HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Newsgroups: bionet.general,bionet.plants
Subject: Declaration of Purpose: recruiting by email
Summary: Encouragement toward cyber-activism for "plants"
Keywords: maize genetics bionet.maize email newsletters
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:46:00 GMT
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620

Fellow BioNet Telecommunicators:

On the subject of the current discussion for the creation of
bionet.maize, I am alerting maize geneticists by email.  I concatenated
several posts, including the official proposal and am sending them to
various people around the world who might be interested.  Anyone wishing
to see specifically what I am sending out, drop me an email request.

The Maize Genetics Cooperation Newletter, Vol. 66, 1992 published its
mailing list of over 1200 maize-interested colleagues.  A minor
percentage of those people include an InterNet/BitNet address.  It
is to those email addresses that I have sent an invitation to "tune
in" to the current discussion.

Perhaps there are parallel mailing lists in the equivalent genetics
newsletters for soybeans, barley, tomato....to think of newsletters 
that I personally have seen.  Whether one favors bionet.maize,
bionet.plants.maize or bionet.plants as a forum, do you think you ought
to become an cyber-activist in your chosen plant-related discipline 
and encourage colleagues to tune into the bionet discussions groups,
especially (at least) bionet.plants?

I'd like to point out that I am "recruiting" from a list of people
who have expressed a long term interest in maize genetics.  The
Maize Genetics Coop has been going since about 1928.  The Coop has
a well attended annual meeting lasting several days.  Just as
the advent of molbio genetics as added a new vigorous facet to the
"classical" maize genetics cooperation, so perhaps going on-line might
add yet a new aspect to WIDESPREAD INFORMAL INFORMATION SHARING...the
original purpose of the Maize Coop. 

Please take note that I am not sending broadcast messages to discussion
groups on UseNet or ListServ's.  My broadcast notes are to BioNet and my
encouragement/recruiting is via Email addressed to specific people, in
keeping with the "rules" of bionet.

Have a nice day!  :^)

Steve
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From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: more bionette stuff
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <9283144521.MIN-LFCAa20140.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: >>botanists refusing to let other people read biology.plants?  No, of
: >           ^^^^^^^^        ^^^^^        ^^^^

I detect sinister anti-botanist sentiments here ;-)

	Tony.

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From: una@phy.duke.edu (Una Smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:33:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

So far, the comments are running 12 to 2 in favor of
bionet.women rather than bionet.bionette.  The general
feeling is that '-ette' is distasteful.

	Una

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From: kristoff@GENBANK.BIO.NET (Dave Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Tsk, tsk ...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:00:31 GMT
Distribution: bionet


It's times like these that make me glad that BIONEWS/bionet.announce
was separated out and moderated from BIOFORUM/bionet.general ..... 

I think everyone already knows my opinion on these kind of exchanges,
but then this is BIOFORUM, I guess even scientists need an outlet
somewhere, and almost anything goes here as long as net regulations
are not violated.

As to comments about the low intellectual content of this newsgroup,
obviously the postings were being read before the comment was made.
This reminds me of reading the National Enquirer in the supermarket
checkout line, but never admitting it.  The other newsgroups, e.g.,
methods, obviously are serving a useful practical purpose as even a
casual glance can reveal.  To say that they contain no content over
comments on favorite test tube markers is a gross exaggeration.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: bionet.bionette was voted upon, and accepted.
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:08:07 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.

In article <1992Sep3.062432.11738@nic.funet.fi> harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper) writes:
>
>Besides the vote went through for bionet.bionette
>So why not set it up and get on with it.
>
   Hear, hear.  The vote was taken, and passed. End of discussion. Trying
to change the name now (without unanimous consent as is the case) lowers
bionet at least as low as alt-net. At least as for organization.

   There are supposed to be rules here. At least I was lectured on them a
few weeks ago.
   As I understand it, the proper procedure would be this:

  1) Bionet.bionette gets created.
  2) A CVF is held for suggested and held for another group.
  3) If that group is passed, it is created.
  4) Bionet.bionette is removed _if_ it has no traffic.

   I assume that DK and others feel an obligation to uphold thier own
rules.

DanZ

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From: zxmkr08@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:17:03 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

In <1992Sep3.062432.11738@nic.funet.fi> harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper) writes:

>Bionette is a good name. It is imaginative. It is memorable.
>Bionette will draw more attention that any staid and proper
>sounding name, that gets chosen to give the newsgroup a veneer
>of respectability.

Well, when I read the name "Bionette" the first time, I thought of something
connected with Netiquette... I guess I would have had a look though (just
because of curiosity) but I NEVER would have guessed the purpose of this
newsgroup from its name.

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From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: maize bioforum
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:49:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <1992Aug22.191012.6188@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
(Kay Klier) writes:

>I, too, would prefer to see maize discussions on bionet.plants -- at least
>until the corn starts swamping everyone else out.

I agree!  If people are so interested in discussing maize, why not just
start up some threads on bionet.plants?

  Tom Schneider
  National Cancer Institute
  Laboratory of Mathematical Biology
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
  toms@ncifcrf.gov
From: clsmith@UX5.LBL.GOV (cassandra smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:42:19 GMT
Distribution: bionet


1. Proposed names so far (I have eliminated "womens-issues"which is too broad):

.bionette 
.herbionet
.biowomen
.wbs       women-in-biological-sciences
.women-in-bio
.women-bio
.womens-bionet
.women


2. Proposed names must be limited to 14 characters on USENET segment
names.  The final suggestion should either fit the format
"bionet.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" or break it up into
bionet.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.yyyyyyyyyyyyyy where the x's should preferably
be one of the existing subhierarchies such as "molbio", etc.

3. A number of people who voted and I presume have already, or will
shortly, subscribe to bionette, are not the usual bionet subscribers.
Thus, if we change the name before the formation of the newgroup, we
will need to insure that the subscribers to bionette are subscribed to
the newsgroup as they are not likely to see any announcements over the
network.

4. The discussion of the name change is begin done over bioforum. I
fear that there are scientists who may have useful suggestions and
concerns about the name but do not subscribe to bioforum. Thus, it may
be more useful to bring this issue to the subscribers to bionette
after it is formed.In contrast the announement and voting for the
formation of a newsgroup is to all subscribers.


Sincerely, 
Cassandra Smith
From: kristoff@GENBANK.BIO.NET (Dave Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:50:39 GMT
Distribution: bionet


> Initially, I was opposed 
> to the creation of a new group for or about women in biology,
> mostly because I didn't think there was any real demand for
> one.  I am virtually the only woman who ever posts in the
> bionet groups, and I figured that there weren't many women
> reading the groups.  However, a cursory inspection of the
> subscriber lists for a number of LISTSERV mailing lists that
> I follow showed that there were between 30 and 50 percent
> women subscribers.  I can not inspect the subscriber lists for
> bionet, but if women are similarly represented there, then I
> want to know why they are so disproportionately silent!  

Unlike LISTSERV, we do not retain personal names on our mailing lists
here so it is difficult to determine this statistic (not that the urge
has ever struck me before to be honest - this is an equal opportunity
forum, i.e., when one is reduced to ASCII type discrimination is more
difficult).

Dave
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:28:40 GMT
Organization: GenBank Online Service

The discussion about the name of the newsgroup is something that needs
to be resolved before the newsgroup is established and there is
nothing in our policy that prohibits renaming a group whose concept
has been approved.  It is too bad that this hit during the summer
doldrums and that no one commented during the discussion period when
this issue should have been raised.

The first point that I'd like to make, Una, is that the name did not
originate with me and that there is no need to wait for me to go on
vacation to discuss changing it.  Sorry you think that way.  I have
supported this newsgroup all along and it is a bit sad that one of the
first discussions about it begins with an assumption of male
chauvinism on my part.  This is not an auspicious beginning.

My suggestion is that Cassandra collect suggestions and provide me
with a new name if the current one is that distasteful.  We need to
get this resolved *before* we create the group.

I would vote strongly against bionet.women because the name is too
broad and will attract casual postings on women's issues that are much
broader than those related primarily to women biologists.  Please
remember that the primary purpose of the bionet newsgroups is
scientific and that this newsgroup sets a precedent which could
deviate from the purpose of bionet if it blows up into, e.g., a forum
for fighting about abortion rights.  I am very concerned that a simple
name like bionet.women might lead to exactly such deviations from the
charter of the newsgroup and the hierarchy.  bionet.bionette had the
virtue of avoiding attracting postings from casual non-scientific
readers while bionet.women would stick out excessively and imply a
broad charter.  Even though bionet.bionette was not my suggestion, I
liked the idea and still support it as a means of keeping the
newsgroup on track.  bionet.women does not work.
bionet.women-biologists might be better but women-biologists is two
characters over the 14 character limit on USENET segment names.  The
final suggestion should either fit the format "bionet.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
or break it up into bionet.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.yyyyyyyyyyyyyy where the x's
should preferably be one of the existing subhierarchies such as
"molbio", etc.

Cassandra, the ball is back in your court on this.  Please collect
comments and get back to me with a new name so that we can establish
the newsgroup.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net

Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper)
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Distribution: bionet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:24:32 GMT

Bionette is a good name. It is imaginative. It is memorable.
Bionette will draw more attention that any staid and proper
sounding name, that gets chosen to give the newsgroup a veneer
of respectability.

Besides the vote went through for bionet.bionette
So why not set it up and get on with it.

Hey I would read read bionet.bionette just because it has
a great name and I would expect something to happen there.
I am not so sure I would want to read a bionet.women newsgroup.
It does not have the same ZING to it.

Rob "bionaut" Harper
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Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen)
Subject: low molecular weight heparin
Keywords: REQUEST
Organization: UUCP EDV-Beratung Andreas Jennen Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:03:50 GMT


  Hi !

	 This is not a normal request for information, because it's too
	 big to be normal:-)
		I'm looking for really every information about low molecular
    weight heparin i can get. This starts with the "history" of 
	 l.m.w. heparin(when and by whom discovered), when to use, how
	 to use, how to produce and the most important questions:

		 1)  Who is doing researches on low molecular weight heparin
			  and where can i get the papers ?

       2)  Whith companies are producing l.m.w. heparin, how much 
			  are the costs for this ?

       3)  And finally, who's the leading research team/man/woman,
			  and where are they ?


     A lot of questions, but i'm going to be very thankful for every
    little bit of information i'm hoping to get !


		  thanx a lot by now !!!!!!

		  replies to:

		  tnt@aball.in-berlin.de
						or
        tnt@obh.in-berlin.de


		  Or by mail to     Tobias Troester
								  Potsdamer Str.7
								  1000 Berlin 45
								  West-Germany

           By mail only serious information, because i'm going to pay
			  for your letters, you do NOT have to pay for it!!!!!!!


						 bye bye    tnt

Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: kbrevik@radium.uio.no (Kristin Brevik Andersson)
Subject: bionette stuff and flames
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:45:01 GMT


I think it's about time some of the participants (Steve Modena in particular)
cool off in the debate (?) about naming the "bionette" newsgroup!!  I'm wasting
time going through non-constructive and silly (!) postings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I suggest that such authors review the basic rules of posting/NOT posting 
messages to a newsgroup

The main points are

1.  The vote for .bionette went through, so obviously some of the Netters feel
    that such a newsgroup is useful.

2.   Just get on with deciding a name for the newsgroup as proposed by
     previous postings (name to Cassandra Smith)!

It should be quite easy for those interested to subscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cheers  :-)

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From: sarah@castle.ed.ac.uk (S.J.McQuay)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: more bionette stuff
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:53:09 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Edinburgh University

amolina@es.cica writes:

>	Steve Modena suggests to re-rename bionet-women (bionette, be-
>fore) with the "real" name: bionet apartheid (according to the dictio-
>nary it's perfect).
>	If some people WANT to be appart from the rest because of their
>gonads, that's a kind of appartheid.

Why has the discussion degenerated into comments about women being set
apart from men because of the creation of a bionet.bionette group? (the
name I favour for the resaons stated by Dave K.)  

>why they cannot discuss the things they'll discuss in bionette (or what
>name on the hell they will give to the thing), but in bionet. 

The group _will_ be part of bionet.  A separate group for a particular
discussion, not of interest to all, is the norm for all other topics,
why is this any different?

>	Sometimes I don't understand people (again this stupid Y chromo-
>some?), but if you voted to create it, go ahead and ... can I be subs-
>cribed?
...
>P.S. What would happen if all the men scientists asked to be subscribed
>to bionette?

Why is there any question in anyone's mind that men would not be able
to read the group?  Are physicists excluded from reading bionet?  Are
botanists refusing to let other people read biology.plants?  No, of
course not.

SJ

Sarah J. McQuay
Biocomputing Research Unit, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.  
e-mail: S.J.McQuay@ed.ac.uk
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:10:04 -0500
Distribution: bionet
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep2.220347.10867@ncsu.edu>, samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena) writes:
>>: I said, I can stand any name, but I _prefer_ bionette.women.
>>                                                     ^^^
>>Maybe you have hit on the solution to please everyone, Kay: We can just
>>rename the entire hierarchy from bionet to bionette ;-)
> Tony, I think you are missing Kay's point:  bionette.women is
> the forerunner of a separate, segregant newgroup heirarchy.  The

Oh, *ell, what can I say... it was a long day and a shorter night when 
I typed that in... And I've always had trouble with homonyms... ;-)

And if you want my _real_ preference, it would be that we could get
away from the issues and discrimination and misunderstandings that
divide us and get on with some science.
                                                  Kay
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: Re: bionet.bionette or bionet.women ?
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.135803.1301@macc.wisc.edu> nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY) writes:
>>same phenomenon in the discussions here on bionet.   
>
>education. (Had to, but that's another story) 
> .......................................I generally don't post
>to the bionet groups because the discussion in them generally seems
>to run at a very low intellectual level. A possible exception is
>the information theory group, and........
>................................... Sorry, but I don't usually
>post because there isn't much of intellectual interest in these
>groups for me. I *do* keep reading for the occassional useful post.

Bionet.Info-Theory would definitely welcome you to stir up some
intellectual activity.....there are aspects of computional
biology that have info-theory underpinnings.

Steve
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From: amolina@es.cica
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: more bionette stuff
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:13:54 GMT
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	Steve Modena suggests to re-rename bionet-women (bionette, be-
fore) with the "real" name: bionet apartheid (according to the dictio-
nary it's perfect).
	If some people WANT to be appart from the rest because of their
gonads, that's a kind of appartheid.

	In a world where integration is becoming the wisest think, some
take the opposite way. I cannot understand (because of my Y chromosome?)
why they cannot discuss the things they'll discuss in bionette (or what
name on the hell they will give to the thing), but in bionet. 
	Sometimes I don't understand people (again this stupid Y chromo-
some?), but if you voted to create it, go ahead and ... can I be subs-
cribed?

	bye ...

P.S. What would happen if all the men scientists asked to be subscribed
to bionette?
From: una@phy.duke.edu (Una Smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Can I count?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:48:24 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Steve Modena said:

>>> With the exception of one open post, Una could be making those numbers up.
>>> Why are there 14 offline expressions of opinions to two online?  

then pnh@fcsparc6.ncifcrf.gov (Paul N Hengen) said:

>> ...I trust her; don't we all?

and then tim@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu replied:

>Hmmm ...  if analysis of the {Marilyn vos Savant/Monty Hall/Let's Make a Deal}
>problem is used as a benchmark for assessing skill at manipulating numbers,
>then perhaps not ...   :)


Hey, even a brilliant, articulate person like myself can make mistakes
sometimes. ;-)  Monty Hall is right:  if the MC gives you the choice
of switching after one of the two doors you didn't pick is opened, then
you should switch.  I was wrong!  Satisfied?  Can we get on with science?

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                                Yale University
                                New Haven, CT  06511-7444
Newsgroups: bionet.general,bionet.plants