HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: The Psychology of New Immigrants, Watch Yourself in Future.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:37:47 GMT


Generally speaking, America is a great country with open
heart. People here are grateful to the land and are willing
to share the happiness with new comers.

But that is not neccessarily so. We have seen Shanoon Yeh.
In fact, a few years ago, a Nobel Prize winner also did
similar thing as Mr. Yeh did in misc.jobs.contract. I was
told that he telephoned some schools asking them not to
accept Chinese from mainland as postdocs. My another experience
was about a Chairman also from a third world country, he 
tried every way to block immigration visas for people such
as from Indian, Brazil, Mideast, and China.

Don't call me a racist, I find that most black and white 
people in this country are more generous than new immigrants 
from Asian countries. Let's call them as American. American
culture is better than Asian culture in this aspect.

We are from Asia countries. We are lucky to have been embraced
by the generosity of this great country. But can we maintain
the American spirit by the time we have a say?

My congratulations to many who landed in this soil.
May we maintain the generosity and the greatness of this
great country and have the same heart of the people here
to new comers.

Xiao Li
From: yli@engr.latech.edu (Yueming Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ******* From Jinhau, Zhejiang Province **********
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: yli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

If you come from Jinhua, Zhejiang province, please contact me. Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- Be Aware!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.213624.6612@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@wind.UUCP  writes:
>There are serious questions about the intension of this survey. 
>
>Since most readers of the three news groups don't have voting right,
>this survey is irrelevant as far as the election goes.
>
>Mr. Matloff is known to be a strong defender of Deng and his guards after 
>the Tiananmen Square massacre.  I hope that Mr. Matloff is not attempting
>to use the result of this survey to discredit the leaders of Chinese
>Democracy Movement, who have called for a tougher sanction against
>China to induce a quicker change. 
>
>Since Mr. Matloff is not exactly a neutral third party, please be aware
>the possible exploitation of this survey.

When you accuse others of ulterior motives please include your name with
your post. In fact, please repost this with your name appended. I mean for
all I know, you could be Jiang Zemin. Mr. Matloff deserves to know who's
sullying his name.

Mark Libucha (my name also appears in the header)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: re: cooking mantou
Organization: MITRE
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.054714.20013@nuscc.nus.sg>, engp2030@nusunix1.nus.sg
(WU HU) writes:
> 
> Could you try other kinds of flour.
> 
> 
I have tried "all purpose" and "for bread" flour.
From: hassman8603@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Foreign Businesses Polluting China?
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:11:20 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Does anyone know of any information that either refutes or supports the
argument that foreign businesses are polluting the Chinese environment?

If you know where there are some good articles, please let me know.

Please send responses to me directly.

Thanks!
Jeff Hassman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yhuang@bishop.ics.hawaii.edu (Ye Huang )
Subject: Origin of Aloha
Organization: SRA, Inc.
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:04:33 GMT



Mr. Pan (From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)) showed:

   In article <BvoFqz.1Dt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
   xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
   >
   >For network expert: What is the abbreviation of the word ALOHA.
   >I don't need analysis, only the origin of the abbreviation. Thanks.
   >
   I remember reading it from textbook many years ago. Some protocol of
   network. Seems it died away.

   Tingli Pan

To clerify the original request and respect the fact, ALOHA is not an
abbreviation for any word. It is a Hawaiian word  expressing greeting
or  forwell.

:-) alo.ha \*-'lo--*, a:-'lo--.ha:\ ij
       [Hawaiian, fr. aloha love] Hawaii  : - used to express greeting
       or farewell 
Mr. Pan is close to. ALOHA network was orignally developed at
University of Hawaii by a group professors and researchers led by Dr.
Norman  Abramson.

As for Mr. Pan's dying ALOHA statement, it seems that it is not a fair
conclusion. Many other improvements widely used today are derived from
ALOHA framework. The theory is still mentioned in today's network
courses.

No export and no flame. Just for clarification. Mr. Pan probably would
not mind to visit Hawaii flying with Aloha Airline.

-----HY

--
: Thomas Y. Huang                                      
: e-mail: yhuang@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu                  
: phone:  808-956-3490(W) 808-946-0969(R)            
: s-mail: SERL Lab., ICS Dept., UH, HNL, HI 96822   
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:28:36 GMT

In article <Bw4sJ3.6rM@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> 
> 
> >In article <1bfmioINN2ve@phakt.usc.edu>, zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
> >>   I own tuition to my parents ONLY. My parents are CHINESE PEOPLE
> 
> The parents of the college students can only provide a fraction of 
> the education cost for their kids. People in a country need college students,
> so they put their money together to support some of their kids to
> go college while take others back to factories and farms. The reason that
> people in a country do so is to expect the college students will serve
> their country and their people more effeciently.
> 
> Gao1 Kao3 (the college entrance exam) is nothing but a way to select the
> "lucky" kids who recieve the money not only from their own parents, but also
> from the parents whose kids "failed" in the exam. The exam is fair, but
> the result is not completely fair.
> 
> Someone may say that if our parents earn more, they should be able to pay
> our tuition. Well, in USA, the parents do earn a lot (not simply because
> they work hard and have hi-tech, but also because their country grabs huge
> amount of wealth from the 3rd world). However, even in USA, the tuition 
> paid by parents does not cover the education cost completely. 
> The public universities recieve money from tax-payer's share, of course.
> The private universities collect money related to the tax-examption, in
> other word, the money should otherwise be paid as tax in some sense.
> Though the fraction covered by parents may vary from country to country,
> it is not 100% anywhere.
> 
> There is a Chinese idiom: "Er3 Shi2 Er3 Lu4, Min2 Zhi1 Min2 Gao2".
> (Er3 = your, Shi2 = food, Lu4 = salary?, Min2 = people, Zhi1, Gao2 = wealth)
> Most of the Chinese college students do know the fact described above, 
> and they do know what they should do.
> 
> 
Just for curiosity.  Why C.G. do not collect tuitions from these students? 
This is unthinkable for us who came from Taiwan.  C.G is too poor to
support this "free lunch" for these student.  C.G should build more
elementry schools, middle schools, instead of waste the education fund in
this way.  Do not "Hua Da4 Qien2 ban4 Da4 Xue2, Hua Xiao3 Qien2 ban4 Xiao3
Xue2" (use too much money on universities, while use too little money on
lower level education).  The literacy rate in China is 77%, comparing with
Japan 99% and Asian 4 dragons >90%.

MSWD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 54yang@cua.edu
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.184054.6074@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
> I did not accuse china of anything. All I said was what taiwan does.
> So, it was great that china has a better system than that of ten years ago.
> 
> It is interesting to see people from china always being so defensive of the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> faults they had in the past or they have now. What causes that?
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Blind pride may be a reason, not confident may be another.

	At the same time, many people from Taiwan are also appear
	very denfensive of what ever they had in the past or they
	have now in Taiwan.

	Let's get rid of the propogandas and make some effort to
	find the facts.  Let's understand each other instead of
	accusing each other.

	:-)
From: news@walter.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- Be Aware!
Reply-To: jchen@wind.UUCP 
Organization: Applied Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:55:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.012951.19418@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>>Since Mr. Matloff is not exactly a neutral third party, please be aware
>>the possible exploitation of this survey.
>
>When you accuse others of ulterior motives please include your name with
>your post. In fact, please repost this with your name appended. I mean for
>all I know, you could be Jiang Zemin. Mr. Matloff deserves to know who's
>sullying his name.
>
>Mark Libucha (my name also appears in the header)
>

Mr. Matloff's position on the Tiananmen Square massacre can be viewed from
the numerous posts after the instance. It is not a secret. Any folk reading
SCC that time can voucher my conclusion. To attribute his controversial name
to my "sullying" would be too flattering.

My post serves as words of caution. Many new netters don't know who
he is or what he stands for. I provided some backgroud of his past deeds
to argue that my concern is reasonable. 

Since he didn't state his intention, and how the survey is going to
be used, I pointed out some of the scenarios that the survey can be 
exploited to damage the unity of the Chinese student democracy movement.
I certainly hope that it is not his intent, but I don't want to take
chances given his past records.

J. Chen (my login in the header is self-evident)

PS, Do you also want to know my SS # and mother's maiden name?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Bill and Jemmy (not a story------------)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:52:29 GMT

In article <CHEN.92Oct12122234@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp> chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie) writes:
>>The most important thing for IFCSS to do now is to keep the 
> >in its position and try to prevent any demoncracy or open-door things
> >from happening.  Also try to let the human right in CHina as bad as 
> >possible.  Keep the reformers away from the CCP and help halp the
> >leftists in their position.  Then the green cards can be guarantteed.
>
>Obviously, this is the real purpose of IFCSS.

  Then, the CCP government must have been very cooperative.  Wish you
  could advice the CCP government not to.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Lei Feng, mirror and mirror breakers(was: Re: Learn from Lei 
    Feng)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:44:39 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>I would rather believe in God instead of Lei Feng. This is because I know Lei  

I will be the first one waiting to hear from you when you begin to believe GOD.
What a beautiful world that will be.
May GOD hear all this.

>Carl
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: looking forward to the law suit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:57:26 GMT

Yes, i am ready technically and politically.  Please be reminded that the
whole blood card bill process was INTENTIONALLY kept quiet by the US 
government.  If you no longer can stay quiet, i certainly would be glad
to help you.  it's on my behalf anyways.

BTW, some people I know are planning to sue the US government.  I am not
going to be part of it.

shannon
-------
From: lix@congo.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:57:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <Bvrnn8.5tq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> (deleted)
<I assume Yue Fei is a Christian. Juses once said: "Drink it, it is my
<blood, ... eat it, it is my flesh ...."

That is quite a possibility. Christian was introduced into China in Tang dynasty,
it was called "Jin (Jesus) Jiao (Religion)". But in Henan of North-Song, Jewish
religion seems surpassing Christian.
--
From: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Please FAX this letter to George Bush
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <2AD3D8CA.4721@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon  
Yeh) writes:
> To: President George Bush
> RE: Bill S1216
> (Print your name here)
> **Please check with your Chinese speaking consultant about the meaning  
of
>   Bu4Xue2Wu2Shu4.
What is his fax number ? (1-800-FAX-BUSH ???)
Just kidding .

Go White-Sox, Da Bulls, Cubs Win, Cubs Win.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Sue Shannon
Organization: MITRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:56:36 GMT

In article <98709@bu.edu>, lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct15.012157.17713@sunspot.noao.edu> library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett) writes:
> >(deleted)
> 
> Thanks John. You are really nice to stand up whenever we Chinese WuoLi Dou
> (fighting in net):-)  Though, I think Mr. Yeh's apology is necessary.
> 
> Many friends gave me advices. You haven't yet:-) I still feel uneasy to
> take the free bus. I think it is very good for these 40,000 CSS to stay
> in this dream land. But I prefer to taking bicycle:-) 
> 
> After considering friends' advice, I am thinking to let others to decide
> for me. That is, let's appeal Chinese Government to release some innocent
> political prisoners, then we thank Uncle Sam and go home.
> 
> But the prolem will be two sides: if they release too many, such action
> may endanger other's green cards. So I assume we only request 1:1, i.e.,
> Old Lix goes home, release Xiao Bin. Shannon Yeh goes home, since Mr. Yeh
> is famous, so release Wang Dan. Xiao-lin Li, a professor, exchanges the
> release of Chen Ziming. But on the other hand, I don't know how many CSS
> can join me yet. What do you think? Can you help? (for example, pass our
> message to China's Gao Gan, call for volunteers, etc.)
> -- 

1) I agree with you and I am very disappointed by Chinese WuoLi Dou.  It is
so call "Nei4Dou4 Nei4Hang2, Wai4Dou4 WaiHang2" (fight inward expert, fight
outward non-expert).

2) I respect you of your prefering to taking bicycle.  However, I do not
think it is a good idea to use this as an exchange condition.  It will make
things more complicated and might be worse.  If you want stay or not is
your own choice, please do not link it to any other political issue.  If
you want to stay here, you are welcomed.  If you prefer go back, you are
respected.  Make your own decision, and good luck!


MSWD
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:34:50 GMT

In article <ldjshbINNb5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>The mentioned few words, Kuai, Da Zha Lan, Si Gu (sillion valley) has been
>discussed on SCC over and over. I found out people on SCC during TAM time
>were honest. They did admit the error and fairly comitted to correct the

Is this a serious charge? I don't think I should stick to some ancient
pronunciations of some words, i.e. I don't admit THIS "error",
therefore I am dishonest?

By the way, are you really sure Guo Yu (National Official Language) is
same as that in Song Dynasty? How about Tang or Qin Dynasty? The point is
that people adapt language to themselves, not adjust themselves to the
language. Take a look at the history of any languages, and you will get
some idea.
	
>pronounciation. To those tend to pronounce Kuai as Hui, have less basis to
>argue with. If my grand had a name KUAI, and he was called KUAI in his life
>time, that was his name. No one should change his name. So as Qin Kuai!
>
Fine. But he may still be called HUI by his friends and colleagues. And
he may be called YUN by future's historians.:-) Who knows? 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: Who knows Qiu Liebin (coming from Beijing)
Keywords: Looking for acquaintance
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:29:49 GMT


If you know me, Mr. Qiu Liebin, a Chinese student now studing in Canada,
please contact me:

      Qiu Liebin
      36E - 1411  Morisset Ave.
      Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3

      Email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca


Or if you know someone of the following, please inform me by email:

     Mr. Liu Hong      now studying in Connecticut, Economics
  
     Mr. Dong Zhanfeng now studying in Lamar Uni., IE, Texas
     Mr. Wang Qiong    now studying in U.S.A. coming from Shanghai
     Mr. Yuan Miwei    now studying in Canada
     Miss Qi Ming      now studying in U.S.A. coming from Beijing
     Miss Zhou Ying    now Studying in U.S.A. coming from Tsinghua U.

     Mr. Bai Jining    now studying in U.S.A. coming from Tsinghua U.
     Miss Pan Weiying  now studying in U.S.A. coming from Tsinghua U.
     Mr. Ding Juren    now studying in U.S.A. coming from Beijing
     Miss Wang Feng    now studying in U.S.A. coming from Tsinghua U.
     Miss Lou Yudan    now studying in California coming from Beijing


Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Bill and Jemmy (not a story------------)
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:08:22 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

As the bill was signed this morning, Shannon became a standing
jest. I feel sorry for people doing this.

Look, this is not the moment that everyone will get GC now.
At least I know if there were a dramatic change in China, US
goverment may feel no longer hold it's standing. So, don't
try to irritate Shannon too much 'cause he may try to bumb
CCP's convention and let the CG loose control. ( I think some
Shannon's supporter use to post in SCC declaring that Shannon
try to bomb Zhong Nang Hai, hope I am not getting a lie...)
In such a case, CSS will be back home safely without US
protection. I hope there is no one from Chinese National Security
Bureau reading this, so Shannon won't be listed as most wanted
"100" in a black namelist.
Long Life CCP for another year. -)
From: jiang@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Fenglai Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Bush's "speech" in St Louis
Keywords: Countries, Parties & Dictators
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:28:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct15.232825.10886
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

In article <2AD92E3E.17587@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>When Bush tried to attack Clinton during the debate, he said that he did not
>like to accept those who "demonstrate to against their home country in the
>foreign territoy".  Then, why did he default those Chinese students' 
>screwing China activities in the US?
>
>I will have my letter send to him before the 2nd debate (10/15).
>
>shannon
>-------
Dear Shannon,
I think it is better to clearify these concepts: Countres, Parties and Dictatorsbefore you send out the fax. I believe that the Chinese students including thosein US demonstrated against the Party, especially those dictotators of the Parth,not the Country.  It seems you did not understand the spirit of the student movement or you are intentionally trying to mess the mater up.
.
From: jim@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:10:47 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Oct6.024628.19310@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> In article <81136@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> 
>>I don't support CCP, but I'm not too enthusiatic about overthrowing
>>it.  The reason is that I've looked at 20th century Chinese history.
>>When people overthrew the Qing, they got the KMT.  When people
>>overthrew the KMT, they got the CCP.  Based on this, I strongly
>>suspect that if one just overthrows the CCP, one will plunge China
>>into chaos, and after about 20 years, one will end up with yet another
>>party which people want to overthrow.
> 
> But it is hardly the rule in Chinese history!  When the people overthrew
> Sui, they got Tang (a better dynasty).  When they overthrew Ming, they got
> Qing (a better dynasty), etc., etc.
> 
>>Because of this, I am not enthusiatic about just overthrowing the CCP
>>through traditional means.  We need to find other ways so that we can
>>break this cycle of modern Chinese history.
> 
> Well, the Soviet communist party was overthrown, albeit in a non-traditional
> means.  If you, however, consider that overthrow traditional, then I would
> say that it is possible that overthrowing the CCP will help the Chinese
> tremendously.
> 
>>As long as the CCP keeps on its policy of economic reform (and by now
>>so much power has flowed to the provinces that its impossible for it
>>not to) and as long as there seem to be some people in the CCP who
>>understand the situation, I would say that our efforts are better
>>spent transforming the CCP rather than overthrowing it.
> 
> Like how Egon Kranz spent East German efforts trying to transform the East
> German communist party?  Like how the Hungarian leader (forgot his name) spent
> Hungarian efforts trying to transform the Hungarian communist party?  Like
> how Mikhail Gorbachev spent Soviet efforts trying to transform the Soviet
> communist party?
> 
> At first, people's lives will be improved by these transformations, and that
> is good.  However, as the reforms go, it is inevitable that there will have to
> be an eventual split between the reformers and the hardliners.

That's right. A chaos mostly happen in such country of China, on her background
of history and education. People need country, country need politics and
paties. But people care more about their lives, chances and educations and so
on! So the best thing is so-called reform, not rush like USSA but step by step.
It's no use to get hurry.

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