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From: higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Space TV (was Re: Government-run programs  Was: Re: Justific...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:26:50 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan4.004039.9774@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> I can do without the mass coverage of every single spaceflight, what I was
> thinking of was more in line with PBS or Discovery channel programs, perhaps
> a weekly look at what's going on in the space program.  Shows like 'Nova'
> and 'Beyond 2000' have done an excelent job covering all types of science
> topics.   What I'd like to see though is sort of a current events program
> with a focus on aerospace-related topics.

I thought the Sci-Fi Channel was planning to air a weekly news series
like this, called "In Space" or "Into Space" or something like that.  

I don't have cable.  Is this series indeed on the air?

"Do you know the asteroids, Mr.Kemp?...    Bill Higgins
Hundreds of thousands of them.  All        
wandering around the Sun in strange        Fermilab
orbits.  Some never named, never
charted.  The orphans of the Solar         higgins@fnal.fnal.gov
System, Mr. Kemp."
                                           higgins@fnal.bitnet
"And you want to become a father."
  --*Moon Zero Two*                        SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: Space and Human Destiny
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:14:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.023539.183@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu  
(Joe Cain) writes:
> 
>       With the recent spate of postings on this newsgroup as to the
> benefit of space exploration, I thought it might be useful to post
> part of my written submission to NASA's Town Meetings following my
> participation in the one in Tampa December 10. As I mentioned in an
> earlier summary, my criticisms of the cost ineffectiveness of the
> Space Station were met with Mr. Goldin's retort that it should be
> done or cancelled. My position is that instead of either it should
> deferred until more important and urgent projects have been
> completed. If $6 billion a year can be carved out of the even more
> wasteful DOD budget, certainly a low priority need such as the
> Space Station could be funded.
> 

As far as I know SSF should never cost more than $2.5 billion a year, according  
to a Congressional directive.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: NASA future program
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:59:40 GMT

	Our local newspaper has a reporter writing a story about the
issue of NASA's future program including the conflicts between the
scientific community and others on the priority of the Space Station.

	She is interested in locating articles that have been
published on this subject in the past year or two. Does anyone have a
short list of material that would be easy to locate and obtain within
a week or so?

Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Bill Nelson
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93  09:38:24

Nelson  is simply a vicious rumor, but one that may, unfortunately, be true.
If this is the case, some long term ramifications may be the end of the NASA
and the U.S. civil space program.

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space,sci.astro,sci.space
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: NASA Administrator
Followup-To: talk.politics.space
Summary: any new input? 
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:43:33 GMT

	Following the recent posting I asked my congressman's
assistant if he knew of any new information as to a possible new
adminstrator for NASA. His response was that the only two names he has
seen floated around DC have been Bill Nelson and Sally Ride. He
specifically had not heard anything new, nor that there was any action
on replacing Goldin. He said that these have been discussed since the
election. 

	It sounds like some trial balloons are in the air, likely
comments or opinions should be directed to the new administration. 

Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
(904) 644-4014		FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: NASA Administrator
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 10 Jan 93  11:22:06

Bill Nelson? Aaaarrrggghh!

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Space TV (was Re: Government-run programs  Was: Re: Justific...)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:50:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.172650.1@fnala.fnal.gov> higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:

>I thought the Sci-Fi Channel was planning to air a weekly news series
>like this, called "In Space" or "Into Space" or something like that.  

They do. It's on Sunday at 9:00 (an hour before The Prisoner).

To date, it has been pretty bad. The last two new episodes I saw had
nothing to do with space (or at least very little to do with it).

  Allen

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From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Lunar bill press kit
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 12 Jan 93  08:54:56

       Info Kits for Back to the Moon bill Available
-
Informational kits for the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act (also
known as the 'Back to the Moon bill') will be available on January
28. Anyone wishing a copy of the info packet, please e-mail your
snail mail address.
-
The Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act, to be introduced in the 103rd
Congress, will jump start the U.S. lunar exploration program by 
authorizing the government to purchase lunar science data from the 
private sector.
 
For more information, please call 714/524-1674.

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Jeremy and kindler, gentler democracy (was drivel about Deportations)
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  7 Jan 93 12:27:55 GMT

In <29949@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:

>Ghaza Strip: A place where little girls throw stones.

And big boys travel from it into Israel to stab civilians with big, long, 
sharp knives.

PS: Anyone who says throwing stones is harmless has never been on the
reveiving end of one (or several dozen)

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: What is this doing on page 15
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:47:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.081311.2623@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# In article <1i8phiINNa4k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll) writes:

# >I was reading the San Francisco Chronicle, when I saw this article.
# >Jan 1 1993

# >The story was about Egypts recent raids arresting el Islamiya members,
# >so far they have arrested over 700.

# >My question is:  Why is this on page 15?
# >                 Why isn't CNN covering this?
 
# Maybe you should watch more CNN. They already reported it.

	Where/when?  At the end of some newscast no one was watching?

# >Israel deports 415, it's on page 1 of every paper in the country, and the 
# >lead TV story.

# >Why doesn't Egypt punishing terrorists rate the same newsworthyness of 
# >Israel punishing terrorists?
 
# Beacuse FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, the deportation are against international law.

	And for the millionth time, that is simply not true.  Repeating
that lie does not make it true (even when repeated "FOR THE MILLIONTH
TIME"), and follows the Nazi pattern of the big lie.

	As WIlliam Safire (among others) has pointed out, such an action
is not against international law.  Thos countries that condemn it as
such are making POLITICAL statements, they are NOT making LEGAL ones.

# A state is free to arrest anybody, not only terrorists, it can CHARGE them, and
# TRY them, and IF found guilt PUNISH them? Arresting somebody is not a
# punishment, deporting them IS. Collective punishment, imposed randomly, without
# charge or trial is a violation of human rights.

	You are being misleading.  Israel is fighting a war with these
people that these people declared against Israel.  Israel is certainly
within their rights to defend herself whether you like it or not.

# Of course, non of this matters to you, all Israeli-apologists try to deflect
# the issue of how bad they are(considering the bragging about being a democracy)
# by pointing out how bad other people are. It is like being arrested for murder
# and ranting about how Manson, Bundy, and Dahmer are much worse than you are,
# you only killed a couple of people, therefore you should be patted on the back
# and told to go home.

	Wrong.  It is meant to show what kind of neighborhood Israel tries
to exist in.  Obviously, certain behaviour that is necessary in one
kind of environment is not allowed in others.

# >Can You say "hypocrisy" boys and girls?
 
# I.S.R.A.E.L.I. A.P.O.L.O.G.I.S.T.S. , is that close?

	Nope.  Israel does not need apologists since it has nothing to
apologize for.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Correction (Re: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.)
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 02:06:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211056.4530@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
> 
># I had a chance to get a first hand view at rock throwing techniques
># developed in the Daharia camp. 
>                   ^^^^^^^
>Ooops sorry, that should be Dhaeisha.

FUNNY. YOU THINK YOU ARE REALLY FUNNY?  YOU WISH SYMPATHY ON
THE HOLLOCOAST (sp?) CRIMES, BUT YOU MAKE FUN OF CRIMES DONE TO
THOSE MUJAHIDS.

TAKBIR.

>-Danny Keren.

jle
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jeremy and kindler, gentler democracy (was drivel about Deportations)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:12:20 GMT

In article <29949@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy  
Henderson) writes:
> In article <17810@umd5.umd.edu> spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon  
Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:
> ~
> ~Oh, but according to you,Jerry,  they have. If what you say is true ,  
then  
> ~the only thing the Israelis are guilty of is taking a page from the  
> ~domestic policy manual of the UK for Northern Ireland. 
> 
> It always gives me a good laugh to see comments on Northern Ireland from
> dimwits across the herring pond. Compare and contrast:
> 
> The Birmingham Six: Mistakenly imprisoned after a trial, later released  
after
> much public outrage and serious examination of the judicial system.
> 

Come on, Jerry. Even someone like yourself should know better than that.
"Mistakenly imprisoned"? That's what you call it when everyone from the  
arresting officer to the Crown Prosecutor for Northern Ireland falsifies  
evidence? There was no mistake involved. Criminal fraud perhaps, but no  
mistake. BTW, the Birmingham Six were released some years later (the  
coverup having been exposed ),and ,  if I recall correctly, after one of  
their number had already died in prison.
Oh yes, and how about those extrajudicial executions? You do remember  
Gibraltar, don't you? The way the SAS fully respected the human rights of  
those they suspected of being IRA terrorists?

cheers, Jerry.


jeff

cheers
Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:24698 soc.culture.arabic:6229
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:11:21 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan5.025223.1840@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>
># Isn't it your 'homeland' after all?
>
>	I did not realize Hymietown remarks were still in vogue.

I believe Tamar was referring to homeland in terms of birth place.
Isn't there more Jews in Miami than New York City, btw?
 
># And the 400+ deportees
># were *not* 'convicted' of "Working to overthrow the local government".
>
>	They only wanted to kill the Jews.

And of course, Israel has proved that.

Anisa
	"The best kind - angry, rebellious, critical - a renegade ..."

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.rights.human
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1993Jan11.235813.4396@bony1.bony.com>
	<EGGERTJ.93Jan11223636@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1993Jan13.001448.18361@bony1.bony.com>
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:50:07

In article <1993Jan13.001448.18361@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>   Israel has treated Arab terrorists and murderous Islamic
>   Fundaentalists extremely gently, certainly much more delicately than
>   these same terrorists and murderers have treated their many victims
>   over the years.

I guess you don't get it.  I don't think that many westerners are
asking that Israel be gentle to the terrorists.  That is not the
issue.  As far as I care, Israel can try, convict, and execute them.
As long as justice is served.  But justice was not served by deporting
them without hearing or trial, against international law and common
morals.

>   You seem to agree that passions for murdering Jews still exist among
>   Arabs in the Middle East.  At least there is SOMETHING that you can
>   still see!

Indeed.

>  ...It is entirely logical to go
>   after the people who preach about, plan and perform these murders.
>   Whose logic is flawed now, Jim? 

It is logical as long as the means are correct.  One could easily go
after terrorists with an atom bomb (well within Israel's capability).
But that wouldn't make sense.  One could go after terrorists by
instituting a policy of arbitrary deportation.  That is what Israel
has apparently done.  It also doesn't make sense.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: bernard stone
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:05:10 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.23.70

In article 6434@ennews.eas.asu.edu, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>In article <1ij7idINN87e@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:

># However, I do know a little about history and I believe that Stone's
># book is loaded with biased and sometimes blatantly false history.
># It doesn't help his legal credibility any.

>	Similar to what I said above, all we need to do is switch some
>stuff around, and what do we have?  The nets own aborigine.

Kindly explain the last sentence.

>makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu

Brendan.

Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:24780 talk.politics.soviet:10247 soc.rights.human:4726
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Historical and Traditional Armenian Barbarism.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:23:15 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1993Jan5.011603.19005@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>	in most aspects. Remember how similar
>	are Greeks' anti-Macedonian flames with Mutlu

But the problem is: you have no credibility, "virvir". You remind
me of an old Sufi story. Well, never mind. Now any comment?

Nagorno-Karabagh Victims Buried in Azerbaijani Town :

"Refugees Claim Hundreds died in Armenian Attack...Of seven bodies seen 
 here today, two were children and three were women, one shot through 
 the chest at what appeared to be close range.  Another 120 refugees 
 being treated at Agdam's hospital include many with multiple stab 
 wounds."
 Thomas Goltz
 The Washington Post, 2/28/92

Armenians Burn Azeri Village in New Unrest:

"Armenian guerillas attacked a strategic Azeri village...in Nagorno-Karabagh 
 and burned it to the ground on Tuesday, Commonwealth television reported. 
 Channel one television said the village of Malybeili, in the Khodzhalin 
 district, was now cut off and a large number of wounded were left stranded.  
 Itar-Tass news agency said several people were killed and 20 wounded in 
 the attack on the village... Tass also said shells fired from Armenian 
 villages into the Azeri populated town of Susha, just 6 miles south of 
 Stepenakert, demolished two houses and damaged five others...Fierce fighting 
 flared two weeks ago following the crash of an Azeri helicopter in Karabagh 
 in which 40 people died." (Reuters)
 Turkish Daily News, 2/12/92

CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh :

"Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle 
 on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians 
 overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the 
 area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying 
 and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."
 Helen Womack
 The Independent, 2/29/92

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)


Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,sci.lang
From: mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finnis tribe?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date:  6 Jan 93 12:02:53 GMT

In <1993Jan4.072800.28087@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>One should not mic language and reace, but still anyone visiting Finland
>can notice that many finns have "asiatic" looks a little. And some years
>ago a scinetist by blood terst proved, that the finns have "asian factors"
>in blood. I however do not remember the name of the man, a finn however.

There are indeed certain genes common to asiatic peoples that finns have
and our germanic neighbours haven't. But you cannot *see* these genes, Jarmo
dear, as they don't affect appearance in any way. The "asiatic" figures that
you may come across to in Finland are a result of intermarriages between the
saami (who, although speak a language related to finnish, share a completely
different genetic heritage) and finns, which is evident especially in the
north.

Don't get me wrong; I have nothing against asiatic looks, and I would wel-
come turks and koreans as my relatives, if only it were so. But our asiatic
heritage is buried deep below the germanic, baltic and russian influence.
So deep that it leaves no trace on the surface.

--
Antti Lahelma		GNOTHI SEAUTON
mtf@saha.hut.fi		 TUNNE ITSESI	"Jumalat ovat pakanoille suosiollisia"
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: What is this doing on page 15
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:33:25 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1i8tuoINNcj8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll) writes:
>The Hamas leaders were guilty of many 
>violent acts, and it was within Israel's right to deport them.


Have you yet proven that the people that were deported were:

	[a] Hamas leaders?
	[b] The specific Hamas leaders who committed the
            violent acts you mentioned above?

Until you do so you are a supporter of collective punishment
for Arabs.


Basalat Ali Raja.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast