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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:20:54 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>

Dear CHRISTIAns,
In my Sunday School book is a list of ways that Christians can properly
relate to followers of false doctrines.
1. Know your beliefs and be strong in them.
2. Understand the person's religion's beliefs and learn how much he
   understands about them.
3. Approach false teaching with Scripture.
4. Love him and pray for him.
5. Don't condemn him; he is a victim of false teaching, not a criminal.
6. Don't argue.
7. Develop a relationship of friendship.
8. Give your testimony of salvation in Jesus.
9. Be Patient
I just love this list....
Yvette

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From:         LIZ MOREAU <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Family Values and Arbitration

Darren:

You brought up some very good points on why this bill would be
important.  I can understand your example of a 14-year old wanting
to carry her baby to term against her parents wishes and the other
examples you noted.

BUT I am against a bill such as this because of my Christianity.  As
Christians we are told to 'train up our children in the way they
should go.'  It is a Biblical mandate and we will all have to stand
before God and answer about how well we obeyed this command.

Take the other side of the coin.  The parents are Christians and the
14 year old daughter wants to get an abortion and the parents don't.
I honestly don't feel it is up to the state in this instance, I feel
it is up to the parents to make the decision for the benefit of both
children.

I'm leery of giving the government control over any portion of my
child's life.  In my opinion they have too much control right now.
Such as public schools teaching concepts Christians aren't in favor of
their children learning - condoms, New Age teachings, sex education,
etc.  No flames here please, these are just my own opinions and don't
deal with the fact that everyone is not Christian.

I feel that it is one step further to break up the family and turn
children against their parents.  I can just hear the threat now - if
you don't let me stay out to 2:00 a.m. I'll bring you up on some
excuse in court and embarass you...

Or how about if the court gave a decision in the child's favor and
ended up removing the child from the home because the parents wouldn't
or couldn't abide by the decision.

There are agencies now that do help children in all kinds of
circumstances and will intervene with the family to protect the
children.

                                        Liz
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:52:51 EDT
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Subject:      President Bush
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Subject: President Bush

700 Club will be showing a 2 day interview between Pat Robertson and
George Bush over Monday and Tuesday for those that might be interesting.
Along with the "normal" subjects, questions will be asked about George
Bush's faith, beliefs, etc.

In His Love,

  Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:37:00 CST
From:         "dr. Daniel Edward Taylor" <AUTENRKL@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Warnke and the "Contemporary Christian" scene
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>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:05:06 -0700
>               Dear Christia,
>
>               Someone recently sent to christia the addrerss of an FTP
>         site that contained the articles from cornerstone on Mike
>         Warnke.  I sent this information to my brother, and he got them
>         and sent them to me.

    could someone send the FTP sight to me,
    must of miss it.

    thanks,

dr. Daniel Edward Taylor
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so long and thanks for all the fish.  -- douglas adams
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: welcome back
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:40:15 GMT
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Ian, nice to have you back.  Zane.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:24:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      The vote and being offended by posts or flames.
X-To:         christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

I think it sad we need to vote like this, but what must be...  What really
bothered me was the comment in the post from the list owners that they
received mail from peoplle who are offended by flames or posts they take
exception to.  Folks, this is an adult forum.  We are, I think, all adults.
 There is no reason to run to the list owner if we are offended by a post.

Why on earth should anything anyone says on Christia offend you?  If you
are a Christian, you derive your value from being a son or daughter of the
Sovereign of the universe, Almightty God.  Think on that and how could you
be offended by something as trivial as an electronic mail post?

I recognize that the issues are certainly not trivial, but any given post
is so.  [Including this one.}  We need not ever take offense at things
written.  If you don't like a post, or topic, ignore it.  You don't ever
need to feel that you have to defend yourself, your beliefs, or your honor.



We don't have to answer to anyone on this net, only to God.  I think we can
get along with each other without having to complain about postings or go
to the owners and cry foul.  Let's approach this as adults who know their
worth and who can deal with dissention in a mature manner.

Dan Graham
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: One Question, Kerry
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:37:00 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92072306160978@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Angela Zimmerman) writes...
> 
>> This leads the audience to believe that God would be supportive of the
>> entire statement, when in fact the opposite is true.
> 
>How do you know it as *fact*?

	From the incident of the tower of Babel, from God's statement
after the Israelites signed an agreement without consulting God, from 
God's statement when the Israelites wanted a king.

 en agape,
 Bob 
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:23:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      "others"

WOW !!  AWESOME!.

What a beautiful approach. Thank you for wising me to this. God bless you.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:03:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Taking offense and eye specks

Greetings/Love,

The speck in my eyes happens to be invisible to me, though preventing me from
seeing you either as you are or as the Lord Jesus sees you. I see through my
specks darkly. But then I wash my face, and new specks bud and blossom forth
seemingly of their own.

Thus, I will never trust what I perceive about you enough to conclude that you
are wrong where I am right. I choose rather to love you as I perceive you.
1 Co. 4:5.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:52:41 EDT
From:         WJPOWELL@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      DARE we KISS the ENEMY??

Could someone please send me information on what is WICCA
I've never heard of it.
William.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:57:16 -0500
From:         MARCI HENDRIX <HENDRIX@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amy Grant

Maybe we should compile all of our posts on Amy and send them to her for
a chuckle.  I don't have too much of an opinion on her music one way or
the other (fence sitter I think).  However, I did want to mention that I
happened to catch an interview she did on TV in which she said that her
desire (verbatim) was to fill a segment of the music industry to meet the
needs of teens.  She said something to the effect that there wasn't enough
fun music for them to listen to and she wanted to give them something that
didn't advocate drugs, drinking, premarital sex, etc.

I think it was the Academy Awards (hmmm, not sure) where she sung Baby, Baby
and then her toddler came out for a hug at the end of the song.  It was
touching.  Marci
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:54:31 EDT
From:         Julie Nott <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Divorce and Remarriage
              30 Jul 1992 15:07:18 GMT from <mueller@OWLNET.RICE.EDU>

Amen -- Earnest!

I too do not agree with the statement that "it would be better to divorce
if it is making you sin" (maybe those weren't the exact words - but the
intent is the same -- I think -- Correct me if I have misunderstood)

As my pastor puts it -- when you marry, you are stuck.  For better or for
worse, for richer or for poorer bla bla bla -- God never said that we would
always be happy in our marriage.  Sure, there are times that we could all
just give up and quit and excuse it by saying "Well, God has already
forgiven me for my wrongs, why not?"

If we were Christians (some may just claim to be) and actively seeking His
will for our lives, then why would a *bad* marriage make us sin??

I may be way off base, here!  Correct me if I am wrong -- in a nice way,
please, I'm very sensitive :)

We should pray for our marriages, our spouses, our children, and not just
give up.

Quitters never win - and Winners never Quit! (Who knows who said that?)

IMHO,
Jules
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:03:44 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Changing Opinions (Edify)
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              at Jul 28, 92 4:44 pm

I am going to ask a real stupid question here..

For an outsider,
if the republican party is so anti-divorce, and they are in government, then
why pray tell is divorce still legal in the US??

In our country (for better or worse, I dont know) if a government is in power
by a majority, then they pretty well have free will to change anything
they like as long as it doesnt involve a change in the constituion..

Maybe they are not as pro-life as they make out to be??


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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:20:44 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The State of the Church Address??? (U.S. Politics)

Recently I posted some comments on Darren's questions about staying
in a church that has policies of which one disapproves.  I forgot to
mention something he had said earlier relating to the subject.  He
said that when President Bush, an Episcopalian, was asked about the
idea of ordaining lesbians in the Episcopal Church he said only that
he wasn't ready for the idea.  Darren indicated that he did not find
that response satisfactory.  I would like to point out that there is
nothing in the Constitution that requires to express, or even to
have, opinions on theological and ecclesiological issues.  He is free
to have such opinions, and to express them, if he chooses--although
some "separation of church and state"extremists might object--but he
is not required to do so.

I am reasonably confident that President Bush was not asked that
question as part of a random survey of Episcopalians.  He was asked
because he is President.  The most charitable explanation of the
question is that the reporter was simply pandering to the excessive
interest in gossip and "juicy bits" about celebrities that so many
modern Americans have.  There is also the possibility that the re-
porter was trying to stir up trouble by getting the President to say
something that would controversial and would alienate some voters.
It is common practice for politicians to evade loaded questions like
that by giving vague, no-committal answers.

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:48:21 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Praising in the Psalms

Kerry Stephenson writes:

 > I was reading Psalm 148... commands to every possible being and
 > thing to praise the Lord.

You might be interested in the chapter on "Praising" in the book,
REFLECTIONS ON THE PSALMS, by C S Lewis. He discusses some of the
same things you mention.

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:21:29 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Changing Opinions (Edify)
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              Tennant" at Jul 28, 92 10:59 pm

>
>Ian,
>
>Our president is not a king.  He is a leader not a dictator.  He can tell the
>people what he believes but he cannot force them to live by his standards.
>I think that he should be praised for standing up against abortion in a time
>when the morals of people are decaying.  He stands to lose alot by speaking
>up the way he has in a time when people are growing more self centered and less
>family oriented.  I don't think President Bush is perfect but I do admire the
>man for his courage and his defense of Dan Quayle and his Christian values.
>
>I do not intend to debate this with anyone so please just ignore me.
>
>                                     Your friend in Christ, Bernice
>

Bernice, our Prime Minister (similar to britain) is not a king either,
and really has a lot less power in theory than your President..

My question was, if it is the party STANCE for anti abortion, ie the
majority of the Party was in favour of anti-abortion legislation,
then how come it was enacted as law... I think Kerry went some way in
explaining it with the congress set up..

We have the same sort of thing in Australia, a house of representitives, and
a Senate... Each house may have a majority of a different party, or a minor
party might hold  the balance of power in a certain house (which is the
case in Australia).. In that case, then the ideals of one particular party
are a lot harder to get enacted as law..


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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:00:00 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      daily Bible reading

Tim King writes:

 > I would definitely advise enyone and everyone to find a little
 > time each day to read the Bible.... Now, just someone tell me
 > how * I * can stick with this prescription.

One bit of advice that I and some others have found effective is
this:

Every day, sit down and open your Bible and read at least two
verses, normally starting where you left off the day before. Do so
sitting down, in a place where you would find it natural to continue
reading. If you can, continue reading up to what you consider a
normal daily dose (one chapter, one page...?). If so disposed, read
further. If you are tired or pressed for time, read only the two
verses and stop. But continue the practice every day. Then, when you
are not pressed, you will find it natural to go back to reading
more.  If instead, you commit yourself to a chapter a day, then some
days you will say with some honesty that you have not the time, and
after skipping a few days in this fashion you will forget to ask
yourself whether you do have the time today, and your Bible will
start to gather dust.

Obviously, this will not work if you do your two verses at a time of
day when you know that you will never have time, as immediately
before you must leave for class or your job. Nor will it work if you
read your two verses standing next to the bookshelf ready to put the
book back. But if you give it a fair chance, I think you will find
it helpful.

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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From: tom@portland.mdc.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
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Subject: Re: Drinking & christian living
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:17:39 GMT
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In article <nyarko.711389046@ee.ualberta.ca> nyarko@ee.ualberta.ca (David Nyarko) writes:
>>If you find you are better able to dedicate your life to Christ by abstaining
>>from drink, by all means do it!  But wine or lack thereof does not 
>>necessarily a dedicated Christian make. (IMHO)
>
>Lets note that in Leviticus 10:8-10, the use of wine was forbidden
>to the priests during all the time they were in the Tarbernacle and in 
>the service of the altar. Nazitites were also forbidden to drink wine
>(Num 6:3). Under the new covenant, believers are priests (Rev. 1:6 ,
>1 Peter 2:1-5) and Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Hebs 3:1, and other
>chapters in Hebrews).

But we are not Levitical priests, and, technically speaking, neither was
Jesus.  We are a nation of priests just as Israel was a nation of priests
(cf. Ex. 19:6).  The  people of Israel were allowed to enjoy the fruit of
the vine.  Jesus was a priest after the order of Melchizedek, who served
bread and wine to the patriarch Abraham (Gen. 14:18).  

-- 
Tom Albrecht
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From:         Rick Bruns <RBRUNS@SYSTEM.ARKNET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Peretti's Stuff
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Earnest,

I thoroughly enjoyed all three Peretti's books you mentioned.  I
think you get too deep in the analysis of style to enjoy the books.
Please don't take this as a flame, but just an opinion.  Too me it's
like going to a movie just to watch for bloopers and never even
realizing what the movie was about.

Rick

Rick Bruns
University of Arkansas System Administration
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:01:19 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bible study deadline

I'm interested in the Bible Study.


>
> The deadline for letting me know that you are interested in joining the
> Bible Study group is August 1 (Saturday.)  Thanks for your interest.
>
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.
>
>                                              Love INC,
>                                                       ---Kerry
>
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:01:39 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Footprints

Claus:

"INC" stands for "In the Name of Christ."

                                Love INC,
                                         --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:17:41 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Spiritual leadership in the home
              28 Jul 1992 09:48:57 EDT from <talaga@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM>

Dave:

Um, first, I'm Kerry, not Nancy.  Hope you aren't disappointed.  I
subscribed by typing "tell listserv sub christia," and my operator
walked me through the rest.  I'd advise you to send a message to
Madge McBurney (either direct or through the list.)  She can help.

Welcome aboard!

               Love INC,
                        --Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:28:49 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Problem of Evil
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              at Jul 28, 92 5:43 am

Jesse,

To me there are three kinds of music.

Music sung/performed/written etc under the annointing of the Holy Spirit.

Spiritually Neutral Music (mainstream majority I would hazard a guess)..

Music sung/performed/written etc under the annointing of satan.


My own personal opinion is that Amy Grant tends to wander in and out of
the first two..
If I perceive something in the third domain, then I will not listen to it,
and my own personal preference is to spend more time listening to the first
category, however I would not be so bold as to say that it is 'sinful' to
listen or perform the second..


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