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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:28:30 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tshirt colors
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              Perro" at Jan 25, 93 5:23 am

> Of course I look more handsome in my natural coat, but it is not stamped
> with an emblem of the list.  If I can't have a shirt, I'll have to see
> about having WORDS-L shaved into my natural fur.  That idea is not appealing

Ah, you want an emblem of the list on your person.  In that case, Natalie'll
have to think of something else (not shaving your fur), because dogs were
not *meant* to wear shirts, so there.  Perhaps you can get a Words-L collar.

> P.S.  You *do* sound specist, btw.  I think Natalie looks better without
> clothes on.  Yet nobody has raised the question of why the human members
> of the list need shirts.

Here in the NE, the day has been cold with a sharp biting wind.  The *only*
member of the list who could do without a shirt today would be you, Bernard.

-rashmi
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:08:46 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: In Ecstacy
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From: gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

> >
> > ...and your chopped liver, <abh>.
>
> But that just goes without saying, -abh you honey fig.
> --ggs

I assume you're speaking figgeratively? :}

Peter
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Subject: Cloudy skies over Portland
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:52:19 GMT
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I sense from some of the morning messages that Portland, City of Roses has
fallen into disfavor, at least as a site for List Gathering 1993.  Before
irrevocable decisions are made, or unrecallable words uttered, let me list
some of the consequences of changing the site.  (Bear in mind that I am
one of those who would attend even if the 5th Circle of Hell were the
locus, so I have no personal stake here.)

1)  Neal Traven will be absolutely devastated when he resets mail.

2)  Judith can travel to the PNW at any time, for she has progeny there.

3)  Dan, Chris, and Peter are remarkably close, not to mention the
    Portlanders themselves -- Clint and Carol.  Who am I forgetting?

4)  All of California is within a drive or a short flight.  Emily has
    spoken of riding the train to Portland; indeed, she may have taken
    concrete steps toward this goal.

5)  If organizational zeal is wanting, think:  Jenna and Pea are moving
    out there this spring.  Jenna knows how to crack the whip.

6 - 10) These additional points are currently in inactive memory.

brad
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (76
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:58:49 GMT

Bandwidth Pig <harwell@TENET.EDU> writes:

>On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

>> I can't believe this. And besides, "Peggy Noonan" rings a bell. Was she on
>> words-l any time?

>You fool, she used to be Reagan's speechwriter.

Oh. I thought she was one of the original Monkeys.

Jim (John Stewart, not Peggy Noonan, wrote "daydream believer") Thomas

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:57:00 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Asians

>  "What has survived of the scriptures exists now in 3 great collections:
>
>   I. The Pali Tripitaka. ...
>
>   II. The Chinese Tripitaka. ...
>
>   III. The Tibetan Kanjur and Tanjur.
>
>   IV. A number of Sanskrit works are preserved, but there exists no
>       collection or Canon of them."

Now I realize that there was a confusion. By "sutra" I didn't mean just
any scriptural writing, but a "sutra". Although of course, if you ask me
what a sutra is, I have no answer to give except "something which is called
a sutra".

Certainly not everything in the Tripitaka is called "sutra". In fact the
famous sutras (like the mahaparinibbana-sutta) are all, I think, in the
sutta-pitaka, which is only one of the three pitakas ("tripitaka", of course,
just means "three pitakas").

In fact, even within the Sutta-Pitaka, there are some nikayas which (probably)
don't have any suttas, e.g. the khuddaka-nikaya(?).

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:12:47 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cloudy skies over Portland
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> >Portland."  I counted those as #1's (=8) for Portland.  SHould I assume
> >that all other sites on the list were voted "no" by those people?
> Yes, for me anyway. its portland or nuffin'. i will have just moved

Oops!  I didn't count Jenna in last night's tally.  That's because I had
saved in the rankings file only those notes that used the form or that
said "I vote for ___."  Jenna's notes yesterday weren't that explict. :-)
But this one will go into my new rankings file.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:54:16 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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> 9) Roger Penrose (Tushar)

Physicist at Oxford. Did work in relativity, cosmology etc,
also interested in silly math problems and games. Succesfully
conned (I think) the public by writing "The Emperor's New
Mind".

>12) Amy Lynn Hull/Maurits Escher (Tushar)

Who Amy Lynn Hull is will remain a mystery. We have very little
to go on. She probably likes smileys, and her opinion on circular
logic is that it makes one dizzy. Escher was famous as a graphic
artist who produced weird pictures, like drawing hands, mobius
ant, belvedere, and other pictures which you can see on the T-
shirt of every well-dressed geek. I think I was referring to the
never-ending staircase (or some such name), which by an odd co-
incidence was suggested to Escher by Penrose.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:14:47 GMT
From:         G <g@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: QUOTE OF THE DAY #2
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        richh@netcom.com (richh) writes:
        > quote #2:
        > "You always punch hardest the boy you like the most."

        He's lost it, folks.  Once richh was a net.icon, ready with
        a snappy story or sharp retort at every mention of his name.

        Saltgirl must have tortured it out of him.  This empty shell
        of a man gasps at the end of his net.life.

Maybe he wrote for love?

G
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:08:38 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question for Torkel
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>>   There is an added complication in that there are actually two versions
>> of Norwegian, over which there have been fierce language wars in Norway.
>
>Which Norwegians speak Bokmal and which Nynorsk?  Is the split regional?
>Social?  Other?  How did both happen to become "Standard Norwegian(s)"?
>
>> But only the Norwegians themselves understand one iota of this controversy.

I just spent half-an-hour with Trygg Engen, retired psychology prof and
full time Norwegian-living-in-the-US, and have gleaned the following data:

Bokmal is the "formal", older Norwegian language...it contains a lot of
borrowed words from Danish, collected during the 400 years that the Danes
ran Norway. There are also *many* dialects of Norwegian, spoken in the
villages and small towns. Along around the 20's or 30's, a self-taught
linguist named Ivar Aasen determined to "cleanse" Norwegian, and created
Nynorsk ("New Norwegian") by replacing Danish words with "true" Norwegian
words collected from the various dialects, where they were presumably not
influenced by the foreigners.

Ibsen wrote in Bokmal. Trygg says that he hears the works of Ibsen as
"Danish" sounding. On the other hand, he says he and his friends sneered
at Nynorsk when they were taught it in school. I forgot to ask if that
was in comparison to Bokmal or to his own local dialect.

Reference: A book of lectures by Einar Haugen, published 10 or 15
years ago. Haugen was a linguist at U. Wisconsin, who later went to
Harvard, and has since retired in Massachusetts. Trygg reports that he
wrote to Haugen, asking some questions about all this, and never got an
answer.

love, judith, scholar
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:11:35 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: signoff
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On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU wrote:

> So does your presence.

What Karen said.

-abh
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 26 Jan 93 23:59:51 GMT
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<gt> would never consent to ride in a smelly old polluting -automobile-
all that way: isn't there a <parliamentary> train we could recommend?


--bayla 
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:58:00 PST
From:         CHRIS SCHMIDT <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Bye for now

> > Well, to quote a certain musician,
> > I'm orf. See you Thurs. eve.
> >
> > Pm

>Just don't go into haydn.
>
>Ken

Don't worry.  He'll be bach.

Chris
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:39:00 +1100
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Test Message
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>Possum appears to be sick:
>
>lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au... Connecting to wombat.newcastle.edu.au via tcp
>...
>mail exchanger is possum.newcastle.edu.au
>Trying 134.148.4.16... Connection timed out during user open with possum.newcas
>tle.edu.au
>[long delay here]
>mail exchanger is cc.newcastle.edu.au

Natalie, wombat appears to be functioning again, but I can't tell how well
with cc down..... at least the listserv is talking to me now and I am starting
to get mail from the list. Did Frank fix the problem or was it my action of
unsubbing then resubbing that corrected things? Would you do me a favour and
see if you can connect to possum again, just to be sure there are no problems
this end? I'll contact my system manager if there is.

Carolyn
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:31:24 -0700
From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
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Subject:      Re: Airport fun...

Meditation?  To me it's the silent, solitary contemplation of [usually] a
situation, or more rarely a condition.  "Making my mind a blank" is what I do
when I want to drop off to sleep...

John "Ooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..." W.
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Another curious thing..... my last message turned up here a few minutes ago
but no sign of it on wombat yet. Such a pity this node will be down from
9am to 5pm tomorrow. :-(

Carolyn
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:41:09 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Asians
              25 Jan 1993 00:46:01 GMT from <bsinger@ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU>

That's the problem with Asia:  it stretches from Mediterranean shores
to the Bering Strait.  Not a proper continent at all!

brad
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Net 14
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:04:58 GMT

rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
> Heuring told Newsbytes that laser beams are used to encode the
> computer's instructions and data into hundreds of thousands of tiny
> light pulses that are stored in about three miles of spooled glass
> fiber that serve as the machine's "memory." Each 12-foot-long pulse,
> which represents a single bit of information, completes a loop
> through the memory spool every 20-millionth of a second.

What comes around goes around...

Forty years ago computers used wave pulses travelling through tubes
of mercury as memory.

--karsten
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:22:28 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Betty's Entertainment Question
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> >"What Everly Brothers song was banned in Boston?"
> >Get this one right and there's only Art/Literature to go.
> I don't have any idea.  I guess I'm out of easy categories.
> I think the Everly Brothers were before my time.

This is one reason I don't usually read the TP postings.  It's frustrating
because when I peek in on it I always know the answers, but if I were
playing, I would of course never know the answers to my questions.  Es
la vida.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:51:59 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Figures of Speech and Their Names

>> There are many figures of speech that have names. I love them,

My personal favorites are anacoluthon, hendiadys, and chiasmus.  Zeugma's not a
bit shabby either--and anaphora ought also not be forgotten.

-K

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:26:23 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Salmonbake Uprising
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>strangely MacLuhan-esque and appropriate to the electronic medium. At a given
>time and date, we could all pause and think intensely about other Wordslers. We
>could call it, if nobody objects, MasterBake. Any takers?

Excellent idea.  Not instead of FTF, of course -- in addition to it.  Just
tell me when, and I'll be there.  I'm going to start taking yoga on Thursdays
at 5:30 p.m.  A yoga moment might be a good moment for me.  But any moment
will do.  In fact, it might be better for me when I'm at home and can hold
Bernardykins in my arms while thinking intensely about other Wordslers.

Speaking of the electronic medium, one important factor in choosing the
site for the FTF bake is telnet access.  Can the Portland Planners promise
it to us?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:00:48 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Aha
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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
>
> I know why I got bumped!  I had set telnet escape to @ since Procomm
> doesn't get along well with the default escape.  So when I got to the @
> in the address, I escaped.

I use the key definition function ALT F8, to define one of the function
keys as an escape.

Peter
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:19:02 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@RA.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      list of public access sites
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Like Natalie, I'm coming to you for help -- I'm sure it'll be faster
than anything else.

I'm trying to help someone get access to USENET and need the list of
sites/services/phone-numbers. I did a quick check through some of the
news.newuser groups and did not find it -- I'm not real sure even of its
title -- on which news group will I find this?

Thanks,
Joan

P.S. For local numbers I tried my local phone book and there seems to be
no category for such a service -- nothing under computers or data processing.
Any other ideas?
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:41:05 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: In Ecstacy

>     >- it was the 'genieuses' three lines down that worried *me*...
>     >
>     >G
>
>     Just for my information, why does it worry you? Are you also worried
>     by mathematicians who can't balance checkbooks?
>
>I'd be worried by a mathematician who sometimes wrote + for -,
>or \Sigma for \Pi; or a high-school *arithmetic*
>teacher who couldn't balance chequebooks.  Or a bomb-disposal
>expert whose hand shook uncontrollably.  Or a phoneticist with a
>tin ear.  Or a computer programmer who doesn't initialise variables.
>All these little signs don't inspire confidence.


There are several mathematicians around who do sometimes write + for -
and sigma for pi. They are still considered to be fairly satisfactory.
Anyway, this list of things which don't inspire confidence in you is
instructive, but how does it bear on the matter of English professors
making typos?

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:43:18 GMT
From:         G <g@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Peggy Noonan
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        >Incidentally, Graham, wwcem114@sivm belongs to a very nice woman named
Peggy
        >Noonan, who was lending me her account until I got one of my own. (Kudo
s to
        >Rashmi and Evelyn!)

        Not *the* Peggy Noonan?  The speechwriter for Presidents Reagan and
        Bush, and author of the infamous "read my lips" speech GHWB gave upon
        accepting the nomination in 1988?  If so, tell her I think she's a

"Ex-presidential Aide in Shock Three Inch John Thomas Probe Libel!"

"Whitehouse computer HACKED by subversive to spread PORN on Govt computer
network!"

Ah, Blommie, you've done for yourself now... how will we keep it out the
papers?

G
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From:         G <g@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Maya's poem
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: G> Yes, you've gone way over the usual time limit for this sort of stuff.
: G> There's nothing clever or impressive in knowing something obscure that
: G> you just happen to have to hand.  Time to tell us or forget about it...

:They Might Be Giants, "Mammal".  From _Apollo 18_.

Who??????  Not only never heard them, never heard *of* them...

G
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:53:08 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shirt.gif
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On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Isn't that light gray?  I like the gray that seems to be kind of "in"
> right now for t-shirts and sweatshirts:  very light gray with a darker
> gray stripe, the stripe being just a tad darker -- close enough to same
> color that the stripes aren't really noticeable.

We're talking about the same color, which is to say, *athletic* gray, not
light gray.

-abh
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Posted on 21 Jan 1993 at 18:06:17 by Natalie Maynor
>How is "athletic gray" different from "light gray"?

I thought athletic grey was darker--I have one shirt that color and
it is too dark to put letters on.  But there are lighter greys.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:58 EST
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question for Torkel
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NM:
>  >Which Norwegians speak Bokmal and which Nynorsk?  Is the split regional?
>  >Social?  Other?  How did both happen to become "Standard Norwegian(s)"?

TF:
>else. I'll forward the arguments to you next time they crop up.

No, Torkel. Please post them. This is fascinating.

Bill
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Subject: Re: My Ranking
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maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
>_3__ Galway, Ireland
>_2__ Elsewhere in Ireland

And what places are second and third on your list if you
don't win a lottery or sweepstakes?

--karsten
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Posted on 21 Jan 1993 at 07:49:41 by Anne Burton Harwell
>The shirt itself should be a Haynes Beefy-T or similar.

It should be 100% cotton--I think the Beefy-Ts are cotton/poly, but I
get your point about outerwear.

Karen
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Well, that test was certainly a failure..... the message turned up on both
accounts plus one from Ruth. So far I seem to get some of Graham's, Peter's,
Tony's, Ruth's and a few of Rashmi's but no-one elses... anyone have any
idea what the problem might be? Only 3 of the messages I've sent out in the
last 48 hours have been reproed as well.

Carolyn
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:30:49 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Interesting Sociolinguistic Tidbit
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Akio:  The clipped form "express" for "expression" does not exist (at least
not yet) in American English.  I meant to write "expression" and didn't
notice the carelessness until my posting was distributed.

> The express in !Kung (of Botswana) that means "big genitals" is used as
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)