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From: hovan@cbnews.cb.att.com (patricia.a.thomas)
Subject: Eczema
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:57:40 GMT
Keywords: Eczema

I want to thank everyone who answered my concern about my son's patch
of eczema on his face.  Most of you advised us to keep it well moisturized whichwe have started to do, and to use the hydrocortisone cream sparingly, since
the skin on a child's face is so sensitive.  One interesting thing was the
comment on the chlorine in the pool-  we do have a pool and have been putting
him in regularly for "dips".  It is possible that either the chemicals are
aggravaintg or causing this problem. Anyway, summer is gone and we are soon
closing the pool so I guess I'll never really know!!!
Thanks again for your support.
Pat
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:39:34 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <0eauIPO0hXuaQDnFs3@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
> 	As I have said, I will probably rearange my schedule and drive miles
> out of my way to keep my son off unsafe school buses.  I can only hope
> that I convince him to always wear his seat  belt - I have some
> confidence here.
> 

A couple of years before Jeremy (now 7) was due to start school, I also
found out that school busses (busi?) did not have seat belts.  Shortly
thereafter that tragic accident in Kentucky involving the drunk driver
and the church school bus occurred.  Perhaps because we're close to 
Kentucky or just because of the sheer horror of that accident, the media
was full of reports on school bus safety.  Between the newspaper, local
news casts and national news casts, I was convinced that seat belts in 
busses were not a good idea.  These reports referenced a lot of safety
data, experts, reports, studies, etc. and it was the opinion of the
experts that seat belts would be detrimental on a bus.  

Sorry to be vague, but this became a secondary concern as these reports
continued.  The lack of seat belts is the least of the safety concerns
involving these busses, as far as I am concerned.  It seems that most
of these vehicles are designed poorly in terms of where the fuel tank 
is located and the construction of the fuel tank.  Additionally, these
busses are also not being maintained well due to problems with 
funding.  I listened to several "experts" express their view that only
fools would allow their children on a typical school bus.    

My memory could be faulty but I'm fairly certain that Consumer Reports
and their data played a large role in the media hoopla at the time.

I just read recently where a very large number of school busses have 
been recalled because of problems which would grossly affect the 
safety of passengers in the event of a collision.

All of this coupled with the fact that my neighbors' grandchildren 
were killed a mile from my house in a freak school bus accident is 
enough that I am quite content to drive Jeremy to and from school.

Connie
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare every-other-week question
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:14:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


Sorry, my newsposter refuses to do proper follow-ups these days.  This
is in reply to the post about having a child stay at home with his
step-mom every other week and go to daycare every other week.

I think there are three arguments against that kind of switch.  One is
that your ex-wife may have a philosophical disagreement about the
amount of school-style teaching that should be going on, and she may
be very happy with the daycare center's approach to incidental
learning through play.  That's something you might want to talk with
her about, and research some on your own.  Daycare centers really vary
in quality, and of course I don't know how good yours is, but lots of
people, including me, don't measure goodness by the amount of teaching
going on.  Actually, it's just the opposite.  I'd feel that a daycare
center that offers the kids the freedom to choose among active outdoor
play, imaginative play with or without props, books, blocks, art, etc.
is much better than any kind of formal teaching situation.  There is
lots of literature saying that child-directed play is the *perfect*
way for children to learn.  Maybe I'm over-sensitized to this issue
because we work and go to daycare in Palo Alto, which is a city full
of over-achievers along the lines of David Elkind's "hurried child"
books.  My daughter and her friends also do lots of counting and
spelling (and my daughter's bilingual), but these kids go to the most
unstructured, non-academic daycares and preschools that you could
imagine.

A second point for sticking with the daycare every week is that it
would provide a strong sense of continuity for the child, which could
be helping to compensate for the weekly changes he manages now.

A third point for sticking with daycare is concern for your wife's
relationship with the child.  Even though I feel very secure in my
relationship with my daughter, I'd feel *much* less secure if she were
spending 40 hours a week in a primary-caregiver relationship with
someone who could be seen as my "replacement".  I think that would be
a very natural and understandable reaction.  Ideally, you, your new
wife, and your ex-wife will all have special and close relationships
with your son, but it would be a real pity for everyone if one of
those relationships came at a cost to another.  It shouldn't have to
be that way.

Just a perspective from someone who isn't a step-parent, but who has
some -

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:40:43 GMT

In article <92240.133518ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET> <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>
>In article <1684E6B4C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
>(Teresa Creech) says:
>>
>>I have a friend with a 6 week old baby boy.  She called in tears last night.
>>Seems that Charles HATES to ride in the car in his carseat.  He cried all the
>>way home from the hospital ( 1 1/2 hours) when he was discharged.  He has
>>cried during almost every car ride he has taken since then (including a trip
>>from Kentucky to Flordia :^( ).
>>
>>Since the trip to Flordia (when he spent many hours snuggled in Moms lap
>>because they couldn't stand the screaming)
>
>I read all the responses to your original post before responding and no one
>mentioned that here (Florida) a man was recently brought up on manslaughter
>charges in the death of his infant daughter when she flew out of the window
>and was killed when his car struck another in an intersection.  This was
>about 2 years ago, and no, I don't know how it came out.  The accident et al
>happened in South Florida and Central Florida news didn't carry it after the
>initial announcement.
>
>Cynthia Eldredge                             University of Central Florida
>James's mama (1/30/92)                       Orlando, FL


  I heard the conclusion to the story here in New York.  I think he got
  off because the judge thought that the death of his daughter was
  punishment enough.
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Summary: How to get Jordan to take bottle
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:50:36 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

>           sitter has done this for others she watches)
> 
>      -- Feed immediatly before I leave and as soon as I return
> 
>      -- Persistence
> 
> I'm sure that there were some more suggestions, but at the moment
> I'm blank and I'm trying to hurry and type this, as Jordan feels
> it's time to eat again!
> 
> On a side note, our doctor doesn't recommend any food for Jordan
> before he is 4 months old (start cereal at that age).  During the
> day I've been feeding him about every 1 1/2 hours, he seems that
> hungry.  I know I"ve got milk supply, but it doesn't seem to satisfy
> him enough.  He is sleeping through the night, 10-12 hours at a shot,
> so it must satisfy him at night, or he's just pooped from not taking
> naps during the day (that's his choice... I'd prefer he take one or
> two during the day).  Is it going to hurt to start giving him
> cereal to try to stretch the length between day feedings?
> 
> Thanks for all help!
> 
> --Marcie (Mommy to Kyle (3.11) and Jordan (3 months))
> -- 
 

Your doctor is right...although many healthu professionals say 6 months.  
The World Health Organisation recommends tha baby having only breat milk for 
the first six months, as does La LEche League.

It takes about 6 months for the baby's digestive system to mature.  The gut 
is regarded as being 'leaky' until that time, and large molecules can pass 
from the gut to the bloodstream, and are more likely to cause allergies, if 
given before 6 months.

3 months is really too young to be given solid foods.  A baby of this age needs
to be breastfed more often, not 'filled up' with solids.  They do not 
possess the enzymes necessary to digest most solid foods, and breastmilk 
perfectly meets their nutritional needs....as long as it is offered often 
enough.   You baby is making up for his long night sleep by feeding often 
during the day....Why not try getting just one more feed into him a 
day....by waking him before you go to bed, or by feeding him early in the 
morning.


He needs more breastmilk, not solids.
From: stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 26 Aug 1992 12:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s22.ira.uka.de

In article <N2KTJ.92Aug25113940@sun102.cci.com>, n2ktj@sun102.cci.com (Darren Swartzendruber) writes:
...
|> Achim> What if a 15 year old throws herself in front of a car to "prove that she
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Achim> has a guardian angle"? (Happened approx. 2 month ago in Germany.)
|> 
|> Achim> What if a 4 year old "wants to die," because she "wants to be a _young_
|> Achim> angel"? (Seen here in misc.kids)
...
|> And what about those kids trying to fly from the 4th floor after seeing
|> Superman (or some other similar show)?  It's all relative isn't it?

Okay, how many 15 year olds do you expect to try this trick? How many
30 year olds? And how many 30 year olds die of cancer because they prefer
prayer to chemotherapy because they were taught to believe instead of
to think as 4 or 15 yo [hint: there are several reported cases]?

So there's a _big_ difference between Superman and Jesus (although they have
lots in common).

 							        Achim
_____________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
or eat fish.
From: peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Garlic whilst nursing
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:02:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <Eebc0ze0hXuaE2Gkpi@andrew.cmu.edu> sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu 
(Shirl G. Grant) writes:
>Stay away from Garlic powder unless your are testing the baby's
>response.  Many, incl. mine, got colicky.  I hear real garlic is OK, and
>can't wait to try it out next year!
>
>-Shirl

Just for fun, since it's Friday, this has been the subject of scholarly
research, as the following abstract shows.

Mennella JA; Beauchamp GK.
  Maternal diet alters the sensory qualities of human milk and the
  nursling's behavior.
Pediatrics, 1991 Oct, 88(4):737-44.
      (UI:  91375820)

Abstract: 
Although the majority of human infants are breast-fed for the first
few months of life, there is a paucity of information regarding the sensory
qualities of human milk and how these qualities are affected by maternal
diet. The present study investigated the effects of garlic ingestion by the
mother on the odor of her breast milk and the suckling behavior of her
infant. Evaluation of the milk samples by a sensory panel revealed garlic
ingestion significantly and consistently increased the perceived intensity
of the milk odor; this increase in odor intensity was not apparent 1 hour
after ingestion, peaked in strength 2 hours after ingestion, and decreased
thereafter. That the nursling detected these changes in mother's milk is
suggested by the finding that infants were attached to the breast for longer
periods of time and sucked more when the milk smelled like garlic. There was
a tendency for infants to ingest more milk as well; the lack of a
significant effect may be due to the inherent limitations on the total
amount of milk available to the infant.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch)
Subject: Birthday Traditions
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:40:33 GMT


Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birthday Traditions
Distribution: world
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO

I started a birthday tradition back when my two girls (now 10 & 13) were
about 3 years old.  Each year, on their birthday, I pick up a single red
rose bud (or carnation, if too broke), attach a small note or card to it,
and (if at home, have it delivered or waiting when they arrive) take it
to their school & ask the secretary if she'd mind delivering it to them.

On the little card attached, I just tell them how special they are to me,
and how proud I am of them of the kind of person they're becoming as they
grow up.  

Once my oldest got into junior high, I (with the school's permission) go
to the school between classes, and put it in her locker, so it's there to
surprise her when she gets out of class.  (She got a yellow rose for her
13th birthday, instead of the usual red one, as she was a new teenager)

The girls both really love this tradition, and it's something really 
special between us.  If I had a boy, I'd do it for him too!  I'm going to
try to have it written into my will with a fund at a flower shop for this
tradition to continue with them after I die (hopefully not in the near
future).

It boosts their egos, and lets them know I love them, and they think
it's really special, because the *other* kids don't get flowers from their
Mom on their birthdays.




-- 
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|	Kathleen Nosbisch		Netwise, Inc.			|
|	kat@netwise.com			2477 55th Street		|
|					Boulder, Colorado  80301	|
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:44:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep3.173500.15193@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>But I think the women (and orphans and widowers) of centuries
>past would be flabbergasted at the notion that fully experiencing
>each phase in the vaginal birth process was a necessary rite
>of passage (no pun intended) for motherhood.

Here's one woman of centuries present who is flabbergasted at 
this notion as well.

I still don't understand why so many people choose pain over
no pain when the health of the baby is not affected.  I've
had two birth experiences--one unmedicated (except for pitocin,
that is), and one epidural, and the painless one was way more
enjoyable and exhilarating than the painful one, for everyone
involved (just ask my husband).

I don't get the mystique that has evolved around the "natural"
birth experience.  After all, that's how most of the five billion
of us got here.  Give me a hospital, a good anesthesiologist, and
a six-pack afterwards (really gets the bladder going again) any day.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 27 Aug 1992 10:55:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:44:46 -0400 (EDT)

Well-bred Pittbulls are no more dangerous than other dogs if TAKEN CARE
OF PROPERLY.  My husband and a good friend used to raise them.  If the
are wellbred, they will not attack humans unless trained to do so.  But
if mistreated, well, any animal can be ferocious.

I would call the SPCA if when the dog is chained in the yard without
shade or shelter (in adverse conditions).  They should definitely be
reported.  I would also call the dog pound if the dog was loose (I
usually do not condone this unless the dog is questionable as this one
is).

No dog deserves to live in a home without proper treatment.

-Shirl
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development

In article <1992Aug25.172126.2579@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>
>Yes, it really is possible to pay day care costs -- up to $5000 per 
>year from pretax dollars.  (The $$ deducted reduce your W2 wages.
>The difference shows up as one of the non-taxable benefits.) ...
>Also, if you do take the pretax dollars, 
>you cannot claim the child care deduction.  

	Not to be picky but I understand that you can't take the child care
deduction on the $5000 that you put into the pretax account, but you can
take it on anything over that amount that you have to spend.
	So, if for example your day care costs run around $7000, which is my
case, you can put $5000 into the child care flexible spending account and
take the child care deduction on the remaining $2000.  The child care
deduction doesn't work out to be much with our income level but every
little bit helps!

Julia
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:16:19 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>I also wish I had videotaped the whole thing.  Is there anyone out
>there who has?  I have yet to meet anyone who has done this.

I didn't videotape (because like Diane, I thought it was weird).  I
wish I had.  A friend of mine did have hers videotaped.  (In fact, the
hospital supplied teh camera).  She had the camera set up on a tripod,
so it didn't require a lot of attention.  If I were to do it, I think
I'd want someone to take charge of the camera during the actual birth
(zoom in), and then afterwards (to follow the baby, to zoom out to
get me holding the baby for the first time).  

I'll certainly have the next one taped--I was so busy, I missed lots
of details--and I'd love to see it!



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:57:13 GMT

In article <LOWRY.92Aug25170215@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>With all the positive posts about walkers, I feel compelled to point
>out that these things are dangerous, according to last year's Consumer
>Reports guide to children's products (I don't have it with me else I
>would give the proper title and provide direct quotes) and other
>sources (specifically various parent's magazines and my pediatrician).
>Consumer Reports flat-out recommends that these products never be
>used.
>
>Some horrendous percentage of head traumas sustained by infants are
>walker-related.  A child tumbling down the stairs in a walker is very

[etc]

I haven't seen this on misc.kids yet, so I'll post it.  A coalition of
medical and consumer groups is now lobbying the US government to ban
baby walkers.  The coalition includes the American Academy of
Pediatrics and the Consumers' Union.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:02:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) asks:
> When we visited friends in England about three years ago, their little
> boy had dozens of Thomas books.  They were great!  They were in every
> book store there.  Of course, then we didn't have kids, so I didn't
> buy any.  Now, I can't find anything similar.  I've seen one or two
> pop up type books (our son just tears those up), but none of the thirty
> or so I saw in England.  Does anyone know if these are distributed in
> the US, or where I might be able to find them?

It's my understanding that some US publisher (Random House?) purchased
all rights for the US publication and distribution of Thomas books a
couple of years ago.  The whole Thomas library that you saw in England
used to be sold here (I remember seeing it in an FAO Schwartz catalogue
three years ago), but now they can't be legally imported, because of the US
publisher's rights.  Why this publisher won't import or reprint the
originals, and instead produces its own Thomas books, I don't know.
                          
I got this information 1-1/2 hand, so I might not have it exactly right.
(It's not quite second hand, because I was at the bookstore with my
friend, whose son was a serious Thomas junkie, when my friend got this
info from the bookstore owner; however, my daughter's never been very
interested in Thomas, so I didn't listen with all the attention that
the parent of a true Thomasophile would give the info.)

So...if you want the original Thomas books, take a visit to England. :-)

And BTW...anyone want to send me a quote from a *real* Thomas book to use
in one of my quizzes? :-)

                                                --Mimi Wellington
                                                  mimi@apollo.hp.com