From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Whites-the aristocracy of the South
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.231813.20024@cco.caltech.edu>, morphy@cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy) writes:
>casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>

>>>>3) Western Europe.  Does this include nations like Switzerland, Sweden, Poland, 
>>>>etc. who did not amass overseas colonies?  Does it include the Slavs and Greeks 
>>> 
>>>Sweden did have overseas colonies.
>
>>.. he says, ignoring the others like Switzerland and Germany who did not.
>>Sweden never colonized Africa or the Americas.  Maybe you mean the Vikings.
>
>I said Sweden did have overseas colonies. I've refuted your entire argument.
>Germany colonized what is now Namibia. I don't know what they're teaching you
>kids these days.

Swedes had colonies in North America and I think, though not suyre, in Africa
as well.  They maybe ought to be given a few points forgiven for being utterly
incompetent colonizers in North Am, though--New Sweden was down the 
Delaware from where Philadelphia was later founded.  They had a series of
comic "wars" with the Dutch, and later the English, in which nine men
from one fort would go to raid a fort upstream whicvh was controlling
trade with the Am. Indians, find it protected by five men, so they
would bail out, and one of the five might kill himself cleasning his musket or 
falling out of the fort...the nine men would then simply 
go upstream and build a newer fort, thereby taking over trade and winning
the "war."  The process repeated until the Dutch and the Swedes got tired of 
it all at which point Penn and the English came in and mopped up.
--Rich Rath

>
>>>Spain and Portugal were vastly enriched by the empires! They were fearsome
>>>economic and military powers in their brutal heyday. Their collapse was due to
>>>incompetent economic policies, not to "their empires".
>
>>..he says, ignoring the question about Italy.  Gee at least he acknowledges
>>(implicitly) for the first time that there is more to history than African
>>slavery.
>
>Italy brutally attacked Ethiopia. They conquered the north(Eritrea), but were
>crushed at the battle of Addowa(1880 or so). They enslaved the inhabitants and
>imposed apartheid and slavery. Furthermore, they drove a wedge between
>Eritreans and other peoples of the Horn by treacherous intruigues. They milked
>Eritrea dry starting from a time when Italy itself was barely a country!
>(NOt that it is much of a country now.)
>
>Not satisfied, these greedy racist Europeans attacked again in 1938/39, and
>conquered the bulk of Ethiopia, extending colonialism throughout the country.
>
>>"to say the least" ... "to say the least".  You got a stutter or something
>>Shakespeare?
>
>
>You keep repeating my words. I graciously acknowledge that imitation is the 
>sincerest compliment.
>
>>Again, though, a victory.  You acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the history
>>and achievements of half a continent can't be summed up in one sentence.  I'm
>>finally straightening you out.
>
>Not one sentence, one word:criminal.
>
>>Yes, I suppose it is hard to say whether it was, oh 85% or 90% instead.
>
>That's racist fantasizing. Prove it.
>
>>>It is much clearer that Europeans appropriated the fruit of other people's
>>>work, including their inventions.
>
>>Yeah, and the Russians invented the automobile too.  Reality-check time dude.
>
>Yes, and you've checked out into another dimension:The White-White Zone.
>
>>>>Oh I see.  Since you think this group exists purely for your enjoyment, maybe
>>>>we should change its name to alt.gratification.self.jones.murphy
>>> 
>>>Wow. A group devoted to my masturbation techniques.
>
>>Actually, quite an apt analogy for your postings.  Here, at least, you score a
>>point in verbal skills.
>
>Hey, what about manual dexterity??
>
>>>>You know Jones, from your attitude, you probably would have made a good slave
>>>>merchant.  I'm glad to see from your .sig that at least you've found the next
>>>>closest thing...
>>> 
>>>...Well, I'm a worthy descendant of slave merchants. And I think I've found my
>>>first cargo. C'mere, Dave baby...
>
>>Maybe it wouldn't be so bad...at least that way all my problems would be
>>somebody else's fault, right?
>
>Yeah, mine!:)
>Jones
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