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From: john@sg25.aud.temple.edu (John W. Schwegler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Where is mh ??
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:12:27 GMT


In message <4882@sumax.seattleu.edu> ,
 "James A. Cadwell" <cadwell@sumax.seattleu.edu> writes:
> On my 4.0.1 tape is the X window based mail reader program xmh.
> Seems that xmh requires mh. Where oh where can I find mh?
> 
> Thank you,
> Jim Cadwell

The program xmh is just a graphical front end for the MH mail handling package.
The source can be found on ftp.uu.net (as well as several other places), and
will build on IRIX 4.0.X. I don't know if anyone else had problems, but it took
me a couple of days to get the whole configuration/compilation to work
correctly. Maybe I wanted the wrong set of options :)

I've used mh and xmh for perhaps 1 1/2 months now, and I like the combination.
If you want our compiled versions, let me know, but it is rather specific 
during the build as to where its executables and libraries must be put.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: it's still broken
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:29:21 GMT

In <1992Aug25.050915.7662@crow.omni.co.jp> trich@crow.omni.co.jp (Timothy Richards) writes:
| Today is:			Tue Aug 25 14:03:36 JST 1992
| EFAST option was installed on:	Fri May 29 1992
| cost of EFAST:			1400000 yen ( $12000 )
| amount of time used:		10 minutes
| amount of time broken:		87 days
| cost of support contract:	$140000+
| escalation proceedure in Japan:	none available

I find that extremely hard to believe (that we have no way
of escalating internation support problems).  If true, it is
a sad thing...  I'll forward this to our internal support
folks; to see what they have to say.

Meanwhile, what are the problems that you have, and what has
been done so far to try and fix them?
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: fouts@exacto.dallas.sgi.com (Christopher Fouts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Dog, Arena, Battlezone, and Networks
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:43:22 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics (Dallas, TX)

In article <lade95INN4tr@bovina.cs.utexas.edu>, ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep2.200605.27765@odin.corp.sgi.com> fouts@exacto.dallas.sgi.com (Christopher Fouts) writes:
|> >Bz uses multicast packets and is throttled to send a maxium of 15 update
|> >packets a second.  Each packet is around 60 or so bytes long, so the
|> >overall bandwidth used is relatively small.  Your opinion of whether or
|> >not this is flooding the network may differ.  :^)
|> 
|> Yeah, it does.  I tried to compile it on a Sparc 2 with npgl, but had to cut
|> out the multicast stuff. And Sun is supposed to be the network guys...
|> 
|> My, bz is slow on a 4D/20.

Most things are.  :^)

|> And how do you get it to work smoothly over
|> different networks?  We have 4 machines on FDDI and 3 on ethernet.  3 of the
|> FDDI machines are also on the ethernet, but to get them to talk to one another
|> (since bz uses the default interface), I had to make one of the FDDI/ethernet
|> machines a multicast repeater, by changing the config file for some net d
|> or another (I forget which at the moment).  Anyway, people on the ethernet
|> machines seem to quit, then start up again, then quit, etc on all of the FDDI
|> machines except the repeater.  And they seriously jerk.  Is there any way
|> to make this smoother?

What version do you have?  This was a problem in some of the early (internal)
releases.

|> Is bz in general distribution?  I would rather not say where I got my copy.
|> And has the "Whoops...I can't fire anymore" bug been fixed?  I fixed it
|> when I added a new tank type (our favorite these days; Super Stealth, worth
|> 150 points).

The "whoops" bug was in a very early release.  In fact, in a version that
wasn't released to the public.... :^)  This version also didn't have a
throttle on the number of frames per second either.  If you've got version
2.0.3, send me more details.  If not, grab it from sgi.com via anonymous
ftp in ~ftp/sgi/bz.

|> And don't forget to kill ocean before you start playing; especially if in zoo
|> mode. You do run ocean, don't you?  Who doesn't? :-)

I don't -- I never see my background.  :^)

|> -- 
|> Ted Woodward (ted@cs.utexas.edu)
|> 
|> "Mad scientists HATE shopping for shoes!" -- Peaches

-- 

Chris Fouts				Email:  fouts@dallas.sgi.com
Systems Engineer			Phone:  (214)-788-4122
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems	Vmail:	8714
Dallas, TX

        "I'm as much of a non-conformist as everybody else."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: murali@IASTATE.EDU (B Muralidharan)
Subject: "PICTURE IN LOGIN ICON ??"
Reply-To: murali@IASTATE.EDU (B Muralidharan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:19:41 GMT

HI,
        I would like to know how to get picture in login icon above your
user name. Is there any reference book I can look into? What format the
picture should be? Is there any ftp site from where I can get the picture?

Thanks for your reply,

Murali
From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Xterm program
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine

In article <32197@adm.brl.mil>, fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.) writes:
 -- 
 -- When I run xterm from the iris to an x terminal,
 -- the .login file is not processed. 

Two ways to approach it:

1.  use 'xterm -ls ... ' - will help in your case

2.  Incorporate the .login into the .cshrc file and make a test early in
    there. This will work for all user admission agents, not just xterm.
    The actual tests you have to do can be rather complex, but csh lore
    recommends: ' if ( 0 == $?prompt ) exit 0 ' in .cshrc

                                   Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: laplante@ocgy.ubc.ca (Denis Laplante)
Subject: dump/restore pipe : files corrupted
Organization: UBC centre for non-deterministic computing, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:02:44 GMT

To duplicate the root and usr partition, I used the following command 
(adapted from  restore's  man page):
  dump 0f - /dev/rroot | (cd /mnt; restore xf -)
  dump 0f - /dev/rusr | (cd /mnt/usr; restore xf -)

But when I swapped disks and rebooted, I found /usr/etc/rpc.statd
dumped core, and to add insult to injury so did  /usr/bin/dbx !

With the old and new partitions mounted, and using diff to recursively compare
directory trees, I found 2 more corrupted files.  Using gnu emacs
'compare-windows' I found all 4 had the same corruption: somewhere in the
middle a byte had been duplicated, shifting the following over, and further on
a byte had been deleted, preseving the byte count but not the functionality :-)

Here's a summary showing at which byte the errors happen:

/usr/bin/dbx:
 	379690 	duplicate  (0214)
	389120 	delete 'J' (0112)
/usr/etc/rpc.statd:
	 50181	duplicate  (0250)
	 60416	DELETE ^H  ( 010)
/usr/etc/tcpd
	118648	duplicate SPC (040)
	131078	delete    NUL (00)
/usr/lib/libc_s.a
	443265	duplicate    (0246)
	458760	delete    NUL (00)

I renamed the bad files, and used 'cp' to make new copies.

As IRIX dump doesn't have a 'verify' option, and given the low percentage of
errors (4 in 300MB) I'm not sure how to pursue this further.  It may only
happen to me, or when using a pipe.  I have logged a call with SGI (call-id
118809).  I don't need to tell you how important it is for this backup
program to have perfect reliablility.

--	Denis Laplante <laplante@ocgy.ubc.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske)
Subject: NFS Question...
Originator: bryan@IRIX
Reply-To: bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske)
Organization: EAI, Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:56:54 GMT


If a line in my fstab looks like:

[machinename]:/usr/mp1 /usr/mp1 nfs bg,soft,timeo=28,retrans=16 0 0

                                    ^^^^^^^

should the 'bg' and 'soft' options prevent network lockups when one
machine (nfs server) goes down?  We have several sgi machines cross
mounted and it seems that whenever one goes down the hard way (and
sometimes even when its brought down nicely) the rest of the machines
lock up.  That is to say, you can log in, but get no prompt in any 
of the shells.

Man pages lead me to believe that I might need different values for
timeout and retransmission.

Trying to find the right FM to R...


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Bryan Manske.



-- 
Bryan Manske  (515) 296-9908        . 
Engineering Animation, Inc.         .            I'm sorry, Dave,     
bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu            .      I'm afraid I can't do that.
#include <caveat_opinion.h>         . 
#include <standard_disclaimer.h>    .               HAL and I.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: louis@nrcsp1.iar.nrc.ca (Louis Bolduc)
Subject: Problem with snapshot of pop-up menus...
Originator: louis@nrcsp1.iar.nrc.ca
Organization: National Research Council
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:17:37 GMT


I'm trying to snapshot the pop-up menus of our applications for documentation
purposes. This worked fine with pre-4.0 IRIX. With our current version (4.0.5),
When I 'ipaste' a snapshot of a pop-up menu, it comes out blue (!)

Any idea why 'snapshot' doesn't save the right colors?



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From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Need Help in Selecting a COLOR PRINTER for SGI machines
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:08:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <13489@pogo.wv.tek.com> davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com writes:
>In article <BtyHxt.Lrv@acsu.buffalo.edu> ingle@acsu.buffalo.edu (Nitin Ingle) writes:
>>We have recently purchased a few SGI machines. According to the SGI people
>>we will have to get the color printers from a third party as they do not
>>supply them. Could anyone give us information as to what types of common
>>paper color printers are available and how much they cost? Also, any 
>>comments regarding the quality of prints will be appreciated. The printer
>>should be able to handle PostScript files apart from all the formats available
>>on SGI machines like RGB files.

David Haight of Tektronix posts some very valid information.  The
reason for the cost difference between the Phaser II SX and PXi (and
the Phaser III RX and PXi) is that on the SX and RX printers, the
PostScript and SGI Image rendering is being done in software on the
host.  Only a bitmap is sent to the printer, and thus the printer can
be much less expensive.  

As a side-effect, printing of complex PostScript and SGI Images can be
MUCH faster, since SGI's CPUs are a lot faster than the AMD 29000's
used in the PXi interpreters.

Cheers,

David Story                        	        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com				Mountain View, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: tg@utstat.uucp (Tom Glinos)
Subject: Re: multi-processor R4000 machines
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:50:27 GMT

In article <patqfu0@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <1992Sep1.205152.693@portal.vpharm.com> markm@portal.vpharm.com (Mark Murcko) writes:
>| Can anyone give the net a sense of when the multi-processor R4000
>| machines may truly be available, how many processors, what they will
>
>Anybody who knows can't say.  You'll just have to wait for
>announcements.  Anybody who can say, either doesn't know, or
>doesn't respect the non-disclosure agreements they sign, so they
>probably aren't reliable sources...

Dave is being a bit harsh.

Based on public talks given by SGI reps. Expect boxes to ship
sometime in early 1Q/2Q '93. Expect to see boxes that can support
a modest number of processors, pick a small power of two. :-)
If you follow the market carefully and watch SGI closely, 
this seems quite reasonable.

I hesitate because I'm about to sign a non-disclosure that will give
me more precise details. At that stage, my mouth becomes sealed.
-- 
=================
No regrets, ever!			| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics
For down that path, lies madness	| tg@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: myers@nosc.mil (Margaret E. Myers)
Subject: DGL refuses connection from SPARCStation
Keywords: DGL Sun
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:39:10 GMT

Hi all.

We recently ran into a perplexing problem after I upgraded our
4D/30 to 4.0.1.

A user on a SPARCStation 2 had previously been able to do a remote
shell to the SGI to run some graphics programs. Now his TCP connection
is refused.  The error can be replicated by trying to a "rsh blanktime 0"
from the command line. The most interesting part of this problem is that
the command CAN be executed from another SGI machine. It seems to be a
Sun/SGI problem. (Yes, both the Sun and the second SGI are in the .rhosts
file). Rsh's to do such things as execute the date command work fine.

From Sun(bette) to SGI(kate):

  %rsh kate blanktime 0
  (long pause)
  %dgl error (TCP connect): Connection refused
  %dgl error (default init): default dglopen(brackett@bette,4) returned -127 

From SGI(hermes)to SGI(kate):

   %rsh kate blanktime 0
   %

Sorry if this is a FAQ.

Thanks for any help.

Margaret Myers
myers@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: friedman@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ed Friedman)
Subject: Re: Image Tools
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:10:00 GMT

Are you referring to the Image Tools from SDSC. If so there is library
of callable routines to allow you build your own version of a tool.

The library and the tools are available by anonymous ftp from
sdsc.sdsc.edu.  Ed Friedman NYU/ACF
From: ems@work.wpd.sgi.com (Ed Sesek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Which printers supported by Impressario?
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:37:13 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Aug24.122935@gorgo.gsfc.nasa.gov> sullivan@gorgo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dan sullivan) writes:


>	Does anyone know if Impressario supports the Talaris 1590 T?
>Or which printers are supported? We want to buy a postscript b/w
>laser printer supported by Impressario. Will it be necessary to buy
>support for a specific printer? 

Impressario supports the following b/w laser printers:

	Apple LaserWriter IINT, NTX, F, and G
	HP LaserJet IIP, IIP+, III, IIIP

All of the software needed to drive these printers is included with
Impressario.

Note that the HP's do not need the optional PostScript cartidge.
Impressario includes a host-based PostScript interpreter to allow printing
of PostScript documents to non-PostScript printers.

Other PostScript printers are not officially supported, however, if the
printer behaves EXACTLY as one of the LaserWriters mentioned above,
it should work.  We have seen some problems with QMS for example.
Due to their ASP technology the printer never returns an "idle" status,
so Impressario will not send it a print job.  Thus, we currently do
not claim support for these printers

Ed Sesek
Silicon Graphics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: pckizer@tamsun.tamu.edu (Philip Kizer)
Subject: Re: Elm mailer return path
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:00:46 GMT

joffe%rtsmv1.decnet@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>The address of my local machine is joffe@gts01, but in order for it
>to get to me from a remote site it has to go through a machine called
>gts.elan.af.mil. My address would therefore have to be specified as
>joffe@gts01@gts.elan.af.mil.
>
>	Is there a way to force Elm to specify this as my return path?  I know
>this can be done using Pine, but I would prefer to use Elm.

Certainly...
First, that should probably be joffe%gts01@gts.elan.af.mil with a percent
rather than an at symbol to be a proper routing address for sendmail.

To do this, you must have allowed elm to create a .elm directory.  Create a
file in the .elm directory named elmheaders.  Put the Reply-To: header you
want to appear on all of your messages into this file as such...

--- ${HOME}/.elm/elmheaders -------------------------------------------------
Reply-To: joffe%gts01@gts.elan.af.mil
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

And this line will be put in the header of every message elm sends out.

enjoy,
philip

____________________________________________________________ Philip Kizer ___
Texas A&M Unix Help Desk ( 12D Zach - 847-UNIX )             pckizer@tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: help with tablet support
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:48:12 GMT

In <davison.714783355@sfu.ca> davison@selkirk.sfu.ca (R. Davison) writes:

| Has anyone out there got a generic (or any other) tablet driver for
| IRIX 4.0x?
| 
| Some sources at sgi claim that tablets are/were supported,
| but said sources have been unable to provide us with the
| necessary software to drive tablets.
| 
| I think the needed file is tabletd, which has been reported in
| either /usr/gfx or in /etc/gl.  Neither of which are on any of
| our machines.

tabletd is gone in 4.0.1.  See the sample drives under
~4Dgifts/examples/devices/input/io (installed as part of
eoe2.sw.giftsfull, as I recall).  These are now kernel
drivers.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 8mm and dd
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:17:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Sep1.135248.25555@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> merritt@climate.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John H. Merritt) writes:

| |> In article <1992Aug31.192332.26751@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, merritt@climate.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John H. Merritt) writes:
| |> > 
| |> > I have noticed that if the input file has an odd number of bytes and
| |> > you output to the variable block device,  that the entire file will
| |> > not be written; the last byte will be missing.
| |> 
| |> By the way, this should not be happening.  Do you have a simple test
| |> case that can make it happen?

Is the 8mm attached to the builtin SCSI, or to the jag VME SCSI board?

| The example is trivial.  Pick a file with an odd number of bytes, gee,
| coincidently my /etc/motd has 21 bytes and give it a spin-da-da.
| 
| climate> dd if=/etc/motd of=/dev/nrv8mm
| climate> mt -t /dev/nrv8mm rew
| climate> dd if=/dev/nrv8mm of=newmotd
| climate> diff /etc/motd newmotd
| 2d1
| < Welcome to climate.
| climate>

Works fine for me on the integral SCSI (and yes, the byte count
of my /etc/motd is in fact odd (57 bytes)).
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: kzhan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: C compiler on IRIS 4D
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:39:26 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca
Keywords: cc, ld


I don't know if this is a FAQ. The question I have is very simple. I don't know
how to link built-in lib?.a's. I also want to know if there is a description of
contents of lib in /usr/lib ? (Which library contains what files). The manual I 
have seems not complete. Thank you in advance.


K. Zhan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: doctor@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Terry Fong)
Subject: how come xterm does not update /etc/utmp?
Summary: xterm's killed via KillClient do not update /etc/utmp
Keywords: xterm, IRIX, utmp
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:29:35 GMT

I've noticed that if I logout from the console with xterm's still
running, the /etc/utmp file does not seem to get updated correctly. In
particular, even though I have no processes running on the machine, I
still appear to be logged in (i.e., "finger", "who", "w" all report
that I'm still logged in, though idle).

A simple theory is that /etc/utmp does not get updated correctly when
4dwm exits (which signals the end of a session and kills off all
active X clients, i.e. the xterms, via XKillClient). Is this the case?
If so, is this a generic problem with XTerm, X or is it a bug in the
release I'm running (IRIX 4.0.5, and /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config setup 
with "DisplayManager._0.terminateServer: True").

-Terry


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 "You do not understand anything     | Terry Fong <terry@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
  until you understand it in more    | NASA Ames, M/S 269-3, Moffett Field, CA
  than one way..." -- Marvin Minsky  | (415) 604-6063, FTS-464-6063
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale)
Subject: How do I dump a window to a color postscript printer?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:56:07 GMT

We currently have an SGI running IRIX 4.0.1, and wish to convert
a given window to color postscript so that it can be printed.

If you know how to do this, please email or post to this group.

Thanks,

Steve

-- 
Steven Miale - spm2d@virginia.edu   | The problem with sweeping
Undergraduate Researcher            | generalizations is that they
Department of Computer Science      | are all wrong.
University of Virginia              |
From: bobg@rains.wpd.sgi.com (Bob Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Problems to run quickpaint under IRIX 4.04 - Need Help
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:20:23 GMT
Reply-To: bobg@rains.wpd.sgi.com (Bob Green)
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Sep4.051641.24255@news.uni-stuttgart.de>, wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>    Hey,
|> 
|>    I have problems to start quickpaint (former SGI Imagetool) under
|>    IRIX 4.04 with following error message :
|> 
|>         /dev/queue: No such file or directory
|> 
|> 
|>    What can I do to use this program again ?

QuickPaint and QuickModel were not ported to IRIX 4.0 or
its offspring.  The only way to continue using them is to
stay at the 3.3 level of IRIX.

QuickPaint and QuickModel were originated by Alias.  You may
want to contact them for follow-on products.

|> 
|>    Thanks for your efforts,
|> 
|> -- 
|>  Name : Oliver Kretzschmar   Inst.IKE / Uni.Stuttgart    /   @@ \   /   @@ \
|>  email: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de   \______// \\______/
|>  Phone: +49 711 685 2130        Pfaffenwaldring 31              |   |
|>  Fax  : +49 711 685 2010        7000 Stuttgart 80               \___/

Thanks,
Bob Green