HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:34:16 GMT

In article <1aq3r8INNum@agate.berkeley.edu>
     rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <MUFFY.92Oct5111818@remarque.berkeley.edu>
>      muffy@remarque.berkeley.ed>u (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>>so it was hard to tell how well that would generalize...*smile*.  I have
>>noticed, though, that there is still more apparent acceptance of female
>>bisexuals than male by the "straight" (if that word really applies to
>>BDSM people...*grin*) people.

   Perhaps.  I have noticed, however, that it's "harder" (for lack of a
better term) for us bisexual men to connect with motss partners we feel
comfortable with than it is for bisexual women.  It's been _my_
personal experience that, while gay men could care less if you're
bisexual, lesbians who are willfully open are able to "connect" with
bisexual women easier.

   The other thing, perhaps, is that my reputation as a bisexual is
very solid in my local community; Everyone spent the last two years
watching me fuck both a man and a woman, so... (in at least one case,
very literally _watch_...)

>Female bi's are hot.
>Male bi's are sick.

   *Gryn*  You've not met my current pursuits, the hottest bisexuals
I've ever met.  Male and Female, singly or as a package, you don't get
closer to earnest sexual volcanoes than these two... :-)

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Subject: Gay & Lesbian studies
Reply-To: jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:53:41 GMT


Well, I am taking a Special Studies in Literature (at the University of  
Washington, Seattle) course which covers gay & lesbian studies (sorry, no  
mention of bisexuality in the title or the syllabus but it might come up in  
discussion)  I just got back from it and it seems that it will be at least  
interesting, too much reading though.  I find it sort of disturbing that I'm  
the only bisexual male (at least I'm the only one who said so)  I should point  
out that there is quite a few bisexual females.  I don't know if gender is  
really a difference but I feel rather uncomfortable about it. It's hard to say  
what it will be like until later in the qtr.  I thought that people on soc.bi  
would be interested in knowing that a course is offered.  I'll keep you inform  
of what is going on if I think it would relate to this group.  

-- hugs --

btw - I'm really behind on my reading of soc.bi but it's nice that things have  
settled down.  
--
                     ____
                     \bi/     | I just close my eyes and I dream about...
john a wadlow         \/      | pretty boys and pretty girls.
jwad@milton.u.washington.edu  |    - Book of Love
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:13:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.181423.35542@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
|... but the attitude of "living for the sake of being alive" is one
|I just can't get my head around, it makes no sense to me.  In that
|situation, what are you throwing away?

   My life.  I'm fairly attached to my own self-awareness, and I'd
rather maintain it as long as possible. (Admittedly, most popular
religions state that you don't need to remain alive to keep your
self-awareness around, but, alas, I don't believe them.)

   And it doesn't matter one whit to me whether or not there's any
meaning to my life.  I wasn't consulted about it in the first place,
so I don't think I've any duty to make something of it.  I do what
I wish, and that's enough reason to live.


|Might we not even
|have a *duty* to die, when such would improve life for those around us,
|and when our own lives are of no further use?

  No, never.  Until the point where my life is of no use to me, it is
of use, and suggestions to the contrary are likely to recieve a helping
of acid-tipped tongue.


|If death were not such a potent force of fear, might we not more readily
|accept it when we grew tired of living, when there was nothing more for
|us to do?

   This camper doesn't particularly fear death (as long as I remain
alive until 9 December 1992), but won't accept the end of my existance
with any degree of good will.


|(I'm not sure what this has to do with soc.bi, but it's good stuff....)

  Think of it as, umm, an *intellectual round of e-flirting: ("So, what's
the nature of reality"  "Well, <verbage> .. ahh, fuck it! Wanna screw?")

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ The man with no email address.
		 \/
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: The man with no email address (rampant digression!)
Summary: Why orc can't answer mail
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.052020.20554@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
|Sorry 'bout the bandwidth, folks.  This is for Orc.
|
|:                 ____
|:   david parsons \bi/ The man with no email address.
|:                  \/
|
|Yuk. Is this true, David?  I've sent you a few notes at sybase - are
|those out of range of you?

  This may be true.  Mail to orc@sybase.com stopped dead last sunday
evening, and stayed dead until today (wednesday), and when I logged
in this afternoon (from Indianapolis, Indiana, after finishing a two-
day project in 4 hours) I saw a bunch of commentary from the systems
lab at sybase, plus a few messages from people I'd love to spend some
time distracting.  I've since replied to them.  Dunno if the mail got
out, or if any mail getting out will get back.

  I work for Sybase, so one would think it would be in everyone's best
interest if I could get email there.  However, your bet is as good as
mine about whether orc@sybase.com will work.  I've sent love letters
(of a sort; it's a mighty strange loveletter that consists mainly of
complaints about my Corporate Masters(tm) and alternate ways of getting
in touch with me) describing the few ways left that people can get
mail to me;  I'm placing bets on whether those messages will get out.


  (But what I really wonder is if postmaster@sybase looked at some of
the letters that are coming from abroad.  I didn't see any drool marks
on the email - at least not before I read it - so I think my privacy
is still secure.  Time will tell.)
                ____
  david parsons \bi/ for a frustrating time, call orc@sybase.com
		 \/  for a better time, try orc@pell.chi.il.us

I mentioned Sybase!  I work for Sybase, so it's disclaimer time:

  Only 1 part in 10 million of my posting can be taken as representing
the company that I own stock in.  Zero parts of however much of my
posting can be taken as representing the company that I call My
Corporate Masters(tm).  If you saw me at a client site, you'd understand.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Keywords: hello...
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:37:05 GMT

In article <dsuchy19.718260519@ursa> dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
>Hello.....
> After reading you guys for a few weeks now I've decided to [gulp] actually
> post something.  
>
> I hate public speaking and it was extremely difficult to type "world" a few
> moments ago, so please bear with me [grin]!  (I had to say "world" so a
> certain someone in Australia would notice that I posted....)  

I know that person aint me, but welcome anyway!!! :)  *SNUGGLE-HUGS!!!*

:) :) :)


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!! 
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.000359.24332@rational.com> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>
>
>I am actually just a sexual, no sillies ... not asexual but a Sexual.  I am
>not actually attracted to any gender, 

I've heard other folks say the same thing.

>or any person.  

But Iseult, what exactly does this mean?  I'm confused?

>I simply enjoy the
>occasional bit of sex.  It seems to have nothing to do with the gender or
>indeed the person. 
>
Say some more, this is hard for my tiny mind to grasp.

>So there you have it,
>Iseult.
>


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Soc.bi Meet in Ottawa
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:27:37 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)

In article <1992Sep28.153252.11906@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca 
(Brad Booth) writes:
>
> [the chow at Marble works]
>
>Dave didn't care for the decaf.

The waitress *said* it wasn't Sanka.  She even pretended that she had to
wait for it to "brew".  Didn't believe her for a second.  *ptooooey*

>Thanks to Elizabeth for organizing the event.  When and where's the next
>one? ;)

Yeah...thanks Slash! c(-8

>PS: Do we qualify as a bi hotspot now?? ;)

I've heard from several different sources that The Wa has the highest
concentration of GLBs in Canada...my ex-roomie once put it: "It's a
difficult place to be a (straight) woman."

DCXF

PS:  Hey Brad...does Brent remember me well enough to get me invited to
his next party?
-- 
 D.C.X. Ferguson            ____  ____  ____   "It is not difference which 
 grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca  \  /  \  /  \  /  immobilizes us, but silence. 
                             \/    \/    \/  And there are so many silences
 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                    to be broken." -Audre Lorde
From: zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept Manchester University

In article <2ad078bb@ThreeL.co.uk>, adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:
|> 
|> *pop!*  ...another muffin appears.

*Pounce* Hello there...

|> P.S., for those who were at Dave Berry's Edinburgh party, I was the one
|> with the longish dark hair, pink dungarees and a vague, happy look...

I remember the dungarees - and I *think* I know who was in them.  If you're
who I think you are, then you were also in Norwich, yes?  Pale
complexion, hair possibly curly, perhaps greying...  You shared a taxi
home with Matthew, Shari, and a love-struck me (hi Mike, <blush>)...

Is this twenty questions?  Sorry - I just like to know when I know someone.

Colin
(Too busy to speak English)

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
             	   ... I can't even *think* straight ...
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: "I Guess I'm not Straight Anymore"
Date: 4 Oct 1992 06:12:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

I'm at home, about to start compensating for about 36 hours without any
sleep, but had to write this first before the euphoria dissipated ...

Now, the above statement has been true for me for quite a long time now ...
well, not _that_ long ... but still, it's not something new to me or to
those who know me.  I didn't say it.  A friend of mine did.  Tonight.  On
the phone from Germany, on his 28th birthday.

It's, well, pretty cool.  Yet another example of how powerful the net can
be.  We've known each other for about a month and a half now, and when this
whole thing started, he was rather avidly straight ... well, as he said
tonight, not anymore.  It's a rather warm feeling to hear someone say that
... especially when you've had a direct involvement in the process (and sort
of are the reason why they decide they're not straight).  Rather nice,
really.  

I'll probably never meet him (on the other hand, that's what I said about
Mike), but still, to know that I had that kind of a positive effect on his
life makes life seems like a rather cool thing, really.  

Not to mention getting closer and closer, emotionally speaking, to my FSO,
getting even more emotionally involved, and realizing, "Wow ... she's so
utterly perfect to give my virginity to," at about the same time she
mentions that she wants it (well, and at about the same time I realized I'm
having fantasies about her carving her initials into my chest, but that
belongs in another newsgroup :) ) ... 

So, yeah ... life is definitely being positive, I suppose.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport         rsr@soda.berkeley.edu          bi-bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
               It's a great day to be a bisexual pervert.
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
From: jrk@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: soc.bi
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:17:04 GMT

In <1992Sep27.030737.26815@cl.cam.ac.uk>, crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>Do this properly, or UKnet censors might block it! Let's have
>SOC.bi.fluffy, please!
          
>This isn't actually such a silly idea - honest. A charter along the
>lines of "friendly, non-acrimonious, mutually-endearing and otherwise
>'fluffy' forum for discussion between bisexuals" would do nicely.

A mere charter isn't going to stop the Cretins and Phools invading.  One
solution would be moderation, but another might be automated moderation:
just pass the messages through a filter that scooshes honey and Nutrasweet
over everything (cf. jive).  Hmm, a filter like that would be useful to
have anyway...

--
Richard Kennaway     SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk               uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk
From: zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:45:15 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept Manchester University

In article <dv8qb1ps@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

|> 'fraid it's only the pseudo-Colin here, but linguam Latinam habeo, so:

Oh, such praise you heap upon me.  I fear, however, that I am unworthy, for
linguam Latinam non habeo.


|> 	If I should die, think only this of me;
|> 	That there's a corner of some foreign field
|> 	That is forever the Gilbert and Ellis Islands.

<titter>

God how I hate all this war-propoganda poetry!

|> 		"And are there Twinkies still for tea?"

Ooh, I hope so!

Colin

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
             	   ... I can't even *think* straight ...
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: *grin*
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:39:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.130934.24932@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>
>*Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-).
>
>Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
>*beam*

Nope.

I'm not gonna ask you.

I said NO!

Back, I say, back!

Oh... ok.... I guess... tell me - what happened last night?!


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:57:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

> Ok, here's what I could come up with.  I didn't find anything that
> directly addresses non-destructive expression of anger the way that
> the previously recommended _Dance of Anger_ does, but you could
> consider these supplementary reading.  (I learned how to deal with 
> anger (sort of) in therapy so I'm lacking in written references).

> Tao Te Ching
> Lao Tzu
>   Just had to throw this one in the list.

Ah, but which translation? The Jane English and Gia Fu Feng one is my fave.

Tanaqui 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:27:10 GMT

Hmm.  I seem to have made a Coe sandwich.  Yum!

In article <1992Sep30.235725.16758@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
[About my dislike for the time-honored ritual of dating]
|>[experimentally verifying bisexuality or not, with and without dating]
|
|First, let's make a distinction between "dating" and "dating".  There's
|"dating", as in seeing someone, or having a relationship, which i would 
|think Orc would not say sucks dead bunnies through a straw, and then there's
|"dating" as in going out on a date in the standard, middle-america sense.
|(or middle-other-countries too, i would assume)

   The "dating" == seeing someone or having a relationship is
wonderfully vague, and somewhat prone to misinterpretation.  I
have, in the past, been guilty of wanting to be able to say I'm in
a relationship, so have used "dating" as a euphemism for it, only
to be greeted with absolute panic at the thought.  I don't use it
anymore, for concern that this will happen again :-)  It's much
less prone to cause confusion to say, for example, that I'm seeing
you, or that I'm having a relationship with him(*), or whatever
(and, if it's the wrong thing to say, at least there's less room
for complete misinterpretation.)  Whatever the term used, it's very
nice.

   On the other hand, "dating" == going out on a conventional date
as immortalized by many awful sitcoms in US television history,
well, I think I've made enough comments about that particular
mating ritual.


| [much commentary saying that dating (definition 2) would be somewhat
|  stressful]
|I guess it must have a decent chance of
|success, though, or people would have given up on it, wouldn't they?

   If the purpose of the date is to arrange a mate-for-life(tm),
then all you've gotta do is succeed once.  You can go through a lot
of failures, but still hit the jackpot once.  (And if you desire
assistance, there are plenty of professional matchmakers out there
who will be happy to expedite such a thing, for a nominal fee.)

   I'd be interested in seeing how many polyamorous relationships
accumulated members via the mechanism of dates.


|I have always thought it might be amusing, once or twice, from an
|anthropological sense, but a date just doesn't seem like the best way
|to lead up to any sort of interaction, from a one-time fling to a
|long-term committment.

   No.  Beware.  There be monsters here.  Don't do it. You'll be *sorreee!

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ orc@pell.chi.il.us (email address of the week!)
		  \/

    (* names have been deleted to protect the innocent.  If they
       read this postscript, they know who they are.)
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:32:31 GMT
	<MUFFY.92Oct5111818@remarque.berkeley.edu>
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: savage hackers
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 11:18:18


In article <MUFFY.92Oct5111818@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>I have
>noticed, though, that there is still more apparent acceptance of female
>bisexuals than male by the "straight" (if that word really applies to
>BDSM people...*grin*) people.

  That's because it's a male fantasy... come into a room... see the two
(or more) women, covered with sweat and lime jello, waiting for a *real*
man to come and please them... (you see, it takes a real man to please a
woman, just as only men know how to *really* please another man.)

 -- d
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: vikki here for the first time
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:02:57 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   Apologia - I have (after a few days) not yet seen the followup I made
to this post, so I'm reposting some of it. Sorry for any redundancies!


nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>>I, too have seen the photos Joe Woodhouse was sent, in fact I think every 
>>person in Melbourne has seen them. Joe stops people on the corners and says 
>>"hey look at my beautiful photos." 

   [cough] 

   A *slight* exaggeration...


>>So rest assured Coe and Jennifer you're not getting an axe murde[rer]

   Um, this might give the wrong impression! Dear me.


>Is that an axe in your pocket, Joe, or... whatever.

   Nick, Nick...we settled this on Thursday. It is an *octopus*.

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)