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From: louiset@informix.com (Louise Twiggs)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: winter garden questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:53:48 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <9880043@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> duanej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Duane Jacobson) writes:
>
>I'm in the process of planning a winter garden.  What are your favorite
>evergreens, or other plants that exhibit some interesting feature during
>the cold months?  Nothing too big, as the area I have in mind is only
>about 20' by 20'.  Extra credit for drought-tolerant species.
>
>Here's my list of possibilities so far.  Comments on these and any other
>potential species are appreciated.  I'm expecially looking for suggestions
>on the grasses and junipers.  I intentionally left out rhododendrons, since
>the soil here is quite alkaline.
>
>English ivy
>Pyracantha
>Moonglow juniper (a bluish upright)
>Sarcoxie Wintercreeper (Euonymous)
>Yucca species (glauca, other suggestions??)
>Dwarf Mugo Pine
>Mahonia (Oregon Grape, etc)
>Ornamental Grasses (Blue Avens, other suggestions??)
>Evergreen viburnums (suggestions?)
>Hawthorne species (looking for smaller varieties with thorns and fruit
>                   persisting into the winter)
>
>--
>Duane Jacobson
>Ft Collins, Co
>USDA Zone 5


I cannot right at this moment think of the name of the plant I'm about
to describe, but I am sure someone else will know the name.  The plants
I am thinking of are fairly unimpressive small bushes (2-3.5') 
for most of the year and are used extensively by commercial landscape 
gardeners (here in the UK) as they are hardy, grow to a reasonble size, 
and can survive most soil types and conditions.  Apart from these qualities 
(which makes them suitable for covering large areas around office blocks) 
their special quality is that they have bright orange/yellow or deep red 
woody stems which when planted in or with evergreens look especially good 
in winter.


Does anyone know the plant I am describing.  They are _very_ common here
in the UK - but I don't know about abroad.

Louise Twiggs
Informix Software Ltd
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: kyoder@vines.colostate.edu (Ken Yoder)
Subject: raised garden on leach lines
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:54:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

A thread has been started on rec.rural that concerns the desirability of 
putting raised bed gardens on existing leach lines.  The best area on my 
property would also be on existing leach lines so I thought I would post to 
this group to get opinions on this.

I am used to using raised beds and want to continue in our new location.  I 
had thought you were not supposed to raise anything for human consumption 
on, or near, leach fields or lines.  Is this true??  In a raised bed 
situation, would shallow rooted plants be safe?  Etc.

Any information on how to make it work or if I should even try would be 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Ken Yoder
kyoder@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: Bob Klebba <nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Using fresh chicken manure
Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:23:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.184652.24517@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Steve DiPirro,
dipirro@star.dec.com writes:
>I got my hands on a little fresh chicken manure...about
>3/4 of a ton to be exact (I have a large garden), although right
>now it's a bunch of big, frozen blocks (poopsicles) sitting out
>by my garage. I've never used fresh chicken manure, and knowing
>how "hot" it is, I'm a little paranoid about applying it.

I would be paranoid too!  I've applied fresh horse manure and fresh cow
manure directly before and have had problems with its composting in the
soil.  The composting locks up a lot of nitrogen and will stunt plant
growth.  I would not compost the chicken manure in the garden soil.  I
would keep it in smaller piles and turn it every other week to accelerate
the composting.

Another way to use the unfrozen poopsicles might be as top dressing.  You
won't get rapid composting of the material on the surface of the soil and
you will lose quite a bit of the nitrogen to evaporation, but at least
you will be able to get rid of the 3/4 ton more quickly.  I used to use
lake weeds (algae) this way.  They were delivered in 10 cu. yd. units and
would stink tremendously if allowed to compost.  I just spread them
anywhere I could in my garden, the lake weeds dried out and at the end of
the season I tilled the remains into the soil.

Bob Klebba
Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4
Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu
"Feed the soil, not the plant"
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: jareed@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Judith Ann Reed)
Subject: Re: Color Combinations and P
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:40:55 EST

I agree with the poster from michigan who said what a wonderful thing this
is to think about right now - the snow is flying past our windows, 3-6"
expected today here in Central N.Y.!! I have sent for seed catalogs from new
and/or interesting seedsmen, and am having them sent to my work, so that I'll
get nice surprises at mid-day to pore over during lunch!

>>What color combinations do you guys like in your yards

 Our house is gray, so I'm going with pinks, blues and lavenders next to it
in an enclosed annual bed. Out front is an herb garden, lots of blues,
yellow, white, pink, grayish green foliage. My main flower bed is next
to the house next door, though, which is brown and yellow, so I'm trying
to make it bright - blues, reds, purples, oranges. I started with a "Texas
Scarlet flowering Quince" as a centerpiece, crimson flowers mid summer and 
orangey quinces later. Last year, added cornflowers, which hopefully will
reseed, nice rich blue. The Four-o-clocks reseed reliably, in yellow and 
fuschia, a bit jarring but fun, and the liatris shoots up purple spikes.
This year I want to add butterfly plant, for that wonderful orange, and 
Bergamot for the red. Also, lots of bright tulips and hyacinths in the spring,
and pansies in various colors all summer. I'm finding it's hard to find 
perennials in primary colors, though - so many tend to the pastel range. 
Anyone have any favorite perennial flowers or very low growing shrubs 
in primary colors? Also, can't forget the potentilla in yellow and orange! 

>>And do a lot of you grow from seed, or cruise the nurseries
>>and KMart trusting them to have what you want?
>
Poring over the seed and nursery catalogs is so much more fun, lingering,
drawing up lists, changing your mind, redrawing the lists, finally sending
them out, waiting anxiously for the mail, opening it like presents when it
gets here, nurturing those stubborn (sometimes) little seedlings and young
bare-root plants - it makes it all so much more interesting than just goint
and buying beautiful established plants - far too easy for us grizzled 
 northerners!!!!!

Judith Reed
jareed@mailbox.syr.edu
From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Granny Smith
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:54:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lily.8XL1XB9w165w


The Canby (Northwestern Oregon) Farm Store has semi-dwarf
Granny Smith trees cheap.

Is there something terribly tricky about these, or am I
remembering a rumor about something else?

--Suzii.
palepink@lily.arts.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: clarke@acheron.UUCP (Ed Clarke/10240000)
Subject: Books (Hortica), Book Clubs
Keywords: Gasp
Reply-To: clarke@acheron.UUCP
Organization: Ciliophora Associates
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:05:19 GMT

There have been several mentions of the book "Hortica" in this group.  Last
Saturday I found a copy in my local Barnes and Nobel ... it's a little more
expensive than I was prepared for: $250 (US).   Has anyone seen this in a
"Garden Book Club" type of offering?

Is it worth joining these clubs?  I'm spending a bundle on garden/hort
type books.

Ed Clarke
clarke@acheron.uucp
From: boldtp@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (If ya think long, you'll think wrong.)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Wall-o-Water (for tomatoes)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:02 EST

In article <psmith.726343485@cunews>, psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
> Wall-O-Water, Kozy Coats ... call them what you will.  I'm curious
> about these tomato plant outdoor wraps that are filled with water in
> order to allow earlier transplanting, and faster yield.
> 
> Have people had good experiences with them.  In particular:
> 
> 1) how much earlier did you get a yield
> 
> 2) any precautions
> 
> 3) what else are they used on (eg: peppers, early melons, ...)
> 
> Thanks in advance

I have used Wall-O-Water in Northern Colorado ( dry, sunny, wide temp. swings )
and in NorthEast Ohio ( wet, cloudy, narrow temp. movement ).  The Wall-o-water
worked VERY WELL in Colorado, and was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME in Ohio.  In fact,
I think it actually slowed things down in Ohio, because when the weather
finally did warm up, the cold water in the Wall-O-Water kept the plant cold.

On the other hand in sunny, dry Colorado, temperatures may be 70 F during the
day, and drop very briefly to 25 F at night.  Or a 75 F day may be followed
by a day with 4-6 inches of snow, which is in turn followed by a 75 F day.

Something to think about before you buy a bunch of them.  Oh they're not very
easy to fill either.  I saw someone put a tube or 5 gallon pale in the middle
while they filled it, that would probably make it somewhat easier.
From: major@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Sunflower seed and siskins!
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:01:58 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <8853.5072@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
> I've been having to make sprouted-sunflower compost out of the
> regular birdseed in my feeders, since the birds toss out the
> milo and striped sunflower seeds, going for the millet and
> black-oil sunflower.  Since the downspout drains nearby, the
> feeder waste was getting to be a problem.  So, to solve this
> (as well as the shells all over), I ordered some sunflower
> heart chips from Duncraft.
> 
	Ah, the downfall of feeding mixed seed.  Yes, most 
	birds (like most of us?) will pick through the bad
	stuff to get to the good stuff.  Milo is basically
	worthless filler; birds will eat it after everything
	else is gone.  Black-oil sunflower seeds are preferred
	by more species than any other seed that I know.
	I suggest multiple feeders each with its own kind of
	seed.  Sunflower heart chips are expensive, but such
	a flock of first time siskins is probably well worth 
	the extra expense.

> Wonderful stuff---no more sunflowers coming up all over the
> garden.  And I found out an added bonus---it attracts pine
> siskins!
> 
> We had been getting the usual bunch of house and Cassin's
> finches, a few crossbills, a whole flock of mourning doves,
> but the gourmet chow lured in a whole flock of very hungry
> pine siskins.  Siskins are similar to lesser goldfinch,
> brown-streaked with gold on wings and tail.  
 . . . 
> Sometimes I wonder if I'm indirectly fertilizing the
> garden---guess what birds do, right after they eat!

	This "fertilizer" should be raked up and removed; it
	can be very harmful to your feathered friends if it
	is allowed to accumulate.
> --
>   Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
> 
	--John  [major@uwec.edu]
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: U.S. study links safety to higher speed limits
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
]Just to plug one of the few non-moto, non-computer magazines I read monthly,
]I find that CAR&DRIVER is a good source of general information of this
]ilk.

I thought the correct term was Cage & Dozer...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine.
Originator: kevinh@achernar
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:36:39 GMT


In article <1jmb4aINNsb9@uk-news.uk.sun.com>, rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier) writes:
|> In article 1tE@fulcrum.co.uk,  rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
|> >
|> >Example:
|> >How many people regularly top 120 mph?		Very few indeed.
|> >How many bikes can exceed 120 mph?		Most 250cc +.
|> >
|> 
|> Me.
|> Mine.
|> 
|> The squid test for Brummies is whether you have circumnavigated Birmingham
|> by motorway in under half an hour (It's over fifty miles).
|> Tee shirts and trainers are optional.

And what is it for Londoners around the M25 ?? :-). I seem to remember 
that there used to be a race around it every year (ala Cannonball), an
XJS held the record at that time (as in the real Cannonball).

Incidentally, does anybody know if there are Gatso's around the M25, 
i'm sure I saw something like a radar unit on a bridge last time I 
was home - not that I was bothered, having a car with non-british 
plates :-) :-).

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:30:46 GMT
	<DCAMPBEL.93Jan20151908@timshel.austin.ibm.com>
	<1993Jan22.151735.9353@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan22.151735.9353@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
>In the referenced article, dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com, I write:
>>
>>In article <1993Jan20.154406.4372@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
>>>p.s. these two GSX-Rs has 'USA' plates on them.  Sorry, Americans, your
>>>reputations have been seriously tarnished by these guys!
>>
>>OH MY GOD!  What will I do now?!?!  Some guy named Stickland in England
>>doesn't think much of us Americans because two of us don't ride fast
>>enough!  Oh Calamity!
>>
>>David.
>
>Well, you get the award for total miscomprehension of that post.
>
>Let's summarise:
>
>  [ much condescending verbage deleted ]

You made a facetious comment.  I replied with a facetious comment.
Looks like I understood your post just fine; perhaps you didn't
understand mine so well.  Save the patronizing schoolmarm chatter
for somebody who might be impressed by it.

David.
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| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: About that Harley/Vincent bike...
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:34:31 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Does anyone remember that guy who was selling a kit to turn a Harley into a
Black Shadow look-a-like? I've been developing this strange hankering for a
'52 Black Lightning, but would settle for the address of the guy who can
make a Harley look like one....

Nathaniel
ZX-10
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Diet Coke, Official drink of DoD
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:54:29 GMT
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <C1FH58.6L0@inews.Intel.COM>, by rbodepud@sedona.intel.com (Ramana Bodepude):
> 
> 
> I hereby nominate "DIET COKE" as the official drink of the DoD
> for their cool advt. which shows a caption saying
> 
> 	"Insurance agents who speed"
> 
> and shows two guys racing on sport bikes (Not HD's) and we can hear 
> the slogan "taste it all" playing in the background.
>
Well I've been putting Diet Coke in the tank for ages now and it's
actually increased performance, decreased wear on the engine,
increased fuel economy AND reduced all those poisonous gasses that
come out of the exhaust.

As for drinking it......


Antony.
DoD#1832. 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Diet Coke, Official drink of DoD?!?
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:48:11 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <1993Jan26.102834.27173@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>Hey, wait a minute! This is a diverse world-wide group of many nations,
>many personalities, many races, creeds, colors, and sexual perversions!
>To limit ourselves to a single beverage for all: "a nice pint of stout"
>would be a travesty! Think of the power of diversity, man!
>
>I, for example, would rather have a nice pint of porter. Well, stout
>would do nicely, of course. Or a good Scottish ale. Or....

Ok, now we're talking.  I know, well kill two birds with one stone.
All of us North American DoD'er will fly across the pond, and conduct
our UK vs. US health system flame war in person, over several nice pints.

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Are BMWs form or function?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:37:56 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <C12qEB.63v@inform.co.nz> dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.164725.17629@triage.UUCP>, chris@triage.UUCP (Groucho) writes:
>> BMW = Bavarian Motorcycles for Whimps
>> 
>BMW = Break my Windshield

Someone in rec.music.reggae was talking about BMW...took me a while to 
figure out he meant Bob Marley & the Wailers.





-- 
Ray Shea                                      
UniSQL, Inc.                             Sometimes I feel like a blue dog.
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                                     -- The Blue Dog
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Spagthorpe Hindenburg
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:56:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.012722.29379@elektro.cmhnet.org> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>
>Picky, picky, picky.    Besides, you should have noted that it's
>pronounced "beemer", not "bummer".   Further besides, what he *really* meant
>was that it would be *real* bad (and it certainly would be!) to be stuck in
>a torrential downpour at a non-existant border!   Tell me that wouldn't be
>bad <??>    (sound of twilight zone music)
>

Alright, I'll go along with that.  Now, if it was sunny at this non-existant
border, and the road was twisty, well that would be something else.  Of 
course, I'd need to find a non-existant gas station but...

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '92 VFR750F           |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Diet Coke, Official drink of DoD 
Distribution: world
Organization: Not much.
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:37:11 +0000


In article <1993Jan26.223331.12058@clark.dgim.doc.ca> young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca writes:

>In article 728080355@soliton, thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:

>> I can tell you right now on which side of the pond the better beer is made.
>>
>> And, unfortunately, it ain't the side I'm currently on...
>
>Hey, speak for your *own* part of North America.
>
>Not all DoD'ers on this side of the pond drink Bud or Miller you know.
>Some of us guzzle an occasional frosty Upper Canada Lager or a Mooshead
>or a Bra d'Or or...

Not even comparable! That's not to say that they don't brew decent beer in 
the USA, just not _much_. The San Francisco Anchor 'Steam' Beer is quite 
good, although generally served too fizzy. There is a _magnificent_ bottled 
beer brewed in Cambridge MD, called 'Wild Goose', and the 'Brooklyn Lager' 
isn't too dusty either. However one swallow does not make a summer and _in 
general_ American beer is far, far inferior to anything the UK can offer. 

That also is not to say that we can't produce rubbish. Watneys Red Barrel for 
example. We're also in danger of being swamped by imitations of foreign brews 
which are, if anything, worse than the original, if that's possible. An 
example that comes to mind is the 'brewed under licence' Miller Lite. It's 
not even fit for washing out carburetters.

Tony


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Courier bag:  Do you have one?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:01:38 GMT

In article <llrpafINNkp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> fussy@hairball.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
}I have been thinking about replacing my trusty Marsee magnetic tank briefcase
}with a courier bag.  By courier bag I mean a largish portfolio looking thing
}with a long strap for slinging over the shoulder.  Aerostich makes one of these
}as do some other companies.  Before I invest my money, I thought I'd try and
}get a few questions answered from any of you that use one:
}
}1)  Are they prone to buffeting in the wind on the highway?
}2)  Are they comfortable?  Do you forget you have it on?

For a cheap solution, check your local surplus store. In particular,
look at parachute bags (really portfolios designed to be carried by
parachutists). The large flap usually only attaches at one point,
but a bit of Velcro on either side will keep the flap from blowing
in the wind.

As for the problem with a single-strap bag sliding down beside you
when riding leaned over, just attach a "safety strap" of some sort
to the flap closure and hook the other end to your belt loop on
the opposite side from the natural lean of the bag. Then it ain't
going anywhere, yet is easy to get on and off.
	       
Hell, those parachute bags even have elastic cloth bullet racks like
a hunting vest for those irritating cager-induced moments....
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to get a license?
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:49:24 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <_7p3cj@rpi.edu> kensib@rpi.edu writes:
>	Aside from the obvious like going to the DMV and getting a permit, how would I go about getting a motorcycle license in New York State?  How should I learn the "proper" way to ride on-road?  What kind of bike would be good for a beginner?
>						Thanks,
>						   Brian

Next think you know, he will want a DoD #; or worse, he'll ask what it is <!!>

Charlie Smith ................................................................. Unlicensed, uh ... maybe.                                                       Never mind!                                                                                                                                                     M'Squid