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From: bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Neil, would you please comment on this?
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:19:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Marty Connor:
|I respectfully disagree with this attitude.  We do immense good for
|Apple Computer by using and testing their software for them.  The
|electronic distribution of their software helps to secure market share
|for their proprietary hardware and operating system.  
|I personally find statements such as the one quoted above to be
|offensive because they imply that people who believe Apple is less
|than benificent are somehow misguided.
|I believe Apple is far too litigious and repressive.
|This is my opinion.

I think it's clear that Apple cares about its Usenet/BBS/User Group
users, since it allows software to be distributed by these means.
Network distribution is a legal headache. Apple is not making these
headaches up, either. Because of the way that patent, trademark, and
copyright laws work in the US, Apple must actively protect its
patents, trademarks, and copyrights to keep them.

An Example: MUZAK, INC, has a team of people that watch newspapers,
magazines, TV, radio, etc., to detect and report trademark
infringements. When they find them, they send letters to the
offenders, asking them to refrain from misusing the trademarks. If
they didn't do this, and enough people mis-used the trademark, then a
court could decide that MUZAK is now a generic term for "elevator
music", not a unique trademark for the special brand of music purveyed
by MUZAK, INC. Just recently, for example, the San Jose based free
tabloid "Metro" printed such a letter from MUZAK, INC. By sending a
letter to Metro, they were defending their trademark.

I know it sounds stupid and crazy, but it keeps lots of people
employed, and until someone changes the laws, that's the way it's
going to be.

Similarly, unless Apple actively prevents people from distributing its
system software without the proper licenses and permissions, it stands
to lose copyrights, patents, and trademarks on that software. Since
Apple thinks that its software is a strong competitive advantage, they
do not wish to lose those protections, and therefore are compelled by
the laws to protect those copyrights, trademarks, and patents.

Apple is behaving the same way other companies would, provided they
distributed their software on networks. Since other companies
apparently don't, you don't see similar behavior in other companies.

You can make up your own minds about whether Mr Shapiro was kowtowing
to Apple by being deferential. Then again, it's in CompuServe's best
interests to keep having Apple system software on their archives. I'm
sure you can find cynical motive enough in that.

bill coderre
there is a reason for the madness
From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Large number of files on one hard disk ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:01:47 GMT
Organization: Research Institute of Scripps Clinic; La Jolla, CA

A friend of mine needs to maintain a large number of small files on
a file server (Appleshare 3.0, SE/30, 5 megs RAM) and has only one
hard disk that he can use as server volume. The actual size of the
files is not a problem (only 105 of 200 megs are filled), but their
number: 5500 files in one volume! I seem to remember that this is
not recommended due to management problems.
If anyone cares to comment or point out potential problems/solutions,
I would appreciate it. If there is enough interest, I will summarize
to the net.

Thanks,


Thomas            COLLET@SCRIPPS.EDU
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: is TuneUp 1.1 available for FTP?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr8.004013.28242
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr7.194245.11980@morrow.stanford.edu>, XT.VBM@forsythe.stanford.edu (V. Bandeira de Mello) writes:
> 
> Is System7 Tune up v1.1 available at SUMEX?
> Could someone point me to the right direction?
> Thanks.
> 
> 

You can anonymous ftp Tune-up 1.1 from "ftp.apple.com" in directory
dts/mac/sys.soft/sys 7.0 Tune-up ...... The one in there is 1.1
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Disk Compressors: Now, Really, What's The Difference?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:09:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <JACKR.92Mar31202955@dblues.dblues.wpd.sgi.com>, jackr@dblues.wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning) writes:
> 
> Now, a number of reports of incompatibilities between AutoDoubler and
> other apps, such as GateKeeper and several Norton Utilities, are coming
> in.  So apparently I don't want AD, either.
> 
> Hey, SuperD fans!  Anyone had compatibility problems like this?

The latest version of Gatekeeper is compatible with AutoDoubler.  I haven't
seen any problems with the Norton Stuff, though Filesaver is supposed to
slow AD down a bit - I haven't measured it. (I suspect you'd see that with
any "real-time" compression utility).

-tony


>>usual disclaimer<<
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Neil, would you please comment on this?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:11:02 GMT

In article <43715@spt.entity.com>, mdc@spt.entity.com (Marty Connor) writes:
> 
> In article <920406144529_76703.401_EHB43-1@CompuServe.COM> 76703.401@CompuServe.COM (Neil Shapiro) writes:
> >We, as an electronic community -- whether MAUG is our homebase, GEnie, AOL,
> >or wherever -- cannot afford to lose the immense privilege that Apple has 
> >granted us vis-avis electronic distribution of their copyrighted
> >software. With 
> >this great privilege has come only a modicum of responsibility -- an 
> >Agreement which is not difficult to interpret or to follow. 
> >Kudos to Apple Computer for caring more about their customers then any other 
> >computer company! We owe them our respect and allegiance to such Agreements.
> >-- Neil Shapiro
> >   Chief Sysop [MAUG(R) on CompuServe]
> 
> I respectfully disagree with this attitude.  We do immense good for
> Apple Computer by using and testing their software for them.  The
> electronic distribution of their software helps to secure market share
> for their proprietary hardware and operating system.  

I disagree with your attitude.  Apple owns the software, and has sole
discretion as to who can distribute it, where it can be distributed,
and by what means it can be distributed.  No matter how pure your
motives, no matter how much you may think that you are helping, no
matter how altrusitic you may be, you do not have the right to unilaterally
decide what to do with other people's property.

> I personally find statements such as the one quoted above to be
> offensive because they imply that people who believe Apple is less
> than benificent are somehow misguided.

I find statements such as yours to be offensive because they imply that
yours is the only opinion worth anything and that you have the right to
ignore rules, regulations, and laws to suit your whims--especially when
taken in context with your latter posts on this subject.

> I believe Apple is far too litigious and repressive.
> This is my opinion.

I believe that you are too oblivious to the lubrication that makes our
society funcion.
This is my opinion.

I speak for no one other than myself; I especially do not speak for my
employer or any other organization.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: quickergraf CDEV ???
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:37:08 GMT

heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes) writes:

>		So, has anyone got any information about this CDEV. 	
>If it does speed quickdraw and I can use it it would be very useful.

 QuickerGraf (once called QuickerDraw) was a nifty hack that Andy
Hertzfeld, one of the legendary programmers who wrote much of the
original Macintosh ROMs, put together years ago. Basically it was a
number of patches that modified some of Colour QuickDraw's loops. Sped
things up considerably, but only *colour* QD - it didn't do anything
for QD on non-colour machines. Apple got the code off him and
worked it into the system ages ago. If you're using a halfway recent
system, you don't need QuickerGraf.

 Actually, that reminds me. Does anyone know what Hertzfeld and some
of the other Macintosh whizzes are up to? Like Burrell Smith, Steve
Capps, Bill Atkinson... (I've heard rumours of a post HyperCard
project with Atkinson, but nothing substantial)

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: MAC Trivia
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:56:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.bill.702651370
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:


>In article <wdrvN3q00ioEQ2PERL@andrew.cmu.edu> (comp.sys.mac.system), mg4s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marissa Gonzalez) writes:
>> Is there any meaning behind the Mac "SE", "si","ci","fx" etc...
>> 
>> No one around here seems to know and I've never run across any explaination.

>Conjecture on my part, but that stops few on the net!

>The two Macs with "i" in their names (ci,si) both have internal video.
>So the it could mean internal video.

>The "c" Macs (cx,ci) are compact Mac II's (compared to the original
>Mac II that is).

>The "x" started with the Mac IIx which was a Mac II with an 68030
>in it.  This seems to have continued with cx and fx.

>So with the above rules you get:

>Mac II		Simply a second generation Macintosh
>Mac IIx		A Mac II with a 68030 in it.
>Mac IIcx				"				 in a compact box.
>Mac IIci	A compact Mac II with internal video (ut could have been
>				cxi to follow the above rules, but that's probably too long)
>Mac IIfx	A "f"aster Mac IIx.
>Mac IIsi	A "s"porty (???!) Mac II with internal video.

>Mac LC		Obviously Low Cost color Mac.

>I don't knwo where Mac SE came from.  But Plus is easy (follows in the
>Apple II/Plus foot steps).  As is SE/30 (SE with a 68030 - this of
>course should have been a Mac SEx, but wasn't for obvious reasons).

>Classic is pure marketing speak.

>When they upgraded the Classic and LC to use 68030 processors they
>tacked II onto the end, not meaning a Mac II class Mac (Mac II = NuBus),
>but rather a second generation Classic or LC.

>The newer machines have a new naming convention consisting of a
>family name plus a number.  This gives us PowerBook 100,140,170 and 
>Quadra 700, 900.

>Then there was the Macintosh Portable.  I have no idea why they named
>it this way!

there was an article in macuser? macworld? that discussed this very thing
not to long ago. if i can find it i'll post, if someone else does?
but as i recall from the article the above definitions are pretty close.

--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Using foreign fonts with System 7.0.1
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:01:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: claris.14164
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <1992Apr8.183528.28510@das.harvard.edu>, molla@paone.uucp (Levent Mollamustafaoglu) writes:
> 
> I have a curious problem with System 7.0.1. I use foreign fonts
> (Turkish) occasionally when I have to write some document in
> my own language. I have a Mac Classic II with System 7.0.1
> (Tuned-Up) at home and a Mac II ci with the same system con-
> figuration in the office.
> 
> I put Bitmapped and TrueType versions of the fonts that I
> wanted into the system file. Everything seems to be OK, I
> can see the Turkish fonts (which have a few additional
> characters like c with cedilla-as in French etc.) regard-
> less of their being TT or bitmapped. But when I want to
> print them (from Word 4.0), the printer (LaserWriter
> Plus) prints out the equivalent (strange) symbols from
> the English fonts. If I de-select "Substitute Fonts"
> from the Page Setup menu, I can get my fonts, but of
> course not the Postscript ones, since the system now
> creates bitmapped version of the fonts, which are 
> terrible.

The problem is that for some reaon, you are not getting your
TrueType fonts printed. When you turn on Font Substitution,
you're telling the system and printer to substitute the
most appropriate font that is built in to the LaserWriter
and not to use your Turkish font.  From your description,
it seems that you do not have any Turkish PostScript fonts
in your system; all you mentioned having installed only the
bit-mapped and TrueType fonts.  When you select a font size,
are all the sizes outlined in the Size menu?  If not, then
you aren't using the TrueType fonts.  If they are, and you
still get the bit-mapped rendition from the printer, I
don't know what the problem is.

I hope that I've been of some help.

--Mike

Speaking, as always, only for myself.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long)
Subject: Re: utility to change the sound level
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 APR 92 13:18:13    


In article <1992Apr7.130048.2765@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy) writes...
>is there an init that will allow me to switch the volume level by
>using a keyboard-mouse combination (sort of like depth charge for changing

 Quickeys II from CE Software can do this. It's also enormously useful for
 other things, including screen depth changing.

Richard C. Long			long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com
			  -or-	...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long   		
			  -or-	long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: The Font from Hell!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:15:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Yesterday I tried to remove a bit-map font by dragging it from the system file
to the trash. Sure enough, after re-starting, the font is gone from the system
file, but it's STILL ON FONT MENUS for WORD etc., and you can still select and
use it. How can I get rid of this font??

My setup: SE/30, 5/40 system 7, new Tune-up

More info: The font in question is the one called simply "Garamond" which I got
with the ATM offer, and it has no associated postscript font (which is why I tried
to get rid of it!). I can drag other fonts out of the system file with no trouble,
and they stay dragged out!!

Maybe I did something dumb (not the first time!) but this just looks weird. I
suppose I could try re-installing the system, but I'd prefer not to, because
it's a hassle, besides being pretty unsatisfactory!
-- 
-jeremy henderson        | 
egpv29@uk.ac.ed.castle   | Vote Conservative on April 1st
From: trevor@celece.ucsd.edu (Trevor Henthorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: SCSI spinup
Keywords: SCSI disk
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:23:26 GMT

From what I've seen most SCSI drives for the Mac spin up
as soon as you turn them on. Quantum drives come with
SS (self-startup) jumpers that ensure this. I have
a SCSI drive sitting on my desk that requires a 
SCSI spin up command before it will spin up. The Mac
does not seem to send this command upon booting
(the NeXT, Sun, various musical instruments... all
do). I'm sure that there must be some SCSI spin-up
and spin-down utilities out there. Has anyone
seen any????


Please e-mail
Trevor Henthorn
trevor@ece.ucsd.edu
From: steve@CATICSUF.CSUFRESNO.EDU (Steve Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Apple, please tell us more about S7 TuneUp
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:23:45 GMT


barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort) writes:

>Having installed S7 Tuneup, and having experienced the typical occasional
>system crashes, I would appreciate knowing what problems are attributable
>to the TuneUp, so that I can segregate problems which are unrelated to
>S7 TuneUp and continue working on them while awaiting TuneUp 7.1.1.
[...]
>I am getting Finder Bus Errors of late, which I never got before.  Are
>these related to the S7 TuneUp, or are they most likely caused by an
>unrelated problem?

ARRRRRRGGG!!!  Version numbers please!

Are you running 7.0 or 7.0.1?  Are you running TuneUp 1.0 or 1.1?

What are you *doing* when Finder Bus Errors pop up?

Oh yeah, what machine is it (II, IIcx, IIci, etc..)?

-- 
|#| Steve Mitchell / System Administrator                      KD6BET |#|
|#| California Agricultural Technology Institute      +1 209 278 5675 |#|
|#| California State University, Fresno           steve@csufresno.edu |#|
|#| Fresno, CA  93740-0115                     "Now, Steve is happy." |#|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Problem with Tuneup 1.1
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:36:16 GMT

While reading article <aland.702845141@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>, I noticed that
aland@cs.brandeis.edu said the following:
 >Does anyone know what the problem is with Tuneup 1.1?
 >
 >We're having a problem where trying to copy a file after Tuneup was
 >installed produces an error -50, 'unable to copy'.  This is on a
 >Quadra 700...

Check elsewhere; TuneUp 1.1 works just spiffy on my Q700...
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed above
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "It's Night 9 with D2 Dave!"
From: rmorgan@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com (Rockie Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Mac IIci finder/desktop forgetting its in color
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: rmorgan@pyramid.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Seattle R&D

We have a Mac IIci with a Radius Color Pivot.  Periodically, installing
some new piece of software causes the finder/desktop to forget its running
on a 16 color display (i.e.  the finder menu-bar apple is displayed in
b&w instead of color.)  By re-installing all software, we can correct the
problem.  Some applications, such as resedit continue to display the full
color apple in their menu bar, but the apple reverts to black on exiting
resedit.

Question:  does anyone know the cause, and better still, the cure for this
problem?  Our harddisk is full, and its a pain to reload everything.

Details:  it is an 8MB Mac IIci, running System 7.1.1 and the current releases
of the radius software.

Thanks in advance,

Rockie Morgan                                Pyramid Technology Corporation
rmorgan@pyramid.com                      Northwest Software Engineering Lab
          Si hoc signum legere potis, operis boni in rebus latinis
                    alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes
From: ebido@bio.vu.nl (Etienne Bido)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: cute diskdrive icons
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:52:26 GMT
Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

I' ve noticed that when using some apps. or DA's there are two icons
for the internal and external drive. I like those icons because they
show which disk is in the internal/external drive.
Is there a way to have the finder automatically use those icons when
you insert a disk?
I've been looking for them but I can't find those icons in the system
or he finder. Where are they stored?
I know that you can give each disk a different icon but they keep
that icon whether you put the disk in the int. or the ext. drive.

thanx!     
-- 
Etienne Bido			|ebido@bio.vu.nl    
Vrye Universiteit		|bido@chem.vu.nl
Amsterdam
The Netherlands
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Norton Utilities 2.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:59:24 GMT
Distribution: na

Takeshi Miyazaki writes
+ 
+ Have anyone got the new version of Norton Utilities? Is it worth
+ upgrade? 
+ 
+ (I saw a notice below in AOL)
+ 
+ -----------------------
+ 
+ Norton Utilities for Macintosh version 2.0 is available at
+ a suggested retail price of $149.  Customers who have earlier
+ versions of Norton Utilities for Macintosh or SUM can upgrade
+ to version 2.0 for $39 (plus $8 for shipping and handling).
+ It works with Macintosh Plus and higher with 1MB of RAM, 2MB
+ of RAM for System 7 and is compatible with System 6.0.4 and
+ higher.

Does this mean it's available (now or soon)? I *just* bought
NU 1.1.2 - as in 4 days ago. We'll see if I have to pay for 
the upgrade....

Oh, BTW, if you have a sick disk and you can't get at the data, and NU's
can retrieve it, it *IS* worth every penny. Trust me.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe)
Subject: Re: Norton killed my Mac
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:41:58 GMT

9001648@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at writes:

>I had finally decided to optimize my badly fragmented HD.

I strongly doubt that Norton is truly responsible for your HD problems.
If it has been THAT long since you ran any HD utility, your HD probably
was a crash waiting to happen.  Most likely, a sector was corrupt and
Speed Disk fell over it.  Did you run NU on the HD (I love acronyms :-)
after the crash?  More importantly, was the HD backed up?

>-- Marcus   9001648@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at

                                                            Kurt
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Don Gillies)
Subject: Re: DeskWriter V3.0 Drivers
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:53:16 GMT

HP should, if possible, provide the files via ftp:

(1) ftp allows people to pick up the files instantly, at the user's
convenience.

(2) ftp saves HP mailing costs, mailing materials, labor, etc.

(3) ftp saves floppy disks -- it reduces the environmental damage that
accrues from manufacturing a bunch of floppy disks

(4) no matter what you think, ftp is a more reliable transfer
mechanism than floppy disks.  As someone who has had their bought and
paid for software go bad just 12 hours out of the box, it sure is
superior to have software available via ftp, in case of transfer errors.

(5) if I get a piece of freeware via ftp, then i needn't keep the
original floppy disks, since copies can always be obtained from the
distribution site.  If i get a piece of freeware via the mails,
then I feel obligated to keep the floppy disks, i.e. the disks go to
waste.  This is probably a stupid byproduct of my own psychology, I
admit. 

(6) if there is a bug in the HP print drivers, ftp allows HP to
release a bug fix much faster and will save HP even more money in the
long run.  FTP will make the users happier faster.

(7) the least HP could do would be to put the software on a BBS so
that people could dial up and download it immediately.

- Don



--
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Latest Tuneup hoses Personal File Sharing?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:44:51 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.135226.13466@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
> 
> 
> I have heard that Appple has recinded Tuneup 1.1.  Look for Tuneup 1.1.1 soon.
> I don't know the nature of the problems.

According to Apple, the problem is with low-memory conditions.