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From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Wire Fox Terrier grooming "?"
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:38:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr9.153837.29876
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <167C490D6.VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU> VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>I have a 10 week old Wire Fox Terrier puppy and am concerned when he
>should get his first haircut.  I don't plan to show him, but would
>be interested in spending the time and money necessary to properly
>groom him.  The reason why I choose this breed was for its groomed
>appearance, so I really want to do embark on this lifelong grooming
>endeavor.
>
>If anyone can give me some guidelines or just general hints on the care
>of a Wire Fox's coat, I will be eternally thankful.
>
Most terriers with wiry coats are "stripped."  I can't explain this
process.  My boss does it to hers every 3 or 4 months, I think.  If
you are planning to show the terrier, they must be stripped.  If he's
just a pet, they can be clipped.  The caution with clipping is that
eventually, their coat will become soft.  So if you ever want to have
that wiry look and feel, its a long process to get back to it.  

I'd call around to the groomers in your area and ask if they are
familiar with "stripping" terriers.
From: IDIC@UMINN1.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Mother Knows Best by Carol Lee Benjamin
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:41:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: UMINN1.92107.134106IDIC
Organization: University of Minnesota - Computer & Information Services

I'm no expert on the subject of training / educating / or most other
matters, but I have to speak out and say I thought this book was
EXCELLENT !  It may not be a book for those 'experts' out in netland,
who may find fault with certain 'techniques' in dealing with our pets,
but ......   I especially liked the photos and illustrations.  I'm
partial to English Springers and German Sheperd Dogs which were
pictured in the book.  Thanks Terry for posting your 'review', I
hope some others will benefit from the book.
From: ellis@daffodil.LABS.TEK.COM (Cynthia Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog kills another-is Sheba safe?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:46:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR


In article <1992Apr9.141023.21933@gvl.unisys.com> pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:
>> A very good friend of mine has a Sharpei.  Tia is about 8 months old.
>> 
>> Tia was lying
>> by the body of a male golden retriever.  She had obviously just killed
>> the dog.  She was covered with his blood.
>
>An 8-month-old Shar-pei puppy killed an adult male Golden?  Does anyone else 
>find this a bit incredible?  The smallest male Golden I've ever seen is still
>50-60 pounds, and they run up to 85-100 or more.  The last time I saw a
>full-grown Shar-pei, it didn't look as though it could take on something that
>large and strong.
>
>Anyone know enough about either breed or both to be able to comment on this?


Shar-Peis WERE bred to be fighting dogs. However, they were somewhat
ineffective because most members of the breed weren't aggressive
enough to actually fight very much (although if the Shar-Pei DID fight, 
it usually won because the other dog would have trouble getting through
all that skin!).

With respect to size, Shar-Peis are a mixed bag. The breed really isn't 
very "pure", which is probably why the AKC doesn't recognize it. Some 
Shar-Peis are fairly small, but others have more Mastiff blood in them, 
and these tend to be larger. The average full-grown Shar-Pei female is 
about 45-50 lbs. The Shar-Pei tends to "grow into its skin", which means
that those small, wrinkly dogs that are so cute on posters and cards
are puppies.

Still, I also doubt that an 8-month-old Shar-Pei could or _would_ kill
an adult male Golden. The Shar-Peis I have known are rather mellow dogs.
I agree with someone else's opinion that another male killed the Golden 
and then mated with the Shar-Pei, in which case she is most likely pregnant 
and should be spayed to avoid this and future pregnancies (yes, vets will 
spay a pregnant dog, usually for an extra fee).


Cindy

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Child's pet
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:43:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr13.134254.5416@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, gms@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes...

>In article <1992Apr9.200546.8752@b15.b15.ingr.com>, lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee) writes:
>> I have a friend who's wanted to get her son a dog.  Her son is five
>> years old.
>> 
>This is not a flame, but unless the mother is going to feed, train and
>supervise all the child dog interactions they do not really want a dog.
>If the family wants a dog then there a plenty of hardy beasts that are
>good with children but children should not be given a dog until the can
>care for it correctly.

I agree.  No 5 year old that I've ever seen can take care of a dog.  

Some 8 year olds can do it.  I was 8 when my older sisters got a dog.  
(They named her Daisy, I was partial to Huntz.)  Technically it wasn't 
my dog but I took care of her - fed, bathed, and cleaned up after 
her before she was house broken.

I'm really glad we had her.  No one needs the unconditional love of a 
dog more than a teenage boy.  She was put down when I was 18 - just 
the right age to start learning lifes *really* hard lessons.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
From: lend@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (L. E. Deroeck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: bitch in heat = dog won't eat
Summary: Arnie's Normal
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:32:47 GMT
Organization: Harris Computer Systems, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

In article <1992Apr8.130558.21123@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley) writes:
>I just need some reassurance:
>
>Sophie is in heat and Arnie is on a "Free Love" hunger strike!
>How long can this dog live on vitamins (which I have to shove
>down his throat!!)
>
>Their breeder says the same thing happens to "dad" when he's visiting
>the "girls", but I've worried enough over this scrawny dog not
>eating and now THIS!
>
Welcome to the world of breeding animals, Arnie's behavior is normal and
consistant for a non-neutered dog.  As soon as Sophie is completely out of
heat he will return to normal.

If you really want him to eat though try mixing some maccaronni and cheese
with his normal food.  My males can sometimes be coaxed to eat this way, and
it will help keep his weight up.

Len DeRoeck (Shelties and Collies, Mystic Kennels)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Apology
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:14:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.121515.1942@inland.com> walls@inland.com writes:
>I am sending this message to apologize for the big issue that was created
>when I posted the article called "Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
>First of all, I did not write the article, the article was printed from
>the April 8 issue of Ann Lander's column. The man who wrote it, called
>his article that. I keep religon out of alot of material I write, as
>someone always seems to blow it out of proportion such as the case of this
>article. If I would of known that I created so many problems I would NEVER
>have put it in here. I had no intention of starting a flame war.
>Secondly, I felt that as animal lovers, you would have enjoyed it anyway,
>religon or not. I keep my beliefs to myself, if anyone was offended, please
>accept my apology. For all the fanatics that call themselves CHRISTIANS
>but don't practic what they preach and find an excuse to throw everthing
>out of context, GROW UP. And to think that I have 2 more articles concerning
>the love humans have for animals. I was going to post them but I got scorched
>pretty bad from the last flame throwing party that was held in my honor.
>   

I'm sorry you feel this way.  I enjoyed your article and did not
participate in the flame war.  I wish you would continue to post.  It
was posts and emails like yours that helped me cope with Chester's death
last November.  My husband and I were so upset we didn't think we
could ever have another dog.  People on the net, through articles and
their own experiences, encouraged us to get another dog.  It was the
best advice.  In March we got Max, and our house seems like a home
again.  

schalene
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Aggression towards my dog
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.192902.9153@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P) writes:
|> 
 
|> She is not submissive towards other dogs and we wondered if she somehow gave
|> off some kind of "signal" which triggered these responses.  She will approach
|> these other dogs with head up and tail wagging, almost overly friendly and then
|> once a fight starts, the "friendship" is quickly over.
|> 

Dogs have a variety of signals that humans can't readily detect.  An obvious
signal is walking stiff legged, with the tail held up high and waving slightly. 
Her head would be up higher than the other dog's.  This would indicate a
challenge.  If she rests her head over the other dog's head or uses her paw to
touch the dog's head or back, that is a challenge.  On the other hand, if she
lowers her head (or even her entire front end), this is submissiveness or an
invitation to play.

Are these male or female dogs she fights with?  Is she spayed?
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From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: OBJECTIVE DOG BOOK WANTED
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:43:12 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	With any luck, I will be in a place that will take pets in June.  My
wife brought two cats and I, a parrot, to this marraige that we've temporarily
left behind.  If we can get into the house we want....?...
	WE WANT A DOG!!!
	I've seen lots of books on different breeds and their many attributes, 
I'm still looking for a really good one.  There seems to be a habit amongst dog
lovers to not describe their pets very objectively.  (Case: A write-up on the
Newfoundland made it sound like the perfect house dog, besides being large.  I
know enough that I'd have to follow him with a mop, thanks to a neverending
supply of slobber.)  I want the hard truth about different breeds.  I've been
around dogs most of my life, so I don't need advice on owning...yet.  I am
mostly interested in the Sporting breeds.  The wife and I have a definate
prejudice towards them.  Labs are my favorite and Golden Reteivers are hers. 
I'd appreciate reference to some good, objective books.  Thanks

	TC
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: finding puppy
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:54:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.00958BF2.72F6A140
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Just to let you know when i had a sable collie I brought it to the vet and he took some notes on the markings and his name and mine and when the dog ran away once I told the vet and he said that with collies they can call other vet offices and leave the description of your dog and they actually look at all collies brought in to try and locate your dog for you. I found him myself but I called and thanked the vet and his receptionist for all their help. You might give this a try.
From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Any Bedlington Terriers Owners-Breeders
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Hi,

I'm interested toknow if anyone has ever owned a Bedlington Terrier
or knows of any breeders for this rare breed.  I have my second one
that is 14 years old and may replace her when she passes on.  I know
Dog World magazine advertises occasionally, but I am curious if anyone
knows of any breeders.  I'm in the Baltimore, Maryland area, but can
consider obtaining one from most anywhere.

Wendy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Housebreaking Idea bad?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:25:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr16.160242.11796@newshost.lanl.gov> 
	srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:

>    "     1. If he has had an 'accident' inside the house, clean it 
>             up thoroughly.
>          2. Then take him, never call hime, to the area.

Reverse the order.  Take him there before you clean it up. Then take him to
where you want him to poop.

And never, ever let him see you cleaning up his poop! Ever!

Also, effusive praise when he poops in the right place.

This whole business is much easier if you use the crate, confine the
dog after eating, and then go immediately to the place you want him to
go.  It's easier to reward desired behavior than discourage undesired
behavior.  If you're too stern about pooping in the living room, he may
just go poop in a less-frequently used room of the house.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:58:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.140806.27587@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr10.124112.1927@inland.com> walls@inland.com writes:
|> >As the vet led you away, you stopped for an instant,turned your head and 
|> >looked up at me as if to say:"Thank you for taking care of me". I thought,
|> >"NO! ---thank YOU for taking care of me.
|> 
|> 
|> Oh, sure, get me crying over my keyboard!  People are starting to wonder
|> about me, anyway. :-)
|> 
|> Seriously, that was beautiful, even if it was awfully painful.  Thanks
|> for posting it.
|> 
|> Roberta
|> ...who dreads the day Magnum and/or Babie goes away...

I just started subscribing to this newsgroup and missed the original posting.
Could someone repost it. I don't really want to open up old wounds but
just the few sentences above caused me to get teary-eyed.

-Jaz

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From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Outdoor Dogs vs Indoor Dogs
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:00:45 GMT
Organization: not much...

> I see some people stating that Outdoor dogs are worse off than Indoor dogs
> and that they will not bond to the pack, etc... Not True!
> 
> If the dog is a pet then an indoor dog is probably best, but if the
> dog is intended to be a working dog first and pet second then place
> the dog where it will best serve your purpose.

I think that you're reacting in part to something I said in response to the
woman who asked for suggestions for her friend, who wanted an outdoors dog as
a pet for a 5-year-old boy.

You are right: I generalized about indoor/outdoor dogs, but I tried (via the
little smiley about Susan Butcher, the many-time winner of the Iditerod) to
hint that I wasn't talking about working dogs.  I agree with you that there
is a big difference, and my original message should be qualified to say that
outdoor pets are not likely to be as fully bonded with the family as indoor
pets, unless a lot of time and effort is expended to work/play with them.  Our
Katie is with us just about every second that we're home, and this gives her
more opportunity to interact with us than if she spent the time out in a dog
run.
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:37:59 GMT

In <44480@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:


>       SS 307-99-9999
>       AKC DC12345

>That way I fit both the AKC requirement to have perminant ID on my
>dogs and I only have to register my Social Sec. number once with NDR
>for $35 dollars and all my dogs can have the same number on them.

>Also, this way if someone finds my dog and doesn't know any tattoo
>registry place's phone number, they can call the license Dept. and
>get my address from my drivers license.

Although, that only works where ssn's are used for driver's license
numbers.  California does not do this, for example.  I've been told by
police officers that in marking anything in general (and I assume dogs
would be included), you want to use something that the police can look
up -- and they CAN'T just look you up from your SSN!

But using it with the dog registry number means they can -- they'll
just look THAT number up as a DRN, and the fact that it happens to be
your SSN is secondary.  Just don't expect them to call up the DMV,
necessarily.

--Cindy
7 more days 'till she's born!!


--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of four parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTp site) in early May.
From: kae@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Karen Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Thanks from me and Tucker
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:10:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.21020141
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

I have to thank all of you who responded to my plea for help with Tucker and
his fear of storms. You'd be surprised (maybe you wouldn't) at the number of
people who said the same things - seems like that's a clue!
The crating business will help since Tucker likes his crate. I just have to
get it back from the person who borrowed it from me. The loud music thing I'm
not too keen on but if that's my last resort, then I'll give it a try.
As for Tucker picking up on *my* fears, it's likely although I love thunder-
storms. I just hate tornado weather. If it's your basic T-storm, I like to 
listen to it and watch the lightening so I'm sure it isn't me he's gotten his
fear from. 
Anyway, thanks to you all for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it
goes. 
-k
From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Adventures in submissive urination
Summary: from 100 feet...
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:39:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T


There's a yellow lab that sometimes comes into my yard.  I don't
know where he lives.  He is so submissive that if I say "Hi, Boy"
to him from 100 feet away he pees all over himself.  He cowers and
crouches, although his tail *IS* wagging when you can see it between
his legs.  I feel really sorry for the dog, but he won't come close 
enough for me to touch him.  He wears a collar...I assume he has a
home.  I bet he gets tied to a doghouse most of the time and has 
very little people interaction.  You can tell that he really wants to
be friendly but he's scared.


-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King
From: freds@ast.COM (Fred Sieg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: why pekingese
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:36:19 GMT
Organization: AST Research Inc., Irvine, CA

in article <167C17E55.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) says:
> 
> In article <21020131@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
>       reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdss on) writes:
>>why do Pekingese dogs exist?
>>
>     Lunch for big dogs!    ;-)
>  
> Sorry, I just couldn't resist.....
>  
>       ----------------------------------------------
> Chris Barnes            |  "Success is the realization of your

I can't resist either. These kinds of insensitive remarks belong in
some of the other insensitive groups.

As a teenager, I had a wonderful Pekingese (named Pedro - don't ask :-).
My father was walking him
when a large dog ran out of a garage and grabbed Pedro by the neck and
ran off. Pedro recovered from his physical wounds but was never the
same psychologically.

I don't find your comment funny.

Fred


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: New animal wefare group?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:45:21 GMT

In article <11272@borg.cs.unc.edu> wagner@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner) writes:
= 
= Which article of the Constitution covers the
= right to free enterprise?  :)

The one that says something to the effect that any power not
expressly given the goverment is retained by the people.  :)


-- 
Best,

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	  crs@lanl.gov
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:06:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1408@heurikon.heurikon.com> 
	 mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer) writes:

[edited]
>In my experience (I own two Malamutes) many northern breeds are NOT
>protective of their owners.  My dogs love all people - they treat
>friends and strangers the same way.  I think the only way they would
>help me is by either scaring someone because of their size or by
>hurting them while pinning them down to lick their face.

Sled dogs, particularly Malamutes, aren't very "people-oriented" dogs --
they're dog dogs.  Malamutes bitches were frequently tied out when
in heat so as to be impregnated by wolves.

>Sheperd-type dogs have a territorial instinct and an instinct to
>"protect the flock".  Most northern breeds do not.

Bosh.  Sled dogs have territory -- it's wherever they are!  And I don't
believe defending territory has anything to do with defense drive.

>I also remember reading that there were attempts to malamutes as guard
>dogs that failed because they could not be trained to be protective.

Guard dogs and protection dogs are as wide apart as night and day.
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