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From: chore@neumann.une.edu.au (Prince Of Darkness,Silent,Lucidity,.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Rust Monsters ( Re: Various Questions )
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: chore@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: chore@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Aug9.230047.22157@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, by jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W. Kale):
> 
> 	Yah, I hate them too. Try throwing things at them, like
> rocks or darts or daggers. Generally by the time you find a rust
> monster, there are just piles and piles of crummy weapons lying
> about. If you have a magic marker, genocide the suckers! You
> can make more genocide scrolls.
> 


Speaking (writing) of genocide, what is the best nasty to genocide, i tried
typing dragon, and it says something about not existing, tried typing a heap
of nasties i'd rather not see, and most of the names i came up with were
no accepted, could somebody please post a list of recommended genocidable
monsters, and the EXACT thing you type when asked what you want genocoded.

I had to resort to Gnome Lord before the scroll said "enough tries"...
bummer!

Thanks

-Chris
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The Mad Monkey (ericc@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug17.202233.21867@msi.com> Bill Poitras, bill@snoopy
: writes:
: >: IMHO, Archiologists are one of the best classes  you can id gems. And
: if
: >: you just had a big Red Dragon lunch, well, just tin that Frost Giant,
: and
: >: have him for high tea.
: 
: Agreed. While priests are ok for their cursed/blessed detection,
: there are plenty of altars throughout the dungeon for that purpose.
: Otherwise, you have to burn scrolls of identify to find jewels.

You don't always find plenty of altars.  What if you find some great
stuff on level 16 and the last alter was on level 4?  You have to go up
12 levels to find the altar.  That is assuming you can carry everything
you want to look at.  A priest just picks it up, and knows right away.
You could "burn scrolls of identify" to find the blessed/cursed state
right? :-)

I don't see the need to find jewels.  The only use I have for gems is to:
1) Sell, which gives a good idea if its a jewel or not
2) Throw at a unicorn.  So what if it takes 10 unidentified gems to
raise my luck to 10, while it only takes 2 jewels for the same affect.
I just polymorph a pile of rocks and poof, instant supply of gems.
3) Points at the end of the game.  Haven't gotten this far to really care
about it.

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From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.202554.21156@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
>OPIRG (wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
>: I've just played several games games with a valkrie.  For the first
>: several games, I would wait until I got to xlvl 5, and then dip my
>: longsword in a fountain to get Elbereth.  Each time, it worked on the
>: first try.  On the last game I played, however, I dipped it in
>: fountains over and over, starting at xlvl 5 until I died (approx xlvl
>: 11).  I never got Elbereth.  The only thing I could think of was that
>: the longsword was blessed.  Perhaps the 'Murkey hand' didn't feel like
>: blessing it again.  Any ideas?
>
>You must be having bad luck or something.  What's been the phase of the
>moon?

I don't think the moon had any particular phase.  I'm not sure how the
phases thing works, anyway, except that (I've heared) that it affects
your luck.  The last game I played, the same thing happene again, and
I'm almost positive the moon was 'normal'.  I also sacrificed lots of
stuff and got the message 'you glimpse a four-leaf clover at your
feet' (or whatever it is) several times.

Christopher Allen
(wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca)

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From: rlw@IDA.ORG (Richard Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:45:43 GMT

st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
: about Archeologists: It's nice to be able to have a tinning kit from the 
: start, since most of my deaths involve either starving to death, or being
: driven to desperetly stupid actions by hunger (at least in the very begining)

I guess I must be doing something wrong since I have been playing hack
since version 1.0 and, since praying came into effect, have NEVER had a
character starve to death.  There have been enough spoilers, surely, to
have explained the method even to the rankest novice.

Basic survival requires a bit of learning.  The real problem is
playability.  I wonder how many people have discovered some of the more
obscure things (nameable artifacts, engraving, etc.) for themselves as
opposed to finding them in the spoilers.  

Of course, not all of the features have made it into the spoilers file.
For example, only a few people have figured out how to get the level 1
WoW, but that's a really hard one.  The specific words vary from
character type to character type and ... well, never mind.
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From: hyvarine@cs.Helsinki.FI (Ilkka Hyvarinen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: What pray tell is a system shock?
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:33:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.hack
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland

In <1992Aug16.051605.24028@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH) writes:

>In article <Bt1to1.3zo@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (NO CARRIER) writes:
>>
>>I was polymorphing when all of a sudden I died for what seemed like no
>>reason. What the heck is a system shock? there was nothing in the room.
>>Feel free to mail...
>>   steve
>>-- 

>This happen to me for the first time recently. (I don't polymorph myself a lot)
>My guess is that polymorphing works the same way in nethack as it did in AD&D,
>upon which a large portion of nethack is based.  In AD&D, every time you 
>polymorph, you make a system shock roll based on your constitution.  If 
>memory serves, an average constitution gives an 80-90% chance of survival,
>and sufficiently high constitution assures survival.  Remember, however, that
>this is only speculation (attn: flamers); nethack could very well do things
>differently.  Maybe there are some source code scavengers out there who know
>the specifics.

I guess this is about how it goes if you don't have a ring of polymorph
control. Using the ring will rid you of system shocks.


Ilkka Hyvarinen
hyvarine@cs.Helsinki.FI

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From: trav@wixer.cactus.org (traveller)
Subject: Re: Sacrificing
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:49:04 GMT

In article <05uNPB1w165w@halcyon.com> Buck Godot <bgodot@halcyon.com> writes:
>> Minor Spoiler:
>> Found out that if you wished for a blessed scroll or recharging, you can 
>> re-charge your wand of wishing once (so you can get 5 wishes total!)
>> 
>> Flurr {tm}
> 
> That's the darn BEST hint I've ever heard! extra wishes are... well... 
>FANTASTIC! :) :) I'm gonna go try it...
>

well, gee, as far as that goes, just use one of the wishes for a new
wand of wishing..

trav

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From: madmax@cellar.org (Alex Strumpf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:08:43 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:

> A priest is good because he can identify the cursed/blessed state of an
> object.  That I think is more valuable than identifying gems.  Plus his
> kick is good against chests.  Not very often do I get hurt kicking a
> chest.  This isn't very true of some of the other classes I've tried.
> 
Why bother kicking the chest with a priest chr.?  just <minor spoiler 
follows..>












Just have the priest force the lock with his mace.(the A can also do this 
with the bullwhip)  Which is why(I agree with you on this point) I don't 
worry as much about losing hp and wounding legs with A & P as I do with W,T,
etc. 

madmax@cellar.org
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From: wcpl@owlnet.rice.edu (Wing Chiu Peter Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Need Sage Advice!
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:40:25 GMT
Organization: Rice University


In article <1992Aug16.023522.16137@u.washington.edu> angus@hardy.u.washington.edu (Angus the Demonchild) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.184635.2821@unlinfo.unl.edu> ksoutor@unlinfo.unl.edu 
>(kevin soutor) writes:
>>.....(about getting a whole bunch of cursed items)....
>
>Minor spoilers ahead...
>
>The best way to detect curses on items wholesale is to find an altar
>and drop *everything* on it (except perhaps potions of water).  With
>the exception of water, dropping an item on an altar will cause it to
>flash black if it is cursed or...amber, I think, if it is blessed.

And to remove the curse on them, the best way is to have all the items
with you and then read a *blessed* scroll of remove curse.  Then ALL items
will be uncursed.

Peter
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: eillihca@drizzle.Stanford.EDU (Achille Hui)
Subject: Just a thought
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:06:38 GMT

After reading a few ego-boosting posts on winning, an idea come to my
mind. Has anyone in history ever wins in all charater class ? Perhaps
in next version of nethack, we should give the ** all time winners **
a new kind of challenge. If someone wins in all character classes,
he should be granted the title of eternal champion and he can challenge
the gods themselves. If the player destroy the Gods, he will be promoted
to godness. Imagine the feeling when other players have to pray to you
to ask for protection ;-)

*************************************************************************
*    Congrulations, the most courageous Eternal Champion,		*
*    you finally accomplish your task of winning in all realms		*
*    of reality. Being jealous of your achievement, Loki materialize    *
*    in the middle of air and demands you kneel before him to		*
*    demonstrate your loyalty. Do you wish to follow his order? [yn]	*
*************************************************************************
     


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From: jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W. Kale)
Subject: Re: Pray time-out (was Re: Newbies)
Reply-To: jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W. Kale)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:30:03 GMT


In a previous article, richard@iesd.auc.dk (Richard Flamsholt S0rensen) says:

>
>  Now is really the time to ask: what *is* the dreaded Time-outs for
>Praying?

	A while ago, some source-code-delver looked this up and
posted the answer. I believe he said the timeout was a random
number between a few hundred and a few thousand. (Gee, its a good
thing my memory is so specific, huh? :)
	In practice, I have never had a problem using this technique:
I always wait at least as long as it takes to digest a food ration
between prayers. That is, I pray, wait until I'm hungry, eat a
food ration, (and maybe a corpse or two for good measure), wait
until I'm hungry again, then pray again.
	It would be nice if, in some future version, Priests (maybe
just high-level Priests) got to see their prayer timeouts. Or maybe
some new item could allow any character to see their timeout; 
a Ring of Devotion, say, which could change colors (a la rings of 
warning) to indicate just how happy your deity is with you.
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From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?!
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:57:06 GMT
 <LCL.92Aug11125101@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> <1992Aug11.224158.23665@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Aug11.224158.23665@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, peg@cs.washington.edu (Peter Granger) writes:
> In article <LCL.92Aug11125101@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu writes:
> 
>>I previously genocided c and : with blessed scrolls.  So why is there a
>>cockatrice on this level?  (I'm on a unix game, hard option set.)
> 
> Just at a guess... Is it possible that you're on a bones level? I
> don't know for certain, but I think when a bones level is restored, it
> is restored exactly as it was when the previous player died. So if
> there was a cockatrice there, it would still be there when you find
> the level.

I think that even on a bones level monsters genocided will stay genocided.
More likely is that you have found a chameleon. Either kill it like it
is, or wait for it to change into a newt or something. Of course, it
might turn into a black dragon first....

> 
> Now a question of my own -- do people really find cockatrices to be
> problem? I've never found them to be worth genociding. I always carry
> around 2 or 3 dead lizards, but I can't remember the last time I
> actually needed to use one. But, I do play a very conservative game,
> and by the time I'm running into cockatrices, they're usually one- or
> two-swing kills. The main danger I find from them is if I'm blinded
> and ungloved, and accidentally feel one.

Never bother myself. Liches etc are much more worthe genociding. Your god
will always help too, long as you don't pray too much. I usually drop
the lizards and rely on divine intervention, but it's pretty rare that
you get stoned once your AC is good enough. (And once you can kill them
in 2 hits.)

> 
> As for genociding, the things I take out are generally nymphs, nurses,
> xans, and umber hulks. And after that I go for cockatrices, but when
> was the last time you ever found more than 4 scrolls of genocide?

None of those things are that bad! Xans are easy, just wear boots. Unber
Hulks are harder, but carry a unicorn horn and they become no more dangerous
than a dragon. Nymphs are easy, hit them with a wand (sleep maybe, or a
ray one) or throw missiles at them. Nurses don't matter much. I usually
don't bother taking my armor off but you just leave them alone. (Or kill
them if you don't mind bad luck. With a blessed luckstone and lots of
sacrifices it rarely matters.)

> -- 
> --------              --------
> Pete Granger          | "Eight and a half hours was not enough. The alarm
> peg@cs.washington.edu |  went off like attack and mayhem and universal doom."
>                       |    - C.J. Cherryh, "The Kif Strike Back"
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From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: news
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:19:27 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

hey,

i have a real old version on net hack (seversl years old) and
i have just started playing. so here is my question....

what is the point of being able to engrave messages on the
floor with my finger or my weapon (which goes dull). 

please send the answer to me direct since i'm not in this group
much.

thanks in advance!!!

don
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: markus@colores.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Markus Steinberg)
Subject: How can i get better AC from priests ?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:07:48 GMT

Hello,

almost every time i give money to a priest, he will bestow a blessing on
me, so i get a kind of magic mapping.
Which is the correct sum i must give him, to receive an AC bonus ?

Please mail soon to

markus@andrej.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: angus@hardy.u.washington.edu (Angus the Demonchild)
Subject: Re: Phasing?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.180403.9573@uoft02.utoledo.edu> 
steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>the spoilers give phasing as an intrinsic you can get from Xorn. to see what
>it'd be like i've run a few exploration games to see if this is so. so
>far there've been lots of immune to cold/heat results, but no phase.
>is it really possible to get the ability?

No, it isn't...unless of course you polymorph into one.  What version
of the spoilers are you reading?  The version I have specifically
states that phasing is not an ability that a player can gain by eating.

>jason
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Wasted by Wizard (SPOILERS)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.152901.1500@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Andrew F. Cockburn) writes:
>> Anyway, I cleared out the castle and amongst other things I wished for a 
>> blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail, and received a black mantelet which is +
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Are you saying that the mantelet is what you got when you wished for
>GDSM?  If so, you got cheated.  The mantelet is a cloak of some type
>and provides no magic resistance.  GDSM shows up as GDSM in your inventory.

He probably typoed grey/gray.
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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Djinni's
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:40:31 GMT

Peter Snelling (snelling@bnr.ca) wrote:
: I have some questions about djinni's:
: 
: Does anyone know the chances of djinni's appearing from magic lamps or
: potions?

I don't but...

: Does the blessed / cursed status of the lamp affect the chances of it 
: appearing, or just the chances of it being peaceful / granting you
: a wish?

I think both.  An uncursed, unblessed lamp has produced djinnis that
don't grant a wish.  I have never seen this with a blessed lamp.

: Do genie's only appear from glowing potions (whatever that happens to 
: be in your game) ?  If so, that's a big drag if the glowing potion 
: turns out to be poison or hallucination.

1) Djinnis can come from magic lamps
2) Djinnis can pop out from glowing potions
3) So can ghosts

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From: wolff@kjemi.unit.no (Erik Wolff . Kjemiteknikk)
Subject: Re: Tourists make the world go 'round (was Re: Best classes)
Organization: Lab. of Chem.Eng, Norwegian Inst. of Tech.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:35:09 GMT

On a previous Tourist expedition I found a *huge* scroll shop. With a little
help from my cat I was soon the lucky owner off 36 +8 darts. Truly incredible
                                                   ^^
weapon used from a distance. Pills the tourist took out Centaurs with three
darts! Just my luck then to be killed by a poisoned dart. (Somehow I can't
seem to get used to monsters seeing med down the dark hallway. Terribly
annoying.)

Erik
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From: flurr@iastate.edu (Flurr {tm})
Subject: Re: Sacrificing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:46 GMT

In <1992Aug18.044904.29087@wixer.cactus.org> trav@wixer.cactus.org (traveller) writes:

>well, gee, as far as that goes, just use one of the wishes for a new
>wand of wishing..

    Doesn't work...  you get a wand of wishing (0) that can't be charged... 
Same way with the magic lamps...

Flurr {tm}

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From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (<<<***Steve Franklin***>>>)
Subject: Help with Hack again?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:08:00 GMT

Wel. I had a character up to level 28 in the underground part. How much
further are things now? God, level 28 was teeming with minotaurs and
stuff, and I found I could never heal enough after a battle. Am I doing
something wrong? I had a level 14, 110 hp valkrie (sp?) there, with pretty
good stats and all. However, she got her butt kicked left right and center. 
Barely squeeked through level 27, (with alot of cheating by copying the save
file), and then 28? Forget it.
   Is my character too low a level to handle level 28? Am I close to something
big? Help!?!?!
   thanks 
steve
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From: lsnyder@mango.ucsb.edu (Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: A stupid question _after_ the castle
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:22:05 GMT
Organization: Wabbit Hunters of Amerwica

The continuing saga of LoveChunks, the cross-dressing Valkerie:



LC finally found a spellbook of force bolt and defeated the castle.
He then proceeded to levitate across the trapdoors.  But, he was 
distracted by a couple of juicy dragons, so the potion wore off.
Unfortunately, he could not jump over the traps in the dark, so he 
punted (He was done here anyway).  Now he is down on 29, wondering
what that post was about intentionally level teleporting.  TP is not
a problem, nor is TPC.  Is LC supposed to be confused or what?

PS> I could not find a level teleport trap anywhere.

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