From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Nasty E-mail (was: Hooray!!)
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:32:53 -0500

In article <ljiopgINNikn@news.bbn.com> rmcewen@bbn.com writes:
>	I don't get alt.feminism but would appreciate it if someone
>	would forward it there for completeness:
>	The following response is said with "tongue firmly in cheek":

Why bother to take up such space to respond to this if it's not
"serious."  I'll respond as if it is. 

>	This is true: a "man" would say, "Would you like to go out for
>	dinner?"

No, an intelligent being  would realize that if they want sex, perhaps they
should go somewhere where people are likely there for sex, like a
whorehouse or a pickup bar.  Even alt.personals would be a valid place
to look.

>	Yes, a "man" wouldn't use this this obviously line.  He'd say
>	something about you being beautiful/special/intelligent and how
>	that and how much you are important to him -- or other "stuff
>	that'll impress most women".

How about not bothering a person just because she happens to be a
woman who is posting on usenet as if she were wearing a sign that
says, "Come on to me, I'm easy." 

I don't get the leap of logic that says that if a woman makes any type
of comment on an issue that relates even in the least to sexuality
that she is in some way inviting sexual come ons.  

>	Yes, but that's because these freshmen aren't as experienced as
>	"men" are so they appear foolish to most observers.  After facing
>	the inevitable rejections they'll soon learn to start posting
>	looking for "friends just to talk to" in their area or whatever.

Of course you're going to be rejected when you look in the wrong
place.  Do you go into the grocery store and ask if they have the new
super dong jelly vibe?  Why not?  Because it's inapporpriate?  Because
common sense tells you they won't carry it?  Duh.

>	This is very good advice that these "boys" should listen to !
>	Listen to what this women is saying, "boys".  Stop pretending that
>	you are really interested in sex.  Start talking about "sensuality"
>	and "sexuality" and make sure that you are genuinely curious and
>	honest about the question you ask unlike when you say that you
>	are interested in sex...

Don't pretend anything, but don't go looking for sex from someone just
because they happen to be open to talking about sexual issues. 

>	That's right, "boys".  Stop trying to be mind-readers.  Trying
>	flirting, "creatively" -- this is what "honesty" is all about !

Hardly.  I think even a heavy case of "flirting" with no intent to
commence is far different than asking for someone's address and phone
number, or inviting them to stop by for some "fun" the next time you
go through their town.  All of these instances are things I have come
across in a SINGLE and first email contact with someone.  Yeesh.  

amy
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