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From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: linguistic root of "thai"
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:51:52 GMT

In article <1eaul9INN2g2@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> 
kxc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Khuanchai Chooboonraj) writes:

>...........
>I was told that Thais (from Thailand) can't get a visa into Ahom State in
>India, can someone confirm this?

Up to a couple of year ago, it was true; but I don't know about now.
Not only Thais but all foreign nationals (ie, non-indian) were prohibited.
The reason was that the local people in Assam, the Ahom-Tai and the
Naga, were staging guerilla warfares to secede from India. This is a
left-over mess of the colonial era. It seemed, however, that the
Indian governemnt dealt with the issue with much more moderation
than other countries facing with this kind of problem.
>
>...........
>I referred to Sip Song Panna state in Chaina. I might make a trip there
>one day so I can see it with my own eyes.
>
SSPN has only about 2 mill of Tai people (Kuen and Lue). Like I said
the largest Tai group seems to be the CHuang people ( in KwangSi).
But the SSPN people still retain pretty much the same cultural
identity with Thai-Lanna whereas the CHuangs are pretty much sinicized.

>.............
>Please share us more of your infos about this matter. It has been very
>interesting subject.

Well, I blew it out of proportion somewhat. Actually, most of what I
want to say are my opinions which is pretty much in line with LuangVijit.
I don't want to elaborate for fear of flames. Have any of you read
BalLangCHiengRung, FagFaaSaaLaWin, NaanFaaJamPaSak, etc. of LuangVijit.
I read them all. That's how I got interested in this subject.

Our hope of sorting this mess out is on the shoulders of anthropologists
like Khun Samart. Too bad out gov doesn't see much benefit on this
because it's not exportable.

-Tawit 

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Tawit's cyclic rules for a perpetual junta governemnt:

1) Promise them that you'll give democracy back within a year.
2) Promise them that you'll not tolerate a civil unrest.
3) Break your 1st promise.
4) Then, honor your second promise.
5) Go to 1)
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From: dkgg1568@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (guyot daniel karl)
Subject: modem phone standard?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:53:13 GMT
Keywords: modem phone standard

Sawasdee Krap

I am planning to buy a modem to log on to e-mail while I'm at Chiang Mai
University (I will leave for Thailand in just 3 weeks!).  Can anyone
confirm that CCITT V.32 is the correct telephone standard for the modem?

Thank you.

Dan the Bug Man


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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: urbanism--Thailand
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:12:15 GMT

First of all, in case you have not included in your references, let me
introduce a book, NAGARA AND COMMANDERY: ORIGIN OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIAN
URBAN TRADITIONS, by Paul Wheatley, U of Chicago Dept. of Geography Research
Paper Nos. 207-208, 1983. As far as Thailand, I would recommend you follow
works of Ajarn Srisak Wanlipodom, of Silapakorn. He is an achaeologist who
has excavated some sites in Thailand, particularly Korat Plateau (sp?) and
Skonnakorn Valley, to look at the toombs. 

Another work done by Jiranan Prasertkul on the trade road from China to 
Thailand. I have not throroughly read it except some skimming. 

The Baan"Chiang remains should also add some artifacts to the trade and
population concentration which could give some lights to urbanization in
ancient Thailand.

It is a very interesting topic. Keep on and let us know when you've got 
something. Thanks before hand.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 19: Sia Song facing arrest.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:18:36 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


THE Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) yesterday filed criminal 
charges with the police accusing bigK]Z[YH.Wkk	IIM=9)Wacharasriroj and ten of his business partners of share p9Z,xmanipulations.
From: cslac2209@bestsd.sdsu.edu (UNALOME TECHAMUANVIVIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Pop music??
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:37:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov12.231516.22235@lsil.com>, kochpat%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Dan Kochpatcha writes...
> 
>	One more question, is CD popular in Thailand.  I went to the Thai
>bookstore(Siam Book Center) in L.A. last month, and did not see any
>C.D..  Actually, I have never seen any Thai CD being sold there. 

   Really? That's strange! Are you referring to the bookstore near Bangluk 
Market in Hollywood?  

   You should be able to find a lot of CD's down there since I bought all mine
there.  A CD's is normally sold for $19.  A bit more expensive than American's
CD...probably the shipping cost. :)

  You might want to try asking for them next time you go.  The CD's shack is 
right behind the counter...not very visible..that might be why you didn't 
notice them in the first place.

Unalome
From: kxc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Khuanchai Chooboonraj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Looking for a Thai Buddhist Temple
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:22:08 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

crutiras@bu.edu (Chokdee Robert) writes:


>Good day,

>My name is Chokdee Robert Rutirasiri, and I have just recently moved to 
>Boston, Massachusetts to attend Boston University.  I am origunally from
>Chicago, Illinois, where my mother frequently encouraged me to attend
>the Thai temple for various social functions and just tohave a refuge 
>from the world. I did not attend the temple as regularly as my mother 
>would have liked me to, but the times I did attend, I found it quite
>relaxing.  I need this type of refuge in Boston, but I cannot locate
>a single Thai Buddhist Temple.  If anyone out there has any suggestions
>please E-mail me at crutiras@acs.bu.edu   Thank you

Hi...

I believe that there is one Thai temple built by Wat Pak Nam around 2 years
ago but I haven't time to update my database for a while (have to it soon :-)

You can contact "Phramaha Bunrerm" at Wat Thai L.A. on a direct number:
(818) 780-4200 or (818) 997-9657. Wat Thai L.A. can help you with any queries
concerning all Wat Thai in US..

rgds,
kc

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From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: linguistic root of "thai"
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:09:56 GMT

In article <1ec9ksINNsk1@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> 
itthi@sunburn.UUCP (Itthi Trisirisatayawong) writes:
>.........
>the Chinese outnumbered the Thai (Bangkok was trading post
>since Ayuddhaya's time so lots of Chinese stayed here while the Thai scattered
>because of war with Burma and civil unrest) so eventually the Thai who lived 
>in Bangkok adopted this accent. The evidence that support this theory comes 
>from the fact every other cities around Bangkok don't use the "Bangkok accent".
>They speak noer'. You name it, Kanjanauri or Rajaburi or Supanburi on the west,
>Ayutthaya or Angtong on the north, Cholburi or Prajinburi or Rayaong on the 
>west all speak noer'. 

The very reason that was used to support the above hypothesis 
can also be used to challenge itself. 
If all other provinces surrounding BKK can have their own accents
(and each of them are different), why can't BKK has one? Why should
it need to be influenced by Chinese? If all accents surrounding
BKK are the same then the hypothesis would be more plausible.

-Tawit

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From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai romance
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:30:38 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara


	Sawasdee khrup tuk kon

	Anyone willing to share comments on traditional Thai courtship
	behavior?  I am interested in knowing common DOs and DON'Ts.

        For example, I heard that boys are supposed to pay for everything
        and they should always check if the girl has eaten or is hungry.

	Anyone who has seen the farang in PatPong may have the wrong
	impression of what I am asking for.  Here are some examples
	from American culture.

	DOs	
	---

	1. Find each other in a respectable public place.
	   examples: School, Sporting Event, Temple, Park, Zoo.

	2. Talk about each other for a little bit (30 minutes).

	3. Schedule a time to meet again.  Exchange telephone
	   numbers or addresses.

	4. Boy must call the girl first or go see her.  The phone
           call is only for confirmation of the time and place.
	   (Yes, even in America)

	5. Boy usually brings a small inexpensive gift for the girl.
	   examples: flowers or candy.

	6. Go somewhere public (lots of people) and private (no
           interruptions from family or friends) so you can learn
	   more about each other by doing something together.
           Boy usually pays for any large item and the girl is
	   expected to pay for something small although sometimes 
	   each can pay half.  Americans call it "going dutch".
           Whoever has the car drives.
	   examples: eating dinner (does he have good manners?)
                     movie (do we like the same actors?)
		     sport (how does he react if she wins?)

	7. Schedule another date and go home.  If the date did *not*
	   go well, then do not define a time (I'll call you).  If
	   the date did go well, the girl will probably give the boy
	   a kiss.

	DON'Ts
	------

	1. Find each other in an unrespectable or unromantic place.
	   examples: nightclubs, brothels, supermarket, post office.

	2. Don't meet the parents until you really like each other.

	3. Don't talk on the phone more than 2 times *before* the
	   first date.  Girl should trust boy enough to go out with
	   him.

	4. Limit your sexual contact.  Sorry, movies are only movies.
	   Holding hands or hugging is ok.  Kissing is *not* common
	   until you really know each other.

	thanks

	tim

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From: wsnew@cbnews.cb.att.com (wijit.siripun)
Subject: Re: Pop music??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.015947.138@tlaeng.enet.dec.com> trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.231516.22235@lsil.com>, kochpat%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Dan Kochpatcharin) writes:
>> 	One more question, is CD popular in Thailand.  I went to the Thai
>> bookstore(Siam Book Center) in L.A. last month, and did not see any
>> C.D..  Actually, I have never seen any Thai CD being sold there. 
>
>Yes. The cost is around 420 or 450 baht per disk. New CD pressing facilities
>have been set up locally and will run into production next year. So, it
>should be cheaper next year.

We bought a few Thai CDs at KlongTom last month when we were in Thailand.
They cost ~380 Baht for each CD.  In previous years, we bought at upper
scale stores, and they cost us ~450-550 Baht each.  So, now we know where
to buy them.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 22: Roundup
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:56:34 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Bangkok Post Nov 22: Political mags roundup
 
Government in a quandary
 
WHICHEVER way you look at it, Territorial Defence Director Lt-Gen 
Yuthapan Makaramanee'.$,.-Wk+k5=Q!=YI959Q1I1eM%91M)the fact that Thai politics is running int	I=	15M9Q!)chances of a political upheaval is rising, says Manager xRambutree 516.
 
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From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Nov 23: Chuan coalition on rocking boat
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.192128.20666@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
Yes, I think so too.  Look at all the mess in the west or Brazil.  When
the government over looks social problems, the country itself always ends
up like a trash can.  I'm afraid our country is going into that direction.
 These CPP mps are probably afraid of being tackled themselves.
By the way, any of us should not miss the movie "Malcom X".  Lots of good
stuff in there especially people who embrace racism with their heart and soul.

Thian.

PS:  Let's clean our house before somebody else does it for us.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Thai custard recipe wanted
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:32:34 GMT

In article <BxsCHH.51t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>....................
>I could not resist providing Kha'NOm+Mo"Kaeng (Thai custard) as requested by
>Khun Wisanu. Here it is:
>
>Ingredients
>~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>....................
>	*  can be substituted by muang bean or pumkin. 

I don't know how to do custard but i do know that you spelled 'mung bean'
incorrectly :-)-)-) BTW, i think you also forgot to add 'patience'.
Remember the famous ad-phrase "JaPrung Aharn Hi Aroy Tong Jai YenYen" :)
(see! I can always find faults with your recipe but since the ladies
of the net don't seem to be cooking too much, I'm afraid you'll have
to bear with my nuisance)

About the Thai" thing that you asked in a previous post.
Thanks for asking this in public; many probably don't know it either.

Thai" (thOO+thung+ Sa'ra'ai- mai^thoo-) is a small cloth bag that Thais
(in the past and probably even now in rural areas) keep their valuables
such as gold, jewelry including money. SOme Thai" are very small
(about 2 X 4 inches) and are carried along when traveling. 
The mouth of a Thai" can always be closed and secured by pulling
the string that threads the bag's mouth.
It is equivalent to a wallet here in the West. Nowadays, of course, most
high-so Thai use Pierre Cardin crocodile-skin wallets.

-Tawit

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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 19: Stock manipulator facing arrest
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:25:45 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


THE Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) yesterday filed criminal 
charges with the po6Z,RVVVWWKkI+k+	%5MQ=-QIIM=9)Wacharasriroj and ten of his business pa9:7Y..$Ki!IAI%)manipulations.
 
The move against the businessman, commonly-kk9MM%M=9)(meaning Young Tycoon Song), sent shockwaves through the StkkIxExchange of Thailand as panic-stricken investors rushed to dump 
their holdings.
 
The SET index at one stage plunged more than 50 points in the 
afternoon round of trading before Z]H.V+991=MQIM9QU)points less than the previous day.
 
Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai urged i7;Y.WKMeMQIe9=QQ=)panic, saying the official action taken yesterday RK	!)Government's effort to raise the SET to international standards 
for the sake of public's futu9YHZIMQ9) 
"This will enhance investors' confidence (in the Thai stock 

M)action.
 
Sia Song showed up at the Central Investigation Bureau yesterday
From: voravit@nwg.nectec.or.th (Voravit Euavatanakorn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Hi!
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Hi Everybody..
	I'm Voravit Euavatanakorn
	How to receive news from this home..
	:-) Voravit Euavatanakorn
From: crutiras@bu.edu (Chokdee Robert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: YOU NERDY GEEKS!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:43:51 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

In response to the article posted by TM41@lafibm.lafayette.edu

Please refrain from posting anything further in this newsgroup.  If you
don't have anything nice to say, JUST SHUT THE MOUTH!!!!

We Thai People are proud of our country and do not need people like you
to come into our homeland or our newsgroup and disgrace it.

Sincerely,

C. Robert Rutirasiri
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 19: Sia Song facing arrest
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:23:09 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

THE Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) yesterday filed criminal charges with the police accusing big-time stock trader Song 
Wacharasriroj and ten of his business pa9:7Y..$Ki!IAI%)manipulations.
 
The move against the businessman, commonly-kk9MM%M=9)(meaning Young Tycoon Song), sent shockwaves through the StkkIxExchange of Thailand as panic-stricken investors rushed to dump 
their holdings.
 
The SET index at one stage plunged more than 50 points in the 
afternoon round of trading beforYHZ]H.V+991=MQIM9QU)points less than the previous day.
 
Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai urge2ZKMQ=IMeMQIe9=QQ=)panic, saying the official action taken RK	!)Government's effort to raise the SET to international xfor the sake of public's future interest.
 
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From: bushnell@eos.arc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Bangkok/Chiang Mai bookstores
Reply-To: bushnell@eos.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: Ocean
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:13:14 GMT


Can anyone recommend some bookstores in Bangkok or Chiang Mai that carry 
computer science books?  I am looking for books written in Thai.

Thanks,
David Bushnell
bushnell@eos.arc.nasa.gov
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: any
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:55:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Nov14.215742.142@tlaeng.enet.dec.com> trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi) writes:

<...stuff deleted...>
>
>
>If you have something to complain about the Chuan administration or
>whatever, write to them. Tell them what you want. Let them know you're
>monitoring them all the time. If you don't know where to write to, send your
>letter to the Parliament.
>
You are absolutely correct!  REAL democracy means more than the right to vote!
It means the belief that everyone has an opinion and the responsibility to
tell the leaders what you think.  If you are too lazy or too afraid to express
your disagreement to your politicians, then you deserve whatever poor excuse
for government that you receive.

I always vote!  I always tell my elected respresentatives if I don't agree
with them and most importantly, I tell them why I don't agree with them.
It is my responsibility as a citizen of a democratic society.  

Are you water buffalo or the boy?

tim


BTW I voted for Perot!
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From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: Law
Keywords: properties' law
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:34:11 GMT

orapin@kenning.engin.umich.edu (Orapin  chuanromanee) writes:

>  Finally, they came up with a compromise solution.
>  First, she will divorce her husband, then, change
>  her fist name by addition her last name in parenthesis and re-marriage
>  her husband!

How about changing her first name without having to divorce?????
Sounds much more simple to me.

Some women has 2 last names, one is her surename before she got married
and the other is the husband's surname.  How did she manage to get that?

Nittida
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From: snaranit@nyx.cs.du.edu (songlert naranithiwan)
Subject: test
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:35:51 GMT

test,
Sawatdee Krub  

	Can any tell me how far we are doing with standardizing of Thai
romanization?  
	Email reply is welcome.
 
Kob Kun Krub

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Fa' Hai' Yi Ma Gaud  Yai Hai' Liang Ma Gaud Duay

Can anyone understand above sentence (Just want to check my writting)
Hint: It is a quotew from Romance of the Three Kingdom.

nsz48840@vax1.utulsa.edu
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: YOU NERDY GEEKS!!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:56:47 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>In response to the article posted by TM41@lafibm.lafayette.edu
 
Sawasdee khrup tuk kon

I tried to respond to this individual by email but he hides very well.  :-)
Please support my request to ignore him.  Please DO NOT respond to his
comment or any comments he will make in the future.  Also, please DO NOT
respond to support me.  He is only writing to test you.  He wants to
make you angry.  Remember cool heart. 

In America, we say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" which means
you must make noise if you want attention.  Can this newsgroup ignore
a squeaky wheel?  Why not?  We ignore democracy!  :-)  just kidding!

Anyway, remember  mai-pen-rai
Do we really want another flame war?

regards

tim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Nov 23: Doctors leaving govt services in drove
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:35:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.210451.4784@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes:
>In article <9211221325.AA25736@ipied.tu.ac.th.tu.ac.th> kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
>>To cope with the exodus of state doctors to private hospitals the 
>>Public Health Ministry is working with the University Affairs 
>>Bureau to increase the number of doctors graduateing each year to 
>>1,500.
>
>   1) How can they be so sure that these 1,500 new doctors will not
>      migrate to private sector?  Clearly, they do not see the real
>      root of the problem.
>
>   2) Please don't forget the QUALITY!!! and keep in mind the capacity of 
>      medical schools (real capacity, not a number for politicians).
> 


That's why I propose we tax these greedy private doctors ten times more. 
If they still continue to get richer, we'll tax them more and maybe stop
funding any medical school student who cannot promise to work for the
public for at least ten to fifteen years.
We should also start thinking about our national health care system.  Let
the private sector compete with their management, not the price.   That
means we control the basic medical care cost.

How does that sound?

Thian

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