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From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:41:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug28.234136.19978
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 4100@bcrka451.bnr.ca, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>What is to be gained by establishing differences between boys and girls?
>It appears that there is a difference between the *average* male and the
>*average* female.  But so what?  The individual differences *among* males,
>and *among* females are far greater than the differences between the 
>averages.  Why should we want to use average characteristics to limit
>our children?  Labelling "boy" characteristics and "girl" characteristics
>discourages children of the other gender from displaying these characteristics.
>We need some people who are gentle and sensitive.  We need some people who
>are bold and aggressive.  Some people like to dress up, and some people
>like to get dirty.  Let's raise our children to be *people*, and to use
>whatever innate characteristics they have to the best of their abilities.

I think that everyone agrees with that.  At least I do.  I think the
real question is "why is my little girl adopting all of these 'female'
roles when I didn't try to push her in that direction?"  Or vice versa
for boys.  Or whatever.  Yes, people should be people.  But don't be
surprised when your little boy is more agressive than you little girl.

-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:41:28 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


First, a caveat - my children are not homeschooled.  However, in my position
as Girl Scout leader, and through my husband's involvement in youth
soccer, I know of many children that are.  These children are soccer
players, Girl Scouts, gymnasts, whatever.  They aren't kept in little
cages with their parents every day.  While they may not do sports or
drama or band in a public school setting, there are many such outlets
available in the community.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"On the contrary, I have created a subroutine specifically
for you, a program within a program" - Data
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Date: 1 Sep 1992 07:27:29 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Well, I just got back from a week's vacation, and
was surprised to see some of the truly nasty
responses to my initial post.

I'd like to start by apologizing if the strident
tone of that post rubbed homeschooling proponents
the wrong way - I meant the stridency as a reflection
of my strong feelings on the subject, and not as
a personal attack on anybody, though I suppose
that's a difficult distinction.

I did get some email from some homeschoolers that
was thoughtful and provocative. Let me say that
I never believed that those who homeschool do
*not* have the best intentions for their children-
it's just that I don't agree that, in most cases,
homeschooling is best for kids or for the community.

Judy Drake said it better, and nicer, than I did, so
this will be my last 2 cents on the issue.

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Rear-facing carseats
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:16:47 GMT

In article <92239.47490.L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>I have a question.....
>
>I've noticed a lot of people talking about rear-facing carseats being put
>in the back seat.  Doesn't anybody worry that if they're driving the car
>alone, and the baby is in the back seat, facing the opposite direction, that
>they might not see something potentially dangerous occuring (like choking,
>etc.)?
>
>With my first child, I kept him in the front seat until he was in a forward
>facing carseat.  Is this significantly more dangerous than my above worry?

This of course is a common worry of people: not to be able to see if your child
is in distress in the back seat of the car. It is kind of scary, but to put it
in perspective, you are stil closer to your child, then if s/he was in another
room of your house taking a nap. When my son was small, I bought a mirrror that
sticks on to the back window, and then lines up with the rear view mirror. You
can then look into the rear view mirror and see your chiild (It only takes up
a small part of the rear view mirror). Unfortunately, it didnt work in my car
which is a hatchback. I never could get it higher then his tummy, and I didnt
find having a view of his tummy terribly reassuring. It would probably work
well with a sedan. I bought it in a local baby store, but have seen them in
catalogues. Off hand, I couldnt say which one, maybe someone else will know.

BTW, I would never give my baby anything to eat in the car when he was smaller,
to minimize the risk of choking.

If you have the baby in the front seat, you might find yourself paying too much
attention to the child, and not enough to the road, which, of course, can be
very dangerous. 

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Non-toilet trained toddler in pool
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:35:59 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <24471@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Boucher) writes:
|> About 3 months ago, our community took a vote to find out if the community
|> members would be willing to fund a baby pool for non-toilet trained
|> toddlers.  The vote came back with an overwhelming majority voting "No".
|> Most of us felt that other items before the board,such as repairing
|> the existing community pool (where toddler's are not allowed unles
|> 
|> My question is this:  The majority of the community is outraged that
|> this ruling was changed without community consent.  We need some "expert"
|> advice on what are the potential medical problems that may result from
|> exposure to urine and fecal matter which may be deposited in the pool.
|> We will be holding a community meeting (the third one in a month) to
|> try to overturn this ruling and I would appreciate any factual information

Since my husband used to work for his father who owns a pool
business, I asked him about this.

First, in all his years that he cleaned pools, he never found
fecal matter in a pool.  He said as far as the urine goes, he
wouldn't even worry about it.   He said a small home swimming
pool probably has about 20000 gallons of water.  A toddler pees
about 4 oz. of urine.  So you have about .00016% of urine in
the pool.  No big deal.  He said you should worry much more about
swimming into the 2 gallons of chlorine that your pool man puts
in the pool than the urine.

So I'd say if there's fecal matter, just get it out of the pool
and don't worry about the urine.  We'd be kidding ourselves to
think that *no one* pees in the pool!!

Leigh Ann
tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat (safety)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:46:13 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<1992Aug25.164906.13814@hemlock.cray.com>
	<26AUG199216594671@reg.triumf.ca>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <26AUG199216594671@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
 > [discussion of pros and cons of baby in front seat vs back]
 > If you're on your own with the baby, weigh this up against those
 > not-so-momentary losses of concentration when you turn around to
 > see what's the matter with baby in the back.

Better not to do this at all (turn around to look at baby, that is).
If you suspect there's something seriously wrong, your first order of
business is to pull over somewhere safe, because you certainly can't
safely take care of any serious situation while you're driving.  If
you don't have reason to suspect there's something seriously wrong,
you should keep driving and pay attention to that task.

Of course, if you're just plain incapable of paying attention to your
driving when your baby's alone in the back seat, then you're probably
right: this would be an argument for putting the baby in the front,
so your fears won't get in the way of your driving.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Wood Playsets
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:37:09 GMT

In article <LOWRY.92Sep1094332@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>
>I have a friend who looked into buying one of these things.  He
>eventually realized that for the money he was looking to spend he
>could buy himself some very nice power tools and build the thing.  I
>thought it was a pretty nice rationalization for getting something
>that he was itching to buy anyway but for which he could never before
>justify the expense.  And it worked out great.  The playset was fun
>for him to build and his daughter loves it.  Now both of them have new
>toys to play with!

That sounds great.  My husband and I decided in May that we would purchase
a swing set for our son, Brian, 3, this summer.  We looked around and
also decided to wait until his parents came to visit in June-July and then
he and his father would build a wooden set.  We bought plans and a videotape
and I prepared myself mentally.

Well, it's September now and summer here in the northwest is just about gone.
The swingset is still a dream.  His parents are long gone and not even the lumber
was purchased.  I could say "I told you so" but that wouldn't be protocol.

I've decided to purchase one next spring.  Absolutely.  And no one can
change my mind on this!


Jennifer
[sigh] married to a planner more than a doer!

BTW, I would have built it myself except that I was busy having a baby
this summer!  I just love building stuff.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:09:47 GMT
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!

In article <1992Sep1.162514.13595@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
>In article <21962@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, lev@ipxed5.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) writes:
>|> 
[ request for a.m. sickness cure ]
>
>You might try the wrist bands that people use when sailing to
>avoid sea sickness.  I've been looking all around for them,
>but you can probably purchase them at a store that sells
>sailing equipment.

Try scuba shops, too.  I just saw them being sold in a dive shop near
where I live.


---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
Quayle is like Dan Tanna's (_Vegas_) sidekick Binzer: allowed to answer
the phones but not allowed to drive the T-bird!         --- Dennis Miller
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:50:12 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

eat light light light. Eat frequently, but try eating as little fatty
food as possible.  There was a doctor (McDougall, author of the
McDougall Plan) who had a high rate of success in treating 'morning'
sickness by putting his patients on a low fat vegan diet. These
patients were 'untreatable' by any of the normal methods. (A vegan
diet is a vegetarian diet with no dairy).

Worth looking into if the morning sickness is severe.



-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (       )
Subject: Morning Sickness
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 23:41:51 GMT

>Leigh Ann writes:
>
>You might try the wrist bands that people use when sailing to
>avoid sea sickness.  I've been looking all around for them,
>but you can probably purchase them at a store that sells
>sailing equipment.
>

Hi,
  You can buy these at the pharmacy counter at any Payless Drugs
or Longs Drugs. Also, try nibbling saltine crackers while still in
bed in the morning - don't ask me why you have to stay in bed while
eating these crackers, but that's what I've been told (you're supposed
to do this for about 15 minutes)! I've also heard that keeping some
mild (non-greasy, non-spicy) food in the stomach throughout the day helps. 
In most cases, morning sickness wears off after the 3rd month, so hang 
in there!
                      Carla Moussavi
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: missy@ntmtv.bnr.ca (Missy Iaquinto)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:59:51 GMT


I feel highly qualified to speak to this issue, as my daughter, who
will be three in October ... HATES her carseat.  Always has.  What
magnifies this is that we have an hour commute one way to work 
(believe me, if we could change this, we would in a minute!).

She has a cousin who was the same way, who is now 7 years old.  She
outgrew it at about 9 months.  Kayla still hasn't :-(.  She has most
definitely improved, but still she cries.  Sometimes screaming,
sometimes merely alot of whining, and now she'll usually go at least
twenty minutes before she starts getting upset.  Occasionally we have
a day where she's fine the whole way (yay!).  Thankfully, these days 
are becoming (slowly) more frequent.

There was one period where she would scream *at the top of her lungs*
and work herself out of her carseat.  Try driving in the carpool lane 
with a screaming banshee climbing out of the carseat ... not a fun way
to spend your morning, for either of us.  

There is no magic cure, and no magic age (I kept hoping!).  I simply
learned how to drive with one hand on the wheel, and the other hand
firmly clutching the straps of her carseat-belt to prevent her from
wriggling out.  And I pulled over alot to put her back in when she managed
to get loose.  But, and I say this as though I have been awarded a
purple heart, I *never* let her ride in a car without being strapped
into her carseat.  

I know how difficult it is to ride (especially drive) in the car with
this kind of a child.  While I don't condone taking a child out of
the safety of their carseat, I can understand the frustration of 
people who do it.  I would certainly encourage any parent to stick it
out, I'd rather listen to a child screaming with frustration than a
child crying with injury.

I find it impossible, however, to sympathize with adults who won't
use carseats for children who need them because "it's a hassle" or 
"I just like to hold him/her" or "I can't afford one."  Anyone who
can afford a car and a child, can afford a carseat, or can borrow
one.  If you choose not to buckle your own seatbelt, that's one
thing.  But to expose a small child, who is unable to provide their
own safety, to that kind of danger is, IMO, a crime.  I've seen
news stories of such children, saw one paralyzed (the parents were
unharmed).

Every time I see an unrestrained child I get goose bumps, and say a
prayer.

M.
From: maka@aspen.NSA.HP.COM (Marta Kosarchyn)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:58:04 GMT
Subject: Re: meals & bottles - how to mix for a 5 month old
Organization: HP Networked Systems Architecture - Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Would you please post a summary of responses you get, Lori?  I have very
similar questions currently!

Thanks
-marta 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:32:35 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<LOWRY.92Aug25233958@rotor.watson.ibm.com>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <LOWRY.92Aug25233958@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
 >      ...  There would have to be an extraordinarily compelling
 >      reason to make such a trip; much stronger than, say, giving
 >      the grandparents a chance to see the baby.

I'd like to apologize to anybody who might have felt any pain or
disrespect from the above remark.  A little thought on my part would
have made me realize that for many people, a visit to the grandparents
might just be "extraordinarily compelling," for reasons that could be
emotionally charged.  I certainly did not intend to denigrate the
child-grandparent relationship or to minimize the needs of people for
whom such visits are important.  Given *my* family's current
situation, it was perhaps a reasonable illustration of the point I was
trying to make, but I should have been mindful of those for whom it is
not.  And of course, my family is as vulnerable as anybody's to events
that would drastically change my perspective on this.  Overall, a very
foolish remark.  I'm very sorry...
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:20:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.202134.25203@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov
(Diana Choi) wrote:
> 
> Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
> baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
> any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
> was it?
> 
> diana

We tried a walker with Zack. He scared himself going backwards and kept
bursting into tears. We decided to lower it to where he couldn't use it to
walk, but could take advantage of the tray (for cherios!) to play on. It
was really useful for that.

Susan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: trip to Disneyland with 4 year old
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Keywords: Disneyland
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:34:53 GMT

In article <78512@ut-emx.uucp> wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) writes:


>especially since my 4 1/2 year old daughter, Elizabeth, and I 
>hope to go to Disneyland!  We're going for her aunt's wedding,
>but we REALLY REALLY want to spend a day at Disneyland. 

>I'd really love suggestions from those who have gone, as to which
>things are really wonderful for a four-year-old, which things
>are mustn't-miss-so-get-in-line-first, when to arrive, how to 
>minimize costs, etc.  Can you bring in food, like in a bag, to
>reduce expenditures, or is the food really neat and part of the
>experience?   This is a once-in-a-lifetime trip to California for
>me (and her, so far :-)) and I really want to do it as well as I
>can.  What amenities do they have that maybe aren't so obvious?

>thanks for any advice you can offer --

>Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu)

Anne -

 First of all, Disneyland has a customer relations number that you can 
call, prior to your visit, to find out if they are planning on being
exceptionally busy that day.  It is (714) 999-4565.  I found this out
after I had the misfortune of planning my visit on the same day that
Disneyland had promotionals for Von's grocery, Desert Storm, and the
state of California employees (yes, all at the same time).  We waited
1.5 hours to get on the Dumbo ride, which lasts all of about 2 minutes.
 Yes, you can bring food into the park - just don't advertise it.  Almost
everyone does it.  And no, the food isn't anything great.  It's the
typical cafeteria type of food for the most part.  The "Blue Bayou" 
restaurant has pretty good food, but if you want to dine there, you'll
have to make reservations in the morning for that evening.
 There are _so_ many things for a child to see and do at Disneyland,
you'll both have a great time!  

- Cindy Windham
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: tipped uterus & getting pregnant
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:19:06 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

There's a lot of collective experience out there
so I thought I'd ask for some net.advice. 

I've got a tipped uterus. (Luckily, not from
endometreois.) And I want to have a child.
Does anyone have any advice on getting pregnant
quickly despite a tipped uterus?

Many thanks!

Brighid

brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:58:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <21439@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>
>I delivered vaginally, my last dose of Nubane was 5.5 hours before the
>birth, and I feel I "missed" my son's birth.  I keep asking my husband
>to re-tell it, since each time he adds some new detail I wasn't really
>aware of at the time.  

When I was in labor, I kept notes, because I wanted to add this all to 
the journal that I started when early on in my pregnancy.  When we made 
the decision to get a shot of Stadol, I insisted that my husband start 
taking notes, so that I wouldn't miss anything important, just in case 
I zoned out.  After the Stadol wore off (very quickly), I continued 
jotting down things as they occurred.  Finally, when I found myself 
pushing for four hours, I asked (OK, *demanded*) that my husband keep 
up the note taking.  I was too exhausted from pushing to write, and my
husband's contribution to my journal was "For some inexplicable
reason, Diane wants me to take notes on this.  All I want to do is
go to sleep!!!"  (Luckily, the epidural didn't affect my mental
abilities, so I was able to fill in the rest of the labor and
delivery experience after spending an hour with my newborn
son and his groggy father :-).  To make this relevant to the
thread...I didn't feel I missed out on anything.  If I had to do it
over again, though, I wouldn't have insisted on pushing for four
hours, since I could have pushed indefinitely and Dylan *still* would
have been bungy jumping with cord wrapped around his neck and
shoulders four times!

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: siblings playing together
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:30:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Ok, how about some advice from those of you experienced in the
sibling wars? My son (almost 4) loves to play with my daughter
(almost 7). They play together pretty well, and go to separate
activities all day, so by the time he gets home from daycare,
he really wants her attention. Last night, after playing
together for a while, my daughter decided she wanted to go 
upstairs for a while and do something else, by her self. Michael
went to follow her, and she told him to not come upstairs.
This made him cry, like he had just lost his best friend. So,
what's a parent to do? Jennifer should have time to herself when
she wants, but Michael loves to be with her. There are no
children his age nearby. Thanks for any ideas!
                                Patti Twigg