HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:53:08 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia


imr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian M Rae) writes:
>>>
>>>     ... the Falcon beats the 1200.  No, really, these important features
>>>of the Falcon always seem to get 'brushed off' by Amigoids when comparing
>>>the two machines.  Imagine how much it would cost to add most of these
>>>features to the 1200 (and then prey that 3rd party software vendors support
>>>your add-ons).  In fact, most of these can't even be found on the 4000.
>
> [ Stuff deleted ]
>
>>>     8. CD Codec
>>>     7. DSP
>
>>These will both be included in any 16 bit sound expansion.  8 bit sound is
>>fine for the majority of users, so why make them pay for it?  If YOU want 16
>>bit sound, YOU pay for it, not me.  Besides, the 56001 in the Falcon is
>>cheesy.
>
> "The 56001 is cheesy", WTF is that supposed to mean...

        Actually, I agree with Ian in this. While the 56001 isn't cutting
edge DSP technology, anyone who tries to pass it off in some offhanded way
doesn't appreciate just what that beastie can do.


> So get a life and actually admit just once that an atari machine has better specs
> as standard than the comparable Amiga one... ( i for one admit the AGA gfx are
> better for some stuff than the Falcons... )
>
>>880K flopies are included because, from what i've heard, there isn't a
>>slimline HD drive (halfspeed) that will fit in the 1200.  Besides, it's a lot
>>more expensive.
>
> Oh dear, for all those years Amigas had superior 880K floppies, now you have
> inferior 880K floppies just face it !
>
> It seems to me all the things Amiga boasted amout for so long have been
> superceded in a BIG way, and all of a sudden it doesnt matter how good the sound
> is, how big yer floppy is ( no comment !)...

        Actually, my whole opinion on the Falcon vs Amiga debate is "who gives
a shit!". What we're talking about are lumps of silicon and plastic. They aren't
going to solve 3rd world poverty, they aren't going to solve environmental
damage, they aren't going to solve next week's lottery numbers, so who cares.


  Computers are what I do for a living. They are *NOT* what I do for a life.


           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:04:45 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Bxu949.Bxs@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>In article <root.02pd@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>Just a bit of trivia:
>>
>>I saw a list the other day that shows what each state has allocated in it's
>>budget for HIV/AIDS care.
>>
>>Iowa, Idaho, Montana, and North Dakota allocated $0.
>
>Maybe they don't have a significant problem?
>
>They are all fairly rural states, probably fairly conservative and
>possibly make more INTELLIGENT decisions about what to do with their
>private parts.

This also assumes no druga addicts, and that no one ever gets a transfusion.

It also presumes the big lie that only gay people get AIDS.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: A few comments about productivity (short rant!)
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.024604.14654@news.Hawaii.Edu> amiga@Hawaii.Edu (ftp Amiga Manager) writes:
>Thorne Kontos (kontos@clipper.ingr.com) wrote:
>: Every so often, I update my resume. So here is my experience with
>: Word for Windows. Why did I use it? Mainly to get the output done
>: on a laser printer. My foolish mistake was not in realizing that
>: Word is definitely NOT WYSIWYG.
>
>Well, I can't say that I've ever actually used Word for Windows, but 
>Microsoft Word on the Mac, and just about every other halfway decent 
>word processing avoids your alignment problems by either using tab or 
>margin/paragraph settings.

Naw, ol' Thorne is an *AMIGA* user.  AMIGA users don't know what Tabs are,
I suppose.  Woo woo.

>-baron
>\X/  my alter ego account | baron@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |      128.171.44.7
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:  300 MIP Amiga
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:47:08 GMT

In article <root.02yx@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>>But the irony is that mainstreaming the platform through RISC capability
>>would open up the system to a wide range of possibilities. The potential 
>>of running NeXTStep, Windows NT, Unix or VMS leads to longevity. Making
>>the A4000 CPU modular offers tremendous advantages.

>NeXTStep - runs on 68030, 68040, 80486 - cost will be around $2500 for the
>           486 version.

$2500? Yikes, I heard it would be < $1000. It would certainly make a nice
front-end for an Amiga workstation though.

>Windows NT - now officially know as Windows 3.1 NT - will mostly be sold to
>             the Windows 3.x server marketplace.

DEC already has a version running on the Alpha. In fact, this is what
WordPerfect Corporation is using to develop WP for NT.

>Unix -	Commodore already has it.

If you're content with running it on an '030, with limited support.

>VMS - with base + development system + network support the license fees can
>      vary between $20000 to $50000 for software alone.

The possibility exists, although the cost-effectiveness is an issue.

>Where is the advantage?

Versatility and emulation. An inexpensive RISC-based Amiga could have
significant appeal.
From: jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:47:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov22.152358.6521@gw.wmich.edu> 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>Most Amiga owners belong to gamers or CS people.  I am
>sure that if I looked hard enough I could find an amiga version of most
>of the things I need.  Spice, for example, can be found if you look hard
>enough.  But I don't have time to search every FTP sight, every pirate
>board in the world to find a simple program that runs justa s well on a
>PC.



Have you tried something like Archie?



Jeremy
-- 
|~~~~///~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|   ///  "Channel Z! All Static! | "WaddayaMEAN my A3000's not    |
\\\///  All Day! Forever!" -B52s |  AGA compatible!  D-OH!!!" -Me |
|\\X/____________________________|________________________________|
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:15:50 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> Define a workstation.  At one time the PC/XT was considered to be a
> workstation.

IDC have a definition of a workstation:

* The main difference is in the operating system.
* A PC uses DOS, OS/2 or MAC OS.
* A workstation uses specific OS, UNIX, VMS, MVS and so on.
* The secondary difference is the CPU.
* PCs uses 8, 16, 32 bit CPUs.
* A workstation uses M680x0 or a RISC.
* A PC is a PC even if it uses single of multiple user UNIX like SCO 
  Xenix, Interactive IX and so on.

I hope this answeres your question.


---
"Piracy is theft." / FAST
"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: comp.sys.amiga for non-amiga postings?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:01:28 GMT

It seems that many Amiga users seem to like chatting to other Amiga users about
all sorts of non-amiga-computer related topics.

Perhaps we should use comp.sys.amiga for political postings, etc instead of
filling c.s.a.advocacy and the other newsgroups...

I guess if people are going to talk politics, then even if they posted in the
correct newsgroups, the amount of bandwidth used is going to be the same.

Anyway, my brother and I think this would be a good idea (tm).

comp.sys.amiga doesn't seem to be used for much and I believe most sites still
recieve the newsgroup.

Regards,

William Fang


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:12:08 GMT

Thanks, Kent, for all those video resolutions. 
Workbench can  run in all/most of those modes, right?

Re-Thanks-

_Dan
.

-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:21:25 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <10096@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>>
>>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?
> 
> It can run on ECS machines, in fact I'm typing this here on an A3000 running
> under 3.0. BUT: You need a KS 3.0 ROM (or some soft-kicked A3000 like this
> here). So, if someone already has a 2.04 KS ROM, he can very easily (only
> some disks) upgrade to 2.1, get over 90 % of the functionality of 3.0,
> without needing a new ROM!
> 
	Whats the procedure for KS2.04 users if they want to upgrade to 2.1?
	Go to a Dealer and beg or cough up some cash?

> -- 
> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
> Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Where is CDTV/AGA?
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:15:19 GMT
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

I can't wait much longer.  I don't have a CD player and I decided a while
ago that the next Amiga that I buy must have a CD player in it.

Unfortunately, the CDTV is now quite obsolete as AGA machines has been
released.  I know that there is a CDTV department in West Chester, so they
must be developing CDTV/AGA all the time.  It should be ready soon, now
that A1200 has been finished.

Does anybody know when it will be ready?

I was shopping today and bought Jeff Wayne's "The War of the Worlds" double
album.  I heard that CDs are nowadays much more common than LPs.  Soon I
must buy a CD player, unless...

CDTV/AGA would be connected with my telly, so that I don't need another
monitor.  My tv has quite good loudspeekers.  I would use it for playing
games, listening CDs, and some fancy multimedia stuff.

My A3000 is used mainly for programming and telecommunications.

I also heard that C= is selling A4000 to Finnish dealers at same price that
they are sold to German customers.  I hope that this changes soon.  Oh
well...

-- 
    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
    Helsinki, Finland, EC?      Markka is floating...  1 USD = 4.9 FIM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Ok, here is MY process list (OS/2):
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:22:38 GMT

Ok, I have seen a few Amiga process lists a late, and thought I'd
post to c.s.a.a. what I have runing on my OS/2 386 right now, in case
someone was interested and wanted to comment (naw, *really*? :)  )

_____________________________________________

PID   PID(hex)  Process Name (use /f for fully qualified names)
                                                                               
42    2a        CMD.EXE
49    31        CMD.EXE
7     7         DESKPIC.EXE
6     6         DINFO.EXE
52    34        GNUPLOT.EXE
51    33        GS32BETA.EXE
3     3         HARDERR.EXE
2     2         PMSHELL.EXE
4     4         PMSHELL.EXE
54    36        PS.EXE
5     5         PULSE.EXE
48    30        SYSINIT( UNIX Windows )
46    2e        TRACEPM.EXE
____________________________________________________

To tell you what they are:
CMD.EXE are the OS/2 command line shells.
DESKPIC.EXE is a screen saver.
DINFO.EXE is a small thing that tell me disk info, size, swapfile size, etc.
GNUPLOT.EXE and GS32BETA.EXE are GNUPlot for OS/2, and the 32bit beta shell
 	for displaying the plots.
I have NO idea what 'HARDERR.EXE' is.
The PMSHELL.EXE is my Workplace Shell.  There is two - in case the WPS *crashes*
	(forbid the thought :)  ) the _other_ PMSHELL.EXE relaunches the WPS.
PS.EXE is the program that tell me my processes. (Woo woo)
PULSE.EXE is the CPU-o-meter that comes with OS/2
SYSINIT( UNIX Windows ) is UNIX WIndows, a MS Windows communications app, similar,
	I hear to the 'Dnet' program Amigas have.  I am logged onto school
	three time right now, on two different machines.
And lastly, TRACEPM.EXE is the Presentation Manager application of DKBTrace,
	and OS/2 raytracer.   

Well, comments anyone?

And since you're gonna ask, things _certainly_ are slowed down compared to 
hardly anything launched.  Of course. Windows redraws are still darned fast,
but redrawing what was under them before I move them is pretty danged slow.
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:30:47 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Gary Duncan:  Had I a "teenage daughter," there's NO WAY I'd
let her be chaperoned by the like of Bill Clinton, Clarence Thomas, Woody
Allen,  or some of the people who've been in flamefests here lately.... 
For that matter, the flamefests participants I wouldn't want chaperoning a
teenage SON, ither, nor a significant chunk of the Massachusetts
congressional delegation [ops, that latter also applies to a teenage
daughter, thinking, e.g., of Teddy Kennedy].

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1eb5buINNdev@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> In article <Bxu744.KnM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:
> >
> >He's got a Sega Genesis and he figures that since it has a 68000 chip in it,
> >that it's as good as or better than the Amiga.  He won't let me crack the
> >cover on his Sega, so could someone please give me some good stats so I
> >can show him what really better.
> 
>    The Sega has a 68000 running at ~8MHz. It is capable of displaying 64 colors
> out of a palette of 256 colors. There are 10 channels of audio (or was that
> voices?). The Sega Genesis is also capable of using 80 sprites - 10x more than
> the Amiga. (The Sega-CD adds rotation and scaling hardware to the system, and
> boosts system performance to ~12MHz. It also adds CD quality audio.)

Any idea how those sprites work?  Is it really 80 independent, prioritized
sprites or be there some tricks involved?  For instance while the Amiga
has only "8 sprites", that's 8-sprites per line and as many down the screen
as you can find uses for...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Notebook Computers Dominate Comdex
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:09:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.161639.6403@tc.fluke.COM> kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   The obvious questions are: when is Commodore going to develop a notebook
>>Amiga???  Will it be when the growth of notebook sales has slowed and some
>>other technology is the cutting-edge in the industry?  And when will Commodore
>>jump into the pen-based computer market?  
>>---
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>As usual MB doesn't get it.
>
>Commodore is in the low-manufacturing-cost computer business.  When
>notebook displays are as cheap as CRTs, commodore will be in.  When there
>is no price penalty for portability, commodore will be in.  And when and
>*if* pen based computing stops being a niche and finds some mainstream
>customers, commodore might get in, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on pen
>computing if it were my company.

   No, you obviously don't get it.  Commodore obviously wants to be in the 
notebook computer market, because they sell a 386 notebook.  Note that I said
"sell" and not "produce".  The notebook computer that Commodore sells is
obtained entirely from outside the company.  Commodore just puts their name
on it and resells it.  

   Commodore would be in the notebook computer market with a notebook Amiga
if their engineers could develop one.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister)
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:52:02 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.204625.1707@msus1.msus.edu> lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>>Marc, take this to .advocacy right now.  I grow tired of reading your posts
>>in these other newsgroups where the subject matter belongs in .advocacy.

>   I did!  :-)

Problem is we don't want it either. Send to /dev/null

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>| Dont tell me that I am wrong, what, you say you
>| designed it. Nah you still wrong

*evil grin*
-- 
|.####...#....#..######.| Amiga 2000 HD 120+9Meg  &  Amiga 500              |
|.#...#..#....#..#......|   email:  u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au                  |
|.####...#....#..###....| OS/2 - If your happy with half and OS fine with me|
|.#...#...####...#......| He who rides the tiger can never dismount         |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
	<etxtsg.722261278@solsta-c>
	<1992Nov21.045745.19366@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au>
	<etxtsg.722505625@solsta-c>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:21:34 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:00:25 GMT, etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors  TX/DKF) said:

> What i meant was that although the commands differs, the things you can do
> is almost the same. Of course you dont have pipes or backgrounding processes
> on the PC, and you can only have 8 character long filenames. But you can 
> still do your basic copying files (although i hate messy dos copy comands syntax)
> deleteing files, starting your favourite editor. 

Actually MS-DOS do have pipes, you can say:
    DIR | SORT | MORE

-Heikki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: HEIDI'S DECISION. Was: Oh My God, help my friend not buy an IBM
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.215120.16931@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.181531.18791@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.101633.4863@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> lodi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (fabrizio lodi) writes:
>>>
>>>P.S. I and some friends of mine on a '030 accellerated Amiga
>>>     have launched A-Max, and then Soft-Pc for Mac;result:
>>
>>SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
>>Tell me it isn't slow.
>>
>>>       A 16Mhz 386!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Harumph!
>
>You mean you actually responded to this moron?  SoftPC emulates a 286, and 
>most older versions only emulate an 8086.  As far as the 16 MHz speed, I think
>that is a load of bunk.  Maybe an 8086/16...

Well, I do not know a how SoftPC works, just that it couldn't be fast 
emulating through  another emulator.  Besides, there isn't lotsa 386-specific
yet, anyway. YET.  I thought he meant in terms of speed - and a 16Mhz 386
would be WAY fast, IMNSEO, compared to any Amiga emulating a PC though the
Amax.


By the way, what in the hel IS Amax, specifically?  Is it a card? Software?

>|   John W. Linville                 Amateur radio:  KD4KHC                   |
>|   #include "std_disclaimer.h"      E-mail:  linville@catt.ncsu.edu          |
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.181208.272@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Thanks, Kent, for all those video resolutions. 
>Workbench can  run in all/most of those modes, right?
>
  All, of course. 

>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy