From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: Re: we are forcing women to destroy their babies!!!
Originator: jjprice@c00084-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:08:13 GMT


bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

|>an3329@anon.penet.fi writes:
|>>
|>>Killing babies is wrong because they are human beings just like everyone
|>>else.
|>
|>I agree completely.
|>
So do I.

|>Even if you substitute 'fetuses' for 'babies', as I think you meant, I
|>still agree.  Taking any human life is wrong.
|>
I still agree.

|>However, sometimes it's the lesser of two wrongs.  Just as I agree
|>that a fetus has just as much of a right to life as an adult does, I
|>feel that a fetus has as little right to use a woman's body against
|>her will as an adult does.
|>
No ofense here...but you were doing so well...when is murder "right"
unless it is to protect yourself from bodily harm.(ie. A severe risk
to the mothers life and well being...please note severe I am not talking
about the normal wear and tear of a pregnacy I am talking life threatening
or handicaping situation here.) 
So now that we can kill anyone that uses something of another persons w/o
their permission we may kill them...I think I'll go out and kill all the
welfare recipients because they are using my money because I don't want
them to...

|>>They didn't do anything wrong and killing them says a lot about the
|>>way we treat each other.
|>
|>They didn't do anything wrong, true.  But just by existing they're
|>causing problems -- because in order to exist they have to use a
|>woman's body, so they're putting a woman's health at risk.  Some
|>people say that it's better to have one person at risk than another
|>person dead.  I disagree, because I feel that nobody should have to do
|>ANYTHING with their body against their will -- as is frequently
|>brought up on this group, if you're going to force a woman to let a
|>fetus use her body for nine months, why not let people who need blood
|>or organ donations force healthy people or recently-dead people to be
|>donors too?  I think donation is a good idea, but I'd fear the
|>government that had the power to force me to donate something.
|>
Who forced the female to get pregnant? Will someone please provide some
numbers here? I have heard that less than 10% of abortions are due to
rape/incest/mom's life...Sounds like most of these babies were not forced.
Therefore 90% of the women were not forced into having sex....?

|>Perhaps the fact that we're using technology to move our society in a
|>certain direction says something about us, true.  There's no objective
|>way to say whether it's right or wrong.
|>
|>>We should help pregnant women experience pregnancy
|>>with dignity instead of having to get abortions because of circumstances
|>>they can't control. ...
|>>It sickens me to hear of pregnant women having to get abortions because
|>>they didn't have the support system they needed to nurture and protect their
|>>babies. That is the biggest injustice ever perpetrated on a woman. Turning
|>>a blind eye to the plight of these women is cruel and inhuman treatment.
|>>...  We must show our love and
|>>compassion towards pregnant women and their babies, or we will never be
|>>able to show our love towards other members of society.
|>
|>I can see you feel very strongly about this, and that's good.  The
|>most important thing we can do right now is to work to better these
|>conditions; maybe someday the economy will have improved to the point
|>where a woman doesn't need to worry about how she'll have enough money
|>for a baby, and medicine will have improved to the point where a fetus
|>can be artificially incubated if its mother is unwilling to carry it.
|>
|>But until we reach our goals, what's an unwillingly pregnant woman to
|>do?  Which is worse: to compel her to assume the risks of pregnancy
|>and the tremendous physical, emotional, and financial cost of it
|>unwillingly, or to allow her to have an abortion in the hopes that
|>maybe she will raise a family someday when she's better prepared, if
|>she wants to?  In order to choose one answer to this question, you
|>have to explain what's wrong with the other answer.
|>
Your right...but I fail to see how you can justify murder and killing 
innocent children...as you have already stated you are doing.


-- 
-Jeffrey Price
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