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From: gpetty@rain.atms.purdue.edu (Grant W. Petty)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Commercial tab sources (Was: Re: TO TAB OR NOT TO TAB......)
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:52:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45061
Organization: Earth & Atmospheric Sciences, Purdue University


I know I'm joining the fray a bit late, but here goes:

I personally like using tabs, rather than trying to work everything
out by ear, because it's often the most efficient way for me as a
learning guitarist to figure out the chords and lead licks that
represent my favorite rock styles.  It would take me a great deal
longer to stumble on the most natural fingerings without the tabs,
even when I can easily figure out the individual *notes* by ear.  The
only alternative would be to pay someone for lessons, something which
I am loathe to do.  So for me, tabs are simply an instructional tool.
The more I learn from them, the more tunes I find I am able to work
out without tabs.  Also, once I have learned a certain lick verbatim,
I find that I naturally incorporate the basic building blocks of that
lick into my own personal improvisational style, using fingerings and
scales that would have never occurred to me if I had not first worked
through them in the context of trying to imitate someone else's lead.

             -------------------------------

Now for the real reason I'm posting:

There's a lot of requests for tabs in this newsgroup, and a lot of
people post tabs for others to use.  My question is, aren't there
standard commercial sources from which people can order tabs and sheet
music for guitar and other instruments for just about any individual
pop or rock tune?  If there are, why do some people seem so eager to
upload/download tabs for specific tunes over the net, etc.?  If there
aren't, why not?

I know that most music stores have tab collections corresponding to
specific albums and so forth, but I'm usually only interested in one
or two songs in any given collection AND I would often like more than
just the lead guitar part.

What do most nightclub bands do when they want to do a reasonably
accurate cover of the latest rock hit -- do they *really* work out all
the parts painstakingly by ear -- rhythm guitar, lead guitar,
keyboards, vocal harmonies, percussion, etc., or do they go to some
music distributor that specializes in professional-oriented sheet
music (incl. possibly tabs) for rock tunes?  If the latter exists, is
it extremely expensive?  Are there catalogs?
-- 
Grant W. Petty                                gpetty@rain.atms.purdue.edu
Assistant Prof. of Atmospheric Science        (317) 494-2544
Dept. of Earth & Atmospheric Sciences         Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own.
Purdue University, West Lafayette IN  47907-1397  
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: bill@verdix.com (William Spencer)
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar Pedal survey -HELP ME PLEASE!
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.143631.27958@athena.mit.edu> ebshen@athena.mit.edu (Eric B Shen) writes:
>[idea for acoustic guitar similator box]

>You know, not even the Eventide can do this. (thanks to Joe K.  :-)

I've been told the Digitech 33B can try. Some type of psuedo-sampled twelve
string thing. I can't verify that.

>BUT, as I said, that's not the point of the project.  I just wanted to get a
>vague idea of the interests of other people concerning this thing.  The arbitrary
>price I chose was to emulate the SansAmp.  It simulates amps, so mine simulates
>guitars.  Not a very educational decision, but good enough.

The SansAmp generates a transfer function, it doesn't synthesize from nothing.
Only if you change the guitar pickup -- piezo pickup probably --
is there a chance of creating an acoustic-like tone without sythesis methods.
It can work quite good in fact.

I considered an acoustic with a body resonance to the guitar one octave 
higher and generating the lowest resonances electronically.

Someone asked why use an acoustic with a pickup that doesn't sound truly
acoustic. Realize some people don't care about acoustic and electric, they
want "just a guitar" and acoustic comes closer, even improperly electrified.

Bill
From: lindell@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Paganini Caprice #24 - who's played it?SCDOWN
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:13:41 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <ohakuni.702929367@polaris>, ohakuni@polaris.utu.fi (Olli Hakuni) writes:
> Hi,
> somebody mentioned that some heavy metal guitarists have played Paganini's
> Caprice #24. I would like to hear it, so would someone please tell me who are 
> those guys and on what albums do they appear.
> Olli  

Well, at least the Great Kat (YUCK!) has recorded this one.
That was on her "Beethoven on speed"-album (although I seriously doubt if
that was the version you were after ;-).
The album also features some other classical tunes.

Lndl.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Mando Guitar
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  6 APR 92 09:38:21    


In article <1992Mar31.214742.13621@igor.tamri.com>, seann@igor.tamri.com (Sean Nelson) writes...
> 
>Has anyone ever run across one of these ?
>A MandoGuitar is essentially, if I understand it
>correctly, a 3/4 size solid body electric 12 string.
>I believe they were made by VOX in the late 60's.

This is correct.

> 
>It appears to to be tuned like  a guitar, rather than a mandolin.

It's tuned an octave high.

>I've seen David Lidley play one and was imnpressed by the
>unusual sound that it produced.
>Has anyone seen one for sale /know about prices /etc ?
> 

Ever since Lindley was pictured in some magazines using one, the prices shot
right up. After he came out praising Danelectros in the early eighties, the
prices on *those* about quadrupled! They are about the rarest VOX guitar of
all.  The limited utility kept prices low for a long time.  Check with a
vintage dealer if you really need one.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: The Pat Travers Band
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:18:35 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <DRAKE.92Apr2094600@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu>,
drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake) writes:
> Like I said, I haven't really looked for PT lately. Is Mars Cowling still
> in the band?

Yes, and his base playing is the most awesome plahing I've ever
seen for a heavy-rock style. Speaking about playing many strings
at the same time.

> I guess Aldridge was with Ozzy Osborne and Whitesnake for a while. Anyone
> know what he is up to?

I think he's still hitting the drums with Whitesnake. I purchased 'Slip of the
Tongue' for 6.99 last night. The Vai parts are interesting, but I expected
more of the fun-Vai heavy guitar playing, as on 'Eat 'em alive'.

Cheers,
Kent
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers)
Subject: Re: Looking for JT particulars
Organization: Cimtek
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:02:16 GMT

In article <9850@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> sarnold@bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold) writes:
>yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:
>
>> I read once in a magazine article that James often plays in "D" chord
>> forms capoed up to "E".  This explained difficulties I had emulating
>> his sound (I didn't think of a capo).  
>
>	Yeah, it's not often that JT DOESN'T use a capo. In fact, he has
>been known to (in the middle of a song and on the fly) rip the capo off
>to change keys. Pretty freakey.
>

In the Disney Channel's special, he switches keys ("Whenever I See Your
Smiling Face") and moves the capo up 2 frets.  He uses a capo with grips
so he can just grab it to disengage, move it and let go to start playing
again.  I saw something similar in the Musician's Friend catalog (thanks 
to the person who told me about the MF mail order house!), which is 
chock-full of savings-sucking neat toys. 

-- 

Mark Rogers  (rogersmf@eplrx7.es.dupont.com)

"Glider pilots keep it up longer with no props."
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: How do they get that sound?
Distribution: alt.guitar
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:56:05 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr10.220836.15996@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> gistim@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tim Raebig) writes:
>Does anyone happen to know how to get that ratchety, distorted sound
>
>that Ozzy uses for his voice at the beginning of Iron Man and that
> 
>Metalicca uses on ... And Justice and the new one?



ever run vocals through a distortion pedal?  i have
a Boss ME-5 that i use when i record.. for bass, guitar,
vocals, everything... you can get some fun stuff...

aash
-- 
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{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
aash@ukpr.uky.edu
From: u1471@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Leclerc Marco)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Comments about the Digitech GSP-21 PRO
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:01:45 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I'd like to have some comments about the GSP-21, good and bas points. I plan to buy one in may, so if you tried it, just tell me how you feel about it. And also, I'd like to know about products of the same level. Thanks

You can reply at u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca



Marco Leclerc
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: dana@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Carl Erickson)
Subject: Re: Wanted Dead or Alive
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.083015.19083@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
ua1cs110@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Geoff Inget) writes:
> Here is how I think Richie plays it, at least it's the way I do!
> 
> -----13---|---12---|---10---|---8---|---5---|---3---|-3---1-----
> ----------|--------|--------|-------|-------|-------|-----------
> ---14--14-|-12--12-|-10--10-|-9---9-|-6---6-|-4---4-|-4---2-----
> -0--------|0-------|0-------|0------|0------|0------|-0---------
> ----------|--------|--------|-------|-------|-------|-----------
> ----------|--------|--------|-------|-------|-------|-----------
> 
> Geoff Inget
> ua1cs110@troi.cc.rochester.edu
> -


He plays a C not a C# on the fifth bar.  It is also played on a 12-string  
so the notes on the E string will sound an octave lower.

Carl----dana@wam.umd.edu
From: yudof@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Seth A Yudof)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: More Crazy Train (was Re: Crazy Riff.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:29:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr13.143624.4432@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> ken@batman.austin.ibm.com (Ken Goach) writes:
>Whoops! I screwed up already! I posted:
>
>#E|-|
>#B|----------2---------5----------3---------X-----|
>#G|----------2---------4----------2---------X-----| 
>#D|----------2---------6----------4---------X-----|
>#A|---0--0-0-0--0-0-0--0--0-0-0-0-0--0-0-0--0-----|
>#E|--------------------------------------------3^-|
>#
>#            A         E          D         A
>
>
>That last A chord should be played like the first one
>(0-2-2-2 on the A, D, G, and B strings). Not just the
>A note! It won't sound as full!
>

Whoops! You didn't get it quite right this time, either.

This is how it goes

E|-----------------------------------------------|
B|----------5---------5----------3---------2-----|
G|----------6---------4----------2---------2-----| 
D|----------7---------6----------4---------2-----|
A|---0--0-0-0--0-0-0--0--0-0-0-0-0--0-0-0--0-----|
E|--------------------------------------------3^-|

            A         E          D         A

The first chord is an inversion of A major, not simply the open chord.

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From: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Suggestion for ftp archive
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr16.004354.8598
Reply-To: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

Sorry, I didn't save the address of the person in charge of the
ftp.nevada.edu archive, so I will broadcast this:

Many of the .tab files are not tablature at all.  Could those
extensions be changed to reflect the files' actual contents?

John Morton					University of California
jmorton@euler.berkeley.edu			Mechanical Engineering
{decvax,cbosgd}!ucbvax!euler!jmorton		Machine Shop
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: putz@studz.ndit.edu (Weasel, Shlong)
Subject: REQUEST : SRV's rendition of "Third STone From the Sun" (EL MOcambo)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Simpson's
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:34:00 GMT



I was wondering if anybody has the TAB to SRV's rendition of HEndrix's 
"Third Stone from the Sun" as played on the _Live from El Mocambo_ video.
   Tanks...
From: jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: nuts
Keywords: nuts
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:33:54 GMT

Dear recalcitrant netters,
     Can you tell me what you know about nuts.  I want to replace the
one I have.  Should I get a brass, a bone, or a graphite one?  What
are the differences, etc.

BTW, do gig bags protect your guitar.  They look flimsy.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: MUSIC AND TAXES? I DECLARE!!
From: greenspa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:10:56 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

howdy all again, here's a question that is good for today.

does anybody know anything about declaring oneself as a musician for tax
purposes? you know, buying equipment and getting the tax write off? (right
on!) someone once told me you're allowed to declare a business loss 3 out
of 5 years (then you're supposed to make a profit(!)) anyway, it seems
too perfect. So I would greatly appreciate any snippets of info re: this
subject and i'm purty sure their are lots of us amature/semi-pro starving
equipment dogs who would also be interested. How does one begin to declare
oneself a "musician"? :-)

oh, btw. I'm the guy who named his guitars...and it seems several others
do too. I received a bunch of mail from folks who i guess are kinda shy
about admitting it. (it's nice to know i'm not the only one).

Anyway, have a nice day and don't forget to file and feed the military-
industrial complex. :-( 
      
guitarfooly yours, thrashmaster rustafari aka russ
From: gordie@mcode.amdahl.com (Gordon Freedman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: 50 Best Guitar Albums Poll
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:31:59 GMT
Reply-To: gjf00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale Ca.

In article <1992Apr9.072704.4719@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v562f9vy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wolverine) writes:
> 
> 
> I am going to put together a list of the top 50 guitar albums of
> all time, and I need your input.  I want to know exactly what 50
> albums you would say had the most impact on the style of music
> that you play.  If you think 50 is too much, I will take a list
> of any size, but please do not exceed 50.  I will publish the
> results after I receive a reasonable amount of entries (50
> or so).  Thanks in advance for your co-operation.
> 
> 
>                                   Wolverine
> 
> 
> P.S.  my e-mail is <v562f9vy@ubvms.bitnet>
> Please mail to me instead of posting.  You may do both, but please
> send me a copy.


Jeff Beck "Blow By Blow"
Jeff Beck "Wired"
ZZ Top "Eliminator"
ZZ Top "Recycler"
Jimi Hendrix "Axis Bold As Love"
Led Zeppelin "House of the Holy"
Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon"
Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here"
Mahavishnu Orchestra "Birds Of Fire"
Van Halen (first Album)
XTC "Oranges and Lemons"
Genesis "Foxtrot" (if you've never heard this you've never heard Genesis)
Cream (the album with "White Room")
Deep Purple "Stormbringer"
Deep Purple "Machine Head"
Boston (first album) - sorry, before you laugh can you cover this?
Al Dimeola "Kiss my Axe"
Beatles "Abby Road"
2nd side of Todd Rundgren's "White Album" (1st side is covers)
Rush "Moving Pictures"
King Crimson "Red"
Danny Gatton "88 Elmira Street"
Stevie Ray Vaughan "In Step"

Notes:

I think Satriani is great technically and musically, but he always does too 
many fast/doodling/meaningless licks that ruin his music for me. Like we all
know how fast you can go, dude so please stop already .... I think he would
be one of the best if he'd just take a cold shower or something.

There are plenty of great guitar solos out there which don't really qualify
a whole album, but as long as we're talking guitar players:

	"Hotel California" off of Eagles "Hotel California" go Joe go
	Van Halen's guitar solo to Michael Jackson's "Beat It" (from "Thriller")
	Various Steve Lukather
	Various Steve Vai	
	Wes Montgomery "Sundown" off of "California Dreaming"
	Alan Holdsworth's solo to "Fred" off of Tony William's first album
	Various Joe Walsh
	Various Brian May (Queen)
	
Lots of stuff like Eddie Van Halen, Jimmy Page, etc. may be easy to cover
these days, but don't forget who was there first.

Yeah I'm an old guy :-)
-- 
Gordon Freedman: gjf00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com  -> Dis: DAT
The difference between theory and practise in practise is greater than
the difference between theory and practise in theory - someone else's sig
From: heonj00@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (JEAN-FRANCOIS HEON)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: request:metallica
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:29:44 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- DMI


	Hello, does anybody have the tabs for Enter Sandman? If so
I would like it very much if someone could send it to me. Thanks
in advance.
-- 
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*  Jeff Heon             * 'Justice may be blind, but it can see in the dark' *
*  heonj00@dmi.usher.ca  *                        The judge in Dark Justice   *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt)
Subject: Re: My 15 year Mistake (learning to play)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:22:07 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <11073@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

|> 
|> So here I sat, being able to hammer out lead guitar licks all day but
|> VERY little chord playing ability. I put together a home studio. Keyboards,
|> drum machine and all the asorted goodies so I could have someone to back
|> me up while I cranked the lead. This soon got to be boring and I realized 
|> I would have to learn to play rhythm guitar. I boxed up the studio and now
|> Im learning to play chords and pick some better songs out after 15+ years
|> of playing. Always having good rhythm players I didn't have to learn it
|> and none of them could match my lead work so it was a good mix.

Sounds like you were becoming unhappy because you hadn't developed
skills sometime during those 15 years.  However, its a mistake to think
that those years were wasted.  You are undervaluing the skill at lead
that you picked up at that time.  At the same time, if you find that
what you know is limiting your options, and that's making you unhappy,
then you should expand your skills until you are happy.

|> 
|> I now realize that learning little "flash bits" of lead guitar is ok around
|> the house but when you start to get serious about your music you must learn
|> to be a complete player, rhythm and lead. I feel like a idiot sometimes 
|> trying to pick out what most guitar players easy songs but it's starting to
|> get easier now. Im finaly starting to feel like a guitar player not just
|> a "lead guitarist".  So try to get in a band with "do you have a rhythm 
|> player ?" Someday I hope to start up another band but for now I still have
|> learning to do.

There seems to be some 'identity' stuff going on here...  'being' a
rythm or 'lead' guitarist...  Basically, you learn to do what you need
to to be happy.

|> 
|> The tabs people have posted have been a great help to me in learning
|> the rhythm parts of "many" songs. Thanks to all of you !
|> 
|> For beginers: Learn to walk before you learn to run. Lead solos don't
|> impress anyone without the rest of the band with you !


I don't think its an issue of walking or running; it is an issue of
expanding options...  Flexibility is a survival characteristic, and as
you noted, it increases your ability to fit in.


Dan

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cmurray@esk (Christopher John Murray)
Subject: Re: Sweaty fingers
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 12:08:34 GMT

     I wipe down my strings everytime I've finished with a guitar.  I find
that if I don't, my strings (which are the lightest gauge D'addarios you can
get) will go like the Impossible mission tape... (will self destruct in five
seconds)..  Wiping has extended the life of my strings three to four times
so I suggest Its a habit you get into.

     Has anyone got the Alice in Chains TAB????                    



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From: rutten@cs.utwente.nl (Walter Rutten)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: REQUEST: My Sharona by the Knack
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:56:43 GMT
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Originator: rutten@dinkel



Some friends of mine will try to cover the Knack's 'My Sharona' in the future.
That's why we want to know the exact lyrics, and perhaps some hints for playing it. Thanx in advance.

*Walter*
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott A. Yanoff)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel "In Your Eyes" Tidbit
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, WI
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:40:41 GMT


I posted In Your Eyes to the ftp site.

also, for you U2 fans, I sent some songs their, with more on the way.
-Scott
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From: phys174@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: tab: bryan and george
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:16:06 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

OK - There was enough interest for me to post George Thoroughgood,
and for the guy that wants Bryan Adams - I can give you a hand 
with that. I'll tab it out over the weekend and post/mail it
to all those that were interested.

p.s. No one has offered any help on the Crazy Little Thing Called
Love solo. Come on people - there must me someone out there who
knows something?!

John Laban
Dept of physics, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
email phys174@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
From: jgllgher@unix1.tcd.ie (Macdara Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ultra harmonix big muff
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:24:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

buffa@delos.inria.fr (Michel Buffa) writes:
> best fuzz/disto I ever tried. I'll never sell mine. Here is my pedal
> configuration, with it I can do all the noise I want in all the 60-80's style:

>      guitar -> boss super overdrive -> bigmuff -> cry baby -> ampli

I've always found that putting the cry baby at the start of the chain (
i.e. after the guitar ) best... I've found that putting effects before
it means that it has less effect on the tone ( I know this sounds wrong,
but? )

Any opinions?

Dara.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar