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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.	
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:00:22 GMT

In article <jumper.718902303@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:

>I think and act more than Chomsky or other self-styled pundits give me credit
>for.  And I am willing to bet so do the rest of people in this country.
>Quotes like the above seem to imply that most people are simply idiots in the
>first place and cannot see bull**** as what it is; only pundits like CHomsky
>and compnay can and it is their divine duty to "enlighten" us.

In case you ain't in the know, The Average Person has an average IQ, by definition.
Never underestimate the power of the PR industry. Look at how many idiots The Average
Person votes into office every year....






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From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Ads
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:47:39 GMT




In a previous article, tmg@nptn.org (Tom Grundner) says:

>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                        
> October 13, 1992                                    
>
>
>                       YOU KNOW HE'S HURTING
>
>       A First in Presidential Campaigns: Paying for Good Spin
>
>     [Statement of Bob Boorstin, Deputy Communications Director]
>
>      When it came to fanciful and bizarre campaign television ads, we
> thought we'd seen it all from the Bush campaign.
>
>      But today's contribution adds new dimensions to the word
> desperate. You know you're really in trouble when you have to pay to
> try to convince people that you won a debate.
>
>      Once he finishes paying for his spin, the ad turns back to what
> George Bush knows best: distorting Bill Clinton's plan.
>
>      So at the risk of repeating ourselves -- and in contrast to what
> the citizens on the ad told the Bush cameras -- we repeat ourselves.
>
>      Bill Clinton's plan will cut taxes on working families. The
> Clinton plan includes $60 billion over four years in middle class tax
> cuts and $12 billion in tax cuts for the working poor.
>
>      Commenting on the Bush's campaign last ad to make such claims,
> The Wall Street Journal said, "...Mr. Clinton has proposed to cut
> taxes for the sort of [middle class] workers featured in the ad."
> [WSJ 10/2/92]
>
>      George Bush and his admeisters can continue to talk about
> tax-and-spend. But that doesn't change the facts: the Clinton/Gore
> plan will cut $140 billion in federal spending, cut the deficit in
> half in four years, and give middle class families a tax cut of $300
> per child.
>
>                             -- 30 --
>
>
>


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--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Perot's back in
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

AJ>> this guy is starting to look more like lyndon larouche every day...

Hey, that's the third hint to fascistic Perot! This man has a problem
with basic human rights!
He is dangerous. Besides, I'm not surprised by his re-enter. It smells
like a very well calculated move.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Bad officals are elected by good citizens who do not vote
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Worldview and european Anti-Africanism 1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:06:49 GMT

>In article <92280.112509SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>...
>==This is seen in the european religion from the greeks to the christians,
>==in european literature and philosophy from Plato and Homer to Marx and
>==Nietzsche.  And most importantly in the european sciences.  This
>=="man"/nature dichotomy is the foundation of all other european dicotomies,
>==and there are many.  This need for the spliting up of everything into linear
>==catergories where one is valued(superior) and the other de-valued(inferior)
>==is a uniquely european enterprise.  *All other* cultures in the world
>==recognize the connection between man and nature(spirit) and seek to form a
>==connection with it in differing degrees.
>...


ahem... may I be the first to point out that this anonymous piece
of nonsense is itself an attempt to to "split up everything into 
categories" where one (European culture) is inferior to the others 
(everything else)?


Stefan Michalowski
stefan@sunrise.stanford.edu




From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:14:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re Apportioning blame
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
From: garth@leo.irv.icl.com (Garth Armorer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Dreadlocks - history, info wanted
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:41:38 GMT
Organization: ICL Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA

In article <UenAXAG00UhWM4Ycdv@andrew.cmu.edu> happygal+@CMU.EDU (Lynn Evette Clarke) writes:
>i just wanted 2 point out that there are women in the rastafarian
>movement as well who are just as concerned about their religion and its
>appropriation as de nex body.  by using strictly male nouns and pronouns
>such as "rastaman" and "a dread...his locks" u render females invisible
>and thus continue 2 oppress women in the movement, and women in general.
>
>once upon a time it was "fine" 2 use male terms 2 describe all people,
>but that along with the patriarchal social structures that support these
>terms are rightly being challenged.  in many circles, it is no longer
>acceptible and in some cases quite offensive 2 blanketly describe humans
>as "man".  sure it is difficult 2 change language and societies, because
>a fundamental change in thinking is required first. but it is something
>worth thinking about.
>
>happy day!
>
>*=^>=-p-=
Hi Lynn, I have to say that it's pretty sad to see someone with some form
of higher education as yourself (assumption on my part) send out mail
replies that are void of almost any punctuation. Come on, you can do better than
that. If you let this become  a habit it'll be hard to break when you have
to do some writing in on-the-job situations. This is not intended as a flame
but as constructive information. The reason I bring this up is because it
becomes difficult to read and therefore may get tossed before it's completely
read by someone that you really are trying to communicate with. Peace.


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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Readership for the s.c.a. groups
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:35:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Oct4.084438.1773@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:

# soc.culture.african.american is the 499th most widely reader
# newsgroup, averaging 17,000 pairs of eyeballs and 936 gems of
# wisdom a month

Whoa ... are you guys all getting 30 messages a day on s.c.a.a?  Do
they have outgoing kill files or what?

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Human Unity
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:58:57 GMT

In article <4267.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)   
writes:
} DAA>In article <4196.117.uupcb#travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl  
Camurc
} DAA>writes:
} DAA>} Because they see it as sign that they have "made it". BUT, there are
} DAA>} also other Blacks dating Whites (and vice versa), where this does not
} DAA>} apply. LOVE is the reason (revolutionary concept, as Jones posted it
} DAA>} earlier, isn't it?)
} 
} DAA>Okay, now which is the rule and which is the exception?
} 
} The question is: What is desirable?

No, the question is what is the reality?  What is the rule, and what is the  
exception.  The problem holds the key to the solution, so how can you ignore is  
simply for superficial "desirable" results?

} DAA>} Would it be too bold to put "Human Unity" instead? (Just trying...)
} 
} DAA>I appreciate your tries, but I feel that we as Blacks have to get our  
house
} DAA>order first, before we can just "Unite" with the White world.
} 
} You cannot separate that. Do you want to build an "African American
} Nation" first? The leaders of this homeland would then negotiate with
} the leaders of the "United Milkland States"? Nonono.
} 
} Start with your surrounding and try to see Whites as human beings and
} not as Whites. I know, easier said then done, but try. Were you never
} attracted by a white male? Just curious.

Uniting first with my own Black people means a HELL of a lot more to me than  
uniting with Whites.  That's not saying that we can't look at Whites as people,  
too, but we have to take the initiative of Black Unity primarily.  No matter  
how divided White America seems, on the whole, they get what they want out of  
the System.  We as Blacks simply don't ... 

} DAA>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
} 
} Got the CD, read the lyrics, still disagree. For a different reason. As
} far as I've understood, this song disses the "Nigga" brothers, which are
} different from the "Good Blacks". Sounds all too familiar.
} It's not that I support macho behaviour, assholes come in all colors,
} too, but do not make the same mistake again. Do not stereotype. And,
} what bugs me the most, don't use the White man's name calling. WE don't
} have to take over everything of the White man.

Yeah, it was originally the White man's name for me that he used to shout at me  
boastingly and with intimidation.  Now, I'll call myself nigger, or my friends,  
(I used to have reservations about this; obviously now I don't), simply because  
I want Whites to hear it and remind them of its origins as it puts that fear  
into their hearts.  They KNOW that word can't be uttered from THEIR lips when  
I'M in their presence!  I know they want to say it SO BAD.  I dare them!  It's  
something you may not understand since you've grown up around White Germans who  
supposedly just love them some Black people.  How did your parents raise you in  
regards of telling you your history?  

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The Decline of America: A "Kinder, Gentler Nation"]
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:45:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu

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The Decline of America: A "Kinder, Gentler Nation"


==================================================================
Mortality rate per 100,000 due to homicide for children age 1 to
        19, 1983-86, and for males age 15 to 24, 1986-87:
==================================================================

COUNTRY(12)   CHILDREN AGE 1-19    MALES AGE 15-24

U.S. black         10.7                  85.6
United States       3.7                  21.9
Denmark             1.5                   1.0
Canada              1.1                   2.9
Switzerland         1.0                   1.4
Belgium             0.9                   1.7
Germany             0.8                   1.0
Norway              0 7                   3 3
France              0.5                   1.4
United Kingdom      0.5                   1.2
Netherlands         0.4                   1.4
Spain               0 3                   ---
Ireland             0.2                   1.3
New Zealand         --                    4.4
Finland             --                    3.0
Australia           --                    2.5
Sweden              --                    2.3
Japan               --                    0.5

Sources (for chart and text): Bret C. Williams and C. Arden Miller,
Preventive Health Care for Young Children (Arlington, Va.: National
Center for Clinical Infant Programs, 1991), p. 73; Lois A. Fingehut
and Joel C.  Kleinman, "International and Interstate Comparisons of
Homicide Among Young Males," JAMA, vol. 263, no. 24, June 27, 1990. p.
3293.

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_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New    
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.   

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    ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation."   

                        -Robert B. Reich, author of The Work of Nations
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Date: 8 Oct 1992 07:20:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct7.220909.2915@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu
(Andrew Burt) writes:
}Yes, obviously.  My point was that I believe doing this is maybe not
}a "good thing" (that is, distinguishing a group of people with a name
}when their only difference from any other people is a physical attribute).
}In an ideal world it might not matter, but in *this* world it assists
}people who want to make decisions based solely on this attribute (which
}I clearly believe is a bad thing).  It gives them some justification, as
}in, "that group has a special name, so there MUST be something to it
}other than this meaningless physical feature of skin color".  My point
}is that there is NOTHING to it other than skin color, yet people think
}there is, partly because it has a distinguished name.
}
}It's a matter of how we use language.  If we avoid using that
}distinguished name, then that feature (darker skin) ceases to *sound*
}like it matters.  I mean, would you think it made any sense to say "man
}with dark skin appointed to high court"?  Since we don't have a "special"
}word for it, it loses its power.

You missed the point of my posting the various definitions of black compared
to orange.  What it was meant to show was that "black" in addition to defining
a color also means an ethnic group and as such refers to *all* it's attendant
physical and cultural attributes, *not* just skin color.  So that, to follow
your first post, proper substitution for black would be another ethnic group
like Latino and not another physical feature like bignose.  The matter of the
acceptability of the word "black" to identify African Americans is another
matter.  But again, that usage of the word is just as distinct from the color
black as is the fruit orange from the color orange.
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:40:53 GMT
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

	
	Racism is a subset of prejudice....

	If anyone has a prejudice toward or against a particular
	race be it hiring or dating, is showing a form of racism.

	All racism is _not_ inherently 'bad'.... or at least not as
	'bad' as other types.... Basically, this means that people
	tend to understand or even expect people to judge others
	partly by their race when searching for a mate.

	People are less tolerant when someone is judged by their race
	when searching for a new employee (or renter, etc...)

	But make no mistake, distinctions made between people of
	different races even when searching for a mate are certainly
	racism....  it is just that it is a form that is accepted
	or even encouraged.

	A true 'color-blind' society would show no signs of same-race
	relationship tendencies.

	-Mike-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:19:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.033854.23078@microsoft.com>,
chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.181741.26913@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.004932.27961@gagme.chi.il.us>,
>>.
>>In regards to the above:  the reason why I think so many Silicon
>>Valley nouveau riche here in California and elsewhere are ponying so
>>much moolah to Clinton is that they feel threatened by the
>>disparities between rich, middle-class and poor.  Now it's only rich
>>and poor.  Folks are beginning to look real hard at WHY, and that
>>puts the rich on the hot seat.  Better back this cornpone dude no
>>matter how much you hold your nose. The alternative may be their
>>ass.  Plus, no body likes Bush, the phony!
>
>
>
>Clinton's economic program will not redistribute wealth with is what is
>necessary for the economic mess to be repaired.  Clinton defines the
>middle class as income below $200,000.  This is ridiculous when the MEDIAN
>income is below $30,000.  While Clinton may throw people a bone with more
.
(Stuff deleted here for brevity's sake.)
.
.
Don't you think I don't know about some of this stuff here?  I don't
take back anything I said, especially about folks holding their
noses as they vote.
.
Look, there was the documentary that came out re The Kennedys on
PBS last week or so.  While their shit, unconfirmed or not, has hit
the wind publicly, can anyone now, in hindsight, think that Nixon
was a sure alternative in 1960 to Kennedy? Give me a break.  Just
who do you suggest as a viable person to run this country?  I count
myself as progressive, too, and I also believe that this is the last
chance I'm giving the system as run so far to choose a president.
In this, I join my girl Rep. Maxine Waters of Los Angeles, who said
this is the last white boy she's voting for.
.
It seems like every fifth or sixth car in the Peninsula is sporting
a Clinton/Gore sticker. Bush is dead meat in California.  And
sometimes, as California goes, so goes the nation.  Quayle turned up
in S.F.'s Chinatown and got booed.
.
Last note, I saw that Eddie Kendricks of The Temptations died...of
lung cancer. The dude was 52.  What is this?  This is young...
Marvin Gaye, Mary Wells, David Ruffin...these are the people I grew
up with on the radio.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.160243.2408@morrow.stanford.edu>,
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <BvqCp7.GFw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>>
>>Obviously you know this stuff more than I do. But methought many Jews did not
>>leave Germany coz elsewhere in the "white" world the folx were just as anti-Semitic.
>>Specifically, more Jewish intellectuals were murdered in Poland than in Germany (of
>>course, the culprits were just "obeying orders" as usual)[BTW, during recent elections,
>>Lech Walesa kept on using the term "intellectuals" in reference to the Jews, much in the same way
>>Quale uses the term "caltural elite" to mean all those against his notion of "family
>>values"];the Baltics were not much of a heaven either; US of A was returning the refugees
>>back to their death etc...Uncle Sam is still doing the same shit to the Haitians.
>>
>.
>Which reminds me of the Time article last week regarding the
>cultural elite.  Mike Nichols stood up at a Clinton rally in
>Hollywoodland and said, "Let's not fool ourselves who the cultural
>elite is...good evening, fellow Jews."


Let me also qualify myself.  Hitler also blamed the Jews for letting
blacks into Germany to contaminate the Master Race.  Ever wonder
what happened to the black community in places like France during
the Occupation?  You guessed it.  Gassed.  Intellectuals, dancers,
workers...and this story is just beginning to filter out. So much
for Ivan Dixon's role in "Hogan's Heroes."
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