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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Alternative Mainstream
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:58:29 GMT

leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

>Brian May says:
>>True, this country does have a posessive love for American Orientated Rock.
>>It is mainly a blind love affair ;-) Mention music and sampler/synth/sequencer/
>>drum machine/etc in the same breath to some people and their hair literally 
>>falls out!  Or "What?!  No percussion _at all_?? That's not music!?"

You mean, "No GUITARS? Where's the guitar??? THat's not music!!!!!"
Well, what the f*** is it then? :)
>>It is good when something different enters the mainstream.  The only problem 
>>comes after the fact, when 1/2 the world's musicians copy that change.  The 
>>enormous success of Nirvana will have opened a few musical minds, but on the 
>>whole I would dare to say, it just changed the mainstream focus from one 
>>genre to another.

Well, quite a few bands copy Nirvana's sound now, and basically all it means
is that another alternative sound gets absorbed into the mainstream. I
certainly consider Nirvana mainstream now. So is House. Even techno has
some mainstream, like 2 unlimited.

Paul

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From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:17:58 GMT

cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>	on wednesday steve was playing axe.
>	they had three guitars and no bass!
>	admittly steve was playing bass riffs on his guitar.

>	I thought it was odd - but not being a church expert I didnt
>know if it was an oddity or normal for them!

Um..  sorry dude.. but Steve WAS playing bass.. just a six string one..
he often plays six string bass..  I must admit, I wondered what he was doing
when I saw the 6 stringed instrument in his hands, but I quickly worked
it out..

Matt..
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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Keywords: church
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 05:43:32 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.024524.8059@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith) writes:

|> Nothing unusual yet, but hold on to yer black t-shirts, Steve announced that
|> this was the LAST TIME they were playing in Melbourne.  This was greeted by a
|> stunned silence as the crowd tried to figure out what this meant exactly.   It
|> sounded to me like a break-up announcement.  I hope I'm wrong, but there's no

Poor old Steve - someone should have told him to save that line for Friday
night, when they play the Palace, Melbourne!

brian
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Prices ?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:21:53 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
>The _average_ seems to be:

>Major labels:

>CDEP		$5-8
The packaging of most $5 and a lot of more expensive cd singles is
deplorable. Shitty cardboard thin sleeve. It's even worse than a
digipak (which is becoming uncomfortably common as well). They really
are ripping us off. Personally, I'd prefer to pay a few cents more
to get a plastic case, than pay the same for shitter packaging.

>CD album	$28
That's the usual marked price, but many shops have sales so you'd be
pretty crazy to buy easily available CDs for this much! JB's sells most
mainstream CDs for 24, Virgin has a rather wide selection, often at
$25 or other sale-type gimmicks to make them cheap (like scratchies)
and Gaslight has the best selection, and it's pretty easy to get a
10% card there. They often have 20% sales too.

>Indies:

>CDEP		$8-12
>CD album	$20-28
I must say, Severed Heads material has been so affordable and realistically
priced, despite Australia being rather unimportant as a SH market (their
main area is US/Canada). Retread is 67 mins long (a remix album) and is
$14 or so. Cuisine was originally $20, and contains 18 tracks. I wonder
who took the pay cut, SH or Volition/Nettwerk?

>Imports:

>CDEP		$15+
>CD album	$30+

Truly shocking. Let me remind all consumers to avoid Collector's Corner and
check out Gaslight for unusual/alternative releases.

Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: a few reviews
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 04:41:41 GMT


In article <3307@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
|> 	the Church
|> 
|> 	I have never been a very big fan (other than unguarded moment)
|> of this band; and after seeing them last night at .... theatre (cnr of
|> carisle and barkley sts) am even less so.  I am still not sure whether 
|> they had different songs or just one long one with stops in it.
|> 	very dull	3/10

Do you think the venue helped ruin any atmosphere that might have been there?
I saw the White Gloves film festival there on Sunday.  The place really is a
theatre/cinema.  Having said that, They Might Be Giants weren't too bad there
a year or two ago.  The venue's an 800 seater 'cinema' style for those outside
of Melbourne.  Maybe they'll go down better at the Palace tomorrow night..

|> 
|> 	Kim Salmon and the surealists
|> 	
|> 	not sure if the name's right.  They were playing in the front room at
|> the palace last night and they were damn entertaining.
|> 	I was laughing the whole time - but in genuine enjoyment (not mocking).
|> Buckets of wah. Buckets of attitude. put the church to shame.
|> They were so good I saw more of them than cummings even though I had to pay
|> to see him.
|> 	K.A. 9/10

Agreed - saw KS at the Punters Club a few months ago & was most impressed.
STM is another band he's in - 3 piece - upright bass, Kim & a drummer (I 
think).  Do you mean the front room of the Palace or the Esplanade?  I think
you went to the Espy........irrelevant really!

brian
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From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: Top 10 singles -> The U.K.
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: General Access UNIX group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:17:08 GMT


            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 SINGLES in the U.K.              ||
           || For the week ending: Friday 16th OCTOBER 92 ||
 __________|/=============================================\|__________
/                                                                     \
1. ( 2) SLEEPING SATELLITE - Tasmin Archer
2. ( 1) EBENEEZER GOODE - The Shamen 
3. ( 4) END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men
4. ( 3) IT'S MY LIFE - Dr. Alben
5. ( 7) MY NAME IS PRINCE - Prince
6. (--) LOVE SONG / ALIVE AND KICKING - Simply Minds
7. (--) I'M GONNA GET YOU - Bizarre Inc.
8. ( 5) IRON LION ZION - Bob Marley
9. (--) EROTICA - Madonna
10. ( 8) BAKER STREET - Undercover
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
( ) Denotes CHART POSITION last week.
NEW - Indicates single new to top 10.
Chart supplied by OUR PRICE MUSIC (U.K.)
\____________________________________________________________________/

These singles were in the top 10 last week:

    /===============================================================\
   || 6. DRIVE - R.E.M.                                             ||
   || 9. MY DESTINY - Lionel Ritchie                                ||
   || 10. THEME FROM M.A.S.H. - The Maniac Street Preachers         ||
    \===============================================================/ 

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          || Mail to this address if you have any questions ||
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From: ins141f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Adam Bradley)
Subject: Re: Brian May's new song - Too much love will kill you
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:38:47 GMT

Craig Fisher (fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au) wrote:


:>local import store here last week, but haven't seen the CD single
:>anywhere yet - shall keep looking.
:>
:>-Craig
:>-- 

	Further to Craig's comments, I saw the CD single in a Brashes store
in Melbourne (Southland in Moorabbin)  It contains the usual plastic sheath
(really) and the disc itself is contained inbetween two circular pieces of
packaging (sorry memory is poor!)  Didnt shell out the $6.95 for it
but I will convinse myself to soon.  3 other tracks on it... I think 2 very
different versions (instrumental and edit (I think)) and another different
track, though I cant be sure.

	Deserves Airplay.  It is a very good song.  Looking forward to hearing
the version with Freddy singing in it.  Moving. 

	The only time I heard it was about 3 weeks ago on UK chart attack.
Wasn't on of the songs in the chart but was played as a 'special' song.

		
Regards,

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From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: Top 10 singles -> The U.S.A.
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: General Access UNIX Group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:18:04 GMT


            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 SINGLES in the U.S.              ||
           || For the week ending: Friday 16th OCTOBER 92 ||
 __________|/=============================================\|__________
/                                                                     \
1. ( 1) END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men [9 weeks at #1]
2. ( 2) SOMETIMES LOVE JUST AIN'T ENOUGH - Patty Smyth
3. ( 3) JUMP AROUND - House Of Pain
4. ( 4) HUMPIN' AROUND - Bobby Brown
5. ( 6) SHE'S PLAYING HARD TO GET - Hi-Five
6. ( 7) PLEASE DON'T GO - K.W.S.
7. (10) I'D DIE WITHOUT YOU - P.M. Dawn
8. ( 9) WHEN I LOOK INTO YOUR EYES - Firehouse
9. ( 5) BABY-BABY-BABY - TLC
10. ( 8) PEOPLE EVERYDAY - Arrested Development
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
( ) Denotes chart position last week.
NEW - Indicates single new to top 10.
Chart supplied by the CASHBOX SINGLES SURVEY.
\____________________________________________________________________/

These singles were in the top 10 last week:

   /===========================================================\
   \===========================================================/ 

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From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:31:52 GMT
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Distribution: aus
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct13.060229.6927@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:
>To digress a little:  can anyone tell me the time signature of John Cage's
>4'33"?  I can't work it out by listening to the cd...
>
>;-)
>
>matt
>
Wouldn't it be in free time.

Has anyone ever seen or heard what the "score" for this is like? There must
be some rules for the performance beyond the time length for each movement.

Mark
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From: leeSJ@elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Lee)
Subject: Who are Cleopatra Wong?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:43:59 GMT


Hi all,

Managed to rent the Cleopatra Wong EP CD the other day,
and was quitue impressed by it.  I thought it was similar
in style to Voice of the Beehive and just as good.

My question is, who are they?  I was told that they
were members from some other Australian bands
but I have no idea apart from that.

Any comments welcome.

Thanks in advance,
Simon.
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		--Billy Bragg,
From: pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:45:52 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics, NSW, Australia

In article <acc.719023944@munagin>, acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang) writes:
> Hi fellow net-ers out there,
> 
> Me and a few friends are starting a club on campus that's going to be called,
> at this stage, The Alternative Music and Politics Club.  Here is a brief
> guide to the aims of the club and what it will hopefully be able to offer to
> club members :   
> 
> 
> (2) The music side of the club is very important.  We intend to organize bands,
> good alternative bands(could be metal, or rock, but must be alternative) to
> play on campus throughout the year.  We'll also organize fun parties and stuff.
> Nightclubs, bars, beaches, concerts and drinking parties will all be the main
> features of the club.
> 
> (4) If what's been said hasn't appealed to you, well then think about this.  We
> will be having wild parties with lots of drinks, music, people of the *right*
> type for others to socialize with.

Good luck with your club, but I'm a bit disappointed that the social
activities, ie wild parties with booze, beach, night clubs etc are awfully
mainstream kinds of fun. :-)

-- 

Be seeing you!

Patrick.

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From: rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee])
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: "Promotion only"
Date: 14 Oct 1992 11:05:34 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

I've recently picked up a copy of the Falling Joys "Incinerator" CD single.
the plastic case bears the standard round sticker proclaiming "2 previously
unreleased tracks" etc., but the back of the insert has, in silver print, a
box stating "Promotion only  Not for sale".  I've seen other CDs around with
this type of statement printed on them (and all for sale!).  Does this have
any meaning - ie. is it really not for sale &/or limited release, or it just
a marketing ploy to make the buyer think it's something special? 

Any ideas?

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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: a few reviews
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:37:35 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
: (edited version)
: Do you think the venue helped ruin any atmosphere that might have been there?
:   Maybe they'll go down better at the Palace tomorrow night..
:
	I quite like the idea of a comfortable seating set-up
	But you're right it probably didn't help their kind of thing
	I think the espy will suit it better
 
: 
: Agreed - saw KS at the Punters Club a few months ago & was most impressed.
: STM is another band he's in - 3 piece - upright bass, Kim & a drummer (I 
: think).  Do you mean the front room of the Palace or the Esplanade?  I think
: you went to the Espy........irrelevant really!
:
	quite right (sorry) it was the espy of course.
	what does STM stand for?
	Where are they playing (if at all still)?
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:15:21 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
: 
: >	They were brilliant - what they lacked in talent (and that aint
: >much - I'm talken compared to prince or someone) they more than made up
: >for in attitude.
: >				
: one thing: what is the prince comment meant to mean?

	exactly what it says - compared to prince they may not be great
musicians but they make upe for it in attitude.

: I have been a B-Boys fan for many years.ie I am not a:
: 	1)person who liked Fight for your Right to Party, bought the first 
: 	album, and then never liked them again until they became trendy now.
: 
: 	2)Skeg who is in to them cos they are trendy now.
: 

	I quite like they music - whether appropriated or created - but
have a bit of trouble liking their vocals - which is why I like the most
recent disk - less rap, more singing and more instrumentals.

: I think that pauls boutiqe was and is there best by far album, and i was at
: the show, and i went nutzoid when i heard egg-man!

	Agree that pauls boutique was mighty fine

: Back to the prince comment: I went to 2 prince shows and he is much more talented
:  and much better the the b-boys, there is no comparison. If you dont like
:  Princes music then dont bring it up.
:  Yo!
: 
	I don't want to start comparisons of worth and I never did.
	I mentioned prince as a diffinitive in musical talent!
	Suffices to say I all princes albums - but not all BBs!


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: #A500 3.5 and 5.25 drives.    #Public Enemy, C+C Music Factory, Prince, Hammer,#
: #Fujitsu DL1100 Printer.      #Erik B & Rakim, Bel Biv Devoe, Boys II Men,Kylie#
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	there is a prince mailing list - ask to get put on it by sending
	a request to:


	prince-request@icpsr.umich.edu



	CE
From: wcs@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Warren CARTER Smith)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:13:00 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang) writes:


 Here is a brief
>guide to the aims of the club and what it will hopefully be able to offer to
>club members :   

>(1) Being alternative is about being away from mainstream, let it be mainstream
>commercial top-40 music or mainstream politics generated by the propaganda of
>mainstream political parties.  We, as university students, are true adults and
>we should no longer be effected by what's hot, what's right or what's wrong as
>others tell us.
  We should develop an independent frame of mind, and that's whatthis club is for, indepedent fun-loving people who are *fed-up* with pop music
>and dirty politics generated by the Labor, Liberal and Left-Alliance Clubs on
>campus :)

	do you need to join a club to do these things ?

>(2) The music side of the club is very important.  We intend to organize bands,
>good alternative bands(could be metal, or rock, but must be alternative)
 to play on campus throughout the year.

	Will you support african drumming bands,  atonal music,
	etc, or will you prefer to go on drinking binges, and
	lose consciousness whilst listing to what is often refered to as
	'grunge music'.

	Alternative music is perhaps music the majority
of people do not wish to hear.  The main problem I have with
what many people term 'alternative music' is that it seems to be
more appropriately described as 'an alternative to music'.
From: u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: REM
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:01:53 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <187@anl.oz>, dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley) writes:
> REM's new album is fantastic .
> 
> It's better than "Out of time" .
Anythings better than Out Of Time

> 
> Buy it . Buy it . Buy it .

I Have. I Have. I Have.
> 
> -- 
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>  Information Technology ( Facilities Management )                                NET:   dudleyp@anl.oz.au
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>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: markw@cltr.uq.oz.au (Mark White)
Subject: Church concert in Brisbane October 10th
Keywords: church metropolis brisbane
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:36:56 GMT

The Church played Brisbane's Metropolis nightclub on Saturday night.
I believe the set list was identical to those already posted from the
Melbourne shows, and the mix sounded great.

My disappointment with the show stems largely from the fact that they
didn't play "Almost With You", although if they have played it at every
show since "Blurred Crusade" you can well imagine that they're sick of it
by now.  Of course us mere punters AREN'T, and a chant of "Almost With you"
started up just before the encore (And _I_ didn't start it, so there.....)

Wilson-Piper was simply outstanding - his guitar playing was better than I
remember from other gigs.  The new drummer also impressed the hell out of
me, as he did when I last saw them play at Transformers a few years ago.
And Kilbey?  Well let's just hope that the Church's proposed demise allows
him more time on his solo projects and recording with Grant MacLennan.

As an aside, has any of "All About Eve"'s recordings been released over
here?


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