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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:55:37 GMT

I missed few days of posting due to newserver problem...
Hope that I will not say something redundant.

In article <Bz2u9I.3L6@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.175454.18371@husc3.harvard.edu> mkim@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.162155.5449@cs.ucf.edu>, jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>>> Andrew: [....]
>
>>With regards to Stalin, it is generally accepted that Stalin knew about
>>the invasion in advance, although a few historians still challenge
>>this issue.  Why Stalin gave the ok, is still a matter of conjecture.
>>
>What I heard is that Stalin didn't give the ok to Kim. (Guess that
>Stalin would rather have divided countries around) But Kim still started
>the invasion. He might be encouraged by the success of Mao in China.
>>Michael Kim
>Tingli Pan  

I tried to stay out of this subject, but I will try one more time
to shed some light into this matter...  :)  

Most of evidences support Stalin's prior knowledge of the invasion.
I could site sources if you wish. Can you tell me your source which 
supports your contention? No flames intended.

Beside the facts, Kim Il-Sung who was put into power by USSR and
supported by USSR (both militarily and economically) could
not have acted without at least a prior knowledge of such plan.
(Kim made trip to Moscow in March of 49 and also Feb/March of 50,
 during each trip he consulted Stalin about permission to
 invade ROK.  A recently disclosed war plan as disclosed by
 Kremlin support this assertion, as well as Autobio of
 Khrushchev.  And recall that there were Russian advisors
 in DPRK at this time.)

As far as why Stalin would have approved the invasion plan
of Kim, there are many possibilities, but I'll list just few.

1) To re-adjust the balance of east.  If US was going to
   take all of Japan; why shouldn't USSR take all of Korea.

2) To make USA look like an ineffectual power.  If a quick
   and decisive victory can be won, this would no doubt
   cast US as a potentially worthless ally.

3) To eliminate any possibility of Japan and US using Korea
   as spring board into invasion of Russia.

4) Even if US respond, this would force Mao to rely more
   heavily upon Stalin.  Afterall, Stalin did not want
   another Tito coming to power in China.

etc... I think I covered other reasons in previous posting.

Enough of conjectures...  As more facts are revealed,
I think it will become more clear that Stalin knew about
the invasion and in fact approved it.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim  (708) 491-5294(o) 570-0584(h) andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
" Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying 'there are only
  facts,'  I should say: no, it is precisely facts that do not exist, only
  interpretations..."   Friedrich Nietzsche.        andrew@delta.eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li)
Subject: Re: Her name is Noriko Sakai
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:05:39 GMT

In article <Bz4zAG.3tL@mach1.wlu.ca>, fwan4@mach1.wlu.ca (franklin wan 9208 U) writes:
> For some of u guys who might want to know about this girl, I gotta tell u that
> she's a
> Japanese singer or movie star..or something like that, and her name is
> Noriko Sakai...(may be incorrect spelling). Anyway..not a Chinese.

Ah, I knew it! I knew it!  My original doubt on her nationality
as Chinese seems to be proived correct. Why did I think she is
more like a Japanese? By her way of smiling! You could seldem
find a Chinese girl smiling that way (or smiling at all :-). Even
my wife doesn't smile like that. :-)  Believe me, Noriko's is a very
typical Japanese smile.

-- 
Xiaoyu Li
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From: liao@cs.purdue.edu (Qingyi Liao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: health insurance
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:06:00 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ector.cs.purdue.edu

 I have some questions regarding to IFCSS health insurance but I do not know
who I should ask. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Qingyi Liao
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:34:07 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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In article <313.9212151719@subnode.bradford.ac.uk>, 90908648@bradford.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> This is a serious qeustion, not a joke. Just imagine,
|> Chairman Mao was born on 26 December! One day after
|> Jesus was born! Was it merely coincidence? Doubtful.
|> Although both of them are dead, they always live in 
|> people's hearts! Everywhere we see their pictures! Read their
|> instructions! Lots of songs and peoms are devoted to them!
|> Both of them are revered! When a SCC get exited, s/he would say:
|> "I can swear before Chairman Mao!" Cab drivers in Beijing
|> hang a mini-portrait of Mao in front of them to deter evils.
|> I am seriously considering hanging one in my room.

I think he is "Grandson of God".

Lin Can


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:36:08 GMT

In article <104764@bu.edu> yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.220621.7872@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>Therefore Taiwanese is NOT Chinese.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>..........
>
>Also I checked the statistics about US population. They devide the
>people associated with US into non-Hispanic white, Hispanic, African
>American and Asia American. Quite confused. People also use word ABC
>(American Born Chinese). According to (may I call you by last name?) 
>Heng-Hsin's definition they are all American. But people still call
>them Chinese (because they have yellow skin and black hair?). 

People should call them Americans as reguards their citizenship.
However, it's alright to call them Americans with Chinese descent.

>From the GNP data, Taiwanese made big fortune in the 80's. Now Science 
>and technology is so developed that doctor can change a male into a
>female as long as you have money to pay the bill. If somebody don't 
>think himself to be Chinese while he has nothing to distinguish
>himself from a typical Chinese, why don't he spend a bit of his
>fortune to change something in his body so that tomorrow morning 
>when people see him on the street, everybody think that, oh this is a
>Taiwanese, not Chinese.
>
>Guo-Xiang


I don't think Mr. Liao denies himself the Chinese descent. He just doesn't
want to be a citizen of China. Please argue with him in a logical way.
Bringing up a surgeon doesn't make sense in the argument.

If you still have doubt, let me give you an example: Ask George Bush if he
is a Britain. Of course he would say he is not. He'd say he is an American.
Now would you tell him to change something in his body so that tomorrow
morning when he shows up in White House, everybody will be happy to know
the President is American, not Britain?

-- Chien-Chung Chen

PS: Mr. Yu made his message be followed up in SCC by specifying the Follow-
    Up to SCC. I don't subscribe SCC, so I don't know if this message has
    been followed up in SCC. In order for me to read other netters' response
    to my posting, I change the Newsgroup back to SCC, SCT and SCHK, in which
    way was the original article set.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:33:36 GMT

From article <104764@bu.edu>, by yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu):
> In article <1992Dec9.220621.7872@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>From article <1992Dec9.152957.5887@eng.ufl.edu>, by jfl@crow.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu):
> 
>> ......
>>
>>By the same token, if you are right, then Taiwanese is not any more
>>Chinese. Just a joke?
>>
>>No, it's not a joke. Taiwanese is not Chinese. (Strictly, if you will,)
>>Chinese only associates with China. Taiwan is not part of China.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
>>Therefore Taiwanese is NOT Chinese.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>Heng-Hsin
> 
> Really? Then what? Republic of Taiwan? I checked the whole library and
> only find the Republic of China. Shall we go back to school and learn
> history again.
> 

I would suggest you go to library and check again. "Taiwan" is
everywhere in the book.

> Also I checked the statistics about US population. They devide the
> people associated with US into non-Hispanic white, Hispanic, African
> American and Asia American. Quite confused. People also use word ABC
> (American Born Chinese). According to (may I call you by last name?) 
> Heng-Hsin's definition they are all American. But people still call
> them Chinese (because they have yellow skin and black hair?). 
> 

I disagree with you. They (those people mentioned above) are American.
Asian Americans whose ancestors came from China is not Chinese (Chung Kuo
Ren) just like African American is not African. I don't want to use ABC.
If you insist they are Chinese (Hwa Ren), I won't argue with that. But
ask them first. They define who they are.

Like I said before, there are two common definitions for "Chinese".
One is "people from China; of (people from) China" (Chung Kuo Ren).
The other is "people who speak Chinese; of people who speak Chinese;
of Chinese culture" (Hwa Ren). When I say Taiwanese is not Chinese,
I am using the first definition.

> From the GNP data, Taiwanese made big fortune in the 80's. Now Science 
> and technology is so developed that doctor can change a male into a
> female as long as you have money to pay the bill. If somebody don't 
> think himself to be Chinese while he has nothing to distinguish
> himself from a typical Chinese, why don't he spend a bit of his
> fortune to change something in his body so that tomorrow morning 
> when people see him on the street, everybody think that, oh this is a

Try not to throw the stereotype of "money is everything" to Taiwanese.
As a hard-working and lucky developing country, Taiwan is learning
how to make the best use of its money.


Heng-Hsin

> Guo-Xiang
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@enel.ucalgary.ca (Liang Shen)
Subject: Re: 24 points poker game: answer and new game.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:03:50 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Dec15.174600.1@cua.edu> chenx@cua.edu writes:
>Now, the four numbers are
>
>	10	10 	4 	4
>
>and calculate 24.

It is (10 * 10 - 4) / 4 .

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.3
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:33:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.215819.6141@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>
>
>
>         At last the smart and poor prisoner found a question to ask such
>that from the answer he knew which one is life door and got freedom.
>
>         What is that question?

He asked one of them," what would be the other one's answer if I asked
him whether door 1 is life door."  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:48:24 GMT


caleb@soda.berkeley.edu (Caleb Chan) writes:

> To all those who make stereotyped accusations (running dog etc.)
> about Hong Kong people:
> 
> ... What makes you think that Hong Kong
> people are running dogs? Just because they live under British rule? ...

Right on! This is the by-now-famous-CRD's own confession (see 
<mKS=!Y@engin.umich.edu> by Jxxx Chen):

> I would like to tell openly that I am proud to receive the
> honor of Chinese [Note: in Chen Jxxx's vocabulary, Chinese and
> CCP/CG are interchangeable.] running dog and I will consider it
> is the highest honor I receive in my life.

See this Chen Jxxx's mentality: One can survive only as a running dog
in a society. So, as I survive (and probably in the upward move) under 
CCP's rule, why shouldn't I be pround of being a running dog? And
if you survive under the British rule, then you must be a running dog.
Can you really reason with such mentality?

On the other hand, I think we should have some sympathy/compassion to
these people. Why? Because look at how hard they live:

> My father is ... loyal to CCP ... He applied for the membership of
> CCP for several decades. But until now, he is not admitted ...

So, he lost all his hope to become a member of the Glorious, Great, and
Correct CCP, and can only Tui4(recede) Er(and) Qiu2(seek) Qi2Ci4(second)
to regard becoming a CCP running dog as "the highest honor" he can
receive in his life. Think about it and you can realize how miserable he
must have felt. He2 Qi2 Bu4 Xing4, Tian1 Xia4 Tong2 Bei1, sigh!

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: jltsuei@athena.mit.edu (Jennifer L Tsuei)
Subject: Thanks!!  :)!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:30:12 GMT

So here I am, boldly (and somewhat cluelessly) posting here for the
second time.  (*proud smile*)  :)

I received 13 responses to my question concerning summer sessions in
Chinese universities...each containing different suggestions!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!  Times 13.  ;)  I am looking into
it, although it now seems that a more "real" approach to understanding
things there while productively learning something may be to go during regular
term-time.  Or after I graduate.  (*sigh*)  :)  But I'm sure I will go
sometime.  :)!!!!!!!!

:)  I wasn't sure whether I should send 13 separate-but-similar-and-phony-
seeming-e-mails, or to just post here and thank everyone for everything....
including reading my silly chatter here.  ;)  But anyway, if anyone
is interested in studying abroad in China, I have a nice collection of
information!  :)

With much gratitude and smiles,

Jen  :)
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Riddles, any takes?  Was: Puzzles & picutures
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:26:21
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: vernazza.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: mliu@pt.com's message of 17 Dec 92 13:30:05 GMT

    From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
    
    If you want to post puzzles, please post it to rec.puzzles or
    rec.games news groups.  If you want to post pictures, please
    post to the appropriate pictures news groups.
    
    Something you like may not be welcome by all the Chinese who
    read this news group, just simply because you are a Chinese.

Personally, the above message IS not welcome to me, not matter what-ese the
poster is.

    -- A militant reader.

Ok, tired of puzzles?  Here are some riddles:

What can run but can't walk?

Why does a pencil seem heavy when you write with it for a long time?

What time is the same when you spelled backwards?

Who was the first to have a mobile home?

What helps keep your teeth together?

Why should you never tell secrets in a garden?
   
    -- A childish poster
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:04:57 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gun Shot
 <1992Dec16.193111.1@wharton.upenn.edu> <BzEu90.6xx@udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

In article <BzEu90.6xx@udecc.engr.udayton.edu>, jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu
(Jinghong Li) says:
>
>Confirm - heard on Paul Harvy(?) News, the Chinese student was
>a very talented violinist.  Friends were saying he was always
>a racist, made many deadly remarks against Blacks and Jews.
>
>
>In article <1992Dec16.193111.1@wharton.upenn.edu> zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu
>writes:
>>In article <92351.175731U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>, U21885@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>>
>>> According to The World Journal (Chinese Newspaper) , Wednesday , Dec.16,
>>>
>>> 1992 :
>>>    On Dec 15,1992 at the state of Massachusetts,
>>>    A hornor student from China shot two to dead and the other four
>>> wounded , by using his semi-auto rifle which was just bought at the
>>> same day. After the incident , he called the police department to
>>> declare the incident.
>>
>>Can anyone please confirm this?
>
>
>--
   CNN had a brife report on this case. He doesn't seem like a first
  generation Chinese, with a names as "Wanye Lo". But definitely a cool
  kid, he can only be a high school at his age.

>- ........................................................................-
>Politics is like coaching a football team.  you have to be smart enough
>to understand the game but not smart enough to lose interest.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: an937@anon.penet.fi.###################### (Talat Terbiyecisi)
Subject: test
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:39:12 GMT

test.test.test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Re: Use Zmodem with Telix
Keywords: Zmodem, Telix, Kermit, Unix, MSDOS
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:18:46 GMT

In article <1gqff0INNk5l@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0z9470@tamsun.tamu.edu (Xiaodong Zhang) writes:
>I used to do file transfer between Unix and PC with Kermit, but if the
>file is too large, this could take a long time. Now I'm using Telix,
>which uses Zmodem and is much faster. 
>
>I've been succesful in transfering my C programs in both directions, but
>it won't work for "exe" and "gif" files. Does anybody know why ?
>
>By the way, our unix system is installed with "rz" and "sz" protocols.

Use the binary option on Zmodem to transfer those files.
Assume your file name is "this.exe"...execute the following:

sz -b this.exe

This will transfer the file in binary mode and reassemble the file in your
PC.  For more info on various Zmodem options....type the following UNIX
commands:

man sz
man rz

Hope this helps....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:51:51 GMT

In article C6o@news.iastate.edu, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <BzBqxs.BqF@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>In article <9212152200.AA16705@euler.Berkeley.EDU> xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:
>>>which direction is the cow's tail points at?
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                      **************
>

[deleted]

>>=====>a 90 degree CW turn ===>
>>
>>It is hitting the NORTH wall!
>
>Oh, godness, I almost get trapped.
>
>It is hitting the SOUTH wall!
>
>:-0



I think you ARE trapped.  :-D



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From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au
Followup-To: soc.culture.china

In <mKS=!Y@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:

:The British running dogs accused me to be CCP running dog.
:Unfortunately, there is no CCP member in my family. A more
:accurate accusation is Chinese running dog. I praised Deng
:Xiao Ping and CCP for leading the reform which started 14
:years ago. I praised Dr. Sun Zhong San and KMT for overthrowing
:the emperors of China. I praise President Jiang and KMT for leading
:China to defeat Japanese invasion. Today, I praise CCP for
:their fighting against British government and restore the
:sovereign power of China in Hong Kong.

This is very interesting, you praise President Jiang and KMT for
defeating the Japanese invasion then how come you don't fight the
CCP for not asking the emperor to apologise ?  How come you don't
say anything when those comfort women ask for compensation ?

My conclusions about you is that you are either a gutless, spineless
CCP mouthpiece or you are hypocrite who is also a CCP mouthpiece.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:01:23 GMT

In article <9212161941.AA15142@euler.Berkeley.EDU> xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:
>
>>In article <BzBvyp.FnL@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>>sure. the cow's tail points at sky.
>>>
>>>Why not at the ground?
>>>
>>Good question, let me tell you now.
>>Because the cow is so clever to make all the turn but do not make any errors.
>>What do you think he will feel?
>>Of course, "weiba (tail) qiaodao (point at) tianshang quliao"
>>
>>
> good point! the original anwser as i heard of is ' the cow's tail
>points to the groud', but i guess your reasoning maybe more fun than
>the original one. it wasn't a serious question anyway, although it
>looks like one.
>
>have fun!
>
>Xiaohan

Strictly speaking, my answer of "ANY DIRECTION", though not as funny, 
is also a correct one.

"It is hitting the South Wall!" might not be an answer, but it is not
wrong either.

:-O
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: Joan chen on screen? Oh, no!
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:56:51 GMT

In article <Bz3sKz.1Fns@austin.ibm.com>, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec11.84253.25639@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>> .....
>>>Comparing Zhou Li, Jaon Chen is a real success.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?

I wonder why these chinese actors and actress like to go to America. I
suspect that they have chosen a wrong place to go. I think more or less
they should have chosen Japan. If you think Jaon Chen is a real success in
America, I wonder how REAL it is.:-) I know in a relative sense she is
doing better than other actress from the same background as hers. By and
large, it is a personal tradegy for the actors and actress from China.
However, if it is their own choice, what we can say?:-)

Luo Wang