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From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:35:01 GMT

D. Nathan Hood...

> ...again Mr. Silverman was merely
> expressing his opinion and this is a free country and there is nothing
> stopping him from doing that... if you are going to try i suggest you go
> back about 50 years and cross the atlantic and join up with the third
> Reich... because you don't belong here... and because he couldn't back them
> up that is no reason to flame him... just because Mr. Shea is more eloquent
> or expressive than Mr. Silverman is no reason to flame him...

Dammit!  Point to Mr. Hood.  Ray?  Clay?  Leo?  Where were you guys?  Hood
beat you by a MILE in dragging the Nazi reference into the discussion.
Dammin dammit dammit!  If you guys are just going to SLEEP your way through
this discussion, then we're going to have to draft some new cult members.

As for you, Mr. Hood, I don't know where you get the impression that anyone
has suggested that Mr. Silverman not be allowed, nay ENCOURAGED, to post
his opinions here.  I'm even happy to have him post them in the guise of
unargueable, objective fact, if he so desires.  But, you and he must both
realize that this is a discussion forum, and we are all free to respond to
his posts in whatever way we see fit.  Freedom to post cuts both ways.  If
Mr. Silverman doesn't want his proclamations questioned, he probably
shouldn't post them to a worldwide public forum.  If he wishes to ignore
the resulting criticism, then he should do so.

-dx
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: awhichel@robin.rp.csiro.au (Adrian Whichello)
Subject: Music Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Faci
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:22:00 GMT

Dear Netters

I was trying to show my wife, Julie Wright, the usefulness of Network News. She
is the secretary of the NSW branch of the Australian Music Therapy Association
and she said "Okay, then, where do I find Music Therapy?" I must admit that she
has me stumped; there doesn't appear to be a group concerned with therapy at
all, much less Music Therapy! Does anyone know of a suitable group that I may
have missed?

 					Adrian Whichello (for Julie Wright)
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:38:32 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov16.173003.29617@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>>Where, in fact, are any black artists at all, on this list of Top 10 
>>Bands of genres created and influenced, for the most part, by black 
>>musicians?
>
>I've been wondering why this has never been discussed on this BBS.


It HAS, you little freshman simp.  You think you can fool us posting
from an .edu site?  HA!  We...oh, hi, Clayton.

>HEY!  Coltrane's lyrics can't TOUCH Niel Peart's.  All the guy could
>come up with is A LOVE SUPREME repeated over and over and over.

Yeah, that's not deep!  "Today's Tom Sawyer, he get's high on you!",
dude; he couldn't even sell out Giant Stadium.  Just played in small
clubs like Birdland....what does THAT tell you?

>How can you compare that to lyrics written by a guy with a PhD in
>theosophy?  Know what, Mr. Shea?  NOT EVEN A COMPLETE SENTENCE!!!!

Your rite!!!!



-- 
Ray Shea                               I woke up this morning,
UniSQL, Inc.                           all my shrimps was dead and gone...
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu       
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:03:30 GMT

Michael Silverman...

> I doubt you have heard Rush, becaus if you did, you would know that for the
> *rock* genre, they are as good as it gets. 
 
Clayton Glad...

> Actually, Ray has not heard any rock music at all.  He doesn't much
> care for it.  Just his personal opinion.

Aww, c'mon Clay, school's back in session, so put on your professor's
cap (tassle to the left, I think) and give the poor guy a straight answer.

Ray, Clay and I have spent many hours together listening to Rush (I think
the first time was when we saw them on the 2112 tour at Winterland in
San Francisco...).  We just realized, nay, we were forced to confront the
OBJECTIVE fact, that Yes is really the best rock band of all time.

It's true, though, that we spend a lot more time discussing and debating
the lyrics from Rush albums than from Yes albums.

-dx
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:45:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.cubsfan.721939526
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx

In <1992Nov16.174507.474@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:

>You've heard *plenty* of black music, pal.  You've just heard it 
>performed by white artists.

No, you are wrong. I agree with you thank Black artists helped influence
the early days of rock and roll, but saying that all music today is
directly linked to Black artists is like claiming the Thomas Edison is
responsible for the computer just because it runs on electricity.


>And if the list is *your* personal opinion, and you cop to such absurdly
>narrow musical experience, why the hell is your list under a "best of

>Actually, Ray has not heard any rock music at all.  He doesn't much

Compare these two statements. The write claims that I have a very
narrow musical experience, and then goes on to say that he hasn't
listened to any rock music at all. Talk about the pot calling the kettle 
black!  By the way, for your own reference, Ray, I have had
the unfortunate experience of being exposed extensively to rap music
(due to having a friend who likes it), and I also enjoy some classical
music.

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Turtles
From: olive@edale.amigans.gen.nz (Wayne Hoyle)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 16:48:03 GMT
Organization: Down on the farm

Can anyone tell me the Turtles line up and who wrote Happy Together ...
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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

Doesn't young Silverman at least get some sort of award for inciting
the normally quiet and helpful Ray Shea to such vituperative heights?
If memory serves, the award is that old James Brown compilation :-)


--
-The world exhausts everything except my eyes/because it is a long walk to the
world/begun before I was born. In the far corner/the dead woman bows off stage
The television/crumples into a white dot as the last/train of the evening - my
train, is announced/I lived in one place. I want to die in another 608-828-3385
From: andreb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Andre Bergholz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: No Simple Minds Mailing List???
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:28:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

Just got the following mail from the moderator of rec.music.info:

]> Is there no Simple Minds Mailing List???
]
]Not as far as I know, no.
]
]> If there is really none, how about founding one
]> (or a newsgroup)?
]
]A newsgroup would be, in my opinion, a bad idea, but
]a mailing list could be useful to people. I suggest you
]post something to rec.music.misc to find out if there
]is interest in such a list.
]
]Good luck with it,

Anybody interested?

Andre


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From: warkent@ltisun13.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Opinions (was Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:41:03 GMT
	<1eej5dINNt01@life.ai.mit.edu> <leo.722161888@galaxy>
	<cubsfan.722207274@camelot>
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 21:07:54 GMT

In article <cubsfan.722207274@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) wrote:
> I am the orignal poster of this thread...I was bored, and decided to post
> my opinion of the top 10 bands of all time.

A great reason to post to hundreds of thousands of sites all over the world.

Nobody cares who you consider to be the "top ten bands of all time".

   "Wow, Michael Silverman likes Rush!  Hey, get outta my way; I'm
    heading for the Rush bin before it sells out."

What might be interesting is why you consider a band to be great.
However, when your reasons boil down to "I like them because I know
them and I don't know these others," you deserve every flame that
you get.

To all people who might wish to contribute to this group, I repeat:

  WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN UNINFORMATIVE, BORING STATEMENTS OF YOUR
  PERSONAL TASTES.

  We are interested in informative opinions explaining why you like/dislike
  something.

A third time for the hard of reading, the key words are
INFORMATIVE, INTERESTING, READABLE, and WITTY.  Feel free
to add more.

And read news.announce.newsusers goddamit.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:45:07 GMT

ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>Where, in fact, are any black artists at all, on this list of Top 10 
>Bands of genres created and influenced, for the most part, by black
>musicians?

cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>The reason I chose no Black bands in my list is because the list is 
>*my* personal opinion, and I haven't heard very much Black music, 
>therefore (even if it may be better than some of my bands) I didn't 
>choose any. 

You've heard *plenty* of black music, pal.  You've just heard it 
performed by white artists.

And if the list is *your* personal opinion, and you cop to such absurdly
narrow musical experience, why the hell is your list under a "best of
all time" heading?  Why not "Mikey's 10 fave bands"?  Maybe because then
nobody would bother reading it?

>I doubt you have heard Rush, becaus if you did, you would know that for the
>*rock* genre, they are as good as it gets. 

Actually, Ray has not heard any rock music at all.  He doesn't much
care for it.  Just his personal opinion.

-- Clay
  	   "If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or
	    school metaphysics, for instance, let us ask; does
	    it contain any abstract reasoning concerning 
	    quantity or number?  No.  Does it contain any 
	    experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact
	    and existence?  No.  Commit it then to the flames,
	    for it can contain nothing but sophistry and
	    confusion."
				-- Niel Peart
From: northcot@med.unc.edu (Robert W. Northcott)
Subject: Re: Name this tune
Originator: northcot@nakina
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:44:41 GMT

"Lay Down (Candles in the Rain)" was Melanie Safka's first hit, and (I
think) the best song about Woodstock.  She had a bigger hit with "Brand
New Key".  Mott the Hoople do a devastating version of "Candles in the
Rain" on their "Wildlife" LP (if you can possibly find it, that is) on
Atlantic (I think it was their third, not sure, but either before or after
"Mad Shadows".
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: paul.fletcher@rose.com (paul fletcher)
Subject: Musicians and Zodiac
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:56:37 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-17-92 22:53


    Has anyone ever done any research on what zodiac signs the various 
rock musicians fall into?  It would be interesting to see if any 
particular sign favours them and why.

    I have always been interested in this and was wondering if any 
information has been collected on this subject.



Lorraine
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: gwkfong@v8803s (Fong Whye Koon)
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:13:00 GMT

testing
From: andyy@visionware.co.uk (Andy Yates)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: MADONNA: Erotica Extra Track
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:30:39 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

wcrusher,

You're right of course.  The rap one I'm referring to is "Did you do it?"
This is the one I absolutely abhor.

Mgraham, your advice should be well heeded by anyone who is
thinking of buying it in the States.  Unfortunately, we don't
have a choice in the UK and we suffer for it!

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: mcadamw@coch11.alleg.edu (William McAdams)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:09:13 GMT

In article <92324.205614MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>  writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.233424.2539@pellns.alleg.edu>,  
mcadamw@coch11.alleg.edu (William McAdams) says:
> >
> >In article <1992Nov18.170939.18593@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
> >glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
> >> In <4189@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
> >
> >> >How would you compare Rush to, say, the Velvet Underground [...]
> >>
> >> > [...] or James Brown [...]
> >>
> >> This one's easy.  JB would never have been a success if it hadn't
> >> been for his dancing and for that "Living in America" video.  Since
> >> dancing is a non-musical activity it only detracts from the essential
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >musicality of music.
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > This a complete non-sensical bullshit. It is bad enough that you do  
not
> >know what you're talking about, but by trying to "intellectualize" it,  
you
> >come across as an even bigger moron.
> >
> > JB is IMHO a musical genius, just listen to "Live at the  
Apollo"(1962),
> >or the "Star Time" box set.
> 
> BZZZZZTTTT.  Lose.  Can someone say SARCASM.  I knew you could.

 OK - I admit it. I jumped the gun just a little bit- but with some
of the stuff I've seen written here- I wasn't too sure that it 
*really was* sarcasm. My apologies... 

BILL
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris)
Subject: Re: Who did this song?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:36:59 GMT

In <ivy.721872838@camelot> ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles) writes:

>Was it perchance "Come On Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners?
>Was it a video with a bunch of guys in overalls?
>I don't remember where they were from, though, sorry.

I believe they are an Irish band.
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:55:25 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1eejitINNt2k@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
>And, likewise, you might realize that (contrary to what you said in your
>last message) it's possible that intelligent people with broad musical
>experience might conisder Rush to be really excellent, and perhaps even
>place them in their list of top 10 bands with confidence.

Sure, no problem.  But I've got Silverman saying that I'm obviously an
idiot who has never even heard Rush just because I dared to think that
maybe they were not quite as good as a ton of music which he thinks is
not important enough to even listen to *once*.

-- 
Ray Shea                               I woke up this morning,
UniSQL, Inc.                           all my shrimps was dead and gone...
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu       
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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Dave Clark Five
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:58:10 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

I'm not a subscriber to this group so please direct all replies to my userid.
I'm sure this gets asked alot but what's happened to the rights of the DC5
songs?  I was told by a record store employee that he refuses to sign with
anyone because he wants too much money compared to what the companies will
offer.

I know his albums are out of print all over the world, even though he has
a loyal following.  Any and all information is appreciated.

I'll post a summary if I receive anything.

Thank you
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: djohna@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (John Ackerman 3568)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor doesn't quit
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:33:33 GMT

mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthias Radestock) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Nov13.193747.9769@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, djohna@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (John Ackerman 3568) writes:
>  Isn't there any chance she'll reconsider? Offer her cigarettes or something!
: 
mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthias Radestock) writes:
: You don't have to buy her records. So what do you gain if she quits? Nobody
: forces you to watch her TV appearances or read her interviews. But there are 
: many people that DO like her music and/or DO agree with the basic ideas in her
: statements! And if she ever thought about quitting you should take this very
: serious! Tell me one thing for which you would quit your job! So if you think 
: the your statement with the cigarettes was funny, it wasn't at all!
: 

 Matthias,

  Please forgive me. I was only joking. Sinead has a perfect right to
  think as she chooses and speak her mind as she chooses. I do not for
  one second begrudge her that. Her choice of expression I perhaps
  would question. But hey who am I? Just another idiot with network
  access right?

  Relax. Sinead wouldn't want you to stress so, n'est pas?

  Cheers.

  John
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: The Boss's backup singer/gtrist/etc?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:43:53 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regal.cisco.com


	Hey, I just saw a clip of Bruce Springsteen from MTV (I think
	they called it 'MTV Plugged' 'cause it was like an unplugged
	episode, but not accoustic), and he had this really great black
	lady backing him up on vocals/congas/guitar... Anyone know what 
	her name is? 


			Thx-

	-Karl

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: The "Musicality of Dancing" (Was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:45:47 GMT

In <1992Nov20.222812.16312@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:

>I don't "typically think" about dancing very often, as I'm not very good
>at it myself, and I don't, as a rule, enjoy watching it that often (which
>is too bad--Salt Lake City is the home of several world-class modern dance
>companies, and it's the one cultural area in which the city truly shines). 

>When I think of Pink Floyd and the Who, I have no problem thinking of people 
>dancing to it ("Underture" or "Interstellar Overdrive" might make rather nice
>modern dance recital pieces.  In fact, I see absolutely nothing about the
>music of either group that would present any special difficulty.


again a very good point is presented here... i was simplyu making my
judgement on the fact that if you go to a party and ask the Dj to play
Interstellar overdrive and he did all the people would stop dancing and
look at the Dj funny... well maybe not all the people but enough for my
point to be made clear i think... please try this at home...
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm K. Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: mid 60s Kinks song mystery
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:14:21 -0500
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu


The song The End Of The Seasom was first released by the Kinks in Sep 1967
it seems.  Yet the Uglys covered it on a single in Sep 1966!!  The arrangement
was even similar.  Uglys front man was Steve Gibbons.  Kinks must have had it
siting in the can for over a year and tapes got out ...

Comments??

Email please!

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: alchemy@cssun1.bradley.edu (Michael Swiston)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: salt of the earth in open wounds.
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:24:07 GMT

In <falcon.722284661@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

% discussion is never meaningless unless someone is closed
% minded to the point that they reject other's _opinions_ without
% consideration...

This argument stems not from anyone rejecting anyone else's
opinions out of hand, but rather from Ray Shea questioning
Silverman's list of the "Top 10 bands of all time".  
Ray's whole point is that if you're going to make such broad
claims about your *opinions* (eg, the "all time" part), then
you should have a decent foundation of *fact* upon which to
base your *opinion*.  Silverman admitted that he had no such
foundation, and then stated that his lack was irrelevant.
I must say I am not surprised at the contents of his list,
however; it was EXACTLY what I would expect from the average 
Bradley student.

% >> I am the orignal poster of this thread...I was bored, and decided to post
% >> my opinion of the top 10 bands of all time. 

% >Personally, I would have preferred for you to write a good review of a
% >new album, or to write an essay on (why not) your favourite bands, or
% >something else just a tad more useful to the net in general than what
% >you did.

% and your point is... 

The POINT is that, if someone is lacking knowledge in an area, it
is wiser for them to talk about what they do know than to pretend 
that the things they don't know are unimportant.

% _how_ can you think that Mr. Shea's opinions are more valid that
% Mr. Silverman's... 

Because Mr. Shea has shown himself to be vastly more informed
on the subject of music than Mr. Silverman.


In <falcon.722286753@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

% some of my favorite bands my friends have never even heard of and most of
% the people i know don't even know who they are... examples, Midnight Oil
% and the Shamen... now you may know who they are but most don't... 

Bradley students are a very poor sample on which to judge the
relative fame of any bands that don't fit into the standard
Top 40 or classic rock playlists.

--
                                     War's good business so give your son
alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu              and i'd rather have my country die for me
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk (imcneill)