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From: julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey)
Subject: Really Closed?
Organization: The hole in the wall. Hollywood
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:52:40 GMT


	If I access a closed repeater only using Morris, would the
trustees object?


-- 
Julian Macassey at bongo. julian@bongo.tele.com Voice: (213) 653-4495
Paper Mail: 742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue, Hollywood, California 90046-7142
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:17:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Here's a hypothetical situation I've been wondering about:
>
>Say I'm a ham operator (hopefully in the next few months!) and I have a
>favorite frequency (not claiming it of course) that I like to conduct
>QSO's on.  My friends have shortwave receivers and I tell them to tune
>to that frequency if they want to hear me on the radio.
>
>My transmissions are not meant to be one way, for them, so does this
>violate the no one-way broadcasting rule?
>
>I'm conducting normal QSO's in this situation, not acknowelding that
>my friends are listening (saying hello to them, etc.).
>
>Is this legal??

Yes. Tipping your SWL friends off to frequencies you will be likely
to use is not a problem as long as you aren't intending to do one
way transmissions directed at them.

>Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
>Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
>shortwave listeners?

Sure. It's less common today than when we were operating AM, but it
still happens from time to time. Most hams who QSL, not all do, will
reply to a SWL card.

Gary
-- 
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
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In rec.radio.amateur.misc, little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (nuts2u::little) writes:

>I just finished building a bread board version of the dual gate MOSFET 10 
>meter preamp described in the ARRL Handbook.  My problem is that I can't
>get the thing to function properly.  At the moment it operates more as an
>attenuator than an amplifier.  

>I can peak the variable capacitor, but find very little change in signal
>strength when adjusting the slug tuned coil.  The coil is one I wound
>myself on a form a salvaged from another coil.

If you can get a peak by tuning the capacitor, then that implies that
the coil must be the right value.  Is the MOSFET drawing current?
Measure the voltage drop across the 100 ohm drain resistor.  You 
ought to measure at least a few tenth's of a volt drop across it. 
Check the Gate 2 voltage.  It should be about 2/3 of the power supply
voltage.  If not, either the FET is bad (shorted gate) or the bias
network is wrong.  

MOSFET's are very static-sensitive.  It's quite possible you punctured
a gate when you installed it.  The best technique is to wrap several
turns of fine stranded wire around the leads before installation
(and remove the wire when the part is soldered into the circuit.)

In summary:  check the DC operation of the circuit first.  Then check
the coils and capacitors.

AL N1AL
From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed repeaters
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:18:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbootay.sw.stratus.com

In article <C0A7J9.7tL@NeoSoft.com>, jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan02.200308.16355@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
|> >If you want to park your $10K machine on a public frequency, then you should
|> >expect it to be used as a public utility.  If you are not expecting that,
|> >then you should move out of the way so that others can use the frequency.
|> 
|> Think of it in these terms...  The public highway system is available to
|> anyone who has a drivers license.  If you choose to ride the city bus, you 
|> can do this for 75 cents and get to your destination.  If I choose to buy
|> a Porsche, I spend $30,000 and get to my destination.  We are both using the
|> same public road.  
|> 
|> Does your right to drive on a public road give you the right to use my Porsche
|> anytime you want, for free, just because you have a drivers license?  No it
|> doesn't.

You're right on that point, but you aren't comparing things quite right.

You want to park your 30k two-seater in one of the lanes of a public road
for your own use 24 hours a day.  No one else can use that lane because you
left your car parked in the middle of the street.  Maybe a few times a day
you or a friend will use the car, but most of the time it just sits there.
Your car takes up space and blocks the lane from use even when you aren't
using it.  Kind of like the "Bob" car ads.  "Oh it's you Bob"  Great ad,
but not realistic.

Public roads don't have lanes set aside for just one user.  It you aren't
actually driving you can't park your car in "your" lane and expect it
not to get towed, or worse.  If your repeater isn't open to all you
shouldn't expect others to avoid that frequency just so that you never have
to listen to or bother with other hams.  It doesn't work that way on the
road either.  At rush hour you have to share the lanes.  Other drivers aren't
required to avoid using a certain lane just because you don't want to deal
with them while driving your 30k car.  In the middle of the night you can
usually have a lane all to yourself, but when things get crowded you have
to share.  Even in the dead of night you can't just park your car in a lane
while you sleep and expect everyone else to never use that lane.

Would be nice to have it that way, but that isn't how public property works.
If you have a private machine that you don't want the unwashed masses to
use turn it off when you aren't talking on it.  When you want to use it and
the frequency isn't in use, turn it back on for the duration of the QSO.
When you are done turn it back off.  A couple of DTMF tones and the problem
of unwanted use is solved.  In the mean time someone else can make use of
the public frequency while your not using it.  Ham radio frequencies are
public property, NOT private club houses.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: 6 Meter Radio Shack HTs!
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<PHR.93Jan3035445@napa.telebit.com> <1i6oanINN5pc@rave.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:46:05 GMT


  Yup, the units I used had a crystal-controlled transmitter and an
  independantly-tuned receiver that relied on an LC circuit.  How selective
  was it?  Not very.... it can pick up half the band, it seems.  I'm quite
  happy with the transmit performance, but the receiver stinks.

Hmmm... non-selective receiver, and probably lacks other familiar
HT amenities like a touch tone pad.  Which suggests the next obvious
upgrade step: how about converting a 49 mhz CORDLESS PHONE to 6 meters?
Those are fairly cheap (sometimes), have selective receivers (since
they operate on several channels), and a tone pad built right in!

The alternative would be to program your repeater controller to
decode the morse code you send with the Morse button present on those
dime store HT's.  Then when your yuppie neighbor pulls out his cellular
phone, you pull out your Ninja Turtle HT and key up your autopatch
with your secret decoder ring.  I hope you didn't get one of those no-code
licenses! :-)
From: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PC repeater controller (WAS Re: WANTED: Repeater controller comments)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:23:09 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>Why can't someone make a repeater controller out of a simple 
>personal computer (286 class), with maybe a relay box controlled
>by the parallel port, and perhaps a Soundblaster to do voice ID
>and sample the audio input for tone decoding etc?  What do those
>fancy repeater controller boxes get for you besides nice packaging
>with RF shielding (admittedly worth something)?

There have been articles in ham magazines about using a PC for a
repeater controller.  (I saw one in 73 several years ago).  There are
several disadvantages. 

First is durability.  My site ranges in temperature from 30 degrees F
winter and over 100 degrees F in the summer.  I don't think many of
the PC components could take that (disk drives, power supplies, 
connectors)  My site also gets dusty.  Not good on exposed connectors
like on the PC bus.  Repeater controllers are also engineered to
take minor electrical discharge, like near-strike lightning.  PC's
are not.

Another is crash-protection.  Repeater controllers generally have a
watchdog timer to restart the CPU if the software crashes.  I know a
stock 8088 doesn't have a watchdog! (My wimpy 8088 crashes a lot!)

You already mentioned RF shielding.  I cannot use my HT's around my
PC.  Most repeaters use preamps which could pick up even more
PC's hash than my HT.

It can be done, but the challenges are many.  I wouldn't expect
to see any commercial solutions.  Of course, running Commander Keen
on a repeater controller does sound interesting. :-)


-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
 Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: taber@cimfie.enet.dec.com (PStJTT)
Subject: Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  5 JAN 93 13:44:06    


In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes...
> 
>Here's a hypothetical situation I've been wondering about:
> 

STOP!  Let the first lesson on being an A-1 Operator be: do not 
speculate on hypothetical situations.  Almost every question that draws 
a zillion replies of pure crap on rec.radio.... is caused by a 
hypothetical question.  It draws armchair lawyers like garbage draws 
flies....

>Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
> 
>Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
>shortwave listeners?
> 
>A long time ago I was actually tempted to do this (send a reception report
>to a ham I heard on the air) but the signal faded before I could hear
>the address he was giving.
> 

You should have pursued it.  Every ham I know is tickled to receive 
an SWL report.  When I designed a new QSL card that had a check box to 
specify either 2-way QSO or SWL confirmation, it was a big hit.

>>>==>PStJTT
From: gleason@mwk.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:28:32 CST
Organization: M. W. Kellogg, Houston TX

>>
>>by the way...has anyone ever used tried to modulate old oven parts???
>>Seems like a good project for someone with an oven they don't use any
>>more...
> 

  There was a construction articel in "73" magazine within the last few
years about how to do this.


Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
gleason@mwk.uucp
713/681-3985
From: eckman@eos1.larc.nasa.gov (Richard Eckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HA5BUS on CNN
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:39:45 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: eos1.larc.nasa.gov

  I saw a story today (Sunday) on Headline News regarding a group
of Hungarians going around the world in a bus.  While amateur radio
was never mentioned, the bus did take an identical itinerary to
that of HA5BUS, so I have to assume that they are one and the same.
Also, the side of the bus mentioned the 'Globex Foundation'.
  Seems like these guys have fallen on difficult times.  Their
bus was seized by US customs in Long Beach, CA because the foundation
sponsoring the tour went bankrupt and they couldn't meet the shipping
costs.  Unless they can come up with $7000, the bus will be auctioned
off.
  Can anyone confirm if these guys are indeed the HA5BUS expedition?


Richard Eckman  KO4MR
NASA Langley
eckman@dobson.larc.nasa.gov
From: oler@rho.uleth.CA (Cary Oler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 06 January
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:08:36 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: License delays
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 14:56:56 GMT

Amateur licenses are processed by two workers at the FCC.  All
applications are processed in serial order.  Applications are
processed on Tuesdays and mailed on Thursdays.  As of December 28,
1992, the FCC estimated 12 to 14 week processing delay after
applications are received.

VECs have 10 days to process applications and forward to the FCC.

This information courtesy of N8OQP who called the FCC headquarters
in Gettysburg.

Think of it as ample time to shop for that new rig.


-- 
Bill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: karayan@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (karayannopoulos,george)
Subject: CQ GREECE
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:21:52 GMT

I need to get some info on amateur radio in Greece.  Specifically:

1) What license classes exist in Greece, with what priviledges?

2) What are the requirements for becoming a ham in Greece (exams, etc.)?

3) Being a US amateur, how can I get a Greek license to operate from
Greece?

4) How do Greek hams use Morse code for SV-SV QSOs in Greek?  Is there
a Greek version of Morse code and how can I get a copy?
(Need to start practicing now if I want to operate in Greece next 
summer :-)  

73
___________________________________________________________________
George Karayannopoulos              N2OWO
karayan@cc.bellcore.com             Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lkay@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (leonard kay)
Subject: Re: CQ rtty experts...
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:05:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.110308.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, jcraig@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
> 
> 
>    I built a RTTY demod and wrote a simple prog to read the 
> serial port so I could copy RTTY on my PC. Unfortunately, most 
> RTTY is baudot (5 bit) and not the 8 bit ACII which I can copy.
>    If anyone has a source code ( C or BASIC) or algorithm or
> even a few ideas on how to copy baudot with a PC using a simple demod,
> I'd be very grateful if I could procure same.
> 
> 73
> Joe, VO1NA
> --


Check out the /mirrors/msdos/hamradio directory at the wu.archive
ftp site. I have an old AEA CP-1 TU which is also just a demod
and I use RTTY12G, which I downloaded. There are a couple others
in that directory also. I don't remember any having source code, tho.
Good luck!

73, Len


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: How to get started?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:31:07 GMT

In article <#-41H1euzb@atlantis.psu.edu> CLF@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Christopher L Frame) writes:
>	I'm interested in how to get started with a ham-radio.  I don't own
>one, but have recently discovered a reason for getting one.  
>	Anyone have any suggestions on what I should purchase?  I don't want to
>shell out ALOT of money, so a generic system is fine.
>	My only requirement is that I be able to communicate over a distance of
>no less than 200 miles.

Without knowing more about how far exactly, time of day, local terrain,
etc. it would be very difficult to make a suggestion at this point.  Also,
there's a great price range of available equipment, so your budget
constraints would be helpful.

Now unless you have very high possibilities for antennas, 
your minimum needs will probably require operation in the HF frequency
bands which requires a Novice license at the minimum.

>	I also heard that a ham license is required.  How much is it? 

As above, you'll need a Novice license.  The issue isn't cost (free), its
the time and effort you'll need to pass the test required to obtain the
license.  If you have even a mundane science background, the "theory"
part of the novice test shouldn't take more than a cursory review, but
you'll also need to study the federal regulations aspect of the license
test also.  Additionally, the Novice license requires passing a 5 word
per minute morse code test (5 wpm = 25 characters a minute).  

For more information, pick-up one of the Amateur Radio License manuals
available at most Radio Shack stores or call an order "Now You're
Talking" from the Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL is the US organization
of hams) at 203-666-1541.

One note - You don't indicate what you need to communicate the 200+
miles for.  Please be aware that Amateur Radio can NOT be used for
commercial purposes.
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL cards from SWLers (was Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:53:30 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In <1icp0aINNmiv@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes
|In article <1993Jan5.161735.17871@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu
|>(Simon E. Booth) writes:
|> >Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
|> >Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
|> >shortwave listeners?
|> Sure. It's less common today than when we were operating AM, but it
|> still happens from time to time. Most hams who QSL, not all do, will
|> reply to a SWL card.
|
|What does one reply to a SWL card?  I got one recently, and didn't realize
|that some sort of reply was appreciated.  Just a note saying thanks? or is
|there something more that should be done?  I'd hate to leave the guy hanging
|if he's expecting some sort of reply...

I just got my first one the other day, after being on HF for only
months, and just in the novice subbands as well.  It was from the
non-ham son of a silent key.  His SWL card resembles a QSL; it has a
number not unlike a call sign.  The most unusual part of it is
probably that he (correctly) reported me calling CQ around 3.7 Mhz.
He included a nice little explanatory note and an SASE, so how could I
refuse (since I do QSL)?

I sent him a QSL with the "confirming two-way contact with" crossed
off, suitable text inserted, and the usual type of friendly note.  If
he had heard an actual contact I probably would have provided the same
QSL as I would have sent my contact, with a notation saying it was an
SWL QSL for <name> and <"call sign">.

Who assigns these "call signs"?

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
              N1MNF  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CTCSS 
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:02:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.183258.17573@tijc02.uucp> eri316@tijc02.uucp (Ed Ingraham         ) writes:
>All this discussion of closed vs open repeaters and CTCSS (which seems 
>such an attractive solution) brings up the question:
>
>If two stations transmit at the same time on the input of a repeater,
>one with the CTCSS which the repeater uses and one without, what comes out
>of the repeater transmitter?
>
>If the CTCSS signal is stronger, he comes through. Otherwise, nothing. Right?

Well there are three cases. In the first case, the CTCSS user captures
the repeater receiver and is repeated with virtually no interference.
The second case is that the non-CTCSS station captures the receiver
and the repeater doesn't activate. The third case is the messy one.
That's where neither signal fully captures the receiver yet the CTCSS
is decoded. Then you get the typical doubling hetrodyne. Usually though,
if the receiver can decode the CTCSS, the desired station will be
intelligble.

Gary

-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: Mike_Beezley.houstoncssc@xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Packet-Radio List
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:13:59 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I bailed out of the Packet-Radio list a couple of years ago and now find the
old address doesn't work anymore.  Did the list die or has it changed to some
other location?  I'm getting back into packet now and am fascinated with Phil
Karn's NET and TCP/IP.

73 de N5PWP
__mike
MBeez.HoustonCSSC@Xerox.COM
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