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From: krobinso@encore.com (Kristine Robinson)
Subject: Relief Information
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:38:31 GMT

I read this in the paper last night.  These are answers to questions called
in by the public.  The media has been doing a fantastic job here keeping
people informed about how to donate/receive needed commodities.  The article
has information and phone numbers you "netters" may find useful.

Reprinted without permission from the _Sun_Sentinal_ (Fort Lauderdale),
Wednesday, September 2:

_Q_&_A_

Q.  I bought a bunch of stuff at Sam's Club and Wooley's and took three truck
loads to a children's day care center in Florida City.  I've also gotten money
donated from several of my friends.  Can I get a tax deduction for this?

A. To Qualify for a charitable deduction, the goods or money donated must go
directly to a non-profit organization, like the Red Cross, Daily Bread Food
Bank, churches of schools.  These organizations must be registered as non-
profit groups, or 501C3 organizations.  These registered organizations can
then distribute the items to individuals.  If you give money to an individual
yourself, it will not qualify as a charitable deduction.  You may not deduct
contributions for the value of your time or services.  However, if you are
incurring costs as a result of driving to and from the disaster site, such as
gas and oil, you can deduct the out-of-pocket expenses.

-Source:  Carole Belmar and Glenn Troast, Coopers & Lybrand; John Schnellmann,
Asst. Public Affairs Officer, Internal Revenue Service, Fort Lauderdate.

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Q.  How do I find out if my friends who live in south Dade are OK?

A.  The Miami Police Department, 1-305-579-6619, is handling inquiries and
missing person reports.

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Q.  We've collected a lot of pet food and animal feed but we've heard that it
is not getting to the animals.  Is there still a need for this food?

A.  Yes.  The Greater Miami Humane Society, 2101 NW 95th St., Miami and the
Dade County Animal Services, 7401 NW 74th St. in Miami both have facilities
for storage and are seeing that the food gets to the animals.  They ask you
call first before dropping items off.  The number for the Humane Society is
1-305-696-0800 and Animal Services, 1-305-885-1721.

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Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: jmasters@engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Mason Masters)
Subject: Track data for Andrew
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 12:53:21 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: alt.hurricane.andrew

INITIAL     17/0300Z 11.2N  38.3W    30 KTS
INITIAL     17/0900Z 11.6N  40.4W    30 KTS
INITIAL     17/1500Z 13.0N  43.3W    35 KTS
INITIAL     17/2100Z 13.4N  45.3W    40 KTS
INITIAL     18/0300Z 14.2N  47.1W    45 KTS
INITIAL     18/0900Z 14.3N  48.9W    45 KTS
INITIAL     18/1500Z 15.3N  51.2W    45 KTS
INITIAL     18/2100Z 15.9N  52.8W    45 KTS
INITIAL     19/0300Z 16.6N  54.4W    45 KTS
INITIAL     19/0900Z 17.6N  56.3W    45 KTS
INITIAL     19/1500Z 18.4N  57.8W    45 KTS
INITIAL     19/2100Z 19.2N  59.5W    45 KTS
INITIAL     20/1500Z 21.3N  61.3W    45 KTS
INITIAL     20/2100Z 22.3N  62.5W    40 KTS
INITIAL     21/0300Z 23.7N  63.0W    45 KTS
INITIAL     21/0900Z 24.3N  63.7W    50 KTS
INITIAL     21/1500Z 24.7N  64.6W    50 KTS
INITIAL     21/2100Z 25.2N  65.4W    50 KTS
INITIAL     22/0300Z 25.6N  66.5W    55 KTS
INITIAL     22/0900Z 25.8N  67.5W    65 KTS
INITIAL     22/1500Z 25.9N  69.0W    80 KTS
INITIAL     22/2100Z 25.9N  70.4W    85 KTS
INITIAL     23/0300Z 25.6N  71.9W    95 KTS
INITIAL     23/0900Z 25.5N  73.4W   105 KTS
INITIAL     23/1200Z 25.5N  74.1W   105 KTS
INITIAL     23/1500Z 25.4N  75.0W   115 KTS
INITIAL     23/1800Z 25.4N  75.8W   130 KTS
INITIAL     23/2100Z 25.4N  76.5W   130 KTS
INITIAL     24/0300Z 25.4N  78.1W   120 KTS
INITIAL     24/0900Z 25.4N  80.0W   120 KTS
INITIAL     24/1300Z 25.6N  81.8W   120 KTS
INITIAL     24/1500Z 25.7N  82.1W   120 KTS
INITIAL     24/2100Z 25.8N  83.9W   120 KTS
INITIAL     25/0300Z 26.3N  85.7W   120 KTS
INITIAL     25/0900Z 26.8N  87.4W   120 KTS
INITIAL     25/1500Z 27.5N  89.2W   120 KTS
INITIAL     25/2100Z 28.2N  90.3W   120 KTS
INITIAL     26/0300Z 29.0N  91.1W   120 KTS
INITIAL     26/0900Z 29.7N  91.7W   100 KTS INLAND
INITIAL     26/1500Z 30.5N  91.6W    65 KTS
INITIAL     26/1500Z 30.5N  91.6W    65 KTS
INITIAL     26/2100Z 31.2N  91.5W    45 KTS
INITIAL     27/0300Z 31.5N  91.0W    30 KTS
INITIAL     27/0900Z 32.2N  90.1W    30 KTS
INITIAL     27/1500Z 33.3N  84.5W    30 KTS
INITIAL     27/1500Z 33.3N  88.5W    30 KTS

  The above times for Andrew's positions are given in GMT (4 hours faster than
EDT). It is a complete list, except two fixes an the 19th are missing. I don't
have the pressure data, unfortunately.

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 Atmospheric, Oceanic, and Space Sciences
 University of Michigan                         //   Ph.D. Candidate and     \\
                                                ||     Creator of the        ||
                                                \\ "The Weather Underground" //
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From: drmres38@ucs.usl.edu (Patin Chris)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Wanted: Pic's of Andrew
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:31:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette


						drmres38@ucs.usl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: heckert@brahms.udel.edu (Keith Heckert)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:56:26 GMT

>> >
>> >
>> >North County Humane Society
>> >185 East Indian Town Rd.
>> >Suite 211
>> >Jupiter, FL  (I don't have the zip code)
>> >
>> 
>
>I called down there last night and was told the zip code was 33477.  Now I am
>concerned that the parcel I sent may be delayed.
>> 		    ^^^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^^
>> 
>> >(407) 747 - 1598


Well, to clear this up...I just called down there! 2:00pm 9/1/92.
The Zip 33477 is for the address above (Suite 211), but the address
for donations IS A DIFFERENT address, which was listed correctly
yesterday.   It is:

North County Humane Society
PO Box 1843  <<<<<<<
Jupiter, FL 33468-1843  <<<<<<<< correct!!!!

Thanks,
Keith



Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: Track data for Andrew (CORRECTION TO WORLD DATA)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: alt.hurricane.andrew
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:15:06 GMT

In article <Btwxyp.Mv1@ecf.toronto.edu> bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John) writes:
>...Note: to make the two data sets compatible, I interchanged columns 4
>and 3 of the hurricane track and then subtracted the numeric part of the
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>E-W coordinate from 180.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This should read "negated the E-W" coordinate!
Sorry. :-(
JB
From: reiling@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu (David Reiling)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Legacy of the 80's - RELIEF
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: reiling@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center

The "legacy of the 80's", immediate gratification has permeated our disaster 
response even. Every day on the news I see the reporters asking questions as 
to when things will get back to normal, as if expecting people to say "oh...by 
the end of next week things should be fine." Having lived through HUGO I can 
say that it takes a *long* time to get things back on track, i.e. electricity, 
municipal services, trees, and just general scars. I realize that we don't 
want to tell these folks who have just been devastated that it will be months 
or years till everything's otay again. But, equally so, we shouldn't give them 
false hope that in a short time they'll have everything back in place. Its 
discouraging to see the news media reacting, you can tell that within about 
10 days they will be totally bored with the situation and move on to another 
"media fix".

DR
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Notes (fwd from Telecom Digest)
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:06:34 GMT

In article <1SEP92.13164457@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) wrote:
>>Though the TV reports are likely to show
>>the places where the houses were of lesser construction and have
>>totally collapsed, she says that many more houses were effectively
>>just as bad because the roof had been ripped off, allowing wind and
>>water to get inside the house.
>
>And the roof had been ripped of because of shoddy construction.  Many roofs
>are just nailed down, or are otherwise not securely attached to the house.
>This is definitely against code.
>
True.  The Miami Herald brought some civil engineers through some of 
the damaged areas and they outlined a large number of questionable
practices and sloppy/shoddy construction.

However - the South Florida building code is intended to lead to
construction that will withstand 120 MPH winds, not the 140+ (with
gusts to 165+, maybe 180+) that were experienced in most of the
disaster area.  While much of what was destroyed wasn't to code,
it still might not have survived even if it had been.

In general, it appears that the older homes fared better than the
newer homes (this may or may not be meaningful, since older and
newer homes are rarely found in the same locations, and there are
more of the newer homes).  My parent's home is in Kendall (the
Palmetto area) and it was virtually undamaged.  This was partially
the luck of the draw, but perhaps also due to the fact that it is
an older home (built in 1955, still with the original (tar and
gravel) roof).  Neighbors with homes of the same vintage but with
newer roofs suffered roof damage.  One theory is that homes of that
era (1950's and early 1960's) were built during a period of almost
yearly hurricanes, and that the contractors and inspectors both did
a better job.  Another theory is that to meet code, homes of that
era were over-engineered (CBS in _interior_ walls, roof trusses
build on-site using 4-by-4's, etc.), while for newer homes
contractors (able to take advantage of modeling (computer and/or
wind-tunnel) and pre-fab roof trusses) built the minimal level that
would meet code.  I assume that the "powers-that-be" will study
what happened and try to improve things for next time.


-- 
Ted Goldblatt    ted@telematics.com     (305) 351-4367
    Telematics Intl., Inc.   Ft. Lauderdale, FL
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: RE: Preventing hurricanes
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:45:14 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger) wrote:
>Is there any information, which ecological systems probably depend on hurricans,
>and how? 

The Everglades depends on both fire in winter and hurricanes in summer to
replenish the plants and the water.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:

>North County Humane Society
>185 East Indian Town Rd.
>Suite 211
>Jupiter, FL  (I don't have the zip code)
>
>(407) 747 - 1598

I spoke with Liz Roehrich today at the North County Humane Society, they
would prefer that mail be sent to their P.O. box, the address is:

North County Humane Society
P.O. Box 1843
Jupiter, FL  33468-1843

Here's an updated list of what's desperately needed - 

*MONEY*
Food
cages (all sizes)
leashes, harnesses, collars (or even ropes!)
bowls
water bottles
medical supplies - especially bandages
towels and blankets
flea products
kitten and puppy formula
hairball remedies
litter pans
litter
toys

....New or used, send it down!!! 

The humane society is also supplying items to vets who are caring for hurricane
victims free of charge, and people who are desperately trying to keep their
pets. The people desperately need cages, leashes, etc. to keep their pets
under control, remember they no longer have the luxury of homes and fences.

They will also distribute non-food human care items, so throw them in the
box, too.  (especially baby & child care products!)

The humane society said that right now most horses and livestock are being
sent to Burt Reynolds' ranch and Fred Ranson (I guess he runs a ranch, too).
If someone in Florida could find out their addresses for me, I would really
appreciate it.  I'm sure they need supplies, too.

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: dlw@engr.ucf.edu (Chip Wuerz)
Subject: Help for South Florida
Summary: Matching funds provided by Barnett
Keywords: Help, Andrew, South Fla.
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:31:16 GMT

To help south Flordia, Barnett Bank is providing matching
funds for any donations ear marked "Disaster Relief Fund".

You can help by sending a check to any Barnett Bank.  To
find the nearest one or for more information call.

Barnett Bank 1-800-562-5725

Chip Wuerz
University of Central Florida
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: RE: Hurricane Andrew Notes (fwd from Telecom Digest)
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:16:44 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) wrote:
>Though the TV reports are likely to show
>the places where the houses were of lesser construction and have
>totally collapsed, she says that many more houses were effectively
>just as bad because the roof had been ripped off, allowing wind and
>water to get inside the house.

And the roof had been ripped of because of shoddy construction.  Many roofs
are just nailed down, or are otherwise not securely attached to the house.
This is definitely against code.

>As they were driving down Wednesday, and again heading up on Saturday,
>they saw convoys of ambulances, fire equipment, and semi tractors -- a
>dozen or so at a time -- barrelling down the highway behind a State
>Trooper using lights and sirens.  Unfortunately, though, the aid does
>not seem to be disbursed very well.  People have no way of finding out
>where it is being distributed, and if they did, most cars are
>inoperative or don't have gas.  They only aid they saw was private
>citizens who had loaded up their cars and were cruising through
>neighborhoods offering it to people.

Things have improved quite a bit in the last few days.  Most people have
been reached.  Some power and phone have been restored in the worst areas,
but there is much more work to be done.

>[Moderator's Note: This will go down in history as one of the worst
>natural tragedies ever to strike the USA. 

The worst in terms of damage.  Very small in terms of deaths, fortunately.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: an address
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:45:41 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Someone I know lives around Kendall at the following address:
9445 SW 90th St.
zip 33167

Anybody know how that area fared?

b.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:13:46 GMT

sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko) writes:

>a single virus? To prevent forest from burning when it is a single match?

Sure, but probably you know that many ecological systems need the fire.
The Red Woods, and the Seequojas (probably not correctly spelled), depend
heavily on fire, otherwise, they will not seed. Even the Everglades depend
on fire. You could look for this information in some booklets from the
National Park Service.

Is there any information, which ecological systems probably depend on hurricans,
and how? 

Sincerely,
Klaus

--
Klaus Steinberger               Beschleunigerlabor der TU und LMU Muenchen
Phone: (+49 89)3209 4287        Hochschulgelaende
FAX:   (+49 89)3209 4280        D-8046 Garching, Germany
Internet: Klaus.Steinberger@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:04:07 GMT
Organization: Connemara - Computing for People
Distribution: na
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89)
Status: OR

In article <1992Sep1.064927.6739@cs.umb.edu> sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko) writes:
>
>   - How much energy is there in the hurricane on THE EARLIEST STAGE of its
>     formation when we can notice it?
>...
>  There is no minimal limit to the cost/effect ratios of processes we
>may want to control. How difficult is it to stop a pandemia when it is
>a single virus? To prevent forest from burning when it is a single match?

It may not be impossible to prevent hurricanes (or, more likely, to
prevent huge damage to humans and human infrastructure), but:

How can you tell which tiny swirling mass of air will become a hurricane?
How can you tell which single virus will become a pandemic?
How can you tell which single match will become a forest fire?

Hindsight is usually 20/20.

--
Denis  McKeon                            Good.   Fast.   Cheap.
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu                       Pick two.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: In-Hurricane analysis
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:02:56 GMT


Can someone elaborate on the research methods used by scientists
where the actually go into the eyes of active hurricanes with
helicoptors and airplanes and all thier related data acquisition
equipment on board.

Richard Earl Jr.
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:03:28 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <Btwsz1.67K@encore.com> jpenovic@encore.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu>, hartman@dewey.udel.edu
>(Nancy Hartman) writes:

>> task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the 
>> violence down there.
>
>  I don't know where you got this information, but I live in
>  South Florida and I've been reading the local papers every day since 
>  the storm and all the local tv stations are broadcasting only 
>  hurricane info, and there has been no mention of humane society 
>  workers being shot.  There is also almost no violence going on down

I heard that two humane society workers had been shot from someone in
close contact (who is very trustworty) with the humane society in Jupiter.
I also spoke with the humane society in Jupiter, and they expressed 
much concern for their safety going down.

As to the to the humane society workers, I'll try to verify that.  Maybe
she really said "were shot at" and I mis-heard.  You are probably right that
it would have made the news.

BTW, I am extremely glad that it's not as bad down there as I had heard
it was!

- Nancy


-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Thomas L. Burleigh)
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:59:42 GMT


In article <1992Sep1.192220.16730@sequent.com>
   schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:

... (stuff deleted) .....

>We thought it
>interesting that there were no reports of looting in Louisiana.  And
>couldn't figure out why in one place but not in another.

 Found it rather interesting too.  Our governor, Edwin Edwards (D),
attributes this to our heritage, strong sense of community, and strong
Christian background here in these parts.  He may be on to something,
but.......

 Here in Louisiana, we didn't have a metropolis the size of Miami bite the
dust.  Also, I noticed that our National Guard was *immediately* mobilized
to keep the peace in the affected areas (towns much smaller than Miami!).
Don't what role the Florida Nat. Guard played in the immediate aftermath
over there. Maybe someone over there could clue us in. Also, the LA-ARNG is
(was) one of the Desert Storm NGs. We had a whole brigade of infantry
training up for it. (Of which, I was a member.)  The experience probably
led them to mobilize more effectively. (Can't say for sure, got out just 3
months ago. :)

 Personally, I find that most people here think of such things as looting
and mass violence as pure bullsh*t.  Much better off being laid-back and
just doing what you gotta do.. :)

 [Insert standard apologies for hurt feelings here.]


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