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From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: looking for wordprocessor
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:29:30 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.
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stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth) writes:
 
: is there ANY wordprocessing system available for Coherent that works with
: the HP Deskjet 500.
: Are PCL Fonts available that could be downloaded to the printer. None
: of the supplied font-width-tables work.
: 
: HELP Wordprocessing is the task I need most at the moment ( I'm a student :-))

Well this isn't exactly a word processor, but you might want to get a
copy of joe v1.0.7.  joe is mostly a text editor but works well enough
for me to be a word processor as well.  

Shouldn't be a problem using joe to generate just straight ascii text
and sending that off to your HP Deskjet 500.  As for doing the fancy
stuff with fonts, I'll leave someone more qualified to answer that
one. :-)
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From: mfaurot@bogart.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Freeze (was wnews tin elm now on Raven)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:07:04 GMT
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In article <9301036312@ritz.mordor.com> you write (in reference to
freeze):

: It does a significantly better job of shrinking files.  I typically
: get archives that are 20-30% smaller than compress can produce.
: I'm not sure how behaved it is under low memory conditions, as I have
: lots. :-)  I am tempted to think that it will be a little more of a
: memory hog than compress as it uses 18-bit compression rather than
: 16-bit.

I've noticed from looking at ps while it runs that freeze seems to
take up about 600+K vs. compress which uses about 200+K of RAM.

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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:51:03 GMT
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manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster) writes:
> [...] What I wouls appreciate is  a comparison of the two
> systems, features, tools, ease of use, compatibility, support etc.
> In particular the ability to use standard unix stuff intended for
> the commercial UNIX's found all over the Net.
> How do the two match up? The technical prowess of the two should
> be one of the main focal points of the comparison.

I've never personally used coherent, so I don't know all the specifics.
And I've heard that there's a new Coherent out (or about to come out)...

Anyway, here's Linux:

	Advantages:				Disadvantages(?):
	-----------				-----------------
	Multi-user				Requires at least a '386.
	Multi-processing			The doc's aren't done yet.
	BIG (2 Tera-byte) filesystem possible.	Set-up can be tricky.
	Big processes (>64kb) *easily* done.	(???)
	A *GREAT* compiler and libraries.
	[...]

If by "standard unix stuff" you mean things like the sources found on
comp.sources.unix, then Linux will handle most of what you want right
'out-of-the-box'.  With Linux, you've got a whole net-full of consultants
who know various aspects of Linux inside and out (as opposed to the one or
few who *really* know Coherent).  They're even fairly friendly and helpful!

Maybe some Coherent-guru would care to expound upon its virtues as compared
to Linux?  ...but I really don't think they're even in the same league.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Additional Packages for Coherent
From: dave@yarc.uucp (Dave Rifkind)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 18:49:36 GMT
Reply-To: dave@yarc.UUCP (Dave Rifkind)
Organization: Yarc Systems

In article <9301051604.AA14989@rslap.mwc.com> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>        The Device Driver Kit provides you with the tools to write device
>drivers for unsupported peripherals e.g a bar-code scanner or sound card.
>The Device Driver Kit also contains source code for all existing system
>drivers, as well as sample code for other drivers.

No, it doesn't.  It doesn't have source code for the Adaptec driver, or
for 'asy', or for the virtual terminal driver, or for the configurable
keyboard driver.
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From: geis@miles.com (Jerry Geis)
Subject: command string to turn on NUMLOCK on the keyboard
Organization: Miles Inc., Diagnostics Division, Elkhart, IN
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:03:51 GMT

Is there an easy way to turn on NUMLOCKS's from the .profile file?
So when you log in NUMLOCKS are on.

	jerry geis		geis@miles.com

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Processing texinfo files (how?)
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:01:27 GMT

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
: What does one do with texinfo files that come with the GNU
: packages to get them into printable form?  Ideally, I'd like
: to get the output into postscript format so I can print the
: stuff out on my Laserwriter at work.
:  

You need to get a copy of the file texinfo.tex, then you run tex on
the texinfo file (which does an include texinfo.tex).  That will give
you a device independant file which you can convert into postscript (I
use a program called dvips.)

You can also use a texinfo file from inside gnu emacs' help system,
but I don't remeber how.

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From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:59:18 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Please, enough of the Linux v. Coherent arguments!  This is the Coherent
> list, if you're a Linux fan and can do nothing but bad-mouth Coherent,
> then WHY are you on this list?
>

        Well, some people have both Coherent *AND* Linux.  Plus, pointing
out problems isn't bad-mouthing, it's honesty.  It also helps.  Denying
them hurts.  If you'll read the Linux groups, you'll find people are
pretty critical of Linux too.  The criticism leads to very fast fixes too
and thus they drive the advancement of the OS.

        My idea is to drop Coherent until it gets a major upgrade and then
see what happens.  I support Linux because it is a little better, is very
rapidly evolving, and has excellent support on the net.  I have decided to
keep Coherent too because I think it has a future if MWC can deliver the
fixes and upgrades that it has planned.

Csh
From: jim@rslap.mwc.com (Jim Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Additional Packages for Coherent
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:04:02 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


        Mark Williams Company has four additional productivity packages
for COHERENT.  The following information has info on all of our additional
packages for Coherent, as well as some special bundle prices.

        The Device Driver Kit provides you with the tools to write device
drivers for unsupported peripherals e.g a bar-code scanner or sound card.
The Device Driver Kit also contains source code for all existing system
drivers, as well as sample code for other drivers.  Full documentation is
provided.  The Device Driver Kit is only $49.95.

        GNU C contains COHERENT versions of two of the most popular GNU
compilers, Gcc a 32-bit ANSI C compiler, and G++ its C++ equivalent.
On-line documentation and GNU make are also included.  For anyone wishing
to program in ANSI C or object-oriented C, these compilers are
indespensible.  The GNU C package is $49.95.  Source code for the GNU C
compilers is also available.

        GNU Tools contains COHERENT versions of over 40 GNU
implementations of popular UNIX commands and utilities. These include MAWK
(GNU awk), BISON (GNU yacc), BASH (GNU Bourne shell), and SED (GNU Stream
Editor).  The GNU  commands are often faster than their UNIX equivalents
and may contain additional options and extensions. Source code for most of
the GNU tools is provided, allowing you to examine exactly how UNIX
commands are designed.  The GNU Tools package is $49.95.

        COHWare Volume III is a collection of the best contributed
software from our BBS.  The over forty different programs include games,
spreadsheets, programming languages and DOS-like utilities. Complete
source code is provided, giving you the opportunity to see how people
program under COHERENT. COHware Volume 3 is only $40.00.

        Ordering any three or more productivity packages at the same time
results in a $40.00 discount!  For instance, developers could order a
"Developer's Pack" with the Device Driver Kit, GNU C, and GNU Tools, for
$109.85 (a savings of $40.00).

        As with all of Mark Williams Company's products, all four packages
carry the same 60-day money back guarantee. You can order either by
calling 1-800-627-5967, or through EMail.  To place your order via EMail,
we need your:

        - Name
        - Daytime Phone number
        - Shipping address
        - Credit card number and expiration date
        - Size of A: floppy drive

You can EMail your order to "jim@mwc.com".
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
From: las@camaro.uucp (Laszlo Herczeg)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: camaro
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:20:12 GMT

>
>	Advantages:				Disadvantages(?):
>	-----------				-----------------
>	Multi-user				Requires at least a '386.
>	Multi-processing			The doc's aren't done yet.
>	BIG (2 Tera-byte) filesystem possible.	Set-up can be tricky.
>	Big processes (>64kb) *easily* done.	(???)
>	A *GREAT* compiler and libraries.
I would add: all kinds of hardware device drivers, X, getty, ttys with the
standard distribution. It also supports SVGA color. It also has a whole
bunch of games: tetris, empire, etc. ported to it.

>'out-of-the-box'.  With Linux, you've got a whole net-full of consultants
>who know various aspects of Linux inside and out (as opposed to the one or

>few who *really* know Coherent).  They're even fairly friendly and helpful!
I couldn't agree more. LINUX people turn out to be very generous and helpful.
Even though I do not myself run LINUX, I have asked for received support from
LINUX'ers to my UNIX questions.
 Laszlo
>
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From: stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: looking for database
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Organization: Forthdv
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 10:42:48 GMT

Zeyd M. Ben-Halim (zmbenhal@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan6.165522.19259@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
: >stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth) writes:
: >: Hi networld,
: >: 
: >: is there any relational database system available for Cohernt 4.0 and for
: >: what price??
: >: 
: >
: 
: You can always try INGRES (the university version). You can start from the
: original UCB sources or from the port to Linux. And it's free.
: 
: Zeyd
 
THis sounds interessting, where can I get INGRES??

Stephan
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From: hcpiv@GRUMPY.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA ("Harry C. Pulley IV")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: gnucpio bug-fix version uploaded to raven
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:48:41 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I have uploaded a bug-fix for gnucpio to raven.  I can't remember if I had
already uploaded it or not, so there it is.  It is currently
/pub/coherent/incoming/gnucpio.tar.Z.

This version fixes a bug when restoring from multi-volume backups.  Thanks (I
think it was Dave who reported it) go to David Filip for pointing out the bug.

Harry
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: perl ported?
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:58:53 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
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Brian Wallis (brianw@philips.oz.au) wrote:
: I'm working on a port at the moment. It works but has some problems when
: running the test suite due to some Coherent bugs. I've not yet worked around
: these problems.
: 
: I'll post when it is done.

It's also in the Coherent GNU Tools Package for $49 with some other
GNU utilities in case people don't want to wait for the freebie.

-Louis
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From: eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark Eichin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: cannot login at all!!!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:54:38 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan7.235813.11175@solucor.uucp>
	<1993Jan8.015410.15298@wuecl.wustl.edu>
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In-reply-to: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu's message of 8 Jan 93 01:54:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.015410.15298@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:

   From: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
   Date: 8 Jan 93 01:54:10 GMT

   i deleted /etc/utmp in a virtual console and tried to login from another
   VC, but linux said "/etc/utmp: no such file or directory" and i was not
   allowed to login...

   then i created /etc/utmp with a single carriage return in it and tried
   logging in aain.  this time it said:
	   must start from the lowest "sh"... something like that...

I just got bit by the same thing -- I figured that the LOGIN lines
that "w" was showing me were garbage (I still think so, but they seem
to be intentional garbage...) so I emptied the file, rebooted, and got
the "must start from lowest level "sh"" message.
	The fix: boot from H Lu's rootdisk, mount my linux partition
under /mnt, and then cp /etc/utmp /mnt/etc/utmp, then reboot and we're
back in business.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Socket Emulation
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: elm and addressing
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 00:14:23 GMT

Can someone please tell me how I get elm to be able to reply to the internet
style addressing in the from headers. ie, ak@adkwgtn.UUCP
All I get is failed mail when trying to reply to incoming mail. I have to send
mail to the person, using an uucp style address in the alias file. Much easier
if I could just get it out via a reply.
Ta.
Bob
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From: hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Coherent v4 SCSI and ST-506
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Organization: HPHBBS-COHERENT User Conference/Germany (CUC-Ger)
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 08:13:22 +0100

Trev Roydhouse (trev@asstdc.oz.au) wrote:
:  > From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)

:  > the Adaptec AH-1542 SCSI controller is the best one 
:  > available today for ISA bus systems. But be warned 
:  > this controller uses busmaster DMA and has problems 
:  > with some motherboards. The problem is that you are losing 
:  > characters on the serial lines when there is heavy disk 
:  > I/O.  This problem does not occur only under COHERENT, 

:  ... under MS/PC-DOS too. However, the problem is easily solved by installing a
: replacement UART, the NS16550AFN in place of the 8250 or 16450. Of course, VLSI
: serial port chipsets preclude this option, although I hear there is a 16550
: VLSI chipset now.  

  1) The DOS-drivers (aspi4dos.sys/aspidisk.sys) can be FULLY
     configured (Bus-On/Off-Timing, Transmission rate - chiefly).
     Thus the controller behavior can be tuned for best results.
     You wont even need FiFo-UARTS, if you change the BUS-On/Off-Timing 
     to other values than the firmware-defaults of 11ys (ON-time) and 4ys
     (OFF-time).
     MWC did no initialzation on the ADAPTEC controller in the
     distributed version - but relied on the firmware-defaults, which
     makes life just HORRIBLE, since all disk-I/O disturbs all other
     system I/O.

  2) A FiFo-UART does NOT cure the character-loss problem for COH'
     users - but makes it WORSE, since then complete FiFo buffers get
     trashed due to the junk-disk-driver which MWC provided to ADAPTEC
     users.




Regards, Peter
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From: brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: perl ported?
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:36:05 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

In comp.os.coherent you write:


>        Hello from a beginner.
>        Sorry to bother you, but what's perl anyway ?

>        Thanks for your time,
>        Dragos

Perl is a useful utility program that people seem to either love or hate.
Personally I love it. It is a language in which you can quickly and easily
write scripts for all sorts of text manipulation tasks, but it is not limited
to those tasks.

A copy of the infamous Camel book is a worth while purchase. (I can't find my
copy so I cannot give a reference, it's in the Nutshell series from O'Reilly I
think)

From the man page...

NAME
      perl - Practical Extraction and Report Language

 SYNOPSIS
      perl [options] filename args

 DESCRIPTION
      Perl is an interpreted language optimized for scanning arbitrary text
      files, extracting information from those text files, and printing
      reports based on that information.  It's also a good language for many
      system management tasks.  The language is intended to be practical
      (easy to use, efficient, complete) rather than beautiful (tiny,
      elegant, minimal).  It combines (in the author's opinion, anyway) some
      of the best features of C, sed, awk, and sh, so people familiar with
      those languages should have little difficulty with it.  (Language
      historians will also note some vestiges of csh, Pascal, and even
      BASIC-PLUS.) Expression syntax corresponds quite closely to C
      expression syntax.  Unlike most Unix utilities, perl does not
      arbitrarily limit the size of your data--if you've got the memory,
      perl can slurp in your whole file as a single string.  Recursion is of
      unlimited depth.  And the hash tables used by associative arrays grow
      as necessary to prevent degraded performance.  Perl uses sophisticated
      pattern matching techniques to scan large amounts of data very
      quickly.  Although optimized for scanning text, perl can also deal
      with binary data, and can make dbm files look like associative arrays
      (where dbm is available).  Setuid perl scripts are safer than C
      programs through a dataflow tracing mechanism which prevents many
      stupid security holes.  If you have a problem that would ordinarily
      use sed or awk or sh, but it exceeds their capabilities or must run a
      little faster, and you don't want to write the silly thing in C, then
      perl may be for you.  There are also translators to turn your sed and
      awk scripts into perl scripts.

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