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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: steelers vs bills player match up
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:05:10 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <7JAN93.00553547@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>In a previous article, rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck) wrote:
>>Pittsburgh played the Bills in Buffalo this season with the
>>Bills winning.  My question is what players will be in this
>>playoff game that did not play in the last meeting.
>> 
>>Bills:
>>1. Kelly is out this time.
>>    
>I'm not positive about that, but it's beginning to look that way.

It was announced Monday that Reich would start. Kelly maybe physically
ready by Saturday, but won't have enough practice time to play. If the
Bills win, Kelly will be ready for the AFC Championship game.

>> 
>>Steelers:
>>1. Someone was on a drug suspension the last time (Green)?
>> 
>Nope, Green's last game before the suspension was against Buffalo. He's
>back and played against Cleveland in the regular-season closer. 
>
>>  Any other differences?
>
>As far as I can recall, the teams were generally 100% healthy in the last 
>game. The word may still be out on Cornelius Bennett, who was in street 
>clothes last Sunday. 

Cornelius Bennett practiced Tuesday, although Thurman Thomas did not.
Thomas was expected to practice today and be ready for the game, as were
Bennett and cornerback Kirby Jackson.

>
>-		
>Bart "Webb" Tilney	
>Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:18:08 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan5.174153.29295@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <1ibh1kINNe69@crcnis1.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>>                        If NE keeps the first pick, I would predict they
>>would pick a defensive player.  I hope they pick Marvin Jones, but would be
>>happy with Curry or Copeland from Alabama.  Their dire needs IMHO are the
>>offensive line and WRs, and there isn't anybody worth wasting a #1 pick in
>>either of those categories.
>
>Whoa!  Lincoln Kennedy, the OT from Washington could well be the first
>offensive player taken if this mad dash for the QBs doesn't happen.  I
>see him going in the top six picks.  Granted, I don't see any wideouts
>going in the top six picks at this point,  but guys like Lamar Thomas,
>Qadry Ismail, O. J. McDuffie, and Horace Copeland will get serious at-
>tention later in the round.

And if the suspicions are correct, Sean Dawkins of Cal will announce today
he is coming out, and Conway from USC has already announced.

I have seen Lincoln Kennedy play 3 times this year and I really do not see
what all the fuss is about. Yes he is big(about 320 and about 20 pounds
of it is excess), but I did not see him as being dominant. he is good,
but having a slight weight problem, and having scouts question his killer
instinct or lack thereof I have to wonder about him. I think the best players
in this draft will be Marvin Jones, Eric Curry and Deon Figures. I suspect
Bledsoe and Mirer will go higher than they should because they are QBs,
and Hearst and Faulk(if he comes out) might move up there too.

I am really hoping New England and Seattle go for offense so that Phoenix
will get either Jones or Curry.

I am not that impressed with Marcus Buckley from A&M, I would say the next
best LB after Jones is Jessie Armstead from Miami, but everybody is afraid
he is too small and had a knee problem, so he might be a sleeper. Suddenly
this is looking like a deep draft with all the underclassmen announcing
they will come out.

Early guess
1)New England- Drew Bledsoe WSU
2)Seattle    -Lincoln Kennedy or Garrison Hearst
3)NY Jets    -Eric Curry Alabama(maybe Marvin Jones but I think they need DL)
4)Phoenix    - Marvin Jones FSU or Curry if Jones is gone.

After that its anybodys guess.




Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"Chapeau means hat, oeuf means egg, its as if those French have a different 
word for everything!" 
                                        Steve Martin
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 14:21:47 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
 <1993Jan7.203816.16590@PacBell.COM> <C0I5Ev.JIn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

Maybe the niners should dock Joe 15k for "Unsportsman like conduct!"
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Who would win this game?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:50:51 GMT

In article <16B53C6EC.PDUNN@kentvm.kent.edu> PDUNN@kentvm.kent.edu writes:

>We would like to solicit opinions on the following hypothetical game.
>Suppose that the best College Football team (This year Alabama) played
>the worst Professional Team..say the Pats.

Oh, come on -- this is bordering on absurd.  Did you get a close look
at the Bama QB?  Any NFL team would see in about three snaps that he
can't throw, and the Tide's OL would spend the rest of the day doing
a collective moonwalk.  Their RB would be lucky to make the huddle on
most plays, the recievers would be shredded by halftime and the line-
backers would have footprints up one side and down the other.

In modern NFL history (the past 40 years) I can't imagine a college
team that could hang with the big boys.  No school has the talent
throughout to even be competitive.  In rare cases, some outstanding
squads have had units that might have been OK, such as the last 
Southern Cal champion team that had three OL members drafted in the
first round, but an entire team?  Nevah.  The vast majority of NCAA
superstars are merely decent in the NFL.  Many can't even make it at
all -- think of the Heisman winners of the past 20 years that have 
flamed out.

As hard as it is for some to believe, there's a quantum step up from
even the best college team to the dregs of the NFL.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Posting Up to minute game status: A positive twist
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:16:35 GMT
Organization: Go Big or Go Home

In article <1993Jan4.083607.13649@data-io.com> dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>As a caveat, those posts have always kind of annoyed my in the past,
>but now I see that they do serve a purpose for the unfortunate few
>that may not be able to watch or listen, for whatever reason.

It's not so much a matter of annoyance or non-annoyance as it is
Usenet etiquette and technical practicality.  Long-standing Usenet
etiquette (I can provide a pointer to the chapter and verse in
news.announce.newusers, if you'd like) states that attempts to
post in "realtime" are not in order.   The technical side is that
very, very few sites will see updates in the timely fashion intended:
for instance, the news server here is a well-connected host 
whose Internet link is over a T-3 line; it's also topologically
close to the site where the fellow posting the Bills updates lives.
However, none of his posts reached here until several hours after
the game was over; I'd bet that none of them reached Europe until
Monday morning.

If somebody wants to attempt to do real-time coverage of events
such as these, Mail (provided it doesn't rely on UUCP links
or other slower forms of transport) or IRC are much better suited
to the task than news.

---Rsk
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: POOF! The carriage turn back into a PUMKIN!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:47:00 GMT

In article <1isi6hINNjg3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
>
>In article <29710141@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>I'm not a 'Fin fan and didn't even see that much of the game, but from
>>what I saw it looked like San Diego finally played down to their
>>potential, especially Humphries.  I had suspected the Chargers were
>>overrated and taking advantage of a fifth place schedule.
>
>I think also that the Chargers played one of their worst games of the season.
>Looked as though last years Charger team could have given them a run for their
>money yesterday.  Humphreys especially had a really off day.
>
>>I hope this doesn't sound like *too* much of a flame - S. D. made a
>>great improvement this year regardless of their schedule and should be
>>congratulated.  But apparently they're not quite ready yet.
>>
>>- Gary Rosen
>
>--DJD
>
Just to compare the 49ers who happened to have played ONE of their alltime
worst games against the Redskins. Result: they still WON! That is the
major reason I feel the Niners have an edge over the Cowboys. Additionally,
Young had 73 yards rushing in the slop. I think all things being even,
Young gives the Niners the edge! This is pure speculation, but I don't
believe Aikman would have survived such a disastrous game performance
and won the game.
-- 
"A cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man,
and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher
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From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS -----> HAMISH
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu
Keywords: madden, football


In article <1993Jan8.172334.24354@ncsu.edu> rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN) writes:
>
>  I agree One Hundred percent.  I think alot of times Madden
>is trying to have fun and some uptight people take it way to
>seriously.  COmeone people lighten up it's only a game *grin*.
>  
................................ I think alot of times Hamish
is trying to have fun and some uptight people take it way to
seriously.  COmeone people lighten up it's only a game *grin*.

Oh but does Hamish not have you going!!!!  I enjoy both sports (soccer more
of course) so im just sitting here laughing at all this crap.  I will take
the advice of one and write Hamish, and thank him.

---DJD (pele@cats.ucsc.edu)
The BOLT IS BACK!!!
GO DERBY COUNTY!!!!
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: God did Young SUCK!
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:46:29 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <athos-100193004338@kip2-46.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>Man, did Steve Young suck today in the game against the Redskins:
>* He flung the ball high in the air.  That was very strange.

When Young lost the handle on that pass, everyone where I was
watching the game said "Young pulled a Dave Kreig on that play."

You have to admit, that did look a lot like vintage Dave "no hands"
Kreig.


KB

From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:29:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Still say Montana shouldn't replace Humpheries in SD?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Before we get carried away here lets remember that Friez is the SD QB.  Stan
came in due to injury.  The big question is does Friez lose the job due to
his injury?

In my opinion it won't much matter.  SD plays a 1st place schedule next
year and I predict they won't make the playoffs.  With free agancy looming
the Raiders will buy a quality QB (The Scud's contract is up thank God) and
will once again be the team to beat in the AFC West.

Don Boell
"Just win baby"

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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:07:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.205706.29564@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>In article <1ise3eINNfof@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>>In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>> >What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
>> >he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
>> >the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
>> >guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
>> >Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
>> >such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
>> >free agency.
>>
>>This will be known as the Al Davis rule. What a crock of shit, this move 
>
>Don't let your hatred of Davis blind you. Art Rooney of the Steelers asked to 
>have it put in the contract according to the S.F. Chronicle on sunday. It is 
>true that Al Davis is involved in the negotiating. 
>
>As a extra comment, the Chronicle said that it will be "known as the Rooney
>rule."
>
>>was done to keep Reggie White from Dallas and San Fran. If you notice on 
>>the post game show on NBC Davis did mention that the Cowboys and Niners 
>>could not get Reggie but his beloved asswipes the Raiders could. It's ok, 
>>Dallas wouldn't give up the money our disrupt the defense we have for him.
>>It really is sad that this washed up old acidhead from the 60's can still 
>>affect the rules of the game in the 90's.
>>
>>Al Davis, get a life, and get the hell out of the NFL !
>>Nothing personal raiders fans but Al Davis SUCKS.
>
>Go ahead. Kick him while he's done. He likes it.
                               ^^^^ Sorry, I meant down.
>
>>
>>tim
>
>
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas Blindness (was Re: Dallas \*rookies\*, a synops\*ice\*)
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:38:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>Agreed here, too, pointing out the Cowboys' glaring weakness: linebackers.
>We need to get Reggie White, or *somebody* off the free agency list, and
>move Haley back to linebacker, where I think he would be even more effective.
>
>Daniel Welch
>
No, No, No!  You can't have Reggie!  I hate the thought of Reggie leaving the
Eagles.
-- 

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|   Gail A. Fullman    |
|   Manager - ADMO     |
|   Ext. 83113         |
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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: What the Saints need:  A better offensive line?
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 06:37:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.054400.21453@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>Even if Mora call the right calls, ultimately, the execution depends
>on the QB and Hebert has clearly shown he is NOT capable of coming
>through in big time games. Time to get rid of Hebert and probably
>Mora as well IMHO.

What is clear from the Saints-Eagles playoff game and the Saints-49ers
game this year at Candlestick is that Mora does not trust his running
game to grind out the clock when the Saints have the lead.  This
failure to go to the run in these critical situations may indeed be
Mora's fault, in which case he should certainly be replaced.  But it
seems to me from the limited number of Saints games I have seen that
the Saints, even though they have a reputation as a conservative team,
just don't have the needed running game.  And as the Redskin-Viking
game demonstrated, an offensive line playing well will make many
running backs look good.  The Redskin drive in the fourth quarter
consuming ten minutes was the most beautiful drive I have seen in
some time--pure power football ramming it down the throat of a great
defense which knew that it had to stop the run but could not.  And the
Redskins were much of the time using a return man as a running back.

The real issue for the Saints is whether their ownership/management is
willing to invest the time and money in their football organization
in order to have the ability to outguess and outhustle the other NFL
franchises so that they can build a powerhouse offensive line.
Firing the coach Mora and replacing the quarterback Hebert would not seem 
to be the answer.






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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Whose fans are most frustrated?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:10:44 GMT

> It's also
>frustrating to attend a Bucs home game and be in the minority.  Go to a 
>sporting goods store in central Florida and you can find merchandise for
>just about any team except the Bucs.  How many of you are look upon as
>a moron by family, friends and co-workers because you support the home
>team?  

Are you sure it's because you support the home team?  Just kidding.  I can
imagine how frustrating it is to be in a minority in your own stadium.
Worse, you give up the 3 points that's supposed to be the advantage of playing
a home game.  

The last Redskin game I attended was in Phoenix.  We may not have been
a majority, but Redskin fans were a major presence in that game.
I see we're playing Tampa next season, so be prepared for a maroon invasion,
especially if the game is at the time of year when a trip to Florida is
especially inviting.

					me
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Re: Predictions.
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:29:19 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <27000219@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>What have you been smoking?  The Bills humiliated themselves last year.
>Give the Fins a chance.  It may be Marino's last.

Marino has a few good years left in him. As for giving the Fins a chance,
you'll have to talk to the Bills about that.
--Jim
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:52:34 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.175838.22945@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>In article <1iuu40INNoov@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan12.170359.21739@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
 >>>[stuff deleted]
 >>
 >> >Note also that I'm a Dallas fan, although I'm kind of glad that we
 >> >cannot sign White (I think his presence would screw things up - the
 >> >same way Jackson's did in Miami).
 >>
 >>True but remember Steve Beuerline will be leaving and most likely 
 >>will sign in the 2Mil range which means dallas CAN sign a player
 >>for that ammount of cash......I agree I don't want Reggie or
 >>any other Eagles for that matter.....nothing but trouble....
 >
 >
 >OK - someone needs to verify this, but I was under the impression that
 >they could only sign a player at the same position as a free agent who
 >left (and for the amount of money that the free agent's leaving freed
 >up).

Nope, any position and the ammount of money they sign for with
the new team.

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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:35:28 GMT

In article <93004.115518IDSWB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDSWB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Nelson writes:
>>>>
>>>> And remember...you can trust ;) these picks!
>>>>
>Yeah right!
>
>>>> HOUse of Lame versus Buffalo Chips
>>>> **********************************

Well, I was one of the first to respond to Nelson's picks, my picks went in
exact opposite to Nelson's, I managed to go 3-1, the only loss was my
Vikings, but even if wasn't a fan I would've picked 'em anyway.

I'll get my picks for this week out first:

Eagles vs Cowboys -- This is going to be a real hard hitting game, as I said
                     before the Eagles are about as hot as you can get.
                     I really question Aikman's ability to handle the Eagles
                     defense. Unless Emmett Smith has a super game, I think
                     the boys are going to come a little short.

Eagles 31 Cowboys 21



Redskins vs 49'ers-- Great effort against the Vikings gives the skins a real
                     chance.. But they'll face a real QB in Steve Young this
                     week who will pick them apart if they try to blitz him.
                     I think the 49'ers have too much offense for the skins
                     and with the skins offense hurting, they won't be able 
                     score enough. Lowmiller won't be as good on Natural grass.

Niners 28 skins 17



Chargers vs Dolphins -- All the pointers except for defense come down on 
                        Miami's side. I don't know why, but I just feel the
                        Chargers are the team of destiny. I think they will
                        find a way to win.

Chargers 17 Dolphins 14





Bills vs Steelers -- Bills engineered the comeback of the century against the
                     Oilers. But that's history, and I expect a letdown in
                     Pittsburgh, especially if they don't score early.
                     Defense wins Championships and I think the Bills are just
                     too banged up on both sides of the ball. The bills will
                     be valiant, but the Steelers are a totally different team
                     with QB O'donnel who is supposed to start.

Steelers 26 Bills 20


Well there they are, we'll see how I do. I wouldn't mind going 3-1 again.

--------------------------------------------
J.R. Ordon
 Vikings Fan .. we'll get'em next year
From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Eagles/Cowboys stuff
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:08:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1if33aINNhgb@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes...
>or not. This one probably will come down to turnovers and field position.
>Also *IF* the Skins upset the 9ers the Cowboys will know it and will host 
>the NFC Title game in Dallas if they win, added incintive for Dallas.

Of course, if the Skins win, the the Eagles would host the title game if
they won...


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