From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:43:48 GMT

simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:
>Features were not pulled.  They had bugs in the software and were disabled.
>Big difference!

Jim actually said the 68000 mode worked fine, just that it was too slow
due to the ROM patch overhead, thus the reason he disabled/pulled (whatever
term you want, how can I tell if the code is still in the software?). But
I'll think that action is called 'pulled', because he claimed it working.

>>Only because he always said 'next week', or some at UU said, which they
>>KNEW was just not true. How many times of lying can you take before you
>>feel insulted with your intelligence?
>How do you know if he was lying or not?  For all we know, they may have been
>ready to ship "next week", but other problems arose.  This happens all the
>time.  I seriously doubt Jim or UU did any lying intentionally and even if
>they did, nagging them everyday isn't any better.

Ok, I am sorry again, I actually did not know, and only assumed Jim Drew
and UU were lying. I guess I made a too gross an assumption. I know they
did not lie intentionally. I do not know if they lie or not. I think lying
is a wrong term to be used here. I aplogize to Jim Drew and UU for its
accusation. Although what I meant was merely, they did not keep their
promise. Yes, you are right, Big difference! Sorry again.

>If people didn't post such news, I wouldn't be reading news on usenet.  This is
>money well spent.  As far as the early charges, I ask you, did you receive the
>product you paid for?  If yes, no need to argue.  If no, just wait.  If it
>didn't perform, it's a bug and it will (or should) be corrected.  You didn't
>loose anything because you can always get a refund.

If people just posted good news, but never said anything about complaining
nor suspision, I wouldn't be reading news on usenet. I'll be reading
magazines and advertisements. (After reading good review on Supra v.32bis
FAXmodem on MacUser, I almost bought it,but after checking comp.dcom.modems
and found out many complaints about Supra, I bought ZyXEL instead). My
point was we should have the rights to post complaints, rather than the
one guy who said we shouldn't , unless we paid for it, that he can understand.
Why nobody understands my point? I know, I did not make it clear. If I
received the product I paid for, sort of, but it did not perform as it
is suppposed to? Do I have the right to argue? I really hope the bugs
are going soon. I wouldn't loose anything because I can always get a refund?
My own friend, plus many others on the net, have big big BIG struggles to
get a refund from UU, where they purchased Sybil or Super-Ami-Card directly.
Always get a refund? not that easy!

>Any time someone orders early, you've got a high chance of getting a bum
>product.  People didn't have to preorder.  Besides, I think they were shipped
>early more because people were nervious of losing their money and so
>complained, than UU trying to rip people off.

Yes, I agree here, and no complaints with what you said. I don't really think
UU is trying to rip people off, at least not intentionally.

>What features were pulled?  SCSI?  Disabled because of software bugs.  Hmm...
>what else?

He claimed it works on all Amigas, now 2.x problem, no 68000 (admitted already)
, I doubt the future 'emulate anything' feature. And that's only what he
admitted. We won't know until there is one working, what else is missing.

>Return it if you like, keep it and wait, or please stop posting negative,
>sarcastic, posts.  It really doesn't help potential amiga buyers and there
>are many corporate "scouts" who read newsgroups who would be shyed away from
>ever developing on the Amiga.  I for one was.  Mostly because people expect
>every small developer to act like the mega corps who've got gobs of money and
>a long standing reputation.  Face it, UU isn't Microsoft.  They are not IBM.
>And they will never satisfy the doomsayers of usenet.
>Go buy a Falcon!  I saw one in the pet shop the other day.  The DSP sure makes
>them sound real!

I don't understand this, I read all these complaints on usenet about UU
and Emplant, but not much defence on the other side. Now I posted, I got
all these 'dumb', 'childish', should not 'bitch', negative, sarcastic
etc. May be you are right, I think we are all tired of all these negative
sarcastic, posts, probably especially mine. But who causes all these?
Is it our fault? Did we make up all these complaints?
>-- 
>*   Simon Lee              *   Microscopy and Imaging Resource          *
>*   simon@ivem.ucsd.edu    *   Intermediate Voltage Electron Microscopy *
>*   sulee@ucsd.edu         *   UC San Diego, Dept. of Neuroscience      *
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Simon, do you know Oleg at AMUG at UCSD? :)

David Tse