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From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: RASCALS (with a spoiler or 2)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:27:40 GMT
Organization: Society for Anarchic Totalitarianism
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In article <BxFsE8.BB1@unccsun.uncc.edu> James A Grizzard,
jagrizza@uncc.edu writes:




















>*  ANOTHER transporter accident?? please!

Barkley was right!!!! Phooey on you, Geordi. :-)

>*  Why couldn't picard regain controll of the computer himself??

Two reasons: 1) Voice print no longer matched adult Picard's.
             2) Would _you_ make it possible for some kids in the
schoolroom to use their computers to gain control of the ship?

>*  Why wasn't riker taken to the planet??  why weren't the kids taken to
the
>   planet??  surely there could have been _some_ use for the kids in that
>   operation...

Riker was the only one who could restore computer command functions. The
kids were probably hostages for the adults.

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com
Disclaimer: Some Martians landed and stole my opinions. So if these
opinions sound like they're coming from Mars, that's why.
From: bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (B. Jellinek)
Subject: STVII: Kill Kirk !
Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:26:17 GMT

the subject says it all:

i feel that kirk character has failed to grow old with dignity. since
STIII i can only pity him. just think of the beginning of STV, where
he tries to climb that rock. it's really just sad.

so my proposal is: kill him off. Let him die like a hero.
make it better than Ripley in Alien 3. better than T2. better than Kahn.
Then let Spock speak at the burial. 

and then write 'James S. Kirk' on his grave, to confuse the Trekkers ! ;-)


you heard what I said, now flame me !

    Brigitte

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From: barry@seas.smu.edu (Robert Barry)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Rescals"
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:16 GMT

In article <rawdon.721347375@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>I was wondering about this, but I can see reason for it.  If RIKER is the
>one who locked out the command functions, then only RIKER can reinstate
>them.  That way they don't have several officers who can reinstate them
>trying to second-guess each other without being able to confer (which is
>a strong possibility).
>
>Now, you could easily argue that ANYONE with authority to lock them out
>should be able to turn them back on.  But I don't see that one is necessarily
>better than the other, except in specific situations (which couldn't be
>guessed at beforehand for any individual ship).
>
>-- 
>Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

How is this for an answer: the computer is voice activated but Picard's 
voice was now that of a pre-pubescent.  The computer probably hadn't 
been made aware that this young kid was actually captain of the ship.
Since his voice didn't match the computer record - the computer would 
ignore his command as easily as the Ferengi.

Just an idea (no flames - either you agree or not)

Robert
From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts on "Rascals" (Spoilers)
Keywords: SPOILER
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:34:20 GMT
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In article <19045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>No number ratings, just a few thoughts about the show.

SPOILERS












>Overall my wife and I found this enjoyable (unlike many of the
[blah...blah...blah...I liked it too...]
>
>The biggest blooper we saw in the show was at the end, when young
>Picard went through the transporter and re-emerged as old Picard,
>to be consistent with the first transformation, Picard's uniform 
>should have burst at the seams. In other words, when they were
>changed into kids, they were still wearing grown-up uniforms, but
>when Picard changed into a grownup again, his uniform changed. This
>obviously saves Picard's (and Patrick Stewart's) dignity (can you
>picture him appearing wearing just the tatters of a uniform which
>he has exploded out of?), but it is a major inconsistency.

Look again.  The young Pic has changed into a big uniform.

[blah...blah...blah...]
>
>Richard Darsie
>darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells)
Subject: Re: KAHN's last name?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:50:18 GMT

...the Kahn Noonian Singh that led the Eugenics Wars on Terra is the
same Kahn featured in the Original Series, Space Seed, as well as the
second movie. Remember, he's a genetically engineered superman who
could live much longer than normal humans.

As for any relationship between him and Dr. Noonian Soong, I very much
doubt it. =)

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:27:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov6.012425.13371@polari> thespis@polari.online.com writes:
>
>In the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" (title corrections 
>grudgingly welcome) in which the primitive people think that our
>favorite CO is The Picard, a deity, didn't Picard vehemently make the
>point that religion was just a nasty superstition which these nice
>people could well do without?

Hmm. Leaping into this discussion rather late, the way I
interpreted that was they had moved past the stage where religion
is used as a tool of social control. Ie, no more shamans,
televangelists, etc. They were proto-vulcans, tho, and even
Vulcans had a deity (didn't they? STV:TFF).

And on the larger topic, I think that applies to the 24th century
federation as a whole - noone imposes their beliefs or ideas upon
anyone else (like the Prime Directive :). Those who chose a
religion are free to do so, and it becomes an even more personal
thing - people who share beliefs have something very special with
each other. And those who don't chose a religion, or chose any
belief or non-belief system, are not criticized by their peers.

This leads to some interesting ideas. From what Ro Laren has told
us, the Bajorans are 'still' into a more organized belief system.
Ro herself dismisses it ('The Next Phase'). With the upcoming
nitty-gritty Deep Space Nine series, we may see what happens when
'bouncy happy Feds' meet a Bajoran holo-vangelist. :)

Another thought - someone becomes friends with Data, and
accidentally 'converts' him. This would doubtless have to be a
logically justifiable belief system, but then many are, at least
in part. Unfortunately, Data is a tad naive about things, and
ends up living the religion. The ship is endangered, and Data is
needed to save the ship - but his newfound religious beliefs
prevent him. Picard shows Data that belief systems shouldn't
preclude one another, or anything else, like his duties to
Starfleet. Data reevaluates, and saves the ship, and internalizes
the religion. (Read: we never see it unless called for in a
future script.)

Joshua
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From: 900706s@ace.acadiau.ca (JAMES ALEXANDER STRUM)
Subject: ST:TNG Schedule
Summary: -
Keywords: -
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:37:09 GMT



The reason they begin to show repeats so soon is for two reasons.
One of which being that while all the other shows are still showing new 
episodes, Trek will probably keep most, if not all, of its following and 
then when the other shows finish with the new episodes and start on reruns, 
Trek still has new episodes to attract more new followers (of the show).
The second reason is for people who may have missed a show or two in there 
somewhere and they show the reruns so that those people don't have to wait 
until the end of the season to see the repeats. IMO.

				    	Peace and Long Life,
						
						J. Strum

 
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From: pjb@cci632.cci.com (Phil Busardo)
Subject: Re: Rascals and Picard's Heart
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.052929.11208@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> howes@cat16.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.232729.17286@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>>Wait a minute.
>>
>>It's already well-established that Picard has an artificial heart (ie,
>>"Samaritan Snare." I don't care what the technobabble explanation for the
>>crew getting younger is; if it's an artificial heart (ie, not organic) it
>>could not have its RNA/RVN vanish to make it younger! Yes, its YATI time -
>>if logic was applicable to this episode, Picard should be dead (or at
>>least writhing on the floor of heart failure as it is now too large for his
>>body cavity and has displaced several vital organs)..
>
>Wait a minute, in Samaratin Snare it was stated that Picard has a 
>Parthenogenic Implant. From what little biology I know this implies that 
>cell samples were taken from Picard and grown into a new heart (I believe
>Parthenogenic tranlates roughly into Sexless Creation-- gee, I knew
>reading the Dragons of Eden would come in useful some day.)
>
No way.  I saw that episode and they show the heart.  It's
metal and plastic alright (or whatever).

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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:05:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.134630.4589@hellgate.utah.edu>, jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:

> Come on, guys.  No more malfunctioning holodecks, no more transporter
> accidents, no more omnipotent aliens, no more possessed counselors.

Absolutely.  The "Scotty" use of the tranporter was interesting.
Unfortunately, it came on the heels of the "Barkley" use of the transporter
and is followed by the "Incredible shrinking Crew" use of the transporter
as a plot.  Great Jumping Klingons!  You'd think they'd get a clue!  One
tranporter "accident" per SERIES is enough.

The holodeck plots were worn out in a similar fashion.  Of course the
fact the tranporter exists and is now used for "point to point" transport
in the 24th century, screws up the "trapped in the holodeck" plots.  One
holodeck episode per SERIES is FAR MORE than enough.

The omnipotent ANYTHING alwasy WAS a bad idea.  I can't believe that they led
with that one.  Just ask the producers of SUPERMAN comics why an omnipotent
character is bad for a storyline.

The possesed counselors seems original by comparison!  I'm sure it's just
used as a vehicle to get her into a flimsy nighty. ;-)

> Unfortunately, I predict that this slump will simply end with the
> demise of TNG.

I'm not sure that they care!

Terry
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:48:22 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov6.005917.126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>
>I'm beginning to think maybe it's time to create rec.arts.startrek.whiners.
>
Or at least set some standards for subject lines.. NEG for negative posts and
POS for positive ones... maybe even WHN for whining ones.  I generally try to
avoid the "Star Trek this season sucks" posts because I don't usually agree.
Granted, it has some weak episodes, but nothing can be as bad as the first
seven episodes.

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "True Q"
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:21:48 GMT

In article <92310.121053IO20084@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20084@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
|One question -- If you think TNG is so uninspired, why do you watch it and
|take the trouble to grade the episodes and all that.  I mean, they show
|TOS in syndication on just about every station in the world, so why not
|just watch that if you think it's so much better?
|
|No flame, just a question.

	A couple of reasons:

	a)  There's not much SF on television nowadays; it's pretty much TNG
and Quantum Leap.

	b)  It's on when I'm either cooking dinner or eating it, so I really
can't get anything productive done at the time anyway.

	c)  Peer pressure.  Everyone I know watches it, and when they're
talking about it I want to be part of the discussion.  Doubly so when you
take into account that I run a SF/F discussion base on a local BBS.

	None of this means I have to excuse its flaws.


Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
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From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: I Borg{==}Vendetta
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.220354.17360@edsi.plexus.COM> chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi) writes:
>bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk writes:
                        <stuff deleted>

> Vendetta would make one heck of a
>movie IMHO, but it may be a little late for that at this point.  A lot
>of things were "dated" in the book, but I suppose it could be brought up
>to date without much problem.
>-- 
 I hope they do this, the idea I recall has been tossed around on the next
before so I'm not going to waste any more bandwith talking about it. I they
chose to make a TNG movie I hope they choose this one and do it right.

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From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ** SPOILERS ** Rascals -- the new all-time trek low
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:03:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

I agree completely. Totally. Unequivically (sp?). 

The big-E was wasted by two BOPs... the transporter was misused (by the 
writers)... Alexander was there... Troi's hair is still rediculous...


The only good thing was Riker's explanation of how the computer worked. I liked
that. Could anyone please post the text?

D-   IMHO
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Rescals"
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.224318.14921@eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
> 
>     The plot wasn't really that good though they got pretty good children
> to act the parts.   Guinan's younger self, and Ro's younger self seemed the
> most realistic, then Keiko, then Picard.   Physically, the person who
> played young Keiko didn't look that much like Keiko, and neither did
> young Picard.   Still, two out of four ain't bad. 
> 
> 
> --
> Charles Lin
> clin@eng.umd.edu
> 
     Fans of the original GOLD KEY Star Trek comics should have thought of
their comic collection immediately when they saw this MOST EXCELLENT episode.

     That's right: in this comic, the entire ST:TOS crew is getting younger
and younger (I forget this issue, don't flame me on details). Someone up
at that very ORIGINAL place Paramount Studios must have read this and said:
all right, let's turn the ST:TNG crew into kiddies.

     BTW I loved Star Trek V. It really is a lot of fun, Kirk doesn't save
the Universe (but he did stop God, good point), Spock has a sense of humour,
and Row Row Row your boad becomes the new theme of the Star Trek universe.

     PS Classic Star Trek and Questor Tapes writer DC Fontana did Buck 
Rogers episodes for the much hated Glenn Larson. Check out THESE duds on
the SF network.

Live long and prosper (give in to your hate, Luke)
.
  


-- 

John P. LaRocque
4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
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From: yin@CS.ColoState.EDU (hwei yin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: REQUEST: Plot summaries
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:47:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I know that this must be an FAQ, but how do I get a listing of all Next
Generation episodes with (very) brief summaries of the plots?

Please email responses to yin@cs.colostate.edu.


Thanks a zillion.
From: jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clinton's Inauguration Speech
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:54:35 GMT
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In article <1d8qo5INNlt0@chnews.intel.com>, Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~ writes:

> 
> People, I am sure there is another forum, for politics....unless it is 24th
> century federation related politics...KEEP IT OUT OF HERE!!

Look dude, if you don't want to talk about politics don't post to alt.politics.bush
or alt.politics.libertarian.  As far as 24th century politics goes, I'm sure
the government would be libertarian way before then.

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From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart on Broadway - Question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:15:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <BxKLKE.FsF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.194409.2318@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes...
>>bdennen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
>>>Quite a while ago, I saw a post about Patrick Stewart doing "A Christmas
>>>Carol" on Broadway again this year. I sent in for tickets and have not 
>
>>Tickets don't go on sale until Nov. 21, but if you mail off your $45
>>and the date you want to go, they will mail you back the tickets.
>>The tickets, by mail order, telephone, or in person, will not be selected 
>>until Nov. 21, so if you haven't heard anything, don't worry.
>> 

>
>	Could someone please E-mail me where one sends away for the tickets?
>
>			Thanks    Jim




Me too!  Thanks!

Tim



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From: burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: recurring TNG plots
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:14:55 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Harvard University

bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP writes:
` 
`They seem
`to be especially pre-occupied with 19th and 20th century earth, e.g.
`when Data conjures up a comedian in the holodeck, he chooses a 20th
`century earth comic.
` 
This really is the golden age of stand-up comedy.
100 years ago, the economy and society didn't support many comedians;
in the time of Star Trek, people seem to be more interested in
participatory rather than passive entertainment (in keeping with
the words of the Shatner, who commanded us to Get A Life).

-- 
John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu)
        "Don't get mad at an elf."
From: v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
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Subject: Re: Is there any truth to the rumour.....?
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <g92n3258.65.721310346@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes...
>
IF this is true (big "if"), then surely there would have been something 
>said about it in the USA, and hence reported over on this directory.  That's 
>the first thing that makes me suspicious.  Unfortunately that's also the 
>last thing (hence the only reason I'm suspicious).
> 
>If anyone has any more info to show it to be false, which I think it is, 
>then please reply.  Thanks.

	I haven't heard ANYTHING  solid, BUT:
		I went to a 25th ann.  show  with both Shatner and Nimoy and
they practally said that they were both involved in "one more endeavor".
I couldn't believe that they would do another movie at the time because 6
just came out when they said it.

		Jim


> 
>All the best,
>Ryan.