HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "Jeffery Capt. Shue" <mclno@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: <none> (was tanks in
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:34:45 GMT


From "Jeffery Capt. Shue" <mclno@oasys.dt.navy.mil>


In sci.military, patrick.eves@canrem.com (Patrick Eves) writes:
>From Patrick Eves <patrick.eves@canrem.com>
>
>JC>I don't think the MEUs are deploying with a tank platoon anymore. In
>JC>there place the MEUs are attaching a reinforced Light Armored Infantry
>JC>platoon. I'm not sure of the LAI platoon's exact composition.
>
>Howdy..sorry to butt in, but...
>
>I was watching one of the press conferences on CNN the other day, and some
>sharpeyed journalist mentioned that he'd seen M1A1 tanks being offloaded
>in Mogadashu (sp?) harbour.  The Marine general confirmed that they were
>in fact M1A1s, but he said that at present there were no plans to use them
>in the operation; rather, since the ship being offloaded was one of the
>prepositioned supply ships based at Diego Garcia, the tanks were on board
>as part of standard equipment, and had to be offloaded so other equipment
>in the holds needed for the operation could be reached.  Apparently, at
>present time the tanks are onboard a ship in the harbour, available with a
>few hours notice.
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I worte the initial post about the compostion of the Marine Expeditionary
Unit (MEU). At all times the Marine Corps keeps several MEUs afloat; one in
the Med. area, one in the west Pacific and now, sometimes in the Persian
Gulf. The MEU was the initial force on the scene. A MEU is built around
a reinforced infantry battalion as the ground combat element. The GCE
will have LAI, Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs), and Artillery. I
am fairly sure that no M1A1s are in a MEU.

As follow on forces to the MEU a Marine Expeditionary Brigade was deployed.
This Brigade used Maritime Prepostioned Shipping (MPS) form Diego Garcia
for its equipment. A MEB is built around a reinforced infantry regiment.
They would normally have tanks. I say normally because the organization
of Marine Air Ground Task Forces (MAGTF) are not fixed and can be tailored
to fit the mission. In the case of MPS, the Marines fly from their base
(in this case from California) and marry up with their equipment. This
shortens considerably the time it takes to deploy a large MEB but it
also means that the MEB is more generic, able to meet a variety of missions.
For the worst case senario, the MEB is supposed to be able to conduct 30
days of combat after they unload the MPS squadron. All the supplies
the need are on the MPS ships. At least for 30 days.

JP SHUE
Standard disclaimers apply

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Patrick Eves <patrick.eves@canrem.com>
Subject: bradley aa version (w
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:28:04 GMT


From Patrick Eves <patrick.eves@canrem.com>



EJ>You were doing fine until you mentioned the Scimitar and Fox :)


EJ>The Scimitar and Fox use the 30mm Rarden gun, whose ammunition is based
EJ>on an Oerlikon 30mm round (KCB?) more powerful than the Aden/DEFA but
EJ>not quite as good as the 30x173 of the GAU-8.

Thanks for the correction, Ed.  If I'm going to be splitting 30mm hairs with
another fellow, I'd better expect some backblast.  ;)
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From:     "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
Subject:  Re: Napoleon's Guard (Re: Prussian Military)
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:31:50 GMT


From     "Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>


Peter Cash writes:
#On a (possibly) related note, I've run across mention of German cavalry
#used in WWI called the "Uhlans". Can anyone tell me what kind of units
#these were, and anything about their history? The name strikes me as
#peculiar--it has no meaning in German.


Polish lancer regiments were designated pulky ulanow, the singular of the
latter word, "ulan", being a lancer. In that some Polish military 
terminology has obvious German origin, these may have been German lancer
units. If not, what was the German name for lancers?



Further afield, and the real reason I wrote: what was the pattern of
sword used by the French Cuirassiers during the mid to late 1800's?
In particular, would a Mle 1822 "heavy cavalry sabre" be suitable for
display with an 1850's period Cuirassier armor?

Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
"War must be looked upon as a business, and subject, like any other business,
to business principles. War is the business of destruction of life and
property of an enemy.....The most deadly and destructive implements of war
are the most humane, and the producers of them may justly be looked upon as
humanitarians."     ----- Hudson Maxim (the other Maxim)

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Christopher Morton <cmort@ncoast.org>
Subject: Re: Worst Allied WW2 Fighters
Followup-To: sci.military
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:01:23 GMT


From Christopher Morton <cmort@ncoast.org>

As quoted from <BzD4rB.ItF@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> by kash1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz(Kemp Ashby):

> How about the Gloster Gladiator, Boulton-Paul Defiant, and Russian I-16?
> I'm sure there are a host of others!

The Gladiator didn't do too badly in Finland.  I also believe that the I-16
pretty well held it's own in China until the Zero showed up.

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Michael Gallagher <gallaghe@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Bradley AA version (was Re:helos vs tanks)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:31:38 GMT


From Michael Gallagher <gallaghe@oasys.dt.navy.mil>


In sci.military, ksw3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KENNETH STARR WATSON) writes:
>From ksw3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KENNETH STARR WATSON)
>
>    Why not add a 30mm GAU-8A cannon (the kind the A-10 carries) to the Bradley
>.  Supposedly
>    its extremely effective against armor and would probably make a decent
>    point defence weapon as well?  There's always the ammo problem, but if you

    Problem with 30mm weapon use is there is no AP round in service
- the A-10 and Apache AH-64 helicoter use a dual purpose 30mm round
that is slow and probably won't defeat the future threat land combat
vehicle the Bradley will come up against.  That is why the Army wants
45/50mm rounds and EM/ETC cannons.

    The reason the 30mm round is effective now is because it is a top
attack weapon, and also being shot from the A-10, it has a little additional
initial velocity from the aircraft launching speed (a few hundred f/s
helps when KE = 1/2*m*v*v). Also, as you remember from Desert Storm,
when the AH-64 attacked land combat vehicles, it used its Hellfire missiles,
not the 30mm.


Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
From: wampner@next1.cs.ucf.edu (Eric Wampner)
Subject: Re: TECH: Amiga VR!
Originator: hlab@stein.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:31:51 GMT



Ray Hines writes

< Actual Content Deleted >

As a fellow amiga user, I would like to invite you (David Stampe) to
play with one, heck, if I had the money, I would BUY you one.  I think
that the 4000 has the potential to do impressive VR work on a platform
which will cost < $5000. I am not going to argue about price, the
Amiga does cost more and I agree that the 386/486 can do some good VR,
I have used Rend386, but I think that the Amiga is better suited to
the task.

What I don't want is an IBM/MAC/Amiga/Atari or whatever flame war, I
believe the amiga can sell itself, it has to, Commodore marketing
sucks.

Check one out soon.
Eric Wampner
wampner@acme.ucf.edu
#include "usual disclaimer"
From: KARELLEN@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (Natiez, Christian Alexander)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: SCI: Direct neural implants
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:40:37 GMT
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There is no doubt that science is on the way to connect Artificial
Reality Systems (ARS) directly to the human brain; it is not an easy
thing to do, not at all. Anyway, does anybody know about research in
this direction and eventually the state of research concerning the
connection of artificial/ virtual reality providing systems to the
human brain directly?

Thanks and greetings, can.
From: glick_jer@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: APPS:  Wolfenstein FTP!!!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:12:09 GMT
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Hello,
        
Fellow vr people..  Someone told me about a "wolf type of VR game "

I looked it up in the archie under wolf..

        and I got a site that had 1wolf.zip

......site......sunsite.unc.edu............

the exciting part about this is the directory was called 

        /pub/academic/computer-science/virtual-reality/ibm

You folks probably know this.. but I thought that I should post it..

It has rend386
       1wolf
and some other stuff that looks exciting..

I don't know what works since my computer has not arrive yet .. but
I've heard that 1wolf can be run by a mouse.

Some other programs listed looked like they may be like a rend386..

It's something to check out..

        If you know about any other types of ftp sites or SEGA sitings
please mail me...

glick_jer@ccsua.ctstateu.edu  


jeremy
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
From: laukee@canon.co.uk (David Lau-Kee)
Subject: Re: TECH: Mac-based VR?
Originator: hlab@stein.u.washington.edu
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:44:31 GMT


dream!Ray_Hines@bikini.cis.ufl.edu (Ray Hines) writes:
...
> D> ... you seem to forgot that the A3000 in the Virtuality system DOES
> D> NOT generate any image. There are TWO Texas Instruments (34020 if I
>don't
> D> miss) graphic processors and their co-processors to manage the real
>time
> D> rendering, one for each eye.
> D> An A3000 could never deliver the same graphic speed... 
...
>I have a magazine article.  It's about the Virtuality system.  W
>Industries is saying that the "Amiga controls everything" and that it
>is indeed the heart of the system. :)

Hmmm... The Expality uses 2 x 34020, 2 x 34082, 680[34]0/68882.  This
gives an unsurprising 30K pps. The "Amiga" may be "the heart" of the
system, but it isn't the muscle.

David
From: akossowsky@TURBO.kean.edu (Andy Kossowsky)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: EVENT FLASH! Stockholm Multi-G live Internet feed, Dec 18th!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:51:52 EST
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I had no idea that the Internet had enough bandwith to do full motion
video with out special hardware. Where can I get More info on this
technology?

ApK
From: diego@minerva.st.dsi.unimi.it (Diego Montefusco)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: INFO: Hi-Tech (military) HMDs?
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:47:44 GMT
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Hello... I a deep lover of Face Suckers, and I've seen quite a lot of
them, now.

Althought I never tried one, I've seen (only PHOTO!) some military
Hi-Tech, Hi-Performance, (Very) Hi-Price ones.

Fiber Optics (like CAE) or CRT based ones, I always have a question:

        What are they used for??? Just training or on-the-field?

CAE told me their fiber-optics HMDs are used JUST in ground-training
situations.

Prof. Roy Kalawsky, during last april Meckler Conference in London,
showed some pictures of some HMDs made in British Aerospace
laboratories, some of which almost hilarious (sp?): very big and
bulky. I asked if they were actually used in jet fighters (because I
always thought an helmet should be worn to PROTECT the pilot in case
of ejection or like, but with those 10tons-full-of-glass-optics-fiber-
optics-etc helmets, the chance not to die just FOR the helmet must be
VERY LOW) and infact he told me -NO-.

Is there anyone else who can tell me about the Kaiser HIDs? I've heard
they ARE used on F-16 (or F-18??). What about the ones developed for
the Super Cockpit at Wright Patterson Air Base? Are they ever been
used on REAL planes (don't care if on a full-time base) or JUST in
ground-based simulations?

Maybe someone doesn't care at all about these things, but I do. Reply
to me, if you wish, and I'll summarize if anyone else cares.

Thanks a lot!

Diego Montefusco

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From: diego@minerva.st.dsi.unimi.it (Diego Montefusco)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: INDUSTRY: RPI
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:38:04 CET
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Reading a review of the Meckler San Jose Conference, I saw a photo of
an HMD with the address of the manufacturer. The article claimed the
HMD was part of a HMSI (Head Mounted Sensory Interface). The company
is:

RPI Advanced Technology Group
P.O. Box 14607
San Francisco, CA 94114
(415) 777-3226

Has anybody further details about their produt?

Diego

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From: slb96@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: TECH: Phone # needed for Toshiba Glasses
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:09:50 GMT
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I saw the answer to this question once before but lost my file on it.
What is the company phone number for the Toshiba Glasses?  I am
thinking about giving them a shot since the Sega glasses seem to be
out of reach for me.

slb96@cc.usu.edu
From: hhoang@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Hung Xuan (HH) Hoang)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: APPS: Repost of Flight Simulator
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:46:54 GMT
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Thank you for all the reply and request of the VR Flight Simulator
program.  Here's the info for those who wish check it out --

    Location :  karazm.math.uh.edu (128.7.128.1)
    Directory:  /pub/Incoming/VR
    File name:  pcvrjet.exe

Thanks again.

hhoang@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu
From: ziert@beloit.edu (Tom Zier)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: PHIL: MUDs and Reality; Reply to Tom (4)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:26:24 CST
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I appologize to the group, moderators, and Thyagi for being so stupid
as to make any attempt at reasonable disputation with an apparent
master of mystical powers; one who has said "You're likely to catch
more heat from this thread than arises from my fingers and toes".

Item number 8099 USENET archives for ALT.MAGICK reads as follows;

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From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Evil is a Four Letter Word here
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:35:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

(Much omitted)

If you really think that a discussion of 'evil' WITHOUT reference to
magick is somehow relevant to alt.magick topics, I'm willing to hear
why and how.  I think you'd better make it good.  You're likely to
catch more heat from this thread than arises from my fingers and
toes and I'll be happy to either join in or simply bypass the whole
affair.  Toodles...


Thyagi the evil one
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from the fields where Lord Thyagi plays. But for my edification, if
you will Lord Thyagi, tell me what value anyone can find in a model
which is so constrained that it cannot be held accountable
philosophically, historically, or phenomenally? In the life of mere
mortals such as I these details remain quite important; as Bob
Jacobsen said, "I could not easily tie the abstracted discussion to my
common experience".

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From: diego@minerva.st.dsi.unimi.it (Diego Montefusco)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: TECH: Cyberface III
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:44:15 CET
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I just received a press release from LEEP Systems, Boston, MA.

They have just introduced Cyberface III, a boom mounted hi-res LCD
viewer.  It is NOT stereoscopic. It is old with the FREEDOM ARM, a
counter balanced arm with mechanical encoders which give the
pos/orientation. The viewer itself can be grasped with the hand(s) or
can be attached to a rubber mask the user can wear (seeing the photo I
WON'T put it on!).

Diego
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From: gbnewby@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: Projection screen with stereo glasses?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:27:16 GMT
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In <1992Dec12.042127.17355@u.washington.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark
Battle) writes:

>Has anyone tried to use a large (>4ft) projection monitor with the sega 
>glasses or some other kind of eye flashing specs?  Is there a hi
>res projection...?

I've had quite good results with a 10 or 12-foot front projection TV
(SONY) and the SGI Shutter Glasses.  Unfortunately, SGI was charging
c. $5000.00 US for them (I believe they recently had a "sale" when
they were offered for only $2K).

These use a little infrared transmitter box to switch the glasses at
120HZ (!).  There is some ghosting, but no more than with the regular
monitor.

I think they work well, and have some important applications for VR.
In particular, they work well when you need fairly high resolution
(EyePhones et al. suck for high-res, most recent advances possibly
excepted).

  -- Greg
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From: caius.tenche@canrem.com (Caius Tenche)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: ADMIN: vr interest group
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:00:00 GMT
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[MODERATOR'S NOTE:  Can Caius or someone else enlighten us to the
purpose of this post, which I assume is inaugurating something?
Thanks. -- Bob Jacobson]


By posting a message, we will be able to see just how many people are
interested, and whether we should collectively proceed.

A similar message has been cross posted to other VR conferences on
other networks.

I will tally all responses and post a summary at a later date.


Ttyl, Caius
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From: akossowski@turbo.kean.edu <Andy Kossowsky>
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: PHIL: Virtual vs. Artificial Reality
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:27:16 EST
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From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:16:58 GMT

Is there a difference between virtual and artificial reality?  I have
been under the impression that they are one and the same, with
'virtual' being the usual term.  However, I have a professor who
insists otherwise.  Does anyone have a good reference, or just opinion
on the matter?

--- Reply by Andy Kossowsky :

The difference is in the mind of the person using the term.  Some
credit Myron Krueger with coining the term Artificial Reality, and
some credit Jaron Lanier with Virtual Reality.  You can ask either of
them for THIER definitions, but I'd say that if your prof INSISTS that
there IS a difference, you look to find an educator who's more open
minded! (g).

ApK