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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: gif update.
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:40:23 GMT


This is another update of the gifs available from my ftp site.
Details follow:



There are now 43 horse GIFs available from my
ftp site. I'll list them and then give you directions
on how to get them.

ozhorse1.gif
ozhorse2.gif       -    Two different horse pictures.

ozhorse3.gif
ozhorse4.gif
ozhorse5.gif
ozhorse6.gif       -    Various pictures of horses taken at
ozhorse7.gif             an endurance ride in Canberra in October.
ozhorse8.gif
ozhorse9.gif
ozhors10.gif

ozhors11.gif       -    My horse (Khalif) standing in his paddock.

mare-foal1.gif
mare-foal2.gif     -    Three pictures of a mare and her newborn 
mare-foal3.gif          foal.  Sent to me by  John Mares.

Pojoaque1.gif      -    Two horses somewhere in America that has no
Pojoaque2.gif           grass. Sent to me by Gottfreid Mayer-Kress. 

maxpony1.gif       -    A Welsh Mountain Pony. Sent to me by Francis
                        Burton.
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New as at 11 Nov. 92
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fritz.gif          -    Sent by Virginia Rios

seamus1.gif        
william.gif
willow1.gif
willow4.gif
wlofield.gif       -    All of these sent by Nick Beitner of UK
wlohunt.gif
wlojump1.gif
wlojump2.gif
wlomist.gif
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New as at 13 Nov. 92
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quest.gif          -    Melanie Dresser and her horse.

arrie1.gif
arrie2.gif
arrie3.gif
arrie4.gif
nick1.gif
nick2.gif
nick3.gif
ringo1.gif         -   Some more pictures from Nick Beitner
ringo2.gif
seamus2.gif
seamus3.gif
seamus4.gif
seamus5.gif
seamus6.gif
willow3.gif

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If you have some gifs of horses that you'd like the rest of the world
to see, send me an email and I'll give you some directions on how
to send them to me and I'll put them in my anonymous ftp area.

If you wish to get the gifs listed above:



From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now enter the command  ls  you will see a number of
gif files. To get them, enter the following commands:


type binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

( This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine. )

.. and then

get ozhorse2.gif

.. and so on.

To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au

ENJOY!


 
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From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: rec.equestrian.racing
Keywords: racing group
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:13:56 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

I am going to collect each of the responses to this call for discussion I
see in rec.equestrian which were not cross-posted to news.groups and post
them over in there.  This discussion should really be taking place in that
group, not rec.equestrian.  Most of the responses here have not shown up
in that group.  If you are going to post a response, please cross-post it
to news.groups; I will continue to post responses from this group into
news.groups if they were not originally cross-posted.

Judy

I'll let you know when the call-for-votes goes out, in case some of you
don't read news.announce.newgroups.

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
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From: gt1274b@prism.gatech.EDU (Dan Puckett)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:52:17 GMT
Organization: Screaming Lizard Propulsion Systems


princecr@mala.bc.ca writes:
>> 
>> I've heard about a game played in Wales, in which two people grab each other
>> by the shoulders and kick each other repeatedly in the shins.  With hard shoes
>> on.  The loser is the first to disengage.  It's not clear that this is a
>> martial art, but it certainly is the most excruciating combat-type game I've
>> ever heard of.

>	In Russia they do a similar thing, they slap each other in the face
>till one gives up.

Here in America we are too civilized for such primitive customs.  We
express our baser instincts by proxy every four years in what we call
"Presidential elections."  In this game, the winner is the _first_ to
disengage.  The loser is forced to take office.  Brutal, yes, but at
least we _all_ don't have to play.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: kevin@pages (Kevin Sven Berg)
Subject: Martial Society/MA (was: Badass Karate)
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:47:03 GMT

In article <BxIq83.9pp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
(Dakin Burdick) writes:
> In article <1dna0nINN332@spool.mu.edu> kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien  
Kixk) writes:
> >
> >       Which I think brings up the question of -- How can
> >  we truely speak of there being a martial art if not in
> >  the presence of a martial society?
> 
> I'm sorry, but this is pretty ludicrous.  You don't have to
> be at war to learn the art of war.  And the point of the martial
> arts is to learn to live a better life, not go off to war and die.
> If you want to head off to Lebanon to learn the martial arts, be
> my guest, but I just got done reading an article about a Lebanese
> karate instructor (the "father of Lebanese Karate" as a matter of
> fact) who moved to California.
> 
> Dakin
> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Gee, parts of East L.A. still look like Lebanon ;-)
Does that qualify?

Kevin

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: Muay Thai school in Toronto area
Originator: cs922096@a10.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:17:16 GMT



      Does anyone know of any Muay Thai school in the Toronto area?  I'm trying to
find a good school......Thanks.....




|)  Joe
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chemical Deterrants (was: What should I carry?
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:15:41 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Oct29.115002.9459@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>
>Can Mace etc be classified as offensive weapons, i.e. carried with 
>premeditation? If so, how about an inflammable aerosol and a lighter.
>Works real well on out-of-control alsations.

I was under the impression that whether ANY weapon is used for 
'offense' or 'defense' is up to the user, not the weapon...

also what does premeditation have to do with it ?

Is anyone who takes a 'self-defense' course guilty of 'premeditation'
because they were preparing themselves for a possible encounter ?
I'd say yes, but not necessarily 'premeditated offense' whatever
that might be...

-t.c.


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against Socialism and the Communist Party.  When someone takes his own life
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either condoned or been influenced by the 'incorrect thought'.." -Iron & Silk
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Test Requiremnets-WRITTEN?
Summary: -=-=-=-< yes >-=-=-=-
Keywords: -=-=-=-< and answer >-=-=-=-
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:37:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov05.173717.6568
Followup-To: don't bother....
Organization: hah!  we don't need no steenkin' organization!


In article <13874@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:

>After reading all the recent discussion about passing and failing tests in
>Aikido I got to thinking...
>
>Does anybody regardless of your particular MA have to take a written exam
>as part of your test.  Could those of you who do please post some info.

	about the written aspects, after a certain level in or style, the
written becomes a part of the test.
	as to talking about it or more details - no.
	the only thing i *will* say about all of our tests and exams is that
they can and do cover things that you have learned before, and all our material
is built on the basics.  if the basics are strong, and you have been practicing
and listening, then you will have no problem with the physical and mental
aspect of the exam.  the emotional and 'committment' aspects are strictly
'un-teacheable'  you either have or develope them, or you don't.

>about test content and which ranks are required to take a written exam as
>well as the physical exam.
>
>Thanks.

	no problem....

>
>-- 
>Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
>Obukan Kendo Club
>Portland Oregon USA

	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-

          "no more turning away from the weak and the weary.
           no more turning away from the coldness inside!
           just a world that we all must share....
           it's not enough just to stand and stare....
         is it only a dream that there'll be no more turning away?"

                                 pink floyd:  on the turning away
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?) -- note: lengthy post
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:54:59 GMT
	<25507@sybase.sybase.com> <1dna0nINN332@spool.mu.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 03:24:07 GMT


In article <1dna0nINN332@spool.mu.edu> kickda@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Damien Kixk) writes:

[snip]

	  No wonder the old masters were reluctant to teach their
     art to outsiders ...

	  And here comes a completely modern twist ...  Don't
     sell out!  Keep ma underground and keep it punk!  Check out
     the martial art history of Okinaowa ... strong tradtion of
     underground rebellion against an oppressive society.  
     Strong tradition of self-reliance.  What about ... Capoerica?
     ... that martial art that came from African slaves learning
     to fight while in shackles.  

That frequently-recited story of the origins of capoeira seems to 
be a little like the old story about how Korean arts have high 
kicking skills because they were developed by people fighting
against mounted attackers.  Both are poetic attempts to explain 
some of the characteristics of a style, but neither has any 
significant historical evidence to support it.  They're nice, 
dramatic stories, but that's all that they are: stories.  

I refer you to Bira Almeida's book on capoeira for a more thorough 
analysis on the history and development of capoeira.  

[snip]

	  Which I think brings up the question of -- How can
     we truely speak of there being a martial art if not in
     the presence of a martial society?  Hypothetically: The
     only county which could truely speak of having a martial
     art would be a war torn country ... and who would want
     that?  How can there be martial arts where there is peace?
     Or at least, how can you truely speak of a martial art
     unless there is fighting of some sort which is a common
     factor in you're life.  Not just the potentiality but
     rather the actuality ...  To talk of such a thing, would
     it not be a bit pretentious?  Would this not make for a
     "pack of suburban commandos?"  ... Any comments on this?
     please?

Isn't it true that many, if not most, of the arts we speak of 
were developed in just such environments?  To say that they are
no longer martial arts because they are no longer practiced by
people at war, is a little like saying a gun's no longer a gun
because you don't shoot someone every day with it.


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From: helmuthn@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Helmuth Naumer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:21:19 GMT
Organization: Boeing


I believe after ordering, 3-5 weeks for delivery.


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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:24:11 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <720667140snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz> parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Yo All!
>
>There have been many claims to strong martial arts, weak martial arts,
>hard arts, soft arts, easy arts, complex arts, ...
>
>I want to know what everyone's opinion on the toughest arts are.  My
>personal favourites are Mouy Thai (or kickboxing), Kyokushinkaikan
>Karate, some Kempo styles, and some Chinese styles.
>
>What's the definition of `The World's Toughest'?  Well, you decide, but
>some guidelines are good fitness, full contact fighting, and mind over
>body training.  A good philosophy is also needed to temper the skills.
>

Well, a guy came around to a Tai Chi class I was in who said he did Kempo.
He surprised a few people by saying that he broke his hands punching
hard objects..  as he proudly put it:

	"I must break my own bones so that I can break the bones of
	 my opponent"

just so..   this seems pretty tough to me...


gosh, maybe I should have someone beat me over the head with
a baseball bat so that when it REALLY happens, I'll be used to it !


:-)


-t.c.



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either condoned or been influenced by the 'incorrect thought'.." -Iron & Silk
From: dtran@lccinc.UUCP (Duc Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hsing I Kung Fu
Summary: hsing-i,internal styles
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:48:46 GMT
Organization: LCC Inc., Arlington VA

In article <1992Nov6.185306.3511@seas.gwu.edu>, yfkimura@seas.gwu.edu (Yusuke F. Kimura) writes:
> Hi, I'm a student at George Washington University and I've just barely started taking Shotokan Karate, but the classes here seem to be too centered on making money.  I admire the teacher a lot, and he's the main reason I continue to take.  But I also wish they were more interested in my training and not so much in the fees.
> 	Anyway, My girlfriend is taking Hsing I Kung Fu in Blacksburg, VA and her stories have intrigued me to no end.  I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any place I could take it in the Washington D.C. area.  I would be willing to go quite a distance to learn this form.


You can inquire with Sifu XiaoLing Lu of Omei-Shaoling KungFu school
about taking Hsing-I. She is a excellent Martial Artist and Teacher.
Her school is at 4316 Markham St., Annadale, VA. Tel (703)-519-0959.

> 	Also, if there's someone out there who knows what Hsing I is all about, and would like to suggest other similar "soft martial arts" that I could take, I would be very happy to get your reply.
> 

Another interesting internal style is Bagua. It is "softer" than Hsing-I.
Sifu XiaoLing Lu can also teach this style if you were interested and qualified.

> 	I've always been interested: what's the real difference between the so-called "hard" martial arts, and the "soft" ones, like Hsing I or Tai Chi or even Aikido?
> 
> 	if anyone has the answers to any of these questions, any reply would be very much appreciated.


Duc Tran
dtran@sti.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: aikido@cs.ucsd.edu (Aikido Archive Maintainer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido dojo directory updated
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:57:46 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

The aikido dojo lists available via FTP from cs.ucsd.edu have 
recently been updated.

From the README file:

The aikido dojo lists (formerly maintained at iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)
are now at cs.ucsd.edu (132.239.51.3) via anonymous FTP in /pub/aikido.
There are currently 3 lists in compressed format:

	aikido-Asia-Aus-NZ.Z
	aikido-Europe.Z
	aikido-North-America.Z

There are also 3 plain text files:

	README       (this file)
	FORMAT       (contains style guide for dojo listings)
	periodicals  (contains list of aikido periodicals)

An example of how joe@cs.podunk.edu would obtain a list via anonymous FTP:

	% ftp cs.ucsd.edu
	User: anonymous
	Password: joe@cs.podunk.edu
	ftp> cd pub/aikido
	ftp> binary
	ftp> get aikido-North-America.Z
	ftp> quit
	%

The lists are also available via email through an FTP mailer such 
as ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, for example:

	% mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
	connect cs.ucsd.edu
	binary
	chdir /pub/aikido
	get aikido-North-America.Z
	quit
	.
	%

(For more info on FTP mailer usage, send the message HELP to the mailer.)

The file is sent as ASCII (using the btoa filter), and will need to be 
decoded back to compressed format.  Strip off the mail headers using
an editor (such as vi or emacs), then run atob (btoa -a).

Use the "uncompress" command to change the file into a readable format:

	% uncompress aikido-North-America.Z

Additions, modifications, and suggestions should be sent to:

	 aikido@cs.ucsd.edu

Onegaishimasu!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: gee@col.hp.com (Ken Gee)
Subject: Re: Aikido in Sacramento?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:58:24 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

	I know of three dojos in Sacramento.  The oldest is the Budo Edu-
cational Center on Belvedere and Power Inn Rd.  Sensei is Dang Thang Tri,
6th Dan.  Other schools are River City Aikido; Sensei is Hirsch Roby, 3rd
Dan.  The school is on Fruitridge Rd.  The third school is run by Dan Wold,
3rd Dan.  Its somewhere off of Exposition Blvd.  Both Dan and Hirsch are
former students of Tri Sensei.

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jimf@chinet.chi.il.us (James Fitzgerald)
Subject: HapKiDo Seminar
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: il
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:04:43 GMT

 
                           HapKiDo Seminar
                         Given by Grandmaster
           Kwang Sik Myung, 10th Degree, World HapKiDo Federation
                                 and
                           Keller's HapKiDo
 
 
               November 21, 1992,  10:00AM to 4:00PM
                                 at
                              Welles Park 
           2333 N. Sunnyside, Chicago, IL (Montrose & Western)
 
 
                - HapKiDo defined & HapKiDo philosophy
                - KI-Practice & power of KI Energy
                - Basic HapKiDo Striking, Kicking,
                  Throwing and joint locking techniques
                - Pressure Points
                - Demonstration by Keller's HapKiDo
                - Questions and Answers
 
 
           Tickets: $40.00 in advance/$50.00 at door/$10 spectators
           For information call: Mr. Keller (312) 871-0848
                                 2112 W. Roscoe, Chicago, Il
 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: fighting someone of a radically different style
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:34:49 GMT

Michael Levin (mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
: 
:     I am a student of Karate (Shotokan), and am curious about matches
: between people of radically different styles (karate vs. aikido, etc.)
: (not for the purpose of determining the "superior" style, or anything
: like that). Does anyone know of any tournaments where contestants of
: different styles are allowed? Barring that, does anyone have personal
: experience of participating or observing such a thing? Please reply to
: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.
: 
There are quite a few "open" tournaments, but almost invariably the
rules of the tournament will favor the style of the organization
hosting it.  Here in Utah there is the Utah Open Karate championships,
but an Aikido stylist would have problems getting any points in match.
A point requires a clean strike (punch or kick only-- no elbows
or knees), accompanied by a kiai.  I have seen good fighters of
other styles at this tournament get no points because most of the
judges are from traditional karate styles.  They only recognize
certain specific (familiar) techniques as points.

In forms competition other styles stand a little better chance, as
long as they emphasize focus and snappy technique in their forms.

Dave S.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: aj6924234@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Training in China
Summary: Training in China
Keywords: pakua chang
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:16:26 GMT

	I'll be travelling to China upon graduation coming Apr to continue
my Pakua Chang training with my teacher.
	I'd appreciate any comments or advice from anyone who has been to
China to take Wushu lessons ( esp interesting anecdotes or experiences.)
	
James Heng
Singapore.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Example of a martial arts cult
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:29:21 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com's message of 9 Nov 92 14:56:47 GMT


In article <1992Nov9.150331.20204@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:

  >Source: October 26 issue of the Boston Phoenix
  >Author: Rie Kahn
  >Summary: Watch for the classic warning signs of cult extremism in this
  >		well known case study.

ahem...just to clarify, this appeared in the October 26, 1991 (not 1992) 
edition of the Boston Phoenix.  The author's name is Ric Kahn.
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