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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: categorization of Asian Americans
Keywords: Indian, racism 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:23:42 GMT

In article <Bz3uyL.L8p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kaberi@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chakrabarty kaberi) writes:
	[Stuff about marginalization of South Asian Americans deleted.]
>
>I personally did no mean to suggest that our lack of representation was 
>deliberate...exactly. However, I do perceive that not all of the reaction 
>I've gotten seems to take this issue seriously. I have talked with several
>people who have responded in the fashion typical of some Caucasians accused
>of racism, that is, "I haven't noticed that. You're probably imagining it.'
>with the implication that even if it is true, it's not very important. I'm
>not suggesting that we of southern Asian background start a revolution
>(actually I would much prefer not having to make such distinctions), only 
>that it might be helpful to bring it to the attention of the general Asian-
>American populace.
>

Yes, it's good to bring this up.  According to the data I have handy
here (class handout citing "Asians, Hispanics Giving Nation More
Diversity," Washington Post, June 12, 1991)  South Asians make up more
than 11% of Asian Americans, a larger fraction than Koreans.  It's high
time other Asian Americans recognize and accept South Asian Americans
as part of us.  The road goes both way, too; no one's been preventing
South Asians from posting to this group!

I'd imagine that some issues will effect South Asian Americans differently
than other Asian Americans (e.g. Japan-bashing).  On the other hand,
so many other issues affect us all (e.g. cultural conflicts, presumption
of foreigness, anti-Asian hate crimes, glass ceilings, etc.)

As I said before, welcome to the group!
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:29:11 GMT

In article <BzDLKM.F8K@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1go4okINN8nr@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu> pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan) writes:
>>	2) in America, AIDS hit gays hardest and first (more free clues,
>>	   Arthur: is the man talking about America, or the world?  What
>>	   fraction of the world lives in America?  what did he tell us
>>	   about the world picture?  and even in America, what are the
>>	   fastest growing risk groups?)
>
>Well, I happen to believe the U.S. is a perfect model for the industrialized
>world.

Fine.

>Besides, how many people outside of the U.S. are willing to admit that
>they got AIDS via homosexual activities?? Personally, I don't even believe
>Magic Johnson's "I got it from a woman" story..

Its your life and your death if you choose to deny the facts.

>fastest growing risk group: still gays
>(a clue to paul: don't believe those act-up influenced stats)

Mind presenting some evidence?

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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:02:13 GMT

In article <71817@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Well, that's great
>- no one bothers to question 1 billion. Only the experts know.
>- 1 billion isn't the same as 20% HIV+. Well, that's what ABC News said,
>  even over several generations, it's still 7-10% worldwide, which is
>  still absurd.

Its not 7-10% currently but there is nothing stopping it from getting
atleast that high.

>- Not everyone is at risk. The rate of HIV+ among Catholic nuns is extremely
>  low.

Probably for the same reason it is very low among Lesbians, who are nuns
going to have sex with except other nuns?

>  It is absurd to say there is not difference between the risk to a
>  gay in San Francisco, or drug user in NYC and a farmer in South Dakota are
> the same. 

Quite true a careful gay man or IV drug user in SF has a much lower risk
than someone who thinks they are immune.

>There is a huge difference. Anyone who said AIDS does not
>  discrminate does not discriminate between a 1 in 2 chance of being HIV+
>  for a gay drug user and 1 in 100,000 for the farmer in Fargo.

Or 1 in 20 of being HIV+ and pregnant in Florida. Not as huge a difference
as you would like, expecially considering that many more women are pregnant
than there are Gay IV drug users.

>- My point is riducuolous prjections based on outlandish assumptions. There
> is no need to exaggerate the extent of the AIDS problem as there is no need
> to ignore it.

Your trying to ignore it by pretending that the maority are immune, this
simply is not the case. The majority of the worlds population is at risk.
The only minoriy not highly at risk is Lesbians.
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From: key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AIDS Sweeps Asia is Bogus
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:33:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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rate of aids cases increasing in asia
rate of aids cases decreasing in north america
hrm...
but anyhow

it strikes me that it would be nice if mr hu's analysis was correct.
it would be a dream come true if aids ever became a trivial malady.

however, the loss of a single human life is tragic.  no matter how
loathsome you may find them.  mr hu admits that there will be an
increase of aids cases in asia.  rather than working to prevent aids
he goes around saying there isn't a need to doing anything about it.

peter li'ir key, queer korean
key@soda.berkeley.edu
From: jenny@geni.wisdom.bubble.org (Jennifer Chen Keshava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian American publications
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:40:40 GMT
Organization: Private BBS


Can anyone recommend some Asian American publications (magazines or
newspapers) written in English and tell me how to subscribe to them?
Being a Chinese American born in Taiwan and not knowing the written
language, it is difficult to get information about the Chinese culture
and local Chinese communities (NYC and NJ areas).  Thanks.

Jenny   jenny@geni.wisdom.bubble.org
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: From the Stanford Daily #1
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.022721.17911@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>	I've had several requests for this stuff.  Enjoy.
>					--Alan "I'm not Arthur" Hu
>From the Stanford Daily (Stanford's main paper), November 30, 1992.
>[This was the front page, top cover story.  There's a sketch of an
>unhappy-looking couple, not obviously interracial, embracing at a
>party with a spotlight on them.]
>
>Diversity and dating difficult to reconcile
>Interracial couples often encounter troulbe amidst multicultural atmosphere
>[rest of article deleted]

Unfortunately, this is not the interesting article; the second
installment (or was it the 3rd installment?) of this in-depth coverage
of interracial couples is the most interesting.

The second installment covers specifically

       Oriental-ge Women/Caucasian-ge Men &
       Caucasian-ge Men/Oriental-ge Women

In that installment, there is a bizarre pattern in which all the names
of the Oriental-ge men who are whining about the overabundance of the
1st combination are Chinese-cu names.

I wonder what's going on here.  Duuuuhhhh!

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From: pychen@zirconium.berkeley.edu (Peter Y. Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Female Taiwanese college student looking for pen pal(s)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley ERL/Microlab
Distribution: w
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A girl-friend of mine in Taiwan is interested in an intercontinental
correspondance relationship with Caucasian males who are interested in
discussing Chinese/Taiwanese culture, and she has asked me to become
a go-between to establish some link.

If you are interested in making a new friend via the postal service,
please e-mail to me your name and mailing address.  You can either
e-mail reply to this post (pychen@zirconium.berkeley.edu), or to my
home account (pychen@oxide.berkeley.edu).  Please avoid follow-up
posting to this group, as I don't subscribe to it and I may miss your
replies.

Thanks all.

-- Peter
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: more stuff
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:02:00 GMT

In article <1g99loINNaf3@agate.berkeley.edu> chrchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Christopher Chan) writes:
	[Chris's gracious apology, face-saving (:-)) explanation,
	 and thought-provoking reflections deleted.]
							Then I figured,
>you know, maybe some AF's take some sh*t from AM's.  Maybe not from
>me or any other AM's I know, but maybe from some other AM.  So, we
>have AM's taking sh*t from AF's and AF's taking sh*t from AM's.  Let's
>cut the sh*t.  I'm Audi 5000.
>
>Chris Chan

Hear hear!  (There, there!)  Let the shitting cease.

I also wonder sometimes why Asian Americans seem so divisive.
Seems like every time I turn around, some Asian-American females
are bashing the Asian-American males for being sexist.  Or the
Asian-American males are bashing the females for being white-washed.
Or the Twinkies are bashing the FOBs.  Or the FOBs are bashing the
Twinkies.  Or the Koreans are bashing the Japanese.  Or the Chinese
are bashing the Filipinos.  Or the Hawaiians are bashing the Mainlanders.
And the Indians are getting excluded.

Maybe Lui has a point.  Maybe there's nothing in particular that we share.
Maybe there's really no Asian-American cause worth fighting for.

To take an extreme position, perhaps I should have opposed the redress
for the Japanese-American internment, since the Japs got what they
deserved.  Perhaps I should laugh at the "I am so good to you, and you
are so bad to me.  Let's make love." portrayals of Asian-American
women, since I'm not female.  Perhaps I should disregard the much lower
admissions rates for Asian Americans at private college, since we're
"over-represented" already.  Perhaps I should oppose continued
assistance to Southeast Asian refugees, since they're lucky just to be
in the US.  Perhaps I should have watched Koreatown burning and said,
"Stupid FOBs had it coming to them all along."  Perhaps I should ignore
when "Dotbuster" beat and kill Indian Americans, since I'm not Indian.

Perhaps not.

Like it or not, we're all in the same boat together.  Quoting Andrew Chin's
.signature "Fighting racism is not a special interest."
						--Alan Hu
----------
I am not Arthur Hu.  I am NOT Arthur Hu.  I AM NOT ARTHUR HU.

I am not a neo-conservative writer for AsianWeek.  I did not go
to MIT.  I do not conduct phone surveys.  I am not married.
I do not believe in Dan Quayle's family values.

Arthur Hu is a fine person.  So am I.  We are not, however, the same person.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 09:18:22 CST
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: From the Stanford Daily #1
 <1992Dec18.030851.3958@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Dec18.030851.3958@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>The second installment covers specifically
>
>       Oriental-ge Women/Caucasian-ge Men &
>       Caucasian-ge Men/Oriental-ge Women
>
>In that installment, there is a bizarre pattern in which all the names
>of the Oriental-ge men who are whining about the overabundance of the
>1st combination are Chinese-cu names.
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I wonder what's going on here.  Duuuuhhhh!

Mr. Joe seems to have forgotten his often repeated claim that you can
separate ethnicity from culture. As he says, one can be of German
descent but be culturally Japanese.

If this is so, then there is no such thing as a Chinese-cu last name, as
anyone of any ethnicity can be Chinese-cu, according to Mr. Joe.

This is just another example of the intellectual bankruptcy of Mr. Joe's
reasoning process.

Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
	<1gsvbvINNeo@news.aero.org>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:09:40 GMT

Wasn't there something in the news recently about the Mongols
visiting/migrating to North America long before the 1400s?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mlau@mothra.syr.EDU (Michael  Lau)
Subject: Abbreviations and Symbols
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:13:51 EST

:-O  minor correction...

ROTL should be ROTFL.

%-6 from finals.  

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From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:49:24 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

That's the ticket, folks!  Ignore those uninformed Harvard retrovirology
experts and get your science from a real expert: Arthur, the Californian
gossip columnist!

William Haseltine has stated that around the world, 85% of the HIV infections
are heterosexual, and that in the next century, we could see as many as a 
billion cases.

Arthur thinks this is stupid, because:

	1) there are only 5 billion people in the world today  (free clue,
	   Arthur: how many people will be born in the next 100 years?)

	2) in America, AIDS hit gays hardest and first (more free clues,
	   Arthur: is the man talking about America, or the world?  What
	   fraction of the world lives in America?  what did he tell us
	   about the world picture?  and even in America, what are the
	   fastest growing risk groups?)

	3) there is no AIDS in Asia (free clue, Arthur: go to your dictionary
	   and look up "denial")

	4) non-IV het AIDS is almost non-existent in the US (well, you've
	   already looked up "denial" - why don't you pull your head out
	   of your ass and read a newspaper?)

Paul

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
>told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
>20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. Now you look at your SanFrancisc
>HIV seroprevalence survey, and the only groups of people with HIV rates
>that high are gays in STD clinics, IV drug users, or both. Even Uganda,
>with the highest HIV rate of any nation in the world is nowhere near
>20%, and neither is San Francisco. When you factor in that well over
>half of the world lives in Asia, East Europe, or the Middle East where HIV
>is largely nonexistent outside of a few pockets, and this figure should
>obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind. He also says 85
>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
>AIDS is almost non-existent.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@cobra.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:26:17
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
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In-reply-to: russil@idacom.hp.com's message of Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:05:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.000508.16340@idacom.hp.com> russil@idacom.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
   >>In article <1gl8udINNos6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
   >>>Can anyone remember a "good guy" asian male in the movies or TV?

   John Carpenter's "Prince of Darkness" has Dennis Dun as a rather obnoxious
   Asian-American grad student.  ("If I don't come back, you can have my
   Porsche.")  I thought it was a nice change from the usual noble assistant/
   yellow menace dichotomy.  (Spoiler below.)

Obnoxious Asian-American grad students?  Isn't that rather blatant
stereotyping?  I don't know any obnoxious Asian-American grad students, do
you?

***

I don't watch TV too much, so I was surprised yesterday when I saw another
ad with an Asian guy in it -- it was a NYNEX commercial with two women and
this guy standing in front of a modern painting in a museum.  The one woman
says something about the painting, admiring it, and the other gets all
nervous and starts muttering technobabble, and leaves in a hurry worried
about her communications and networking stuff at work.  At the end, the
(tall, handsome) Asian guy asks the other woman "What's a PBX?"  Actually,
I didn't get it, but I was pretty surprised to see the Asian guy.

I also saw the milk commercial with the Asian woman, the baby and the
camcorder.  It was the version with the white husband.  I think I may have
been in DC when I saw it.

In the Reebok "Assault Tennis" video, there's an Asian guy who flashes on
for a few milliseconds.

Who's the Asian guy in the glasses in the WordPerfect ads?

***

I think it's pretty inevitable now -- we're on TV: we're going to be
absorbed.

***

Asian-male stereotyping of the future:
 tall, handsome, well-dressed, witty, powerful, smart, educated, 
 good-sense-of-rhythm, into outdoor sports, too much electronic
 equipment, nervous about losing cultural background, a little
 _too_ hip for his own good, but strangely and attractively geeky
 at the weirdest moments, silly and funny, good cook, dependable,
 sensitive, but not wimpy, strong, yet not overbearing, well-read,
 too much sports equipment, well-connected, leadership material,
 respected and well-liked by his peers, and of course, humble.

Did I miss anything?

-Andy
"If I don't come back, you can have my _______" (Uh ... T Pass?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Reply-To: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.162559.5808@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.052638.19343@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>>Roger, I think this has become more semantic than substantive.  I do
>>not believe it unreasonable to assume that an employer will know what
>>he wants in an employee.  It is that employer who ultimately
>>determines the criteria.  I argue that, based on his perception, the
>>employer should pick the best one from the crop, disregarding such
>>matters as race.  Clinton has stated unambiguously that race is one of
>>his criteria.  By suggesting he hire an Asian, you seem to agree that
>>race is a legitimate criterion.  I disagree with the integrity of that
>>agreement.
>
>	Perhaps I am being obtuse here.
>
>	I am suggesting that race has had a deleterious effect in the past.
>This past effect has a present effect by preventing Asian Americans
>from entering particular fields and from moving upwards in those fields.
>This is known as the glass ceiling effect.
>
>	Given that, how much integrity is there in a process that does
>NOT take that into consideration?  You are NOT getting the best person
>for the job.

If a certain employer is racist, there's little you can do, excluding
legal claims.  Because he's basing his decision on race, you're
right, no integrity.  

My feelings on the "glass ceiling": there are already laws against it
in place, and so to the extent that these are effective, there is
recourse.  Beyond that, there is nothing the government can do.  The
problem results from a tiny portion of the population; until they die
or change their minds, we'll have to wait.  We'll never be able to get
rid of all of them, but for the most part, I'd give it about twenty
years.

Meanwhile, many people do prescribe to a meritocracy, so find them and
be the best.

Certainly,

David
dnm9@columbia.edu
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