From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:27:40 GMT

ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) wrote:

+In article <Bx0rrv.831@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
+>I admire China. I respect Chinese people and people with honor, people with
+>dignity.
+
+  If the above sentence has any truth,  then the post wouldn't be full
+  of phony-baloney accusations on Chinese people.

	Please note that you blood carders are no longer part of the Chinese
	people although most of you blood carders have the Chinese blood.
	You blood carders are refugees in the United States.

+>Recently I am really shocked by some Chinese students' lack of sense of a bit
+>of shame.
+
+  I'm really shocked by your lack of common sense.

	Your "common sense" never received any response from me though. :-)

+>          They only care themselves, no one else.
+
+  Better than sticking into other people's business.

	who bother whose business? The cChinese people bothered your business,
	or you blood carders bothered the Chinese people's business?

+>                                                  Everybody knows you want to 
+>stay in this country. What I'd like to remind you is that no one cares where 
+>you want to stay. It is totally your own business.
+
+  But you still feel it's your business.

	Getting blood cards is you blood carders' business;
	Opposing blood cards is our business.
	SInce you blood carders have made thousands of attacks on me, a guy
	who firmly opposes your blood cards, you blood carders have OBVIOUSLY
	bothered my business.

+>                                                   (Actually, you'd better
+>stay away from China.) But you guys just cannot benefit yourselves while 
+>hurting others, especially your compatriots and your nation.
+
+  They simply cann't help it if people like you feel hurt.  After all, it's
+  not your business.

	Well, why should people like Shannon Yeh help/recognize your blood 
	cards if people like you feel hurt?

+>                                                             Your arguments
+>are simply lie. No one can be more clear about it than you.
+
+  Yet, you appear even clearer so you appointed yourself as their spokesman.

	Why?

+>                                                            Your "achievement"
+>just constitutes the most shameful page of history.
+
+  Seems your post is a winning candidate for that page. 

	Why?  How do you like this dialogue:

	A: "You (B) are a bad guy"
	B: "No, I am NOT.  You (A) are a bad guy"

	Does this conversation prove anything?

+>I just can't believe it is Chinese who are seeking a foreign country's 
+>protection by damaging their own motherland. Unfortunately, you are now still
+>Chinese. Fortunately you cannot represent Chinese and this makes me feel 
+>better.
+
+  Of course you feel good because you think only CCP government can represent
+  Chinese.

	Regardless the CCP goverment can or cannot represent Chinese, you
	blood carders definately canNOT represent Chinese.

+>Do you guys really think you are heroes in American's mind? You are ending up
+>being refugees, if better than something worse than refugees. Anyway, you don't
+>care.
+
+  Yet, there are still people who are even jealous of refugees.

	Oh, really?  Anything from those refugees worthy of being lealous?

+>Bill Clinton is having a hard time for his involvement in anti-America 
+>demonstration in Moscow. We can imagine what happens if he ever begged for
+>Russian's protection. Since you want to be American (do not deny it), you
+>should learn how Americans react to such conduct.
+
+  What people have learned is that Americans just gave you, a phony American,
+  a loud slap on your face. 

	I am not sure why you are still ZUi3Xiong4.

+>There is no denying that CCP committed crimes and even atrocities and serious
+>violation of some basic human rights does exist in China. But let's give 
+>credit to where credit is due. They admit their mistakes (of course not enough)
+>and they are trying to improve. What is important is they are leading Chinese 
+>people in the right direction. If you always label other people " CCP-running
+>dog", what kind of dog are you? Of course some people do like your CCP-bashing.
+
+  Seems you yourself feel like a CCP-running dog.

	Then, could you name yourself as an independent dog since your voice
	is totally different from the CCP's?  

+>You are attaching conditions on China's trade status, boycotting China's toy 
+>import, etc. (It will be really interesting if Japanese here boycott Toyota and
+>Koreans against their Hyundai. GM just can't wait to see this.) You should be
+>reminded that DAMAGING YOUR MOTHERLAND'S INTERESTS FOR WHATEVER REASONS IS 
+>SHAME, NOT HONOR.
+
+  What about apologizing for a ruthless government?  Of course it's an honor
+  for you.

	Then, why don't you go to China to implement a better government?

+>                  Comparing those Chinese who launch satellites and those who
+>compete for Olympic Gold for China, what the hell are you doing here ??? 
+
+  Certainly not praising the CCP government for everything Chinese people
+  achieve.  But comparing with the real Americans who think people have the
+  right to criticize the government, what the hell is the phony American
+  doing here?

	If you have properly "criticized" your home country government, why
	do you have to become refugees?

+>Is this: 
+>               Zheng4 Shi4 Bu4 Zu2,  Bai4 Shi4 You3 Yu2 ?
+
+  It is:
+		Wei4 Hu3 Zuo4 Chang1, Lang2 Bei4 Wei2 Jian1.
+ 
+>Now the situation is really a dilemma for Chinese government. They dare not 
+>tell Chinese people the truth of what some of the Chinese students are doing 
+>here.I think this time they are blocking the right news. Only the USA is the 
+>one to be blamed for "hindering" Chinese students returning home.

	Certainly, you blood carders are not worthy of any ink on any 
	newspaper.

+  When did the CCP govenment block wrong news?  To the CCP government,
+  right news is bad news.  Is it a dilemma to you?

	Again, let me make ir clear: you blood carders are NOT worthy of any 
	ink on any newspaper!

+>As to Mr. Shannon Yeh, though I do not fully agree with his posting manner, his
+>motive is definitely justifiable and his courage is admirable. You guys just 
+>act like murder suspects who are scared to death of any testimony against you.
+
+  Because the real murderers are still at loose.

	what?

+>There is an unprecedented ally in this news group in striking back any 
+>criticism of your shameful conduct. But we do not have to wait too long to 
+>witness another war. You will kill each other to get the green card first. 
+
+  Have a nice dream.

	Did those real democracy leaders appreciate your blood cards?

+>After all, what can be expected from you? Anyway, your guts to expose 
+>yourselves to shame is unsurpassable.
+
+  Xiao3 Wu1 Jian4 Da4 Wu1 when meeting the phony American.

	This is the typical shamelessness.

+>You really should be D-fighters, Dignity-fighters. If you lose, you will never
+>be a winner.
+
+  So when you lose, you are still a winner.

	No, that's what you blood carders did: why do you blood carders have
	trouble to go home?

+>Somebody is talking about "Xiang Jian He Tai Ji", really funny.
+>  
+>              Zhongguo Ren, Bu Yao Zai Ma Mu Le.
+>              Ni Men Yao Fen Qing Shi Yu Fei.
+>              Ni Men De Min Zu Zi Zun Xin Na Li Qu Le?
+
+  That's the so-called respect to Chinese people as claimed in the first
+  paragraph of the post.  It's phony or baloney?

	Another typical shamelessness.

+>I love China.
+
+  Unfortunately,  Cheng2 Shi4 Bu4 Zu2,  Bai4 Shi4 You3 Yu2.

	That's you blood carders' behave.  Before you argue with me, please
	answer yourself a couple of simple questions: why do you blood carders 
	have trouble to go home? Why do you blood carders have to become 
	refugees?  why the Chinese people didn't help you out with your 
	trouble-to-go-home (regardless how tough a government might be, if the
	majority people love you, the government cannot do much anyway.)?

	shannon
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