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From: Telestro ip Wandrun <"wesley: :baileyt"@kirk.msoe.edu>
Subject: RE: Most Dangerous Highlord
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King Rat writes:

> Pardon me, Telestro, for not quoting directly from your article (it hasn't
> reached Texas over the boards yet), but I beleive I recognize that psychopath
> in your party...
> 
> ....the one who started his gaming carreer as a Jack-the-Ripper type Asylish
> street thief seeking MORE adds in corruption who ended up on the wrong
> end of Pierre DeVris' invoked reality storm, got transformed, only to later
> later discover his TRUE IDENTITY as Kanzar the Contemptable, right-hand man
> to Dr. Mobius unitl Wu-Han arranged to have the psycho "disposed of" in
> the Asyle realm...
>
> He wouldn't cut the hearts out of every opponet he kills, would he?  And pack
> those hearts in a little pouch hanging at his belt until he gets HUNGRY, would
> he...?
>
> He wouldn't be the reason your GM is scared to run Highlord of Earth, for
> fear that Kanzar will welcome the coming of the bloody Aztec Empire with
> open arms... would he?
>
> Nah.  Must be someone else.


I certainly don't think that there could be more than one character like that in 
the whole Infiniverse..... If there were, I'd run screaming my head off and 
change my template to Victorian Lunatic.

And I think it would violate some natural law. Apeiros would have to take 
action.

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From: gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis)
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Subject: Re: The Land from Below (was Re: social axiom)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:29:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov11.070755.8556@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>Grant writes:

>>...don't count Rec Pakken out (provided it can maintain a bridge in the west)

>Only there is no bridge in the Western Land!

That's what I meant.

>>This is a problem; apparently, the LB is just 'flowing up' to the surface,
>>apparently due to Greg Farshtey's desire to see New York under the effect 
>>of the Law of Wonders. This begs the question: how will we get rid of it?
>>Has the LB's reality suddenly become stronger than CE's?
>
>This begs the question of what is left in New York to come under the
>effect of the Law of Wonders!  It's been over two years of being under
>the Living Land reality - even the parts in the dominant zone are
>going to be 60% transformed to something of Living Land reality!  And
>the pure zone, which covers most of New York, has a 100% transfor-
>mation rating after two years!

Well, nothing ever undergoes 100% transformation; it's like a radioactive
half-life. You're 99% right, though. I guess the whole area will be treated
as if it had always been under LB reality (once it transforms, that is).
But the transformed humans won't be so lucky.
	Ooh, I just had a nasty thought; what if the 'death on second
transform' rule applies to unliving things as well? 

The Grant Man
gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

"Gold is most excellent"- Christopher Columbus

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From: agreene@mta.ca
Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH
Reply-To: agreene@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:29:40 GMT

the Smooge, the Heavenly Nuker of Tharkold, the Blessed Avenger of Lowly
Tech 23 Core Earth, the Champion of All That is Good, Fair, and 
Non-toxic, the Scourge of Munchkins, the Epitome of Gamers Everywhere, the
Eater of Pea Soup, the Bane of Gospogs and Cabbage Rolls, and the
Antagonist of WEG writes:


>a blinding flash of light and with the single belief of a mortal
>the SMooGE rises into the heavens... he has transcended his mortal
>frame and become a god. (He also takes the 5 possibilities from
>Anthony Greene and gives him an add in Faith(Smooge).)
>
>the High Cardinal of the WHite Tower
>the Living Dios of Tech
>
>the Smooge

	So when do I get Focus?

--Anthony Greene
-Could green ketchup be the REAL DD of Core Earth?

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From: aodn307@BONGO.CC.UTEXAS.EDU(Joshua Henry Geurink)
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  GM vs Demon
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Michael writes:

> Well, lets see. If Sterret gets a malestorm before GM can act, yes, this can 
> happen. Otherwise,
> If GM acts first, he has +5 from reality scores, +3 for home turf. He needs 
> +13 for a clean transform, and both he and heckton can spend the first round 
> (sterret can only block GM's spending, not heckton's. Right?).

Wrong - you can negate the DD's Possibilities as well.  Of course,
having to negate 2 PPs a round will cause Sterret to lose his
Possibilities even faster, so that's not necessarily a bad thing for
the Gaunt Man.

> So, with the sum of two dice, GM needs at least an 18, average 21. Bye bye.

The Gaunt Man can get a second die from the Power of Fear though, so
this is still possible even if Sterret negates all the Possibilities.

> If you don't like that, try this:
> Heckton loans out his reality skill, GM does a one-shot clean transform, poof
> What? You say that heckton won't loan out his reality? Given a choice  
> between another 2 years, or getting started now, I'd say he'd go for it.

Darkness Devices cannot loan out their Reality skill, period.  Without
their Reality skill they cannot exist, so it never gets loaned out.

Besides, if Sterret were lucky enough to win, then obviously he's more
worthy to be Heketon's High Lord than the Gaunt Man was, so Heketon
will appear at the end of the fight and reality storm Sterret over to
Orrorshan reality (being offered the position of HL I don't think
Sterret would resist the transformation.)

> Reality combat is deadly. Just how did that E-S storm take 2-3 years,  
> anyways?

Both the Gaunt Man and the Heart of Coyote obviously had hundreds of
Possibilities to burn through, and being in a maelstrom its easy for
both sides to recharge themselves if they should be getting low.

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: "James H. Kiley" <jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Campaign, characters, etc.
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, Rick Pim wrote:

> >Excuse me?  Wish parsing?  Wish parsing is dependant upon the Magic
> >Axiom; not the skill level.  No cosm is at the level to allow wish
> >parsing, although Aysle is close.  I believe it's around 20 or so to
> >start getting wish parsing.
> 
> 
> rtfm :-) the Occult operates at an effective magic axiom of (i believe)
> 20, enough for unreliable wish parsing.

And with an Occult skill of a billion or so, his 'unreliable' wish parsing
would be, well, reliable.

Jim 
The.Gaunt.Man @TorgMUSH
you see my prejudice. :)



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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: New person questions
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1992, Jim Ogle wrote:

[Brian asks about start-up]

[Jim asks for suggestions about appropriate materials]

Well, I really liked the Relics of Power trilogy (Destiny Map, P-Chalice,
Forever City).  Since the first is also the gm screen, I'd say that's
pretty useful.

The major thing about running these, though, is the differences with the
sourcebooks.  To run these, I would want CyberPapacy and Orrorsh
sourcebooks along with the boxed set; having Orrorsh would also let you
update the Still World scenario in the boxed set.  Nile SB might also be
useful for that.

Since this will give the characters a taste of Living Land, CP, Nile,
Orrorsh, and Nippon, that gives you a pretty good idea what you want to do
thereafter.  I will suggest that, to do Orrorsh justice, the gm should try
his best to integrate the Orrorsh SB with the adventures (which were
written beforehand) so as to take advantage of the Power of Fear and such.

IMHO.

CJW

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  =====  Colin J. Wynne                     Washington & Lee University  =====
  =====  cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu              Lexington, Virginia      =====
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re:  Archive and GodNet...Good News
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Ok so players exist on his most holiests site Godnet... Now what about
TORGmush? Is that up for players yet?

the Smooge
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re: Most Dangerous Highlord
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Ok so once again I have started the THARKHOLD SUCKS/THARKHOLD IS THE
GREATEST FLAME WAR!!! So sue me... I won't go through the entire
speel about how Tharkhold makes me sick, or how in playtesting a demon
prince killed jezrael as she is written up as a super highlord in
four rounds (6 combats... 5 he won... 1 she won). I will just say
that I put her at the bottom of the list because she is the newest highlord
(little experience) and no matter how high her stats are she ain't going
to be as able as Malraux, Mobius, GM, or even Baruuh Kaah. And the stupid
thing that she comes from a tough cosm... phoooey... BK's cosm is tough
other than him and maybe a few lieutenants... very few edeinos have 20+
stats (Instead of a cosm of at least 100 at 20+). The ravagon's cosm
makes Tharkhold look like cheesecake... and even the twicenamed ones arent
creatures walking around with 20+ stats... I realize that any cosm can
be made munchkinish, its just that this cosm started from munchkinism (fan
boys) and its real hard to make it into anything but ROLLplaying...

the "I cant f*ck*ng wait until I nuke LA" Smooge


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From: cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
Subject: Re:  NEWS FLASH
Summary: Berlin gets it 50 years late
Keywords: nukes, L.A., Nile, Wu Han, Delphi, Kanawa, chase scenes
Organization: Kanawa Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:42:53 GMT

Oh, what an excellent plan by our pals in the Delphi Council!
Let's drop a nuclear weapon on L.A.

What do you mean, It didn't go off?

Better send someone in there to fetch it before the TechnoDemons scribble
runes all over it and and get a nuclear-powered Occultech bomb - and we
thought Mobius' damn Reality Bombs were bad...  It's sure a good thing
those Nile guys haven't heard about this!

What do you mean, Wu Han is missing?

What's that about Berlin?


Remember someone mentioning a while back that the mixed Cyberpapacy /
Nile / Tharkhold zone in Berlin would be a perfect place for Wu Han to
pop up?  Well, here's your hook.  Nile Villains and Kanawa and
Tharkhold and Our Heroes and Delphi and Wu Han & the Chekhovistas all
scrambling to get their hands on the missing nuke before it goes off,
and then a chase off to Berlin (for real fun, go UP the maelstrom
bridge to Tharkhold and back down the other bridge to Berlin) and
finally to the heart-stopping climax in Houston as our heroes ask
themselves the all-important question:

	"Hey, what the heck do we care if Delphi gets nuked?"

--
Carl Rigney
cdr@kpc.com

"The rule of thumb is: when WEG falls down on the job, pick up the
slack. Think of the look and feel of the cosm. Devise your own MOOD.
The rest will follow." -- Clint Wolf
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re:  NEWS FLASH
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I am just using Los A. and the Delphi Council for all its worth. In my world
Houston is surrounded... Aztec's to the south.. Most of the North has been
taken over by the Living Land now that the East and Western lands are
connected (although plague spreading gospogs arent happening.) The South
is rising again, and the people in charge are very worried that their
little party is almost over. So when the Apolcularum got fixed, and Tharkhold
expanded up to the living land and placed a stelae zone on San Fransisco
the Delphi Council acted.

The nuking of LA is a desperate last stand by a desperate government. It
is a hope that the Tharkholdu will pull out before things get too bad. It
pushed the Tharkholdu to drop on Berlin sooner than planned... but who
cares about Europe (official Delphi Policy). It is also a warning to the
Southern States thinking about seceding. You secede, you get nuked period.

[And I know how much damage F.A.E's do... its just that it is more
'politically correct' to use than thermo's]

Well stand by for the next NEWS FLASH... to see if the Tharkholdu pull
out before the Delphi council explodes (sounds like a porno dont it :)

the Smooge
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Tharkoldu Prince vs. The Gaunt Man
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Josh replies:

> >Option 3: reality storm?  Let's see how tough Sterret feels after
> >transforming.
> 
> Exactly what I was thinking while slogging through this mess...
> Some nastiness came to mind, though.  What if Sterret suddenly gains
> immunity to normal weapons/magic/whatever the GM is using at the time...
> Sure, Sterret can't buy off any more damage -- but he probably won't
> TAKE any more damage, either.

The only way that would happen is if Sterret were a Horror before his
transformation; simply changing to the Orrorshan reality would not
give him the Power of Fear or any other Horrorific Powers.  He'd have
to run out and commit a bunch of Wicked Acts and get changed into a
Horror before he'd gain any powers.

Over lunch I thought up another little trick the Gaunt Man could pull.
He's worked with tharkoldu for centuries.  He knows how they work,
what their weaknesses are.  I'm certain that he's taken the time to
work up a nice little Occult spell that negates all those fun demon
prince (etc) powers for the duration of the spell (which is long
enough for the Gaunt Man to totally rape over the poor demon.)

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: agreene@mta.ca
Subject: Re: THARKOLD
Reply-To: agreene@mta.ca
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:43:58 GMT

James H. Kiley replied:
>
>> -the Gaunt Man puts cabbage in his pea soup...
>
>	Watch it, pal.
>	I do not. 
>	:)
>
>Jim/The.Gaunt.Man@TorgMUSH

	Yeah, like I'm scared.  I'll just get Mobius to slip a eternity
shard into your tomato juice and POW, you're history.  AGAIN.

--Anthony Greene
-And exactly why IS that techno-demon smiling?


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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Subject: Drama Duck
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	Say folks... has anyone figured a way to safely and stylishly
transfer those nice "new and improved" DD cards from the pages of the 
Infiniverse?  While playing at Winter Fantasy up in Milwaukee, the GM
had this interesting SURVIVAL card... It looked professional and everything.
Did he spend serious money to transfer (and add color!), or did WEG do
something sneaky and publish those extra cards when I wasn't looking...

	Josh Geurink, CVE
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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re:  My Tharkpost
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>  Well, that's a good fudge, but my point was that such a large scale, out in
> the open battle does not belong in the Techno-horror genre. James Bond is not
> Techno-horror. If he wants to do a scene like this, he should write an adven-
> ture set in either Nippon or the Nile, where such a huge climactic conflict 
> doesn't horribly clash with the MOOD.

	Well, the major aspect of Tharkhold, as presented in the 
worldbook is "World at War."  A war on all fronts: physcial, 
magical, and spiritual.  (and mental, if you buy the bits about 
Tharkholdu Psis)  Their whole mentality is based upon conflict. 
Play the scene as if the characters were dropped in the middle of
a full-scale war.   They have to sneak from cover to cover, trying
not to become "collareral damage."
	If Tharkhold is techno-horror, the scene doesn't belong, 
and should be substitued for a series of gradually more and more
icky encounters as the characters pierce the defenses of a 
Tharkholdu encampment.  (monofilament nets placed where characters
need to move quickly, spell traps, killer machines, etc)
	If Tharkholdu is horrors of war, then the scene could work,
with modifications.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
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Superman's not just dead, he's wrapped in plastic.-Houston Chronicle (11/19/92)
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re:  My Tharkpost
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I like the imagary that you used. I really do. I wished they had used it
in the Sourcebook, and modules instead of the 10000 techno demons versus
10000 power suits. I saw the part about the average LA person not seeing
a techno demon and thought ok that makes it more like Aliens... it is
just the latest fucking munchkinism of WEG with Technodemons by the hundreds
everywhere... with them going with your 1st description of the realm than
with your second. (Hey I know who they are building there market for... 
munchkin sh*theads that think **KEWL A DV 27 GUN. LETS GO KILL SOME THARKS**
.. sorry gotta wipe the foam off the screen ...

Anyway, I think if the players go to Houston or Berlin then I will push
the way that you used it.. (plus use my revamped tharkholdu)

the Smooge
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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Subject: Re:  You did WHAT to WHOM?!?
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Big Dave Oakes writes:
	"...not the robot theory again"

Well, you'd prefer, perhaps, that Mobius makes his alleged deal with Pluto
(or Hades.  Same difference) from the UNDERWORLD?!?
I prefer the robot theory myself.  Yup.  Definately.  We REALLY don't ned
(pardon: NEED) the Nile Empire Revolving Door of Death to consistently
apply to Mobius, do we...
Nah.  I go for RoboMobius all the way.

	Josh "I'm not impressed by your big rock" Geurink, CVE
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  Munchkin game
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Smooge writes:

> Well Kansas Jim has complained that I run munchkin games in the past
> (which I disagree with.. I just let the players do more)... however

I've only said it once or twice...usually whenever you talk about
letting players become High Lords though.

[...]

> I ended up with an elven mage who took all the state knowledges (which

Didn't have much left over for arcane knowledges and spells though I'd
hope.  Of course, he probably selected the varmpiest spells he could
get hold of though.

[...]

> viruses). Well, with the spell snail's wit (reducing Baruuh Kaah to a
> vegetable (ok so no one noticed.)), an invisibility spell, and several
> huge tricks that did not use possibilities, Baruuh Kaah killed the
> fifth planting gospog with the cause pain miracle. Baruuh Kaah and the
> ravagons then did not roll higher than a 5 for the rest of the combat.

When will you learn - CHEAT!  You're GM, you are allowed to fudge die
rolls to keep things interesting!  8-)

[...]

> Baruuh Kaah, and the Sumo Wrestler did an anime leap-crush onto Baruuh
> Kaah... (which he then used all the drama cards he had been saving for
> the adventure plus several hero cards and a possibility.) From the
> setbacks and the fact that Rec Pakken is looking for a good excuse to
> get a new highlord (ie would not let BK negate), we had the end of BK

What, Kaah was out of his own Possibilities, or was his Setback that
he couldn't negate PPs spent against him?  (A bit extreme if that was
the case.)

> It did teach me some lessons... spell manipulation can make impressed
> spells immeadiate (something I need to change)... and ravagons are NOT

Only if the mage is willing to accept the points shoveled elsewhere;
if the mage was moving that many points around he should have been
messed up somewhere else in the spell....

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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