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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Summary: comment from Skins fan
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:48:05 GMT

In article <=98m#v+.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>SF beat Washington this AM 17-15 on a 48-yard FG by Mike Cofer with
>no time left.  I realize that it was a meaningless game, but it
>sure felt good to see the Niners come out on the winning end
>of a final-second FG for a change.
>
>- Steve Young played the first half and looked so-so;  Steve Bono
>  played the second half and looked great.  I'm getting close to
>  wanting Bono as #2 on the depth chart.

Remember that Young was going against the Skins 1st-team defense, while
Bono was up against the second and third stringers.  I agree that Bono
looked better even taking that into account (his passing looked crisper).
>
>- The running game took a step backwards today.  Apart from a
>  rather exciting reverse-field sprint by Ricky Watters, the
>  Niners' first attempt against another NFC team didn't look so
>  great.  Amp Lee did almost nothing.

How much further backward can SF go? :)

>
>- The Niners' WRs looked generally super, which is good news with
>  Jerry Rice still sitting out.  Ron Lewis deep-fried a couple of
>  defenders, and Troy Kyles, who's probably their #6 WR, turned
>  in some great catches.

A couple of points.  The Skins go with almost exclusively man-to-man coverage
in the preseason to see what the DBs can do.  Most of the frying was going
on in the 2nd half, against late-round picks and free-agents.  I don't want
to take anything from Kyles or Lewis, but from what I saw, this was not
a good test of whether they can get open in the regular season.

>- The pass rush looked pretty good, considering that it was facing
>  the best OL in the league.

Yes, it looked pretty good.  I balance the fact that the Skins OL is minus
Lachey with the fact that Haley was not playing.

>
>- Special teams is still on the mend but seems to be getting better.
>
>All in all, a pretty fair showing against the world champs.  If I
>had to make a prediction today, I'd say 11-5 even without Joe and Jerry.

They scored most of their points in the second half, against scrubs.  In
fact, I noticed that most the second half the Skins went with 4 DEs on the
line.  They currently have too many DE's in camp, and with one of their
starting tackles out for a long time, I guess they are looking to move 
somebody.  Net result for this game was little pressure in the second half.
Even the Niners should have been able to run on these guys (and Watters
did). :)


Drew
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Packer news Ruettgers status
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:35:19 GMT

>
>Heard on this morning's news that Ruetgerrs has agreed to a 1 year deal
>with the Packers. Terms were not disclosed.
>
>
>
>   Player             1991  Asking   Offered
>>-- ------------------ ----- -------  -------
>>QB Mike Tomczak       $550K  $1M     $700K     
>>WR Perry Kemp         $375K    ?        ?    signed
>>TE Jacke Harris       $125K    ?             signed
>>OT Ken Ruettgers      $750K  $1.1 M     ?    signed
>>OT Reggie Singletary  $170K    ?        ?
>>G  Rich Moran         $675K    ?             very close
>>DE Lester Archambeau  $90K     ?        ?    signed
>>LB Brian Noble        $600K    ?        ?
>>LB Brice Paup         $100K    ?        ?    signed 
>>CB Terrell Buckley      NA   $2.3 M   $1.3 M
>>
>
>Jerry Holmes walked out of the camp yesterday, not over the contract
>but upset with his own performance in the game against the Jets.
>he is expected to return today.
>
   The way I hear it, he has retired. He cleaned out his locker I guess.
   That's too bad, he wasn't a bad player. With all the young guys and
   plan B guys in though, I doubt if he would've made the team anyways.

   --salty
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins News - Humphries traded
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:01:50 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The Washington Redskins have traded Stan Humphries to San Diego Chargers. 
San Diego's General Manager Bobby Beathard gave Redskins' General Manager 
Charley Casserley a fourth-round draft pick on draft day that may become 
a third-round draft pick if Humphries is in half of the San Diego offensive 
plays.  This seems likely since the Charger's starter John Friesz is 
out for the season with a knee injury.

Humphries was pulled from of a team meeting and told about his trade.
Casserly and Beathard finished the trade when Casserly phone Beathard
at 3 a.m. (Eastern daylight time) to okay it.

Humphries got back on a 747 barely 24 hours after he arrived in London
with the Redskins and flew back to Northern Virginia.  Humphries already 
sold his home in Northern Virginia last February.

Humphries had played in only nine games in four years; he started in 
only five games, all of them when Rypien got hurt last year.  Rypien 
suffered a knee injury in the third game of the 1990 season.  Humphries 
completed 20 out of 25 passes for 257 yards and two touchdowns against 
Phoenix Cardinals in his first start.  He led the Redskins to victory 
over the Eagles in his second game.  However, in the next three games 
against the Giants, Eagles, and Lions he threw nine interceptions.

His career turned on a pass against the Giants on October 28, 1990.  
He had completed 11 passes in a row and the Redskins were four points 
behind when he threw what should have been an easy touchdown pass.  
Ernest Bryner couldn't hold on to that pass, and the Redskins lost the 
game.

In the following week Humphries threw three interceptions against the 
Detroit Lions.  In the next week, replacing injuried Rutledge, he went 
down with a knee injury and hasn't played ever since.

When the 1990 season ended Gibbs flatly told Humphries that he was unhappy
with his work habits and that Humphries wasn't ready to seize the opportunity 
when Rypien went down with an injury.  Gibbs challanged Humphries to 
work harder, and he did in the summer of 1991.  But when the 1991 season 
started, Gibbs settled on Rypien as the quarterback most likely to carry 
the Redskins to the Super Bowl, and Conklin also impressed Gibbs as 
the backup quarterback.

Humphries was fourth (or fifth) quarterback on the depth chart behind 
Rypien, Rutledge, Conklin and rookie Chris Hakel.

Gibbs is said to have won the three Super Bowls by getting his kind 
of players who are willing to put in the hours in the weight room and 
classroom upon which he insists.

Source: The Washington Post, August 14, 1992

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From: rjmathia@novell.com (Robert Mathias)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.191358.4758@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
>
>Oh, he makes up half of THE WORST PAIR OF COMMENTATORS in any sports
>coverage:  ESPN, along with Mike Patrick(?).  "Well, when I was in
>Washington, we ran the . . . <insert most obviously play in the given
>situation>, and, WELL!  Looks like I should be on the sidelines, huh!"

Atleast Joe is not afraid to say what he thinks.  I rembered last year at
the beginning of the season that Joe said the Giants were going to be at
best a 500 team.  Everyone thought (including me) that he was wrong.



Bob Mathias
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From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
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Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:51:01 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

>In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU>, (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.

I like this year's new rule:

A team can only send six captains to the coin toss before the game. If the team
does not send any captains out for the toss, it will lose the option for both
halves and be hit with a 15 yard penalty on the opening kickoff.

Go figure. Now you can get 15 yards for an "illegal coin-toss formation."
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: No Draft Next Year?!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:06:55 GMT

heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>If you want 
>to work on the line at GM you *have* to join the UAW and you *have* to 
>follow their rules.

And what, pray, is the relevance of this comment to our discussion?

>PS. I thought the players union recertified shortly after the 
>decertification.  Am I wrong?  

Yes, you are.  But we like to read your postings anyway, so please
don't stop.



--Gidi
From: tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:17:47 GMT
	<23540@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Steve Williams writes:
>The Redskins have won 22 of Rypien's last 26 starts.  Rypien didn't throw

Don't Mike Tomczak and Jim McMahon have crazy stats like that too?  And
where are they?

Todd
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Bubby Done?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 AUG 92 21:21:25 GMT


In a previous article, Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>Word out of Steeler training camp is that Neil O'Donnell looks VERY
>impressive.  The media is anticipating O'Donnell being the starter for
>opening day.
> 
>Todd

Thank you, God. I know there's still alot of playing to go, and no 
offense to Brister fans, but he got on my bad side when he asked for
all that money. I hope O'Donnell gets to start against the first 
string soon so we'll get a better idea of how good he's really 
becoming. And remember, the Steelers are practicing against some of
the best defenders in the league (Philly, Chicago, New Orleans). 


-
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|   "All of life is a blur 
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    of Republicans and meat!"
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:27:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
I think you mean.. *Tim* Brown..
>     Ty Detmer           ????????
			  Green Bay ... isn't it


How about, 

Vinny Testaverde 	Tampa
Mike Rozier		HotLanta
Barry Sanders		Detroit
Andre Ware		Detroit


That's about it.  Unless Bo comes back to the Raiders.  Speaking of Bo... 
isn't it interesting that Bo barely won the Heisman over Chuck Long or Detroit
might have THREE Heisman winners on the roster.  And what a flop Chuckie has
been! He certainly would have upheld the old Heisman Jinx!  


-- 
Ronnie
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Robert Delpino? 
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:31:19 GMT


So subject says it all. will he play? Get time? Whats up with him?

Mark Gresbach
GO VIKINGS!
From: v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bills/skins
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <yzym9_a@lynx.unm.edu>, jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb) writes...
>In article <1992Aug6.195804.16089@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas
Gauger) writes:

>>And the TEGGER says:
>>
>>Buffalo, IMHO, has more talent then Washington. The reason why they get
>>killed is because the Redskin's simply had more desire. Buffalo
>>assumed that all they had to do was show up -- which some of them
>>did not -- and they would win. They is not how it works in sports
>>at any level.
> 
>	What? You must be joking. Offensively you can make an arguement that
>the Bill's have mroe talent, but they have nowhere near the talent that the
>Skins do on defense. Look at the statistics. Redskins defense - #3 in total
>yards given up, the Bills... #27. 

	First off, total yardage given up does not indicate the quality of a
defense.  Secondly, the Bills' opponents had considerably more offensive plays
than the NFL average.  That skews the defensive stats.

                                   Sounds like a no talent defense to me. You
>can make the whiney arguement that Bills fans always make  "If Smith wasn't 
>injured our defense would be bad ass."

	This is hardly a "whiney argument."  It is the truth.  Bruce Smith is
the best defensive lineman in the league, period ( or was, before the injury. )
When Lawrence Taylor's play began to deteriorate a little because of age, Smith
became the best defender.  He is an awesome pass-rusher, often beating double-
team blocks.  He can penetrate on running plays, and he can hold up at the point
of attack and make the play.  He even cover receivers out of the backfield
( though not by design ).  Just ask John Elway about that one.  Bruce Smiths'
return as a healthy player, shoring up the weakest area of the Bills' defense,
would be a tremendous improvement.

                                        I doubt that he could help the defense
>that much. Sure he's a high impact player, but that can't help what ails the
>Bills defense. The have no secondary. Their defensive line gets pushed around.
>They have ok players, but no real talent comparable to the depth and experience
>of the Redskin D.

	The secondary is pretty good.  They haven't got anyone like Darrell
Green, but Odomes is a good cover man, and their other backs are good, as well.
The defensive line is strictly average without Smith.  Remember, the Bills had
eight injuries on the defensive line at one point.  That's more than most teams
carry at the position.  Their starters then were a guy who signed as free-agent
and a third-string veteran who was a late-round pick.  They have less talent on
defense than the Redskins, but it is comparable, and the offensive talent
advantage more than makes up for that.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>James Webb						jawebb@leo.unm.edu
>Go Dolphins!!!!!!
>Die Bills!!!! (they are doing a pretty good job of that too)

Snoopy
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From: rajdeo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Raj Deo Choudhury)
Subject: Gary Clark and his off-field activity!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:41:28 GMT

        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Washington Redskins wide receiver Gary Clark was
arrested and charged with theft Tuesday, after being stopped for
speeding by Maryland State Police.
        Police said Clark was stopped for speeding, but while he was being
questioned, an officer noticed the license plates appeared to be
altered. A check revealed the vehicle had been reported stolen from a
Virginia dealership in January.
        Clark was charged with theft of more than $300 worth of material,
possessing a vehicle with a defaced serial number and speeding. Maryland
State Police also said Clark was released on his own recognizance.
        Clark left for London with his teammates to prepare for the club's
pre-season game against San Francisco on Sunday, team officials said.
        Clark, a four-time Pro Bowl selection, caught 70 passes last season
for 1,340 yards and 10 touchdowns.
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stadium Information
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:55:50 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Aug11.225930.15920@leland.Stanford.EDU> (Jason Gische) writes:
>In article <t02m7v_@lynx.unm.edu> jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb) writes:
>>Team                   Stadium                       Capacity   I/O  Surface
>>--------------------   ---------------------------   --------   ---  -------
>>New York Giants        Giants Stadium                 77,311     O      T 
>>New Yorks Jets         Giants Stadium                 76,891     O      T
>                           ^^^^^^^                       ^^^^
>Am I missing something?  Do the Giants actually sell more seats to their
>games than the Jets do?

Yes. One difference is the seating in the skyboxes that are behind the
mezzanine seats. The corporations that rent the boxes are allowed to buy extra
tickets per box which are the bar stools at the bar.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:42:26 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug17.234720.21170@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

>In article <1992Aug17.172227.27074@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>>>Lewis Billups was responsible for the only Packer score.  He 
>>>intercepted a Nagle pass and returned it for a TD.  But it was Billups 
>>>that was beat on the Jets long TD pass I mentioned and he also was 
>>>called for pass interference.
>>>
>>  Hmm, not really that important, but I believe it was Holmes, #44
>>  who was burned badly on that TD pass. I may be mistaken tho. But
>>  I'm pretty sure it was Holmes.
>>
>   You're right, it was Holmes that got beat. He also got beat for a
>   short TD pass in the game. It looks like Billups is in to me.

The big news out of GB today is that Holmes was so upset with his 
performance that he has left camp.  He just packed up and went home.  
I guess you could say Jerry Holmes has retired.

Really, although Holmes hasn't exactly played at a pro-bowl level 
since he's been with GB, he's given it one helluva effort.  It's too 
bad his career had to end this way.

>   p.s. Was anyone else pissed that Detmer didn't get a shot to play?
>   If they keep that bum Tomcazk over him, I won't be too happy. Too
>   short??? Not a strong enough arm??? Anybody with about 55 NCAA records
>   and the only QB to have his team beat Miami in the past two years
>   must have done something right!!!

Forget it.  Tomczak is through.  I'll bet Detmer plays the entire 2nd 
half next week.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: A good laugh for Fin fans
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.142655.21819@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_bellor@csc32.enet.dec.com (Micheal M Bellor - Digital Customer Support Center (800) 525-6570) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug19.135308.19470@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes...
>>In article <1992Aug17.163837.16454@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug11.171139.2239@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>>>Guess who is injured and sitting on the bench? Guess which RB can't
>>>>play much yet? 
>>>>
>>>>Sammie Smith!!! I can hardly stand it! What a hoot. How do you like
>>>>him Denver?
>>>>
>>>>Tony (go new england) Travaglini
>>>>tech@cs.ucf.edu
>>>
>>>I wouldn't start the laughter track just yet Tony, looks like Mark Higgs and
>>>Bobby Humphrey both got dinged in the Denver game this weekend. Don't know
>>>the extent of the injuries yet, I just caught a glimpse on Sports Center.
>> 
>>Just sore ribs.  He got smashed in the back pretty good.
>> 
>
>Dennis Smith gave Bobby a real good wake up call on his first carry, funny
>thing is that Bobby left the game real quick after that. You don't think
>there is any hard feelings from former teammates, do you???  It looked like
>Dennis was waiting for Bobby to get the call, I think Bobby found out why
>Dennis has been to a few Pro Bowls!
>
>Sasquatch
>
>

Just a quick note on Sammie Smith.  He is practicing at last and is expected
to play some against Dallas.  Finally, we'll get to see what we got.
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From: dmercer@oracle.com (David B. Mercer)
Subject: Re: HEY PATRIOT FANS
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:20:17 GMT
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In article <1992Aug13.155758.13231@ils.nwu.edu> pbright@ils.nwu.edu (Paul Brightbill) writes:
>I'm putting together a collection of names of past Patriot players as part
>of a practical joke on my roomate (who is an avid Patriot fan).  Could a
>few of you send me some famous (and some not so famous) names?

This just got me thinking, remember that season---was it 1989 or
1990---when the Pats played with three QB's: Grogan, Flutie, and
Eason.  Where are these guys now?

Steve Grogan, I believe, has retired.  Last I heard, he commentated
the Patriots' pre-season games last year.  Does he still do that?  I
always thought he was pretty cool.  They should give him some position
in Patriots' management.

Doug Flutie is up playing Canada.  Which team is that?

Tony Eason was traded to the Jets.  Does he still play for them, or
was he forced into early retirement or something?

Hmmm.  Now we've got Hugh Millen and Tommy Hodson, two of the best
QB's still in the NFL.

Having just moved out to California, anyone know what Patriots
coverage is like?  I assume we'll get the Niners at Pats game, and the
superbowl game.  Anyone know if there's any chance of getting any
others?

---DBM

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