From: an827@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Ark.... Nipples & Size
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:35:32 GMT

Erk.  Me again.... the last post got chopped up!  The anonymous
posting service assumed the dash characters on the next line ment
the start of a signature... and removed the rest of the post....

Here it is in full this time (hopefully).... ah life eh!!!!!!!


[POST BEGINS]


Hello there & hugs all,

Although I've been reading rec.arts.bodyart for a while now there are a
few things I've been wanting to say, of a slightly embarressing nature!
(I'm sure you'll understand why when you read the rest of the e-mail.)
So its fortunate that I discovered this anonymous posting service....
This is going to probably sound a bit of an unusual/wierd post, but please
take it seriously I'm not joking you.  You can actually e-mail to me
via the above address, which will get forwarded to my normal account.

I am a transsexual (male to female), post operative (i.e. I haven't had
'the op.') and not yet even on hormones (hmph.. therefore I'm still loosing
hair and obviously don't have breasts yet.)  I also haven't transitioned
just yet so I'm not living as a female in normal life, but unfortunately
as a boring drab male. :-(

I dearly want some piercings, always have done (its a VERY VERY big fetish of
mine, probably bigger for me than sex [not had any of that though so I guess
I can't be completely sure]) and I didn't realise that people still actually got
piercings other than ears/nose until the past few months!  I certainly
didn't realise that professional piercers even existed.

[FLAME AGAINST SOCIETY (especially in UK) BEGINS]

(The Main Question In This Post Follows The Flame)

Unfortunately I am in a profession where piercings are not very acceptable,
a Computing & Electronics Engineering Undergraduate still at University in
that stuck up annoying suprisingly undemocrating place called England, and
am just looking to finish my last year next October.  Infact, would you
believe it, I was the first 'male' (I use that word losely) engineering
undergraduate student here to actually have an earring.  I took a year out in
industry with IBM in Portsmouth last year, and during that year I got an ear
done (that was my first piercing.)  I did get an awful lot of funny looks and
comments I must say, as I was the only 'male' employee there to have one,
what REALLY agrivated me was that the clothing and piercing attitude barely
seemed to apply to the women working there who were allowed a very large
freedom with looks.... one girl I was working with there even had multiple
nose piercings.  Grrrrr....  Not fair.....

Since I left IBM and returned to University I said "sod 'em all" and got
some more piercings that I wanted.... so I now have two on either ear
("oh my, shock horror, not only does a 'male' engineering student here have
earings... they have matching numbers of earings in either ear, dear me").
I wish I could 'enjoy' my fetish as I want to (for gods sake I can't enjoy
much else in my life at the moment with the difficulties of my gender
problems and sexual problems) and get some more piercings.... but it
seems society doesn't accept "that sort of thing" here in my profession.
I'd dearly love a nose stud, but whilst having to live as 'male'self
at the moment I'll have to drop that one.  Grrrr......  I hope to eventually
change to another profession anyway one day, but unfortunately I lead the
pretty much standard unsocial computer geek younger life - so I don't know
a great deal about any other forms of employment.

[FLAME ENDS]

QUESTION:

Right.  I have decided to, at some point, get my nipples pierced.  Within
the comming years I hope I will be able to go on hormones, and therefore
begin to grow breasts.  One of the main complaints from other transsexuals
with the results of the hormones is the poor size increase of the nipples.
It occured to me that I could combine my great want/fetish with a small
problem here.... and see if I could increase my nipple size with having them
pierced.  I appeal to the wide spread of knowledge on rec.arts.bodyart
for advice on whether it would be best to get the piercings before going on
hormones, or afterwards when they have finished growing?  One concern
is that I am told that the nipples can get quite sore during the breast
growth.....

Any advice would be dearly appreciated.

(If you don't want to drop the answers into rec.arts.bodyart, you can
 send a reply to the address above as the anonymous posting service
 will forward it to me.)

Thanks again.


Love 'n' Hugs,
        Julie XXXXX
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