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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: post your field prices (was: Fixed amount of paint)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:33:31 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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>> To give you an idea of costs.  Normal green fees is $25.  Filling a 7 oz
>> costs $4-5 and about half of the fields still ban carry-on paint.  Field
>> can costs $18 for a 100 to a bargin price of $150 a case.  On average, NJ
>> fields are more liberal and fairer in prices than NY fields.  Its cheaper for
>> me to drive 3 hours to Wolf's Lair (now known as Adventure World) than to play
>> at some of the local NY fields.  Go figure.

>	HOLY SMOKES!!!  Where have you been playing???  Maybe it's just that I
>live in Utah, but the field I play at quotes prices a third to half of the ones
>you listed!  IPPA members play for $10, non-members - %15.  A 7oz fill is 3
>dollars, and if your group buys paint as a group, paint is a MAX of $7 for 100
>rounds.  And on the price of a case of paint, I've seen it as low as $85 a
>case, (tack on some for shipping) and no, it wasn't Cal-Mag!

Where I usually play:  $5 field fee, $3 7-12oz, $5 20oz, paint $0.04-$0.05
per ball depending on brand by the case, about $6/100 in bags, carry on
paint allowed at no additional charge.  Now there is a hugh (320 acres)
field that I like better, but they only allow carry on paint, and the best
they get is $0.09 a painteball.  Not surprisingly, they are wondering why
so few people come back...

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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN on typhoon
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:35:42 GMT

In article <0f2mcC_00iUyA9fn1r@andrew.cmu.edu> Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>This is in response to the comments made about the typhoon and autococker:
>    The typhoon and the Autococker are based on the exactly the same
>system and are of exactly the same level of complexity.  Both have a

This makes sense but doesn't explain the fact that in a full day's play,
the guy with the Typhoon never had to fiddle with his gun and the (many)
guys with auto-cocker's seemed to more or less constantly fiddle with
theirs.  This, of course, is in no way a scientific sample (:-) so I'll
defer to your greater experience.

>three stage trigger pull that actuates first the firing of the gun then
>air to push the ram back and then to push it forward.  That is a full
>cycle and it is the same in each gun, the illusion of more complexity in
>the Auto-cocker is that the cocking block and rod are on the outside
>rather than the inside.  There are both advantages and disadvantages to
>this but the amount of moving parts remains the same.  I can say however
>that the rate of fire in the typhoon is considerably slower than that of
>the Auto-cocker.

This I'll have to disagree with... :-)  Again, in that same day the Typhoon
consistently out hosed all of the auto-cockers.  IMO, the difference was
irrelevant because both of them shot extremely fast.  It could be just that
the typhoon was having an exceptionally great day and the auto-cockers were
having a poor day but...

Thanks for the info,
		John
		johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:48:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.210722.2481@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>It's a poor idea in some respects because many people who operate fields make
>their money off paint sales.  The field that we use in central iowa operates

True.  Hosers won't be too fond of this game either.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:45:50 -0500 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IRONMAN on typhoon

This is in response to the comments made about the typhoon and autococker:
    The typhoon and the Autococker are based on the exactly the same
system and are of exactly the same level of complexity.  Both have a
three stage trigger pull that actuates first the firing of the gun then
air to push the ram back and then to push it forward.  That is a full
cycle and it is the same in each gun, the illusion of more complexity in
the Auto-cocker is that the cocking block and rod are on the outside
rather than the inside.  There are both advantages and disadvantages to
this but the amount of moving parts remains the same.  I can say however
that the rate of fire in the typhoon is considerably slower than that of
the Auto-cocker.
    The Typhoon is made by Glen Palmer of Palmer's Pursuit shop near
Sacramento Ca.

        Zander of the IRONMEN
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From: bcetnar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Blake Cetnar)
Subject: Re: Tippman SL-68II for Sale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:36:23 GMT

In article <gt1158.28jy@terapin.com> gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
writes:
>In article <1536@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, jhblank@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM
>(Joey H. Blankenship) writes:
>>I have an SL-68II for sale for $200.  I am including the Allen Wrench Kit, th
e
>>owner's manual, a 150+ bulk loader, and a homemade silencer which works very,
>>very well.  Also included is the cable squeegee which comes with all SL-68IIs
.
>>
>
>'Sup!!
> A friend of mine is interrested in buying his first gun and I suggested a
>Tippmann since I LOVE my Pro/Am. He's really considering a SL-68II, but thw
>place where I bought my Pro/Am (DRACO) sells new SL-68 II's with tanks, allen
>wrench's, cable squeegie, (no silencer) for $190.
>But if you could lower your price...
>
>
>
>        KEEP
>              THOSE
>                     BALLS
>                            FLYING!!!

Good Choice!!
For a pump gun you can turn the SL-68II into a great machine.
I have a SL-68II with a 22", (yup, I said 22!), brass barrel; and lighted daisy
sight.  The gun works equally well in all temperatures and I've NEVER had any 
mechanical problems with it in the 2 PLUS YEARS I'VE HAD IT!  Accuarcy is great
and it very rarely breaks a ball, (not to mention shot just about any type of 
paint...hey, it's a Tippman).  The only bad things are: 1) Don't use a siphon 
tank as it winds up using about half a 7oz. per game.   2) Don't use the 
factory barrel,  it's inaccurate as hell!  3) Autotrigger doesn't work too 
well, ( the range and velocity decrease by half when you do it.)
4)  No matter what barrel you use it doesn't cut through the weeds too well.

Hope this helps.
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Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
From: apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:07:22 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Nov17.222324.14330@netcom.com>, albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.142001.2373@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>>What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
>>have a limited amount of paint for each person playing. (Say.. 40 balls 
>>per round?)
>>
>>Opinions?
> 
> It would be really cheaper to play. ^_^  No more hose-ball either.
> -- 

It's a poor idea in some respects because many people who operate fields make
their money off paint sales.  The field that we use in central iowa operates
like this and the person who operates the field does paintball as a full time
job so limiting paint use cuts into his profits and if he goes out of business
we are stuck with the competetors fields which we aren't really thrilled with.
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program

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From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: A Shameless PLUG!
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.183422.4029@wkuvx1.bitnet>, hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> 
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> 
> I have had the distinct pleasure of talking with John Hamilton of
> Hamilton Hobbies over the past couple of days and let me be the first
> or second to say "his prices are awesome". How about a PMI Trracer w/
> 7 oz. tank for $115. I couldn't find a better price anywhere.
> 
> So, if you are looking to purchase a gun or some paint give John a
> yell here on the newsgroup and tell him to send you a price list.
> 
> An Innocent Plug!
> 
> Joey Hargis
> Hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
  I got one of their prices lists and I have to agree that the prices are
great.  I have been thinking of buying a Automag and can't find a better price. 
I am reluctant to spend that kind of money unless I know more.  Has anyone
purchased a gun (especially an Automag) from them and were you satisfied?  I
hear that Automags are scarce these days and I don't want to wait a couple of
months to receive one after I place the order.  I have been tempted to buy an
Automag from DRACO (I called a couple of days ago and they do have them in
stock).  I have used them in the past and been very satisfied.  I noticed a
couple of other netters have mentioned DRACO.  What are peoples experiences
with them?  Since "shameless plugs" is the subject, what are peoples
experiences with other companys (good or bad)?

Walt Edwards    
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:59:54 -0500 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IRONMAN on remotes

   A long metal braid hose against the body from a remotely held
vertical 20 oz. is the absolute best set up for cold weather play.  An
expansion chamber at the gun and bottle end helps even more.  I suggest
a nylon mesh shirt to run the hose under to keep it against your body.
    Yes there is a quick release available but it is expensive.  The
only place I know to get one would be Smart Parts Inc. in the Pittsburgh
PA. area.  They also have ads in all the mags.  I know that they use the
releases on their guns but I do not know if they aare distributers of
the quick release.

        Zander of the IRONMEN
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: A Shameless PLUG!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:53:48 GMT


I totally agree.

Buy! buy! buy!

Let's help him run all the bloodsuckers out of the sport!


Aaron Gillum
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:41:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Nov17.004133.2116
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1e8tn1INN36o@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>My Pro-Am has had its share of teething problems (sear/trigger springs, 
>foregrip,o-rings) but Tippman has been totally helpful in getting my 
>problems solved.  I called them up on a monday and had parts by friday.  
>That is what I call service.  Range and accuracy are good with the stock 
>barrel, but is killer with a Smart parts rifled barrel.  I am almost on 
>equal ground with auto-cockers, and have the range on automags, pmi/vms, 

Can you tell me a little bit more about the smart parts barrel for the
Pro-Am?  
As for the foregrip, send Tippmann $8 to cover shipping and handling and
they'll send out the aluminium alloy forearms.  I'm not sure, but I think
Tippmann switched back to the aluminium forear because some of the
Pro Am I see on the field (with a serial # later than mine) have the aluminium
ones instead.
On Prodigy, someone annouced that Paintball Sport of Maryland came out with
a powerfeed (just like Auto-Mag, and approved by AGD) for the Pro-Am.

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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:11:27 GMT

In article <36740006@hpmwmat1.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>/ hpmwmat1:rec.sport.paintball / Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu> /  8:07 pm  Nov 15, 1992 /
>Dont get any they are all too much work.
>----------
>
>
>	Why do you say that?  I'm really curious since I'm thinking about
>	a semi these days.... do they break a lot?  Are they a pain
>	to repair?
>
>	What about the Automag?
>

uffice it to say that semi auto's are a step up in terms of complexity.
The average Nelson pump type is simple compared to semi's. ^_^  No, they
don't break alot, a semi might need more tinkering to get things going ok,
though.  Easy to repair?  Depends what breaks, I guess.  Most problems I
have had are broken air lines inside of my 68-Special, other than that,
just clean them when you get back from the field and away you go. ^_^
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From: U53718@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: looking for places in central Illinois or St. Louis
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:20:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.102029U53718
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


Have you ever heard of Challenge Park in Joliet? Although I have only played
on a few fields, many of people I speak to say it's one of the best in the
Midwest. If I am not mistaken, they hosted the Midwest Championships a year
or two ago. The field is extremely large with approximately 12 playing fields.
There are 2 story forts, bunkers and trenches on various fields, and there is
a creek that runs through many of the fields which must be crossed in order
to get to your opponents fort. There are several bridges which make for good
firefights in order to get across. The people who run the field are very
professional and I believe most of the refs are certified. They rent pumps
as well as semi's, most people who play on this field play with semi's.
Challenge Park is also the home of "The Farside". Games are supposed to start
at 9:00 with registration at 8:00, but most of the time, due to the number of
people, it may not start till 10:00. Play ends at 5:00. Depending on what you
bring or don't bring, cost can be extremely low. I own my own equipment, so
I only pay $2.00 to rent goggles and that's it. There's much more, but I think
I've told you enough to get excited!! This coming up weekend their having some
special blowout or something, I'll try to post it later.

Challenge Park
North Lake Store: (708) 531-1413
Joliet Store:     (815) 729-1332


You can call their stores for more info.


Whew!
Alex at UIC

If anybody goes, please tell me what you think!
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From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Is there a place to play in South Florida?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:50:03 GMT

I'm considering a job offer in South Florida.  Naturally, I must consider
ALL of the important factors before accepting this and moving.  So,
considering one important factor, is there a place to play in the 
West Palm/Bocca/Ft. Lauderdale area?

Glenn

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From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: How to refill air bottles
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:33:53 GMT

  Ok, really silly question, but it's not entirely obvious. You own your 
own gun and you're running out of air at the field. Do you keep spare bottles
on you, or in the car, or will all the good fields refill it for you. If
so, how much do they charge? Or do they swap out the bottles? Or .....
Inquiring minds want to know.

-David

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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: PMI-III or a pump?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:16:07 GMT

I've found the stock Sl-68 to be horrid. I played with one at a field (rental) 
and I was amazed to watch paint come out of the barrel and make 45 degree 
turns.

Aaron Gillum
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: How to refill air bottles
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:23:03 GMT

In article <Bxv1KI.7qq@world.std.com> kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar) write
s:
>  Ok, really silly question, but it's not entirely obvious. You own your
>own gun and you're running out of air at the field. Do you keep spare bottles
>on you, or in the car, or will all the good fields refill it for you. If
>so, how much do they charge? Or do they swap out the bottles? Or .....
>Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>-David
>

 You get to keep your own bottles. I've seen prices from $2 to $5 for a 7 oz.

Aaron Gillum
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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: BlackRain & other questions ...HELP!
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.111108.25918@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:

>>BTW I have a TASO silencer on my stock barrel, people are really impressed
>>with how quiet the gun is.  It is well worth the 20 bucks.  Also my solution
>>for a spooged barrel is.... change barrels.  Much faster :)
>
>spooged???

Ya painted, gummed, slimed, broke a ball.  I started carrying an extra barrel
on the field after I broke one ball this weekend (out of 1/2 case)  Um.. a 
shorty barrel might just be the thing for this.  As for ball breakage with
my AutoMag I have broken a total of 4 balls having shot 2 1/2 cases through
it.  

Bjs "Wishing for a Paintball Store to Open near Him"




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From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: nearly free games in Maryland
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:52:17 GMT


The owner of the Paintball Pro Shop (410-789-1142) just south of
Baltimore, Maryland, has been hosting
informal games all year.  He's got permission to use a large wooded area
in Anne Arundel County.  It's free to play, but you must pay for paint and
air (you can use your own paint).  He is willing to loan a limited number
of guns and goggles on a FCFS basis.
  Normally, about 15 people play.  If you're in the area (Hopkins, UMD,
etc) and interested, give him a call.  They play year round, either
Saturdays or Sundays.
  Check out his prices, too... for non-mail order, they're quite reasonable.
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From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:01:33 GMT
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In article 18NOV199214505531@zeus.tamu.edu, wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.) writes:
>>What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
>>have a limited amount of paint for each person playing. (Say.. 40 balls 
>>per round?)
>
>This gives people with semis a chance to enjoy their guns, but they also have to 
>know how to shoot instead of just spray and pray. 

With the quality of some of the lesser brands of paint, it is sometimes
necessary to shoot 10 rds just to get one to go where you aim it.  Turdo
comes to mind.

What I propose is to use 10rd. sticks with a 240rd. limit.  That way
you can rock n roll if needed but only 10 rds worth before having
to reload. PLUS, you would know what personal resources a real groundpounder
would have to work with.  THAT would be fun.  It would add realism to certain 
game scenarios, such as hostage rescue, sabotage raids, splat the king...etc...


>It would put a balance back in the game that it has been rapidly losing. 

I don't know about that, as a well placed sniper can wax a fire team easily.
My proposal would solve the problems you mentioned.
Just the tactics have changed.

>This way all players would be competitive, not just those with the most money. >(especially newbies and occasional players)

A seasoned player with a pump will most likely paint newbies with semis, and the
sometimes player also. 


Danimal

ADG
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:51:48 -0500 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: typhoon postscript 

Oh yeah,
    I know the guy who makes this gun personally and he based his design
on the Sheridan KP-3 rifle and has only gone to his own materials to
reduce the cost of buying their gun which he still does for the valving.
 The idea that this gun is any less an adaptation that the Auto-cocker
is ubsurd.  Once again the rate of fire in the Auto-cocker is insanely
faster, I go up agaist typhoons all the time and those players can
attest to that.


        Zander of the IRONMEN

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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: A Shameless PLUG!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:50:45 GMT

When did I ever call all shops bloodsuckers? By bloodsuckers, I meant big 
companies (no names) that probably have 500 PMI's in stock and still sell them 
for $450 (Hoaky price, but just an example).

Unfortunately, some people are still naive enought to buy overpriced items. If
enough people like you, John, get into the market; it can only do the sport
good.

Ok, how 'bout a 10% discount for that Shameless plug? =)
Aaron Gillum

PS No, John isn't giving discounts for shameless plugs. I was making a joke. I 
don't even want to get that rumor started.