HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptyler@iat.holonet.net (Paul Tyler)
Subject: Re: Law books in electronic form?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:36:59 GMT


You have to be a little more specific. There are law books and then there
are LAW Books. Actually a lot of state law codes are coming out n
CD-Rom.Give me a little better idea of what you're looking for and I'll
see what I can find out.
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Actual lawyers on this group?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:12:10 GMT

Aimee J. Zeltzer <AZ7408A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>  Can I tell you?  My goal in life as I near the end of my law
>  school career is to dissuade any and all creative or intersting types
>who are not anal retentive from going into law.  If you want to be
>a corporate drone, and if you can pay attention to tiny, (indignificant) detail
>s (like periods or commas, or whatever) go into law!  Right now I am working in
> a patent office and I could just die!!  However, if you like math or drawings
>go for it.  But heed my warning:  It's a lie!! (p.s.  I don't care about typing
> or spelling--law school has failed with socializing this one!)

Its not allways that bad. Also, the attention to detail is no worse
and probably not as important than in programming. I can see though
that a stint in the PTO could be mind numbing.

Bruce E. Hayden
Attorney at Law
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: What's in a big law library?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.081016.8271@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:

>So, what do the large libraries and Harvard have that those of us with
>medium or small libraries lack?
>
>For example, do they have the West state digests for each state and each
>region so that one doesn't have to go to the Decennial Digest/General
>Digest when looking for cases in a particular state?  Do they have more
>copies of the commonly-used things?  Do they have a lot more weird material
>that no one has looked at in fifty years?  More historical material (e.g.,
>older editions of things in addition to the current editions)?

The answer to these questions, for Texas at least, is "yes."

They have other nifty stuff too.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
From: hilary.miller@execnet.com (hilary miller)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: bank errors - who's r
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:11:56 GMT
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Laird P. Broadfield, in a message to All on 11-15-92 at 10:01am, said:

LP>|Is this really the case if it is the depositor's error, not the
   |institution's?  This seems goofy.  What is the train of logic here?
   |___________________________________________________________________

          The principle is called, alternatively, "money paid by mis-
          take," which is an old common count, and "unjust enrichment." 
          At common law, if you pay money by mistake to someone who was
          not entitled to it, you can recover it by a suit at law. 
          Today, there is usually a contract (which no one ever reads)
          between the bank and its depositor which gives the bank the
          right to charge the customer's account for mistaken credits. 
          Also, you might take a look at UCC  4-212 et seq.


   L A
 I    R        Hilary B. Miller of Greenwich, Connecticut
  H/\Y         CIS: 76040,1743
   s r
---
 ~ DeLuxe}/386 1.25 #11645 ~ A seminar on time travel will be held 2 weeks ago
--
Executive Network Information System  (914) 667-4567
International ILink Host
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anita Hill and Hearsay (was: Anita Hill to Head EEOC)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov14.205448.18785@panix.com>, eck@panix.com (Mark 
Eckenwiler) writes:
> 			     819 F.2d 451

That's disgusting.  :-)

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anybody else studying for LSAT?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:21:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.182159.13328
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

Here's one bit of advice that I've not seen in any prep book.

As you probably already know, there are four sections on the LSAT
(I'm leaving out the bogus writing section) plus one experimental
section.

There are two reading sections, one logical reasoning section, and
one analytical reasoning section.

Note that this means that you can determined what type of section
your experimental section was.  For example, if your test has three
logical reasoning sections, then you know one of them is your experimental
section.  If there are two reading sections, one of them is experimental.
If there are two analytical reasoning sections, one of them is
experimental.

Not everyone has the same experimental section.  Some people might have
an experimental reading section, while others taking the same test
might have an experimental logical reasoning section, and so forth.

Now for the useful part.  If you talk to other people after the test,
you can figure out which of your sections was experimental.  For example,
when I took the test, I had two analytical reasoning sections.  Hence,
one of them was experimental.  The person next to me had two reading
sections, hence one of them was experimental.  After the test finished,
he started talking to the person next to him about a particular analytical
reasoning problem that was on his test.  Because he only had one analytical
reasoning section, I then knew which of my two such sections was real.

This let me know that the section that I aced was the one that counted
rather than the section that I only got about 25% on.  My GPA sucked, so
I needed a good LSAT score, so this was important to me in determining
if I should cancel or not.  Knowing that the only section that I felt
bad about did not count, I knew that I should not cancel.  (Right
decision: I got 177).

One more bit of advice.  The LSAT is *not* as hard as the test prep
books make it out to be.  Remember, the companies that write these
books (and that run test prep courses) are selling something.  It
is in their interest to make people fear the test.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Re: Actual lawyers on this group?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:43:45 GMT

bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:

>Aimee J. Zeltzer <AZ7408A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>>  Can I tell you?  My goal in life as I near the end of my law
>>  school career is to dissuade any and all creative or intersting types
>>who are not anal retentive from going into law.  
>>Right now I am working in
>>a patent office and I could just die!!

>Its not allways that bad. Also, the attention to detail is no worse
>and probably not as important than in programming. I can see though
>that a stint in the PTO could be mind numbing.

I agree, Bruce.  I went to law school to *escape* from the tedium that
programming has become (my own fault; I chased the money, not the
science).  Still, I have a lucky outcome:  Since I have to keep my
day job to make enough to pay the rent, my license gets used to do
pro bono work.  No money in that, but I pick what I do, and I enjoy
it.
-- 
Stevens R. Miller J.D.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Rapists should not be executed
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:42:34 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: bryan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu's message of 23 Nov 92 13:55:28 CST

bryan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> A rapist is usually after one thing, and that is to rape a woman
|> (or man).  Then, if he gets caught, which is not very frequent since
|> many women chose not to testify, he will get a few years sentence
|> maximum.  However, what if he were given a much harsher sentence, such
|> as life imprisonment or the death penalty?  If rapists knew that they
|> may face the death penalty for such a crime, what would make them not
|> want to kill the only witness?  The death penalty is only used in
|> murder convictions.  Thus, if rape and murder are given the same
|> sentence, why would the rapist decide to not murder the victim?  Thus,
|> For the protection of rape victims, rapists should not be given overly
|> harsh sentences.

|Well, it's an interesting notion, but what does it lead to? Assume we
|exclude the death penalty, but say that the punishment should be life
|in prison without parole. Won't the rapist then kill the victim to
|avoid this dire fate? 

|I understand the arguement that if the penalty is the same for rape 
|and murder that a rapist might as well commit murder to cover the
|rape, but don't you think that assumes that the rapist is acting
|rationally (i.e. in his own best interests)? And even based on that
|somewhat contradictory assumption, wouldn't the rapist observe (as you
|did) that many women won't testify (hence no reason to further
|complicate the deed by silencing someone who will be silent anyway)?
[...]

Besides which, most methods of murder won't really cover the rape will
they?  You'd have to do some dismemberment or somesuch right?
--
Peace.
      "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my
       plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a
       diner.  Being here in America doesn't make you an American."  
                                --Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: misc.legal,talk.politics.misc
From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:15:17 MST
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <13236@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.161012.248@hellgate.utah.edu>, speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>> In article <13186@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >In article <1992Nov14.202602.23939@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
># ##   Oh yes, keep dreaming. You, Clayton Cramer, have done more to
># ## give NAMBLA a platform than anybody else I know of. I guess 
># ## you should work on your self loathing.
 
># #By saying that the homosexual community should shun NAMBLA, I
># #give them a platform?  I guess Bnai Brith gives neo-Nazis a platform,
># #too.
 
># This from someone who has repeatedly claimed that the "fascist homosexual 
># lobby" is to blame for the success of the OCA?

>Certainly.  Most people in America are prepared to live and let
>live on the subject of homoseuxality -- until propagandists for
>homosexuality start working their way through the public schools.

In which case, why did measure 9 happen in Oregon, and not California--a state
in which "homosexual propaganda" is actually taught in the schools?

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
Xref: sparky misc.legal:20079 misc.misc:3820
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,misc.misc
Subject: Re: A Canadian Asks a Question
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:03:05 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov17.025752.7250@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> n article <62zY02rx2bOE01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 
(Terry 
> Carroll) writes:
> >I'm surprised that most states don't have a ballot requirement that a 
party 
> >may not place a candidate on the ballot who has already been placed by 
> >another party, i.e., a one party-per-candidate rule.  Perhaps some do; 
I've 
> >never looked into it.
> 
> I can't imagine that that would be Constitutional.

On what basis?  First Amendment?

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Subject: Mail Order Problem:
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:12:25 GMT


Does anyone know if I have addressed a personal mail
order problem in the best manner.  I ordered a computer
disk drive from an advertisement that listed an
address in Canada (I am in the United States).  I sent
a check for the amount for payment.  After 30 days I
had not heard a thing through the mails so I called
the magazine office and got the person's telephone
number.  He was surprised I had his telephone number.
In a couple of days he called me and told me the disk
drive would be sent out in a day or two.  That was the
first week in October.  I have the original check that
was cashed and endorsed by him through my bank.  I made
a photocopy of everything applicable to the case and 
filled out a United States Post Office form through their
International Office in Washington, D.C.  Should I also
contact my State attorney general to see if she can do
anything further?

In the future, any such orders will be COD.  Is that a
good idea?

Sincerely,

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mwhhlaw!tim (Timothy E. Hollingsworth)
Subject: Ruling (wasRe: HELP. ACCUSED OF FELONY. ASK FOR JURY TRIAL.)
Reply-To: uunet!mwhhlaw!tim
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.224309.11966@netcom.com> alvin@netcom.com (Alvin H.  
White) writes:
> 
> HELP! ACCUSED FELON. ASK for JURY TRIAL.
> 
> I was accused of a felony violation of California Vehicle Code
> Section 23101 FELONY DRUNK DRIVING in the Monterey County 
> Superior Court in Salinas, California.
> 
> I was a natural born citizen of the United States and a member
> of the United States Army at the time of the alleged violation.
> 
> Thus I should be fully subject to the provisions and protections
> of the Laws and Constitution of the United States, the State of
> California and the jurisdiction in which the infamous crime was
> alleged to have occurred.
> 
> I was present at the scene of the alleged crime.
> 
> To the best of my knowledge and belief I did not commit such a 
> crime.
> 
> To the best of my knowledge and belief no such crime occurred at
> the time and place.
> 
> I hereby enter a plea of "Not Guilty."
> 
> I hereby, humbly and respectfully, request a trial by jury as
> mentioned in the Constitution of The United States of America.
> 
> As I have been unable to obtain such jury trial by prior efforts
> I seek public assistance to be able to exercise such rights.
> 
> I ask as witness to this REQUEST FOR JURY TRIAL the readership
> of the Internet newsgroup misc.legal.
> 
> In the City of San Jose, California, United States of America
> hereby, Sworn and Affirmed this 19th day of NOVEMBER in the year
> of our LORD JESUS CHRIST one thousand nine hundred and ninty two. 
> 
> alvin
> 

	This matter comes before the Network upon alvin's motion to enter a  
plea of not guilty and Request for Jury Trial, and the Net being no less poorly  
advised than usually about the underlying facts and circumstances, now finds 
	The Net has no subject matter jurisdiction over alleged criminal  
conduct in Monterey County and therefore the filing is inappropriate.
	It is therefore, ordered that the not guilty plea and Request for Jury  
trial be, and hereby is, stricken.
	Alvin is directed to file his motions with the appropriate court.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:40:12 GMT
	<19394@smoke.brl.mil> <1992Nov23.164201.4854@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:42:01 GMT

matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
|>>Here's a hypothetical.
|>>
|>>Can Georgia constitutionally ban heterosexual sex?  [Ted Frank]
|>
|>We have it from Justice William Douglas's opinion for the U. S. 
|>Supreme Court in _Skinner v. Oklahoma_, 316 U.S. 535 (1942),
|>that legislation taking away the right to procreate affects
|>"one of the basic civil rights of man," because marriage and
|>procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival
|>of the race.

I'm not sure how marriage is "fundamental to the very existence and
survival of the race", but I might see how procreation is.  My
question to you is, does his reasoning fall apart if we can use ways
other than sex to procreate?  My fiance' claims that good, safe in
vitro fertilization costs only about $1000 (less, if you can get a
good turkey baster).  So it seems to me that since sex is not
necessary to procreate anymore (and these other ways may soon be cheap
and readily available) and the salient "right" asserted above is the
right to procreate, this in no way bars the states from banning
heterosexual sex.

And then, even if we did not have these other methods, it doesn't seem
to me that this shows that the state cannot so restrcit het sex so as
to ban sex other than for the purpose of procreation.

In response to the above comments, 
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: 
|Show me "marriage" and "procreation" in the Constitution.

Uhhhhhh....

|Can a state require a fertility test before marriage?

Howzabout a blood test?

--
Peace.
      "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my
       plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a
       diner.  Being here in America doesn't make you an American."  
                                --Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: wr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (william e raftery)
Subject: Re: Censoring information , Is it possible tomorrow?
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:16:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.020925.22734@irscscm.UUCP> rshwake@irscscm.UUCP (Ray Shwake) writes:
>In article <Bx769K.2tG@intcorp.mn.org> jdf@intcorp.mn.org (Joel D. Flatt) writes:
>>What about Hawaii and Alaska?  How about not counting ANY ballots until 
>>the day after the election?  
>
>	Here's another alternative: Two-day voting (Saturday thru Sunday).
>	This avoids the pre-work after-work crush at the polling place
>	resulting from workday voting; it provides plenty of opportunity for
>	west coasters (including those in Alaska and Hawaii) to get their
>	votes in before east coast counting begins; it even avoids the
>	Sabbath problem that might be present if only one weekend voting
>	day were provided. 
>
>	Costs might be somewhat higher, but most of those manning the booths
>	are volunteers anyway. 


	This is my first time posting here or anywhere for that manner, so
please bear with me. Wouldn't there need to be a constituional amendment to
change the day of voting. I don't have a copy of the Constituion handy, but
I seem to remember that the second Tuesday in November is in there
somewhere. Besides, even if this happened, we would still have the problem
of the media making projections with only 2% of the vote in, or worse, with
0% of the vote in and projections via exit polls. The Federal Election
Commission can't exactlly tell them to not project for fear  of having a
"First Amendment-fight-for-your-right-to-project" bloodbath. About the only
thing that can be done, short of killing all pollsters (an idea perhaps
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Radio station won't pay off my prize
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:02:42 GMT


Mark Dubinsky reports that he won a small contest prize from a
California radio station, then 19 days later won $1,000 from the same
station.  Upon trying to collect, the station told him of their rule
that prohibits anyone from winning prizes more frequently than once
every 30 days, and refused to pay the $1,000 prize.  Mark now asks:

> Are they breaking any laws by not paying?  Any relevant cases that I
> should know about?  There was a case of a California Lottery
> contestant who was declared a winner of some big prize, and then the
> ball bounced into a smaller prize.  He sued the Lottery Commission
> and won, I think.  Does anyone remember that case?  I think it may
> be relevant to my situation.

Guido Marx reported:

> The lottery tried to argue that its rules clearly stated that the
> ball had to remain in the same slot for some period of time before
> that was considered to be the prize won.  This was true, that was in
> their rules.  However, the plaintiffs were able to show that the
> lottery routinely violated this rule (by examining video-tapes of
> other shows) and awarded prizes to other people before the ball had
> been in the slot for the specified period of time.  The court ruled
> that they couldn't selectively enforce the rules.  So, I would think
> that if you can find someone else who has won multiple prizes from
> the radio station within their 30-day limit, then you have got a
> good case.  I don't know how you would go about getting such
> information however.

Believe it or not, the best way to get this information might be to
ask them.  I'd unofficially advise you to first track down and get a
hard copy of the court's ruling in that California Lottery case.  Then
go to see whoever's representing the radio station in this matter,
show him that ruling, and, in as reasonable and non-confrontational a
manner as you can manage, say something like, "Okay, you and I both
know that _if_ your station has in the past been lax about enforcing
this 30-day rule, I'll eventually be able to find out about it.  It
might not be easy, and it'd almost certainly involve a lot of hassle
for both of us, but the truth _will_ come out.  So let's avoid a lot
of annoyance for both of us: does your station enforce this rule (a)
always, (b) often, (c) sometimes, (d) rarely or (e) never?"

You never know; the person you're dealing with might decide that
you're right about the potential hassles involved and just give you a
straight answer, even if it is one that hurt's the station's legal
position.  (Heck, they might even decide that it's worth paying you
the thousand dollars just to go away, though I wouldn't bet money on
that happening.)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Newsgroups: misc.legal