From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Talk about bias... (was Re: game decided on last play)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:02:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug13.160227.62802
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Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug12.220601.23011@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Meeks' 14th lie: article #14 post-stop.
>
>In article <1992Aug12.183616.71542@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>So, ... The Bulls with Jordan and Pippen (two all-stars, Olympians, etc..) 
>>aren't up there?  
>They were up there only since 89/90, which covers about 1/4 of the time
>span we talk about.

Jordan has been around since 84, last I looked.  
>
>>Detroit???  
>Only since 1987/88, about 1/3 or 1/2 of the time span we talk about.

Why?? Thomas has been an AllStar since 82.  Dumars has been there since
the early 80s.  Same with the rest of their team (Laimbeer, etc..).  You
mean it only counts if you win the championship???  Well, Boston hasn't
done that since 86'.  He didn't even play but 6 games in 88-89.  Only
60 games in 90-91, and only 45 this year.  So, Bird must not have been
much of a factor the last couple of years.  McHale has been out quite a
bit as well.  Johnson hasn't played for 2 seasons now.  Looks like part
of your time is not covered very well.  You claim superstar benefits...
Johnson is gone, Parish is no longer a superstar, Bird only played half the
season, McHale only 56 games.  Where did they have the "superstar" benefits
you speak of???  You mean Rick Fox got calls cuz' he was on the same team
as Larry Bird??  
>
>>What about teams like Philadelphia and Milwaukee
>>and others in the early 80s??  I guess Dr. J didn't qualify, nor did Moses, 
>>etc...  
>Philadelphia? not there since Moses was gone, about 1/2 of the time span
>we talk about.
>
>Milwaukee? When have Milwaukee had the HOF roster of Boston have had?
>
>>If we go all the back to the early 80s, there are a lot of superstar
>>players, many of which are HOF/potential HOF players.  
>Really? like which team had that many HOF players? You name it.

Hmm..  The Celtics have Parish, McHale, and Bird.  Parish is HOF due to
longevity, but was never really "superstar" level, or perhaps just barely.
For the last couple of years, Bird and McHale have been hurt quite a bit,
and not as dominating as before.  Other teams???  
San Antonio in the early 80's had George Gervin and Artis Gilmore 
Philadelphia had Dr. J, Maurice Cheeks, Moses Malone, and Barkley.
As well as World B. Free and Bob McAdoo at one point.  In the very early
80s, Houston had Calvin Murphy, Elvin Hayes, Moses Malone (And, if you
go as far back as 79-80, they had Rick Barry).  The Lakers had Kareem,
Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, etc..  Denver had Alex English and Dan Issel.
Chicago has Michael and Scottie.  Detroit has Isiah and has had others like
Dumars, Dantley, Laimbeer, etc..  Now, we have teams like Phoenix, with
Barkley and KJ, with Majerle, Ainge, and Chambers.  We have Golden State
with Hardaway and Mullin.  We have Utah with Stockton and Malone...

Some of these players may/may not make it.  Many already have.  

>
>>So, the Bird play happened AFTER THE BUZZER???
>The decision (call) was made AFTER THE BUZZER.

But the play did not.  The decision was he made the shot before the buzzer.
I guess now you are going to say he stepped on the line, traveled, and 
didn't get the shot off before the buzzer, right???

>
>>>Yep, you can do that. I hope you can assemble your list of bogus calls
>>>for every team from 1980-1992 too, the period of our argument.
>>Don't need to.  Just need to list 7 calls I consider bogus for each team 
>>during this period, as that was the list you  provided.
>Yep, go ahead. You have been saying that you would do that since June.
>When are you going to turn in your assignment?
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