HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Remote Controlled Machines!
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:53:08 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <C0LGK9.H39@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, rajesh@maruti.ece.cmu.edu (Rajesh H. Zele) writes:
> Is it true that there is no difference between a base model that comes with
> and without remote.. except for the model no written on it. I was looking 
> through some CD players in a local audio shop. 

This is true of some equipment but not of others.

Also, in some cases you will find that features that are supposedly only 
present in a higher-priced unit are actually present in the lower-priced unit;
the lower-priced one simply doesn't have the extra buttons on the remote or on
the front panel.  If you use the higher-priced unit's remote on the lower-
priced unit you may find that those "extra cost" features are present.  
Reason - in many cases it is cheaper to build all of the p.c. boards the same
than to build several different boards.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:15:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking cassette deck recommendation
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

srk@sunrise.genrad.com (Stephen R. Klein) asks:

> I'm considering buying a cassette deck, and would be interested in
> any recommendations from the net.  I'm looking for a durable machine with
> excellent sound quality and no frills (single well, no auto-reverse). Speed
> accuracy and standard equalization are important (so that recordings will
> sound good when played on other machines).  3-heads would be nice, but is
> not required (although it is handy to have this if the deck has bias and
> equalization adjustments).  I'm not sure what a good cassette deck would
> cost, but I'm guessing it would be around $300.

     About 6 months ago I set out with nearly the same criteria.  I
  ended up with a Sony TCK?-690.  It's a 3 head deck with adjustable
  bias and level controls, peak reading meters, Dolby B & C, level &
  balance controls, dual capstan tape handling & 3 motors.  I was
  pleasantly surprised to find it for $259 from Illinois Audio (mail
  order).  I've made and played a bunch of tapes on it and been quite
  happy with the quality of the recordings.  My previous machine was
  a Harmon Kardon CD-491 which was a totl model at 3x the Sony price.
  After 5 years of constant use the transport mechanism has completely
  worn out and parts are no longer available...

  One data point,

  Ken
From: gmaltby@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Gavin Maltby)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:12:04 GMT
Organization: University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc036.cc.unp.ac.za

In article <1993Jan6.215347@trc.amoco.com> znpt01@trc.amoco.com (Norman P. Tracy) writes:

>Oh good, a man with the facts. Well some of the facts. Ok, half the facts.
>Here are some more facts for consideration:

>1. The point of the exercise is to reconstruct an analog signal, not just
>move bytes from file to file or onto a display.

>2. To reconstruct an analog signal from digital data two things are required,
>the data (as in the above facts) AND a clock signal (not mentioned in above
>facts).

etc

Thanks for the final, authorative word.  I think quite a number of people
should be eating their words!

Cheers

Gavin
From: sb6s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Blessing)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help my remote learn
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:21:32 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I just got a Sony GX67ES receiver with the Sony RM-P313 programmable
remote. It was a demo unit, and didn't come with instructions. I figured
out how to assign keys on the remote to the various functions of my
other remotes, but after 20-25 assignments, the red learn light starts
to flash, and I can't do any more programming. This has happened twice
now, I reset the remote the first time. There's not a limit to the
number of assignments, is there? What's the deal with the flashing learn
light? And, what's the difference between the program clear and reset
buttons? Could I have a defective remote? Any other non-intuitive things
about this remote? Thanks.

Steve (sb6s@andrew.cmu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dave@news.ccutah.edu (dave martin)
Subject: speakers out of back of van sellers arrested
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 06:12:19 GMT

On tonight's local news, they had a story about two people selling
speakers out of the back of a van.  They mentioned that the speakers
were claimed to handle 120 watts, but under testing destroyed themselves
at 43 watts in less than 1 second.  Police warned that the speakers were
actually very low quality.  Two people were arrested, one has a prior
criminal record one does not.

sounds like the same scam described in the FAQ.  This occurred in Salt Lake
City, Utah.

dave@csulx.weber.edu (ignore the header address, its probably wrong)
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD/LD jitter: I certainly do get it! (Was: Kerry doesn't get it...)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <24558@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (J. Johnston) writes:
>
>As usual, audio seems to be behind the rest of
>the world, where clean clock recovery seems to have been
>examined rather more closely that rec.audio seems to think.
>-- 
  That's it.  We'll put a TI TMS38053 plus a TROLI module at the DAC
  end of the cable!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:49:16 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <C0I0Jq.IJM@iphase.com> grima@iphase.com (Gary Rima) writes:
>>>
>>    Yeah, a LITTLE knowledge can be really dangerous.  Particularly
>>    when you expose it on the 'net.
>>
>
>Yep, you're absolutely right - as you're about to prove by direct example!
>
   Touche'

>>    Most commercial circuits I know of a 0 is at least 0.7 volts or
>>    more...as that's the saturation of silicon.
>
>CMOS logic, which is the basis for most modern LSI circuitry.  0.7 volts is
>not the "saturation of silicon".  Rather, it is the saturation voltage (base-
>emitter junction voltage) of a silicon junction transistor.  A (silicon)

    OK, we can run this thread into the ground.  You wanna publish
    the voltage thresholds for ECL, ECL*2, ACT, LCMOS, etc. etc.
    etc?
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson)
Subject: Where to buy 1/4 open reel tape?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:01:49 GMT


For nostalgic reasons and for long recording times I've been thinking about
picking up a used open reel tape deck. (I've seen good quality ones in
pawn shops for < $100)  However, I can't find any place in town selling
the tape anymore!  Even Radio Shack discontinued selling their better
quality reel tape this year.

Any mail order houses I can order tape from?

Thanks..Charles


-- 
/ Charles Carlson  umcarls9@ccu.Umanitoba.CA  
\ This .sig now available on a limited edition 2 record set, for 4 easy 
/ installments of $19.95 each. To order, please have your Visa or Mastercard
\ ready and phone: 1-800-555-1212, or send check or MO to 200-155 Carlton St.
From: bmok@uucp (Bert Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Recommendations for Dual-Cassette Audio Tape Deck wanted
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:00:44 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


I want to get a new Dual-Cassette Tape Deck.  My price range is $200-300 
which can be stretched if necessary.
Features wanted:
auto-reverse on both transports
Dolby B & C, HX-Pro 
recording capabilities on both transports
auto tape selection
remote controllable
music search
reliable, etc.

Thanks much.

Bert Mok
Phone: 415-506-2132
FAX:   415-506-7293
Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Internet: bmok@oracle.com    UUCP: uunet!oracle!bmok
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dfuller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Desi Fuller)
Subject: Suggestion: All-in-one Stereos
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:55:02 GMT


I would like suggestions on these types of components.  I have an
office (fairly large) which I would like to have a hi-watt stereo
but I don't want to get individual components.  

These types of all-in-one w/ CD/dual cassettes/am/fm seem to be
getting quite popular.  If possible I would like DSP and the ability
of detach the speakers for placement around the room (if I can connect
4 speakers it would be even better).

Any suggestions?  If there is enought interests I will summarize the
replies.

- Desmond Fuller
From: Matt.Ion@p106.f7040.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Matt Ion)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Bose Speakers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 09:52:48 -0800

 MGS> V & VI are state of the art!  The drawback to Bose in all truthfulness
is
 MGS> a lack of "powerfull, deep" bass.  Oh yes, they have power alright. 
Sales
 MGS> reps plug these speakers directly into house current and the speakers
are
 MGS> just as good as they did before the abuse.  No other speaker owner or
 MGS> manufacture would likely try this one.

I hear JBL burns in its large sub drivers by hanging them in an anechoic
chamber, hooking them up to 120VAC/60Hz and running them for 24 hours. V^2/R
or 120^2/8 gives you about 1800W power dissipation, CONSTANT.


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:08:19 GMT

Lon Stowell (lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com) wrote:
:     Could you be a bit more specific on what kind of cassette you
:     compare it to?

:     o  mid-fi auto deck with Dolby B

:     o  Ford/JBL system in a Town Car

:     o  Walkman quality portable

:     o  mid-fi home deck

:     o  something like a NAD with HX Pro and Dolby C

:     o  Nakamichi Dragon


:     Are you dubbing CD's and h.q. LP's or just commercial FM?

:     And if you don't mind, what brand/model do you have?   

:     Does it sound good over $200 headphones or does it sound better
:     over typical "walkman quality" phones?

I guess I should have qualified what type of tape "environment" I meant.
I am not talking about very-high-end in-home units.  I am refering more
to the portable market, like walkmans, car stereo, etc.  I have an old
Techniques Cassette deck at home (not sure what model, but it was around
$120 in 1980).  The deck make pretty good recordings for auto use, but
has the associated problems with noise (has dolby A) and wow and flutter
(really bad im my car deck).  The flutter/wow stuff REALLY bugs me, and
that is the big reason I like the digital idea for mobil use.

				Joe
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:55:59 GMT
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

To add gas to the flame war:

I told our engineer who is designing our next generation Versatil
Link (HPs TOSLINK) about this discussion.  He just returned from
Japan and said they had some wild marketing glitz cables that some
may want to order:    8-) for the sarcazm impaired

Note that these links use 1m of 1mm plasitc fiber for error free
operation (<10^-12 BER) in the lab.

1)  Gold plated connectors (I guess to reduce plastic corrosion!?)

2)  Bundled 100um fibers for lower dispersion (thus less jitter)
    This might work for 2 km fibers, but 1m?!!

Other thoughts:

1)  $20 Sony interconnects are "spot welded for reliability".  Yeah
    bend them a few times and they will reliably become intermittent.

2)  $30 worth of parts (cable and two $10 connectors) soldered in the
    US might take another $20 with loaded labor rates.  Company
    mark-up of 100% and 100% markup for the dealer makes these hand
    soldered cables you can build in the lab cost $200.

3)  Pay Allen Armstrong what he's worth to tell you which cable to use
    and it might cost you $500 by the time it hits the dealer.  Pay me
    to measure it with $50K worth of equipment and it might be a
    steal at $1000.

Is a digital cable worth more than $30 to me?  Probably not.  I'd
build my own or replace the SONY cables every so often if they are
moved alot.

Is an analog interconnect (1meter) worth $200 or more to me?  Not
sure yet.  I can't hear any differences between $50 and $200 cables,
but I'm still trying to be open minded and will listen to some more
before I run off at the mouth.

Is 12 AWG Monster Cable @ $1/ft better than 18 or 16 AWG speaker
cable?  YES, YES, YES.

How about more expensive speaker cable?  Probably not - haven't
heard anything yet with ABX that would convince me to upgrade.

Kirk out
=> "We are what we pretend to be."  -  Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Kirk Lindstrom - OCD Product R & D | Hewlett-Packard Co.  M/S: 91UA |
|   Engineer/Scientist, Hardware     |                                |
|------------------------------------| Optical Communication Division |
|     kirk_lindstrom@sj.hp.com       |                                |
|    Kirk Lindstrom / HP0100/UX      | 370 W. Trimble Rd.             |
| ph 408 435 6404 | fax 408 435 6286 | San Jose, CA  95131-1096       |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusama Juha,,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:54:57 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland 
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi
Originator: kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi

It is quite simple to measure the error rate of a CD. In about all situations
(undamaged disk, working player) the rate is 0. No errors and yes, bits are
bits, so about any cable can transfer the numbers absolutely right.

On the other hand, different digital cables do sound subtle different in
suitable conditions. This can be (and has been) reliably ferified in double
blind tests. So there is a reason to ask the question on the subject: line.

I will not reveal the answer here (too easy and discourages intelligent
thinking) but I'll give a hint. TIMING of the bits is also important for the
outcoming sound, and is transferred in analog form from the digital
source. There is no crystal at the receiving box.
--
Juha
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: law40001@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHENG KWONG WING)
Subject: Questions: Spk Stands/Threshold Amps
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:24:56 GMT


Hi folks,

Just 2 questions:

1.  Has anyone experience in building their own speaker stands; I have
been considering using bricks to make an enclosure, putting kitty litter
in the middle to fill it up.

--any comments or advice on this


2.  Does anyone out there happen to be using a Threshold SA1 or SA2
power amp?  How is it?  Could you post the specs please?

I heard it at a second hand dealer's some time ago and they were asking
for US$1500 for it?  Is that a good buy?

Thanks to all replies in advance.

--
--
____________________   .    .   __         . 
\______NCC_1701_____|) .____.--"--"---._____ 
             ||      /-----._________.----/  
     /=======||====/___/       "--"          
   . \==\____________|(-                .
From: paisley@asc.slb.com (Gary Paisley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Subject: Ribbon cable ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:25:44
Organization: Schlumberger Austin Systems Center
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: mars.asc.slb.com


	More than a few months ago in this news group, a poster
mentioned He was going to wire his studio using ribbon cable. 

	I have the opportunity to do the same, but I was
wondering about the results.

	Seems like the stuff would have lower capacitance for
making RCA connections than single conductor shielded cable, and
thus better high frequency characteristics, but what is the downside ?
(More noise ?)

	I also have a sample of 26 conductor with a foil shield
around the ribbon. How would this work as a 13 pair balanced cable ?
Would Adjacent channel cross talk be a problem here ?

	
	thanks;
	Gary
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
From: Michel Goudeseune <marcelg@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Monitors (opinions)
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:50:35 GMT

cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger) writes:
>
>				Dajhelon Productions here in Rochester
>recently had to have their HD-1s serviced , and used a pair of Tannoy
>PBM-8s while they were away . i asked two of the engineers how they
>compared . both were quite enthusiastic about the Tannoys . note that
>they cost around $500 for the pair ! there is also a smaller version
>available called the PBM-6.5 , which list around $300/pair .

You can add at least another 4 votes for the Tannoy PBM-8's.  I auditioned a
pair at a local live-audio shop.  That convinced me to buy a pair.  Later, I
had my brother listen to them at the same store, and he bought a pair.  Next,
(this is a bit fuzzy...) his former roommate decided to get a pair for similar
reasons.  And for the 4th person -- he was walking around a stereo shop in NY,
and heard music with amazing imaging, but couldn't physically find the
speakers.  They turned out to be Tannoy PBM-6.5's, which he bought on the
spot, from what I hear.  The other 3 pairs are PBM-8's.

Just the opinions of me and 3 other happy customers :-).

Michel Goudeseune
marcelg@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro,rec.audio
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: DAT tape cut-out function (or, what are those holes in the back for ?)
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:25:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio.pro
Keywords: DAT, hole cut outs, record protect hole

	Can anyone list exactly what the 5 holes in the bottom of
a DAT tape cassette are for ? - Yes I know one of them is the record
prohibit hole, and I suspect that one is to indicate a data cassette,
but does anyone a definitive list of functions ? Thanks.

	Graeme Gill
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: Question about Spectrum Analyzer
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:11:12 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <brambo-050193141317@143.172.48.212> brambo@eco.twg.com 
(Mark Bramblett) writes:
>Do any of you have any recommendations for an accurate spectrum analyzer/
>calibrated microphone combination that is in the price range for a home
>audiophile?

About $995 will net you the ATI LMS (Loudspeaker Measurement System).
The unit is an analyzer for speaker system development.  It is a card
that plugs into a PC and the companion software.  The system _will_ do
what you want to do, generate, store and print graphs of the results
and has the added advantage of  being able to display and print
several graphs overlayed for direct comparison.

I am considering one of these for my work in speaker system design.

The company will supply a demo package that gives you a good idea of
the systems capabilities (minus the hardware).

-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Monitors (opinions)
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:23:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.200953.14967@stortek.com> v035550@stortek.com 
(Steve Monroe) writes:

>I am  interested in opinions on near field monitors.  Currently, I  use  
>Meyer HD-1s, and they are great, HOWEVER, they are very heavy and are not 
>very conducive to being moved around.  I  need something  that  is light, 
>accurate and provides a good amount of playback  detail.  Please  respond 
>via email OR post, your choice.

				Dajhelon Productions here in Rochester
recently had to have their HD-1s serviced , and used a pair of Tannoy
PBM-8s while they were away . i asked two of the engineers how they
compared . both were quite enthusiastic about the Tannoys . note that
they cost around $500 for the pair ! there is also a smaller version
available called the PBM-6.5 , which list around $300/pair .

-- 
       @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
       @       "Imagination keeps the shadows away  -  Xymox       @
       @~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@
       @ a.stranger - CMS2839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu - PGP key on req. @
From: mruddick@joule.elee.calpoly.edu (Michael Ruddick)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Subject: Employment Opportunities?
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:44:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I am soon going to graduate from Cal Poly with an EL degree and would love
to get into the pro-audio industry.  Working for someone of the likes of 
Tascam, Alesis, Roland, Yamaha, etc. would be fantastic.  Does anyone have
any information where I could get addresses or phone numbers for such
places to ask about employment opportunities, etc?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
From: fdeck@vyasa.helios.nd.edu (francis deck)
Subject: Saw (did not hear) Radio Shack DCC deck
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:48:38 GMT

Just for the record, Radio Shack now has a DCC machine... price
is $699, and 90-minute blank media are $10.  Hopefully the
price will start to come down from this level soon.

f.deck

Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
From: herman@sgl.ists.ca (Herman Tan)
Subject: Amplifier system to drive upto 40 headphones
Organization: Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science
Date:  6 Jan 93 18:51:54 GMT

Does anyone have any suggestion to my problem:

 In an organization, we have to provide a translation to approximately
 40 people. At the moment, we are using a single low-cost amplifier
 to drive about 20 stereo audio headphones via a passive box.  This box
 basically provides parallel output of the amplifier output. Major problems
 are: signal drop  is unacceptable at far end of the extension cable,
 and cabling is also a mesh.
 
I understand if I keep adding the headphones in parallel, eventually it will
overload the amplifier.  Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! Does
anyone know any low-cost wireless headphone system for this application?

Herman Tan