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From: alaw@ap1seq.us.oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Subject: Re: Niners Win (Montana is Back - I hope)
Reply-To: alaw@oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:11:22 GMT
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jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
|>FINAL:  Niners  24  Lions  6
|>
|>Montana stats:  12/15  126 yds  2 TDs

His stat should look: 15/21 126 yds 2 TDs.  Also he did not complete
any medium range (15-20 yds) pass, reflected by a 6 yd/attpt performance.

|>Young stats:  12/18  153 yds  0 TDs
|>
|>Scoring:  
|>Niners: Logan rushing TD Niners; Montana to Brent Jones TD
|>Montana to Amp Lee TD; Cofer 1 FG
|>
|>Lions: 2 FGs
|>
|>Joe Montana, though playing in a blustering, windy, rainy
|>cold Candlestick park did not do too bad considering his lengthy
|>absence from the game. Now I know that despite what he
|>accomplished tonight, there will always be the detractors.
|>They will not consider this is Montana's FIRST game in almost
|>two years.  In fact, I don't believe they give him credit
|>for anything he does. They will point out that any QB could
|>play in the Niner system and excel. NOT! Joe was able to 
|>demonstrate his skill to put the ball where necessary as the 
|>game progressed.  Any student of the game could detect his
|>composure and control under the conditions.  I for one
|>was impressed. For certain, the faithful 49ers fans who
|>were at Candlestick to watch the game thought it was all
|>worth it to see him throw a perfect strike to Brent Jones 
|>for his FIRST TD!   Montana received a well deserved
|>ovation from the Candlestick faithful and I can assure 
|>you that the patrons at the MNF game at Charlie Browns
|>were equally ethused!  His performance for 2 quarters was
|>pretty good, I'd say. Two TD's, and 126 yards passing, NO INTs.
|>Better than some QBs did this year playing 4 qtrs and playing
|>all year long!

I'll rather see Joe having a bad comeback and then is forced to retire at
the end of next season.  No matter how good Montana *WAS*, this 1992 team is
Young's team.  It takes the whole offense a year and a new coordinator
(Mike Shanahan) for the transition to a Young-style offense to complete and
now they have to be a complete bonehead to switch it back to a Montana-style
offense.  Montana can be a valuable backup to Young, but if he doesn't want
to be settled as a backup, the only alternative is to trade him while he
still has some trade value.  I really hate to see Montana retire in any
uniform other than the 49ers', but trading him might be the best for the
team.
                                    
 Alvin W. Law ........................................... Oracle Corporation
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 Oracle Manufacturing ............................. Redwood Shores, CA 94065
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From: murali@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject: Ray Handley signs four year deal !!!
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:53:07 GMT

Keywords: 

>> "PLEASE tell me that this is a SICK JOKE!!!!!!"
Tom Donnelly 
>>

Bill Parcel (sp ?) didn't exactly start on a good note for Giants. But now he is a legend. Can we extrapolate -- ?

cotah
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dan Reeves Fired
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:48:18 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Yes it's another firing post (although not the one I'd expected to make).
Dan Reeves, coach of the Broncos for the last 12 years was fired by owner
Pat Bowlen over a power struggle.  Dan Reeves was also the V.P. of the Broncos
organization and had a great deal of power in how the team was run, who was
drafted, etc. a role that owner Bowlen stressed wanting to take a great
interest in.  Reeves was responsible for investing a 1st round pick in
Tommy Maddox, a move which is still being second guessed by some folks. The
rumoured candidate for the head coaching job is former offensive coordinator
Mike Shanahan.  Interestingly, it may have been the firing of Shanahan that
broke the proverbial camel's back in Reeves firing as Shanahan was a close
personal friend of QB John Elway.  


satish nair
waiting for the shoe to drop
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Christmas
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:30:42 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

All Football woofing aside,

Merry Christmas to all of you !

Tim
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:42:36 GMT
Subject: Re: MNF: Joey's Return
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
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>Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> /  1:09 am  Dec 22, 1992 /

>NOTE: for those who don't already know, or haven't figured
>out by now, I respect Montana's abilities but DESPISE the
>s.o.b. due to his (lack of) character.

Right on, man!  Remember back in '86, when the wimp was out eight whole
weeks for some crummy little back surgery?  What a sissy!

- Gary Rosen
From: tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe Montana's future
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:17:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Dec31.231036.2452@oracle.us.oracle.com> sramesh@us.oracle.com (Life is virtual) writes:


>	I have been following the discussions about Joe Montana's future
>teams. Does anyone think he may end up in KC? I mean, they do need a QB and

That's a possibility, but I think the Raiders or the Vikings are a much more
likely scenario.  They have NO capable quarterbacks... Krieg makes KC better
off than either LA or Min...
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:31:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

In article <1992Dec22.165837.2668@weber.com>, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
|> 
|> The Pack is good this year, but even their own head coach admits they're
|> playing over their heads.  If the Bears can't be there, I'd much rather see
|> the Packers leading the NFC central than any other team ( I DO live in
|> Milwaukee afterall), I just usually won't inform a Packer fan of that fact.
|> 
|> By the way Jeff,  what's your IQ/maturity level?  Who cares?  One more simple
|> question for you.  OK, I'll ask it slowly.  How come no woofing on your part?

Because I refuse to let myself be one of the many obnoxious jerks on the net
that woof just to get a rise out of other people.  And also because there's not
that much reason to woof for the Pack this year; it's not like they're 12-3 or
something.  They're playing much better than anyone expected and have a lot to
be proud of, but they're not a top flight team {yet}.

I'm a huge Packer fan, but I try to be realistic.  I'd love to see the Pack get
into the playoffs, but do they really deserve to be?  Probably not.  If the
Redskins make it, I honestly believe the best 6 teams in the conference got in.
During the Packers winning streak, they've beaten a couple quality teams
{Houston, Philly}, but 4 of the 6 wins have come against Tampa Bay, Detroit, 
Chicago and the Rams.  Not great teams.

But I'm having fun anyway!!  First winning season since '89!

Go you Packers, Go!
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The NFC Playoffs Begin
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:17:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <IfEERe_00WDKIFlp0u@andrew.cmu.edu>, vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H H
armon) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 The NFC Playoffs
>Begin 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (748)
>
>> Congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys, NFC East Champs.  The most
>> wins (13) in team history.  A team that will be a force in the
>> NFL for years to come, with fine coaches, management, and players.
>
>
>I agree with you on this (although I don't like the idea! ;D) but what
>if free agency happens in the off-season!? With some of the egos in
>Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team practically dismantled,
>except that Jones will probably pay them through-the-nose to keep them
>all there.........
>
>what do you folks think?
>
>--Vernon.
>
Don't forget a player must be n the bigs for 5 years.  So, someone like Emmit
Smith who's contract is up but is in the bigs for less than 5 years, does not
become a free agent.  What would I do as the owner?  Sign Emmit to a 10-year
contract!
-- 

------------------------
|   Gail A. Fullman    |
|   Manager - ADMO     |
|   Ext. 83113         |
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From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: Saints defensive "strategy"
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:21:00 GMT

Sob...

Well friends, we did it again...play tough D against a great team in
the first half, then lose our defensive minds in the second half.
Can someone please explain to me why, clinging to a six point lead
against a team like the Bills, our secondary goes into the "prevent"
(translated - "prevent us from winning") defense by giving up the
10-15 yard passes with a full quarter to go???  We were doing great
putting the pressure on Kelly, covering close in the flats,
*everything* in the first half.  Then our defensive coaches decide
we'll "give up the short ones", so that the Bills can march right
down the field for the go-ahead TD.

Yeah, I guess like all Saints fans I rely on the defense too much;
if the offense had been able to move the ball worth a shit in the
second half maybe things would've been different.  My gripe is that
the only time the "prevent" defense makes any sense is when there's
only enough time for one possession for the opposing offense and a
field goal won't beat you.  Certainly not with 13 minutes to go in
a six point game!!

I'm not giving up hope on winning a playoff game, but until we can stop
teams like the 9ers and Bills from coming back on us like that, the
Super Bowl is a pipe dream.

Geaux Saints!!
From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:50:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA

In article <1992Dec21.213529.8894@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.210943.23105@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>>Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.
>>
>>--
>Young is OK! Incredulous! Are we a bit jealous Steve? Check out the 
>stats Steve, re: Highest rated QB in the NFL. Bono, in your eyes might 
>be a wannabe, but Bono is a BONOfide QB in the NFL and could easily be 
>a starting QB anywhere else.  Your response is typical of certain
>net.whiners. :-)
>
>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

Young is good this year.  I don't know what he did in the past.  I wonder
how he'll do when/if Montana comes back? The Packer's tragic man was pretty
good for one season (89).  Then what happened?  He forgot how to hold onto
the ball.  Strange.  Let's give Young a few more years to prove himself
before we start calling him great, shall we?

I do believe any of these running QBs are going to have short careers.
Durablity has always been a problem in players around the ball a lot.  But
it certainly won't be the first time I'm wrong if/when I am.

My response was typical, you're right John.  You know what it is?  I'm
tired of the same old teams being good.  No offense meant to the city of
San Fran. but I want the 49ers to get losey again! And the Cowboys!  It
was great there for a couple of years when the Cowboys lived up to their
name (boys).  But now it's back to the same ol' same ol'.  Let's get some
new blood involved.  Even the Vikings are back in it again!  Although I
do think it'd be pretty cool to see the Vikings lose another Super Bowl.

I'll always be a Bears fan,  but why can't the Bucs be up there?  The
Cardinals haven't been in the playoffs since 75, I think.  I'm sure there's 
many other teams who've been bad or mediocre for too long.  Admittedly
I don't know much about the finances of the game, but the Bears owners run
their team like a business.  Making a profit is their number one priority.
In 86 Wilbur Marshall wanted too much money.  Gone.  Willy Gault - too
much - gone.  Meanwhile over in S.F. it seems money is no object.  What's
a football ticket cost in San Fran these days?

So give the Bears some stupid fucking trophy for running a business well!
Who cares?  I want another Super Bowl victory.
--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packer still suck and swallow.
Brookfield, WI  53005
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Hey Chad, 

Just got your private email.  Really loved it buddy.  I am sorry that I can 
not take you up on your sweet offer.  The thought of fucking you (I assume
your 'Fuck You' statement was an offer) just does not turn me on.  Sorry,
I don't think you are my type buddy.  However, my uncle has a sheep that may
be interested if you promise to be gentle.


************************************************
* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
*                                              *
* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
*                                 Life of Brian*
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From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Cost of Season Tickets?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.133257@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>Kansas City Chiefs

(others quote ticket prices for other teams, too)


It looks like our New England Patriots have some of the highest ticket prices
going. I'm not sure how much end-zone seats are, but most seating is $28, I
think. This for sitting on a thin metal bench. For $45, you can get a chair 
seat, with a better view of the game and at least something resembling
"personal space." 

I was stunned when I saw the ticket prices for the Chiefs -- they seemed
so reasonable. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Arrowhead's a nicer facility
than the justly demeaned Foxboro Stadium. Included in the not-so-mighty Pats
season-ticket prices are tickets to pre-season games. Nice, Huh?

Bruce Smith
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From: rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report
Keywords: Philadelphia 20, New York Giants 10
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:14:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.012325.27110@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>
> *****Rest Deleted****
>
> 
>And my sincere congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys and their fans
>on winning the NFC East and to the Washington Redskins and their
>followers on gaining the third and final wildcard spot.
>
>  THIS IS A REAL FOOTBALL FAN!! WHAT CLASS!...
>
>E-A-G-L-E-S
>
>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics
>555 Union Boulevard
>Allentown, PA  18103
>alux1!jmd
>


-- 


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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves has been fired!
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:15:33 GMT

In article <30DEC199200245934@cc.utah.edu>
djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
 
>In article <1992Dec28.223756.28041@ncar.ucar.edu>, wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat) writes...
>{
>{       I think Shanahan will be the next coach, at least Elway liked him.  I
>{look for Reeves to have another job by the end of this week.  Wade Phillips
>{might just go where Dan goes.
>{
>
>Why do you think Shanahan will be the next coach?  What makes you think
>he'd want to leave a winning <gulp> team?  They never should have let Dan go
>look what happened to the Cowboys!!  Dan is one of the best!  Broncos will have
>it tough for a while, I can tell you!  Go Broncos!!!
>Sheila Cobb/Dave Segal
>
Shanahan is clearly the front-runner for the job, with Wade Phillips a
close second.  First, Bowlen likes Shanahan a lot.  Reeves' firing
Shanahan may be the biggest reason Reeves was canned.  At Bowlen's
press conference after the firing, he stated that Shanahan was the one
he wanted, but that he had not discussed the position with Shanahan,
and was not sure Shanahan wants it (big laugh).
 
Wade Phillips would probably be the better choice, but Bowlen said
words to the effect (Oh, yeah....if Wade wants to apply I'll talk to
him."  Too bad.  Phillips will not work for Shanahan, and Phillips is
probably more responsible for the Broncos' wins than Reeves over the
past few years.  Phillips is a defensive genius, and his defensive
schemes have hidden the Broncos' personnel deficiencies for years.
 
Jim McMaster
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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: MNF announcers about Montana
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:10:18 GMT

 Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
 damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
 suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
 idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
 Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
 favoritism is stupid.
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Date: 27 Dec 92 09:03:05 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

>(james e kist) /  3:59 pm  Dec 26, 1992 /
>After Washington's touchdown that put them in the lead 20-14 in the fourth
>quarter, CBS displayed the words to "Hail to the Redskins" while the
>Redskins' marching band played the song. I thought that NFL football
>coverage was supposed to be unbiased. I guess I was wrong. This was a very
>unprofessional move by CBS.

This isn't the first time.  During the 1983 (actually Jan. 1984) NFC
championship game, they did this at the end of the 3rd quarter - with a
bouncing ball no less!! - when the
'Skins were leading S. F. 21-0, assuming the game was all but over.
Eight minutes and three Montana-led drives later the score was tied and
you could all but hear the drinks dropping out of the hands of the smug
CBS announcing crew that had been shamelessly rooting for the 'Skins.
Washington eventually eked out a victory on a last-minute field goal,
but the way the 'Niners figuratively crammed that song back down their
throats remains one of my favorite memories of the '80s.

- Gary Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.214902.26742@cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.210312.22823@weber.com>, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>|> Subject line says it all!
>
>Don't you love it when people like this demonstrate how low their 
>maturity/intelligence level is?

No, I don't love it.  I'm just a little vengefull and a lot bitter.  For the
past 10 years I have run into NO - zero - zip Packer fans who were willing to
admit that the Bears WERE a good football (before this year).  All they would 
tell me was - you guessed it "the Bears still suck".  Now the Packers have one
good season and too many Packer fans I know are gloating about it as if they
just won the Super Bowl or something!  And now that the Bears are close to
the cellar, they'll all admit the Bears were great in 85!

Obviously,  there are a lot of Packer fans who aren't/weren't like this.  I
just didn't know any of them.

The Pack is good this year, but even their own head coach admits they're
playing over their heads.  If the Bears can't be there, I'd much rather see
the Packers leading the NFC central than any other team ( I DO live in
Milwaukee afterall), I just usually won't inform a Packer fan of that fact.

I'm not just saying this because they WOMPED the Bears last weekend,  but
does anyone else think the Lions are a lot better than their record shows?

Sorry for wasting bandwith but I have just as much right (i.e, none) to flame
as anyone.

By the way Jeff,  what's your IQ/maturity level?  Who cares?  One more simple
question for you.  OK, I'll ask it slowly.  How come no woofing on your part?
--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packers still suck and swallow.
Brookfield, WI  53005
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: The Harris/Haley Trade
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:20:21 GMT

Now that the regular season is finished I was curious about the
nets view of the Tim Harris/Charles Haley trades between the
Packers, 49ers, and Cowboys.

The Packers traded Harris to the 49ers for a #2 pick (actually, two
of them in consecutive years, but gave one back later in a trade
for their coach :-)).  The 49ers traded Haley to the Cowboys for
(I think) a #2 pick (anyone else remember if this was the deal for
Haley?).

So, in essence, the Packers got a #2 (+ a coach)
                the 49ers traded Haley straight up for Harris
                the Cowboys got Haley for a #2

As far as SF is concerned, the deal seems to have worked out well.
Harris has had a good year, with 17 sacks and playing against the
run well (he plays on all downs).  When interviewed this year, he
has been polite and nice.  He is as pleased as punch to be going to
the playoffs for the first time in his career.  There have been no
external "incidents" reported in the papers this year concerning Harris.

How has Haley done for the Cowboys?  Are you-all pleased with the trade?
Did it work out as you expected/hoped?  Obviously, the Cowboys as a team
have had a fine year.

How about you Packer fans?  I can't recall if you got the #2 for last
year or for this year.  If for last year, who did you get and were
you happy about it?  If for this year, your pick will be no better
than #54 in the draft (49ers will pick no better than 26th, and
could pick 28th if the win the SB :-)), assuming that there is a draft
at all!!!!!.  Who do you think might be available then?  The Packers
have also had a fine year in 1992.

Perhaps this is one of those sets of trades in which all parties
involved are happy with!