HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
Summary: (should be FJ vs GS)  ^^
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:46:59 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

[Chuck and Bob chat about FJ's vs GS's...]

>Still, with the rather lopsided current status in the FJ's favor, 
>I feel myself succumbing to compassion for the underdog.
>
>Chuck Rogers
>car377@druhi.att.com
>DoD #0003
>KotVS (Velvet Sledgehammer)
>KotBLFJ (Best Looking FJ)
>KotODoDBoC (Official DoD Bike of Choice)
>KotEG (Eternal Grin)

If the GS is the underdog and the FJ is the Velvet Sledgehammer then
maybe we could also say that the GS is the Velvet Underdog.  Kind of
reminiscent of the Velvet Underground.  Black and Bad. "...leads to a
center in my brain..."

I was parking my GS in front of a bar the other day, and I happened to
park next to a nice looking Harley.  (Arent' all harley's nice
looking?).  Well, a woman came out of the bar and as she was getting
into her car, she said, "Nice bike!".  Yes, she was talking to me and
yes, she was referring to my bike.  I was astounded.  As my wife says
about BMW's (especially the GS) -- they're so ugly you gotta love 'em.

--steve  KotVU  (Keeper of the Velvet Underdog)
ps: I post all these bikes in my .sig 'cause I'm insecure.  The proof?
Two of the four belong to my wife, and they both run well;  only one
of mine runs.  But you won't see me admit that in my .sig.
----
Steve Barnhouse                                   steve@presto.ig.com
1964 BMW R-27  **  1965 Harley XLCH  **  1967 BMW R-75/conversion  ** 
1989 BMW R-100GS
----


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dgibb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Gibb)
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:11:40 GMT

In article <9481@wrgate.wr.tek.com> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:

>How about Rulebook-Burners?  The top three finishers in the AMA
>Twinsports (Harley 883's) were all disqualified after teardown
>inspection at Daytona!

Ummmmm, what was the reason for the disqualification?
-- 
  
Don Gibb - DoD #0088
'87 Magna Pilot
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Today's Braindead Cager Day
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cupnews0.1992Apr14.232805.4399
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA


isn't "braindead cager" redundant?

-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tpowell@zoot.pa.dec.com (Timothy Powell)
Subject: What *ARE* cruisers good for?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:07:18

Greetings,

I really quite like the style of cruisers and want to buy one in a big way.
The bikes in my price range that I've been looking at are the 
Suzuki Intruder (800), the Honda Shadow, the Kawasaki Vulcan (750) and the 
Yamaha Virago (750).  The only problem is that the cycle mags I've been
reading seem to portray cruisers as "real nice bikes as long as you stay
on smoothly paved roads".  The bike that I want is one that will not only
get me to and from work, but also take my wife and I on weekend jaunts
to the ocean, mountains, forests (ie: places outside the city on less
than perfect roads), etc...

Are cruisers really only "stop light to stop light, boulvard bikes", or
are they also capable of a nice "two lane, mountain road cruise"?
When I asked this question to the Honda and Suzuki dealer dudes - I got
"Sure. I personally ride a sport bike.. but my friend of a friend takes
his cruiser all over the place" type answers. I wasn't particularly
reassured.

Any advice/stories/experiences for my fellow cruisers out in netland
would be greatly appreciated.  Email me if you're bandwidth conscious
and I'll summarize to the net in a couple weeks.

thanks.
!pow


--
Tim Powell					tpowell@decwrl.dec.com     
DEC Workstation Systems Engineering, Palo Alto	..decwrl!tpowell
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mfisch@pdx064.intel.com (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: CBR 900 at PIR this weekend
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:24:56 GMT


  Well, I saw a CBR 900 in the Open Prod. class this weekend at PIR.
It wasn't as impressive as I thought it would be (could have been the
rider).  The guy basically finished at the middle of the pack, but his
cornering speed looked decent (although he really wasn't passing anyone
in the corners).  It looked like it had a disadvantage driving into straights
as well, but since I didn't ride in this class, it was hard to tell.

It would have definitely been outgunned in the Superbike classes.

Then again, the track was damp, and maybe the guy didn't want to mess it up.

Any other reports of the CBR on the track ? (Yes, I did read the Cycle
Mag reports -- PIR is alot more of a Horsepower track than Willow).
  

-- 
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|									     |
|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Austrailian Grand Prix is over |
|   for Kevin Schwantz..."						     |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: joseph@panix.com (Joseph R. Skoler)
Subject: Re: Bike Locks
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:10:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr15.165303.14578@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr15.145339.5281@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>|> 	2) U-shaped locks: more of a pain in the ass, but looks more solid;
>
>Sigh. While it's true that U-locks are fairly easy to break, freezing them is
>not the way it's generally done -- it's messy, it's slow, and it doesn't work
>in a lot of cases. The whole bit about bike thieves armed with a can of freon
>and a hammer just ain't so.
>
>Still, they're harder to go through than a cable lock.
>
>Dan

Care to tell us more?  I've seen it done on American padlocks (those
big ones that stores use).  A number of people have told me that freon
is how thieves break the U-locks.

Thanks,

 Joseph R. Skoler

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jearls@luke.eecs.wsu.edu ()
Subject: Re: Just got my CBR600F2...
Keywords: squid
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.043210.14359@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.042818.17929@seas.gwu.edu> declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh) writes:
>>
>>Today, I finally got my bike.  As those who remember my bike search
>>and recommendation request might know, I looked at quite a few
>>different sport bikes and eventually decided the CBR was the best
>>overall choice.
>>
>(much babble deleted)
>>
>>BTW, when I was driving my mother's Volvo on Saturday, I caught myself
>>trying to accelerate past a motorcycle when two lanes merged.  Since I
>>wouldn't do that in my car, I submit that Volvo sedans bring out the
>>worst in drivers.  Perhaps it's the allure of high-performance Volvo
>>competition driving that does it...
>
>As KotV, and recognizing this as amaturish flame bait, I can only warn
>you to tread carefully.
>

  Aww, come on Bill, you can do better than this!

  Smack open that DoD lighter and have at it.  Remember the motto.

  Ride Toasty,




-- 
==============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu | DoD #0530  KotTG  WMTC #0002  SF3.17 |  
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon ------+ "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |
|'86 VF500F - Anti-Christ             |                                      |
From: buck@cci632.cci.com (Gary Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Avon vs Michelin radials
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: buck@jloda.UUCP (Gary Rogers)
Organization: CCI, Communications Systems Division, Rochester, NY

In article <3302@equinox.unr.edu> edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.000749.26073@mprgate.mpr.ca> parker@mprgate.mpr.ca (Ross Parker) writes:
>
>>Nope...
>
>>I was told about 8K for the Michelin, and 15-16K for the Avon.
>
>>YMMV.
>
>How about some data from someone who has run both?  Me.  I got
>For, me 7-8K on the Michelns is about right and looks to be the
>same for the Avons.  As always, YMMV.

Am I the only one that can get 12K *miles* out of a set of Michelins?
I have been caught abusing my rear tire a few times (usually on Wed.
nights at the drag strip) and can still get great mileage.  I don't
think it's me, must be the bike. :-)

-Buck

- Buck Rogers          DoD #0070         WFO Club          buck@jloda.cci.com -
- Holley, New York            "Ironbuttman"           '89 FJ1200 (warp drive) -
- Tires warmed and engines stressed while you wait!  Call for an appointment. -
"...forget about social responsibility, and ram the throttle against the stop."
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: rs6000.1992Apr07.141724.4361
Organization: Illinois State University

The wheels on my CX are nearly the same as on a GL1100.  One difference: the
wing has a rear disk and the CX has a rear drum.  The CX is heavy for a 500cc
bike but that helps on the highway--the front wheel doesn't bounce like my
lady's 550 Nighthawk.  (There aren't very many smooth roads in IL.)  The CX
has a very high ground clearance which leads to a high seat but I've gotten
accustomed to that.  Once on the road it is as comfortable as my '83 FXSB.

Chas
From: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ??1986 FZ750 worth??
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: radgumbo.corp.sun.com


A friend of mine is thinking of selling his bike and was
looking for some idea on what it might be worth, or maybe
access to the blue book value. (yes, I already offered him
100 bucks for it :-))  The bike is an average condition
1986 Yamaha FZ750 with 13,000 miles.  It is located on the
East Coast.

Thanks for any info,

Rich Schiavi
fins@Corp.Sun.COM

---
From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yet another way to get killed...
Date: 6 Apr 1992 16:12:03 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

In article <odrH2uS00WBMA8BHRZ@andrew.cmu.edu> John Robert Nadzam <jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Hey yeah, we call them deer, and in the Penn State area we also call
>them bear. One strech on 322 just past Penn State was built across some

In Montana they have a saying:

"You will see more dead deer on the road between Billings and
Miles City than you will see alive the rest of your life!"
We once counted 321 live deer on this 150 mile stretch of road.  There
were 4 of us watching for the deer and we drove it during the last
2 hours of daylight.

So, be warned!  If you try to maintain the required DOD minimum
speed on I90 between Miles City and Billings you better have
a hunting license with a deer tag.

--jimiii


-- 
 Faster horses
 Younger women 
 Older whiskey
 More money!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@che.udel.edu (From the jumbled mind of Steve Andersen)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.172608.29409@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes...
>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>> Exactly what is "shaft 
>> effect" and how can I feel for it?
>You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
>a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.
> 
>It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and you find it is only worth a mere fraction of its original purchase
>price just 1 or 2 years later.  The root of the problem (or I should say
>  Blah blah deleted...
> 
>Seth Zirin


I would think that many a pasta and kraut bike owner
might tend to disagree with your on your generalized
"imported motorcycle" statement here, as I know
that many European bikes have the same favorable
resale potential as your Hogsley Ferguson...


Steve
______________________________________________________________________________
 Steve Andersen                                   andersen@oscar.ccm.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 "I own two bikes, brand unimportant"  -- Jeff Kaskey 
 DoD #0239
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom)
Subject: to call a Harley...  MINE!!
Summary: i want one
Keywords: harley davidson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:34:04 GMT


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  she said i can! she said i can!  she said iiII  CAAANNN!!

  yup it's true, the wife has unleashed me. 
  I'm in the market for a Harley Davidson MC

  therefore, I'd like some input, pros, cons, suggestions

  on topics like new - used - basket cases (moderately high MQ)
	    like classic years & models, or years or models to avoid
	    like bargains to look for, stories you like to blabber(short ones)

 so go on, run on at the mouth, i can take it. 
 thanks, chad sandstrom
       -- university of illinois, where the corn and the pigs rule
		 and the chicago suburbanites would like to think they do
	    
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: RE: WHAT TO CALL A HA
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.034904.9428@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>In article <3263.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>>->      Rotax is alive and well.  Are they American?
>>I don't remember if the Rotax engines were Canadian or German.  Anyone
>>go back that far?

Right. Rotax is alive and kicking. 
Peter Oettl has won a 125ccm GP last year on his rotax and the bike is
hot this season too.

Also Rotax, Aprilia and BWM are currently working on a deal to build
TOGETHER a bike that help BWM to get in the low-cost beginners market.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
CBR600F2 (street) - NS400R (track)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: DoD number
Reply-To: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:41:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.061607.10330@amd.com>, karen@brahms.amd.com (Karen
Black) writes:
|> Dan Sorenson writes:
|> > Seth Zirin writes:
|> >
|> >>All DoD annual dues should be sent to:
|> >
|> >>Seth Zirin
|> >>AT&T Bell Laboratories
|> >>184 Liberty Corner Road, 3N-R07
|> >>Warren, NJ 07059
|> >
|> >>The current dues requirement is 1% of your 1991 AGI.
|> >
|> >	I suppose this makes you Keeper of the Loot, doesn't it?  Wait
|> >a minnit -- that'd be KotL, which we certainly can't have.  How's
|> >about Keeper of the Dough (KotD) instead?
|> 
|> I suggest Keeper of the $ (Kot$).

Well since he has been collecting the dues, and he has neglected to send
me the 10% of the total dues + 10% intrest (= $999,999.95) for
our Ride'n'Feed. And I'm sure he hasn't sent bob his 10% + interest 
for the Joust. bob i think we give Seth 1 more week before we send Mr
Tom Barber over to deal with him.

Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"Nothing is as over rated as a bad f*ck or as under rated as a good sh*t."
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
"There so ugly I don't even want to look at them." Mikii in reference to
harleys.
The last thing a politician did that I approved of: Clinton f*cking the bimbo.
DoD #0666          UID #1999
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: clb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Cameron L. Bennett)
Subject: need info on a 1972 suzuki GT550
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:47:23 GMT


I bought a '
1972 GT 550 that has been sitting since 1987...

with a little coaxing and a lot of starting fluid I got it to
run.  It didn't like doing much past idle speed though.  I cleaned
the carbs...is it the points or what?

help!!!
From: ifair@sirius.UVic.CA (Ivan  Fair)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: 1986 Suzuki Katana for sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:42:49 GMT
Reply-To: ifair@sirius.UVic.CA (Ivan  Fair)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

For sale:

	    1986 Suzuki Katana 750

    - 19,800 kms
    - 2,800 kms on new Metzler tires, chain, sprockets
    - silver/grey, with blue detail and orange lettering
    - very good condition

This was the last year they made this bike with the pop-up
headlight.  I bought the bike for its look, and have 
certainly enjoyed riding it.  It took me across Canada in
1987, and has given me no trouble at all.  

Asking $CDN 3695.


Ivan.

Tel:  (604) 381-3213  (home)
Tel:  (604) 721-6043  (office)
Fax:  (604) 721-6048
From: ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Mud gets in your wheels
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computing Center - Distributed Computing Group

Hello folks,
   I just got back from lunch and thought you all might be amused by my
slight mishap.  It is Spring here in the mountains of Virginia and that
means one thing, annoying red clay mud everywhere.  I decided to go for a 
short ride during lunch and headed over to the industrial park nearby to
see what new buildings were going up etc.  Not terribly interesting I admit
but I didn't have all day.
   I rode around and noticed where they were extending the rode into the
woods.  So I rode on down there.  No pavement, lots of red clay but it's
been dry for a few days and it wasn't bad. . . I thought.  I could feel
the back end of the Virago sliding around a little but nothing too 
worrisome.  The road ended and I turned around.  I couldn't go anywhere.
The engine bogged down whenever I tried to move.  I looked and the front
wheel wasn't moving.  There was a buildup of red clay under the front
fender and I couldn't move!
   I tried to roll it backwards to clear it, I tried a little more power and
all the happened is the front wheel slid.  Couldn't steer it like that.
I finally had to take the front fender off to get out of there.  All
this and my tire tracks were only about 1/4 inch deep.  Fun stuff this red
clay.
   I kind of like the dirt bike look of running without front fender.

 *************************************************************************
 * Bill Ranck                  DoD #0496           RANCK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU *
 * '87 XV535 Virago          '73 Norton Commando    '73 Honda 350-4      *
 * (it gets me there)        (it's a classic)      (it's hard to explain)*
 *************************************************************************
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From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Silencers for competion pipes
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:41:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

I have a Murray competition pipe for my Ninja. The problem is, it is
too loud for the street. Infact, I've been told that its too loud for
the track. I want to quiet the bike down, but not at the expense of a
lot of power.

I spoke to Dennis Murray a while back about this. He did not have a
lot to offer, and just said that this bike is particulary difficult to
quiet down. The fact that I've got a high compression built motor just
makes the situation worse. While Murray does have a smaller core (1 1/2") 
baffle, he said that it doesn't do too much good. Before I had the Murray 
pipe I used a VHR pipe which had a smaller baffle and yes, it was just 
about as loud as the Murray pipe with the bigger core.

Murray said that on the dyno his pipe is worth about 9hp on a stock
motor. I'm sure that the number his substantially higher on on a
built motor. After spending over $3000 on this motor, I'm not willing
to throw away all that expendsive horsepower by going back to the stock
exhaust system. As things stand, it looks like my best bet is to use
a different silencer.

Currently the only silencer that looks like it will do any good is the
Supertrapp. Unfortinatly, my pipe has a funny sized outlet at 2 1/8".
The Supertrapp silencer I'm considering is a 4" canister with a 2 1/2"
inlet. This means that I can either expand the pipe's outlet or spin
up an adaptor sleeve on a lathe.

Befor I go and order this silencer, I thought I'd see if anyone else
has investigated silencers for competion pipes, and if so has any good
recomendations. While I do like the sound of a healthy motor, I'd
be perfectly happy if the bike was completely silent. I just don't
want it to be any slower than is absolutly necessary. 

So, anybody got any suggestions?

Eric
--
*  Eric Marsh   ---   email: emarsh@sun.com / standard disclaimers apply  *
*  DoD # 1332                                    dragbike pilot for hire  *
*  986cc Ninja street scooter   ----   GS1260 Suzuki Pro-Stock drag bike  *