From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan moving forward.....
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:20:27 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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Salam alaikum, Saad and everyone,
We were discussing the what needs to be done in pakistan...

>I am very impressed with and very hopeful about our PM.  The insecurity
>of a Third World upbringing, a fear of appearing naive and/or an
>irrational dislike of all things non-PPP keeps many of us from
>expressing our optimism in public.

Saad this is simply not a fair tactic :(  It does not help the
discussion to ascribe motivations to the people who disagree with
you.  In fact, I remember admonishing someone else for doing the
same to you (durning the "witchcraft" hearings:).  I assume that
the openions that you hold are sincere.  It would be nice if you
did the same for others.  I want to learn from your openions about
our PM, there would be no point to this discussion if I automaticaly
dismissed them using any of the above excuses -- that they were
an irrational anti-PPP propoganda, for example)

Here is a partial list of other reasons why someone may not
share your  enthusiasm:

-They have come to an informed conclusion that the damage that he
 has done far outweighs the good.
-Someone may have personal beliefs about ethical conduct of 
 elected officials that dont reflect well on the PM, even if 
 the numbers do look good.
-To someone the numbers may not look good.  To use an example from
 American business, is NS pulling a Bill Gates (real production) of
 is he pulling a Donald Trump by leveraging out?
-Someone may be hoping for NS to do well but has not see enough
 news reports to announce optamism.
-A person may be very optamistic about Pakistan, but not about the
 same things as you are.  For example, others may find encouragement in:
 - The women's struggle against oppression in Pakistan.
 - The reaching out to the ex-Soviet Asian republics and Iran etc.
 - The decision by some to take the message of Islam to the young
   in a language that they would understand [funkadelic, if that is
   what it takes :) ]  -- see Nusrat F.A. Khan on the Sufi side, and
   the new head of the Jamat on the side of orthodoxy.
   e.t.c


The point is that it could be any number of reasons.  The only way
we can have a meanigful discussion is by assuming sincerity on both
sides.

>Nobody wants to sound stupid,
>and to many of us the notion that a toilet like Pakistan is
>actually developing is simply low-IQ hyperbole.  Well, count me
>amongst the retards. 

Why such a defensive posture?  Nobody has called you a retard, or
Pakistan a toilet (although someone did call its entire electorate
Nianderthal :).  What is to be gained by ascribing such rudeness
and pettiness to the opposing argument?


>This guy is right for us.  His administration
>has launched an active program in several different areas.  He
>knows the value of manufacturing.  He wants to minimize the cancer
>of domicile quotas.  Now if only the Neanderthal electorate can
>keep itself from giving Master Asif's party another majority ....

I want to learn.  Tell me the exactly what is working and what is
not.  I am not interested in a NS Vs. BB argument.

With peace,

j n a
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