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From: audi@tellabs.com (Audi McGee)
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Keywords: na
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:24:59 GMT
Expires: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 06:00:00 GMT


hi, we just had to jump in here too! since mom and dad
don't have a pc at home we had to sneek into work, all
3 of us to wish everyone a happy holiday season and
to tell you that we love snow too.

my two brothers larry and clyde are funny to watch.

larry loves to make those snow angles! and he likes 
to throw the snow up in the air with his nose, then
he sneezes! it funny. 

clyde looks just plain silly, he loves the snow to
but do you humans know what a desert lizard is?
well this type of lizard has a unique cooling
system, he stand on two legs at a time, then
when those two feet get hot he stands on his
other two feet while he lifts the hot ones
of the sand, well this is what clyde does, only
with the three legs down one up and he rotates
his feet so he won't get to cold. and remember
my brother isn't some small dog, he's 97.5 lbs!

me, oh by the way, i'm nico, i'm a newfoundland
so you know i LOVE the snow. my favorite thing
to do is let all the snow fall on me and not
come in, i HATE to come in when it's snowing,
it's fun to run and jump in it and my two
favorite things to do is eat it and sit
under the 80 foot pine in the back and watch
mom and dad TRY and get me in. i just don't
unerstand why they can't come out in thier
bare feet, we do! hehehe. oh and the BEST part
is coming in and shaking!! HAHA

see you all next year.

clyde, larry, and of course humble me...nico.
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:57:44 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
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>In article <BzBI0K.4yC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes...
>>Hey guys...great idea about posting when Mom's busy.  
>

Jeez.  You guys are all so frivolous.  Don't you realize that the serious
business of Retrieving must be carried on regardless of the weather?  I
get my mom to throw the tennis ball for me, no matter what!  I used to
try to get all the snow off before I brought it back, but no matter how
hard you try, you just can't get the snow off.  Even digging on the ball
doesn't help.  Now I just bring it back, even though it gets bigger and
bigger.

You've got to be on your toes, though, because if you don't see the ball
land, it can be hard to find.  Mom likes to watch me find the ball when
the snow is up to my shoulders.  I stick my head under the snow and sniff
and sniff.  My little Corgi tail (what's left of it) wags and wags and
wags.

Now we have a puppy.  Yech.  So I don't do so much retrieving because I
have to chase the stupid puppy.  Stupid thing.  Sometimes it forgets to
run, and then I bite it and bark at it until it runs again.  Of course
I bark while I chase it, too.  The other day it snowed, and I chased and
chased that puppy, and then, after we came in, I chased it some more.  We
run rings around the couch in the family room, and then go through the
livingroom and kitchen in a loop.  This is a lot of work for a dog who
is almost twelve, but someone's got to do it, and I am very serious about
my responsibilities.

As for rock retrieval from water, well, that other dog who used to live
at our house (until she never came back from a trip to the vet) was the
Champeen.  She would regularly retrieve rocks that were bigger than her
head from shoulder-deep water.  She'd use her front paws to choose a likely
target, and then duck under until she had the rock firmly grasped, and then
bring it back to shore.  She agrees completely with Wolfie about shaking the
water on all available persons (and her coat was about collie length, too).

Now STICKS from water, that's my best thing in the world.  Even better than
balls on land.  THIS summer the stupid puppy got in my way EVERY time.  *I*
would swim out and actually get the stick, but who was ALWAYS waiting and
trying to get MY stick??  I keep telling her I'm going to kill her if she
doesn't leave my toys alone, but she just won't quit.  Stupid thing!

Well, I'm gonna go see if I can get somebody to throw something.  Probably
need to see what that stupid puppy is doing, too.  It's so hard to keep
other dogs in line....

Bye!  -- Molly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN)
Subject: Help!  Boredom sores caused by licking
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Keywords: licking, boredom sores
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:04:40 GMT



Help!!!  My dog is licking his leg into a bloody mess!

Late this summer my samoyed starting boredom licking his leg. A small
lump developed.  I took him to the vet who injected steroids into
the lump.  This worked for about a month, but them Shiloh was back
at it.  He made it weep and start to bleed.  We tried bitter apple,
but he is so stubborn, he actually licks the bitter apple off his
leg and any bandages we put on his leg.

Shiloh would leave bandages on, which prevented more damage, but
the sore underneath would not heal, so the vet gave me some
topical ointment.  Of course, that must have made the sore itch,
so this morning, for the first time, Shiloh pulled the bandage
off and licked the topical ointment off.

I'm really at my wits end.  A friend recommended wassabe (sp?) -
Japanese horseradish, and I'm going to try that, but I would
LOVE to hear from people who have had this problem and anything
they have tried.

Last resort I'm going to use an Elizabethan collar, but I don't
think that it's long term solution and I've heard that collars are
very stressful for the dog.


-Ann

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Toys...(was Re: Kong???)
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Keywords: kong, retrieve
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:05:06 GMT


After reading this thread on Kongs, I wonder if anyone else has
expereince with the "(almost) Indestructible Ball" from R.C.
Steele.  I got one for McDuff the wonder Beardie.  He seems
more annoyed at it than fond of it, though he plays with it quite
frequently.  He has, however, managed to do quite a bit of damage to
it fairly quickly (deep tooth marks in the hard palstic).

Our kitchen floor is not quite level, so as he walks away from the
thing, it starts to roll on its own, and he has to come back and
teach it a lesson ("I said STOP MOVING!")

Anyway, anbody else's comments on this toy would be greatly appreciated.
(After the discussion on the Kong, it is on the list for the next R.C.
Steele order ;-))

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Help! Boredom sores caused by licking
Keywords: licking, boredom sores
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.210829.11563@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN) writes:
|> In article <2B30D64E.489@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
|> >In <1992Dec17.180440.14479@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >>Help!!!  My dog is licking his leg into a bloody mess!
|> >>Late this summer my samoyed starting boredom licking his leg.
|> >

Ann,
  As I remember the AKC Gazette had an article on Accural (sp) Lick Syndrome
(ALS) in a fairly recent issue (about the last six months?). I'm certainly
not an expert on this in fact I have very little knowledge and no experience,
but I do know a women who has this type of problem with her Siberian Husky.
He chews his tail.  I've heard that some researchers believe that
ALS is similar to Excessive Complusive Disorders in humans, people who have
to continually clean their house or wash their hands or twist their hair etc.
It seems that some researchers believe these problems often have more to
do with chemical or hormonal imbalances than with environment etc.  It might
be worth looking into.  BTW, most public libraries carry copies of the Gazette
and as I remember the article had a reference list on the topic for futher
reading.

Sorry I don't know more, but maybe this will give you another avenue to explore.

-Kayti
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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: 2 Dogs: 1 Food Aggressive, 1 Tiny [Help?]
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:47:57 -0800
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys. at Law, San Mateo, CA
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Heh...I wonder how many of you knew it would be me posting just from
the title [shaddup ekman and jegm! :-)]

So, Tazi and Callie seem to be getting along ok...most of their
'fighting' seems to be play [in fact Callie, who is smaller than my
female cat, routinely hurls herself at Tazi, with a ferocious yap and
growl, little tiny teeth bared..Tazi thinks this is great fun, and all
play..though I suspect that on Callie's end it's about 50% play and
50% seriuos [at the same time]].  Certainly on Tazi's end it's all
play...she tries often to play with Callie and in general is very
friendly with her.

Except when it comes to food.  Or a rawhide bone.  Or anything like
that.

I *can* give them each a treat at the same time, side by side, and so
long as they are both eating a treat there is no problem.  But let a
single item fall to the floor, and them both go for it, and it's
serious trouble time.

The first day we got Callie she sniffed Tazi's bowl while Tazi was
eating, and Tazi did nothing, and I thought "*wow*"...this is too good
to be true.  It was.  Tazi has been known to go after a
much-larger-than-she Siberian when he came to investigate her sniffing
the area where *he* had dropped a crumb [shaddup jegm :-)]

In short, where food is involved, all bets are off, and Tazi is a
complete, and *very* aggressive, jerk.  As in, Callie [or any dog]
could get seriously hurt.  We're talking attacks, and dog fights.

Obviously I feed them separately, but does anybody have *any* ideas as
to what, if anything, I might do about this?

Tazi truly is *not* a fighter otherwise...and as I said, she gets
along famously with Callie otherwise.  Same with the Siberian, who is
one of her best friend playmates normally [ok, now you can talk jegm].

Help?

Annie
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:42:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.205521.9393@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> sal@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Sal Magnone) writes:
}I would like to know your opinion on pets sleeping in the same room as their 
}owners.  I have read different views on this subject and would like to learn of
}some first hand experience on this subject.
}
}Please include do's and dont's on the subject.

Our two, Studley [Doright] and George (see .sig below) sleep on their own
beds in our room. Studley is almost two years old now and has free run of
the house -- he is a much more toy-oriented dog than George and will often
sleep on the sofa or on the upstairs bed (our master bedroom is downstairs).

George almost always wants to be right near us; he's a *much* more people-
oriented dog than Studley, but when he's sleeping he has no choice as he is
still an untrustworthy yearling and is leashed to the bed at night. George
will eat *anything*, especially if given free run of the house while we're
asleep.

Neither dog sleeps on the bed, although Studley will sometimes sneak up
there while we're asleep and we don't mind unless he gets in the way.

As far as intimacy goes, both of our dogs (and particularly Studley) are
absolutely oblivious. Even so, we often toss them out of the room
temporarily when things heat up.
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From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DOGS & CATS
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:32:26 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Tails a waggin

In article <9212151209.AA2161@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>, ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|> 
|>   I don't think you're going to have any problem at all adopting a
|> kitten.  Labs are bred to be gentle dogs.  Everything should work out
|> o.k.  Kittens are adaptable.  It will take a few days for the kitten
|> to settle down in it's new home, but after that time, it will accept
|> the dog as a natural part of it's family.  
|>   Introduce the kitten to the dog, and watch them carefully at first. 
|> Labs are so expressive, you should be able to tell immediatly how the
|> dog feels about the kitten.  I could be love at first sight!
|> --- FMail 0.92
|>  * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

Yup!, my barn cats prefer to hang out with the dogs for protection from my
neighbors cat's. Kinda like bodyguards. It takes a little while for the kitten
to get used to the situation, but they do. This is especailly true with
Labs or in general retrievers of any kind. Even my Rott is gentle with the
cats.
-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
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From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lots of Doggie Treat Recipes !!
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:40:27 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Woof ruff woof

In article <kathy_buetow-171292104844@128.174.76.131>, kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow) writes:
|> Hi all !!
|>     Christmas is just 8 days away (YIKES !) and as I've seen several 
|> requests for Doggie Treat Recipes so I thought I'd post some of my 
|> kid's favorites.
|> 
 < lots of good recipes deleted>

Some of those recipes sounded so good I think I'll try them myself. Woof

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
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From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Leaving a puppy alone - b
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

On 12-17-92, JOHN STAFFORD wrote to ALL:

JS> I can provide an otherwise good environment for the pup;
JS> food, fresh (running) water, shelter, a large fenced in
JS> area (my home is a retired farm) and so forth but is
JS> this enough?

seems fine...

JS> How about getting _two_ pups?  Would they be company
JS> enough for each other while I am gone?

much better...

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)

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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:45:59 GMT
Subject: Re: excited by car travel
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I read about one dog (a belgian shepherd) whose drooling problem stopped when
they realized that it was aggravated by the dog being in direct sunlight.

The whining, etc. is something I experience with my Sheltie too.  And twirling.
I think he is "worked up" because he thinks he knows where we are going.  So
if we go down a steep hill (like we do when we go to this park he likes) he
starts whining, because he thinks we're going there.  Once he realizes he is
wrong, he settles down and he DOES sleep in the car.  Your situation sounds
worse.  One suggestion is to leash him, and then shut the car door on the 
leash in such a way that the dog has a very small area in which to move.  Don't
choke him, obviously, but restrict his movement.  He may feel more "under      
control" when he is leashed.  I do this once in awhile, and when my Sheltie
cannot move about, his energy level settles.

Is this car-problem more typical  with herding breeds?  I have a Sheltie, my
friend also has a border collie with a drooling problem, and the belgian
shepherd......  Has anyone with a non-herding breed had much of this problem?

Diane
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Summary: not for some breeds!
Keywords: large dogs apartments
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:26:17 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <168C0CDCC.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>

Chris responds to someone looking for advice on a new dog.  The original
poster had several criteria, among them these:
 
>	2.  Adaptable to both life with a yard and life in an apartment.
>	    ( I have crate trained a dog before and am comfortable with it)
 
>	4.  Between 65lbs and 100 lbs.
 
Chris stated:

CB]#4 is incompatible simply because I would consider it cruel to keep a
CB]large dog in an apartment all day (actually, I wouldn't sell ANY breed
CB]of dog to someone that lived in an apartment).
CB]
CB].soapbox off

Okay, I'll step up on the soapbox.  I used to feel the way Chris does WRT
large dogs in apartments, until I did a little reading, and a little
talking to knowledgeable dog owners.  Then I discovered this really
depends on the breed of dog.  Some dogs are totally content with small
homes/apartments, as long as they get sufficient exercise outdoors.
Daniel Tortora's book, the Right Dog for You, categorizes breeds according
to a matrix of behaviors and characteristics.  AMong these are outdoor
activity level and indoor activity level.  Some breeds are low for both,
some high for both, and some low indoors and high outdoors.
It depends on the breed.  I have had this substantiated by breeders and
exhibitors for some breeds.

Chris's remarks may be true for upland bird dogs, I don't know, but I
know they are untrue for other breeds, such as my own for example, the
Bouvier.  Yes, he might want to get wild occasionally, but for the most
part is quite calm inside.  As long as there is sufficient activity
and exercise outdoors, the size of our home is irrelevant for this breed.
As with anything else, there will be individual differences within breeds,
as well.

Chris, if you had stated that it is cruel for a bird dog to be in a small
apartment I might have deferred to your experience.  SInce you did not,
and indeed extended this to ALL BREEDS, I can't let it slide.  SO, you
think a pomeranian needs a big house to run around in.  I guess a
chihuahua needs 20 rooms to feel comfortable.  Wow, that sure surprises
me!

Again, it isn't just the small breeds that can be comfortable in small
homes.  Several large breeds  are low activity indoors and do not require
a mansion.

Okay, off the soapbox, Whew! Now I can apologize for my tone 8^)  Those
darn sopaboxes bring out the haranguer in me.

bws


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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: flying with GSDX puppy (Sherpa Bag?)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:05:32 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Michael George Buening (mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu) wrote:
: >BTW, the correct spelling is shepherdn not shepard. :)

: Boy you are probably going to get it for that one :-) :-)

All I can do is claim line noise!  The n was not there when I posted that. :)
 
: I was told a much smaller max. dimension than the 8"x13"x22" that 
Dan (I think) wrote.  

Nope, not me (I'm Karen, using Dan's account)

Anyone interested in this topic might want to look in rec.pets.cats. 
There is someone trying to find out why airlines charge the same for a pet
in the cabin as one in cargo, when they never handle the in cabin pets.  

As far as prices, you must make sure that the airline knows that you are
flying with the animal (cargo-in cabin they can't go alone) otherwise the
price is very different.

Karen
 
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