HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sweiss@Gain.COM (Scott D. Weiss)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Stanford First Get Together?
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:43:13 GMT

Does anyone know when the "Welcome to Stanford" get-together will be
held at the Fire Truck House?

This message is really just a test of the "ba-motss@ucbvax.berkeley.edu"
path, but I'm curious, just the same.

And de-muffining myself at Gain.

	Scott (sweiss@gain.com)
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: 12 Questions You Didn't Know You Had About Gay Square Dancing
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:17:10 GMT
Distribution: ba

In article <1992Sep8.215807.19409@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)  
writes:
> But I hated square dancing in junior high.  Why would I enjoy it now?
> 
>    Probably a lot of the reason you didn't like it back then was
> having to dance with yucky boys or yucky girls.  Guess what?  They're
> not yucky anymore!

And in this case, they're not boys (for you girls) or girls (for you
boys) at all!

:-)

--
Nik Gervae
Software Publications, NeXT Computer, Inc.
ngervae@next.com
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Xref: sparky ba.motss:1551 ba.politics:5073
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Over & OUT
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:45:52 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) wrote: 
->So, do queer-negative queers deserve to be outed? 

absolutely.  anything less would be untruthful and hypocritical ...
some "turnabout is fair play" fits in here, too ... 

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Over & OUT
Date: 5 Sep 1992 00:02:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep3.145416.16553@pcnntp.apple.com> (Craig Webb) writes:

[Very interesting article about QW and the Advicate outing queers with
negative voting records deleted to save space]

->Opinions?


Hmm ... my feelings about outing are somewhat ambivalent ... 

On one hand, while I'm completely out to my friends, peers, etc (not to
mention 100,000 strangers on Usenet :) ), I'm still not out to my parents,
primarily because my sister and I have decided that they wouldn't
particularly like the idea (I don't doubt they wouldn't accept me, but they
would be confused, sad, and worried ... not to mention that it would be hard
to explain what makes me bi, rather than gay ... ).  So I could conceivably
be outed to my parents (one of the first things I did when I made the
decision I was bi was to take out my parents phone number from my finger
info) ... and that would be, well, bad.  One of those thing that would earn
a person a place in my "People to look for in the obits" list :)

On the other hand, I'm a fairly nice person, haven't hurt anyone, don't plan
to hurt anyone, and certainly don't plan to ever act queer-negative ... 

So, do queer-negative queers deserve to be outed? Hmm ... I think so ... I
mean, IMHO, if someone is queer-negative, and is queer, maybe it's time for
hir to experience what it's like to be publicly queer.

Quite simply, outing, as I see it, is a form of punishment.  It should be
used only in cases where the victims deserve it ... 

Being the son of a queer-negative person, BTW, doesn't cut it.  I think in
that case, the decision was faulty (well, I can't make judgements about
other people's decisions ... *I* wouldn't have outed him, but then again I'm
not quite as politically active as I assume the Advocate staff is ... ).


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Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: steve@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com (    Steve de Simon)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Brain Sex
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:35:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Neely Golden Gate Area (Northern Calif.)

Thanks for the referral -- you might also check out this month's
Scientific American, as the entire issue is devoted to the brain, and one
whole article deals with current research on sex and sexuality
differences due to structural differences in the brain.  The article
does point out, however, that the results have to be interpreted
carefully, as they don't prove that the structural differences existed
from conception through adulthood -- only that adult brains were
structurally different depending on their gender and sexual orientation.
The brain does still grow and change throughout childhood, and it could
just as well be the case that some common experience of all individuals
of one sex or sexual orientation somehow influenced the brain to develop
differently at later stages in life.  We still can't say for sure
whether brain structure differences led to certain behaviors or whether
the behavior made the brain structures develop differently throughout
childhood and perhaps even later on.  Only brains from dead adults have
been studied so far.  What's really needed is to somehow scan the brains
of a large group of individuals from many different demographic groups
every few months from birth through adulthood to see if and how life
experiences affect brain development, as well as to see how people born
with certain brain structures turn out in adult life.  I'm pretty sure
that current brain scanning equipment is too primitive, expensive and
dangerous to use for such a long-term study, but hopefully the
technology is close at hand.  Naturally, such research *could* be used for
evil ends, but the prospect of replacing century-old freudian psycho-babble,
not to mention centuries-old religious mythology, with hard scientific 
measurement, IMHO, is well worth the risk.
Xref: sparky ba.motss:1552 soc.motss:38388
From: thomas@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss,su.gay
Subject: ba.motss South Bay / Peninsula dinner announcement
Date: 6 Sep 1992 21:56:44 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: twink.mips.com

	When:	Thursday, September 24, 1992
	Where:	Chevy's Sunnyvale
		Sunnyvale Town Center (corner of Mathilda & Washington)
	Time:	7:00 pm (please be prompt)
	RSVPs:	Yes, to me as soon as possible


	It's time to pay a return visit to the home of Fresh Mex.
	Dishes include all the usual favorites, the fresh hot
	tortillas, chips, and salsa, and often-tasty waitstaff as
	well!  Your cost will depend on what you order; expect your
	total to be between $8 and $15.  This is a non-smoking event.

	I'll send directions when I acknowledge your RSVP.

	Invite a friend... newcomers always welcome!
-- 
Chris Thomas                                                (415) 390-4118
S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++                thomas@mips.com

Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: It's time for a poll...
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:06:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.034458.25317@genghis.borland.com> phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen) writes:
>If Clayton would
>just talk to some of us, he would realize that *WE* are not
>in favor of pedophilia!  

Clayton is not interested in talking.  He knows he's right, and anyone who
does not live, think, act, and believe like he does is sick, twisted,
perverted, criminal, or some other form of "bad."  His mind is apparantly
not capable of reaching the conclusion that he might be wrong, and anyone
who does not fit his (narrow) idea of "good" must fall into one or more of
the categories he considers "bad" (for example, he thinks that I am gay,
simply because I think he's a bigoted, prejudiced asshole).

>I would welcome the chance to speak to a man like Clayton.  'cause
>I still don't understand why people like that have such an ability 
>to H-A-T-E.

Because hating is easier than accepting.  Because it takes more energy to
decide to accept people for what they are, and try to learn who the
individuals are, than to just decide that anyone who fits a certain class
doesn't deserve to live.

And, yeah, it's a sad and scary fact.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton)
Subject: BANGLE: Contact Needed
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 04:24:48 GMT

I need to contact a person affilliated with BANGLE. E-mail, phone
number, or mailing address will work. (BANGLE = Bay Area Network
of Gay and Lesbian Educators)

Thanks!

-Dave

-- 
David G. Welton                             dgwelton@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
Master's Candidate			    
Social Science				    California State University, Chico
Xref: sparky ba.motss:1621 ba.market.misc:7070
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,ba.market.misc
Subject: Psychotherapist/counselor available in Palo Alto area
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:57:02 PDT
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

My friend, Barbara Cohen, is a psychotherapist and counselor with an MFCC
license.  She works with individuals and couples, adults and adolescents, gay
and non-gay, on various issues including abuse, substance abuse, loss and
grieving, and making relationships work.  Her phone number is (415) 325-9510.

______________________________________-______________________________________
David Schachter                                 david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
801 Middlefield Road, #8                  ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
Palo Alto, CA  94301-2916                 After 10 am, voice: +1 415 328 7425
From: marco@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marco Nicosia)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: BofA reverses BSA stand
Date: 14 Sep 1992 18:28:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug20.163408.28782@queernet.org> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:
>
>In general, though, Banks have no interest in priniciple. (Money talks).
                                   ^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, that's what Banks really *are* interested in...
Principle...
And interest on that principle!

Sorry, puns intended... :)

>...Max


-- 
____________________From the console of:____________________
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marco@ocf.berkeley.edu	University of California at Berkeley
marco@UCBOCF.BITNET	OCF Anti-Staff (staff@ocf)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen)
Subject: It's time for a poll...
Originator: phw@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:44:58 GMT

It makes me incredibly upset to hear Mr Cramer group the whole 
gay community with the NAMBLA community.  If Clayton would
just talk to some of us, he would realize that *WE* are not
in favor of pedophilia!  The reason that a lot of people think
we are in favor of it, is that we let the NAMBLA'ers speak.

He should also note that the NAMBLA folks who marched in the Pride
Parade were *NOT* welcomed by the crowd.  I do believe that they
had a right to march, and I have the choice to disagree with
their views.

I would welcome the chance to speak to a man like Clayton.  'cause
I still don't understand why people like that have such an ability 
to H-A-T-E.


-- 
--
Peter Weyzen      /  "Some day my log will have
phw@borland.com  /    something to say" -Log Lady
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Rob's memorial -- favor requested
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:10:49 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Is there anyone going to the September 26th memorial for Rob Bernardo
who could give me a ride from and, later, to the airport that day?

Times are negotiable.  In fact, choice of airport is also negotiable
(I'll be coming from LAX or Orange County).  My only constraint is that
I wouldn't want to get back to southern California *too* late that night
(not fair to my hosts).

Both addresses below are good, but the 'onion' one is slightly faster.

Thanks!

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: janina@netcom.com (World Institute on Disability)
Subject: Re: Learn to Square Dance
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 05:47:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

Blind square dancers?  Yes!  Yours truly (first post here, folks) would like
to be one -- a square dancer, that is -- I'm already blind.  So, anyone know
a group (the more lesbian the better) in SF?  
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Since I can't read the BayTimes
or the bulletin boards, word of mouth -- and ye MOTSSers are MY grapevine.
So, thanks in advance.
 
					Janina Sajka
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Rob Bernardo's Memorial Service
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:34:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Keywords: Rob Bernardo Memorial


What:  Rob Bernardo's Memorial Service

When:  Saturday, September 26, 1992 starting at 2 pm

Where: The R Bar JB, Rob's home at 4369 Rose Lane, Concord, CA.
       (Detailed directions are posted below.)

       A memorial service where Rob will be remembered by each of us
       sharing with Rob's friends and family will begin at 2 pm.  This
       will be followed by a BBQ and pot-luck in the manner for which
       Rob was famous.  We plan to start eating around 5 pm.

       Families, including children, are welcome to attend.  Start
       thinking about what you'd like to bring for the pot-luck
       (out-of-towners exempted!), chicken and ribs will be supplied.
       Bring a salad, dessert, vegetable dish, or beverages.

       If you have any photos of Rob, please bring them to share with
       others.  Also, if you would like to speak about Rob during the
       memorial, please let me know via e-mail or telephone so I can
       schedule you.  I'll broadcast another message next week.


Directions:     From San Francisco and San Mateo Counties:
			Get to the Bay Bridge in your favorite manner,
			take I-580 east, take SR24 east towards Walnut
			Creek, take I-680 north towards Concord/
			Sacramento.  (approx. 45 - 60 minutes total
			travel time.)

		From the Mid-Peninsula:
			Take either Dumbarton or San Mateo bridges to
			I-880, take I-880 north to Oakland, take SR24
			east towards Walnut Creek, take I-680 north
			towards Concord/Sacramento. (approx. 60 minutes
			total travel time.)

		From the South Bay:
			Get to I-680 north bound in Milpitas and head
			towards Concord/Sacramento.  (approx.  65
			minutes total travel time.)

		Once you are on I-680 north of the SR24 interchange (in
		Walnut Creek), go a few more exits. Exit on Treat Blvd.
		Take Treat Blvd. 3.7 miles east.  Turn right onto Rose
		Lane (just before major intersection with Cowell Road.)
		4369 is on the left almost at the very end of the
		street.  Number is on curbside mailbox and by front
		door.

		BART travellers:  Call when you get to the Concord
		station and we'll send someone out to pick you up.
		(510) 827-4301 or (510) 827-1609.

		Car pooling is encouraged.

Chuck
-- 
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chas@netcom.com  IP address: 192.100.81.100   Home: (415) 964-2819
{apple,claris,amdahl,tandem}!netcom!chas
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Brain Sex
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:23:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


The brain changes throughout life, even every day connections are
rearranged.  It is not unrealistic to assume that exposure to
odors, release of various hormones during sex, etc. could be 
responsible for the difference in morphology of certain brain
structures.  For instance, smelling a male person during sex
could cause certain associations and thus connections, densities,
etc. differently than smelling a female person.

I am wary of any research that claims to find a cause of different
brain morphology based on the state at death.  It would be like saying
that men's and women's brains are different because they wear 
different clothes.

Leslie


Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: RR.DTG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Troy Gilbert)
Subject: Stanford Opening Party
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:35:33 GMT

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The 1992-1993 Stanford Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Community Center

                   ORIENTATION CELEBRATION

Will be held on Thursday, October 8, 1992 in the OAK WEST Lounge
                   Tresidder Memorial Union

                            Agenda

     Open Reception for all community members     6:00 pm
     Announcements                                7:30 pm
     Socializing                                  until 10:00 pm

This year's Orientation Celebration is co-sponsored by the LGBCC and
GALA, the Stanford LGB Alumni Association.  We will be meeting in
Tresidder because our community has outgrown the LGBCC for this
event.  All students, staff, faculty, alumni, and friends of the
University are encouraged to come. Women, people with disabilities,
people of color, and bisexuals are especially encouraged to come.
Only the LGB community has been invited, so those members making
their first contacts will feel more comfortable.  Tresidder is
wheelchair accessible.

Special presentations/display tables will include:  Faculty and
Staff Domestic Partners Benefits, Parents and Friends of Lesbians
and Gays, Bisexual Discussion Group, the Bill DeFrank Lesbian and
Gay Community Center in San Jose, upcoming Alumni activities,
student organizations, and social events.

We look forward to seeing and meeting the entire Stanford Lesbian,
Gay, and Bisexual Community.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Gay Venture Capitalists:  Do They Exist?
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:31:31 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.

I suppose this sounds as weird in this group as it did when I asked it
of a straight venture capitalist.  But what the heck?

Do you know any local, lesbian or gay venture capitalists?  (i.e.,
someone who works for a venture capital investment firm.)  Even a
lesbian/gay-friendly venture capitalist seems rare.

Let me know by e-mail if you have sighted this rare creature.
-- 
____
\  /Dan Greening    Software Transformation   1601 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Rd, #100
 \/dgreen@sti.com   (408) 973-8081 x313       Cupertino, CA 95014
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Clinton/Gore Tea Dance
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:00:36 GMT

What follows is reproduced verbatim from a flyer I got at the North
Oakland United Democratic Campaign headquarters.  I don't have any
additional information.

------------------------------ begin inclusion ------------------------

                                 CLINTON/GORE
                       Supporters Unite at Thunder Bay
                    1 Bolivar Drive, Berkeley Aquatic Park

                                   Tea Dance
                              "Tea for Two in '92"

                     Sunday, September 20th - 3 to 7 p.m.

                        $2.00-$5.00 (minimum donation)
                               Food -- No Host Bar

                              Everybody is Welcome

                   For More Information Call (510) 524-0540

                                  Sponsored By
                      GAYS AND LESBIANS FOR CLINTON/GORE
                    All Proceeds Go To The Clinton Campaign

------------------------------end inclusion ---------------------------

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Brain Sex
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:49:08 GMT

Hey folks, just posting to let you know about a cool book/tv show I've
come across. It's called "Brain Sex" by Anne Moir and David Jessel. The
show is on the Discovery Channel, I believe tuesdays at 7pm. Part one
aired last night (and I missed it!).

The book is about how the brain is structured differently in males and
females, and how the level of male hormone during pregnancy affects
things such as sexual preference, "typical" gender-based behavior
patterns, gender identity, and other things. No mention of Dr LaVey
(is that the right name?), but they do confirm his findings. They
also mention some very fine-level distinctions in sexuality and other
gender-based traits of people.

This book totally changed my viewpoint on the inborn vs developmental
views of sexual preference. And it didn't even hurt!

--
Nik "can you tell I'm excited?" Gervae
Software Publications, NeXT Computer, Inc.
ngervae@next.com
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From: caroline@sco.COM (friend of a fiend)
Subject: lost info on LaHonda weekend
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:11:06 GMT




My news machine expired the article on the upcoming dance workshop
weekend in La Honda while I wasn't looking.

If the original poster, or someone, could e-mail a copy of this
article to me, I'd be very appreciative.  Address is:

    caroline@sco.com,
	 or 
    ...uunet!sco!caroline

many thanks,
=caroline=
-- 

It's been a bloody odd day.... not even a two plus two equals five kind of
day, more like two plus two equals ... fish ... or something.

						-- from 'Cages'
From: sari@ncd.com (Sari Lynn Goldbaum)
Newsgroups: ba.dance
Subject: Jitterbug, anyone?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:49:07 GMT
Organization: NCD


I'm a recent transplant to the Bay Area (Sausalito, to be exact) and I'm homesick for what you folks call "East Coast Swing" and I call "Jitterbug" or "Lindy".  I've found great places for West Coast Swing dancing, but really miss the music and feel of my native dances!  Any suggestions of places to go, or groups to contact?

Newsgroups: ba.dance
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McManara)
Subject: Ceili
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 19:03:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba


A ceili is an Irish Dance Party ( as opposed to a hooley, an Irish drinking
party). Comhaltas Ceoltoiri Eireann ( the Association of Irish Musicians)
has a ceili at the United Irish Cultural Center, 45th Ave off Sloat ( by
the main entrance to the zoo), in San Francisco, the 2nd Sunday of each
month. Starts about 7:00. ( Hooley after in the bar).

Then the third Tuesday of each month is dance instruction and practice,
at the UICCC, at 7:30.

So for September, that's Sunday the 13th for the Ceili and Tues the 15th
for the dance practice.

Cead mille failte ( a hundred thousand welcomes).

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: skanga@us.oracle.com (Shiraz Kanga)
Subject: Libraries
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:22:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Does anyone know of any libraries located in Foster City / San Mateo /
Redwood City. Any locations/phone nos will be appreciated

Thanxalot

shiraz

-- 
Shiraz Kanga (skanga@oracle.com) Tel: (415)506-5412 Fax: (415)506-7822
Analyst -- Desktop Tools Group -- Worldwide Technical Support -- 3OP11
Oracle Corporation 500 Oracle Pkwy, MS 659311, Redwood Shores CA 94065
"I work for Oracle - I speak and type (over here at least) for myself"