HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: PICO and TIN
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:23:58 GMT


Sorry - the last post got sent to limbo:(

I am trying to get PICO to work with TIN. I set VISUAL in my .profile to
PICO, and in fact PICO comes up to reply or post mssgs. However ther
eare some problems:

1:Copies of the mssg I am replying to never get passed to PICO
2:Files saves are not working as in VI. If I save a file it gets placed
in my home directory, and comes up everytime I invoke pico in a single
TIN session. So it is not saving to a temp file as vi does.

Also, is there a way to integrate PICO with ELM?

Thanx! - David
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: saving multiple articles using 'rn'
Organization: Borland International
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:41:41 GMT

heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) wrote:
> In 'nn', it is possible to save multiple articles to filenames
> like file.nn, file.nm, etc by using the 'S' command.  How does one
> do something similar with 'rn'?

If you've got a modern version of rn (i.e. 4.4), I believe that Stan has
included my %# extension (see the man page on all the %x expansions).
For example:

	/subject/:s filename.%#

If not, grab trn.

..wayne..
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield)
Subject: Trumpet Date: trouble with 1.05G
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: news
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:00:31 GMT

Hi,

We have recently installed Trumpet as a reader in an NNTP/DOS environment.
Everything reads well, but on the posting side the NNTP server rejects
the posted article due to a bad header Date: and files the article away
for me to investigate on the news host.

The investigation of the article indicated that the Date: header item comes
across as blank from the Trumpet session.  We have tried a few things:

	1) Running with a 'timed' time server produces the blank date
	   header.

	2) Removing the time server address and hoping for Trumpet to 
	   generate its own date produces the blank date header.

	3) Most bogus:  give an address for the 'timed' time server, but
           then not run the 'timed' daemon on that host.  Still bad header.

In reading the release notes for prior releases, it seems that the Date: 
header has caused problems.  Hopefully there is a way to climb out of this
box.

Thank you for any advice in advance.
Personal e-mail responses would be appreciated as I rarely have read thiis
newsgroup in the past, but I will be checking in here if your answer is 
of general interest to everyone.

Thanks again.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: DESIGN DISCUSSION: The reference line is deficient
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:09:31 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <C02wp5.8JB@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>... Or trn could add an 'X-Newsreader:' header
>like tin... one would be able to identify conformant newsreaders from
>that.

This won't pick up on the large number of readers that already preserve
the References line.  In fact, nothing that involves adding new magic
headers will be of any near-term use.

By the way, my current son-of-1036 draft (which will be available within
a week or so; it's only slightly behind schedule :-)) says rude things
about silly headers like X-Newsreader that convey no useful information.
This sort of gratuitous waste of bandwidth, we do not need.

>The "R<id>" solution is attractive in its brevity, but the problem
>with it is that it gets us /away/ from conformance with any standards.

Indeed so.  I really think that changes to headers have to stick within
the existing rules; there is way too much software already out there,
and you can probably find something that expects strict compliance with
almost any rule you can name.
-- 
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       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin posts
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:46:37 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp wrote:
: Larry Cannell (cannell@ed8200.ped.pto.ford.com) wrote:
: : Is there a way to configure tin to confirm that you really want to
: 
: Try hitting ESC at the first prompt.

Thanks for the hint!  I just tried and found that this works at many
other prompts, such as |(pipe), m(ail), s(ave).

Now I have a harder one: sometimes I do a "| (article) kermit -s -"
to download directly from tin.  Then I decide (possibly by peeking at
a gif while transfer is in progress) to abort the transfer. Can I break
it short of hanging up the phone, which is what I do?  I'll understand
if you deem this a Kermit problem; I'm hoping for tin magic.

I believe I also get into a sort of deadlock with
"| (article) cat - | /baddirectory/name".  It's painful to recover from
efforts to reproduce these problems; I'll do so if you want more information.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sbpress@libws4 (The Stony Brook Press)
Subject: does tin thread ,first in last displayed
Reply-To: sbpress@ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: The State University of New York at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:08:28 GMT

When ever I read news with tin , I get the feeling that tin displays
the last recives message first and the first recieved message last.
Is this true, and can it be changed?

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Newsgroups: news.software.notes
From: mbrousse@cs.ulowell.edu (Marc Brousseau)
Subject: VMS NEWS, V 6.0-3
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:16:41 GMT

I hope someone will give me a clue to this - 
	where can I find instructions, either in a newsgroup or
	ftp site, for a VMS NEWS program? I've got access to the
	newsgroups on a limited basis and only have this one
	program. The administration is no help, because it's
	off-site, and there are no help facilities with it.
	Thanks -
		email please.
From: cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung)
Newsgroups: news.software.notes
Subject: ftp accounting software?
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:24:49 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


DEAR ALL!

DOES ANYBODY KNOWS WHICH SITE HAS SOME ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, SUCH AS
"ACCPAC" OR "DACEASY" AVAILABLE FOR FTP?

THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE,
SHIRLEY
From: weave@apache.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Anyone running news on a DG AViiON workstation?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:39:35 -0500
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dtcc.edu

In article <1gt2ndINN366@crcnis1.unl.edu> burchell@cse.unl.edu (David Burchell) writes:
>I want to build a news feed on a Data General AViiON 300
>workstation running DG/UX 5.4.1.  Anyone out there
>built nntp on one?  From what I hear, news _readers_
>have been built, but no actual newsfeed software.

I am running INN 1.2 on an AViiON 4120 w/32 megs memory without any
problems.  I don't remember any issues that caused compliation or
installation problems either.

DG also distributes Cnews binaries on their "contrib" tape for $100, or
you can ftp them from ftp.dg.com along with a lot of other nifty (but out
of date often) software.

-- 
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10% programming consisting of equal parts in systems and applications plus
admin duties broken down into 20% for Unix, 5% PRIMOS, 10% hardware & network, 
35% DOS/Windows, 10% news, 5% postmaster, and 5% babysitting IRC kiddies.
From: nzhang@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Nong Zhang)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: I need ftp site for rn/nn package for RISC 6000
Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:34:05 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

Is there anyone know where to get a 'rn' or 'nn' newsreader to
install on a IBM RISC 6000 or a SUN?
Please send to me at following address:
fxd@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au
Don't send to me on the above address, it's not mine.
Thanks very much in advance.

Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1716 news.software.b:3618
From: cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: accounting software from ftp?
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:18:45 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


DEAR ALL!

DOES ANYBODY KNOWS WHICH SITE HAS SOME ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, SUCH AS
"ACCPAC" OR "DACEASY" AVAILABE FOR FTP??

THANKS FOR ANY REPLY

SHIRLEY
From: tpowell@nic.cerf.net (Thomas A. Powell)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Inn restart after a throttle
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:37:58 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net


 I may be acting like a complete newbie but here goes...

 For various reasons unrelated to this question innd occasionly throttles 
 when I fix the problem and attempt to restart the system using

	ctlinnd go "some reason"

 I invariably get the message wrong reason. I thought reason as in the
 reload command for ctlinnd could be anything??  Anyway I tried using more
 semantically correct reasons like the actual mode printed by the
 ctlinnd, the word throttled, etc.  No luck. 

 Needless to say I have isolated the code used to be around line 466 in cc.c 
 which is in the innd directory.  This is line that does a comparison between
 the 'reason' and the current status as far as I can tell.
 
 I could spend some more time figuring out the 'problem' but maybe I am just 
 doing something wrong. Does anybody have any ideas? Restarting the entire
 news system seems a bit drastic...

		--Thomas
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Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.readers
From: plb@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (peter.l.berghold)
Subject: HELP with NNTP
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:25:40 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: NNTP HP Workstations


Hi,

Has anbody ported the NNTP package to an HP 9000/720 workstation?
I tried, and it is complaining about not being able to locate some 
include files that it wants.  

Please send all replies to my EMAIL address rather than post them
as I don't read news as often as I read my EMAIL....

Thanks,

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From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Inn restart after a throttle
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:09:19 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1hqcv6INN1po@news.cerf.net> tpowell@nic.cerf.net (Thomas A. Powell) writes:
> For various reasons unrelated to this question innd occasionly throttles 
> when I fix the problem and attempt to restart the system using
>	ctlinnd go "some reason"
> I invariably get the message wrong reason. I thought reason as in the
> reload command for ctlinnd could be anything?
No.  The reason must be exactly the same text as why it was throttled.
OR if you use an empty string, as in
	ctlinnd go ''

If you do 'ctlinnd mode' then the first line of output will be something
like
	Server throttled go away -- we're molting
			 ------------------------
The underlined text above is exactly what you must enter in the "go"
command:
	ctlinnd go "go away -- we're molting"

It is important that the reason used for go exactly match the reason
for the server being paused or throttled.  Imagine two scripts run
at nearly the same time, with a "go" command that did no checking"
	ctlinnd pause 'Script 1'
		processing that takes 10 minutes and assumes the
		database is locked.
	ctlinnd go

	ctlinnd pause 'Script 2'
	ctlinnd go
We have now violated script1's lock.

The same reasoning applies to the 'reserve' command.

Hope this helps.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.b
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Adding "nov" support to nntp1.5.11
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:18:25 GMT

rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) wrote:
> I have compiled this but I have not tested it.

I noticed a couple obvious bugs.  I haven't tested it either, though (yet).

> + 	if (argc != 1 & argc != 2) {

This should be '&&', not '&'.

> + 	if (argc == 1) {
> + 		while ((c = getc(fp)) != EOF) {
> + 			if (c == '\n')
> + 				(void) putchar('\n');
> + 			putchar(c);
> + 		}
> + 	}

I assume you meant the putchar('\n') to be a putchar('\r').

..wayne..
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: goh@sun330.snu.ac.kr (Goh Ok-Hee)
Subject: test
Organization: SNU,KOREA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:29:09 GMT


sorry,test
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: goh@sun330.snu.ac.kr (Goh Ok-Hee)
Subject: test
Organization: SNU,KOREA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:41:47 KST


sorry
From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: mail aliases
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:14:08 GMT
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
X-Excuse: X-Copyright wegen Emma, Suedwestpresse und /C'T/DISKUSSIONEN.
X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1992 Kristian Koehntopp -- All rights reserved.
		 Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer,
		 nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem,
		 schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors.

In <1992Dec21.021734.18747@husc3.harvard.edu> kleber@husc11.harvard.edu (Gwydden) writes:
>Our sysadmin seems to have just upgraded to PL18 from PL16 (I assume
>17 and 18 are still unofficial?), and now all of a sudden my init's
>setting mail-alias-explander gives me an "unknown variable" error.
>Help?

My nn is PL 18 and knows about the variable mail-alias-expander
(note the spelling, is it a typo of yours or did you really use
the incorrect name?). I checked for the variable by typing
":set mail-" and then hitting the "?" key.

PL 17 and PL 18 are official, Kim F.Storm has given the right
to stamp patches "official" to Peter Wemm, peter@dialix.oz.au.

Peter has issued PL 19 to 22 (a four part patch due to its
size) to the nn development list today as a gamma release.
There are a few portability issues with compilation on SunOS,
which have been found so far. If PL 19-22 is stable, it will be
officially released to the public in mid january 1993. The new
patch fixes mostly known bugs, cleans up the code and adds
portability to some more platforms (AUX, NeXT, DecStation
Ultrix, DomainOS support improved).

As a special highlight, PL 19 is going to support national
character sets in a primitive, but MIME conformant way and
supports external pagers such as metamail.

Kristian
-- 
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"Convection Machine is a trademark of Thoughtless Machines, Inc., a joint-
 venture of Hot-Air Associates and Air Heads International using vaporware
 from the Neural Network Corporation." -- RFC1217
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: tye@spillman.uucp (E. Tye McQueen)
Subject: ! sends "smcup" too soon after command
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:14:36 GMT
Organization: Spillman Data Systems

I noticed a minor problem with nn 6.4.16 just now.  I apologize if this
is already being fixed.  I couldn't find anything about it in the FAQ.

The "!" command seems to do things in the following order:

    Prompt for the command to execute
    Clear the screen
    Issue the "rmcup" sequence
    Execute the command and wait for it to finish
    Issue the "smcup" sequence
    Prompt with "!" (in reverse video), waiting for a RETURN
    Redraw the screen, putting you back were you started

The problem is that the "smcup" sequence should not be sent until
*after* the user taps RETURN at the "!" prompt.

As it is, doing "!who" from an Xterm session pops back to the "main"
screen which can be scrolled, shows who is logged in, then immediately
pops back to the blank non-scrolling screen to prompt me with a "!".
So I can't see the list of who is logged in that I just asked for.

You can work around this by changing smcup and rmcup to not send
\E[?47l and \E[?47h, but that disables a feature that is nice to have
for most other full-screen programs.

Also note that if you change this you need to be careful and not
introduce a bug that some versions of vi have where issuing several
commands in a row causes "rmcup" to be sent multiple times which (on
some versions of Xterm) almost seems to get the "main," scrolling
screen confused with the non-scrolling, "full-screen editor" screen.

So the sequence should be something like:

    Prompt for the command to execute
    Clear the screen
    Issue the "rmcup" sequence
    Do
        Execute the command and wait for it to finish
        Prompt with "!" (in reverse video), waiting for a RETURN
    Until they don't enter a command at the above prompt
    Issue the "smcup" sequence
    Redraw the screen, putting you back were you started

So that the `clear screen' and `Issue "rmcup"' steps are not done
after you enter a second command to be executed.

Thanks,
 tye@spillman.com                         Tye McQueen, E.
----------------------------------------------------------
 Nothing is obvious unless you are overlooking something. 
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: mtc@technet.macom.com (Matthew Cilento)
Subject: nn on HP730 HP-UX 8.07
Summary: Didn't find answer in FAQ. 
Keywords: help posting groups nn question netnews
Reply-To: mtc@technet.macom.com
Organization: M/A-COM, Inc.
Distribution: news.software.nn
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:40:42 GMT

I've managed to compile nn 6.4.0 on an HP 730 running HP-UX 8.07 with a bit
of assistance. Now that I've got it installed I need to apply the patches
but I'm stuck. Here's the deal. I have no articles in the database so nn
reports "No News (is good news)". I was planning to run :patch from within nn
but as you can see, I can't get in. I've tried nn -X and various other
parameters to no avail. I've read the FAQ, the INSTALLATION and PROBLEMS files
that accompany the distribution.. I've tried to use nnpost and postnews to
get an article into nn but I get nowhere. Using postnews I get the following
error message:
defhdrs.awk: no Subject: header!
The actual file is this (which does have a subject header):

Newsgroups: macom
Subject: test post to local group

test post using postnews command to local group
HPUX 8.07
HP730
OLD_AWK defined

What gives?
MTC


Any clues as to what's wrong?  Any hints, suggestions appreciated.
Regards,
Matt

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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp)
Subject: Re: Save consolidated menu selections
X-Excuse: X-Copyright wegen Emma, Suedwestpresse und /C'T/DISKUSSIONEN.
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:58:42 GMT
X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1992 Kristian Koehntopp -- All rights reserved.
		 Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer,
		 nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem,
		 schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors.

In <1h8cioINNibh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) writes:
>Howdy, Im having a problem in that when I select a subject that has been folded
>into itself by using consolidated-menu mode.  When I go to save said subject,
>it only save's the first article in the bunch, and I want it to save them all,
>Ive played a bit with save-closed-mode but with no luck.  Has anyone else out
>there gotten this to work?

I have save-closed-mode set to 14, that is "save all articles
in this subject" (4) and "ask with selected mode as default"
(10) combined.

I selected the first subject of a fold with 8 articles in it
and when I hit "S" and "b" I was prompted with a selector and
the default value "all articles", just as I had it configured.
When I looked into the file, there were 8 articles in it.

I am using nn 6.4 PL 18 on a NeXTstation and on Interactive
UNIX/386 2.2.1.

Kristian
-- 
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"Convection Machine is a trademark of Thoughtless Machines, Inc., a joint-
 venture of Hot-Air Associates and Air Heads International using vaporware
 from the Neural Network Corporation." -- RFC1217
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: FTP site for 'nn'
From: cap@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (Chris Pilewski)
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:34:06 GMT
Organization: UPMC

Hi,

I am fed-up with rn and, I have decided to try 'nn.'  Could someone
please post an FTP site that has the source?

						- Thanks in advance

  \\/////// ---------------------------------------------------------------
  |  " "  |	Christopher Pilewski
  |  > O  |	pil@med.pitt.edu		cap8@unix.cis.pitt.edu
  |   L   |	cap@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu
  | \___/ |	(412) 648-8157
  \_______/ ---------------------------------------------------------------
From: thole@cs.rulimburg.nl (Johan Thole)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: long .newsrc truncated by nn?
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:18:44 GMT
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht

Hello,

we have experienced a problem with nn 6.4.16 here. When the .newsrc
contains a lot of groups (appr. 1400, of which a lot are unsubscribed) nn
will start to act strange. It will truncate the .newsrc at a random point.

Did we hit an internal limit here? If so, what can be done to prevent this,
other than including (tidy-newsrc) in the init-file? Do the patches 17 and
18 solve this problem?

Could you send your replies via email, as I am not around until January?
Of course I will summarize.

Thanks in advance,

Johan Thole.
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: ftp accounting software?
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:20:30 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


DEAR ALL!

DOES ANYBODY KNOWS WHICH SITE HAS SOME ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, SUCH AS
"ACCPAC" OR "DACEASY" AVAILABLE FOR FTP TRANSFER?

ANY REPLY WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED!
SHIRLEY
Newsgroups: news.software.nn