From: pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Cloughie for England Manager?
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:01:47 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <00963D88.C293A160@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.000239.15841@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, (Richard Moores) writes:
>>For my money, Cloughie has to be given a chance. The man is a PROVEN winner
>>(Taylor is not), with a great track record for building good footballing
>>TEAMS, and getting the very best out of the talents at his disposable. I
>>think the time has come to silence the "Clough In" chants of the past 10+
>>years and install him as manager. Then we can all find out if they were
>>warranted.
>>
>>My 2p worth.
>>
>>Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
>>Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
>>FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
>>My opinions, not BNR's    
>
>I don't think Cloughie would make a good national manager (I don't think
>Taylor does either:-) My logic behind this is that Brian's greatest skill
>in Football management is to motivate players who many would consider
>'lesser' to a greater level of performance. The only time he has managed
>a squad of internationals was at Leeds which didn't last long. His record
>at Forest with bigger name players (ie biger transfer fees) is generally
>poor compared to the bargain buys. Take Gary Birtles & Roy Keane for
>examples of bargains (Birtles cost 2,000 and went to Man U for a million,
>Keane cost 15,000 and is reputedly worth 5m now) Then take Justin Fashnu
>& Ian Wallace as the expensive flops, both cost a million and went
>for bugger all. Generally IMHO, international, bigger name players find 
>Cloughies style of management ebrasive and unacceptable at times, and he
>may have more difficulty exerting his discipline on players he only sees
>5 or 6 times a year.
>
>However having said all this if Cloughie was offered the job (the dozy
>sods at Lancaster Gate would never have the bottle to do this anyway)
>there would be a couple of good points to come out it. 
>1. Anyone who had served a jail sentence would never wear an England
>shirt again.
>2. The after match interviews would be a lot more interesting (assuming
>Brian had managed to keep the alcolhol consumption below a bottle)
>
>Dream all you like, but the FA would never give the job to someone who
>speaks his mind, turns up for presentations incapable of standing up,
>and only turns up for work one day a week. Don't get me wrong, I would
>love to see him as the national manager, despite the fact he is my teams
>manager, but its too late now, he should have had it 10-15 years ago.
>
>Cheers - Ian
>
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Having spent 3 years in Nottingham, away from Arsenal I have been looking closely
 at Forest and can say only one thing: Forest are bottom of the league because of
Clough. In the past few years all the quality players have been slowly sold off 
and not replaced. 
	Nigel Jemson and Teddy Sherringham, two class attackers are sold and not
replaced. Des Walker is sold and is "replaced" by Carl tiler (Crap) , Roy
Keane (?) and Nigel Clough(??). The 2 most talented players are played at 
centre half.
	Steve Sutton , a very good keeper, is also sold off for no apparent
reason. He was very impressive against Arsenal for Derby. 
	Also why does Clough keep selling, rebuying and reselling players?
Steve Hodge, doing very well at Leeds, was rebought (a very good move I
thought) but very soon afterwards was sold again. Also why is he buying 
back Webb? He plays so similarluOCy to Clough ODf thatrOD they should 
not play in the same team together. This does not mean they will of
course.
	With Psycho and Keane both publicly unsettttlerd (what?) unsettled
 the team spirit is not very good. Basically they are a very skillful side
and i have enjoyed many of their games, particularly last seaons 3 all
draw at Highbury. However With no decent goalscorer only Psycho and
the good midfielders in defence how can they expect to improve.
	He has bought 2 young foreign defenders and hopefully they 
will do well. In the short term they are not much use though as new players
let alone foreign ones take time to settle in. All this and Forest extend his contract
forOD another year.

	So do you want this man running the national team ? I certainly do not!

			Matt
	"West Ham do play lovely football."