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From: ajpotts@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Potts)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Patrick Geddes?
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:23:39 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


>In article <45093@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu (John McDonald) writes:
>>
>>	A couple of months ago, the environmental design
>>journal, "Places", carried an article about the nineteenth
>>century urban planner Patrick Geddes.  Since then, i have
>>been trying to find information on this person.  Does anyone
>>know of a biography or of work by this designer?
>>
>>	Thanks!
>>	John
>>	
 
Patrick Geddes was more than an urban designer - he possibly did more to
regenerate the slums of Edinburgh than any other man. If you're ever in
Edinburgh there is a 'Patrick Geddes trail' wherein one traces a route
around the old town visiting his major works. Much of what he did was
reallly improving quality of life: refurbishing 16th and 17th Century
tenements to acceptable standards without destroying the quality of the
buildings. 

As well as adding a small garden to Edinburgh's old town he completely
refurbished Mylne's Court, which is now used by the University of
Edinburgh as very attractive Student Accomodtion. But his most
substantial and original works are:

1 - The camera Obscura. An extraordinary tower built just by the castle
and via mirrors a offering panoramic views of Edinburgh. This is also
the  home of the Patrick Geddes Study Centre - I dont't have the address
to hand, but it is on the Lawnmarket, Royal Mile.

2 - Ramsay Gardens. A wonderfully fanciful collection of buildings at
the top of the royal mile looking down over Edinburgh. They are on
almost all the postcards and now are probably the most sought after
buildings in the town.

Hope this helps. There are a number of publications, but if you are
really interested your best bet would be to get in touch with the people
at the Patrick Geddes centre. If you try Camera Obscura, Lawnmarket,
Royal Mile, Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K. I have no doubt you will be
successful.

Hope this helps

Alistair James Potts

Department of Architecture,
University of Edinburgh,
20, Chambers Street,
Edinburgh,
Scotland.
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: thomat@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Todd Michael Thomas)
Subject: best Arch. mag
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:44:43 GMT

My personal opinion is that PA is one of the best for your money.....
also one called  ARCHITECTVRE  (uses that old-tyme V instead of U  =D  )

todd thomas--------RPI School of Architectvre--------------------thomat@rpi.edu
From: akkerman@skyfox
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: RE: Patrick Geddes?
Date: 23 JAN 93 17:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

Marshall Stalley: "Patrick Geddes: Spokesman for Man and the Environment"
Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, N.J., 1972
From: jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu (John McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Patrick Geddes?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:15:38 GMT
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics


	A couple of months ago, the environmental design
journal, "Places", carried an article about the nineteenth
century urban planner Patrick Geddes.  Since then, i have
been trying to find information on this person.  Does anyone
know of a biography or of work by this designer?

	Thanks!
	John
	
	jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu
From: cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.S.Jafari-Sisi")
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Patrick Geddes?
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:53:56 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <45093@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu (John McDonald) writes:
>
>	A couple of months ago, the environmental design
>journal, "Places", carried an article about the nineteenth
>century urban planner Patrick Geddes.  Since then, i have
>been trying to find information on this person.  Does anyone
>know of a biography or of work by this designer?
>
>	Thanks!
>	John
>	
>	jmcd@cea.berkeley.edu

Dear John
I think You can lots of information about Partick Gaddes 
from the part time tutor called Wendyin Department of Architecture
and Building Science in University of Strathclyde.
The address of the University is 
130 Rottenrow
Glasgow - U.K

p.s.If you intrested I can find out Wendy's surname.

With Regards,

Sirus.
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: dark sows
Originator: smintz@sedona
Reply-To: smintz@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:09:37 GMT


My grandmother in Scotland, always used to tell me of the Cutty Black Sow, it
was some kind of piggy booggy man...:)
stephen
--
From: andy@terminus.ericsson.se (Andy Davies)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Dark Sows
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: andy@terminus.ericsson.se
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England

Cutty is Scots for 'short'; as in Robert Burn's poem
Tam O'Shanter, where the witch wore only a cutty sark,
or shirt skirt - not a pretty sight.

---
--------------------------
Andy Davies
andy@terminus.ericsson.se
Ericsson Camtec, England
--------------------------
From: mjsmith@cac.washington.edu (Martha Smith )
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Origins of Christian Symbolism
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:38:20 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: redx.cac.washington.edu

However great Dumezil is (and at least four of his books are available in trans
lation), he is an INDO-EUROPEANIST.  And the Greeks are not very representative
of the Indo-Europeans (Dumezil studies the Roman rather than the Greek for this
reason) and the Semetic peoples are not Indo-European.  So note that Christian
symbolism began as a Semitic/Greek mix primarily.  By the way, Littleton is
also excellent as is Lincoln on Indo-European materials
From: magi@polaris.utu.fi (Marko Gr|nroos)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Info on werewolves
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:26:38 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Computer Science

Here's a short answer.

Lycantrophy is a disease that is carried from a werewolf to a victim
by a wound. Of course the wound usually kills the victim, so this
contamination is actually quite a rare thing.

There is no tested cure against this disease. One suggested cure is the
boiling of a king's tooth in werewolf's blood in molten silver (hot!),
but I haven't tried if it works.
  Well, ok, one cure is - killing the beast, but it includes killing
the human form also. This can be accomplished by a silver (or
magically enchanted) weapon. According to some legends, this can only
be done by a person who loves the werewolf. Well, in it's human form
at least.. ..And in some movies they just blast 'em off with big rifles.

Change to the wolf form occurs usually at full moon. In some versions
this happends also at few successive nights after the full moon and in
some other versions the change may take place at any time, but with
different propabilities (more likely to happen at full moon, in
nighttime, outdoors, etc.). The change can also take place at any time
if the victim is seriously wounded or experienses intense pain. There
is no way escaping the change at full moon, not even by digging
oneself 10km's under the ground - the Moon finds you from wherever you are!

It may, however, be possible to control the change and behaviour of
the wolf form by several means. Most of these means are magical, and
unfortunately usually used for utterly nasty purposes. It could be
accomplished by strong will also, but it would require a REALLY strong
will and still be quite difficult. But what to do if you do succeed?
First, it is possible to force a change to happen. This is rather
nasty if done at the wrong moment. Second, it's possible to control
the beast's mind. This is not much different from controlling normal
people's minds, but the results can be a lot more devastating. If the
control, however, is done by the werewolf's human part, the results
can include not killing a loved one, saving the loved one from vicious
crooks, or world peace. Or total destruction, it's a personal choise.
Third, it may be possible to resist the change, but this is for nice
people only.

What makes the werewolf tick? The answer is: hate! Yes! Pure, totally
perfect hate against all living, especially people. There is actually
nothing evil in this hate, unless you define hate itself to be evil.
Anyways, as the Christian God has veen said to be Love itself, a
werewolf IS hate.

Hmm, must go now to a lecture, sorry, bye!

Ps. Sorry for pselling erorrs.

						- The Plural One
						  magi@utu.fi

-- Marko Gronroos, Karvataskunkatu 10 H, 20610 Turku, Finland, t#+358-21-445613
From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: resurrected heroes
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:43:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.mythology
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-2.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan27.042143.8974@watson.ibm.com>, yozzo@watson.ibm.com
(Ralph Yozzo) wrote:
> 
> In article <guest1.1.728084014@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu> guest1@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >Greetings.  I am a medievalist with a specialty in Arthurian literature and 
> >I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any other legends/myths that 
> >concern the "return of the hero."  The only ones that I am familiar with are 
> >the Arthurian legends and the legends of Finn and the Fianna, in Ireland, 
> >and I wondered how many other mythologies around the world have a similar 
> >theme.  That is, the idea of a great king, and his companions, "sleeping," 
> >and, once woken, returning to the present time to rule again, or set things 
> >right.  I would greatly appreciate it if anyone with such information would 
> >contact me at: kmackey@eagle.wesleyan.edu .  Thanks very much, Kris Mackey.

Frederic Barbarosa (the red beard) I think is the last documented one in
the west. In the east I am not shure.

I hope this helps

pegasus
From: fawcett@iron.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Heaven & Hell--European Style
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:53:48
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
	<1993Jan25.185123.25679@mcs.kent.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: iron.cs.umass.edu
In-reply-to: mcconnel@mcs.kent.edu's message of 25 Jan 93 18:51:23 GMT


From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations:

Emperor Charles V 1500-1558 

Je parle espagnol &ag. Dieu, italien aux femmes, fran&cc.ais aux hommes et
allemand &ag. mon cheval. To God I speak Spanish, to women Italian, to men
French, and to my horse--German.
From: mcconnel@mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Heaven & Hell--European Style
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:51:23 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

In article <C1C0Ez.I16@unix.amherst.edu>, nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes:
|> Mark Greene (markg@optimla.aimla.com) wrote:
|> : How about, in a parallel vein,
|> : 
|> : "I speak Spanish to God, 
|> : 		 French to Men, 
|> : 			   German to Horses and 
|> : 			                    Italian to Women"
|> : 
|> : 			 King Charles V of France (on earth)
|> 
|> Please, reference?  Since I have to learn at least two of the above languages... Thanks!!
|> : -- 
|> : Mark Greene						   					
|> : markg@aimla.co
|> : Los Angeles, CA
|> 
|> -- Neil Bernstein
|> Struggling Classics Majo

I recall a similar quote, though not all of it, dealing with Henry VIII of 
England.  Soemthing like, he was a civilized, educated man because he spoke Latin with 
the priests, French with the diplomats, *        * with the women, German to the
horses and English to the dogs.  Again, I apologize for having no reference and
not recalling it all.

Mike McConnell
Kent State University
From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: resurrected heroes
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:00:42 GMT
Organization: Newt World Order

In article <guest1.1.728084014@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu>, guest1@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu writes:
> concern the "return of the hero."  The only ones that I am familiar with are 
> the Arthurian legends and the legends of Finn and the Fianna, in Ireland, 
> and I wondered how many other mythologies around the world have a similar 
> theme.  That is, the idea of a great king, and his companions, "sleeping," 
> and, once woken, returning to the present time to rule again, or set things 

Try Jesus and Charlemagne for starters. You might also count Haile Selassie.

-- 
whoah,
+++++++++++++++++++++++23
Loren Miller                           internet: MILLERL@wharton.upenn.edu
Mediocrity is a hand rail.                         -- Baron de Montesquieu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: resurrected heroes
From: guest1@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:33:34 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA
Summary: myth of the eternal champion

Greetings.  I am a medievalist with a specialty in Arthurian literature and 
I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any other legends/myths that 
concern the "return of the hero."  The only ones that I am familiar with are 
the Arthurian legends and the legends of Finn and the Fianna, in Ireland, 
and I wondered how many other mythologies around the world have a similar 
theme.  That is, the idea of a great king, and his companions, "sleeping," 
and, once woken, returning to the present time to rule again, or set things 
right.  I would greatly appreciate it if anyone with such information would 
contact me at: kmackey@eagle.wesleyan.edu .  Thanks very much, Kris Mackey.
From: fearnley@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Fearnley Anne)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: 7 Days
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:32:10 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

prh2s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Patrick Harrison) writes:

>A friend and I were discussing the possible origins of our seven-day week,
>but came to an impasse.  Jewish mythology of course describes a creation
>taking place over seven days, and this myth apparently has some relationship
>to the Babylonian myth of the children of Tiamat (six, corresponding to the
>six "active" days of creation in Genesis).  I have also read that the 
>Babylonians regarded the number seven as sacred/magical (because of some
>correspondence to the deities?).  Finally, we considered the possibility
>that the seven-day lunar phases or the seven planets known to ancient
>human beings might have had some effect on the establishment of the week.
>Can anyone help us unravel the mystery?  And can anyone say when, by whom,
>and why the days in Anglo-Germanic cultures are named after the Germanic
>gods?  Specific responses and suggested readings are both welcome.

About Babylonian days and the naming of days of the week in some European
languages, there is a good article in sci.astronomy called something like
"days of the week".  It postulated the association of the them-known planets
(7 of them (this includes the sun and moon; ie all the moving usual things in
the sky)) to the hours of the day.  Because 24 and 7 have no common denominators
one ends up with 7 types of day, the first hour of each being under the 
influence of a particular planet.  It then gets named for that planet, and we 
get the order of the days of the week.

Note also that gods and celestial objects were linked.  This is especially true
for Babylon, but note also the English names of planets.

I will post the sci.astronomy article here if I figure out how it is done.


--
Anne Fearnley                                     Dept de math. et de stat.
fearnley@ere.umontreal.ca                         Universite de Montreal
                                                  Montreal, QC
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: markg@optimla.aimla.com (Mark Greene)
Subject: Re: Heaven & Hell--European Style
Organization: Philips Interactive Media of America, Los Angeles
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:54:18 GMT

How about, in a parallel vein,

"I speak Spanish to God, 
		 French to Men, 
			   German to Horses and 
			                    Italian to Women"

			 King Charles V of France (on earth)
-- 
Mark Greene						   					
markg@aimla.co
Los Angeles, CA
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: colwell@torolab.ibm.com ()
Subject: Info on Freki (associated with Odin)
Summary: Looking for information on Freki
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:52:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Keywords: Freki Odin Norse

  Help...

  I am looking for some information on 'Freki' which was one of the
  two wolves that sat at Odin's feet when he was on his throne.

  Any further information would be greatly appreciated!


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From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: loki seth
Date: 21 Jan 1993 01:51 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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Keywords: evil gods
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

i wish info on the egyptian god seth and the norse god loki
all info and myths would be appriciated
d.j. 
thanx
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:06:21 EST
From: John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Origins of Christian Symbolism

In article <dumic-190193145151@apamea.swarthmore.edu>, dumic@cc.swarthmore.edu
(Mark J. Dumic) says:
>
>Can anyone recommend a good book on the origins of Christian symbolism?
>One the discusses the roots of this symbolism in the previously existing
>religious traditions: Greek, Egyptian, etc.
>
_Myth and Ritual in Christianity_ by Alan Watts is an interesting read.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Dark Sows
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:47:52 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <93019.25796.NE0152@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> NE0152@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Hello out there! I have a question. Why is everything that is bad
>symbolized as black? Good example is this case, "Dark Sow". It is
>black and represents the destructive sides of nature!

  In this case you have to take into account that the same people who 
had this 'dark sow' described Africans as 'bluemen' when they met them.

>THE Q  :)

-bertil-
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: szeliga@soils.umn.edu (Tim Szeliga - NWS)
Subject: Re: Origins of Christian Symbolism
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:25:47 GMT


For a middle-brow treatment, try "Treatise on the Gods" by H.L.Mencken.

Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: NE0152@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: RE: Dark Sows
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:26:15 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: dark sows
Originator: smintz@sedona
Reply-To: smintz@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:09:37 GMT


>My grandmother in Scotland, always used to tell me of the Cutty Black Sow, it
>was some kind of piggy booggy man...:)
>stephen
--
Define the word "Cutty" as used in the text of your post please ..

THanks!

THE "Q" :-)

Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: karl_best@novell.com (Karl Best)
Subject: Re: resurrected heroes
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:26:38 GMT

In article <guest1.1.728084014@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu>  writes:
> Greetings.  I am a medievalist with a specialty in Arthurian literature and 
> I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any other legends/myths that 
> concern the "return of the hero."  The only ones that I am familiar with are 
> the Arthurian legends and the legends of Finn and the Fianna, in Ireland, 
> and I wondered how many other mythologies around the world have a similar 
> theme.  That is, the idea of a great king, and his companions, "sleeping," 
> and, once woken, returning to the present time to rule again, or set things 
> right.  I would greatly appreciate it if anyone with such information would 
> contact me at: kmackey@eagle.wesleyan.edu .  Thanks very much, Kris Mackey.

How 'bout the Sleepers? That's Arthurian. There's also the Seven Sleepers in  
Jewish fable, I believe.

=========================================================================
Karl Best                              My test for a book is that one
Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    should finish it each time with a
Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    mind to read it again--some day.
karl_best@novell.com      ...(_)/(_).       - T.E. Lawrence
From: dwguiher@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Info on werewolves
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:10:26 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Hello,
	I am putting together a file on werewolves, and I would really
appreciate any information anyone could give me, whether it be stories, facts,
legends, rumors, experiences-- anything is needed.

				Thanks in advance,

					THROM



	"His personality sucks, but he looks GREAT on a horse."
					-Susan Waszak
From: sonix@schunix.uucp (Duane Morin)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: resurrected heroes
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:32:49 GMT
Organization: SCHUNIX Public Access Unix for Worcester County, MA, USA

In article <C1J4sE.6H2@Novell.COM> karl_best@novell.com (Karl Best) writes:
>
>How 'bout the Sleepers? That's Arthurian. There's also the Seven Sleepers in  
>Jewish fable, I believe.
>

A co-worker of mine placed a book on my desk this morning entitled "Curious 
Myths of the Middle Ages" by S. Baring-Gould (Boston:  Roberts Brothers, 1867)
with the story "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" marked for me.  At the 
end of that story is also an encapsulation of some other sleeper myths.  
To be a name dropper, there are tales about William Tell and Frederic Barbarosa
in there as well.  

Here's the highlights of the Seven Sleepers:  Seven Christians persecuted for
refusing to worship idols take refuge in a cave and are sealed in by that 
meanie, Emperor Decius.  They sleep for 375 years and awaken just as a heresy
refuting the resurrection of the dead arises in the city of Ephesus.  (How 
convenient)  After some confusion, their identity is discovered, upon which 
they look skyward, die, and are canonized. 

>=========================================================================
>Karl Best                              My test for a book is that one
>Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    should finish it each time with a
>Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    mind to read it again--some day.
>karl_best@novell.com      ...(_)/(_).       - T.E. Lawrence

Hope it helps,
 Duane Morin  and Leon Steffancci
 Walker Sonix, Inc.
 Worcester, MA 01604