HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: another poem
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:44:03 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.201559.6698@access.digex.com>, corun@access.digex.com
(Corun MacAnndra) writes:

[headers and quoted text deleted]

> Hell, I just follow the recipe on the package that the Nestles chocolate
> chips come in. That's the one I grew up with and IMHCCEO it's the best.
> Of course mom always had to make up a double batch just to be able to
> actually *bake* one full batch thanks to my brother and I raiding the
> mixing bowl. Yum! I love chocolate chip cookie dough.


Which reminds me of the recipe in one of my all-time favorite books,
"Chocolate, The Consuming Passion", by (oh, dear, now I can't remember
her name . . . the artist who did all the Recycled Paper Products
greeting cards).  The recipe is for _A_ chocolate-chip cookie.  It's
simply the classic Toll-House recipe with the additional instructions:

	Taste the batter (little picture of hippo upending the mixing bowl)
	Bake the cookie

For those interested in chocolate in all its forms and humor in some of
its better forms, I'd highly recommend it!

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com

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From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.174908.19760@radian.uucp> markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
>
>Actually, Iwonder, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, if you
>have a choice nowadays, since there are more people alive, *now* than
>have *ever* lived. Or are there just *lots* of first-timers?

Andrew Offutt wrote a science fiction story in the 60's or early
70's about running out of souls. Don't remember the title. 

When I was a good bit younger, I remember someone commenting that out
of all the people who had ever lived, one in 20 was alive at that
moment. This was in the context of population growth. Let's say the
population of the world has doubled since then, that's only one in
10. If there are a finite quantity of souls, things should get very
interesting sometime around 2050. Actually, if the world population
gets to be 60 billion, running out of souls will be the least of
our problems.

Reincarnation in the context of a life of suffering is a curse. In
the hopeful context of the individualistic west, it's a fond hope.
I used to disbelieve in it because it seemed too good to be true,
now I guess I'll wait and see. Meeting people with whom I seem to have
a past life connection helped keep my mind open.

Zen student: What happens to us after we die?
Zen master: How would I know?
Zen student: Well, aren't you a Zen master?
Zen master: Yes, but not a dead one!


*) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *)!(* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (*
Jo Ann Malina, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Neither Stanford nor the DOE would be caught dead with these opinions.
Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
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                 "I have looked into the abyss,
                  and the abyss has looked into me.
                  Neither of us liked what we saw."
                                -- Brother Theodore
From: hulda@eagles.uucp (Hulda Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Variations of Sword in Stone (re: Celtic)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:29:52 GMT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> 
> This prompted a thought to me.  One of my teachers (I have had many
> and I include you all in that regard) once said that a stone with
> a hole in it has magickal properties.  Would this be similar to
> what is above or even related?
> 
> Tammy


Yes, the stone with a hole in it is supposed to have magical properties.
A purely fictional book that I'm sure you would love to read and gives a
good example is called FARIES by Raymond E. Fist
The above is called a fairy stone. Fiest has written several books, all
dealing with magic (fiction). My husband and I both feel the man must be
a magician, he knows way too much not to be. 

The stone shaped like a phallus... I've read the story and even had a friend
tell me about it once but I can't remember enough to make much sense.
It was in one of our sagas... will have to do more homework and get back with
you. But they are two different things. Kind of like the old saying:
Make a wish upon a star....   Make a wish upon the phallus....

                                           Hulda
From: alizard@wizclan.Kludge.COM (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: hello, we're here...
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 04:12:04 PDT
Organization: Wizard's Clan, Moraga CA

Just wanted to announce a new system posting on this newsgroup...
Bright Blessings...
A.Lizard
                                                 A.Lizard

====== 93 ====== mea saurus, mea saurus, mea maxima saurus! ====== 93 
======

(slogan contributed by Jessica McGeary) There are no fnords in this sig 
file.

Mail to me should be sent to:       |   autoreply to address I posted 
this

alizard@tweekco.uucp                |   from only if you want to wait a

boo!tweekco!alizard@PacBell.COM     |   solstice or two for my answer.

!uunet!pacbell!boo!tweekco!alizard  |                Kallisti!

looks like my sig file needs to be modified to use it from here,
but at least anyone who cares knows WHICH reptile is posting from here...
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle [Was: Request for Info - Samhain]
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <6281@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>In article <10475@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> erik@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>>Does anyone know anything about the "radical faeries"? Someone told me
>>yesterday it's a group of gay pagans or something. 
[...]
>My (sourceless :) internal data-file turns up the following about the
>radical faeries:
>
>They are male gay pagans who integrate gayness and also campness into
>their paganism which is the experiential/make it up kind rather than
>the out-the-book kind. I think they were reclaiming the word faerie
>from its gay derogatory connotations in the same way some people like
>to reclaim the word witch.

I think this is fairly accurate -- I've run into references to them and
seen an occasional tribe at the Chicago pride parade.  I don't think there
is much of a central organization.  I feel some affinity to them and
think they are in interesting contrast to Robert Bly et. al. as they
came first in reclaiming shaministic practices and men's rituals,
yet they are such nelly queers and he is so het and butch... ;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:39:43 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct6.160007.10130@csus.edu>, altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:

> 
> (Excuse me while I put on my mad inventor lab coat...)
> 
> Because lightning can jump distances and is very unpredictable, the only
> thing I can suggest is to give it the BEST conductor to ground that you
> can. If I may make a suggestion, I've never tried it but it would only 
> cost about $30, and would probably work. I stress probably.

It really isn't worth trying to cope with a direct hit. Lightning strikes
carry several kiloamps of current, and even heavyduty earthing cable
will simply vaporise, along with any other metal bits of your house which
are in the vicinity :-)

(Lightning conductors on tall buildings aren't designed to catch strikes,
they are designed to bleed atmospheric charge away to prevent a strike
getting started. If they get hit, they'll vaporise too)

All you can really do, domestically, is take precautions to cope with any
spikes on the power lines caused by distant powerline strikes, or ground
strikes nearby (the strikes that make your lights flicker). For that 
unplugging really is the best option. A good quality double-pole switch
will work most of the time, and if it earthc the equipment to a solid
earth stake independent of the household earth, so much the better. It
really is overkill though, pulling the plug is easier. (And don't forget to
unplug the modem from the phone line as well)

One source of information on good earthing systems is in Amateur Radio
handbooks. Since radio hams often have large aerials sitting out in the
open, with a lot of RF energy on them even when there isn't a storm,
earthing is pretty important.

Steve

 
> 
> To use the symbols already given, what I propose is two switch boxes on
> your input line, separated by at least three or four feet. These are
> standard 220volt on/off make/break switches, with the "pull-out" type
> connection switch. Buy two identical switches, and discard (or store
> away) one of the switch inserts for safety (so that you CAN'T connect
> both at once). Install the first to make/break the 220v into the house,
> and the second to ground your entire line to an earth copper rod.


-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Hey, Babe . . . What's Your Sign?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:47:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	Born October 3, 1974 at 5:18 pm in Cleveland, Ohio.  I have no clue
what was rising then, nor any of the other planets' signs on my birth chart,
but, darn it, my sun sign's Libra!

BB, and Read You Later . . .

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: stuff
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:45:02 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Just some replies:
	Erik: I wouldn't worry about the crystal. As Amanda said, there are
a multitude of Mundane reasons why it might've split. I wish I'd had this
board available when something similar happened to me, about a year ago. (I
really liked this guy who was three years older and wouldn't LOOK at me. So
I wove two bracelets out of crimson embroidery thread--red for love, a
bracelet for binding--with the intention of wearing one myself and sending
him the other one anonymously. I set up my altar and tried to consecrate
the bracelets according to the four elements. Air went okay, but when I tried
to consecrate his bracelet by fire--my element at the time--the bracelet
caught in the candle flame. Terrified, I gave up all thoughts of consecrating
either bracelet and simply sent his. He wore it for a while, and then it
broke. I wore mine--it broke--I made another one--that broke too--I gave up.
I later found out that I had done one of the very biggest available no-no's,
in trying to bind someone else without their permission.) Are you sure
amethyst is a good stone for you? Check tables of correspondence and see if
you find one that works better.
	Gretchen: glad your ritual fasting is going so well. I have a friend who
went through something similar, and she says that it helped her immeasurably.
Hope it turns out well.
	Tuneweaver: that song is definitely by Malvina Reynolds. Heard it on
Dr. Demento the other night...tells you what kind of a world we live in, if
such a good song is reduced to being played on a silly-song show.
	Everyone: Thank you so much for the reassuring notes about my failed
ritual. It really made me feel much better. Went to a training course on
Sunday taught by the proprietor of Arsenic and Old Lace, about ritual
structure and such, and I feel a lot more competent now to conduct my own
rituals, even if my fellow practicioners don't like the way I do it.
			Stars light your path,
					Rosaleen Dhu
From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:06:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech....definition
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:13:25 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Sep30.162246.13899@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>
>Apparently Hillary Clinton and Barbara Bush had a contest to see who
>could make the best chocolate chip cookies.  This came about after
>Hillary's comment about not being a housewife.  (I don't know the
>exact quote).  After that, she's had to prove that she isn't against
>housewives by doing things like making cookies.

	So to prove that a person isn't AGAINST something, they have to
ACT like something?  Nobody said society makes sense, but still...

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|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu | Carpe Vitam, too.       |o|
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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: beginners need help
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:24:11 GMT

pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser) writes:

>In article <BuysnH.H8D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

>>As for how to do it, I reccomend starting with _Wicca: a Guide for the Solitary
>>Practitioner_ by Scott Cunningham, followed by Starhawk's _The Spiral Dance_.
>>These two books will give you enough basics to get started.  Do not treat them
>>as sacred scripture--they are sources of ideas.  Work out what works for you.

>I'd also recommend Raymond Buckland's (sp?) "Complete Book of Witchcraft."
>(I may have the title wrong, I don't have it handy.) I liked the "lesson plan"
>format, which provides a step-by-step structure ... for those of us who
>like step-by-step structures! ;)

>	-- PeterCat

When I began reading this book by Buckland, I also liked the lesson-plan
structure.  However, I quickly discovered that the lessons go downhill.  The
first few are a pretty good, very basic introduction to the Craft.  The next
few give some rather boring, mechanical feeling, rituals.  The rest give lots
of random magical techniques, herb lore, etc.  This magic is not bad, but he
doesn't fit it into the context of Wicca at all.  Also, he has the bad habit
of saying, "do this, and this will be the result".  He only tells you what to
do (the ritual actions), never why (the purpose) or how (the internal
process).  He also does not really emphasize creativity and flexibility in
ritual, though he does pay occasional lip service to them.

The one major virtue this book had when it came out was that it was the *only*
book written primarily for Solitaries.  However, Cunningham's book covers the
same territory--but much more and much better.

I have about thirty books on the Craft on my shelf.  I don't get rid of any
book on Wicca which I might refer back to at any point in the future.  I got
rid of all of my books by Raymond "would you buy a used religion from this man"
Buckland.  (The nickname is a local joke on the fact that he seems a lot like
a slick used car salesman in many of his books.)  There are very few books on
the Craft which I will recommend *against*.  This, Buckland's _The Tree_, and 
the Frosts' _The Witch's Bible_ (which is another story entirely), are the few 
I do actively discourage people from buying.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:36:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct6.032551.26918@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
>Actually, I've always wondered if it wouldn't be feasible to place some
>sort of "physical interrupter" in line off the main breaker box...

Do remember that the lightning bolt has just punched through several
*kilometers* of air to reach you.  You are *not* going to be able to
stop it from going where it wants to go by interposing little barriers.

What you can do is encourage it to go elsewhere.  Provide nice attractive
heavy-duty *straight* grounded wires for it to jump to.  Put a loop in
wires you *don't* want it to follow -- at those di/dt values, even a
single turn is enough inductance to produce a lot of opposition and
encourage the bolt to go somewhere else.  And so on.  There are several
good references on this, notably stuff aimed at amateur radio operators.

Don't expect to keep it all out.  It's still sensible to unplug things
if you're seriously worried.  If 0.001% of a bolt gets through, your
equipment is still in big trouble.
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: JD3415A@auvm.american.edu (Jessica A. Darago)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:35:43 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Just a little input on which deck to choose...

The Rider-Waite and Albano-Waite are more or less the same deck with a
different color scheme, of which I find Rider more aestheticly pleasing.
The Crowley Deck, however, IS gorgeous, and also helps the beginning reader
by printing a sort of keyword for interptetation on each card, like "Debauch"
for the Six of Cups, "Peace" for the two of Swords, etc.  I'm also partial to
this deck for personal reasons.  It's the only deck I've encountered that has
the Princess cards instead of Pages, and my card is Crowley's Princess of Cups.
But the drawback to the Thoth deck is that it IS more modern.  At least, I see
it as a drawback.  Various interpretations of cards are...shall we say, skewed,
compared to (what are believed to be) the original meanings.  If you believe in
the Tarot on the basis of synchronicity that's fine, if you believe in magic or
magick or such the modernization of the deck may be a problem.

--Just Jayj
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: coments
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:40:41 GMT

1:witchis and halusnegens
	I'm not sure who was asking about this but, rather then go out
after some herbs whos doesiges you are not sure of and you really want
to expereance a drug induced sensation of flight you could just go to the
store and get some primiten tablits. They should provide the efect that you
are looking for.
Personaly I think that you should look for uther ways to get in tuck with a 
higher plane.

2:birth days
I just couldnt resisist answering this one.
mine is Jan 26, 1973

3:Reincarnation
being a firm beleaver in reincarnation (make more sence then going threw
the truble of creating an intirely new spirit every time someone is born)
and alian lifethe uther alternitive is that we are freacks of nature)
I have some time wondered that mayby combining spirits (or spirit fragments)
being in one person could be a facter in a persons ability to develope split-
personality disorder.

4:Phoenix Cards
I just got a deck. 28 cards representing difrint civalizations. They are used
for divanation based on past lives.
Does anyone have a deck besides me and what was your impresion?
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Lord of the Dance
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:11:05 GMT

Thank you for the lyrics !!!

I got this poem from the book _Feeding the Hungry Heart_, by Geneen Roth. The
author she cites is Patricia Monaghan.

Illumination, 

Marty

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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/
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From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Only Witches Reincarnated?
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:43:31 GMT
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In article <1asidoINNbtg@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu 
(Robert Mathiesen) writes:
> This seems to me pretty close to what Leland reproted from Italy, and is
> so uncommon a teaching that one must think either of a borrowing from
> Leland or of a remote common source -- it doesn't come, as Kelly sees,
> from the run-of-the-mill Western forms of Hindu or Buddhist reincarnation
> theories.  What I would like is factual information from people on the list
> able to confirm or deny that Kelly has accurately reported the beliefs of
> at least *some* witches out there ....  Any feedback?  -- Robert

While this belief may have existed at some point in time, I first encountered
the belief in Kelly's book.  I don't believe it, nor have I ever met a Witch
who claimed to.
-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: INTODUCTION
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.211719.27940@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>
>In article <0096119F.56E7C320@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>
>|>      A delight to meet you! Ren & Stimpy, Anyone?
>
>"What'll we do 'till *then*?"
>"You can play with your Magic Nose Goblins."
>
>HAPPY HAPPY
>
>JOY JOY

And don't forget your Happy Helmet!!

Blessings,
Janis

P.S.:  NO!!!!! You can't have my ice cream sandwich!  I've had it since
I was a CHILD!!!!!!
 

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