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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:32:45 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject:    Typos

All this talk about "The Spirit Of Radio" (what I call it) and "Freewill"
brings me to this:

"Xanadu" was spelled "Zanadu" on ESL
and...
on the album, and every other version of "Distant Early Warning", the first
line is sung "An *early* wind comes a- rising..." not "An *ill* wind ...."
(as printed in the liner notes for p/g)

Just thought I'd mention that...

Mike

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From: albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva)
Subject: Re: rush
Keywords: hello
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:02:21 GMT


This is not a flame msg. so READ IT!

The other day I was listening to COS, and having not heard the Necromancer in a long time I realized that 7 minutes into the song Rush goes into a Pearl Jam like jam.....

Is this amazing or what?  Rush is playing in 1975 the style that is most popular today!  I wonder how many of todays musicians were influenced by this album...

what do other people think about this?

albertr
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Pt 2/5: FAQ: Rush FAQ Li
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:52:48 -0700

"Dan Delany, talking to All, said about 'Pt 2/5: FAQ: Rush FAQ Lis' ":
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>   "Okay, I may have answered this before, But if not, the shouted words
>   in that song represent an argument between Our Hero and the Didacts
>   and Narpets - teachers and parents. I honestly can't rememer what the
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Ah, I figured it out, then! Cool. Still, Narpets IS an anagram for NPearts..

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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:54 GMT

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In article <16876150C2.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:

>>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.

>>--Ethan

>That's the strongest connection I could ever come up with. It _is_
>a pretty weak connection, but then again the connection between the
>titles is relatively weak too, right? I mean, if anything there is
>a _contrast_ between the two: analog/digital, kid/man. Right?


>Gregg

Maybe that's precisely the connection.  IT's kinda lame, but here's my cursory
explantion...While groing up, we have to learn everything by doing.  We have to 
learn the basics before we can effectively use the short-cuts.  
(ie learning to read an analog clock before just being able to use a digital.
weak I know, but true.)

So, I guess that the analog kid groes up into the digital man with all of his 
knowledge and the problems that that encompasses.

Mind you, I don't really think that songs on this album are related, even though
I'm sure examples to the contrary can be found.  I just happen to like this 
album(Signals), and this is all in my Humble opinion.

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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:56:31 GMT

In <1ahqbuINN8v6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:


>   Well, I thought that was one of the reasons Neil is considered to be
>so awesome--the fact that his drumming is so creative.

I thought that was the *only* reason.   0-}

> Most of Neil's
>stuff can be played reasonably well by the average drum student (assuming
>that they have enough hardware...), but how much of it would the average
>drum student have thought of on his own?

Well, that depends on who he's playing with.  If he's by himself, with no
other musicians to play with, yeah, it's pretty hard to come up with stuff
like Peart's.  But, when you have a band like Rush writing things in weird
time sigs like Cygnus X-1, sometimes you can't help but come up with something
weird.

>   As a below-average drum student but a veteran of many years of musical
>training, it seems to me that Neil's strength is in his creativity, not
>the fact that he can pull off impossible drum stunts.  The bits where it
>sounds like Neil is keeping four different rhythms at once are impressive,
>but it's his use of the drums as a fully textured, versatile instrument
>that keeps me listening.

I'm not saying he's not good.  I'm just saying that the intro to The Big
Money isn't as impressive as some of his other parts, and it certainly
doesn't impress me nearly as much as it did the original poster (sorry I
forget who you are).


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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<96813@bu.edu>
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:33:38

In article <96813@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

   >Why the semi-drastic changes from Hemispheres to Permanent Waves then?  Songs
   >were shorter; Geddy seemed to come down an octave or two, vocal-wise.  Maybe
   >they weren't intentially designed to be more commercial, but I find it a
   >little hard to swallow myself.

   This is great material for a new thread. WHY the big change? My
   explanation is that Rush wanted to be at the forfront of music
   with the coming of the new decade after having becoming masters
   of rock technique. After all, _Permanent Waves_ was the first
   album to be released during the 80's (Jan. 1 1980!), not unintentionally
   I would bet! The band has said that his drop in vocal frequency was
   `a matter of maturity'. The shorter length was probably a result
   of a `less is more' attitude. 

You probably cannot point out _one_ reason that led to the "big change"
in Rush between Hemispheres and Permanent Waves. 
Not only the drop in vocal frequency was a matter of maturity. The
shortening of the songs also was, I think. When you're writing long
story-books, whatever you are trying to convey easily ends up being
rather nebulous since you're so much concerned about the smooth flow
of the story. I would guess that Rush wanted to "come out of the fog"
and put down something that people could more easily relate to. There
was also the musical side to the shortening of the songs. When your
experience grows you begin to write the song based on what the frame-
work of the composition demands rather than what your sense of experi-
mentation demands; I wouldn't consider this a "less is more" attitude,
IMO, it's merely the want to leave out the inessential. The compositions
on Permanent Waves aren't worse than those on the preceeding albums;
they are shorter, tighter and more effective. 
Lyric-wise, Neil had matured and wanted to stop writing long stories
dressed in eloquence and allegory and write something a bit more rea-
listic. This, I think, was an important part of his growth as a lyri-
cist. I'm not saying that novelists who spend their lives writing
fairy tales or whatever are immature (take a look at someone like
Tolkien and you'll realise that you can write _mature_ _fantasy_),
but Neil's (wise) decision was to move on to open new, grander
and more meaningful vistas. 
I don't think there was any "less is more" attitude. In fact, Neil
has himself said that he is not one of those who think that less
is more. "A lot of the time, less is less." -NP
If there is any "less is more" attitude in Rush, it has appeared
only on Roll The Bones. And, on that album, IMO, less is less. 
--
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.065021.3037@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
>Rush has become too fashion-conscious of late, if you ask me, that's why I tuned out Presto and RTB.
>
>Chris in Montreal

I kinda hafta disagree with Chris's assesment of this fashion concious thing
here, not that Rush isn't fashion concious (let's face it, they are HUMAN 
BEINGS, who probably enjoy looking good every once in a while).  But I
have to say that their music is certainly kept pace with current trends too,
but so had their older material.  Let's face it, in the early '70's, 
Zepplinesque music was all the rage (_Rush_), and later on in that decade
art rock evolved (_2112_), and in the early 80's anthemic rock songs were
popular ("Tom Sawyer", "The Spirit of Radio"), later on, electronics were all
the rage (p/g HYF _Signals_, wrong order, I know), and now we are moving
back to a more organic sound.  Even rappers (Arrested Development, Me Phi Me),
are turning back, so Rush is really in tune to what's going on.  I would
love to see them tour with or perform with a group like Public Enemy, and 
seeing them w/ Primus was great....  Lets face it if Rush was a Stangant band,
they wouldn't at all be interesting.


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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Cover Art etc.
Summary:  Anyone know of a good source of prints?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:59:34 GMT

	Does anyone know of any sources for prints etc.. of the original 
	cover art on Rush albums, such as RTB, _Signals_, HYF, and p/g?

	Any help would be appreciated!!!

	Thanx,
		Chintan Amin

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From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 04:12:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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In respose to Frank Sereno's article flaming mine, a pentagram has the
point on top (NOT devil worshiping), a pentacle has the point downward
(devil worshiping), sort of the same as the difference between a crucifix
and an inverted crucifix.

And quit the flames......everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

---suemac
From: v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rheostatics
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16877DCCA.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes...
>I recently ordered the album _Whale Music_ by the Rheostatics. Neil plays on
>two tracks of this album (it's a Toronto band). I really like the album, but
>it absolutely nothing like Rush. It's kind of Pink Floyd--REM--Toad the Wet
>Sprocket. The lyrics are good, funny in an eclectic sort of way. Neil arranges
>and plays percussion on one track and is featured on the other. His solo is
>really cool, if short.
> 
>All in all, this album is worth getting if you're into this kind of music--I
>associate the genre with college students. Also, if you're a total Rush freak
>and have to have everything Neil's ever played. Otherwise it's probably not
>worth it. If anyone's interested, mail me for the phone number of the
>distributor (I don't have it around my terminal).
> 
>I'm not sure how legal it would be for me to post a willingness to copy the
>requisite tracks for interested parties, so I won't mention that.
> 
>Later.
> 
>--Ethan
> 
>    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."

	Ever hear "The Ballad of Wendel Clark?" Great tune.
I always thought Neil Peart was a self absorbed pompous ass (judging from
his interviews). It kind of suprises me that he'd play with a local
band like that.
	
						Latre,
						'Q.'
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:56:50 GMT
Organization: Yale University

What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.
 
Am I grasping at straws here?
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:27:29 GMT
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> to me that Neil's lyrics have gotten really boring and that he is repeating
> himself.  IMHO opinion, the Pass is "Tom Sawyer having a Nervous Breakdown",

Tom Sawyer is about a modern day rebel, and the Pass is about suicide.
I see no connection.

Then I guess you could also say 2112 where the character dies is like
the Pass, and that Subdivisions is also related to Tom Sawyer, etc.

> Anagram and Roll the Bones are simply rehashes of the "Why I am an
> atheist" theme

Anagram has a theme?  I think you must be reffering to another song!


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From: md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson)
Subject: Shut up Gregg!!
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:07:37 GMT
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well I am just so sick and tired of hearing greg whine i just want to say shut
up.  It is obvious that you are a huge rush fan, but that gives you no rigth 
to preach and prattle about the group.  This rush accoridng to gregg shit is
ludicrous.  You must acknowledge that others can have an opinion and you 
are not always right...some od us are sick and tired of reading your silly
posts day in and day out.  So give it a rest will you?

Mike

P.S> I am not trying to start a flame war..try an intelligent response! 
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From: messim2@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Matthew Joseph Messinger)
Subject: Neil's Cross et. al.
Reply-To: messim2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:01:22 GMT

Hey everybody,
    I'm a realitively new reader and this is the first thing I have posted.  I 
just want to say a few things about what was said under the 'neil's cross' head-
ing.  
    I'll start with neil's cross(obviously) and say this.  I believe that when he decided to wear the cross, he did not have a particularly philisophical drive as a reason.  I believe he saw it, liked it and may have though it "This is cool, I think I'll wear this."  Not because it made a fasion statement or anything but just because he wanted to.  Somewhere in an interview I believe he said something about him being an agnostic and the above attitude would fit that belief.
    The next topic is related and deals with the bands "fasion trends."  This area is probably very similar to the 'neil's cross' topic in that they just like it.  The members of the band probably do what most people do and wear what they like.  I think the fasions are "current" and influenced by current styles but that's not the only reason.  As I said before, they probably just like it.
    Next is their current trend of music.  As someone posted, Geddy, Neil and Alex are just human beings and are influenced by the world around them.  Rush's music has changed as times have changed.  They lean towards but improve on the styles of the times with an emphasis on what they believe.  I believe that people should not judge between 'old' and 'new' Rush but between Rush and everyone else.  'Old' and 'New' Rush is different, reflecting changing times and moods.  
    One last note, this one on alternative music.  Alternitive music started out as a go-between of rock and pop.  It tried to deal with 'popier' themes on a rock level.  There are some really good bands out there(i.e. The Cure, REM and others) but the majority is a failure(my opinion).  The title 'Alternative' meant that it was an alternative to what was already out there(and thought to be trash).  
    That's all from me for now.
                                       Matt
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:44:07 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

RE: True fans

Guys,

being a true fan of RUSH or any band also means being critical.
If Rush does something that sucks, then face up to it:
it sucks!  Unconditional acceptance of all that they do
is the mark of obsession and immaturity, not fandom.

Recall, if you will, Neil's recent radio interview and
how he rejects the notion of heroes.

Let's face it, everybody makes mistakes, everybody is
human, even the guys in Rush.  I'm pretty sure that
any musician appreciates an honest critical appraisal of
his or her work rather than unconditional acceptance.

Chris in Montreal
From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:18:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

This is in reference to the confusion about the pentagram.  A five pointed
star, usually inscribed in a circle, is known as a pentgram, only when one
of the points is up.  The pentagram is a symbol representing the five senses,
the five elements(earth, air, fire, water, and Akasha, an omnipresent
spiritual power), the hand, or the human body.  It has been used as a
protective symbol since the days of Babylon.  I feel that Rush's use of the
pentagram isn't a spiritual one, but rather a uniting of the senses.    
Anyone else have any ideas?

-suemac
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Piano in Rush songs?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:43:39 GMT

Organization: Boston University Physics Department


In article <1achacINNqeq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
>

>
>>I'd say because of their beginnings as a _hard_ rock trio. I don't

Are you sure that's a _real_ piano? I think he uses a synth set up to
_sound_ like a piano. In any event, it took him 15 years to use one,
even if he did. So he might be seen to have the same `distance' from
the piano as Rush...

Gregg


>
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From: GEN4073@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (STEPHEN BECKETT)
Subject: Rush & Primus
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:30:02 GMT
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Did anyone see Rush on tour when they had Primus opening up for them?  That's
one concert I'd pay dearly too see.  (Primus being one of my favorite bands). 
Right there, in one gig, you have two of the world's best bassists.
(Les Claypool and Geddy Lee).  

<--SHADOWHAWK-->
"Come with us, we'll sail the Seas Of Cheese..."


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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Oct3.043904.6251@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Oct6.055228.23776@cc.umontreal.ca>
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:52:38

In article <1992Oct6.055228.23776@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:

   Well, Frank,  I should like to set the record straight.  I'm not one for 
   starting flame wars, but a certain Gregg Yeager has appointed himself mod-
   erator of this group and of the Alt.music.Rush version of political correct-
   ness.  It seems that everytime somebody posts a comment that Mr. Yeager sees 
   as disagreeing with his own version of Rush Orthodoxy, he sees it fit to start
   a flame war.  So far, I have bore the brunt of the flames and have responded,

[Lots of stuff deleted]

Perhaps you should consult a professional. Are you suffering from an 
inferiority complex or something? Your self-esteem is incredibly low.
Who's this Yeager anyway?
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:29:45 GMT


Tero, I was just curious. How well does Rush go over among folks in Finland?
Also, pardon my ignorance (especially as an American of Scandinavian descent)
but I confess my inability to figure out your gender from your name. 

Just wondering,
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