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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: KGAY SuperRadio
Keywords: KGAY SUPERRADIO
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:47:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Hi folks... haven't heard much hear lately about KGAY.  Have people
had any luck in getting their local cable operators to carry this
service as backgroud music to a bulletin board or (better yet) over
their Cable FM-stereo service?

Just in case you missed it... KGAY is a Denver based SuperRadio
service whose mission is to serve the gay community with entertainment,
public service, and news.  The operate on SpaceNet 3 Transponder 22 @
6.2/7.4MHZ discrete stereo and on Galaxy 5 Transponder 6 @ 6.3/6.48MHz
discrete stereo (this is dated info... I have heard that they are
taking one of these transponders channels to digital stereo for better
service).  Cable companies are able to tune in to KGAY and other
SuperRadio services with their satellite receivers (as can anyone with
the proper equipment) and then can pipe the audio over to Cable FM or
Cable TV transmitters so that the customer can receive it at home.
Also, commercial FM stations can contract with KGAY to use all or part
of their service on the main FM channel or on the special subcarriers
(which are used mostly to bring monophonic background music and news
to businesses).  There are a few commercial FM and AM stations around
the country which have contracted with KGAY to offer this over-the-air
service.

Anyway, if you haven't yet, contact your local cable system's program
director and give him/her this information and ask him to give you your
KGAY.  If he says that all of his FM slots are full, ask him to put
you on the waiting list and to respond to your request in writing
which lists all of the requests currently on the waiting list.  You
can also make the suggestion that he clear out some of his FM slots by
using one of the digital music services (these provide FM- and CD-
quality music channels, some up to 100, over the cable without taking
up much bandwidth).  If all else fails, ask them to use the channel as
background to their bulletin board, or rotate some of the services
from time to time.  Don't give up!

Tom

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From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:54:01 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Dec15.164508.15177@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
>>I have no leather garments ...
> 
> sounds like perfect stocking stuffers to me ...

Awful big stockings ... 

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+  
Xref: sparky soc.motss:52869 alt.politics.homosexuality:8116
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:50:58 GMT
	<1gncmtINNscs@hp-col.col.hp.com>
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1gncmtINNscs@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

   Do you accept religion's "right" (for lack of a better word) to teach 
   that homosexuality is an "abomination" (I think that's the word I've
   heard used) against God, and is therefore immoral and evil? 

Religion can teach whatever it wants.  What I care about are the laws
that religious groups are trying to get passed.

Churches are the biggest single contributor to these causes.  They
organize their people to get signatures, encourage them to vote, use
their tax-free status in highly dubious manners to get these laws
passed.

And I'll do everything I can to stop them from passing those laws.

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: A reply to Mr. Pierce (was Re: PHOBE ALERT: That XX Louis Sheldon...)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:31:06 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <BzEv9F.M1n@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>Perhaps this dicussion should be moved to soc.motss.nice.

Or soc.motss.again...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:53:56 GMT

> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>
>One last note: To participate in the march must surely be to
>endorse the platform. The platform doesn't say "Some of the
>people who helped organize the march demand"; it says "the march
>demands". If the platform has any moral force, it comes from the
>people who march under that platform. I disagree with the
>platform enough that I cannot lend my support to it in such a
>way. For this reason (and this reason alone), I won't be in the
>march.

I have my own reasons for marching, and expect that the
million or so other marchers will each have their own,
from the crass to the sublime to the ridiculous.  I'm
sure I'd agree with most if not all of the seven demands
on the MOW platform, but they're not necessarily reasons
why I'll be showing up on April 25.  I think it's great
that the organizers are doing what they're doing to make
the March happen.  If it's important for *them* to agree
on a list of principles that *they* stand for, that's
great, but for anyone to assume that the assembled
multitudes agree with every dotted 'i' and crossed 't'
on the platform is as crazy as believing that George Bush
cared a damn about the Republican National Convention's
platform...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:19:41 GMT

In article <13692@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> |> Now I am curious to know what exactly is the text which implies the
>> |> right to privacy.  Would somebody be willing to post it?
>> |> 
>
>Actually, the privacy argument is based on the 9th Amendment:
>
>    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
>    be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
>
>The difficulty is that the 9th was only intended to protect individiuals
>against the Federal Government, not the states, and the 14th Amendment,
>which has been interpreted by the Supreme Court as extending *most* of
>the Bill of Rights to limit state power, was not intended by its 
>authors to extend to the 9th and 10th amendments:
>
>The arguments accepted by the courts in support of privacy are very
>limited.  The right to obtain birth control devices was derived from
>a right to privacy of married couples -- the Supreme Court took, even
>in the liberal Warren Court, a pretty narrow view of the limits of
>that privacy.

Of course, the Burger Court extended it quite a bit in Roe v. Wade.

There's also the "right of initimate association" expounded by Brennan
as being included in the first amendment.  Such a right has been used
to strike down anti-miscegenation laws.  Doesn't seem like the current
court, after Bowers v Hardwick, would be willing to extend it to
consenting adults in their own bedroom.
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standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:31:40 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) scolds me:
 >mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
  >>3.  *There* *is* *no* *Official* *Cabal* *Application*
 >	Well, (puts nose higher than forehead), that *you* know of!
 >	Hrmpf!

 >P.S. ;-) does this count? huh huh? (wagging tail)

You wag your tail at me, I'm gonna pat your head, waddaya think?

It's a mild chiding, certainly not even the mildest of flames.
But don't think I don't appreciate the effort.




-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:13:50 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec17.205206.26240@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Read it again - the posting still goes to all newsgroups,
>just not cross-posted.

This is a waste of disk space.  It also creates separate parallel discussions.
This seems *very* stupid to me.
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deb's New Thang
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

Debra Hoechstetter  (who likes men just as much as the next guy) writes:

> I am glad you approve, but would really like to know if you feel all
> good-looking men should be gay.  I know you would like that, but who  
would
> I date?  I also would like to add that there have been many good-looking
> gay men that I have seen at clubs.  Neither of us should have  a  
monopoly
> on attractive males.  

Neither men nor women have a monopoly on attractive ones, true....

But dammit, YOU have a monopoly on the BIG, DUMB, and UGLY ones!

Worst thing is, you probably don't even WANT them!

Life is not fair.   :-(

-Anthony
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Indications of homosexuality
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:57:33 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <thaaang.724051809@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>A new kind of bisexuality!  Bears and twinks!  How delightfully
>*perverse* ...

Well, it took me some time to come to terms with it, but...

(Actually, my 'type' could probably be described as a bear/twink
hybrid. Well, no, that would indicate that I have one 'type'.
Nevermind. Let's just say guys tweak me.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Only in LA 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:42:47 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: QueerNet

A recent public (not pubic) works sign in LA:


            Announcement

         Request for proposals
    for a public works contract for the
   removal and rehabilitation of groins
at Las Tunis State Beach, Malibu, Los Angeles County.

(Sounds like an interesting Job to me)
[LATIMES: 12/12 pg B2]


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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:13:10 GMT

In <1992Dec14.160703.7210@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu
(Melinda Shore) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>If you are not comfortable with the march then I suggest that (i) you do
>>not go, and (ii) you do not complain about it being misguided etc.
>
>I disagree.  A lot.

From reading the rest of your posting, I think that we are in violent
agreement.

>While I don't think that calling the march "misguided" is
>particularly constructive,

Agreed.

>I do think that great good can come from trying to understand these
>issues and what it is about them that some people find particularly
>bothersome.

I agree that great good _can_ come from discussion. However, I think
that one has to employ the right conversation tactics in order for the
discussion to achieve some good. Starting off with "You're wrong" is
not constructive IMO. "I've got a problem with some of these issues;
can we discuss them?" is likely to elicit a more favourable response
and pave the way for productive discussion.


Ciaran.
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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224637.13139@samba.oit.unc.edu>, czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
> 
> One of the Ren and Stimpy creators came and did a presentation in Chapel
> Hill about a month ago.  He was telling us about some of the things that
> had been censored from one of the episodes.  In the episode Ren and Stimpy
> were about to be hanged, and in the uncensored version Ren confesses to
> Stimpy that he used Stimpy's tongue to soothe his saddle sores while he
> was sleeping.  Stimpy says, "I wasn't really asleep."

I suspected as much!




--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Court challenges regarding polygamous marraige (Was Re: State laws regarding same-sex marriage)
Keywords: marriage legal polygamous
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:03:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec16.230329.7109
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

So, alittle off the subject, does anyone know of any efforts to
try to have polygamous marraiges legally recognized in this country?

What do people with legal multiple marraiges in other countries do
when they come here?  Do they maintain any legal relationship with
their second (third, etc) spouses?

Anyone know of countries that allow polyandros marraiges?  Both polygynous
and polyandrous?  (That's multiple men per woman, or more than one of each
for the temporarily Latin impaired ;-)

Just Curious

Sandy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Self-measured Maturity
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:35:47 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Dec19.013635.7818@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Unlike your eye color or the shape of your hand, maturity is
>not something you can see or measure or assess in that way,

Agreed.

When I was 16 and entering college part-time (no AP
classes in my high school), I met a woman who was
26. I was fascinated by this chance to interact with
someone "so much" older than I was.

Well, she had lots of money and was good-looking and
intellectual and took me places I shouldn't have be
able to go, and you can guess what shortly happened
to me.

Yah, I made a fool of myself, and tried the same
argument - I was mature, I knew it. I wasn't
like those other 16-year olds.

She said it wasn't something I would understand until
I was older. She was right.

>Some things just *are*, and despite appearances, not all
>such things are ageism.

Right on.

>awful.  At the time I would never in a million years have
>admitted it, but looking back it's very easy to see that I
>was in fact very inexperienced, very full of myself, and so
>on.  I had mostly my physical energy and my good looks going
>for me, and (now I see) not a whole lot else.

Yup. I have few doubts that in a few years I will look back
at myself now and shudder. I know many people who want to
be younger, but me, I wouldn't mind being at least a bit
older.

I also think that age brings a certain attitude towards
relationships that younger people lack, even when the
elder person in question may be substantially less
mature in other ways than the younger one.

Romantic relationships seem to be one area where age
and experience are the ONLY teachers, unlike perhaps
such areas as sensitivity to other's concerns.

What people think of as maturity changes with age
as well. I used to be more serious in public than
I am now. I now feel that acting silly in public
is not necessarily a sign of childishness.

And, obviously, age does not always bring maturity.

Yours from the vast age of 21.5,

Tim
From: daves@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Dave Stow)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why don't straight people wear genitalia?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:18:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Sandy writes:
>Now, these are pretty good sellers in the GLBO* market, but I have
>never seen a straight person wearing genitalia; their own genders, or
>that of the gender to which they are attracted.
>
>Why?

Hmm, good question... A (straight) friend of mine used to wear a 
necklace with a wooden <insert favourite term for female genitalia>
on it. However this was only at parties... 

I can't think of a good reaon off hand... Some men have penis/scrotum
key rings but not many, and usually for "macho" reasons (what?).

A friend of mine's brother used to work for Rolls Royce, and they made
a beautiful key ring on one long and dull night shift, a small metal
cast penis/scrotum with wings on it. Only 6 in the world!

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: UCLA Physiological Science
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:25:06 PST

In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> cc rs, cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au
writes:
>I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
>to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
>that you would recommend as essential motss reading:

Borrowed Time and Becoming a Man by Paul Monette

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT COLORADO! Postcards
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:47:32 GMT

smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>mills@spot.Colorado.EDU (MILLS MICHAEL J) writes:
>>     Please support the boycott of all of Colorado by purchasing fabulous 
>> "Boycott Colorado!  The HATE State"  postcards, designed after our 
>> state license plates.

>You know, if people took *half* the time they spend on this foolish 
>boycott, and used it to try and understand *how* the amendment came 
>to be passed, there wouldn't be a need for it, and it would be far
>less likely to happen in other states.  But doesn't it make you feel
>*soooo* much better to boycott? 

	
It's easy - it passed because the bigots lied.  Again.
And they will continue to lie, again, until we have little CO:2's
in every state, and OR:9's and sodomy is outlawed, and we are outlawed
and there are little Dachau's all over the place to get rid of
the "homosexual problem".  That might sound like an overstatement,
but millions of people would have no problem with that.  Millions
more might but they'd stand by esp. if "the majority" were in favor...

	So Walter, how much evergy have you expended on its repeal?

Write the Colorado Springs City Council?  I'll bet not.
Write the governor?  I'll bet not.
Call the Tourism bureau?  I'll bet not.
Call the CO Dept. of economics?  I'll bet not.
Help draft lists of pro-2 businesses?  I'll bet not.
Call freinds and family and encourage them to do any of these things?
	I *really* bet not.
Buy some postcards?  I'll bet not.
SEND the postcards?  I REALLY bet not.

	Me I've done some of these things (but not all) and I
don't even live there yet[*].

	But then again I love this country - I'm not letting 
the people who hate take it over.  Sorry about you.

	On a more positive note - can someone re-post the addresses
for these places?

	And what happened to the t-shirts the CSU-Boulder GBLO*
group were doing with the pink-triangle/black-bear motif?  I
still want some of those!

BBC

[*] - Yeah there is a shot.  IT wouldn't be my favorite choice at the
present time.  And Walter - don't worry I'll look you up - in fact
if I move there I promise I'll be your personal tutor.  I realize
how hard it's been for you to get easily integrated.
From: yxm2564@hertz.njit.edu (This is me!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Greetings
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:08:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: yxm2564@hertz.njit.edu



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