HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:56:36 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com

ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance):
> Hmm, I could date myself with... uh... Madonna's first album?
> Ooh, maybe the soundtrack to the Muppet Movie (I was damn good
> at that one!).

well, i can't date myself because we just don't get along; one half
is running for Morrissey, the other for Maalox.

but, back to the thread, i was scandalous as Kruella DeVille from The
101 Dalmations.  to this day, i have never seen the film, but i did
have the soundtrack and storybook.  about this time, my mother moved in
with a richer man who had this wretched fake fur from a previous
marriage.  i would strut around the house in this fur, "smoking" a
wooden dowel from a puppet and terrorizing the family malamute.

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lou Sheldon is Mad at Pete Wilson -- news item
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:22:57 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar26.131514.13361@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>Get a clue, Jess. Stating his membership of GLAAD is just a way of
>saying _where he's coming from_. You know, I'm a *friend*, bring bad
>news, not a homophobe spouting hated.

My friends know chow consideration for me.

They do not come over and "shit in my kitchen"

Or they are not friends.




     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:39:03 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Spinster Bitch) writes:
>> Why do women own so many more shoes than men, on the average?
> I own, at last count, 5 pairs of boots, 3 pairs of sneakers,
> 2 pairs of Birkenstocks, 1 pair of oxfords, and 1 pair of
> snakeskin pumps, each of which has its place.  To paraphrase
> the cursed jargon dictionary, I'd be prepared if a snowstorm,
> a manure pile, a horse, a city street, a garden, or a cocktail
> party were suddenly to appear in front of me.

it's no wonder that lesbians are so strong -- just imagine all the
equipment they're toting, but tell us, how does one achieve stealth
status with that bulk?

myself, i feel awfully deprived.  i have a 1 pair of boots, 1
pair of Nikes, and 1 pair of Birkenstocks.  speaking of Birkies,
these things are more dangerous for dancing than any pumps that
have graced my streamlined feet.  any tips?
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Capping worthless threads
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:07:40 GMT

djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM writes:

	nothing.

	So I thought I'd taske the time to post something positive.
What would "Sit on your hands be in various languages?"  If
Joe Chapman is still out there perhaps he can start things out in Latin?

	As far as djk is concerned, might I suggest that anyone who
really wants to bother responding to him (he's really
boring in e-mail - sort of GHWB combined with the programming wisdom
of an Apple ][...) change the Follow-ups-To: line to something like
misc.test or maybe root@nitro.ctedge.com?

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: ???Behaviorist Brainwashing????
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 18:58:12 GMT

In article <10276@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>I've got several hundred K of postings from homosexuals explaining
>why NAMBLA is doing a good thing, and why age of consent laws should
>be repealed.

I've read several hundred K of letters in various newsgroups justifying
everything from Libertarian economics (some of which I agree with) to
Holocaust revisionism. Would it be logical of me to state that everyone
who posts in those newsgroups is a Libertarian or Holocaust revisionist?
Of course not.

Now, consider the fallacy of inferring the general views of homosexuals
from the fact that some pro-NAMBLA people post to soc.motss. Some racists
post to rec.arts.books, but I wouldn't say that all rec.arts.books posters
are racists. I don't even think most of them are.

> You need to read soc.motss -- and ask why NAMBLA
>continues to march in gay parades around the country.

I've read soc.motss, although never on a regular basis. You are clearly
misrepresenting both that newsgroup and its posters here. I think your
decision to do so is both unethical and shameful.


--Mike






-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis
mnemonic@eff.org | qu'on a perdus."
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |          --Marcel Proust
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: SF writers (John Brunner in particular)
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:48:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1ryj!9l.onr
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr14.154945.15136@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
>Since we have been discussing science fiction writers, and I haven't
>seen anyone else mention him, another writer who deals positively with
>gay issues is John Brunner, author of _Stand on Zanzibar_ and quite
>a few other novels.

About six years ago I was living in a neo-pagan community in Santa Cruz,
Ca. One of the women who lived there was an occasional Lover of
Brunners. As it happens she is bisexual, and was married to a 
well known ( but now deceased) SF writer herself.

>Several of his books, including SoZ, feature minor gay male
>characters, always presented as good people who just want to get on
>with their lives like anyone else.  I don't remember any lesbians.

I can't say anything about his writing or characters since I've never read a
word he's written, but I can say he was an insufferable prig while he
was in our company.

>Does anyone know about a John Brunner who does gay male fiction?  Is it
>the same guy?  Is it a pseudonym?  The SF writer Brunner is British,
>and has been writing since the early 70's, at least.

Oh yes the SF writer Brunner is brittish.. verrrrry British ektualy.
That probably accounts for the insuferable prig part!
:-)  :-) :-)

( Note the smileys.. its a joke.. and since I *live* with one I have 
a license to tease them :-)

LUX .. owen

-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bear Codes
From: Justin_Maxwell@kcbbs.gen.nz (Justin Maxwell)
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:20:54 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Demuffin: Justin_Maxwell@kcbbs.gen.nz

Special hello to Jess and others who have really made me think
and look at my surroundings during my 8 months of muffin-hood.

Can somebody PLEASE mail me the Bear Codes.

  JUSTIN
  ======

NB: This message: Short and sweet... Like me!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:43:24 GMT
Summary: hey!

In article <1992Apr11.002118.12109@csrd.uiuc.edu>, hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu
(William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

> Chicago is the city that most hip midwest queers move to, before
> they move out to San Francisco ;-)

Waydaminit! I resemble that remark.  (Actually, I wasn't very "hip"
-- but Chicago is certainly where I first realized that I was queer.)

-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:08:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) reports:
>
>I have certainly seen some attractive images of men wearing boots, a hat,
>and very little else. 
>
Finger nail polish?
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queer Humor
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:40:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com

michael@xon.co.uk (Michael J Marshall):
> So, anybody else have some good ones?

mine were originally told as blond or sorority girl jokes, but i think
they're funnier with gay men.  ummm, these are not for the light of
heart:

Q: What's the first thing a fag does in the morning?
A: Introduces himself and drives home.

Q: What's a fag put around his neck to make him more attractive?
A: His ankles.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: levin@oakland.bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:46:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.ku3kfaINN7rr
Reply-To: levin@BBN.COM (Joel B Levin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: powell.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr7.032430.12942@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
|			       But I think that, to Heinlein, the
|characters were asexual; in any case, books of the '50's, when aimed at
|adolescents, had to have no *hint* of even `normal' sexuality.

Even the ones not aimed at adolescents.  In DOOR INTO SUMMER the only
female of interest to the hero is about 12 years old, though they
don't actually get together till she has grown up.

In the adolescent stuff he frequently adopted a sort of prepubescent
attitude.  I am thinking of a short story whose title I don't
remember, in which the precocious teenaged heroine is planning to be
an engineer in partnership with her precocious male friend.  (This
takes place on the moon.)  She refuses to acknowledge the fact that
she is jealous of the beautiful tourist from earth who her friend is
showing around; only at the end of the story does she "catch on".

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.020957.1817@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I forget - does Bradley's Mists of Avalon have motss content? I know I
>liked it when I read it in high school because the men weren't the
>major characters, but I don't remember details.

yes.  for me they weren't minor details, but i wanted *more*, and
definitley more *explicit*.  sigh.  what a good book.  i must go 
and re-read it...
peg

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.singles
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Sister Mary Luscious Lips
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:50:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.150816.27102@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>
>The humiliation and "gang up" metaphors, the idea of being
>forced (acquitting one of responsibility for *wanting* it),
>and the death-grip he has on the subjects he deals with, all
>that indicates fantasy to me, and I think he's scared
>himself shitless.


An excellent point professor Anderson.  It is quite true that often
Bigotus SuperDensius will seek out groups of Queerus WayCoolus and
leap into their midst screaming and defecated all over itself hoping
that the Queerus WayCoolus will be aroused and desire to play with
it.  Being who they are, they often believe that the Queerus WayCoolus'
reaction is only because they are not *understood* so they scream
louder and defecate more hoping an increase in volume will assist
them in communicating their true desire.  While this does often communicate
their desire, as the Queerus WayCoolus are as a whole a sharp species,
the Queerus WayCoolus is too grossed out to even consider it with a 10
foot pole and so the Bigotus SuperDensius is left disappointed in their
pile of fecal material.


Prof. Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.174258.12210@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <j8j6re8@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff
>Dauber) writes:
>
>>Yes, but you are not being a cultural elitist.
>
>If you'd said that about me, I'd probably be pissed, but I
>bet anything it has a greater element of truth to it for me
>than for Roger.  So I think it's a bit over the top on the
>unfairness scale.  I thought it was not very useful for him
>to speak of Portand in the terms he did, since the suite
>makes clear he (mostly) meant *he* didn't like it much.  But
>what the hell, apart from that, he's entitled to his
>opinion, I think.

No, not at all.  It was a sharp reply (but not at all unfair)
in response to a rude remark.  Listen, it's one thing to make
the case that a city like NYC has a lot to offer and that maybe
a competition and vote is indeed in order.  But he didn't choose
to make that point in that manner.

Sure, Roger's entitled to his opinion, but we're entitled to
react in response.  If he thinks those remarks of his were
flattering to him, I think he's hallucinating.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:28:51 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <2649@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel
Whitfield) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.044808.6314@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <2647@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel
>>Whitfield) writes:

>>>Elisabeth Schwarzkopf singing Ah, chi mi dice mai from Don Giovanni,

>I must admit to being wildly jealous! I've heard quite a few
>renditions (including yours, Jess!) and no one else seems to have the
>pure (and necessary) malice that Schwarzkopf injects into it. It's a
>great piece to listen to when you're mad at someone. 

I usually don't admit what influences have shaped my
so-called character, but in my relationships with men, I've
learned much from Betty Blackhead's very next line: quel
barbaro dove!  As you note, good for being furious with.

>Forget Dame Kiri

Period!

>- my 1959 recording is still one of the best I've heard, though I wish
>it hadn't been remastered.

Tons of ES recordings have fairly recently been reissued on
CD; quite a tear-fest, that.

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.110331.27294@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <zvrjh4-.onr@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D.  Owen
> Rowley) writes:
> 
> >Problems occur when un-seasoned motssers blast away,
> 
> Or even well-seasoned ones? :-)

This phrase has been tickling my brain for months, if not years. It's
time for:

		Robert's Random Sampling of Seasoned Motssers
			(and their Seasonings)


Steve Dyer		Lime juice, mostly; a smidgen of honey.

Joe Francis		A heady mix: coriander, cumin, olive oil, a
			touch of anise, more than a dash of Suze.

Jess Anderson		A complex flavor, hard to pin down. Thyme,
			tarragon, a little mustard, a pinch of
			cayenne, cinnamon (or maybe nutmeg?).

Henry Mensch		Vinaigrette, hold the oil.

Clay Bond		Robust, not for the faint of heart or tongue.
 (remember him?)	A bit heavy on the garlic for some tastes.

Arnold Zwicky		Another complex flavor, smooth and subtle.
			Poppy seeds (definitely), scallions, lemon
			(juice and rind), probably cilantro and/or fennel.

Jeff Dauber		Jalapeno and Scotch bonnet peppers. Hot!!

Owen Rowley		Garlic here, too; anchovies.

Laura Creighton		Citrus (probably orange), basil, oregano,
 (where *is* she,	black pepper.
  anyway?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:58:40 GMT

Followups are set to talk.politics.misc.

In article <1992Apr8.224922.15660@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>And no, AIDS isn't caused by gay sex, but as others have pointed out
>in medical literature, with homosexuals having very high rates for other
>sexually transmitted diseases, AIDS does tend to favor people who practice
>gay sex[*].

Your implied conclusion -- that sexual activities between members of
the same sex is inherently risky -- is incorrect.  AIDS is transmitted
through body fluids, which are exchanged during unprotected sexual
activity.  A variety of sociological factors caused the early high
concentrations of HIV to be centered within metropolitan groups of gay
men.

>The 90% of AIDS victims in California that are gay bear this
>out - and when you consider the 10% of California is "supposed" to be gay,
>that's still quite a feat for a disease that isn't "caused by gay sex".

Please explain how those numbers are related.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr6.113231.10757
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <56878@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
> I'm interested in what you all think about this.

No.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / pierce@husc.harvard.edu   /         See it and understand.
 \/ (aka twpierce@amherst.edu) /
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: silliness on a thursday
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:52:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr9.235237.20906
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <jbhdoa0@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Angry thought for the day:  Yet another PWA says upon admitting his status
>"I got it through a transfusion."  Who is it today?  Arthur Ashe.  Oh well,
>yet another "innocent victim".  (snear when you say that).

I thought Arthur Ashe's press conference was the height of classiness
and dignity.  Is there a reason not to accept his statement that he got
it from a transfusion?   He did have bypass surgery twice.
Is AA on some list I'm unaware of that we shouldn't take him
at his word?

I didn't hear the phrase "innocent victim" in his comments or
in the surrounding comments.  Maybe I missed them.  In any case,
they're unwarranted.

What surprised me was how "hands-off" the press was on the scum-bag
tactics of USA Today which threatened to expose him based on third-
party rumors.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:32:04 GMT


In article <1992Apr11.012002.13201@wam.umd.edu>
jns@wam.umd.edu (J.  N.  Shaumeyer) writes:

>  1. We haven't been formally introduced;

Jeff, meet Steve; Steve, meet Jeff.  Now that's fixed.

>  2. I didn't know your first name;

V. sup.

>  3. I didn't want to intimidate Mr. Parkinson;

Somehow I don't think that would be a problem; GLP,
according to reports, is a mighty *big* fella!

>But, contrary to *some* suggestions, I'm sure
>that it was not for any self-serving reason.

>I should probably, therefore leave it to
>Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com) who wisely noted:

Wise noting being her stock-in trade ...

>> He didn't want to hurt my feelings.

Very likely that, but ...

>or else to the rather more diplomatic, and *very*
>trustworthy Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu):

...  this *has* to be causing a few chuckles around the
globe.

>> ... Mr. [Choice-to-Look-Upon] Dyer!

-- 
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From: haynes@Apple.COM (Charles Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson and Christianity
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:08:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>In article <57053@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>() I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming
>>() feature.
>>()      -- Thomas Jefferson

>For a clue, examine the word "orthodox" in the context of 19th
>century Christianity.
>  -- John F. Haugh II

For a clue, examine the word "deism" in the context of Thomas
Jefferson. Do you believe deists are Christians? Ho ho!
Newsgroups: soc.motss