From: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.slovak-l
Subject: Re: mapping
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:35:57 GMT
Organization: UAKOM SAV Banska Bystrica, CSFR
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> From:          pariser@CATS.UCSC.EDU
> Subject:       mapping

> In response to retracing historical demographics, I thought it
> might be interesting to compare the pre World War One map of
> Central Europe with the (soon-to-be) "post-Gabcikovo" map of 1993.

The "post Gabcikovo" map is (because Gabcikovo is already completed)
exactly the same as "pre Gabcikovo" map.

> One map, largely displayed at the Konopiste castle shows, in place
> of an official SLOVAKIA, one Horne Uhry -- or Upper Hungary.  At
> the time there were many Czechs living in a relatively harmonious
> situation with Slovaks and Hungarians, and ethnic and racial
> slurs were rather limited to hospoda and vinarna humor.

  You must have been joking. Or do you consider national supression
  to be harmonic situation?  Then How do you explain the movement
  represented by L.Stur and later by M.R.Stefanik, A.Hlinka, TGM, E.
  Benes, Slovak league in the USA and many many more. How do you
  explain the sloughter in Cernova?

>    The 1993 map shows enclaves of minority Hungarians,
> living in paranoia in the same territory now known as SLOVAKIA.

  Paranoia- a mental disorder characterised by delusions, as of
grandeur or, esp.,PERSECUTION. (according to Webster's new world
dictionary)
I ask you for appology or examples of persecution.

> Czechs and Moravians are few -- their numbers are getting
> smaller -- and Nationalist movements within are causing these
> minorities to fear for their welfare and safety.

  Why should they fear?
  All parties and movements have their names. What are those of
  Nationalist movements? If you respond to this don't
  forget to put down why they are nationalist.

> The attitude among most Czechs and
> Moravians at this time, sad to say, seems to be: "let the
> Slovaks have their independent state, and let them be happy
> and prosperous in so-doing.

I think this is the only wise attitude in this situation.
It is clear that if Slovaks feel good in CSFR ther would
have been no reasons for independent Slovakia to be created.
I don't think you would like Czechs to take the attitude towards
Slovaks as Serbs did to Chorvats.
if their nationalism stands

>     For me, a non-Czech and a non-Slovak -- a former
> Czechoslovakofile -- the latest developments are extremely
> frustrating.

  I understand that but,
  I can't imagine how one can be CSfile when considering A-H
  empire to be the realm where Slovaks and Hungarians
  used to live in harmony.

> Perhaps naively, I regard Mr. Meciar as the
> post-Soviet pied piper.  He tempts the Slovaks with promises
> to get rid of the rats, i.e., cehuni, but what happens when
> Meciar demands his payments.  And we can only guess what
> form these will take.

I also can't imagine how CSfile can even think about something like
that the goal of one part of CSFR- Slovaks is to get rid of
Czechs and Moravians as a persons. I think that what S wants is
to get rid of everlasting Czech father's political feeling towards
Slovaks. The Slovak constitution goes that nobody can be taken away
his citizenship. The Slovak goverment proposed the law according which
Czech living in SR may maintain Czech as well as Slovak citizenship.
I recomend you to read the current C-S agreements to put you back
on the road in your ill conclusions.

respectfuly,

Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
E-mail: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS