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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: rec.sport.basketball.pro.celtics, etc
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:22:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com () writes:

  +Would anyone else like to see a separate group for each pro team?  I tend
  +to only scan this group for articles on the Celtics, especially when I
  +don't have much spare time.  
  +
  +Do you think there would be enough traffic to warrant it?  I imagine 
  +most posts on rec.sport.basketball.pro could be cross-posted to one 
  +or more of the team specific ones creating some immediate volume.  
  +I think it might also spark more team-specific discussion within each 
  +of the smaller groups.
  +
  +I have at times held back from making a very Celtics oriented post
  +here that I would have made in a alt.sport.basketball.celtics.

I don't think it's a good idea.  I don't think that team-specific
newsgroups are really the answer to your difficulties and the
disadvantages probably outweigh the disadvantages.

I don't think the traffic would be all that heavy.  But more 
significantly (to me), I think the newsgroup would get stale 
really fast.  It's the fun of hearing different opinions (and 
rants, raves, romps, and occasionally asinine comments) from 
other folks that really stimulate what I see and read and help 
put things in perspective.

If you are interested in real team-specific stuff, virtually
bordering on fandom, and especially since you are looking for
stuff on the Celtics, I would suggest that you join the 
Celtics mailing list (celtics-request@dartmouth.edu, put in
your request and e-mail address in the body).

Further, even near brain-dead newsreaders like "rn" version 1.0
(which I'm using) allows you to search for topics of particular
interest.  If you are really impatient, combining this capability
with use of a kill file will do wonders.

Sheesh!  Looking at some of the posts on this newsgroup and I
can't see why it would bother you to make a Celtics specific post,
but I think you ought to consider posting it.  It's no fun just
posting among "friends".

Just some comments.

Terry Chan

P.S.  There are more system administrative and network-related
      reasons which you can find out from some place like 
      news.newusers or whatever.  Plus, the splitting off this
      newsgroup into *.college, *.pro, and *.misc was painful
      enough. 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:20:01 GMT

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>Your last sentence is key.  Clips don't need McLean with Manning and Ken
>Norman around...might as well trade for someone who can do something
>differently than your starters.  Meanwhile, I'm sure Bullets management
>is really happy.  First they got rid of Fatso...and they get someone who
>can shoot as a forward (depth, remember they have none), and if Wes Unseld
>can't unlock Bedford, no one can.  Remember, Ellison was classified as
>the biggest #1 pick bust of all time until Wes had his way.  If Bedford can
>even partly fill the duties of a starting center (10 ppg, 7-8 rpg), setting
>Ellison loose on the power forwards of the league seems mighty good.

	If Unseld can get anything productive out of Bedford, name him
	coach of the year -- if not coach of the decade.  William Bedford
	is your proverbial "head case".  Heck, he was even involved in
	drugs.  Talk about a 6-year project who still hasn't developed.
	Don't get me wrong -- he has all the skills -- but no basketball
	sense.  

	With the acquisition of MacLean, U'd have to wonder what Bullets
	management will do now with Gugliotta.  They are fairly similar
	players.  Perhaps a trade in the works (i.e. Boston)?

	Jazzy J

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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Oliver Miller signs with Suns & Lottery Bullshit
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:35:25 GMT


[If this makes it twice, I apologize - our news server has been rather
unpredictable lately]

You all can stop talking about Miller being dumped over Rambis/Nealy.
The Suns signed Oliver Miller (6-8, 290!) to a 2 year contract - 500K,
650K.  The money came from KJ, who renegotiated his contract.  Miller
has stated he strongly desired to be in training camp, but couldn't
participate if he wasn't under contract per NBA rules.  He has been
playing with the team in informal workouts and Westphal has said that
"he's the best passing Center I've ever seen".  His weight is also
listed at 289, down from the 310 he was when drafted.  The Suns wanted
to see him show some commitment to playing with them and that was
signified by his loosing some weight.

Finally, someone that can handle the ball from dishes off KJ penetration.
Lang and West could have led the league in scoring if they'd have had hands.

On another note, this salary cap thing is bullshit.  As I learned from
the Magic thing, a team can pay signed players any amount they want.
If you need to sign someone, renegotiate your entire roster and pay them
all in one year.  You're over the cap by millions that year, but you can
sign anyone you want.  As long as your players are willing to adjust the
time they see their money, the cap might as well be non-existent.  which
is what I'm sure the Suns have done - KJ, Chambers, and Barkley will
probably all see gobs of money in the same year (and I'd bet the Suns
won't have a #1 pick that year either, imagine that).
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:23:51 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Bw0nAr.99p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> >	Danny Ferry
> 
> 
 <Long list of missed points deleted....>
> 	
> 	I think what U really have to define is whether or not these
> 	"failed" 1st round picks are superstars or not.  While none of the
> 	players U listed above have become NBA All-Stars, some of them
> 	have become decent players in the NBA -- and actually worth something!

	The point of all this was, just because somebody happened to be drafted
in the "top-10" (All of the players I listed were picked in the top 10 in their
respective drafts) doesn't guarentee he'll be a talented player. He may not
make it because the NBA 'experts' completely mis-judge his talent level (Bo
Kimble), or the ever present drug problem (Bias, Washburn).

	None of the players listed lived up to 'top-10' hype. With 20-20
hindsight, none of these guys would bring you a Kevin Gamble in a straight-up
trade, once you saw what they could really do in the NBA! 



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From: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Black)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:54:12 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Oct10.224222.15668@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>>   Is there a Lakers mailing list for all those die-hard Laker fans?
>
>Rec.sport.basketball.pro *is* the Lakers mailing list.  We die-hard
>Laker fans just *let* the other poor souls use *our* newsgroup for
>their nefarious purposes because we find their rantings and ravings
>amusing.
>
>
>--Gidi	(lakers in three)
>
Gidi - I thought *they* already knew.

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From: shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Subject: Re: Celtics training camp
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:04:43 GMT

In article <Bvr8Gt.CCJ@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
   KENNY BATTLE - Now this is a kid I like.  He was one of the 10-day
   contract boys Boston signed periodically last season to beef up their
   Bird and Brownless lineup.  Battle had great hustle and attitude, could
   take it to the hoop, and played tight D.  I'm not sure where he fits
   though, as he's not big enough for PF, and SF is chock full o'Xman,
   Fox, and Gamble (unless Fox goes for Gugliotta.)
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is there any reason to think that the Celts or anyone else has a shot at
getting Gugliotta?  Are his rights being shopped around?  Has Washington
signed him yet?  I vaguely remember that he was going to Europe, but that
it fell through ...

-Andy
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:37:58 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>>   Is there a Lakers mailing list for all those die-hard Laker fans?
>
>Rec.sport.basketball.pro *is* the Lakers mailing list.  We die-hard
>Laker fans just *let* the other poor souls use *our* newsgroup for
>their nefarious purposes because we find their rantings and ravings
>amusing.
>
>--Gidi	(lakers in three)
                   ^^^^^
Yeah, I guess the Lakers might make it past the first round...

Just to let you know Gary, the Lakers newsgroup is rec.humor.

And shame on you, Gidi.  You know that when you talk about the Lakers you are 
supposed to cross-post to rec.humor and
  rec.sport.basketball.nba.lakers.are.gonna.play.second.fiddle.to.the.bulls!!!

Bulls in 5!!! (again...)

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:26:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1b221kINN2u6
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


   I know there was a guy from Wisconsin that went out as a junior and was
   drafted by Seattle. I think his name was Cory Blackwell, and I know he
   was a flop. Of course how much of a flop, I'm not sure.

   --salty
From: melchijr@expert.cc.purdue.edu (jason r. melchi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Summer Camp News on Rookies
Keywords: Any stats on the rookies this year in summerball?
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:05:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


     I was curious as to whether anyone had any stats on this year's

draft picks in summerball.  I saw a few games on tv, but I never hear

about the other games.  Thanks in advance.
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From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Rumor (Here we go again!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:58:40 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: sharring@cs.tamu.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 01:49:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.014936.22165@tamsun.tamu.edu> sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington) writes:

   In article <5859@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
   >Pete Vecsey today in McNews reported that the Worm himself met with the Pistons
   >CEO last week, and it was decided that the club would try to trade him. 
   >The most immediate offer is a straight-up trade with Sacramento for Wayman
   >Tisdale.  I think that the Kings would certainly get the better end of this
   >proposed deal.
   -----------------------

   I'm not so sure about who would get the better deal. While Rodman
   is by far the better defender and rebounder, Tisdale's offense
   is extremely good - he's nigh impossible to stop in the low post,
   especially one on one. I can't think of too many players that are
   better offensively with their back to the basket. 

   I guess it just depends on whether a given team is searching for
   O' or some big D'...

   --Steve Harrington
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Well now, with Fat Terry Mills, Orlando Woolridge, and Tisdale, who's
gonna D up and who's gonna board?  I think Pistons are in beeeeg trouble.
Wayne.
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Idiots-Don't Post
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:50:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.202953.4911@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:





>Hey you fools----get your facts straight!!!
>Don't complain and cry b/c Magic is getting
>14.6 million.

>Don't sit around and listen to yourself babble
>and drool---fools.

>Magic would get 14.6 if he played ball or not.
>It is part of the contract that he signed in '79.
>Live with the fact that all you jerks who sit
>there and say--"Wow I wonder who was dumb enough
>to pay him that--yup,yup,yup.."

>Get a life and learn.

>Hey Jordan?! Ever heard of Magic Johnson? He's got 5 rings
>and he's been called the best player ever to live.
>And he's back. 
>Do you hear me knocking??
>I think you do and I think I'm comin in
>and I'm bringing Magic and 14.6 million other
>friends.
I'm not sure what all of this is supposed to mean.

Possibilities:
1) Jordan should feel humiliated that Magic is making more than he is
2) Jordan should be afraid of the Lakers now that the best player in
the NBA has returned.

If 1), well, the Bulls were the biggest draw in the league before they
won a title; do you suppose that it was because of Will Perdue and
John Paxson?  The problem with paying Jordan is that no one team could
afford to pay him what he is worth.  So he is now not even one of the
highest payed players in the league.  Pardon me while I wipe a discreet
tear away.

If 2) , well, he may be the best player in NBA history, but he is now
not the best player in the NBA: Michael Jordan is; even Magic admits
that.  

Should you think that Jordan respects Magic; you are right; he does.
If you think he is afraid of him ... I suggest a look at the NBA finals
of a couple of years ago, where in spite of a great series by Magic,
Michael simply outplayed him, convincingly, just as he did to Clyde
last year.  All in all your first line says it all.  You just applied
it to the wrong people.
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From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:38:34 GMT

>>I think this is a great move by the Bulls.  The Bulls roster know looks
>>like...
>
>>PG: Paxson      Armstrong
>>SG: Jordan      Tucker       C.Williams
>>SF: Pippen      McCray
>>PF: Grant       King
>>C : Cartwright  S.Williams   Perdue

>What about Byron Houston?  I can't see them cutting him, but where do
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>you put him?  The Bulls can't keep discarding their 1st round picks
>or they'll get old in a hurry.

He was part of the Rodney McCray deal.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rosters? (KNICKS)
Keywords: rosters update
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:37:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Bvv73A.96v@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>So color me ignorant, but 1) who in the world are Dozier, Jeter, and Waites-
>More CBA-ers?  and 2) where do they fit into the Knicks lineup?

Terry Dozier and his twin brother perry were bigtime highschool stars from 
Dunbar in DC. Terry had a pretty nice career at SOuth Carolina. Perry was \
a bench warmer.

Dozier is decent size but very skinny. Probably a long shot to stick.




Russ Smith
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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Idiots-Don't Post
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 09:05:42 GMT

In article <5968@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas) writes:
>
>Should you think that Jordan respects Magic; you are right; he does.
>If you think he is afraid of him ... I suggest a look at the NBA finals
>of a couple of years ago, where in spite of a great series by Magic,
>Michael simply outplayed him, convincingly, just as he did to Clyde
>last year.

Actually, if you recall, though Jordan had a good series, he didn't
school Johnson or the injury-plagued Lakers.  John Paxson did.

Little shit.

(I'm not bitter.)

- Trent Lange

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:24:29 GMT

halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>> 	I think what U really have to define is whether or not these
>> 	"failed" 1st round picks are superstars or not.  While none of the
>> 	players U listed above have become NBA All-Stars, some of them
>> 	have become decent players in the NBA -- and actually worth something!

>	The point of all this was, just because somebody happened to be drafted
>in the "top-10" (All of the players I listed were picked in the top 10 in their
>respective drafts) doesn't guarentee he'll be a talented player. He may not
>make it because the NBA 'experts' completely mis-judge his talent level (Bo
>Kimble), or the ever present drug problem (Bias, Washburn).

	Well, again it depends on what U define as Top-10.  For instance,
	some of the players U listed above are decent bench players.  And,
	some like Stipanovich, when he was in his prime, I would have 
	considered trading for Gamble straight up.  I agree that just
	because a player is drafted in the Top-10 doesn't guarantee that
	he's going to be good -- but U really have to take a good look at
	the guy and see what he can contribute to your particular team.
	Remember, Reggie Williams seemed like a washout -- but when he
	latched onto Denver, he began to shine.  U really have to look at
	the player and see how he'll fit in.

	Jazzy J
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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:13:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct14.201653.2417@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:

>When will the Celtic fans learn that their team's success is a thing of
>the (long gone) past... One feels more so after the retirement of Bird
>the wizard. Last year they lost badly to the Cavs and have mired in

This is plain wrong!
I'm sorry, The Celts did lose the series, but it was a realatively close
series.

>mediocrity for a while. The addition of Mcdaniel is a big minus for the
>team. McDaniel is not a very stable person and don't be surprised to see
>6-10 game 'disappearing acts' by Xavier. There are two reasons why Xavier
>performed in the playoffs 1) His future with NY was uncertain. 2) There
>was a master like Pat Riley driving him. 

Yeah, PAt Riley. What an awesome job. Just look at how his team did
towards the end of last year.

All I have to say about XAvier is, wait and see.

>
>With a secure job (3 yrs), Xavier will go back to his d-mode. The
>Atlantic will get much stronger with the emergence of NJ as a decent
>team and the Knicks as a contender. With this stiff competition, the
>Celts should be happy to make the playoffs.  

NJ is getting better, and the Knicks are not bad either, but
I don't see any reason for worry. The Knicks went back to
their usual selves at the end of last year, and NJ is just a step
behind them.

Look for the C's to run the floor more this season, as Mchale and
Parish play less and less. It's in the hands of Lewis, and Brown now.


Xref: sparky rec.sport.basketball.pro:17980 alt.politics.elections:15980 soc.culture.african.american:9825
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Subject: Re: Democrats,republicans;black athletes
Keywords: Barkley, Horton 
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:19:10 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:

> In article <1992Oct05.025312.5081@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris
> >In article <1992Sep24.205551.6070@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Micha
> >>>In article <198r3hINNm3a@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu 
> >>>(;;;;7202) writes:
> >>
> >>>>Well here's what Charles Barkley has to say on whom he's voting for
> >>>>president:  "I'm a multimillion-dollar black man.  If I ever get
> >>>>divorced, I'll be a million-dollar black man.  If Bill Clinton gets
> >>>>elected, I'm just a black man."
> >>
> >>>>-- San Francisco Chronicle, 9/16/92
> >>Kind of like Willie Horton - conservatives saw a rapist and murderer.
> >>Liberals saw a black man.
> >
> > The actual intent of Willie Horton was in fact racist as admitted to by Atw
> 
> 
>   Is that really why Horton attacked whites (racism), or was it simply
> a matter of opportunity?
>   Does anyone know where Horton is now?  Was he ever properly executed
> for his crimes?
> 


The point of this posting, I think, was not what motivated Willie Horton 
to attack whites, but what motivated the GOP to turn Willie Horton into a 
political icon.
 
To my knowledge, Willie Horton has not been executed, having never been 
sentenced to death.
G.

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Subject: Re: Magic
From: smccoll@alaska.cse.utoledo.edu (Scott T. McColl)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:36:43 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: The University of Toledo

In article <10616330.15.718510503@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes:
|> Can anyone really be worth $14.5 million for one season, assuming he makes 
|> it through the season. I am a Magic fan but i think this is a little too 
|> much, even for one of the greatest basketballers ever.
|> 
|> Big Stu.

	I think that some of that $$ is really a big "Thank You" to Magic
	for taking the Lakers to 9 Finals and 5 Championships. 
 	Just my opinion tho'

	Scott T. McColl
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Ignorant (was Re: Selfish)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:49:15 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (Jon Blixt)
Organization: MINE Mindless Idiot Nonothings Everywhere

Is Magic being selfish for playing basketball with HIV?

Yes, but only to a very small degree not worth squabbling about.
Not any more than when you drive your car when you could
have taken the bus.

-Jon
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