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From: Cindy.Cole@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Cole)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: OCEAN TIDES PROJECT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:03:52 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

She:Kon Kwe Kwe
     I was very excited when I saw your recent post to Rita and hope you don't mind my interjection.  I have always wanted to visit the Bay and see that incredible tide I have heard so much about.  Could you tell me where one of the best spots to view this is and other spots of interest.  Which ferry would you think would be best, the Portland, Bar Harbor or Saint John's? We would be traveling from western Mass.  Could you also tell me where I might get a schedule of these and tidal charts foryour area.  A


lso I have the atlas in my lap but can't find Cole Harbor, could you give me some other spots close by.?
                                        Sken:nen


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From: potter@cvgs.schools.virginia.edu (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: New Computer Astronomy Course 1992
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Lynchburg)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:07:02 GMT

Please sign up one eager teacher and his class.
I am Steve Potter at Heritage High School in Lynchburg,
Virginia 24502 USA
				Thanks
From: Andrew.Amster@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Andrew Amster)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Environmental ed writers
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:57:44 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

Boston-area publisher seeks creative science writers/authors for secondary-level environmental publication.

The project goal is to promote critical thinking about science and society issues and to enable students to make respon sible descisions related to environmental issues.

Experience writing case studies desired but not required.

Send a brief letter of interest and description of published work or resume to:

       Scieed on America Online
       Scieed@aol.com via the Internet
       75410,1364 on Compuserve
       or return address in head if via K12,Econet, etc.

Fax number and mailing address available on request.




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From: Rita.Requa@f58.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Rita Requa)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: whales
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 06:15:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/58 - Silver Lake, Everett WA

* In a message originally to All, Larry Denton said:
LD> I am trying to find information--magazines, pictures,
LD> videos, etc, concerning whales.  Specifically, for grades 1
LD> or 2.  If you have such information, please leave a message.
mailing address, I will send you some things from the Pacific 
Science Center in Seattle that I have collected.  Right now I don't 
have at my fingertips books and videos, but when I get to school 
today I will get them for you.  Where is Hobson, MT?
Rita Requa, Parkwood Elementary, Shoreline SD, Seattle

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From: Danny.King@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Danny King)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: communicate!!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:17:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV

 -=> Quoting Jim Vincent to Science Types <=-

 JV> Hello from Coronado High School Science Department!!
 JV> Is anybody out there???  We'd like to hear from you.
 JV> Please leave mail with:
 JV> Jim Vincent

I'm out here. I don't know if I am allowed to talk to you or not, but if
I'm not, I'm sure that someone will let me know.
Later.....
        Danny




... Common sense isn't.



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From: Arthur.Hill@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Hill)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: NOVA SCOTIA TIDES
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:28:51 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Cindy:

I got your message today, September 2. We are just going back to
school today. 

The tides in the Bay Of Fundy are the highest in the world. They
rise and fall as much as 50 feet in some places. The record is a
place called Burncoat Head on the Minas Basin with a tide of 54
feet. In some places entire harbours are completely emptied of
water, and fishing boats are left sitting on the mud. I spent a
couple of days this summer camping at Five Islands Provincial
Park, and vast mud flats are left there when the tide goes out,
and you can almost see it creeping in when it comes back in.

It wouldn't really matter which ferry you took, because the ones
from Maine both dock at Yarmouth, and a drive up the coastal
highway along the Bay Of Fundy would give you lots of places to
see the tides. The farther you go into the bay, the more dramatic
the tides get, so the area around the Minas Basin and the
Cobequid Bay would be the best areas. The ferry from St. Johns
N.B. would be good because it actually crosses the Bay Of Fundy,
but if you were driving that far anyway, it would be better to
drive right to Nova Scotia and take the road from Amherst to
Truro called the GLOOSCAP TRAIL. This is the area with the
highest tides.

I couldn't find any information on the tides, but it would be
best to come and spend a day or so anyway. The tides go in and
out twice a day, so you can't miss them . . .

There is a Nova Scotia tourist information centre in Portland
Maine, that is open year round. You can call there toll free at
1-800-341-6096. Ask for "The Doers and Dreamers Complete Guide",
and a provincial map. They may be able to give you information on
tide charts. I will also look into it for you.

As for Cole Harbour, I don't wonder you couldn't find it. It is a
small suburb of Dartmouth, which is across the harbour from
Halifax, the capital city. That should be on your atlas, and that
is close enough. If you get a Nova Scotia Map from the above
number, look above the "D" in Dartmouth and you will see Cole
Harbour!

Hope you make it to our province! I hope this has been useful!

<<<< ART >>>>

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From: Dan.Hickey@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Hickey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: ScienceNet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:42:54 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Scott,
        I am interested in finding out more about what you are up to.
I am working on my PhD in cognitive studies and work at the Vanderbilt
Learning technology center.  I am supported under the NASA space grant 
program and have prototype directed-inquiry science ed program that is 
designed to get6th to 10th grade students to generate scientific problems related to planning a mars mission.  We are developing lots of materials 
to support their investigations, but want to expand to electronic access
to different kinds of experts as well as other students woorrking on similar
problems.
        Some of the researchers here want to try to develop a system
on our Vax but I think that there is probably a system out there already.
Mostly I am looking for telnet accessable systems where people with 
knowledge about space science would be willing to respond to queries from
students and teachers.  Any input is welcome and apprecieted.
Dan Hickey
HICKEYDT@VUCTRVAX.BITNET


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From: Larry.Denton@f7.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Denton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: whales
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:08:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/7 - The Russell Country, Hobson MT

I am trying to find information--magazines, pictures, videos, etc, concerning whales.  Specifically, for grades 1 or 2.  If you have such information, please leave a message. Thanks!


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From: Grover.Partee@f58.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Grover Partee)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Soil Testing
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 08:13:04 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/58 - Silver Lake, Everett WA

===========================================================================
 BBS: Silver Lake BBS
Date: 08-17-92 (21:10)             Number: 12319
From: FRANK MILLER                 Refer#: NONE
  To: ALL                           Recvd: NO
Subj: Soil Testing                   Conf: (63) K12_SCI_ED
FM>Am looking for particulars on electrical conductivity testing for salt
FM>content of soils. Have seen references to four-probe and paste methods.
FM>would like to build, calibrate, and use necessary devices or buy if
FM>cheap enough for starving college student.

Hi, Frank -

  Roy Jones, a scientist in our Environmental Services Division (EPA
Region 10, Seattle), suggested you check out the GISCO catalog
available from:
    Geophysical Instrument and Supply Co
    4665 Joliet St
    Denver, CO  80239
    303-371-1940
The catalog has a discussion of methods and different types of probes.
(I won't try to extract because it's not my field at all and I would
probably leave out all the important stuff!) Roy has an Internet/email
box: jones.roy@epamail.epa.gov, but I'm frankly not sure he ever
checks it. Better to call him at 206-553-7373.  GISCO, Roy admits,
sells the "Cadillacs" of testers.  He wondered whether you might have
any luck borrowing from mining companies (assuming you are in/near
Helena, MT.)  You might be able to buy an older machine from them - or
perhaps one in need of some time-consuming but otherwise relatively
inexpensive repair?  Could they make the donation a tax-deductible
one?

  You might also check with Mike Roulier, at CERL, EPA's Cincinnati
Environmental Research Lab, 513-569-7796. (Sorry, he doesn't seem to
have an email address at all!)

FM>                                            Anybody have any data on
FM>salicornia rubra (Red Glasswort), a small succulent weed that grows
FM>in saline seep?

  What sort of data are you seeking?  Salicornia is common in sandy
intertidal areas around Puget Sound.  It is a pioneering stabilzer of
developing spits and is, BTW, quite tasty!


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From: Paul.Dickinson@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Dickinson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Modem Setup
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 23:01:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

Hi Jim,
How are things going with the modem?  ave you "met" any new friends on the
 line?  If you haave any trouble or any good ideas about how to get the network
 stimulated, let me know.   You might like to add the number for "Nerdnet" to
 your Modem's phone book.  It is just for math and science teachers.  Quite
 active, too.

Have fun,

Paul 

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From: Dan.Lafica@f615.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Lafica)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: New Computer Astronomy Co
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:13:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/615 - Scolasticom, Palmyra NY

Dr. Land

   I am a high school science teacher in Palmyra, New York State

   The astronomy course sounds fantastic ...... please enroll me

   Dan LaFica
   Palmyra-Macedon High School
   Palmyra, New York   14522
   USA

   Fidonet   1:260/615
   (I am the sysop)


..... Dan

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From: Grover.Partee@f58.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Grover Partee)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Washington Coastweeks
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:13:05 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/58 - Silver Lake, Everett WA

Events for Educators during Washington CoastWeeks
- The following was extracted from the Washington CoastWeeks "Journal
of Events."  CoastWeeks run from September 5 through October 4 and the
activities are primarily in the counties around Puget Sound. Copies of
the Journal may be obtained be calling 1-800-RECYCLE.

Watershed Education Workshop for Teachers
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Explore a local watershed and learn ways to incorporate watershed
education into science curriculum.  Participants will visit facilities
within a watershed, engage in discussions, sample lab activities, and
become familiar with existing programs.  Saturday, October 17,
8:30-3pm, Snake Lake Nature Center, 1919 S Tyler, Tacoma.  $12 fee.
WSTA clock hours available.  Register by October 9 by calling
591-6439.  Sponsored by Outdoor Adventures-Metropolitan Park District
of Tacoma.

Discover Wild Wetlands
++++++++++++++++++++++
Wetlands workshops throughout the fall.  Participants will learn
wetlands identification and functions, teaching activities, field
explorations, and will participate in a decision-making simulation
game.  Pre-register by calling 206-459-6774.  Various dates and
locations (Yelm, Bothell, Bellvue, Port Towsend, Poulsbo/Kingston,
Puyallup, Yakima and Spokane)  $20 fee includes Discover Wetlands and
Aquatic Project WILD curricula.  Sponsored by the Washington State
Departments of Ecology and Wildlife.

Beachwalk for Educators
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Beachwalk with seining; focus on educational activities for the
classroom.  Free.  Wednesday, 3-5 pm, September 30,  Tolmie State
Park, Tilley Rd S, Olympia.  Contact: Diane Ludwig, 753-4490

Rediscovering the Connections: Land and Sea, People and Time
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Interdisciplinary teacher workshop combining maritime history,
cultural traditions and environmental science.  Held at scenic and
historic Neah Bay.  Program will include the tall ship Lady
Washington.  Friday-Sunday, October 2-4.  For registration, fees and
credit information call Barbara Ralls, 692-3239.  Sponsored by Grays
Harbor Historical Seaport, Olympia ESD #114 and Makah Cultural and
Research Center.



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From: Arthur.Hill@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Hill)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: WHALES
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:34:39 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Larry:
 A grade one teacher at my school did an entire theme in Language Arts last 
year on Whales. They even got involved in an adopt a Whale project. I will 
see what info she has. Are you interested?

<<<< Art >>>>


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From: lshipman@nhgs.vak12ed.edu (Lydia Shipman)
Subject: Re: whales
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Hampton)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 01:47:54 GMT

There is a super video, computer, book and experiment soap
opera called "The Voyage of the Mimi", that our local Whro PBS
shows and sponsors a Mimifest in the Spring. If you need more
information than this, I'll send it.
lshipman@nhgs
From: Charles.Burton@f58.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Charles Burton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Air Quality Project
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 21:13:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/58 - Silver Lake, Everett WA

I would like to do air quality data collection with my 6th graders 
this year.  Has anyone done such a thing?  How would I go about this 
task?  If anyone has an air quality or air pollution unit please let 
me know.  

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From: Helen.Sternheim@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Seattle Symposia
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 14:48:26 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

Thanks for your posts of science events in the Seattle area.  It will make us  
all wish we lived closer to you. 



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From: Gordon.Dr..Land@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Gordon Dr. Land)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: New Computer Astronomy Co
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 10:01:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155 - SECAP BBS, Clayton Vic

Hello Dan,
Thank you very much for you enrolment. I will notify you as soon as possible as the course, thanks to the slow Australian followers will begin on the 15th of September 1992. If I send you the disks, I am sure you will be able to supply you bulletin board ( or the closest) with the Gif and Tif files and other facilities such as programs, as they have to be loaded down and it would be too expensive to ring from the US the BBS here in Australia. Please send me your address and I will make sure, that the disks
 3.5" or 5 1/4 will go out to you as soon as possible.
Greetings
Gordon.


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From: Mary.Darling@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Darling)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: AP CALCULUS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:22:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Sheila:
-> -> I've been involved with the C2PC project at Ohio State University.
->
-> I think I read something in the Mathematics Teacher about a summer
-> program they were running there to train teachers how to incorporate
-> tech. into their instruction?? It sounds really exciting.
Demana and Waits (two profs at OSU) have limited Eisenhower Grant
dollars to conduct these workshops and they go all over the nation in
the summer time presenting workshops - They even occasionally have
money for stipends for the teachers that attend.  But they always
offer graduate credit.  Might be worth a try - maybe they would come
to you.  I'd be glad to give you the full details.

Do you require them to get a specific brand/model, or
will any graphi -> calculator do? There is a new one out for about $40
this year by Casi -> It certainly doesn't do everything that the more
expensive ones do, b -> it is supposed to be an affordable graphing
calculator that every -> student can afford.
I've seen that small Casio - the screen is limited to do very much with
anything other than linear equations (In my opinion).  My kids either
buy the TI-81 or the Casio 7700.  I hate to require the kind of
calculator and we don't seem to have any problems going from one to the
other.

I'd love to continue our conversation on technology.  Also if you hear
of anything new (software, etc.) I'm anxious to preview it.

Thanks for Tim Brown's name - I'm going to leave him a message too.

Mary.
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From: Ed.Kwasniewski@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Kwasniewski)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: AP CALCULUS
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:10:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

On 08-26-92 Mary Darling wrote to Sheila King... 
 
MD> What book are you using for Calc?  I'm still trying to decide how much 
MD> to cover and in what depth. 
MD> 
MD> Any help from anyone would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. 
 
There are a lot of texts available on the market ... three that I like 
are: 
 
Calculus with Analytic Geometry (4th ed.), Roland E. Larson et al.,D.C. 
Heath and Co. ISBN 0-669-16406-2 
 
Calculus, James Stewart, Brooks/Cole Publishing Co. ISBN 0-534-06690-9 
 
Calculus and Analytic Geometry (Volume 1: Single Variable Calculus), Al 
Shenk, Scott, Foresman and Co. ISBN 0-673-16725-9 
 
I just grabbed them off my shelf and hope I haven't made any typos :) 
I've heard some teachers/professors say that the text isn't important 
but over the years I've realized this is wrong.  My students have 
definite preferences ... they will always choose the reference texts 
that have the best examples and applications.  These three texts are 
well written and are filled with worked study and review questions. 
 
As to what to cover ... start with the AP Calculus AB course outline and 
then fill in and expand as you see fit and as time allows.  If any of 
your students write the AP course they will be responsible for all the 
material prescribed in the Course description. 
 
Cheers ... Ed 
 
... OFFLINE 1.40 


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From: Carol.Ann.Stevens@p0.f10.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ann Stevens)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Re: GIRLS AND MATHS
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:57:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/10.0 - Med TechNet/WNY Mic, Buffalo NY

Australia has educators trained in the EQUALS program which
addresses equity issues in mathematics education for minority
students as well as females.  Should you be interested in
further information regarding this program, I advise contact
with the University of California - Berkeley.  The EQUALS
program and personnel provide excellent equity support. 


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From: Mary.Darling@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Darling)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: AP Calculus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:30:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Tim,

Sheila King left me your name as a possible resource person for AP
Calculus topics and materials.

This is my first year to teach AP Calc (AB) and I'm a bit nervous to say
the least.

We are using the Finney Thomas book (Addison Wesley) and I'm very much
interested in technology applications too.  My precalculus classes use
graphing calculators and computer software for graphing purposes.  Just
don't know how heavily to rely on that in Calc.

Any advice to this novice would be greatly appreciated.
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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Berkeley Logo available
Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:54:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

A new alpha test release (version 2.6) of Berkeley Logo is now
available by anonymous FTP.  "Alpha test" means that I know there are
bugs in it!  But you're welcome to try it if you understand that.
I'm happy to get bug reports but I don't promise anything.

The new version fixes bugs that were reported to me in version 2.5,
and also implements tail recursion elimination, which should allow
larger programs to fit in smaller machines.  A very likely side effect
is that you may get misleading error messages (attributing the error
to the wrong procedure, for example); I'd like to know about these.

Users of version 2.5 under Unix should note that the new version does
not create a graphics window until the first graphics instruction is
entered, so don't panic when you start it up.

FTP to anarres.cs.berkeley.edu and get any of the following files:

pub/logo.tar.Z		Unix sources and documentation
pub/ucblogo.zip		PC version, PKZIP form, including executable BL.EXE
pub/ucblogo.sit.hqx	Mac version, StuffIt/BinHex form, w/ executable Logo
pub/usermanual		Just the documentation file.
pub/csls.tar.Z		Logo programs from _Computer Science Logo Style_

You're on your own for the unpacking software.

Advantages of Berkeley Logo:

	* It's free.

	* It comes with source files (in C).

	* Logo programs are completely compatible among Unix, PC, and Mac.

Disadvantages of Berkeley Logo:

	* It's pretty slow.

	* It doesn't do anything fancy about graphics.  (One turtle.)

	* It still has bugs.  In particular, it runs out of memory easily.

If you don't have FTP access, but can read a 3.5-inch disk, send me
$2.50 to cover costs and tell me whether you want the Mac or the PC
version (or send $5.00 for both) and I'll send you a disk.

				Brian Harvey
				2634 Virginia St
				Berkeley, CA  94709