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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battle in history ?
Keywords: decisive battles
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:18:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.143354.23889@nntp.hut.fi> c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:
>OK, folks, 'ere it comes ! This is my list of the most decisive battles ever
>(in chronological order)
>
>13. The Mongol China campaign, 1234
>
>Sung empire was destroyed by the Mongols without pitched battles, but taking
>the key cities of Jingdu, Gaifeng and Lo Yang, the Chinese empire collapsed,
>leaving the Mongols as the rulers of China. The Mongol Imperial Era was begun.
>
This is wrong.  What the Mongols defeated in 1234 was the Jing(kim), the 
Manchurian Dynasty in Northern China, which pushed the Song(Sung) down 
south 1 century eariler, the Song was the last one being wiped out in 
the region in 1279AD, for the first time in history China was completely 
conquered and ruled by a normad race.  

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From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:24:49 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>From article <Btnonv.63K@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych):
>> Cannae

>Tactically or strategically decisive?  Strategically, certainly Zama
>would take first place in that war.

Tactically, obviously.  I took 'decisive' to mean either tactically _or_
strategically successful battles, as I believe my list somewhat shows.  No
flames intended, I just wanted to clarify myself...

>> Midway

>Definitely.

>I would vote for Stalingrad and Gaugamela.

Or how about the Moscow Counteroffensive, December 1941 or the Golan Heights
in 1973 (Israeli defense) - both strategic victories, IMHO...

Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battle in history?
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:32:25 GMT

Because I can't decide what was the most important battle in Winter
War (-:, I nominate the battle on the Karelian Isthmus, 9 June 1944
through 16 July 1944, in which the Finnish army stopped the Russian
invasion, as the most decisive battle in Finnish history.

Had the Russians been able to break through Finnish positions,
nowadays Finland would be recovering her independence like the Baltic
states.
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: Clearing cities with non-lethal gas (Baghdad here we come :-)
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:08:37 GMT
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.

1. You are not allowed to use chemical agents in warfare,
   including tear-gas.
2. Soldiers are likely to have good protection against it,
   but few civilians.
-- 
 Urban Fredriksson urf@icl.se (Or: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)
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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battle in history?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:14:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.053225.25236@cs.joensuu.fi> hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen) writes:
>Because I can't decide what was the most important battle in Winter
>War (-:, I nominate the battle on the Karelian Isthmus, 9 June 1944
>through 16 July 1944, in which the Finnish army stopped the Russian
>invasion, as the most decisive battle in Finnish history.
>
>Had the Russians been able to break through Finnish positions,
>nowadays Finland would be recovering her independence like the Baltic
>states.


I can clearly see the co-patriotism of my fellow countrymen, but personally
I would not consider the battles of Winter and Continuation Wars "decisive"
in the sense of global significance. Of course, they were clearly critical
for us, Finns, but in the course of WWII they were just battles among others.
In the Finnish shistory they were, of course the most decisive.

The merit the Finns gained during the Winter war battles was, among saving
the independence of our country, that they showed the world the Soviet war
machine was not such an unstoppable steamroller they had propagized it to be
before the war. Therefore the outcome of the Winter War (that Finland could
defend herself against USSR successfully) perhaps influenced the Nazi leader-
ship to make their plan for the Russsian conquest, and count on the poor
quality of the Red Army, which they eventually miscalculated.






  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Summary: Question concerning "decisive battles"
Keywords: battles, list
Reply-To: COWAN@ANL.GOV
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:17:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Aug27.144627.26705@nntp.hut.fi> c34657b@saha.hut.fi writes:

: 
: Not a long time ago there was a thread about the greatest general for ever
: (and the worst ever). Since time has passed, it is now the time to ask
: which have been the most decisive battle/s in the history ?
: 
: You may answer any or make your list. My own top twenty will follow soon.
: 
:   ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++

Please define, by "decisive" do you mean "one-sided" or "critical in
determining subsequent history"?


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From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Most decisive battle . . .
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:55:31 GMT

One battle not yet mentioned that was decisive in two senses: Nomonhan, 1939.

Soviet forces under Zhukov *decisively* defeated Japanese forces, and this
severe result led the Japanese to *decide* against further operations against
Soviet Russia. Thus did Zhukov's victory secure the Soviet Far East against
Japanese aggression during 1939-1941.


Robert George
(speaking only for myself)

"The very essence of individual freedom is equal justice under a rule of
law, a law to which every man shall be subject and which no executive
can modify."
    Senator Robert Taft , March 11, 1944
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,alt.war
From: g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries)
Subject: The Tartars and how they raped East Germany in 1945.
Summary: politics
Keywords: politics
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:38:16 GMT

The West was founded on the diamond-tipped couched 
lance. The Gothic church forbade the use of the
crossbow in Agora wars and only sanctioned its
use against the Barbarian from the East.

It was always War with the East.
Remember Godfrey de Bouillon, Richard the Lionheart,
Karl de Grosse.

Shaka must not be used against the Barbarian however
much they beg - only for training troops. Kruger
was the only one to understand this.

If plasma fusion is a myth we must drive North through
Africa for the oil-fields. 

Rowing boats for the rivers. Water (after air) is the 
primary strategic resource. Mountain peaks become
key points - hence hang-gliders and solo rock climbers
and haho (high-altitude high opening) parachutists.

We rowed a log today in the regatta. Please Rhodes,
fibre-glass.
Wing
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:00:44 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <Btnonv.63K@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych):
> Cannae

Tactically or strategically decisive?  Strategically, certainly Zama
would take first place in that war.

> Midway

Definitely.

I would vote for Stalingrad and Gaugamela.


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Newsgroups: alt.war
From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Subject: The most decisive battles in history ?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:46:27 GMT


Not a long time ago there was a thread about the greatest general for ever
(and the worst ever). Since time has passed, it is now the time to ask
which have been the most decisive battle/s in the history ?

You may answer any or make your list. My own top twenty will follow soon.

  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Gas = Stupidity
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.202309.3904@pica.army.mil> erudnick@claudius.pica.army.mil (Edward J. Rudnicki ) writes:
>DanZ writes:
>
[I disparaged the utility of gas weapons.]

>
>Not true, Dan. Chemical weapons can be exceedingly effective under the right
>circumstances; that's what makes them so tempting to folks like Saddam.
>
   My first reaction is that if they are effective, how come no modern army
uses them? Bombing was considered immoral until it was determined to be
effective, and then when it bacame common, nobody complained about morality
anymore.

>After the introduction of mustard during the Great War, chemical weapons
>accounted for about one third of Allied casualties.

     And yet the German lost. Perhaps it has the ability to cause casualties,
but without the ability to give military advantage.

>
>Delivered by artillery or aircraft, nonpersistent agents pose little
>hazard to one's own troops.

   But you cannot operate your troops in close proximity to the agent. I think
this destroys most of it's military utility.

>Persistent agents like mustard can deny an area to the enemy without
>requiring covering troops

    In unihabited areas, and in good weather, maybe. But it would be an
ecological disaster to continuosly cover and area with chemical waepons.

>Mustard was extensively
>used by the Germans as a counterbattery weapon, requiring far less
>expenditure of munitions than HE.
>
   May have been of use back then, but with modern mobile artillery, it won'
be effective. Besides, I bet the chemical weapons were more expensive than the
equivalent amount of HE.

>The requirement to use protective clothing is also a useful effect: Put
>a couple of persistent vesicant or nerve agent projectiles into the
>enemy's AO. They put on full protective gear. Heat casualties ensue just
>a couple of hours later. This is the "deterrent" effect - "I can make
>you just as miserable as you can make me".
>
   Useful in a defensive situation, but maybe not worth the effects. 
Particularly if you are defending in your own country. I'm sure that chemical
gear is to the advantage of the defense.

>Against unprotected troops with no retaliatory capability, mustard can be
>devastating: Italians in Ethiopia and Iran-Iraq War.
>
   Anything is devestating to the unprotected. We certainly don't need to
discuss the use of military force against undefended targets.

DanZ


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:39:16 EDT
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: open letter to a political prisoner

What?

Mitch
Quest Laboratories
Terraforming Division

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From: boas@uni-paderborn.de (Boas Simon)
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:28:38 GMT

HI,

Okay, ich bin zwar kein Schwabe (Gott sei Dank!) aber einen hab ich 
auch:
In article <BtHoIu.JK1@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch) writes:
|> 
|> Hat wer andere Vorschlaege fuer den besten?
|> 

Pferdle zu Aeffle: Was wuerdst dir denn wuensche ?
Affle: I wuenscht, i waer a Mainzelmaennle und koennt oimohl
"Gudn Aaaaabnd" sogn. 

Das ist der beste, den ich bis jetzt gesehen habe.

Gruss,	Boas
-- 
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  PC-Administration        |  being relevant in the future :  MS-DOS"
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From: bsmajows@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Boris Majowski)
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 18:07:06 GMT

erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch) writes:

>Also, mein Lieblingssketch ist der wo des Aeffle auf Stelzen laeuft
>und des Pferdle sagt: Wachse muesch, ne bescheisse!

>Hat wer andere Vorschlaege fuer den besten?
damit dich ueberhaupt jmd hoert, solltest du das in eine gruppe lenken,
die ausser dir noch jmd liest.

so wie alt.fan.schaben

oder de.alt.flame

aber du wirst das schon noch lernen

>Edgar.

Boris!
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From: erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch)
Subject: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 13:08:54 GMT

Also, mein Lieblingssketch ist der wo des Aeffle auf Stelzen laeuft
und des Pferdle sagt: Wachse muesch, ne bescheisse!

Hat wer andere Vorschlaege fuer den besten?

Edgar.

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From: erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch)
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 19:12:28 GMT

bsmajows@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Boris Majowski) writes:

>damit dich ueberhaupt jmd hoert, solltest du das in eine gruppe lenken,
>die ausser dir noch jmd liest.

>so wie alt.fan.schaben
>aber du wirst das schon noch lernen

>Boris!

He Kiste!
Hast Du Dir alt.fan.schaben mal angesehen heute?
Da steht ein Verweis drauf drin.
Ich bin ja auch wieder nicht soooooooo doof.
Ausserdem mach DU lieber Diplomarbeit. (sagt der richtige, ich weiss)

Ciao, Edgar.

--------------------------------------------------------
Edgar Hellfritsch                                  |/
NOCH Student der FAU Erlg.-Nbg.                   (o)
e-mail erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de    uu )o
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NOCH Student der FAU Erlg.-Nbg.                   (o)
e-mail erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de    uu )o
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From:  ()
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Followup-To: alt.aeffle.und.pferdle,alt.fan.schwaben,alt.fan.lothar.spaeth,rec.car.mercedes
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:18 GMT

In article <BtI2Bv.F4@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, 
>Hat wer andere Vorschlaege fuer den besten?
> damit dich ueberhaupt jmd hoert, solltest du das in eine gruppe lenken,
> die ausser dir noch jmd liest.
> 
> so wie alt.fan.schaben
> 
> oder de.alt.flame
> 
> aber du wirst das schon noch lernen

Ich hoer doch, spreche aber nicht komisch.

- Erik Rauch
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From: erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch)
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:48:33 GMT

boas@uni-paderborn.de (Boas Simon) writes:
>Pferdle zu Aeffle: Was wuerdst dir denn wuensche ?
>Affle: I wuenscht, i waer a Mainzelmaennle und koennt oimohl
>"Gudn Aaaaabnd" sogn. 
>Das ist der beste, den ich bis jetzt gesehen habe.

>Gruss,	Boas

Ja, der ist geil. Den kannte ich noch gar nicht. Muss was neueres sein. (?)

Gruss, Edgar

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 And as you travel life's highway,                (o)
 Don't forget to stop and see the turnips.        uu )o
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From: bsmajows@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Boris Majowski)
Subject: Re: Wachse muuesch, net bscheisse!!!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 10:15:56 GMT

erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch) writes:

>bsmajows@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Boris Majowski) writes:

>>damit dich ueberhaupt jmd hoert, solltest du das in eine gruppe lenken,
>>die ausser dir noch jmd liest.

>>so wie alt.fan.schaben
>>aber du wirst das schon noch lernen

>>Boris!

>He Kiste!
a pro po kiste ...
was ist eine :
"grawallschachtl" ???
(ober, mittel, und unterfranken, und solche, die sich dafuer halten, sind von der teilnahme ausgeschlossen)

>Hast Du Dir alt.fan.schaben mal angesehen heute?
grad eben :-)

>Da steht ein Verweis drauf drin.
nit moeeeechlich 

>Ich bin ja auch wieder nicht soooooooo doof.
das nicht ....
aber ein moechtegernschwabe

>Ausserdem mach DU lieber Diplomarbeit. (sagt der richtige, ich weiss)
wer im glashaus sitzt ....


>Ciao, Edgar.
Boris!

>--------------------------------------------------------
>Edgar Hellfritsch                                  |/
>NOCH Student der FAU Erlg.-Nbg.                   (o)
aber nicht mehr lange :-)

>e-mail erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de    uu )o
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>---
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>Edgar Hellfritsch                                  |/
>NOCH Student der FAU Erlg.-Nbg.                   (o)
>e-mail erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de    uu )o
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Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 08:48:29 EST
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.
 <1992Aug31.235201.4170@stortek.com>

Netters,

Right on.

Steve has no life so he is a professional witch hunter. Get a life and a job.

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From: ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 883->1200 (was Re: Sportster availability.)
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:25:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug20.231009.18299@ncsu.edu> bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>In article <29d103bc66Ki00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>|>In article <1992Aug18.202620.9146@ryn.mro4.dec.com> dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com writes:
>|>>
>|>>You can convert an 883 motor to a 1200 motor for about $500-600
>|>
>|>This is something I had not heard before! Really, give me details. I love my 
>|>883 but it *is* slow for passing and highway riding. I could never outrun the 
>|>cops on it :-)  Tell me more... please! 

UK cops are apparently testing the Honda ST1100 pan-european...eek...gonna 
need a FAST bike to out-run that...

>
>Check out the Harley Accessory catalog.  All of the parts are available direct
>from HD as part of the Screaming Eagle performance accessories.  Basically,
>you swap the pistons and jugs from a 1200 onto the 883 bottom end.  Fairly
>straightforward conversion...  I'm pretty sure you use the same heads.
>
>If I remember correctly, checking the specs between the 3 size motors shows
>the 883 and 1200 have common stroke length, and the 1200 and 1340 have common
>bore diameter.  My guess is the 1200 was an easy cross between the two.

hmmmm...does that mean you can build a 1340 sportster?
:-)
guess you'd need a bigger gas tank on it tho'...


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From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:23:58 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug27.112122.1414@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:
>Perhaps you'd like to know what happens (socially) to women who ride
>motorbikes, in particular those who make a hobby of it and take it
>seriously.

>You wouldn't? I'll tell you anyway.  We end up single and miserable,
>because all the guys think of us as buddies, and therefore don't even
>consider the idea of forming Relationships with us.  They all seem to
>want brainless bimbos for girlfriends.

>At least, that's my personal experience.  I've given up trying to find
>motorcycling partners.  I find computer nerds are usually better value.

>(Okay, so I'm bitter about this. I reckon I've got a right to be.)


>-- 
>  -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=-
>        lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz                      Vote for MMP!
>   DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586

Wow! Sorry to hear this. I certainly don't feel that way.

Don't suppose you make to Dallas very often, do you?

Matthew
(can't stand "brainless bimbos")
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