From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: (Industrial Talk and Addresses)    Was: FAQ
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:02:00 GMT

>|	Notebored (sorry, I forgot to get the info this ;-(

the address I have (which *may* not be current because I wrote this one
down a few months back...if they moved, it'll be wrong...I'll have to check)

P.O.Box 238    Atglen, PA  19310

the cost I have written down is: $8/yr - 6 issues. I'll check this too.

>	ACM Journal
>		Literally:  Alternative Christian Music

deals with more than just music reviews. Has had some articles on Christians
in the arts (painters, theatrics, etc), how to go about putting out an album
and such (with a price list for general idea of cost), interviews with radio
station owners, such. Also has a listing by category of alt. Christian bands
with their addresses.

P.O.Box 1273   Sumner,WA  98390  

the cost I have written down is: $5/yr - 3 issues and a compilation CD
                                         of various underground artists

>|	True Tunes			1-800-669-TRUE

another phone number I have is: (708) 865-3866  (I guess it's still good)

>	210 W. Front St.
>	Wheaton, IL 60187
>		Tend to go after the 'alternate' crowd a little more, in that
>		they offer sales on artists that mainstream outfits don't.

they also distribute underground releases that some of the other places
don't carry.

>  Don't forget to check out the cut-out sections at your local secular music
>  outlets, since they sometimes will be getting rid of CCM at low prices:
>  $2.88, $1.44, etc.  Also don't forget to check out the used stores which,
>  believe it or not, do carry quite a bit of CCM.  I don't know who buys this
>  stuff and then sells it at such a loss to them, but you should take advantage
>  of this wherever and whenever you can.

Pawn shops. Look in pawn shops. I've bought probably at least 20 or 30 
Christian music CDs in pawn shops for a price usually between $5 to $7.

>) Industrial
>|      Blackhouse:  Hard, Dark, and controversial.  Pagan industrial fans seem
>|  to want to claim them as their own, claiming that they are actually mocking
>|  Christianity.  Nobody on the net seems to actually know the facts on them,
>|  except that they have a really rad, largely undancable, and very powerful
>|  sound.  Lots of drums, lots of distortion, lots of instrumental material.

Blackhouse's newer stuff is more 'mainstream' industrial-sounding than the
older stuff, which is very noisy and disarrayed. I think perhaps having some
money to spend on equipment and such has helped Blackhouse develop a cleaner,
more polished sound.

>|        Circle of Dust:  I have not heard their entire album yet, but what I
>|	heard at the album release party, and concert at Cornerstone gave me
>|	an idea of what's up with them (him).  Hard, lots of vocal and guitar
>|	distortion, nasty drums.  Very agressive.  Not unlike Ministry, but not
>|	a ripoff either.  Good production (from what I heard).

they really sounded like a thrash band to me, with a little bit of industrial
in it. Kinda like the newest Ministry stuff, but not really like Ministry's
stuff from _The Mind..._ and _The Land..._ (which I consider their closest to
industrial)

>|	Mental Destruction:  I have only heard one song from this band.
>|	That number is featured on ACM Journal's 2nd aniversary compilation.
>|	If I have my facts strait, this band is Swedish, which, along with
>|	tons-o-distortion, would explain the totaly uninteligability of that
>|	song's lyrics.  The music is hard, chaotic, and discomforting.  It
>|	combines a drum sequence that makes very little musical sense
>|	(conventionally speaking) with heavily distorted vocals to create
>|	an effect that is interesting, but not pretty.  This band's
>|	album, "Intensity of Darkness" is available through Rad Rocker's
>|	Emporium (Mike Delaney) and True Tunes Etc.. And is already considered
>|	highly collectable among Christian record collectors. 

I have this CD. The one song on ACM Journal's compilation is a fairly good
indicator of what the rest of the album is like. Very noise beats, lots of
distortion and noise. Lyrics *are* in English, but they are screams through
so much echo, distortion, and noise that they are pretty much unintelligable
unless you're reading the lyric sheet while listening.

>|    Global Wave System:  Again, I have only heard one song, "Commitment,"
>|  which is featured on the "Voice of the People" sampler, other than
>|  catching part of their impromptu set at Cornerstone.  GWS's key member is
>|  the net's own Christian E.  He says that one should not judge the
>|  band by "Commitment" alone, and that the band's range includes some
>|  dance material, as well as more "ambient" songs.  He sights Cyberactif
>|  as an influence, while I personally hear Skinny Puppy but primarily
>|  find that they stand on their own stylistically.  Distorted vocals,
>|  droning synths, and heavy drumms.  Mail Christian E for a custom demo
>|  of the band, or wait for an album on Blonde Vinyl--it is likely.

I have the custom demo, and I really think that GWS has reached the closest
thing in Christian industrial that I've heard that sounds like what I think
of when I think of 'industrial.' The song "Commitment" shouldn't be used to
judge the band by, imo, either. I really liked the demo, and am looking for-
ward to GWS's release (it is still happening, ain't it, E! ?)

>|        X Propagation:  This band is a spinnoff from Dietiphobia.  It is
>|	made-up of Brent Stackhouse, and at least one other person.  They
>|	are featured on "Voice of the People."  Distorted vocals, and
>|	Ministry-ish guitars.  Harder than Dietiphobia, but not as chaotic and
>|	noizy as Mental Distruction or Blackhouse.  Not unlike Circle of
>|	Dust, but with less of a metal feel.

X Propagation sounds cool to me. :)  Btw, I was told that some artists 
from the Slava Compilation have been signed to do albums (whether full
length or 6-song EP or what, I'm not sure). Anyway, the bands that I
remember being mentioned were: Global Wave System, Prodigal Sons, and
X Propagation. There may have been one or two more...but I've forgotten
who they were. Oh well.

That's all for now.......

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