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From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Music
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:34:50 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jac54@cas.org writes:
: In article <38361@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
: >chrisw@sco.COM (Christopher J. Wood) writes:
: >:
: >:
: >: Hi,
: >:
: >: I'm looking for some recommendations regarding
: >: Arabic (Middle Eastern) music.
: >:
: >: I'm actually thinking of adapting this music
: >: for the guitar, and was wondering what the
: >: better known pieces of music are...
: >
: >  Arabic music for the guitar ?. I'have some experience (i used to play
: >  Arabic music on a guitar ). It's not something "new", guitar has been
: >  introduced to Arabic music during the early 70's.
: >  the guitar's nature itself.  Guitar can hardly be compatible with Arabic
: >  music, for several reasons:
: >
: >     * It lakes the ability to produce the 1/4 tone, which distinguishs Arabic
: >     music from "Western" music.
: >     * The nature of the voice produced is rather odd for our (Arabs) ear, it's
: >     not enough "tendre" for us. Actually the electrical guitar is used in most
: >     of the Arabic musical groups, but it rarely performs alone (solo), in most
: >     of the cases it'll just play accords.
: >:
: >: Thanks!
: >
: > Welcome, it's been a long time that we didn't speak "culture" in this group.
: > (BTW, if you have ANY questions, don't hesitate a second).
: >:
: >       What about fretless instruments?  A fretless guitar like a violin
: 	can produce just about any pitch you want.  Are instruments like
: 	the oud and the buzuq fretted at the quarter-tone or are they
: 	fretless?

  A fretless guitar ?. Does it exist ?; anyway, i think even if guitar can
  be able to produce th 1/4 tone, it'll still sound odd when performing
  Arabic music.
    Oud and buzuq are fretless. Some of them are fretted, but i think they
  are as restricted as guitar (i've already tried to make some estimation,
  it's nearly impossible to have an instrument fretted at the quarter-tone,
  there'll be no place for the fingers).
: 
: 
: 	Alec Chambers

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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: SpicMacay:Indian Dance(ODISSI):LEC-DEM:AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:32:14 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.women,alt.atheism,soc.men
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Words feminists find offensive
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:48:06 GMT


A recent poster incorrectly stated that Islam permits the beating of disobedient 
wives.

In fact, the beating of women is prohibited by the authentic tradition of 
the Holy Prophet to the effect that "Never beat God's handmaidens."  Furthermore,
the Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, is reported to have said, "He who
honors women is honorable, and he who denigrates them is lowly."  (I haven't looked
into how authentic this second tradition is).

The poster's misunderstanding originated from a misinterpretation of a verse of
the Holy Qur'an.  I refer him and other interested netters to Muhammad 
Asad's translation and commentary of the Qur'an.  You'll see that not only
wife beating is not permissible, but also it is highly reprehensible.

A sentence in the same verse has been translated/interpreteted differently
by different people.  One translation is "good women are devout" and another
translation is "good women are obedient."   The word that's translated 
differently is "qanitat."  Where it appears elsewhere in the Qur'an, it
means devout (i.e. obedient to God).   

Behnam Sadeghi

P.S.  For those who refer to Muhammad Asad:  "noshuz," which corresponds to
open and serious sexual misconduct, is an equally great sin for both sexes.
And the Islamic punishments for extra-marital relations are the same for
both sexes as well.
From: reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 13 Aug 1992 00:23:25 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: dish.mips.com

In article <1992Aug12.233949.6457@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
>In article <20399@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>>
>>Are you concerned about the suffering of non-Muslims in places
>>like Croatia or the Sudan or Somolia or South Africa or .... ?
>
>Sure. A Muslim is against oppression, injustice and suffering
>of all humans whether Muslims or not anywhere in the world.
>It only is natural that he feels more when those
>who suffer are Muslims too because the bond is stronger.
>I expect the same from all ethnic groups.

     No, this is quite unnnatural. If you wish to seek compassion for 
yourself, you should be able to give an equal amount to others regardless 
of your ethnic or religous background. Otherwise, all your sympathy amounts
to little more than crocodile tears. 

>                                           Will you feel
>the same if a relative of yours or a complete stranger was
>run over by a car in the street?
>

     Let's be realistic. The comparision is meaningless. Of course there is
a difference between your feelings for a relative and a stranger. Your feelings
for your relative is at a personal level whereas your feelings for a stranger
are at a humanitarian level. But to say that you have the same feelings for 
a person in Bosnia that you would have for your relative just because you are 
of the same religion is ridiculous.

     As appalling as the killings of Muslims in Bosnia is, a magnitude more 
Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims in recent decades than by 
non-Muslims (millions in Bangladesh in 1971 by West Pakistanis, hundreds of
thousands of Kurds at the hands of Iraqis, comparable numbers in the Iran
Iraq and the Kuwaiti war, not to mention those killed at the hands of the 
tyrants who rule Syria, Iraq, Iran, et.al.). Where is any vociferous 
condemnation of these acts?
-- 
T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Issam Abu-Khater)
Subject: Conference announcement
Keywords: conference
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:56:42 GMT


                          [1mICM'92[0m

                   
                       [1mCALL FOR PAPERS[0m
                  

          
          [1mThe International Conference on Microelectronics[0m


          [1mLocation and Date:[0m

          Monastir, Tunisia
          December 19-21, 1992

          [1mGeneral Scope:[0m

          * Design and Computer-Aided Design for Microelectronics
          * Design and Aplication of Integrated Circuits
          * Microelectronics Technology

          [1mLanguage: English[0m

          [1mFor more information contact:[0m
          Prof. M. I. Elmasry
          Director, VLSI Research Group
          ECE Department
          University of Wterloo
          Waterloo, ONT, N2L 3G1, CANADA
          Phone: (519)885-1211, ext. 3753
          Telex: 069-55259
          Fax  : (519)746-5195
          email: elmasry@vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
          [1m************************************[0m
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:46:14 GMT

In article <12596.9208171525@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
>From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>Subject: Glories of our nations
>Message-ID: <3814@keele.keele.ac.uk>
>Date: 17 Aug 92 11:54:12 GMT
>Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>Organization: University of Keele, England
>Lines: 88
>
>A.Jaber writes:
>	
>       >Yes there was past glories for our old nations in the Mideat
>       >and one of them was under Islamic rule. This does not mean that
>	>Islam have the solution. It is the people who carry Islam or any
>	>other religion who make the difference.
>
>
>A Jaber
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>We will never return back to our GLORIES and NEVER BE A POWERFUL NATION
>AS LONG AS there are scums like you who beleive in ARABISIM and beleive 
>that a butcher like Saddam or a scum like Aflag is their GOD.
>The reason for all the POVERTY AND SUFFERINGS IN OUR COUNTRIES 
>is because the people who rule us are not TRUE MOSLEMS in fact 
>most of them are christians or jews claim to be christians.
>Tariq Aziz who is practically rules Iraq is a good example
>and many more who use ARABISIM and NATIONALISIM to destroy our 
>Country and  our values.
>
>I remember the SCUM Tariq Aziz issue a decree that it is illegal 
>to wear HIJAB at the school and the Universities and I know many
>sisters in their final year left the University because of this decree.
>
>
>
>M.G.
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.

Why is there such a fuss over arabism and islam? The founder of the Arab 
League, AbdurRahman Azzam, was an international Muslim. He claimed all of
Africa and Asia as his own (dar al islam). The head of the Arab League during
the woar in the persian gulf stated that there is nothing wrong with unity
among the Arabs as long as that unity is a subset of something else. He did not
want to refer to what that something else was, but it was painfully obvious
that he meant islam. so why do you guys have to fight over arabism v. islamism?
say we are muslim and we are arab, we will do things to strengthen our unity,
but we will not jeopardize our unity with the other muslim people. is that so
hard to grasp?

proud to be muslim

zafar
From: elmar@uni-paderborn.de (Elmar Schalueck)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Ali Baba and his ?? robbers
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:48:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: uni-pade.1992Aug19.104812.28616
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn

Hello in the arabian world!

I would like to know the number of Ali Baba's robbers in the original
literature. The french and german traditional translations talk of
40. Another source says this is an error of the translators. There
must be 400 robbers.

Please drop me a note via E-Mail, because I don't read this group.

Thanks a lot


Elmar
-- 
Elmar Schal"uck                   email: elmar@uni-paderborn.de
Uni-GH Paderborn                  phone: ..49-5251-602621
FB 17
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: UNION BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:06:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: basu@remus.rutgers.edu (sid-darth vader)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: If Saddam were smart and patriotic
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:52:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Sid-Darth Vader writes:

	If Saddam were truly smart and considered
himself an Arab first he would resign in favor of
Iraq merging into Syria. Both Iraq and Syria are
run by the Baath Party which have similar philosophies
differing only because of the personal rivalry between
Saddam and Assad. If Saddam steps aside the Baath Party
apparatus will be able to provide a workable political
order. As it is war-damaged Baghdad will consume millions
for reconstruction. Might as well stick with Damascus as
the capital of a new U.A.R.
	Think of the this new Arab super-state stretching
from the Persian Gulf to the Medit, with oil, industries,
commerce. Lebanon is already part of Assad's domain.
This way he will have a 2 million man army on Israel's
frontline. 
	By making way for the union, Saddam will have
reversed the political succeses of the coalition that
defeated him. Syria, as a member of that coalition is
exempt from any international sanctions. The world would
welcome the departure of Saddam Hussein.
	Just think about it!
----------------------------------------------------------
Are you serious?
the Baath Party both in Iraq and Syria is the main cause of killing thousands
of innocent people. Most of the people from Iraq and Syria are 
a ware that this Party is created by the French and supported
by the British to cause as much as harm and destruction to these two
Countries and to Middle East in the name of ARABISIM, and also to
stop the Islamic movements, as you
know very well that Mechele Aflag (the founder of the Party) is half
jewish half christian and it is known that most of the christian in the
Middle East DO NOT CARE LESS about the Country they live in. The majority
of the christian in Iraq and Syria consider France is their mother Country
and the Moslems had enough RUBBISH of ARABISIM and NATTIONALISIM.
The best way (and the only way) for the union is THE ISLAMIC UNION 
(Atrue Islamic Union) not only between Iraq and Syria but all the 
Moslem Countries in the region and then WE WILL BE STRONG AND POWERFULL.

M.G
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3373 soc.culture.turkish:9157
From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Subject: Pictures, sounds and texts from Lebanon and the Middle East.
Reply-To: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:10:45 GMT

Pictures, sounds and texts from Lebanon and the Middle East.

The liasun3.epfl.ch anonymous ftp server has become a "hitch hiker's" multimedia  
server of cultural material from Lebanon and the Middle East. The server contains  
soundbytes of songs and music, animations, pictures (both historical and modern) and  
texts. There is also a directory of public domain ultilities for playing and  
converting sounds.

Recent music additions are sounbytes from songs by Fairuz, Wadi el Safi, Samira  
Toufiq and Um Koulsoum. There are complete (Arabic) texts to some of the songs  
archived as gif files.

Other recent contributions include pictures and some animations of Fairuz, Fairuz,  
Wadi el Safi and Samira Toufiq.

This is a truly unique repository of cultural material from the Middle East and  
especially from Lebanon. Enjoy the sights, sounds and words of Lubnan!

*** please read the README files first ***

- Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3217 talk.politics.misc:39238 talk.politics.mideast:18467
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Hooray for Columbus
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:58:10 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

<1992Aug5.122858.21356@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> <BsIrx4.4wK@apollo.hp.com>
<1992Aug6.221613.25127@bony1.bony.com>
<1992Aug10.130713.8679@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>

In <1992Aug10.130713.8679@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> sanchez@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
(Barcelona '92 - La Gran Fiesta) writes:

>> Actually, you'll find more of the very same culture in the xUSSR, Iraq and
>> Iran, besides a coupla hundred other countries on this planet.  Neither
>> US nor foreign political leaders have much control over this...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President

>Is like that because that "culture" (at least pieces of it) is injected by US

>companies to make:

>               "MO' MONEY"

>i.e.:  Coca-Cola, etc...

Could it possibly be that instead of imperialism, local companies have\
experimented with various formats and settled on the one that gets them the
highest ratings.  I feel this just shows that whatever the country, people
are more alike than they are different.  Regardless of the country, when
it comes to culture, the lowest common denominator will dominate.

>By the way, those "around the world" comercials are pretty stupid and
>misleading. Who the hell is going to drink Coca-Cola for example in Europe
>when in fact it is more expensive than wine.

>:)

Somebody must be drinking the stuff, Europe has been one of Coke's most
profitable regions lately.

>Rafael
-- 
--Mark
From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Answering Mr Nabil
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:27:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


 Nabil wrote:-

>In article <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>
>>Are you claiming that the west somehow controls the oil producing countries.
>>20 years of very stormy relations give the lie to this statement.  I suppose
>>the oil embargoes of the 70's and the 80's were orchestrated by the west
>>as a cover up, to hide the fact that they were actually in charge.
>>

>I think that the West controls the oil producing countries. The oil embargo of
>the 70's was a result of a strong pressure from all the Arab countries and it
>was a coverup from the ruling families of the Gulf states to prove that they are
>really Arabs. Why do you think then the Emir of Kuwait was left on his throne when
>everybody knows that he is a dictator?

You forgot to mention that iraq did not stop selling oil at that time.It continued selling it at the high prices at that time.
(and surely it did not give to its poor arabs !!!)
I wonder why you forgot mentioning that,or you do not say any thing wrong
about other arab countries except KUWAIT.
I wonder if it is the hate to KUWAITI people that you always cover by attacking
the EMIR.

And did we ask for your help to free us from whom you call a dictator
or is it out of your love and concern to the KUWAITI people?!!!!!!!

(Surely it is not the first one,and I have doubts about the second one.)

salam

Kutaiba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian
From: uk02757@nx21.mik.uky.edu (jeffrey t hazelwood)
Subject: APOLOGY!!!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:06:51 GMT

Alsalaam Alaykum,

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON????

I just returned to the University and find there are letters from all  
kinds of pissed off people from all over the world from many different  
newsgroups.  From what I can tell, someone has been using my account to  
post TRASH to newsgroups.

IT WAS NOT ME!!!!!

I APOLOGIZE DEEPLY FOR WHATEVER WAS WRITTEN!!!!  I've changed my password  
so no one can get access EVER again.  I advise everyone to regularly  
change their passwords and don't use simple ones, they can be discovered  
easily by looking over your shoulder, especially with slow typists.


Shokran.

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German Major              (ENGLISH, GERMAN, SPANISH, ARABIC, FARSI)            
NeXT Mail Welcome!        "I've got them right where they want me!"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: Re: On Egypt and arms to Bosnia
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:50:40 GMT

How nice it would be for the Egyptians to convert the arms the are
allegedly planning to send to Bosnia into food for their "neighbors"
in Somalia. BTW, aren't there Moslems in Somalia?

lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Answering Mr Idriss
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:05:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Hello Mr Idriss, 

<Why do you guys think that because I am Palestinian or because I am talking
<against the rulers of the Arab world that I am automatically pro-Iraq? Iraq
<is corrupted just as much as the other arab countries. I did not know that 
<Iraq kept selling oil, if this is correct then they are cheap. However, don't
<deny that the Gulf countries reluctantly stopped pumping oil to the West during
<the oil embargo.
   
   No Mr Idriss I did not judge you because of your nationality.I was only
   commenting on what you wrote.I have nothing against any arab.
   May be I understod you wrongly, and I am sorry.
   But I am stil against people singling certain group of people all the time
   and throwing all the mistakes on them.



<I don't hate the Kuwaiti people, you, the Gulf people in general, made us
<cuss the moment that we were born Arabs. I am in the United States here feel
<more at home than when I was in Qatar for few years. Is this a way to treat 
<Arabs. I hope that you read my previous article which I directed to you, If 
<you did not, I will post it again.

   Me and the Gulf people in general made you curss the moment that you were
   born arabs??!!! That sounds very racist comment Mr Idriss and I am totaly 
   against it.
   I do not deny that some people in the gulf have bad images about other
   arabs.(the stereo type thinking) Which I am against totaly,but you can
   not deny that all the arabs have this attitude (the best example is your
   above statement).
   I am totaly against this thinking whether it is from a KUWAITI or any other 
   arab, and it should stop.

  By the way I did not read your previous article which you mentioned.
  So I will be grateful if you can post it again.


<Hayyak Allah
 
 Salam for you   

Kutaiba