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From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: Advice on responsibilities of Best Man
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:34:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <2386@unet.UUCP> linda@wendy.uucp (Linda Hill) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.190237.1137@clpd.kodak.com> kirkpatr@alc.serum.kodak.com (Dan Kirkpatrick (x37370)) writes:
>>
>>Could someone tell me the responsibilities of being a Best Man?
>>
>>I know that the best man should arrange the Bachelor party, and do the 
>>toast... but anything else?  Gift other than wedding gift?  Other duties?
>
>Decorate the car!  You can be nice about this too.  Use some kind of
>paint that won't hurt the car (just do the windows) and don't bother
>with tying things to the bumper.  We ended up with some free smoked
[remainder deleted]

Er, Dan, I would recommend finding out how the bride and groom feel
about that advice before taking it.

One of the most hellish things about planning our wedding was trying
to decide which one of our beloved sportcars to take.  Neither of us
wanted to have the car decorated in any way.  Ultimately, I offered 
to sacrifice my car, making the assumption that we could get it painted.

Still, I resented the idea that I had to tolerate vandalism (yes, sorry
to those who think it's just plain fun, but I consider it vandalism)
to my car, just because there were those at the wedding who considered
this the ultimate "thing the best man does".

Finally, I did the smart thing, and just informed the wedding party
that we didn't want the car decorated, sorry.  There were a few 
good-natured groans, but everyone was nice about it.  The best part
was being able to drive away in our white Corvette, without having
to worry about any possible damage the decorations could be doing.

Maybe I'm the world's biggest party pooper, but I figure that my
wedding day is stressful enough, and that being able to relax after
the festivities in a car that I don't have to worry about cleaning,
or in a room that hasn't been booby-trapped, is a whole lot nicer
than the "memories" that I would have had otherwise.

Instead of going to the car wash, or trying to get the cornflakes
out of the bed, we spent the evening sipping champagne, courtesy
of our host, enjoying some great lingerie, thanks to my mom-in-law,
indulging ourselves in some great gourmet munchies, thanks to my
sister-in-law - it was rough, but we managed... ;-)

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From: sheehan@pagosa.scd.ucar.edu (Tim Sheehan)
Subject: Re: Advice on responsibilities of Best Man
Keywords: car decorating,  soap
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:04:42 GMT

When my sister was married, my brothers and I decorated her
brand new car with some balloons and shaving cream, thinking
that the shaving cream was just soap. We thought that there
was no way this could hurt anything. At any rate, where we 
wrote "Just Married" on the trunk lid with shaving cream, it
changed the finish just enough that "Just Married" was 
permanently visible on the trunk lid if you looked at it just
right. 

Luckily, she's a good sport and didn't kill us.

The point I'm trying to make is that even things you wouldn't
imagine hurting a car's finish may hurt it.

-- 
-Tim-

sheehan@ncar.ucar.edu
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Advice on responsibilities of Best Man
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:38:42 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <92255.124403ROPERK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
ROPERK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (K. Roper) writes:

>  We hid the car and had the wedding hearse pick us up.
>
>  At the time, we drove a blue Ford Tempo -- we figured the ideal place
>   to hide it would be a Ford dealership :>  (It ended up in a park, with
>   accessways arranged so we could tell if we were being followed.)

I spent an entire day a few weeks before the wedding, examining
street maps and driving around, looking for the best spot to leave
the car.

I hid our car on a residential street that was adjacent to a pedestrian
walkway (excuse the ascii):

                   Car
                    |
                    V
   -----------------X----------------
		    :
		    :  <--- Pedestrian alkway (inacessable to cars)
		    :
		  =====
		  =====   <--- Parking lot
		  =====
		    |
		    |
		    |
 ---------------------------------------

Minimum time to drive around was over five minutes, if you knew
exactly where to go (the car was in one of those subdivisions with
no straight streets and weird intersections).  Yes, I timed it all
with a stop watch---I've got the annotated street maps to prove it
:-)

The parking lot where we were dropped off was close to the church,
so it was convenient.

So the best man and matron of honour drove us to the parking lot,
we ran through to our car, and drove off.  Impossbile to follow.

(Note a design factor:  Nobody who was invited drove a motorcycle,
which would have been able to navigate the walkway).

Also, this location was obscure enough to ensure that nobody found
and decorated the car.  This was not, as it turns out, a complete
solution!  People who want to decorate, will decorate.  My in-laws
taped and ballooned and canned the car the next time we visited.

And my roommate in University put MY car up on blocks when we went
to HIS wedding a few months latter.

Oh well, it was fun.

BTW, hiding the car was the only part of the ceremony I was allowed
to plan myself, which was the incentive for doing a good job :-)

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
<Ring> [...] "Sorry, I'm all booked up." "Who was that?" "The library." - B.C.

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From: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Newsgroups: soc.couples,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Am I a grandfather? You be the judge.
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Organization: The Westrheim Group, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT) writes:

: Also, I'm unsure how to broach the subject with my mom, although, now
: that I think about it, I can't think of anybody who would be more
: understanding!

Try just asking her what she thinks.  A straight honest question
usually gets an honest answer.
-- 
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From: jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Second Wedding Etiquette
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:22:32 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ohm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep8.112625.11702@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling) writes:
>A co-worker and husband are planning to re-new their wedding vows next 
>May.  How "proper" is it for her to wear the tradional white gown with 
>cathedral train and veil?

Perfectly fine.

>  How about expecting wedding presents?  I 
>thought gifts were to help a couple just getting started, but this 
>couple has been married five or six years.  

You can't even "expect presents" at your first wedding, in the sense that
a gift that is an obligation isn't a gift at all.  It's up to the guests
to decide what, if anything, they will give; clearly the types of gifts
people give at weddings (which are usually things that help a couple just
getting started) wouldn't be appropriate.

--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: jengagne@next03cville.wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne)
Subject: Re: Advice on responsibilities of Best Man
Keywords: car decorating,  soap
Reply-To: Jurassic Park as movie
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:32:58 GMT

> >Decorate the car!  You can be nice about this too.  Use some kind of
> >paint that won't hurt the car (just do the windows) and don't bother
> >with tying things to the bumper.  We ended up with some free smoked

PAINT?  All you need is a bar of soap.  It'll never hurt anything,  
non-staining, etc.  Just add water and it's gone, no hassle.

jengagne.wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: hudel@waterloo.hp.com
 (Chris Hudel)
Subject: Re: Selfless Acts
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:04:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Panacom Division)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]

Jeff D Fernandes (jdf@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: 	Hello.  I have a question for all you folks out there.  What is the most
: selfless act you have ever done for another person.  Locally a bunch of us have
: been talking about this.  I was wondering if any of you out there do?  As for
: myself, I watched "the love of my life's" sisters kid in a playground dressed in
: a suit for a hour while she went off with another guy on a nature trail.  It
: should be said that she doesn't know my feelings...  What about you?
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Then is this really a selfless act, if she doesn't know your feelings?
Me, ummmm, let me think.  The most selfless thing I've ever done for another
person? Hmmm.  I do them everyday...ummmm, I just can't remember now. :-) :-)

But seriously, that's hard to characterize.  Rather I do a fair share of
little selfless acts for my woman. Stuff like:
	- do the dishes because she's tired (even if it is her turn...)
	- listen instead of watching t.v.

Of course I do lots of selfish acts too. :)

Cheers,
Chris.
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From: rks@teal.csn.org (Reykja K. Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: age differences
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:43:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


     I would like some wisdom from out there in the electronic world. ;-)

     Especially, I would like to hear from women who have been involved
with much younger men. I have a reason for this which I will explain
below:

     I am very interested in a guy who is 14 years younger than I (I
am 40, he is 26). What I am trying to find out is the ratio of success
with these relationships. 

     In the case of this particular guy, he is European. He seems quite
mature -- has already passed his party stage (if he ever had one), has
a responsible job and a stable life. 

     My concern is for him primarily. I don't know how he will feel 
in ten years. My age will be showing more than it does now (I can easily 
pass for 35) and he will be going through certain life passages that 
I have already experienced. 

     Personally, I am of the mindset that age is more a state of mind
than anything else and that most people are rather secure in who they
are by 22 or 23. At that point, all age differences become irrelevant. 
However, not everyone feels that way. In this case, I have simply not
discussed it with this guy. He knows I am older -- but not how much. 

     Any input, personal experiences or opinions would be gratefully
and respectfully heard. Please e-mail to rks@teal.csn.org as I do 
not regularly read this group and I don't want to miss anyone's 
input. 

thanks....

just me
From: jdf@oregon.uoregon.edu (Jeff D Fernandes)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Selfless Acts
Keywords: selfless, (Or I didn't anything for doing that?!?!?"
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.13SEP199213313419
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



	Hello.  I have a question for all you folks out there.  What is the most
selfless act you have ever done for another person.  Locally a bunch of us have
been talking about this.  I was wondering if any of you out there do?  As for
myself, I watched "the love of my life's" sisters kid in a playground dressed in
a suit for a hour while she went off with another guy on a nature trail.  It
should be said that she doesn't know my feelings...  What about you?
From: rlwst8+@pitt.edu (Robert L Williamson)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: 50 Years Ago: Thursday, 3 September, 1942
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:52:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have heard lots of rummors of how General Rommel got killed.  How did he get
killed? (I even heard one rummor he committed suicide). 


				Rob
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:08:06 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep3.220708.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
> In article <12128@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> > In article <16276@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
> >> In article <11954@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> > # #Blacks served in the Confederate Army from 1862, and the Union
> > # #Army from 1863.  There were segregated black units from then
# # # That's interesting.  It was my understanding that the Confederate
# # # Army didn't have blacks.  What is the story on this?
# # 
# # They were members of a New Orleans unit known as the "Native Guards"
# # and after the city fell, they refused to withdraw with other Confederate
# # units.  They were all free blacks of New Orleans.
# 
# Why did they fight for the Confederate cause in the first place? 

Doubtless because they were skilled artisans who felt that defending
the city against invasion was in their own interests.  It's not
clear from my reading why they were so afraid of invasion -- perhaps
it was simply a matter of following military orders?

# Their staying when the other Confederates withdrew implies that they
# knew that the Confederates would not treat them very well.
#                     === Al Sparks

_Strength for the Fight_ implies that it was because their primary
loyalty was to the city of New Orleans, not the Confederacy.


-- 
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: soc.history,soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:26:51 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.204552.21061@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>JMC.92Sep3000655@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
>Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
>Lines: 35
>
>jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
>
>>The actual rationale for the Japanese isolationism is hard to
>>determine.  No Japanese has ever been able to point me at any
>>contemporary documents advocating it.  Everyone I asked says
>>it had to do with Confucian fears of being corrupted by foreign
>>ideology, especially by Christianity which had two million
>>converts in Japan.  I don't recall anything about foreigners
>>being declared inferior.  It follows by 50 years or so,
>>a corresponding isolationist policy of the Chinese empire.
>
>	The books I've read ascribe the isolationism to a very
>	specific fear that with the western religions would come
>	western allegiences.  A Portugese sailor is said to
>	have told the Shogun that it was typical of western
>	countries to first send missionaries to convert the
>	people and then to send warships with the converts
>	as allies.  The sailor may have been apochryphal,
>	but the persecutions of Christians was based on that fear.

In one sense, the "Portugese sailor" was certainly apochryphal; there 
was no Shogun to tell the story to, at the time. In another sense, it was
not apochryphal; it was none other than William Adams, Englishman, pilot of
the Dutch trader _Leifde_ and personal friend and hatamoto to Tokugawa Ieyasu,
who closed off the islands and expelled the Christians. As a side note, the
Tokugawas were apparantly very willing to allow the English access to their
ports in the same fashion that they allowed the Dutch; however, the English
Trading Company was not convinced that it was worth the effort, when trade 
with China and India was doing so well.

Mike


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.history,bit.listserv.history
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Oldest City in North America?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:19:04 GMT

In article <zbrn+#=.garyg@netcom.com> garyg@netcom.com (Gary Greene) writes:
>yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep7.184927.27052@cs.mun.ca> carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Carlos Borges) writes:
>>>Which is the oldest city in North America that is still around?
>>>I've been told it's St. John's, Newfoundland, but I thought
>>>Mexico City was settled by Europeans first.  Any others?
>
>>The most probable guess would be an Aztec city of some sort. Mexico
>>city was not settled by Europeans first. If you remember correctly, the
>>city was called Tenochitlan (spell?) before the Spanish.
>
>Also, it seems to me that I read one history that placed Tenochtitlan's popu-
>lation higher than any European city at the time Cortez first entered it.
>I believe there was some contention that it may have been the largest in the
>world by population, though I find that a little incredible.
>
>Respects,
>
>Gary Greene
>Santa Clara, California				garyg@netcom.com  


I hope you're not saying that it's incredible because it's higher then any
European city at that time. I'm confident that you don't mean it that way,
but there are other reasons, since it is obvious that the order of population
from the 5th century to the 10th century was Chang-an (now Xian), followed
by KyeongJu, then Baghdad, then Constantintople (forgive spelling, I'm 
horrible at spelling). Yes, I know that Cortez' discovery was far after the 
10th century, but European cities didn't get a real boom until the 15th 
century. I hope this is what you were referring to. As for Tenochititlan,
I doubt it was the world's largest. 
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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: 50 Years Ago: Thursday, 3 September, 1942
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:50:41 GMT

>I have heard lots of rummors of how General Rommel got killed.  How did he get
>killed? (I even heard one rummor he committed suicide). 

Here, from memory, is how I heard it on an documentary I saw on A&E.

After he lost North Africa, Rommel ended up in France, where he was in
charge of the defense of Western Europe.  By July, 1944, he realized
that his army would eventually be defeated, and, strictly as a
military commander, he determined that the best course of action would
be to try to arrange for an armistice on the Western Front.  Before
he could do this though, he was injured in an auto accident (I think
his vehicle was shot at) and returned to Germany.

On July 20 (I think) there was the assassination attempt on Hitler
in East Prussia.  Rommel had at least some link to the conspirators,
and when it was discovered in August, gummint agents came to his
home and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.  If he would accompany
them, and commit suicide, his death would be reported as a consequence
of the auto accident or something like that, he would be given a full
state funeral, and no action would be taken against his family.
The main source of this, I believe, is his son Manfred, who in the
1960's became mayor of whatever city he lived in.

Because of Rommel's popularity, there was a big risk to Hitler if
Rommel refused the offer.  Going after Rommel as one of the conspirators
could've made Hitler more enemies.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Oldest City in North America?
In-reply-to: garyg@netcom.com's message of Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:08:31 GMT
Organization: pubs
	<1992Sep8.023124.3209@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Sep8.184158.16049@compu.com> <mftnfj=.garyg@netcom.com>
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:35:13 CDT

Gary Greene writes:

   >Mexico City is not exactly considered North American now, is it? 

   Yes it is.  Central America starts at Mexico's southern border, 
   and North America stops there.  Perhaps you are confusing Latin 
   America with South and Central America.

This confusion is getting interesting.  I had always considered all the
countries from Mexico to Panama to constitute Central America, but that
Central America is _part_of_North_America_ (analogous to Asia including
the "Indian subcontinent" and Asia Minor).  Since Central America is
clearly part of a continent, it has to be North America, correct?

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com

Newsgroups: soc.history
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Evita's body
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:04:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.035641.11886@panix.com> jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park) write
s:
>Accoring to a little booklet found in CD of Evita ( american version ):
>
> .... But even in death she is denied obscurity.  The moment she dies the
> embalmers move in to preserve her fragile body to be "displayed forever",
> although this never happened.  The story of escapades of the corpse of
> Eva Peron during the quarter-century after her death is almost as
> bizarre as the story of her life.
>
>So, what happened to her body?

Strangely enough I was just reading this last night.  After Evita died, Juan 
had her body
painstaikinlgy preserved, and kept it in his home, even dressing it for dinner
in the evening and setting it at the table.  Juan Peron's second wife did not
object for some reason, but after Juan died, she did arrange to have the body
buried.

>Jongwoo "of expiring mind" Park                             jwp@panix.com

PDunn
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Evita's body
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:56:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Accoring to a little booklet found in CD of Evita ( american version ):

 .... But even in death she is denied obscurity.  The moment she dies the
 embalmers move in to preserve her fragile body to be "displayed forever",
 although this never happened.  The story of escapades of the corpse of
 Eva Peron during the quarter-century after her death is almost as
 bizarre as the story of her life.

So, what happened to her body?

-----
Jongwoo "of expiring mind" Park                             jwp@panix.com