From: jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel")
Subject: Re: A question for any MALE prolifer
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:32:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.192529.16503@liebe.uucp> kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin  
Brawley) writes:
> jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel") writes:
> >Of course you're pro-life; you want the fetus to be born whether the  
woman
> >wants it to or not, and, if somehow given a well-enough developed brain  
to  
> >assess the situation of itself, the woman, and others involved, whether  
> >the fetus _itself_ would want to live or not.
> 
> Please structure a coherent sentence.  I can't respond to nonsense.

I responded to you, didn't I? OK, then...let's assume that a fetus _is_ an  
actual human being (meaning it has a brain developed well enough to think  
and other fun stuff). Not all born, thinking humans want to live. How on  
earth can you know whether a fetus would want to live?

> >> >...pro-lifers
> >> >often argue that a woman has a physical responsibility to the z/e/f
> >> >(that's zygote/embryo/fetus) which she has helped to concieve.
> >>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ add child/baby/infant also 
> > 
> >If we add child/baby/infant, that knocks out the choice of adoption.
> >Dan King, we have a winner! (See "Isn't adoption an escape from
> >responsibility?") 
> 
> More nonsense.

If a woman gives her baby up for adoption, she ditches her "physical  
responsibility." Or is she just responsible for pumping 'em out and  
nothing else?

> >> Responsibility cannot be "equal" due to the nature of pregnancy. 
> 
> >..which is part of the nature of a woman, of course. Let me guess,  
there  
> >are _other_ things which cannot be equal due to the nature of the  
wo/man,
> >right, pal?
> 
> Right gal.  Alright answer this:  A man get's kicked in the groin by a
> woman.  A judge decides that YOU have to respond to her in an 
> "equivalent"
> fashion.  What would you do?   (hint: women don't have testicles) 

Kick her in the crotch, as well. It's nice to know that you're obsessed  
with men's sexual organs as well as those of women.

> >> Hence the
> >> male responsiblity has to come in the form of financial and emotional
> >> support. 
> 
> >I don't want a man's money. And those men who have been able to give me 
> >real emotional support are those who have respected my choice to not  
> >define my life by the output of my baby factory.
> 
> You did that to yourself.  Quit blaming other people with the 
> fashionable "I'm a victim" hogwash.

When did I say THAT? I am neither mother nor victim, and am doing my best  
to keep it that way. My point was that if a man really loved me, he  
wouldn't insist that I breed.

> >> Oh well!  Since Nora points out that Nazi analogies are incorrect  
they 
> >> are incorrect???  I sense a bit of Nora-worship here.  The Nazi 
> >> analogies
> >> are valid, much as you hate them (and they must be cause KEVIN said  
so).
> 
> >Along similar lines, why don't we make a movie, "The Silent Part,"
> >of a brush ripping out a defenseless hair from its sanctuary of a root 
> >;)
> 
> Ouch!  Bet the hair doesn't struggle to get away from the brush.  The
> baby human struggles till the bitter end.

How do you know that's not just a reflex? And I again ask you, if an  
unborn baby were able to choose to be born, how are you so certain that 
it would say yes?

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    Jenni McDaniel, Indiana University, Department of Psychology
"All we ever look for: a god...a drug...a great big hug." -KaTe Bush
 Big ol' IU taking the opinions of one undergrad?!? Yeah, right....