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From: sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake Blues)
Subject: Re: Fuel for the "Is it industrial?" fire
Reply-To: sunthej@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:44:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.013103.12098@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>  
constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
> In article <5DJ3wB2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca  
(haus der luge) writes:
> > 
> >re:  What Al Jourgenson would say in a Grammy acceptance speech.
> > 
> > 
> >That's very easy -    "SO WHAT ?"
> 
> How about: (after copping a feel fromwhatever bimbo gives him the  
Grammy)
> 
> FUCK ME!
> FUCK YOU!
> FUCK EVERYONE!
> FUCK THE CHURCH!
> ....

Personally, I think he should rip up a picture of the Pope.

						Jake
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thf@sizone.uucp (Jason Kalra)
Subject: Re: Ministry review, SF
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:40:17 GMT

To: thf
Subject: Re: Ministry review, SF
From: thf@sizone.UUCP (Jason Kalra)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:48:53 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry review, SF
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:39:20 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906

> Come on. What is it with people that they can't appreciate Hank
> Williams? It's great stuff (and no, I am NOT kidding. Listen to
> it sometime). Judging from interviews with Al, he plays it because
> he LIKES it. It is also related to the fact that he is moving/

.. Hey, it's nothing personal.  I listen to tons of stuff that induces 
vomiting in enough people.  However, Sepeltura and Hank Willams Jr, in 
succession, is a bit more than I can handle, especially in the confines 
of Maple Leaf Gardens..
> has moved to Texas, (leaving a void in the Chicago music scene).

Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:11:23 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
To: thf

> 
> Well, I'll try Skinny Puppy but as far as Ministry goes, I would consider it 
> more heavy metal then anything.  But thats my opinion... Does SKinny Puppy 
> sound like Ministry??  
> 
> 

.. Well, I couldn't exactly tell you what the general classification for 
Ministry is, right now.  Ever since the release of Psalm 69, there have 
been varying terms for them... I've heard heavy metal, death metal, and 
by far the most hilarious one, Country and Western hick, which seems to 
fit just about as well as anything would.  Still, I tend to use 
classifications such as Indusrial/Metal as a means of conveinence only, 
so you're most likely find Ministry in the Industrial section of your 
favourite music store (wether or not they really are Industrial).

.. As for Skinny Puppy.. well, no, they don't sound a hell of a lot like 
Ministry.  A fun stereotype that I see fly around every so often goes 
something like "Oh, it's the type of crowd that listens to Ministry,  
Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails, wear black, and headbang a lot".  So, 
there's either some corrolation that I'm unaware of, or Ministry and 
Puppy are enough to make enough people feel Alternative.  I only started 
listening to them about a year ago, and thus joined all my fellow 
suburban wannabe punks who wanted to get high atop the 'I'm more obscure 
than you" Alternative Attitude Ladder, and thus impress the plebeian 
masses who think that Michael Bolton and Mariah Carey have revolutionized 
the way music 'should' be.
Good luck.

Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Red)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: obscurity and 8-track cartridges...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:59:32 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <C0qKr2.Hov@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:
>Speaking of which, for those of you who have RE/search's _excellent_ "Pranks"
>issue, there's an anecdote in the section on Boyd Rice where he talks about
>just this sort of thing; he'd leave an 8-track of hideous noise (prolly
>typical early NON-type stuff) on in a parked car at full-blast, then hie
>away to a remote observation post to watch the effects on the unsuspecting
>passers-by...
>
>D.A.C. Crowell
>Computer Music Project/School of Music
>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
>(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)

re _Pranks - fun to try at home...

NON -

Easy Listening for Iron Youth - this was perfect for the unsuspecting
bogan flatmate who would leave a mess trailed everywhere, he got yep
"Cleanliness and Disorder", played to him 10 times a day to get the
message across.

Or 

For the budding radio ham next door, who would rudely speak over your
telephone lines when you were making a toll call, I found his voice
coming over my stereo speakers, mircophoned it up and recorded it
played it back to him, followed by Opitium Wound Profile's "Lowest
Common Denominator", boy he had a large surpise coming to him :).

--
Red
From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Alternative/Industrial reviews
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 14:11:40 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

 
        I'd like to know if anyone out there has any recent 
alternative/industrial music reivews, ie. Ministry, NIN, 'n stuff like 
KMFDM...
 
                Thanks.
        >>Baden<<
From: fiddick@condor.ucsb.edu (Laurence Fiddick;)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: z()\/|eT (* Fr/\nCe
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:03:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.industrial

i'd recommend the following:

mohnomishe - the earliest worthwhile zf cd and one of their best. harsher
             sounding with less ethnic influences and less vocal
             manipulation. ambient, but with an edge.

eostre - a good ethno-ambient cd. the first of what i'd call middle period
         zf.

misfits, looney tunes, and other squalid criminals - a good record (not yet
        on cd so far as i know) continuing the trend of eostre towards a
        more ethnic sound, but a bit less polished (or bit less less bland
        depending on your point of view) and with more of a sense of humor.

a flock of rotations - one of my faves, but few seem to share my opinion,
        then again few seem to have heard it either. one side is rather
        noisey by zf standards, but what noise; it really seems to go
        somewhere. i like to think of it as a postindustrial anthem song.
        the otherside sounds somewhat like the soundtrack to some cheap sci
        fi movie, but without cheesy synths--not bad. both sides are rather
        low on ethnics and vocal distortion.

loh land - one of my fave cds this year. this one sounds very similar to
           other middle period releases, especially misfits and a flock of
           rotations, but with more of an ethnic sound.

shouting at the ground - a heavy dose of ethnics on this one. one of their
                         best too. some good long ambient tracks, but i'm
                         partial to the shorter pieces such as fickle
                         whistle and dybbuk. the last really good zf
                         release.

i would suggest that you avoid the early releases hessian and garista which
are just for completists. i'm not particularly found of just an illusion or
shadow, thief of the sun, but look into me is passable. norsch is too short
to warrant the expense, though a good middle period release if you can get
it at a good price--it is not a full length cd (keep that in mind). i like
vienna 1990, but it sounds more like hafler trio circa a thirsty fish than
other zf releases, not as jarring though. the zf contribution to the
ladd-frith objekt 4 comp is wonderful, imho, and clocks in around 13 minutes
i believe.
           
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: othe DVA
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:23:13 GMT


 I have Man-Amplified and Buried Dreams. Between the two, I prefer
the latter. I haven't heard any other DVA (I forgeot to mention that I
also have Thirst... but it doesn't enter into this question...), I was
wondering if from Buried Dreams if DVA has progressed into the most vile
of electronic musical realms, Techno-dance? It's all a matterof taste of
course, but I would hate to see a band like DVA get eaten up by Koen
Tillie monsters...

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O                   Mi vsi smo krizhani,
         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH             mesarskega ceha...
BZ        \ / /      Ph                            aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: jlitchfi@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Jon Litchfield)
Subject: Re: Pigface
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:50:20 GMT

In article <1iigdcINN7f@shelley.u.washington.edu> zyzzy@stein.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore) writes:
>spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>In Seattle, Ministry had Mr. Connelly (who sang quite a bit) as well as
>members of (ahem) Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana.  (old home week.)
>
>Connelly was great.
>
In Toronto, Connelly was so bad it was unbelievable.

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: tldixon@eos.ncsu.edu (TIMOTHY LYNN DIXON)
Subject: Re: Al Jourgensen
Originator: tldixon@c00498-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tldixon@eos.ncsu.edu (TIMOTHY LYNN DIXON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:21:56 GMT


Christer--

Alien-boy did something with this band Dessau (produced it I think?).  They're pretty 
good, intense, grungy, sounds like something Al would be involved in.  I have a short 
and a 12", which is pretty good, it's called Mad Hog I think. 

Steffuck
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: intermix - phaze two
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:13:53 GMT


i'm disappointed.  the first intermix album was, despite the plethora of
recognizable plundered samples, somewhat unique.  it had a flavor and style
that made me want to come back to it again and again.  in fact, i listened
to it just three days ago and it was still an entertaining disc.

i can't put my finger on precisely what makes _phaze two_ so disappointing,
but it just doesn't make me want to pay particular attention to it.  the
tunes are pretty flat, sounding basically like the current crop of front
line assembly songs minus vocal tracks.  there are a few entertaining
moments - the weird funk breakdown in "dream on" (which is actually an old
track), bits of "truth" and "monument" - but overall it's a fairly dull
disc.

too bad - i was really hyped up for this one.  i guess i'll just have to
wait for the next delerium disc.  come to think of it, that one will
probably be equally disappointing if "spiritual archives" was any indication
of the direction that bill & rhys are heading in...

sigh.  anybody know when the new doubting thomas is coming out, or on what
label???

guess i'll just have to fire up the synths and do it myself.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here comes comedy!  Giganto cancer causing laffs!  WE'RE FUNNIER THAN GOD!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: CLOCKDVA: Help me out, please!
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:59:03 GMT

In article <ben.726624013@ipoint> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
>darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>
>>                                       Or will I meet it with the same
>> revulsion instilled by their earlier works?
>
>I am filled with revulsion when I listen to "Thirst".  It scares the
>piss out of me.
>
>Maybe that's why I like it so much.
>
>--
>Ben Cox
>thoth@uiuc.edu


 I was shocked by the stark contrast between the sound of Thirst and othe
DVA CD's that I have heard. And more so by the similarity that still
existed in the inlays!

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O                   Mi vsi smo krizhani,
         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH             mesarskega ceha...
BZ        \ / /      Ph                            aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: thf@sizone.uucp (Jason Kalra)
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:39:52 GMT

To: thf
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
From: thf@sizone.UUCP (Jason Kalra)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:48:24 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:12:14 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-966-9906

>         The thing is about alternative/industrial... people think that 
> you have to dress a certain way to listen to it, and that you're just a 
> wannabe just because you DO listen to it.  Almost like you have to belong 
> to a special social class and look a particular way in order to receive 
> the honor of being accepted as a normal person just because you listen to 
> the alt/indi vibe.
>                 Bites, doesn't it.  I mean, sure there's a few people out 
> there that could really care less of what others think of them (ehem), 
> which is good, but what really puts the crap on my corn-flakes is those 
> people that look down on ya because you're not into the alternative 

... Hmm... well, I wouldn't be so inclined so single out 
Industrial/Alternative as the most self-absorbing, conforming genre.  
Each little group, with shiny, happy members in it convince themselves 
one way or another that they're part of some vast, sub-culture.  (Save 
for the Paula Abdul/Michael Bolton types, who simply look down at 
everyone else, and thus save the trouble of having to form their very own 
non-existant society to be proud of).  Other than that, I see your point, 
although I'd be extremely hard-pressed to find _anyone_ who (as you put 
it) 'don't care less what people think of them'.  I think it may be more 
a matter of wether or not you're trying to impress someone with the type 
of music you listen to, yet don't actually like it all that much (refer 
to the 'Industrial-I'm-so-fucking-obtoose-and-obscure-that-I-make-myself-c
um-just-by-thinking-about-it Attitude Meter'.  

Certainly there is a culture that comes with different types of music, 
and in certain types it's more apparent than others (depends on the 
propaganda), and I don't think there's anything irritating about someone 
who embraces a new style, but when that style becomes a requiment, is 
when things become stupider than they should be.  

Well, now that I've gone more or less _completely_ off topic (as far as 
this newsgroup goes - my apologies)... What else do you listen to? Have 
you looked at anything new yet?

Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca

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From: vidarh@cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Re: Review: Front 242 - Live Target
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:44:52 GMT

Al Crawford writes:
|> 
|> Front 242			Live Target			Guzzi 888 (Ita)
[..]
|> I'd better make it quite
|> clear here and now that this *is* a bootleg............

Not quite true: it was originaly a bootleg, but F242 have given them
permission to release it as a legitimate release (according to NME). So it 
sould be fairly availiable.

Bye,
Vidar

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From: tracyk@cs.washington.edu (Tracy Kimbrel)
Subject: Re: Pigface
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 05:03:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.181248.19202@usl.edu> jkd2886@usl.edu (Davis Jason K) writes:
>	Has anyone else gotten the new (or newest) Pigface, "Fook"?
>I bought it a couple of weeks ago, and have come to the conclusion that they
>are better live.  I didn't get a chance to see them live (DAMMIT, everyone was
>rattling on about Ministry, and Pigface was playing an hour away the next day
>for less than HALF the price!!!).  From what I've heard off of "Welcome to
>Mexico..." they are incredible live.  I'm not incredibly impressed with 
>Fook, though.  Almost seems as if the recording quality didn't cut it.
>Anyone else have any comments?
>
>							Isenguard
>

I was quite impressed with both the live show and the new album.  I was
disappointed to find out that Barbara Hunter, Cellist Extraordinaire was
featured on only one track of Fook.  She played on most of the songs in
the live show.  So if you like the second track of Fook, you'd probably
like the show.  For comparison, I had the pleasure of seeing KMFDM about
a week and a half before Pigface, and even though I liked KMFDM a lot, I
liked Pigface more.
From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Fuel for the "Is it industrial?" fire
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 11:21:15 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

 
re:  What Al Jourgenson would say in a Grammy acceptance speech.
 
 
That's very easy -    "SO WHAT ?"
 
 
HausDerLuge

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: obscurity and 8-track cartridges...
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:51:46 GMT


 It's really a shame that 8-tracl cartridges went out of style. They would
be perfect for tape-loop recordings that meets my noise needs. 
 Does anybody happen to have some old 8-tacks and a RECORDER stashed away
in their attic that they'd like to get rid of? 

St. Anthony

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          / N \   O                   Mi vsi smo krizhani,
         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH             mesarskega ceha...
BZ        \ / /      Ph                            aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Karen Spragle)
Subject: COP SHOOT COP
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:16:52 GMT

does any one know when Cop Shoot Cop is coming out with a new album?

thanks
karen
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From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: front-line-assembly vid
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:41:15 GMT

In <1993Jan4.123704.4061@fuug.fi> an3682@anon.penet.fi (jak) writes:

>i recently saw a front-line-assembly video on the box,
>a really amazing production, like mega-bucks spent.  So 
>i guess it's from an upcoming sci-fi/cyber/tekno type movie,
>but i've heard nothing about it.  Does anyone out there know
>anything about it?? it looks pretty damn incredible ........
>   

Someone should really put this one in the FAQ as 'Yes, we've all seen it'.
 
But seriously folks, the song is called Mindphaser, and FLA got the rights
to use movie footage from the Japanese movie Gunhed, as long as the
Company who made Gunhed could use the video in some Japanese shorts Contests.
 
Me and my 'four-line'sig....
-- 
RICHARD MARTIN.      .         .     .    .   .C.Y.B.E.R.A.D.D.I.C.T.
NOISE.       . .   .. .   .   . .   . .. . . . ..N...O...I...S...E...
............   . .    . . . .   . .    .   .   .....................
                 .      .   .     .   industrial_Martin@UManitoba.CA.
From: fish@jab.tucson.az.us (david wright)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FRONT242@$@
Keywords: ...
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 23:37:40 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

 Hello, searching for a copy (on cd) of Mixed By Fear(Gripped by fear 
CD5) by Front 242? Anyone willing to part with it? Anyone seen it in 
their town?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:18:46 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Attention Simon Pawlik!

Hi,
sorry to use this newsgroup as a pager, but I lost your address.

Mail me back ASAP so we can figure out where we left off.  Did you like
the Pigface show?  I LOVED the part when Atkins goes, "Do you wanna hear
a Skinny Puppy song?  OK, Here's a Skinny Puppy song called 'Jingle Bells'"
and then Ogre sings it with distortion and all.  MAN, that was
a groovy show.  Started out as a concert, ended as a party.  I got sucked
into the pit, head butted by a body passee, stomped on the toe by pogo
stickers (lucky for the steel toes on my Tank Boots) crushed, sweated on,
crushed to the stage, hit by the oil drum, then when Jim Marcus stage dove,
he landed right on top of me.  What a night!!!  Needless to say I was
drained.

Well, get in touch!
Bones