HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Jewish Charities
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:20:40 GMT
Keywords: disgusting

While on this subject, I have a related question about Jewish charities.  I 
get an awful lot of letters in the mail asking for tzedakah.  (I sent out
*seventeen* checks last night from ones received in the last few weeks!) Some 
of these letters are from well known organizations such as Count Me In and 
Noam Shabbos.  Others have signatures of Rabbis such as Rav Pam, and are
generally requests for money to help particular individuals or families that 
are having severe medical and financial troubles.  My question is, how can one 
tell which of all of these are legitimate?  Should one give to each worthy-
sounding cause unless there's reason to suspect it?  

Does anyone have a list of *discredited* alleged Jewish charities?  If so,
it would seem very important, as to even override the usual worries of lashon 
hara, that the list be publicized - i.e., posted.  It would be nice to help
prevent people from throwing away money that they'd otherwise give to a 
legitimate charity.
--- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Synagogue MUSIC
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:57:27 GMT


In response to Brian Shanblatt, yes it was L'chai olamim. Regardless
of the origin (to honor Napoleon for being good the the Jews), it's
very disconcerting to those who don't know the story, and maybe
even to some who do.

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Miketz/Vayigash Confusion...
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:56:43 GMT

In: <1992Dec24.173008.8487@shearson.com>
esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern) correctly states (but...):

>In article AA02027@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, Murray Kahl
><kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> () writes:
>(Headers Deleted)
>>**************************************************************************
>>                              L'CHAIM             ISSUE # 247 PART 1 OF 8
>>**************************************************************************
>>              THE WEEKLY PUBLICATION FOR EVERY JEWISH PERSON
>>     Dedicated to the memory of Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka Schneerson  N.E.
>>**************************************************************************
>> Dec. 25, 1992              Parshas - Mikeitz                 1 Teves 5753
>>**************************************************************************
>(Stuff Deleted)
>>**************************************************************************
>>                                 L'CHAIM          ISSUE # 247 PART 2 OF 8
>>**************************************************************************
>>                          LIVING WITH THE TIMES
>>                        THE WEEKLY TORAH PORTION
>>**************************************************************************
>>
>>   This week's Torah portion, Miketz, contains an interesting exchange
>>between Pharaoh, King of Egypt, and our Patriarch Jacob. When Joseph
>>brought his elderly father to Pharaoh to introduce him, Pharaoh asked,
>>"How old are you?" Jacob responded: "The years of my travails are 130. The
>>days of the years of my life have been few and hard, and they have not
>>reached those of my ancestors in their journeys."
>(More Stuff Deleted)
>>**************************************************************************
>>This BBS version of the L'Chaim publication, was prepared for BBS
>>distribution by Reuven Blau, Sysop of L'Chaim BBS, KESHERnet N.Y.
>>718-756-7201. Please address all questions or comments via the Chassidus
>>echo on any world wide KESHERnet BBS or netmail directly to the Sysop of
>>L'chaim BBS (Fido net. 278/610).
>>
>I don't have a Chumash with me, but didn't this exchange take place in
>Vayigash???

Eric is quite correct,  it is in Vayigash, but how  is it someone does
not have always a Tanakh with one :-)? Later Eric says:

>Yaakov didn't come to Mizrayim until after the Maaseh with Binyamin and
>Yehudah, and by Vayichi, he had already passed on!

If by "passed on" Eric means  the American euphemism for "died" he, is
not  quite  correct. "By  Vayichi",  i.e.  at  the beginning  of  that
portion, Yaakov  was still  alive, and  it says that  he had  lived in
Egypt 17 years.   Then it goes over describing him  being ill.  All of
the blessing of his  sons is in Vayichi, only towards  the end (in the
"shishi" part of that portion) he actually dies.

Now someone has to point out where I was not quite accurate...

>							Eric Safern

        Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: How Do You Spell (C)Han(n)uk(k)a(h) in English?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:58:52 GMT

afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) writes:
> drukier@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier) writes...
> > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:

>   Anyone for a side-thread to see how many variant spellings we
> >can come up with? Let's see...
> > 
> >Chanucah
> >Chanukah
> >Hannukah
> >Chanuka
> > 
> 
> Hanukka
> Hanukah
> Chanukah
> Hanukah

Using the Subject line's example, we would have 2^4 possibilities:

Ch-/H-      -nn-/-n-     -kk-/-k-     -ah/-a
 1  0         1   0        1   0        1  0


0000	Hanuka
0001	Hanukah
0010	Hanukka
0011	Hanukkah
0100	Hannuka
0101	Hannukah
0110	Hannukka
0111	Hanukkah
1000	Chanuka
1001	Chanukah
1010	Chanukka
1011	Chanukkah
1100	Channuka
1101	Channukah
1110	Channukka
1111	Chanukkah


-Don Gertler

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:54:46 GMT

In article <532@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
>In article <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Hillel Applebaum writes:
>>Pls tell me if I'm wrong. 
>>I think that regardless to been a left/right winger,
>>all religious Israelis/jews knew that ERETZ YISRAEL 
>>is the homeland of jews and no other nation. The only
>>thing they might disagree about is wheather is worth 
>>trading parts of it for peace.
>
>No, I think this is open to dispute.  In two respects.
>
>1) I am a British Jew.  My homeland is Britain.  The homeland of Swedish
>Jews  is Sweden, and so on.  Exactly the same as for British and Swedish
>Baptists, or Catholics.  Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.  Most
>Jews  live  in  the  diaspora,  and show no signs of moving - nor should
>they.  Their homeland is the country they are living in.
>
>2) Unfortunately what you call Eretz Yisreal has almost exactly the same
>boundaries  as  historic  Palestine.   The  Palestinians lived in it for
>thirteen centuries, without doing Jews or anyone else any harm,  and  it
>is  their homeland.  They have no other homeland.  You are a settler - a
>colonist - in another people's land.
>
>David Turner
>(A British Jew who does not support Israel)

Psst, David, uh, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but, uh, Marxism
is dead.  The late 'great' USSR is dead & buried along with their
slogans you like to quote like a personal mantra.

Colonialist????
Get a life.
Jews have always lived in the land of Israel (from the time of Aaron).

For you to dismiss offhand all Jewish claims to the state of Israel
displays either a stunning ignorance of Jewish history, or
pathological self-hatred.

Which one is it?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:23:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.201122.23500@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:
>Under international law, it is illegal to deport people against their
>will from their country of birth or citizenship.

There is no citizenship in Gaza, nor is Gaza a country. There is even
no evidence that all the Hamas types rounded up were born there.

David
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:03:54 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: My experience with Jews for Jesus

I have seen a lot of postings regarding Jews for Jesus so I thought I
would relate my personal experiences with one member of that organization.
I was a student in college majoring in Philosophy at the time.  My dorm
room mate, a fellow Jew, was a member of JfJ.  At the time I was a officer
in the student Jewish organization and I allways tried to get my room mate
involved in Jewish activities to no avail.  It wasn't too long before I
noticed a pattern with my room mate.  Every night, after dinner, he would
return to our room and proceed to smoke pot for about half an hour.  After
his smoking session he would go off to the Christian fellowship meetings !!
Every night when he returned I would question his behaviour.  It was obvious
to me that he needed some kind of help.  I used to debate his philosophy.
How could he reconcile being a Jew with believing in Christianity and using
using drugs every night which flies in the face of everything !!!  Sadly, I
failed to convince him that he is a Jew and will allways be a Jew and
shouldn't turn his back on his heritage, culture, and people.  He had
difficulty reconciling his behaviour too and eventually wound up quitting the
JfJ     and just turned to drugs...  I believe that the JfJ is nothing more
than a bunch of confused people having a identity crisis.  I have met Jews
who have converted to Christianity and who call themselves Christians (and
rightly so).  IMHO you are either a Jew OR you are a Christian, you can not
be BOTH !!!  and please, don't turn to drugs like my ex-room mate, thats not
the answer either...

 P. Cohen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:54:47 GMT

In article <dfs.725166573@kehleyr> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Dec24.003717.5186@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
>Livni) writes:
>>And they have differences, as well.  The differences far outweigh any
>>similarities.  There is simply no comparison between an extremist like
>>Kahane and even the so-called moderates in the Arab world, not to
>>mention the tyrants and terrorists.

>You can't say there is "no" comparison, when I have shown that there
>are several points of comparison.

If you try hard enough, you could find points of comparison between
any two people. But distinctions are often more important than
similarities. 

The act of postulating suggested points of similarity, by itself,
proves nothing meaningful.

I suggest you spend a little more time thinking about the differences.
They are, in this case, highly significant.

--Mark
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:30:01 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1hktucINN6q4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>An israeli newspaper reports that 6 of the 418 deported palestinians
>were deported by misidentity.
>
>no comment....
>--

Why not ?
The newspapers wrote that some think they was kicket out by mistake,
namely because they made their terrorist activity as PLO members, or
because their activity was "mild". In any case in a state like US each
of them will get many  years at jail and in an arabian state
they will spend in jail some monthes at the most before changing it
for a rope.

   Shalom   gideon ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:27:03 GMT

Q.  If you count the tail as a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

A.  Four - calling the tail a leg doesn't make it one.

Just because the Supreme Court and other authorities do not recognize that the
decorated evergreen is a christian symbol doesn't change the facts.

On the other hand, the Columbus, OH newspaper had an interview this morning
with a local atheist, who referred to a "solstice shrub."  I guess they're not
aware of it either. 
-- 
Rick Turkel           (___  ____ _  _  _  _  _     _  ___   _  _ _  ___
(rmt51@cas.org)           )    |  |  \  )  |/ \     |    |   |  \_)    |
(rmt51@cas.bitnet)       /     | _| __)/   | __)    | ___|_  | _( \    |
      Rich or poor, it's good to have money.        |

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportation
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:25:50 GMT

In article <1hj7utINN8rh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
# In a previous article, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:
 
# >In article <1hi4abINNie3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
# >#  wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich) writes:
 
# ># >Funny, I don't recall seeing any posts from you shedding your
# ># >crocodile tears when Kuwait expelled over 100,000 Palestinian
# ># >residents after the Gulf war.  Mind you, these were not people
# ># >inciting others to murder like the Hamas boys.  They were kicked out
# ># >just for being Palestinian.  And not a peep from you, or any of the
# ># >hippocrates at the United Nations who routinely ignore Arab civil
# ># >rights abuse.
 
# ># >But I guess thats okay.  Arabs are allowed to kill, or expel one
# ># >another by your logic.  You only scream when Israel is involved.
 
# ># However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
# ># not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
# ># from Gaza Strip and West Bank.  

# >	They were kicked out of Judea and Samaria.  Parts of the eternal
# >Jewish homeland.  And if they wanted to stay, they had no business
# >joining Hamas.

# They have the business to be palestinian collaborators or deport them
# all whether they are convicted of joining Hamas or not.

	I do not know what you mean here.

# ># If some jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# ># then we come to the root question that is: Where jews came from and where
# ># palestinians came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..

# >	Jews come from that land.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
# >invasions.
 
# Where were the jews when Arabs invaded palestine?  Did the Arabs
# also invade Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and Lebanon? 

	Which Jews are you talking about?  The ones still there, or the
ones that had been previously thrown out against their will?

	As to your second question, I am not totally sure but I believe
the answer in some of the cases is yes.

# ># Palestine is NOT "a land without a nation for a nation with out land."

# >	Correct.  "palestine?" does not exist.  It never has.
 
# Does that mean the "palestine" in the bible was a fiction? 

	No, it means that anyone who claims there was a "palestine?" in
the Bible is engaging in fiction.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Cat Stevens (was Re: A self-confessed silly thread)
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:13:14 GMT

In article <229@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
>
>[ANISA] Sorry, Tsiel, but he was Roman Catholic.
>
>That's great news ... Now I can listen to him again without any bad feelings:-)

Well, he did endorse the Ayatollah Khomeini's death decree for
Salman Rushdie. Does that change things?

I remember those days-- a little ditty was making the rounds at
the Yale Kosher Kitchen (offensive song to the tune of
"Moonshadow" follows):

  I'm hunting down a blasphemer.
  Blasphemer, blasphemer.
  A-running and gunning for a blasphemer.
  Blasphemer, blasphemer.

  And if I ever catch him, well,
  I'm gonna send him straight to hell...
  And if I ever catch him, well,
  A way-hey-hey-hey-hey, hey-hey-hey-hey,
  He ain't gonna write no more.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: deportation
Date: 27 Dec 1992 03:14:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) says:

>cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>>However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
>>not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
>>from Gaza Strip and West Bank.
>
>... To which the families of the vast majority were recent immigrants
>from surrounding Arab lands, enticed by the economic rejuvenation
>brought on the the Zionist influx they love to rail against.
>

The economic what! Jews allover the world are so worry to migrate to
Israel for two reasons:
1. They will not find a job (some endup mobing floors)
2. They are afraid of Israel instability 

>It's likely that the families of thousands of those "Palestinians" who
>were expelled from Kuwait came to Palestine from Kuwait in the first
>place.

If some did, it is natural for any body to return to his/her homeland.

>-- 
>Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
>

-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
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From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Possible privatization of Bezek
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:48:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T

A piece of an article from today's New York Times (this is all I have):

"Clal Industries of Israel and Southwestern Bell International Development
will bid for a controlling interest in Bezeq, the Israeli telecommunications
concern, Clal said yesterday."


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:36:07 GMT

stank@cbnews1.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

> One final reminder- all of the snide remarks directed at those of your
> fellow Jews who do not share your interpretation of God's Law to us
> accomplish absolutely nothing.  Also, trying to isolate us, by refusing
> to recognize those who convert to Judaism, even if according to YOUR
> interpretation of our Law (to make sure that there are no problems),
> accomplishes nothing except fragment us and made us weaker.

You clearly agree that such a thing as Jewish law exists, since you
use the terms "our law" and "G-d's Law."  What does this law entail?
Does it include the right, under the "law" for every individual Jew,
whether O, C or R to choose to do whatever he/she sees fit?  If so,
is there another such legal system, in which one's sole obligation
is to choose one's obligations?  If not, where is the line drawn to
define Jews' obligations?

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec18.172759.14745@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<Dec19.212615.34421@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:56:19 GMT

On Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:26:15 GMT, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
(Mitchell Kotler) spewed forth:

M> 1.  Laughter is good,  I agree.  Self-mockery in front of non-Jews is not.

	What if you're pointing out a trait that exists in all people,
thereby getting the goys to really laugh at themselves, thus getting
through to them that we're all basically alike?

M> 2.  Self-mockery brings about the idea that if Jews can mock themselves, 
M>       then anyone can,  it's like 'open season'.

	So all those comedians out there telling men jokes, black jokes,
short jokes, et. al. should be censored too?

M> 3.  If we want some respect as a Jewish people, in this world dominated by
M>      Christians and Muslims, then there has to be a better way.  I can't see
M>       self-mockery in the face of non-Jews (i.e., not among Jews) as a way 
M>        to achieve this.  Do we want to be respected or do we want discrimination?

	Respect is not something offered a group, it is something that
is extended from a person to another person, on an individual level.

	Realize also that respect and discrimination are not mutually
exclusive; i.e., "Some of my best friends are ____."

	Further, I comment that what you want is to enforce a
politically correct way of speaking (and therefore a politically correct
way of thinking), and are simply attempting thought control.  Why not
just admit it?  You're trying to control what I say, and therefore what
I think, and I resent it (advocates of political correctness believe
that thought stems from language, not vice-versa, and that by curbing
"unacceptable" language they can eliminate "unacceptable" thought).

	Go live in Cuba if that's the kind of society that you want.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"No offense to the Cubans, but there just aren't any good commies to
 rant against anymore."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: Daniel 9 follow up
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:46:19 GMT

dk = dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
as = solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)

as: Really? I heard that the Messiah will come when Israel is
as: completely righteous or completely wicked.
as:
as: I'm working on it from *my* side... it's you righteous people
as: who're slowing things up.

dk: Is this a joke? I just did not understand this reading it the first time
dk: around.

SCJ does not come with subtitles.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
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