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From: u9a36@seq1.keele.ac.uk (S Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:18:38 -0500
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	Why not use them as weapons? The transporter simply take things
	apart then put them back to gether so you could simply put them
	back to gether wrong (or beam the particles/atoms etc sequentially
	into the same position KABOOOOM).

	BTW transporters could be used to penetrate shiuelds so long as the 
	shield is pervious top transporter beams (yes I know this is circular
	logic).  This very trick was used in the book "Final Frontier"
	(by Diane Carey I think, I may be wrong) where Kirk's Father transports
	a bomb into the main reactor of a Romulan Mothership.  They can
	do this because shields must allow certain things through such
	as light (except high intensity laser light) and sensor beams and
	since the Romulans were not aware of the existence of transporters
	at that time they had no reason to try to shield against them.

	I know books are not considered canon but the logic still holds
	I think.

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From: kzollman@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin Zollman)
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Subject: News question.
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:08:12 GMT
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Have you ever woundered how people get news?  In one episode they said that they
didn't have TV so how do they get news?

--Kevin Zollman
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Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
From: Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:27:16 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Oct6.150832.20858@hellgate.utah.edu> jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
 [lots deleted]
>Okay, this isn't sci.shipbuilding, so what does this have to do with
>Star Trek?
>
>Lots, since the ENTERPRISE uses both schemes outlined above.  Sort of.
>The Technical Manual describes the hull of the ENTERPRISE as a
>laminated skin, incorporating several layers with specific functions.
>It is common practice to attach one hull to the outside of the
>structural members and another hull to the inside.  I suppose they did
>this with the ENTERPRISE as well.
>
>Since the ENTERPRISE has many detachable parts (i.e., the bridge, the
>saucer section), it seems reasonable to suppose that the ENTERPRISE is
>also compartmented.

   Certainly. But how do they acheive the compartmentalisation? The sliding
doors prevalent on the Enterprise do not strike me as being airtight, and I
have never seen the Tech Manual to be told whether they are or are not. Also
given the heavy reliance on ForceFeild technology the Federation relies on I
would assume that emergency sealing is mostly acheived this way. (Except for
real seals between major compartments eg between saucer section and the rest
of the Enterprise.)

   Now given that in an emergency power is usually in short supply or not
present at all, what happens when the hull is breached? Does just one deck
get evacuated? Or are there further subdivisions of airtight seals? (The first
encounter with the Borg seems to imply this...)

   Philip

(Look no smilie! :-) Darn...)

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Subject: Star Fleet Battles
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:23:42 GMT
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From: wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Thomas Schoene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: a question....(EMP effects)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:52:53 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <QeqoMOC00Uh7Q4ppJG@andrew.cmu.edu>,
ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes: 
> As far as electromagnetic pulses from a nuke affecting 24th century
> computers, wouldn't most of the computers be digital by then?  Yes, I
> have the Tech Manual, but it's not with me at this moment.
Exactly!  As it turns out, solid state circuits are vastly MORE vulnerable to
EMP effects than older tube type systems.  One way contemporary military
designers hope to harden systems against EMP is to develop chip scale vacuum
tubes which would be both EMP and shock resistant.
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: Klingon Battle Cruisers
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:04:59 GMT

In article <BvrHoI.416@acsu.buffalo.edu> v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:
>>This really confused the hell out of me...
>> 
>>Haywire
>>  
>	They are also very proud and hold tthe idea of bravery very high, 
>maybe it would be a sign of cowardice?
>
>		James

	Actually, to make sense in my mind all of the discrepancies between
the "evil" Klingon culture of TOS and the "honorable" one of TNG, I like to
believe that STVI began a fundamental change in Klingon culture.
	The explosion of the moon mentioned in the movie I like to think
helped to change the emphasis of Klingon culture from conquering and
victory through anihilation (the way Romulan Command people are portrayed
now) to a more inward form of honor: survival and glory through honor.  It's
a nice way to picture the transition and it kinda makes the obvious differences
make a bit more sense.
	(Actually, from the Romulan commander's character in "Balance Of
Terror", the old Romulans resemble the new Klingons more than the old
Klingons!)

	__ Jon Krivitzky

	(can't figure out how to use a .sig yet!)

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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Bio filters in transporters..
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:06:57 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>I can't believe I'm actually such a star trek nerd that I'm staying
>after work to add to this conversation, but what the hell.

You're only a Star Trek nerd if you add to this conversation INSTEAD
of doing work.  (Hi, Charles)

>As a big fan of SF, and ST-TNG in particular, I believe that they are
>far from exploring the possibilities of the technology they're
>supposed to have.

I don't think Star Trek's intent is to explore technology.  It is to
tell a story about the future.  As Michael Okuda put it: "the
technology is just part of their environment."  Insofar as telling the
story is inseparable from postulating the technology, it makes sense
to spend some of the storytelling looking at gadgets and such.

Another problem is the technology gap.  Some parts of our culture
today have fantastically advanced technology.  Other parts remain
unchanged over hundreds of years.  Some of us can communicate with
others around the globe almost instantly, while others have yet to see
an electric light bulb.

Starfleet has transporters, replicators, holodecks, warp travel, and
so forth.  But what about the rest of the inhabitants of the galaxy?
We've seen pictures of some fictional cultures living in despicable
circumstances.

If one were to tell a story about the U.S. military today, one would
expect to see lots of expensive, high-tech devices.  Does that mean
that the entire American culture lives this way?  No, it doesn't.  My
house doesn't even have a garbage disposal in the sink -- no place to
connect the wires.

[...]
>Sure, I know everyone's going to say, but the transporters need to be
>charged-up, they're expensive, or whatever, but the fact is that if
>they really had all that technology they could work it all out so that
>such things were possible.

The point is that the Paramount folks don't WANT that kind of
technology.  Fiction thrives on conflict and resolution, and if you
have no conflict you have no fiction.  Having omnipotent technology
destroys the conflict, so in the interest of fiction you have to limit
the technology.

Pulling Dr. Pulaski "out of the hat" was a good example of this.  It's
consummate "deus ex machina," and it was disappointing.

I'll agree that the limits placed on technology and engineering are
arbitrary and somewhat silly, but I'm glad they're there because I'd
hate the alternative.  The episode would be resolved before the teaser
was over.
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From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: a question....
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:49:34 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Oct12.214639.1116@pro-freedom.cts.com> kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger) writes:
>From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
>Subject: a question....
>Date: 13 Oct 92 04:46:39 GMT
>this is something that has bugging me for a while:
>
>suppose your average little starship, while cruising through space
>encounters a borg ship. with your life (among others) in jeopardy you
>search for those frantic options that may yet save the day. then someone
>suggests you employ old-fashioned thermo-nuclear bombs to resolve the
>matter.
>since it is pretty much a given that the borg seemingly do not care if you
>beam over to their ship, what if you beam over one or more H-bombs (lets go
>for maximum efficency...) sealed in cases rigged to detonate if anyone
>where to try to open them (just in case..) and then detonate them as you
>move away. this would seem to be a
>surefire way to bag a borg. why hasn't anyone considered this as an option?
>in BOBW they say it'll another two years untill they'll have something
>online to do the job. could anyone explain to me why using nukes won't
>work?
>
Well, maybe the Borg would just beam the bombs right back OFF their ship.
From: highway@wam.umd.edu (Acolyte of the Mysterious Ways)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: highway@wam.umd.edu (Acolyte of the Mysterious Ways)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct7.175123.18389@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> davesp@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dave Spensley)  
writes:
> Possible spoilers...
> 
> Was anyone else floored when a transport was shown with respect to
> the "transportee"?  I have been hoping for a shot like this for the
> last few years, and I hadn't seen one until "Realm of Fear".  (I
> presume this effect had not yet been shown in TNG.)  IMHO, it'd add
> a little more variety if we (the viewer) followed the away team from
> the team's perspective as they transported.
> 
>                       Dave Spensley  |  davesp@ecs.comm.mot.com

Well, normally, there isn't much to see...  the only reason they
had such a "scene" was because it took an extra 4-5 seconds to transport.
Normal transport time ranges from 3-7 seconds.  However, I do agree, it's
very unique perspective to see what the away teams see during transport.
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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:27:20 GMT

In article <VVmJsB6w165w@west.darkside.com>, max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis) writes:
>lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz) writes:
>
>> Out of curiosity, does anyone remeber the episode of TNG where they mention t
>> it required a "TerraWatt" of power, which was too much for the Enterprise to
>> produce?  Isn't there something wrong there?  A Terra-Watt is not too much, a
>> if you consider how hard it should be to produce it in the 24th Cent, there i
>> a problem.  It should be EASY to produce it on a ship the size of the Enterpr
>
>No, a trillion watts aren't that hard to create, depending on what you're 
>trying to do with it.
>
>Incidentally, it's spelled _terawatt_.  The prefix _tera_ is unrelated to 
>_terra_ or Earth.
>
>----------
>
#1 That was "The Dauphin", and early show pre-tech man, so put it down to
writer's sloppiness.
.
#2 Although the big-E can generate TW's in the warp core, directing that much
energy through a subspace emitter is another matter altogether.
.
.
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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:52:46 GMT

In article <16280@mindlink.bc.ca>, Greg_Goss@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Goss) writes:
>> adam lidz writes:
>> a problem.  It should be EASY to produce it on a ship the size of the
>> Enterprise!  The lights alone on something that big probably require a
>> TerraWatt of power!
>> (1 Million Light bulbs = 1 TerraWatt, so that might be a slight
>> exageration, but. . . )
>> (And they probably have more efficent light, as well, but still a TerraWatt
>> isn't that much!)
>>
>
>
>Kilo, Mega, Giga, Tera.
>
>There are a million mega in a tera.
>
>You're using some bitchin' light bulbs there!
>
>However, I still agree that something running on direct matter conversion
>should have access to a million megawatt.
>
According to the tech manual, at warp 9 the warp field is 1516 cochranes
and the power usage is 2*10^7 megajoules/cochrane.

Thus, at warp 9 the ship is producing 30,000 terawatts of power.

I think there are two explanations for the line:

	#1 tech manual wasn't written yet and the line sounded good to
	the writer

	#2 the maximum power load across the medium range subspace 	
	emitters is only 143 MW.  Even if the long range emitters 
	are 100 time more powerful (the exact figure is not given)
	that is only 0.014 TW.  Maybe Data meant to say "That's more
	power than our emitters can channel" but a cosmic ray hit is
	speech processor. :-)


By the way, at warp 9, producing 30,0000TW of power, what is the antimatter
consumption rate?

Answer: 330 grams per second!

Talk about CAFE standards!


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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Lights
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:26:56 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <tomcat.719167813@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>
>...Does anyone out there know what the
>lighs are that flash under the viewscreen aboard the original Enterprise,
>the Enterprise-A and Enterprise D?  

I had always thought that this was monitoring the viewscreen receptors
located all over the hull of the ship (eg when they use the revserse
angle or Spock says `Interseting development on scanner D7').

The blueprints for the TOS bridge by Mike McCaster tells their
(unofficial) purpose.  Unfortunately, I have my copy 600 miles
away.




-- 
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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: warp overshoot
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:47:46 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14a by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1bcd32INN209@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>  lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson) writes:
>
>  Ok, This may have been answered earlier, but...
>
>  When the ship is travelling at warp 7 or 8 and they come up on a planet,
>  a few micro-seconds will put them light-years away from the planet they
>  want to stop at. #1 always just says "Take us out of warp, Data" or some-
>  thing to that effect. Just those words wouyld send them past out entire
>  solar system.
>

   Technically, the E has to come out warp well before reaching the planet
 due to the gravity well which it (and its sun) represents (although coming
 out of warp isn't as tricky as going into warp when close to a celestial
 body).

   If I remember correctly, Data usually says something like "Entering
 the Sol system", which means the the edges of the solar system have been
 reached, not the planet.  Then Picard orders the E to sublight (usually
 1/2 or 1/4 impulse).

   This in itself is very weird, becuase at 1/2 the speed of light, it
 would take the E a couple hours to get to Earth from the outskirts of
 the the solar system.


>  Just curious,
>
>  Todd.
>
>  Lawson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
>
>
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Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:52:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.132614.3504@hellgate.utah.edu> jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
>uhs@jab.tucson.az.us (Rob Macomber) writes:
>>
>>But in _The First Duty_, Wesley's room has a doorknob...
>
>Plausible answer:  Starfleet Academy is a historic paramilitary
>academy with longstanding traditions.  In that spirit, the buildings
>on the academy campus are maintained in the historical style, to
>respect the traditions associated with aged institutions of learning.
>This includes quaint anachronisms like doorknobs, and probably flush
>toilets. :-)

	How else would you prop buckets of water on half open doors
(would be kind of difficult on the sliding type) - every college dorm
needs some of that.

	--Jon K.
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 13:57:14 -0400 
From: Michael Joseph Harris <mh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons


linley@netcom.com ( Bruce James Robert Linley ) asks the following:

>>	Well, I've seen evert trek show/movie to air and never have I seen
>the transporter used as a weapon. Imagine, you could beam bombs right on to
>the enemy ship's bridge; beam part of their warp drive out into space; beam
>incoming photon torpedos so as to turn their direction around; Beam some of
>the crew into space. Nah, that'll never happen though. It must be that
>federation ethics code (like no cloaking devices). What's that you say?
>You can't beam through shields? No problem, just use that dimensional shift
>device the terrorists used against the Enterprise (shields didn't stop it).
>Just another grudge. Thank you for your time.


     Two mistakes in that analysis:

1) In that episode, it was also made clear that there were mistakes made
during that kind of transport-- Which was what was killing the
terrorists. Imagine beaming a bomb onto a bridge without the detonator

2) Although I don't remember the technicallities of that type of
transport, didn't the terrorists use a planetary source to power their
transporter. ( ie: they couldn't generate the phase shifts by themselves
)


Also, you can't use the transporter during warp transit ( unless you are
traveling at the same speed as the ship you are transporting to.) Keep
in mind that Gene promised us no more "transporter saves the day
episodes," which would clearly deter this type of weaponry.

                                                    Michael
From: cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: News question.
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:49:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvz8Mo.5HK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kzollman@phys.ksu.edu (Kevin Zollman) writes:

>Have you ever woundered how people get news?  In one episode they said that they
>didn't have TV so how do they get news?

>--Kevin Zollman
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>|  ^^^Beginning computer users consultants^^^    |            A. Einstein   |

On the video of ST VI:TUC (with the extra footage), there is a scene where
Valeris tells Spock that the Gorkon's daughter has been named chancellor.
She then hesitates (realizing she could have just exposed her conspiracy
connection) and mutters, "It was on the news."

Wow....CNN has some awesome coverage...

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