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From: numme@itk.unit.no (Dag Nummedal)
Subject: Re: GNU Stuff on CD
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology / SINTEF, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:07:44


In article <ELLIOTTM.92Aug31224314@beach.csulb.edu> elliottm@beach.csulb.edu (Mike Elliott) writes:

> I have heard a rumor to the effct that a large portion of GNU source has become
> available on CD.  There seems to be no reference to this in the last GNU
> Bulletin.  Is there any substance to this?
> -- 

There is an outfit that sells periodically updated CDs with the complete
contents of the SIMTEL and GARBO ftp archives. These include complete X and
GNU sources.

I don't know wether or not FSF distributes these CDs or if they have their
own CDs.

See the periodic postings in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives for more 
information.

Dag Nummedal

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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.mach
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

Please forgive if this is old hat, but I've caught just the end of this thread here
in comp.os.mach.

I would suggest that anyone interested in an AT&T boycott join forces with the folks
in comp.unix.bsd and alt.suit.att-bsdi(?).  There has been some talk of a boycott
over there, but things never really got off the ground.  There was also some talk
of a letter writing campaign(sp?) directed at USL/AT&T that would let them know of
our feelings regarding their "Closed Systems"(tm) attitude.

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: kjell@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kjell Saeten)
Subject: Debugger for gcc/g++
Originator: kjell@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:35:59 GMT


Does anybody know if a graphical debugger exists for gcc/g++ ??
Please reply to
kjell@cs.stanford.edu

kjell
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Stuff on CD
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:39:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1805v7INNkfu@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
>In article <2946@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>>Sun Microsystems supply GNU on CD, don't they?
>
>No, but the Sun User Group does, as do several other groups and companies.

Just about every CD-ROM containing general-purpose Unix software, and even
many special-purpose CD-ROMs (just to fill up the available space),
contains GNU stuff and X11.  It's probably harder to find CD-ROMs *without*
them.

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jct@se33.wg2.waii.com (Jim Thompson)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Time to boycott Photo CD
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:25:18 GMT
	<FRIEDMAN.92Aug29214928@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
	<17pj4fINNm8i@early-bird.think.com>
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products
In-reply-to: barmar@think.com's message of 30 Aug 92 04:34:23 GMT

In article <17pj4fINNm8i@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
> In article <FRIEDMAN.92Aug29214928@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
> >   Axman's message suggests that the data format or the conversion
> >algorithm may be patented as well as (in its details) trade secret.  This
> >means that even if we figure out how to do the job (which may not be
> >impossible), we'd be sued for implementing it.
> 
> How can something be "patented as well as trade secret", when the two are
> mutually exclusive?  A patent by definition makes the details public, while
> a trade secret requires that you guard the details (anyone you disclose
> them to must agree to keep your secret).

Perhaps he meant that the algorithm would be patented but the design
details would remain a trade secret; in other words, the "how" would
be public, but the "why" would remain private.  I believe the Data
Encryption Standard is set up this way: the algorithm is public
knowledge, but its design is kept secret by the NSA (or whichever
government agency formulated it).

Jim
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sources.wanted
From: sar@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Ritchie)
Subject: gcc back end for IBM 3090 mainframe wanted
Followup-To: simonr@ncp.gpt.co.uk
Organization: GPT Ltd, England
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:39:44 GMT

	I am looking for a gcc back end for an IBM mainframe - a 3090
	running MVS to be exact.

	It's not for me you understand, it's for a friend.

	If anybody can supply me with one of these or knows who can,
	please reply by email.  some JANET users cannot use the address
	in the header, so they should use the following instead:

		simonr@gptncp.uucp

	Thanks

	Simon


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From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: The goal of the LPF
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:00:48 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands

Hello everybody!

	Here in the Netherlands we have been discussing LPF lately and one of
the subjects of discussion weas the precise goal of the LPF-nl to be.

	The LPF has the goal to fight UI-copyright and Software-patents.

	I have proposed for the Netherlands to make our goal: ``Against
software monopolies''.

	My reasons are these:
	- Maybe some company thinks of other things to get the monopoly. We
	would be able to fight that according to our charter. It is not so
	much the instruments (UI-copyright/Software-patents) we despise, but the
	results. If there would be a modus where those would not lead to
	monopolies, what the hack? But we are of course of the opinion that
	there is no way you can make software patents and UI copyright work
	without having the disastrous effect. In fact, the proof then has to
	come from the other side. They have to proof that monopolies are not
	inevitable, instead of the other way around.
	- It prevents more or less that it is very easy to align software
	copyright issues with UI-copyright and software-patents. People against
	some form of ``protection'' (I know, I know) are immediately seen as
	people who are in favour of piracy and cracking etc. Being against
	monopolies is a very respectful standpoint.

Comments are welcome.
-- 
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jp107@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Subject: Re: Photo-CD
Organization: Cambridge University DAMTP
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:35:07 GMT

Certainly the British government is of the opinion that GATT will not
affect the patentability of algorithms.  The patent office have stated
that currently patents may not be granted on algorithms, and they
claim that this will not change under the current draft of GATT if
adopted.  Of course they mey be wrong, or the draft may change.

I'm not clear what Alan Cox means by 'dissasembling' but certain types
of reverse engineering are not permitted, (and GATT gets another
couple I think.)  However writing code to a cleanroom derived spec of
a produce is legal (I think), ... at the moment.

Of course this could be lies and rumours...

-- Jon
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Telephone: (+44 223) 33-7852     Mail: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk

I'm an international arms dealer.  You can be too.  Ask me how!
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Stuff on CD
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:32:39 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

In article <2946@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>Sun Microsystems supply GNU on CD, don't they?

No, but the Sun User Group does, as do several other groups and companies.




--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Time to boycott Photo CD
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:09:30 GMT

In article <17pj4fINNm8i@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>In article <FRIEDMAN.92Aug29214928@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>>   Axman's message suggests that the data format or the conversion
>>algorithm may be patented as well as (in its details) trade secret.  This
>>means that even if we figure out how to do the job (which may not be
>>impossible), we'd be sued for implementing it.
>
>How can something be "patented as well as trade secret", when the two are
>mutually exclusive?  A patent by definition makes the details public, while
>a trade secret requires that you guard the details (anyone you disclose
>them to must agree to keep your secret).

Photo-CD involves more than one ``new'' idea, just like a new 
car or a new computer.  Some ideas are patentable;  some more 
appropriately copyrightable.

My understanding is that the patentable part involves a rewritable
CD format, and the hardware differences needed for CD readers to
recognize a disk that has the equivalent of several file system
partitions.  

The photographer may send a couple of rolls of film to be developed 
and printed as 300 meg to a Photo-CD CD ROM.  Later on, the photographer 
may send another roll of film along with the CD back to Kodak for another
few hundred meg of prints.

The data format of individual digitized images to be used by Kodak 
may be proprietary -- I don't know.  But the talk of "beating" 
Photo-CD by reverse-engineering digital photos of checkerboards 
and stripes really misses the point.  It can and should be done, 
of course, but this is more like a case of "beta vs. VHS".

My bet is that CD media will become cheap enough that rewriting
will not be seen as a major advantage compared to the hassle of
trying to convert the marketplace over to a new, incompatible
hardware standard.  In this case, Photo-CD will die a natural
death.
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From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why the boycott of Macintoshes?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:20:18 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

In article <183hbrINNekd@carbon.rpal.rockwell.com> Brian L. Acton <acton@rpal.rockwell.com> writes:
>In an alternate newsgroup the question was raised whether there was a
>version of g++ for the Macintosh.  Someone quickly retorted that there
>was no gnu software for religious reasons.  My question for all
>netland/gnu proponents is what are the religious reasons.  If this is a
>faq, my apologies please direct me to the proper source.

They aren't religious reasons, but rather survival reasons.  Apple's
legal maneuvers threaten to put outfits like the FSF out of business.
If a company can own the rights to an interface based on its "look and
feel", then the end goal of the Gnu project -- a freely redistributable
system that is upward compatible with Unix -- will be illegal.  So FSF
is not boycotting Apple because of philosophical reasons at all, but
rather because it is fighting for its survival.

Nevertheless, it is not illegal to port Gnu applications to Apple
machines, and many have.  But don't expect 'em to help you out or like you
for doing it.

Actually, I think that the USL-Berkeley-BSDI suit is a more direct threat
to FSF's existence, since as Piercarlo Grandi points out, if Networking-2
is illegal, then Mach 3.0 is also illegal for the same reasons.  It gets
worse than Piercarlo's scenario.  Dropping Mach might not even be good
enough.  If USL's trade-secrets argument prevails, wouldn't looking at the
(now illegal) Mach 3.0 code make one privy to USL trade secrets that
couldn't be exploited?  FSF would then have to fire everyone who's ever
seen Mach.  Producing Gnu might become completely impossible.  Any kernel
hackers who've seen Unix kernel source code on the gnu-hurd mailing list?
(of course there are).

[Enter USL lawyer mode] Can you PROVE, Mr. Stallman, that no trade secrets
from the One True Unix were accidentally leaked to your organization?

Should FSF then boycott all USL-derived products?  I think not; continuing
to develop Gnu as quickly as possible and getting it spread far and wide
would be the best revenge.  The suit against Berkeley and BSDI will take
years, and if the Gnu Hurd gets released before USL turns on CMU to go
after Mach, then it along with Linus and BSDI will take more out of AT&T
than any boycott is likely to.

At the same time, providing freely redistributable, easy-to-use (for
non-hackers) GUIs to a system running the Gnu Hurd, Linux, or whatever
may take a bigger hunk out of Apple than any boycott is likely to, but
that is another matter.





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From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Stuff on CD
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:23:46 GMT


Sun Microsystems supply GNU on CD, don't they?

Gordon,

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Re: AT&T USL vs. BSDI/UCB, Mach3, OSF/1, GNU HURD, Linux
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:08:20 GMT

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>In article <PCG.92Aug30225902@aberdb.aber.ac.uk> pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
>+
>+It would astonish me if, having set a precedent w.r.t. UCB/NET2/BSDI,
>+USL were not to use it immediately w.r.t. CMU/Mach3/FSF. By doing so
>+they would effectively prevent the OSF, with their current staff, from
>+producing an OSF/n that does not require an USL Unix source license.

>Could this be a reason for some commerical companies going to
>'Chorus'. But then maybe those french fellows saw the 'New Zeland'
>UNIX V6 kernel code. Then again, maybe the implementors of VAX/VMS
>saw some ATT code as well, that leaves IBM, but not the PC since
>Microsoft is a long time UNIX licensee.

>But then maybe many readers have never seen the 'President's Analyst'.
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Better be careful, I'd bet dollars to donuts that someone in TPC is watching
this.

>-- 

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>jclark@ucsd.edu


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From: iiitac@PYR.SWAN.AC.UK (Alan Cox)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Photo-CD
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:17:47 GMT


Once more I'm glad I live in europe. At least here they _can't_ stop me
disassembling their code and writing compatibility for it into programs

There is a definite case for having a free image format on CD, to that
kind of standard, maybe not so efficient or clever as photo-cd. The
inevitable alternative will be half a dozen major different formats all
incompatible. We've spent twenty years getting in a total mess with the
computer industry making this mistake - do we have to do it again ?

On the flip side of the coin at least the prices kodak are charging
for their facilities are not unreasonable.

Alan
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,news.groups
From: terry@thisbe.npd.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: Exercising Caution When Making Attributions (was Re: ... Boycott)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:49:59 GMT

Vajk quoting me out of context in an ad hominim attack and demonstrating his
uncanny native ability to change news header information, in this case the
"Newsgroups:" line, which would have directed his post to "alt.flame":

|> >Obviously this veiled reference to your editing of the "Newsgroups:" line
|> >and your inability to clearly attribute origin of thought has escaped you.
|> >I will explain: It was a veiled reference to your editing of the
|> >"Newsgroups:" line and your inability to clearly attribute origin of thought.
|> 
|> >I realize that this is repetitive, but I thought it was such an important
|> >point that had to say it twice.
|> 
|> I see. I sort of figured that once the frenzy of which you accuse others
|> took full command, the coherence problem would also surface.

	I am sorry to hear that "the frenzy" has taken command of you, and
that in so doing it has put the spotlight on your coherency problem (so aptly
demonstrated in your posting above).

	It's not the fact that everyone was already aware that you have such
a problem from reading your articles, but your frank admission of the problem,
that gives me hope for your future as a contributing member of society.

|> Most folks attribute the origin of thought to some deity or another.

	I am also happy to see that you appear to be taking advantage of the
services of a member of the clergy in your efforts to deal with the problem.
You should probably stop short of exorcism, lest you end up in limbo with a
nice guy inhabiting your body.

|> And good luck with yuor recovery.

	Thanks for the sentiment.  I didn't think that word of hard drive
failures on academic machines spread so quickly.  Luckily I am meticulous
about saving every scrap of information that passes my screen, and have
adequate backups.

					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

---
Disclaimer:  Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of
my present or previous employers.
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit)
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:35:43 GMT
	<1992Sep1.192349.26133@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<1992Sep3.151657.8362@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<1992Sep03.155500.13026@ecst.csuchico.edu>
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: The World


>I must admit that I missed most of the beginning of this extended
>conversation, but anyone who should not want to listen to what Bill has
>to say then should have  a newsreader that supports kill files and then 
>learn how to use it.

Kill files are of no satisfaction to some, they want control, not to
solve the problem.

Why, if your suggestion were the case then when the 55MPH speed limit
were passed in the USA they'd also have ordered car manufacturers to
stop making cars which go much over 55MPH.

--
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,news.groups
From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit)
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:23:41 GMT

In article <BZS.92Sep2200645@ussr.std.com> Barry Shein writes:

>A very reasonable discussion by Terry Lambert.

Except for some substantial errors in atribution, eh?

>The easy thing to do is take the readership summary and consider
>posting to, say, 10 based on readership and coverage and perhaps 3-5
>more based on high potential interest level, or some formula like
>that, with the followup-to carefully pointed at a relevant group
>(alt.suit.att-bsdi comes to mind.)

I see. Crossposting is not a villanous behavior after all. Mutlu 
will be glad you agree with him. You decide using your formula,
he decides based on his, and the flamers will complain about both 
of you.

Bill Vajk
From: Brian L. Acton <acton@rpal.rockwell.com>
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Why the boycott of Macintoshes?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:05:31 GMT
Organization: Rockwell International - Palo Alto Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-207.rpal.rockwell.com
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In an alternate newsgroup the question was raised whether there was a
version of g++ for the Macintosh.  Someone quickly retorted that there
was no gnu software for religious reasons.  My question for all
netland/gnu proponents is what are the religious reasons.  If this is a
faq, my apologies please direct me to the proper source.


--Brian

acton@rpal.rockwell.com
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: The Economist on Patents
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:41:08 GMT

In the August 22nd-28th 1992 issue of The Economist magazine,
there is an editorial and two articles on patents and intellectual
property.  The editorial is on page 17; the articles are on pages
55 and 56.  The second article is about Cygnus Support.

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,news.groups
From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Re: Exercising Caution When Making Attributions (was Re: ... Boycott)
Organization: Black Bag Midwest
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:40:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.055239.17075@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Terry whines:

>Obviously this veiled reference to your editing of the "Newsgroups:" line
>and your inability to clearly attribute origin of thought has escaped you.
>I will explain: It was a veiled reference to your editing of the
>"Newsgroups:" line and your inability to clearly attribute origin of thought.

>I realize that this is repetitive, but I thought it was such an important
>point that had to say it twice.

I see. I sort of figured that once the frenzy of which you accuse others
took full command, the coherence problem would also surface. Most folks
attribute the origin of thought to some deity or another. 

And good luck with yuor recovery.

Bill Vajk

Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,news.groups
From: Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The 
 Lawsuit)
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:41:57 GMT
 <9070PB1w164w@underg.UUCP> 
 <1992Aug29.235059.23907@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
 <UecUwQO00iUz81B9Qv@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d56@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <UecUwQO00iUz81B9Qv@andrew.cmu.edu>
sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden) writes:

> It should be posted to ALL newsgroups as it affects all of us.

That is a terrible idea.  Please don't.