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From: pteich@cayman.amd.com (Paul Teich)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: PUC: Caller ID illegal
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:59:41 GMT
Reply-To: pteich@cayman.amd.com (Paul Teich)
Followup-To: tx.politics
Distribution: austin
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov17.235214.815@oakhill.sps.mot.com> brucel@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:
| Currently, you can control who makes calls to your number.  Only those people
| whom you give your number to can call you.  I agree that the computerized 
| calling machines violate this but in general all calls to your number 
| started with you giving out your number.
| 
| With caller id, you do not control giving out the number.
| Therefore, the default will be that you give out your
| number.  Businesses will then compile lists of phone numbers and sell this 
| information.  Other businesses (or the original business) will then call you
| to sell you more stuff (or ask for contributions, etc.)  You have lost control
| over your phone.  Your privacy has been invaded.
| 
| I believe that the making of these phone list is the major reason behind 
| caller id.

Unless you have an unlisted number, the phone company is just the first of a
long series of entities selling your phone number.  You already have no control,
and I seem to recall hearing that the RBOCs already offer a service which gives
the receiving end your number - credit card companies use it to call up your
records while their service representative greets you (could someone confirm or
deny this?).

Caller ID should be capable of easily being disabled on a per-call basis.  But
even those with unlisted numbers will have to give their number out
occasionally to get their call answered.  (The solution to this is to hook
everyone up to email, which is asynchronous and not bothersome at all.
I don't see anyone here overly concerned about the privacy of their email
address. ;v)

Seriously, if I can block incoming calls with Caller ID, why do I care who has
my number?  I'd rather know their number; I think that their invasion of _my_
privacy is the most important issue in the Caller ID debate.
--
Paul Teich	pteich@cayman.amd.com

* I speak for myself only *
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From: byab305@chpc.utexas.edu (Steve Poole)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Romantic places (correction)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:12:22 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: UT Center for Space Research, Austin TX


I noticed I hadn't updated my .signature file.  One of the
e-mail addresses was out of date.  I have now updated it, and
the updated version appears below.

-- 
Steve Poole  
Center For Space Research
University of Texas at Austin
byab305@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu  or  poole@kate.ae.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: Jim_Holt@aprdlgtr.sps.mot.com (Jim Holt)
Subject: Need a Hall for a party
Followup-To: austin.general
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:01:39 GMT

Hi :

A group of friends are trying to have a Holiday bash.  We need to find a
reasonably priced hall to rent.  Want to have a live badn and about 200
people.  Any suggestions ?  Good/Bad experiences ?

-jh

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|   Jim Holt                                                              |
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Newsgroups: austin.general
From: dave@krakatoa.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: homeless on street corners
Keywords: help out
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:50:10 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: none


	Not exactly related to homeless, but a way to help those
	who may need a little help:

	Thursday's (11/19) Austin American Statesman Neighborhood
	section had an article about community centers, specifically
	the Clarksville	Community Center (CCC), accepting/needing food 
	donations for Thanksgiving.	

	The article basically said they need food donations.

	I called CCC and they can take perishables and of course
	non-perishables. They on 11th St. 476-7877.

	If you want help there are various neighborhood centers listed
	on page 5 of the blue pages in the phone book under Human
	Services/Neighborhood Centers. Also, last year the HOBO 
	(Helping Our Brothers Out) organization was accepting food;
	I'm sure they're doing it again this year. 
	
	With turkeys going so cheap these days (HEB .29/lbs w/ $25
	purchase else .69/lbs - competitors probably comparable),
	it wouldn't take much to help out.


---------
dave - i speak not with the tongue of IBM

	
	
	


-- 
Thanks,
	dave
 _____________________________________________________________________________
  Dave Baukus			Inet	:	dave@voyager.austin.ibm.com
From: slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: some facts for robert (was Re: accepting risk)
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:39:30 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <928@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>
>I'll start researching this. my guess? airplanes are safest, motorcycles
>next, and cars dead last. care to make a bet?
>
Actually, if memory serves me well, I believe that helicopters were the
safest form of transportation.  I read about them many years (6) ago when
I was commuting to work via helicopter (on an oil rig).  Sure there are a 
fair number of crashes, but with all the rich shieks, news/police copters,
there are around 1 million flights per day!

I'll vote for bikes over cars, though.  Most motorcyclists I know (myself
included) take great pains to ensure that their bike is in top condition 
with good brakes, tires, etc.  How many car owners care?  All of them?


-- 
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From: chrisb@natinst.com (Chris Bartz)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: PUC: Caller ID illegal
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:46:36 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <83843@ut-emx.uucp> slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged) writes:
>In article <83759@ut-emx.uucp> shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Srihari Shoroff) writes:
>..... but I frequently get calls in the 
>middle of the night where they hang up as soon as I pick up the phone.  These
>types of calls would stop rather instantly if caller ID were avaible to me.

I wouldn't count on it.  If its someone who is trying to annoy you
specifically they will just do it from a pay phone.

>
>Simple solution:
>
>DO NOT CALL ANYONE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER!
>

This sounds real nice but.... If I call a store to check on the price
of something I don't want to start getting junk mail from that store.

>I would like to see caller ID legal.  If you want the option to turn it off, 
>then give me the option of having my phone AUTOMATICALLY REFUSE any call from
>a "blocked" caller ID.  If you do not want to tell me who you are, then I do 
>NOT want to talk to you.  You should have nothing to hide from me.

This is exactly the latest proposals I've heard.  Per-call blocking and
a blocked call rejection system that doesn't ring your phone when caller
ID is blocked.  This sounds like it would answer your objections and the
objections of people who want to block caller ID.

Incidentally, I have lots of stuff to hide from you.  My phone number is
NOT one of them but many people don't want to give out their phone number.


>But I do not want to talk to anyone who wishes to hide their identity from me!
>I would like to block "anonymous" calls.  It is my right as well!
                                                    ^^^^^

Getting the phone company to provide the service you want is NOT a right.
If you don't like the service your getting you can complain or even
refuse to do business with them but you do NOT have the right to get
the service you want.  Having said that I agree that if they have caller
ID then they should have per-call blocking.  And if they have blocking
then they should have blocked call rejection.

-- 
-chris bartz (chrisb@natinst.com)
From: slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: SWBT "Two-inch lady" in Austin? (your number back...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:26:21 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <PETONIC.92Nov13113649@daisy.hal.com> petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
>Say a guy comes to a party with "bad intentions" on his mind (i.e.,
>casing the joint with plans to rob it later).  He uses the phone, dials
>the repeat number and saves it for later use.  Then, at his leisure, he
>can call the phone number to check whether or not the occupants are at
>home.
>
No flame intended here, but the above scenerio is fairly pathetic.  If a guy
comes to a party, then there are high chances that he knows, or can easily 
find out the name of the host.  The he merely has to look up the number in the
phone book.  It is about as easy.

The number is 830 to dial to get your own phone number.  It is a general
knowledge number- many people I know already knew this "feature".


-- 
slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                             *****  Glen A. Graham  *****
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 Because fools are so ingenious!   |    to burn out than to fade away!" - Kurgen
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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes:
...
> However, here are my supporting data (from "Statistical Abstracts
> Of The United States", avail your local lib):
> 
> Table 1035, page 609: "Motor-Vehicle Registrations, 1980 to 1989, ..."
> Registration (1989):
> Cars (incl. taxis)	144,375,000
> Motorcycles		  4,376,000
> 
> Table 1042, "Motor Vehicle Accidents-Numbers and Deaths: 1970 to 1989"
> Motor vehicle accidents (1989):
> Cars			 15,300,000
> Motorcycles		    211,000
> 
> Table 1044, "Fatal Motor Vehicle Accidents, by Type of Vehicle: 1980 to 1988"
> Occupant fatalities (1987):
> Passenger cars		     25,132
> Motorcyles		      3,834

Well, lessee...am not sure exactly what "Table 1042" is counting, so let's
work out the fatality (table 1044) / registration (table 1035) figures:

Cars:        25,132 / 144,375,000 = 0.00017407...
Motorcycles:  3,834 /   4,376,000 = 0.00087614...

So, purely from statistics, it looks like motorcycle riders are 5 times more
likely to die on the road than automobile drivers (A purist might argue that
using registration figures from 1980 to 1989 and fatality figures from 1980
to 1988 (or 1987) is cheating, but I have a feeling that the 5:1 ratio would
be more or less the same if equal intervals were used).

Craig
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From: wjc@dss1.austin.ibm.com (Bill Collum         (8-2551))
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: out o' state plates
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:17:26 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: CTI, Austin

In article <JAMESM.92Nov18120618@lunch.austin.ibm.com> jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>Can anyone concur with my casual observation that the most commonly seen out
>of state license plate here in Austin is from Florida?
I bet it's all them "Beamers" transfering from IBM's Boca Raton &
Tampa sites.
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: PUC: Caller ID illegal
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1992Nov17.213417.689@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
|> 
|> dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
|> ...
|> > 	long distance, they couldn't trace it. They said the movies over does
|>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> > 	what a trace can do and the police/FBI aren't about to contradict it.
|>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> This is, of course, complete and utter bullshit, as anyone who's ever read
|> _The Cuckoo's Egg_ will tell you. I suspect they were attempting to tell you
|> that it wasn't worth their time to follow up on it. Depending on whether it
|> was the police or the phone company who told you this, it sounds like a fine
|> example of either Your Tax Dollars At Work or that good ol' phone company
|> customer service.
|> 
|> Craig
	Isn't this what I said? I didn't believe him, but the hassle calls
	stopped, so I dropped it. I encourage you to find out for sure and
	post the results here. The number at the phone company to follow
	up on this is 870-5512
---
Dewey Coffman		ibmpa!vpdbox.austin.ibm.com!dewey%ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com
Consulting @ IBM			dewey@ctci.com
11400 Burnet Rd				All opinions are mine.
Austin, TX 78758-3493, USA		(512) 823-6463
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	"I do hope that you rot in Hell"   -The Christian JFH II
Newsgroups: austin.music
From: plusrich@wixer.cactus.org (+Rich)
Subject: -Shawn Colvin
Organization: Center for Weird Studies
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:58:07 GMT

Shawn Colvin will be appearing (& hopefully performing) at the Texas
Union Ballroom on Saturday, December 5th.

General Admission tickets are $13, available through UTTM (477-6060).
(more with the convenience charge)

The show begins at 8pm, Doors open at 7:15pm.
-- 
Richard Everett -- plusrich@wixer.cactus.org -- Austin, TX
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The shortest distance between two points is a great circle.
Newsgroups: austin.music
From: cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka)
Subject: Re: Seeking Musicians
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: austin
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:14:12 GMT

In article <83478@ut-emx.uucp> rcole@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Richard W. Cole) writes:
[ Edited ]
>similars to do some volunteer caroling, yes, around Christmas time.  

Lets organize a USENET caroling chorus!
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os9@gnu.ai.mit.edu        Hangs out on 145.21mhz       400 W. 34th st. #103
membership@cactus.org                                 Austin, TX 78705-1331
{...}!cs.utexas!cactus.org!cheselka (512)452-9412v ( 24hours answer. mach.)
From: jazz@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jason Moras)
Newsgroups: austin.music
Subject: any David Garza fans?
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:07:05 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

well just thought id ask..if you are write me a letter.

also any Spin fans? if so last show is at main bar in dallas dec 31 !


Newsgroups: austin.test
From: scott@amdcl2.uucp (Scott McMahon)
Subject: Just testing.
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, TX.
Distribution: austin
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:57:08 GMT


Checking the feed.

-Scott
-- 
Je deviens fou, donc je suis.
Newsgroups: austin.test
From: tienn@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Tien Nguyen)
Subject: test
Reply-To: tienn@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:01:06 GMT

this is a test.
From: ortiz@austin.lockheed.com (Joe Ortiz)
Newsgroups: austin.test
Subject: test
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:03:41 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: "Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744"

TEST

-- 
ortiz@austin.lockheed.com
From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Re: harlem schools, and why clinton won't help
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:34:20 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

In article <5888@tivoli.UUCP> bjv@shasta.tivoli.com (Brian Vetter) writes:

>The only question is how or if Clinton will
>encourage public school systems to provide more choices.

Not provide more choices
provide CHOICE
that's completely different

I predict Clinton will do nothing in this area

we'll see.

If you read the Harlem article I hope you'll agree that it can work
in Austin too, and we should start pushing for it.


-- 
curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt L. Finch) | AIX NFS/NIS Field Quality 
My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
     Lead_or_Leave's objective is to get all Congressmen to sign a pledge 
  that if the Deficit has not halved by their term's end, they'll step down.
From: moller@austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Re: We need Term Limits
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: moller@austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: As little as I can get away with.

In article <1992Nov16.152957.15643@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.155931.13311@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
> |> 
> |> >	Con: The decision should be left to the people
> |> 
> |> for the president too then?
> 
> 	I thought the main reason for the Term Limit on the President
> 	was because it was such a BIG job, that most men age about 10
> 	years per term, that and the idea that they lose effectiveness
> 	after two terms due to being too close the problems they deal
> 	with daily.
> 
> 	-dewey

The main reason that presidential term limits exist is that it seemed to
be the only way to to get Franklin Roosevelt out of office.  He was the
presidential equivalent of the Energizer rabbit:  he just kept running
and running...

-- 
IBM pays absolutely no attention to my	|   "The genius of you Americans is
opinions, ergo the foregoing cannot	|   that you never make clear-cut 
possibly represent its position.	|   stupid moves, only complicated
					|   stupid moves which make us wonder
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					|   something to them which we are
					|   missing."
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From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Re: We need Term Limits
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1992Nov10.155931.13311@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
|> 
|> >	Con: The decision should be left to the people
|> 
|> for the president too then?

	I thought the main reason for the Term Limit on the President
	was because it was such a BIG job, that most men age about 10
	years per term, that and the idea that they lose effectiveness
	after two terms due to being too close the problems they deal
	with daily.

	-dewey
Newsgroups: austin.politics,tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: Citizens against Government Waste
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.004703.2518@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.aust
> 
> >No matter how you stack it, some Congresspeople will be more powerful than
> >others.  
> 
> Perhaps but term limits would make them only twice as powerful, instead
> of 10 times more powerful as they are now.
 
The chairman of a powerful committee or Speaker of the House will always
be ten times more powerful than other members.  If I have five years in
the house and you have four and I become chairman of the Budget committee,
I have infinitely more power than you do, even though there is little
difference in seniority.
 
> What is a seniority system if not a system based on length of service?
> Length of service would be much more equal and fairly distributed under
> Term Limits.  I guess I must not know the definition of "Seniority".
> Enlighten me.
 
It's not a linear progression.  Someone with 10% more seniority is not
just 10% more powerful.  They could be just as powerful or (if they are in
charge of a committee) they could be 10X more powerful.
 
You're right in that this may spread the pork around more.  West Virginia
will stop getting billions of dollars worth of pork.  But that doesn't
mean the total "pork bill" will decrease.
 
> But it's ok to limit the (usually Republican,) President's terms
> right?  Isn't that a little hypocritical?
 
Have you ever heard me say that?  I think the limit on Presidental terms 
should be done away with as well.  I suspect a lot of people would have
rather had Reagan in for another 4 years if Bush and Dukakis were the
alternatives.
 
> It all depends on which party fields the best and brightest new
> candidates doesn't it?  If the Democrats can do that then more power to
> them, (literally.)
 
That's the whole point isn't it.  Why not let the voters decide each
election who the "best and brightest" are instead of passing some blanket
rule about who can and cannot be elected.  If the people really want to
make it work, they can vote for the right people.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
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