HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:04:33 GMT

|Well, Yeah, I'm for real. As I mentioned before, if you are stealthy
|they really don't know where it came from...that's what's mostly
|fun about it. If you walked right up in their face and did it you
|might as well be really confrontational and I wasn't advocating 
|starting brawls in the aisles. As for asking people to not smoke,
|it rarely works. Most people I know who still smoke are indignant
|and self-righteous about their "right" to smoke in *your* face.
|

Maybe you should take that water gun and spray down some of those people
who haven't taken a shower for 2 or 3 weeks.  Now THAT'S offensive.  Sure,
it might not fill your lungs with second hand smoke, but poor personal
hygene can affect people very easily.  For one, it makes my eyes 
water.  Also, head lice, germs and other nasties can be easily trans-
mitted from person to person. 

Al Sodoma



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: VENETA & SHORELINE
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.214204.23458@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.205838.13527@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>> tour schedule.  In other words, he's just plain axhausted.
>
>Very punny!---------------------------------------^^
Yeah, is isn't it, not my typo though, came off the Well that way,
it's Gans's, It's Gans's fault:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Brent w/ daughter on bench?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:26:41 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <13316.2a88eb96@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Does anyone know at which show Brent's daughter was sitting with 
>hin on the piano bench while he sang I Will Take You Home?
>(There's a picture of it inside the Without A Net Album).
>Thabks for any responses...

I thought it was at Madison Square Garden in NYC, but I don't remember
*which* show.
				reb
From: rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Re:A net.get.well card for Jerry?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:44:45 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Aug17.152216.14244@nntp.uoregon.edu>, nsax.uoregon (Norma Sax) writes:
> Count me in.
> 
> norma sax

Me too.

Matt Leary
From: 00sssiler@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Need Smithereens '86 show from MTV!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:55:43 GMT



I have SOME of this show on a 6 song CD, but I know that this
concert was broadcast on MTV long before I owned a VCR.  If 
anyone has this concert, I don't need the video, just an audio
recording of it.  IF you can help, please E mail and SEND YOUR
MAILING ADDRESS as my mailer doesn't work with outgoing mail.
I'll be in touch with you through snail mail.

Thanks,
Steve Siler
720 West Centennial 46C
Muncie IN 47303
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: NEIL SPEAKS: A SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:46:56 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug17.182152.1660@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

OOPS....KNEW IT AS SOON AS I POSTED IT..I REALLY SCREWED THIS ONE UP !!!!


> "It's to keep the guys IN THE BAND mellow."
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>                           ---NEIL DIAMOND, who was spotted buying
>                              a gourmet coffee-making machine for
>                              $825.00.
> 
> 
> :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  

Peace!

!eric!
From: darkstar@toz.buffalo.ny.us (peter leone)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Solar Circus Hotline?
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:03:27 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

Does anyone have the Solar Circus Hotline number? Thanks for the info.

                                Peace,
                                        Peter Leone
Darkstar@toz.buffalo.ny.us                              Go Sabres!!!!!!!!
Prodigy: hdhx79b                         Buffalo Bandits MILL World Champs!
From: eskridge@cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Boston Area -- looking for housemate
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:11:44 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


First off, I've tried to only distribute this locally (Boston area).  If the folk 
in California end up reading this, my apologies.

Taking the lead from Eric Simon, I'm posting on rec.music.gdead looking for a
housemate.  Here's the scoop: 

The house is in east Watertown, near the Cambridge line.  It's a four bedroom,
and we're (two men, one woman) looking for the fourth.  The rent per person is
$425.00 + utilities.  We have one VERY territorial cat, so no more pets are
possible.  All the standard progressive stuff about tolerance, recycling, and
resource consumption applies.  No tobacco.

And it's available ASAP.  

If you're at all interested, drop me e-mail (the address should be above, but
just in case it gets turned into garble, it's "eskridge@cfa.harvard.edu").

Best wishes to Jerry for a quick recovery,

Paul Eskridge
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Personal to Jannette Pazer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:41:40 GMT

Jannette,

All the mail i send to you bounces...I am your parent on the '68 tree.

I have my tapes...send me blanks.  Send me e-mail to get my address

ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu




Sorry for the BW trample...:^)
From: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: re: thoughts on the musicality of the dead
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

I for one liked your comments, Mark, about what makes the Dead's music
unique from other musical forms.

IJWTS also that while I don't understand the discussions on mixolodian
(sp?) stuff, or really care personally about the taping discussions,
I'm glad they are on the r.m.gd because where else could you have such
discussions?  On the other hand, debate on political issues seems
grotesquely out of place.  I was ready to unsubscribe because of
the latter, but the former have kept me on, for now.

leora
"and if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own."
  -Scoop Nisker
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:09:47 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Does Garcia etc
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:57:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Aug13.185713.17876
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University


Just one thing to add to Norma's post:  even if one has "an obligation
to lead a healthier lifestyle", one might not have the ability to do so,
Puritan ethics not withstanding.  In my experience, recovery from addiction
(even, e.g., addition to video games) is not something that's in the power of
everyone from a practical standpoint (leaving the abstract philosophical
discussion to someone/somewhere else).

--
Joshua Yeidel               | yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu
Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Tony K. Wei" (FSAC-SID) <trwei@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Fate of the Grateful Dead
Reply-To: trwei@pica.army.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:48:05 GMT

Hey folks,                     

Take this with a grain of salt if you choose.  I don't usually believe in 3rd
party rumors but what I heard last night really upset me.  I have a friend
who is a NeXT machine user and she knows a lot of people who are involved with
it.  One of the people she knows is John Barlow (sp?) who is a writer for the
NeXT magazine and for the Grateful Dead.  If you don't recall, some of the songe
he help write are Throwing Stones, Mexically Blues, Hell in a Bucket.  Anyway,
he and Bob Weir are good friends and (here comes the "he said, she said" part)
my friend said that John said that Bob said that this may be the end of the
band as far as he can tell.  DON'T GET EXCITED.  This is not definite but a
posibility.  I don't know who else Bob told this to or what mood or frame of
mind he was in at that time but this is just Bob's prediction and it is also
just a rumor I heard last night.  Let just hope Bob is wrong and hold the
flaming down to a minimum.  Take care folks.

Tony
"...hurts my ears to listen.."
\S
 \L         
  \O
   \P                          
    \E
"I go to a bar and they ask to see my drivers license... I have to be able 
to drive in order to drink?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: judi@playfair.Stanford.EDU (Judi Davis)
Subject: Lithuanian Basketball Shirts
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:16:58 GMT

This is from this morning's San Jose Mercury Action Line column:

Q: As a Golden State Warriors fan and big fan of Sarunas Marciulionis, I'd
   like to know how I can get one of those tie-dyed Lithuanian basketball
   team/Grateful Dead T-shirts that the team members wore on the medal
   stand. NBC said they were on sale in the Bay Area.

A: They're not for sale -- yet. Jim Sweeney, merchandise manager for the
   Warriors, says Marciulionis sold other T-shirts that said "Lithuanian
   Basketball Team" to raise money for his country's team to go to the
   Olympics. That effort made news, and the Grateful Dead decided to send
   some of the band's trademark tie-dyed shirts as a gift to the Lithuanian
   team and Marciulionis. The team wore these on the platform, which has
   caused a demand beyond belief, says Sweeney. Sweeney says he and the
   Warriors officials are making arrangements with Marciulionis and the
   Grateful Dead to see if they could market them. If it's a go, Sweeney
   will call us, and we promise to update readers. Sweeney expects a
   decision to be made by the first of next week.


Soooo, it looks like the answer the shirt question will be available sometime
next week. I'm going to be away for 3 weeks. Are there any other Mercury
News readers on this group who could post the Action Line's response?
From: eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu (Ellen Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: smokin' at INDOOR shows
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
Organization: The Internet

ok, you diehard smokers out there. . . say you're taking a drag on a cigarette
at a show in an INDOOR venue somewhere. . .let's see if i can follow your
logic now. . .

i'm doing something which is illegal (n.b. i have *never* seen an indoor venue
where it WAS legal) ans is annoying  a bunch of people, but because i believe
it's one of MY civil rights, i'm not going to stop and will in fact get really 
pissy if anyone asks me to. . . 

am i close?  you've all been talking about how you're protecting your civil
right to smoke whereas we're just being *selfish* and trying to protect a 
personal right.  don't you think that the right to breathe clean air is an
indisputable civil right of everyone?  think of it this way:  suppose you
knew of someone who was putting a small amount of a known carcinogen into 
your water supply every day.  wouldn't you ask them to stop?  you may say,
"well this is clearly illegal and the person has no right to do it."  well,
us nonsmokers (and i *used*to smoke too-- quit for my health) see it exactly
the same way.  you have the right to pollute your own lungs if you want, but
you don't have the right to pollute *mine* and that's all there is to it.  

and to anticipate your next remark, i don't think it's your place to tell me
i shouldn't go to shows then.  no, i DON'T accept that it's going to happen
no matter what i do; the minute you start accepting unfairness you may as 
well have said you AGREE with it.  and i don't.  and you, who are breaking the
law, can't tell me that your rights are more important than mine.  

think about this:  you and i are at a show and you're smoking illegally and 
(assuming we can't both be in the same place in peace) you're trying to tell
me that YOU should be there and i shouldn't?!?!?!  please!!!  the fact that 
you're smoking with indignant self-righteousness doesn't make you special,
just annoying.  

so go ahead. . .you have new flamebait now.  

peace, 

ellen


-- 

  **************************************************************************

   "sometimes the songs that we hear                ellen p. buckley 
    
    are just songs of our own. . . "                eb@esv.bgsm.wfu.edu
 
  **************************************************************************
From: pjpg1258@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul J. Pearah)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Deadicated II
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:06:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8yIq.Dyx
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

i wanna hear frank zappa do pride of cucamonga on deadicted II.

perhaps linda rondstat could do victim or the crime?

you all probably think i'm weird ... 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: les@chopin.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Subject: Re: Deadicated II (who'd you want to see?) :-)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.090310.3712@newstand.syr.edu> dmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Daniel Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.124833.29902@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>>
>>Actually, I'm surprised nobody mentioned Dwight Yoakam's Bakersfield
>>what artists would you choose for any particular Dead song and why? 
>>One matchup to get the ball rolling:  Leon Russell - "High Time"
>My vote is for Michelle Shocked doin' "The Music Never Stopped" :-)
Well, whoever voted for P-Funk doing "Shakedown", that's got my vote!

Here's the flamebait:  Black Crowes doing "Sugaree"...just a thought...:-)

BTW, CNBC just did about 5minutes or so on the Dead.  Some footage of
"Hell in a Bucket" and "Sugaree" and an interview with Bob.  Brief summary:
"No drugs while playing..."
"Save the old growth..."
"No religion or politics in lyrics...[mentioned Confucius: absolute power
corrupts absolutely...]"


...and some obligatory footage of Jerry's ties.  Gotta get me one...

Peace,

Matt

-- 
!Matthew Reed Templeton!Quote of the month:August,1992...
!  les@brahms.udel.edu !"During the break, we'll be holding a raffle...
!This space for rent...! whoever wins gets to hold the rhythm section hostage!"
!..Cheap! 1-800-WHAKNOW!	-Mr. Cheeze, Robert Weir 6/24/85
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Barry S. Nichols" <BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>
Subject: CHINA DOLL
Reply-To: BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:02:20 GMT

7004 Ethan Allen Way, Louisville, KY  40272
Phone: 502-583-5835 (machine)
I just got back from day one of the KY State Fair. I went to the Purnell's pig
racing booth. I am happy to report that CHINA DOLL took third place in the
third race at 7:00 pm. Sorry for the lack of smoking, rumor, Jerry's health
assumptions, and name calling.

GROUCHO (Quale): Say, where'd I see your face before?
CHICO (Joe): Right where it is now.
From: cdpst+@pitt.edu (Christopher D. Piccolo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: deadicated II suggestion
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:34:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

This isn't originally my idea, but I like to imagine James Brown doing
Loose Lucy...

Rush doing The Eleven could be cool, same song with Bela and the Flecktones
I'd also like to see...

The Red Hot Chili Peppers doing St. Stephen...

The Cure doing The Golden Road

William Shatner doing Chinacat :-)

Latre
Chris
From: cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Jerry and Axle Rose-two ill-tempered people
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:21:03 EDT

Hey.  I saw an article in the Columbus Dispatch yesterday about a 
new amphitheatre they are planning to build on the south side.
It talked of how the head of the coomunity is scared that legions
of Deadheads will overtake the state parks if they build the amphitheatre and
let the Dead play there.  He talked of how he had some harsh words with 
Axle Rose, and he was sure he would have more with Jerry. (Ha Ha Ha)
You know Jerry's deep, fierce nature inside...
I was intruiged by the fact that they were thinking about
not building the amphitheatre JUST because they didn't want the Deadheads
there.Now, do you think they could build it and just not book the Dead?
I guess they would make enough money by having Deadheads there that it would 
pay for construction.
There were very good comments from poeple at Deer Creek and Buckeye Lake;
talking of no hassles with the Deadheads and an all around good time for
all-the Heads and the profiteers.
All in all, favorable press for Heads.
Jerry and Axle...two of a kind!
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: glad ya'll had fun...(GOP Platform)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

So what's wrong with this platform?

<<<<---SARCASM ALERT--->>>>

This thing is an outrage, and the convention is like
Munich '33.  Buchanan showed his true fascist colors, and the
sight of Jerry Falwell preening in the crowd made me sick.

It's too bad.  The answer to Pat Buchanan's problems was right
under his nose, in his own speech:

  Afraid of radical feminists?
  Afraid of radical homosexuals?
  Don't bar them from combat units -- draft them into combat units
  Send them to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Somalia, Haiti,
    or any place else they can get shot at.
  End of problem.

I'm surprised Pat didn't think of it himself.

I can't believe that the same party that promoted free trade with
Mexico wants to build a fence on the border!  Unless...

It's to keep Americans from going south for plentiful jobs at
good wages!

 (in GOPspeak, good wages <= minimum wage, because
  good = good enough for everybody but GOP upperclass whites).

The platform shows what "education" president means: subsidize the
private and religious schools for the rich, at the expense of the
public school system for the poor.  Keep the underclasses dumb,
maladjusted, and disease-ridden with poor schools, poor families
reproducing, and poor medical care/AIDS prevention.  That way
they'll always have lots of cheap labor desperate for work, and
the leftovers can be used to scare middle America into voting
for family values.

Matt
Glad they have a vision for America.

ODC: I always wanted to see the Dead perform with "Up With People", or
at least have UWP cover Wharf Rat or China Cat (what lilting melodies!).
Oh well. Maybe on Dedicated II?

More seriously: why can't we get a fiscal conservative who doesn't want
to deny us our basic rights?  Why do the same people who decry big
government want to regulate our bedrooms and our reproductive rights?
Why ask why? Try Bush Dry?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: moffitt@chopin.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt)
Subject: Re: Questions for musicologists
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:59:15 GMT

<Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:>
>I have a couple of things I've been wondering for years and maybe you
>can quit flaming and give me some way of understanding these things
>I've been hearing.

>First, what is it that creates the special "Dead sound"? 
>What I mean by that is that I can hear a chord or two or even a couple
>of notes and know it's the Dead playing. I can't do that with other
>bands playing something I haven't heard before, but can always tell a
>new Dead tune, even turning on the radio in the middle of it.

Hi Vic,

   Not to try and be smart or anything but maybe it's because you really
like the dead and know their music inside and out.  The dead have a 
particular stytle all their own and I too think it is quite easily
recognizable even only a few notes into the song.  This can be a result
of familiarity with their music and thier distinctive style.  Also, though,
I think it's probably Jerry's playing that you probably key into.  No one
I can think of that I've ever heard before plays like Garcia does.. His
style is quite disctinct and very noticeable even only after a few notes.
Also, the WAY the dead play their songs is also something you probably key
into right away.  When they play, their style is for everyone to basically
play all over the place, not really repeating a line over and over.  They
"dance" around a chord progression and this gives them the free form quality
that we know and love.  99% of all other rock and roll musicians use
repetition upon repetition of the same lines with some distinct solo brought
in at a key moment in the song.  This is definately not what the dead do.
Listen to any dead tune and you basically don't hear the same riff twice 
(there are some exceptions though).... A combination of all of these things
is probably what lets you identify dead tunes so easily (I can do the same).


>Second, why does the beat on St. Stephen seem to drag? It's not that
>slow, and  yet you seem to wait and wait . . .

I don't quite understand what you mean Vic but I'll give it a shot.... The
idea that it may seem to drag may be a result of the fact that the chord
progression "wraps around onto itself".  That is, the main progression
for the song is:  E D A E 
So, when you play a bar of E, then a bar of D, then a bar of A, and then back
top E again, you start over and you get another bar of E.  This, in the middle
of a second repeat of the progression makes two consecutive bars of E and 
it could give it that "dragging" quality becuase you stay on E so long....
That's an attempt .... Does it make sense?  I hope this was what you were
talking about :-)

Later, Curt