HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NEC detectors, (CalTrain, too?)
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:18:53 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

This sounds like an interesting aspect of railroad operation!?

Can anyone tell me the locations and frequencys of such detectors on
the San Francisco Peninsula CalTrain commuter run?  Thanks!

Rick

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Subject: Re: DC fare collection method (was: Others vs BART)
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:52:56 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
> > > I've always found the DC fare collection system to be pleasant and ef-
> > > ficient, and would like to know more about its `mistakes'.
> >
> > One is the fact that if your ticket doesn't have enough value left to get
> > you out at your destination, you have to bring it up to *exactly* the 
> > right amount, using a special "Addfare" vending machine.  I think it would 
> > have been far better if they just let you add arbitrary value to the 
> > ticket ...
> 
> If that suggestion was followed, then it would be possible to keep using
> the same ticket indefinitely.  Two things would then go wrong.  It would
> wear out, and it would run out of spaces to print the "remaining value".

That's a complete non sequitur.  When the ticket is out of spaces, the ma-
chine could eat it and issue a new one.  I believe that's what the machines
outside the paid area do if you try to add value when there's no room left.
In fact, I seem to recall that when the system opened, that's what happened
*any* time you added value to an existing ticket - and that re-issuing the
same ticket was a later refinement.  Anybody know for sure?

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From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Cost of transit systems vs highways
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <57495@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
|> I have no objection to those who want a carless city to build it with their
|> own money--no tax money.  You will find few people with initiative who would
|> be willing to travel only when the government allows them.  Real estate values
|> would be low, as few wish to live in rabbit warrens.
|> 
Hmmm.  I walk all about San Francisco whenever I want to.  For me
it is a carless city.  Only when I have to go to from one extreme
to the other do I use a car.  I use MUNI as a convenience only.

Later,
George


-- 
To fathom hell, or soar angelic, take a pinch of psychedelic.
				Dr. Osmond
From: FBCB@IUNSYS.IUN.INDIANA.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: More ATSF CW's, SD 70's
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:34:24 GMT

Delivery of CW's is in full swing with two more units on ELSF in Lake Station,
on Wednesday, the 12th. The train had a Conrail lead, two blue/yellow
units, followed by 8?? and 858. I was unable to get the numbers since
the train came as I was driving on the interstate, but I did get 858.

Speaking of GE, I have a report from the DOW JONES wire, in the WALL
STREET JOURNAL, of a railfan detained in the CP Rail yard near LaGrange,
IL, whete testing of the new SD 70's is taking place. After some thorough
investigation, the railfan was found to be an employee of GE, who is
very interested in the SD 70, built by GM.

Dave Chary
fbcb@iunsys.iun.indiana.edu
From: salfi@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Mike Salfi)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: British Columbia Railroad
Summary: And they run steam
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:31:45 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

In article <14349@mindlink.bc.ca>, Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:

> > Ron Coleman writes:
> > 
> > Is anyone out there knowledgable about the BCR (British Columbia
> > Railroad)?  I'm trying to find out some info about their operations

> This is a fantastic company...I wish I worked for them.  They are making lots
> of money, they deal with the train crews in a fair way, and are a dynamic
> company in general.  One of the few government-owned entities that the old
> Social Credit government did not sell off (privatize) since they make money
> regularly!

Not only Steve's comments but they also run regular passanger and, of interest
to "Steam" fans, another passanger (tourist) service between North Vancouver
and Squamish B.C. using ex CP Royal Hudson Steam Engine #2860 and several
beautifully maintained coaches. I know they have ex CP smooth side lightweight
coaches and also think they have heavyweight coaches as well (I just can't
remember)....Steve?
You can even take this train to Squamish and return to North Vancouver by boat
if you wish.

Mike Salfi
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From: CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: VIA Montreal-Windsor (was Re: VIA's excellent...)
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:42:53 GMT

In article <92230.140055IACECO@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IACECO@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I have enjoyed reading the discussion on VIA and wanted to ask another VIA-
>related question( and can't figure out how to send a new note).   I plan to
>travel from Montreal to Windsor next month and wanted to know is it worth the
>extra money to travel any or all of it 1st class?   I also don't know how much
>extra it is yet since it's not so easy to find out anything about Canadian rail
> travel in Phoenix, Az.   I also plan on going from Sarnia - Montreal and if
>there's anything noteworthy about that, I'd love to know also.   Thanks.

The 1st class fare from Montreal to Windsor is $157 (Canadian).  The
full coach fare is $107.  If you buy your tickets at least 5 days
in advance and don't travel Friday or Sunday, you can get a coach
seat for $64.  The number of discount tickets is limited.

This trip will involve two trains, Montreal-Toronto
and Toronto-Windsor.  Travelling first class gets you full-course
meals, free booze, seats with more leg room (though I find coach seats
quite adequate), and a private lounge in the stations in Montreal
and Toronto.

The Montreal-Windsor and Sarnia-Montreal trips will be over the same
route between Montreal and Toronto, but the routes are almost
completely different between Toronto and Windsor/Sarnia, except for a
short stretch around London.  The Toronto-Windsor line is the former
Great Western, while Toronto-Sarnia is on the former Grand Trunk.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

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From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Restroom Closings on Amtrak (Was: My Amtrak Vacation)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:26:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.131543.2288@tellab5.tellabs.com>, dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy) writes:
|> trains I don't think is a high priority.  If you look at the number
|> of trains plus people you can see it's hardly a big problem.  We are
|> still talking human waste which does decompose rather quickly.
[...]
|> I think we have to get our priorities in order in many places in the
|> country and this is one of them.  Just my .02

I agree.

I am amazed at how bent out of shape some people get over a little
poo-poo here and there.  Remember, this "problem" is no worse than
pets that routinely defacate/urinate on lawns, parks and sidewalks.
Why is human waste any more dangerous/unacceptable than that of
animals that we keep in and around our homes and farms?  Just like
with any other "manure", human waste is biodegradable and when dropped
randomly out the bottom of moving trains is likely to be pretty thinly
dispersed along a private railroad right of way and is rendered largely
harmless/unoffensive within a matter of hours.  In the scheme of things
this is more a cosmetic/esthetic issue than a health issue.  Just
because it's *human* poo-poo some people freak out about it.

The quantity of waste material we're talking about here is miniscule
when the amount of right of way and number of fecal-matter-containing
toilet flushes per mile you get is considered.

C'mon folks!  The amount of "airplay" this issue gets with some people
you'd think they eat off the ballast of our railroads or something.
If it were such a big deal I'd expect the maintenance of way types to
make the biggest stink (so to speak) about it.  

The most serious problem I see in all this is the issue of toilet use
in stations.  This, to me, would be the main/best reason for going to
full retention toilets.  Afterall, the accumulation of stuff from
trainloads of people sitting in a station could make for a rather
unesthetic sight/smell after a while.  But then again, I haven't
really noticed that it's too bad a problem even in European railroad
stations with orders of magnitude more trains than most any US depot
has (yes, and these trains had "direct-dump" toilets--but then the
bathrooms all had signs forbidding toilet use during a station stop too).

-- 

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From: jadams@vixen.uucp (26070-adams)
Subject: Re: Comparing other systems to BART
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:50:06 GMT
Summary: Washington METRO

In article <166h5uINNshh@agate.berkeley.edu>, lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro) writes:
> Is the BART fare collection system unique to the BART system?
> ...(stuff deleted)..." I was wondering which
> other systems use the BART method.
I believe that Washington METRO uses exactly the same system, supplied by
the same manufacturer (I looked into this about 10 years ago for a
business project I was working on).

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Subject: <None>
From: finney@husc3.harvard.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:38:54 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hi,
   Anyone here know about the Lamoille Valley RR in Morrisville,
VT?  We're planning a trip to Lake Champlain and would like to 
include a visit to a RR for the fans in the family. Is this a
steam train? I guess the Green Valley in Bellows Falls is diesel
now, eh? Any information is appreciated.
                          Thanks in advance,
                            Cynthia Finney
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Fresno CA trip
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:43:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Gregory Scott writes:
> 
> ....steel tanks, about the shape of tanks used by milk or gasoline trucks,
> built into frames that appeared to be the same size as a Sea/Land-type
> container.  This looks like a great way to ship small liquid loads
> without using tank cars.
> 


These have been in service for quite some time...though they are not used too
often.

A new idea that alters these types of containers is called a "GrainTainer".  CP
is experimenting shipping small amounts of special grain with them.


--

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 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []     CP Rail - Cascade Sub
 The Great White North in      []
 Vancouver, BC CANADA          []   Opinions are mine, NOT CP's
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Restroom Closings on Amtrak (Was: My Amtrak Vacation)
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:24:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

Derek Morgan <C31801IE@WUVMD> writes:
> I believe that Amtrak has the installation of holding tanks as a high pri-
> ority for its fleet overhaul. As cars go in, they are being retrofitted. 
> This also means that slumbercoaches will disappear, since there's no way to 
> add holding tanks for 22 (?) rooms.

Why?  By that reasoning, every bathroom in a house would have to have its own
septic tank or sewer connection.

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Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, Massachusetts 01776 ** 508-443-3265
From: forags@yogi.berkeley.edu (Al Stangenberger)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Excursion San Jose - LA Sept 12-13
Date: 21 Aug 1992 16:29:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Forestry & Res. Mgt.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: yogi.berkeley.edu
Keywords: SP2472

In article <1992Aug21.150828.12981@wdl.loral.com> gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:
>In article <170hu4INN6ii@agate.berkeley.edu> forags@yogi.berkeley.edu (Al Stangenberger) writes:
>>The Golden Gate Railroad Museum is sponsoring a steam excursion from San Jose,
>>CA to Los Angeles.  The train will depart on the morning of Saturday, Sept. 12,
>>1992, make an overnight stop in San Luis Obispo, and arrive in Los Angeles in
>>the afternoon of Sunday, Sept. 13.  Tickets may be purchased for the entire
>>2-day trip, or for either one-day segment.
>>

>>This is only a one-way trip [anybody know what else 2472 will be doing in
>>LA?].

>>For further info:  Golden Gate Railroad Museum
>>                   P.O. Box 3315
>>                   Redwood CIty, CA 94064
>>
>>Phone:             1-800-949-2472

>Will there be a return trip? If so when and do you have any details?

The announcement I received did not mention a return trip, and stressed that
return transport was the passenger's responsibility.  


-- 
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: Snoqualmie        , WA Train Yard?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.132334.1@max.u.washington.edu>
daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
 
>BTW, I don't remember which railroad the line originally was...either
>Milwalkie Road, Grand Trunk, or Northern Pacific, I think.  I'll check
 
It was the Milwaukee Road.  Grand Trunk in WA?!?? - Never happened, sad to say!
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: VIA's excellent, Amtrak sticks bigtime
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:10:28 GMT

In article <25032@castle.ed.ac.uk> dtm@castle.ed.ac.uk (D Muxworthy) writes:
>At least four messages in the last day or two have said that the Canadian
>runs through from Vancouver to Toronto, so by Lewis Carroll's rule it must
>be true.  However in Jasper station last week there were references only
>to Vancouver - Winnipeg trains and Jasper - Prince Rupert trains.  Maybe
>the VIA staff there should be told.

There is no VIA train from Vancouver terminating in Winnipeg.  The only
train on this route is the Canadian, which continues through to Toronto.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

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From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: VIA's excellent, Amtrak sticks bigtime
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:40:01 GMT

In article <20AUG92.14066739.0081@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>I can't agree with you about this.  The VIA timetable...

I was merely trying to point out that there is a perceptive
separation of the train service between Vancouver-Winnipeg and
Winnipeg-Toronto.

Yes it is a single service and yes the separation in the timetable appears to
be for space reasons.  But as you point out, there are two very good reasons
why someone in Jasper would think of it as the Vancouver-Winnipeg train.

Old habbits die hard.


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,misc.headlines,sci.misc
Subject: Note on Newport News Wreck
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:30:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I'm curious about that Amtrak train derailment last
Wednesday in Newport News, Virginia. How far did the
train go past the switch before it derailed? The only 
news photo available to me at this time is the AP
picture that shows only the ripped-up switch, not the
train. 

The Times article said

  --vandals had set the switch to divert into the siding

  --normal speed when entering the siding: 15 mph

  --the Amtrak train's speed when it reached the switch: 79 mph

The story implies that the train made it onto the siding before
derailing, but I wonder if that would require that Newton's
laws of motion be out to lunch at the time. Do any rail buffs
know the radius of curvature of a typical entry onto a siding?
Then somebody in sci.physics could compute the forces involved.
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From: casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston)
Subject: Re: Operating READING T1 engines (was Bi-centennial steam engines?)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:57:44 GMT

In <1992Aug13.172255.10986@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (carl.a.benevit) writes:

>To change the subject... since 2101 is a cosmetic exhibit now (and a NICE
>one 8`)) that leaves only 2 T1's operating, one of which is the much
>publicised 2102 at Hamburg PA on the Blue Mountain & Reading. The other
>T1 is the 2100. The last time I saw anything on it was about 2 years
>ago. It was made operational by the 2100 corporation and had some shake-
>down runs to be done. I thought I heard that since then it had passed
>to a new controlling body. Does anyone know what's new with the 2100?
>I had hoped for a doubleheaded T1 excursion but at this point I'm not
>holding my breath.

  Last I heard the 2100 was bought by Ross Rowland.(the owner of C&O 614)
And that he was negociating with some small branch line railroads in the    
midwest to run regular schedualed steam excursions with the 614 and the 
2100. One of the roads he was talking to was the Chicago Illinois Midland.
But I have not heard anymore on this.

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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,sci.environment,ba.transportation
Subject: Re: The Rebuilding of the Wrecked West Oakland I-880 Segment
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:06:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug17.062920.23451@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)    writes...
>In article <1992Aug16.222841.23030@news.arc.nasa.gov> mcmahon@tgv.com writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug15.032831.18159@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> 
>:(about the I-880 section along Cypress in Oakland...) 
>:I suspect those folks who were forced onto other routes because of the
>:loss of I-880 will be happy to hear it's on the way back.  I doubt the
>:folks in that Oakland neighborhood will be happy, I think the area
>:looks and sounds a lot nicer without I-880 going through it.
> 
I am one who tries to navigate through the 80-980-880 junctions everyday
and it is murder. Until public transit goes everywhere in the bay,
a replacement is needed.

>	I agree. But there will be that replacement SP/Amtrak rail
>line coming through, although it will certainly not be some
>double-decker elevated structure. I'm sure that the trains, even with
>their diesel engines and their horns, will be better neighbors than
>that freeway.
> 
I've seen the area before, shortly after, and long after the earthquake.
The rail line sure won't improve the area, but there is no way that
a rail line can do to that neighborhood what the Cypress structure did.
It was UGLY. It made the whole neighborhood ugly. It isn't nice now,
but the Cypress structure seemed to eclipse the sun even when you 
weren't near it.
From: vaughnw@asia.fai.com (Vaughn Wolffe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: San Mateo County BART/SFO Resolution
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:36:04 GMT


>From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
>And perhaps your 30 years of experience has made you a bit biased
>too, eh?


You are too kind.


   Vaughn Wolffe        vaughnw@hadar.fai.com
From: teruya@amazon.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Top Ten Shrines of Western Railroading ( Was: Re: Tehachapi)
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:05:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: amazon.1992Aug20.180502.1

In article <1992Aug20.210007.15175@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.190541.7757@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger) writes:
>> 
>>      Ah, yes, Tehachapi.  One of the top ten Sacred Shrines of Western States
>> Railfandom :-).
> 
> 
> Okay, I assume that Donner Pass qualifies as one of the ten.  What are 
> the other eight?

     I don't know if I can come up with eight, but I can nominate a few.

             Keddie Wye, Feather River Canyon, Union Pacific
             California State Railroad Museum, Sacramento
             Cajon Pass, Southern Pacific-Santa Fe-Union Pacific

     I don't know how railfans would rate it, but in terms of worldwide
recognition the Cable Cars of San Francisco should go on the list.

     Colorado has some other good candidates.  Maybe the Animas Canyon on
the Durango & Silverton, the Georgetown Loop, or Glenwood Canyon, Moffatt
Tunnel, or the Royal Gorge on the D&RGW?

[rest deleted]

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>                                          FAX:  +1  919   286-1696

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