HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Anti-Semites" are Jew-haters: True, but show the relevence.
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:50:16 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr11.114940.18207@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.163932.20381@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@cs.ucla.edu writes...
>>"Anti-Semite" is a far too polite, euphemistic way to refer
>>to Nazis like "Ralph Winston"/"Pete Faust". He/she/it is a
>>Jew-hater who dreams of being a Jew-killer.
>
>	I've never seen any words by these individuals that indicate they
>	are "anti-Semite"s.  As far as I can read, they are against zionism
>	and only question the validity of historic events. Where's the sin?
>
>	And I think anyone who knows about Judaism, the religion, and 
>	Zionism, a movement based on nationality, knows that they can be
>	mutually exclusive (but aren't necessarily).
>
>	I've met Zionist, of Jewish origin (of course!), that emphasize
>	the nationality over the religion. And in my opinion, that's the 
>	err. 

You aren't reading very closely.  The group believes that the Holocaust
didn't happen, contrary to the believe of the entire academic community,
and governments, museums, etc.  They believe that the Jews have lied
about this for 50 years, and are powerful enough to get the governments
of Poland, German, US, Russia, etc to go along with it.
If the events didn't happen, then there has to be an explanation why
the whole world believes it does; and this is where the anti-Semitism
comes in.

They also post stuff saying that the Jews control the media.
They refer to all Jews as Zionists, whether they are or not.

Also, they are affiliated with other groups, and share membership and
resources with groups that are openly white-supremicist and anti-Semitic.
(KKK, Nazi parties, etc.).

The Duke Department of History says that the IHR is not doing what academics
recognize as historical revisioinism; they have no credibility anywhere
in any academic circle.  The Duke History Department says that the purpose
of what the IHR does is not to 'set the record straight' on a historical
event, but to portray Jews as lying about this, and controlling the world
for the Jews own purposes.  

So the Duke Department of History (I posted the ad earlier) says that this
has nothing to do with history, but is intended to hurt and defame Jews.

It's very sophisticated anti-Semitic propaganda that looks like
academic scholarship.  But it's anti-Semitic propaganda nonetheless.

>>What is the origin of the word "Anti-Semite" anyway?
>>It sounds like it must have been invented by a Jew-hater.
>
>	Or an Arab hater.

No.  It was invented in the 19th century to refer to Jew-hatred, and has
been used as such since then.  

People who hate Arabs are racist, and should be condemned for that.
Maybe that kind of hatred requires a new word.

>	-Ismail

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:53:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqrq6INN79h
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu

In article <gate.Be5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>                          WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?
>                          The Alarming Facts

Has anyone considered the theory that the media is run by boneheads?  It
seems obvious to me, but I'll point out a few things:

a) The media has no real idea of what is an important story.  Positive
feedback is the key here, so as soon as someone broadcast something,
everyone has to broadcast it.  And once they start covering a story, they
have to keep covering it.

b) Things that are constant are unimportant.  E.g. people are still starving
in Africa.  It's a change that makes news.

c) The media doesn't really know what they're talking about.  Coverage
tends to be "Here's some footage and now we'll interview someone".

d) To make this worse, the media tries to discuss what's going to happen
rather than what already happened.

e) If something is on video, it's important to TV; if it's not on video,
it's not important.

The theory that boneheads run the media explains a lot more than competing
theories that the Jews run the media, or big business runs it, or leftists
run it, or whatever.

Ken Shirriff				shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
From: glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary L. Hewitt)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Even *more* responses from. . . .Ralph Winston!  <gasp!!!>
Date: 5 Apr 92 16:52:11 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <43930@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.150315.24047@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>>In article <gate.Du2kiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston aka Shitbrain) writes:
>>>UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Look you anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, son of a bitch, get rid of this neo-Nazi,
>>anti-Semitic trailer NOW!
>
>     I am probably going to be flammed by this, but aren't the above written
>pieces basically the same?  but reflected toward different people who had
>different believes?  Please note that I personally do not endorse this
>kind of writing, but am merely posting my PERSONAL opinion.

You see -- Ralphie et al. can legitimately be called neo-nazis and
antisemites.  Look at their posts -- they talk about "Jewish
conspiracy," they reproduce just about every piece of Nazi ideology
*except* their ability to carry some of it out.  For instance, "The
concentration camps were a legitimate response to the dangers posed by
the potential Jewish traitors within Germany." (rough paraphrase of one
of the 66 Questions and Answers).

On the other hand, there are no "Zionist Thought Police," and the
invocation of them is meant as an insult and is offensive.  Mr. Krieger
rightfully takes offense, and takes offense every time they put in in a
post.  Bravo!

Son-of-a-bitch and Shit-brain, on the other hand, are personal opprobria,
not group words.  Unless the sons-of-bitches and shitbrains of the world
are insulted by being compared to Ralphie :-)

Gary

-- 
  ++================================++
  ||        Gary L. Hewitt          ||  HELP!  I've been imprisoned by
  || glhewitt@phoenix.princeton.edu ||  my .signature!  HELP!
  ++================================++
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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: RFK shot in the back ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:46:07 GMT
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)

>I think the guard was `forgiven' by the Kennedy family, and no charges laid.
>If the bodyguard did NOT fire the fatal shot, there must have been another
>assassin and there is no evidence for that. There is much more to the story
>but I thought all Americans knew it.

>If you wish I could post the story and the book details here.

>Big Al    ^ ^
>           |
>          \_/

This brings up a good question - do we want a parallel discussion in this
newsgroup regarding the Robert Kennedy murder?

I personally would like this - however - there might be some who don't.
I think that because they are brothers and this all happened durring the
same general period in Amreican history and there are allogations of both
murders being part of a larger overall conspiracy - that a discussion
around this is warrented (no reference to our favorite Commission intended
Ha, ha).

Obviously, I have no authority in this newsgroup other than just my own
opinion - Sooo is there any consensus about this?

If we start this discussion it would be nice to add a <JFK> or <RFK> to
the title.

Marty Moose
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From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,alt.activism,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: IHR Scores Stunning Victory in $11 Million Mermelstein Trial!
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:13:05 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <1992Apr10.075828.12911@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:

>Maybe you don't understand English.  Danny's saying that he has 
>something, that when Ralph reads it, it will show that Ralph
>(the person who distributes anti-Semitic White-Supremicist) literature
>is wrong, where Danny has been right all along.

Sigh.... ERROR 99 - READER CONFUSED!

Ralphie/Maynerd/Pfaust/RoxyDoxy/FlimFlam/trash isn't INTERESTED in:

1. Reality
2. Honesty
3. Integrity
4. Truth
5. Freedom of anything, let alone truth

what you have here is pure, unadulterated, naked nazi trash. The input
is shit, because the brain has atrophied from lack of exercise, and
the output is also shit, for obvious reason - GIGO.

this is perhaps the most witless, worthless, unsubstantiated bullshit
ever seen on the net - but consider the source - nazi trash, no matter
how hard it tries to recycle itself as "turth", is still nazi trash.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, can or will change that.

>Which strategy is it not to give ones real names, not to answer question,
>to post the same garbabe over and over, to post advertisements as
>if they were news?

the strategy of cowardice - nazi trash has ALWAYS hidden behind
falsehoods - cowardice cannot survive any other way.

Cowards, liars, trash. It's all so simple, really.
-- 
      === The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada ===
Public Access UseNet for Central Vancouver Island via SCO XENIX 2.3.2GT
  Waffle v1.64: (604) 758-9698 HST v32bis   (604) 758-6208 (2400 x 4)
kmcvay%oneb.wimsey.bc.ca@mala.bc.ca  Telebit TB+ For Sale - $400.00 (Firm)
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Elvis conspiracy
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:20:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167CA9F81.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

All the good looking young white rock & roll singers of the 1950s who
could have been a competitive threat to Elvis either died or got their
legs broken:

Carl Perkins - broken leg (or worse?), prevented him from performing
               for many years

Gene Vincent - broken (paralyzed?) leg, later died.

Buddy Holly - Died in plane crash, formidable competition.

Big Bopper  - "                 " not good looking or young,
              included for completeness
Ritchie Valens - Also died in same plane crash, not white but was a threat.

Eddie Cochran - died (suicide?)

Other performers not harmed:

Bill Haley - not very young or good looking
Jerry Lee Lewis - not good looking, too controversial for his own good.
Frankie Avalon - too pop, not a threat
Fabian - too pop, not a threat
Chuck Berry - not white
Little Richard - not white
Roy Orbison - not good looking or particularly young.
Johnny Cash - not rock and roller
The Beatles - not popular in America during 50s


So, was the Colonel behind this or what?

--Eric
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:19:22 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


Gary, have you ever considered the possibility that the aliens
have replaced you with a clone of yourself?


--                    
INTERNET:  jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
UUCP:   ...!nosc!ryptyde!netlink!jim
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 435-6181
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: gregory j farrar <gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: AIDS
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:20:59 GMT

	Over the last several years I've heard from different
places of the idea that the US government is responsible
for the AIDS epidemic. They supposedly started it to elimanate
( insert your favorite minority here ).
	Does anyone have any real articles or information concerning
this line of thinking. If so, please email the info to me.

gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Thanks,
    greg
From: dild@exmus.fabersham.com (Jonny Handsome)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: B-CPU Mail Path
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:27:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hardy.9204081827.AA29854
Organization: Fabersham Nexus

>So, if you want to bounce Ralphie's articles back at him (not that I recommend>it, no, never! :-)), don't use the "Reply" feature of your news reader - it
>won't work.  Instead, mail the words of wisdom to:

'Twould be naughty to send him unsolicited 'opinions'.

>       agora.rain.com!b-cpu!ralphw        or
>       b-cpu!ralphw@agora.rain.com        or
>       b-cpu!maynard@agora.rain.com

But...but...

        % ping agora.rain.com
        ping: unknown host agora.rain.com

Ralpharella, what is your internet number? You didn't pluck your name
out of the server did you???
*************
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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.misc,misc.headline
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:03:46 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

>In article <gate.60TyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP# ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>#
>#From _The Daily Northwestern_
>#(Northwestern University's newspaper),
>#Thursday, April 4, 1991:
>#
>#
>#              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?
>#

I can't believe this fucking asshole Winston.

All of you in netland saw where Shitbrain agreed that freedom of
speech does not extend to white supremist, racist, etc., items,
so what does this dickhead do-  he follows up his abhorence of
such neo-Nazi anti-Semitic postings with his neo-Nazi anti-Semitic
postings!

Even in Israeli/Arab arguments on this net, about the worst that
was ever said was each one accusing the other's relatives of
murdering or displacing his or her own relatives.  A close
second were facts, although disputed, about whether the Palestinian
Arabs are in fact a unique national group and whether Jews
are a distinct national or ethnic group.   It never degenerated
into the kind of shit that the neo-Nazi skinheads on the
Braindead CPU post (i.e., we may dispute what happened at
Deir Yassin in 1948 or Hebron in 1929, but we don't dispute
that something happened in both places).
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: hypes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:23:38 GMT
Subject: Re: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

 I believe I read a blurb somewhere - don't know where, don't know when -
 quoting Woodward as directly saying that Deep Throat was a composite of
 several people.

 That doesn't mean it's so; just that Woodward was quoted as saying
 that...

 - Gary Hypes -
From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: INVASION!!!
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 03:30:00 -0500

 > 'public warnings'.  You have already showed the classic signs of
 > exploitism and exhibitions of false mental illness (though I am sure there
 > are plenty here who would debate that your are indeed genuinely ill).

 GS> Think  about it...I risked my LIFE to get my message out to
 GS> people...I could  easily have been shot dead by some crazy gun-happy
 GS> cop in the studio...But  I planned it out too carefully for that

Sigh...one could go round and round with you for the fun of it.
Lord knows...with your 'cloned girlfriend' theories and such...there is a
wealth of comedic material to choose from.

But there was another who sent netmail wisely stating that one shouldn't
"rattle the inmate's cell" or some such suggestion...and I will stick to
it.  He is obviously stating that you are too far gone to reason with.

Just stay away from our hero Davie Horowitz and all will be fine.  We've got
to keep on top of those dangerous three-wheeler motorbikes and the
world-wide conspiracy to sell more crash helmets!    :)

   
... In case of phaser attack, follow these instructions ...
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re:  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:24:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C1D8A6.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

A little knowledge is, indeed, a dangerous thing. By selectively looking at a
handful of media owners and a smaller sampler of stories the author tries
to establish a Jewish conspiracy. Never mind that the NYT carried more `
sympathetic Intifada stories than perhaps any other large paper, or that
CBS news bought the Temple Mount story lock, stock and barrel. Facts only
confuse the matter.
 
But why stop there? What about the failed 1950s and 60s conspiracy by
Italians to take over major league baseball? The domination of the auto
industry by midwestern Protestants? The insidious Mexican attempt to
corrupt American food? Did you know *salsa* outsold ketchup last year?
Hah. Didn't think you did! Want more? Send $10,000 for my special
newletter, "Paranoid Alert!". I'll be happy you did.
 
           --michael edelman
             midwest home for retired conspiracy buffs
From: harrison@west.darkside.com (Harrison Page)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Disneyland Conspiracies: Serial Killers and Club 33 (?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:40:53 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

All this talk about "Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS" is making me sleepy.

There are two things I'm particularly curious about today. 

DC Comics publishes a wonderful book called _Sandman_, written by Neil 
Gaiman.  One particular storyline involved a convention of serial 
killers named "Fun Land".  He talks about ".. a great place.  Like, 
thousands of people.  And there are always beautiful little children, 
wandering off on there own, getting lost.  Always pleased to see somebody 
friendly.  And quiet places to take them to, even in the middle of 
crowds, where no one will disturb you until you're finished.  And what's 
great is, the people who run the place always hush it up.  They don't 
want anyone to know that I'm there either.  They don't want people to 
stop going."

Apoligies to those with weak constitutions.  A well-written collection of 
annotations written and distributed through rec.arts.comics by Greg 
Morrow suggests that "Fun Land" is talking about Disneyland or 
DisneyWorld - and that there is a popular conspiracy around this.

I don't think I've seen this covered in either Straight Dope or Big 
Secrets.  Anybody care to expand on this?

The second thing I've been interested in has to do with "behind the 
scenes at Disneyland".  I'd love to work security there, someday, as long 
as I don't have to dress up as a funny animal or a keystone cop.  Big 
Secrets talks about Club 33, a private club that Walt Disney had built 
over the Blue Bayou restaurant.  I stood in the foyer, but was asked to 
leave. 

sigh.

  ..Harrison Page (harrison@darkside.com, harrison@adobe.com)
"..and the other thing I love, if you can't find any children to play 
with, you can always go on one of the rides."

harrison@darkside.com  |  don't
+1 415 962 3957        |  look
P.O. Box 4436 94040    |  down
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: THE HOAXER PROJECT, Ralph spews out 2842 lines of garbage!
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:37:01 GMT


2842 lines????!!!!!

You know "Ralph", you're a *real asshole*. Posting 150k+ of
garbage over an international network is a crime. Why don't you
just upload your garbage to an ftp site which will hold it (or
maybe even set one up at B-CPU), but this posting of 2842 lines
of useless drivel just clogs up the network. Even if it was
from a respectable point of view I would be equally appalled at
the lack of tact of the poster.

Ralph, you and the rest of your clones have no repect for anything
do you? You are a real asshole. Go to hell and die there.

-Garrett
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Monster Raving Loony Party
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:26:45 GMT
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Gary Hypes writes:
>The Monster Raving Looney Party has been around for decades, and it's
>delightful. One of their platforms a few years back was that, if
>elected, they would plant all accountants in cement and use them as
>highway dividers.
>
>We do have our own versions here in the U.S. -- the Green Party, and the
>Libertarian Party. They are every bit as looney; unfortunately, they are
>nowhere near as funny, and they take themselves altogether seriously.
>How sad.

heh.

I just found out a few days ago Norway has a "Fatherland Party", and
you'll never guess what their platform is.  Fortunately, they have i
think something like six members, the collective memory of Norwegians
not being quite that short.  Personally, however, i would like to
plant _them_ in cement and use them as highway dividers.  Too bad
there are laws against that kind of thing...


-Cindy Kandolf 
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

(My newsreader is conspiring against me.  If the address in the header
differs from the address in the signature, use the address in the signature.)
From: ajs9462@rigel.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Selective service ID
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:11:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In a previous article, Bill Gunshannon stated that he held many a selective
service card and not one of them had a photograph on it. In fact, Oswald not
only carried the ID card for A. J. Hidell, but also carried one in his own
name. The card that Oswald had with his own name on it did not have a picture
(see page 573 of the WC report). However, the card he carried with the name
Alek James Hidell DID have a picture on it.

Why would Oswald carry an obviously fake ID card? Well, maybe he felt that
some people wouldn't know the difference and he could use it as a means of
identification. As to why fake this ID card, well, Oswald had his own card on
which to base the fake card, whereas he might not have had a driver's license.
I recall in "The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald" that Ruth Paine claimed to have
attempted to teach Oswald to drive.

Tony Simon
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