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From: kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane)
Subject: Re: Drive drive
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:56:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.121021.1787@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> In article <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu>
> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:
> >In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs
> >by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement.  Furthermore,
> >compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased,
> >so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep
> >paying back in the future.
> 
> Unquestionably better compression technologies are a wise
> investment.  They pay back not only for the servers, but for
> the user community as well, because most of us are anything
> but swimming in extra disk space.
>
> There are significant labor costs in this dimension too.
> F'rinstance, were I to update my MS-DOS archive, which is
> stored on 800 floppy disks, from ARC to ZIP, I'd be looking
> at the time it takes to do this on a 12 MHz AT clone,
> feeding the disks one at a time.  [...]

Another benefit of compression, not mentioned yet, is that it
could reap benefits _immediately_.  Even if the schools can accept
the gift of disk space, it may take quite a while for whatever
process needs to be gone through to complete, plus additional time
to install/setup the new drive.

Also, Jess's example, while I can sympathize with it, having once
converted a mere 50 full floppies to a new compression scheme, is
perhaps somewhat misleading.  Floppies need constant attention to
feed them, as he notes, but the hard drive does not.  A script
could easily be set up to travel through the archive, replacing
compressed files with their gzip'd counterparts.

An informal test that I ran earlier today indicates that a wholesale
conversion of the archives from compress to gzip may immediately
generate 80-110 MB of free space on the disk, taking perhaps one
CPU-day (a questionable unit of work, I admit).  Some of the data:
sonata.cc> du 1.0-release		; no compression
26488   1.0-release/source
30004   1.0-release/binaries
4835    1.0-release/demos
61330   1.0-release
sonata.cc> du 1.0-release		; compress (current)
9366    1.0-release/source
16388   1.0-release/binaries
2580    1.0-release/demos
28337   1.0-release
sonata.cc> du 1.0-release		; gzip -9
6373    1.0-release/source
12069   1.0-release/binaries
1978    1.0-release/demos
20423   1.0-release
[I chose the 1.0-release directory as a representative sample of
source and binary files.  Obviously, some other types of files, tiffs
for instance, will compress more or less than any "average" implied
here.]

Of course, actually getting someone to do this will probably being
like getting someone to pull their own tooth...

I don't mean to say that people should stop sending pledges to Jess. As
noted before, simple re-compression is a solution with a finite lifetime.

Christopher Kane
kane@sonata.cc.purdue.edu
From: tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: What Fortran compiler is available?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:17:27 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

	What Fortran 77 or 90 compiler is avaialbe on the NeXT and at
	what cost?  How much is the cheapest one?  (There's one listed
	in NXConnection's catalog at $800)

	Thanks.
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Questions about PasteUp
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:03:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1k5mlpINNq31
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line72.uoregon.edu

Hi,
I'm using a demo version of PasteUp, and I am having some problems.

1) how do you make a template (and how do you use it :)?
2) how do you insert a plain text/rtf document?
3) how do you get it to insert pages as you need new ones (prefferably using  
your template :)

So far I like PasteUp, but I get lost and I can't seem to figure out anything  
*sigh*.  I have to return to FrameMaker everytime I need something out fast...  
BTW, what's with the "you can't do that... RTFM at page x" message (gently  
paraphrased :)

--bjorn

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From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:43:27 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>> BTW, has anybody heard of the "new" GNU compressor 'gzip', I think it is

Actually, I just said rather a lot about it in this very thread (probably
didn't make it to your site yet).  You can replace uncompress, zcat, and
even compress if you like, with gzip to extend and/or improve the
behavior of Workspace and Installer.  gzip has been uploaded in binary
and source to sonata (using the old Unix compress, of course :-)).

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: Pixel Magician
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:15:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu>  
littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) writes:
>>
>>Somehow a demo copy of Pixel Magicican was loaded into our Nextstations 
>>and now Pixel Magician comes up as the print previewer on all our  
Nextstations.
>>How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer  
comes
>>up?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>bobel

Select any file with a .ps extension in the WorkSpace.  Press command-3.   
Select the application icon that you wish to be the default and click 'set  
default".

Happy happy happy!

--
Ronald Pomeroy		"The Internet is just a giant petri dish"
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: schulkow@tophat2 (Diane Schulkowski)
Subject: tape backup rentals
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:49:33 GMT


I would like to rent a large tape backup device, a SCSI 525M system for  
instance, but I haven't found any computer rental companies that rent  
them.

I don't want to buy one, because they are somewhere around $2K.  Also, I  
really just want to backup the applications, NeXTStep, etc. (not user  
data) on my drive.  The idea is that I backup the system now, and if I  
lose everything on my hard drive, I can recover with another rental.

It seems to me that there may be a market for this.  I wonder just how  
many people would be interested in renting a unit like this for, say $70 a  
day.  Probably two people could split this cost and each backup their  
systems in one day.  At this rate, it would take around 30 rentals to  
recover the full amount of the backup device.

Send me some email if you think this is a good idea, and also if you might  
be interested in renting one as well (Chicago area only).

Diane
schulkow@rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu  (Avery Wang)
Subject: Re: Music Kit location : other things ...
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:55:17 GMT

In article <1k3r3fINN7rm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C  
Belog) writes:
> 	Now, next question ... where is the music kit?  I tried
> 	ccrma.stanford.edu ... but it doesn't take anonymous 
> 	users.

Try ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu
-Avery
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From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Using CD-ROM on NeXT over NFS from PC
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:25:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan26.192545.26912
Organization: Washington State University


I have a CD-ROM drive attached to my NeXT Station.  I am using FTP  
Software's PC/TCP and I have IDRIVE installed, version 1.05.  I can export  
the CD-ROM directory, and then using the IDMNT command from the PC can  
mount the directory as a drive on the PC.  I can then switch to that drive  
from the PC, and can change directories, and can get a DIR of the files on  
the CD-ROM from the PC.  Problem is when I go to COPY any files, it dies.   
It just sits there.  The only time I ever did get a message it said  
something about an 'Invalid Function' and pointed to the .BAT file I was  
trying to copy from the CD-ROM.  Anyone have any ideas?  I have tried  
making it ReadOnly and also ReadWrite from the export end of things.   
Could it be the block size it is trying to use for disk reads/writes?

Anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated........


**************************************************************************
* John Burke                                                             *
* jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu                                           *  
* jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu                                              * 
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From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Drive drive
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:35:11
Organization: Is a sign of weakness
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.gac.edu
In-reply-to: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu>
	anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server
>space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional
>drives for sonata and orst.  I've volunteered to collect pledges
>and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of
>the idea.  I'll do that at the beginning of next week.  Five people
>pledged money in the first hour, six counting me.  The amounts so
>far are like $10-$20 for each server site.
>
>Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other
>useful suggestions too.

I would be willing to toss in a couple bucks.  My problem, though,
is that I am not certain if I wish to donate money for disk space.
It seems to me that the major problem at Purdue is _not_ diskspace,
it is management.  I've talked to Allen (the student manager)
before, and he's a great guy, but I suspect he's been a bit busy,
lately.  Cleaning up the submissions directory would probably free
up a number of meg right off the bat.

Furthermore, one poster on the net has put forth the opinion that
they think that using a better compression algorithm isn't the way
to go, so rather than waste everyone's time, buy more disk space.
Well, yes and no.  I have no doubt that even if we purchase a gig
or two of disk space, it will soon be gone in _any_ case.  I have
a feeling that most system administrators would back me up on that
point!  In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs
by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement.  Furthermore,
compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased,
so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep
paying back in the future.

So, in my view it comes down to three things, management, disk
space, and compression.  Compression is actually contained within
management, and so, to a certain extent, is disk space.  Just
throwing hardware at the problem is not going to solve it.  Of
these, I think that if we put forth the bucks to help defray
management costs, we'll get the best return on our dollar.

Later,
---
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Command features
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:54:50 GMT
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

Yesterday I was trying out some commandkey combinations and ran
into one that I did not know it existed and had actually been missing
already for quite a while.
Command-<up> and command-<down> will cycle through the window list.
I do not remember seeing any documentation about this.
Does there exist a list of all command-<goodies>?

Jos Vermaseren
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Drive drive
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT


Note_1: Followups directed to comp.sys.next.misc, to keep
subsequent discussion in one place.  Sorry for the massive
cross-posting, wanted to reach the maximum readership.

Note_2: An earlier posting about this already appeared in
comp.sys.next.misc.  This is a restatement and expansion of
that.

Background: Several people have suggested solving the
archive server space crunch by asking users to kick in money
to purchase additional drives for sonata and orst.  I've
volunteered to collect pledges and to contact Purdue and
Oregon State to see what they think of the idea.  I'll do
that at the beginning of next week.  Five people pledged
money in the first hour, six counting me.  The amounts so
far are like $10-$20 for each server site.

Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making
other useful suggestions too.

I'll also be contacting vendors to see if they can make us a
special deal, if things develop to the point when it looks
like it might work.

I'm not collecting money (not yet, anyway), so don't send
any.  If you're interested in this, just send me email
(rather than posting, I might miss it) with the amount of
your pledge.  If you're a developer who has or intends to
have your software on these servers, please indicate your
product names as well.

Although this seems to be an idea whose time has come,
please be aware that the universities involved might not be
as enthusiastic about it as we are.  There are always
bureaucracies, policy implications, and hidden costs to be
involved in such enterprises, as well I know, having worked
at universities for 40 years.

But don't let those things stop you from offering.  One
thing: please don't make a pledge unless you mean it.  In
the interest of not getting myself overloaded, I will send
you a simple ACK to say I got your message.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:55:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.190819.7151@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
>
>Should NeXT continue to make hardware?
>
>Not sure.  But consider this:
>
>Would PostScript have been as successful if Adobe had stuck to the
>original plan and made printers?

Didn't Apple own part of Adobe back then. In any case it's not as though
there was an alternative to Postscript printers.
 
Note that as soon as there was (PCL, True Type now) most printer sales went
to non Postscript printers.
 
In the true tradition of Apple and others, Adobe overcharged for owning 
a Postscript printer. Were it not for True Type and PCL they would still
be.
 
It's essential that NeXT continue to make hardware. I also find it somewhat 
disappointing that Adobe has given minimal support to the one platform that
went out on a limb with a complete Postscript based imaging model, but then
what else could one expect from Adobe? Even Windows is getting more attention.

Just an opinion, but I really wonder whether Adobe is in any moral position
to comment on these matters. It is a publically owned company that goes where
the market is. Fortunately it doesn't have a monopoly on the way we see things.
>
>It is extremely difficult to license OEMs for software.  If they
>think you're competing with them, it's darn near impossible.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities)
Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:50:57 GMT

In article <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> shin@sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp (Sugou Shinichirou) writes:
>In article <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) writes:
>
>   Path: sgtp!lkbreth!wnoc-tyo-news!nec-tyo!nec-gw!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!news
>   From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
>   Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
>   Date: 20 Jan 93 07:21:22 JST
>   Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System)
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>
>
>        I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear 
>   what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with 
>   either modem.  Which do people 'in the know' recommend?  Any horror 
>   stories?
>
>It is clear that ZyXEL is much much better than any other modems
>(including Supra) if you use NXFax driver.
>--
>Shin'ichirou Sugou     (NeXTmail acceptable)
>
>
>				   
That may not be true.

I have ordered an eval copy of DFax from Dale Pratt. DFax is the NXFax
equivalent for Supra.

If DFax for Supra works as well as NXFax for ZyXEL, then a Supra is
equivalent to a ZyXEL for faxing, blowing whistles, etc.--at half the price.

-- 
Yan Fang-Magnusson
Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah
yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello)
Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (gzip + more GB)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:56:31 GMT

The gzip idea sounds like a cleaner solution than introducing an entire  
new application like Squash.

I have no problem contributing $20 for a new public domain drive, but  
should I contribute to all public domain sites (eg: sonata, cs, nova)?

Or are we really talking about "retiring" the other sites to "backup  
status" and making sonata the "official" Next archive. From my point of  
view it WOULD be nice to know that all Next public domain stuff exists in  
at least one "official" place. The other sites could be "backups" of  
important or frequently used items I guess.

Assuming the answer to the above is yes, I suggest someone volunteer to  
keep a list of people willing to send in money to sonata (say $20). When  
the total reaches $2000, everyone is asked to send in their checks ASAP.  
(Waiting like that prevents people from sending their money to a doomed  
enterprise.)

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Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology
Stanford University
gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: hayward@biblio.ucs.sfu.ca (Michael Hayward)
Subject: Mail.app and NewsGrazer: can a default Reply-To: header be added?
Keywords: Mail.app NewsGrazer
Reply-To: hayward@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:28:07 GMT

It seems as if the following should be do-able, but I have been unable to  
discover *how*...

I want all outgoing message to contain a Reply-To: header field with a  
reply address other than the From: address which is added by default. Does  
anyone know of a way to do this?

I don't want to set up a .forward file though, because I still want to be  
able to receive mail sent *explicitly* to me on the NeXT.

I only recently discovered that there is a way to do this in Mail.app on  
*individual* outgoing messages - under the Tools menu, Options, a  
Reply-To: header can be added to that message. But I'm hoping that there  
is a way to make it happen automagically, to *all* outgoing mail.

It would be nice to be able to do this from NewsGrazer too - and maybe it  
is, although I haven't yet stumbled upon the means - to have any Email  
followups to a NewsGrazer posting always come to an Email address other  
than the default From: field. Any tips on this are welcome too...

..Michael Hayward	hayward@sfu.ca

P.S: I'm running NS 2.1 by the way...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fender@netcom.com (James S. Nemerovski)
Subject: HSD Scan -x 1600 for sale
Summary: Scan-X 1600 HSD for sale
Keywords: Traditional
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:39:24 GMT

Used unit for sale to best offer.
fender@netcom.com or (415) 387-8185
Jim Nemerovski
From: trung@cs.bu.edu (Trung Dung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: how to ftp a whole directory?
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:35:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: trung@cs

Hi,

Could you please tell me how to ftp a directory? In particular, I'm interested 
in getting the SimonSays stuff from sonata.

I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate group for this :-)

Trung.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:30:41 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
> How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain
> extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default
> launch app?  It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the
> Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice?  Dragging
> an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... 

I havent tried this - but it may work.

You could edit the iconheader file of the relevant app, 
using otool or SegHoarker if necessary to extract/replace it.
(is that still necessary in 3.0?)
you could write one of those new fangled 3.0 filter services to
do any necessary conversion.

FileViewer seems to treat executable files differently - letting you use
Edit or Terminal as the default tool.  I'ld prefer Stuart, but since the choice
is not driven by the file extension - the above trick wont work.

This is where using file extensions as types starts to break down.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: What are all these <mach-task> processes?
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:06:45 GMT

On my new ADB mono turbo station (running 3.0), I see all these
<mach-task> processes.  More seem to appear as time goes by.  I never
noticed anything like this on my old 2.1 system.

"ps aux" returns lots and lots of lines like this:

USER       PID  %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT  TIME COMMAND
root        -1   0.0  0.0    0K    0K ?    N   0:00 <mach-task>
root        -1   0.0  0.0    0K    0K ?    N   0:00 <mach-task>
root        -1   0.0  0.0    0K    0K ?    N   0:00 <mach-task>

Is there a problem?  They're apparently not using resources, but
they sure clutter up "ps" output, which is annoying.  Is there anything
that can be done to get rid of these?

Thanks,

-Patrick Robinson
 Extension Information Systems, Virginia Tech
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
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