HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cri@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mr. PlEaSanT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: How to beat AGRIPPA (was Re: Gibson, electronic books)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:29:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bz9I1F.GIM
Organization: We here at the Asylum don't think about that.
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 Project: Twisting the minds of America's youth
 Where: Wish I could tell you...

mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein) writes:

>A friend of mine came up with a way to beat AGRIPPA at its own game,
>without resorting to passwords. You don't even need to be able to
>program a computer.

	What a coincedence, your friend is William Gibson.
Gibson suggested doing this himself in a number of interviews.  He also stated
(this is second hand info so don't quote me) that he hopes someone hacks it
and sends it net-ward.  so go ahead and enjoy.
	if anyone is interested, I have a partial copy of Agrippa in my account
right now (parts IV - VI i believe) and i will post or mail if i get 
responses...

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Criss

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From: john@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: QX and on green! (was Re: LENSMAN?)
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:35:05 GMT

In article <1giljcINNrgn@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.120510.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>>
>>It's part of the fun.  From memory, in one of the books a character,
>>attempting to express the notion that Clarissa MacDougal is extremely
>>attractive, describes her as "a seven-sector callout."
>
>And also, a blinding flash and a deafening report.

I have, on occasion, told my wife she was "a blinding flash and a
deafening retort!"


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From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Greg Bear Blood Music
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:12:10 GMT

CDOMS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU writes:

>Has anyone on this list read both versions of Blood Music?  That is
>the novel lenght and the shorter version (which I have from the _New
>Hugo Winners_ collection published in 1989).

From memory, the shorter version is essentially equal to about the first
half of the novel. 

I much prefer the novel version.

>Carol Doms
>cdoms@umkcvax1
>cdoms@vax1.umkc.edu

	-Mike

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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Amateur SF?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:52 GMT

Problem is there is no shortage by a long stretch of amateur SF in the
world -- there's no shortage of Pro SF for that matter, though there is
always a shortage of superb SF.

I would suggest instead you put it in electronic form and submit to one
of the free electronic 'zines like Quanta.  I'll let them tell you their
address, I don't have it on me.
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:13:29 GMT

In <9212081258.AA00549@it122.dcs.qmw.ac.uk> winston@dcs.qmw.ac.UK writes:

>What you've got to remember about Heinlein is that he was born in the first
>twenty years of this centuary - hardly feminist times. What is it
>he(Lazarus) always said - 'you can take the boy out of the bible
>belt, you can't take the bible belt out of the boy.'

>Also you must remember that Heinlein would have/did? despise all thoughts
>of political correctness(oppression) and as such, his books are hardly likely
>to take account of the artificial constraints of a sick society (Western, USA
>in particular).In fact most of his books were specifically set against that
>kind of thing!

>Kevin


true....AND, virginia was/is one helluva lady....and the model for
much of what heinlein wrote about women. i personally had all of my
children the easy way (i married 'em) and NEVER had a desire to
reproduce the old fashioned way...but heinlein was indeed a product of
his generation...and a far reaching thinker.

heck, if we had a REAL d.d. hariman NASA wouldn't have kept us away
from the moon for so long...

i have to admit...i love heinlein.  first read _stranger_ at 16 and it
colored my view of sex and religion for my entire life...i rank
maureen johnson smith right up there with scarlett and jo...i think
you all are being horribly unfair about _friday_ ...the idea of
BELONGING was the central theme of the book...

oh, well...enough rambling.

barb













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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: CHTORR!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:29:30 GMT

lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay):
>Would someone post a good SPOILER, please? I'd like to know how it
>comes out.

I can tell you without spoilers:

We learn a lot about the Chtorran ecology, and there is next to
no plot advancement.
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:28:02 GMT
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In article <al.724373965@iris> al@iris.claremont.edu (ere i am, jh) writes:
>
>Fantasy:  Crowley, Crowley, Crowley, and Powers

And Crowley!  You can't forget Crowley.

And then there's... well, never mind.

c
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein and "wimmin"
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:25:57 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <urf.724140825@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
>O2NY000 <O2NY@UNB.CA> writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec11.195651.24178@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>>In article <11DEC92.15625014.0172@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> O2NY <O2NY@UNB.CA> writes:

>>> Technological  innovation is one obvious example. 

>I agree absolutely, but it doesn't have to be technological. I've long
>said that the (probably anonymous, maybe committee) person who
>decided that safety belts in the back seats of cars, to be used 
>primarily by children, thus made more children survive to child-
>bearing age than he could have done by just reproducing.

Actually, it now looks like he killed them rather than saving them.
Back seat safety belts usually do not have shoulder straps.  They
therefore cause massive internal injuries in accidents and are less
safe than no belt at all.

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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: LENSMAN?
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:04:34 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <1gapseINNhnh@agate.berkeley.edu> sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
>In article <522@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>)In article <1g8p60INN77j@agate.berkeley.edu> sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>What about (from memory): "cool your jets", "hipe!", "zwilnik", "space
>louse", and the all-powerful Negasphere?  *These* are examples of
>really bad "futuristic" jargon.  I still love the books, but they're
>not really science fiction -- they're adventure/fantasy/romance novels
>written with (rather clumsy) science fiction trappings.  Kind of like
>Star Wars, which borrowed heavily from Doc Smith.

I think that a lot of what's irritating you is based in classic American
wiseass--it's a sort of humor that was common in fiction from about 1920
to 1940. I assume that what's written now will look just as dated in
50 years, and, meanwhile, I _like_ classic wiseass. 

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

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From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:14:20 GMT
	<910@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Authors whose books I'll grab on sight?

Patricia McKillip
Diane Duane
Guy Kay (if you hadn't guessed from yesterday's post :-)
Tim Powers

All fantasy, rather than SF (or mostly). This is not to say that SF
books aren't close; I'm very likely to buy any new Niven or Spider
Robinson or Ian Banks book I see. But I'll think about it first; I've
been disappointed by each of these. (I don't know whether I like fantasy
better, or am more critical of SF, or what.)

There are also a few relatively new authors where I haven't read many of
their books, but I liked the ones I did read. These are probationary
auto-buys, so to speak.

Emma Bull
Rosemary Kirstein
What's-his-face that wrote _The Magic of Recluse_

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
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From: gac2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Geoffrey A. Coulter)
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Reply-To: gac2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:23:32 GMT


Here's my list:

Lois McMaster Bujold
Katherine Kurtz
Tad Williams
Roger Zelazny (even Ambers...)
C.S. Friedman
Patricia Kennealy
Julian May
Mercedes Lackey (if she is the sole author)
Niven & Pournelle (if they write together)

And, unless I have read and disliked earlier books in the series, Jack
L. Chalker.

And, despite the fact that he isn't on this list, Orson Scott Card is
probably my favorite author.  I just don't want to risk another _Folk
of the Fringe_.

Geoffrey Coulter
From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Science Fiction
Date: 20 Dec 1992 07:21:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
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In a previous article, troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly) says:

>In article <9212181351.AA04903@rutgers.edu> JXA01@albnydh2.BITNET writes:
>
>>Could someone please help? I am looking for science fiction stories that
>>have motorcycling as a main theme or component of the story. >
>
>   Try _Damnation Alley_, a widely-anthologized novelette (novella?) by
>Zelazny.
>
There was also a post-holocaust novel covering the adventures of a Hell's
Angel.  Don't recall the title offhand, but the author's name began with a
W.
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Looking for bibliographic references to Childe/Dorsai series
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:52:33 GMT


I want to apologize for some false info in that last posting.  I was
basing my posted list off of some info gathered on the net.  It turns
out that the chronological order of publishing was incorrect.  Here is
info from the MARC records from dra.com - this should be a bit more
accurate.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
GORDON R[upert] DICKSON, 1923-

The Childe Cycle of books (also known as the Dorsai series)

In order of writing;

"Dorsai!"	- first appeared as "The Genetic General" in 1960.
"Necromancer"	- first appeared in 1962 as "No Room for Man".
"Soldier, Ask Not"	- first appeared in Galaxy mangazine in October,
			  1964, then published in paperback by DAW in 1967.
"Tactics of Mistake"	- 1971
"Three to Dorsai!"	- 1975, collection, renaming "The Genetic General"
			  to "Dorsai!", renaming "No Room for Man" to
			  "Necromancer" and including "Tactics of Mistake".
"The Spirit of Dorsai"	- 1979
"Lost Dorsai"	- 1980
"The Final Encyclopaedia"	- 1984
"The Dorsai Companion"	- 1986
"Chantry Guild"	- 1988
"Young Blyss"	- 1991

In chronological order;

"Necromancer"
"Tactics of Mistake"
"Lost Dorsai"
"Dorsai!"
"Soldier, Ask Not"	(middle of "Dorsai!")
"Young Blyss"
"The Final Encyclopaedia"
"The Spirit of Dorsai"	(middle of TFE)
"Chantry Guild"
"The Dorsai Companion"

Rumored additional books:

???	- volume which would appear after Young Bleys and perhaps parallel
	to Final Encylopedia and Chantry Guild.

Childe	- volume which takes place after Chantry Guild
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Elves in Tolkien and Folklore
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:29:27 GMT

Are there any stories or anything of the Alfar and Sidhe
meeting one another and, well, swapping notes or getting
new PR people or whatever :)?

Since they *are* different, there ought to be some story
somewhere when they meet...

I like the Alfar and the norse elves better than the Celtic
ones... I'd root for them... :^)

Scott
From: jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Domes of Fire
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:21:48 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <weber-121292121817@spinel.bucknell.edu> weber@bucknell.edu (Bryan Weber) writes:
>Has anyone read David Eddings's new book, Domes of Fire?  I'm thinking of
>buying the hardback, and I want to know if it's worth the twenty-plus
>dollars it'll cost me.  Is it?
>
>  -bW

Yes, I read it, and I thought that it was great. It's typically Eddings.
He follows the same writing style as he used in _The Elenium_. I bought
it the first day I saw it, and I don't regret it, wut then again, I'm a
die-hard Eddings fan.

I recommend it wholeheartedly.

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From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry cullingford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Anyone like to comment on Garden of Rama?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:23:19 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <BzAzLp.MtG@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl writes:
>That's my opinion. I liked it and I look forward to 'Rama Revealed' in
>course. (NOTE: Revealed, NOT Reveiled.)

Hmm.. given some of the comments so far on the subject, maybe
'Rama Reviled' would have been a popular alternative :-) :-)

Personally, I thought the original RwR was brilliant, the sequel very
poor, and Garden of Rama reasonable - mostly because it's largely
abandoned the original setting.
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:42:10 GMT
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In article <wfT=CC@engin.umich.edu> rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>
>And we might as well mention "Pale Fire" as a
>fantasy novel; I think it belongs in a tradition that might
>comfortably accommodate Gene Wolfe, Richard Grant, John Crowley, Italo
>Calvino and Stanislaw Lem.

Mark Helprin's _A Winter's Tale_ belongs there, too.

c
From: egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Nightfall_ by Asimov & Silverberg: Worthwhile?
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:59:48 GMT
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It was wonderful (IMHO)...!!  Greatly improved the origional short story.

I actually read the book within a day....couldn't put it down.

In article <t69qal=@lynx.unm.edu>, rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger
Squires) wrote:
> 
> 	I just picked this up three for a dollar at the library
> 	thrift shop, and am wondering if it is worth reading
> 	or will it cast a shadow on my fond memories of the
> 	original short story.
> 	Please email -- if there are a lot of resposnes I will
> 	summarize.  Thanks!
> 
> Roger Squires
> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
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From: maverick@fir.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:00:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Dec17.173633.21673@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
|> matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:
|> 
|> [of _Ada_]
|> >I certainly agree that it's a great novel, though, no matter how you
|> >classify it.
|> 
|> Personally, I found it nearly impossible to read.

Me too.  I was going to follow up to Matt's comment by asking,
"What if we classify it as unreadable?" 

|> It just seemed to me that in _Ada_,
|> Nabokov had written something that only a few people in the world (himself
|> among them) had enough language ability to understand and enjoy.

This was not my impression.  I know of books that give me this
feeling (much of Zukofsky's _A_), but this was more like the
experience of unreadability given by _Tender Is The Night_; the
sense that the author is inviting me to a game I don't
want to play.  (Ditto _Pale Fire_, which I seem to remember
Matt liking too....)

	Vance
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From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:36:33 GMT

matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

>In article <wfT=CC@engin.umich.edu> rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

>> Not to mention "Ada," which is one of the great alternate-world
>> novels, in my opinion.

...

>I certainly agree that it's a great novel, though, no matter how you
>classify it.

Personally, I found it nearly impossible to read.  In contrast I really
enjoyed _Lolita_ and later, _Despair_.  It just seemed to me that in _Ada_,
Nabokov had written something that only a few people in the world (himself
among them) had enough language ability to understand and enjoy.  I should
probably reread it.  I found parts of it engaging, but the whole never
solidified in my mind.

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From: quasar@ctt.bellcore.com (Laurence R. Brothers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Mostly Harmless
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:15:01 GMT
Organization: Bellcore


I quite disliked "Mostly Harmless". I've enjoyed everything else I've
ever read of Douglas Adams's work which is just about everything he's
published. As someone else said in their posting, there's some clever
ideas in MH, and also some very amusing scenes and episodes.

However, not only is the plot as a whole rather pointless, but more
importantly, the characters are poorly drawn, and I think Adams is
guilty of what John Gardner calls an "error of soul".

In other words, Adams treats his characters with disrespect. That
doesn't mean that bad things shouldn't happen to an author's
characters, but that they shouldn't happen for no reason at all.
Admittedly, the whole point of the Hitchhiker's Guide series is Arthur
Dent being put upon, but somehow one really feels for the poor bastard
in this book.

To start off with, Fenchurch, who was so warmly described in "So Long
and Thanks For All the Fish", is simply discarded. Evidently, Arthur
Dent was getting too happy. It would be all right, IMHO, if she was
lost in some meaningful way, or if Arthur Dent did anything much to
try and recover her, but no; it seems she would have just got in the
way of the plot, such as it was, and Arthur seems to be happy enough
making sandwiches.

My admittedly indirect sense of this book is that Douglas Adams was
very bitter about something when he was writing MH. Unlike the first
three books, which were whimsical satire, or the fourth book, which
was a comic romance, MH is too biting to be really funny. The
introduction of alternate universes, rather than introducing any real
new plot complications, instead seems to make all the character
actions pointless and fatalistic. Trillian is now a rather repulsive
character, and her daughter is clearly a candidate for retroactive
birth control.

The plot itself is hardly worth mentioning, as it is so tortuous and
meaningless. There are many inconsistencies, including the fact that
Arthur Dent seems to have forgotten how to fly.

The final scene is simply written badly. Personally, I found the
descriptive action in it ambiguous; I'm not completely sure what is
supposed to have happened. Whatever it was, though, it wasn't very
good....

I'm willing to give Adams another chance, if he can write another book
in the series, to make things all right again, but I'm not sanguine
about it. Even if the book was cut into two by the publisher, yet
another sequel can't possibly fix all the problems of Mostly Harmless.

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