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From: ferguson@world.std.com (Jon E Ferguson)
Subject: NeXTstation mono won't power off
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:09:43 GMT

When I went to install 3.0, I ran the prep program on the floppy,
but then got interrupted and never finished installing from
the CD-ROM.  After a few days I noticed that my sound wasn't working
(this is not my current problem, I eventually figured out that it
was because of the interrupted install, and I've finished installing 3.0).

I got pissed and tried all kinds of things to get it working.
Eventually I got the idea in my head that the battery backed
up memory was munged or something (I was really desperate at this
point), so I opened up the case and took out the battery to
clear the memory.

Well, when I went to put the battery back in, the NeXT powered
up right away! (It was plugged in so I could ground myself on
the power supply).  This gave me a sick feeling in my stomach
because the keyboard and monitor were sitting on the other side
of the room not attached.

So, now my machine has this little quirk in that it needs to be shut
off twice before it stays off. If I power down, it goes through all
the usual stuff, then it shuts the power off (the monitor goes off,
makes the clicking sound and all), then it powers right back on again.
In order to get it to shut down, I have to wait until it gets far
enough into it's boot sequence to recognize the power key, and
power it off a second time.  This time it stays off.

If I wait too long the second time, it won't stick.  If I listen
carefully I can even tell when the point-of-no-return passes because
the fan seems to speed up slightly.

My machine don't seem to have the extra "power one" features of
the newer machines (I don't get the preferences section for it).

Does anyone have any ideas?  Could it be the power supply? (I've
already replaced one power supply). Anybody seen this before?

-Jon
ferguson@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Subject: Re: Multi Line BBS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:01:58 GMT

Mark Kern writes
>What products exist on the Next to make it suitable for a multi-line  
>dialup BBS?  How much would it cost for the modem hardware?  Are there  
>good programming
>tools for programming such a BBS?  If so, I am very interested in buying  
>a Next computer.
> 
> Markus

As others have pointed out, the operating system is perfect.  Create an
anonymous account with very limited privs, or a restricted shell for 
requesting an account and then assign real accounts after you have verified 
them.  A NeXT can have more features than BBS's could ever dream to have.  
Set up SLIP, feed nntp(news) or smtp(mail), etc...

Considering hardware.  I've had thoughts of setting up a BBS on my NeXT for
some time.  However, I've been looking for similiar information.  What I've
gathered is that I would need is a terminal server to connect the modems.  A
terminal server does the communications between EtherNet and the modems.  I
havn't found anyone in the NeXT publications, magazines, etc.. that I've
looked selling such a beast.  However, any company involved with networking
should have one.  I've been meaning to call CISCO for pricing and info, but
I've been limited on cash and scared of the price they might quote.  CISCO
is one of many companies making routers, gateways and such.

If you find more info, I'd be interested to hear.

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
From: ken@cs.cornell.edu (Ken Birman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
Subject: Timer overflow causes problems after 4 weeks
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:44:56 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

We have been shown a problem with Isis under which a timer, stored in
a 32-bit signed integer with millisecond accuracy, overflows when Isis
V3.0.6 or Isis V3.0.7 has been running for about 4 weeks.

The symptom is that remote client programs will be dropped by protos
(much as if Isis had crashed) after about 20 seconds of connect time.
Basically, protos sheds all its connections and won't make new ones
using the remote connection code that runs over TCP.

Work-arounds: there are three.

One is to edit the code for the routine isis_disconnect() in cl_isis.c,
commenting out its disconnect action.  In my copy of the obscured cl_isis.c,
this procedure starts at line 1044:

	F7fb29058
	P69bef462()
	{
	B28d3c828 B399ad7b8 *msg;
	address H2ec0cf42;
		if (Z1ac5e3fe() != my_true_pid) {
	/**/
	msg = Ld4f438();
	H2ec0cf42 = X2cbaf53a(CL_CLOSE);
	T78a74ca4(msg, &H2ec0cf42);
	B553dfda4(&H2ec0cf42, msg);
	}
		Ld0b19d0(-1);      <-------- COMMENT THIS LINE OUT!
	}

If you are running V2.2 or for some reason can't relink your applications,
another approach (one that kills performance) is to force Isis to use UDP.
Do this by setting ISISPORT to a nonsense value so that TCP connections
will fail.  Yet a third option is to reboot your protos servers at least
once a month.

We'll have a real fix for this in V3.0.8.  I apologize to anyone who runs
into this -- these sorts of timer dependencies are supposed to be handled
automatically, but obviously we missed one.
-- 
Kenneth P. Birman                              E-mail:  ken@cs.cornell.edu
4105 Upson Hall, Dept. of Computer Science     TEL:     607 255-9199 (office)
Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (USA)      FAX:     607 255-4428
From: sundvall@perrier.embnet.se (Mats Sundvall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
Subject: Re: ISIS++
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:33:03 GMT
Organization: EMBNet Project Sweden
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sundvall@perrier.embnet.se
NNTP-Posting-Host: perrier.embnet.se


In article 92Dec13232755@honir.cs.cornell.edu, rcbc@honir.cs.cornell.edu (Robert Cooper) writes:
>Both these fixes will appear in V3.0.8 when it is released sometime in the
>new year.>                   -- Robert Cooper
>--
>-- 


I found the same problems and a couple of other problems as well. I compiled
it with Sun C++ 3.0. There is a undefined symbol NULLSID used in the code!
NULLSID is not present at least in the 3.0.7 code I have! You also have to
define the static members next and memberobjects present in the Nameserver class.
It is not just enough to declare static members in 3.0. When you do this the code
compile, although with some warnings.

If you are a purist, compile it with +p that will warn about all anachronisms and
refuse everything that is not 3.0. Lot's of errors:-<

Mats Sundvall
Dept of Medical Genetics
Uppsala University
Uppsala, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: ken@cs.cornell.edu (Ken Birman)
Subject: Re: ISIS for VR?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:24:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.061340.17505@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> cplai@csie.nctu.edu.tw () writes:
>
>Hi:
>    I am news to Virtual Reality, and I heard about ISIS. I am wondering what it is and what can I do to it for VR?
>

To my knowledge, Isis has been used in two VR projects.

One is headed by Steve Pink at the Swedish Institute for Computer
Science.  Steve is pink@sics.se, and I understand that their VR
software is publically available.  I copied a bunch of their material
to ftp.cs.cornell.edu (pub directory) a while back.  No idea what
it does or how well it works, but people tell me the system is quite
nice.

The second project is a part of the overall VR activity at University
of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.  Prof. Don Smith headed the effort and
although he is now at IBM more than at UNC, I am sure he can still be
reached through UNC.  Email at IBM is smithfd@vnet.ibm.com; he can 
probably provide pointers to the group at UNC itself.  Again, no idea
what they actually have done, but they do have a very good reputation.

-- 
Kenneth P. Birman                              E-mail:  ken@cs.cornell.edu
4105 Upson Hall, Dept. of Computer Science     TEL:     607 255-9199 (office)
Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (USA)      FAX:     607 255-4428
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: cplai@csie.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: ISIS for VR?
Organization: Dep. Computer Science & Engin. of Chiao Tung Univ., Taiwan, ROC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:13:40 GMT


Hi:
    I am news to Virtual Reality, and I heard about ISIS. I am wondering what it is and what can I do to it for VR?

Please reply to:



cplai@ccsun5.csie.nctu.edu.tw

Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: rcbc@seth.cs.cornell.edu (Robert Cooper)
Subject: Re: ISIS++
Reply-To: rcbc@cs.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:24:37 GMT

In article <1ghnsvINNh6b@buzz.bmc.uu.se> sundvall@perrier.embnet.se (Mats Sundvall) writes:

>   NULLSID is not present at least in the 3.0.7 code I have! 

Good point! This was accidentally obscured in our obscured source,
and will be unobscured in the next release. In the meantime, simply use 

#define NULLSID (site_id) 0

     -- Robert Cooper
--
--
From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
Subject: Sending a message to a single address
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:40:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Hi,

Im using isis 2.2.7 and have the following problem:

Given the following groups...

G={a,b,c}		Group G contains addresses a b and c
F={d}

What is the most elegant way using ISIS to send a message from "d" in
group F to a specific member of G, given that "d" has the address of
this member? Also, this message must arrive at a specified entry point
(this is why bcast_l("l" is unsuitable) since in Isis v.2.1 this
delivered to entry point 0).

The only way I can easily see of doing this is to make "d" a client of
G, and create a subgroup of G containing the single members address that
"d" wants to send to. "d" then leaves G as a client and the newly
created subgroup (of one address) is then destroyed. This seems rather
heavyweight for a single cast.

On a related note, is their a convienience function I have missed that
will copy an address? For example, I may want to record the result of
msg_getsender(msg_p) for much longer than the duration of the message or
function.

Any help would be gratefully received (understatement!).

Thanks

Jonathan

-- 
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'-'________    Fax: +44 524 381707              Lancaster University
            E-mail: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk   Lancaster, Lancs., U.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: ken@cs.cornell.edu (Ken Birman)
Subject: Re: Sending a message to a single address
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:05:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.154046.20778@comp.lancs.ac.uk> jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor) writes:
>Im using isis 2.2.7 and have the following problem:
>Given the following groups...
>G={a,b,c}		Group G contains addresses a b and c
>F={d}
>
>What is the most elegant way using ISIS to send a message from "d" in
>group F to a specific member of G, given that "d" has the address of
>this member? Also, this message must arrive at a specified entry point
>(this is why bcast_l("l" is unsuitable) since in Isis v.2.1 this
>delivered to entry point 0).

Actually, you have this slightly wrong.  First, the normal way would
be just to do:
	bcast(his_addr, entry, ....)
where his_entry is of type address*, for example:
	gv = pg_getview(pg_lookup("G"));
	bcast(&gv->gv_members[1], DOSOMETHING, ...);
You can use bcast_l for this but you need to set the addr_entry
values by hand:
	address list[2];
	list[0] = gv->gv_members[1];
	list[0].addr_entry = DOSOMETHING;
	list[1] = NULLADDRESS;
	bcast_l("l", list, ....);

>
>The only way I can easily see of doing this is to make "d" a client of
>G, and create a subgroup of G containing the single members address that
>"d" wants to send to. "d" then leaves G as a client and the newly
>created subgroup (of one address) is then destroyed. This seems rather
>heavyweight for a single cast.

Well, that would work, and it might actually give good performance
(subject to the comments about switching back and forth between groups
discussed in a prior posting).  But, you don't need to do anything so
elaborate.

>On a related note, is their a convienience function I have missed that
>will copy an address? For example, I may want to record the result of
>msg_getsender(msg_p) for much longer than the duration of the message or
>function.

You just need to allocate something of type address (as opposed to address*)
and copy explicitly:
	address copy;
	copy = *msg_getsender(mp);
	....
Later, use &copy to refer to this copy of the address.  Be careful to
use storage that will be safe for as long as you might need a reference
to the copy...
-- 
Kenneth P. Birman                              E-mail:  ken@cs.cornell.edu
4105 Upson Hall, Dept. of Computer Science     TEL:     607 255-9199 (office)
Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (USA)      FAX:     607 255-4428
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: Several II+ questions (newbie!)
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:59:00 GMT

>From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
>Subject: Several II+ questions (newbie!)
 
>        I just 'inherited' a slightly battered II+ and I have a few
>questions about it that I hope you Apple gurus can answer.
 
>1.   What *is* a language card?
 
The language card contains 16K, plus, I guess memory to replace the chip that
was in the socket it plugs into. My 32K language card-oid also plugged into one
of the RAM sockets. This extra 16K is a "Language Card" because it is was
originally made to provide enough memory for the Apple II Pascal system.
 
>2.  Is this machine capable of displaying 80 column text?
 
Not w/o an 80 column card. Applied Engineering made?makes the Viewmaster 80.
Many 80-column cards used to be available. I have some strange 80 col card in
my ][+. I figured out how to enable it once and then never used it again.
 
>3.  Is there a way I can add an RS232 serial port?
 
Yes. Apple sells the Super Serial Card. There are a number of clones, including
a new one from Sequential Systems. TMS sells the Seq. Sys. card.
 
>4.  The disk drive appears to be broken.  When you turn on the machine it
>moves the heads around (resetting itself?) and then it just keeps running
>forever.  (The drive says "DISK II" on the front and is labeled "drive 1"
>and connected to the "drive 1" connector on the card installed in the
>forever.  (The drive says "DISK II" on the front and is labeled "drive 1"
>and connected to the "drive 1" connector on the card installed in the
>machine.  Is this a common (and easily repairable) problem?
 
This is perfectly normal behavior if there is no disk in the drive. Press
control-reset (or just reset, depending on the setting of the reset switch
below the keyboard inside the computer) to stop the disk drive. Don't leave it
running too long. It is supposedly bad for the motor.
 
>| Tom Guptill           | tgpt_ltd@cc.rochester.edu (internet) |
 
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Finder Lost Files
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:56:08 GMT

1. I was at the highest level of my HD's second partition (H2) and
2. I had subdirectory "W71" selected without meaning to.

3. I then pressed the Shift key and selected X071.SHK and X072.SHK
   which I wanted to delete.

4. As I moved the three files towards the trashcan I saw my
   mistake and moved them back to H2. (All three still selected)

5. I hit the mouse button whil not on top of any of the three and
   nothing happened.

6. I then hit the mouse button two or three times very quickly and
   all three disappeared. Nothing was in the trash can and it had
   not flashed during this period.

7. I then tried:
	a. Mr. Fixit from ProSel 16 - No errors
	b. Exume Files from ProSel 16 - My files didn't appear
	c. Undelete files from Copy ][ + - Lost files message
	d. Undelete from UtilityWorks - Block Busy message.
	e. Mr. Fixit Master Directory option - No errors.
	
I'm fairly certain that the files are on my HD and are somehow
removed from the directory, memory not idled, and yet Prosel
doesn't see this as an error.

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Kind Regards,
-- 

		Joe Walters att!ihlpm!bird, IH 2A-227 (708) 224-7189
		To know, and not to do, is not yet to know
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NuLib v3.23 now available
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:19:02 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec17.103800.7886@scorch.apana.org.au> lgarde@scorch.apana.org.au (Leon Garde) writes:
>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>|In article <9212132358.AA26544@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>|>won't let me create the files because I don't own them.  Is there some flag
>|>in tar I don't know about?  -o and -p don't seem to help.

>|Your version of tar must be brain-dead; I've never seen this happen before.

>Well, maybe its not 'tar' which is causing Brian's problem ...
>It maybe the operating system which doesnt allow him to create files
>he doesnt own. (Quite likely, I'd say ..)

Irrelevant.  tar shouldn't be trying in the first place.  I've been grabbing
 .tar.Z files for a while and they've always come out owned by me.

>The solution : yes there probably is a flag you 'dont know about'.
>It would be one which makes all files , that you untar, yours.

He tried them.  They didn't work.  (see the original message)

Brian: try tar -\? and see if it has unlisted options... maybe the man page
is wrong.

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: Turbo IDE Card description
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.215121.28415@athena.mit.edu> pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer) writes:
>
>	Does this mean it is going to have problems with a 2e with the 
>zip 8000 or a GS with a TW or Zip card? If we have any other hardware 
>configuration are we going to have to get special ROM's for these???

	No, by high optimized ROM for the GS, the GS driver maps the
direct page over the soft switches for faster access.  The Zip HD roms
do this as well.

	In the //e, you can't move the zero page, so this isn't
possible.  The cards for the //e and the gs are the same, the only
difference is the code on the rom chip.  I imagine the GS rom uses
other 65816 specific opcodes as well.

	I ran the Turbo IDE in my system, I have a TWGS, and there
weren't any problems.  In fact, we even ran the drive using my
smartport for power.  Although, I have an Econ power supply.

	The card is very quick.  I have a RamFAST, and it seemed
faster in the finder, ie opening and closing windows, but I have
nothing but "my senses" to back that statement up.




Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
America On_Line:  DWS Steve
Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: merklin@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ed Kemo)
Subject: apple death
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:04:40 GMT





Tis really too bad about the lack of support for the IIgs, but
must say I dont think its gonna get any better
ed
From: bbs-bdoherty@jwt.UUCP (Benjamin Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: BD: ZIPGSX 9mhz/32K Questions
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: bbs-bdoherty@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix

I just bought a ZIPGSX from TMS Peripherals (one of the greats of the
mail order business I might add) and installed it without any
trouble.  I just have a few questions, is there any way to stop the
cursor from flickering on the desktop?  Has anyone had any problems
with programs crashing?  It might just be my system because I only
have 1.25 megs and I try to run programs that sometimes need more
when DA's are loaded.  And does anyone have the FTA ZIP CDA?  Is it
compatable with the latest ZIP Tech CDA?  Could someone post it to
c.b.a2?  <grin>

InterNET: bbs-bdoherty@jwt.uucp               |   FidoNET: sysop@1:363/152
          jwt!bbs-bdoherty@peora.sdc.ccur.com | FutureNET: #109@#3
          ...!peora!jwt!bbs-bdoherty          |   ProLine: bdoherty@pro-magic
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <9212181851.AA10485@cxr_rs6000>, by marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram):
> Roy Barrett wrote some time recently:
>>[some crap which has got him in almost everyone's global kill file]

> Q: WHAT WILL KILL THE APPLE IIGS?
> A: Any of the following:
>   [Some very hilarious possibilities deleted]

You know. I really love this guy... :-) I may have a temp of 102' and feel
like sh*t right now, but I'm still rotfl... :-)

> so the rest of us could spend more time getting things done on/for the GS
> and less time basking nay-sayers heads against their respective news feeds.

I love this visual image...

DEG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Dec16.070021.9320@eskimo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.070021.9320@eskimo.com> lurch@eskimo.com (Erik Kloeppel) writes:

>   Richard - more .02 from eme... ref color Fax.  I think it would depend on
>   the degree of difficulty involved in coding.  If it's not THAT big a deal,
>   I'd say stick it in release 1 - that way you'd be WAY ahead of al lthe othe>   fax software from the beginning, and they'd be playing catch-up.
	Yeah, that would be nice.. :)

>   I think color fax is definately a coming thing, and it would be nice to
>   be able tosay (again) My computer can do something yours can't - well, for 
>   now, anyway.
	Now thats a VERY valid point.. hehehe  I wonder whether the
ibm/mac programs out there can..

>   On the other hand, if it's a real pain to code... yeah, let it sit for
>   rev 2.
	I know it won't be easy, but I haven't really looked into it
much..  Based on what you and everyone else has said, it probably wont
be included on the first release unless I really have alot of time
some week/month and have a massive programming binge.. :)


>   |          lurch@eskimo.com            |         Does the Noise in my      

				Richard
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Zip Chips
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:20:47 GMT

Can you send me info on doing it both way... I didn't think the tools were
ROM based but if they are I might as well take advantage of it.

Can you also send me a little info about what hooks I need to connect to
install a CDA and what format the program needs to take...(x bytes for name
etc..)
P.S. I assume this can be done without disk-based tools?


--

Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.