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From: jmbeesle@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MICHAEL BEESLEY)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Originator: jmbeesle@c00351-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmbeesle@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MICHAEL BEESLEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:05:02 GMT


Something all you happy Beeta downloaders should realize:

Use the OS/2 2.1 beta after March 31, 1993 and you are subject to
    prosecution by IBM for illegally using copyrighted code.

The NT CD-ROM deal from Microsoft (in case some of you can't 
spell it :-)  allows you rights to the GA Level ship code and a free 
copy when it ships.  There is a large difference between the two
deals.
                               -Jim.
From: slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Can you cut/paste DOS stuff in OS/2?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:37:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1993Jan24.163244.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> singer@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>I have been following the interesting debates on OS/2 vs Windows here in 
>preparation for buying a new 486 system. One comes with Windows and the other
>with OS/2. I use Word Perfect (DOS), MaxThink (DOS), Magellan (DOS) and am
>about to start using Papyrus. In using Papyrus (a powerful bibliography
>paste between these different applications in OS/2. Has anybody tried this? I
>undertand it can be done in W3.1, but can it be done, and as easily, in 
>OS/2? (I really want to buy OS/2, so I hope the answer is positive). -- 

Yes, this can be done, and very easily.  You merely mark the text (using the
mouse), and copy it to the clipboard, and go to your target app, and position[
your cursor and hit paste.

The cut/paste function acts as a very fast typer, and "types" all the data
you cut/copied into the target app.

You can also cut/copy/paste from Commumications Manager sessions (such as
3270 terminal emulators and AS/400 sessions) as well as pasting to them.

In all, the cut/copy/paste support is excellent in OS/2 2.0

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From: os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.)
Subject: Re: NT dreams -- was Re: Upset about IBM misinformation.
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:10:19 GMT

In <pathak-270193124754@virtual.mitre.org> pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak) writes:

>However, there are a large number of non-technical users who have mips
>boxes because they need the features *NIX provides.  Since NT will provides
>these features AND allow them to run mainstream applications, NT will be
>very attractive to this segment of users.  Personally, I think that this
>will be the only area that NT will a big impact in its first year.  People
>will be reluctant to more applications off of mission-critical servers on
>to an untested OS and the people running Windows 3.1 will balk at the
>memory and disk requirements (just like they are balking about OS/2 now).

If they need the features that Unix provides, why don't they just get Unix?
The hardware requirements of NT and Unix are close to the same.  Also, let's
not forget that, even though OS/2's resource requirements are high, they are
nowhere near as high as what NT's have been spec'd at.

Cheers,
Q
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: "Slick Willy" Gates
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:04:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.224129.63028@cc.usu.edu> sl1yn@riverheights.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry) writes:
>
>
>  Nothing to say here.
>  I just wanted to keep the subject line alive.  :-)
>
>  But I do think comparing Gates to Slick Willy goes a little too
>far.  Gates can't keep himself from lying about anything concerned
>with his business.  Slick can't keep himslef from lying about everything.
>
>
> 

Interesting coming from a guy who works for a company that told users
that VMS would rule the world someday...  Seems kinda slick to me!  Or
was that SICK?  :-)

	-Phil
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: AmiPro for OS/2 (was Re:
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:06:10 -0500

On Wednesday, 01-25-93, Yamanari wrote to All  
concerning "AmiPro for OS/2 (was Re::" 
 
Y>  Big whoo.  In other words, "Workplace Shell Aware" 
Y>  is the new OS/2-speak for applications that support the 
Y>  OS/2 equivalent of drag and drop.  A buzzword with very limited 
 
No, WPS aware also means a lot more.  Like dragging a *piece* of  
your document onto the printer, or embedding (SOM > OLE) AMI data 
in other containers, etc. 
 
       Kurt 
 
 * KWQ/2 1.0C *
From: rhaig@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Robert Haig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Stacker for OS/2
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:56:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu

> PS> a copy of the BETA yet.  I wouldn't expect it to see the light of
>day
> PS> until June or July.
While doing OS2 support last fall I spoke with several people who were beta 
testing stacker for OS2.

It would appear that it indeed has seen the light of day.

--
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Technician/Network Admin	|	 What does this switch do again?"
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: roland@margaret (David A. Braun)
Subject: PAS-16 SOUND and SCSI Drivers
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:59:53 GMT

Could someone either post these drivers hobbes -or- put them in  
comp.binaries.os2... I NEED drivers... as far as I am concerned, PAS-16  
compatibility with Sound Blaster was a lie because it doesn't work when I try  
to use the SB drivers which came with the OS/2 BETA (of course I know that that  
is because the Media Vision Driver is not loaded... but if it doesn't work  
where a SB works, IT ISN'T COMPATIBLE).  What about the SCSI CD-ROM support  
that they lied about, I don't see my CD-ROM working... I WANT DRIVERS OR I AM  
GOING TO HAVE TO GET RID OF THIS PAS-16 AND GET A SB PRO.

<roland>
From: chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: CrossPosting!!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:08:22 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu


Could people stop cross posting bewteen here & mswindows?  I want to
read OS/2 articles, not misc. flames cross posted to win groups &
os/2 groups.  

I jumped on Brian Sturgill about posting his windows rabble in here,
but negelected to look at the newsgroup line.  Seems he likes to cross
post most of what he says, so when I tell him to stop with the worthless
anti-Ibm articles in an OS/2 grp, I get lots o mail about
"It IS a windows group...", and realize (and am told), he crossposted.
Admittedly, I should have looked at newsgroups:.

Please stop cross posting worthless articles in here people.  If
you want to harass OS/2, please do it with your cronies in an
MSWin grp.  Those of you who say "I like to hear NT info," I suggest
you hang out on a Microsoft windows group -- this ain't nt.info.

At the least please dont cross post -- we end up getting double
the net traffic that way ... (every response is more than likely
posted 2 places...).


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From: chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: The sin of MicroSoft
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:14:20 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <1993Jan22.140623.12285@choate.edu> roland@margaret (David A. Braun) writes:

>In article <93015.153643ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
[ Stuff about 512mb seg limit deleted]

>Since when? As far as I heard, the segments were 4 gig...

><roland>

Roland, the maximum size a memory object can be under OS2 2.0 is
512 MB, *NOT* 4gb.  Max size of a segment on a 386 *IS* 4gb,
but, the operating system will only allow 512megs max per mem
object......  If you don't believe me, its thoroughly documented
in Redbook vol 1, which is available from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Re: Microsoft confusing the public??
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:02:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.132405.21754@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, cscks@luxury.latrobe.edu.au (Kamal Shaker.) writes:
|> In 'The Age' today, a daily newspaper, the compter section had an article
|> by Charles Wright, who for the last year or so has been telling us how
|> good windows is and how good NT will be. Never mentioning OS/2 except
|> for the occasional, 'it takes up almost as much space as OS/2' or something
|> similar. Today, be wrote an article about how microsoft is confusing the
|> customers by offering too many choices that overlap in the markets they're
|> aiming for. He then goes on to say that with NT microsoft may have bitten 
|> off more than they can chew. 
|> 
|> Any comments???

He's absoultely right.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rom@cci632.cci.com (Rudynell S. Millian)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:40:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.192423.11114@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.190356.12915@cci632.cci.com> rom@cci632.cci.com (Rudynell S. Millian) writes:
>>
>>	Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the 
>>demonstration version.
>
>    Did you typo here?  I can't recall _ever_ hearing _anyone_, even
>the most rabid MS-basher, claim that Windows NT required 36MB
>to run.
>
>				-Phil
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>Note:  Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.

	Well Phil, you saw it here first. Like I pointed out in the original
post, that was an excerpt from "Computer Reseller News", no typos. Feel free to 
verify.

R. Millian
From: 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmiPro for OS/2 (was Re: Impressions of OS/2 2.1 Beta)
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:47:42 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan22.141835.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>>
>> I think if AmiPro will be a PM program it should create docs with their own
>> icon and perhaps comments, history and what else fits into 64k of extended
>> attributes.
> 
> I think Ami Pro for PM will be a straight port of the Windows version, and
> will languish on version 3 while Lotus cranks out versions 5 and beyond
> for Windows.
> 
> That is, if Lotus ever does release a PM version.  They certainly won't
> take advantage of OS/2 EAs, long file names, or threading, or any of the
> good stuff OS/2 has.
> 
> P.S.: Where is Stacker OS/2 now?  Talk about vaporware....
> -- 
> Greg Franklin
> f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu

	This is the kind of stupidity that really annoys me.  It reminds
me much of the days when I was into Windows 3.0 when everyone else
laughed because  "windows was so slow, no one is going to make apps for
that slow pretty dos shell!"
	
	Stacker is in beta.  There are users in this echo who are beta
testing it.  
	AmiPro may be indeed more of a port than a rewrite but I would
be willing to bet that it will support long file names and EA's (especially
since Lotus told me so).

							-Brad

p.s. learn about what you speak of before you rant in an advocacy group..
sheesh!
From: 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmiPro for OS/2 (was Re: Impressions of OS/2 2.1 Beta)
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:55:58 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <C1BvyF.Fq4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
> 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>>> I think Ami Pro for PM will be a straight port of the Windows version, and
>>> will languish on version 3 while Lotus cranks out versions 5 and beyond
>>> for Windows.
>>> 
>>> That is, if Lotus ever does release a PM version.  They certainly won't
>>> take advantage of OS/2 EAs, long file names, or threading, or any of the
>>> good stuff OS/2 has.
>>> 
>>> P.S.: Where is Stacker OS/2 now?  Talk about vaporware....
>>> -- 
>>> Greg Franklin
>>> f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu
> 
>>	This is the kind of stupidity that really annoys me.  It reminds
>>me much of the days when I was into Windows 3.0 when everyone else
>>laughed because  "windows was so slow, no one is going to make apps for
>>that slow pretty dos shell!"
>>	
>>	Stacker is in beta.  There are users in this echo who are beta
>>testing it.  
>>	AmiPro may be indeed more of a port than a rewrite but I would
>>be willing to bet that it will support long file names and EA's (especially
>>since Lotus told me so).
> 
>>							-Brad
> 
>>p.s. learn about what you speak of before you rant in an advocacy group..
>>sheesh!
> 
> I disagree with much of the first post, but the next post is a little flawed
> too. Brad, I do not know about your specific experience, but the computer
> industry in general considered Windows to be a revolution in computing from the
> outset. Go look through the old magazines and newspapers, and how many 
> developers were committed to it. PCWorld, for example, was already pretty much
> declaring Windows the successor to DOS when it just came out.
> 
	I agree
	The compter industry did consider Windows 3.0 a revolution.  But
the BBS users and other computer "hackers" which is what we see mainly on
the Usenet consider Windows a toy and a pretty "Dos shell for people who
couldn't handle DOS". I knew how to use DOS very well but I simply LIKED
windows.  When I requested Windows areas or talked about graphics programs
coming out for Windows I get much the same response as the original poster
just did about Amipro. 

						-Brad




Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Subject: os2 & winpuke conference
Organization: Watch the Skies
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:56:04 GMT

just saw an airplane flying over the san jose convention center with a
banner for os2.
-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmiPro for OS/2 (was Re: Impressions of OS/2 2.1 Beta)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:09:36 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan25.180453.18862@wam.umd.edu>, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
> In article <2b63c878@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org> Craig_Swanson@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>>I personally asked the product manager for Ami Pro if it would use
>>Mirrors and his reply was that it would not.  Workplace Shell aware
>>means that it implements drag-and-drop functionality for things like
>>printing and file loading.  For example, as I recall you can drag a
>>document onto the printer and it will be printed by Ami Pro.

The bitching and whining starts:
> 
> 
> 	Big whoo.  In other words, "Workplace Shell Aware"
> 	is the new OS/2-speak for applications that support the
> 	OS/2 equivalent of drag and drop.  A buzzword with very limited
> 	usefulness. 
> 
> 	<It's the same under Win31.  I think I've printed this way maybe 
> 	once under Windows.  Might be nice as an option, but it's really
> 	not a big deal.  Plus, I don't honestly see how that is a real
> 	"feature".. It must take, what, 5 minutes to add it?>

Well, Yamanari is now lead contender for the Second Annual Brian Sturgill
Award.  Drag 'n drop is 'a buzzword with very limited usefulness' in OS/2,
but in Windows it 'might be nice as an option.'

And yes, I think I can vouch for the Lotus programmers, it did take more
than five man minutes to add...
> 
> 
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From: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Beta-zoid (wuz Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:39:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
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In article <1993Jan24.134816.12997@ludd.luth.se> bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:
|In <strobl.727876597@gmd.de> strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) writes:
|>The current NT prerelease doesn't require a CD-ROM, either. If you
|>have ftp access, you'll most probably have temporary access to a
|>Unix workstation with a CD drive, too. Mount the CD, ftp the contents
|
|Eh, what? I do? This isn't meant to be any kind of bashing of anything,
|but I do wonder about your conclusion. I guess there probably y are
|a few workstations with CD drives here on the campus, maybe, but I
|certainly don't know where or how to get to them, if they exist.

I don't know where I can find a CD-ROM either.  I may be able to
search one out, but they certainly are not common here.  Even if I
did have one available, I would have to copy everything to floppy to
bring it home.  Is there a procedure to load NT from floppy?

Another point.  Has MS given permission for anyone to load up NT.  It
was my impression that the $69 for the CD-ROM was a license to use the
NT-Beta.  Wouldn't indiscriminant copying violate MS's license?
   -- Bruce


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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:12:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.205102.4819@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.200502.2638@ncsu.edu> jmbeesle@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MICHAEL BEESLEY) writes:
>>
>>Something all you happy Beeta downloaders should realize:
>>
>>Use the OS/2 2.1 beta after March 31, 1993 and you are subject to
>>    prosecution by IBM for illegally using copyrighted code.
>>
>>The NT CD-ROM deal from Microsoft (in case some of you can't 
>>spell it :-)  allows you rights to the GA Level ship code and a free 
>>copy when it ships.  There is a large difference between the two
>>deals.
>
>Yeah, there is a difference:  The $69 ($80+ after shipping) for NT is a whole
>lot more expensive than the $0 that you pay for the 2.1 Beta.

Well, not everyone has to pay $69 (though the shipping fee, for all four
mailings via second day air (four, that is, if you got the July and
October releases already and will get the next beta and, presumably, the
final version) is the same $20).  If you beta'd Windoze 3.1 (as I did)
or are/were part of the MS development service, it was $29.  I figured
that $49 total for the final version of NT was well worth the risk.  (So
far, judging by the October beta, it may well be a great deal.).

That one can get the OS/2 beta for zero dollars presumes that one has
ftp access and a lot of time on his hands (after getting the service
pack that way (fewer disks!), I figure I'll just wait until 2.1 is
released.  .

>
>John W. Linville

>P.S.  With 2.1, I can actually run more than 8 programs at one time without
>getting an 'out of memory' error, unlike what NT was (un)able to do for me.
>
>
Hmm, haven't tried to run more than five, I think , so far under NT.
I'll have to give it a try and see what happens.  (I sort miss the
"help/about" dialog box in win 3.1 in which you were told something
about system resources; NT just tells me what my total physical memory
is (or so it seems...); no hint as to 'how much is left').>
>
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