From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:05:27 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr14123220@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr14.060810.25881@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <JIME.92Apr13112338@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # Transfer to where?  You support the uprooting of a people from their
# >   # homes, and deportation to a land foreign to them?

# >	   It is not a pleasant situation.  However transfer is much better
# >   than everyone LITERALLY killing each other.  Do not give me any of
# >   this nonsense about peace.  Anyone who takes a reasoned, rational
# >   approach to this situation will see that peace is impossible without
# >   divine intervention, and eventually there will be a ful scale civil
# >   war.
 
# War is never a reasoned, rational approach.

	In a vacuum perhaps.  But when the alternative is worse, it is
very rational.

# Forced deportation of the
# Palestinians from their homes is an essentially racist action,

	Why is it racist?  Even if you claim it to be wrong, they would be
deported because they are a threat (and if they agreed to not be a
threat, they would not have to be deported), not because of their
race.

# equivalent to what happened to the Jews in Russia (when they were
# deported to the Pale),

	It is not equivalent.  The Jews were not a threat.

# Spain (when they were just deported),

	It is not equivalent.  The Jews were not a threat.

# and
# Germany (when they were deported in advance of the Holocaust).

	The Jews were not a threat here either.  However, I would like to
thank you for bringing this up since it supports my argument. aThe
Jews would have been a lot better off deported than what happened
(although neither should have had to happen).

# I am
# surprised that you prefer it to peace.
 
	Wrong.  I prefer peace.  It is just for so many reasons (hatred,
the status of Jerusalem - there are a lot more), peace is impossible.

# >   # When that happens
# >   # to the Jews, it is usually decried.

# >	   The Jews were not in conflict with those that deported them.
# >   However, deportations certainly would have been preferable to pogroms
# >   and massacres.
 
# And even better would be to address the root of the problem, racism.
# That is what is drove the pogroms and the deportations.
 
	While it may have been better, it would have been totally
unrealistic to try.  It never would have happened then.

# >   # When it happens to the Arabs, you
# >   # support it.  Why?

# >	   There have been several of these types of things done this century
# >   to save lives.  The world accepted it because it was the lessor of two
# >   evils.  But when it involves Jews, you reject it.  Why?
 
# Please list the other examples of forced mass deportation in this
# century, and I will comment on them too.
 
	Here are just some of the ones I am aware of (I am sure there are
more).  After World War 2, Checklosvakia expelled every single ethnic
German.  Greece and Tukey have exchanged populations, as have Indiaand
Pakistan.  These deportations were forced in order to prevent
bloodshed.  It would have been better not to have to deport them.  But
the alternative, massive bloodshed, was worse.

# >   # It is against the Geneva Convention, anyway.

# >	   It may be against the Geneva Convention.  However, if it is
# >   The Jews  necessary to violate the Geneva Convention to protect
# >   lives, then so be it and we ought to change the Geneva COnvention.
 
# No, you wish to change the Geneva Convention only because it disagrees
# with your final solution to the Palestinian problem.

	You are an imbicile.  Deportations are necessary to PREVENT a
"final solution" for BOTH SIDES!

# Certainly if it
# were the Arabs agitating to deport the Jews, you would find solace in
# the Geneva Convention's injunctions against deportation.

	Nope.  I WISH THEY WOULD DEPORT ALL THEIR JEWS (with the possible
exception of Morrocco).  As it is, they hold their Jews hostage and
will not let them leave.
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David Makowsky
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