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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:17:59 GMT

Keep
In article <92225.134711343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMU
VM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>There has been some discussion about wrestlers who HAVEN'T done a
>face or Heel turn.  The only 5 that seem to keep coming up are:
>
>Tito Santana
>Jerry Lawler
>Owen Hart
>JYD
>Koko B. Ware (although there has been some speculation of a heel turn prior
>to his current sting in the WWF)
>
>Can anyone shead some light on any of these wrestlers,  or add some of their
>own who haven't had an aligment change ??
>

Cross Lawler off the list, I have seen him as both a face and a Heel

                                                  David Kempster
                                                  Fx
                                                  The Unbound Variable
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Flair and Watts
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Posted-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20: 26:27 cdt
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:26:27 GMT
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Finally getting around to reading the August 6 Torch.  The following
is an excerpt:

"At the [Baltimore] tapings, there were strong 'We Want Flair'
chants which have resurfaced how that Flair's name is mentioned
virtually every week on WCW television.  Watts at one point
responded to the chants by mouthing 'I do, too.'"

I can't imaging Jim Herd ever having the class to do that in
public.  :-)

		--Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer

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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   08/13
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.182813.13535@aber.ac.uk>, dlf@aber.ac.uk (David Leslie Fenerty) writes:
> In article <BsxFKs.qs@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>     [Lots of Yamada/Liger stuff deleted]
> >   So, Yamada went to England.  Yamada won the
> >   World Heavy Middleweight title from the Black Tiger on
> >   September 26, 1986, losing it back in April, 1987.  
>
>     Not sure about this bit. I remember well Riger coming to 
>     Britain, he was billed as Fuji Yamada. I didn't know anything
>     background - we're pretty wrestling-isolated in Britain - but
>     he made an appearance on national television at this time for
>     the Heavy Middleweight title, against Britain's most exciting
>     wrestler (IMHO) The Master of Disaster, Mark "Rollerball"
>     Rocco - an absolute mega-heel. 
> 
>     I can't say I've heard of Black Tiger anywhere on the British
>     wrestling scene.

  Mystery solved.  Black Tiger and Mark Rocco are one and the same.
  Rocco wrestled as himself in England and as Black Tiger in Japan.
  He was impressed with Yamada, wrestling him Japan, and decided to
  bring him to England under the Flying Fuji Yamada name.

                                                        Herb...
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Re: Random musings part I (Lightning Kid)
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Eric M. Chmiel writes:

>     Makes me wonder what Lightning Kid is up to.  Any idea?

Well, I caught part 2 of an interview Wade Keller had with TLK in the Torch
Weekly (August 6, 1992).  He had tryouts with WCW (as was  reported here in
rsp-w) and everyone at WCW said he did well.  Dusty even "came  all the way
out of his little room" to tell Kid he done good.

Unfortunately, this tryout was one  day before  Watts took  over, and every
time Kid calls WCW now, they say "We don't know yet--we'll call  if we want
you".

Kid will continue to work independants and Japan until WCW wakes up.  Kid's
chances would probably be better if he bulked up another 20 pounds (with or
without steroids)  but  Kid  said he'd  move to  Mexico or  Japan before he
ruined his post-career life with 'roids.

He said at 6'1" and getting reeeeal close to 200  pounds now :-)  he should
be given  the same  chance Ricky  Morton (5'9"  and around  190 pounds) was
given in the old NWA.

I agree.

What the hell is the light heaveyweight division  *for* if  you don't bring
guys in like Lightning Kid, Liger, Benoit, etc.

                --Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer
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From: z_maraiajj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Definitive History of Turns
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:32:12 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <MeWrXeC00aw9QEx1Et@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jason Winn Bareford <jb8y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I have compiled these names from ALL of the previous posts
> 
> People that have always been Faces:
> 
> Brian Blair
> Jim Brunzell
> Carlos Colon
> Greg Gagne
> Owen Hart 
> Hacksaw Jim Duggan
JIM DUGGAN WAS A HEEL FOR A TIME IN MID SOUTH WRESTLING WHEN IT WAS AROUND.  HE
WAS PARTNERS WITH MATT BORNE AND TED DIBIASE
> Sam Houston
> Junk Yard Dog
> Mil Mascaras
> Brian Pillman
> Jim Powers
> Dustin Rhodes
> Bruno Sammartino
> Tito Santana
> Davey Boy Smith
> Ricky Steamboat
> Scott Steiner
> Kerry Von Erich
> Kevin Von Erich
> Tom Zenk
> Buck Zumhoff
> 
> The people that have always been heels
> 
> Cactus Jack
> Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd
> Diamond Dallas Page
> Dr. D David Schultz
> Iron Sheik
> One man gang
> 
> Mr Saito was a semi-face when he beat Larry Zbyscko for the AWA title in
> 1989.  As for the others, well I think it's been beaten to death.
> 
> 
> the only other names I could of were
> 
> Tully Blanchard
> The Original Sheik
> Papa Shango
> Kamala
> Tatanka
> Jushin Liger
> Magnum TA
> The Youngbloods
>  
> the top list should be correct, my list I am a little hazy on.
> 
> Jason W. Bareford
> 
>
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW Goings-On...
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:35:00 GMT
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Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Bob,

RM>After not being able to post for 2.5 months, boy do I have a lot to get
  >off my chest...so I'll try to do it in few words (relatively speaking, as

Welcome back.

  >                on the other side" even applies to wrestling.  Just
  >                'cause they wrestle in AJPW automatically makes them
  >                so much better than the Steiners that they can just
  >                walk in and have their way?  Screw that, dude!  Bill
  >                Watts has just succeeded in squashing the truly
  >                superior team (Steiners) so that his UWF good ol' boys
  >                would come in.  And, boy, are they borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring!

To be fair, Doc and Gordy are not wrestling here as they do in japan.
they are much more high impact in Japan.

RM>RICK RUDE?      The best heel in the US today, bar none.  ANYONE who
  >                gets a video copy of tonight's Chono-Rude NWA tourney
  >                final, I'll pay good $ for a dub...e-mail me.

I got the final in the mail today.  It aired on Japanese TV last
Saturday.  Feel free to E mail if you, or anyone, would like to get any
tapes.  I have over 400 tapes of Japanese, Mexican, and US promotions.
15 dollars for a 6 hour tape sounds fair to me.

RM>JAKE ROBERTS?   Lose the snake, dude, and any other gimmick the WWF
  >                played up (except the DDT--finishers can cross
  >                federations effectively).

I agree.  He was Jake the Snake for a long time sans Damian.  He should
go back to that.
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . Grandchildren are a parents revenge!
                                                                               
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From: duggan@terminus.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Subject: Re: Lawler?
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:29:26 GMT

In article <9208210215.AA00193@rachael.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>
>Anyone know if Steve Lawler (wrestling in North Georgia
>Wrestling Association) is any relation to Jery Lawler, or
>if he's just using the name to "ride the bandwagon"?

I don't know for sure, but I don't think he is.  However, this
brings to mind an extremely funny incident.  They showed an old
match of his from circa 1987.  As Joe Pedicino was announcing the
start of the match, he slipped and called Steve ``Jerry Lawler.''
Then we got to see him, and he was wearing the King's style
of tights (the long pants and one shoulder strap).  So apparently
at one time, he was trying to ride the bandwagon.

-rick

"Random acts of violence just don't do it for me anymore.  Call it 
 maturity.  Bang!  Bang!  Heh, heh." - Cactus Jack WCW Saturday Night 07/04/92
Rick Duggan | duggan@cc.gatech.edu | CS1410 TA - Section A
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From: bobh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Bob Hutton)
Subject: WWF IN EUROPE
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:00:49 +0000

The Whiff set for a major push through Germany and a quick visit to
England in September. The tour reads as follows thus far:

Sept 24    Stuttgart
Sept 25     Dortmund
Sept 26     Hamburg
Sept 27      Kiel
Sept 28    Birmingham
Sept 29    Sheffield
Sept 30     Berlin
Oct 1       Munich
Oct 2      Aschaffenburg
Oct 3       Frankfurt

The English dates weren't announced on the British syndies, and yet the
German ones were, which must have rather peeved Sky Sports who
constantly try to prove they are a U.K. only TV outlet in order to avoid
larger Royalty fees from the events which they cover. The U.K. dates
were instead announced only in local newspapers to the cards. Looks like
a major announcement here won't come until after they've sold every seat
they possibly can for SummerSlam. The whisper is that a major tour of
Britain may come in November/ December. As well as the fact that they
can fill out halls here, they seem to be doing a "little and often" sort
of policy to try to block out any WCW tour. Latest figures show 4
million viewers for WCW's WorldWide Wrestling show in the U.K..

P.S. Have just heard that Keiji Muto has taken the IWGP Title from Ricki
Choshu.

Regards,
Bob Hutton.
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: John Arezzi
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Charles,

CH>Wrestling and electronic bulliten board systems have
  >been a theme on the last couple of Arezzi programs. Firstly,
  >there is a "Pro Wrestling Spotlight bulliten board
  >system" that Arezzi is involved with. It is run by some guy in
  >NJ. I am unfamiliar with how BBSs work as a whole (except for
  >this BBS...) but there is an access charge and Arezzi does
  >have an account. He was on in a "chat mode" last night. I am
  >not involved with it. Unless other Arezzi listeners can give
  >some info, call John for more info at (516) 587 2861.

The BBS has a message base and other functions that can be accessed
online, which makes it cost prohibitive for most.  John Arezzi is
learning how to access the world of computers.  He was on the CIS
conference last Sunday.  I think he is partly doing it to combat the
inane ramblings of his ex-partner Vince Russo.

CH>On Saturday's show, Arezzi mentioned that a wrestling hotline
  >reported that many of the wrestlers that John signed will
  >no-show the convention. John was pissed because it was a lie.

Russo posted on Prodigy that the above info could be had on "Coach
Kurt's" hotline.


  >may have involved him. At the root of all this may have been Vince
  >Russo who put up a post on the PRODIGY system asking folks to
  >call this wrestling hotline "tomorrow" for a scooop on Arezzi's
  >convention. (How did Vince know a day ahead of time?).

Then, Russo had the gazongas to say the next day that someone "hacked"
his Prodigy account and posted the info under his name.  What a leper.

  >will be there. I'm working for John that weekend. I will
  >be "assigned" a wrestler and work their autograph line. Are
  >any netters attending? Call Arezzi for details. Arezzi is also
  >running two bus trips (Eves of 8/29 and 8/30) to two cards in
  >the area.

I wish I was.  I will be flying home from San Francisco that day.  It's
just too much.
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . Georgia's on my mind because I never want to go there!
                                                          
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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:43:26 GMT


In a previous article, vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) says:

>We could probably add some more to this list:
>
>The Nasty Boys

Nasties were face for awhile in Florida if I am correct.

>
>Second, if a young face turns heel, Vince seems to give him a VERY 
>strong initial push. (The Rougeaus, Poffo, Shaun Michaels, etc.)

Poffo and the Rougeaus are/were young?


-- 
"Dark Star" Dominic Macika 		internet:macika@emunix.emich.edu

"Standing on a hill in my mountains of dreams,
telling myself it's not as hard as it seems."
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From: brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: Wrestlers I'd like to see
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 05:57:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.220744.12056@aber.ac.uk> dlf@aber.ac.uk (David Leslie Fenerty) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.222526.18126@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>>I was thinking of wrestler varients, and A friend came up with one
>>There is a Mr. Perfect [a GOD IMHO]
>>How about Mr. Pretty reasonable
> What would it be, the Penultimate Warrior? Do I want a comparative or a 
> superlative here?
> How about the Unpleasant Boys ? Or the WWF tag team champs, Tremor and Squall?
>
>Pretty-excitable Roddy Piper.
>
>The list goes on and on....
>
I just thought of some more. 
Somewhjat mucled hogan
average man randy savage
The genous becomes Mr 100 IQ
Da mountie becomes the RNC guy [Royal Newfoundland Constab, the only police
force in North America that dosen't carry guns [YET]
Razor Ramone says "the chicas are just for long term relationships man" and
"Are you scared of me man ju tink I will kick sand in yo face man, No chico
I aint that good man.
Mean Jean  ahh leave him alone.. he is bad enough..
The million dollar man becomes the million ruble man.
The slightly over weight superviser man [big boss man]
Nailz becomes carpet tacks.
Kamula the Ugandian guy [not giant]
The British Poodle [arf arf]
The second notice man  [repoman]
Slight pressure [Crush]
Legion of sissies  [Gee where did I get that from]
From: dlf@aber.ac.uk (David Leslie Fenerty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Another stupid prediction...
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:37:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug16.141415.26058@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
>
>
>A couple of other points:
>
>(1)  I don't know why I didn't see this before but while watching Razor
>Ramon during this weekend's Superstars I remembered that razor blades
>are/were used to cut cocaine into lines and occasionally as a platform
>for snorting coke.  Given the Latin connection (admittedly more Cuban
>than Columbian) there certainly seems to be a strong implicit drug
>connection.  Anybody else see this or have I been watching too much Mr.
>Subliminal?
>
I think that the mark watching television and seeing this guy draped with
gold necklaces would jump to that conclusion anyway, since it fits the
stereotypical Latino image so well. I remember getting that sort of 
impression the first time I ever saw Slick (managing The Natural, and
going after Ricky Steamboat's I-C title). Seemed like a pimp, too.
 Seems to me that Razor Ramon's image is typical Vince. He tries to think up
heel characters that play on the fears of the American public. Ramon is an
obvious example of a South American stereotypical immigrant who just walks
into the States to take advantage of the benefits and freedoms on offer 
without giving anything back in return.
 He's not the only heel who plays on the fears of Mr. Mark:
IRS is there in case this low-intelligence mark hasn't filled the tax form
in right;
Repo-man, for when he doesn't pay his bills;
Papa Shango's there, to play on his fear of the supernatural;
DiBiase's there, and people like him get an unfair edge over him because of
their money;
also, remember the Bolsheviks and Sgt. Slaughter play on the marks' political
fears.

       I'm sure you can think of many others...

                              Dave the Scouser
                              (RSP-W jobber).
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Subject: Re: History of the Faces
From: msonby@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Sonby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:42:19 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <92225.134711343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>There has been some discussion about wrestlers who HAVEN'T done a
>face or Heel turn.  The only 5 that seem to keep coming up are:
>
>Tito Santana
>Jerry Lawler
>Owen Hart
>JYD
>Koko B. Ware (although there has been some speculation of a heel turn prior
>to his current sting in the WWF)
>
Two of these have been heels in the past.  Ware was a heel in World Class
wrestling and mid-southern wrestling about 8-10 years ago, and Lawler has been
both a face and a heel (and sometimes both) several times in his career.

>Can anyone shead some light on any of these wrestlers,  or add some of their
>own who haven't had an aligment change ??
>

I remember this thread coming up about 6 months ago. The only heel I can recall
is the One Man Gang, but some other career faces are:

-Jeff Jarrett
-Kevin Von Erich (is he still wrestling?)
-Davey Boy Smith
-Dustin Rhodes
-Ricky Steamboat
-Brian Pillman

Corrections and/or additions welcome.


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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:44:57 GMT


In a previous article, msonby@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Sonby) says:

>In article <92225.134711343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>
>-Jeff Jarrett

Jarrett did heel work in Texas during the CWA Memphis, WCCW merger.

-- 
"Dark Star" Dominic Macika 		internet:macika@emunix.emich.edu

"Standing on a hill in my mountains of dreams,
telling myself it's not as hard as it seems."
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: my $.02
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.190913.266@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan) writes...
>No one ever claimed it was Shakespeare !!!!
> 
>roger.

  No, but it might as well be.  Wrestling is the purest form of theatre that
has ever existed.  There is no pretense whatsoever that it is an act or that
what you see isn't real.  Every single aspect is presented as if it were to
be treated as real life, not as theatre.  This is why so many people have 
trouble understanding it.  They believe that because it is fake and presented
as real, anybody who watches it is missing out on the punchline.  That is why,
as theatre, wrestling is absolutely perfect.
   When you watch E.T., you are not seeing an alien from another planet, you 
are seeing a midget in a funny costume.  Still, nobody ever says "How can you
watch E.T.?  Don't you know it's fake?  It's not real!  Every word, every 
action is scripted!  Are you stupid?  It's all fake!"  This is because movies
are presented trough a medium which is an acknowledged art form, which is to
say it is an imitation of life, not life itself.  Wrestling however is 
presented as real life, with not so much as a hint that it is booked.  As a 
result many people cannot handle wrestling because the only pretense of it
--that it is fake but presented as real--is so unique and so complex that it 
really is too much to cope with for many people.  Wrestling is popular with 
kids because they cannot understand this paradox, and so they are open-minded 
enough to embrace wrestling without really comprehending the idea behind it.  
After all, there isn't one person in North America over the age of 10 who 
doesn't have some idea that wrestling is fake.
     Wrestling, like movies or theatre, is qualitively based on good acting,
good scripting, good directing, etc.  Some wrestling is acted, directed etc.
better than other wrestling, just like a production of Shakespeare.  The only
difference is that wrestling is more perfect as a form of theatre than
Shakespeare will ever be because it is not presented as theatre at all (when
in fact it is).  And that is why wrestling will forever have to put up with
those (like the original poster of this thread) who cannot handle the very
complex idea of pro wrestling.

*****************************************************  "Bowling isn't a sport,
Eric M. Chmiel***************************************   it's a disease."
*****************************************************       Gov. Jerry Brown
From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of the Faces
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:25:17 GMT
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bsw7At.HGB@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>(William Grant) writes...
>    Scott Steiner, Tom Zenk, Arn Anderson, Steve Austin, Barbarian and 
>Warlord (or were they once faces as Powers of Pain??), Greg Valentine, Kevin

Greg Valentine has flipped at least once, and I once followed the head end
of a possible face turn for Valentine before I left (dunno if it ever ripened)

>Nash in various incarnations, Dallas Page, El Gigante, Chris Chavis, Kamala,

Didn't Kamala turn face once?

>Carlos Colon and the obnoxious Marcus Alexander Bagwell (altough a heel turn
>for this bozo would be a good idea).  These are off the top of my head and may

MAB would make a nice heel.  Sorta like a nice soft punching bag with Trevor's
face painted on it.

T2
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