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From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: fuck
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:13:37 GMT

In article <i906141@pro-harold.cts.com> dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green) writes:
>In <JMD.92Sep8155151@lion.bear.com> jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
>>
>>Er, Jeff -- It looks like you forgot to log out before
>>going home...
>
>That's what I was wondering... Did Jeff really send that message, or did he
>make the mistake of letting some lowlife use his computer? If so, can said
>lowlife be found and dropped into a vat of molten lava, or something equally
>pleasant?

I like the lava idea.  anyway, I forget what group I saw it in, but the 
sysadmin at portal posted saying that the post was made by seomone other
than Jeff, due to some security problems at Portal.  Nothing specific, though.
<shrug>  ...and so it goes...

cb
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Camping Bare Alert
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:55:54 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu
Summary: beach visit on Sunday
Keywords: San Onofre


The Camping Bares will be visiting San Onofre State Beach on Sunday, Sept. 20
to get some all-over tanning and general buff fun in the sun.  We will be
there from noon until four (although some will arrive sooner and others will
probably stay later).  When I get there (sometime between 11 and 12) I will
plant the Camping Bares flag or a t-shirt with the Camping Bares logo on it.

This is a good chance to get to meet some of the Camping Bares without any
commitment for joining them.  If you need directions send email and I will
provide what I have.  This event is NOT in our newsletter since it was
scheduled after the deadline but we will announce it at our monthly meeting
on Saturday and people on our beaches SIG list are being informed by phone.

Look for us if you are there Sunday and drop by to say hi even if you aren't
interested in joining the Camping Bares.

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From: etmhjvt@acrosby25.ericsson.se (Henk-Jan van Tuyl)
Subject: Re: Curiosity (was Re: how about CO in a computer lab??)
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:09:39 GMT

In article <18qn7jINN1sn@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>What I'd like to know is if women and girls have a similar curiosity
>towards the penis?  

They sure have! I noticed several times at the beach that women,
mostly younger than twenty-five (I guess), were staring at me (yes,
women do it to!). Even this summer, a girl of about eighteen years
old, passed me at a distance of about a meter. She kept staring,
even looking over her shoulder. She was surely not looking at my face;
she didn't notice that I looked at her. 

I suppose women are often as curious about men's bodies as men are
about women's bodies.

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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: "Guide to Nude Recreation"
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:16:52 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>Does anyone know of anyplace in the Boston area that sells the
"Guide to Nude Recreation"?  Or does it have to be mail order?
I heard there was a fairly recent copy out.

Well a few weeks ago while visiting Boston I saw the Nude Guide in a
Harvard Square book store. Sorry I don't remember the name, but are quite a
few book stores around the area.
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From: Berger@cup.portal.com (Mark - Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: fuck
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 23:36:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

How lovely, Jeff
From: stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: World Guide Confusion
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:15:40 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

Query to the Massed Minds of rec.nude:

	On page 20 of the World Guide there is a picture of Deep Creek
Hot Springs.  On page 21 is a picture of a woman jumping what looks
like 10-15 feet into deep water.  The caption reads "How Deep is Deep
Creek?".  Now this looks like a lot of fun, but ranging up and
downstream hundreds of yards from the spring I could not find this
location.  I asked Camping Bare Tom Middleton, and he claims to have
searched for this spot too.  Can anyone provide a clue to would-be
rock jumpers as to where this spot might be?  Or is this just trick
photography?

Any help with this, or info reguarding this delightful Hot Spring will
be greatly appreciated.

Matthew R. Stein            | Disclaimer:
GRASP Laboratory            | Opinions expressed here are the result
University of Pennsylvania  | of random chaotic processes. Any resemblance
Philadelphia, P.A. 19104    | to real thought is purely coincidental.
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From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: Fascinating Breasts Indeed
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:17:12 GMT

In article <18g9g9INNonj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, clj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Cynthia L. Jorden) writes:
> 	When it is really humid, I would like to be able to just go around
> in my shorts like the guys do.  Too bad it's labled indecent exposure.

I notice that you are posting from Ohio.  Believe it or not, in
Ohio, it is NOT labeled indecent exposure (at least, not legally).

Ohio only prohibits exposure of the "private parts" (this is why you
will sometimes see thongs in Ohio--buttocks are not private parts),
and there has been at least one court decision (State of Ohio
v. Parenteau) affirming that breasts are not private parts.

Now that you know it's OK, you'll go around topfree, right?  Actually,
I suspect not, for I know that peer pressure is a very powerful thing;
there are very few people who can overcome their conditioning, or
the fear that someone might (gasp!) actually laugh or point at them.

I know I'd prefer to just wear a thong while in my backyard pulling weeds,
or planting trees, or whatever hot work needs doing this week, yet, . . .
yet somehow I find myself concerned about the neighbors, and it just
doesn't happen.  I know, "what do I care what other people think?",
and while I can say and think that, in real life I discover there
are other controlling forces deep in my gut.

Regards,
Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: jpexg@GAAK.LCS.MIT.EDU (John Purbrick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: The Ledges, etc
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:43:38 GMT

On Friday night, 9-11-92, I hit the road late and headed for the forest
clearing in Conway, Mass which is all that's left of the old railroad 
station there. I pitched a tent and fell asleep to the sound of the Deerfield 
River murmuring down in the valley. In the morning I explored the old railroad
grade along the valley; it's an excellent place to hike if you aren't up for 
a rocky, hilly walk. It was cool when I started out but the day and I warmed up
together, so when I got back at noon I was naked but carrying a stupid
bundle of clothes. Email me if you want details on how to get to Conway 
Station--but plan on some country backroads and a 3-ton-limit bridge with a
deck made of loose boards and with a loooong drop clearly visible between them!

At 1pm a fellow rec.nude reader and I made a successful rendezvous at 
Friendly's in Greenfield and headed up north into Vermont, to The Ledges, 
just south of Wilmington. I'd always arrived from the north before and I
overshot the turning because the "NEPCo picnic area" sign isn't visible from
the south. NEPCo (New England Power Company) is significant here because The 
Ledges is beside a lake that's part of a hydropower plant; I doubt if any 
local, state or federal agency could get away with a nude beach in this area.

On previous trips I'd seen a few gawkers and warned my friend, not that she's
a shy type. (She had never been to a nude beach before, but I had never been 
to a nudist social event until she invited me, so I owed her one.) In fact the
people there didn't seem more than casually interested in looking, except one 
couple who weren't just casually interested in each other--but they stopped 
short of offending rec.nude standards. On the section where we sat down in a 
sunny hollow, there were almost entirely couples in sight; round the corner 
there was a slight male majority but overall it was a fairly even mix. There 
were maybe 60 or 70 people there. No children, but I saw a black man. One 
amusing thing was a cruise boat that came by and some of the passengers 
shouted at the folks on the beach; they got some replies! I grumbled and 
reached for my towel, but my companion said might as well give 'em their 
money's worth.

Someday I may get to The Ledges in summer--so far it's 2 trips in October and 
this one in September. Swimming in October is "invigorating"; this time 
the water was still warm and we had a fine swim and lay in the sun
for a couple of hours but it wasn't warm enough to want to stay late. Others 
were leaving at the same time we did, so we could do some research for the 
BRA SURVEY but we will save the results for a suitable scholarly journal.

A great day; too bad it's probably the last of the year.

John Purbrick
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:02:02 EDT
From: Wish-Bringer  (Steve Shimatzki) <SJS132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Good time had by all.

Hello,

  First, I'm a caver, then a nudest.  Being the type that likes to cave,
I sometimes find myself very near public roads and such after a trip.
We almost always change clothes (from wet/muddy to dry) unless we are
going to another cave.  For this reason, I've become very comfortable with
changing nude infront of strangers, guests, and cars passing by on the
highway.  I nether thought of myself as a nudist though.

Now, 2 years since This group originally got me to try and go without
underwear, and I feel so much better not wearing any!  But, I must
mark another great occation!

I went to OTR (Old Timers Reunion) over labor day weekend.  This is basically
a Big cavers PARTY, with Auction, beer, games, cavetrip, and such.  But one
night after I took a shower, I found out they had Co-Ed Showers there also!
I also found out they had WET and Dry Saunas Set up down in a Nudist area.
Very nicely done, no cameras, no entrance.. unless you were going to
participate also.  They also Damned up an area of the stream there to make
a nice nude swimming hole.  After spending much time in the saunas and
the stream, I was hooked.  Next Year my SO is coming with me, she liked
the ideal of all the fun we had.

   -Steve

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| Steven Shimatzki-| InterNet : SJS132@PSUVM.PSU.EDU    | I'm Batty for Bats  |
| Rd# 1 Box 20-A   |   -or-   : SJS132@FERT1.FE.PSU.EDU +---------------------+
| Dunbar, Pa 15431 |   NYX   : SSHIMATZ@NYX.CS.DU.EDU   | NSS: 36241          |
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ps.. I never did get to use the Co-Ed Showers, The water was VERY Cold, and
the stream just felt so much better... But without the soap.  :)
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From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: Coed Bathrooms
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:43:47 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1992Sep10.100136.24948@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.175536.10163@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>>You're right about urinals.  We can't have coed bathrooms without 
>>coed fixtures.
>
>[ ... ]                                    When I lived in the university
>residence at UBC some years ago, many of the bathrooms were (unofficially)
>coed.  On a women's floors, the urinals were not used (the buildings were
>originally men-only), but on the men's floors they were used as usual
>even though the urinals were in full view between the toilets and the
>door, but after the first time or two that a woman walked by while a
>guy was using a urinal the guy got used to it.  And so did the women.
>No problem.  Some of the women would say "hi" as they went by.  The guys
>would respond.  They showers were used by both genders.  They were stalls
>with a door and a curtain.  

I lived in a co-ed fraternity at Brown (Psi U.), and the bathrooms were
exactly like this -- women used the stalls, men used both the urinal or the
stalls. Worked just fine. --Erik

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From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Keywords: bathrooms
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:14:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Sep12.011407.12539
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Sep10.174444.11518@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
>with urinals. Ha, Ha,
>
>As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
>useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
>a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?
>
>Karen Biesel

Do urinals use less water that toilets?  I would think so.  If that is the
case, that alone provides justification even if only men can use them.

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.sex
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: BRA SURVEY
Organization: TFS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:14:31 GMT

tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>
>	DUE TO CENSORSHIP OF THE ALT.SEX GROUP

That alt.sex is censored, unless it's a legal requirement (what 1st amendment?
my 2-month old child might see it.), is about like appointing James Watt
as Secretary of the Interior.

I hope people who responded were amused. I was.

You spent a lot of attention of fastening methods, spatial orientation, etc.
which goes over *my* head what it matters. I'd be interested to know what
material is preferred, and just what women think of bras anyway.

When I was 14, I'd been wearing tight Levis for a while. My underwear would
always roll up and I'd have to suck in my stomach and dive my hand in to
straighten it out. One day I got fed up with it and said, this thing (underwear)
is a bother. So I put on my pants without them. It worked fine. I thought,
what would people think? And said, well, nobody can tell, so who cares.

I sat on the bed and thought about it for a while. I said, here was this thing
I've been doing all my life, and I changed it. It never occured to me to think
I could do it any other way. I just did it because. And the implications came
rushing in . . .

freeeeeeeedom of choice!
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:48:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

If it weren't for urinals the women wouldn't have any facilities to
use during a concert.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: sday@lacerta.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)
Subject: Re: Fascinating Breasts (was Re: BRA SURVEY)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 16:03:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <lb27u1INNfcn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>In article <1685F8039.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>	I've seen obese men who have breasts, should they be forced to cover
>themselves?  If a man takes hormones that cause breast tissue growth --
>it even happens to some weightlifters taking male hormones, are they,
>or should they be forced to cover themselves?  

Just to carry this comparison a bit further...  I've seen petite and/or
athletic women whose breasts are no larger (and perhaps smaller!) than
many males.  Yet society will still mandate that these women should not
expose their breasts, while their male counterparts do not feel these
constrictions.

Go figure...

>-wat-

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From: sday@hydra.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:37:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Reply-To: sday@ariel.unm.edu

In article <5040010@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, danm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Dan Merget) writes:
> As to the rationale behind the urinals, let's look at a few items:
> 
>   - Based on some quick measurements in a public men's room down the
>     hall, a toilet stall is about 2.5 feet by 4.5 feet.  (The handicap
>     toilet stall is significantly larger, but that's not important for
>     now.)  Each urinal takes up about 1.5 feet by 2.5 feet.  Thus, a
>     toilet takes up about as much space as 3 urinals.
> 
>   - I go to a restroom to urinate about 2 or 3 times more often than I
>     go in to deficate.  For the sake of argument, let's say that the
>     average male needs to use the restroom only for urination about 70%
>     of the time.  This means that about 35% of the people who go into a
>     coed restroom want to head straight for a urinal.
> 
>   - Thus, in the same floor space as 7 toilets, we could fit 6 toilets
>     and 3 urinals.  33% of the fixtures would be urinals, so the
>     restroom could reasonably service 9 people at a time instead of 7.
>     The throughput would be shorter and fully 50% of the population
>     would find it easier to use.
> 
> This was all done by the seat of my pants (so to speak), so I wouldn't
> be surprised if there are gaping holes in my argument.  If you disagree
> with my premises or my calculations, please respond.

Hey, Dan!...  I think you just solved the mystery why the line to the
women's restroom is always so long!  Congratulations for your
'extra-urinary' perception!  ;-)      

Sorry... couldn't resist!   ;-]   ;-]

> ____________________________________________________________________________
>  Dan Merget      |  This note does not necessarily represent the viewpoints
>  danm@sr.HP.COM  |  of my employers, my co-workers, or my computer.

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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Coed Bathrooms
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<1992Sep9.175536.10163@unislc.uucp>
	<1992Sep10.100136.24948@unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:19:08

In an earlier article, arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
   Karen Biesel writes:
   >You're right about urinals.  We can't have coed bathrooms without 
   >coed fixtures.

   Why not?  What's wrong with urinals?  For one thing, they are a *lot* more
   convenient for men.  For another, they help to keep the toilets clean.
   (As somebody else commented, some men don't have very good aim.  Yuck.)

   [anecdote about coed bathrooms deleted]

While I was at Reed, most of the dorms had coed bathrooms.  One, Chittick,
had a urinal with two of the little eight-inch stall-wall type wings 
(is there a word for these?), right next to the row of sinks.  Kind of 
disconcerting, to wander in half-asleep and start pissing, only then
to realize you're rubbing elbows with someone else who's half-asleep and
breeshing their tuth. [*]

The dorm where I officially lived Freshman year, Foster, was one of the few
segregated dorms: separated by floor.  It wasn't *too* uncommon to find people
mixing bathroom gender, by the end of the semester.  (The dorm where I 
actually lived, in a triple with my SO and two other women, ... ah, but
that's a different story.)

Karen also spake:
   >Of course, we could always design a stand-up contraption for women.  But
   >then we'd have to put the fly between the legs, instead of in front of the 
   >penis.  It could look something like a funnel, and fit between a female's
   >legs.  8-)

I saw a device like this in a camping catalog: called the `feminine urinary
director' or something, it was touted as the greatest thing since [your
favorite great thing here] for those times when you wished you too could
write your name in the snow :-).  It consisted of a little funnel thing you'd
hold in place, and pee into -- there was a little spout, and the stream would
go forward into the nearest target.  I never saw the actual device, only the 
chintzy halftone photo in the catalog.

I thought it was a terrific idea -- having gone camping with women before --
and showed the ad to several friends.  Strangely enough, most of the men 
thought it seemed like a good idea, but the female reaction was a
unanimous *YUCK*!  Usually accompanied by an ugly face.  

--
zowie@banneker.stanford.edu  "Tell your senator to fund the MSSTA program!"

 The world would be much better if more physicists read Strunk and White, 
 and if more fuzzies read Tipler.   *Everyone* should read and understand
 at least one economics text.  No exceptions.       -- zowie
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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Swimsuit-optional hours at the Caltech pool?
Organization: TFS
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:48:02 GMT

Living according to the presumed rules of others.

I agree, it's one of the central reasons there is a status quo.

"Don't look at me, I didn't make the rules."

"Yeah? I didn't either."

So who did?

Who makes the rules? YOU do. Stand up and be counted.
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Subject: test
From: susan@netlink.cts.com (Susan Atrix)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:42:59 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Help! Every time I post to this group I never see the result...
does anyone out there here me?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Paddles, Pull-bouys, Fins and Gloves
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:42:23 GMT

fog@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Larry Fogelquist) writes:

>Regarding the importance of the kick:

>I feel compelled to point out that Ernie Maglisco in his book 
>'Swimming Faster' doesn't seem impressed with the propulsive
>input of the kick.  If I'm interpreting the text correctly, it
>seems that he believes that the kick is primarily important in 
>counter balancing the stroke and keeping a proper body orientation
>in the water.  He, of course, agrees that the kick is important
>in the sprint and the last bit of a distance race.

	I'll be reading this book sometime in the next month or
two so I'll comment on it later.
						Peder

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