From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Marital Status (definition of Hindu)
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:23:11 GMT
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In article <1992Nov10.144230.27800@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

?ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu writes:
?>In .. indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
? Not exactly nationalism. But being faithful to all that has given 
? us this vision. If I were born in India it  would equate to Indian 
? nationalism. If I were born else where, then it  means Viewing these with 
? respect and Honor. 

If you were born elsewhere say Canada would hinduism equate to
Canadian nationalism? 

? I am not just implying,  but saying it CLEARLY. The HINDU values are NOT 
? faith dependant. Like for example, respecting  woman, respecting cow, 
? ones freedom of faith in pursuing the Ultimate truth (MOKSHA), ones duties
? (not only Religious, but towards society, Man kind etc,). So even whether
? one is Vaishnavite or Shivite or an Athiest if he subscribes to these 
? he is a HINDU.  The Indian-ness is attributed to them because,
? these VALUES were practiced by Indians initially.

And the values of respect for fellow beings were not practiced anywere
else? Is India the first place where these values were practiced. 

??A canadian Eskimo can also become Hindu. He can remain a Hindu, and 
??remain committed to integrity of Bharat. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE YOU FIND
??CONTRADICTION IN THESE. How will his Canadian interests clash with his 
??Hindu interests of "sarve jana sukhino bhavanthu, sarve  santhu .." ? 

If we follow your definition of Hinduism his canadian interests would
clash with his Hindu interests whenever there is a political dispute
between canada and India.

??As for your hearing for the first time this interpretation, HOW can I be 
??held responsible. As for Hinduism being coinsidered as a religion, that 
??shows that you did not have the right orientation from where-ever you learnt 
??(in case you had) Hinduism.

??I said, especially Islam because - ISLAM rules out every thing else. 
??It does not accept the multiple views and beliefs which makes it diffucult
??for others to accept. And the more important point is, IT OVER RIDES others
??right. I do not know what is written in Books, but in action it has happened
??and been happening  in the  name of Islam.

Above are two extracs from the same posting. First you accuse Shakil
of having an incomplete or incorrect knowledge of Hinduism. And then
you admit that you don't know enough about Islam and yet you find it
fit to lecture on it. Don't you think you should practice what you
preach. Yes Islam rules out multiple beliefs, but no one is compelled
to accept Islam. 
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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
| | sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu                                             |
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