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From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color (Turbo)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:50:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.171555.15279@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.004547.8978@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M  
> Carling) writes:
> > 
> > The Turbo cube board started shipping nearly two weeks ago.
> 
> Say what?
> 
> Has NeXT bothered to announce this officially?  We sure didn't
> hear.  Of course, sometimes it seems like we're the last to know
> anything around here ;-)

The press release went out on Monday. Send me email if you would like a  
copy via NeXTmail.
 
> What about pricing info for both new systems and upgrades?

The new systems cost the same as the old ones in the same configurations.  
I am not sure, but I assume that is true of the upgrade board also.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: How do I make shell prompt show working directory?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 12:06:05 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.072725.6379@nextdoor.com>
john@nextdoor.com (John McCracken) writes:

>I use /bin/csh as the default shell, and here's what I have
>in my .login file:

>This yields a prompt like:

>	nextdoor [/john/Library]-3% 

>where "nextdoor" is the host, "/john/Library" is the current
>working directory, and "3" is the command number.

Bearing in mind that this prompt business is (periodically)
a topic more appropriate to comp.unix.questions, here's
another variant:

	alias cd 'cd \!*; doprompt'
	alias doprompt 'set prompt="[`hostname`:`whoami`]`dirs|sed -e
'\''s/ //'\'' -e 's.~..' -e 's./..'`[\\!] "'

where the doprompt alias is all one line and .cshrc ends with
a doprompt command.  A sample result is:

	[yak:anderson]Network/Wiscnet/Statistics/Data/RawData[43] 

Where I really am at this point is:

	/Users/anderson/Network/Wiscnet/Statistics/Data/RawData

One of these days I'll get around to refining this a little, so
as to shorten the prompt by replacing the middle of the path
with an ellipsis ...   like this:

	[yak:anderson]Network/.../RawData[43] 

A further improvement would be to show the front end of the
path when I'm not in my home directory:

	[yak:anderson]/NextApps/Installer.app[49]

rather than

	[yak:anderson]NextApps/Installer.app[49]

Having both the nostname and the login name is useful to me
because (being a network person), I'm usually on three or
four machines simultaneously (they have similar prompt
settings [just sort-of in the case of the VMS critters]),
and I'm sometimes also running as some other user (notably
root).  root's .cshrc adds the usual # in the prompt string
as an *extra* reminder (I'm not bright, though I am
persistent, so I can use more than one reminder :-).

Playing with these things can be a *major* antiproductivity
tool, though nothing I've run into beats Fractint in that
regard.

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: magnus@Kimura.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg)
Subject: Re: Mathematica Problems
Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.172644.28387@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, dan@ennex3.eng.utsa.edu (Dan Shelton) writes:

|> With the Mathematica 2.0 you have to include the path to the Mathematica  
|> kernel in your .cshrc file.  e.g. if Mathematica is in /LocalApps, path is  
|> /LocalApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel.  If you don't include the path, the  
|> cursor will continue to spin.
|> 
|> Dan

Not true. You must have Mathematica incorrectly installed.
-- 




			Magnus Nordborg
			Department of Biological Sciences
			Stanford University
			Stanford, CA 94301-5020
			USA
			(415) 723-4952
			magnus@Kimura.Stanford.EDU
From: coco@ihcoco.att.com (Felix A. Lugo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:29:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, I.L.

In article <275@moene.UUCP> toon@moene.uucp (Toon Moene) writes:
| In article <1992Apr11.020819.157@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@ihcoco.att.com  
| (Felix A. Lugo) writes:
| >      AT&T NeXT User Group			nug@ihcoco.att.com
| 
|        ^^^^ It has been written before: NOTE WHOM WE'RE PAYING TO
| 	    FOR THESE RTF/PICTURE/SOUNDS POSTS.
| >
| 
| Sorry, Felix, but you're not unbiased in this respect.
| 
| --
| Toon Moene (toon@moene.uucp)
| Kantershof 269, 1104 GN  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
| Tel.: + 31 20 6982029; Fax: + 31 20 6003411
| No Disclaimers; a NeXT at home protects against this occupational hazard.

	Cheap shot, Toon; and you ARE judging me wrong (especially since you
	don't know anything about me)!

---

===========================================================================
Felix A. Lugo

E-Mail: (NeXTmail preferred)			Felix_A_Lugo@ATT.COM
						coco@ihcoco.att.com
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     HOME NeXTcube				home@ihcoco.att.com
===========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mikhe@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Mike Henry)
Subject: Re: SUPRA 9600 baud
Keywords: connecting these things
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.234408.13960@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <Apr.11.19.08.10.1992.14151@remus.rutgers.edu>
>trott@remus.rutgers.edu (Rich Trott) writes:
>
>>Do these modems work right out of the box, or do you need to make one
>>of the funky cables described in the zs man page?
>
>think it was $9.50.

I had a hard time finding a cable I could trust so, yes, I made one myself for
my SupraFAX. I just hooked it up and it ran great the first time. However, tip
left more than a little to be desired, but SLIP ran great the first time.
Cost $5<, but you need a steady hand soldering the MiniDIN-8. B^)

>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin

		-Mike
-- 
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From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Revealed.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:51:32 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr14.221841.3556@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
McDunnough) writes:
> and to a lessor extent Mac's( Apple has realized that marketshare is  
very
> important although they may very well be too late).
[...]
> NeXT obviously doesn't agree, I wish them well. I hope they see the  
light 
> though because they risk becoming another Amiga.


I think you have hit on something significant here.

NeXT will never be the PC of the future. That is obvious.

I would be delighted if they became another Amiga - Amiga just sold their  
millionth machine, there is a good software base, and they are successful.  

Your disparaging coments about Apple further reveal the attitude - you  
think that it might be too late for the Mac, but I say that the Mac was a  
ripping, roaring success, and I would be elated if the NeXT even came  
close. It might yet. 

Your feelings about what "successful" and "not successful" mean are really  
a long way away from what I think of in relation to NeXT.

-Anthony

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: davis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert E Davis)
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.052308.16112@Csli.Stanford.EDU> jwishnie@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Wishnie) writes:
>In article <3533@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
>> Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  
>> I think a better solution
>> is to put app related files in
>> 
>> ~/Library/Appname/crud_files
>
>Even better, why not keep them in the .app directory? That way they travel  
>with the Application and never have to be seen at all. But, you ask, what  
>about multiple users defaults, scores, and so on...
>
>I'd much rather have:
>	CoolApp.app/.jwishnie
>	CoolApp.app/.bfink
>	CoolApp.app/.escissorhands 

	Yeah, but that requires a user to have write access to the
contents of the file package, which isn't really practical.  I like
Sam's idea.
	Another solution to consider is something that Right Brain
used to do (I use the past tense because I'm not sure if their latest
mini-apps use this method -- maybe they do).  They put all the stuff
in a .RightBrain folder in your home directory, kind of like the .NeXT
directory.  This might be even better than the Library/Appname idea
because it fits with the idea that no user should need to know
"technical" details.  Only the Unix Experts see the dot directories
anyway.  Why would a non-Expert want to see a bunch of garbage like
Tetris scores that you can't even read cluttering up your Library?


Robert
-- 
| Robert Davis
| davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu                                NeXT Mail accepted
| "Look up, Hannah.  Look up." 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca  (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why you should buy a NeXT instead of an automobile
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:45:22 GMT

Todd M. Swan writes
> In article <1992Apr6.015956.1071@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)  
> writes:
> > Top 10 reasons why you should buy a NeXT instead of an automobile
> > 
> >  6. Exhaust isn't fatal
> > 
> 
> If you consider radiation to be "exhaust" then this could be debateable...  
:-)
> 
Come now.  The two aren't in the same league.  Despite all the studies (most of  
them badly flawed) the connection between VLF EMF from a terminal and health  
hazards is somewhere between zero and very small.  Even if you take the worst  
case studies as gospel, the use/loss ration (# of hours of terminal use divided  
by the expected loss of lifespan) is enormous.  Tens of thousands, I bet.

Now if you want to argue about the fields underneath high tension powerlines...

sgb
From: iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Clifford T. Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Macintosh Emulator DEMO available via anonymous ftp
Keywords: Mac, ARDI, Executor
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:25:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: unmvax.1992Apr6.052523.13564
Organization: ARDI

Dear Folks,

     NeXT is putting together a NeXT demoware CD-ROM.  The deadline for
submission is April 22.  We took time off from our busy V1.2 development
schedule to create a freely redistributable DEMO version of Executor.
You can pick it up via anonymous ftp on "unmvax.cs.unm.edu" in
/usr/spool/ftp/pub/ardi/DEMO/Executor-DEMO.tar.

     The .tar file will expand into a .pkg file which must be installed
when you're logged in as root.  I realize that this will make many of
you uncomfortable, but our code needs kernel modifications to "dispatch
A-line traps quickly."  The source to the kernel mods is provided, but
the source to Executor-DEMO isn't (sorry).

     If you're even marginally interested in Macintosh compatibility
(perhaps just to show to your colleagues who are still using Macs), you
should take a look at what we have.  The directory that Executor-DEMO.tar
is in is "sticky", so for someone other than me to put a malicious
program in there would require that the person break into unvmvax.cs.unm.edu
and gain root access.  I suspect that someone that determined could do
some pretty evil things by messing up a non-set-uid root program on
one of the other servers, but you pays your money (or don't in this case)
and you takes your chances.

     I don't know when the demo CD-ROM will be out, but if you're real
worried about the sanctity of Executor-DEMO.tar, you could wait until
then.  Other possibilities would be for you to purcahse a real copy of
Executor-MSW (it's only $80.00), or I guess to send us a self-addressed
blank disk and we'll send it back to you with Executor-DEMO on it.

     We can't take too much time away from V1.2 develpment, but if you
come up with some awesome comments between now and April 22, we may be
able to work them into the demo.

     The demo has a few features in it that our current production
version of Executor (Executor-MSW V1.1.1) doesn't have in it.  Don't worry
the extra fluff that's in the demo version (and more) will be in V1.2 which
will automatically be sent to anyone who has purchased any of the Executor
versions.

     BTW, the DEMO consists of Executor-MSW with several of the A-line traps
removed, but enough are there to run the three programs that are included:

		FontographerDemo	A demo version of Fontographer
		Globe			An animated globe program
		Risk			A fun game

	--Cliff[ord T. Matthews]		iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu
	Abacus R&D, Inc.			(505) 766-9115
	1650 University Blvd., NE
	Albuquerque, NM  87102

[p.s. Risk appears to be most difficult when you play to win against a
      field of Neutral (not agressive) countries and when the card value
      is a constant 5.  Don't get carried away if you have work to do]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: NeXTStation Color SIMM Slots
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:57:44 GMT

nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:

>> You can put 132 megs in it.  Why are you always so negative?

>For now, I'll stick with waiting to see your clever
>explaination about what combination of SIMMS makes 132
>MB. 

>--
>Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,

I'm pretty sure that the maximum is actually 128 MB.  I'm not sure
what sized SIMMS that is using, but I'd speculate that it's 16 MB.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
Subject: Re: Image Processing for NeXT ???????
Reply-To: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:38:56 GMT

In article <1906@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John  
Michopoulos) writes:
> 
> Does anybody know af any Image Processing package that would run under 
> NeXTstep or even under co-Xist, and its out there on the net ??? 
> Anything special for NeXTDimension ????
> 
> Anything in particular for tiffs ???
> --john

	Well, this proboably won't help, but I'll tell ya anyway...
	There is an image processing course taught here at Rose-Hulman  
which uses the NeXT. All of the image processing is done using  
Mathematica. What I understand (from what I have seen, and from talking to  
the professor that teaches it) is that tiff data is imported into  
Mathematica, and the processing is done using the the mathematical prowess  
of Mathematica. The images are displayed by contour plotting the  
information. This is all done on Monochrome '040 stations.

--
David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

"Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming  
back!" 
- Mad At The World.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Organization: CYANTIC Systems
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.190936.29678@cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.180629.16018@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
>(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>> In article <3526@rosie.NeXT.COM> Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) writes:
>> 
>> > As has been said before in this newsgroup, if you look at
>> > all the stuff that   NeXT sells to EVERY NeXTStep user, a
>> > comparible package for ANY other computer   would run well
>> > over $5,000.  I'm of the impression that the price we've
>> > set is   extremely cheap for what you get. 
>> 
>> While philosophically true, the above doesn't count for beans
>> toward the success of NeXTstep 486 if customers refuse to pay
>> the $995 asking price.

In North America, there are few 'value buyers' when it comes to computers.
NA corporations buy according to 'religion', or absolute $$$. Not to
mention all the deals made on the golf course as VP's are hard at work. At $995
NeXTstep is worth it to the end user, but try to show a business manager
this and he/she will point to their $99 Windows upgrade.  What they don't
see are support costs and the twice yearly upgrades to the all the programs
running on that DOS/Windows machine.

>Just for comparison, could someone tell us what Windows NT, Solaris, and SCO  
>Unix cost for an i486 box?  That is the relevant competition, after all.

SCO list price in Canda is about $1600 (Cdn), but it's available from many
discounter at about $1100 (Cdn).  However, that is without TCP/IP, NFS,
GUI, and many other of the goodies that are included in NeXTstep.  No value
there by comparison. I haven't seen prices for the other technology.
-- 

Mark T. Dornfeld                              Voice: (416) 234-9048
CYANTIC Systems                               Facsimile: (416) 234-0477
101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103                Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mail bug
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr16.052604.25060@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
sorcerer@leland.stanford.edu (Erik Peterson) writes:
> I am using NeXT mail release 2.0 (v62) and I keep coming across a  
serious bug.
> 
> About 20% of the time when I send a message in non-Next mail mode it  
arrives in  
> NeXT mode.
> 
> This wouldn't be any problem if I didn't have to communicate with the  
non-NeXT  
> world but I do....
> 
> Any ideas on this?

This has been happening to me as well, and I finally discovered (almost)  
what it is.

There is some peculiar key combination that, when typed, causes the  
deliver button to develop that funny triagle around it without changing  
the NeXT / non-NeXT button to NeXTmail. I don't know what the key is, but  
I have hit it accidentally several times. (Bad ergonomics!)

Fix: Check the mailbox icon on the deliver button before you send. If it  
has the triangle, press the NeXT / non-NeXT button twice, and it will go  
away.

-Anthony
From: rvs@fnbc.com (Ronald V. Simmons )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: WANTED: Used NextStation Mono 8/105
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: rvs@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA

I'm in the market for a used station at a good price.  8/105 Mono is the  
preferred configuration, but I'll listen to offers on a similarly configured  
color system.  I'm a developer, so don't bother sending in offers which are  
higher than ~$3000 since I can get a new machine for slightly more than that.   
I have all the memory and disk I need to make this a real box already, so  
unless you want to sell a larger configuration for the same price, this isn't  
the deal for you.

Thanks in advance for any offers,

Ronald V. Simmons
rvs@vnp.com
From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr10.164205.3372@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
>Not only that, but NeXTstep 486 will only run on *select*
>(ie the most expensive) 486 machines.

It will be shrink wrapped from what I hear.  But you will have to run
certain cards that have been tested for compatibility along with the
motherboard type.  This is no different than SCO, Solaris, etc.
Since there are so many cards on the market you can only hope to support
a subset of them.  Win 3.0, OS/2 has certain problems with compatibility
also.

Remember when OS/2 was first introduced it had to be bought with a machine
that could run it.  Every 386 could not.
>
>How is NeXT supposed to explain that NeXTstep can only
>display mono with that Super VGA card in your 486 that
>OS/2 and Windows can use for cheerful color?

Because what they consider cheerful color is cheerfully slow.  VGA and
SVGA are mapped into 256k of RAM and bank switched not directly accessed,
this hardly a configuration for a  16 bit screen with 1 million pixels.
To do decent color you need some sort of memory mapped
graphics system, ie a frame buffer.  The Dell - JAWS system and the
Compaq - Custom SVGA card are both memory mapped.

>
>Wouldn't it be great if NeXT either added enough RAM/HD to
>the 5K/3.5K (list/edu) price, or lowered the price
>altogether? Instead of purchasing a $5K NeXTstation,
>then adding $450 of RAM (removing 4 MB), then adding a $1K
>external HD, wouldn't it be great if 16 MB RAM and 400 MB of
>disk was included!? 
>

The company is trying to make a little money.  The should price extras
competitively but I don't think they can lower prices and still turn a
decent profit.

--
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