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From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:36:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <C17t4A.LDJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) sez:
>
>
>>According to people who've known me, I'm a real loner. I find myself
>>realising there's a great big hole in my life, one which I want to fill
>>but don't know what to do it with, or where to start. A feeling of
>>incompletness.....
>
>Well DogBowl, that hole is like a bottomless hole. The more you fill
>it with the more it wants. You are incomplete because of your past,
>reconcile yourself with it and realize it has no bearing on who you
>are now and the Hole (with a capital H) will shrink...learn to love
>yourself as you are and the Hole is gone.
>
>
>- this psychobabble brought to you free of charge by me.
>

sls is a really smart guy with the posts I read and all, but he doesn't 
have the whole picture here.  The hole is actually from DogBowl's fear
of death.  He thinks he can somehow cheat death by falling in love.  Well,
he doesn't think it think it, but he thinks it so he can't hear what he's
thinking, like that Freud stuff.  Anyway, the hole's just gonna get wider
until it finally swallows him and he dies.  So don't even try to make it
shrink.  I think that if you've got a hole, why not play basketball?  And
as the hole gets bigger, you score more points.  :)  See?  Don't you feel
better now?  Like I said, angst doesn't have to get you down if you don't
let it!

-Hermes

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From: kdyer@MtHolyoke.edu (Kristy K. Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Anyone been shopping lately?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:30:16 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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My SO and I decided that "our thing" was to NOT celebrate Valentines Day - due
to many past disappointments. Valentines Day is reserved for writing
overdue letters to  family and friends. 

And then I broke up with him...
..but not because of that.
 --
Kristy Dyer__________________________________________kdyer@MHC.mtholyoke.EDU
From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
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In article <6PHsXB3w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>
> Well...the nagging doubt whenever I read anything here is "What if 
>he/she's a liar, and is playing me for a fool?". Terribly irritating if 
>one's been feeling sorry for a practical joker now, isn't it?
>
Why do I have to be in this role as a practical joker?  And why is anyone
a fool to interact with me?  I mean, someone's gotta be typing this stuff,
right?  He/she can't put him/herself above it all and say it's just a joke.
No way.  In that case, the joke's on him/her.  I personally don't care if
I actually exist or if I'm someone else's fictional character.  Why should
you?

-Hermes

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From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:40:42 GMT

In <1jmfhkINNcjr@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:

>In article <dsmither.727569348@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:
>>
>>Just out of irritated curiosity, why are you bothering to pretend that
>>you have (wide-eyed like alice in wonderland) 'just happened along
>>into a big confusing Angst Group that you don't really, um,
>>understand?'.  

>honest, I've never read this group before.  But my eyes aren't wide.  I just 
>have plain old normal eyes.

Fine. You've never read the group before - that wasn't my point. Look,
my point for the narrative device impaired is that you're obviously
just a shit-disturber that is putting on an act.  

>'I don't have any angst; where do I get some?'  

>I didn't say that, naughty.  :)

Ha ha; whatever.  Again, I should obviously be more literal with you -
but that is the image you are conveying: Cheer up; I try to avoid angst;
(giggle) should I be a man or a woman? which has less angst - carrots
or avaacados? etc..

>That
>>"oppression *thing"? "Patriarchy and *stuff*"? "Being oppressed and
>>*junk*"?  

>These are all examples of my dialect.  I don't think they prove anything.

Your "dialect"?  Please.  With all due respect, I doubt it.  In
context, you obviously have a frame of reference for what you are
saying, but you are playing dumb.
 
>> Give it a rest.

>I guess I could stop posting if that's what everybody wants. :(  But I 
>really would want one question answered:  man or woman?  which should I be?
>>
>>Diane S.
>>
>>- pardon the strong reply, but how annoying. 

>No, it's cool.  If you feel strongly about something, it's totally all 
>right to reply strongly.  That's my opinion, IMHO.  :)

For the record, the strong reply was for anyone else that was reading.
I was meaning that *you* were annoying.  Do you need a brick to fall
on your head?  There are many other groups that would suit your
purposes (whatever they are) better - but you are not dealing with a
homogenous body of people, an 'audience' that can answer your
questions about what this thing, 'angst' is that you so cheerfully try
to avoid.  And this is not an Angst Research Station, so quit posing
theatrical questions about your gender. Again, my advice would be to
find somewhere else to post - it is hard enough to negotiate meaning
through this technological medium without deliberately shit-disturbing 
people like yourself. 

Diane S.


- I guess I've answered my own previous question about whether these
incursions of meddlingly insensitive 'happy' people happen frequently
or not.

Soc/Anth Dept.
Carleton University
Ottawa, Canada
From: James.Rogers@launchpad.unc.edu (James Edward Rogers)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Horribly formed haiku and inquiry
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:30:28 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1993Jan21.161550.6714@desire.wright.edu>
 w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:
>I'm confused
>Can somebody help to clear some confusion away
>From my fog besoil'd brain?
Perhaps you mean "beclouded?"  :P
>
>Please
>
>
>What is alt.angst?
>Why are you all aengstig?
I believe the word is "angstvoll..."  Correct me if I'm wrong, any German
speakers out there.
>Is it because life is a confusing mess of disjoint and hellish events?
>
Yes.  For lack of a decent dictionary definition.  Look in Webster's.  The
definition there is hardly satisfactory.  I say we adopt this one as the
standard.  Thank you.
>Answer me if you'd like....
>
Any time.
>
>W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
James.Rogers@launchpad.unc.edu

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From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: feminism (was re:something or other else)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:53:29 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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Summary: Re: feminism... men controlling everything

In article <86629@ut-emx.uucp>, llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
> : you know.  That feminism stuff.  Brownmiller and Steinem and Stein and
> : Anthony and so on.  It's like this theory where men control everything
> : and so women aren't really free they're just doing what men want.
> 
> "it's like this theory where men control everything"
> 
> (and before guys start in with "i'm male and i don't control
> anything", please note that men controlling things doesn't mean that
> all men have power; it means that the people with power are men, and
> they're inclined to maintain the status quo, which means policies that
> tend to favor males gaining power.)
> sine | deb
> "if you can't fuck it and it doesn't dance, 
>  eat it or throw it away." -- pat cadigan
 
Deb,

Read Lysistrata( not quite sure of the spelling).

It shows how women can control men.... It was written in xxx B.C.

I agree it is a man's world still.... but, I also agree that women let
men get away with to much!  Speak up immediately!  Don't do like Anita
Hill.  Go for the jugular.

Great! I've got one employee here today! Go live for a new system on the
net.. and one asshole calls in sick!.... You just can't get good help these
days!


Coz

	"Have we done this before?
		Are we doing this now?"
			Brain Dead
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: The Bitches
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:33:26 GMT

Fucking Bitches /// all we want to do is fuck them. Slip in the
old salami. Not exactly torture. 

But NO - They have schemes to force us into a boring monogamous
'relationship'. I suppose it fits their breeding program - but
to hell with it ! Let them enjoy sex for what it is - and no
more. Their evil schemes must be rebutted. Lay pipe and dump
the bitches. It's the only way to teach them. 

Is this 'sexist' ... I don't think so. In no way do I question
their professional or intellectual abilities - In no way
do I want them restricted to carefully pre-defined roles. 
If we want simple conversation - we can choose our fellow
males. Their intrinsic femaleness in the only relevant 
discriminating factor - given a uniform body of professionals.
Small wonder that we want from them the one thing we cannot
get from our fellows - hetero sexual experience. 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: I Wish There Was a God
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:08:10 GMT

tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) writes:
>If there were a God, then he would just destroy everything now and get it over
>with
[etc.]

You are god.  You can destroy everything now and get it over with, and it will
only take one bullet.  You have my blessing.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: stuff
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:38:59 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

After lurking for a while, I've finally surfaced for air again....

Today I had to deal with a visit from my father and his girlfriend.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd prefer it if he never visited - I always
feel awkward when he's here.

My mother lives in the same town as I do - she moved back here after their
 marriage broke down a couple of years ago so that she could finish her
 degree. She flatted with me for a while until I asked her to find
 somewhere else to live - I'd been living by myself since I was 19
 and found that having someone else in the house was too spooky to
 handle.

Their breakup hit me quite badly at the time, and I've never quite
forgiven him for the way he treated her.

More than 18 months after I broke up with my last SO, I still feel
twisted, bleeding and broken. She threw me over for someone else in
precisely the same way she'd thrown her previous SO over for me, (and
so on in a chain lasting for some 15 guys)

I have this wierd relationship with a girl some 10 years younger than me
I try to get out of it, but find myself going back to
her and her family as islands of stability of my life.

I lie in bed for hours at a time, awake, but not wanting to get up and
face the world. All I want to do is hide uunder the covers and sleep -
never to have to face the stress of dealing with day to day life.

'Woke up today - the sun was shining
 threw back the blinds - the world was screaming at me
 Oh I wish that i'd just go away - and leave me by myself cos I'm OK

 Lived all my life inside a shoebox - not caring once to take a look outside

 When I go to bed every night
 something in my head says "you're not quite right"
 "there's something wrong with me" '
                                  (Mockers - 1980)

I was working at the Mountain Rock festival in New Zealand
(which Kilroy mentioned earlier) selling souvenier t-shirts and stuff
and had my old SO appear in front of me. She looked just as I
remembered her - all I wanted to do was run away and cry.

I'm in massive amounts of debt, and I have no idea how I can repay it.
My current income only just covers living costs, and I can't afford
to go back to Uni to finish my degree.

The depression and angst I feel have been a part of my life as long as I
can remember - at least since puberty - I was the kid who's short,
doesn't like sports ( a real no-no in this country ) wears glasses,
has really bad acne, and who no-one will go near cos he's likely to
rip your lungs out if you make him mad. ( Survival trait - glasses=bully
target :)

According to people who've known me, I'm a real loner. I find myself
realising there's a great big hole in my life, one which I want to fill
but don't know what to do it with, or where to start. A feeling of
incompletness.....


--
                                                            => Dogbowl <=
From: abienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Books & MY New Year's
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:43:45 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1jepkuINNnpu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs584@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeanne Leidy) writes:

>An interesting theory, but I remain sceptical.  Choose some emotions other
>than love -- grief, for example.  In what way is grief utilitarian?
>
>
>-Jeanne

One possibility is that emotions are merely unwanted side effects of
the process of survival, a basic animal instinct.

Although we generally abhor routine I think it is vital to our
survival. Without routine we become disorientated and confused,
our bodies don't function well and we become unproductive.
So we build our routines, where we live, when we eat, when we sleep,
where we work, when we work, and these routines in turn guide us
through a productive (in terms of physical survival and reproduction)
existence.
Unfortunately once the routines have been established we find it very
difficult to break out of them. If some external event causes our
routine to be broken we may well feel an emotion such as grief or
anger. This emotion does not help our basic survival instinct, in fact
it can often hinder it by preventing us from forming new routines
as quickly as we otherwise might.
I can't believe such emotional responses are taught by society and
it is not unreasonable to suppose that changes in behaviour could
have unwanted side effects in the brain.

A pet theory that I have is that sentimentality towards our
routines is a major obstacle to our progression. This can be seen as
a good thing and a bad thing. Maximum success for a human being (whatever
that may mean) would be achieved if that human were simply able to
cast aside that which was no longer of use and move on. Real people,
however, are weighed down by a lifetimes physical and emotional refuse.

Alex.
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Anywhere out of the world
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:49:38 GMT

and I am sent to Denver, Colorado.  I have not been there since childhood,
know nothing about the city, have no friends there.  I would like suggestions
on how an independent person should go about the move.  I will probably pack
my things into a truck, drive there (2-3 days) and die.  Any information
that will make my anxiety and depression less vague?  Strategies for the 
working class average lunatic on the move are more than welcome.

Regards,
and good riddance to southern califnordia.
-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: hjb@netcom.com (H. J. Bae)
Subject: Re: The Anti-Angst
Organization: Peaceful Star Project -- Oakland, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:18:49 GMT

In article <C1BCBp.400@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>zippety doo da 
>zippety ay
>my oh my
>what a wonderful day

thanks for the idiot song... 
now, FUCK OFF.


love,
hwajin
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: I Wish There Was a God
Organization: OFSA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:36:35 GMT

gkennedy@superior.carleton.ca (Garry Kennedy) threatens devilishly:


>Steve 
>with uppity talk like that i'm beginning to think that your one of
>them there aetheists. if you don't keep your mind to yourself we'll
>have to get some folks together and learn you right.
>
>G.


no, no..."larn" me right is whut yew mean to say, ain't it?

Atheist? Mais non! For I am god as you are and they are and anyone who
cares to put in the long hours can be.



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From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Strength to Endure -- Lyrics
Keywords: Ramones
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:10:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu

STRENGTH TO ENDURE
by Dee Dee Ramone and Daniel Rey

Walking through the cross fire heart
feeling heavy and worthless
wondering how I ever will see
through this darkness.
Every drop of blood can be
so beautiful.
And I sure was bleeding the drops by 
the bucketful.

I have the strength to endure
and all the love so pure
I have the strength to endure
because  . . . because.

I'm not afraid to tell her
just how things work.
Ride a hurricane
through the fast lane
always looking over my shoulder.

She said "There's something about you
and neon lights always glow hot.
Baby we can see this through,
just give me all the strength you've got."

I have the strength to endure
and all the love so pure
I have the strength to endure
because  . . . because.

I'm not afraid to tell her
just how things work
ride a hurricane
through the fast lane
always looking over my shoulder.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:36:54 GMT

In article <C19DnE.7MM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) continues without pausing for
>thought:
>>What groups?  I'm like a bicycle.  Steer me and I'll go!
>
>(puts head down and really sobs in pain this time)...*shudder*, how
>about unsubscribing here and go to , oh, how about talk.bizarre. That
>newsgroup will welcome you and your admirable persistence.

(puts head down and really sobs in pain)... *shudder*
look, Steve, I think you also are unclear on the concept - if you have
been reading talk.bizare for any amount of time (or understood what
was being posted there) you wouldn't even think about suggesting
talk.bizarre.  Talk.bizarre, contrary to some people's perceptions,
is not the trash depository of the net.  Some modicum of wit and
intelligence are usually necessary for continued survival in the group.

A more serious, and appropriate suggestion, would have been
a group like soc.singles.


yong-mi
defender of the faith
From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <dsmither.727569348@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:
>
>Just out of irritated curiosity, why are you bothering to pretend that
>you have (wide-eyed like alice in wonderland) 'just happened along
>into a big confusing Angst Group that you don't really, um,
>understand?'.  

honest, I've never read this group before.  But my eyes aren't wide.  I just 
have plain old normal eyes.

'I don't have any angst; where do I get some?'  

I didn't say that, naughty.  :)

That
>"oppression *thing"? "Patriarchy and *stuff*"? "Being oppressed and
>*junk*"?  

These are all examples of my dialect.  I don't think they prove anything.

> Give it a rest.

I guess I could stop posting if that's what everybody wants. :(  But I 
really would want one question answered:  man or woman?  which should I be?
>
>Diane S.
>
>- pardon the strong reply, but how annoying. 

No, it's cool.  If you feel strongly about something, it's totally all 
right to reply strongly.  That's my opinion, IMHO.  :)

-Hermes

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From: fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: Re: tick.. tick.. tick..
Originator: fsquared@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:01:51 GMT

Now you get on with the rest of your life.

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch)
Subject: Moderation (was Re: The Bitches)
Followup-To: alt.angst
Organization: Wally World Moose Sanitizer
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:42:23 GMT

jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu philosophizes:
>Fucking Bitches /// all we want to do is fuck them. Slip in the
>old salami. Not exactly torture. 

Let's be reasonable here.  That's not necessarily true, is it?  For
example, what if you had soaked your salami in HCl and you were
screaming in her face "I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS YOU BITCH IF YOU ALL
HADN'T IGNORED ME FOR THE LAST TWENTY-TWO YEARS" and blood was
spurting out of your ruined pud as you tried to force it into her
vagina?  I mean, okay so it's not torture it's liberation, but don't
you see how the gesture might be misunderstood?  I guess the important
thing is proper communication.  So maybe you would have to explain how
rigid sex roles made real communication impossible by forcing her at
gunpoint to bite off your tongue while you frenched her, but couldn't
that be misinterpreted as torture too?  Or what if you had to explain
sexual conflict by trying to fuck her on a rubber mat while you both
wear steel collars anchored by insulated metal cables to opposite
electrical poles so that the circuit would close whenever you touch.
Anyway, I think the issue is not as clear as you make it seem, and
your finger-pointing is not conducive to constructive dialogue.