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From: cq267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: VersaTerm
Date: 20 Dec 1992 04:27:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Fox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I'm interested in anyone's opinions, experiences, or factual knowldege
about VersaTerm and VersaTerm Pro from Synergy Software.  Some specific
questions follow. 

1.  What is the difference between the Pro and the regular version?  Is
it worth the extra $87 MacWarehouse charges?

2.  How does it compare in speed, ease-of-use, and features with other
communications packages, specifically ZTerm, which I am currently using.

3.  I believe either the comp.sys.mac.comm faq sheet or the
mac-tcp-primer on Sumex states that VersaTerm can handle SLIP and TCP
connections.  Is this true?  Does it require MacSLIP and/or MacTCP?  If
SLIP is possible, can you run other TCP programs like Fetch or Gopher,
or can you only run what comes with VersaTerm?  Finally, is the SLIP and
TCP stuff, if there, in the basic package as well as the Pro version?

Thanks for any help,
Jeremy Fox
cq267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
jfox@tstc.edu
A
Jeremy Fox	cq267@cleveland.Freenet.edu or jfox@tstc.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Greg Ferguson <rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: You get what you pay for? (Was Re: Eudora Support)
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:29:48 GMT

> Path:
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> From: stoll@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cliff Stoll)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
> Subject: Re: You get what you pay for? (Was Re: Eudora Support)
> Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:11:37 GMT
> Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
> Lines: 26
> Message-ID: <1ger7pINN949@agate.berkeley.edu>
> References: <19550.2B28D854@zeus.ieee.org>
<sdorner-121292182204@0.0.0.0>
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> 
> Well I downloaded Eudora, wrote the Navigation strings, and it works!
> 
> Talk about support -- Steve Dorner wrote five e-mail messages to me
> during the day.  This guy really stands behind his work!
> 

[some stuff deleted...]

> Was it worth it?  You Betcha!  Here is one happy astronomer.  
> Eudora works smoothly and happily.  I'm impressed and delighted:
> This is a superb software package.  
> 
> Thank you Steve Dorner, wherever you are.

Just hope that Cliff doesn't find about $0.75 difference in two of his
accounting packages after installing Eudora! :-)

Regards,

Greg

gregf@shaman.sps.mot.com
rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com
=========================================================
"Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window."
    -- Steve Wozniak
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From: blaise@dbmac.fdn.org (Blaise THAUVIN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Does any one have a phone number for the makers of uAccess
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 12:03:50 +0100 (MET)
Organization: Individual
Reply-To: blaise@dbmac.fdn.org (Blaise THAUVIN)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <6545@pdxgate.UUCP> (johnj@rigel.cs.pdx.edu), Tail Cat/Frodo Baggins writes:
> I found the following in the FAQ for this newsgroup. The only thing is: does
> anyone have a phone number for them?  Please respond by e-mail.
> 
>         -> uAccess, a commericial product (about $300) from Ice
>         Engineering (and the product from which uATerm and Termy were
>         derived) is a well-designed product that works well enough to
>         allow you to use your Macintosh as a Usenet node (if you have
>         enough disk space). uAccess supports the CTB and comes with a
>         terminal emulator. It was reviewed in the July, 1992 issue of
>         _UnixWorld_.
> 
> BITNET:    bcjj@psuorvm.bitnet
> INTERNET:  johnj@cs.pdx.edu
> UUCP:      sun!nosun!pdxgate!johnj
> 

Hi,

I use uAccess everyday: exellent product!

They have both phone and e-mail connections:

e-mail: time@ice.com or info@ice.com

phone: (313) 449 8288

s-mail: Ice Engineering
8840 Main street
Whitmore Lake
MI 48189

Hope this helps


Blaise


-------------------------------------
Blaise THAUVIN  94100 Saint-Maur   FRANCE
blaise@dbmac.fdn.org
From: boebel@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Rick Boebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Cheap Fax Modem
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:12:10 GMT
Organization: Freeman School of Business
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I have a friend who wants a fax machine for Christmas and I was
wondering if a MacPlus with some sort of cheap fax modem would
do the trick because I have a Plus that's being used as a door
stop right now.  MacWarehouse has a Zoom FaxModem for $99;  Are
these any good?  Can anyone recommend anything else, and/or
cheaper?  Thanks,  Rick Boebel
From: doner@Aero.org (John Doner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Smartcom II offer ?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:38:00 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: armadillo.aero.org

In article <6568.2b344b48@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
|> 
|> A VT100 (actually we emulate a 102) has 24 lines of 80 or 132 characters. You
|> can't have any more.
|> 
|> Certainly, by a change in programming, you could increase the number of lines
|> to anything you want (even larger than the screen), same for the number of
|> characters (to any reasonable limit).
|> 
|> The moral dilemma is this -- how is this VT102 emulation? You'd now be 
|> emulating a different terminal, not a VT102.

I'll answer with a question: Who cares?

I have never knowingly touched an actual vt102 terminal.  As far as 
I'm concerned, I'm using vt102 emulation only because the guy(s) who wrote the
terminal program thought he had to emulate SOMETHING.  Yes, I do occasionally run
into something that actually uses the screen editing commands.  I don't object,
but don't care much either.  But being able to get more lines, that's important.

NCSA Telnet, for one, allows you to change the number of lines.  With a unix system
on the other end, you have to make a corresponding change in the terminal parameters,
and in the TERMCAP environment variable if you want do things right.  And yet, the
program provides vt102 emulation, or so it claims.

I think you are taking your emulations too seriously.

John Doner	doner@aero.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Igor Livshits <igorl@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: where to buy Teleport/Gold?(quick plse)ease
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:40:33 GMT
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:40:37 GMT
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I just checked with MacConnection and they have one for $429. 
1-800-Mac-Lisa

Igor
_____
NCSA-UIUC,  e:igorl@uiuc.edu,  p:(217) 244-5606
From: monxing!patrick (Patrick Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Software for modem to send fax
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:18:25 EST
Organization: microTech Solutions
Reply-To: patrick@monxing.uniforum.qc.ca
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2

I bought a Zoom V.32turbo modem about year ago. Now, I would like to send
faxes. Is there software that can allow you to send fax on a regular modem (ie.
w/o fax capabilities). I thought I read somewhere that there is software out
there that can emulate the fax chip in a fax modem. Does anyone know?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Klaus P. Fechner <klaus@sparky.rad.med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: VersaTerm
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:32:06 EST
Organization: University of Michigan
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Does VT now include MacTCP 1.1.1?

In article <abelbeck.1075263957B@tigger.jvnc.net> 
Lonnie R. Abelbeck, abelbeck@tigger.jvnc.net writes:
>In Article <1h0so7INNn1j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
>cq267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Fox) wrote:
...
>
>Both VersaTerm and VersaTerm-PRO come bundled with the "VersaTilities"
>package which offers Telnet and FTP (CommToolbox tools), FTP Server
>cdev/INIT, SLIP for MacTCP and MacTCP itself... among other goodies.
>
...
>
>Lonnie
>Disclaimer: Author of VersaTerm, VersaTerm-PRO and VersaTilities.
>==============================
>+  Lonnie R. Abelbeck        +
>+  Abelbeck Software         +
>+  abelbeck@tigger.jvnc.net  +
>==============================
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe)
Subject: Supra Modem cable
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:16:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Is it possible to buy the cable separately, or make it?
I don't see the need for the whole macpac, just the cable.

Thanks
Tim
From: MIXTERHP@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (H. Perry Mixter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: ftp downloads
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:21:16 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alf.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec16.040629.4056@mixcom.com> Michael.Malloy writes:

-- If you download a mac file with a .hqx file name how do you read it. Does it
-- need to be decoded in some way. I am a novice on ftp so any help would be
-- welcome.
-- -- 
-- 
-- Michael.Malloy@mixcom.com
-- Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin         "Truth is a Virus"                           *                                          

You need to use one of the Stuffit programs, which will de-binhex the files. 
There is also a program at the archive sites called DeHQX, which is a drag and 
drop utility for de-hqxing files.

Best of all, try using "Fetch" a program from Dartmouth that automatically 
decodes hqx files during ftp download. You'll never look back. You can get fetch 
at any of the big archive sites, I believe.

Happy FTPing!

H. Perry Mixter
Director, Office of Cultural Affairs 
Appalachian State University
Boone, North Carolina  28608

Internet address: MIXTERHP@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Bitnet address: MIXTERHP@APPSTATE.BITNET
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Slow AppleShare 3.0
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:43:03 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info



    My office used to run AppleShare 2.0 on an SE/30 and it was fairly
responsive for LocalTalk. Recently we have upgraded to a Quadra 700 and
AppleShare 3.0, and now server access is about half of what it was
before. Has anybody else seen this? Is there something simple I'm
missing in the configuration of the server? Any help would be most
appreciated...


--
-Brian V. Hughes
	     "If you could care less, then why don't you?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Barry Cooper <bjc3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Using Zoom modems for ARA?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21: 12:18 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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In article <werner-141292095926@128.32.157.31> John Werner,
werner@soe.berkeley.edu writes:
>Thanks to all who answered my last question about whether it is feasible
to
>run MacTCP over ARA.  It looks like that's what I'm going to do.
>
>So now I'm looking for advice on which modems to buy.  The cheapest ones
>I've found are the Zoom VX 14.4bps V.32bis for $230 or so, without FAX
>capability.  Does anyone have any experience using these modems with
ARA? 
>The other choice seems to be the Supra modems, which are quite a bit more
>expensive, especially since there doesn't seem to be a non-Fax version.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.

 My personal experience using both Zoom and Supra modems was miserable. 
I just could not get them to connect at 14.4.  I eventually realized that
I could upgrade my USR HST modems to the new HST DS 14.4 Faxmodem and
have had virtually complete success (99% first time connects at 14.4).  I
would advise buying a high end modem if you can afford it.
Just my experience.
Barry Cooper
bjc3@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Piet Saslawsky <psaslaw@oc.com>
Subject: Re: Comm App with Programmable Buttons
Organization: Advanced Software Concepts
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:35:53 GMT

More powerful but more expensive is 5PM. You can create palettes with
graphic objects (i.e. buttons, icons, lists, etc?) and attach
HyperTalk-like scripts to sessions, palettes and objects.

A standard palette provides exactly what you want but, as a very basic
functionnality, you can create your own palette with different color
icons : by clicking on them, you send strings, function keys or control
characters.

$370 from Helios USA <helios@applelink.apple.com> and OpenConnect Systems
<snb@oc.com>.

Piet Saslawsky
+-------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Advanced Software Concepts (France) | Open Connect Systems (Dallas) |
| email: adv.soft@applelink.apple.com | email: psaslaw@oc.com         |
| voice: (33) 93 24 76 00             | voice: (214) 888 0658         |
+-------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
From: Michael_D._Murie@fourd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: hi-BBS
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:20:29 GMT
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS

Anyone using hi-BBS? I was wondering what you think of it?
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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Telnet disrupts File Sharing!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:37:54 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau29.ira.uka.de

I'm running NCSA Telnet 2.5 on System 7.0.1 with MacTCP 1.1 and have
File Sharing enabled. Now I notice that as long as Telnet is running,
AppleShare client accesses get delayed endlessly, usually until I quit
Telnet. Is this behaviour already known (or better yet, a fix for it
;-) ?

Olaf
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mfraase@mr.net (Michael Fraase)
Subject: Re: PowerBook Modem and MacSLIP?
Reply-To: mfraase@mr.net (Michael Fraase)
Organization: Arts & Farces
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:47:16 GMT

The administrator of the net I SLIP connect to uses a Global Village 
Powerport and MacSLIP for a V.32bis connection. I don't know if he uses it 
for ARA connections or not.

--
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Saint Paul, Minnesota 55116      |  MCI Mail: mfraase
From: werner@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Smartcom II offer ?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 23:24:01 GMT
Organization: School of Education, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.soe.berkeley.edu

In article <6568.2b344b48@hayes.com>, Bill Coleman writes:
> The moral dilemma is this -- how is this VT102 emulation? You'd now be 
> emulating a different terminal, not a VT102.

I'll second John Doner's "Who cares?"  Most Unix programs can deal
with a "vt102" that has extra lines.  Gnu Emacs is one example.  When
I use NCSA Telnet to log in to a Unix machine, the first thing I do is
resize the window and tell the Unix system about it.  This way I can
have nice huge Emacs windows.  Who care if it's not true VT102
emulation?  It's still useful.

-- 
John Werner                        werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: George Toye <toye@sunrise.stanford.edu>
Subject: Apple's "dnr.c"
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:08:43 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:08:55 GMT

Where might I find Apple's "dnr.c" that is described in the 
source code for Eudora?  

	-George
From: frankc@skat.usc.edu (Frank Callaham III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Sys 7.1 does NOT require MacX 1.2
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:49:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu> writes:

>I've seen some discussion here about needing to upgrade to MacX 1.2
>in order to use Sys 7.1.  According to Compatibility Checker 2.0, my
>MacX 1.1.7 IS compatible with Sys 7.1.

>I just upgraded to 7.1 and am running MacX 1.1.7 at the moment although
>I haven't really used it much yet.  If there is some incompatibility
>please let me know.
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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>        "The number you have dialed is imaginary.
>                    Rotate phone 90 degrees and try again."

The only problem I've seen is adding a new host when defining a new
command. ie - Select 'New Command' from the Remote menu, then type the
command.  When you click on the host button, the command window closes
and the command is not defined.

One way around this is to create the new command by editing an exiting
command - as long as it's going to the same host.

Frank Callaham
University of Southern California
Microcomputer Support
frankc@skat.usc.edu
These are my opinions not USC's.  I just happen to work there...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (C. G. Albone)
Subject: SLIP & NCSA telnet
Followup-To: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:27:48 GMT

Hello *,

	I remember reading a couple of months back that
NCSA telnet for the mac supported slip, or at least some
incarnation of it. I think there was a problem with the
newest version entirely breaking slip or something and that
it was some beta version that did work with it. Could some
kind soul tell me if I am suffering delusions, and if I am
not could someone either direct me to a working version.
I have seen references and read reviews about the various
commercial products available (versaterm, MacSLIP etc), but
as I am a poor student and interested in experiementing with
SLIP on a unix box that i have beside my mac, it is not
worth my while buying them...

replies by email please.

thanx
chris.
From: mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Hermes Serial Numbers
Summary: It matters
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:37:39 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

A few points:

 - Has anyone ever verified this Hermes back door?  I would be very interested
   in hearing Frank Price's response to the allegation.

 - While no one seems to have been able to determine whether distributing
   serial numbers is illegal or just unethical, credit card fraud is
   clearly illegal, and you could be prosecuted merely for knowing that
   someone committed a crime without having reported it, even if you did
   not directly take part in it.

 - If, as you say, you merely posted the serial numbers so people with
   Hermes 1.9 who thought they were ripped off by Price could upgrade for
   free to 2.0 (since they thought all future upgrades would be free), then
   why did you post serial numbers for Hermes 1.9?

 - If Frank Price has committed any crimes, as you imply, then you or anyone
   else can feel free to file a suit against him or take him to court.

 - What makes you think you posted anonymously?  You left plenty of trails
   behind you that would be simple game for any prosecutor to follow.

 - If someone sent Price a check and got no acknowledgement of receipt after
   two months, then this person could have legally sued Price.

 - Finally, your attitude of "WHAT DOES IT MATTER!" could slap you across
   the face.  That you posted serial numbers doesn't matter to me, or most
   people on the net.  That you stated that credit card fraud was used to
   obtain the numbers doesn't matter to me, but I'm sure that matters to
   many organizations tasked with researching credit card fraud.  That you
   stated you posted anonymously doesn't matter to me, but seems like an
   invitation for someone to try to track you down.  Ultimately, it might
   matter to you.

* Disclaimer: I speak on behalf of myself and not my employer.
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP (re: not included in system)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:25:33 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine
NNTP-Posting-Host: mchip00.med.nyu.edu

weverka@csn.org (Robert T. Weverka) writes:
>I bought a Quadra with "plug and play" ethernet.  Unfortunately
>I had to spend another $100 for an external plug converter.

	I've been really dumping on Apple lately for their MacTCP policy, I
guess it's only fair that I come to their defense on this one.

	What you paid for is not an "external plug converer".  What you paid
for is an external tranciever, with an integral, non-standard, but still
very clever AUI cable attached to it.  Considering that if you went to
Cabletron or Inmac or Black Box to buy a tranciever, you would pay twice
that, if not more, I don't think it's such a bad deal.  Apple might be a
little bit more explicit in their sales literature that the tranciever is
not included, but I've never bought an ether widget that came with a
xciever (modulo the on-board xciever many thin-ether cards come with), so
it's not really clear Apple's doing wrong by leaving this warning out.

	When you think about it, Apple has no way of knowing if you have
thick, thin, or twisted pair wiring, so they have no way of knowing which
type of xciever to include.

	And, yes, while it's nice to have an on-board xciever (i.e. a thin
ether card with a BNC connector on the back), in most instances, mechanical
clearances in the back of the machine tend to lead to situations where the
thin cables coming out are badly stressed or turned around tight radii,
which is likely to lead to connector failure.  I'm generally pretty pissed
at companies that ignore standards for things like connectors, but in this
case, the "standard" AUI connector is such a disaster, and the Apple version
is so clever, I don't really have any objection.

-- 
Roy Smith <roy@nyu.edu>
Hippocrates Project, Department of Microbiology, Coles 202
NYU School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
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