HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: purtilo@mimsy.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:43:43 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <5340@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
> [....] Your own response indicates the 
>high number of repeat offenders that show up, yet the gun lobby has shown
>no interest in effecting the kinds of checks that may prevent even these
>people from aquiring handguns easily.

Terry, just a point of information.... the "gun lobby" (at least most of the
prominent organizations typically recognized as being "gun lobby") is firmly
on record as being in support of bills this last legislative season which would
have supported upgrades to management of criminal records (now still done on
paper in some states, and at best done in widely incompatible systems currently)
so an instant background check could be performed --- a real check, in contrast 
to the non-check from, for example, Brady bill.  This of course would have had
benefits beyond just control of firearms too.  I supported this strongly, and
sent letters to my congress-creatures saying as such.  Its too bad these bills
(one each in senate and house, I believe) were shot down by the anti-gun lobby.
If HCI and their backers in congress are really interested in crime control, in
contrast to gun control, then I wonder why they just didn't accept this very 
real offer when it was made?

Anyway, just wanted to correct the point -- we don't want bad guys getting
guns, and have made substantive efforts towards that end.

Cheers,

Jim

(Now back to our regularly scheduled bashing from Kev...)
From: cawilco@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Chris A. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:03:29 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <725086927.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>Personally, I'm tired of all this crap on dc.general about Gun Control and I'm
>unsubscribing to this group.  There are a number of appropriate newsgroups for
>this stuff and I'm chagrined I have to wade through crap about rulings by the
>Connecticut courts because of the poor manners of other people on this group.


Actually, today my newsreader flagged dc.talk.guns as a bogus newsgroup.
Is this really the case; has dc.talk.guns become an "un-group"? If so,
that would explain a lot of the crossposting to dc.general...
-- 
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Dept. of Defense            |                      Crowe T. Robot
cawilco@afterlife.ncsc.mil  |                          MST3K
  The views represented here probably aren't held by the DoD. Get over it.
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ravens@wam.umd.edu (Raven Silverthorn)
Subject: Jobs in Museums
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:16:21 GMT

A friend of mine is moving here from North Carolina. She has just graduated
with a Bachelor's in History.  She would like to get a job in one of our fine 
museums.  My question is how does one find out about available jobs in
Gallery's and Museums in the DC area?

-Brian
ravens@wam.umd.edu
From: pete@mimsy.umd.edu (Pete Cottrell)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:38:47 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <BzqE7K.48M@pix.com> lidl@pix.com (Kurt J. Lidl) writes:
>It would seem that some sites didn't carry the newgroup for dc.talk.guns,
>as it was created without discussion, in a knee-jerk reaction to the
>people discussing (ad nauseum) the various pro/con gun aspects of
>the great Earth Area.  Lobby your system administrator to create the
>newsgroup.
>
>(I can call call it a knee-jerk reaction, 'cause I sent the newgroup)

Kurt, I knew it was you who sent the newgroup; I've been meaning to
flame you since then ;-)

	I didn't create the newsgroup on my machines for the exact reasons 
you mention; the group was created as a knee-jerk reaction with no discussion.  
I am also of the school of philosophy that wants to keep the number of DC 
groups relatively low, with discussion at a reasonable level.
	As you know, news continues to explode. More people join the net
each day and post more stuff. It is becoming harder to stay current with
the groups I need to read, much less the ones I want to read. I'd like
to see the traffic on the DC groups stay relatively low so that they are
easier to track. Look at the groups that exist now; they are for things
that are specific to the DC area (Smithsonian, Redskins), or are geared 
towards a certain activity as it relates to DC (dining, housing, traffic).
I don't see the need for dc.talk.guns unless there is sufficient traffic
specifically related to guns in the District; there has been some mention 
of DC in the gun postings, but for the most part it is the general stuff
that is best left for the bigger newsgroups. 
	We don't need a new newsgroup everytime some topic which already
has a newsgroup touches some issue involving DC. I just saw another
newgroup control message for dc.talk.guns, which I will ignore. There is
also one for dc.politics, supposedly "as per discussion in dc.general".
The only discussion I saw was complaints about gun-control postings; the
need is dc.politics may exist, but I haven't seen it yet nor have I seen
any discussion and so I may not carry it.
	Just my opinions, of course, but based on what I've read, I
believe that they echo what a fair number of other people feel. I
urge people to be judicious in the creation of new DC groups.

>PS -- I understand the reason that most sys-admins didn't honor the
>newgroup message.  I probably wouldn't have either, in my past life
>at the UM campus.

Ahh, so at least you understand....
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.
	<1992Dec27.230601.12536@alw.nih.gov>
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:47:32 GMT


>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Drury <drury@helix.nih.gov> writes:

    Richard> Oh yes we do.  You pay your money, you get your car.
    Richard> Nobody at the dealership cares about your driving skills
    Richard> or your safety record.  In fact, if all you want to do
    Richard> with your car is drive it on your own property, you
    Richard> *never* have to worry about licensing, insurance, driving
    Richard> tests, etc.

I'm not sure how far the car/gun ownership analogy can be stretched,
but here's my contribution to elasticity.  Are all guns stamped with a
unique identification number similar to the VIN that all automobiles
must carry?  Also, a driver's license isn't the only thing you need to
operate a car -- that car must also be registered with the state its
owner is resident in.  Furthermore, the federal gov't and some (most?
all?) states mandate a certain minimum compliance for autos re:
seat-belts and other saftey devices, emission controls, etc. Some
states require cars to be periodically inspected, etc.
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: s5udjb@fnma.COM (David Boals)
Subject: Re: Street Hockey in DC/MD
Reply-To: s5udjb@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:17:18 GMT


How about roller blade street hockey??  I would be interested in this
as well.  Any takers?

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From: ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Gun owners lose CT case
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:28:53 GMT
Organization: CBDA, Edgewood, Md

In article <1885@tnc.UUCP> m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) writes:
>
>I have posted six times to the dc.talk.guns newsgroup with no
>indication that the system is posting the messages properly.

I think, dc.talk.guns is a bogus newsgroup, but am not absolutely sure. This
might be the reason for your problems.
>
[...]
> 
>   The US District Court of Connecticut ruled in July against gun 
>owners in an extremely important case.  A victory could have set 
>a precedent for overturning many of the gun control laws in this 
>country.
>   The case involved Douglas Oefinger, a member of the 
>Connecticut Free Militia (CFM) whom Gun Owners Foundation has 
>assisted.
>   The laws of Connecticut (and federal law) recognize that 
>citizens between the ages of 18 and 45 are members of the 
>'unorganized militia.'  Oefinger, as a member of the 'unorganized 
>militia,' had applied for permission to import 30 M-14s.


What on earth should a (two-handed) man do with *30* guns?
How is he supposed to handle them [:-)]? This smells like a
business.

>Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) said no.
>   Oefinger took his case to court, stating that the Second 
>Amendment recognizes a person's right to own these types of guns.  
>The Bush Administration opposed Oefinger, claiming that federal 
>law prohibits individuals from importing automatic firearms and 
>that the Second Amendment does not guarantee individual rights.
>
[...]

> In fact, had the Court 
>examined the experiences of Switzerland and Israel, it would have 
>seen a completely different picture.

No. The gun control in Switzerland is *absolute*. Every man who is in 
the military reserve has got his assault rifle at home, but he has
to be 'clean' as far as his past is concerned to be allowed to
do so. Every single round he may have is marked with a number and 
counted for. There is no way of just going into a store, buying a gun
and getting it couple days later.

>
[...]
 
> 
>Either way, we've lost this round.  

Yes, and I'm happy about that.

[...]

Alexander
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:14:22 GMT
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda

In kevin@clsi.com writes:
>In article <62934@mimsy.umd.edu>, purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) writes:
>> 
>> {guns & cars discussion deleted}
>> 
>> ...  But in both of these areas, firearms and unsafe drivers, I would
>> hope we could reform the judicial system and elect judges that will really
>> enforce the law....]
>
>You really mean enforce punishment (in the hope that adequate punishment will
>deter the offenders).
>
>This approach will generally mean 1 (or more) innocent person(s) dead or injured
>for each offender punished.  Better to remove the means of offence IMHO.

What are you saying?  That we are all supposed to turn in our 
cars to the government because somebody might abuse his driving 
privileges?  
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Wheres a good gym in Greenbelt, C.P., S.S. ?
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 14:57:23 GMT

In article <1hsl1lINN8jv@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.203@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
> I'm looking for a Gym in the Greenbelt, College Park,
>Silver Spring area that has your basic weights and perhaps a
>few aerobic workout methods (indoor track, bikes, steps, etc)
>but does not cost a fortune.  

	Try calling "Clean and Lean" in College Park. They're a small gym at
the intersection of Rt. 1 and Calvert rd. They have machines, freeweights and
cycles. Not too expensive (if I remember correctly, it was something $50/month)
and best of all, they have washing machines and dryers so that you can get all
sweaty and stinky, and then wash your clothing as you soak in their hottubs.

	Don't have their number, sorry.
	(you can also take aerobics at the dance studio next door)

--
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From: khera@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Rajesh Khera)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Room for rent in Greenbelt/College Park/DC Area
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:57:55 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

I am moving and want to sublet a 
HUGE MASTER BEDROOM in GreenBelt MD. 
On exit 23, .5 miles from Beltway, 495. 
Its in SpringHill Lake Apartments if you are familiar.
Its really nice, new, quite apartment. 
Seperate full Bathroom. 
A Large walkin closet.
In house washer-dryer. 
Huge kitchen with free cooking GAS
Living Room furnished, has TV and VCR.
Phone alredy connected.
Its 3 miles to University of Maryland, College Park on the Greenbelt Rd.

Its a great deal at $330 including Heat and Hot Water. 

$175 if you want to share it with somebody.

Its Great.

Call 301 220 4457
     301 982 9581
     301 474 6385
     703 951 9464
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:39:27 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Dec27.230601.12536@alw.nih.gov>, drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
> >
> >Once again I will use my auto licensing analogy:  We don't let everyone have
> >a car 
> 
> Oh yes we do.  You pay your money, you get your car.  Nobody at
> the dealership cares about your driving skills or your safety 
> record.  In fact, if all you want to do with your car is drive
> it on your own property, you *never* have to worry about
> licensing, insurance, driving tests, etc.

Then a minor question - how did you get that car to your property from
the dealership?  

If they delivered it, then do you foresee a handgun delivery service?
That should go over really well!

Terry

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From: pete@mimsy.umd.edu (Pete Cottrell)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:26:34 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Dec24.164620.26106@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
>
>As long as DC is the "murder capital" of the USA it is a relevent topic for
>dc.general - 

In that case, I suppose it is relevant in a general sense. But the
discussion isn't specific to DC, and is best left to the larger newsgroups
where more people can argue among themselves.

>it seems more relevent to me than the endless postings we had on
>how many people turned up for the anti-abortion march.

Except that that march was held in DC, and the discussion partially
centered on how different local agencies came up with their crowd
figures and what their motivations were. Admittedly not everyone's
cup of tea; on the other hand, it is a subject that will eventually
die, whereas gun-control arguments can go on forever (as we are seeing).

I have no problem with people discussing gun-control, in fact I think
it is important that people do so. I just want it in the appropriate
newsgroup.
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From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Pickup Truck owners sought..
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:06:16 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers


I am thinking about buying a pickup truck and looking for current pickup
owners for some pros and cons for buying one. I am looking to buy a small
1/2 ton pickup probably toyota and also wanted input on the Toyota pickups.
I have been looking in the local papers and don't really see many for sale
in the used car/truck section. I take this to be a good sign, the owners are
happy. Any input on a reputable Toyota dealer in P.G./Montgomery County
would be appreciated. I do plan on putting a cap on the back I could use
some pro/con cap owners too. No I don't plan on using it for commercial
/private hauling yet but might possibly in the future. 

If you don't feel like wasting the bandwidth with all this anti gun bruhaha
going on then take it to e-mail.   thanks in advance.


                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1
david@sandr.com 
...uunet!sandr!cherise!c-cat!david
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: shapter@socrates.umd.edu (Douglas Shapter)
Subject: Re: Gun owners lose CT case
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:56:44 GMT

In article <1885@tnc.UUCP> m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) writes:
>
>    <...lots of stuff deleted...> 
>Either way, we've lost this round.  I'm attempting to get the 
>full text of the decision, for posting to the net
^^^^^^^^^                                     ^^^^^^

Hey, Frank-- do us all a favor; Don't post the full-text, just choice
tidbits....


Doug


Xref: sparky dc.general:3336 dc.housing:305
From: khera@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Rajesh Khera)
Newsgroups: dc.general,dc.housing
Subject: Room for rent in Greenbelt/College Park Area
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:04:38 GMT
Followup-To: dc.general
Distribution: dc
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

I am moving and want to sublet a 
HUGE MASTER BEDROOM in GreenBelt MD. 
On exit 23, .5 miles from Beltway, 495. 
Its in SpringHill Lake Apartments if you are familiar.
Its really nice, new, quite apartment. 
Seperate full Bathroom. 
A Large walkin closet.
Its 3 miles to University of Maryland, College Park on the Greenbelt Rd.

Its a great deal at $330 including Heat and Hot Water. 

$175 if you want to share it with somebody.

In house washer-dryer. 

Huge kitchen with free cooking GAS
Living Room furnished, has TV and VCR.
Phone alredy connected.
Its Great.

Call 301 220 4457 Vikram
     301 982 9581 Anupam
     301 474 6385
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:37:36 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>>Then a minor question - how did you get that car to your property from
>>the dealership?  
>
>I don't think the dealers drive them from the factories to
>the dealerships, so I guess there must be some way to move cars
>around from point to point without actually driving them.  Now, I
>happen to have a driver's license and I register my cars for use
>on public highways, so I would probably drive it home.  But I
>don't suppose it would take any great ingenuity or cost very
>much to arrange an alernative.  If you buy a bulldozer, I don't
>think they make (or would even let) you drive it home.

You can get temp tags to operate the vehicle for a limited amount 
of time on the public highways, for a specific purpose (to get
it inspected, or for transport point to point.

>>If they delivered it, then do you foresee a handgun delivery service?
>>That should go over really well!
>
>Hmmm, you lost me there.  Do you really think that handgun
>purchasers would pay to have their purchases delivered in
>numbers sufficient to support some sort of delivery service? 

Current laws that restrict the transportation of handguns only address
loaded handguns (in all but a few places).  An unloaded gun, in a 
box in the trunk of a car, is nearly always in compliance with the 
law.  Even if that changed because of some new licensing deal, a
FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder can transport, for the purpose
of sale, firearms in all 50 states.  Note that all an FFL does is 
allow someone to do business selling guns across state lines, and 
it is in no way a permit to carry or otherwise use firearms.

Doug
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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Robbery with a badge in DC
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:15:27 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Here's a totally unscientific survey of the three 'civil forfeiture'
notices placed in this past Sunday's Washington Times.

DC Superior Court
Case #92-CA-12700  30 Sep 1992
Total line items: 16
High amount: $3299
Low Amount: $2 (two dollars)
Number of items under $200: 11 (68%)
Number of items under $100: 10 (62%)
Number of items under $50:   9 (56%)

Case #CA1513-89  13 Jan 1989
Total line items: 21
High amount: $504
Low amount: $3 (three dollars)
Number of items under $200: 13 (62%)
Number of items under $100:  7 (33%)
Number of items under $50:   5 (24%)

Case #CA91-03362  18 Mar 1991
Total line items: 20
High amount: $942
Low amount: $7 (seven dollars)
Number of items under $200: 16 (80%)
Number of items under $100: 12 (60%)
Number of items under $50:   8 (40%)

Consolidated of all three cases
Total line items: 57
High amount: $3299
Low amount: $2 (two dollars)
Number of items under $200: 40 (70%)
Number of items under $100: 29 (50%)
Number of items under $50:  22 (38%)

Half of the listed civil forfeiture cases listed involved less money
than I normally carry on any given day.  Or, I should say, I used to
carry after I found out that most of the thieves in DC wear blue
uniforms.

Food for though: be in the wrong place at the wrong time wearing the
wrong clothes and the wrong skin color and it could happen to you as
well.  I'd be willing to bet that not one of the people listed as the
putative owners of the money 'under arrest' in these cases has been
charged with or convicted of a crime that would, if the laws were
written properly, justify forfeiture.

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From: dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil (John Skoda)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Unrelated Gun Question
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:58:02 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: Electronic Learning Facilitator, inc


 I have recently moved to suburban Md from VT.  I have been following
the Gun-AntiGun rehtoric and Iam wondering what the gun laws are down
here.  In VT there are very few restictions concerning firearms.  Most
of the laws are just common sense that a responsible gun owner should
already know.  Things like not taking a gun into a bar, no carrying of a
loaded concealed handgun.  Other than that the laws are liberal enough
so that I stored my deer rifle in my high school locker so I could
hunt on my way home from school.
	Don't quote me but I think that there are less deaths by
handgun in VT than recreational mishaps (snowmobile, skiing, and *yes*
hunting)  But I am getting away from my original question, given the
"liberal" gun restrictions that I am used to...  What do I have to
look forward to in MD?  Can I even have my deer rifle here?  Do I need
to buy a safe for my guns?  Do I have to register them? and if so Why?
	Any responsible guidance will be appreciated.  Any tree-hugger
flames that I am a bambi-killer will go strait to /dev/null.
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