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From: hugo@batsparc.Berkeley.EDU ( Hugo Calendar )
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jumping
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:51:47 GMT
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Ben Goodwin writes:
> What types of exercises should I do to increase my vertical leap?
> I'm working on my jumping spinning back kicks and I figure there must
> be some muscles that I can work on to give me a little more height.

Bill Burgar writes:
> IMHO, you would do well to look at what your arms are doing. The
> arms play a very important part in getting your centre of gravity
> moving upward before your feet leave the floor.

> I think the quads are probably the major muscle group for jumping,
> and I hate to say it but deep stances are probably good for developing
> them. Calf muscles play an important part, if used correctly, however
> most people do not use them fully. You may be better to look at
> completely utilising your muscles in addition to making them stronger.

Indeed, deep stances steel your legs.  We also used to do squat jumps
on end at my school.  In a squat jump, you start with your legs bent as
far as they go, standing on the balls of your feet (or flats, if you're
that flexible), then you jump up as high as you can, and bring your
knees into your chest at the apex.  You land in the same position you
started.  For balance development purposes, you want to try to keep your
torso straight, and your arms in a given position (on your head, or in
a guard position, perhaps) throughout the whole thing.  Do as many of
these as you can in a row, and you feel like you've got hot wax in your
legs.  You can devise your own workout structure (pyramid?) with this
exercise.

My old instructor also told me about something you can do if you want
to become really good at jumping.  This was to run A LOT; when you've
reached an equilibrium, you switch running surfaces to something looser,
like sand.  You keep this up until you're running on large light pebbles
that you really sink into.  Sound like fun?  I've never tried it, but
that's the lore.

Bill Burgar writes:
> How timely, I'm just about to start writing a BIG article about
> jumping, so I'll be interested to see what the net has to say about
> this.

Equally, I'd be interested to read your article.  Will you be able
to post it here?


Hugo
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Subject: Re: An ex-boxer and lurker wishes to comment...
Keywords:   ;-)
Reply-To: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:54:24 GMT

In article <23626@alice.att.com>,
garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson) writes:
|> 
   [...]
|> There's a definite pro-Eastern bias in the martial arts.
|> We are generally pretty good in this newsgroup about 
|> respecting one another's arts, and avoiding the
|> "My Kung Fu is better than Your Kung Fu" kind of crap.
|> But for some reason Boxing seems fair game.  I don't know why.

Simple: Because boxing is Not a martial art. You see, they have
no fancy clothes, do not use exotic languages, they don't even
talk of zen. No katas, no belt, no MA. Sorry.

In my opinion, which happens to be the Absolute Truth, there are
only two real MAs: Meik Do and Greenooh - oh, I mean Greek-Roman
wrestling, just a typo, seriousl
From: turnbull@ces.cwru.edu (John Turnbull)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:48:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: john.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep01.135224.16346@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>In article <715302097snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
>>
>[snip]
>>
>>A few months ago during some inner city troble, I saw a police
>>officer effectively disarm a six foot two machete wielding
>>160 lb assailent using an English Police trunction.  I belive
>>these are somewhat smaller than American Police nightsticks.
>>I had to admire the move.  I hold dan grades in a number of
>>martial arts, including some weapon arts, but there was no way
>>I would have disarmed the attacker without causing major damage.
>>As it was he had a couple of very nasty bruises and a cracked
>>shin.
>>
>>Sorry but using a gun against a machete seems a bit of an
>>overkill.
>
>his life at serious risk going hand to hand against a thug.  Why give them
>guns in the first place? 

The one point to remember is that being an English policeman, he probably
didn't have a gun, so it was either let the person continue wreaking havoc
with the machete, or stop him with the truncheon. A gun isn't overkill, it's
just not always available.

John


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rantinoj@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: martial-arts archives ?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:06:29 GMT

Is there any ftp-sites for martial-arts archives ?

I thought there is at least one machine named dragon which has
archives but I have forgotten the whole address.

-- rantinoj@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
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From: pmw2c@csissun8.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Subject: Re: Fencing
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun8.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:52:17 GMT

In article <1865@celia.UUCP>, doug@celia.UUCP (Doug Nichols) writes:

|> 	-fencing -vs- SCA, pros/cons

In response to the question of fencing -vs- SCA style duello, I think
that the pros and cons are:

PRO for fencing -vs- SCA:
-------------------------
Greater recognition as a "real" sport.

More participants all over the world.

Training is "relatively" easy to find.

Well established point system for determining victory.


CON for fencing -vs- SCA:
-------------------------
Fencing limits you to moving along a line, SCA fighting has no
such limitation.

Fencing limits your weapon selection, SCA fighting allows for 
almost any historically accurate weapons, including two rapiers,
rapier and main-gauche, buckler, cloaks, etc.

Fencing is done in tournaments only, SCA fighting is done in melees and
tournaments.

Fencing only allows certain target points, in SCA fighting the entire
body is a legal target.

Fencing only allows thrusts, in SCA fighting draw-cuts are also
allowed.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fist
Keywords: Pheonix Eye
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:31:18 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug27.144515.24787@exu.ericsson.se> exudms@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>
>  
>I'm not for shure I understand  what " the index finger folded over the fist"
>is truely meant here but in Chinese Shao Lin we have what is called the
>"Pheonix Eye fist". This is when you form a vertical fist with the index 
>finger and thumb pressed together. This protrudes from the fist creating
>a sharp point. It is a strike that can be quickly executed from any other 
>formed fist usually to the more softer areas and pressure point targets.
>It can also be a fatal strike to the temple area of the head.
>Hung Gar and White Brow use this strike frequently.
>Is this the same as the finger folded over the fist?

Nope, this is what we karate-types usually refer to as an
"ippon-ken" (one-point fist). The "index finger folded over"
fist is a variation of the standard karate forefist ("seiken")
in which only the first and second knuckles (i.e., the two that
are closest to the palm) of the index finger are bent and the joint
closest to the tip remains straight. All of the other fingers are
curled completely. This causes the outer two
bones in the index finger to lie diagonally along the base of the
thumb. From the "business end", it looks just the same as a regular
fist. You can't see the difference unless you look at the palm side.
A lot of old-time Okinawan karateka make this sort of fist in preference
to the "standard" one. They claim it's "better". Just examining this fist, 
I've noticed a couple of things:

1) when I make the fist this way, my forearms seem *slightly* more relaxed.
   This might produce a somewhat faster punch and better focus.

2) the knuckle of my middle finger seems to protrude a little more - this
   would, I expect, result in a somewhat more effective punch since more
   of the power would be concentrated on a smaller area.

I'm still a little nervous about the safety of the index finger in this
configuration. I guess I'll have to try it on the makiwara and see...

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: kochte@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: RE: did someone say invertebrate?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:06:07 GMT

>>(And it's a good thing too.  The infamous banana slug of California coastal
>> regions regularly grows to lengths in excess of 12 inches.)
>
>That's not a slug its a snake!

Snakes....why did it have to be snakes?

Mark
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Stretching Exercises
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:42:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3583
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep1.185344.16925@odin.corp.sgi.com> gints@roadkill.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis) writes:
>him side-splitting on two chairs, mounted by a babe. 

	Umm, I think you mean "with a woman on his shoulders", unless
these exercises borrow heavily from the Kama Sutra...
From: bjr@cellar.org (The Keymaster)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu info wanted ...
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:33:51 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (panagiotis skagos (187802923)) writes:

>   Anyway, I was wondering what sort of stuff I can expect from studying
> Kung Fu ... I mean, what should I expect from the instructors and stuff
> like that.  Any info on Kung Fu would be greatly appreciated.  Any
> info on books and stuff would also be nice.  Thanks in advance!
> 

Well, I'm an instructor of kung fu in Phila. Pa.  You didn't mention which 
kung fu style you chose, but in general I can say this:  You have seemingly 
studied kendo (Japanese) for a little while.  The basic philosophy is 
different.  Chinese styles tend to the softer, more circular techniques and 
Japanese tend toward the hard, or linear techniques.  Each has it's own 
strengths and weaknesses.

As far as reading material goes, there are many fine books on the subject, 
many which specialise in your chosen style.  There are also many "junk" books 
written by self-professed "masters" who are merely out to sell you a book and 
not to advance the cause of knowledge.  Research the author as you would a 
teacher.  Check on his writing credentials, his teacher, and his teacher's 
teacher.  Any good instructor is proud of his teacher, and will expound on 
them at length if you let them.

Hope this helped.

Peace

KM

WOMAN.ZIP -- Great program, but where is the documentation?
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:08:56 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <memo.602585@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Maybe not, but the skills learned in clinching can be very valuable
>in close in fighting.

	I don't think I agree with this:  I _want_ him to clinch, where
he can't use his fists well but I can make him fall down easily.

> Boxing specialised in a certain set of skills 

	If the Genie of the Martial Arts appeared before me, and informed
me that I'd won the Martial Arts Digest Sweepestakes, and 1st prize was
my choice of 1/2 dozen OK kicking techniques or one hell of a left hook,
*I'd* take the left hook...


From: mwong@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Marilyn J Wong)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:24:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: -=-=-< CONGRATULATIONS! >-=-=-
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

Marty,

Thanks for the welome to this notesgroup and the pointed remarks.
I agree with some of them and that maybe I was slightly out of line
and overly defensive, but, you were pretty harsh yourself.

Regarding the communist implementation of wu-shu, that is something
that I am aware of and I do agree that the governement could in no
way preserve all of traditional MA into this 'showmanship' version.
However, I do remain stuck with the concpet of skills and interpretation
being handed down through the generations.  

Even though wu-shu has been of communist origin (if you may say so)
it has undergone a lot of change through the years.  Looking at the
generation where my instructor, Jamie Chan (Xian J-ing Ping <- grossly
misspelled) came from versus Wong Ping generation of now there are a
differences which I feel arde due to the various changes being made
in the teaching tradition which are a result of interpretation.

Regarding the potential of being expelled from a school for a remark 
like that, well. that may be true, but this is a bulleting board and
as far as I can see a rather big sounding board for a lot of people
I can assure you that I am a model student when the time and place
is at hand.  I am sure that you and the rest of the contributors
on this group are as well.

Au revior until next time,
Marilyn  :)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Subject: Re: getting involved
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.035237.9575@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:


>As you say, you can always let someone out of an armbar.  But
>maybe it's better not to have to put them in one in the first
>place?  

Disengagement is often the point of greatest
danger in lots of combat situations.  You can 
let him out of an armbar, but surely many on this
list know how to turn that (being let out of this
position) around on the person letting you out...

>Closing thought: if you know any cops, ask them whether 
>they think responding to domestic calls unarmed would decrease 
>the risk of violent outcomes.

Every cop I have ever talked to or shot with
considers domestic situations to be the absolute
worst.  You NEVER know what is going to happen, and
you can never be sure what side the participants are
on.  They may be trying to kill each other until YOU
show up, and once you get involved they can team up
and then it is them against the cops...

>--
>Richard A. Drury
>drury@helix.nih.gov


Cherry!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: did someone say invertebrate?
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:36:57 +0000



>Well, in keeping with the martial arts principle that the best way to
>deal with a conflict situation is to avoid it in the first place, we
>Americans have long since done away with doorstep milk delivery.


Now you see thats where "you Americans" just keep going wrong. First
you have a revolution against us Brits and then you do away with milk
deliveries, you'll be calling yourselves a super power next ;-)


>(And it's a good thing too.  The infamous banana slug of California coastal
> regions regularly grows to lengths in excess of 12 inches.)


That's not a slug its a snake!


Bill Burgar
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:22:22 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug29.065519.17970@access.digex.com> cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart) writes:
>
>If either party decides to attack, then the 
>other party has no choice.  For all of the people
>who were saying that someone with a knife can 
>get you if they are within 20 or so feet, how do 
>you feel about someone with a machete at 10 feet?

Actually, it appears to have been even worse than that.  From today's
Daily Californian:

  "The first officer to arrive on the scene, UC police Sgt. Mitchell
   Celaya, spotted Denovo through a first-floor window and, at
   gunpoint, ordered her twice to drop the 18-inch machete and 6-inch
   hunting knife she held in her hand, [U.C. Police Lt. Pat] Carrol
   said.

   Although she dropped the knife, Carroll said, Denovo brandished the
   machete in a ``combative strike position,'' staring defiantly at
   Celaya.

   Additional Berkeley and Oakland police units then arrived on the
   scene.  The plan was to find Denovo with the help of an Oakland
   police K-9 unit and demand her surrender.  If she refused, Oakland
   police were prepared to disarm her with a stun gun.

   However, police said Denovo forced the situation when she attacked
   Oakland police Officer Craig Chew in a cramped, second-floor bathroom.

   As Chew tried to open a door from the bathroom into an adjoining
   bedroom to allow his dog to sniff for the intruder, Denovo yanked
   the door open from inside the bedroom and swung at Chew with the
   machete, Carrol said.

   According to police, Chew fell back as Denovo swung a second time.
   As he fell partly into a bathtub, Chew fired at Denovo four times,
   mortally wounding her."


So, if this account is accurate, it was the cop, not Denovo, who was
cornered.

And I'm sure that what was going through his mind when the door yanked
open was not some mushin aikidoka sword-taking response, but rather all
those paranoid bang-you're-dead scenarios they teach at cop school.



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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Da lu
Date: 29 Aug 1992 21:34:22 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

[In this article I concede to pinyin and simplified characters]

In article <9208280330.AA10252@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> david_yeh@MACMAIL.MED.NYU.EDU ("David Yeh") writes:
>In the past, I've heard people talk on the Taiji threads that a "practical"
>application or exercise (i.e., the next step after push hands exercise) in
>Taiji is da lu.  I practice Taiji myself, but I don't really know what da lu
>is.  Can someone explain?

T`a l^"u ("close repeated stepping") is much like pushing hands, but with 
moving steps.  In Yang style, at least, the t`a l^"u exercises emphasize 
the four diagonal techniques (shoulder stroke, elbow stroke, pull down, and
split), as opposed to the four cardinal techniques (wardoff, rollback, press,
and push) of pushing hands.  The t`a l^"u exercises teach offensive and
defensive footwork, as well as proper distancing.

>My teacher teaches Taiji, and for more advanced classes he teaches push hands,
>yes.  But for us, the next "practical" exercise he teaches is something he
>calls san shou.  In Chinese a word for word translation means "break hand"
>("break" as in "breaking out" or something).

[Anyone who actually knows Chinese may feel free to flame me at this point]

Actually, I've found that: 
 
s^an         sh^ou
 +-+   /     --+--
-+-+- /----  --+--
+---+  \ /   --+--
+---+   X      |
+---+  / \    _/
|   | /   \   

(literally, "unstructured hands" or, free sparring) is commonly used to 
refer to the fighting form, otherwise known as:

d`ui        sh^ou
----/  |    --+--
 \ / --+--  --+--
  X  \ |    --+--
 / \   |      |
/   |_/      _/

("opposing/bandying hands").  This is somewhat confusing to me, but I think
it may be to avoid phonetic confusion with:

t-ui      sh^ou
 |  / \
-+-/|-+-  --+--
 |  | |   --+--
 +- |-+-  --+--
/|  | |     |
 |  |-+-   _/
_/  |-+-

("pushing hands").  I'm open to any better ideas, though.



>and people put on 10lb gloves and basically box each

Well, that's certainly one way to build upper body strength :-).



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From: R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: questions
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:11:35 GMT

Several questions:
1) Has any film martial artist ever gotten there because of T'ai Chi?
 
2) Does anyone know of Savate instructors in Ohio?
 
                                --Timothy McCollum
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:28:02 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Robin Sowton writes:
>Yes, I think this is common. I've heard the same thing from a
>cop I know in Philly. We were talking about chokes one time and he
>said he was trained in only three standard chokes (vs. the eight I've
>learned in jujutsu).

>I'm not sure why more training isn't given.

Not so many years ago, two best friends and whitewater paddlers were
making the transition into really big nasty dangerous pushy rivers.
One paddled a kayak, the other a covered canoe.  The kayaker, was a
natural athelete, a martial artist, was very experienced around water and
seemed to learn faster.  He learned, five different rolls (how to bring 
the boat back up if it tips) he could even roll his boat with just his hands.
His buddy, the C1er only learned ONE roll and practised it over and over.

They were both doing fairly well, establishing a good reputation with
this crowd as solid paddlers at the class IV level.  Till one day, on
the Cheat, a major downpour upriver started to cause the already high
water in the canyon to rise quickly.  It became a nightmare paddle, 
there was no room for mistakes, no safe place to eddy up.  Both paddlers
were way over their heads and knew it.  The C1er, just laid down on
his brace on his strong roll side and took the last mile of the canyon
in that position.  The kayaker lost it, missed his roll, lost his boat
and paddle.  It took a nighmost superhuman effort on his buddies part
to recover his equipment and get him back in the boat. 

I was really lucky, just a chipped tooth and some nasty bruises from
all the rocks I bounced off of.  It took every ounce of nerve I had
to finish that trip.  I spent the next six weeks working on a basic
eskimo roll (from a tucked head position :-) 

Police need to count on a few techniques.  They don't get to train
enough as it is.  They have to rely on making the few techniques they
know dead solid.  What we as martial artists gain, by learning
more techniques, we lose by not being prepared to use them in a
really tough situation.

Just another opinion :-)
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