Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:59:47 CET
From: <K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject:    Theoretical Discussion: Part Two


HELLO HERE, I'M AGAIN|                     LINZ, 1993-01-12

The Theme I'm talking about this time has some practical consequences:

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "ETHER-" AND "ASTRAL-PROJECTIONS":
  According to old traditions the individual can be splited into several
bodies (Brennen):

A) The physical body: Everyone knows it. It's build up with physical
                      matter.
B) The Ether-Body: It gives the physical body its shape and stability.
   You'll loose this body sometime after the physical death. (A second
   death). Its shape is always equal to that of the physical body.
   BUT the ether-body will never loose a arm, a finger,....( It is
   always complete - all life long|). Phantom-limb-pains are a conse-
   quence of this.

C) The "Astral-Body": Is totally different.
   It has a "basic"-shape not equal to that of the ether-body but you
   can change his form into what ever you wish only by thinking to do
   so.

These two bodies are build up with non-physical "finer" matter.
Especially the "astral-matter" has laws not comparable to that known in
physics. Thoughts creat forms not hands|
Dreams also take place in the astral-sphere.

D) "Higher" Mental-Body/ies: Sometimes called the "self". Robert Monroe
   mentioned in "Far Journeys" that he made journeys without any body (|||).
   He was just what may be called pure consciousness and left back a
   "second" non-physical body.

All these bodies (exept the physical) are built with non-physical matter /
energy and so noone can measure anything with conventional measuring
instrumens. Befor saying anything about non-physical matters scientists
should think over this.
REMARK: Dr. Duncan Mc Dougall determined the weight of the ether-body with
        60...75 gramms.


ETHER-PROJECTIONS:
The ether-body and all the other bodies leave the physical. It's important
for the seperating process that the you can't move your physical body,
because the ether-body is primarly responsible for the physical motions.
(Remember stories about people which are paralyzed without having any
physical defects|). So all methods which make the body immmovable can be
used.
You can go where ever you wish BUT you'll always stay in the physical
universe and you may feel the little weight of the ether-body.
Maybe you feel or see the astral-"cord" which connects the ether and
physical body.
  REMARK: I belief that a little part of the ether-body remains in the
physical and is linked with the rest of the ether-body by the astral-
"cord". If the astral-cord is torn the rest of the ether-body is free and
the physical body begins to dissolve.
  The ether-body leaves the physical every night (and sometime during a
dream - then you'll find some typical dream-symbols. - See Part One|)
to get fresh non-physical energy. (comparable to a battery).

ASTRAL-PROJECTIONS:
  The astral-body and (all) the mental-body/ies go away and the physical
and the hole ether-body stay back.
  To get an "astral-projection" you must just releax your body and mind
or you've an ether-projection and then "set your astral-body free".
(REMARK: someone mentioned in this group having an OOBE within an OOBE -
that's the explainations|)
  THE "ASTRAL-PLANE" AND THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE ARE OPEN TO YOU. - VISIT
who ever you wish (dead or alife)|
  Your dreams also happen in the asral-plane but all things are created
by you. (that's the reason why dream-interpretations works).
  Read Brennan and you'll know more about the astral-body and the astral-
plane|

"MENTAL-PROJECTIONS":
  The following ideas are mine but the I hope they may be useful to someone:

  Your (higher) "mental"-body(ies) are "set free". This requires an (what
may be called) higher spiritual development. So this will not happen very
often and reported. - I think Monroe is one of those people. He visited
worlds beyond space and time - worlds of "pure light and love".
  The way to do this: Never stop developing your mind| (This could last
many years.) Never say you are at the top of your development. (That's
very hard as you know).

  Now back to the earth. - There are so many things I didn't tell you but
I hope you know now what OOBE's are.

                                          Josef P}hringer
                                          physics-student, Austria

P.S.:  Maybe I'll find time in the future and then I'll tell you my
       thoughts about the consciousness of man.