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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Ivanisevic's boasting
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:46:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov07.042228.24410@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>In article <96497@netnews.upenn.edu> cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello) writes:

>>	What's the matter?  Afraid of a little serve?
>>
>Yes, 130 mph serves CAN kill.  To me, it adds nothing to the game 
>but subtracts from it.

IMO, "serve only" tennis (ok, I am exaggerating a little) is very boring
as a spectator sport. I find it annoying to watch Ivanisevic keeps acing
or serving service winners against Edberg, or Stich serves four aces
in a row to win a game at love against Forget. On fast surfaces, especially
indoors, the entire game of tennis boils down to the serve. Perhaps some
people like this kind of serving contest, but if it turns a lot of fan off,
it is clearly not good for the game.

>>>>3. This is what bugs me the most: Because he is Croatian, he's
>>>>   got a group of flag-waving Croatian entourage cheering wildly for
>>>>   him at important matches.  It's as if he's out there fighting
>>>>   against the world for his country, which is actually engaged in a
>>>>   brutal (civil) war.  I don't like to see flag-waving except at
>>
>>	What is wrong with flag-waving.

I don't see anything that wrong with flag-waving either. When Edberg
plays, there is usually a group of Swedish fans with the Swedish flag
painted on their faces. I think these people travel around the world
to follow Edberg's matches. I also recall people waving the American
flag and the German flag during the Australian Open.
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From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Becker's serve
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:41:40 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


In article <JPT.92Nov9091559@telecaster.think.com> jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor) writes:
>
>
>Becker has changed his toss position.  For the last two years [and I have
>checked my tape archives of his matches] he has been tossing much too far
>behind him.  In Paris his toss was much farther to his right.  Maybe still
>a bit too close to being over his his for my taste. But... what an
>improvement.  If you want to know why ask me.
>
>
>Does anyone know if he has a new coach??
>
 
I think it might have something to do with his back problems, maybe he is
now arching his back less.
---
arijit
From: smuench@i61s6.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Statements & Corrections
Date: 10 Nov 1992 08:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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Hi,

I have to make some statements and corrections concerning some
of the latest postings in this newsgroup:

>> Does anyone know if he has a new coach??

> He is still being coached by Ian Tiriac (SP??).

That's wrong! Ion Tiriac is still his manager, that's right.
For a few weeks, he indeed has a new coach: Guenter Bresnik (sp?).
The only thing I know about this guy is that he comes from
Austria. Many people say he's the right one for Becker now.

Although many people say the new coach is one reason for Becker's
improvement in the last weeks the more important one is perhaps the 
fact that he has regained his fun in playing tennis. (I hope you all 
know what I'm trying to say, sorry for my english!)

In my opinion he showed a nearly perfect performance over the whole
tournament in Paris. He has not only improved his serve (which 
was very good a few years ago) but also his backhand (did you see
the passing shots down the line?) and especially his volleys. Except
in Wimbledon I've had always the feeling that he had a lot of diffi-
culties in playing good volleys. Now most of his first ones are un-
reachable.

> ...playing a down-the-line lob.

I think in non-professionals tennis the lob is a very good weapon.
For some of the pros this may also be true, but it only works when the
opponent is very close to the net. Otherwise, all of the male
professionals are able to win the point if they can reach the lob
and play a smash. (Did you see the ones from Chang yesterday in 
Antwerpen? And Chang is in fact not the best smasher!)

Nevertheless, I've been asking myself why only a few players use 
the lob and the stop. At least on clay court they can both be a
good weapon. You can often see them in women's tennis. Another
advantage of the lob if you are in a defensive position: the
ball will fly a looooong time.

Bye, Stefan
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: Why would some racquets be more powerful than the other
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:56:34 GMT

yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:

>The properties of a tennis racquet that will affect the speed of the ball
>after impact are most likely its weight distribution and its string tension.

Don't forget frame rigidity...it's the whole reason for widebodies, not
weight distribution as you say.

-- Larry
From: csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: More results
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:25:03 GMT
Organization: Software Research Center, Georgia Tech


+ Antwerp (today)
  -------
  Courier(1) d. J. Sanchez   6-3 6-3
  Woodforde d. Lendl(4)      6-4 6-2
  Stich d. Costa(7)          6-4 6-4
  Larsson d. Nijssen         4-6 7-6 7-6

+ Philadelphia (yesterday)
  ------------
  Sabatini(2) d. Shriver     7-6 7-5   (She plays Raymond in the QF's)

+ Indianapolis (yest.)
  ------------
  Majoli d. Tauziat(2)


..Chris

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From: jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen)
Subject: Antwerp - Tuesday results
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:56:11 GMT

$1.1 MILLION EUROPEAN COMMUNITY CHAMPIONSHIP
AT ANTWERP, BELGIUM
TUESDAY'S RESULTS
FIRST ROUND
-----------

Javier Sanchez d. Brad Gilbert 4:6 6:4 6:4
Carlos Costat d. Emilio Sanchez 6:3 6:3
Grant Conell d. Hendrik Holm 6:4 4:6 6:4
Jim Courier d. Jimmy Connors 6:3 6:3

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Ramblings
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 21:51:47 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@capacitance.eng.umd.edu


In article <JPT.92Nov9132932@telecaster.think.com>, jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor) writes:
>If I am really on the run, for some reason that I don't fully understand, I
>find the x-court pass easier than the down-the-line.  What Bud Collins
>calls the "buggy whip" may be easier because either way you have to hit the
>ball opposite from the direction that you are running.  [Like a US football
>quarterback running left and throwing right - particularly a right handed
>qb.] Hitting the extreme, dipping, x-court is a quick explosive act.
>Hitting down the line seems like it requires more touch.  [I don't have a
>real good reason for why it feels this way.] 

   I feel it's a little easier to hit crosscourt as well, but I always that
was because I was emulating what I saw on tv, and therefore had more
practice.
>
>It has the advantages you state, but it is "harder."  Again, as above, I
>have trouble justifying my feeling that it is "harder."  I know I would
>rather hit a topsin lob running wide that try a defensive lob.  The other
>issue is that if I am running real hard, I will leave the court open -
>entirely open.  If I don't hit a winner off the ball, I lose the point.
>So, I try for the more aggressive shot (and I find it easier.)

   I wasn't suggesting a defensive lob down the line, but more of an offensive
lob.  Or just a pretty high passing shot.   With a low passing show down
the line, your opponent may be able to get down to the shot, but a high
passing shot may require jumping, or a pretty strong wrist to snap
it down.   Unfortunately my skills and the skills of those who I play
with don't enable me to try this shot that often.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: Anne Bilek <anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Ivanisevic's boasting
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71F04968F01650F@dialup-slip-1-15.gw.umn.edu>
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In article <6515@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Liu, mliu@ucsb.edu writes:
>In article <HARI.92Nov4110608@robios6.me.wisc.edu>
hari@robios.me.wisc.edu 
>(Kambainathan Hari) writes:

[...some stuff deleted...]
>>>I did like him initially, but now I find myself disliking him
>>>immensly. Frankly if he continues to shoot off his mouth, I just hope
>                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>>>he gets one of those nagging injuries and burns out.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I can't believe someone would actually hope for something like that, no 
>>matter what!
>
>I agree that nobody deserves to have injuries wished upon him/her.  
>But I must say that I also find it hard to like Ivanisevic, for these
>reasons:
>1. He has many skills, but his overpowering serves are, as I said
>   previously, bad for tennis.  I am awed by but have no admiration
>   for 130 mph serves.
>2. He talks too much.  The media feeds on that; they already have
>   him cast as the next European champ, and they love to quote
>   him.  
>3. This is what bugs me the most: Because he is Croatian, he's
>   got a group of flag-waving Croatian entourage cheering wildly for
>   him at important matches.  It's as if he's out there fighting
>   against the world for his country, which is actually engaged in a
>   brutal (civil) war.  I don't like to see flag-waving except at
Davis-Cup 
>   matches, and maybe not even that.
> 
>M. Liu

The funny thing is, all of these characteristics are equally attributable
to someone like Becker, who is talented in all areas but known for his
big serve, also has been known to shoot off his mouth, and (for a while)
had every one of his victories touted as a victory for Germany.  

Goran is pretty young and hot-headed.  Maybe we should cut him some
slack.  After all, how many of us would want to be held to what we said
when we were twenty?  I know I wouldn't.  Bye!

anne
-----
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anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu
University of Minnesota
-----
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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Becker crushes Courier!!!
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:39:43 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA



WHAT TIME IS IT?   IT'S *BOOM BOOM* TIME!!!!!!

            
                                                 From a diehard Becker fan.
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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: Why would some racquets be more powerful than the other
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 03:52:43 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

Fan Yu (yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
: The properties of a tennis racquet that will affect the speed of the ball
: after impact are most likely its weight distribution and its string tension.
: Therefore the trick behind the widebody design is simply by making the head
: thicker, more weight is concentrated in the head, hence more momentum 
: gathered during the swing and more momentum transferred to the ball upon
: impact. 
:
This is not true. The "trick" behind the widebody or "wide profile frame" is
the thicker the frame, the STIFFER the frame. The stiffer the frame, the less
energy lost when the racquet flexes back. You'll notice that most widebodies 
weigh less than yesterdays racquets, for that reason alone it wouldn't be a
factor of weight.
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From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Paris Open Update
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 17:08:37 EST
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

$2.1 MILLION PARIS OPEN
AT PARIS
SATURDAY'S RESULTS  
SEMIFINALS
----------
Boris Becker (9) d. Goran Ivanisevic (6), 6-1,6-2
Guy Forget (11) d. Jakob Hlasek, 6-3,7-6 (7-1)

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From: 5checki_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Capriati Address?
Summary: REPOST:CAPRIATI ADDRESS
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:03:38 GMT
Reply-To: CAPRIATI ADDRESS
Organization: St. Peter's College, US




Does anyone have an address where I could send my female hero Jen Capriati some 
fan mail?  Also, is anyone up on what she is doing with her days off from the 
circuit?  I know she is in school.  Finally, does anyone have any idea if she 
would even respond to fan mail if it is not looked at by her public relations 
director(s)?  


			Thanks in advance
			Mark Checki

						Jen-Jen in 93
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: ATP Tour final Grouping
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:38:31 GMT

Rob Laver Group:  Courier, Ivanisevic, Chang, Lendl

Ken Rosewall Group:  Edberg, Sampras, Korda, Becker


The format is round robin within the groups. The top two players
from each group advance to the "cross" semi final; that is, the
top player from the Laver Group plays the second from the Rosewall
group.

During the round robin, if there is a tie such as A beats B,
B bests C, C beats A and ABC all beat D, then number of sets
won/lost will be counted to determine who advances.
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From: mliu@ucsb.edu (Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Ivanisevic's boasting
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:31:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <HARI.92Nov4110608@robios6.me.wisc.edu> hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari) writes:
>>>  (excerpt from my original posting)
>>>   After winning in Stockholm, Goran boasted that he could go up even
>>>   farther if he does well in Paris and in Frankfurt.  If so, it will

>>   (someone's response)
>>Oops! He'll be losing fans faster that his serve ...
>>First he made a comment about `beating Lendl anyway' in Wimbledon and
>>now this..
>>
>>Sure he's young and got plenty of potential, but that doesn't mean
>>that he should start talking big and shooting off your mouth (actually his
>>acheivements *so far* are neglible for history to even mention his name)
>>
>>I did like him initially, but now I find myself disliking him
>>immensly. Frankly if he continues to shoot off his mouth, I just hope
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>>he gets one of those nagging injuries and burns out.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I can't believe someone would actually hope for something like that, no 
>matter what!

I agree that nobody deserves to have injuries wished upon him/her.  
But I must say that I also find it hard to like Ivanisevic, for these
reasons:
1. He has many skills, but his overpowering serves are, as I said
   previously, bad for tennis.  I am awed by but have no admiration
   for 130 mph serves.
2. He talks too much.  The media feeds on that; they already have
   him cast as the next European champ, and they love to quote
   him.  
3. This is what bugs me the most: Because he is Croatian, he's
   got a group of flag-waving Croatian entourage cheering wildly for
   him at important matches.  It's as if he's out there fighting
   against the world for his country, which is actually engaged in a
   brutal (civil) war.  I don't like to see flag-waving except at Davis-Cup 
   matches, and maybe not even that.
 
M. Liu
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Subject: Re: Ivanisevic's boasting
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:54:19 CST
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation

>But I must say that I also find it hard to like Ivanisevic, for these
>reasons:
>  {stuff deleted}
>3. This is what bugs me the most: Because he is Croatian, he's
>   got a group of flag-waving Croatian entourage cheering wildly for
>   him at important matches.  It's as if he's out there fighting
>   against the world for his country, which is actually engaged in a
>   brutal (civil) war.  I don't like to see flag-waving except at Davis-Cup 
>   matches, and maybe not even that.
> 
>M. Liu

I actually find this to be his redeeming feature. His service games to love are
certainly tiresome after a while, and he is outspoken both on and off the
court. But he is a 20 or 21 year old guy who is THE national hero of a proud
people who are independent (theoretically anyway) for the first time in about 8
centuries. They are in the middle of a terrible war, and he gives them some
national pride on the world stage. Sure, he's out there fighting for his
country - give the Croatians something to cheer about. The way he handles the
expectations of his country, and in fact, seems to be thriving on it, is what I
like about him. It shows a bit of character. There's nothing wrong with loving
your country (or waving its flag).

Mind you, it can be a bit annoying if you're supporting someone else against
Goran, and you have 2000 mad Croats screaming in your ear :-)

Dave Mudge
 
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From: csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith)
Subject: News, Nov 7 (SPOILERS)
Organization: Software Research Center, Georgia Tech
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:01:08 GMT


WARNING: Some of the information contained in this post may be considered
spoiler information.  If you do not wish to see this info, press the `n'
key now.. 



Tournament Results:

  + Paris (1st Semifinal)
    -----
    Forget(11) d. Hlasek    6-3 7-6  (7-1 in the tiebreak)

    Forget served 4 aces in the 1st game of the match and really didn't
    have much trouble on his serve at all during the match, except at
    one point in the 2nd set when Hlasek broke his serve for the only
    time.

    The second semifinal has just started (as of 11 AM EST).


  + Oakland
    -------
    Seles(1) d. Majoli      6-3 6-1

    Today's semis matchups are: Seles(1) vs. Huber(3) and Navratilova(2)
    vs. K. Maleeva(4).

    Navratilova may have an edge in this tournament.  She is serving
    very well (79% first serve percentage in the 2nd set of yesterday's
    match).  Before this tournament, Seles was off for 5 weeks.  Her
    match today could provide a tough test if Huber shows up in top
    form.


..Chris

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From: ptsai@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: rec.sport.tennis
Organization: Claremont McKenna College
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:31:56 PST

could someone please tell me where i can get some tennis gif's?
thanx

BusterR!
From: ertunazi@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: ATP Tour final Grouping
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:35:50 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov13.113831.1879@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
> Rob Laver Group:  Courier, Ivanisevic, Chang, LENDL
> 
> Ken Rosewall Group:  Edberg, Sampras, Korda, Becker

(some sections deleted)
> 
> 
> -- Shun Cheung,  Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA



Is Lendl in the ATP finals, for sure?  He lost in Antwerp. I was wondering if
Forget still has a chance.

Ilhan
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From: jwhub@sci.kun.nl (Jan Willem Hubbers)
Subject: Re: Sport(s) channel tv-commentators
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:47:14 GMT

In <1e00djINNppl@iraul1.ira.uka.de> smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench) writes:

>Hi,

>I've got a question for people in Europe who like to watch tennis on tv.
>The Antwerp tournament is only shown on Sport(s) Channel (i.e. Sportkanal
>in Germany). I think that Sport(s) Channel is, like Eurosport, transmitted
>all over Europe and that there are different commentators commenting in
>different languages. In my opinion, the ones that speak german are the
>worst ones I've ever heard. One of them is commenting nearly every shot,
>it's not necessary to watch anymore. And he always knows what the players
>feel and what they think and what they will do next... it's awful.

>Stefan

Well, this is a subject I could talk about for days. I don't know about
the german commentators, but I do know about the dutch. They're awful too.
As for the other networks: Eurosport beats them all. They have somebody
called Herman Kuiphof. He's on top of my list of worst commentators, closely
followed by Ted van der Meer (also Eurosport), Heinze Bakker and Marcella
Mesker (both NOS, dutch national television). Kuiphof manages to call
Edberg Lendl... (3 times within 5 minutes), and can not keep his mouth shut.
Ted van der Meer sounds like he is more interested in basketball or anything
BUT tennis, Heinze Bakker doesn't know the first thing about tennis, but 
thinks he knows everything. Mesker continuously talks about psychology,
and has a very strange perception of tactics (especially for an ex-pro).

I know the BBC has some good commentators, but they don't broadcast tennis
very much.

Jan-Willem
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Becker routs Ivanisevic!!!
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:30:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov8.143149.16675@cs.brown.edu> PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>
>If there is any anti-Becker sentiment existing, it's from those so called
>"true" and "diehard" fans who speak with too much emotion rather than
>reasoning. If I am a true and diehard Becker fan, I wouldn't make
>those statements to turn other people off. Please act like a real Becker
>fan!

Exactly. I also hope that people in this group behave like adults
and post with maturity. There really is no need to post a "Becker
is the greatest" type article every time he wins a match. Just imagine
Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Courier, Sampras, Seles, Graf, Sabatini fans
all do that, this group would be a very busy place. :-)
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