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From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:26:49 GMT
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
Distribution: rec.driving
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Sunnyvale, Ca.
In-reply-to: joel@upchrch.UUCP's message of Sun, 05 Apr 92 03:07:41 EDT

In article <iNXqiB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
   steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:

   > I hope
   > you meant to say that "motorcycles are _perceived_ to be dangerous".

   I'd have to say that the perception is pretty accurate in this matter. I
   did some analysis of accident statistics one time and found that
   motorcycle riders are twenty times as likely to get killed in an
   accident as automobile passengers on a passenger mile basis. It worked
   out as about four times as likely to have an accident and about five
   times as likely that each accident will be fatal.

----
This is not quite enough.  All it shows for sure is that
the population of people who ride motorcycles on public 
highways are more likely to have accidents and die than
the population in cars.  There is a strong bias built in
to these numbers due to the self-selecting nature of the
motorcycling sample.  It is at least plausible that the
people who choose to ride motorcycles might also be more
likely to be younger, less experienced, crazier, and more
iconoclastic and that they might tend to speed, drive
recklessly, be less attentive, flout authority ...
and so on.

I would be more interested in your statistics if they
involved a controlled sample of some kind or if they
showed that the same group is more likely to have
accidents while on motorcycles than when in cars.
Many of us have both.  But it is well known that
most motorcycle accidents happen to drivers that 
have been riding for less than six months and that
many of these accidents don't involve other vehicles
directly.

Finally, I would like to see some control on the
incidence of accidents attributable to the fact that
many drivers won't give motorcyclists a break.  This
factor contributes to the question of motorcycle 
safety, but could be changed by education and attitude
adjustment.  That makes it not inherent to motorcycle
safety in a physical and mechanical sense.

--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
From: haverl@cats.ucsc.edu (Carl A Haverl)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Computer that is easy to switch between bikes?
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:05:47 GMT
Distribution: usa


Are there any computers that can be programmed for the tire sizes
of three different bikes?  I would like to be able just to select
"bike 3" when I switch the computer to the next bike.  Ideally,
the computer would keep separate odometer totals for each bike.

I can't see buying three separate computers, since I can only ride
one bike at a time anyway.  I have my eyes on the Avocet 50, which
is certainly too expensive to buy three times.  What is involved in
switching the Avocet 50 to another bike?


-- 
Carl Haverl
haverl@cats.ucsc.edu

305 Chace St.
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 458-3259
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASHclo
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:41:09 GMT

In <00958CA9.ED8A1920@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO> dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:

>>"Furthermore, the production of bicycle frames and components is
>>hereby recognized as an industry vital to the national defense.  The
>>Department of Defense shall establish a Bicycle Research Group, whose
>>goals [.....]

>Does that mean that there will be a DoD approved chain lub, DoD approved
>freewheel, DoD approved .....? But I guess we in Europe will not be able
>to get these parts because DoD will not allow export of the parts since
>they [DoD] will look at them as millitary secrets ;-)

No, it means the DoD will spend a hundred million dollars equipping
all our European troops with these bikes, and give export incentives
to U.S. manufacturers helping equip our NATO allies.  Then when the
U.S. cuts European troop levels further, we'll leave the nearly-new
equipment behind for the enjoyment of European surplus-store shoppers :-)
Titanium freewheels, 15 cents on the dollar!  Jerseys $1 for two, as
long as you don't mind green!

Did I mention the new gas masks designed for high-exertion cycling?
Not only are they proof against nerve gas, but they block out urban
smog and have defrosters built into the goggles for winter use.
-- 
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 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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From: jp721@snoopy.umd.edu (John Elvis Puttybody)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Broken cassette?
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:50:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WANTED: PD7401 pedals
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:47:42 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute


 I need to replace at least my RIGHT pedal soon.
 I only want Shimano PD7401 (Dura Ace model).
 Either New or somewhat used but not trashed.

 Price negotiable.

 Dennis Allard (310) 399-4740
 allard@isi.edu
From: budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:34:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Break Wind Like A Pro!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

keho@quads.uchicago.edu (david kehoe) writes:

>I noticed that every issue of Bicycling! magazine has a cover headline with 
>either the word "break" or "wind".  I expect the next issue to have the cover
>headline "Break Wind Like A Pro!"  

Gas production seems proportional to miles ridden, in my extensive experience.
With my piddling 200 or so miles/week I could never compete, volumetrically 
speaking, with the pros riding two or three times that much.  Others, 
namely riding buddies, might disagree.

Just the other Saturday I was in the local shop, in search of some
weight saving, speed enhancing gizmo.  Whatever I wanted sent the clerk/
mechanic into the back room.  The front of the store was then completely
empty.  Seeing the coast was clear, I let one rip.  Really rip.  It was
ugly.  Unfortunately, Stevie found what I wanted really fast and came
back up to the counter.  As he rang up the bill he started glancing around
the store with a look that was a mix of confusion and concern.  He then
saw me crack a smile.  I knew I was busted and I couldn't avoid it.  He
said, in that world weary tone that surfer types have perfected, "Oh dude.
Did you beef?"  I said, "Hey I just rode 60 miles and had a Super Burrito
for lunch."  With a flash of understanding he said, "Oh.  It's cool," and
wandered off.

>we couldn't believe that we'd done 35 miles in 45 minutes,

You're not alone.

-Bud
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm))
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:58:13 GMT

In article <3216@tegra.COM> hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:
>
>jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm)) writes,

>> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
>> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle
>> :)

>	  This is exactly the attitude of so many bicyclists have that
>	really anger the rest of us.  You know where you can put the
>	smiley because you haven't fooled anyone.  *THE* roads were in
>	place long before there were any of your sacred *bicycles*.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.  The first paved roads in America
were built for bicycles.  There were paths since the first roaving
animals evolved.  If you wish to ride your motocycle or drive your
car on these your welcome to.  If you want to ride on paved public
steets you should share the road with all legal vehicles.

>       The
>	fact that *bicycles* are *supposed* to move to the right for
>	faster traffic does not mean that they do.

In most states bicycles are required to ride as far right in the lane
as practical.  It is stupid to sit at the far right of the lane when
preparing to make a left turn, at an intersection, or when the edge
of the road is too rough to traverse safely.

>	When I was a small
>	child I was taught to ride my *bicycle* on the side of the so
>	that I wouldn't be killed.  This is someting that a lot of adults
>	seem to have forgoten.

You were taught to avoid trafic instead of interacting with it.  When 
bicycling on busy city streets it is sometimes necessary to ride a
little more agressively and force drivers of motorised vehicles to
respect your space.

>	You exibit some of the "elitest snot"
>	attitude that is prevailent amongst *bicyclists*.

I'm elitest because I wish to ride my bike to work without being
molested by motorized trafic?  I ride such that I inconvience 
other road users as little as possible.  Sometimes a driver may
have to waste a few of their precious seconds so that I can use
the road, big deal.

>	You are no
>	better than the rest of us and *you* have no more right to road
>	than anyone else.

I don't think that I have more right to the road than other road users.
Except for limited access roads I have just as much right to the road
as anyone else.  It's the law.

>	In addition your attitude sucks; get a life

If you think that I'm lacking a life just because I ride a bike it
only shows that your attitude sucks.  All most bicyclists want is
coexistance.  I believe that every mile less I drive a car or
motorcycle, the world is a little better place.  I don't expect
that anyone will respect my somewhat sublime attitude but I do
hope that they will at least respect my rights to the road.


       Bruce Jackson, UNIX Sysadm    | jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu
       Univ. of N. Tx, Comp Sci Dept.| jackson@csci1.csci.unt.edu
       P. O. Box 13886               | GAB 550E (817)565-2279
       Denton, Tx. 76203-3886        | FAX: (817)565-2799
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:14:20 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Apr13.124759.27475@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:


   This morning, I woke up to a nice and beautiful, bright... SNOWY DAY!!!!!

   !@^&*)(!@$^&(!@%^&)!@#$^&)(#!%&*()!#&*()!@&*) $!@&*) @!*)%&%*!$&&$@! !!!!!!

   The bloody snow was reflecting light into my room.  I thought it was sunny!

   !@$^&*)%@!^#@^&$)@!$^!&%)@&*$@!*(&$_(*!@&%^&$)@!^&*)%^ !@&*$)&@!$  !!!!!!

   5" (13 cm) so far... more to come.

Ken, Ken, Ken,.. 

Think of it as extended spring ski season or, if you want to stick to
biking, extra practice time for next year's winter riding... :-(

--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: How to prevent bar-end theft
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:39:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <rrb4lINN8fl@agate.berkeley.edu> dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi) writes:
>In article number 52784, Seth Abrams writes: 
# >How does one prevent the theft of bar ends???? 
# >Seth 
#  
# About four weeks ago I got the bar-ends stolen off of my bike at school. 
# It was sort of my fault because I used to park my bike in the same area 
  [...] (good story deleted)
  
#         By the way, the other guy's bike had slick tires on it, and was 
# TOTALLY clean.  I bet his bike has never even touched the dirt.  So god 
# knows why he thought he needed bar-ends.   

Hmm, I use ONZA bar-ends on my so-called MTB (with slick tires),
which I ride mostly on the road.  If you do a lot of miles, the extra
hand positions help (especially for us numb-fingered types).  (Why a
slick-tired MTB on the road?  Good question.  It seemed like the
ideal commuting solution a few years ago. I should have just used my
touring bike.  No flamage, please, MTB's for the dirt are just
fine.)
  
#         Anyway, if you have a mountain bike with bar-ends that aren't 
# welded on, you might want to consider taking them off when you lock your 
# bike. 
#         I was thinking about looking for torx bolts with the same threading 
# and diameter and using them on the bar-ends instead of the allen bolts, but 
# I haven't seen many of those bolts around.  (By "torx bolt" I mean the ones 
# with the star shaped heads). 

Here's a way to protect your bar-ends from casual theft.  Get some GE
silicone seal (I use the black goop).  Clean the Allen bolt heads, so
there's no oil or other grunge in them.  Fill them with the sealer.
If you do this right, the thief cannot put a key in the bolt, and he
can't easily strip the sealer out.  The price you pay is that when
YOU want to remove the bar-ends, you have to spend about 10 minutes
picking the sealer out with a sharp tool.

I discovered this a few years ago, when I noticed that the 7mm Allen
bolt on my road bike stem kept getting filled with grunge.  I tried
"sealing it off" with silicone seal, thinking that I could just pop
the sealer out when I wanted to remove the stem.  NOT!  It took me
more than a few minutes to pick the sealer out of the stem bolt.

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 700x20 vs. 700x2? tires
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:41:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C1DC96.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <1211@seqp4.sequoia.com>
jcurtis@seqp4.sequoia.com (John Curtis) writes:
 
>
>Hi. - I'm riding on 700x20 tires now on a pair of
>Mavic Open-4CD rims.  I weigh 190 lb.s and experience
>a reasonable number of flats if I keep the tire pressure
>consistently at 120 p.s.i.  I'd like to reduce the
>number of flats -
>
>	1. If I go to 700x25 mm tires, will this
>		reduce the number of flats significantly?
>		I'd guess that 50% of my flats are snake-bite.
 
You bet. I weigh more than you, and ride about 25% more
miles a week. My Michelin 700x23s have 2,000 and 1800 miles on them
with *no* flats at all.  Lose those skinny tires. The Michelin
700x28s are larger than many 700x25s and are the skinniest I'll ride.
My track bike has 700x28 tires.
>
>	2. Will 700x25mm tires really impact the bike performance
>	    dramatically?  Bear in mind that I'm really a
>		recreational rider - ~100 miles/week, 16-17 mph
>		average, century (solo) in about 6:15.  Not
>		a speed demon, but not the slowest thing on the
>		road either.
 
Not much, if you keep them well inflated. 700x20s are for riders
with a support truck full of spare wheels. :-)
 
     --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cincy/Dayton Bike Path???
From: estelter@desire.wright.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:30:36 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone knew if the Cincinnati to Dayton bike trail
>>> loop was finished???
>>>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory)
Subject: A lousy night out on the road...(or, how to keep bike from freezing?)
Keywords: cold-weather cycling
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:14:07 GMT

I had a lousy night out on the road last night.  A freak spring
snowstorm hit while I was delivering pizzas on my bike.  Now, I ride
year-round, so snow is usually no big problem.  Last night, tho, all
of the water and slush was freezing to my bike!  The rear derailleur
kept freezing up.  Each time I stopped, broke the ice off, and got it
freed, it would freeze back up again within a few hundred yards.
Even worse - ice built up between the cogs of the rear freewheel.  I
kept stopping and trying to keep it clear w/ a pocket knife, but to no
avail.  The ice build-up was so severe that the chain wouldn't engage
the teeth on the freewheel completely and kept "skipping". 
 
Anyone know of a good way to prevent ice formation like this?  I was
thinking a person could make a small cloth or plastic "bootie" to put over the
parallelogram of the rear derailleur so that ice wouldn't build up on
it.  Also, could some kind of brush or "comb" fastened to the
chainstay be used to keep the freewheel clean of ice?  A friend of
mine recommended liberally applying straight "liquid" WD40 to
everything.  Has anyone ever tried any of these things?

I assume ATBers have a similiar problem with mud build-up.  What do
they use?

-Jim (freshair@iastate.edu)

P.S.  Despite the weather, I *was* still able to deliver 14 pizzas!
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dept. of Plant Pathology, ISU (by day)   |          - anonymous
Fresh Aire Delivery Services (by night/weekends)
From: dchoi@physics (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Slick tires for mountain bikes.
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:06:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

I just got some Specialized 1.25" Fat Boys for my mountain bike. . . and 
boy, what a difference!  I used to have some cheapo 1.95" knobbies that 
came with my bike and they sucked both off-road and on.  So now I have
2.1" Panaracer Smoke tires for off-road and 1.25" Fat Boys for the street.

I haven't ridden any tires besides those I mentioned, so I don't know how
1.5" or 1.95" slicks ride, but the 1.25" width and 100 psi tires feel 
really good.  It feels like I don't even have to pedal.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Bianchi for Sale (repost)
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:06:09 GMT

****************************************
F O R   S A L E   F O R   S A L E
****************************************

52cm Bianchi Tangent Hybrid frame
(sloping top tube)

Includes: Tange Levin CD headset
          SunTour XC-Comp bottom bracket
          SR TCO seatpost & Paul superlight Q/R
          Silca frame-fit pump
          2 Cat Eye bottle cages

Excellent condition, white/silver/yellow fade

Price: $150 (obo)
       shipping negotiable

E-mail for more complete specs, info, etc.



--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:28:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Bike Locks (Was: Re: BICYCLE CRASH)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle

Well, its clear that roads were not built for cars.  But were they
really built for bicycles?  I always thought they were first
used for things like moving armies around before cars _or_ bicycles
existed.

  - steve
From: dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Advice/items sought
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:27:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Originator: dchoi@physics

As far as the advice goes, I was wondering if any of you have had any  
experiences with the Cateye C-200 cordless computer.  The main thing I would
like to know is how durable it is.  Will it be able to stand up to the rigors
of hard off-road riding (and falling)?

I apologive to those who would rather not see wanted ads on this newsgroup,
but. . .

Maybe one of you will have one of these items and want to sell.

1)  Nashbar "Townies" grocery bag panniers (or something similar)
2)  Rear rack trunk 
3)  26.0 mm ATB seatpost (at least 300 mm long)
4)  130 mm ATB stem (for a 1" headset)
5)  Veta Light or VSA saddle (ATB)
6)  26" ATB wheelset (6 speed)

If you have one of these items and would like to sell, please respond via
email.
From: bryce_jasmer@next.com (Bryce Jasmer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tender Nipples
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:10:51 GMT

Don't get all excited now... this is a legitimate question about my (male)  
nipples.

I ride around 100-150 miles a week and went on a 45 mile ride one Saturday.  
When I got home, my nipples were sore to the touch. I was wearing a  
semi-loose 100% cotton shirt and was mildly sweaty. Is the problem with the  
cotton shirt rubbing me or could there be some other reason?

I just bought a CoolMax(tm) jersey today. Will this be a big help? (And no,  
it isn't covered with big name sponsers that would make me look like a Fred.)

Thanks,
Bryce Jasmer
bjasmer@next.com
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:26:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

> >It is true that there are too many idiots on bicycles out there.  (My
> >personal peeve is people riding the wrong way on a one way street at night,
> >without lights.)  
> 
> you often see (well, maybe that is an overstatement: you
> feel they are there) schoolboys in their black uniforms riding the wrong
> way on a one way street in a rainy night, without lights of course. My,
> these drivers are careful to avoid them.

There was a boy who was breaking almost every single rule there is to break a
year or two ago here in Ft. Collins: riding the wrong way, on the sidewalk, at
night with no lights.  And of course he wasn't wearing a helmet.

So when he crashed, leaving him paralyzed, his parents of course did the
natural thing - they are suing the city.  Yeah, right.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: jcurtis@seqp4.sequoia.com (John Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 700x20 vs. 700x2? tires
Summary: How wide can I go?
Keywords: flat, flat, flat
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:45:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: seqp4.1211
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

Hi. - I'm riding on 700x20 tires now on a pair of
Mavic Open-4CD rims.  I weigh 190 lb.s and experience
a reasonable number of flats if I keep the tire pressure
consistently at 120 p.s.i.  I'd like to reduce the 
number of flats -

	1. If I go to 700x25 mm tires, will this 
		reduce the number of flats significantly?
		I'd guess that 50% of my flats are snake-bite.

	2. Will 700x25mm tires really impact the bike performance
	    dramatically?  Bear in mind that I'm really a 
		recreational rider - ~100 miles/week, 16-17 mph
		average, century (solo) in about 6:15.  Not
		a speed demon, but not the slowest thing on the
		road either.

	3. I heard mention in an earlier thread of building a
	   symetrical rear wheel, and using spacers to align the
	   chain properly.  Anybody know how this is done, and
	   if it leads to chain line problems? 

    The bike is a very nice DeRosa with approx. 13,000 miles on
    it and Shimano 600 w/6-speed cluster.  I built these wheels
    using Jobst's book (very cool book) - it makes intuitive
    sense to me that an evenly tensioned rear wheel is going to
    hold true longer.

    Thanks,

    jcurtis at sequoia.com