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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:38:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <Bw0s9H.LK9@cup.hp.com>, hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
wrote:

> i occasionally give two quick toots on the horn when i'm about
> 200 or 300 feet away.  that way the rider won't be startled,
> and knows someone is coming.  usually i do it when there are
> two abreast; this gives bicyclists plenty of time to line up.
> 
> do bicyclists consider this kind of warning okay?

Some bicyclists have an attitude about horns and get pissed off whenever
anyone "honks at them."  This attitude comes from the fact that we do get a
lot of rude honking from motorists, usually while they go past much too
close and use the horn much too late to be a useful warning.

But I think most of us can tell the intent of a "beep-beep" from the way it
sounds, and I for one appreciate the kind of beeps you're talking about.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
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From: dgi@tnds.bellcore.com (Dave Iveson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Anyone heard of PAaOT
Keywords: japanese bike paaot
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:56:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell Communications Research


I rescued a 10-speed PAaOT bicycle from the recycling center near where I live
last weekend.  I was wondering whether anyone can tell me anything about this
brand of bike, since I've never heard of it before.  Is says "Made in Japan" on
it and the friction shifters and derailleurs are Shimano brand.  Other than
having a flat rear tire and being a little greasy and dirty, the bike shifted
and rode well when I pumped the tire up and took it for a test ride.  What I'm
really looking for is some info about the quality, or lack of it, of this bike.

This is the 3rd 10-speed bike that I've rescued from the recycle place.  The
first 2 were a set of older his and hers Schwinns which I rebuilt from the
bearings up to the paint job for my wife and I.  It never ceases to amaze me
that some people throw away a 10-speed bicycle which, with a little maintenance
work and some TLC, is a perfectly good piece of equipment.  Disposable
10-speeds, what'll they think of next?

Dave Iveson  at Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.soc:518 dc.general:2541
From: ken@visix.com (Ken Mayer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,dc.general
Subject: Re: HOV abolished!
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:06:24 GMT
	<1992Oct06.153045.5@norfolk.vak12ed.edu>
Reply-To: ken@visix.com
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA

-->On Tue, 06 Oct 92 15:30:45 GMT, jpitts@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Joseph R. Pitts) said:

 Joseph> ata@hfsi.uucp  writes:
> Wonderful news folks!  Governor Wilder today has abolished the HOV lane
> effective Monday on the Toll Road.  I guess it's not useless to voice
> one's opinion to their elective representatives after all.  Kudos to
> Congressman Wolf for his ingenuity in bringing this about.
> -- 

Yeah, so what are you going to do when all three lanes are bumper to
bumper at 3 MPH? Add a second level? I'm tired of enough of the stench
of exhaust fumes as it is. 

> John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:  ata@hfsi.com
> HFS, Inc.		  VA20     |     UUCP:  uunet!hfsi!ata
> 7900 Westpark Drive	 MS:601	   |    Voice:	(703) 827-6810
> McLean, VA  22102	           |      FAX:	(703) 827-3729


 Joseph> ....yes john, that is wonderful news........NOT!!!!, now you
 Joseph> space-hogging, fume-causing, drivers from Nooorthern Virginia
 Joseph> can ruin more of the area that could remain undeveloped and
 Joseph> un spoiled....way to go!!! by the way...we are not supposed
 Joseph> to ride our bikes in the HOV lane anyway!!!

 Joseph> 				joe pitts
 Joseph> 				whro-norfolk
 Joseph> ride your bike....and
 Joseph> eat your spinach!

So much for elected representatives working for the greater good
rather than the greater votes. As a side note, this ban is only
temporary and will expire on July 1, 1993. By that time, however, I
fear that any chance for intelligent, well-thought solutions to the
larger problem of too many people in not enough cars will be forgotten
for another 2 years.


Ken
--

Ken Mayer (ken@visix.com)
Visix Software Inc./703.758.8230
  Bene Vivere Ultio Optima --- Living Well is the Best Revenge
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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:08:53 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <Bw0s9H.LK9@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>
>i occasionally give two quick toots on the horn when i'm about
>200 or 300 feet away.  that way the rider won't be startled,
>and knows someone is coming.  usually i do it when there are
>two abreast; this gives bicyclists plenty of time to line up.
>
>do bicyclists consider this kind of warning okay?
>

YES, it's most unnerving, although 200-300 foot is a lot further than the
average tooter (!).
I'd rather you assume I know you're there. Because I do.

I would suggest that you are VERY careful when passing children on bikes,
since they have less experience of the road, bikes, etc, and almost never
signal, since they prefer to hang with both hands. Who doesn't.

============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981                  (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed ?".
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,dc.driving,dc.general
From: morgan@nolichucky.rtp.dg.com (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Ride Critters (was Commute, a beautiful morning...)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:19:49 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

sometimes the wild (or semi-tame)life encountered on the road can
be a bit too thrilling.  I used to live in Texas, where many bike
rides pass through large ranches with no fences along the roads.
Finding yourself in the middle of a herd of galloping cattle can
give your adrenal gland a good workout.

-- 
Keith Morgan
Data General
Research Triangle Park, NC
(919)248-6078
morgan@dg-rtp.dg.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 10:06:47 GMT

Michael Smith (p00004@psilink.com) wrote:
: >DATE:   6 Oct 92 11:58:23 GMT
: >FROM:   Datasbuild <datasbld@bnr.ca>
: >
: >William D. Bushnell (bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
: [material deleted]
: >Over here, in my home town of Swindon (England) two young male car drivers
: >decided to have a race.  This is not unusual as you may know but unfortunately
: >one of the drivers swerved to avoid another car and ploughed into a group of
: >children who had been sitting on a bench on some grass, off the road.  Five
: >children were killed.
: [material deleted]
: >Nick    DoD 1069   MAG 73516
: 
: As a matter of curiosity -- do you happen to know what the courts did 
: with the driver of the death car? And/or the other driver? 
: 
: --Michael Smith

I will check up on it, but I think they threw the book at him and sent him down
for five.  That's one for each child.  Think about it.........


Nick (the Biker wih Four Kids)   MAG 73516  DoD 1069  MotherCare Catalogue

M'Dad.
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Keywords: delta v, bike polo, faceless archetype
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:19:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc

prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>If we're going to bare our souls here, it is incredibly alarming and 
>dangerous to approach bicyclists who behave as though oblivious to their
>road environment.

Yup.   I still remember quite vividly the time that I was coming back from
a ride with some friends in Livermore and, on the way home, while driving
in a completely normal and legal fashion, found myself running into a
bicyclist who decided to make a left turn right in front of me.   Unlike the
hit-and-run person on Skyline, I didn't escape unscathed.   Sigh.   Then,
when I tried to get the kid's parents to pay for the damage to the bike,
they threatened to sue *me*.

When I asked the kid why he'd thought it was safe to turn left in front of
me, he said that he had seen my front wheel turning to the right and had
therefore assumed that I was going to come around him on the right (!!!).
Of course, anybody who's ever ridden either a bicycle or a motorcycle at high
speeds knows that turning the wheel to the right has the effect of turning
the motorcycle or bicycle to the left - it's called countersteering.

I have also noticed people exhibiting Obnoxious Bicyclist Syndrome on Highway
84, although I would caution those who find themselves stuck behind bicycles
descending 84 to be forgiving if the bicycle takes up the whole road through
corners - I don't think it's safe to stay to the side during corners, because
there generally isn't room for a safe pass, and if you stay to the right people
will try to pass anyway, and run you off the road if somebody unexpectedly
comes around the other way.

On the other hand, it still pisses me off to no end when bicyclists stay in
the middle of the road on descents even when they're on a straightaway.
Gr.   Of course, there's an easy alternative for bicyclists on 84 - just don't
let anybody catch up to you.   A bicycle can descend 84 almost as fast as a
motorcycle, and certainly faster than anybody in a normal car (obviously,
certain sports cars are excepted here).

				_MelloN_
--
mellon@ncd.com						uunet!lupine!mellon
Member, League for Programming Freedom | To learn how software patents could
cost you your right to program, contact the LPF - league@prep.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:28:32 GMT
 <1bi0eqINNr1i@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> <1992Oct15.173004.18281@Happy-Man.com>
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: shah

In article <1992Oct15.173004.18281@Happy-Man.com>, josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

>...
> RCW 46.61.110  Overtaking a vehicle on the left.
>...
>   (2)  Except when overtaking and passing on the right is 
> permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way 
> to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible 
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
> signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until 
> ^^^^^^
> completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

Hmmm....

Let's take another real-life example, from last night's commute:

I am on a major street with oversized right hand lane, right turn lane,
45mph limit.  I am at the signal, to right of straight traffic and to left
of right turn traffic when the signal turns green.  A car in the RTO lane
decides to go straight, so follows behind me closely.  Parked cars allow
plenty of room for a bicycle and one car in the right lane, but no more. 
The driver of the car behind me generated an "audible signal", although I'm
not sure what I could have done to get out of his way.  In response I
produced a visible signal :), and sped up a little.  He moved left
(_into_ the right lane) and drove off without further incident.

Guess I should have been ticketed for not driving into parked cars in order
to "give way to the right" and for speeding up to 18mph, which probably
interfered with his ability to pass.

The point is, although a horn may be used to indicate your intentions, it
is almost always used -- and interpreted -- as hostile; it rarely does any
good.

-- 
Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics
royce@mdcbbs.com 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
					-- W. C. Fields
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: For Sale ... Schwinn Mountain Bike ... $400.00 (1/2 cost)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:28:00 GMT
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi folks. I am posting this for a friend ... I don't read this group, ergo 
if interested, you must reply to me in e-mail ... the address is ...

afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

Personally, I have trouble with *any* vehical that has to be surgically 
removed after a long ride, but *hey*, to each his/her own ... :-)

You are, of course, free to discuss the price/quality/merits of this 
particular bike in total anonimity ... Neither he (nor I) will ever see it.

Anyway, here's what he asked me to post ...

=========================== Begin shameless Commercial ====================

Subj:	Mountain Bike 4 sale

Hi Buddy,

Ok, here's the poop on the mountain bike, you said 
you'd post on the NET for me.

THANX!

Name: Schwinn Aluminum Pro mountain bike

Features: * all aluminum oversize tubing
          * Suntour Premium component group
          * Avocet Gel saddle
          * on/off road tires

paid over $800.00

price $400.00

very good condition

============================= end ad =======================

============= begin profound .sig ==============

-- Stephen

	Though believing in things often wounds the spirit,
	*not* believing in anything will eventually kill it.
	Therefore, *dream* ... and accept the costs as reasonable.
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Helmets for MTN biking?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:18:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles

In article <13OCT199223235924@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu>,
rkohli@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Ordering of information inhibits
parallelism!) wrote:
>
> I would also like opinions on how the regular walmart helmets compare with the
> more expensive ones. I do know that the more you pay the better the helmet is,
> but if both helmets conform to the standards (ANSI-blah,blah) then why should
> one have to pay more for the name brand ones (BTW I checked the walmart helmets
> they are made in the US).

More expensive helmets are lighter and have better ventilation
for the same amount of protection. They usually have better means
of strap adjustment as well.

   ...as a rule of thumb.
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: clipless pedals comments needed
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:55:29 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa

In article <1992Oct08.145127.2095@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>I bought SPDs with my new bike in August and I love them.  I don't
>know whether it is worth the extra coin for XTs (I have DXs and they
>work just fine).  Where are you buying them from?  In Ottawa, I've
>seen XTs as low as $120.

Where?  Where?

  Have them "shipped" Ontario to Quebec
>or vice versa and get out of the provincial tax.  As for shoes,
>get a good pair.  I bought Specialized Ground Control Sports and now
>kinda wished that I got the Ground Control Extremes or similar (they
>only had the Sports in my size).

I bought a pair of GC (the Darth Vader shoes) and I regret it.  After a season,
they are already falling apart.  The leather strap stretched badly, and so are
the uppers.  I'm writing a letter of complaint to Specialized.


-- 
Ken Iisaka               \ NEXT RECITAL  |12:00 pm, Thursday, January 7th, 1993
kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca     \ Produced by |National Gallery of Canada, Ottawa
AI Lab, University of Ottawa \ CBC Stereo|Berg        Sonata, b minor, op. 1
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hit and Run (the results)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:43:12 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <2927467789.2.p00004@psilink.com> "Michael Smith"

>...It's often illuminating to construct the same scenario with some
>of the variables changed and ask oneself what would happen. ... Put a
>car in the picture, though, and we start looking for mitigating
>circumstances.  

We must not be reading the same news source.

When this story first appeared on the net, I heard a lot of anger.
Felt a great deal myself.  When the details of the driver's emotional
and mental deficiencies were published, I heard, if anything, a great
deal more anger.  And felt that way myself.  Now the anger is directed
at a different target: the parents for providing their child with an
adult tool which he (it sounds like) will probably never be mature
enough to use safely and the system for giving the kid a driving
license to BEGIN with.

Mitigating circumstances?  No.  Compassion towards someone who has
been put in a lose-lose situation by people who should know better?
Yes.  Anger at the people who are really responsible?  Yes.  The
parents, above all others, deserve the maximum punishment that could
be meted out.  No less anger.  More.  This entire incident could have
been prevented if the parents had shown enough maturity, compassion,
and love toward their child to not have put him in a situation beyond
his ability to deal with.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Commuting in rain
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:41:34 GMT

> miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (zaphod beeblebrox) writes:
>Hello.  I was wondering, how do all you folks deal with commuting in
>the rain?  .......
>.............  What I haven't figured out was how to keep my feet
>and books dry.

Re feet: Heavy duty, 1 gal. size baggies have worked very well for me.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
  *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:47:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I dunno about Kevlar tires, but I have noticed big differences between
brands.  My thing about tires is "cheap" - I always buy tires costing
less than $10 each, and hopefully even cheaper.

I used to use the Nashbar Sport tires in 27x1.25.  These cost around $7.
Then one day, on a whim, I tried some Michelin Selects.  The Michelins
were only a dollar more per tire from Nashbar, and I've seen a dramatic
reduction in flats with this tire compared to the Nashbar tire.  (All
else is the same, including my commuting route, tire pressure, tire
size, bicycle, and riding style).  Neither tire has a Kevlar belt.  At
first I chalked this flat reduction up to coincidence, but the more
miles I get with the new tires, the more it seems like there must be
something else going on.  I'm not sure I can explain it, but I'm not
complaining...

  - steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rkohli@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Ordering of information inhibits parallelism!)
Subject: Helmets for MTN biking?
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:23:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

Greetings all,
     Sometime back there was a discussion on helmets for riding. Does anybody
have a summary on that. If you do could you please E-MAIL me the summary.

I would also like opinions on how the regular walmart helmets compare with the 
more expensive ones. I do know that the more you pay the better the helmet is,
but if both helmets conform to the standards (ANSI-blah,blah) then why should 
one have to pay more for the name brand ones (BTW I checked the walmart helmets
they are made in the US).

Thanks for your time
:-) ranjan 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific"
                               Ranjan Kohli.
                       Student Software Consultant,
                          University Of Oklahoma.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: clipless pedals comments needed
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:51:27 GMT

I bought SPDs with my new bike in August and I love them.  I don't
know whether it is worth the extra coin for XTs (I have DXs and they
work just fine).  Where are you buying them from?  In Ottawa, I've
seen XTs as low as $120.  Have them "shipped" Ontario to Quebec
or vice versa and get out of the provincial tax.  As for shoes,
get a good pair.  I bought Specialized Ground Control Sports and now
kinda wished that I got the Ground Control Extremes or similar (they
only had the Sports in my size).

BTW, I just ordered a new set of Rock Shox Quadras for next spring.
I would go SPDs first, then shocks.  

Cheers...Stuart
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: vandeweg@bbn.com (Mike Vande Weghe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: yet another lighting system
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:39:09 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger) writes:

>Lead acid batteries
>like to be charged from a constant voltage source. This is in contrast to
>Ni-Cads, which like to be charged with a constant voltage.

Did you mean for one of these to be "constant current source", perhaps?

-mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: Re: Need info on lighting systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:27:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

A few days ago I wrote:

> Are you willing to make your own?  For between US$60 and $80 in parts,
> you can make a custom 35 watt system with a 6 watt taillight that gives

> if I can find it again.  If a lot of people are interested, I suppose I
> could post it again (although I probably should update it a bit first).

I got over 20 email requests for information about this light, so I'm
going to post the information again here to a new basenote titled
"custom lighting systems" instead of emailing to so many people.  I
posted it last year at about this time, but I've changed the
instructions a bit since then, and many people who asked for it weren't
reading rec.bicycles then.

   - steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Avocet 30 for sale
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:10:33 CDT

Hi,

I know it's fashionable around here to bash Avocet, and that their
reputation in general is rather poor (our local bike store has a bunch
of Avocets with nails driven through the displays above a little sign
that says, "We no longer service Avocet cyclocomputers"), but I'm
hoping that someone out there might want to buy mine anyway...

I got a Catseye Cordless, so I have my old Avocet 30 to sell.  It's
blue, and about one year old.  I still have the box and instructions.

I'm asking $15.  Please reply my e-mail...

					---Joel Kolstad
					kolstad@cae.wisc.edu