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From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Legos
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Organization: UCLA Physiological Science
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Date: 11 Dec 92 13:13:34 PST

In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp> Ken Richards,
kenr@cabezon.uucp writes:
>So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
>and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or
just an 
>engineering geek thing?

I think it's both.  My degree is in computer engineering, as is my
boyfriend's.  Four years ago he gave me a Lego set for Christmas and I've
been playing with it ever since.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:52:47 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <168BAA428.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
>On the second issue:
>I'm not imagining this. One of my dear brothers on soc.motss, once he
>got up the nerve to ask a question, could come up with nothing more
>insightful than "What do lesbians do in sex clubs?" Perhaps I'm being
>too hard on him, but I hear questions like that enough from *straight*
>guys. I expect better here.

Are you saying that it is inappropriate for us to wonder about sexual
practices and (even more interesting) mores in lesbian circles?  Of
course we're not *only* sexual beings, but we *are* sexual beings; and
some of our difference is defined in those terms.  The whole notion
of lesbian sex clubs, for example, goes a long way toward dispelling
the notion that all dykes cuddle and pet the cats for a sex life.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Hi Honey, I'm home (GKTT85)
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.232404.15042@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.224037.6480@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>The Cohens were looking quite good -tasty even- when I was last in their
>>area; I'm sure they'll have more to add.
>
>Well, I'm going to have to wait for an introduction.

Lessons of Life #241432:
*Never* make a posting to soc.motss just as you're scrambling to get out
of the office to your clogging class.  You'll regret it at some point in
future.

I could claim that the names were changed to protect the innocent, but
neither one of them strike me as having *ever* been innocent.  B{) 

Profuse apologies to all,
Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde Heavy Metal Homo)
Subject: Chicago Joins Colorado Boycott
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:59:11 GMT

Hey there everone!  Just have a minute real quick here and 
thought youse might be interested in this:

Today, Mayor Richard M. Daley (the II) proposed that the 
annual convention of mayors, which is scheduled to be held
in June in Colorado Springs should be moved to some other 
location that is more friendly to all people, including gays/
lesbians.  He also hinted that if it were not moved, he would
not be interested in attending.

Way to go Ritchie!!!!

Hippie Jim


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From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:40:17 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1ge112INNe3@plts.uucp>, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
> 1) "What's this reproductive freedom thing?"  Well, the legal basis for
> Roe v. Wade is the 12th [?] amendment (right to privacy; specifically
> between a doctor and a patient).  This same part of the constitution is
> used as the legal basis for much anti-discrimination legislation.  You
> take away Roe v. Wade, you weaken the 12th.  You weaken the 12th, you
> make it difficult for sodomy to be legal.  Believe me, in judicial
> circles this is very important.

I'm not sure I find this exposition convincing.  It is my
recollection (and I hope that someone will correct me if it's wrong) that
in the Georgia sodomy law case, that the Supreme Court decided that
the Constitution does _not_ imply a right to privacy (and the weight of
precedent has prevented Roe vs. Wade from having been overturned as well).

It is because the Court does not recognize our rights that it becomes more
urgent that they be protected by law.

Now I am curious to know what exactly is the text which implies the
right to privacy.  Would somebody be willing to post it?

As for the rights of transsexuals, I meant to remark in my posting about
the rights of transsexuals in France how similar are the issues facing
GLB's and TS's.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Subject: Re: Progress for Transsexuals in France (news item)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:06:22 GMT

In article <9212132128.AA59343@chaos.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:
>msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
>> I was surprised to find this matter still under question. 
>> Anybody know what US law says about it? 
>
>In the U.S., I believe that it is a matter of state law. 

And sometimes it is just a matter of luck. In Washington, it is an
expensive process, you have to prove that you are >50% of your new sex;
have a doctor's expert testimony, etc.

A friend who ran out of money halfway through years ago, (and then
decided he was happy that way--I've never asked for the whole details,
but I'm sure he never had a penis constructed) has been living with
and wanting to marry a woman for years.

About six months ago, he went in to get his driver's license renewed, and
a nicely naive clerk said, "my heavens, your license says you're a woman.
You want me to change that for you?"  He said, of course, yes.

He went in and applied for a marriage license with just his driver's
licence, and they were married a couple of months ago.  Now, I suppose
if it came to question, it would be thrown out, but they are on each
other's health insurance, and they intend to file jointly this year.

Sandy	

-----------token motss girl-type bisexual is a great job------------ 


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Donald and the D.C. Eagle (was Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:18:20 GMT


In article <1992Dec14.221628.26449@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.151901.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>  
|> smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith) writes:

|> } 
|> } So, I second jojo's suggestion of the D.C. Eagle.
|> } 
|> } Father Amelia
|> 
|> But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
|> I have no leather garments ...

Silly child!  You have a plain white t-shirt, no?
You have levis, no?  You have some sort of non-obnoxious
work boots or toned-down footwear, no?  Then you have
an acceptable outfit.

We had a strange time at the DC Eagle.  It was Quilt Weekend,
which may have explained it, but people weren't real *playful*.

We did get a couple of people who insisted on licking Bob's
armpits, but one guy we surrounded and started feeling got
all upset and huffy, and the tall guy from Toronto with the
butt like a shelf got scared off without us even touching
him (much).  

I know we can be intimidating, but really.  So Donald, you
shouldn't worry......

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:38:53 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1ggntgINNdo4@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.164442.206@gems.vcu.edu> 
> kkenny@gems.vcu.edu writes:
> 
>> Arne, if you were a dog, you'd definitely be a schnauzer!
> 
> I'm unfamiliar with dog breeds, but I take it that that
> was meant to be unflattering.

My dad has 2 schnauzers that I will admit to being rather fond of,
but sometimes I wish they would bark once and be done with it.
It's that tendency that helped me to choose 'schnauzer' in the 
above context.

If I didn't read your posts, Arne, there would have been
no reply.  


>> Not exactly the way I wanted to resplash in motss, but here it is
>> anyway.
> 
> Welcome back.  (And you could use some pointers on how to 
> deliver sterner tongue lashings.)

tsk...and all those wimmin who received tongue lashings from
me _never_ said a word!!  thanks.

Karen, sterner-tongue-lasher-in-training 
+======================================================+
                                         Karen S. Kenny
"Of course, you silly things!"      kkenny@gems.vcu.edu
                                  Medical College of VA                      
                                           Richmond, VA
+======================================================+
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: An Apology
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:32:37 GMT

In article <GANDALF.92Dec11171637@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>, gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
|> Oh, please. I think we all need to lighten up a bit. 
|> How are we supposed to express anger?
|> "That extremely unpleasant person, Lou Sheldon, makes me very very 
|> perturbed." Right. It really sounds angry.

"That bottom-dwelling, scum-sucking worm, Lou Sheldon."
"That arrogant, hateful, selfish egotist, Lou Sheldon."
"That unprincipled bigot, Lou Sheldon."
"That bloodthirsty, ignorant hate-monger, Lou Sheldon."
"That tinsel-haloed fascist, Lou Sheldon."

Try it, you might like it.  And it requires that your vocabulary be
larger and your language be more exact and descriptive.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT COLORADO! Postcards
Summary: People unclear on the concept...
Organization: Jews for Melkor
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.002408.5820@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> mills@spot.Colorado.EDU (MILLS MICHAEL J) writes:
>    Please support the boycott of all of Colorado by purchasing fabulous 
>"Boycott Colorado!  The HATE State"  postcards....
>
>   Send $1 per 5 cards plus $1.50 postage and handling to:
>
>      Project VisAbility
>      P.O. Box 1823
>      Boulder, CO
>      80306
>      USA

Hmmm. You want us to buy something from Boulder to encourage
people to boycott Colorado? One of us is missing something here.

Maybe you ought to have an out-of-stater distribute these...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"We all have faults, and mine is being wicked."
                --- The Duke of Coffin Castle
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:50:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.045022.13250
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <71642@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Boy, Steve -- you *really* don't know much about my taste in music.

I thought I'd make a wild guess.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Bob Kosovsky)
Subject: Re: Recently visited Dachau...
Reply-To: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:12:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.150105.19512@pony.Ingres.COM>, jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles) writes:
>Last week I visited Dachau, and found it to be a sad exercise in gay
>and lesbian invisibility....

>The only mention of homosexuals was a reproduction of the SS chart
>detailing the emblem each prisoner wore, such as yellow for jews, pink
>triangles for homosexuals. No mention was made of the identification
>attached to a displayed uniform: the pink triangle.

This is not true of Auschwitz, where a camp uniform with the pink
triangle is prominently displayed and identified.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:27:46 GMT


In article <1g5uoqINN9ps@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
|> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
|> >Joseph Fernandez, Chancellor of the New York City Board of Education, is
|> >taking a lot of heat (and has even received death threats) for his support
|> >of the "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum.  This curriculum introduces as
|> >early as first grade the concept of tolerance for all families, including
|> >gay and lesbian families.
|> 
|> This is something I'm not comfortable with.  (the "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum) 
|> I don't feel it is appropriate to be reading "Heather has 2 mommies" to a 
|> first-grader.  Because of the religious strings that are attached to the
|> whole subject, it should *not* be taught in the public schools, especially to
|> kids who are so young.  What if it directly contradicts the religious
|> upbringing of the parents?  

So Heather, in first grade, deserves to be subjected
to teasing and pain by other children because of the
fact of her parents being of the same gender?  Or she
is to learn what gays and lesbians learn - to hide,
to be ashamed or embarrassed.

Do you think it's the place of the schools to teach that
children live in many different types of homes, some religious,
some not, some with one parent, some with two, some same-sex
parents, some not?  

Do you object to children being taught about Jews and 
religious intolerance, even if some of the parents
may be holocaust revisionists?  Do you object to children
being taught that black people are not inferior, even
if some of the parents are racists and supremicists?

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: davidk@bcsaic.boeing.com (Dave Kerlick)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:33:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <BzE9GC.6H1@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <71779@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>>Even today in Britain, I understand, the word "fag" is used as
>>slang for "cigarette."
>
>True.
>
>>The explanation goes that the transfer
>>of the word to gay men comes from the time just after the
>>introduction of cigarettes, when they were commonly considered
>>to be notably less "masculine" than a pipe or a proper cigar.
>
>Now that's an interesting explanation, and not one that seems
>implausible to me.  My best guess involves speculations on what goes
>on at British boarding schools ...
>

This is the most plausible that I have heard.  That the lower classmen in
boarding schools had amongst other duties, to procure cigarettes for the
older boys, becoking their fag-boys or whatever, and by amplification also
had to perform other services of a sexual nature. 

The stuff about burnings at the stake is for the most part romantic
fiction, although the Faggot was a punishment for heresy, being Jewish,
etc.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: miller@triton.unm.edu (R.C. Miller)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 07:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

As a person who reads soc.motss but who hasn't posted much, I'd like
to join the discussion about splitting it up.  I personally like the
volume, at least in the sense that people are having a conversation
and adding their own comments or ideas to a thread.  I even like the
tangents that people go off on.  I don't like the idea of splitting
the group because I like the variety of topics and the unity of
soc.motss.

One thing that would help, I think, is to reduce the number of lines
copied from previous postings.  A short summary or a few lines to
show what you're responding to would be fine.  It gets a little
annoying when the entire first screen is a re-run. :)

Becky

-- 
Becky Miller@triton.unm.edu
All I want is just a little peace of mind, but the angels won't have it.
-Melissa Etheridge
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:12:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71642@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec14.133453.16832@sei.cmu.edu>

Daniel Bidwa remarks:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>|> I am *NOT* into Megadeth. While heavy metal may sound all alike to
>|> those not fond of any part of it, believe me -- there are major 
>|> differences. One of the things I like about Metallica is James
>|> Hetfield's interesting, intelligent and INTELLIGIBLE lyrics; they
>|> don't have a great deal of competition in this field, IMHO.
>
>Blech. Too slow, too slow...

My father has a chain saw you can listen to, if you like.

I'm coming to realize that I don't really care about "genres" or
whatever -- I'm more interested in particular artists or groups
that do things I find interesting.  I elucidated the reason I like
Metallica above; I certainly wouldn't say that in general I'm a
fan of heavy metal.

This probably has something to do with the fact that my tastes
run from Metallica to Madonna, ELO to Erasure, ABBA to ZZ Top.

No one I've known has been able to consistently predict what
I'll like.
 
() Thank you Tipper and Jesse for making sure that as long
() as there are a few four-letter words in the album, it
() will always sell an extra million copies.
()      -- Steve Tyler of Aerosmith, at the
()         1990 MTV Video Music Awards
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.153134.11417@rtsg.mot.com> yorton@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>I just finished reading the editorial for this issue (Dec 10)
>of Chicago's Windy City Times, entitled "A Disaster in the
>Making", and I'm rather distraught over it.  It's on page 13.
>For the most part, I agree with WCT's editorial.
>
>It details the demands of the March on Washington 1993,
>and discusses the ramifications.  It takes issue with the
>"transgender" clause of the march.  WCT reports that according
>to MOW officials, transgender is defined to refer to
>"transvestites" and "transsexuals".
>
[MUCH DELETED...]
>
>
>For those of you who are going, you'd better do some research,
>read the fine print, and make damn well sure you know what
>you're marching for.  You have to ask yourself: What do
>transgender issues, bilingual education, prisoner's rights, among
>other things, have to do with sexual orientation and a MOW for
>lesbigay civil rights?  MOW officials say the platform represents
>the feeling of most in the gay community.  I find that hard to
>believe.
>
[MUCH MORE DELETED...]

"Justice for all" means justice for all.  Plain and simple.

All women, all people of color, all gay/lesbian/bi people, all
ethnics, all people with disabilities, all people who are
denied justice because they are different should march.

I have my ticket purchased.  I will be there to march.  The
more inclusive the platform, the better.  I'm sick and tired of
injustice.

And if Helms or Dole or even Clinton says "we can't support THAT", then
it's their problem, their phobia, not the writers of the MOW platform.


-- 
Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
chuck@pixel.kodak.com			Eastman Kodak Company
(716)726-9461				901 Elmgrove Road
					Rochester, NY  14653-5811
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Motss-relevant bicycle attachments? Why, banana seats, you fool!

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: REPOST: An apology to Greg Parkinson
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:06:01 GMT

 
It occurred to me some of you may have missed this under its former
Subject: line...
 
In article <168BEA6E8.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>
TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
 
I wanted to do this days ago, but network outages have kept me off the
.net for about three days. I want to apologize to Greg Parkinson for my
reaction to his question about what lesbians do in sex clubs. I may
have misuderstood where he was coming from. A poster pointed out quite
aptly that there are certain mores to these clubs that may differ be-
tween male and female settings and that those mores are of cultural in-
terest and not a matter of titillation. Greg's question was framed in terms
of specific sexual acts, pointing out that men have oral sex, and more
rarely, protected anal sex (I'm paraphrasing because I don't have his
specific terminology before me), so I thought he was asking about specifics.
And perhaps even if he was, it shouldn't have mattered. He was trying to
start a dialogue, and I cut him off at the knees. For the record, I am
not alone in my initial reaction to the question, but other women had the
good sense to do what I should have done and keep their remarks to them-
selves.
>
I also regret that Greg's name was taken in vain in another thread. None
of this is fair to him, and again, I apologize. When I am better able to
articulate my feelings -- I obviously haven't done too well so far -- I
may attempt again. But probably not. (Greg, come back...)
>
Tracey
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