From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportaion
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:07:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.234802.28394@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# >In talk.politics.mideast makowsky writes:

# >># If some jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# >># then we come to the root question that is: Where jews came from and where
# >># palestinians came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..
 
# >>	The Jews come from there.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
# >>invaders.
 
# Excuse me,

	You're excused.

# the last time I checked Abraham came from what is now Iraq, the
# jews conquired the area under Joshua. You don't suppose they are descendants
# of people who lived in the area at the time of the islamic conquest? Or has
# the land remained empty from 70 A.D. till then?

	Fine.  fine some of the descendents from whom Joshua conquered the
land and make a claim.  Until than, shut up.

# Askenazi jews are descendants of people who converted to Judiasm in the middle
# ages and have no relation to sephardim execpt the religion.

	You do not know what you are talking about.  I am Ashkenazic and
am descendent of thoseJews  who were exiled.

# Nobody came from anywhere. People come and go in the course of history. You
# can't move millions of russians and poles to "return" just because 
# co-religionists used to live there a couple of millenia ago.

	No one wants to do that.  We are just reclaiming what is ours.
And we are not Russians or Poles.  Besides the fact that we do not
wish to be, the Russians and Poles have made it known we are not them.

# >># Palestine is NOT "a land without nation for a nation with out land."
# actually the quote is:               people       people
 
# >>	Correct.  There has never been a "palestine?".
 
# Who gives a shit? So what? Does that deny the rights of the people who live
# between the jordan river and the sea (whatever the hell you want to call it).

	Nope.  But it does not give them non existent rights either.

# So what if there was a state called Israel several centuries ago? There were
# many state everywhere all through out time. There once was a arab/muslim state
# in what is now Spain. You don't see them demanding their divine right to
# establish a muslim state in Spain.

	That is their problem/choice.  We are not bound by others
decisions.

# Many state came and went in the "area". The issue is NOW.

	Fine.  Lets settle things according to the way they are right NOW.

# The whole premise of
# Israel is base on the grounds of "God gave it to us, everybody else get the
# fuck out!"

	If you believe that than you are extremely ignorant.  Now, many do
believe that, but not everyone.

# Finally don't forget, the mightiest empire have fallen, it might have taken
# a few hundred years but it happens. The state of Israel has fallen before and
# will fall again just like all other states.

	You might be correct about Israel falling again, but I think not.
At any rate, what states have risen again like Israel?

# Who would have thought that USSR
# would fall after 70 years.

	Anyone smart enough to know that Communism was doomed due to its
very nature.

# "Ina ghaddann Le Nathirahu gareeb"

	What?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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