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From: daves@bluemoon.rn.com (David E. Scott)
Subject: Re: Info on Cleveland WW Clubs Needed
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 01:21:31 EDT

Christic Institute <christic@igc.apc.org> writes:
> Does anyone have contact names, phone numbers for paddling or
> whitewater clubs in Cleveland, Ohio?

I'd suggest contacting the nearest university in the physical education 
department or natural resources department for white water information.  
Another source is Ohio State University here in Columbus, OH (my son went 
on several trips as part of a class he took there).  If he were here at 
the moment, I could give you the details.  Another source of information 
would be Travel and Tourism, or call 1-800-BUCKEYE to find out about 
vacation sites here in Ohio from the state level.  You're not all that 
close to W.VA when you're in Cleveland: you could be as much as 2-2.5 
hours away.
Dave


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        and don't really know where they are...
From: whitaker@ganglion.cs.unc.edu (Ross Whitaker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: dry suit and winter gear
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:51:08 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <BuKL8r.8nv@well.sf.ca.us> sbranch@well.sf.ca.us (Kim Clancy) writes:
>
>I just started kayaking this summer and now am preparing for winter
>paddling.  I know I need to get a dry suit but wanted to get some feedback
>from folks before in vesting in one.  Is is better to get a 2 piece or
>a one piece suit, I heard the two piece suits leak.  What brand is good and
>what should I look for in buying one.  I have NO CLUE about any of this and
>would greatly apprciate any help at all.  Thanks
>Kim

I have a two-piece dry suit and it works pretty well.  Of all the people that 
know who own them, no one complains about the waist leaking.  The dry
suits collect far more moisture from condensation then from leaking.
The major disadvantage that I see to the two-piece dry suit is that you
have two more very big (expensive!) gasgets that you could possibly tear.
I know someone who tore a waist gasget, but I have been told that it is rare.
Evidently, wrist, ankle, and neck gaskets go much more frequently.  Of course,
the two piece suit has several advantages.  Besides the obvious ones, I like
the option of wearing only a dry top when I paddle (I do this often), while
wearing something more confortable on my legs.

I would recomend a two-piece suit.


	Ross
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Paddle length for C-1
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:14:35 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep9.143839.25919@auto-trol.com> chrbid@auto-trol.com (Chris Bidwell) writes:
>I am 5'10" and use a 55" paddle.  This is a
>bit long for my friends who use a 54" paddle (same height).  I like the
>increased reach and leverage of the extra inch or two.  The drawback is 
>that with a longer paddle, you may need to feather the blade to get it
>out of the water on your off-side.  I use a standard pedestal height of
>7" in my Gyromax and a painfully low 6" in my converted Corsica C-1. 
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Now *this* sounds interesting... I have enough trouble getting my
	Corsica moving with *two* blades...
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From: dan@eye.com (Dan Loewus)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: dry suit and winter gear
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:40:03 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <BuKL8r.8nv@well.sf.ca.us> sbranch@well.sf.ca.us (Kim Clancy) writes:
>
>from folks before in vesting in one.  Is is better to get a 2 piece or
>a one piece suit, I heard the two piece suits leak.  What brand is good and

I have a one piece suit for sea kayaking purpose, its aways worked great 
except for when nature calls.  I have always wondered about a two piece 
suite.  Since I kayak in all types of weather, I sometimes like to put on 
various thicknesses of insulation under the dry suit.  I was wondering if 
this is possible with a two piece suite or once you get it fitted to say 
only long underwear underneath then you can not use anything thicker under it.
On the otherhand if you fit it so something thick was under it then you'd have 
to wear thick layers underneath else it'd leak.  Anyone out there have 
experience with two pieces and different layering underneath?

-- 
"A typical half brick half wood New York house in a typical New York
 suburb with ginkgo trees scattered conservatively about."

 DL
From: peper@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mike Peper)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:16:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Wanted: small drybag w/ straps
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle

If you cannot find the right size to exactly contain your stuff, I 
would suggest bringing an inflatable pillow (I *need* my pillow #8^},
or even a simple beachball.  Either are very lightweight, and can
be inflated however much is needed to fill the space left in the bag
so it can be closed down snugly.  Also nice as you eat food and reduce 
the load size on the trip.

--Mike
From: sdh4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT DYLAN HARDING)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Gauley Fest Anyone?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:49:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Is anyone heading to the Gauley Fest this year.  I have found a ride to
    the Gauley Fest but have not found a ride back.  I need to return to
    Lehigh U. in Bethlehem, PA.  If anyone from NY or Philly (or anywhere else)
    is going and could give me a ride back to Bethlehem I'd greatly appreciate
    you contacting me over the network or by calling me at (215) 758-0883.
    Leave a message if I am not in.  This is the largest river festival in the
    country and is probably second in the world to Project RAFT.  That dates
    are Sept. 26-27 and camping is at the Nicholas County Veteran's Park in
    Summersville, WV  (somewhat near Charleston, WV)

                    Happy paddling,


                    Scott Harding
                    (215) 758-0883
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: bill@vicorp.com (Bill Arduser)
Subject: Ottawa river THIS weekend?
Keywords: Ottawa, Kayak, HELP 
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:03:11 GMT

    Would anyone in MA. like to do some kayaking on the Ottawa THIS weekend?
(9/11 - 9/13)  I am supposed to meet some folks up there. Unfortunately, all
of the people I was going to ride with have canceled out. I've been waiting
all summer to go up there, and now I am stuck! HELP!
-- 
Bill Arduser
 
VI Corporation,  47 Pleasant St,  Northampton,  MA. 01060,   (413)586-4144
Internet: bill@vicorp.com  uucp: uunet!vicorp.com!bill  fax: (413)586-3805
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:06:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.135527.19757@hemlock.cray.com>, ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep9.171212.11392@infonode.ingr.com>, scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> >      I recall having seen an ad/article about a battery isolator/switch that
|> >      senses the LOWEST-POWERED( amperage ) battery from a group of batteries
|> >      connected to it. The switch/isolator then redirects the alternator to
|> >      charge said battery. Pretty nice, eh?!
|> > 
|> >      Does anyone have info or a homemade schematic for such a device? 
|> >      Has anybody( besides me ) heard of this wonder-switch?
|> >      
|> 
|> The current (Fall & Winter) E&B Discount Marine catalog (event
|> #1AJ183) lists a Guest Automatic Battery Isolator, E&B stock 
|> #1000-5072 at a price of $34.99.  The text claims that it 
|> automatically directs the charge to the battery needing it most.  
|> E&B's phone # is 800/533-5007.  BTW, we've found E&B to be a very
|> reliable mail order outlet.
|> 
|> The reason I noted it is that my hubby & I are considering adding a
|> second battery to our boat.  So, we've been watching the "2 batteries"
|> thread pretty closely.
|> 
|> 
My only problem with this approach is that if one battery fails, the 
circuit will always attempt to charge the bad battery, and the one
you started on will not be recharged (and perhaps will also be 
discharging into the bad battery.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that manual battery isolation is a
good thing.

dK
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Plastic Gas Tank.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:57:37 GMT

stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield) writes:

>Stupid question for you folks out in net land....

> I just bought a plastic gas tank for my boat and noticed when I have it 
>stored and siting in the sun, the tank gets ALOT of air stuck in it and bloats
>the tank out to a big round pregnant tank. should I keep the air valve
>open while storing the boat or will the air affect the gas in any way?
>Is it dangerous to keep the air valve open??

I think the right answer here is not to leave it in the sun.  It'd probably
safer to leave the valve open since the pressure can dissipate slowly.  If it
lets go in one big wooosh it seems to that would present a real risk of 
explosion.  The drawback is that you will get more condensation if the
tank "breathes".

Try covering it, even with a peice of white cloth.  Might solve the problem.

regards,
gerard
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:30:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

Hi all,

Lat news flash -

	I just called Balmar to ask them about how well diodes work at sending
current to the lower voltage battery.  The reply I got is that when there is
a decent difference in voltage in the batteries it works nearly 100%.  You
might end up with a few amps going the "wrong" way but this would amount
to no more than a trickle charge for marine grade batteries.

	Balmar is a pretty reputable compnay and I believe what the guy told
me.  I'm still going to measure it myself.

later,
gerard
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Furling Jibs & Reefing Mains
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:27:40 GMT

I have received a number of replies to my earlier postings on these
two subjects, and they have influenced my decisions.

Harken units #164 and #165 look like the proper sized reefing units,
and are reasonably priced (and discounted at West Marine). This
combination is in the middle of their three models that use the luff
wire, and I've always liked harken equipment that used their Tufnol
bearings. Simply, their is a swivel unit at the top, and a furling
unit at the bottom of the luff. I'll be getting Mike at Peninsula
Canvas to make up the sail. 

Lauri the Finn had good advice about Single Line Jiffy Reefing --
don't use it. He's right. I split mine into two and straight away
the whole thing is much less of a strain to pull in, and there's
a real advantage in being able to seperately tension the luff and 
leech lines. It means that my first and second reefs now occupy
four lines going back to the cockpit, but what the hay, I've got
eight line stoppers. Also, i don't anticipate flying a spinnaker
this or next season, so I've lots of deck hardware available. Lets
see, 4 reef lines, 2 halyards, 3 sheets, 1 cunningham, 1 outhaul,
1 cinningham...wow, it adds up...

Oh yes. Someone mentioned reefing blocks from SailRite (?). These
replace the cringles and might have significantly less friction.
They are only $3.85, so I ordered a couple to look at. I'll let
you know how they work if I get to install them.

Gybe Ho!

Francis Muir
FELIX
Redwood City
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: rebuilding boat refridg. Question
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:00:45 GMT

dozier@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dan Dozier) writes:

>In rec.boats, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:

>>Sounds like it's propylene glycol.  I think it the basis for current
>>auto antifreeze since ethylene glycol was found to be too toxic.
>>There is an easy taste test.  PG is intensly sweet.  Don't chug a lug,
>>just a smidge on the fingertip.
>>
>Question....  I understand the taste test if it's propylene glycol,
>but what if it's ethylene gylcol (too toxic to use)?

That's why I (thought I) said just taste.  DO NOT SWALLOW!!!!!!
In any case ethylene glycol is pretty sweet also.  Its is toxic but
it will not hurt you if it's just a s tiny amount and
you spit/rinse it out.  Trust me on this, I'm living proof that
it can be done without too much brain damage.  Also, as far as I know
EG is not used widely in refridgeration.  

My comment about EG being too toxic refers to it's use as automotive antifreeze.
People were (are) just dumping their old coolant on the ground or down municipal
sewers.   As a result many states now prohibit it's use and I think the feds
are going in hte same direction.  Just another example of hte irresponsible 
screwing up a good deal for everybody else since EG is actually better antifreeze.

cheers,
gerard
From: turner@olympus.ctron.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Thundercraft
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:09:12 GMT
Reply-To: turner@olympus.ctron.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.
Originator: turner@olympus

Can anyone tell me if aThundercraft boat is a good boat.  I am looking
but have yet to decide.

Thank you in advance for your help.


-- 
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Voice: (603) 335-9400   E-mail Cabletron Support Internet - support@ctron.com
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: blow_____ (boats)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:32:15 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1365@niktow.canisius.edu> pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>
>  There are two parts to (premises in) your question.
>
>     Then, 2-3 miles away, a 100/120/50 (that's mph/decibels/i.q., respective-
>     ly) blow boat "opens up", making more noise than the combined 6th Fleet
>     want to HEAR your beautiful engines ROAR.  But you're wasting all those

You just made a real bona-fide butthead out of yourself.

I don't have inboard engines on my boat, I don't have thru-
transom exhausts, and I don't make much engine noise, and
I don't aim it out the back at others.

You see, Greg, I have outboards on my boat, and they have
thru the prop hub exhaust, which is UNDER the water. Nice
and quiet.

If you're so sensitive that you can't stand outboard noise,
then I suggest you go discover a new continent, and keep it
all to yourself.

>> You must be alot of fun to be around...
>> 
>  kid with solid values: he doesn't think much of blow boats either.  Remem-
>  bers making a lot of noise in kindergarten to attract attention.  Something
>  most of us outgrow by the time we're 10 or so..
>

Gary was referring to sailboats as "blow boats".

Again, refer to the above regarding making moise to attract
attention. I'm not looking for your attention, admiration,
respect, envy, pity, or even your comments. That's why I stay
away from other boats. I don't want to be the one people like
you use as your ill-founded example.

Again, your inference that all powerboaters are immature jack-
asses has been shot down like a balloon over the beachhead on
D-Day. The fact that you sling so much horses**t and inuendo
with every post does your cause no good.

-- Mike

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My opinion, not my employer's!
From: monter@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Monte Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Fish/Ski boat FORSALE
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:03:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: sail.12533
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

17' Bayliner
Closed bow
120hp Mercruiser I/O
18 pitch/21 pitch props
power tilt/trim
Canvas
Eagle Depth Finder (not fish finder)
New upholstery
Galvanized trailer

Older boat (1968) but in excellent shape and runs
like a new one!

$2995 obo or how about just $2500 firm.
-- 
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Tektronix Federal Systems, Inc.                  |  but idle chatter leads only to
PO Box 500, MS 50-370 Beaverton, Or  97077       |  poverty."     Prov. 14:23, NKJV
(503)627-6889, monter@sail.labs.TEK.COM          |
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Splices vs Bends
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:00:34 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.


 
Thanks for the diagram...now if I can only explain to my wife why her
sewing machine cords are tangled (Honey, they were they only rope like
objects within easy reach of the home computer.)
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrtrint@srv.PacBell.COM (John Trinterud)
Subject: Re: What's an appropriate boat for me?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.180101.4646@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.053255.4684@pixar.com> deering@pixar.com writes:
>>So, I've recently learned how to sail a Lido 14 (my club's
>>training boat), and am seriously hooked. Now I want my own boat:

>>*  I'd like to be able to take my wife and 2 small kids out in it
>>   occasionally (eventually), but I'd also like to be able to
>>There's a fair-sized reservoir a couple of miles away, and the
>>San Francisco Bay (where I learned to sail) isn't much farther.
>>
>
>Tom,
>
>My honest opinion: you cannot safely sail on SF Bay in the kind of
>boat you describe, especially with small kids. Please don't try
>it. The smallest boat that I would recommend is a Cal20. You can
>probably buy one for $1500, but, with a full keel, it won't be
>trailerable.
>
>Stefan

I'd agree - we spent five days sailing Cal20s' and J24s' out of
Olympic Circle in 20-30 knot winds (ie absolutely normal SF Bay
summer afternoon) and it got quite exciting more than once.

We even came up with a new nautical term one afternoon - our
instructor wanted a session of jybe drills in 30 knots of wind, in a
reefed Cal20. I happened to be on the tiller and said, quote,
"bullsh__" !! (he demonstrated a few, and then we all eventually did
take turns...)

I wouldn't want to add the responsibility of kids to the process
until I become *much* more accomplished sailor than I currently am..

The Lido 14 *does* sound appropriate for the reservoir, however,
with life jackets and careful instructions on what to expect, how to
behave, etc.

John T -


-- 
jrtrint@srv.PacBell.COM
John Trinterud
Pacific [*] Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:53:49 GMT

ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson) writes:

>The current (Fall & Winter) E&B Discount Marine catalog (event
>#1AJ183) lists a Guest Automatic Battery Isolator, E&B stock 
>#1000-5072 at a price of $34.99.  The text claims that it 
>automatically directs the charge to the battery needing it most.  
>E&B's phone # is 800/533-5007.  BTW, we've found E&B to be a very
>reliable mail order outlet.

>The reason I noted it is that my hubby & I are considering adding a
>second battery to our boat.  So, we've been watching the "2 batteries"
>thread pretty closely.

I'm sorry to break the bubble but I doubt this is all they claim.
At that price you'd be extremely lucky to get even a simple isolator
with decent diodes and heat sinking, never mind the power handling
electronics that could really do the job.

There are two things that need to happen:

1) The alternator needs to get it's voltage sense from the more discharged
battery.  Otherwise it simply won`t produce the high charge current you want.

2) The power has to go there without to much loss on the way.  This has to 
happen with very nearly 100% of the output going the right way, otherwise
you're gonna cook a battery.  If you get lousy diodes a *lot* of heat will
get dissipated by this device, at least if your spinning a big
alternator.

Part 1 requires the most hardware.  The claim is that simple diodes will 
do part 2 but until I verfy this with my own meter I'm pretty sceptical.
If it doesn't work really well your're going to get either low performance
or damaged batteries.

In any case, get a spec sheet before you spend the money.

regards,
gerard
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Splices vs Bends
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:16:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

A fine knot for attaching a line to a becket (e.g. a
mainsheet) is the buntline hitch.  It is stronger than a
bowline and will slide right to the becket, making it very
compact (no fixed loop like a bowline).  It's easy to tie,
similar to two half hitches, and it looks good too.
Unfortunately it's not shown in many books.  Brian Toss's
"Chapman's Book of Knots" (title approximate) is one that
has it, as does "Knowing the Ropes" by Henderson(?).  I believe that
palm-and-needle seizing is between a knot and a splice in
strength, and is also tidy and compact.  I'm going 
to seize my new traveller control lines this weekend.  

So much to learn about boats...

BILL COURINGTON

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