From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:14:02 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
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In article <h7bnh-l@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>
>>If by "public access" one refers to Usenet/email access, there
>>are tons of Waffles, Citadels, uuPCB's, (and, yes), UNIX systems other than
>>the two to which John De Armond refers.
>
>Sorry, guy.  I've yet to encounter a person who wants usenet public access
>who is interested in a bbs running on a toy OS.  Public access in the Usenet
>context inplies certain conventions, one of which is that there is 
>a Unix-like system underlying  it.  

	Baloney!
	There is a growing demand for access to Usenet groups in the
amateur market.  My site, wolves, was just dropped from the NIXPUB list
at my request, since I don't want the headache of dealing with
international folks not reading the list correctly and asking for
services that I don't provide.

	I provide Usenet sub-set feeds to private systems in the local
calling area, and I provide anonymous uucp archives of selections
gleaned from the sources and binaries groups.  To keep the "hackers"
happy, I have a miniscule BBS system that keeps them away (generally)
from my Unix access.  I also operate as a site of "last resort" for
experienced folks who want/need Usenet/email access and can't afford or 
find other access arrangements.

>As I recall your announcement a few months ago, yours is a single line
>system you run as a hobby.  Correct?  probably OK for other hobbyists
>who don't mind demon-dialing for hours to get in.  "Public", maybe but 
>accessable?  

	Public as opposed to "commercial" maybe.  You've made it clear
that you're too lazy to properly secure your system, and that you don't
want the "hoi polloi" tying up your modem lines, so that your paying
customers can have a guaranteed availablility to the machine.

	You have your "attitude", and the problem is that you want the
perceived "quality leads" that NIXPUB might give (in low volume) without
meeting the qualifications that the "publisher" has set for his limited
circulation magazine.

>Face it, you're simple one of the literally THOUSANDS of hobby
>systems that take advantage of this LATA. And like a large
>percentage of those systems, you'll probably disappear once the
>novelty wears off.  I have no problem with that, of course. I do
>have a small problem with your masquerading as a public access
>site. I have a real problem being called a bald-faced liar by
>such an imitator. 

	But you did "lie" in stating that there were no other "public
access" sites in Atlanta.  Simply because they don't meet *your
definition* of "public access" is begging the question.

	Public definitely implies that practically anyone should be able
to pick up the modem and connect and find out if the service is priced
within their means and provides the services necessary.

	It is also interesting that your site is "dixie.COM"  which
implies that the site didn't meet the internet's qualifications for a
".ORG" or ".US" site.

	Face it.  You're sore because someone else offering an
information list that you feel you belong on told you "no" and you're
being a sore loser about it.
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