From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportaion
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:24:50 GMT

In article <osamakl.725483914@vincent2.iastate.edu> osamakl@iastate.edu (Osama Al-Shaykh-Yousef) writes:

# In talk.politics.mideast makowsky writes (Some parts are deleted. You
# can go to previous articles):
 
# > 	It is Judea and Samaria.  The territories were liberated in the
# > 1967 Six Day war forced on Israel by the Arabs.  The only occupying is
# > done by the Arabs who still occupy Jewish (they have mezuza holes - a
# > mezuza is a Jewish ritual object) homes which were taken when all the
# > Jews were either kicked out or expelled.
 
# It is the occupied territories. If you recall well history, you will 
# realize where most of the Jews came from. You came from Poland, Russia, 
# Germany, Morocco, etc... Can you prove that all of you are the Jews that
# once lived in that land? 

	Before we came from any of those places we were kicked out of our
homeland.  Can you prove that all of you are the "palestinians?" that
once lived in that land?

# You are Semitic. I am a Semitic too. All Arabs are. And we lived there
# since ancient history.

# >	 As for what the rest of the world "knows", no one has the right to
# > parcel out Jewish land that does not belong to them.
 
# That is right. It does not belong to them. It belongs to the people lived 
# there for centuries.

	Jews lived there for more centuries than the Arab invaders and
their decendents.  Jews were also kicked out.

# > 	There is no "peace" process.  There is a "piece" process by which
# > attempts are being made to destroy Israel piece by piece.
 
# Land for peace does not mean destroying Israel but living peacefully.

	You might actually believe that.  I am not so naive.

# > # ># If some Jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# > # ># then we come to the root question that is: Where Jews came from and where
# > # >#  came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..
 
# > # >	The Jews come from there.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
# > # >invaders.
 
# > # ># Palestine is NOT "a land without nation for a nation with out land."
 
# > # >	Correct.  There has never been a "palestine?".
 
# > # Go and read history books other than what you were taught. Palestine was
# > # there. It is there for all Palestinians.
 
# > 	Take your own advice.  And when you find an independent State of
# > "palestine?", I suggest you call up every news organization you can
# > find.  You will have a scoop.
 
# Even the British occupiers wrote the name of Palestine on the coins that
# were used in Palestine. It was called the Palestinian pound (Jneih).

	That is what the British decided to call it.  No soveriegn state
has ever existed there with that name.  Do you know the history of the
word "palestine?"?

# > # >--
# > # >	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
# > # >at math and those that are not.
 
# > # Go and calculate the ratio of Palestinians and Arabs killed by Israel to 
# > # that of Jewish killed by Palestinians and Arabs, the ratio of deportees,
# > # the ratio of bombed houses, the ratio of POWs, and the number of 
# > # concentrated camps. It is a good exercise.
 
# >	 First of all, the above is a JOKE.  I cannot believe you do not
# > realize that.  Second of all, I care about who is right more than I do
# > about those statistics, except to the point that the "wrong" pqarty is
# > responsible for those no matter who committed them.  Third of all, by
# > raising the red herring of "Concentration Camps", which is
# > ridiculously false, you are using a Nazi technique (the big lie).
# > This only does one thing.  Identify you as a Nazi.
 
# First of all, I know it is a joke.
# Second, Do you agree on deporting people from their homes?

	Not if it can be avoided.  But it is better than killing.

#         Do you agree on the killing of Palestinians by your people?

	I don't like it, but the terrorist behavior exhibited by some has
made it necessary.

#         Why don't you care about these statistics? Do they show that more
# Palestinians have been killed by Israelis than Israelis by Palestinians?

	Because the fault does not necessarily lie with those who pulled
the triger.  If you come to kill me, but in defense I kill you, who
gets the blame?

#         What do you call the places that thousands of Palestinians are 
# held it in tents? 

	What?

# Another thing, without knowing what I stand for, do not declare as a
# nazi. I am not prejudice.

	I may not know what you stand for, but I know what you have
written.  It was Nazi like.

# I have many Jewish friends and others.

	I bet some of your best friends are even Jewish ...

# I
# believe in human values and living peacefully in this world. Do you
# consider this as a nazi idea? I do not and I think everyone should 
# not? 

	That is not consistent with what you wrote.

# I think you should apologize for this statement. If you do you will
# show human values. If you do not you won't change my values.

	Why should I?

# > # Other thing you should think about is human values and peace.
 
# > I do.  Perhaps you should think of acurracy.
 
# I try my best to think of accuracy. Thanks for the advice.

	You are welcome.  But why don't you show it?

# But thinking
# of human values identifies the right of people to live peacefully.
 
	I agree.

# People can understand each other more if they put themselves in the
# other position and think their way.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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