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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Dracula Criticism
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:56:23 GMT

I am not lame enough to use the text which has been used too much already.
Jeff--you suck
Brad--you also suck

What the hell do critics know?  Whenb you come down to it, they tell you what
they think you should like.  I liked the movie, and the people I went with 
liked the movie.  The movie does not suck.  The movie does not rock.  The movie
was pleasing to me and my friends.  The movie was not pleasing to many of you 
who are wasting space on the board.  Say "I didn't like the movie" or "I liked 
the movie."  The movie is only the movie and as an inanimate object, it cannot
either suck or rock.
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: lwolf@nyx.cs.du.edu (LunarWolf)
Subject: Vampyre type music
Summary: spleen
Keywords: fred
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:58:26 GMT


To add to the thread of vampyric themes in music, i'd like to add Queensryches
'Gonna Get Close to You' (from the Rage For Order album). The lyrics can be 
interpreted to have vampyric overtones. What i really liked, however, was the
video for the song...i don't think it was ever shown bigtime on TV and, as
this album is at least 6-7 years old, the only place you could really see it
is on the new 'Building Empires' video release...

In fact, in the pictures (of the band) on the album, the band seems to have 
a 'vampyre look' to it...

Tom...
--
"In wildness is the preservation of the world		Tom Dobrowolsky
 So seek the wolf in thyself..."                           LunarWolf
                 -"Of Wolf and Man" Metallica         lwolf@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: Best Vampire Movies
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.172342.1@acad.drake.edu> tdl001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>Ok, Ok, Fright Night WAS good, one of the best, but has anyone seen Pale Blood?
>It's one of the best contemporary Vamp movies I've seen.
>
>*Buffy*
>

Actually, I myself liked 'Blackula'. It was quite comical, yet utterly
stupid. If you like to laugh at pimps and hos getting bit, then check
this little tiddy out.

By the by, has anyone seen 'Children of the Night'?

-- 

                 If it walks like a duck, it must be a duck.
                  If it barks like a dog, it must be a dog.
                  If it flies and bites, run the fuck away!
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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:09:18 GMT

In <1992Nov18.011041.107875@zeus.calpoly.edu> mgamboa@zeus.calpoly.edu (Nitehawk) writes:


>I personally liked it.  I have never been so entralled by a movie.  I
>saw it Saturday and I remained in a trance even as I left the theatre.
>True, I haven't read the book yet, but that may be why I enjoyed it so
>much.  It was difficult to follow at first, but once the viewer is
>familiar with the interworkings of the story, he will be in awe.  The
					^^^^^
>key is to not have any expectations whatsoever.  Then there is no reason
>to be dissapointed.

>-- 
>"I am not mad, I'm a man fighting for his soul."  Bram Stoker's DRACULA
>                      mgamboa@nike.calpoly.edu
>                 "It's good to be deliciously evil." -me

What story, did I miss something??????  Must have fallen asleep, the
movie was one of my top ten worse movies ever, out-ranked only by
ISHTAR!

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*       Spiritus Sanctus Anno Mundi:  Can you see me, are you near me?      *
* Can you hear me crying out for life?  Can you tell me, where's the glory? *
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*******************  flar@iastate.edu (Brad Armitage)  **********************
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: vampyres/and/sex
Keywords: Charnas vampires sex
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:33:07 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:

> In regard to the above, I read an interesting story about a vampire
> who goes to see a psychologist. He tells her he thinks he is a vampire,
> but it is a ploy, and the story is very interesting. It is called
> "Unicorn Tapestry" by Suzy McKee Charnas. It can be found in _The Penguin
> Book of Vampire Storyes." edited by Alan Ryan.
> 
> Tracey
> UIUC

Two additional stories by this author, about the same vampire, were
compiled with "The Unicorn Tapestry" to create a book, *The Vampire 
Tapestry*.  READ THIS BOOK!  Charnas is an excellent writer.

-- Raven

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"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Re: vampyre girls
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:54:54 GMT

In article <By5688.Cp6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
>      I didn't really mean to jump on the bandwagon here, but the question
>begs the answer.  Women vampires, as creatures of fantasy, are subject to 
>portrayal only in the form that the male fantasizers choose to give them.
>For a woman to be portrayed as anything other than an ugly hag, she must be
>given the opposite extreme.  There is no such thing as a plain, unimpressive
>and unassuming woman in fantasy.  Where a woman begins as such, she is
>invariably transformed into an object of great (formerly undiscovered)
>beauty.
>      As far as why you don't see any "women like that around here" the
>answer is equally simple.  Women like that don't spend a lot of time in the
>computer lab.  They have dates.
>                                                      Karen

  The guy who originaly posted had best not be a vampire or this message alone
will turn him into a smoking pile of ash.
               Cyrus


>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: rgoldberg@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Dracula Criticism
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 NOV 92 17:39:13 GMT

Why are people so pathetic?  And this is not meant to criticize anyone 
personally or to say that FFC's Dracula was the best movie of all time or 
anything.  But it seems like it's the trendy thing to do to anticipate this 
movie as if it were the Second Coming, and then to say it was the worst piece 
of trash ever after seeing it.  Kind of like when it becomes trendy to 
criticize trendiness.  Or when people want to look "different" so they pierce 
various body parts, dye their hair various colors, and wear MC's with 
white-out all over them, so they all end up looking the same!  Which is not to 
say that such a look is not appealing, either... it's just that it seems like 
it's becoming "cool" to criticize the film, to be like, "Well, I'm a REAL 
vampire fanatic, so of course it couldn't live up to MY expectations" kind of 
thing.  I happened to adore the movie, some people might not, whatever.  But 
I'm sure tyhis bulletin could be put to much better use than WHINING about 
it!!!
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From: kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:36:55 GMT
Organization: WPI
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Originator: kat@banach.WPI.EDU


In article <1992Nov18.045021.29170@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> according to the book on the film (with script and stills), the
|> whole movie was shot on soundstages. an interesting idea, if only
|> it had worked.
|> imho, the best thing in the film was tom waits as renfield, even
|> though ffc managed to obscure half his dialogue with extraneous
|> sound.
|> so very, very disappointing.
|> russ fischer

That book might be something interesting to pick up.  According to one of the
workers at the bookstores that I was perusing said book at, they re-edited the
movie after previewing it in LA.  Apparently, the audience laughed through the
ENTIRE movie.  Since this is supposedly a horror movie, they decided to fix some
of the humor.  I looked through the book after I saw the movie and saw several
shots and scenes that I don't recall happening in the movie.  Personally, I
wouldn't mind getting a copy of the book just because I thought the costumes and
the set designs were incredible (even though the movie isn't what I expected.)

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:23:01 GMT

In <9211172349.AA00247@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Boggs) writes:

>A friend and I were wondering what is the nature of a vampire's fangs. Do they 
>work like a snake's fangs, but in reverse(instead of injecting venom, do they 
>withdraw blood), or are the fangs just for puncturing, and the blood is just 
>swallowed like any other liquid? Any suggestions are welcome.

Penetrate a major artery and you don't do all that much sucking...it
just sort of flows into your mouth. Actually once upon a time it was a
sharp tongue...but hollywood killed that idea.

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From: troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson)
Subject: Help
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:54:42 GMT


Could someone please repost the first 6 parts of the snack.gif.

Only parts 7 though 12 arrived here.  

Thanks.

Naden 

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From: thorfinn@wixer.cactus.org (Thorfinn Einarsson)
Subject: re: Impressions of the REAL thing...
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:42:54 GMT


>aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
>To get started, I'm a bit... hung up on the vampire subject.  I've spent
>a CONSIDERABLE amount of time doing research on real-life sightings and
>the vampire myth/reality.
>	As such, I'd like to know what the majority of those who DO put
>thought towards vampires believe about the possibility and traits of the
>REAL creatures (should they exist).

Have you read *Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore and Reality* by
Paul Barber? For the most part, he explains the folkloric revenant evidence
to be a natural occurrence of the putrefaction of a corpse.
Many pre-conceived ideas of vampires will lose most of their zing after
reading this book. There is a wonderful bibliography at the end, but be
prepared: half of the references are in German. The folkloric revenant
and the fictional revenant are two different topics altogether. 

There are those who seek immortality. If someone *is* immortal, s/he 
probably won't tell you.

There are people who like to drink blood, sleep in coffins, and are really
into the Un-Dead aesthetic. But are they really Un-Dead? I doubt it.
It's something to do, and it makes for great sex. That's what they say. :)

The original Lord of the Un-Dead is Odhinn, for he is called
"draugadro'ttinn" in Old Norse from a 13th century saga. 
People used to believe this, and some will again.

=-= Thorfinn Einarsson =-=-=-=-=-= ALU =-=-=-=-=-= O'dhinn er alfadhir! =-=
"En stundum vakti hann upp daudha menn o'r io"rdhu edha settisk undir hanga;
fyrir thvi' var hann kalladhr draugadro'ttinn edha hangadro'ttinn."
=-= ALU =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ynglinga saga ch. 7 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ALU =-=
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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Dracula, Necroscope, movies.
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:12:49 GMT


Yes, I saw the FFC Dracula.  I liked it.  I'm not saying I loved it, but I
thought it was very interesting.  Anyway...

I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but has anyone heard
of the Necroscope series being made into a movie?  Now *that* would be a
horror movie.  I know that a comic book is now available, but I was hoping
to someday see Harry Keogh raise the dead on a big screen. ;-)  It would
make a great cross (no pun intended) between Alien and Vampires.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
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From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:19:24 GMT

<BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>To the person who said that Dracula didn't lust after Mina but just used
>her for revenge:  Personally i think you are very wrong, Dracula loved her
>very much, she was(or at least looked like) the reincarnation of his wife
>who was the only person he cared for.  Plus, it was her death that pushed him
>to become a vampire.  The scene where she drinks his blood proves that.  He
>tries to stop her once because he loves her too much.  And at the end when he
>asks her to kill him, he does it out of love, and because he has seen what
>death is like and wants her to live...

That scene was only in the movie. It was not in the book. In the book no
mention is made of Dracula's family except lightly in terms of it's history
in regard to fighting etc. No mention of the women in his family at all. In the
book, Mina had nothing to do with Dracula's wife. Coppola made that up. Sorry.

Tracey
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson)
Subject: snack.gif at FTP.CS.UWINDSOR.Ca
Followup-To: snack.gif
Reply-To: tld@cosmos.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:40:50 GMT

Ok, gang; thanks to the many of who who emailed me about windsor!  8*)

snack.gif is at ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca,
directory pub/local/text/vampyres/pics/incoming

NOTE:  Please be polite by limiting your system-intensive FTPing to
       non-peak hours (like after 5 p.m. and before 7 a.m.)

For those unfamiliar with ftp:

On UNIX systems (not sure about any others):

1.  Enter the command:  ftp ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca
2.  You'll be prompted for your userid; enter:  anonymous
3.  You'll be prompted for your password; enter your email address
    (e.g. xyz@bigcorp.com)
4.  Enter the command:  cd /pub/local/text/vampyres/pics/incoming
5.  Enter the command:  binary
    ...if you forget this one; the gif will not be viewable!
6.  Enter the command:  get snack.gif
    ...transfer will take a while, between 2->5 minutes depending on
       your link...
7.  When it completes, enter the command:  quit

Enjoy!
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Re: vampires
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:58:17 GMT

In article <2086@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON  CHRIS L           ) writes:
>Is anyone reading this a real vampire?  Has anyone ever seen one?

    That would be telling.
               (there are more things under heaven and earth.......)

            Cyrus               
>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Ghost with the Most=)
Subject: Re: FFC's DRACULA (some SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:05:07 GMT

ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius   ) writes:


>Was I the only one who snagged the *Silence of the Lambs*
>reference in Dracula?  


Nope, the scene in the asylum, where Mina is placed in 'complete' safety,
completely reminded me of the place where Lector was kept at the hospital
in _Lambs_.  Especially the Large square centrally located, office which
was entombed in iron bars, i.e. the doctor locked in the cage.
I am sure that these small references are pointedly designed to appeal
to _Lambs_ fans.  No doubt, a popular movie, which could help sell a few
tickets.


As for the rest of the movie and cast, I thought it, they were terrific.  A
few of the special effects, left something to the imagination, however I think
that is how it should be anyway.  Feed me a thought and I will give it life.
This is the beauty of the cinema in my mind.

One thing I found to be rather unsettling was the use of religious artifacts
as weapons against the vampires.  In all cases I remember that the vampires
were not truly harmed by these weapons (crosses as I recall) but the vampires
did seem to be put off by them (in a general sense not driven away)  
I wonder what Van Helsing meant at the end when he said, "We have been slaves
to religion."  or some such thing I don't quite recall.  Did he mean that
he did not believe in it anymore or was it just that the vampires were not
effected by it?  I know that this topic has been pretty well picked apart on
Alt.vampyres and I don't mean to say that crosses work don't work blah whatever
the argument.  I just wonder what the references in Drac meant?

*SPOILERS follows.....










I liked the ending also, I think that the idea that Dracula was not to live,
however he did not, either deserve to be slaughtered without thought was
well conveyed, although they didn't have the same feeling about destroying
vampires early in the film.  It seemed that Love conquers all.  debate debate
debate.



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From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Don't move alt.vampyres
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:38:56 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (The Peacemaker) writes:

>
> Geez, alt.vampyres is exactly where it should be.  Don't change it to
> alt.horror.vampyres.  If you want to make hierarchies, go to rec or comp.

I kind of agree. Moving alt.vampyres to alt.horror.vampyres turns it into
some sort of folklore/B-movie sounding topic instead of the sub-culture that
it pronounces with it being just a.v

Some will balk at the explanation, but when you're around people every week
with fangs, it's no longer a movie. It's real.

<X>

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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ xorcist@cyberden.uucp ]
From: hd24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Heather J. Dunn)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: FFC's DRACULA (some SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:01:06 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


 Let me add some raving about Hopkins' performance-what the perfect
actor to balance the murkiness with some humor "No, we're only going to
cut her heart out and chop off her head" I found the novel was very
twisted by the other weak characters like Jonathan, that Texan, and
Lucy's sweatheart (from The Princess Bride), and was about to puke and
retch when Van Helsing was introduced sucking the blood from his
finger,bitten by a vampire bat.Or how about screaming that Lucy was the
devil's concubine-but let's eat first...
 
    Although I don't remember the book to be so entertaining in that
way, Hopkin's pulled the whole shmeal off like I expected he would,and
despite the new phony "princess from a past life" crud, Wynona was
convincing.

    My advice is-read the book and you'll see how FFC brought the story
alive.I watched in amazement as my roommate and her boyfriend left the
theater in disgust and annoyance,their putrified null lives insulted by
the exhilaration of this masterpiece and my obvious exstacy.

    I'll be dragging them to any Lestat movie, but first I'm buying Dracula!
~Heather
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Vampire impotence
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:54:30 GMT

This is in response to Glenn's posting in which she abuses Werewolf and then
asks whether or not vampires are impotent.

I would say that it's going to tend to depend on what you accept as source 
material for vampire info. I would be surprised if traditional vampires (the
old walking corpse that feeds on blood, was probably a sinner, werewolf, or 
really unlucky person in life, etc.) was capable of sexual activity. After all
their symbols of death, not life.

In terms of modern iterpretations of vampires, hell, believe whatever you feel
like. As you noted, there's fiction that goes both ways.

To sum up: what do mean, "are vampires impotent?" You need to define your
chosen myth.

				The Fool
				    ;-)
From: jordag@cary108.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Species of vampires
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:00:56 GMT
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

one more thing on Anne Rice species that you forgot to mention...
    incediblely fast...ie running so fast that mortal dont realize Lestat just ran by...
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From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:01:39 GMT

the script book is interesting, but it is also incredibly 
depressing. reading it, you get to see all the ideas that
were put into the film, many of which were good and a few
amazing, and then compare them to the pathetic result.
the script is nice to read, though it is not exactly what 
became the film; there are a few scenes in the film not in
the book, and vice versa. there are even a few stills from
scenes not seen in the film.
the best thing about the book is the ability to read dialogue
which ffc obscured with other sound in the film, by accident 
or choice. (seemingly a developing trend-the same'technique'
really annoyed me in fire walk with me.)
anyway, if you happen to see it, it is worth at least a look,
though probably little more.
russ fischer
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