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From: David Douglas McCallum <kcjonz@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Origins of Rift music...
Reply-To: kcjonz@wam.umd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:41:06 GMT

Hey, I was listening to my recently acquired copy of Ian's Farm
8-27-87 and I found something [actually many things] very cool...

At the end of The Curtain, they go into a dirge-like passage for
a few minutes. This section haunted my subconscious for a few days,
until I realized where I'd heard it before. It's the jam in the
middle of Rift! Around way back in '87!

I've heard the original version of Rift from 1990, and I'm not at
all surprised that they introduced it as a new tune at
Portsmouth 3-6-92. It is completely different in feel even though
the lyrics are the same. I think it's great that two diverse
elements of their older reportoire have been restored to produce
such a fantastic new tune! 

Can anybody else think of earlier versions of tunes that have
been revived into todays favorites? The only other one that
comes to mind is Landlady's emergence from the solo sections
of Punch You In The Eye. Also, the Ian's Farm tape reveals that
the pieces that make up Fluff's Travels used to stand on their
own. Amazing how well they've been integrated, I think.

Does anybody else think that the reason that they don't compose
epics like Fluff's Travels and David Bowie and Antelope is
partly because thweey don't have so many loose pieces of
jams floating around anymore. This is not to say that they're
not creating as prolifically as before, no no no! What I mean
is that the focus of writing a song may only generate the music
needed for the piece, and not a whole bunch of miscellaneous
other stuff as well. I know, I know! Who cares...

I DO!

DMcC
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: klong@sura.net (K.A. Long)
Subject: Re: Net tape trading
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:10:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.201008.29461@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> jflemma@mailbox.syr.edu writes:
>     Hello Pholks,
 
Hey!

>   Perhaps Shelly's request that people be curteous and put
>  "grovel" in the header is the best solution.  That way programs that
>  automatically delete articles with "grovel" in the title will be deleted
>  by the people who dont want them, and anyone interested can still 
>  take a quick glance if they're inclined.
>

This *does* work in other groups.  I have a huge kill file for one group
I read daily.  The massive amounts of posts I don't care to read are 
completely done away with automagically.  There's just one drawback-
everyone who posts to the group needs to know the "magic" words to use
in the subject. 

>
>  Next...Shelly, Rich, Sean or Matt (or anyone) - has anyone thought of
>   sending a copy of the FAQ file automatically to anyone who requests to
>  be added to the digestifier list with directions to "Please read this
>   in advance of posting your first messages"  Have people also been
>  updating the FAQ file, I've noticed several new "frequently asked
>  questions - like the Paul and Silas one.
>

Again, in the groups that I read consistently, a FAQ is posted each month.
One gives pointers to archives of information that's available for ftp.
In another group, they post all the abbreviations for the subject lines,
commonly used acronyms and general net-etiquette.  I think a regular
posting of the FAQ would be a good thing.

>
>   BTW - Markus - I disagree with you.  I like the signals (except all fall 
>          down.)

I thought Markus made some excellent points but it's obvious that a lot
of the people who like Phish do so for the reasons Markus pointed out 
in his post.  My feeling is that sometimes it gets in the way of the music.  
The main thing is that everyone should have fun.  

>Thanx - peace.
>                  Jaybar


klong
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 15-Dec-1992 1714 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: re: grovels, tickets, tapes, etc...
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:26:38 GMT

My opinions on the grovel issue:

TICKET GROVELS annoy people.  Shameful, repeated, please-please-please,
grovels REALLY annoy me, and probably most of the net as well.  Creative,
well-written grovels like the Jesus grovel are, at a minimum, interesting
reading (hence my dubious maneuver).

TAPE GROVELS are more annoying than ticket grovels, IMO.  Trees usually get
run at some point.  Most folks on the net do NOT have any tapes to give you.
The ones who do post reverse-grovels and tress.  Posting tape grovels is a
waste of time.  If they're out there, you'll get your chance to sign up on a
tree.

Possibly the most annoying posts of all are the "REMOVE ME FROM THE DIGEST
LIST" messages.  C'mon folks, read the bottom of the damn digest, and then
send your request to "phish-request@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu" and *NOT* to
the general phish-net!  How completely brainless can some people be?!??!
Don't answer that ;-)

Suggestions to grovellers:  use personal e-mail first to people you know.
Use any and all other (non-public) means of trying to get tickets or tapes.
If everything else fails, try the public networks -- but be forewarned, if
you get a reputation for grovelling it's quite probable that the people you
piss off will not give sell you their extra tickets or trade you tapes.

Have a clue, leave a clue.  Need a clue, get a clue!

- jeff

PS -- If I get good audience DAT's of the Springfield and NYE shows, I'll
run a tree in January or February.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:11:47 GMT


*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****

I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.

Question:
Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
Sinead O'Connor?

If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Bill Press <press@lip.wustl.edu>
Subject: Cavern and Jimi
Reply-To: press@v1.wustl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:37:50 GMT

To whoever posted the question about Cavern lyrics, they did indeed used to
sing "... a penile erector..." I was rudely awakened at the second Fall show
of 1990 in Providence (at the Living Room, may it rest in peas). After the
show, I went backstage to ask Trey why they changed the lyrics. Trey pointed
to Page and said "he wouldn't sing the words." Page looked up at me and
smiled sheepishly, "It sounded stupid." I, of course, disagreed, and cited
our favorite inspiration Frank Zappa, but Trey would remain unmoved. "You
should have seen the original lyrics," he explained, "this is *nothing*."

My subject header also says Jimi... well, Justin Brierley wrote
|Phish seems to be honoring Jimi, rather than mocking him as they are know to
|do. That's all for now.

I don't believe Phish ever did mock Jimi. Yes, they joked at Portchester about
its being his birthday (I was at this show), but I didn't take this as their
making fun of him. In fact, they closed the show with a very moving Bold As
Love. They used to play this song in 1988, and they've been playing Fire for
even longer. Neither of these songs were ever played with anything but passion
and love.

	Slackfully yours,
	Bil
           ^- l

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Sheila Momaney <sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Any tickets for East Coast 
Reply-To: sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:23:35 GMT

GatorMail-Q                   Any tickets for East Coast shows?
My lucky day!  Fed Ex just delived a plane ticket from Santa (it's true)
and I'll be in Vermont for the holidays!  Hate to be greedy but thought
I'd make a plea for tickets.  This is all such a wonderful surprise.
I'd better milk it.
See you at the shows or at Stratton (doing that physical therapy thing
on the slopes).

RSVP to
sheila_momaney@radmac1.ucsf.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: JDAMBER1%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Toronto?// Directions????
Reply-To: JDAMBER1%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:24:29 GMT

                Hello all!!!!! My buddy and me are heading to Toronto on
Sat. add we have know clue how to get there!!!!!!!!!! I anyone can help
please get in touch as soon as possible!!!!!!!! Thanx for the help......
                        See ya all there!!!!(We hope)
                        JAY
From: jsl@kepler.unh.edu (Chau)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: NYE Tickets FOR-SALE!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:56:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu


My friend just called and said that we had extra tickets for the NYE 
concert.  If anyone is interested in purchasing the extra's please 
E-MAIL me with an offer.  We have six tickets.  They could be sold
individualy or seperate. It's a first come first serve type of deal.


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From: BARAT.TODD.DICKMAN@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: NYE extra for ride from NJ
Reply-To: BARAT.TODD.DICKMAN@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:59:49 GMT

I have one NYE extra and have no way of getting to Boston.  If anyone will
be driving through NJ and then back again after the show and needs one, I got
it!  I live in Lincoln Park which is off the Parkway, but i could meet you 
somewhere in NJ to get picked up.  Important: DO NOT try to reach me through
E-mail or through Phish.net.  Call me after Dec. 16th at 201-694-4098 to reach
me in NJ as that is where I will be.  You can call collect if you need to. 
Again, the only way to reach me is through that phone # so please call.
By the way, just saw the Ann Arbor show, how about that David Bowie jam! 
Hot! Hot! Hot!  How about the theatre in Kalamazoo? Pretty crazy clouds, huh?
Ok, so call. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Douglas H. Errett" <errett@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Diges.List
Reply-To: errett@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:12:01 GMT

Hey there:
	Please remove me from the digestified list, as I'm going to 
curl up and read FUN books for the next three weeks...
	...I'm on VACATION!!!!
		Thanks!
				--Doug
From: mechler@cs.ubc.ca (Roland Mechler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Phish hats
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:18:11 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Dec13.165521.6945@gw.wmich.edu>, 889sullivan@gw.wmich.edu writes:

|> 	At the Phish show in Kalamazoo they where selling Phish 
|> baseball hats with Phish spelled out in the shape of a fish (how Phishy).
|> I cant recall how much they were, and I dont know where to get one besides
|> at a show.  Dont know if this has been of any help.

Hey, now if only Phish would play here, I could get a hat!

Somebody want to talk them into it?   (notice the absence of a smiley)

Thanks, 

-Roland

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  12-Dec-1992 1715" <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: info on Matthew's Arena
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:22:25 GMT

from watching a bit of a Northeastern hockey game on NESN last night, I got
a little glimpse of the place where the New Year's show will be

it's a 2 level arena; i think the second level balcony hangs over some of the
seats from the first level a bit, kind of like at the boston garden, but not
nearly as much; this means that the sound will probably suck if you're under
the balcony; the actual floor of the arena looks bigger than the boston
garden (but the bg has a notoriously small surface), but there are obviously
a lot less seats; i think i remember hearing that it holds about 6,000; that
seemed believable from looking at it; as long as they don't put chairs on the
floor, i'll be happy

i'll post an ascii map of the area around the arena, along with directions,
when it gets a little closer to show time

i couldn't get any kind of group hotel rate for nye, so it looks like the Y
will be the choice; please e-mail me if you're interested and haven't done
so already; i'll probably call to make the reservations on monday

- rich

p.s. we've got about 18" of snow here so far, and it's still coming down; just
thought i'd share that with you
From: darkmage@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Dark Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: toronto
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:59:30 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616


notes on toronto...

Make sure your car is full of gas before you cross the border.  Gas is a 
fortune up there.  Also make sure you have enough cigarettes cuz they 
also cost a fortune (about $5 a pack).  Be careful bringing any sort of 
drugs or paraphenalia back accross to the U.S.  If they search your car 
and find anything then you can forget ever seeing your vehicle again.

Oh yeah... if you want to get wrecked up there you should also get a 
bottle at a duty free or something on the way up there cuz alcohol is 
also a fortune up there and beer is only sold in bars and at distributers 
(no beer at the 7-11 or grocery stores)


Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Set the gearshift for the high gear of your soul
DM
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Robert Johnson <JOHNSORN@bcvax1.bc.edu>
Subject: Lyrics Question: Silent in the Morning
Reply-To: johnsorn@bcvms.bc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:12:30 GMT

Hey there!
	I was wondering if anyone could possibly help me out.  Can anyone out 
there tell me what Trey is singing at the end of Silent in the Morning while 
Page and Mike repeat "Silent in the morning, you've found your voice it brings 
me to (x4) my knees"
Here's what I can decipher: 

"I will not dismiss you, shelter you,...to you
 ...trust in me...you call when I am..."

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I currently can not get this song
out of my head and have been racking my brain trying to figure this out
(Not a good thing to be doing during finals week)


So Long, and Thanks for All the Phish,

Robert Johnson
johnsorn@bcvms.bc.edu


PS. To anyone who may have missed my original post, I have postponed the 4-6-92
    tree until after the winter break.  (Just mentioning this since today I 
    received mail asking about the status of the tree)

PS. To all of you who may be losing net access over the break (and to those who
    aren't) I would like to wish you all a safe and happy holiday season.  I'll
    see you all (or at least some of you) at NYE and Springfield (and 
    hopefully, New Haven).  Take it easy!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Mike Formica <IQM334@uriacc.uri.edu>
Subject: Favorite line, jam, phrase
Reply-To: IQM334@uriacc.uri.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:54:59 GMT

Hey ey all,
 Just wanted to add my two cents worth as far as the best jam, phrase,
and line.
The best Jam without a doubt is
You Enjoy Myself w/ Carlos Santana this summer at Stowe. The Llama that
followed is equally amazing

The best Line-"Smoke Pot"during Harpua at the Wetlands on 6-9-90
The best exchange of lines is
 Page-"Ladies and Gentleman, they have called a cease fire in Iraq"
 Trey?"And at the same moment,......JAMES BROWN is out on parole!"
Mike  "You can't tell me this wasn't planned"
From -Arnolds Flamingo Grill,    in Febuary of '91, have to check the HFB
for exact date
The best phrase from any Phish song is-
  "The overhead view is of me in a maze, can you see what Im hunting
a few steps away"
                                            Mike

   ps- I just had to throw in that the note Trey holds on Stash during
Amy's farm for 60 seconds deserves some KIND of mention
                                                later
From: hirsch@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Stephen M. Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: leaving Phishnet :-(
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hey Phellow Phisheads!

	The time has come for me to graduate.  No more phishnettiness fer me.
Goodbye all! Goodluck!  Keep on Phishin' away!

	Thanks John, Shelly, Matt, Scott... etc.

			=steve=
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From: GRYMBLE GRUMBLE <williama@kenyon.edu>
Subject: IT'S ALMOST HERE...
Reply-To: williama@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:05:17 GMT

Hey there friends (and foes),
                              Well, the grovel is almost here so keep an 
eye out. For all of you who have written to me for tape trades, please
send the list of tapes you are willing to copy. I've got a bunch of
people on the tape list but only a few have sent me the list of tapes.
If you haven't done that you need to email me soon or else I might
have to bump you over to the money list. For those of you who have 
emailed me but have not specified which list they wanted to be on, please
email me with a decision because I can't make up your mind for you.
Just one or the other, no biggie. (money or tape) Everything is pretty 
organized so far, so things are running smoothly along. I have tried to 
contact everyone personally and if I have failed to do so please write to
me and let me know. Otherwise, if I have written to you and have not 
received a reply by the time the OFFICIAL DRE GROVEL comes around, sorry
but you lose. :^) 
                                          Peace,
                                                dre :-)
My momma said you can't please all the people,
all the time...but you can try!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  16-Dec-1992 1759" <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: *** NEW USERS - PLEASE READ THIS *** 
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:59:25 GMT

Welcome to the PhishNet! (also known as rec.music.phish)

If you're new to the net, please send away for the Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQ) file.  It will answer a bunch of questions (which are, believe it or not,
frequently asked) that you might have.

To do so, send I message saying something like "Send me the FAQ file" to
the following mail address:

    Internet: phish-archives@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu
    BITNET:   phish-ar@virginia
    UUCP:     ...!uunet!virginia!phish-archives

You can also use this address to ask questions about the list, or to get the
current version of the Phish Stories, the Helping Phriendly Book,
or the lyrics file.
From: shell@ugluk.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Origins of Rift music...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:57:36 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ugluk.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec18.004106.424@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> kcjonz@wam.umd.edu writes
>
>Can anybody else think of earlier versions of tunes that have
>been revived into todays favorites? 

Recently I heard a tape of Lushington for the first time, and was surprised
to hear a passage in it that has become quite familiar as the extended jam
in David Bowie.


Shelly

ps.  Regarding the signals: elitest or not debate, I'm reminded of something
Mike told me a couple weeks ago.  I asked him what he thought was the 
relevance of humor in music, and he replied by quoting something that
Bruce Hampton had said to him -- "You should take your music seriously,
but don't take yourself seriously".  Good advice! :-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: dalton@spot.Colorado.EDU (lizard man)
Subject: Touring: How to deal with Popularity surge
Summary: Book multiple venues.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:37:38 GMT

I hope this gets to the band somehow, if they haven't already thought of
it.



I've been thinking about how great it has been to see Phish in small
venues where you can actually feel a part of what's going on. However, a
lot of people have been moaning (and rightly so) about the effect of the
band's increasing popularity on the wonderful experience.

Now we all hope that Phish will not switch to playing giant stadiums and
coliseums like the Dead, or U2, or G'n'R or whatever. But if they keep
playing small venues, it might become standing room only (oops...already
has) or even worse, lots of people who would LIKE (or LOVE) to see the
band will be shut out because the shows sell out. The first time i went
to see them live, it was sold out; i had to wait half a year for my next
chance (and that time i had ticket #1).

The solution: play the same venue, or at least the same town, 2 or 3
nights in a row anywhere that they have sold-out in the past. Chances
are, all shows will STILL sell out, but more people will get to see them
with less crowding in a more enjoyable atmosphere.

Comments? Feedback? Shelly, do you know if this has already been
considered?

For instance, here in Boulder, they could play the Fox theatre two or
three times, or the Boulder theatre, or both; still sell most if not all
tickets (there is a massive Phish following here. The CD stores had
price wars over Junta and took out full-page ads) PLUS they don't have
to drive all day every day...they can even get out to see the mountains,
maybe do some hiking, maybe lose Fishman to the bears again :-) This
could make touring even more enjoyable for the band AND the fans......



Just my .02
--lizard man
-- 
---
"King Crmson was one of the few gigs for a rock drummer where you could
play in 17/16 and still stay in decent hotels."  --Bill Bruford
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: myersm@alleg.edu
Subject: one last time about the magazine
Reply-To: myersm@alleg.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:48:14 GMT

If you are one of those people who wanted to help create a Phish  
oriented magazine (would one actually refer to it as a phanzine? I  
hope not...), and if you have not yet e-mailed me your US postal  
address and phone #, do so now!!! I had said that I was  going off  
the net by today (17th), but I'm not. I will be gone for good by  
Friday night (the 18th) at 7:00 pm. This way I'll get in touch with  
you by mail or phone. Also, please let me know *how* you'd like to  
help (editing, publicity/advertising, writing, fundraising,  
accounting, anything...) DESPITE WHAT THE **FROM** FIELD MIGHT SAY,  
MY E_MAIL ADDRESS IS " Myersm@alleg.edu " . Write me!
-Michael Myers
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish