From: godura@oin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:42:10 GMT

In article <5q8euB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
>A reply to a message written by: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
> 
>>Could any of you (Pro-Khalistan) people give me a solid reason of 
>>wanting Khalistan. 
> 
>  Better question can you give me a reason why we should stay with 
>India?  Especially since up to this day India is killing innocent 
>Sikhs in fake encounters, always restricting Sikh economic growth 

Yes, and who built the Kapoorthala coach factory ? Probably your satanic
gun-toting miserable excuses for mankind you call "Sant" so-and-so ?
And who paid for the construction of all the canals and waterways in
Punjab, a disproportionately high number compared to the other state?
Probably Jinda ? 

>in Punjab, for instance by using development permits!  The Indian

Kindly explain, O son-of-the-soil clearly how the government is doing
the above. If you have an iota of intelligence you will realize that the
very fact that Punjab was or is the most prosperous state in India
proves that the govt could not have been discouraging growth there. Do
you think Sikhs are strong enough to have built up Punjab fighting heavy
odds against the weak "Hindu" government. Probably, with your level of
intelligence, you do, and use bullshit like this to brainwash others of
your ilk.

>gov't is constantly trying to split us up: Moderate Sikh, Terrorist
>Sikh, Armathari Sikh (Initiated), non-Armathari Sikh, main-stream
>Sikhs (this and Moderate are the more popular terms - defination: 
>A sikh who is willing to kiss the ass of the hindu gov't of India).   
>Also for more information on India meddling in Sikh affairs read a
>book called `Soft Target'.  Sikhs also have no voice in the countries
>operations, except for one or two puppets who under their turbans
>are more Hindu'ish (probably count cows to sleep) in their thinking 
>than a Hindu.

So you mean to say that the millions of Sikhs who live outside Punjab in
India are all kiss-ass puppets ? If they are not, why don't they just
pack up and go back to Punjab. What's stopping them? Certainly not the
Indian government? What's stopping all the millions of prosperous sikhs
in Delhi and Haryana from going back to Punjab, or to UK or Canada ? 
Let me tell you you anglecised-loud-mouth, these people stay where they
are because they feel at home there. Because they have respect in
society there, because they don't have to think before leaving for work
in the morning as to whether they will return alive, because they live a
free life as equal citizens, and above all because they are Indians and
feel that way.


> 
>> Once agin: DISUNITED WE STAND ?  
> 
>* Only to the person who see's it through the Indian gov't's eyes! *
> 
>  Are you aware that at the Hola Mohalla festivial this year in 
>`Punjab India' when they asked if Khalistan should be created, half 
>a million Punjabi's hands went up (all the people there), this 

Again, unadulterated crap, with the same baselessness as all blind
propagandists say. Who was there to count the 1/2 million people ? You ?
Or probably some learned demographer from the local gurudwara. 

>was done in the evening, and the lights were dimmed, to protect the 
>identity of the militants so they could speak.  If the Punjabi's 
>don't want Khalistan would they not have walked away knowing full 

Does your pea brain pause for a moment to think that those people were
probably raising their hands for fear of getting a bullet in their back
for not not doing so ? No, obviously not. Because you are too lost in
your illusions. Wake up son, and smell the saag. Go, live in Punjab, and
see how relieved the common man is when the army is there, and how
insecure he feels when there is only the police to protect him. This is
because only the army has the means to protect the people. The police is
too ill equipped.

>well that there was a risk in staying, or for that matter even coming 
>there, which was defying police authority?  I doubt you knew that, 
>after all the Indian gov't media WOULDN'T want the outside world to 
>know that the VAST majority of Sikhs `INSIDE' India want Khalistan!  

I'll tell you what the VAST majority of sikhs want. If you, sir, can
speak for the VAST majority of them, nothing stops me from speaking for
them either. The only difference is that you speak for the "VAST"
majority of sikhs that are Canadian citizens, and probably a few
disgruntled cousins that left the motherland because they could not get
a good enough job, while I speak for the "VAST" majority of sikhs in
India, who are Indian citizens, who care what happens in India to
Indians, unlike you. The "VAST" majority of Sikhs in India want peace.
They would gladly live in India, and they are doing so happily in all
states except one .. Punjab. You seem to count as sensible the opinion
of a few peasants in Punjab who are constantly blackmailed by the
terrorists into toeing their line, while you call the millions of
educated, prosperous, respected sikhs outside Punjab as kiss-ass puppets
? I can only hope your dull brain can recognise your folly.

>Also a call for Khalistan was made at a Sikh gurdwara in 
>Punjab, India and all hands went up (I have the picture taped on 
>my wall!) and don't tell me they were playing `simon says'!

They were playing 'AK-47 says'. Do you know what would have happened to
you if you were to have been in that gurudwara in Punjab, and, had, on
an experimental basis, not raised your hand ? The least I can say is
that you wouldn't be around to spew this garbage on the net.

>Even if you can't get this through your thick skull at least
>acknowledge the fact that a significant portion of the Sikh 

Point acknowledged. I concede that, rightly or wrongly, the Sikh people
are not happy with the status quo. Chandigarh is still not with Punjab.
There is the water sharing problem. But most of all, the Terrorism
problem. Let the terrorism (*DONT* put your bullshit about state
terrorism here) stop, and we'll see who's dissatisfied. Probably only
Canadian kiss-asses like you. 

>population is not happy with the status quo!
> 
>  It is statements like these that push us Sikhs abroad to use our
>last bit of energy to help build Khalistan.  Sadly thoa more of these
>rallies can't be held in the fear of another Jallianwala Bagh or
>for that matter Amritsar'84 type massacre.  
> 
>  I'm sure this article will have no effect on you or most other 
>Hindu's because it is like talking to a brick wall, I know from 

Because you are talking malicious, biased, inflammatory, and
secessionist crap, and most of all because KHALISTAN is, was, and will
be a piece of fiction.

>experience that information like this will just go in from 
>one ear and out the other! 
> 
>  I do understand where you get this idea we are not unified especially
>right after 84 when the Indian gov't was having a field day seeing
>Akali's battling it out against each other and blaming each other's
>leaders for conspiring and commiting murders.  This was also even
>happening in Gurdwara's outside of India, which reminds me of a  
>incident of a Anglo Vancouver person who had a fascination with 
>Sikh warfare;  He asked his Sikh friend if they still have the
>propensity to fight, so the Sikh took him to the Gurdwara on the 
>weekend and they sat there.  The white person asked the Sikh so when 
>are you going to show me your people's great fighting skills, he 
>replied just wait as soon as the poug (A sweet handed out at 
>Gurdwaras) is given out and consumed it starts to stir the lion in 
>every Sikh, all the suddenly a fight erupted between two Sikh political
>rivalries and low and behold Kirpans were being unsheathed and swung.
>Lets just say that white person had a whole new perspective
>on Sikhism that day! 

Yes, a new perspective that shows how stupid and trigger happy you guys
are. You call that a display of good sense, bravery, your democratic
values. Any asshole can pull out a sword, or fire an AK-47. Does that
make him brave, or sensible. Wake up, the dark ages are over. 
That again is one more reason why Khalistan is not feasible. You simply
will not be able to govern it. 

<.... lots of shit about support from the Canadian government ...>

I have only one thing to say. Keep dreaming that the world is going to
come to your rescue. People of the world have better things to do than
listen to the rantings of a few lunatics. Everyone is sick and tired of
terrorism. If you had any basis to support your claims, all these
western countries would be granting asylum status to all sikhs
automatically. From what I know, most sikhs who migrated here did so
ONLY in search of money, to stoop so low as drive taxis and clean
bathrooms for the few extra dollars they earned as compared to at home.
Can you tell me what % of the sikh population has refugee status ?

Get on with your life boy, and let people of a different nation get on
with their lives.

Ruchir.
-- 
Ruchir Godura
Father,....  Yes, son ..  I want to kill you ..!!    (Doors .. The End)
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