From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)
Subject: Re: WHY IS ABORTION NOT A WOMEN'S ISSUE ?
Organization: Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:33:08 GMT

In article <8227@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, khanh@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Khanh V. Nguyen) writes:
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> Abortion is not a women's issue. Therefore, only men have the right to 
> decide whether abortions should be legalized.
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> Abortion [deleted words] is a conflict of interest between two parties.
>  The mother wants an abortion: she may be unprepared for a child,
> or she may be still in school, or maybe she simply does'n want to be ridiculed
> as a single mother.

Susan replies: 
OR, Kan, her life may be in danger or her impregnator may be beating her (and
by default the fetus), or she may be emotionally unstable and aware that she
cannot accept the responsibility of rearing the child, or she may be too
poor even to feed herself adequately, much less care for a baby.


Kan continues: The fetus, on the other hand, has its own interest. The
> fetus can's say. It even can't think. But we can safely assume that every
> organism has an innate desire to survive.

But Kan, you can't ask the fetus anything!  Have you ever consulted
a fetus?  Could you ask the fetus, "Would yourather give up your life,
 or allow your mother to die so you may live?  or "Fetus,
would you like to be born as a crack baby or an AIDs baby or even an unwanted
baby so that the emotional scars are so great that your life is destined to be
a miserable one?"

Kan continues:  Therefore, abortion is not in the
> interest of the fetus. In this conflict of multual-exclusive interests, it is
> unfair to give either party the right to the final decision.
The final decision should be given to the outsiders
> who have no interest in the outcome of their decisions. That's why only men
> should have the right to vote on abortion issues. 

You're on to something here.  ONLY MEN can possible have "no interest
in the outcome of their decisions."  Yes! And you  are one of these men them!! 
You have, to use your own words, "no interest in the outcome of your decision."
You have no interest in the future life of the impregnated woman! This is
quite clear!

Kan continues:  Women tend to be sympathetic
> only to other women, and their votes will of course be biased against the 
> fetus's interest.

Of course!!!!!!!  Women are born fetus-haters, aren't they!!!


>Kan concludes:  Futhermore, to insure the highest fairness possible, only young men who have
> never married can vote on this issue. Otherwise, family commitment will 
> influence the votes of married men. Married men are not free to express their
> own opinions in this sensitive issue.

You're assuming that all married men who impregnate women have "family
commitment."  This is not true at all, and probably not true in a large number
of abortion cases...women who are loved and who have support from their husbands
or their impregnators, probably would be more likely to carry their fetuses
to term, , but then we can't really generalize, now can we,  because each woman has
 a unique life, a unique perspective, unique set of circumstances and needs, doesn't
 she?  Or does that matter to you at all?

As for the unmarried men taking the lives of pregnant women into their
own hands!!!  Unbelievable!!!   As if these men were not already
responsible for a large number of abortions!!  It's a chain-reaction thing, Kan...
sometimes the decision IS entirely the woman's, but there are many times when
a child is conceived not in love, not in caring, not in commitment......single
men who have never married can impregnate a woman they have no particular
interest in and go virtually scot free, continuing to impregnate at random
without being held responsible for their actions unless the impregnated woman
wants a huge court battle.  
  
Unmarried men have no right to vote on the future well-being of any woman.
We women who have come to terms with the nature of patriarchal oppression
 have long ago had enough of this kind of enslavement.  You'd better start
talking with more women, women who have at least recognized the kind of
patriarchal facism you promote and have distanced themselves from it enough
to see the devastation that male chauvenism and sexism has caused the world,
particulary the women of the world.

Susan

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