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From: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu (sameer bhatia)
Subject: Re: Basketball vs Soccer Redux
Reply-To: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:50:14 GMT

In article 6399@daimi.aau.dk, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong) writes:
>
>>I know many of you don't care to read this, so hit 'n' now.
>
>>Otherwise, I'll try to answer Sameer's comments:
>
>>-> Your comments make sense, but how can basketball, a game of tall players hope to
>>-> compete with the simplest and cheapest of games, to play which you don't have
>>-> to be tall or big or even necessarily fast?
>
>>I also hear of how cheap football is.  Last time I checked, a field 
>>350' by 250' cost a real bundle...  
>
>You don't need a field. You can play football in your living room.
>Also you don't need a ball, you can play with almost anything. As
>goal you can use the clothes that you doesn't wear during the match
>anyway. And you can play on any surface.
>
>To play basketball you need a ball that can bounce, a basket placed
>higher than yourself and a surface that alllows the ball to bounce.
>I have to admit that basketball is perfect for playing when sitting
>down. But don't tell me that football isn't the cheapest team sport
>around :-).
>-- 
>Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
>rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
>      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona


I haven't really bothered to defend my views, but I think Jesper did a pretty
good job for me. Thanks.
Getting past the football vs basketballargument, we should all be getting mad
at NBC for trying to push basketball only because the US team happens to excel
at it and ignoring all other games where they may or may not do well.....
Sameer
From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: lightning
Keywords: lightning safety
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:25:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.sports.soccer
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul23.020409.29587@midway.uchicago.edu> hafn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>they were of the macho variety.  It is my opinion that not only should the ref
>call the game, but he should also make sure everyone clears the area.

And while he's at it make sure they don't go home through a bad neighbourhood,
or walk accross the street without looking, etc... He's not a babysitter.
Sure, he should abandon the match, so nobody feels forced to play in
possibly dangerous conditions, but the decision to play on should definitely
be that of the players themselves.  Has personal responsibility totally died?


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From: holzsche@prl.philips.nl (Con Holzscherer)
Subject: Re: Bundesliga Transfers
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:45:31 GMT

In article <psima01.711709635@convex> M. Maisack writes:
 
>the new "Kicker Sonderheft Bundesliga" has just appeared.
>It costs 7 DM , and, as usual, should be read when the season is
>over, to get the most amusement out of the predictions ;-)
 
 The same (?) information can be found in the "Fussball Sport Extra
Bundesliga Sonderausgabe", which costs only 6 DM!
 
 
>let's check on the new players:
 
 you forgot some important ones!!
 
>Stuttgart: Strunz from Bayern, Golke from Nuernberg,
>      Sammer went to Inter
       Kastl got no new contract
>Dortmund: Reuter from Juve, Sippel from Frankfurt
       Bebeto (Brasilian topscorer and international)
         came from Vasco da Gama, Zelic from Australia
>      Breitzke goes to D-dorf
       Helmer goes to Bayern (8 MDM!)
>Frankf: Rahn from D'dorf,
>      Moeller goes to Turin
       Sippel goes to Borussia Dortmund
>Koeln: Christofte from Denmark, Giske back to Bergen, Goetz to Galatasaray
 Kaisers-
>Lautern : Marin from Kickers Stuttgart,
       Jan Eriksson from Norrkoeping
       Scherr to Schalke, Kranz to Uerdingen
>Karlsruhe:  Bender from Bayern,
       Kirjakow from Dynamo Moscow
       Scholl went to Bayern (6 MDM!)
>      Harforth to Duisburg
>Bremen: Beiersdorfer from HSV
       Herzog from Rapid Vienna
>Bayern: Jorginho from Leverkusen, Helmer form Dortmund, Scholl from KSC
>    Schupp from Wattenscheid
>    Effenberg and Laudrup to Fiorentina, Pfluegler back to the amateurs,
       Struntz to Stuttgart, Bender to KSC
>Schalke: Scherr from Lautern,
     Bueskens and Hey (both) from Fortuna Duesseldorf
>HSV: Spies from Rostock,
     Weichert from Rostock, Lechkov and Dotchev (both) from Sofia
     Beiersdorfer from Werder
>Gladbach: Moelby and Nielsen from Denmark, Norbert Meier becomes youth coach
>Bochum : Moutas from Stuttgarter Kickers,
     Kim Joo-Sung from Korea
>Wattenscheid: Lesniak from Leverk, Kula from Stgt Kickers
     Schupp to Bayern
>Saarbruecken: Glesius (KSC), Wuttke from Espanol,
     Wynalda from USA, Sawitchew from Olympiakos and
>      Stefan Beckenbauer (son of the famous...)
     Preetz to Duisburg
 
>
>this list is by no means complete, just the (imho) most important ones.
 
   Now it is some more complete
 
 
 
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From: mwr@controls.ccd.harris.com (Mike Reeves)
Subject: Re: US Italy was on the Triplecast Friday
Originator: mwr@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:44:38 GMT


In article <1992Jul26.143031.1124@europa.asd.contel.com>, andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
|> I don't know how this occured but the white channel showed the US Italy
|> game on tape Friday night.  Anybody know whats going on here?  I seen a ton of schedules and none of them said anything about this game being shown.  My
|> guess is that since they didn't have anything else to show, they put that game
|> on.  I don't think that this will happen again but it might be worth calling
|> and asking about.  I know alot of people who have called and complained about
|> the lack of soccer coverage on the triplecast.  Maybe, just maybe we got
|> through to someone.
|> 
|> Andy
|> 
|> 

Sunday morning, my son started yelling "Dad, did you buy the TripleCast?
Platform diving's on!"  Sure enough, we had the white channel unscrambled.
We decided to watch, and before long, NBC put on the US - Italy game.  We
got to see the first two goals before someone at the local cable company 
got wise and started scrambling the picture.  It was a nice surprise to get
to see some soccer before the final.
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: nbc - olympics
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <Bs3x80.EM1@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>In article <01GMVWH2KMAO99DGUF@LTUVAX.BITNET> OB71330%LTUVAX.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (The difference between you and me is that I do it and you say it.) writes:
>< ....  NBC has a time slot from
><12:35am until 2:05am to show the game, along with that they have to show the
><women's tennis doubles and the water polo semifinal.  How in the world are you
><going to fit all that in in less than 2 hours...
><
><Oliver Bosnjakovski
>
>
>The only "soccer" coverage I saw in the 1988 Olympics on Yankee TV (was it
>ABC's coverage then?) was that the cameras panned the crowd at half-time
>of the Gold Medal match.  Perhaps NBC will screw us similarly?  :-(
>
Naah, panning the crowd is far too much soccer to show an American
audience. After all, all soccer fans, by definition, are hooligans.
You wouldn't want to subject the U.S. to hooligans would you?

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 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: michaelt@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Michael Tipping)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Horse standing on a football
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:02:21 GMT
Reply-To: michaelt@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <673@dsbc.icl.co.uk> sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
>Any Ipswich Town fans around?

No, I believe most of them have been rounded up by now.

>Mart
>
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From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What the Dream Team Hopes to Prove
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:21:36 GMT

From article <9207281416.AA26422@BlackHole.hisoft.com>, by james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong):
> The NBA wants to expand into Europe.  FIBE wants a World Cup, with 
> each league remaining within national boundaries.  By sending the best
> of the NBA, the US is showing the world exactly how far behind they
> are in basketball.  The hope is that it will show that any World Cup
> will be a farce, and it is better for the Europeans if they permit 
> NBA expansion into Europe.

Huh?  The only two successful pro franchises that feature more foreign 
than native players are the Montreal Expos and the Toronto Blue Jays,
(I`ll leave it up to the reader to decide whether Canada and the US
are really foreign countries).  Oh, and there's also the NHL where
Canada and the US also share hockey players.  So, based on past evidence,
NBA expansion into Europe just ain't gonna fly, unless there are a lot
of quality European players.

And this is what the Dream Team is all about.  To get every little boy
and girl in Europe dreaming about basketball so that 10-15 years down
the road there are enough quality European players to support a league
that rivals the NBA.  The players chosen for the Dream Team are the 
most popular players rather than the best players.  The brouha over the 
Barkley incident and its castigation by the Team itself indicates that 
good publicity rather than smashing victory is the goal of the Team.  
They want to popularize a sport by playing the most exciting and entertaining 
brand of basketball possible.  Fast breaks, high-flying jams, and
acrobatic passes are what the Dream Team is selling.

To relate this to soccer, I would claim that the entertaining, showboating
style of the Brazilians in the 50s, 60s, and 70s made soccer the world sport.
They made it fun and entertaining to watch with an awesome display of talent
and skill.  So think of the Dream Team as the '70 Brazilian world cup 
side: great skill, great entertainment, and responsible for raising the 
sport to a new level of popularity.

Curtis Dyreson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman)
Subject: Re: among the thugs
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:52:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.160818.6513@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:
>In article <YePNTGi00Uzx42WHAS@andrew.cmu.edu> "Paul M. Smith" <ps2g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I'm new to this bboard as of July, so excuse me if this one's already
>>been done:  If anyone out there has read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs,
>>I'm interested in collecting responses to it. The thing is, I have to do
>>a review of it for an electronic journal, Postmodern Culture, and
>>thought it would be valuably postmodern, not to mention nicely cultural,
>>to see what netnews folk had to say about it.
>>
>I must admit that I haven't read the book, but I did hear Buford
>discussing it on National Public Radio's "Fresh Air". My impression
>was very much that here was another guy who wanted to be taken in by
>the American media's belief that every English soccer fan is a
>hooligan etc etc. What set him off on the hooligan trail was,
>apparently, the horror of a bunch of Liverpool supporters chanting
>"Liverpool, Liverpool" on a train in Wales. Real hard core
>hooliganism that...
>
>Interestingly, the only actual violence described by Buford on the
>program was that perpetrated by Italian police on English fans (and
>himself) during Italia '90. Maybe the book is rather more interesting
>than I suspect it is, but from the evidence I've heard I wouldn't risk
>treating it as an authoritative reference on English soccer
>hooliganism. 

Well Colin, I have read the book, and it's pretty good. In fact he is
clear on the distinction between "hooligans" and "real fans". Also, he
really did go around with many "hooligans" over a period of several
years. I think it is fair to say that he was involved in, or saw some
hard core hooliganism.

What is really interesting in the book are the discussions of mob
behaviour. I think that the book helps you see what it is like to be
part of a mob, to feel part of the team.

The book has a kinda 80s feel to it; it seems to belong to the past
already. We don't seem to hear so much about hooliganism nowadays.
Apart that is from Americans who say: "You like soccer, urg, are you
a FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN?".

So, a question, why did it take an American to write such a good
book about a soccer related subject?

-Andrew
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Ingres, an ASK company, 1080 Marina Village Parkway, Alameda, California 94501
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: holzsche@prl.philips.nl (Con Holzscherer)
Subject: Re: Bundesliga Transfers
Keywords: players
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:20:12 GMT

In article <psima01.711709635@convex> M. Maisack writes:

>the new "Kicker Sonderheft Bundesliga" has just appeared.
>It costs 7 DM , and, as usual, should be read when the season is
>over, to get the most amusement out of the predictions ;-)

 The same (?) information can be found in the "Fussball Sport Extra
Bundesliga Sonderausgabe", which costs only 6 DM!


>let's check on the new players:

 you forgot some important ones!!

>Stuttgart: Strunz from Bayern, Golke from Nuernberg, 
>      Sammer went to Inter
       Kastl got no new contract
>Dortmund: Reuter from Juve, Sippel from Frankfurt
       Bebeto (Brasilian topscorer and international) 
         came from Vasco da Gama, Zelic from Australia
>      Breitzke goes to D-dorf
       Helmer goes to Bayern (8 MDM!)
>Frankf: Rahn from D'dorf, 
>      Moeller goes to Turin
       Sippel goes to Borussia Dortmund
>Koeln: Christofte from Denmark, Giske back to Bergen, Goetz to Galatasaray
 Kaisers-
>Lautern : Marin from Kickers Stuttgart,
       Jan Eriksson from Norrkoeping
       Scherr to Schalke, Kranz to Uerdingen
>Karlsruhe:  Bender from Bayern, 
       Kirjakow from Dynamo Moscow
       Scholl went to Bayern (6 MDM!)
>      Harforth to Duisburg
>Bremen: Beiersdorfer from HSV
       Herzog from Rapid Vienna
>Bayern: Jorginho from Leverkusen, Helmer form Dortmund, Scholl from KSC
>    Schupp from Wattenscheid
>    Effenberg and Laudrup to Fiorentina, Pfluegler back to the amateurs,
       Struntz to Stuttgart, Bender to KSC
>Schalke: Scherr from Lautern,
     Bueskens and Hey (both) from Fortuna Duesseldorf
>HSV: Spies from Rostock,
     Weichert from Rostock, Lechkov and Dotchev (both) from Sofia
     Beiersdorfer from Werder
>Gladbach: Moelby and Nielsen from Denmark, Norbert Meier becomes youth coach
>Bochum : Moutas from Stuttgarter Kickers,
     Kim Joo-Sung from Korea
>Wattenscheid: Lesniak from Leverk, Kula from Stgt Kickers
     Schupp to Bayern
>Saarbruecken: Glesius (KSC), Wuttke from Espanol, 
     Wynalda from USA, Sawitchew from Olympiakos and
>      Stefan Beckenbauer (son of the famous...)
     Preetz to Duisburg
  
>
>this list is by no means complete, just the (imho) most important ones.

   Now it is some more complete



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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers/Celtic Match in August
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:51:00 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


	In a few weeks the first Rangers//Celtic game of the season will
take place at Ibrox Stadium.  In response to the vandalism of the 
Broamloan Road stand, Celtic fans will be charged 14 pounds for the priveldge
of a seat. However this priviledge does not extend to removing the seat
from the stand or indeed causing untold damage to the toilet facilities
even allowing for the fact that Celtic may achieve a rare victory.

Sandy Mackinnon
Univ of Strathclyde
Glasgow

cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: denmark vs ghana
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:28:32 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen) writes:


>from the glimpses we had on norwegian TV last night it looked like 
>Ghana should have taken this one. lots of great chances with players
>being alone with the danish goalkeeper. it looked like ghana had some
>really fast players - denmark had a shot in the bar (deflected free kick).
>i hope Ghana go through - they played some very attractive soccer in this one 
>ahh - and the danish goalie was excellent - specially in one on one situations.

The match was so that Denmark had many attacks while Ghana had fewer but more
dangerous attacks. So in a 3 minute highlights show Ghana would look a lot
better than Denmark. Again in this match Denmark had some good chances in
the start of the halves - after 5 minutes Molnar had a very big chance,
but instead of shooting direct on goal (goalkeeper would have been chance
less) he decided to shoot in an angle of 45 degrees and thus hitting a
white shirt instead.

Ghana proved themselves to be much better than Mexico and really shouldn't
have any problems advancing. Denmark was playing better than against Mexico
and should be able to send Australia back home.

>it sure did not look like the 'usual 0-0 game'.

No, something like 2-2 would have been more appropriate.
-- 
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rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: African Tournament
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:15:34 GMT
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Ghana will host Nigeria and Senegal and hopefully South Africa in a four team
warn up tournament for WC qualifying.  South Africa has not yet accepted the
invitation to play. Ivory Coast supposedly showed no interest in the
tournament.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: herb@beograd.ks.uiuc.edu (Markus Herb)
Subject: US Olympic Soccer - Team
Reply-To: Barca
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:01:08 GMT

Hi!
Does anybody know, if Tom Dooley from the german Bundesliga
team 1.FC Kaiserslautern is going to play for the USA at
the Olympics and if not, why ? He was supposed to play
, but I cant find him in any lists.

Thanks

      Markus
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Official Judge and Jury
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:49:12 GMT

Francis,

	In fact, the referee and linesman have paid a very large price, having
been (I'm told) removed from the FIFA list. That would be quite a disgrace.

	HOWEVER! I do NOT agree that Maradona is being persecuted unjustly. He
was not caught by the officials, but in the worlds eyes he has proved himself 
to be less than a sportsman by acknowledging he cheated and then showed quite 
a bit of disregard for himself and soccer with all the drug business.

	Philosophy : When half or more of the world adores you, you are held 
to a higher standard. Poor Diego does not sell here. He took every action 
deliberately, including using drugs. His problem, not ours. (Although you're 
right, the ref and linesman did not do good.)

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympic Soccer results
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:08:59 GMT
Organization: Flinders University
Originator: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au


Group D
Ghana 3 d Australia 1
Scorers G: Mohammed Gargo, Kwame Ayew 2 A: Tony Vidmar

Denmark 1 drew with Mexico 1
Scorers D: Claus Thomsen M: Francisco Zavala

Group C
Morocco 1 drew with South Korea 1
Scorers M: Ahmed Bahja SK: Chung Jae-kwon

Sweden 0 drew with Paraguay 0

Group A
Italy 2 d USA 1
I:A.Melli, D.Albertini USA: J.Moore

Poland 2 d Kuwait 0
P: A.Juskowiak 2

Group B
Spain 4 d Colombia 0
S: Guardiola, Quico, Berges, Enrique

Qatar 1 d Egypt 0
Q: M.Nooralla

Further results as they come to hand.

Next games are 
USA v Kuwait     - toss up
Colombia v Qatar - probably Qatar
Italy v Poland   - should be a great match
Spain v Egypt    - Spain should bag a few more.

Cheers, Geoff.
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE:Diego: Hand of God.  NOT !!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:39:09 GMT

Vlad,

	The world of being a FIFA referee is quite comlpicated. The why's and 
wherefores of errors boil down to only a few factors - the most important of 
which may be honest error (through several causes, certainly), but errors made
honestly.

	RE: Maradona'a handling. The referee had no view of the incident and 
the linesman failed to indicate (if he saw it) And that, gentleman, is a part 
of the game. If ANYONE on this list feels that referees cheat, I would suggest
they give me a call at (512)522-5389 central standard time, USA.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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