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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:01:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug20.183542.5428@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>Using the Braves for 20K, after turning down 2,300K because he wanted
>3,000K? 


I'm not sure you guys understnd baseball signing bonuses. He gets the
money up front(and 10/20 K is rumored, it might be more according to
baseball sources), without even having to play. In September he goes
to the Braves and goes through the instructional league(assuming he's
not playing football). If he signs in football, he keeps the Braves
money and doesn't have to report to play baseball(at least this is
how it was explained on the news last night), so he is taking no risk.
The Packers say it doesn't worry them because its not much money and 
he's not serious about baseball, but instead of sitting out for free,
he's sitting out and getting paid by the Braves without having to
play.

Yes he's 21, with limited baseball experience, but he's a hell of an
athlete and look what Deion is doing this year by finally concentrating
on baseball. If the Pack wants him, sign him , if not trade his rights
or they might just find themselves without him for a full year while
he plays baseball(which will most likely mean a new contract worth 
more money).

How can a guy be dumb for accepting money with little obligation when
he's currently not being paid by anyone? If he wants to play football,
he can, but he won't get paid till he signs.




Russ Smith
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>Well, he just demonstrated he has a 2 million dollar ego, cause that's
>what he turned down.
>
>I'm *SO* glad that the Packers took him instead of Vincent.
>
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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Other 49er stuff (was Re: Robbie Keen)
Date: 21 Aug 1992 08:08:22 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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In article <1992Aug21.021551.443@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Several far-flung 49er fans had asked about Robbie Keen's status this year.
>The 49ers had been looking at him to help with their woeful kicking game.
>Unfortunately, he was released on Tuesday. I remember him being an
>excellent kicker at Bezerkley (which irritated me no end, being a
>Stanford man myself), so I was surprised that he didn't catch on with the
>49ers. All I can say is that he must have kicked pretty poorly in practice
>if he couldn't even beat out Hatcher, Prokop, and Cofer.

>Bob Marshall                     

Yeah, he had at least two clutch field goals last year for Cal. I was
really hoping that Cofer would miss the FG against the 'Skins so
that they'd (hopefully) look for someone else (plus the superstition
thing) The one thing Cofer though has going for him is that 
he's a Candlestick veteran and that's probably why they'll stick with him.
What about that Blanchard guy who kicked 3 FG's of 40+ yards for
New Orleans the other day They could get him since obviously N.0. 
has that obscure European player Mortensen or whatever
(but then again maybe its the indoor astroturf).

In other news, apparently the Niners and Rice have come closer to
agreeing on terms. Montana claims he'll be throwing soon though
Seifert seems to be more cautious. Watters seems to be edging
closer to the no.1 spot and Dexter Carter might go on IR. Strangely
enough, the SF Chronicle also reports that David Whitmore is probably
going to get the starting strong safety job; I thought Thane Gash
looked better and had the inside track. Finally, SF Chron also reports that
Charles Haley will most likely miss the first game (against the Giants).

Ashu Rege
From: jacobson@arcturus.tmc.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:48:49 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <oeWGVMS00Uh7M2VUgL@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
>How about this one....
>
>Ken O'Brien to the Chargers?
>
>Todd

You can have him. :-)

But seriously, I was thinking about this the other day, but decided it
won`t happen.  The main reason is that the Jets need Kenny O this
year; he's the only qb they have with any real experience, and who
knows if Browning Nagle is ready to step up and be the starter?

Even if the Jets did want to trade him, they'd have to sign him first.
But like I said, I'd be *very* surprised to see the Jets even
entertain trading O'Brien, especially with the rate qb's are going
down lately. 
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Cowboys Radio Network
Organization: unify
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:40:39 GMT


I am new to the Sacramento area (from Texas) and I have to 
listen to my beloved Cowboys.  Does anyone know
if there is a radio station in Sacramento or nearby
that broadcast Cowboys games?   Does anyone know
of a sports bar that shows Cowboys games?

I'm Desparate!

Tim.


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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: BILLS NEWS: MOSTLY BAD NEWS
Originator: delarocq@c00065-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:19:55 GMT




 In the most recent pages of Shout! magazine, the following has taken place
 from last season (some is old news, but might be a suprise to some):


  1. The following players have left Buffalo for other NFL teams:
    
     Ray Bentley (Cincinnati)
     Butch Rolle (Phoenix)
     There is one more, but I can't think of his name. He's not a starter.
   
  2. We have acquired Steve Christie from Tampa Bay to replace Scott Norwood,
     who was released. He is ranked anywhere from #1 to #5 in most major
     sports publications.

  3. The loss of Leonard Smith due to a knee infection will hurt the Bills.
     It was his mental attitude that brought an extra dimension to the Bills
     (remember when we walloped K.C.? He was there in full fury. Even when we
     were losing, he was there.)

  4. CORNELIUS BENNETT AND KEITH MCKELLAR STILL HAVE NOT SIGNED. If Bennett
     and McKellar do not sign, the Bills will NOT go to the Super Bowl. I
     don't see how you can't sign one of the top backs in the games, and one
     of the top 10 tight ends in the game and still win 13 games! 

  5. BRUCE IS BACK FOR THIS SEASON. Bruce Smith is back to reclaim the sack 
     title. His knee is 95% recovered, and he is ready to roll!

  
  My two cents worth:


  1. TRADE OR RELEASE GALE GILBERT. The poor guy has been third string for
     all of his years at Buffalo. He is itching to go, anyway.

  2. SIGN BENNETT AND MCKELLAR!!!!!!!! (reasons stated above)

  3. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REGULAR SEASON TO START!



  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
  








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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:07:09 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>Looks like a terrific quarterback controversy is brewing. Do the 49ers
>go with a gimpy, rusty Montana? Or do they go with the athletic and
>talented Young, who looks great but fails to put points on the board?
>Or do they go with the fans' choice, Steve Bono, who simply gets the
>job done one way or the other? 

Several posts have noted how Bono scored and Young didn't, totally ignoring
the fact that Young played against a solid starting defense and Bono
played against the wannabe's.   The Redskin starters have not allowed
a point in all of preseason, but thanks to poor second half performances
by the wannabe's we've lost every preseason game.  You might want to
keep this in mind while evaluating QB's.

				me
From: netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:39:30 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

|>>Some Christian players are/were:  Jeff Hostetler
|>>                                  Mike Singletary
|>>                                  Roger Staubach
|>Former Seahawk Steve Largent; he's also very active in Young Life in Tulsa.
|>also, Joe Gibbs. (OK, he's a coach, I admit it.)
|>-- 
|There are several Redskins who would be considered "Christian"
|players.  Art Monk comes to mind immediately.  And Darrell Green.  
From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni)
Don't leave out the Minister Of Defense Reggie White!!!!
From: mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Browns release Mike Baab - 8/18
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:34:44 EST

Late breaking news from Monday Aug 17th,

Mike Baab was released by the Browns. Bill Belichick said Mike was a hard 
worker, but the Browns have a need to go in another direction. Mike in
a released statement said, "He thanks the Browns fans, and hopes to 
catch on with a team that plays the Browns."


[This is somewhat surprising, but again not so. Belichick had brought in
a lot of people (ie Chris Thome, Lance Zeno, the Bob Dahl experiment)
and must have felt that they are better in the long run than Mike Baab.
Chris Thome is expected to get the starting role. Chris was drafted by the
Vikings a couple of years ago. He was released last year and picked up by
the Browns. On Mike Baab, he never was a great center, but he proved to
be adequate. He was definitely past his prime, and was getting
beaten quite a bit late in the year. Belichick realizes this team needs
to have youth, since the team is a couple of years away from contending.
That's the reason Brian Brennen was released also. Let the young guys
get some experience and in a couple of years, hopefully, rewards will come.

IMHO. ]

Also John Bosa, the former Dolphin, decided to hang 'em up. His knees were
not holding up well enough for him to continue. John had missed last year
due to surgery, and was hoping to make a comeback.


The next scheduled post is for this Friday, Aug 21

Don Mocnik

GOOO-O-O-O-O-O BROWNS!!!!!!
From: tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:13:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Andre Ware, Detroit (for now).
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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bills/skins
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:03:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <BsyMss.8qM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt) writes:

>
>	Even points allowed is not the whole story.  Possession time is
>virtually meaningless.  The Bills gave opponents more opportunites to score.
>On the average, one or two extra possessions a game.  Give an offense more
>opportunities, and it will score more points.

Right.  Your statement here contradicts what you say below, however,
where you say that extra possessions do not necessarily translate as
more points.

>
>>If the offensive strategy is one that puts the defense on the field a
>>great part of the game, then I think that's an erroneous strategy.
>>()(Yeah, yeah, I know--armchair coaching, but that's what this group
>>is all about.)
>
>	This is erroneous.  There is one and only one purpose for the offense.
>That is to score points.  Whatever maximizes the number of points scored by the
>offense is what should be used ( without breaking or taking unfair advantage of
>the rules. )  The points scored per possession is how I would judge offensive
>effectiveness.
>

Ummm, major differences in offensive thinking between you and me.
I'll stick with the idea that a good defense is a good offense.  Later
you say that ball control is only a late-game concern.  I
wholeheartedly disagree.  Several superbowl winners instantiate my
idea of a full-game ball-control offense--S.F., Giants, Bears,
Cowboys, Miami.

Teams that I consider lacking a  priority on ball control are Houston,
Cincinnati, Buffalo, Atlanta, and Detroit (to some degree).

Ball control offenses are somewhat conservative; hence, they wouldn't
be prone to making the sort of mistakes you would think.

Again, I like Buffalo (though I'm not really a fan), and I think they
have a good team.  But look at their two Superbowl appearances.
Against the Giants, I really don't think they played for possession
very well.

>>I think football is ball control--a very basic idea, I know.  But
>>these high powered offenses, while exciting and talented, seem to
>>forget this basic idea.  They aim more at scoring than controlling.
>>Look at Houston--a very talented team for the last five years, but
>>where have they have gone?
>
>	Scoring is the only purpose for an offense.  The more plays you run,
>the more you run the risk of failure.  You need to move the ball as efficiently

An offensive cynic!  Yeah, statistically that may be somewhat true,
but how significant that difference is questionable.  


Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins News - 8/14/92
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:05:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.23662
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Rypien:
Mark Rypien's first practice was in a steady rain, on a field with almost 
no footing.  But it's a start, and the Washington Redskins are glad 
to have him back.

His teammates gave him a standing ovation when he walked into a meeting 
room Thursday morning, their way of letting him know they'd read about 
his $3 million-a-year contract.

Rypien will start against the 49ers this Sunday.  In an unusual arrangement, 
The Redskins and the 49ers practiced Thursday, and will do again Friday 
before playing against each other on Sunday.

Sightseeing:
There was a minimal sightseeing on Wednesday as the Redskins got over 
the jet lag.  Several players got tickets to see "Phantom of the Opera" 
Thursday afternoon.  Charles Mann and Fred Stokes and their wives saw 
"Miss Saigon" Wednesday, after watching the British hit "Five Guys Named 
Mo" on Tuesday. Jason Buck and his dad, Sid, headed for Brighton after 
trips to Buckingham Palace on Tuesday.  Charley Casserly, an history 
buff, left the hotel Thursday in search of Churchill's  war cabinet 
room.  A lot of the Redskins walked 12 blocks between the hotel and 
Harrods.  Coach Joe Gibbs also was looking for the tickets for "Phantom 
of the Opera," but he seemed to be having more fun in his afternoon 
runs through Hyde Park.


Source: The Washington Post, August 14, 1992

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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: 12 Best Teams (was Re: Predictions)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.192108.12549@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>                                                   In the NFC, eight
>deserving teams (Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington, Chicago, Detroit,
>Atlanta, New Oreleans, and San Francisco) will compete for six spots.
>
I agree.  And since there are only four teams in the AFC that are of
championship caliber (Buffalo, Miami, Houston, and Denver), it seems
unfair that two quality NFC teams will not make the playoffs while
two "good but not good enough" AFC teams will be in the playoffs 
(i.e. NY Jets, KC Chiefs, or LA Raiders).   It would have been
nice if the two "new" wildcard positions installed last year would have
gone to the two teams with the best records regardless of their conference.

Thad Crews
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From: eddie@acpy01.att.com (Eddie Adamko (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Re: Dolphins/Cowboys results
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.195851.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:
>Someone mentioned about Jim "Crash" Jensen. I want to see this point through-
>quite enough to reach to the Super Bowl level. In cutting Jim, they will have
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When did this happen?????


Eddie


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From: pape@miller.cs.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Originator: pape@miller.cs.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:09:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.003044.28429@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>
>>I think there's more to it than this.  He's been complaining of 
>A couple days ago the "Columbus Dispatch" reported that Mandarich had
>
>How bad did the Pack look?
>-- 

Pretty poor. Little sign of offense and not much more defense. The off line
looked horrible against the Jets. Majik and Farve were scrambling all day.
The Pack really needs to get Moran and Ruttgers in camp. And getting Tony
to play wouldn't hurt either.

I recall the defense getting walked over when the 1st string teams were in.
The only highlight was when Lewis Billups picked off a horrible pass from 
Nagle for a TD.

All in all, they looked about as bad as they used to about 4 or 5 years ago.
I'm preparing myself for a loooooooong season......... 

>"Take out the work 'Quayle' and insert the word 'Bush' wherever it
>appears, and that's the crap I took for eight years.  Wimp.
>Sycophant.  Lap dog.  Poop.  Lightweight.  Boob.  Squirrel.  Asshole.
>George Bush."        -- George Herbert Walker Bush.


Patrick Pape
pape@mille.cs.uwm.edu
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:47:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug14.144740.25428
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <MeWkHBW00WDKM8rnFe@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> >
|> be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
|> think the worst is?
|> >
|> 
|> personally, I think the "immediate spike" to stop the clock is a shitty
|> rule. Sure you lose a down but so what!? teams in the past have managed
|> to make the play, there's no reason why teams nowadays should get that
|> added bonus...
|> 

It's NOT a bonus. Actually, it's a penalty. The "spike" is ruled as
"intentional grounding", and a yardage penalty (5 I think) is assessed.
It`s actually a concession to stop the clock. That way, if the QB needs 
a huddle to get his line in gear, he doesn't run the clock while doing it.

|> also, I think they should change the rules so that if the 2:00 warning
|> has passed, then a play MUST be run--no kneeling. A kneel should result
|> in loss of down--that is, if you kneel on first down, the next down is
|> third. If you kneel on second down, the next down is fourth. If you
|> kneel on third down, the ball changes possession for the next down. If
|> there's one thing I hate about a game is watching them kneel at the end
|> to protect a 1-7 point lead....
|> 

There`s one thing I hate more. Watching my team, with a 1 - 7 pt. lead,
NOT down the ball with 30 secs left. Instead they either run the ball ,
and fumble, or they pass, and throw an interception, allowing the other
team a touchdown for the win. Remember, their job is to win, and if they run
out the clock to do it, then they should. Actually, it is the same effect 
as if they did a running play, and then the RB gets tackled (or throws
himself down) at the line of scrimmage. In either case, the clock keeps
running, and if the other team has no TO's, then the game's over.

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud of it!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: EAGLES News
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:48:17 GMT


Haven't seen any Eagles postings lately so I figured I'd post
the happenings of the past week.

Jim McMahon is signed and in camp.  Second-year QB Brad Goebel
was traded to Cleveland for future considerations.  That leaves
Jeff Kemp and David Archer to fight for the third string job.
Rookie Casey Weldon will be the Eagles #4 QB this year.

The Birds also signed LB Byron Evans, WR Calvin Williams, and
PK Roger Ruzek.  That leaves TE Keith Jackson as the only
unsigned offensive starter.  On defense, the Eagles are still
without the services of All-Pro CB Eric Allen, and S Andre
Waters.

Waters has been outspoken about his contract dispute with the
Eagles and has asked to be traded.  The rumor is that Dallas
is very interested in Waters.  Expect a Waters for Noonan deal
very shortly.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
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Allentown, PA  18103
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