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From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Passing primes
Date: 26 Jul 92 11:32:27 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

In article <76381@ut-emx.uucp>, rkcorell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Corell) writes:
> 
>   Quite a few of us in the Texas Juggling Society (Austin)
> have a mathematical bent and discovered an interesting 
> pseudo-competitive passing pattern.  Its just passing
> primes, or the inverse, passing non-primes.
>   Has anyone else tried this?  And does anyone know any
> other good numerical series to try this out with?

Sounds like a jugglers' version of 'whizz buzz' or other games we palyed as a
kid. You start counting, one at atime in turns (eg I styart with oine,next kid
says two and so on). When you get to a number containing (eg) a 7, or a
multiple of seven you say 'whizz'. for 3's it's 'buzz' and for both int he same
number it's 'click'

so you get: 1 2 buzz 4 5 buzz whizz 8 buzz 10 11 buzz buzz [13 contains 3]
whizz buzz 16 whizz buzz 19 20 click [21]

now assign doubles,passes, pirouettes as appropriate...

ken
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From: dean@white.rtsg.mot.com (Richard Dean)
Subject: Juggling and Early Childhood
Reply-To: dean@gold.rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:34:07 GMT

i'm interested in knowing, at what age a child possesses
the mental ability, motor skills, and hand-eye coordination
to begin juggling.  naturally it will vary from child to
child.  i imagine that in performers' families that this
is begun at a pretty young age, so i am interested in the
experiences of others.

thanks,
/richard

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: steven ragatz <ragatzs@banana.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: devil stick building
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:29:11 -0500

Ahem...  I do know something about devil sticks.  To avoid any confusion
with the religious crowd, I refer to them as rhythm sticks.

If you want to build a cheap beginning stick this can be done with some
carpet scraps and a dowel rod.  Cut the carpet as shown:

*                                        * ^
*  *                                 *   * |
*        *                    *          * |
*              *        *                * |
*                  ***                   * ??"
*              *        *                * |
*        *                    *          * |
*  *                                 *   * |
*                                        * |
<------------------ 26" -----------------> 

Cut the dowel into two hand sticks (whatever size you want) and the
stick core 26".  Roll the carpet onto the stick applying rubber
cement.  The ??" length of the carpet is determined by the carpet
thickness.  Because the carpet is cut in this shape, the resulting stick
will be tapered on each end.  Wall paper will work as well.  Use small 
strips of carpet on the hand sticks.

The better way is to turn your own.  I use white maple.  A hardwood is
better.  (Stupid vendors).  24" or 26" long, 1.5" on each end tapering
to .75" in the middle.  If you use a soft wood (Boo!) then the center
needs to be thicker.  Don`t bother building hand sticks.  Buy them from
Todd Smith ("Todd is God").

For the really fancy hardwood sticks with inlay and laminates look up
an old posting on moocow.

-     Steve


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From: terry@santafe.edu (Terry Jones)
Subject: moocow...
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:21:34 MDT

Moocow's IP number is 129.79.238.12
Ftp and the mail server are both functional now.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: videos in uk format please
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:58:46 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Jul29.100124.7878@vax.oxford.ac.uk> zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse) writes:

>I remember reading somtime ago that someone in the UK was producing UK video
>formats fo IJA videos. I have a friend particulalry interested int he michael
>moschen (man of the moment!) video, so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me
>how to get hold of it.

>remember, that's UK format not USA so direct mail from IJA is probably no use.

>cheers

>ken

He means PAL encoding; and almost certainly VHS format (still a few diehard 
BETAMAX users around)

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From: terry@santafe.edu (Terry Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: *** IMPORTANT *** The demise of piggy, the arise of moocow.
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:40:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

Poor old piggy got zapped in an electrical storm in Bloomington 48
hours ago. The ethernet card (at least) is rather fried and as a
result piggy is not on the network at all at the moment. A new card
may be ordered and piggy may live again someday.

All is not lost. The disk with all the ftp stuff on it has been moved
to another machine, and as of sometime tomorrow, you will be able to
access it via ftp and mail request as usual. We're in the process of
sorting out a million and one things and the juggling stuff hasn't had
the highest priority.

The new machine is named moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu and for the
purposes of rec.juggling, piggy no longer exists.

Remember, it's moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu

Terry Jones (terry@santafe.edu)
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Montreal Championships Results.
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:17:12 EDT
	<92209.164313NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA's message of 27 Jul 92 16:43:13 EDT

In article <92209.164313NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:

   Fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton) writes:

   >And, of course, Michael Moschen was brilliant.  He seems to be working with
   >straight lines now - his first routine used one steel bar about a foot long,
   >and the second used two bars.  The finale was the hoop routine he did on the
   >PBS show.  He rather pointedly (I thought) didn't do any contact juggling.
   >The day before he had given a two-hour workshop on intellectual property -
   >he believes, since he originated it, other jugglers shouldn't do it.

   Moschen's routine with the single and double chrome
   bars is actually quite old. I say it
   several years ago on a (PBS?) show called "Live from
   Off Center". On this show he also did a similar routine with
   a tetrahedron made of bars. Personally, I was very pleased that
   he did his less "exposed" stuff.

All this and more (crystal spheres, the triangle, another bounce
routine with a horizontal circle of steel plate suspended 1 foot off
the floor [wonderful sounds], dance routines with other shapes, more)
were in the "In Motion" show he toured with this spring.  Added up to
about 2 hours in all.  Now I wish I had written that show up when it
was still fresh.

"other jugglers shouldn't do it" is a bit overstated.  He has no
problem with hobbyists trying it out.  Performers or authors earning
money at it without any permission or royalty arrangement he does,
especially if it is done "badly" (his judgement of course).  He tried
to distinguish between creation and performance too; no one would
disagree with his lock on creation of many tricks, and he does
acknowledge Don Reed (probably not the originator either) for prior
performance, maybe creation, of some 2-ball hand rolling moves.
--
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From: jns@inoms.bellcore.com (Jesse N. Schell)
Subject: Juggling in Pittsburgh?
Keywords: Pittsburgh Carnegie-Mellon Avocado
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:26:45 GMT

I'm going to be starting grad school at Carnegie Mellon in the Fall, and
I've heard that the Pittsburgh juggling scene is pretty hip. Is this true?
Does CMU have a club, or Pitt? or what? Who do I see? Where do I go? Can I
take my shoes off when I get there? 


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From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Ed Carstens on Renegade
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:40:56 GMT

In article <92208.154556NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA  
writes:
> On the last Renegade Stage in Montreal, Ed Carstens did
> this really cool looking ball pattern.
> 
> Ed, could you tell us what this was? I wasn't even
> sure how many balls you had, although I was almost
> certain it was a standard site swap pattern.
>   David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
>   NAYLORD@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA

Thank you, David!  I wish I could have seen the looks on your faces but I could  
barely see the balls with the lights in my eyes.  How about a Canadian penny  
for each person who correctly guesses what I did?  (I'm playing it safe --I  
know some of you will get it :-).  Hint:  it was NOT a siteswap.

BTW, Rob Corell, I tried prime passing once with a friend of mine (Rolla Rob)  
years ago but we never got much past 23 or so....   and I thot nobody else had  
such weird ideas.  Now I know.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 16:43:13 EDT
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Montreal Championships Results.

Fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton) writes:

>And, of course, Michael Moschen was brilliant.  He seems to be working with
>straight lines now - his first routine used one steel bar about a foot long,
>and the second used two bars.  The finale was the hoop routine he did on the
>PBS show.  He rather pointedly (I thought) didn't do any contact juggling.
>The day before he had given a two-hour workshop on intellectual property -
>he believes, since he originated it, other jugglers shouldn't do it.

Moschen's routine with the single and double chrome
bars is actually quite old. I say it
several years ago on a (PBS?) show called "Live from
Off Center". On this show he also did a similar routine with
a tetrahedron made of bars. Personally, I was very pleased that
he did his less "exposed" stuff.

My biggest complaint about this year's convention was that the gym
wasn't air conditioned. (I didn't get the "IJA Weight Loss Program
- The Meal Plan" - as Bob Nickerson put it).
 Why pay $60 (entire week) for a gym pass when the nicest
place to juggle is outside? BTW, we were extremely
lucky with the weather. If it had been hot and muggy (which it
ussually is), the gym would have been completely intolerable.
Even with the cool weather, when everyone crammed into the gym
for Moschen's workshop, it was like a sauna.

Still, all-in-all a great convention. Having the Championships
and Public show in a REAL theatre was fantastic. I wish the IJA
would make this a priority, even if the tickets cost a quite
a bit more.

Does anyone know what the facilities will be like in Fargo?


  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  NAYLORD@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Greg Maes <S088837@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU>
Subject:      Diablo Anyone?
X-Acknowledge-To: <S088837@UMRVMA>
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:25:35 CDT

I will try once more to send this, I don't know why it is not being posted.


Greetings and salivations everyone,
    At last years IJA convention I purchased a diablo, and since then I have
learned all of the tricks I have seen. Does anyone have any interesting tricks
they have learned that they would like to share?

    Also don't forget the 1rst Annual Rolla Juggling Fest here in gloroius down
town Rolla Missouri (in the Heart of Missouri) Aug 7-9.


                                      Greg Maes

                                      One of the "Miner" Attractions at
                                      The Univ. Of Missouri-Rolla


QUESTION OF THE WEEK:
   Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

                        Answer to s088837@umrvma.umr.edu
From: fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Montreal Championships Results.
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:43:39 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In <92209.164313NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Moschen's routine with the single and double chrome
>bars is actually quite old. I say it
>several years ago on a (PBS?) show called "Live from
>Off Center".

No kidding?  Can you still get copies of that show?

> Why pay $60 (entire week) for a gym pass when the nicest
>place to juggle is outside? 

'twas indeed.  But the Renegade shows were held in the gym, along with
the vendors' tables and some workshops and demos, not to mention Moschen
and Lotte Brun.  I saw many people with
visitor's passes.  I wonder if there was any actual difference between
a gym pass and a visitor's pass?

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
lemon curry?
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: favorini-francis@CS.YALE.EDU (Francis Favorini)
Subject: Re: Montreal Numbers Results
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:41:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.150007.1447@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
>Did Boppo (Bruce Tiemann) not qualify or not enter?  I know he can do better
>than the winning run with balls (hell, I can do better) and he was
>hoping to do 7 clubs at this convention although he doesn't juggle
>well in the morning (a night owl like myself).

Numbers Competition was not very well attended or publicized, and it was,
I believe, held at 11 in the morning (so no Boppo).  Boppo did win the
five-ball endurance coming in just short of 38 minutes.  Peter McLaughlin
dropped just 15 seconds or so earlier.  The crowd was justifiably 
amazed.  I believe the current world record is 45 min. by Anthony Gatto.
(surprise)



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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: Montreal Championships Results.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:14:05 GMT

In <55081@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL) writes:

>suffered from drops.)  I'm glad to see that Mckinney won.  He gave a fine 
>performance last year at St. Louis where he took 3rd.  

Yes, McKinney gave a really great performance, and hit almost all his tricks.

>from all over the world competing.  Also, he expected the Public Show to be 
>really good -- but expensive.  $25 for the Public Show and $18 for the 
>championships.  

The public show was *very* good.  Peter Davison did a dancing/hat routine that
was absolutely flawless, and followed up with ball juggling that was so
smooth that it was hard to see the great technical difficulty of his tricks.
Although only four teams were in the team competition, Clockwork and Passing
Zone were both in the public show.  Clockwork did their flowerpot routine
from last year, and PZ did a very funny routine involving individual ring
juggling.

And, of course, Michael Moschen was brilliant.  He seems to be working with
straight lines now - his first routine used one steel bar about a foot long,
and the second used two bars.  The finale was the hoop routine he did on the
PBS show.  He rather pointedly (I thought) didn't do any contact juggling.
The day before he had given a two-hour workshop on intellectual property -
he believes, since he originated it, other jugglers shouldn't do it.

Oh, thanks to Kevin Delagrange for finding and returning my wallet intact :-)

The meal plan sucked.

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
lemon curry?
From: vogelges@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Ralf Vogelgesang)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: tricks wanted for 3-ball-book
Keywords: 3-ball-tricks
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:13:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <bies.711905132@mainz> bies@mainz.informatik.uni-kl.de (Bies Carlo - PA Sutter) writes:
>Wanted: 3-Ball-Tricks for new 3-Ball-Book. Send detailed description of your
>tricks (no standard tricks please, I already have those) including effect to
>be achieved and - if known - inventor of trick. If published, your name will
>be included with the description.

Assuming that your sincere intention is only to spread juggling skills...
why don't you post a collection of those tricks?  or  make an electronic
version of your book available through the net, eg at piggy-->moocow?


-- servus, Ralf
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Montreal Numbers Results
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:00:07 GMT

In article <92208.153652NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>   What happened to all you numbers guys out there?

Did Boppo (Bruce Tiemann) not qualify or not enter?  I know he can do better
than the winning run with balls (hell, I can do better) and he was
hoping to do 7 clubs at this convention although he doesn't juggle
well in the morning (a night owl like myself).

>  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler

C Frog
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Re: Montreal Numbers Results
Summary: about time
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:40 GMT

All kinds of people have been writing stuff like:
>>Numbers Competition was not very well attended or publicized...

I think the MC of Saturday's Renegade show, David Lichtenstein, summed
it up nicely, saying that the Renegades saved the IJA from being a
bunch of jugglers in sweaty gym socks doing numbers.  I watched the
numbers last year, and they were purty boring.  And I even had people
to pull for, namely the Cal Tech site swap guys.

There is a place for numbers in the IJA, and I think they've found it.
Sometime during the day (not the evening) when there are plenty of
other things going on.
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: devil stick info.
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:03:45 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Someone was asking about making their own devil stick. Mine is one of those
you see described in the catalogues as being Swiss made (Mister Babache?).
The dimensions are:
length = 65.5 cm (including 0.5 cm foam rubber disk at each end)
end diameter = about 3.2 - 3.4 cm
central diameter = about 1.7 - 1.8 cm
made out of ? your guess is as good as mine; some sort of hardwood - beech?
covered in plastic tape

Someone else was asking about books and devil sticks:
there's a section in Dave Finnigan's 'The Complete Juggler' written by Todd
Strong, but this material is also included in Todd's own, more extensive,
'The Devilstick Book'
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre
From: clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Passing primes
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:54:51 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

In article <76381@ut-emx.uucp>, rkcorell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Corell) writes:> 
>   Quite a few of us in the Texas Juggling Society (Austin)
> have a mathematical bent and discovered an interesting 
> pseudo-competitive passing pattern.  Its just passing
> primes, or the inverse, passing non-primes.
>   Has anyone else tried this?  And does anyone know any
> other good numerical series to try this out with?

My boyfriend, Bob, and I have been learning to pass, and have tried
variations on passing patterns to add interest.  Our favorite is
passing the digits of pi, i.e.

     3  . 1          4    1            5                    9
1 2 Pass Pass 1 2 3 Pass Pass 1 2 3 4 Pass 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Pass
              ^               ^                    ^

Some of the digits make for long non-passing runs, but the concentration
and memory required make it amusing.  We like to do this pattern, and
make our friends guess what the pattern is.  

You could spice up the pattern by adding tricks on specific other
non-passing counts, such as tricks on each 3 and 6 count, or perhaps
tricks on each previous pi digit count (marked with ^, above).  This
could be a real mind-twister.  

Of course you could pass on the digits of e, or any other favorite
constant you like.

-- 
    -- Clare Waterson
       Master Lucubrator

                   ``Wake up and smell the Cat Food'' -- They Might Be Giants
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: craig@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Ralph Craig)
Subject: Devil Sticks: Help
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: rec.juggling
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:38:37 GMT

	I have just taken a woodworking class and I have decided that a 
nice easy first lathe project would be to turn a set of devil sticks.
What I need now is a set of dimensions and suggestions on what type of
wood would be best (based on hardness, density, etc.) Also, if you have any
tips on fine-tuning the balance, I would greatly appreciate it.
	BTW, I don't know how to do devil sticks yet, that's my next project.

Ralph Craig`
craig@math.ncsu.edu
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: devil stick building
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:57:31 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Jul29.152923.19783@news.cs.indiana.edu> ragatzs@banana.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz) writes:

>Ahem...  I do know something about devil sticks.  To avoid any confusion
>with the religious crowd, I refer to them as rhythm sticks.

Do you get any confusion with the Ian Dury crowd?


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