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From: Ray.Chramega <Ray.Chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 19:11:59 GMT

In <1993Jan5.060038.29639@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:

>Ever wonder about the name DARTH VADER? Check out this little session
>with the electronic Webster dictionary I just had:

>|webster>DEFINE VADER
>|
>|SPELLING
>|1 voder
>|
>|webster>DEFINE VODER
>|
>|DEFINITION 0
>|vo.der \'vo-d-*r\ n [voice operation demonstrator] : an electronic device
>|that is capable of producing a recognizable approximation of speech

>Does anybody know where the name DARTH VADER comes from really?
>To me, it sounds like "DEATH VODER" -- The voice of death
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 Perhaps DARk inVADER?

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Model kit re-releases
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:02:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In July the following model kits will be re-release from AMT/ERTL

Darth Vader figure
Shuttle Tyderium
Snap Together AT-ST
Rebel Base Action Scene (diorama)

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From: mason
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:05:21 GMT

In article <Jan.5.02.08.36.1993.27146@dimacs.rutgers.edu>
magarell@dimacs.rutgers.edu (christopher magarelli) writes:
 
>     To me, it always sounded like a contraction of "DARk deaTH
>inVADER".  There's another possibility -- Does anybody know if "vader"
>means "father" in some language?  It sounds like it might.
 
"Darth Vader" is "Dark Father" in one of the Dutch/German dialects.
 
 
-- mason
 
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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: New book on SW collectibles
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:13:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.174939.22760@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>  
hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) writes:
> Has anyone seen the new book on Star Wars collectibles?  I think it's called
> "Star Wars: From Screen to Saga to Sensation" Or something like that.  It
> has a golden Darth Vader on the cover and inside it has articles and pictures
> of ever Star Wars collectible ever made, even those never put on the market.
> It looks really interesting. Check it out.     
> 
>                        
It is AWESOME.  It has some really interesting stuff, to say the least.  It's  
only problem is that its cover is easily damaged.  Out of twenty copies in the  
store, not a single one had a good cover.  However, I still reccomend it to  
anyone who is into Star Wars!

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From: mjulian@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Julian)
Subject: existence of the other six stories
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:44:01 GMT


hello

     Does anyone know if the first three and the last three stories have ever 
been published as novels?  If so, were they originally written by Lucas 
himself?

     Also, I recently found a book called "The Art of Star Wars" and I'm
wondering if there are any other similar books available.

     If you could respond by e-mail I'd greatly appreciate it.

     I'm new to this newsgroup and this is my first posting, so I apologize if
these are FAQ's or some kind of stupid questions.

thanks alot
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From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:35:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.133543.14393@fy.chalmers.se>, f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg) writ 
> Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
> for pulling them in?
> 
> I think that while traveling through hyperspace, it is a concern to minimize the ship's area, so that particles will hit the ship more seldom. I know, pulling the wings closer to the ship doesn't decrease the area, but what about hyperspace gas laws? A 
> 
> Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...
> 
> 
> C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately three thousand, seven hundred and twenty to one.
> 
> Han: Never tell me the odds!
> 
> 		-- BJORN


     This leads me to another question about this fictional space travel:  
What exactly is hyperspace?  I understand the concept of the Star Trek
engines.  In essence a warp field is placed over the ship and it is this
field pocket which travels through space and the ship just happens to be in it.
   What is the overall concept of hyperspace?  This could lead to alot of
explanation on this x-wing business.
                                         John
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars RPG 2nd Ed
Keywords: RPG sourcebooks
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:42:56 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

In article <1993Jan7.083902.5899@imec.be>, redant@imec.be (Steven Redant) writes:
|> I recently got myself a copy of the 2nd Ed RPG rulebook. Though the

Me too :(

|> rules are adapted in such a way that the game is even better I was very
|> disappointed with the layout.

Agreed.

|> one: it's messy and structureless (some titles are in the wrong font

It's not worth a dime.

|> size even.
|> two: Where are all those nice pictures from the movies that were in the
|> first one. Some of the drawings are BAD! Not so-so but BAD!
|> 
|> That being said my question is are there any supplements for the 2nd Ed
|> out yet? Are they going to re-work the 1st Ed. Sourcebooks?

There is several source books on the theme of Zahn's books, and some new supplements,
such as GM screen and such, but nothing new as source books and such (that I know of).
If there is a new source book, I know I wont buy it anyway. The old one's is very good and
I am used to them. New stuff written as bad as the rulesbook isn't worth buying.

|> 
|> Steven Redant
|> redant@imec.be 
|>  

As a general idea, I would recommend everyone to buy the second edition, cause the rules are
very very nice on some subjects, but I think WestEnd have forgotten how to produce good
layouts *sigh*. However, some of the rules are not so good. IF you buy the 2:edition SW, I
think you'll have to do some work to adept it to suit your players. It's not 100 % good rules.
As for myself, I am concidering keeping the entire combat/space combat system the old way,
with only some new twist, but I have not made up my mind yet.

// Anders Liden
Mysse of Kingdoms.
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
From: mochang@phakt.usc.edu (Morrison J. Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Questions about Kenner Die-Cast Metal Miniatures...
Date: 10 Jan 1993 16:44:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Keywords: kenner Die-Cast Metal Miniatures Toy Question


Hi, maybe someone can answer these questions about Kenner's Die-Cast
Metal Miniatures, I've already looked at the gold/black Darth Vader book
on collectables in the bookstore but I couldn't tell so...

Other than the Hoth and Bespin playsets were there any others sold?
(Death Star - maybe?)

In the Hoth/Bespin playset, was there an R2-D2 or a C-3PO figure?

Email replies please since I don't read this group often. Thanks.

-Morrison
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:22:04 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Droids in Clone Wars?

Lucas has said the next trilogy will feature Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin
Skywalker in the Clone Wars.  Yet he has also said that the droids will be in
all nine films.  So is there any speculation on how they will be fit in to this
next series?  Obi-Wan's line in ANH, "I don't seem to remember ever owning a
droid," suggests that they were never his property.  Plus he doesn't give any
special recognition to them.  Neither does Vader when he sees C-3PO in the
carbon-freezing room or any other time he sees either of the droids.  You could
say that Vader could care less at this point or that we just don't see his
reaction, but if he owned them then Obi-Wan should still have recognized them.
Perhaps Lucas won't include the droids after all (Although I'm sure Anthony
Daniels would lobby vehemently for the $$$).  What do you think?

                                              --Eric
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: DFR
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:44:44 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I just finished reading Dark Force Rising (finally picked it up) and I 
have two things to say: 1) I loved it, 2) EXCEPT for all the references 
to the movies.  There were so many passages where the characters were 
thinking back, experiencing deja vu, etc.  

Any word on when the next book will be released?

Also, this may have already been discussed (and, if it has, could 
somebody e-mail the end result of the conversation?), but is it just some 
rule of the universe that Jedi have twins?  The original Star Wars 
stories had Luke and Leia and now Leia herself is having twins.  I'm 
beginning to wonder if the sperm/eggs of Jedi are supercharged or 
something. =)


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From: mason
Subject: Re: Where is Mara Jade?
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:44:58 GMT

In article <4JAN199312365995@rosie.uh.edu>
st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (DISCO BISCUIT) writes:
 
>        Where is Mara Jade in the Dark Horse comics? Did she die
>in the 3rd Zahn book? Or did I just miss her in the comics?
 
   Mara Jade is a character in Zahn's novels, and has no place in
the Dark Horse comics.  The two, as far as I can tell, are entirely
unrelated.  Incidentally, the third Zahn book has yet to be published,
so we don't know Mara's ultimate fate.  I'm betting she dies.
 
-- mason
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

Scott Streeter writes:
|> The TIE Bomber was never released as a "model" kit. 

Hmm.. I've just bought TESB on widescreen - finally I get to see Vader's
Super Star Destroyer in all it's glory again!  There are quite a few ships
from the films that never got to be models - I wonder if there is enough
interest in these re-releases for MPC/ERTL to consider coming up with some
new kits?  Perhaps if some of us wrote to the "blueprinter" (there modelers
magazine) it would help the cause?  What does everyone else think?  Is there
enough interest out there to make it worth MPC/ERTL's while?  My name
would go down for a Super Star Destroyer for sure...

Sy

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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:25:34 GMT

I watched the trilogy last night with some friends, adn I noticed something that is
(sort of) related to this thread.  At one point, there is a shot of Ben head-on where
he is holding his lightsaber.  At the end of the shot, his lightsaber is no longer
lit.  It looks like a few fluorescent dots compose his lightsaber, and not the usual
beam of energy.  has anyone else noticed this?

Doug Brod
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:13:13 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars poster question


Back when Star Wars first came out, Harrison Ford, Mark Hammel and Carrie
Fisher came to Chicago (among other cities, I'm sure) on a promotional
tour.  They appeared on the "Roy Leonard Show" on WGN radio.  I was the
first caller to whom they talked.  I taped the show as I was on the phone
(it was 'live' with the 7 second delay).  I also received, as a gift,
a Star Wars poster, in the mail.  I never took it out of the plastic wrapper,
and it is still inside the original mailing tube, with the WGN sticker on it.
I think the poster is the one with Darth Vader's helmet, Luke holding the
light sabre, and Leia looking provocatively good.

I know that it is worth something to me, but does it have any collecting
value?

Rather than poster here, please e-mail to me at U16028@uicvm.uic.edu.

Thanks

Terry
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From: littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1it4mmINNqr
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In article <1993Jan11.133321.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>However, blowing those ball things (otherwise known as the deflector sheild 
>genetators) up wasn't the easiest of tasks.  However, a ship of that size
>should have had an auxillary bridge of some sort.  It seems strange that
>one A-wing through the command center, and the whole thing goes under.
>> 

True, you'd have to get by all those tie-fighters, as well as any
anti-spacecraft turrents that the star destroyers may have, but evidentally
whoever supposedly designed them thought that no enemy fighters would ever
get close enough to cause them damage.  Or, maybe George Lucas had a 
deadline. :)
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:30:44 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <16B4B11084.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
[explanations of Ben's motives in choosing Luke deleted]
>   Also, Vader knew he had a son, but did NOT know he had a daughter as
>well.  Ben HAD to stay close to Luke to protect him, while Leia could
>remain safely anonymous elsewhere.
> 
If Vader knew he had a son, why wouldn't he have sought him out sooner?  It
would have been much easier to raise him as a Dark Knight (with apologies
to Batman fans) if he had had him under his influence from a very early age


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:37:31 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars Poster question Part II

I have received a few replies to my original posting of "any collecting
value to a Star Wars poster?"  The comments ranged from $10 to $60.
But one poster mentioned "if you can prove it is authentic."

How would one prove it is authentic?  I just found another Star Wars
poster, same type as before -- Leia with a blaster, Luke with the
light sabre, and the helmet of Darth.  The bottom of the poster has on it
"Factors Etc. Inc., Bear, Del. U.S.A. Image Factory Inc., Hollywood, Calif."
"@ 1977 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp."

Are there forgeries or reprints?

Thanks,

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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Subject: Lightsabers & more
From: parnell_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Pi-Rat)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: parnell_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Just afew things that I've noticed.

1) I have the Record 'The Story Of Starwars' and with it came a book with
several stliis taken from the movie. Any way there is a shot of the Lightsaber
duel with Darth on the left, Ben on the right and the Falcon in the background,
the Sabers are crossed and pointing slightly downwards, anyway the colour of
both sabers is the blue that Ben's usally is, can anyone verify that this is a
shot from the movie?

2) Also from the stliis that came with the record  ther is a shot of Darth's
Tie flying down the trench, with only _ONE_ wingman on the left(Vaders right)
from another still this is the wingman that gets destroyed by the falcon, so
can't be after that point in the film.

3) This should be the last... In Empire, just after Luke starts falling down
the shaft in Bespin I seem to recall a shot of Darth trying to catch him with
the force but the effort is too much so he lets him fall. Now it has been ages
since I have seen any of the trilogy Uncut, so I can't be sure about this last
sequence, but I deffinitly recall it.


Paul
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From: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
	<C0CpHq.JH8@cmptrc.lonestar.org> <8384@news.duke.edu>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:01:22 GMT

braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun) writes:
>
> As for C3PO's storytelling ability, maybe he was just lying to Luke. He knew
> he was a great storyteller but didn't want to waste his time telling some
> yokel his life story after a rough day of dodging the empire.

I don't buy it.  If that were the reason, then it would never have
been brought up in the script.  The script is tight; Lucas would only
include something like this for the purpose of character development.
And I (still) think it is more in C3PO's character to not be a story
teller.  I think the change in RotJ was part of the Ewok sellout (ie,
cuteness == bucks).

- John
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From: jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Jason Walsh  )
Subject: Re: Star Wars Trilogy Oscars.
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:41:54 GMT

Star Wars:
Academy Awards:  best original score, best film editing, best sound,
best art and set decoration, best costume design, best visual effects.
It also won a special achievement award for Ben Burtt's sound effect
creations.

Nominated:  best picture, best original story and screenplay, best
director, best supporting actor (Alec Guinness)

The Empire Strikes Back:
Academy Awards:  best sound

Nominated:  best art direction and set direction, best original score

Return of The Jedi:
Academy Awards:  Special achievement award for visual effects

Nominated:  best art direction and set decoration, best sound effects
editing, best original score, best sound.

Courtesy of Jason Walsh  
jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:02:11 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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In article <HAGERMAN.93Jan7130122@rx7.ece.cmu.edu> hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) writes:
>braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun) writes:
>>
>> As for C3PO's storytelling ability, maybe he was just lying to Luke. He knew
>> he was a great storyteller but didn't want to waste his time telling some
>> yokel his life story after a rough day of dodging the empire.
>
>I don't buy it.  If that were the reason, then it would never have
>been brought up in the script.  The script is tight; Lucas would only
>include something like this for the purpose of character development.
>And I (still) think it is more in C3PO's character to not be a story
>teller.  I think the change in RotJ was part of the Ewok sellout (ie,
>cuteness == bucks).
>
>- John
>--
>hagerman@ece.cmu.edu


I don't think I'd agree with either.  I always thought that the reason C3PO
said he wasn't very good at telling stories was that he honestly didn't
BELIEVE he was.  3PO's character is pretty uptight and fairly insecure
(With the possible exception of bragging about how many languages he knows)
It's within character to claim he's no good at telling stories, even when
he really is pretty good.

OTHER POSSIBILITIES:

Reasonable:
	He really IS crappy, COMPARED to droids that are designed for telling
stories.  We never see a "story-telling droid" other than 3PO so we really
can't make the comparison.

Weenie/ cop-out:
	He got some new programming.  :)

mike

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From: winikoff@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael David WINIKOFF)
Subject: Re: Zahn's books
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:05:32 GMT

wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:

>Is it just me or are Zahn's books really pointlos and boring?

>				John

It may be just me but I think it's just you.

Michael
winikoff@cs.mu.oz.au
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