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From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Dinner Theater (an
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

J  . Now to the equestrian part!  Most of the many horses used in the
J  . show are Andalusians, many of them stallions.  They had many of 
J  . them fitted with hoods and matching blankets, but not armored.
J  . The knight's saddles were built up in the back for support - I
J  . don't know if this is an authentic copy????

I went to the Medieval Times in Southern California (Anaheim, Buena 
Park, ?) a few years ago.  The horses used there were Quarters & TBs.  
They must use what's available in the area.

J  . Lastly, a question.  Although there was a lot of "dressage" work,
J  . it seemed more showy than precise, as I said.  I have seen this before
J  . in circuses and other horse exhibitions.  My question is about the
J  . headgear - all the horses in the show seemed to wear a curb bit
J  . with a medium shank, fairly severe.  I would expect this for the "gaming"
J  . type actions of the knights, but was surprised to see it on the
J  . riding exhibitors, especially the horse in training in tandem.  The
J  . trainer could really haul this horse into sidepasses and backing
J  . with that bit.  Question (at last): is this bit a part of Spanish
J  . training of Andalusians, or is this more just this particular
J  . trainer's method for producing the horses needed for the show?

While there are considerable differences between "circus dressage" and 
"competitive dressage," both have the same goals of a relaxed, supple, 
obedient, well-schooled horse.  What I saw at Medieval Times was, at 
best, a poor example of circus dressage.  The use of such curb bits just 
exemplifies the quality of what I (and probably you) saw.  For contrast, 
the ultimate in circus dressage is the Spanish Riding School.  That's 
not to say that the Medieval Times show isn't a lot of fun.  It's just 
not great horsemanship.
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Black Stallion
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:25:32 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <92322.29954.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>If memory serves me... The "Black Stallion" of the movie was played by a
>number of horses, but the primary/star was a stallion named something like
>Caseolay (I'm sure that's not spelled right!) and I think he was from a
>Ranch in Texas.

This was discussed at great length in this forum several months ago.
Yes, the Black Stallion was played by an Arabian stud named Cass Ole.
There were a few stand-ins for various scenes- I think the water scene
was a white mare died black because Cass Ole didn't like to swim.  He
was from San Antonio Arabians here in Texas.  I tried to contact them
when I wet to San Antonio, but they didn't answer their phone.  I'll
probably try again sometime, I'd love to see him in the flesh if he's
still around.

Sarah Pallas
From: dzjohnso@crdec6.apgea.army.mil (Donna M. D Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Different Subject
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:56:10 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

I know this does not pertain to
horses but I would like to get
rec.pets.dogs and do not know who
to send my email address to so
I can receive this group.  I know
that most horse people are dog
people to so someone out there must
have this information.

Thanks

Donna & Rocky
From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re: rec.equestrian.racing => rec.sporting.racing.horse
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:53:49 GMT
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald

>/ hpcss01:rec.equestrian / patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) /  1:24 pm  Nov 13, 1992 /
> You know, if they would only bank the turns, it would save a whole
> lot of fine young TB bones!
>
>patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
>

Why? Most injuries happen on the straightaways when extension is at max.

Terry
From: 6820230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 2 Conditioning old horses
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:30:26 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>This is sort of an extension of feeding older horses.

>My old horse and i were recently reunited.  She wasn't worked while we were
>apart, and i am in the process of reconditioning her.  Is there any advice out
>there for such?

[stuff deleted]

There is an excellent book titled "The Older Horse."  I don't remember the
author's name.  All I remember is that it's a woman vet (Eleanor?).  Anyway,
this book goes into the muscular, cardivascular, intestinal, repiratory, etc,
changes horses go through as they get older.  It gives specifics on how to
recondition, what to expect and possible distress to look for.

Other areas covered in the book are feeding, retirement (and the myths
associated)... even saying goodbye.  In short, I've found it to be pretty
inclusive.  I'd bought it specifically for the conditioning aspects and
can vouch for their effectiveness.  You're right about one thing, it takes
a LOT of time.  My horse had just been in pasture for almost two years when
I got her.  I spent nine months using the recommended interval training to
bring her into shape (she's 23 now and no one believes her age).  All I can
say is that I've found it to be well worth the effort.

Good luck in finding the proper regimen for you and your horse, and hang
in there.  Expect there to be some setbacks... just don't let them get you
down.

-- Heidi and Honey
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: detoro@synapse.bms.com (Dave Detoro)
Subject: Winter Pasture Care
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:36 GMT

Last spring we planted about two acres of pasture for our horse and pony.  
It came in pretty well but it didnt seem to get real thick.  By the end 
of the summer we had to supplement their feeding with hay.  Just about 
2 weeks ago we took them off of the pasture.  I assumed we would keep 
them off until the spring figuring this would help the pasture come in 
better next year.  However someone just told me we might as well let 
them stay on it all winter that it wont make any difference.  If this 
is true we would rather since it will give them more room to romp and 
at least some grass to nibble on.  

Can anyone help in this decision ?  If it makes any difference, we dont 
normally get much snow around here.

Dave   
 

-- 
==============================================================
 Dave Detoro     net: detoro@bms.com   work #: (609) 252-5990
==============================================================
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: XC Schooling Safety Question
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:49:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

I was talking to the barn manager this morning and she happened to mention
that she and another rider had gone cross-country schooling the previous
morning and that her mare had kept knocking the triple down.  I guess I
must have looked puzzled because she then clarified that, at that
particular facility, they don't tie up the telephone poles for schooling.

I thought about it for a minute and said that I wasn't sure that was
such a good idea, since the horses might learn they could get away with
hanging a leg, and try to do so in a competition setting where the 
fences WERE tied up solid.

She said she thought that the telephone poles were sufficiently solid
and unpleasant to hit that that wasn't likely to happen, and that
it allowed a little extra safety leeway in a schooling situation.

The cross-country course in question is at a facility which primarily
produces hunters and jumpers and which hosts an annual Jumping Derby.
The Derby combines cross-country type fences with knockdown show jumping
fences.

Does anyone have any practical experience/opinions with the safety 
of schooling over "knock-down solid obstacles" for a horse which
is expected to event over "true solid obstacles"?

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: inglis_p@apollo.HP.COM (Pete Inglis)
Subject: Barn music
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:56:25 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

I am one those silent partners in the horse business.
I give up the bucks and my wife has the fun.
(I can tell you what it costs but not what it is) 
Normally I dont question what she does with her horses
(was horse and pony till she traded my car for another horse)
but this time its causing me to lose sleep.

My question is .....Should a radio be left on all night in the
barn (c&w). I think it should be turned off so the animals can get
some sleep. She says it soothes etc etc etc.

Any expert opinions? Anybody just want to agree with me cause i'm
a nice guy?



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: helen@sco.COM (Helen Dilworth)
Subject: Re: Dutch Warmblood Pintos
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:07:25 GMT


In article <1emh15INNl3t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
>
>I was skimming thru a magazine today (a breeding issue) and
>came across a breed of horse I have never seen before...
> a Dutch Warmblood Tobiano Pinto.  He's absolutely gorgeous!
>His name is DOMINO and he is black with white pinto markings.
>I was just wondering if anyone knows about these Dutch
>Warmblood/Pinto crosses.  Are they very common? 


I don't know how common they are, but several of the warmblood breeds
have considerably more "color" in their gene pools than one might expect
in "English style" breeds.  On a visit to Flyinge, the "national"
Swedish Warmblood stud, I was suprised to see that one of the mares
was a pinto and another was a palomino!  One of my Swedish foals, out of
solid parents, has a white spot on his belly that is big enough that
he could technically qualify as a pinto.  Also, stockings that reach way
above the knee/hock are not uncommon.

Both Domino and another pinto, Art Deco, are full bred Dutch
Warmbloods, NOT Warmblood/Pinto crosses.  Domino and Art Deco are both
by the same stallion, Samber.  I don't know anything about Samber's 
coloring, but it sure makes you think he might be a pinto, doesn't it?

Does anyone else know more about this?

Helen Dilworth
Trilogy Farm
Swedish Warmbloods
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Colic, Surgery, and Tough Choices
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:53:32 GMT
Reply-To: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1992Nov19.191958.27393@cs.wisc.edu>, haber@bashan.cs.wisc.edu 
(Eben Merriam Haber) writes:
|> A bit more than a week ago I had to face a decision that I wouldn't wish
|> on any of you, but which some of you are bound to face some day. 
|> Last Wednesday I was woken by a call from the barn telling me that my horse,
|> Roy, was showing all the signs of colic (kicking, digging in his stall,

As I started to read this, a shiver ran down my spine.  The is nearly the exact
account of what happened to my mare Jasmine several years ago, starting with
the call from the stable, the treatment from the local vet, and the decision 
whether or not to send Jazz to the Vet School (Tufts).

|> decision, as there was a loop of small intestine that had become trapped in
|> a hole in one of the membranes that holds the intestines in place.  No one

Spooky.  This was the exact cause of my mare's colic as well.  They said
the hole
was the size of a man's thumb and she had 4 feet of intestine removed. 
This colic
is actually quite rare (something like < 0.5 % of all colics).

|> surgery.  But Roy seems happy.

I'm glad it all worked out for you & Roy.  Jazz wasn't as lucky.  The first
operation was a success, but while she was recovering in the vet hospital, she
re-coliced and they tried to operate a second time but when they administered 
the anaesthetic, she died.

|> I hope none of you ever has to make a decision about surgery, but maybe this
|> story can give you an idea of your options if you do have to face this...
|> Eben Haber & Royal Banner

Thank you for posting this story.  It was a difficult decision for me as well, 
but I reasoned that even if Jazzy didn't survive, maybe they would learn a 
little more about that type of colic.  I would like to believe that your story
proved my reasoning was sound and what they did learn from Jazz was used to 
help save Roy.  It certainly softens her loss.  And I know I would make the
same decision over again without hesitation.

Mary McHugh  (& Jasmine RIP, Wilbur, & Bub)




From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:04:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Heaves (was: Feeding Old Horses)(LONG)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


>>I now mix 50 lbs. of Blue Seal Rebound (sweet feed for heavey horses
>>which contains beet pulp and has no oats),
				   ^^^^^^^

>I'm glad you discovered the special feed for controlling heaves.  
> My stallion developed heaves in the late '70's.  Therahist powder helped
>a bit, but left much to be desired.  I had Shane allergy tested, 

[recipe for feed with no oats]

Don't know much about heaves, but I'm curious. The above statements would 
seem to imply that in many cases heaves is caused by an allergy to oats????
I've heard that heaves is allergy related, but are oats usually the
problem? Did Shane's allergy test come back positive for oats?



Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Retraining a gated Morgan
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:27:27 GMT
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A fair number of Morgans turn up with a pronounced tendancy
to be "lateral-gaited".  Overwhelmingly, this means that they
pace.  Racking, slow-gait, fox trot, singlefoot, etc. almost
never appear, except as a pace gone off-balance (going downhill,
for example).

Unfortunately, lateral-gaitedness is anathema in the Morgan show ring.
I don't have any experience trying to get a confirmed pacer to
trot.  I have seen a few show horses who seem to trot most of
the time, but occasionally fall into a pace.  (Hopefully when
the judge isn't looking.)  Does he ever trot?  As you have
probably deduced if you've gone to many Morgan shows, a strong
trot is EVERYTHING.  Pacers will not be pinned.

Pacing will show up in almost any Morgan line.  These horses
were originally bred as harness horses in the 19th century.
A pacer was no great crime.  (Early modern standardbreds often
came from Hambletonian crossed on Morgan mares of Black Hawk
extraction.)  The saddlebred blood (Upwey Benn Peavine and Bennington's
dam) may have also reinforced an existing tendancy to pace.

A few lines do tend to show it more than others.
A lot of the old Government horses (1930s-1950s) were comfirmed pacers
(Glady, Mentor, and more recently Trophy.)  It is definitly heritable,
although not 100% predictably so.  (Glady, for example, produced some
of the strongest trotting Morgans in history--Meade, for example.)
The pacers in the family trees sort of get treated like the
cousin-who-went-wrong-that-nobody-mentions.  Some sires get
known for producing pacers (Trophy, and one of the Helicon horses).
It doesn't do their reputation any good.  Nobody breeds FOR pacers
anymore.

If I knew where you were, I could refer you to some local (Morgan-type)
trainers who might be able to give you a more informed opinion.

In the meantime, be glad he's a love and think of him as "historic genes
incarnate"!

Linda B. Merims





Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel)
Subject: New Purchase
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:18:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Well, yesterday I bought a new filly. I have been wanting to get a young filly
to train for quite some time. I have always dreamed of having a true "bridle"
horse, one of the incredibly light, finely trained reined cowhorses. Well, I
think I have found my prospect. This filly is a long yearling, Bay with a 
blaze, AQHA. Her sire is Smart Cash Cutter by Smart Little Lena. Smart Little
Lena is the leading sire of cutting and working cowhorses these days. He is by
Doc O'Lena by Doc Bar, with Peppy San on the bottom side. Smart Cash Cutter was
trained and ridden by Bobby Ingersoll, but I haven't gotten a copy of his show
record yet. I do know that he was syndicated for a bunch, and stands at Cal
Poly, San Luis Obispo. Her dam is Gaurd's Leo Lita, by On Gaurd By Coldstream
Gaurd, she is Leo bred on the bottom side. This mare was trained and shown by
Bobby Ingersoll for 3 years, and placed 2nd at the Cow palace in the Working
Cowhorse class.

I will probably have the trainer I ride with start this filly, cuz I really
don't want to mess her up. I believe that she is Reno Snaffle Bit Futurity
quality, so I'm going to be real careful with this one. The gal that I bought
her from is also throwing in a breeding for my mare to her Doc Bar grandson.
Looks like I'm going to have horses coming out of my ears if I'm not careful.

If any body out there knows anything about these horses or families I'd
appreciate hearing from you.

Kris Troxel, the broke one.
Cassandra, the wild thing
Shezza Brat, AQHA
Filly, don't have her registered name yet.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Anyone Know This Song?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:52 GMT
Keywords: Tennessee stud



An old song popped into my head this morning, and again I
was frustrated that I have forgotten the words.  Then I 
thought, maybe rec.equestrian can help me out!

The song is a Country and Western type and includes some
great guitar picking.  The name is "Tennessee Stud".  Does
anyone know all the words to this song and can you direct me
to an album that includes the song?

I do remember the verse went like this:
   
   The Tennessee stud was long and lean,
   Color of the sun and his eyes were green.
   He had nerve and he had blood,
   And there's never been a horse like the Tennessee stud.

Great song!

Thanks,

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:40:38 GMT

Kay wrote:

>The earlier posting on the horsey dinner theatre, while I don't have
>answers to your questions, reminded me that I had been to a few
>down in Florida over a year ago while we were on our honeymoon.

>We went to three dinner theaters which reflected my tastes/interests
>more than Peter's, but oh well, he liked them too. We went to Medieval
>Times, Arabian Nights, and King Henry's Feast (or something like that).
>The last one didn't have any horses :( but it was very entertaining with
>jugglers, fools, the works. This was Peter's favorite, just because we
>were so much closer up and could see a lot more.

<<<<LOTS OF STUFF DELETED>>>>

These "horsey dinner theaters" sound great! Someday I'm going to have to
take a trip to Southern CA where they have them! ;-) I hear there is also
a "new" hotel/casino in Las Vegas which is entirely with a medieval theme.
I think they have jousting, etc. as well. Can't think of the name of it.
Has anyone on the net been there?

>But the highlight of the evening was when they brought The Black Stallion
>out, claiming it was "Walter Farley's Black Stallion" very nice horse, but
>wasn't the horse in the movie a mare?? ;) At the end they let a WHOLE
>bunch of mares and foals loose in the arena and you could go up
>and pet them. They had the actors/actresses positioned around the arena

If memory serves me... The "Black Stallion" of the movie was played by a
number of horses, but the primary/star was a stallion named something like
Caseolay (I'm sure that's not spelled right!) and I think he was from a
Ranch in Texas. I remember reading that they had to auditon a bunch of
horses to find some that were willing swim for the first movie when the
ship sank.

Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!

>Kay & Horseless Crew

Diane & Spring & Dancer
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dlambert@eng.auburn.edu (Dave Lambert)
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.175103.1@stsci.edu> rewald@stsci.edu writes:
>> In article <18NOV199208491326@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu>, 
>             broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:
>> (Much stuff deleted)
>>> I feed big round
>>> bales all winter in a 3 acre lot, so the horses get a little running around
>>> room even in the winter.


At my barn, the owner plants winter grass each August/September.  By now,
the grass is up and I'm not going to have to feed hay (much).  I like
it because they get almost enough grass, which saves me some $$$ during
the winter.

Just an idea....

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Dave Lambert & Sam
dlambert@eng.auburn.edu