HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Rudy Dhaenens.
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:37:52 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

Here's a short snippet of news I've seen in a couple of this morning's
papers:

"Rudy Dhaenens, the Belgian who won the world professional road race
 title in 1990, has retired from competition at the age of 31 because
 of a heart problem."
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: dmoore@stein.u.washington.edu (David Moore)
Subject: Re: riding and weight training
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:32:21 GMT

mrpaolo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Paul M. Szymkiewicz) writes:


>Well, if you know that you are not an expert I would stay away from
>advices advocating Advil and such for regular training.  The results might
>be just the opposite making the no pain no gain theory look a bit weird.

>Having considerable problems when doing weight training is an alarm that
>the methods are wrong. Probably weights are too heavy and something is
>wrong on the nutrition side. Try stabilize your minerals and vitamins intake
>but do not overload.  Drink in the gym at least as much as you would
>when on the road -- one bottle every 45 min. is a minimum. Try very light
>solutions, if any, water with just a taste of something works best.

>Again, 600mg Advil is something for a sick person, and you will be glad
>you solved the problem with the help of your body and not chemistry.
>-- 


I agree with Paul.  Bad advice is worse than no advice.  

Someone, for example, stressed the importance of regular stretching.  
Given the nearly universal practice of stretching, it may seem odd 
that not stretching can be a good thing.  Yet, many people actually
do themselves more harm by stretching than if they simply allow
their muscles to recuperate.  There is mounting evidence that, in fact,
stretching provides little if any relief from soreness.  On the
contrary, it can unduly stress your joints.  Certainly, flexibility
is a desirable quality in an athelete, and some stretching probably
promotes this flexibility.  However, the last thing that sore
muscles need (if indeed it's sore muscles and not something else, 
such as connective tissue damage) is to be stressed.

Just something to keep in mind.

David Moore
de_moore@pnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: Anyone out there live in Davis CA?
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:31:17 GMT

I need a contact for one of the Davis bike clubs.  I am going
to be out there this x-mas, and I was looking for some people to
train with.  (The 15 miles of flat straight road out to the first
climb of over 10 feet is pretty dull alone.) Also I am looking to
borrow a bike, 55 to 61 cm, for two weeks.  I can bring out what
extra components are needed to make your old bike usable.  I just
can't stand spending $90 for shipping.  One of the UCD racers better
get back to me or I will let the guy in charge of course selection
for nationals put that really steep climb on the circuit and
up the distance to 90 miles. :-)

Paul Stek
Stek@pfc.mit.edu
MIT Cycling Team
Boston Road Club
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: USCF 1993 Categorization Guidelines
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:21:05 GMT

les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:

>Road Categorization

>Minimum requirements for Upgrading from 5 to 4

>  by Experience:
>Need 10 Criterium or Road Races (public races acceptable) with at
>least 10 entries.

>  by Results:
>Need 15 points to upgrade.  Points scored 7, 5, 3, 2, 1 - 1st through 6th
>places respectively - in criteriums and road races with at least 10 riders
>entered.

I started racing because the Cat 5 was invented. But last year there was not 
one race around my area (Colorado) that had a Cat 5 only class. So
I raced a few Cat 4s, citizens and masters 35+ races. None of the results
kept track of the category finishes. So upgrading from 5 to 4 requires
top 6 finishes *against 4s* to become a 4, or more practically, by
experience. So the only advantage of Cat 5 for me is that I can still enter
the citizens class if the Cat 4 or masters races are too long for me.

>Qualifying Races
>	Road Races	Criteriums	   Field Size
>Men	50 mi./80 km.	20 mi./32 km./45   min. 60
>Women	40 mi./64 km.	15 mi./24 km./30   min. 20
>				      ^^
>				     [If you are wondering what these numbers
>				      are, you are not alone - Les]

I'm guessing that those numbers are in minutes for timed criteriums.

>Downgrading
>
>Riders will not be downgraded lower than Category 4.

Well, if I ever make Cat 4 I don't have to go back :-) I have never
scored any points in Cat 4 or masters races, but I'm sure the USCF
would put Cat 4 on my license if I just asked. But that would
be making the request "Please disallow me from entering citizens races".
I'm planning on training harder this year so that I can race mostly
masters (I found the Cat 4 races to be way scarey) and avoid citizens.
I have found the Cat 5 addition to be a disappointment. Most races
in Colorado have a good turnout, so I doubt that there are many 
Cat 5 only races in other parts of the country.

Jim Moore
Colorado Springs
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:04:12 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Bruce Hildenbrand writess:
>> Jim Warsa wrote:
>>Janelle Parks (some of you may remember her - I'd guess Les would) tested 
>>at 14.5 mcg/ml urine in 1989 during the PostGiro in Norway, an eight day 
>>women's stage race held in late May. She had taken two UPTime tablets 
>>(containing 90 mg caffeine each) and two cups of coffee prior to the stage 
>>at 10:00 a.m. Her urine sample was taken at about 4:30 p.m. after she won 
>>the last stage (6th overall). She got suspended and was removed from the 
>>Len Pettyjohn led Lowery's team. Since she was my girlfriend at the time, 
>>I know that she took it pretty hard especially since it was her living. 

>Gosh, I must be naive but, what was she taking two UPtime tablets for.
>Since these things are loaded with caffeine, it probably wasn't because
>she had a headache!  This sounds to me like a clear case of caffeine
>abuse and she tested positive because of it.

Obviously she was taking it to enhance her performance.  However, it wasn't a 
case of abuse since two Uptimes and two coffees is NOT very much caffeine
and it is not a banned substance in any case.  Human physiology is so
variable that putting a threshold on drugs, especially commonly used drugs,
is a crap-shoot and thus unfair.

I drink quadruple espressos before tt's to enhance my performance.  I assume
that since I drink lots of coffee everyday and am fairly heavy I'm okay but
I really don't know.  So if my body assimilates it and I pass the test 
than I am not cheating. However, if I am the one-in-a-hundred that gets 
busted then I am considered to be a drug abuser.  It's that arbitrariness 
that makes it unfair.

>Sorry to be so hard on this drug issue, but I am having a difficult
>time here seeing the injustice of this particular situation.

If she had just drunk coffee would you feel differently?  The implication that
I read into what you wrote is that you would.  If that is correct then I don't
understand it because the end result of either method of consumtion is caffeine
in your system.  It was unfair to disqualify her and end her career because 
it is an arbitrary rule.  

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: cappykid@amy12.stanford.edu ( Lim)
Subject: Hampsten's team '93
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: su.org.cycling
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:55:16 GMT


I was reading Miroir du Cyclisme yesterday and I thought 
that I read that Andy Hampsten had decided to join Subaru 
for 1993.  Of course, my French has become very, very 
rusty with disuse so I had trouble reading, and I didn't 
quite know what some of the vocabulary meant, and 
therefore I might very well be wrong.  So if you did know 
anything regarding this surprise would you please post the 
information?
Thanks-----Eddie Lim
From: koshel@moe.optics.rochester.edu (John Koshel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Cycling Club Funding for Univ. of Rochester, Rochester, N.Y.
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:58:03 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: koshel@moe.optics.rochester.edu (John Koshel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.tamu.edu
Summary: Posted for koshel@moe.optics.rochester.edu, whose news posting
	did not work.

[The following is posted on behalf of John Koshel at Univ. of Rochester]

Here at the University of Rochester we have (I guess had) a cycling team in
the ECCF for a number of years.  I was president a few years back, and the
team went downhill after I quit.  I am a grad student - first year when I was
pres/coach - and the interest in the undergrad population never materialised.
So I guess the team is now defunct!

We raised money thru a few means:

1)	Dues - $15/year.
2)	Fund raising - we would hold raffles/ride-a-thons -usually on
	rollers in the cold winter months.  The raffle would be held in
	conjunction with the roller rides.  We would have 2-3 people on the
	trainers while a couple others sold tickets.  This would net up to
	$200/event.
3)	Selling - the University has this late night pizza thing, and univ
	clubs/teams can volunteer to deliver the pizza.  We would earn $1 for
	each delivery.  This would net about $150/time.
4)	The team would also get about $300/year directly from the univ.
5)	Sponsorship - always tried but there was not much interest.  To get
	the sponsorship, you need results, to get results you need good
	riders, and the good riders at the UofR were only interested in
	doing USCF (they had good sponsorhip already).  It seems that we
	have always had 3 - 5 very good cyclists at the UofR.  Right now
	there are 3 cat 2's, a cat 1, and about 3 cat 3's.  I was a cat 4
	when I first started with the UofR - but I trained and am now a
	cat 3, and feel the same as the good riders when I was the pres.
	Why should I race for the UofR?  They do not support the team.
	It is a Catch 22.

Also, after doing all the pizza delivery, hawking raffle tickets, people
got sick of the team - it just does not seem fair that we had to work so
hard while the university recognized sports did not have to do anything,
nor buy expensive equipment, maintain it, feed themselves, pay for
lodginge, etc....  This problem, and the fact that Rochester has a lot
to be deired when it comes to winter, hurt the team dramatically.  (Right 
now it is 28 with snow coming out of the sky horizontally!)  Bigger schools
also are able to get more funding, possibly find more sponsorship, larger
student body to pull cyclists from, etc...; however, the UofR has about
4000 undergrads and 3000 grads - it is hard to field a complete team.

John Koshel
koshel@moe.optics.rochester.edu
From: ianbjor@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ian D. Bjorhovde)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:24:49 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec14.141023.14742@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun )) writes:
><K3018E9@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
>
>>- What do you know about doping?
>>- What do the pros take?
>>- Do you take anything?
>
>>Steve.
>
>What kind of BULLSHIT is this?  This is no place for discussions on
>crap like this.
>
>-- 
>Gregg Mack                 
>gmack@paceline.sps.mot.com  


My thoughts exactly, I just didn't have the /huevos/ to say it first.



--Ian D. Bjorhovde
  ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu
  Department of Materials Science and Engineering
  The University of Arizona
  Tucson, AZ  85721  USA
From: kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Drafting!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:34:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <29.1992.LID@lemond.harvey.com>, alleged-dave writes:
>Personally, I don't respect anyone who sucks off my wheel, but what
>really frosts me is when they try to go in front. I didn't get this
>powerful by sucking wheel, me mateys. Breaking wind is Job 1 on my
>training schedule. Do I let it get me down when they try? No, sir. I
>let my elbows do the talking. Most riders will not risk spleen damage
>just to lead the peloton.

>Personal to Kim:
>I'm not wearing pink panties under my Pearl Izumis. How about you?

OK, Terry Thiel and Thomas Kuenich, I give, I did laugh at pseudo-dave's
humor. I'll even admit that he/she may have used these phrases in the same
letter intentionally. 

See unfortunate choice of biking jargon below:

>I'm not wearing pink panties under my Pearl Izumis. How about you?
[Honest Terry and Thom, my first thought was: 
"Of course you're not, because..."]
>Breaking wind is Job 1 on [cool-dave's] training schedule.

Dare to pseudo-dave:
I get what you're saying/asking. I'll even tell you the answer, by e-mail!
I've shown you my address, now, you show me yours! Until then, no mas!


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun ))
Subject: Re: Cyling and Doping
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:10:23 GMT

<K3018E9@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:

>- What do you know about doping?
>- What do the pros take?
>- Do you take anything?

>Steve.

What kind of BULLSHIT is this?  This is no place for discussions on
crap like this.

(Just my $0.02 worth.)


-- 
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Motorola RISC uProcessors   ------- (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Subject: Re: Rudy Dhaenens.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:09:38 GMT


>In article <BzAwF4.MFA@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:

>>"Rudy Dhaenens, the Belgian who won the world professional road race
>> title in 1990, has retired from competition at the age of 31 because
>> of a heart problem."

too bad... I'll miss him.  When I think of Dhaenens, I don't think of 
the professional road race champ, I think of the 87 Paris-Roubaix when
he still rode with Hitachi.  He must have wiped on every muddy corner
in that race. :)

-- 
John Yoon (std. disclaimer)   *   Advice is what we ask for when we already 
jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     *   know the answer but wish we didn't. 
jyoon@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu        *                                 E. Jong 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Who is Dave Harvey
Keywords: Dave  Harvey
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.182544.25011@julian.uwo.ca>, t
|> 
|> Is he someone I should know from racing? And is the lemond in his e-mail 
|> address a reference to Greg?

Neither of the 3, it is, in fact a corruption of the word lemon:

	lem'on: [1] Yellow acidic citrus fruit [2] [slang] disfunctional
		artifact, object unfit for specified task.


:-)

David.
From: wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu (Bill Tomer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Thermodynamics
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:31:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Many netters would do well to pick up any introductory book on 
thermodynamics versus discussing points on cooling (and heating) 
of water on the network.  

I also think that this hot/cold water thread belongs on r.b.misc
not on rec.b.racing.


-- 
William Tomer       :			  
224 Alumni Hall     :	 I want to be just like you when I grow up!  
U. of Pittsburgh    :          Maybe a little taller though.
wjtomer@cs.pitt.edu :
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Cold Weather hydration (was: Re: Frozen water bottles)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:36:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <3450005@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:

>  Just as a casual data point, we went on a ride over the coast
>range and back for a 75 mile ride and ~5000 feet of climbing on
>Sunday and surprise, my friends drank about a half a bottle and I
>didn't drink anything all day even though I ate a candy bar at half
>distance.  I was not all dried up but it was crisp out at 30-40 deg
>depending on where in the forest or hill we were.  When it gets down
>to a half bottle it's about like no bottle and I don't believe a
>half pint can make the difference when bicycling at these distances.

Brandt, I hope you realize that this is far less water than you would
drink as a totally complacent couch potato. If you think that abstinance
from drinking is correct I certainly can't give you any advice. But
I will remark that this practice is counterproductive to cleaning
out your body by it's natural systems.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: USCF Upgrade Policy for '93
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:43:47 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Les Earnest writes:
>Dick Anderson writes:
>   It seems to me that part of the problem is that the upgrade
>   policy changes every year or two.  IMHO it may be wise to
>   pick a policy and stick to it for a few years.
>
>I wonder which planet Dick has been on -- the rider upgrading scheme
>used by USCF has been essentially unchanged for the last 12 years.  A
>twiddle introduced in 1989 was the substitution of a point system for
>the old "top three in three races or top six in six races" rule.  Also,
>women were given separate categorizations for the first time this
>year, but neither of these modifications significantly affect the
>upgrading procedure.

I don't want to put words into his mouth but I think Dick was refering to 
the Cat 1 situation which has changed every few years.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Nipple Rash
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:14 GMT

"Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com> writes:
>Harvey is a titanic figure in the tradition of Cu Chulainn, Paul Bunyan, 
>Mike Fink (King of the Keelboaters), Herakles, Orlando Furioso, and all 
>the other anarchic, shape-shifting berserkers of popular legend (I am 

I'm extremely hurt that you left our Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: riding and weight training
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:01:11 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <11DEC92.01383891@amazon.pfc.mit.edu>, stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu writes
:
>Now that I am sure we've all heard enough about frozen water bottles,
>I have a question for those of you that are lifting out there.
>
>I have been following a program in the weight room of leg exercizes
>3 days per week.  I do lunges (something like squats, but only one leg
>is worked at a time), leg curls, leg extensions, and sometimes squats.
>I also do some torso work and a bit of beach muscle work.  Usually
>I do 3 sets of 15 on each of the leg exercizes at a weight that will
>not allow me to do more than 15.  The problem I have is that
>I can not climb at all TWO days afterward.  The day after a workout
>I'm slow but I can usually do alright.  But the pain 2 days after a
>workout is really intense in the quads and butt 20 seconds after I try
>to push the pace.  I am much more effected by this than my teammates.
>Has anyone else out there had this experience.  I fear that I am doing
>more harm than good.
>
>Paul stek
>Stek@pfc.mit.edu
>
    You are probably stressing the muscles from riding hard the day after
    lifting.  When you lift, you are actually breaking the muscle fibers.
    (Note to all: This muscle breaking idea is vague and is just used as an
    example.  If you want what really happens, read a medical or lifting book)
     These fibers need a day to recover and regenerate.  By pushing hard the
     day after prevents these fibers from recuperating therefore causing
     muscle fatigue and sometimes injury.  I lift three days a week.  On the
     days I lift I do a hard workout such as intervals/hill climbs/fast pacing
     etc.. prior to lifting.  The next day I usually do some sort of aerobic
     activity(nice and easy) or maybe an hour or two of high cadence spinning.
      Well I hope this helps.


                                            -Dan


DISCLAIMER:  I am not an expert at training or weight training so what I said
above is only my opinion and what I feel is right.  Please feel free to
correct me!
-- 
*******************************************************************************
*Dan McCauley       (Lair of Sam, Lisa, Spot, Spot II, and Victoria)
*                              ...with carcasses of dead smelly vermin!
*******************************************************************************
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Portland, Oregonians:  Are You There?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:18:38 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.tamu.edu

I am looking for racers who live in the Portland, Ore., vicinity.
I'll be there for a bit more than 3 weeks starting on Dec. 20th
and I'm looking for routes/people to train with/etc.

Please send mail by the afternoon of Wed. 12/16, since that's
when our final examinations are over.

Tnx.
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

PGP public key available:  finger ks@stat.tamu.edu
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 09:49:41 CET
From: <K3018E9@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Cyling and Doping

- What do you know about doping?
- What do the pros take?
- Do you take anything?

Steve.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Additional Evidence for Tales o' the "He-Man"
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:17:10 GMT

Why was it that MJ was the only one who e-maied me when I posted a
rhetorical question about DH posts, some time ago? I was also offered
copies of old DH posts. Who else would keep them if not Dave Harvey aka
MJohnston???
BTW-I enjoy them but not after reading them 5 or six times...

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Tales of the "He-Man"
In article <3450003@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
   Frank Williams writes:
   > Mike Johnston (mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com) ... alias Dave Harvey
   Good work there Frank.  I think you were awake, unlike some of us
   who aren't looking for Mike.  No doubt he will deny all but as you
   point out, he made several incriminating blunders brought on by
   over confidence and hubris.  I'm glad to have had a part in this
   escapade.  It might just be that my words got under his skin a bit.
With this post by Jobst I now have incontrovertable evidence of his
fallability. Of course, with no one but me to justify my claims of innocence,
I have no means of demonstrating this. Still, it's nice to be right when
Jobst is wrong.
Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing