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From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Graphics (for plotting):Quinn Curtis, Mac Toolbox, MS toolbox
Keywords: Graphics, Quinn Curtis, MS, Quickdraw
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:53:13 GMT

For an upcoming project, I am interested in porting the Quinn Curtis graphics
package (for the PC, written under MS Fortran) to the NeXT. Since the QC
graphics library is based on primitives in the MS graphics library which are
loosely based on the Mac Quickdraw primitives (how loosely is for the courts
to decide it seems), the port reduces to converting this "toolbox".

 My question(s)--Has anyone already ported one of these
libraries (Quickdraw, MS, or QC) to the NeXT? Is there anyone else out there
who would be interested in such a port?

Thanks,

Charlie


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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14371 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:3089
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 09:25:39 EDT
From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Sybase WANTED

I am looking for a Sybase limited server for NeXT. I saw one for sale for
$150 a couple days ago, but have lost the message.  I am posting mainly
in the hope that that person will contact me.  Other offers in that range
can also be entertained.

Prefer an uninstalled package.

Thanks.
From: mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Martin David Frankel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: PixelMagician ships !!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:25:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.odvBRui00WBK49xdYr
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 15-Apr-92 Re: PixelMagician
ships !!! by Todd M. Swan@twins.lanl. 
>Am I the only one that thinks this is incredibly overpriced?   It's only a  
>viewer and converter right?  It would be worth that for an *editor*.  Not to
>mention the fact nearly all these conversions can be done with stuff that is
>free from the net.  The $99 student price seems like it should be the list  
>price.
> 
>Just my $.02...
> 
>Todd

What makes this even more ironic is that the free converters that Todd
is referring to happen to provide the basic functionality for of
PixelMagician.
They are from the PBMPLUS package written by Jeff Posansker.
So PixelMagician is, at $299, basically a NeXTstep app wrapper for PBMPLUS.

Disclaimer:  I don't have access to my computer at the moment to check
all of this (dead keyboard).  It is what I remember from looking at the
demo of PixelMagician and at PBMPLUS.  I probably at the very least
misspelled Jeff's name.  But this I am quite sure of:  the basic modules
used by PixelMagician are from the public domain.

     -- Martin
From: bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: wanted: disk enclosure and cables
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:44:50 GMT
Reply-To: bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head)
Distribution: na
Organization: Headfirst Software, Vancouver, BC, Canada

Peter Rayner writes
> Ok, well I now have a bare disk,thanks to the net and some patience.
> Now I need an enclosure and cables for the thing.  These seem
> surprisingly expensive, $200-300 for single-disk enclosures.  Has
> anybody done significantly better than this?  I am literally immune to
> aesthetics which should help.  

I bought an enclosure from Tulin Corp.  Very nice. Here's the details

Tulin Corp, San Jose, CA
(408) 432-9025  Fax:(408) 943-0782

Part No. TLSC651     65 Watt A-Hive  (holds one full-ht, or two half ht)
                     $169.00

I painted it black and it looks great and is quite quiet.

..Brad
-- 
Bradley Head, bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (NeXTmail :-)
InStep Mobile Communications, Inc., Headfirst Software Ltd. 
Executive of Vancouver NeXT User's Society, Vancouver, BC.
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From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul B. Verket)
Subject: Re: Microphone interference
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:37:19 GMT

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
: 
: Has anyone been having as much trouble as I have with noisy microphones?  
: Now that I'm (trying) to use Simon Says, every microphone I try sounds  
: like a hornet's nest, there is so much 60 hz buzzing. The source of the  
: radiation is clearly the monitor - I have a "vintage" monitor without the  
: built-in microphone.
: ...Does anyone have any suggestions?

I also have a "vintage" monitor and had the same problem with a "dynamic -
moving coil" headset mic. I replaced it with an Audio-Technica electret
mic and the 60Hz noise went away.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
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From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: Round and Round and Round he goes (was: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:01:48 GMT

In article <12390@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>  
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> 
> $ In article <1992Apr9.225405.15278@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>  
> coco@ihcoco.att.com  
> $ (Felix A. Lugo) writes:
> $ > 	I love RTF-NewsGrazer ... Keep-em coming gentry!
> 
> $ NOT!
> $ 
> $ This is not the correct newsgroup for such things, and you
> $ know it. 
> 
> then
> 
> >In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
> >	What I do know, however, is that a bigoted FEW want to
> >	DICTATE what other people may or may not do in this  
> newsgroup;
> >	-- AND I'M SICK OF IT!  (I should have used RTF for this  
> line).
> 

Uh, you'd better don the old flame-resistant suit, cuz you goofed.   Nathan  
didn't say the second thing.  Felix Lugo did...

Read a little more carefully next time...

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
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From: hinds@camis.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Miscellaneous Hardware Quest (modems, internal HDs)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:35:33 GMT

I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could answer the following questions:

1.  I have an external 2400 baud modem (Hayes compatible).  What software/cables    do I need to get it to work?
2.  Is there a PD implementation of SLIP?  If so, where can it be found?
3.  Is it possible to hook up a harddrive designed for internal use outside
    of the NeXT?  Why?  Because I've found some great specials on internal
    HDs but not external ones.  If this is possible, what cables, etc. do I 
    need?

Thanks in advance.

--X


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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXT info II
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.154108.29352@nic.umass.edu> a10j102@titan.ucc.umass.edu  
(Matt Kimmel) writes:

>  Where are these commercial and shareware DJ drivers available?  I could
>  definitely use one.

For the shareware and PD stuff, check out nova.cc.purdue.edu.  Dots is a  
commercial package.  They are in the software and peripherals catalog (which I  
don't have handy right now).


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
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From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: NeXT's RISC Workstation
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.172037.15896@praxis.co.uk> jez@praxis.co.uk (Jeremy Prior)  
writes:
> 			  NEXT TAKES ON 88110 CPU FOR
> 			     NEW RISC WORKSTATION
>     NeXT is planning to
>     announce in October a workstation based on two 88100 RISCs.
>     Motorola rates it at 63 SPECmarks.  The box is to be about
>     $100 per MIPS.

Hmm.  Say (just for the heck of it) that 63 SPEC is 75 MIPS, so two would be  
150 MIPS, which would be $15,000 for the NRW.  However, the other rumours make  
it a 200 MIPS box for $10,000 - or $50/MIP.  Maybe that's the discount price.

Yeah, it's silly to try to get hard numbers from rumours, but its something to  
do while waiting for 3.0...

- Ernie P. 
--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 5:13a
#import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: eronald@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Edmund Ronald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT vs PC
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:19:59 GMT

I don't want to flame, but I own a NeXT, a PC and a Mac II. I have taken
the NeXT dev class, so I know how to use the thing. Still, I find that
my old Toshiba T1000 with no hard disk and Turbo Pascal 5.5 outperfroms
the NeXT for simple programming.
The reason is speed. TP can take under a second to compile, and hilites the
errors in the editor. The strong typing catches most bugs immediately. I've
written both a neural net program, and a genetic algorithm that way, and
found it to be the fastest way to get the job done. Also, I can carry the 
T1000 around, it runs off the RAM disk for 4 hours, and GETS THE JOB DONE.
The NeXT environment is great, but awfully slow (several seconds) badly
integrated (no editor-compiler combo that hilites errors fast), has no
real compile-time checking (the trouble with C) . It is GREAT however for
writing GUI applications. There it beats anything else hands down.
Ha- I have fed the flames some more :-)

Edmund.
From: pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: List of poor educational dealers
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:17:33 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"
There were several reasons given about this, ranging from
being unfamiliar with the NeXT, to I can give a damn about
NeXT's - I will sell only Mac's and IBM's.
The bottom line is that these university campus computer
sales reps, are not promoting the NeXT product line, and
try to confince you that the only computer worth buying is
a Mac or IBM. For NeXT to do better in their university 
sales, these reps should at least acknowledge that NeXT
is a quality machine and should be looked at when making
a decision on which machine to purchase.

Bad reputation:
Washington State University     Brown University
University of Washington        University of Arizona
Berkeley                        University of Rochester
University of Maryland          Brigham Young University
Stanford                        University of Pittsburg
Penn State                      North Carolina State University
Rice                            Universtiy of Oregon
University of Wisconson         Case Western Reserve University
Notre Dame                      San Jose State University
University of Hawaii            New Mexico State University
University of Missouri          Duke
University of Calgary           Harvey Mudd College
Colorado State University       University od Colorado-Boulder

The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
supporting NeXT products. 

Good schools:
University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
MIT


-- 
Peter J. Miles               A Mechanical Engineering Graduate student
pmiles@eecs.wsu.edu          looking for a job in engineering software
                                          Development

Is there an interest for a numerical differential equation solver
program on the NeXT ?
From: jamie@[128.127.2.100] (Jamie O'Keefe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,de.sys.next
Subject: Re: files on ext. HD change their ownership by themselves ?!
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:30:41 GMT
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

fifi@hiss.han.de (Axel Zinser) writes:

 >I just connect my old 105-MB hard disk as a second disk to my NeXTstation.
 >All worked fine up to the moment I recognized that the ownership of all
 >files had been changed to fifi.nogroup (my own id is fifi.fifi). I restored
 >the ownership, checked it and continued working. After a while I again
 >looked for the files on the second hard disk and - damned - the ownership
 >had been changed to fifi.nogroup again.... Can anyone tell me, why that
 >happens and/or which task does it? (I'll kill it :-))

I noticed something similar a while ago.  I attached an external
drive to my machine and found that whenever I logged in I owned every 
file on the external drive.  If I logged in as root then root owned
every file on the external drive.  This was confusing to say the
least.  What I found, though, was that NeXTStep mounted the external
disk when I logged in.  Thus, it made sense that I owned it since my
login shell mounted it.  i fixed this by making an entry in
/etc/fstab so that the Next mounted the External drive when it
booted. 

I hope this helps solve your problem,

jamie
--
Jamie O'Keefe		FTP Software, Inc.	Technical Support
From: jonesc@ogre.CS.ORST.EDU (Cory Alan Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Forsale: NeXT Laser Printer
Keywords: laser printer
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:47:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Apr07.004722.3018
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept



  I have a new NeXT 400 dpi Laser Printer forsale.  This printer is still  
in the box (never been opened).  The educational price at my school for  
this printer is $1290, so I am selling it for $1200 (offers welcome).   
This does not include a toner cartridge.  Call or email for more  
information.

  Cory Jones
  jonesc@cs.orst.edu
  (503) 737-5547
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: sccs for the NeXT?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:44:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skoveINN7o0
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chowning.cnmat.berkeley.edu


Is "sccs" (source code control system) not implemented on the NeXT?
I was surprised to discover this since I thought that sccs was a
standard component of any Unix system.  

--
Greg Sandell
Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu or sandell@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Business Graphics
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:43:33 GMT

Folks,

I am an avid Improv user, but I've had lots of problems with Presentation  
Builder trying to do what I call standard business graphics (scatter charts,  
bar charts, line charts). Two general problems:

1. Artificial but rigid limit of 1500 data points for any series!
2. The pure freedom of display postscript, resizing, reshaping, etc. has a  
downside effect in Improv of not allowing me to create standard templates. In  
other words, it's fine and good to let me resize anything I want, but an awful  
pain in the butt when I'm trying to get 10 charts to format to the same size  
with different data.

I'm considering (eek) Wingz, a more conventional spreadsheet with perhaps more  
conventional graphics. Even if it gets me past my 1500 data point ceiling it  
will be worth it.

Any advise?

--
Mr. Noam Arzt                            215/898-3029 (voice)
Director, Special Projects               215/898-9348 (FAX)
University of Pennsylvania               arzt@dccs.upenn.edu
Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK)
Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
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From: tmiller@roo.caltech.edu (Marylyn E. Miller)
Subject: IBM 1 gig hd
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:35:43 GMT

Has anyone had any luck using the new IBM 1gig hd with the the NeXT. I'm  
getting a initialization error.

Thanks Tracy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SEF did it again
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:13:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183329.9445@newshost.lanl.gov>  
tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:

$ In article <1992Apr10.074920.7384@darkcube.radig.de>  
vhs@darkcube.radig.de  
$ (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
$ <stuff about a Sean Eric Fagan mail bounce>

$ Just ignore him.  Pretend he doesn't exist.

Who?
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From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: Interesting Tibits - Microsoft & NeXT?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:39:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.204553.2624@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca> jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca  
(Joseph Chin) writes:
> Microsoft & NeXT?
> -----------------
>   Microsoft is just full of surprises these days. First Fox, what
>   could be NeXT? The latest news from Redmond is that Mr. Bill has
>   apparently overcome his dislike of Steve Jobs and the company will
>   be porting its most popular applications to the NeXT. 

Did NeXT just close a 950,000 machine sale that we aren't aware of?  :-)

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 88110 and 56001 -- How many MFLOPS ?
Keywords: 88110 56001 96001 risc dsp mflops mips
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:09:49 GMT
Reply-To: esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Hi,

Does anyone know how many MFLOPS the Motorola 56001 DSP and 88110 CPU are  
capabale of?  I am trying to compare this to the 80 MFLOPS of the 33-MHx i860  
and to the 50 MFLOPS of the 33-MHz 96002 DSP.

If two 88110s can't beat the 50 MFLOPS of the 96002, then don't you think NeXT  
should use the 96002 in its future and/or current systems?  I am not suggesting  
the i860 because the 96002 provides binary compatibility with the 56001.

Eskandar Ensafi --- esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu, esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr8.160844.24774
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab

I'm a little confused...  There are only 4 SIMM slots in a *NeXTcube* Turbo?   
Ya know, the neat looking 12"x12"x12" black thing?  I thought it was just the  
Stations that were to have just 4 SIMM slots.  

Of course, this is all speculation because NeXT isn't even selling NeXTcube  
Turbos yet.  (At least they aren't in the price list.)

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:54:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.031855.4843@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> Your bigot epithet trivializes and degrades those who oppose
> *real* bigotry, one of the world's most serious social
> problems.  As a person who has to cope with the results of
> bigotry every day, I resent that attitude considerably.

Aw, man! This is what's wrong with the world in the 90's.

EVERYONE is constantly offended by EVERYTHING. In fact Felix
Lugo's name offends me because my parents were killed by lions
while on safari in Africa, and Felix is also a name of a cartoon cat. 

I'm appalled that Felix's parents could have named their child
"Felix" seeing as it's offensive to people who have had thier 
parents eaten by lions. ;-)

Not that I'm trivializing your struggle in your every day life,
against bigotry, but to draw offense from Felix's statement is
a little weak, I think, for an adult.

Mission for humanity: stop being so offended, and stop suing each other.

We'll be much more happy!

- db
--
---- my opinions are my own, not my employer's ---
"You fill in the mortar, I build the wall." "...a secret stigma, 
weeping willow, a diminished carnival of sorts." "Who might leave you
where I left off? A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends."
"I can't see myself at thirty I don't buy a lack of thirty
Caught like flies wishing for tomorrow's jewlery" - M. Stipe
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: fax from command line.
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:24:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmw.1992Apr8.182454.29832
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

In article <1992Apr8.141714.4453@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong (Simson L.  
Garfinkel) writes:
> > I must be missing something obvious.  How does one send a fax from the 
> > command line?  Suppose I'm dialing in or telnetting to my fax server and
> > I want to send an ascii file as a fax.  Is there some little command line
> > utility like lpr for faxes?
> 
> Read the fil einto edit and fax from there.
> 
> Who uses command lines?
> .................................................................simson

cron jobs.  shell scripts.  You know, automated things.  Computers used
to be able to automate certain sorts of thing.  As a sys admin, it would be 
great if every night at midnight, my system would fax me my phone messages 
while I am away on business trips.  Or Fax me if something goes wrong on 
the network I manage.  Or automate distribution lists (yeah, 3.0 and it's new 
fax support will be here June 30th... someday we'll all reminisce about the bad 
ole days of 2.1...). In any event, the command exists, and until the NeXT
interface becomes independant from application function in "some future  
release," a command line widget will have value.

Another use is while your are dialed into your NeXT, you need to send something 
off via fax (phone message request emailed to you by a secretary).   My
portable cannot display DPS yet, even if I installed a SLIP driver on it.

A possibly more useful command/function is a email/fax gateway for the
unfortunate non-NeXT users on the net. Something like...

% mail fax-gateway@nextbox
subject: /919995551111/John Smith/Here is the stuff you wanted
(text or postscript here)

where the subject line contains the number, FAX to: line, and Cover sheet 
remarks.

If a command line interface could be had, then us psuedo-hackers (read:
system admin types who never learned to program in C) could piece together
some pretty good tools for our end-users.

-Geoff
--
"The only thing obsoleted by Windows 3.1 is poking myself in the
eye with a pointed stick." - Gene Lee
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231 
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