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From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs as companions vs. working
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:55:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

Somehow I managed to lose the article thread I wanted to respond to.  Sorry
about the funny subject line.

I don't like to get involved in flame arguments, but since this is a subject
extremely close to my heart, I had to throw my 2 cents in.  (Take it for
what it's worth :^)

I do not believe that every dog should be used only for the purpose for
which the breed was originally developed.  There are many, MANY worthwhile
duties that a dog could perform - guide dogs, assistance dogs, 
search & rescue, therapy work, various kinds of police work, etc.
The highest duty a dog can perform in my opinion, is to be a wonderful,
loving member of a family.

HOWEVER, I believe it is EXTREMELY important that a dog of a specific breed
should have what it takes to perform the function for which the breed was
developed before the dog is used for breeding.  This includes the physical
structure, the "look" of the breed, and the instincts necessary to do the
job.  (and, of course, good health)
For example,
A Lab or Golden who doesn't retrieve shouldn't be bred.
A terrier without the strong prey drive shouldn't be bred.
A Doberman without some suspicion of strangers or alertness to
	odd behavior or situations shouldn't be bred.
A herding dog without the desire to chase and control livestock shouldn't
	be bred.

Since my breeds are herding breeds, that is where I have put most of my
effort.  I don't just say these things, I've done everything in my power
to get other people to feel the same way.

I have been involved in herding instinct tests for 5 years, from dragging
friends & their dogs to them to putting them on myself.  I've put on
herding clinics, given herding demonstrations, given talks at various
local kennel clubs, and pushed, pushed, PUSHED people to take herding
ability as an important factor in breeding.

I have started up a local herding club and am doing every thing I can
to get people involved in it, as well as doing everything I can to help
people evaluate their dog's potential, even if they don't want to go
through the TREMENDOUS effort of training their dog for trials.

Well, I guess all I wanted to say is that I practice what I preach.
I hope the rest of you do the same.  

For any of you who may be interested, I will be doing a herding demonstration
at the vet school's Dog Olympics on Sept. 26th in Raleigh, NC.
My club (Triangle Herding Club) will also be holding a herding test and
trial which will include instinct testing on December 5 & 6 at my place
north of Raleigh.  (sponsored by the American Herding Breeds Association)


Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
& kids- Apropos My Tigerlily PT CGC (Terv)
   	Apropos My Marco Polo CD HT CGC (Terv)
	El-Baff's Cricket (Border Collie)
	Meg (Border Collie)

Gone but not forgotten - Siegfried Von Der Niebel CDX (GSD)
			U-CD CH Fierami's Magical Mischief CDXTD HT CGC (Terv)
			U-CD Calais de la Zia CDX HIC (Terv)
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need help writing Nasty Letter
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: amiranda@ariel.aero.org (Ann Miranda)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA

AM>         Anyhow, it turns out that  Shelby has mange, a skin disease
AM> which is caused by microscopic critters (parasitic mites).
AM>        We first noticed the mange actually when we got her, as a small
AM> scratch looking patch on her forehead.  But, we assumed it was just
AM> a scratch.  A month later, when a bulge appeared in the same spot,
AM> and kept growing, we became suspicious, and took her to the vet to
AM> have it checked.  He took a skin scraping and saw the mites and lots
AM> of eggs on her skin.  The vet told us that mange is passed from the
AM> mother while nursing the puppies.  He said there is no other way

From what you have described I am assuming that she has Demodectic
Mange. This is extremely common! ALL dogs carry the mite. It is usually
activated during times of stress (puppy going to new home). Once you get
it cleared up it will most likely never occur again. 3 of my Bostons
have had this as puppies. The Vets gave me the same song and dance that
they gave you. I ignored them, once it was cleared up I have never had a
reoccurance. I bred Sable and she had 4 pups in October, none of the
pups have had this problem, Sable has been shown extensivly and has
never had a reoccurance, and believe me traviling all over the US can be
stressful on a dog.

AM>         All I know is that Shelby is a BEAUTIFUL dog, with the
AM> exception of the permanent, and ugly, hair loss patch on the top of
AM> her head, and the other hair loss patches that are beginning to show
AM> up all over her body.
AM>        And, I have to take poor Shelby to the vet every 2 weeks for
AM> a mininum of 4 weeks, and possibly up to 12 weeks or until she is
AM> cured, for midoban baths, at a cost of $30 per bath.

The vet is taking you for alot of money. There is no reason for you to
have to take her to him for the dipping. He could have and should have
given you the dip with instruction on how to use it. He just wants more
money!! I would question, why the mange is spreading if he is treating
it. On all 3 of my girls from the time I started dipping them, it did
not continue to spread and within a couple of months all the hair had
grown back. All 3 are show dogs and I could not have shown them with
bald patches. My closest friend breeds and shows Mini Longhaired Doxies
she has had mange with them and all the hair has come back without a
problem.

There is nothing you can do or say to the breeder as this is not her
fault. All dogs have the mite on them, it is just the luck of the draw
as to whether or not yours will decide to become active.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: National Specialty Brags !!
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:12:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Just got back from the Australian Cattle Dog Club of America National
Specialty and boy
do I have a bunch to brag about !!  

I'm sure it's the same for all dog fanciers in any breed.......but even
after my second National
I am still overwhelmed by seeng *so many* ACDs in one place at one time !!

Monday was Properties class judged by a well-known Australian
breeder-judge-author.
Stuffy (Katwala's Double Stuff) made the final cut in her Puppy Class and
Oreo (Ch Five
Cedar's Black-Eyed Oreo) made the final cut in the "Best Headed Bitch"
Class.

Tuesday was Obedience, Sweepstakes and Dog Classes.  Oreo started off my
day (obedience
began at 7:00 a.m. - yawn !!)  by getting her first leg and placing third
in Novice B !!
Stuffy made the day even better when she placed 4th in her Sweepstakes
class (out of 11).

Wednesday was the rest of Conformation Judging.  Stuffy placed 4th in
Bred-By-Exhibitor
Bitches, Yonder (Ch Bryn Mawr's Wild Blue Yonder) got an Award of Merit
(only 5 awarded...
not bad for a two year old "baby"), both Oreo and Yonder helped their Dad
(Ch Bryn Mawr's
Rough N' Rowdy) get 3rd place in the Stud Dog Class and then (my proudest
moment)  Oreo and 
Stuffy were awarded Best Brace in Show !!  :-).

Thanks for listening to my brags !!!  
Cattle Dog Kisses and Heeler Hugs to all your four-legged beasties !

Kathy
____________________________________________________________________
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Show Brags - (Bookers wee
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: rep@icd.ab.com
REP>Subject: Show Brags - (Bookers weekend)
REP>Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
REP>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:49:19 GMT

REP>On saturday, Booker (my 11 month old Bernese Mtn Dog) went
REP>best of winners for 1 point... and on sunday he again went
REP>bow for another point. He up to 9 now with one 4 point major.

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REP>Sunday night he started his career as a stud dog mating his
REP>1/2 sisters (dirrefent moms) mother.

REP>So I guess I'll add a question... what he going to like when
REP>we get him back on Thursday...???

He should be a "Happy Camper" |-}!
Since he should know now what to do if you have any bitches in season be
very careful or you could have some very quick accidental matings.
A couple of months ago my old boston was in season, she has always slept
out and stays on her bed. My 6 month male puppy broke out of his crate
and mated with her. To say the least I was surprised. A mating can
happen when you least expect it. ( i  had her mismated, her line has a
history of epilepsy and i would never perpetuate that). Just be careful
with him in the future around lady's in season.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Custom Paw-print Shirts, Slacks, and Skirts
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:38:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.215613.6477@cbfsb.cb.att.com> millios@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (william.l.millios) writes:
>My 6 month old Chesapeake has developed (well, never really lost)
>this annoying habit of jumping on people.
>
>She doesn't jump on me - I've trained that out of her.  She won't
>jump on people that I've explained the "squeeze paws" technique
>to.
>
> ... descriptions of jumping deleted
>
>How can I train her not to jump on people?  When we "greet"
>people, she's pulling at the leash so hard as to choke herself,
>but the connection doesn't click.

Have you considered trying a prong collar?  You can bet she'll notice this.
You needn't yank on it, just hold on firmly, so that if she lunges, she'll
get a meaningful correction.  (Disclaimer -- I've never used a prong collar,
so take this suggestion with a box of salt.)

You might also train her to sit when strangers approach.

Don't forget that she's still a baby.  Puppies have very short attention
spans, and have trouble remembering even the stuff that they know....

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From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: biting at feet all the time!
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:36:53 GMT

In article <rasmussenc.22.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>My mother wanted me to post this for her - 
>
>She has a 4 year old female Bichon Frise who constantly bites at her pads.  
>At first, Mom thought Milkshake (don't laugh :-), a little kid named her, 
>and Mom adopted Milkshake as a two year old and never changed the name...) 
>only bit at her feet when they were wet.  Now it seems that everytime the 
>dog goes out and comes back in, she's biting at them.  When Mom took her to 
>the vet for her yearly shots, she told the vet about it, and he basically 
>said, "Oh Really?", and that was it.  Any ideas?
>
>(If you want to e-mail directly to Mom, that would be great -- 
>	KMM@galen.med.virginia.edu )
>
>Thanks in advance!  -Chris

Allergies.  All my bichons, Cammie, Harpo, and Chico, bite their pads
from a little to a lot, depending on the state of their allergic
reaction to various things (fleas are at the top of the list).  Biting
the nails is also a sign of allergy.
The trick is in figuring out what the dog is allergic to.  One can
make educated guesses--is it only during the summer? (fleas, or
pollen)--or do the dermatologist routine that costs a lot of money and
time...

Good luck

--Rob
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From: srb@atmosmips.jpl.nasa.gov (Susan Beutelschies)
Subject: Re: help with retriever problem
Reply-To: srb@atmosmips.jpl.nasa.gov (Susan Beutelschies)
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:07:54 GMT

Laurie,
   Stealing socks, shoes, and underwear was my puppy's favorite
game when we first got her.  She always seamed to be proud of
herself when she did this, trotting past us just out of reach, and
into the back yard, invoking a chase.  While we didn't think it
was much fun, we could see why she did.  We'd read somewhere
that retrieving should not be discouraged, and that the proper
'correction' is to remove the stolen object, and replace with an
acceptable toy.  The problem is that it's the chase that was fun
for our dog, and we never chased her when she had one of HER
toys.
   This went on for about a month.  We'd say 'NO!' whenever
we cought her picking something of ours up, but this just wasn't
getting her to stop.  All the while, I'd been reading the net, and
learning more about the benifits of Alpha-rolling.  I'd read the
Monks' book (How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend), but never
thought this little pup might be thinking SHE was in the running
for Alpha dog!  So one day I tried it.  She was in the yard with a
shoe, and I said 'Callisto, come here!'.  She ran into the house,
where I was able to corner her, take the shoe away, and Alpha-
roll her, saying 'Don't take my shoe!'
   From that day on (I'm not exaggerating!), she'll still pick up
something once in a while (but not NEARLY as often) that's not
hers, but when we say 'DROP!', she stands still and lets us come
up to her and remove the object from her mouth!  We still
replace the object with something acceptable.  I've only Alpha-
rolled her one other time, and that was for barking too much.
   Callisto also sometimes gets something all the way into her
mouth and won't drop it.  But she's small, so it's easy to pry her
mouth open.  Maybe someone else can help you with this.

Good luck!
Susan "I'M the Alpha dog!" Beutelschies
srb@atmosmips.jpl.nasa.gov
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Scaredy cat dog
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <19382@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:

>Both CHD and hip displaysia are hereditary and
>cannot be influenced by environmental factors.

This seems a bit strong to me.  Yes, they are hereditary diseases,
nothing changes that.  But the clinical symptoms can be aggravated or
minimized with environmental factors.  This includes keeping their
weight down and restraining them from doing things like jumping.  In
this manner, you have a dog with HD, but that is much more comfortable
(minimum pain) than it would be if you let it get overweight and jump
around and put more stress on those dysplastic joints.  So preventing
a dysplastic dog from going up and down the stairs may, in fact, help
reduce its pain.  It would, however, not remove the fact that it has
HD since that is hereditary.

--Cindy


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The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.
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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY)
Subject: Re: Walking multiple dogs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.163710.28906@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes...
>In article <172vi2INNrri@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>>I have considered getting Halti collars for all of them so that I can
>>put them all on leads and let them get out in front of me, but I have
>>not done that yet.  How do the rest of you walk 3 or more dogs at the
>>same time?  
>>
Hey I've got you both beat!  I go for a 3 mile jog with my 4 dogs every
morning.  You should see the looks I get!!  Three of the dogs are on leashes 
while Ruger runs along freely.  He was my first dog and I had the time to
train him about roads.  Even if a cat pops up in front of us, he will chase it
to the edge of the sidewalk and then bark at it furiously.  I use 2 leather
leashes for the others with a nylon Y to connect the 2 Belgians.  Landry loves
to pull and Loucha loves to drag along so Landry pulls Loucha!  I thought my
limit would be 3 dogs but I've learned to adjust to 4 dogs BUT I don't think
I could handle 5!  They keep me moving along at a very good pace and I don't
really have time to worry about wether I want to run or not.  I don't like to
make them sit to cross streets because this isn't good for my jogging but we
do slow down to my command "hold on" and then take off to "okay, cross".

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:58:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Soon to be new dog owner needs advice!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs


William Porter (wmporter@jetson.uh.edu) writes:

> 3. As far as training, I suggest that you get ahold of the FAQ sheets put
> together by Cindy Tittle Moore for this newsgroup. They are EXCELLENT. You
> would want to get two in particular: "New Owners, New Dogs" and
> "Dogs/FAQ-Training". These are available by anonymous ftp from
> pit-manager.mit.edu in the directory /pub/usenet/news.answer/dogs-faq.(Get the
> files that there are named "new" and "training.") I recommend them all, but
> these two are most important at first. Hey, go get them right now--BEFORE you

I can't get to this ftp site.
Could someone please email these FAQ lists to me, or get me the internet
address for the anonymous ftp site at pit-manager.mit.edu?  

I'm trapped in here and I can't get to the outside world!!!

My email address is karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com

Thanks in advance,
Karen
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Flea Powder as Carpet Powder?
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:27:31 GMT

I know that there has been a lot of talk about such things as using
borax on one's carpet to help control fleas...but I have never seen
a discussion [perhaps I've just missed it?] of sprinkling flea powder
on the carpeting, and then vacuuming it up, much like the deoderizing
carpet powders one can get.

How about it?  Any reason to not do it?  Any reason it wouldn't work?
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SPITZ DOGS
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:25:28 GMT

In article <897@hobby.ukc.ac.uk>, jm6@ukc.ac.uk (J.Mitchell) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Hello there
|> 
|> I'm new to this group so I hope I don't ask any obvious or FAQs. I am thinking
|> about getting a Spitz type of dog but they are not that common where I come from
|> so I can't just ask a neighbour etc. about them.

These are terrific dogs (i.e., Malamutes, Siberian Huskies, Samoyeds, and the
like)

|> 
|> One major problem I have read about these dogs is there 'Call of the Wild' 
|> nature, from what I have read the second you let them off a lead they shoot off
|> only to return several hours later, is it true or does it just happen 
|> occasionally? It would be a real shame to never let a dog like these have a 
|> good run about for fear of them never returning.

Any dog can be trained to come when called, but the so-called Spitz type dogs are
notorious for disappearing.  Think about it, these dogs were bred for energy to
pull sleds for long distances.  You can channel that energy into such activities
as mushing, weight pulling, skijouring, and backpacking (the latter three need
only one dog).  Personally, I would not let any dog run loose unless, 1. I knew
this dog was properly trained to come, and 2. I supervised the dog while off
leash.

|> 
|> One other minor point is about their smell, if I understand correctly this type
|> of dog does not have a particularly 'doggie' smell, is that right or is the 
|> book I read wrong?
|>

Trust me, they smell like a dog.  However, there are ways to minimize the smell
on all dogs.
 
|> Any reply by email or to this group would be gratefully recieved
|> 
|> JOHN

I would recommend you do *a lot* of breed research before getting a dog.  Read
books on the dogs you're considering and talk to local breed clubs.  (You'll find
good breeders there too).  Learn the standards for the breed and get to know the
dogs personally.  You may decide these dogs may not be the kind you want. 
Remember, a dog is an *investment*.  An investment of money, time, and, of
course, emotions.  Realize too that dogs are not disposable objects.  There is a
lot of responsibility associated with them.  I have an FAQ on new dog ownership. 
If you would like it or would like to discuss the breeds in question in more
detail, please contact me.

Sky Warrior

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