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From: lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Mothers-in-law (Was differences between boys and girls)
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:28:53 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I guess I don't feel particularly close to my mother.  I have
always gotten along with men/boys better than with women/girls
anyway.  The odd thing is that I was never really a tomboy.  My
addition to this discussion is as the wife of one of four boys.
My mother-in-law does not seem to believe that she has lost a
son.  She definitely treats me as the daughter she never had.
She doesn't treat her other two daughters-in-law that way, so I
am not sure why she does it.  Maybe it's because I am the only
one who is still of child-bearing age.  She REALLY wants more
grandkids.  She has one still-unmarried son and is constantly
trying to figure out ways to get him married.
Linda
PS  I don't really get along with my mother-in-law any better or
    worse than I get along with my mother.  We just don't have
    much in common.  We live much closer to my husband's parents
    than to mine, so maybe my MIL feels less threatened than some.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: NutraSweet (Was: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:27:02 GMT



In article <1992Sep10.210035.2885@afit.af.mil>, mgaudrea@afit.af.mil
(Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
> ...She and the woman next to me (all three of us pregnant at the time)
> laughed at my husband and I when we indicated how strictly we were
> watching my diet...  

I know how you feel! Earlier in my pregnancy, my SO and I were visiting
his aunt and she offered to get me a beer or some other alcoholic drink
and I refused, whereupon she said, laughing, "What? Are you going to be
a 'good' mother or something?" She had just had a baby too but had drank
to her heart's content during her pregnancy and I have even caught her
feeding the baby wine through a straw. She and her husband were actually
making fun of me for not getting drunk with them that night. (Needless to
say, I don't visit them anymore and have even told my SO that that woman
is not allowed to so much as TOUCH our baby when it is born. Before someone
says I'm over-reacting, I should mention that she has had several charges
of child abuse also.)

-Jen (due 11-14)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.rural
From: bdewey@grok116.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bob Dewey)
Subject: Re: How big is an acre, Really?
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:20:26 GMT

In article <5bhx024m21XB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.232452.7217@trentu.ca>, xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate
>Gregory) writes:
>|> >3) How many acres in a plot 1/4 mile x 1/4 mile?
>|> Well, a mile is 5280 sq ft, so 1/4 mi is 1320 ft, or about 6 200
>|> fts.
>|> So I'd say 6x6=36. Since one of your exact answers was 40, I'd say
>|> the answer is 40.
>|
>|> This is why I've crossposted to misc.kids, where we're discussing
>|> whether estimating should be taught before 5 digit arithmetic.
>|> This was all done in my head.
>|> 
>|> Kate
>I'm not sure if this is funny or not, but if a mile is 5280 feet, a
>square mile is 5280*5280 square feet or 27878400 square feet.  1/4
>square mile is 6969600 square feet.  If one acre is .0015625 square 
>miles, than 1/4 square mile is .25/.0015625 acres or 160 acres, which
>makes sense since 640 acres is a square mile.
>Linda

You had better recalulate this.  The question was how may acres in
an area 1/4 mile square NOT 1/4 square mile.  Big difference.
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:39:03 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> This is very similar to our experience.  During my first pregnancy we thought
> of a boy's name that we both liked immediately, and never really did find one
> we felt great about for a girl.  Then my son was born.  Second pregnancy,
> thought of a lovely girl's name, and never settled on a boy name that we were
> as enthusiastic about.  And presto:  I had a daughter!
>
> Hmmm, maybe this should go under the sex-selection mythology...:)
>
> Ann Helmers

Same here, first with my daughter (I had her name picked out when I was
12ish) and my husband picked our son's name, but we didn't have a great
girl's name.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: mwcombs@apgea.army.mil (Maggie W. Combs <mwcombs>)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nursery Rhyme?
Keywords: Monday's Child
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:15:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Edgewood

Does anyone out there know the entire rhyme which starts out
Monday's child is full of grace
Tuesday's child is fair of face...

Someone asked me if I could remember what Sunday was and I drew a blank on
most of the rhyme.  Thanks in advance!
From: nan@ertou.ucsc.edu (Nan Ellman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute Kissing Stories (was Re: Cute Things They Do)
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:40:56 GMT
	<1992Sep11.203450.13521@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: /u/nan/.organization
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In-reply-to: jackie8@dasher.uucp's message of 11 Sep 92 20:34:50 GMT

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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Late night bottles
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:57:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: locus.1992Sep08.195701.2205325
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Just another data point -

My son drank a nighttime bottle of milk until his fourth birthday.  He has
no cavities and no problems with his teeth.  The only difference between him
and kids that get bottle mouth is, from what I can tell, the way he finished
the bottle at night.  Rather than fall asleep with it in his mouth (and
leaking milk into his mouth all night long), he would put the finished bottle
on his nightstand and go to bed.  Before that, he'd just pull it out of his
mouth and hold it while he slept.

My dauther, on the other hand, gave up bottles at a little over 2.  About
3 weeks after my son's fourth birthday.  Coincidence?  I think not :-)




-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stitches  (toe-nail)
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:39:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <gNDqqB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>Well, we just spent a bad night at the emergency room last night. (are
>there any *good* ones?) My 2YO son got hit in the head with his sister's

>afterward. It's bad watching them wrapping up your baby and doing the
>procedure, and you can't explain anything to your baby because he's too
>young to understand. At least it's over.
>


	Speaking of "good ones", last friday night my wife was clipping
	our 3 yr old's toe nails while she slept.

	As she grapped the big toe nail, Stacwy flinched, and her
	entire toe nail came out.

	Stacey (believed) that she fell or something.


	Boy, I hate it when that happens.  Just when you're getting
	a good night's sleep, someone comes alond and rips out your
	toe-nail.

	What's this world coming to?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: jsco@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (J. S. Comeaux)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:18:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: chevron

My 5th grader is learning ESTIMATING , and I am p.o.'d because I think 
the school should teach accurate mathematics  rigorously 
until it is second nature.  Instead, just when she has mult and 
division down, she spends several weeks on Estimating, like this:

42,919            becomes          42,000
-2,689                              2,000
                                 = 44,000
then, she "adjusts"
   919
   689
= 1500  plus 44,000 is about (ugh.ugh.ugh) 45,500

Poor thing cried for 30 minutes because she can add, but this "Estimating" 
is hard for a 10-year-old.

What do other parents think?

From:  John Comeaux in Midland Texas, my first note ever.
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sad, really SAD.
Date: 9 Sep 1992 11:50:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The idiot that made the original post got exactly what he wanted.  We
bent down and flamed away.  It has turned into the Towering Inferno! 
Can we stop now?  Someone compromised an account, and enraged tons and
tones of Usenet folks.  He is probably watching this and getting his
jollies.  Let's stop, or take it to email, or some other bboard.  

-Shirl
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:33:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My local distributor tells me that they are making a Mavis engine--it
is still in production.

Jean Jasinski
From: devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: names
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:03:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com


My $.02.... I have a very uncommon name, Devon (pronounced
Day-Von, not Dev-In), I am a woman (yea I know it's typically
a man's name) and ethnically I am of mixed heritage - Japanese, 
Irish and American Indian.

When I was a child my name was very unique and I took a lot of
grief for it.  I dreaded roll call when the teacher would
mispronounce my name and the other kids would snicker, or the
first day of school when I would have to stand up and tell
everyone my name (I can still feel my face reddening).  As
I've grown older I've become more comfortable with my name and
with all that comes with it.  

-  People ask me it's origin... yea right... it's ummm Japanese... not!
   Actually my father chose the name knowing my mother
   couldn't pronouce the "v" in it.  So she calls me Chibichan
   (Little One) Funny since she's 4'9" and I'm 5'8" and I've
   towered over her since the third grade.   
-  I find that I am overlooked on restraunt seating lists, so now 
   I leave the name "Ralph" or "Bruce".
-  I can't find any of those darn cute personalized thingies
   at roadside gift shops!  Okay so I've never had a
   personalized coffee mug!
-  People tend to hesitate before saying my name.  "Is your
   name  Ummm... Devon?"  And they always say it like it's a
   question.  It would be nice to have someone say my name
   with confidence!  They also have the gall to argue with me
   about the pronunciation of MY name!
-  I've never had to "share" my name with anyone.  It's
   uniquely mine.  I feel kinda weird hearing someone else
   called by MY name.  I asked my guy how he coped with this
   feeling... his name is Tom.  He just looked at me like I was
   being weird.
-  I now like the uniqueness of my name.  Also I like that it
   is sexually and ethnically ambiguous.  Great on paper!
   (resume, credit/loan applications, etc.)  I can't be prejudged 
   based on my name.

Yes it is your right to choose your child's name no matter what.
But, I'll tell ya something...both my friend Redwine and I hated our
parents for what they did to us as kids.  We felt they had
played a cruel joke on us, we both desparately wanted to have
more conventional names and fit in.   As an adult, I enjoy my name,
but it's taken many years and a lot of spunk along the way.   
Redwine now goes by the name of Gary (he's now 33 and a young
marketing exec. can you blame him!)

Cheers!
Devon


Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:01:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.193626.12945@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
>
>Another person on this group mentioned once that she had the same problem.
>Probably had it worse than I did, as even *I* would have mispronounced
>her name.  (My name is Sean, hers Seanna...)  She didn't seem to feel it
>that bad an experience, though I could be wrong.

You are right.  I voluntarily changed the spelling of my name from the
obvious "Shawna" to the unpronouncible "Seanna" when I was about 9, just
because I liked being different (I legally changed the spelling when I 
was 13.)

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Alcohol during pregnancy (was Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

Paula Burch writes:

>There is NO evidence ANYWHERE that one drink per week can do ANY harm 
>to the fetus.  

Unless you are omnipotent THIS STATEMENT IS ABSURD.  How can you claim
to know the state of ALL evidence EVERYWHERE?

Recent studies suggests that even one drink at the wrong time **may**
lead to fas.  The study that I am referring to was recently discussed
on an airing of 20/20.  The consensus of the researchers was that they
simply did not know the specifies of the cause/effect of alcohol with
respect to fas other than to state that the more one drinks the
greater the risk.

>Even a teetotaller will have a very small concentration of ethanol in her 
>blood due to the fermentation of fiber in the gut.  Suggesting that this 
>could cause fetal alcohol syndrome would be ridiculous, and so is 
>suggesting that one small drink, consumed rarely, will have any effect 
>on the baby. Drinking a half of a beer, 6 ounces at 5% alcohol, will 
>have the same effect as drinking two pints of natural fruit juice that 
>contains 1% alcohol....

Not true.  As you yourself site, its a matter of blood alcohol levels.
Drinking one half a beer with 1 gallon of water will result in lower
blood alcohol levels than drinking one half a beer by itself.

Rather than splitting hairs (any further) I would like instead to
restate that IN MY OPINION the short term gratification of an
occasional drink is not worth the POSSIBLE RISKS.

40 years ago people said it was ok to give babies a little wine to
calm them down.  I am sure that when studies suggested the practice
unsafe many parents disagreed.  They probably sited as evidence the
fact that they were given wine and they are ok or that their first
child was given wine and he/she is fine.  New beliefs are difficult to
accept especially when their acceptance suggests mistakes previously
made.

Paula may very well be right in saying that one third of a beer every
couple weeks has no ill effects on the fetus.  But how much is too
much and who is to say?

If my statements are false I apologize but I believe them to be true.
I can live with the consequences of being wrong.  If Paula's
statements are false can she, a pregnant women or her unborn child
live with the consequences?  IF YOU ARE PREGNANT DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL.
If you cannot refrain from an occasional drink during pregnancy then
an occasional drink is probably not at issue.

Respectfully,
Sam Reynolds
SDReynol@maxwell.isi.edu

PS.  Life is a crap shoot and its our lot in life to manipulate the
     odds in our behalf.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Folic Acid prevents spinabifida!
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:42 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


I heard on the radio this morning that a lack of folic acid (a B
vitamin) during the 4th week of pregnancy is now thought to
be responsible for Spinabifida.  

The interviewee said that HALF of all the cases of Spinabifida could be
eliminated by this simple element of nutrition.  The problem is that
the 4th week is a time when women may not even know they are
pregnant.

Maybe they should start putting it in the water supply.  :) /2 


--Al Date
From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:42:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


I don't know if in-home care counts
as day care or not, but when I was looking, everthing in this area was about
100 a child (with minimal discounts fro multiple children).  since I have three
kids, I decided to go with a housekeeper/nanny who takes my oldest to half
day kindergarten, takes my 4 year old to preschool 3 days a week, and cleans
the house during naptime, and runs local errands for me.  For this, I pay
$300 a week - that's a LOT, but I can't imagine how I would keep my sanity
if I were packing the kids up every morning, then coming home to deal
with dinner, shopping, etc.  The woman who works with me (notice I said with
me, not for me...that's how it is!)  is an angel, and worth every cent she gets, but I am looking forward to being able to cut down that expense.
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mid Life Crisis
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:58:16 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>Help!  I think I'm having a mid life crisis.  I was very cavalier about 
>turning 39, mostly because everyone is so shocked.  I look about 27 (with
>my clothes on).  Most of the parents of kids the same age as mine are in
>their late 20s and early 30s.  I mean, hey, 40, it's just a number, right?

>Externally my life is really very good, but inside I am starting to feel like
>an emotional blob of jello.  

I agree.  I went through a period where I found it totally catastrophic.

I also found this interesting phenomena when I turned 40: You're on your
own.  I mean you get absolutely _no_ sympathy.  If you talk to someone
who's younger, they have _no_ idea what you're talking about (like you say,
"Just a number, right?" What's the problem?).  And anyone who's older...
let's just say that you're probably not going to get a lot of "Poor Babys"
moaning about your 40th birthday to a 55yr-old co-worker.

>But now that 40 is looming around the corner I find that I am becoming obsessed 
>with age - with MIDDLE age - with mortality and not having an infinite amount 
>of time left to do everything I've ever wanted and with an overwhelming sense 
>of a wasted life.  (I mean, does the world really need another distributed
>file system?)

Yeah...  Consider it this way: Look at it in terms of decades.  Think for a
moment about where you were and what your life was 10 years ago.  That was
nothing, right?  Passed like the blink of an eye, right?  Basically, you
have *2* of those left --three if you're lucky.

To bring it back to parenting: Am I, as an older parent a better parent?  I
like to thing so.  On the other hand I'm going to be well into my fifties
when my daughters are just starting to graduate from high school (let alone
college).

Boy, bet I'm doing a good job cheering you up, right?  Oh well, look at it
this way Judy.  At least no can accuse you of being "prematurely gray" any
more...  ;)

NICHAEL  
nichael@bbn.com  --                Bush/Gorbachev: One Down, One to Go
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:54:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep10.185955.9761@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson) writes:
>
>There's one thing I've always wondered about a family bed. I realize that
>adults can find other places to have sex, but what about kids? 
>
>Alison discovered the joys of masturbation when she was about 3. It
>took considerable effort to teach her that this was a private pleasure.
>I know that she used it as a mechanism for falling back asleep for years.

Oh yes, "Rocking" as we fondly call it in our home.  Laura likes to 
drape her legs over something solid (a knee, a chair, or the arm of the
couch (her favorite)) to "rock".  I must say, the wooden chair looks
quite painful to me.  She started at about 2 (or younger?) and we
didn't say anything for a long time.  Then, we said she could only
rock when it was just Mommy and/or Daddy, that rocking was "private".
This lead to a few tantrums where she would ask guests to leave 
so that she could rock on the couch - not quite what we had intended.
When told to go to her room to rock, she replied "But there's no
couch there!" which is true.  She mostly rocks when tired, so it's
generally just before nap (actually rest time - she no longer naps)
or bed.  

No real question today.  I'd just like to hear how other parents handle
this delicate topic.  Also, any other little girls have a technique that
requires large pieces of furniture?  Maybe Laura can experiment with her
stuffed animals - one of the 45 has got to be the right size/shape/firmness!
I'd love to have her able to rock in her own room!

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:14:53 GMT

In article <BuF15K.642@encore.com> equacken@encore.com (Eric E. Quackenbush) writes:
>cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:
>
>
>>The best diaper rash ointment I've used is Desitin.  It stinks to
>>high heaven, but nothing else seems to work as well.
>
>>				       Lynn Cooper
>
>Desitin never worked for us.  Balmex made a real differance.  After we
>started using it, around 2weeks old, we've never had a rash and Sarah's
>2 yrs. now.  The only differance we saw was Balmes has two active     
>ingrediants and Desitin has one.  If I recall correctly the one in Desitin
>is also in Balmex.....and it smells alot nicer too.
>

  I definitely second the above for Balmex.  I went a bought Desitin
  before my baby was born since it was advertised on the major networks
  during soap opera hour (you know the one with the big baby girl with
  the two pony tails), thinking it was the best.  However the only
  time my son had diaper rash (during a bout of diarrhea) the Desitin
  didn't help and seemed to irritate and make the area redder and raw.
  The pharmacist I went to recommended Balmex and I noticed a big
  improvement very soon.  Balmex applies thicker and is used to
  dress wounds.  The rash got better even though the diarrhea
  continued a few days longer.  A pediatrician friend also sent us
  tubes of Balmex.  And best of all, it doesn't smell bad like
  Desitin.  Sometimes when my mother-in-law puts Desitin on (she
  still has the tub I gave her), I can't tell if Tony pooped or
  not by the smell.  I would smell something only to find out
  there was no poop but a thick layer of Desitin.
From: cconell@reed.edu (Carol Conell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fun with Flying
Keywords: flying
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:17:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

If you have a small child, especially in a carseat the bulkhead has
the advantage that if they swing their legs they won't kick the seat in
front.  My worst experience was flying with my 8 month old daughter
whose swinging legs kept  hitting the seat in front, and despite my
efforts to placate him, the man whose seat was hit turned around and yelled
at us and swore as well everytime this happened.  Carol
-- 
Carol Conell; Sociology; Reed College; Portland, OR 97202 (503) 771-1112
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