HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: (The Real) LATEST REPORT ON PATRIOTS
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:39:18 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr7.032758.20713@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>The Zionist controlled world does it again.
>
>arf

Arf,

I signed a petition on soc.culture.jewish not to respond to your posts
in hope that you would go away and keep your anti-Semitic shit out of
that news group.

Your quote above could have come from B-CPU, which is a front for
propaganda from anti-Semitic white-supremicist organizations.  

I know that many of the white-supremicists are located out West where
B-CPU is, but I must say, bARF, that you are a disgrace to Chicago.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ERIC PERLIMAN,  WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE YOU CLAIM
Summary: John Elghani is a complete liar, has no concept of ethics (VERY
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:15:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr16.171525.16594
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I apologize to the net in advance for the extreme length of this message
(443 lines).  Unfortunately, last evening's inane message by John
Elghani necessitates the response below.  

In article <1992Apr15.195917.2412156@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>You claim to have posted an evidence, but where is it.  I never saw it.

This is a lie, Elghani, and you know it.  I also told you the same thing
when you sent me this message interspersed with an email response of
mine in email.  You've seen my evidence, and you ignore it.  Here, for
the fifth time, is the evidence which refutes completely your challenge.

Before I begin, I should add that the article I emailed him was my
original response, which follows.

		# 	Begin First Quoted Message 	#
	
From boulder!qso.Colorado.EDU!perlman Sun Mar  1 21:14:02 MST 1992
Article: 24597 of talk.politics.mideast
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Colonel Ghadaffi
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:29:32 GMT

Since Libya's ruler Gahdaffi is back in the headlines again, maybe it is
appropriate to post a quote of his from 1969, taken from Mohammed
Heickal's book "The Road to Ramadan" (p. 76):

"..On one occasion when Nasser was outlining to him the relative strengths
of the Arabs and Israel in tanks, aircraft, and so on, Gahdaffi burst in:
'No, no: we should go straight to an overall war and liquidate Israel".

Anyone knows of more recent quotes?

-Danny Keren.

 



Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: 1967 War
Keywords: gulf of aqaba
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:24:49 GMT

	A few weeks ago, a poster on tpm said that Nasser offered to put
the control of the Strait of Tiran/Gulf of Aqaba on trial in an 
international court, but Israel refused.  I would really appreciate it
if someone could confirm or deny this and give me documented references
so I can use this in my research.  Thanks in advance.

							-Manu
-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            

Do unto others before they do unto you.
I'd rather be in Paris than here.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (3rd)
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.091731.3043@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>In article 6219@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM, bobc@ash.swdc.stratus.com (Robert Christ) writes:

>>Go back to where you came from... we don't need you.  We have enough bigots
>>here already.  If you don't like this country why are you here?  Go back
>>to your homeland.  Oh, I forgot... the Islam world is in it's Dark Age
>>you can't get a quality education back home.  But think about it... if you
>>go back home you won't need an education.
>
>Like you said, we have enough bigots here already.

Seconded. I didn't even see this the first time it came around. Robert,
those of us who are looking for peace do not need idiots like you throw-
ing this kind of garbage around. You're someone I am ashamed to be on
the same side of the issue with.

>Brendan.

	-Nora
-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:42:51 GMT

In article 5558@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU, 
        ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun) writes:
>I think the article above is an invaluable peace of information.
>It is quite long, but it tells you to what extent the media and
>consequently the brains of many generations are almost unnoticeably
>controlled by a concentrated minority of Jews.

I strongly disagree with your assessment of the "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?"
article.  It is just a carefully screened selection of "facts"
without regard to context, statistical significance or honest
analysis.  All in all, just a house of cards.  Having said that... 

>When i was in the United States (1986-1991) i was always perplexed
>by the general (not always publically manifested) attitude implying
>that arabs in most cases belong to a certain well defined category
>of people. ``You don't look like an arab'' was the most frequent reaction
>i used to get when first introduced to people.  ``As if arabs could be
>classified or categorised in one single shot'', i used to think. Soon i
>learnt that the idea does not affect appearance only, but it extends to
>behaviour, way of thinking, mentality and quality of attitude. In many
>cases i used to get this astonished face, as if what i'm doing is not
>part of the common expectations.

The first time I lived in the US (1980-3) I was very often struck by 
the negative (I'll say it: RACIST) way that Arabs were portrayed in 
the media, especially the television media.  With uncommon exceptions,
the major TV networks only recognised the existence of two classes
of Arabs: (1) terrorists, (2) filthy rich.   I think the situation
has improved somewhat since then, but it has a long way to go.

>[...much deleted...]

>George Hassoun

Brendan.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Death Squads in Occupied Territories
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.184528.25183@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> bjag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:

>Since Israel is the governmental authority in the West Bank and Gaza, it is
>the Israeli responsibility to prevent the killing of all residents of the
>area, whoever the murderers are. It's a shame that Israel's doing its job
>so badly.

Since you don't want Israel to be the governmental authority there, for
reasons having nothing to do with how good or bad a job they're doing at
it, what are you complaining about if Israel stays clear and lets the
locals administer themselves?

>In the same way, Palestinians cannot be held responsible because some
>Palestinians chose to murder each other. Israelis, on the other hand, are
>responsible for the actions of the government they elect. 

They have an organization they claim is tantamount to a government, in
that they want it to be included in the U.N., local peace negotiations
between national governments, etc. If that organization kills people, it
had better be prepared to be held as responsible as any government, if
it intends to get any respect or acknowledgement at all. You can't play
it both ways. Take your choice. Then stand by it.

>Bharathi Jagadeesh/bjag@nwu.edu

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: How to post an article from the news media.
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:53:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Apr9.145308.28492
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr9.000119.2176@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam
Shostack) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.164308.11653@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
(Brad Hernlem) writes:
> 
> >TROOPS KILL THREE IN WEST BANK
> 
> >OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, March 29 (Agencies) 
> 
>  [43 lines deleted]
> 
> >[Arab News, March 30, 1992]
> 
> This is was article written by Arab News reporters, based on data from
> Agencies.  It would be more honest to quote it as being from the Arab
> News, based on wire service reports.  no news wire calls Jerusalem
> Occupied Jerusalem.
> 
> An order of magnatude worse is Ralph Winstons postings from "The Daily
> Northwestern" ads.  It is a decietful use of a tag line, please stop
> doing it.
> 
> Adam
> 
> Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu
> 
> What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
> at all.  How true that is.      

How would you like me to edit these articles so that they are more
suitable to your sensibilities? I have transcribed this article as it
appeared in the source and then listed the source at the end of my
posting. Jerusalem is indeed occupied territory and the majority of the
world does not recognize its annexation by Israel; many consider the
seizure of the western portion of the city by Israel to be illegal, as
well. If this is the worst that the reporters at the Arab News have done
it pales in comparison to the work of some of these very same wire
services and the newspaper editors in the "West". Just recently, I
noticed several sources reporting on the celebration of International
Qods Day referred to this as International "Jerusalem" Day (actually I
did not see a single Western source use the word "Qods" anywhere). Was
this any different? Was this deceitful?

Brad Hernlem 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.history,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: TO RALPH WINSTON
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:27:23 GMT

>>> anti-Semitism, anti-male or anti-white rhetoric ("All men are rapists"
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> "All white people are evil"), etc. etc. Perhaps my perspective is
>>> different because I am Canadian.
>>
>>     I agree with you 100% on that!  Good post.
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>                                Ralph Winston
>>
>>-.-
>>Banished CPU (etc. etc.)

What is Banished CPU?
From: RPR1ZAK@TECHNION.BITNET (Uri Zakai)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: 4 Killed/80 Wounded in Rafah Camp
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:31:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: TECHNION.92097.105605RPR1ZAK
 <1992Apr2.204114.17574@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Apr3.162404.2446@ncsu.edu>
Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.

In article <1992Apr3.162404.2446@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad
Hernlem) says:
>
>It is not clear from the sources I have seen exactly how many were
>wounded but it appears to have been a great number. The BBC clearly
>stated that U.N. sources reported "much indiscriminate gun-fire". I have
>seen no other source which put it that way but the large number of
>wounded people would seem to indicate this, if nothing else.
>
>Brad Hernlem

i wonder ?
did any of you know that on the same day (thu) an israeli force in gaza was
attacked by four clothed face terrorists ?
or that in chan-yunes shots were fired at an israeli patrol ?

btw im sure you all saw that the un talked about the tragedy that happened
in rafah were 4 were killed ... im sure you also saw the discussion about
the incident that happend the next day - when three gaza residents were
dragged into a mosque by clothed faced criminals and butcherd infront of
an amazed crowed ... oh you didnt i wonder why .
after all in both cases palestinians were killed

uri zakai
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Even *more* responses from. . . .Ralph
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:15:14 GMT

In article 23120@midway.uchicago.edu, gross@befvax.uchicago.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.050934.5000@newshost.anu.edu.au>, bdm@anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) writes:
>>In article 57295@cup.portal.com, Paktor@cup.portal.com (David L Paktor) writes:
>>>
>>>In article:  <1992Apr4.033710.4665@midway.uchicago.edu>
>>>Nazis regard Arabs as "untermenschen", too.
>>
>>This is true.  It is interesting to note that the Nazis found the
>>Mufti acceptable because they thought (from his appearance?) that
>>he had Causcasian or Aryan blood which "enables us to expect from
>>[him] the faithfulness of an ally of which pure Arab blood would
>>be incapable".  See p263, 315 of L. Hirszowicz, The Third Reich and
>>the Arab East".
>>
>>>[...more deleted by bdm..]
>>>David
>>
>>Brendan.
>
>I posted earlier that the Arabs were considered by some Nazis to
>be 'honorary Aryans' because they were allies.  It was from one of
>the books that I referred to earlier, and I could find the source
>if anybody wants.

One has to distinguish between public pronouncements and private 
feelings.  Given the Nazi intention of invading the Middle East,
it was their clear interest to cultivate an Arab alliance and they
could hardly do that if they announced their real views about the
racial standing of Arabs.   From page 315 of the book referenced
above we have:

   "... not only the Jews, but the peoples of Asia and Africa 
   generally occupied a very low rung in Hitler's racial ladder.
   A contemptuous attitude to the Arabs, aversion to their
   character and political behaviour, disbelief in their state-forming
   capacity and their loyalty as allies are expressed by many 
   statements of German leaders and officials.  Only a few Arab 
   politicians, chiefly Hajj Amin el-Huseini, were regarded as
   exceptions, owing to their alleged part-Aryan descent.  Whatever
   the promises made to the Arabs---and there were not many even of
   them---the Germans never for a moment doubted that the Arabs would
   remain dependent and dominated by European masters after the Nazi
   total victory."

Many other books I have read support that general assessment. 

>Leon Gross

Brendan.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jordan is Palestine
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:36:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Apr17.005041.23148@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>In article <2809@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>
>>Or I kiss your hand 1000 times. (And only if you use Channel #5 Pour
>>Monsieur).  :)
>
>	How about Egoiste?  Uhh, by the way, Chanel #5 is for women, and
>is different than Pour Monsieur.  :)
>
What about Egoiste?  Is that something you personally designed?  I happen
to know that Chanel (thanks for the correction) makes cologne for men, and I am
almost positive that it is #5.

Anisa

	"From a distance there is harmony, and it echos throughout
	the land.  And its the hope of hopes, its the love of loves,
	its the heart of every man.  Its the hope of hopes, its the
	love of loves.  This is the song of every man."

		"From A Distance" B.Midler


>Do unto others before they do unto you.
>"The future of the Arabs of Palestine was sacrificed to Egyptian politics"
>						-Sir John Bagot Glubb

What happened to:  "I'd rather be in Paris than here"?  No one sent you
plane fare?

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: How Occupied Is Jerusalem?
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:10:52 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <2810@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.231148.22032@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Thanks for that last qualifier... they are not the same. With any luck,
>>we will get rid of Ariel Sharon this spring.
>
>Luck?  Need any help?

I'd love it, but given where you're posting from, you're not likely to 
be capable of giving the kind of help I'm looking for any more than I am.
I'm hoping for something nice and mild, like a Labor government, for the
moment, and major election reform down the road... I don't wish Sharon
harm; I just want to see him out of the Housing department and back
someplace where he knows what he's doing... he was quite a good general,
I hear, but he does have this tendency to think he is still fighting a
war with settlements as his weapons, and this is not an attitude I find
politically prudent, let alone ethically acceptable.

>-Anisa

-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid To Israel?????
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:18:01 GMT

In article <dfs.702826521@data> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Apr08.165203.192872@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar
>Mohammed) writes:
>
>>Well, Israel is harboring suspects in the terrorist killing of Alex 
>>Odeh, ADC founder.  I don't know if the U.S. has requested extradition
>>yet, but don't the U.S. and Israel have an extradition treaty?
>
>Someone on the news group about 1.5 years ago said that the suspects
>in the Odeh case are believed to be in the West Bank, and that for the
>U.S. to request extradition would be tantamount to recognizing
>Israel's sovereignty over the WB.  I must admit it sounds doubtful to
>me, but that could be the reason.


ARF says:

It sounds a lot like the reason we do not lean on them for their
nuke program.  It would be admiting that they are violatioj

violating our laws rega]Ogding regarding foreign aid to nuk

to nuke proliferators.  Israel is breaking our laws and we should deny
them foreign aid so to keep it flowing, we make believe we don't really
know.

arf
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: More shelling of Lebanese villages
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:55:49 GMT
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University


ANOTHER ISRAELI SOLDIER KILLED IN LEBANON CLASH

BEIRUT, April 7 (DPA) -- An Israeli soldier was killed and several
wounded today in a clash with Muslim militiamen on the edge of Israeli
occupied security zone in eastern Lebanon.

A spokesman for the Islamic Resistance, the military arm of the
Hezbollah, said the soldiers were on patrol when they were intercepted
by the resistance on a hill. 

Following the clash, Israeli artillery and gunners of Israel's surrogate
militia, the South Lebanon Army pounded parts of the Bekaa Valley,
inflicting damage and casualties.

Israeli gunners have been shelling Muslim villages adjacent to the
'security zone' since last night in retaliation for a Hezbollah attack
on an Israeli motorcade which killed two soldiers.

Israeli intelligence units fanned across the villages today and rounded
up hundreds of residents suspected of collaborating with yesterday's attackers.

The sudden escalation in violence on the border prompted thousands of
residents to flee, seeking safety in Beirut and the north of Lebanon.

The festive mood which usually prevails in the southern Lebanese town of
Nabatieh during Eid Al-Fitr was disrupted today by an uneasy calm.

The crowds of Muslim families who normally escape the hustle of Beirut
to spend Eid Al-Fitr in the south remained absent from the Nabatieh
area, sited close to the border with Israel.

The children of southern Lebanon were not even allowed to buy fire
crackers and celebrate the Eid as they usually do.

"We want to be able to distinguish real explosions of Israeli artillery
from the thuds of fireworks," said Munthir Hajj, 40, a father of three
children. The anxiety came to the backdrop of fears that the Jewish
neighbors might be planning to cross the border at any moment.

Hezbollah said yesterday's attack was in response to the killing in
February of its secretary-general, Sheikh Abbas Mousawi, by Israeli forces.

[Arab News, April 8, 1992]

*******

It sounds like the Lebanese could use a "security zone" in Israeli to
relieve themselves of the almost daily pounding of their villages by the
Israelis and the rounding up of their friends, neighbors, and relatives.
I wonder when was the last time that Israelis had to flee by the
thousands from their homes because of bombardment from Lebanon? Is there
any wonder why Israel will not allow U.N. peacekeeping forces in there
zone of occupation?

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: B-CPU Mail Path
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:18:43 GMT

Earlier, "Ralph Winston" asseted that B-CPU had no mail connectivity to
the network.  In fact, he was lying - my test message got through.  Here's
the header of the reply from the B-CPU sysop:

> From b-cpu!maynard@agora.rain.com  Sat Apr  4 02:37:46 1992
> Return-Path: <b-cpu!maynard@agora.rain.com>
> Received: from previous.rain.com by doe.carleton.ca (4.0/SMI-4.0)
> 	id AA28645; Sat, 4 Apr 92 02:37:46 EST
> Received: by previous.rain.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4)
> 	id <m0lX5KO-00007dC@previous.rain.com>; Fri, 3 Apr 92 23:38 PST
> Received: by agora.rain.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.6)
> 	id <m0lX0s4-0001IGC@agora.rain.com>; Fri, 3 Apr 92 21:52 EST
> Received: by b-cpu.UUCP (1.64/waf)
> 	via UUCP; Fri, 03 Apr 92 18:15:12 PST
> 	for dfs@doe.carleton.ca
> To: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
> Subject: Re: Test
> From: b-cpu!maynard (Maynard)
> Comments: Hear doze KWAYZIE sounds!
> Message-Id: <1FPoiB3w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>
> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 18:15:11 PST
> In-Reply-To: <9203312008.AA10158@pulaski.doe.carleton.ca>
> Organization: Banished CPU, +1(503) 232-6566
> Status: OR

So, if you want to bounce Ralphie's articles back at him (not that I recommend
it, no, never! :-)), don't use the "Reply" feature of your news reader - it
won't work.  Instead, mail the words of wisdom to:

	agora.rain.com!b-cpu!ralphw        or
	b-cpu!ralphw@agora.rain.com        or
	b-cpu!maynard@agora.rain.com

Happy connectivity!  And may the best flooding algorithm win. :-)

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
From: 22387IA@MSU
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: ARAFAT PLANE MISSING
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:51:24 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Radio Montecarlo reports that Yasser Arafat airplane is missing and that
it might have crashed in the Sahara desert, in Lybia.  Four Lybian aircrafts
are currently searching for it
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