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From: IO20816@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Kevin Foss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: MS-Windows and Roland SCC-1
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:30:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Dec22.232949.970@sinus.stgt.sub.org>, stefan@sinus.stgt.sub.org
(Stefan Bechtold) says:
>I've a problem with the installation of the SCC-1 card under windows.
>I have tried to install it with the MPU-401 driver but when I
>install it, an error message occure (which says that there is
>either an installation or an hardware error) and I can't use the
>scc-1 with all windows programs (for example that utility where
>you can use your soundcard to replace the PC-speaker in the case
>of error messages).
>
>Does anybody have the same problem or does someone has some hints ?
>Does anobody have this configuration without any problems ?

Well, the important thing to consider here, is the problems most probably have
nothing to do with the SCC-1, and possibly not with the MPU-401 either.  But
rather the problem may be the irq level on the actual board, which you connect
the MPU-401 to.  There are little jumpers on there which allow you to change
the value to something that Windows may like better, (like 2).

By the way, I am assuming, that the SCC-1 sets up the same way that my CM-32L
did, with a board in a computer, the MPU-401, and then the sound module plugged
into that.   Anyways, my Roland sound board was default configured to like IRQ
9 or something, which the Windows driver (and a lot of other software) would
not like, and game me a weird hardware error also.  Change it something you
have free, and give it a shot again.   Even if the driver says it supports like
irq 2/9, don't necessarily trust it - I tried alot and only could get it to
support 2 not 9.

hope this helps,
-Kevin
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Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 01:21:00 CST
From: Paul A. Larson <U37673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 ASP; first impressions
 <Dec30.034217.26106@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>

 why why why why?
From: joseph@aludra.usc.edu (Jeff Lawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: A MOD player for the GUS
Date: 27 Dec 1992 00:20:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Okay, folks!  Here's my beta version of the MODulator, which is a
module editor/player for the Ultrasound.  I have not yet implimented
most of the commands, the playing speeds are approximated greatly, and
most of the editing part isn't even implimented, however, it is fun to
play with.

You can find it on klingon.epas.utoronto.ca in the
/pub/pc/ultrasound/submit directory under the filename modul10.zip

Remember, it is still very buggy, but in a few days, I will hopefully
have support of most, if not all commands.

Send any comments to joseph@aludra.usc.edu


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Jeff Lawson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: rck@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (ron.kukuk)
Subject: Does the Windows Sound Recorder work with GUS?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:12:50 GMT

Or does GUS work with the Windows Sound Recorder?  I'd like to make some
wav files, but when I tried recording, all I recorded was nothing.

Some help would be appreciated ...

Ron Kukuk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: FTP'ing and Stuff
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:17:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan01.093000.12720@rose.com> francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 01-01-93 04:26
>I have just downloaded the new Windows drivers for the GUS, and I THINK I
>installed it correctly.  However, now I can't play any MIDI songs in Windows.
>I've tried using WinJammer and Media Player.  I don't get any errors at all
>-- silence just comes out...
>
>I copied both the .DRV files and the .386 file to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM and I
>installed "Ultra Wave and MIDI Synth" from the Control Panel.  When I select
>MIDI Mapper, all of the port names are "Ultrasound MIDI and Synth", all the
>patch map names are "Ultra", and all of the active boxes have an "X" in
>them.
>
>Can someone please help me out?
>

You shouldn't have had to copy your .drv files by hand.  To install your
Windows drivers, you would select "unlisted driver", then point to the
ultrasnd\windows directory.  The drivers should have been copied for you.
If you installed the drivers differently, then try removing them and
reinstalling them as I have described.  Also, as the docs say, you
must remove your old drivers via the control panel, reboot Windows,
and then install the new drivers.  You can't just install the new ones
"over the old", as it were (though, technically, you will be).  And since 
you didn't mention it, did you copy midimap.cfg from your ultrasnd\windows 
directory to windows\system?

Good luck!
Phat.
From: lahikain@lut.fi (Mikko Lahikainen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: My soundblaster Blues...
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:31:39 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

I was a happy owner of a sbpro. Then my cousin wanted to buy it and I sold
it to him...

I thought that sbpro2 must be better than sbpro so I bought
pro2 --> problems with fm sounds (quiet high pitched noise).

And finally I got sb 16... problems with fm sounds were gone and
the sound with SB's own drivers was terrific...

but some third party software using soundblaster do not sound that good...
FM-sounds are ok, but at the beginning of speech and other digitized sound 
effects you can hear a cracked sound and the sample has some backround 
noise... e.g. you can notice this while playing games.

I've tried to change irq, dma, internal amplifier settings...
I even tested sb 16 with another computer, tested another sb16 (not mine)
on a friends machine...
The environment settings were set correctly  every time and asp.sys was 
loaded.

Nothing seems to help... Of course I could use internal treble control to
adjust treble level  so that the noise wouldn't be so irritating.

I'd like hear commnents from other sb16 owners whether they had same kind of
problems...

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From: "Nathan Gregory" <p00211@psilink.com>
Subject: PAS 16 drivers
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:31:04 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

Anyone know the status of new drivers for the PAS?  Is there
any way to FTP the latest, or must I dial their BBS (Long distance!)
to download them?

What about an FTP source for .MOD files and MIDI files to play on it?

Cheers,
Nathan

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From: darla@shell.portal.com (Kuby Downs)
Subject: Re: What sequencers use old SB MIDI interface?
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:34:30 GMT

Matt Garretson (kaminl@rebecca.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
=>The subject pretty much says it all. I have an old original SB. I am going
=>to try to build the MIDI connector and get a hold of a midi keyboard. Now
=>what are some [low-cost] sequencers that I can mess around with?
=>
=>Thanks.
=>-- 
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There are many.
For DOS try SONGWRIT ; Dr T's new one Quick Score Deluxe; of course alsoo
Cakewalk for both DOS and Windows. Voyetra line.

For Windows Cakewalk for Windows ; Winjammer (this is shareware, make sure
you get version 2.2 that one supports the SB.

Hope this helps a bit.
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From: fbruno@ysw526 (F. Bruno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Opti Problems
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:38:40 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Sanders
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I realize that this isn't quite the place to be discussing soundcard problems,
but... Recently I have been reading about the problems people have been having
with Opti based motherboards. I have had problems with my motherboard telling
me that there was a keyboard problem on all cold starts and also my SBpro
would only play out of the left speaker. I just bought a 486-50 FOREX MB and
lo and behold, my SBpro now plays stereo properly! I have a diamond stealth
VRAM, my new MB is local bus...  should I spring for the local bus card?
			Thanks for the help,
				Frank
From: ncpmont@angelo.amd.com (Mark Montgomery)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Wierdest Volume Problem w/ PAS-16
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:50:24 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

I have 2 386-40 computers but w/ different make motherboards - I have
2 MediaVision PAS-16 soundcards - both PAS's work normally in one of
the systems (so it's not a bad PAS) but in the other the sound/music
and synthesizer channels playback at a much lower volume than the
DMA (speech) channel upon boot-up or after reset.  This disparity
in volume goes away if I load the install program (but don't do
anything but exit).  I have used the PAS.EXE mixer program to read
back everything from the board (i.e. "pas get vol left", etc) and see
no differences before and after runnung the install program.  It's
clear to me that the install program does something to the boards
settings as there is a 'pop' sound and the volume comes up on the
music channels but I sure can't figure out what.   Any ideas ????
				Regards,  Mark
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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Calling all GUS SDKers and users!
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:39:01 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <BzJx6y.9Ku@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
> . . . .  Since few real instruments experience a
>significant change in waveform as their sustain dies, this approach is
>quit simple and yet realistic. . . . .

Not true.  For example, instruments with plucked or struck strings have
the higher frequencies die off more quickly than the lower frequencies.
Samplers often use low-pass filters to simulate this effect.  Damping
(such as when a piano key is raised) also affects higher frequencies
first, on a much shorter time scale.

To a fair extent you can compensate for a lack of filters by cross-fading
between two samples, the second one being a low-pass-filtered version
of the first.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: On GUS memory (question)
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:42:04 GMT
Organization: UT Austin Computation Center, Unix Services

In article <19053@mindlink.bc.ca> Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) writes:
>I may be missing something obvious, but I was just wondering...
>If the GUS needs patches loaded into its memory, how on earth could you have
>(even with 1MB onboard) more than a few short, CD-quality voices in memory at
>the same time?  How could you, say, have a music file with 14.4K voices and
>have any decent number of them at all?  ESPECIALLY without the memory
>extension...  Even if it loads them dynamically, that must be
>time-consuming... and what if you want to have 32 14.4K 10 second voices
>going all at once?  They'd never fit!


In theory, and in practice, the GUS works just fine as a multi-timbral
soundcard (even with only 256k, but 1Meg is definitely a must).  

In the above example (32 14.4K samples) one would need at least 460.8K to
load them all, which with 1Meg leaves about 600K left for another 32
voices of the same size.  Of course, a 10 second sample that is only
14.4K will have been sampled at 1.4KHz, which gives a pretty sad freq.
response (unless you're sampling something like the ruble of a subway
as heard through a thick concrete wall.  aka, max. freq. of 700Hz)

However, at CD sampling rate (44.1KHz) one could fit 23sec of samples
into a 1Meg card (44.1K/sec/1024K).  That's quite a bit considering that 
the average musical event is not much more than a second's worth of sound 
information, so based on that hypothesis one could have 23 1sec. CD-quality 
samples in a 1Meg GUS.

Anyway, the GUS plays a piano, guitar, bass, and full drum set with
plenty of space left over for more sounds, and these instruments are
sampled at respectable rates (based on sound quality, not actual info).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: janicek@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jana Janicek)
Subject: Re: GUS Memory problem
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:23:06 GMT

In <1992Dec30.043157.28123@wam.umd.edu> adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:

>I have a GUS with 1 meg on board (70ns original + 768k of 80ns).  Every time
>I run the DRAM program I end up with the last bank of 2 chips reported bad.
>Everything works OK (well, almost...read on), but this concerns me.

[STUFF DELETED]

>I am asking for opinions here, about what I should do.  I don't feel like
>opening up my machine until its absolutely necessary (I have this HUGE tower
>case neatly tucked under my desk...).  Think I definitely have a ram problem
>or can someone tell me whether this happens to them also...?  Is the DRAM
>program probably reliable in this case?

So far, I have not had any complaints of my DRAM tester not reporting
accurate results. You must remember to disable any GUS TSR's, not to test
under Windows and SBOS. If you follow these rules, the program should
work. I have had one report of flakey results, but these were probably due
to flakey chips and temperature adjustments, ie: the chips were plugged in
when they were cold, but they later turned out to be ok.. You may be
facing some bad chips.
I will be thouroughly testing my DRAM tester on January 4th, both with
good and bad Dram, than I will release a final release version.


>(I'll UL the new drivers and program to epas ASAP)

Great, thanks, can't wait..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: knepley@CS.ColoState.EDU (Ranseus (Jim Knepley))
Subject: Game company Email addresses? 
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 00:59:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

I've heard a lot of people asking me (and the net collectively) to write
to game companies asking them to support for the GUS.  To date, I have
seen exactly no addresses to send EMail to.  I'd specifically like
the addresses of the following companies' development and/or PR reps.

Origin/Electronic Arts (EA supports GUS now, yes?)
Sierra
Dynamix
LucasArts
Accolade
Access Software

I was amused that a guy at LucasArts accused the GUS's speach of sounding
like garbage.  What exactly was he listening to?!?

We're off to see the wizard!
  Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: root@darkman.Berkeley.EDU (God of Darkman)
Subject: Re: Serial Port Interface
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:20:08 GMT
Reply-To: root@darkman.Berkeley.EDU (God of Darkman)
Organization: IBM Austin

moore@hostname.austin.ibm.com (Mark Moore) writes: (re parallel port D/As)
>
>Speech Things are sold in many SW/HW stores.  Sound Critter can be ordered 
>from A Better Way at (512)836-5936.
>                              ^^^^^--wrong number

The correct number for A Better Way is (512)836-5316
Their address is 1711 Rutland Drive #1223 / Austin, TX 78758 / USA.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez)
Subject: Windows & GUS Probs
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:43:26 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-01-93 15:37
Okay, I've tried everything to get MIDI songs to play in Windows, and I
still can't.  I just got the Patch Manager and I can't even get any patches
to load up!  There are no patches available for selection in the windows,
and I can't get any patches from MIDI songs as well.  I also got the
MIDIDRUM file from the Gravis BBS, and that doesn't work as well.  The WAVs
play fine though, its just the MIDs that don't make any sound (and yes, I
did check the volume for playing MIDI in the mixer).

This is my ULTRASND\WINDOWS directory...

Directory of C:\ULTRASND\WINDOWS

.            <DIR>     12-24-92   1:14p
..           <DIR>     12-24-92   1:14p
GFD0012  TXT      1984 12-25-92  12:52p
GFC0012  TXT       633 12-25-92  12:50p
ULTRASND DRV     65440 12-16-92  10:06p
ULTMPORT DRV     11616 12-13-92   2:43p
GRVSULTR 386      6005 12-13-92   2:41p
MIXER    EXE     18944 11-10-92   1:50p
OLDDRV   ZIP     43973 12-31-92  11:26a
MIDIMAP  CFG     42129 10-01-92   7:25p
ULTRAWIN CFG      1978 10-01-92  11:32a
       11 file(s)     192702 bytes
                     8904704 bytes free

The .DRV files are located in my WINDOWS\SYSTEM subdir as well, but when I
choose "Unlisted or Updated Driver" from the DRIVERS applet in the CONTROL
PANEL, the only thing I can select is "Ultrasound Wave and MIDI Synth".
Shouldn't I also be able to select the "Ultrasound MIDI out port" or
something?

My OEMSETUP.INF file in WINDOWS\SYSTEM is 239 bytes long and is dated
9/17/92.  Is that the same for everyone else?  Also, my install disks for
the GUS are labelled v1.1.  I'd like the later ones, but I don't have FTP
access and I can't afford to download those large files at long distance
rates.

Any help...any, at all(!), would appreciated!

By the way, if I have an older version of the OEMSETUP.INF, could someone
please UUENCODE the new one and post it here?  It's not really that large,
and I'd really think it would help...

Bye for now, and thanks in advance...
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From: pmk@access.digex.com (Pete Kilcullen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS CARD
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:41:04 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Alan_Robb@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan Robb) writes:

>II Am having a heck of a time getting my gus card to work. does anyone know
>if it works with QEMM or not? Also is there a conflict with the Trident VGA
>card which fouls everything up? I have tried to contact Gravis but it is
>almost impossible to get through.

Hmmm. I have a Trident VGA w/1024 and use QEMM 6.0. I've had no trouble.
Can you descibe your problem? Is it just getting GUS to work; or is it a
game conflict??
Pete pmk@access.digex.com
From: d2henan@dtek.chalmers.se (Andreas Henning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Getting 669 Composer to work with GUS
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:37:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19

Hi! I just downloaded the 669 composer from epas, but I can't
get enough free low memory to start it (even without sbos).

Has anyone managed to start it? If so, please mail me
your Autoexec.bat and config.sys .

It feels a little silly to have 8 megs of RAM, and still get
the error 'not enough memory'.... 

Thanks in advance,

Andreas Henning -- d2henan@dtek.chalmers.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: 669 files
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:24:38 GMT

Thanks to PHAT and Gab my uploading problem is fixed.  I
have uploaded about 7 669 files to the ftp site
archive.epas.utoronto.ca in the \pub\pc\ultrasound\submit
directory.

The following files are 669 music modules which can be played 
with p669gu0.arj.
 
darkmnlt.zip
final.zip
memories.arj
culture.arj
emptytht.arj
intomael.arj
moonsnta.arj
 
These files are very small.  I gave my friend's
14.4 K modem back today and was uploading at 2400 baud.
They don't show off the 669 player very well but they
should last you until I upload the REAL GOOD 669 files.
 
Enjoy them!


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From: valerio@sabrina.dei.unipd.it ( Valerio Pulese )
Subject: Re: Serial Port Interface
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:00:19 GMT

In article <Bz2BLq.3nv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>Hi.  I was wondering if anyone knew of a device which plugs into a
>standard RS/232 port on a pc and provides MPU compatible MIDI (through
>a device driver, of course), as well as .WAV compatible sample
>playing.  Is a device of this description available?  I'm thinking of
>getting a laptop for my next computer, but would still need sound
>capabilities for my studio...
>
>Please reply by e-mail to address below.  Thanks...
>
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>| Downsview, Ontario, Canada | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe.|
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I have schematic for Apple Mac RS232<->MIDI but it need a piece of
software to drive it.
Does anyone know more ?

				Valerio


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From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Waveform Table for SB?!  Why GUS?
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:06:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec24.100614.10036
Reply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

A recent PC Magazine ad showed the new Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16.
Although it relies on FM synthesis, the ad asserts that a daughterboard
with a waveform table will become available.  This puts the Sound Blaster
on even keel with the GUS as far as music technology (or at least will put).
With its ability to compete with the Microsoft Sound System for the 
voice-recognition throne, what's the reason to go with the GUS?

                                 Romulus@paul.spu.edu
From: atkins@stimpy.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:57:26 GMT
Subject: Soundcard advice wanted
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard

I am thinking of getting a sound card (Treehouse from Broderbund, which I
gave to my daughter for Christmas, requires it).  I can get a Micro Concepts
2.0+ Sound Blaster clone for $85 or $95 with speakers and a mic.  

Is that a good deal?  Are clones really clones, or is it best to stick 
with the name brand?  Should I get the speakers and mic for the extra $10, 
or is it best to get them from a separate source?  Are there other cards I
could be looking at?

I don't want to buy a sound card for one game (which has other problems).
Besides zoom and shoot games, what are sound cards good for?  I can think
of only two reasons I would want one: CAE of Music/Musical Instruments,
and other general educational games (like Treehouse).

Thanks!  Please respond by E-Mail as I don't normally read this notes
group.

Brian Atkins

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