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From: pires@vxcern.cern.ch
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Rep. Hall: Timor Now Intolerable
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:59:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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*** Originally posted in igc:reg.indonesia  3:23 pm  Dec 11, 1992

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/* ---------- "Rep. Hall: Timor Now Intolerable" ---------- */


For immediate release
December 11, 1992

Contact: Eric Delinsky (202) 226-5470

Rep. Tony P. Hall (D-OH), Chairman of the House Select Committee
on Hunger, today lashed out at the Indonesian government over new
accounts of widespread terror and atrocities by Indonesian forces
in the wake of the capture of Xanana Gusmao, leader of the resistance
movement in indonesian-occupied East Timor, where at least 100,000
people have perished since Indonesia illegally invaded the former
Portuguese colony in 1975.

"These are horrendous reports," said Hall.  "The United States should
not tolerate this kind of conduct by the Indonesians any longer.  The
international community should make it clear that, one way or another,
Jakarta will pay a stiff price if this continues."

Hall reacted to fresh reports on December 10, 1992 from Amnesty International
and december 11 from a respected Catholic organization, the London-based
Catholic Institute for International Relations, and other authoritative
sources, that many people are currently being tortured and beaten in
an Indonesian military effort to break the spirit of the Timorese people.
The United Nations does not recognize Indonesian sovereignty over East
Timor.

Such sources indicate that there have been numerous arrests in the aftermath
of the November 20 arrest of Mr. Gusmao, the Timorese leader.  The military
has announced that he will be placed on trial within three months, and
may face the death penalty.  Last week, Gusmao appeared on Indonesian
television and renounced his long-held views, eliciting charges that he
had been tortured.  East Timor's Roman Catholic Bishop, Carlos Belo, has
indicated as much.  Indonesian authorities waited 17 days before allowing
the International Red Cross to visit Gusmao, but other prisoners have
not been allowed such visits.  Red Cross rules prohibit the organization
from commenting publicly on the conditions of the prisoners it visits.

Hall pointed out that there is longstanding interest in Congress in the
plight of East Timor, citing letters signed by a majority of the House
of Representatives in 1990 and the Senate in 1991.  Hall led a successful
Congressional effort that ended in October with the suspension of $2.3
million in American military training for the Indonesian Armed Forces
for Fiscal Year 1993.  That marked the first time that the Congress cut
aid to Indonesia over the East Timor situation.

"Indonesia will suffer in terms of international goodwill and in other
ways if Jakarta continues on its hard-line source," Hall said.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: 003827s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Yoyok Satiotomo)
Subject: gempa
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:53:09 GMT

Teman-teman ada yang dengar tentang gempa di NTT nggak ?
kalau ada tolong kirim dong.
I'm getting bored with ET's stuff.

Yoyok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:58:09 GMT

In article <Bz42GC.421@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo) writes:

>Saya setuju dengan Sdr. Regius dalam hal pentingnya mendahulukan
>rumusan semantik. Ayo Oki, tayangkan dong rancangan bahasanya!

Sabar Mas, sabar... Segera setelah cukup 'patut' untuk dikemukakan,
tentu akan saya post di sini. Soalnya saya masih punya problem dalam
struktur data yang mesti disertakan. (Pemula itu apakah perlu "linked-list",
"pointer", dan "record"?)

>Paling "mudah", kita definisikan saja semantiknya dengan 
>transformasi ke PASCAL atau C, juga perakitnya.
>Dengan demikian, urusan optimisasi bisa ndompleng perakit
>PASCAL atau C. Coba saja buat perakit Oki->C. 

Membuat semacam preprosesor yang bisa menerima program dalam bahasa Indonesia
barangkali bisa lebih mudah. Akan tetapi, saya kira pemahaman cara
pembuatan perakit (bahasa tingkat tinggi -> bahasa mesin) juga memiliki
segi positifnya. Bidang "perperakitan" masih belum berkembang di Indonesia.
Kalau teknologinya bisa dikuasai oleh orang banyak, tentunya masyarakat
Indonesia bisa menciptakan bahasa-bahasa komputer lain yang bebeda dengan
yang sudah ada (tanpa takut-takut disebut ahli teori yang tidak bisa meng-
implementasikannya).

>Nama Oki 
>bagus juga ya, untuk bahasa rancangan Mas Oki itu?
>
Mengenai nama, saya kira sebaiknya dinamakan "BP-2". Nama itu berasal
dari BPBP, atau Bahasa Pemrograman Bagi Pemula. Angka 2 itu bisa dilihat
sebagai pengulangan "BP". Kalau orang mengira bahwa itu adalah versi ke 2
dari "BP", ya tidak mengapa. Yang penting mereka diberi tahu asal-usulnya.

Saya tak tahu apakah anda suka atau tak suka nama itu, soalnya itu kan 
juga berupa inisial anda. Tapi yang jelas itu hanya kebetulan, saya sudah
memikirkan nama BP-2 sejak lama. 

Saya agak keberatan kalau nama saya digunakan, bukan apa-apa, masalahnya
yang saya pikirkan adalah 'nasib' dari BP-2 itu. Yang saya harapkan,
tentunya orang Indonesia bisa menerima dan mau menggunakan bahasa pemrograman
dalam bahasa Indonesia. Nah, saya melihat bahwa nama "Oki" tidak bisa 
'membantu' mempopulerkannya. 

Problemnya? Saya bukan Niklaus Wirth yang Professor, bukan juga Dennis Ritchie,
setan komputer (hacker) mesin PDP (yang dengan enaknya bilang: "Duh, sialan, 
komputer ini kok nggak ada perakitnya. Ah, gua bikin deh sebentar". 
Hasilnya: C).

Melihat 'kelakuan' orang Indonesia pada umumnya, saya khawatir, belum
apa-apa nanti mereka bertanya: "Bahasa pemrograman Oki? Oki itu titelnya apa?"

>Salam, Bambang

Salam kembali tentu,
Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu




Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: abasu@IASTATE.EDU (Anujit Basu)
Subject: Need info about Indonesia
Reply-To: abasu@IASTATE.EDU (Anujit Basu)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:19:42 GMT


Hi everybody,

I am planning a trip to Indonesia in the middle of June 1993 for about 2 weeks.
I will primarily be visiting Yogjakarta and Surakarta. Can some of the readers
post about interesting and beautiful places to see in Indonesia. I love beaches,
but am more interested in rather less known ones (unlike Bali) which would be
relatively uncrowded. I am also interested in snorkelling, but am not planning
to carry my snorkel, mask and fins all the way there. Can these equipment be
hired somewhere?

Thanks a lot.

Anujit Basu
(abasu@iastate.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:20:00 GMT

In article <lihblvINN8au@lovelady.cs.utexas.edu> regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:
>Oh, ya.  Boleh saya lihat aturan-aturan sintaktis dan semantis
>bahasa anda ini.  ^_^
>
(Ini dia, pertanyaan yang 'mengerikan'...)

Saya harap anda bisa bersabar sedikit, saya belum menuliskannya dalam
bentuk "grammar" yang benar, masih corat-coret. Nanti kalau sudah
bisa diproses melalui yacc, akan saya post di sini.

[...]
>Mengapa tidak 'reinvent' bahasa berdasarkan C++.  Struktur
>C++ sendiri sudah cukup stabil (ada standarnya), dan jika
>anda tidak senang beberapa hal, jangan sertakan hal-hal
>tersebut. Itu jika anda ingin membuat bahasa berorientasi
>obyek.  

Saya pikir lebih baik membuat perakit untuk bahasa terstruktur dulu.
Implementasi dari "inheritance", "polymorphism", dan "encapsulation"
sama sekali belum terbayang di benak saya. (Beda 'kan dengan implementasi
"integer", misalnya). 

>Menurut saya halangan yang lebih besar adalah
>optimisasi program yang dihasilkan dan/atau membuat pustaka
>prosedur/fungsi yang baik.
>[...]
Membuat perakit yang bisa menghasilkan program yang paling optimum memang
tak mudah, tapi itu mungkin bisa diwujudkan untuk versi-versi berikutnya.

Nampaknya anda punya pengalaman di bidang bahasa komputer, bisa bercerita
sedikit? Saya sendiri niatnya ingin membuat perakit, mengenai teori 
'penciptaan' bahasa komputer rasanya sih tidak punya (modalnya cuma a.c.i).

>^_^ regius ^_^
>
Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: pxrizal@student.business.uwo.ca (P.S. Rizal)
Subject: perlu info youth hostel/budget hotel
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:42:03 GMT

hallo rekan2, saya rencana mau keliling boston, new york city, dan 
washington dc. dan mungkin juga ke atlantic city. bila anda punya infonya 
 tolong kasih tahu saya alamat youth hostel atau budget hotel di kota2 
itu. kalau bisa yang didaerah downtownnya. terima kasih banyak 
sebelumnya.
nama saya susanto rizal, dan saya akan kembali kuliah di rotterdam 
january nanti

balas ke  p3rizal@student.business.uwo.ca

untuk tahun depan, bisa kontak saya lewat 
mba-rizal@pc-lab.fbk.eur.nl

sekian...

pxrizal@student.business.uwo.ca (P.S. Rizal)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: share!kst@aloft.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Mempercepat proses pendidikan komputer di Indonesia
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:45:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article <Byr8CA.2qp@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo writes:
> >1. Diperlukan seorang koordinator yang benar-benar ulet.
> Karena Khesing sendiri sudah lama merencanakan proyek ini, langsung
> sajalah pegang koordinator!

Karena saya sudah gagal mengkoordinir Scientific Indonesian, mestinya
mengundurkan diri. :-)  Di samping itu, sekarang saya terikat kontrak
hak cipta, untuk menerbitkan tulisan di luar perusahaan harus melalui
proses yang bertele-tele.

> >2. Persetujuan mengenai pembagian royalti buku.
> Ini tugas koordinator untuk mengajukan proposal bagi anggota
> setelah jelas pembagian tugasnya.

Jumlahnya tidak banyak.  Sepuluh persen penjualan buku dipotong
pajak pendapatan.  Kalau satu buku dijual Rp 3000, untuk penjualan
1000 buku dapat royalti Rp 270.000,  kalau ada 20 anggota setiap
anggota dapat Rp 13,500 (kurang lebih US$6).  Payahnya kalau urusan
ini tidak beres, akhirnya malah bisa saling tuduh menggelapkan uang!

> Coba saja dikumpulkan! Seperti saya katakan di atas, pembagian kerja
> harus berdasar hobi agar tidak terlalu lama pengerjaannya.
> Boleh saya mulai:
> Bambang Prastowo, hobi: konsep bahasa pemrograman (di sekitar
> pekerjaannya Tennent).
> Yang lain?

Sebelum koordinator untuk proyek ini (penyusunan Intro to CS in BI)
terpilih, saya akan mengumpulkan nama rekan-rekan yang berminat untuk
ikut berdiskusi.  Nanti akan saya carikan (atau pinjamkan) mailing list
lain yang lebih sesuai untuk keperluan ini, kemungkinan besar mailing
list untuk Scientific Indonesian yang sudah berjalan tetapi sekarang
sedang sepi.  Selanjutnya hal ini kita pindahkan dari a.c.i. supaya
tidak membosankan para pembaca yang non komputer.

> Eh sebentar... a.c.i kan tidak hanya berisi orang komputer saja?
> Tentunya perlu membuat "mailing-list" terpisah agar tidak
> dimaki-maki orang banyak.

Bagi rekan-rekan yang berminat tetapi belum menyatakannya di a.c.i.,
harap kirim mail langsung ke saya.  Mudah-mudahan diskusi dapat kita
lanjutkan kira-kira pertengahan Januari 1993, setelah mailing list
baru terbentuk dan yang berlibur sudah pada kembali.

--
  Khesing The @ AT&T Bell Laboratories
  email: Khesing.The@ATT.COM
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: vinch@iastate.edu (Vinata)
Subject: gempa bumi
Summary: jakarta gempa?
Keywords: gempa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:41:29 GMT

I heard from one of my friend, it was in Jakarta that the earthquake 
happened.
But reading from previous article, it was in NTT.

Anybody can tell us which one is true?

How bad is it?
I hope it is just a small quake...




                                        vinch@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:51:17 GMT


>I think the original poster wanted to make an 'introductory language'
>for Indonesian students.  IMHO the language will end up somewhat like
>PASCAL, in which it would enforce 'good' programming style.
I think C is a good programming language, as I think it is easier than
Pascal, (BASIC is dead, IMHO, nobody use it for serious stuff)

You are right in pointing that out, though, why do we want this. I think
it is to make INDONESIANS who want to become a PROGRAMMER, a good start.
Thus using Indonesian should make it easier on them. And giving them
a real programming language should make this learning useful. (not just
another "teaching aid" language). 

(ps, I capitalize to highlight, not yell,)

As to why bother, well, this is to make lives easier for them. I suppose,
(Not for me, or you, or most of us who already know how to program.)

Now, if you want to learn about programming language design etc. I think
you should start with C or Pascal, and then move to Scheme/LISP. Learning
English is MANDATORY, as most literature is published in English. 

>Oh, and regarding 'little
>effort', are you going to leave the standard library alone?
>It'll give rise to the "bahasa gado-gado" problem,
Well, we'll translate that when the language caches on. My basic 
consideration is is that most language dies anyways, so use only
enough effort to balance its use. If it is useful, then we put more
effort into it. (I am one lazy ....)

Donald.
-- 
CS Department, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:44:47 -0500 
From: Irianto Sukaton <is08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Perakit BI


Getting back to the subject, to those in favour of creating an Indonesian
Language compiler: Would you consider a two-way preprocesssor (say between
standard-c and indonesian-c) a step in right direction? The preprocessor
would translate reserved words and structures (if and do blocks, case
statements and other programming units). How complicated could it be to
make this preprocessor (parser, really)? It could be promoted as a
possible senior project for an undergrad (in Indonesia maybe?).

Concerning the general statement of communicating to a computer in Indonesian:
I don't think it would be that difficult (conceptually) to: 1) Rename system
commands. 2) Recompile system messsage and help files. It would probably
be very tedious and the degree of success will vary across different O/S'.
I think DOS or a stripped down version of UNIX could be a good starting
point in this venture (just due to their exposure).



Rouli
is08@andrew.cmu.edu

Standard Discalimer: The views and opinions stated above are mine only
		     and do not reflect the views of CMU.
From: p91083sw@tom.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Wahyo Sindhu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Pasukan Garuda diculik Khmer Merah?
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:20:13 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Technology, Iizuka, JAPAN.


Pasukan Garuda, yg bertugas menjaga perdamaian di Kamboja dibawah bendera
UNTAC, agaknya sedang menghadapi masa2 sulit. Bbrp waktu lalu pasukan ini
mendapat penghargaan dari PBB karena berhasil membebaskan 4 orang tentara
UNTAC dari Khmer Merah. 
    Belakangan, pasukan Garuda jadi korban penyanderaan juga, walaupun akhirnya
21 org tentara UNTAC(15 org diantaranya dari Indonesia) dibebaskan.

    Hari ini saya mendengar berita NHK bahwa 46 org tentara Indonesia telah
dilarang meninggalkan desa Osara(?) di propinsi Kon Pong Tomh. Mereka dikabar
kan sedang dlm usaha untuk membebaskan ke21 sandera, tetapi bertemu dengan
70 orang gerilyawan khmer merah dari faksi yg berlainan.
    Pasukan Indonesia memang memikul tugas berat, harus berada di garis depan
di medan Kamboja, berhadapan langsung dgn gerilyawan Khmer Merah.
Sudah ada seorang tentara Indonesia yg gugur disini.

wassalam,
Wahyo Sindhu ABK
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:06:10 GMT

okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:

>Seandainya ada perakit yang cukup dapat
>diandalkan (taruhlah seperti Borland Pascal ver. 3.0) yang bisa menerima
>program dalam bahasa Indonesia, apakah anda berminat?

Sebentar, kalau masalahnya hanya menterjemahkan bahasa C/Pascal/Fortran
ke bahasa Indonesia, saya kurang berminat. 
Tapi kalau maksudnya membuat bahasa baru (dengan konsep baru) yang bukan
terjemahan, saya berminat kalau bahasa itu memang cocok.
Mungkin perakit yang mengerti bahasa Indonesia yang sedikit manusiawi.
Misalnya :

$x=10;
KERJAKAN 10 KALI {
   $x = 2 * $x;
   $y = AKAR($x);
   TULISKAN  $x DI LAYAR DENGAN FORMAT "xxx.xx";
   TULISKAN  $y DI BERKAS "HASIL" DENGAN FORMAT "xxxxxx.Exxx";
   }

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
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From: 2ftqcouple@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Bantuan..Gempa Bumi !!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:23:48 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

		****** FLORES QUAKE RELIEF EFFORT *******

	The Paroki-net (paroki@uiuc.edu), meaning "Parish-net"--a
network for Indonesian Students abroad, mostly catholic, but is also
open to Indonesian students of different Christian denominations and
even of other religions--is organizing a fund-raising drive to help
the relief effort for the people of Flores and also reaching out to
all who are willing to contribute money to help.  Since we are
students, we could only manage financial contribution.

	For this purpose, checks or money order can be sent to the
Paroki-net's Relief Effort Committee:

	Mr. Teddy Setya
	3307 Powelton Apt 3F
	Philadelphia, PA 19104
	USA
	(215) 222-7356
	Internet: setyapt@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
	
For accounting and control purpose, we ask our friend who is studying
at Case Western University, Ohio to receive the report of
your contritution:

	Mr. Parulian Sihotang
	12860 Fairhill Road #41
	Shaker Heights, OH 44120
	(216) 231-1204
	Internet: pxs29@po.cwru.edu

He will record your contribution and send you an acknowledgement upon
receipt.  Besides him, we asked three priests, who happened to join
our electronic network, to accompany and to supervise our actions.
They are all of the Society of Jesus, all of them Indonesian, well,
not quite, one of them is American-almost-Indonesian:

		Fr. Roger Allen Downey, S.J. (Sophia University, Tokyo)
			S.J. House, 7-1 Koicho, Chiyoda-ku
			Tokyo, 102, Japan
			(03) 3238-5111
			Internet: r_downey@hoffmann.cc.sophia.ac.jp

		Fr. Paul Suparno, S.J. (Boston University, Boston)
			Jesuit Community, St. Mary's Hall
			Boston College
			Chesnut Hill, MA 02167
			(617) 552-8217
			Internet: frsuparn@bcvax1.bc,edu

		Fr. Alex Soesilo Wijoyo, S.J. (Columbia University)
			West Side Jesuit Community
			220 West 98th Street #4-E
			New York, NY 10025
			(212) 678-1741
			Internet: aw@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

	Thank you for your kind help.  For whatever it is and
whichever organisation you choose to channel it, and particularly for
your prayers, we express our deepest gratitude.  May God bless you,
and Merry Christmas.


Paroki-net (paroki@uiuc.edu)
From: B. Rahardjo <budi@bison.mb.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: gempa bumi
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:34:57 CST
Organization: Bison net - Manitoba, Canada

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To: news@bison.mb.ca
Subject: gempa bumi

Ref:  Your note of Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:19:06 CST

The earthquake is a MAJOR one. The death toll as of today is almost 2000 people
with material damage around Rp 200 Billion.

President Suharto has declared this event as a"National Disaster".
From: malingka@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (Richard Malingkas)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Introducing MANADO
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:52:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
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In article <1992Dec14.084640.15106@funlwb.enet.dec.com>, rallings@gidday.enet.dec.com (Kim Rallings) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.123841.3474@nic.csu.net>, sulianto@babs.sfsu.edu (Lian &) writes...
|> 
|> >	Anyway, I was very interested when I read somebody posted news  
|> >about Manado. I was thinking, why don't each of us post something about
|> >our own area? We can include as many information as possible such as the  
|> >culture, art, famous tourist attractions, the facilities that are  
|> >available, transportation, etc. Perhaps by doing so, we will be able to  
|> >introduce Indonesia as a country with many cultures to other people who  
|> >don't know it or want to know it. 
|> >	Any response to this? Agree? Disagree? or ...?
|> > 

Hello,

I haven't read this newsgroup for several weeks. 
I'm from Manado and am very surprised to see a topic on Manado.
Could somebody mail me the original article ?

Thanx,
--Richard.

-- 
*----------------------*
  _Richard Malingkas__                      
  malingka@cps.msu.edu                 
*----------------------*
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: maulana@dutecab.et.tudelft.nl (I. Maulana)
Subject: Re: Berita dari Tempo
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:25:25 GMT

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/* Written by ibrahim@ogah.cs.ui.ac.id in ogah:uics.agenda */
Majalah:	Tempo
Edisi:		19 Desember 1992

*	Hukum: Komisi dan Korupsi
	Uang komisi ramai diperdebatkan setelah kemenangan Pertamina atas
	Kartika Taher. Uang komisi termasuk korupsi ?
	Kartika tak mau menyerah, dan banding. Benarkah Kartika masih punya
	peluang ?
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Hallo rekan-rekan, anda tertarik nggak untuk ngomentari soal komisi dan korupsi?
Soalnya penyakit ini banyak melanda kampung kita........

Banyak yang bilang KOMISI=HADIAH, dapatnya juga nggak maksa, nggak minta, sononya
sendiri yang ngasih dengan ikhlas............
Setuju???

Ikbal (Maulana@duteca.et.tudelft.nl)
/* ......tongkat kayu dan batu jadi tanaman...........(Koesplus) */