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From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:32:53 GMT

In article <Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>I asked you guys to tell me your voting experience. It sounds wonderful
>to me. If your story is true, I will proudly tell others that I too,
>have voting right, at least if I go back to China.

	I don't understand what kind of stories that can convince you 
but I will give a try.  It is up to you to decide if it is true,
though.

	Back in 1980, I was not old enough to vote, but a big election
was going on.  In Peking University (Beida).  About two dozen candidates,
mostly students, were competing for two seats in HaiDian district. 
The campaign was as hot as it is here in US, although we did not have
as much money to spare.  (But we did have our own media, serious and
tabloid reporters, background checks and rumors, you name it...)
Since I was not eligible at the time, I tried to push as many older 
classmates to vote as I could.  

	Mr. Hu Ping, now a famous d-fighter in NYC, won the election,
based mainly on his now-famous essay "On the Freedom of Speach".
Wang Juntao and Zhang Wei, then President of Beida Student government
had a run-off for the second seat, but neither of them achieved
majority hence the second seat was unfilled.  Hu Ping was the sole
winner.  Wang played a radical role, denoucing Culture Revolution
and Mao, which proved to be too far ahead of time and costed his
chance.  But he ended up as one of the most respected candidates.
(Two other candidates in that election are now also in China Spring:
Ding Chu (Fan Zhiyuan) and Yu Dahai).

	Four years later in 1984, another big election came along on
schedule and I came to be old enough to vote.  But this time there
were very few people campaign for the seats and I was not happy
about it so I thought about not voting at all.  Unfortunately at
the time, the school authority was trying to make the voting
turn-out rate be higher than four years ago so there was a hush
effort to drive people to vote.  Our department party secretary
came to our dorm at 11:30pm, half an hour before the closing time,
to make a personal appeal for us to vote.  So we complied and
I showed him that I had voted a blank ticket (abstain).

	There had been other smaller elections then.  I came to US
in 1986.

	In 1988, another election year, Prof. Li Shuxian, wife of
the famous Prof. Fan Lizhi, won the same seat Hu Ping held.
This victory came shortly after Fan was oustered from CCP and
lost his official post at USTC.

>We humble people can do nothing, but to tell the truth. But I only
>tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
>feel insulted. Simply tell your story.

	Make sure you do have the truth before you tell, then.


    Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: What a joke! (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 23:31:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.190017.15783@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau) writes:
>Hello netter,
>
>      My grammar has errors that one reason, I am deaf person.  I has
>hard time to learn in English grammar, but I am good at reading and
>write word by word.  In fact: Most of deaf people has problem with
>English.  If English is your second language, you may has problem
>with English.  I learned sign language when I was young, but I learn
>English later.  English is my second language.  I can't speak any
>language.  If grammar is error, then sound will be funny.  I can't hear
>anything.
>
>      I hope you will understand this message.  I don't worry about the
>grammar.  I am worry about communication with someone.  :-)
>
>Have a nice day!
>Your friendly user,
>Jeramey Rambeau  (Male)
>
Thank you Mr. Rambeau, you taught me a good lesson.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:36:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.142347.22123@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu  
(Xuejun Yang) writes:
> In article <0eyOs9K00Uzx84N=BV@andrew.cmu.edu> Rikiya Asano  
<ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Mr. Xiao,
> >
> >             Are you crazy? Who are the "slaves" that you are referring
> >to? Are you calling my friends "slaves"? Shame on you, if this is true.
> >You sound like a redneck up there in Indiana. Come back down to earth!
> 
> I think Mr. Li is one of those people with very low self-esteem and
> unsure of one's position in other people's minds. He is an extreme
> example of the saying " The grass is always greener on the other side
> of the fence" phenomenon. He mixed up formality with reality. I
> just hope he could grow up and as you correctly said come back down
> to earth.
> 

Your comment is too harsh. From Prof. Li's posts, one can clearly see that he  
loves China. The only difference is the way Prof. Li chooses to express his  
love towards China. To me, although his comments sometimes sound a little  
extreme, his posts are much better than those of who only know blindly praise  
China enthusiastically.

Let me give you an analogy: Assume a group of people were talking about cars. 
One person praised his Lexus, another commented on his BMW and Prof. Li said "I  
am sorry I have nothing to praise". However, his comment made his friend from  
China angry because Prof. Li did not praise their 1978 Toyota Tercel. Then the  
friend went on praising how reliable and how fuel-efficient and how cheap to  
mentain the 1978 Tercel which runs OK (to his standard). 

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29715 talk.politics.china:2502
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Nov5.220918.3656
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

In article <Bx9HM0.22E@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.180301.9523@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>
>>I did not want get involved in this kind of thing, but I feel 'forced'
>>to as a 'Chinese'. Why should all chinese people feel shamed when
>>a perticuplar guy feel shamed on a perticular issue? 
>
>On this particular issue, it is a shame. No you don't have to feel
>the same way as I do. You could be proud of that. But many people are
>not proud of not having the voting right. American women and blacks did
>not have voting right before, but they were not proud of that and
>they fought, they won it. Those American are D-fighters too.
>
Yeha, you are the greates man in the world. Today you can decide who
should feel shamed on what issue, tomorrow you can decide who should
die. Great fighter.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30263 soc.culture.taiwan:15286
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Reverse traffic
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:03:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin


Years ago, Norm brought up this subject. Many people thought that was
merely a joke. God never be able to bless you. The reverse logic may not
work all the time. Normal people should not drive in the reverse direction.

God, the reverse traffic does happen. There were a TV traffic class to
provide people better idea when the odd happens. It was suggested that
people move car to the shoulder or road side to let the reverse motorist 
pass, so to avoid car collision.

I was on my way home in a dark evening. I usually have to make a 180 
degree direction reverse at the freeway exit/interchange. I noticed
the other side of street is closed due to road work at the intersection
of 101 and the 1st Street of San Jose. When I moved my car close to
the intersection, a brand new car was moving toward me in the reverse
direction. I let the car pass, so as the others in the outter lanes.
The driver looked like 60 something old lady with eyegalsses. She drove
slowly when she was in the reverse direction, and she was not caught
buy police. Passing in front of me, the lady tried to dirve off the road
to shop. She speeded up as she saw everybody yielded for her.

I was thinking how odd that happened in the heavy traffic area. Just in
second, "Duan" noise shocked many drivers, the brand new expensive car
was hit in the middle section on passenger side door. It is wrecked by
a NISSAN Z240 racing car.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: S13Y000 <S13Y@UNB.CA>
Subject: HELP
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:35:43 GMT


Hi there,

Is any one know how to post E-mail to China?

Thanks.

Y.W.
From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why the x@!#*! do we curse so much?
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:39:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.6NOV199222391517
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

> (deleted)
>--- The pop culture made me do it theory
>--- The dirty words as power theory
>--- The stressed-out society theory
>--- The retreat from formality theory
>--- The dirty words as verbal shortcut theory
>--- The nobody says it's wrong theory
>--- The scc culture made me do it theory
>--- The constitutional right theory
>--- The someone else started it theory
>--- The silence equals consent theory
>--- The silence equals surrender theory
>--- The combat poison with poison theory
>--- The to tolerate evil is to abet it theory
>--- The return in kind theory
>--- The pressure to resolve who's wrong/right theory
>--- The white/black/no-middle-ground theory
>--- The unwilling/unable to dissolve difference theory
>--- The miscommunication theory
>--- The language barrier theory
>--- The upbringing theory
>--- The measure others' corn with one's own bushel theory
>--- The daughter-in-law makes mother-in-law theory
>--- The suppressed turns lawless theory
>--- The victim turns villain theory
>--- The I-am-the-law personality theory
>--- The personal taste theory
>--- The fun in teasing theory
>--- The showing off theory
>--- The vent-pipe theory
>--- The you made me angry theory
>--- The nobody knows me anyway theory
>--- The duel personality theory
>--- The Freud theory
>--- The high on drug theory
>--- The being sick theory
>--- The immature theory
>--- The wrong theory
> 
>(deleted) 
>PS: I found scc much more enjoyable these days, probably due to the
>illusion created by my filters.  However, one message on somebody's
>ownership of a company did break through.  I have yet to figure out
>what tricks that author played on me or on my filters.

Agree. That's why I am so grateful to a friend of mine who introduced me to
this group. You can have fun and,at the same time learn and practice here.
I've felt much better with writing in English now,compared with not even
like to write in Chinese before.I also learned a lot of things,although most 
them were presented here in applications of the thories you mentioned above.
Can I say your post belongs to "scc made me do it theory" and "show off
theory" ?
I used your 'the fun in teasing theory",and one of my own:"Cancel and 
displacement theory"(I deleted many of your igeneous sentences and rearranged
it for my own use)
From: ma@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:01:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu>, shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
> Shame on you, godless Chinese!
> 
> When you do NOT have God in your heart,
> 
> 	you think Mao Zedong your God;
>         you think Deng Xiaoping your God;
>         you think CCP your God;
>         you think KMT your God;
>         you think China your God;
>         you think the 5000-year-history your God;
>         you think Confucius your God;
>         you think your family your God;
>         you think yourself your God;
>         you think your ancestor your God;
>         you think your brother your God;
>         you think your wife your God;
>         you think your son your God;
>         you think your girlfriend your God;
>         you think your friend your God;
>         you think money your God;
>         you think your job your God;
>         you think your Ph.D. degree your God;
>         you think your knowledge your God;
>         you think America your God;
>         you think IFCSS your God;
>         you think MFN your God;
>         you think democracy your God;
>         you think economy your God;
>         you think greencard your God;
>         you think your computer your God;
>         you think your body your God;
>         you think garbage your God;
>         you think Godlessness your God.
> 
> Shame on you, godless Chinese!

Hey, what's going on? Anybody around? Please help this guy (or girl).
Look at the white saliva!
From: phsjjc@unix.cc.emory.edu (James J. Cen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Voting Rights
Date: 5 Nov 1992 21:07:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov5.185048.17156@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.
mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:

>Who have voting rights in the US? Can people who have green cards
>vote in US elections?

	Only citizens can vote.  People with green cards have NO voting rights,
Although they enjoy all other rights (and pay taxes) like voting citizens.  
There are talks of reform in this regard in some states with large recent
immigrant populations, for example, California.

>If one really wants to exercise his/her voting
>rights, can he/she arrange to vote in Chinese elections in the district
>where he/she came from?

You can't be serious.  Where are you from anyway?

>Fan

a Fan of yours :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Americans, You Must Be Jealous :-) Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:57:38 GMT

In article <Bx83H6.DyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.

No, I am not :-)  Instead, I think Americans must be jealous to us Chinese:

We don't waste millions of dollars in the election (we spent money on
CCTV and People's Daily and other propaganda means :-)

We don't waste the time on watching TV debates and the dirty stories of
candidates (OUR leaders are all crystal clean/clear so a rubber stamp
National People's Congress is more than ample :-)

We don't waste time (average 45 minutes for Americans) in polling stations
to wait in the queue and figure out how to fill the ballot (we kill more
time in political classes/sessions in schools and working units :-)

Lots of more "WE DON'T" and "Americans DO" in this regard ... :-)

>The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
>are in the hand of the non-consented few.

Wrong!  The huge country, China, are only full of MASTERs of the country
who are solely represented by the Communist Party of China :-)

>What a misery!

What a luck!  We don't have to worry anything about our country, the party
takes care of it and we just need to live like a pig being fed daily as
our party told the world that the basic human rights are the right to
survive/live :-)

>Shame on you, Chinese!

Shame on them, Americans, who have two (may be more) parties that fight
each other ruthlessly every four years, we smart Chinese has only one
party in mainland that only fights internally and never let us know /ask/
inquire what's going on inside the party/gov't unless/even something like 
June 4th happens :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.120102@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.123054.27752@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>> I disagree that the Chinese students in the US have been stereotyped
>> as all potential "terrorists". The American public is so used to these
>> types of tragedies that the fact that that time it was a Chinese student is
>> largely irrelevant. I think you're being a little paranoid. I bet if you
>> did a survey thruout the whole country, more than 80% of Americans would
>> be totally ignorant of the entire incident, never mind recall the fact
>> that the murderer/suicide was from the PRC.
>> 
>> Mark
>>

>But there are really some American stereotype Chinese in that way. I can feel
>that While I was looking for a job. I can see the fear in Americans' eyes. I 
>was always turned down politely. The reasons they gave me for not hiring me
>were
>irrelavent. Something like "overqualify". I know what they care was just I am a
>Chinese. Sometimes they declined me even before read my resume.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that there is not discrimination
against Chinese in the U.S.--I'm sure there is. I'm saying that very few
people are thinking, "This guy's got a gun and is gonna shoot me." The
discrimination you are experiencing probably has its roots elsewhere.

Mark
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:38:14 EDT
From: <3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Refugee, America, Chinese
 <92315.0931053066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <BxIruF.86M@nic.umass.edu>

In article <BxIruF.86M@nic.umass.edu>, usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J
MAZIARZ JR) says:
>
>Why don't you say prostitutes are hard-working people and deserve your
>respect?

Every human being deserve respect as human being. Criticizing with respect is a
 proper way to criticize the behavior of others. Criticizing without respect is
 personal attack, not criticizing the behavior itself.
More respect in SCC, there will be less personal attack.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>Shame on you, godless Chinese!

Gods were created in the prehistorical era of the human being. They were
somewhat useful in the progress of the civilization of human being.
However, the godful people have to claim they know everything which is
not observed by human being. This is why they have to use the word
"believe".

In contract, scientists claim they know the only thing they observed, or
fact. They use word "convince".

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:55:47 GMT


 >As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
 >The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
 >are in the hand of the non-consented few.
 >

 >What a misery!
 >
 >Shame on you, Chinese!

In China, everyone DOES HAVE voting right except
some prisoners although the voting system has not
do very well now, but as a clear Chinese, 
he/she has no any reason to be jealous to others.
I am surprised by your jealousness.
Have you forgotten an important fact that 
you are a Westernized Democracy Fighter,
who should not have any jealousness?

Shame on YOU, NOT Chinese!

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29653 soc.culture.taiwan:15110 soc.culture.hongkong:13894
From: ding@cs.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: CEDIT30 - A Chinese Word Processor
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:40:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


I have uploaded cedit30.exe.  To download,

ftp cs.pitt.edu
name: anonymous
password: guest
tenex                  (or binary - set binary mode on unix)
cd pub
cd incoming
get cedit30.exe

-- Yijun

                          WHAT IS CEDIT

"CEDIT is a very easy to use mouse based Chinese word processor.
This is its first release as a shareware product.  The current
version can be used to write a mixture of Chinese, English,
Japanese and Russian, and print on EPSON/IBM/HPJET compatible
printers.

CEDIT is distinctly different from all other Chinese word
processors by its unique mouse based input method.  Anyone who has
some knowledge of pin1yin1 should be able to use the sofeware
immediately after reading this document.  CEDIT will help you to
learn pin1yin1 as well... "
From: ifan@festival.ed.ac.uk (Shen I-Fan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Do you mind he is a virgin or not?
Summary: Difficult to tell
Keywords: Like a virgin
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:00:38 GMT


Until you have a scientific way to examine.

I-Fan
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:04:50 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <BxFFy6.46D@cs.psu.edu> anthony@phys.psu.edu (Mai Haigiu) writes:
>(delete)
>I guess you got it totally wrong here. The CCP plays the majority rule pretty
>well. CCP's decision was never made by just one person. Rather, the majority

I guess you got it totally wrong here:-(   Never mention Lao Mao:-)

>rule works. Take the '89 student movement as the example. It is not untill
>that the central bureau of politics ruled out Mr. Zhao Zhiyang's decision by
>a 3 over 2 majority poll that the Secretary General be defeated.

Nice story, but please tell us when was this voting? Before Zhao's appear in
TAMS or after that? When did Jiang Zeming arrive in BJ? When was Wan Li stopped
in Shanghai? A nominally elected leader of parliament was stopped from arriving
in the capital in such critical moment, is this majority rule working well?

In tide of China bashing, I admire you guys' good intention. But please seek
truth from facts, otherwise P-fighters cann't make them different from
D-fighters.
--
From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: E-mail to China
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:17:08 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Nov9.172022.90547@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, jim@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.024914.4535@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>> In article <05NOV92.23323072.0072@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> S13Y000 <S13Y@UNB.CA> writes:
>>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>Is any one know how to post E-mail to China?
>>>
>> 
>> Just post here!
>> 
>> Fan
>> 
> Maybe should to Post Office?
> 
> Jim
> 

China is connected to internet via Carlsruhe Institute in Germany.
However, one has to pay to send and RECEIVE e-mail in China (small by Western
standdard but expensive for Chinese), therefore, except you know someone
there and willing to pay the fee. The users there will generally not respond.
E-mail a commond place in the affluent West is a previlege in China.