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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Batman vs Lobo
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:27:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.001000.13142@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.211722.631@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>|> >great if done by the right creative team. It will deal with the World's
>|> >Greatest Detective(..the only person smart enough to beat Superman..)
>|> >going up against someone of near-Superman power levels. With all the
>|>                              ^^^^
>|> 
>|> I beg to differ.  Lobo is not of "near" Superman power, but of or over
>|> S-man's level.  Remember he nearly killed Supes in the Krpton man story,
>|> and he was compleatly drunk.  It even states in Who's Who that he can beat
>|> Superman.  I loved the line in the latest D-Day issue where Supes mentions that
>|> Dommsday is tougher than Lobo, and that Lobo gave him rough time.  Yet /i'd say it was rough.
>
>While it's true that Lobo beat up Superman the first time they met, there
>were extentuating circumstances.   One was Superman was under the influence
>of the Eradicator and not reacting like a fighter.  Secondly, Lobo found
>Superman's stash of kryptonite and this weakened Superman.
>
>Superman and Lobo have met two subsequent times.  The first time Superman
>knocked out both Lar Gand and Lobo by banging their heads together.
>The other time, Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and stripped of his
>usual inhibitions, he beat Lobo into a near comatose state within a matter
>of seconds.  In this encounter, Superman's superior speed was a decisive
>factor.
>
Oh Yeah?!? Well....Lobo doesn't need to breathe so he could take Superman
at into space and beat the tar out of him.  so there! nyhah!

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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Sandman 44 (SPOILERS)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.015945.1389@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>In article <73416@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8232d@prism.gatech.EDU (Jarvis T. Lowndes) writes:
>>>2) I don't think it's Desire killing those who could clue in Dream and Del.
>
>This is quickly turning into one of those "who's got the reality gem?"
>threads.  Who says that anyone is trying to stop Dream and Delerium from
>finding Destruction?  Certainly not Mr. Gaiman.  It could be that the
>universe itself doesn't want Destruction to be found.  After all, it
>intervened (via the sun) when Dream had a romantic liason with that
>African Queen.  Those who seek Destruction will surely find it.

Am I the only one who remembers that Despair and Desire have already been shown
not to want anyone to find Destruction? 
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From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
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Subject: Re: Fast Forward
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:31:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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In <Bxo52H.FGt@cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:

>I was quite surprised and pleased to walk into my comic shop yesterday and see
>that Pirhana has started a new anthology book, "Fast Forward."  

>So, has anyone bought this, and, if so, Is the Morrison story his typical
>drivel, or will I be able to swallow it?  The McKean art looked wonderful, as
>usual.  And how are the other stories?

I bought Fast Forward #1 "Phobias", and was quite pleased, except for the
$5 price tag.  The Morrison/McKean story was quite good, it's a glimpse
into the mind of a lonley librarian.  I haven't read much of Morrison, so
I don't know how typical it is for him.  I thought the best story was
"Barney the Burning Banker" by Russel Braun, who I've never heard of.
It features a dull banker who just happens to bear a slight resemblance to
Marvel's Ghost Rider, and his pet goldfish Beowulf - his only friend.

The other stories are also pretty good.  Next issue is supposed to deal
with familes, and features a story by Kyle (why I hate saturn) Baker.

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:20:01 GMT

David VanDomelen (dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Scott says that A: the X-books need better writers, but B: New Warriors is 
: great writing.  Considering that Nicieza does half the X-books already and is 
: he great writer of NW, and that PAD does one of the other X-books, you tend to
: contradict yourself.

 Not really...

I believe that Fabian does a much better job on NW than anything X. 
Fabian is under some big constraints doing X, namely Bob Harassment and
the Fanboy X Association's overwhelming need to take all the
PERSONALITIES out of X and put in lots of violence.

Fabian really gets into the CHARACTERS on NW...

Claremont was a great writer because every X-Man was a 3D character
and he still got the violence in. The new writers are taking out
all the character development.

PAD is the best of the X writers, true (that was not a compliment :))
but he has a bum deal -- bad characters (X-Factor should be the 
X-Dregs -- the bottom 1% of boring characters), Stroman and Jae Lee,
neither of whom complement his writing style.

Put Jae on Wolverine and PAD on the X men and you'd be in business...

Scott

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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
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Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:25:05 GMT
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faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) writes:


>	All she promised was that she *hadn't* done anything.  Not that she
>	wouldn't do anything.

I think Desire moves too slowly to be causing the problems.  His/her
rape of Unity was a long-term move and when Desire/Delirium/Despair
test the Sandman over Emporer Norton, Desire is the last to try
something.

I think this is being done by traps Destruction has in place, *or* a
Destruction replacement.  Maybe a Destructin offspring?

later, david
--
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It is better to encounter one's existence in disgust than never
to encounter it at all.  - William Barrett
From: 128.155.44.15 (Larry Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Coloring Comics
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:02:08 GMT
Organization: NASA LaRC Graphics
Reply-To: 128.155.44.15 (Larry Merrill)
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 Ok, let's see if I can explain this correctly. 

I have spoken personally with Steve Oliff(nice guy, by the way) about how 
they color comics digitally at OlyOptics. This conversation took place nearly 
two years ago and I know how much technology has improved since then. I don't 
know if this has changed their way of doing things. Steve said that they work 
on a DOS-based platform with a $3,000+ software package that they use to 
trace 300 dpi scanned line art. They trace with a polygon tool and apply 
PostScript fills (solids or gradients) to the selection. The PostScript files 
are color separated to CMYK negatives for printing. I dont't know if the 
black line art is composited with the black neg from the computer. It has 
been my experience that a 300 dpi b/w linescan does not produce the crisp, 
clean lines that we see in the finished product. Therefore the black neg 
composite technique may be used.

It is my educated guess that Digital Chameleon uses Macintosh computers and 
Adobe PhotoShop to color their books. Their technique is to scan in the b/w 
line art at whatever resolution (depends on whether they do black plate 
composites mentioned above). Using the variety of tools in PhotoShop, they 
paint the comic. Files are saved in E.P.S. Desktop Separation formats and 
placed into Quark Xpress for separation output to an imagesetter.

When a colorist is given credit, it is more traditionally handled. The 
colorist takes stats (b/w photoprints) of the art and, using a color chart of 
available colors, hand colors it using Dr. Martin Watercolor Dyes or 
something similar. He/she *flat colors* the art; no gradient shades. The 
color chart shows the colors the computer can reliably reproduce and the mix 
of process colors in each number-coded swatch.(e.g. aqua block#11 = 95% cyan, 
10% magenta, 45% yellow, 0% black). The colorist then uses the chart to 
indicate to the COLOR SEPARATOR what he/she wants by number codes (sort of 
paint-by-number). The color separator then goes through the processes 
explained above (scanning, coloring, output negs...) using the colorist chart 
as a guide. The separator decides on the use of graduated fills or blends.

Whew! 

An earlier post asked about the image area of comic pages. It's 10x15 inches. 
Use 11x17 bristol with .5" margins left and right and .75" margin top and 
1.25" at bottom. You can draw out of the boarders if you want a full bleed 
page. I purchased some inexpensive original art (by Sal Buscema) and learned 
a lot about the technical aspects of drawing a comic page. It's also very 
inspiring to see the art at it's original size.

Larry Merrill - Opinions provided are mine all mine. Nobody else should be blamed!
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history..
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:46:31 GMT
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Liu) writes:

|> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
|> writes:
|> 
|> [	spoiler removed since this ain't really a spoiler	]
|> 
|> >(BTW, there's one theory that states that ROYGBIV came from Newton trying
|> > to match colors to available paint pigments. Thus we're stuck with indigo.)
|> 
|>    If my chem teacher was right, ROYGBIV came from an attempt to match the
|> colors of the spectrum to the Western 8-note musical scale, since this would
|> show some incredible balance between sight and sound, and demonstrate the
|> perfectness of the creations of the universe or something like that.  Of
|> course, the fact that some Asian cultures use a 5-note scale and other cultures
|> use other "octave" scales didn't really figure into this much.

Erm, ROYGBIV has 7 letters. So Newton was obviously matching to the Endless.
Destruction went prodigal, and Indigo light went with him. ;) Actually, I
heard that 7 colors were chosen because of the 7 saintly virtues. (or some
such religious poop)

Personally, I would put the timing of the big Destruction's departure at 1693,
just because Neil Gaiman likes it that important things happened in integral
multiples of 100 years prior to the cover date of the comic. Witness Dream's
dates with Robert, The French Revolution (more or less), I'm sure there have
been others. Now if only Neil Gaiman would work on a monthly comic until
four hundred years after Shakespeare wrote the Tempest!

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat,  7 Nov 1992 15:29:15 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: lsh back issues

> 
>     I have been thinking of picking up some back issues of Legion of
>Super-Heroes, after all the recent traffic on how good it used to be. Is
>there any particular place I should start (ie. good storylines) in order
>to get a feel for the series?

My personal favorites (and honesly, I don;t think too many people will
agree with me):

The issues of "Superboy and the LSH" drawn by Mike Grell, back around
issues 202-243. Also, I enjoyed the stories and Steve Lightle's work in
the second Legion Series.  Many people will recommend the "Great
Darkness Saga," but I wasn't all that impressed with it. 

Anatole Wilson
Always on the alert, but never really sure what's actually going on...
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From: sbrown@nyx.cs.du.edu (Simon Brown)
Subject: Re: SLAINE/TRIAL OF VENOM
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 15:44:39 GMT

csg194@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Morph) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.031653.28972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sbrown@nyx.cs.du.
du (Simon Brown) writes:
>>
>>I was browsing through November 1992 issue of HEAVY METAL and noticed t
at
>>(in the back issues list) Simon Biz did a SLAINE story in the JANUARY 1
91
>>issue.  Did he do any other SLAINE stories ?

>Yep. He did the three-book "Horned God" series. It's serialised in 2000A

>and Heavy Metal, and is available from Fleetway as three tpb's. 
>Very nice stuff, from the days when Pat Mills could still write... :-(

In which issues does it appear in 2000AD and HEAVY METAL ?

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From: schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Schomburg )
Subject: Re: Sandman 44 (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:10:37 GMT

rauchfuss@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Brian Rauchfuss) writes:


>My stray thought was that it was *because* Destruction deserted his post that
>Delight became Delirium.  That the loss of one of the endless warps the
>universe, destroying the balance that use to exist.  
                          ^^^^^^^

Destruction abondoned his post at the dawn of the industrial revolution.
Could it be that humanity, with warlike tendencies and machines
of war to multiply thier proclivities a thousandfold, has been in
effect ASKING for destruction throughout recent history?  Perhaps
Destruction just plain got sick of humanity and is ignoring 4
billion screams for annihilation?     

How many issues til the end of the series?  hmm...
-- 
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schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             Think but this and all is mended,
schom@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu                That you have but slum'bred here
                                      While these visions did appear.  -W.S.  
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From: jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Watchmen ftp site (sort of)
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:20:14 GMT

Well, I got through to the Watchmen archive site after I got the corrected
address ok, but now I don't know what to do with all those ".Z" files. How
do I go about uncompressing them? (If it helps, I'm on a VAX.)

Thanks.
Webdancer
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: SUPERHEROES FREEZE OFF THEIR BUMS!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:44:26 GMT

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>Hey, warmth ain't the half of it -- how does something form-fitting stop
>bullets (see UX-Men when recent costumes were intro'd), and why is it that the
>groin and breast areas seem to have the strongest fabric :)

To hold those massive Marvel/DC/Image bulges, of course!  Wonder what
Power Girl's costume is made of - woven adamantium?
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: FUTURE REDUX (was Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:54:01 GMT

Y'all I've noticed a disturbing trend here.  uplink responded to my post,
citing his own opinions.  He was then attacked for those opinions.  Not to long
ago, this was something uplink was reponsible for doing (the famous Drizzt 
inncedint).  

He is intitiled to his opinions, and to express them here.  I agree that he 
seems to say things just to get a rise out of people, but untill that is proven,
we must respect his right to have his opinions, whether they differ from ours, 
or not.


G-d, who'd have thought that the time would come when I'd be defending uplink?

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From: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie)
Subject: SUPERHEROES FREEZE OFF THEIR BUMS!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:47:10 GMT


	Okay, recently I was perusing a copy of Spiderman.  Now, I noticed
that he went out late in the evening to see if everything was okay.  Suddenly,
a thought hit me (OUCH!).  What are these costumes made out of to keep these
guys from freezing their super-nipples off?  I mean, it would have to be
something that's REALLY warm, not just something that keeps off a mild chill?
I go to school in Illinois and at night it gets C-O-L-D!!!!!!!  I don't want
to hear crap about some "scientifically advanced" adamantium insulator or
anything.  I want the real deal here!

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #60
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:23:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.183151.6776@wam.umd.edu> danl@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.155138.3898@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
>
>
>
>NONONONONONONONO!!!
>
>THEY ARE COMICS CHARACTERS!!!!

<Sigh> I know that! What I was talking about is the way they are
presented in Gaiman's world, not the real world!!! 

>They are not the Cain and Abel of biblical times, simply because they were  
>not written that way.  They were created in the twentieth century and  

But, you must admit, Gaiman has made them so similar to the Biblical story
that they (along with Eve) *must* be intended as corruptions of the
Biblical Cain and Abel.

>certainly did NOT serve as the inspiration for anything in the Bible,  

I *know* that in *our* world (Earth Prime :-) ) the Bible was written
some 4000 years before Sandman (well, the Cain and Abel parts were
anyway) and that Neil Gaiman could not have acted as the inspiration for
the writers of the Bible (well, not without an occurrence remeniscent of
some of the tackiest Science Fiction :-) )! I don't live *completely* in
a fantasy world....What I am saying is that *in Gaiman's world*, ie the
world he is presenting in Sandman (Earth-DC ?), one possible interpretation 
is that
the Biblical Cain and Abel were inspired by the Cain and Abel who are
resident in the Dreaming. The other is that the Cain and Abel of the
Dreaming were created because the Biblical story of Cain and Abel has
been told and believed by so many people *in the Gaiman-DC world* that
the characters came to life in the Dreaming.
>although it may be explained whatever way Gaiman cares to in _Sandman_.   
>Gaiman simply wrote them as not being the characters from the Bible.  He  
>could have written them that way, but he chose not to.

No but he wrote them as being so similar that some sort of connection *has*
to be inferred.

Look, don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the real world here, in
which the Dreaming Cain and Abel are fictional and the Biblical Cain and 
Abel may be fictional too (PLEASE don't start a religious debate!!). I'm
talking about within the world which Gaiman writes about (ie the DC 
Universe).

Mike
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Prodigal's departure- A Theory
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:21:25 GMT

I was reading the latest Sandman issue (#44) when an idea came to me.
The issue seemed to imply that a pattern was emerging, that on each
world the age of reason would arrive and then the species would
destroy themselves.  Destruction seemed very upset that this cycle was
beginning again on Earth, so here's my theory.
  Destruction abandoned his duties in the hopes that he would be able
to save us.
  It seems to make sense.  He definately seems to like humanity (while
most of the rest of the endless seem indifferent).  He was clearly
aware of what destructive forces were in the future.  So perhaps he
left to prevent this, or at least to remove himself from profiting
from its occurence.
  Any thoughts?
 

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:40:47 GMT

The problem with the Fall theory is that if it's so, then the Fall, in the DC
universe, is not just a myth--it's also a factual event, that left eyewitness
evidence.

When we call certain myths "true", that's not quite the same kind of "truth"
that the Fall has to have for this idea to work.  Maybe some tribe does believe
that the world started out as a great bowl full of demons.  But if a tribesman
starts digging in the ground, they might find fossils, but not mile-long
pottery shards.  The myth is true in the sense that it teaches the tribe, but
it's not _factual_.

If someone who walked across the bowl is still alive to tell you about it,
however, the myth has to be factual as well as "true".

There's a side issue: the possibility that the Endless are just personifica-
tions, seen differently by different peoples.  But we're told certain events
happened once, in one way.  Delight didn't become Delirium once per culture,
just once.  Destruction didn't send destruction out of control by his absence
multiple times, once for each nation that started fighting big wars (let alone
once per planet); he only did it once, and you _certainly_ don't see the
Endless start looking for Destruction amidst tribes of aborigines that are
still in the stone age.  For that matter, I've pointed out before that the
number 7 is special only in certain cultures; other cultures who value the
number 8 do not have 8 Endless.
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