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From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Nighthawk fork oil [Was: Re: BMW Service Gouge?]
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:13:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Aug25.153124.18375@pica.army.mil>, tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom
Coradeschi <tcora>) wrote:
> Quite correct "Wise"-guy:-} Now: What kind of ATF? Dextron or Ford?
> (I've already gotten email from someone who simply uses fork oil. Not
> a half bad idea, I'd say. They are forks, after all!)

Most Hondas in my experience use 'standard' Dextron weight ATF as they
ship from the factory. This is equivalent to about a 7.5 weight fork 
oil. I usually use a 10 weight replacement for a slightly stiffer ride...
it feels just the tiniest bit more positive. YMMV.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
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From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Earplugs
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 17:25:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <Btx85C.2DB@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep01.204555.14688@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> 
|> >it's quieter at 140 for me cause i'm behind the fairing, out of the wind :).
|> 
|>   140kph, right?

of course.  *I* would certainly never even THINK of going 140 MPH.  why, that
would be illegal!

heh :)

axel
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winner of the Official(tm) (bs) DoD Battle Hymn Contest Announced
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:42:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <59887@mimsy.umd.edu> leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>keith@ctms.gwinnett.com (Keith Warren) writes:
>>* The Motorcycle/    Arlo Guthrie              Ed Green        *
>>* Pickle Song                                                  *
>
>I'll handle the original version, and leave it to Ed to transcribe the
>live version, which delves into "The Significance of The Pickle."
>
>
Hey!  Since we have cerritos as a .gif site, why doesn't someone put
the live version (or both) of the pickle song into a Sun .au file in
the same place?  I'm quite interested to learn the Significance of
The Pickle!  :-)  Lettuce no win, it's red eye.

-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |

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From: duke@cupid.uucp (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: New commer's question ......
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:59:34 GMT

In an article keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>In an article  chuen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Christopher Huen) writes:
>>
>>If I have about $4,000 to spent, what sport bike would you choose if the
>>followings are being concerned (1=highest priority......)
>>	1. Looking Good (I don't like the paint on older Katana)
>
>I think you'll be wasting $4,000.  If your main reason for getting a 
>motorcycle is to look good, you have it all wrong. 

A number of people have given similar flames here, nailing this guy
'cause he thinks he'll look cool on a bike.

I'm sure that thought never entered any other DoDer's mind before he
bought his first motorcycle.  That picture of James Dean on the Triumph
never flashed in anyone's head, right?  It never even occured to anyone
how funky Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper looked on those choppers, I'm
sure.  And I bet nobody has a picture of Kenny Rodgers dragging his
knee on a hairpin hanging above his workstation, right?

Come on, gang, the image is part of the deal.  Give the guy a break.

Duke Robillard            DoD #130
duke@cc.bellcore.com      {backbone}!bcr!cupid!duke
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: i found another dirt bike.
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:04:30 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

ok, we finally found a second bike.  this one is a 1984 xl350r (yes, a
350); its got 1000 miles and its been sitting in a garage for years,
collecting dust and spider webs.  the body is in fine shape: its never
been down. i'm going to trailer it back here on wednesday PM, and get
it working on thurs & fri.  as opposed to the xl200r (gumball), this
bike has 4-valve heads (rfvc) and dual carbs/exhaust. i posted in r.m
for suggestions about getting this thing started (its been sitting
over a year).  special things to watch for while reviving this engine?

its got the original tires (which are (surprisingly) not dry-rotted),
so i'll probably replace them.  i put an irc dual-purpose tire on the
front of the 200, and since i'll probably be doing street riding on
this bike as well, i probably put the same tires on this one, but not
until i'm done thrashing them in the dirt a bit (if you can call the
scaredy-cat kind of dirt riding i do "thrashing").  suggestions for 
other DP dires?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: HELP: P/N 13066-1023
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:07:30 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




   Erdman, If you must absolutly ride before you find a shaft then your
problem isn't too hard to fix.

    Just  set the kickstarter on the shaft where it isthe most
comfortable.
Take a drill and drill through the kickstarter and the shaft. Find a sheet
metal screw or small bolt that will fit all the way through the lever
and shaft. Instant workable kickstarter.


     Ken Ferguson
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti)
Subject: Re: falling was: Wrist/Elbow/Knee Protectors
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 01:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.064048.618@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.213824.8857@nas.nasa.gov>, ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
>>>  I guess the moral is not to extend you arms to break a fall.
>> 
>>  Yup, much better to use your head and break your neck!
>
>   When I wrote "extend", I was referring to arms more or less
>   locked.  It would be expected to use the arms to cussion a fall
>   but not to stop it.
>
>   There are obviously better ways to fall.  Some are good at
>   connecting up with Terra Firma while others hit like a 2000 lb
>   bomb.  Me?  I like to take core samples.

 Yeah, I think that proper crash technique is much like learning how
to rail berms, hammer it through the whoops, or proper braking - it
takes practice, and as you practice your crash technique, you learn
to refine the fine details - like locking your elbows or keeping some
bend in them when impacting an obviously out of control tree or lunitic
spectator. 

 Bob


-------------------------------------------------------
Bob Ciotti      (415) 604-4408      ciotti@nas.nasa.gov           o o 
Owner of the 1992 DoD Award Winning Gold Wing from Hell    ___   -\_/\
Complete with altimeter, cigarette lighter, and sterEo     o o---0    0
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:49:53 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:


> Last weekend I had the unpleasant experience of watching my wife pitch
>her XR200 down a hill.  She was descending, got off the trail down a 
>somewhat steeper part, decided it was too steep, and jumped off.  The good
>news is she is sore but somewhat unhurt.  The bad news is the bike kept going
>then did an end over end fork bending tumble.  

>  After finding out she was ok and wishing I'd had a camera, we figured out
>she just doesn't know what to do when the hill get's too steep.  She has
>no problem going uphill, but loses a lot of confidence when descending.  
>She's been riding for a couple years, but is pretty slow (hardly ever gets
>out of 3rd).

>  I told her that I thought a good idea when the hill gets too steep is to
>lock the rear brake, turn it parallel to the hillside, and fall off the
>uphill side of the bike.  True?  I also mentioned to keep her butt toward
>the back of the seat.  Any other suggestions?

>  Anyone got some '85 XR200 forks they'd like to sell?  :-)

>  -Jim

Ok, lemme see... I usually:

	i) assume the position, as taught by G. Bailey & friends, which is 
basically centered to rearward, elbows up, shoulders square, light grip 
on the clutch and brake with 1 finger...

	ii) Grip the tank/side of the bike with my knees/upper thighs.. 

	iii) Remember from street riding:  LOTS of the braking power is in the 
	     front wheel.  Don't be afraid to use it.

	iv) In extreme cases, do exactly what you told her.  Lock the rear, 
pitch it around with a weight shift, and lay it over.

Hope this helps.  Sorry about the forks.  Glad to hear she's ok.  I endo'ed big
time back in 1982 and managed to crush 3 vertebrae and almost severed my spine
(can you say "REALLY LUCKY") ... but the worst part was, it was only sept. and
it put me out for the rest of the fall...

Dave
-- 
| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		| "Its 106 miles to Chicago, we've got|
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From: tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:00:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep1.224953.8631@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
|> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
|> 	iii) Remember from street riding:  LOTS of the braking power is in the 
|> 	     front wheel.  Don't be afraid to use it.

I would strongly disagree with using the front brake on a steep hill.  This
is an easy way to get a close up view of the hill (after flying over the
handlebars), with the added fun of having the bike fall on top of you.

I only use the front brake (dirt and street) when I really need it.  I feel
much more confortable going into a rear-wheel lock slide then having my
front wheel lock up.

I recently watched my cousin do just what I described when he was coming
down this nasty hill we were trying to conquer.  Actually, his problem was
that the front tire got stuck in some heavy sand.  He never touched the front
brake, but it had the same effect.

I've taken this philosophy from my experiences riding dirt and street bikes.
It may not be true for everyone though.

	Ted


-- 
Ted Grzesik       Massachusetts Language Lab             Hewlett-Packard Company
tedg@apollo.hp.com                                Chelmsford, MA  (508) 436-5959
"Contrariwise", continued Tweedledee, "If it was so, it might be; 
and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."
                                        -- Lewis Carroll
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From: ramz@beta.lanl.gov (Thomas Rick Ramsey)
Subject: Gotta go riding
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:01:58 GMT

Some friends and I are heading up to the New Mexico/Colorado border and
later to Salida, Colorado for some trail riding on Tuesday, September 1
through Monday, September 7.  Our tentative schedule is:
  Tuesday    Conejos River to Alamosa River area
  Wednesday  Silver Mountain, Bennett Peak, Blowout Pass areas
  Thursday   North to Salida.  Hayden Pass/Bonanza/West Rainbow loop
  Friday     Marshall Pass loop (lunch at Dotties in Sargents)
  Saturday   Needle Reservoir loop
  Sunday     Rainbow Trail ride
  Monday     Misc riding

If anyone would like to join us for one or more days, contact me in
Los Alamos before Monday, August 31 at 505/662-2447 or after Wednesday
at the Rainbow Motel in Salida.

Rick Ramsey  ramz@lanl.gov  Los Alamos, NM  505/662-2447 evenings.
From: ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Wrist/Elbow/Knee Protectors
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:38:24 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Aug25.122519.613@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>>>So I went to the moto shops to check safety gear, and boy was I dissappointed.
>>>Nothing for wrists, the stuff for knees is either pathetically flimsy or
>>>an expensive orthopaedic contraption, and not much for elbows, either.
>

>  I guess the moral is not to extend you arms to break a fall.

 Yup, much better to use your head and break your neck!


 B
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:21:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

Hey George, how about strapping a bottle of nitrous to it?  Or make a small
cylinder and conceal it in the petrol tank . . . and watch those CR500 guys
turn green with envy as you blast by 'em on the hills!

-- Mike
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: preferred support vehicles
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:06:56 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <Btx48A.Mr6@cup.hp.com>, hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
> imagine you had a bunch of money (we can dream, can't we?)
> and you wanted to get your ideal dirt bike support vehicle
> and towing rig.  just what would that be?

i would get a 2/4wd pickup.  it would have a good stereo, a sunroof, 
and a long cab.  if you need more capacity, you can always tow a trailer.

ps: u-haul will rent a 4x8 foot garden trailer for $8/day.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: preferred support vehicles
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:00:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <Btx48A.Mr6@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>
>imagine you had a bunch of money (we can dream, can't we?)
>and you wanted to get your ideal dirt bike support vehicle
>and towing rig.  just what would that be?
>
>would you want a 4WD vehicle with trailer?  a van with trailer?
>a van without trailer (put bikes inside)?  4WD pickup (put bikes
>in pickup)?  2WD?  etc.

  Actually, I had this same predicament a year ago.  I wanted something
to haul my bikes in, both roadrace and dirt, that I could drive daily
and do some long trips comfortably.  I didn't want it to suck a lot
of gas, but have ok towing capacity (I already had a 3 rail trailer).
I got a Toyota 4x4 SR5 with a 5 speed V6.  It works great.

  I'd definitely suggest getting a 4x4 if you plan on going to some of 
the more remote riding places during the winter (the best time).  The
main road into Clear Creek can be a mess after a rain, but is heaven
for riding.  Same for up in the Sierras.

  Some of the guys I ride with have vans ... most 2wd.  If you plan
on doing some weekend long riding trips, a van is nice since you can sleep in
it.  It keeps your stuff dry while in transit as well.  I guess the problem
with a van is that it's kind of a pain to drive around all the time (limited
visibility).

  I have a tent that fits nicely in the bed of my truck, though, and I can
shove my tools and gear either in the xtra cab or under the truck if it
rains.  In transit, I put all the stuff in the bed in garbage bags to keep it
dry.




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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: preferred support vehicles
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:34:11 GMT

hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>imagine you had a bunch of money (we can dream, can't we?)
>and you wanted to get your ideal dirt bike support vehicle
>and towing rig.  just what would that be?

Your money? A huge Winnebago, pulling a huge enclosed trailer with
enough room for a workshop as well as bike storage.

My money? '92 Toyota stretch cab 4x4 pickup, and used, $50 dollar,
three bike trailer.

Since it is my only cage, I picked a smaller truck so I could afford
to drive it on a regular basis (we do have winter here). But the Toyota
is larger than most of the small trucks, the same size as Dodge's
"mid-size" Dakota. I got the stretch cab so there'd be room for my long
legs, as well as room for gear inside the truck. Don't plan on putting
anyone in the back seats for any length of time. The 7' bed is a perfect
fit for the Quadracer, but too short for bikes unless you leave the
tailgate down. There is an 8' bed available, but not with the stretch
cab. I got the V6 with 5 speed, and it's got plenty of guts when empty,
though it's a bit weak kneed with a full load of three bikes on the
trailer, two people, and food & gear for three people for a week. I
can still pass 'Bagos on uphill stretches, but I have to downshift to
3rd, and allow a LOT more room than FJ needs. :-) I chose 4WD for winter
driving, occasional off-road playing, and bike rescue ability - just in
case. The 4x4 is a lot taller than the 4x2, so loading bikes can be more
hassle, but I've got a pair of ramps made out of 2x10s, and I can just
ride the Quad into the back of the truck.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Moose Flywheel mod
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:35:39 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: gumby@motoman.pnl.gov (Jim Barbuscia SE Richland WA.)
> Subject: Re: Moose Flywheel mod
> 
>   you bet! I put one on my `89 and it worked great..
>  however once you put on a moose you can't get it off (not a problem on a cr500).
>  so look for a bolt on.

	Everyone I know that's using an MX'er in the bush with a flywheel 
	weight swear that it's one of the absolute best mods they ever made.

	I've never got around to it...and I'd love to have 'em on my
	500's.

	I've seen a few come loose though. Especially a couple of years
	ago when they became more common place. Personally I'd steer clear
	of bolt on weights unless there's a way of welding tabs or
	something to stop it from vibrating loose. Shrink fit ones are a
	bit suspect too.

	Best thing to do is to ring a few suppliers and tell them of your
	concerns about having them come loose. They'll give you the
	reasons why theirs is the best and you can make up your own mind.
	You'll often see ads that have big name riders using brand XYZ
	weight...Bet they're welded on solid.

	I'll never forget seeing a mate by the side of the trail after
	the flywheel let go on his CR250. Stuffed engine case, side cover
	crank shaft and flywheel....Ever seen a grown 220lb man with fists
	like water melons crying like a baby?

	Don't let me put you off though. Just be careful....or buy a big 
	4 stroke. ;-)

	Cheers
	George C.
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:20:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
> ************************************************************************
> *** Caution, some filth may follow ;-) The following article contains ***
> *** certain references which may be interpreted as being filthy and   ***
> *** amazingly perverse.  It may offend some readers, husbands, wifes, ***

It's a damn good thing that I read this whilst the wife and kids were in
bed.  The cat, being a cat, couldn't care less.  :-)

> A good riding buddy recently bought a new XR600 and over the last month or
> so we've been doing a bit of work on it to make it a competitive race
> mount. We concentrated mainly on making go faster without sacrificing
> reliability and we think we've found a cure for the gearbox gremlins.

Sounds pretty impressive.  Tell me though, what kind of racing is he using
this bike for?  It seems that this would have to be open desert to even
come close to making use of that power.  Scott Summers runs a stock engine
on his XR, but most of his riding is in the woods.  Scott also uses up 5-6
XR600s each year.  It would take a team of mechanics to build trick XRs for
that guy.  

> boost over stock, but timing and overlap are close to stock).  We were 
> surprised that there was so little clearance and it meant we had to do 
> something. The choices were to either recess the valves deeper into the 
> valve seats or fly cut valve reliefs into the piston. 

Another alternative would have been to insert an extra base gasket.  The
only drawback is a little loss in compression. 

> If you have some cash sitting around, spend it on these mods. You'll never
> believe the difference. I want one.

If I had the time and cash, I just might.  If I just had the cash, I'd
probably buy a new Husaberg.  :-)  Did he do anything to lighten up the
bike?  I've heard the the XRs are unwieldy fat pigs in tight woods.

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:44:08 GMT

jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:

Jeff and George, talking about a MAJOR FAST XR600, finally leads to:

>If I had the time and cash, I just might.  If I just had the cash, I'd
>probably buy a new Husaberg.  :-)  Did he do anything to lighten up the
>bike?  I've heard the the XRs are unwieldy fat pigs in tight woods.


Now Jeff, how can you say that... Scott Summers seems to have no problems 
at all... course, he's bigger than Hulk Hogan...:)

>We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.

We also get sore because we stop riding... at least, that's what I found out 
when I went riding for the first time in 4 YEARS this weekend... it's good to be back!!

Dave
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| Communications Systems Research Group |  a full tank of gas, half a pack of |
| University of Saskatchewan		|  cigarettes, it's dark, and we're   |
| Saskatoon, Canada			|  wearing sunglasses."  "Hit it."    |
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