From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:11:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.025724.2641@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
> This is primarily aimed at that creature by the initial M.G.
> 
> To begin, Christains lived in the middle east six hundred years before Islam begun. In
> case you did not know, most of the generals that lead the armies of Mohammed were
> Christains who were hired by the prophet and his associates. Later on they were forced
> to convert to Islam or face death by the sword like every one else.
Mr. Faris,
Can you give us references to those christians GENERALS that leads the prophet's
armies ?????
For your knowledge (which after reading your article I doubt exists) non-muslims
were NOT allowed to fight with an Islamic army. Jihad at those days was done by
MUSLIMS only. 
Also as a lesson in History for you, the land which is now Palestine, Syria,
Lebanon, Iraq and Iran as well as the other Islamic countries were opened after
the death of the prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). So are you saying that he
hired them after being dead ???????
For your information also NO ONE CAN BE FORCED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. I don't know
why some of our christian brothers and sisters do not understand that. The rule
is very clear in the Quran :

LA IKRAHA FIDDIN

It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah (II) after (Ayat Alkursi). 
Were Muslims to convert people by force, you wouldn't find any non-muslim
nowadays in the middle east. Instead for Muslims their duty is not to force
people to any religion but make clear the truth (i.e. Islam) to people, whoever
accepts it is from them and whovere doesn't then he/she is left to his/her own
religion.

> 
> Christains DO NOT LOOK TO FRANCE OR ANY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY AS THEIR MOTHER COUNTRY.
> It is only through desparity that they have any feelings toward the west. They have
> been alienated by the present political climate from beeing involved directly and do no
> have control over their destiny.

Well, about what country are you talking ? Since this is soc.culture.LEBANON I
assume you are talking about LEBANON. Well the president of the republic is
CHRISTAIN, the army cheif is CHRISTAIN, CHRISTIANS had a majority in the
parliament, now they have equal seats as do muslims. Then can you explain how
they have been alienated from being involved directly and have control over their
destiny ? I guess Muslims and Christians in Lebanon messed up their destiny.

> Islam has never and will never lead to unification
> (sorry to disappoint you). People will unify when they have common goals and agendas,
> not because they beleive in the same god and religion. You happen to live in a unified
> country and I perceive that you are Muslim like many other people living in the UK.
>

History Mr. Faris .... History, please go and read History,
How would you explain tribes fighting each other (like Al-Aous and Al-Khazraj of
Madinah) and having those great wars between them (Like Dahis Wal Ghabraa) that
killed many of them. How do you explain the transformation from such a state to a
UNIFIED front that was able to defeat both superpowers of its time ?
How do you explain centuries of Islamic UNIFICATION of the whole middle east ?
According to History Mr. Faris, Muslims became not unified when they left their
religion (Allah's Book and the Sunnah of his messenger).
 
> The christains consider the Middle East as their home, as I do. To be honest with you,
> if the christains were in political control, the Middle East will be in its GLORY.
> People will not be treated as political "hotdogs" by western powers and Isreal.
> Civilisation will be very technically and socially advanced as these people have proven
> in the past.

Yeah !
that's why we have now all over the world SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Yep,
Mr. Faris the middle east will be in its Glory just like when CHRISTIANS used to
control Europe in the DARK AGES. Yep people will not be treated as political
hotdogs but as political slaves, they will be offered paradise to go on a crusade
to liberate Jerusalem and kill its inhabitants and make rivers of blood. They
will be made to participate in the inquisition to wipe out any non-CHRISTIAN
symbol (like what the spanish CHRISTIANS did to MUSLIMS AND JEWS). Yep
Christianity has made sciences and technology very advanced, like killing the one
that says that the earth is rotating around the sun. 

> Look at the Assyrians and Babylonians in your back yard, look at the
> Pheonicians, look at the syrians in the north (Haleb, Ebla, etc), look at aramaic
> people of damascus. They have built great civilisations that western powers are still
> relying on to this day.

Woops,
Assyrians are christians ? Phoenicians are christians ?  Babylonians are
christians ?
O.K. well if you consider those christains then what can I say ??????

> 
> To summarise your education lesson, christains are not to blame for the present
> problems in the Middle East and did not spoil your effort to unify under Islam. I
> beleive Islam or any religion with the exception of Judiasm is incapable of unifying
> people. This is exactly how Jews meant it to be when they created Christianity and
> Islam. You should read the epics of Gilgamish a famous Assyrian, study the recent
> findings in the ancient city of Ebla in northern Syria, and read the codes of Hammurabi.
>

Woooooooops 
Jews created christianity and Islam ?
Well Well Mr. Faris do you really consider yourself a christian ? How about any
other christians ? Does this represent your thinking ? Is your religion the
invention of JEWS ? Do you really beleive that Mr. Faris ? If I were in your
place and I beleived that I would directly convert to Judaism since it seems in
your opinion it is the only TRUE religion (all others are invented by JEWS).
 
> A.Faris

Mr. Faris is this a joke or do you really beleive what you wrote ?

rached