HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ignaz@astro.uu.se (Der Yeti)
Subject: Plagiat! (Was:Re: Fussball-Bundesliga beginnt)
Reply-To: ignaz@astro.uu.se
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:17:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.170349.536@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt) writes:
->
->Nope, diesmal wird Hamburg Meister!
->
->Man darf die Hoffnung nie aufgeben. Aber ich bin ja schon zufrieden,
->wenn der HSV nicht absteigt und Bayern Muenchen nicht Meister wird (nichts
->gegen die Bayern, ich mag bloss den Verein nicht!).
->
->ciao,
->				Yeti.
                                ^^^^

Seit einige Jahre gehe ich durch dem Leben als Yeti. Das was hier oben
steht ist aber nicht meine Schrift. Ich bezeige diese Unterzeichnung
als Plagiat. Es gibt ja nur ein Yeti und die gibt's auf s.c.netherlands.
Zum Glueck hat ein freundliche Landsman mich auf dieser Ungerechtigkeit
aufmerksam gemacht. Der Yeti wohnt im hohen Norden, und nicht in sonniges 
suedliches Hamburg. Schluss mit dieser Quatsch! 

Der Yeti.


-- 
Ignaz Wanders                 * Tel: +46-18-515208, FAX: +46-18-527583
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            * Ignaz@astro.uu.se (Internet); 21619::laban::ignaz (SPAN)

   "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists 
elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us"
                                            --- Calvin ---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca (Charles Ritz P215)
Subject: Native Americans
Originator: ritz@brtph95
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:03:24 GMT

   Comparing the Nazi atrocities to the United States policies
towards Native Americans is specious at best for many reasons.

1) There was never any 'plan' to exterminate the Indians.
   In fact, there are nearly 1 million Native Americans
   currently living, about as great a number as when white
   people arrived.  Almost every Indian nation that existed
   in 1600 still exists today, albeit on reservations.  The
   great majority of Indians that died died as a result of
   disease, battle deaths and alocholism, not from planned
   extermination.  The Nazis specifically planned for the
   extermination of world Jewry.  There would be no 'reservations'
   for Jews.

2) Unlike the Jews, most Indians were utterly hostile to
   assimilation by the dominant (white) economic and social
   organization.  Jews never declared 'war' on the 'Aryans',
   but Indians often declared war on the whites, and proceeded
   to wage them with great ferocity, often killing all of
   the whites, men, women and children, that they could get
   their hands on.  Indian massacres were a fact of life
   in the old west.  When has their ever been a Jewish massacre?
   The only 'evil' the Americans committed in the Indian
   wars was to win.

3) Let's face the facts, the Indians were total barbarians
   living in the stone age.  Every Indian nation ever found
   practiced torture, slavery and, of course, wars of extermi-
   nation.  They lived constantly on the edge of starvation.
   There was no law courts, no democratic elections, no
   protections against minorities.  Child mortality was almost
   certainly greater than 50 %.  Maternal mortality was high
   as well, though of course Indian women were considered
   useless if they could bear children.  They were often killed
   when (and more importantly, if) they reached menopause.
   Of course, all of the crippled were killed as well.  Needless
   to say, there were no pensions for the aged.  If they were
   too weak, they died as too.  In short, the Indians were
   not 'noble savages' and pre-Columbian America was not a
   garden of eden.
-- 

Charles Ritz   The opinions above do not necessarily represent the
BNR, Inc       views of my employer, but they should.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:05:45 GMT

 > From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
 > Date: 20 Aug 92 12:40:54 GMT
 > 
 > matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese) writes:
 > 
 > >Who's *forcing* people to take low-paying jobs? If they're so many 
 > >terrific jobs in Germany why are people working at Tankstellen?
Amen.
 > >What's lacking in the States is proper education and training in
It's not lacking.  (It's just not properly appreciated.
Many do not recognize the value nor avail themselves of the educational
opportunities.)

And a lot of the huddled masses yearning to breath free
failed to earn their PhDs before immigrating.

 > >the workforce, not good jobs. Besides, working in "fast-food"
 > >joints helped put me through college. It wasn't great work but it
 > >helped pay the bills.
Same here.
I've dug my share of ditches.

 > Oh, c'mon, surely you can't be that nieve?  The whole *damn* system,
 > that's who!  It creates an almost slave-class of the lower class.
Gee, I hope our slaves don't find out how much better off they would
be elswhere than the US.
Fortuantely we have walls and barbed wire to keep them in.
But I have to laugh.  So many fools are trying to get in!

 > No good paying jobs, no social security, no medical insurance.  They
Yes, thats right, so all would-be US immigrants and poor USians
should actually go to Canada.

 > are made to feel as though they are damned lucky to have what they
 > have, and that it is there own fault that that don't have more.
The poor people who immigrate feel damned lucky quite on their own.
 > 
 > Geesh, some people just don't see the writing on the wall.
The wall was torn down by the East Germans, who's government
guarenteed all (no matter how slothful) a job, social security
and public health insurance.

 > Alan W. McKay		| (902)542-2201.158	| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
-- 
Steve Harlow, Spinneheim, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
From: hendrik@cca.vu.nl (Hendrik te Winkel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: nochmal Katrin Krabbe
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:24:28 GMT
Organization: VU Amsterdam - dienst CCA/Cio

psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:

>schade, dass Katrin Krabbe nach der Einnahme des
>zur Kaelbermast verbotenen Mittels Clenbuterol
>4 Jahre gesperrt werden soll.
>Waere doch zu neckisch, wenn bei ihrem Bertreten des Stadions
>alle Zuscxhauer gehaessig zu muhen anfingen ;-)

bischen lila Farbe und sie kann doch nog in einer Werbung
auftreten! (Nike wird's nicht mehr sein.)

Ciao, Hendrik
-- 
Hendrik te Winkel hendrik@cca.vu.nl
	Und ich sach noch Werner, mach das nich.
From: harmeet@eng.umd.edu (Harmeet Singh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Looking for an e-mail address in Greifswald, DE
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:03:16 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

I am new to both the net and this newsgroup, so if I am out of line
with this question, please excuse me.  My friend goes to :
 
Ernst-Moritz-Arndt-Universitat in Greifswald, Germany.
 
This is near Hamburg.  I was hoping she could get an e-mail address at
this University.  Unfortunately, having little computer
experience, she doesn't know if there is a node available there
or even where to find out this information.  

Please e-mail me any possible information about e-mail addresses at
Ernst-Moritz-Arndt-Universitat in Greifswald, Germany....

Thank you very much in advance....

harmeet@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Native Americans
Followup-To: soc.culture.german
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:34:56 GMT

In article <ALTI.92Aug19143351@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk
(Thorsten "Almost too heavy" Altenkirch) writes:

>I don't agree - I found Mark's reply quite reasonable and it actually
>fits very well with what I know already. What is this rubbish "with no
>sources" ??? 

Well both these guys seem to be arguing in a fairly civilized manner
(for the Net, anyway), but what do you mean when you say it fits in
with 'what you know already?'  Where did you learn this stuff?  They
certainly didn't teach me, in American grade school, that the early
settlers regularly practiced ritual mutilation and torture.  Now,
admittedly, if that's the case, they wouldn't exactly want to teach
the youth of America that their forefathers were barbarians, but if
someone is going to make specific allegations to that effect, I should
be able to call them on their sources, and harder details.

>I haven't seen many citations in network news at all. And
>sources may lie as well...

Maybe not, but if I phone up the network news and ask them where such
and such a story came from, they will tell me.  Sooner or later I can
track down the original source of the story, and decide whether it's a
lie or not.

>   Not that I expect you guys care overmuch...
>
>I personally wouldn't because you seem to be quite fast to call what
>other people say 'gobbledygook' and 'gif-gaf'. Can you do better ?

Well, they (and you) seem to be quite fast at blithely accepting all
sorts of things that you 'just know already,' but speaking for myself
and perhaps others reading this group, I'd appreciate something a
little more substantial-- especially considering such a serious topic.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 22:12:27 CDT
From: Irene Marquez <U37533@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Distribution: soc
 <16847945E.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> <1992Aug19.114826.314@cs.tu-berlin.de>
 <92233.004410U37533@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Aug21.113337.13109@cs.tu-berlin.de>

In article <1992Aug21.113337.13109@cs.tu-berlin.de>, wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
(Wolfgang Schwanke) says:

   [lots deleted]

>And b.t.w., I have no difficulty understanding American announcers on
>telly (sic! :), although I was taught Brit pronunciation at school and
>am generally more used to it.

    That must be because we speak a lot slower.  =)

>
>Another thing: a while ago in some newsgroup I forgot there was an American
>who said he uses British spelling, because supposedly American spelling
>(color vs. colour) was introduced by a dictionary maker (was it even
>Webster??)
>to increase the sales of his books :)).

    oh, how american!  =)

>
>>   2. Why are we even talking about this on soc.culture.german?  =)
>
>Because it came up here. Why are we talking about native Americans here?
>50 per cent of usenet users are in the US, so American topics crop up
>everywhere :). But I brought German back in elegantly, didn't I ;-).

     yes, you did, but i deleted it here.  sorry.
>
Irene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Re: beide Eriche sind bloede Feiglinge (was Re: DDR not dead )
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:56:24 GMT

In <l8hd6pINN2v2@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:



>	im Vergleich zu diesem schwachsinnigen Feigling, waere es mir
>	ja fast lieb vom "echten" Erich zu hoeren....

er hat die Regierung der UdSSR als seine Mittaeter verantwortlich gemacht.
nur so nebenbei.

>	Dummerchen.....
>-- 
>  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

Michael

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:59:35 GMT
	<oli.714066001@ernie>
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de's message of 17 Aug 92 15:40:01 GMT

In article <oli.714066001@ernie> oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:

   so the conservatives won't change anything, too.

I thought this was the idea of being conservative ?

T.
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Thorsten Altenkirch		alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk
LFCS, Edinburgh
Scotland
From: jaq@adl.dmt.csiro.au (John Quinn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: German Translation Needed
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:00:35 GMT
Organization: CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Adelaide, Australia

Does their exist, a public domain German to English text translation
program for IBM or Unix.

Replies to John Quinn CSIRO Div of Mantec Adelaide Sth Aust.
jaq@adl.dmt.csiro.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow)
Subject: shopping hours
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:25:52 GMT

 |From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
 |Subject: Shopping hours (Was: living in munich...more questions)
 |Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:57:17 GMT
 |
 |> >Is there anything liberal in the USA ?
 |> 	Yes.  Shopping hours at malls and supermarkets.
 |
 |Now, finally, we are at *the* topic at all - shopping hours!
Amen.

 |And, service here is much better, too.
I wunder why the stores aren't open later in Germany.
It seems that some entrepeneur could make a fortune by opening
a store at later hours for those who wanted to shop later.
There are no Seven-Elevens no Kwik Picks.
What, aren't there any Indians in Germany?
(Oops, another stereotype.)

I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
What, not even to make money?

 |                even carry the shopping cart out and pack everything 
 |into my car
They don't do that here in the midwest.

 |herewith I declare the "shopping hours war" for opened.
Ready...  Aim....



-- 
Steve Harlow, Spinneheim, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: Castle Wolfenstein
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 12:12:47 GMT


In a previous article, carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) says:

>Hallo!
>
>Hat irgendjemand in D. schon etwas von dem Computerspiel "Castle
>Wolfenstein" von Apogee gehoert? In den US ist es sehr populaer.
>Es geht um einen (natuerlich blonden, blauaeugigen) Held, der von den
>boesen Nazis in ebenjenem Castle festgehalten wird und seinen Weg durch
>abschlachten moeglichst vieler Nazis freischiesst. Sehr huebsche Bilder
>spritzenden Bluts.
>Es wuerde mich interessieren, wie Deutsche und Deutschland darauf

Aber der Computerspiel, "Castle Wolfenstein" ist 10 
year old.  The first version was for Apple II or commodore, and was not
"3-d".   You were above and saw everything.
>reagieren.
>
>gruss, Carl.
>
> * OLX 2.1 TD * The worst thing about censorship is ...........
>                                                                                                                 
>

-- 
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University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

RDC>1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
RDC>1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.

I don't know, but I can believe that easily. Embarassing.

RDC>Germany, Italy, Austria, Latvia, and Croatia, are so full of fucking
RDC>bastards, and rascists even in this age,

That's true after my own 26 year experience of living there.

BUT, and this has to be stressed, BUT, there are also OTHER Germans
(like me:-))! Same as not all Americans are bigot, prude racists (both
black and white) as I'm tempted to believe, living in St. Louis.

RDC>Wake up.  You haven't learned anything but denial.

What about a little constructive attitude form your side?

RDC>Roger David Carasso,        please me ask and I will give it,
RDC>Celebrity                   so that we may talk about life.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Just an ordinary, average guy
                                                                                                                              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
Subject: Re: !!!!!! Frankfurt -> Toronto -> Halifax for $100 !!!!!!!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:31:56 GMT

grob@opera.chorus.fr (Lori Grob) writes:

>How does this work for international flights? Surely 
>they will check your passport? I guess you can (the original)
>owner go through all the formalities of check in 
>and then before going through passport control give the ticket
>to the buyer. I know that sometimes they just glance at
>your passport. 

>Has anyone ever had a problem with this? What if your luggage
>doesn't arrive or you have some problem during the trip in
>terms of having to identify your luggage with your ticket 
>and passport? (This happens on international flights once in
>a while) Am I just worrying about the unlikely? 

>Its just that I have been curious for a long time about
>how you travel internationally in someone else's ticket.

>During the Gulf war, at least in Paris they checked your
>passport against your ticket and boarding pass a second time
>at the gate before you could get on the plane.

Hi, me again, the guy with the ticket.  Well, my first comment is
"For $100, you take your chances.  Either you make it, or you don't"

However, When I went to Germany this Christmas, they didn't look
too hard comparing my passport and ticket.  If you are a gambler,
you chance to save a lot of money.  The worst that can happen is
that you lose your $100, and maybe a bit of time.

-- 
--
Alan W. McKay		| (902)542-2201.158	| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
alan@acadiau.ca		| Acadia University	| SUB Box 6008, B0P 1Z1
----------------------------------------- My Canada includes Quebec -----
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Subject: Isn't that great?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:02:53 GMT

In article <m0mKiP4-000MSVC@ddsw1.mcs.com> hbm@ddsw1.mcs.com (Hasan B. Mutlu) writes:

Finally: soc.culture.german has become a newsgroup where you can enjoy Mutlu
and Carasso at the same time!
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
Gregor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Subject: Re: Plagiat! (Was:Re: Fussball-Bundesliga beginnt)
Originator: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu
Reply-To: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Organization: Arizona State University Dept. Physics and Astronomy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:51:41 GMT


Sorry, my machine doest know your host, so please excuse the post 
the the net!

Hallo Yeti (Ignaz)! 

 Sorry, als Plagiat ist meine Unterschrift 'Yeti' natuerlich
NICHT gemeint gewesen! Den 'nickname' schleppe ich seit meiner
fruehesten Kindheit mit mir herum, aus offensichtlichen
Gruenden... Ich lese s.c.netherlands nicht und wusste daher nicht,
dass noch einen Yeti gibt!

Uebrigens komme ich aus Husum, ca. 150km *noerdlich*
von Hamburg und es hat mich nur fuer ein paar Jahre nach
Arizona verschlagen. Husum ist die 'graue Stadt am Meer',
weils dort immer bewoelkt ist und regnet :-(. Yeti's gibt's
offenbar mehr als immer gedacht wird ... Interessanterweise
bin ich ausserdem (theortischer) Astrophysiker, wenn ich
die Addresse 'astro.uu.se' richtig deute, kann dass heissen,
dass yeti's in der Mehrheit Astronomen sind?? :-)

Viele Gruesse aus dem viel zu heissen Phoenix,
                        
                                Peter (auch ein Yeti). 
-- 
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=      "Real Programmer's Don't use Pascal!!!        =
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From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:27:13 GMT
Organization: 'Be at Peace, and Peace will be with you.'

Irene Marquez <U37533@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) says:
>>
>>The reason for knowing anything is based on need.  I argue that
>>america is so big that there is seldom a need to deal with foreign
>>countries.  European countries are the size of USA states, of which we
>>have 50.  Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
>>california
>
>    I'm afraid you went off the deep end, Roger.   I most definitely
>    agree with the basis of your argument.  We in America don't have
>    a need to learn any other language.   Persoanlly, I don't think
>    it's a good thing because it kinda makes us self-centered.  It
>    seems to me that people in Europe know a lot more about us than
>    we know about them.
>
>    In part, I believe that this is due to their
>    knowledge of English which in turn exposes them to other aspects
>    of American life through various types of media.  


No.  Europe knows more about america than we know of them, is because
they *need* to know about us more than we need to know about them.
They had US Forces protecting them from the Soviet Union.  There were
100,000's of troops throughout Europe.  I suppose I'd have to learn
about Germany, and pray a lot, if German troops occupied America.


-- 
____________________________________________________________
___________________________ If you'd like my phone number,
Roger David Carasso,        please me ask and I will give it,
Celebrity                   so that we may talk about life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jfadams@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James F Adams)
Subject: Dr. = Dr. ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:20:09 GMT

Hello s.c.g Users!

Having recently completed a graduate degree (Ph.D) at an American university, I
heard it is necessary to have the academic title recognized in order to use it 
in Germany.  The culture or education ministry of the particular federal state 
is responsible for this (such as the Ministerium fuer Wissenschaft und 
Weiterbildung Rheinland-Pfalz).  I have written to them and received an answer 
as to the information I must provide to apply, but I am curious whether anyone 
on the Net has any experience with this kind of application.  In particular:
1. How long does it take ?
2. How much does it cost ?
3. Has anyone has any problem with it?

(I post this in English, since some American readers interested in working in 
Germany may also want to find out...)

Thanks in advance !

James Adams                                DON'T respond to electronic
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