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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: What's the best beer ?(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:06:51 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.082421.26947@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.004321.6610@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>>[ ]
>>>Egad, the french are in North America?  Why didnt we get rid of you 
>>>during WWII after you fired on us in Algieria.  
>>>
>>>Its never too late, you know.  We could run all the cowards out and 
>>>sell Quebec to the Japanese.  At least they could fight....
>>
>>What kind of nonsense is this? Perhaps there should be some kind of 
>>moderation of this group. It's degenerating.

>Philip, you've been reading and posting to this group long enough to expect
>these sort of posts now and then.  I don't know whether or not Mr. Seifert
>is serious or not, but I'd like to think that he was just joking.  

>I've read a number of posts in which the writer made insulting references to
>persons from rural areas, calling them hicks, rednecks, bubbas, hillbillys,
>and that sort of thing.  As a native of the Deep South, I would most likely
>qualify as a redneck or one of the other seemingly derogatory labels.  But
>I take whatever is posted here with the proverbial grain of salt and find
>this group to be great fun to read.

>If Mr. Seifert were French-Canadian, would it be proper for him to post what
>he did in jest?  The reason I ask is that certain people in this country seem
>to think that only members of a group should be allowed to poke fun at others
>in the group.  For example, it is okay for a homosexual to tell fag jokes, but
>it is improper for someone like Andrew Dice Clay to tell the exact same joke.
>The persons who subscribe to these restrictions would have everyone limit 
>their humor to their respective ethnic, social, and economic groups.  It is
>my opinion that this attitude is absolutely silly and does nothing to promote
>harmony between differing groups.  Thankfully, this "Politically Correct"
>mentality is a passing fad and has no hope of taking hold in this country.

>BTW, if anyone disagrees with me, great!  If everyone were to be in agreement
>on every issue, this world would certainly be a boring place.  :-)

This mail contents is an rather good examples about the self-life of
advocacy news:

 o  Remember the topic

  - Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)


P.S. Just only weird:-B


Regards...
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:48:39 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>> 
>> Oh yeah ALL those games that open in interlace.  NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
>> If you call some text games like Wonderland a lot.  Or perhaps some
>> Maxis games that I have heard can be promoted.  You can buy a flicker fixer.
>> But it would only do deinterlace only a small portion of things would 
>> not work without it.  It won't de-interlace a superhires or vga screen still.
>> My only complaint is it limits your choices in monitors

>Huh?  It would deinterlace *everything* that the de-interlacer in the A3000 does.

>If you think we would build in a full 24-bit x super hi-res super de-interlacer
>that would use ~6 times as much RAM ($$$$$) and bump the retail price into another
>range, you're not being very realistic dude.

No but it is a serious concern, and for a super hires de-interlacer.  Don't you
think you could have simply had super as the a3000 needing 15khz.  And for 
almost all normal use you could simply use a high freq monitor and don't put
a low freq monitor into the monitor drawer.  After all that is what that drawer
is for.  So you wouldn't have superhires or super72 modes, but when you either
get a newer computer you will have the monitor capable of 1k x 1k, or if you 
plan a getting a display card in the near future for the a4000.  Or for many,
you already have a vga monitor, but not a multisync.  

Martin

not to complain so much, as to give my point of view.
Actually it makes sense from the business point of view of commodore, make a 
computer that would require your own monitor and not a $250 vga monitor.  
Therefore selling more products.

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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:34:04 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <OA92-901-306p1_964826C3@piraya.bad.se> Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>
> GR> > Hey! As far as I have understood, the DSP is NOT needed for Audio
> GR> > output (even 16-bit stereo, or maybe 8-channels).
>     < ... >
> GR> From the description of the "audio matrix" it sounds like some analog
> GR> multiplexing of the audio signals.
>     < ... >
> GR> but the DSP is probably the only on that can generate 16-bit audio.
>
>Some people here in this newsgroup seems to claim that a DSP is the only
>component capable of producing CD-quality 16-bit audio. This makes me wonder:
If you'd take a little effort in -understanding- what's said above you
wouldn't be wasting bandwidth. The previous poster was clearly talking about
the Falcon audiosystem only.

>[babble deleted]
>I've been thinking of what could happen with the DSP in a multitasking
>environment. Suggest you run one program which lays a heavy burden on the DSP,
>then you want to play some 16-bit music. 16-bit audio is routed through the
>DSP, but the DSP is busy right now... Would we be without music? Or could we
>HAVE music, but only when the DSP have a few spare cycles, thus giving us the
>odd beep now and then?

The 16-bit audio system, can play independently of the DSP. If you need
the 'qualities' of the DSP, it's probably a matter how you set things up.
If you use a standard interrupt technique, you wouldn't have any problems.

Nat!
-- 
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Ask what you can do for your boyfriend"       
				[JFK on a taped phone call to MM]
---	from "Secret Tapes" by Richie Noxin
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:53:38 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Oct10.033330.20977@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> by jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph Malloy):

> Well, you gotta admit, it's a darn ugly .sig (unless maybe you're 100
> feet away from the monitor?)...

    It's a GREAT .sig. Maybe you're cross-eyed?

--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
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From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:13:59 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct14.225119.20453@news.unomaha.edu>, marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold) writes:
> 
> I invite many clone advocates to my home for the standard graphics/sound/
> multitasking demonstration on my A500.  Even with a slow processor and a
> floppy drive based system, I am able to assault them with a non-stop 
> barrage of jaw-dropping effects.  (Note:  Before you follow up, I feel
> obligated to say that these Amiga demonstrations do not consist entirely
> of "euro" demos.)
> 
> My humble A500 demonstration is usually enough to soil the pants of most
> clone users.  I never mention the fact that the A3000 is dead or that the
> A2000 is even deader or the A1000 is even deader yet!  To say such would
> be foolish.  Instead I say, "Like what you see?  This is the low end;
> let me tell you about the A4000..." 
> 
	Funny you should say that.  My clone with OS/2 and sound card,
24 bit color, coprocessed graphics, etc. that costs a lot less
than an Amiga 3000 (486 based I might add) usually causes Amiga users
to soil their pants.
	Where I can multitask any IBM game (which are on par with
Amiga games now adays) and most Amiga games take over the system (unless
you personally crack them), the Amiga users have nothing to compare
multitasking wars.  My Amiga 500 fanatical friend came over and we
played power monger while diskcopying 7 disks in the background (
ahem, never mind what they were of course...) of course, he couldn't
do this with his Amiga.  He said, "I can do that with my Amiga, I
just have to crack it so that I can access it from Workbench 2.0).

	He showed me some impressive sound demos and showed me how
his drive can read IBm disks.  So I took over some IBM disks, had
him copy his sound demos and brought them over and converted them and
played them here.

	Of course, being a former Amiga owner, I will say this, it
certainly takes a lot of clone horsepower to beat a 7mhz Amiga so the
Amiga in my opinion is one fantastic computer in a lot of repsects.
Just be careful about saying it blows away IBM clones, you just
never know who might be reading.

					-Brad

=================================
Brad Wardell  **Happy OS/2 2.0 User**
Project Director
Stardock Systems (SDS)
Western Michigan University
=================================
From: srp@travis.csd.harris.com ( Stephen Pietrowicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc's latest flipflop (was Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000)
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:09:22 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.csd.harris.com

From article <54542@dime.cs.umass.edu>, by barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett):
> 	Some people are totally consistent in their inconsistency.
> I shudder to think of the hundreds of hours Marc has spent writing
> hate literature about the Amiga.  Think of all the productive things
> one could do instead with a few hundred hours of free time!

And the really sad thing is that he has no interest in promoting the Amiga
at all, no matter what he's said about "trying to get the people at Commodore
to listen".

The only reasonable explanation for Marc is that he's just here to try and
piss people off because he enjoys getting people all fired up.  He does this
under the guise of "helping the Amiga".  He's never done anything of the sort,
and in fact hurts the Amiga quite a bit by posting all those made up "facts".

Witness the recent "why you should boycott the 4000" posting he made.  He's
said more than once he's a developer...geesh, Commodore doesn't need developers
like that!

Didn't Marc sell his Amiga a while ago?  What the hell is he still doing
around here?  It all goes back to Marc just throwing postings up to piss
people off because he gets off on it.

Maybe it's time to add a disclaimer about Marc in the Amiga FAQ.  Either
that or tell the Blazemonger Customer Service Dept. about him.  :-)
-- 
Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what
is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
From: etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga in Encyclopedia ad on TV.
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:47:53 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	The local cable co. channel had the 'insert Workbench v1.3' 
>	screen on Fri, Sat, and Sun.  It was kind of amusing.  I 
>	must have watched it for 3 hours waiting for my TV to reboot :-)
>	

What, you sat in front of your TV for 3 hours watching the insert
Workbench v1.3 screen?  Personally, I prefer watching paint dry :-)
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:01:41 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Oct16.181737.26633@cs.mcgill.ca> storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.065612.11477@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Wow, I did not think it could be done - but I have found an
>>advantage in the Amiga over PCs!  :-)
>>
>>It is this: PCs have a history of using 5.25" floppies.  When things
>>that require booting (like OSes for my PC), it MUST boot on the 'A:' drive.
>>So what if your A: drive is 5.25", and the boot software is 3.5"?
>>Basically, PC users have to either do ROM tricks or get a dual purpose
>>cable and switch the designations manually.  Ick.
>
>	Well, I *COULD* just go change the BIOS settings so that my computer
>tried to boot off the B: drive instead of the A: drive bofore the Hard disk,
>but that would probably ruin your theory.

Yeah...  you wouldn't want to ruin that theory.

There's nothing that Amigas are good for.  There never has been.

PC Uber Alles.  :-)

>	Toodlepip!
>	Marc 'em.
>
>
>-- 
>  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill University         C program run.  Run  
>  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA          Program run! PLEASE!
>    The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
>              regarded as a criminal offense.  -- E. W. Dijkstra


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 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Software Piracy 
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.182137.16000@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>worrying about the rampant pirating going on in Clone-land.  I'd bet
>>that there are more pirated copies of some programs out there than there
>>are Amigas in the whole world.  Pathetic.

>	Like there isn't any rampant pirating in Amiga-land.  Pathetic.

Ahem. All things being relative, Microsoft claims it could sell twice as many
copies of MS-DOS if it weren't for illegal copies. Last month, U.S. raids
netted 150,000 illegal copies worth more than $9 million. It took 16 trucks
to carry the hauls away.

Yes, this is organized bootlegging, but $9 million is a lot of Lemmings.

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Crap CD-I Golf on Show
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:46:02 GMT

In article <etxansk.718904060@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>
> I case you're interested, I visited an entertainment fair in
>Sweden recently, and someone was displaying a Philips CD-I
>machine there. Unfortunately there were no Philips spokesmen
>present, but a golf game was running and it looked...
>...crap!
>
> Bad frame update (25/30 Hz or worse) and pale colour made
>me think the CDTV might be able to compete.
>
> Anyway, the CD-I golf game was _very_ disappointing.

And the announcers who are constantly droning on in the background while 
you play... "Nice putt..."  "He really seems to have missed his mark this
time..." especially the one with the aggravating Australian accent... egads...
almost enough reason to disconnect your TV's speakers...

"It looks like he's a total asshole on this putt... it's hopeless  now."

No offense intended to any Australians, out there, BTW, but if you check out
the soundtrack of this game you'll probably see what I mean about the 
omnipresent irritation.

>
> Anders Skelander
> 


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) ----- SOMETHING NEAT SHOULD GO HERE.
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Buy Falcon or A4000?
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:33:27 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

What makes a Atari Falcon better than an A4000
or visa versa, and which should I buy?

Thanks for Any help

PS info on specs for both machines would be good.

Thanks Everyone Gary. 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:11:39 GMT
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Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
: 
: Having tried to multitask on PCs, my impression is that your *using* should
: be in inverted commas.  ('course, I wasn't using a '786 w/ 17GB internal +
: 170TB virtual mem :)
: 

I don't know what you're talking about.  My PC multitasks beautifully under
both Unix SVR4 and OS/2.  Ever try any of these?
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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:49 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: George_Robbins


 GR> It is fun to harass the Motorola folks by claiming that the Intel
 GR> internal clock doubling is inherently better and when are they going
 GR> to catch up 8).

You're complaining on the Amiga users about demanding the impossible
(accordingly to you anyways), and then you say this! YOU'RE NOT ANY BETTER
YOURSELVES!
;-) ;-)



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From: thom@crayfish.ucsd.edu (Thom Cleland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tomato is a fruit
Date: 10 Oct 1992 01:22:29 GMT
Organization: Tenuous at best
NNTP-Posting-Host: crayfish.ucsd.edu

>Not many people know that bananas are vegetables.
>
>David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.  
>Email: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu |  I'M GOOD ENOUGH. I'M SMART ENOUGH,

Including me, it seems.  By what determinant?  I mean, as far as
behavioral ecology goes they seem to be fruits:  attractive juicy
seed-bearing ovaries intended for some lunkish critter to dribble
your seeds down its chin as it wanders far, far away.  

Is the banana not of ovarian origin?  Pray, fill us in.

Thom

(P.S., followups to alt.fruit?)

-- 
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"Wild magic is graven in every rock, every tree, in every blade of grass"
From: stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:03:02 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <kdarling.717936574@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>
>It might also mean that some companies will pass over the Amiga in
>their projects (eg: stuff like PreVue Guide, big VR games, etc)
>simply because of the possible hassle of convincing Commodore that
>they need the specs.
>
Just how do the PreVue Guide and big VR games need the specs for the AGA
chips? Both just need to know how to open a screen, and PreVue needs to scroll
it. No need to bang hardware.

We have started a VR project here at USF, and A4000s are the intended target.


--
-- Greg Stelmack (stelmack@eggo.csee.usf.edu)
-- FullTime Grad Student, PartTime Amiga Salesman, PartTime Amiga Developer
-- Author of: Spades, Pro Port Analyzer Plus, more to come...
-- DISCLAIMER: The opinions reflected here are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Subject: buy falcon or a4000?
Reply-To: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:07:36 EST

>Depends on budget, but a4000 is faster, has better graphics and most
important
>of all SOFTWARE.

I've gotta tell you that from where I sit the Amiga software
situation doesn't seem to be any better/worse than Amiga's - they are
both abysmal.  There are as many Atari dealers here in Toronto as
Amiga dealers, and I generally find that with the exception of video
software for the Amiga and midi software for the Atari, both machines
are equal in software support - at least here in North America.

Undeniably though, the Amig has faster graphics and more colour on the
screen than the Falcon (and probably has quite a few other advantages
that I'd like to know more about as well) - but there is a large
price differential to consider as well.

The software aregument I can't buy though - if thats the argument I'd
be with a clone (ugh), the only system with significant support.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:11:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.065612.11477@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Wow, I did not think it could be done - but I have found an
>advantage in the Amiga over PCs!  :-)

[ubiquity of 3.5" disks]

>But, on the Amiga, the 3.5" is almost totally prevalent!  This fact would 
>be double cool if most of them out there were HD, *but*, oh well.

>This is weird - maybe I can make a *list* even.  This one will be the
>first entry.

Famous last words :)

Ok., here's a good one:

     No 640k memory barrier under the native OS. While OS/2 and Windows
eliminate this problem on the PC, autoconfiguring memory has always been
a feature on the Amiga.

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