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From: cup.portal.com!Neon%portal@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Re: Clinton's position on AIDS
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6024
Organization: unspecified
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:15:41 PDT

In an article 8/25/92 10:19 106/4984 tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
writes:

>However much one dislikes the policies of the Bush Administration, support
>for AIDS has been and is now incredible.  The facts are that AIDS gets about
>2 Billion a year for research.  The budget for education on AIDS is some 350
>Million (and which, unfortunately, targets the low ris groups).
>
>Compared to Breast cancer, AIDS funding is astounding, especially since
>Breast cancer kills many more people than AIDS.  Funding for research of
>diseases should be proportioned fairly in view of the number of people
>affected and at risk.  WHO's 1985 figure of 400 million was a gross
>overstatement.  And besides, no one gives press releases about the world
>figure for diseases such as Breast cancer.  When charted by careful analysis
>of the statistics, AIDS does not come close to touching the Breast Cancer
>problem, especiallly here in America.

Though this statement recieved many replies justifying these admittedly
large sums of money spent on "AIDS Research" no one challenged the blatent
lie which the Bush Administration foists on the public that "billions are
being spent on AIDS research."  A recent mailing from Project Inform pointed
out that the actual amount of money spent on basic research by the government
is a very small fraction of the oft touted "billions".  Our Republican
friends in the White House lump together all kinds of funds to come up
with this ridiculous figure - Social Security Disability, Medicade and
Medicare funds, and any fund for any programs related to AIDS.  In fact,
this year, the NIH budget for AIDS research is being cut.

So besides outright lies, we have a strategy of divide and conquer, leaving
cancer patients and PWA's to fight it out over the scraps that our government
deigns to throw us.

Meanwhile, these "billions" are spent not so much as research but as
welfare after we are too sick to work and become too destitute to pay for
medical bills which are, as a matter of course, paid for in any other
industrialized country.
Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com
A mad as hell PWA.
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From: kwald@tinored.cu (Karen Wald )
Subject: re:dyer on aids
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6061
Organization: unspecified
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:58:44 EST

Steve Dyer responded to a Radio Habana Cuba news story about AIDS in 
Cuba, and a forthcoming conference here, rejecting each and every 
statement as a lie or fabrication or cover-up. 
Contrary to his assertion that "no one has any reason to 
believe" the figures on AIDS in Cuba (or, presumably, anything else 
the Cubans have to say), there ARE people who have reason to believe 
it -- the HIV-positive Cubans and Cuban PWAs who live and work in 
these sanitoriums, some of them as doctors, nurses, accountants, 
book-keepers, statisticians, etc. They have no reason to "cover up" 
a state policy that dyer believes is "imprisoning" them, and they 
have first-hand knowledge not only of the numbers involved but the 
benefits: excellent medical care, medicine, food, housing, income 
maintenance, emotional support and longevity. That doesn't mean that 
they necessarily *like* a system which uproots them in order to save 
their lives, but most of them do place *living* on a higher scale 
than the ambiguous "freedom" of pwa's in other countries 
who have no access to medical care, are out of work, living in the 
streets, and can't get the medicines that might keep them alive.
They simply don't believe you have any freedom at all when you are 
dead.

It would be interesting to know how many people out there think like 
Steve Dyer, or at least have serious doubts, to determine whether it 
is worth asking some of these Cubans with HIV and AIDS to write a 
response to Dyer. You can send your responses -- pro or con -- or 
requests for more information to infosida@tinored.cu, with copies to 
kwald@tinored.cu and if there is enough interest, we will put 
something in the conference.

In any case, a group of people in the San Francisco Bay Area have 
invited Dr. Jorge Perez, director of the first AIDS sanitorium in 
Cuba, and a hero to most AIDS patients in this country, and two of 
the patients from the sanitorium, Dr. Juan Carlos de la Concepcion 
and Raul Llanos, to give a series of talks and workshops in 
November, beginning with a three-day conference sponsored by CURAS 
(Community United in Response to SIDA [AIDS]), an organization which 
provides services to latinos with AIDS in the SF Bay Area.

If you are interested in this series of lectures or the conference, 
contact Catherine Murphy (you can send her email c/o globalexch@igc.org
indicating that the message is for her). Funding is also needed 
for this trip, so if you are interested in hearing what the Cubans 
themselves have to say about their program, and can help with the 
finances, please let Catherine know.

Karen Lee Wald
AIDS educator and writer
Havana, Cuba
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
Subject: Re: dyer on aids
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:42:36 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6065

In article <1992Sep4.015512.14537@cs.ucla.edu> kwald@tinored.cu (Karen Wald ) writes:
>Steve Dyer responded to a Radio Habana Cuba news story about AIDS in 
>Cuba, and a forthcoming conference here, rejecting each and every 
>statement as a lie or fabrication or cover-up. 
>Contrary to his assertion that "no one has any reason to 
>believe" the figures on AIDS in Cuba (or, presumably, anything else 
>the Cubans have to say), there ARE people who have reason to believe 
>it -- the HIV-positive Cubans and Cuban PWAs who live and work in 
>these sanitoriums, some of them as doctors, nurses, accountants, 
>book-keepers, statisticians, etc. They have no reason to "cover up" 
>a state policy that dyer believes is "imprisoning" them, and they 
>have first-hand knowledge not only of the numbers involved but the 
>benefits: excellent medical care, medicine, food, housing, income 
>maintenance, emotional support and longevity.

Too bad I missed the first post, but many people in the U.S. have strong
inclinations to doubt the veracity and accuracy of reports from Cuba
provided by Cuban officials.  Now, if we are talking about a professional
independent organization with no communist ties, then perhaps.

For the average citizen, I have difficulty believing that Cuba provides
"excellent medical care, medicine, food, housing, income maintenance,
emotional support and longevity."  This sounds a little bit to similar to
the promises of Lenin.  And besides, what of those AIDS patients who
politically dissent and are currently being held behind bars?

But, there is the possibility of accurate reporting from Cuba, I just don't
see the logic of a damaging report being released.

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From: mgflax@phoenix.princeton.edu (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Disability, AIDS, HIV Disease, etc.
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 5954
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:26:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.201238.18138@cs.ucla.edu> wb@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Bill Beblo) writes:
>In a recent sci.med.aids article it was mentioned that the Americans with
>Disibilities Act considered persons with HIV disease to be disabled.  Is
>this true?  I am under the impression that people who have tested HIV+
>(and may not have had any related illnesses) are considered to have HIV
>disease.  Is this true?  How does this relate to the list of requirements
>that the CDC has which qualifies a person for a diagnosis of AIDS?

Courtesy:

:Bill McGarry <moderator of misc.handicap>
:Handicap News BBS 1-203-337-1607
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SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
      (2) Disability.--The term "disability" means, with respect to an
    individual--
          (A) a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one
        or more of the major life activities of such individual;
          (B) a record of such an impairment; or
          (C) being regarded as having such an impairment.

SEC. 511. DEFINITIONS.
  (a) Homosexuality and Bisexuality.--For purposes of the definition of
"disability" in section 3(2), homosexuality and bisexuality are not
impairments and as such are not disabilities under this Act.
  (b) Certain Conditions.--Under this Act, the term "disability" shall not
include--
      (1) transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism,
    voyeurism, gender identity disorders not resulting from physical
    impairments, or other sexual behavior disorders;
      (2) compulsive gambling, kleptomania, or pyromania; or
      (3) psychoactive substance use disorders resulting from current
    illegal use of drugs.

<End Quote>
My own understanding is that HIV infection is not a "physical or mental impairment"
in and of itself, and therefore is not covered by the ADA.  But read the law or
consult a lawyer unless you're fool enough to trust me!

marshall

p.s. I threw in Section 511 because I couldn't resist.
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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 5968
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.182851.10200@cs.ucla.edu> "Paul M. Karagianis" <KARYPM%SJUVM.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU> writes:
>    The usual explanations for the difference in the apparent efficiancy
>of heterosexual transmission between the U.S./Europe, where the disease
>appears to be non-self-sustaining via heterosexual vector only, and
>Africa/Asia where it obviously is, boil down to a difference in social
>values.  "Those people" have more sex with more partners under less
>hygenic conditions; they are more likely to have secondary STD's, anal
>sex, bi-sexual experiences and use prostitutes. 

I have a theory on this topic, and would like to hear opinions on it.
At least the last time I heard such statistics, male to female transmission
is about 10-12 times more likely than female to male in the US.  This
alone is enough to severely limit its spread in the heterosexual 
population.  I recently read a a piece of research that indicates
the primary mode of infection in heterosexual (non IDU) males is
via the foreskin.  Apparently the virus "hitches a ride" on the segment
of the immune system that was evolved to protect against STD's.
This segment of the immune system is concentrated in the foreskin.
They theorize that something similar occurs in women, but that portion
of their immune system isn't as localized as it is in men.  Male
circumcision is extremely common in North America, and not very common
elswhere.  Could this possibly explain at least the difference in
female to male transmission in the US?  
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From: Billi Goldberg <bigoldberg@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Free Immuno Charts
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6035
Organization: unspecified
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:39:32 PDT

Cytokine Research Products in Boston has the most fantastic chart titled 
RCtyokine Signaling in the Immune SystemS that shows all the different 
cells of the immune system, their precursors, what they do, where they 
go, receptors, and the cytokines involved. It is about 24" x 30" and is 
free. Call 1-800-332-1042. It even shows a Langerhans Cell gobbling up a 
hapten (DNCB?) in the epidermis. Their previous chart had a question 
mark next to the picture of a LC (respectable at last!).

They also have another interesting chart titled "Cytokine Receptors in 
Action." There are probably other types of charts.

They appear to be very nice about sending out the charts.

Billi
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From: GLADSTONE%CSMCMVAX.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
Subject: Re: (5981)      stever dyer's fogginess
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 5999
Organization: unspecified
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:21 PDT

For HUMANS, as part of one the key elements of the Fed legislation
defining the powers of the FDA, is that " The FDA shall not interfere in
the practice of medicine. " So, once a drug is approved for anything,
it can be used for anything else a doctor sees fit to use it for.
There may be some specific exceptions, such as when a manufacturer says
" Use this ONLY for X ". This warning may not carry the force of law,
but public and private insurance won't pay, and lawsuits may result.
        Vets do not have an all powerfull lobby to stuff our lawmakers
pockets, so they probably operate under a more restrictive set of rules.
I would like it if someone who really knows could shed more light on
this question.
If I were Millie, I would not worry, just as long as she doesn't lap up
any of the president's Halcion...
From: crosenberg@igc.apc.org (Charlie Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
Subject: AIDS conference in Cuba
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:05:38 GMT
Organization: unspecified
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6020

The following item is taken from RADIO HAVANA CUBA's
International Shortwave Service in English for Thursday, August
20, 1992.  radiohc@tinored.cu

HAVANA INTERNATIONAL AIDS MEETING

Havana,August 20 (RHC)-- In the midst of a global AIDS epidemic
Cuba counts as one of the countries least affected by the crisis.
Though Cuba has a population of nearly ll million, extensive HIV
testing has revealed only 826 seropositive persons. That puts the
island's seroprevalance rate at a low 6 per l0 000 inhabitants.

In Octorber, Havana will host an International seminar on the HIV
infection and the island's AIDS policy. One of the event's
organizers epidemiologist, Dr. Rigoberto Torres, told RHC that
the agenda will focus on Cuba's policy of quarantine for HIV
positive patients, blood screening for the HIV-1 and for HIV-2-
which began a few weeks ago and specialized treatments. Dr.
Torres noted that the seminar would look closely at Cuba's
experience with INTERFERON--a protein obtained through genetic
engineering techniques that has proved effective in preventing
AIDS-related diseases.

Most of the island's AIDS and seropositive patients--more
than 600--live in ll HIV sanatorioums across the island. There
they receive specialized medical care, special diet and living
conditions--all free of charge. Dr. Rigoberto Torres notes that
over l50 scientists and physicians from all over the world have
already confirmed their participation in the upcoming conference.

Heading the list of delegates is Panamerican health official, Dr.
Fernando Sacarias who will touch on the AIDS crisis in the
Americas. US Dr. Kenneth Castro will deal with AIDS in the USA
and the resurgence of tuberculosis there..So far, Cuba has
conducted l2, 465, 130 AIDS tests. 137 cases of AIDS have been
reported; 76 patients have died including two children.

A new AIDS sanatorium will open its doors shortly in central
Cienfuegos province. The facility will have  an outpatient
clinic, a dental office, a Psychology Department, a library, and
entertainment rooms. Cuba's AIDS program also includes ten other
AIDS sanatoriums distributed in almost all of its 14 provinces.
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
Subject: Re: Questions on worldwide heterosexual AIDS demography
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:00:58 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6014

In article <1992Aug25.213925.6788@cs.ucla.edu> bhjelle%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.142604.21070@cs.ucla.edu> rpetsche@mrg.PHYS.CWRU.Edu (Rolfe G. Petschek) writes:
>>
>>I believe there are diseases which are longer known than HIV (notably Hepatitis 
>>B and C) which are typically transmitted by first-world type transmission
>>routes for HIV (anal sex and sharing of blood products).  I believe that
>>these diseases have are not a significant health risk in the heterosexual 
>>(non-needle stuck) population.  I think that they have been around long 
>>enough that we "know" this is not a simple result of not having become
>>prevalent in the heterosexual population.
>>
>>Question:  Is this perception correct?
>
>Hepatitis B is very prevalent in some heterosexual populations,
>such as those in China, India, and Africa. As with HIV, once it gains
>a solid hold in a population, it can spread to very high prevalence
>levels. Whereever it occurs, sexual transmission is easily
>demonstrated.
>
>Hepatitis C occurs as a low-level endemia (ca 1%) almost everywhere.
>Its transmission is poorly understood but heterosexual transmission
>is almost certainly a major factor in maintaining that level.
>
>>Question:  Are there also "Pattern II" countries for these diseases?
>
>Yes, everywhere they occur, they are spread through heterosexual
>activity. (Contrary to popular belief, community-acquired HCV
>infection dwarfs transfusion-acquired HCV infection).
>
>>Question:  If this perception is correct are there "Pattern I country"
>>epidemiological or pathogen presence or tissue infection or other
>>reasons to believe that HIV is different from these other longer known
>>pathogens and more likely to infect large numbers of heterosexuals?
>
>There is little reason to believe that HBV and HCV infection in
>the first world is primarily "pattern I" as opposed to
>"pattern II". This is especially true for HCV, for which there
>is nearly no enrichment among homosexuals.
>
>>As has been pointed out there are important resource allocation
>>questions related to this question.
>>--
>If you accept that we can let our guard down with respect to
>heterosexual transmission of HIV, you run, IMHO, a grave risk of
>falling into the same trap as Burma and Thailand.
>
>Brian

Brian and all,

Perhaps I missed this before, but has the difference between Hepatitis and
HIV been discussed in terms of transmissibility?  There is a serious
difference of course.  Hepatitus B for example spreads quite  easily.  It's
difficult for me to accept the analogy to HIV.  I could provide some stats
if I can find them in my notes.

Ted
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Questions on worldwide heterosexual AIDS demography
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 5967
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.182920.10308@cs.ucla.edu> jmt@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Jon M. Taylor) writes:
>    This fiend of mine is also of the opinion that the chance of
>contracting AIDS heterosexually (at least in the US) have been hyped way
>out of proportion.  The phrase "the myth of heterosexual AIDS",

I wonder how the author of that book will feel when he realizes how many
people it has sent to there deaths? 

>which he
>uses a lot, seems to be making the rounds here on SMI, so I thought I'd
>ask you people.  He also has a couple of other odd theories, like:

>    - The rate of heterosexual transmission is low enough that the disease
>will kill off its vectors faster than it can propagate itself in the
>heterosexual community,

I doubt this is the case, people have 5 to 10 years to spread it, and
heterosexuals don't get tested for HIV so they will be spreading it for
a full 5-10 years. 

>    - Most, if not all, of the HIV transmission is due to micro-cuts or
>abrasions on the genitals, not to and HIV presence in semen, and

I think this may be the case in anal sex, but according to the studies
I've seen quoted HIV can infect the mucus membranes. Apparently the
urethra (sp?) can also be infected and the vigourous in out motion
tends to push stuff up into it...

>    - The medical community is clueless about the real cause of AIDS and
>how it works.

Someone is clueless and its not the medical community.  My biggest complaint
about research at this point is the lack of research into the hazards of
oral and manual sex, I've seen a number of studies all of which conflict. 

>   Needless to say, this gets my freinf into lots of arguments ("But what
>about Magic Johnson?", etc.).  I think he's got some points, but I also
>realize that there could be some serious wishful thinking going on here. 
>So, I thought I would throw his theories out into the cold, uncaring world
>of USENET and see what kind of reaction I get.

This always seems to come down to, "AIDS is a homosexuals and bad people's
disease and good people don't have to worry about it.". Atleast on the good
side this time the homophobes and bigots will be paying with there own lives
rather than ours....

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