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From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: homosexuals in the military and "pro-life"
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:39:20 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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In article <24874@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>1)  Has anyone noticed that very few woman (civilian or military)
>have a problem with the idea of homosexuals serving in the military?  
>What's the matter with you male homophobes?  a little unsure 
>of your own sexuality?

Many women in the military are delighted with the prospect, since the
only way the brass is ever going to enforce the rules about sexual
harassment is out of fear that gay men will otherwise harass THEM.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that this whole dispute is about to demonstrate
that the Democrats do not, in fact, control the Senate; rather, the
Republicans have much better party discipline, and there are enough
pseudo-Democrat closet Republicans like Sam Nunn around for them to
prevail on many issues.


--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: My man Al!
Keywords: Can you say... George?
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:16:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1k13vjINNabv@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>Okay, let's talk about fair. Dan Quayle was brought into a spelling bee
>and handed a card with the word "potatoe" written on it. Since this is
>an alternate (if obscure) spelling, he fully expected it to be the spelling
>that was being taught to the children there, so he asked the child for
>the final letter.
>People are STILL calling him a bad speller.
>What's sauce for the goose....

Craig, let's talk about Al Gore. You don't need Quayle to support your
argument about Gore. I just want the facts: if they support that he made
a bonehead statement, believe me, I'll brutalize him.

"Alternate (if obscure)" is decidely sympathetic. It *is* obscure, being from
an archaic form of British English, but it is not alternate, not in modern
standard English, and certainly not in American English.

I really hope Quayle didn't "fully expect it to be the spelling that was being
taught to the children there". That's a pathetic defense of a pathetic public
screwup.

Dan
deherrin@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:32:58 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <MDL.93Jan25101737@ak.cypress.com> mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum) writes:
>yIn article <1993Jan24.193840.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
>
> 
>	   Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
>   the military and lifted the gag rule!
>
>[rest of rant deleted]
>
>   -- 
>   Signed,
>
>   Daniel Rouse, Jr.
>   Sophomore, Computer Engineering 
>
>
>and I thought only Freshmen left themselves logged in like this

    Unfortunately, this post is vintage Rouse flamebait.  He evidently
doesn't get enough attention at home.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: basile@Kodak.COM (Bob Basile)
Subject: Inaugural Speech
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:19:27 GMT

Can anyone tell me how to get the text of President Clinton's inaugural speech?
(I remember that his campaign speeches are on a server in Wisconsin, but don't
remember the path to it.)

Thanks in advance-
-- 
Bob Basile                     basile@kodak.com
Eastman Kodak Company
Rochester, NY 14650-1816       1-716-722-9032
From: csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Transcript please
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:49:13 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
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In article <C1Is88.DCz@boi.hp.com> dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
>Someone please post a transcript of the State of the Union address. Thank you.
>

He has not given the State of the Union address. He has given an inaugrual
speech. Is that what you want?

And could someone PLEASE tell me when the State of the Union address will be
given???????

------
"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
much on conjecture and miracles."
Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.flame.spelling
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: DON'T Confirm Les Aspen
Organization: a gora
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:03:21 GMT

>lee@tellabs.com (Eric Lee) writes:
>
>>I say Les Aspen should not be confirmed as Secretary of
>>Defense until he can learn to say _nuclear_ instead of
>>_nucular_ as he did throughout his confirmation hearings.


  If you can't spell "Aspin" why should he have to pronounce "nuclear"?
From: bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: A few words about Flip-Flops
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:20:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

kme@node_1f11c.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards) writes:

>Maybe a presidential canidate shouldn't pander to become elected while blasting
>the president for doing so ?????

Maybe, just maybe, he thought it was viable early in the campaign, and rather
than being an obstinate fool and sticking with it when he realized it wasn't
feasible, he decided to back down?????

>All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
>my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.

That's very clear...

Ben
-- 
Ben McCall, Caltech - bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu
SEDS President, Technical Projects Coordinator
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:43:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.052201.26882@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (Harel Barzilai) writes:
 << text omitted >>
>From: charles@essential.org (Charles Bennington)
>Subject: Letter to Senate Judiciary Committe

  << text omitted >>

|     In addition, Ms. Baird's stance on many critical public policy issues
|appear to be in direct contradiction to positions that President-elect
|Clinton took during his campaign.  For example, reports have suggested
|that she has actively lobbied against corporate taxpayer accountability
|and anti-fraud laws on behalf of the defense industry; that she supports
|the agenda of restrictions on legal rights initiated by Vice President Dan
|Quayle and large corporate wrongdoers, polluters, manufacturers of
|dangerous products, and the insurance industry; and that she is opposed to
|having the government enact national health care reform.  This raises
|questions as to whether President-elect Clinton's campaign positions will
|be carried out if Ms. Baird becomes the Attorney General.  These questions
|must also be thoroughly explored during the confirmation process.

  << text omitted >>
|Sincerely,
|
|
|Scott Armstrong, Taxpayers Against Fraud (affiliation for identification
|purposes only.)
|Robert C. Fellmeth, Director, Center for Public Interest Law   
|Price Public Interest Professor of Law, University of San Diego Law School
| (affiliation for identification purposes only.)
|Lois Gibbs, Citizens' Clearinghouse for Hazardous Waste
|Pamela Gilbert, Director, Public Citizen's Congress Watch
|Rick Hind, Greenpeace (affiliation for identification purposes only.)
|J. Robert Hunter, President, National Insurance Consumer Organization
|Ralph Nader
|Harvey Rosenfield, Chair, Voter Revolt
|Quentin Young, Physicians for a National Health Program  
|
|cc: Senate Judiciary Committee
From: cote@cs.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Flip-flop?!?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:56:24 GMT

barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown) writes:

>This is a point that conservatives like to "presume" has been proved.  If
>anything the contrary is true - The Japanise, Korean and German governments
>all take a very active government intervention policy.  Countrys that don't-
>e.g Britain + America have less successful economys.

Excuse me? Are you sure about Britain? You must be joking. From the
1940's on, Britain nationalized just about everything, including a
healthy auto manufacturing sector. All gone now, except for Rolls
Royce and Jaguar (owned by Ford). Thatcher and her government worked
for years to sell off these inefficient, government owned money
drains. 

You might want to check out a recent economics report by two Stanford
economics professors who studied productivity in the US, Japan, and
other countries. They concluded that US productivity was higher in
almost all sectors of the economy, and that it was due to the lack of
government interference.

                                    Brad Cote'
                                    University of California, San Diego
                                    STARE Project
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: monitn@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: homosexuals in the military and "pro-life"
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:57 GMT

csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:

>In article <24874@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>>Two questions to consider:
>>
>>1)  Has anyone noticed that very few woman (civilian or military)
>>have a problem with the idea of homosexuals serving in the military?  
>>What's the matter with you male homophobes?  a little unsure 
>>of your own sexuality?

>Well, a very large percentage of women in the military already _are_ gay. In
>fact, I have heard many complaints from straight women in the military that
>they were discriminated against. They were passed up for promotions, denied
>perks, etc. all because they were not gay, and their superior officer was.

>>2)  Did you hear that the vice-president of Operation Rescue resigned?
>>He hadn't been paying his court-ordered child support and was threatened
>>with jail for it.  Funny isn't it?  He seems to feel that every fetus
>>should be carried to term, but once born, he doesn't give a damn --
>>even for his own children.

>Have you ever considered the possibility that he never wanted children in
>the first place, and feels that to force a man to financially support a
>child he does not want even before birth, while allowing a woman a quick,
>easy and relatively inexpensive way out is grossly unfair?

Yes, but if Operation Rescue got their way, the woman wouldn't have "a quick,
easy and relatively inexpensive way out". Then neither the man nor the woman
would have a decision.

Nick
monitn@rpi.edu


>-----
>"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
>and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
>much on conjecture and miracles."
>Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Worst of the gala
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:07:40 GMT

csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:

>Speaking of the Hollywood Gala . . .
>Does anyone remember anything like this happening in 1981, 1985 or 1989?

>Either it didn't happen (which supports the conclusion that Hollywood is
>biased),
>Or it did and was not televised (which supports the conclusion that the
>networks are biased),

Let us not forget that the people that performed in the Gala night before
last were INVITED by the Clinton admin.  They are not biased just 
they said that they would perform at such an event. 

However, I would agree that the media would be biased if such an event
happened in 1981, 1985, or 1989 and was not televised.  I don`t remember
there being one though.

W. Stuart Jones
--
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%%  Wesley Stuart Jones         jonesw@hasbro.wes.mot.com               %%
%%                              wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu                 %%
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Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: kme@node_1f11c.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards)
Subject: Re: A few words about Flip-Flops
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:28:58 GMT

In article <1jnkdmINNl1n@gap.caltech.edu>, bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall) writes:
|> paul@hsh.com writes:
|> >We listened.  And this is what we heard from his own lips:
|> 
|> >      -- Bill Clinton, "Putting People First" 6/20/92
|> >    --Clinton's first campaign advertisement, Jan 1992
|> >        Manchester, New Hampshire, 1/19/92                          
|> 
|> Perhaps you shouldn't have stopped listening in June!!!!!!
|> 
|> Ben
|> -- 
|> Ben McCall, Caltech - bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu
|> SEDS President, Technical Projects Coordinator


Maybe a presidential canidate shouldn't pander to become elected while blasting
the president for doing so ?????
-- 
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
(919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca    Ham: N4ZBB

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Week OnE
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:26:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.151817.29013@osf.org> Terri Buchman <buchman@osf.org> writes:
>Gays in the military.  Has anyone else noticed that almost all
>of the criticism of lifting the ban comes from men.  The
>language that the men are employing are extremely similar to
>the language that women have been using for years in describing
>unwanted sexual attention.  Gays make some uncomfortable,
>scared, insecure, etc.  It made me wonder if the men were
>afraid that they would become victims of Tailhook like
>behavior.  In a weird way,  maybe admitting gays into the
>military will strengthen the military code of conduct and make
>sexual harassment more unacceptable for both sexes.

Of course, it could go the other way--if, as you note, the attitudes against
gays in the military also work against sexual harassment, allowing gays in
could make sexual harassment more acceptable....
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Special Message (to Cliton from Fundamentalist Christian)
Keywords: Blood,Lamb,Messiah,Doxology,Psychotic
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:55:32 GMT

In article <21615@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>Fundies hate Clinton for being a pro-choice Baptist.
>Fundies hate period.
>But Fundies make us laugh.
>They *do* put on a good show.

Unfortunately, sometimes God speaks to them, and they make Molotov
cocktails to use on abortion clinics.



--
<Phone rings> "Hello?...  He did what?...  Bomb 'em....  I'm still
President."
			-- Dana Carvey's George Bush, 1/16 SNL
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: Les Aker
Subject: CompuServe Access
Reply-To: aker@hightop.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: NRL Computer Security
Distribution: World
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:05:51 GMT

I've heard in the RUMINT (Rumor Intelligence) lately that the Clinton
transition team had set themselves up with a CompuServe account.  Is this true,
& if it is what is the account number on compuserve.com & will it be continued
now that they have officially taken office?

Les Aker
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: tax increases
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


seems during the campaign clinton said he wanted to tax the rich more and 
foreign companies (saying both should pay their fair share)
told ross perot that gas tax was regressive and unfair to middle and lower
class.  said bush abandoned the middle class.  wanted to give middle class
a tax break.  

now all i hear is all this tax tax tax crap...tax energy...what kind of 
stupid idea is that?  just takes money out of everyones pocket who can't
afford it...less money to spend on other things.  and why are we not 
hearing talk of cut spending, cut cut cut.  every time those morons raise 
taxes to 'reduce' the defecit the defecit goes up...duh...how is that
happening...

gotta cut spending big...make it hurt...cut long...cut hard...cut now!!!
there is no free lunch!
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: My man Al!
Keywords: Can you say... George?
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:33:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1jmfveINNiv@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>So, did anyone else hear about Al Gore's little slip-up over
>at Monticello?
>
>It was on one of the national wake-up whows here the other
>morning.
>
>Apparently, Al Gore pointed to a portrait hung in one of the
>rooms in Thomas Jefferson's former home, and asked "Who's
>that?" to the amazement of those present.
>
>It was a portrait of George Washington.
>
>I haven't heard this story since that morning (I think it was
>Tuesday), but I thought it was pretty funny.

You're not giving us much to go on here, Mike. Was the portrait of 
Washington a recognizable one (we've all seen the guy with the cloud-like
hair, and we've all seen the uncompleted painting)?

You haven't heard this story since Tuesday, and I haven't heard it at all,
though I don't usually listent to morning wake-up shows on account of I
can't stand the idiotic braying DJ-duos engage in.

Please, do tell more.

If you're posting (and please, post!) fill us in a little more. That way,
we can either rag on Al Gore, or we can rag on you. Either way, we stand
to win, and you might win too!

Regards,
Dan

>---------------------------------------------------------------
>My opinions - not my employer's
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: Transcript please
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:10:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

>>Someone please post a transcript of the State of the Union address. Thank you.
>He has not given the State of the Union address. He has given an inaugrual
>speech. Is that what you want?
>And could someone PLEASE tell me when the State of the Union address will be
>given???????

Last night.  Tuesday, January 26th at 7pm mountain time.
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: A few words about Flip-Flops
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:21:43 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1993Jan20.091608.1@acad.drake.edu>, vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
> In article <1jiv97INNoc9@gap.caltech.edu>, bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall) writes:
> 
[...]  
>>>Clinton lied. Clinton never believed in what he said. 
>> 
>> Clinton did not lie.  And Clinton believed exactly what he said - and you may
>> note that he always said that "i'm not not gonna say 'read my lips' because
>> I don't know how the situation will change and I can't forsee everything."
>> But he gave the nation an idea where he wanted to go and how he wanted to get
>> there.
>> Anyone who thinks that Clinton lied and didn't believe what he said is
>> clearly lacking clues about reality!!!!!!  Or perhaps he or she just listened
>> to what the media said and didn't actually LISTEN to what Clinton said...

We listened.  And this is what we heard from his own lips:

"My plan will cut the deficit in half within four years."
      -- Bill Clinton, "Putting People First" 6/20/92

	"...I believe you deserve more than 30-second ads or vague promises. 
That's why I've offered a comprehensive plan to get our economy moving
again...It starts with a tax cut for the middle class and asks the rich to
pay their fair share again." 
    --Clinton's first campaign advertisement, Jan 1992

"I want to make it very clear that this middle class tax cut, in 
my view, is central to any attempt we are going to make to have 
a short term economic strategy and a long term fairness         
strategy, which is part of getting this country going again."   
     -- Bill Clinton, ABC News Primary Debate                       
        Manchester, New Hampshire, 1/19/92                          


------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ 

Paul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)

   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: kme@node_1f11c.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards)
Subject: Re: A few words about Flip-Flops
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:43:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.161048.1@acad.drake.edu>, vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
|>  Now we can only hope that Jack Kemp runs in 1996.
|> 
|> --Vince Goddard

Does anyone have info on Jack Kemp's steering committee(s) ???
-- 
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
(919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca    Ham: N4ZBB

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, or president(-elect).
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