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From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Quest. for Megadeth maniacs
Keywords: none
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:07:18 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1es1kfINNna@doc.ksu.ksu.edu> cress@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Garrett C Cress) writes:
>
>Hey there,
>
>I need some advice on what are the best old Megadeth albums out there.
>Any reply welcome posted or emailed.
>
>					Thanks,
>					the gmeister
	Prepare for a torrent of followups!  I'm proud to be the
first. ;-)
	Instead of naming my favorite (I really don't think I have
one) I'll just list their albums with a little bit about each:
	First, the classic "Killing is my Buiness... And Business is
Good!".  This is a great album, if for no other reason, than it is
their first.  This album is a must-buy for the last track:  Mechanix!
It's also got stuff like "Skull beneath the Skin".  Great album.  
Along with Mr Mustain we find (as always) David Ellefson.  Also with 
(Dave)^2 is Gar Samuelson, and Chris Polland.
	Next came "Peace Sells, Buw Who's Buying?".  Track 1: Wake up
Dead - GREAT SONG!  (check out my sig).  All in all a gut wrenching,
head-crushing album.  Get it if you see it!  Same lineup as KiMBAMiG.
	Third:  "So Far, So Good, So What!".  Yet another great album
(can you tell I really like tthese guys?).  On it are Metal staples
'Liar' and 'In My Darkest Hour'.  That last song is rumored to be a
tribute to the late Clifford Lee Burton (RIP).  Group members this
go-round are the two Daves, Jeff Young on guitar, and Chuck Behler on
Drums.
	Fourth:  "Rust In Peace".  Another terrific album with songs
like "Hangar 18" and "Tornado of Souls" (Megadeth's 'love song' ;-)).
Some people don't like this album much.  I say fuck'em.  It's great.
2 thumbs up.  On this disc they ditched Jeff and Chuck (What ever
happened to tose guys?  They should start a band with Gar, Chris and
Ron McGovney) and picked up Nick Menza on drums and Marty 'guitar solo
God' Freidman -  which you may recognize as their current lineup.
	Since you asked about older stuff I assume you've got
"Countdown", right?  If not - Get it!  It's not a let-down like
another new album I could mention.  But if I had to pick one old one
to get first I'd probably get "So Far, So Good, So What!", but you
really can't go wrong with any of them, especially the oldest three.
	So, to sum up:  Buy all 5 albums.  You won't be disapointed.

-Jason
-- 
"I sneak in my own house... it's 4 in the morning... I've had too much to 
drink... said I was out with the boys... I sneak in my bedroom... slip 
into bed... I know if I wake her, I'll wake up.... DEAD!"
   							-Dave Mustaine
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: mega@lut.fi (Mega the Root of All Evil)
Subject: Re: Top Death Metal Groups
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:48 GMT
Disclaimer: Death before disco
	<1992Nov15.123443.16361@newstand.syr.edu>
Organization: Pikametallimiehet (Speed Metal Men), Finland


> In article <1992Nov15.123443.16361@newstand.syr.edu>, bjross@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Brian J. Ross) writes:

>Just a warning.  Paradise Lost and My Dying Bride aren't what many people
>would call "death metal," although they are extremely good bands, both of them
>If you're looking for the "real" death metal (ie extremely fast & brutal) 
>only some of their material qualifies.  If you're more broad, check 'em out.

 Yes I have to admit that PL and MDB aren't typical death metal but guess
 that's why I like 'em so much...They are really heavy and doomy but they're
 much closer to death metal than to any other form of metal if you want to use
 all these boring catogories...

>But, anyway, Mega's list here is a good introduction to death metal,especially
>considering the overall quality of the DM out there.  A couple other
>recommendations of my own:

> Dismember: Like an Ever Flowing Stream

 Haven't heard this one except couple of track from Nuclear Blast's
 compilation disc "Death is just a beginning". "Dismembered" is a real cool
 track but I think it's from their debut album. They do sound a lot like
 Entombed; thanks to the Sunlight studios :)
 
> Obituary: Cause of Death

 I have this one on tape and their latest release "The end complete" on CD.
 I have to admit that they are different death metal band. "TEC" album 
 conatins many good songs but too bad they all sound the same.

> Brutal Truth: Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses

 Just heard one track from MTV and I it sounded pretty good. Just wondering 
 if the album is full of tracks like what I heard from MTV. This one is
 definetely brutal...Greetings to Dan Lilker!

> Carcass: Necrotocism: Descanting the Insalubrious

 Yes I forgot this one from my list. I didn't like Carcass' early grindcore
 stuff but this one is a major change. "Incarnate solvent abuse" belongs to
 my top ten...They have slowed down a bit and brought some melodies to their
 songs but they still are brutal as ever. Can't understand a line from the
 lyrics but what the hell...

 
--
 =================================================
 I E-mail: mega@lut.fi                           I
 I "And when you kill a man, you're a murderer   I
 I  Kill many, and you're conqueror              I
 I  Kill them all...you're a God!"  - Megadeth - I
 =================================================
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: whiplash@cs.montana.edu (Mike Wagner)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Slayer?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:37:04 GMT

Slayer are on a (much needed) break.  Who knows what their plans are, as
no one seems to know what's up with them, hopefully they are at least 
writing some new shit.  

Mike

whiplash@fubar.cs.montana.edu

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Demolition Hammer ... and Razor!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:24:28 GMT

In article <19NOV199210240963@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s7280041@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s7280041) writes:
>   Has any1 ever listened to this group before???  Talk about lyrics
>that make no sense what so ever!  From the lyrics you would think these
>guys were rocket scientists.
>
	I've loved this band since I heard a demo of theirs a while back (had a
drawing of a huge cavernous mouth or something, can't remember the title).
These guys, to the best of my knowledge, could best be described as speed metal
as their music just doesn't slow down!!!  It's just pure aggression.  I've 
their two studio releases Tortured Existence and Epidemic Of Violence.  They're
both excellent.  Check them out.  If anyone is into this kind of music, I
suggest you also check out a band called Razor.  They're Canadian, have been
around since the early eighties, and are still pumping out extreme speed metal.
I know I've been mentioning these guys a bit lately, but I'm just hoping at
least ONE person will take a chance on these guys and buy their album and 
spread the word around about how tight, fast and brutal their speed metal
onslaught truly is.  Get their Open Hostility album and find out.

With no surrender in sight,
						Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
From: sprague@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Rattlehead)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Heavy Heavy Metal
Keywords: Metal
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:00:25 GMT
Followup-To: Slayer - Father of Thrash Metal
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue Unurdue University Computing Center

I agree on Slayer being the father of thrash.  Just listen to "Angel of
Death" if you don't agree, not to mention any other song by them, especially
any song off _Reign in Blood_, my personal favorite album.

Since the topic of Slayer is up, any word on a new album?  I read an interview
quite awhile ago, and they hinted there would be some Jeffrey Dahmer stuff
on it.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Re: Heavy Heavy Metal
Keywords: Metal
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:28:58 GMT

In article <Bxw1os.3rn@cs.columbia.edu> dbi@cs.columbia.edu (Dmitry Babayev) writes:
>In article <97922@netnews.upenn.edu> ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham) writes:
>>-James
>>University of Pennsylvania
>>ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
>>
>>P.S.  I'll probably get flamed by one camp or another no matter what I do, but
>>I have to say that Slayer is an incredible thrash band.  All of you out there
>>going, "NO! Slayer is not thrash!" I apologize to.  It's just how I look at 
>>them.  They're the original.  Anything else is influenced at best, if not
>>directly copied.
>>
>
>Perfectly agreed !! Whatever *they* say, - Slayer is the Father of 
>thrash metal. Any thrash metal collection should start with Slayer albums.
>
>--MITCH--
>
>dbi@cs.columbia.edu
>
>

Forgive me if I am incorrect, but wasn't the term "thrash" originally
coined for bands like Circle Jerks and DRI?  I was under the impression
Slayer was speed metal, since (again, forgive me if I'm wrong) the term
"speed metal" was coined for bands that played while on crank or other
inexpensive and availiable amphetamine-like substances.  Jeff Hanneman
even wrote a song _about_ speed (Praise of Death), as did James Hetfield
(Motorbreath).

As for heavy metal, wasn't this term created by the media to describe
anything from GnR to Anthrax to Poison to Slayer (again, please correct
me if I am wrong).

-Chuck






Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:37:29 GMT

>>If you insist on taking part in a debate, please understand the terms 
>>involved...
>
>>Sepultura are thrash leaning towards both Hardcore and Death... definately NOT
>>grindcore.
>
Bullshit,Sepultura is metallifag commercial shit metal.I read the
earlier post by"the man"and he was a lot closer to thrash than this
other idiot
"the man"seems to like real grind(Entombed,Bolt Thrower,etc)like me,
and not the homo-metal that everyone else in this group does.So I
would suggest to him to try:
like old Accused,The Unleashed,Benediction,Napalm Death,Autopsy,
mabey even old Celtic Frost,Whiplash's first power&pain is a classic.
GWAR,and as he mentioned Morbid Angel.
and "the man"don't listen to f@gs like this guy,he's probably the
kind who considers Godflesh deathmetal,and bands like meatallif@g and
megaf@g real metal when it's commercial garbage.
And what happened to maple and sauron????Why are there a bunch of weak
sisters thinkin' they're metal when they're really a bunch of main-
stream glam f@gs??????
I'm suprised not to see a bunch of"Def Leppard is REAL metal"post's
like there used to be.All summer you homo's had the group,But now
THE POPE is back,and calling Maple,Sauron and any real men,to come
forward and throw theses spandex clad,flip back your hair,wear a
metallifuk shirt everyday,started seeing shows 2 years ago,look
like a fem,think they're tough idiot's out of here into alt.lipstick.
imahomo.spandex.metal
	"don't listen to these fuck's "the man"go against
	the jr.high laMeT.V. is cool mentality!!!!!!
	      THE POPE HAS AND WILL RETURN to preach
	      hetero-metal to all you girls!
			YOU SUCK
			THE POPE!!!
	
	a
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: SUARON SUCKS SUARON SUCKS SUARON SUCKS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:31:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



As well as his buttbuddy, THE POPE.  
-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   |"For we, which now behold 
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ | these present days, have
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \| eyes to wonder, but lack  
      \           |       |                      | tongues to praise" -- W.S.
From: ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Death vs Grindcore vs Thrash
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:02:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov17.180653.8145@leland.Stanford.EDU> rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler) writes:
>In article <11006@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92) writes:
>>
>>Here's my _attempts_ at defining the genres
>>
>>Thrash - solid, fast rythm, moshable.
>>         cf. Anthrax, Nuclear Assault, Slayer
>>
>>
>>Doom - very slow, verySt Vitus, Stillborn
>
>Once again, I think the newer doom stuff mostly falls under grindcore. The 
>older stuff is slow metal.

You are out of your mind.  If you honestly think that Cathedral or Sloitude
Aeturnus are *grindcore*, than you have GOT to listen to it again.  WAY wrong.
And if you think the "older stuff" like Candlemass is just "slow metal" than
you should go back and listen to _Ancient Dreams_, and rehear both the slow
bass and the incredibly fast guitar that they can flip between as often as
they like, and it's still doom metal (albeit not nearly as heavy as Cathedral).


>>Speed M - fast heavy, clear rythm
>>          cf. Megadeth, Metallica
>
>I think speed metal is an archaic term. The Great Kat could still be
>classified as speed metal (where the emphasis is on speed and not on
>quality) but Megadeth and Metallica are thrash.
>
>chanel

*Megadeth*?!?!?!  THRASH?!?!??  You are out of your mind.  Yes, this is a 
flame.  Deal with it.  Megadeth is not even close.  No matter how much 
anyone likes Megadeth (and I do), there is absolutely no way they can be
classified as thrash.  Think about nothing but beats per minute.  It is
entirely possible to rotate the body through 90 degrees from vertical
(or in layman's terms, headbanging *extremely* hard and using your entire
body) to ANY Megadeth song.  Try to keep up with Kreator.  Try to keep up
with Ministry's "T.V. Song."  THAT's the difference between thrash and speed.
To call Megadeth thrash is an insult to truly great thrash bands like 
Slyaer, Kreator, Dark Angel, and Holy Terror.  The term may be arcahic, but
we already had a long discussion on the "death" of speed metal.  As for
Metallica, I daresay some of there stuff may come close, but then some of
their stuff comes close to doom, too.  However, On the whole I think they're
not quite up to snuff as a thrash band.  It's close.  I also feel this way
about Anthrax.  When Kreator is the slowest thrash I listen too, it's difficult
to classify Anthrax as thrash.  But they come close.  Once again, we see the
fuzziness of the borders.  Transition states, in technical terms.  Anyone
care to work out the chaos or fuzz logic equations for the transistion
states of thrash/death/doom/speed/grindcore?  Didn't think so.

-James 
University of Pennsylvania
ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

P.S.  Where I came from, the word grindcore has never been heard.  In 
Beaumont, TX, there are about ten people who listen to (truly) heavy
metal.  Bands weren't exactly flocking to the civic center to try to get
the difference across to tractor-driving hicks.
From: jimi@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (james.d.wynn)
Subject: something DRAGONS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:04:02 GMT
Keywords: who is this band???

Hello..
 I don't think this is a heavy metal group BUT I had nowhere else to place this 
 query ..
 I heard a group on the radio this morning from Scotland ( I think )  called
 the something Dragons... the name is 2 words but I don't remember the first
word.
 the Tune was GREAT .. it was upbeat with mainly the guitar, drums & vocals on  top..
 and the lyrics talked about... hhmmm .. one verse said something along
 the lines of ' i though you were an angel...' and then the next verse
rectifide that statement, saying something about 'you turned out to be the devil' ...etc etc 
 great GREEAT GREAT song...

 Can you help me with this one ???? and the group .. I must get the tape ..
 thanks ..
 either write to me directly .. to save bandwidth .. 
 or .. if you must .. then post it ..

 James D. Wynn
jjnjw@clockwise.att.com

PEACE


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Subject: Re: Death vs Grindcore vs Thrash
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:31:58 GMT

jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:

>Mega-f@g and metaliif@g aren't thrash,they're commercial SHITROCK.
>No band that play's almost all slow gay ballads is metal.Hell boy,
>people like you think G-N-R  is some kind of metal,when we all know
>it's cock-rock crap.
>	Jeeezus,you people are hilarious
>		YOU SUCK
>		THE POPE

What makes me think that the only thing (as stated above) that "SUCKS THE
POPE" is his brother....hmmm...

					the man, flamer-slayer extraordnaire
From: rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Death Metal (or whatever) suggestions...
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:52:49 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <11004@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92) writes:

>As I probably haven't helped you, you could try to find the Peaceville Volume 4
>CD which is currently kicking about for around a fiver. It has over an hour of
>stuff on it rangeing from Techno-thrash to fast death to slow death to doom.
>Bands on it include Sonic Violence, Anathema , Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, 
>and The Gathering , among about a dozen others.

This is an awesome compilation! Even if you own most of the tracks
on their individual albums, I still suggest getting this. The way
the whole thing is put together is great--each song sort of flows into
the next one.

By the way, anyone know anything about The Gathering (like what country
their from, when Always is expected to come out if it hasn't already,
where Foundation 2000 is based, etc.)?

chanel
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Thought Industry (was classification stuff)
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <41304@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:
>	I like 'em.  They're not perfect, but if they make it to album
>number 2, they could be outstanding.  I'd call them progressive metal
>too -- in fact, it's a perfect categorization for them.

I agree wholeheartedly.

>a lull) ... I think TI is an LA-based band.  I'd never heard of them
>at all, but a band with a Dali cover and a title "Songs For Insects"
>-- had to be worth checking out :-) ...

Actually, there a Michigan-based band.  The funny story is this: one day,
Jason Newsted goes to one of their shows, and digs 'em.  (He was the one
who was eventually responsible for their getting signed.)  He goes to get
a demo tape, and talks to the band.  With tape in hand, he starts walking
out, when one of the guys in the band says, "Um, hey man, that's five
dollars."  :)



  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
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From: esuln@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Black Sabbath Story volume 2 (video)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:22:34 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

I've just found the new Sabbath video -

"The Black Sabbath Story Volume 2  1978 - 1992"

The tracks are:

Hard Road		Hammersmith Odeon, London, 1978
Die Young		Rainbow Theatre, London, 1980
Neon Knights		Rainbow Theatre, London, 1983
Trashed			Montreal Forum, Canada, 1983
Zero The Hero		Montreal Forum, Canada, 1983
No Stranger To Love 	Los Angeles, USA, 1986
The Shining		London, 1987
Headless Cross		Battle Abbey, UK, 1989
Feels Good To Me	London & Los Angeles, 1990
TV Crimes		Rockfield Studios, UK, 1992
Computer God		Rockfield Studios, UK, 1992
I (exclusive live footage)
			Hammersmith Odeon, London, 1992

Beneath the track listing it says:

"Black Sabbath's decade of hard rock domination in the seventies was not to
be upset by the departure of Ozzy Osbourne. This video album illustrates
powerful performances through a variety of line-ups, culminating in the
classic 'Mob Rules' line-up. As a third decade gets under way, this second
volume shows why Sabbath remain true masters of metal.

Running time: Approximately 53 minutes"

At the very bottom of the cover it also says: "New re-edited version" but I
have never seen any other copies.


I've only just bought it so I haven't seen any of it yet.

jsm
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:19:41 GMT

[more deleted]

Sepultura is one of the best bands ever, hands down, but if you actually
think their lyrics are poetic or meaningful I think you may be mistaken.
They have incredible playing, and I love Max's voice as a combination
growl-sing like thing that you can actually understand, but their lyrics are
kind of funny....for example :

Fear ties you up
and you don't grow
being wrong and lost
no one admits the defeat

conscience is fair
unfaithful words
betrayal and greed
past thoughts to win alone

Excuse me, but what does this mean?  Is something lost from Portugese to
English or something?  I dunno, they sound like they make great heavy music
and can't think of any lyrics so they throw something together that may sound
morbid or something, then you read it and say "huh?"  NOW DO NOT GET ME
WRONG!!!  Sepultura is one of the best bands ever IMO, but lyricists they are
not.  I am also not saying that anything in the Death Metal realm (sepultura
is not death metal IMO) has anything better..no no no.  I am just trying to
say that Lyrics are not a focal point of this kind of music.  I will also
admit that there is a lot of BAD death metal out there, but unfortunately for
you, death metal is making its mark and influencing metal of today.  Hard
grinding riffs are coming up everywhere, and soon Sepultura-like bands may
abound and something even heavier than the "eat my intestines with tabasco
sauce" kind of stuff may emerge.  I dunno what I am saying anymore, I have
lost my train of thought.  I hope I have made a point in here somewhere.  By
the way, did I mention that I don't really care if you don't like death
metal?  The guy above me says "too much categorization" or something.  Good
show!  and no, Kreator is not Death Metal.  What the hell is the point of
this post.  I have no fucking clue.  Bye.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:41:26 EST
From: Nut <DVW2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Thought Industry (was classification stuff)

In article <1992Nov19.162748.1271@news.columbia.edu>,
ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos) says:
>
>Speaking of hard-to-categorize groups:
>Has anyone out there heard of these guys?  They're sort of a jazzy
>progressive thrashy thing, I guess.  Whatever they are, they're pretty
>cool.  Mostly progressive, tho' (if a gun were put to my head and I had
>to categorize).  And on the off chance that anyone's heard of them, does
>anyone have any info about them?

They are an excellent band, but unfortunately I don't know too much about them
right now. (Too lazy to get the CD and look.) I do know that Jason Newsted had
something to do with these guys getting signed. I must compliment his taste in
music.

-Nut
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: syoung@Cadence.COM (Scott Young)
Subject: Where's Souron & Maple
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:23:07 GMT


Where the hell is Souron and Maple?????
did they graduate or something???

or does anyone know who I'm talking about?? Pope??



cant cope,
dont mope,
there's hope,
smoke dope.