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From: CIGAS@RCKHRST1.BITNET ("I. LOVTUSKI")
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: multiple implementations
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:28:54 GMT
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Does anyone know of any good techniques for managing multiple implementation
modules?  A trivial example is for a Stack to have an array implementation
and a linked list implementation.   How do you name your files and how do
you specify which to use when rebuilding the program?  I'm looking for
a technique that will scale up to allow several modules each with several
implementations in the same program, with miminal programmer interaction,
other than specifying which implementation to use.  Ideally this should work
with some kind of 'make' program, so that the minimum amount of work is done
to rebuild a program.

This has caused me some mild fits, and I'm curious how other people handle
the situation.

John Cigas
Rockhurst College
cigas@rckhrst1.bitnet
From: Benoit.St-jean@f159.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Benoit St-jean)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: MODULA USAGE IN CS1?
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:32:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.9294.2ADF2551
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/159 - XON/XOFF Informatio, Montreal QC

DRJR>Among the 253 schools that have responded to our survey, the
DRJR>following have indicated they are using

DRJR>Modula2

DRJR>in their CS1 course.

DRJR>Do you know of any additions or corrections?

DRJR>--- QM v1.30/b
DRJR> * Origin: Bink of an Aye - Portland, OR US - Randy Bush (1:105/42.0)

  Modula-2 is also used as THE programming languages in CS1 courses at
  UQAM. (Universit du Qubec  Montral).

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From: garlock@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (erin jon garlock)
Subject: Passing Strange Parameters...help
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:35:14 GMT

Is it possible to pass parts of a record as parameters?
example%
{
Sample = RECORD of
	Test: ARRAY(0..10) of CARDINAL
	Quote: ARRAY(0..150) of CHAR

BEGIN
. 
. 
CutQuote(Sample.Quote);
. 
. 

Procedure CutQuote(VAR text:ARRAY of CHAR);
}
I this actually possible??
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From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon)
ReplyTo: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: multiple implementations
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:44:50 +0000

> Nah, you can do it with straight Modula-2 and a bit of indirection.  I
> wrote an IBM technical report on this but I don't know if they are
> available externally.

So you can but was this the question?

> DEFINITION MODULE Stack;
> TYPE
>   T (*Opaque*);
> PROCEDURE Push (stack: T;
>                 item: CARDINAL);
> PROCEDURE Pop (stack: T): CARDINAL;
> END Stack;

That is dangerous. Push(thing); would be ok and hides whatever is going on in 
the stack module.

Is the bottom line a need for OOP? Throw something at the stack and let it 
sort it out but runtime or compiletime?

You have shown a runtime solution, now show a compiletime solution. :-)

  TC. 
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From: rwoo@GUCIS.CIT.GU.EDU.AU (Raymond Woo)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:36:47 GMT
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In comp.lang.modula2 you write:

>thanks to Randy Bush for making FST 3.0 available via anonymous ftp

>but its a .lzh format file
>i don't seem to have any ms-dos utilities that can uncompress this for me
>and unix uncompress complains too
>where can i find a tool to deal this that file

The utility U mentioned is LHA (by Haruyasu Yoshizaki). If you have ftp
access, you can look up any good archive.

Meanwhile, could you mail me with that ftp address?
Thanks!

********************************************************************************
Raymond Woo
rwoo@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
Griffith University
Australia
********************************************************************************
From: chip@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS and LZEXE
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:10:14 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> Shouldn't be... have you tried PKLite?  I've used that on
> compiled FST programs a number of times without a hitch.

No, I haven't tried PKLITE.  I was just curious if I was the only one with
a problem in using LZEXE.

Thanks ... Mark Klaamas
From: Benoit.St-jean@f159.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Benoit St-jean)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: FST 3.0
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:09:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.9292.2ADF254F
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/159 - XON/XOFF Informatio, Montreal QC

I would like to know where I can find the FST 3.0 Modula-2 compiler...
Any BBS number?  Is it shareware?  What price, etc.  Any information
about this compiler would be appreciated...

Also, where can I find Oberon-related programs, documentation,
compilers, etc.  Finally, do you know any BBS related to Modula-2 or
Oberon?  Is there any place I can find Modula-2 librairies?  Any
information about Modula-2 is welcome...  I just ***LOVE*** this
programming language!


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From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush)
Subject: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:04:30 GMT

Thanks to Roger Carvalho, FST 3.0 is available

   ftp.psg.com:~/pub/modula-2/pc/fst30.lzh

   1:105/6 FST30.LZH

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From: andrea@ESSEX.STFX.CA (John Andrea)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: RE: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:14:52 GMT
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thanks to Randy Bush for making FST 3.0 available via anonymous ftp

but its a .lzh format file
i don't seem to have any ms-dos utilities that can uncompress this for me
and unix uncompress complains too
where can i find a tool to deal this that file


thanks
John Andrea
andrea@essex.stfx.ca
From: Benoit.St-jean@f159.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Benoit St-jean)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: FST 3.0
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:35:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.9295.2ADF2552
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/159 - XON/XOFF Informatio, Montreal QC

Where can I find the FST 3.0 Modula-2 compiler???  Any BBS number near
Montreal?  I **WANT** this stuff!


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From: John.Mcmonagle@f590.n139.z1.fidonet.org (John Mcmonagle)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula-2 & Windows
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 08:27:58 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:139/590 - PMI BBS, Green Bay WI

 s> Can anybody tell me if it is possible to write Windows programmes with
 s> modula-2? And if so, how to go about doing so?

 I can not help much with details but StonyBrook, Logitech 4.0(now symantech)
 and JPI( now clarion) all have windows programing support.  

 Logitech probably has the best windows support at the moment.

John McMonagle

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From: ci567@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott M. Kriefall)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS and LZEXE
Date: 12 Oct 1992 06:42:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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> Is there any reason why the shareware version of FST M2 
> wouldn't let me use an EXE compressor on my compiled code?
 
Shouldn't be... have you tried PKLite?  I've used that on
compiled FST programs a number of times without a hitch.
 
Scott
From: maceachern@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula 2
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: Modula2 List <INFO-M2%UCF1VM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
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 We at St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada have been
 using Modula-2 in our Introductory Computer Course for several years.
From: Narti.Kitiyakara@f1.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Narti Kitiyakara)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula-2 in french
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 11:01:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/1 - The Southern Star, New Orleans LA

 -=> Quoting Yves Auger to All <=-

 YA> I am looking for a Modula-2 compiler well fit for teaching 
 YA> computer science at high school level. I need something 
 YA> with documentation in french langage if possible ;-) . All 
 YA> suggestions are welcome.

     Logitech has a European agent for their Modula-2 compiler,
 so they might (possibly) have French documentation available, but
 I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.  I can ask them, if you
 like.
 
     The compiler itself is fairly good.  There are a few bugs, but 
 they're good about acknowledging them and I'd expect them to be 
 fixed in the next release.  (Most of them are fairly obscure in 
 any event, I just have a knack for finding them.)  I couldn't
 comment on its sutability as a teaching tool.

                                        - Narti


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From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon)
ReplyTo: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Modula-2 & Windows
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:59:37 +0000

> modula-2? And if so, how to go about doing so?
> 
One solution is to use TopSpeed V3 plus the full 'professional' package. The 
SDK toolkit is probably needed as well and that must be obtained separately.

A working W3 demo is included with the full kit.

  TC. 
    E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: randy@PSG.COM ("", Randy Bush)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: Modula2 List <INFO-M2%UCF1VM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: The Internet

> where can i find a tool to deal this that file

Same host as you got the .LZH file.  Look for ~pub/LHA.EXE.

randy
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: Oberon parameter passing
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.084755.8205@lhn.gns.cri.nz>, mdlcpgs@lhn.gns.cri.nz (Phil Scadden) writes:

>Returning to your example, I dont see a problem with  
>         PROCEDURE PrintString(VAR s : ARRAY OF CHAR);
>         BEGIN
>            (* print string here *)
>         END PrintString.

I see a big problem with it, it refuses to accept PrintString("foo") unless
your compiler is willing to break type-checking the way you suggest.  It is
furthermore non-portable, except to other Oberon compilers that implement
similar C semantics.

No matter how you cut it, "foo" is a constant and should not be passed to a
VAR parameter - even if it does have some internal address.  The correct way
to implement this semantic is to always pass aggregate types as pointers and
to emit code at the begining of each routine to branch to the end, where
the compiler will be after noticing what parameters that were modified during
the compilation.  These parameters can be copied onto the stack and the
argument pointer adjusted, and the routine started with a backwards jump to
the real begining of the routine.  This allows one-pass compilation, removes
the necessity for aggregate copies where such copies are not needed to enforce
standard semantics.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
How about we all do something reasonable?  I bet that'll confuse 'em!
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2,comp.compilers
From: terry@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Terry J. Klarich)
Subject: The ModulaTor news letter is now accessable via anonymous ftp
Reply-To: terry@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Terry J. Klarich)
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:50:26 GMT
Keywords: modula

The ModulaTor news letter can now be obtained via anonymous ftp from
unx.ucc.okstate.edu (139.78.1.1).  Files are in the ModulaTor directory.
THese files will have the form MDLT#.abstract and MDLT#.ps.Z.  The #
represents the issue number.  Files ending in .abstract contain a short
list of the articles in each issue.  The files ending in .ps.Z are
compressed postscript files.  A file named index will contain all the
abstracts of any available issues.

Past issues will be kept on disk as long as disk space permits.  If it
becomes necessary to remove an issue, I will make it available via email
or other means.  

Any questions, comments, problems or suggestions concerning ftp access to
the ModulaTor news letter should be emailed to Terry@unx.ucc.okstate.edu.

Thanks to Guinter Dotzel for making this possible.  And, Here is the
README file he sent me.  This can be obtained as ModulaTor/README as well.

Terry Klarich

                                "The ModulaTor"
        (-: Erlangen's First Independent Modula-2 & Oberon-2 Journal :-)

 
     IMPRESSUM: The ModulaTor is published monthly. Annual subscription
rate: no charge for ModulaWare's Modula-2 Licensees with annual software
support;

     Hardcopy: all others DM 60.-for Europe and US$ 40.-elsewhere,
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subscribe for 12 months, transfer DM 60.- to our bank account Nr.
111539-854 at Postgiroamt Nuernberg (BLZ 760 10085). Electronic version:
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ModulaWare). The files are uploaded also into CompuServe's CodePort forum,
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From: William.Burrow@p202.f3.n255.z1.fidonet.org (William Burrow)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula Usage in CS1?
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:23:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.8702.2ADCD37F
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/3.202 - Northern Connection, Fredericton NB


 * On Oct 08 09:23 Dr Richard J. Reid quoth this to All

 DRJR> From: reid@ss6.cps.msu.edu (Dr Richard J. Reid)
 DRJR> Date: 8 Oct 92 13:54:15 GMT
 DRJR> Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State 
 DRJR> University Message-ID: 
 DRJR> <1992Oct8.135415.20196@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Newsgroups: 
 DRJR> comp.lang.modula2,comp.lang.modula3


 DRJR> Among the 253 schools that have responded to our survey, the
 DRJR> following have indicated they are using Modula2 in their CS1 course.

 DRJR> Do you know of any additions or corrections?

University of New Brunswick.

They also teach Fortran in different sections of the same course, but the Modula-2 based courses seem to be oriented towards the CS students (ie Mod-2 is now their language of choice for later courses as well.)

Will.

 

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From: Narti.Kitiyakara@f1.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Narti Kitiyakara)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula-2 in french
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.7200.2AD5FF11
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/1 - The Southern Star, New Orleans LA


 -=> Quoting Yves Auger to All <=-

 YA> I am looking for a Modula-2 compiler well fit for teaching 
 YA> computer science at high school level. I need something 
 YA> with documentation in french langage if possible ;-) . All 
 YA> suggestions are welcome.

     The Multiscope people say that version 3 of their compiler
had French documentation, but the new version doesn't.  It's not
ruled out in the future, however.

                                        - Narti
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From: VACSC09L@VAX.CSUN.EDU ("", MARTY)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: RE: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:34:46 GMT
Reply-To: Modula2 List <INFO-M2%UCF1VM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: The Internet

i believe to c
decompress an .lzh file you need either a program called LHARC or LHA213...
they ought to be widely available although i do not know of a specific
ftp sigth to get one at.  if really necessary I can mail LHA213 to you.
From: ci123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (T. Kurt Bond)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: Exceptions (Was: Why 3 button mice in Oberon?)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 18:22:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ci123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (T. Kurt Bond)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) says:

[...]
>Even so, if it were possible to get the effect I have in mind
>_within_ the language, I'd agree with you, but you can't.  Even if you call
>a handler, it still going to return_to_the_function_that_detected_the_problem.
>It cannot abort processing and roll the stack back to a known state, as an
>exception can. 

In some languages an exception function need *not* return to the function 
that detected the problem, and *can* roll the stack back to a known state.  
(For example, Scheme can do this with call-with-current-continuation.)

>               If your file reader called a handler at EOF, that handler can
>set booleans, close the file, do whatever, but it must still return to a
>routine that _must_ return some sort of result.  

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From: ricki@MOZART.INFORMATIK.RWTH-AACHEN.DE ("", Richard Breuer)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:50:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: rwthi3.9210140750.AA19899
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Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Could you please tell me numeric address of ftp.msg.com? I get no
connection using 147.28.0.33 and 192.83.230.1.

Thanks,
	Ricki
From: ci567@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott M. Kriefall)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: Passing Strange Parameters...help
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:03:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


> Sample = RECORD of
>         Test: ARRAY(0..10) of CARDINAL
>         Quote: ARRAY(0..150) of CHAR
> 
> CutQuote(Sample.Quote);
> 
> Procedure CutQuote(VAR text:ARRAY of CHAR);
> 
> I this actually possible??

Sure it's possibly.  As far as M2 is concerned, you are merely passing
an array of chars, and not a field of a record.  It shouldn't be
very difficult to write a small test program to be absolutely
sure, though.
From: Greg.Vigneault@puddle.fidonet.org (Greg Vigneault)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: LOGITECH MODULA-2
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:04:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.8701.2ADCD37E
Organization: Pacific Systems Group


 In a message with Yves Auger...
NK> The compiler itself is fairly good.  There are a few bugs, but
  > they're good about acknowledging them and I'd expect them to be
  > fixed in the next release.  (Most of them are fairly obscure in
  > any event, I just have a knack for finding them.)  I couldn't
  > comment on its sutability as a teaching tool.

 I'm looking at buying one or more Clarion/JPI compiler, including
 their Modula-2.  I currently use the shareware FST Modula-2.

 Can you share some of the known Logitech Modula-2 bugs/quirks, as
 well as its unique features?

 Greg_

 Oct.07.1992.Toronto.Canada.        greg.vigneault@bville.gts.org

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From: Cedric.Baechler@p74.f714.n301.z2.fidonet.org (Cedric Baechler)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Modula-2 & Windows
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:02:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.9038.2ADE14DA
Organization: FidoNet node 2:301/714.74 - The Best BBS!, Zuerich

In a msg on <Oct 09 00:35>, Jon Guthrie of 1:106/2000.25 writes:

 JG> Stony Brook's ships their Modula-2 compiler with three different 
 JG> versions.  (That is, for MS-DOS, OS/2, and Windows.)  While the MS-DOS 
 JG> and OS/2 versions have everything you need to produce code for those 
 JG> OSes, the Windows version requires WINAPI.DLL (or whatever it's 
 JG> called) and a resource compiler.  (Such things are available either in 
 JG> the Windows SDK or from any of the C compilers for Windows.)

 JG> I use this compiler for all my OS/2 programming, and I like it a lot.

The problem is that this compiler generates only 16-bit code. I have
no idea if a 32-bit version is in work.

Cedric Baechler
cbaechle@iiic.ethz.ch


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From: andrewb@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU ("", Andrew Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2
Subject: Re: FST 3.0 DOS compiler ftpable
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:21:09 GMT
Reply-To: Modula2 List <INFO-M2%UCF1VM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: world
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.lzh files (I think) need a utility lharc (or something similar).

Most libraries (I.E. Simtel) should have it.

andrewb