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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:19:54 CST
From:         "Alejandro J. Kurczyn S." <AKURCZYN@ITESMVF1.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Commodore 64 RE: Boot Disk/Programs

>No the C-65 does not have a boot disk. The closest to a boot program
>that you will see on the C-64 is LOAD "*",8,1  what this does is this.
>It consults the directory and the first program on it is loaded and
>the ,1 tells it to place the program in the memory address specified by
>the 3rd and 4th byte of the 1st block in the program. This is how the
>programs will auto-execute often. The memory block that is written
>to will be a section that is pointed to by an interrupt and the program
>will execute. Hope that answers your question....
>
>AMIGA QUERY: Does anyone know the layout of bytes in a typical
>AmigaDos Format....I would like to know how to determine the location
>of the Directory blocks and which bytes are used to represent links, and
>which bytes are checksums, etc. Any help with this type of information
>would be appreciated. If I can get this information, I will design a
>better sector editor than the ones I have presently used. Any suggestions
>of good PD Sector
>would be appreciated.

I think Deksid is one of the best, give it a try.

It's available on the net or you can mail me for a copy.

-Alejandro K.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:39:00 EDT
From:         BARNETTJ@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Postscript Prowrite & Copyright Infringment

After several weeks of questioning how to get Prowrite to recognize
the existance of Postscript fonts available on a printer, or Postscript
driver, I found that Prowrite needs Font.Metric files in the fonts
directory.  I also found that a Commercially available program called
MIFont will convert Macfonts to .metric fonts and bitmaps.  Moreover,
Saxonscript has a utility to convert postscript fonts that are adobe or
TYpe I or TYpe 3 into a form it can download to the printer when it is
doing its postscript interpretation.

My question is this:  I have converted helvetica, courier, zapfdingbats,
zapfchancery, and several others to the .metric extension using MIfont.
If I uploaded these to the ftp sites to help others who were
having the same difficulty I had been having, is this a violation of
copyright?

While I am at it, question 2:  Does anyone know of a ftp site with
mac postscript fonts for download?
Thanks
Jordan
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:09:37 EST
From:         Fernando da Silveira Montenegro <silveira@INF.UFRGS.BR>
Subject:      Diskfont Library

Hi everyone!
I'm a bit desperate. I'm looking for version 37 of the diskfont.library.
The version that came with my WB disks is 36.66. HELP!!!!
Thanks!
Fernando Montenegro
silveira@inf.ufrgs.br || fsm@vortex.ufrgs.br
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:51:00 -0300
From:         Gelson Dias Santos <GELSON@VORTEX.UFRGS.BR>
Subject:      Re: Softwares

  DMCGHEE1@UA1VM.BITNET writes:

> On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:50:00 CDT <ST1DM@JETSON.UH.EDU> said:
> >Hi Netters,
> >
> >        Does anybody know that if there are some softwares available
> >in Amiga for Electrical Engineering study, such as math calculations,
> >circuit drawing and design as well as analysis... ?
> >
> >        Thanks for your concern.
> >
> >Long.
>
> I use ASPICE for analog circuit simulation/analysis.  It is on the fish disks
> somewhere...
>
> Other software I can think of off hand is commercial.  Maple will do symblolic
> math.  There is X-Cad professional for schematics work.  (And maybe ProNet?
> professional???  Been a while since I looked into this).  Can't vouch for
> these though, because I don't use them.   Hope this helps....


  I have been looking for ElectroCad demo since I read a review on Amiga
Format. It's a CAD/PCB router commercial program, but the Demo version seems
very usefull. They say it's available from various PD sources, but I never
found it on the net. Sometime ago Archie pointed me to wolfen.cc.uow.edu, on a
ab20 mirror directory, but that site does not exists anymore :-(. I already
tried the wuarchive, (I even asked their manager) and there is nothing there.
  If someone knows where it can be found, please tell us.
  OBS: the PCB routing feature is available only in the latest version (1.4, I
think).
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:12:55 -0400
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Subject:      Re: FTP

me too
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:38:00 GMT
From:         Karl Wyer <MEC3WYERKS@TRENT.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Robinson 1, Commodore 0

Subject:  Re: Robinson 1, Commodore 0

Of interest to people who are following the Robinson saga:

>>In article <1992Jul28.233245.8900@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker) writes:
>>Add my name to the list of those who were underwhelmed by Commodore's
>>reply to Philip Robinson's column proclaiming the Amiga's death.  They
>>

[Stuff deleted, you've all read this by now!]

>[Dave, this isn't directed at you in particular.]
>
>My, my.  Such strong words.  How have you been duped in the past 6 or 7 years?
>
>The way I see it is that we have a bunch of screaming, whining babies who are
>afraid to buy 3rd party enhancements for their computer and/or are angry
>because they won't get a free upgrade to whatever technology they want next.

I, as one of the people who agree with some of Robinson's comments, am a
little tired of truly negative comments like the above.  I'm most
definitely not angry, more dissapointed that Commodore have lost the
technological advantage they held over other computer manufacturers.
Whether this has been lost through neglect or bad management, I wont
comment on.

As for third party enhancements I have spent over 3 times the price of my
A500 on 3rd party enhancements.  I don't want to see this investment wasted on
a computer that appears to be wallowing in yesterdays technology.  I appreciate
that there is a limit to how much longer the A500 can be competitive, but,
as of yet (though this may change, soon?) there is no machine that would be
worth upgrading to, even if I could afford to.  Commodore will have to
bring out a machine that is competitive on price and performance.  IBM
compats may be poor now, but give them 5 years, in which time they will
have stopped writing 16-bit software for a 32-bit machine, things can only
improve.  In five years I want to buy an Amiga that will still beat IBM's.

>I'm not saying that CBM is perfect (far from it); but you can whine all year
>long, and just like -MB-, if you can't put your finger on what exactly you're
>whining about, you'll be ignored just like him.  There is a lot of hot air
>in this newsgroup.  I have yet to figure out why.

Robinson made no mention of how to improve the Amiga, and I don't think he
was ignored, was he.

>Come on, folks, let's hear it.  WHY are you so angry?

>Remember: TANSTAAFL

>Glenn Doiron

Karl.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:55:00 PDT
From:         Andy Kohler <ECZ5ACK@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AM-Report

> Lance,
>
> I was tied up in meetings all last evening and didn't get a chance to check
> GEnie, but I believe I've seen the AM-Reports archived in the libraries there.
> Maybe I can check this evening.  If no one else has access to them through a
> local BBS, I may be able to forward them here.
>
> Jim Loomis      LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET        607-274-3913

Why not just get them from wuarchive.wustl.edu?  Latest report in
/systems/amiga/incoming/(text or news, can't remember);
older reports in /systems/amiga/info/amreports.

Andy Kohler
ecz5ack@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
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Subject: Re: pkazip
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:11:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

hibrown@CS.ALBANY.EDU (Herbert I Brown) writes:


>	From: Cocteau <IBY141%URIACC.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

>	  I'm currently looking for a CLI based ZIP archive utility.  I have NOT
>	been able to find one,  even through archie.  I've found plenty of unzip
>	utilities,  but none that will Zip.  Maybe i'm not looking too well!
>	Anyway,  if you have one or know of an FTP site where I may obtain one,
>	please drop me a note.

>	  Thanks in advance..

>	  Viva la Amiga!

>	Andrew Cerreault / iby141@uriacc.uri.edu

>The pgm you should search for is called pkazip.
u

Pkazip doesn't do it... he wants a *CLI* based ZIP util, not intuition 
based.

--Kelvin
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:35:00 PST
From:         "Matt Sawyer" <SAWYER_M@PLU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Zmodem

I believe last time I went looking for zmodem, I looked on gatekeeper.dec.com
for it.  Can't recall the specific directory but look for something in the
way of VMS.

Matt Sawyer
sawyer_m@plu.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:39:00 EDT
From:         BARNETTJ@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      For Sale GVP PC286 AT Module

Still for sale for those interested, a GVP series II AT 286 module
to plug into the mini-slot of the GVP series II harddrives to allow
286 AT compatibility.  The unit is less than one year old, in excellent
condition, includes all manuals, and I will also include the MSDOS 3.2
and its manuals.  For those who are in medicine, I will also include
ILLIad for the IBM, which is a windows utility program which does
medical diagnostics.
Please send best offer.  I am liooking for about $200.00
If you are mailing me via internet, I will need you PRECISE internet
username and address to respond to your queries.  Else, please include
your phone number and I will call you back
Sincerely
Jordan Barnett
BarnettJ@snysyrv1.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:50:00 CDT
From:         ST1DM@JETSON.UH.EDU
Subject:      Softwares

Hi Netters,

        Does anybody know that if there are some softwares available
in Amiga for Electrical Engineering study, such as math calculations,
circuit drawing and design as well as analysis... ?

        Thanks for your concern.

Long.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:44:00 EDT
From:         Jim Loomis <LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Direct access to C64 bus with Amiga (fast file transfer?)

Gertjen,

I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress with the project.  Leaving the
display to the C64 and simply controlling the C64 and passing data via the
44 pin port should be _relatively_ straightforward.  You might be able to get
your hands on an old C64 developers kit somewhere, which would have useful
information.  Do you have any of the old C64 resources, such as "Mapping the
C64", etc.?  They may also be available to you locally.

Perhaps as a later or second step, I would suggest that there is merit in doing
the screen emulation on the Amiga, as an option.  Not only is the monitor one
of the most power hungry peripheral devices, it is also a close contender with
the printer in physical bulk.

Jim Loomis      LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET        607-274-3913
        Director, Telecommunications Facilities
        Roy H. Park School of Communications
        Ithaca College, Ithaca, NY 14850-7256 USA
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:00:23 PDT
From:         Stephen Truxton <struxton@HICOM.HITACHI.COM>

Subject:  Do the following progs work w/ WB2.0?

Hola!
I've been thinking about upgrading from 1.3 to 2.0 but
first wanted to know how much of my software will be
affected.

Does anyone out there know whether the following
programs will run correctly under WB2.0?

	 Aegis Animator

	 WordPerfect Library

	 Logic Works

	 Descartes

	 Maurauder

	 Deluxe Music Construction Set

	 SoundScape Pro Midi Studio

	 SoundScape Utilities2

	 SoundScape Pattern Splatter

	 Jet

	 Lords of the Rising Sun
	(I have *gobs* of other games, but I especially like these)


Thank you and God bless!
stephen truxton


struxton@scuacc.scu.edu
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Subject: C64->AMIGA FAST Program
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:26:00 GMT
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Terry,

I'm pretty certain that I have the complete file on FAST, including how to make
the cable.  Unfortunately, I'm not directly on the Internet.  I could get it to
you as a uuencoded file, however.  I'll see if I can find it and encode it when
I get home this evening.  Also, are you sure that it has been released to the
public domain?  I think it was copyright by Q-Link when I got it, but that was
several years ago.

Jim Loomis      LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET        607-274-3913
        Director, Telecommunications Facilities
        Roy H. Park School of Communications
        Ithaca College, Ithaca, NY 14850-7256 USA
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:36:38 -0400
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Subject:      Amiga Show
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Since it sounds like the next World of the Amiga will be very
important to us, I
I'll like to ask, is anyone going? If so, could you post what you
see at the show when you get home? (I would hate to read something
big 2 months from the show date in the Amiga mags....)

Carlos
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:52:00 EDT
From:         Jim Loomis <LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AM-Report

Ike,

If it contains pertinent information, doesn't violate anyones copyright, and
isn't more than a few hundred lines long I'd post it here.  I'd like to see
it.

Jim Loomis      LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET        607-274-3913
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From:         GertJan@AMIGA.HSE.NL
Subject:      Direct access to C64 bus with Amiga (fast file transfer?)

OK, as some people (including *moi*) still have to transfer programs between
the Commodore 64 and the Amiga, there have been different solutions for this
problem:

*  a null-modem-cable, using communications software for filetransfer;
   this is not very speedy at 2400 BPS max.

*  parallel cable between the C64 userport and Amiga's parallelport;
   this can work fast with 8 bits and quick handshaking (I build something
   like this to use my C64 as a printerspooler). The FAST! software
   from the Startup-file uses only 4 bits at a time... oh well..

*  an IEC-interface to connect a 1541 drive; this is probably the best
   solution, but lacks a decent copy-program (mmm... I may be tempted to do
   that someday :)

Another method occured to some friends and me, as we were brainstorming
about something like this... using the 44-pin expansion port of the C64 !
                             ------------------------------------------

Imagine direct access to the C64 memory: writing in screenmemory to display
information, reading and writing in the heap (like a small ramdisk), writing
in SID registers thus having three extra soundchannels, etc. etc.
And with a little software, file transfers could be *very* fast!


I've taken a look in the Commodore 64 Programmers Reference Guide (took me
an hour or so to find that book in my basement) and in the Input/Output-
section some important lines are described. The following lines should be
enough to control the C64:
BA (BUS AVAILABLE) - Low when bus not in use by VIC chip
DMA (DIRECT MEMORY ACCESS) - make low to gain access of the bus
R/W - cannot gain access of bus when CPU is in write-cycle
phi2 - data valid at falling edge of systemclock

Offcourse the address- and data-lines must be connected too.

The Amiga might control all this using its 86-pin expansion port (tricky...)
or the parallelport, using latches for the addresslines to the C64.

Is everything as 'simple' as it looks, or is there more to it ?
Because I have never seen an interface of this kind...

So, has somebody already done some research in this area, and/or is this
possible?

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Subject:      wanted: 1X4 Zip Drams

Hi-
        I'm not sure if it's inappropriate to post about this here, but
here goes:  I'm looking for 1X4 Zip Drams (120NS or faster).  If anybody
has any for sale, please let me know.


Adam (tkt1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu)
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From:         "MATTHEW STRATFOLD" <M.P.Stratfold@OPEN.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Game Called -- GODS!

>Does anyone out here know the passwords to all the levels in GODS?
>IF you do, please send them to me, this game is driving me crazy!
>Paul

There aren't any transferable level codes for GODS, each copy makes it's
own codes which it writes to disk when you complete a section.  Codes that
one person has will not then work on someone elses game.

Though if anybody has any cheats I'd like to know, because I'm stuck too. :)

Matthew.  M.P.Stratfold@open.ac.uk
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Subject:      Re: 3000 memory

>
> As far as doing the 25Mhz hack, no problem!  Most companies underate their chi
> 40-50%.  i have a 25 Mhz 030 running at 36.8Mhz no problems, no intermittent c
> shes, nothing! i should say I had, just sold it to buy a 3000!!
>

Yo,

  Could you please mail me how to do it ?
  A friend of mine has an A2630, and he also thinks 25Mhz is too slow.

  Thanx,

     Aeneas.


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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:35:31 MST
From:         Stephen Vermeulen <SVermeulen@RAGNAROK.MTROYAL.AB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Help with GVP Series II A2000-RAM8
X-To:         chaotic!MtRoyal.AB.CA!vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA!AMIGA-L
              @chaotic.mtroyal.ab.ca

:Hi,
:
:        I have a problem. I have a Great Valley Products Series II A2000-RAM8
:memory expansion board which I have been trying to use. I have the jumpers
:set to indicate that only 2 MB of expansion memory are present(J6 & J9),
:I even tried the J15 setting for revision 4.1 -> 4.3 motherboard(mine is
:Revision 6.2). The problem is this...it worked great until I tried to
:boot up Sas/C V5.1   the system went crazy with the first GURU #0000000A
:and progressing through all sorts of numbers including #00000003  #00000004
:and others. I would try booting WorkBench and the system would crash with
:the same numbers....I could turn off the computer wait a couple of minutes
:and turn it on again.....it would crash.....It is strange it worked fine,
:but Sas/C 5.1 seems to trigger an action that will cause your system to
:permanently crash until the board is removed. I would like to have access
:to the memory so I can mount my WorkBench in a RAD: device and gain a
:little speed since I don't have an HD(I plan to purchase an A3000 soon).
:Any help on getting this working, explanations, suggestions, would be
:vastl appreciated...
:
:
:Thanks in advance,
:
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Very strange indeed, if you have access to a local BBS carrying FidoNet
confernces you should drop in on the Gvp Support conference and talk
directly to the GVP service guys.

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