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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Celibate wizards
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:32:14 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long) writes:

>I'd love to
>see the witch/wizard sides of the coin explored more!  HINT HINT  ;-)

Looks like there wasn't enough "count the legs and divide by two" sex in
it for you. However, at the end of "Equal Rites" there was something
about a movement of more tolerance, of which you couldn't notice any-
thing anymore in further books. Did it get lost again in the Jung-le of
mysogyny, or what?


Be a Cool Freud!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: damian@cs.monash.edu.au (Damian Conway)
Subject: Re: why wasn't this in the APF?
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:50:24 GMT

scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:


>just finished reading the APF, and the bit about reaper man didn't 
>have the parallels from ALIENS, eg:

Yeah, I laughed myself senseless (not _too_ hard to do, mind you) when I 
realized.

>So, has anybody mentioned these before? does anyone know of any 
>more?

There's also the line:

	"Whatever you're gonna do, do it soon!"

which appears (in some form) in both.
Also, both groups speculate at some point about a queen:

	"another form, something we haven't seen yet"

or words to that effect.

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From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: Wanted some info
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:47:44 GMT

ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills) writes:

> Katrina Hill (khill@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au) wrote:
> : 	the only problem [with TP books] is that the people at/in the book 
> : 	store did not know the order, or even if there was one...could some 
> : 	body help me please.

> The other books in the series are:
> 
> [ Incomplete List, which leaves out Reaperman and Eric, deleted ]
>
> (I am bound to have forgotten some.)

Far be it from me to flame people who come to us for information, or
people who try to be helpful in reply. But I just can't help
wondering:

Katrina: why didn't you try to find the FAQ for a.f.p before asking
this question? It is netiquette to not jump in and start posting away
to a newsgroup, precisely because your question is one of those
frequently asked ones that everybody is sick of seeing for the
millionth time.

Andrew: why didn't you direct Katrina towards the FAQ instead of
giving an answer, which you already suspected to be incomplete? You
won't be helping her much, this way.

Nathan Torkington's FAQ for alt.fan.pratchett is archived and
available for ftp everywhere where news.answers is archived, and is
also readily available via more newfangled methods such as gopher or
WAIS. It answers all questions about Terry Pratchett's books and their
order and availability in excruciating detail, down to the ISBN
numbers.

Even better: it is posted regularly to both this newsgroup and
news.answers. All you have to do is just sit and read a.f.p for two
weeks or so, and everything will be handed to you on a silver platter.

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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Why do wizards need to be celibate?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:35:54 GMT

About wizards being celibate:

- Man, magic is soo much better than sex, anyway :)
- No-one wants to have sex with a wizard, anyway, so we might as well make it
  a rule so we don't lose our face.
- Just to annoy the youngsters :)

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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:29:47 +0000

In article <1992Sep7.223515.795@mel.dit.csiro.au> ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew 
Waugh) wrote:

>         Dans ce pays-co il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral
>         pour encourager les autres.
>         (In this country we find it pays to shoot an admiral from time to
>         time to encourage the others)

tuer = to kill (no implication of method as far as I know).
tirer = to shoot.

> The reference to shooting is probably correct, 

.. albeit for the wrong reason ... :-)

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From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Book Reviews
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:24:40 GMT
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich

In article <Bu2w5v.64B@world.std.com> kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long) writes:
>    In the recently published Nov 1992 issue of _Asimov's
>Science Fiction_ Norman Spinrad reviews several humorous
>fantasy and science fiction books.  (The column is called
>"On Books: These Are the Jokes, Folks.")  He reviews
>_Moving Pictures_ and is not very flattering.  Here is
>an excerpt:
>  
>    "Pratchett has made a reputation for himself as perhaps the
>  genre's currently most successful comic novelist with a series of
>  novels set on the 'Discworld,' a saucer shaped thingy sitting on
>  the backs of four gigantic elephants standing on the back of an
>  even more immense cosmic turtle sailing or swimming through space.
>    Okay, the set-up itself is a one-liner good for a chuckle at
>  creation myths, and Pratchett has used it to do a series of
>  comic novels sending up wizards, magic, swordsmen, the whole
>  fantasy apparatus.  There have been four of them before
>  _Moving Pictures_,
                                       ^^^^

Would you trust the judgement of somebody who can't count?  :-)

Matthias
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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Donald Westlake's _Humans_ and _Good Omens_
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:36:16 GMT


I just read a book with a 1991 copyright date by a U.S. author named
Donald Westlake, called _Humans_, and there are quite a few resemblances
to _Good Omens_.  

Anyone else read the Westlake and think the same thing?  Think that there
were perhaps a bit too many to be coincidence?

Ordinarily I greatly enjoy Westlake, who does have a good touch for
comedy, but this work was pretty _bad_, not to mention feeling a bit, uh,
recycled....

I can get more info on the book, like publisher, ISBN, whatever, if anyone
is interested.

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From: anthony@nella12.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony Baxter)
Subject: Truckers TV show (Diggers & Wings?)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:59:23 GMT

Ok, courtesy of a friend just returned from Britain, I now own a copy
of the Truckers television show on video (well, the feature-length version,
according to the cover). Does anyone know if the other two books (Diggers and
Wings) will be filmed also?

As far as the show itself, I liked it. It mixes the animation of the nomes
with the real humans quite well, and most of the nomes are more or less as I'd
imagined them from the books. The Thing really reminded me of the Book in
the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, especially with the 'narration' of sorts
that it did.

Now, if only some TV station can pick it up here, and show it.


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From: ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills)
Subject: Re: Wanted some info
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:09:29 GMT

Katrina Hill (khill@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au) wrote:
: 	After almost a year of thinking about going and getting some
: 	Terry Pratchett books i finally did...the only problem is that
: 	the poeple at/in the book store did not know the order, or even
: 	if there was one...could some body help me please.  I would just
: 	haten to start reading them and then find i can't get the second
: 	last in a series or something.  It HAS happened before and i was
: 	most put out.
: 
: 	Thanks Heaps.
: 
: 	Trina  ->  K.Hill@appcomp.utas.edu.au

The order of the Discworld books really does not matter, however, the later
works of TP are a bit more refined than the first couple.

The first two Discworld books are The Color of Magic and then The Light
Fantastic.  If you read and like these two books I would recommend getting
your hands on the rest of them.

The other books in the series are:

	Equal Rites.
	Mort.
	Sourcery.
	Wyrd Sisters.
	Pyramids.
	Guards! Guards!
	Witches Abroad.
	Small Gods.

	(I am bound to have forgotten some.)

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From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Re: Weatherwax
Keywords: weatherwax
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.223733.19536@wam.umd.edu> jengagne@wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne) writes:
>Seems to be a bit 'o confusion over this issue...
>
>WELL... okay, we know that the 8th son of an 8th son is a wizard (or a 
>sourcer, I'm not on my math here in the undereducated americas).  Galder
>Weatherwax was at one time an archchanncelor, and Esme Weatherwax is a witch.

	O.k., it seems that no one can agree on this count.  I was just re 
reading "Sourcery" and found several conflicting answers explained within.  
Ipslore the Red was a wizard.  He had eight sons, the eighth of which was a
Sourceror.  From that I conclude that celibacy was encouraged for wizards so
as to control the number of sourcerors.  Ipslore continued to have full control
over his powers despite his lack of celibacy. ("I may be old, but I still have  some power.") but Rincewind comments mentally in an argument with himself about the reduction of power that breaking celibacy causes.
	Oh, a note to all of the mysoginists who claim that it's the female 
factor that does it.  If that were the case, then how come the wizards haven't  resorted to homosexuality.  It's the sex itself, not the gender that is the problem.
					-Steve
					kyraan@bach.udel.edu

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From: woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Woodhams)
Subject: Re: Celibate wizards
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Observatory
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.121108.1@venus.resntl.bhp.com.au> andrew@venus.resntl.bhp.com.au writes:
>vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
> 
>>In all myths and legends I know of, wizards are celibate. I believe
>>it has something to do with the idea that anyone who has sex with
>>women/becomes enamoured of a woman will no longer be fully in power
>>over his own life. 
>> 
>This seems to parallel the commonly held view that footballers should not
>"indulge" the night before a big match because it "saps their strength or
>something". From what I've seen, this has about as much validity in an
>objective, physical sense as celibacy for wizards. (Unless I've missed some
>recent research results - should I be cross-posting this to
>alt.folklore.urban? ;-)
>

I've done some research on this. The test group contained 50 wizards
and 10 prostitutes, and the control was just 50 wizards. Each group
was left locked in a hotel for 1 week, then each wizard was tested for
magical capacity, rated in rpm. (rabbits per minute.) The celibate
wizards did better than the non-celibate ones, but the results were
only significant to the 2 sigma level.

Michael W.
From: Jsr@Xyzzy.equinox.gen.nz (J S Russell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:51:56 +1200
Organization: Alternative Micro Systems Ltd
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pfe@meryl.csd.uu.se (Per Ekman) writes:
:
: I don't think it has been mentioned that Necrotelecomnincon is obviously
: a pun on Necronomicon, a (fictional) occult book that is mentioned in
: several books and stories by american fantasy/horror writer H.P. Lovecraft.
: And the extra "telecom" is of course useful if you want to speak to someone
: far away...

Fictional? But I've got the paperback! It even has one of those 
"Wow! Great!" quotes from Anne McCaffrey, on the front cover.

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From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Weatherwax
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:49:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep9.223231.22416@rdg.dec.com>, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep9.202951.27558@ugle.unit.no>,
> leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) writes:
> |>
> |>In article <1992Sep8.041814.1915@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
> |>mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
> |> > Question: 
> |> > 
> |> > Were Galder Weatherwax, the chancelor of the University or whatever in
> |> > The Light Fantastic, and Granny Weatherwax, related at all?  I think
> |> > we should be told!
> |>
> |>They were.  They definitely were.  I can't remember in which book it was, but
...........
> |>completely wrong?
> 
> I think you're thinking of the scene in Reaper Man where a delegation of wizards
.........
> The Archchancellor in question is Ridcully, not Galder Weatherwax, and the
> High Priest in question most definitely is not Granny Weatherwax.
> 
> --PSW

I think the other source of confusion here is that, (in Equal Rites I believe)
it turns out the the esteemed Ms. Esme Weatherwax and the Archchancellor 
were from the same area of the Disc (neighbouring/same village) and knew each
other.
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From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu (The Panicked Hamster)
Subject: Question:  SJG has DW rights?
Organization: jOakland fUniversity, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:25:15 GMT


Hello, world!

At this year's GenCon (North America's big role-playing game convention),
rumor was rampant that Steve Jackson Games had acquired the rights to do
a Diskworld RPG.

Terry has previously stated that he didn't want an official Diskworld RPG.
Is the rumor mill simply feeding itself on air again, or has TP changed his
mind?  Or is something else going on?

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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:10:59 GMT

morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer) writes:

>	Flat out wrong.  The dodo was a big flightless bird that tasted like
>chicken.  Sailors ate them until there were none left.  Something similar

Strange that.  Almost all 'exotic' meats are supposed to taste like
chicken.  Alligator tastes of it, some smaller lizards apparently
do as do snakes...  Why is it therefore that places like Kentucky Fried
are totally incapable of making chicken tasting chicken burgers?

And we won't mention McNuggets so ignore this line.


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From: pdc@temple.demon.co.uk.demon.co.uk (Piers Cawley)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Sharon and Tracy
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In article <Bu2A0o.n2H@ibmpcug.co.uk> dbergin@ibmpcug.co.uk (Derek Bergin) writes:

> Your memory is perfect.  I have the copy in front of me, and it says
> 	where the adventuresses Herrena the Henna-Haired
> 	Harridan, Red Scharron and Diome, Witch of the
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                   a reference to Red Sonja maybe ??.
> 
> (A early Arnie movie - with Brigitte Neilson?? - god my memory is failing
> me in my old age)

  And before that a character in Barry Windsor Smith Conan the Barbarian.
  She was also parodied to great effect as Red Sophia in Dave Sim's
  terminally excellent Cerebus comic.

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From: ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 22:35:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.035245.15757@mel.dit.csiro.au> ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.020855.3524@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills) writes:
>>  "Monsters are getting more uppity, too," said another.  "I heard
>>where this guy, he killed this monster in this lake, no problem,
>>stuck its arm up over the door - "
>>  "Pour encourjay lays ortras," said one of the listeners.
>
>Voltaire, I believe (albeit atrociously spelt, of course). Roughly "To
>encourage the others". Voltaire made the remark when the British hung
>Admiral Bryng -- one of their own admirals -- as a punishment for losing
>a naval battle.

Since people like definite things, the full quote is:

	Dans ce pays-co il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral
	pour encourager les autres.

	(In this country we find it pays to shoot an admiral from time to
	time to encourage the others)

It is from Chapter 23 of 'Candide'. At least that is what the Book of
Quotations says; my copy of Candide has gone missing, presumed reshelved
(never move books :-).

Admiral John Byng (1704-1757) was executed after failing to relieve Minorca.
The reference to shooting is probably correct, I seem to remember that
Byng requested it as a more dignified way to go than the more traditional
execution by hanging. 'Candide', incidentally, was published in 1759.

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From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Weatherwax
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:21:40 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep8.041814.1915@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
>Were Galder Weatherwax, the chancelor of the University or whatever in
>The Light Fantastic, and Granny Weatherwax, related at all?  I think

I think that they are. At least one other wizard comes from the ramtops.
I forget whether TP wrote that the wizard Weatherwax comes from the
ramtops. Also in a place where there is little else to do, producing
an eighth son of an eighth son is much more likely there than elsewhere.

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From: jon@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Jon Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: THIS'LL TEST YOU.......
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:45:43 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

I finished reading Reaper Man for about the 6th time last night, when my
flatmate pointed out to me that there was something VERY wrong with the
cover of the book. We are talking serious ERROR here. It didn't take me
_too_ long to find the problem - once I saw it, it stuck out like, like,
erm, like something that sticks out an awful lot....

But what is it?

Answers on the back of a 5-pound note (or equivalent!), or alternatively by
e-mail to me. Don't post the answer yet - let people suffer a bit - a few
sleepless nights...

I'll post the answer towards the end of next week, maybe....

BTW, apologies if this has already been done to death on the Net......!

Jon

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From: pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Metaphor, anyone ?
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:34:57 GMT

> In article <1992Sep8.081611.26816@comp.lancs.ac.uk>, dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley) writes:
>> A friend of mine is including a definition of _metaphor_ in his 
>> thesis, and I recall some such in a Discworld book (Pyramids ?).
>> Before I go re-reading the whole lot, can anyone give me accurate
>> information where I will find this ?
>> 
Now I found one more (not that it is stricty a definition - more a cyclic
joke). Moving Pictures p.124 (Corgi paperback edition):
\begin{quote}
`Have I ever lied to you?'
Silverfish's brow furrowed. `Well,' he said, `yesterday you said---'
`I mean {\it metaphorically}' said Dibbler quickly.
`Oh. Well. Metaphorically? I suppose not---'
\end{quote}

Still have a feeling there was more somewhere...
						Michal 
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