From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:01:17 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: kvivek@tiger.ecn.uoknor.edu (Khanna 
Vivek)
 
>        I hope that you feel just as strongly about the people killed
>over the years in Punjab. I hope that this is not just hypocritical 
>hype which expresses sorrow over the death of a Sikh and none over 
>that of a Hindu/Muslim/Christian etc.
 
  Interesting, when the killings involve Sikhs all the suddenly 
"Hindu/Muslim/Christian" are grouped into one, when nine times out 
of ten it's Hindu's who are killing Muslims and giving a hard time
to Christians all over the country, where is that grouping then?
 
>        I was also there in New Delhi during 1984. I was quite young 
>then and so were a lot of others. We had offered our services to 
>elders in our colony (both Sikh and Hindu) to form a citizens 
>volunteer force to protect the Sikhs in our colony. I was a resident 
>of Greater Kailash -II in New Delhi at the time. I am quite proud to 
>report Sir, that not one Sikh life was lost in our Colony. That was 
>not due to us alone, to be honest. It was a combination of our 
>presence and good fortune that we were able to be effective. I do not 
>know if we could have held back too many of the attackers, however.
 
  I thank you for your support, however I would also like to mention
that not many (none that i've read or heard about) Hindu families have 
been killed in predominatly Sikh villages in Punjab, including the 
Nov. 84 riots!  In my village there are around 12 Hindu families, I 
had the fortunate chance to talk to one of them on my last trip there 
and asked if they feel safe here and the person replied `yes and told 
me the Sikhs think of them as brothers and sisters and even in 84 saw 
no sense in hurting us!' <-- couldn't say the same for the Hindus 
in Delhi!
 
Another interesting tidbit my cousin, who recently came from India
told me that most of the Hindu youths at his college support the 
Sikhs in their fight for self-determination, they've seen how the 
people of Punjab have been screwed one time to many by the 
self-serving Indian gov't.  
 
>Some years hence, hindus in Khalistan may form terrorist groups and 
>start demanding a separate state. What will you do then? Or did you 
>envisage a hindu free Khalistan Hindus form at least 45% of the 
>population of Khalistan ( if not more). What do you plan to do? 
>Exterminate all of these people or perhaps have a situation like
>1947 again. Are you prepared for that kind of savagery in the 90's. 
 
  'Savagery in the 90's' what do you think the Hindu gov't of India
is doing right now, throwing a birthday party for the Sikhs?  
As for your comment on Hindus occupying 45% of the population of 
Punjab, the majority of them are Dalits who come to our Gurdwaras,
respect the Gurbani, and use our form of the marriage ceremony more
than likely will go with the Pro-Khalistanies after all for most of 
them their lively hoods are connected with the people of Punjab!  
As for the upper caste Hindus i'm sure in time when the pursuit for 
Khalistan comes in the Sikhs favour they will see the economic 
benefits associated with Khalistan for Punjab and want a voice in
the government so they to will favour it, that is why the gov't is 
desperately trying to create a rift among Hindu's and Sikhs!  
 
 
>        That's a very simple question. Rajeev Gandhi died at about 
>10:30 pm. The people came to know about this only in the morning. And 
>then there was confusion for quite a long time about who the killers. 
>Then LTTE was held responsible (still there is confusion about this). 
>Now can you tell the difference between a Tamil and an person from 
>Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh? No you can't. On the Other hand, you can 
>tell a Sikh apart from a hindu or a muslim or a jew etc. Many Sikhs 
 
  I find that hard to belief since the Indian government sent its
troops to find and kill the LTTE in Sri Lanka then how difficult would
of it been to kill them in India, after all they could of used the
voter lists like they did in New Delhi (They even new the apartment 
numbers of the Sikhs to kill in Delhi).
 
>        Do you remember the Punjab of the 70's. I am a Punjabi 
>(native of Batala in Gurdaspur). I love Punjab, and my home there.If 
>there were to be a free and fair referendum in Punjab, then only a 
>few districts would clearly emerge as favouring Khalistan.
 
  I'm willing the bet that ALL Sikh populated districts would vote 
unanonymously for Khalistan, I would like to know where your 
`few districts' were when the elections for chief minister were held 
and there was 85% (95% said the Panthic Committee but i'll go with 
the Indian newspaper figures) less turn out!  My cousin who just 
recently came from India was a total supporter of Khalistan there 
(He was lucky his uncle used to have a high position in the Punjab 
police force before he retired so he was able to get him out when the 
police picked him up because they were threatning to kill him in a 
`fake police encounter' - they even had the location picked.) along 
with his class mates and even here in Canada (and don't tell me 
he is an isolated case), the problem is you guys have been spoonfed 
with stories from people like Khuswant Singh, and other bribed Sikhs!
 

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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