From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: More warp/s'date babble...
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:09:23 GMT
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In <92Dec15.172806.18084@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca writes:

> In article <1992Dec14.133243.24967@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> >In <1992Dec13.211040.547@u.washington.edu> mcclaine@hardy.u.washington.edu writes:
> [SNIP! - Remember, hit Return BEFORE you hit 75 columns!]
> >>> Does this mean that the Enterprise-D's "continuing mission"
> >>> of six years in fact has taken place over 18 years? Yes, but only
> >>> in Earth time. The biological clocks aboard the ship still show
> >>> that the crew and ship have aged only six years. 
> 
> >I erred a bit. The real range of stardates between "Encounter at Farpoint" and
> >the end of the fifth season is "only" about 4800 days, or thirteen years. So
> >you could say that the relatives back on Earth only age about twice as fast
> >as their comrades on the Enterprise. 
> 
> Problem: Wesley has been in the academy 3 years, and is repeating
> his second year. The clock on Earth and the clock on the
> Enterprise agree completely on this score. 3000 stardates = 3
> years. My best guess is that 1 stardate = ~8 hours, ie. a single
> duty shift aboard a starship. Is there any canonical evidence
> that 1 stardate = 24 hours? (If so, then they either skip
> stardates, or the scale is complete hogwash which we already knew
> anyway. :)

Uh:-) This gets tricky, as I knew it would. We (no, Sternbach/Okuda) either
have to discard the warp scale or use my "improved" method for estimating
stardates. Yes, stardates "really" mean nothing but they are there so we have
to use them.
---
If the E. needs 600 stardates to fly to Earth from Deneb (1800ly.), does this 
mean they travel at 1000c for 600 days - or are warp speeds three times faster
since they only need 220 days for the job?! Either way, THE TECHNICAL MANUAL
loses.
 
> >Bzzztt! Where does it say that *MANNED* spacecraft have ventured some 10,000
> >ly. into space?! All we know is that the Technical Journal map [which is 
> >"canon" BTW as it was seen hanging on a wall in one episode] shows an area
> 
> Which episode? (Not debating, I'd just like to know.)

TNG 3rd season, I think. Hm, they were after a group of Klingons who had been
in cryogenical freeze for 70 years on a "hit and run" mission against the
Federation. Worf and K'ehleyr had to come up with a plan to force them to
surrender and convince them that the Klingons and Feds really had become 
allies in the 24th century.  
 
> >covering most of the galaxy's spiral arms on our side of the Milky Way, some
> >19% of all stars fit inside. So far, so good. But the 
> >Klingon/Federation/Romulan border that have been drawn on the map afterwards 
> >are courtesy of the people who wrote the manual - we don't know this from
> >watching the TV series!
> 
> Very true. The Galaxy is _supposed_ to be big. Roddenberry wanted
> Sternbach and Okuda to recalibrate the Warp scale so it couldn't
> just be crossed in a matter of months at high Warp.

(The Milky Way map is quite accurate BTW -all the spiral arms are in their
 correct positions. But the Earth isn't. I would move it another cm. outwards
 as the map scale appears to be 1cm=5,000 light-years.)
 
> >> 	Would you guys like a reposting of Myerson's paper?  It is worth 
> >> 	reading.  I will post it.
> 
> Personally, no. It was interesting technobabble, but it wasn't
> 'Treknobabble' to me. Part of the beauty of Treknology to me is
> its internal consistancy, and saying "to hell with reality!".
> Trying to justify most Treknology with real-world technology
> misses the point, IMHO. :)

Agreed, but TNG could be more consistent. They should have settled for a single
warp scale and a single stardate system 25 years ago.
 
> Joshua
> |         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
> |                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
> |                                                                            |
> | jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |

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