HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 16:22:39 EDT
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: New York Knicks
 <1992Sep8.182138.16343@cmcl2.nyu.edu>

     A trade with Jackson and #1 and #2 draft picks for Charles Smith,
Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble would not make too much sense to me.  Sure, I
would like to see Charles Smith on the Knicks, but look at what this
would do to the guard situation.
     Rolando Blackmon
     John Starks
     Greg Anthony
     Hubert Davis
     Doc Rivers
     Bo Kimble

     Six guards on a twelve man roster!  I don't think so.

#############################################
Brent Sutherland-University of Maine at Orono
#############################################
From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: bulls draft info?
Keywords: bulls, draft
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:58:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <guest.716407816@sili.isgs.uiuc.edu> guest@sili (Rockin' Robyn) writes:
>Can someone send me detailed info on the Bulls draft picks this
>year?  Houston I know a bit about but who is the #2 pick they
>signed to a multi-year contract 

Did Chicago have more than one second round pick this year?  They drafted
Litterial (sp?) Green (PG, Georgia) in the second round and then traded him to
the Magic a second round pick in 93.

Tom@Orlando
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd)
Subject: Will the NBA ever let
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:09:54 GMT

Greetings:

I agree with some of the previous statements made, however don't confuse
the NBA with TV. The TV market would have lost millions of $$$$$$ if the Utah
had played Cleveland in the finals. However if the TV does not make money
then that will have financial impact on the contract between TV and the
NBA, at the next contract renewal.

I don't agree with your statement about reffing, I think they try to do a
consistant solid job, at each game. Even though certain refs make stupid
calls against certain NBA players.

What is a absolute disgrace is National TV stations coverage of the regular 
season games. This is where the TV stations have to wake up and smell the 
coffee!. People want to see the NBA's best PG & PF more than (yet again) 4 
times a season. 

The current TV coverage process is just pathetic!.

When you've got teams like Utah only on national TV during the '93 season 
twice on NBC and twice on TNT, out of howmany games will be covered by both 
combined networks, (who knows!) and to think that last year they were either 
3rd or 4th in the NBA. then yes the NBA needs to start looking into these
basic problems.  Instead of dreaming, about basketball over taking soccer in
world popularity, which will never happen in our life time or our children's
life times.

Last year during the season I remember seeing Boston & Detriot 3 consecutive 
weekends, on the third weekend I was so sick 'n tired of watchnging two has 
beens that I actually turned the TV off. But yet both teams have a much larger 
market. So can you blame the TV stations NO. Should the NBA get more
involved in simple domestic TV problems YES.

(IMHO)..............
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
^^  Greg Dodd                    "Go JAZZ" 1992-93  Stockton   Humphries      ^^
^^  UNISYS Corp                                     Malone. J  Benoit         ^^
^^  322 North 2200 West                             Eaton      Brown          ^^
^^  S.L.C. UT 84116 U.S.A                           Corbin     Krystkowiak    ^^
^^  gsd@unislc.slc.unisys.com                       Malone. K  Austin         ^^
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: davet@mozart.amd.com (David L. Tetreault)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Dominque Wilkins status?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:40:10 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

What is happening with Nique's injury recovery?  I have not heard any news
  on how his rehab has progressed.  Will he be back to full form or is there
  a question about his mobility.  Has anyone else notable ever had this injury
  and come back at full strength?

davet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: danw@ee.su.oz.au (Dan Wuescher)
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley
Reply-To: danw@brutus (Dan Wuescher)
Organization: Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.132643.23802@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1139457@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (ERLS (Erland Briggs)) writes:
>
>Hi Guys and Gals,
>    At the moment there is an add on TV promoting this Godzilla Vs Barkley
>    thing on September 9th.
>

Has anyone else noticed that Godzilla looks a lot like Kareem, 
especially when he puts those goggles on.  Think this was done
on purpose, or am I getting high on this southern hemisphere air.

Dan
***********************************************************************
| Dan Wuescher		  *  We satisfy our endless needs and justify | 
| danw@ee.su.OZ.AU        *  our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny |
|			  *  and in the name of god.  D. Henley       |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Hakeem trade rumors
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:02:36 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Sep14.185229.26312@inmet.camb.inmet.com> west@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Brian West) writes:

| The Rockets also need a backup 4/5 to replace Larry Smith.  A good
| trade for the Rockets would be Seikaly and Smith and Long for Olajuwon
| and Sleepy and Buck Johnson (assuming that the Rockets sign him.)
| This trade would be along the lines of what Phoenix had to give up to
| get Barkley.
| 
Whoo!  That's taking away three (3) (tres) of five starters from the Heat.
That kills the theory of building a team from the draft!  Might as well
moves teams....the Houston Heat....and the Miami Rockets....hmmm...not bad.

Joe

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz )
Subject: Re: The Two Trades
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:16:43 GMT

I sometimes feel like I'm the only Pacers fan on the net, which is probably
good as it saves others embarrassment. Here is my $ 0.02:
1) I'll miss the Rifleman. Really, I will! His arm-flailing, mouth-flapping,
emotional game always got the crowd going. But it's best that he go. He still
has some market value as a scorer. Plus now the Pacers will go to Reggie
Miller in the clutch, instead of standing around wondering who should shoot.
2) I'll miss Micheal Williams even more. A great story, cut by Detroit, Phoenix,went to the CBA, and wound up in Indiana as the starting point guard and 
among the leaders in steals. He was made a scapegoat for the playoff sweep
at the hand of Boston (unjustly IMHO). He just received a multi-year deal.
His trade value is also high now.
3) This trade should reduce the Pacers' salary structure. Sam Mitchell can't
be a millionaire like Person. The team is losing money and is for sale by
the owners, the Simon Bros., so it's not a bad move.
4) Pooh Richardson is a great point guard. He can't shoot free throws, but
he's been injury-free and averaged 8 assists last  year with 17 ppg. Plus
he's reunited with UCLA backcourt mate Miller, so who knows?
5) Sam Mitchell will provide that blue-collar attitude the Pacers need. He
averaged 10 points last year and 6 rebounds. I don't know how good his
defense is, but it can't be any worse than Chuck's.

I guess this means the Hakeem Olajuwon deal is off. I also womder if this
means Detlef Schrempf will get his wish and start at small forward, or if
Mitchell will and Detlef will still be 6th man. IMHO Detlef should start
as you don't see many 6'10" small forwards.

Doug Mraz


-- 
Why try? Poli Sci!  
Waddle for Mayor, Hawk/Wimperoo in '92, Repeat-a-Bulls
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:17:36 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <92251.145833IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>    Here are my opinions on the five best players at each positions.
>
My opinions of your opinions :-)

>PG  1-John Stockton               SG  1-Michael Jordan
>    2-Tim Hardaway                    2-Clyde Drexler
>    3-Kevin Johnson                   3-Mitch Richmond
>    4-Derek Harper                    4-Jeff Hornacek
>    5-Mark Price                      5-Reggie Lewis

Price should be at least #4, maybe #3.  
Reggie Lewis I would put at 3, Richmond at 5.

>
>                     C  1-David Robinson
>                        2-Patrick Ewing
>                        3-Hakeem Olajuwon
>                        4-Shaquile O'Neille
>                        5-Brad Daugherty

Shaq hasn't played an NBA game yet, and until such time, I can't see
any justification for inclusion on the list.  If you go by hype alone, then
Kenny Anderson should be in your top 5 as well.

>
> SF  1-Charles Barkley             PF  1-Karl Malone
>     2-Scottie Pippen                  2-Dennis Rodman
>     3-Chris Mullin                    3-Derrick Coleman
>     4-Dominique Wilkins               4-Larry Johnson
>     5-James Worthy                    5-Kevin Willis

Kevin Willis has only really had 1 good year, #5 is probably too high.
What about someone like Horace Grant or Buck, or better yet, Kevin McHale??

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:08:43 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.153635.5452@research.nj.nec.com> adam@research.nj.nec.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep11.145647.20667@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep11.075347.22890@nuscc.nus.sg> art30248@nusunix3.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:
>|> >: 
>|> 2. Rebounding...are you kidding?  If nothing else, the knock on Ewing is that
>|>    he's not as good as Olajuwon and Robinson in rebounding.  The other two
>|>    great centers combined for a few rebounding titles.  Where was Patrick?
>
>Charles Oakley has started for the Knicks at power forward for most of
>Ewing's career.  Oakley averages better than 10 rebounds a game every
>year.  If the Knicks didn't have that kind of rebounder along with
>Patrick, I'm sure he could and would (out of necessity) grab a lot
>more and probably lead the league.

Well... Not quite..  He has started since 88 (Ewing started in 85).
Oakley only averaged 8.5 rpg this year.  David Robinson has spent time
with Terry Cummings next to him.  Terry pulled down 9.0 rpg this year.
While Oakley is typically a much better rebounder, it wasn't so this year,
and Robinson out-rebounded him.
>
>|> 4. Passing...Maybe Ewing is better, but he's by no means a good passer.  Ever
>|>    look at his turnover numbers?  They're pretty high.
>
>He turns the ball over in the open floor sometimes with ill-advised
>long outlet passes.  But in the halfcourt offense, he's a GREAT passer
>for a center.  Second only to Daugherty. 
>
>Ewing is bigger, stronger, and tougher under the basket.

Robinson is bigger, stronger and QUICKER under the basket, has a much better
inside game, while Ewing seems to be more content playing the fall-away 
15 foot jumper.  Ewing has a better outside shot than Robinson, but 
Robinson is much quicker in the inside.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.170502.22412@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

|> I agree. He has been one of the top people in field goal % for
|> several years and has out-played many of the people on this list
|> on several occassions, despite his age. Admittedly, Shaq has the
|> tools, but until he actually gets some NBA playing time he doesn't belong
|> on the list. I cannot count the number of "sure things" that have been
|> major busts over the years in professional
|> sports (Brian Bozoworth, Tony Mandarich, (basketball examples escape me at the
|> moment)....).
|> 
|> Norman
|> 
|> Dr. Norman J. LaFave


I agree that Shaq doesn't belong on the list of top centers until he has 
played at least a season in the NBA - but the odds are very much that he
will succeed. Dominant centers drafted in the top 5 or so are usually 
very successful. Let us look at the examples from the past.

1983 - Sampson - He did quite well until injury problems finished his
       career.
1984 - Olajuwon 
1985 - Ewing
1986 - Daugherty
1987 - Robinson
1991 - Mutombo - One season is not too much to go by but even after taking
       his end of season slump into account, you can call him a success.

Raghu
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: RICK FOX!!! ROOLZ
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:53:24 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <15815@ksr.com> dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin) writes:
>
>OK, Ellie, it's time to resort to desperate tactics.  Who's got the
>1991-92 stats?  Calling Ed Lor!  I want a full comparison between
>Kevin Gamble (does most things well but not EVERYTHING) and Rick Fox
>(does nothing particularly well but the fans LOVE him).  C'mon, what
>are the numbers?  Not that numbers mean everything, but Fox is
>NOTHING!!

I didn't get to see Fox play much for Boston, but I saw just about every
game he played while at UNC.  Does nothing particularly well?  I disagree.

The stats are as follows.

NAME       G  MIN  FG  FGA  FG%  FT FTA   FT% 3FG 3GA  
FOX,R     81 1535 241  525 .459 139 184  .755  23  70   
GAMBLE,K  82 2496 480  908 .529 139 157  .885   9  31   

NAME      ORB  TRB  AST STL  TO BLK  PF  PTS  AVG
FOX,R      73  220  126  78 123  30 230  644  8.0
GAMBLE,K   80  286  219  75  97  37 200 1108 13.5


I would consider Fox a better defender than Gamble (Fox was UNC's career
steal leader).  He is a stealing machine and gets his share of defensive 
(and offensive) boards.  Fox does rack up a lot of personal fouls, but he's 
an aggressive rookie and thusly gets treated like one by the refs.

Fox has NBA range and is confident enough to take the 3.  He will probably 
improve his FG% given more time (shot 52% for career at UNC).

The only real weakness in his game is that he has a tendency to get sloppy
(high turnover-to-assist ratio).  

Gamble has a better offensive game for now, but I look to see Fox steadily
improve and wouldn't be amazed if he were starting for the Celtics in a few
years...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: s1139457@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (ERLS (Erland Briggs))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Godzilla Vs Barkley
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:26:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: monu6.1992Sep6.132643.23802
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia


Hi Guys and Gals,
    At the moment there is an add on TV promoting this Godzilla Vs Barkley
    thing on September 9th.

    WHAT THE H*LL IS IT ?????

    I have watched the add a few times and I can't figure it out.
    The only part that gives me clue is the Nike symbol at the end.
    This prompts me to believe it is an add for shoes, but I haven't heard
    anything about it.

    Please enlighten me ... as I feel deprived and empty ... I NEED to know ...

    L8r.
From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hornets tickets?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00553-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu





To order Hornets tickets you need to call TicketMaster
of Raleigh 919-834-4000

I called yesterday to find out about tickets and they still
do not know when they go on sale.

I'll suggest something though--the day they go on sale--
call as soon sa they open!!!!

They go fast. 


Chris
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Management!!!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:02:29 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <hhg1-140992064324@132.197.14.85> hhg1@gte.com (Hal German) writes:
>
>X never fit in NY the way Riley wanted. He had a couple of brilliant games
>and was offensively quiet most nights (4-10 points). 

Well he averaged 13+ ppg over the season, his average dropping after a strong
start (along with the Knicks' record).  In the playoffs though, he pretty
much destroyed Scottie Pippen and was fairly consistent.  Even though he didn't
score that much during the regular season, he shot like 49%, right?  That's
not bad at all.  X was the combination that gave NY the best frontline in
the league.  No question about it.  With Ewing getting 900, X getting 500
and both Oakley and Mason getting somewhere in between, they were frightening
on the boards.  Ewing kept missing his jumpers and someone would get the
rebound and put it in during the playoffs.

I can't believe the Knicks were so careless...they finally got Ro Blackman
to open up the outside for them and they lose their small forward.  Crazy.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:59:14 GMT

In article <w0q-7GC@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>
>An example of reason 1) would be Scottie Pippen. Would he
>be a better scorer on another team? I think yes, because
>on another team he would be the GO-TO guy instead of
>playing second notch behind Jordan IMHO. 

Or he would always be doubled since he's not playing next to Jordan
anymore.  Pippen's a great player, but everybody's game is elevated
playing with Jordan.  Hell the guy can't be stopped even when he's
tripled teamed.  Anyone that can make Pax look good has got to be
awsome.

On Point Guards:
There's 2 types.  The true Point Guard and the flashy scorer/disher/
speedster.  Stockton and Price are the best pure PG in the league.
Hardaway and KJ are the best 'beat my man off the dribble then dish
it when someone rotates over or glide in for a layup'.   I'll take
the Stockton/Price model.  Of those 2 I'd say Stock get's the nod,
mainly because of D.  They can both shoot the lights out and see the
floor well so they're fairly equal on the offensive end, but Stockton
is probably the better defensive player.  However, if Magic is still
playing, well enough said...
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Knicks Management!!!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:05:07 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

I've fallen and can't get up!!! ----> knicks Management last night!!!!

how can you let the heart and motivator of the team go!!
Can any knick fan tell me that!!
see ya,
"true knicks fan"

--> I mean who else will be beating the next players after they score!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Tony Campbell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:15:15 GMT

wakankar@golf.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar) writes:



>Trader Jack after moving to MInn. still wants to retain that reputation. I personally think, it is graet deal for Minn. and not such a grreat deal for Knicks. But Knicks had to do something.

>Any comments from T'Wolves land? How is Tony Campbell?

	When you look in the dictionary and look up "one-trick pony", you'll
	see a picture of Tony Campbell.  Yeah, the guy can light up the
	scoreboard, but that's about all you're going to get from him.  He's
	one of those types of players that has to have the ball in his hands
	to do anything productive.  Get this -- his nickname is "Blumpy".
	Campbell can fill in at small forward, but he's really a swingman,
	and against other small forwards on D, he'll get burned.  I don't
	see where this really helps the Knicks.  He hardly fills the
	rebounding void left by X, not to mention the tough gritty D.
	
	Probably a good thing for Campbell to leave Minnesota tough.  With
	Chuck Person around, there wouldn't have been enough balls to go
	around...
	:)

	Jazzy J
>Parag
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  "I am human and I need to be loved,            | Jazzy J                   |
|   just like everybody else does..." - The Smiths| jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:53:54 GMT

In article <M5q-8f=@engin.umich.edu>
martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
 
>I saw a headline in the Detroit News this morning that mentioned
>that Rodman will NOT be back with the Pistons next year....
>
>No Salley...No Rodman....The Pistons are in for it....
>
>                                        Marty
>
 
So? The press has been reporting Rodman's departure since the end of
last season. So far he has yet to retire, get traded, or otherwise
leave the Pistons. I doubt that he will be here next season, but why
re-circulate the same old rumors?
 
--Eric
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Will the NBA ever let
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:59:06 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep7.171717.16746@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight) writes:
>
>>In fact, why did he allow the Bulls to draft him [Jordan] in the
>>first place?  Couldn't they have manipulated the referees into making
>>the Knicks worse than the Bulls that year, so they could've drafted
>>him?  I think we need an investigation, and we need it now.
>
>Houston and Portland had a crack at Jordan, but didn't draft him. Plus
>NBA redeemed itself by awarding Ewing to New Yok the following year.

Jordan and Ewing.  Yoowwwwzah.
I guess they just wanted to spread the "gods" around.
Mark my words, the Knicks will trade Anthony Mason and Mark Jackson
for Karl Malone and Stockton.  They'll through in Gerald Wilkins
to make the trade look good.

P.S.
	Did all the people in Philly move to Phoenix.  I know everyone
moved across town to Clipperville.  Quite a few people have traveled to
Portland or is it just my imagination.  I wonder where the next mass
migration will be.
--
Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first
instinct is to laugh.  But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she
fell on me.  Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro