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From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SUN Sparc-Compatible Laptops
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:56:07 GMT
Reply-To: dj@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes

In article 27708@mksol.dseg.ti.com, ctalbott@mksol.dseg.ti.com (christopher j talbott) writes:
>In article <83631@ut-emx.uucp>, sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin) writes:
>|> 
>|> I am interested in getting information on Sparc-compatible laptops,
>|> but I don't know where to start.  Who makes such things?  What do
>|> they cost?  How compatible are they?  Is it possible top set one up
>|> to run with a large drive, etc. at one location and stand-alone
>|> when travelling with it?  Where should I look for more information
>|> and pricing?  Are there academic pricings available?
>
>There's an company called Tadpole Technologies which manufactures a
>SPARC-compatible laptop.  It's called a SPARCBook, and it's basically
>a Sun SPARCStation IPC/IPX in a laptop case.  It uses the exact same

WRONG! The Tadpole Technolgies machine has it's own motherboard using
PC developed chippery and a natty thing called the PBUS which interfaces these
to a SPARC.

The machine based on the IPC/IPX mother board is the RDI Britelite, which is
a portable rather than a laptop.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:41:10 GMT

exujuyu@exu.ericsson.se (Junwen Yuan) writes:

>You don't get any educational discounts on the SPARCClassic.

We do (about 20%)

>But, you do get normal educational discounts on the SPARCstation LX,
>which is around 40%.
>BTW, I haven't seen the SPARCstation LX yet, does it come
>with the IPC-like "shoe box" or SS2-like "pizza box"?

The LX has a IPC-style "shoe box".

Casper
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Reply-To: bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Stoner Associates, Inc./DREM Incorporated, Houston Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.083631.9764@informatik.uni-bremen.de> mfr@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE. writes:
>In article 16307@uhura1.uucp, bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt) writes:
>>
>>If the LX does 1152x900 graphics, what's the difference between the
>>mid-range and the more expensive 16" color monitor?
>
> I think the best way to find your monitor is to ask your 
>SUN rep. for a demo. 

Indeed.  The information I got from my Sun rep. was the same information
that has been posted here -- except that it was posted here before I was
able to get it.

I can eventually get the answer from a Sun rep., but the net is generally
much faster, and we're making budget decisions _now_.
-- 
Bryan "Ten days before Sun can send me the product literature" Curnutt
bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Any opinions above are mine, not SAI's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao)
Subject: video board for sparc
Reply-To: zhao@nmsu.edu
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:56:56 GMT

Has anone had any experience about VIDEO boards for SPARCs ?  When I
read the list of videos boards for sun sparcs, I got confused.  Is
VideoPix from Sun Microsystem the best?  How about Max Video from
Datacube, Satellite from Jupiter Sys., VideoView, Xvideo-24SV, ... 
from Parallax Graphics ? ... I need help.

ZiZi
From: brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: How does the new 2000+MIP Sun server compare against a Cray/XMP?
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:36:36 GMT
Reply-To: brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1e0mq4INNil7@armory.centerline.com>, matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
|> In <1e0f40INN65d@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@plts.uucp writes:
|> 
|> >Another difference is that you can buy a Cray today.
|> 
|> Yeah, I was pretty surprised when I read the fine print of the announcement
|> and found that the 20-processor version of the SparcCenter-2000 was slated
|> for delivery "2H93".  In other words, Sun preannounced the high-end of the 
|> product line something like a year in advance.  
|> 
|> Gee, I used to work for a company whose hardware division did that with 
|> its new products (long before the products actually existed -- I wonder 
|> how many processors they've got working in the biggest *existing* version
|> of the SparcCenter-2000).  
|> 

   I talked to a senior Product Manager (of the Sparcserver 2000) and
they DO have 20 processors machines running.  However, they don't plan
on selling them until they have the OS tuned appropriately which is
why they will be only selling the 2 to 8 processors versions starting
(?) in april.  My guess is that Solaris 2.2 will come out then.

   And two lucky sites are getting them about now, I don't know who it
is.  We chose to buy a 690 + upgrade rather than go direct to Sparccenter 2000.

-- 

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	SIC/SII, EL-Ecublens, CH-1015 Lausanne, Suisse, +41 21 693-2211
brossard@sic.epfl.ch
From: roh8@aber.ac.uk (Richard Owain Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:28:41 GMT
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

I have seen several articles quoting the prices of these machines (Classic
and LX). Does anyone know the UK price?

Grim, who may not be buying that 486 after all... 8-)
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:30:47 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <lg6j1iINN5dj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman) writes:
> 
>  Most of the current crop of RISC architectures are fundamentally similar
>  and if one were to apply the same compiler and implementation 
>  techniques to all of them  - its possible to find all of them within
>  a few % points of each other in terms of performance, cost etc.
> 
   If this is true, then SUN is having VERY serious problems with its compilers
   and implementation techniques.  Comparing the latest announcements:

     System   # processors   SPECrate_int92  SPECrate_fp92  Availability

   SUN 2000        8             8047           10,600       April, 93

   DEC 10000       4             9108           17,187       Jan/Feb, 93


   greg pavlov
   pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:38:00 GMT

In <1992Nov19.003959.6608@news2.cis.umn.edu> pete@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Pete Thurmes) writes:

>A word of caution when ordering a Sparcstation 10:

>Sun is now shipping the Sparc 10's, but when I received mine I found out
>that Sun has apparently departed from their old standard of putting
>thickwire Ethernet ports on all their workstations. The Sparc 10 comes
>with twisted pair, standard! To connect thickwire, you need (surprise!)
>a $60 adaptor cable that turns the audio (AUI) port into a dual port
>(audio and thickwire Enet). Pretty bogus, huh?

>So be sure to budget an additional $60 (and order it *with* your box,
>or you'll wait 5 days for Sun"Express") if you don't use 10BASE-T (i.e.
>if your Sun is not a PC server).

What's a Sun PC server?

>Just another example of expensive corporate silliness.

I was overjoyed to see that the Sparc 10 has a 10Base-T port.  We only
provide 10Base-T connections to our campus ethernet so this actually
saves us the cost of a 10Base-T transceiver.

Sun should be congradulated for this far sighted decision.
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"The average middle income family with two parents and children pays $2,945
more in Federal taxes than they would have under the tax policies in place
before the Tories first came to power in 1984."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: smithsw@che12.ncsu.EDU (Steven Smith)
Subject: Parallel Port and Sun 3/80
Reply-To: smithsw@che12.ncsu.EDU (Steven Smith)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:53:25 GMT

Hi,

I am trying to attach a NEC LC-890 postscript printer to my Sun 3/80
running SunOS 4.0.3. At first I thought the parallel port would be the
easiest. However, when I try to cat to the device /dev/pp0 I get the
device not found message. I have the following line in the kenel config
file:

    device pp0 at obio ? csr 0x6f000000 priority 1

and I used the MAKEDEV pp0 command to create the device files.
I am not sure what kind of entry I need in the /etc/ttytab file.

Any suggestions on how to get the parallel port to work and a typical
printcap file for a postscript printer on the parallel port would be
appreciated. Please send suggestions to smithsw@chess.ncsu.edu.

Thanks,


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:11:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.015139.5668@ntmtv> harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:
>
>We've got a SPARC 10 in house and 60 SPARCClassics on the way. I have
>yet to see a sales brochure or specification sheet (other than
>what came in the SPARC 10 box). Sounds like we should buy our
>SPARCs in Europe :-).
>-- 
>Howard Hart		UUCP:{ames,pyramid!amdahl,hplabs}!ntmtv!harthc

Howard,

Are you serious?  You're telling us you ordered 60 workstations
without even having seen a spec sheet?  This does not sound like a
good idea.  I've been waiting a long time for Sun to get rid of their
AUI only Ethernet interface.  The vast majority of my customers run
10-base T _only_ and are grateful not to have to purchase a
transceiver.  Sorry about your pre-historic cable plant.  

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SOLARIS question
Keywords: Sparc LX
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:19:37 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>The answer is no, it cannot run the old OS. Now, if we can
>just make Solaris run our old binaries......

Dynamically-link them with "libc", and many of them may work....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: joe@oilean.islandsw.com (Joe McGuckin)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Organization: Island Software
	<1992Nov15.203347.10526@bclwn.wn.bcl.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:30:14 GMT

I once saw a 'principals of operation' document for one of the recently announced 
workstations. The MTBF vs. ambient temperature chart showed that the MTBF was cut
in half by elevating temperature from 25c to 50c.

-joe

-- 

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Island Software    	 oilean!joe@sgi.com
(415) 969-5453
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: hardware(?) error on Exabyte 8200 on Sparc ELC + 4.1.1
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:14:35 GMT

I have been starting to get the following error reported fairly
frequently from SunOS 4.1.1 on a Sparc ELC running an Exabyte 8200
during backups:


st0:    Error for command 'read', Error Level: 'Fatal'
        Block: 0        File Number: 0
        Sense Key: Media Error
        Vendor (Exabyte 8mm Helical Scan) Unique Error Code: 0x9

It usually appears right at the beginning of a flashback 2.1 run (backup
application) and causes the device to think that there is no tape loaded
or some such nonsense and the backup fails, utterly.  If i restart it,
it will often times work, but not always.  Sometimes i have to restart
the application several times before it sees the drive.  Very
inconvenient.  Is it time to return this unit to the factory??

This error code does not appear to be listed in the exabyte manual.

derek
-- 
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From: pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic vs. 486
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:10:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
Originator: pr@fnord.umiacs.umd.edu


In article <4318@cvbnetPrime.COM>, miarrobi@cvbnet.prime.com (Mike Iarrobino) writes:
|> 
|> > bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt) writes:
|> > Microsoft, last I had heard, has categorically stated that they will
|> > not produce any software for Suns.  The potential market volume just
|> > isn't anywhere near the levels they want in order to justify the work.
|> > Other software companies such as Lotus are, fortunately, less
|> > snobbish about platform and more willing to provide what their
|> > customers want.
|> 
|> But then Lotus sells a lot more copies of 1-2-3 then Microsoft sells of Excell ;-)


Could someone please mail me the original SPARCClassic vs. 486 annoucement?

Jesus M. Rodriguez
pr@umiacs.umd.edu
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:45:02 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1992Nov17.160019@siisun.epfl.ch>, brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII) writes:
> In article <1712@niktow.canisius.edu>, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
> |> In article <lg6j1iINN5dj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman) writes:
> |> > 
> |> >Most of the current crop of RISC architectures are fundamentally similar
> |> >and if one were to apply the same compiler and implementation 
> |> >techniques to all of them  - its possible to find all of them within
> |> >a few % points of each other in terms of performance, cost etc.
> |> >
> |>If this is true, then SUN is having VERY serious problems with its compilers
> |>and implementation techniques.  Comparing the latest announcements:
> |> 
> |>  System   # processors   SPECrate_int92  SPECrate_fp92  Availability
> |> 
> |>  SUN 2000        8             8047           10,600       April, 93
> |> 
> |>  DEC 10000       4             9108           17,187       Jan/Feb, 93
> 
> What kind of data is this?  I'm sure the 2 processors NEC we have in 
> Switzerland is faster than the 4 processors DEC 10'000, but what does that
> prove? nothing!

  It "proves" that NEC has processors capable of supporting considerably great-
  er throughput than either DEC or SUN.  If you are alluding to price differ-
  ences, you certainly have a point.  But just as performance is influenced
  by price, price is also influenced by performance.  E.g., the lower price
  of the SUN 2000 (relative to that of the DEC 10000) may be the RESULT of the
  lower performance as much as the cause.

  The above "data" comes from SUN and DEC, respectively.  I have no reason to
  assume that either company "lied" or "doctored" the results.  If it is
  "honest" data, then it shows that SUN's best effort with the SPARC falls
  far short in performance per processor when compared with DEC's best first-
  generation ALPHA effort.  Because of that, I don't buy SUN's proposition 
  that the SPARC is equal to other RISC processors on the market.  That is 
  why it is trying to build a 20-head system......

  
  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: Re: 2 Gb drives on suns
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:23:17 GMT

In article 5881@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca, dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca (David Ross) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.160256.27205@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca>  
>Rob.E.Allan@hydro.on.ca (Rob E. Allan) writes:
>> We are considering the purchase of a 5.25" 2Gb SCSI Fujitsu drive.
>> Does anyone know of any problems in attaching a disk of this size
>> to a sun sparc (1-2) running SunOS 4.1.1? I seem to remember there were
>> problems attaching a >1GB drive to suns in the past.
>
>I too would like to know of any problems with this - running under SunOS  
>4.1 actually.  Sun Tech support gave me the impression that there may be a  
>patch available for SunOS 4.1(.1) that will allow 2GB disks to work.  Does  
>anybody know about this?  Thanks!  (BTW, this is for a lab which we can't  
>upgrade to 4.1.2 or Solaris until next Spring).
>--
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>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  T6G 2H1 | Fax:   (403) 492-1729


We have several 2GB disks here in a Cluster of Sun Sparc Workstations IPC/X
running SunOS 4.1.2 without any serious problems, but of course I cannot 
give any warranties.

Michael


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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Need Quantum 425S format.dat entry.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 02:40:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Sigh, so much for Portal's editor.

I recently wrote:

|  Then go into the "partition" sub-system of format() and set it all up to
|  your preferences.  WHat I do for is:
|  
|  	a: 0 1754/0/0
|  	c: 0 1754/0/0

That should have read: "What I do for the Quantum 425S partitioning is:

	a: 0 1752/0/0
	c: 0 1752/0/0

and make a single filesystem on the entire a: partition.  You'd alter this
strategy for a boot disk since you want a "/" partition as "a:", your swap
partition as "b:", and a "/usr" partition elsewhere on the drive (probably
:g)."

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
From: FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Partitions under SUN OS 4.1.2
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:16:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I have a question about hard drive partitions on SUN machines.  My own
machine is a 2 year old SPARC...the internal drive is only 207 Meg
SCSI.  On it are two partitions: 30 meg for root, 130 meg for /usr
and 48 meg for swap.  (i know this isn't 207 but I didn't set it up
and can't explain the discrepancy).

I also have mirrored 2.0 gig drives with 5 partitions: 30 meg /usr2
which is full of overflow from /usr, 130 meg /usr/export/home (for
user accounts), and three empty partitions of 100 meg each called
data1, data2, data3.

I am pretty sure (please confirm) that not all of the disk is currently 
being used.  Seems I should be able to set up another 500-600 meg of 
space.  But my real question is why do I need all these partitions in
the first place?  Can't I just set up swap and 1 partition on the
internal drive, and one really big partition on the mirrored external
drives?  If I can't, why not?  (and when is that limitation going to be
lifted?)  If I can, why shouldn't I?  Seems it would be much simpler
to not worry about crossing volume boundaries (except at the limits
of the physical devices).  


I confess I am still learning UNIX so what may seem obvious to old hands
at UNIX file systems will be new, mysterious, and arcane to me.  Please
help me with this, I am thinking of re-partitioning and being half
done is not the time to run into a hard-coded limit somewhere.

Another question...does SUN 4.1.2 still have system tables of fixed
size or has that revision switched to linked lists of system structures?
If 4.1.2 is still tables, has Solaris 2.0 made the switch?

Thanks in advance.

Dana Bourgeois
FelineGrace@cup.portal.com
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From: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Linefeed (LFD) for type 5 keyboard? -- more
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:19:40
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, Polytechnic Univ, NY, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 08:34:11


>>>>> "me" == Lawrence R. Dodd <dodd@roebling.poly.edu> writes:

  me>   The type 5 keyboard unlike the type 4 keyboard has no LINEFEED key (at
  me>   least not one labeled as such). Is it possible to bind LINEFEED to say
  me>   the "Alt Graph" key or "Compose" key, neither of which I have ever
  me>   used.

LFD is just Ctrl-J. So what I want to do is map Ctrl-J to Alt Graph or
Compose.  xmodmap will do the trick but I can't get it to work.

What is the KEYSYMNAME for "Alt Graph" or "Compose"?  I have looked in
<X11/keysymdef.h> and the keysym database /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB but doing
either of

  xmodmap -e "keysym SunAltGraph = Control_J
  xmodmap -e "keysym SunCompose = Control_J"

does not work.

Can someone tell me what the correct KEYSYMNAME is or the correct keycode
NUMBER for Alt Graph and/or Compose? Come on there must be someone out there
who has a type 5 and wants LFD back again.

Thanks,

Larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Subject: QC 1/4" 150MB SCSI drive
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:35:42 GMT


Please recommend a company that I can purchase a QC (?)
1/4" 150MB SCSI tape drive from.

Thanks,

Lew Berman



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