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From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Re: Muslim Minority in Greece!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:30:49 GMT

In article <1567@vall.dsv.su.se> hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>The muslim minority in Greece
>aren't allowed to rebuild their
>houses when they are to fell apart.
>They must move or buy a new house.

Whoever told you this was pulling your leg. (in other words: he was lying).

>Can somebody answer why Greece has these kind
>of laws?

Anyone who believes the person who told you this is naive.

>I thougt the word democracy came from Greece.

Whoever told you this was right.

>hilmi eren
>computer and systems science
>stockholm universty, sweden
>hilmi@dsv.su.se

regards,

Serafim.
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From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: mutlu-MALAK has yiest infection????
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:02:21 GMT

Mutlupolis -- The National Mutluliar  Volume FUKMUTLU IIV
 
Unidentified sources reported yesterday Mutlarch 42(mutlupolis
residents have their own calendar), that the Secretary of Lies
Mutlu-malak ole III has entered Devils Soul Hospital in Southern
Kapadokia, sufferring strong pains and unbearable odor coming
from his wider corass area....
 
Walking like a Pelican and wearing a t-shirt with the saga
'I cant believe Gav*o would do such a thing to me', mutlu-malak
entered the emergency room, action that caused half of the medical
personnel -- the ones without masks, as well as almost all of the
technical personnel to evacuate not just the room but the whole
hospital.
 
Tripple-masked surgeons after quicky diagnosed the problem as
severe case of yiest infection, worked on mutlu-malak's corass for
over 6 hours, and were finally able to remove the gigantic
(cucumber size) and slowly disintegrating jalapenno pepper
that had so tighly been inserted in mutlu-malak's volfa(!)
and was so stubbornly refusing to detach and exit.
 
The excausted surgical personnel were finally able to declare
mutlu-malak in stable condition(the biggest lie of all....)
 
Interviewd afterwards by fully equipped and action-ready members
of the antitoxic team(SCG=Sulfur, Carbon and Gav*o, they all
burn), mutlu-malak stated that he is very dissappointed by the
removal of the jalapenno pepper, as it might have hurt him in the
beginning, but was providing him with tons of ekstasis later.
 
mutlu-Malak declined to answer questions as to how the huge
jalapenno pepper was found so deep inside him, but turned green
when someone informed him that some maniac 'contractor' named
Gav*o is coming to pay him a 'respectful' visit...
 
Reporting from mutlupolis,
 
 
Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
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From: 89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: " Akousate ... Akousate"
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:22:30 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales


	Pe akoute ena wraio. *umaste auto to zwo prin kati ebdomades pou
egrapse gia thn Makedonia kai oti oi meres twn Ellhnwn einai metrimenes kai
tetia. Loipon prwtoselido a8ro ston Ellhniko kurika anaferotan se auto. (einai
mia efhmerida pou bgenei edw sto Sydney sthn Australia)

Leei : "SKOPIANOI APEILOUN" Liges oi meres twn Ellhnwn sth MAkedonia !!!!
Leei oti upografetai apo to VMR kai oti to ekanan publish eite ka8hgiths h
ma8hrths tou Newcastle !!! Karafliasa, Na kai ena posting pou egine
prwtoselido.
	Gwergios T.
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Date: 08 Apr 92 07:44 PDT
Subject: Re: GREECE: HARASSMENT AGAINST TURKISH 
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr7.152010.3506@cns.umist.a:-1561192677:cdp:1473100042:000:101
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Apr  8 07:44:00 1992


This posting has been altered. The original news agency was
Inter Press Service - not Hinter Press. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: filippou@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU)
Subject: Re: SORRY FOLKS
Originator: filippou@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:07:08 GMT

Labros Skartsis (ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu) in a posting 
<1992Apr16.155635.11357@wuche2.wustl.edu> refers to a previous posting
by Spiros Gavrilakis <1992Apr16.095853@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>:

>Slightly different subject: greeks' critisism of Greece.
>                            ---------------------------

>I happened to follow Spiros Gavrilakis' postings (which consistently
>again and again, try to exhibit how screwed-up Greece 
>is in its economy, EC relations, etc.)
>and I understand that several greeks got quite irritated by his style
>and - apparently - insulted him in e-mail.

 [stuff deleted...]

>Maybe it doesn't show here, in the newsnet, but a favorite pasttime of
>many greeks is to critisize (apparently, more so when they are among 
>other greeks) their homeland, more harshly and cynically 
>that you cam imagine.

 [stuff deleted...]

>Regards,
>L. Skartsis

[I apologize *folks*, but I'm going to write hereafter in Greek,
since this is *about* Greeks...]

I parapanw istoria tou Spirou Gavrilaki kai to minima tou Lamprou
Skartsi mou thimizoun ti mizeria tis Ellinikis aristeris parataxis
(apo sosialodimokrates, Pasokososialistes, koumounistes, ews tous ...
trotsikistes). Mia zwi parapona, gkrinia, allilomahairwmata,
diktatoriskoi, grammateis kai farisaioi. Mia zwi na vrizmoune (-me)
to Metaxa, ti Freideriki, tous Aprilianous, tous Dexious en genei...
Kai to apotelesma ti; Apantisi: <<Sinedriazoume, dinoume sinentefxeis
kai, genika, askoume ``epoikodomitiki'' [panta!] kritiki sta lathi
tou parelthontos [an itan dika mas!] 'i kai se lathi tou parontos 
[otan einai allwnwn!]>>

Tin sihainomai afti ti mizeria! Tin sihainomai!

Ki oso gia to Spiro, pou akouse <<ta ex amaxis>> gia ta osa egrapse
sto SCG, tha 'prepe mallon na gnwrizei oti sta kafeneia peftoun sihna
kai ... mpinelikia, giati aploustata <<opoios anakatevetai me ta 
pitoura, ton trwn oi kotes>>. Etsi, tha 'prepe na agno.i.sei ta 
opoia ... kakarismata elave mesw ilektronikis allilografias, alla kai
na papsei episis -- estw gia ligo -- to ... klapsourisma peri 
Pswrokwstainas. Gia na 'hei tin igeia tou diladi!

Poli-poli filika,

Dimitris

palai potes aristeros kai nin monahos tou diefthinwn simvoulos tou 
Grafeiou Sinoikesiwn:

	<<Ta Pitsounakia anef Proikos>>
	Skordoka.i.lamas 99, 
	GR-38 567 Anw-Katw Palialwna, 
	Hellas.

	Tilefwnon: +30 429 100
	Tiletipon: 123 PITSOUNI GR
	Tileomoiotipon (akrws ellinisti legetai <<fax>>): +30 429 199

Epitagai (kai epistolai) ginontai dektai mono ean einai onomastikai 
ef' emou kai ohi eis to onoma tou grafeiou.
From: gah@mvaxcs1.cse.nau.edu (George Howington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Greek Economists
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:45:27 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: gah@mvaxcs1.cse.nau.edu

Hello All,

I am writing a paper in my Economic Theory class.  I would like to do it
on a well known Greek Economist (after 1800 AD).  If possible, I would 
like a few names of whom I can write on.

Thank You very much,
     Yiwrgos Aleksavdros Howington
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: On the continued comparisons of Greek & Turkish economies
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 08:39:35 GMT

In article <9204080201.AA13526@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@KOCRSV01.DELCOELECT.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>
>In light of the data I (and you) presented in our last two mail
>messages, i.e. from World Almanac, the only industry I can see Turkiye
>being unquestionably stronger is child-making. A country that can make
>$1.99 "Made in Turkey" Kmart 100% Cotton shirts has less cars,
>commercial vehicles, appliances, TV's, phones, etc than its
>"unquestionably weaker" neighbor of 1/6th population. Stronger :-). 

Some trivia about Turkish economy:

- World's third largest textile industry
- Europe's largest land transportation fleet
- Europe's third largest color TV producer (3 million units/year,
  1.5 million units exported to Europe)
- Automobile production 200,000/year- up from 70,000 only two years ago
- One of Europe's most advanced telecommunications systems
  (90 % of all switch-boards digital with every single village connected
  to the network)
- Europe's second largest construction industry with bussinesses totaling
  $ 50 billion abroad, mainly North Africa, Middle East, and ex-USSR)
- Steel, cement, petrochemical industries with which EC can barely
  compete by applying strict tax barriers and quotas (same is true
  for textile but not nearly as effective).

More will follow...

Maybe we will never be part of EC but we sure as hell will give it a
good fight, which as we say in Turkish "will create a lot of noise".

Sincerely,

Orhan Arsel.
From: c9111310@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: MACEDONIJA A SOVERIGN NATION(VMRO)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:32:36 GMT

MACEDONIJA ( MACEDONIA ) LIVES (ZIVE`)
MACEDONIAN SPIRIT WILL NEVER DIE (NIKOJPAT)
greece = cradle of hipocracy

     MACEDONIJA IS BEING CRUCIFIED ON A CROSS OF BALKAN POLITICS

MAKEDONIJA  ALWAYS EXISTED , EXISTS NOW , WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST
AS SOVERIGN NATION WHEN EC  AND THE REST OF THE WORLD RECOGNISES US.

DA ZIVE` MAKEDONIJA , MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD , MAKEDONSKATA LITERITURA I
KULTURA.
(LONG LIVE MACEDONIJA,THE MACEDONIAN PEOPLE,MACEDONIAN LITERATURE AND 
CULTURE.


      THERE ARE MILLIONS OF MACEDONIANS WORLD WIDE AND UNTIL THE DAY 
COMES THAT THERE IS ONLY  1 MACEDONIAN LEFT HE WILL NEVER GIVE IN 
AND CALL HIM OR HERSELF ANYTHING ELSE BUT A MACEDONIAN,
BECAUSE greeks YOU NO WHY? 

          BECAUSE WE WERE BORN MACEDONIAN 
          WE ARE PRESENTLY MACEDONIAN
                   AND
          WE WILL DIE AS MACEDONIANS.

          CMRT ILI CLOBODA ZA MAKEDONIJA
        
          (DEATH OR FREEDOM FOR MACEDONIJA)



FROM YOUR GOOD FRIENDS THE MACEDONIANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: GREECE-TURKEY Comparisons?
Organization: Washington University in St. Louis
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:52:49 GMT

I would not answer here to mutlu, but I want to further comment, based
on the arguments expressed by Spiros Gavrilakis.

I agree; the point is not to compare Greece and Turkey: as I
said such a comparison is ridiculous, it is a joke, 
and this can be seen by referring
to any statistics book or section (most world atlases have such sections)
- forget that this is common knowledge anyway.

The real issue is that, especially 8 years of "socialist" government
have affected not only the economy, but the mentality of our people.
The average greek is somehow convinced that he can spent more than he
produce, that he can "enjoy his life" but not take seriously his
responsibilities and WORK. This is a simple and crude way to explain
the reversal of a very fast economic growth (one of the fastest in the
world) until 1980 to one of the slowest, plus huge deficits, etc. etc. etc.
Thus Greece is the only EEC country from the club of "target 1" (or poorer
members) that is diverging instead of converging since entrance in the 
community. Comparison with the rate of development of
Spain and Portugal in this period puts us to shame.

What more can one say? We hope. We hope that the (still healthy) private
sector will "push" this huge, lazy, irresponsible monster that is called
public sector... We hope that our people's mentality will change (I 
believe I see the change already happening). 

I wrote this brief message to exhibit my position regarding the issue
of economics, etc. Let's not joke ourselves: Yes, Greece is basically
prosperous thanks to the weird/unique combination of its official and
... unofficial economic activity, yes the basic indications of 
quality of life are directly
comparable to those of the advanced countries and the discussion with...
mutlu was a bad joke. 
But I want to stress that we are aware of the real conditions, as far
as the "gradient" (i.e., rate of change) of the economic facts is
concerned. Believe me, we are no .. narcissists as far as our country
is concerned!

Regards,
L. Skartsis
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: 21 divisions held by...
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:43:19 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

c23st@kocrsv01.delecoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

[..]

>As far as the US and its allies spending money to keep the Turks 
>(or any other foreign aid recipient) happy, tell you what. All
><country> expatriates and <country> ophiles could mail an extra 5%
>or so of their US taxable income to the US state department in the name
>of <country>. Think of all the money highly paid professionals like 
>Hasan, Cosar, and Geoff Elliot (could not resist that, could I). People
>like what's her name at U of Illinois or other student types could
>donate less. 

You sound like NikosGavrieltos-without-sodomy. US and allies have
paid that small and insignificant country that happens to lie on the
west of the Aeagean amounts of dollars (and pounds and marks and ...) 
much more than it deserved. That country (ok, it is Greece, I won't leave
you in pain) got its military help with 7/10 to Turkiye. It has 1/6
of Turkiye's population but 7/10 of the help. And what did Greece do ?
Threaten the NATO every week by closing the bases, supported international
terrorism, went into secret deals with Warshaw Pact countries. Still
Greece, which had no importance in stopping the communism, and that has
no borders with problematic bits of the world, gets 7/10. It gets the EC
help too. It gets all technological help too. It blocks EC help to Turkiye
too. That small country's foreign minister asked the US patriot missles
because Greece would be in danger by Iraq during the Gulf War... 
of course it was jealosy. The same foreign minister went around 
Egypt, Syria, etc. to form an anti-Turkish alliance because Turks are to
invade Iraq (and then rest of the world). Of course he knew that the
function of Turkish army near Iraq was to minimize the Iraqi soldiers in the
southern operation theatre. But Greece choose to use this against Turkey and
contradict the Western interests. That is just another example Greece
has never been a true ally since the War. Still loads-a-money goin' there.
It must come to us instead.

>I just mailed my US tax forms and donated (paid) a significant amount of 
>money. The interstate roads in my state are riddled with potholes,
>City Services stink, and on top of that you (or whoever else advocates
>foreign aid (read money to be used to buy more military equipment))
>have the nerves to ask for MORE? Just to keep Turkey (or whoever) happy?

If that money hadn't come to Turkey now you guys in US were buying oil
with million dollars per barrel, says George Bush. So Turkey's 
importance for the West is more crucial than your ten dollars, don't worry.
West's importance is more dubious for us. (especially since that strange
German acrobatics last month)

Kutluk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: skevos@seas.smu.edu (Paraskevas Evripidou)
Subject: e-mail for the University of Cyprus
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:13:19 GMT

Does  anyone  know if  the   University  of  Cyprus   has  an internet
connection or any other type  of connection that  can be reached  from
the internet.  In their leaflet they mentioned that they are connected
to EARN.   What    is EARN? They   list    their   e-mail  address  as
UNICYP%CYEARN (actually they don't  use "%" instead they use something
like the paragraph symbol that does not exist in my keyboard !!).  Our
systems people couldn't find such an  address in their databases.  You
can e-mail your response directly to me post to the net.

Thanks 

Skevos Evripidou
skevos@seas.smu.edu
From: nico@castle.ed.ac.uk (N Porfiris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MUSLIM MINORITY2
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:21:32 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
 > 
 > 
 > There is a law in Greece that says:
 > "When a muslim "mufti" i Greece is accepted by the muslims
 > it must also be accepted by the government,
 > not just by the muslim people.
    There is a law that says:
   "When what somebody says is not better than silence, 
    then it is wiser for him to keep silence, study law and study history"   
 > Can somebody explain why? 
    God gave brains to people in order to think. Sometimes it is not bad
    to use them in order to explain things ourselves, otherwise they
    liquidify.  
 > 
 > Hilmi Eren
 > Stockholm Universty
 > Computer and Sytems Science
 > hilmi@dsv.su.se
                                                Nicos
From: nico@castle.ed.ac.uk (N Porfiris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Muslim Minority in Greece!
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:45:13 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
 > The muslim minority in Greece
 > aren't allowed to rebuild their
 > houses when they are to fell apart.
 > They must move or buy a new house.
  I heard it through the grapevine..........
                      Creedence Clearwater Revivals
 > 
 > Can somebody answer why Greece has these kind
 > of laws?
  Might need a new constitution, we might borrow the Turkish equivalent laws.
 > 
 > I thougt the word democracy came from Greece.
  Good guess. You must have studied history.
> 
> hilmi eren
> computer and systems science
> stockholm universty, sweden
> hilmi@dsv.su.se

                                                nicos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gah@mvaxcs1.cse.nau.edu (George Howington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Orthodox list
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:34:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: gah@mvaxcs1.cse.nau.edu

From naucse!arizona!noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!ccs-server.QueensU.CA!qucdn!vukomano Mon Mar 23 12:17:38 MST 1992
Article: 5648 of soc.culture.greek
From: VUKOMANO@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: new discussion group
Date: 18 Mar 92 20:52:29 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Status: RO


   Dear readers,

 The new discussion el.net is formed:EASTERN ORTHODOX DISCUSSION (EOCHR).
 The purpose of the Eastern Orthodox Christian discussion group is to give a for
 um for discussion and exchange of ideas by members of the various Eastern and
 Oriental Orthodox churches around the world, as well as any other people who
 are seriously interested in Eastern Orthodox Christianity and the concerns of
 the Orthodox.  It exists for polite, open, tolerant, and truly pan-Orthodox
 discussions of any topics related to the Orthodox faith, to the corporate life
 of the various national Orthodox churches, and/or to the individual lives of
 Orthodox Christians.  Please let Orthodox Christians know of its existence.

 For subscription, please send to me your full name and e-mail address.

 Dragic V.Vukomanovic
From: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Sappho (not sure if this went through last time)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:03:59 GMT
Reply-To: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Distribution: world
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI

Note: This is not Ross Starkey, its Ilan U. Woll posting with permission.

Hi, does anybody know how to get some poetry  by Sappho, I have a
friend who needs Bibliographic references for a paper.  Thanks, Ilan

"Avoid cliches like the plague" George Bernard Shaw

-- 
Ross Starkey                         "Of course you know, this means WAR." 
rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu        "This whole thing is goony, I shou'da
                                      stood in bed!"  "Gruesome, isn't it?"
FIGHT DICTATORSHIP!  VOTE!!!!                                  --Bugs Bunny
From: b93945@fnal.fnal.gov (Petros Rapidis at Fermilab (RAPIDIS@FNAL))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Database for greek scientists
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:08:22 GMT
Reply-To: no replies needed !
Followup-To: no followup please !
Organization: Fermilab
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4


 I received a letter from :

   grscient@isosun.ariadne-t.gr

  which is the E-mail address for a group at the National Center for
  Scientific Research "DEMOKRITOS" that has taken the initiative to
  create a database of "greek scientists living abroad and working
  within Universities, Research Centers or other R&D Organizations".

  In their letter they suggested  that their solicitation for such
  information be distributed to " any other greek scientists that
  you may know in your institution or in some other institution, (or
  eventually distribute this mail) so that we can collect eventually
  as much information as possible".

  As they state this database will be "used, through the ARIADNEt
  Network (the National Computer Network for the Academic and Research
  Community) by all interested Greek Organizations ( General Secretary
  of Research and Technology, Research Centers, Universities, etc.)".
  The head of the project team is Dr. A. Drigas at "DEMOKRITOS".

  Thus if you wish, and fall in the above categories, send them the 
  following information (to grscient@isosun.ariadne-t.gr):

  Full name, Scientific Field, Highest Educational Degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D),
  Position in your Organization, Phone, Fax, E-mail Address, Institution,
  Institution's Address.
From: lolonis@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Panagiotis Lolonis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: RE: A CALL TO ARMS FOR ALL MACEDONIANS
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:49:51 GMT
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

>From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
>Subject: Re: A CALL TO ARMS FOR ALL MACEDONIANS


>So we can conclude that the poster actually is Macedonian, but I
>hope everyone here realizes that c8826859 is nothing but a mere
>lunatic, and not representative for the Republic of Macedonia.


I hope that such lunatics do not start planting bombs in Salonika
or in other cities of Macedonia.  As you know, only few such persons
are enough to cause termoil (e.g. the November 17th group in Greece)

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

Panos Lolonis,
Department of Geography
U. of Iowa