HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:42:51 GMT

In article <1gt0ffINN3ob@agate.berkeley.edu> nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes:
>
>	{Discussions on if apple had a CLI deleted}
>
>	The reason for a command line interface is simple, there are certain
>things that you can do in a CLI that you can't do in a GUI.  For example,
>try moving all files starting with Let to the directory Letters.  How do you
>do this easily in a GUI? 

	Select 'by name' ordering of the files, select the
block of files in the window for the source folder with your mouse,
and drag them to the 'Letters' folder.  One menu selection and
two swipes with the pointing device.

	Is a CLI version going to be simpler?  Quicker?  Or just
more familiar to some subset of the population?  The shell
program for Macintosh computers doesn't use line-of-text command
input, but it DOES get the job done.

	John Whitmore
  




Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.conspiracy,rec.arts.sf-written
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: The Net achieves major-conspiracy status!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:45:00 GMT

In <1jz1NG#37dKf39xvXqY7Qk7DP6kBjF8=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:

>The year-end double issue of "The Economist" (widely considered the best
>general-news magazine in the English language) includes an article "Being One
>Of Us" that offers a slightly tongue-in-cheek tour of the "networks that run
>the world".  The list includes:

[   ]

>This would have been of only passing interest to netters.  But the last
>two listings are the kicker.  They are, respectively,

>	USENET/Internet
>	The Bavarian Illuminati  

>Find the article and read it.  The Bavarian Illuminati entry is particularly
>funny -- it reads like it was written by Robert Anton Wilson.
>-- 

				Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>


YES! this is wonderful...where can i buy a copy of this magazine :)

?????


just a kitten

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i am chaos. i am the substance from which your artists and scientists 
build rhythms.  i am the spirit with which your children and clowns
laugh in happy anarchy.  i am chaos.  i am alive, and i tell you you
are free.
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                          rita mae brown

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From: carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology,alt.geek,alt.non.sequitur,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Proper pronounciation of 'Kibo'
Date: 26 Dec 92 10:19:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Dec23.014759.14009@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:

>The verb form is conjugated, in Russian, as
> (Ya) Kibo 
> (Tii) Kibesh
> (On, ona, ono) Kibeyete
> (Mii) Kibyem
> (Vii) Bacon
> (Oni) Kibyat

>The second person plural is irregular.

Heh.  So is the first person singular, right?  Is this bait or
something?

-carol "kib *you*?  I hardly even know you!" o



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Subject: Economist gotcha's was: The Net achieves major-conspiracy status!
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:42:12 +1200
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.conspiracy,rec.arts.sf-written
Distribution: world
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Eric S. Raymond (esr@snark.thyrsus.com) wrote:
>The year-end double issue of "The Economist" (widely considered the best
>general-news magazine in the English language) includes an article "Being
One
>Of Us" that offers a slightly tongue-in-cheek tour of the "networks that
run
>the world".  The list includes:

> Soviet Communist Party

Ooer - do they still exist anymore?

This is the same magazine that recently reported on electric battery
technology, and included a look at vacuum-encased high-speed flywheels for
energy storage.

They reported a version suitable for automotive use which had two
counter-rotating platters in order to 'cancel out the gyroscopic effect'.

Gotta get me one of those....

--
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                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: So You Want To Be A Wizard? (A modest proposal)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,misc.test,alt.fan.danny-drucker
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:58:40 GMT

daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>roadrash@bcstec.ca.boeing.com writes in a mail message:
>> Regarding flamers, the best way to respond to them is via Email or
>> not at all.  On this thread, I was amused that all of these great

>Well said.

If it's so well said - why didn't you take the advice, and either respond
via email or not at all?

Ah - nothing like admitting something is good advice, then ignoring it
completely to _really_ show what you're made of.

-- 
Paul Tomblin (I don't make or state policy for this company)
Dilbert: "I had an imaginary friend when I was a kid.  But he told me I was
boring and he ran away"
Dogbert: "There are times when no snide comment seems adequate"
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Yes Virginina, pi is transcendental (was Re: PI)
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:48:18 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <1992Dec29.063207.138@front.se> samuel@front.se writes:
>I'm almost sure that PI is proven to be non-rational and also non-algebraic
>(I'm not 100% sure about this since I haven't discussed PI with anyone since
>'86). 
>However, if PI is non-rational, then PI is also non-terminating (please note
>that the other way around doesn't work).
>Maybe some PI expert out there can confirm that it is proven that PI (and E)
>is non-rational and non-algebraic ? 

Both pi and e are transcendental (from which it follows that they're
irrational as well; the proof is left as a trivial exercise for the
reader). 

The transcendentality (transcendence?) of pi was proved by Lindemann
in the latter half of the 19th century. That it's irrational is
simpler to prove and that proof was done earlier. I don't remember who
did it for e, or when.

Check out almost any book on the history of mathematics, and you'll
find the names and dates. I can recommend Dirk J. Struik's "A Concise
History of Mathematics" (still in print from Dover publications);
that book has also been translated into Swedish (and should be
available from a public library near you, Samuel).

Note for the mathematically challenged (:-)), who may wonder what this
discussion is all about:

That a number is irrational means that it can't be written as a
fraction. That it's transcendent means that it isn't the root of any
equation of the type a*x^n+b*x^(n-1)+...+u*x+v = 0, where the numbers
a,b,...v are integers.

One consequence of that pi is a transcendent number is, BTW, that it's
impossible to square the circle with only straightedge and compasses. 


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From: alderson@last-call (Rich Alderson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:21:30 -0800
Organization: Cisco Systems (MIS)
Reply-To: alderson@last-call (Rich Alderson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cronkite.cisco.com
Keywords: PDP 10, gods gift to hackers, TOPS, ITS
In-reply-to: kby@cco.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap)

In article <1gu1tcINNgiu@gap.caltech.edu>, kby@cco (Kimo B. Yap) writes:
>Oh, come on.  For the full KL architecture spec, the address space is approx.
>equiv. to 2^34 - 2^35 "bytes" (using 8 bit byte terminology).  That's more
>than the vax.  Half of that is user space, same as the VAX.-kby

Perhaps on Bottoms-10 half is taken away by the operating-system stuff, but on
Tops-20 a user program is unrestricted in its address-space usage.

However, in any production system, the limit on addresses on the KL was 24 bits
(microcode--23 bits hardware).  Times 5 bytes/word, and you get about 26.4 bits
equivalent bytespace.  Still less than the user-address space on a VAX, unfor-
tunately.

I was approached to work with Systems Concepts on expanding their architecture
all the way out to 30 bit addressing, but about the time they wanted to do it
Stanford was getting out of the Tops-20 business.  Mostly because SC was too
late with the production hardware.
-- 
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                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: mean failure time vs power-to-weight ratio (was: Re: Sig file)
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:56:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <pete.724946089@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
>shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt) writes:
>>
>>Right -- higher power-to-weight decreases mean time to failure.  For
>
>Oh dear; does this mean that we should start to worry about the sun?
>

Silly Answer: No, the data is all taken from items of human
manufacture. Deities use a different and much more complicated
formula.

Very Silly Answer: Of course not! The sun has no weight - see how it
floats up there in the sky? - therefore it will last forever.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (OTOH, if worrying helps you pass the time until your death, go
right ahead . . .)
-- 
I'll be in San Francisco in early January. What shouldn't I miss?
E-mail suggestions to the address cleverly hidden in the header.
From: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:08:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) says:

>In article <9212162327.54@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>When the Mac ships with a real command line shell, then maybe some people
>>will look on it more favorably.
>
>Ha-ha-ha!!! You make a funny, no?
>
>Only those brought up on dinosaur derived systems and mentalities. And i'm so
>very certain that Mom and Pop want to be programmers (even in the very limited
>form of writing shell commands). But that's a discussion best suited for the
>'famous flame wars' thread (GUI vs command line). And I have better things to
>do than spend time trying to convince you otherwise or start a new flame war.
>

I'm sorry, but maybe there are those people that DON'T LIKE a GUI, simply
because they don't like mousing around.  Sure, there are keyboard shortcuts,
but they are usually cryptic.  I run Windows (and it is FAST, on my
relatively mediocre 486SX/25 with 4Mb RAM) and there are times that I exit
and run DOS, simply because it's a tad easier.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: using /bin/ed (Was Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:55:01 GMT

In article <1h4hsaINN1j8@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
> 	 152 hostconfig*          64 init*               112 sh*
> 	  21 hostname*            32 intr*
> 	 184 ifconfig*           168 mount*

cat()
for i; do while read X; do echo "$X"; done <$i; done

If you're winmpy and need to keep white-space clean, you can play games with
IFS.

Recently a guy setting up Solaris changed the root shell to /sbin/csh and
logged out. Luckily FTP supported rename, so I could move /sbin/sh to
/sbin/csh, log in as root, and put things back. Glad the system didn't
crash while I was doing it: it would have been hard to get back up.
-- 
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 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:19:54 GMT

aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:


>In a previous article, cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) says:

>>
>>I've never been a fan of voice input. Just imagine your current work
>>environment and _everyone's_ talking into their computer. Can you see the
>>chaos and confusion? The computer will listen to anyone's input, not just
>>mine. Plus the fact that I wouldn't want the annoyance of listening to other
>>people talk when I'm trying to think. Voice IO might be fine when you're
>>Home Alone, but after talking all day, I bet larengitis (sp?) becomes an
>>occupational hazard of computing.
>>

>And then a madman runs into the room with a megaphone and yells, "ERASE
>HARD DISK!!!!!"....

Some commands wouldn't be short-cutted to be allowable via voice, I would
guess.  On a Mac right now there isn't a key combination to erase a disk the
way there is to close a file or get information on it.  Why allow any old
command to be input by voice?  Or at least without checking if its your voice
(if the technology exists) or with a password, preferably entered on the
keyboard so others don't overhear it and know what it is for next time :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: welch@nervous.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Subject: Re: CLI/GUI wars (was Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued...)
Originator: welch@nervous.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: OSU-LAIR
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:44:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.201107.8656@csservices.Princeton.EDU> dem@cs.princeton.edu (Doron Meyer) writes:


   However, starting with System 7.0, Apple has included AppleEvents in the
   MacOS. [...]  To my knowledge, there is no other OS that supports a CLI
   actively controlling GUI applications.

*Sigh*, how soon they forget. Interlisp-D and XDE both did this back
in the 80's, and I'm fairly certain Star did it too... Nice to see
Apple's finally getting around to implementing the rest of the
interface they ripped off.

...arun
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From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Ghost Ships
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:29:50 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1992Dec24.180337.24796@wam.umd.edu> beowulf@wam.umd.edu (ames) writes:
>not like i know if this actually has anything to do with
>real ships, but could someone tell me the story/explain the
>term "Flying Dutchman"?
>
>i've heard references to it in some urban folklore (drawing
>parallels, i suppose) and madness, but i have no idea what
>the actual story is.
>

The story: A Dutch captain named Vandervecken was sailing around the
southern tip of Africa, the Cape of Good Hope.  A storm came up and the
sailors said that perhaps they'd better wait for it to pass before
rounding the cape.  Vandervecken took the name of the Lord in vain and said
"I'll round the Cape if it takes me until Doomsday."  He's been trying
ever since.
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:00:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Animal Ghosts?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories

How would you notice an animal ghost unless it was a pet?

Can you explain this question Paul?  I dont know what you are
trying to say.. I've been reading here for about 3 mo. and havent
seen these posts you talk about.  

Re-phrase the question please.
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Christmas .....My father
Date: 27 Dec 1992 01:38:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu


Pat, i symphatise with your loss, but understand that almost everyone
feels uncomfortable about something once in a while. I have, twice already,
and made desperate phone calls back home to check if everything was all 
right, and it was.

Don't blame yourself. The feeling was merely a coincidence.  I'm sure
your father is proud to have such a loving son/daughter. ( I apologise,
as I cannot discern your sex from your name... )

Chua
+==+

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: FOOTSTEPS AT NIGHT
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:16:28 GMT

     Here is an account of a strange thing that happened to my girlfriend and 
myself.  I guess I should start off with some background on the situation.
My parents recently added on a large sun room just off the living room of their
house.  Since that time,(about three years ago) I have heard strange noises
coming from this room - mostly the sound of footsteps and usually at about 
midnight.  I have told my parents and a few others about these noises and they
thought that I was going crazy.  My girlfriend didn't believe me either until
something happened recently.
     It turns out that my girlfriend and I had just gotten back from the late
show and it was about 12:15.  We walked into the sun room amd sat on the 
couch that is in there and we were discussing the movie we had just seen.  We 
were sitting at opposite ends of this large couch and all of a sudden I heard
the voice of a young child speaking.  The voice was coming from just over her 
shoulder but there wasw nothing there.  My girlfriend and I were incredibly 
frightened and we froze.  It was all we could do just to breathe.  The babbling
child was there.  He was there and we could hear him as plain as day.  Suddenly,
the voice broke into song.  The kind of song that a five year old may sing, it
was a haphazzard combination of a few words and some humming.  As the song 
began, the place where it was coming from began to change.  It was coming 
towards me, and I could hear the footsteps appraoching above the sound of
the music.  The voice stopped right in front of me and then vanished.  We 
couldn't believe it but we confirmed with each other what had just happened.  
Needless to say, my girlfriend grabbed her coat, got in her car and left right
away.  The next day, I went outside the house to see if anyone was in the 
backyard that night.  I thought that there had to be some way of explaining
this.  There was snow on the ground but there was no footsteps in it.
     Well, at times, I still hear footsteps coming from the empty room at 
night, but I'm used to it.  The room is just off the living room which was
where my grandfather had a massive stroke and met his instant death.  I wonder,
could this be a ghost of my grandfather?  Why was the voice that of a small
child??
                                John

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Animal Ghosts?
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Zugates) writes:
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:30:24 GMT

I'm just saying that if I gio into the woods and I see a deer that happens to 
be a ghost.  How would I know that it's a ghost unless it disappears or 
something?  With humans I would think that it would be easier to notice.

As far as the pets, maybe thery were here more than a few montthes ago.  They 
were mostly to the tune of an old pet that dies and the owner can still hear 
the dog or cat wlking around or feel it jump on their lap.

Sorry I'm so confusing.

Paul
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: rjc@world.std.com (Richard J Callahan)
Subject: Re: Ghost Ships
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:30:50 GMT

mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere) writes:

>     There are many ghost ship legends in New England, alas my books on the 
>subject are back home in Maine. New England is a favorite spot of hauntings and
>there are many Native American legends about the area (fearsome beats, ghosts, 
>spirits, etc.).I'm going to write my family for any stories they have heard of 
>and post them.
>Michael


That would be great!  I would love to hear stories of Maine, on any topic,
from your family!  I'm sure others would, too.  New England does have a
many great tales of the supernatural.

-Richard
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories