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From: scratchy.caltech.edu!cuf (Carl Rhodes)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Red 5's at the Trop story.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:19:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Reply-To: cuf@cco.caltech.edu
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Originator: cuf@pooh

So you want a story about the Jackpot 21 at the Trop,

	I was playing at the over/under table (8 deck) Sunday for 
one time thru the shoe just to get away from the pink of the
Circus Circus for an hour or so. The trop offers what it calls
Jackpot 21. If you get 4 red fives, you win the Jackpot which 
happened to be $2,700 this morning. 
	We are down to the bottom of the deck, and the game is
dealt for the players face-up. The guy next to me has two red fives
and he puts out to double-down. The dealer kindly informs him, "Sir,
you know we have JACKPOT 21 here. There could be a few more red 5's
in the shoe here." He points towards the shoe much like a woman in 
one of those car convention shows. 
	He talks the guy out of doubling down and he hits. A RED FIVE.
Everyone gasps, but no one screams or anything. The dealer calls out
"Three Red Fives". The pit boss comes over and calls up to cameras. 
They have to make sure to get it on film for it to be valid. So we
wait for about 4 minutes, and the suspense is killing everyone. 
	Finally the pit boss gives the OK and the guys has to signal
big for another card out of the deck, just so the guys doing the 
filming can catch it. He scrapes the table and motions for a card,
 and out comes (you guessed it) the 4th RED FIVE. With a $10 bet, the
guy took home $2,700. Not bad. How about the gain on that hand.
	Too bad it wasn't me, and the guy wouldn't even tip me for
taking that Black King to bust my hand just before he hit...........\


					Carl
 
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From: whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant)
Subject: Re: Trip report - Dubuque Casino Belle
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:27:45 GMT

In article <1edbrlINN439@agate.berkeley.edu> jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin) writes:
>In article <BxvMsv.J8q@news.iastate.edu> whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant) writes:
>>Went to Dubuque, Iowa over the weekend; here's the obligatory report:
>
>
>Why get all excited at a phony Mirage volcano when you can see
>real live burning crosses and effigies?

Didn't see anything burning while I was there. There *was* a meeting
sponsored by the NAACP at the hotel where we ate dinner, apparently
meant to foster understanding. Another example of a lot of decent
people trying to make amends for the acts of a few crazies.
-- 
Kerry Whisnant                  High Energy Physics Group
whisnant@iastate.edu            Department of Physics and Astronomy
whisnant@alisuvax.bitnet        Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011
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From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:31:13 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <17952@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>I dug up an old article that Steve R Jacobs sent out.  I'll quote it.

>>    other       AA      AA      AA       AA    AA     AA     AA
>>     hand      wins    ties    loses   %win   %tie   %lose  %gain
>>
>>    AC  AS     37210 1637884   37210    2.17 95.654   2.17   0.00
>>
>>    6S  5S   1314307    6415  391582   76.76  0.375  22.87  53.88
>>    7S  6S   1315168    5499  391637   76.81  0.321  22.87  53.93
>>    8S  7S   1315602    5030  391672   76.83  0.294  22.87  53.96

[ The rest of Jacobs' chart deleted. ]

>Pretty cool eh?

Yup.

>Simple no?  I'd like to know how Steve generated this table, computer?

Computer?  Posh!  Anyone who's ever sneezed on Jacobs knows that he'd
never resort to a computer for such important research.  No sirree, uh uh.
Steve's above all that.

He once described his method (and his madness) to me, and I'll see if I
can remember most of it.

Because cards are dealt randomly (unless, of course, you're playing blackjack
at the Frontier), Steve started by using a random multiplying factor determined
by the number of nice things he's said about Michael Hall on rec.gambling in
any particular 6-month period.  This would give him a number between 0 and 1.

Now, if the row to be calculated is for a hand that contains a pair, Steve
will use the bra size of the last Hot Babe (TM) that he let blow on his
dice at a craps table.  He'll then multiply this by the number of times he
was slapped trying to obtain said bra size.

If the two cards of the hand are suited, Steve uses the number of times
that Tim (you still out there, Tim?) threatened to have his uncle sue Steve, 
multiplied by the number of kilobytes spewed forth in some of their better
flamefests.

The numbers for connectors are determined by the day's attendance at the
Foxwoods Casino in CONNECTicut (hey!  give me a break, it's Friday).

All other numbers are determined at random, because I'm running out of ideas
and my brain hurts.

-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                | "I always get Hall and Jacobs mixed up."
 Vmark Software, Inc.       |     -- an unnamed fellow poker player
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com      |           (Hi ed!)
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From: tg@utstat.uucp (Tom Glinos)
Subject: Conditions at Paradise Island??
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:50:38 GMT


I'll be heading to Merv's place latter this week for a few days
of well earned vacation. What are conditions (gambling, not weather) like?

P.S. Does anybody have the 1-800 number for the place?
The people at the office want to be able to contact me if they need me :-(

-- 
=================
No regrets, ever!			| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics
For down that path, lies madness.	| tg@utstat.toronto.edu
From: jdodson@cse.unl.edu (James Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Net Poker Server Problems???
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu


	I am in (in a manner of speaking) the current Hold'Em tourney
	here on the net, and until yesterday things were fine.
	I didn't get any poker mail from the server yesterday (I know
	our table is slow, but _no_ mail is unusual).  I sent requests
	for a hand update and an overall score last night, and I got
	mail error messages in my mailbox this morning (something about
	unknown address or something...).
	
	Anyone else had these problems??? Any clues???

	-Jim
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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:21:02 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Because of the short work week I will try to post my selections by
Tuesday afternoon. I will also send picks by email to those who
request them this week.


Season: 30-17 +10.9 Units       Last Week: 4-0 + 4.0 Units

Nov 21 * OHIO STATE    + 7  over Michigan       W 13-13
Nov 21 * WASHINGTON ST +14  over Washington     W 42-23
Nov 21 * UCLA          + 9  over So. California W 38-37
Nov 22 * Houston       + 4  over MIAMI          W 16-19
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: whisnant@iastate.edu (Kerry L Whisnant)
Subject: Trip report - Dubuque Casino Belle
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:12:26 GMT

Went to Dubuque, Iowa over the weekend; here's the obligatory report:

The Dubuque Casino Belle is still in operation, but barely. I was there
last year and the place was hopping. This time, the tables were never full
and it was more like a graveyard (well, a graveyard with an occasional
slot machine dinging in the background). They now have a policy of no
boarding fee in the month of November, quite a change from when they
opened. And they made the third-level casino smoke-free (I guess there's
plenty of room now for both smokers and nonsmokers).

The BJ conditions have deteriorated, too; they no longer have Over-Under.
The basic game is 6-deck, DOA, DAS, H17, no RSA, and penetration was
quite good at 5+ decks. Insurance is still available. As in all Iowa
casinos, the max bet is $5. The min bet on the Casino Belle is $3. You
can play two hands at $5 each, however.

For the record, I made $15 in 2.5 hours (whoopee). I was up over $50 at
one point, but the variance caught up with me in the last half-hour :-)
-- 
Kerry Whisnant                  High Energy Physics Group
whisnant@iastate.edu            Department of Physics and Astronomy
whisnant@alisuvax.bitnet        Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011
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From: jmeredit@ferris.cray.com (James Meredith)
Subject: Trip Report - Gulf Greyhound Park (LaMarque TX)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:32:25 CST

I went to Gulf Greyhound Park on Saturday (Nov 14).
This is a new facility about 15 miles south of Houston which
opened Wednesday the 11th.

Overall it was a nice trip.  The clubhouse is very large
but even so, the crowd was huge and lines were long.

I did not go up to the (jockey?) club (extra $4) because
it was sold out when I got there. As was the reserved
seating on the 2nd level($1) and the tables($5).  So
I ended up standing most of the night.

Parking was $1 and general admission was $1.  

The races moved along smoothly with mostly favorites
finishing in the money.  This kept most of the
payouts relatively small (my best was apporx. $54 on
a $2 quinella and $20-$25 was average).


The only problem noted was that the fire alarms went off
about 5 times during the night.  Nobody seemed to pay
any attention to them including the cashiers.


There seemed to be a lot of people who couldn`t read a form
around me (probably due to the newness of racing in Texas).

It was an enjoyable trip and I will probably go back soon.


-- 
=============== I speak for myself only, not for my employer ================
      James Meredith  (jmeredit@cray.com)     
      Cray Research, Inc.                     
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jk@apple.com (John Kullmann)
Subject: Re: Yeehah!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:19:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Nov18.192800.28323@uvmark.uucp>, irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>I'm taking another new guy (this one's a real bozo), to
> test this hypothesis.
> 

Hey!   I resent that remark!!!

-JK
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: borker@nevada.edu (DAMIAN BLESS)
Subject: Re: poker payoffs and pseudo-random
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.130746.1@azcc.arizona.edu> kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:
>
>
>	2) I received a computer game called Casino Master. I is okay,
>my question is this. Is there a difference between real blackjack random
>play and the pseudo-random play in this or any computer game, how good
>is the simulation?
>
>It seems tough to win on this game, tougher than in an actual casino.
>If nothing else it is good practice for card counting. One thing about
>this game, it rounds off wining bets. Example- if you bet $5.00 and get
>a blackjack, it pays you $7.00 instead of $7.50! Strange, not that tough
>to program with cents.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken

  I bought Casino Master a while back, so call me stupid.  The video poker
part doesnt even pay off right.  You get jacks or better, it gives you the
win AND your original bet, so any bet won paid off an extra 5 units.
And I always loved those CGA graphics, maybe it's gotten better but
most 4th graders can program better than that thing.

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:13:36 GMT

In article <17938@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:

>In Hold`em Poker for Advanced Players, Malmuth and Sklansky rate
>the opeing hands according to their own criteria.  (It's great
>but it'd be nice to see exactly how they derived the tables.)
>
>It seems to me that the hands could be ranked better by a purely
>rigorous mathematical evaluation of all the opening hands.  

Considering that Sklansky was a professional actuary and that Malmuth
is a professional mathematician, what makes you think that wasn't how
they created the tables in the first place??

If you've got a better idea for ranking pockets, we're all ears...

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: jimp@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jim Piercy)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Advisor Party?
Summary: Flamingo Gratis?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:58:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov11.214256.16531@sei.cmu.edu> weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock) writes:
>
>Besides me, are any of you folks planning on attending the free party that
>Harrah's is throwing for subscribers to the Las Vegas Advisor on December 20,
>and 21?
>
Yes, I'm planning to attend.

>I'm planning on arriving the night of December 19th and taking advantage of
>the free room at the Stardust, then move to Harrah's for two nights to take
>advantage of the free rooms during the party.  I'll probably move again for
>two more free nights at the Flamingo before heading home for Christmas.
>
Are the free nights at the Flamingo from a LVA deal that I've overlooked?

By the way, thank you Chuck for all of the information about the Las Vegas
Advisor.  I've enjoyed their articles and benefitted from the coupons and 
other offers.

Jim Piercy
jimp@jeeves.ucsd.edu
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From: edan@netcom.com (Edan Shalev)
Subject: craps
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:22:33 GMT

I just subscribed to this newsgroup so this is probably a FAQ...
but does anyone have a special combination of bets for craps
that either cover eachother or come out a bit ahead in the long run?

my last 2 visits to vegas proved that betting on the 6 and 8 (with odds)
when the table was "hot" and betting on the dont pass when the table
was "cold" seemed to have worked well.  I only made about $75/hr
but for the 2 trips i have gone craps has gotten me ahead, where
blackjack (with the 5 decks) usually empties my pockets.

anyway what im trying to ask is if there are any good combination
of bets or stratagies one has proven to be worthwhile (like getting thrown
out) that I could use on my vegas trip this weekend?

thanks
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From: kolt@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Re: Penetration was Re: Excalibur was {Re: SD rules (was Re: AMEX Trop Deal)
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:57:47 GMT

In article <eric.115.0@hup.ucla.edu> eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) writes:
I previously wrote
>>I have a coupla questions about penetration. It seems that most people talk
>>about % of the deck dealt out. This does not seem important as a figure 
>>taken alone. A figure I use, which is biased to a player using few strategy
>>adjustments, is "avg. # of cards dealt before each bet." This help show
>>how much better a head on game can be. It also shows why 3x3, even tho you
>>see fewer cards than 2x7, is just as good a game, since avg # cards b4 each
>>bet is equal.
>>
>Huh?  Why is an equal # of cards seen between each bet important?  The 
>important factor is not having too many cards shuffled away.  Eg a 3x3 game
>exposes 12 hands (incl. dealers) with an average of 2.7 cards each or a 
>total of 32.4 cards, leaving almost 20 cards.  
I didn't say between bets. Anyway, my point is, in a  game with less TOTAL
penetration, your average amount of knowledge at each decision time (play
or bet, but primarily bet) will be as high or higher with fewer hands in
play. 

In a 3x3 game you see the same avg. # of cards b4 each bet that you do in a
2x7 game, assuming you see all the cards. As a result, even tho they deal 
fewer cards in this game, you seem to be in the same relative position. This
is why 2x6 is such a marginal game (14 total hands dealt), but 6 rounds head
on (similar to 2x5, an abysmal game) is a very good game.

Any ideas?
MK

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:24:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Nov13.002534.947@trl.oz.au> jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes:

>I was surprised to read that some books on poker advise
>staying pat with 4-of-a-kind (5-card draw, of course, it
>goes, or rather, should have gone without saying).

>Staying pat betrays a straight, a flush, a full-house, or...
>a bluff. But discarding one card normally shows two pairs,
>more rarely a four-flush or a 4-card straight.
>Since two pairs is a good raising hand,
>what is the point of trying to appear as having a straight 
>or better? In my view, it can only have players fold who
>would not have on smelling two pairs, 4 to a flush or 
>a straight. It's a rare case, I think, when someone else
>will have enough to stay against a pat hand, and the
>loss of the bets by other players does not seem to
>make worthwhile to stay pat with 4 of a kind. Does it?


Doesn't it depend very much WHICH 2 pair you have?  I seem to recall the 
probability of improving 2 pair by drawing 1 is so low that you're better 
off standing pat - leaves the other players guessing.  And if it's the wrong 
2 pair you'll probably be better off folding.  then again it's over 2 years 
since I played draw.

  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: Red 5's at the Trop story.
Summary: I have a better story....
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:42:01 GMT

In article <1e9a9iINNgrf@gap.caltech.edu> cuf@cco.caltech.edu writes:
>So you want a story about the Jackpot 21 at the Trop,
>
>	I was playing at the over/under table (8 deck) Sunday for 
>one time thru the shoe just to get away from the pink of the
>Circus Circus for an hour or so. The trop offers what it calls
>Jackpot 21. If you get 4 red fives, you win the Jackpot which 
>happened to be $2,700 this morning. 
[story of a guy hitting the jackpot after the dealer warns him to not
double down, but to go for the jackpot after he gets 2 red 5s.]
> 
I have a better story.  Two summers ago, my wife and I go to Las Vegas
for the second time, to meet some friends that have been there a lot.
They get us a room at the Trop at the casino rate as part of a
promotional deal.  We arrive early and check in, and while waiting for my
friends, she decides to take a nap (she was on call the night before and
didn't sleep) and I decide to try my hand at some Blackjack.  I go
downstairs and find a spot next to third base, and am doing O.K. for a
while when the guy next to me gets two red fives, flips them over, and
doubles down.  The dealer points to the jackpot sign over out head and
asks if he wouldn't rather go for the 4 red 5 jackpot.  He calmly looks at 
her and says: (drumroll) 
            "But this is a single deck game!"

-- 
Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
From: jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: GAMBLER'S MATE Week 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:53:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov18.194001.26800@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:
>In article <4520.120.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) writes:
>>To those using GAMBLER'S MATE: Football Edition 1992,
>
>I'm beginning to think this package is a joke. It doesn't really exist, does
>it??? It couldn't be shareware, anyway -- it isn't in any of the usual spots.

If you review some earlier posts, many express similar opinions about
the Centigram Quad X5 Matrix, and you don't see them posting much
anymore, do you? A lot of people use G-mate, actually, and with the
correct 60% success rate it boasts. The same could be said of The CQX5M.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Splitting 10's (was Re: LV recommedations requested...)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:24:17 GMT

In article <JACOBS.92Nov9205337@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.021330.12874@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:

>> Preliminary simulation results indicate that it costs close to 20%
>> of overall profit if you fail to split 10's.
>
>20%?  I'm extremely skeptical of this claim.  You are saying that a card
>counter with a 1.5% edge will have a 1.8% edge by adding just this one
>strategy adjustment?  I really doubt it.  I might believe that correct
>insurance plays would be worth that much, but not splitting 10s.

Sorry for waiting a while to respond...

Someone emailed me saying he found not splitting 10's will cost 17%
of expected winnings; as I recall I found that it costs 17% of return
on investment, but I can't find that old article.  So a 1.8%
bankroll-per-hour-return-on-investment counter would have a 1.5%
bankroll-per-hour-return-on-investment just by dropping this one
adjustment.

However, I imagine the effect would be very different in a fixed number
of rounds situation versus a fixed minimum penetration situation.  You
can imagine splitting 10's being worth much more in a fixed number of
rounds situation, much less in a minimum penetration situation.  So I'd
have to run four very long simulations to figure out what's going on.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ "Card counting doesn't work." - E. Clifton Davis
NASA Ames Research Center\ "Tell that to my bankroll."  - Michael Hall
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