From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: Othman's argument
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:13:16 GMT

It all started from the request raised by Osbert Tan to Othman:
>> Heng Wei Osbert Tan (fellow@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
>> I'll appreciate if Othman can point out ONE law, regulation, or government
>> practices that may have put our Malay brothers in a disadvantage situation.

Now ...
In article <1992Nov16.064853.15623@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>Mr Khoo Siau Cheng (iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
>: Othman, please read carefully what you have written, and
>: stand by your points.
>
>Why are you so scared to quote my words side by side. You even delete some
>phrases. Let me quote what I had written side by side.
>	I also said:
> >: I may be wrong in the exact tittle of the Job so I hope someone can
> >: clarify. 
>
I am not referring to the title of the job, but the objective of
your mail in response to Osbert Tan's question. That's, to show that
there is law, regulation or government practice that discriminates
Malays; and not to digress to talking about malay sensitivity. This
was stated in the first sentence of my last mail. Can't imagine you
can draw such a conclusion. Please, Othman, read carefully what you
AND what others have written.  

>
>I also check the directory, looking for jobs relevant to Publicity,
>
>Only directors are listed:
>
>director(public relations),
>
What's your point here? Are they looking for a director?

>	You've nicely telephoned SBC but you still have not answered a lot
>of questions. 
A lot of YOUR questions, indeed. Yet, you still expect me to answer them
for you. Sorry, unless you pay for that service:-)

>I do not bother to telephone because it does not concern me.
>I'll just be wasting my time and SBC time. What matters is how I feel
>on hearingthose advertisement. 
>
Oh right, now I see. What is really true don't really concern you.
What really matters is how you feel. You said this partially in your
original mail :
>: Right or wrong is another matter. Some of them , I suspect are
>: wrong ....
I should have taken it seriously then. Sigh, talking to a ...

>
>Is it a cowardly act to present your doubts to usenet group? Knowing that
>some may be proven wrong.
>

No. But it IS if you present an evidence and then claim that you don't
know if that is true. Hello, are you there? Don't you know that you
are not raising your doubts, but you are giving evidence to support
your claim about discrimination against Singapore Malay?

>: intention of finding and telling the truth. Rather, you make wild
>
>If I were to keep quiet, I can find the TRUTH?

Nobody asks you to be silent. I am just asking you not to make
unfounded claim. I trust you don't do that when you search for truth
in religion.  

>	You have taken the negative approach in getting the WHOLE truth, when
>you GLADLY accept half truths form the Chinese Malaysians. You are therefore
>pronounced as a HYPOCRITE.

I know such accusation bound to come out from you. Have I ever said
anything about the validity of the claims made by the Chinese
Malaysian? Since I subscribed to this news group, the only thing I
talked about their claims is the following, taken from my last mail:

>: You [Othmand] then
>: estimated that 70% of the claims [by Singapore Malay] are true. I
>: wonder if this implies 
>: that the claims by the Malaysian Chinese are also 70% true. Of course,
>: you are always ready to say that the similarity does not apply to your
>: private estimation ;-)

Again, a wild accusation from you. Or, in your term, a one-sided fact,
which can later be used as one of your claims. How conveniece!! You
are therefore pronounced as ....

Bye bye.

-- Siau Cheng