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From: wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker
Summary: No Ecotopia please.
Keywords: ecotopia pnw free government none maybe just less
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 04:50:58 PDT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:

> In article <1992Aug8.070004.18657@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.co
> >In article <1992Aug7.212502.24868@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Stern
> >>	The also have my favorite bumpersticker, "There's No Government
> >>Like No Government."
> >
> >"Anarchy may not be the best form of government but it's better than
> >no government at all!"
> [...]
> 
> Arise, free spirits!  I herewith declare the Free Community of Ecotopia!
> Bugger off, Washington DC! :)

     Ecotopia, as described in the books by Ernest Callenbach, was a 
really poor and unworkable system IMO ( no H there ).  Some of the ideas 
were good but there were alot of real dogs too.  Still I wouldn't object 
to a little disolution.  

     Ken Wood



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From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Anti-war meeting: Monday August 24
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:18:14 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


 > Dear fellow peace and justice activists,
 etc.

I'm just curious about something: why have we heard nothing from the anti-war
community about the American incremental involvement in the Yugoslavian civil
war. Are they waiting until we actually send in the troops? Seems like that
would be a tad too late by then.

Anyway, I'm not taking sides on this possible issue. I'm just wondering what
the reasoning is, or if the gulf war outcome had the pacifists all subdued. ;-)

-- 
 Bob Hall,                 | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
 Workstation Peripheral    | Then give up. No use being a damn fool about it."
 Boeing Computer Services  |                                     -Groucho Marx
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: crichar@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Richardson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: test
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:54:43 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


testing...
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mcbride@rust.zso.dec.com (Melinda McBride)
Subject: Misconceptions about gays and lesbians (was Re: Female wanted)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215000.20919@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.173943.2640@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
>>
>>I believe a person has every right to be choosey about whom they live with.
>>Calling this gender discrimination is ridiculous.  If it is discrimination,
>>then we're probably all very guilty of it.  I happen to discriminate against
>>homosexuals and child molestors when I choose a baby-sitter.
>
> Yeah, those two are one and the same, right?! Gotta keep them fags away
>from the kids...
>
>You make me sick.
>
>Al Billings
>Straight but not afraid of Gays
>

While I wouldn't express my sentiments exactly the way Mr. Billings did,
I can't let Mr. Wille's statement go by without comment.  Not especially
nowdays when a certain political party feels free to put anti-gay planks
in its platform and the Oregon Citizens Alliance is doing brisk business
attacking gays.  Any straight person who's taken the trouble to get to
know gay men and lesbian women realizes that they are exactly the same
in every important way as straight people, with only one small
difference: who they fall in love with.  Since straight people are
pretty diverse, one should expect to find the same range of diversity in
gays and lesbians, and bisexual men and women for that matter,
stereotypes not withstanding.  Sure, if you look hard enough you could
probably find an example of a child molester who was a homosexual, but
you would find many, many more examples of child molesters who were
heterosexual.  The babysitter who molested me was the straight, clean-cut,
church-going, all-American boy next door.  My parents had no idea.

It makes me sad when I see "homosexual"  and "child molester" juxtaposed
like that.  I hope that someday such expressions will be as
unaccecptable as the phrase "lazy nigger" is now, and that my gay and
lesbian friends and acquaintances will be able to live their lives without
continually being exposed to hate and bigotry.



Mac
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.184137.10332@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.201425.15591@fnx.uucp>, jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala) writes:
>> In <1992Aug17.025007.16709@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>> 
>
>     Jack, I'm glad you are impressed because keeping something online for ten
>years has required a substantial amount of dedication and work.
>
>     And I guess I assumed most people would expect normal maintainance, but
>what I really meant, to clarify, is that we've never been unavailable for any
>substanial period of time.  Generally replacing components doesn't take three

  Bob, you've had downtimes measured in weeks over the past years.  You and
I both know that several times when you've had hard disk failures, 
equipment failures or have changed platforms that you've had the
entire system or major portions of it unavailable.  Come on now; while 
my record isn't perfect, neither is yours.  

  Bruce
Xref: sparky seattle.general:2619 pnw.general:1827
From: jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:25 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: I/Ovations

In <1992Aug17.025007.16709@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:

>     If you'd like to try Eskimo North call (XXX) XXX-XXXX and login as "new"
>and we'll set up an account.  Eskimo North has been online for more than ten
>years now.  The reliable alternative...

Wow, I'm impressed.  I've never seen another system, or even heard of
another system, that has been online for ten years.  How do you do it?
Do you have some method of replacing disk drives and stuff while the
system is powered up and online?  What kind of operating system still
works after 10 years?  Or did you figure out a way to do an in-memory
upgrade of the operating system while staying online?  I heard you
changed over to a new platform not too long ago, that must have been a
real trick!  I mean, did you just sort of quickly swap in a new CPU
chassis?  Like, jerk the cables from the drives and modems and shove
them into the new CPU before any of those pesky electrons fell on the
floor?  C'mon, share, I'd really like to increase the reliability of this
system.  It just can't seem to stay online for more than a few months at
a time...

-- 
Jack Pospyhala                                    uunet!pilchuck!fnx!jp
There is no gravity, the world sucks...
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: smithgt@zoocolortv.zoology.washington.edu (Troy Smith)
Subject: Airline ticket:  Seattle --> Denver or Colorado Springs
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:27:37 GMT

One way Airline ticket Seattle --> Denver or Colorado Springs
September 7
$75
Respond via e-mail (smithgt@zoology.washington.edu)
Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general
From: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan "infamous" Lee)
Subject: Need ride to SF Bay area
Followup-To: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:08:33 GMT

Hi,

I have to cancel my flight to San Jose because of a friend's wedding.
And so I need a ride to San Jose (or around the Bay area) on or after
Aug. 30.  I can share the drive and gas.  Thanks.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Starlight
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:04:27 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


	Star light, star brite, how far must I go to see a star to night?
 
If I wanted to see the stars in the night sky without interference from the
light of the city, Seattle>Eastside; How far must I go to see them? 
The Passes, further? The coast?     


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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,rec.music.indian.classical
From: pn8f@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Padmini Narayan)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215000.20919@u.washington.edu>, mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.173943.2640@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
> >
> >I believe a person has every right to be choosey about whom they live with.
> >Calling this gender discrimination is ridiculous.  If it is discrimination,
> >then we're probably all very guilty of it.  I happen to discriminate against
> >homosexuals and child molestors when I choose a baby-sitter.
> 
>  Yeah, those two are one and the same, right?! Gotta keep them fags away
> from the kids...
> 
> You make me sick.
> 
> Al Billings
> Straight but not afraid of Gays
> 


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GUYS,

If you have not realized already, this news group is meant for discussions regarding
MUSIC. I have noticed that you have a bunch of newsgroups that you are distributing
your postings. If you inadvertently had RMIC in there, please remove it for such discus
sions
as the above. I understand your need to voice your opinions, but there are other
newsgropus for that, and this newsgroup (RMIC) is hardly appropriate for that.

Thanks
Padmini
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From: oshea@fungus.zso.dec.com (Kate O'Shea)
Subject: pnw.general
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:45:45 GMT

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    family.  So, we are selling our condo on Lake Union (Eastlake
    neighborhood; 2301 Fairview Avenue East).  
    
    This is a fabulous place to live for single folks or professional couples. 
    It is central to everything: 5 minutes to downtown Seattle, 2 minutes to 
    I5, 7 minutes to I90 or 520.  To get from the condo to the Overlake area
    of Bellevue takes me 20 minutes.  Highlights:
    
    + 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 balconies, 1400 sq. ft.
    + Wonderful view of Lake Union, Gas Works Park, sunsets behind the
      Aurora bridge, floating homes and sailboats
    + Secure parking
    + Heated outdoor pool with Seattle skyline view (pool is open from 
      late spring to early fall)
    + Absolute front row seats for Fratelli's 4th of July fireworks
    + Neighborhood supermarket across the street with best wine selection
      in all of Seattle (Pete's)
    + Listed at $249,950
    
    Living here has allowed us to easily take advantage of what Seattle has
    to offer:  concerts, the zoo, parks, Seattle Center, great restaurants. 
    For more information, or to see the condo, please contact Dirk Bouwer 
    or Suzanne Lambalot at William Bain Associates, 
    283-5200.
Xref: sparky seattle.general:2668 pnw.general:1848
From: wood@eisley.wa.com (Ken Wood)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Summary: Even when Problari is on line it's service sucks!
Keywords: Bruceki problari poor service feed
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 00:26:04 PDT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:

> markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
> 
> > I got some e-mail from Bruce King saying he'll be back up by Wednesday or
> > so.  He said he went to reduce the number of phone lines he was carrying
> > from 16 to 12, and US West unhooked the wrong ones (i.e. the ones with the
> > main phone #'s).
> > 
> I don't think this explanation will hold water.  I have the list of all
> of polari's phone number's and all 16 of his data lines AND his
> voice line were all disconnected.  Now I know we have all had trouble
> with US West at one time or another, but disconnecting ALL of a 
> customer's lines by mistake seems a little unlikely.
> 
> Anyhow, it wasn't just his main numbers at the top of the ringdown
> sequence.  ALL of his numbers were disconnected.
> 

     Wendor's was generous.  I won't spare Bruce.  His so called service 
sucks.  We were paying based on the number of groups we recieved not 
traffic level.  Three of the groups we were getting fed never got any 
traffic on them.  None ever.  Since we have changed the source of our 
feed all three of these groups have gotten traffic within the first 48 
hours.  There are no more 3-5 day mail delays or warning messages for 
"undeliverable" mail.  Our mail actually even gets to it's source.  
Imagine that.  When we first signed on with Problari they were jsut 
feeding us Seattle.* and pnw.*.  When we tried to start the regular feed 
they managed to stopp feeding us anything.  It took a month to sort this 
out.  Of course they still charged for the time.  Problari may come back 
on line but I think we're pretty well fed up with it.  I really can't 
figure out why anyone would stick with them when there are several better 
alternatives out there for comperable prices.  

     Ken Wood



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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Stereo Lithography Query
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:48:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.154947.18355@u.washington.edu> flanagan@grover (Jim Flanagan) writes:
>
>  I think what you refer to may be slightly different. Stereo lithography
>  is the process of extruding 3D models from a vat of UV hardened goop.
>  CAD data in, little plastic model out.

Never mind...        :-)

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From: crichar@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Richardson)
Subject: testing again...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: wa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:00:29 GMT


testing again...
Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,rec.music.indian.classical
From: ashok@cs.washington.edu (Immaneni Ashok)
Subject: Appreciation of Indian Classical Music and Dance
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:06:29 GMT


	Society for the Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture 
		    Amongst Youth (SPIC-MACAY), Seattle presents

 LECTURE-DEMONSTRATION ON THE APPRECIATION OF INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC AND DANCE

			   SPEAKER:   MR. A.M.SUNDARAM

	Mr. Sundaram is a musicologist from Madras, India. 
	Along with Mr. T.S. Parthasarathy (secretary of Music Academy, Madras),
	he has compiled a book on "The Index of Bharatnatyam Compositions." 
	He is currently compiling another book on "The Composers of Karnataka 
	Music." Mr. Sundaram is associated with the Fine Arts Foundation of 
	India, a trust based in Madras for the promotion of Bharatnatyam and 
	Karnataka music, and for the promotion of young artists.

		----------------------------------------------------
		| Date: Monday, August 24, 1992			   |
		| Time: 7:30 pm					   |
		| Venue: Brechemin Auditorium (Music Bldg.)        |
		|        University of Washington, Seattle         |
		----------------------------------------------------

Program: 

    o Documentary on Indian Classical Dance forms
    o Lecture on the appreciation of Bharatanatyam
 	Mr. Sundaram will explain the basic foot steps and the hand gestures 
	that are used to compose the dance items. This will be followed by a 
	demonstration of typical dance items. 
    o Lecture on the appreciation of Karnataka Music
	The basic formulation of Raga and Tala will be explained. The 
	difference between the treatment of a Raga in Hindustani and Karnataka
	schools of music will be demonstrated. 

Demonstrations by: 	Malani Raman (Bharatanatyam)
			Immaneni Ashok (Karnataka Vocal)
			Sharad Gadre (Hindustani Vocal)


			  ***** ALL ARE INVITED *****
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: How do you get fast police action?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:52:26 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Aug17.153645.27176@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>
>Well, you know what the police priorities are these days.
>They are all out doing highly visible, glamorous, easy stuff
>that has a high return for effort expended (even though it
>backfires sometimes, like the Everett SWAT team that killed
>that lady).
>-- 

Oh come on Kurt get off it - what makes you such an expert on the day
in the life of a policeman?  Perhaps before you're so quick to criticize
you should spend a few nights out on patrol dealing with people who don't
give a damn about anything.  People who would just as soon cut you as look
at you.  People who spit in your face and vomit on you.  Come home from
work with with a few black eyes and fat lips, and dislocated joints.
Attend a few funerals of co-workers who were killed while doing their job,
and wonder if you're going to make it till retirement.
Yeah, all real glamorous, easy stuff.

My father is a policeman - has been for 25 years, and I can tell you
you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  As you like to say
Kurt... next time think before you post.




-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
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From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Summary: Weeks?
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:14:34 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

In article <1992Aug21.081518.27998@polari>, bruceki@polari.online.com writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.184137.10332@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug17.201425.15591@fnx.uucp>, jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala) writes:
> >> In <1992Aug17.025007.16709@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
> >> 
> >
> >     Jack, I'm glad you are impressed because keeping something online for ten
> >years has required a substantial amount of dedication and work.
> >
> >     And I guess I assumed most people would expect normal maintainance, but
> >what I really meant, to clarify, is that we've never been unavailable for any
> >substanial period of time.  Generally replacing components doesn't take three
> 
>   Bob, you've had downtimes measured in weeks over the past years.  You and
> I both know that several times when you've had hard disk failures, 
> equipment failures or have changed platforms that you've had the
> entire system or major portions of it unavailable.  Come on now; while 
> my record isn't perfect, neither is yours.  
> 
>   Bruce

     Bruce, I've never had an outage lasting more than about a day and a half,
and that happened twice, once when I moved to a different telephone exchange,
and once when we lost a power supply.

     The times I've lost drives it has never put Eskimo North out of service.
We have operated with shorter News expiration times when we lost a drive, and
we cut from one platform to another when we lost a drive.

     Eskimo North has NEVER had outages measured in weeks.
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From: witters@tc.fluke.COM (John Witters)
Subject: Re: Starlight
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:03:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.020427.17158@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
>
>	Star light, star brite, how far must I go to see a star to night?
> 
>If I wanted to see the stars in the night sky without interference from the
>light of the city, Seattle>Eastside; How far must I go to see them? 
>The Passes, further? The coast?     

Alaska!

(I'm only half joking here.  I do a lot of backpacking, and I've seen skyglow
from the cities in every wilderness area I've visited.)

-John

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