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From: ychen@ada.stat.uga.edu (Yinpu Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:27:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug15.192716.19592
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug12.202110.28441@math.ucla.edu> mosko@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bradley Moskowitz) writes:
>With regard to instant replay, I'd rather have no replays than the system
>used in the past few years. As many have stated already, it disrupted play
>much too often. I think the NFL should go to a system like that used by
>the USFL during its brief existence. Their system allowed a team to ask for
>a replay review of a disputed call - at the risk of losing a time-out if the
>play was not reversed. This system will not cause as many interruptions in
>play and will result in only critical calls being reviewed. So we won't
>have to wait while they decide where to spot a ball for ten minutes or
>suffer through numerous reviews. What do others think of this system ?

I think that system is great and that's acually what I was thinking all
along.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:35:47 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug17.144805.18366@verdix.com> drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson) writes:
>In article <=98m#v+.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>
>>
>>- The Niners' WRs looked generally super, which is good news with
>>  Jerry Rice still sitting out.  Ron Lewis deep-fried a couple of
>>  defenders, and Troy Kyles, who's probably their #6 WR, turned
>>  in some great catches.
>
>A couple of points.  The Skins go with almost exclusively man-to-man coverage
>in the preseason to see what the DBs can do.  Most of the frying was going
>on in the 2nd half, against late-round picks and free-agents.  I don't want
>to take anything from Kyles or Lewis, but from what I saw, this was not
>a good test of whether they can get open in the regular season.
>

Perhaps, though the guy that seemed to get beat the most was a veteren. Good
old Alvin Mays. He looked pathetic! I don't think the rest of the Washington
db's combined made as many mistakes as he did. I kept thinking that if
Washington really wanted to win the game, all they needed to do was take
Mays out of the game.



>>- The pass rush looked pretty good, considering that it was facing
>>  the best OL in the league.
>
>Yes, it looked pretty good.  I balance the fact that the Skins OL is minus
>Lachey with the fact that Haley was not playing.

Still, in the first half, the 49ers were getting pushed all over the field.
I kept thinking how glad I was that the 49ers only have to play the Redskins
once(if at all this year). I think the 49ers would have a hard time matching
up against that offensive line.

>
>>
>>- Special teams is still on the mend but seems to be getting better.
>>
>>All in all, a pretty fair showing against the world champs.  If I
>>had to make a prediction today, I'd say 11-5 even without Joe and Jerry.

Yep, 10 to 12 wins would be good. But if they went against the Redskins
16 times this season, I think 8-8 would be good. Luckily, few teams are
as good as the Redskins.

Tom Wolf
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Preseason Week #4 - DUE FRIDAY!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:11:18 GMT

Preseason Week 4
----------------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 5pm PDT (12MID GMT (Sat)) on Friday, Aug 21.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] San Diego
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] New Orleans
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] LA Raiders
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Detroit
[  ] [ ] Indianapolis		[ ] Cincinnati
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] NY Jets
[  ] [ ] Tampa Bay		[ ] Miami
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] LA Rams
[  ] [ ] Denver			[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Seattle
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Atlanta
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] Chicago
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Cleveland
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] Kansas City

Initials:

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!
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From: dugdell@grizzly (Richard Dugdell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Season Schedule
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:52:24 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, Washington D.C.

I'm sure that it has already been posted but I was away and cannot get it
would someone please either re-post or e-mail it to me.

Thanks in advance.

Rich...

dugdell@grizzly.nrl.navy.mil
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers 2nd pre-season game
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:56:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



SAN DIEGO 20  PATRIOTS 10

Typical pre-season game. Gagliano started. He looked pretty good.
But then, it was the Patriots defense. And he had the running game
going. Butts looked very good, as did Harmon and Bienemy. It was
quite funny watching Butts carry Patriot DBs for a ride whenever 
they got hold of him.

Miller made a couple of nice catch-and-runs, as well as his mandatory
dropped ball. The passing game is still weak, and the secondary
still has some 'bodies'. The 2nd CB position is still up for grabs.

Next game with the 49ers. Brings back bad memories of last years
regular season game. They let the best WR in all of football [Rice]
open behind them with nary a guy within 20 yds of him.. 
At least Rice is still holding out.




--Prashanth
  prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu
  U of California at San Diego
From: slskq@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:06:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug18.002014.14844@husc3.harvard.edu>, vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
> Hell... since I am getting tired of reading about the same things over
> and voer again (no offense to those of you enjoying yourselves with the
> current conversations), I decided to try to start a NEW strand of 
> posts inspired by some questions I have... Basically, my question(s)
> come down to this: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
> 
> I was wondering wher some of the greats were? I mean, I realize several
> are in the Hall of Fame (many are, actually, but I mean several of the
> ones I will list), but what happened to all of them?
> 
> For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
> 			      Steve Bartkowski?
> 			      Ed "Too Tall" Jones?
> 			      Randy White?
> 			      John Riggins?
> 			      Tony Hill?
> 			      Danny White? (Is he still a backup/sideline
> 						coach?)
> 			      Tony Dorsett? (What'd he do after Denver?
> 					     or is he still a backup?)
> 			      Steve Walsh? (Where IS he now, ever since
> 					    leaving Dallas?)
>                               Eric Dickerson?
> 
> Can anyone else think of any players that seemed to disappear, either during 
> or after their careers?
> 
> -- Venk Reddy --

	Jim Zorn is a quarterback coach here at Utah State University.

Randy L.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Address request
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 20:03:58 GMT


     Would someone know where I can find an address for the Eagles.  A friend
wants to write to get a few autographs from the players.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:42:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug13.201523.20484@mr.med.ge.com> frigo@opustech.com writes:
>On defense, the cornerbacks and safties have improved by
>quantum levels.  Adrian White at saftey and Louis Billups
>at cornerback are making very positive contributions.  Billups
>is sort of a character.  White seems like a very serious
>hard working player.

Louis Billups is terrible.  Horrible.   Atrocious.





--dave
From: mgustafs@bomber.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FANTASY POLL (draft)
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:51:34 GMT

I am entering my first season in an 8-team fantasy football league. I would like
to conduct a poll to guage my ideas for my draft strategy/preperation with those
of you who are regular subscribers and contributors to this news-group. Drafting
in general is old hat to me being in a fantasy baseball league for the past ten
years. So I understand basic draft preperation... etc. Please take a moment to
reply directly to me if you wish. I'll post some of your ideas, thoughts and
suggestions at the end of the month.


DRAFT SITUATION
===============

Being in a league of only 8, I am guarenteed a first-round pick certain to be the
back-bone of my team.


POLL QUESTION
=============

Who would you take in that first round? Knowing that there will be a quality QB
available, is this the position you would draft from first? Why?



Send all replies using the e-mail address listed below, please.

Thanks,

Mark



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"Mark?...  He's the kind of guy, that, well, if you were ever in a jam he'd be
 there ... with two slices of whole wheat and some chunky peanut butter."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:00:37 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

   The celebration rule is pretty bad, but I've never seen it enforced after a
score, and although it is fun to watch a defensive player dance around after a
sack, that _is_ vaguely unsportsmanlike, so I can live with it.

   The rule that gets me most annoyed, probably because it's often used, is the
"ground can't cause a fumble" rule.  SO WHAT if the ground causes the fumble? 
As long as both his knees have yet to touch the ground, it's the ball carier's
job to hold onto th' blasted thing!  
   Are receivers given a catch when the wind blows the ball out of their reach? 
Do they pause play if a back slips on mud to let him get back up?  If a field
goal kicker steps on a patch of ice and ends up kicking the ball into his
bench, do they let him try again?  Why on Earth should they disallow a fumble
just because the running back actually HIT THE GROUND when he was knocked
down...

Fuming about unessentials,

Max Zener
From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Wanted Bills News
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:37:01 GMT
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta

I need Bills news, I'm a native of Buffalo and do love the Bills.
From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Aug14.172154.619@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>JOHN HEIM writes:
>>Vernon H Harmon writes...
>>
>(some other guy writes...)
>>>>No 2 point conversion.
>>> 
>>>oh, yeah, i forgot about that one. it would be nice and make the games
>>>more interesting, but that we don't have it doesn't make me all that
>>>upset...
>>
>>Yeah, I don't think this is the NFL's *stupidest* rule but I'd like to 
>>see it too.  
>
>I think the logic behind the absence of a 2-pt conversion is that if you
>have overtime, you don't need a 2-pt conversion option, and vice versa.
>NOT that I agree with this viewpoint, its just what I've always heard
>after asking "Why no OT in college ball?", and "Why no 2-pt in the pros?"
>
>Curious, curious.
>James Clyde     LSU '91   |             -- Briscoe Darlin, T.A.G.S.

There is no logical connection between the two. What if you're trailing by 
eight points and a touchdown with two-point conversion will tie the game?
A connection between the two presumes that the only situation that you'd want
to use a two-point conversion is when trailing by seven points.  That's not
realistic.  Pro should have a two-point conversion, and college should have
overtime.  It's that simple.

Peter Brown

-- 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Head Coaches
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:24:22 GMT

In article <MeWkPlm00WDKA8ro8I@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>oooh, test time...
>
>Indianapolis Colts:		Marchibroda

New England Patriots:		Dick MacPherson

>Pittsburgh Steelers:		Cowher
>Seattle Seahawks:		Flores

Phoenix Cardinals:		Joe Bugel

>
>well, 60% ain't *too* bad I guess....
>
>--Vernon.

Here's the other 40%

Don Pajerek
From: syang@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Guess)
Subject: Fantasy Football League
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:34:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

I have spaces for 2 more owners.  Please reply by Tuesday(Aug. 18).
You would need to turn in your draft list by Friday(Aug. 21).

Roger

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:05:32 GMT

pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee) writes:
>	CHUCK LONG?!? He didn't win the Heisman, did he?

No, he didn't go to Notre Dame.


--Gidi
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins holdouts
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:19:04 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, paul@austin.ibm.com writes:

>Does anyone know the status of Lachey, Green or Howard?

Little progress with Lachey and Howard, and still no deal so far.....


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lions injuries
From: chaas@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Christopher J. Haas)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:34:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business
Keywords: Speilman, Ball, Coeffer

Can anyone elaborate on the injuries to Speilman, Ball, and Coeffer?
I saw the game last night but didn't hear any commantary on the nature of
the injuries or how long they were expected to be out.
Thanks

Haas


Chris Haas                                             Consultant              
chaas@ucqais.cba.uc.edu                                University of Cincinnati
"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum..."
                                                              Rowdy Roddy Piper
-- 
Chris Haas                                             Consultant              
chaas@ucqais.cba.uc.edu                                University of Cincinnati
"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum..."
                                                              Rowdy Roddy Piper
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 13:49:56 CDT
From: <U50212@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Looking good for the Bears, NOT!



>>Jim Harbaugh needs to taught some passing skills...
>
>Check his QB rating for last year, especially for games played before
>the offensive line got so banged up.
>
>>...because anything innovative will cause Mr. Touchdown to rant and rave
>>about we don't need to be cute out there.
>
>This may have escaped your notice, but it's the preseason: coaches run plays
Dilize players that they may not choose to run or utilize in the
>regular season.

>>The offensive line must rebuild.
>
>Note carefully the draft choices aimed at exactly that.  They started
>rebuilding a few years ago with Fontenot, for instance.
>
>>Richard Dent has turned lazy...
>
>Hmmm.  He had his best year ever last year.  On what basis do you
>claim that he has turned lazy?
>

>Incidentally, I noticed that you failed to mention Mark Carrier, who
>provided some much needed help in the secondary as well as delivering
>vintage Singletary-style hits.

HURRAH BEARS FANS ARE EVERYWHERE (EXCEPT FOR ONE SILLY PERSON IN CHICAGO , PHIL
). TRY TO REMEMBER THE DAYS OF COACHES LIKE ARMSTRONG AND OTHERS WHO DID NOT
RANT AND RAVE  LIKE A "SELF-SERVING JERK". THE TEAM WAS HARDLY IN CONTENTION FO
R A WILD-CARD LET ALONE A DIVISON-CHAMPIONSHIP. THE BEARS HAVE WON 7(?) DIVISIO
NAL TITLES SINCE DITKA CAME, AND DON'T GIVE ME THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE WEAK D
IVISION THEY ARE IN. TAKE A LOOK  AT THE NINERS DIVISION UNTIL RECENTLY THEIR B
EST COMPETITION CAME FROM THE RAMS. WOULD YOU TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEM. GRA
NTED THE BEARS ARE NOT THE SAME CALIBER AS THE NINERS BUT IMHO THEY COME CLOSE.

GOOOOOOO BEARS!!!!!!!!


MARIO ANDRADE

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Terry McDaniel
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:10:15 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I was watching the Raider game last saturday and didn't see Terry 
McDanial play at corner. Does anybody know what happend to him.?



Silver&Black
"Raiders are back with the Silver and Black Attack"
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:33:28 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>
>- The pass rush looked pretty good, considering that it was facing
>  the best OL in the league.
>

The 49er pass rush did little against the Washington starting OL,
even though Lachey, "the best tackle in the League," was still holding out.
The 49er pass rush didn't get going until the starters were pulled.  Then
they did well against the "worst backup OL in the League."

This may be bad news for Washington.  In the past we've had solid backups
for the Hogs, but this year problems have surfaced.  True, once Simmons, 
Adickes, and Elewonibi are fully healed, the situation may improve, but I 
hope we get Lachey in soon and stay injury free.  Otherwise...

					don
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.misc
From: njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer)
Subject: Arenaball playoffs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:52:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Keywords: scores, Arenabowl 92


Arena Football League playoff results (home teams in caps):

Week 11:

ORLANDO 50, Cleveland 12
DETROIT 48, Sacramento 23
Dallas 48, ALBANY 45
TAMPA BAY 41, Cincinnati 36

Week 12:

DETROIT 57, Dallas 14
ORLANDO 24, Tampa Bay 21

Arenabowl 92:

8/22:

Detroit at Orlando

Arenabowl 92 is going to be shown Saturday on ESPN.

Arena Football League final standings (Divisional standings in brackets):

North:

Detroit Drive           8-2  (5-1)
Cincinnati Rockers      7-3  (4-2)
Albany Firebirds        5-5  (2-4)
Cleveland Thunderbolts  4-6  (1-5)

South:

Orlando Predators       9-1  (5-1)
Tampa Bay Storm         9-1  (5-1)
Charlotte Rage          3-7  (2-4)
New Orleans Night       0-10  (0-6)

West:

Dallas Texans           5-5  (4-2)
Sacramento Attack       4-6  (3-3)
Arizona Rattlers        4-6  (3-3)
San Antonio Force       2-9  (2-4)


Nick Sauer

"I can just imagine stopping a group of terrorists in their tracks with this
magnificent weapon." Negativland GUNS, Now.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twright@smcl415.smkt (Tom Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:10:46 GMT
Reply-To: twright@smcl415.smkt
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 65913@hydra.gatech.EDU, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>think the worst is?

  The most annoying and senseless rule to me is when the referees feel the need 
to call offsetting unnecessary roughness penalties when there is a fight on
the field. What a waste of time!! 

Tom Wright
twright@lsil.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:44:37 GMT
Keywords: n

>The Detroit Lions have two other Heisman trophy winners on the team
>besides Barry Sanders, they are Andre Ware and Chuck Long.       
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^

Chuck Long didn't win the Heisman.  In fact, when was the last time
a Big 10 quarterback won the Heisman?????

PS  I am a University of Illinois grad...this isn't a flame to the 
    conference.....