From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Body Count/Cop Killer was (stereotypes - and a request)
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:38:41 GMT
	<12444@inews.intel.com> <1992Jul24.161240.1@fnalno.fnal.gov>

I suspect a lot of this is just that a lot of people want the oppressed to 
act like Martin Luther King and instead they act like Malcolm X. 
 
You'd be dead wrong if you classified me as one such.  Ask me what I think of
Ice-T's latest album some time.

Oh, what the heck, I'm hyper than pinochio's nose 'cause I'm a super-Cali
fragilistic tic tac pro. OK what do you have to say? Now I assume you are 
talking about the heavy metal group Body Count and Cop Killer? 

In article <1992Jul24.161240.1@fnalno.fnal.gov> 
holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
>Having heard the song  (CK) and read the lyrics, I find the song to be an 
>expression of Ice-T's (and by extension representative of many people in his 
>community) frustrations with the treatment they receive from the LAPD in South
>Central Los Angeles.  (No big revelation so far.)  I am unsympathetic towards
>police who are worried by the content of the songs.  They've earned it.

Oh cold, so cold. Isn't that racism or antipolicism? Aren't you worried
about being investigated by the FBI and CIA for that statement? They do 
monitor, you know? But just remember, if you get pulled over, stop the car,
throw out the keys and put both hands on the wheel. If they tell you to
get out and get down on the ground, well you better do that. Yeah I know
there's usually oil and junk in the gutter, but that don't matter, does it?
[ donut eatin' charm school flunkin' ...

>I think that too much attention is paid to CK and not enough to the other 17
>pieces on Body Count.  Ice-T raises a great number of pressing issues and
>raises good points in exploring them.

Like? Care to offer up some lyrics? And who gave those Black boys those
rock guitars? Who let 'em in the clubs, did you make 'em pay? This stuff
just ain't cool, that Black boy played so good, he took my girl!

>He's not taking MLK's approach, and I don't blame him one bit.

No, he's not taking MLK's approach and we'll see what happens, won't we? I
wonder if MLK would take MLK's approach if he was alive to see the ghetto
today.

>The furor seems to have died down over Body Count faster than it did over
>Murphy Brown.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe you're right. I'm glad he took it into the realm of
heavy metal instead of hip-hop. That was a good move. Of course the media
still refers to him as a raper and I heard Charleston Heston said rap is for
guys who can't sing. Ice-T's no dummy, he aims to subvert, and make a little 
money along the way. Beats pushing drugs, don't you think? But there are some 
facts that remain. And there does seem to be a lot of support for attacking 
the arts and hacking away at amendment number one, something about the new 
world order? I've heard some of the lyrics to Body Count and I have to
admit, they are a little offensive, but then again I've never really thought
of heavy metal as particularly socially redeaming. Isn't it a good thing
we have people like Ice-T to test the system? If we're gonna lose our rights,
we may as well get it over with. Or maybe we'll come to understand what the
Bill of Rights really means.