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From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Eruv
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:57:31 GMT

In article <CPLS13-070193164055@145.1.92.160> CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes:

# In article <5258@ceylon.gte.com>, sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
# wrote:
 
# > Well, for the first time in my life I live in a communitity that has
# > has an eruv. 18 or so years after its inception, Boston has an eruv. It
# > is reported to be the largest one in the US. It covers almost all of
# > Brookline, Brighton, and Newton (rt 9, to the Mass-Pike, from Kenmore
# > Square to about route 128). It is a huge area that includes several
# > large reservoirs and lakes (I believe they are excluded).
 
# > When instigated, I believe the planners felt that this would stem the
# > decline of Jewish Boston. Since then, Boston certainly has declined.
# > Maybe this will change things, but I seriously doubt it. Boston has
# > some much more severe problems. And I think that putting one's efforts
# > into an eruv sort of "skirts the heart of the matter" :-).
 
# Even better, there is now an eruv in Chicago!!!  While we were able to
# institute an eruv in Skokie (a north suburb of Chicago) about a year ago,
# the Chicago eruv became functional about 2 weeks ago.  We are finally a
# REAL jewish city now!


	I would not tell that to a Brisker if I were you.

	For those who are interested, there is a vicous battle going on in
Chicago over the Eruv.  There is a history over this battle which I
will not go into except to say some people have been taking ads out in
every issue of every Jewish publication that will let them saying that
those who carry on Shabbos inside the Chicago eruv are being Shabbos
violators of the worst kind.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Desperately Seeking Hebrew WordProcessor!
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:36:57 GMT

Help!!

I am in DESPERATE need of a Hebrew wordprocessor within the next 2-3
days -- I was using one at a local synagogue, but it crashed (darn
Macs :-). I need to make some corrections/changes to a VERY important
legal document for Israel.

Can someone help/point-me-in-the-right-direction?

Tizku l'mitzvot!!


Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 04:00:44 GMT

In article <93007.143346PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>It seems that there were
>quite a number of top ranking Nazi officers, some very close to Hitler who
>did not have knowledge of Hitler's policy regarding the so called "Jewish
>problem".

Yes, and no one told them about Kristallnacht, the hate campaigns and
firings, the expropriation of property, the rounding up and detention,
etc. :-(

What do you think, that they expected people to come out of those
camps alive? Or is it forgivable if the Jews were "just worked to death"?

--Mark
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From: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:51:41 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.93Jan12132522@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:10:24 GMT, khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) said:
>
>> Jon, I have seen and talked to a lot of Reform and Conservative people
>> and the one thing they have in common (not all of them of course!) is
>> that once you prove them wrong in the example of sexism THEY make, they
>> immidiately switch to another one. 
>
>But you don't prove them wrong. All you prove is that from the Orthodox point
>of view, it isn't sexist. From the Reform point of view, it *is* sexist, and
>that is why practices such as that aren't found in Reform.  That's why in
>Reform you find the obligations on women to be equal to men, without the
>distinctions made in Orthodoxy.
>

So, would you care to explain and answer the question I asked you about
your view of this issue or what? Where is your argument, from whichever
point of view you want? I don't see it. I guess, I should not have even
asked you for something you can't possibly provide... 
Is there anybody else who CAN put up an argument instead of general
statements and explain to me what exactly Reform view is? But I don't
want just the view. I want the view with explainations of it and sourses
from where you got it. Any sourses, at this point all I care about is
for somebody to finally explain to me the reasonning behind the Reform
point of view in this issue. Can anybody do it? Common! There are so
many Reform Jews in this group and not one of you can answer a simple
question on what Reform Judaism is? I am definatelly going to a Reform
Rabbi this week. I am overflowing with curiasity about Reform Judaism
and nobody seems to know their own faith, or you just don't care
enough to explain it to me. Again, I would like an explaination and with
sourses on which you based your argument. 
I am not trying to argue with anybody at this point anymore. I am just
trying to find out the Reform point of view. 

>Daniel


Thanks,
Dima
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
  khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
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From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:05:06 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <46265@unlisys.in-berlin.de> stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl) writes:
>aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>
>
>>As to being silent out of fear: that may be so, but it's not something to
>>be proud of either.  It's not the same thing as murder, but it makes the
>>task of the murderers much easier.
>I'm not proud of the things my ancestors have done. I just
>don't believe that people in other countries would have behaved
>in a different way. Look at the countries Germany had occupied.

I don't believe in the notion of a collective guilt--you can only take it
person by person--but in terms of the overall response of the countries
Germany occupied, you bet it differed country by country.  Take a look at
the Belgian dockworkers, the Danes. . .then take a look at the Poles.
There were Nazi supporters and quislings in all countries, as well as 
those who stayed silent out of fear.  But in terms of national pride at how 
their citizens behaved when morally tested, some countries have a LOT more 
to be proud of than others.

			. . .Alexandra
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The character of Shylock in Shakespeare's
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:35:51 GMT
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In article 18926@lugb.latrobe.edu.au, EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
< This is from the "Did You Know" column in the "The Age" newspaper, Melbourne,
< Australia and written by Graeme Donald. This article is dated 11th January,
< 1993.
< 
< ********************************************************************************
< The character of Shylock in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice was based on
< the real character of Roderigo Lopez (died 1594), a Portuguese Jewish doctor at
< St Bartholomew's Hospital, who in 1586 became physician to Elizabeth I. Those
< who resented his influence stitched the doctor up on charges of trying to
< poison his royal patient, and secured his execution amid a frenzy of
< anti-Jewish ranting. Shakespeare, ever anxious to reflect popular feeling (as
< he also did with his character assassination of Richard III), created Shylock in
< 1595, basing the name on shalach, the Hebrew word for a particularly reviled
< and abonimated cormorant, which was denigrated in the Bible by Leviticus and
< Deutoronomy. To complete his hatchet job on the Jews, Shakespeare stole and
< reversed the old yarn of the honorable Roman Jew Samson Cesena, who was so
< victimised by the heartless Christian usurer Paolo Secchi. - GRAEME DONALD
< ********************************************************************************
< 

For a different view on this incident, inquiring minds may want to read 
Faye Kellerman's novel of the period, "The Quality of Mercy," which features 
Shakepeare and Lopez's daughter as main characters.


********************************************************************************
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janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
********************************************************************************

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Conditions (was Re: ERETZ YISRAEL)
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 01:06:25 GMT

In article <1ihndqINN2of@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>In article <4875@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>|> In article <1i6pepINN7ou@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>|> >
>|> >if the name 'palestine' is history, ERETZ-YISRAEL is prehistory. we were
>|> >here first. Relearn your history Mr. Turner.
>|> 
>|> But wasn't that conditional, Hillel?
>
>WHAT conditions, Anisa ?
>(pls remember - we are back here :-)

And I assume the people you are throwing out of their homes and
are robbing their rights came from Germany, Yemen, Morocco, and Russia,
right?

jle

>
>-- 
>
>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
>/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan 
>/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry?
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:45:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <10JAN199320163492@utkvx1.utk.edu> egw@utkvx1.utk.edu (Wolpert, Edward Greenwal) writes:
>This question came up between me and a few friends.  If Adam and Eve were the
>first two people on Earth, who could their childern marry?  (Assuming no
>incest)  Here is a response I've heard, and a few notes.  Please feel free to
>comment of the validity of the notes/responses:
>
>	1)  Adam and Eve were the first people to reconise G-D, thus the first
>with an inteligence, the first we would call human...

Well, this is fine.  A more complex question would be "who did Noach's
children marry?"  In that case, there really were no other land-based
life forms other than the ones in the Ark.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewi
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:03:03 GMT

In article <1985@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.161302.22994@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) writes:
>>In article <1473600019@igc.apc.org> sdubin@igc.apc.org (Stephen Dubin) writes:
>
>>Sounds like a good idea to me.  Here are a few well-known cases for starters:
>
>> Michael Landon
>
>I could have sworn that I heard Michael Landon was Jewish.

I saw a TV commercial that he did for the Jewish Big Brother program
(a sponsorship program for fatherless boys in the US).  There was
another actor in the same commercial speaking on behalf of the
(non-Jewish) Big Brother program; it strongly implied that Mr. Landon
considered himself Jewish.  What his Halachic status was, I don't
know.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Learning in Yeshiva
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:26:04 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.egr.msu.edu


I just returned from my winter vacation in Israel.  I was learning at
a Yeshiva during my stay.  I personally recommend to all SCJ readers
(and thus all Jews in general) to spend some time learning in a 
Yeshiva either in Israel (preferably) or in the US.  There are 
Yeshivas that specialize in men/women from non-Orthodox backgrounds
for those of us who fit this bill.

The Yeshiva experience is a unique one which I urge you all to consider.
It is a far cry from "Hebrew School" of my youth.  

Plan now for your summer vacation!!!

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: New Year
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:01:40 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:

> 	I don't know about you, but I've been telling everyone that
> wishes me a 'Happy New Year' that I already *had* mine...
-----
And when they say, "Let's meet next Monday," do you respond, "Yom Shani 
should be fine, but let's also set aside the 11th of Elul just
in case I can't make it?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: carroll@bifur.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:49:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.163106.10006@ac.dal.ca> black@ac.dal.ca writes:
]
]
]			FARRAKHAN AND JEWISH THREATS
]
]
]	In this great land of YOURS called Amerikkka, we as Black people
]are supposed to have FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY.  If we do have these
]things why isn't the Jewish community able to take Farrakhan to court for the
]so-called lies that he is supposed to be preaching.  According to Rabbi Oron, 
]and the Jewish Students here in Halifax, Canada, Farrakhan has been calling 
]for the death of Jews.  If this is the case, then Farrakhan should've and
]would've been charged for malicious intent or death threats, he wasn't.

]	On the other hand, Jews have called for the death of Farrakhan.  In 
]most public arenas that Farrakhan speaks, there is a Jewish contingent calling
]for the death of Farrakhan.  For example, one Jew was asked, "Who do you 
]want?" the reply was "Farrakhan".  Next they asked, "How do you want him?"; 
]the Jews  repliedm, "DEAD".
]	It seems funny that the people who want Farrakhan charged are the 
]people who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.  My suggestion 
]to the Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave 
]this brother alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET 
]THE HELL OUT!!!

One of the most obvious ways of identifying a person as a bigot is
when s/he identifies an entire group of people as an indivisible mass.

There are Jews who would like to see Mr. Farrakhan prosecuted for
libel. There are Jews who would like to kill Mr. Farrakhan. These are
two different groups of people.

You're a bigot - you assume that Jews act as a mass, and that anything
any single Jew does, s/he does with the knowledge and support of every
member of the Jewish community. 

What would you say if I posted an article to
soc.culture.african.american, which went about claiming that all Black
people were hypocrites, because supporters of Jesse Jackson say that
we should all try to coexist together peacefully, and supporters of
Mr. Farrakhan say that we should be seperated by race?  If I said
that, you'd call me a racist, wouldn't you? And you'd be absolutely
right for doing so - anyone who made that claim *would* be racist. But
that's *exactly* what you're doing to the Jewish people.

Why do you think that you, as an anti-Jewish bigot, are any better
than someone like David Duke, an anti-Black bigot?

	<MC>
-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     ||"In all seriousness of truth, hear this:
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| without the It, one cannot live. But
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || whoever lives with It alone is not
|| carroll@udel.edu             || human" - _I_and_Thou_, by Martin Buber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Bob@cullen.demon.co.uk (Bob Gregory)
Subject: Any Crossword meshuggeners out there ? Give this a go
Distribution: world
Organization: cullen crosswords
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:40:39 +0000
From: sklarew@acs.bu.edu (Daniel Sklarew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Reconstructionists in Boston-Cambridge area?
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:00:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


Hi,

	I am interested in finding out about any Reconstructionist
havurahs or individuals in the Boston-Cambridge area. Any leads?

					Thanks,

					Gershom



From: sklarew@acs.bu.edu (Gershom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Subject: 
Keywords: 

Hi, 

	I am interested in finding out about any Reconstructionist
havurahs or individuals in the Boston-Cambridge area. Feel free to 
reply by posting here.

					Thanks,

					Gershom
From: mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Solomon Krawitz)
Subject: Re: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Reply-To: mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Solomon Krawitz)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:32:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.163106.10006@ac.dal.ca> black@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>
>			FARRAKHAN AND JEWISH THREATS
>
>
>	In this great land of YOURS called Amerikkka, we as Black people
>are supposed to have FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY.  If we do have these
>things why isn't the Jewish community able to take Farrakhan to court for the
>so-called lies that he is supposed to be preaching.  According to Rabbi Oron,
>and the Jewish Students here in Halifax, Canada, Farrakhan has been calling
>for the death of Jews.  If this is the case, then Farrakhan should've and
>would've been charged for malicious intent or death threats, he wasn't.
>	On the other hand, Jews have called for the death of Farrakhan.  In
>most public arenas that Farrakhan speaks, there is a Jewish contingent calling
>for the death of Farrakhan.  For example, one Jew was asked, "Who do you want?"
>the reply was "Farrakhan".  Next they asked, "How do you want him?"; the Jews
>repliedm, "DEAD".
>	It seems funny that the people who want Farrakhan charged are the people
>who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.  My suggestion to the
>Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave this brother
>alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET THE HELL OUT!!!
>
>
>Dr.Kwame Assad BA(Hons) MA  PhD(Oxford)

Although I agree with Dr. Assad's assertion regarding the hypocrisy of threats
(from Jews) against Farrakhan's life, I also resent his implied contention
that ALL Jews are incapable of dealing "with the truth" about Farrakhan.

This discussion should be an important reminder that the words/actions
perpetrated by an individual or small group do not necessarily represent the
views of an entire religious or racial group.  Although this point is an
obvious one, it is equally obvious that all too often, we ignore it.

Marc Krawitz
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:39:44 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
 <1993Jan8.040044.22688@sarah.albany.edu>

In article <1993Jan8.040044.22688@sarah.albany.edu>, mark@fenris.albany.edu
(Mark Steinberger) says:
>
>In article <93007.143346PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> Peter M. Cohen
><PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>It seems that there were
>>quite a number of top ranking Nazi officers, some very close to Hitler who
>>did not have knowledge of Hitler's policy regarding the so called "Jewish
>>problem".
>
>Yes, and no one told them about Kristallnacht, the hate campaigns and
>firings, the expropriation of property, the rounding up and detention,
>etc. :-(
>
>What do you think, that they expected people to come out of those
>camps alive? Or is it forgivable if the Jews were "just worked to death"?
>

Of course they knew about Kristallnacht, the people I'm talking about were
against the actions against the Jews.  The point is, they couldnt do anything
about it.  They tried, and failed.  The price they paid was execution.

--Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:46:43 GMT

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
> >amir@cc.gatech.edu (amir) writes:

> >> A question was asked why a woman is tme'a ("impure") for two weeks
> >> after giving birth to a girl, and one week after giving birth to a
> >> boy.
> >
> >Another point that no-one brought up is that, while she is tme'ah
> >for seven days after the birth of a boy and 14 after a girl, she
> >is tehorah for the next 33 days after the boy and 66 after the girl.
> 
> But wouldn't she have at least one period during that 66-day span?
> Wouldn't that make her tme'ah just as usual?

She may, but it doesn't matter.  The Torah says she is tahora, just
as it says she is tme'ah for the first fortnight.  What we call niddah
today, however, is not really niddah.  It's closer to zava gedolah,
and we are more machmir than the Torah required for actual niddah.
I believe the Gemara says that women took upon themselves this chumra.

As to the question of nursing, while this often causes a temporary
cessation of menstruation, it is not a biological certainty.  So this
issue (no pun intended) is still relevant.

-Don Gertler