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From: tabrock@gacvx2.gac.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Need a good accounting package
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:59:50 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

I am looking to purchase an accounting package for Macintosh that supports
multiple users, inventory tracking, payroll, customer database, purchase
orders, and everything else a good medium-size business package should.  Any
suggestions on where to start looking??

Thank you for any help you can give

Nick Solinger
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:18498 comp.sys.mac.programmer:19740 comp.sys.mac.misc:20557
From: mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert W. Quesal)
Subject: Re: Latest ATM?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:35:24 GMT

>>   I believe the ~$10 deal is the one where Adobe would send you ATM
>>for $7.50 s/h, including four of the Adobe Garamond typefaces.  The
>>number was 800-521-1976x4400.
>
>I just ordered this last night.  The person on the phone said to allow
>6-8 weeks, as they are back-ordered.  It is $7.50, the phone number is
>correct, but I think you get a different set of typefaces.
>-- 
>Mark A. Fulk			University of Rochester
>Computer Science Department	fulk@cs.rochester.edu

I just got mine this afternoon.  It took more like 3 weeks for it to
arrive, and no, the typefaces are still the Garamonds.   

BQ

-- 
Robert W. Quesal, Ph.D.           mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu 
Western Ill. U.                   mfrwq@ecnuxa.bitnet
                                  R-Quesal@bgu.edu
From: jmale@uranie.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Duplicating Coppy Protected Floppies
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:30:40 GMT
Reply-To: jmale@cosinus.inria.fr
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis

Adam|>           >> Hello. I have just bought some MIDI software from Opcode, and the disks
Adam|>           >> are coppy-protected. I have tried DiskCopy 4.2, DART, and some other
Adam|>           >> disk-copying programs, and they all give me error -71 (I think). Well, I
Adam|>           >> would like to make a back-up copy FOR MY OWN USE, and I dunno what to do.
Adam|>           >>  Can anyone suggest some program that will let me do this? (Hopefully
Adam|>           >> shareware/freewhere, and whre to get it)


		 I am trying to give you a possible way to do what you
		 want; to be able to give such advices, I first make
		 several assumptions that I will first list:

		 Assumptions :
		 1) On the original disks, there are invisible files
		    whose names are non-printable characters.
		 2) The software has a procedure installation that
		 let you install say 2 copies.

		 Workaround (possible)

		 1) first (trivial) case.
		    Install your software on a Mac and copy the
		    installed software. If the installation procedure 
		    isn't clever enough, it will not copy the invisible
		    files for the simple reason that all the macs are
		    differently organised.

		 2) If the installation procedure is clever enough to
		    copy those invisible files, it will copy them at
		    a place like the system folder, or the extension
		    folder. In that case, try to make a backup copy
		    of the whole disk with a backup program, and then
		    retrieve the invisible files on a diskette.
		    
		 In my opinion, the first should work.
		 I *KNOW* software for which that works.
		 If you have already tried that, forgive me.

		 Hope that helps.

-- 

  
	Jean-Michel MALE'		\\\\\
					 - - 
	INRIA, Projet SINUS,		  <  )
	Centre de Sophia-Antipolis	  \/
	06565 Valbonne (FRANCE)

	Email: jmale@mirsa.inria.fr



(Mort aux vaches !)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Anti-Viral Apple events (was Re: Add'l StuffIt Unpleasantness) 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:35:35 GMT

leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:
>	I have been improving the suite and working with developers (both the
>anti-viral folks & others) to incorporate support for the Anti-Viral Apple
>event suite into their products.  At this time all of the Mac AV products
>either support the suite (SAM 3.x, Rival 1.2, Virus Detective 4.x (application))
>or have promised to support it in their next revs (Central Point AV & Virex).
>Also, in addition to StuffIt, expect to see more products supporting sending
>them.
>	If anyone would like information about the AVAE suite, feel free to
>send me EMail.

It would be nice if someone would write a faceless AVAE server - the apps
that support it so far are much larger than they need to be to just
support the events, and as a client you could care less about large color
splash screens and the like.


-- 
 
 \ | /   | Brian Hall                 mspace@netcom.com
 - : -   | Mark/Space Softworks       Applelink: markspace
  /|\    |                            America Online: MarkSpace
 |-+-|   |
/-\|/-\  | PUI: Programming Under the Influence.
From: mattes@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: CAD Shareware program
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:33:59 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

Shareware CAD program for the Mac

I read in the December issue of MacUser about a shareware CAD
program. 

Does anyone knows the location on the internet ?

Thanks for your help

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: fullerto@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: Re: Duplicating Coppy Protected Floppies
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:18:49 GMT

In article <1gfmqdINN5a7@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell) writes:
>In article <85241@ut-emx.uucp> ifby661@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Adam) writes:
>>Hello. I have just bought some MIDI software from Opcode, and the disks
>>are coppy-protected. I have tried DiskCopy 4.2, DART, and some other
>>disk-copying programs, and they all give me error -71 (I think). Well, I
>>would like to make a back-up copy FOR MY OWN USE, and I dunno what to do.
>> Can anyone suggest some program that will let me do this? (Hopefully
>>shareware/freewhere, and whre to get it)
>the error -71 is a couldn't find data mark header error, at least in sys 7.01.
>You might try copying the files one at time, but I bet that if you then 
>copied them back to a floppy, they'd look to see if the disk was right, and 
>bomb...
>Copy II Mac with the MacTools package is supposed to deal with this kind of 
>thing to permit backup of any floppy....
>


	While I have usually had great luck with copy II mac, and even better
with MacBackup, the write protection scheme in Opcode products is just too
good. In other words, after considerable effort, I have never been able to 
back them up. If you find something which can do it, PLEASE let me know.

	Using MacTools, it appears that the write protection works by 
installing an invisible init/file into the system folder.


	Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: KidDesk vs. At Ease 
From: kmushal@eis.calstate.edu (KAYE MUSHALIK)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:12:51 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

winney@dal.mobil.com (Randy Winney) writes:
> Is anyone familiar with both KidDesk and At Ease? Do they both
> offer the same level of security? Do kids prefer one over the other?
> 
> winney@dal.mobil.com

Hi Randy,

I'm a teacher and was wondering the same thing. I went to a local kids
software store, KidTech, here in San Jose, California.  The owner did not
have At Ease yet but did have KidDesk. She said that, with KidDesk, you
can program several different desktops, thus, you could set up what
programs you wanted for several different groups or individuals. At Ease
only allows you to allow access to one group of applications/documents.

I still want to take a look at At Ease, but think KidDesk may be the way
to go in school.

Hope this was helpful.

***Kaye Mushalik***
Hillsdale Year-Round School
San Jose, California
From: owen@astro.washington.edu (Russell Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Qued/M 2.5, a review
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:13:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: rowen.owen-111292175725
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: University of Washington

Qued/M 2.5 review

Nisus Software (formerly Paragon) has finally released a 32-bit clean
version of Qued/M, their plain-text (e.g. source-code) editor. On the good
side, the upgrade is inexpensive ($30/copy). On the bad side, the Qued/M
2.5 includes little that is new and is still missing many features of Nisus
(Nisus Software's word processor) that are useful for editing plain text
files.

Improvements in Qued:
- can mark differences in files and help you merge differences into a 3rd
file (haven't tried this, but it sounds very nice)
- can save a file without changing its existing resources (optionally
adding Qued resources if you like)--finally a good way to edit text forks
of any file!
- balloon help (well done, too)
- supports the MPW tool server
- accepts user-written code modules to add functionality
- FINALLY (after years of begging) has a genuine Windows menu
- FINALLY (") has the ability to insert a file at the cursor
- 32-bit clean (why did this take so long?)

Omissions and Misfeatures
- no column editing! Arrgh! (unlike Nisus)
- no Nisus-style easy-grep! Arrgh! (PowerSearch)
- no glossary! Arrgh! (unlike Nisus)
- no multiple selection (unlike Nisus, but somewhat less useful for plain
text)
- text hiding (collapsed text) still has the same old bugs. It has needed a
complete overhaul ever since it was first introduced, but apparently
they've just given up--in fact they left the feature out of Nisus entirely.
- the ability to edit a text fork (preserve resources and file type) is a
global preference. You cannot temporarily override it to work on a single
file. This makes the feature far more difficult to use and dangerous than
it should be.
- many features shared with Nisus still work like old Qued instead of like
Nisus, generally to the detriment of Qued
- the "Catalog" (an alternative to the standard open--which is also
available) always auto-opens on startup--can't turn this off
- menu key equivelents cannot be assigned via Now Utilities' NowMenus (same
as Word and Nisus--and Now Utilities does it so much better!)
- no publish and subscribe

Good Features Shared with Nisus:
- multiple undo
- grep
- macros (ugly but useful)
- user-assignable menu keys
- good handling of multiple windows
- can search unopened files
- probably robust--Qued/M 2.09 certainly was, and Nisus is
- multiple clipboards

The long wait for Qued owners wasn't worth it. When Nisus came out it was
immediately a better text editor than Qued, and that is still true in most
respects. However, Qued has a few useful features missing from Nisus,
including MPW tool server support, collapsed text and the ability to edit
text forks w/out disturbing resources. If you need those features, maybe
you should buy Qued. Otherwise, use Nisus. Nisus is by far the best plain
text editor I have used, and a good word processor as well.

Russell Owen
owen@astro.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mingo@world.std.com (Charles H Mingo)
Subject: Re: SoftAT demo Scandal?!?!? (Demo message *is* real!)
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:34:02 GMT

zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:

>Charlie isn't the only one who spoke with Insignia; I called them...

>It appears, then, that someone got hold of one of these "demo copies"
>of SoftAT and uploaded it to the archives, either not realizing or
>not caring that the "demonstration" message relates to how the copy
>is *supposed* to be used, not how it *can* (or can't) be used.

Nope, I checked that possibility.  The "demo" version has a serial
number of all "9999", while the archives copy has a serial number
of AT-29002409/001.  The Insignia tech support people personally
confirmed to me that this copy had indeed been sold commercially.

It is not a demo.  It is a fully-functional copy sold commercially.
The existance of the salesmen's demo is irrelevent, since this is
not such a thing.



-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Charlie Mingo                           	Internet: mingo@well.sf.ca.us
2209 Washington Circle #2   CIS: 71340,2152       	  mingo3@aol.com
Washington, DC  20037       AT&T:  202/785-2089   	  mingo@world.std.com
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Willmaker - opinions?
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:11:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Anyone have any comments on Willmaker? I'm thinking about getting it
now that we've got a baby in the family. I don't know when we'd get
the time and money to see a lawyer about a Will, so I'm hoping this
software will let me specify guardianship, trust fund, additional
beneficiaries, etc.

Thanks for any comments,
Ralph
rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
-- 
Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!")
Subject: Help on MacTCP
Reply-To: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:00:26 GMT

Thanks for the answers on MacTCP. I am now eddycated.

The end-all of info on MacTCP is Eric Behr's info file on MacTCP and related
software, available from his home machine spider.math.ilstu.edu as
/pub/mac/mac-tcp.txt
or from (I assume it's sumex, the directory looks like it, tho it didn't say)
/info-mac/reports/mac-tcp-info.txt

and thanks to Jaap Romers and whoever was the other fellow (Eric Behr himself?)
who sent me this whole text file.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Circuit design software wanted.
From: bobjen@darwin.ntu.edu.au (Bob Jenner)
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:27:27 +0900
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

In article <1992Dec14.192554.4492@linus.mitre.org>, adz@mitre.org (Andrew
D. Zenowich) wrote:
> 
> I am looking for an electronic circuit design package for the macintosh
> platform. I am interested in designing both analog and digital circuits. I
> would like to get any information about what packages are out there, to
> purchase or shareware, that would do either one or both of these simulation
> tasks. 
> 
> Some one here mentioned LogicWorks for digital, has anyone used this? Any
> good?

Yes, I have used LogicWorks as a design tool as well as a teaching aid. The
simulation is excellent, even to the extent of picking up static hazards
due to gate delays. Interactive timing diagrams are also available. The
range of devices is  extensive and you can encapsulate complex circuits
inside your own graphics as library functions. There is a library of analog
symbols so that it functions well as a circuit drawing tool. Some of the
logic symbols are non-standard (at least in my old version). As a tool for
teaching digital it is without peer. Students were able to build a
simulated CPU identical to the one in their text book (Bartee) and check
the timing diagram of each instruction's execution. PLA and ROM simulation
is also provided. Student editions are available at low cost..check with
Capilano.

To me, LogicWorks rates as the most outstanding software I have used.

  There is always SPICE to do the analog simulation but are there any
> others? With schematic capture? Anything that will handle both digital and
> analog components in the same design?
> 
> All information or comments are welcome. I will summerise and repost for
> all those that are interested.
> 
> Drew


Cheers
Bob Jenner
Northern Territory University
Darwin, Australia
From: jbasara@ssdc.UUCP (Jim Basara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: screen saves and system 7
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:45:50 GMT
Organization: Sterling Software IMD, Vienna, Va.

We are doing screen saves, importing them into word perfect, and then 
importing that document into Microsoft Word.  All of this is done on 
a Mac IICI under system 7.  However, it appears that only machines
with System 7 running can view the pictures within the document.  The
text appears fun, but the pictures appear as a big blank.  The other
system 6.0.7.

is this a system 7 phenomenon??? help....


--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Basara
     uunet!ssdc!jbasara                "All the other nations are drinking
     jbasara%ssdc@uunet.uu.net         Ray Charles beer, and we are drinking
                                       Barry Manilow." - Dave Barry
From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Wrap text WITHIN a graphic: How?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:47:59 -0500

 
  GF> She occasionally has a need to create text in a large oval shape.  The
  GF> problem is, most software that does text wrapping assumes you want to
  GF> go AROUND an object.  She wants to draw an oval and have the text wrap
  GF> WITHIN the oval.

This can be done quite easily with FreeHand.
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: akash@brahms.udel.edu (Akash Sharma)
Subject: Re: How do you read a corrupted Word 5 document?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:37:41 GMT

	This is supposes to be a last resort thing, and you will need another
software package--Mactools (comes as a part of Copy II Mac).  Open Mactools
and find your desired file in the list.  The list is hierarchial like the 
windows for any open command.  When you have your file, click and highlight it.
Under the File menu, select the InfoEdit option.  When the window appears,
in File Type section type- WDBN, and in the File Creator type- MSWD.
Quit Mactools.  Open your file with Word.  I used this technique when I was
desperate to salvage a term paper.  I have since then found other creative
uses for this procedure.
Akash.
akash@ravel.udel.edu
University of Delaware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: CheckFree opinions ?
Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:51:28 GMT

I seem to remember seeing specific experiental opinions of CheckFree
around here, a long time ago.  Anyone care to relate what they think
of the product now ?  I don't remember what was said.  Is this thing
reliable?  It looks really neat, but MacUser gives it only 3.5 mice,
so I fret a little.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Eric W. Sink, Spyglass        | "You are the Pan."
1800 Woodfield Drive          |     - Rufio
Savoy, IL  61826              |
---- e-sink@uiuc.edu ---------|---------- 217-355-6000 -----------------------
From: tcwan@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Any experiences with Publish It Easy, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:12:22 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Hello :)

I purchased the Norton Utilities Bundle from MacWarehouse recently, which
came with Publish It Easy 2.1.9 and Dollars and Sense 5.0 (as well as 
The Hunt for Red October, which is a port from the PC). I realize that these
programs are probably quite out of date, but I was wondering if anyone
has any experience with them (I haven't had time to play with them much, if
at all)

There was a coupon to upgrade Publish It Easy to Ver 3.0 for about $60, what's
in the new version? My impression of ver 2.1.9 is that it's incredibly slow,
even when I'm just typing in something in Full Size view. I realize that this
is no PageMaker, but it's too sluggish for in document editing.
Does v.3.0 improve on this? Is it worth considering?

I couldn't find Dollars and Sense in any Mail order catalogs -- is this
program basically defunct (version 5.0 is dated 1990)?

I'd appreciate any comments, experiences, etc.
Thanks,
t.c.
#I speak for myself, obviously :)
From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: (!) SofatAT Demo location
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:34:27 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:

>In article <parkyn.724003317@sfu.ca> parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:

>>SoftAT-251 demonstration file seems to have disappeared. I just checked
>>a 'sumex-aim mirror site' and SoftAT is no longer in the DEMO directory.
>>
>>There is still the SoftAT-252-updater in the UTIL directory.
>>
>>I recently have seen 'rumours' of a SoftPC Windows 3.0 version. I
>>would like opinions on its usefulness. What CPU speed do you have
>>and 'how close to crazy' does it drive you?
>>

>They say you'll basically need a quadra to emulate 386 speeds under
>windoze (which ain't that hot).  If you can afford that kind of
>machine, odds are you could've gotten a PC clone that's faster than
>SoftWindows will ever be.

>Some economies are not...

>Still, if you've got a Quadra and need to run a little windows
>stuff...

>jas
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeffrey A. Sullivan             | Research Scientist et al.
>jas@isi.edu (Internet)          | Information Sciences Institute
>72511,402    (Compuserve)       | University of Southern California

I don't care about windoze, but I do want extended memory. Does this
new version support extended memory and protected mode?  The price is too
high considering the price of real hardware but I really don't have the desk
space to support the little amount of DOS stuff I need to do at home.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: neilc@wallaby.stanford.edu (Neil Crellin)
Subject: Re: SoftAT Scandal?!?!?!?
Organization: Department of Statistics, Stanford University
	<BzGtwv.12t@world.std.com> <1992Dec18.212103.26419@netcom.com>
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:28:57

zoetrope@netcom.com (Devan DzM MacFarlane) writes:

   The world paused when mingo@world.std.com (Charles H Mingo) said:
   >tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
   >>>Insignia has net access.  You can reach them at insignia@netcom.com.
   >>It's insignia.uucp, actually. And we don't have a newsfeed as such.
   >According to your Mountain View tech support dept, Insignia can be reached
   >at the netcom.com address.  I don't know what arrangements you have in
   >the UK.
   Below is the finger file of insignia on netcom.com:
   Login name: insignia                    In real life: Insignia Solutions
   Directory: /u8/insignia                 Shell: /bin/csh
   Never logged in.                                                 
   No unread mail                                                       
   No Plan.
   ----
   So I guess it would be fair to say that yes, they do have a NetCom account
   and no, they never use it.

Au contraire, a second's further inspection reveals that mail to
insignia@netcom.com is forwarded to Insignia Solutions Inc.
aka <sophia@insigmv.uucp>. Not that any of this Internet detective
work and bickering matters a damn. You can call them or email them or
write them or fax them. Ok?

-Neil Crellin, Statistics, Stanford University.