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From: streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: FINALS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:12:45 GMT

Oh boy, a second opportunity to post my views.

First, I thought the program in general was very well done.  Especially
liked the recap of each televised corps history by use of old film
footage.  Also, the captioning of each arrangement as it was played - wish
they would do that at the comps whenever an electronic scoreboard is 
available.  (They didn't at DATR).

CAVIES - Agree totally!  After that performance, I couldn't see how Star
had been ahead of them.  The 'dead-air' gap toward the end of the performance
was unbelievable - and the colorguard was almost perfect.

CADETS - The 'airplane' is the only thing I can remember - so in other words -
kinda a non-descript performance for me.

START - I didn't particularly care for this performance.  They may have]
technically been good, but the theme was a worn one.  And, I really dislike
those large murals - in any corp.  Yuck.

BD - Can't believe they beat Madison!  I really don't like this corp this
year, as I've posted earlier.  And the sleaze got worse - open shirts on the
entire corp - P.U.!  (AND THEY TOOK AUX. TOO BOOT!)

MADISON - They were robbed!  Thought they looked, marched and performed
better than Star and BD - had them at 3rd in my book.  Their marching is
what sold me - I guess the judges didn't like last year's music.

PHANTOM - Love the drum majors uniform - miss the black w/red caps.  They
too did nothing for me - their placing is probably correct.

It's too bad we couldn't actually see the 6th place Crossmen, but their
1 minute recap looked great (same drums as Blue Knights?)

Santa Clara's recap highlighted the bottle dance - 20? colorguard in all
black with bare feet.  It lost something (VK mock looked better).  Really
thought SCV would pull something out of the bag, but the changes probably
were more detracting than enhancing, too bad.

Not too much chatter from the MC's, and the camera work was great.  They
seemed to finally show the right angles at the right time.  Volume was a 
little off - at one point one corp (can't remember) had their pit right
in front of a mike (or vice verse) but all you could really hear was this
cymbal.

Sorry everyone couldn't view it at the same time - lucky for us our PBS
station has a drum corp nut on their staff.  Now we've got to start bugging
them for the re-broadcast.
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Finals.....
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:19:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.

OK, for the few of us who didn't get to:

1) Go to finals
2) See finals (due to crappy PBS coverage in Washington DC)

please offer insights (although I'm sure a few people will be 
quite verbose about the show anyway.)

What my big question is did both the Cavied and Garfield really
perform their shows much better in finals to warrant a 1.8/1.7 point
increase from Quarter Finals?  As a compairson, could someone
post top-twelve (or more) scores from Quarters, Semis and Finals
so I could see the changes (I have Quarters and Finals, not Semi's)

Thanks....


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: DCI Politics SUCKS!
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:10:01 GMT

In article <Aug.18.15.37.55.1992.4736@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
>
>
>>> I like the Cavaliers and the Blue Devils, 
>>> but there is no way that Cavaliers beat them. SORRY! 
>>Cavies were MUCH better than the Blue Devils...Cavies had the better
>>drumline, FAR superior drill, equal hornline, and in my opinion a much
>>better guard.
>
>   EQUAL hornline???   Not on their BEST DAY!  Not in their BEST YEAR!!
>Tom,  take two aspirin and call me in the morning.  Your still high from
>the Cadets finish.
>

I hate to keep disagreeing with you, Ken, but the Cadets did in fact
have an equally good horn line on Finals night.  As I mentioned elsewhere,
the Blue Devils (horns) were off both in Semis and Finals.  The Cadets
did some pretty amazing things on Semis and Finals nights.

Over the entire course of the season, BD probably had the better line,
but that's pure speculation.  I was very impressed with BD in the early
season and thought that they would be very difficult to beat horn-wise.

-- Donald
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Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
From: eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:21:38 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <HALL.92Aug18165544@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu>, hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall) writes:
> There's more to picking a place for finals than
>   1) weather
>   2) size of the seats
>   3) size of the town
>   4) sunspot activity and/or phase of the moon

[...]

> 
> I think the rotating finals schedule is a fair idea - it is a much better
> compromise than picking one city and keeping it.
> 

I completely agree.  The concept of the rotating finals is the best possible
solution to the tour problem.  However, DCI seems to (from my perspective)
have given prospective cities a list of demands as to what they felt it would
take to get the championships.  In doing this, I also feel that DCI has defined
seats in one stadium to be equivalent to seats in another stadium for
accounting purposes; the only exception to this rule seems to be stadiums
west of KC (not including KC) where an infinite number of seats still wouldn't
bring a championship.  I understand how DCI must look to the ability to create
competitions in route to the championships, and I understand how it can be
hard for corps in the northeast to travel to LA for the championships.  My
complaint about site selection is not to make KC the one and only championship
site, but to make it a permanent site in the rotation.  So far, DCI has
selected two in the South (Jackson & Jacksonville) and one in the northern
midwest (Lansing, Mich).  Considering that the geographical and population
centroids are closer to KC than any of the selected sites, that argument fails.
Next, KC has hosted the champs twice (once unexpectedly) and tours were able
to be scheduled to fit into a path to KC.  Also, KC has an NFL stadium; I
realize that there are probably many excellent college stadiums, but in general
an NFL stadium will be better than a college stadium.

> Just my opinion,

And a good one it is.


Eric L. Putnam
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: New Age Music on the Net
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:09:55 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article 1322, Don Chinn wrote that he didn't know much about New Age
Music and then commented that he didn't know who on the net did.
I don't know exactly who, but I know where to find them!  THE
There is a radio program called "Music from the Hearts of Space" which is
broadcast on NPR.  It plays New Age music.  One of the places where you can
get the playlist is on the Music conference on the Well (Whole Earth
'Lectronic Linkup) a BBS run out of Sausilito, CA.  You can reach costumer
support at Support@well.sf.ca.us to see about hooking up.  You can even
telnet to it (192.132.30.2)!  However, subscription is $15/month and $2/hr
with the first 5hr free.  Since I already have email access for free, I don't
want to pay for it now.
 
For what it's worth, the programmers may be subscribers to the WELL.
Perhaps we can all send email to them requesting that they play Crossmen's
and Glassmen's repetoire :-)!
 
Vince
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Final Scores - Madison, Wisconsin Aug 15, 1992
Summary: Crossmen's previous "best" placement; Buy a 1992 DCI program!
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:47:22 GMT

In article <15203473@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>The Crossmen must be very happy--best finish ever!  The closest
>they came to this was in 1978, when they came in 6th in prelims
>and fell to 9th in finals.

The closest was in 1982. Crossmen were 7th in 1982 right behind the
27th Lancers.

How do I know this? Funny you should ask! The 1992 Championship program has a
1-page description from each DCI championship. Lots of pictures, and scores
for the Top 12. For $10, this was a great souvenir program.

I don't know if DCI has extras, but I highly recommend this program to anyone
who'd like to see some snapshots from the past of DCI.

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Reviews of performances (?)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:25:33 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

>Also notable absentees off the top of my head:
>
>     Michael Fath
>     Bob Berry
>     Mike Hughes
>     Cathy Doser
>     Doug Rank
>     Patrick Sloan(e)?  (Is this correct, I feel like Quayle)
>>>>> Brad Halls
>     Derek Cook
>     Chris Holt
>     Scott Gordon Vahl
>     
>
>All of vacation? 

Nope. Still here. Just haven't had muck time to write until now...
I think all of the flaming is a little disheartening, too. (Even
though I am certainly guilty also). I guess that I haven't felt
a big urge to write as I basically agreed with how everything went.
Sure, Vanguard had a dissapointing finish, but look at the quality
of the corps that beat them. This was the best year for drum corps
(particularly the top 8) that I can remember. Star won horns (which
they should have), Cavies won drums (which they should have), and
the placements came down pretty much as I would have called them.
So flame away. I thought it was a great year. I'll write with my
more *controversial* thoughts about the individual shows when I
get a little more time.

--Brad.










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Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:46:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Aug17.144058.8983@midway.uchicago.edu>, xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.210140.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>>
>>Then, I went to Madison.  I thought, "I'm not going to Jackson next year.  The
>>stadiums don't get better, they get worse!!"  The seats were benches, benches
>>made of wood.  The seats were approximately 12 inches wide (maybe 18, but that
>>would be pushing it).  I have no idea how they can fit a bunch of bundled up
>>(it was indeed cold in August, much less in November and December) football
>>fans (which are known for their eating and drinking) into this stadium.  How
>>many John Maddens do you know that would fit into an 18 inch wide seat?  Drum
>>corps fans that pay $25 (a ridiculous price, anyway) should at least be
>>comfortable while viewing their favorite corps.  I didn't mind the weather,
>>cold is better than hot (you can always take a blanket with you to keep warm,
>>except in Madison where you have to buy an extra seat for it to fit).  And that 
>>sound off the back side.  The most annoying and irritating sound!!  The stadium
>>held sound even worse than the Cotton Bowl.  The metal benches created a "zip"
>>sound on any drum hit.  THE WORST YET!!!
>>
>>Kansas City: The stadium has seats!!  With armrests, so you're not wiping
>>somebody else's sweat off your body.
>>
>>
> I just want to make a comment, THIS IS NOT A FLAME, JUST MY HUMBLE
> OPINOIN, Madison is the best place for DCI.  Only because the
> people in Madison LOVE the drum corps.  No matter how big or
> small.  I marched in Madison in '86 and '87.  When we did the
> parade you could barely hear yourself play because the people
> just cheer for everyone.  My corps had only about 60 members and
> the people of Madison cheered for us as loud as they cheered for SCV. 
> I would not have wanted to march finals any other place.
> I agree that the stadium, for the spectators, isn't very good but
> for this former drum corps member, it was the best.
> 
> Krista


Well, Krista, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't go to the world
championships to see the locals.  I'm not flaming, but let's look at it.  As
much as I hated the general attitude of people in New York, if they had the
championships in Giants Stadium, I would go.  I did like the great hospitality
of Madison, it was refreshing to see an entire city so happy to see DCI.  But I 
don't go to see the locals, I go to see the corps.  The fans are the ones that
are important.  They are the ones that support the activity.  The marching
members are important to, but they don't pay to keep DCI alive and they get
applause no matter where they are (except Star).

Well, let's keep the stadium and city stuff going.

IRC nick-BlueDevil (my IRC nickname is BlueDevil, my real name is NOT Nick)
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: I LOVE Star!! (was Re: The Star of Indiana)
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:42:16 GMT
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: Star
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug18.211855.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>Never said you were a Cavies fan, just a low life Star hater.  I dislike the

No need to call people names.  I am not a low life just
because I have an opinion.

>Nick, did you march BD?  Just curious.

>My name isn't Nick.  My name is Chris.  No, I haven't marched BD.  Just love
>them more than anyone else.  Who'd you march with?

I love BD too.  Do you know anyone that has ever marched in BD?
I marched with The Guardsmen.
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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Madison Review, Part I
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.023410.10095@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
> 
> + I don't like to start rumors or create animosity amongst corps, but
> I was looking over near the Blue Devils and the Cadets as the
> Bluecoats and VK were marching off.  The Cadets were standing totally
> motionless in a "snapshot"-like pose (as opposed to being at
> attention), and I thought I saw some Blue Devils members taunting them
> and actually throwing things such as mallets at them [DISCLAIMER: I
> was on the 30 yard line on the LEFT side of the stands].  Did anyone
> else see such activities?
> 
> If what I saw was what I thought I saw, then my respect for BD has
> gone down tremendously (for obvious reasons).  I am holding judgment
> until I get independent confirmation.

Donald - I was standing right in front of the Cadets talking to a few
alumni while this was going on.....yes, BD was being extremely rude to
the Cadets (for some reason or another) altho I did not see any
mallet sticks fly at the Cadets.  The strange thing is that this type
of behavior from BD did not surprise me....I was surprised that they were
saying things loud enough that even I heard them standing on the sideline.
Comments like "so now you know how it feels to come in second" to "who
did you guys pay off this year to beat us" and other totally tacky 
comments that I cannot recall.  In general, they were heckling the Cadets
for standing motionless while they were moving around.
Cadets, by the way, were standing at parade rest the entire time.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Reviews of performances (?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:49:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:


>I'd be interested in seeing some semi-detailed opinions about
>the performances (I've already expressed my impressions); "Madison
>should have won," "SCV got ripped," "the Crossmen were hot," "Star
>should have won," etc. just aren't informative enough.  Where is
>George Drapeau when you need him ...

>Are people afraid of being flamed after the asbestos party that
>has been going on here recently?

  I was wondering the same thing Donald?

Maybe some people like George D. and Chris A. were not able to
see the show as it was not broadcast where they are?

Also notable absentees off the top of my head:

     Michael Fath
     Bob Berry
     Mike Hughes
     Cathy Doser
     Doug Rank
     Patrick Sloan(e)?  (Is this correct, I feel like Quayle)
     Brad Halls
     Derek Cook
     Chris Holt
     Scott Gordon Vahl
     

All of vacation?
From: JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: 1992 Repertoires?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:54:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I just found this group, so sorry to request old news.
What are the top 20 corps playing this year?


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (scott radeker)
Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:17:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.130855.1@vax1.umkc.edu> eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>> - the seats WERE too small, as Nick wrote
>                                 ^^^^ my brother's name is Chris!!!
>
Sorry, he's Nick from now on.

>
>> + the weather was PERFECT marching weather (but cold in the upper deck)
>
>I concur, but this isn't a necessary trait of the site.  I believe that in
>1985 the place was supposed to be quite warm.  Just like KC, the weather is
>a wide swinging variable.  Sat. in KC the high was 75 (just like Mad), but
>all DCI people remember was the '88 champs which were very hot even by KC
>measurements (but I doubt by Jackson* standards).
>

This WHOLE weather thing is a non-issue.  Perhaps you don't get the weather
channel in KC, or maybe the local paper in KC doesn't write about global
weather trends, but last years volcano eruption in the Philipines has
lowered temperatures across the northern hemishpere.  To give you an example:
the temperature at night in Atlanta over the last weekend was in the 60's
daytime highs were in the low 80's.  Gee whiz, what more do you expect.

>
>For those of you who haven't realized it yet, I did not like Madison.  The

However 40,000 other people did.

>I pray that DCI rethinks its position on not using KC as a permanent site.  It

unfortunately they didn't ask you.  Of course they didn't ask me, or
I'd have had the 1996 summer music games in Atlanta, in the New
Olympic Stadium.  Oh well.

>seems to me that the selection committee considers a seat in KC stadium to be
>equal to a seat in stadium X.  They are not perfect substitutes!!!  I don't

perhaps you missed the discussion on WHY cities were selected.  If you 
are really serious about getting KC to host future champs, bget you local
govt./chamber of commerce to cough up some cash.  Remember, fans aren't the
ONLY ones financing this deal.


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From: eah0065@zeus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Where have the great Shows gone??
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:57:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was fortunate to catch the finals on T.V. and was somewhat dissappointed
in the overall qulaity of the shows. I remember a time when Phantom combined
a wonderful classical performance with a terrific colorguard presentation,
when the Blue Devils would rip with jazz that combined an array of color and
flash, and when the cadets and SCV would use their traditional histories to ove
rcome the audience with classic drills. (Although the "Bottle Dance" was great)

I was use to seeing the top corps in a competition just totally overwhelm
all competitors with general effect. The top corps are so diversified that
their presentation and crispness just had to make you appreciate whatever
they presented. To me most in the top six were a little flat, and it seemed 
strange that a corps would win nationals without taking horns. 

The Cavies put on a great show and they deserved to win, but their competition
seemed a little down when it came to general effect and horns.

Come on people let's talk it up!!!
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Scores from Drum Corps North (Aug. 9th, Canton Township, MI)
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:11:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:

>Blue Devils:
>Here, I agree with Vince. First 2/3 of the show: an 11. Closer:
>TACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKYTACKY!!!!!
>The Blue Devils I remember made you feel the music by playing the
>music well, not by using all of these moronic gimmics. I thought we
>could at least depend on BD and Phantom for traditional drum corps shows.
>I guess not any more!!! What is this, anyway, show design by chance?
>Man, if BD's win with this shit, I really have to worry about the
>future of the activity. Well performed show, great horns and drums,
>but I really feel like they let me down.

  I don't understand something.  When I read last winter that BD's
guard was going co-ed, and in spring that they were playing "When a
man loves a woman" I knew right then and there that they would take
the opportunity to pair up in couples and not exactly for doing the
waltz.  Last year the Cadets guard put on overalls and dresses and
held a picnic front and center and as they paired up, the girls laid
flat on their backs and the guys lay directly on top of them ala 
missionary position.  They did it all year and took it out for finals
and they won best guard.   How about Phantom's guard opening their legs
for the hornline.  Did people really expect BD's guard to maybe have
a silk with a picture of a man and a woman embracing on it to get the
message across?   It's only one song and I feel people should relax
a little bit.

   As for the future of the activity, let's be more concerned with the
pure shit that the Velvet Knights put out EVERY year like the bull 
pissing on the matador, horn players running around in boxer shorts,
fat ladies, girls popping out in bikinis, Bart Simpson buses, Pee Wee
Herman in a boiling kettle, blowing bubbles, inflatable rafts/animals,
swinging golf clubs, a statue with male genitalia on it and last but
not least those two prick drum majors on lounge chairs.   Anyone of
these "attributes" takes away alot more from the activity than what the
Blue Devils are doing in this years closer.
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