HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: noonan@sonata.enet.dec.com (Costumes & Makeup & Kliegs, oh my!)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: On Mensa Bashing
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:17:46 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <1992Mar29.132122.26684@kth.se>, tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren) writes:
>>  no, it is not. let's see now, how about this one "hey! let's have a beer!"
>> compared to "attention! why don't we bring ourselves to inherit some al-
                ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^
>> colized beverage in order to socialize with the primal function of getting
   ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^
>> above the normal level of intoxication?" See what I mean? Different ways
   ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of displaying your hyper-I.Q. 


         giggle  snort  hahahahahhahahhahahhahahha

         I'm trying to imagine *anyone* talking like this at any of
         the Mensa gatherings to which I go.

         They'd be laughed out of the place!!!!!!!

         Besides, why would someone have to die in order for us to socialize?


         .sigless E






Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Brainwashing (was Re: IQ and religious belief)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:23:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac.1992Apr11.142342.2418
Organization: Macalester College

In article <1992Apr9.161539.7577@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, dabrowski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Jarek Dabrowski) writes:
> In <graham.702531505@bizet> Graham Matthews surrenders unconditionally:
> 
> -Jarek:
> c) Why, after you'd been defeated in the "sword duel" and the "Godless 
>    creation" threads, you mentioned Jarek only in the context of "don't
>    read Jarek" and why, in spite of my provocations, during our further 
>    clashes you never went beyond a courtious exchange of flames. 

I didn't know there WAS such a thing as a courteous display of flames....For
some reason, insulting someone just isn't my idea of being polite.  I guess I'm
just weird that way.

> I can't FORCE you to admit that you're wrong. But you help me when you
> refuse even to list your arguments - actually, there are no arguments
> you can succesfully use against me, and you know that.

I think there ARE probably some arguments that can be successfully used, Jarek
(one of the spots where you and I differ -- I'm willing to admit I could be
quite wrong and have to consider my arguments carefully).  It usually helps
when you're discussing something to consider the possible drawbacks of your
position.  It provokes a bit more thought and makes you look a bit more
reasonable, if nothing else....
 
> I
> accept your... well, your silence (or your empty words which mean just
> silence). Please be consequent and to surrender to Allison as well.

I don't necessarily want Graham to surrender....I want to learn more about his
position.  I usually don't argue things just for the thrill of "winning," but
rather because I want to learn about the other person's point of view.  Often
arguments help me think more clearly about MY beliefs (oh no, there's that word
again....).  Discussions are not only a good way of learning more about other
people, but also of learning more about myself.
Allison
amitchell@macalstr.edu
amitchel@macalstr.edu

Macalester College does not necessarily agree with me.

If you have any responses to this, PLEASE do not only post them, but forward
them to me as well....alt.* groups have been restored until the next Computing
Advisory Council meeting, but this restoration is not necessarily permanent.
From: Mike.Steiner@f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Use of this newsgroup (Was Re: TIME
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:00:48 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA

"Gee, I thought that Mike and I were having a reasonable
discusson.  No name calling, no sendsys bombing, no Nazis... not
a flame war by anyone's standards. :)"
 
Maybe that's why he suggested that we stop--no fun. :-)

7
--  
Mike Steiner
UUCP: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!207!Mike.Steiner
INTERNET: Mike.Steiner@f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
"The views expressed above are those of Mike Steiner only."
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 23:55:58 -0400 
From: David O Hunt <dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Harsh Language in Recent Post
	<1992Apr4.125338.1511@brandonu.ca>

>> and "so help me God" out of various oaths I'll
>> watch my language.
> 
>Which of these oaths have you felt a need to say?

Actually, I had to take say that when I worked for the U.S. Army.

As to "In God We Trust", I resent having to see it every time I pay for
something.  How about putting "In Satan We Trust" on money.  Would you be so
neutral then?



David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own.          | Towards both a
Mechanical Engineering      | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and
Carnegie Mellon University  | <<<Use Golden Rule v2.0>>>  | Jewish homeland!
============================================================================
Email:  dh4j@andrew.cmu.edu        I think, therefore I am paid. (S. Harris)

"You should be furious that polluters are threatening your great-great-
grand children's lives!"---Iroquois chief speaking about the environment.

From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Categorizations
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:09:50 -0500

rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:

RHS> gmc@mlb.semi.harris.com  writes:
[...]
RHS> >     I have felt for some time that Mensa members can be roughly
RHS> >categorized into one of two groups.

RHS> People who categorize members into two groups, and people who dont.  :-)

There are three kinds of people in the world:  those who categorize people
into three groups, and those who can count.  <B-)
From: phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: /T/ Cattell Culture Fair Test
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:51:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.06Apr92185142
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:

> California Test of Mental Maturity                     IQ 132
> (California) Test of Cognitive Skills                  IQ 132
> Cattell                                                IQ 148
> ^^^^^^^                                                ^^^^^^
> [...]
> Stanford Binet, Form L-M                               IQ 132
> Wechler Adult and Children Scales
>     (WAIS and WAIS-R, WISC and WISC-R)                 IQ 130
> Otis-Lennon Tests                                      IQ 132
> Otis-Gamma Test                                        IQ 131
>
>I'm curious why the Cattell score required is significantly higher 
>( > 15 points) than for any other IQ tests.

Cattell is scaled differently from the other tests, I took both the CTMM
and the Cattell, and scored lower on Cattell than CTMM (Perfentile
wise that is), but my Cattell IQ was higher.

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| Phil Hill                     | "All you people in TV land,           |
| Miracle Computer Consultants  |   I will wake up your empty shells.   |
| Email: phil%miracle@merk.com  |  Peak time viewing blown in a flash,  |
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| FAX:   (508)875-3297          |  'cause I'm alive." - Peter Gabriel   |
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: How to join?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <07Apr92211112@miracle.UUCP>, phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:
|>moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
|>>I called the 800 number shortly after the group started.  I didn't receive
|>>anything until last Friday, so I guess they check for messages only
|>>sporadically now.  They should monitor the line better or discontinue it.

|>Thanks.  I'll bring that to the attention of the higher-ups.  I think that
|>most of the information that they send you is included in the FAQ posting
|>anyway.

I got the flier that has been posted to the group a half dozen times or so,
including the much-flamed quick quiz (Which number does Sally like?)

Your name (or some other Phil Hill) was given as my local group contact, so I
guess you'll be hearing from me.

-Mike
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Swing on a Politician
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 16:32:48 -0500

Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG forwards:

MS> Dear friends and fellow citizens,
MS> Today is primary day in several states (such as here in
MS> NY). So I've prepared a little musical voter's guide.

MS> (sung to the tune of "Swingin' On A Star")

(My memory of the tune is rather distant, so this might not scan quite right,
but what the hey....)

Andre's against Big Brother's tricks;
Says Libertarianism's the fix.
Get the DC monkey off our backs,
And dump the political hacks.
If you like freedom like I do,
You'd probably vote for Marrou.

<chorus>

H. Ross wants to turn around
The economy 'fore it runs aground,
Get our balance back to black
And give the poor the things they lack.
If you want the deficit to go,
Then pull the lever for Perot.

<chorus>

Lyndon's followers won't tell
You that he's in a prison cell.
He wants your vote, but think real hard
Before you give your credit card!
If you have less brains than a Coosh-
Ball then you might vote LaRouche!
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A Truly International Gathering
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:39:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Gordon Cross writes about "Re: A Truly International Gathering" to All  [16
Apr 92 18:11]

GC> I've been to RGs five (yes 5) consecutive weekends - pretty much 
GC> burned me out and so don't think I'll repeat that one! (it was 
GC> expensive too!)

Are you the person I spoke to at the Phoenix RG who said that he had been to
23 RGs in 1990?
 
/207 143/207
--  
Mike Steiner
UUCP: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!207.1!Mike.Steiner
INTERNET: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
"The views expressed above are those of Mike Steiner only."
From: phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Argument for the sake of argument
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 22:54:39 EST
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

  A    TTTTT  TTTTT  EEEEE  N   N  TTTTT  IIIII   OOO   N   N  !!!
 A A     T      T    E      NN  N    T      I    O   O  NN  N  !!!
AAAAA    T      T    EEE    N N N    T      I    O   O  N N N  !!!
A   A    T      T    E      N  NN    T      I    O   O  N  NN
A   A    T      T    EEEEE  N   N    T    IIIII   OOO   N   N  !!!

Mr. Scott Tai is currently engaged in making an attack on Mensa and Mensans
purely for the fun of instigating an argument.

He will not respond to any reasonable argument to any point made against
him, instead he will quote you out of context, re-post his original argument
and start a cycle all over.

Mr. Tai has nothing interesting to say.

We should not bother responding to his postings, for when people like him
are ignored they tend to go away.

Do not respond to his postings!  If you feel that you must comment on his
remarks, save them up for one massive posting.  We must cut down on the
traffic he is generating!  The amount of traffic is only booting his ego,
and allow him to say "look I have all these smart people running around in
cicrles".

We have many more interesting things to talk about other that Mr. Tai's
opinions or lack of opinions.

Please help for the sake of us all.

- Phil
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| Miracle Computer Consultants  |   I will wake up your empty shells.   |
| Email: phil%miracle@merk.com  |  Peak time viewing blown in a flash,  |
|  -or-  phil.hill@channel1.com |   as I burn into your memory cells.   |
| FAX:   (508)875-3297          |  'cause I'm alive." - Peter Gabriel   |
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Illiteracy
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:32:32 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <702450700.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> 
> Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG writes:
> 
>  MS> it would answer those who ask "What does Mensa do?"
> 
> The opposite of what the simple folk do, of course!  B-)

So what do the simple Mensans do?
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: The Triple Nine Society
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:26:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: claris.14158
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.155122.28663@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> In article <2072.29E19A2F@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:
> > 
> > Ted Chan writes about "The Triple Nine Society" to All  [07 Apr 92 00:31]
> 
> [... stuff deleted ...]
> 
> > You qualify though, it appears.  I guess that means that the Triple Nine Society
> > must discriminate against white Jewish males.  :-)
> 
> Ah-HAH!  So, Mike, why the 0.1% rule, huh??  ANSWER ME THAT!!
> I contend that it is bigotted, slanted, fraudulent, conspiratorial...
> ...never mind...

I don't have to defend the T9's 0.1% rule to you or to anyone else!  I'm
not a member of T9 and I don't qualify for T9.  So there! nyaa nyaa nyaa.
From: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/T/ Weekend Plans
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:16:58 GMT
Reply-To: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

> [zillions of other Scott Tai flames since then deleted]

> Oh dear, it looks like Scott didn't get a life this weekend.  Maybe if we all
> chip in, we can get Scott a life by next weekend.  Or at least buy him
a clue.

First you criticize ME for flaming, then YOU flame away?

Flaming hypocrite!

---------
Scott Tai
Xref: sparky rec.org.mensa:2895 alt.atheism:8165
From: dabrowski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Jarek Dabrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Jarek!!! (was Re: Brainwashing (was Re: IQ and religious belief)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:22:19 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

In <willimsa.702564069@unix1.tcd.ie>, Gavin Williams writes:
> 
> Eight contiguous postings!!!!! Is this a record? :-)
>
No. A screwy news server, possibly in a close alliance with a 
screwy gate somewhere I don't know where... :->
 

Best wishes,
             Jarek
------------------------------------------------------
 .-----.    dabrowski@fhi-berlin.mpg.dbp.de
 `-> <-'           (Jarek Dabrowski)
I WANT DAN BREDY BACK TO THE NET
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh N. Vander Berg)
Subject: Re: /T/ Harsh Language in Recent Post
Organization: Kalamazoo College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:37:59 GMT

In article <2054.29E1300C@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:
>
>I have been meaning to ask you, when are your parents going to get married?
> Oh yes, I almost forgot:  Yo mama cain't figger out which of those dozen guys
>who paid her five bucks that night is yo papa.  I wonder though, did she get
>her rabbies shots before or after?

How OLD are you???  Shees.... this is RIDICULOUS...

Go home little boy..

>Mike Steiner
>UUCP: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!207.1!Mike.Steiner
>INTERNET: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
>"The views expressed above are those of Mike Steiner only."

--
"Physicists are an atom's way of knowing about atoms"
Josh Vander Berg                            k080093@kzoo.edu
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Richard Barry Shrum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: What is the purpose of this newsgroup and Mensa?
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:16:12 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, CA

In article <03Apr92165036@miracle.UUCP> phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>>
>>Unfortunately, yes.  For the most part, the MENSA members and supporters
>>on here are unwilling to consider anyone else's opinion, and merely
>>rephrase their same tired arguments over and over.  I've yet to hear any
>>MENSA members even consider dropping the 2% rule.
>
>Scott, you have yet to propose a subsitute for the 2% rule that would work.
>If you do, then I'll be glad to listen.  Until then you are just saying that
>the world is a bad place and we should do something about it, without making
>a suggestion of what we should do.
>
Well, I'm not Mr. Tai, but I personally believe a person should
be granted membership into MENSA immediatly upon producing ANY
grade of "B+" or better, from any exam, test, essay, or pop quiz,
during the applicants entire academic career. In order to authen-
ticate the score, the grade must be written in red ink.
The requirement of a "B+" will be waived, in the event the applicant
*did* receive a letter grade of "B", along with the teacher's affixed
comment of "showing improvement" accompanying the letter grade; smiley
face optional. Its the only fair way.




Woooo!


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    I
     C
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From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa and Atheism
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:19:01 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <D9N9HB2w163w@samantha>, 
samantha@infoserv.com (Samantha J. Atkins) writes:
>   
>         As an atheist I won't say my opinion is the most intelligent
> one.  However, I do think it is the more intellectually honest way
> of dealing with the question.

How so?
  
> - Samantha

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: decimal prefix
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 01:26:44 -0500

lipscomb@lonestar.utsa.edu (David S. Lipscomb) writes:

 DSL> I am a lowly student who is trying to write a story.  The problem is
 DSL> that an important part of this story is incomplete.
 DSL> The incomplete part is I need to know the decimal prefixes for ten
 DSL> from the powers 1 to 21.

I replied:

 DA>  If I understand correctly what you mean by "decimal prefix", this is
 DA>  not standardized internationally.  I *think* the US and UK systems go:
 DA>
 DA>  Power  USA name        UK name
 DA>  -----  --------        -------
 DA>   3     thousand        thousand
 DA>   6     million         million
 DA>   9     billion         thousand million
 JC> ...

jc@sppip7.lkg.dec.com (John Chambers) corrects:

 JC> Jeez, what nonsense!  And on a computer BB, too.  I probably won't be 
 JC> anywhere near the only one today posting the following table:

 JC>  Power  SI prefix
 JC>  -----  ---------
 JC>    1    deka-
 JC>    2    hecto-
 [...]
 JC> "Not standardized", indeed!

 If you compare our tables, you'll find we were talking about different
 things.  The thing I was talking about is indeed not standardized; the
 problem was, I was misunderstanding what he meant by decimal prefix.
 That's what I get for BBSing half asleep (Sunday afternoon after being
 up late Saturday night and early Sunday morning).  Methinks I'll go
 sack out after I post my saved-up Tai Shtick....

 PS: you were the *only* one that I have seen post that table so far.
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: one simple question
Date: 4 Apr 92 19:01:01 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1955.29DC546A@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, 
Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> Michael Greenwald writes about "Re: one simple question" to All  [02 Apr 92
> 23:50] 
> MG> In short, the rational strategy seems to be either (1) ignore 
> MG> the lie, or, at worst, (2) respond precisely once.
> 
> But people who arrive in time for the second repition of the lie and who 
> missed
> the first round wouldn't know about the first refutation.

Why worry so much about what other people think?  It isn't your duty to
assure everyone knows what statements made on a newsnet are true and which
are false.
   
> Mike Steiner

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/ Tai's Truths
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:37:13 GMT
Reply-To: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:

> You have branded yourself as a hypocrite, a liar, and a racist bigot.

Those words apply only to yourself.  Along with several others I'll omit.

---------
Scott Tai
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: On Mensa Bashing
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:23:23 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes about "Re: On Mensa Bashing" to All  [06 Apr 92 21:52]

>> >Isn't this confirming what Ms. Noonan just said?   She has to act if she
>> >doesn't have a brain to be accepted?  Even if 'acting dumb' might be
>> >intelligent sometimes, it's still acting dumb...
>> 
>>  no, it is not.  [entertaining text deleted] 
> The problem is that what she is complaining about is when she asks "Do you
> believe in free will?" and the guy replies, "Huh? What about dem Mets?" (or
> whatever team or sport he likes)--or if she says "Let's go to the symphony
> this weekend," and he replies "Nah, lets sit at the pool and have a beer."
> In order to interact with him, she would have to "dumb down" if he were
> like the person in my examples.  It is not just a matter of avoiding high-
> brow, pendantic vocabulary; it is often a matter of subject-matter
> comprehension and/or interest.

M>  How many guys out there would actually respond to such things 
M> in such a manner? How many women out there would want to have 
M> anything to do with these guys anyway? Sure, there must be a 
M> few morons out there, but this is quite an extreme example. I 
M> am simply guessing that most men who are worth the effort of 
M> an intelligent woman would have at least the slightest opinion 
M> of free will. As for the symphony, that's simply a matter of 
M> taste, not intelligence. Still, only a rude moron would suggest 
M> the pool/beer alternative! Not all men are pigs, and not all 
M> people require "dumbing down". 

Yes, it is an extreme example--intentionally so.  Since the accusations were
extreme, I used an extreme example to counter them.
 
/207 143/207
--  
Mike Steiner
UUCP: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!207.1!Mike.Steiner
INTERNET: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
"The views expressed above are those of Mike Steiner only."
From: chesl@garnet.berkeley.edu (Gail Chesler)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: signing off rec.org.mensa for the time being
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqvpbINN7jr
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: chesl@garnet.berkeley.edu

I check back in a few weeks to see if things have calmed
down any.  At this time, with all these flames, this group
is not living up to its potential.  It's mostly a waste of
the time it takes to read.  So sorry - I was hoping for more.
Best wishes.