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From: psyline@psyline.nl (Theo Bogels)
Newsgroups: nlnet.announce
Subject: PSY Studiedag Mei 1993
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:27:55 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: PsyLine * Nijmegen * The Netherlands.

        
 Studiedag vrijdag 14 Mei 1993
 Congresgebouw De Vereeniging
          Nijmegen

Traumatische Gebeurtenissen:
Diagnostiek en Interventie

Doelgroep: psychiaters/psychologen/huisartsen/GGZ werkers
8 lezingen, 3 a 4 workshops

Infofolder/aanmeldingsformulier: 080-449497 spraak
                                 080-441509 fax
                                 pen@psyline.nl


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Newsgroups: nlnet.announce,swi.general,vu.general,vucsm.announce
From: frankh@swi.psy.uva.nl (Frank van Harmelen)
Subject: Amsterdams AI Colloquium
Organization: Social Science Informatics, University of Amsterdam.
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:37:16 GMT



		      Amsterdams AI Colloquium Serie

			      Ter introductie

De twee grootste AI groepen in Amsterdam, het SWI van de Universiteit van
Amsterdam en de werkeenheid AI van de Vrije Universiteit, organiseren samen
een nieuw colloquiumserie over kennistechnologie voor geinteresseerden
vanuit het onderzoekswereld, het onderwijs en de praktijk. Gerenommeerde
sprekers uit het binnen- en buitenland worden uitgenodigd om diverse
aspecten van de kennistechnologie (in de breedste zin) te bespreken, zoals
bijvoorbeeld: ontwerpmethoden van KBS, kennismodellering, grondslagen,
juridische kennissystemen, ITS, machine learning.

Gestreefd wordt naar in totaal 10 bijeenkomsten per jaar afwisselend op de
VU en de UvA, op woensdagmiddag.

De eerste drie sprekers zullen zijn:

Wo 25 Nov	Ashley 		Case-based reasoning		VU
Wo  9 Dec	Silverman	Critiquing systems		UvA
Wo 13 Jan	Sergot		Juridische kennissystemen	VU
Wo 24 Feb	Flach		Machine Learning		UvA

! Het eerste colloquium van Dr. Ashley over Case-based Reasoning zal
! worden georganiseerd op de VU, De Boelelaan 1081a, Faculteit Wiskunde en
! Informatica, om 15.30 in zaal S-201.

Voor meer informatie kunt u contact opnemen met
Frank van Harmelen (frankh@swi.psy.uva.nl, 020-525 6791) of
Frances Brazier (frances@cs.vu.nl, 020-548 5588).

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From: psyline@psyline.nl (Theo Bogels)
Newsgroups: nlnet.announce
Subject: Psychodiagnostiek Opleiding
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:37:53 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: PsyLine * Nijmegen * The Netherlands.

POSTdoctorale specialistische opleiding Psychodiagnostiek.
Nijmegen, januari/juni 1993, 22 vrijdagmiddagen, 14-17 uur.
Doelgroep: Psychologen.
Start: 8 januari 1993.
Info: 080-449497, kantooruren. Beperkt aantal plaatsen.
Modulair opgezet: intake, klachtenonderzoek, onderzoek cognitieve
functies/neuro, persoonlijkheidsonderzoek, indicatiestelling.
Modules ook afzonderlijk te volgen (deelgetuigschriften).


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Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: ted@EurOpen-conf.eu.net (Ted Lindgreen)
Subject: Test, please ignore
Organization: Encore Unix Centre Europe
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:52:42 GMT

Test vanf EurOpen Conference machine
From: peter@rwzl10.zld.rws.nl (Peter v.d. Mark)
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:06:08 GMT
Distribution: nlnet
Organization: Dutch Min. of transport Zeeland, Middelburg

dit is een try-out
Newsgroups: ont.micro
From: u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad)
Subject: CHEAP SOFTWARE
Keywords: DOT, FLIGHT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:20:07 GMT


Brand new (never openned) DAYS OF THUNDER IBM GAME....


Retails for $55

Goes to best offer over $25!


MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR

New, but openned :(

Retails for $50

Goes to best offer over $20!!!


email or call (613)723-6583 anytime (leave message)


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Al     u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA                    Al
From: Q-Bert@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Q-Bert)
Newsgroups: ont.micro
Subject: For SALE: IOEXPANSION stuff for the Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:44:55 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS
From: Q-Bert@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Q-Bert)
Newsgroups:
comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: For SALE: IOEXPANSION stuff for the Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:42:22 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

About a year ago, I started the IOEXPANSION project for the Amiga, but by
force of the situation, I was forced to buy a commercial Serial expansion
card for my Amiga.

I therefore have most of the necessary electronic stuff for building the
Project (except for the PCBs)...  And it's for sale:

2 x R65C52P1
2 x R65C22P1
4 x MAX238CNG
10 x 40 pins low profile headers
1 x 40 pins DIN connector
1 x 16 pins low profile header
5 x D-Sub 9 pins connectors w/pins
1 x 74F139N
1 x 3.6864 clock crystal
various capacitors
various resistors

As I understand, the R65 parts are rather hard to come by in Europe (where
the project seems to be popular).

I would like to open the biding with $100CDN (canadian) + shipping.

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From: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans) 
Newsgroups: ont.uucp
Subject: Unitel LD & data calls
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada 416-283-0114 2200+ conferences
Reply-To: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans) 

Anybody here using Unitel's long distance service?

How are they in handling data calls?  I'm thinking of getting the 'black
box' service, as the thought of adding all those access codes to the dial
string gives me the willies.

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OTHERS: ian.evans@canrem.com                   | 416-283-0114 (v32bis/HST)

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From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Men's Attitudes (Was: Take Back The Night)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:17:28 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <77oXTB2w165w@zswamp.UUCP> 
(Geoffrey Welsh) writes: 
      ....

>    We have not yet fallen to abuse, and I don't want to see that happen.  I 
> hope that we can take a pause and be sure that we continue this discussion, if 
> we choose to do so at all, in a calm and friendly manner so that we may all 
> learn from each other, rather than become so defensive that we come away angry 
> that others had the audacity to disagree with our infinite wisdom.  If we do,

        I'm afraid Geoff doesn't understand the nature of
        infinite wisdom. :-)
 
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: sharma@nrcphy1.phy.nrc.ca (Rohit Sharma)
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: National Research Council of Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:27:03 GMT

In article <17829@bcars664.bnr.ca> Henry.Troup@BNR.CA writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.064408.28210@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca>,
>mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:
>|>Canadian telephone system in the past, why not make the *local*
>|>telephone system a municipal responsability?
>
>The B in BNR is for BELL - I am connected with them.
>
>from another government agency.  In fact, government agencies generally
>regard it as unfair to publically criticize other agencies.
>
>Many of Canada's phone companies are or have been government owned by
>the provinces, BTW.  Alberta Government Telephones is now privatized as
>Novatel, I think.  NBTel is still government, maybe. 
 ^^^^^^^^
NovAtel _was_ a private-govt owned telecom company dealing mainly in 
Cellular telephones till they went under last year despite millions of
dollors of assistance from the Alberta Govt.  Alberta Government
Telephones (AGT) is now privatized as Telus Ltd. and has since been
slicing away whole divisions (such as R&D) in an effort to show some
kind of financial feasibility/profits.
--
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 T R Labs - Photonics Division and Solid State Optoelectronics Consortium
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson)
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:44:08 GMT

In article <3967@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>Why is the system set up this way?  Because, in a monopoly situation,
>>the service provider (ie. Bell) can do what they want.  A competitive
>>marketplace would never sustain this kind of cross-subsidy.  But it
>>allows Bell to claim cheaper local rates.
>
>This is entirely false.  CRTC sets rates.  The situation is precisely
>because the CRTC, indirectly the government and the electorate (ie:
>us) feels that "basic service" is close enough to a right rather than
>a privilege that the higher resource consuming users pay more than
>a "fair" share.

  I've always been somewhat peeved that Bell Canada is owned by BCE,
essentially a for-profit company. (I was going to say ``privately'',
but its stocks are traded. Still, *I* don't own any and few of the
people who would be affected by local call rate hikes do). What is the
story with the other regionals? (BCTel, NBTel, etc..)
  Since the CRTC has essentially regulated most aspects of the
Canadian telephone system in the past, why not make the *local*
telephone system a municipal responsability? Get Bell out of that for
good and let the people decide what they want to do with telephone. 
  It makes sense to me: the government pays for the other means of
``communication'' --- roads, bridges, airports, and it has been
suggested that IP links across the continent be paid for by agencies
of the various governments. (At least offsetting the start up costs)

  Bell Canada becomes just another LD provider in this picture. I
can't see how service can be much worse than that Bell provides. (Why
can't they just give me a damn appointment and keep it for phone
installation? Am I the only who is simply dropped into a loop on their
stupid electronic receptionist system? )

>It would also be amusing to see your reaction if Bell started charging
>you fairly, per minute, for your news link to xenitec - a local call away
>ain't it?

  I think that this would profoundly alter our culture. Not that I
*like* the phone. I hate it most of the time.... 
  Say it ain't so, Chris. Please, tell it is all speculation :-)



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Newsgroups: ont.general
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: tap@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Plate)
Subject: Re: Men's Attitudes (Was: Take Back The Night)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:07:22 GMT

marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.082707.16309@gov.on.ca> 
>(Peter Renzland) writes: 
>        ....
>> About the spelling -- what precisely is wrong with the spelling of "womyn"?

>        It connects too well with the cute spelling of girls' names
>        "with a Y", associated with airheads. Perception is
>        everything.

Oh No!  I spell my name with "y".  I'm an airhead!

Tony Plate
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: rnkazman@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Rick Kazman)
Subject: Re: Riding Bicycles at Night
Keywords: get a light!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:21:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.070525.475@hpb.hwc.ca>, mgoddard@ehd.hwc.ca (Michael Goddard) writes:
 .
 .
 .
> 
> 2) What lighting systems meet the legal requirements, are effective
> and aren't readily stolen from parked bicycles?
> 

I don't know what the legal requirements in Ontario are.  However, one
reasonable compromise solution is to get a halogen front and rear light
(Union makes several of these for their generator sets) and pair them with
a smallish lead-acid battery--something like 4 amp-hour.  A batter this
small will fit into a water-bottle holder (in fact, some companies provide
their batteries in a water bottle casing for just this reason) and the lights
can be affixed to the bike with butterfly nut plastic clamps.  I have such
a system which I use for touring and for those days when I might be taking
short rides which might not end until dusk.  It's reasonably light, as lights
go (I would guess around 2 kg.), fairly cheap to assemble, and can be 
removed very quickly (this is the only sure way to avoid loss).

rick

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Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson)
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:49:22 GMT

In article <14777@ember.UUCP> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>Radical idea:
 
  ...

>Make all of Canada a local phone call.

  Works for me.
  I wish I could remember which sf author talked about the earth
being turned into a local calling area on Dec. 31, 1999. I believe
that there was still phone calls that would get LD charges... visions
of pepsi ads fill my head.





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From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Junk FAX
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:30:15 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

Digger@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Digger) writes:

> This happened to me (not from the same people though) and what I did was
> this.  Luckilly, I knew the fax number of the sender.  I wrote on two legal
> sized sheets of paper things to the effect of "Stop sending faxes to
> XXX-XXXX."  I then taped the two pages end to end, and fed one end into the
> fax machine.  I dialed up the sender and sent the fax.  Before it was
> finished, I taped the end coming out of the fax to the end about to go in,
> and voila!  Instant mega-fax!  Since it's a loop, it'll keep sending until
> you stop it.  I let it go for 15 or 20 minutes each call.  It wasted so
> much paper on their end, they took my number off the list within three
> calls.
> 
> I felt much better after that. :-)

Of course, this is much easier when you have a fax board, an using
WinFax or the like.

"printint file <coredump> on printer fax:0, 897812 bytes."

Any suggestions as to what extra kinds of pages to attach? Possibly
photocopies of the criminal code regarding telecommunications
solicitation?

/kc

Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
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Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Riding Bicycles at Night
From: mgoddard@ehd.hwc.ca (Michael Goddard)
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:05:24 
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada
Keywords: get a light!

Rick...

That was a timely and useful post, thanks for bringing the topic up.

It has prompted me to ask a couple of questions that I keep meaning to
learn more about.

1) What are the legal requirements for bicycle lighting, and do they
apply for the 30 minutes before sunset to 30 minutes after sunset?

2) What lighting systems meet the legal requirements, are effective
and aren't readily stolen from parked bicycles?

                                                  ....[Michael]
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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: free trade, memory prices, memory wholesalers
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:34:40 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov12.153720.19585@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov12.085333.1026@bkj386.uucp> brian@bkj386.uucp
|>(Brian Jenkins) writes:
|>>The work we do now is exceedingly more
|>>sophisticated -- and the law requires it -- than could have been done
|>>40 years ago.
|>
|>     This is part of what I was trying to say, albeit clumsily.  I doubt
|>that there are fewer actuaries around now than there were before
|>computers became common.  While computers have taken over some mundane

We do different things than we used to.  Watch some old movies.  For
example, "The Apartment".  All the characters work for an insurance
company - enormous barns of rows of desks with typewriters, rollodex(tm)
files, one-line black phones.  Many of those people did totally routine
billing, which is now totally automatable.

Productivity is a slippery concept - value added is a little easier to
quantify.
                                                                 
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       "Millions for defence, not one cent for tribute!"
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From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: ont.general,tor.general,alt.dcom.telecom,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk FAX
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:35:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto

In article <1992Nov9.133800.24913@analsyn.gts.org> anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward) writes:
>If some promotion company uses an autodialer and tape message to keep
>calling me, soliciting for support for tax reform, to think of just one
>subject I have been harassed by, I can call Bell and complain, and eventually 
>get something done.
>
>How about FAXes ?
>I am getting faxes sent in the early hours to my home number from
>
>	Mark Muchnick
>	World Computers Ltd
>	Seattle, WA
>
>Not only is this information of no interest or relevance to me, but it
>comes a couple of times a week between 4am and 6am.  

If a legitimate business is sending you unwanted faxes, the best way to get
the faxes to stop is to ask the company to stop.
 
This will work quite well if the company is spending the cost of a long-distance
call to get the fax to you.

On the other hand, one Toronto-based company that operates
several 976 numbers likes to send out faxes promoting those
numbers. It seems to ignore requests to remove fax machines
from the junk fax list.

But in your case, a one-paragraph letter sent by fax should work
quite nicely.

The same thing applies for local travel agencies, computer dealers
and office supply dealers, who don't generally want to annoy
people unncessarily.

Nigel Allen
From: Digger@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Digger)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Junk FAX
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:21:15 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

> I felt much better after that. :-)

 SOD> Of course, this is much easier when you have a fax board, an using
 SOD> WinFax or the like.
 SOD> "printint file <coredump> on printer fax:0, 897812 bytes."
 SOD> Any suggestions as to what extra kinds of pages to attach? Possibly
 SOD> photocopies of the criminal code regarding telecommunications
 SOD> solicitation?

NOW you're talking!

Rick.

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From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Junk FAX
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:25:40 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans)  writes:

> Draft up a very reasonable looking letter thanking the person for
> trying out your new fax checking service.  State that the fax just rec'd
> was looked over and seems to work quite well.  State also that this was
> a free first time offer and that subsequent faxes to your number will
> result in a bill of ($50/$100/whatever).  Tell them no reply is necessary,
> that receiving their next fax will constitute acceptance of these terms.
> 
> In the States, the people have tried this have not only been able to stop
> the faxes but sometimes get the money 'owed' them when the accounting dep't
> rec'd their bill. <g>
> 
> You can also try a variation with telephone solicitors.

Recently people here in Ontario (? anyone remember where?) did this
regarding junk mail. They mailed out notices to the companies mailing
them that each subsequent mailing after a certain date would cost them
$10/piece of mail. (Keep it realistic so it lives in court.)

When it did come to trial, after only one of a dozen wouldnt stop, the
couple won the $500 some-odd from the company. (And got the other 11 to
stop.)

Anyone have more accurate details?

I am thinking of setting up my BBS (public access usenet) number as my
fax receiving number. I am a bit aprehensive about this due to lack of
disk space, not to mention time left for BBS users since each fax would
be rec'd as a tiff file. Its a tradeoff between risk, convienience and
the cost of getting another phone line. Anything else I should consider?
Anyone have experience with this?

/kc

Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
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of American pop culture, and we live in a sad society that tolrates it."
                                                      - NIMROD
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