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From: petitc@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: What's Your Favorite Kind of Cat?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:26:54 GMT

I was wondering---what's your favorite kind of cat?  Siamese, Persian,
Tomcat, Rex?

Personally, my favorite is a Siamese---they're so cute.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Newbie Q's...
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:29:25 GMT


I am a strong believer in always having more than one cat.  I had two
while I was in college (the household has since increased in size), a
male and a female.  They kept each other company while we were gone, and
we didn't have any more trouble than just one (maybe less, at least we
like to think so!).  They love to sleep with their 'arms' around each
other -- that sight alone is worth having two!

The only problems we ever had were when we went away at Christmas.  We
always had someone come to feed and play with them, but invariably the
cats would destroy something (the couch, plants, etc.).  The longer we
were gone, the more likely there would be trouble.  I'm talking 2-4 weeks,
though.  I'm sure an only cat would have done the same thing.

Good luck!

Jamie


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Any interesting cat tricks out there? 8-)
From: G. K. Alspach <alspach@lilly.com>
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:05:47 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly and Company
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In article <1992Dec16.195427.27434@pellns.alleg.edu> Dave
Blackburn, dblackbu@alleg.edu writes:
>Oh Yeah? My cat programs in UNIX environments. (Well, no,
but he will sit on  
>the Mac.)

Does he chase the mouse too?

Gretchen
From: lnelson@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Louis M Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cat breeding software
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	Hi!
	
	My mother-in-law runs a cattery, and she asked me to see if I
could find any software in two categories:
	1) Database-type software for managing a cattery
	2) Any software that would take parents characteristics and
	   predict litters (e.g. punnet-square type calculations, only for
	   more complex situations.)  Especially for himalayans and persians.

	Thank you
	Louis Nelson

P.S. Please answer by email to lnelson@eniac.seas.upenn.edu or to the newsgroup
	

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hbsperki@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (James Perkins)
Subject: TV special on cats!
Summary: Great documentary currently on ABC!
Keywords: cats, tv, documentary
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:04:15 GMT

For those netpeople who are in the broadcasting area of the Australian
Broadcasting Commision: Wednesday 8:00pm there is a great continuing
documentary series on the cat.  Most of you are probably aware of it
already, but if not, make sure you don't miss it!  I think it comes from the
BBC.


James.
Xref: sparky rec.pets.cats:14924 alt.drugs:19630
From: sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:45:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf=2q6m00iV445H9dw
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Dec-92 Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
by Michael J Maryo @udecc.e 
> thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
> associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
> difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that

Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
  I'm quite interested.

Steve


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From: v384rv4k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Lynn Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cat tricks
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

My brothers' cat Lucky (The Bean) used to box with my
brother Larry.  

It's not really a trick, but Minn Kota tries to pick up
tiny things with his claws.  I think he wishes for an
opposable thumb.

Lynn
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cmo@stsci.edu
Subject: Favorite kind of cat - glad you asked
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:36:14 GMT

Favorite kind? Why, 'Meezer's of course! Not because they have papers (my three
are all rescues) or because they are pedigree, but because they are so, well,
so SIAMESE! What have I observed in mine as general Siamese traits?
 
  very smart (very)
  people oriented
  love their person to distraction ( I am the center of their lives)
  lap fungi 'par excellant' ( I swear I have a magnet in my lap whenever I
                              sit down, especially in my recliner, they all 
                              jump up and circle around
                              and step over each other while on my lap, to
                              find the exact right spot to settle into and 
                              around each other.)
  responsive  - start a conversation and I always have a answer 
  beautiful - not just their color, but their fur, I can only describe it
              as silky, almost the texture of mink.
  playful  - mine are all over 4 years old and still play like half-grown 
             kittens
  sensitive - they are very tunes in to their environment  

They also seem to have a presence about them; they don't just exist 
in the house, they are a part of it. Removing one of them from the house
would be like removing one of the walls. 

I also believe they require an owner who likes these traits because they 
are very much their own cat. I have been more successful molding
behaviour in my other two tabies than I have in the 'Meezers. Their motto is 
Popeye's:    " Iyam what Iyam and that's all that Iyam ".
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Re: declawing?
Reply-To: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.043432.26419@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
|> 
|> Unfortunately if your landlord will not allow a cat without it being declawed
|> you don't have much of a choice...other than not having a cat which I guess
|> the people at the extremes of this argument would suggest you doing. I am
|> very much against declawing however I don't know that I think you shouldn't
|> have a cat if the landlord requires declawing....I would however ask if
|> I could put down more money on the apartment as a security deposit instead
|> of declawing the cat (my landlord required this)...or try explaining my
|> ethical problems with it, especially if I were furnishing the apartment. 
|> 

Your furnishing the apartment doesn't solve the whole problem. I have a friend
with two cats who have done serious damage to the walls in her apartment by
sharpening their claws on them.  The landlord doesn't give a damn about your
furniture, he cares about his apartment.

|> 
|> Jen (mommy to Zebulon, delegate of the nine planets and envoy to 2 universes)

By the way, having had one cat declawed and not knowing enough about it
beforehand, I will not get another cat declawed. 

Chris - Sinbad's room-mate
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: plastic fetish...
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:38:57 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Tabitha loves the hosing (plastic or silicone) for fish tanks.  She will
hunt it down and destroy it no matter where it is.  

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg)
Subject: Any good cat gif files?
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:33:27 GMT

Anybody have good, color gif files of cats?  Any
place I could ftp from would be fine.

Thx in adv.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Catproof couches?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:58:48 GMT

> Christopher Mauritz writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <92122047@ritz.mordor.com>
> Posted: 20 Dec 92 18:39:32 GMT
>
> Org.  : Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
>
> Can anyone recommend a material for a couch which is catproof
> (if that is even possible)?  I'm going to be buying a condo
> in a few weeks and I'd like to replace my old ratty couch
> when I move in.  However, my two cats are terrible about
> scratching the couch.  No amount of watergun use seems to have
> deterred this obnoxious habit.  A couple of coworkers think
> I should just get them declawed, but I don't want to go
> that far as I think it is rather cruel to the cats.
>
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Chris
>
> p.s.  My speaker grills are also subject to frequent attack.  Any
>       suggestions?
>
> --
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> {backbone}!rutgers!spcvxb!ritz!ritz | Ritz International, Inc.
> OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2  | Import/Export Consultants


I'm not sure if there is any catproof material in the world.

If the sprayer is not working to deter your cats from scratching, a good
technique is this:

drape your sofa (& speakers for that matter) with a fine netting, set beer
cans on top of it, and when the cats scratch, the empties will crash and
generally scare them away.  Reset, and continue. (best to try it when you're
home... that way you can reset all day)  It eventually works. :)

hope that helps!
*j*

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: What's Your Favorite Kind of Cat?
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:21:11 GMT

In article <1gl2fpq@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>I was wondering---what's your favorite kind of cat?  Siamese, Persian,
>Tomcat, Rex?

I love them *all*, but both of mine are tuxedo/jellicle females, one
short-haired (Abigail), and one long-haired (Zarabeth).  I just love
their little white bibs and feet.  They always are dressed for any
occasion, no matter how formal, and the white makes them so easy to
see in the dark ... :-).


--
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Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: alternative disciplinary measures?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:49:34 GMT

> Sharon Elizabeth Silve writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Dec13.194338.3409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
> Posted: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:43:3
>
> Org.  : University of Virginia
>
> Help! Alexei doesn't mind being squirted with a water pistol!
>
>         She's not a bad kitten, but she *is* a kitten - which
> means she needs a little correction. Right now my major problems
> with her are:
>
> 1) Attacking Murphy to try to get her to play. Murphy is *not*
> amused!  (M. is an older spayed female)
>
> 2) Scratching everything except the designated post! (Yes, I've read the
> FAQ - when I scratch on it or rub her paws on it, she just gives me a
> funny look). One of the problems with this is that Murphy scratches
> constantly on the furniture. It's obvious why someone had her declawed.
> I figure at her age it's unlikely I'll be able to teach her to use the post
> -
> but Alexei is learning from her!! :-(
>         I really don't want to declaw Alexei, for many reasons. Can anyone
> help us?
>
>         She knows exactly where the water is coming from, and thinks
> it's cool - she runs over to play with the pistol! I don't want to hit her.
> Is there another way to discipline her?
>                                                 Sharon
>
>


There is a product called "Bitter Apple" that you can buy... you spray it on
cloths that you drape over your furniture, and cats HATE the smell... it will
eventually keep them from scratching the furniture.  Tip 2 is to rub the post
with CATNIP!! Liberally!  It should make your cat see the post in a different
light.  Also, every time she uses the post, shower your cat with inordinate
amounts of compliments... works every time. :)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: Re: I need help naming kittens
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:05:59 GMT

In article <_k#@byu.edu> $stephan@sasb (Stephan Fassmann, Software) writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.073956.19805@leland.Stanford.EDU> muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman) writes:
>>I am about to get a male/female pair of kittens. The male
>>is black and the female is silver grey.  They are very cute.
>>I was wondering if anyone could recommend some names for me. 
>
>Captain Midnight and the Silver Surver. :-)
>Velvet and Silver
>Fork and Spoon
>Die (dee) and Der. German articles for Feminine and Masculine.
>Night and Moon.
>Sky and Planet.
>Dark and Light
>Bad and Neutral/Good

Pygmalion and Galatea.
Antony and Cleopatra
Napoleon and Josephine
George and Barbara .....  NOT!  ;)


	Your choices are unlimited.

-- 
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			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hauch@cheme.washington.edu (Kip D. Hauch)
Subject: Re: Fee for pets in cabin
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Univ. of Washington Dept. of Chemical Engineering
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:20:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.153658.3368@schbbs.mot.com>,
C14383@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Marie Cannizzaro) wrote:
> 
> 
> I, too, agree that this extra $50 is preposterous considering that it's
> being called a "transportation charge." Since when does the airline
> charge me for transporting a piece of carry-on luggage (which on this
> case is exactly what you have). My cat is coming on-board with me, and I
> know from experience that no one will offer me any help of assistance
> with my pet, let alone "transport" it anywhere. 

Excellent you see the point clearly!  they don't DO anything,
or provide anything extra, or incurr any extra costs.  But they
charge you and extra $100 RT!!!!

> And if you consider the
> expense of health certificates, carriers and trips to the vet to get all
> of the above, you come out  above $50 anyway. OOOh, I'm just fumed!
> Considering the number of people who fly, you'd think the airlines would
> be making enough money with the extra fee.

Well, actually few of the airlines are actually making $ these days, BUT
That doesn't mean that they should get away with charging this fee
when it costs them NOTHING to let you put your pet at your feet as your
carry-on.

> I mean, if you had a whole
> extra suitcase weighing 50 lbs, I don't think they would charge you $50,
> yet my 5 lb cat gets hit with it.

Actually the fee is the same as if you were to add an additional piece of
luggage over the limit.  But the deal is they won't let you count the pet
as part of your std. carry-on allotment,   My point specifically is: if
they
bill the pet as excess baggage, then count the kennel as any other piece of

carry-on and charge the excess fee ONLY if the passenger exceeds the
total baggage limit.

I understand the fee for the kennels in the cargo bay as they do require a
separate pressurized cargo bay, and ostensibly, special handling through
the
terminal to the aircraft.  

> Do people have to pay for their babies
> that sit on their laps during the flight?

No.  Pretend that you stuffed kitty into one of those covered papooses
that parents often use for newborns, and boarded the plane.  The key
difference
between you and them would be a tail, and a little more fur.  Oh,
and yours stands a better chance of remaining quiet during the flight. 

>  I think we should start a petition! MC

Indeed!  I hope all that are interested have had the chance to read
the diatribe that I sent to my airline recently, and the reply I received.
Please contact me by e-mail for further info.

I for one intend to pursue this issue vigorously, or until anyone
can provide a good explanation for this fee.  I will be making
a few phone calls over the Holiday, and plan to start a larger scale
letter writing campaign after the New Year.  We can use 
support from all, as, on the grand scheme of things, this issue
will seem mighty tiny to the airlines.

-Kip Hauch
From: cehoward@reg.triumf.ca (HOWARD, CARRIE)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Box Problem with Middle Aged Cat
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:59 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Well, my 6.5 year old blob monster has been giving us trouble with her
training for a while.  She is spayed, and we have another neutered male
and 2 small dogs.  I'll give some history, then ask for advice!

In our old house, the litter box was in the basement, and Jem would
sometimes not poo in it, but would instead poo on the cement floor 
(BRR!).  She would continue to pee in the box.  We put her in a room
alone with a box, food and water, as advised in the FAQ as retraining.
When we let her out,  we put a second box in the spare bathroom, and she
stopped pooing on the floor.  This was about a year ago.

When we moved to our new house, the only uncarpeted places were the
kitchen and the bathrooms, so we put the cat food and litter in the
spare bathroom.  The cats seemed very happy in the new house (we've
been here 6 months) until about 2 months ago when small brown piles 
started appearing on the brown carpet.  As advised in the FAQ, we put
a second litter box on the spot the deposits were found (pee was still
going into the box), but that made no difference:  the piles just moved
around the room, into the kitchen, etc...  :-(

We put Jem into the bathroom alone with her food, water and a box that
is cleaned daily, but, while the pee is still going into the box, the
poo sits on the floor in front of the litter box.  This has been the 
situation for about 1 month.

We changed from standard to scoopable litter about 3 months ago, and I
changed the litter back to the regular stuff 1 week ago:  no difference.
I've bleached the floor in the bathroom, and I am becoming desparate.

My hubby will not put up with this much longer.  If this had never 
happened before, we would automattically think it was a medical problem,
but our old vet said that there was nothing wrong with her (other than
a size problem) when she did this in our old house.  She has spent her
whole life with the other cat and dogs, and she was fine in the new house
for months.

I miss her.  She seems to have become un-re-trainable, and all she does
is sit in the bathroom sink and meow.

HELP!!!!!!!

<sigh>

Carrie

From: jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:03:11 GMT
Subject: Bengal Cat and snow leopard
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats

I'm looking to get a cat.  I like 'em real big.  Thus far, the Maine
Coon seems like a good choice.  However, I've heard about two "new"
breeds: the Bengal cat and the snow leopard cat (or something like that).
These cats are supposed to get very big also.

However, after having lived with a very aloof cat for a long time, I'd
like to get one that's real friendly.  Anyone know if these new breeds
are really friendly?  I remember when the Bengal cat first popped up,
I read the breeders were trying to make them a bit more friendly
(apparently they were first bred with some wild blood in 'em).

thanks,

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Sisal and scratching posts
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:19:54 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


I've heard many times that sisal rope is good for scratching posts.
I have one of those useless carpet-covered posts that I'd like to wrap
with something more appealing. I've used denim (the cats like to scratch
our jeans) and it's worked OK, but it eventually comes off. I'd like to
try sisal rope.

Now...just what is sisal? And where can I get some? Is it sold in the
usual hardware stores or do I need to go somewhere special to find it.

My cats would thank you..

- Lianne -
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey Jean Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Any good cat gif files?
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:13:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec18.013327.1174@twg.com> oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg) writes:

>Anybody have good, color gif files of cats?  Any
>place I could ftp from would be fine.

>Thx in adv.

	ME ME ME!!! I want to know too!!! Thanks in advance!

						    Mikeey
					mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

PS It's lonely here in Rochester without my Midnight. 8-(
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Brushing Teeth
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:44:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kjc7435@ultb

oops..almost forgot.  when you are finished cleaning the cat's teeth,
let go of the head and stand up, releasing the cat.  He will be angry at
you, but his teeth will be clean!!!!!

K. Cater.
e-mail:"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".