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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:26:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA

Date: 22 Aug 92 03:39:20 GMT
Message-Id: <174ct8INN3s9@early-bird.think.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <1992Aug21.182548.2932@nntp.uoregon.edu> johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.181915.2357@twg.com>, "David Herron" <david@twg.com> writes:
>>In any case ... with a keyboard interface the user generally must
>>remember all the options, and getting them wrong means retyping.
>
>How does this differ from GUIs? You still need to remember how all of these
>little pictures can interact -- something that I personally have a bit of
>difficulty doing.  I sometimes get them wrong, which means starting over.

Yes, many of the underlying concepts about how objects interact are
independent of the UI style.  But I don't think that's what David was
talking about.  In GUIs, many operations and options are presented
explicitly in menus and dialogues.  In CLIs, the user must remember the
names of operations and options.  Thus, a CLI generally requires you to
remember more things than a GUI.

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X & my Sun Keyboard (Doesn work!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:32:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

Date: 2 Sep 92 07:57:14 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.075714.5179@ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep1.224341.28699@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, henrich@crs.cl.msu.edu (Chuck Henrich) writes:
|> I have just installed a Sun Type-5 Keyboard, along with the sun patches,
|> and the keyboard, and all of its keys are recognized by the sun console.
|> 
|> However, once in X, all of the special keys no longer function (I.e.
|> num lock, arrow keys, insert,home,pageup/down)  Does anyone have any
|> idea how I can re-activate all these keys in X?

Get sunkbd.tar.Z from export at mit, it includes support for type 5
keyboards, national keyboards and the compose key.

-- 

Michael Salmon

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#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>

Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
From: dvanderr@oracle.com (Danny Vanderryn)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Xkernel on diskless Sun3?
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:26:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Oracle Corporation.  Redwood City, CA

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:06:07 GMT
Message-Id: <DVANDERR.92Sep2100607@hen3ry.oracle.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have 2 Sun3's lying around, and i'd like to use them as X terminals.
The only problem is that they don't have working disks.  Does anyone
have any experience or ideas on booting XKernel from a boot host?
what about fonts or other auxiliary files?  

i don't imagine there will be much interest, so please reply be
e-mail.  if there is, i'll summarize.

thanks
danny vanderryn
dvanderr@oracle.com
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From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Problems with getting Xt applications to see resources...
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:27:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:03:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.130325.3737@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug27.000326.19188@news.cs.indiana.edu> tjones@moose.cs.indiana.edu (terry jones) writes:
>Perhaps I am just being stupid (wouldn't be the first time)
>but I am unable to get either XAPPLRESDIR or XUSERFILESEARCHPATH
>to work the way they are documented in the FAQ.
>
>For instance, I set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to ./%N.ad:$HOME/%T/%N
>(and unset XAPPLRESDIR for what that's worth), put a file containing
>resources into ./Fred.ad and run my application "Fred", but.. no resources
>are seen. Ditto for a resource file in $HOME/app-defaults/Fred.

I made a mistake about %T when I wrote that FAQ answer.  %T
substitution doesn't work in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, only in
XFILESEARCHPATH.  Sorry.  I'll fix the FAQ.

This doesn't explain your problem with ./%N.ad ... this works OK
for me.

Try running with SunOS trace, and see what resource files your
application opens.

Try running "appres Fred" and see what resource files get picked up.

Ollie Jones
From: ndd@bal1.lcs.mit.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X11R5 and gcc 2.1, SunOS 4.1.1
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:11:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 28 Aug 92 14:44:37 GMT
Message-Id: <4951@news.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) wrote:
: can I compile X11R5 (with fixes 1-17 applied) using gcc 2.1 under
: SunOS 4.1.1? I have *not* installed the ld patch referred to
: in sun.cf:
..
: 
: when I try to make the shared libraries, I get a lot of
: 
: ld: assert pure-text failed
: 
: errors. I've applied the patches for X11 that came with gcc, and
: I think everything else is set up right.
: 
: Sun 4/280, vanilla SunOS 4.1.1, gcc 2.1, R5 with fixes 1-17


what I failed to do is carefully read the gcc README.X11:

>mit/config/sunLib.rules -- If HasGcc2 is defined, then use -fpic to 
>generate PIC code.  Make sure that gcc does not use gas (the GNU assembler)
>when compiling PIC code; gas does not assemble it correctly.  If you
>have gas installed where gcc uses it by default, you might have to add
>-B/bin/ to the PositionIndependentCFlags.


I had assumed that just doing the patch took care of everything;
adding -B/bin/ fixed the problem.


--
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: sapwdf!wohler@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: want generic resource to override specific application resource
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:45:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

Date: 31 Aug 92 16:01:06 GMT
Message-Id: <3861@sapwdf.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


  i have the following in my .Xresource (that i load with xrdb):

	*vt100.translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: string(0x1b) insert()

  however, while this works on the dec, it doesn't work on the hp
  unless i place a leading "xterm" on the line.  on the hp,
  /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm has:

	XTerm*VT100.Translations:#override Meta<KeyPress>: insert-seven-bit()

  what do i need to do to get the translations listed initially to work on
  the hp?  i appreciate your taking a moment to answer.

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: The most effecient way to scroll: initiate a discussion or asking some direction if already discussed
Date: 25 Aug 92 00:33:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT

Date: 24 Aug 92 19:27:46 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug24.192746.15940@dsd.es.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug21.205134.12632@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, elton@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (elton.huang) writes:
> I've been trying to find out the fastest way to scroll. "Erase
> and redraw"", I belive, is the most easy yet primitive way.

xterm might be a good example. For small scrolls, it appears to do an
XCopyArea on the window to move the scrolled-but-still-visible portion
up the window, then it just draws the newly exposed region. For large
scrolls, it appears to do an XClearWindow and just repaint the whole
window.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
From: HART@uv2.eglin.af.mil ("DENNIS L HART")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Sun Widget Set
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:04:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9208281250.AA28212@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:37:00 CST

                               E G L I N     A F B

From:  DENNIS L. HART                       Date:     28-Aug-1992 07:31am CDT
       HART                                 Tel No:   904 882 3154
Dept:  3207CCSG/SCWA*SAS

TO:    Internet Addressee                   ( _SMTP[XPERT@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU] )


Subject: Sun Widget Set

Greetings!

Does anyone know of a "widget set" for Sun workstations that is layered upon
Xlib and Xt?  We are looking at developing an interactive data visualization
tool tailored to some special-purpose analysis requirements, and a "widget set"
would reduce development time.  

tks

Dennis Hart
Atlantic Research Corporation
Directorate of Computer Science
Eglin AFB, Florida
From: reza@peri.jsc.nasa.gov (Reza Razavipour)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Properties
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:24:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:15:32 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.151532.10226@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have been asked to display an animated busy icon when I am
doing long number crunching routines. I want the animation of 
the icon to be as smooth as possible. So I have thought of forking
a process to merely do the icon animation. I will control this
process with Properties. The question is how do I tell the icon 
animator process the window IDs that I want it to change.
Any help is grealty appreciated.
Reza.
From: wwf@doe.carleton.ca (W. Walter Fergusson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help: compilation problems for X11R5 on sun3
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:08:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Carleton University, Electronics Department.

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:36:57 GMT
Message-Id: <WWF.92Sep1123657@spock.doe.carleton.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I am trying to compile X11R5 on a sun3 running 4.1.1.  I am compiling
with gcc-2.2.2 using gcc to compile the shared libraries.  I had
limited success.  I ran into some load problems when I ran certain
clients.  The error was "Xt_Malloc was not found".

I tried to work around that error by installing sun patch 100257-02.
Now all I get is /usr/bin/ld dumping core after a segmentation fault.
This happens on most clients, but not on any other section of the mit
distribution.

Now come the questions:
1) Has anyone seen this problem?  Do you know how to fix it?
2) Is there another patch from sun to get the loader working?

I would also appreciate where I could get a list of bug fixes for
sun3s running 4.1.1.

Walter
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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:16:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: henrich@crs.cl.msu.edu (Chuck Henrich)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X & my Sun Keyboard (Doesn work!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:42:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Michigan State University

Date: 1 Sep 92 22:43:41 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.224341.28699@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have just installed a Sun Type-5 Keyboard, along with the sun patches,
and the keyboard, and all of its keys are recognized by the sun console.

However, once in X, all of the special keys no longer function (I.e.
num lock, arrow keys, insert,home,pageup/down)  Does anyone have any
idea how I can re-activate all these keys in X?

-Crh

--
                          
Charles Henrich      Michigan State University      henrich@crs.cl.msu.edu
From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Summery: How to know a client itself has been killed?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:13:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 18 Aug 92 01:27:53 GMT
Message-Id: <20672@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <20622@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> How can a client know that itself has been killed by the window manager?
|> 
|> Thanks a lot.
|> 

Thanks to Basile Starynkevitch <basile@soleil.serma.cea.fr>, Robert
Tracy <tracy@bluenote.b23b.ingr.com>, Kaleb Keithley
<kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>:

1) [ICCCM] An application can find out that it is about to be killed by
   looking for a ClientMessage event with the WM_DELETE_WINDOW atom in
   xclient.data.l[0].

2) Select SubstructureNotify, handle the DestroyNotify event on
   application top level window; or catch the error when the client
   side detects that the server has closed the connection.

________________________________________________________________
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-2759                   Tucson, AZ 85721
From: borchert@titania.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Andreas Borchert)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:50:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI

Date: 1 Sep 92 15:14:44 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.151444.28252@informatik.uni-ulm.de>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <Btv1sC.79B@mtholyoke.edu>, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
> In article <YANDROS.92Aug30173448@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU> yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) writes:
> I've never quite been able to figure out what exactly NeWS is... I
> know it stands for Network Extensible Windowing System and that it's
> based on Postscript, but I don't think I've ever seen a machine
> running it by itself.  But that brings me to a GUI you forgot to
> mention... "Open Windows".  Barf!!!  This has got to be the worst of
> the bunch!  It takes the "3-D feel" to absolutely arbitrary extremes,
> violates every rule in the book, and is a bear to boot (it's slow on a
> Sparchstation 2, a mid-20s Specmarks machine... I have no idea how
> they managed that.)  What's worst, I bet the people who wrote it a
> proud of themselves and that they thought: ``We can do a better job
> than all those so called Human Factors people.''

OpenWindows 2 and NeWS run pretty well even on my Sun 3/80 (equipped with a
MC68030 processor and 16Mb), a machine which is much slower than a SS2.

OpenWindows supports X11 and NeWS in parallel. NeWS is based on
PostScript and additional concepts (classes, events etc). You are
able to write complete applications in NeWS and you can download them to the
server.

Usually, you've two parts in a NeWS application: the NeWS code which
handles all window operations and events and a conventional program (in
C or other languages). In comparision to X and other windowing systems,
you are not enforced to do the whole event handling on the client side.
For example, moving through menus or filling out forms may be performed
on the server side. And if you've selected a menu point or completed
your form, the server side tells the client side what happened.

This reduces the net load and separates your application from the tool kit.
Further, you are not enforced to use any C libraries (that's fine for people
like me which dislike assembly languages like C).

Because I've a monochrome monitor, I'm not familiar with the OW 3D look,
but I know that it's possible to enforce 2D look even on color displays.
Personally, I prefer Open Look in comparision of Motif because of its
good layout especially for monochrome displays and the lack of
baroque borders.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________

Andreas Borchert, University of Ulm, SAI, D-W-7900 Ulm, Germany
Internet: borchert@mathematik.uni-ulm.de
From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:08:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: dvanderr@oracle.com (Danny Vanderryn)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: need help accessing upper 128 font chars
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:03:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Oracle Corporation.  Redwood City, CA

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:02:57 GMT
Message-Id: <DVANDERR.92Aug26100257@hen3ry.oracle.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug21.200203.3535@mercury.unt.edu> gene@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Gene De Lisa) writes:



   I need to create text with accented characters.
   [...]
   The only way I can get them is by using openwindows and
   typing at the command line using the sun4 compose key
   sequences. this wont work in emacs or vi -- just the
   command line. Ive tried to compare the XKeysymDB but
   I cant find where openwindows puts it.

openwindows has the patch in Xlib, where X doesn't.  you might try
running with your LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to your openwin libraries
first.  if that doesn't work, there may be something in R5 to do it.
i'm not quite familiar with R5 yet, but i know that R4 didn't have it.



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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:28:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: curt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Curt Kersey)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problem with XView and X11R5
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:11:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Date: 26 Aug 92 20:17:52 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.201752.26850@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


 hello-

 i am currently installing the xview3 package from the user contributed
 software for X11R5.  i got it all to compile (finally), but now the
 cmdtool and textedit programs do not work.  i have several compilation
 errors while building the package that i suspect may be causing some
 problems. the problems i encountered were:

	(1) in the file xview3/lib/libxview/panel/p_view.c

		in line 3 there were to " next to each other in the
		sccs id line.  i just took one of them out, and it
		compiled fine.  

		no big deal.

	(2) in the file xview3/lib/libxview/scrollbar/sb_compat.c

		in line 69 there was a type conflict with the attr
		variable.  the function prototype had it as type
		Scrollbar_attr and the function itself had it as
		Attr_attr.  so i changed it to Scrollbar_attr, and
		it compiled with no more errors.

		i am not real sure about this part.

	(3) in the file xview3/lib/libxview/textsw/txt_edit.c

		in line 524 there was a type conflict with the
		variable buf_len.  the function prototype had it
		as an int and the function header had it as a 
  		long int.  so i changed it to int, and it seemed 
		to compile with no problems.

		i am not too worried about this either.

  for more background info:
	o using X11R5 with the Xkernel package from ctr.columbia.edu to make
	  sun 3/50s X terminals.
	o using the contributed xview3 software from export.lcs.mit.edu for
	  X11R5
	o using the gcc compiler version 1.39 to build xview3

  the problem is that when i try to start up a cmdtool or textedit it gives
  me a 'Bus error (core dumped)', and i dont know why.  any help is greatly
  appreciated.

 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Curt Kersey      email: curt@pollux.cs.uga.edu       phone: (706) 542-3445
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: memory monitor
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:30:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 09:17:04 PDT
Message-Id: <9209021617.AA00977@mtesol>


> I am using a SPARC station IPX and was wondering if anyone could point me to where I 
> could find a memory monitor (something to monitor memory ususage).  I'm using
> a program and would like to know how much memory is being used by it and
> at what times in execution the most memory is being used.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> cfrazier@hdsc.ssc.af.mil
> 
 ME TOO...
From: leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner 311/? x?)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: raising a tty...
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:30:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Xerox

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:00:09 PDT
Message-Id: <9208311800.AA17838@louvre.wbst147.xerox.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


This is what I want to do...

I run w to find the tty the process I want is at...

I want to run a hypothetical tool called "xraise tty" which raises this
tty to the top of the screen so I can see it...

Right now, I cycle through my windows to find the one I want...there must be
an easier way...

Marty    leisner.henr801c@xerox.com 
          Member of the League for Programming Freedom 
 	Give me source or waste my time..