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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sri-Lankan Tamil Terrorists blow up Gandhi statue in Villupuram
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:47:19 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <C1J5EF.41K@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:

>In article <1993Jan27.143005.13799@engage.pko.dec.com> rajamani_t@vmsnet.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan) writes:
>>(UPI News) 
>>And also offices of congress party. 
>>
>>
>>Assholes!
>>
>>RT


>bomb blast in TN => LTTE did it.

>What a credulous crowd!

>Meenan Vishnu

   RT 
      has not written a single useful article for the net. But he cries
     foul everytime as if he embodies India. Atleast he should learn some
     iota of decency in using the language.

     Well He has the freedom. 


   Kathiravan
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Protest March in Toronto
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:39:50 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor

In article <C1Gr9z.70A@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>
>No people should authentic news reported by international news agencies 
>like Reuters etc.
>
>Meenan Vishnu

Pardon me...??!!??

:-)
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Fourth Tamil articles in ACT
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:06:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   I have admitted many times in the net that ACT, though
short-lived, was a much better newsgroup than SCT. In ACT,
Sankarapandi first proposed a discussion on Naangaam Tamil
and I have saved some articles in that discussion and I
will repost them to start another discussion in SCT on the
same topic. 

   What is 'naangaam thamizh' ? By this, Sankarapandi means
the scientific Tamil - the mother-tongue education in schools
and professional colleges in Tamil Nadu and he proposed a
discussion on the pros and cons on this topic. His articles
received a good response in ACT and the Tamil writers who
took part in the discussion include M.P. Premkumar, Meenan
Vishnu, Asokan, K.Srinivasan, Ravi Sinnarajah and Sankarapandi
as well. It was a healthy discussion in ACT and it got stopped
when Sankarapandi left for India and when he came back, SCT
was started and there were mostly greetings and poems in the
first month it was created. Then SCT had many discussions that
the nettors may remember and the long run discussion in SCT
is the 'ancient Indian history' thread and there was a duel
between Kuram Narayana and C.R. Selvakumar in this thread.

  The next few articles are a REPOST of some earlier articles
in ACT on the fourth Tamil. I hope the writers Sankarapandi,
Sundaramoorthy, Premkumar and Meenan Vishnu remember their
articles. Sankarapandi refers to himself as SP in his article.
Don't mistake this SP as me. There was unfortunately some 
misunderstanding between me and Sankarapandi in this thread
and though it was not my intention, he took one of my satirical  
comments seriously, but it was resolved after I sent him an
apology in an e-mail. 

  I welcome a discussion on this topic in SCT.

- SP.
From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A. Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Andhadhi and Padikattu Varigal
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:57:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

With the advent of padikattu varigal on the net, I was reminded of the
original Andhadhi compositions. Of course, the ones I remember are
more like, the last word of each stanza being the first word of the
next stanza and not each line being that way.

Was this the rule for andhadhis or was it allowed for lines as well?

There was one famous andhadhi, that I studied in my first year in
college. It was on one form of Sakthi/Parvathi. Anybody on the net
remembers this one?

Of course, there may be more than one on Sakthi and her forms; but,
I always had a feeling that the one I studied was the most famous.

Also, in the nalayira divya prabandhams of the azhwars, Nammazhwar
has about a 1000 and odd stanzas and the entire lot is one big
andhadhi. Interestingly, the last word of the last stanza is the
first word of the first stanza as well, in these compositions.
Which, BTW, is not a necessary requirement of andhadhis.


I remember the first two stanzas of Nammazhwar. The first one is
easy to follow. The second one seems tough. Any valignars want to
take a shot at this one?



         uyarvaRa uyarnalam udaiyavan evanavan
         mayarvaRa madhinalam aruLinan evanavan
         ayarvaRum amarargal adhipathi evanavan
         thuyaraRu sudaradi thozhuthezhan mananE


         manana kamalamaRa malarmisai ezhutharum
         mananuNar vaLavilan poRiyuNar vavaiyilan
         inanuNar muzhunalam ethirnigazh kazhivinum
         an nalanudai oruvanai naNuginam namE


Cheers
Venky


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                                           - Pink Floyd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: Re: No Subject
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:39:34 GMT

In article <AfN4mJS00iV2877VdW@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>
>I sent that message to someone using an anymous id & pretending to be a TELO
>guy. Where the hell did you get the messsage, Bapcha the Bastard?
>

I don't care a dime's worth for TELO or LTTE oe any of the idiots over there
(in Sri Lanka).  Why don't you keep your BS to s.c.sri-lanka ??  Get the
heck out of this group with your extremist/Eelam pandering attitude.... or
better still shove your Eelam and all related causes up your favourite
orifice in your body.... and for your own sake - since you cannot ever hope
to win an argument with me,  keep your trap shut !

Later !

Suresh Basher.
From: an7180@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Peace
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:42:24 GMT

 To those who preach terrorism
 I am one of those peace-loving tamil netters. I am able to see that
there are a lot of unhealthy postings which come from LTTE guys.  

People who identify themselves with Tamils should also think about the
implication of such irresponsible postings. Hey guys didn't you ever think
that by posting such ** ( I am being very decent here), the image of
yourself, your brethren in TAMIL NADU and elsewhere is being tarnished.
You guys need to know that bashing others takes you nowhere. As the popular 
saying goes " An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". 

peacefully yours
xyz

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Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:14:27 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sri-Lankan Tamil Terrorists blow up Gandhi statue in Villupuram
	<C1J5EF.41K@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

>bomb blast in TN => LTTE did it.
 
>What a credulous crowd!

It is the failure by some to come to grip with the facts as they were and are 
even now. And I'm talking about India's role in the creation, nurture
and foster of various Tamil militant groups in Tamin Nadu and other
states. They served the Indian interests(and against Tamils'),
particularly by involving themselves in anti-LTTE propoganda in Tamil
Nadu. Remember the 'bomb' in the airport(en route to Colombo)? Many
believe even today that it was the work of LTTE! One can see the depth
of this 'special' relationship between India's Defense ministry(RAW) all
the way to the last day of IPKF's stay in Eelam. Even now, India is
doing its best to discredit the organization and its leaders by way of
spreading misinformation through its news outlets. It is certainly
afraid of Tamil nationalism taking roots in Tamil Nadu. Carry-over from
Indira Gandhi's policies, Delhi should have realized the fuitility in
such high handed and arrogant approaches by now.  Its method in TN is
such, that mechanisms for evantual failure are part of it! Tamils cannot
be turned against Tamils for that long. I'm surprised that such a
stradegy of divide-and-rule, practiced well by the British, is followed
even today by the central government. As before, you can count on
takers(our example: Tamil 'leaders' in Colombo) for collusion with the
'leaders' in Delhi who wouldn't mind the spoils. So to speak, Master for
TN Tamils has changed only in color and nationality, not in his
intentions.

In Orrissa, few hundreds of ENDLF and their leader(Varatharaja Perumal)
are basking in the sun. Early last year, they were given some special
training. This Perumal was the same guy who was installed by IPKF as
Northeast Province's(SR) chief minister. When the IPKF packed up and
left, Perumal and his followers went too. 

Suresh

Suresh
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:03:55 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <thundayal+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: No Subject

>KITTU is dead!
 
 
>There has been some arguments about whether Kittu is a leader or a terrorist?
 
>IFrst of all we should check whether Kittu is an Animal or a human being?

Rest of the rantings are deleted......


It seems like whoever wrote this is an Eelam Tamil opposed to LTTE. Probably 
either a current or an ex-member of a militant group that turned its
back on the
people. First as tools to Indian foreign police and later to fighting
alongside the SL armed forces. Now, these bastards take part in
espionage activities in         areas under the Tigers. This includes
intelligence gathering for the Sinhalase armed forces. Some are
integrated with the army in risky operations while others stay in small
camps(military) in SL military controlled areas. 

Their leaders are in Colombo, serving the government as psuedo-mouth
peaces for Tamils! One of them, Perumal, is in Orissa with a batch of
militants. Sometime ago, they were given additional training by India.
In the East and Colombo itself, they are the 'hooded informants' for the
army and  police. With immmunity and a vengeance, they have extorted
countless Tamils in Colombo(help arrest someoene on false charges, and
later released after a substantial 'payment' is made. From the police to
these 'Tamil militants,' everyone gets a share. Along these lines, one
of my uncles, 58 yrs old, was arrested in Colobo! OVer 5000 were
arrested in Colombo last year, most in round-ups.) 

I couldn't resist this one. Quite a funy story.
>(b)  Kittu was attacked with a hand grenaade while returning  after sleeping
	with one of his girls, in Jaffna. In this attack he lost his leg.

Where did you get this one? Or did you cook it up? 


A small peace of an advise to you: your your comrades' lot will be
treated as they ought to be treated for their high treason.Give up the
meaningless aliance with the Sinhalase and come home. Otherwise, treason
is treason.... Many have already regretted it.



       

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Fourth Tamil articles in ACT - Meenan Vishnu
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:05:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Teaching/Learning Tamil
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1992 16:51:09 GMT


Before any attempt at teaching Tamil to our children, I think we 
should sufficiently motivate them.  The first step in any 
endeaver is motivation.  [Interestingly this idea is stressed in 
Samkhya Philosophy of Sage Kapila, which classifies motivation
(bhava) into 8 classes].

How can this be done ?  What are the advantages and disadvantages of
learning Tamil.  Well, the advantages are many.  Usually, a person
with the knowledge of many languages of different family is of
higher intellectual calibre than someone with the knowledge of 
just one language.  Learning a lanuguage like Tamil lets one have 
first hand access to the literary works of an entire civilization that is
characteristically very modern in its outlook.  As someone pointed out
earlier, language is the most important component in the identity of 
an individual [The example of African American was cited].   I am sure
that many more points, that can motivate the learning of Tamil, be said.

I know parents (Tamil immigrants), who successfully de-motivate their
children by saying that it is a futile effort to learn a language that is
not going to help in anyway (they mean financially!). It is usually these
kids who are also weak in their general studies. 

The second  point is that it is not enough to learn to speak Tamil but also
to read and write it as well.  This is usually a difficult step and parents 
should put in a lot of effort in this matter.  It is true that we do not
have learning materials that is geared towards the immigrant children.
Perhaps we (the netters) can coordinate our effort in bringing out a 
correspondence course lessons (including audio/video tapes, workbooks
and textbooks) to teach Tamil effectively to our future generation.

Anbudan,

Meenan Vishnu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: anandraj@tis.enet.dec.com (Geetha Anandraj)
Subject: Recipe for Lemon Rice
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Northboro, MA, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:15:23 GMT


Hello everyone,

Here is the recipe for Lemon Rice (Elumichi sadham) and quick & easy to make.
Hope you all like it.

Regards,

Geetha
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


LEMON RICE 
----------

        Rice (White)    	    -    2 cups (cooked)
        Mustard (kadugu)            -    1 teaspoon
        Urad Dal (uzhutham parupu)  -    1 teaspoon 
        Channa Dal (kadalai parupu) -    1 - 2 table spoon 
                                         (soaked atleast for an hour)
        Dried Red pepper 
	(kaaindha milagaai) 	    -    3 to 6 (broken into 1" pieces)
        Asafoetida (perungaayam)    -     teaspoon
        Turmeric (manjal)	    	  -     teaspoon
        Fresh grated coconut (thengai)    -     cup (optional)
        Water                    	  -     cup
        Vegetable Oil (ennai)	 	  -     cup
        Salt                     	  -    3/4 teaspoon
        Juice from 1 fresh lemon or  cup lemon juice concentrate.


    Optional
    --------    

        Medium Onion            - Chopped 
        Green peas              - 3/4 cup


   1. Kepp the rice ready (must be pre-cooked and cooled).

   2. Heat the oil (can be replaced by butter or Crisco) in a pan.  

   3. Add mustard, urad dal, red pepper (red pepper can be replaced by
      same amount of green chillies), asafoetida, turmeric (mix these 
      ahead of time so you can drop all at the same time into the oil).  
      Fry for about 1 minute in medium heat.  

   4. Drain the water from channa dal and add it to the oil.  Fry until 
      channa dal is reddish brown in medium-high heat.  
      Reduce the heat to low.

   5. Add lemon juice, water and salt.  Bring it to boil in medium-high heat.

   6. Add the lemon juice mixture in to the rice little at a time (depending
      on the lemon, sometime it can be too tart, so don't add all the sauce
      at one time).  

   7. Add the grated coconut. Mix well.

   8. Leave it on the stove on low-heat until the rice is
      warmed (if the rice is very cold).


   OPTIONAL
   -------

     If onion is used, it should be added (after adding the channa dal-step 4)
     to the oil and fried until the onion is transparent. 

     Add the peas with the rice and follow step 7 & 8.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Relevance and Irrelevance of Various Indian Philosophies (SCI article)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:59:59 GMT



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Article: 98024 of soc.culture.indian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re:Ragam identification of tamil film songs
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:10:06 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: Ragam identification of tamil film songs.
>Message-ID: <1993Jan22.200534.11344@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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>Keywords: ragam, tamil flm songs
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>Hi,
>	Some time ago one of the netters posted a list of tamil film songs
>with the ragams. I have a few questions on the ragams of the following
It iss

>1. thangaratham vanthathu veethiyilE ----by Balamurali---ragam aabOki?
>2. thenRal vanthi ennaith thodum -- film thenRalE ennaith thodu -- ragam
>								hamsanaatham?

Yes, ThenRal vanthu ennaith......is indeed Hamsanaatham(but with a
lot of foreign notes.
Also, "Sorgame endraalum adhu namma oora pola varuma...."
	film "ooru vittu ooru vandhu"
is also Hamsanaadham(correct me if I am wrong)

There is another song in "Thendrale ennaith thodu"
"Kanmani nee varak kaathirundhen, jannalil paarthirundhen..."
	which is based on MalayamArutham(Correct me if I am wrong)


>D.V

Murali Seetharaman,
Utah State Uty,
Logan
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian)
Subject: vaLLuvan kaatiya vazhi - 11
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Keywords: thirukkural, tamil
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:59:22 GMT

________________________________________________________________

   Thirukkural           "vaansiRappu"           Chapter 2      
                    (The Excellence of Rain)

[1]		"vaanninRu ulagam vazhangi varudhalaal dhaan
		amizhdham endRuNaraR paaRRu"

       "Because, by the continuation of rain, the world is preserved
             in existence, it is worthy to be called ambrosia"

___________________________________________________________________
  Corrections/ Discussions/ Different Interpretations are welcome.
                 Posted by Satish Subramanian
                    (subraman@cs.umn.edu)
	         Thanks to Siva Bala Narayanan
___________________________________________________________________
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Some more rAgam identifications
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:12:32 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hai,
	Are the foll.songs based on Sivaranjani.

	Kaathirundhu kaathirundhu kaalangal pogudhadi - Vaidhehi 
			kaathirundhaal.
	Maamaraththu pooveduthu manjam ondru podava - oomai vizhigal


	Also, in which film does this song based on KaraharaPriyA(definite)
	 occur(ThAnA vandha sandhaname, unna th thazhuva thenam sammathame)
	sung by SPB and S.Janaki.

Thanks,
Murali Seetharaman,
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: pun in tamil movie songs
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:05:13 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

[1] From the song "endha oor enRRavane?"

    udalooril vaazhnthirunthEn,uRavooril mithanthirunthEn,
    karuvooril kudipukunthEn,maNNooril vizhunthuvittEn,
    kaNNooril thavazhnthirunthEn,kaiyooril vaLarnthirunthEn,
    kaalooril nadanthuvanthEn, kaaLaiyoor vandhuvittEn
    vEloorai paarththuvittEn, vizhiyooril kalanthuvittEn,
    paalooRum paruvam ennum pattinaththil kudi pukunthEn

    kaadhaloor kaattiyavaL kaattoril vittuvittaaL,
    kaNNiyoor maRanthavudan kadalooril vizhunthuvittEn,
    paLLaththoor thannil ennai parithavikka vittuvittu
    mEttooril antha mangai melERi ninRukoNdaaL
    keezhooril vaazhvathRkum kiLi mozhiyaai illaiyadaa <--
    [I don't get this line. Can anybody explain? ]
    mEloor pOvathRkum vELai varavillaiyadaa.

[2] kaai kaai aththikkaai, kaayathE... [ I don't remember further lines]

[3] paarthEn,siriththEn,
    pakkam varath thudithEn

[4] paattu paadavaa
    paarththu pEsavaa
    paadam sollavaa
    paranthu sellavaa

Cheers,
Venkat

NB: Part of this posting was posted in ACT long back.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A ThEvaaram verse (translation)
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:13:20 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <9301230015.AA19063@cec2.wustl.edu> sp2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>In a previous article mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>
>> In a previous article sp2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>
>>>  `maasil veeNaiyum maalai madhiyamum
>>>   veesu  thenRalum veenkiLa vEnilum
>>>   moosu  vaNdaRai poykaiyum pOnRadhE
>>>   eesan  endhai  iNaiydai neezhalE. '
>>>
>>>     The poet ( Appar ? ) talks here about how pleasant
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> is the shelter of the feet of Lord Shiva in Saiva
>>> Siddhantha. I have some questions about the meanings of
>>> some of the Tamil words in this `veNpaa'.
>
>   I am not sure this is from Appar ThEvaaram. When I read
> this verse again today, it looks as it was written by
> Maanikka Vaasakar.              

I am quite sure that I learned in school (Hinduism is a compulsory
subject in Sri Lanka for Hindu Tamils) that this song was sung my
thiru-naavukku-arasu alias appar.

As I indicated with a question mark, I do not know the meaning of 
moosu.  In colloquial Tamil (used in Jaffna) this word means heavy and noisy
breathing (especillay after a hard work or of an asthma patient).

Your interpretion of vaNdaRai as vaNdu + thuRai does not convince me.
Here are some wild guesses:
 
moosu == lotus, (or any other water flower)
vaNdu == beetles, bees 
aRai == attract, surround
poykai == pond

So the line 'moosu vaNdaRai poykaiyum pOnRathE' could mean
Like a pond where (beautiful) lotus flowers attracts (or are surrounded by)
bees.

I think MaaNikka-vaacakar is of later times.  He is the person who sung
Siva-puraaNam.  He was a minister to Pandiyan and spent all the money
the King had given him for purchasing horses.  Shiva performed
a thiruvizaiyaadal (holy play :-) by converting all the foxes (nari)
to horses (pari).  This incident happened on aavaNi moolam and is still
celebrated in India.

Prof.  Selvakumar is of the opinion that this (rather childish) story
might have a deeper meaning.  He said the upward movement of Kundalini
(signifying spiritual progress) is called pari.  The downward movement
of Kundalini (signifying spiritual decay ) is called nari.  So Shiva
converted nari to pari might mean that Shiva (in the form of a Guru)
initiated Mannikkavasakar in the path of spirituality.  The Siva 
puraNam  'namacci vaayaa vaazha, naathan thaaL vaazha
          imaip pozuthum en-nencil neenkaathan thaaz vaazha...'
has some interesting lines. 



>- SP.

Meenan Vishnu
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