HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heading@breeze.rsre.mod.uk (Anthony Heading)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: How to have all the Printserver features without a Printserver.
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:41:49 GMT
Reply-To: heading@hermes.mod.uk
Organization: Defence Research Agency

Well this is excellent in theory. I wish I could get it to work. On my
DECstation, I have a QMS PS printer plugged into tty01. When I set
ct=dev lp=/dev/tty01 in the printcap file, the new ln03rcomm hangs:
debug level 1 shows it starting, and it doesn't exit until the job is
lprm'd.

If I set lp to output to a file, it writes quite happily, and
I can then cat that into tty01. Which is a work-around to an
extent.

I've tried all the obvious xs/xc/fs/fc switches.
Any idea what the problem might be?

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Heading  (heading@hermes.mod.uk)
DRA Malvern, UK
Any opinions expressed are my own and in no way
represent those of my employer or any other organization.
From: fredv@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Subject: Re: LAT card for Laserjet III
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:21:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.132433.1@gsbacd.uchicago.edu> aar_osman@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>
>Hi,
>	Is anybody aware of a network card that would plug into an
>HP LaserjetIII I/O slot that supports LAT or any DEC printing protocol?
>	There are plenty out there that supports Novell, Appletalk, and
>TCP/IP, but none that I know that supports LAT.
>	Thanks in advance.
> 
>/Osman
>
>P.S. I don't check the newserver too often; I will appreciate responses
>directly to me.
>

Contact XCD at 714-476-7855. They have LAT boards for the Laserjet III
and the IIISi. I beta tested the IIISi version recently and it works
great. They also distribute via resellers, so you may want to inquire
with the Andataco and Rsquared type companies.

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Need an Emulex UC18
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:26:21 GMT
Organization: Lee Havemann, HSH Associates



Anybody have an Emulex UC18 that they want to part with?


-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op    HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Alpha benchmarks
Keywords: alpha, benchmarks
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <1992Aug13.093121.4012@rdg.dec.com> evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug12.160844.2486@nosc.mil>, lem@nosc.mil (Lemuel L. Davis)
>writes:
>>Has anyone run or had DEC run any becnhmarks on Alpha systems? 
>
>    I was under the inpression that the users of Alpha porting machines
>had to sign agreements that they would _not_ run any benchmarks, as the
>machines that were being shipped were not representitive of the final
>configuration.

They sure said to me "please don't run any benchmarks" (NB, I'm no
longer in that job, so don't have access to the bits of paper).

Given the nature of the request, my assumption was that they (a)
thought it would be useless anyway, and (b) would tip a ton of bricks
over the company (under our non-disclosure agreements) if we published
anything about results.

>               Things such as compilers & microcode being optimised for
                                           ^^^^^^^^^
>ease of debugging, the OS & libraries built with debug, etc, etc.

_MICROCODE_????  On an ALPHA???

>    Human nature being what it is, I'd expect that your benchmarks come
>from such a machine. Would you care to post the details, i.e. where and
>who they come from and what tests were run?

yeah...  Drop them in the mire....
--
Robin (dump Brian Kay) Fairbairns, using the facilities of the U of
Cambridge Computer Lab, for which permission is gratefully acknowledged.
[Wonderful what a few job offers can do for one's self-esteem :-]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: levy@levy.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: MicroVAX I or II wanted! 
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:23:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.184529.22341@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner) writes:
> 
> If you have a MicroVAX I or II for sale please respond but only
> if you want under $800... Thanks...
> CW
> P.S. Please email responses...
> CW
> -- 
> Carlin Wiegner a.k.a. C-Man based here in Cleveland, Ohio, USA!
> aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu or rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
> "Anything less [than a NeXT] would be uncivilized..."

A complete MVII system for <$800?  Good luck.
From: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: LSI-11, RX02, RT-11.
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:31:08 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I have the opportunity to pick up the aformentioned items (basically an 
entire LSI-11 system) for what seems like a reasonable price.  I used one
of these briefly in a lab at school, and it seems like it might be a fun
system to play with.  

Are there any PDP-11 nuts out there who can tell me whether or not this is
a worthwhile thing to spend some money on?  Will I receive thousands of 
hours of hacking enjoyment from this system?  Is RT-11 a true path to
enlightenment?  Will this system at least look neat sitting in a corner
of my office or apartment?  Is there anything I can actually do with it? 

-- 
John Sullivan, Engineer/Computer Development.   Email: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com.
Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA.               Phone: (408)746-4688.
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Career prospects for people knowing VMS internals/drivers
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:00:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX


	I am interested in knowing what are the job prospects for folks
working in VMS, specifically those who are system programmers, device-
driver writers, know VMS internals. What are career prospects with
an experience of 2-3 yrs in this area ? I am interested in knowing this
since, most job ads one comes across in the job-related newsgroups
on Usenet, ask for people skilled in Unix/Unix internals/X/C++/RDBMS.

	You may post on the net if you like. But since I am not a 
very regular reader of this newsgroup, I will appreciate a response
to my email address:  dp@natinst.com

	Thanks !!

	Regards, Debapriya Ray

email: dp@natinst.com
National Instr
Austin, Texas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
From: jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: SIGGRAPH 1992 info request
Reply-To: jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:09:00 GMT


In article <planting-150892135927@calvin.cs.pitt.edu>, planting@cs.pitt.edu (Harry Plantinga) writes:
|>> 
|>> I'd like to hear from anyone who attended Siggraph 1992 a few weeks
|>> ago, especially what DEC had to show in their booth? I heard they
|>> were supposed to show ALPHA systems. If so which graphics boards
|>> were present and what applications were running?  Any details on
|>> DEC's PEX demos and interoperability with other vendors would be 
|>> appreciated too.
|>
|>Supposedly there were three Alpha workstations there; I think they were 150
|>MHz but I'm not certain.
|>
|>I only saw one of them.  It was making mandelbrot pictures, "racing" with
|>three other architectures on the same screen.  The closest competitor was
|>an HP 730, which seemed to be generating pictures at about half the speed.
|>
|>Since HP 730's have been available for about a year and Alpha workstations
|>won't be available for a few months, DEC appears to have caught up with HP
|>but not really surpassed them (assuming HP isn't standing still).
|>

 I was responsible for the Alpha machines at Siggraph, and staffed the
Mandelbrot demo, so I feel I should point out a couple of nits in this 
string so far:

	First, the HP machine was a 750, not a 730.   The 750 is HP's top of
	the line system.  (today)  We certainly know that HP is not standing
	still, and have made our plans accordingly.

	Second, the Alpha machine that you saw was running at 150 Mhz.  This
	system was running a full 64-bit implementation of OSF/1

	Third, there were three other Alpha machines in the booth, all running
	VMS and third party applications.  Two desktop machines (running 
	at slightly slower than 150Mhz) and one additional deskside machine.
	These systems were running AVS (Visualization) Ansys (finite element
	analysis) and Anvil (MCAD) from third parties. *NONE* of the systems
	had any 3D Graphics acceleration in them as we're not quite there
	yet with our 3D Drivers. Even without 3D hardware, 3D performance
	was very impressive. (or so our customers have said)



--


William M. Jackson
Alpha Workstation Product Marketing Manager
Workstation Engineering
Digital Equipment Corporation
146 Main Street
Maynard, MA 01754

Mail:	Jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com


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From: reagan@hiyall.enet.dec.com (John R. Reagan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.lang.pascal
Subject: Looking for input on Digital Pascal products
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:46:16 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hello,

We are looking for input about future Digital Pascal products (especially
on non-OpenVMS platforms).

If you are an existing Pascal for RISC user on the DECstations, we'd like
to hear from you.

If you are an existing Pascal user on a non-Digital Unix-based machine,
we'd like to hear from you.

If you have any input about Pascal compilers done right vs done wrong
anywhere, we'd like to hear from you.

We'll take written comments, but if you'd like to speak on the phone, 
or even in person (anybody in Hawaii?), that is fine also.

So role up your comments, suggestions, criticisms about Pascals (especially
on non-OpenVMS platforms) and send them to me at reagan@tle.enet.dec.com.
(I'm going out of town for a couple of weeks, but I'll try to respond
to each and everyone of you in September.)  Be sure to include a reply
address, perhaps a phone number, etc. 

Thank you for taking the time to give us input.  Also, don't followup to
these groups, since I don't read them regularly.  I'll be happy to post
a summary if anybody is interested.

John Reagan
DEC Pascal Project Leader
reagan@tle.enet.dec.com or reagan@hiyall.enet.dec.com
Disclaimer:  The opinions and statements expressed by me are not
             necessarily those of Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Upgrading to 65+ users
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Followup-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

I need a little assistance.  
We recently lost a disk on out MicroVax.  After restoring the system
from the original tapes, we were back to the "Only 2 users" limit.
I have the original 65+ tape as well, but I don't have the instructions
on how to apply this upgrade.  I tried using "setld", but it doesn't
work and I suspect the procedure was different anyway.

Can anyone refresh ny memory on how to install this upgrade??

bill

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
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From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:26:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc

Hi Leigh

I too have the same problem, although it is restricted to
Openwindows 3.0.  I know the Openwindows server must have

*useColorObj:   false

or the hpterm will delay waiting for the server to agree to
letting the hpterm modify the server's colormap (which OW3
wont let you do). That is a bug in OW and hpterm.  But I have
never seen this seg fault stuff before except with a
keysymDB problem.

So if you get an answer (I asked about a week ago) I would like to know
too!

stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: scowen@wfpc3.uucp (Paul A. Scowen)
Subject: floppy drive rx26 on a personal decstation?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Arizona State Universsity
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:24:05 GMT

Hi,

I've just got my nice brand spanking new decstation 5000/25 and I'm
attempting to use the floppy drive.  I've identified the fd0 devices in /dev
as the appropriate locations to address, but I'm having trouble successfully
using the device.

My guess is that when I pop in one of the two disks they provide you with
that you have to use newfs to format the disk, and then use mount to get to
it.  Every time I attempt this using the rx26 pattern in disktab I get an
error involving a failure to access the partition table.

I previously used Suns and they had a format command that would allow you to
reformat disks - is there something like this on a DS, because I can't find
one?  Any help from the gurus out there would be appreciated.

NB.  Has anyone developed scripts to do this sort of thing: format a floppy
disk, mount the drive, unmount the drive, etc..?


-- 
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From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Number of users on an old PDP-11?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:30:35 GMT


How much memory do you think I would need to have 10 users on an
old PDP-11? Also, where might be a place where I can get a 
network board (ethernet)? How much? How much for a 100 meg hard
disk? How much are dumb terminals going for? Thanks for the help
... Please email replies...
CW
-- 
Carlin Wiegner a.k.a. C-Man based here in Cleveland, Ohio, USA!
aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu or rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
"Anything less [than a NeXT] would be uncivilized..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.protocols.nfs
From: csgoh@iti.gov.sg (Goh Chien Seng)
Subject: NFS server for VMS
Summary: Sourcing for NFS server for VMS
Keywords: NFS,VMS
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:00:37 GMT

I have a VAX 6610 machine running VMS version 5.5 and WIN/TCP release 5.2.  
I am soucing for a NFS server for the VAX machine so that PCs running PC/TCP 
could mount from the VMS file system.

I am wondering any of you can provide me with a list of available NFS servers, 
be it proprietory or not, that can serve my needs.

Thank you very much.

Regards,
chengseng
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Running RZ55's on non-DEC machines?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:18:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: thendara.AJC.92Aug13151849
	<1992Aug12.091140.58076@cc.usu.edu> <1992Aug12.180111.28254@PA.dec.com>
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Aug12.180111.28254@PA.dec.com> heiney@pa.dec.com (Bob Heiney) 
writes:


>> If you have an ULTRIX system, you can connect the RZ55 and
>> run "rzdisk -c ask /dev/rrz3c" (assuming the RZ55 was SCSI id 3).
>> Go to the last page of parameters, change the spin up on power on
>> field.  See rzdisk(8) for more info.

>> I know there are PC programs that can do the same thing, but I don't
>> know how to get them (I'm not a PC guru).

  
Folks,

  Since the RZ55 drives do not have a jumper to set spin up on power up,
setting the characteristic as outlined above is probably the only way to
do it. Some DEC drives do have such a jumper, the RZ55 just doesn't happen
to be one of them.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: gbcacm@ccs.northeastern.edu (grater boston chapter of the acm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VS3100/30 speed hack
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:14:35 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug21.094137.23@nsrvan.vanc.wa.us> sysevm@nsrvan.vanc.wa.us writes:
>	I noticed upon opening up my VS3100/30 that the *only* changes between
>it and the 'faster' VS3100/40 are the clock (66.6666 MHz vs 44.4444 MHz) and
>a jumper. This is down to the chip part number.

Even though the chips may be the same manufacturer's part number, they may have
been selected by DEC for additional speed. Since the errors you can get from
using chips that are too slow are random, unpredictable, temperature- and
power-supply-dependent, it's not a good idea to try this.

>	Do you need additional cooling above 66 MHz?

This is another reason not to try it; ICs draw more power at higher-speed
operation.
Peter Sherwood
(617) 332-8880
gbcacm@ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.dec.micro
From: marten@ilt.fhg.de (Lutz Marten)
Subject: Benchmarks R3000 vs. R4000 available ?
Keywords: R3000 R4000
Reply-To: marten@ilt.fhg.de
Organization: FhG-ILT
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:19:00 GMT


Hello,
has anyone benchmarks, eg.g SPEC's, for the MIPS R3000 and R4000 chips?
ThanX !
--
# Lutz Marten,  Postmaster and general dogsbody 
# Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft Institut fuer Lasertechnik 
# BITNET: KQ040MA@DACTH11 , InterNet: marten@ilt.fhg.de                        
# HEPNET: 13533::52714::MARTEN, Phone: +49/241/8906-112, -0
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Booting a VAX 11/730
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:40:00 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK


 In article <1992Aug18.154708.21277@ncsu.edu> ms@ncsu.edu (Mark Stubbs) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>We have recently acquired a VAX 11/730 with RL02 and RA80 disk drives,
>and a TU58 tape drive.  What we need to know is this:  
>
>    - How can you install ULTRIX on this beast,  given the only
>      seemingly usefull installation media is the ethernet.
>    - Are there any bootstraps on TU58 tape for doing a kind of network
>      boot? (IE Attempt to configure it as a diskless machine at first?)

If you have a DEUNA ethernet interface then this can be configured to
boot the main processor from a remote machine over the ethernet. The
manual isnt very clear about the protocol that needs to be implemented
on the remote machine to do this, however. Might be of some help though -
have a look at Appendix B of the DEUNA users guide.

-bat.
-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )     -+
Adaptive Systems Engineering    |
                                +-       memento mori, remember to die
From: Paul.Leonard@MDC@p110.f48.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Paul Leonard@MDC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: PDP-11 version of PASCAL wanted in OZ.
Date: 12 Aug 92 04:36:57 GMT

> From: geremin@decus.com.au
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec


> Hello ALL,
> 		I have had a request from a member in Tasmania who
> needs a copy of a PASCAL compiler for either RSX or RSTS. 

> 		I have located a manual for Oregon PASCAL v1.2 
> that was released for RSTS/E v7. and is dated circa 1980.

Got it here - gimme a call.

Paul Leonard
Market Decisions Corp.
U.S. 1-503-245-4479  (Portland, OR)

or write:
paul.leonard@p110.f48.n105.z1.fidonet.org

ptl
  
Newsgroups: uiuc.sys.dec,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.pdp-11,misc.forsale.computers,uiuc.classifieds.computer
From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Subject: Much Needed:  DELQA Ethernet card for PDP11/73+
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:37:20 GMT

The critical control computer for several of our experiments has been having
hardware problems.  The most recent problem is that the DELQA Ethernet card
is causing bus problems on the system.  (The CPU refuses to boot when the 
DELQA card is installed.  Other hardware on the system includes:  a 4Mb 
memory card, an MXV11B multifunction card, a GPIB card, a parallel card,
disk drive card, a tape drive card, and a DHV11 serial card (which is also
down).)

I would appreciate suggestions for repairing the card and/or a pointer to
an inexpensive, used DELQA card if possible.

Please send me email at:  b-banko@uiuc.edu

Thank you.

Brad Banko


-- 
Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  b-banko@uiuc.edu, KB8CNE
=========================================================================
TI NUCLEAR MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING OF CHOCOLATE CONFECTIONERY AND THE
   SPATIAL DETECTION OF POLYMORPHIC STATES OF COCOA BUTTER IN CHOCOLATE
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From: kchiles@mesa.llnl.gov (Keith Chiles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Configuring a DECstation 5000/240 for use as a "server"
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: kchiles@mesa.llnl.gov (Keith Chiles)
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


|> 
|> 
|> I have a DECstation 5000/240 targetted as an applications and file server
|> for roughly 30-40 DECstation 5000/25 Maxines.  No one client is going to
|> be any major load.  No user files or critical OS files are going to be
|> on the server, just some applications that are best served (FrameMaker),
|> and a few work-related files.  I intend to run the server as a mail and
|> Hesiod "hub", and it may be called upon to serve a half-dozen MS-DOS
|> clients via NFS as well as what's listed above.  The server has 32 MB
|> of RAM, plenty of disk, and will be headless, to the best of my knowledge.
|> 
|> My question is:  What sort of configuration changes will I need to
|> be doing to optimize the performance and effectiveness of the 240
|> as a server?  What sort of software should I be running?  Help!
|> 
|> 
|>                                              ...Sensei
|> 
|> ==
|>  Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
|>  UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei                      
|> 
I am running a DECstation 5000/200 as a server and all we did was to set the 
buffcache to about 50% to set aside a bunch more memory for file caching.
We run dataless configuration with /usr being exported to the clients and 
/ root and swap on each workstaton.  The one thing I would suggest to really
speed up writes is to add a prestoserve board.  I have one on my 5900 and 
it really makes it zip.  I can actually feel the difference when I turn it off.

Probably the most important thing is to disable logins to the server.  I
made the 
mistake of letting one person compile on the server and all hell broke
loose.
Next thing I knew is that we were getting nfs timeouts and everyone
started 
logging into the server to work (because of all the timeouts).  Don't
let that
happen to you.

Cheers, Keith
kchiles@arac.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec