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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wilson blankets
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:32:15 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Bliss B Siman (ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
: custom work! They don't give enough information in the catalog to tell you what
: is a quarter horse cut for example. Maybe that's what I needed.

The various cuts can make a considerable difference in the fit.  Sterling
needs the Arabian cut from either Wilsun or Triple Crown to have a properly
fitting blanket.

My experience from working in retail tack is that the standard cut from
either company is best for a TB.  The QH cut is a bit more generous all
around, to fit the bulkier build of the breed.  The Arabian cut is a bit
shorter in the body proportions without changing the size measured.
The Draft cut is proprtionately bigger all over, since an 84" Shire is not
built the same as an84" TB.  

If you are in doubt, order one of their stock sheets or blankets in a
stock color and try it.  This also allows you to try the cut of the neck.  
Ask the company about their return policy when you do.  At the store where
I worked, we had people try blankets before they ordered custom if they
weren't sure of the size.

Also, make sure that you measure the horse properly.  The measurement
should be taken from the center of the chest to the point where you want
the rear of the blanket to hit.  Many diagrams of this show the measure to
the middle of the tail, which will give you a blanket that is too large.

Based on my experience, I also recommend that if you order from Wilsun or
Triple Crown you get the hardware with elastic insets, as they last longer.
I have dee rings for leg straps put on all of my horse clothes and use the
detachable elastic legs straps as needed.  I have been very happy with my
sheets and blankets.  The first Triple Crown I ever bought is still in
service after 8 years.  That one is only the nylon pack cloth; I'm
expecting even more from my cordura ones.  

Karen
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:34:29 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Stanley Krystek (krystek@alcor.bms.com) wrote:

: I also bought the bare back pad from Chicks about four years ago
: and my wife and I love them.  We use them for short rides and for 
: rides with the kids.  they are light and well padded.  

: We have also noticed that you cannot use the stirrups to mount
: so we mount from the rear using a small jump.  the stirrups 
: do help balance when a person is mounted.  For the price
: it is useful when you do not have the time to get saddle and all
: rigged up.

: stan

Stirrrups are not safe on a bareback pad!  If you are using the stirrups
for balance you are endangering yourself.  There is absolutely nothing on
a bareback pad to orevent the saddle from slipping around your horse.
Nothing!  The same thing that happens when you mount with the stirrups can
easily happen if you lose your balance while riding.  If you can't ride
without the using the stirrups, you shouldn't ride with them, and if you
can you don't need them.

With a saddle, the horse's withers and the tree of the saddle prevent this
type of sliding.  Even then a low withered horse can have problems.  

A bareback pad is good for protecting the rider's clothing and for padding
the horse's back.  The are not truly designed to replace a saddle,
especially with regard to stirrups.

Karen
From: cawalto@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Quarter horses
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:02:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <H.ea.xsADKXSptms@moko.saar.de>, micha@moko.saar.de write
>Last year I had the pleasure to ride a good western horse and it was a 
>high pleasure. So I want to know more about quarter horses about
>blood lines etc. Or a good book about this theme. Here they are
>very expensive, a gelding 6 - 10 years, western ridden but only 
>normal lessons (no reining lessons) not under 10.000 Dollar. And I believe
>this is expensive. Furthermore there don't exist so much Quarter
>Horses here in Germany and the most of them are show horses, which
>always lives in a stable and don't know to be ridden in a forest.
>So I want to know the average price for a gelding, a quiet horse
>isn't afraid of streets, has no problems if it must drive and with
>the horseshoemaker ? ;-). It have not to be a show horse, only a
>good friend which is easy to ride and isn't afraid, because here
>are many streets etc.
>I know it's difficult to speak about a average price of a horse, but
>I hope I get an answer. A Girl-friend of me is interested, too and so
>we have thought about to imported the horses from USA or Kanada.
> 
>Bye Claudia and Lucky
> 
>c/o micha@moko.saar.de
> 

Hi Claudia!

I can't tell you what the Average price of a QH is, but I can tell you what 
I paid for mine.  He is is 15.3 hands, and was 6 when I bought him.  I paid 
$2200 US.  He is very quiet, without being dead, and VERY thoroughbred 
looking, which is good since I ride hunt seat.  He wasn't very well trained 
when I bought him, he didn't like to get one of his leads and wouldn't go 
on the bit at all.  He was just barely started over small fences.  On the 
plus side, he was fine on trail, could be ridden in traffic, and had a 
super attitude.  He really tries hard to please, as a matter of fact I've 
never ridden a horse that has such a nice attitude.  I have been able to 
train him myself, and even took him to a few schooling shows this summer, 
his first shows ever.    He did really well at the last show, getting a 1st 
and two 2nds out of 3 classes:)  

My horse was probably on the cheap side because he wasn't trained.  It's a 
good way to save $ if you don't mind doing the work yourself and the horse 
is quiet (I've seen a few too many hospitals in my day to want a horse that 
is going to try to kill me on a regular basis!)  Good luck on your search!

Joanne and Cadillac (who's really, REALLY bored with winter!)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:50:08 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com wrote:
: I'm in the market for a quiet riding horse - something I can use to pony 
: young horses on the trail.   A local, whom I know nothing about, 
: has a 22-year old gelding quarter horse for sale - an ex-roping horse.  
: The horse appears to be in fairly good condition (I won't even think of 
: buying it without a vet check though).  My question is how old is too old? 
: or put another way, at what age do the health problems really start to 
: interfere with riding?   I'm very leery of buying a horse over 18 and 
: getting stuck with a basically unrideable mount.  The owner did let me 
: know that he had the horse on a complete feed - he won't keep weight on hay.

: So what's the net wisdom on this?  Would you take a chance on an aged horse
: that appeared perfect in every way except age?  

It would depend on factors such as price and how much work you want to do
with the horse.  If a horse this old won't keep weight on hay, he probably
has dental problems.  You might get lucky and get some good years from
him--I know older horses who are school horses, but it is a gamble.  Have
you tried the horse for the intended purpose?  An older horse isn't always
a quiet horse.  What will this ex-competitor do if a youngster acts up?
For the right price and with a clean (or relatively so) vet check, it might
be worth a try.  Just make sure the horse can/will do the job first.  If
the horse passe the vet, use and price tests, I'd give it a try.

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Transporting my 4-legged friends
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:11:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

I second the nomination for Blue Chip.  Although I personally have never
had to have a horse shipped, my trainer has used him exclusively to haul
a horse who is a miserable shipper (he once put his rear hoof through
the bus-style windows on a two horse and got it stuck there) with nary a
problem to & from the QH congress for many years.  I also purchased my
trailer from Chip when he worked at Packard trailers and I found him to
be knowledgeable & honest.

Mary 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:33:51 GMT

>In article <1993Jan6.222914.7390@gvl.unisys.com>, red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis) writes:
>> Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
>> common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
>> but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
>> Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
>> while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.

I would think that a private party could make any rule they wished
about a deposit, but from my experience in the general Chicagoland
area, professional horse dealers here consider a deposit similar to
"earnest money".  It is refundable.  You have a specified number of
days to have the horse vet checked and make up your mind.  For one
horse I bought, the deposit was refundable based on my decision.  In
another case, the deposit was refundable if the horse did not vet
sound (or suitable for the purpose intended).

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
>>
From: milnes_j@lincoln.gpsemi.com (James A Milnes)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Polo Info Wanted!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:34:49 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A77335AABA0270B5@mac_oob1.lincoln.gpsemi.com>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:44:10 GMT
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Hello,
         can anybody out there give me some information on the either the
history of the game,the rules or both.

Much Appreciated.
=================================================================
Colin Helliwell
(colh@lincoln.gpsemi.com)
GEC Plessey Semiconductors
Lincoln 
ENGLAND
=================================================================
From: cvadrgih@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Quarter Crack Glue-On Patches...
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:40:38 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgih

Has anyone out there used Mustad's Quarter Crack Glue-On Patches?
Do they work?  I'm asking for a friend who's ex-racing Thoroughbred has
a Quarter-Crack.  Thanks...
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Natural-Ride?
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:33:27 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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I'd recommend against stirrups on bareback pads.  Your weight will
cause them to turn turtle in the worst of situations and you could be
hurt really badly.

Sarah Pallas
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:40:37 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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Linda Harbin (linda@linda.intel.com) wrote:

: Sherri - what you are describing does not sound like a Natural-Ride.  I have a 
: Natural-Ride saddle.  Got it from Colorado Saddlery.  In Oregon, as well as 
: some other states, bare-back saddles are illegal.  They can no longer be sold.  
: The Natural-Ride saddle was 'invented' for this reason.  It is a bare-back pad
: on a saddle tree.  Mine is very sturdy and fits Reba snug, just like a saddle.
: I have not had any problems with it slipping on her.  I can get on and off her
: numerous times during a ride without any problems.  I absolutely love it!  It
: weighs about 5 lbs (probably weighs more but compared to my regular
: western saddle, it is REALLY light), and I can just throw it up on Reba and be
: off riding in a matter of minutes.  I would much rather ride bareback but since
: I have such a hard time getting on Reba bareback, and since bareback-pads
: are no longer sold in Oregon, this Natural-Ride is ideal for me.

When were bareback pads outlawed in Oregon?  I find this amusing in a way,
since the company which make what I consider to be the nicest bareback
pads around is out of Lake Oswego.  I think its a good idea though, since
it's hard to convince people to use them without stirrups.

Karen
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: ACK! RAIN ROT!!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:20:38 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Just wanted to say THANKS to everyone who responded with great
advice for my poor infected beast. 100% concurrence said: "rain
rot," and to wash with some type of iodine shampoo and then apply
anti-fungal ointment. Many also said to wash the blanket as much as
possible (rinsing twice), and take it off to "breathe" whenever
the weather was warm enough.

Again, thank you thank you thank you. Soon, hopefully, the oozing
disgusting sores will be replaced by shiny brown hair (probably
sometime around July).

Thanks again!

=gwyn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:08:27 GMT

      It's hard to tell.  If a horse has really good leg conformation and good
health, they can go on for a long time.  One of my horses is a TB cross
in his early thirties.  He's still rideable, and quite spirited.  But
he's had about one serious medical crisis per year for the past several
years.  We have to be unusually careful about his feed, giving him a hot 
bran mash every day.  

      I could see buying a horse in his early 20s if he vets totally
sound in the legs, with X-rays, and has good conformation in legs and
back.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis)
Subject: Deposit when buying a horse
Reply-To: red@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:29:14 GMT

Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.

Please fill me in on common practice.  I'd like to be firm and state that
it is a non-refundable deposit, but I'd like to know how others have handled
it.

Thanks.

Rebecca Davis
red@vfl.paramax.com

============
REPONDEZ S'IL VOUS PLAID  =  Honk if you're Scots
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:30:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.171546.13051@torsqnt.tor.sequent.com> clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley) writes:
>krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
>
>>I don't know much at all (translate to 'anything') about breeding.  So
>>could someone please explain what 'cull' is???
>
>from The Concise Oxford Dictionary:~
>cull:  pick, select from flock etc and kill (surplus animals etc)~

And from The American Heritage Dictionary:
cull: v. to pick out from others; select, n.  Something picked out
from others, esp. something rejected because of inferior quality.

>in this case selecting your best horses to keep and selling the rest.

And with these horses, the "worst" are still better than a lot of what's
out there.

	Joy Metcalf
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: trudy@vcd.hp.com (Trudy Benjamin)
Subject: For Sale
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:54:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I am posting this for a friend (also my trainer).  For more information,
you can email me or call her (Joanne Watson) directly at (503)663-1014.
Horse is in Gresham, Oregon, a suburb east of Portland.

               For Sale

    8 yr old, 16 h chestnut Thouroughbred mare

             Asking $3700   

Pleasant Whisper(aka Goldie)  was shown pre-green hunter last year, with some
wins and placings, aquiring some NWHC points.  Goldie is a cute horse and
a good jumper (comments of a hunter judge, when I signed up for sit with the
judge).  But probably the best thing about her is her temperment and 
willingness to work.  Working with Goldie really helped Joanne improve
seeing her distances, since Goldie's calmness allowed her to concentrate
on herself.   Goldie easily does flying changes, basic lateral moves, 
sholder-in, etc.  In addition, she is just a sweet horse, and has this 
beautiful long neck which is especially evident when she is begging for 
goodies.

Downside:  Reason for selling is too many horses, and while a good hunter
jumper, Goldie is not up to Grand Prix jumper potential, which is Joanne's
eventual goal.  For honesty, she does have some scars on her legs.  She 
fell in the trailer, and banged up her knee.  All x-rays show clean, and
she moves sound, but there is a slight puffiness around the knee.


-------------
Trudy and Jake ( 9 yr old TB who is Goldie's stablemate )
From: dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:54:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]


    The choice of time and frequency seems a little strange to me.


   On 20 Metres you have the opportunity of a net open to much more of
the world than just the US time zones, yet the time means that most
Europeans will be hard at work earning money for feed and farriers !


   Were a compromise time chosen, I'd have a go.

   Cheers
           David    GM4ZNX
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Material for breeches
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:00:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Yes! I have an adress for a place that sells the EXACT type
of material usd for breeches (my mom has in the past made me
some with it). It is called SUITABILITY
                    1355 West 89th Street
                    Cleveland, OH  44102
They sell a whole mess of patterns (everything from leg
wrap patterns to dressage coats!) They constantly get new and
different material for breeches (they have stretch denim and
the material that PIKUR uses for their breeches!!!!). They 
also sometimes carry horsey buttons and the leather for
leather patches on breeches. They suggest some other sources 
for horsey patterns and materials.  They are:
1.) The Rain Shed (excellent source if you make horse blankets!)
    (503) 753-8900
    707 NW 11th, Corvalis, OR  97330
    $1.00 (well worth it!) for the cataolg
2.) Fields Fabric
    (800) 67ULTRA or (616) 455-4570
    

Good luck and happy sewing!!!!!
Sonja
Kai & Feathers (the 2 mudballs!)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:31:13 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Patty Howell (patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov) wrote:

:  o.k.! now we're getting somewhere! Anyone know a catalog with
:  DevonAire (let's immediately hone in on the shortest!) and/or
:  the 'semi-custom' approach? I generally don't have a problem 
:  with the basic shoe size, as long as I can get a 5 or 6.
:  About what is a DevonAire going to cost?

:  There were boots in the Dressage Extensions catalog around the
:  $400-$600 mark that may very well have been 'semi-custom.'
:  Please tell me this is not a general 'semi-custom' price!
:  The local tack shop only has 3 pairs of dress boots, one of 
:  which is their 'custom made' sampler. So they're really no help.

: THANKS EVERYONE! I may actually end up with a pair of boots that fit
: out of this! Isn't netland wonderful?

: patty

Not sure for catalogues, but you can try giving the shop where I worked a
call or drop a note.  The place changed ownership last year, so I don't
know what's changed.  When I was there finding special orders was a specialty.
Especially in hunt/dressage/combined training.  We used to carry both the
DevonAire and Bond boots.  

Glastonbury Tack Shop
2671 Main Street
Glastonbury CT 06033
203-633-8565

When I need something and can't find it locally, they are still the first
place I try.  

Karen
From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Jobhunting
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:08:44 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.


Hey everybody,I hope you all had a great Christmas,and the best of luck for '93.				As it's the New Year it's about time I started
looking for a summer job.I'm in first year in college here in Dublin so I have 
to earn a bit of money to pay my fees.
			I've been thinking of going to America or Canada to 
work with horses this summer,but I wouldn't know where to begin to look for a 
job.I would be very grateful if people could help me with info on how to find
a horsey job over there,and any addresses or contacts would be great.
	Here are my details:

I am 18 yrs old and I am a science student at T.C.D in Dublin.   
I have been riding for several years and have two summers experience of work
with horses(at a riding school) aswell as weekends.
My standard of riding is quite good and I have exp. of teaching beginners also.
I am used to the hard work associated with this type of work and believe I am
a loyal worker.
My regular address is: Kevin Crowley,
			8 Rathbeale Crescent,
                         Swords,
                          Co. Dublin,
                           Ireland.


I would much appreciate any help in finding work over there.
                                      Thanks in advance,
                                                        Kevin.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:13:50 GMT

In article <2463@gandalf.intel.com> linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes
>Natural-Ride saddle.  Got it from Colorado Saddlery.  In Oregon, as well as 
>some other states, bare-back saddles are illegal. They can no longer be sold.  
>are no longer sold in Oregon, this Natural-Ride is ideal for me.
>

Bareback-pads are illegal?!?  I wonder what in the world was the reasoning
behind making such a law?

Is it just illegal to sell them, or if a policeman happens to see you riding
with a bareback pad, can he give you a ticket?  What about riding totally
bareback, no pad at all?

What other states have this law?  Do you know?

Casey
(Kristin Harvey)
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