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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Questions about SGI floppy drive
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:01:35 GMT

In <nsji454@zuni.esd.sgi.com> dwong@sgi.com (David Wong) writes:

| In article <1992Jul28.184356.18370@cs.wayne.edu> atems@hal.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems) writes:
| >I am considering buying SGI's internal floppy drive for an Indigo.
| >Does anyone have any experience with this drive? I intend to use it
| >mainly to archive data generated by software running under IRIX.
...
| >2). Do you have to be superuser and use the mount(1M) command to mount
| >floppies, or will msdosd do this for you even if they are efs volumes?
| 
| yes, you have to be superuser to mount a EFS floppy.  msdosd in the current
| release won't work on EFS floppy.

Ooops;  David is more up to speed that I am on this.  I *thought* it
worked in 4.0.5, but if David says it doesn't, you'll have to wait
until a future release.

Also note that we don't make block devices by default for the floppy,
partly because the efs floppy isn't terribly well supported (don't
eject it while it is mounted, for example...).
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From: SERRER@odin.nrc.ca (Martin Serrer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Reality Engine performance
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:43:27 GMT

Hi,

  I had been in the process of writing a proposal for a new machine thinking
that the new Venice Graphics would really haul ass. I was disappointed however
when I saw David Blythes posting showing that the polygon performance is still
at the same level as the VGX. (1.1 million polygons/sec (meshed, flat-shaded))
  While I realize that in other areas there have been improvements I'm still
sitting here waiting for a machine that can do an order of magnitude better.
While some people need the realism of textures (which seems to be where SGI
is spending their money), our geometry is purely representational.
  My applications are designed to interactively view simulations of coastal
processes including wave disturbance, sediment transport, ice floes etc.
Typical grid sizes are 400x400, so to view a single wave disturbance animation
at 'real rate' (15 frames/sec.) I need to be able to crunch 4.8 Million tmeshed
polys/sec. On top of that I have a need to concurrently display at least 2
surfaces. If we want to increase the size of our grid things get even worse.
And on and on and on...
  Rendering to video tape (which we do now) kills the interactive nature of
the visualization.
  So my question to SGI is... Are we going to see a machine that can do
>10 million polys/sec. anytime in the near future?
  Comments, flames and criticism welcome... Martin

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From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: a few Indigo & 4d35 questions
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:23:22 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company; Culver City, CA

Hi!
     I have some various Indigo, 4d35 questions....

Does SGI support a DAT drive for the 4D/35?  Is it the same as the DAT for
the Indigo?  Does it also support DDS and audio?

Does Indigo StarterVideo only work on an entry level Indigo, or will it
also work on a 4D/35?

We have a 4D/20 with a 580mb (?) hard disk from SGI and a QIC 150 tape
drive.  Will these work if we disconnect them from the 4D/20, keep them in
a separate chassis, and connect them to the external SCSI port of an
Indigo?

What is the performance of entry graphics on an r4000 Indigo/rpc50?  Is
it the same as for entry graphics on a Crimson (375k vect, 36k tri, 10k
poly)?

Previous postings listed the price (starting August 1st) of an r3000
Indigo/rpc (with 16mb instead of 8mb) as entry:$7,995 (no change) and
xs:$11,495 (was $13,000).  Are there any prices changes for the xs24
and elan?

Thanks for any answers!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: steve@ecf.toronto.edu (Steve Kotsopoulos)
Subject: Re: making xdtm ?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.031239.11169@cc.umontreal.ca> rick@proust.CERCA.UMontreal.CA (Richard Lefebvre) writes:
>Has anyone succesfully compile the xdtm package (2.4 or 2.5) on the IRISes.
>
>I can even get make to work (it stops at the 'sed' line).  Even
>if I bypass this I get the followig error:
>
>cc -I. -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -DSYSTEM_HELP=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/help\"  -DSYSTEM_XDTMRC=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/xdtmrc\"  -DSYSTEM_HELP_PERM=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/perm.help\" -g -prototypes -cckr -float  -I/usr/include -I.   -DSYSV -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL  -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -c parser.c
>        lex -t lexical.l > lexical.c
>        cc -I. -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -DSYSTEM_HELP=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/help\"  -DSYSTEM_XDTMRC=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/xdtmrc\"  -DSYSTEM_HELP_PERM=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/perm.help\" -g -prototypes -cckr -float  -I/usr/include -I.   -DSYSV -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL  -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -c lexical.c
>cpp: warning /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h:99: input: argument mismatch
>ccom: Error: /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h, line 99: syntax error

[ other errors deleted ]

>anybody as any Idea on this, thanx

This is covered in the file "Problems" that comes with xdtm-2.5.

I got it to compile, but it core dumps when changing directories sometimes.
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From: rick@proust.CERCA.UMontreal.CA (Richard Lefebvre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: making xdtm ?
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:12:39 GMT
Organization: Cerca, Universite de Montreal

Has anyone succesfully compile the xdtm package (2.4 or 2.5) on the IRISes.
This is an alternative to WorkSpace that works on all X terminal.

I can even get make to work (it stops at the 'sed' line).  Even
if I bypass this I get the followig error:

cc -I. -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -DSYSTEM_HELP=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/help\"  -DSYSTEM_XDTMRC=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/xdtmrc\"  -DSYSTEM_HELP_PERM=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/perm.help\" -g -prototypes -cckr -float  -I/usr/include -I.   -DSYSV -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL  -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -c parser.c
        lex -t lexical.l > lexical.c
        cc -I. -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -DSYSTEM_HELP=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/help\"  -DSYSTEM_XDTMRC=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/xdtmrc\"  -DSYSTEM_HELP_PERM=\"/usr/lib/X11/xdtm/perm.help\" -g -prototypes -cckr -float  -I/usr/include -I.   -DSYSV -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL  -DHAS_STRSTR -DECHO_N  -c lexical.c
cpp: warning /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h:99: input: argument mismatch
ccom: Error: /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h, line 99: syntax error
        int  (((yytchar=yysptr>yysbuf? *--yysptr:               ( _us_rsthread_stdio ? _semgetc(yyin) :                         ((--(yyin)->_cnt > 0 ||                         (((yyin)->_cnt == 0 ) && ((yyin)->_ptr != (yyin)->_base)))?                     (int) *(yyin)->_ptr++:                  ((yyin)->_cnt == 0 ? (int) *(yyin)->_ptr:_filbuf(yyin)))))==10?(yylineno++,yytchar):yytchar)==(-1)?0:yytchar)   
      -----------------^
ccom: Warning: /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h, line 99: Missing trailing ; in struct/union element list
        int  (((yytchar=yysptr>yysbuf? *--yysptr:               ( _us_rsthread_stdio ? _semgetc(yyin) :                         ((--(yyin)->_cnt > 0 ||                         (((yyin)->_cnt == 0 ) && ((yyin)->_ptr != (yyin)->_base)))?                     (int) *(yyin)->_ptr++:                  ((yyin)->_cnt == 0 ? (int) *(yyin)->_ptr:_filbuf(yyin)))))==10?(yylineno++,yytchar):yytchar)==(-1)?0:yytchar)   
      -----------------^
*** Error code 1

anybody as any Idea on this, thanx

Rick
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From: hofer@urz.unibas.ch (Remo Hofer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: putting it on the internet
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:30:32 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <npnjof4@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com 
(Vernon Schryver) writes:
> ...
> The "auto-config" sendmail available on sgi.com in ~ftp/sgi/sendmail
> might be useful.  Or just the "auto-config" version that came
> with IRIX 4.0.1.  To use the auto-configuring version
> 
> 	/etc/killall sendmail
> 	mv /usr/lib/sendmail.cf /usr/lib/sendmail.cf.old
> 	mv /usr/lib/sendmail.cf.auto /usr/lib/sendmail.cf
> 
> and then run /etc/configmail, as described in `man configmail` or in
> configmail's help messages.
> ... 
> Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com

I've moved sendmail.cf.auto to sendmail.cf some time ago, and mail works fine
for us (but mail delivery is a bit slow). Reading your post, I tried to look
at `man configmail`, but I did not find it on our system. `ls /etc/configmail`
didn't show any file either. I thought, I've installed all the system (not just
the defaults). So, what's about configmail and where can I find it?
BTW We are running IRIX 4.0.1 on a PI 4D/35.

Remo Hofer
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: SCSI Disk problems.
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:12:54 GMT

In <84086@netnews.upenn.edu> holder@central.cis.upenn.edu (Gaylord Holder) writes:

| Greeting fellow SGI'ers.  I have a HITACHI DK515C disk ina 4d70S
| system I want to move to my Indigo, but I keep having problems with
| the Indigo's power up SCSI diagnostics.  The error keeps telling me to
| check the cable, disk, or floppy.  It looks like a termination
| problem, but I have tried playing with all the combinations of
| termination stuff I can think of. 

See my comments on the motor start jumper on another posting to
comp.sys.sgi yesterday and today.

You also want to make sure the drive is terminated, assuming
it is at the end of the SCSI chain.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils
From: panisset@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Jean-Francois Panisset)
Subject: Address of Time Arts?
Keywords: Time Arts Creative License SGI
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:33:04 GMT


Does anyone have the address/phone number of a company called Time Arts?
They make a product for the SGI called Creative License, an image editing/
painting/retouching program. Please respond by e-mail...

Thanks in advance,

JF Panisset





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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Subject: 3rd party bootable drive?
Reply-To: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:48:04 GMT

I am looking at getting a new Indigo and need about 1G of disk. 3rd party  
prices even for internal drives are more attractive than SGI prices. Aside from  
potential support problems during the generous 90 day warrantee, are there any  
problems getting a 3rd party drive up and running (assuming firmware etc. are  
compatible - I mean initialization and making it bootable)?
--
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philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: loading miniroot over several gateways
From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: doelz@urz.unibas.ch
Organization: EMBnet Switzerland [BASEL]   

In article <stefans.712566348@bauv106>, stefans@bauv106.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Stefan Schwarz) writes:
|> It seems, the problem is within the network. I have to pass
|> several gateways to reach my load-host. But i don't know
|> whether my local machine has any information about routing when
|> working within PROM monitor.

It should not be a problem if the net is transparent (i.e., if the 'gateways'
you are talking about are repeaters or bridges). If you have routers
in between which block udp and other services, you will need to open
them up individually if possible. If you have REAL gateways (i.e., 
protocol translators) you must be damned lucky to get it going.

In my network we had a probmen with UDP and broadcasting across a cisco box.
I made it work accross the boxes by announcing the load host via 
a helper address, in the config this reads as 

(on the interface towards subnet 1) 

ip address 131.152.1.249 255.255.255.0
ip broadcast-address 131.152.1.255
ip helper-address 131.152.8.1

if the load host is  131.152.8.1 and the machine I want to load is in the
131.152.1 subnet. 

Maybe this helps, forgive me if I'm wrong, but it worked for me. 

Regards
Reinhard 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: rwatkins@BBN.COM (Ron Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: putting it on the internet
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:51:42 GMT
Reply-To: rwatkins@BBN.COM (Ron Watkins)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I am about to embark on the wonderful world of putting an
SGI machine on the internet since the latest OS installed
on this machine is 4.0.x and has the infamous SLIP built in.

Would someone who has done this before please post a
"cheat sheet" or "how to list"....
the leased line is being installed in a week, router/modem
provided by NearNet, and will take care of "their" end...
I'm not sure where to begin on the SGI end...

I suspect something like:
*  insure slip is running on the machine
*  edit so-and-so files so that a serial port on the machine
   connects to the router/modem
*  edit so-and-so files so that when users telnet/ftp, they
   get sent out that port
*  edit so-and-so files so that it accepts incoming mail and
   distributes it to mailbox's
*  edit so-and-so files so that netnews get pumped into the sgi
   and distributed/filtered 

but since I'm not sure, I'd really appreciate help in this
learning curve, and I'll in return, post a "step by step"
listing of the steps (and costs as well if anyone is interested).

Thank you...
ron

rwatkins@bbn.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:11487 comp.unix.bsd:3000
From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Beware of fileno()
Keywords: sunos, ultrix, stdio, fileno, lossage, irix
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:21:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <1992Jul24.141048.10911@aosg.gsf.dec.com> reeves@decvax.dec.com writes:
||> >Sean Eric Fagan   |> Andreas Stolcke
||> >... fileno() returns a char field in the FILE structure...one has to use
||> >	(unsigned char)fileno(stream) 
||> Current BSD sources have the _file element as a short.
|
|The same change went into ULTRIX over a year ago; I believe it's been released
|for nearly a year (it was definitely in V4.2, which isn't even the current
|release any more).
|-- 
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|		5 Wentworth Drive, MS GSF1-1K13, Hudson NH 03051-4929 USA
|+1 603 884 5859	reeves@decvax.dec.com	FAX: +1 603 884 1685

SGI Irix 4.0.1 still has it as "char _file;".  I wonder if they've
fixed it yet?  Luckily, the default behaviour for the SGI C compiler
is to treat all chars as unsigned.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,alt.lang.ml
From: paulr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Paul Riddle)
Subject: ML on Indigo
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:58:30 GMT



Hi,

Has anyone had any luck building SML on an Indigo?  It claims to
support the SGI under Irix 4.0.  I have to tell it to compile with
-cckr and to use fork() instead of vfork(), and then it is able to
compile and link the interpretor.  But, when it tries to load its
runtime functions, it prints out a bunch of messages indicating that
it is loading and executing various modules, and then hangs.  I've
tried it with SGI's cc and gcc 2.2.2.

Ideas, anyone?
Paul
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: johnson@euler.jsc.nasa.gov (Stan Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Setting SCSI ID on P6-D16S
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:30:39 GMT

We have a 1.6 GB disk (SGI P6-D16S) that I want to use as SCSI device 3 on
a 4D-25s.  Is there a way to change the SCSI ID of this disk?  It doesn't
have the pushbuttons to set the ID.  Thanks for any help..

-Stan Johnson
 NASA / Johnson Space Center
 Houston, Texas  77058
 johnson@euler.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: patrick@ERC.MsState.Edu
Subject: Re: When will templates be implemented in SGI C++?
Organization: /usr/home/patrick/.organization
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:44:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.214246.1681@wuecl.wustl.edu> jyp@swarm.wustl.edu (Jerome Plun) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Path: nntp.msstate.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!eclnews!swarm.wustl.edu!jyp
   From: jyp@swarm.wustl.edu (Jerome Plun)
   Keywords: C++, templates
   Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (Usenet Administrator)
   Nntp-Posting-Host: swarm
   Organization: Washington University in St. Louis, MO
   Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:42:46 GMT
   Lines: 14

	 We have Irix 4.0.2 with C++ 2.1.2 which does not handle template (but does
   so in a very nice manner :-) :
		"t.cc", line 1: sorry, not implemented:  template

	 Are there any plans to get the C++ compiler up to par with the language
   definition (3.0)?

	 Jerome

It is interesting to note that gcc-2.2.2 ( a native, free, C/C++
compiler available from the FSF) has support for templates already.
Yes this software is still quite buggy, but it is still officially in
beta test. Libg++-2.2 contains a free implementation of many other C++
features, such as streams, and so on. I compiled both of them with no
problems of a 4D/35 running 4.0.1.... Works pretty good, too, but DOES
have some bugs....

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Incremental linking problem
Keywords: linking
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:41:07 GMT

Hi,

I have some trouble getting dynamic linking to work with
IRIX 4.0.x for more than one object. This is what I do:

- ld -A <program> -T <address1> -N -x -o <output> file.o -lc
- ld -A <output> -T <address2> -N -x -o <output2> file2.o -lc

The second linking steps fails with:

/usr/bin/ld:
-A file defines loader-defined symbol _end

The symbol _end is defined because nlist(3) is used in <program>

I can load the first object file and call functions in it. Those function
in turn can call functions in <program> or libc.

Problems that I have already solved are:

    Warning: jump relocation out-of-range, bad object file produced, can't
    jump from 0x100136bc to 0x414240 (symbol name: printf) (call to"printf"
    resolved to a name in a different 256 megabyte memory area:
    the -y option to ld (example: -yprintf ) will show the reference and
    definition locations)

    This is solved by linking the <program> with -D 800000 (the executable is
    less than 4MB in size)

I want to use the symbol table of the result of the first load, because
of the extra symbols defined. (calling function from file2.o to file.o)

For several reasons I can't combine all loads to one commandline.

What happens is that end and _end are defined with the same value in
the original executable but with two different values in the resulting
output. My guess is that that is what confuses the linker.

Does anyone have a solution?

Casper
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