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From: swansond@nextnet.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Metallica
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:57:05 GMT

In article <70008@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>Since when do people separate their sense of morality from their political
>views?  "I'll never vote for Candidate X, because he supports killing 
>babies..."  My assumption is that the original poster did combine the two.

I _know_ that was your assumption, and I consider it a rather unfriendly and
disrespectful one at that. Do not assume that others share a particular
failing of yours without good reason.

>The most reasonable "interpretation" is usually to interpret a statement
>as the person SAID IT, not as you think they meant it.

With the kind of naivete you express here, I can see that I'm not going to
get anywhere with you. For what it's worth, might I suggest that you look
up the definition of "interpret"?

	In Him,

		Den

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From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Giant
Date: 1 Oct 1992 21:53:25 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
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I must agree also.  I am a guitarist who has a PROFOUND respect for good guitar playing.
It is my belief that you CAN listen to whatever music you want, as long as the lyrics
don't "bother" you personally.  I have a bunch of secular CD's, and I love them all.
I don't try to look into what each group is saying or anything....I just take it for
what it's worth on the surface....good music.  I also have a ton of Christian CD's
that I listen to, but I tend to pay a lot more attention to the lyrics, for obvious
reasons.

Basically, I think it is a very personal choice.  I know that I have been able to 
talk to some friends about Christ because they know I'm a Christian, and still
listen to secular bands.  (**opinion**) They see me as any other person who can
relateto them, not a Christian who is preaching hellfire and brimstone to everyone I
come in contact with.  I am just sure to let them know that I am living my life for
Christ, and am living it for what is to come, rather than what is NOW.

Just my opinion.  Anyone agree?  Disagree?  I'd like to know.

Later!

John
From: rjd4507@zeus.tamu.edu (Ray De Frese)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rez Twenty CD (XX)
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.6OCT199212322797
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct6.143152.9327@news.eng.convex.com>, moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes...
> 
>Ok, who has this?
> 
	My next door neighbor has it. He picked it up at Cornerstone
	for (dare I say) a song, about 10 bucks.

>I heard it was a double-disc, but then the box is a regular jewel-box,
>except for one clue:  It has the word "DOUBLE" on that dark space on the
>front of a jewel box.
> 
>Is it really 2 discs?
> 
	It really is two discs, both chocked full of music, around
	60 to 70 minutes worth on each one. It's very clever 
	packaging that I'm surprised hasn't been tried before.

>I noticed that Christian Book And Supply is selling it for a regular disc
>price.  (i.e. as if it weren't 2 discs)
> 
>Yeah, and of course whats the music like, too? ;-)
> 
	The music is taken from a 20th  anniversary concert in
	Chicago (?) and it's just good rock and roll. It's all
	live material, of course. A little extreme for my tastes
	but I listen to it every now and then.


	En agape,
	Ray De Frese
	Texas A&M University
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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:20:38 GMT

Distribution: world

> But be careful about the volume you listen at (just ask Kerry Livgren, who
> couldn't do the final mastering of his instrumental album because of a  
severe
> ringing in his ears from years of loud stage and studio monitors).  Our  
bodies
> are the temple of the Holy Spirit and should be cared for properly.
> 
> Brian P. Roden
> Leisure Arts, Inc.
> Little Rock, AR

Amen!

This is a real problem.  I really want to take my children to concerts.  But  
it seems that at almost every concert, the volme is so loud that it hurts  
their ears (mine too, but I am more sensitive about theirs).  

Three years ago we herad Rich Mullins with Avenue G.  The sound was so  
imbalanced that it was impossible to understand Rich's excellent words.

Recently at a NewSong Concert, they turned up the Vocals loud enough to be  
heard over their music, but then the vocals were distorted and   really  
assaulted the ears.

We drove 110 miles to Champaign to Hear Randy Stonehill on Sept. 19.
He was excellent, but they had a warmup band called "Farewell to Juliet" who  
not only were poor musically (at least as projected through the sound system  
that they used there) but were so loud that it was painful and there was no  
chance of figuring out what they were singing about.  It was all I could do  
to convince my family that it was worth enduring the pain and low-quality  
music for a few more minutes so we could hear Randy.  After 1/2-hour of F to  
J, it took a few minutes for my ears to recover enough to understand what  
Stonehill was saying between the songs.  How can they call that ministry  
when it is destroying the most valuable (IMHO) of our 5 senses?

Do other people share my feelings?  Is there some way we can convince these  
performers that we would like to maintain the ability to hear their music  
for a long time?  That the volume they would use at an outdoor concert may  
not be appropriate for a church auditorium or small theater?

Finally, we have the opprotunity to hear Steve Camp next week here in Terre  
Haute.  I want to go.  I want to take my family.  But I do not want to  
subject them to pain because the music is too loud.  Has anyone heard him in  
concert lately?  How was the volume?   Have you heard other Christian  
concerts lately that were not physical assaults on the eardrums, where the  
message came through loud and clear?  If so, I'd like to know, so I can put  
those artists on my "okay to see" list and stop contributing to the others.

Yes, you struck a very raw nerve here.  I'll get off of my soapbox now!
--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Looking for some CCM
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:34:57 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm looking for Christian music that is close to the same style as the
following:

        1.  Newsboys - Not Ashamed
        2.  Jesus Jones - Doubt
        3.  U2 - Achtung Baby
        4.  Pixies - Doolittle

Anyway, that isn't much to go on, but the closer to the Jesus Jones or Newsboys
style would be best.  Thanx!

-- 
Evan Marshall                            ************************************
University of Northern Iowa              *           BANG THE DRUM          *
(319) 266-0931                           *       Let Your Freedom Ring      *
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu             ************************************
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From: 11439106@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (SHAWN FOO)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:59:54 GMT

In article <91319@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.204738.6290@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpersons@magnus.
acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:>
>Re:  loud concerts and frazzled eardrums
>
>>A little cotton might help.  Really.
>
>I've been known to use wadded up kleenex balls.  Not pretty but effective.
>
	I use a cheap set of earplugs if the noise is painful, but being a 
guitarist at heart, I don't like using the plugs 'cause I can't hear the 
music properly... I mean, you loose a lot of the harmonics and high
frequencies of those wonderful guitar solos, etc..... You can get musicians 
ear plugs, but from what I hear, they're expensive... hey, I'm a musician,
 i.e. broke!!!
	Do you have the same problem with cotton??? (i.e. freq. response, 
not cost.... :) )

	S.P. Foo
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Is a certain type of music bad?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 06:00:26 CDT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Is there anything wrong with a certain type of music?  What I mean is, 
I've read a book that says certain music (extreme noises, distortion,
etc.) is dangerous to listen to.  Now I know there are lots of Christian 
thrash bands, and even some industrial and techno.  Is it bad?  I really 
like the industrial and techno sound, but I can't really get into it 
because it's all secular (I don't agree with the lyrics, lots of it is 
blasphemous and anti-religious).  I would love to get into Christian 
industrial and techno if it has a similiar sound to the secular stuff.  I 
don't have much of a tape collection, so I'm really interested.  Anyway, 
back to the above question, I'd really like to know.  Thanks.
 
Titan

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Donna Godchaux -- Zoe(?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:33:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.194445.12880@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba) writes:
>
>Years ago, after Keith and Donna left the Dead, and Keith died, I
>recall hearing that Donna became a christian and was singin in a band
>called Zoe (?).
>
>I never did hear anything of theirs or anything about them since, but
>I liked Keith and Donna's solo album on round records and imagine that
>I might like Zoe's music.
>
>Can anyone give me any information?  Opinions on similarities between
>later music and Keith & Donna/Dead music.  

I recall hearing a Zoe album in the mid-eighties.  The album was a 
couple years old by then, and I don't know if Donna's recorded anything
since.  The sound was somewhat like the Dead - spacey, lots of 
guitar noodling (ooops - I mean improvisation), some extended jams.
And of course you got Donna's voice, a fact that some of us consider
a major detriment.  Oh well.  It didn't do much for me, but I can
at least attest that there's an album out there.  

The late, lamented Christian Arts magazine _Radix_ interviewed Donna
about this time.  It was pretty revealing, and I came away convinced
that Donna's conversion was the real thing (this, in spite of 
her literal claim that "Jesus came to me during an acid trip").  
She talked a lot about repentance, acknowledging her inability to
change herself, and loving and obeying God.  She named her band
"Zoe" (the Greek word for "life) because of the new life that she
had found in Christ.  Good stuff.

Oh yeah - she still has a thing for keyboard players.  She married
Mike somebodyorother, the keyboard player for Zoe.

>--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:59:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Performance package
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: MWS and Image
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.214131.17358@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>>I don't think it's wrong that the church recognizes the fact
>>that image is important.  The church's goal is to tell people about 
>>Jesus, and glorify God.  If by having a particular hair-style you are
>>able to tell more people about God, I don't see a problem with it.
>
>I do.  Seems to me I read a Scripture somewhere about not being conformed
>to the ways of the world.  Jesus demanded that people meet Him on His 
>terms.  Don't recall him ever worrying about what he looked like when He
>preached.
>>

  It seems that people say things like "don't be conformed to this world"
  to justify positions such as "don't have long hair." [Noel, I'm not
  sure if you're saying this]

  So some people say that "having long hair is conforming to the world, and
  is therefore bad." but consider this: most of "the world" in this country
  has _short_ hair. So should we say that it is the people with _short_
  hair who are conforming to the world? "Being respectable" to the world is
  a big concern for some Christians ("yeah, don't be WEIRD like those
  people with long hair and leather jackets, be NORMAL and wear short hear
  and Botany 500.").  Is that not also conformity? When I go to church 
  services on sunday mornings, I sometimes feel like I'm at a chamber of
  commerce meeting. I think talking about "conforming to this world" in
  terms of dress or clothing (and I'm not referring to Madonna type 
  antics) is for hte most part silly. is there a way out?

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jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait
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From: tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:37:00 GMT

caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes...
>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>>>jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>>>
>>>>jason "next they'll be saying there's no such thing as free will" steiner
>>>Free will is largely overrated.
>>Yeah?  Well, I think God is forcing me to ignore your opinion.  
>Quite possibly, the question is, though, is he simply honoring your desire
>to ignore my opinion?

Aaaggghhh.   OK, I think God is telling me that since no one has free
will that no one can discuss this "free will" topic willfully (which
doesn't really exist anyway) or unwillfully on this list since it has
nothing to do with rec.music.christian anyway.

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From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 06:02:52 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

Okay, I've heard a number of people say that certain sounds are bad.  
Like listening to Acid music (which techno & industrial is like).  I 
don't know, most of the young Christians today wouldn't have problems 
with it.  It's just the older folks.  I remember at a Christian camp, the 
speaker said chimes (those things that make nice sounds in the wind!) 
attract evil spirits.  I've heard alot of weird stuff!  But as someone said 
before, it's the lyrics that count.  Some of these people are still in 
the 50's!  :-)  They've got to understand that young Christians today 
won't listen to drab.  Oh well.. I know lots of people have come to the
Lord through Christian music.  There can't be anything wrong with that!
 
Thanks for replying to my previous post.  I think I'll check out some cool 
Christian music.  
 
Titan
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Pray for MWS
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:16:01 GMT

I know it might seem that I really dislike MWS from my recent posts (which I
don't.  I just don't like his album), but I've been really concerned about him
and his ministry.  That's why I'm posting this.

I've heard this from a grapevine, but it's a Christian, big-name grapevine 
consisting of two people who I don't think would lie about this (ie, I trust my
source completely, but I haven't personally witnessed this).  Lately, Nashville
has been invaded by secular labels waving big contracts with big bucks and
possessions attached to them.  These contracts also include a clause that says
to say or do whatever you want, just don't mention Jesus in your songs.  This
is not a joke!

Also, MWS seems to be having second thoughts trying to justify the money he's
getting.  At the very least, pray that he has the wisdom of God in his
decisions.  Personally, I'm praying (and would like others to pray) that he
tells Geffen to take a leap and proclaims Jesus as much as possible until his
secular success is gone.  Not only do I think that this would be better for all
his listeners (both secular and Christian), but also better for him and any
smaller artists considering to follow his lead.


				Please Pray,

				Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Extreme's new album
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:46:35 GMT

bulloj@aix.rpi.edu ( ) writes:

>Am I the only person who was thinking this...? The new Extreme single
>"Make Love" or whatever it's called... the very first time I heard
>it, for about 10 or 15 seconds I thought I was listening to a 
>new song by King's X. Does anybody else think the sound is similar
>(between the Extreme single and King's X, that is)? You know, that
>heavy, layered, non-major-chord stuff that King's X plays seems to 
>be the same or very close to the new Extreme song they've been playing 
>on the radio. Anybody agree? Or am I just crazy?

Absolutely.  I thought exactly the same thing, except it took me about
30 seconds to correctly identify.  And the key for me was Extreme's
lead singer (Nuno?) voice.  Had there been no lead vocals I might
still be thinking I heard a King's X song.

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Awful Truth question
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:06:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct3.010610.15843
Organization: Western Washington University

EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy) writes:

>  Well, I finally called up the CD store around Penn State and asked if they
>had The Awful Truth in stock. Of course not...good bands aren't on the shelf
>when you want them! Right? Anyway, I ordered the CD so it should be here by
>next week, but a good review by other Awful Truth fans would be great. I'd
>like to hear about different aspects about the band....
>                                 any and all information will be
>                                 greatly appreciated. Thanks...

Well, I'm one of the lucky few who have the Awful Truth CD.  I can
tell you that it's *very* hard to find.  And if you like King's X
and the Galactic Cowboys you'll probably really love The Awful
Truth.  God is mentioned in the lyrics quite a bit by name;
much more so than on a King's X or Cowboys album.  I count
it among my favorite albums!

-BarryB
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: review: Adam again DAS (alt)
Keywords: alternative
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <BvIo7B.8qL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles W. Fay IV) writes:
>(now seriously)  It is a really good album.  Adam Again (to the unfamiliar) is  made up by Gene Eugene (of Lost Dogs, and as a mix-man on countless albums, 
>he also owns part of Brainstorm Artists, but that is beside the point), Riki 
>Michele (wife of Gene, and has an album of her own), Paul Valadez, and Jon
>Knox (yes, the skins and tubs man in WhiteHeart).  So now you know the band

Well, you left out Greg Lawless who is responsible for most of that great
guitar work you like ;-)

Really, its ok, I was the one who told everyone that the one that was Gene
Eugene was the bald guy!  (Ok, so he's really the guy with the ball cap
and the bald guy is Greg Lawless.  You guys/gals are getting what you pay for
here ;-)

And don't forget that Gene Eugene is also Prickly Disco of Swirling Eddies fame!

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
          Head full of this kaleiedeoscope of brain-freight
              Heart full of something simple and slow
        Love Is Not The Only Thing / Mark Heard / Second Hand
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From: zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:29:49 GMT

I know I'm a little late on this, but I was busy. It is my personal opinion that
it depends on what you listen to the music for. I don't take the same stand that
my favorite bands do, but I still like their music. For instance,(no flames 
please) I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the fact 
that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views politically or morally.
But I still like their music. I also like Whitecross for the same reasons (but
I more or less agree w/ their views), see what I mean?...
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM from BMG? (oops)
From: babb@malibu.dst.battelle.org (Larry Babb (Dayton office))
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:56:47 GMT
Organization: Battelle Defense Systems and Technology

Sorry gang... My email address on daytona is babb@daytona... instead of 
lbabb@daytona

			- Larry
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Mortification- new one
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.032307.3756@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
> 
> In article <1a76tiINNo0b@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu> superc@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase) writes:
> >
> >Has anyone heard the new mortification. I have heard nocturnal and that's it. Is
> >it as good as their first one???
> >
> >-- 
> >Shawn E. Chase             "Live like you'll die tomorrow,
> >SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu         die knowing you'll live forever."
> >aka Tha Hood of Good        -Rich Mullins 'Live Right'
> >        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse                  
> 
> Dude, it DESTROYS the first one! This one is much more musically authentic
> and has more musical integrity! It rips!!!

                  OOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Get it if you haven't got it yet! And if you like stuff in the BRUTAL
> vein, get Deracination's CD



         I absatotally agree!!!!

                      The DOK
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