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From: ahsharif@violet.waterloo.edu (Abdul hoque  Sharif)
Subject: massacare
Keywords: shooting, killing
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:35:49 GMT

The following article was taken  from  another news group.
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From watdragon!watmath!watserv1!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!IGC.ORG!APAKABAR Thu Apr  9 09:16:03 EDT 1992


    Reuter, Dhaka, April 8 - Refugees fleeing from Burma have accused
Burmese troops of opening fire on Moslems at prayer in a village mosque
in western Arakan state, killing at least 200 people, Bangladeshi
officials said on Wednesday.
    Officials quoted a refugee, Azizul Huq, as saying the massacre took
place at a prayer meeting on Sunday ending the Moslem month of Ramadan
in Sikderpara village near Maungdaw town, where the Burmese army last
week closed down a mosque.
    "The Moslems offering Eid al-Fitr prayer fell like sitting ducks
when the troops opened fire," Huq was quoted as saying by an official in
Cox's Bazar in southeast Bangladesh near the Burmese border.
    "Our only offence was we used the closed-down mosque as the venue
for the prayer," Huq was quoted as saying.
    He said nearly 150 devotees were wounded in the attack, prompting a
new influx of Moslem refugees, known as Rohingyas, into neighbouring
Bangladesh -- now reluctant host to more than 215,000 refugees.
    Refugees alleged the Burmese junta had resumed torturing Moslems
immediately after U.N. Undersecretary-General Jan Eliasson ended his
visit to parts of Arakan to investigate claims of persecution.
    "They just stopped killing and raping of Moslems for a week trying
to show Mr. Eliasson that nothing had happened and life in Moslem
villages is normal," refugee Zafar Ahmed said.
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Supporting Pakistani Teams
Date: 9 Apr 1992 15:22:50 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>I think when we were raised, we were taught that India is evil and no matter 
>what Pakistan does, she is better than India. Religion played a very important 
>role in establishing this. Before '71, Pakistani rulers had to push this, but 
>I don't know, for some reasons or other, the attitude hasn't changed much even 
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Really? You mean people in Bd still think that India is evil?
Humm.. i didnt know this.
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: We Need A Hindu-Muslim Dialog (Was: Re: Muslim situation in India)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:05:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr14.210532.2558
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science


In article <1992Apr14.195042.15939@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:

> The theory of Aryan invasion is at best only a "theory" wihtout any
> convincing proof. All existing literary and historical works of ancient
> India never mention any migration from anywhere, and rather are full of
> conflicts with people from outside India and expansion of Indian empires
> outward from the Gangetic and Indus valleys. It was in these valleys
> that the Indian civilization germinated and took root and then expanded
> outwards. 

There are many theories that are based on linguistic elements.
Furthermore, it cannot be disputed that the Dravidian heritage,
especially in South India, is considerably older than any Aryan
influence.

> The present day Muslims of Indian subcontinent, are almost
> completely descendents of the same stock of people who lived as Hindus
> in India before the philosophy of Islam came to India. And yes, the 
> philosophy of Islam did come from outside India as opposed to the native
> indian philosophies.
> 
> So the Indian philosophies are native to the land, Islam is an import,
> and the people are all the same stock. Islam being an import does not
> mean I am making a good or bad judgement. We should retain good things
> from all directions and discard bad things as the needs and times
> change.

But what is India?  India is a land of many peoples, cultures and
languages.  So if Buddha lived in north India, wouldn't Buddhism be an
import for a Sri Lankan or Indian Tamil?  India as it exists now is a
novel concept, so is it not merely coincidental that you can now claim
Hinduism and Buddhism are "native" to India?  How do you define your
domain?  Why should I not include, say, the Middle East, in my domain
and thus label Islam as native to the whole region of Asia?  

> > A factfinding committee of Hindu historians declared all
> >BJP claims on the Babri Masjid null and void, and yet they are still
> >pursuing the matter.  Why?  
> 
> What was this imaginary fact-finding committee? To be precise,
> there is sufficient evidence that there was a temple at the site
> of RJB before the mosque structure came but what can not be proved
> is that Ram was actually born at this particular site. that can not
> be done for Christ, Muhammad, Buddha, Alexander, or any one that long
> ago. What is important is that there was a temple at the site.

Imaginary?  Sorry to disappoint you, but this is by no means
imaginary.  The government assigned a committee of renowned
historians to investigate the Babri masjid issue.  After extensive
study, the final report concluded that there was no evidence of any
temple ever having existed on the site.

-- Shakil
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From: dipen@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (DIPEN BHATTACHARYA DIPEN)
Subject: Re: treatment of minority footnote
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory For High Energy Astrophysics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:09:00 GMT

	Srinivas quotes from:

>>    "Unnatural Disasters" by G.R. Chowdhury,
>>   Cultural Survival Quarterly, Winter 1992, PP 14-17. 

	and in reply to Naeem correctly observes:

>There is some problem with the way the author presents his case though.
>I don't know whether 'most victims were members of the Hindu community'
>refers to the refugees or to those killed by the Pakistani army.

	No real statistics exist. Although the Pakistani operation
	had the intention of exterminating the entire Hindu population,
	the majority of the murdered victims were undoubtedly Muslims.
	On the other hand, the number of Hindu refugees out-weighed
	their percentage share of the total population. One can only
	guess the numbers, but if one guesses it is important to 
	avoid exaggeration because that can only undermine the real 	
	effects of discrimination.

	G.R. Cowdhury further writes:
>>   ...under the [Enemy Property Act] the government can confiscate minority
>>   properties and businesses with no compensation or notice simply by declaring
>>   a person to be an enemy of the state

	The confiscation occurs not by declaring a person enemy of the
	state, but from the misapplication and abuse of the Enemy Property
	Law as in force today, viz, Act XLV of 1974. By this act, the 
	Govt. became the custodian of all "enemy" properties and virtually
	authorised the continuance of emergency provisions (Pakistan
	Ordinanance No. 1, 1969) allowing the Govt. not be obligated
	to return the properties to the rightful owners.
	
	I think it is important to make the case of discrimination with
	proper numbers, not through wild guesses or over-simplification.
	On the other hand, G. R. Chowdhury's table on hiring statistics 
	brings the case of zero participation of Hindus in national life 
	closer to home.

	Shubhechha,
	Dipen

> 
>Minority Hiring in Bangladesh:
> 
>Administration (officers)		5%
>Administration (lower rank)		3 - 5%
>Administration (secretaries)		0 %
>Customs & Excise			0 %
>Income-tax officials			1.5 %
>Military officers			1.5 %
> 
>Military soldiers			0 %
>Border security				0 %
>Police, officers			6 %
>Police, rank & file			2.5 %
>Major bank managers			0 %
> 
>Embassy & consulate staff		0 %
>Foreign assignments			0 %
>Home ministry				0 %
>Judiciary				0 %
>Ministry of defense			0 %
> 
>Industry managers			1 %
>Industrial laboreres			3-4 %
>Recent bank loans			< 1 %
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 8 Apr 1992 16:59:40 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>	Yeah right. The Chinese might even claim that the radio, television,
>radar, and the internal combustion engine were invented by Chairman Mao Tse 
>Tung. It is conspiracy by Imperialist Capitalists which has attempted for 
>decades to cover this widely accepted truth.
>
>	The wheel was invented by a Bangladeshi (or some ancestor of his), 
>and fire was discovered by his pasher geraamer morol shaheb.
>
>Shahriar 
>Texas A&M University

	I dont know about the radio and TV and the IC engine but I am 
sure that Zero was introduced by India. And congrats to the bangladeshi
who invented the wheel. s/he should very happy since without the wheel
the concept of zero wouldnt have spread from India to the other parts
of the world. And you are right.. i hate the Imperialist Capatalists
also.. they always want everything for themselves.

rest well..
From: ij21@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Apology (was SHAKIL AHMED AZAM!!!!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:37:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxb.1992Apr10.143752.1
Organization: University of North Texas




                     LETTER OF APOLOGY
                     =================


 TO: MR.SHAKIL AHMED
 FROM: ASIF IBRAHIM
 SUB: MY PERSONAL ATTACK ON MR.AHMED
 CC : ALL OTHER NETTERS 


 Dear Mr. Ahmed,

  
 I apologize for my sudden emotional outburst in the net. I must have gotten
 carried away with a lot of emotions and it affected my logical thought
 pattern. I feel strongly about this sensitive issue and I hope that the
 problem with Golam Azam is solved through the legal process. I also apologize
 for questioning your nationality. I shall refrain from posting such personal
 threats in the net in the future. The sentence about the node address was
 in fact a result of my underdeveloped ego. Please accept my apologies.   
                        ==================

 Sincerely,
 
 Asif Ibrahim
 IJ21@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
 866,W.Collins
 Denton
 Tx:76201
 U.S.A
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamaat's rise in power
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:13:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>Actually, if you look at the chronology, Jamaat's position has improved with
>each government:

	Help me out here.. if this party has been involved in supporting 
pakistan during the war then why is the Bd govt only going after the 
leader and why not the whole party? And who is electing these people?

>Khaleda govt: Jamaat forms coalition govt with BNP, the party's first time
>with parliamentary clout since liberation. Election officials say appr. 60%
>of Jamaat's parliamentary candidates were professionals, the largest of any
>political party candidates-- Jamaat ends up with third highest tally of seats.

	I mean someone is electing these people so, I would assume they 
in some form support their ideas. Does this mean that you have a large
pro-pakistani group even after the war?

>support of Azam. Azam's arrest prompts threat from Jamaat leaders to unseat
>BNP govt unless he is released. Organizers of mock trial under house arrest.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I know there is something very wrong here. Something very very 
wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Jamaat's rise in power
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:19:49 GMT

Just a few minor bones of contention to pick:

In article <NAEEM.92Apr14171314@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:

	[Excellent chronolgy of events deleted]

>Zia govt: Islamic republic declared, .....

The BNP government during Zia's time did not declare Bangladesh to be an
Islamic republic. Secularism as one of the tenets of the nation was deleted
from the constitution. Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim was added as a 'preamble'
to the constitution. Socialism was replaced by social justice.

Incidently, initial broadcasts after the August coup referred to Bangladesh
as the Islamic Republic of Bangladesh. The coup plotters, Majors Dalim et
al, wanted to make the change official, but fortunately it never cane to
pass. The references to an Islamic Republic prompted quick recognition by
conservative Arab governments such as Saudi Arabia, who had yet to recognize
Bangladesh in deference to Pakistani wishes. How easily we forget. An
interesting source of reference for this period is Anthony Mascarenhas'
_Bangladesh: A Legacy of Blood_. [London : Hodder and Stoughton, c1986]

>Khaleda govt: Jamaat forms coalition govt with BNP, the party's first time
>with parliamentary clout since liberation. 

BNP didn't form a coalition government with Jamaat. However it did deal with
Jamaat to obtain their support to form a majority government. Prior to the
election of the 30 women MPs, BNP did not have a parliamentary majority to
form a government. It's deal with Jamaat involved getting Jamaat support
during the Prime Ministerial election and formation of the cabinet in
exchange for BNP support which will, and did, guarantee the election of
2 women MP's from Jamaat.

After the elections of the women MP's BNP had a majority in the parliament
and did not need to deal with Jamaat at all. A coalition government would
have entailed Jamaat members in the cabinet and formulation of policy in
conjunction with Jamaat views. Fortunately, such a scary event did not
materialize. I do think BNP's dealing with Jamaat was reprehensible.

>Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993

-- Zunaid 
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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Azam trial, info request
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.181532.16171@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
   be redundant since a trial is planned in the near future anyway.
--------
I had not heard of this, could you please post details?


   Presumably, there is enough evidence against Ghulam Azam that the
   proper decision will be reached.
---------
Therefore, why should people resort to mock trail? Partly due to lack
of faith in the legal system to take proper course:
	i)Azam has been in the country for 14 years. There has never been
case brought against him.
	ii)Azam has been residing in the country illegally on a Pakistani
passport
	iii)Even after surrendering Pakistani passport (in order to petition
for Bangladeshi passport), no move to deport him was taken by Zia, Sattar,
Ershad or Khaleda
	
With the belief that no govt in Bangladesh has the honest intention of 
putting him on trial, people are venting tehir frustration in this 
"irrational" manner.

His arrest was merely on technicality of Ameer position, not for war crimes
and would never have happened if not for pressure on govt by means of the 
mock trial. Thus, the trial, as a means of public protest has worked. BNP
govt only intends to hold azam in jail until chaos subsides. His uninterrupted
stay in Bangladesh is chief bastion of agreement that Jamaat made in return
for forming parliamentary coalition.


--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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"This is a [war] between the pure and the impure"
	[Pakistani army officer, quoted in Maj. Rofiqul Islam's compilation]
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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Asian Development Bank Growth figures
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:06:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

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From: kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Who keeps Jamaat in power?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:16:52 GMT


Sorry, Naeem :) More bones of contention to pick. 

In article <NAEEM.92Apr15200809@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>------
>Khondker Mostaque came to power through coup. 
>Zia came to power through coup,
>later had elections in which no major figures participated (either boycott or
>coercion, i do not remember which-- only exception was M A G Osmani and he 
>did not have power base then). 

No party boycotted the elections. [The Sharbohara Party might be an
exception ;) ]

M. A. G. Osmani was the presidential candidate for a coalition of major
left-leaning opposition parties of Bangladesh. The parties included the
Awami League, CPB, NAP etc. Awami League was at that time led by Malek Ukil,
Toaha was still alive and leading CPB. Osmany was chosen by them since he 
appeared to be the only viable candidate who could have posed some kind of 
challenge to Zia. 

[Side question: When was the ban on JSD rescinded?]
 
Zia was the candidate for Jagodal, Jatiyotabadi Ganotantrik Dal, a coalition
of many parties that later merged to form BNP. Jagodal included elements
from NAP-Bhashani [JAdu Mia], AL, Muslim League and a whole mob of people of 
different ideologies.

Jamaat was still banned, but Jamaatists worked under the banner of a party 
called the Islamic Democratic League [IDL]; this was later disbanded when
Jamaat was allowed to function as a political party. Jamaat and Muslim
league participated as a coalition in the election. Wasn't Khan A. Sabur
their candidate?

>Ershad was coup. Mujib was forced dictatorship
>towards end.
>So by my definition: 
>Elected/Mandate/etc: Mujib from 1971 t0 mid 1974

Many cast doubts on whether the AL MP's who were elected to the Pakistani
National Assembly in 1971, had a mandate to frame the constitution. 
[Personal note: With the major exception of the reference to socialism
I believe the 72 constitution is a remarkable document]. 

IMHO, the propriety of the 1973 elections is open to doubt.

>Zia: 1978ish-1983 {but many would quarrel with this as well}
>Sattar: Six months? Eight? I don't remember

October 1981 - April 24, 1982

>Khaleda: 1991-?
>Over half on post independence has been some form of dictatorship
>
>Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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>"Bangladeshi man kills himself, then eats wife. Next on Donahue"
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                    ^               ^
                   / \             / \
                    |______________|____________ Life after death?

-- Zunaid
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From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bihari Massacre and 71 war
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:13:09 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

In article <SAHMED.92Apr11124300@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> Isn't Kader Siddiqui wanted for treason?? Or am I mistaken.
> 
> Saif


Yes, during Ziaur Rahman's time( for fighting against Bangladesh Army)
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Who keeps Jamaat in power?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:22:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: engvms.1992Apr16.152246.1
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln


In article <1992Apr16.171652.24750@udel.edu>, kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
> 
> Sorry, Naeem :) More bones of contention to pick. 
> 
> In article <NAEEM.92Apr15200809@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>>------
>>Khondker Mostaque came to power through coup. 
>>Zia came to power through coup,
>>later had elections in which no major figures participated (either boycott or
>>coercion, i do not remember which-- only exception was M A G Osmani and he 
>>did not have power base then). 
> 
> No party boycotted the elections. [The Sharbohara Party might be an
> exception ;) ]
> 
> M. A. G. Osmani was the presidential candidate for a coalition of major
> left-leaning opposition parties of Bangladesh. The parties included the
> Awami League, CPB, NAP etc. Awami League was at that time led by Malek Ukil,
> Toaha was still alive and leading CPB.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
   

I think Toaha was leading a party named Sammabadi dal, not CPB and he was
also elected in the parliament



> league participated as a coalition in the election. Wasn't Khan A. Sabur
> their candidate?

Yes, you are right. He also won the election. 



> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Zunaid Hamid Kazi            302-456-3493           kazi@cis.udel.edu
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

---Zakir
From: kazi@ravel.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: What the hell is going on?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:36:33 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


In article <1992Apr5.183412.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij21@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>
>	LET US DO SOMETHING ABOUT AZAM
>       ******************************

Better late than never. Let's not forever take the back seat. It's time
for action. Asif, please post on the net the petition you are circulating.
I want to request 'everyone' to circulate the petition in his/her own locality
and collect as many signatures as possible. If Asif is willing to act as
the liason we might all mail him the signed petitions for compilation and
action.

> Asif Ibrahim                      Ka23@untvm1,Ij21@untvm1,Ij21@untvax

-- Zunaid H. Kazi                   kazi@cis.udel.edu
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From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Teen Bigha - partial solution ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:04:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


Recently came across an article in the "India West" newsmagazine
( published in San Francisco, California ) that India and Bangla-
desh have reached an understanding regarding the "leasing" of the
Teen Bigha corridor to Bangladesh.

This issue along with the Farakka Barrage controversy has been the
major bone of contention between the two countries.

Regards,


Jawa


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