From: endevour@wam.umd.edu (.)
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:50:29 GMT

In article <sehari.716254290@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <1992Sep10.190813.11703@wam.umd.edu> endevour@wam.umd.edu (...) writes:
>
>>In article <babak.715478027@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>>
>>>Afghan, means load scream from pain or sorrow.  Afghanistan was part of 
>>>origional Iran, which was forced out of Iran by England around 100 or so years
>>>ago.
>
>>If you want to make such a far fetched claim as Afghanistan being a part of
>>Iran, then pleasee give reliable refrences. It is the third time that you 
>>make such a claim with the arrogance that has become intolerable. We, the  
>>Afghans, too have some lunatics in our country who would claim that Iran and 
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
>>India is part of Afghanistan. Of course it is none but utter nonsense. 
>
>First. I do not know if you are a real Afghani.  Your name dose not sound
>Persian to me.

Now now Mr.Sehari by what stroke of genius did you come up with my name. It
must be the same that prompts you to make all these false claims about my 
country's origin. By the way my name can be a Dari word ( not persian ) or
it may be Pushto which is like Chinese to our "cultural twin" i.e the 
Iranians. Or yet my name can be Uzbaki or Tajiki or Turki etc.       

But again I never signe my name in the net so you must be refering to my
login ID. Well login ID is not one's name. Now if you pass judgements so 
quickly with out INVESTIGATION then it kind of gets hard to swallow your
opinions  about some more serious issues. Get my drift.  


>  Second, there are a lot of literature out there supporting
>the fact that Afghanistan was an Ostan of Iran.  The ending Ostan is another
>evidence to this fact.

Well your refrence seems rather shaky. " There is a lot of literature out
there" says Mr.Sehari.  Out where ? well down here there is no such 
literature so while your evidence in out there and we are down here it 
seems to me that some where we have a little problem. :-) By any remote
chance any of that literature was written by Mullah Nasrudin. 


> Third, I should tell you that people in Afghanistan
>who believe Iran, Afghanistan, and part of north India are one country are
>*not* totally wrong.  There are historical and cultural grounds for this
>idea.  Like East Germany and West Germany, north Korea and south Korea,
>China and Taiwan.  There was no invasion that have made these current
>countries united in the past. Rather, it really is a cultural drive for
>unity in these countries.

Agreed that at one or another time Iran, Afghanistan and northern India
was part of a greater empire such as the one by Ahmad Shah Abdally (Durrani)
Mahmood Ghaznawi etc etc.

As for your cultural drive hypotesis I really 
feel convinced when I see the Sindhi and Punjabi and Baluchi and Pashtoon 
struggle in Pakistan. There is the cultural drive for unity. What an 
argument Mr.Babak. 


>
>Nevertheless, many people in current Iran reject the idea of unity with 
>Afghanistan.  The reason is many fold. One of the most important factors
>for their rejection of this unification is economical.  That is if we
>would unify these countries tomorrow, there is a large amount of the iranian
>Oil money should go to help to reconstruct Afghanistan, which this means
>cut backs from other regions of current Iran. 

Come to think of it since you can easily prove to me that Afghanistan is 
part of Iran then I as a representative of Eastern Iran demand our share of 
the oil money. Now you better give us our share or I will call Uncle Sadam
to teach you another lesson.ok 



>second, as you know there
>is a great unrest in Afghanistan. Joining with the current Iran means
>huge task of bring the peace to Afghanistan would fall in our hand.  Then,
>Afghanistan dose not have any strategic importance for current Iran, it
>would be just a big problem of cleaning the current mess in Afghanistan.
>

Well Chairman Babak I must hand it in to you. You came so close yet you 
missed the point. The  reason we are in such a messy state in Afghanistan
is becuase we could not stand to see our "cultural twin" destroy itself 
alone. When revolution came to Iran and life returned to dark ages we  
decided to out do you. You see you guys hired Sadam to destroy your 
country. We thought strangers can not do as good a job of destruction
as ones own does. That is why we got Hekmatyar and Rabani and Wahdat etc
to carry out the demolishing. We would do anything to prove that we are
really " cultural twins". 


>However, unity with Iran has many advantages for people of Afghanistan.
>One of them, is current Afghanistan, which is a landlock region, would gain
>access to free waters.  It would become easier for people of Afghanistan
>to use our universities, which they teach in Persian, current Iran's
>job market, free trade with current Iran.
>

Babak you make me cry. I am simply speechless. Bless your heart. What
a man. A few more of you and the world would be , would be ..  


>The only thing that make some people of current Iran interested to join
>with Afghanistan is the idea of unification of all Persian speaking people.
>

Right. There is some Pashtoons in south eastern Afghanistan they can 
join with Pakistan. Similarly the Uzbaks and Tajiks can choose between 
Iran or northern Muslim states. What a briliant idea. But isn't that what
the iranian supported Wahdat party in Kabul is doing. Now I am really 
confused.  Help , help 



>In today's world, when European nations and other countries of the
>world discovered that they can neither compete with other countries alone,
>nor could survive as a small nation, as a result they are making themselves
>as united States of Europe.  When United States is talking economical
>unification with Mexico and Canada.  When South East Asian Countries are
>getting more and more closer every day.  It is disturbing to see small
>minded nationalism such as yours, is delaying the progress of our region
>of the world.

Now I must apologize. I am really small minded. Instead of being a 
BIG minded nationalist and think of the  GREATER IRAN here I am stuck here
with small Afghanistan. 

But just a few minutes ago you said you did not want us because there 
is was too little oil and too much of the Afghans. Mr.Babak please this
suspense in killing me let me know if you want us or not.



  As I said, it's up to people of Afghanistan to decide what
>kind of future do they want, a country deadlocked in the mountains, or a
>bigger union with people who speak their language, have very close culture
>to their culture, and could provide greater opportunity for their kids, and 
>themselves in general.  Not to mention the same religion and historical
>background.

Now the choice is obvious. As Shakepear said, to horse to horese we are 
on our way to becoming part of the greater Iran. Wow, Mr.Sehari you are
something else. Are you sure you are not related to Khomeni ?


>
>Off course, you might know that Iran, Turkey, and Pakistan currently
>are trying to reach at least much greater economic cooperation through
>CNTO.  Even though, the process has been very slow.  Really, if we want to
>have any future, and would like to compete with other regions of the world
>, our region does not have any choice but to open up it's eyes and face the
>realities of today's world.  One of which is no small country could provide
>for welfare of it's people.  In order to provide a better life style for
>people of a small and less populated country, that country should join others.
>In order to put all their resources together, and make a better use of them.
>

Now you are going with warp speed. Warp 1, warp 5, warp 8, warp 9, Mr.Spock 
please stop Mr.Babak before he crashes into the star system Iranius. 

Now Sadam Hussin was a visinary like you. He too dreamt of providing a 
better life to the people of Kuwait and some how he could not "make a 
better use of them". But then let us not get discouraged. Your plan might
actually work. 



>Even with all these considerations, if people of Afghanistan still choose
>to stay as an small country, we the current Iranians are still willing to
>devote some of our resources to help them to ease their hardships, and
>help them to achieve to their goals, whatever it might be.  After all, 
>people in Afghanistan and some other soviet republics are the only other
>people in the world that understand our language and our culture.
>

Oh, bless you sir. You have touched our heart beyond your wildest 
imagination. As they say in Urdu, " Ap to bel kul  Pagel Hey".




>                         With highest regards,
>                              Babak   Sehari.
>

Belive me our regards for you is quite "high".


>>What do you say to the Kurds in north of Iran. They too "wish" to be 
>>independent would you be as magnanimous as you have so far been with  
>>the Afghans. 'Nuf daid.  
>
>Yes, but most Kurdish relative that I have would like to stay with current
>Iran.  They are reminders of Madians which together with Persians and
>Partians, which are the origin of Afghan people made a common union, which
>they called Iran.  The Original Iran
>made of the union of the Persians, Madians (Kurds), and Partians ( people
>of Eastern Iran and Afghanistan).  Needless, to say I am part Kurd.  Their
>pain is our pain, too.  
>

Are you sure you want to introduce impurities like the Kurds or Pashtoon 
etc in your Great Persian Empire. Now ,now let us not get carried away.
:-)


Mr.Babak keep up the good work. We need clowns like you to give us a 
few laughs now and then. I am delighted to know that you are a regular
on the net, otherwise it would have been such a boring place. 


Suggestions for next time.

United States was actually a province of Russia. 
Iranian potery found under the surface of the moon.
China goes persian. Chinese language abandoned in favor of Farsi.

and much much more. See you next time.


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