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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Leaving a puppy alone - bad idea?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 05:02:51 GMT
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John Stafford (Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU) wrote:
: I've decided to put off getting a dog because I now live
: alone and have no other animals in the area and I just
: don't know how a puppy would fare when left alone for
: 8 to 10 hours a day.  In the past, my puppys were never
: alone for more than a few hours at a time.

: I can provide an otherwise good environment for the pup;
: food, fresh (running) water, shelter, a large fenced in
: area (my home is a retired farm) and so forth but is 
: this enough?

: How about getting _two_ pups?  Would they be company
: enough for each other while I am gone?

How about adopting an older rescue dog?  Both mixed and purebred dogs
of older ages are looking for homes.  This way, you don't have to worry about
the things that go with a young pup.  Some people are afraid that the dog
won't bond with them, but this isn't true.  Also, these dogs are not all
rejects.  Many are lost dogs, or divorces, or "the puppy grew more than we
expected" or what have you.  There are the usual shelters, and there are
purebred rescue organizations for almost every breed.

Or, how about an older puppy or a retired show dog from a breeder?
Many breeders hand onto a pup, hoping to show it, or keep it for breeding,
only to have it not mature out to their expectations.  Is the dog bad? No,
just short of expectations and in need of a home.  Some show dogs that aren't
going to be used in a breeding program are placed after they finish.  They
can make wonderful pets.

In looking at rescue dogs, if the organization doesn't do temperament testing,
you should at least have an idea of what to look for.  The books The Chosen
Puppy and Second-hand Dog by Carol Lea Benjamin are both good reading.

With and older pup or a retired show/breeding dog look for the same things
you would in looking for a pup from a breeder.  What conditions are the
dogs living in?  What health checks have been done? What is the guarantee?
If there is a problem, will the breeder work with you? Take the dog back?
etc.

I personally would not get 2 pups when I was worried about being there for 1.


Karen
From: jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: allergies --forgot something
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:14:58 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

I forgot to add my contribution to the list of dog songs.

Lily's song:  "She's a Sweet-Fartin' Dog"  (from "He's a Sweet-Talkin' Guy")

Lark's song:  "Love Potion Canine"  (from "Love Potion Number Nine")

Magnolia's song:  "Black Dog"  (from "Black Birds" by the Beatles)
                 Lines changed from, "Black birds singing in the dead of night,"
                                 to, "Black dog whining in the dead of night."
(Magnolia is my mother's black Dachshund mix)

Julie

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From: A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:53:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.220848.8332@inel.gov>,
kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:

 [lots of stuff deleted]

>                             (if anyone read my earlier post about
>what our lab did to our waterbed, and therefore our house, you'll
>understand why we insist they all be crated -- we paid about $350
>in damages, and the insurance company paid almost $400...).
>
>Jamie
>

HOW did you get your insurance to pay ANYTHING?  Mine specifically
excludes damage done by dogs (my own, not someone else's).  On the
other hand, they'll cover damage done by my horse.  Did you tell
them that your HORSE got on the waterbed? *smile*

Mary &
Sam & Katie - mutt dogs
Regis - purebred horse (for all the good THAT does me!)
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Toys...(was Re: Kong???)
Keywords: kong, retrieve
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:49:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24395
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



(the ``indestructable ball'')
>Anyway, anbody else's comments on this toy would be greatly appreciated.
>(After the discussion on the Kong, it is on the list for the next R.C.
>Steele order ;-))

It's hard to play with.  The first problem is that it's a hard heavy
ball, so you have to be very careful that it's not rolling towards
the dog but always away so you don't knock out his teeth.

Given that you take that care, you can play a sort of backwards
soccer with it, where you kick/push it somewhere and the dog
captures it and tries to gnaw it into submission; then you kick/push
it somewhere else.  It's more interesting on snow.

My Dobie likes it ok as long as I'm there to propel it, but it's
not an interesting toy on its own, and you can't do much with it.

Compare just getting a soccer-ball sized sportcraft ``action ball''
from Kmart, which is inflatable - the dog will immediately puncture it.
But then smooth out the hole so it doesn't spread, leaving it maybe
a quarter inch in size, and the ball will self-inflate under its own
residual rigidity and can be kicked, flattened and tossed like a frisbee,
and all sorts of things.

Of course if your dog chews things to death, you can't leave it
with him between games.

The miniature plastic inflatable Kmart footballs work the same and are only
$1.50 - drill out the valve so they have a slow leak, and they'll
self-inflate after being squeezed, and are great toys for playing fetch.
Susie likes to idly chew on them, but she's not a destructive chewer.
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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: the chewing machine
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:33:12 GMT

In article <1gjmqdINN2a9@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
wrote:
> 
> prison or bust. (01smpowell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu) wrote:
> : there's gotta be a dog toy that'll withstand this mighty chewing machine...
> 
> : any suggestions?
> 
> See the thread on kongs.  You might try the black one, as it is tougher. 
> Don't let Gaia's experiences throw you, I only know 1 other dog who has
> had the same type of record.  He's a power-chewing Australian Cattle Dog.
> 
> Karen 

Yup, even my "power chewing ACDs" (great description Karen !) haven't 
destroyed their KONGS.  I just sorta live with the fact that I have chewing
machines........my monthly rawhide and hoof budget is high, but it keeps
my kids happy :-).

Cattle Dog Kisses to all !!
Kathy
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"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:08:14 GMT

In article <9212151209.AA2158@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>, ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|> 
|>   As it happened to me recently that something sent to me by Email was
|> INADVERTANTLY reproduced on this board, I am guessing you are
|> referring to me.  In fact, I explained to the guy two days ago that I
|> did not intentionally send off a private message, and he saw fit to
|> cuss me out quite publicly, I recommend that you butt out.
|> --- FMail 0.92
|>  * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

Elaine, if you post it for all to see, you are going to have to deal with the
consequences of other people getting involved.  You have more than pissed off
people in this group, I suggest you learn some manners and learn how to properly
post.


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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: new dog, older dog problem/question
Date: 13 Dec 1992 04:48:26 GMT
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: When we feed the dogs, the older one wants to eat the younger one's
: food and he will not eat his own food.

The basic problem here is probably the fact that the puppy food tastes
better than the adult food.  Puppy food has a higher protein and fat
content than adult food does.  Puppies do not *have* to eat puppy food,
unless you are feeding a bottom end brand, which you aren't.  Provided
that the older dog is NOT eating the light version, you could probably
start switching the puppy over to the adult formula.  Alternately, 
feeding them apart would work.

Karen
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Dec17.145431.4502@uvmark.uucp>, susan@uvmark.uucp (Susan Todhunter - (JWT)) writes:
|> In article <1gnjloINNrho@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (MollyNeff) writes:
|> >
|> >Jeez.  You guys are all so frivolous.  Don't you realize that the serious
|> >business of Retrieving must be carried on regardless of the weather?  
|> 
|> You guys retrieve?  Gee, I let my mommy do that.  She keeps reminding me that
|> I'm a golden RETRIEVER, but I just laugh.  She looks so funny when she throws
|> the ball and then runs after it!
|> 
|> Happy holidays,
|> Rusty
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|>   Susan Todhunter
|>  
|>   Internet: uvmark!susan@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk!uvmark!susan

Hi my name is Cody and I am a Golden Retriever. My daddy has a warped sense of 
humor. Sometimes when the wonderful white stuff falls from the sky, daddy
will go out with me and make balls of this white stuff for me to fetch. The
thing that drives me crazy is that when these things called snowballs hit
the white stuff on the ground, they disappear and I can't find them anymore.
Drives me nuts trying to find them, but it sure gets a chuckle outta dad.

Do any of you doggies out there know a good joke that I could play on 
daddy???? 

Cody  ( Paws Attraction )

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DOGS & CATS
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:42:09 GMT
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KATHY (IOC0008@MVS.UDEL.EDU) wrote:
: I NEED HELP!  I HAVE A THREE YEAR OLD VERY SPOILED BLACK
: LAB MIX WHO I LOVE DEARLY.  MY HUSBAND WANTS TO ADOPT
: A KITTEN AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COULD WORK.  HAS
: ANY BODY EVER DONE IT & IF SO HOW?

Try to find a kitten that was raised around a good dog.  Then allow them
time to get used to one another.  The biggest problems usually come if the
kitten runs as this can bring out prey instinct in dogs.  I'd also clip
the kittens claws, so that if he gets cornered and fights back, he'll do
less damage.  

Gaia and Daryl are about the same age, but Gaia was an outside dog as a
pup, and her yard mate had previously killed cats.  Daryl spent 6 months as
an indoor outdoor kitten being told to stay away from the dogs.  Then one day
(we moved) he had to live with one in HIS house.  It's worked out okay.  Gaia
learned to get out of his way when he's in a bad mood.  As far as Daryl is
concerned,anything bad is the Dog's fault.

Karen
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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Follow-up to puppy training
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:47:08 GMT
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>I may get flamed for this but I use a choke collar on 
>my 13 and a half week old choc. lab and he is doing very
>well. He responses to both voice and hand signals for
>sit, stay, come, and heal (heals alittle shaky still).
>And we're working on the whistle also for when out in 
>the field (so he can be handled when retreiving).

>I use the collar for "reminders" - a slight pull back
>and up if he doesn't sit after a couple of seconds, same
>thing, but foward, if he doesn't heal when told to. I 
>never use it for punishment!!

If you know what you're doing, that's fine (and after reading Charlie's 
posts for a while, you can tell he does).

If you're a beginner, though, the mistakes you make with the collar 
will outweigh the benifit given by its finer control.

If you understand the advantages and disadvantages well, you can probably
train a young dog with a choke (although I wouldn't), but then you don't
really need to be reading this :-).

Primarily, you have to keep the *emphasis* on forming the dog's
attitudes toward training when he's young.  Choke or buckle collar is
a secondary issue, as that is for teaching commands, not attitude.

Damon


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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: excited by car travel
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:45:42 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

>Diane Bassett (bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com) wrote:

> Is this car-problem more typical  with herding breeds?  I have a Sheltie, my
> friend also has a border collie with a drooling problem, and the belgian
> shepherd......  Has anyone with a non-herding breed had much of this problem?

My Alaskan Malamute has always had a drooling problem in an automobile.
It has slowly improved over time however.  It used to be really bad
when he was a pup.  Now, it is hardly noticable.  In my case, lots
of repeat trips seems to have more or less elliminated the problem
(he still drools a little).

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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Nutro Max -- Good or Bad?
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:03:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164603.16880@b30.ingr.com> scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com writes:
>I've recently switched dog foods to Nutro-Max and have been
>feeding the amounts specified on the bag.  Prior to my switch,
>my vet had told me that the dogs were the perfect size -- not
>too fat or thin.  Now that I've switched, the boys eat more
>eagerly, but are dropping weight.  Should I increase the 
>amount that I feed?  Should I trash this Nutro Max stuff and
>go back to my old brand?
>
>All advice solicited.
>
>			G. Scott Downey
>			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)
>			Job's Daddy Too (Lab)
>
>P.S.  If it makes any difference, it's the lamb/rice 
>      formula of Nutro Max.  Thanks.  G.S.D.

I use Nutro-Max, but not the lamb/rice so I guess this may not
apply but Beamer seems to really like it much better than the
Purina Nature's Choice.  I haven't actually read the feeding
instructions on the package.  I just feed him what I think is
enough for him to maintain his weight and not go hungry in the
process.  It works out to about 2 bowls a day which I think is
about 4 cups total +/- a bit here and there.  I guess a RottMonster
would need more than that, and a lab for that matter.  Perhaps
I am feeding a bit too much but Beamer doesn't seem to be gaining
any weight lately.  I think he is as big as he will get.  At
least I hope so.  He likes to be held on occasion and always sits
on my lap so much more and I will break.  
I guess I am not being much help.  Why did you switch in the first
place?  I think you should increase the amount of food you are 
feeding if that is the only thing that has changed recently.
Good luck.

Mike


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From: grace@cellar.org (Grace Kirkwood)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: best dog mail-order catalogue
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:16:32 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

rtanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard Tanson)
I have found that the NEW ENGLAND AND SERUM COMPANY puts out a very 
comprehensive catalogue.  They have below wholesale prices on thousands of 
products.  

Call them toll free at 1-800-NE-SERUM 
They are very prompt and have great service.  I order all my serums from them 
as I raise DALMATIANS and give all my puppies their first shots.  

Hope this is helpful.

FROM THE DALMATIAN NATION - - - GRACE

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From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Amputation Progress Update
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:29:01 GMT

In article <9212151209.AA2159@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:14:03 -0800
>From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
>Subject: Amputation Progress Update

>  Just out of curiosity, what kind of a vet bill did Meagan run up?
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Don't know.  I don't think this surgery is overly complicated though, so I 
would guess around $500.  However, Tammy is a veterinary technician, and 
chances are she got the operation performed at the cost of the supplies.
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From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: Re: Kong???
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:56:13 GMT
Keywords: kong, retrieve


Our dog only likes to play with her KONG
if we stick (wedge is more like it)
a cookie or milk bone inside it.
Then -- well, it keeps her busy for awhile!
but once she gets the food out, she stops playing
with it.

-- C. Mount
cjsm@hogpa.att.com
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flat coated retrievers: info wanted
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:46:26 GMT
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Stephen Davies (daviess@gov.on.ca) wrote:
: I recently saw a flat coated retriever at a dog show and was favourably
: impressed.  This seems to be a relatively rare type of retriever,  is
: there a FAQ or other document describing this breed?  I have previously
: owned a black lab., is a flat coated retriever similar?

: Thanks in advance for any information.
 
The flat coats I know are pretty nice dogs.  Because they have yet to hit
the heights of popularity, they seem to be free of the breeding problems
that this brings.  I've seen a few in the obedience rings in Michigan and
know one who is an Obedience Champion.  I'll try to dig up some breeder
info if you'd like.

Karen
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: GSD Heeling problem
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:59:18 GMT
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Octavia Camps (camps@aaron.ece.psu.edu) wrote: : I got a suggestion to use
a pinch collar. 
  

: I asked in the past to the trainer if she thought that a pinch collar
: could help (Yes, Max does not care for choking either), but she said
: that it would increase the already high agressiveness of Max ...
: Did anybody out there experience any of the like?

: Thanks!

: Octavia

What is Max' agressiveness problem?  That worries me more than his
heeling problem.  The trainer was right, a pinch collar can increase
aggression in some dogs.  It depends on the problem.  Is the problem
agressiveness, dominance or possibly fear aggression?  

Karen


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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Nutro Max -- Good or Bad?
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164603.16880@b30.ingr.com>, scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey) writes:
|> I've recently switched dog foods to Nutro-Max and have been
|> feeding the amounts specified on the bag.  Prior to my switch,
|> my vet had told me that the dogs were the perfect size -- not
|> too fat or thin.  Now that I've switched, the boys eat more
|> eagerly, but are dropping weight.  Should I increase the 
|> amount that I feed?  Should I trash this Nutro Max stuff and
|> go back to my old brand?


Scott,
If memory serves me correctly your Rotte is still a pup, maybe about
7-8 months old (?), can't remember on the LabX.   The weight loss
your seeing may have less to do with the food switch and more to do with an
adolescent growth stage.  Many puppies get kinda gangly and thin during
the latter stages of growth.  Don't know if this applies in your case tho.
BTW I use Nurto-Max premium and my girls do just great on it.  I've considered
changing when one friend or another suggest I try their favorite brand.  What
I've found, however, is that one friend will say brand "X" is manna from heaven 
and I'll consider buying it, just as another friend says it's the worst food
on earth and causes all kinds of unspeakable doggy problems.  My solution?
The girls and I are happy with what I feed, so I think I'll leave well enough
alone.  Well. . . for now at least :-).

Merry Merry,
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog names? (not a trivial question)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:54:06 GMT
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 Dianne Schoenberg (diannes@milton.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: Fcc: sent-mail
: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 15:58:05 -0800 (PST)
: From: Dianne Schoenberg <diannes@u.washington.edu>
: Subject: 
: Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9212091505.A25285@milton.u.washington.edu>
: MIME-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii

:  
: Here in the U.S. people seem to prefer two-syllable names i.e. Molly,
: Sammy, etc.  Obedience trainers particularly prefer names that end with
: the long EE sound.  One warning is to avoid names that sound like
: obedience commands i.e. Kit (sounds like Sit) or Rover (sounds like Over).
: (One time my friend and I tried to train our dogs Katie and K.C. together. 
: It didn't work too well--every time one of us said one of the dogs' names 
: both responded!)

re: Kit, sit
 A friend of mine has an OTCh sheltie by the name of Kit
and Kit has never had a problem making the distinction.  Her other two
shelties do however.  Often when Kit's name is said, the other two will
sit.  : )

Gaia, who is sometimes called Gai has never had a problem with Gai, stay and
wait.  Random has no problem with come either.

Karen (who can't seem to do the names right)

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