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From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Who is responsible for Slav Muslims?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
>
>Italy has sent soldiers to the gulf, as a matter of fact the first
>casualties were the Italian pilots if I'm not mistaken. The 
>Western organizations must show that they are not a Northern/Christian
>league with double standards but an establishment built on strong
>values and with a future. The unfavorable attitude of Europe to the
>destruction of Bosnia is going to create an atmosphere that will
>cost the West more than the commitment to protect Muslims. 
>
>Kutluk

	It is true that the US and other Western Europpean countries
	went to fight in the Gulf under the UN but it will be very
	stupid to accept their claim that they were defending human
	rights. 

	The cause was for their best interest (mainly Economic
	interests). They are justified to do so within their own right.
	The tragedy the Gulf War did not happen with out active support
	from countries claim to be Islamic countries from the richest
	like Saudi Arabia who provided money and land and Airospace to
	the pooorest like Bangladesh who sent I guess 15,000(??)
	Soldiers. Other countries like Syria Turkey Egypt Morrocco all
	contributed actively to that war. In some way I think that war
	could not have happened with out Islamic consent and
	contributions. I think it is Naive and simple to label that war
	as A Christian war against Islam, Imagine Turkey refusing to
	give airbases to launch attacks on Iraq and Egypt refuses to 
	allow the use of the Suez Canal and Syria closed its airospace
	for US  forces and above all the Gulf Arab countries did not
	allow  the use of their waters and airspace and land to launch
	attacks. If all of that was possible this war never was
	successful.

	As you can see the Gulf war was an Islamic war against Iraq. So
	the Muslim countries are not helpless they have teeth and they
	can bite. The responsibility for the Muslims in Bosnia is not 
	for the USA or Western Nations it is the responsibility of those
	Muslim countries like Turkey Egypt Iran and Saudi Arabia and
	Syria and Morrocco, I guess Pakistan and Bangladesh are far away
	but that did not prevent them from sending forces to the Gulf.

	The above Muslim nations proved to be Chicken-Hawks, Hawks over
	each other and Chickens when it comes to their true
	responsibility. 

	If I were you and living in a Muslim Country I will spit on any 
	military barracks I see in those countries. I guess we have to
	do a spitting party where we keep spitting on the Military forces
	of the Muslim countries until they are flooded with Spat. If you
	do not live in a Muslim country may be you can go and spit on
	their embassies until you flood them.

	Bosnian Muslims are a dark spot on the Concious of the Muslim
	Nations or nation as some of us like to call it.

A Jaber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: to Kocabas on "The Qur'an and The Bi
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:25:01 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> In article <73756.229925863@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki 
>   
> >Allah is my witness that neither Allah nor his Prophet said    
> >such a thing:    
> >    
> >> whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah    
> >> and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.     
> >    
> >These are your words...bring your book Man!    
>   
>   
> As far as I know, Holy Qur'an speaks of Injil as being revealed  
> to Jesus (pbuh).  However, what Christian fellows have is  
> 'Gospels according to John, Math., Luke,' and one more that I cannot  
> remember, but certainly not Jesus(pbuh).  Therefore I can not see  
> how you can think that Bible which consists of Old Testament and New  
> Testament is original Injil?  Or may be I understood it wrong.  
  
Have I ever said:  
> Bible which consists of Old Testament and New  
> Testament is original Injil..  
?  
  
for me to say:  
> Bible which consists of Old Testament and New  
> Testament is original Injil..  
  
is as meaningless as to say:  
> Bible which consists of Old Testament and New  
> Testament is NOT original Injil..  
  
just because the word "Injil" is never ever in the Quran and in any  
Hadith used in such a degenerate way...I challenge you people  
who accuse me being zindik, bring me one ayat which gives you  
a justification or ground to use the word of the God - "Injil" in   
such loose ways you dare to use, then I will lick my words posted   
on this news group letter by letter...  
I can't help you more than that,  
and if you don't do this or withdraw your own blasphemy towards  
the words of the God, my two hands will be on your collars in   
hereafter. (iki elim yakanizda olacak.)  
  
iki elim yakanizda olacak......  
  
[irrelevant stuff deleted]   
>   
> please set me right if I am wrong,  
>   
>  peace  
  
there will be no peace till you withdraw this from circulation:  
  
> >> whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah    
> >> and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.     
  
Allah didn't say so...why shall I give heed to your words than ?  
Are you people the new messangers of an unknown god, revealing  
some such new words as if you knew something which hasn't been  
revealed to the last prophet of the God ?  
Bring your proof!  
Bring your book!  
  
You've said a big word, bigger than your hight :->  
And you are in deep trouble, don't make it worse,  
WITHDRAW IT !  
  
At least behave as honestly as the poets of the old arabs who  
were courageous enough to pull down their words when they read  
the words of the God...but then it is questionable that you  
have such a clear command of language that those poets used to  
had :-> however you declare yourselves as allame-i-jihan :->  
you have a long way to go to identify me as zindik/bektasi/satan,  
a long way to go.........................................  
  
> hamid  
>
From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Subject: Re: The 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' 'kucukucus' Would Like 'Tamamidis,' I Think.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.040441.16834@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>In article <9208130024.A5607qi@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
[...]
[Hasan]I already did. Are you claiming that 'anadolu.michigan.com' is not a 
[Hasan]legitimate address for 'mutlu?' I am responsible for every single
[Hasan]article posted from 'anadolu.michigan.com' or 'ddsw1.mcs.com.'
[...]
>Whether it did originate with you is the point, and if it did not, was this
>with or without your knowledge and consent?

Hasan clearly mentions that he is responsible from every single article
posted from 'anadolu.michigan.com,' therefore your 'if it did not' is
clearly a wrong assumption, making 'with or without your knowledge and
consent' a completely baseless suggestion.

Don't you think so?


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: da26@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Deniz  Akkus)
Subject: Turkish Restaurants in the NYC?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:24:21 GMT

I am interested in adding to my list of Turkish restaurants in the NYC
and around.  

The ones I know about:

Divan in the Village, corner of McDougal and Bleecker
Yatagan in the Village, next to Divan (this is very small)
Beyti's in Union City, on Park Ave.
Turkish Kitchen, across from Beyti's 
Istanbul Kebap Salonu, Upper East Side, (79th and 3rd, am not exactly
sure)

My favorite was Anatolia, Upper East Side, (3rd Ave, between 80th and
81st) but they seem to have closed down.  Does anyone know whether
they have relocated elsewhere?

Esen kalin,
Deniz Akkus da26@cunixb.columbia.edu


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Pol*' Goes To Kindergarten: '31 + 111' >> '17.5.'
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:22:18 GMT





<3011.3248.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

HM>It's probably the retroactive integrator of the imported prince of
HM>Greece.

> Whatever that means. But you still haven't met my challenge: list all
>the governments of Greece from 1821 on and expain one-by-one why you
>think that the 1828 of the 1924 regimes were not democratic, or why the
>80 years of Constitutional Monarchy are not included in your calculation

I already did; '31 + 111' >> '17.5.' And so it has been to this day. Why?
Freedom of culture and religion prevailed during the Ottoman Empire, allowing
the many nations and races within its boundaries to remain autonomous. The
fact that the Ottoman Empire was the longest lived in recent history may be
attributed to these freedoms, despite the lack of any written Constitution.
The first attempts to create a written Constitution occurred in 1839 and 1856.
Although the documents adopted during these two attempts remained in force
only temporarily, they provided the basic elements of a Constitution.

The 1876 Constitution was the first legal document to force a Parliament and
the right of election to share the sovereignty of the Emperor. The Constitution
of 1906 placed some additional limitations on the Emperor, while increasing
the power of the Parliament and the government.

The First World War (1914-1918) brought the Ottoman Empire to an end. By the
occupation of Istanbul, the Parliament was dissolved and the Constitution was
abolished. The members of Parliament were sent to exile to an island by the
occupying forces.

During the Independence War, the "Turkish Grand National Assembly" held their
first meeting on April 23, 1920 to serve as the legislative body of the new
Turkish state. This assembly prepared the new legal structure of the Turkish
Republic. The new Republic was proclaimed on October 29, 1923 and the new
Constitution was adopted in 1924. That Constitution served as the legal 
backbone of today's modern Turkish Republic. In 1945, Turkey adopted a 
multi-party political system. The Constitution of 1924 was replaced by
others in 1961 and 1982. All three Constitutions of the Republic have been
based on the principles of parliamentary democracy, human rights, national
sovereignty, division of powers, private ownership and secularization.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: 'Charlap' Has Proved Himself A True Humanitarian.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:53:54 GMT

hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu) writes:

><1992Aug19.235220.6597@njitgw.njit.edu>
>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)

>>>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and 
>>>        the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

>>[almost 500 lines of quote deleted]

>>You seem to post tremendous amounts of material from Professor Shaw's
>>book.  
>>Are you trying to sell it?  
>>Or are you looking to get sued for
>>copyright infringement? (I think you'll have posted the entire book in
>>another week!)
>>And you never state what purpose you have in quoting all this
>>material.  
>>It seems to be pro-Jewish history, but then I see this
>>signature at the bottom:
>>and I wonder what your real purpose is.

 And the Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit (MUTLU) replied:

>For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people 
>lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the 
>oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
>culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
>....... (stuff deleted)

>The justice is long overdue.

 One can draw his own conclusions. Mine is the following:

 Turkey is trying to improve its relations with Israel.  Mutlu got his
 order along with propagandistic material, to try to prove
 that Turks have always been protecting Jews, while Greeks have always been
 trying to "eradicate" them from Greece.  In the mean time, some propaganda
 against Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds is in his program.

 Now, one wonders: how come, a racist muslim like mutlu, posts tenths of
 pro-Jewish articles every day for several months? Is he in love with Jews?
 I could understand if he had posted one or two articles.  But hundrends of
 pro-Jewish articles from a muslim? Isn't this misterious? 

 My above explanation is the only logical. 

>Hasan B-) Mutlu


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: SpicMacay:Indian Dance(ODISSI):LEC-DEM:AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:35:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
--------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:26:32 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia


>From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
>Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
>Date: 17 Aug 92 06:27:59 GMT
>
>1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>   actually decreased.

According to the IMF World Economic Outlook, 1987, the non-oil commodities
real price index dropped from around 130 in 1973 to around 60 in 1986
(1956 price index =100).

According to the Economist Commodities Price Index of August 15-21, 1992,
with 1985 index = 100, the dollar index of all items = 110.6, food = 86.1,
all industrials = 135, metals = 145.6.

Thus in real terms the prices of all commodities have decreased since the
early 70's. In fact, this is closely linked to the third world debt crisis.


>2: All the major oil producers (especially Muslims) are in the
>   bag of West. Be it Saddam or Fahad.
>3: Why else such a coercion and black mailing to get all on for
>   the alliance in the Gulf war? Those who could not be threatened
>   were actually bribed _ eg. China.
>

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The Jews Were Massacred Along With The Turks.
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:35:35 GMT





<2440@israel.nysernet.org>
warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)

>You know, I, and perhaps the other readers of scj don't really care
>much whether the Greeks or the Turks win the prize for having been
>more anti-Semitic.

But, 'PXP111' is a compulsive liar and should be exposed as such.

  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>


                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: [NEWS.ANNOUNCE.NEWGROUPS]
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:38:31 GMT

In article <9208122249.A6484fk@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>
>
><1992Aug12.065048.9204@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>
>8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
>
>>	We have mutilu frying the truth we can't have Greeks.
>
>You are standing there with a razor in your hand. Well, anxiously
>awaiting...
>
>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
>        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).
>
> page 203:
>
>  <<In 1865, immediately after enactment of the new Organic Statute for the
>  Jewish community, and just as Jewish capital from Europe was beginning
>  to have an effect in Istanbul, local Armenians and Greeks started a pogrom
>  against Jews immediately across the sea of Marmara at Haydarpasa, terminus
>  of the Anatolia railroad, with three hundred Jews massacred and many more
>  beaten and raped before the disturbance was stopped after the Sultan sent
>  his personal guard across the bay to protect the Jews [39].>>
>
>[39] El Tiempo, 28 April 1926; Galante, Istanbul I,185; Galante, Documents V,
>     340-41.
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
>
          
Man, I just don't understand you European guys, I mean you have all these
scrimishes, arguments about the past. I mean like I toured Europe and
I saw none of that stuff, in Germany, Italy, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia
I teamed up with all bunch of cool guys and gals (man European chics
are babes, I mean like you're in love, then the pants and then ....?), we
drank, we smoked, (Hamburg a place to be in) we laughed and had fun.
I mean its like, life is to short to miss out on all the fun. If I
lived in Europe, instead of all this arguing I would be like seeking
out all the Armanian, Turkish, German ... babes. I mean like people
in this group use to write like how Europe is more racist, and after
coming back, it seems to me like a big party place.


Cheers.

mario s.

                "Don't worry, be happy"




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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:40:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
>In article <1992Aug11.163909.24034@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew >Huntbach) writes a lot of crap including:
>
>[stuff anihilated]

>I say : we need intervention against abusive crossposting.
>
>
>--
>*  __  _  *  Fred "I'll be" Bach  (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic))
>* ||_ /_| *                                         (Tel. : 813-3597-1595)
>* || /__| *  Arnold, who are you going to be when you grow up ? I'll be Bach
>*         *                Je suis athee, Dieu merci. -B. Bach

No need to be rude. I was replying to a message which had been
sent to an excessive number of groups. Unfortunately, I am
using an unsupported version of the news system which makes it
difficult for me to edit the newsgroup header. Your flames
should be addressed at the person who posted the original
message, not me.

Matthew Huntbach
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