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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: ansipc terminfo problems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:31:42 GMT

Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
: 
: > eddy keller (ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU) wrote:
: > : ansipc) the settings are completely off.  The reverse
: > : video does not reset when a non highlighted selection is
: > : selected.  Has anyone out there run into similar problems
: > : with ansipc?  Is there an upgraded terminfo entry?
: > 
: > We've all got this problem.  There is no fix I know of as yet.
: > If it's just terminfo, I'm pretty handy with vt100/ansi emulation,
: > so I'll take a look and see what's wrong.
: 
: I just set mine to vt100 and all the problems went away.

Here again the newest version of an working terminfo entry for ansipc:

ap|ansipc|ansi personal computer,
	bw, am, cols#80, lines#24, it#8, xmc#0,
	bel=^G, cr=^M, csr=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dr, 
	clear=\E[2O, el=\E[K, ed=\E[O, hpa=\E[%i%p1%d`, cup=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dH,
	cud1=\E[B, civis=\E[1v, cub1=\E[D, cnorm=\E[v, cuf1=\E[C, cuu1=\E[A, 
	cvvis=\E[v, dl1=\E[M, blink=\E[5m, bold=\E[1m, rev=\E[7m,
	smso=\E[7m, rmso=\E[m, smul=\E[4m, rmul=\E[m, sgr0=\E[m,
	is1=\E[1;1f\E[m, il1=\E[L, kbs=^H, kdch1=\E[P, kcud1=\E[B,
	khome=\E[H, kich1=\E[@, kll=\E[24H, kcub1=\E[D, knp=\E[U, kpp=\E[V,
	kcuf1=\E[C, kcuu1=\E[A, nel=^M^J, rs1=\E>, rc=\E8, vpa=\E[%i%p1%dd,
	kf1=\E[1x, kf2=\E[2x, kf3=\E[3x, kf4=\E[4x, kf5=\E[5x,
	kf6=\E[6x, kf7=\E[7x, kf8=\E[8x, kf9=\E[9x, kf10=\E[0x,
	sc=\E7, ind=\E[S, ri=\E[T,
	acsc=a\260f\370j\331k\277l\332m\300n\305q\304t\303u\264v\301w\302x\263~\372,

Thanks to all who reported problems and helps me to get them fixed.
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: W-News Help Needed
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:52:41 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
: here. Please sort your active file until Fred v. Kempen distributes
: his next release, where my fixes are merged. Here an example, of what goes
: wrong:


Ah!  I guessed it might be something with parsing.  Thanks for the fix!

-Louis
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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: keyupd woes
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:41:13 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> I just tried to install the keyboard patch and it messed up my system big
 time.
> I've been using the US virtual keyboard, and it loads w/o problem, but with
> only console enabled. I have arrow keys and so forth, but no virtuals.

If you are running a virtual console kernel, you can not have an
enabled console entry in /etc/ttys.

> I carefully followed the README. When I booted testcoh, I got a failure of
> the virtual keyboard loading "ioctl() failed, errno=22", but fsck ran and I
> got the logon prompt.

You have gone from a loadable keyboard to a non-loadable one. Since it still
attempts to load the old table you were using, the ioctl() message is the
result. This is harmless.

> I loaded a program, then hit ctrl . and got another logon prompt. Great, I
> thought. I ran something (a man page), hit ctrl . and was back at the other
> program. All was well until I tried ctrl 1. I got a logon prompt, but the
> system had frozen and nothing would do but hit the reset switch.

What are the contents of /etc/ttys ?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: Re: ansipc terminfo problems
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:31:50 GMT

In article <9211176157@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
>: I just set mine to vt100 and all the problems went away.
>
>I think this might be a problem with minicom rather than Coh.
>
>The problem was reverse video screwing up.  Before I go digging
>into the unknown, has anyone had the screen screw up outside of
>minicom?  (Like you're using VI over the modem on another system,
>and the reverse video messes up, but it's not minicom you're using).

I've had a similar problem logging onto this host using ckermit (cku185).
I found that sometimes when I call in the host sets TERM to su (whatever
that is) vs vt102. When that happened, if I used elm the video would go 
black-on-black and I would have to logoff and reboot to restore.

This doesn't happen if I set TERM to vt102 when I logon the host.

Timothy. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: mono and color
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:45:07 GMT

Can someone tell me what the secret is when switching ( upgrading ) from mono
to vga monitors. What else must be changed apart from /etc/ttys in order for
the new screen to work. I am currently running mono, Hercules mono card.
However, when I plug in a vga card and monitor, after the boot up messages,
nothing. The 'normal' mono text is lost and the poor old vga screen just sits
there. I hope this does not mean a re-installation? It would be nice if MWC
actually LISTED the tunable parameters in the kernal if that is what it takes.
ta much
Bob.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Max UUCP throughput with T2500
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov19.184250.23760@spectrum.xerox.com> dpmoersc@spot.wrc.xerox.com (David Szlucha) writes:
>I'm thinking about getting Coherent to bring in usenet and email to my bbs. I
>have a few questions. What is the maximum throughput that can be achived with
a Telebit T2500 using the UUCP protocol? What BBS's will run under Coherent?
Canuser access to the shell be timed? Thanks.

I have a T2500 running at 19200 baud.  Maximum outgoing data is about 1100 cps.
Maximum incoming rate is about 950 cps.  This is with PEP and UUCP spoofing.
Data rate with V.32 is about 900+ cps.

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Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: ansipc terminfo problems
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:03:13 GMT
Reply-To: ekeller@calstatela.edu
Organization: ATS - CalState Los Angeles

In article <9211176157@drktowr.chi.il.us>, magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
|> Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
|> : I just set mine to vt100 and all the problems went away.
|> 
|> I think this might be a problem with minicom rather than Coh.
|> 
|> The problem was reverse video screwing up.  Before I go digging
|> into the unknown, has anyone had the screen screw up outside of
|> minicom?  (Like you're using VI over the modem on another system,
|> and the reverse video messes up, but it's not minicom you're using).
|> 
|> I have a feeling this is a problem with the port since I used
|> minicom on Minix before, and I didn't have any problems.
|> 
|> -Louis
|> --
|> ---------------------------------------------------------
|>  Louis J. Giliberto, Jr.   ! magus@drktowr.chi.il.us
|>    -sysadmin drktowr       ! lgilibe@orion.it.luc.edu
|>   Chicago, IL  USA         ! 
|> ---------------------------------------------------------

I don't have problems with minicom.  I originally posted
my ansipc problem/question because I have some binaries
that were compiled under SCO that do not display correctly
when running them from the console (TERM=ansipc). The reverse
video and normal video do not get set/reset correctly.
If I connect a vt100 terminal to the serial port the application 
runs (displays) just fine.  I put the updated ansipc terminfo 
(supplied by Udo Munk - thanks Udo!) in but I still have the 
same display problems.  Setting the TERM to vt100 corrects the 
reverse/normal video problems but then I lose control of the
cursor keys.  
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Phone: (213) 343-2717                  California State University, Los Angeles
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From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Com port troubles..very confusing..
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:02:18 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote:
: I'm getting very frustrated with my system. :-)  Suddenly, without
: any apparent reason, my uucico cannot dial out anymore. 
[rest deleted]

check out ownership and access permission of /dev/com* (of the port
you connect your modem(s)). The port must be accessible by the user
who run uucico.

--
Kenji Rikitake, cyberspace samurai
<kenji@tom.astem.or.jp> <kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp> <...!uunet!reseau!kenji>
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: Mark_Ward@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Ward)
Subject: Coherent & Coconet?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:34:57 GMT

        Hi i am new to this news group.  I am starting a BBS and would like
to go graphical.  However I have a few reservations.  I like the Coconet BBS
software but have no Unix or C programming skills.  I heard that Coherent is
a unix clone that will work with Coconet.  This is great as the cost of
buying Unix is too much for me.  I also heard that Coherent has some
problems.  What i would like to know is will I be able to set this bbs up
using coherent without having any Unix or programming training?  I'm pretty
smart and pick things up fast but is that good enough to set up a multi-line
top notch BBS?
Any input from anyone would be usefull.  Thanks Mark.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: k3eq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Trent D'Arby)
Subject: Anyone using Scheme on Coherent ???????
Summary: Scheme on Coherent??
Keywords: LISP, Scheme, Coherent
Organization: University of New Brunswick
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:22:18 GMT

Is the language Scheme or any other LISP (or LISP dialect)
available for Coherent??

I know of a Coh implementation of Prolog, but what about Scheme.

I guess I should do well with the Micro-Emacs editor 'me' available.
However, I am not sure how the stack (memory) restrictions will 
affect the implementation.

I intend to fish around for the UNIX sources and attempt a port
at some time - but was just wondering if there was one already available.

Any pointers appreciated.

Thanks.


# Trent D'Arby                  	k3eq@unb.ca [VM/MUSIC]
# FACULTY of Computer Science		k3eq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca [UNIX]
# University of New Brunswick 		I AM saving a tree! I'm using e-mail! 
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From: michel.renaud@synapse.org (Michel Renaud) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Device driver kit 
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: michel.renaud@synapse.org (Michel Renaud) 

To: comp.os.coherent 
From: michel.renaud@synapse.org 
 
Hi all... 
 
I was confused by a few messages I recently read in this newsgroup.  
Being from the MS-DOS world (although my home PC is only running OS/2  
2.0 and Coherent 4.0), I understand device drivers as being special 
"programs" loaded at boot time and that allow accessing special  
devices like network cards, etc...  Reading about the  
"not-yet-released" device driver kit for Coherent 4.0, it seems that  
it is supposed to be more than that.  Is it some sort of SDK required  
to create any "worth talking about" programs or what? 
 
==================================== 
Michel Renaud - Hull, QC, Canada 
Internet: michel.renaud@synapse.org 
==================================== 
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From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Com port troubles..very confusing..
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:04:11 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

I'm getting very frustrated with my system. :-)  Suddenly, without
any apparent reason, my uucico cannot dial out anymore.  I have
cranked up the debug level and I can only get it to say "line problem".
I remembered in the past that I got this error when all of the baud
rates in the various config files didn't agree.  However, this should
not be the case as I haven't changed anything and it worked yesterday!

When I invoke uucico, it:

disables the port
sends the init string to the modem
immediately (1 second later) enables the port again
says that I have a "line problem"
Abnormal completion

I would appreciate any help from you guys.  I'm starting to worry
about filling up my spool space on my newsfeed site...sigh....

The really weird part is that ckermit has no problems at all using
the port/modem.  I'm using it now to dial into my feed site and
type this message...

Confused,

Chris
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: lint (was Re: various questions)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:26:35 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: :
: : Lint may not be ported, because it's a copyrighted program from USL, which
: : is part of UNIX System V. Seems that there is no public domain or freeware
: : version available. If someone knows about a commercial version, which comes
: : with sources and is under $100 please let me know. I would take a look
: : at it and try to port it to COHERENT.
: :
: 
: There is a company called Gimpel Software that sells lint in shrouded
: source form for compilation on Unix systems with K&R compilers.  I
: think the prices for the unix versions are more like $700.  If you are
: interested in contacting them:
: 
: Gimpel Software
: 3207 Hogarth Lane
: Collegeville PA 19426 
: USA
: 
: 215-584-4261
: 215-584-4266 (fax)

Thanks for the info!
I've seen shrouded sources, that's nothing what I'll try to port ;-)
What I could do is ask them about not shrouded sources to port it
to COHERENT, after that they could shroud the source again.
Also I don't think that COHERENT users wants to spend $700 or more
for an lint, or am I wrong?
Does anyone else know about an cheaper lint, where I could get the
sources for an COHERENT port?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9211202320.AA01986@PCS.CNU.EDU> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>
>	Building the graphics engine into the kernel doesn't require the
>details of each card to be included any more than it does if the engine
>is separate like X.  The only difference is that it is now a kernel
>process that always gets the horsepower it needs.  I/O and system tasks
>are atomic and run to completion (though disk I/O can be preempted for
>obvious reasons...).  The basic UNIX scheduler is not designed to handle
>something like a graphics server.  What I am talking about would still
>use graphics drivers but would not run as a user process.

This is all well and good assuming that you want graphics, and that you
want the kernel to have still more bloat.

It would defeat the purpose of a multitasking machine if the interface
always overwhelmed other processes on the system.  Most UNIX systems
come with a nice utility to control process scheduling.

>	If I'm not mistaken, the approach I'm talking about is being
>used for PowerPC, some versions of Mach, the Apple Macintosh, and
>Windows NT.  OS/2 2.0 has hooks in its OS for the graphics engine.  If
>you design a kernel with the graphics system in mind its going to be
>better.  The UNIX kernel was not so until it gets changed it won't run
>graphics as well as it could.

The PowerPC is A/UX with Multifinder and a Mac emulation running on top.

Mach gives you the basic core of a kernel,  everything else must be
provided by the OS emulation that rides on top of it.

The Mac is designed to give the GUI the highest priority.  It is also
difficult to program for.

Windows NT is a large bloated mess with Windows 3.1 running on top as
a user shell.

OS2/2.0 still requires loadable graphics drivers for SVGA support.

There seem to be an awful lot of satisfied users of graphics on UNIX
boxes.

>	It occurs to me that you could still make X a user process if you
>just had graphics primitives built in to the kernel.  That way you wouldn't
>be stuck with X.  This would also make it work on differing architectures.
>While my PC doesn't have a frame buffer mapped to memory like a Sparc or
>something (or mapped to a /dev/ entry) it is possible.  GNU C maps the
>graphics card buffer as a single 1 meg address space in upper memory
>allowing you to access it just like a Mac or a UNIX box.  No more stupid
>segment swapping.  This might help promote better motherboards too.  I'd
>like to see a 386/486 class motherboard that was designed to be a good
>motherboard and not a good DOS motherboard.  That might take awhile but
>maybe DOS will die someday...


You must be referring to GNU C as it was ported to MSDOS.  In it's other
incarnations, it doesn't have specific graphics support.  On UNIX systems
that is left up to the designers of the system library code.

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Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: root@disco.rgm.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Size of mail message for uux?
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:19:37 GMT

I have gotten a couple of rejected mail from my sites uux when trying
to send some uuencoded files, and it only seems to work with larger
files, is there a limit on the size of a message for uucp transfer?
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: What doesn't Coherent have that Unix does?
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:00:53 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> 	Could someone please give a description of what Coherent doesn't
> include that would normally be in a standard Unix package?
>
> 	Thanks,
> 		-P.M
>
	You need to wait a bit because any answer now might be obselete
in a short while.  MWC is planning release an update to Coherent 386 any
time now and it will include some thing not currently available.  Right
now it is missing tape support, graphics, networking, and some other
little things.  Tape support and networking are promised and I think
they might make it into the upcoming new release.  Someone at MWC has
told me to expect some good news very soon.  Oh, sockets have been
promised too.  That will allow X11 to be ported more easily (or maybe
make it possible period).  Some one is working on an X11 port too.



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Shannon Hendrix                |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
Christopher Newport University |---------------------
Newport News, VA               |** space for rent **
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: News
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:49:55 GMT

: > Michael Schack writes:
: > >system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
: > >> Can anyone recomend a news system that'll install under Coherent 4.0
: > >> without me pulling my hair out trying to get it working?
: > >
: > >I`m definitely interested, too! I have nn but can't install it
: > >correctly. BTW: Does a manual which explains all steps of
: > >installing a newssystem (+elm) excist? By now I`m running
: > >a dos program for this  :( . It`s called waffle.

If you are not an experienced COHERENT users and NEWS administrator,
do not use nn. This program really isn't easy to install and needs
a lot of administration. First use vn and tass, then tin. Later if
you are familar with the NEWS system and if you know how all this
stuff works together, try nn. Elm shouldn't be a problem, type
'make install' as user root.
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