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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:51:31 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <srt.727988954@aerospace.aero.org>, srt@aero.org (Scott Turner) writes:
> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> >O Bannon must wish he had never gone to la la land at this point.
> Actually, O'Bannon had a fairly vocal defense of Harrick in the LA
> Times this morning.

Well you know what that means - he'll be playing in Kentucky in a year....


> He's certainly in the top tier of guards in the Pac-10,
> although he had trouble guarding Stoudamire and Kidd.

How'd he do against OSU? The game against USC will be interesting to
see... 

> So GaRRy, what's your opinion of Kidd so far?

This was the first time I had seen him this season. I was struck by the fact
that he doesn't look out of control at any point of his game. When he drives he
seems aware of the court and who is around him, when he passes he tends to
make intelligent choices as to who to dish it off to (although he does pass 
at times when I think it is ill-advised) he is quicker than he looks
and handles the ball well. That said, I didn't think he was the second coming.
He still has a way to go but for a freshman he plays a very mature game. I
still think Stoudamire is better this season though and unless things
change drastically I'd have to give Damon the nod for 1 team all-pac 
point guard. But then again, if Stokes continues to play well then he'll
probably get the nod over Haskins, and we know Mills is a lock for first team
so either Stokes or Stoudamire will get robbed....
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:06:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <2031@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan) writes:
>Here's another good way to start a flame war.  I know it's only a little over
>half way thru the season, but who's everyone's pick for national player of the
>year?
>

I would like like to put in my top 5.

1) Anfernee Hardaway
2) Jamal Mashburn
3) Bob Hurley
4) Calbert Cheaney
5) Alan Houston

-Will
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:44:05 CST
From: <U13409@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Michigan vs. Ohio State Summary

Here is a quick summary for all you who missed the game...
OSU came out playing control offense with a new three guard look.
Michigan also substituted an additional guard (Rob Pelinka) into the
starting lineup in Ray Jackson's spot.  The game was slow out of the
blocks and it looked liked OSU's down tempo might keep them in it.
Michigan then proceeded to blow it wide open, easily beating OSU's trap
and getting a lot of fast break and easy post points.  Michigan lead by
16 at the half and Rose hadn't scored yet.  The second half was much of
the same until late in the game when OSU started raining the trey's and
got it to 5.  Michigan held them off (game was at UofM Crisler) and ended
up winning by 10. 72-62 (or something close) Funderburke looked kind of
timid at times and he seemed to spend too much time setting picks at the top of
 the key because he was getting doubled down low.  Michigan played smothering

D in the 1st half causing something like 3 45 second calls and a lot of bad
forced shots by OSU.  They really let up in the 2nd, but managed to sit on
a big lead most of the way trading baskets and hitting something like 10 of 10
from the stripe at the end of the game.


                                              Scott Roberts
                                              u13409@uicvm.uic.edu
                                              GO BLUE!
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Kansas Upset -- More upsetting to Boiler Fans
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:45:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.160854.7955@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers) writes:

>With Kansas losing and if all things go to form the rest of this week (ie -
>no upsets).  Next week will be a bad week for Boiler fans everywhere.
>
>That's the Indiana LOOSIERS will be ranked No. 1.
>
>But rejoice in the fact that everybody knows that these polls mean absolutely
>nothing !!!!

Well, nearly absolutely nothing.  What means absolutely everything and what
must sadden Boiler fans everywhere is that despite regularly attracting
respectable talent, the coaching staff at Purdue has been regularly unable
to win an NCAA championship, let alone get to the Final Four.  I would
suppose, but then I am just spoiled by likeing a winning team, that this
should be the really aggravating thing: THE Univeristy in Indiana has also
become THE LOOSING university in Indiana.  As we used to say at MIT when
the code breaks at runtime: lose, lose...

				-- Marek
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:58:19 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <30448@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>I watched this game until I began to feel bad for UCLA and then I knew it
>was time to turn it off. UCLA has big problems. What a pathetic group.
>The bigmen are piss-poor Zidek and Petruska are stiffs of a magnitude the
>Pac-10 has never seen before and although Zimmerman looked stellar at times,

Rodney has 2 funadmental flaws. He is not a good offensive player(limited
shooter, bad passer) and he attracts fouls like a magnet. He is a good
defender and rebounder. The scary thing is that he is playing better than
Petruska who has just disappeared off the map since the ASU game. I wish
Harrick had pulled out Rodney in the 1st half after his 3rd foul, he left
him in, he got his 4th, so Dempsey started the 2nd half. Poor coaching
move there.
>to la la land at this point. I realize that Edney is a fairly solid guard but
>who the hell told him he was good? The kid seems to think he is capable of
>controling a game and frankly he is far from it. Harrick seems to just let
>the Bruins go - this might have worked often enough with the group he had
>last season but this season he just looks incapable of coaching. The 

Edney is pretty good, the problem is he was up against a really great player
in Jason Kidd. Kidd set him up several times by baiting him and then stealing
the pass, you just dont see too many guys his size that are that quick.
Tarver tried to handle jason later and did ok but they never were able to
stop him beating their defense and drawing the help. That is why they got
murdered on the offensive glass too, the rebounders were trying to block
shots, so they could not block their men out.


>and they just don't have the quality guard play to run with most teams.

Running is the Bruins strength, the problem is it is Cals strength too, and
they proved yesterday they do it better than we do. I suspect the next
game(Feb. 20?) UCLA will zone Cal and make them hit jumpshots for at least
part of the game.

Just another example of how hoops is a game of matchups. Cal matches up
with us really well, they do what we do, only better.




Russ Smith
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From: rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who's Stupider Here? (Charlie Ward stuff)
Keywords: Charlie Ward, FSU, dumb-off
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:34:42 GMT
Organization: Post Software International, Wake Forest, NC

In article <2392@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
> (William Keleher) writes:

> >   Uh-huh.  In an ESPN report during the football season, Dean Smith
> >said Ward was "the best point guard I've ever seen."  I'm inclined to
> >think that old Dean knows a little about the subject...
  
> What else could he have said? He had to be gracious...

> Lets see, I know a way we can obtain a resolution of this problem. 4 weeks
> ago # 10 (sic) FSU played and was hammered by Duquesne University. In their
> next game Duquesne was humbled by the MPP, and a real Point guard Jerry "Ice"
> McCollough,SSG, scored 29 points including 4 of six from trey-land...
  
> Here the case is rested and may  the facts speak for themselves..

I believe that the facts might just show that Charlie Ward was not yet
playing the point for FSU when that game was played.  Something to do
with a sport called football, I think...  In fact, I believe that FSU
is undefeated since Ward has returned to his duties at the point.  This
fact is painfully obvious to this Duke fan after yesterday's game!

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From: rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bob Baker)
Subject: The Mash and his NBA prospects (was: UK & in-state players)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:41:46 GMT

In article <C17KxF.2sG@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>For the record, UK is giving a point guard at Marion Co. a 2nd and 3rd
>look. (Can't remember his name) But unless Mashburn goes pro, there
>really won't be a place for him. [Not that he's going to stay, but
>his shot selection this year has been terrible...all those shots blocked
>by itty-bitty guys: pro scouts notice such things. Can you say Waymon
>Tisdale? Stacey King? Other can't miss pro forwards...in case you've
>forgotten.].

An interesting point.  But, I don't think that either Tisdale or King
had all around game that Mashburn does.  It seems that both Oklahoma
forwards were more "back to the basket" players, where Mashburn can
score from just about anywhere.

The area that I think he might be a little suspect on is his defense.
Wasn't it him that was guarding Nover in the IU game?  Or was that
Rhodes who allowed Matt to have a career night?  Of course, I should
keep in mind that one bad game does not a bad defensive player
make....

Bob


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         / rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu     /
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From: pchu@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Darkwing Duck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:37:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan26.220139.104780@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>>Kansas was blown out by Long Beach State.  Is this the biggest upset of the
>>decade?

>Wasn't Long Beach ranked until their loss to Santa Barbara last week?

>I think the Penn State win over UCLA in the '91 tournament wass a bigger upset
>than last night's game.

How about North Carolina over Oklahoma in 1990?

Peter
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Dean and the Four Corners
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:10:39 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) 
writes:

 >One can gripe at Smith but he was only using the rules to win games....
 >
 >Dean said he was in favor of a shot clock, but if he wouldn't have 
 >cheesed so many people off, the NCAA might still not have a shot clock 
 >today.....

If you think that the 4 Corners or variants in the last two minutes
of the game was bad, there was one Duke-UNC game in the 1960's that 
probably tops it all.

Since UNC was the underdogs, UNC played the 4 Corners the entire game, 
or nearly.

The flaw in UNC's plan was that Duke got the lead early at the start, 
and Duke wouldn't come out of its zone defense to challenge the 4 Corners. 
Duke won the game, 21-20.

Another example of Dean's using the rules to win games.  Or try to win
games.

Note: I won't guarantee the accuracy of this posting since it happened
too long ago.  Perhaps Curtis Hill could help with the details?


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From: eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu (Eric A Stout)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Drivel (N.C. - F.S.U.)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:12:25 GMT
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: molest.ugcs.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan28.175736.3591@samba.oit.unc.edu> Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>Some points for y'all out there:
>
>a) Charlie Ward is a fine ballplayer.  Excellent.  Gets tired like
>everyone else, though.  And that's what happened at the end.  The pass
>Lynch stole was poor, but his 3/4 court bullet early in the game was awesome.

Okay, so I've been hearing lots about how much Charlie Ward has helped FSU
since coming out after football - how they were 5-0 with him as a starter,
etc.  And he had been putting up pretty impressive numbers.  But last night
was the first time I've actually seen him play basketball, and while I was
occasionally impressed (EXTREMELY impressed!) with his athletic ability, I
was fairly disappointed with his offensive performance.  I liked his defense
pretty well; I wish I had statistics that gave the number of steals he had.
But offensively, he played basically the whole game and had 5 pts. (2-5) and
5 assists.  And in the second half, he didn't step up, he disappeared with
the rest of the team.  Maybe it's true that he was coming down with the flu,
as Vitale said; that would explain his second-half death.  But really,
except for a couple of exceptional passes (he better be able to pass...) and
one nice three, Charlie was not an offensive presence.  Certainly not
"clearly the best athlete in the country," as Dickie V. (whom I happen to
like) would have us believe.

I give Carolina a great deal of credit for mental toughness last night.  When
you're down 21 with less than 10 minutes to play, it's really easy to fold up
the tent and go home.  It's just as easy to keep playing, cut into the lead,
but never have enough confidence or intensity to actually come back and win.
It's EXTREMELY difficult to play 30 minutes of frankly abysmal basketball (the
first 30 minutes) and then finish as strongly as Carolina did.  The presence
of Montross certainly helped, but the threes were the nails in FSU's coffin.
Again, mental toughness was important:  UNC had missed about a million threes
without hitting ONE.  How confident does a team have to be to come off that
kind of performance and nail down FIVE IN A ROW when it counts?  Pretty
confident...

I was begging and pleading for North Carolina to lose that game.  But the sign
of a great team is a team that can have a bad game (downright lousy!) and still
beat a good team having a good game.  Much as I love my Hoosiers, UNC has to
be #1 right now.

Oh, speaking of #1, I have a theory for why both Indiana and North Carolina
were behind most of the night last night:  neither of them wants the curse
of the #1 ranking!  Finally, though, the desire to win must have overcome
the desire not to be #1, as they both pulled into the lead in the final few
minutes of their respective games :-).

Eric A. Stout
eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu
From: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA

In article <1993Jan19.193128.6317@news.uiowa.edu>, wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>: (Cousin) Dean Smith
>
>: 	Innovation:  The cursed 4-corners.  It brought the shot clock to college
>: basketball.  Everybody hates watching the 4-corners, but every college team in
>: the country runs a variant of it when the clock runs down.  (ALTHOUGH:  Virginia
>: kept attacking the basket in their normal offense in their win over Duke, which
>: was a refreshing change, refreshing especially for Virginia).
>: 
>For me, this point is enough to get him disqualified from the running.  I just
>know this is going to be the beginning of a whole new thread, but here goes.
>The four corners came pretty close to ruining the game of basketball.  A man
>who would take a perfectly good game that features a good mix of scoring,
>defense, athletic ability, desire, and excitement, and devise a scheme like
>the four corners should be sentenced to 100 years of watching NHL films.  He
>should not be considered the best coach of all time.  Other than that, I
>would agree Dean is one of the all time greats.

  Several people have now attributed the shot clock's arrival to Dean
Smith's vaunted 4-corner offense.  However, I think there was another
extremely significant factor in the bringing about of the shot clock.
I don't remember what year these games happened, but right about the
time the NCAA was debating the shot clock a couple of strange games
were played.  One of these games was televised and I believe it
was between a powerful Kentucky team and a bad Cincinnati team.
(I am less certain about UC.)  The only thing the bad team had
going for them was one really nifty point guard.  So the bad team,
anytime they got the ball, would simply have this point guard dribble
around at mid-court for minutes on end.  Every once in a while he 
would do something different and a shot would go up.  The half ended
with the score being 13-9 in favor of Kentucky.
  Although Kentucky pulled away in the second half on a couple of
early buckets, games like this also contributed to the NCAA's 
desire for a shot clock.  
  My apologies if I have erred in naming the participants.
  
  -Lec Luthor
   Criminal Genius Extraordinaire
   Official Member of the Moses Scurry Rebounding Club
   lec@monty.chem.ucla.edu
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A team name to consider
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:38:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan21.004853.18790@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>In article <1jkle3INNluf@washington.cs.unc.edu> denelsbe@cs.unc.edu (Kevin Dene
>lsbeck) writes:
>>[...]
>> Almost every team-name is either neuter or male with respect to gender.
>> However, one seems to be feminine:
>>
>>    Delaware Blue Hens
>>
>> [...]
>> This suggests the
>>possibility that the Delaware MEN'S teams might want to mangle the name a
>>little bit.
>
>     Hey, that'd be cool: the Delaware Men Hens! Ha! :-)

	Well, that's certainly better than the obvious male analog:

	The Delaware Blue Cocks.

	Gives quite a vivid image, doesn't it?

>    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:17:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Jamal Mashburn.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Ohio State Summary
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:39:14 GMT

In article <DOEL.93Jan27145853@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:

   >                                                    They really let up in
   > the 2nd, but managed to sit on a big lead most of the way trading baskets
   > and hitting something like 10 of 10 from the stripe at the end of the
   > game.

   Baloney.  Michigan played their starters the whole game.  I didn't see them
   "let up" the entire game.  

The Michigan starters  are notorious for letting up on their intensity.  He
didn't say Fisher let up on OSU (i.e. putting in subs) but rather the team.
I've never seen a team of players lose focus and intensity as quickly as this
bunch.

Bill
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: IU-Michigan student ticket for sale.
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:59:27 GMT


Subject header says it all.  Michigan comes to IU Feb. 14 for a rematch of
last week's one-point Hoosier victory in Ann Arbor.  Must have valid IU
student ID (or excellent resemblance of one) to enter with this ticket.
Entrance K, 22nd row seat.  Right now asking $100 or best offer (which is
$50 at the moment).

E-mail me if you're interested and/or got screwed by IU's f%*$%#-up student
ticket distribution system.

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--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
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From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: Clarence "Bighouse" Gaines
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:02:19 GMT

In my Street & Smith's issue it talks about Jim Phelan (sp?) from
Mt. Saint Mary's who needed 7 wins for 700.  Is this list for Div. 1
wins only (I think Mt. St. Mary's just made Div. 1 a while back).

Scott
From: sfp1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Sven F. F. Pride)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:16:20 GMT
Reply-To: sfp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan27.193338.8268@ryn.mro4.dec.com> murphy@rock.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>
>|> Absolutely Agree     I saw that game between Richmond and Syracuse
>|> This was the Biggest Upset of the Decade.
>|> 
>
>I don't know - what about...
>Chaminade over Virginia and Ralph Sampson???
>
>Murph

What about Villanova over Georgetown '85 fo the NCAA Chamionship.
or maybe
Duke over UNLV '91
	I know peeeople who will swear affadavvits that that game was bought

---Sven Pride
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From: bernstei@acorn.journalism.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: McGuire's All-time IU Team
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:57:33 GMT

In article <1k3tosINNbbo@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
> 	In the last IU game, I wonder if anyone else noticed the all-time  
IU  
> team picked by Al McGuire.  I forget everyone on the list, but one  
surprise was  
> the inclusion of Keith Smart.  What was McGuire thinking?    McGuire  
said  
> something like Smart was his kind of athlete.  Granted, Smart was a  
great  
> athlete, but he only played two years and his second year wasn't very  
> impressive.  Surely, one would have to include Steve Alford  before  
Smart.   
> There are actually many players that should have been included instead  
of  
> Smart.
> 
> 					Tony Erwin  
> 
> Al's all-IU team was only one sign of his senility.  But to replace  
Smart how about Mike Woodson, Quinn Buckner, or, for those of you who go  
back to the '60s, one of the Van Arsdale twins?  Or Randy Wittman?  

Because Al had Isiah already at one guard, I'd put a pure shooter at the  
other: Woodson.

Jim Bernstein
> 
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