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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook Rescue Disk?
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:52:22 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

In article <l9287lINN3ut@cronkite>, billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill
Courington) wrote:
> 
> I recently had the experience of my PB140 leaving its system 
> file in an inconsistent state so that it wouldn't reboot.  
> How can I make a mini-system that will fit on a diskette?  
> The real question, I guess, is how do I figure out the 
> minimal contents of a system folder?

  Somewhere on the Internet is a document outlining how to slim down your
System file by using ResEdit.  A PowerBook 170 specific System file on a
diet is about 515K, a System file for any mac is about 750K.  I don't know
where I found it, but I have it on disk so if anyone wants it I'd be glad
to email it.  Or if someone knows where it resides on the Net it would be
easier on me.

  The document is _*ONLY*_ for people who are _very_ comfortable with
ResEdit.  (i.e. Kids don't try this without parental supervision)


- Greg Talmo  (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)
  [The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarily reflect
   the opinions, tastes, or policies of Winona State University, its
   faculty, staff or students.]
From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: QuickTime Animation
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:59:46 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Thu Aug 20 13:59:44 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

In article <JkmDPB3w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
 writes:                                                                   
>horton@wente.llnl.gov (Robert Horton) writes:                     
>                                                                              
>Well, don't feel alone. QT won't run on my Mac IIcx 4/80; even with system  
>6 and NO extensions. Just dies. Hasn't _really_ bothered me yet, I just     

To reiterate, if you want to run Quicktime under system 6, you need not only
the 400K Quicktime extension, but also the 4K Quicktime INIT, which is just a
patch for system 6.  We have 6 cx's running Quicktime just fine.
King
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: HD20 case / beige front bezel wanted
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:21:30 GMT

 Hello, netland.

 I'm looking for the case of an Apple HD20 hard drive. The old one
circa 1985-86 that plugged into the floppy drive port, NOT a SCSI
drive. A dead HD20 drive would be OK too. Heck, even a living one if
the price was right.

 I'm also looking for the front bezel off a classic beige Mac.

 Since I'm looking for the cases, condition does count, I'm afraid.
Thanks!

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)

 PS: this was originally posted to comp.sys.mac.wanted. The reason I
reposted it here is in case someone out there - maybe some
institutional user with a storage room of broken hardware - might not
think to read the wanted group, thinking their stuff was worthless
anyway. Hope this doesn't bother anyone.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14983 comp.sys.mac.system:11048
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 14:57:30 MST
From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Russian Keyboard Layout?

In article <1992Aug14.001353.3144@news.stolaf.edu>,
smithc@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Christopher A. Smith) says:
>
>A co-worker of mine, a Russian linguist, is looking for a Russian
>keyboard layout for the Mac.  I mean, he would like to be able to go
>to the Keyboard Control Panel device, and choose a Russian keyboard
>setup from the list of available keyboard setups there in that
>particular device...
>
Unless you need blimpy System 7, the recent Apple Developer CDs contain
Russian System 6.0.7. It puts an icon in the upper right menu bar;
clicking on the icon will toggle back and forth between the
English keyboard and Russian keyboard. Also included are several
Cyrillic postscript fonts.

Bruce Long
Arizona State University
icbal@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: vito@well.sf.ca.us (Andris Paul Vitols)
Subject: Mac Tools Woes and Annoyances
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:20:44 GMT


I tried out Central Point's Mac Tools on two Macs today, one at work and one
at home.  I found two interesting things:

	1.) My hard disk has 2 partitions, partitioned with FWB's Hard Disk
Toolkit.  One partition is password protected and one isn't.  CP Disk Fix
couldn't analyze either of them even when both were mounted on the desktop!

	2.)  None of the CP MacTools utilities would launch with Norton
Filesaver 2.0 installed on the machines!

I used a IIsi and an LCII, both with sys 7.0 and tuneup 1.1.1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Re: First Taligent Won't Run Existing Apps
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:13:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.014443.1@vax1.umkc.edu>,
tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>
>
>So what's this say for the future or Taligent?? Will they be
>doomed if they don't ship Mac-AIX-OS/2 modules before 1996??
>Thats four years from now...roughly three after NT ships...
>or is Taligent's uniqueness going to be a strength that puts
>it in a new class and so does not need to compete with
>Microssoft el al??
>
Unfortunately, it's very bad news for Taligent. I am as much a
Microsoft-hater as the next guy and don't think NT is really going
to offer much of anything to regular users.

But it will be adopted at sites as early as first quarter of 1993.
If Taligent:OS/2 and Taligent:System 7 don't ship until 1996 the NT
installed base will be pushing eight figures at that time. I thought
that when Microsoft admitted some DOS software wouldn't run under NT
they'd be in trouble. Taligent not running anything at all? Ugh!

The flip side problem is that many potential Windows users are still
using DOS. They're not ready to bother and, besides, plenty of hot
new software is DOS based (e.g. Intuit's super-easy accounting
package QuickBooks).

Similarly, many, many Mac users are going to have System 7.x or 8.x
or whatever in 1995. It's going to have true preemptive multitasking
(whatever that means), multithreading, OCE, QuickDraw GX, QuickTime
2.x or 3.x, etc. etc. Better still, it's going to run at Warp Factor
9 on a Power PC based on the 604 chip.

Why switch will be the question on everyone's lips/minds. Taligent
may well be the best operating system ever produced for micros (as a
matter of fact, I suspect it will). But if it doesn't run MacOS and
OS/2 at first and then only runs them under emulation (a
possibility?) and therefore slows them down, it's trouble for
Taligent.

Meanwhile, while you can order an NT beta for $70 from Microsoft and
they can tell you exactly what it does and then show you, Taligent
can't/won't announce what the product will do yet, nor what it will
look like.

Taligent's only hope of market penetration falls into two
categories:

1) They lay out the details including a timetable and accelerate the
OS/2, System 7.x functionality (w/o performance penalty) to the
original intro date.

2) Apple and IBM, which could still control one-third of the
hardware market in the mid-90s, bundle the sucker with their
machines and force feed it into acceptance. Then, as with OS/2, if
it's good enough, it will make it.

I could go on all day, but instead I'll let good ol' Larry
Rosenstein (who I have respect it), fire back a volley.

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: simonm@mel.dit.csiro.au (Simon McClenahan)
Subject: Re: Gatekeeper slows down startup - the author speaks
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:02:48 GMT


In article <leo.713557915@galaxy>, leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
|> Was really *nobody* else alarmed by the sudden AfterDark startup slowdown?
|> I nearly rebooted the first time it happened 'cause I thought the Mac had
|> hung.

I've got to the stage now where if my Mac runs *slowly* ... it's normal.
I was a bit surprised when After Dark took so long... Carpetbag (a PD prog
like Suitcase) seems to take a long time as well, but that's to be expected
I guess, I don't know...

I've been blaming the slow startup on INITtracker .... but Gatekeeper?

My left Shift key has never been used so much...

--
|Simon McClenahan CSIRO, | Cray Supercomputing Support Group             |
|723 Swanston St, Carlton| (TEL) +61 3 282 2623   (FAX) +61 3 282 2600   |
|VIC 3053, Australia     | Internet:simonm@mel.dit.csiro.au              |
        Read the dictionary upside down and look for secret messages.
From: wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Boot-up Utility
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:40:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Is there a utility which will allow for the display of
all of my boot-up icons?  Like after the first row is
full, go to a second row?

Currently, after the first row is full nothing more is
displayed.  I'd like to know that everything is booting
up all right.

-- Ward Larkin
   wlarkin@panix.com
From: amundsen@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Craig Amundsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: .cpt
Keywords: help .cpt ???
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:36:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Biological Sciences, U of MN


	This is probably a FAQ, but here goes...
	I ftp'd a file (xxx.cpt.hqx), I used binhex to to get it 
	to the xxx.cpt stage, but I don't know what program to use 
	to get it out of the .cpt format. Please help an 
	ignorant user. B-)


Thanks
-- 
                  Craig Amundsen (amundsen@molbio.cbs.umn.edu)


                           <Insert Standard Disclaimer>
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How to set IIsi background to color...
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:07:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug14.170722.2488
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.


Right after I got my IIsi I downloaded some of those background pattern
control panels.  Well, they worked OK, but now that I've removed it, my
background will not go back to color; it's stuck on b/w patterns.

Any ideas?

-Brent
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: nardy@llnl.gov (Dominic P. Nardy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Out of Memory Error
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:23:25 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Laboratory

I have a Mac IIsi with 17Mb of RAM. Lately I have been getting an error
message telling me I am out of memory.  It further tells me to close some
windows or exit some applications in order to free up some memory.  I have
been getting this error when I have as much as 12.5 MB of memory available.
 This error has prevented me from trashing items or emptying trash.  

I have used Disinfectant 2.9 to scan my hard disk and it found no viruses
and no errors.

Does anyone know why this error could be occurring?
From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:30:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Does anyone know what price range Newton is expected to enter at, and when?

I'm trying to decide whether to get a $900 PB100 -- if Newton will be
competitive with this and will be out in the next six months I will
wait for it, otherwise I'll go for the PB.

-- 
 ________________________________________________________________________
|   John      jfw@neuro.duke.edu          Duke University Medical Center |
| Whitehead   jfw@well.sf.ca.us           Department of Neurobiology     |
|________________________________________ Durham, North Carolina ________|
From: gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com (Larry Gilmore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: HD floppies with Plus?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:44:15 GMT
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA

In article <4477@news.duke.edu> jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang) writes:
>In article <BsvpI4.Cyp@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:
>>My dad got me a whole bunch of Sony HD disks, but I don't have a FDHD(?)
>>What should I do with them? Can I use only 800k worth of them?
>>
>>thanks
>>mike
>
>No.  You might be able to get 400K out of (format 1 sided).  But I think the
>tracks are out of phase for 800K.
>
>Sorry, kiddo :(

Wrong.  They can be formatted to 800K, I've done it out of necessity.
They may be a little flaky, since the formulation is different from
the 800k disks.  I'll trade you 800Ks, 1 for 1...   B^)

-- 
Larry A. Gilmore             Internet: gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com
TRW SEDD, DH1/2849
P.O. Box 6213                Phone:    (310)764-3318
Carson, CA 90746             Fax:      (310)764-3946
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon)
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: NASA GSFC Code 534.3
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.225015.18607@sagpd1>, bberqu@sagpd1 () writes:
> 
> In article <713019614.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Dan.Hughes@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Hughes) writes:
> > This is a really tedious argument. "Macs cost too much,etc." going on 
> > for what must be 1,000 messages. If you think Macs cost too much BUY 
> > a F***ing Clone for Christ sakes and shut the F*** up.
> > 
> 
> Ya I agree, and what the F**** are all these pc lovers doing in this news 
> group anyways, go back to comp.sys.ibm.
> 
> BB

Mac users are also complaining.  Macweek has even taken the stand that
Macs cost too much:

   "What can Apple do to respond? For the long haul, the right answer
   is to stick to the strategy the company already is pursuing:
   developing innovative software that reinforces the Mac advantage,
   making it easier for Mac users to fit into enterprise networks, and
   accelerating development of the PowerPC Macs.
      But in the short run, significant price cuts are overdue, and
   this time they should start at the top of the line."

   -excerpt from editorial in MacWeek 8/10/92, p.48.

Sang J. Moon

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14755 comp.sys.mac.hardware:15204
From: sharris@chopin.udel.edu (Scott A Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboards for the Mac?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:32:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug13.043950.15334@news.columbia.edu> peller@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Adam Peller) writes:
>I'm about to invest in a new Mac and I despise the cheesy keyboards
>Apple is selling these days :-(
>
>Since I'm also about to take the plunge and attempt to learn the
>Dvorak keyboard, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company
>that makes a decent keyboard in the Dvorak configuration.
>
>If not, 1) are there any decent QWERTY 3rd-party keyboards out there
>(not necessarily IBM-like with unnecessary PF keys and such,
>just a simple, solid keyboard) and 2) are there any PD utilities
>to rearrange the Mac keyboard for Dvorak?  (probably just a keymap
>layout file, right?  I suppose I could make it up myself...)
>
>Thanks
>
>Adam Peller
>peller@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
>
>
>


There is a keyboard layout available that will make the standard keyboard
act like the dvorak keyboard.  All you have to do is install it in your
mac and then change to it.  Other than that I don't know of any keyboard
swaps that might also change the letters.

Scott


-- 
Scott Harris
sharris@chopin.udel.edu
From: rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: QuickMail Contact
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:56:21 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

In article <1992Aug18.123740.24665@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes:
>I'm beginning to have problems with an appletalk network with 12 macs.   
>We have a central server (SE30) with 100mbyte hard drive and 4 mbyte  
>memory.  We run it as a file server and as a QuickMail server.  Now,  
>people are often not allowed to log into their QuickMail or it takes a  
>very long time.
>
>Do I need more cpu cycles, more memory?  Things got worse under 7.1 and  
>the new version of QuickMail.
>
>Does anyone have a contact for QuickMail?  Advice?

Have you tried calling CE Software?  The phone is a wonderful tool.......

I believe there is a problem using QuickMail with an Etherneted SE/30 (you
didn't mention how it was networked) where the interupts get confused.

I know CE does have an email address though UUNET;  I've seen messages from
it on the QM-L bitnet mailing list about Quickmail.

CESOFTWARE@applelink.apple.com might work, if I remember their Applelink
address and they haven't turned it off.  I would still recommend the phone,
though.

Bob
-- 
Bob Snyder, Computing Services, GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs
rsnyder@atl.ge.com, (609) 866-6672, FAX: (609) 866-6397, DialComm 8*777-6672
From: mccarty@vmser.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Gifconverter 2.3b1
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:53:27 GMT
Reply-To: mccarty@vmser.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I was having the same problem on my IIci with jpg's getting 'cut off'.  It's
definitely a gifconverter problem - the files display fine with pictpixie on the
mac, and with xv running on a vms workstation.  but hey it's a beta release
so kinda expect problems.
			-bret
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PowerBook Rescue Disk?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:10:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

I recently had the experience of my PB140 leaving its system 
file in an inconsistent state so that it wouldn't reboot.  
How can I make a mini-system that will fit on a diskette?  
The real question, I guess, is how do I figure out the 
minimal contents of a system folder?

BILL COURINGTON

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kharri@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Karl Harrison)
Subject: Re: Gifconverter 2.3b1
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.122601.16480@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf) wrote:
> 
> I got GifConverter 2.3b to run on a Powerbook 100, but it didn't load pictures 
> (all I get is a garbled pattern, not even a bitmap of a GIF!).  Not only that, 
> but on my IIci, if I load in a GIF larger than screen-size and try to save it 
> as JPEG, the lower parts of the GIF get cut off in the JPEG file.  Well, it IS 
> a beta version, no?
> 
> Bob

On our IIci we found that reading in a JPEG file, the bottom portions would
be cut off.
From: Kip.Kippley@macnet.omahug.org (Kip Kippley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: RE: Alarm with sound
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:56:56 CST
Reply-To: kip.kippley@macnet.omahug.org
Organization: Macnet Omaha
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc

Y'C> Hi, I'm trying to find a alarm program that actually tries to warn you of
Y'C> impeding disaster (missed meetings, burning stove, etc) with sound. Both
Y'C> Apple's clock program and SuperClock only flashes the Apple icon as the
Y'C> mean of "alarming". Any suggestions? System 7.0.1 w/Tuneup, on both IIsi
Y'C> and PB100.

Yes! The product is called "At Your Service". Phil is a digitized head who
TALKS to you and reminds you of meeting, analyses you system, tells you when
you have been working too long etc, etc. 


It's from Berkley Systems and come with other "actors". French females,
animated computers, even "The Boss" ...

                           ** Kip **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom)
Subject: Greek Letter Font Needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:29:48 GMT
Keywords: Font, Greek, Symbol

Hiho
I need a quality Greek letter font that I can use 
for scientific word processing.  The standard
"Symbol" font can NOT print in bold or italic and 
generally just looks bad.  So please, let's hear
from some knowledgable phontophile. GREEK!!??
where can I get this font???

--
chad sandstrom crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Help wanted on .sit.hqx
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:26:13 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


  I want to download some .sit.hqx programs from a UNIX machine. Problem is, I 
only have access to Term 20, a pretty basic communication program. It's asking
what the type and creator of the downloaded file are, and I have NO idea
what to answer... I have Stuffit Expander, Unstuffit Deluxe, and a couple of
other expanders (but not BinHex). Any pointers?

                                                 Dan.

--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: First Taligent Won't Run Existing Apps
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.061316.19543@morrow.stanford.edu>,
HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) wrote:
> 
> I could go on all day, but instead I'll let good ol' Larry
> Rosenstein (who I have respect it), fire back a volley.

Unfortunately, I can't talk about any details at this time.  I'm enjoying
the discussion, however.

I can correct a couple of misunderstandings:


In article <ajross.714324371@husc10>, ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew
Ross) wrote:
> 
> is my understanding that Taligent is the ONLY company doing any OS
> development for the PowerPC project.

Taligent is doing no work for the PowerPC project.  First, I think PowerPC
is the name of the hardware architecture.  What you're thinking of is
PowerOpen, which *is* an operating system.  But PowerOpen is an Apple/IBM
joint project that doesn't involve Taligent at all.


In article <ewright.714340143@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com
(Edward V. Wright) wrote:
> 
> Taligent is a joint venture to *develop* a new operating system.
> It has little or nothing to do with marketing decisions (such as
> whether to release the OS with or without a compatiblity layer),
> whcih will be made by the two respective companies.

Taligent does have a marketing department, and the company can and does
deal with the kinds of marketing decisions you talk about.  Apple and IBM
are separate companies with their own goals and marketing strategies.


Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: throop@wilder.com (Throop Wilder)
Subject: Re: File monitor monitor...
Organization: Wilder Systems/Trik Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.144655.13638@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> Rick E Romkey <rer@utrcv1.res.utc.com> writes:
>
>Does anyone know of anything out there which can act as a log
>so that I can monitor how many people have accessed my Mac's
>Shared files/foldrs.  Any other tools which deal with the
>File Sharing option under System 7 would be appreciated too!
>

We have a product called Nok Nok which does just what you want.
It also can alert you when someone logs in and figures out who
guests are. You can also disconnect users based on idle or
maximum connect time.

Nok Nok is available from MacZone for $36.

Throop