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The son of my SO has just acquired a '70 bug.  In attempting to get it smogged
it was found that the Thermostatic Air Cleaner control cable was missing.
The thing passed all smog tests except for the disconnected cable.
He got one from San Jose, CA for $40!!!! Looks like a bike brake cable.
I see where it connects to the flapper on the air cleaner, but I cant find
where is connects on the other end.  I assume that it is somewhere on the 
manifold to get some temp sensing. Can someone be specific as to where
it connects to.  I assume the looped end snapps on to the flapper. THanks



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From: jdouglas@MITRE.org (Jason Douglas)
Subject: Re: Keeping Your Watercooled VW cool.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:31:13 GMT

In article <1e4a23INNkjr@fido.asd.sgi.com> thk@sgi.com (Tom Kong) writes:
> There seems to be a common belief that it is better to run the engine at
> cooler temperature, hence we see 160F thermostat on the market, and 
various
> schemes such as the above to allow the engine to run cooler.
> 
> Perhaps someone knowledgeable can explain why there is such a need.  I 
would
> assume that the factory knows what is best.

According to aviators, you must run the oil at 180+ F, or the moisture 
that results from combustion will not "cook" out.  The moisture, if left 
in the oil, will eventually combine with combustion byproducts to form 
acids.  Sounds like bad juju to me -- I agree with the idea that the folks 
in Wolfsburg generally know best.  In fact, that's why I own a VW and an 
Audi !
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Fox lower timing belt cover
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:01:41 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

Bob Plencner writes: 

   I just got a call from a friend who's water pump
  died on his '87 FOX, and decided that replacing the
  timing belt might be a fitting way to finish up a day 
  under the hood.  He dove into both jobs without a 
  manual, and now seems to be having trouble getting the
  lower cover off of the timing belt.  I'd think this would
  be a pretty straight forward task, but he doesn't think
  so.  He's already got the main pulley off of the crank
  (the toughest part if I remember correctly).

    I don't have any manuals handy right now, and it's
  been a while since I did my '84 GTI's belt.  Would
  anyone offer a few lines of wisdom on this subject.
  I guess he's got the water pump done.  I've already 
  given him a tongue lashing for not consulting a good shop
  manual before starting.

  Thanks,
  Bob


I looked at this last Wednesday.  I was looking for my timing
marks on the crankshaft and water belt pulley to try to check
my timing.  (I know, I know, my timing marks are located behind
the distributor on the clutch flywheel, I misread the manuals and/or
was confused!).  I pulled the top cover off pretty easily, 2 bolts
on either side of the oil filler cap and removal of an allen plug.
The lower (plastic) cover appears to need at least 2 or 3 bolts removed.
I removed these bolts and then realized that the cover encloses
the water belt pullies.  I stopped at this point and reread my 
manual and eventually found my timing mark, put back the upper
cover and moved on.

It seems to me that in order to remove that lower cover, you
need to remove the water pump pullies first.  I think (WARNING,
DANGER WILL ROBINSON, I haven't tried this) that after these 
pullies are off (and those bolts are removed, (one is a bit tough
to get at down by the side of one of the pullies)) the cover _should_
come off.

I think (again I don't know for sure) that the pullies have 4 bolts 
on the front to undo.  Incidently, I have an '88 Fox.

Hope your friend has some luck.  Let us hear how he makes out with
this.  I'll probably need some advice in 10k miles when I replace the timing
belt ( at 60K, I like to live on the edge :-))

Terry
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From: mgb5528@cc.utah.edu (MICHAEL G. BECK)
Subject: Re: Help! Put oil in a Bug, and it disappears!
Summary: Trick Question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:08 MST  

In article <1992Nov20.214440.8481@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes...
{In article <20NOV199213163645@cc.utah.edu>, mgb5528@cc.utah.edu (MICHAEL G. BECK)                       writes...
{>In article <1992Nov20.170103.11314@nntp.nta.no>, BARANSKI@veamf1.nusc.navy.mil (Jim Baranski) writes...
{>{I have a 71' bug, which has recently developed a problem.
{>{ 
{>{I've been putting a *lot* of oil into it recently, like a quart every fill up!
{>{Yet it only smokes a little only when it starts up, and it isn't leaking.
{>{ 
{>{Where could the oil be going?  The front seal was just replaced, and I've heard
{>{that oil can leak into the clutch housing...
{> 
{>I had that happen to me a couple of years ago in '71 Super Beetle.  One sure 
{>way to tell if the oil is going into the clutch housing is if the clutch is 
{>slipping at high rpm's going up a hill.
{> 
{DON'T ANSWER HIM! It's a trick answer. Everyone who has owned a beetle knows
{that YOU CAN'T GO UP A HILL AT A HIGH RPM IN A BEETLE! Thought you could 
{fool us, eh Michael? What is your REAL agenda?
{ 
{> Michael Beck                   
{> Michael.Beck@M.CC.UTAH.EDU       
{> MGB5528@CC.UTAH.EDU                 
{ 
{-garrett


You can when you have a slipping clutch and no power is transferred to the 
wheels because of an oil soaked clutch pad.  Really fun when you can't get up a 
hill on the way home one afternoon.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Do insurance companies hate VWs?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:11:18 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:

> 
> Hey... I know this is the VW newsgroup, but what do people
> think of a used MBZ 190E 85..86..87 years?
> 


Nah, I don't think they'll last that long!


Robert Smits            | Water? I don't need no steenking water!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: squiec@jec321.its.rpi.edu (Craig L. Squier)
Subject: Re: info on jetta
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:07:46 GMT

In article <1e4te6INN58m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Edward Reddy  MI) says:
>
>>Experiences? Well, let me begin. First to go on my 85 JettaGL was a
>
>>summer. Then 2 solid lifters had to be replaced. The timing belt
>                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~HUH???..didn't they go hydraulic in 85???
>
>>this spring. She needs 4 more solid lifters, Flywheel, and someone to
>                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>again..i thought they went hydraulic..or are you saying that the once
>hyds are now solid?..just curious..
>
>>Sound pesimistic? Nope. I love my car. It handles like a dream. Smooth
>whew!!..had me worried!
>
>DREW
>-- 
>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>?????????????????????????????????-----whatever!
  Once again the Drew-Meister is right. After 84' All the lifters are hyd.       on Jettas and Golfs.(Not sure about Scir's or Cabs) you can tell this
  by the engine code and Bentley manual(also buy oil pump pressure but
  that's another story)
  Hizzah Hizzah Drew.
  PLEASE ATTEMPT TO BE ACCURATE WHEN EXPLAINING THINGS< OTHERWISE YOU
  SOUND LIKE A GENERAL MOTORS MECHANIC( Zing!!!! ).
 -Craig


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From: ckurs-24@orville.uni-mainz.de (Teilnehmer am C-Kurs WS 1992_93)
Subject: Importing a VW Passat
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:24:53 GMT

Hi folks, does anybody know how much it costs to import a german VW Passat (new
model , 1989). What do I need to change,, what is  the best/worst case,....
thanks, Peter
From: mercier@charon.rutgers.edu (Gregoire Mercier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: GTI handeling
Keywords: GTI handeling
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:54:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 	I just bought, about two months ago, a 84 GTI. Over the 
past month, I've started to get used to it rather quick nature. 
However, during the long drifts that I make it endure, I have 
noticed a substantial amount of centering effect, on the wheel.
I would just like to know if I am alone with this, or is it standard
with VW's. And if so, is it a caster or kingpin angle problem, or a 
combination.
From: lcc@po.CWRU.Edu (Lih C. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Blue Book value for a 1972 SuperBeetle
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:23:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: lcc@po.CWRU.Edu (Lih C. Chen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone tell me what a 1972 SuperBeetle is worth?  has too many
miles, and lots of repairs needed, but it runs.  Email replies, please.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: bobp@apollo.HP.COM (Bob Plencner)
Subject: Fox lower timing belt cover
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:38:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

  I just got a call from a friend who's water pump
died on his '87 FOX, and decided that replacing the
timing belt might be a fitting way to finish up a day 
under the hood.  He dove into both jobs without a 
manual, and now seems to be having trouble getting the
lower cover off of the timing belt.  I'd think this would
be a pretty straight forward task, but he doesn't think
so.  He's already got the main pulley off of the crank
(the toughest part if I remember correctly).

  I don't have any manuals handy right now, and it's
been a while since I did my '84 GTI's belt.  Would
anyone offer a few lines of wisdom on this subject.
I guess he's got the water pump done.  I've already 
given him a tongue lashing for not consulting a good shop
manual before starting.

Thanks,
Bob


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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:04:38 GMT

In article <By0vDx.FBM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
|> > c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> >> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
|> 
|> >>|> >Let's drag it out into the sunlight.  You'd rather help feed a kid from
|> >>|> >Detroit than a kid from Tsutsumi.  Is this not racism?
|> >>|> 
|> >>|> No, it's patriotism.
|> >>
|> >>Which is a far more dangerous problem than racism.
|> >
|> >[Semi-cute Canadian flag rendition deleted]
|> >
|> >And your flag display is not patriotic, right? 
|> 
|> Well, you know, any chance to knock the USA is fair game.
|> 
|> We are the only super-power left in the world, any chance to make it or its
|> inhabitants look bad is a welcome oppurtunity.
|> 
|> We may not be perfect, but we must be doing something right, to be where we
|> are!!!

Oh christ!  Take a vallium.  You've been in front of that screen for too long.
Read my lips :

  "If I wanted to bash the U.S. I would have put a U.S. flag upside down."

Are there no baseball fans out there?!?!?

Don Clayton
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From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:38:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

I agree with the consensus that the G20 is superior to the Altima,
at a comparable price.  The G20 has a great engine and ABS brakes.
I think the Altima is a loser, just like the Stanza was.  One knock
against the G20 is that it lacks sufficient headroom in the rear for
a 6 footer, while the Altima is tall enough.  Also, the G20 lacks a
driver side airbag, whereas the Altima has one.

Both cars have those stupid motorized seatbelts-- *#)&$(*&^ Nissan.
However, an Infiniti dealer told me the '94 model of the G20 would be
available in April 1993 (NoCal), and would come with an airbag and
post-mounted 3-point seatbelt.  Let's hope they don't spoil the G20's
looks, or it's super-low coefficient of drag (.30).

Don't forget that the Mazda 626 is a competitor in the Accord/Taurus/
Camry class.  Given the G20's lack of airbag, the Accord's SOHC engine,
the Taurus' mediocre reliability, and the Camry's poor fuel economy,
I'd say Mazda is the winner right now.  (Chrysler LH not included.)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.220847.11422@ge-dab.GE.COM> pelham@suffolk.dab.ge.com (Tony Pelham) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.214504.19231@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>>In article (Dan Harling)write:
>>>In article <2AF94D2A.3410@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>>
>>I agree whole-heartedly with this position.  One of the reasons I stopped
>>taking Consumer Reports was the rather biased manner in which they gather
>>data.  Most of their data stems from questionaires sent in from subscribers.
>>You can bet that someone who thinks their car is junk is going to respond.
>>In fact, the whole premise behind Consumer Reports is to look for the worst
>>in a product.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
>I missed the earlier discussion on this topic, but much of the above
>sounds like pure rubbish to me. Any survey that asks people to
>respond is going to have some bias in it. Do you have any evidence to 
>support your claim that owners of Japanese cars systematically 
>


	I think  I saw somewhere that Japanese badged cars built on the same
lines as US badged cars (plenty of examples) consistently score higher on 
the various surveys.  I don't know enough about THIS topic, but seem to remember
reading it somewhere.

	
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From: don@vestek.com (Don Labutay)
Subject: Renault Le Car parts
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:30:13 GMT

Anyone out there know a mail-order place that sells original and after-market parts for
Renaults? The only one I know is Archer Racing. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:17:24 GMT

Camry's poor fuel economy? Are you talking about the V6 or V4?

john
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From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Subject: Re: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:55:18 GMT

In the referenced article, dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>	a Saturn is 17%.  This is much higher than for other cars in
>	the same size/price category, which average closer to 10% and under.
>	Thus, the "no dicker sticker" rap serves the Saturn dealer quite well.

True enough. Of course, they don't get kickbacks, so it's pretty hard
to compare.

Besides, it seems to me that it's serving the customers fairly well
too. At least most of the people I've heard talk about Saturn have
nothing but good to say about the service they get at Saturn dealers,
something that's not easy to accomplish when sales pressure is made
incredibly high by extremely low profit margins.
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 When you're up, it's a long way down
 It's all the same thing
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From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: GERMAN CAPRI FOR SALE
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:09:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

1977 Capri for sale VERY GOOD CONDITION...No Rust
19,000 original miles
V-6 w/ 4spd, A/C, am/fm
garaged
red w/ black interior
MUST SELL...I bought a station wagon and this car has got to go!
Asking $3900. but will take best offer.

gary newhart
pennsylvania...near philadelphia
(h) 215-882-9798
From: rbs@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:39:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <BxxMw7.HyK.2@cs.cmu.edu>, michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak) writes:
> My friend's late 80's Grand Am also with a Quad4 also blew a head gasket
> and developed some rust. It took us 3 weekends to replace the head
> gasket, but we did it ourselves. The parts salesman at the dealer 
> was surprised: "I never heard of a blown head gasket in one of
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> these cars".
> 
> My friend likes this car a lot despite the problems, but I would stay
> far away from it myself.

Well, I'll bet he hears a lot more!  My sister just had the same problem
with her Quad4 Grand Am to the tune of $600!

Bob Smith
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Probe in the Snow?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:49:43 GMT

ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis) writes:

>When you actually get snow or very heavy slush on the roads, though,
>things change.  On the highway, with slush, I was okay. Once I hit city
>streets, particularly ones that hadn't been plowed, I was in a great
>deal of trouble.  Acceleration went all to hell (no real traction) and

I think this would be reason enough for me to buy the Probe and NOT the
Probe GT.  For those of us who live in the snow belt, a car that can't
handle a little snow isn't of much use about 2/3 of the year.

>Time to get snow tires.  Any suggestions?  I was thinking of buying some
>Goodyear Eagle M&S's, but they're expensive, and I was told they don't
>last that long. Other ideas?  Tire size is P225/50 and a 16" wheel.

Another reason not to buy the GT.  That size tire is *very* expensive!

>By the way, traction aside, the Probe is the best car I've ever driven
>in inclement weather.  There was ZERO fogging in the car, even on the
>side quarter windows, the wipers worked very well, and the ABS was

Apparently they've improved it from the earlier models.  The old style
probe tended to get pretty steamy windows in wet weather.


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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Practical Luxury Car
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:51:26 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.203807.6294@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.190458.23434@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
|> >Hy netters.  I have been thinking this for some time.  If you are rich and
|> >money is no object, what car would you buy for EVERYDAY use?  ............
|> > .................... Of course, it has to be luxurous, safe, fun to drive, 
|> >etc etc.  And the underline assumption is you LOVE driving.  So what do you
|> >choose?
|> 
|> Any of...
|> 
|> Lincoln Town car
|> Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham
|> Chevrolet Suburban

or a Ford F350 Crew Cab Duallie with a turbocharged, intercooled, diesel engine
coupled through the E4OD tranny, and gear splitter, to a 4.1:1 rear end.  An
engine brake installed on the exhaust and a LORAN system in the cab.  In the
bed You'll find a fifth wheel hitch that swivels on 2 axes installed in rails
for easy removal.

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