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Subject: Re: Data's cat
From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <92256.130956KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
> Followups redirected to r.a.s.misc; this isn't current, people. :-/
> 
> In article <1992Sep12.184419.12662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
> tgh3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Timothy Gerald Harrnacker) says:
>>
>>In <1992Sep12.161202.29473@ERA.COM> paradis@ERA.COM (Lisa Berkenbilt) writes:
>>
>>>I'm trying to get some info on Data's cat.  I have seen the pretty
>>>kitty in the episodes In Theory and Data's Day.  Is she in any other
>>>episodes?? When did she first show up?? How did he get the cat in the
>>>first place??  Why is she named Spot (or is there more to the name
>>>than that)??
>>Listen closer. SPOCK!
> 
> Um, you should listen closer.  The cat's name is _Spot_.  In fact, in
> one episode whose name escapes me, Geordi asks Data, "Spot??  Why Spot?"
> and Data explains that he researched the traditional names of human
> pets, and found that "Spot" was the most common.  Geordi explains that
> Spot is a _dog's_ name, but if that's what Data chose... :-)
> 

So what's the Damn cat's name anyway...(I personally thought it was spot.
Let's see a show of han-er-messages...All who think it is spot tell us so.
I guess people who think it is Spock can post as well.

>>
>>>I appreciate the info.
>>
>>>BTW, who's taking care of his cat while he's playing in the 19C?? :-)
>>
> Hmmm... I would have thought Geordi (Data's best friend, ref. "The Next
> Phase"), but he is also "playing in the 19C".  O'Brien and Keiko?  Some
> other friend of Data's whom we haven't met?  With 1014 people on board,
> and few of them going on vacation :-), it can't be too hard to find a
> kind soul to feed a cat.
>                                              -- Mike Kelsey
> 
>>>--Lisa
> 
> [  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
> What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
> What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
> When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Beverly Woolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:57:57 GMT
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        We named out son Ian O'Phelan Woolf.  Ian, because it means John
and that was the name of my husbands grandfather who was from Ireland. 
O'Phelan, because it means 'son of wolf'.  The problems we have run into is
the pronunciation of Ian.  Most people want to say it 'eye'an instead of
'ee'an.  BTW, if anyone is interested, 'fitz' means 'bastard son of' where
the 'O' means 'son of' (legitimate).
        
        I think this is cute:  My mother is Japanese.  Her name is Sumiko
Kanow.  She shortened it to Sue K.  My father's last name is Jones.  At a
party they were holding where my mother worked, her boss was introducing Mom
around to people.  The first person he spoke to he turned to Mom and said,
"This is my new secretary Sumiko, Sue for short...how did you say you
pronounced your last name?"

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" foreshadowing? NO SPOILERS
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:56:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.101509.5181@gw.wmich.edu> 885celio@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>Has anyone noticed that if you say "Time's Arrow" a few times really fast
>it starts to sound like "Time Zero"?
>
>Coincidence?...
>				--Gail

Clearly, the episode is a subliminal plug for the 70's vintage instant
Polaroid film.


My suspicion is...coincidence.  However, I thought I saw stiching in
Data's uniform that said "Paul is dead" once.

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:34:28 GMT

Followups set to r.a.s.misc.

dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:

>	There's no denying that TNG's got much better production values.  And
>there's no denying that the acting quality on TNG is much better than TOS --
>Patrick Stewart alone has more talent than the entire regular cast of TOS.

People will certainly disagree, actually.  I won't when I deal with the above
as generalities, but there are specific points I could probably argue if I
cared to.  (On the other hand, it seems that at the moment you're even out-
numbered on *those* points.)

>	BUT.

>	TOS had some really good episodes -- "The Trouble with Tribbles", "The
>Doomsday Machine", "The City on the Edge of Forever", "A Piece of the
>Action", and my personal fave, "The Conscience of the King".  I can't think
>of a single TNG episode that I would hold up to any of these.  

I can.  Several.  I've listed a bunch of them in my exchange with Michael 
Rawdon.

One point that a friend mentioned to me in email is that, particularly this
past season, the really high points ("Darmok", "The Inner Light", etc.) were so
quiet and so understated that people sometimes weren't as quick to remember
them, unlike the low points, which were not only awful, but took pride in 
shoving themselves in our faces and *pointing out* how bad they were.  (Things
like "Cost of Living", some of "Imaginary Friend", "Disaster", some of 
"Ethics", and so forth.)  As a result, since the bad memories are perhaps more
vivid than the good, people are coming away with a negative impression these
days.

Thoughts?

>	TNG just doesn't seem to be able to hit the high notes.  I think it's
>because way too often the episodes hinge on the gadgetry.

Here you've lost me.  I can think of a great many shows this season where the
plot doesn't "hinge on the gadgetry" at all.  Are we using different defini-
tions?

Tim Lynch
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I Borg question + a couple more(spoiler?)
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:51:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep5.000235.19003@gtc.com> dav@gtc.com (David L. Markowitz) writes:

>>> ... The Borg then says, "Do *I* have a name?"
>>Let's admit it! They screwed up!

>On the other hand, the Borg *was* starting to learn individuality.  So
>he said "I", and no one noticed.  So what?  Picard wasn't there at the
>time, and Picard is the only one likely to notice it and understand the
>significance of it, and only because he *was* a Borg.

No, because Geordi points out later that Hugh never uses the word "I".
He always uses "we".  That would have been a pretty dumb thing for him
to say if that "Do I have a name" had been intentional.


-- 
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From: bernman@cantata.cc.purdue.edu (Bern Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: trek food
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:09:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity

In article <1992Sep14.3208.10760@dosgate> "phred werenich"
<phred.werenich@canrem.com> writes:
---
>Once again this year, we are initiating the ST:TNG season with a party.
>Last year we served Romulan ale (colored 7-Up with dry ice ice-cubes),
>baked horta (pizza), gach (although it is best served live, we
---

	Baked horta?!?!  I thought the horta was an intelligent race!
How cruel of you!

--
                            /\/B E R N   M A N\/\

"The more I learn, the more I realize how much I do not know..."
From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep8.162651.5971@sura.net> nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:
>Well, I hope no one else has done this.   My apologies if this is a
>duplication!
>
>In article <1992Sep3.125510.8167@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>
>>-	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?
>
>He was, quite simply, in charge of the away team which Jack Crusher was
>part of when he was snuffed out.
>
BZZZZZTTTTT!  Wrong answer.  Read the TNG Hardcover _Reunion_ and the death
of Jack Crusher is explained.  It has nothing to do with an away team.

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu

-- 
"On the one hand we have Holly a computer with the IQ in excess of 12 thousand
 who has a total grasp of astrophysics.  On the other we have Lister, who, and
 let's be fair, is a complete and total gimp."
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:33:35 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <1992Aug30.211629.19796@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
(Michael Rawdon) writes:
>
>And, actually, even TNG's SFX aren't always that good.  (The starships, 
>for instance, look flagrantly unrealistic; they LOOK like special effects.
>The Trek Classic Enterprise really looked *real* I thought.)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, my!  When I look back on the TOS episodes now (or when I view them
again), I have to wonder how I could have ever actually thought that
that model looked like a real space ship in space.  Well, I was young
then.  Anyone who thinks that the TOS special effects look better than
the TNG special effects needs to have their eyes examined, IMHO.

>I think Picard, Data and Worf are all okay characters, but they're definitely
>second-string compared to the "big four" (Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty;

Yes, I have to agree that Stewart and Spiner have never had me laughing
at their histrionics and ... dramatic ... pauses ... intheirspeech like
some other actors which I could name.  Why are we arguing about this
anyway?  TOS was great as a campy, funny show.  It had some great ideas
behind its episodes, but was relatively sparse in acting ability.  It
has its place in history and will live forever as the first and most
visionary show of its kind.  TNG is entirely different and has a much
higher standard to maintain.  Viewing audiences today are *much* more
demanding (if you don't believe me, watch Nickelodeon some day -- Mr.
Ed??), and demand much more from their shows.  TNG goes a fair way to
fulfilling that demand.

>At least the film series Klingons ACTED like Klingons.)

And TNG Klingonds don't?  Duras didn't?  Goran didn't?  How about Duras'
cousins (sisters?) -- the delectable female duo from Reunion?

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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: burger king
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:52 GMT

In article <wh20.715634053@vincent1.iastate.edu>, wh20@iastate.edu (Gregory
D Westwater) wrote:
> 
> the burger king on downtown lincolnway cheats customers.  they gave me a punch
> card, and now that i am getting bigger and bigger items for free, they have 
> stopped honoring the card.  They said it is impossible that they gave me the 
> card and that they haven't seen them before.  BULLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boy I must be out of the loop. When did 10 Forward get a BK franchise? 

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: chuck@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas)
Subject: re ramblings
Followup-To: <matt.715638054@unidata.ucar.edu>
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:21:47 GMT

>>Matthew  B.  Hicks writes>>

>But does anyone share my opinion that most of the episodes don't stand up
>to repeated viewing as well as TOS does? 

No I don't share that opinion at all.  I have only found one out of the 120+
TNG shows to be something I would not rather watch or consider a waste of time
taping (The Lonely Among Us).  The first half of the first season was a little
ragged.  Even so, there were some very fine stories in there, including Where
No one has Gone Before, Last Outpost, Coming of Age, Heart of Glory, Arsenal of
Freedom.  Then you tack on later shows like Measure of a Man, The Offspring,
Q Who?, Sarek, I Borg, Ensigns of Command, Tin Man, Sins of the Father,
Brothers, Family, Ensign Rho, Darmok, Inner Light  you wonder what would have
happened if this had been a network show.  How many emmys might it have won?  I
have to agree more with Jonathan Frakkes comments on the TNG  "When its good,
it's one of the best shows on Television and when its bad, it's still good"

>TOS shows are fun and goofy and never tried too hard to be realistic; you
>just sit and wait for lines like "For the past 16.9 {or whatever} hours we have
>been following the ion trail of the ship that stole Spock's brain," and laugh
>like crazy. 

They weren't supposed to be goofy or laughed at.  True, Spocks Brain is one of
the worst Star Trek's ever done, but even it wasn't really supposed to be
funny.  To really evaluate TOS, you have to compare it to the other shows of
its time (Lost in Space, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Time Tunnel, Land of
the Giants, the Invaders, etc).  We tend to look at things that survived from
the past with rose colored glasses.  Even Twilight Zone and Outer Limits
stories of real quality are far and few between.  How many of us can even
remember what other shows were on during Star Trek's original run?

I don't judge the shows on their scientific acuracy or on internal consistancy
(It's a TV show!) but rather whether the show touched me in some way.  Did it
make me look at some situation from a different perspective?   To me,  one of
the most poignant lines from any of the shows was at the end of the "Ensigns of
Command"  when Commander Data is speaking to Gosheven:

"This is but a thing. It can be replaced.  Lives cannot."

Whenver I get too hung up on "things" I try to remeber that episode to put
"things" back in perspective.
From: cgobs@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Charles Gobs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: hot, hotter, HOTTEST!
Keywords: WOW!
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:00:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.




Sorry guys, but the HOTTEST has to be Robin Leffler (played by 
Ashley Judd) in the "The Game." You can sometimes catch her on _Sisters_.


chip


cgobs@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:44:08 GMT

In article <kromtigr.03dx@redorc.chi.il.us> kromtigr@redorc.chi.il.us (Ultrachrome Cowboy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.211629.19796@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>(Michael Rawdon) writes:

[Much deleted...]

>>I agree.  And, actually, even TNG's SFX aren't always that good.  (The
>>starships, for instance, look flagrantly unrealistic; they LOOK like special
>>effects.  The Trek Classic Enterprise really looked *real* I thought.)

[More deleted...]

>Have you ever seen what a real starship looks like?  I don't recall seeing any.
> No offense, but I think that they look pretty good, considering the fact that
>we have nothing really to compare it to in real life.  They use the same
>techniques as in the movies.
>

	I agree with Michael (no big surprise there ;-)).  The TNG ships
always look computer generated or something to me.  As Michael said, "they
LOOK like special effects", which kind of defeats the whole purpose of
having FX: to convince the audience that this is 'real'.  The TOS ships did
indeed look 'real' to me; they had a realistic look and a solidity that
most TNG ships lack.  The ships in the movies look pretty realistic, as
well.  However, I really don't believe that TNG does use the same techniques
as in the movies, as you claim.  If they do, then they are doing something
wrong, because the end product looks like a special effect, not a real ship.
Also, TNG doesn't use ILM (who does the FX for most of the movies; and, who
created THE most realistic ships in any movie I've ever seen: Star Wars), so
that might have something to do with it.

||======================================================================||
||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Senior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||
||======================================================================||
"Yes, why stop now just when I'm hating it?" - LTUAE

Gene Roddenberry: 1921-1991.  You will be missed.
May your dream "Live long and prosper".

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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:28:42 GMT

In <1992Sep14.213547.7273@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>My best guess is that the probe was some kind of "holodeck for the mind",
>containing information to simulate a bit of the culture and people of those
>who built it.  Thus, Batai, Eleen and all the others never met Picard -- only
>computer simulations of them did.  This still leaves the question of how they
>crammed 30+ years of experience into 25 minutes, but IMHO its a reasonable
>explanation, as far as it goes.

	I was thinking that maybe Picard was experiencing what we were seeing;
namely, pieces of his alternative "life."  Through some hypnotic means, 
Picard might have been made to think that his "life" has been continuous.
That might be an answer.



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From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Sep15.095303.948@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep14.171434.21168@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
|> > I just saw "Inner Light" for the first time this weekend, and
|> > really got lost at the end.  I didn't understand how Pickard's
|> > wife and friend could all of a sudden show up at the end, just
|> > as the missile was being launched....and what happened to 
|> > Pickard's character on the planet after he returned to
|> > consiousness on the Enterprise?  It really threw me.
|> > 
|> > Can someone please explain this to me or direct me to a 
|> > ftp site with "episode explanations".
|> > 
|> > Thanks,
|> > 
|> > Mark.
|> 
|> The Alien probe projecting life experiences in Picards mind.
|> He really didn't live through it, but does have the
|> memory of the peoples experiences. All this occurred
|> within 20 real life yime minutes. I guess you could
|> say Picard had one heck of a dream!

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if every one could experience the other persons
view point though this type of exchange. could be less wars.
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Romulans as Borg?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:50:49 GMT

In article <neil.715946892@ccl.umist.ac.uk>, neil@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Neil P.G.) writes:
> In <1992Sep4.193657.27310@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) writes:
> 

>>is that in "The Neutral Zone" it was shown that the Borg took away some
>>Romulan outposts.  Where are these people?  
> 
stuff deleted...

> Which seems to suggest that, unless this DNA is *remarkably* similar
> to human DNA, Picard is a changed man...
> 

Speaking of changed men... in BOBW, Data reports that 
"the Captain has been ALTERED."
Well, after I got up off the floor (to which I had fallen, laughing), I
was mightily disappointed.  Jean-Luc altered?  Waaah!  Say it isn't so!

Anyhow, in reference to the earlier question, if there WERE Romulans and
Klingons among the Borg, who could tell, under all the prostheses and makeup?
Since ears and foreheads tend to be covered, it's hard to tell what species
any individual Borg is. 

my $.02 worth

Kellie
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
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From: davidvc@cosmo.sybase.com (David Van Couvering)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Looking for guidelines for storyline/script
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:40:06 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I have heard from a friend that the producers of STNG are always
on the lookout for new storylines/scripts for the show, and will
pay handsomely if it is used.  However, they also have a set of
guidelines that need to be followed if you are even to be considered
for acceptance.

Does anyone know how I get my hands on those guidelines?  Send
me email even if you post, as it can take a while to wade through
all the postings...

Thanks!

David


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From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:25:55 GMT
Subject: Re: STTNG Season SIX Broadcast Schedule
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

> >Does anyone have plot synopsises (sp?) for these?
> 
> Sure.
> 
> >> 128.  09/26/92  228                Realm of Fear
> 
> Lwuxana is back.  'Nuff said. =:-O

Hmm, I'm afraid this is incomplete.  The full synopsis should be:

Q threatens to show Lwaxanna, Alexander, and Wesley in a mud bath on the
main viewer and all computer terminals, until Picard lets him send Worf
and Riker back to 20th century Earth to compete on American Gladiators.
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