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From: ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 14:25:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison) writes:

>>       i)  The Catholic religion does not allow sex before marriage
>>  and believe their children should not be exposed to this.

We left the dark ages, threw off the yoke of religion, have come to
the end of what is probably the greatest century in human history,
we've built great computers, and built an Internet... all for this?

        -ans.
-- 

Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Theory (was: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:41:12 GMT

In article <22566@alice.att.com> llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf) writes:
>In article <5stjmw#.valentin@netcom.com> valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) writes:
>>In article <22533@alice.att.com> llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf) writes:
>>>he says is "theoretical", and I have frequently wanted to strangle those child
>>>development theoreticians.  (What do they know?  Their WIVES raised their
>>>kids! :-) )
>>
>>This is unfortubately a widely held view. In reality parents are amateur
>>"theorists", as might also be religious leaders and politicians, while
>>researchers such as Eric are the only ones qualified to discuss rearing
>>methods.
>
>Ah.  But we weren't talking about general rearing methods, were we.  And to be
>perfectly honest, just because theorists have spent time officially studying
>the general issues, doesn't mean they are necessarily right.  

You know, Laura Floom originally was upset with Eric Green's postings
NOT because he was theorizing, but because he was jumping to
conclusions that more than likely were unfounded.  He is also rude and
obnoxious when he does this.  In the case I remember, he accused Anne
Paulson, (I believe) for raising her son to be a sheep just because
she wanted him to be polite.  Well, now, there is nothing wrong with
saying "Don't raise your children to be sheep."  In fact, I agree.  I
think it's wonderful for people to be diverse.  What was offensive was
the fact that he assumed Anne was raising her child to be a sheep when
there was absolutely no evidence to support the fact.  Then he jumped
all over her because she was doing this, when more than likely she
wasn't.

This is the behavior of a good researcher?

The sad fact is that perhaps Eric does have some good ideas, but I
usually discount whatever he says because he is so offensive.  If he
really wanted to help children and help parents with his knowledge, he
would leave out the personal attacks.

Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: repnomar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janet M. Lafler)
Subject: Re: The Wind on the Moon -- author? info?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:27:31 GMT

Someone else has already posted the author of this book (Erik Linklater, I
believe).  I just wanted to add my recommendation.  This is a great, but
(sadly) obscure, children's book.  I reread it a couple of years ago, and
it holds up well.  I remember it for breaking some of the "rules" of children's
literature that I didn't even realize that I had assimilated.

/Janet 
-- 
send mail to repnomar@leland.stanford.edu
Purdy...lowered his voice.  "Now.  We never had this conversation."   B.J. was 
alarmed to hear it.  Who _had_ had this conversation and what had he been 
doing while they had it?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: First car trip
Summary:  you will probably survive! 
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:54:21 GMT

In article <819@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
>We are planning a short trip to Seattle in a few weeks -- a day to go up,
>two days there and a day to come back.  I know that is a lot of travel time
>for so short a trip, but (ta-da!) this will be Laura's first trip away from
>home.
>
>The drive to/from Seattle will take about 3 - 4 hours.  Are we crazy here?
>Is she going to get bored in the car seat and cry the whole way?

It sounds like Laura's environment has been blissfully stable for 7 months.
To give you just a sample of what we subjected our babies to:  a 10-hr 
drive at 4 weeks (baby #1), a 500-mile plane ride at 2 weeks (baby #2),
a trans-atlantic plane ride at 7 months (baby #3), a cross-country drive
at 12 months (#2), a 3000-mile plane ride at 6 weeks (baby #3)...
This is really just a sample; my job demands a fair amount of fieldwork
and other travel and babies get taken along for the ride.  

Surprise!  They survive it all!  Yes, they might cry for a while in
a carseat and they might not sleep as well as usual and they might not
eat as well as usual.  It might even take them a few days to get back
to their usual routine once they get home.  But they do survive, and
my theory is that they do get something from the experience.  In addition
to the new stimulation, they learn to be flexible.  My third child has
been dragged around most of all (at 18 months, he has been in some 19 
different states and to Italy)--he is terrific at rolling with the
punches and keeping himself amused in any environment.  He even had
a good time once in a dusty soybean field in the Mississippi 
embayment.

Have a good trip!!

Sue
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help on Australian holidays/customs/traditions
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:56:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: male.ku17m5INN2mj
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com



My nine year old step-daughter is doing a project in Brownies and
her assignment is to report on holidays/customs/traditions in
Australia. (Her troop picked 3 countries to "visit" - Australia,
Viet Nam and Kuwait.)

Any of you out there in Austalia willing to help?  Especially
interesting/different things.  Any help would be greatly 
appreciated. 

Jenny and I both thank you!

Valerie

valerie.hayes@EBay.sun.com
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:33:49 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <9APR199217091706@addvax.llnl.gov> kettering@addvax.llnl.gov (Brett 'Volleyball Is My Game' Kettering) writes:

First, I think Brett said much of what I am trying to say far more eloquently
than I did.  Thanks.  (I especially loved the comedy routine).

However, I have one little nit to pick...

>To some extent, one's life is put on hold in raising children.  

I think this is a negative way of looking at parenting.  One's life isn't
on hold while raising children.  One's life IS raising children.  Some aspects
may be on hold but raising your kids is your life while you're doing it.

I'm not sure if this is really Buddhism or not, but I learned it as such in
a comparative religion class and am quoting after a filter of about 15 years.
But I've always liked it.  The idea is to view your life in 20 year chunks
and focus on the purpose of the 20 years at hand.  I believe it goes something
like this:

0-20	Your job is to learn
20-40	Raise your family
40-60	Contribute to society
60-80	Meditate on God

Of course, I had that extra time 20-30 where I considered my job closer to 
"party hard".  I guess I'll have to live to be 90 ;-)
-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: toddi@mav.com (Todd Inch)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a summary about colic?
Organization: Maverick International Inc.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:34:52 GMT

In article <78494@yarra.pyramid.com.au> rag@yarra.pyramid.com.au (Robyn A Grunberg) writes:
>In article <1992Mar27.191712.3395@alw.nih.gov> paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
>>Does anyone have a summary of posts or general info on colic?

Several people, including medical staff, recommended peppermint tea,
which did work well for Jason.  Be sure to use 100% peppermint, no
other herbs or "black tea" (readily available in the herbal tea section
- one of the major name brands.)  Fairly weak brewed and served warm
with a little sugar worked for us and he seemed to enjoy the taste. 
Something in it calms the upset (or is it gassy?) stomach.
From: skejriwa@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.171534.26082@acsu.buffalo.edu>
mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:

>                 I was just wondering... when one is feeding solid food to 
a 
>         baby, how do you know when to stop?  When the baby refuses to 
take
>         another bite?  Or is there a set amount of food they should eat, 
and
>         you just give them that much? 
I stop feeding my 7 month old when he stops eagerly opening his
mouth for the next bite, and refuses more food.  I generally don't
stop only if he spits the food out as after gentle coercing,  
diverting his attention, or waiting for a few minutes before trying again
he is ready to eat more if he is still hungry.   There is also a set 
amount of food that I put out for him to finish ... if he stops before, I
just put away the leftovers, or if he still seems to be hungry ( RARE!! ),
I just open another jar.

> What about different varieties of food?
>         For example, if a baby is eating strained peas, and refuses the 
next
>         spoonful- does that mean he/she is full - or just through with 
that 
>         dish?  Maybe the he/she would eat further if you switched to a 
>         different dish, such as applesauce?
> 
I always keep atleast two varieties of foods near me for his feed.
He definitely eats further if I switch back & forth between the two
dishes ( generally one dish will be a dinner dish, like rice & lentils,
and another dish is something sweet, like fruits, or dessert ).

>                                         Marie

BTW, I have noticed that if I offer my son coarsely mashed fresh fruit or
rice/lentil dinner, instead of a pureed jar dinner, he eats better.  So, I
try & keep one of the varieties to be freshly mashed food & feed him
back & forth between jar food & fresh food.
Hope this helps.
				Sangita.

*********************************************************
*	Sangita.Kejriwal WichitaKs.NCR.COM 		*
*********************************************************
From: judyd@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Growth rates
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:05:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.


How fast do kids grow?  I know every kid is different, but I
have absolutely no idea what to expect at all.  Do kids continue
having growth spurts until they're full grown?  When do growth
spurts typically occur?  Or do growth spurts stop eventually
and slow, steady growth takes over?  

The reason I'm asking this is that my 3-year-old has grown
only about a half inch in the last four or five months.  His
growth up till then had been pretty fast and furious.  Is he
between growth spurts?  Does the length of time between spurts
increase as they get older?  Do all kids experience growth
spurts?  I read somewhere that growth only takes place when
they're asleep--is this true?

Just curious! 

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reynold@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re:  Headaches
Reply-To: reynold@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:32:06 GMT

In article <34105@unix.SRI.COM>, (anothermother) writes:
>I have gotten really frustrated with this, and decided not to ask her anymore,
>and sure enough the headaches stopped.  I seem to have an instinctive
>feeling that headaches are caused by changes in blood sugar levels
>
>The headaches in
>both cases seem to occur in the afternoon, prime time for being tired, and
>hungry and in my husband's case, grouchy with traffic...I think a pattern has
>been set in his case, and I bet after a vacation he'll snap out of it.
>
>See if your child develops a headache pattern.

Also, check for seasonal changes. My spring time allergies manifest themselves
as headaches.
From: nelsonm@CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:55:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept
Originator: nelsonm@storm.CS.ORST.EDU

In <sc75hINN3oc@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:

>csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley) writes:
>>      vi)  Misuse of contraceptives. (reports of using them as
>>  waterbombs and placing them on classroom doorhandles etc.)

>Are you serious?  Someone actually said this?  Maybe they should stop
>giving out pencils in school, because it's been reported that students
>use them to write graffiti on the desks!  Maybe schools should stop
>serving lunch, because students have food fights!  Geez.

I feel that missues of a condom is a good thing.  It means the kids will
know (and not be too ashamed) how to get a condom when they really need it.
(hopefully they will wait).  It also means that they probably weren't
planning on using that condum.

At this point I should note that "means" should be taken with salt.
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: holding a kid back in school
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:55:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

Background: my middle son is 7 and in first grade.  His birthday is
in August.  We started him in Kindergarten a year late, due to
general immaturity.

We didn't tell him he had been held back.  He never asked anything about
it until last year sometime, when he noticed that most of his
classmates were having their 6th birthdays during the school year,
and he had had his already.

We told him, by the way, that the school and all of us had decided he
was "too young" and he needed to wait a year.

Peggy
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they say
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: nssdca.8APR199213461286
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Yesterday my daughter had ballet. At dinner, my husband started
musing - 'If they call women who dance ballet ballerinas, what do
they call men who dance ballet?' To which my 6 year old daughter
replied 'men!'. Made sense to me!
                                Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0)
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:01:21 GMT

forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:

>Even
>as a child I did not have a sweet tooth and my Halloween and Easter candy
>would be left to rot every year.  

Standing policy in my house with my family is that exactly one week after
Halloween and Easter, all candy is tossed out!
-- 
| Matthew R. Zeier                 __  | "Be content, then, in everything;  |
| University of Illinois,         / /  |  and if you wish to seem so        |
|   Urbana-Champaign         __  / /   |  likewise to anyone, appear so to  |
| mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  \ \/ /    |  yourself and it will suffice you."|
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ff76@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Jhinuk Chowdhury)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: PEDIATRICIANS - Interview questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:20:23 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

Hi:
        Last September, I had requested you netters to send me suggestions 
regarding the kinds of questions my wife and I should ask an obstetri-
cian/gynecologist during a "shopping" interview (the first encounter *before* 
committing to a specific Ob/Gyn).  I received many wonderful suggestions, 
from which we had prepared a shortlist for our own use.  We are (so far) very 
happy with the obstetrician we have.  [I have saved the all the responses to 
my earlier query concatenated in a single, 840-line file; and had posted it 
to the net in October 1991.  If anyone wishes to receive it, I can e-mail you 
a copy.  If the number of requests are too large, I will post it to the net.] 

        Now, my wife is due on May 17, and it's time for us to interview 
pediatricians.  I remember sometime last year there was a similar thread on 
initial interview questions for pediatricians.  I had thought that I had saved 
copies - unfortunately they seem to have vanished.  I am returning to this 
net after a long break (included in which was one very eventful overseas trip 
for both of us), so please pardon me if I am requesting information on a 
recently discussed issue.  As usual, I will be happy to summarize (actually, 
concatenate) the responses to the net.

         Regards,  - Jhinuk .

Jhinuk Chowdhury,     University of North Texas,    FF76@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:59:55 GMT


The first problem with the public schools handing out contraceptives,
in my view, is that it alienates those parents who oppose it.  Public
schools need to win back the confidence of parents who are the ones
who support the schools with their votes and taxes.  In the U.S.,
the credibility of public schooling is very low, and telling parents
the schools know how to deal with sex issues better than the parents
do will tend to provoke responses like, ``You can't teach them to read
and you think you can teach sexual responsibility.''

Second, it is intolerant.  It seems that the idea is that `all moral
viewpoints are equally valid' but some are more equally valid than
others.  This is hypocritical and contributes to the alienation
described in my first point above.

Third, it tends toward totalitarianism.  I find it ironic that people
who are concerned with civil liberties will seek to support these
liberties using state-sponsored education.  The state becomes
totalitarian by undermining those sources of power and personal
identity that might compete with it; one of the strongest is the
family.  I think using government education to champion civil
liberties is like using a wolf to guard the sheepfold.
--
-Fred Gilham          gilham@csl.sri.com
From: lisas@pucc.princeton.edu (Lisa Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: babbling speech delay in 2 1/2 year old
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:48:52 GMT
Organization: Princeton University - CIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr9.145356.13284@umiami.ir.miami.edu>
ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <char.702670136@rlxdev>, char@modcomp.uucp (Charlotte Noll) writes:
>> 
>> My 2 1/2 year old son just had his well baby checkup and everything was fine

>> except the pediatrician suggested I have him evaluated for a speech delay.
 
>But I wouldn't worry too much, at least for another 6 months-year.
>
 
>
>
>Well, obviously he is smart enough and has a good enough memory to recall and
>use phrases he has heard--I really doubt your son has a problem (except for a
>worry-wort pediatrician).
>
>Ann Helmers
>

I post this all the time, and I have already sent e-mail to the
original poster, but here goes again:

Most late talkers are simply that---late talkers. But often it is	
appropriate to have them evaluated.  And 2 1/2 isn't EARLY	
for evaluation. The reason that EIP programs (Early Intervention	
Programs) are in existence all over the country is because the 	
earlier you intervene the better chance a child has.

I too have a very bright son, with an INCREDIBLE memory. He too	
makes funny associations. That doesn't change the fact, however,	
that he has a pervasive developmental disorder.

I'm sure that Charlotte's son is fine, but if a doctor thinks she
should check it out, I don't think that netter's should discourage
her.  

Lisa Lewis
From: janeth@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com (Janet Helmbolt)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:26:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Morning Dressing Battles
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Regarding your child not wanting to get dressed in the morning:

You might want to try changing the order you do things in in the morning.
You may want to get him dressed first and then do the cuddling stuff afterwards.
Tell him the new plan and let him know that there will be no book time until
he is dressed.  When he gets dressed then reward him with book time.  Also
getting him dressed first may be easier if he is a little bit sleepy and
not able to fight things so much.

Another idea I heard of is picking out the clothes the night before, letting
the child decide and then having the child lay them out on the floor in
the order they get dressed.  It tends to make getting dressed more fun and
seemingly the child is more in control.

As a last resort you could always have him sleep in the clothes for the next
day until he figures out that this is not fun.

I personally favor taking him to daycare in his pajamas and let peer pressure
do its work.

jrh
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:51:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sc75hINN3oc
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley) writes:
>      vi)  Misuse of contraceptives. (reports of using them as
>  waterbombs and placing them on classroom doorhandles etc.)

Are you serious?  Someone actually said this?  Maybe they should stop
giving out pencils in school, because it's been reported that students
use them to write graffiti on the desks!  Maybe schools should stop
serving lunch, because students have food fights!  Geez.
From:  (anothermother)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Discovery Zone
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:08:17 GMT
Distribution: usa

I hope this post makes it!


I've been to DZ twice, and to be quite honest, my children enjoyed it immensly, but
I didn't.  I'd say its a nice place to visit once a year, or if your child gets
invited to a party there, drop the kid off and LEAVE.

Why?  Well, unless you like to crawl down tubes and jump around in balls, etc., its pretty
boring.  I joined in with my kids both times, and realized how out of shape I was.

I disagree with their policies.  No kids over 12, but its OK for parents to go in???  I guess
they want parents to supervise, but don't appreciate boisterous teens (there are lots of nice teens!).

The price is $5 (in Los Gatos, CA) per kid all day, or 2 hours weekends.  My kids
(11 and 5) really enjoyed it and didn't get bored.  I found it very limited, and
a bit pricey for what they give you (not much)...Also their pizza is horrible.

Most parents either sit in the TV room (limited to what somebody else turns on--(reminds me
of urgent care at Kaiser) or sit
on the floor (WITHOUT SHOES OF COURSE).  OR>>>they join in.

I'd say its worth a try at least once.

Oh, I didn't really mention EXACTLY what is there:
- pools of plastic balls (like Chuck E Cheese)
- tubes to crawl through made out of hard (ouch on knees) plastic or netting
- slides
- walkways and stairs made out of cushy stuff, a big cushy pyramid to climb and fall off
- tiny tot area with life-size blocks and mini slides/balls

have fun.