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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Various questions: Coil, NWW, etc.
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:26:40 GMT

bkeeley@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brian Keeley) writes:

>I notice that Coil has reissued "How to Destroy Angels" on CD,
>together with about 5 other tracks, which given the titles look an
>awful like other stuff from the era of that single.  Anybody want to
>review it for us?
I would guess that those tracks are already on the 'Unnatural History'
CD? (This one contains ~10 tracks, which are all re-releases from 
old pieces for obscure samplers etc.)

>Now that folks here have got my mouth watering for the NWW
>_Psilowhateveritscalled_ box of their first several CDs, anybody
>want to tell me where I can order it from Stateside?  Who has
>distribution rights (if anyone) for UD in the States?  Or am I going
>to have to send my British "buyer" looking for this monstrosity?
The Psilotripitaka contains the first four UD releases (all wrong spelled:
The Lady's Home Tickler (this is only in the first 1000 boxes), 
From a tiny girl to silent men (sp?), Chance meeting on a dissection table...,
Merzbild Schwet). The box is available as LP or CD box. If you can't get
hold of this, i could mail you the address of Normal in germany who probably
has some of the LP boxes left.

Other recommendations: John Brume, Strafe Fuer Rebellion (thanks to Marco).

>I'll shut up now,
>            Reality

good luck,
Adrian
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From: sol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (larry carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Nurse With Wound question
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:23:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Well, according to this old United Diaries catalog, UDT 04 is Merzbild Schwet.


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From: Tim.ONeill@english.utas.edu.au (Tim O'neill)
Subject: Re: Ministry Samples
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.220313.215256@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jvc0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Carrier) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct1.203132.3476@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, cmparris@midway.
> ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish) writes:
> >
> >  Can anyone give me the sources for any of the samples in So What?
> >
> they come from a b-movie from the 1950's called "the violent years", which is
> about a female crime ring.

OK, but what about the sample at the beginning of 'Just One Fix'? What are 
those guys saying and where's it from?
Tim O'Neill
From: jvc0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The The (where did it go?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:50:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Are you sure about that?  He has several brothers, one of whom died at
>the start of the band's "The The Versus the World" tour in 1989.  The
>tour was postponed because of it.  The new re-release of "Cold Spell
>Ahead" features cover art from Andy Johnson.  It would be awful if Matt
>lost two of his brothers in the space of three years, but I have a feeling
>you have things confused.  Incidentally, "The The Versus the World" was
>just released domestically in the USA on video (last week, I think).
>If anyone knows about a Laserdisc release, please inform me.


to clarify, i was told his brother who does his art died.  i was told this by
the head of talent recruitment for Sony music {epic}.


                        geoff
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From: dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD)
Subject: Coil: Member mystery solved...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:58:00 GMT

	From everything I've seen, heard, read, or had related to me, 
the current Coil lineup is this:
John Balance (vocals, lyrics, music)
Peter Christopherson (music [keys and sampling/noise])
Stephen F. Thrower ( noises/keys/horns/etc. stuff)
Otto Avery (Music (mostly rhythm programming)

BTW, if this post, or another like it from me was posted previous to this one, no flames please. My reader decided to go spastic on me when I first tried to post this...

J. David Dickens . . . dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu
From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: words are everything
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.225255.268@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>I read somewhere about Ogre vowing never to release any LAST RIGHTS lyrics
>since they were too personal
>Other people's interpretations would be ...... well 
>other people's interpretations

	actually, he said he wouldn't be releasing them anytime soon, but
ossibly someday they will be released... Same with Bill Leeb.. lyrics have
never come with FLA albums, really, so there is a possibility of a lyric
book in the future, or so he implied.



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From: dkletter@adobe.com (SUGAR in their vitamins?)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: (z)soviet-france (more stuff)
Keywords: ZOVIET FRANCE
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:03:20 GMT
Organization: Flying Esophagus Productions

rmapes@haydn.helios.nd.edu (ryan mapes) writes:
>indy releases), and someone mentioned I might like Zoviet France -
>particularily "Just an Illusion".  Unfortunately, they don't mainstream
>release thier albums here in the USA...just Great Britain and Germany,
>I think.

wrong. some of ZF's stuff is on a UK label, but a lot of it is being
handled by DOV which is exclusively distributed in the US by Silent Records.
(i'll post the FAQ in little bit so you can jot down Silent's phone number)
the others are pretty easy to find at any local Tower Records.

>Based on
>the groups mentioned, would I in fact enjoy them?  Opinions anyone?

i doubt it, but you might as well give it a try. their album JUST AN ILLUSION
is a limited edition deal, which may be why it is hard to find. it has
a very "ethnic" feel to it. probably one of their few releases that has
some very definite rhythms in it. it's quite good, but i'd say it sounds
more like eastern music with very eerie soundscapes and noise textures.
most of their stuff is in line with the whole Hafler Trio, PGR, John Duncan,
Lustmord experience of ambient noise textured together. probably my
favourite ZF album has to be MOHNOMISCHE, but good luck finding it. i
understand that it's pretty much not in wide release on CD.

hasta.

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From: lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu (larry fiddick)
Subject: Re: Nurse With Wound
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:01:47 GMT


i've seen a great nww rerelease--in fact i think i may give in and buy it
tonight. brained by falling masonry/short dip in the glory hole and 
...and i am at rydberg's (?) is now available on one disc.

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From: kruegewa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Puffin)
Subject: Re: PARKA: USENET HELPFUL HINTS...
Followup-To: alt.flame.eternal
Keywords: kill Matthew Neill Sharp
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:19:56 GMT

Matthew Sharp writes
>cramsay@nextweek.Reed.Edu (Celeste Ramsay) writes:
[included posting removed]
>
>
>
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>Hey Celeste:  Helpful USENET hint number 1.
>		Eighty Columns per line.
>
>
>
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>
>Just another instance of my incredible helpfulness...

And what would we do without it?  Perhaps have one less entry in our kill  
files...

(Oh, and before you ask why I saw your posting, I'm using NewsGrazer which just  
lowlights [opposite of highlights] killed articles), so you're really  
conspicuous.)
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From: pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: new Meat Beat Manifesto
Summary: I gots it - SATYRICON
Keywords: anybody have it?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:24:28 GMT
Organization: technology>>works

>>> 
>>	Not impressed with cd single, none of the versions. Hopefully cd
>>will be better. Sounded too much like 99%
>>

  Same here - I thought a couple of the tracks on the single were ok,
hated the LFO (it was them, right?) remix.  Liked the Volume 4 cut
and apprehensively listened last night.....JACK IS GOD!!!!  There is
some incredible shit on this one - not anywhere near as dense as Storm
the Studio but it isn't a clone of 99% either.  I kept thinking the 
whole time "my downstairs neighbor must HATE the sub" because there are several
tracks that use way lower sounds than I've heard on any MBM (including
Radio Babylon).  So if you're at all inclined towards MeatBeat, this is 
a must.  Oh yeah, after reading the interview in Volume 4 I was worried
about this being Consolidated Jr, but there is only one track I can 
recall that used anything like the Consolidated "woman are oppressed"
kind of samples.  And the version of Original Control (#2) is some of
the raviest stuff I've heard Jack do.

  As for a tour, the 808 State/MBM tour is off - they'll both being
going out separately.  MBM kicks off late October from what I recall, 
I should have details early next week.

paul/tw

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From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Eeeee Dirty Word Industrial Metal Versus Post Industrial
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:42:31 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

Kia Ora,

Why not call for votes, there enough sarcasm to warrant so,
or will be enlightened on a little more Maori Tribal history...
is it not?

For a start there's the Maori dance of war, its called the Haka.
This used to performed by the Maoris when they wanted to frighten
of their opponents. Its performed with much shouting, gesturing and 
sticking out of the tongue, now maybe now its the trendy thing to do?
No not really its miles too mainstream, why the world famous mainstream
NZ All Black rugby players perform it to people at their games, how 
embarassing, considering the last few teams havent won shit all!
Maybe this is why I've only heard it sampled by Maori Rap bands so far....

Anyway this is for Stefanie....

In article <1992Oct12.131713.3734@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, nc313060@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>	I have a lot on my mind today, music-wise. Like one of my friends 
>told me this weekend that Ministry has just invented a new kind of music.
>Hold onto your hats - it's called Industrial Metal. What is the big deal to
>have to place music in categories INSIDE of categories? Isn't it enough to 
>just say that they are industrial?
>

Well where have you been over the last year or two? If you have'nt
already noticed the face of music in general has been changing 
or do you like half the people chose to ignore and go on putting
down the musicians who doing what they want because they want.
They're pleasing themselves, you notice people like Alien Jourgensen
who was so wonderful beforehand is now mixing sounds with metal
bands, as mentioned on this group. Quite incesterous, if you want to
know what I really think.

There are two sides to the story -  what is it really, it dont fit in 
so it must be "Post - Industrial" so Industrial must be dead apart
from a few flailing bands, eh what! So lets not call it anything
but <<noise>>. I feel that that is the feeling of a lot of posters
in this group.
                                       
I'm posting an interview from Mick Harris from Scorn because a) I 
don't care what people say, its about time people looked and saw
what people are trying to do with their music, its not pretty,
some of you already dont like it and I find it a bit of a joke
coming from a country where music imports have always been thin
on the surface and you have to specially order them, but hey
that's our problem. We have our own music scene which isn't
americanised (australia is the same here) or english, its our 
own  and you wont have heard of our sound apart from the jangly pop 
stuff either. 

Lots of people like Top 40 pop, its just a fact of life.... forget
the nightclubs, change your friends, live a little, attend a warehouse 
party, learn to enjoy yourself, be a little outrageous.... it cant do any harm do it?


And btw MNS when was the last time you did you-know-what? 

An offering of spite from

             

 
Red
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Review: Various Artists - Nervous Systems
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:28:12 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Oct06.213741.28974@sco.com> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>
>Various Artists		Nervous Systems			Mute CD Stumm 41 [UK]
>
>	Total Running Time: 71 min 27 sec

Not a bad disk, one of the tracks (number 5 I think) confuses my CD player.
It starts by counting -0.02 -0.01 0.00 0.01 0.02 etc, can anyone explain this?
Its also quite reasonably priced, 9 pounds 99p I think. I just bought it
for the two DAF tracks, I must admit I didn't like all the tunes :*(

ta-ra 
calv
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From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nin Inch Nails - Nothing
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:55:49 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct11.233100.2357@news.cs.brandeis.edu> weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
>
> Also, a DJ here in Boston said that the forthcoming NIN *album* is due in
> January. Guess he's making up for lost time. Aren't we blessed? :-)

Yep, the new album was mentioned in the latest issue of Vox in the review
of _Broken_ (which they weren't very impressed by). The title *was* given,
but I've forgotten what it was :-( It was definitely omething to do with
spiralling downwards though ("In A Downwards Spiral", "Downwards Spiral",
"Spiral Downwards"?), as the reviewer was trying to make funnies about it
referring to the quality of the music.

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From: etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten Sahlen)
Subject: Side projects by Neubauten members
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:23:35 GMT

I know that the members of Einstuerzende Neubauten have been involved
with various other projects/bands, like:

Blixa Bargeld as an original member of Nick Cave & Bad Seeds
N U Unruh performing with Sprung Aus Den Volken
F M Einheit and Marc Chung playing with Hamburgian band Abwaerts in
the early eighties

I also believe that Alexander von Borsig (sp?) has some solo material
out. But is there more of this sort that I don't know of?

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From: jvc0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The The (where did it go?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:22:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct9.235031.14623@smab.se>, hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson) writes
:
>lee@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Peter Lee) writes:
>
>>No info on "new" The The, but what appears to be one of his first singles
>>("Cold Spell Ahead", originally released in 1981) has just been re-issued on
>>CD in the UK.  I don't know the full history of the track, but it sounds like
>>it was later to become "Uncertain Smile."  The single was recorded live and
>>has a very "rough" sound, but its interesting as a historical document, if
>>nothing else.  I've noticed that this sort of re-issue often preceeds a new
>>release, so there may be something new in the pipeline as well...
>
>Yes, a new albums is on it's way (so it was in -91...).
>
>Also, the Matt Johnson's "solo" album, <Burning Blue Flame>,
>is also supposed to be out "real soon now". (on CD that is)
>
>BTW. Regarding old Swans on CD, everything should be out
>now, I just laid my hands on <Cop> + <Young God> on one CD
>which completes my early Swans collection.

there is a new The The album coming out, but it won't be out for a while.  I
did manage to get an advance cassette from someone, and it's completely
different from anything else he's done.  it's delayed because of the cover
art, which used to be done by matt johnson's brother, who died.
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From: b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: backnforth
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:51:13 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
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Marty D Weil (mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: to save me a trip to the record store, has back and forth been released in
: the US or just canada?
: 
: also, anyone know when the love in vein cd5'll be out?
: 
: also, also, many thanks to the person who said to go out and buy skrew's
: disk!  i sort of condsider it to be what ministry's new album would be like
: if it was good!  if you at all like ministry then buy this cd!  geez, way too
: many goddamn !'s!
: 
: 
: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
: "EVERYBODY IS A BOOK OF BLOOD.                mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
:  WHEREVER WE'RE OPENED; WE'RE RED."
: -clive barker
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As far as I know BNF has only been released in Canada by Nettwerk themselves.
Go get it, it's great!

/fREDRIK * b92fdu@tdb.uu.se

...watch closely...ah...
From: angst@shamrock.ucsb.edu (love)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Back and Forth
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:24:27 GMT
Organization: EAR/Rational Music

I don't know about this metal box thing, but I'll be getting regular copies
of Back and Forth in a couple of days.  Supposedly there are 8 extra tracks
as compared to the original cassette copy.

Since it's on Nettwerk, they should be available at your local store, but if
not, send me email if you want one.
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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: B20
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:00:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>I have been waiting since 1988 for the "forthcoming" _Steelworks_ album.
>It's not as good as I had hoped, but I do like it fully.  But B20's best
>stuff was in the late 80's, the first singles just blast away this Bog and
>Carpe Diem ( originally recorded with Umo Detic ) stuff.  Just my opinion.

We have the album at the station.  I don't like the single ('On the Run') at
all.  Pretty cheezy.  But the first song on the album is pretty cool.  Can't
vouch for the rest of it though...

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From: trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Review: Nine Inch Nails - Broken
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:50:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:


>the total time *appears* to be almost 38
>minutes, but six minutes of that is blank space and the disc's true length
>is just under 32 minutes.

Actually, it's more than 33 minutes.  My CD player reported something 
like that, but not being the anal type, I don't remember the exact number.  

>...got lots of thrashy guitars, angst-ridden lyrics, metallic boings and
>clanks, but some of the tracks still retain something recognisable as a pop
>hook.

They do age well, though.  I'm beginning to like it more.

> ...much of it apparently reflecting the view that if the world
>is nasty and unpleasant, saying "Fuck" at it a lot will make things better.

It doesn't?  Damn, maybe I ought to re-think my philosophy...

>of emoting rather more convincingly and in a rather less one-dimensional
>manner ("Something I Can Never Have") than is demonstrated here. 

Really?  That track is so whiny that it convinced me that Trent really
needs therapy, or perhaps a sit in the Dandelion Patch.


>{Suck} is about as
>subtle as a brick to the cranium.

With a slice of Lemon (actually, I think that's a dzhinnnnnint'
onicks)
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: COP SHOOT COP
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Sharp) writes:
>They were by no means the "first TWO bassist band."
>Restricting the candidates to the popular music genre,
>I could name seven other bands to try this before
>Cop Shoot Cop, and I'm sure there are people who
>could name more than that.

Yes, but you didn't Matthew. I share your suspicion that the original
poster's problem was a lack of exposure to anything not wearing black.
How about

Dos [jeepers -it's even an SST project]
Ornette Coleman's boys [Oh, to share a stage with Jamaladeen Tacuma]
Hugo Largo [no drummer, either]

There's a punk outfit, some jazz, and some alternative music. Now that
I think of it, Ladysmith Black Mambazo has about 10 or 12 basses and
one tenor [the late Joseph Shabbala].

Hope this helps. I'm genuinely curious about my overlap with Matt.
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