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From: shahid@vast.unsw.edu.au (Shahid Masud (Supr. Rigby))
Subject: Constitutional Amendment
Organization: Universtity of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:10:23 GMT

Dear Readers,
Assalamoalaikum,
Given below are the constitutional changes which were brought about in
Pakistan constitution to solve the Qadiyani problem once and for all.
The matter was not discussed  by people like us using usenet but rather
by  eminent  scholars both from sides of Muslims and Qadiyanis. I hope
this material will be a good reference for all readers.
Jazak'Allah,
Wassalam,
Shahid Masud
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 QADIYANIS AND AHMADIS DECLARED NON-MUSLIMS BY THE PAKISTAN PARLIAMENT
 =====================================================================

On the historic day of 7 September, 1974, the National Assembly of
Pakistan, amending  two provisions in the Constitution excluded from
the fold  of Islam all those << who do not believe in the absolute and
unqualified Finality of the Prophethood of Mohammad. >> These
amendments were also endorsed by the Senate which met soon after  the
Assembly Session.

The passage  of this historic constitutional amendment bill by the  two
houses of Parliament climaxed the  three-month-long << in camera >>
deliberations of the National Assembly as a special committee, during
which the Chiefs of the Rabwah and Lahore Jama'ats were examined for
<< forty one hours and fifty minutes >>  and << eight hours and twenty
minutes >> respectively,involving << twenty eight>> sittings lasting over
<< ninety six hours >>.

One of  the two amendments inserts a new clause in Article 260 of the
Constitution of Pakistan defining a non-Muslim saying:
"Any person who does not believe in the  absolute and unqualified
Finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him), or
recognizes such a claimant as a prophet or a religious reformer, is not
a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or Law".

The second  amendment relates to Article 106 of the Constitution
providing for the reservation of seats in provincial legislatures  for
minorities. In Clause III of this Article after reference to  other
minority communities like Christians,  Hindus, Sikhs, etc., the words
<< "and persons of the Qadiyani group or the Lahori group (who also
call themselves `Ahmadis')" >> have been inserted.

Apart from the constitutional changes, the unanimously adopted
resolution of the Assembly  recommended that consequential and
procedural amendments may be made in the relevant laws,  such as the
National Registration Act,  1973, and the Electoral Rolls Rules, 1974.
It, however, recommended one specific modification  that Section (295A)
of the Pakistan Penal Code will have the addition of the following
explanation:
"A Muslim who professes, practices or propagates against the concept of
the Finality of the Prophethood of Mohammad (peace be upon him) as set
out in Clause III of Article 260 of the Constitution shall be punishable
under the Constitution".
From: u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: LOOKING FOR UET CLASS OF 85
Keywords: TIPPU
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:36:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

ARE THERE ANY 85 SESSION STUDENTS (ELECT ENGG) LISTNING IN??

PLEASE REPLY USING SAME TITLE....


					TIPPU HASSAN...85-E-348
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 04:26:48 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
 <mirza.702779089@mira.sce.carleton.ca>
 <1992Apr9.014504.10785@sarah.albany.edu>

Salam Alaikum :

      Those who contributed earlier, they did not reply me the answer of my que
stion that 'what is the concept of Islam for 'saleh maashra'.  I cannot say any
thing whether they remained busy or simply want to skip the issue.  But beside
s the issue, when I see an educated muslim woman and pleading the western life
style, I remember Marriam Jamila.  She was raised and brought up in New York al
so but (to making the history short) she accepted complete naqab and migrated t
o Pakistan.  One could easily get her books from any library. She wrote around
25 books on Islam and western life style.
       Another concern I have about the muslim women that they do not
 understand the Quranic teachings.  Islam never says that women are not permitt
ed for higher education or progress in any field.  Unfortunately, due to misund
erstanding or some other reasons even good people directly wrote against Quran
and its open guidances which is not a decorum of a muslim to dishonour this Hol
y Book.  It is nothing, except collecting sin.  In the young age, strenght and
power and wealth, we are behaving like Haman and Firoon, this is not fair.  If
one really wants to understand (this is required), one could ask in more better
 and generous style.  I mean in Islamic limitations that I do not under what
this verse refers to or what is the meaning ?  Or could anybody explain me its
application in daily life.  By this way we will not collect sin.  If somebody
wants to discuss the authenticity and the validity of the verses, simply
we are not worth of it. This is related with faith and belief.

       I urge the brothers and sisters to discuss the issue with respect and ke
eping in mind the sanctity of these words of Allah Subhanaw.  I am not an scho
lar, I am an ordinary student, but I volunteer to disucss the issue through e-m
ail, with those who wants to discuss for better understanding.  May Allah forgi
ve us for all our bad doings and give us more 'iman'.  Salam.  Jafry
From: sbanwari@pdx167 (Sunil Banwari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Da'wah to American Indians
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:34:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ichips.1992Apr15.183402.10638
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <kuoro2INNb1l@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.141930.17803@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>:In article <1992Apr14.112225.30015@davidsys.com: khan@davidsys.com writes:
>:
>:
>:
>::Does anyone notice that the range of mountains
>::on the eastern US is named 'Allegheny', 
>::sounds like 'Allah Ghani'.
>:
>:And also, the names
>:
>:Allah-bama    state
>:Allah-ska     state
>:Alla-in-town  city in PA
>:Allah-ka-tarz island,ex-prison (SF area)
>:Allah-made-a  city (SF area)
>:Alla-abu-kar-ke city
>
>You are close but not close enough. All the "Al" in the
>above names are due to the definite article "Al-" in
>Arabic not unlike (probably) "Allah" which is "AL-illah"
>                                              The God
>
>How the Arabic influence? Just remember that
>Spain was under the Muslim rule for 500+ years.
>And these were under the spanish influence.
>


Another example of a name of an Arizona town which is 
positively of Arabic origin is a small truckstop in 
southern Arizona called Eloy. The story goes that a 
Lebanese engineer, on coming across this place, was so
amazed by the beauty of the Sonoran desert that he
blurted 'Eloy' - somewhat similar to the expression of
amazement used by Sindhis ('Alla'), Hindus and Muslims 
alike.
-- 

Email address: sbanwari@ichips.intel.com | "Tis not enough that one
					 |  succeeds in life, one's
					 |  friends must fail"-Anon
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: aik shair
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:48:29 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


suna hay merey raqiboN meiN sukht un-bun hay
merey khelaf magar ittehad hay un meiN

Salam.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M. MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Useless bachis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.055536.18303@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes...
>From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
>Subject: Re: Useless topic? (was Baacha, Baachi, Kaka,Kaki...)
>Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
> 
> 
>>I fully agree with the uselessness of the above topic, or such topics.
>Irfan I read your followup where you apologised for the hasty judgement. 
>but due to our discussion about bachis, Adil & I found some common ground about
>poetry. I was rather enjoying the discussion. Aap kee aur Imrana shaiba kee 
>khidmat maiN arz hay kay agar aap do va teen logoN ko kisse topic pe baat kartay
>daikhaiN aur aap ko topic pasand na ayay to ba-rah e mehrbani, 'n' ya 'k'
>key daba diya karaiN. Refering to MIT and the day of judgement is pretty sad.
> 
>Naveed

	Naveed, same sentiments here although I have NOT been follwoing 
	the discussion religiously :)
___________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal				
"I can't remember anything...
  can't even tell if its true or dream... " 
			- Metallica
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Aeena un ko dekha ya to bura maan gayee
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:40:43 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Apr12.144533.10197@topaz.ucq.edu.au> khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:


>I wrote in a massage that Qadianis are not beleiving Allah (Indirectly) because
>they do not beleive what Allah says.  Some of my friends are not agree with me.

Could you be more specific here.
How about once,  ONLY ONCE, writing a lie which is your own invention and
not a CLASSIC maulvi lie made in some maulvi meeting inc., Pakistan.

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faryal@torment.ugcs.caltech.edu (Faryal [Pink Floyd] Ghalib)
Subject: Re: F L O Y D // GHALIB : The truth!!!
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.094606.27632@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sphinx of Sphinxes) writes:
>
>>From our correspondents in Delhi, India and London, England:
>
>	An earth shocking confession was made by the lyric writers of
>the punk band Pink Floyd. The writers, who chose to be anonymous, accepted in
    ^^^^^^
	punk, have you lost your mind, Prog Rock is more like it.

>an interview with the Enquirer that their lyrics had actually been written by
>an Indian poet Mirza Asad-ullah Ghalib. Mirza Ghalib is one of the foremost
>Urdu poets of India.
>
	Please leave uncle out of this.

>	Ghalib, widely beleived to have died in the 19th century is alive and
>kicking. He is beleieved to be in hiding somewhere across the Atlantic, 
>studying at some Institute, under deeeep cover. Ghalib, according to one of
>Pink Floyd's band members has always been a [discreet] part of the band. "He
>was adamant that his name remain undisclosed, as the world thought of him
>as an alcoholic, penniless Eastern poet", Gilxxxx said. "But what a great dude
>she actually is", he added, in his deeply doped voice.
>
	Damn the cover is blown, I told him not to say any thing to any
	body, I will have to have a talk with him, Look what happend to
	'Pani'.

>	Processions are on the streets in Delhi, demanding Ghalib's return to 
>India. 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Moral of the story, you ask? GHALIB and FLOYD are inseparable !!!!!
>
	Well what can I say. ;-)

>Three cheers for Floyd (oops!),  make that Ghalib!

Faryal /* Pink Floyd */ Ghalib // alive and kicking...
--
God is real, unless declared integer
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: CONTROVERSY KHATAM
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:49:24 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) writes:


>In article <92104.04063632JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
>32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry) writes:
>> Salam Alaikum :
>> 
>>         Those who says 'Lanatullahe allal kazbeen' to muslimeen in
>fact 'Lantua
>> llahe allal Qadianeeen' and say 'sallo alaih wasallam to khatum mursaleen'.




>My dear netters:

>Mr. Jafry does not want to say "Lana tullah hie kazabeen: may the curse
>of Allah be on the liars", rather he is suggesting something else. Why
>he does not want to say that, because he knows he is a liar. If he is
>not a liar then why does he not join with me in saying "Lana tullah hie
>kazabeen"? Moreover Mr. Qadir has also joined him. 

>You fanatic people are proving your falsness your self.

>May Allah show you the right path. And may Allah teach you some respect
>for other beliefs. 

assalam alaikum

please see my earlier post!!
please do one more thing give my regards to Dr. Noor.
and you misspelled the word it is "fantastic", I like Mr.Qadir too,
he shud be spending time instead on Jafry's saying, and 
give my utmost regards to this new batsman, who will soon be facing
either JM or MJ from north-southend.

you are right again here!! may Allah show me the right path!!
I do have respect see how respectful I am.

May Allah guide you all, MIRZA with Iblis have now lost all hope, so
save yourselves, you'll be thankful to me on the DAY.

Murad[afraid of the DAY]Mirza.





>Sincerly,

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>        "Is Not Allah Sufficient for His man?" :Quran         |  o    o  |
>        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE)   |    /\    |
>        April 13, 1992.                                       |  \____/  |
>                                                             
>|___smile__|
From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'Ham agai to garmia bazar dekhna'
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:44:58 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Welcome  back Jafry.  You are the one of your class, watta subject you 
have chosen. It  says to all the anti jamaties to run like hell.  With due
apologies the subject should say like:

HUM  AGAI  TO  GANDAGI-AI   BAZAR  DEKHNA

----------------------------------------------------
SOHBAN SHAHID                 e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
Civil Engg. Dept.                      (303) 491 5844/8204 (work)
Colorado State University  (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523
From: iqbal@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Kamran Iqbal)
Subject: Ahmadi's and Finality of Prophethood
Originator: iqbal@neutron.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:10:44 GMT

assalamo alaikum:  
	
	Muslim Scholars all over the world are of the unanimous
opinion that any followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are NOT MUSLIMS.
This includes all those who hold reverence for Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, the
liar and the false claimant to prophethood.  On the authority of Imam
Abu Hanifa, a person stands to lose his faith when he only asks for
an argument from a flase claimant to prophethood.

	However, beyond the usual surge of emotions resulting from the
allegations of Ahmadi's against Islam and against Prophet Muhammed
(May Allah's blessings be upon him), our knowledge of Islam in general
and of the Finality of the Prophethood issue in particular are
inadequate to answer their tricky arguments.
	
	The series of articles to appear below is a small portion out
of the elaborate discussion on the topic by Syed Abul A'la Maudoodi.
The original text can be found in his commentary on Surah Al-Ahzab
(The Meaning of the Quran part IV).  Detailed text has earlier
appeared on this net and can be requested from undersigned.  The
following articles will be included in this series:

	LOGICAL PROOF OF FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD - 2 parts, 
	THE TRUTH ABOUT THE "PROMISED MESSIAH"- 5 parts.

Jazakum-Allaho-Kheir, Was-Salamo-Alaikum Wa Rahmat-Ullah.
-kamran
-- 
KAMRAN IQBAL	  | In the name of Allah, the beneficient, the merciful.
Dept of Elec Eng  |  "I bear witness that there is no god but ALLAH,
Ohio State Univ   |   I bear witness that MUHAMMAD is his messenger".
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ADVENT OF PROMISED MESSIAH (one answer serves all!!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:23:42 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



I should have mentioned two Hadith.....

1).    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
          "The Mahdi is no other than the Messiah"(Ibn Majah).

2).  Placing his hand at the shoulder of Salman the Persian, the Holy Prophet
     (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
          "If faith would have ascended to Pleiades it would be brought back
           by a man from these."
                          (Bukhari, kitabut Tafseer Bab Tafseer Sura Jum'a).

I hope now Mr. Nabeel Ghulzan won't call me liar and also won't claim that
Mahdi and Promised Messiah are bound to be two different personalities.

Please note that I had already proved (last year I guess) that Hazrat Mirza
Ghulam Ahmed was of persian descent. Can repost if you ask. 

Regards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:  A little fact. Reply to son of woman
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:49:39 EST

In article <1992Apr6.052919.22154@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, jamal@z.eecs.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak) writes:
> In article <4APR199219364452@zeus.tamu.edu> hbr6165@zeus.tamu.edu (harish) writes:
>>
>>	What I really don't understand is that the victory JM claims..
> 
> Please note that I have never used the word victory to describe my
> own posts in this debate.
> 
>>As far as I can see, I never had the opportunity to see a single
>>(specific..) posting by JM which could convincingly answer all Mr. Noor's
>>questions.. I do remember a guy (a learned scholar..) from MIT
> 
> I am quite surprised.  All I ask anyone who wants to argue with
> me on the subject is this.  Show me *one* dictionary of Arabic
> or *one* lexicon of Arabic grammar which has the Ahmedi inter-
> pretation of the word and I will believe that *one* meaning is
> "best."  Am I being unreasonable?  To the contrary, Mr Noor has
> been claiming all along the the word *never* means "last," in
> spite of a plethora of easily verifiable dictionaries having
> been referred to.
> 
> Can any of the three Ahmedis who have been arguing on the meaning
> of this word even admit that *one* meaning of the word khatam is
> "last"?


Ok I will buy your argument. Lets talk more sensibly it seems that you are
getting confused by reading postings from Ahmadies. My dear just I will give
you few examples and it will be very clear to any reasonable mind what are the
meanings of "Khatam" or "Khatama" for that matter.

1. THERE IS A HADITH WHICH SAYS THAT HOLLY PROPHET S.A.W. SAID " I AM
KHATAMUNNIAEEN AND ALI IS KHATMUL-ULYA

2. HOLY QURAN IS SAID TO BE KHATMUL KUTAB.

3. BOO ALI SEENA IS WELL KNWON ARAB DOCTOR. IN EARLY ARAB LITERATURE HE HAS
BEEN CALLED KHATAMUL HOKAMA.

4. A GREAT ARAB POET (I FORGOT HIS NAME) IS WELL KNOWN TO ARABS AND THEY IN
THEIR LITERATURE HAVE CLLED HIM KHATAMUL SHUARA.

NOW IF THE MEANING OF KHATAM IS TAKEN AS FINALITY IN TIME AND TRANSLATED AS
LAST, THAN TELL ME THAT 

1. IS THERE NO WALI IN MUSLIM UMMAH AFTER HAZRAT ALI?

2. NO BOOK HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE WHOLE WORD AFTER THE HOLY QURAN?
 ( IF YOU ARE IN YOUR SENSES)

3.NO ONE HAD BECOME DOCTOR IN THIS WORD AFTER BOO ALI SEENA?

4. NO ONE HAD BECOME POET IN THE WORD SINCE THAT GREAT POET OF ARAB?

ARE YOU REALLY IN YOUR SENSE ? OR YOU ARE NUTS?

Munawar

>
From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: aik nasihat
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:30:39 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Salama writes as ....

Woh loag jo fazool qism ki bahas main paR kar apna aur doosroN ka waqt
zaia kartey hain un ke leay aik nasihat:
      Allah ke bundo! aqal ke nakhun lo. kion apna waqt burbad kertey 
ho. Purho, likho, mulk ka naam roshan kro. Aman wo ashti kee bateN kro,
mail milap ka tuzkrah kro. Achchi, achchi baten kro. Aur ye nasihat
hamesha yaad rakho. Shabash BuchoN. Salam.


Hello Baaji, App Kaisee haiN. Hum app ka khena zooroor maantai laikin
hum majboor hain. App kee aachhi aachi batooN naiN ammi kee yaad
dela dee abb aun ko phone karna par ja'ai ga. Bohaut shukria yaad dehani
ka. App ka mamnoon aur mashkoor bahi.

----------------------------------------------------
A celebrity is a person who is known for his well-knownness.

SOHBAN SHAHID                   e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
Civil Engg. Dept.                        (303) 491 5844/8204 (work)
Colorado State University    (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 2 + 2 = 5
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:38:26 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Originator: samaddar@orion

ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:

>it thouroghly. There is a quotation that I'd like to add from the Quran,
>but I just can't remeber it now. However it basically says what I just
>said, undersatnd islam and yuo'll automatically follow it. That's all
>there is to it. No body, no soul, and no trust in god is required.

Great piece!!

Sumitro