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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO WAGON -- Again
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:22:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) says:

>Just for those of you who engaged in the discussion about putting
>an SHO engine in a Taurus Wagon, the Fall 1992 edition of the
>SHO Registry newsletter says that they have purchased a Taurus
>Wagon and are looking for a wrecked SHO ('93) with an automatic
>to slip into the wagon.  


why in the hell are they doing this??..why not do it RIGHT the first
time w/ 92 parts or something easier to find..and the plus of a stick
and by the time they get all the bugs worked out, they would have a much
less hard time finding one of the autos(as i can understand wanting an
auto in a wagon loaded w/ screaming brats!..)...but..what the hell!!??!
get if off the ground w/ a stick..they should be easier to come by, to
begin with..and should be a decent conversion platform to build off of to
put in an auto later, when they are less "novel".

>
>The newsletter goes on to say that there is a rumour of a "couple"
>of SHO wagons with 3.0Ltire manuals in the Detroit area...
sounds cool!!!!

>Sooo, it is happening already...
>
>The newsletter also says the new shifter conversion kit is 
>available for $319 from SVO.  It is reputed to work great.  The 
>conversion takes about 3 hours and requires a cut in the exhaust
>system.  Part number is M-7210-SHO and it is ordered from
>313-466-1519.
>SHO  GOZE
DREW
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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:38:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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From article <1992Nov20.091245.6306@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen):
> In article <1992Nov20.002400.23792@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>Simple solution to the seatbelt problem: buy foreign. Having walked
>>away from a headon collision at 45 mph with a John Deere tractor, I
>>can guarantee you that Nissan seatbelts work very well.
> 
> maybe.  the 300ZX turbo i drove tonight had door mounted belts.
> big minus.
> -teddy

The 300ZX is a 2-seat vehicle.  It is also generally considered a high
performance car.  Anyone who has one of those who does not rip out the
3-point crap and install 4-point has an open trace on his/her mother
board.

Chris Prael
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LIDAR Demo on TV
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:23:03 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov13.221829.27760@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov12.182532@usho21.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|> > The only disadvantage shown was the 2-3 second lock-up
|> > time and the difficulty keeping the sighting bullseye
|> > on the vechile.  Even at distances just over 300 feet,
|> > the dot was dancing all over the car. 
 
|> Is the dot actually hitting the car?  Is the dot used for aiming, with
|> the real beam coming from a more powerful IR laser source?  So I guess they
|> shoot 2 beams at you?  How can they see the dot at 100 yards (a scope?)

 There is a military aircraft-style HUD (Head Up Display) on the top 
 of that laser gun, the other has a rifle-style scope.  It may or may
 not provided any magnification.  Anyway, a little bullseye-type dot
 is projected up onto the HUD and when you look through the HUD, the
 dot "appears" to be on the target.  The laser beam is being sent to
 the same place the dot "appears" to be.  Therfore, if the dot is 
 "dancing" then the laser beam is "dancing" too.  Go to a local gun
 shop and look at their laser aiming devices.  They use "dots" the  
 same way.

 TRAVIS
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:16 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Take an old tire and lean it up against the garage wall.  
Alternately, take an old tire and tie it to the grille.  
You won't hurt anything you hit and all the girls will 
look at you when you go by.  It really works, too.  You 
see it on tugboats all the time, and if you don't believe
me, just go up to any deckhand on a tugboat and ask him if 
the girls look at him when he goes by.  

You could always get a pair of "curb feelers" and mount them
under the bumper instead of on the side.  For reinforcement
of the learning, keep a can of drywall mud in the garage and
compel yourself to patch the hole in the garage wall every 
time you go too far.  

Happy motoring,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:52:54 -0500 
From: Brett Earl Forejt <bf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE

Hey, Let's see here, i have read about a thousand of these stupid
remarks and i still cannot figure out why you just can't park right?
maybe you should turn on the lights? (in your head)! Because i don't
think yours are on!

but on a serious note,




1: First design and construct a matter transporter ( then i personally
would patent it!)

2: then park your car on the transporter pad

3: then beam your car into the garage!

4: volia! you are there

Oh, shit, i guess i forgot to hang a tennis ball from the transporter pad!
From: jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Roersma)
Subject: Ford Probe - invoice prices wanted
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:52:37 GMT
Distribution: usa


Hello everyone.  Does anyone happen to know the dealer
invoice prices for the '93 Probe (4 cylinder manual with AC)?

My girlfriend is planning to buy a car soon and is looking
at the Probe along with a couple of other cars (namely the Saturn
SC2, Dodge Shadow convertible, and Chrysler LeBaron convertible--any
comments?), but she would like to get a better idea of what to expect
to pay.

Thanks!

--John
jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: shtono34@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mailing lists
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:40:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Sorry people, but since there is no FAQ on this group,

Could you direct me how to subscribe to mail lists of
BMW, M-B, and Audi (VW)? 

Thanks, Vincent
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Clarkkent)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Crown Vic Police Package
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:45:00 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <uznerk.722203461@mcl> uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:

>I just saw this in an "all Ford" magazine and found it pretty amazing.
>It showed a picture of a CHP Crown Vic, fully decked out in CHP trim, with
>a Paxton Supercharger installed on it.  The car is the Old style Crown Vic,
>not the new one, so it had a 351W engine in it.  The amazing thing is, the
>article said that before the supercharger was installed, the Crown Vic
>took 16.6 (!) seconds to hit 60mph.  What a joke!  Even after the blower
>was installed, the car still took like 9.9 seconds to go 0-60.  In my mind,
>that's pretty pathetic.  How can Ford sell such a product designed for
>law enforcement with such horrible performance?  

>Oh well, sorry to all you Ford fans, I guess I just had to go off on that one,
>considering the type of car I drive (and its FAR superior performance :)

>BTW, the article said that 250 Crown Vics would get superchargers installed
>on them.  Not that I'm worried, I'm not stupid enough to try and run from the
>cops.  (Even though a Paxton-equipped Crown Vic could at best only keep up
>with me:)


My question to the editors/authors of that publication would be
	
	"What color is the sky in your world?"

I ride in 89-91 Police pkg Crown Vics several times a week.  This particular
pkg included not the huge 351W, but the std 302EFI w/ dual exhaust.  This
car will do 0-60 in less than 10 seconds!  I've been at higher speeds than
that in a short distance.  Not a sports car, but competent in the world
of rolling couches!  Two new '92's recently arrived, they're even
more competent at 0-60, though unless available with the dohc(instead
of the present 210hp sohc) v8, one wouldn't crack 8seconds to 60.
What year is the Caprice?  C&D says a new Caprice Police pkg will
take 8.7 seconds to hit 60 mph!, sounds similar to a crown vic, 
doesn't it?

Adam

awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

'yes, of course, I DO drive a Ford'
From: qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Cindy Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LH: first drive
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:40:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

I just drove a Chrysler Concorde this weekend.  It was 
equipped with the 3.5 liter 214 bhp motor and the Touring
suspension with Eagle GA tires.  This is a magnificent automobile,
and it is every bit as good as it looks.  Buy one and laugh and
point fingers at those who drive Camry V6's.  It was such a
great feeling to drive an affordable American car with such
thorough excellence!  Best of all, its build quality and materials
are every bit as good as the Japanese.  Be proud, America!
There is indeed hope for the American auto industry!

--Aamir Qazi
  mail to: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


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From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:33:58 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <1992Nov19.030248.19722@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
>In article <Bxtpps.EvC@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>
>>|> Every car must pass an annual mechanical test to ensure safety,
>>|> emmision, etc.  How is that?
>
>Are you saying that the US doesn't have such a system?

That is correct.  But, as I am constantly pointing out to non-US
readers of this newsgroup, this sort of thing is not anything the
federal government *should* be involved with; this is the domain of the
states.  And, in fact, most states do have annual vehicle inspections,
many of which include emissions tests (though the areas subject to
emissions testing are often dictated by the federal Clean Air law).

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From: david@elvis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:33:44 GMT

chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar) writes:
>300ZX:      Refined.  Elegant.  Best styling job that Japanese designers
>            have ever done.  Also, goes like stink, and handles well.  Best
>            interior too.  Control placement is nearly perfect, and quality
>            is high.

Wasn't the current 300zx designed in California?
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Waxing New Car? (Saturn SL-1)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:42:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>I just got a 1993 Saturn SL-1, so far, so good.  Since the birds have
>already started in on it, it seems that a coat of wax is in order.  
>One friend has suggested that I wait a while for the paint to 'cure'
>before I wax it.  
>
>Can anyone offer some more knowledgeable advice on the subject?  For the
>record, the car is white with a clearcoat paint job.

Open the driver's door and look at the mfr's plate affixed to the
door jamb somewhere. The Year and Month of your car's birth will be
noted there. If the car is at least 2 or 3 months old, then the paint
has cured and you can go ahead and wax it, but if it's younger
than that, the advice I've always heard, from those who allegedly know,
is that the paint has not yet cured and at this stage you should only
wash the car with cold water and no soap and your hands or a very
soft sponge, and dry it with very soft toweling or a chamois.

If you must park it where birds are going to relieve themselves
on it constantly, buy a good car cover, DON'T use a sheet of
plastic or other materia lwhich does not "breathe". Otherwise
moisture can and will get trapped underneath and do more damage
to your finish than letting the birds shit on it will do.

Excellent car covers, custom made to fit virtually any car, are
available from places such as Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories,
who advertise in Car & Driver, Road & Track, and etc. (I have
no relationship with them)... they make 3 or 4 different grades
of covers and you can expect to pay about $100 or more for one. 
Since you have a current model they'd probably have a cover for it
in stock and could ship it without any delay if you ordered one.

Enjoy, 
Harv
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sml@plato.ds.boeing.com (Stuart Lewis)
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Summary: simple solution - cheap too!
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:44:53 GMT

>hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>thanks.

You don't want to do that!  Why take up all that nice floor space
with something as big and ugly as a parking lot curb (that'll give
you a hernia unloading it anyway!)!

Do this: Get an old tennis ball - the loud yellow or orange ones are
best.  Get a few feet of string or twine.  Run the twine through the
tennis ball.  Park your car exactly where you want it to be in the
garage.  Now, hang the tennis ball, like an ornament, so that it
just touches the windshield.  Voila', you can now park perfect every
time - just pull up 'til the hanging ball touches the windshield.
And, none of that annoying bouncing off the curb, either.

Stuart Lewis
sml@plato.ds.boeing.com
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:53:12 GMT

Did anyone see The Simpsons last night?  There was a great airbag scene
in it.

Spoiler to follow if you are a Simpsons fan and didn't see Mr. Plow yet:


Homer was on his way home from the bar (Moe's), drunk, during a blizzard.
As he is weaving down the road, he comes to a sudden stop, hitting
another car.  His head hits the steering wheel (breaking it).  Homer
climbs out of the car, and just as he gets out, the airbag goes off,
followed by a classic Homer "D'oh"

Well, I thought it was funny.

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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs specu
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:36:22 GMT

In article Ix0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>>It's almost a sacrilidge to take the vette and camero
>                                                ^^^^^^
>>from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
>


                        
FYI,The new ones will hit the showrooms in about two months.





>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled
>
>CAMARO   
>
>with an A!
>
>C-A-M-A-R-O   


Torque Monger



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:59:54 GMT

In article <uznerk.721888494@mcl> uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:
>In <1992Nov14.163136.24473@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> kiel_jeff@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com writes:

...

>>7.  Putting US auto-workers out of work is good for America.  Let's say a US
>>auto plant goes under.  A few workers loose their jobs.  So what!  First of
>>all, they were making bad cars anyway - they do not deserve to work!  Second,
>>they are going to collect unemployment anyway.  They can spend this money on
>>the economy which will definitely HELP the U.S. economy.  Eventually they 
>>will find one of those new "service" jobs like working at McDonald's.  
>>Besides, if enough people loose their jobs we would need to open another 
>>unemployment office which means we need to hire more people to staff the 
>>office which CREATES jobs.  You see?  This definitely helps the economy by 
>>creating jobs and putting more money into the economy.
>
>
>BAH! I'm not even going to bother answering this one.  I'm actually starting
>to laugh now.
*******************************************************************************
I need to say some things in response to this. 

The best time I spent at the Greater Boston Auto Show was the half hour I 
talked to ASSEMBLY LINE workers doing PR work at the Oldsmobile and Cadillac
displays.  You know what?  These people equate the need for doing quality
work on the line with their CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO EAT.  A matter of survival.
Think about that the next time you sit down at your desk to read the paper 
instead of diving right into your service sector job.  You might also want to 
think about the kind of people you are hurting when you decide not to consider
"buying American".  These are good people, the kind I grew up around in the 
Rust Belt Midwest.  

The Japanese manufacturers build some great products.  So do the US companies.
Don't support the junk, buy the good cars, and at least be willing to look
at the American cars with an open mind.  

Manufacturing equals national prosperity.  You may have your ass covered for
now in the service sector, but as we lose manufacturing jobs, our standard of 
living declines, and your children are going to live in smaller houses, drive
junkier cars, and have fewer electonic toys than we do.  That is the 
consequence for sending wealth out of our country.  I'm tired of hearing 
people trying to rationalize their way out of this responsibility.  It's
time we grow up as a nation and accept the consequences of our actions.           
Tim Gardner

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From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:50:42 GMT

In article <Uf1IO_G00WB5Jl=lMm@andrew.cmu.edu>, jyri+@CMU.EDU (Jyri Virkki) writes:
|
|> 
|> This reason particularly is not true. A Civic, or any other equivalent
|> car, will cruise all day at 110mph with no difficulty at all. There
|> are very few cars anymore that are not suited for 100+ driving, even
|> the worst offenders of a few years ago, big american sedans, are now
|> being built with acceptable handling. The only modern car I've been in
|> that became twitchy after 70 or so was the Geo Metro.
|> 
|> Jyri J. Virkki | DoD#561 | jyri+@cmu.edu | Carnegie Mellon University | MSINI
|> jyri@[rummat3|rmece02].upr.clu.edu       | Use finger to obtain PGP public key

It's not enough to go fast in a straight line.  You have to feel safe
when pressing hard on the breaks or having to switch lanes in a hurry.
That's what makes the difference between a car designed for 100+ mph
and a car that can go 100+ mph.

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From: sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM (Peter Sheriff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Merkur Scorpio
Keywords: comments?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:05:07 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


     My brother-in-law has an '88 Scorpio. He has had considerable work done
on the suspension and front end. The dash has cracked. He has had some very
strange wiring faults. The clear coat is peeling off on the hood. All of
the work he has had done turned out to be very expensive in both parts and
labor. He still loves the car but he is beginning to get realistic about
it and is considering selling it (since he got married and now has a child
to look after$$$$).

                              Pete
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: GM Problems (was Re: saturn/OLDs speculation)
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:17:28 GMT

In article <BxtH82.Ix0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>>It's almost a sacrilidge to take the vette and camero
>>from chevy.  (well the camero is being phased out anyway
>
>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled
>CAMARO   

For that matter, it's s-a-c-r-i-l-e-g-e

Alan
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Crown Vic Police Package
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:36:11 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

In article <1992Nov20.044500.14118@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Clarkkent) says:
>What year is the Caprice?  C&D says a new Caprice Police pkg will
>take 8.7 seconds to hit 60 mph!, sounds similar to a crown vic,
>doesn't it?

Who would want to be seen in the redesigned Caprice anyway.  I think they're
the ugliest cars on the road today.  As for the Crown Vics, I'm not too fond
of their looks either but the University Police here have the best midnight
blue 1992 police cars (Vics) I've ever seen.  And they're definetly not slow,
for a fullsize sedan that is.
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