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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Virginia Schedule (was Re: Virginia WINS) 
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171642.28092@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>
>Virginia also has a long history with Navy, but that seems to me like
>the school to drop altogether. Tech stays, of course. I think they 
>should play VMI and W&M in alternating years, and use the third slot
>for what looks to be a good team from a major confercence. (Identifying
>"good" is a bit of a crap shoot. Virginia played Kansas a few years 
>ago. If they kept up a series, that out-of conference schedule would
>look a lot better this year. For the flip side, see Arkansas again).
>That should give them only one true patsy every year, and two decent-to
>very tough games, depending on how good Tech and the other opponent
>are. 
>


I'd like to see us keep Virginia Tech, William and Mary and then one
good non-conference team. As I said in an earlier post, I saw Texas
on the schedule for 1995. I don't know if this is a planned series or
a one-shot deal, but it's a better opponent than Navy. I've always liked
the William and Mary game - the two schools have a lot of similarities,
the Tribe generally have one of the better I-AA teams and generally the
game is a lot of fun. Virginia also has a long tradition of playing 
VMI in all sports - it was a VMI baseball series that produced the
nickname "Wahoos". So, perhaps alternating VMI and W&M is a good idea.




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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State fans have a lot of excuses
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:15:37 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research

In article <1992Oct6.132743.3543@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:


>  This is not a flame; it is an observation.  So please, nobody take extreme
>  umbrage at this.  :^)

>  I have seen more excuses/analysis over TOSU's loss to Wisconsin than I've
>  seen for about any other game.  Why?  It seems to me the TOSU fans on the
>  net are very analytical when it comes to football, and they always have
>  some sort of an excuse for bad play.

Well, one man's excuse is another man's explanation...

>  How about this:  "Ohio State sucked last week".  Short, concise, and
>  accurate...

Hey, I don't think you'd get any argument with that.  In fact, most
of the OSU posts I've seen have said exactly this.  It may be short,
consice, and accurate, but it doesn't explain why (read "it doesn't allow
us to complain about Cooper" :-)).

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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford banned again
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:34:55 GMT

wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

>In article <aelman.717788026@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:

>>
>>If you think the Stanford Band's humor is sophomoric, and you have
>>lots of better ideas for shows, tell me -- we're always looking for
>>good show ideas, and I'm perfectly willing to suggest good ones.  If
>>you just don't like the idea of a band which makes fun of things
>>instead of marching military-style around the field like good little
>                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>fascists, then stay away from Stanford football.  Or at least take a
>^^^^^^^^^
>>bathroom break at halftime. :-)
>>
>>Adam Elman
>>aelman@cs.stanford.edu
>>
>>P.S. Don't get me wrong -- I appreciate a good traditional marching
>>band as much as the next guy.  But I think what we do gives a bit of
>>variety to the game that you just don't get from traditional bands.

>I am certainly amused about the irony of the Stanfurd band wanting to
>avoid cultivating a fascist image, considering that Stanfurd epitomizes
>elitism and the values of Social Darwinism of which I am sure
>Leland Stanford was an advocate of.  

>Heck, the Stanfurd students recognized this when they voted to have
>"Robber Barons" be the nickname for the team until the university
>stepped in and made them the Cardinal.  

>William F. Tell
>UC Berkeley
>yeah, and we don't like paying extra $$$ for big game tickets to 
>pay for Bill Walsh's salary.  

I won't even bother to respond to the first two paragraphs except to
say that if there are a lot of rich elitist snobs at Stanford, I sure
haven't found them.

As far as the last, excuse me, but isn't Big Game at Cal this year?
So doesn't the Cal athletic department set ticket prices?

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: biff@athena.mit.edu (Adam B Cotner)
Subject: Re: Stanford!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:46:30 GMT

In article <1amlkhINNsmc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox) writes:

|> Actually, I am a Cane fan!!  'Canes #1!!!!!

...sorry you will have to watch Penn State crush Miami next week.

adam

p.s. should be a heck of a game.
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:17:05 GMT

Randy Peppler writes:

>    As for (c), I've actually heard quite the opposite over the
>    years, as in Purdue's is top-notch and ND's is overrated.  Most
>    of those groups that rate such things agree about this...

Let's face it guys, any domer who claims that Notre Dame is even on par with 
Purdue for engineering is fooling him/herself.  Notre Dame is stonger in 
liberal arts than Purdue, but that stands to reason since IU is the public 
university with the strength in liberal arts in Indiana.  That said, let's talk
about the football game.

>    There's nothing worse than a sore winner, and a coach who puts
>    his starting defense back in at the end to preserve a shutout...

After handling the Purdue linebackers, I'm sure more than one Notre Dame 
offensive lineman was sore after this game.  What is #40's name?  I thought he 
had a great game.  (I also think he needs to buy a vowel . . .)

As for the first string defense playing late in the game, I wasn't even aware 
that Lou did that.  (I saw the second half at 4:00 am and was fast-forwrding 
between plays so I don't even know who was on the field.)  But in Lou's 
defense, Purdue's last drive was the only one in which the defense could play 
at their own goal line.  This was due to two things - first, Purdue's offense 
(as a whole) stunk.  I thought both quarterbacks played well, but they weren't 
eactly helped by their receivers.  Second, Notre Dame's punting units were
incredible!  Hentrich was just plain Hentrich.  He will play in the pros.  But 
the real surprise this season has been Rick Mirer punting the short ones!  I 
was serripous when I suggested that he should get some Heisman consideration 
for his contributions as the pooch-punter!  I think that in three tries he has 
knocked the ball inside the ten twice and inside the fifteen all three times!

While Reggie Brooks had a helluva game, I thought Mirer and Hentrich should 
have been co-MVPs for Notre dame since I think the biggest reason Purdue failed
to score was Notre Dame's punting.

    - Pat
.
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From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best Marching Band -- Blue Band ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92273.112426JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu (John Johnson) writes:
>In my understanding, the Penn State Marching Blue Band is one of the best.
>They've got a good sound (if they're facing me in the student section and not
>just bouncing off the alumni), and their pre-game show is great.  They can
>certainly high-step with the best of them.  They've also been getting a little
>less rigid with their halftime shows, like a week or two ago when they played
 ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
>'I can't dance' and marched in a goofy step reminiscent of the video.

   Glad to see someone else agrees with me on this.  Last year I posted
an article describing how unemotionally the Blue Band played rock, and I
was royally flamed by PSU fans.  You simply can't perform rock music
without moving to the music; otherwise you're just playing a bunch of
mechicanical notes.  It's impossible to play the rock without the roll.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu 

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Best marching band: Southern Illinois (not UW )
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:32:00 GMT

In article <BvF41u.6n5@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>>So what is that comment supposed to mean?  Whate ARE other Big 10 band like,
>>>anyway???  Just curious...
>>	I already told everyone - they're all basically the same...
>>	Oh, they all have their own little traditional quirk, like
>>	the 5th Quarter, the "Dotting of the 'i'", the Chief, the
>>	"World's Largest Drum", etc., but when they're playing the routine
>>	halftime show, there isn't much difference.  I should know.
>>	I've seen them all at one time or another the past 21 years...
>
>So what's wrong with that?  I don't see any problem with traditions!  And for
>the record, every half time show isn't the same.  We (at Illinois) do a LARGE
>variety of things during the half-time shows.  We've done a spanish show, 
>cortoon shows, circus shows, salute to Big-10 shows, movie shows, movie hero
>shows, etc...  The list goes on and on.  So before you go ahead and make some
>generalizations about Big-10 bands, got the facts first.

	What?  I didn't say there was anything wrong with traditions, and
	I'm well aware that each band (not just Illinois') has different,
	and sometimes interesting shows every week.  I said that style-
	wise, there isn't that much difference.  That's what the person
	before was getting at.  There's no MOB or LSJ...UMB in the Big Ten...
	No wackiness or anything like that.  There's 11 serious bands in
	the Big Ten, though Wisconsin is probably the furthest out on the
	edge somewhere.  The Northwestern band always looks like it's
	having the most fun...

	Stanford brought its mighty band to Purdue two years in a row,
	I believe, in 1981-82 during the Elway era, and they performed
	these great shows at Purdue's outdoor band shell and during the
	halftimes.  We all thought they were great, and this was (and is)
	good old conservative Purdue we're talking about...

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Glenn Tanner Outdoors (was Re: SMU defeats TCU, eyes Cotton)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:45:22 GMT
Organization: Chevron

exurlsr@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>Glenn Tanner writes:
>>Inspired by a pre-game castaration of a live horned frog, the SMU Mustangs
>>pounded TCU 21-9 at Ownby Stadium Saturday in a pivotal SWC showdown.  Led
>>by darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan Freiburger, who completed 31 of 
>>51 passes for 372 yards and 2 TDs, the Ponies won their third consecutive game
>>and remained unbeaten in the SWC.
>>
>>SMU, which now has a share of the SWC lead,was adamant about not relinquishing
>>it.  "We've got to go to Waco next week, so we're already thinking about the
>>Baylor Bears," defensive lineman Kenny "Sugar" Rea said.  "But we've got A&M
>>coming to our place in a game which will mean Cotton.  We really think we can
>>beat them.  We think they're the worst Top 5 team in the country."
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>GT
>
>
>Oh no, here we go again.  A&M the worst top 5 team in the country???   
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Granted SMU is the second best team in the SWC  (of course A&M is best), but
>they have the Heisman candidate, and you know how we like those.  Dandy dan 
>better tone it down if SMU wants to win.
>
>Go Aggies

Congrats GLENNY T!!!

I presume you have a space cleared over the mantle for Robert 'the lunker' 
Lightweight, right?


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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Washington 17, USC 10
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:56:13 GMT



Well...the game's over, Washington won 17 to 10. USC fought hard and
should definitely move up in the poll standings. Washington's defense was
excellent, but the offense was horrible. Washington was unable to do 
ANYTHING with their offense. All of Washington's points came from defensive
related plays (turnovers, etc.). I credit the poor performance of 
Washington's defense to the defense of USC. In any case, Washington still
came away with a win. 
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 22:10:33 CDT
From: <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject:    Penn State TV Appreance Schedule?

Could any loyal Penn State fan in State College kindly post Nittany Lion's TV
appreance schedule, please.     Thanks in advance.

Remen
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Canes/FSU
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:44:52 GMT

To start off I'm not going to make excuses for the Canes lackluster
performance against Arizona. They always have at least one bad game
every year against a lesser opponent where they just go through the
motions and I'll just accept that that is what happened Saturday. 

Now if anyone thinks that the Canes won't be focused on FSU this 
weekend, you've got another thing coming. 

Charlie Ward has never played against a defense with as much speed
and capacity for mayhem in his brief starters role as he will see
this Saturday. I guarantee the Hurricane football team that shows
up this Saturday will not be the same sleepwalkers that played last
Saturday.

He'll be lucky to get out of the OB with just 5 interceptions. 
The Canes defense will be gunning for him on every down. I
seriously doubt that he will finish the game for the Noles. My prediction
Canes 41 FSU 17 and I feel I'm being benevolent to FSU here.

John T.


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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Best Marching Band -- Blue Band ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:30:23 GMT

Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <92273.112426JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu>, John Johnson
><JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>>Penn State does have a music major available.
>Ironically, music majors generally don't have TIME for marching band. Strange
>but true.

Not to strange, but not too true either.  This may be the case for Penn State,
but not here at Illinois.  Last year, the music majors in our band out numbered
the engineers... and there are a lot of engineers in our band.


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								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  	       Marching Illini
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: lbaum@bcsaic.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami still number 1?
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:48:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

Well, we did not get to see the game here, but given Miami's
near miss (8-7 with Ariz. missing a last-second FG by inches)
at home against a not particularly great Arizona team, is
there any justification for ranking them #1?  
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From: lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:44:08 GMT

In article <92275.205414MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) writes:
>Once again, Pat, you are incorrect. Penn State is quite obviously NOT a Big
>Ten team this season, or they would not be playing in the Blockbuster Bowl,
>which IS part of the Coalition (although it is a minor part of the second
>tier).

Yeah Pat, I think you have Penn State mixed up with the Big East conference.
You know, they're the conference who's champion will only play two 
conference games this year but is given.  The Big Ten won't let Penn State
claim the league championship if they finish higher than any other Big Ten
team (and Penn State rightfully won't have to share their bowl revenue
with the Big Ten).

I didn't here you complaining about how ND by-passed the NCAA and accept
and early sugar bowl bid (when their was a rule against it)... but of course
the NCAA was getting bigger than the game itself and Notre Dame had to
set it straight.


>
>For this season, Penn State is an independent, and the Big Ten didn't tell
>them anything about where they could go.
>
>Let's look and see what would happen if East Carolina (another independent
>team) ended the season undefeated. Can you determine which bowl game they'd
>be going to? There don't seem to be any spots in the major bowl games
>for independent, non-Catholic football teams, now do there?
>
>For the last time, the Big Ten doesn't have anything to do with Penn State's
>bowl situation, except for the fact that the Coalition *may* have not cared
>about excluding Penn State for only one year, given the greater good.
>----
>Mike Dahmus       MXD118@PSUVM  or  dahmus@cs.psu.edu
>TEAM OS/2



John L
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami - FSU
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:31:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvKBp3.DEF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Miami has just reaffirmed itself as the #1 team in the country
by defeating Florida State in an exciting battle at the Orange
Bowl.

Miami 19
FSU   16   Final
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 10:36:55 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who is number 1?
 <6OCT199212545953@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>

After this Saturday when Cal upsets Washington and Penn State does the same
to Miami, Penn State should then be ranked #1!!
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: San Diego St. will beat UCLA
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.183912.7283@cerritos.edu> jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:
> How many of us are going to watch San Diego State run all around UCLA on
> Saturday? It should be quite a track meet as well as an air show:)
> 
> Karl
>  
> ________________________________________________________________________________Karl Jacobs - Jacobs@cerritos.edu
> 

Track results:
Daron Washington and Kevin Williams ran "all around SDSU" (-:
UCLA had 330 yards rushing to SDSUs 142

Air show results:
LaChapelle caught his first touchdown pass of the season!!
Stokes caught his second of the season

Before Marshall Faulk scored his TD in the 4th quarter, he had
only 68 yards to that point! 
UCLA has a GREAT defense, I was impressed

Carlton Gray (DB) is going to be a a high first round pick in the
next NFL draft, he was awesome Saturday

If anyone missed this on TV, it was just a helleva show by the Bruins

chris
UCLA alumni
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:42:07 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <BvnrEq.Aqn@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <92277.212850RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>| Hey, I'm a HUGE Penn State fan, too, and I'd love to see it happen.  But,
>| even if we do go 11-0, Michigan's still going to be in the way.  We would
>| need UCLA to play Michigan and have UCLA win...Michigan is the No. 1 team in
>| football right now - both by my rankings and the computer rankings!!!!!!
>| The Big 10 is tough! 
>
>The Big 10, is the most over rated conference in football.  In non-conference
>games they have a losing record.  This year and every year.
>
I'm getting a little tired of the Big10 bashing. Yes, our out-of-
conference record is abysmal. But we've played very good
teams: Notre Dame four times, Colorado twice, Boston College twice, Miami, 
North Carolina State, Syracuse, California, Stanford, and Washington. 14
top25 teams out of a possible 31 spots. I'm not even counting Penn State. 
Even Northwestern, the perennial doormat of the conference, played 
Notre Dame, Stanford and Boston College this year. Yes, the Big10
isn't as strong as the Pac10 or the SEC and I don't know anybody
who says otherwise, but I wouldn't call them
overrated... How many top 25 teams does the SEC play out of conference?
I count TexasA&M (LSU), Florida State (Florida), Georgia Tech (Georgia)
and Clemson (South Carolina) and this with a conference with 12 members.
How many div I-AA teams? I know, I know... The SEC is so tough that 
their out-of-conference schedule is the only time to rest up. But how 
do you know the SEC is tough? Well because of their out-of-conference 
record! It's a circular argument! 

-bob
a Michigan fan
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