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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:25:00 CST
From:         I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      _Love, Devotion and Surrender_

>Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:24:05 CST
>From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      Re: New Thread....
>
>
>>Carlos Santana and John Mclaughlin _Love Devotion Surrender_
>
>I'm anxious to hear about this - is it now or old? Santana and Mac together!

Paul,

   It's an interesting recording, but I'm not sure I'd run right out and get
it.  It's from the early 70's (1973?), and while it does have Santana and Mc
together (as well as Larry Young (Khalid Yasin?)), it's fairly
self-indulgent.  (Something else to keep in mind -- this was the time of
their "spiritual awakening" (Carlos' first of several), and this had a
definite effect on the music.  I believe that Santana was eventually better
because of this time, but here he was still "testing the waters".)

   They do a nice acoustic version of _Naima_ and extended versions of _Let
Us Go Into The House of The Lord_ and _A Love Supreme_ (yes, *that* one).
To be honest, I haven't listened to it in ages, but if you want Santana and
Mc together, I would recommend Santana's _Welcome_ on the strength of one
tune: they do a nice extended duet on a tune called _Flame/Sky_.  (It also
features a decent rendition of Trane's _Welcome_.)

   Possibly the most fun part of _L, D & S_ is the photo with Santana and Mc
looking very pious as they stand with Sri Chimnoy (who looks like a man from
whom you wouldn't want to buy a used magic carpet.)


      bye,
      cmv ("devadip chuck chimnoy")
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Subject: Re: Another "Who recorded this song" question
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In article <1ikikoINNq8d@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
knossos@carson.u.washington.edu (Judy Broocks) wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Does anyone know the name of the song belonging to the following lyric-bits,
> and who recorded it?
> 
> References to "Holy Moses"
> "All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
>  all you people in the streets...
>  the pieces are gonna fall on you."
> 
> References to "Holy Noah"
> "All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
>  all you people in the streets...
>  the rain's gonna fall on you."
> 
> The snippets of lyrics and the melody have been tormenting my every waking
> hour for the past several days.  Please save me from the agony of not
> knowing who is responsible for this! It's a very catchy tune...
> 
> Thank you kindly in advance!
> 
> Judy

Wasn't that those lovely Hooters?

KJtW

"Honey, I'm home!!"
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:00:38 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

Leonard Watkins sez:
>I would think that if i didn't want you to take my picture i should have the
>right to not allow my picture to be taken (i'm copyrighted).

are you?

newspapers need permission to print the picture of someone, but i believe
that is because the picture is to be printed at a profit to the newspaper.
if you take photos for private use only, there should not be a conflict
with the interests of the photographed (other than embarrasment and so
forth, which would only be a factor in court if the pictures were not kept
to a private use only.

hmmm. gives new dimensions to the look-and-feel lawsuit, no?

woj
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:46:23 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wendy Carlos "SONIC SEASONINGS" on Compact Disc
              "david_a._lewis@EDGEWAY.WIMSEY.BC.CA" at Jan 5, 93 10:11:27 am

> I'm looking for a particular album by the electronic/classical/avante garde
> composer Wendy Carlos, entitled "SONIC SEASONINGS", in COMPACT DISC format. It
> was originally issued as a  vinyl L.P. in 1972 on "Columbia Stereo" (red
> label) serial #PG-31234 .
>
> If anyone reading this has EVER seen "SONIC SEASONINGS" on compact disc,
> available anywhere in the world (perhaps as a Japanese import?),  I would
> greatly appreciate hearing from you directly. It is often very difficult to
> "special order" CD's in Canada....hence this request...
>

Send a message to ranjit@netcom.com. He's a very reliable source for hard
to find records/tapes/compact discs of electronic and progressive music. If
it's out there, chances are very good that he'll be able to find it for you.

-Adam
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Hey, I mentioned him in rec.music.bluenote.

(I did, really I did, somehow you don't believe me?)

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:11:09 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Songs of Freedom

>   For Xmas I got given Bob Marley's _Songs of Freedom_ 4-CD pack. After
> listening to it a few times, all the way through, I would like to say that I
> find it to be a very cleverly put together set. First, it is like a _best of_
> and contains all his greatest hits in one form or another. Second, it's
> excellent value for money (the total running time is 2 mins. short of 5 hours!

Damn, you beat me to it. I was gonna review this soon, but I haven't even
listened to the whole thing yet. Yes, it is jammed pack full of music. I think
the 4th disc has over 77 minutes of music. I thought the CD limit was around
74 minutes. I didn't think too much of the first few songs. Geesh, this stuff
is really old, 1962!

Yes, it has lots of alternate mixes and previously unreleased stuff.

> Hosko
>
>
> PS. Would anyone care to given me a quick rundown on what topics were
>     discussed while I was away - just incase I missed something juicy.

Well, we're doing a compilation tape. Email me privately if you are
interested and I'll send you the announcement. Also, you missed the ALLMUSIC
awards for 1992. You should check the archives!

Seeya,
Gary, the tape dude
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:43:41 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What did ya listen to

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:07:09 CST Leonard Watkins said:
>I'm curious to what the last album/cd..etc everyone listened to, we know
>what everyone likes, but what have you listened to lately.

Last night I decided I needed to pull together some picks for the compilation
tape, and tore through several CD's, such as: Coltrane - Giant Steps, John
Scofield - Grace Under Pressure, Jeff Beck - Guitar Shop & Flash, Eric Johnson
- Ah Via Musicom, Joe Satriani - Not of This Earth & Surfing with the Alien.
Hmmm... lotsa guitars there. Along with other stuff, I had a list of 20 tracks
that I had (and still have) to narrow down to my 5 picks. #1 will be SRV's
version of Little Wing.

>Is there two Eric Gales..There is one on a Tom Scott cd i forget the name is
>it the same Eric Gales that is young and supposed to be the next guitar god

I think I came to this realization just yesterday. A couple of years ago I saw
a CD called The Eric Gales Band, which was festooned with the sort of rave
comments you used to see on SRV's early albums. I forgot about it, and then
asked somewhere on the net about Eric Gales. Someone told me about him being
this great player who'd done all this stuff as a sideman, and I was surprised
that I'd never heard of him. Then I ran across his name somewhere else (book,
catalog, record - can't remember), associated with some mid-70's fusion. Wait
a second I thought, this guy in the Eric Gales Band didn't look old enough to
have done that... but... I'm not *totally* sure because on the cover of the
EGB CD, there is a young guy wearing a SRV-style hat, but to his right is an
older looking guy, who is *probably* not Eric Gales, but it's a mystery to me
since I've never seen him. I gotta find out for sure now - I hear that's a
pretty scorching CD so maybe I'll just pick it up - I've bought stuff on much
less evidence before :-)

>What happened to Terence Trent Darby(sp)

Good question - I considered picking a track from his first album for the
tape (but it had to be scratched from the list, like many other great tunes).
Maybe he turned into a fish. (Weird D'arby and Faulkner ref. there...)

Paul
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: good songs from bad singers

Crispen threads:

>Hey, gang, possible NEW THREAD: Songs you like from artists you
>hate?

1. I Saw Her Standing There - as done by Tiffany
2. On My Own from Les Mis - as done by Debbie Gibson
3. I Will Always Love You - currently climbing the charts in it's Whitney
Houston Incarnation


These are the one's that come to mind right now. There are a lot of songs
that I think were remade better than the original - You Can't Hurry Love by
Phil Collins being a specific case. I have trouble separating the song form
the performer, so I can't say I really like any songs where I didn't feel
the performer did a bad job on a good song - at least not that i can think
of. If the performer did a lousy job, I'm likely not to like the song,
either.

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Subject:      Re: Cadence and cascade

Mike <MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> aks:

>Which CD of Joni Mitchell do you recommend for the best
>Jaco performances?

I believe Jaco is on _Shadows And Light_, and even if he isn't,
Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays are.

Rev. Bob
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      ELP Live

The following just appeared on ELP Digest:

>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:47:45 +0900
>From: Atsushi Shionozaki <shio@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp>
>
>The New ELP Live CD has been released in Japan (Dec. 16).
>
>        Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
>        Live at the Royal Albert Hall
>        VICP-5222
>        2,500 yen about $20US
>
>Here are the track listings:
>
>
>  Live at the Royal Albert Hall
>
> 1. Karn Evil 9 (1st Impression, Part 2)  2:14
> 2. Tarkus (Medley)                       9:32
>    Eruption
>    - Stone of Years
>    - Iconoclast
> 3. Knife Edge                            5:29
> 4. Paper Blood                           4:09
> 5. Romeo & Juliet                        3:40
> 6. Creole Dance                          3:21
> 7. Still... You Turn Me On               3:13
> 8. Lucky Man                             4:39
> 9. Black Moon                            6:37
>10. Pirates                              13:18
>11. Finale (Medley)                      14:42
>    Fanfare for the Common Man
>    - America
>    - Rondo

Yum again!
Bob
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:35:23 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      primus

Paul Heroy sez:
>Claypool is a monster.

reluctantly, i have to agree to a point. it's not that difficult to play
a slap-happy electric bass, but claypool does it lightyears better than
the other funky bassists.

>It's not easy to get into - it's got a really *hard* punk/funk/metal edge, and
>not a whole lot of melody,

yeah, it's pretty rhythmic stuff, but there is lots of melody there as
well. i wouldn't say that primus is exactly *hard* either, but it's not
light stuff by any means.

i saw they about a year ago at the tower theatre in philly. last time i'm
ever going there - it's all reserved seating, which is not the best for
a band such as this (or fishbone, who was the headlining act). they did
a decent show, though i wasn't overly impressed by them - just good, solid
playing.

far as albums go, i with bloom on this one: the first one is best.

woj
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:06:49 CST
From:         Cammie Milligan <CCCAMMIE@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      A couple of questions

I am not subscribed to allmusic anymore but would appreciate it if someone
could give me some information on a group called Newcleus.  I think they have
an album called "Jam On It" but I'm not sure.  I really don't know too much
about them--but I would like any info you've got!  (such as song titles, albums
names of band members, history, etc)  Since I'm not on the net would you please
address your replies to cccammie@mizzou1.bitnet.

Thanx in advance,
Cammie Milligan
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:28:39 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      One-hits (Rev. Dave)

>> Rev. Dave: "Didn't MWH have another hit with 'Pop Goes the World'?"

Well, I thought about that, y'see, and I figured that "Safety Dance" was a
"hit," while "Pop ..." wasn't as successful and would be more of a "release."

If we're going by releases, then Kajagoogoo would be null and void, too. They
had a release called "Shouldn't Do That" that went nowhere, but nonetheless
was released.

This would also discount Mike's Til Tuesday suggestion. They had a follow-up
minimal-airplay release in 1986 called "Coming Up Close (Welcome Home)", or
something like that.

Heather
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In a previous article, ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins) says:

>NMC: If workers are radomly drug tested, should welfare recipients be tested?

>IMHO neither should be tested

  I vote this as the smartest thing you've ever said, Leonard. I fear before
long that "Remember The Fourth Amendment" will be a popular battle cry. 

  Buy don't let the GOP know you feel this way, L.W. -- they'll take away
your free membership in the NRA.  :)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:47:41 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      odd musicalities

  First odd thing:  Coltrane's Ascension on vinyl(!).  Great music.
But, it had a scratch, and kept repeating this one section over and over.
It sounded good!  Took me a minute to realize it was repeating.  It was
just long enough to seem as if it was actually varying.  Now, it would
never have happened if it was a CD.  You might get that quickly repeating
CD-echo-skip, but not a repeating passage.  Technology marches on (?).

   Weirdest instrument:  A 6 foot PVC bong (yes, bong, for smoking pot).
One person inhaled, one lighted.  It made a haunting "oooomphh" sort
of sound.  Appropriate too, as using that thing was similar to getting hit
in the gut.  Ah, college days......

Russ
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From:         Jim Grubb <JIMG@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde
              6 Jan 1993 15:24:30 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:24:30 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>(true) OMC:  Clinton is getting Fleetwood Mac back together for an
>inaugeration party.  Ugh.  The rest of the bill is composed of
>like-minded MOR stalwarts....W.Marsalis, I forget who else,.. also
>Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

I heard yesterday that there was going to be a large party outside
and that 2 of the groups were Robert Cray and Los Lobos.
Call me an old fart (you old fart) but I am encouraged by all this.
Middle of the Road is a step forward from where we've been.
JimG
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

All I can say about Zuckerman's spiel is, 1) you have no idea if you are
sounding 18th century or not, baby; aint no recordings from back then; 2)
find some musicians who know how to play the music before you condemn the
idea; 3) find some makers who know how to make the reproductions *right*;
4) you gonna pass up a chance to play a Strad, Zuckie-baby?  I mean, what do
you think a period instrument is, my man?

Playing "period" just for a gimmick sucks.  Playing period to get a new take
on the music and the composer is what it's all about.  Let's face it, Mozart
didn't write for no 92-key Bosendorfer.  Get someone good on a good fortepiano,
and you'll hear some Wolfie you never even knew was there all the time.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:56:42 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:38:30 CST Paul Heroy said:
>
>Well, not quite what you're asking, but: it's unbelievable to me the range
>of saxophones that are out there. I saw Wes Anderson here playing a C-melody
>(I think that's what it's called) sax - it was so small he could barely get
>enough fingers on it to play it, certainly under 12". I've seen an ad in
>Downbeat for a group called the Nuclear Whales Saxophone Orchestra, which
>features a contrabass sax that is nearly 7'!!! This thing is HUGE! I think the
>size quoted in the ad is not even the total length - it looked like it might
>be 10' if you stretched it out. Probably requires a remote control to play :-)
>
Ok, I gotta add the Anaconda to this:  a member of the serpent family
(obviously!), made of PCV, about 30+ feet long, requires 1 person to breathe,
one to handle the left hand finger holes, one to handle the right hand.
Serpents, Unite!
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:52:47 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cadence and cascade

>When I think of 'MTV making bands', the one that comes to mind is Living
>Color. 'Cult of Personality' got quite a bit of play before LC caught on. I
>And to be honest, I have to give at least
>a little credit to MTV for not trying to stereotype or categorize them - as
>a 'black' band that doesn't play 'black' music or a 'metal' band that didn't
>'look' metal, it would have been easy to fall between the cracks, as happens
>to many musicians who make music that doesn't fit the preconceived formulae.

Actually, LC was a perfect band for MTV to promote, for all those reasons.
They could appeal to a very wide audience, without putting anyone off by
being too extreme in any one category.

If you want a band that was invented solely by MTV, just say Poison, and
say no more.

Russ.
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

>I've been told that the THC will linger
>in your innards for up to a month, but I've also heard only seven days.
>Personally, I'd guess two hours, but I'd probably be wrong. So I guess
>the question is, how long with it take before it won't show up? And also,
>are there any wifes-tale remedies out there for hiding the evidence that
>are reliable? Any advice would be appreciated.

Gary,

I've heard 3 weeks in the urine, 6 months in the brain (also can be detected
on the scalp by a really qualified hair-dressor or pathologist I hear).

I also hear that eating poppy seed muffins can give a faulty reading on
"opiates".  But, I'm not a medical type, and this is just what _I've_ heard.
Good luck!

Lisa
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In a previous article, MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET () says:

>GoddDAM! I KNEW there was something I hated about lists! Actually, Jeff,

  That's why I never do lists -- because you hate them!  :)  No, really,
I never make the lists, I merely report them.

>isn't your whole story, very much including the list itself, a reductio
>ad absurdum of the whole idiotic hierarchical culture of great men, halls
>of fame, guided listening, appreciation, aesthetics, and.. what have I
>left out? That whole cultural approach:

  Leave the Latin at home, son... you're talkin' to a hillbilly. You keep
that up and we'll have to make a new catagory for next year's Allmusic
awards: "Most Likely To Use a Pointy-Headed Non-English Phrase When a 
Simple Yes or No Would Suffice"...  ;) 

>Isn't it time we gave "The Five Greatest," "The Greatest Genius," "The Desert
>Island Collection," and all their cousins a HUGE fucking rest? Can anyone
>name ONE single POSITIVE accomplishment of this weenie-wagging foolishness?
>(Ah-HUH! I thought not..)

  Well, as Russ (whom I would rate in "Allmusic's 100 Greatest Guitarists,"
btw) pointed out, it might cause some curious soul to take a listen to 
something s/he may not have without seeing such a list, but I figure the
chances of that are slim (especially knowing the Allmusic population as
well as I do). No, the simple answer to your question is the one that just
about anyone here could have told you without so much as one expended 
calorie: It merely gave me another chance to plug Allan Holdsworth.  :)

  Well that, and perhaps cause a peripheral flame war or two, which is
always fun, right?

  Heh... some people...

  Y'know, this gives me an idea. Knowing how Resnicoff is always outdoing
me on this Holdsworth thing, I think we ought to start doing a friendly
little office bet on the list, where the one who guesses closest to the
number of times Holdsworth's name appears in the upcoming issue of Musician
takes the pot... ;)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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