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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Date: 26 Sep 1992 12:29:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep24.093029.21394@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
>there are certain other companies who do, or have forced
>you to use their os's. [...] and another did and still makes typewriters.

I assume you're referring to IBM with the typewriter reference. They spun off
the typewriter subsidiary several months ago. How did they force you to use
their OS?

>MS's apps do run on OS/2, in windows mode.  Why should MS be forced to 
>port them.  If that's the case, then maybe OS/2 should be forced onto
>the MAC, Kind of the same deal.

Because it's just another of MS's ways to use unfair competition to give their
OS products an undeserved lead. I, for one, wouldn't be squawking if 1) OS/2
was dying, instead of taking off like the proverbial rocket, and 2) MS wasn't
busy _removing_ support for OS/2 from their products.

This whole thing reminds me of the body cart scene in _Monty Python and the
Holy Grail_: "I'm not dead yet!"

>Let us work on things that the market wants us to work on, not on
>what a few special interest groups with lawers want us to work on.
>(there may be a market that want's Word on OS/2, but there is a bigger
>market that want's other things).

What happened to Bill Gates' promise that MS would do OS/2 apps if there were
two million copies out there? That number is fast approaching...or is he going
to break that promise too?
(Not that I care; I use WordStar and 1-2-3, the latter for compatibility with
my HP95LX.)

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From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:57:05 GMT

I'm sure we've all enjoyed this thread, but it clearly does not belong
in .apps.  Please direct all followups to .advocacy.

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
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From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:22:28 GMT

tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley) writes:

>In article <gyan.717617847@unixg.ubc.ca> gyan@unixg.ubc.ca (Gyan P. Sinha) writes:
>>In <mg.717572342@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:
>>
>>>Example: open drives, and move config.sys to the desktop ... on the next boot,
>>                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>you die. I actually did it, by mistake, so I can edit the file.... 
>>
>>		[Stuff deleted for brevity]
>>If you move your config.sys to the desktop, you have in effect moved it
>>out of your root directory of the boot drive and into a subdirectory,i.e
>>OS2! 2.0 Desktop. If OS/2 can't find the config.sys file, why shouldn't
>>it crash on bootup? You may as well have deleted config.sys, for all it's
>>concerned.
>>
>>Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, can someone shed some light on
>>this?

>Basically, you've got it right, but the point he's trying to make is that
>it's too easy to do this under OS/2, if you don't understand the system.
>Heck, though, even dos is the same if you don't know what you're doing.  A
>friend of mine deleted command.com off his computer because "it was taking
>up space on the hard drive".

Out of curiosity, what does a Mac do if you move some vital stuff out
of the System folder?

The biggest problem I have right now with WPS is that it's so damn hard
to tell the difference between an actual file from the Drives object
and a program object generated from the templates.  I thought I was
being really smart by making icons by draging shadows of programs
from the drives object.  Then I renamed them (to get rid of the .exe
and make the name english) and the program wouldn't run.  It took me
a while but I figured out that in renaming the shadow, I had renamed
the actual file so the OS didn't know it was an executable program
anymore (no .exe ending).

The Mac has no program objects, just the files and programs themselves
so you don't have this problem.  Windows makes a clear distinction
between the two, in fact so clear that it's useless for file management
(which is why Windows comes with a File Manager program).  I'd like to
see WPS head in the direction of the Mac.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
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From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:10:33 GMT

>In <mg.717572342@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:
>
>>I'll second that. I almost like the WPS, which must mean that the average user
>>won't ... There are far too many options, and it is far too easy to crash
>>the system with them.
>
>>Example: open drives, and move config.sys to the desktop ... on the next boot,
>                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>you die. I actually did it, by mistake, so I can edit the file.... 
>

Yup...  Shadowing things is much safer.  I changed named of files by
"duplicating" them then deleting the wrong duplicate.  OS2 knew the
difference, and if I'd looked in the settings I'd have known the duplicate had
a different filename...  

Now I have shadows of items everywhere... I only have one case that fails.
A DOS item that if I move the original to the desktop, it works... But a
shadow has odd problems.  Like a dos setting isn't shadowed or something.

jc
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Directory Manager 2.0 now available
Date: 27 Sep 1992 08:32:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

I have uploaded a copy of QB software's Directory Manager 2.0 to
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  It can be found in the uploads directory for now
(dirman20.zip).  It is shareware.

Directory Manager 2.0 is a 32 bit WPS compatible PM program that works
similar to Norton Commander for DOS.  It supports drag'n'drop on the
desktop, does all the usual file manager stuff like copy, move,
rename, execute, make directory, print, search, view, clone, delete,
etc.  It allows macros to be defined to act on selected files,
launches OS/2 and DOS apps from a command line, and allows quick
access to files on your hard drive.  Files can be sorted by date,
size, name, extension, etc.  and in ascending or descending order.
You can choose to have a new file window pop-up every time you change
directories, or you can choose to recycle the file windows that
currently exist.

All functions can be accessed using the mouse or the keyboard. 

I am not connected in any way with QB software however I did extensive
beta testing for this new version.  If you are looking for a Norton
Commander equivalent for OS/2, I suggest you give it a try.

-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright)
Subject: Re: CSD Available?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:16:12 GMT

In article <9ghzhvm@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>A friend of mine told me the CSD upgrade disk is available from IBM, and
>gave me a number to call;  I haven't called yet; does anyone know if the
>CSD (with the Windows 3.1 support) is ready for shipping yet?
>
>...Paul
>
>

 The latest from IBM is Oct 1 to Oct 15.....



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 ________Greg Wright____________   "Sure my YMP is fast, but if it doesn't
|  gregory@bcstec.boeing.com    |   run OS2 I don't need it....."
|     gregory@halcyon.com       |                             
|____uunet!bcstec!gregory_______|               NOT A BOEING SPOKESPERSON.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mcrocker@titan.ucc.umass.edu (MATTHEW S CROCKER)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.032056@IASTATE.EDU> amah@IASTATE.EDU () writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.232036.21836@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
>tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley) writes:
>> In article <gyan.717617847@unixg.ubc.ca> gyan@unixg.ubc.ca (Gyan P. Sinha)
>writes:
>> >In <mg.717572342@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:
>> >
>
>        (Stuff Deleted)
>
>
>> >If you move your config.sys to the desktop, you have in effect moved it
>> >out of your root directory of the boot drive and into a subdirectory,i.e
>> >OS2! 2.0 Desktop. If OS/2 can't find the config.sys file, why shouldn't
>> >it crash on bootup? You may as well have deleted config.sys, for all it's
>> >concerned.
>> >
>
>I agree 100%. Everyday a few of the computers in our lab hang up because of this
>problem. Some students save  their files in root directories and later delete
>them by using " del *.*".
>
>Although we have notices in lab asking them not to do this, it keeps happening
>at least on a couple of computers each day.
>
>
>Max.
>
Um......

   attrib +r config.sys
   atrrib +r autoexec.bat

 I though everybody did this...

(using dual boot this will not work.... so create a .bat file to
 remove the write protection before calling boot /dos)

although its is a pain when you have to edit your config.sys file
but home many times do you do that?????

-Matt

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: HPFS BACKUP
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:33:46 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <69823@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (McGaugh) writes:
>>Also, in the shareware arena, there's OBackup Version 3.40.  You can
>>get it via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.
>Where did you find a 3.40 version of OBackup?  I looked on hobbes,
>and the latest version is 1.24, and it is useless since it has
>expired (crippleware).

It is below /pub/uploads (somewhere).

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | The OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST is avail. from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/faq.
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: link386 pro (golf game by Access)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:00:51 GMT

i28x1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.074147.21562@cvedc.prime.com>,
>billt@cvedc.prime.com (Bill Tracy) writes: 
>> Link386 Pro, by Access, looks to be a great golf game.  But how does it work
>> with OS/2?  As it expects a 386 and SVGA, I am concerned that it may use a 

>That's something I've been sort of wondering too... can OS/2 run programs that
>expect to be running on a 386 in a DOS box?  If so how?  

If the app conforms to DPMI 0.9 specs it will run under OS/2.  A good
example is the Persistence of Vision raytracer, a DOS386 program that
works under both Windows and OS/2.  Hopefully, OS/2 will be updated
to DPMI 1.0 soon so those of us with a vested interest in AutoCAD r12
can play solitaire instead of waiting for screen redraws.
-- 
John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
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uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Extended memory
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:35:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct3.173522.21990
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Oct2.225153.11716@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
>When I run a DOS app that can use extended memory, does OS/2 do the management
>for me or am I supposed to load a memory manager like Qemm?

OS/2 handles it (DPMI, XMS, and/or EMS).  You can toss QEMM.  Better
yet, sell it and raise some extra cash.  :-)

-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/faq.
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
of Chicago, 60637       | Family Values Means a Job
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com (Greg Wust)
Subject: Cat and Mouse
Originator: sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:14:24 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.



I saw a program running on a demo machine last week
that had a Cat chasing the mouse cursor on the OS/2 Desktop (catching
it, napping if it didn't move, etc.).  I have since been informed this
was a program called Neko which I got but it is a Windows program that
when run, restricts the cat to a window and not free roaming the desktop.
Is there a setting for this or an OS/2 version of the program?

Thanks.  Greg

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From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 02:31:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.032056@IASTATE.EDU> amah@IASTATE.EDU () writes:
>I agree 100%. Everyday a few of the computers in our lab hang up because of this
>problem. Some students save  their files in root directories and later delete
>them by using " del *.*".
>
>Although we have notices in lab asking them not to do this, it keeps happening
>at least on a couple of computers each day.

It is totally a matter of organization. In our lab, all program files
are kept on a C: drive. It is impossible to put files on the C: drive.
There is another D: drive for user files. The root directory of D: is
erased at every bootup.

-- 
Steve Lumos - slumos@cs.unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Subject: Re: Softerm and default directory
Keywords: Softterm, directory change ,Settings
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:58:33 GMT

brokow@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Brokowski) writes:

>In article <unruh.717454242@physics.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
>>I've been using the OS2 softterm for my terminal emulation. One of the
>>annoying features is that they have \os2\apps as the default directrory
>>for downloads etc. I went to change that setting, entered my new default


>I changed my default path in the way you describe (Settings-System 
>Environment...-System Environment Settings) and it worked.  However,
>... I had to click in the stupid Directory
>box to work my way around.  Try that ...
That worded - Thanks
(Why can't you type in?????)

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From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Corel Draw 2.5 for OS/2 2.0
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:36:32 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

I had the opportunity to install Corel Draw v2.5 on a friends OS/2 v2.0
machine yesterday, and am somewhat confused about something.  First of
all, let me say that it is a wonderful program.  Most of CD3.0 for Windows'
features have been incorporated into v2.5 for OS/2.  It actually includes
Photopaint with it, but unfortunately, Photopaint is NOT a native OS/2
application.  So all of you that trashed WinOS/2 won't be able to use 
Corel's Photopaint package without reinstalling Windows.  Yes, this annoys
the hell out of me as well.  This is supposedly an OS/2 program.  WHY oh 
why should it require a Windows installation (even though it is WinOS/2).
Anyway, enough of all that...  My question is this:  Why, during the install
procedure, does Corel Draw take over the entire system??  I was unable to 
click away from it into another Window to do something else while it installed.
It opened up a full screen window and a nice pretty bar graph indicated it's
progress, but I could not switch out without hitting it's pause button.
I don't understand this.  I though OS/2 was preemptively multitasking.  How
is it that an application is allowed to take control and not let me control-esc
or alt-esc back to my desktop while it continues in the background?  Is this
a bug in OS/2?  Or is OS/2 not really preemptively multitasked?  Or is this
a feature of a single message queue (a buzz-phrase I picked up somewhere else
in the os2 groups...not sure what it means)?  Also, I noticed in the Service
Pack announcement, one of the corrections was that a message box could take
ove up the system (or something like that)...is this Corel Installation thing
a result of the message box thing?

Questions comments welcome.  Answers even more so...
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr)
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
	<1992Sep29.230019.24000@cs.brown.edu>
	<1992Sep30.135831.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
	<1992Oct1.083053.11625@daimi.aau.dk>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:42:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.083053.11625@daimi.aau.dk> tange@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Tange) writes:

   >Try the WPS :)
   >Open the drive object, then drag the folder to the shredder.

   Ever tried to delete a template that way?? ;-)

Yes I have -- smilie or no smilie.  Just hold down the shift key while
you do it.

Kevin Buhr <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: HG under OS2
From: T.M. RAJKUMAR <RAJKUMAR@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 13:27:59 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I am running a Networked version of Harvard Graphics 3.0 under DOS mode in
OS/2.  The text colors all look right in text mode.  But when I go into
display mode or Draw mode, the palette colors that come with HG all seem
different.  Is there some setting that I should be using. Is ATM causing
this problem.  HG uses bitstream fonts if I understand it correctly.
Any pointers are appreciated.
From: Mennecke@nw42.wiwi.uni-bielefeld.de (Juergen Mennecke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Network Fax Solutions for OS/2?
Keywords: Network, Fax
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:10:33 GMT
Organization: Fakultaet fuer Wirtschaftswissenschaften, Uni Bielefeld, Germany

I'm looking for a Fax solution for our Novell Network. What has that to do 
with OS/2? Read on:

At the moment it looks like an additional network service requires an
additional dedicated machine, as software isn't designed to run in the 
server. Since I don't want a stack of DOS-PC's sitting there and waiting 
most of the time, I'd like to have *one* multi-purpose OS/2-machine with 
network services running in VDM's; one of them a FAX gateway.

Now, my question is: Does anybody have experiences with DOS Fax software in 
VDM's? What pitfalls are there? Or is there a Network Fax solution under
OS/2 directly (which I'd like much better)?

Regards,
J. Mennecke
From: ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: any intelligent ibm reps in the uk?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 07:45:43 GMT
Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield
Distribution: uk
Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.berkeley.edu

i have being trying to get tcp/ip for os-2 in the uk, preferably
at an academic discount.  after dealing with various ibm types in
london, i am about ready to ask someone to buy this in the us and
mail it to me (i'd probably get a better price).  before i do,
i'm making an effort to find out if there is a reliable channel
for ibm products for educational institutions.
-- 
earl h. kinmonth, centre for japanese studies, university of sheffield,
sheffield, england s10 2tn  jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
From: enk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Erik N. Kovach)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: TCP/IP software and AT&T drivers
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:30:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: enk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Erik N. Kovach)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


According to my sources here at CWRU, there will be NO AT&T drivers
for the OS/2 TCP/IP software.  Is there no hope?  My school bought
these AT&T cards for cheap because AT&T was allegedly dropping 
support for them...but I want to run the TCP/IP software on this
card.  Any help?

Thanx...
-- 
    Erik Kovach       |    "OMIGOD!  The brakes are gone!"
Kusch Mental Hospital |    "Well..no sense in steering then."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
From: soh3@quads.uchicago.edu (min-woong sohn)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:36:57 GMT
Reply-To: soh3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <kevinc.717803811@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker) writes:
>cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:
>
>>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>>naming them explicitly)
>
>I have heard that 4os2 will do this with something like a 
>
>ERASE /S /X [path]filename...
>
>where /S means do the subdirs and /X means really remove the subdirs
>after all the files are gone.  Any confirmations on this?
>

Also, you can use

rm -r subdirname......

rm.exe is one of Kai's port of GNU file utilities found on
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

Min
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Help, My Mouse is Dead
From: <KM46MISU@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 10:56:15 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

My mouse was working fine before I started using any communication programs
in OS/2. A few days ago I changed my Config.sys , I added the statement
CALL=C:OS2MODE.COM2:57600, N, 8, 1, RTS=HS, BUFFER=AUTO, as some people
suggested and started using TE2. Now every time I boot up, my mouse works
for a while and dies. Can anyone help me solve the problem. Thank You.
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