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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:14:30 GMT

Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu> wrote: 
->After reading about masculine gay men looking for men like them and
->all the bitching and screaming about their attitudes, etc.  I have
->a question for the gaynet world.
->
->Why is it that gay people in general, look at masculine gay men
->that don't fit the stereotype as guys who are not gay or not
->being themselves?  Is there a brochure or a guide on how to dress
->and/or act gay?  Are there organizations where we have to join in
->to be a part of the gay community?  I've always wondered about
->these questions all these years since I seem to just don't fit
->in the gay community even though I *am*, in fact, 100% gay.

this is as valid a question as if i had asked you whether you've been
a moron all your life, or is this more of a recent development?

we all know what the stereotypes are.  we all know that many of us
don't fit those stereotypes.  what people are picking on is the fact
that some folks feel the need to promote themselves as something
they're simply not: "straight acting."

->I've been going to the bars since the early 80's, I'm comfortable
->about my homosexual being, but I still feel as though I'm actually
->not part of the "gay community".  Is it because I'm a cute, masculine,
->Filipino guy that dress like a normal straight boy, ...

describing yourself in "normal straight boy " terms ... that's
probably the reason you feel excluded.  you sound jealous of
Asian-madame-butterfly-lookalike-bottom-queen ... he seems to be
getting the attention.  maybe you could learn something from madame. 

->Maybe I'm scaring the hell out all Americans, black and white, since
->they just can't accept the fact that I'm Asian, I'm masculine,
->I don't camp, I dance very well, but I don't dress to impress.

unlikely.  more likely: your blindness to your own self is astounding
all Americans (black, white, asian, ...) within a stone's throw.

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug19.215833.10537
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <2A92B6EB.7884@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>>sorry, if you eat "chicken and fish and stuff" you are NOT a
>>vegetarian!  vegetarians do not eat meat.  period.
>Oh, yes, this gets into all kinds of fun stuff: "No, I'm a
>vegetarian...I'll have that fish dish instead..."  Gurgle...

Or my favourite, from a waiter: "oh, you're vegetarian? Then you'd
probably love the broiled salmon." Argh! I'd vomit if you tried to
feed me a slab of dead fish.

>We need proper names for these people

let me tell you the one about gay vs. queer..

If you're actually keeping score - here's my rule. It's very simple.
If it wiggled, I won't eat it.

I'm serious.
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Personal for Tim
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:39:07 GMT

In article <2edc023T1ebD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> nih00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com () writes:
>If your name isn't Tim hit "n" now.
>
>Tim, if you are finally settled in please send 
>me mail.  Thanks

Well, my name is Tim, but I have no idea why I should be settled in.
:-)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Powell's Bookstore
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 10:21:01 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.085606.5274@quantime.co.uk>
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>If I can't get it in my mouth, it's unfeasibly large.

Beloved, you do *not* expect us, I hope, to believe
that 8that* mouth has met its match. :-)

>"Never eat anything bigger than your head."

In one gulp, maybe.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug21.143953.7693
Distribution: world,local
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marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes:
>I find the arguments about gay symbols in this thread unusual.
>If IM (or whomever) sell freedom rings, pink triangles, or
>*whatever*, they do us queers a service, regardless of WHO
>makes money at it. 

>After all, if a het person buys the stuff 'cause he thinks it's
>"pretty", who knows what kind of dialogue might come of a GLBO*
>person recognizing it?

>ME: "I noticed the pink triangle on your bag."
>HIM: "Yeah. I like it."
>ME: "To some people, it symbolizes gay pride."
>HIM: "Oh? I didn't know that..." or "Hmmm. I ain't no fag." or
>     any number of comments.

>Gee. Those gay people have symbols? What a concept.


	This is only true iff (if and only if) the symbolism remains
intact.  There was a time when we used earrings as a visible
manifestation of either being a gay man or supporting gay rights.
That doesn't apply today because everyone is doing it.

	The pink triangle has a history behind it and so it is
in some way "protected" from being watered down to some degree.
Something like the Freedom Rings though, can easily be co-opted
into the mainstream bereft of meaning because it is eyecatching,
and we as a community are loathe to require those would borrow
it and other symbols for whatever enterpreneurial means to
visibly carry along the symbolism with the article.  We can't
stop it from happening, but we can call tot he carpet those who do.

	There will always be people who remain ignorant of the
symbolism and they will wear the symbol cluelessly.  And as Steve
pointed out, they'll receive a microwave education.  And it could
be that they would beomce enlightened as a result of it.  But that
isn't the sole purpose of the symbol - to sneak it in there were
unsuspecting folks will be thought of as gay, like some band of
sociological terrorists.  

	We either claim it as a symbol or we don't.  When we allow people
to co-opt it without recognizing what it stands for, we are saying "well
it doesn't mean that much to me/us anyway."  Perhaps that really is
the case for most of us.  For myself, I feel that we allow our oppressors
too much direction over us as it is.  Giving it away doesn't do us any good.

BBC
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:22:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



Moved this discussion to "Redefining Masculinity" in order to keep track
of the posts.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:30:06 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <15761@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
writes:

>(A written introduction to me? No way, I always let somebody else
>introduce me to people I don't know.)

>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>As long as we're on this Cole Porter kick, I'll close with 
>>his French lyrics to "Find Me a Primitive Man" 

>This line is so...

>>   Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.

>cheezy. I mean, gawd, 'for my central heating' ! It's almost painful.

You must not be doing it right.  Come on over, I'll show you
how to regulate your central heating.

<> It is not true that life is one damn thing after another -- 
<> it's one damn thing over and over.
<> -- Edna St. Vincent Millay
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: The Joys of Strip Clubs
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:41:15 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.210231.16117@u.washington.edu>, exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:

  [.....]

 pant, pant, pant

Great story - thanks!

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: masculinity and femininity, round 4
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:48:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug12.194802.15943
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

sometimes the net works. Thanks, Arnold - I think I now understand
what you are saying. I learned something I did not know two weeks ago.
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From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: news from colorado
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:56:20 GMT

gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
: Hooray? 56% against to 38% for gets hooray?
: 
: I'm solidly disgusted that it isn't more like 99% against to 1% for.
: We're talking about a measure that's clearly meant to prevent us from
: having basic rights thjat every other citizen has. 
: 
: Like somebody on the net said, I'm tired of politely asking for my rights from
: someone who had no right to take them away in the first place. (My thanks to
: whoever said that, it's my feelings exactly.)
: 

Oh, excuse me for having optimism that the thing just might not pass, Tom.


Kathy
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:23:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug19.132341.24163
Distribution: world,local
Organization: insert anything here

stevenz@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

	T H A N K   Y O U !!!

	Sometimes I wonder if I missed an important English class
in grammar school...

BBC
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:10:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug21.051033.29857
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Heaven is the cheesy disco in the Montrose in Houston.

Heaven is the only "gay bar" type place in Houston that allows you in
if you are under 21. Heaven is the place I tried to get the courage to
go to, for months. I still have not gone to Heaven.

Heaven is the place Paul Broussard knew about. Heaven is the place
that because Paul knew about it, a roving pack of 12 testosterone
poisoned boys bashed his head in with baseball bats and 2x4s. Heaven
is the place that helped form Queer Nation / Houston.
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:00:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



(fjvwing)
/And what else motivates 'flamboyant gays (*)' according to you? Or is this 
/all?  Or might there be more you know nothing about?

Hmm. . . Well, my best shot at an answer.

I view drag & leather as forms of sexual fantasy & escapism.  There's 
nothing wrong with it; (as such), and if you look in the bedrooms of straight 
America you'll find that some of our "family values Republicans" are engaged 
in some of the same things. It's a way to enhance sex, and there's
nothing wrong with it. 
However, it is not an "identity" that someone "really is"; it is a sexual 
escape.  I have been in leather bars where guys dress as cops, or drill 
sergeants, or whatever.  They're not really any of these things; it's just
a tool to enhance the moment; sexual role-acting.






(fjvwing)
/Sorry you can't handle FJ-speak, I play with words sometimes.
/Refrase: "Do you believe that 'flamboyant gays (*)' act 'like that' totally 
/or at least mainly for shock value?


For the previous reasons:  sexual escape, shock value, pure fun of it.
But I don't believe that it is an integral part of the personality.

I do not consider nelly behavior to be the person's natural personality.  
In my opinion, it is practiced, script-like behavior that is no more natural 
than overly macho, swaggering, beer-drinking behavior that many men exhibit.

I have watched some of gay friends actually practicing the nelly 
behavior, trying to get the lines right, because there is a comic premium 
on being able to do it really well.  Check out "Men on Film" from the 
TV comedy show, "In Living Color"; the copycats for that are endless.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GRANDPA WALTON: Is he gay?  Help please....
Date: 19 Aug 1992 11:38:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug19.180223.7865@tc.cornell.edu> 
shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.160716.701@ecst.csuchico.edu> 
> dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:
> >Well I seem to recall that the actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa
> >Zeb Walton, has come out and proclaimed he is gay. Is this fact
> >or urban legend?
>
> I have no idea whether or not he was (I believe he's deceased),
> but he surely was a pinko, and, I believe, a CPUSA member.  He
> used to be involved with labor organizing and he hung out with
> Woody Guthrie.  A model for us all, to be sure.

Will Geer died in 1978.  He was indeed a pinko and made several
trips to the Soviet Union in the 1930s.  He was hauled before
HUAC in 1951 (I think) and was blacklisted.  During his blacklisted
years (1951 to 1965 or so), he opened an outdoor theater in Topanga 
Canyon (Theatrum Botanicum, I believe it's called).  Geer was a
*notorious* chicken hawk, and I believe he did finally come out.

Arne

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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 16:19:05 GMT

In article <l959e3INN77i@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> That's one way of looking at it.  Many electronic communities (soc.bi,
>> the Alternates list, many bulletin board systems) disagree.  So do many
>> flesh-n-blood discussion groups.
>The soc.bi regulars periodically post introductory autobiographical
>essays for the benefit of people who've just started reading the 
>newsgroup?

No, but they certainly do speak autobiographically at the drop of a hat.
And Alternates, as well as many BBS systems, requires bios, and archives
them for new readers so they don't have to be reposted constantly.
 
>Yes, a kill file is looking more attractive all the time.

Ditto.
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From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Dazza Primm)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:54:18 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>I try to picture someone thinking this of me, so evil, so cold.
YOu are netiehr evil, or cold, but a very nice, warm person.

>I think I need a hug.
>							FJ!!
Hugs FJ several times, very tightly....

Daz.
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.080920.24515
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <92230.231253IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa 
N.T. Murphy) writes:
>damn.  i'm babbling.  i'm sorry.  goddammitall, IT ISN'T FAIR!

don't be sorry - your "babbling" is a very effective mode of expression.

Me, I have no idea what to say.

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From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:19:54 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug18.161242.14267@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.095854.27119@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>>In article <ROBERTL.92Aug17193813@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
>>robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:
>>
>>>- Bob (enjoying the thought that as a defecting Republican I will be
>>>doing double damage to Georgie this November)
>>
>>Honey, that's not a defect, that's a Good Idea.  I hope
>>millions of Republicans will join you.
>
>Well, I certainly have!  Now I just have to register so my vote
>will count (just moved--don't nag).
>
Count me in as a liberal Republican who's crossing over for the first
time in 12 years.  Yet, when I register tomorrow, suddenly Jesse Helms
becomes my senator.  Now, that I find offensive!

Peace




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From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:40:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod) strains unsuccessfully:
>
>And Arne, ...
>next time, please use plastic  
>hangers, dear.  The rust has gone from your clothes, through your skin and to  
>your heart.  I suppose the cost for being a bitch is rough.
>
Given Joan Crawford's famous dictum, I'd guess he uses wooden or padded
silk hangers instead.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:58:54 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

[Sorry, Arnold, but I'll be brief.]

In article <1992Aug14.172347.3647@microsoft.com>,
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> Perhaps is because those individuals who propagate stereotypes
> make it hard for the group as a whole to be accepted.

So stop propagating, Bob.
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and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: st. cole porter
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:44:14 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug14.161026.24306@hemlock.cray.com>,
steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) cites
many ingenious bowdlerisations, including:
> "I Hate Men" from Kiss Me Kate includes:
>    Then ever marry one of them I'd rest a virgin rather
                                            ^^^^^^
>    For husbands are a (boring?) lot, and often quite a bother
>    Of course I'm rather glad that mother *had* to marry father
>    Oh I hate men!
> The movie version changed this:
>    Of course I'm rather glad that mother *deigned* to marry father...
> ...
> In Carouse[l], Arminy ("Been married a year") sings of her ordeal:
>     The clock just ticks your life away
>     There's no relief in sight
>     It's cookin' and scrubbin' and sewin' all day
>     And god-knows-whattin' all night
> In the movie version, Arminy sang:
>     ...And not much sleepin' at night

(which gets the message across more subtly, I think.)

From memory, the part of the soliloquy:
    And I'm damned if he'll marry the boss's daughter,
    A skinny-lipped virgin with blood like water
became:
    And I'm hanged if he'll marry the boss's daughter,
    A skinny-lipped *lady* with blood like water

[I can't resist continuing:
    Who'll give him a peck and call it a kiss
    And look at his eyes through a lorgnette -
    Say, why am I takin' on like this?
    My kid ain't even been born yet!

    I can see him when he's seventeen or so,
    And starting in to go
    With a girl.
    I can give him lots of pointers, very sound,
    On the way to get round
    Any girl.
    I can tell him - Wait a minute!  Could it be?
    What the - ?  What if *he*
    Is a girl?
All very sexist, but in character.]

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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug20.063221.4793@reed.edu>,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> ObMotss - I just went to a garage sale and bought 4 tuning forks. I
> have no idea what key they are in.

Ask Marc Frajola.  Seriously.
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like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
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From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:50:45 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
: []
: I think they're plenty evil.  I've been shocked by the
: hate level in Houston this week.  It used to be that
: they were worthy opponents;  now, they're evil buffoons
: (Steven King's "It").  Was anyone else unnerved by
: Dan Quayle's Nazi salutes from the podium last night?
: 
Yes!  But I didn't see him on the podium. He also did it
from the audience when Bush was speaking. Maybe (?) was 
right the other day when he posted that we should be sure
to keep our passports up to date. 

: Actually, I think it's important to distinguish between
: the Republican leadership and the average Republican.
: Their leadership has completely sold them out to the
: radical Christian right.  What was once the party of
: Barry Goldwater has become the party of Pat Robertson.
: How else can you explain the platform plank calling
: for a Constitutional amendment banning abortion, when
: 55% of the delegates to the convention are pro-choice?
: How else can you explain Dan Quayle's appearance on the
: ticket when he has an approval rating among Republicans
: of *11%*?  

I've heard reports that Goldwater has been highly critical
of the direction the party has gone of late, especially in
the area of individual freedom. (Gads, am I agreeing with
something Goldwater said?) The current party leadership
makes Goldwater look like a moderate, and Nixon a liberal.


Kathy

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