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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: ice racing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.165407.22232@gandalf.ca> wardman@gandalf.ca (Russel Wardman) writes:
>Since some of you guys are currently having a "discussion"
>over what is appropriate to post in this group, I thought
>this would be a good time to tell you that I'm planning
>on posting a few "Canadian Ice Racing" articles this winter.
>
>I know that while the name of the group is .racing, it is 
>implied that it is .roadracing. SO, if *ANYONE* objects by
>email or post, to ice racing articles, I will cease to post
>them. I will however continue to post them to .dirt if 
>anyone is interested.
>
>In hope of keeping you guys interested, I'll mention that
>Michel Mercier was Canadian National Champ for a few years
>before going roadracing. Pascal Picotte (sp?) has done the
>National series the last 2 winters and I expect to see him out 
>this winter. Best of all, rumor has it that MIke Baldwin will
>be up here racing with us this winter.
>

Go ahead and post about the ice racing. These dweebs that bitch about
inappropriate postings waste more width then some newbie's who are just 
ignorant. At least they have an excuse.
 
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                                 doh#0000000005
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Please Update Canadian GP
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:02:57 GMT

Dave Damon writes
> erik astrup writes:
> > 	Yeah, good idea, but first how about letting us know just  WHERE  
> they're
> > going to run the race too. Last I heard there was no track in Montreal
> > that could possibly host the GP. 
> 
> 
> One more time....
> Well....there ain't going to be no race in Montreal.  Tough Luck.
> Now go back to class and do your homework.
> 
> 
> The Sept 10 - 12 race will be held in California, at Laguna Seca.
> I will be there as I have been for every GP since I can remember.
> No need for you to go.  It's no fun.  
> 
> Mr. GP, "The King of Burnout" Dave

So, are you going to enter yer' bike in the traditional Burnout Contest at the  
USGP?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: '93 French GP Cancelled
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:00:28 GMT

In article <1go9oqINNfbe@manuel.anu.edu.au> gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au (Neal Gowen) writes:
>Heard on the news this morning, the 1993 French motorcycle GP will be
>cancelled as is the Formula 1 GP.  This is due to the French
>Governments' ban on cigarette advertising at the track.
>
>Neal G.

And they'll impound any racing teams passing through France, or some such
weird thing! Couldn't quite whether it was *all* GP teams, or just selected
ones, like Marlboro.

Of course, the national (as oppsed to international) French teams are exempt.

Personally, I'm all for the banning of sport by tobacco, so maybe this is a
good thing....

Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
   Heard about the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa?
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From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Attn all riders!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:32:52 GMT
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
: In article <45041@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> anniey@ocf.berkeley.edu (Annie H. Yip) writes:
: 
: Oh, fascinating. Us Europeans/Orientals/Asians/Antipodeans really *do* get
: sick of this US-biased shit. Especially when it appears most readers of this
: group are non-USA citizens...

	Jeezus....are we just a bit agitated over there on the little island?
"US-biased shit".  Because someone posts an advert for a shop around here
you go off the handle? You need help. 
 
: And while we're on the subject, maybe folks who are advertising goods would
: care to name their country *in the Subject header*, so everybody knows to 
: ignore the Yamaha for sale in Nevada, USA.

	Yeah, like the volume of traffic on this .rec is SOOOOO heavy that
you can't ready ALL the messages that get posted on it. Oh please....

: 
: I feel much better, now. Over and out.

	Next time use the toilet and spare us your whiney shit. 

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  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld)
Subject: Tobacco and Racing (was Re: '93 French GP Cancelled)
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:39:21 GMT
Keywords: n

What do you mean by "banning of sport by tobacco" ??

As for banning tobacco ads:
(1) TV tobacco ads have been banned in the US for a while, and guess what...
    people still smoke... a lot!
(2) If tobacco support of motorsports was opposed by people, they'd boycott
    the events.

What nonsense - this over-regulation !!!

Aviad
Motorola doesn't put words in my mouth, I don't put words in theirs.



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Subject: Re: Attn all riders!!!
Summary: In defense of Richard Taylor
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:25:26 GMT

rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
: Oh, fascinating. Us Europeans/Orientals/Asians/Antipodeans really *do* get
: sick of this US-biased shit. Especially when it appears most readers of this
: group are non-USA citizens...

erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:
| Jeezus....are we just a bit agitated over there on the little island?
| "US-biased shit".  Because someone posts an advert for a shop around here
| you go off the handle? You need help. 

    Yup, so do I.  I agree with Richard - all of the inane advertisements
I've seen on the net come from the good ol' U S of A, the land of the free
and home of the poor-sods-with-commercials-rammed-down-their-throat.  I've
never seen this sort of garbage come from the UK, or New Zealand, or
Finland, or whereever.  Assuming that the ENTIRE WORLD needs to read about
US-based stuff like some podunk shop in California is for people who just
can't quite grasp the structure (or nature) of the net (woa dude, what's a
distribootion?).  Heck, I only live fifty miles or so from this shop, and
I STILL don't care.

    If you think commercial advertisements on the net are a Really Neat
Idea, then read the appropriate groups or solicit advice personally on
really good leather shops in Sydney, Australia, or a good place to get
a cheap tune-up in Bilbao, Spain.

: And while we're on the subject, maybe folks who are advertising goods would
: care to name their country *in the Subject header*, so everybody knows to 
: ignore the Yamaha for sale in Nevada, USA.

| Yeah, like the volume of traffic on this .rec is SOOOOO heavy that
| you can't ready ALL the messages that get posted on it. Oh please....

    Apparently you didn't realize that this article was posted to several
different groups (as a separate posts, not as a legitimate cross-post).
Perhaps you think that it really had something to do with racing
motorcycles.  Should I post articles about good algorithms for polygon
convexity testing here too?  How about the lyrics to Super Chicken or a
query for Internet Go Server clients that can work with a proxy telnet
connection?  I mean, like dude, it isn't that crowded here...

______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                   Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles.racing:1495 rec.motorcycles:42290
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Motorcycle Racing on the telly(TSN)
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:50:20 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


The (taped) Grand Prix from South African, Kyalami,

today (19th) at 9:30pm on TSN (Montreal time).






--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Goof2 motor Que ?
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:45:40 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

Hi,

	Just out of curiosity, and to "waste bandwidth" (not that I would
know anything about that), what do all you CBR600F2 owners see as the
(dis)/advantages of having the cyinders/crankcase all one piece ?  I was
flipping through my shop manual some time ago out of curiosity and noted that
to replace rings or piston, you have to split the cases.

	Presumeably this was so the engine would be really light.  But I
guess it makes it a real chore to do a ring job.

	Wonder what effect this has on honing or boring out the cylinder
(if it's even possible, wonder what those cases are made of).  Do you 900RR
folks have the same configuration ?

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Systems Engineer / Motorcyclist / Volunteer / AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Tobacco and Racing (was Re: '93 French GP Cancelled)
	<1992Dec18.113921.25221@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<moseley.137.724713687@u.washington.edu>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:34:20

"moseley" == Steve L. Moseley <moseley@u.washington.edu> writes:

moseley> banned in most places, and that is fine with me, too. I'm
moseley> sure motorcycle racing will survive without tobacco
moseley> sponsorship. Maybe teams will have to deal with smaller

Look at what's happened in car racing:  sponsors like Tide, et al, are
paying *more* than the tobacco firms simple because for them, it's
cheap advertising.  Everybody needs laundry detergent, sugar, flour,
toothpaste -- but people have to be sold on smoking in the first place
before they can be sold on which brand.

I guess the downside is that there isn't as much room on a bike for
advertising space.   Perhaps it'll become more like cycling, where
there's "team motorola" and not the "motorola bicycle".  Egads, maybe
the *riders* will start getting more attention!
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Need clean racing jokes
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:41:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1gtcknINNc6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> light@CITVAX.UCSC.EDU writes:
> Anyway, in the
>second-to-last running of the class, they had one rider enter it who had a 
>bit more knowledge than the rest of the racers.  By the first 1/2 lap, he was
>probably 2 turns ahead of everyone else.  Not content with just that, as
>he came out of the chicane (turn 12), he popped a huge wheelie, through the
>Start/Finish line most of the way down to Turn 1.  The "meatball" flag came
>out, and the race director had a nice little chat with him.

  Yeah, it was Jim Vanicek (sp?) on a ZX-7R.  He was a veteran of about
4 years and took a year off to save money.  The AFM made him go back
to being a novice since he didn't race during the previous year.  That was
the real joke.

  I think he finished top 8 or so in 750SS this year.

  Good thing Alain Prost didn't race with the AFM.

  They changed that rule for the coming season.
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Please Update Canadian GP
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:40:53 GMT
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Dave_Damon@NeXT.COM (Dave Damon) writes:
: 
: One more time....
: Well....there ain't going to be no race in Montreal.  Tough Luck.
: Now go back to class and do your homework.
: 

	Oh thanks so much for the snoddy comments. I was simply asking if
anyone had a clue as to WHERE they might run the race if it was going to
really happen. It was on the first schedule. 


: 
: The Sept 10 - 12 race will be held in California, at Laguna Seca.
: I will be there as I have been for every GP since I can remember.
: No need for you to go.  It's no fun.  
: 
	No shit. I will be there too as I have been for the 88,89,90 and
91 races. Again we will attend with a 30' RV, home brewed beer, good tunes
and food. We'll be there as usual a week before the race in the same spot
as usual. 

: Mr. GP, "The King of Burnout" Dave

	"Mr GP"?...hah.....rookie. 


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  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
From: jeff@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Louie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Attn all riders!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:15:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: leerdam.berkeley.edu

> ATTN: All Scooter and Motorcycle rider........
> 
> California Cycles has a full parts and service department.  Mention this ad
> and get 10% off on your next parts purchase!
> 
>        California Cycles
>        5433 San Pablo Ave.
>        Oakland, CA 94608
>        (510) 601-0166


And if Jeff can't find it for you, he'll have someone steal a bike with the  
parts you need and sell it to you.

California Cycles is known by the Oakland Police to be an outlet for stolen  
bike parts.  I personally know of someone who had their CBR F2 stolen, only to  
find all of his bodywork and gas tank hanging on the wall a few weeks later.   
He could identify it as his by the scratch marks he put on the plastic work.   
Of course, this would never hold up in court.  The OPD Auto Theft detectives  
even told him that they know Cal Cycles is a fence, but that they could never  
catch them red-handed.

And you wonder whatever became of that bike of yours that was stolen...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jagruti pandya@bnr.ca
Subject: Info on non-U.S. bikes
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:36:34 GMT

I am seeking some info on 400cc 4 strokes or 250cc 2-strokes that are available
in Japan (or elsewhere) but not over here (U.S.)  What I would like is a
comparison between different bikes and a list of features that would
distinguish one from another (like how does the '92 CBR400RR compare against
the '92 ZXR400R, does it have upside down forks or what, and is there any
changes planned for '93.)

Anyone know where I can get this info?  Any ideas on how these bikes compare
against a '90 FZR400 or CB-1?

Thanks

Kris Kapp
kapp@bnr.ca

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Now: For Sale...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:49:23 GMT

In article <BzG6ur.L6H@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.173252.1779@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:
>>rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>>: In article <45041@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> anniey@ocf.berkeley.edu (Annie H. Yip) writes:
>>: 
>>: Oh, fascinating. Us Europeans/Orientals/Asians/Antipodeans really *do* get
>>: sick of this US-biased shit. Especially when it appears most readers of this
>>: group are non-USA citizens...
>>
>>	Jeezus....are we just a bit agitated over there on the little island?
>>"US-biased shit".  Because someone posts an advert for a shop around here
>>you go off the handle? You need help. 
>> 
>>: And while we're on the subject, maybe folks who are advertising goods would
>>: care to name their country *in the Subject header*, so everybody knows to 
>>: ignore the Yamaha for sale in Nevada, USA.
>>
>>	Yeah, like the volume of traffic on this .rec is SOOOOO heavy that
>>you can't ready ALL the messages that get posted on it. Oh please....
>>
>>: 
>>: I feel much better, now. Over and out.
>>
>>	Next time use the toilet and spare us your whiney shit. 
>>
>
>A typical US response, the usual bigoted stuff. I saw no smileys, but I guess
>he *could* just have been winding me up?
>
>Having visited the US several times, I find Americans are in general a very
>friendly easy-going people, but on the net you sometimes don't come over
>quite so nice. There is implicit assumption in many postings that only
>US citizens are reading. Start thinking globally.
>
>By the way, there's a great Ducati dealer opened up in Oxford. It's on the
>inner ring road, about 1/2 mile from the station. 10% off if you mention this
>ad... :-)
 
Which station?
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Attn all riders!!!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:17:25 GMT

In <Bz94qx.G3t@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:

>In article <45041@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> anniey@ocf.berkeley.edu (Annie H. Yip) writes:


>   Heard about the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa?

  It's not easy getting me to laugh at 9 am but you did.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous
From: anniey@ocf.berkeley.edu (Annie H. Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Attn all riders!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:47:33 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility




ATTN: All Scooter and Motorcycle rider........



California Cycles has a full parts and service department.  Mention this ad

and get 10% off on your next parts purchase!


       California Cycles

       5433 San Pablo Ave.

       Oakland, CA 94608

       (510) 601-0166
From: zeke@znext (james dehnert)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Kill the crap ( was Re: Attn all riders!!! )
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: zeke@znext.cts.com
Organization: pnet

In article <1992Dec15.173252.1779@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik  
astrup) writes:
- rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
- : In article <45041@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> anniey@ocf.berkeley.edu (Annie H.  
Yip) writes:
- : 
- : Oh, fascinating. Us Europeans/Orientals/Asians/Antipodeans really *do* get
- : sick of this US-biased shit. Especially when it appears most readers of  
this
- : group are non-USA citizens...
- 
- 	Jeezus....are we just a bit agitated over there on the little island?
- "US-biased shit".  Because someone posts an advert for a shop around here
- you go off the handle? You need help. 
-  
  All other considerations aside, you can limit the distribution of your posts  
to the area where it will do people good.  Please attempt to do this in the  
future, you will reach the people you want to, and save a bunch of grief in the  
process.  Some people get really touchy about the cost of thier news because  
they have to pay for thier feed and the phone call.  One message might not seem  
like much, but add in all the flames that it generates ( an utterly pointless  
waste of bandwith ) and the responces to flames, and on  and on.....
  I run about an $80 phone bill a month to get all my news.  I'm sure it would  
be about $40 if I could get a flame filter at my feed sight, or just get people  
to post local information to local distributions.
  Don't get me wrong, I'm no self proclaimed bandwith nazi, but a little self  
controll goes a long way folks.
  If you dont believe me, witness the thread on rec.humor,

>999,999,976 Green Bottles hanging on the wall
>999,999,976 Green bottles hanging on the wall
>and if one green bottle should happen to fall
>they'd be...

  I think I'll cancel that group.



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From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Need clean racing jokes
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:22:36 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Ok, you relaxing, money saving, broken bones healing off-season
races.... heard any good racing jokes or stories lately?





	<================================================> 
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      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
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From: jbp@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Tobacco and Racing (was Re: '93 French GP Cancelled)
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:23:24 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <moseley.137.724713687@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>In time, all tobacco advertising at sporting events will be banned in most 
>places, and that is fine with me, too. I'm sure motorcycle racing will 
>survive without tobacco sponsorship. Maybe teams will have to deal with 
>smaller budgets, that's OK. I'd like to see Kevin ride the Pepsicle again. 
>Every time I renew my AMA membership, I feel like I'm supporting J.R. 
>Reynolds (is that who makes Camels) and that bugs the hell out of me. Get 
>these murdering bastards out of the sport! (Gee, that was little strident, 
>wasn't it.)

Since this newsgroup is headed down the toilet anyway, let me do my bit 
to flush it just that much sooner.  There is this activity called
``smoking'' (which is voluntary) that a lot of folks don't like because 
it smells and can harm you.  And it now appears fashionable to wish our
governments to ban cig sponsorship (``passive advertising''?).
Without debating the fact that this is yet another example of the state 
(the majority) wishing to usurp individual perogative, let me point out 
that there is this activity called ``motorcycle racing'' (which is
voluntary) that a lot of folks don't like because it smells and can
harm you and it is noisy too.

Moral: Don't slam the other guy's activity if you don't like to get 
your activity slamed.

Back to reality: Can anyone tell me about the properties of castor
oil (100% pure -- whatever that means) in pump gasoline?  For example, 
will it stay in solution or is it just kinetically suspended, so to
speak, for a while in the gas?  Is separation temperature dependent?
Can anyone tell me how they make castor oil?  Any thoughts/experiences
pertaining to castor oil would be interesting to me.  I'll shut up and 
listen now.
-- 
John Posthill
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles