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From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:08:03 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA
Followup-To: /dev/null



From the very same person who uttered "Tak kan hilang Melayu di dunia 'ni..."
and who glorified Islam's past and proposed Islam as the solution to NEP, and
subsequently ignited the 1st flame war about 3 years ago when NEP was first
discussed in s.c.asean, he wrote:
>
>Yes, to make it fair and square, include your racial slurs against 
>Malays too.  Will you?  You still remember them right?  I can refresh
>your mind.  Don't worry.
>
>-azlan nordin-
>  Penn State

No, I can't remember. Why don't you help me refresh my memory by posting 
the so called "racial slurs" so that we can get things straighten out?
If you can't even provide any proof, you're a lier who just wanted to
grasp every opportunity to get even with me.

[flame on]

Look, what have changed after 3 years? Still a parasite, craving
for government money (or rather Malaysian taxpayers' money) for
your education. Still looking for opportunity to get even with me?

I, on the other hand, have worked my way up to finish up my master
degree and got myself a high-paying job, and am well respected in
my group who are predominantly whites. I have no problem dealing
with people of different background. But, it is people like you, Zam
and the Muslim fanatics who can't accept Malaysia being a multi-racial
country and try to impose your belief on others that irks me and many
others. It is fanatic like you who time after time keeps spitting the
half-truth facts about Chinese started the May 13 incident that arouses
the suspicion among different races in Malaysia. It is people like you
who questions Chinese royalty time after time that discourages me and 
many others from going back to M'sia...

[flame off]

Enuff said!

-looi

p/s Just out of curiosity... if you're so proud of your race and
    religion, why were you making a statement sometime back that
    you wanted to marry outside of your race? Are you shame of
    your own kind? Just curious...

p/ss Opinions are all mine, not my employer.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 16:14:54 -0500 
From: Tee-Ming Ooi <to23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Employment/University Service

Good question!  Now, could someone give us some help here?

t-ming
to23@andrew.cmu.edu

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.asean: 9-Nov-92 Re:
Employment/University S.. by 902ismail@gw.wmich.edu 
>  
> In article <1992Nov9.014756.17863@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou
> .edu (Ziad Akir) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear netters:
> > 
> > Few days ago, someone posted an e-mail address both for BITNET and INTERNET
> > for university and employment services that are offered for ASEAN students.
> > The address was as follows:  listserv@iubvm.usc.indiana.edu (for INTERNET).
> > 
> > For some reason or another, I could not send a subscription note to this
> > address.  The mail keep bouncing back and telling that the host is unknown.
> > Is it possible that there is something missing from the address. 
Help pleas
> e.
> > 
> > Thank you very much.
> > 
> > - Ziad
> >  akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
>  
> I also face the same problem. Could some one help us here. Is the system
> fully implemented?
>  

Tee-Ming Ooi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: C587307@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Theresa McConnell)
Subject: Need translation for these words
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:02:07 GMT

Hello netters, I can't seem to figure out some of the replies in the
followup on "Think Malaysian, etc..".  I think there are in malay
language?  Can some kind soul please translate them for me?

1. What is "Bangsa Tegas Negara Teguh" ?
2. What is "Bersatu Teguh Bercerai Roboh" ?
3. What is "bumis" ?

Theresa McConnell
Dept of Asia-Pacific Newsgroup
School of Journalism
University of Missouri
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.6NOV199210240665
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I enclose the following psng, without comment, for your information.

In article <1992Nov6.152738.13901@cs.mcgill.ca>, depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydr writes...
>In article <1992Nov4.230737.29054@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:
>>
>>|> in basic human nature.  Any of various forms of dictatorship is fine
>>|> provided the dictator is truly benevolent and the populace all agree
>>|> with the dictator on a few basic values - but that too we don't know
>>|> how to ensure.
>>
>>I am unware of any historical precedent of a `benevolent dictator'. Thus I
>>doubt the viability of this approach. Of course, I would not refuse the
>>position of `benevolent dictator' if it would be offered to me.
> 
>Well, in Singapore, they got a list of human rights violations a mile long,
>and you're not allowed to chew gum anywhere in the country, but the form of
>government definitely qualifies as a benign dictatorship. It used to be one
>of the scummiest islands in south east asia, with disease, drugs,
>prostitution and crime rife. Now it's the cleanest place in that region,
>with among the best quality of life ratings, economic growth, availability
>of education, health care, and employment.  All this in the last 25
>some-odd years.
> 
>The dictator in place [I forget his name] is almost single-handedly
>responsible for all this change. He's got a lot of power, but he definitely
>cares about the people he governs, and while he cuts a few corners and
>steps on a few feet, his intentions are admirable.
> 
>But alas, nobody in the US would accept such a form of government.
> 
> 
>-- 
>| Alan Ezust    depeche@cs.mcgill.ca   McGill University Computer Science    |
>|------------------------Montreal, Quebec, Canada (?)------------------------|
>|  I'm not much of a night person. I'm *definitely* not a morning person.    |
>|  I'm not really an afternoon person either. Does this mean I'm a nobody?   |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: To you malasian Singapore basher
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:40:43 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>In article <ygoh.721077225@sfu.ca>, ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh) writes:

>> 	I'm glad you have this view on East Malaysia. It isn't pleasant
>> to be regarded by other Malaysians that we live on trees. I've learned to
>> retort that by saying we get better TV reception up on the trees.

>	Seems that a M'sian student in California was extremely irked by the
>constant questions by all and sundry "Do you still live in trees?"  He
>mentioned that to his professor.  His professor told him, "Say yes.  And the go
>on to tell him that *YOUR* ambassador lives in the tallest one."  A friend here
>likes to say, "Yes.  And to get to the top floor, we have to use an elevator/  
>lift"....  
>	Any other tales out there??  :)  Ciao.
Reminds me of my friend's father, to the question "how do you communicate
with each other from the trees?":

"Well, we use cellular phones..."


>-Tai
From: ab29+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anil N. Balchandani)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Sex Ignore it
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:21:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QezdseS00iUyA3pUx3
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Someone broke into my account.  Need I say more.



Best Regards,
Anil N Balchandani.

(363-2729) || (ab29@andrew) || (samy@ece.cmu.edu)
|| (anilb@frc.ri) || (aneel@arc.cmu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Mazlan Noor <sl313030@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:05:40 GMT

In message <1992Nov9.014756.17863@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Ziad Akir) writes:

>Dear netters:
>
>Few days ago, someone posted an e-mail address both for BITNET and INTERNET
>for university and employment services that are offered for ASEAN students.
>The address was as follows:  listserv@iubvm.usc.indiana.edu (for INTERNET).
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>For some reason or another, I could not send a subscription note to this
>address.  The mail keep bouncing back and telling that the host is unknown.
>Is it possible that there is something missing from the address.  Help please.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>- Ziad
> akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu


Dear friend, the address above is incorrect. Send your request to
   listserv@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu    NOT
                  ^^^
   listserv@iubvm.USC.indiana.edu

Good luck.

--Mazlan Noor.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

Why don't you write to Singapore Airlines ?
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.singaporean
Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:07:31 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Nov6.055706.1277@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, mfltan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Fock-Lai Tan) writes:
$ [ Article crossposted from news.groups ]
$ [ Author was Mar Siew Cheong ]
$ [ Posted on Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:24:07 GMT ]
$ 
$ Proposed Newsgroup's Name
$ =========================
$   soc.culture.singaporean

  I would suggest the name be soc.culture.singapore.


-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (PSYCTWO1)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's racial policies
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:35:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.010351.27878@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> 
> Has it occured to you that giving the chinese citizenship is a very major
> sacrifice? And limiting the quota to only 30% is also another major 
> sacrifice? What prevents them from achieving 50%?

The quota.


Fal.....c9110499@brolga.newcastle.edu.au


> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
From: akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sinar Matahari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Racial Harmony: Where are we heading?
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:14:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BxHFsy.J76
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


   My intention when I posted 'Racial Harmony:Where are We Heading' was to  
   see some change in the way many of us had been responding to the problem
   at hand. I mean, many posting refering to this topic did not actually try
   to solve the problem, but instead adding more problems and complicating the
   situation.     

   I agree to Mee Teng's argument that everyone is entitled to his or her
   opinion, but I am focusing specifically on the racial harmony issue. That
   does not mean that therefore anyone on the net has to stop giving opinion,
   but instead try to bring the focus of the discussion in a constructive way.
   But in many instances, we refute the claim of the other party and just
   throw one of our own. While that should be healthy (because it indicates 
   that there are responses and different opinions), it inadvertently brought in   a new subject, and when this continue, the actual focus of the discussion
  shifted to a new one. Th real question on the racial unity is not answered,
  and a new kind of discussion emerged. Add that with flaming, the result is 
   rather unpleasant.

   I believe that the issue at hand has to be answered first. What can we do
   to achieve racial unity. And I would suggest that instead of concentrting
   on the differences between the existing races, let us really suggest/
   outline what can we do about the differences. Probably we all already know
   that one of the way is instead of trying to change others identity, let us
   adapt to each other. But, then, let us find the answer :HOW.

   I also believe thatwe can try to find the solution to the problem if we
   can give more time to the issue, instead of jeering at others remark. And
   I suggest that if anyone disagree with others, if possible, address your
   disagreement towards that person, individually instead of posting it on
   the net. It will help others to discuss and solve the problem that is 
   important to us in a more sensible atmosphere.

   Think about it.


   akm20474@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo)
Subject: Re: Hongkong and Singapore compared, an economic report 60's-80's
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:09:48 GMT

In article <BxALxy.J9G@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csn88@seq1.keele.ac.uk (K.M. Tay) writes:
>  You haven't answer the "TECHNOLOGY" I have asked you. By the I'm very
>happy that you discuss in a very scientific manner with me . But you got
>me wrong. What I don't understand is Why the original author say  HK is
>effecient in using TECHNOLOGY. In my previous articles, I have strongly
>agree that HK economic is better than Singapore.

This was the answer:

>
>> In the growth model that was used, this kind of technology is actually
>> capital. A crude and simple definition of technology (in these models)
>> is how capital and labor are combined to produce output. This is not the
>> same thing. If you have better capital (better computers, for example)
>> and the same labor force we would expect the country with the more
>> advanced capital to produce more. But what if the country with worse
>> capital (or less of it) and the same labor force produces more output.
>> Then in these models, that country has higher 'technology'. I know that
>> is confusing, a better name would be total factor productivity.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. These growth models take into account the kind
of capital and labor quality a country has. "Technology" is that part
of accounting that is "leftover", so to speak. We have

	Growth of output = Growth of capital (including technology in the
											usual sense) + Growth of labor force + residual

This is residual is referred to a total factor productivity, the Solow
residual, or  technological growth.

Young tried to explain why given the growth of capital, labor, and
output measured one had a negative residual for S'pore (and a slightly
postive one for Hong Kong). This is usually what is meant by the 'low
technological growth". 

I hope this makes sense. I don't intend to be too technical or to show
off but it is difficult to discuss Young's paper without referring to
some theory. Also my disclaimer was not directed at anyone in
particular. I just wanted to emphasize that my comments (and Young's
paper) are positive in nature. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Nov10.102408.133@nuscc.nus.sg>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.102408.133@nuscc.nus.sg> eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:

   : To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure. To get it
   : 
   hmmm...in that case, for the past ten year, the schools of engineering
   in NTU must have produced tons of failures! How many, on average, of the
   graduating students from NTU get first class honours?
   Please lah!!!! Don't insult NTU graduates!!!!!!
   About your point of getting first class honours in prison. Hmm...well,
   there don't seem to be much else to do in prison is there? *hehehe* So
   spending most of one's time on books may be very easy! :-)

Yeah, you get all your meals taken care of.  Peace and quiet.  Of course, this
is assuming that he didn't get the rotan (which would make it kind of hard to
sit down to study.)  :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sltan@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Chung Ling's old friends
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:43:05 GMT

Dears friends,
  I would like to contact with Chung Ling's friends graduated in 1989.  If 
you are anyone of them, please give me a note.  Thanks!
Tan, Sin Lam 5 Nov 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:51:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.170618.14561@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.062039.11016@nuscc.nus.sg>, eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng) writes:
>|> 
>|> Certainly lack of time is a factor. But this does not account for the
>|> fact that ECA participation in NUS hostel activities is high (why
>|> ECA activity in hostels is high is irrelevant). I don't think that the
>|> average standard of a student hostelite is very much below that of the
>|> student population at large. BTW I was a hostelite for 4 yrs.
>|> 
>It is not irrelevant.  Hostel promote the sense of community that
>encourages participation.  (Of course, the need to retain a spot is
>(was?) a factor too).
Ya, hostel promote the sense of community but it is the latter that 
is the driving force.  IMHO, it is unhealthy.  I won't say all, but
most who participate in hostel activities would not particiapte 
in Union or club activities.  The reason being, you derive more
points in hostel activities than other form of ECA... a sin  
perpectuated by the  hostels to keep others out...at least in my
time.  

>Back to Singapore, other than activities in the hostel, the other
>activities are perceived as non-value added.  It is not going to help
>one get a job in Singapore.  But getting lousy grades will certainly
>hinder a person from getting a good start in the business world.

What's non-value added activities?  Something that you derive no 
immediate benefit?  I would say if he is going into the bussiness
world any form of group activities would definitely help him even
if his employer would not take it a a prerequiste.  Perhaps the 
students or you have the idea of ECA wrong.  Community 
activities build character, friendship and promote interaction and
understanding... isn't that some value?  Or perhaps you can
acquire that by performing 4Ls. 


Thank you for not calling name so far. I hope more people
not in NUS will give their views on the situation in their
respective campuses. Thanks to the guy from CMU who told
us that their student population is also an apathetic lot...
so NUS you are not alone 8). 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: pehng@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Peh Ng)
Subject: An amicable request to all flamers.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:28:09 GMT

 Dear s.c.asean netters,

 I understand that there has been a lot of back and forth 
 bickering about all sorts of issues, especially ones with 
 racial connotations.
 I have only ONE request to ask from all of you.
 If and when you want to flame someone concerning an article you 
 read, could you please, please and please double check 
 as to who the correct author of the article is?
 When you read an article, there could be numerous authors 
 whose names are sort of tagged along.

 For instance, the below e-mail that I received is a typical 
 reaction from someone who does not even bother to check 
 something out. 
 
 Thank you all very much.

>>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:21:03 -0800
>>From: Mohamed Nazlen Abdul Jabar <mjabar@uop.cs.uop.edu>
>>Message-Id: <199211131821.AA12854@uop.cs.uop.edu>
>>To: pehng@ecn.purdue.edu
>>Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
>>References: <1992Nov8.162829.28412@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> <1992Nov9.184905.8786@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
>>Status: R
>>
>>go back to china man!

 This is my reply:

>
> Mr. Mohamed, with all due respect, please go back and reread the 
> article. I think you have made a mistake; the only 
> article I posted on s.c.asean about the aforementioned topic is 
> directed to Prof. Othman, asking hime NOT to think that 
> "anyone who does not get a first class honours is a failure".
>   Never did I got involved in any racial discussions on this net on 
> this topic.
>
> The next time, you want to send an imbecile statement like this to 
> someone, please double check your sources, will you?
>


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh)
Subject: Re: Computer Jobs in Singapore
Originator: jtteh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:28:47 GMT

vij@genesis.Berkeley.EDU (Vikram Vij) writes:

>Could any one provide a hint as to how to start looking for 
>a job in Singapore in the areas of Communication/Network/Operating
>System software, CAD/Hardware-Software, Databases/Signal Processing
>Software ? A friend of mine who does not have access to this 
>newsgroup is very interested. Is there any newspaper ? Are there
>any headhunters/agencies ? Is there any international/local newsgroup ?
>( except singapore edb ). Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

Let's see, your friend could write to (unless they moved):

National Computer Systems
73 Science Park Drive,
#01-01/02, Singapore 0511.	  <- I hope the # number is correct

They're the recruting division of the National Computer Board
that provides computing man-power for the Singapore government.
They can also provide information on Information Technology Institute,
the R&D arm of NCB. From last I heard, they have projects in
Knowledge Engineering, Fax communication, Computer Aided Software
Engineering, Multimedia and Supercomputing.

The other R&D place is 

Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore
<Don't know the address here>

They have projects in multimedia, office networking/email, chinese
character recognition, nueral networks. ISS is more IBM'ish and more
research oriented than ITI.

>Thanks, 

>Vij

>-- 
>Vikram Vij. Computer Science Division, UC Berkeley.
>arpanet: vij@genesis.Berkeley.EDU         
>uucp: {ihnp4,decvax}!ucbvax!cory!vvij                    
>at&t: (415) 642-8234

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