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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Monitors for A4000 - suggestions?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:10:21 GMT

In article <KENTD.92Oct7131900@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 13:37:14 GMT, lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso) said:
>Bernie> Nntp-Posting-Host: zruty
>
>
>Bernie> I grabbed a Computer Shopper yesterday and was surprised that
>Bernie> there didn't seem to be a lot of offerings in multi-syncs that
>Bernie> span the 15-31Khz range.  I only found a few ads for the Sony
>Bernie> 1302. I would guess it's probably not in production anymore.
>Bernie> Isn't the Seiko CM1440 comparable?  Anyone have any experience
>Bernie> with this monitor?
>
>Yes, I've had one hanging off the back of my 3000 for about a year and
>a half. They use Trinitron tubes with .25mm dot pitch. Never had any
>trouble with it, has exceptional resolution/clarity. Displays 50Hz PAL
>really well too (although I normally use it in NTSC mode).
>
>There is one thing you may not like about it though: The horizontal scan
>range does not go all the way down to 15Khz... To be honest I don't
>understand why this matters so much to people who have machines that can
>output noninterlaced signals. It's not like you are *ever* going to
>intentionally force your low res screens to be no longer deinterlaced.
>The whole time I've owned my 3000, I can't remember turning off the
>deinterlacer even once. Seriously.  The 1440 can display every single
>mode my 3000 can (well except the special A2024 or whatever it's called
>mode).
>
>Does the A4000 allow this (the forcing of all low resolution screens to
>be output @31K) like the A3000 does? If not, that's a serious
>misfeature, IMHO, because most modern multisync monitors do not go down
>to 15K.

   No, it does not.  The "promotion" feature of the A4000 is software-only.
The A4000 has no hardware force 15Khz screens to 31Khz.  If a program such as
an old utility or game insists on opening an interlaced 15Khz screen, the
screen WILL be opened at 15Khz interlaced, and there will be nothing you will
be able to do about it.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: aj2@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Eugenio Castellani)
Subject: Re: Re: A4000/Alice
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:22:05 GMT

In article <67688@cup.portal.com> DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin) writes:
>Dave,
>
>
>Can I get some specifics, maybe even part numbers, but at least a
>good, exact description of what kind of SIMMs you need? All I know is
>4MB, 32-bit SIMMs. They're 72-pins, right?
>
  I was told they are 32-36 bit simms called something like "gedeck"

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Denny Atkin                | dennya@cup.portal.com          | "No matter where
>Editor                     | Portal, GEnie, and BIX: dennya | you go, there you
>COMPUTE's Amiga Resource   | CIS: 75500,3602                | are." - B.Banzai
>---------------=====<<<<< YES! COMPUTE _DOES_ COVER THE AMIGA! >>>>>=====------

   Bye,
          Eugenio

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: steinerj@dhhalden.no (STEIN-ERIK REMME JOHANSEN)
Subject: Adding RAM to the GVP Series II (Amiga 500)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:25:49 GMT

I've got 4 1x9 MB SIMMs. May I use them in my GVP harddrive?
Or do I need 1x8 MB SIMMs instead?
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Genlocks and the A4000
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:12:46 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <raymondu.1ulm@terapin.com> raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri) writes:
> 
>    I'm going to call CATS tommorow for the full scoop, but let's see if I can
> get some answers here:
> 
>    Will existing Amiga genlocks (namely Digital Creations' SuperGen [external])
> work on the Amiga 4000, or will A4000 owners have to wait for new "next
> generation" encoders to hit the market?

Existing genlocks should work just fine, the Analog RBG outputs are
still analog, even though there are finer color distinctions.

>    Will the genlock encode all resolution modes to NTSC video?

A genlock should encode any mode that is running at the standard
NTSC sync rates, independent of the number of bit planes (colors)
and pixel frequency.

The A4000 display is considerably enhanced in that it can do up to
8 bitplanes, 1280*480 interlaced (with some overscan) while
maintaining NTSC scan rates.  Of course there are also many non-NTSC
(or non-PAL) display modes that aren't at standard scan rates and
thus aren't compatible with genlocks.

>    As an Amiga videographics person, this is a must-know.

-- 
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From: oahvenla@hulk.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Can you connect 2 Amigas via their SCSI ports?
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:44:40 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <s!jplwg@lynx.unm.edu> khuynh@triton.unm.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.184821.4778@ncar.ucar.edu> rsc@hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell) writes:
>>My Xetec controller manual implies that you can (it has a little diagram
>>showing such a connection).  However, the context is that you can connect machines to the same drives: ie, you've got two amigas, one with one drive,
>>the other with two; connect them all together and on each machine you've got 
>>three drives.  I don't know how well it work if you want to, say, make a
>>multiplayer game, send data to each machine over the SCSI "net".

>Why would someone want to do that ?  Wouldn't it be alot easier to use
>PARNET via the parallel port.  All you need to do is get a DB25-DB25
>cable and do some minor adjustment of the cable (I believe you need to
>link two of the pins together...Can't remember which two) and then connect
>them to the parallel port of the two AMIGAs.  There is a public domain
>parnet software that allow Harddrive access, and serial device, etc.
>to be utilized by both Amigas.   Excellent for debugging programs, games
>maybe ?

Why indeed. Why would I want to transfer data >500 KB/s, when I can do it
30-40 KB/s? Why would I want to connect several computers via my existing
hard drive controller, when I can connect two if I take out printers and/or
sound samplers from both? Funny, several reasons come to mind. Probably
they're not that important.
--
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My opinions are mine, and though someone else may share them, that's not my
fault. You may freely agree or disagree with me, I don't much care.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ib90vogt@htlulx.htl-bw.ch (vogt adrian)
Subject: [Q] Amiga files on the MAC Desktop?
Keywords: Amiga, Mac, Filetransfer
Organization: HTL Brugg-Windisch, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:38:11 GMT

Dear netters,

Does somebody know if and how it is possible to transfer Amiga files to the
Macintosh. (Prefered is a disk based solution).

Please send your answers directly to me, I will repost a summary.
Thanks,
Adrian

ib90vogt@htl-bw.ch
From: Wizard0@cup.portal.com (Asher Wizard Feldman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansion/Future
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:42:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1be5chINNs0l@crane.doc.ic.ac.uk>

>In article <35814@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Hayni
e
>) writes:
>
>>Expansion via sockets has always been discouraged and never supported by
>>Commodore.  Devices that go there tax the machine's power supply and are
>>often flakey.  The expansion edge might have been kept, but it can't be
>>kept forever, it's in the way of the memory card map and can't be supported
>>on non-68000 systems.
>>
>[...etc...]
>
>Did Commodore not supply the A590 20Mb hard disk for the A500, which went
>on the expansion port ? Surely they must have supported that !
>

I think he was refering to adding stuff inside the 500. Such as putting
an accelerator in the 68000 slot.

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From: mlelstv@spcklp.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansi
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:55:40 GMT

In <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_51716645@piraya.bad.se> Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:
>2) A socketed CPU (unless C= has taken this away recently) which some devices
>   do take advantage of, like disk-turbos etc.

Have a look at the C64s sold today. There's hardly _anything_ socketed but
the VIC (video controller) chip. Even with the very first revisions you
get the IO chips (CIA 6526) soldered in, it depends on pure luck what chip
is actually socketed.

BTW, most disk turbos just replaced the Kernel ROM.

Regards,
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Solid info on the Amiga 4000
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:24:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_5134449a@piraya.bad.se>
  <35757@cbmvax.commodore.com> <35767@cbmvax.commodore.com>

>As George has said above and we have said before, 99% of the software will
>be promoted to non-flickering modes if you select that option in preferences.


>/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
>|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer              |

Thank you Mr.Sinz for the information. It is much appreciated here.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4000 graphics
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:59:22 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> Methinks you've had too much wacky-weed.  DblPAL and DblNTSC both have
> overscan capabilities.  AGA will do everything that the Amber chip did
> and MORE.

It will not do 724*566 non-lace -- period. The best it can do, is 676*564, 
28520 pixels less, or 445 Topaz/8 characters less on-screen. If this is 
important for you or not, is up to you to judge, depending on what 
applications you use your Amiga for. The AGA chipset offers less non-lace 
resolution, but more colours, as compared to ECS/Amber (or any other 
flickerfixer, for that matter). Certainly not more non-lace resolution.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: dac@dacami.cmhnet.org (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Zorro II parts suppliers, hardware / software info wanted.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:15:18 EST
Organization: Culberson Plaza.  (One Marconi Place, Inc.)

  I am wanting to design a Zorro II add-in card for the Amiga.
Specifically, I want to make an internal sampler.  This is not for a
commercial product; it's mostly for it's educational value.  I was
wondering if anyone sold project boards for Zorro II slots and bus
extenders.  I also want to know some good sources for information on
utilizing Zorro II slots from the hardware and software (IE programming)
perspectives.  Thanks a lot!

            David

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From: Wizard0@cup.portal.com (Asher Wizard Feldman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: MB considered harmful
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:42:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <KENTD.92Oct12095515@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com>

>>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 22:06:13 GMT, eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) said:
>
>Eyvind> I see a lot of people are putting MB into their killfiles...  I
>Eyvind> have a *better* solution!  Yes!  Why don't the people who run
>Eyvind> c.s.a.a put him in THEIR killfile?  Or no, even better!  Why
>Eyvind> doesn't MB put himself into his own killfile for posting
>Eyvind> messages?  Gee, I wonder why noone thought of this before...:)
>
>I think "How Do I put Marc Barrett in my kill file?" should be in the
>FAQ. As well as a suggestion that everyone, especially new users, put
>MB in their kill file immediately.
>
>For those people who do not put MB in their kill file, they should be
>reminded to *always* edit the Followup-To: header to be
>comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
>With all the edu sites back in session, fighting the "war on -MB-" is
>more important than ever. I hope everyone supports the campaign to put
>MB in their kill files and make the csa hierarchy safe for humanity again.

I agree, MB must be eliminated.. But what happens if your system
(like mine) doesn't support a kill file? Argh! I'm stuck!! 

>
>--
>/**************************************************************************/
>/* Kent Dalton                   * EMail: Kent.Dalton@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM */
>/* NCR Microelectronics          * Phone: (303) 223-5100 X-319            */
>/* 2001 Danfield Ct. MS470A      *   FAX: (303) 226-9556                  */
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>Oh, I get it!!  ``The BEACH goes on,'' huh, SONNY??
>

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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Attaching a "brand x" SCSI tape drive ?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:36:27 GMT

I am in the process of purchasing a 525Meg Maynstream SCSI tape drive for
my Amiga. The guy I'm buying it off says it only has software for DOS.
Do I _need_ any drive specific software to use this thing, or is the fact
that is is SCSI enough to get me going. i.e. I have Quarterback ( and _as
a last resort_ BRU ! ). I know these products support SCSI tape drives - but
do I need any extra software ????

Help...


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From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: After the Amiga...
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:34:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:

>Should the next Amiga run AmigaDOS?  I think not, at least not in the
>state it's in.  Since there won't be any concern about existing
[...]
>stuff?  Well, if we're gonna run an R4000, then (here comes some
>serious flame bait) might I humbly suggest Windows NT as the operating
>system?  See, it's already running on the R4000.  It can run DOS and

	Geez, why not get an Indigo or a Magnum 4000 right now?
Follow-ups to advocacy -- this doesn't belong here.

--Andre

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             Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2)
From: adamm@otc.otca.oz.au (Adam Mulukin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: The magic of RTG
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:14:21 GMT
Organization: OTC
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7033E6BD7020274@alanb.research.otc.com.au>
X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:27:39 GMT

Currently,  AmigaOS graphics are restricted to using the custom chips
present in all Amiga models. RTG provided by future versions of AmigaOS
will allow all graphics/layers/intuition library functions to be used on
third party graphics display hardware, whether they lie in ZorroII/III or
video slots (12 or 24 bit). What I want to know is how is this going to
happen?
Will 3rd party graphics developers have to provide graphics software
drivers that implement a set of primitives that are specified by
Commodore for compliance to RTG spec?

If this is true, then these software drivers would have to offer only a
minimal set of functions, otherwise they would just end up rewriting
graphics.library, as GVP have already done with their EGS board, and as
every other graphics HW developer could have.

What work will 3rd party deveopers have to do to support RTG?
From: dac@dacami.cmhnet.org (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:07:12 EST
Organization: Culberson Plaza.  (One Marconi Place, Inc.)

In article <1992Oct12.032423.12844@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> BTW, no one has said anything about the new hires and superhires sprites.
> Can the mouse cursor be in one of these modes?  I hope so, as the lores
> sprite has driven me crazy for years and is very pitiful looking compared
> to the rest of the Workbench.

  Oh!  It can (and does) be the same resolution as the screen.  The pointer
I saw on the machine I used for a wonderful 3 hour period had a tiny pointer
on a 640x480 workbench.  Very smooth, absolutely no jaggies!

            David

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From: vidiot@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Rankin Eric)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:48:09 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

> In article <1992Oct7.124137.14637@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) 
> >The price drop in the A3000 has affected 2nd hand prices and I
> >am being offered one for 1200 pounds. I was thinking of getting
> >this rather than an accelerated A2000.
> >
> >The question is: is it foolish to get an A3000 in terms of
> >future upgrade/compatability?
>  
>    No.  The A3000 is far more advanced than the A4000 in terms of non-
> interlaced display resolution.  And the A3000 offers most of the expandabilit
> of the A4000.  The only thing that the A4000 has that the A3000 does not have
> is the 24-bit video slot.  
> 
>    I am actively advising people to ignore the A4000, purchase A3000s instead
> and upgrade them later with third-party video cards as soon as DIG is
> available.
> 
> >Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
> >Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
> 
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!

I can't beleve you.  You know very little about the Amiga 4000 it seems.  
the graphics are substantailly better, it now uses SIMMS and has more RAM 
capability, and it features a 68040!  The 4000 and the fact that its 
still largely down-compatible is amazing.  I heartily recommend it and 
cant want for people who know more abou this system than you (and me) to 
defend the Amiga 4000.  I'm no authority, but your last couple posts were 
just to much to ignore.

I can't wait until I have the funds to purchase an Amiga 4000 with its 
AGA graphics.

Eric

PS.  If I understand what my local C= dealer told me, there is a 
video enhancer built into the ALICE chip (I think that's her name).  Is 
this not correct?  (this question is not directed at you, Dan, I would 
rather take advice from Bill Gates).
From: lassa@cbmvax.commodore.com (Paul Lassa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 graphics
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:37:28 GMT
Reply-To: lassa@cbmvax.commodore.com (Paul Lassa)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct9.120923.24835@ifi.uio.no> nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen) writes:
>
>I have followed the "Avoid the Amiga 4000" debate and would like to have the
>following questions answered:
>
>Fact: All old screenmodes will be shown with scanlines/flicker because the
>the A4000 has no flickerfixer.
>
>1. Will old type flickerfixers work for these modes?

The Commodore A2320 Display Enhancer works the same on the A4000 for
the old display modes as the equivalent Amber circuitry in the A3000
does.  However, as has been mentioned before, some of the new AA display
modes require a higher bandwidth than the A2320 can handle.  In this
case the bypass switch on the Display Enhancer is used to pass through
the AA video without de-interlacing.
     
>2. Does the double pal mode support full overscan?

The double PAL mode supports overscan resolution up to 676 x 550 non-
interlaced, and 676 x 1100 interlaced.

>4. If I add a flickerfixer, is it possible to combine the two monitor
>   connectors so I don't have to change cables all the time? I WANT flickerfree
>   old resolutions AND the new ones without a lot of switching and plugging.

With the A2320's bypass switch set, all new AA display resolutions will route
through the A2320 on a single cable to your monitor.
Realize however, that the A2320 only resolves to the 12 bit color of the older
Amigas, while the AA chipset now produces 24 bit color.
 
>------------------------------------------------------------
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