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From: bill.dehaan@rose.com (bill dehaan)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:03:02 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-22-92 21:55
Michael S. Schiffer writes:

MS>I vaguely recall a Judah Maccabee coming out of one of DC's "lets have
MS>superheroes from other countries" fits, but I may be just conflating
MS>Seraph with the character from Nexus for no known reason.

Actually, you're right. Judah was raised in a barn by a group of  Rabbis
after Dave was sent to the prison camp. Once, when Horatio showed up  at
a Christmas party dressed as Santa, Judah showed up with a (arrgh!  what
are  those  seven  stick  candles  called?),  and  wished everyone Happy
Channakah (sp?).

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From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:06:03 GMT
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danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:

>That's all I know. I'd appreciate any info to make the list more 
>complete.

Moon Knight is Jewish, and his father is a rabbi, in a totally random
retcon toward the end of his first solo series.

Isn't Fathom of the Elementals Jewish?

As somebody may have noted, Judah Macabee (from Nexus) is Jewish.
-- 
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``It takes a man months and months to reconcile himself to a new hat.  And
  just when you're preparing to send it to the jumble sale, he says, `That's
  rather a nice hat you've got on, where did you get it?' ''
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow we
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.003021.10129@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Actually, Denny O'Neill came up with a good way to scale back Supe's powers, 
>and it *was* permanent...until another editor took over.  He had an 
>experimental reactor transform all kryptonite into lead, making it harmless.  
>However, due to a side effect of the accident, an energy double of Supes 
>began to form, which siphoned his power.

Actually, it was an inhabitant of another dimension (Quarrm) which began to
become a double of Supes. The post-Crisis version of this storyline is due
out soon, done by Walt Simonson as a Special (was to be an annual of a few 
years ago, but stuff happened).

"The dirty dogs! I'll clean up the whole pack! But first, I'll disguise myself
with these spare Clark Kent glassses I always carry in my cape in case Superboy
needs them!  Hmm...I'll need a new name, too!" --Krypto (Hey, I'd be fooled if
my dog suddenly started wearing my spare glasses and responded to a different
name...) 
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Brett Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:06:17 GMT
 <22JUL92.11915485.0047@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <22JUL92.11915485.0047@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, J3SF@UNB.CA (J3SF000 (The
Marshalls)) says:

[mass deletion]

>Speaking as a good comics snob, here are my recommendations:  HATE,
>EIGHTBALL, XENOZOIC TALES, anything by Eisner, SANDMAN (barely),
>CONCRETE, ZOT!, CEREBUS, LOVE & ROCKETS, TALES OF THE BEANWORLD
>and other truly _worthwhile_ comics.  Only CEREBUS and L&R could be
>even remotely accused of taking a long time to complete a storyline,
>and only HATE could be remotely accused of "swiping" from R. Crumb
>(not so much visually as for the type of story involved).  AMERICAN
>SPLENDOR is great too.
>
>Scott Marshall
>On Commission

    Speaking of Tales of the Beanworld, does ANYONE know what's up with
that title?  It's by far my favorite, but I haven't seen anything about
it in quite a while.  I think the last issue I was able to get my hands
on was #19, and that was over a year ago.  None of the comic shop people
I've talked to have any idea.  Is Larry Marder putting it out at all
anymore?  Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Brett Rogers
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Conan queries
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:35:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul22.180652.28063@tamsun.tamu.edu> jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis) writes:

+>In article <KAUTZ.92Jul21174718@pushpakam.research.nj.att.com> kautz@research.att.com writes:
+>>Anyone have a list of all the Conan books with artwork by Barry Smith?

	He did most of 1-24 of the Conan book (1-14 almost for certain).
Gil Kane did perhaps 15-19 (or some amount of issues in that range).

	Smith did a conan tryout story in an obscure horror book called
Chamber of Darkness before the conan series started.

	He also probably did some work on the B&W conan magazines
(Savage Sword of Conan and maybe Savage tales), but I cannot give
any issue numbers.


+>>Also, years ago Marvel put out a special oversize Conan book, all
+>>artwork by Smith, but reprinted in color for the first time.  The
+>>pages were reproduced larger than the original size and were quite
+>>striking; one story, I recall, was "Red Nails".  Anyone know exactly
+>>what this book was called, if there was ever a followup, and where I
+>>might be able to buy a copy?

	This is probably a marvel treasury edition. (#4 I think)
These were huge, oversized reprint books.  These are difficult to
find because many retailers don't like them because of their size.  
The best place to find one would probably be at a comics shop that
has a large stock of 70's stuff or a large comics show.  Even then
its going to be hit and miss. 


	There were other Conan Treasury editions, but I don't remember
the contents.  More recently Marvel did some reprints of early Conan
work under the title "Conan Saga" in a B&W Magazine format.



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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:46:20 GMT

In article <22JUL92.11915485.0047@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "J3SF000 (The Marshalls)" <J3SF@UNB.CA> writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.190235.20425@uwm.edu> buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul17.222820.20467@rice.edu> yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen) writes:
> >>I have just take up collecting comic books. So far I like
> >>the ones produced by Image like Spawn and Savage Dragon.
> >>I was wondering if anyone can suggest to me other comics that
> >>they find interesting. I am mostly interested in the newer
> >>comics with issues less than #10. Any help would be
> >>appreciated.

Given your tastes, I'd suggest the following:

- Image comics is publishing several books with the same general style
  as these two.  They're just starting so all their books are still in
  the beginning.

- Marvel comics has some books in the same vein.  You may want to check out
  rec.arts.comics.xbooks.

[Conty realizes that everyone else in the newsgroup is giving him odd looks]

So he likes flashy books with lots of action and no plot.  <shrug>
So shoot me for being nice to him.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:15:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

In Nexus (soon to be revived by Dark Horse!), Judah ("Hammer of God") and 
his father Dave are Jewish.

Also, in DC's Suicide Squad, there was a story line involving a whole
team of Israeli superheros, including a computer-based intelligence
called Dybbuk.  I recall Dybbuk finding a mate on the net.  "She seems
like a nice Jewish program," said the leader of the Israeli team.

And let's not forget Herbie Popnecker!   (Although I don't recall
there being any storylines where Herbie undergoes crises of conscience
on encountering non-kosher lollypops...)


--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems   Mountain View, Calif.
  

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From: hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu (Luke Hankins)
Subject: harbinger #0
Organization: Swarthmore College, PA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:13:50 GMT


DOes anyone kknow if they moved up the acceptance date for the coupons
or if they will accept them a few days late?
-morgan hankins
-- 
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:29:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.173709.3571@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>What issues are reprinted in trade paperback form?
>I believe "Love and Death" reprints issues #28-34

Correct, plus Annual 2
>but what about another TPB titled "Saga of the Swamp Thing"?

21-27, the first Moore was 20, but mostly tied up the previous Pasko storyline,
with a little bit of a setup for Moore's run.  (This should probably go in
the FAQ).

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Quick, Chas --- to the Piss-upmobile!"
   --- Kit (Hellblazer)
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:54:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.222820.20467@rice.edu>, yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen) writes:
> 
> I have just take up collecting comic books. So far I like
> the ones produced by Image like Spawn and Savage Dragon.
> I was wondering if anyone can suggest to me other comics that
> they find interesting. I am mostly interested in the newer
> comics with issues less than #10. Any help would be
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> Frank Chen
> yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu
> 
> 
> P.S. Does anyone have a #1 issue of Youngblood for sale?
 
Heh heh.

Youngblood:  Gives a whole new meaning to the term, "Limited Series."

Hope you have on your asbestos longjammies,
Kevvy Kev
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw )
Subject: Re: Give Galactus "HIS" due
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:05:16 GMT

In article <Bs5xyu.8Lo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:
>In article <l7ddp6INN83t@male.EBay.Sun.COM> laker@eb5ts2.EBay.Sun.COM (Brian McInerney) writes:
>>
>>
>Interesting idea, but unfortunately, this is a too close reflection between
>what Dr. Doom does.  In a retcon which I will never forgive Marvel for, they,
>in one issue, showed all the times Doom was acting like a putz, and getting 
>beaten by the _Punisher,_ he was in reality a Doombot.  Whenever they "stopped"
>Doom, it was a Doombot.  In FF 350 (I think), they revealed the REAL Doom
>really doesn't give a fig about the Earth, but came back to tweak Reed's 
>nose once more.  And he was cool.  Tres.  However, with the return of DeF*cko
>as writer, this incredibly interesting storyline was swept under the rug.
>I'm pretty sure the real Doom is still out there, trying to get that Nullifyer
>back.
>
>-- 

Are you referring to FF #348, where the "real" Doom shows up and 
deprograms Kristoff? I have over 150 Dr. Doom comics and I was never
able to figure out when the real Doom was supposed to have disappeared. 
I have the Excalibur issues that explain where the "real" Doom's shiny
silver armor came from, but there is no explaining how this Doom
was unaware that Kristoff had been errously activated. In FF #348
Doom acts as though he has been gone a long time and is surprised that
Kristoff has taken over, but in FF #319 when Doom goes to the
Beyonder to get back his missing memory, he mentions that he is "in a 
war to the death .. with Kristoff". Surely the Beyonder would have
noticed if this was not the REAL Doom, and surely he would have said
something to that effect. Also, a robot Doom would not be able to
use the cosmic cube to get back missing memory, because this memory
was from when Doom's mind was in someone else's body. Any comments on this
would be greatly appreciated, as I am a big Doc Doom fan, and am somewhat
irritated with thisdangling storyline that makes NO sense!

-pmm

















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From: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Subject: Re: Crisis = uncreative writers
Originator: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<1992Jul23.003021.10129@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Jul24.124845.29387@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Jul30.043822.12166@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:57:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.043822.12166@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe) writes:
   That's what really bothers me about all of this post-crisis shit. 
   Rather than being creative, they are rehashing all of the old story
   stuff and trying to pack an exciting twist in them.  Bah!  Humbug!
   I really don't want to see another story explaining how a new
   guy who resembles one of Supes old foes suddenly crops up and turns
   to a life of crime.  Can't anyone be creative and create a new
   villain that can take a place in Supes' Rogues Gallery Hall of Fame
   and isn't wiped out immediately by the big Red Cheese?

Two points:

I agree whole-heartedly about this.  In particular, it's always
bothered me that we have met *no* Superman opponents from before
SUPERMAN v. II #1 except Luthor.  Toyman, Parasite, Mxyzptlk,
Brainiac, Terra-man:  everyone showed up after then.  As I recall, MAN
OF STEEL (the mini-series introducing the post-Crisis Supes) covered
several years of his career.  What did he do, other than try to catch
Luthor with his hands dirty; catch bank robbers?  While I can
understand the desire to *not* give characters unseen pasts, there
are options.  During MOS, they could have simply showed us a page with
several characters Supes had encountered.  Even now, they could do a
flashback story....
-- 
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Selina Kyle / Wonder Woman confusion in "Dark Knight Returns" ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <OTTO.92Jul26040009@gawain.jyu.fi> otto@gawain.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:

>All thru "Dark Knight Returns" we keep seeing these familiar figures from
>Batmans past.  The one I haven't really figured out is why the proprietor
>of Kyle Escorts, Selina Kyle, who as far as I know used to be the Catwoman,
>ends up hogtied dressed up as Wonder Woman by Joker.

Remember that Selina was originally a high-priced hooker -- it's implied in
DKR that she's returned to this profession (in fact, I think she's stated
to be running an "escort service" -- but it's been a while since I've read
it. 

Anyway, such a service may well offer ladies dressed as Diana, etc.


		He's got a mask that's black and white
		  Mine's just black but that's all right
		In silence and cunning he plies his trade
		  I ply mine in silence and shade
		[. . .]
		In the heart of the city it's murder time
		  It ain't no crime to kill a mime
			-- "Killing a Mime" by Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Superman DIES ???????????
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.201048.3332@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul30.192519.3010@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul29.183720.10380@rdg.dec.com> boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) writes:
> >>>I've seen at least 2 articles saying that Superman is going to die.
> >>Neil Gaiman was talking about this when he visited Oxford a few months 
> >>back: his death will be another DC-Universe-shaker, like Invasion and
> >>Millenium, and like those, be all back to normal in a couple of months.
> >Wunnerful, now DC has a perfect opportunity to cross SuperDuperman into
> >both Hellblazer and Sandman.  If I weren't such a cynic I'd say "no way",
> >but you know the head honchos are trying to think of a way to say "way!".
> 
> I doubt it.  Hellblazer and Sandman are both "mature titles".  Just
> as Green Arrow, Sandman, etc. were not included in Armageddon 2001
> or Eclipso -- the younger audience would not be encouraged to pick
> up titles they otherwise wouldn't/couldn't buy.

Sorry,

But Green Arrow actually was in the Eclipso mess.  Check out his annual.  I've
successfully managed to block Aramageddon 2001 from my memory, so I can't 
remember exactly who was involved (thankfully), but I'm pretty sure that 
DC is nowhere near as organized/concerned as you seem to think.  Anybody else
aggravated by all this Eclipso nonsense?

Kevvy Kev

* Prediction: In 19?? the Anti-Monitor will reappear.  However, *
* Superman will trick him into saying "Rotinom-Itna" and every- *
* thing will go back to where it was before the CRISIS.         *
*  -Bruce T. Smith                                              *
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: A Shade more
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:35:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.162520.5781@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> 
>> As far as I understand it, the current series of Shade is not set within the
>> mainstream DC continuity.
>
>        So, then what you're saying is, is that there are *two* Shades running
>around?  The Ditko version who we saw in the Suicide Squad, and the Ditko
>inspired, Milligan creation version the we all know and love?  Tell me if I
>got that right.
>
No, you ain't got that right :*)  Only one Shade these days, the one we know
and love.  But knowing DC, the one from the SS will come back to haunt us,
eventually.  At the moment, though, he no longer exists, and the Milligan
Shade is thankfully disconnected from the DC Uni-verse.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Give your ears to the Four Dead Crew doin' the Bratrap!"
   --- Rick Veitch
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:59:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.194150.6748@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> grimm@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Jerry Michael Grimm) writes:
>
>Hmm, it been a while since I've seen any info requests for
>Swapthing on the subject line.
>
>Wasn't Swapthing a character created by Alan Moore just after his
>success with Watchmen, while hawking either jeans or sneekers on
>the Beeb?
>
>I didn't pay much attention, but wasn't the premise that it was an
>angst-ridden secondhand-store owner, who discovers that an apparently
>old toaster is actually a futuristic time-shfit/space-shift device which
>can alos alter molecular composition.  I think I remember seeing a scene
>where his power accicdentally activates in a diner, and thinking about
>how cheesy the grill scene was.

Actually, Swapthing was once a fellow netter, who refused to post to r.a.c.
marketplace.  One day he went too far, posting a car ad, and was engulfed
in flames.  He ran screaming thru the nearby drugstore and into a local
Thrift Store.  As a result of the ensuing explosion he was transmogrified into
--- the Swapthing (imagine eerily wavering font).  But this was before the
Mooremeister got a hold of him.  Swapthing discovered that he was really
a bargain basement elemental, defender of the underground economy, and
foe to price inflation wherever it rears its ugly head.  He ocassionally
takes trips into the Barter, where he communes with predecessor bargain
hunters who have since taken root in the Great Mother of Flea Markets.
His greatest enemies are those who have descended into the Designer,
for whom no price is too high.  He lives in a Garage Sale in West Chicago,
with his wife Thrifty and his daughter Sweetdeal.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
..........................................................................
"Sit the hell down clean your ears and listen, the Love Butcher gonna rock
   your soul!"
     --- Brain Dead Sound Machine
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