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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Good Road Race bikes for about $600
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Date: 25 JUL 92 16:07:45    
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
Keywords: What is the nub?
Summary: Gian Yukon Question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  

In article <98gmzj@lynx.unm.edu>, bdombrow@triton.unm.edu (brent m 92jun08 dombrowski) writes...
> 
>	I just recently bought a Giant Yukon.  On the non gear side of the
>frame, there is a little nub that sticks out.  I is about an inch from the rear
>axle on the lower part of the frame.  I have no idea what it is for and the 
>people at the bike shop are baffled too.  Anyone out there have any ideas?
> 
>	--------------
>	\	     |\
>	 \	     | \
>	  \	     |  \
>	   \         |   \
>	    \-----------o-
> 
>	The "o" is the little nub I am talking about
> 
>Side View
> 
>	_
>	 |_
>	   \
>	  _/
>	_|
> 
>Anybody know?

    Does it look like it is supposed to be there?  It may be a weld knob.
A hot piece of weld may have jumped out and stuck to your frame right there,
when they welded it together.  It may be an attempt at a rack braze on or the
like.  I dunno.

     Joel Brodsky  jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                   jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                   jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                   jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: pirzyk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim Pirzyk)
Subject: Re: flat states (was Re: centuries)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:54:14 GMT

In <1992Jul21.182802.989@craycos.com> lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:

>In article <Brqw2L.2MM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pirzyk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim Pirzyk) writes:
>>In <1992Jul20.170802.57367@cc.usu.edu> bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn) writes:
>>
>>The rest of the state (like the Champaign area) is typical farm land, but
>>you cannot see for miles (at best a mile though).

>You can't see for miles because there is nothing to stand on so you can
>see over the corn...

Since Illinois has been a drought since the begining of the summer, the corn
is about only shoulder high, and that does not account for the soybeans.  
About half of the fields I see are soybeans.

- Jim


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From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:33:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

 dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) writes:

>ObTrivia:  What is the correct pronunciation of the French town of "Reims"?

We lovers of sparkling wine do indeed know how to pronounce it.  We 
cannot, however explain how it with ASCII characters!  The best I can
do is to say that it sounds like Felix Unger clearing his throat.

-Bud
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: headset problems
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:38:23 GMT

In article <92135@bu.edu>, hairless@buitc.bu.edu (Bill Yu) writes:
|> 
|> I have been trying to install a new headset on my old clunker
|> and have had a problem trying to get the new race onto my fork.
|> From what I have heard and read, all you need to do is gently
|> tap the race onto the fork but this isn't working for me as I 
|> need to really whack it to get any part of it to stay on the 
|> steerer tube. I tried banging on it with a rubber mallet but
|> the race won't sit on the fork evenly.  
|> 
|> Any suggestions?

Yeah, don't be a cheapskate.  Take it to a good bike store, where they'll ream out your head tube and fit it correctly, it'll be cheaper than a mashed frame.  Trust me.

David.
From: gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: AVO31
Date: 30 Jul 1992 18:20:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: glacier.berkeley.edu

Quick question:  Does the Avocet 31 take the same battery as
the Avocet 30?  I just had my 30 replaced with the 31, and the
casing looks a bit bigger.

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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:42:14 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines):
>In article <1992Jul21.211806.21416@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes:
>
>   I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and now,
>   two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are still
>   slightly numb and I'm still experiencing weakness in my whole hand.   
>   The doctor says it's the same nerve that gets hit when you wack your 
>   funny bone, and that the feeling will return in a week to 10 days.   
>   But what about the power?   I can't fret a barre chord on my guitar anymore!
>
>Yes, I've had exactly the same problem, in both hands, after cycling
>centuries and week-long tours. My doctor also said it was the nerve in
>the elbow, the same one associated with the funny bone (can't remember
>what he called it). You can feel the nerve in the groove in the
>inside-back of the elbow (i.e. with your arm bent and your palm facing
>upwards, it's underneath your elbow beside the bony lump that is
>nearest to you. If you poke around in there it feels a bit weird). In
>my case the symptoms were quite severe: I couldn't straighten those
>fingers at all for several days. Don't worry about it. Full control
>and power comes back in about a week.

I do not get numb in my hands during long rides. The longes ride I have done
is 18 1/2 hour of (more or less) continues riding. But I do have a problem
with the nerve in the elbow. A doctor told me that the nerves have to 'pass'
the elbow in a small channel in the bone structure. If the channel is a bit
too small, then you may get problems. Sometime I get a numb feeling from the
elbow and out to the two small fingers (ring and pinky). It does not get
better nor wors when cycling. When I got severe 'nerver problems' I can feel
it from my shoulder and to the fingertips. My arm get a bit numb and I got a
continues feeling of getting stunged by cold/warm needles.

If you get 'nerve problems' in your palm, use god glowes with a thick layer
of protecting material in the palm area.

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* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.   *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
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From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:28:31 GMT

In article <c2mm!8#.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>I use a pickup truck with a permanent rack. A better idea is a van.

I'm really pretty confused about your reason for responding to this thread.
The original poster wanted help deciding between two roof racks.  I don't
think he really wanted to know what kind of vehicle he should be driving.
You don't use a roof rack, and your only recommendation is to
not use them. 
>>
>>Noisy?  Probably depends on the car and the location you have the rack.
>>On my Eclipse, the rack is mounted on the hatch, and there is very little
>>added noise.
>
>I don't understand what you're saying here. It sounds like you have a
>trunk rack.
>
Ummm, no.  The front tower is mounted on the roof, and the rear tower is
mounted on the bottom of the hatch.  It's most definitely a roof rack.
>
>If you want to drive a couple of hundred miles to a century or a
>race and then leave your bike on your roof rack to be stolen, that
>is your option. It happens all the time.

Sure, anything can get stolen no matter how it is secured.  I am not
so paranoid that I am going to buy a van to drive my bike around
in, nor do I think it would be any more secure.  I have a high quality 
(Yakima) rack with locks.  If they steal the bike, so be it.  That's what 
insurance is for.

>>
>>>Bike racks are made to transport bikes, not to safely store them.
>>
>>Who suggested otherwise?  
>
>Sean, the previous thread had asked what the 'best' lock and rack
>combination was. The answer, as I pointed out, is _none_.

The subject of this thread is "yakima vs. thule opinions wanted".
If you want to contribute to this subject please do.  When a subject
of a thread is "use of roof racks vs. buying a van" then please
repost your original article.

If you wish to continue this discussion, please send me email, ok?

Shouldn't this "yakima vs. thule" info be put into the FAQ, or is
it already there?

--
Sean
sean@cs.tamu.edu
From: pej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Phil Jensen)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:04:46 GMT
Subject: Re: ESPN & TDF -Sour Grapes Y/N
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, kchu@romulus.rutgers.edu (Kyle Trott Chu) writes:
> 
> First of all, let me applaude ESPN's actually TDF shows.
> It shows they can do a good job with cycling
> 
> Has anyone been watching ESPN's Sports Center nightly wrap ups of
> the days and yesterday's events????
> 
> In the last few days, I've noticed a certain caviler attitude
> with two of the announcers...
> 
> Ex. Yesterday
> In announcing the TDF, the announcer, states in a fit of laughter
> before the commericals...
> 
> Upcoming is the coverage from yesterday's Tour de France...
> 
> that I know all of you have been looking foward to...right (!!!!!!!)
> 

They did exactly the same thing with the America's Cup. Same guys.
Hey, face it, if it warn't played in high school, it must be one of 
them commie pinko sports. Unfortunately, a lot of "sports fans" in
America would agree with them.

---------------------
Phil Jensen
pej@hpfcpej.fc.hp.com
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From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:37:59 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <l7ambiINN14p@news.bbn.com> ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns) writes:
>jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) writes:
>
>>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels ...
>
>Avocet makes a four pronged version that fits quite nicely on 32 spoke hubs.
>It's on my wheel right over there in the corner of my office ...see?
>Sorry I don't know the part number, but it is available.
>

This is puzzling.  I've heard it before.

All wheels have a multiple of four spokes.

Why isn't the four pronged version standard?

-dk
From: billc@motatl.UUCP (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: How do I mount a computer on fat fork MTB?
Keywords: MTB, ATB, computer, fork
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:06:34 GMT
Organization: Motorola Technical Systems Division, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Jul29.180259.2727@webo.dg.com>, dai@kevlar.rtp.dg.com (Dave Iwatsuki) writes:

   <snip, snip, snip>

> Or is there a different brand of computer that would work? The ads for ACT
> claim their's fits all oversize forks. I've seen Avocets on MTBs, but the flat
> part of the DS2 dropout may be a tight fit for the sensor.
> 

I have a C-Dale MTB with oversize forks. The only computer that I could
find at my local shop  which mounted easily was a Ciclomaster. As a
bonus it's supposed to be waterproof - no problems so far. :-)

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From: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (Jim Stukas)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins - NOT a matter of taste
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (Jim Stukas)
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <b2lm4y#.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> I guess it's a matter of taste concerning Barry Tompkins.
> 
> A friend of mine who bicycles LOTS (18,000mi/yr +) and is
> pretty well informed about racing and tapes all of the TV
> coverage tells me that he really likes Tompkins coverage.
> 
> I listened to him and to tell you the truth, I didn't see
> anything one way or the other.
> 
> 
I regretfully must inform you that it is NOT a matter of taste re: Barry  
Tomkins.  He IS awful.  Sorry...

  Signed,
          Jim
Official Net.arbitrator.of.taste. :-)
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From: arpepper@math.waterloo.edu (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: TdF stats after 16 stages (long)
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:02:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.130105.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	Overall standings after 16 stages (from "Marca", Spain).
>
>	General:
>1	Indurain	BAN	79:50:00

>127	De Clercq	LOT  >3:30:00
>128     van Poppel	PDM
>129	Kappes		TEL
>130	Manders		HEV
>131	Quevedo		AMA  @3:54:06  last rider

So, do they still award a "lanterne rouge"?  If Manders drops off the
back of the peleton, does Quevedo make sure he drops back as well, and
so-on?  On fast flat stages where everyone otherwise tends to finish
together, do they have a slow-riding competition towards the end,
although ultimately limited by the maximum finishing time for the
stage?

Adrian.
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From: GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:44:05 GMT

In article <29JUL199206591541@bestsd.sdsu.edu>,
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
>In article <rlewis.712385222@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Rober writes...
>>There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
>>from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow
>>to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to
>>the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn
>>hand signal in your area.
>
> I always use the right-handed
>pointed-straight-out method because I think it is more clear.

In California, at least according to the "Good Driver Handbook"
which I read in the line to get my license at the DMV, both are
recognized.  I prefer pointing with the right hand as well.

>I think that there are a number of people out there, in cars, who don't know
>what the left handed right turn signal means.

They know exactly what it means, and they smile and wave back, then
wonder why you turned right.

>Come to think of it though, I rarely see cyclists use any signal on a right
>hand turn.

I rarely see anyone signal a right turn, in any vehicle, or even
left turns for that matter.

Drew
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:56:13 GMT

Awhile back I mentioned the special deals on air tickets and bicycle
transport that are available to USCF licensees but I couldn't put my
hands on the references.  Happily it just emerged from a paper pile on
my desk.

If you are travelling to (or near) any of the thousands of sanctioned
USCF races or meetings and can get there on United Airlines, you may
get a special deal and be able to bring your bike along for free by calling
 800 841-0460
and mentioning Code #520NK.

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From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Subject: Re: Why Are Power Bars Banned in Canada?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.134038.18725@dragon.acadiau.ca> 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
>The story I got from the local bike shop is because of the word "power"
>in the name.  The cdn government doesn't this "misleading" title and banned
>the bars from being brought in cdn bike shops.  They will allow the shops
>who have them to sell the rest of the stock they have, so this leads me to 
>believe that there is no illegal substance in them, or they would have
>been pulled from the shelves. IMHO.
>

Well the story I heard from the government is that they were allowed to sell
them off, but importing them is considered drug smuggling.


>Stacy Janes 	Bell_Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario
>
>** Standard discliamers apply **

Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca
From: jv04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES VOROSMARTI)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:03:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Jul.23.21.30.52.1992.11220@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net
(Shag) writes:
>bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:
>
>>Road          Bikes?  PA Town         NJ Town         Bridge Name
>>US 30         ok      Philadelphia    Camden          Ben Franklin
>>PA 73, NJ 73  ok      Philadelphia    Palmyra         Tacony-Palmyra
>>PA 413, NJ 541        ok      Croydon/Bristol Burlington
>
>Now the only thing I don't know is whether these bridges require me to _walk_
>the bike over [I'm riding with TIME shoes and pedals, walking sucks] or maybe
>actually let me _ride_ it somewhere [in the lane? on the side?]  I know the
>Bristol bridge is a narrow bridge and has a speed limit low enough that I
>couldn't be ticketed for obstructing traffic... ;)
>
>Anyone know more about this?

Yes, most of the bridges that are mentioned, at least between washington's
crossing and belvedere NJ, are marked "WALK BIKES"  they are mosstly narrow
two-lane cheese-grater style bridges with a sidewalk on one or both sides.
They have delaware river police that sit inside airconditioned huts on both
sides watching TV that will yell at you of you ride across.  Earl, a friend of mine
was yelled at by a cop at one end who radioed to his counterpart on the other
end who tried to stop him but earl managed to swerve by the cop (note: this is
not a suggestion on what to do, i usually walk, or "scooter" my bike across)

>
>-Shag

ttfn james
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From: fauvel@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Sylvain Fauvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: fauvel@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Sylvain Fauvel)
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <rjg.712346442@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
>The Ottawa bike paths have an interesting obstacle that the streets do not,
>pedestrians! 

	We have the same problem in Montreal, expecially on the "Canal
    lachine" path along the St-Laurent.  This spring, the city started
    making a parallel path for pedestrians only (with gravel so that
    cyclist will not be tempted to use them).  I think this is a great
    solution.  The  problem is that nice place for cycling are also
    very nice for pedestrians.
>
>Pedestrians have this amazing ability to suddenly move in a direction at
>right angles to their previous course. On a bike path that is 2m wide at best
>this movement can cause problems.
>
>A very common occurance is to come upon two people walking abrest to the center
>right of the path (note that single file is the only officially sanctioned
>method for using the path, yeah right who is going to walk single file) with
>a cyclist approaching from the rear. The cyclist has two choices
>	1) Announce the intention to pass the pedestrian. This usually causes
>	the pedestrian to move suddenly to one side or the other, into the
>	previously clear path the cyclist had intended to use.
>or
>	2) Approach quietly and whip by before they pedestrians can detect
>	the bike. This is generally safer for the cyclist and allows speed
>	to be maintained as pedestrians, unless disturbed, tend to continue
>	in straight lines. This act tends to scare pedestrians as they are
>	not used to having objects of equivalent mass move by them at
>	relative velocities of 15-30km/hour. Cyclists of course are used to
>	having objects 10-100 times their mass moving by with these relative
>	velocities.
>
>There is also the common presence of random balistic obstacles, or children
>as they are more commonly known by those who posses them. Children tend to
>wander in whatever direction inspires them the most at that time. If a 
>pretty flower on the other side of the path gets their attention they will
>step right in front of an oncoming bicycle. Parents that usually lock their
>children up in the back yard rather than risk them wander onto the 
>low traffic street they live on
>think nothing of taking their cherished child for a walk along the bicycle
>path.

	Agreed.  The only thing that scares me more than being hit by a car
    is to hit a kid.  In both case the problem is that, no mater how careful
    you are, it can happen!!!  I'll do my part, i hope others will do it too.
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