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From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necessary Belief?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:52:32 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep21.182008.16246@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
|> A question from a novice:
|>  Does magic work if you don't believe in it?

Yes, but you will no doubt find a more rational explanation of the results.

|>  Or, more precisely, can one
|> perform magic if he/she is sceptical about magic?

I'd say it was foolishness to proceed without healthy scepticism.  Given
the glut of garbage and outright false material flooding the "New Age"
market in books, tapes, and even teachers.  Perhaps more scepticism is
required today than ever before.

	-Christopher

	Rationalization is more important than sex.


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Keywords: Re: aura goggles
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:52:39 GMT


Hi -


You wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) wrote:

I imagine he's talking about dicyanin dye filters, invented by some 
british physician earlier this century, through which said physician 
claimed to see auras, diagnoze diseases, etc.

I (William Tucker) respond:

That's correct, however I believe he was an electrician. His name was
I believe Walter J. Kilner. He wrote a book as well, put out by University
Press. The edition that I have was put out in 1965, can't remember the
title off hand. I believe he was British and worked in London, in the 
early 1900's.

You wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) continue:

(I beleive my essential facts are correct, though I may be confusing the 
nationality of said physician, and it's possible I'm leaving out a 
syllable of the chemical's name...)


In any event, my experience with same is that they do not work, aside 
from creating an optical diffraction effect that might be useful as a 
source of 'placebo effect' that 'tricks' the user into making better use 
of their own 'astral vision' and intuition.

Later, Bill


I (William Tucker) respond:

As I understand it auras are physical manifestation. The Kilner lenses are 
supposed to help to some extent and I've read reports of those who said they
used them until they were able to see them on their own. Again talking to 
people who see auras I have to say that they are a manifestation on this
level of reality, albeit one that requires a certain degree of sensitivity 
for discernment. I know that the third eye/6th chakra is assosciated with 
with part of the seeing, the left eye is also associated with the 3rd eye. 
However, in Kilners book he talks about oxidizing iodine in the vicinity 
of the patients body and having the auric field pick the iodine up and hold 
it in the aura, thus making the aura more visible to him. If this is true 
there is a physical manifestation. It requires a certain kind of training
to see, which has been written about fairly extensively. Tagi and I both
posted several books to look at. If you use your eyes in the normal fashion
you won't see squat, that's all there is to it. 



Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Scientific basis for magick (FAQ material?)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:33:13 +0000

Tagi! I actually understood what you were saying!


Great stuff. BUT


How do we blow this reality Reliably, Regularly, Legally and
Consistently to arrive at the magickal paradigm shift?

Leo
From: dunsmore7043@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Crowley file list needed
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:38:31 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

hello,

        Sorry to bother, but...if someone could send me the list of Crowley
book files on slopoke I'd be greatfull.
                                
                                Searchingly yours
                                   JD the Lost
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: RE: evil and dualism
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:31:01 GMT
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT


      I didn't say satan is the opposite of god, those are your words. Satan 
simply didn't know his place on the hierarchy - the order/chaos continuum.

              Sean Jeffers Mc Nair
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: dis-ease
Keywords: the flu
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:45:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

helllll0,, has anyone used magick to help them ward off the common
cold/flu?  that is, the first day when you feel it coming on, or you are 
around others that are sick, say ,, in a class room or lab at work, 
you feel it 'creeping' on you,, and RUN home and do the LBRP or the BRH 
or whatever;,- since I've heard from some writers that disease is caused by 
vibration,(the primary cause being an organism sometimes ) if you 
corrected your 'dis-eased' vibration with a higher one , I feel it 
should work. Of course, the etiology of sickness is a big one, but has 
anyone tried this besides me? Also, upon the first day of a cold/flu,
it feels like the chi runs up into the ajna and sticks there mightily
hard for some reason. Does this happen to anyone else?  any info
appreciated. Mark 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: saunders@ug.cs.dal.ca (The One Who Walks)
Subject: Simple Quotation
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:56:41 GMT


   A variation on the wonderfully famous quotation,

     "Do what thou wilt, and that shall be the whole of the Law."

 "We are still under the destructive and vain belief that man is
  the pinnacle of creation, and not just a part of it, and that, therefore,
  everything is permitted... We are incapable of understanding that the only
  genuine backbone of our actions - if they are to be moral - is
  responsibility - responsibility to something higher than my family, my
  country, my success. Responsibility to the order of Being, where all our
  actions are indelibly recorded and where, and only where, they will be
  properly judged."

						-Vaclav Havel
                                             in a speech to the 
                                             United States Congress

     I'm not quite sure about the validity of this quotation; knowing
where I found it leads to suspicion about it's origin. Nevertheless, it
stands on its own as a closely parallel account.

---
Until the wind changes,
Stephen Saunders
-Esteban de la Luz-
---
-- 
"Now this is the Law of the Jungle            -  "Imaginary people are
 As old and as true as the sky                -   people too!"
 And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, ------------------------
 But the wolf that shall break it must die."  Rudyard Kipling        -
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: dis-ease
Keywords: the flu
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:47:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvMK09.KyK@cs.dal.ca>, saunders@ug.cs.dal.ca (The One Who Walks) writes...
>   H'lo again.
> 
>   In response to using magick to cure the common cold/flu, it has been in
>both my personal experience and in some of the better literature that I've
>read, that magick really shouldn't be used to treat these illnesses. The

  but if the flu would incapacitate you, say,, during final exams, or 
while you have to work around other sick people, (you dont want to spread
it), protection might be good.( especially if they are
immunocompromised)   plus,, if you work in a hospital around
the infectious disease ward, you can feel the  different vibes on that
floor, and the idea that disease starts with a bad vibration, is more
believeable to me now.. anyway..
thanks for your input. What I wanted to ask also to the board was,
as aids spreads, people will probably repress their desire,, the 
desire will displace itself in other vehicles.  astral sex will
probably be the most likely displacement. since most people dont 
know much about esoteric/occult matters, except maybe from time/life
.(ima talking the major wad here)
do you think that there are entities that will take advantage of
the situation of repression. turmoil/panic that humans will be
undergoing? that is, astralsex, but with what? most people wont know if 
it is a demon, dead person, what effect it will have,, they will
just think,, Hey! this is great! maybe some spiritual mutants will 
arise in the future? eggs in the aura laid by wot? anybody ideas
on this? social ramifications? 




       -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:24:34 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca>, bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.102801.26616@gdr.bath.ac.uk>,
> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:

> |>Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
> |>in Crop Circles?
> |>
> |>Chris
>              
> Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.
>                        ^^^^^^^^
> Brian /-|-\

Reveiled as a prank, eh? What were they originally unveiled as?  :-)

I heard that the only prank proven thus far was that some jokers tried to take
credit for it, but it was found that either they were lying or they couldn't
be used to account for all the circles.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: goth@ere.gort.edu
Subject: Re: Hi!
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.202334.4078@pellns.alleg.edu> goth@ere.gort.edu  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep26.213031.16959@ultb.isc.rit.edu>  
> kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio) writes:
> > I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend someone in the  
> Rochester,
> > New York area who can answer some questions and maybe direct me to  
> someone
> > who can train me in a given (and as of yet, unknown) direction.
> > 
> > If you want any information about me, feel free to drop me a line and  
> let me
> > know...
> > 
> > Thanks in advance...

> My e-mail is on the fritz so I have to post. If you aren't worried about  
> taking a few very dangerous (though enlightening) chances, contact a  
Mike  
> MacMillan. His phone number is 416-3816. I worked with him for a couple  
of                               ^^^^^^^^
> years and learned more than I ever thought possible. He is also a  
Satanic  
> High Priest, in case you are/aren't into that sort of thing. Don't let  
his  
> appearence fool you, he has MUCH power and should not be disturbed  
unless  
> you are serious about magick. I hope you learn as much as I did. 
>

Ooops! I screwed up his phone number. Its 461-3816. I hope I didn't have  
yoo call Rhode Island or something. 

> -Edward Gothowski
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:30:52 GMT

smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) writes:

: >"Thought I oughtta bare my naked feelings,
: > Thought I oughtta tear the curtain down.
: > I held the blade in trembling hands, prepared to make it but
: > Just then the phone rang; I never had the nerve to make the final cut."
: 
: 	The .sig fits the destructiveness of the post nicely.
: 
: 	Maybe you  guys should read more philosophy and concentrate
: on "magick" less. 
: 
: 	Lost Boy 

Maybe, My Boy, you should develop a sense of humor. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:52:57 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta) writes:
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
: >>		-Enki
: >>(Anyone who knows, knows where my name came from and what it >means :))
: >
: >Oh friend of mankind, he who warned us of the flood, he who protects us
: >from the frivolous teachings of lesser gods, guide our way, mighty Ea.
: 
: Ahhh....so you do know.  Then don't underestimate it.  I didn't choose the
: name out of arrogance.  And yes, I am a friend of mankind.  I don't
: protect from the teachings of lesser gods.  I didn't warn anyone of anything
: I only put right those things that I can before they go wrong.  And, who
: knows, maybe I am guiding the way.
: 
: Take this with a grain of salt, because belief and skepticism are two sides
: of the same coin....and both lead to foolishness.
: 
: 			-Enki<<

Get off the crack, johnny. Anyone who >knows< knows that one does not choose
the god but the God chooses you. 

Colin Low is to be much respected and his treatise on the Necronomicon I
find quite worthile. More than I can say for your cryptic diarrhea.

It is unfortunate that the latest printing of the Necronomicon ripped off
outdated Babylonian text and used Sumerian names mixed up with the Goetia
and Clavicula Salomonis.

Enki after all his wand waving and hocus pocus blew it in the face of Tiamat
when confronted with her emmissary Kingu.

Be careful of your presumtion, less ye be innundated and plagued by the
waters of Enki/Ea tricked once more with the real hero of the gods
Marduk/Enlil!

If you are really interested in Sumerio/Babylonian magic find a way to study
the Maqlu and Shurpu magical texts. But whatever you do spare us this
infantile foreboding before we all truly die of boredom.

Eshin-Fun

: 
: --
:
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:43:44 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I contradict my own desire to see this issue die out by posting a response. . .

Whatever the Necronomicon is, based on fiction, based in fact, based in
dark, possibly Satanic origins or based in ancient Sumerian faith, the
book means something to everyone.

To some it is a work of fiction, an annoyance best left ignored.

To some it is a psychological construct, a "book" which derives its
power from those who believe in it, and not necessarily existence.

To some it is the gospel, a "guidebook to living in the twenty-first
century" (paraphrased from the Simon edition).

And to some it is a curiosity, something mysterious, something they
heard about in a story or from a friend, the title of a gaming magazine,
the title of some book of art by H.R. Giger, the name of a Heavy Metal
band.

Whatever it is, the Necronomicon means whatever you want it to mean. 
Believe in it.  Disbelieve it.  Worship it.  Write your own.

It's your choice, and you can damn well think whatever you want about
it, just like you can any other subject.

My own opinion about the N-con?  That's my business.



Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: evil and "dualism"
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:00:01 GMT

mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:
> The first letter of the bible indicates that satan was around long 
> before god, silly! Try a good interlinear text, and you'll see! 

What, the Hebrew letter "Beth?"  While Kabbalists do in fact read quite a lot 
into this, it is generally given a rather positive interpretation.  Perhaps 
you could elaborate...


Amanda Walker
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: Necronomicon
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:14:58 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

The newly arrived should be informed, of course, that almost every sentence
in the Necronomicon FAQ (posted by Colin Low) is false ....

Robert Mathiesen, Brown (i.e. Mishkatonic) University, SL500000@BROWNVM
From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Flamage (was inner circle)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:41:46 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

In article <66298@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
|> To put it as a more simple analogy, I think that the person who touches
|> the stove is responsible for the PAIN of their finger, while the stove
|> is responsible for its HEAT.  If there is a sign next to the burner which
|> says "It has been shown that bare fingers placed upon these burners will
|> experience pain", then those who touch it deserve what is coming to them.
|> If there is no sign, then it can only be considered an unfortunate accident.

I have to say that your analogy here is way off base.  Flaming a new (or
even experienced) person here is the act of an intelligent (hopefully)
person not an inanimate object.  Your analogy may be more appropriate to
actually working with magic except that the burnEE is more like a two year
old who can't read and sees all the activity at the stove as "interesting".
Perhaps flaming is like the parent who yells at the child to not touch the
stove because of the immanent danger but there is an underlying issue of
intent and execution which can be the difference between warning from concern
and verbal abuse.

However you want to rationalize it, flames are abusive verbage which usually
indicate some instability and immaturity of the flamer not the flamee.  I
also find that flames tend to come from the groin and not from the head.
This is especially true the more personal the flames get (i.e. flaming the
person or group stereo-type rather than arguments).

The inner circle (if there is one) should be more concerned with encourage-
ment than deprecation.

	-Christopher

	He who curses loudest is cursing his secret self.
From: eburke@phakt.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: 28 Sep 1992 09:41:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Maybe, it should be a moving con...That way, make it more accessible to those
who can't just get on a plane and fly cross country, or half way across 
the country.  Find out where the majority of people live next to what "central"
locations and set the sites for those places?  I know that I couldn't go across
from here (CA) to the Midwest or the East, and I'm sure that there are others
in similar situations...:)

Just an idea...
Blessed be,
Kethry
eburke@huey.csun.edu
eburke@aludra.usc.edu
*****************************************************************************
The Earth is my Mother, the Sky, my Father.  Between them I live, forever I
love.......
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:03:19 GMT
Followup-To: alt.magick
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <BvCCGB.3J0@acsu.buffalo.edu>
oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes: 


>This has nothing to do with magick.
> [10 times]

>I'm sure you can find a more appropriate group for this.

If you are unable to see tha magic{k}al relevance of this sort of
action, I suggest you go back to your introductory books on magical
working, page one, and start over. You clearly didn't learn anything
the first time round.

--
Chris Lilley
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Followup: sci.philosophy.meta

This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.

I'm sure you can find a more appropriate group.

- Peggy -

In article <BvBA0y.AEn.2@cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Ockerbloom) writes...
>In <1a6pgtINNt5d@gap.caltech.edu> Mike Jittlov writes:
>>
>>   "PRACTICE RANDOM KINDNESS AND SENSELESS ACTS OF BEAUTY"
>>
>>Anyone who's cruised the Newsgroups has seen that phrase, often
>>used in a somebody's sig-quote.  Do you know where it came from?
> 
>The article which accompanies that phrase first appeared in Glamour
>magazine, in their December 1991 issue.  Several netters picked it out
>of there and posted it to various newsgroups, and it quickly spread
>throughout the Net.
> 
>Our library database doesn't list an author for the article, but Glamour
>should be able to work out permissions if you want to reprint.
> 
>Hope this helps,
> 
>   John Ockerbloom
>-- 
>==========================================================================
>ockerbloom@cs.cmu.edu                4209 Murray Ave., Pittsburgh PA 15217
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,alt.religion.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: Technical Terms For New users....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:47:05 GMT

mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
    ^^^^^^^^

Please To Note the Domain...

] In article <1992Sep30.212800.24835@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] 
] >Or do your presume that 'super computers' wear leotards,
] >with a Big S on them, and have Capes, and change in 
] >phone booths from ordinary PC's.....
] >
] SSSHHHHHHH!
] You were NOT supposed to TELL.
] 
] muriel
] standard disclaimer
 

It is Good that she is not an Intel i860 supporter....

We will NOT talk about folks who compile tools
on C90's in a 32bit model....

ciao
drieux


ps: for the slow readers, this is called a Technical Flame,
Please Consult your Unix Guru for the technical specification
that may be operable in your Area, or Call TechSupport for
a four colour glossy on this....




-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: prener@watson.ibm.com (Dan Prener)
Subject: Re: consultant
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:53:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, New York

In article <1992Oct2.182319.10534@cs.mcgill.ca> pone@cs.mcgill.ca (Daniel (...) Shields) writes:

>Is it considered correct to say "I consult with" or "I consult for" when
>referring to a position in a company for which the job title is 
>"consultant" ?  Thanks.

The only usage I have heard would use "consult for".  That is, "consult with"
implies asking questions, while "consult for" implies answering them.
--
                                   Dan Prener (prener@watson.ibm.com)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english