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From: netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc)
Subject: Re: DCI on PBS
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:42:34 GMT

In article <8dsaZfq00iV14_21RV@andrew.cmu.edu>, df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky) writes:
> Yeah.  Just loved that 1985 telecast.  I believe that was the broadcast
> where a special effect was aiming the camera at the business end of a
> drum in the pit.  You couldn't really see anything except for a vague
> shadow, and probably missed a lot of cool drill in the process.

The lowest moment I've ever witnessed in the DCI coverage is 1984 in Atlanta
when the TV director decided that 9-12 seconds' worth of tight close up on the
hand siren in Garfield's West Side Story was the thing to do. Perhaps I'm
missing something (I've been going to nationals for about 10 years), but I
can't find anything at all interesting about cranking technique for a hand
siren. Perhaps some of the PitMeisters out there can clue us in.

Anyhow, the coverage completely missed Garfield's Z-pull to a full company
front. It's almost as nice a manuver as the company front on the closer,
Tonight.

I saw a lot of shows that summer; I think that the Blue Devils truly nailed
their finals performance. Garfield won in '84, but the BD show is the one that
goes down as one of my top 6 shows (along with '87 Garfield and '87 SCV).

I heard a rumor that SCV was going to do Magic Pants again this summer. Can
anyone confirm?

> deej.

--phil
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Intercorps relations
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:08:25 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr11.181845.29076@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>With all the discussion about competition, I thought I'd share one of my
>favorite experiences in corps.
>
>1988, Severeville, TN.  Show time.  Thunderstorm from hell.
>SCV was staying in the school was using the gym to work the horn line.  We
>(Madison) headed in for shelter.  The staffs thought it might be fun to
>put the lines together and play a bit.  We sang and then played through
>"You'll Never Walk Alone".  It was really moving.  After that, each line
>went up onto opposite balconies (the gym is a dome type design) and played
>show excerpts for the other.  Needless to say, it was awesome to hear them
>play for us, and I think fair to say they enjoyed our performance as well.
>That experience brought us together as organizations.  The show did eventually
>go on, and we got slaughtered.  No one cared.  For us, the best part of the
>evening happened in that gym.
>
>Dave
>-- 
>University of Wisconsin-Madison
>Department of Nuclear Engineering and Engineering Physics
>Plasma Source Ion Implantation Project
>Division of Slave Labor

I had a similar experience when I marched Cavaliers in 1984.  We were
competing in Michigan City, IN and after the contest, we formed a huge
semi-circle in the field next to the stadium with Santa Clara (also).
We lined up every other person shoulder to shoulder and played some
chord progressions together.  We then played parts of our show for each
other.  It was really awesome and made me realize we are all a part of
the same extended family.  Does SCV make a point of doing this with 
every corps or is it just coincidence?  Inquiring minds want to know ;-)

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: uniform question
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:22:16 GMT
Reply-To: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

In article 1@runt.appstate.edu, grs01146@runt.appstate.edu () writes:
>
>
>one of my best friends and i (we drummajored for rival high schools, marched 
>dci together, march in college together, are both music majors, are brothers of
>Kappa Kappa Psi and we work in show design currently) have a running argument
>about a very insignificant aspect of the "marching" activity concerning
>
>	
>	I say that spats worn on the feet of the performers attracts attention
>to that area just as gauntlets or plumes would to their respective areas.  
>Therefore i feel like spats would indicate exposure of individual and ensemble
>marching technique rather than my friend who theorises that spat hide marching
>technique.
>
>He quotes DCI announcer Rondinaro as the source for this comment and i cannot
>believe it.  Can someone find this reference for me?
>
>the only situation that i see where spats would hide technique is in the rare
>occaision that the color of the spats matches the color of the trousers...

I can't belive it either. I've always thought that any highlite on a uniform
can cause exposure. Plumes, gauntlets, stripes on the pnat sides and spats.
Especially things that move a lot like spats.

I a start-up core I helped teach we changed the black pants with orange
stripes and white shoes to just black pants and shoes. Didn't look as
good but it sure covered a multitude of sins that were easilly spotted.
Especially in a night.

The basic rule was "I you got it, flaunt it. If you don't, hide it."



Mick

Old SCV. Back when you had to carry Everything on the field. Including the
flag.....(when men were men.. etc)
From: scmario@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIO FIERRO)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Bluecoats
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.9APR199207532370
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Richard Lapham posted that he was in the Bluecoats of Canton, Ohio, and 
wanted to know if else still existed.  They do!  I was in the corps in 1977 
and 1978 when we were led by a guy known as "Sparky".  I have not been in a 
corps since and have not heard any news of them.  I don't even remember our 
repertoire except for some tunes from "Porgy and Bess", "Carmina Burana", 
"Hungarian Dances #4 and #5" and "New York, New York".  Those were good 
times.  I am now living in Cleveland would love to hear from you.

Mario
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mikeq@sequent.com (Mike Quillen)
Subject: Re: Intercorps relations
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.080826.11117@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.181845.29076@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>>With all the discussion about competition, I thought I'd share one of my
>>favorite experiences in corps.
>>
>>1988, Severeville, TN.  Show time.  Thunderstorm from hell.
>>SCV was staying in the school was using the gym to work the horn line.  We
>>(Madison) headed in for shelter.  The staffs thought it might be fun to
>>put the lines together and play a bit.  We sang and then played through
>>"You'll Never Walk Alone".  It was really moving.  After that, each line
>>went up onto opposite balconies (the gym is a dome type design) and played
>>show excerpts for the other.  Needless to say, it was awesome to hear them
>>play for us, and I think fair to say they enjoyed our performance as well.
>>That experience brought us together as organizations.  The show did eventually
>>go on, and we got slaughtered.  No one cared.  For us, the best part of the
>>evening happened in that gym.
>>
>>Dave
>>-- 
>>University of Wisconsin-Madison
>>Department of Nuclear Engineering and Engineering Physics
>>Plasma Source Ion Implantation Project
>>Division of Slave Labor
>
>I had a similar experience when I marched Cavaliers in 1984.  We were
>competing in Michigan City, IN and after the contest, we formed a huge
>semi-circle in the field next to the stadium with Santa Clara (also).
>We lined up every other person shoulder to shoulder and played some
>chord progressions together.  We then played parts of our show for each
>other.  It was really awesome and made me realize we are all a part of
>the same extended family.  Does SCV make a point of doing this with 
>every corps or is it just coincidence?  Inquiring minds want to know ;-)
>

This also reminds me of the Concord show in '80. This was the year that
Jim Ott was killed in an auto wreck (He arranged much of the early BD 
shows and the Commodores). Our horn line (BD), SVC, Freelancers, and the
Mandarins (correct me if I left anyone out) got together and played a
very moving Naval hymn that Jim had arranged. Although I was playing, you
could tell that the sound was just awesome.  We played it twice. The first
time we played it like Jim would want it played. The second time, we
played it so he could hear it.

mikeq
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: A60 classification
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:59:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.091310.12218@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	Anyways, I received a number of messages from people asking me what
>A60 meant?  Well, drum corps in North America (a distinction must be made
>between drum corps from other countries as they work by different rules) is
>divided into three divisions.  Excluding senior corps, they are the open class,
>the A class, and the A-60 class.  (I think that at the last DCI convention,
>the delegates who attended voted to rename the three divisions as divisions
>I, II, and III.  Can anyone support this statement?  I can't find my DCW!)

Yes.  This is true.

>	TRIVIA QUESTION:  Who won the title in the A and A-60 divisions
>over the last, say, five years?

I'm going to cheat by looking at my DCI calendar ...

          A           A-60
1987    Ventures    Mandarins
1988    L'Insolite  Mandarins
1989    Ventures    Blue Stars
1990    Ventures    Academie Musicale
1991    Southwind   Pioneers

-- Donald
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:20:51 GMT

In article <46JU02Sf10eV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.185432.7284@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr15.121140.2358@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>>In article <1b0G026M10pT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
>>>> In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>>>>>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)
>>>> 
>>>> Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
>>>> of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
>>>> that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
>>>> geometric design.
>>>
>>>It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
>>>drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
>>>this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
>>>form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?
>>>
>>> - Jay
>>
>>I'm pretty sure it was the 1986 Blue Devils show.  I have it on
>>tape somewhere.  After the drawing on the screen, Steve Rondinero (sp?)
>>said, "John Madden's got nothing on you."
>>
>>-- Donald
> 
> And the winner is
> 
> It was 1987 in Kansas City and the show was the Blue  Devils.
> 
> Michael Cesario said (among other things) tic-tac-to that will
> build into several wedges
> 
> [...]
> 
> solid-form solid-form out of liniar form.
> 
> Between the three of us we would have one great mind.
> 
> Neil

True, and if I had noticed the BD in your first message I wouldn't
have made a fool of myself with the Cavies remark; I mean, what was
I thinking?  Cavies doing something that asymetrical?!?!?!  :-)

I'm just glad I got the quote right.

 - jay
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:23:28 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr16.165607.20709@talon.ucs.orst.edu> cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook) writes:
>>>I'm pretty sure it was the 1986 Blue Devils show.  I have it on
>>>tape somewhere.  After the drawing on the screen, Steve Rondinero (sp?)
>>>said, "John Madden's got nothing on you."
>>>
>>>-- Donald
>>
>>And the winner is
>>
>>It was 1987 in Kansas City and the show was the Blue  Devils.
>>
>>Neil
>
>There is just one mistake here.  In '87 DCI was in Madison.  I guess you
>either got your cities mixed up, or your years.
>					-Marietta

Oops, I got caught.  I was to lazy not to mention I didn't have
the time to watch all of '86  and '87 last night so I just scanned
to find the BD shows.  I saw a sign posted on the back side of the
field that said Kansas City.  It was probably a sign announcing
the next year.

What has impressed me in this discussion is that we remember so much
about shows that happened years ago.  Drum Corps really does leave
a lasting memory.

Neil
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: PS. altered CDs
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:09:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.001423.9391@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>
>	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
>                 designs into their program?
>

Hmmmm.  There might be an ambiguity here.  Do you mean pictures/forms
that were placed asymmetrically on the field, asymmetric movement, or
asymmetric forms?  I believe there are three different answers to
the question depending on the interpretation of the phrase "asymmetrical
drill design".

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland)
Subject: johanna
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:07:53 GMT

My mistake, obviously our freind johanna is very much the scholar in  
music, and there is no way I could or probably ever want to match 8 years  
of theory.  I was a bit rash towards her in my last post.

If she is so upset at the treatment of music by the various corps, why  
does she complain to a posting of people who can do nothing to remedy the  
situation, or may not want to.

	Write to the corps director, better yet write to the person who is  
writing the book for that corps.  Some of the arrangers in DCI are  
geniuses, whose aim is that the kids who march and the crowd are educated  
in new and different types of music.  Some of the writers out there are  
really trying to retain the musical integrity of what the composer has  
created, while working within the constrictive web of rules, time limits,  
crowd response, and scoring also.  This is a cumbersome harness to throw  
over art, but the benifits at least I think outweigh the sacrifice.

	I apologize for the attack I made upon you Johanna, it was one  
made hastily.  AT the same time let me and the others enjoy drum corps  
without feeling like a great crime is being committed against the  
composers.  I do not always dig what makes it onto the field, well then  
thats a good time to get a hot dog.  The last thing I want to do is ruin  
some one elses fun.  If you don't like it, I am sorry, alot of good people  
really put their hearts into those shows.  Don't denounce them, just turn  
the channel.

	I would love to talk to you privately if you want to mail me here  
at maryland on my e-mail.  take care.

NATE
CBC '91
U of Maryland
Music Education
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: performances in the MidAtlantic region...
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:43:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.134614.4606@vaxeline.ftp.com>, kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
> In article <92100.212400MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu> MXC117@psuvm.psu.edu (mary carpenter) writes:
>>*sigh* I've been stuck in Central PA for so long... And it's been a long time
>>since I've seen a LIVE drumcorps show.  Can anyone give me a list of
>>dates for performances this summer somewhere in the Midatlantic region.
>>I'm in the mood to roadtrip.  (If you don't know any, could you give me
>>some direction as to where I could find out...)
>>
> 		There is usually a show in Westchester PA, and there is AlWAYS 
> a DCI East show in Allentown PA. I think the Allentown show is only about a
> week before nationals this year!

DCI East in Allentown, PA is on August 1, the same day as DCI South
in Jackson, Miss.  

East got the better slate if you ask me;  Cadets, Star, Crossmen, SCV.
South has;   Cavaliers, PR, Blue Devils, Scouts.

The latest DCI Today had this and some other tour date info.

 - jay
From: v059kzrj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seth Reichelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bridgemen 1978?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:22:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr9.182601.5538@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes...
>In article <83502@bu.edu> huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang) writes:
>>Wow, a drum corps newsgroup!!! And some Bridgemen related articles!!!
>>I was a Bayonne Bridgemen in 1982. We played (1) Theme from "Shaft"
>>(2) Sophisticated Ladies (3) Drum Solo (4) On Broadway (5) NewYork,
>>New York. If anyone remembers this I will be shocked!!!
> 
>Yup, I was there - it *snowed* on us during our rehearsal time in
>Montreal stadium.  BD's show in '82 also should rank as one of the
>tops of all time.  There lead soprano line was just tits.  It's hard
>to believe it was ~30 degrees out when I listen to the albumn.
> 
>What the hell happened to the Bridgeman over the next couple years.
>They really went down the tubes.  It seemed like they had a lot of
>turn-over or something - really young corps in 83-85ish.  Did someting
>happen in the organization or what?
>--
>Harry Koehnemann

 well harry i'll tell you what happened.
  the people in charge sucked
  there was bus rolling down hills and crashing into walls
  people in charge have bad trips and going home
  some staff on drugs (not all)
  MURK ( did you ever hear of him back then)
  horn line sucked 
  people in charge would lose money

  but it still was a great summer 

        KING
 P.S. Was pumkin around back then
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: PS. altered CDs
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:14:23 GMT


	I believe the recording of Phantom Regiment on the 1991 audio
recordings was from semifinals.  I was at finals and I am pretty sure that
the sop soloist during the Pagliacci piece cracked a few times, which
wasn't on the CD's that I bought.

	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
                 designs into their program?





Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu

:)
From: scmario@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIO FIERRO)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Bluecoats
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.16APR199209252903
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I noticed that someone posted a show schedule that included Blue Devils, 
Scouts, SCV, et. al., and BLUECOATS!  What's going on?  Are the Bluecoats 
now of championship caliber?  Or, was the poster a former member, as I was? 
Are there other former or current members in netland?

Mario
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Subject: Re: DCI on PBS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.174234.8629@csn.org>, netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc) writes:
|> The lowest moment I've ever witnessed in the DCI coverage is 1984 in Atlanta
|> when the TV director decided that 9-12 seconds' worth of tight close up on the
|> hand siren in Garfield's West Side Story was the thing to do. Perhaps I'm
|> missing something (I've been going to nationals for about 10 years), but I
|> can't find anything at all interesting about cranking technique for a hand
|> siren. Perhaps some of the PitMeisters out there can clue us in.
|> 
|> Anyhow, the coverage completely missed Garfield's Z-pull to a full company
|> front. It's almost as nice a manuver as the company front on the closer,
|> Tonight.

Hey, gimme some credit - I worked all summer on that damned siren. It was the
same Z-pull from '83 anyway. You didn't miss anything. :)

-Aaron

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gap5444@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg A. Priddy)
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Apr 1992 17:59 EST  

In article <1992Apr15.041139.1178@news2.cis.umn.edu>, plorch@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch) writes...
> 
>As another Minnesotan (and a member of the Minnesota Marching Band) I would
>like nothing more than th see a DCI World Championship held in the Twin Cities.
>The place has shown that it is capable of handling big events. But the only
>problem is the Twin Cities lacks the facilities to host the actual show.  There
>is no stadium in Minneapolis or St. Paul that is big enough or "proper" to
>hold a big drum corps show.
>
>						Pat Lorch
>						U of M Marching Saxes
>						Minnesota Brass Inc. Guard
> 

Didn't the Vikings play somewhere else before they migrated to the Metrodome?
Not near the Twin Cities, perhaps?  Maybe not near any large city?

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Subject: education vs winning
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:59:27 CDT
Keywords: drum corps and edu.

Everyone in the activity WANTS to win.  Anyone with even a mild competitive
streak in them, anyway.  It's up to the staff to try to keep things in 
perspective and realize that the most important things are what you learn,
the freinds you make, and the performances you give.  Entertainment and
achievement generally go hand in hand.  Work hard, perform well, and all
the rewards you need will come from within.  

Drum corps is a great musical, social and personal learning experience.  It
is also family for some members.  To see a kid from a broken home with a
life going downhill come into a corps and leave with improved self esteem,
social values, and a positve outlook on life must be a thrill for every
director.  There are precious few activities that teach so much and offer
such great experiences to young people.

Dave