Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 09:55:48 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 4
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                                HELP!!!
                       Wherefore Art Thou Gaynet?
                                  EKU
                             Gay and Jewish
                             EKU Homophobia
                      National Coming Out Weekend
                                s:farim
                       spring NELGBSA conference
                                Phantom?
                  Concerned Women for America--BLEAH!
 CALL the OREGON GOVERNOR'S OFFICE to voice your opinion on gay rights
                   GARTH BROOKS STANDS UP FOR QUEERS!
                        A point of clarification
                    Grad Assistant for GLB Concerns
                                Kentucky
                                 GAYNET

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:58 EDT
From: UMD's BiGaLA <PMSC10GLA@umassd.edu>
Subject: HELP!!!
X-Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, North Dartmouth, MA, USA
Comments: A VAX cluster with VMS V5.5, PMDF V4.0-22, JNET V3.5 & UCX V1.3A

Hey all,...I'm in a real bind. Does anyone out there have a copy of
the game "Alternatives" that I may borrow? I will be willing to send
a check if they could overnight mail it to me, and I will send it back
to them by the end of the week. We are schedualed to play it with the
campus Wednesday night but our copy has disappeared. I called all the
stores ih Boston and Provincetown and I even had a friend check in
San Francisco but to no avail. I was told that the alliance at Stonehill
had a copy but when I called them I was told that there was no gay alliance
at Stonehill. I even called the woman at Ithica that is the creator of the
game abnd she has no copies because they sold out & the reprints wonn't be
available for at leaste 6 weeks.
     So if anyone has a copy of the game "ALTERNATIVES" could you please
call me ASAP at (508)991-4370. I am Dave. & thanx in advance.
           Please help the helpless!
                 Dave St.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:36 EST
From: GANDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Wherefore Art Thou Gaynet?

What's Up?

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Resent-Message-Id: <9210052127.AA04108@Athena.MIT.EDU>
Resent-Date:  Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:25:22 EDT
Resent-From: Jeff Jones <JAJONE02@UKCC.uky.edu>
Resent-To: gaynet@Athena.MIT.EDU,
        lesbians in science <lis@juno.physics.wisc.edu>,
        CLGSG <clgsg-l@ricevm1.rice.edu>, Ken Sherrill <ksshc@cunyvm.MIT.EDU>
Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:39:25 EDT
From: Kristin <UK05758@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      EKU

Since the repeal of our sodomy law, anti-gay bias is rising here.

______________________________________________________________
   Jeff Jones                         JAJONE02@ukcc.uky.edu
   University of Kentucky    "Clinton/Gore '92"
   "It probably sounded better in the original German."
      -Molly Ivins with The Nation on Pat Buchanan's speech at
       the GOP convention

- --------------------------Original message----------------------------
I just spoke to Laurie Davison at GLSSO and she would like for us to
write letters to the editor of the "Regress"
                 The Eastern Progress
                 117 Donovan Annex EKU
                 Richmond KY 40475

                 Phone 622-1872 or 622-1882
                 FAX 622-2354

She also wanted to invite us to a Halloween Party on the 31st.  She will
let us have more details soon.
                       Kristin and The Beaver

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:55:16 -0600 (MDT)
Mime-Version: 1.0
From: An Anonymous Sender

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:31:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Schwartzberg <sabra@cs.umb.edu>
Subject: Gay and Jewish
Mime-Version: 1.0

The book you are thinking about is called "Twice blessed".  It is written
from a Lesbian point of view, but is of value and info to all gay jews.
call lambda rising's 800 number - i know they carry it.  sorry i can't
help you out with the author.
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DAVID SCHWARTZBERG     ____/\____   Those who know what's best for us, must
SABRA @ RA.UMB.EDU     \  /  \  /   rise and save us from ourselves.  Quick
                        \/ \  \/    to judge,quick to anger, slow to under-
UNIV MASS - BOSTON      /\ /\ /\    stand; ignorance and prejudice and fear
                       /__\__/__\   walk hand in hand.        ---Neil Peart
RUSH & AEPi RULE!          \/
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Resent-Message-Id: <9210052126.AA04073@Athena.MIT.EDU>
Resent-Date:  Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:24:46 EDT
Resent-From: Jeff Jones <JAJONE02@UKCC.uky.edu>
Resent-To: gaynet@Athena.MIT.EDU,
        lesbians in science <lis@juno.physics.wisc.edu>,
        CLGSG <clgsg-l@ricevm1.rice.edu>, Ken Sherrill <ksshc@cunyvm.MIT.EDU>
Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:58:12 -0400
From: "Kristin B." <UK05758@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      EKU Homophobia

I thought I'd pass this along.  Homophobia in Kentucky

______________________________________________________________
   Jeff Jones                         JAJONE02@ukcc.uky.edu
   University of Kentucky    "Clinton/Gore '92"
   "It probably sounded better in the original German."
      -Molly Ivins with The Nation on Pat Buchanan's speech at
       the GOP convention

- --------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hey there in Lambdaland :)
  For those who don't know my wife, Bev, is attending EKU this semester.
Today she came home with a copy of EKU's newspaper, The Eastern Progress.
On the front page of the "Regress" there was this headline--- " Library
refuses gays' request for display"  I don't have the patients or the typing
skills to reprint the entire article so I'll paraphrase:
      The Crabbe Library was not sure that the display would meet the library's
guidelines. " But so far, no specific guidelines exist."
      The president of EKU's LBG group said "We don't want to make any enemies,
but we do expect to be treated as any organization on campus"
      They wanted their display to be similar to the displays for Black
History Month-- books, education, history.
      "The African American display meets the library science and higher
education requirements."
      "We want to show the heritage of African Americans. They've endured a
great deal of hardship that needs to be shown. There are a number of very good
black writers that people need to be aware of, a historical sensitivity that we
 need to be aware of and I hope that is demonstrated in the exhibit"
      " Hays and Myers said they are not sure that a display on Homosexuality
would meet the same standards."

   That's about the entire article.   This article pisses me off for several
reasons.  But I won't waste your time with them.  My motive for sharing this
article with you is that I think we (LAMBDA) being a student organization
should let the EKU Library know that their ignorance in this matter cannot be
tolerated.  Im going to write to them and I will post the address as soon as I
can find it.
                        Thanks for listening to our steam!!!
                                          Kris and Bev

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: HARRINGTONL@hartwick.edu
Subject: National Coming Out Weekend

Bi-GALA+ of Hartwick College, Oneonta, NY, (just off of Route I-88 between
Binghamton and Albany) is sponsoring a Coming Out Weekend.  All events are free
and everyone is invited to attend any events...the more the merrier!
On October 8th and 9th - we'll be handing out pink arm bands for people to wear
	on Saturday and Sunday.
On October 9th - We're painting the community wall for NCOD and Phranc's
	Concert.  We'll begin at 4:30.
	We're also showing "Tongues Untied" at 7 pm in Eaton Lounge, Bresee
	Hall.
On October 10th - Pre-Concert Dinner at 5 pm
	PHRANC will be performing in Concert!!!  Admission is free for
	everyone.  Concert starts at 8 pm in the Agora, Dewar Hall.  Everyone
	from the area (and those who aren't) are invited to come.
On October 11th - Official National Coming Out Day
	Making Chalk Drawings on Frisbee Field at 2 pm.

For more information call me at 607-432-3814
Laura Harrington
harringtonl@hartwick.edu

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Date:         Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:40:04 MST
From: "Gabriel (in New Mexico)" <G9348712@NMSUVM1.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      s:farim

Books gay and Jewish:  "Twice Blessed" is the title I know best; I don't
have the authors'/editors' names on the tips of my fingers.
Related:  "A Mensch among Men," about being a Jewish male and going
through the changes needed to avoid sexism; it does deal with faygelech
too.  Again, I'm not remembering the editors' names.

Gabriel (in New Mexico)

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Mon Oct 5 22:58:52 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: spring NELGBSA conference
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-61>

        where is it? i missed last year's at u-delaware because our ride from
alfred screwed up and never showed up here.....by the way, if you're out
there, i'm still *^%&^%& about that......i want to know where this year's is
so i can try to plan ahead of time.....

        love, safer sex, and Power Play,
        rob crawford

        ps...still looking for penpals.....

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:24:22 -0700
From: Andrew Raskin <andras@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Phantom?

Sorry for the topic drift, Phantom if your site is still receiving this
message,
I wanted to ask if you were the MindVox site that was in the article?

And do you have a gay/lesbian section?

Much thanks

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:34:46 EDT
Subject: Concerned Women for America--BLEAH!

Howdy!  In reply to Heidi: It's truly scary that any lesbigay person could
get involved in taking phone calls for Concerned Women for America.
     CWA is a fundamentalist answer to NOW.  Its grand poobah is Beverly
LaHaye, wife of fundie preacher Tim LaHaye.  It is overtly homophobic and
excoriates NOW for promoting a "lesbian agenda."  Members sign a statement of
belief that "the Bible is the verbally inspired word of God."
     CWA is one of the organizations formally endorsing the Oregon ballot
measure that would repeal all gay-rights laws and forbid the state or local
governments to pass new ones, ban gay books from public libraries,
effectively ban gay-rights parades, and forbid any teaching about
homosexuality in public schools except that it is "perverted, unnatural,
abnormal and wrong."  The initiative explicitly lumps homosexuality and
bisexuality together with bestiality and pedophilia.  It is being sold with
the slogan, "No Special Rights for Homosexuals."
     Truly scary that any lesbigay person could get involved in taking calls
for CWA.  I hope Heidi's friend's in a position to take a different job.

Mark
*****************************************************************************
Mark Hertzog                       *         ACTION
Militant Homosexual Agitator       *              CHANGES
University of Virginia             *                   ATTITUDES!

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Subject: CALL the OREGON GOVERNOR'S OFFICE to voice your opinion on gay rights
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:55:47 EDT
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9

I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling a
tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call
them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater where
you are from. The number of the Governor is

		503-378-3111

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735 ``D.C., April 25 1993''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"
Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:23:54 EDT
Subject: GARTH BROOKS STANDS UP FOR QUEERS!

NEWSWEEK, Oct. 12, 1992, p. 86 (Reprinted without permission):

GARTH TAKES A BRAVE STAND
Country's big star bucks 'family values'

     Garth Brooks just jumped into the family-values debate, right into the
mess of it.  "The way I remember it," he said during a free afternoon in his
current national concert tour, "traditional family values was encouraging
children to be the best they can be.  If your parents are black and white, if
your parents are the same sex, that's still traditional family values to me."
     This was Brooks's way of explaining the song "We Shall Be Free," which
leads off his new album, "The Chase," and includes a vote of support for
same-sex couples.  Born and raised in Yukon, Okla., Brooks speaks in a soft,
unassuming manner, sharp yet disarmingly humble.  He'll call you sir as
casually as he'll say hello.  He wrote the song, he said, after the riots in
Los Angeles, to address a wide range of injustice.  "When we're free to love
anyone we choose," he sings, "then we shall be free."  This is a first for
country music.  Yet it isn't the only radical cut on the new album.  "Face to
Face," the closing song, takes on the thorny topic of date rate, encouraging
women to stand up to men who mistreat them.  With these two songs bracketing
the more inocuously playful material between them, Brooks has taken a leap
out of the shelter of country tradition--where men can go astray, but are
forgiven if they repent--and into the dirty reality of modern life.  By way
of contrast, he noted, "When we cut 'The Dance' [a 1990 romantic hit], you
could feel the cleanliness in the studio.  But with 'Face to Face,' you feel
filth.'"
     This kind of progressive, topical songwriting, coming from a rock or rap
act, would be no big deal.  But from Brooks, it is a revolution.  Possibly
the most popular entertainer in America right now, Brooks, 30, commands the
audience both political parties have vied for: country-music fans, some 10
million of them.  "The Chase" enters the Billboard magazine charts this week
at No. 1, and last week the Country Music Association named Brooks its
Entertainer of the Year.  But country music holds its value as a political
football largely because it resists the winds of change.  It's the one
entertainment we feel isn't leading us toward Sodom and Gomorrah.  [Mark in
Virginia says: Oh, Puh-LEAZZZE!]  Country hangs on to old values with
conviction and marketing savvy.  So while Madonna can ring all the bells she
wants for sexual diversity, it is another matter for Brooks to do it.  He has
pushed the boundaries before: his 1990 song "The Thunder Rolls" addressed
domestic violence and promptly got banned from the country video channels.
But this time, the stakes are much higher.  "I was really scared to put it
out," he admitted, "because I thought we'd get a lot of people
misunderstanding what the song says."
     The biggest risk for Brooks is that the bedrock of the country-music
community, the church, is often inimical to what he has to say about
homosexuality.  Country singers, even real big ones, better make their peace
with the church.  Brooks, who has always put himself forward as a very
religious performer, now has to walk a tightrope.  "It's tough for me,
because I love the Bible," he explained.  "For those people that feel
religiously that homosexuality is wrong, are they not as right as the people
who feel that homosexuality is right?  But I say, 'Hey, man, stay on your own
side.'  To penalize someone for being homosexual, I don't think that's our
place."  At the same time, he added, "I don't want the whole religious world
down on my ass, either."
     Brooks said that hasn't happened so far.  But he has received some angry
mail.  "They always say, '[Gays] should be granted some rights'--and it seems
to be [only] the rights these people writing in think they should be allowed.
Damn.  I don't know where someone gets off telling human beings they can have
some rights and not others."
     [Remainder of article omitted]

Well!  Makes a body proud to be a Southerner!  I haven't felt this good since
k.d. lang came out in The Advocate!

Grinning from ear to ear,
Mark, Gay Down South in Dixie and Country When Country Wasn't Cool
***************************************************************************Mark
 Hertzog, Militant Homosexual Agitator, University of Virginia
"I don't know where someone gets off telling human beings they can have
some rights and not others." --Garth Brooks, pro-queer country star

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From: Mathemagician <bevans@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: A point of clarification
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:28:26 MDT

Alas, the problem with the "Women perform two-thirds of the world's
work" phrase is that "work" isn't well-defined.

And just what is "feminist" science?  What is it about the Scientific
Method that is gender-specific?  What is it about the Scientific
Method that oppresses females?  Are these people trying to say that if
Newton was a woman, gravity wouldn't work the way it does? that
Calculus wouldn't exist the way it does today?  That when a woman
observes a Quantum Mechanical effect, the wave-form would collapse
differently than if a man observed it?

Are they talking about the way women are treated by the Scientific
Establishment (C) or the manner in which science is carried out?  For
instance, making the claim that if there were more women in the
medical field that more research on the biology of women would
performed is talking about the Scientific Establishment (C), not the
manner in which science is carried out.

-
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary

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Date:         Tue, 06 Oct 92 07:33:46 EDT
From: Scott King <SEK100F@oduvm.cc.odu.edu>
Subject:      Grad Assistant for GLB Concerns

Old Dominion University has recently appointed a graduate assistant to
work with gay/lesbian/bisexual students and to raise awareness on the
campus.  However, all is not good with the situation.  Due to what we
interpret as not wanting to be involved in open support for glb issues,
the upper administration here has changed the grad assistant's title to
be graduate assistant for minority student affairs.  (A very heated
meeting between the VP for Student Services and members of the campus
student and faculty glb communities took place last week.)

I have two inquiries of members of the net.

- Are you aware of any other campuses who have a graduate assistant
position similar to ours?  If so, contact information for our person
would be welcome, to help him and his supervisor (the Director of Minority
Student Affairs who is very supportive, and who feels his title should
reflect accurately glb issues.)

- Have any of you had experience in dealing with the situation about the
administration wanting to hide the fact that this person exists?  The
argument we get is that glb's are not a "protected class" by the federal
government, therefore we need to tread lightly.  ODU's affirmative action
statement includes sexual orientation, but this seems to be a moot point.
Arguments that there are special positions for other groups that are not
protected classes also were ignored.  (I'm Director of International Students
here and used that as an argument to support this position, but were ignored.)

The general feeling at ODU is that while we have some support, there is still a
desire that we stay closeted and non-controversial.  There's not much chance
of that!

Thanks for any information!

Scott King, sek100f@oduvm.cc.odu.edu

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Date: 06 Oct 92 08:48:17 EST
From: Larry Goldsmith <LGOLDSMI@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: Kentucky

Gabriel (in New Mexico) writes:

>Keith Elston reports that a KY state legislator has proposed an anti-anal sex
>amendment to the state constitution.  Supposedly, it's to slow the spread of
>AIDS.  The legislator goes on to say:
>
>> Harper said condoms are not always successful.  "The facts bear out that
>> when people get the urge to perform some acts, they may not have a
>> condom."
>
>Harper is, of course, correct.  But if he realizes that the passions of sex
>can overwhelm people's rational minds, why does he think that they will chill
>out because what they are doing is illegal?

Good point.  I think the answer is that he *doesn't* think they'll chill out.
He doesn't care about their health.  He just likes the idea of punishing people
for having sex.

Larry:

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