HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush & Clinton Numbers Don't Add Up!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:07:53 GMT

In article <1bh5bvINNq07@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
> 
>    I saw a CNN special last night in which they took both Bush's and Clinton's
> plans to address the debt and investigated them. Both plans did not do anything
> to kill our nation's debt. The "experts" they had there said that Perot's plan
> was the only realistic one that would erase the debt. They said that stating
> that we all have to sacrifice was "political suicide" and that is why Bush and
> Clinton put forward these fluff plans with no real substance. Don't believe
> the hype! We all have to suffer a little to pay off this thing.

Actually if you listen Clinton said he would cut the deficit in half...
not eliminate it... and what has Bush/Quayle said about it?  Not a thing...
they just avoid that question all together...

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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Serving Life (was Re: Choice for life)
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.195053.13962@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>You're WAY off--I'm 22--one must be 35 to be President, so I'd be eligible
>to run in the November 2008 election.
>Now lets watch all of you panic at that prospect.......
>Simon

Somebody has to replace Lyndon La Rouche and Gus Hall as the wacko candidates.
Why should you be exempt...


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Stockdale NAILED it!
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:42:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   You people crack me up with your "I hear Perot describing the problems, but
where are the answers." You'll get those tonight. You can't fix a problem unless
you understand it. Clinton and Bush don't even recognize half the problems that
Perot showed us in 30 minutes. Watch and learn tonight.
-- 
George Bush? He doesn't have a clue anymore. Bill Clinton? A slick smile and
a pandering style. Neither one is being realistic about what it is going to
take. The answer..........? ROSS FOR BOSS! VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT FOR PRESIDENT!
The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:30:56 GMT

gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
# patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) 
# }--PLH (just what's in that Edwards Aquifer water, anyway?)
# 
# Neither the Edwards Plateau nor the Balcones Fault impart anything into
# the water.  The hydrology of this region has been studied fairly closely
# by (you guessed it) cavers.  I don't think it is genetic, I don't think
# it is environmental.  I think it might be a brain disease...

Contagion?


-- 
J H Woodyatt (a.k.a. Dr. Strychnine)
Space Systems/Loral

``Men who have no time to read should devote their time to reading
books of quotations.''
                                              -- Winston Churchill
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:36:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <84844@bcsaic.boeing.com>, lbaum@bcsaic.boeing.com (Larry Baum) writes...
>In article <10OCT199220515401@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
>: In article <1992Oct10.233650.14720@nntp.uoregon.edu>, eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes...
>: 
>: >It was a normal trip for young scholars.
>: 
>: If it was his first trip in the Soviet Union, then also likely a
>: memorable experience. I wonder why he won't talk about it... if
>: it was just a normal trip?
>: 
>I think that it is not at all unusual to have only vague
>recollections of a trip that took place 23 years ago.  In 1974
>I had a wonderful trip to Europe, but I doubt I could speak
>very precisely about any person I met there or what I did on a
>particular date, etc.  I can tell you what cities I visited
>and some of the sights I saw, but precise memories?  Not very
>likely.  

If I asked you, I hope you would at least offer that.  
No big deal right? 

>Larry Baum
>(206) 865-3365               internet:   lbaum@atc.boeing.com       

-- Stephen Tice    Arlington Texas    10-13-92
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Your Permanent Record
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:08:23 GMT

In article <1764@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> munck@stars.reston.unisys.com writes:
>
>Here's an interesting point:  when all of these sophomores grow up and some
>eventually run for public office, all of their current half-thought-out
>rantings on the net will probably still be available in various archives. 
>After all, the full net stream is being captured and put on cdrom even now. 
>Every flame, every obscenity, every lapse of logic.  This is something new
>in the world of politics.
>
>So think about that out there in .edu land; are you sure about your facts
>and logic?  What you say now may doom your run for dogcatcher in 2012.

Maybe we could put a copy of the complete cd-rom .net archives
on the next interplanetary exploration mission into deep space;
this, plus every copy of Rush Limbaugh's book.  That should
convince alien civilizations that there is nothing of value
to gain by invading Earth.

>Bob Munck

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Two birds with one stone
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:44:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

In article <1992Oct16.160524.11028@linus.mitre.org> jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt) writes:

>Heard a clever idea from Clinton last night.  Have the de-military military
>personnel join the police departments and have the time served there
>count towards their military retirement.  Not bad at all.  Add the
>medical facility access from the miitary and let the police departments
>just pay their base salary and let the military pick up the benefits.


     Two serious problems with this proposal:

     1)  There's already a *large* Police/Civilian gulf between police
officers and the average citizen.  The rules are different in the military
than they are on the police force.  Most especially the problem of citizen
rights, which soldiers rarely have to deal with.

     2)  The money for the "new" police is going to have to come from 
somewhere, no matter what Clinton says.  Either he's going to have to 
provide some money, or force the local/state police to take them (both 
unconstitutional acts) or the local/state police departments aren't going
to want them.  They all *already* want more officers, but don't have the
money.
     This is also going to give the federal government substantial control
over local/state law enforcement, an area it *should not* be in.

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From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: Family leave farce (was a most pressing COncern)
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:59:03 GMT

In article <3+7-dv_@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:
>Xref: mailer.cc.fsu.edu talk.politics.misc:122187 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:5697 alt.politics.elections:14590 alt.politics.clinton:8036 alt.politics.bush:7281 talk.bizarre:96198
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>Path: mailer.cc.fsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!jwh
>From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
>Subject: Re: Family leave farce (was a most pressing COncern)
>Message-ID: <3+7-dv_@engin.umich.edu>
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:39:15 EDT
>Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
>References: <9563@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <1992Oct13.180436.15502@unislc.uucp>
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>In article <1992Oct13.180436.15502@unislc.uucp>, das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten) writes:
>|> Mark Wilson (mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM) wrote:
>|> 
>|> : As a citizen of this country you have a right to try and change the laws of
>|> : this country.  As an employee you have a right to try and get your employer
>|> : to change his family leave policy.  This breaks down when as an employee
>|>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> : you use the laws of this country to force that employer to give you a
>|> : family leave policy.
>|> : 
>|> : This may be legal, but it sure as hell ain't right.
>|> : 
>|> : 
>|> Why does anything break down under this circumstance?  Looks to me like
>|> a fine way of solving the problem.  As an employee, you are in a low-power
>|> situation for purposes of bargaining.  As a citizen you are on more
>|> equal footing with your boss.  Why not try to get it legislated?
>|> 
>
>And if your neighbor has something you want you are in a low-power
>situation for the purposes of demanding that your neighbor give
>that something to you.  As a citizen you are on a more 'equal'
>footing.  Why not try to get it legislated?  

It is, it's called eminant domain(sp).  It's something that's supposed
to help the majority.  The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

>James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
>University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
>Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc
From: glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt)
Subject: Re: Good Boy, George. But Why Did It Take You TWO YEARS?!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.053244.11317@nuscc.nus.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>
>
>Well, George Bush has admitted that his tax deal with the Democrats in 
>Congress was a mistake; that it caused the recession and the unemployment.
>
>Now, he has given notice that Darman and Brady, the principle White House
>architects of that deal, will be joining their fellow Americans in the
>unemployment line.
>
>But why, WHY, has it taken George Bush two years to recognize the problem?
>
>Why does he insist on doing everything at the very moment when it appears
>most politically opportunistic?

What - GHWB opportunistic?  Never...
Actually, he repudiated the tax deal a long, long time ago.  Remember
the words he used when he said it was a mistake (maybe 8 months ago?)
"If I had known what kind of flak I was going to get, I never would have
agreed to that."

File this quote under "leadership -- counterexamples" in your
dictionary.

GARY
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From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Reagan/Clinton a tale of two govenors
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:41:03 GMT
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: gt6367c@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 12 Oct 92 20:57:39 GMT

Douglas Wayne writes:

   ... Whether or not you agree with whatever economic policies
   that he pushed for, the most important thing Reagan did was make
   this country feel good again. ...

Yes, he was great at creating illusions.  Meanwhile he created a huge
permanent deficit by raising spending (on defense) and lowering taxes;
deregulated everything so that we got the S&L crisis and the takeover-
spawned corporate debt mess; in short, his administration seriously
weakened our economic system while making us feel good with borrowed
money.  Years ago Republicans used to criticize Democrats for espousing
a "something-for-nothing" approach, but that's exactly what we indulged
in during the 80s.  (The Democratic Congress was far from blameless on
some of this, but the initiative on the policies I mentioned came from
the elected-by-a-landslide new president.)

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: todd@alf.hal.com (Todd Nix)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: State by State Poll Results
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:41:09 GMT
Organization: HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: alf.hal.com


In article <1b4jpgINN33f@agate.berkeley.edu>, bks@alfa.berkeley.edu
(Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
 >Recent Poll results, ordered by number of electoral college votes.
 >! == Candidate has lead of 10% or more. 
 >EV == Electoral College votes for that state (270 votes needed for victory).
 >State  EV   Bush Clinton Perot   State  EV   Bush Clinton Perot
 >  AL    9    41     38    13       LA    9    37     36    11
Alabama
 >  AZ    8    31     36    17       KY    8    36     41     8
Arizona
 >  AR    6    25     58!    6       NM    5    30     38    13
Arkansas
 >  AK    3    35     36    18       ND    3    46!    36     8
Alaska

 >How is it that Clinton has no lead in Arkansas? Are they wiser
 >to this guy than the rest of the nation? 

58-25-6 looks like a pretty substantial lead to me. Looks like they're
wiser than you as far as knowledge of state abreviations goes.


-- 
Todd Nix                       (512)794-2855                todd@halaus.hal.com
 Movement1981-1982Power,Corruption,andLiesLowLifeBrotherhoodSubstanceTechnique
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Family leave farce (was a most pressing COncern)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:54:15 GMT
Distribution: usa, na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <9601@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:

>I consider it morally wrong to use the power of government to extort
>from somebody, something that that somebody is not willing to give up
>voluntarily.

What about extortion of service?   Does your principle extend to draft
service, and to people who do not want to give up their time voluntarily?
So you would say that even if Clinton used chicanery to avoid the 
draft (I don't beleive this) then he acted morally in doing so?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: drevik@utkvx1.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve)
Subject: Re: Quayle's a liar!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:37:00 GMT

In article <Bw4LEn.HDD@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes...
>In article <farenebt.719071511@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:
>>In the debate, Quayle made reference to something in Al Gore's
>>book _Earth in the balance_. Quayle made reference to a proposal
>>on a specific page. CNN reported that there was nothing on that
>>page about whatever Quayle was refering to. 
>>
>    Gore did call for an enviromental Marshall plan in his book.
>    The Republicans say the M. plan cost $100B in today's money,
>    therefore...
> 
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Disclaimer: all opinions are mine.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


There WAS a reference on the page listed, but it was NOT specific 
that WE should spend $100B a year.  It just proposed a similar effort
could be made for the environment.  THEN if you READ on pg. 303 (I think), 
Gore CLEARLY makes the point that the United States should NOT foot
the entire bill, or even more than half.  He CLEARLY makes the point
that Europe and Asia have plenty of money to help.

Reading... it's an amusing pastime.  I enjoy it so much more than
TV and listening to Rush Limbaugh.
-s


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From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: And Hence Abortion is NOT Murder
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:06:57 GMT

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

> Why is it so hard for some people to realize that you are extremely 
> stupid if you jam a coathanger inside your body to abort a baby?

Why is it so hard for some people to realize that you are extremely 
desperate if you jam a coathanger inside your body to abort a baby?
^^^^^^^^^
Mr. Krueger, I hope this enables you to see that your statement above
is extremely callous, and would be repudiated by more intelligent
right-to-lifers.

> In order to make abortions safe for those stupid people, we get a
professional to jam a coathanger inside your body?

Mr. Krueger, could you show me a medical supplies catalog that lists
coat hangers?  You don't have much regard for anything than your
ideology, do you, Mr. Krueger?

> Something here does not make sense.

That 'something' is you, Mr. Krueger.  I trust that your answer will
be a little more substantiative than "Ha, ha, you missed the smiley."

> "Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."

At >7% unemployment, a lot of things are easier than getting a job.

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
BULLWINKLE: "You just leave that to my pal.  He's the brains of the outfit."
GENERAL:    "What does that make YOU?"
BULLWINKLE: "What else?  An executive..." -- Jay Ward
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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: The Decline of America: U.S. #1 in Armaments; #0 in Providing for Citizens
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:00:16 GMT

The Decline of America: U.S. #1 in Armaments; #0 in Providing for Citizens


============================================================
  Percentage of central government expenditures spent on
housing, social security, welfare, and related programs; and
          percentap spent on the military, 1987-89:(18)
============================================================

                HOUSING, SOCIAL

COUNTRY         SECURITY, WELFARE  MILITARY

Sweden                55.9           6.5
Switzerland           50.6          10.3
Germany               49.4           8.7
Austna                48.3           2.7
Belgium               43.9           4.7
France                40.7           6.1
Netherlands           40.6           5.0
Norway                39.6           7.8
Italy                 38.6           3.6
Denmark               37.8           5.4
Canada                37.0           7.3
Spain                 37.0           6.S
Finland               36.5           5.1
United Kingdom        34.8          12.5
New Zealand           33.8           4.8
Ireland               30.3           2.8
Japan                 30.3           6.5
Australia             29.3           8.9

United States         29.3          24.6

Sources (for chart and text): The World Bank, World Development Report
1991 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 225; Intemrnational
Monetary Fund, Government Finance Statistics Yearbook 1990
(Washington, D.C.: IMF, 1990), pp. 58-63.

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_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New    
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.   

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    "America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.   
    This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage. The   
    facts it reveals will startle you. They may depress you. But   
    ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation."   

                        -Robert B. Reich, author of The Work of Nations