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From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Olympus OM-1n
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:31:15 GMT

For Sale:

	Olympus OM-1n body.............. $140
	Olympus 28mm f3.5 lens.......... $ 50

The OM-1n body is fitted with shoe 4 (interchangable hotshoe) and features
mirror lockup, self timer, fully manual shutter (speeds from 1 to 1000 + B)
and TTL meter (center the needle for accurate exposure).

The body and lens are both in top shape with very few signs of wear on them.

Buyer pays any shipping costs.
Offers on both together favored (read that to mean: "I'm more willing to
bargain if they go as a set")

mike


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Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale
From: markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:41:05 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

news@fnx.uucp (News Administrator) writes:
: Ok, fine.  Based on your argument then, I will send up a 'trial balloon'
: on Monday, barring some serious discussion on what I see as a serious
: issue.  I have sent mail to kimbro regarding this issue, which has been
: ignored.  I have seen few if any complaint regarding a sysadmin taking it
: upon themselves to arbitrarily create a group with NO DISCUSSION, never
: mind no vote.

We (news adminstrators) VOTE with "our" systems active and sys files.
If a newsgroup is worthwhile, It gets added locally, and if
it's really worthless, can be obliviated and/or not forwarded.

That veto power makes a poll a courtesy, but nothing more.

: Any comments?

Yes, Who are you?  (ie. your name as opposed to News Administrator.)

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: Re: Seattle Newsgroups (was CFD: seattle.misc)
    <klg.715279663@statsci> <BtxMrt.MyK@kimbro.uucp>
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:43:11 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 1525

In article <BtxMrt.MyK@kimbro.uucp> briank@kimbro.Celestial.COM writes:
>[...]
>
>This is the charter for seattle.forsale.
>
>This newsgroup was created to list *things* that you wish to sell and
>*things* that you wish to purchase and *things* that you wish to trade.
>[...]
>-- 
>D. Brian Kimmel - home system	(206) 937-5742      Modem: (206) 937-6779

  I've thought about it for a couple of days and a seattle.foresale
  group  may not be a bad idea.  
  
  PROS: 
    I provides a local ("HA" :-) )  forum for forsale items.  At least
    the items foresale are id'ed as being from the seattle area.

  CONS:
    There is a (pnw|pdx).foresale group that carries out this function
    currently.  It is just a bigger and more widespread  ("HA"  again)
    forum  than seattle.general

    It may be difficult to get people to switch posting tactics ...


Other Thoughts:

    While I have never used it, another possibility could be
    to alias seattle.foresale to pnw.foresale.   This would 
    still provide a wide forum and not require additional 
    newsgroups.    It is definiately not the same thing however.


  Just a miniute and I'll see if Brain R. has posted the newsgroup
  dist. stats.


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 +-  Bill England,  wengland@stephsf.COM -----------------------------------+
 |   * *      H -> He +24MeV                                                |
 |  * * * ... Oooo, we're having so much fun making itty bitty suns *       |
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Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale,seattle.general
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:12:02 GMT

For all the rhetoric about this news group, it seems to be pretty
popular.  I have 62 articles in seattle.general and 48 in seattle.foresale

Bill
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Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale,seattle.general
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: Re: Seattle Newsgroups (was CFD: seattle.misc)
    <1992Sep2.194605.9323@polari>
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:35:38 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 1199

In article <1992Sep2.194605.9323@polari> bruceki@polari.online.com writes:
>[...]
>group makes sense for the seattle or washington state area we should
>do it.  The fact that folks in europe are getting the group doesn't
>(shouldn't) make any difference at all.  
>
>  Bruce  
  
    On the contrary, the users of the group are people who are 
    important!  You can't just create a group because you feel
    like without alienating your readers.  The fact that people
    in Europe/Aus/Japan WANT to read this group speaks very highly
    of the people that live in Seattle and post to seattle.*  It
    also makes the group MUCH more valuable to all who use it.

    Circulation is everything!

    Childish behaviour will cause group readers to seek other 
    groups with less noise that are more valuable to them.

     (Huff, Puff ... why do i even wast my breath :-(    )

-- 
 +-  Bill England,  wengland@stephsf.COM -----------------------------------+
 |   * *      H -> He +24MeV                                                |
 |  * * * ... Oooo, we're having so much fun making itty bitty suns *       |
 |__ * * ___________________________________________________________________| 
Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Seattle Newsgroups (was CFD: seattle.misc)
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:26:07 GMT

In article <ETHANB.92Sep7162248@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>, ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes:
>    How about the following:
>     * seattle.admin          Administravia
>       seattle.events         Announcements, notices etc.
>       seattle.forsale        Items for sale in the area
>     * seattle.general        Catchall - general postings
>       seattle.politics       Political discussions
>       seattle.talk           BBS style chat through a newsgroup
>     * seattle.test           Testing with a few scattered auto-reply sites.  
> 
> I am very strongly in favor of adding these new groups.

I am not strongly pro or con on this; the naming of all these groups seems
to be clear enough to avoid the confusion factor.

As far as the costs to other sites (outside of Seattle) carrying
seattle.general, I don't understand what the big fuss is.  The news
software can be configured to accept or reject any group, and any site
that is carrying the seattle.* hierarchy is presumably doing so
willingly and because someone there is interested in reading it.  If
they don't want to pay for news they aren't interested in, they should
stop subscribing to the seattle.* groups.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Subject: Re: Seattle Newsgroups (was CFD: seattle.misc)
To: briank@kimbro.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel at home)
Organization: U. of Washington
	<klg.715279663@statsci> <BtxMrt.MyK@kimbro.uucp>
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:22:48 GMT

   How about the following:
    * seattle.admin          Administravia
      seattle.events         Announcements, notices etc.
      seattle.forsale        Items for sale in the area
    * seattle.general        Catchall - general postings
      seattle.politics       Political discussions
      seattle.talk           BBS style chat through a newsgroup
    * seattle.test           Testing with a few scattered auto-reply sites.  

I am very strongly in favor of adding these new groups.

However, it will be hard to distinguish between politcs and talk;
perhaps we should start with just one of those groups.  Also, the uw
events group is called uw.announce; is that the more common naming
convention?
--
-- Ethan (ethanb@u.washington.edu)
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale
From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.182545.11140@stephsf.com> wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England) writes:
>   WHAT!?!  No vote even ?????
>
[some deleted]

  Think of it as a trial balloon.  We don't have to adhere to the 
network-at-large standards for local groups or groups that we don't
care about the distribution of.  

  In other words, if some guy in greenland gets upset with the lack of
votes for seattle.*, that guy in greenland is free to not carry the
offending groups.  The same is true of the network groups at large, but
there are enough people who subscribe to the voting concept that raise
a fuss about it when someone creates a group on a national heirarchy, 
but I don't think we'll have that problem here.  

  How valid is a vote in which less than 1/1000th of 1% of the possible
voters vote?  

  Bruce


Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:47:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:
: In <1992Sep14.004105.29786@ssc.wa.com> markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
: 
: >We (news adminstrators) VOTE with "our" systems active and sys files.
: >If a newsgroup is worthwhile, It gets added locally, and if
: >it's really worthless, can be obliviated and/or not forwarded.
: 
: >That veto power makes a poll a courtesy, but nothing more.
: 
: No, I have to disagree with you.  Discussion and polls in new group
: creation are critical in maintaining some semblance of order outside
: of the alt hierarchy.  Since there is no central authority in Usenet,
: the only tool we have to maintain this order is peer pressure.

As I see it, it's a disagreement between two philosphies of news
administrations, "descriptive", ie. "this is what happens" and
"prescriptive", ie. "this is how it should be".  Along with this
is inclusive/exclusive creation.  Should a group that has
a reasonable number of readers and managable volume exist, even if
its pedigree is a bit suspect?

[ Get an all/all feed from eskimo and see how much stuff exists that
isn't offically sanctioned.  ;-) ]

For creating (what should be) a local group, I think setting up some 
sort of rigid rule base, like in the big 7 hierarchies is just getting 
your knickers in a twist.   A consensus by the readership of seattle.admin  
isn't going to be drastically different the the results of a vote.

The volume of traffic doesn't seem to justify the effort.

Even voting by rmgroup (among the limited number of systems
in western Washington) wouldn't be fatal ;-) .

: I personally think Kimbro.com is way out of line.  

From my point of view, Kimbro.com wasn't the creator.  Judging from
this system's junk directory, seattle.forsale has existed for weeks or
months.   I assume a result of the last time a more rational seattle.* 
organization was discussed.

: I resent having the seattle.forsale newsgroup created, as there 
: is now another newsgroup I have to scan.  

Only if you want to buy something.  I'll be glad not to see that
traffic. 

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale
From: stretz@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Stretz)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.205757.16752@fnx.uucp> news@fnx.uucp (News Administrator) writes:

>Therefore, on Monday, I will create the following groups:
>
>seattle.forsale.cars
>seattle.forsale.homes
>seattle.forsale.computers
>seattle.forsale.airline-tickets
>seattle.forsale.sports
>seattle.forsale.tools
>seattle.forsale.misc
>seattle.forsale.kitchen-sink
>
>Any comments?

Dont forget:

seattle.forsale.garage/yard/estate

Rob :-)
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale,seattle.general
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:39:53 GMT

del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:

   No, I have to disagree with you.  Discussion and polls in new group
   creation are critical in maintaining some semblance of order outside
   of the alt hierarchy.  Since there is no central authority in Usenet,
   the only tool we have to maintain this order is peer pressure.
   

I agree, I was just waiting for someone to say it in a reasonable
fashion.
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Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:25:45 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 563

   WHAT!?!  No vote even ?????

   I really think that pnw.forsale would be the best place for
   foresale posts.

   Oh Well it probally wont hurt anything ...

   We could have at least had a vote though, thats the 
   most fun  part ... :-(


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 +-  Bill England,  wengland@stephsf.COM -----------------------------------+
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 |__ * * ___________________________________________________________________| 
Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Seattle Newsgroups (was CFD: seattle.misc)
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.183538.25389@stephsf.com> wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England) writes:
>    On the contrary, the users of the group are people who are 
>    important!  You can't just create a group because you feel
>    like without alienating your readers.  The fact that people

  Bill, what's the point of a local group?  I understand that high
circulation groups are better for selling things -- they already
exist in the form of misc.forsale, for instance.  Local groups are
MEANT TO BE LOCAL.  Of interest to local folks.  If remote people
(in aus, or wherever) want to carry our local groups, more power
to them -- but I don't think there's any value in trying to make
local decisions with non-local input.  If it turns out that
we need a group called seattle.snails.without.shells we should
create that group.  If people in austrailia really want to get
"local seattle flavor" or whatever, they can carry it.  But 
whether some guy in mcmurdo sound or chile agrees with the group or not
doesn't really enter the picture.  It isn't their call.  It's a LOCAL
group.  

  Really -- what's the purpose of a local heirarchy if not to 
serve the locals?  

Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale
From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.205757.16752@fnx.uucp> news@fnx.uucp (News Administrator) writes:
>
>Ok, fine.  Based on your argument then, I will send up a 'trial balloon'
>on Monday, barring some serious discussion on what I see as a serious
>issue.  I have sent mail to kimbro regarding this issue, which has been
[much deleted]

  Go for it.  I suspect that most sites won't carry the full slate, but
some of the groups will survive.  What most folks seem to be missing here
is that the vast majority of sites have carried the new group and
continue to carry it.  Sounds like it passed to me.  
  Bruce


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From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.admin,seattle.forsale,seattle.general
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:03:43 GMT
Organization: I/Ovations

In <1992Sep14.004105.29786@ssc.wa.com> markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier) writes:

>news@fnx.uucp (News Administrator) writes:
>: ignored.  I have seen few if any complaint regarding a sysadmin taking it
>: upon themselves to arbitrarily create a group with NO DISCUSSION, never
>: mind no vote.

>We (news adminstrators) VOTE with "our" systems active and sys files.
>If a newsgroup is worthwhile, It gets added locally, and if
>it's really worthless, can be obliviated and/or not forwarded.

>That veto power makes a poll a courtesy, but nothing more.

I hope you are kidding Mark.  I have this picture in my mind of what the
net would be like if the whole net were to adopt this attitude, world
wide, in the comp, rec, news, talk, and soc groups.  The 'alt' hierarchy
would become a cancer that would overwhelm the net.

No, I have to disagree with you.  Discussion and polls in new group
creation are critical in maintaining some semblance of order outside
of the alt hierarchy.  Since there is no central authority in Usenet,
the only tool we have to maintain this order is peer pressure.

I personally think Kimbro.com is way out of line.  I resent having the
seattle.forsale newsgroup created, as there is now another newsgroup I
have to scan.  Seattle.general is so low traffic that after my kill 
file is done processing there is usually only one screen full of subject
headings to select from.  *personally* I don't think it is worth it, and
haven't subscribed to the new group.  Anything I have for sale will get
posted to seattle.general.  Had there been a discussion on this, I might
have been swayed by general opinion.  Since the attitude seems to be
"Well, anybody can do anything they want, and we will vote with our
sys files", then I will vote with my sys file to not propagate seattle.forsale.
Likewise, there is no reason to have a separate seattle.admin group, so
I will crosspost anything I put in seattle.admin over to seattle.general.

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                          Who is John Galt?
Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: bruceki@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Feed Capacity Available
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:04:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.181138.3689@stephsf.com> wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England) writes:
>   With the Demise of Polari as a news  distributer (Bruce switched 
>   to PSI who, I believe, does not allow Usenet to their customers to 
>   be redistributed.)  Stephsf.com now has a bunck of unused news 
>   feed capacity.

  Rumors of our demise are greatly 
exagerated.  We are distributing news,
we are forwarding the seattle.* and
pnw.* for free, etc etc.  Bill, yeesh,
I'm dissapointed in you.  Ask before ya
post, ok?  No, I say NO change to
our newsfeed capabilities at all.We
pay psi extra bucks to allow redistribution.
Newsgroups: seattle.admin
From: jdb@camano.seo.dec.com (Jeffrey D Brennan)
Subject: Access to Internet
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:41:49 GMT

Please send me any info you have on ways for a small company
to connect to the Internet.  The company is in Redmond.
We have 6 employees right now.  We could use either an 6 accounts
on an internet node that we can dial into.  Or some info on
sites that we could set up a UUCP link with.  Also, any pointers
to info on how to connect directly to the internet would be
nice, but that's probably not cost-effective at this time.

You can send mail to me at jdb@camano.seo.dec.com and I'll
summarize to the net.

Thanks!
JD Brennan
[jdb@camano.enet.dec.com	Digital Equipment Corp.  Bellevue, WA
				until 10/18, then Symbologic Corp.]
Newsgroups: wny.general,wny.seminar
From: garyblk@access.digex.com (Gary Block)
Subject: Information sought on Buffalo Aera
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: wny
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:50:27 GMT





My family and I are moving from Annapolis, Maryland to Buffalo, New York. The only given is the work site which is downtown at Best St. qan and Delaware Ave. I would appreciate comments on: School systems for a second grader: Aera Public, private and Catholic;  Living locations: rent downtown or move to Orchard Park or Wilson (is drive tolerable?); I will be lookingh for a job and will be looking into getting my masters at SUNY. 
Again general comments are welcome, like the snow south of Aurora is worth the drive: True or False?

Thanks
gb
Newsgroups: wny.wanted
From: mtaranto@sura.net (Michael Taranto)
Subject: Used Computer stores in Rochester...
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:44 GMT

	I have a friend who is interested in buying a used computer in the 
Rochester area. Can anyone suggest some good locations for this.

Please respond via email. Thanks

Michael Taranto
mtaranto@sura.net
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: wny.wanted
Subject: seeking april 93 jobs
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:02:08 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: wny
Organization: Executive Networks Information

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