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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:06:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:

>In article <SFD.92Jul22104745@bezier.neuromancer.metaphor.com> sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com (Scott Drellishak) writes:

>At warp 9, the time-space "shock cone" has almost zero angle, and is directly
>lined up behind the fed ship (much like the shock cone of a mind-bogglingly
>hypersonic aircraft).  The fed ship has already shot through the formation,
>loosed torps, and left.  The imperial warships not smashed to bits will only
>know where the fed was, if the fed travels on far enough before turning around,
>they will not know about the second pass until thfed has fired again.   

In a universe where the hyperdrive superseded the warp drive (and I confess that
I think this idea makes perfect sense given the nature of the two technologies,
and considering that the MF had to use *something* to get to Bespin.) detecting
a warp ship would be trivial.

You say that if the SW Universe had developed warp drives, they would use them
in combat... Perhaps there is some countermeasure which renders the warp drive
useless... I'm wondering just what a device which restored "warped" sections
of space-time to their normal state would have on a ship which was in such
a "warped" region.

>For this to work, the imperial has to know where the fed is to predict where
>it will be, and the imperial cannot know this, or they would have blown away
>the Millenium Falcon in ANH (lasers were developed from radar microwave
>sources, no reason for phasers not to have been developed from subspace 
>sensors, and I cannot imagine the imperials passing up on a potential
>weapon).  

In ANH, the Death Star had no reason to kill the MF when it first arrived...
they wanted to recover the droids intact, or at least to know whether they were
on board, or whether it was another false clue.

When the MF escaped, the Impies were tracking it, to find out where the Rebel
Base was.

In the final battle scene, it seemed to me that Han fired at the TIE fighters,
and then moved out of range of the surface batteries ASAP. Certainly, he
kept his distance.

Why would the Impies want phasers? Do you jump up and down screaming because the
Marines in Aliens don't seem to know about bows and arrows?



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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:48:56 GMT

Well, a lot of people, some a lot more important than others:

* Mon Mothma -- *the* rebel leader, after all

* several droids at the sandcrawler, though they didn't lend
  themselves to figures (FX-7 didn't either, but it was a figure!)

* Owen & Beru

* Biggs :^)

* Wedge (and all the other pilots)

* the spy following Luke & Ben thru Mos Eisley to the Falcon

Who are some others? 

Scott
From: talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Just how much of SW did Lucas make up as he
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:03:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Jul29.080433.16481@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk writes:
>>I always saw the Vader/Luke relationship as being a little contrived,
>>it always looked like an afterthought or something designed to shock an 
>>audience. Concidering the carefull characterisation of the first film    
>>it seems strange that Luke reacts so violently to the news. It's almost
>>like Lucas is using that grief to distract the audience from what is a
>>major plot twist. It's as if HE didn't believe it would stand up to close
>>scutiny.
>
>Too right, I still can't believe he intended Ben to be such a sneaky liar!
>The plot definately changed course between ANH & SW.

I don't think when Ben did in ANH would be called lying.  What Ben tells Luke
is very consistent with the facts.  If memory serves, Ben tells Luke that his
father was "betrayed and murdered" by a young Jedi he was training who was
seduced by the Dark Side of the Force.  The facts were that Ben was in the
process of training Anakin when the latter was turned to the Dark Side by
Palpatine.  In Ben's eyes, by turning to the Dark Side, Anakin betrayed all
that he stood for as a Jedi Knight.  The fact that he says he is murdered
should not be taken literally; it was more of a symbolic murder.

Also, Uncle Owen mentions that he is afraid that Luke does have "too much of
his father in him."  One could argue that Owen is aware of Anakin's seduction
to the Dark Side and that he doesn't want Luke to follow down the same path.
Owen's refusal to let Luke communicate with Ben helps support this conclusion.

I am unsure whether Lucas knew that Vader was Luke's father in ANH, but I
believe it is consistent with the first film (and one of my favorite aspects of
the trilogy!).

>>Strangely I accepted the Luke/Leia relationship more easily. Every writer
>>...
>I never liked that either. I mean Luke has major hots for Leia in ANH but
>doesn't seem at all disapointed to get rid of her to Han.

While I still have trouble with the fact that Luke and Leia are brother and
sister, I have no problems with Luke's changing attitude toward Leia.  As he
grew closer to and learned more about her, his feelings toward her changed.

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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:20:40 GMT

In article <91761@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>
>About a shuttlecraft penetrating the shields and beaming parts of DS away:
>
>A shuttlecraft is not as maneuverable as an X-wing and will be shot down
>immediately. Also, the Feds (and Klingons, Romulans, too) never used
>transporter as a weapon, thus there must be a problem somewhere.
>
We have only negative evidence of a shuttles maneuverability.  If you only
saw F-15's flown as though they were airliners, you would have no indication
of their agility.  

The effectiveness of the first Death Star's shields, and of imperial shields
in general, still lend credence to the conclusion that they inadequitely 
screen the Death Star from phasers, photon torpedoes, and transporter delivered
anti-matter bombs.  Besides, it was a FULLY OPERATIONAL Death Star [emphasis
mine], and the Millenium Falcon still penetrated its useless shields.   

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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:30:14 GMT

In article <BruMxE.MBy@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>The SSD passed right through the shields and caused extensive, if local,
>damage to the Death Star.  If the Death Star has holes in its shielding
>large enough to pass the Millenium Falcon, it has holes large enough to
>pass photon torpedoes, anti-matter bombs delivered via transporter, or
>any other destructive device that the Feds chose to use.   

Wait... the Executor (the SSD) didn't pass right through the shields...
As i recall, at that point Han & Co. had taken out the shield generator
on the surface, and the DS was vulnerable.  Furthermore, the MF & other
starfighters COULDNT get through the shields - you recall the first attack
run, where Lando screams for everyone to pull up, that the shields are
still there... perhaps, im adlibbing, but i seem to recall that one or
two fighters DIDNT make it, and exploded on contact with the shields..
Anybody back me on this one?  I don't have my tapes here...  :-(

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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
Subject: Re: How many days was TESB? (was Re: How many days was Star Wars?)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:30:56 GMT

In a previous article, nab4574@sigma.tamu.edu (The Lord Reigns) says:
>Try to do the same thing with TESB (enumerate each day's events): 
>Unless you can drag the Falcon/Empire episode longer (max a few days), 
>it sure makes it hard to have Luke on Degobah for as long as the movie
>gives you the impression that it was (seemed like at least two or three
>weeks).

In article <1992Jul23.001846.5610@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>It was my impression that it was at least a month or so.  Luke
>trained on Dagobah, and the Falcon limped along to Bespin on sublight
>engines.

There's 2 discontinuities in the storyline:
      (1) The time between when the Falcon was dumped with the Imperial
          garbage and headed off to Bespin, and when it arrived at Bespin
      (2) The time between when they were taken in by Lando C3PO was blasted,
          and when C3PO was found and everyone was "invited" to dinner.

These are where the time passed.
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 'Prune Face', real edits, and other bogosity
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:14:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul29.234444.4494@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>1) Where is 'Prune Face' in RotJ? I *swear* I've never ever seen him.
>   Is he with Jabba, or with the Rebels? I have the backing card
>   for that figure, but can't place the background.

I think he's with the rebels. Check out the hooded guys sitting around the 
Death Star hologram.

-joshuali@usc.edu



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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: TIMELINE
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:57:55 GMT

gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
: 	I was also under the impression that the Empire never fully disbanded
: the Senate--Just manipulated and changed it.

Well, Tarkin told them at that DS conference that the Emperor had disbanded 
the senate...

Scott
From: jerry.farris@matrix.sbs.com (Jerry Farris) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: STAR WARS QUESTION
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: jerry.farris@matrix.sbs.com (Jerry Farris) 

Hello, I'm a Star Wars cellector and I'm wondering if any of you have a
current price list as to the values of action figures and toys.

BTW, there's an action figure that is mistery to me. It's the
"Death Squad Commander". I've seen this figure listed in several price
guides, but he is not listed on the back of any of the cards I can find.
I've looked on Empire, Both versions of Jedi, and the Power of the Force
cards. Can somone please tell me what it is about this figure?

                                     thanks,

                                        Jerry
                                                                    
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Just how much of SW did Lucas make up as he went along??????
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:12:28 GMT

It does look like he did develop the plot as he went along.

It doesn't surprise me -- writers are always revising things
and having ideas and changing them.

Where can one get 'the Star Wars Portfolio'?

I think the brother-sister thing was a *late* breaking re-write
twist -- Leia was smootching Luke in ESB. Not a brother/sister type
kiss at all... still, they wouldn't *know* ... 

I think personally the 'there is another' line by Yoda was a 
last minute splice too :)

I wish there was more Han Solo -- either films or books about him.
(other than Daley's 3)

Scott

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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:28:18 GMT


tmkst6+@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek) writes:

>I think that what Lucas is really trying to do
>is to give us some way of seeing how we can have both at once.  Or maybe
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^
>he's trying to show that the technology is not the important thing, but
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that people are.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bingo. According to the documentary "From Star Wars to Jedi," this is
exactly the message Lucas wanted to convey with the trilogy: that the
human spirit is more important than the most advanced technology.

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          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)
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From: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Subject: Re: Death Star's gun
Reply-To: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:47:51 GMT


In a previous article, rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin) says:

>
>     Anybody have any info / speculation on just what the Death Star's planet
>buster is? (Say, anybody with the RPG Death Star supplement?)
>
>     Personally, I think it's some form of antiparticle beam, judging from the
>way Alderaan exploded. But that's just a guess.
>

hmmm...could be...

but it could also be an ILM SPECIAL EFFECT!!!!

	-J
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From: joshuali@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 14:32:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun80.usc.edu

In article <nudnik.712347057@camelot> nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.154054.11724@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:

>>How about Salacious Crumb? Is there a Dickens allusion that I'm missing in
>>his name?

>he/she/it was included in the 
>Jabba the Hutt Playset [trademark of LucasFilm Ltd]
>my source?  i OWNED the thing.  ;)

I don`t think that he meant he wishes they made it I think he is including
it as his most/least favorite creatures.

-joshuali@usc.edu


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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:15:52 GMT


In a previous article, joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) says:

>Please tell me that YOU said that and not Vader. 
>
>"Asteroids do not concern me Admiral, I want that ship NOT excuses."

Then there's what David Prowse was actuallyaying ...

"Hemorhoids do not concern me, Admiral, I need to sh*t."

It's true, really!  From Prowe's own mouth!

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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Date: 31 Jul 1992 10:22:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <39eZ02SJ1cnh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>
>I would agree with this completely.  It makes sense that people know who their
>leaders are, the same way that most people know what George Bush looks like
>(as an earlier post pointed out).  

Vader was NOT that high ranking in ANH (IMHO). It seemed as though he 
followed Tarkin around like a little puppy.  Remember how the committee
in the circular room treated him? (Motti I mean [or was it Tagge? I always
get the two mixed up) Tarkin sounded like he had to stick up for Vader.
"Lord Vader will provide us with the location of the rebel base by the time
this station becomes operational...."
Remember how much time elapsed between ANH and ESB. YEARS. That's enough
time for Vader to make his way to the top.
Luke's reaction to Kenobi's story hit me in this manner:
	Luke thinking......"Darth Vader....I think I've heard of him 
			Uncle Owen lied to me!"

		or *possably*

		"Darth Vader? HE killed my father? He was once a JEDI?"

I'm not saying that Luke didn't know who Vader was I just saying that
it is not vital for him to know who he was. It could go either way.
You have to remember that a lot happened between ANH and ESB.  Much more
than between ESB and ROTJ. The encounter at Ord Mandell(sp)  is just
once incident, who knows what else happened? And who knows what Luke knew
as a farmboy?  Owen may have kept Luke sheltered from any political info
that was in the air.  If Owen knew that Vader is Anakin or even if he
thought Vader killed Anakin, either way I think Owen would keep Vader's
name out of Luke's life.

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Date: 29 Jul 1992 15:42:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>
>Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
>I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....

Somewhere in the Hoth base. I can't say because I don't know exactly where.
There is a Topps card with the real 3PO standing next to the white 3PO.

-joshuali@usc.edu

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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL)
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:22:00 GMT

In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes...
>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
>oxygen to support combustion.

	Well,the answer is that 1. there is a great deal of fuel on the
   spacecrafts that blow up  and 2. The oxygen is in the ship.
	...or the ship could be  propelled with a O2/fuel mixture.

>Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
> 
>Peter

	The real question is how does the explosion make all that noise.
    Sound wave need a medium to travel through in order to be heard.

---Am I right?

  Daniel			elee9tv@jetson.uh.edu


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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:22:53 GMT

In article <l7dtvbINN1ia@girtab.usc.edu> joshuali@girtab.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.161839.6058@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>
>>Ding! and control of the board goes to Joshua. Salacious Crumb *IS*
>>one of my least favourite characters. So, for 100 points, and a chance
>>at the living room suite, where does the name come from? It seems
>>awfully English.
>
>No clue but the little guy has a middle initial (forgot where I heard it)
>
>His full name is Salacious B. Crumb. (I am being serious)

Okay, from _The Random House College Dictionary_:

salacious, adj.  1. lustful or lecherous.  2. (of writings, pictures,
etc.) obscene; grossly indecent.  --Syn.  1. lewd, wanton, lascivious,
libidinous.  2. pornographic

Of course, you probably knew that.  And you should know what a crumb
is :-)  But, just in case you were wondering...

Joe
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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: M-tv vs. star wars
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:06:08 GMT

i have the video on tape (why i dont know, it gets on your
nerves after a short while). i remember during some kind
of documentary on RotJ on pbs they showed the making of the
song with the puppets and all. also they sang the english
lyrics (some aerobics(sp) song i think... that was worse
than the video).

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:08:20 GMT

joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:

: 	Hydrospanners.

They made hydrospanners -- came with the Vehicle Maintainence 
Energizer.

Now if I could only find a Falcon to put those suction cups on ...

Scott
From: joshuali@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: stupid/cool
Keywords: yes, more
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:27:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun80.usc.edu

In article <1181@niktow.canisius.edu> setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead) writes:
>
>The stupid thing I thought of while reading the stuff about action figures.
>Did anybody else think that most of the commercials for those were pretty
>lame?

What about that cheesy music? It was so close to the SW theme yet it was 
totally different.  Even though it is totally different, if you played
the commercial music for anybody they would say it's from SW.

-Josh