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From: ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christopher.arnone)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:22:49 GMT
Summary: I guess you don't speak to your passenger either....

> >whatever model you finally decide on, PLEASE make sure its a model that
> >doesn't require the use of hands to use - 
> 
> in my opinion, phone conversations risk devoting too much attention from
> the task of driving, even with hands-free operation.  i wouldn't mind
> having a car phone for emergencies and/or occasional convenience, but i
> wouldn't use it while moving.  encourage responsible use!

	I take it you have never been in a car and been speaking to your
passenger while driving?  It the exact same thing as speaking into your sun
visor where your hands free mike is mounted.  Anyone who can't drive a car
with one hand on the wheel and the other hand operating a radio or stick
shift or CB radio or holding a cellular probably shouldn't be on the road 
to begin with.  Bad drivers are bad drivers even if they had three hands.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: The Amazing Cut Away Saturn
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:07:03 GMT

In article <1he5s6INNepq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:

>But in the Saturn you get into the guts of the door from the OUTSIDE of
>the car.  When you unbolt and remove that plastic door skin, you have
>immediate and easy access to the entire inner workings of the door - a
>really nice piece of engineering.

Does this scare anyone else but me? I'd hate to think some jackoff with a
T-40 driver can get into my car....

	-Kenny

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Integra handles like pig on skates - what tires to get?
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:14:39 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1992Dec31.210412.14100@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister) writes:
>>
>My better half has a '90 Integra and almost IMMEDIATELY after delivery removed
>the michelins in favor  of a BETTER handling tire, that tire of choice was
>a Yokahama A509, although these wont last nearly as long as the Michelins
>they will preform much better on wet roads.  Also the Yokahamas have a "knappy"
>tread design and you may notice a little more tire noise.
>
>
  Amen to that.  I've gotten roughly 56,000 miles on a set of
  205-60/13's on a Mazda RX-7, and the tread wear indicators have
  yet to show, so wear on the A-509's isn't that shabby.  And my
  driving style could either be described as "enthusiastic" or
  "flippin crazy".    

  They do pretty good on the rain we've had lately, surprising no
  hydroplane with such a wide tire on a light car.
From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: emblems, names and m
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 23 Dec 92  08:44:00

 bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil 
   (Ron Bense)Sez:

 > In rec.autos, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
 >>acura's symbol is a stylized A that resembles a pair of calipers,
 >>and it first appeared on the 1991 acuras.  i guess acura decided
 >>to jump on the symbol bandwagon.
 
 >>what does it represent?  calipers, of course.

 > How about a squashed 'H' for Honda? (After all, in other markets
 > besides the US one, Acuras are sold under the Honda badge.)

   Has anyone noticed that Acura's stylisied 'A' is just the 
Honda squashed 'H' upside down?



... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car bras
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:59:34 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology


Of all the posts on this subject i have yet to see any mention
of the Lexan automotive nose covers.  Has anyone else other than
me seen these.  It is a plastic/lexan translucent bra which is molded
in the shape of the front of a specific car. I have seen these on 
Mustangs, Camaro's and on Porsche's.  These bra's are somehow
suspended above the body of the car, although, i am sure that there
must be several contact points.  They're probably expensive though.



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            that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toppers for F150
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:21:14 CST, <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> wrote:

>My father has a Leer topper for his truck and structurally it has been great.
>The paint, however, has oxidized about three years ago and now the once blue
>topper looks like it's been driven through a ton of salt.  Like I said, the
>topper is very durable and looks good but be wary of the finish.

While looking for toppers in 1986, I was told that most non-white fiberglass
toppers were starting to be made with colored gel-coat, while older ones
had been painted.  I've seen any number of the gel-coated ones fade, but
I haven't seen much trouble with the painted ones.

This Summer I was again shopping for toppers.  The Leer dealer claimed that
they now give you your choice of paint vs gel-coat.  The paint costs a little
extra, but it's probably worth it.

Of course, I prefer a white topper.  I carry people back there sometimes,
and colored toppers are much harder to keep cool.  With sliding windows
and a boot, I can keep the bed fairly comfortable by pointing a couple
of air conditioner vents back through the window as long as the truck
is moving a bit.


--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Subject: Re: ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS WITH 1992 ACCORD EX-R
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:49:37 GMT

In article <C01yL3.EMt@ecf.toronto.edu> yanr@ecf.toronto.edu (YAN RAYMOND TZE-HENG) writes:
>Hello netters,
>    As a response to a posted article, I frequently have the experience of
>getting shocked almost every time when I get out of my car. Personally I
>believe that it's a problem with the electrical system. I have my car checked
>up in a dealer but the explanation I got was normal 'static charge'. 
>    Anyone also have this problem and in particular, have it solved, please
>let me know. Any help and information will be appreciated.
>							 Raymond 
>
>
>-- 
>
>Internet :  yanr@ecf.toronto.edu          yanr@ugsparc0.eecg.toronto.edu


This seems to be a common problem with the new Accords, although I own a '92
Accord EX (the US equivalent of the EX-R) and have never experienced this.

I'm open to any suggestions anyone has (JUST IN CASE).

Jeff

jmh@turing.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: Review 92-93 grand-am
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:55:56 GMT

mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:

>The saturn was ok but the famous noise and poor crash tests scared us away.
>We went to several dealers and almost bought because of the excellent sales
>people alone. To bad they don't have a safer car to sell.

Once and for all, the Saturn does very well in crash tests, and is
one of the safer cars on the road.
 
The crahs tests that were done for the Saturn were the first tests
with the new crash test dummies.  I think they are called the type 3.
The results of these crash tests were used to compare the Saturn with  
crash test data from cars which were tested in previous years with 
the type 2 dummy.

The type 2 dummy reads lower on head and chest injuries than the type 3 dummy.

When the Saturn was re-tested with the type 2, it did very well.


--
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The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mercury Villager
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:29:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)

In article <1h3k11INN522@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>...
>  Now we don't need to be told that
>knives and hoses do not make a good combination, but who is to blame here?
>I think that the boxes should have been labeled with some sort of warning
>label about how they should be opened.  

Many things in boxes can be damaged if opened carelessly with a knife.
Maybe we need to be teaching people to use "common sense" (as if it
were really common) instead of thinking that warning labels are the
way to go. I have seen the results of knife happy people at the store
and have learned to check what I buy.

Do you really think that someone opening boxes are going to read all the
warning labels? If the normal boxes were replaced with a box that does
not need a knife to open it you would stand a better chance.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

NRA Life Member/Certified Instructor	Sierra Club I-rated Leader
		Pro-freedom		Pro-choice

e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Mike.Oniffrey@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Oniffrey)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Summary: Take Dah BUS!
Keywords: Stupidity on Parade @ 65 mph
Organization: Yoo Enn See - Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:26:19 GMT

In article <Carr-C10973-301292093658@145.1.92.116>
Carr-C10973@email.comm.mot.com (Eric Carr) writes:

>There should be a law against these idiots who insist on putting on makeup
>while driving.  I can't believe that these people feel they can drive a car
>while looking at themselves in the rearview mirror and concentrate on
>putting all this stuff on their face while negotiating rush hour traffic! 
>(and they wonder why people are honking their horns and flipping them off).

Oooooooh!  Oooooooh!  Yer commentary is irresistible...Don't forget
drivers who pretend to drive, but really:

shave
take notes
read the mail (including opening envelopes)
read the paper (ok ok - it's folded, so as not to obscure vision - sheesh)
read a goddamn BOOK
steer with their feet, because they're reclined an' comfortable...

...Makes me wanna go out, buy a "49 Chevy business coupe and weld a BEEG
cow-catcher to the front bumper...

Seriously, if I have a fellow passenger videotape all this, get a shot of
the driver's face and license tag, then send the tape to the cops, what
happens?


Mike
"I've got yer romance novel (begin runoffroad maneuver) RIGHT HERE!
Oniffrey
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From: hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car bras
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:26:57 GMT
Organization: The Blue House

troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) says:
lots o' stuff deleted....

>There is a radar absorbing bra that is available which will reduce the
>effective range of traffic radar by about 1/3.


Hahahaha! I think not.  This is a fallacy.  It's also amazing how
myths like this keep cropping up on rec.autos.

Merry Christmas all!

Hugo
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:21:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.153633.6384@dg-rtp.dg.com> goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
>In article <92358.114600SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>> In the UK, use of a car phone while driving is illegal. The law may
>> be an ass, but in this case it's a sensible one!
>
>At first glance, this would appear obvious.  However a while ago I
>recall reading a newspaper story describing a recent study (done by
>the US DOT, or some such federal agency, I believe) on the use of
>car phones in the US.  The people running the study were surprised
>to discover no statistically significant difference between the
>accident rates of drivers using phones and those not using them.
>

your article's statistics may or may not be right, and you may be a
good-to-excellent driver who can anticipate a problem and/or
recognize one immediately and respond to it (even if your passenger
doesn't know whats happening till after the fact) BUT there are _so-o-o_
many people out there (that shouldn't be driving cars in the first place)
that have phones clamped to their ears that are creating a nuisance,
especially during rush hour time-frames - I beg to differ with your
article, and stand by my feeling that if someone insists on having a
car phone, they should either use it only when parked by the side of
the road or have a hands-free one


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From: bsingh@cad619.intel.com (Balraj Singh )
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Nissan Pathfinder - Performance info wanted
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:09:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Design Technology, INTeL Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

Hi,

I am thinking of getting a 93 Pathfinder, 4x2/X6-V6/Manual with the power
package.  Could someone with such a vehicle please post some information 
on your experience with it, specifically what kind of gas mileage does it
really give.

If there has been a discussion on this recently please let me know 
approximately when, and also where this group is archived.

Many thanks,

 - Balraj


Balraj Singh   bsingh@scdt.intel.com   (408) 765-4630
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus LS400 Prices in NY/NJ/CT area
From: ashley@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Ashley Gorakhpurwalla)
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:24:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Southwest Research Institute
Keywords: LS400

In article <cfEPfaS00YUnA1euBZ@andrew.cmu.edu> ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jinmo Ahn) writes:
>
>I'll be purchasing a LS400 before the end of the month.
>
[experiences and questions deleted]
>
>Thanks

Hey, aren't you the fellow who was looking into purchasing a "fast
japanese sports cars?" (i.e. 300ZXTT/RX-7/3000VR-4)  Why the change of
heart?

Just curious,
ash

ashley@trident.datasys.swri.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
From: lcarr@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Lisa Carr)
Subject: summary and new approach
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:37:31 GMT


   Hi.  

       It's me again, the college student looking for a nice used
car.  So far I have asked about VW's and MERKUR's and the responses
have been very varied:

As for the VW's everybody seems to feel they are good reliable
cars, but it seems that they have kinks that must be worked out.
After the kinks are taken care of though the general consensus seems
to be you can't get a better car.

As for the MERKUR I've had comments from it's a boutique car that
I couldn't afford to fix, to it's the perfect car for what I want, (the
second remark came from someone who had graduated from my school and
lived in the area.)  A transmission mechanic told me the car was great.
Said the automatics had problems but the manuals were really good.
He said they were nice reliable cars, with the exception of the
defect in the automatics.  Then he said, but don't get a turbo because
if the turbo fails you're in for $$$$ to get it replaced. *sigh*

I got one big list that summerized *EVERYTHING* to look for when testing
a car, however I haven't had the time to format it so that I can use it.

I'd like to thank everyone for the help and information they have given
me so far. Also I'd like to rephrase my question in the hopes
that I can narrow in on a car *soon*...(Just had the clutch cable
in my present car replaced and the mechanic said the clutch is going
to need to be replacd soon and I'm going to have major engine problems)
Needless to say, I don't want to put anymore money in this car so time
is of the essence in finding another car.  

So, I was thinking maybe if I told you what I wanted in a car, maybe 
you could suggest the best type of car to fit the bill...(I seem to 
be getting told that my choices aren't ggod choices..)
I want a nice reliable car that's inexpensive, but not necessarily
cheap.  As far as maintenance goes, I don't mind tinkering but I 
don't have the time or the place to do major maintenance myself.
As far as cost goes, I'd rather have a car that cost me $$ every
once and awhile for repairs, instead of one that was costing me $
constantly.   
I would like to have a mid-size to compact car, no two seaters please.
Preferably 5spd, (HB would be wonderful)  and kinda sporty.  I will 
admit I am partial to imports..*please no flames*  they just seem 
to make the best cars in this range...however if you do suggest an
American car I will take it into consideration, but I do admit 
I will be biased towards the imports.

This is definately long enough.... I will be looking forward to your
replies and I plan on test driving some cars when I go home for the 
for the holidays and I will let you know how that went when I return.

Again thanx for *EVERYTHING* 

HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAY!!!!!

-lisa

*sig in the works.....

D
D
holidays.. I will let you know how that goes when I return
don't have the time to do major maintenance my self
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: toyota trucks
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 24 Dec 1992 02:39:55 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.152

Q.  What can tow five tons, gets 20+ mpg, sounds like a recording
of an antiaircraft cannon played through the Grateful Dead's 
sound system, and goes around and around forever?

A.  Our opinionated maximalist friend Walt Koziarz trying to find 
a downtown parking space in his (all together now) CUMMINS 
TURBO DIESEL DODGE!  :)  

Seriously, I do admire these beasts, but... something about "different
horses for different courses" comes to mind.  Not everybody's load
consists of pea gravel up to the top of the bed, and not everybody who
tows needs to pull a freight train.

That having been said... yes, if you're in the market for a truck, drive
a Dodge Dakota (and mebbe the new Ford Ranger) as well as the new 
"full-size" Toyota.  

Joe, who likes trucks of all sizes, but wouldn't want to live with one 
that was off *either* end of his range of needs.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mitchell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dennis Mitchell)
Subject: Remote door/trunk unlock/lock control?
Keywords: Saturn Remote Lock Door Trunk
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:20:38 GMT

Does anyone know of a reliable remote unlocking system that can be installed
by either a dealer or owner in a Saturn SL-1 with power locks?

I'd like to be able to remotely unlock the doors (and ideally, the trunk as 
well) as I walk up to the car.  I know that this capability can be added
to many alarm systems, but I don't _really_ want an alarm (they annoy me, and
I'd rather not annoy others).  

I would consider an alarm system with this capacity if the price was 
reasonable.

 Dennis Mitchell
From: Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: cleaning underside (removing dirt & paint)
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 11:05:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

What is the best method of cleaning the underside of a car?  I want to remove
all dirt, grease, and paint and take it down to the bare metal.

Currently, I am using a sandblaster, but my little 5HP air compressor is
taking about 2 hours to clean the underside of a fender.  At that rate, it
would take me 30+ hours to get the entire unside of the car to the metal --
sounds pretty exciting, eh?

I've looked into getting it steam cleaned so it will come down to the 
undercoating, but it is a thick buildup of dirt and grease (steam cleaner
says they cant remove grease) -- in most areas, about 1/2 inch thick  (old
car: 25 years)
I've tried using an electric wire brush and that has helped, but the brush
usually clogs in seconds and I end up spending most of my time cleaning.

As you can probably tell --- not a very enjoyable task (maybe thats why I
never see anybody do it [??])

I'm not in a rush to get it done, but I was hoping to have the car restored
in 2-3 months.  I've done almost everything else (suspension, engine, tranny,
topside primed for paint, even a nice looking engine compartment) -- but the
underside is proving to be a challenge -- Do I save the best for last?
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 10:46:24 CET
From: <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10

Unless you are in the market for a used car, there is no point in worrying
about the old Audi 100 because the new ones are fabulous, safe and quick.
Mind you I owned an '87 Audi 100 which I crashed on an Autobahn here in
Germany at 80 mph (I aquaplaned in those long puddles we get here caused
by trucks continually using the inside lane). The result was a destroyed
front and back end to the car but the passenger compartment was not
intruded upon at all. The old style Audis were built very well and maybe
even saved my life...

I think the US gives Audi a bad press (oh by the way although I live in
Germany I am English) - it reminds me of the furore a few years ago when
one of your TV programmes 'discovered' that Audi 100s had a tendency to
surge backwards all of a sudden 'for no reason'. Apparently the problem
was traced to the fact that the foot pedals in the Audi were smaller than
standard US feet were used to, and people were stamping on the accelerator
rather than the brake. That 'publicity' did Audi a lot of harm in the US
when it was really a user problem (having big feet). I do not remember
hearing any similar stories in Europe (perhaps it's a matter of media
power?).

Finally, I would like to point out that VAG (the Volkswagen-Audi-Group)
are not some amateur organisation that pumps out dodgy cars. They are also
responsible for Porsche 944s and will probably take over the 911 production
as well (if the German press is to be believed)...

I don't believe you can damn a manufacturer for producing a dodgy car (do
you remember the Pinto?)

Simon
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:24:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA