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From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: jever-commie-beer / PU / etc.
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:29:42 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)


hi,
    i plan to travel to cuba this fall and couldn't stop 
laughing as i got a travel-catalouge with an ad of my
favourite pilsner JEVER. it's the same ad (northern german
landscape with a light-tower(?)) with the additional text 
JETZT AUCH IN KUBA (i guess you know what this means).
now i'm sure i could exist there for two weeks.

and a short note to the pilsener urquell (talk). i don't 
like it, it's not bitter enough. not only beers from
there are called pils((e)ner), millions of german beers 
are pilsner AND as far as i know germans (berliners?)
found the pilsner urquell brewery.

fosters is now available in germany too, but identical
to the US bud brewed at the place were it gets sold.

note that berliner weisse has almost no alcohol. in 
the netherlands we saw/drunk (only once) a lot of 
syrup-mixed beers, absolute perverse sweet and chemical 
taste, aaaaaarrrrrgh!

the ma of my GF brought me a can of the US bud and 
a bottle of rattlesnake-beer. i'm very curious about the
bud, cause i heard a lot of horror-stories.

if you like to drink a beer that put off your shoes try
steinbier (don't know the brewery's name, it's only one 
in the world, here in germany). somehow involved in the
brew-mechanism are roasted stones (on special kinds of 
wood). similar to dampf and rauchbeer, but the smoke-
taste is one million times stronger.

- tB!
From: tom_santos@taligent.com (Tom Santos)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sammie Smiths
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:38:52 GMT
Distribution: alt.beer
Organization: Taligent

In article <7438@monmouth.edu>, c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE) writes:
> >-->Samuel Smith's Butt Brown Ale<--
> >
> S.S. Nut Brown Ale is one of the finest brews available to us.  Its butter-
> scotch aftertaste and fine mellow maltiness make it a superb brew.  In all
> fairness you are entitled to your opinion, but bashing this newsgroup
> because you tried someone's suggested brew and didn't like it, is ignorant.
> 
> Let's hear more from the Jon Binkleys and Dan Browns of the world!
> 

First of all, I was just trying to be funny (but you are just a little too
sensitive unfortunately).  The last thing that I am is ignorant.  I was not
bashing "the newsgroup".  Yes, I am entitled to my opinion so I said it.  I've
been brewing for myself for some time and deal with plenty of people who are
probably more beer-educated than yourself.  I like a wide variety of beers friom
around the world and Samuel Smith's Butt Brown Ale is not one of them.  Can I
not make a joke?

--
Tom Santos                                 (tom_santos@taligent.com)
From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: I Want to open a Brewpub. How?
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:45:48 GMT
Organization: DEC Palo Alto

phughes@spock.NMSU.Edu (HUGHES) writes:
> I would like to find out how to open a brewpub...

From what I understand, I'd say that step 1 is to locate half a
million dollars.  Well, maybe step 1 is to see a psychotherapist, 
and if that fails then locate half a million dollars.


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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Abita Springs beers
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.142429.5822@infonode.ingr.com> rock@medch.b17a.ingr.com (Chris Hudson) writes:

   Does anyone out there have any information on the beers brewed by Abita 
   Springs brewery in Louisiana?   We have just recently gotten them in 
   Alabama and I was curious as to what they are like.

I tried two versions on tap at Mulates cajun restaurant in Baton Rouge
about 6 weeks ago and enjoyed them.  Details of the flavor I can't recall,
but I'd say that they were your average-quality microbrew, not THE
WORLD'S GREATEST BEER, but they had plenty of character and weren't
obviously flawed in any way.  If you don't have many other local micros
to choose from, I'd certainly make it a priority to try Abita.

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
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From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: selling homebrew
Summary: Selling homebrew (legally?)
Keywords: beer
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:07:05 GMT

In article <mcweek01.712529312@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
 mcweek01@sirius.spd.louisville.edu (Michael C. Weeks) writes:

>  I saw a message on here a few days ago from someone
>  in New Mexico, I believe, who wanted to open a brewpub.
>  Along the same lines, I work in a college bar, and I've
>  asked the owner to sell a homemade beer on tap. He's 
>  perfectly willing to do it, except for the legality.
>  Can someone out there e-mail me a message telling me 
>  how a bar/restaraunt would go about legally selling 
>  homemade beer? 

Basically speaking, you will need to get the federal and local permits for 
brewing beer for sale.  There will also probably be other agencies involved, 
for such things as inspecting the premises for adherence to health 
regulations.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
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From: paul@gergo.tamu.edu (From under the rock of Paul Stine)
Subject: Re: Keg design
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical and Environmental Research Group - TAMU
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul10.064557.11572@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, psc9q@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (The Beloved) writes...
: 
:Dunno. Anyone know what the deal is with Bass kegs? I ordered a keg (half-keg
:in this case :) ) and was quoted $68. Of course I jumped all over this only to
:be shafted when I picked up the keg a few days later. Turns out, the manager
:made an error and I had to pay $104. Since our party was scheduled within the
:hour, I had to pay. Anyway, the capacity of the Bass keg was more like 12
:gallons (according to the label). Granted, it required a special tap, but why
:less volume?
: 
:Paul
:-- 
:beloved@virginia.edu                 "This, is F-U-N."
:psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu                  -- Mystery Science Theatre 3000

	'Kegs' of most imports are almost allways smaller in volume 
	than domestic 'kegs.' (about 12 to 12.5 US gallons). I'm not
	really sure that there is any specific reason for the size
	difference (although you conspiracy buffs may know better.)
	$104 is not too bad for a keg of Bass. It costs the retailers
	around here (College Station, Texas) about $110 for Bass and
	about $90-ish for Fosters. Domestic kegs prices run about $46
	after the last two tax hikes. (I promise I won't get started
	about the @%$#^&* tax hikes.) I generally thought that we have
	some of the least expensive beer prices at $3.75 for a 60 oz 
	pitcher of domestic, but then we work on a volume basis. 

	BK: "How are Bud Light sales volumes for the bar now?"
	RB: "We are currently second in volume for the entire state,
	     for any sized establishment."
	BK: "Who is first?"
	RB: "The AstroDome."
	BK: "Oh. :-> "

	-------------------------------------------------------------
	Paul E. Stine '83		Geochemical and Environmental
	aka "barkeeper"			       Research Group
	PAUL@GERGO.TAMU.EDU	  College of Geosciences and Marine Studies
					    Texas A&M University
					
	  The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of 
	 the Texas A&M University System. I'm not even sure they are 
	 mine, as I think I had my opinion removed as a small child.
	-------------------------------------------------------------
From: ken_p1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: New micros in CT and TX
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:40:40 -1000
Distribution: usa
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <1992Jul14.221145.1754@mercury.unt.edu>, cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams) writes:
> In <SPENCER.92Jul13095737@guraldi.med.umich.edu> spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas) writes:
>>Does anybody know if Celis is sold in Ft. Worth?  I'll be there at the
>>end of August, and would love to pick some up.  Can't make it down to
>>Austin, though.
> 
> Me too! Me too! I'm in Denton, but I can make it to either Dallas
> or Fort Worth, and I'm anxious to check these beers out.
> 
>>--
>>=Spencer W. Thomas 		HSITN, U of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109
>>spencer.thomas@med.umich.edu	313-747-2778
> 
> Thanks,
> -cgw-
> 
> --
> christopher williams   cgw@unt.edu  +1 817 565 4161  Just a guy
> lead programmer/operator, university of north texas  made of dots and lines.

Celis beers can be found at Goody Goody store on Greenville Ave. as well as at
the Greenville Ave. Whole Foods Market.  I have seen it at both places and have
enjoyed it at The Gingerman (behind the Hard Rock across from Quadrangle).

Ken Papai
Dallas, Texas
From: tom_santos@taligent.com (Tom Santos)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sammie Smiths
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:28:55 GMT
Organization: Taligent

In article <1992Jul23.162945.979@cs.ucf.edu>, tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
writes:
> I think I can say without a
> shred of doubt that these are the two worst beers I have ever had in
> my life. They were simply undrinkable. An aftertaste like kerosene is
> being generous. I have never in my life had a beer I couldn't finish.

After trying Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale and realizing that it had a distinct
aroma of dog manure, we dubbed it:

-->Samuel Smith's Butt Brown Ale<--
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--
Tom Santos                                 (tom_santos@taligent.com)
From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:21:10 GMT
Organization: DEC Palo Alto

binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:
>>knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>>>I had read ... that Coors ... ship a *syrup* to ...
>>I certain that this is absolutely false.
>I don't know about the "syrup" part.

That's what I meant was false; I really don't care what kind of 
water Coors uses to brew.  Given the technology of modern 
industrial brewing, it really doesn't matter.



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From: n8932023@henson.cc.wwu.edu (RoB ShEpHeRd....)
Subject: Re: imports
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:50:23 GMT

>2/ For those who aren't, what Aust. imports does anyone favour?

Well, I do believe we favour Foster's Lager.


Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: EAGUADO@SCIENCES.SDSU.EDU (Ed Aguado)
Subject: Re: Beer advertising
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:08:30 GMT

In article <76487@ut-emx.uucp> chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:

>In article <22JUL199215152027@sigma.tamu.edu> rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>American pass this one up?!  What an all American slogan!  Budmilcoors is
>>throwing their advertising money away on women in bikinis!
>>
>>Mr. Weather <> aka Ken Blair <> rkb6116@zeus.tamu.edu <> Aggieland USA

>Oh, I dunno... I think I have to disagree on this one.  I mean, I prefer good,
>wholesome bikini blond in my beer commercial anyday... Aw, hell, why not just 
>one super hot all-American babe?  Sounds like a hell of an ad campaign to me...
>:)


>Chris

How about PATRIOTIC American babes in bikinis?





________________________________________________________________
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Deptartment of Geography  
San Diego State University 
San Diego, CA 92182-0381 
 
(619) 594-5930
 
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: "Green Death" Beer
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:02:13 GMT

>We called Milwaukee's Best "Spud", because there was a distinct potato taste in  
>the brew.  Anyone other beers called "Spud"?

The infamous    SPUDWEISER            (In regards to ingredients more than taste)

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: calwell@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Calwell)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:21:58 GMT

From article <13525@mindlink.bc.ca>, by Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton):
> Since this subject (especially in comparison with Canadian beer) comes up
> pretty often here, I went to my local B.C. government liquor store to do some
> research. All beer sold in Canada must have the % alcohol by volume on the
> label, and that includes U.S. beer. (Write your congressperson and ask him/her
> why U.S. beer sold in the U.S. doesn't have this.) The results of my research
> are as follows:
> 
>         Michelob                5%
>         Rainer Dry              5%
>         Henry Weinhart Dark     4.85%
>         Henry Weinhart Ale      4.7
>         Old Milwaukee           4.6
>         Lone Star               4.5
>         Rainier                 4.4
> --

This brings to mind something i have been thinking about lately. 
I have recently returned from the U.S where i fell in love with the Beer
there, trying about 32 or so different types. ( I'm actually ashamed to
say that i prefer the U.S beer to the Aussie product.)
My favorite was Coors light and Coors and on a trip to the brewery in
Golden CO they mentioned that the Coors had around 4% and the light
around 3.5%. On my return i tried the Coors which tasted completely
different, but had no % on the bottle. The others i tried here, Michelob
and Miller tasted as they should but said they had about 5%.

My question is basically this, i thought that all U.S beers were around
the 3.5-4% mark, are the export versions different, in %
alcohol? (perhaps why the Coors tasted different, but then why did'nt the
others taste different). 
Does U.S law limit the % alcohol in beer? ( Other than for Sundays in
some states)
Or do they just tailor the taste for different markets?

Extremely curious 

Dave

P.S Its an expensive hobby, the U.S beers cost about $2.50 (Aus) from
the liquor store (per 12oz bottle) and around $5 from a nightclub.


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From: rbj@mips.murdoch.edu.au (royce jenkins)
Subject: Re: imports
Organization: Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.065023.22345@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8932023@henson.cc.wwu.edu (RoB ShEpHeRd....) writes:
>Newsgroups: alt.beer
>Path: csuvax1!uniwa!munnari.oz.au!network.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!caen!batcomputer!reed!henson!n8932023
>From: n8932023@henson.cc.wwu.edu (RoB ShEpHeRd....)
>Subject: Re: imports
>Message-ID: <1992Jul28.065023.22345@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
>Organization: Western Washington University
>References: <1483@grivel.une.edu.au>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:50:23 GMT
>Lines: 5

>>2/ For those who aren't, what Aust. imports does anyone favour?

>Well, I do believe we favour Foster's Lager.


IMHO, Foster's Lager tastes shit. I prefer an icy cold bitter beer rather 
than any lager. My favourites are (from Australia) Emu Bitter, Tooheys Red 
and Swan Dry (not a bitter) and from elsewhere, none. I don't know if these 
ones that I like are exported to America, but if they are how many of you 
americans like them.
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From: mark@csvaxd.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout
Reply-To: mark@csvaxd.csuohio.edu
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:59:29 GMT


To the poster of Dragon Stout:
 
Dortmunder Union is a german lager made by the same brewery as DAB
while Dortmunder is their dark beer.  Neither is Jamacian, so you might 
not want to trust your local beverage store clerk as much in the 
future. 

-Mark 
(No signiture file as yet)

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Victoria Beer
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:03:43 GMT

In article <711777756.F00002@blkcat.UUCP>  
David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>   LW> From: larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
>   LW> 
>   LW> When I go to Victoria, which is as often as possible, I always try to
>   LW> get my hands on a fine local beer called Herman's Bavarian Dark Lager.
>   LW> It is brewed in Vancouver, but I can only find it in certain places. 
>   LW> What I'm wondering is if they export the beer anywhere in the U.S.  I
>   LW> am in Portland, Oregon, and there are a few places here that sell
>   LW> different types of international beers, but I can NEVER find good 'ol
>   LW> Herman's.  Anyone out there who can help?  I'm down to my last bottle!
> 
> I'm planning on going to Vancouver in the fall.  Can you tell me more about
> Herman's?  Is the brewery open for tours?  Are there any other good breweries  
/
> microbreweries / Brewpubs (especially Brewpubs) in Vancouver?
 
Hermann's,  Piper's Ale and Lager (formerly Viking) are all brewed in
Victoria by the Vancouver Island Brewing Co.  They have a Vancouver office
(in Richmond actually).  I think they have tours.  A guy in the Garrick's
Head Pub in Victoria said he was on one and they gave him a T-shirt.
As far as I know, the bottled stuff is only distributed in B.C.  If you
want to contact a Portland importer, I'm sure you can get your hands on
some.  In B.C. you special order through the gov't. liquor store and they
deal with the importer/exporter.  I don't know how it's done in Oregon,
but good luck.
The only Vancouver microbrews are the Shaftebury Brewing Co. and Granville
Island Brewing.  Also check out Okanagan Spring (the beer, anyway.  The
brewery is seven hours from Vancouver).  Whistler Brewing offers a lager
and an ale.  They are all available in Vancouver area pubs, but there are
no brewpubs in Vancouver.  
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: "Green Death" Beer
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:53:17 GMT

>The infamous    SPUDWEISER            (In regards to ingredients more than taste)

You mean "Buttwiper"...

Does anyone else remember the "real" Spud Beer?

"You've just had an intensive session of Electroshock Therapy, and
you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.  All those childhood
traumas, magically wiped away, along with most of your personality.
Now's the time!  Time for Spud!  ...the beer that made Boise famous."

Ah, well...maybe I _am_ getting old...

---
gak
107/H/3&4

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From: jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (John R. Mellby)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Dallas Beer - Gingerman Location
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:42:59 GMT
Organization: TI-DSEG Spring Creek

Are there so many queries about Dallas in al.beer just because I'm
willing to post messages from Dallas?  Anyway, The Gingerman
is an offshoot of the Houston Gingerman's.  It is about a mile north
of downtown, at Boll and Howell (no assurances these are spelled
correctly, as I don't have a map here).  Go North from downtown on
Pearl or St. Paul and get to Mckinney.  Aobut a km north/east on
McKinney, just past the Hard Rock Cafe, and Pizzeria Uno you will
find Boll (or is it Howell?).  1.5 blocks left (west) is
the Gingerman's.  They have around 40 taps of beer including such
things as Samuel Adams, Anchor (once they had Anchor Christmas beer),
Sierra Nevada, Youngs, Celis, Paulaner, Spaten, ...
I'm told they are now serving pub food (not highly recommended), and
people used to order pizza from Pizzeria Uno (2 blocks away).

John R. Mellby                       Texas Instruments
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Keg design
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:41:35 GMT

> Yeah, I wonder if any homebrewer have any experiences using (making?)
>wooden kegs.

  Amish catalogs often sell wooden kegs for cider.  These kegs are from 5 gals
up to 200+ gals (monsters!  A whole years brewing in one vat!)  They're made
from white pine and are water-tight by fit, so they cost about $100 and up, 
with the 10gal keg costing about $120.

  Cheeper ones can be had if you want wax-sealed kegs, but I'd worry about
what effect that might have on the flavor.

  I haven't tried one of these, but probably will sometime soon.  Sealing the bung
is always a worry, but if it doesn't work then I can just set it  on the shelf for
atmosphere in the brewery.

  If anyone's tried one of these, I'd be curious to hear what kind of results you
got.

  The catalog I use is Lehman's.  I haven't got the address with me but will try to
post it soon if anyone's interested.

  Ciaran.


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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Keg design
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 22:07:54 GMT

In article <18JUL199220490587@sigma.tamu.edu> rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather) writes:
>Earlier, dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes...
>
>>                                           A US keg of beer weighs
>>about 300 pounds, so a barrel would be pretty unwieldy for a truck
>>driver to handle.                                                    
>
>You say that a US keg is 15.5 gallons and weighs about 300 pounds. 
>I don't think this is the right weight.
>
Mea culpa.  Its the "elephant keg" (full barrel) that weighs in at
close to 300 lbs.  15.5-gallon kegs just *seem* that heavy when you're
trying to heft one up into the bed of a pickup truck.  I should have
heeded the old addage "a pint's a pound the world around".

-- 
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The Spud Goodman Show      ####### #######           Elvis Presley was a joke
dcb@rosedale.uucp           #####   #####            A washed-up has-been.
 ..uunet!camco!rosedale!dcb      (_)  - - - Ciao.    Then he died... The King!