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From: dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk (C S Codrington)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Looking for postgraduate courses.
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:54:32 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi, there.

My name is Colin Codrington. I am a final year student at
Brunel University. I am studying for a honours degree in
Industrial Design. 

I am currently in my final year and looking for a postgraduate
course that fits in with industrial design.

I am quite interested in a research course at the moment. Well..
it doesn't have to be directly linked to industrial design as
long as I get to use my intelligence and creativity.

So how about it have you got that all important course, or do you
know of one. If so please don't hesitate to E-mail me on.......... 

E-mail dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk

A curriculum vitae (resume) can be arranged.

Well thanks for reading me.

Colin.
From: dbl@boole.msri.org (Daniel Lieman)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:50:54 GMT
Organization: Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, Berkeley
Reply-To: dbl@msri.org (Daniel Lieman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.188.86

Well, I have to disagree that allowing students to teach is
exploitation.  I went to Brown for grad school, and there we not
only taught sections, but actual classes.  In fact, during my
third year in grad school, I taught a sixty student lecture, and
had two TAs working teaching sections under me.  I've taught
multivariable calculus and linear algebra, as well as calculus,
at Brown.

I loved it.  TAing was nowhere near as fun/rewarding/educational
as teaching.  Most of the grad students at Brown will teach  (as
opposed to TA) at some point; nearly unanimously, people enjoy it
more.  (teaching experience also helps a great deal in those (oh, so 
overdiscussed) job searches).  Now part of that, no doubt, is due to the 
generally high level of Brown students, but I would much rather teach - 
at any level - than TA.  On the other hand, if I were at grad. school
just to do research, and thought of teaching as somehow below me, then
I could see feeling exploited.  But frankly, on those days (weeks?  
months?) when research was stonewalling me, I welcomed teaching.

Now here at MSRI, that's exploitation.  Making you come in to work
once a month to pick up a paycheck....

Daniel

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From: trick@shakespeare.rutgers.edu (Mike Trick)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:55:18 GMT
Followup-To: sci.research.careers
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.215154.579@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)         writes...
>>In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>>On the contrary, I would
>>>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.
>> 
>>I responded to Godfrey by email on this, but I think public attention
>>should be drawn to the fact that he believes that the four Concordia
>>professors deserved to be murdered and the secretary deserved to be shot.
>I said simply that I SUGGEST that they deserved it.

As a sci.research.careers reader, I can't thank the person enough who
decided to crosspost this wonderful exchange to this group.  It didn't
start here, but it seems to be ending up here.  So, what's it going to
be: sci.research.careers, soc.culture.canada, or soc.culture.british
(Good lord, what are they doing here: must have started before the
BNA!)?  Or do we all have to watch this?

A bit of a :-), but some annoyance that three groups end up following
this:  my kill file needs updating almost daily.

                                         Michael Trick

P.S.  I have not changed the followup myself:  I throw the decision
upon the infinite wisdom of the net.
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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:08:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov18.215154.579@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)         writes...
>In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I think you have it the wrong way around - the injstice comes
>>before the complaints, not the other way around.  On the contrary, I would
>>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.
> 
>I responded to Godfrey by email on this, but I think public attention
>should be drawn to the fact that he believes that the four Concordia
>professors deserved to be murdered and the secretary deserved to be shot.
> 
>If anyone has any personal knowledge that might help to set our minds at
>rest on this matter, I'd appreciate it if they'd contact me.
>-- 
My mind is at rest.
Do you mean knowledge about Concordia shootings, knowledge about Frabrikants
disputes, or knowledge about Godfrey.  If the last, I would be more than
willing to provide details of my dispute with NRC to anyone who wants them -
I haven't shot anyone, threatened to do so, carried a gun etc etc. and part
of it is dealt with in my article in New Scioentist of 11th July, 1982
(Forum section) and the remainder in the Canadian press of Feb 1987
(all national newspapers and Ottawa Citizen, CJOH and other TV stations).

As for Fbrikant, I have read some of his email postings which were kindly
provided by a staff reporter on Gazette after Dunn refused to send me
copies.  My view is that his arguments are disjointed and clumsily presented,
that he is alternately agressive and defensive, and that he frequently
goes OTT, but that there is substance there and it is evident how he was
driven to shooting the people involved.  It is also evident that the
university faculty closed ranks against him, that they acted to protect
themselves with no regard for Frabrikant's own career, that there was
quite a bit of academic dishonesty abounding, partic wrt authorship
(one of my own complaints against NRC).

I don't know what's got into Dunn recently, whose previously well-argued
emails to me have degenerated into irrational attacks, presumably because
he feels rather strongly about Fabrikant.  Dunn is well aware that I
don't really hate all Canadians and that many of my postings are calculated
to be provocative but are nonetheless my real opinions.  Dunn is also
well aware that I do not think that victims of injustice ought to go
around killing people, but when you have lived in a country where such
behaviour is quite normal, as I have, you don't find such action quite
so unacceptable nor so incomprehensible.  Furthermore, I know just how
frustrating Canadian institutions can be when they close ranks to protect
themselves, particularly in response to facts that demonstrate manifest
injustice on their part, and I can easily understand how an unstable
person could be driven to violence in such circumstances.

Laurence
From: ch436@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric W. Wallin)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Research internships in Chemistry of Physiscs for undergrads
Date: 21 Nov 1992 06:09:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hell! This sis a cross posting(somewhat) form sci.chem.  I am an undergraduate
student, majoring in Chemistry and Physics, and would like to be involved in
reseacrch in onec
of those fields next summer.  If anyione has any leads for me, they would be
greatly appreciated.

Eric Wallin
Freshman, Ball Statu University, Muncie IN

email
00ewwallin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Thanks in advanver!

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Academic jobs
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:05:05 GMT

In article <ELM.92Nov18015720@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <jeff.722073474@mama> jeff@mama.minmet.uq.oz (Jeff Gates) writes:
>=>lenivch@levinson.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki) writes:
>=>>[...]for most foreigners  finding a job in their
>=>>home country is a contingency plan, which they implement after
>=>>having failed in US job search.
>=>
>=>Will someone please tell me that Americans don't really think this way?
>
>Actually, in this particular case, the author is somewhat correct.  It
>has nothing to do with how Americans think.  Rather, many foreign students
>choose to stay in the US after getting a PhD (at least in CS).  This is
>especially true of Asians; many Europeans and Australians return to their
>countries.  It's not a baseless statement.  I know of several foreigners
>who have gotten US jobs.


Does anyone out there have ANY FACTS to back up these claims (foreign
students all trying to grab US jobs, Asians staying while the white
folk go home, etc.)? Or is this just wild speculation based on minute
personal experiences and perceptions?  I know lots of foreign students,
white and non-white (which seems to be the distinction people are trying
to get at); many have chosen to stay in the US, others have returned to
their native countries.  My observation accords with the null hypothesis,
but, by itself, it's just my anecdotal observation, as apparently are these
other comments.

How about some facts, folks?  From the San Jose Mercury News (the major
San Jose, CA, daily newspaper), September 28, 1992:
Year		Koreans Immigrating to US	Koreans Returning to Korea
1980			33,638				  848
1985			21,147				1,838
1990			19,992				4,882
1991			12,757				5,539

>
>I'm not passing judgment on this one way or the other.  It's the way
>things are.

	Source?  Evidence?  Statistics?

>
	[Amusing Eucalyptus anecdotes deleted.]
>
>ethan
>--
>+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>ethan miller--cs grad student   | "Anybody not wearing 2000000 sunblock's
>elm@cs.berkeley.edu             |  gonna have a REALLY bad day.  GET IT?"
>#include <std/disclaimer.h>     |  -- Sarah Connor, _Terminator 2_
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Keywords: Momma, don't let your babies grow up to be scientists...
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:21:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <BxqIGp.FC5@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>, ejdavies@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Davies) writes:

|> Would 50% of us have a clear product in mind that we think we could market?
|> I would imagine that nearly all of the people that currently start up 
|> companies (including the majority that fail) have a product in mind. If, 
|> like the majority of us, you don't, then I would expect your chances of your 
|> startup company to be microscopic.

See my previous post. The majority do not fail. The majority DO get started while
they are working at another job, by using a portion of their free time to
develope something significant that will allow them to get funding. I don't
believe that there is any better job to use for this purpose than being a
graduate student. Please also note that it is very possible to begin working on
your own enterprise and do the work that you were hired to do at the same time. I
believe that many professors with companies use this fact to get around the 20%
rule.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.024329.2836@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)         writes...
>In refd article, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>extremely over-developed sense of personal injustice to the point that four
>people have been murdered.
> 
We Russian jews (I am also of Russian origin) do indeed have a strong sense
of justice - not, as you say, and over-developed sense.

>It's obvious from the number of times that Godfrey brings up his sense of
>injustice, the tone of his postings, his threats, his blanket insults, and
>the fact that he regards all Canadians as implicated somehow in his dispute
>with the NRC, that this is not something that we should treat frivolously
>any longer.
> 
You are wrong there.  I blame only NRC for my dispute with NRC.  The fact that
I dislike Canadians and Canada itself has nothing to do with NRC.

> 
>To Godfrey, I'd like to say that your behaviour here has been
>unprofessional, immature and irrational.  Your continued general whining in
I do not regard the newsgroups as a medium for professional exchanges.  My p
profession nowadys is teaching, and I assure you that I am quite professional
while practising my profession!  As for immature, I refer you to your own
chilish refusal to provide me with copies of the emails you have from 
Frabrikant (in response to my perfectly polite request) on the grounds
that you didn't want to do anything for someone who had said nasty things
about Canada!  As for irrational, please gives an instance - or did you just
mean that because I had stated that I disliked Canada I MUST be irrational?


>these soc.culture newsgroups seriously belittles your personal image and
>stands no chance of generating sympathy or support for any case you may or
>may not have against specific organizations like the NRC.
> 

I'm not seeking sympathy, and if I were I doubt very much
that I would seek it from the Canadians.

> 
>I also urge you to seek professional help at the earliest opportunity.  You

This is patronising.  There is no recognised condition that manifests itself
as a dislike for Canadians, rather I would argue that it suggests a healthy
state of mind.


Laurence
From: ahogg@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: C-14 scholarship
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:24:47 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

 			THE UNIVERSITY OF WAIKATO
                           HAMILTON NEW ZEALAND

                  RADIOCARBON DATING RESEARCH SCHOLARSHIP

The University seeks applications for a Scholarship of $NZ6,000 (non-
taxable) tenable in the Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory of the Geochronology
Research Unit.  The appointee shall work towards a D.Phil degree on any
topic which makes significant use of carbon dating techniques.  Subject to
satisfactory progress, the Scholarship will be available for up to three
years.

The applicants should be eligible for a D.Phil degree, by holding a good
Honours or Masters degree. No specific experience of carbon dating is required,
as full training will be given.  The candidate's background should be in
science or archaeology, and experience in practical science would be advantage.

In addition to the Scholarship, the applicant will work as a technical
assistant for 10 hours a week in the Laboratory.  This position is
available for 3 years subject to progress.  The part-time technicians
position will carry a minimum salary of $NZ6,193.00 per annum, based on
Grade 1, step 5 of the Technicians' scale.

Enquiries of an academic nature may be made to Dr Alan G Hogg, Radiocarbon
Dating Laboratory, Geochronology Research Unit, telephone (064) 7 8384278.
Information on the method of application can be obtained from Academic
Staffing, Personnel, University of Waikato, Private Bag 3105, Hamilton, New
Zealand, telephone (064) 7 8562889, Fax (064) 7 8560135.  Applications
quoting reference number A92/77 should reach Academic Staffing, Personnel
by 18 December 1992.

Places for appointees' children may be available in the creche run by the
Campus Creche Society (Inc).  Equal Opportunity is University policy.

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:35:26 GMT


From a previous article:
>>>
It is the Universities' job to do as much research as possible for the
smallest amount of money. The research system in this country was not put
in place for the benefit of a few thousand graduate students. It exists for
the benefit of 240 million people. If the University decreased the number of
PhDs and hired more graduate students, there would be two effects.
 
A) 240 million people would be wasting money so that they Universities could
carry out these social engineering practices for the benefit of a hand ful of
people. Meanwhile the product of the quantity and quality of the research
would decrease significantly.
 
B) Lots of incomming graduate students who REALLY WANT to become graduate
students would be denied the opportunity and left out in the cold.
<<<

It amuses me to see free market arguments (supply and demand, full
competition, opposition to "social engineering") being used to support
what is most manifestly NOT a free-market institution.

Don't the contradictions keep you awake at nights, Jase ol' buddy? :-)

Ken McDonald
mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.215154.579@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I think you have it the wrong way around - the injstice comes
>>before the complaints, not the other way around.  On the contrary, I would
>>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.
>
>I responded to Godfrey by email on this, but I think public attention
>should be drawn to the fact that he believes that the four Concordia
>professors deserved to be murdered and the secretary deserved to be shot.
>
>If anyone has any personal knowledge that might help to set our minds at
>rest on this matter, I'd appreciate it if they'd contact me.


Maybe I'm being absurdly simplistic, but it seems to me that no one
deserves to be shot.  For any reason.  


Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:04:38 GMT

> Wrong. The government should not end funding. The government should take
> a greater role in setting a national research policy. This would eliminate
> alot of incompetance at the university level. It might replace it with
> incompetance at a national level, but at least now some elected officials
> can be made to pay a political price. Also ending funding to universities
> would kill off almost all long term research.

Here you are assuming that it is somehow possible to create a pure,
Platonic, neutral, governing body that will keep the universities
straight. However, governing bodies consist of human beings, who need food
to eat, an house to sleep in and money for a winter vacation in Hawaii.
I find it hard to believe that these human needs can ever keep any
governing body Platonic for an extended period of time.

>				      Harry Luithardt
>				      Institute for Nonlinear Science
>				      UC San Diego
>			  e-mail:     novikov@gibbs.ucsd.edu

Dov
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Keywords: Momma, don't let your babies grow up to be scientists...
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:05:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

danforth@riacs.edu (Douglas G. Danforth) writes:

>In <BxqIGp.FC5@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> ejdavies@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Davies) writes:


>>watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>>.... previous deleted for sake of brevity

>>>Why don't 50% of us start our own high-tech companies and make
>>>a few million?

>There is another issue at stake here and that is "life style".  I have
>recently had to face facts that I am not willing to go the business
>route.

I'm not suggesting that being an entrepreneur is for everyone -- 
but I think it is a possibility for many of us. Everyone
would benefit, even those who went the academic route.

Some of the potential benefits:

	- increased innovation
	- new products
	- stimulus to economy
	- greater competitiveness worldwide, helping balance of trade
	- increased jobs in our area
		- in industry
			- increased demand for our skills to 
				develop new products
		- in academia
			- increased demand for professors to produce graduates
				for industry
			- increased demand for fundamental research
				to support industry.
			- increased job opportunity because of
				reduced number of graduates applying
				to academic positions
	- greater opportunity for cooperation between industry
		and academia

No matter what area you are in, it seems to me that computers
have greatly reduced the cost of starting up a business.
For example, look at the impact of desktop publishing on 
the cost of starting up a publication. 
A software company requires very little startup cost.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: borchers@nmt.edu (Brian Borchers)
Subject: Re: Academic jobs
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:07:10 GMT

Here are some statistics from the 1992 annual AMS-MAA Survey of Earned
Doctorates.  Of the 584 non US citizens who earned PhD's in the May
1991-May 1992 period, 53% found employment in the U.S,  24% found
jobs in other countries, and 23% are unemployed, not looking for
work, or of unknown status.  From these statistics, it certainly
appears that the majority of foreign students in mathematics would
prefer to remain in the U.S.  (5% of the non US citizen PhDs were
of unknown status but listed a U.S. address.  13% were still seeking
employment.  Presumably some of these people are hoping to remain
in the U.S.)  
 
In the same period, there were 428 PhD's granted to U.S. citizens.  

By the way, this is the same survey which shows that over all, 
12.7% of the new PhD's are unemployed, while another 9.4% are
of unknown status.  Things look even worse when you consider the
number of new PhD's who are underemployed...