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From: dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PowerBook 145 2/80
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:43:35 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <CKD.92Aug13132253@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> 	<1992Aug9.165323.15098@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
> 	<GERLACH.92Aug13092043@greyrock.greyrock.mso.colostate.edu>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:22:56 GMT
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> 
> Scott> == Scott Gerlach <gerlach@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu> 
> 
>  Scott> Why would you want a machine with only 2MB RAM?  I don't even
>  Scott> use very high-powered software on my Mac, and 4MB is just barely
>  Scott> enough.  Buying a 2MB PB 145 is like begging to pay for a RAM
>  Scott> upgrade within the next 2-6 months.  4MB should be the minimum
>  Scott> configuration for all new machines IMHO.
> 
> Maybe, just *MAYBE*, you intend to go straight to 8M, and would rather
> not be saddled with an almost completely useless 2M expansion module?
> 
> After all, "4MB is just barely enough."


Amen.  I know that I was certainly pleased with avoiding the prospect of
PAYING for a 2MB memory module for my PB 170 that I would have then had
to SELL when I replaced it with the 6MB module I installed the day after I
got the 170.  Expecially since the market for 2MB modules is shall we say,
less than a seller's market.

-- 
/* Dale Southard Jr.                                 Sr. Rigger      */
/* University of Toledo                             AFF/I   SL/I     */
/* dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu                           D-11216       */
/* Department of Chemistry -- "Just another skydiving grad student." */
From: bob_janc-cdsr98x@email.mot.com (Bob_Janc)
Subject: Re: PowerBook question
Organization: LMPS RESEARCH
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:59:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc

=========================================================
The lighting bolt should not always be on.

Your problem may be related to the battery.  Try using a different battery.
If this solves the problem, your "faulty" battery may be cured by deep
discharging it and then recharging it.  You may need a battery conditioner
to perform the deep discharge.

=========================================================


In article <1992Aug12.234137.12073@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
davidw@jessica.Stanford.EDU (David J. Whelan) wrote:
> 
> Here's a stupid question about the PowerBook 170 that's been causing
> me a lot of problems recently.  Actually, I guess it's a couple of
> questions.
> 
> When the AC adaaptor is plugged in, should the lighting bolt always
> appear in the Battery DA, or will the icon disappear when the battery
> has been fully charged?
> 
> My reason for asking this is that one of our company's PowerBooks
> continues to occasionally sleep, even though it is plugged in and set
> to not sleep when plugged in.  The adaptor is fine, so I'm not sure if
> it's a problem with the PowerBook power connector, or the software, or
> something else.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> David J. Whelan
> davidw@jessica.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: PowerBook 145 2/80
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Aug9.165323.15098@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<GERLACH.92Aug13092043@greyrock.greyrock.mso.colostate.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:51:06 GMT

.mso.colostate.edu> gerlach@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Scott Gerlach) writes:

   Why would you want a machine with only 2MB RAM?  I don't even use very
   high-powered software on my Mac, and 4MB is just barely enough.
   Buying a 2MB PB 145 is like begging to pay for a RAM upgrade within
   the next 2-6 months.  4MB should be the minimum configuration for all
   new machines IMHO.

Buying a PowerBook with 4 MB memory is paying for 2 MB that you
throw away once you leave the store, since you can't do anything
real with 4 MB, and want to upgrade to 8 MB at once.

Why pay for something you don't want? Or; guess why I bought my
latest Mac as a 4/0 (they wouldn't let me have it 0/0)

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.laptops
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: How much should I offer for a Mac Portable?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:27:19 GMT

In <ps-n=t=@lynx.unm.edu> tjones@triton.unm.edu (Tom Jones) writes:

>The Mac Classic uses a 8MHz 68000 and for most operations the PB 100 is 
>about twice as fast. (This relative speed difference is according to the 
>December 1991 issue of _MacUser_, pages 106 & 107, Table 1)
>
>According to the the same issue of _MacUser_, the PB 100 weighs 5.1 pounds.
>(page 113, Table 2)
>
>>Get one while you can.  It's well worth the price, and the price is awfully
>>good.
>
>I whole heartedly agree!


I stand corrected.  The numbers I threw up there were off the top of my
head.  As the proud owner of a new Powerbook 100, though, I can
wholeheartedly endorse it.  It's the first Mac I've ever purchased.  I
bought it to use in my synth studio and it works like a charm.  As you
said, it did seem quite a bit faster than the Macs I remember, but I
figured '68000 = 68000' so I assumed the Classics also ran at that speed.

The weight that I quoted (6.5 pounds) was for the 140/170 I believe.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
     I love to read a murder mystery.  I like to know the killer isn't me.
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
From: u2005681@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Dear Mr.Scully (New Macs)
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:38:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Dear Mr.Scully,
When most computer companies update their range of computers, they make them
faster. Why is Apple going backwards? Why would any sensible human being
design a computer around a 16Mhz 030? Why have such a bewildering range?
Why not make the best computer in its class and concentrate on large scale
production to bring the cost down?
After producing a list of expansion slot standards longer than the great
wall of China, Apple seems to be doing the same for video standards. A 16Bit
video standard of all things?
I love my Mac, but I can't see any reason for updating to the latest round
of offerings from Apple.
I'm sure the difference in manufacturing costs between a 16 and a 33Mhz 
machine are not too prohibitive. It seems you marketing people are running
your company. If so, go back to selling Pepsi and bring back Steve Jobs and
Steve Wozniak.

Not a happy Apple user
C.Hofflin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jimy@neuro.ece.wisc.edu (Yu)
Subject: Re: New IIvx and IIvi...why on EARTH 16mhz? 
Organization: Univ. Wisconsin - Madison 
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:56:10 CDT

In article <11437294.61.714214282@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11437294@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (NATHAN WHEAT) writes:
>>-- 
>> "When I was young we got our first color TV set and our neighbor kids got
>>jealous 'cause their parents wouldn't buy one. So the parents put red green 
>>and blue celophane on it and called it color...now they have Windows 3.1"
>
>What do you think the diff is between Windows (face for DOS) and the MacOS (
>face for God-knows-what)?
>
>Nathan W.
>
>PS:  Not a flame, a question.

You put it in very appropriate terms.
The difference is that the MacOS is not a face to anything
(accessible to the regular user).
Because Windows is a face to DOS, it's constrained by DOS limitations
such as 8.3 naming scheme. While PC users can't wait for NT (Microsoft's
new stand-alone 32-bit OS) we, Mac users have been enjoing 32-bit OS since
the first Mac II family.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Subject: Re: 8-bit or 24-bit, that is the question...
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:06:12 GMT

In article <howarth.714013687@proto> howarth@rice.edu (Jack W. Howarth) writes:
>Subject: 8-bit or 24-bit, that is the question...
>From: howarth@rice.edu (Jack W. Howarth)
>Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:08:07 GMT
>
>  Well, now that I have settled on my monitor (a Sony 1304S), I am trying
>to decide whether the extra $200 is worth it to get a Xceed Macro 30 graphics
>board for my SE/30 rather than the 8 bit Xceed 30 board. I am curious
>to hear about real world uses for the 24 bit board and the relative speed
>hit on the SE/30 between 8 and 24 bit color graphics. Oh, I will be in 32 bit
>mode with 8 meg RAM/16 Meg VM. I suspect that a minority of programs will
>make use of 24 bit graphics. I don't have a DW C (just the old DW) so my
>uses for color would be more on screen than for hardcopy. Actually, I would
>use it mainly for molecular graphics and scientific data analysis so I
>suspect 8 bit is enough. Just wanted to check the current conventional wisdom.
>             Jack
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D.                      Univ. of Texas Medical School
>Research Fellow                                            P.O. Box 20708 
>Department of Biochemistry                           Houston, Texas 77225      
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>howarth@proto.med.uth.tmc.edu    Phone: 713-792-5667    FAX: 713-794-4150


If you follow me, get a board that supports 16 bits too -- this is the bit 
depth quicktime uses at its best speed. 24 bit will need some additional 
time to convert to, and dithering to 8 bits is still slower.

-Christoph

Christoph P. Sold                   CATS Software GmbH
                                    Mussbacher Landstr.2
                                    W-6730 Neustadt (Weinstrasse)
ger.xse0035@applelink.apple.com     Germany

"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From:  (Shawn Amir)
Subject: *********Mac IIcx + Radius TPD for sale *********
Organization: Adobe System Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:45:21 GMT


Mac IIcx
5 Meg Ram
40 Meg HardDrive  (Updated)
Extended Keyboard

$1700

Apple B&W Monitor
4-8 bit card

$300

Radius 2 page
Radius card

$600

All together = $2500 (i.e. $100 discount for selling all together).  You pay
for shipping, or pickup if in the Bay Area.

Please call me at:

work:	415-962-2066 or
home:	415-326-0706 (civilized hours only please).

This machine was bought for an employee who never materialized.  It has probably
seen only 100 hours of use as my accounting machine.  All the original packing
material should be available.  Everything is in excellent working order.

Cheers, Shawn Amir

PS:		This has nothing to do with Adobe.
PSS:	This message may show up as a repeat, sorry
From: John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (John Shepardson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: video card for NEC 3FGx
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:46:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: slac


>  I am looking for a video card for my NEC 3FGx and MacIIsi.
>  I hope I can have 24 bit but also want to run both 832x624 and 640x480.
> 
>  Video card from NEC is pretty expensive.
>  I saw an ad on Macweek that Precsion 24XJ(?) from Radius 
>  is $515 and can support upto 16". Does this work with NEC 3FGx?
> 
>  Do you have any experience and/or recommendation?
> 

The video card from NEC is great but is not necessary for that monitor.

The Radius card will work perfectly with your 3FGx.  Since the 3FGx does
not sync to the 20" monitor, buying the NEC card would be a waste of money
unless you plan on getting a 20" monitor later.

By the way both cards are made by Radius, look at the NEC advertisements
with a magnifying glass.

PS. There is no way for a graphics card to know what monitor it is
connected to.
For instance, if you have an NEC 3FGx, 4FG, or 5FG, or 6FG, there is no way
for the card to know!  Only the cable contains the ID which says what size
it can support, and this is ambiguous for a multisync!


-------------------------------------------
John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu
From: de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: New IIvx and IIvi...why on EARTH 16mhz?
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:17:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Personal

In article <1992Aug15.025007.26454@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) wrote:
> 
> 
> Just to add to the anarchy here on the IIvx and IIvi (and which processor
> which one uses), I've heard 32mhz and 16mhz....my question is: Why on EARTH
> would Apple goto a 16mhz chip...I'd think the MINIMUM they'd use would be
> 20mhz!

I would have thought that they would be working to reduce variety in the
inventory, as evidenced in the 140-145 cpu upgrade, but one also has to
consider supply problems.  Consolidation leads to larger volume purchases,
and at some point, that ceases to be good, because it can strain the
producers ability to deliver.

Also, there is 'Product differentiation'

Sears really made an impact on merchandizing with its low/middle/high
marketing strategy.  Even Piano vendors feel the need to have 3 flavors of
product to offer the customer, so Apple has 9" screen, a crippled modular,
and a confusion of high end machines, each with early obsolescense.

It has occured to me that Apple may simply be running out all of its
current design work, so as to get *some* return from all ongoing
development, in order to 'clear house' for a switch in emphasis to the
taligent product.
--

Dana S Emery <de19@umail.umd.edu>
From: arthur@sgi.com (Arthur Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Modem recommendations?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: arthur@sphere.esd.sgi.com (Arthur Evans)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

Greetings.  I've just purchased a Mac, and I'm looking for a
good modem for it.  The local Fry's carries an external
model by Viva, which claims to do 14.4Kbaud, support V.32bis,
V.42 and V.42bis, as well as the MNP error-correction and 
compression protocols (I forget the numbers), and fax send/receive.

That seems to me like a pretty exhaustive list of protocols--
but I don't know whether it delivers.  Has anyone out there 
used this modem?  Have any impressions to share?  Does anyone
have any favorites in the cheap, high-speed modem department?

thanks,
	arthur

--
"'twas whiskey and bad company
  That made a wretch of me."
				- (traditional Irish ballad)
From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Sound Tools V2 by Dididesign, Inc
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:57:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug13.171430.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.183134.6019@alw.nih.gov>, peter@une.nimh.nih.gov (Peter Henning) writes:
>> Does anyone know where to buy the Sound Tools?
>> I can not find a store which sells the stuff.
>> We want to run it on a Quadra 700.
>> Any system requirements?
>> Thanx
>Contact Digidesign directly, 415-688-0600, or call Steve Borne, Northeast
>Regional Product Specialist at 212-289-6933, Fax 201-659-2184.  I doubt
>if you're going to find it in a store, so you should call one of the offices.

You can also call them at (800) 333-2137.

And yes, you can find them in stores -- generally ones that carry pro
and semi-pro sound gear.  I bought mine from one not too far from you: 
Chuck Leavin's Washington Music Center in Wheaton, Md.

-- 
 ________________________________________________________________________
|   John      jfw@neuro.duke.edu          Duke University Medical Center |
| Whitehead   jfw@well.sf.ca.us           Department of Neurobiology     |
|________________________________________ Durham, North Carolina ________|
From: amfahr@taligent.com (Jeff Amfahr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:30:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Taligent

The real important piece of information is that the person who said 7.0 is
faster is using a ci. The ci had a horrible bug in the memory manager which
caused frequent memory allocation to be VERY slow. This bugs was fixed in
7.0.

Jeff Amfahr
Taligent

These opinions are mine. But they can be yours for a price.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jhl@naif.jpl.nasa.gov (Jay H. Lieske)
Subject: Re: Math Chips for PB140 ??
Reply-To: jhl@naif.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.143445.469@vms.huji.ac.il> josh@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>The one major drawback to my PB140 is the lack of a math chip. Has anyone
>heard of the actual or impending availability of such an "addon". 

	One of the advertisers in MacWeek--Third Wave Computing--used to
advertise a math coprocessor for the PowerBooks.  Its cost was around
$250.  I no longer see it advertised, but when I called them a month 
ago, they said it was still available.  You must send your computer
to them for fitting and that may be why it's not popular.  It may
only become popular after the first year when all PB140 warranties
expire.
	I have examined the inside of a PB140 and can attest that the
solder pads for a math coprocessor are on the underside of the same
board that holds the '030.
	Third Wave's address is
		Third Wave Computing
		1826B Kramer Lane
		Austin, Texas 78758
	tel: 1-800-882-7555
		 1-512-832-8282
    fax: 1-512-832-1533

Jay H. Lieske                                            jhl@naif.jpl.nasa.gov
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac LCII suitable for video recording?
Keywords: video LCII
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:47:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I remember reading that VideoSpigot works with the LCII, I assume with
its PDS slot (rather than the slower SCSI). My sister wants a Mac to
eventually do limited video editing with, and I'm trying to decide
whether the LCII is good enough or whether she absolutely must go for
a more expensive Mac.

Any input is appreciated,
Ralph
rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
-- 
Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
--
From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac II sound
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:55:17 -0500

Someone was recently discussing a way to keep the powerbook sound chip on at all
times...

I wonder if there is something similar for desktop macs.

I have a pair of Sony self-amplified speakers that I use for many things, one of
which is being hooked up to the sound port on my mac IIcx. They sound absolutely
wonderful, but there is a minor drawback. 

They have a "power-saver" feature so that if they arn't used for 1 minute the
amplifier shuts down until it receives another input signal. When hooked up to
the mac, this causes me to miss the begining of some sounds, or miss single,
short sounds entirely (like beep sounds).  

Is there some application or utility or whatever I could use that would cause a
brief, low-level signal to go the the sound port every so often?
 
 Ladd
 
 



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Subject: Re: Two questions 1 re: Plus RAM; 1 re: Syquest mounting
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:13:26 GMT

In <1992Aug14.155344.12546@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:


>First of all, I am upgrading a plus from 1 meg to 4. I know that two resistors
>will need to be cut. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the exact location
>of both of em....the last time this thread was discussed the answers were a
>little contradictory.

According to my limited memory (and a quick perusal of Apple Tech Note #176)
the resistor (only one) that needs to be cut is the one labelled "256K BIT"
which is located in a little white silkscreened box on the logic board
labelled "RAM SIZE". Just clip one end of it, and bend it away from the cut
end, that way, If you need to return the board to a 1MB configuration,
you can do so easily.

TN 176 is available at ftp.apple.com

Bah
--
+ Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the shadow 
+ barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
+ Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...
From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Misc questions...
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:51:05 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hi Fellow Macers!

I have a few questions that I hope you will be able to answer... at
least try to!

1. Is it possible to run System 6.0.X on a Quadra (any one of them)?

2. Is there a utility which would permit me to run X-Windows on my
   Mac IIci? I am connected to a SGI Indigo at 9600 bauds (direct
   connect modem).

3. My boss, Professor Legendre, is undertaking a book on bio-stats.
   He would like to know which is the better DTP to use: PageMaker,
   FrameMaker or Nisus. His book will be about 400 pages and it
   will contain many mathematical expressions. He knows that in
   FrameMaker there is an equation editor.

4. Rumors wants that Apple will reveal new machines in November of
   this year... Should he wait for them or go for a Classic II?

5. Is there a co-processor in the LCII? Plus, is there an extension
   slot in it?

6. About laser printers now... should we go for another LaserWriter
   II NT or go for HP, Texas or any other brand? The volume of
   paper printed is not that important... as long as the printer is
   ps compatible. By the way.. could you tell me what is the
   difference between ps and eps?

7. Another Professor is planning to buy a IIci... shoud he go for
   one plus an accelerator or go for a Quadra? Speaking of
   accelerator... which is the best (understand more reliable) on
   the market? Is it Daystar or Radius or Tokamak?



I know I could ask all those questions to my nearest Apple
dealer... but the thing is that they are sellers! I am more
sensible to end-users opinions, not just "Yeah.. buy this.. it's
the best of this and that...". Real world users are much valuable
than any (car/mac!) sellers!

I thank you all in advance... 


Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
From: cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,athena.forsale
Subject: powerbook carrying case for sale: SOLD
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:58:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Thanks to everyone who showed interest, but the powerbook carrying case
I put up for sale at the end of last week has been sold.

Cam Daly

--
"Cam Daly"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware