From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: jewish fundamentalism
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:11:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.1777.21545@channel1> "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com> writes:
>To: Alan Stein

>>>    As stated in HAMAS pamphlet no. 65, distributed in October of
>>>    1990,
>>>
>>>           "Every Jewish settler is an occupier,
>>>            and it is our obligation to kill him."

>Compare the rhetoric of Hamas with that of Meir Kahane, as
>reported by Robert Friedman in The False Prophet: Rabbi Meir Kahane: 

[...]

>     Then they will
>     come to me, bow to me, lick my feet, and I will be merciful
>     and will allow them to leave.  Whoever does not leave will
>     be slaughtered."
>
>The rhetoric of Kahane was at least as murderous and inflammatory
>as that of Hamas. 

You have been trying to say that Kahane, all by himself, was WORSE than
the Islamic Fundamentalists, of whom there are many.  You fail to
recognize, apparently deliberately, that the Muslim Fanatics see a
Holy, Moral and Never-Ending Obligation to kill Jews while Kahane
would have been quite happy to just be left alone by these crazy
Fundamentalists.  As bad as Kahane might have been, clearly the Hamas
and their bedfellows throughout the Middle East were vastly much more
disgusting that Kahane ever might have been.  What's more, they are
still around in force and are growing.

>Jewish fundamentalists have triggered an Islamic
>fundamentalist backlash.

Riiiight.  The Ayatollah took Iran from the Shah because of Jewish
Fundamentalists.  This is on par with the Mossad fantasies.

>By all means complain about Hamas.

No, YOU do it.  All you've done is try to deceptively portray Israel
as some kind of Nazi-like state disrupting a region of happiness when
the reality is that the Middle East is a cauldron of hatred and murder
which the Israelis are unfortunate enough to have to try to survive
in.  Why don't YOU complain about Hamas?

>Jewish fundamentalism is as fully ugly
>and dangerous as Islamic fundamentalism.

You repetition of unconvincing statements isn't getting you anywhere. 

>Btw, can you you clarify something for me? Why do emotional
>Israeli supporters around here repeatedly try to pass of as
>factual statements remarks that can easily be refuted from
>well-documented sources? How many times do they have to be burned
>before they realize that the best path is to stick to the truth?
>Every time they are caught out in misstatements and falsehoods,
>their credibility sinks yet another notch lower. At this point
>the Israeli lobby has virtually no credibility in Western
>democratic circles with an IQ above room temperature, precisely
>because it has been caught in telling so many lies.

Not a single sentence in this paragraph of yours squares with reality.

>If you think all this hurling of verbal violence back and forth
>between Jews and Arabs is making a favorable impression on the
>average American, think again. Stop to consider how appealing you
>find the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern
>Ireland, or between Hindu and Muslim fundamentalists in India,
>and I think you'll begin to get the picture.

Perhaps this is why the Arabs persist in it.  They want to split
Israel from it's supporters in the USA.  This is the same tactic that
they have used in keeping alive the so-called Palestinean refugee
problem for so many decades.  Human suffering means nothing to these
"leaders".  There is more than enough land in the M.E. and the oil
profits from a single day's pumping could make the Palestineans quite
well off.

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Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
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