From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A New Beginning
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:23:50 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


Bob Sarver wants to be agreed with.  Let's see if there's
anything I can agree with in his last three bombasts
directed to me.  I won't bother with the article citations.

>at the top of your lungs, you proclaim "how could anyone
>listen to you" while simultaneously having hissy fits (or
>orgasms, whichever describes it best) every time I post.

Can't agree with that.  I hardly ever shout.  I have hissy
fits only with friends and then mostly for camp effect.
Orgasms?  Are you in your right mind?  I respond to less than
10% of your postings.

>Or for that matter, orr or Matt Melmon posts.

Can't agree.  Matt Melmon made a very sensible post today;
I didn't respond.

>>Whereas, 100% of your [stuff] is all on the same topic: you.

>Incorrect

I overstated; it's less than 100%.  But it's a lot, way over
half.

>I suspect you are probably as cabalistic as the best of
>them.

If you mean The Cabal (ta-dah!), you're right.  Like all
pink elephants can fly.

>I described your dysfunctional attitude and posting habits
>to another person here.

Whooie, heavy artillery, "dysfunctional." And another appeal
to unverifiable witnesses.  Well, we are liberally supplied
with descriptions of your attitudes and habits from people
at Microsoft, too, but forget I mentioned it.

>It is not possible for me to say anything which will please
>you; you will always find fault with any post I make,
>because you don't like the source from which it came.

It *is* possible to say something that would please me, and
I have acknowledged explicitly that you have done so:

>>Sarver published a list of things he supports.  They all
>>looked like good things.

That's agreeing with you, Bob, no two ways about it.

Then I say:

>>He got flamed for saying misogynistic things (for which he
>>apologized [I thought just sort-of]).

>This statement, more than any other you have made since I
>first posted, indicates how much of your personal ego is
>wrapped up in all this, Anderson.  You have to stoop pretty
>low to find fault with someone's apology.

The apology was not very credible, because in your very next
posting after that, and again in the postings you issue
here, you're still saying misogynistic things.  So *that's*
why I said "sort-of;" you were talkin' the talk but not
walkin' the walk.

Feel free to think I have ego invested here, I can't stop
you.  I have nothing against you personally, but you say a
lot of very obnoxious things, then complain when you get a
hot-foot for it.

>Christ; what is it they say?  "No good deed ever goes
>unpunished"?

Sounds like self-pity, to me.

>>He admanantly refuses to concede that his positions injure
>>us.  

>They don't.  

See?

>I have credibility with those who matter, Anderson.  I
>don't worry about the rest of the world.

That's what Eichmann thought, too.  Look what it got him.

>What is it Voltaire said?  "I may not agree with a word you
>say, Sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say
>it"?

That is what Voltaire said, but your version seems more like
"I may not agree with a word you say, Sir [Madame being
explicitly excluded from your discourse], but I will defend
to your death my right to say anything I please."

>"Bobbie the person" bothers you a hell of a lot more than
>any ideas I post.

It's been a long time since you posted any, and getting
longer.  You seem to like the idea that you bother me, but it
just isn't going to work, so give it up.

If I may make a suggestion, why don't you shift gears, stop
doing what you've been doing (I mean, you've made about a
half a dozen postings with actual content, and dozens upon
dozens like these three) and make something like a new
beginning?

It couldn't possibly hurt, and it might do some good.  There
could even be other things we could agree on.

<> If I am not for myself, who is for me?  If I am only for
<> myself what am I?  And if not now, when? -- Hillel
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