From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:19:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.190333.27486@unet.net.com> stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.225418.7322@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>
>>Rap is still very racially motivated.  If a white guy (such as Vanilla
>>Ice) wants to "sing" rap songs, he has to make a big deal about his
>>whiteness ("Go white boy! Go white boy!", etc).  
>
>I stated that most rap artist are black. But if you think that any form of
>entertainment can gain the kind of popularity that rap now has without the
>support of a significant % of whites then you need to take a couple of math
>courses.

	Precisely my point.  White people HAVE TO like rap otherwise
	they are racists.  

>>If rap lyrics against drugs and violence actually had any effect, maybe
>>it would be more appealing to me.  As it is, I can only see it as a way
>>of defining "cool" black culture which we must all like otherwise we're
>>instantly trailer-park bigots.
>
>Now just how the hell can YOU tell if it is having any affect against drugs
>or violence? If just one kid stays out of a gang or doesn't smoke that 1st
>pipe of crack, then how can you say it isn't having an affect? As far as
>"you must like rap to be cool"--The only one[reportly]to say this is some
>moron you said you were talking to. HHmmmmm what do we call people that will
>believe anything a moron tells them?

	I can tell it's NOT having any effect since drug abuse and
	violence are *increasing*.  Everyone knows that.  Everyone 
	also knows that "cool" people "get" the rap culture.

>>I don't like it.  I also don't like movies with titles like "White men
>>can't jump" which we whities are supposed to laugh at (as in: "Oh ha ha!
>>Isn't it true!?  Aren't white men the most incoordinated, clumsy pieces of
>>outdated machinery that there every was!").  What's with the double 
>>standard?  Why can't we have a movie called "Black men can't read"?  Even
>>"Black men can't play marbles" would be against the unwritten laws but
>>we're supposed to find "White men can't jump" funny?!?!  It's disgusting.
>>
>>Abolish racism IN ALL IT'S FORMS!
>
>I'm certainly all for it. But let's get real. There are cultural differences
>between the races. There are cultural differences between people of similar
>races. I say let's not pertend they're not there but instead look closely at 
>each one. There's somthing to be learned by all of them. If you really want to 
>abolish racism IMHO you should start with the problem you have with your own
>color.
>
	In South Africa, cultural difference is codified.  We call this
	"apartheid".  If you admit that there are differences, then you
	open the door to judgement.  Before you know it, the differences
	of certain groups will make them "better" or "worse" than any
	number of other groups.  Then, society becomes stratified and
	develops a hierarchy of rights.  This we are supposed to 
	encourage???  I think not.

	And who can say that these calls will not be made?  They've been
	made in the past and they will continue to be made long into the
	future.  Some differences are so obvious, one cannot avoid 
	commenting.  Is anyone going to tell me that it is perfectly OK
	(in a modern North American society) to have groups which force
	their women to wear cloths on their heads and prohibit them from
	driving because they are their husbands' chattel?  

	Try telling a black man to examine his uneasiness about being
	black.  To abolish racism, it is necessary to abolish race.


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@Ariel.yorku.ca


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