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Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 12:34:49 -0400 
From: Afizal Mustapa <am4z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
	<gechbwm00WBL49SFs8@andrew.cmu.edu>


Zulkafli M. Idris wrote:

>>   TANGGAL LIMA PULUH TUJUH BULAN LAPAN LIMA PULUH TUJUH

Hmm... I never knew that there's a 57th day in August 1957. Or is it
just me who is ignorant??

Anyway... at least it's something different from the usual posting. In
short (although I know that it's late) ....

                   SELAMAT HARI KEBANGSAAN, MALAYSIA!


Afizal Mustapa,
Carnegie Mellon University,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sci10019@nusunix3.nus.sg (YU HONG WEY)
Subject: Singaporean by-elections
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:18:49 GMT

 How come I don't know anything about it?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cmartin@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Canadian applicants sought for Indonesia
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:01:44 GMT

	Faculty and student applicants are now being sought for the annual
World University Service of Canada (WUSC) International Seminar.  Every year
30 students and 3 faculty from across Canada travel to a different developing
nation.  The seminar will take place in Indonesia next June/July
for 5-6 weeks, the language of operation will be English.

	Students work on a small research project, have brief "home stays"
with local families, attend conferences, and travel throughout the country.
The goal is to introduce students with no prior experience in development
to a developing nation.  Students must be full time students at a post-
secondary institution in Canada and be either Canadian citizens or 
landed immigrants.

	The faculty advisors must have a demonstrated understanding of 
development issues, assist the coordinator in planning and implementing
the programme and provide leadership and academic guidance to the student
participants.  If you know of any colleagues who might fit the bill, please
pass this posting onto them.  Experience specific to Indonesia would 
be a great asset.

	For more information on how to apply contact:

			WUSC
		Constituency Services
		PO Box 3000, Stn C
		Ottawa, Ontario
		K1Y 4M8
		(613) 798-7477 / 798-0832
		1-800-267-8699
		Fax: (613) 798-0990

Chris Martin
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, Newfoundland
Canada 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Do not overgeneralize
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:39:11 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Aug27141553@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>, kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:

> Perhaps it is due to the literal translation.  In Mandarin or Cantonese, there
> is no difference in wording between the phrases "China Man" and "Chinese Man."

I think there IS a difference.  "China Man" when literally translated is
"ZHONG GUO REN" (Mandarin) / "ZHONG GOK YAN" (Cantonese), while "Chinese Man"
is "HUA REN" / "WAH YEN".

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From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:26:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Singaporean by-elections
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

This was reported in the local newspaper because that was the promise Goh
made after the last election.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: G.E.Song: The Impersonate "Chinese"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:58:45 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA


First, s/he said chinese tend to misbehave...
Then s/he said, "...the only thing that could straighten chinamen 
is their hair..."
Out of blue, s/he said he is quite proud of chinese-cu culture,
to paraphrase what s/he quoted, "Please don't berate chinese 
culture. I am quite proud of it."

See the inconsistency? Amidst this confusion, I decided to
investigate who the hell this bonehead is. So, I

1) finger'ed his/her account, but in vain;
2) emailed him/her, but the mail got bounced back;
3) emailed postmaster at net.com, but was told it was
   an invalid userid;
4) called up Network Equipment Technologies, but
   was told by the receiptionist that there was no one
   at NET by the name of G.E.Song;

So, to tripple-checked I asked the receiptionist to
put me thru Human Resources. And, Halelujjah, her/his
name wasn't in record!!!

Need I elaborate more from here?

Btw "G.E.Song", you could have hurt Chinese-cu feelings, but
you certainly can't destroy Chinese-{cu,ge,ci,fe?}. 
Right, Dwight? 

And lastly, can someone from Stanford please tell me if
there is any Indian Singaporean studying at Stanford? Isn't
it a while back ago someone from Stanford with Tamil name
signed his/her article with Chinese lastname, "Yap". Can Dr.
Jayasooriah (sp?) from NUS verify this? After all, it's Dr.
Jaya who questioned this inconsistency.

Ok, it's time to go fly my DHL FlyingVan.

-looi

p/s As usual, the above opinions are solely mine, NOT my employer.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:04:59 GMT

eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:

> 
> Hey, we are a market economy, the government don't really have all the
> data about the job market. I think a good gauge of market conditions is
> to keep track of the number of appointment ads on Sat in the Straits
> Times. Currently, there is still quite a number of jobs available.
> 	As to Singapore becoming a melting pot, well, there is presently
> conscious effort to ensure that the major communitites in Singapore keep
> their own ethnic identities. I don't think Singapore will become a
> melting pot in the near future, at least the government don't want it
> that way.

I disagree that the APPOINTMENTS ads on Sat in the Straits Times serves 
as a gauge of the current job market, If one reads it with more scrutiny, 
one will find that 75 - 80% of the jobs advertised are for middle to 
senior management positions! While there does not exist a job meter, 
maybe asking one's friends who are fresh graduates would yield a more 
accurate picture. I had a friend who recently applied for a cadet officer 
position in one of the Big 4 Banks, and she found out that 1300+ 
applications were received by fresh graduates.

Let us all try and be a little more discerning.

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-c
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 3388@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
>u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia):
>>
>> Chinese values which puts 'sons' ahead of 'daughters' is sexist,
>> and indirectly responsible for the infanticide but hardly unique.
>> Western cultural values (specifically British values) also place
>> the emphasis on male children, especially because of primogeniture
>> (inheiritance through the eldest male).
>
>
>(L)ady telling a (G)entleman in superfluous detail of the manifold 
>achievements of her son.
>
>	G:	And is this admirable young man your only son?
>
>	L:	Oh no!  I also have a daughter.
>
>She who sees no wrong with the above remark is a sexist.  It reflects
>the manner in which outmoded traditions of thought interfere with an
>understanding of the Universe as it is.
>
>
>Explanation:
>
>  In almost all pre-industrial societies, male infants were much more
>  valuable than female infants.  Baby boys would grow into men and
>  therefore presented, in potential, desperately needed help at the
>  farm or in the army.  Baby girls merely grew into women who had to
>  be married off at great expense.  Consequently, there was a great
>  tendency to ignore daughters and to equate "child" with "son."
>
>  This attitude lingers, even now, even though the owner of such an
>  attitude may be unaware of it and would deny its existence heatedly
>  if accused of harboring it.  So when the reader read the phrase
>  "your only son" she honestly recognised no difference between that
>  and "your only child."
>
>And you, my dear reader, thought you were a liberated - dare I say
>it - man.  Hah!
>
>
>-Num


I can accept your comment that MANY people may think in
the way you describe, but EVERYONE ! I think not.
Even if the majority of people think about offspring
that way, you would still be guilty of offending a
great many people by stating that "Everybody" is
sexist.
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:55:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The publication Kompas (Indonesia) reports that the Indonesian
government is contemplating buying SCUD missiles. Given the relatively
short range (less than 1000 miles) what forces would they be used
against?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.232000.3426@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann):
>>
>> lao jiao ==> lan jiao ==> "blue bird"
>> it is not blue bird, though it is a "bird" of some sort.
> 
> Enough!  It's "human bird" (in Hokkien).  Try saying "lan(3) jiao(4)"
> (prick) and then "lan(2) jiao(4)" (human bird).  Would you agree that
> it's easier to say the former than latter?  Would you also agree that
> swearing with "lan(3) jiao(4)" is more effective than "lan(2) jiao(4)"
> because the former can be stressed with a falling and followed quickly
> by an explosive rising inflexion?  There you have it.  Case closed.
> 
> Of course, this is only my conjecture.
> 
> Now, can we move on to its Yin equivalent?
> 
> 
> -Num
Could somebody in netland PURLEESE tell me what those digits in
brackets mean????? Um, I dont EXACTLY speak mandrin (o.k I don't
speak mandrin at all) som make the explanations simple huh.
As we say here in Oz,  KISS (Keep it Simple, Stupid).

>-)  B-) 8-)

Ian
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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Cruise ship sinks
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:58:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

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disclaimer:reprinted w/out permission, Atlanta Journal & Constitution,
Sunday, 8/23/92.
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	2 die, dozens missing as cruise ship sinks

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - A cruise ship sank today about two hours after
colliding with a fishing trawler, killing at least two people and leaving
dozens missing, officials said.

Reports on the number of missing ranged from 30 to more than 100.  There
were conflicting figures on the number of passengers and crew members aboard,
maritime officials said.

The japanese ship Marissa, carrying 193 survivors, including the captain
was headed towards Singapore and scheduled to arrive later today.

Malaysian marine officials said about 480 people were rescued from among
600 people on the Greek-managed Royal Pacific in the Straits of Malacca,
a busy shipping area off southern Malaysia.  But the Greek Merchant Marine
Ministry in Athens reported that 534 people were aboard the ship and that
at least 504 people were rescued.

In London, Bill Smith of Llyod's Shipping Intelligence said that the 
13,176 ton ship reported that it had 380 passengers and a crew of 220
when it left Singapore on Saturday for a two-day cruise along the
Malaysian coast.

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From: echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:58:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug26.183935.27623@nuscc.nus.sg> limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong) writes:
>echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
>: 
>: In the UK, you can get away with receiving a PhD without ever having to
>: take a single course beyond the undergraduate level (in some places at
>: least), whereas in the US every MS/PhD student takes several graduate
>: courses before getting their degrees (many places have strict course
>: requirements).
>: 
>
>incorrect. in usa univs, you are required to have a certain 
>number of credits before getting the phd degree. but you
>do not need to attend any courses to earn those credits.
>it is sufficient to take research credits where you basically
>do your own work/research.

Well, perhaps you are right, technically speaking (although many
schools, like Purdue, do indeed have strict course requirements). I
have never met anyone who received a higher degree in the USA and
never took a single graduate course (perhaps there are a few such
people).

>: Virtually all PhD programs in the US require students to pass a
>: "qualifying exam". This is a comprehensive exam on the student's area
>: of specialization, typically at an advanced level. Preparation for
>: this exam is usually much more intensive than any undergraduate exam.
>
>i really don't think a british univ needs this thing (at least
>for computing science). i think someone with a 2nd upper honours 
>in computing from uk can quite comfortably pass a typical qualifier. 
>
>                         -Limsoon Wong.

Not without taking the right courses, though. Also it really depends
on which school we are talking about. It varies greatly from school to
school.

--------
Ed Chong
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:11:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

xu@prim.rose.utoronto.ca (Jiefeng Xu) wrote: 
->I had a trip with NW last year from Hong Kong to Toronto via stop at Toyko
->and Detroit. I would like to say that the first part of the trip is 
->wonderful (Most attendants are Hong Kong girls ). 

sounds like you are reacting more to the "hong kong girls" and less to
the service (and potential safety, should an in-flight emergency
happen).

->... By the way, the price of my trip was
->surprisingly low, for one trip from Hong Kong to Toronto, it only costed about
->US$450.

you get what you pay for sometimes ...

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From: khoo@crayon.icsl.ucla.edu (Mr. Cool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:20:39 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong) writes:
>
>: However I should say the courses are sort of a prerequisite
>: to getting a PhD.  In most of the places that I know of
>: original work is require.
>
>A counter example to what you stated above is the CIS dept. at UPenn,
>which waives such requirement for some excellent candidates.
>Also I think some schools will waive the course requirement too,
>so long as the candicate demonstrated the required capabilities,
>for example, by passing the qualifiers.
> 
>                         -Limsoon Wong.

Yeah sure, all you know is a few exceptional cases and 
you go on declaring to the whole world that that is a general fact.
Hey! Contrary to popular belief, you win in U.S's casinos,
'cos I know of people who did. Wanna try?

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: ***** London Business School ***** Pick this up
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:28:01 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <Btwz0r.JF7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu ((__)) writes:
> Hi, trying to find address for LBS in Internet and Bitnet
> without successs.  Could someone tell me the full name
> of the school and whether they are on internet or any
> net for that matter.
> 
> good day friends

The email address for London Business School is
  
                JANET :  UK.AC.LON.LBS
    Rest of the World :  LBS.LON.AC.UK  (I think)

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From: MANUMV18@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Always on the run...)
Subject: Re: Shoping in Singapore
Organization: University of Konstanz, Germany
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:43:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.144516.4366@bmers95.bnr.ca>
khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.040310.9823@massey.ac.nz>, A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir writes:
>|> Hi!
>|> Can anybody provide me the time for shoping in Singapore. I mean what time
>|> usually shops open and close?.
>|> Thanks
>|> Altaf
>
>Most shops (in shopping areas) open between 10am-11am and close between 9pm-10p.
>Saturday hours tend to be longer, e.g. many closes at 11pm.
>
>Hope this helps.
>--
>....Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
>
Most shops (in the main shopping areas) open between 10am-11am and close
between 9pm-10pm.  These hours are almost valid throughout the year (inclusive
Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays).  Only 1 day in the year, do most of
the shops have close.  That is the first day of Chinese News Year.  One more
small piece of information, some of the big departmental stores do close
4 hours earlier on Christmas Eve.

..pebles
From: s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chew Ming Ean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: What Happened To OUR MALAYSIAN PRINCE story?????
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:37:38 GMT

I'm pretty curious to what happened to this great debate which was
happening a few weeks/months ago??

What is the situation like now?

I mean the possesion of the children?
Where are the children now?

Just curious :)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: THE WORLD
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.004121.12224@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
>Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:41:21 GMT

>In article <ges.31.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.043717.24986@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>>>Who defines 'bad language' anyway? Who's to say it ain't right. I'm sure
>>>even Henry Higgins would have no objection to Singlish as a varient of 
>>>English. Afterall, getting people to say Toe-may-to instead of Toe-mar-to
>>>(or was it the other way round) is like debating over whether eggs should
>>>be cracked from the big ends or the small ends.
>>
>>>Edmund
>> 

>>I would consider something as bad language if people 
>>have to make unreasonable assumptions in trying to understand


>Probably the people in that locality do not
>have any  problem  understanding what's said.
>Furthermore I am sure that's not what is 
>used in written form. Definitely their laws
>are not written in Singlish. 

>>what is being said. I think I may have objections to Henry Higgins
>>if that's the way he speaks.

>Perhaps you don't know who is Higgins do you?  There is a very 
>good probablity that he will object to Singlish 8) despite
>what Edmund say 8).

I am afraid I don't

>Me Han Mann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: spleong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Leong Siew-Peng)
Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:51:35 GMT

laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam) writes:
: Yo Malaysians out there!
: 
: Today is 31st August 1992 ie our 35th anniversary of Malaysia' Merdeka 
: Day ... so I'd like to wish all Malaysians (wherever you are)
: 
: 	S E L A M A T     H A R I     M E R D E K A  !!!
: 
: Elsie.




spleong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au > Saya ingin mengucap semua rakyat Malaysia
					"SELAMAT HARI MERDEKA"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: edward@iti.gov.sg (Edward Lim)
Subject: Soccer #29: Semi-Pro League Div II: Kedah creates history
Originator: edward@hades.iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:05:54 GMT


Top-table Kedah creates history
-------------------------------

Kedah created M'sian soccer history when it drew 2-2 with Kelantan at Kota
Baru on Sunday night to become the first team to complete the League
undefeated.  Kedah, which had already clinched the Div II title, took the
field without several regulars.  The draw saw Kelantan finishing third. It
will now play the eighth-placed team in Div I in a relegation-promotion
playoff.

In another match, Div II runner-up Penang blasted Police 5-1 at home.

Final Standings
---------------
                 P   W   D   L    F    A   Pts
Kedah           14  11   3   0   33    8   25
Penang          14   8   4   2   29   13   20
Kelantan        14   5   4   5   26   17   14
Police          14   5   3   6   22   24   13
Perlis          14   4   4   6   16   19   12
MAF             14   2   6   6   13   25   10
Brunei          14   3   4   7   15   32   10
Malacca         14   2   4   8   13   29    8

Postscript
----------

This will probably be my last posting as I'm going back to school.  School's
overseas which means that I, like you, will have to rely on folks here for
local soccer news.  I have advised one of my colleagues at ITI to keep us
posted.  Watch out for it!




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