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From: urban@SIDESHOW.JPL.NASA.GOV (Michael Urban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Recalled for Defects
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:09:00 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Your message dated: 16 Aug 92 18:15:47 PDT
> 
> Rick ... a hard-working 
> prince of a fellow, with good ideas (the Multi-Conlang 
> Dictionary, as just one for-instance -- and shall I mention 
> the "Journal of Planned Languages", which in my opinion 
> represents a sorely-needed resource for the conlang 
> community?)...

Back in college, I jokingly suggested that I (or someone) should write
a Loglan-Elvish dictionary.  A friend warned me not to, because if I
did, 500 years from now some archaeologist would find it and take it
as evidence that the two cultures had come into contact.

	Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [internacia okazo] Re: Olimpikaj Ludoj
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: inet
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:44:28 GMT


     Mi pensas (afis^is antau' kelkaj jaroj), ke en internaicaj okazoj,
ni uzas Esperanton.  Ni konsentu, ke "Esperantaj literoj" estas "universalaj".
Do, ni skribas "C^inlando"-n, "Japanlando"-n, kaj aliajn.  Cetere, oni
anoncas la punktojn (?) ankau en Esperanto, do, pri Shannon Miller
(au' S^anon Miler), nau' punkto ses, pri Tatiana Goutsou (au' Taciana Gucu?),
nau' punkto kvin, kaj simile plu.

						*Zhong* Qi-Iao
From: slootman@EVS2.UIA.AC.BE (Wim Slootmans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Interlingua?
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:56:24 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

>> ...  You'll reach a receptive audience; I've seen lots of stuff posted
>> here about other planned languages, and for the most part it's been quite
>> well-received.
>
> This is an interesting observation.  It seems to me that one of the
> signs of Esperanto's current strength is that its speakers no longer
> feel threatened in any way by other planned languages. ...

Why should we?  As I see it, which might be wrong of course, the first
Esperanto clubs (during late 19th century) were founded by small groups
of intelligentia, who were fond of the idea of an international
language, but who still had to decide which one they would learn.
Remember that one of the first Esperanto-clubs was created by a
Volapukist-club, whose members all together switched to Esperanto.
(1889 in Nurnburg or something like that??)

There was great danger that this first pioneers, with the same ease
would switch to another language-project.  And yes, some did during the
ido-split.  But then also a lot remained with Esperanto.  And as such
the esperanto-mouvement grew and grew. Communication facilities also
grew, so clubs got linked by postal services, magazines, phone, and even
computer.  And now esperanto-mouvement no longer can be seen as a
project in the heads of intelligentia, who as easily as they did with
E'o could start sustaining an other language-project.  NO, it is a real,
used and working language for inter-human communication, AND, bad luck
for who regrets it, will keep on living as long as it is used for that
purpose by hundreds of thousands of people.  So, it will at least
survive for a couple of generations.

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| Wim Slootmans       elektrona posxto: slootmans@uia.ac.be       |
| Antverpeno, Belgio                    slootmans@banuia51.bitnet |
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| MsN: "Vi plibeli^gas kiam vi ridas"  :-) :-) :-)                |
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From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: The ino of the species
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:57:16 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <920816150339_72627.2647_DHJ48-3@CompuServe.COM> 72627.2647@compuserve.com (Don HARLOW) writes:
>Right now, -IC^- and -AB- are the most popular candidates.  (May I 
>take this opportunity to propose -ANG-, by analogy with yIN and 
>yANG?)

I think it's reasonable to add a suffix for masculinizing roots -- it
causes little morphological damage to the language, and adds
expressiveness by making possible gender-unimportant remarks.  The most
frequently suggested suffix, -ic^-, grates on me, though: it "feels" too
close to the pejorative -ac^-, so that "filic^o" has a built-in negative
connotation for me.  This uneasiness might go away after a few years of
looking at it, but if others have the same problem it would be a bad idea
to use it.  I haven't heard -ab- mentioned before, but don't have any
corresponding prejudice against it.  I also have no objection to -ang-,
and the symmetry is cute.  (Zamenhof didn't have anything against cuteness:
viz. "bovo" and "bovino".)

>                                                 Nuntempe, la plej
>sxatataj kandatoj sxajne estas -ICx- kaj -AB-. (Cxu mi rajtas kapti 
>la okazon por proponi -ANG-, analogie kun jINo kaj jANGo?)

Mi opinias ke aldonado de alia sufikso por virigi radikvortojn estas
racia, c^ar g^i kau^zas malgrandan morfologian malutilecon al la lingvo,
kaj aldonas esprimplenecon per ebligi seksum-malgravajn rimarkojn.  La
plej ofte sugestita sufikso, -ic^-, g^enas min: mi sentas g^in esti
proksima al la ac^iga sufikso -ac^-, tiel ke por mi havas "filic^o"
denaske ac^an signifon.  Tio c^i g^enateco eble forig^us post kelkaj
jaroj, sed se aliuj havas la saman problemon, estus malbona ideo g^in uzi.
G^is nun mi ne au^dis iun uzi -ab-, sed mi ne havas ian similan
antau^jug^on kontrau^ g^i.  Ankau^ mi ne kontrau^as la uzadon de -ang-,
kaj la simetrio estas plac^a.  (Zamenhof ne estis kontrau^ plac^eco: vidu
la vortojn "bovo" kaj "bovino".)

-- 
	Jim Gillogly
	jim@rand.org
From: xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Recalled for Defects
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:28:13 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <920816221546_72627.2647_DHJ52-2@CompuServe.COM> 72627.2647@compuserve.com (Don HARLOW) writes:

>_You're_ the guy who typed those lines about a conspiracy 
>to keep this essay off the net? And then _you're_ the guy who 
>urged Ron Hale-Evans not to post it to s.c.e.? And this latter 
>despite your desire (with which I can easily sympathize) for 
>"maximum agitational effect"?

>Don't you notice some sort of inconsistency there?

>Maybe we can blame it on the full moon. (Any police department 
>in the nation can tell you what kind of effect _that_ can have on a 
>person's behavior.)

Actually, Don...

Many studies have been done on the effect of the full moon on criminal
behavior as well as accident reports and even scores at ballgames, and
no correlation was ever shown to exist between a full moon and increased
(or decreased) aggressiveness...  So, this isn't a good excuse for the good
Doctor...

>=============================================
>Don HARLOW                                Redaktoro Esperanto U.S.A.
>tel. (1 510) 222 0187
>CompuServe [72627,2647]
>Internet 72627.2647@compuserve.com

>"To discipline Esperantists is to eat soup with chopsticks."
>                                                          Confucius
>=============================================

---Xeno (Gary) Snethen
From: 72627.2647@compuserve.com (Don HARLOW)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: [Anglolingvo/English] easy to learn
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:56:15 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

To: Esperanto >INTERNET:esperanto@rand.org

Dato: 920816

Steve Brewer, answering Bruce Gilson:

>I often wondered why the Ido split proved to be so devisive --
>it seemed to me that the players might have found a more accomodating
>path.  For example, if the idists had decided to simply continue to
>call their language Esperanto, then it seemed to me that their changes
>might have had a chance of surviving.

As so often happens, the problems with the Ido split were less 
linguistic than social. Not only was the split so badly and baldly 
prearranged by the French creators of Ido that it alienated most 
Esperanto speakers who were familiar with it, but Couturat's 
ultimatum to the Lingva Komitato had such a short time limit 
on it that no reply could be given by the due date. The whole 
affair was so obnoxious that even Otto Jespersen, who had (in 
all innocence) wholeheartedly committed himself to the matter 
threatened to quit if Couturat's and de Beaufront's chicanery was 
not made public (he only found out about it because Couturat 
mislabelled a letter). This is why, even today, Esperantists feel a 
hostility to Ido that they don't feel toward, for example, Occidental, 
a language based on a linguistic and social philosophy far more 
alien to that of most Esperanto speakers than that of Ido, but a 
language which was also honestly and openly created by a former 
Esperantist.

=============================================
Don HARLOW                                Redaktoro Esperanto U.S.A.
tel. (1 510) 222 0187
CompuServe [72627,2647]
Internet 72627.2647@compuserve.com

"To discipline Esperantists is to eat soup with chopsticks."
                                                          Confucius
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From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Exclusive club, Ha!
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:04:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.120928.1515@sol.cs.wmich.edu> brewer@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Steve Brewer) writes:
...
>Firstly, being an esperantist is not the same as being a member of UEA.
>Anyone who is willing to express an interest in Esperanto is welcomed
>into the society of esperantists.  
>
	This is true in my case.  For odd personal reasons, I feel
	profoundly uncomfortable as a member of anything.  I much 
	prefer to be myself when I meet people.  So I rarely join 
	clubs, and I have let my membership lapse in those I have 
	joined.   My contact with Esperantists is through conversation 
	circles and the net.  Although I recently had a problem when I 
	realized what I thought was a conversation circle was actually 
	a club meeting.  I stopped going because I thought it was tacky 
	for a non-paying person to attend.  (The membership cost is 
	trivial, I am just not a joiner.)

	Tiu estas mia sperto.  Por miaj propraj strangaj kialoj, mi
	spertas profundan malkomforton se mi estus ano de io ajn.  Mi
	ege preferas esti sola homo kiam mi enkontras aliulojn.  Do, mi
	malofte klubanigxas, kaj mi lasis ke miaj maloftaj anecoj mortis.  
	Mia kontakto kun Esperantujo estas per konversaciaj cirkloj kaj
	la reto.  Kvankam mi jxus havis problemon kiam mi komprenis ke
	kion mi kredis esti konversacia grupo fakte estas kluba kunveno.
	I cxesis cxeesti cxar mi kredas ke estas malgxentila por ne-paganta
	homo cxessti.  (La kosto de membreco ne estas kara, sed mi ne 
	estas anigxanto de iu ajn organizo.)
--
------
"I've always thought of Boston traffic as Brownian motion with
evil intent."  -- Don Coolidge coolidge@speaker.sgi.com
From: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison)
Subject: Esperanto
Reply-To: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:39:01 GMT

 
The essay "The Major Defects of Esperanto" is anonymous.
I typed it into my computer because I agreed to help the
author typeset it and publish it as a brochure.  Although
I did tack on the first 4 lines and transmit the text to
the con(structed)-lang(uages) forum -- on the night of the
full moon, for maximum agitational effect -- I urged Ron
Hale-Evans _not_ to post it to soc.culture.esperanto.
While the Conlang group is devoted to a rigorous discussion
of the merits and defects of various planned languages,
I realize that s.c.e is not accustomed to the same,
how shall I say it, _intensity_ of debate.
 
I do agree with many of the technical criticisms in the
article; however, I have not yet seen a planned language
that is technically perfect or 100 percent free of
inconsistencies.  If you dig deeply enough into any
conlang proposal, you will find at least one irregularity
or staggeringly irrational feature.

======================
Rick Harrison
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:53:39 GMT

In article <9208130420.AA04511@.next1.cs.ukans.edu.> skinner@next1.cs.ukans.edu ("David E. Skinner") writes:
>
>I'm sorry but the docs on this group do NOT give the full address for the
>list-server.  Please get me off this list. Please also send more clear
>instructions on how others can unsubscribe from this group.  Tonnes of other
>people are in the same situation and I think it must be annoying to keep
>getting these type of messages on your group.


Send unsubscribe to esperanto-request@rand.org


Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: [language] using Esperanto in international event
Followup-To: soc.culture.esperanto,rec.sport.olympics
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<92214.105606U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Aug15.161038.27396@uwm.edu>
	<1992Aug22.214913.21153@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:48:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.214913.21153@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:


	I suggest Esperanto be used together with the local language in
   international events like Olympics.

I believe that Esperanto was the third language among Olympic hosts
and hostesses at the Montreal Olympiad.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
From: LAWCROWN@NUSVM.bitnet (Barry Crown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: [Anglolingvo/English] easy to learn English?
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:13:02 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:45:26 SST

Lars Mathiesen writes:
>[I]n the constructed language Novial, any noun that can take a gender
>marking (presumably, any noun denoting a person) has _three_ forms: -o
>is male, -a is female, and -e is both/neither/unknown. (Other nouns
>can end in -o or -a without implication of gender, and often do when
>that makes them look more like their ``ancestor'' in some European
>language.)
>
>Of course, the inventor (Jespersen) was a linguist, and furthermore,
>he actually seems to have tried to learn from the decades of criticism
>directed at Esperanto and its earlier followers --- so his language is
>not very typical of its kind.

Actually, Novial is a good example of a point I tried to make in
another posting, i.e. that the early detractors of Esperanto argued that
it was "unnatural", whereas today we can see that what they really meant
was that it was "un-European".

Jespersen argued that the Esperanto system of counting numbers was unnatural
and confusing.  The Esperanto form for "twenty" is "dudek", which is literally
"two-ten".  The word for "thirteen" is "dek tri", which is literally
"ten-three".  Jespersen felt that this system could lead to confusion in
phrases such as "dudek tri" (23).  This could be misheard as "2, 10, 3" or
"20, 3" or "2, 13"  To avoid this potential risk of confusion, he introduced
in Novial separate forms for the numbers "twenty", "thirty" etc.

Jespersen was indeed a linguist, and I believe that he was quite famous in
his time.  However, he seems to have been totally ignorant of Chinese.  The
Chinese use exactly the same system of counting numbers as the Esperantists,
without showing any signs of confusion.

Barry Crown
National University of Singapore
From: KNAPPEN@VKPMZJ.KPH.UNI-MAINZ.DE (J%org Knappen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Interlingua?
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:32:51 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:26 GMT +0100

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Hello,

I know a little bit about interlingua (the one invented by Gode 1951) -- 
there were other interlinguae (Peano about 1900, occidental/interlingue in 
the 20s).

I don't have the material here, but this I can tell you from my mind:

It is purposefully constructed to be ,,standard average european'' (SAE), 
which means a language based on modern romance (Spanish, italian, 
portuguese, french, with contributions from english and german). It looks 
like corrupted spanish to me, and is understandable like written spanish.

It borrows all irregularities the modern romance languages have, like stem 
alternations (ager/action), multiple meanings of one affix (-or), multiple 
affixes for one meaning (-essa, -dad, -tudo, ...). You cannot use the 
affixes productively but you have to look up the right form in a dictonary.
(veritudo or veressa are just wrong :-( ).

However, there exists some interlingua community, mainly in western europe 
and latin america. Interlingua was used sometimes as abstract language for 
scientific abstracts in the 60s.

Yours, J"org Knappen.

PS. For constructed languages other than esperanto, conlang is a better 
forum. To subscribe, send a polite request (it is handled by a human :-) to
conlang-request@buphy.bu.edu
From: urban@COBRA.JPL.NASA.GOV
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Interlingua?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:00:43 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Your message dated: Thu, 20 Aug 92 09:39:19 PST
> ...  You'll reach a receptive audience; I've seen lots of stuff posted
> here about other planned languages, and for the most part it's been quite
> well-received.

This is an interesting observation.  It seems to me that one of the
signs of Esperanto's current strength is that its speakers no longer
feel threatened in any way by other planned languages -- in fact, many
Esperantists think that it's `kind of neat' to also know a smattering
about Interlingua, Neo, Uni, Glosa, Loglan, or -- yes -- even Ido.  

(lingva demando: kiel oni tradukus la usonismon `neat' kiel mi uzas
gxin cxi-supre?  Cxu eble `bravete'?)

	Mike
From: 72627.2647@compuserve.com (Don HARLOW)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Olimpikaj Ludoj
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:44:37 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

To: Esperanto >INTERNET:esperanto@rand.org

Dato: 920817

HOTTA Hirohiko, pri Olimpikaj ludoj:

>En la olimikaj ludoj kreskas komercismo. 
>Rilate al tio stranga afero okazis.
>Chin-ideograma skribo sur uniformo de chinaj 
>ludantoj estis malpermesita.
>(Japanaj ludantoj emas surhavi anglan landnomon "Japan". 
>Pro tio la malpermeso ne donis japanojn. -- feliche au mal- )

>La organizanto diras ke oni ne povas rekoni, 
>chu la ideogramoj estas komercaj reklamoj auh ne.

>Chu nur latinaj literoj estas universalaj?

Ecx la logiko estas stulta! Se oni ecx ne povas rekoni, cxu 
la ideogramoj estas komercaj reklamoj, cxu ne ... ili certe ne 
povas utili kiel komercaj reklamoj, do kial malpermesi ilin? 
Kiu malsagxulo estis tiu "organizanto", kiu malpermesis?

=============================================
Don HARLOW                                Redaktoro Esperanto U.S.A.
tel. (1 510) 222 0187
CompuServe [72627,2647]
Internet 72627.2647@compuserve.com

"To discipline Esperantists is to eat soup with chopsticks."
                                                          Confucius
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: moriaud@gvanet.geo.dec.com (Jean-Charles Moriaud)
Subject: Learning Esperanto? Books wanted.
Reply-To: Jean-Charles.Moriaud@geo.mts.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., IS Telecom
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:53:24 GMT



Hello,

I'd like and advice about the best books that are
available to learn Esperanto. I don't mind if they
are in english but would be better in French!

Thanks in advance,
Jean-Charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: ederveen@research.ptt.nl (Ederveen D.)
Subject: Re: Komputilaj katalogoj de Esperanto-literaturo
Reply-To: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:22:10 GMT

dfkihueg@RZ.UNI-SB.DE ("Edmund Grimley-Evans") writes:

>Pro la helpema informo de Jens KARLSSON mi nun scias pri du tiaj:
>(1) "Universitaet des Saarlandes": telnet paula.rz.uni-sb.de
>(2) "University of California": telnet melvyl.ucop.edu
>Amba^u estas katalogoj de universitataj bibliotekoj. La unua enhavas
>^c. 700 Esperanto-librojn, la dua ^c. 450.
>Se iu scias pri aliaj, bonvole skribu al mi!

La biblioteko de la Universitato de Nijmegen, Nederlando, havas
almenau 232 Esperanto-titolojn. Gxi laux mia scio ne atingeblas
per Internet, sed per BITNET/EARN/SURFnet:

En VAX/VMS-masxino tajpu
set host/x29 kunt            aux
set host/x29 18802007099
Kiam ekestas konekto, tajpu 'H' kaj <Enter>.
Post la reago 'Local>', tajpu 'c kunopc<Enter>'.
Post la reago 'Session to KUNOPC established', tajpu 'H' kaj <Enter>.
Por cxesi la konekton vi reiru al la komenca ekrano per 'A', poste
vi tajpu <CtrlC>, kaj post la reago 'Local>', tajpu 'logout'.

Mi ne scias cxu estas aliaj rete atingeblaj bibliotekoj kun granda
Esperanto-kolekto. Aliaj rete libere atingeblaj bibliotekoj en Nederlando
estas la universitataj bibliotekoj de Open Universiteit, Utrecht, Amsterdam.
-de
From: MATCK@MVS.UDAC.UU.SE (Christer Kiselman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: estis Re: Ido-Vivo, nun amindumaj bestoj
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:33:40 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:47 CET

La (tre) neformala angla frazo "is coming into" ne povas esti
"^spruci spermon en". Devas esti "^sprucigi spermon en", pro
la netransitiveco de la verbo ^spruci.
   C. O. Kiselman
From: 72627.2647@compuserve.com (Don HARLOW)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: A word for "Idist", Bertrand
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:00:21 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

To: Esperanto >INTERNET:esperanto@rand.org

Dato: 920816

Bruce Gilson on Ido:

>Pierre Jelenc says "Ido is dead/"
>Then how come I get Ido-Vivo in the
>mail three times a year?

Sounds like a personal problem to me, Bruce.

(Or is it the fault of the U.S. Postal Service -- eighty-five years 
late and a megafranc short?)

=============================================
Don HARLOW                                Redaktoro Esperanto U.S.A.
tel. (1 510) 222 0187
CompuServe [72627,2647]
Internet 72627.2647@compuserve.com

"To discipline Esperantists is to eat soup with chopsticks."
                                                          Confucius
=============================================
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:29:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Esperanto speaking women, having a problem finding a man who can 
speak Esperanto?  I am about to launch a free electronic matching 
service on Usenet.  Thanks to the imbalance of men to women on 
Usenet, more guys than gals have expressed an interest so far.  If 
you would like to see the fifth draft of my questionnaire so we can 
alter it to also fit women's needs as well as men's, either send me 
mail or look at the copy I posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 280 men and 155 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto