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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Jacksons' New Biographical Movie
Date: 30 Jul 1992 06:05:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul30.020341.3745@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu
(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>Actually, I think it has to be a mixture of both. I am going by the
>American definition of blackness which is : one drop of black blood
>makes someone a black person.  That can be the anthropological and
>biological foundation of blackness. The other side is the cultural
>aspect, as you pointed out. MJ is "black" in the anthropological sense
>of the word but if someone makes a conscious decision to alter his
>physical characteristics so as to look like a member of another race,
>one might as well oblige him. In other words, if you would go that far, 
>especially in the case of the USA, with it's long history of racism
>against black people, you are so *fucked* up as not to deserve to be 
>called black any longer. You are basically denying yourself and the race
>to which you belong. 

The only problem is the notion of someone with "black blood".  If by that
you mean someone whom x generations ago had an ancester brought over to the
U.S. as a slave from Africa, then you are trying to make an association
with an African population.  You are then implying that this population is
the origin of the black "race". But then there is no one population to
point to.  Only about 50 percent of all slaves came from two areas along
the west coast of Africa from Nigeria to Angola.  This is a coastline of
more than 2000 miles.  About 5 percent came from Sierra Leone 1000 miles
further west.  The geographic spread of this portion plus the remaining
half would require most of sub-Saharan Africans to be classed as a single
race.  And yet even in the most obvious trait, skin color, this is not so.
Many talk of sub-Saharan Africans as a race characterized by deeply
pigmented skin; yet the skin color of some members of this group
(San Bushmen and some Pygmies) is quite different, being yellowish.  As
with other traits, there is no one place where light skin abruptly gives
way to darkly pigmented skin.  Instead, there is a gradual variation over
the continent shown by the alteration in the frequency of one or more
traits from population to neighboring population.  This is known as a
cline and it's the approach used to study questions of human variability.
Discussion of distinct racial groups may have its place in sociology, but
in physical anthropology it is as obsolete as the flat earth theory.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:03:23 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths

As I promised, I had located the original news clipping where I 1st read
the pending legislation in PA's House of Representatives. It was posted
in a Harrisburg [Pa state capitol] newspaper . on the AP wire. Here is some
portions of the article, supplied w/ out permission from the authors.


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A proposal that would force welfare recipients to take drug tests or lose
their benefits is a "helping hand" to poor people ensnared by drug abuse,
the sponsor says.

 [....]

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Robert Flick R-Chester [county], would submit
people on cash assistance to random drig tests. Recipients who refuse tests or
test positive for drugs and turn down treatment would lose their benefits.

"Basically, it's an opportunity to try to help individuals who are on public
assistance and who have a dependency problem," said Flick. The bill is pending
in the House Health and Welfare cmte.

[....]

FLick who hasn't estimated how much it would cost to drug test clients, said
the proposal doesn't aim to cut cost. He said it would allow the state to
"reach out" to drug abusers on the welfare rolls.

Under the bill, recipients testing positive for drugs would keep their benefits
by enrolling in a rehab program. They would be tested again every 3 months for
a year as long they qualify for benefits.

The measure would allow county welfare offices to investigate drug-positive re-
cipients and take abused children into protective custody.

The only state that recently considered such a proposal was Mississippi, which
rejected the bill.... No state [in the country] has such a law [at this point].
...


The legislation is companion to welfare reform package pushed by House Republi-
cans that would limit benefits to children born into welfare, families w/ tru-
ant children, and newcomers to the state. The package also would eliminate
medical assistance benefits not mandated by the federal gov't.


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Well, that's most of the article in a nut shell. Some portions were deleted
for brevity.
                                   *
                                   * "This space wanted for a new quote."
                                   *
Fred Rozenblad-"Kickin' the 3"     *
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu                  *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:48:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul31.040721.26313@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>In <1992Jul30.204935.17832@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>
>>lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>
>>Senegal did not do that on its own. It would be just another Ethiopia
>>if AMERICA had not sent so much foreign aid over there (see 1978 and
>>1986 indexes). So I propose that we say Senegal = American colony that
>>happens to be over in the famine ridden African (in)continent.
>
>William you ignorant slut.

*I* wanted to be the reason you resort to name-calling, Larry :-)

Mc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The movie - DEEP COVER
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:05:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: v30004@vax1.cc.uakron.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 17:20:42 GMT

v30004@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Abeselom T Maasho 3460-457-801.) writes:
|I saw the movie "Deep Cover", and I really don't understand what's the
|message.  For example, the undercover cop all along was saying he does
|not drink or smoke, and then after a while he did (attitude was like
|kind of what the hell ).  Upto that point I thought movie was ok, then I
|did not get it.  Anyone care to explain?

I never got around to seeing the movie, but my *understanding* is that
the movie was about, in part, the naturally corrupting influence of
going under cover with evil.  The omnipresent question is:  "how far
must he go to maintain that cover and can he just walk away from the
changes he'll have to put himself thru to 'pretend' he's someone
else?"

Or so I've been told.  I'll end up seeing the movie when it hits
laserdisc.
--
Peace.
"Violence erupts at Los Angeles hip-hop concert--rap blamed for violence.
 Violence erupts at New York hockey game--hockey blamed for violence.
 Violence breaks out at European soccer game--soccer blamed for violence.
 Violence breaks out at nuclear peace rally--peace blamed for violence."
                                    -Ice T, Squeeze the Trigger
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
(william carter franklin) writes:

>And by the way, YOU are the name caller ..."blatent moron" I believe 
>is what you said.  How ugly.  And just because someone does not agree 
>with your backwards, narrow minded BIGOTED viewpoints.  By the way..  
>BLATANT is spelled B_L_A_T_A_N_T with another A.  Get an education.  
>THEN we will talk. 

For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
pants over someone's spelling.

Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.



-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us)
Evanston, Illinois        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cdaigle@bnr.ca (Christopher Daigle)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Distribution: bnr
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:59:08 GMT


Please ignore, this is only a test.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------
All opinions expressed are strictly my own
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 15:29:51 EDT
From: <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Jacksons' New Biographical Movie

Please help me!!!!  I was watching BET the other nigh and it was reported that
Michael Jackson had auditioned a little boy whom he thought would be perfect fo
r the role of little Michael.  The kid was WHITE!!! I know this question has be
en asked over and over, and this man is obviously beyond explanation now, but W
HAT IS WRONG WITH HIM???????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect for Jesse Jackson
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:45:35 GMT

In article <92209.045546FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>, FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> [ ... ]
> Ok.  Where all this take us?  Surely, no politicians can give us the
> economic independence we need.  We need to do it ourselves.

Excellent post.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black Neighborhood by Gerard Vignes
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:19:26 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison


     I've been asked by Gerard Vignes to post the following poem to  
s.c.a.a. (he's having trouble posting to the net this week.) The poem is  
about police presence in black neighborhoods. Please direct any comments  
or flames to him, but be advised that he will be off the net until the  
last week of August.


            Black Neighborhood

       White men sent from white neighborhoods,
       to prowl the streets in shining squad cars.

       Boss is an uptown white man,
       salary's paid by downtown businessmen,
       protection from blacks and other criminals.

       Don't know the names of people on their beat,
       just dark faces, angry, fearful, full of distrust,
       careful to keep close to the vehicle and radio,
       their only contact with a civilized world.

       Long, heavy batons ride between the seats,
       polished revolvers squeak in their holsters,
       an ill-tempered shotgun, locked down, just in case...
       a rifle with night-scope waits patiently in the trunk.

       Burst of static breaks the monotony, sighing,
       hope the shit's over by the time they get there,
       but the paperwork is still a bitch.

       Officers upholding their sworn oaths,
       To protect and serve the community.

                                Gerard Vignes
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Barkeley is an Asshole.dir
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:33:46 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <serdar.712541533@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au>, serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:
> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Jul28.181729.57585@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>   What is Charles Barkeley's problem? Is he a huge asshole, or
>>>just the most pathetic buffoon of all time.
>>    Nike seems to think this dork is HOT-Shit.           
> 
> Well, this is what you get in the free enterprise system. If Nike does indeed
> think he is HOT-shit, the market has dictated this conclusion, more than
> likely.
> 
> I hope the same people who oppose government programs to help the disadvantaged
> saying the 'market will take care of things' do not include people like yourselves
> who are 'offended' by Barkley. After all, this is hardly a life-or-death
> issue, neither is he the first public personality to offend someone.
>

   Nope I don't oppose programs to help the disadvanataged.
   Nope I don't think the market will take care of things. As a matter
 of fact I expect us to fix the problem IN SPITE OF the market's influence.

 
> By the way, why is this on soc.culture.african.american, and not in
> rec.sport.basketball.pro where the same topic is being discussed?
>

   Because, this is SOC.culture.african.american and Charles Barkeley
is part of this society, part of this culture and african american.
   Anything a black person does in public affects the relations between
people in this country and in this world and is therefore a part
of the social web within which we must all live our lives.

   Is that a good enough reason for you?
 
> Puzzled,
> 
> Serdar 
> -- 
> Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
> every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
> heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
> Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 

Peace, but not without justice,
Zip
From: ejohnson@graph.. (Liz Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:17:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In article <1992Jul25.073627.10348@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes  
Gerard M) writes:
> 	Actually, it isn't really the Democrats problem at all,
> 	in that there's almost nothing they can do about it.
> 
> 	A single political party cannot fairly represent
> 	as broad and diverse a constituency as that which
> 	the Democrats are attempting to attract.
> 
> 	The Democratic Party cannot attract southern "Bubba" voters,
> 	a large and missing segment of their original supporters,
> 	and still represent the best interests of minorities.
> 	Someone will have to give up something,
> 	and you can possibly guess who and what that might be.
> 

Agreed. Women have some of the same concerns -- which is why NOW proposed  
starting a new political party. But I guess my question was trying to get  
more specifics on what the Democrats should do to represent "the best  
interests of the minorities." 

Let me ask it another way -- if you could have a political party that  
represented your views about what America should be, what would that  
party's platform be?  I think that if change is to come in this country,  
this question is an important one for all of us. If we just keep reacting  
to what is offered to us, but have no vision as to what should be, then  
things will never change.

Thanks.
Liz Johnson
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:26:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul29.202729.1483@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>barnhart@igc.org (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>
>>Looks like the clever-boys-without-any-real-opinions club from
>>this thread.  I hereby withdraw any criticism of snot-nosed white
>>college boys who like to beat up on the other boys, specially the
>>*colored* boys, for whatever offense they can think of, even
>>spelling errors.  
>
>>There, is that better?
>
>>Sorry I wasn't timelier.  I usually read and post news from a (cheap)
>>off-Internet account because I don't have no UNC Wilmington payin my
>>hookup fees.
>
>Your ignorance shines like the Borealis. I was beating up on his
>spelling, not his person. He was attacking me "...BLATENT MORON" I 
>believe was the (s)word and I was laughing  at the fact that he
>was calling me names and misspelling the names! HAAAAHahahahahaa.
>And to top it off, he did not address any of my points.
>It's kinda like shooting somebody with a broken water pistol.
>Which is what you seem to have a hobby of doing as well. Lets see you
>argue some of the points that I have made (so I can make fun of
>your spelling too HEE hee hee :)  )....... (Blah Blah Blah)

Alright, I almost decided to hang up my s.c.a.a. days 'cause I felt I was
becoming far too wickety wack for my own good; but, realizing I'd met too
many people I'd miss, I thought long and hard and decided to return - and
keep myself out of as much as possible. It's just ironic that one of the
first posts I happened to read was written by this guy above. 

I'm back - thanks for all the nice e-mail (which I was not asking for, BTW.
Thanks all the same!).

Peace, Mc
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Olympic Gymnists
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:05:25 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <156hutINNo4l@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu  
(;;;;7202) writes:
> From the San Francisco Chronicle, July 29, 1992:
> 
> [Betty] Okino and [Dominique] Dawes captivated the crowd all evening,  
and
> they made a little history, too.  For the first time, there were two
> Afro-Americans on a United States gymnastics team.  Okino was asked  
about
> it later, and she gave a very seasoned response:  "When I came here, I
> came to compete for a country, not a race, black or white.  I consider
> myself an American, not a color."

     I understand that she's also half Rumanian.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect for Jesse Jackson
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.172047.28799@usl.edu>,
pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>In article <92209.045546FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:
>>In article <14shf4INN155@agate.berkeley.edu> Vignes Gerard M writes:
>                                              ***************
>>> Too much emphasis is given to political representation and not enough to
>>> economic power.  Black people control much of the Oakland city government,
>>> the school board and its teachers and administration.
>
.
.
Look. I think I said this several posts ago. You can have a black
face en masse in places like DC or even Oakland.  However, one's
gotta look a bit closer and try to figure out who's really black (or
colored, I mean, it goes for Hispanics, Asians, etc.) who's wearing
a mask for OTHER, possibly sinister interests.
.
Black people may "control" or "own" certain interests, but please
folks, check out what is true about what we truly "own."
.
Now, back to our program...
From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Daughters of the Dust
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:54:19 GMT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

myesha@igc.org writes:

> 
> Just saw Daughters of the Dust again on PBS.  I'm completely
> stirred up, just as I was when I first saw it.
> 
> That it is a must for all Black people is clear.  But the
> messages are so many...know ourselves, love ourselves,
> honor ourselves.
> 
> Are there others out there who've been moved?  Maybe
> I'll be better able to express myself later, but for now
> what does it do to you?
> 
> Beautiful.  A tone.  Emotional.
> 
> Myesha

   ALL of that and more ...I taped it and have looked at it now for the 
4th time...It is so rich,so full,done with such love and care. 
The old skinny lady...is a younger lady that I saw in the original
"Selma" when it was done here in L.A.  She can do anything. I have met
her talked to her ..and she is nothing like she is in the film. 
  We certainly need more of this...black people putting together small films
and telling the thousands of stories that are out there to be told. Not so
others can know more about us (although that would be great,too) but so we can 
known more about ourselves. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Franklin desist! was Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:55:57 GMT


Remember when I said (Blah Blah Blah........)...............
postings, there is always some bonehead who follows me up, but 
instead of making valid points he just whines and calls me vulgar names.
Doesn't that show that you have hit a nerve?


Well....


slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:

:) CEASE AND DESIST, already!!!!
:)
:) Mr. Franklin I have asked you nicely and I will try one last time. Please
:) refrain from posts that are baiting other people to flame you. And 
:) stop the incessant whining.
:)
:) Thanks.
:)
:) Peace, but not without justice,
:) Zip
:)
:) P.S. Other scaa readers please do not FOLLOWUP Mr. Franklin's followup.

Although you have proven my point for me, I bet you can NOT give
an example of any post that you think was written for the purpose 
stated above. My posts are written to invoke thought, something you
seem to wish to shy away from.

(And, yes, please do not follow up this follow up unless you are Zip and
you can come up with a good answer, which is unlikely.) 


Only CONCRETE EXAMPLES of your argument will do at this point...
Something your arguments usually lack. So I am NOT expecting any more
from you.
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:07:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <cbc1.712393335@Ra.MsState.Edu> cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey) writes:
>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>One, it appears to be in violation of basic constitutional rights, as if that
>>would mean anything anyway. The bill's advocates are assuming that Blacks and
>>Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on welfare.
>
>Where in the article that you posted, does the word Black show up??
>I'm tired of you people taking anything that relates to welfare, and 
              ^^^ ^^^^^^^


>automatically assuming that it means only blacks and other minorities.
>I for one saw no mention of any minorities in your original post of the 
>article.  Where is it????
>
Is this a slip on the ol' keyboard? Why not just be 'tired'?