HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: reinitz-john@cs.yale.edu (John Reinitz)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Is Macedonia a Greek province?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:52:59 -0500
Organization: none
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyaya.systemsz.cs.yale.edu
Summary: Revanchism contiues to rule

In article <1993Jan21.034845.29281@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>In article <1jk74rINNpi@NYAYA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU>, reinitz-john@cs.yale.edu (John Reinitz) writes:

>|> is recognized? What policy should Greece take then?
>
>Whatever it is it will be peaceful as always. 
>
Hmmm.... like Basil I, the Bulgar-slayer? Good business for 
those making computer interfaces for the visually handicapped.

[Basil sent the Bulgarian army back with 9/10 soldiers blinded,
the tenth with one eye. I'm sure you know this, Aleck, but others may not]


>|> Where do you think the borders of Greece should lie? As under Alexis II?
>|> As under Basil II? Or Heraclius or Alexander?
>
>They should lie where they are. What type of a question is that???? 
>
One motivated by Cyprus [recently], and Smyrna and the W. coast of
Anatolia in the 1920's. I have no sense from listening to Hellenic
political statement that Greece is at all happy with her current borders.

>|> The answer is that I think the stand taken by Greece is absurd.
>|> It is equivalent to the United States of America not recognizing
>|> the United States of Mexico.
>|>     ^^^^^  ^^^^^  ^^ ^^^^^^
>
>You're WAY off. Ill give you a much better example. Its like Mexico gets 
>partitioned and the northern section of it decides to call itself Texas. 
>They call themselves Texans and they start talking of an oppressed 
>minority of Texans in the United States who are not allowed to 
>speak their native language. They issue money with pictures 
>from Dallas and Houston and they talk about one day uniting all of Texas.
>Get the picture?  
>

There are some people in S. CA and Texas now who advocate returning
these territoties to Mexico. It has not affected diplomatic relations.

>|> Chauvinist sentimentality can lead to cities reduced to rubble.
>
>And historical ignorance can lead one to make a fool of himself in public. 

Yes, ALECK, it can. Try WWI on for size.

> 
>|> John
>
>Aleck
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:53:03 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.052537.27668@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> o    "I am Alexander of Macedon ...  I have a  great  concern  of
>      the  whole  of Greece.  I am a Greek and my Hellenic descent
>      can be traced back for generations. I wouldn't like  to  see
>      Greece loosing her freedom ..." [Herodotus, IX, 45]
> 
>      (Note: With this phrase, Alexander I, king of  Macedon,  and
>      ancestor  of  Alexander the Great, introduced himself to the
>      Athenian generals prior to the battle  of  Plataea,  in  479
>      B.C.)

We all know that the Macedonian dynasty called the Argeads traced their
ancestry back to Argos (we don't need to believe this of course after
all the ancient Greek writer Appian certainly didn't). However this says
nothing at all about the rest of the Macedonians. Isocrates, a
pro-Macedonian Greek, accepts that the Argeads were Greek (but then he
would wouldn't here) but goes on to say his people weren't Greeks. So
even pro-Macedonian Greeks couldn't find it in their hearts to say the
Macedonians were Greeks.

Andy
From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: NEWS FROM  U.N.
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:52:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news.macedonia
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1959@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, phssvb@emory.edu (Spiros V. Branis) writes...
>  
> Bulgaria, which once included present day Macedonia, has recognized the
> country frontiers but not the existence of a separate state within them. 

Just the contrary, Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the Republic of
Macedonia (which is "a separate state") more than a year ago.

> 
> As a result there are fears that any fresh outbreak of ethnic unrest among the
> regions Albanian minority might be seized as a pretext  by nationalists in
> Bulgaria to press for annexation of the rest of Macedonia to recreate a 
> greater Bulgaria. 

I don't believe the idea of 'national re-union' has any basis and any 
popularity in Bulgaria nowadays. It's the end of the century, not the 
beginning ! The world is different, and the people are different !

>===
>Spiros
> 

Plamen
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Macedonia should be recognized
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:19:26 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan21.214956.4356@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|
|> Isn't it already the Third Balkan War, even without Macedonia?

No Sir it is not. Should you were awake during Geography classes you would
have know that Boznia Herzegovina is not the entire Balkans. There are a
few more countries like Albania, Greece, Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria and
to the best of my knowledge there are not any hostile acts involving these
countries.

Therefore, it is not the Third Balkan War despite the wishful thoughts of
a few reminisences of Stalin.

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: USA Governemnt SPEAK OUT !
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:38:14 GMT



> Oops, forgot that Greece is a nation is living in the past.

At least we have one :-) and we are proud of it.


                                              -- Xapa
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians speak out!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:37:26 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.052251.53231@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> o    "What language did these Macedones speak? The name itself is
>      Greek  in  root and in ethnic termination. It probably means
>      highlanders, and it is comparable to Greek tribal names ..."
> 
>      "The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most signi-
>      ficant. Nearly all of them are Greek."
> 
>      Hammond, N. G. L., "The Macedonian State", Clarendon  Press,
>      Oxford, 1989.

And some of them aren't. What does this prove? A high proportion of
British toponyms are Celtic in origin and as such say nothing about the
racial origins of the majority of the present-day inhabitants.

oh well back to the drawing board.

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Politicians speak out!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:27:14 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

o    "This  government  considers  any  talk  of   a   Macedonian
     `nation',  Macedonian  `fatherland'  or Macedonian `national
     consciousness' to be unjustified demagoguery representing no
     ethnic  or political reality... a possible cloak for aggres-
     sive intentions against Greece."

     Edward Settinius, U.S.A. secretary of  State,  December  26,
     1944.
-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
From: tsioutsias-dimitris@cs.yale.edu (Dimitris Tsioutsias)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Re: Erland Sommarskog
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:30:10 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyaya.systemsz.cs.yale.edu

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear), writes:
>> So, you have immigrated from scg to alt.news.macedonia now? And as I see
>> you still have the same objective view of things when it comes to
>> Greece and its people. ^^^^^^^^^^

>I think this means how dare you not agree unthinkingly with the Greek
>government's propaganda line about Macedonia.

	It means what it says!!

>> Is there a bad moment in your past with someone from Greece?
>> Maybe a greek woman dumped you?

>Depressing how some posters always want to personalise these things. how
>can we be sure a Macedonian girl didn't give you the push Dimitris??

	Oh yes, I knew a few in the long past. And they were Macedonians, and
	most were from Thessaloniki, Greece, and definetely not from Skopje. And
	I am supporting Macedonians (in Greece of course, not in Tito's-mickey-
	mouse-country.) But our friend Erland has never answered the question,
	"why is he so subjective in his views regarding Greece?"

>Andy

	->dimitris
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: katerina@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathy Nickolopoulos)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: An answer for Andy...
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:39:59 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

> From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
> Subject: Re: Info on Macedonia
> Date: 26 Jan 93 19:17:03 GMT

> Actually I don't think I provoke anything. I tend only to answer the
> assertions made by Greek propagandists. I don't think that ancient
> history has any relevance to modern politics. I just wish a few other
> people thought the same way. 

>> Do you really like to write pages and pages of quite
>> inaccurate arguments?

> Of course not. But then I don't like bullying and when I see Greece
> trying to bludgon a small country like Macedonia I feel it's necessary
> to set the record straight. As for inaccuracy I wonder if you've ever
> looked at Greek propaganda on this issue recently.
> Andy

	Okay, Andy...say you're right, and that we are all Greek
Propagandists being paid by the Greek government to promote Greece and our
views of the "Macedonian" issue.  Why don't you try to prove us *wrong*!!
Try to prove that what we write is propaganda, and not documented fact!!!
We've given you bibliographies, references, etc, and even though you
obviously have much spare time, you choose not to take a look at any of
them, but to continue to attempt to "answer" our "propaganda" - your words,
not mine - with your inaccurate ideas and so-called facts.

	Why is Greece "bullying" and or "bludgon"ing [sic - the correct
spelling is bludgeon] "Macedonia" when all we're trying to do is keep our
history intact for future generations?  We're all relatively intelligent
people, mostly doing graduate work, and we can understand big words if you
need to use them.  Don't be afraid to try and prove us wrong!  But don't
simply act on the defensive and tell us we're all wrong without giving us
some true facts.  Also try to cut the redundancy, will you?


Kathy Nickolopoulos
Northwestern University
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians speak out!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:42:03 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.052407.34190@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> o    "All countries are burdened by their history, but  the  past
>      weights  particularly  heavily  on  Greece.   It  is  still,
>      regrettably, a commonplace to talk of `modern Greece' and of
>      `modern  Greek'  as  though `Greece' and `Greek' must neces-
>      sarily refer to the ancient world."
> 
>      Clogg, Richard, "A concise  History  of  Greece",  Cambridge
>      University Press, Cambridge, 1992.
>      R. Clogg is a Professor at the Universities  of  London  and
>      Oxford.


Just what is this meant to prove with regard to *Macedonia*??

Andy


> -- 
> Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
> Colorado State U
> (303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
From: dgolber@aero.org (Dave Golber)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:01:20 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: midnight.aero.org

In article <Jan26.020403.35167@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> irakliot@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>In article <C1FAo7.J0M@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>|>  Is this a correct reference? Herodotus never mentions Alexander the
>|> Great in his histories.
>
>Perhaps you should begin reading books instead of eating them.
>
>-- 
>Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu

Shame, Mr Irakliotis, shame on you.

The intelligent reply is to quote line and verse where 
Herodotus never Alexander.  

Instead, you have merely furnished an insult.

Shame, shame.

David Golber


Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Geia Xara Paidia!
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:17:57 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <C17K9n.43I@ecf.toronto.edu>, by androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS):
> 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
> 
> (PART OF)	MACEDONIA IS GREEK!
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Andy

Let's not forget the R of Macedonia or the bit in Bulgaria for that matter
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: 114 years since Simeon Radev was born
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <7338@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
|> On January 19th, 1879 in the small Macedonian village - Resna (the same
|> village where IMRO was found) was born Simeon Radev - one of the
|> most prominent Macedonians due to whom, many people in Europe were
|> enlightened about Macedonia and its struggle for freedom. 

Of course, you fail to mention that this freedom has a Bulgarian flavor,
as Radev is of Bulgarian origin.

But then, who can be propaganda served by you if you disclose the entire
truth?

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,misc.test
From: mpoly@panix.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Subject: Re: Ancient Macedonian Cities (was Re: New Macedonian Group Established Here
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:24:42 GMT

In <1993Jan21.032051.25864@ultb.isc.rit.edu> vrm5180@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>dear honorable gentlemman,
>the northern territory that you are referring to is an independent nation. 
>as a Macedonian Kingdom with Slavs as a prodominant ethnic group in it.
                 ~~~~~~~

What's this, a joke or something? A neo-monarchist? A time warp? A
confused person?

>,ith respect.
>Viktor Mizo  

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: language questions
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:59:44 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

Nikolay Mehandjiev is honorable enough only to speak half the truth so let me
add what's missing here:

In article <6557@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Nikolay Mehandjiev) writes:
|> >What language do the people of the Greek province of Macedonia speak?
|> 
|> Greek apart from a group called "Slavophone Greeks", who speak
|> Bulgarian dialect (in other postings referred to as "slavomacedonian,
|> etc.").

And of course, as you may know Nikolay, we are talking about a group of
how many? 5-10,000 people? In a nation of 10,000,000? Hardly a "whatever"
minority as your friends in the FYRM claim.

|> >What language do the people of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia speak?
|> 
|> The very old people speak various Bulgarian dialects  [...]
|> 
|> After the WWI and WWII the language of R. of Macedonia was changed by
|> the Serbian and Yugoslav officials.  [...]
|> 
|> While the Bulgarian people realise and honour the Macedonian identity [...]

Aha! There's no MACEDONIAN labguage according to my Bulgarian friend. What
is called MACEDONIAN language was constructed by the communistic regime in
Yugo after WWI and WWII.

Yet Bulgarian people honour the MACEDONIAN IDENTITY of the people in FYRM.

Tell me, Nikolay: how is it possible for an ethnic identity to survive, if
it's not supported by a language of equal ethnical heritage? (And please,
be prepare to quote references, because when I will start throwing references
to this group you will need a 100Gbits/sec link to catch up.)

Cheers,
-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: Is Macedonia a Greek province?
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:37:51 GMT



> You know, you Greeks are right - we should rectify history.  Since Greece never
> conquered Macedonia (never mind Sparta, Athens, Thebes, etc.), why don't we return
> the borders to where they were after Phillip's conquest and make all Greeks speak
> Macedonian.

I personaly wouldn't mind if they returned where they were after Alexader's 
conquest (although I don't believe it would be right). And yes all Greeks spoke 
even then Macedonian since Macedonian was just a dialect of Greek. The Greek of
Phillip's era and the language Makedonias spoke at the same time was less 
different than English and American English are now.


> By the way, pretty pathetic how afraid Greece is of a powerless little country
> that just wants to be free.  

If someone gets into your house and tries to steal your valuable possessions 
you will try to stop him only if he is strong? Would you let him get away with 
it if he is weak? Do what you feel is right has nothing to do with how strong
the other person (or country) is. 


> And that claim about Macedonia being part of Greece's
> glorious history - why isn't Turkey or Rome?

Do you really need an answer on this???
If yes, here is the sortest I can think of:
Makedonias were Greeks, Turkies and Romans were not.



                                                             ---  Xapa


Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: A Rose by any other name [LONG]
Organization: VTT
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:58:08 GMT

In article <Jan26.204610.50341@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> irakliot@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.115532.2074@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
>|> The real problem seems to be a Greek desire that the new nation not in
>|> the future lay claim to any part of Greece.  It certainly seems that the
>|> Macedonian Republic's government has sworn not to do this in its
>|> Constitution.  This is where the argument should lie and where it should
>|> be resolved (IMHO).

>To you an oath taken by a communist might be enough. To me it is not.

To me an oath taken by anyone is not enough.  My claim is that this, not
the name, is the crucial issue and that this is where the discussion
should lie and where it needs to be resolved.  A fight over the name
masks the important issue (the threat of a claim to Greek territory and
possible action on that claim) and makes it harder to resolve.  

>I disregarded the rest of your posting because you virtually repeat the
>same arguments with the Skopje communist goverment.

>Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
>Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
>Colorado State U
>(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab


-- 
doug foxvog     
dfo@tko.vtt.fi   
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Macedonia should be recognized
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:49:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.061317.22681@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org () writes:
>	The secret documents were published on November 21, 1992 under
>      the headline "The Third Balkan War."

Isn't it already the Third Balkan War, even without Macedonia?
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.europe
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Kati diaforetiko
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:43:25 GMT



Exw diabasei apnra ar0ra se auta ta dio newsgroups. O ka0evas leei to makru kai
to kovto tou. Isws ftaiei to proxwrimevo tns wras, isws autn n ateleiwtn amaxn 
me Tourkous kai Skopiavous, isws n polu douleia kai to avxos meta ametrnta 
"deadlines", isws n mousikn pou akouw pou me kavei va 0elw va moirastw mazi sas
auto pou akouw. Mporei va sas favei pesimistiko n kata0lnptiko omws eivai kati
pou dev 0a prepei va jexvame (av kai oi perisoteroi dev to znsame - eutuxws).


                        Surmatoplegmata

         Surmatoplegmata avamesa mas
         favtare pou eisai avtikru
         aurio 0a' maste vekroi  (dis)
         mia trupa sta mpoukamisa mas
         Surmatoplegmata kai stis kardies mas
         opws ta gevia mas sklnra
         nr0e n dikn sou n seira  (dis)
         rije va kayeis tis sodies mas
         Surmatoplegmata kai oi yalides
         kobouv movaxa to xarti
         aurio 0a' xoume giorti  (dis)
         avayav oi fwtobalides.



To tragouda n Alejiou se tovo (opws 0a katalauate) argo kai 0lnmevo. Xwris nxo
isws va mnv dnmiourgei kai toso evtova suvais0nmata alla elpizw kati va sas
metedose. Proswpika to briskw polu duvato.


                                                      ---  Xapa


PS: Kai gia va leve oti movo oi tragoudistes "faivovtai" as dosw kai ta sxetika
    credits stov dnmiourgo to tragoudiou pou eivai o Leuterns Papadopoulos.
    Av dev apatomai brisketai sto (diplo?) almpoum "15 xrovia tragoudi - Ta 
    tragoudia tou Notn". 
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: Re: Goce Delchev
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:53:31 GMT


And today go 40km north of Thessaloniki and guess what country you are
in. This is the kind of lore that appeals to the expansionist and war
monger. This is why Greece is concerned.

--
	***  James Tsillas  jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu   ***
	***      Work: (508)898-2800, Home: (617)641-0513        ***
	***        "He is after me. Jim is after him."           ***
	***            - Hop on Pop, Dr. Seuss                   ***