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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: RESULT Scotland-Germany (U21)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:54:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: thor.FISCHER.92Apr7215425
	<1992Apr1.093256.24970@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
	<1992Apr2.152137.21913@daimi.aau.dk> <1992Apr3.102019.27943@cs.umu.se>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Jesper" == Jesper Lauridsen (rorschak@daimi.aau.dk)
>>>>> "Kent" == Kent Hedlundh (dvlkhh@cs.umu.se)

Jesper>  Time to get this straight! The U21 European Championship semifinals
Jesper> will be Denmark - Italy and Sweden - Scotland. The final will then be
Jesper> Denmark - Scotland.

Kent> You're kidding! The final will indeed be Sweden - Denmark with Sweden as
Kent> winner :-)

I'm not so sure. Unfortunately, Danish U21 skipper Claus Thomsen was
injured during the second leg of the quarter-final (in Poland) and
will be out for at a couple of months. That Claus Thomsen is a damned
important figure for the Danish U21 team was quite obvious in the
match in Poland. Before he left the field, the Danes controlled events
and never lost sight of the big picture. After he left, the defense
became chaotic, the team lost direction and planning, and lost control
of the mid-field, just as in the game against Poland here in Aalborg,
where Claus Thomsen did not play (also due to an injury).

It is very unfortunate that Claus Thomsen will not be able to play
against Italy and I'm afraid this could mean the end for the Danish
team. The team has a lot of talent but needs a libero with a good
understanding of the game and great skill. Claus Thomsen has these
abilities, Diego Tur has not. In the offensive play, we have Per
Frandsen organizing things, but it seems we are now without an
organizer in the defensive play. Foo!

Kent> Sweden and Scotland play the 23rd (or was it 22nd) and 29th of April.

Denmark - Italy is on April 9, here in Aalborg. Not sure about the
second leg.

/Lars
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From: wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl (Jos Coenen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ECRT: (final) round 6
Keywords: ECRT
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: wsinjosc@info.win.tue.nl


The sixth and final round of ECRT!
Only 5 points to gain this time, but it may be just enough for you :-)

Here's the sample

-------------------------------------------------
EC1 May 20
Barcelona (Spain) - Sampdoria Genoa (Italy)  A

EC2 May 6
AS Monaco (France) - Werder Bremen (Germany) A

EC3 April 29 & May 13
Torino (Italy) - Ajax Amsterdam (Netherlands) 0BB
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Jos
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:5077 soc.culture.french:2864
From: beksic@qtp.ufl.edu (Dario Beksic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Soccer tragedy
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:37:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.35020

In article <1992Apr3.141025.29885@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa) writes:

 Yesterday I heard some tragic news on the death of a great spanish player
 (Juan Gonzales?? "JUANITO").  He had traveled to Madrid to see his old
 club REAL MADRID play against TORINO from Italy in UEFA CUP action.
 He crashed against another vehicle in a highway when he was on his way
 home. He was a great player with REAL MADRID leading them to 4 Spanish
 League Championships and Two Spanish Cup Chamionships. He was also a
 great player with the Spanish National Team.

 Miguel

	I believe his surname was Gomez, I'm not totally sure, though.
He was indeed a good player, though more than once carried away with
emotions. 
	Too bad that people leave us in such cruel ways...
								Dario

PS:	Remember a qualifying game for '78 WC in Belgrade, when Spain
was ahead by a goal and Juanito showed the local hotheads "thumb down",
a moment later he was hit by an empty Coke bottle which cost him a
concussion, and the Yugo-football association a fortune in Swiss francs?
From: cobra@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roland Dudley)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:29:48 GMT
Subject: Univision sold
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer

From the San Jose Mercury News, April, 9 1992 (paraphrased):

  The nation's largest Spanish language television network Univision, a
  subsidiary of Hallmark Cards Inc., of Kansas City, MO is being sold to
  an investment group led by LA TV producer A.  Jerrold Perenchio.  The
  reported selling price is to be $550 million, a $25 million loss
  according to a Hallmark spokesman.  The investment group includes
  Mexico's Grupo Televisa and Venezuela's Venevision.  Miami based
  Univision includes a network that reaches 90% of US Hispanic
  households.  Purchase is subject to FCC approval.

  According to Bishop Cheen, an analyst for Paul Kagan Associates Inc.,
  "They will try to cut costs on the programming side and try to create
  synergies with ad-driven Galavision," a Spanish language cable
  service owned by Grupo Televisa.  The purchase could also put pressure
  on Telemundo Group Inc., which is owned by financier Saul Steinberg
  which, like Univision, has suffered from excessive debt of late.

Hopefully this transfer of ownership will not have an adverse effect on
soccer coverage by either network.  And for me personally, I hope it
doesn't mean that the local Univision and Telemundo stations will go
cable.

Roland
From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SUNDERLAND
Keywords: SEMI-FINAL
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:30:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

fong@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Fong C P) writes:

>Sunderland has reached this year's FA Cup Final.

>Good Luck to them. They will lose to Liverpool anyway, even thou they have not been guranttee a place yet. They drew 1-1 with Portsmouth. They will win the replay on Monday night.

>Go Liverpool.

I remember people saying that about Leeds in 1973.

Steve.  (Old enough to remember Sunderland's last FA cup win; just!)


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From: nealet@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: THE BEST SOCCER MOVIE
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:56:35 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

There was a film which starred Ian McShane (Lovejoy fame) in which he
played a star footballer in the same vein as George Best ie. he liked a
bit of the old firewater, and eventually it go the better of him.. but I
can't remember what it was called..???

neale

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From: james@HISOFT.COM (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: PREDICTION 1994: WHO WILL WIN?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:50:54 GMT

-> > Who will be the four semi-finalists?

	USA-ENGLAND
	SCOTLAND-UKRAINE

-> > Who will meet in the final?

	USA-SCOTLAND

-> > Who will be World Champions?

	USA
From: collins@nvpna1.prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA Rulings (was RE:USA WORLD CUP.....)
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:03:30 GMT

In <1992Apr8.133324.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>The current UEFA restrictions on non-nationals playing for club sides
>seems to have been dreamt up for the good of the Italian, Spanish, German
>and French clubs who couldnt match the number of trophies won by English
>sides in the 70's and early 80's.

The rule was introduced to stop the rich Italian, Spanish and French clubs
filling their teams with the best players from the poorer English, Dutch,
Belgian and German clubs. There is no way the Northern European clubs can
match the offers made by even some of the weaker Italian sides like Bari.

The fact that the English FA does not consider Scottish, Irish and Welsh
players as foreigners is an unfortunate side effect.
From: S.W.Camber@cm.cf.ac.uk (Steve Camber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Email World Cup Allocations
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:26:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Ok, the nominations have been processed and the following people will
control the following teams:-

akbar@ntivax.earn	Saudi Arabia
chandran@uniwa.uwa.oz.au	Wales
kryst14@vax.ox.ac.uk		England
afsta010@duticai.tudelft.nl	Netherlands
abdreast@microsoft.com		Lithuania
ngrant@esoc.earn		Switzerland
hans@iesd.auc.dk		Denmark
u9caer@uk.ac.york.ohm		Albania
lamfpn@dk.uni_c.vts		Faroe Islands
cjr@uk.ac.rl.inf		Scotland
svenn@no.uit.cs.stud		Norway
tom@edu.iupui.et.ethome		Austria
rpfortn@nl.vu.cs		Brazil
pwk@win.tue.nl			Belgium
jgrigor@uk.ac.strath.cs		France
dgmccann@unix1.tcd.ie		Rep Ireland (I wanted Them!)

dstein@math.ucla.edu		Czechslovakia
dalcher@edu.uwm.csd.csd4	Estonia
rmosher@com.not.comm.mdd	Canada
 
biwadar@cs.few.eur.nl		Luxembourg
shaw@edu.uiuc.sls.aries		Sweden
blrj_ltd@edu.rochester.cc.uhura	Italy
christos@edu.caltech.cco	Cyprus (hoorah!)
Fajack@edu.usu.cc		Malaysia (hoorah!)

mingos@vax.ox.ac.uk		All three of your teams have been taken!
				Would you like to renominate?

Rules will follow in the next posting.

All mail to scmswc@uk.ac.cf.cm
This is Laurence on a guest account so thanks to me mate Steve.
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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Some English Questions ...
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:40:37 GMT


Sorry, I should know the answers to these but I don't, so could some
Englishperson (or someone else who knows the answers) please e-mail them to
me ...

1) Why have Aldershot been dumped from the League ??

2) How many teams will be relegated from Div #1 in a month's time ??

3) How many teams will come up from Div #2 ? If it is, for example, two,
would it just be the 2 teams with the most points at the end of the season,
or is there some other method involved ? [I seem to recall seeing the phrase
"Division 2 promotion PLAYOFFS" recently somewhere on this group, so I
wondered ...]

4) Will next year's Premier League be just, basically, the same system under
another name ? How many teams will it consist of ? Will the points system, 
format etc. be the same ? Will the league "below" the Premier League now be
"Division 1" (as in Scotland) or "Division 2" ? Will there still be relegation
and promotion between the various leagues ?

5) Why will (so many people say) the formation of a "Premier League" be
detrimental to English Soccer, especially to the "poorer" clubs and/or those
in lower divisions ? Will there somehow be less money going round to keep them
alive and active ?

Any e-mailed (not posted) info would be greatly appreciated ...

Tim Hatfield
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
Australia's #1 Soccer/Football Fan
GO SUNDERLAND !!!!!!!!
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:50:32 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Tuesday 7th April

Rangers         4   Falkirk    1

McCoist  13,37,75  Sloan 20
Mikhailichenko 87

A seat in the Club Deck, a McCoist hat-trick and a brilliant performance by
Ian Durrant were the main features last night. With Bomber starting at left
back in the absence of the suspended Sheep and Kuznetsov in the middle beside
Gough, Rangers built from the back in the acres of space that Falkirk gave
them. It was no surprise when they took the lead when a Broon through ball
went under a defenders foot and it left Ally with the job of a delicate chip
over the diving Westwater.  With Gough a nightmare it was no surprise when
Falkirk equalised and the defence was caught napping as Sloan raced through
to bullet the ball past Goram. They had already had two good chances which
Goram saved. However, Rangers regained the lead when SAlly picked up a long
through ball on the edge of the box, cut inside two defenders and bulleted
the ball into the top corner. Gordon had done nothing in the first half and
started off the same wy in the second as Rangers lost their way a bit. Miko
must have been sitting on the bench wondering how he can't get a game when he
looks at Gordon. It wasn't till after McCoist had missed a glorious chance
that the shout "taxi for Gordon" was heard and he was replaced by Miko with
twenty minutes left.  Miko done more in the first five minutes when he came
on than Gordon done in the seventy he had. Third goal was well taken by
McCoist as he raced onto a braw through ball, went round the keeper and from
a foot off the by-line and about ten yards towards the flag he cut the ball
back into the net. He was quite pleased with that one. Miko's turn when a
scramble at the far post from a Rideout cross resulted with the ball at his
feet. He showed great skill in skinning his man and with McCoist screaming
for the ball on the line he just put it into the net. This Golden Boot is
going to Ally's heid! Gordon must have been sitting on the bench wondering
how he gets a game when he looks at Miko. Best for Rangers were Durrant,
McCoist, Kuznetsov, McCall, Brown and Miko. Gough was murder and the Falkirk
centre forward Cadet caused him a lot of problems. So Rangers are five points
ahead with a massive goal difference with five games to go. Next game is at
Dundee United this Saturday where ground re-construction has meant that
tickets will be impossible to come by.

Rangers:
Goram, Brown, Stevens, Gough, Kuznetsov, Spackman, Gordon (Mikhailichenko),
McCall, McCoist, Durrant (Rideout), Huistra

.....and our annual Player of the Year Dance this year will be attended by
Walter Smith, Ally McCoist and Ian Durrant. Kebabs are not on the menu.

-- 
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From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Some English Questions ...
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:49:31 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland

> 1) Why have Aldershot been dumped from the League ??

They ran out of money,ie bankrupted.
> 2) How many teams will be relegated from Div #1 in a month's time ??

3.

> 3) How many teams will come up from Div #2 ? If it is, for example, two,
> would it just be the 2 teams with the most points at the end of the season,
> or is there some other method involved ? [I seem to recall seeing the phrase
> "Division 2 promotion PLAYOFFS" recently somewhere on this group, so I
> wondered ...]

2 best teams plus teams 3-6 play against each other and the best team promotes.

I didn't answer the rest of the questions as I don't know the answer either.
-- 

- Marko Poutiainen
  mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: US Soccer Development
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:18:11 GMT

In article <15935@bunny.GTE.COM> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa) writes:
>to learn from the mistakes of the NASL.  I think there will be  a good
>amount of fans that will be ready to go watch this new league but it must
>be run as a professional league not like the APSL. I feel that leagues
>like the ASPL and the SISL would make for excellent second division teams.

Good amount of fans in the new league? Where are all these 'real' fans
when the APSL first started out? Are _some_ of these 51,000 people who
showed up for the USA-Ireland last year in any way related to the so
called 'fair-weather' fans in UK? :-)

Well, everyone
has the right to criticize US soccer about the lack of a professional
league. The APSL has existed for 4 years and still the league average has
not gone higher than the 4,000 mark. How can these people freely speak their
mind about a pro league when there's one and they don't even bother to
attend a match? The APSL started out with 12 teams, all of them located in
or near major cities. Still, people made excuses about not attending 
those matches.
Excuses such as the league isn't professional (what does that suppose to
mean?) or they have 3rd rate facility, have always hindered the APSL's
growth. The APSL owners do not have $$$$ as their Italian counterparts,
so don't expect to see any teams signing a Gascoigne or Gullit soon.
Until alot of people start to realise that the APSL is a real league,
US soccer will never develop into a soccer power. Bora Milutinovic will
not always be there to mold 11 players into world class level after 
USA'94. So you can't possibly expect those 11 to carry the weight of US
soccer into the future if there is no league.

Sorry, this was not intended to flame anyone on the net. Those fans in the
US who understand my article know exactly what i'm refering to.

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From: dm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Darren Munson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:32:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Partick Thistle / Aldershot
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer


The FA has said that only one club will go up from the GM Vauxhaul Conf.

as they are going to be reducing the size of the league again soon.

The team that will go up will either be Colchester Utd or Wycombe Wanderers
these 2 teams are way ahead of the rest. Col Utd are currently top but only
on goal difference from Wycombe, who have a game in hand.

Darren Munson.
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English news: Tuesday results
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:45:08 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <u906789.703413706@bruny> u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>
> Liverpool have been awarded 26,000
>>tickets for the final with Sunderland, who must play in a change strip of
>>white shirts, given 18,000.
>
>That seems pretty unfair (No. of tickets) especially to Liverpool. Who gets the
>rest of the tickets? (There must be about 40,000).

The problem is that the FA issue half the tickets to all the clubs and
county FA's around athe country and so on. The tickets are dished out
according to the size of the club, so First Division clubs get a fair few
to share out between their players and staff while non-league clubs may just
get a few.

The trouble is that as most of the people allotted these tickets aren't
that interested in going to the game, many of them end up in the hand
of ticket touts (scalpers) who charge up to a couple of hundred quid
for them. The FA make all sorts of efforts to track down the tickets
sold via touts and every year a few players get their hands smacked for
selling their tickets, but the FA refuses to see that the policy of
dishing out these tickets and thus reducing the allocation per club
to below their average home gate is bound to cause a huge demand for
black market tickets.

Most people know that I attend Tottenham games fairly frequently, yet
last season I couldn't get a ticket even though I belong to the membership
scheme. In the end I couldn't afford to pay for a black market ticket
so had to watch the match on television which was annoying to say the
least. Regular fans who can't tickets should pray for a replay, because
then the tickets are all given to the two clubs involved.

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From: wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl (Jos Coenen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: More about shirts
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: wsinjosc@info.win.tue.nl

Inspired by KNVB's persistance to let Holland play in
the weirdest outfits (instead of the `classic' oufit) I intend to
to compile a list of national teams with the following data
Official name of the country, the nick name local and translated ,
the classic outfit (shirt,shorts,socks), current outfit.

Some examples (correct me if I'm wrong)

BELGIUM
Aka: De rode duivels = The red devils
Classic: Red shirt, red shorts, red socks
Current: Idem, except shirt has a small red-yellow-black band.

ENGLAND
Aka: none
Classic: Blue shirt, white shorts, blue socks
Current: Idem.

FRANCE
Aka: Les blues = The blue (colour)
Classic: Blue shirt, white shorts, blue socks
Current: Idem.

GERMANY (BRD)
Aka: none
Classic: White shirt, black shorts, black socks
Current: Idem, except shirt has a small red-yellow-black band.

IRELAND
Aka: none
Classic: Green shirt, white shorts, green socks
Current: Idem.

ITALY
Aka: Azzurri = The blue (colour)
Classic: Blue shirt, white shorts, blue socks
Current: Idem.

NETHERLANDS (Holland)
Aka: Oranje = The orange (colour)
Classic: orange shirt with little black lion, black shorts, orange socks
Current: Idem, except for white shorts.

SCOTLAND
Aka: none
Classic: Blue shirt, white shorts, blue socks
Current: Idem, except for hor. blue band on shorts.

SWEDEN
Aka: none
Classic: Yellow shirt, blue shorts, yellow socks
Current: Idem.

About 180 countries still missing :-)

Now, I'm simply to lazy to finish this list myself, so
if you have corrections or more data send a mail
to wsinjosc@win.tue.nl

Of course I'll post the complete list 

Jos
From: rdreyer@asparagus.math.berkeley.edu (Renaud Dreyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: More about shirts
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:17:19
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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In-reply-to: wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl's message of 14 Apr 92 16:42:38 GMT

In article <3324@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl (Jos Coenen) writes:

   Inspired by KNVB's persistance to let Holland play in
   the weirdest outfits (instead of the `classic' oufit) I intend to
   to compile a list of national teams with the following data
   Official name of the country, the nick name local and translated ,
   the classic outfit (shirt,shorts,socks), current outfit.

   Some examples (correct me if I'm wrong)

   FRANCE
   Aka: Les blues = The blue (colour)
        ---------
Les Bleus

   Classic: Blue shirt, white shorts, blue socks
                                      ----------
Red socks (thus blue-white-red, as the flag)

Ciao,

              Renaud


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