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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:03:48 EST
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lindstrom@acs.harding.edu writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> >ahh, i have no objection to the atheism part of it. i want art not 
> >philosophy. (anyone who gets their philosophy of life from songs 
> >needs serious help.) 
> 
> No, you're wrong here.  Music has long been used as a vehical for
> social change.  Read up on some musical history, or talk to some
> of the artists (composers especially) coming out of what was the
> Soviet Union.  Music can be (and is) used to develop and enforce
> national loyalties and attitudes.  It has been the cause of riots
> (not fans at some concert, but societies rising up against their
> governments) and revolution.

music doesn't revolt. people do. yes, music is a good way to spread
a message, but that doesn't mean it's a good place to -get- your
messages. it's often misleading. 

your point about the Sovunion proves mine exactly: people who get 
their philosophy of life from music are asking for trouble. -no- 
beliefs should be adopted without a lot more study than just a few 
song lyrics, i don't care how great it sounds.

> Music is powerful.  The line of thinking of just listening to 
> whatever for art's sake (and not letting it influence you) is akin 
> to me thinking it is not important who my friends are because they 
> will not influence me. Perhaps you are stronger than I am.

i have a paper on file here called The Battle For Your Mind. it
outlines some of the persuasion techniques used by mass movements, music
being one. one of the points made is that -none- of these techniques
is successful when attempting to change an individual's lowest level
of programming, which is usually religious training. there's a lot
of truth to "train up a child".

jason

--
me
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Opening for M.W. Smith?
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:48:23 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Who will be opening for M.W. Smith?  I will be going
to the Feb. 1 concert in Wichita, KS.

Thanks,

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM Magazine
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:54:02 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Is CCM Magazine worth subscribing to?

Reply to Jpurcell@Vax1.UMKC.edu.


Thanks, 


JP

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Subject: Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:14:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.151053.20824@raid.dell.com>, randy@uutopia.dell.com
(Randy Price) wrote:
> 
> Heard the song on radio, and of course, annoucer did not identify.
> 
> Sort rock/funk/alternative.
> 


I believe it is Steve Green with his wife.




Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: heflin@rtsg.mot.com (Suzanne Stratton Heflin)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:04:12 GMT

tsh2@quads.uchicago.edu (tad hwang) writes:

>>
>>As for the mocker, these apparent contradictions give him every opportunity
>>to grab at cheap shots left and right.  Watch the mocker exhault his own
>>intelligence and lift himself above all christians in his own eyes prancing
>>around like the king of all intelligence only to be cast down as a supreme
>>fool!  The christian sits at the feet of the Lord hungering for and living
>>off of every word that comes from His mouth while the mocker sneers, starves
>>himself and closes his eyes in supreme arrogance and foolishness as he walks
>>straight into the pit of hell while the christian is given the welcome of
>>Christ into His Father's house with many mansions!
>wow....pretty harsh words.  I am definitely not a mocker, but I do have a 
>problem with the last line above.  If this is the attitude of Christians,
>then the world is not a better place with them.

The "attitude of Christians" is irrelevant.  All that matters is truth.
This (unbelievers going to hell) is a very difficult truth for Christians,
as I believe that we all have family, friends, loved ones that are unbeliev-
ers, but I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and therefore absolute
truth.  As Christians, tho, I believe God calls us to bring others to
Christ through love, charity, and true caring for others; we are to be his
Light in the world.  At the same time that we witness to God's love, how-
ever, to ignore his justice is to deny his Being, also. It is truth, but I
don't believe God would ever have us try to scare someone into being a
believer. Maybe the fact of Hell should only be the motivation for believers
to pray for unbelievers, never the motivation for an unbeliever to become
a believer.


>-- 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
>"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
>   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
>        -leslie wintheiser                    |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Whitecross (and hopefully others)
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:38:25 GMT

farmer@cs.utk.edu (SUSAN FARMER) writes:


>My questions:
>   1) Which other Whitecross tapes are also good?  (I know with some artists
>      this is a moot question, they can't make a bad album)

IMHO, Whitecross is just such a band.  They have five albums out -
Whitecross, Hammer & Nail, In the Kingdom, Triumphant Return and High
Gear (their newest).  They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but
they are all well worth the money.

>   2) Who are other artists of similar ilk that are as good or better?

Again, IMHO, I think that they are without rival.  There are other bands
that come up to their level musically, but lyrically, no one comes close -
they proclaim Jesus' name with unmistakable clarity unceasingly.  Petra
is good, Holy Soldier is also pretty good.  Not really the same style, but
David Zaffiro is also good.  Saint is good, but they're a little heavier 
and also no longer around.  Hope this helps.

--
Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hunsts@cary115.its.rpi.edu (*sigh*)
Subject: Re: Cornerstone '93
Reply-To: hunsts@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:28:55 GMT

In article <725236801.AA00715@cswamp.apana.org.au>, Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes:
|> I just received the following information from Eric Pement, sysop
|> of the JPUSA bbs in the CCMRADIO echo that may interest some
|> readers of r.m.c.:
|> 
|> Dear Bob,
|> 
|>    In answer to your question:
|> 
|>  >         Is it possible to drag an early, early, early, list of
|> bands 
|>  > that MAY play (not definite because it's too early to say) at
|> 
|>  > Cornerstone '93 out of you?
|>  > 
|>  > It's December and I'm already ripping,raring and ready for
|> Cstone
|>  > '93. :>
|> 
|>    Okay, I just talked with the Festival coordinator, and here's
|> a complete list of the bands which have confirmed their
|> appearance at Cornerstone '93:
|>   
|>    Cauzin' efekt             Newsboys
|>    Bride                     Larry Howard
|>    Darrell Mansfield         DeGarmo & Key
|>    REZ                       LSU
|>    Charlie Peacock
|

      Also appearing are:  The Crossing, Poorhouse, Crashdog, these are JPUSA bands and will be there, along with rez and cauzin' efekt, also look for Redemption on the Impromptu stage.  Metal band, young, but good.

|>    That's all for now.  We're still working on booking the rest! 
|> Keep us in prayer, and I hope to see you at the Fest!
|>   
|>                                 Yours/His,
|>                                 Eric Pement
|> 
|> -!- TBBS v2.1/NM
|>  ! Origin: JPUSA BBS * Home of "Cornerstone" * 312/878-6030 
|> (8:7000/43)
|> 
|>  * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia
|> (8:7000/8)
|> 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young)
Subject: Re: Humper Bumper Bashmobile, or why does this record exist?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:37:02 GMT

In article <104305@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan11.145531.13682@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> >Sure, there's always been people in CCM without much musical talent.
> >(Just as a sidelight, I've talked to Honeytree a few times and found
> >her to be a very nice, down-to-earth person.  She just can't sing.)   
> >I may gripe about CCM, but it's a *lot* better than it used to be,
> 
> Honeytree ... didn't she give us that immortal classic, "Humper Bumper
> Bashmobile"?  
> 
> Hey, there's a thread.  What are the most *absurd* CCM songs you've heard
> over the years?  Samples welcome.  I suspect "Grape, Grape Joy in Jesus"
> has got to be on a few people's lists ...
> 
>
Sounds a lot like the contest the Wittenburg Door had a few years back to
find the strangest phrases in Christian Music lyrics...some of the few I 
recall were:

"My sin, oh the bliss of that glorious thought..."  (the hymn "It Is Well With
                                                    My Soul"...Splafford ??)

"We had a baby out of wedlock, her old man got me in a headlock..." (Larry 
                                                                     Norman)

"You guzzle your crutch and shove it up your nose..."  (Steve Taylor)

The Door was (is ?) notorious for such contests.

Dick Young
Motorola, Inc.
(Who doesn't have anything to do with my opinions: They're all my own fault.)
> 
> -- 
> The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
> if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
> 
>
From: 00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Top 40 question?
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:52:26 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's



Hello!!!!

I'm here to answer the question involving adolescent girls and Top 40 music. 
I'm a little bit younger than most of y'all, I assume (since I'm still in high
school :), though I'm a bit older than most teen/pre-teen girls.

In my experience, girls and guys both tend to listen to the top 40 stuff in
junior high/middle school, and maybe the first year of high school.  They also
experiment with rap, heavy metal, and some of them, even classical music (at
least, I did).  They don't care much about the quality of the music.  At least,
they care about as much about quality as they do the attractiveness of the
performer.  (Michael Bolton is sooooo good-looking, I think I'll buy his next
album...:)  

Then, when one gets a little older and a little more exposure to various kinds
of music, one tends to try new music and to demand more quality from artists,
although they might tend to hold onto a couple of questionable artists or
groups from earlier days.

I may be wrong, but my observations during a recent trip with 9 high school
seniors (again a little older than the general group) led to me to think that
girls are more likely to appreciate different kinds of music than guys.  The
guys:  one was Tourniquet, Whitecross, Deliverane, nothing softer than Petra,
and they're pushing it a little; one was country country country country; one
listened to DC Talk the whole trip, and the other Rich Mullins and Garth
Brooks.  The girls:  me, One Bad Pig, Rich Mullins, old Petra, Whitecross,
RUSH :), White Lion, and on and on; two others, Boyz II Men, Whitney Houston,
Whitecross, and the other two, Wayne Watson and I Kings 1-22.

Well, i have more to say, but I doubt that I have enough memory left to say it,
so y'all can get rid of me now...

Meghan
00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: #of posts and derth of substance
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:59:40 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        You may or may not be intersted, but I just glanced at the news group
main directory, and took note of what groups have how many current posts.
        We have more posts than rec.music.classical.guitar, more than rec.music
.makers.bass, more than rec.music.industrial, and more than rec.music.gaffa. 
        However, we have less than rec.music.makers.synth or rec.music.gdead.

        What is really sad, is that I have found so little of substance on our
group to read that I am checking the number of posts on other groups, and
posting my findings!
From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U R Illiterate (was Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:04:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>"A Friend Like U" may be a fine album, but I don't want to pal around
>with anybody named U.  Maybe it's just a personal thing, but this
>too-hip spelling stuff really grates (or is that gr8s?) on me.  

>Other titles Geoff might want to U's 4 l8ter albums:

>"<Heart> Jesus B 4 U Die"
>"1nce I Wuz Blind N Now I C"
>"I C U 4 Whut U R"
>"Golly G I <Heart> U"

>Andy Whitman
>AT&t Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com

>"2 B R O 2 B, that is the ?"
>  -- William Shakespeare


I suggest you might want to avoid the Mike Roe/77's/7&7is album _More
Miserable Than You'll Ever Be_ which includes the song "U U U U."
Although, personally I find good music is worth obnoxious spellings.

By the way, do we have Prince to thank for all this, or was there someone
B4 him who felt the need to abbreviate two and three letter words?

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Daniel Amos, DA, etc. on CD?
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:26:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i8oriINNhjl
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

dexter@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Which Daniel Amos, DA, Swirling Eddies (etc.) recordings are available on CD, 
>and where can you get them?  I have Alarma!, Fearful Symmetry, and Darn Floor -
>Big Bite.  I'd love to find Horrendous Disk, Doppelganger and Vox Humana.

>Will someone please post a complete DA (etc.) discography?

>Thanks
>Rick Mundy

I, too, would like to see a discography. Anyone?

However, I can share the following on CD availability (in no particular
order):

Both Eddies discs (Let's Spin and Outdoor Elvis) are available on CD--
Alarma Records (part of Frontline I think). I would guess most stores
could get these for you.

Alternative Records and Stunt Records have put out two compilation discs:
_Shirley, Goodness, and Misery_ and _No Sense of History_. Both contain
previously unreleased DA material (as well as Steve Scott, 77's, and a
host of others).

Stunt Records also has: _DA-Live Bootleg '82_, _!Alarma!_, and 
_Doppelganger_.

Refuge Records just reissued _Vox Humana_.

And don't forget about the most recent DA release _Kalhoun_--Brainstorm
Artists Int'l.

There's also _Dr. Edward Daniel Taylor's Miracle Faith Telethon_, Terry
Taylor's "greatest hits" album that has a lot of strange versions of his
solo material, DA stuff, Eddies stuff, and some hysterical comedy bits.
It's not for everyone, but everyone should hear it at least once.

It is also rumored that a new Daniel Amos album is in the works--_Motor
Cycle_ I believe it is to be titled.

From what I read in the various mags, Horrendous Disc is not available on
CD and I have heard no rumors of that changing anytime soon

I think _Shotgun Angel_ can now be had on CD--but this may not even be a
Daniel Amos album.

I'm not sure about where to go for a lot of this stuff, but I know Alternative
and Stunt will mail directly to you.

Alternative Records
PO Box 1911
Vancouver, WA 98668

Stunt 
PO Box 20233
El Cajon, CA  92021

CDs are $14 at Alternative and $15 at Stunt.

Perhaps those of you with corrections and additions will jump in here?

By the way, since I hate to chunk down my money without knowing what I'm
getting, can anyone describe the style of music on Alarma! or Doppelganger.
I have both Eddies discs, Darn Floor, Kalhoun and Vox Humana. Are these others
the same (more or less)? Taylor can be rather eclectic--country to techno
pop to alternative--and I've both loved and hated what he's done.

Sorry this was so disorganized

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Holton, Jeffrey Boris 'Baboo')
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Accurate translations was (Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD)
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:42:08 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Dec28.205712.20440@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>Nope, Esquela's translation is a big mistake.  There's a fatal flaw in
>Esquela's theology because, quite obviously, God is a Ford man.  Always has
>been.  Chevies entered the world as a result of the Fall.  They are not
>part of God's redemptive plan, and will some day be swept away, along
>with Hyundais, Hondas, Toyotas, Lima beans, Madonna, and the ACLU.
>

Mmmm, true, Mr. Whitman.  It is recorded that the Lord drove them out of
the garden in His Fury, and if I'm not mistaken (admittedly, I do not
know cars well at all), the Fury was most definitely a Ford, but
perhaps to highlight His great change in character by the New Testament
(at least as monumental in the change of style by the time Saints John,
Paul, George, etc. came out with Sgt. Pepper's) was allowing the
disciples to be together in one Accord, most clearly a Japanese car.

Consider that.

>Andy Whitman
>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com

If someone already mentioned this, I'll be most embarrassed, won't I?

--Jeffrey Holton
hj46%lafyacs.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Subject: Kingdom Bound Highlight Video - I'm Still Waiting!!
Organization: Micronav International
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:46:08 GMT

I am still waiting for my Kingdom Bound Hihglight video to arrive in the 
mail.  The last time I called, they told me that there were delays and the 
tapes would be mailed around Christmas.  Has anyone received their copy 
yet?  Also, I was wondering if anyone knows what artists will be at Kingdom 
Bound '93. 

Thanks in advance!

Mike Mac Cormack
Micronav International Inc
P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
Sydport Industrial Park,
Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764
From: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (if God's your father then call home!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dusting Off The Shelves...
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:53:11 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

Mr Congeniality Of 1967 writes:
>Just to relate a neat personal experience...
>
>I work at WUOG, Athens GA's college radio station as DJ and Music Director
>....[lots of cool old lp's found deleted]
>....And just so you know that all "alternative" stations aren't the
>hotbeds of immorality that they're thought to be - earlier this year
>we had Breakfast With Amy and Fluffy in *Heavy* rotation - and were
>played at their peak an average of once a day. (The DJs really
>liked the Fluffy CD for some reason - probably 'cause it's a really
>good record!)
>

the prayer chain has broken medium rotation on the college radio station here
at rose...it found its way past the Christian DJ's and into the main stacks
by mistake (which i didn't have any problem with) and DJ's are playing it...

>Anyhow - let me get off my windbagginess... :)
>
>Joshua Houk
>-- 
>houk@athena.cs.uga.edu * indie-list co-moderator
>They call me a tomboy, and I love it.
>	- Bettie Serveert
clueless chuck				                     ___
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cjc@saturn.csm.uc.edu (Chris Chernesky)
Subject: White Heart in Dayton!!
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Distribution: oh
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:48:50 GMT

Hiya all!

Just wanted everyone in the Dayton, OH area to know that White Heart
along with Rachel Rachel and True 4 U will be in concert on February 7, 1993.

The concert will be at the Ervin J. Nutter Center in Fairborn, OH in
conjunction with a Dayton Dynamo professional indoor soccer game. The
game will be against the Witchita Wings and will start at 5:35p.m. The
concert will be immediately following the game and will be free of charge
with a paid admission to the soccer game.

Hope to see lots of you there!!!

Chris Chernesky
SysAdmin/Dynamo

cjc@saturn.csm.uc.edu
dynamo@wittenberg.edu
From: farmer@cs.utk.edu (SUSAN FARMER)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Whitecross (and hopefully others)
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:29:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: utkcs2.cs.utk.edu


I just got my husband Whitecross's _In the Kingdom_ for Christmas and he
*really* likes it, so I guess we'll be getting more Whitecross.

My questions:
   1) Which other Whitecross tapes are also good?  (I know with some artists
      this is a moot question, they can't make a bad album)
   2) Who are other artists of similar ilk that are as good or better?

Thanks yall.
Susan
-- 
Susan B. Farmer     farmer@cs.utk.edu     Lady Jerusha Kilgore     
I can't even find time to clean house and you want me to come up with a .sig?
     And now she wants to go back to grad school after 14 years .....  
     We'll let her out when the delusion passes.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)
Subject: What Harvest album has "The Battle Is the Lord's"???
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:55:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.032325.13644@news.acns.nwu.edu> smith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.202414.15132@news.stolaf.edu> hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist) writes:

>->it goes "Not with a sword to destroy, not with a shield to defend, not with
>->spear to kill, but in the name of the Lord, the battle is the Lord's".  
>
>i believe this is sung by Harvest.
>


Okay, I got that...now what album is it on, and is it available on CD?

--Andrea, Contrabass clarinetist extraordinaire???