HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Native Americans
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:58:47 GMT
Organization: United Federation of Planets

>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:37:57 GMT, jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr) said:

[a lot of arguments deleted]

> VERY important word here folks. 'Almost' every nation still exists.
> We WERE successful in destroying entire peoples.

"We" is quite obviously wrong. The concept of inherited sin, invented by the
bible, is in my eyes a huge load of crap. Nobody can be held responsible for
the crimes his ancestors committed.

If, on the other hand, you still profit from the crimes of your ancestors, you
*do* make yourself an accomplice.
-- 
Lars Soltau	bang: <insert ridiculously long path>	    BIX: -- no bucks --
		smart: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org

     Germany, Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, where dreams come true: Heaven is 911!
From: U37533@uicvm.uic.edu (Irene Marquez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:27:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <_y6m_na.rdc@netcom.com>, rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) says:

  *** stuff deleted ***

>>That makes her belong to the 0.002% of the
>>Americans, who have heard of another language. Seldom met such an
>>ignorance about foreign languages as in this country.
>
>The reason for knowing anything is based on need.  I argue that
>america is so big that there is seldom a need to deal with foreign
>countries.  European countries are the size of USA states, of which we
>have 50.  Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
>california, except we have better looking women and our grandfathers
>weren't fascists.

    I'm afraid you went off the deep end, Roger.   I most definitely
    agree with the basis of your argument.  We in America don't have
    a need to learn any other language.   Persoanlly, I don't think
    it's a good thing because it kinda makes us self-centered.  It
    seems to me that people in Europe know a lot more about us than
    we know about them.  In part, I believe that this is due to their
    knowledge of English which in turn exposes them to other aspects
    of American life through various types of media.   I'm afraid
    your point became mute by that slur you threw in at the end.

    *whisper* >>>  It's makes you look kinda stupid.  I think they
    already have that impression of us.  We don't need to reinforce
    it, do we?


    Irene
From: lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:22:31 EST
Organization: Test PLease ignore

In article <Bt2475.xD@chinet.chi.il.us>, harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:
>  |> >Is there anything liberal in the USA ?
>  |> 	Yes.  Shopping hours at malls and supermarkets.
>  |
>  |Now, finally, we are at *the* topic at all - shopping hours!
> Amen.
> 
>  |And, service here is much better, too.
> I wunder why the stores aren't open later in Germany.
> It seems that some entrepeneur could make a fortune by opening
> a store at later hours for those who wanted to shop later.

Isn't it against the law?

> There are no Seven-Elevens no Kwik Picks.

Yes, and that is to be thankful for.  These seem to be mostly
havens for junk food.  I can buy all the potato chips and
Twinkies (tm) I want there, but what about decent, non-processed
stuff?  Also, these places create low-paying, dead-end jobs,
and soon other places feel obligated to stay open later hours.
I don't think this is always a good thing.  Why do so many people
think the U.S. way of life (fast food, fast living, convenience
convenience convenience!) is such a good thing?  Better to hold
onto some customs than change at every whim.  <-(100% personal
opinion, obviously.)

> I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
> She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
> What, not even to make money?

What next?  The shopping mall mentality and culture?  Blech!

> Steve Harlow, Spinneheim, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA

Ed Lieser  (NOT "hanging out" at the mall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: hinkel@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: WITZBOLDE / JOKERS
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:49:40 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Although I'm an American who speaks English almost exclusively, I'm reluctant
to send a message, written in English, to what is supposed to be a German
bulletin board.  As I've indicated in previous postings [written in German], I
think we should communicate in German whenever possible.

Still, I want to respond to Ralf Korschinsky's request that I write a few lines
in English, so that illiterate computer dweebs can join in the fun.  Since
KOrschinsky asked me to be polite, I'll simply say that he's concerned about
the relationship between American bias and the linguistic limitations of many
Americans.

My original statement was entitled WITZBOLDE: "Es kommt mir (einem Amerikaner)
vor, dass einige Witzbolde, die sich in NEWS.SOC.CULT.GERMAN einmelden,
beschraenkte Ahnung von der deutschen Kultur und besonders der deutschen
Sprache haben.  Das schwarze Brett wird immer schlimmer. Liegt es jemandem, die
Sache auf deutsch zu besprechen?"

Of course, "WITZBOLDE' translates into 'JOKERS."  The rest of the requested
translation: "It appears to me, as an American, that a few jokers sending
messages to the German bulletin board have a very limited sense of German
culture and especially of the German language.  The bulletin board continues to
deteriorate.  Might anyone be inclined to discuss the matter in German?"

I directed a follow-up comment to a fellow American: "Dein freundliches
Eingestaendnis, wenn Du schreibst, dass Du von der deutschen Sprache [bzw.
Deutschland] kein Verstaendnis hast, leuchtet einem vieles ein....["I do not
understand German", schriebst Du gestern.]  'Wovon man nicht weiss, davon soll
man schweigen', schreibt Wittgenstein, glaube ich. Damit waeren viele Leser
dieses schwarzen Brettes einverstanden, vermute ich."

The requested translation: "Your friendly confession, when you admit that you
can't understand German -- and, therefore, Germany --, is very revealing.  'One
should remain silent about that which one can't comprehend,' writes
Wittgenstein, I think."

I sent the above messages in response to some very negative observations about
Germany.

My concluding comment: Let's stop pretending! ***The mainline into Germany in
through its language.  Without that language, we're only diddling on the
surface of appearances.***

From this point on, I'll write exclusively in German when posting on NEWS.SOC.
CULT.GERMAN.

Robert

{Robert Hinkel
Department of English
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, Michigan 49008}
From: hinkel@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: WITZBOLDE
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:09:29 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Ich moechte, um Verzeihung bitten, dass ich es versehentlich unterlassen habe,
meine heute eingetragene Mitteilung [#7784 WITZBOLDE] zu unterschreiben.

Danke, Till Poser, fuer Dein Posting zum Thema I HATE GERMANS wie auch Deine
ausfuehrliche Antwort zum Thema WITZBOLDE.

Robert Hinkel
Department of English
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, Michigan 49004

hinkel@gw.wmich.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,misc.forsale,rec.travel
From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
Subject: !!!!!! Frankfurt -> Toronto -> Halifax for $100 !!!!!!!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:14:27 GMT

I have a 2 way ticket from Halifax to Frankfurt via Toronto, but I am
only going 1 way.  I have to specify a return date before I leave, so
you can pick any flight (Air Canada) between August 28 and October 28.
With it you can check your baggage either to Toronto or to Halifax.

$100 US (DM 150) takes it.  We'll make arrangements to meet in Germany
and I'll sell it to you there, but reply soon, as I will not have 
electronic mail after this Friday.

-- 
--
Alan W. McKay		| (902)542-2201.158	| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
alan@acadiau.ca		| Acadia University	| SUB Box 6008, B0P 1Z1
----------------------------------------- My Canada includes Quebec -----
From: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Castle Wolfenstein
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:39:21 GMT
Organization: United Federation of Planets

>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 21:41:00 GMT, carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  said:

> Hat irgendjemand in D. schon etwas von dem Computerspiel "Castle
> Wolfenstein" von Apogee gehoert? In den US ist es sehr populaer.
> Es geht um einen (natuerlich blonden, blauaeugigen) Held, der von den
> boesen Nazis in ebenjenem Castle festgehalten wird und seinen Weg durch
> abschlachten moeglichst vieler Nazis freischiesst. Sehr huebsche Bilder
> spritzenden Bluts.
> Es wuerde mich interessieren, wie Deutsche und Deutschland darauf
> reagieren.

Ich finde es recht lustig, und habe es mit Genuss einmal durchgespielt, danach
wurde es sehr schnell langweilig.

Ich kann natuerlich nur von meinem Bekanntenkreis ausgehen, deshalb folgt
jetzt eine subjektive Einschaetzung:

Deutsche (juengeren Alters, Nachkriegsgeneration) sind total laessig
gegenueber Anti-Nazi-Filmen/Spielen/Buechern eingestellt, ganz egal wie
daemlich und einseitig diese sind. Es mag z.T. an der fehlenden Identifikation
liegen.

Im Gegenteil, jeder Deutsche, den ich kenne (das sind 'ne ganze Menge :),
lacht sich krank ueber diese Filme, in denen Deutsche ganz allgemein nur drei
Worte kennen: "Achtung!", "Schnell, schnell!" und "Rein, da!" (OK, vier
Worte.) In diesem Fall lachen wir eher ueber die Dummheit derjenigen, die
solche billigen Propagandastreifen herstellen.

Oder zum Beispiel "Monty Python": Die haben einige Verarschungen auf Kosten
der Deutschen gemacht, z.B. die Folge, in der Hitler, Goering, v.Ribbentrop
und Himmler nach England kommen und dort eine Grafschaft uebernehmen wollen.
Oder den "Toedlichen Witz". Ich kenne niemanden, der sich ueber solche
Verarschungen aufregt. Wir lachen alle selber herzlich darueber.

Vielleicht kennt einer die Folge von "Fawlty Towers", in der deutsche Gaeste
ins Hotel kommen. Der Hotelmanager, John Cleese, schaerft seinen Angestellten
immer und immer wieder ein "Whatever you do, don't mention the war!" Das ist
eine recht bezeichnende Stelle. Die Deutschen interessieren sich ueberhaupt
nicht fuer den Krieg und haben auch nicht das Denken "Wir haben eine auf den
Deckel gekriegt von den verdammten Englaendern". Der letzte Krieg scheint in
England ein viel groesseres Thema zu sein als in Deutschland.

Zusammenfassend bin ich der Meinung (ausgehend von meinen Beobachtungen
natuerlich und deshalb ohne jeden Anspruch auf Objektivitaet), dass es nicht
viele Nationen gibt, die ein so unverkrampftes Verhaeltnis zu ihrer
Vergangenheit haben, dass sie sogar darueber lachen koennen, wenn sie als
blutruenstige Idioten mit einem Vokabular von 3 Woertern beschrieben werden.
-- 
Lars Soltau	bang: <insert ridiculously long path>	    BIX: -- no bucks --
		smart: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org

     Germany, Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, where dreams come true: Heaven is 911!
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Fascist Parties in G.
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

CL>>1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
CL>>1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.

CL>First: there are no fascist PARTIES in Germany, 'cause they are not allowed.
CL>:-)

Care to explain, what colour the Republikaner, the FAP and the various
other organisations have? Have you ever read one of their programs?!?
You should, don't say afterwards: "We did not know that." !!!
Besides, fascistic symbols and gestures are verboten by law in Germany.
I've seen those supposed-to-be-part-of-the-German-DEMOCRATIC-Republic
people shouting merrily "Sieg Heil! " (2 minor remarks here: This is the
correct spelling you stupido Carasso, and, I'm sitting in the US, so I'm
allowed to write it :-| ) and waving their arms to the Hitler-Gruss. The
police was watching quietfully and protecting them from mean, radical
lefties.


CL>There is an increasing number of brain-amputated, violent youths who think
CL>they are neonazis but really are too stupid to understand anything about any
CL>given ideologie.

Well, this doesn't help me, if I'm get bashed by those not-so-bright
youngsters.

CL>>Germany, Italy, Austria, Latvia, and Croatia, are so full of fucking
CL>>bastards, and rascists even in this age, and I have no doubt that
CL>>they'd welcome an invading Serbian army to do a little ethnic
CL>>cleansing, just as the welcomed the German Nazi Bastards of 50 years
CL>>ago.
CL>Any country is full of intolerant bastards, only that it does not always
CL>cumulate in genocide.
CL>As for the ethnic cleansing: ask every Germany (only 80millions) and then
CL>tell me how many actually did welcome "an invading Serbian army".

CL>And of course there have been other mass murders in history...

Who gives a **** about that? "he did something meaner than me!" This
does not mean, that your sins are less.

CL>Solong.

So kurz, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Kein schoener Land in dieser Zeit...
                                                                                                            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: Art gallery image processing
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:45:04 EST

There is a rather interesting article in the August 15th issue of
the Economist, describing what Washington's National Gallery of
Art and Munich's Pinakothek are doing regarding image processing
of paintings.  The National Gallery is building a computer system
covering 2,800 of its American works.  Whereas photographs fade
and wrinkle, the digital images are accurate, detailed and last
forever.  The digital images will be able to track how the colors
of the paintings change over time; yellows are especially bad.

The National Gallery is using their system to determine if the
pictures need cleaning.  They swab a small section of a dirty
painting, letting their computer work out differences between the
clean and the dirty parts, and then apply these differences to the
digital record of the painting as a whole, producing a computer-
generated image of what a picture would look like were the whole
thing to be given a scrub.

Another technique, borrowed from satellite imaging, is to exaggerate
the color contrasts within a painting's digital image.  Apply the
trick to Jan Gossaert's "Adoration of the Magi", for example, and a
pair of cherubs, long darkened to the same muddy brown as the beam
they are sitting on spring to view.

Computers will also change art galleries for visitors, too.  By
putting their paintings on computer, galleries can make them
easier to find, understand and appreciate.

The Doerner Institute, a research laboratory attached to Munich's
Pinakothek, is using a computer system similar to the National
Gallery's to measure accurately the damage done to pictures in
transit.  By comparing scans of a painting's "Craquelure"--
the network of hairline cracks that covers its surface--before and
after it is moved, the institute can see if the cracks have multiplied
or lengthed.  An early trial of a painting, taken on a 250-mile road
trip in a car, showed that even a properly packed picture gets lots of
new cracks when it is moved.  The institute plans to publish its
findings in October.

If anyone would like a full copy of this article, let me know.

--------------------Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com------------------
From: jan@wedel.hanse.de (Jan Hinnerk Haul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time
Date: 22 Aug 92 10:30:05 GMT
Organization: None - the genius overlooks the chaos

mkraess@hubcap.clemson.edu (manfred kraess) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.163726.8744@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:
>>Eine kurze Frage: Wann beendet "Sommerzeit" in Deutschland?
>>
>>Vielen Dank!
>>Ed


>Sonntag, 27. September 1992:
>3.00 am MESZ  == 2.00 am MEZ  (CET)

>Manfred Kraess
>++1-803-654-1806
>mkraess@eng.clemson.edu

Allgemein:

Die Sommerzeit beginnt am letzten Sonntag im Maerz um 02 Uhr.
Die Sommerzeit endet   am letzten Sonntag im September um 02B Uhr.
-- 
Jan H. Haul		Tel. +49 40 - 890 57 57		Disc.: Not even *my*
Hamburg, Germany	Fax  +49 40 - 890 51 57		opinion
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: American ignor-/arrogance
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:42:01 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM's message of 17 Aug 92 17:09:34 GMT

In article <l8vnaeINNpcu@west.west.sun.com> markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe) writes:

   Ich bin ein Amerikaner, und ich bin beleidigt dass dieses "American
   ignor-/arrogance" genannt ist.  Gibt's wirklich einer nationaler Unterschied 
   zwischen einer Amerikaner Naar, einer Deutscher Naar und irgend andere einer 
   Naar?  Wenn mann dieses als "American ignor-/arrogance" nennt, sagt er dass
   solcher Quatsch einzigartig Amerikan ist.  

Yes, every country produces its own sort of fools. Here in Britain
they have this type of Oxfam graduates who are very proud that they
come from one of these famous institutions...

T.

P.S. Sorry this is an insider joke. Oxford- / Cambridge graduates are
sometimes called Oxbridge graduates. Oxfam is a charity which among
other things sell 2nd hand clothes (e.g. "Is this an Oxfam shirt ?" is
not a praise.).
--
************************************************************
Thorsten Altenkirch		alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk
LFCS, Edinburgh
Scotland
From: gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Keywords: Bigotry, racism
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:43:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <904m+rg.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:
>)From: Gregor Nitsche <nitsche@atmos.washington.edu)
>)To: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
>)Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
>)
>))) In article <jy4mczg.rdc@netcom.com) you write:
>))))
>))))My girlfriend just told me that she took German in college to meet her
>))))humanities requirement.  You'd think that German was the one subject
>))))that wouldn't fulfill the humanities requirement.
>)) 
>))) Could you please elaborate on that a little further?
>)) 
>)) hitler.
>)
>)Just to inform you: There's a whole lot more about Germany than Hitler.

As you have probably never heard of netiquette before: It is considered
impolite to post private mail without asking the author for permission.
It is even more impolite to delete parts of this mail without indicating
it. However, it is certainly your choice to embarass yourself with 
postings like that, if you absolutely want to.
>				   
>		     COME BACK TO THE FATHERLAND
>				   
>		"THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT GERMANY
>			     THAN HITLER!"
>				   
>			REDISCOVER YOUR ROOTS!
>				   
>			MEET UP WITH
>
>			THE AUNT WHO FED SS TROOPS!
>			THE GRANDFATHER WHO TRAINED BROWN SHIRTS!
>			THE COUSIN WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE NEW NAZI PARTY!
>
>		 (THIS WAS A PAID PROPAGANDA MESSAGE)
>

Well, seems to be a typical example what happens if you get your view
of history and other countries from class B war movies. And the worst
thing: I am sure if you asked this guy, he'd certainly tell us that
HE was not bigot, or prejudiced, or racist ...

One of the main reasons for the rise of fascism in Germany (and other
countries in Europe, for this matter) in the 20s and 30s was ignorance
about other peoples and cultures. Let's hope the level of ignorance 
Francis just exposed is not significant for the US ...

(However, as he crossposted his article to rec.humor, he  maybe just
thought it was funny ... :-(  )
>
>)please be careful with statements like that, especially when posting
>)them in soc.culture.german: A lot of people might feel insulted
>)reading that.
>
>WE WOULDN'T WANT TO INSULT THE GERMANS WOULD WE.
>NO, NOT THE GERMANS.  GOD'S GIFT TO HUMANITY.
>A LOVELY, JOLLY SORT.  LONG LIVE THE GERMANS!
>UBER! UBER! UBER!
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What the heck does that mean?
>.
>-- 
>____________________________________________________________
>___________________________ If you'd like my phone number,
>Roger David Carasso,        please me ask and I will give it,
>Celebrity                   so that we may talk about life.

Don't you think it might serve you better to get one of your own
before you start talking about it?

Gregor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jbronstad@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Need info on Univ.s in Germany
Reply-To: jbronstad@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:47:53 GMT

Hi!  Try our Amherst campus at U-Mass.  we have an internation exchainge program with Baden-Wuerttemberg and her nine Universities
[Freiburg, Heidelberg, Hohenheim Karlsruhe Konstanz Mannheim Stuttgart Tuebingen Ulm] .  We have accepten 89 German University
students at the 5 U-Mass campus for grad. work here.  13 are in physics.  4 of them are komming to the Darmouth capus of Umass in
sept.  
adrddress:  U-Mass Amherst
Internation Program
William S. Clark International Center
Amherst, MA  01003
Tel (413) 545-2710
Bitnet:  LAMET@UMASSIn article <1992Aug17.144650.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, bhuttam@woods.ulowell.edu (Bilal A. Bhutta  aka The Nukeman) writes:
>
my Tel.  (508) 999-8258 UMass Dartmouth
         (401) 635-4387  home
Joe Bronstad
>Note: I posted this on soc.college.gradinfo first but got no reply hence the 
>      posting here.
>
>Hi guys,
>     I need info on universities in Germany offering doctoral programs in 
>nuclear engineering. The only book in the library I was able to find giving 
>relevant info is "The World of Learning." It lists the names of professors and 
>affiliated institutes but nothing about degrees/programs offered. Are there some
>books (in English) which list detailed info about foreign/german universities 
>just like books by Barron's and Arco do for grad and undergrad institutions in 
>U.S. and Canada? I would greatly appreciate if you could give me any pointers in
>this regard.  
>    Thanks in advance.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bilal A. Bhutta
>--
>Nuclear Engineering Dept.
>UMass-Lowell
>
>bhuttam@willow.ulowell.edu
>mbhutta@cs.ulowell.edu
>
>
From: Christic Institute <christic@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:07 PDT
Subject: Frankfurt Green Housing?
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473000035:000:518
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!christic    Aug 21 21:07:00 1992


From: Christic Institute <christic>
Subject: Frankfurt Green Housing?

/* Written  8:08 pm  Aug 21, 1992 by gmarcus in cdp:glasnost.news */
/* ---------- "FRANKFURT GREEN HOUSING?" ---------- */
I read that there are low-cost housing developments going on in Frankfurt.
The housing is tied to greenbelts, are uncrowded, have play yards and all
the ameneties.  The world's most prestigious architects were invited to
participate in these projects.  Does anyone have any details and personal
reports?

Genevieve Marcus 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german