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From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those good old days (Re: Junior High)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:25:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
>and Mei3-Hsin1-Chu4 (American News Center) was indeed their library, 

Strange, all I can remember about Mei-Hsin-Chu was its bathroom.  The
perfumed air, the liquid soap, and toilet papers (imagine that!) in
each and every carrel. :-)

-Chunshi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shihtsun@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shih-tsun Alex Chou)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.001718.3341@athena.mit.edu> clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
>
>	To the best of my knowledge, Jian4-Zhon1 is the high school in 
>Taiwan that has most extracurricular associations (in my high school
>days, there were around one hundred). Every year Jian4-Zhon1's students
>hold a music concert in Dr. Sun Yeh-Sen Memorial Auditorium and present
>a state-of-the-art performance which is considered far beyond what you
>can expect from high school kids. Just to name a few. Dig deeper into
>these aspects and you will have a better idea and be able to come up
>with a more convincing argument.
>
	Right, Jian4-Jon1 has most of the talented kids of Taiwan,
in academic or music, as you said. But this is almost a sure result of 
the Entrance Exam system. 

	As you walk into those famous jam-duck classes in Taipei,
you find you are swampted by students from Jian4-Jon1 and Taipei
First Girls High. (interestingly though, usually they also have the 
privilage of sitting in the front rows.)

	As you look at the college level, I don't think you can pick
up a particular high school whose graduates are more active or more
impotant in those extracurricular associations.

	Only a few observations. It's quite interesting that those 
old-high-school-time arguements are brought up again more than ten 
years after high school graduation.

Alex Chou
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Those good old days (Re: Junior High)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:42:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.224819.2957@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.214339.19292@athena.mit.edu>, clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
>> 
>> provided a unique academic atmosphere for her students to pursue the
>> excellence. However, later on somehow a wall was built to confine the
>> campus and the atmosphere of Jian4-Zhong1 was consequently changed. 
>
>	** I don't remember things like walls. 
>	   However, it happened at the beginning of my 12th grade. School
>	   prohibited students going out of campus during school hours.
>	   That means you have to stay in school between 8 and 5. 
>	   Before that, student can go outside "anytime". Of course,
>	   the best time is during the lunch break. 

	I thought climbing over the wall is our required military
	training :-)

	As I remember, for the first two years, students need to climb
	over the wall for any business :-) Once you are in your third year,
	often you spend most of your time studying to make up for the
	past two years, you can always get a pass from the military officer
	to go out for lunch with classmates. Certainly, you need to be creative
	with your excuses; though the military officers know exactly what
	is happening (actually, I think most military officers are more fun
	than teachers; though we do have many "specially funny" teachers).

	If you are a staff in the student representative body, you can
	actually go out of school as often as possible. A classmate of
	mine was actually absent close to half of the classes for "offical
	student business". It is pretty amazing.

Yung-Kao Hsu
-----
"Hey you, stay there and wait for me to come down" shouted a military
officer on the 3rd floor of Min-Dau Lou to a student who was climbing over
the wall.
			--- from my memory of funny moments 

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From: slqh8@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr8.012310.54291
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr8.003446.16021@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
> In article <92098.175400WSCHEN@twnmoe10.edu.tw>, Wen-Sung Chen <WSCHEN@twnmoe10.edu.tw> writes:
> <
> <      The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan
> <              Republic of China (1991-1996) 
> <The outstanding economic achievements won by the government of the
> <Republic of China on Taiwan over the past 40 years
> 
> What "economic achievements" has the GOVERNMENT of the so-called "ROC"
> in Taiwan made?!  I can't think of one.
> 
> <have been
> <termed an "economic miracle" by people all over the world,
> 
> Not by me.  But I approve of the quotation marks.
> 
> <and the
> <"Taiwan experience" is widely admired and emulated by other
> <developing countries.
> 
> Name one.
> 
> <Along with our rapid economic growth,
> <however, have come a number of imbalances and disjunctions which
> <are reflected with particular severity as defects in the areas of
> <transportation, environment, social order, culture, and leisure
> <activities.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> <We have compiled this little booklet to help our own people and
> <our friends around the world
> 
> What "friends around the world" does the so-called "ROC" have?  Good ole
> South Africa and south Korea--that's about all.  And I certainly wouldn't want
> to call those sleazes my only friends.
> 
> 					--Scott
>
********************************************************************************
Many years ago, there was a writer named Lu3 Hsun4.  He construced a funny
guy named Ar1 Q.  Ar1 Q was an optimistic man.  People insulted him, beated
him.  But he didn't care because he thought he replied them in the mind and
enjoied it.  He was frustrated by the dramatic progressing world.  But he
didn't care because he just simply blinded his eye by hand.
It's a funny story.
There are many way to disappear economic maracle in Taiwan.  From above 
story, I learn, the simplest way is that blind my eye by hand.
Hmmm, good idea!


--Chao-hsing Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: Re: ++++The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, R.O.C.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:14:55 GMT

thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:

>In article <12059@tamsun.tamu.edu> hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
>>One suggestion for you, next time you'd better say 5-day PC, 3-week 
>>scanner about Taiwan. It is more convincing.

>It's kind of improvement, but fundamentally, these industries are all
>low-tech labor intensive ones.  The capital is expensive in for most
>enterprises in Taiwan due to the conservative bank policies.  Therefore,
>R&D is really low.  Taiwan is still essentially an assembly island
>importing parts, license, and export under OEM contracts.  Taiwan's
>economy is still a dependent economy with technology dependency, market
>dependency, parts dependency, low-wage dependency, etc.  This is one
>topic of Taiwan independence that we usually do not see.
	I don't know...you might be a little outdated...  The Acer Corp. 
	released their 80386 computer 2 days after the Compaq Corp. did in
	1986...you call that low tech huh?  The fact is that Taiwan can 
	menufacture a much greater number of parts for its own industries today.
	For instance, with all the computer parts being made there, making 
	low cost personal computers is easy because most of the parts don't
	even have to be imported.  The above was paraphrased from a Korean 
	corporation CEO.  He even noted that S. Korea doesn't have the ability
	Taiwan has now in the high tech industry.  Still, Hyndai, Gold Star,
	Samsung, etc. are still pretty impressive.
	
>Tze-yau Huang

Steve Chen, dude raised in Kaohsiung...:)
University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM
Subject: Re: NON-POLITICAL Gin1 Young's novels
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 16:19:30 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

I believe it is in the Ming Dynasty based on the following reasons:
 1. Wu Dang was founded in the late Yuan Dynasty. By the end of the Yi Tien
    Tu Long Ji, the Yuan Dynasty was almost over. Since Wu Dang Pai was already
    very mature in Xiao Au Jiang Hu, it has to be no earlier than the Ming
    Dynasty. 
 2. Er2 May2 was founded in the Yuan Dynasty by Guo1 Shian1
    (Guo1 Jing4's second daughter) at her age of 40. In Yi Tien Tu Long Ji,
    the CEO of Er2 May2, Mieh4 Gueh2 (Killing-All) Dau4 Jang3, was the 3rd or
    4th generation of Guo1. In Xiao Au Jiang Hu, the CEO, Jing1 Guan1 (Golden
    Light) Shang4 Zen2 (Up Man), was never mentioned in Yi Tien Tu Long Ji,
    therefore, he can't exist in the Yuan Dynasty. Also, in Xiao Au Jiang Hu,
    Er2 May2 has changed from a pure female Pai into Co-ed, I assume this kind
    of change didn't take only a few years to accomplish :-).
 3. The inserted drawings in the novel show no pigtails on men's hair. Therefore,
    it doesn't look like in the Ching Dynasty, either. Of course, these drawings
    were added by someone else.
 4. I think the strongest clue came from the story early in the novel: Liu2
    Jeng4 Feng1 washed his hand using the gold pot. The execuse that he used to
    explain why he wanted to retire was because he received an offer from the
    government (the actual reason was because his best friend, Chu1 Yang2, was
    in Mo2 Jiaw4). I remember seeing some article saying that the name of that
    govermental position was only used in the Ming Dynasty, or more precisely,
    was not used in the Ching Dynasty. Also, if I remember it correctly, they
    called the emperor One4 Suay4 (10,000 years), which was used in the Ming
    Dynasty. In the Ching Dynasty, I believe people called their emperors
    Huang2 Shang4.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Rents in Taipei
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:00:39 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <74205@netnews.upenn.edu>, vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like I will be in Taipei for a year starting this September,
> studying Chinese at either Shida or Taida.  I was just wondering if
> anyone could let me know what rent is like in the areas around those
> two Universities?  For example, how much to rent a single room with
> a shared bathroom?  Two years ago I paid 5000 NT a month for a room
> in the apartment of a family living near Shida - does anyone know
> whether I should expect to pay more now?

	** I know the time is different. However, I am still amazed
	   by the price-jack.

	   When I studied in CKU, Tainan, my room rent was NT150.
	   When I married at Taipai, my rent for the whole floor
	   of a median-large apartment was NT2,000

	   Am I really so old? That is ridiculous.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.edu (J. Hsiang)
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:33:47 GMT

In article <Apr.14.11.36.18.1992.24526@math.rutgers.edu> lko@math.rutgers.edu (lko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.061927.24882@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>
>> PS: you might doubt about the correctness of the translation I made
>> above, if so, please read "China Times Weekly Feb. 16th to Feb. 22nd",
>> American Edition, page 36 to 38, title "DPP is in favor of maintaining
>> Taiwan's present state", sub-title "interview of DPP chairman - Hsu,
>> Hsin-liang".
>
>   
>    China Times, one of the two newspapers grew to a giant during
>the last several decades of ban on newspapers, is not where I take
>the headlines seriously.

I read in both the Independent Weekly News and in The Journalist (Xin xinwen)
that Hsu, while predicting a victory for DPP in the forthcoming election,
talked about changing the election strategy from advocating TI to
concentrating more on democratization and domestic issues.  He also said
that the failure of the last election was due to the advocation of TI,
which "alienated the middle class".


>Didn't KMT issue a warning that DPP would 
>be disbanded if it did not remove its ROT resolution? Didn't both 
>Hsu and Huang, the current and the former chairman of DPP, stand 
>by their party's decision and refuse to yield to the threat? Don't
>you think these don't go well with the picture you tried to present?
>

Of course Hsu and Huang didn't budge under KMT pressure.  It is a matter
of principle and it also concerns the integrity of DPP as a party.
But apparently he did realize that making TI the focal point will not
lead to the goal of becoming government party.  So he shelved TI for the
moment.  Lucky for Taiwan, Hsu is too intelligent to have an irreversible
ideological hang-up like many of the people on the net.  

>
>lehhun

Ms. lko, you have been away from Taiwan for too long to see that Taiwan
is not such a polarized society as you remember. If you really care about
Taiwan, why not spend some time (say a year) there?  Then maybe you can get
some better perspective and find something more substantial to argue about.
With your qualification, I'm sure you can find a reasonable job there.
Why not give it a try?
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Yeun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 13:09:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr16.192034.20383@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
- If TI is your solution, then fine.  To me the solution is a democratic
- Taiwan. 

If you try to imply that we put TI ahead of democracy, then, I want
to tell you that you are wrong.

To make a long statement short, I would say that we consider both the
democracy and the independent state equally important in guaranteeing a 
long term welfare and security for the people of Taiwan.   We believe
that both of them can be pursued and achieved at the same time.  In fact,
due to the special political and diplomatic situation, many of us
believe that, unless the independent statehood of Taiwan can be
officially recognized by the constitution, no true democracy can be
achieved.

In article <1992Apr16.192034.20383@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
- Since neither of us is in the position to do anything, our
- solution doesn't really count that much.

Please speak for yourself only.   How do you know that I am not ?
Just because I am currently in the U.S. ?  :-) :-)

In article <1992Apr16.192034.20383@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
- I also know a number of TI people personally.  The only one I can be
- certain of who has solely the welfare of people in mind is Chen Ju.
- I'm not saying that the others don't.  I'm just saying that it is not
- entirely clear to me.  It's not so difficult for the opposition party
- to "live up to their belief".  The true test is to see what they do
- when they have power.

The above statement is very different from what Mr. Hsiang said in his 
previous article in which he said that DPP politicians only concern about 
the current political power.

In article <1992Apr16.192034.20383@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
- Sigh, does one HAVE to choose side?  Does the world have to be so binary?

In the issue of TI, you have three choices, "Yes", "No" or "Don't care".
Yes, you still have to take side.
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From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr9.180501.13730
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Apr9.042442.4494@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>What the hell are you talking about?  The ROC was a legal (though corrupt,
>inept, and very ineffective) government of Taiwan and the rest of China
>for about forty years, in the first half of this century. 
>
Just curious, have the ROC state been the legal government of Taiwan for
about forty years in the first half of this century?

>Hands up, all who think that the PRC is following the so-called "Taiwan
>experience".  Anyone?  Come on, there must be at least one or two of you
>out there who harbour such a ridiculous notion.
>
>					--Scott
The duplication of "Taiwan experience" is neither desirable nor
feasible.

Tze-yau Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:15:38 CDT
From: <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
 <1992Apr15.001718.3341@athena.mit.edu> <1992Apr15.161933.18652@SSD.intel.com>
 <1992Apr16.000655.2632@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

In article <1992Apr16.000655.2632@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
jc2d@newton.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jyh-ching Chang) says:
........ lines deleted ..............~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>      I'm sorry for you if all you'd done in your high school life was
>  just cramming yourself with those standard text book for the entrance
>exam.   Actually, I developed my reading interest about literature and
>philosophy at the time of "Green Garden", though I was a student in group
>A.  And, I know most of my fellow had their own interest.  I guess the
>reason somebody got the impression of "studying machine" for Bai-Iers
>is that there are alwayse so many things for us to do, so we picked up
>every minutes to study.  So, you can see those dressed in green uniforms
>memorizing vocabulary at the bus stop.  Sometimes we used " I have to
>study " to reject those nonsence tisturbances, too. :)
>
     You remind me two things about Bei3-Yau1-ers:

     First, they (well, again, some of them) always carried a book in their
     hands and it seemed that they were memorizing the material so hard,  no
     matter wether they were waiting for the bus, in the bus, sit or walk,
     all the time, anytime,  anywhere, everywhere,   .....

     Second, almost everyday when I took the bus Lin2-Don1 ? (zero-east ?)
     anyway, some bus routing throug Tsong2-Ching4-South Road,  there
     were always some (I'm talking about 2 or 3) Bei3-Yau1-ers didn't
     get off the bus at Taipei FGHS stop where they were supposed to get off.
     Instead, they waited for two more stops and got off the bus at Jain4-Zon1
     stop with "me". Well, intresting finding -- 8-)  How observant I was !!

     Remen Lin, Dept. of ME, UI Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.153315.14220@acsu.buffalo.edu>, chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
<
<chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
<><It takes a very simple-minded (read stupid :-) person to judge the entire
<><"education" system by a single person's interpretation of one story.
<
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<>Oh, no, it isn't just that.  I have other reasons for making that statement.
<
<Then (1) why did you made that simple-mined statement?

Because it was the only way to penetrate your simple mind.

<(2) please tell us
<the "other reasons". Thanks.

If you can't understand a simple story like _A1 Q_, you definitely won't
understand your own simple-mindedness.

<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<>Ten times more than you did, apparently.  You seem to have missed the point
<>completely.
<
<No, no, no. I am afraid its you who "missed the point completely".
<(1). I asked "what did you get out of the story?"  You didn't answer it, 
<     did you?

I did answer it.  See above.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NON-POLITICAL Gin1 Young's novels
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:34:57 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Mar31.155117.4204@umbc3.umbc.edu> wangs@sol.engr.umbc.edu (Shawe-Shiuan Wang) writes:
>
>Which dynasty was 'Shiou4 Our4 Jiang1 Hoo2(lake)' in ?
>Gin Young himself said this novel does not belong to any dynasty.
>Well, I don't believe him. We can find some clues in the novel.
>
The best I can tell is that it happened no earlier than Song dynasty.
What is your guess?

Chou1
From: jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "orthodox" Hakka dialect in Taiwan?
Summary: I am no expert, but....
Keywords: Hakka, language
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:35:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

<<sorry, I accidentally deleted Mr. Chou1's message title>>

>>The point here is I've never been taught there exists an "orthodox" Hakka, not

In the first paragraph of my original post, I claimed myself as no expert on
this subject.  I think this is an important qualification.

>
>How is the character Yao written? As far as I know in most of the cases
>it is pronounced as Rao which means to forgive.


You are right; it is pronounced as Rao in Mandarin with "eat" left half
and "Yao" right half.  In at least my mother's Hakka, it is pronounced as
"Yao".  I am not sure but it is quite possible that some Hakka's pronounce 
it as "Z(r)ao".


Jason
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Brian the Midnight Rider)
Subject: HSNU needs you!
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:37:36 GMT


     It was the 45th anniversary of the Affiliated Senior High School
of the National Taiwan Normal University on Apr 12.
     If you or you know someone was graduated from HSNU, please
contact the alumni's association, especially if you have lost touch
with us.
     HSNU Alumni's Association
     143, Sec. 3, Hsin I Rd.
     Taipei, Taiwan
     R.O.C.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Y. Wang ( HSNU H688 )
National Tsing Hua University
ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw
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From: jkh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry K Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Innesent" (Re: The Six-Year ...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:17:22 GMT
Reply-To: jkh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry K Huang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr10.201707.2463@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>I said:
>Blah, blah, blah...
>
>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>I did find out that people from Taiwan tend to be old fashioned Chinese,
>>little naive, innesent. No intension to be offensive.
>
>Okay, you got me this time. What is "innesent"? I am too "naive" to
>know this word. Thank you for an explanation.
>-Chunshi

I guess it meant to be innocent. 
But what's wrong about being that way?
A pure person dos not have to be naive or innocent.
An aggressive person does not have to be offensive.
Competitive business activities makes most Taiwanese less pure, but pretended to be naive and innocent. Only people with stuff can be aggressive but not
offensive, I guess, in dealing with tough situations.
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