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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Machines as of September
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:36:54 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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adrake@bluemoon.rn.com (Andy Drake) writes:

>Sorry to crush any A4000 rumors, but as of the September issue of 
>AmigaWorld, Commodore is now selling an '040 A3000T complete with monitor 
>for something like $5999.00 retail US.  On the otherhand, if the AA 
>machine actually do come out later this year, why bring out an ECS '040 
>machine? Hmmm, makes ya wonder.....

#1 This hardly crushes Amiga 4000 rumors.

#2 The (unidentified) source from Commodore who told me that there
WAS going to be an Amiga 4000 was totally surprised to see the
3000T ad in the new Amiga Whirled.  He said the reason had to be
number 3:

#3 Commodore has done many stupid things and will continue to do so
in the future.

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:23:15 GMT

	I, for one, hope that the FALCON turns out to be as good as the rumors
or better, and for the posted price.  Maybe this will convince Commodore that
their current prices are not very competetive in the PC market.  (Yeah
I know it's harder for them to be competetive, less installed base, yet the
non-competetive price also leads to less potential users, a catch-22)



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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:44:13 GMT

Sierra is only now redoing it's EGA games in 256 colors ... they weren't
using that mode even in 1989.  VGA is a recent development.  The Amiga isn't
that far behind... I mean, when the the Mac get lower end color?  1991?

thom
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:50:33 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <3576@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>
> >I feel that I have a "right" to evaluate the software before buying it.
>
>   Actually, more and more dealers are becoming much more lax in their return
> policy for application software these days, games still remain an exchange-only
> situation, and it should remain so.  Game evalaution can be accomplished in the
> store, so there's little reason to return it unless the copy is bad.  You can't
> be so sure of an application though.
>
>   Best thing is to make sure that the dealer will allow a return prior to
> purchase, if not, tell them why you're going elsewhere to get it.
>

My dealer lets me open the box and try out the software on a machine at the
store.  You have NO excuse.

> >So yes, techincally I'm a pirate.  :-P :-)  There's some Amiga cracking group
> >out there that has a motto, "A program worth using is a program worth buying."
> >I whole heartedly support their efforts as well as their motto.
>
>   Their motto is just another weak rationalization, they often "support" this
> stance by denigrating a program for the lack of a feature, which nulls the
> reason to purchase it while it still allows the use of it.
>

Anything to make a thief sleep better at night :)

>   -jack-
>
>
>

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.061158.3411@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>> Once again, all indications are that the A600 may never be released in
>> North America...
>	Here we go with another famous advocacy roumer:  I was talking to
>	the salesman at the local Software Etc.  He happened to even know
>	what an Amiga was and yes, he even new about the A600.  He said
>	that Software Etc. was planning on selling them.  I think he said
>	he was told at company meeting.  I think he also said they were
>	waiting for the 'official' release from Commodore.

This is certainly possible, but my observations were based on consultations
with the manufacturer, not unsubstantiated rumours. Within the North American
market, the A600 belongs on the shelf right next to the A500+.

Mark

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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 500 Pound Atari Falcon?  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Keywords: Chill Out
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:01:40 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL

Howdy. Just a note - the original article in this thread was posted to both
the advocacy and misc groups. There are a lot of people with short fuses who
don't appreciate the followups appearing in comp.sys.amiga.misc. (To say the
least...) For the sake of reduced blood pressures in various corners, I'd
advise anyone continuing this thread to edit their Newsgroups/Followup
headers accordingly.

To those of you reading the misc group, who have been offended by the
cross-traffic - any trespass you may have perceived was purely unintentional.
Those of you who feel it is your duty to attack after such an affront should
go back and ask your parents to give you a refresher on manners. Accusing
folks of slinging crap is neither a polite nor expedient way of effecting a
change, in any situation.
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:40:34 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug16.033633.17391@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin) writes:
> : The question is, it's right or wrong, not serious non-serious. I know CBM
> : associates non-democratic to serious. Did you think i was expecting an answer
>
> I don't know:  Were you?
>
> : You are just confirm than we can only receive information by respectable
> : people like Marc Barrett, who try to retablish democracy. Personnaly i think
>
> Alright, I'm going to flame this one to hell.  Marc Barrett and
> respectable, after that last "fiasco", do NOT belong in the same
> sentence.  The man stretches the truth as faithfully as a damn geyser.

MB definately stretches the truth.  His posts COULD be very good if he
chose to word them differently - there is a lot of fact in them.  For
example, his continuously saying that CBM spends 2.2% of profit on R&D
is correct...

>
> You wanna know what C='s working on?  Become a developer.  Do
> something for the Amiga.  You act like he's some insider--he's not.
> Get used to it.  But don't ask C= to jeopardize the future by spilling
> their guts on every little question you ask.  That's why developers
> are under non-disclosure, so that they can keep things secret--right
> or wrong.
>

You want to get lied to?  Become a developer.  CBM is just as bad as MB
ever has been.  I'll back up what I just said, too.  In Jan., at the CES
show in Las Vegas, CBM showed preliminary machines to selected developers.
Not ALL developers, mind you...  Those machines had more features than
the new ones will.  That's promising something and not delivering.  Want
more?  CBM told EA in 1985 that the A1000 would have a price tag of $1000.
So, EA jumps on the bandwagon and pumped big money into Amiga product and
advertising.  Then the A1000 comes out at a price of > $2K.  Wonder why
EA doesn't stand behind the Amiga anymore?  CBM did the same thing with
CDTV - promised an entry price of $700.  The machine sold for > $1K and
was missing features (HW compression/decompression) that were promised.
EA didn't bite the second time...  What is true of EA is true of ALL
US developers/publishers.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ahansfor@coal.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Think Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:54:50 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Aug 92 13:52:36 GMT, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Dream On) said:

Dream> [I heard these rumors on the net - read at own peril]

Dream> A600	68000+ECS+KS3.0		$199 US
Dream> A800	68020+AA+KS3.0		$399 US
Dream> A1000jr	68020+AA+KS3.0+HD	$650 US
Dream> A3400	68030+AA+KS3.0+HD	???? US

Dream> Any ideas on the correctness of this information?
Dream> Obviously from the leaked specs on AA, its not that great!  But at these
Dream> prices who would complain!

Sounds like its BS.  The net is notoriously a bad place for rumors
and such.  From what I gather on the net (which is of course a bad
place to get this information) and from the reading and comparing the
articles here on the net is that many configurations are proposed,
prototyped, or in conception.  What actually comes out can be very
different. The above is not at all what I've heard hear and from
several others.

We've now heard:

A800, A1200, A2200, A2400, A3400, A4000, A3000+ ,A1000 classic,
A1000jr

Even if all of these machines existed in some form or another (paper
to prototype to concept machine) we just don't know.  And the
designations are hardly of any use because that can be changed or
decided days before a product is introduced. (IE A800 and A1200 could
be a similar machine with working designations)

I'm not sure how the design process from new machines works at C=, but
the developers (and some market people) have probably seen machines
that never go any further. Some machines probably never make it out of
lab.  Rumors of all of these leak through and get turned into
some great products.  Then of course there is just the BS of people
making things up and other taking it seriously. 

We've probably heard some bits of truth but they have been obscured by
tons of BS.

Things that are widely seen:
2.1
HD floppies
040 board (announced)

Now analyzing the above

A600 its real.  $199 possible.  TBD more likely.

A800, A1000jr  (Up until recently and including the 600 machines with
the same case and features a version with a hard drive is called
AXXXXHD)

A3400 ??? who knows.  Doesn't seem to fit the pricing structure of the
new stuff and the stuffout now.

AA many rumors bt I willing to believe that it exists.

KS3.0 :  Well C= may be working on something that will be called 3.0
that supports whatever features but 2.1 seems to have more credibility
around and seems closer to a release.  If the schedule from the WOA
show is correct then 2.1 will be introduced in Sept. We are still a
few weeks away and things that C= intends to introduce at what MSRP
can still change. 


-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.234413.22368@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Sierra is only now redoing it's EGA games in 256 colors ... they weren't
>using that mode even in 1989.  VGA is a recent development.  The Amiga isn't
>that far behind... I mean, when the the Mac get lower end color?  1991?

   Especially where games are concerned, the installed base of systems with
high-res 8-bit color is more important than the simple availablility of systems
with 8-bit color.  Apple has been selling the LC since very early in 1990,
and SVGA cards have been available longer than that.  In this respect, 
Commodore is many years behind Apple and the PC clones crowd, because there
probably will not be an installed base of Amigas with 8-bit graphics even
equal to the current installed base of Mac LC's for a couple of years at
least.  In the meantime, while Commodore is attempting to catch up with the
installed base of inexpensive systems with high-res 8-bit graphics, the
other systems will continue to grow.  For Commodore, it will be like trying
to catch up with a moving vehicle that continues to accelerate away from them.

>thom

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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.034751.3584@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
>Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
>Date: 14 Aug 92 03:47:51 GMT
>In article <10667547.41.713672992@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:

>Hmmmm, the last presentation I saw Bill give (at the Systems Unit retreat)
>he used PowerPoint for Windows. I doubt we use anything else. After
>all, I didn't think it was an Amiga doing full motion video on a Windows
>style desktop.
>

Sorry, I meant Microsoft in Australia.  Forgot this was a world-wide 
audience.

>Now, our multimedia and video productions guys... they have a few Amigas.
>Mostly for evaluation.

Like what, reverse engineering?

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-Jif
From: rdixon@pentagon-gw.army.mil (Roger Dixon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Multimedia ads
Date: 11 Aug 92 19:13:56 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Artificial Intelligence Center


    I was wandering around my local computer library today, and
decided to take a look at a mag called New Media.  It covers
the subject of multimedia in general with lots of reviews of
hardware and software available.  I glanced through a number of
back issues, and was pleased to find that the Amiga had coverage
in every one.  It also had a number of reviews that ranked the
Amiga quite favorably to both IBM and MAC.  It looks like C=
efforts to advertise in the multimedia market may be working.
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:14:05 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
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 <l8j32qINNqqd@pollux.usc.edu> <1992Aug13.143604.29158@ctr.columbia.edu>
 <9531@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> <mykes.0cjc@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>

In article <mykes.0cjc@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>, mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike
Schwartz) says:

>In article <9531@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com
>(Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>> So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
>> failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.

>Sorry, Peter.  But OS/2 CAN run AmigaOS applications.  Only they are called
>OS/2 applications.

Does this mean anything, particularily?

Careful Mykes, you're beginning to sound like an IBM droid...

>> This is ridiculous, isn't it?

I agree... I think it's time to lay off the regular "Amiga is Dead" posts.
Let's give 'em a chance with the new AA machines. If they're outrageously
expensive or horribly crippled, then by all means you can all proceed with
your doomsaying. But for now I'm waiting, and in September I'll be seeing.

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From: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: a3000-040 hiya dave!
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:00:06 EST
Reply-To: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Howdy, this message is directed at Dave Haynie.

I have a couple of questions about the "new" Amiga 3000T-040 which you
should be able to answer since it has been released.
 
About 5 months ago I posted a message to you asking if it was possible to
enliminate the 030 and 882 on the motherboard and simply use plug in boards
in the CPU-slot so that the 030/882 wouldn't be wasted when you upgraded to
a new processor. You agreed that it was a good Idea and that you had
thought of doing it yourself. So my question is, is the 040 in the
A3000-040 the only processer on board? and if so, is it on the motherboard
or in the CPU-slot?

And this question is just aching to be asked (you don't have to answer)
does the A3000T-040 include any other upgrades? besides the standard ECS?

TTYL
    Thomas Napier

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 09:18:32 GMT

kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>[...]
>Whatever happened to COMPETITION?!?!  There's LOTS of computer software
>competition, why not cartridge software?  I guess that most of the console
>market is kids who probably aren't paying for it themselves.  

I've noticed something interesting with all my friends' children:  they've
usually only bought just one or two games.  Then they and everyone else
take their cartridges to school each day, and trade around... sort of like
a neighborhood book-of-the-month-club circle.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:19:41 GMT

In article <Ianm.02h7@gandalf.UUCP> Ianm@gandalf.UUCP (Ian Moran) writes:
>I have just come to this newsgroup from Fidonet and must say I'm amazed at
>the general lack of fun folk in here have with their Amiga!

   Are you surprised?  Amigas aren't much fun anymore.  Games and demos have
lost their touch because of the comparitively low screen and color resolutions.
Heck, SimAnt on the Macintosh looks a thousand times better than the Amiga
version, and SimEarth isn't even available for the Amiga as far as I know.

   This happens when a system like the Amiga stagnates.  Things that were a lot
of fun years ago are boring now, and there have been no improvements in usable
resolutions and color capabilities to keep the Amiga interesting.  I have 
basically been limited to using my Amiga as a dumb terminal, and I have 
numerous friends who have been using their Amigas for the same thing.  Sad.


>           //  Fidonet - Ian Moran @ 2:257/10.1 & 2:440/59.5"
>         \X/            Usenet - ianm@icsbelf.uucp"

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug22.140152.26602@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <64421@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>...not integrated in to the OS fully.
>
>That sounds like other people that a math coprocessor is not integrated
>into the OS fully..
>
>>And if you need an explanation, use Truetype fonts in Windows or
>>Adobe fonts in OS/2 to see what I mean.
>
>Be more specfic.

I'll redescribe this on my OS/2 2.0.

I do have some fonts to start with, but let be example how I get new fonts.
First, I download them.  I put them in my D:\Fonts directory.  I uncompress
them all with booz.exe, a simple .zoo extractor. I minimize/close that
OS/2 shell. I click through a couple of nested folders until I bring up my
Font Palette. From here I could Mouse Button#2 DRAG a font listed and *exampled*
to the desktop, a text windows, a nested windows, and thereby change ALL the
fonts in that _region_.  Or hold down the Alt key to make it system with.  I
have 8-point Times Romaneverywhere, for example.  Any, back to the downloaded
fonts- At the bottom of the Font Palette, I click on the 'Edit Font...' button.
I dialog box pops up, where by I could change 'rotate out' a font from the the d
isplayed fonts (a  max of 8 are shownat any one time) and show a new one for
MB2-dragging...but I don't wanna do that.  I want to 'Add...' a font.  So I 
press that button. Another dialog box pops up, with a test field, where it
asks me to speficy WHERE the downloaded fonts can be found.  I Click at the
beginning of the text-field, and type: D:\FONTS
The hard drive whirrs a while, and pops up yet another dialog box.  Here,
i can click off a list of font files it found, and click 'Add...' at the bottom
when I am finished.  Voila, it's done.

NOW, when ever I typesomething in an Editor, or that Enhanced editor (and I ass 
me some other WP - I don't have one), I select the top-line menu that correspond
s to 'change font', or 'style' or some such pertaining to changing
font style.  A dialog box pops up, witha list of all the fonts at my
disposal, and a graphics box showing a _sample_ of the highlighted font.  I can
either double-click the font I want, or highlight it and press 'Ok'.  THat's
it, and now the font has changed.

I know the above is a bit lengthy, but you DID ask for specifics. :)

Any OS/2er out there want to comment on Adobe Fonts wrt a real Word Processor?

ed fonts (a max of 8 are shownat any one time)
>
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