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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: MorphPlus Used On Quantum Leap
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:39:10 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Nov17.023440.1998@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mjm2789@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.J. Maslow) writes:
>Anyone who happened to be watching the NFL Monday night game might have seen that an Amiga was used in a commercial to
>help out with high school football plays, etc.  If you looked close at the monitor it was either a 1084 or 1084s, because
>the fron plate was down, BUT, they covered up the model number with a piece of Black tape....  Why???  were they afraid
>of the flack they might receive from the Non-Amiga world????   All i can ask is why...  :(
>
>			Mark

Likewise where I work, they have a A2000 that they added a toaster board to.
There is a sticker over the Amiga2000 plate and the 1084s plate...I asked
why....They said that the amiga makes them look cheap....jeeze... 

Jim
   
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           Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:58:47 GMT

In article <al158305.721981235@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:

>   Yes, but not all platforms have the finest implementation of TeX
>like the Amiga does. In case you've forgotten, AmigaTeX is one of, if
>not THE, finest implementation of TeX written.

	Of course, everything on the Amiga is always to best of its kind,
better than sliced bread in fact... Gimme a break, I'm pretty sure you 
never tried any other port on any other plateform... How can I take your
arguement seriously?
	
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: A4000 pictures
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:32:33 GMT


>However, bad points become apparrent...
>
>1> If the mouse/stick ports are going to be on the side, it seems really 
>   STUPID to put the friggin' keyboard connector on the BACK!! WHY!?!?!?
>   Just because IBM does it?            **SIGH**.
>   I liked the k'board connector on the front... hope they included a longer
>   cord.
>

Putting the keyboard connector on the back is perfect. Why? Because you can 
use those nice computer tables were the keyboard is kind of under the 
computer(know what I mean?), the cord goes behind the table. If you 
absolutly must have the cord on the front you could always turn your 
computer around but then you would have problems with your floppy drives(
Joke).

Hans C Sander 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ccb8m@poplar.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: Stupid stickers on a OPEN system!!!
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.133321.1738@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>I got my 4000 just yesterday...all was right in the world.  I was gonna
>take a look inside the pup, and install my SCSI board while i was there. As
>I spun the machine around I noticed that there is a STICKER over the top
>back right hand screw with some crap on it about voiding my warranty!!!!!
>This is ridiclous!!!!..Well I got over it, left the machine shut and began
>using it for a while..........(time passes...over night to be exact.)....came
>back into the room this morning and it smelled a bit like burning dust. I
>checked out the system...seemedto boot fine. hmmmmm??!...well I reached up to
>move my monitor over a bit and nearly BURNED myself on the case!  After
>further inspection I realized the machine was so quiet cause the fan hasn't
>run since i got it.  The problem is probably a loose wire, so i could just
>check that out right???? NO WAY!!...can't open the machine cause of that
>
>Jim
>
>A4000 owner...sort uh.

Use a hair dryer on the sticker.  After 30-60 secs you should be able to peel
off the label, place it sticky side up and then put it back on again with
no one the wiser...  (Be careful when initially peeling it to not bend a
corner line)

Charles
From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:13:48 GMT
Organization: a2i network

In article <4oXguB1w165w@bluemoon.use.com> adrake@bluemoon.use.com (Andy Drake) writes:
>Has anyone seen Commodore booth at Comdex or gotten any information about 
>what they are showing? I thought that the A1200 was to be shown there with 
>general introduction later, but noone seems to know much at this point. 
>Comments?
>

Commodore's booth at Comdex was, ahem, modest. It was nice looking that's
for sure, but rather small (same size as last years). They had a couple
of Amiga 1200s running, and some 4000s and 3000s. I don't recall
seeing an CDTV units at all. THe booth was fairly busy, but right across
the aisle was the IBM "Ultramedia" booth with racks and racks of
expensive looking video gear and a custom tape of Siskel and Ebert talking
up IBM.

The CA booth had a number of sections dedicated towards different apps,
including Sunrize, Opalvision, GVP and some Kiosk company. All in all, 
rather low key. 

Now compare this to the Atari booth which was about 3 times the size, loaded
with Falcons and TT machines, all showing zippy software. It made Atari
appear much more "alive" than Commodore. Fortunatly they were in 
different halls. 

Mike

P.S. I heard that the official pronounciation of PCMCIA has been
standardized to "Picky-Micky".



-- 
"Friends don't let friends vote Democratic"

Mike Smithwick - mike@rahul.net
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.195847.14111@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>In article <al158305.721981235@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>
>>   Yes, but not all platforms have the finest implementation of TeX
>>like the Amiga does. In case you've forgotten, AmigaTeX is one of, if
>>not THE, finest implementation of TeX written.
>
>	Of course, everything on the Amiga is always to best of its kind,
>better than sliced bread in fact... Gimme a break, I'm pretty sure you 
>never tried any other port on any other plateform... How can I take your
>arguement seriously?

Well I have tried most of them. AmigaTeX (and NeXT TeX by the same person)
is most definitely one of the best implementations around. There is an
interesting Windows' program called Scientific Word which has great potential.
It is a graphical interface to LaTeX. However, anyone who already knows TeX/
LaTeX would be better off with AmigaTeX or NeXT TeX. TeXtures for the Mac is
also pretty nice.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:22:48 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Nov19.195847.14111@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>	Of course, everything on the Amiga is always to best of its kind,
>better than sliced bread in fact... Gimme a break, I'm pretty sure you 
>never tried any other port on any other plateform... How can I take your
>arguement seriously?

	Simple:  Because it's not a joke.  He's right.  The NeXT and
Amiga versions of TeX are widely considered to be the best versions of
TeX available for any system.  Radical Eye Software, or at least a
developer therein, is responsible for doing the NeXT version, and RES
did the Amiga version.

	And some of us HAVE used more than one or two versions on one
or two platforms.  It's not a joke.

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re:   Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:03:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.073022.9208@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 02vr@rkamiga.UUCP, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>> >* A PC is a PC even if it uses single of multiple user UNIX like SCO 
>> >  Xenix, Interactive IX and so on.
>> 
>> Then why is a 486/33 running UNIX and X11 faster than a SUN IPX?
>
>Who said that? How was the machines configurated? Were both running
>in a network?

RISC or not, the IPC CPU seems pretty low-end.  Isn't it the same one used in
the ELC?

>> Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>> 		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
>/ Tomas Pihl
>/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
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"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:45:59 GMT

In article <Bxu744.KnM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:
>Hello all.  I'm trying to shut up one of my friends...

Well, you certainly came to the right place.  :-)

>He's got a Sega Genesis and he figures that since it has a 68000 chip in it,
>that it's as good as or better than the Amiga.  He won't let me crack the
>cover on his Sega, so could someone please give me some good stats so I
>can show him what really better.

I don't know all the stats off the top of my head, but I do remember that
the Sega has a 512 color palette vs the Amiga's 4096 color palette.  Also,
the Sega allows for up to either 32 or 64 colors per screen vs the Amiga's
4096 colors in HAM mode.  You don't have to tell him that there are really
not that many games which use HAM...  :-)

The Sega is supposed to have the edge in sprites, but the Amiga's blitter
can make up for that with BOBs.  Also, the Amiga's copper allows for some
rather nifty screen effects with little to no CPU slowdown.

>I am seemingly un-impressed by Sega's graphics and sound.  I'd figure
>that for a dedicated games machine with more voices than Amiga for sound
>that it should run way better.  

Soundwise, I believe that the Sega may indeed have more voices, but they
may be more of the Atari ST and SoundBlaster variety (cheezy Casio keyboard
type voices).

>BTW, he figures that the Amiga is strictly a games machine.....So naturally
>I want to show him that the Sega is nothing but a piece of shit....

The fact that the Amiga is not strictly a games machine is the most important
difference between it and the Sega.  Ask him where the hard drives, 030 and
040 boards, Mac emulators, PC emulators, Video Toasters, and other boards
are for the Sega.  That should shut him up.

>Thanks alot, and keep up the flames...

Hey, no problem.  It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.  :-)

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>Jason L.M. Remillard			REMILLARD@ceddwntwn.lan1.umanitoba.ca
>MicroLab Assistant			REMILLD@ccu.umanitoba.ca
>University of Manitoba			REMILLD@ccm.umanitoba.ca

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Console Basher
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: 5marte_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga OS newsgroup
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:11:14 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Hello Friends,

	Doesn't anyone feel we should have an AMIGA OS group in the comp.os 
section of usenet? I do. What do you think about it?


		Felix Marte
		5marte_f@spcvxa.spc.edu
From: barham@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: I HAVE COME (please note: this post contains irrelevent drivel)
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:00:59 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

YES!  I HAVE FINALLY COME!

After three years of reading c.s.a.advocacy under a cloak of irrelevancy,
I am finally able to STRIKE OUT and make myself known upon an unsuspecting
public.  Finally I can post!!!!

Naturally I realise that with this amazing ability comes some deep, moral
obligations, these being...

1) To STOMP any MARC BARRETT posting INSTANTLY TO THE GROUND before even
   considering ANY POSSIBILITY of plausableness about anything he is
   saying (to do so would be sacrilage against the mighty c.s.a.advocacy
   masters).

2) To always uphold the name Amiga as sacred in the annals of computerdom,
   to never suffer the name F*lc*n to pass my lips, nor the dreaded
   M*c*ntr*sh!

3) To never let anyone query that any Amiga graphics mode could ever be
   even slightly inferior to any stupid PC graphics mode (yes, even to
   the point of proclaiming 320x200 in 32 colours is vastly superior
   to 1280x1024 in 256 colours if necessary)!

4) To eat Atari Falcon users for breakfast.

Thank-you for allowing me to enter your brotherhood.  I will leave now to
save your band-width, only to return with STARTLING IRRELEVENCIES,
SCINTILATING DOGMATIC DRIVEL and GROSSLY OVER-SALIVATED ENTHUSIASM!

-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxansk@garbo
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:18:03 GMT

remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:

>> [stuff deleted]
>
> I suspect that the AGA chipset will make sawdust of the Sega graphics, but
> the 'Bang-For-the-Buck' arguement that would always be used to defend the 
> Amiga can now probably be turned against it with the 4000 & 600 out....

 And then there's the Super Nintendo with hardware scaling and rotation,
I don't think there's another home system that beats it.

 Anders Skelander
From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:51:19 GMT

In <root.02sx@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>In article <sf0T9fy00WBL48Slte@andrew.cmu.edu> "Eugene M. Feinberg" <ef23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Lately, the threads in .advocacy have achieved an unparallel level of
>>uselessness.  So, in an attempt to bring some life back to this
>>newsgroup, I'll share a few quick ideas about the Dec Alpha chips and
>>the future of the Amiga.
>>
>>1)  Commodore and Dec signed some sort of agreement earlier in the year
>>
>>3)  WOC Speech by VP of Engineering at Commodore hints at future RISC machines.

W H O   N E E D S  R I S C  ? ?

According to a recent article in IEE News, Motorola is to release the 68060 
some time in '94, following it up with up to three more generations which
should see a 68000 compatable 200MIPS processor released by the end of the
decade...

This is NOT a hoax. I'll mail the article tomorrow, I'm also sending off
for more information via the IEE Reader Service...


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E.F.Pritchard                       ///
efp90@uk.ac.soton.ecs           \\\/// Amiga     A1200 Owner now with 
University of Southampton        \xx/            85Mb Hard Disk:
England.                                         I need flying lessons!
From: djkordsm@burrito.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:41:26 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis


	TOP 10 Most Wanted in Amiga Software Applications 11/23/92  
	-------------------------------------------------

I've been compiling a list of e-mail responses and things I've seen on 
the net.  Here goes, in no real particular order of rank( at least 
not until I get some more response )  :


 1) Amiga Word Perfect 5.1 
   A word processor which can generate documents with:
   *  Footnotes
   *  Tables
   *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
   *  Indices
 
 2) AGA compliant software!!!!
 
 3)  Two general precursors to all developments:
        o strict compliance with the 2.0 style guide
        o consideration for RTG compatibility
	o more professoinal look and feel

 4) o an application framework environment (Visual BASIC, Toolbook)-*note*
    TrueBasic, from the origonal creators of basic, is currently available
    for the Amiga for $15 w/full library and AmigaDos support-see AmazingAmiga
 
 5)  a word processing package w/support for structured graphics and 
     an UNLIMITED undo function. 

 
 6)  The Amiga could do with an equation editor and/or a graphical interface to
     AmigaTeX.
 
 
 7)  a word processor that can at LEAST read MS-Word/WP 5.1/AmiPro files
     ( AmiPro for AmigaDos)   
    
 8)  a professional level music scoring/notation program( along
     the lines of "Finale" for the MAC )
 
 9)  a spreadsheet w/integrated system of exporting tables easily
     to other amiga word processors 

10)  Norton Utilities equivilent
 

Please respond to me by email, or POST so I can keep this list updated!!! 

-dk
      
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* 			Nothing to see here. Everyone just move on. 
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From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:01:04 GMT
	<SUOPANKI.92Nov15004340@zombie.oulu.fi>
	<1992Nov16.125820.877@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil>
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia

>>>>> On 16 Nov 92 12:58:20 -0400, dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) said:

>>> when you do things with a computer you have to type, use mouse etc.
>> Doug> For IO bound apps.
>> 
>> I guess you use telepathy to launch a program....
>                                                        
> Doug> ray-tracing, compiling, morphing,  etc... Yes, telepathy if you like.
> 
> So you have to only think and Amiga starts to do ray-tracing,
> compiling, morphing, etc. Amazing. Maybe I should buy an Amiga too.
>
Doug> Did I say that? no... 

You said: "Yes, telepathy if you like."
Maybe you have a different definition of telepathy?

Doug> My point: A fast CPU is as only as good as the amount 
Doug> of use itgets.  You wanna argue a 486 better than a 68030, use those examples
Doug> not "fast users can type faster"

That's not what I want to argue (or have been arguing). The point was
the productivity of that particular guy and his A3000 and any IBM.
 
>> What I meant is that there must be "faster computer users" than the
>> original poster: they can type faster, launch programs faster etc. etc.
>> And if they have faster computers with good software most of them sure can
>> get more things done.
> 
> Doug> All Im saying is that your argument assumes a "faster computer user" or
> Doug> whatever the hell that means.  Stick that "fast" computer user on the a3000. 
> Doug> Is there a difference?  The a3000 got problems moving a mouse pointer? 
> 
> Sorry, my argument doesn't assume that. An average or rather slow
> computer user would be enough, but if I can throw in the fastest
> alternative, why should't I?
Doug> read your passage again.

I did. 
I only described the best (or worst) scenario.

-Heikki
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:29239 comp.sys.amiga.misc:16930
From: johnw@bobcat.cbm.commodore.com (John F. Wiederhirn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:44:46 GMT
Organization: Commodore Applications and Technical Support

ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
> 
> Piracy is in most cases theft where nothing is stolen.
> 

You realize of course that most bank accounts and other wealth have
no physical representation most of the time?  I suppose you also consider
hacking into a bank computer and stealing from it fine because you aren't
taking _actual_ money?

Of course, when people stop writing software because they can't make
any money at it, and entire markets dry up and die...well, then its
always someone _else's_ fault...never could be a result of piracy, right?

Get real.  Wealth has meaning outside physical representation and has had
so since classical days.  Take an econ class or two, study scarcity and
the valuation of labor as well as the valuation of produced goods.

> ---
> "Piracy is theft." / FAST
> "Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon

"Property is theft"...oh there's a damned enlightened viewpoint.  And one
that worked OH SO WELL for the Soviets, and the Chinese, and the other
Communist countries.  Just because the quote is famous doesn't make it
right, and often provably wrong.  I'll leave it to you to determine which
of these covers your quote.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore, here's a clue
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>UGH.. Let the 3000 die.  It was a good computer in it's time, but now it iis
>old, dated, and most importantly EXPENSIVE technology.  The 4000 is more
>refined, cheaper to produce, cheaper to sell, and has newer technology.

	With all this talk of the A4000 being cheap, why isn't it cheaper
    to BUY?  I know, I know, I said it again.  I just couldn't resist, A4000
    being associated with the word cheap was just to much for me. :) 

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


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