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From: pszymans@schiller.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:51:27 GMT
Reply-To: pszymans@schiller.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

I usually am pretty amused by many of the postings in this
group (even the one's from John Turman, even though he is
a Miami fan).  However, I feel I just must respond to this one.

bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> Similarly ND and Miami suck because they have become media events
> rather than, or in addition to, being football teams.  Their fans are
> graceless in winning--they ramble on and on about themselves along
> with the media.  

Obviously Gary doesn't get up to South Bend all that much.  ND fans are very
gracious to the opposition BOTH after winning AND losing (which doesn't 
happen very often).  I've seen opposing fans taunt ND faithful in parking 
lots after the opposition has lost, hoping to get some sort of 
rise out of us.  However, I've seen nothing but polite acknowledgement
of the other's position.  

With regards to a previous thread about ND fans being poor sports 
after losing I present the aftermath of last year's Tennessee game.
ND was stunned by Tennessee and it was a shocking and depressing defeat.
However, at tailgaters after the game, Tennesseans (?) were congratulated
by ND loyals and were very impressed.  For days after that game, the
local newspaper carried letters from many Tennessee fans expressing
how impressed they were with ND's graciousness in such a bitter
loss.  Obviously not the graceless jerks we are being portrayed as.  

I can understand many people's dislike for Notre Dame (and maybe even 
Miami) as I used to be one of those that was disenchanted with ND.  But 
comments should not be made without firsthand experience.  

And Gary, all I cansay is that just because you have a stinking awful 
football team doesn't mean that you should vent your frustrations on the 
rest of us that do.  You should, to paraphrase the Bard, *get thyself to
a real school* :-) 

Peter T. Szymanski
University of Notre Dame 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Yankee Conference
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:55:09 GMT

In article <2838@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>>Oh sure, give texas all the good team names. I suppose we could call
>>ourselves the Sweatin' Yankees or something. That is pretty Florida.
>>Whatever you want though Fighting Knights is wrong. That's for sure.
>
>How about the UCF Flying Cockroaches?  They do grow up pretty big down
>
>>Tony (go Stinging Mosquitoes) Travaglini
>
>Won't work either ... that name should belong to an Alaska team ... the
>mosquitoes up there are so legendary they've made the mosquito their
>state bird (not true, but oft suggested by people who've been there).
>                          ____                  
>Darryl E. Marsee         |    \   1926 CCSG/SCCI 205 Perry Street
>Control Data Systems     |  *  \  Robins Air Force Base, GA 31098
>demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil  |_____/  demarsee@logdis1.wr.aflc.af.mil

How about the Flying Love Bugs? Now there's a mascot I'd love to see on
the field, of course there'd have to be two of them and they'd have to
"couple" as they cruise around the sidelines. Where do I sign up?


John
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:18:33 GMT

John Turman writes:

>Anyone who thinks Miami is just a football factory (I know you didn't spell it
>out but the message is clear :~) )

'fraid I missed it.

>If you check it out, there have been more Notre Damers in
>the NFL than any other school since the beginning of the league. So tell me, 
>what does that make ND, a liberal arts school?

And I'll bet that Notre Dame has more alumni who have gone on to become 
head-of-state than many (non-ivy league) schools (Jose Napolean Duarte, the 
late president of El Salvador.)  Does that mean Notre Dame is a president 
factory too?

>Sorry, you guys have been a football factory since the days of Knute Rockne
>and it aint gonna change no matter how hard you try.

This reminds me of the time a guy told me Cy Young's pitches were once clocked
at over 100 mph.  I laughed so hard I hurt myself!  (Just what *was* the market
for professional football players in the 20's?)

BTW, Knute Rockne was hired by Notre Dame following his graduation in 1913 as a
chemistry teacher.  He volunteered time as an assistant football coach for a
few years before disappointing the heck out of Julius Niewland by moving to
football full-time.  However, stories are told (I heard many of them from my
late grandfather who took freshman chemistry from Knute Rockne) of how many
non-chemistry students would pack Rockne's classroom to hear him lecture.

ObFootball: I'm picking Bowling Green to repeat as MAC champion this season.  
Coach Blackney will have the Falcons flying!

     - Pat
.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:55:03 GMT

Robert Szczerba writes:

> >>I don't think playing at Notre Dame automatically insures a Heisman
> >>Trophy.  A good example of this would be Rocket Ismail.  He was the
> >>best player in the land and was passed over for the Heisman because
> >>of a lot of Anti Notre Dame sentiment from many of the voters.  
> >
> >Much of which was because of the Tim Brown voting a few years earlier.
> >
> >No doubt in my mind: Rocket Ismail was the best player that year ...
> >Ty Detmer was good, but he was no Rocket.
> >                       ____                  
> 
>I think I actually heard someone on ESPN say that
>Rocket was "paying for the sins of Tim Brown" by
>not winning the Heisman.

I've seen both Tim Brown and Raghib Ismail play, and there is no doubt
in my mind that Rocket was better.  He had more impact on Notre Dame's
offense and more impact on how opposing defenses approched the game.
He was much more electrifying to watch.

I think Mark mentioned that his stats weren't as good as Quadry's.
I'd be interested to see a comparison, but one thing to think about:
What do you think Rocket's stats would be like if he was on a team 
where there weren't so many other talented people to hand the ball to.
Notre Dame had so much talent, that they didn't have to depend on one
player in a one dimensional attack.  I think if he was anywhere else,
his stats would have been much more impressive, regardless of the 
fact that he could be keyed on even more by the defense.

Has anybody heard where Rocket & the Missile's brother, the Bomb, is
going to attend?  Rocket has said publicly that the Bomb (I can't
recall his name.) is much more talented than either of them.

-Mike Noonan
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Oh, now that I got a Cardinal (was: ND fans)
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:35:14 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul31.000224.17011@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
+ stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
+ >And what does that say of Stanfraud's band? 
+ 
+ If you mean the LSJUMB, it tells me that they are disrespectful to
+ organized religion and that they are not very good at defending
+ themselves from crazed fanatics.

Hopefully the football team will do a little better in defending themselves
against the Aggies in 27 days...

James (but not much better)
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:03:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul22.135700.29781@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
> Michael Noonan writes:
> 
> >What kind of ethics/grammar do they teach at Texas A&M?
> 
> Never end sentences with prepositions or there will be no escape from the hell 
> you find yourself burning in.

Hey, wait a minute. This is something up with which I will not put.
A preposition is the perfect thing to end a sentence with.

"Don't use contractions" is a better rule.


> - Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------

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From: ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati)
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.185644.10233@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@haydn.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.185223.10148@news.nd.edu> wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul23.183946.22948@alw.nih.gov> ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati) writes:
|> >>I hate Notre Dame and its football team!  I was wondering howmany others
|> >>share the same feelings.  Ofcourse, you don't have to have a valid reason
|> >>for hating something or somebody.
|> >>
|> >>So, I have come up with an idea.  Let's make a survey on the net and see
|> >>the general feelings towards Notre Dame.
|> >>
|> >>All you have to do is add your name under the appropriate column below.
|> >>I would be glad to summarize the results, later.
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>I hate Notre Dame				I don't
|> >>*****************			*********************
|> >>Ravi Boddapati - ravi@helix.nih.gov	
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>No flames please.
|> >>
|> >>-- Ravi
|> >>
|> >That's a good idea- lists of things you hate for absolutely no reason.  I've
|> >been inspired to start my own.  Here it is, hope you like it:
|> >
|> >I hate Ravi Boddapati                          I don't
|> >*********************                   **********************
|> >Bill
|> >
|> >Actually it's because your last name sounds like "Port-a-potty"
|> >
|> >
|> What a great idea.  Please add me to the list of people who think
|> Ravi "Port-a-potty" Boddapati is a complete idiot.  Please don't consider
|> this a flame, as it was written with compassion and feeling.
|> 
|> 
|> As for the ND list - you can add me to the group that does not
|> hate Notre Dame.
|> 
|> 
|> 	- have a nice day
|> 	

What a bunch of morons!  Can't even stand the thought of someone hating 
Notre Dame (, Inc. ).  FYI I did not elaborate on any reason(s) just to
avoid diversion like this.

All I am interested in is knowing whether or not anyone shares my feelings.

Also, looks like there are many more people who hate Notre Dame ( a sister
company of NBC ).

Finally, I can't help but point out -

	"william lamonaca"  --> "Bill the village idiot" ( in French, ofcourse )
	"Robert Szczerba"   --> "Bob the zebu" ( in plain English )

-- Ravi

	Ravi Boddapati 			phone: (301) 496 0331 
	Building 12A, Room B57		uucp: uunet!nih-csl!ravi
	National Institutes of Health	Internet: ravi@alw.nih.gov
	Bethesda, MD 20892
From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Summary: Colorado does
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:46:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: usa
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO


As you may have guessed CU still sells beer at football games. Our basketball
arena is even called the "COORS EVENT CENTER" because they dontated $5 million 
to the school. Unfortunately coors is the only beer they sell :-(

What CU has done to try to keep the roudiness of games down is to move the
kick-off time from 2pm to 12pm. This is two hours less of pre-game festivities.
It seems to have worked because last years two night games were noticably more
roudy than the day games.

	-ethan

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: College Coaches
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.183328.8106@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
#I know it's a little early, but I'm in the process of updating
#my list of college football coaches that have coached 10 or more
#years at the *same* school, regardless of NCAA or NAIA division.
#
#Look over the list below and e-mail me any updates and/or additions.
#The criteria is given also.

[...]

#Coaches with 10 or more years at the same institution.  Ordered by
#division, school and name. 
#
#Division I-A
#
#  Washington
#    Don James

Here's some more info to add to your list:

Jim Phelan (Notre Dame '19) coached from 1930-41.  His record
was 65-37-8.  He coached in 1 Rose Bowl ('37) and 1 Pineapple
Bowl (now defunct).

Jim Owens (Oklahoma '50) coached from 1957-74.  His record was
99-82-6.  He coached in 3 Rose Bowls ('60, '61, '64).

Don James (Miami FL '54) has been at UW since 1975.  His record
is 144-54-2.  He has coached in 5 Rose Bowls ('78, '81, '82,
'91, '92), 2 Sun Bowls, 2 Aloha Bowls, 2 Freedom Bowls, 1 Orange
Bowl and 1 Independence Bowl. He coached the 1992 National
Champions.

Source:  1991 University of Washington Football Media Guide.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:00:09 GMT

In article <BrwLtp.LHo@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>ti.com>
>Distribution: usa
>Organization: UMCC
>
>In article <1992Jul24.163333.14942@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill
> Dostalik) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.152019.21291@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Etha
>n Alpert) writes:
>  [Parts of reasons for ND hatred delted] 


>As to the moral implications, well there are plenty of places one 
>can't buy beer.  Personally, I enjoy drinking beer, but can live 
>without it at a game.  Of course, the obnoxious drunks that I've 
>seen at games either smuggle in booze or get plastered before the 
>game.  
> 
>Steve 

I've been to football games at every ACC school except Duke, and
I'm fairly sure I haven't seen beer sales.
-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: TV shows
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:05:01 GMT

Here's some info on some upcoming TV broadcasts related to r.s.f.c.
 
KUSA, the Denver ABC affiliate, will be broadcasting a show on Saturday,
August 8 called College Football '92.  Prominent coaches preview the
upcoming college football season for the major conferences.  It will be
shown at 1:30PM MDT.  I have a hunch that this is, in fact, an ABC
network show - so check your local listings.  You won't want to miss
hearing Lou Holtz explain how this is a rebuilding year for Notre Dame
and how the opposition this year is, without exception, the best he's
ever seen.
 
The Sunshine Network will be showing a re-broadcast of last season's
Tulane at Florida State game on Friday, August 7 at 7:30PM EDT.  This
was the second game of the season for FSU and they were ranked #1 at
the time.  The Sunshine Network is a Florida sports cable channel.  A
satellite dish is required outside of Florida.  Tune to satellite
Satcom C1, channel 24 (F1/24).
 
Also on the Sunshine Network is a show called South Florida Sport
Report.  This is broadcast on Fridays at 7:00PM EDT and is repeated on
Saturdays at 11:30AM EDT.  This probably has a lot of Dolphins and Heat
crap but it should also provide Hurricanes updates.
 
I also read that the Empire Sport Network, targeted at upstate New York,
has gone full-time on satellite Spacenet 2, channel 23 (S2/23) and will
show Syracuse football.  Will any of the broadcasts be live?  Or (more
likely), will the games be shown on a tape-delayed basis?
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Mascots
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:54:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Jul24.153346.29081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman) writes:
>What is the name of that stupid bird mascot for the 'Canes?!  I think the 
>highlight of last year was when that bird was the first one to charge the field
>in Tallahassee when the FSU kicker missed that field goal by six inches.  Hell,
>that bird knew the result even before the referee.  Also, I remember when Kevin
>Williams streaked for a touchdown, took off his helmet and waved to the camera!
>As much as I hate the 'Canes, you gotta love their cockiness!
>
>Go Bucks!
>Tim

Sebastian the Ibis. I love their ability to win the big games when they are the
underdog but I don't particularly care for the antics. I love the Canes but I
hate the cockiness. I've always been a firm believer in "do your talking with
your shoulder pads" let the losers flap their jaws. I wish the Canes would do
more of this.

John
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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: South Carolina schedule, please
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.200923.29569@hubcap.clemson.edu> trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
>jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>
[The USC flames....]
>
>>Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
>
>>DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
>>fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
>
>It's probably the same as you being a Clemson fan at N.C. State.  I realize
>that you are in Grad School, but still...  As a Clemson fan (also, but
>slightly less rabid, I suppose...) one of the teams I hate the most is
>the N.C. State Wolfpack.  How could you!?
>
Really Trevor, I'd say I hate State sports too.  Don't worry, when Clemson
plays here, I'll be the one wearing ORANGE all week.  Proudly.  You know:
Orange matches everything.  Now you may not believe it, but you know deep
down you want orange attire.
 
>Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
> 
-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:57:09 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

Timothy C Pitts writes:

>It's an Ibis.  A stork-like bird that is supposedly the last animal to take
>refuge before a Hurricane and the first to appear after the Hurricane has
>passed.

In other words, a bird-brain.

     - Pat
.
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From: jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:29:33 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin


Does anybody know whether Shea Morenz has decided to play football (and
baseball) at UT or play baseball for the Blue Jays? I had thought the
matter was all but decided when his father sent the fax to every ML
baseball team saying that no bonus ever paid to a high school player
in the past was big enough to keep his son from going to UT. The result
was a very low draft of Shea (something liek the 160th pick, when he
was projected arounf #20). Now, however, it seems that he has an agent
and is still negotiating with Toronto. 

With Peter "the Great" Gardere back for one more season, we _really_
need Shea... ;-)

Jay Boisseau
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mjo@b24a.ingr.com (M.Jesus.O at Beat)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:27:36 GMT

In article <BrwLtp.LHo@ais.org>, ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
> ti.com>
> Distribution: usa
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> 
> In article <1992Jul24.163333.14942@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill
>  Dostalik) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul24.152019.21291@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Etha
> n Alpert) writes:
>   [Parts of reasons for ND hatred delted] 
> >>The most important thing that makes me dislike ND is the fact that they asked
> >>the O-Bowl to NOT sell BEER at the game. Is this the lamest thing you've ever
> >>heard of. I can't stand people who try to impose their values on others. I
> >>you don't want to drink at a football game don't but why ruin it for everyone
> >>else. Its this sense of superiority that really bugs me.
> >>
> >>      -ethan
> >
> >Okay, I'll give you the point on the beer.
> >
> >But, enough with this ND banter, already!  I mean, WHO CARES?!  They're one of
> >a couple dozen good programs, so let's have some fresh topics!  Jeez, I can't
> >wait until the season starts.
>  
> I agree.  Enough about ND.  However, I'm curious to find out how many 
> college stadiums sell beer.   Michigan Stadium doesn't sell any kind 
> of alcohol.  That being the source of my main college football experience,
> I was surprised to see beer sold at the Rose Bowl this last year.  
> (So surprised that I bought a couple.) 
> Is it common for college stadiums to sell beer/alcohol?  
> As to the moral implications, well there are plenty of places one 
> can't buy beer.  Personally, I enjoy drinking beer, but can live 
> without it at a game.  Of course, the obnoxious drunks that I've 
> seen at games either smuggle in booze or get plastered before the 
> game.  
>  
> Steve 

I don't believe the NCAA allows beer to be sold at Div. I-A football
games. Or any I-A athletic contest. Bowl games must be an exception.
Or maybe off-campus contests are the exception. 

I seem to recall hearing from a friend who attended a Div. I-AA school
that alcohol sales were allowed at their games.


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