From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Public Statement.
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:12:45 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <0eckgPG00WAx4E6lIR@andrew.cmu.edu>, dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu 
(David F. McWade) writes:

[....]

> I do not think it is completely out of the realm of possibility to
> suggest that Rich Young and/or Steve Dyer are doing this intentionally
> in order to remove prominent vegetarians from this list.  

It's just another net.conspiracy.   ;-)

> They seem to remind me of the Republican Party in this country (this is
> an election year in America, and the Republicans are the party of the
> rich and greedy special interests.)  The Republican Party will make
> negative personal attacks and then whine about how the Democrats are
> making the negative personal attacks when the Democrats are merely using
> simple factual evidence against the Republicans, which is certainly
> within the realm of good manners.  

The Republican party has also consistantly (over the last 12 years) 
whittled away at our basic rights to privacy and freedom of expression
and here *YOU* are trying to censure someone with whom you do not
agree?????  Sounds pretty Republican to me...  Yup, that's how
the Nazi's started out too!  How does turnabout feel?  I don't mean
to include you in that category, but see how it can work in 
reverse?  Very destructive, is it not?  I know that if
I were compared to a Republican, I'd feel insulted... So what.  We 
need a reality check...  If we feel insulted, *WE* *FEEL* insulted.  
We must take some responsibility for *OUR FEELINGS*, rather than 
blaming others for them.  My second wife was always saying to 
me, friends, family and coworkers things like "You hurt me", 
"You insulted me" and was in an almost constant negative emotional 
state.  When I finally told her that she needed help getting 
in touch with her feelings, after I went to bed, she took about 
a hundred sleeping pills and washed them down with a fifth of rum.  
Too late for that I guess.  

I find all this whom insulted whom and who did it first bickering 
to be *EXTREMELY* distructive.  AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER, REAL OR 
IMAGINED, INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY, WE ARE ALL GUILTY.
Let's *ALL* just *STOP IT* and start discussing these complex 
issues like healthy, well adjusted adults before it fosters any 
more anger and hate.

         I PLEDGE TO SIMPLY IGNORE *ATTEMPTS* AT INSULTS, REAL OR
         IMAGINED FROM NOW ON BY ANYONE.  

         WILL ANYONE ELSE JOIN ME IN THIS PLEDGE?  
  
> Simple points of comparison- I wonder: Are Republicans simply more
> aggressive than Democrats?  (Would Dyer and Young get away with being
> more aggressive toward vegetarians?  Did the Republicans do that to
> Michael Dukakis in 1988?)  And, is it beyond the realm of possibility
> for Dyer and Young to give simple apologies to both myself and other
> people whom they have so callously insulted?

The insults go both ways. No one should apologise to anyone.  Can't we 
just stop it?

> David McWade
> dm3o@andrew.cmu.edu
> Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT for so long.  You feel
> sleepy.  Notice how restful it is to watch the cursor blink.  Close your
> eyes.  The opinions stated above are yours.  You can't imagine why you
> ever felt otherwise.
                        
David, I find your .sig to be an offensive and revolting attempt
at mind control, please remove it immediately...    ;-)   

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.