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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Book Recommendation: The Complete Book of the Olympics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:38:23 GMT

In article <131701@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>For all of you who, like me, are avid fans of the Olympics, I strongly
>recommend "The Complete Book of the Olympics", by David Wallechinsky,
>published by Little, Brown.
>
>
>Men's 10,000 meters, 1976 -- Montreal
>
>     "However, the 1976 10,000 meters competition should not be left
>without making mention of Olmeus Charles of Haiti, whose performance
>in the opening heat was the ultimate expression of the Olympic ideal that
>what counts is not the winning, but the taking part.  Charles completed
>the course in 42:00.11, the slowest time ever recorded in the Olympics,
>almost 14 minutes slower than Carlos Lopes, who won the heat, and over
>8 1/2  minutes slower than Chris McCubbins of Canada, who placed next
>to last.  [The final was won by Lasse Viren of Finland in 27:40.38.]
>The entire schedule had to be held up while Charles plodded the last six
>laps alone.  In 1972 and 1976, Haitian runners consistently finished in
>last place.  At first reflection, one might feel sympathy for the
>Haitians.  After all, Haiti is the poorest country in the Western 
>Hemisphere and malnutrition is widespread.  However, there is no
>evidence that tryouts were actually held to determine the nation's best
>runners.  Instead, "Baby Doc" Duvalier, the dictator of Haiti, simply
>chose his friends and other trusted soldiers, and rewarded them with a
>free trip to Canada.  Unfortunately, none of them were athletes."
>
>I've been referring to this book quite a bit, while watching the games.
>
>Ed
>ed@wente.llnl.gov
>

 As a footnote -- Charles disclosed after Baby Doc Duvalier was ousted
from Haiti that the only reason he finished the race was because Duvalier
had threatened to kill him if he didn't. Perhaps that will get included in
future editions.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: Tatiana Gutsu to compete in the all-arounds
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:32:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.032855.27245@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>I heard it on NBC tonight... the Unified Team has stated that one of
>their athletes is injured and will not be able to compete in
>Thursday night's all-around.  NBC did not specify which Unified
>athlete was injured.  Thus, Tatiana Gutsu, the 4th Soviet gymnast,
>will qualify for the al-arounds.
>
>Anyone who read the "re: Tatiana Gutsu (was re: GYMNASTICS: results)"
>thread read my explanation that the former Soviets had a history of
>claiming that a certain gymnast was injured, thus allowing a lower
>scoring (but more capable) Soviet gymnast to compete in the
>all-arounds.  (Only three gymnasts/nation may advance.)  I stated that
>while it would not surprise me if the Unified Team pulled that trick
>again, I did not expect it.  I guess I should have expected it.
>
>If it was Boguinkskaya that was injured, NBC would have said so.  So
>it must be either Galieva or Lysenko.  Lysenko is generally regarded
>as the stronger gymnast.  So if Lysenko is "injured", I will maybe
>believe that she really is injured.  If Galieva is "injured", while I
>wouldn't be able to prove it in any way, I must admit I will be of the
>opinion that the EUN is resorting to it's old ways...
>

Remember...there could be political reasons for doing this also...
isn't Gutsu Ukrainian, and Boguinskaya Belarussian, and maybe the
others are Russian...this way each Republic might have one
gymnast.

Gerald
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Subject: Charley Barkley gets a technical foul
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:38:21 GMT
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   If you caught the first USA Basketball game, Charles Barkley received
a technical foul for elbowing an opposing player.

   IMHO, his foul was uncalled for and unsportsmanlike, especially for
Olympic competition.  Why would he need to do it? ... intimidation of
any Angolan player was really not needed.  Everyone knew they were going
to win by a huge margin.  Even the Angolan coach hoped to only lose by 40!

   As a native Philadelphian, and a true fan of the Sixers, Phillies, and
Eagles, I'm glad Barkley got traded to the Suns!

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
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Subject: Re: Medals in weightlifting?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:17:03 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul29.064358.15905@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:
>How are medals awarded in weightlifting? In each weight division there are
>the three medals for total weight lifted. Are there medals given away for each 
>of the two styles (I don't even know their names..) too? So each division gives 
>3 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze or 1, 1 and 1?

It's 1, 1 and 1.  Each competitor lifts in both styles, the snatch and the
clean and jerk.  The greatest weights lifted in the two styles are added
to get the competitor's final score.

Ed
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.191427.19371@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:

|> They must have got it wrong, or at the least the ref was lying in his written
|> statement. I CLEARLY HEARD ON TV when an American player said "second set"
|> while the ref and the umpire were arguing, and then the ref also said "second
|> set", probably not because he had forgotten when the first yellow card was
|> given, but because he chickened out when he understood that the card meant
|> the end of the match.

Part of the procedure in giving out a yellow card (first or second) is going
to the scorekeeping bench and telling them who got it. The record shows,
however, that no yellow cards were given out at this point in the game.
(I might note that part of the procedure in giving out a yellow card also
involves telling the player who got it, and the tape shows that this did not
occur.)

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: JUDO: W's Light-heavyweight Round 3
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:16:20 GMT

JUDO - Women's Light-heavyweight Round 3
========================================
 
DE KOK, Irene			NED
	defeated
WERBROUCK, Ulla			BEL
	by walkover.

TANABE, Yoko			JPN
	defeated
HAKANSSON, Katarina		SWE
	by ippon (throw).

HORTON, Josie			GBR
	defeated
SCHUTTENHELM, Regina Felicitas	GER
	by decision.
 
KIM, Mi-Jung			KOR
	defeated
JUSZCZAK, Katarzyna		POL
	by waza-ari-awasete-ippon (throw).


Qualified for round four:
	DE KOK, Irene		NED
	TANABE, Yoko		JPN
	HORTON, Josie		GBR
	KIM, Mi-Jung		KOR


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From: ssr@venturi.caltech.edu (Steve Roy)
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Subject: Anybody got full standings for the yachting (especially 470)?
Keywords: yachting,olympics,470
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:42:57 GMT
Organization: Caltech Applied Mathematics

A buddy of mine is competing in the 470 yachting class, but I haven't
been able to find anything more than the top 6 in anyone's listings.
Anybody got a line on how to get more info?  Thanks!

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Music Used on NBC
Originator: wmorgan@nemesis.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:28:20 GMT


Was I dreaming, or was NBC using that wonderful music that ABC used on
its Olympic coverage?  It sounds something like:

Dahhhh-dahhhhh-da-da-da-da-dah,
dah-di-dun-dun-dun-da-da-da-dah-da-da-da...

I thought that ABC owned that music, because I hadn't heard it during
the NBC coverage of the Seoul Olympics or the CBS coverage of the
Albertville Games.  Is it music owned by the Int'l Olympic Committee,
or is it some piece of music that ABC simply appropriated for its
Olympic coverage?

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From: nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH)
Subject: VCR Olympics Summaries (+ call for fencing results)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:31:15 GMT

I am an avid ex-fencer (I no longer can fence, but still love the sport),
but coverage in the USA is zero (I'd have even shelled out the ludicrous
amount of money required for the t-cast if they had shown it.)  I know
that someone from .tamu.edu land was going to report on it to the net,
but I have not heard anything since.  Has something gone wrong, or has
the Fencing just not started yet?

If you have some results, don't be afraid to post them, even if you aren't
"officially" responsible for it.

This brings me to another point: there's way too much of the olympics for
everything to be shown.  Certainly I'm not defending the American coverage
whice has been especially weak this olympiad (perhaps NBS isn't as bad as
CBS, but that isn't saying much.  I tuned to CBS during the winter olympics
and they were showing a sitcom.  sigh...)  What I am suggesting is an
alternative way to view them.  Perhaps it would be economically feasible
to make VCR tapes of an event --- the WHOLE event, prelims and all, and then
sell these to the consumer.  I know I'd buy one for fencing, even if it
were cheaply produced, and without a "talented journalist" like Mr. Costas
smooth entertaining the audience with gibberish.

I realise the demand would be low, but among those willing to buy such an item,
I'd guess that the production demands (like neato graphics and such) would
also be low.  What sort of licencing would it take to make such an item?

Does anyone know of something like this is available?

Mel

Please don't take this as a licence for more nationalistic bashing.  There
are other thread which have more than enough of that.
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Subject: Field Hockey" PAKISTAN beat New Zealand 
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:26:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Pakistan beat New zealand by one goal.
1-0
Altaf
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 50m Freestyle
Keywords: swimming
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:17:34 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 50m Freestyle FINAL
======================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		24.98	held by WENYI, Yang
Olympic Record		25.49	held by OTTO, Kristine

Gold	WENYI, Yang			CHN	24.79		New WR, New OR
Silver	YONG, Zhuang			CHN	?
Bronze	MARTINO, Angel			USA	25.23
------
4	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	?
5	THOMPSON, Jenny			USA	?
6	METCHEVIAKOVA, Natalia		EUN	?
7	OSYGUS, Simone			GER	?
8	DE BRUIJN, Inga			NED	? 

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 800m Freestyle
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:35:48 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 100m Freestyle FINAL
=======================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		8:16.22		held by Janet Evans (USA) set in 1989.
Olympic Record		8:20.20		held by Janet Evans (USA) set in 1988.

Gold	EVANS, Janet			USA	8:25.52
Silver	LEWIS, Hayley			AUS	?
Bronze	HENKE, Jana			GER	?
------
4	LANGRELL, Phillipa		NZL	?
5	DALBY, Irene			NOR	?
6	SPLICHALOVA, Olga		TCH	?
7	HANSEN, Erika M			USA	?
8	ARNOULD, Isabelle		BEL	?
 
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From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Athletics/T&F Results - A request
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:39:30 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


With typical bad planning I am going on Holiday on Sunday and will miss
most of the T&F: who needs enemies when I've got friends like these
to plan my Hols (cycling across the Himalaya if you're interested -
so if Chris Boardman's superbike goes missing you'll know what's
happened!!).

Anyway, would some kind soul please collect and mail me as many
T&F results as possible as its quite likely our local server will
have dumped everything by the time (if) I return.

Thanks and happy viewing.

John


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:05:54 EDT
From: <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Distribution: na
 <1992Jul24.150250.411@u.washington.edu> <2782@perl-sun.dwrsun4.UUCP>
 <MARY.92Jul30080620@martinique.Cayman.COM>

Talking about NBC coverage some of the comentary for diving was realy
amusing almost stupid. At one point the comentator suggested that the
silver medal winner in 3m diving for men the diver from China was
westernized because he smiles. What does she mean, the easterners
do not smile? The American gymnastic team after some unfortunate
falls were so down and serious that there was no smile in their face.
Does that make them eastern.  I think NBC should give a more educated
comments. After all audience inside USA itself comes from all nations
you can think of.
Kesh
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:54:47 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul27.154542.26682@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>Did anyone happen to catch the stupid comment made by one of the NBC announcers,during the parade of nations? It went something like this:  "The United States
>will be coming up soon because they are using the French alphabet."

I'm sure he meant to say they were using the French alphabetization, and
just misspoke.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:45:51 GMT

Bob Costas I don't mind.  Dick Enberg I could lose without a qualm,
especially his tedious "moments" feature.

The individual sports announcers are annoying, especially their
repetitive framing explanation, but this seems to be typical of
American sports announcing, and I've mostly learned to tune it out.
Sometimes I wish commentary were broadcast on a separate audio channel
that I could mute independent of the main action.

Somewhere I heard that this style of announcing descended from radio
announcing, where the running description is everything, and doing
some sort of talking is more important than saying anything
particularly meaningful.

I have fond memories of watching tennis on PBS, with low-key
announcers who made occasional remarks, but mostly kept quiet.
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From: dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca (Dan Martin)
Subject: ROWING: newsflash
Summary: women's single semifinal
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:33:49 GMT

Silken Laumen has advanced to the final by winning her semi despite the
huge injury she is still recuperating from.  For those you you who don't
know during a competition in Germany about 6 weeks ago she was hit by 
a Germany pair while they were both practicing their starts.  The pair
connected with her right leg breaking the bone and causing extreme
damage to the calf muscle and tissues.   The German doctor said she
would never row again but here she is in the Olympic final with what
looks like a possible medal hope.  Man, I love the Olympics!

regards,
Dan
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From: ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:47:44 GMT

In article <1681@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.205320.14639@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, rajah@soda.berkeley.edu (Raja S Kushalnagar) writes:
>> I was startled when I noted that baseball was a full-fledged event
>> in the Olympics, and had been for quite a while, for it certainly
>> does not seem to be `widespread', as required by the Olympic charter.
>> (North America, Far East, and that's about it).  And I can think
>> of many other sports that are not that widespread either -- e.g.,
>[some stuff deleted]
>
>One of the requirements for a sport is that it has a sole governing body, such 
>as FIBA for basketball, and FIFA for soccer.  The lack of a sole governing body
>is one of the things keeping rugby out of the Olympics - and it's not likely
>to change soon.
>-- 
>                                           Dave Marshall
>                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com


I always thought the IRB (International Rugby Board) was the sole
governing body for Rugby.  (Sure, most countries are associate rather
than full memebers, but the IRB determine the Laws of the Game, etc.)
Is there any reason Rugby would want to be in the Olympics?  Or
cricket for that matter?  Both have well-established international
competitions outside of the Olympics, including their own World Cups.
I've never understood why (for instance) soccer and tennis are in the
Olympics.  What does it mean to win the Olympic gold medal for soccer?
No country would claim to be the best in the world based on this
result -- that it determined at the World Cup.  Similarly national
tennis supremacy is determined by the Davis Cup, and individual
performance by Wimbledon (or the French, US or Australian Opens).

A case could be made for lots more sports (e.g. golf), but why?
Surely the games are big enough already, and (IMHO) it demeans the
Olympics to have sports in which an Olympic gold medal is not the
pinnacle of success in that sport.

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: GYMNASTICS: results
Summary: Kim Zmeskal makes it!
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:07:22 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

A quick note now while I am preparing the entire list for posting:

Kim Zmeskal made it!

Top Individuals
1. Shannon Miller (USA)
2. Svetlana Boguinskaya (EUN)
3. Cristina Bontas (ROM)
4. Lavinia Milosevi (ROM)
5. Tatiana Lysenko (EUN)
6. Betty Okino (USA)
7. Gina Gogean (ROM)
8. Roza Galieva (EUN)
9. Tatiana Gutsu (EUN) <-- does not qualify for all-around finals *
10. Sylvia Mitova (BUL)
11. Vanda Hadarean (ROM) <-- also does not qualify for AA finals
12. Kim Zmeskal (USA) 
13. Yang Bo (CHN)
14. Kerri Strug (USA) <-- does not qualify for AA finals
15. Lu Li (CHN)
16. Henni Onodi (HUN) 
17. Maria Neculita (ROM) <-- does not qualify for AA finals
18. Li Yifang (CHN) 
19. Mirela Pasca (ROM) <-- does not qualify for AA finals
20. Li Li, (CHN), <-- does not qualify for AA finals

Teams:
1. EUN
2. ROM
3. USA
4. CHN
5. ESP
6. HUN
7. AUS
8. FRA
9. GER
10. CAN
11. PRK
12. BUL

I will post more complete results later...

Rachele


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