From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Theories on Columbus-bashing and Compassion Fascism
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:38:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <casseres-131092110607@kip2-23.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>
>Fine, but you have to realize that a lot of people can't hear your laughter
>without thinking you're a racist boor.  Maybe you don't care if people
>think you're a racist boor...

Should I?  So many people today are so guilt-ridden, so afraid of being
called names, and so intent on being perfectly "Politically Correct",
that they won't say a damn thing about ANYTHING!  You can't comment on
blacks without being called a "racist", you can't criticize the women's
movement without being a "sexist", if you portray homosexuals as anything
other than heroes you're labeled a "homophobe", and god forbid you're
so "insensitive" as to blame criminals for their actions.

>Funny.  What I feel threatened by is racism...
                                      ^^^^^^
Well, I'm glad we agree on something.  You DID notice my comment on quota
bills and AA programs, I take it?

>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  You've always believed that was
>*actually how things worked*???? 

My comment that if you work hard you should be justly rewarded may be
idealistic, but it's a goal this country has had for decades and will
continue to pursue until it's achieved.  I'm glad you find it so amusing.
The irony is that there are many who cry out for "equality" on one hand
and support such blatantly racist legislation as the quota bills on the
other.  Fact is, these people don't want equality.  Rather than strive
for an equal playing field, these radicals want to tilt it the other way!
They want COMPENSATION and PAY-BACK, rather than an opportunity to
compete fairly.  Not only is this solution WORSE than the problem, but
it's INSULTING to minorities.  It's a straight out admission that they
don't have a chance - they can't succeed!  Simple analogy (from Rush) -
did you see the Conners v. Navritolova tennis match?  As everyone knows,
women can't play as good as men (right?), so they gave Martina a smaller
court.  She lost anyway, but if she had of won, she would have done it
knowing good and well that the rules had been unfairly bent in her favor.
Would that have been a victory to be proud of?

>> The last two private companies I
>> worked for engaged in BLATANT reverse discrimination, and yes, this
>> bothers me.  It means that it doesn't matter if I graduate with a 4.0,
>> high SATs, and strong recommendations - if I don't fit the current
>> sex/race requirements, I don't get hired.
>
>Actually you almost certainly do get hired before *most* of the
>minority/disadvantaged candidates, and advance faster after you get hired,
>and get laid off later.

Now who's living in the twilight zone?  Sorry to disappoint you, but I've
been in the "work force", and it's been my experience that blacks/women/homos
are the last fat to get trimmed.  You can fire any old white guy, but you
fire one of the aforementioned minorities and it's a "civil rights 
violation!"  You better be prepared to go to court.  Why don't you find
someone to read my last paragraph to you...I've seen this racism.  I sat 
there and watched my manager throw away the applications of the white
applicants and hire a completely UNQUALIFIED black woman!  He said something
like, "we'll satisfy both minorities...it'll look good to the home office
[his bosses]".  What bothers me, is that there are people who think this
is OK.

>> I know what you're going to
>> say, and I would respond that two wrongs don't make a right.  I'm currently
>> looking at an application for employment.  At the top it reads, "Affirmative
>> Action Employer".  At the bottom it reads, "...does not discriminate in
>> hiring...on the basis of race, color, creed, religion, sex...".  Does this
>> not strike you as odd?
>
>Everybody knows what it means.  Quit your bitching, it's unbecoming. 
>There's nothing quite so nauseating as a white upper-middle-class male in
>engineering school (I'm guessing about some of that, but I bet I'm right)
>whining about competition from people who aren't white upper-middle-class
>males.

Man, you dodged that one like a politician!  Skip the topic and move on
to character assassination...

If "everybody" knows how blatantly discriminatory and demeaning AA is,
then why is portrayed as a means to equality?

-- 
Sean P. Ormond
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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