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From: bonham@jade.ab.ca (Mike Bonham)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: Jade Simulations International, Inc., Calgary, AB, Canada
	<7003@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:04:32 GMT


in <1992Oct7.152529.753@craycos.com> lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:
>>The
>>plastic bag keeps my foot VERY warm although it is usually soaking
>>wet.  Without the plastic bags, my feet freeze.  My impression is that
>>I work hard enough to generate a lot of heat in my feet and that most
>>of the cooling that takes place is evaporation of sweat.  The bag stops
>>the evaporation.  If I ever find it is too cold for this combination, I

Cut off the bottom 15 cm of two 2-litre P.E.T. pop bottles.
Cut holes in the sides for pedal spindles and toe-clip straps.
Install over toe clips and around the pedals, with straps going through
at least one section to hold them on.  Optional: add duct tape around the
pedal spindle hole, to keep the plastic from splitting.

I call these `Toe-Jammers' (TM?).  They cut the wind chill, keep slush
off the fronts of your shoes/boots and give a dead-air space surrounding
your feet, but still allow enough air circulation that your feet stay dry.

They may even be aerodynamic :-)
-- 
  Mike Bonham        bonham@jade.ab.ca      Jade Simulations International
``Perfection is achieved, not when there is no longer anything to add, but
  when there is no longer anything to take away.'' (like this .signature?)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:48:13 GMT

In <1992Oct9.044142.25613@news2.cis.umn.edu> frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams) writes:

>The neoprene covers get me down into the 40's, but anything colder and I am
>uncomfortable.  I made a pair of shoe covers using Gore-Tex shells and
>thinsulate insulation.  With thinsulate shoe insoles, these well get me close
>to 30 degrees.  I'm not bragging, though, because my toes still get
>uncomfortably cold regardless of whether I use a vapor barrier.  This year,
>I'm hoping to buy or make some electrically heated socks.  Any engineering
>tips?

No engineering tips, but a few possibilities.  Campmor has a
better price on electric boot socks than REI, so if you want
electric, that's where to go.

They also carry reusable chemical handwarmers -- a packet of
chemicals (can't recall the ingredients) that puts out quite
a bit of heat for several hours at a stretch, and can be
re-charged by boiling.  They are flexible enough that you
can wrap them around the top of your cycling shoes and hold
them on with rubber bands.  This gets in the way of clips &
straps, but works well with clipless pedals.  I only did this
a few times when riding in snow, so I don't know how durable
the heat packs are.  I'm sure they don't last as long as the
old-fashioned lighter-fluid handwarmers.

In really cold weather, there are also small disposable heat
packs that fit inside the backs of your gloves.  I don't
remember what these cost or how long they last.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:04:16 GMT

>[Headphones don't kill p... uh, I mean, headphones don't cause ear
> damage, very loud music does.]

If you ride w/ them on a bicycle, loud music can not only cause ear damage, it
can cause grille splatter and other sorts of damage.  Even modest music levels
can be dangerous; you're already losing a lot of your available hearing to
wind noise.

	;-D on  ( A Clash with Death on a Black Sabbath )  Pardo
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Knobby tires in 27" ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:57:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5435
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Oct15.172047.17981@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
<deleted>
>
>If you really wanted to change wheel sizes, converting to
>700c would be easier than converting to 26", but would still
>mean replacing your brakes with longer-reach models.  700c
<deleted>

This is frequently true, but not always.  Some bikes with 27" wheels
will take 700c just fine.  The front is usually O.K., but in the rear
the brake reach is often a problem.  Another solution short of buying
new brakes is a drop bolt, which replaces the mounting bolt on the
brakes.  I have one of these on the Campy brakes on my old Masi
Special and it works great.

Jim D.
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Motorist discovers new way of passing bicyclist
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:30:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <19490001@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> lous@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Lou Salz) writes:
>In rec.bicycles.misc, ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>
>After reading your description, I'm not real sure the driver of the
>motorhome deserves all the blame.
>
>    Since he'd pulled this stunt just as we were cresting a hill, and my bicycle
>    has a somewhat easier time with twisty descents than his motorhome, I was
>    still beside him when he decided he'd had enough of playing chicken with
>    whatever was around the next bend.  
>
>I believe there is a section in the vehicle code that states that it is
>illegal to increase your speed while you are being passed.  Was your
>speed constant?
>
>I guess without actually being there it's hard to know exactly what
>happened, but from the bits you've posted, I see some signs that this
>guy was being somewhat more flexible than the many "really rude"
>motorhome drivers.  First of all, it seems he might have waited until
>the crest of the hill where he could see before trying to pass.  Second,
>he moved over the double yellow to give you more space.  On that section
>of highway 1, many drivers don't bother to cross the center line.  Might
>it have been more helpful if you had held your speed down long enough
>for him to complete his pass?

Good points, Lou.

You're correct that my speed probably did increase: I'd just finished
climbing and was beginning a descent.  So what I did was technically
illegal, though I suspect that the intent of that law is to prevent idiots
from speeding up in order to play games with other cars, and that it may
not apply in cases where the passing is being done illegally (over the
double yellow line) and therefore I could claim not to have expected it.

Holding my speed down long enough to let him pass isn't really an option
I like to consider when dealing with motorhomes at the top of long, twisty
descents.  By the time I'd reached this point I'd already had two descents
"ruined" by assholes (one of them in a car plastered with environmental
slogans) who passed just at the crest of a hill and then hogged the road
all the way down at a snail's pace.  I was hoping to keep ahead of the motor-
home so that I could enjoy the downhill without having his tailpipe in my
face -- so I guess my speed was anything but constant.  Perhaps if I hadn't
been conscious that at any moment he was likely to move into the space I
was occupying I'd have gotten around -- or killed.

I don't think, BTW, that his waiting until the crest of the hill had as much
to do with visibility as with his not having much more accelleration than I
do while climbing.  Visibility is limited by vertical as well as horizontal
obstructions in that area.

Anyway, your point is well taken.  Thanks.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
"Quayle in '94"		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:19:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

A lady I was talking to has told me that there is about to come
on the market some shoe liners that you can place in a microwave.
After they are warm and can retain their head for up to  4 hours!

Her husband asked the obvious question, "Would you like _my_ socks
in your microwave?"
From: Chilero@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Chilero)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: "Loose Screws"
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 07:49:28 -0500

I recently saw a message either in this area or one of the others which referred
to a catalogcalled, I believe, "Loose Screws", or possibly "Small Parts". I
can't seem to find this message again, and I'd really like to get that address.
Anybody got it, and could you message me with it? THANX!

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (**bj**)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Sealed Hubs and the Rain
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:38:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct7.193041.16111@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752) writes...

>I commute by bike and dislike rebuilding the hubs after almost every 
>rainy day (even though there aren't a lot in San Diego).....

You *really* rebuild your hubs after every rainy day?  You really
must be from San Diego.

>I also have a mountain bike (don't use it for commuting) with Deore XT 
>hubs, these are called sealed but merely have a rubber gasket with a 
>normal cup and cone bearing, they do not seem to provide much
>protection from the rain.  

In most part of the US beyond Calif and Rocky Mtn states, off road
riding is synonymous with mud riding for most of the days.  Deore
XT hubs survive just fine without getting overhauled 5 or
more times each week.  I guess my point is that hubs and bb's are
a lot tougher than you desert people think they are in regards 
to water damage.  For most of us, it is just not
practical to even consider repacking every time it rains.

I wish I have the luxury of considering whether to overhaul my
hubs every time there is moisture about.  Must be nice.
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:57:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.152529.753@craycos.com> lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:
>
>I ride in regular cycling shoes (Look and Diadora) with Look cleats on
>them.  On very cold rides I wear the following layers.  Sock long
>enough to extend well into might heavily padded tights, plastic bag
>(save the ones they put newspapers in) as a vapor barrier, also long
>enough to extend well into the tights, shoe, neoprene shoe cover.  The
>plastic bag keeps my foot VERY warm although it is usually soaking
>wet.  Without the plastic bags, my feet freeze.  My impression is that

I always read that you should 'layer' with a couple of pair of light
sicks instead of a single pair of heavy socks. But mountain biking
and skiing I have discovered that wearing a single pair of heavy wool
socks seems to work far better. It may be that 'layering' pinches
off circulation for me, but that is the way it is.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: Tandem syndrome strikes again
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Oct 1992 07:00:38 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:

>OK, I give up. What's the attraction of tandem riding that, say, a
>ride together on two bikes fails to deliver? My wife and I both ride
>for moderate fitness, relaxation, and (in my case) exploring the backroads
>of surprisingly pleasant New Jersey. Occasionally we ride together,
>but much more often solo. When we rider together, the occasional stop or
>very quiet road that we can ride side-by-side provides plenty of opportunity
>for conversation. I know for sure I don't have much interest in looking
>at a sweaty back for an hour or two at a time, and I suspect my wife
>feels likewise.

>So what am I missing?

I guess it's kinda like dancing... you *can* do it by yourself and get
just as aerobic, but it's a whole lot more fun being in-sync with a
terrific partner!  I've done a lot of 2-up on NJ's backroads, and the
terrain is ideal for a tandem (i.e. rolling hills rather than killer
climbs).  For the whole thing to work, though, it is best if both
partners have similar riding styles (a spinner and a masher will not
enjoy a tandem).  Also, it is very important that the captain be a
very capable rider, as the stoker will have to put their life in
his/her hands.  If you've ever ridden on the back of a motorcycle,
you know what I mean.

But really, the only way to find out is to *go ride one*.  Be careful,
though.... once you do, you just might have to start planning how
you can come up with the price of a tandem.  (If you want to know
where to find a shop you can test ride a tandem near the Jersey
shore, let me know....)

Mark (on your left) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jnewton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Justin Newton)
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:32:04 GMT

-Justin


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: speedplay pedal/lolipop pedals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:14:41 GMT

bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
>Time Criteriums: I liked them very much 'til I wrecked a knee & now
>don't dare hyperextend it.  The height of the Time cleat+adapter on
>non-Time shoes (Time shoes are too narrow for my feet) is very high;
>that complicated by an old ankle injury makes walking on Time cleats
>risky for me.
>Other pedals/cleats I have/am considering:
>Look-compatible system: Now that there is a cleat that provides
>rotational freedom, I'm tempted.  Esp. since the Campy pedals would
>look very nice on my C-Record equipped bike.  However, I'm afraid the
>plastic cleats would wear off far too quickly.
>SPD system: Also tempting, based on good reports from other users.
>Recessed cleats, various shoe manufacturers making compatible shoes,
>available in both road & mtn. versions, Jobst's endorsement (could I
If you have knee problems I would return to Time pedals by buying some of the
newer shores that accept Time cleats and thus eliminate the problem of too
tall cleats.  I had the same problems as you but I bought the Sidi Genius shoes
which accept either Time or Look cleats instead of using the Time adapters.
I couldn't be happier with this setup.  The Look ARC cleats and SPD's don't 
even come close in lateral movement.  I tried them both and disliked them.
They're a little better than fixed cleats but not much.
-Terry
.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie)
Subject: Oakley Earpiece Kit
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:25:46 GMT

I have a set of orange Oakley earpieces that have never been used.  This is
the standard kit which includes both the standard ear pieces and the trigger
ear pieces.  I also have the matching nose piece.  I attempted to get
may Oakleys to fit one of my riders with a narrow head and purchased these as
a fix.  It didn't work and so I don't need them.

The retail on these was $14.95 for ear pieces and $4.00 for the nose piece.
I would like to get $8-9 for the set.  It is a great deal.  If you think that
the price is too high, please make an offer.

jay

jbr1@ra.msstate.edu
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: speedplay pedal/lolipop pedals
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:45:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc

In article <1992Oct14.172328.11235@panther.mot.com>,
ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) wrote:
>
>   Does anybody have any info about Speedplay pedals.  They look like lollipops.
> A shop in town is carrying them, they seem to think they are really pretty cool.
> The Speedplay are very light (175gm) and they say easy to get in and out of.
> your foot is also closer to the spindle than a Time pedal.

Second-hand info. I ride mountain bikes with an amateur racer and he swears
by the SpeedPlays. He is a weight nut so the weight plays a big part for
him. But he insists that mechanically they are the best he's used. He has 4
road bikes, two with Speedplay and two with Time. He said he's tried a few
others.

He told me that the manufacturer is coming out with an even lighter version
and also with a mountain bike version. He was considering putting the
currently available SpeedPlays on his mountain bike to replace his Shimano
SPDs so he called the manufacturer which is when he learned about upcoming
developments.

  --scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Motorist discovers new way of passing bicyclist
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:11:54 GMT

Mike Vande Weghe writes about cyclists who were vitims of an auto accident:
   My friend said that the worst part about it was being forced by the
   highway patrol officer to stay put (even in the puddle of anti-freeze
   that was forming) until the ambulance arrived to check his injuries.

Neither the CHP nor any other police authorities may legally detain people
under such circumstances.  Know your rights and when to tell them to
buzz off.

--
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Scott Seligman)
Subject: Re: Krytonite cable locks
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Oct7.164121.21313@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:23:38 GMT

>Anyone have any experience with Kryptonite's cable locks?   Is there
>something inside that sleek black case besides your run-of-the-mill
>steel cable?   How's the lock itself?

The lock is pretty crummy -- it can be picked by a rank amateur in a
few seconds (guess how I know that).  But then, most of the
padlocks (eg: Master) that people use are pretty crummy.  I don't
think many bike thieves pick locks, so it's probably not too important.

Followups directed to rec.bicycles.marketplace.


Scott Seligman

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From: lous@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Lou Salz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:34:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Motorist discovers new way of passing bicyclist
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

In rec.bicycles.misc, ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:

After reading your description, I'm not real sure the driver of the
motorhome deserves all the blame.

    Since he'd pulled this stunt just as we were cresting a hill, and my bicycle
    has a somewhat easier time with twisty descents than his motorhome, I was
    still beside him when he decided he'd had enough of playing chicken with
    whatever was around the next bend.  

I believe there is a section in the vehicle code that states that it is
illegal to increase your speed while you are being passed.  Was your
speed constant?

I guess without actually being there it's hard to know exactly what
happened, but from the bits you've posted, I see some signs that this
guy was being somewhat more flexible than the many "really rude"
motorhome drivers.  First of all, it seems he might have waited until
the crest of the hill where he could see before trying to pass.  Second,
he moved over the double yellow to give you more space.  On that section
of highway 1, many drivers don't bother to cross the center line.  Might
it have been more helpful if you had held your speed down long enough
for him to complete his pass?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Schwinn Chapter 11
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:07:17 GMT

i>Well, consider, Schwinn management couldn't build bicycles in America.
>But Cannondale does and makes a fat profit. Trek does and has exceeded
>the size of Schwinn. Huffy and Murray do too.
But like so many American corporations they blamed the unions.  I wonder how 
many sales they lost because people knew the bikes were no longer American 
made?
>What is wrong with Schwinn is the same thing that is generally wrong
>with American business in general. The almost total lack of management.
>College educated managers may know how to make a balance sheet, but they
>have no idea of _why_ you go into business. They may be able to make
>a business plan but they don't know anything about the nuts and bolts
>of the business they are running.
Exactly right.  The emphasis on the short-term quarterly balance sheet is also 
a major problem.  There is no long term vision.
>was invariably advertised in Boy's Life (gee I wonder if that
>magazine is still in print?)
Yes it is.
>Maybe Shimano will buy Schwinn and return it to the good old days.
I hate to say it but that's probably the best thing that could happen to 
Schwinn.
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: RE: Elevated road stems
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:41:13 GMT

Does anyone know a source for elevated road stems.  Like a mountain stem but
allows for the curvature of the road stem when inserting.  Seems there were
some in the 1992 Specialized catalog but not in the 1992 one.  Would prefer one
for Cinelli but will settle for TTT size.
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