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From: hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg)
Subject: DV 2.4 on hercules mono anyone?
Keywords: hercules
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 08:06:33 GMT

Is somebody out there who is using DESQview version 2.4
on a PC with hercules mono screen?
I have DV 2.31 on hercules mono and would like very much
to know whether Quarterdeck has solved these three
annoying hercules problems with DV verion 2.4:

- in the mode Rearrange Video-Options 2 one can't display
  international characters such as alt-132 (one of the
  german umlauts). Instead in DV version 2.31 only blanks
  appear on the screen. The technical support tells me
  that this works even with version 2.31 but it doesn't.
  Loading graftabl doesn't help.

- switching do Video-Mode 2 does not work properly unless
  some other program has already used graphics mode since
  the last time the computer was booted or I start and quit
  the DESQview setup program, even without making any changes
  there.

- DV has great problems determining whether a program has
  switched to graphics mode, a problem that often can not
  even be solved with DVHERC (DV will switch back to the
  mode that it thinks to be better). 

Please e-mail, I will summarize.

P.S. if I had an algorithm to detect whether or not the
hercules card is in graphics mode and if so on which page,
does somebody know how (where) one could patch DV to use this
algorithm? Maybe it's just replacing an undocumented service
function call...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: frost@helix.nih.gov (James P. Goltz)
Subject: DV/X over LANtastic?
Organization: or lack thereof
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:48:19 GMT

Since it seems everyone else is asking this question about <insert
your favorite networking software here>, I thought I'd ask.

My main networking experience is with TCP/IP, but I do know LANtastic
uses what they cal a NetBIOS (AILANBIO) on top of a network adapter
driver.  Is this sufficent like what the VD/X press release refers to
as a "NetBIOS network"?

Thanks for any answers and for putting up with ignorance. :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: chao@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Chia-Chi Chao)
Subject: DV/X on standalone PC
Originator: chao@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 05:09:31 GMT

My PC (386/25) is not on a network, and I am not planning to run any
X applications.  So, what advantages does DV/X have over regular DV?
From what I understand, DV/X supports SVGA resolutions.  Does that
mean I can have scalable overlapping DOS windows like what I can do
under Xwindow on the Sun?  Does DV/X support popular SVGA cards (like
Diamond Speedstart) directly, or do I have to get special drivers?

I have been using QEMM/DV for a long time, and I plan to continue using
it.  However, OS/2 is out, and from what I have heard, it has DOS-compatible
"boxes" with pre-emptive multi-tasking.  So, how are multi-tasking DOS
applications compared on these two platforms?

Please post responses because I think many users would be interested in
these topics.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Subject: Re: Upgrade, revisited
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Distribution: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.202439.29855@xcluud.sccsi.com> dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
>	On the subject of upgrades, I noticed in a local store today, Qram
>version 2.0, and was wondering about whether/how to upgrade?

[stuff deleted]
>   Details:  386SX, AMI Bios, SCAT EMS chipset, not running QEMM386.

Get QEMM-386.  Why waste your money on QRAM?  QEMM will allow you to use
your 4 megs of ram for DV windows, and will allow you to load a lot
more stuff high...
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DV/X and the 8514
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:00:04 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:

> Some friends of mine here at Silicon Graphics (talented
> X server hackers that they are) tell me that the 8514
> display has excellent hardware support for X, and that
> a server written to use those features should have excellent
> performance (much higher than a stock SVGA card).
> 
> Does anybody know if DV/X is tuned to take advantage
> of the  8514 display card?  If someone is having a technical
> discussion with the folks at Quarterdeck, could they check
> on this little detail?

According to my DV/X fact sheet, it does indeed support the 8514/A
adapter.

But who wants an interlaced 1024x768x256 display when you can get a
non-interlaced display using SVGA for a lot less money?

It also supports 256 color DGIS.



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From: valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DesqView/X
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:41:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

benny@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kaidi Weng) writes:


>OK, it's April 1, 1992.  Anyone heard anything about DesqView/X?
>Shouldn't they announce about their product today?(well, may be today
>isn't over yet, they could announce that right before midnight).
>Or this suppose to be an April Fool's joke?  :)

Well, I ordered it a couple of days ago, and expect to see it in a few
weeks.

I also just got back from Comdex Spring, where QOS had an impressive
presentation on DV/X.  It sounded almost too good to be true.
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From: flash@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen Corbesero)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV & Communication Programs
Summary: Why does a download hang in pcplus in a dv window?
Keywords: pcplus communications hang
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:58:00 GMT
Organization: CSEE Dept. Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

I have a 386/33 with a Maxtor-213 Scsi drive and a 16550 UART on COM2.
I am running DV 2.40 and QEMM 6.00.  Whenever I do a download in PCPLUS 2.0
and switch out of the window, pcplus seems to lose its communication channel
as soon as I reenter the window.  
I have tried nearly all of the possible settings of QEMM and DV's Change
Program Menu, but to no avail.  ALthough I seem to remember this working
previously, I do not remmeber doing it alot.  Has this problem
been solved by anyone?
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Yow)
Subject: Re: Received my DV/X
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:16:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.032230.27982@midway.uchicago.edu>, valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty) writes:

> Well, in fact, if you look at it, they seem to have sucked up quite a
|> few of the shareware DV offerings, including DVSI.  There is a
|> BACKDROP.EXE in there, as well as a NWCAST.EXE (though I haven't figured
|> out how to run either)  Both were available as shareware for DV Classic
|> (love that term!).  Apparently, the idea for BACKDROP started out on
|> X/Window systems, so it seems appropriate that it be in DV/X.

You run Backdrop by typing 

Backdrop graphics_file

It will display X Bitmap files and Windows BMP files.  The only thing I don't
like about it is that it tiles the image.


|> 
|> Final question: Are you supposed to be able to run Windows {tm} full-screen
|> inside a small window?  My experience is that I can run Windows in a
|> small window, but I only see a part of the Windows screen inside that
|> window, i.e., the Windows screen doesn't scale itself.  Is this the most
|> I can expect?

I have been able to get Windows to work in a DV/X window and see the entire
window.  I am using a TSENG 4000 based video card in 1024x768x256 mode.  Windows
comes up in 1024x768x16 mode.  I have Windows configured for normal VGA.  The
only major problem that I have had is that the mouse floats and moves slowly.

						Later,
						Bill Yow
						(713) 283-4051
						yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
						byow@mcimail.com

My opinions are my own!
From: dm46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dale Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: demacs un dv?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:43:22 GMT
	<AV.92Apr8085623@kielo.uta.fi>
	<JRS.92Apr11133842@world.std.com>
Organization: English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Does the fact that DEmacs now works under DV mean that DEmacs can be patched
to allow the function "call-process" to be used?  This would mean that
ISpell could be called from inside DEmacs.

Thanks,
Dale Miller
dm46+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: QEMM and QEMM386
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:57:37 GMT

li@gauss.casr.fau.edu (Charlie Li) writes:

>I have a couple of 286s running Pathworks, are kind of short of memory.  I
>have used expanded memory and high memory, and loaded DOS in high.  Still,
>I only have 480 KB RAM left. (I run DOS5's HIMEM.SYS and AST's REMM.SYS)

>I am wondering if QEMM's 286 version (BTW, what is the latest version?) can
>help me free up more memory?  If it might, I will try to buy one, it should
>be much more economic than upgrading 286s to 386s.

QRAM (the 286 program) is a *lot* different than QEMM. It's also a lot 
cheaper. I use it on my XT and it converts EMS 4.0 RAM to High RAM. It
also includes things like loading buffers high.

It should work fine with the AST software...

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From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: pcweek, what a joke!!!
Summary: pcweek coverage of dv/x release
Keywords: dv/x pcweek ziff-davis
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:07:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.bill.702752873
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

'm surprized. did i miss it? did no one see the coverage in pcweek
concerning the release of dv/x?
well here it is in it's entirty:
QUARTERDECK last week shipped Desqview/X, an X Window system for DOS PCs...

that sit !
and on the back page even.

but windog s* get almost the whole mag and a separate printing also ~(:{)
makes me mad ~~~~~~~

b i l l

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner)
Subject: Re: DV/X Has 2 Strikes Against It (was Re: pcweek, what a joke!!!)
Organization: York University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:04:26 GMT

bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh) writes:

>appreciate it.  Now any average joe can look at DV/X and say "WOW! Windows
>can't do that! (text converted to X graphics, scalable font DOS windows
    	    	    	    	    	       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, Windows 3.1 *can* do that.
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Help with DESQ key / Mouse progs in window
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:00:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.bill.702673259
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

burton@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (John Burton) writes:

>In article <bill.702650669@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu writes:
>>rslarsen@oregon.uoregon.edu (Ron Larsen) writes:
>>
>>>In article <6588@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> donlee@watson.seas.ucla.edu (Donald C. Lee) writes:
>>>>I'm new to Desqview and so far it seems to work very well.  How do
>>>>I get to the desqview menu that has the Switch To Window/Open/Close
>>>>options *IF* I am running a program that is using the mouse?
>>>>What is the DESQ key, what does it do?
>>
>>>Try using the ALT key, alone.  That should pop up your Desqveiw window from 
>>>inside a mouse using program.
>>
>>>(The ALT key is the DESQ key, and functions identically to the middle mouse 
>>>key.)
>>
>>i believe (if memory serves right) that the default is both alt keys
>>
>>--
>>bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
> 
>The default (on DV-386 2.42/6.02 on my system anyway) is either of the ALT
>key alone, not both alt keys together...

>John

i stand corrected. personally i changed to make use of that otherwise
useless sysrq key. so i forgot, hummmm maybe one of the options
is both alt|shift and various combinations. i forget i'm sorry,
and the book isn't here. next time i'll look it up if there exists
?'s > memory refresh rate

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From: spit@neuro.duke.edu (Michael Burdick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DV/Internet question
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:52:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr1.183835.10003@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov> bryan@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov (Jon R Bryan) writes:
>I have been using Beame & Whiteside's Telnet and FTP for over a year now
....
>of Telnet which I have doesn't behave if you switch it to the
>background, but it allows multiple full-screen sessions.  I've been
>meaning to upgrade to the latest version since I've been told that it
>behaves in the background now.

I have been using the new version for a couple of months now and it works
very well.  I can have multiple windows with either Telnet or FTP running
with no problems.  They do not have to be full screen.

>Just a (reasonably) satisfied customer.

Just a satisfied customer :)

Mike Burdick
spit@neuro.duke.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: Ralf.Brown@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Subject: RE: DV/X AND THE 8514
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:25:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science
Originator: ralf@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <362.70.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) wrote:
}exercise their ingenuity.  Someday VESA compatibility will be
}meaningful, but until then DV/X would have to have dozens of different
}drivers, which might/might not work with various groups of cards,
}depending on chipset, available RAM, manufacturer...

So you don't consider it meaningful that there are VESA drivers
available for 90+ percent of all SuperVGA cards ever made, and virtually
all current SVGA cards are VESA capable (about 3/4 via 2-3k TSR drivers
and 1/4 via VESA in ROM)?

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From: chaz@vpnet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Call for DesqView/X conference
Summary: NO need to split up c.o.m.d.
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:48:16 GMT
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

In article <1992Apr6.144600.39076@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> SLOANE@UKANVAX.BITNET writes:
>In article <92094.234710U20565@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U20565@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> Seeing that even with DesqView just being released, it is going to generate
>> much discussion perhaps there should be an independent conference for
>> DesqView/X.
>> 
>> This only makes sense, that way people will not have to weed through the
>> postings constantly discerning DesqView/X from DesqView/386. Sure they are
>> related, but some people may not care about the up and coming deluge of
>> postings, questions, etc., which will probably border on more of a UNIX
>> conference (for obvious reasons) than it will on DesqView 386.
>
>This seems like overkill at the present time. Over the last three
>weeks there have been only 147 articles posted to the group.  I
>don't think "weeding" through seven articles per day is that much
>trouble.  Why not save this proposal until the traffic gets up to
>around 40-50 articles per day, and then propose it again.

  Ay-MEN to that!
  If these folk think that they have to "weed through" items, they ought
to give teh OS/2 miscellany group a try (and TRY weeding through 100+
items per day)!
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From: sgilley@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Ok, should I upgrade to DV/X?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:39:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio

I'd been hoping that someone would post a fairly complete
review of DV/X, but if that happened, it didn't make it to
my system.

I use Desqview for task switching and running programs in the
background.  Admittedly, I don't seem to use it very often.
What I had hoped with DV/X, was that I could move the client
X programs over from Unix, and compile and use them.  Alas,
it doesn't seem to be so, not with the developers system and
Xlib going for as much as they are.

My system is not networked, and probably won't be soon.

At the risk of sounding heretical, I prefer the Windows interface
to the DV interface.  I *like* an interface that allows me to iconise
and easily move windows around.  But I can't get Windows to run
the same number of tasks that DV will.

So, what'd'ya think?  Should I upgrade?  I hate to miss out on
the "introductory offer", but I also hate to spend the money if
it doesn't really provide me any functionality.

By the way, I'd love to read a full review, if someone would care
to post...

Sean.

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From: valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Received my DV/X
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:22:30 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh) writes:


>Wow! Wow! Wow!  Windows, eat your heart out.  DV/X even has a better
>title screen!

>Just noticed another bug -- the Switch Windows number must be re-assigned
>by the server.  The number reported by the API call and the number
>on the window border are 2 different numbers.

I don't know as I'd call this a bug just yet.  It does make (your) PS
look a little funny (i.e., different than the Switch Menu)

I bet there is an explanation, though. (Perhaps related to why you get
two entries on the Switch Menu when you run Windows {tm})

>They are also stepping into DVSI territory -- including is a system
>monitor, which gives some of the DVSI PS info.  There is also a real
>PS & KILL provided.  The DV/X Ps doesn't do much; it just tells you
>the current process state -- it should be easy to reverse-engineer
>and add to the DVSI PS.  There's also a whole print spooler.  And
>there is a RUN.COM which only lets you run .DVPs, but it also allows
>you to run things remotely.  And there is some hacked-in TSR support
>for the Unix "&".  I think the QOS guys are finally figuring out what
>a real op sys can do...

Well, in fact, if you look at it, they seem to have sucked up quite a
few of the shareware DV offerings, including DVSI.  There is a
BACKDROP.EXE in there, as well as a NWCAST.EXE (though I haven't figured
out how to run either)  Both were available as shareware for DV Classic
(love that term!).  Apparently, the idea for BACKDROP started out on
X/Window systems, so it seems appropriate that it be in DV/X.

Final question: Are you supposed to be able to run Windows {tm} full-screen
inside a small window?  My experience is that I can run Windows in a
small window, but I only see a part of the Windows screen inside that
window, i.e., the Windows screen doesn't scale itself.  Is this the most
I can expect?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: RE: NO LONGER USING DV OR
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> And DV gives you something which you've taken for granted on your
-> workstation: pre-emptive multitasking.  Windows does not!

 Actually, Windows *does* - but only in 386 enchanted mode, and with a
lot more overhead (performance hit) than DV.  For the times when I have
two different comm sessions, my editor, and a junk window, four 80x25
text windows in 1024x768 mode is the only way to fly.

 DV/X looks interesting, but I'd much rather Q'deck had spent the effort
in adding real installable video drivers to DV.  Popping back and forth
among full-screen sessions or looking at pieces of screens stinks.  Fix
that, and Windows suddenly has a lot less going for it.
From: wsm0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Wayne S. Mery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: telnet under dv
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:18:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <maynor.703292728@Ra.MsState.Edu>, maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie May
nor) writes:
>s2942275@techst02.technion.ac.il (Yaniv Golan) writes:
>
>>Problem: I am using telnet (tn3270.exe) under Desqview. It hangs up the
>>computer once in a while whith a QEMM displayed messages saying that the
>>program had done something illegel etc Terminate or Reboot. But it never
>>gets to processing my answer - a cold reboot is needed to get out of it.
>
>I have exactly the same problem and have had it for many months --
>  -- Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Make sure you have 'runs in background' set to Y and '-w' switch specified on
the card driver (whatever it's called).  I load the driver and the packet
driver before loading DV and rarely have trouble.  Stability got better after
I put up DV 2.4.

Wayne
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: chris@blarney.MIT.EDU (T Christopher Murphy)
Subject: Re: Does DV/X work over a LocalTalk network??
Keywords: desqview,x,dv/x
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:00:30 GMT

The real question is does either FTP or Novell's kernals support IP on
localtalk.  There is a packet driver for localtalk, but the docs say
special support is needed in the clients.  A name in the docs is Katie
Stevens, dkstevens@ucdavis.edu, or you can get in touch with FTP or
Novell and ask them.

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From: davidr@hplsla.hp.com (David M. Reed)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:42:08 GMT
Subject: Re: no longer using DV or QEMM
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA