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From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:37:14 GMT

>squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes:
>> Maybe you should stop going to 'raves' , nah , in fact STOP going 
>> immediatley , in fact , People of America , stop this guy going , or I 
>> predict that within the next couple of months , you will all be as bitter 
>> as me :-) when he destroys your weekend's fun.

What a sad and silly fellow this chap is. Someone else's good time is going
to ruin his good time? I've never heard something so against the spirit of
partying. 

Even if it were true it would only mean that he was in the wrong place.
It isn't hard to find 'real underground raves'. At least it isn't if
you have any friends.

But lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>the reason I have no interest in the rave scene.  You demonstrate quite 
>effectively that it's no longer any different from any other scene: 

Oh dear. Look kids, can't you just lighten up and play with the rest of us? 
Raves are about fun - forget about:

>lots of attitude-drunk loudmouths who are more interested in pissing 
>out their territories than simply letting people enjoy whatever music they 
>happen to enjoy.  

I mean, if you ignore them they will cease to exist. Just go along and smile
and you will be accepted. Don't rain on anyone's parade, do good to people,
and you will be amazed at the good they do you.

>If anything's destroying the scene it's *that*, not the 
>fact that some people like bubblegum techno.

Do you really think that 'the scene' can be destroyed? Raves are made of
ravers, and ravers are committed to fun. With that many committed people, fun 
never dies. It keeps changing and moving, but it never, ever, dies. 

-- 
Internet: pete@extro.su.oz.au             UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!munnari!extro!pete
                       I am a large pond is a small fish.
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Magazines (was Re: SASSY rave article)
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:23:22
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
	<1992Dec29.034303.2368@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:43:03 GMT

I'm coming way late to this, but I have to agree with Mike. The Sassy
article was interesting to me because it seemed to come from someone who
didn't come with a completely upturned nose and at least made the attempt
to point out where she was biased. She had some observations, pointed out
why she didn't like the rave, (and not why raves are awful, distinct
difference), and ended it at that.

I think this kind of piece sometimes rouses people because it points out
that underground scenes are, gee underground, and don't extrapolate to the
general populace no matter how much love, peace, happiness, and coolness
they have.

She came, she saw, she wasn't thrilled. There's no crime in that.

--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Roadkill!
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:29:28 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.

In article <oVD2wB1w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us>, mixmastr@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
|> Has anyone checked out the latest issue of Roadkill.  The issue # is 1.03 
|> and it fucking WORKS....I guess it is put out by the same people that do 
|> Hot Tracks, but there is noooo Top 40 here.  Breakbeat stuff, some 
|> ambient, and of course hard grinding stuff predominate.  Check out 1st 
|> the mixes of "Dildo" by Interactive & "Hardcore Heaven" by D.J. 
|> Seduction.....very slammin' stuff....
|> 
|> Peace................
|> 
|> B.T.W.  I am going to Dallas January 11-16, anything happening down there 
|> at the time????  PLease E-Mail me as I won't be checking Net postings...
|> 
|> __________________________________________________________________________
|>    |       /         |\
|>    | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ mixmastr@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]

-- 

	Hey ,no flame ,as  DJ Seduction isn't exactly offensive stuff ... but I
don't know about the states , but it's 'Top 40' stuff in the UK at any rate :-)

see ya,
Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development
(Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... )
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) <bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:34:41 GMT

heh, I spake too soon.  thanks, geoff.

	Brian
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" <DZ5401A@american.edu>
Subject:      Re: ComeUniverse becoming private
Organization: The American University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:14:12 GMT

hold on about suscribing to dcraves!!!!!!

the main list owner (susie k) had no net access over vacation and was
not ablt to maintain the list, so the listserv management put the
list on temporary hold until she regains control over her e-mail
700+ letters.

ill mail back to the list when dcraves is back up and running again.
sorry bout this
doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race (((((
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Techno
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:46:13 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
In article <1993Jan10.184315.27839@rose.com>, greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
|> 
|> Date Entered: 01-10-93 13:39
|> Quoted From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
|> > 
|> >         You can almost divide up all people into different musical
|> > groups. There are people who will listen to whatever's popular, and
|> > there are people who listen to what THEY want to listen to. Music for
|> > me is something very special, very mooving...
                                        ^^^^^

	BAAAAH !    (sorry , the dog made me do it :-) 

|> Techno, I feel, can evoke more of an emotional response than any 
|> lyrically-based form of music.  The sounds can take one down, or bring 
|> one up to a crazed dancing frame of mind.  If I listen to some of my 
|> other music (stuff like 'Catherine Wheel', or 'The Stone Roses', or 
|> 'Revolver'), I can't get quite as much out of the song.  I think 
|> possibly I'll phase this other music out eventually -- not really 
|> conciously, but because I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I 
|> do rave/techno stuff, so I am listening to it less and less.  You need 
|> not adopt the writers opinion of the what the music means (through the 
|> lyrics) with rave and techno -- you add your own, and that can be 
|> different for every person.  One of the keys to the rave culture is 
|> individuality, and that's what this music represents (among other 
|> things).
|> 
|> > agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
|> > tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
|> >
|> 
|> rev@cibbs.uucp / greg.ipp@rose.com
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	"Hey man , Techno really addresses those issues which other music can't
reach ..." what crap is this "techno can evoke more ... emotional response..." ?

You trying to tell me that , for instance, "The Velvet Underground" , "Jimmy
Hendrix" , "The 13th floor Elevators" , "Hawkwind" ,were never designed to be
listened to either tripping out of your face or completely stoned ?
Even if you weren't , the music was a bloody rollercoaster journey through your
own conciousness ..... hey , good dance music has the exact same effect on me ,
but you would be (are) totally wrong to even suggest that 'Techno' is the first
type of music to do this ..... tell me , what have "My bloody Valentine" being
doing for the last 10 (?) years , along with Primal Scream , and Spacemen 3 for
instance ...

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development
(Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... )
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: elombard@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Eddie Lombardi)
Subject: Breakbeat
Keywords: breakbeat
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:24:44 GMT

Hi!

I'm looking for some excellent breakbeat compilations.
Can anyone recomend some.  

I also have a question.  Here in Toronto a few of the rave organizations
are starting to have raves woth 2 rooms.  A hardcore room and a trance/house,etc
room.  Is this happenning in other parts of the world as well.  Actually the type
of music in the second rooms is often called "happee" rave tunes.  I know there
is an organization in Engalnd called Raindance that has had raves like the one 
decribed above.  Also is everyone as sick as I am of hardcore. When I first heard it
I really like but know it seems 90% of shit and very repetetive(sp?).

Anyway I'd like to here your recomendations/comments


Eddie
From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:26:09 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1993Jan08.201011.23180@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>It's the same with MuchMusic ... if they played a constant stream of 
>techno, they would lose most of their audience.  Speaking of which, I 
>just saw the new 808 State video (with UB40), which was really 
>excellent.  The tune is decidedly rave-inspired (you even have people 
>getting chased from a location by the police).
>

We need a college fiber optic network... Radio shows for the whole US!
:-)

That 808state/UB40 song is pretty good!

"I am a one in ten, a number on a list, I am a one in ten, even though
I don't exist... nobody knows me, even though I'm always there, just a
statistical reminder of a world that doesn't care..."

Cool eh?

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:53:41 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1993Jan08.201015.23241@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>Why not output the sound from the audio jack into a tape player and 
>press record?  I know it works on my IBM, and I doubt the whole idea 
>of the thing is very different from the Amiga.  BTW: how do you 
>suggest I get my MODs distributed electronically?  I have no access to 
>an FTP site, and there aren't any boards around here that are 
>strictly based around MODs (unless anybody has a (416) number for me. 
>I only call two places in any case, so what would I know?).

I run a board here in 619 that kinda specializes in modules, demos,
and other cool stuff for the IBM and recently the Amiga (what a cool
machine!) so if you want to upload it here...

Metro Holografix:
(619)277-9016
14.4k HST
oodles of MODs, demos, and other neat-o nifty stuff for the PC and
amiga...

>The two MODs I have released so far (ie. in the last two weeks I've 
>been into this): _Rennur (kennedy remix)_, and _Give (house mix)_.  If 
>anybody has seen these anywhere, I'd really like to know.  I uploaded 
>them to Rose Media (here), which means a large amount of exposure.

I want to hear 'um!

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:43:41 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-10-93 19:38
Quoted From: hmo@wam.umd.edu (Hipno House)
> 
> My feelings exactly!  I go to raves because they play the latest techno
> tunes, nonstop.  I dance and enjoy the music.  I could care less about
> acid, X, laughing gas, whatever, it's your perogative.  However, it's 
> that shit that is ruining the reputation of raves.  What we need are 
> clean drug-free raves.  If you can't dance without drugs, then that means
> you can't hang with the music.  You should learn to enjoy it without any
> additional help.  It's for your own good.  If you want to rave forever,
> then decrease the drugs, the sooner the better.
> 
> <stuff about commercialization deleted>
>
> Well, that's it.  This is all my opinion of course, and if you do not 
> agree, that's why you didn't write it.
> 
> Rave, rave, a little longer.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>      Haluk                            "Better mixes than Betty Crocker"  
>  hmo@wam.umd.edu                           --CLUB 95 on WPGC 95.5--
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>

There is a point where I have to say you're taking this too far.  Come 
on, isn't the idea to let everybody do whatever they want?  How can 
you sit around and worry about reputations and that shit?  It's all 
really pathetic, and it ruins the whole idea of freedom of choice.  If 
you don't like ravers, then why not just go to an underground club? 
They have all the latest techno at most of them.  Plus you can spend 
your time with drunk club-goers, who enjoy the idea of bashing the 
hell out of their peers, because of the way they dress or act. At 
least most of them aren't on drugs.  But if I want to do E, or LSD, or 
whatever, then in what way does this bother you?  Why do you think 
the reputation of raves is so integral to how people perceive you?  I 
don't care if you, or anybody else does or doesn't do drugs.

rev@cibbs.uucp / greg.ipp@rose.com
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu ()
Subject: Re: Journey Through the Hardcore [Phase 2] / Detroit, 2 January
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:12:29 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Followup-To: alt.rave

In article <1993Jan4.235434.18599@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger) wrote:
> JEFF MILLS : this guy was *screaming* ! if you hadn't guessed by now ,
> my taste in techno leans toward hard(core) , fast , acid , intense . JM
> was all of the above , and then some . ideal , in fact , to get the
> audience revved up for :

Just to add my vote for Jeff Mills as a drug. Totally addicting. He adds
drum beats to the mix by pounding on the record !  

-
fred                      wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu
-
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:37:52 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

peter@cs.umbc.edu (Pete Johansson) writes:

> The net is a rather daunting place when you first enter it.  Hundreds of 
> thousands of people all arround the world typing something on the order 
> of 10 million characters per day.  Kind of gives new meaning to the 
> definition of crowded.

Yeah, but if you accidentally bump into some guy's girlfriend on the net,  
he's a lot less likely to follow you home and shoot out your porch light.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tinoco@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Antera Tinoco)
Subject: Re: rave?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:16:40 GMT



   Hey wow, I got to see the Smart E's perform at a club I frequent in
Dallas last Wednesday, Dec. 30th.  They played "Sesame's Treet" and two 
other songs.  At closer inspection of the group, I noticed that the 
keyboard player was pretending to play to the music.  There was a lot of 
fog machine action.  When they were done with those three songs, they 
left the stage, but later returned to function as MCs and pump up the 
crowd by the lead guy (I am unfamiliar with his name) yelling "Oh yeah!  
Mother fucking yeah!" and waving his arms.  It was a very energetic 
performance, and my friends and I thought it was cool that they hung 
around, but my overall opinion was that it was just okay.  A local group
opened up for them, the Sons of Soul, and I was more impressed with them.
It was kind of funny--whoever printed up the flyers for the concert had put
on them: "Performing Live - the Smart D's!"  Someone had gone back on all 
of them and marked out the D and put an E next to it.  

Antera
From: orb@carson.u.washington.edu (Kyle Farrell)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: I Want a Cigarette
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:25:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I'm not sure, but I think I found a backwards message in Messiah's "There is
No Law".  In a couple of parts in one of the mixes (I'm not sure which mix-
its a white label 12"), it plays the sample "There is No Law", then plays it
backwards.  Just for fun, I played that backwards, but the part that was 
originally forward said something like "I want a cigarette"...It's probably
just my overactive imagination, but I'm pretty sure it did say cigarette.
Anyone else find backwards messages on techno records???  
-Kyle
From: mixer@phoenix.apana.org.au (Brad Morton)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Aussie Techno
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:47:46 +1000
Organization: Phoenix ComSystem
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au
Keywords: techno

Anyone interested in starting up a chat about Australian raves?

Not raves produced in Australia, but raves In Australia...

Anyone welcome to chat about techno though....
From: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:37:33 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan12.214924.6384@rose.com>, greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 01-12-93 16:42
>> <original message a responses deleted>
>>
>> I thought this was so ridiculous that everyone should read this again.
>> 
>> Me personally, I think this response is what is disillusioning me from the rave
>> scene and causing me to think its just the same as the all College Radio 
>> elites...
>> 
>>         BS
>> 
>
>  I don't know if I agree with you totally.  Sure, the guy who wrote 
>the ridiculous response is deserving of some negative vibing, but he 
>is of a distinct minority.  He is one of the self-proclaimed 'original 
>hardcore ravers'.  How many of these people do you really find at a 
>rave?  Has this guy ever actually been to one himself?  Maybe the 
>whole point to his writing the message was to generate some heavy 
>feedback (it has been done...).  It really deserves to be ignored I 
>guess.  If people make it clear that this attitude is unwanted, 
>he will either eventually decide to change his holyier-than-thou 
>point of view, or he'll stop raving when him and his friends decide it 
>has become too popular (that one is inevitable), or too boring for 
>them.
>  In any case, my point is that the scene is still mainly made up of 
>nice, friendly people, even if all some want out of it is the musical 
>aspect (absolutely nothing wrong with that), and not the whole 
>unity(tm) deal (we've seen examples of this in previous threads).

Yea, you are of course right. In houston our raves are really small
and they have had there share of troubles (people blowing bullets outside
for one). And even perhaps sometimes it seems that 70% of the people are
more intent standing around watching and acting beautiful.. and the people
even serve alcohol here and they DONT serve mountain dew (the best thing
ever). BUT.. the 10-15 people who regularly go are genuinely nice and it
seems that there are a group of people who will talk to each other w/out
fear of being hit on, but just for the sake of being nice, something 
noticably absent in the clubs i've been too. (Many clubs here seem to
cater to the accountant who is 25 not married making 35k and looking to
get laid) but it is because of these 10-15 people and the music that it
is all worth it.

	Who knows? maybe the commercialization of Rave culture
	will make people be nicer to each other

	BS
	(still dreaming)
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:28:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan10.221415.23331@netcom.com> howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
>The only people who will criticize your musical tastes are either hopeless
>poseurs or net.geeks who post things they'd never, ever have the guts
>to say to someone's face.  

So funny but so true!  But I digress . . . .

>If somehow you feel that raves are
>populated by elitist assholes or by ultra spiritual people like
>describe in your first paragraph, 

I've been to about 15 raves in the North Eastern US over the past six months
and have not encountered either group.  Well, a very few individuals of each
description, but the vast majority of the people are just, well, there.  They 
dance, they talk, they do whatever.  It's great!

>Also keep in mind that different cities have different styles of
>'rave' music...East Coast raves play different music than West Coast
>raves which are different than UK raves etc...

Yep.  I ran into some girl in Boston who was from San Diego.  I got the
impression from her that they've gone very much to house/breakbeat/
progressive house out that way.  She said about a rave she was helping to
put on in the Boston area "we won't have any of that techno stuff played
at our rave."  And then she handed out a very odd blue flyer that I think
the crystal-rubbing faction would have enjoyed.  Is this typical of
California?  Just curious.  We're a lot more "tight-minded" back East about
such things.

Even in different areas of the North Eastern US different music gets played.
Boston (MA)/Portland (ME) is very in to breakbeat, house, and progressive
house.  Upstate New York is in to trance, deep trance, and ambient.  New
York City is into hardcore, fast hard acid trance, and acid house -- but
I've heard EVERYTHING played at New York area raves.  Long Island is going
to deep trance and progessive house.  One promoter in the Baltimore area is 
very into hardcore, while another isn't.

Laura
From: terjesa@ifi.uio.no (Terje Sannum)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: SWEDEN
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:13:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: terjesa@yrsa.ifi.uio.no

Looks like I'm going to Gothenburg this weekend, so I need info
on raves, clubs, conserts etc.

Please mail me ASAP, or call my pager +47 96-78107.

-Terje (terjesa@ifi.uio.no)
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From: st1qb@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: MBM - Mindstream
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:17:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1qb@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

I heard there was a CD single out of Meat Beat Manifesto's
_Mindstream_ with re-mixes by Moby, Orbitial, and more.
I cant seem to find this in any of my local shops.  And since
I first saw something about it here, I thought I would ask for
more info.  Is it domestic (USA) or importwhat label, etc.
 
Thanks, and take care.

David
st1qb@jetson.uh.edu

Z
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