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From: root@kesher.UUCP (Aaron_Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Summary: Fired?!?!?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:09:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, Tx

In article <1992Apr13.140609.17239@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.105704.12741@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
> >  long time.  In many ways, EDS is stricter than even the Eisenhower
> >  administration.  Jews have been fired for refusing to shave off 
> >  their beards.  
> 
> Does anyone have documentation/additional information about this?
> -- 
> Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the

I would LOVE to see anyone document a single case of where a Jew was fired
for failing to shave off their beard.   Talk about a civil case!

At any rate, EDS did (does?) have very strict guidelines.  When I went to
apply for a job as a programmer there in, oh.. the early 80's, I passed
all their little tests and was told that Mr. Perot likes his employees clean
shaven.  I said I couldn't do that.  Never heard from them again.  But if
Mr. Perot wants his company run like that, so be it.  Of the people I know
who work/worked for him, they have ACROSS THE BOARD said that the support
the company gives to the individual is fantastic.  The common quote was "If
you don't mind the structure, you will find the benefits far surpass any
thing anyone else offers."  I personally know of a case where EDS paid for
(totally) a transplant required to be done on a friend's MOTHER, who was
hardly insured by EDS.

What I have found, is like every other company.. you will find some 
former employees who think very highly of it, and some who think it is
the pits.  I am sure for every positive example a negative one can be given.

However, take it with a grain of salt.  Unless you know the people PERSONALLY,
there are reasons to doubt either way.  There is much "folklore" associated
with EDS, and as Ross Perot is considered a "Texas son" and much of a folk
hero here, you will get emotional diatribes both for and against him - little
of which has basis in fact.....


(I cannot reply to talk.politics.antisemite, I mean .misc so this only goes
out to s.c.j.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Kitniot 
Organization: University of Toronto 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:26:33 GMT

Ms. Allender brought up the nutritional advantages of rice over eggs in a
comment about kitniot.

Remember that eggs are self-contained and easy to deploy en masse into pesach
food.  Rice, as observant sephardim will tell you, has to be minutely examined
and cleaned for pesach.  This is one use for daughters, I'm told. >:-)

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From: sjain@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Sanghursh Jain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew Wordprocessor
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:28:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I am looking for a Hebrew wordprocessor for an MS-DOS or UNIX machine.
Source codes are acceptable, but not expected.  I support Sun 3 arch, AT&T 
3B2 arch, and MS-DOS.

If an anonymous FTP site can be provided, I would be grateful.

Please reply by e-mail to:

vic@green.cooper.edu

Thank you in advance,

Vic
From: mer@zurich.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Correction: Chalav Yisrael Post
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:51:22 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <odtRA3u00WBKE3YoZ_@andrew.cmu.edu>  Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
> What I meant to write was that milking does not take place in a
> grain-strewn barn as Yechezkal Gutfriend implies.
  ^^^^
In Switzerland, it sure does.

Moshe Rappoport
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Abraham
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:01:23 GMT

In article <45387@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.150052.19481@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>Somedbody who don't like to engage in discussions E-mailed me the following comment.
>
>>>If he talk about history, why he assume that a Jew is a son of Abraham,
>>>an Arab is not? 200 million Arabs must have the right to settle in Palestine..
>
>>Deleted stuff 
>
>>Any body would like to comment on the above?
>
>The Israelites, to whom the term "Jew" was later applied (actually from
>Judah), were the descendents of Jacob, later called Israel.  The Torah
>specifically states that Ishmael would found a great nation, but that
>the territory now called Palestine, or Judea and Samaria, would go to
>the descendents of Isaac and not Ishmael.

So Arabs are descendent of who? Ishmael? I really don't know, can you explain?
I will look it up in the Quran. Where would Ishmael find the great nation?

Nabil


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest (sigh!)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Mar30.003653.21056@cs.cornell.edu> <1679@vaccine.UUCP>
	<1992Apr6.032705.25664@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:23:43 GMT

On 6 Apr 92 03:27:05 GMT, rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) said:
> I'm Reform, but I think that the entire patrilineal descent issue is
> fairly stupid. 

You're not alone; I know a number of Reform Rabbis that voted against the
resolution. 

In any case, I really wish people would read the decision whenever I post it
(which I seem to do every few months -- Rob, we really should put this in the
FAQ :-)). The decision is actually stricter than Orthodox practice. Orthodox
practices allows the child of a Jewish mother to be treated as Jewish,
regardless of the extend of practice of the child or the belief of the child.
Reform requires that the child of *any* mixed marriage, I repeat ANY mixed
marriage, to be only under the PRESUMPTION of being Jewish. The "jewishness"
is not confirmed unless the child shows a committment to Jewish life by public
acts that identify the child with Judaism as it grows up -- acts such as Bar
Mitzvah, Confirmation, graduation from Religious High School, participation in
the holidays, participation in Jewish social action, etc. If the kid doesn't
do this -- the kids hasn't confirmed their Judaism.

If anyone wants to read the text again, drop me a note.

Daniel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mike@dehn.math.nwu.edu (Michael R. Stein)
Subject: Cat food for Pesach...the list
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Northwestern University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:04:23 GMT


I spoke to the Baltimore va'ad hakashrus this morning.  They inform me that
the following varieties of *Fancy Feast* brand cat food may be used for
Pesach 5752:

chopped grilled feast
beef and chicken feast
savory salmon feast
tender liver and chicken feast
fancy feast cod
sole and shrimp feast

Since the list was dictated over the phone by someone who was not familiar
with the names, and was transcribed by someone whose cat only has the treat
of Fancy Feast brand cat food on pesach, there may be some minor errors in
the names (maybe it's "grill" instead of "grilled" for example).  But in
previous years there has never been any doubt what the names referred to
once I stood before them in the market.

Chag kasher v'sameach.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,rec.pet.cats
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Kosher for Pesach Cat Food
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:26:27 GMT

Does anyone know whether there is any commercially available kosher for
pesach cat food this year?  My guys hate the tuna, sardine, and lemon yogurt
regimen.

-- 
Bill Coleman
From: sher@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Sher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Following Sedar tradition
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:34:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

I'm not a vegitarian either.  But lamb shanks are not so easy to find.
And so my family developed a minhag of using an aluminum lamb shank.
I don't see why a vegitarian can't do likewise.  Such a device does
not do violence to the metaphor but does not involve killing an
animal.  At least I don't think any animals are killed in the process
of manufacturing aluminum foil.  

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From: "ken halfon" <ken.halfon@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: explanation of the eg
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:21:54 EST
Reply-To: "ken halfon" <ken.halfon@execnet.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


WB>In <1992Apr9.1659.8671#execnet> ken.halfon@execnet.com (ken halfon) writes:

>    I was wondering if anyone had an explanation of the symbolism of the
>egg on the Seder plate?

To which warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) replied:
WB>The egg and the shankbone each symbolize one of the sacrifices that
WB>were brought on Pesach, the shankbone symbolizes the Paschal sacrifice
WB>and the egg the "Hagiga" or holiday sacrifice.  Every man had to bring
WB>a Hagiga, it had to be brought sometime during Pesach but could be
WB>brought on Erev Pesach and eaten at the Seder.

WB>Some families also eat hard-boiled eggs dipped in salt-water (the one
WB>on the Seder plate is roasted, but it's usually hard-boiled first, I
WB>think a raw egg would explode if roasted).  This probably symbolizes
WB>the destruction of the Temple, which happened on Tisha B'Av, which
WB>always falls on the same day of the week as the first day of Pesach.

WB>Lots of people get all the way up to the meal and get confused because
WB>the hard-boiled egg is not mentioned in the Haggadah.  "when do we eat
WB>the egg" is the fifth question at many Seders.  The answer (at least
WB>everywhere that I have been where eggs were eaten), is "after the
WB>sandwich".

Warren,

    Thank you for your response. I have archived it for later use. For
years I have heard as many explanations as there are people :) Thank
you for yours!

                                                         ->>> KEN <<<-
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From: unterspa@novavax.UUCP (Diane Unterspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: meat at pesach
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:15:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

laws. In sephardic homes it is the custom to have roast lamb at the
seder. in askenasic homes it is frowned upon as something to be
reserved only after the restoration of the Temple.
Similarly the prohibition against eating beans, buts and rice in
askenazic homes is not observed by the sephardic. 
How do ashkenazic jews reconcile putting walnuts in their harosetz
while they forbid peanuts?
By the way I have a fantastic recipe for harosetz (apricots dates and
figs) if anyone wants it...

Dinah from Denver
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 21:04:15 EDT
From: Rudolph A. Habesch <RHABESC@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Students Assaulted

It is interesting how Muslims/Arabs are considered anti-semetic
whereas Arabs are definitely semites!!!

I am not desputing that the assault on the jewish studentsis an
act of ignorance and of violation of their rights and persons, I
just wanted to draw attention to that point.
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Students Assaulted
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:35:47 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <slater.703473730@envius> slater@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Slater) writes:
>Rudolph A. Habesch <RHABESC@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>>It is interesting how Muslims/Arabs are considered anti-semetic
>>whereas Arabs are definitely semites!!!
>
>	And it is interesting that you could post such a stupid remark without
>even consulting a dictionary!!!
>
>From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>  anti-Semitism (ntI'semItIz(&schwa.)m). [f.  ANTI- [1 ] 7 + SEMITISM. ]
>  Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews.  Hence anti-
>  'Semite, one who is hostile or opposed to the Jews; anti-Se'mitic a.
>    1881 Athenum 3 Sept. 305/2 The author, apparently an anti-Semite. 1881
>  Athenum,  3 Sept. 305/2 Anti-Semitic literature is very prosperous in
>  Germany. 1882 Athenum 11 Feb.  184/1 In these days of anti-Semitism.
>  1935 Economist 24 Aug. 366/1 The Nazi Party stalwarts..have all been
>  leading an anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Protestant..crusade. 1941
>  J. S. HUXLEY Uniqueness of Man ii. 50 Germanic nationalism on the one
>  hand and anti-Semitism on the other.
>
>The creator of the term, a Frenchman in the 1870s, wanted a scientific way
>to describe irrational hate towards Jews.  At that time, the only semites
>he knew of were Jews (clearly Jews are not "white" Europeans).  Hence the
>poorly chosen term.
>
I already discussed the above subject on scj. I realize that the dictionary
differentiate between semites and anti-semitism. However some people just
join the two words "anti" and "semites" and interprate it as anti-jew or
anti-arab before consulting the dictionary.

I don't see any reason why this makes you angry. So someone thought that 
anti-semite means anti-arab. Where is the insult? Does it make you feel
better if someone uses "Against-semite" to interpret it as arab or jew
hater and leaves the word "anti-semite" for jews only?

Nabil 

>>I am not desputing that the assault on the jewish studentsis an
>>act of ignorance and of violation of their rights and persons, I
>>just wanted to draw attention to that point.
>
>	Mazel Tov!  You are about the 50,000th person to have noticed this.
>It doesn't change a thing.
>
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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:54:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <9204151341.AA10341@robocop.NYU.EDU> baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) writes:
>The explanation I have heard about this is that kitniot are things which can be
>piled like "Official Jewish" grains (oats, wheat, rye, barley, spelt).  This
>includes corn, rice, peanuts, etc.  Why this includes string beans, I don't 
>know.

My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that string beans are *not*
kitniyot and may be eaten on Pesach because they aren't really "beans".  (I
don't like them anyway, so it's moot for me!)
   Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger)
Subject: Pesach/Secretaries Week
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:55:00 GMT

	This question is hardly world-shaking compared to other topics 
in this forum but....
	I'm not sure, but I keep hearing reports that the week of
April 20-24 is going to be National Secretaries Week -- this year, the
same week as Pesach.  Now the usual method of observance is to take
the secretary out to lunch sometime during the week, but eating out
during Pesach is basically impossible. Anyone have any suggestions? 

Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:52:31 -0400 
From: Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Correction: Chalav Yisrael Post
	<1992Apr12.140519.1@agri.huji.ac.il>
Distribution: world

Numerous people have asserted that it is possible, albeit unlikely, that
some grain would end up in the milk as the cows are fed while being
milked.  Still, as milk is not water, wouldn't milk fall into the
category of "mei peirot" as far as chametz is concerned?  Thus, even if
grain and milk mixed, the result would not be true chametz and the issur
is only a lav (poskim differ about the seriousness of the lav - this is
the same lav applied to egg matzot), and not karet.  It just seems
excessive to me to rule out all dairy products on the very remote chance
that one may be over on a lav. 

Hag Sameach,

Sandy
From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Re: Question to Miracle Analysts
Reply-To: horen@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:40:27 PDT

In article 5846@tc.cornell.edu, bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>I have a question for competent miracle analysts:
>
>	Do you consider Arafat's plane crash a miracle ? I mean the
>fact that only he survived and all the other died. Is it a sign from
>G-d that Israel should consider negotiating peace with him ?
>
>Just wondering.
>

Miracle? No. Sign to Israel? No.

I think that it was a message directed to Arafat, himself, that he should
start travelling by regular commercial carrier, in order to earn those
Frequent-Flyer miles.

Do you think he'd've crashed if he'd been flying in a 747? Hell, no! And he
could have paid for an economy-class ticket and then upgraded to first-class!!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:32:33 GMT

mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.200532.23604@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>>I don't have any particularly strong opinions on the ethical aspects of
>>the matter. But aren't there more clever -- and more effective --
>>themes for a counter-demonstration than just drowning the bastards out? 

>Nothing like a little constructive criticism, eh? :-)

>So make a suggestion, Lenore! You might have a hard time finding
>something preferable.

>A good sheet burning might be effective, but somehow I think it'd be
>less popular.
>--Mark

As a matter of fact I did think of a suggestion. What about inviting
some comedians to the counterdemonstration -- really good ones. It would of
course be ideal if you could get Eddie Murphy or Rosanne Barr but there
are plenty of unknown Eddies and Rosannes around too (who I suspect
would love the publicity). 

What they would do with the KKK would be sort of like what my cat would
do with a baby rat, if she could get away with it. 

And you would get a lot of attendance; and the young people in the
audience would come away thinking the Klan was ridiculous, not 
glamorously evil. And you would not lose any inch of moral high
ground to those despicable assholes.

Good luck!
Lenore Levine

P.S. Just don't take Henny Youngman -- please! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Jewish standards
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:16:33 GMT

In article <3964@shum.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@shum.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>
>|> Do you like to know what kind of terrorists activities committed at "DER YASSIN"?
>
>We all agree that it was a bad and sad event. 
>The problem is that these things that are rare and against jewish values
>are far more commen and more accepted among our hatefull neighbors.
>-- 
>

I am considered to be your hateful neighbour. Actually, I am your closest neighbour because
my father and mother lived in Haifa prior to 1948.

We are human being just like you are. We are even the descendant of Abraham, we are 
Semites. We don't like violence or killing. The circumstances and the misery and 
poverty that was imposed on us forced us to do the undesirable.

If anybody should have pitty on us, it should be you because you put us in this 
situation. May be it is time to become unhateful neighbours.

Nabil
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Distasteful
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Apr15.150303.29273
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Originator: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM

>Most distasteful

> Nick


There is no call for this rude statement.

Nabil
From: dkeller@ndlvax.enet.dec.com (Dom Y. Keller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Help !!! Passover (Pesach) pic. or image file needed
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:11:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

-Message-Text-Follows-

 I'm scouting for a nice Passover picture or image file...f.ex. a Seder
 plate ....

 Pls reply via E-mail,  Thanks

 L'hit

 Dom Keller
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:54:22 GMT

In article <3827@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
|> It is written in the Talmud :
|> 
|>  YESH CHOCHMA BAGOYIM - TAAMIN  !
|> 

Did you forget to type the letter U ?   (*)

|>  The egg symbolizes the Hagiga sacrify. That Sacrify was eaten befor
|> the passover lamb in order not to eat the lamb while one is hungry.

(Serious tone now) The thing that bothered me is why, if there is such 
a simple and ancient reason, would so many great Rabbis had to come up 
later with different ideas (e.g., strength of the Jews? continuous nature 
of life? symbol of mourning? liberation from Egypt ? dawn of life?).
  Here is yet another idea : The hard boiled egg stands for the hard work 
that our fathers endured in Egypt (and thus the salt water symbolizes 
their sweat :-)

Have a Kosher Pesach

--  Boaz

(*) After the first word. 

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