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From: fracer@aix.rpi.edu (Roger Charles Frace)
Subject: xymox (clan of) discography
Summary: i need it
Keywords: send it to me, xymox
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:27:27 GMT

hello,
rather recently someone posted a xymox discography and other
related projects.
could someone please repost it or, even better, mail it
to me?
thanks much.
because erika wants to know,
rog


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    roger frace: fracer@rpi.edu               (suggestions for here)
From: cliffs@gaffa.East.Sun.COM (Cliff Skolnick)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:55:32 GMT
Organization: SMCC
NNTP-Posting-Host: gaffa

Without pain, life would be way to boring.  I honestly don't like being
happy for a too long a time and find myself subconciously manipulationg
my life so I get myself into unpleasent situtations.  These are situtations
which I should be able to ignore but find myself draw to them.  This makes
my life never boring, although often very unpleasing.

		Cliff
--
Cliff Skolnick | "One man's poison is another man's meat. One
cliffs@sun.com | man's agony another man's treat."
(716) 385-5049 | -- Bauhaus
I think. I am. | "If you sell out to play the game, you lose before you start."
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Goth-neophyte-intelligent-question list
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:24:48 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


Yeah get more Sisters: Floodland is the mildest album.
   First and Last and Always is good.
   Vision Thing is a heavy Rock album 'Kinda Poor'.

I can see why Love and Rockets wouldn't tickle your fancy.
I have 2 of their albums and they don't do a lot for me..
But Bauhaus are brilliant.

I started off liking Joy Division over 3 years ago.
None of my friends thought they were any good, and just criticised
that he couldn't sing. I quickly got all their albums and they still
blow me away.
From there I got the First Bauhaus album after hearing 'Dark Entries'.
So I quickly picked up as much Bauhaus as I could.
When I got the Love and Rockets after this I was disapointed. I felt it e 
was really weak after Bauhaus.
From there it was the Fields of the Nephilim. I got Dawnrazor about 2 
years ago. Now this was a pleasant change. The Sisters were OK and I like the early singles,
but I feel the albums are all a bit weak. I've seen them live twice and thought they were 
brill. Live is the only way to appreciate them.
Now Christian Death and Metallica are my new loves, though I still listen to all my
old favourites.
I'd advise all people who like any gothic music to get some Fields of the Nephilim.
Dawnrazor for harsh crunch.
Elizium for mild ecstacy ...
The Nephilim for something in between...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~                        "In Fear of Fear"
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"Death makes angels of us all and gives us wings
 where we had shoulders as smooth as ravens' claws.."          --Jim Morrison
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: looking for similar sister sounds
From: ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 05:47:32 GMT
Organization: Dis

That mertes-dude (mertes@vax.sonoma.edu) scrawls:
>Looking for similar sounds like sisters of mercy.. any good gothic 
>sound like that will do.. 
>

(Some of you heard this coming, didn'tcha?)  Try Fields Of The Nephilim.
They do have a vague resemblance to Sisters, except they have a live
drummer.  And the singer's gruffer.  For domestic stuff (U.S.), watch for
Dawnrazor and The Nephilim.  Dawnrazor's a more raw representation of the
band, while The Nephilim a more nicely-finished studio album.  If you like
that much, I can point you to their imports.
 
  --the Dragon
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: jasonk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jason Peter Korb)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus Discog & Human Drama Info Request
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.232439.1@cmcvx1.claremont.edu> rwatkins@cmcvx1.claremont.edu writes:
>A couple basic questions ---
>
>
>	Does anyone out there have a decent Bauhaus disography, 
>or know where I might be able to FTP one?
>
>	I recently picked up the newest (only?) CD by Human Drama, and I was 
>wondering if anyone out there had any information on the band. 
>
>
>
>
>----</>--- Ryan Watkins                     "But this one goes to 11."
>	   rwatkins@cmcvx.claremont.edu           -- Spinal Tap
>                                          
>aka VampLestat @ Fajita.ucdavis.edu 3000                             
>



...well now, i happen to be in possession of TWO human drama vinyl planar circles: "love hope sex dreams life (or something like that)" (an EP), and "feel", a full-length album.  musically johnny indovina and company are brilliant, but then he has to start singing...he's just a tad too whiny for me...

...fare thee well...

		^*^ satori
From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Do goth clubs exist in Toronto?
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:50:18 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Originator: thomas@Olympus.McRCIM.McGill.EDU


Not living in Toronto for a while I am out
of touch with the music/club scene. So are 
there any good goth/industrial clubs in 
Toronto (are there any nights particular 
nights that are happening)? 

Thanks

Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Subject: Re: Rough work on the Nephilim.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 22:44:53 GMT


>        And I'm dreaming of [Kthulthu]

I believe the spelling on that is Cthulhu.
Though I've seen it spelled differently in other places
I trust that H. P. Lovecraft has the correct one.

-- 
   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.com (Jackie Zucconi)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: World good or bad?
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:55:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.876XiB2w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


 My answer to this is actually just another question but here it goes:
I tend to take "goth" as meaning something closely associated with the 
Medieval Church and the feeling of it that dominated those times. The World 
can be a dark sinister place but also provides an ideal ground to try and 
make something (Gothic Cathedrals??) that transcend this and help attain a 
higher state. One doesn't necessarily have to view this in a Christian 
context but why are we here? Once that's figured out I think we could better 
answer the "is the world a worthwile place?" question. As time goes on I'll 
just build my own cathedral, filtering out the dreads of society, and 
perhaps amongst mortar and brick I'll find the answer...then I'll say 
whether Earth is good or not.
                                       --- Lionheart
P.S.
 not much of a help but there you have it.

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From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:52:26 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

life sucks--any questions? =)
From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,soc.men
Subject: Re: "Images of Violence Against Women" at Northeastern 4-14-92
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Followup-To: alt.censorship
Organization: The Piranha Club

In article <1992Apr11.140604.911@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>             There will also be a discussion of the anti-pornography
>         bill currently being considered in the Massachusetts
>         legislature and copies of the bill will be available.

The first Amendment says:
#Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
#or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or obridging the freedom
#of speech, or of the press, or the right of people peaceably to
#assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I know that Massachusetts liberals have a real problem understanding 
the meaning of "Congress shall make no law" and "freedom of speech," but
at least the Supreme Court has no liberals, so there is still a chance...
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Stopping vehement hate postings
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:31:25 GMT
 <MEGGIN.92Mar25082909@epas.utoronto.ca> <1992Mar28.083817.1@woods.ulowell.edu> <1992Apr5.075520.9846@wobble.uucp>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr5.075520.9846@wobble.uucp>, dlu@wobble.uucp (Doug Urner) writes:
> quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <MEGGIN.92Mar25082909@epas.utoronto.ca>, meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes:
> 
>>> For example, a worker for a weapons company does not have the
>>> freedom to discuss new technology with the Iranian ambassador, and
>>> no one has to right to promote hatred against an identifiable
>>> group.
> 
>>Umm... too very different issues here... the first is a case of
>>national security, and the second is not.
> 
> Well I guess we could debate what make a nation secure...  Anyway I
> have real trouble with "official secrets" -- seems that all too often
> what becomes secret is what embarrasses or threatens the powers that
> be.  Seems to me that in nations as well as computers there is little
> real secuity through obscurity.

	There's also the problem in the US of the classification of 
information that:
	1. Isn't produced by someone paid by the US government
	2. Isn't on the US government operations (i.e., isn't on the inner 
details of NORAD or something).
	The major example is cryptographic technology. The restrictions on 
export of such technology has already caused migration of cryptographic 
research to other countries, and still causes problems.
	I can (maybe) see classifying techniques to break codes, but not 
the codes themselves if the government isn't paying for the research (if 
they're paying for the research, then they have the right to say who gets 
the resulting information).
	-Allen
From: jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: MEDIA: "Counterspin" Campaign Memo by FAIR
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:26:48 GMT
Organization: Independence Industries, Los Angeles

In article <1992Apr2.033322.2809@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

> In article <217@ininx.UUCP> jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar) writes:

> >Can there ever be any justice in supplanting personal choice by collective
> >choice?

> I agree, this is a total bummer.  I'd like to exercise my personal
> choice to rape and pillage...

I assume your remark was meant sarcastically, and that you are usually a pretty
decent person.  Actually, it's been my experience that most people are pretty
decent and don't really want to rape and pillage.

However, a seductive idea has entered human consciousness in recent centuries
which causes many people to sometimes lose sight of their basic decency.  The
idea is called democratic political government.  In the secrecy of the polling
place, many leave their decency outside.  Here is where the real pillage occurs.
There is an organization headquartered in Washington, D.C. whose pillage by any
measure far exceeds that of any other person or organization ever before seen on
the face of the earth.

To rape or pillage a person is to use that person for a purpose to which he or
she has not consented.  Defense against lone individuals engaged in these crimes
is easy in comparison with defense against the organized collectives founded on
the secret ballot.

> Meanwhile, I think you need to get your head out of the Libertarian
> texts...

Please do not accuse me of being a Libertarian.  That word has these days been
preempted by people who actually VOTE for that most oppressive institution ever
devised by man, democratic political government, and sometimes even run for
office in it!  I am no Libertarian!
-- 
        Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
         ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:3386 alt.desert-storm:902
From: 00dclefevre@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.desert-storm
Subject: addenum 1
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:27:42 GMT


                       Iraqi Death Count Suppressed
        Census worker claims original numbers were too conservative
                             by W. DALE NELSON
                             Associated Press

     WASHINGTON - The Census Bureau tried to suppress politically
embarrassing information about Iraqi deaths from the Gulf War, the
demographer who compiled the statistics said Monday.
     Beth Osborne Daponte, who won her fight to keep her job in the
bureau's Center for International Research, said the bureau "was
effectively keeping the public ignorant of the full impact of the U.S.
actions in the Gulf area."
     It "tried to suppress and delay release of information that is
embarrassing to the current administration," she said.  "Politics, nota
concern to inform the public, governed the bureau's actions and writings,"
she said.
     "The bureau needs to be cleaned up," said Daponte.  "The personnel
responsible for the laps in judgement over the past three months should not
be allowed to retain positions and do the same to the next messenger who
bears bad news."
     She declined to name any names.
     Karen Wheeless, director of public affairs for the bureau, could not
immediately be reached for comment on Daponte's statements.
     Daponte earlier released to The Associated Press unclassified
estimates that 86,194 men, 39,612 women and 32,195 children died at the
hands of American-led coalition forces in the Gulf War, during domestic
rebellions that followed the war or from postwar disease and deprivation.
     The Census Bureau subsequently took issue with those figures and put
out estimates that were about 10 percent lower.  And, last month, it
severed her with a notice of proposed termination.  She appealed, and
received a letter on Friday saying the notice was being rescinded.
     Daponte said she plans to re-evaluate her finding and publish an
article in a professional journal, independently of her government work. 
She said the figures are likely to be "somewhat higher" than those reported
earlier.  
     "If you looked at the information available now you would realize that
the numbers we came up with in the fall were pretty conservative overall,"
Daponte said.
     Daponte met with reporters at the National Capitol Office of the
American Civil Liberties Union.
     "The political role of the Census Bureau must be reconsidered," she
said. "Barbara Bryant, the current head of the Census Bureau, is a
political appointee.  One might wonder why a statistical organization
assumed to be apolitical needs a political appointee to head it.
     "In recent months, the bureau has tried to make analysts off-limits to
the media," said Daponte.
     "The bureau proposes to have all information released and all
inquiries to go through the bureau's public information office, which is
run by a political appointee," she said.

- printed in the Ball State Daily News, 14 April 1992.

00DCLEFEV@VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Trademark Denial for Old Glory Condoms
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:33:01 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr11.135410.1530@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
> I think the relevent question here should be whether the U.S. flag can be used
> as a comercial trademark in the U.S.  I thought there were laws covering this;
> certain images such as the seal of the United States, local police insignia,
> etc. are just as proprietary as the "Coca-Cola" emblem and cannot be used
> without permission.
> 
> Printing a flag ON something is a slightly different issue; if Haynes sells
> flag T-shirts, they are not trying to register the flag as a trademark, they
> are selling flags (sort of).  I gather that this company is not being
> prohibited from manufacturing red, white, and blue condoms, they are being
> denied the use of the U.S. flag as their trademark.  Consider the flag to
> be a logo that is already "taken".
> 
	However, the denial was not (according to the original post) on 
those grounds; it was on the invalid one of "scandalize or shock the 
conscience of a substantial composite of the general public."
	-Allen
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: "Images of Violence Against Women" at Northea
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:50 MST  
Followup-To: alt.censorship
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Apr15.201437.17000@yang.earlham.edu>, allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes...
>In article <703008316@lear.cs.duke.edu>, gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr11.140604.911@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>>>             There will also be a discussion of the anti-pornography
>>>         bill currently being considered in the Massachusetts
>>>         legislature and copies of the bill will be available.
>> 
>> The first Amendment says:
>> #Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
>> #or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or obridging the freedom
>> #of speech, or of the press, or the right of people peaceably to
>> #assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
>> 
>> I know that Massachusetts liberals have a real problem understanding 
>> the meaning of "Congress shall make no law" and "freedom of speech," but
>> at least the Supreme Court has no liberals, so there is still a chance...
> 
>	Most authoritarian politicians (in which category I include most 
>(not all, most) non-Libertarian ones) seem not to understand this 
>provision. The Supreme Court has been regularly making unconstitutional 
>rulings against this provision for quite some time now; some of the worst 
>cases have been with a conservative Supreme Court.
>	-Allen

The Indianapolis anti-nude dancing ordinance is a case in point.
But it is worth noting that the federal appeals court struck down the
ordinance, it was then the Supreme Court which overturned the appeals
court.  And the judge who wrote the decision in the appeals court was
himself a conservative (though a fairly libertarian one), Richard Posner.
(Posner has a new book out in which he argues that most judicial
decisions on issues involving sex have been made in complete ignorance;
I believe the title is _Sex and Reason_.)

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: Censorship is our only defense against scumbags like you
Keywords: censorship
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:07:45 GMT

firman@torment.ugcs.caltech.edu (timothy firman) writes:

>  In recent years, hippie liberals, homsexuals and satanists have turned
>our whole society upside down.  They have spinelessly hid behind the 
>first amendment and have allowed the evils of our society such as 
>pornography and the devil's music, rock and roll to ruin the lives of out
>defenseless children.  You are all sick and i hope you burn in hell.

>Rev. Timothy Firman

What denomination are you? Most denominations would try to help those who
they THINK are sick (even though we all know homosexuality is genetic). If
you really believed homosexuals were sick in your own mind, you would 
hope they could get cured (even though they aren't sick in the first place). 
							
How nice of you to pass judgement on your fellow humans. The 10 
Comandments say that you shall believe in one and only one God. You are
acting like one yourself. Why don't you let God pass 
judgement on the homosexuals? After he does, I believe you will see most
of those homosexuals you hate up there in heaven (assuming you make it
up there yourself).

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."	---The Bible

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 In the 20 seconds we have left, could you tell us why?"
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: abreur@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: SOAPBOX Seeks Submissions - Submit!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:57:49 GMT

        The new and much ballyhooed journal of insight, SOAPBOX, is looking for
contributors!

        Essays, poetry, artwork, short fiction, and avant-garde material of
most
 any nature will be considered. Length of submissions should be dictated by the
subject matter. If you have something exceptional to say, we'll find the space 
for you to say it. On the other hand, exceptionally short pieces are easier to 
work with, and are thus greatly appreciated.
        Soapbox's "slant" is largely dependent on the submissions we receive 
from people like you. We're committed to a "fast and loose" editorial policy 
here at Soapbox HQ, so _please_ feel free to experiment.
        You can e-mail submissions to me (abreur@woods.ulowell.edu), or you can
use snail mail:

        Soapbox
        124 Walker St.
        Lowell, Ma 01854

        Please don't send originals, as the brains behind this publication are
prone to spilling coffee on anything clean. If you desperately need a
submission returned, send along a SASE.
	We hope to include a vast range of voices in Soapbox, so we look
forward to hearing yours. Thanks.
							-Richard AJ Abreu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship