HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Spiritual growth
Followup-To: Are we an experiment?
Keywords: Fasting
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:34:37 GMT



 OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went
to fast. John the Baptist ate locusts in the desert. 
(Don`t ask me what the locusts ate!) I did mean people 
who fast in order to develop spiritually.  Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:30:50 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes:
>Oh hell.  Seems like every day we get more dimwitted yokels who discover
>Usenet.  And this 'un is from an institute of higher learning, no less!
>
>Perhaps it's time admission requirements were rechecked, and the ability to
>form and hold a coherent thought became manditory...

If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the
Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-)

Given the choice of Pat Buchannan or Gary Stollman for president, Gary would
get my vote.

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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Yes, Yes. This is getting interesting.
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:44:28 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

From having been told that my thoughts on aliens were the most coherent thing
someone has heard in weeks to being classified as a nutcase - WOW! I like this,
this is *F*U*N*!
Listen, dolt, stop reading posts at random. Go through them all from the start
so you can enter discussions with all the background you can. If the first of
the thread is not there, then go with what you have and say so in yout first
few posts.
I suggest to people that they read the cleaned up version of So much
romanticism before putting me alongside the likes of Winston and Stollman.

Young?		 		Yes
'Energetic'?			Yes           	
Wise in the Ways of The World?	Give me time - I'm asking questions always
Nutcase?    			No way Jose!

-- 
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Enic Eng Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!)
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try
9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au

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				--me.
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: Loose Lips
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Keywords: n
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.214458.13289@nntp.uoregon.edu>, johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com>, mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
|> 
|> >So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground
|> >pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw 
|> >something extraterrestrial?  If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the
|> >highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who
|> >sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of
|> >all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise.  That
|> >action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think.
|> 
|> 
|> I don't think it is necessary to even tell low-level personal to keep quiet.
|> As long as the brass agree to deny everything, and publicly ridicule, or
|> question the sanity of low-level people who do speak up, I'd bet that you'd
|> have a deafening silence among them.
|> 
|> Think of the commercial pilots who do not publicly acknowledge that they
|> have seen a UFO, for fear of being though mentally unsound and losing their
|> pilot's license.
|> 
|> Sometimes, overt suppression is not even remotely necessary, or the most
|> effective way to maintain silence...
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> John Martin                                        johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu
|> Institute of Neuroscience,   University of Oregon,    Eugene, OR,    97402


There is also some "law" in the U.S. which could subject any military personel
who talk about a UFO sighting to several years in jail and the loss of
any pensions/benefits they might have earned. This could keep people pretty 
quit well into retirement.

I don't have my references with me (I'm at work - coffee break - honest ;^), 
but the phrase "JANAP" comes to mind. I also seem to remember something about 
the Air Force and the number 10 (10 years in jail?, $10,000 fine?)

Anyone have the particulars with 'em? I would be particularly interested in
knowing if the law is still in effect. I'm pretty sure we would never know
if it was applied ;^)


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From: acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:16:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug

In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>
>
>And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of
>handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully
>held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced
>him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat."

Actually I believe the gun that he used was a very realistic looking
toy and the person he forced to read his statement has "David
Horiwitz" of "Fight Back!" fame.  Correct me if I'm wrong
>
>To his credit, nobody was hurt.

That would be hard to do with a toy gun!

>-------
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ROWHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.BITNET~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>!!!!! ROB WALTERS/ EDITOR, SPHERIC (Global Monthly For Humans) !!!!!!!!!!

	Joe Acosta
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien in a bar.
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:12:46 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
>   A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman
> claiming to be an alien.

That's the story of my life, pal. That's all you ever find in bars around here.
Sheesh!

--danny
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	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alien interest in us
Keywords: interested in us?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:17:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
>
>Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us.
>
>According to Timothy Good's new book  "Alien Liaison", we humans are called 
>"containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as 
>meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At 
>least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation 
>for their "breeding experiments".  
>									Regards, Paul.
>
>Paul Milsom
>milsom@ntb.ch
>Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland

I feel the really interesting aspect of this notion is that the greys, or the 
military, by decoding the human genome, could clone us "containers". The rub is
"how do you install a soul?". The idea that you could copy or transfer the 
animating qualities of life into a duplicate of the original is pretty essoteric,
and you can bet the government loves the esoteric a hell of a lot more than they
will ever let on... Clone troops? Clone "expendable" test pilots? Clone slaves?

The true measure of a civilization is not the level of technology they develop
or come to posses, but what that civilization as a whole does with it. Once
humanity can create life of a sentient level, will we have developed the 
spiritual level of wisdom to know how to use this power? In other words,
will we enslave it, or will we nuture it as we would our own children? 

This is truley profound question, because it deals with the level of our culture
and it's priorities/value systems, and the lagging humility that is needed in
order not to prostitute new technology that could lead to the extinction of our
race on earth. I guess that is why Rodenberry has focused on it so much...


Jeff-

 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:29:27 GMT

In article <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>In article <BtutnB.C4p@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>>ATTENTION: FASCISTS HAVE CHANGED PLANS BUT THE DANGER HAS NOT PASSED!
>
>Hmmmm.  Methinks that if the grays were so all-powerful, they would
>have had this Michael Younger character whacked and buried.

But what he doesn't tell you is that his secret group of scientists use
Grey away (tm) (comming soon to a supermarket near you). This is just the
start of the advertising campaign for this wonder spray (doubles as
deoderant).

>If the "conspiracy" was aware that we, the public, were onto their
>plans, then they could:
>
>1.  Identify Mr Younger because of all the posts containing his name.

His group of scientists have connections at the NSA and removed his name
from all exisiting databases.

>2.  Track him down

And get sprayed with Grey away?

>3.  Plant subliminals to get people to turn him if he's hiding

But the Awareness already planted counter subliminals in everyones
mind who would know where he is.

>4.  Turn him into a vegetable or brainwashing him into confessing he
>    made all this up.

What makes you think they haven't already turned him into a vegetable :-)

>Get real.

Greys are already real so how can they get any realler :-)
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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


In article <BtHosn.2Ly@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
> In article <18336.2a92cd51@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>>>   bottom line in both cases: EVIDENCE.
>>OK No evidence for All Powerfull Entities etc, BUT their is concrete 
>>evidence for the existance of aliens and there is a good possibility
>>of abductions etc. This evidence is all around you. Infact, one of
>>the points in the Rio TalkFest was cutting down the ammount of
>>evidence. The overcrowding of this planet by evidence and the destruction
>>of the habitats of other type of evidence is a serious environmental
>>problem. GET DA DRIFT? 
> 
>   No.   Does anybody else "get da drift" of what this poster is 
>   talking about?    Does this mean that John Winston and Gary Stollman
>   have company?   Why does this newsgroup seem to attract so many nut
>   cases?   

Dear oh dear oh dear...Who's being picking posts at random?
Humans=evidence of sentient life in universe.
Only one hell of a conceited bastard thinks that all the life in the entire
unverse can be found in a thin layer of crap on the outside of a liquid steel
ball.

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Enic Eng Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!)
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try
9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au

Wacko poster was here. Don't lump me in with that damn fool Winston (Winston -
catch some rays, man)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Tesla
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:39:13 GMT
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

I have enjoyed the discussion regarding Tesla. What
surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked
him. Why is this? After all he is such a target. Could it be
that his genius intimidates those erudite conservatives that
infest this nest?
The fact is, without AC power, this medium along with the
rest of the modern world would not exist ; without the
contribution of this "crackpot". Humiliating isn't it? What
say ye now ye upholders of the scientific banion. By any
definition of the term Tesla was not a scientist.
What you learn in books is merely instructional - nihilists
have to learn that they are the parasites of the Earth.


ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Greys are our FRIENDS ! (Revisited)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:10:11 GMT
Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


...and I am their friend, and I'd like to invite any greys who are
reading this who might happen to be in the vicinity of Austin to 
stop on by sometime soon...for some chili. ;-)

Craig
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:38:16 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.011453.22128@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes...
>In article <1992Aug25.214911.25965@news.mentorg.com> tom_repasky@mentorg.com 
>writes:
>[A bunch of horse-hockey deleted]
> 
>Tom - it was an okay effort, but I think both Gary and John have you
>outmatched.  It was a very disjointed story, and used several
>well-worn themes familiar to any SF/fantasy reader.  
> 
>A suggestion - plot out where you're going before you get there.  Too
>much seemed thrown in on the spur of the moment, as you were writing.
> 
>If you expect anybody to actually believe this nonsense, try harder.
> 
>	RA

He very clearly said it was FICTION.   

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Organization: Bob's Bile-a-torium
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:14:48 GMT
Distribution: alt

In article <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>In article <n0=nlkc.tomrice@netcom.com>, tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes:
>> 
>> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>> 
>> >>	There are a few levels of Top Secret, as we know, that are above
>> >>	the President.
>> 
>> 	I assume those are the "burn before reading" levels.
>> 	Of course, that's what the alt.alien.visitors folk
>> 	have been saying about the documentation on the (in)famous
>> 	Roswell Incident.
>> 
>> 	Yes, please elaborate.  (If I were Pres and learned of
>> 	this, I'd be pretty well p-o'd.)
>> 
>
>>From some of the (unproven) things I have heard on the conspiracy circuit, 
>I was under the impression that Kennedy learned of it, *was* pretty p-o'd,
>told them he was going to tell the American people about it and that's why
>he got knocked off.
>
>Moral: Don't fuck with scientists working for the military-industrial
>       complex, even if you're the president. They know what's best for us.
>

Errr... what are you talking about?  What is this Roswell Incident?  What
did it have to do with Kennedy, and what is the original source for its
mentioning?  This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid UFO wank again is it?

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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:17:16 GMT

In <1992Aug26.063302.28831@newshub.sdsu.edu> ednet@sciences.sdsu.edu (SDSU Vigil) writes:

>   There are hypotheses that explain volcanic activity on the moon. One is that
>the moon has volcanic activity just like the Earth does, but has become
>inactive over time.
>   Another is that meteorite impact on the moon causes
>melting of surface material, and formations, effects, etc. that resemble
>traditional volcanic activity.
>   Then again, maybe the Grays forgot to make sure their camp fire was put out
>properly.

Personally, I believe these moon eruptions are the unconscious results
of the draining of Dan Quale's Psychic Zit.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 06:34:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca>
  <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> <65162@cup.portal.com>

Dear Ley Men and Women:
That should have been I'm back up on the computer. I've put down my 
experiences on the trip to the 30,000 year old city and will be posting
them later if all goes well.
John Winston.
From: Michael.Blackwell@f869.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Michael Blackwell)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: shared databases, in
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:32:00 +1000

 Jc> That is an excellent question; it prompts one to sort out his
 Jc> beliefs.  I personally believe CE Is, CE IIs, crop circles are plasma 
 Jc> (people didn't believe in ball lightning a few years ago, remember) 
 Jc> and/or meteorological phenomena.  I think CE IIIs/abductions are a 
 Jc> psychological phenomenon similar to the Our Lady of Fatima (?)
 Jc> sightings. Those kids are 100% certain they were talking to the Virgin
 Jc> Mary.   Considering neuroresearch indicating you can trigger a
 Jc> religious  experience by electrically stimulating certain regions of
 Jc> the brain,  what if the electromagnetic phenomenon that causes a CE I
 Jc> or II is in the  proximity of a human?  Do we get a CE III?  
 Jc> As far as the paranormal (Pleiadian, channeling, etc.) goes, I 
 Jc> think humans have an inherent need for religion and since the God and 
 Jc> Satan of the Bible aren't believable anymore, why not invent new ones 
 Jc> that zoom through space and commune with us in hottubs or slice and 
 Jc> dice cow genitals?

Do you have any details of any research or books drawing the analogy
between the current belief in "greys", UFOS, etc, to that of elves and
other explinations of things that appear unexplainable?  There appears to
be an antiscience theme to nearly all UFO abductions, and with the
believers of such. I am interested in researching this.

Thanks,   Michael

(PS Please excuse my pitiful grammer & syntax, I've not had much sleep)

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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:57:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug25.192156.22015@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <c8=n1an.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>[...]
>>
>>
>>RECIPE FOR A COVER-UP
>>
>>1) paranoid fantasy
>>2) paranoid fantasy
>>3) paranoid fantasy
>>4) paranoid fantasy
>>5) paranoid fantasy
>>6) paranoid fantasy
>>7) paranoid fantasy
>>
>>I could go on and on...
>>but I won't .
>>Jeff-
>
>Jeff - are you maybe Gary Stollman's long lost brother (clone?)  I
>dunno, his stuff rambles more but IMHO it's lots more fun to read.
>
>	RA

I've seen pictures of RA in egypt. YOU can't be RA, he has a leg to
stand on...
Jeff-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg)
Subject: Re: alien interest in us
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch>, milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
> 
> 
> Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us.
> 
> According to Timothy Good's new book  "Alien Liaison", we humans are called 
> "containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as 
> meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At 
> least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation 
> for their "breeding experiments".  
> 									Regards, Paul.
> 
>Does this mean that the Greys dont have souls?
 At least one author suggests that the greys were "manufactured"
 themselves, which may account for their seeming lack of mental
 independance, as described by Strieber.
 But even if they dont have induvidual souls, they may be a similar
 organisation to a ant- or bee-colony,together functioning as a 
 single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul"

 Comments ?

 Regards, Chris.
 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert)
Subject: Maine Meteorite Sighting...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:52:58 GMT


	Hello, folks,

	Here's an interesting article from this morning's Boston Herald:


		METEORITE SPURS PLANE SEARCH	 	08/31/92

	FREEPORT, Maine -- Authorities searched a wooded area near the Freeport-
	Brunswick town line for a plane that a motorist on Interstate 95 report-
	edly saw go down over the weekend.

	It turned out to be a false alarm. The motorist saw a large meteorite, 
	not an airplane, according to a spokesman for the Freeport Police 
	Department.

	 The control tower at the Brunswick Naval Air Station reported sighting
	a low-flying meteorite passing over the same area at about 8:50 PM 
	Saturday, the same time the motorist reported seeing a plane with flames
	shooting out, said Petty Officer Alan Priddy.

	   Compiled from Herald staff and wire reports.

	__________________________________________________________________________

	 How many of you have seen a "Low Flying Meteorite" ?

	 Is anybody on the NET from around there? How many "Authorities" 
	searched how far, and what if anything, did they find ?
						   
	 
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