HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boone@rtsg.mot.com (Todd D. Boone)
Subject: Re: Western New York State Report
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:22:03 GMT

>>Frank Kruppenbacher (fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
>>:
>>:     THE FISHING LINE
>>:
>>:      For largemouth bass, try jitterbugs on the surface, at night, or
>>:     rattlebaits, tube jigs, drifted worms, and spinnerbaits in 8 to 10 feet
>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>       What do you mean by "drifted worms"?  Is this live bait or artificial?
>>
>>
>>                                               Thanks??
>>
>>                                               Kevin Dailey
>>
>>--
>
 The definition for drift fishing here in Texas is:

  For example --> Taking a plastic worm (any plastic) and floating with
                  the wind while dragging the worm behind the boat.  Sometimes
                  people do this with "Carolina Rigs, or Split Shot Rigs".

 It's a very effective technique -- especially if the fish are lethargic (sp)

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:02:39 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> >I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
> >are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
> >SKI's. 
> 
> Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
> compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
> Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
> fishing line!
> 
> I've thought about tying on a treble hook, and start casting when one gets
> too close. Maybe if they are "snagged" they'll learn to keep their
> distance :-)
> 
> At least, then, I could catch something -- they sure f**k up the fishing
> 
> Pat Fitzpatrick

About fifteen years ago I had the experience of catching, landing, and 
releasing a catamaran sail boat.  I was trolling for kings just off the 
surf line at Fort Walton Beach, Florida.  We were fishing from my 25'
Sea Ray, about 150 yards off shore, running parallel to the beach with 
six rigs out, all at different depths and lengths.  (It takes about 10 
to 15 minutes to get all rigged out this way.)  I was sitting up on the 
flying bridge, kicked back, sipping on a cold beverage, and watching the 
lines for strikes.  Well, this single person sail boat is fooling around 
in the surf and all the sudden starts heading straight out to sea.  Since
he is headed straight at my boat, I start to get a little annoyed and try 
to wave him off.  Instead of turning back he decides to cut just behind
the boat.  Well guess what?  As he entered my trolling rig array, I cut 
power and put the thing in neutral but not before he had hooked up good 
on two of the surface lines.  Fortunately he was not injured but his boat
was hooked pretty good.  After pulling in all the rigs, getting the turkey
untangled and unhooked, providing a little free advice about judgement 
and consideration, we released this guy to be caught another day.  I thought
about tagging him but decided against it.  I do wish I had thought at the 
time to get a photo.

Bryan

=============================================================================
Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.
              It is much more important than that!
=============================================================================
Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many men go fishing all their lives without 
Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.
bc@col.hp.com             |                                         - thoreau
=============================================================================
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Calling Brits and Europeans
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:18:37 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <1992Aug21.040823.12005@cs.uow.edu.au> u8339105@cs.uow.edu.au (Karl Anthony Docherty) writes:
>Hi Nigel
>
>No bass or crappies here either.NSW fisho's chase everything from Australian
>to Tailor ( Bluefish?? i think to our friends US based ) and Yellowfin Tuna.
>What do you fish for.
>

Oh well, Roach, Dace, Chub, Bream, Barbel ... etc. Not sure if
you have any of those in Australia. You have carp I believe - but
I don't generally fish for them, not specifically anyway.

NigeldoA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:56:26 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey) writes:
> 
> On the Yough, River (Ohiopyle,Pa), we have the same problem with
> white water rafters.  Although they don't seem to spook the fish as
> much (bigger/faster stream/river).  But, it is a pain to reel in
> the line to let a raft go buy.  The tables turned this week though,
> some
> guy  apparently drowned there over the weekend.  They are still
> looking for his body.

Being an owner of a white  water  raft and also use it to fish  with I
would  like  to  relate  a few  things.  Whenever  we  pass  close  to
wade/bank fisherman I always pull in my line as a courtesy.  Yes we do
spook fish when we pass over them, but  normally the fish do not go to
far.  This is  accounted  by the fact that we catch  alot of fish from
the raft.  We do thank you for  pulling  in your line when we pass by.
Due to the  thickness of most larger  rafts  material a hook  probably
couldn't  penetrate, but we do appreciate  it.  Fishing from a raft or
Dory can be quite  exceptional  since you can cover a majority  of the
river  unaccesible to wading.  All of my years of fishing in Oregon on
the  McKenzie  river we always had to deal with  rafters and I fail to
remember any of them that we not curteous to the fisherman.

To say that the  tables  turned  this week is rather  disgusting.  For
anyone to die is a shame.  I know of many  bank/wade  incidents  where
people  fell in and died also.  We too had a raft  rider die last week
in Colorado on the  Arkansas  river in a spot just below where we plan
on spending the weekend rafting and it was a shame.

One would think that if you had a chance to fish from a raft you would
have much more understanding.
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: trout vs. snail darters
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:18:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant


    Well hell, what good does it do us to get all
hot under the camos trying to decide whether a
girlie-man bass is tougher than a girlie-man trout ?
What we need here folks is *science*. Yes *science*.
Upcountry, our favorite scientific experiment is to 
tie two pickups together by the trailer hitch and
let 'em pull till one's tuckered out. Yeah, truck pull
the muddier the better. So I'm thinking mebbee we take
a 5 lb. smallmouth bass and a 5 lb. german brown trout,
attach them by the dorsal fins and set 'em off in 
different directions, let 'em pull till one's belly 
up with exhaustion. That'll settle this once & forall.
Now don't y'all tell them prudes down on that commie
talk.politics.animals now or they'll ruin everythang.
I'd introduce a bluefish into the equation, but hell
why give it a free meal ? See ya on the soon to be
rec.outdoors.fish.wrestling list.....

                                   jc in me. 

"my fish can beat up your fish.. nayh nyah nee nyah2"
From: russell@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Regional Support Engineer - Watchmoor Park)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: re: Palmered hackle?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 12:46:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Russell.Bentley@UK.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skid.uk.sun.com

In article <1992Aug27.151233.2156@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org>, 
|> KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:
|> 
|> >I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
|> >to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
|> >apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.
|> >
|> >                 -Ken
|> 
|> 	The term palmering means to wind a hackle thru the body as in a
|> wooley bugger or wooley worm.  Generally the hackles are tied in at the end
|> of the body and wrapped forward to the eye.
|> 
|> Frank

... or tie the hackle at the head, wind it down the body and secure it
by winding a rib (gold wire, say) back up the body on the opposite
spiral.

This is just as secure, and if done properly can avoid a bulge at the
tail where the hackle was tied in, so is really usefull for small
dressings.

Russ
From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:23:15 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Trout:

   * taste _much_ better

   * fight a lot harder per pound

   * generally live in lots nicer waters

---
Joel Hanes
From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:56:04 GMT
Subject: Fish Dream Interpretation
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

The other night I had a dream that I caught a 3# trout but when
I held it up to show to somebody eating dinner at the lakeside
cafe it was only a 6 inch Crappie.

Can somebody please interpret this dream before the next time I
go fishing?

g (...but the old timers reassured us that this wasn't the first time
   that that mean ole Sturgeon had eaten somebody's 4x4.) t

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A)
Subject: Line protectant
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:12:23 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20



Can anybody tell me what is the best and cheapest way to protect
fly lines from ageing? I've been using "Armor All (?)"
and wonder if this is the best treatment. I do a lot of saltwater
wade-fishing in the Gulf and consequently my lines get a good dose
of salt and UV.

Thanks,
John
From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Peter Toich)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Blue Fishing
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:39:05 GMT
Organization: Drexel U.- CCD-E4

Hi,
	I was wondering if anyone out there could tell about some good blue fishing
charter boats in the New Jersey area as close to Philly as possible.  Thanxs.

Pete Toich

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
email address   stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu 

"All the worlds a stage, and we are merely players" -- Rush
From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: uncoiling the coiled leader
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:59:52 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.
In-reply-to: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU's message of 1 Sep 92 18:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.183732.2441@newross.Princeton.EDU> jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:

>in the sizes you want around the butt (I'm using 50# test, 20# test, 12# test,
>8# test, 6# test, and 3# test (6X? .006). The 3 and 6# test seem OK. All the
>bigger stuff is coiling up.

50#! Seems pretty extreme. I have been building leaders using a
maxima leader kit (like 12 spools of line). The max I use for butts is
about 25# test (tied to a 5wf line).

In general, the but section should be about the same stiffness as the
flyline (the idea is to make it seem like one continuous piece.)

Try matching the flex of you line to the flex of the tippet material.
Use this for about  30-50% of the leader and step down from there.

I tend to taper in about 4 steps, (but this is a matter of
preference).

Both Maxima and Climax make leader kits with enough sizes of tippet to
handle anything from tarpon to bluegills.

tight lines,
rick
--
richard.frankel@amail.amdahl.com
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:37:50 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC

In article <ART.92Aug28145849@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.170759.28760@mcnc.org> kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:
>
>
>
>Moreso, see above.  It took me twenty seven years to learn to catch bass
>and about twenty seven minutes to learn to catch troutses.
>
>[Stuff about the ultimate rod and other things deleted]
>
>ks>  Now, I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fishermen can be
>ks>  extremely annoying with their high powered boats.  But please don't
>ks>  slam the fish itself.  
>
>Agreed!
>
>
>

And I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fisherman can be   
extremely annoying with their high-powered braggin'!! :)  I should
know!  ;-)  Hey, I got the ultimate rod....It's an Ambassodor 5500C
mounted on a 5 ft. mophandle....I mop up the bass with it too!! And
if a gator or shark comes alongside the boat, I just whack him in 
the head and he leaves me alone!! Yup, it's the ultimate!

Enjoy!!

Keith
 
-- 
| Keith M. Boyd  (NCR MCPD Cola.) | Nothing could be finer than huntin' and  |
| 3325 Platt Springs Rd.          |    and fishin' in South Carolina! -Me-   | 
| West Cola., S.C. 29170 |   GO BRAVES!!     | keith.boyd@columbiasc.NCR.COM |
| Vp: 803-791-6419 or 6455    | From uunet: uunet!ncrcom!ncrcae!clodii!keith | 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering)
Subject: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:07:59 GMT

>>"Sink The Bass Boats!"
>>Me, after a week on Lower Saranac Lake

>	BASS:  A slow lazy fish chased by people in floating Corvetts.

I can't understand this.  We have one vein going in which trout are
claimed to be superior to bass and another vein going regarding catching
trout while CHUMMING WITH CORN!!!  A fish has got to be pretty stupid
to go for that!  (I reallize that these are probably hatchery fish
and that a REAL trout would NEVER go for CORN ;-)  

Whoever said bass are slow??? I've tried to chase them while snorkeling
with flippers.  They can move many times faster than I can!  And Lazy?
During the hot summer months bass slow down a lot, I agree.  But
during peak seasons they are highly active, sometimes moving over
large ranges and chasing prey with ferocity.  
 
I would also contend that bass are just as smart.  One piece of evidence . . .
In a good 18 years of bass fishing I have NEVER seen a bass hit a lure
with even a small shred of weed on it.  They know that natural things
simply don't haul weeds around and won't hit anything with weeds
on it.

And fishing for bass is everybit as much of an art as trout fishing 
in my book.  Consistently catching bass requires the same levels
of skill, knowledge, and patience.  Using the right lure, in the
right color, at the right time, with the right presentation, in the
right spot is just as difficult for bass as trout.  And who ever said 
that a flyrod is somehow naturally superior to a modern baitcasting outfit?  

Now, I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fishermen can be
extremely annoying with their high powered boats.  But please don't
slam the fish itself.  

Bass men unite!  We don't have to put up with trout fisher snobbery
anymore!
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:24:30 GMT

bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:

>In article <14295@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <srh3.714839841@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
>>|I did a little fishing in Arkansas on the White River a couple of years
>>|ago and saw many nice sized trout landed with kernels of canned corn.
>>
>>Corn does seem to work well for trout.  I've also seen some large rainbows 
>>caught on mini-marshmallows, as well as marshmallow/salmon egg combinations.
>>I used to use "Zeke's floating bait" quite often.  They had corn, cheese, and
>>marshmallow flavors available.  There were also a variety of colors available.
>>This was pre-powerbait.
>>
>>-- 
>>+============================================================================++
>>| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
>>| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
>>+============================================================================++

>Interestingly enough, the use of corn as bait is prohibited in some
>states. I'm not sure what the reason is, but I'm guessing that it has
>something to do the fact that corn kernels fall to the bottom, the
>trout ingest them, and the kernels do a number on their digestive
>tract. I know either Maine or Rhode Island have prohibited corn in the
>past
>although it may be legal now. Anyway, check the regs before using!

OK, this is a question tha I asked many years ago of my father, and
here's what we found

>-- 
>Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
>DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
>8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
>508-435-4567
From: jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Redfish and Hurricane Andrew
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:59:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

test


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Just Wondering, was: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:27:41 GMT

|> In article <9cpP02of1f5R01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:
|> 
|>    Trout:
|> 
|>       * fight a lot harder per pound
|> 

I'd like some opinion from anglers who catch both trout and bass.  
I catch a bass or two occasionally, but alas I have not caught a 
trout since my boyhood salmon-egg dunking days when I lived in 
the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.  The question is, do trout fight 
alot harder than largemouth?  I guess you would have to fight them 
on the same tackle to make this judgement; you cannot compare a   
45 second fight to land a 6# bass using 14# test line on a 5-1/2ft
heavy baitcasting outfit to a 10 minute fight required to land a 
6# trout using flexible 8ft fly-rod with a 4# tippet.  I have seen 
(on the Flyfishing Video Magazine T.V. show) giant Soviet salmon 
easily wanked to shore in short-order using 9wt rods with 10# 
leaders.

I don't intend to fan the flames in the *my fish is better than your 
fish* war, but I guess that would be interesting too...

BTW, I have been fresh water striper fishing once and caught 4, the 
largest weighing 18#.  I was disappointed in how easy they were to 
land using eagle-claw live bait rods and 12# test 
(this was early in the spring when the water was in the high 60's).  
Is the reputation these fish have for fighting undeserved?  
Can no creature rival the flathead?

			-Pat.
From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Making Lures (was Palmered hackle?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

Somebody mentioned...

"Try tying flies.  It's really a lot of fun, and not very hard.  Just takes
a little patience to get started, plus it helps to have a friend show you
a few simple techniques."

Does making blufish plugs from pieces of old broom handels, steel wire
and huge Jaw-Breaker hooks count as fly tying?  :-)   (Just kidding
around)


BJK
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:15:41 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Sep01.191400.80775@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
|In article <Xjl-AAC@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
|>
|>I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
|>are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
|>SKI's. 
|
|Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
|compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
|Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
|fishing line!
 
Add another to the list for "Nuke the Jetskiers Foundation".  Waterskiers
will usually just fly on by,  unless you happen snag the skier by the bathing
suit with a treble hook.  Jetskiers on the other hand will do figure eights
in front of you and then hang around and jump the wakes they've created.
In my experience many jetskiers seem to have no regard for how others might
want to use the same waterway.

And then there was the time we were fishing a fairly quiet cove at a local
reservoir that rents boats with outboard motors.  We found a nice spot and
within a few minutes both of us hooked a nice size planter trout.  A minute
later a couple of teenage girls came blasting into the cove weaving back
and forth.  They went to the end and then turned around and came blasting 
back through about the time their first wake settled.  The got about 50 
feet past us they somehow managed to kill the engine.  The spent the next
15 minutes trying to start the motor as they jumped around in the bottom of
the aluminum boat and drifting into the cove.  As they got right in front
of us they said, "Can you help us?".  We looked at each other and just said,
"No.  I don't think so."  They continued to drift into the cove and a couple
of minutes late came blasting out of the cove again.  We didn't get another
bite in that spot for an hour.


-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:27:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


One basic law of human nature seems to be:                 

  Folks just love to fight; if they can't find a common enemy, they'll 
  settle for each other.

Enough of this crap, already! 

1 - Fisherfolk have plenty of common foes, we don't need to bash each other.

2 - The best fishing is whatever kind you're doing at the time.

3 - The kind of fishing a person does mostly depends a good deal on where
    he/she lives and what kind of fishing is available there.

4 - If we all thought the same about fish and fishing, can you imagine the 
    size of the line tangle we would create?

Bryan

=============================================================================
Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.
              It is much more important than that!
=============================================================================
Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many men go fishing all their lives without 
Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.
bc@col.hp.com             |                                         - thoreau
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing