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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Who are these two soap opera actresses?
Keywords: soap opera actress
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:45:02 GMT

Anybody know the name of the actress on _All My Children_ who plays the
Chinese girl?  How about the name of the actress on _One Life To Live_
who I'm pretty sure is half-Asian?

I'm very curious to know.  I don't watch either show (no chuckles now, I'm
telling the truth :-) ), but I have seen the _OLTL_ actress several times
on commercials for the show during the ABC late news, and I've heard from
a couple of people about the _AMC_ actress, whom I've never seen.

If you have either or both of their names, please let me know.  Has either
of them ever appeared on any other TV show or movie (or commercial)?

Thanks,

Jim
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:37:51 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Jul28.152524.2080@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
Fester) writes:
|>From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
[Stuff Deleted]

|>Note: the question came as a bit of a surprise to me when I first was
asked. I
|>had been out of the country for a couple years and hadn't heard about
the law.
|>I just don't see that it's really THAT big a deal. Well, actually, I do. I
|>have NO objection to any qualified foreigner getting a job here in the US.
|>While some jobs require security clearances, and can thus be reasonably with
|>held from foreigners, for the most part, my opinion is that anyone
willing and
|>able to find work here in the US, at fair market salary, should be able to do
|>so.
|>
|>Mike
|>

I disagree with you about the discriminatory questioning of AA and whites
of their citizenship, as we discussed in email.

However, I strongly disagree with your last statement, you should definitely 
clarify this. IMO the INS is too lenient on companies justifying sponsorship 
for technically qualified foreigners. I would purport that this is one of
the reasons that many americans do not study many of the technical fields.
The US has decided to import engineers and scientists for the benefit of
the US as a whole and at the expense of american engineers and scientists.
One of the reasons that many people do not study eng & sci is that the wages
do not reflect the costs (hard work & monetary) of studying these disciplines.

Let me emphatically say now, before I get flamed for this, that I am a strong
believer in immigration, and even increasing the quotas. However, these should
be done in an even handed manner, across all disciplines.

Ron
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Perfect Families
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:06:48 GMT

In article 4572@dove.nist.gov, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>With the discussions about degree envy, one thing kept coming to mind.
>Every Asian-Indian family that I meet likes to put on a front that 
>their family is perfect and that everyone in it is doing exceptionally
>well. Its like they'll never admit any faults to you, which is quite
>the opposite of what most white people I've met do. This is one of 
>the reasons that I have trouble sustaining friendships with Indians.
>They never let their guard down, and you always feel like you're in
>competition with one another.
>
>Do other asian cultures have similar problems?
>
>Ron
>


I think that this is a cultural trait that is fairly common amongst people in the 
eastern hemisphere.  I don't really think of it as a problem though, it is just the
way people handle themselves.  What is going on with the family is no one's 
business but the family's, so don't tell non-family members anything.  In the 20th 
century, western civilization frame of reference, this is a problem because you 
are not being honest and open with your friends and yourself etc.  But in the asian frame of reference, this is not a problem, because airing one's dirty laundry is 
almost as inappropriate as showing your emotions in public.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Keywords: knock
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:19:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.053047.272@mumbo.apple.com> tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>|>Work with whomever you want to         -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>|>Make friends with whomever you want to -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>|>Have lovers with whomever you want to  -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>|>But marry                              -- Asian,         , African, Aboriginal
>|
>|
>
>Nope.  In fact, I was just in a rather protracted discussion against
>racial preference in people's selection of a mate.  Against preference 
>for mates of *any* race, mind you.
>
>Nope.  All those different forms are discriminatiory and racist.  In 
>fact, whenever the discussion allows it, I try to make my complaints 
>of racism general.
>

How about this?

>|>Work with whomever you want to         -- male, female
>|>Make friends with whomever you want to -- male, female
>|>Have lovers with whomever you want to  -- male, female
>|>But marry                              -- male, female

Gary, is it sexist to prefer mates of a specific sex?
I'll bet 99% of this group doesn't have the above personal "chart".
From all the discussions here I think everyone is sexist
since they prefer mates of a certain sex.  Seems kind of
discriminatory and sexist to me.  And so unfair to limit
yourself to only 50% of the population.  Definitely not
equal opportunity.
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Sexism and sexual prefernces (was Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa)
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:35:38 GMT
	<1992Jul24.053047.272@mumbo.apple.com>
	<1992Jul24.141934.8674@nynexst.com>
	<1992Jul24.200207.3964@mumbo.apple.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   > tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
   [Is it sexist to prefer mates of a specific sex?]

   Depends.  The question is whether a gender-specific organ is required
   for the various posts you mentioned.  For the overwhelming majority of
   professions and friendships, the answer is no.  For most lovers and
   mates, the answer is yes.  I don't think there is sexism where there
   are legitimate gender-specific requirements.

But what's a legitimate gender-specific requirement?  Except when one
wants to have children that are genetically related to oneself,
there's no biological need for a "gender-specific organ" (as you put
it).  It's fine to have preferences, but let's be careful not to fall into
the biology-is-destiny-so-gays-are-perverts line of argument.

And this all greatly over-rates the importance of sex in marriage.
Even the most energetic and enthusiastic couple can't explore each
other's gender-specific organ all day, every day, for years.
Eventually the relationship will depend on factors that have nothing
to do with gender, like the parties' mutual affection and respect and
their history together.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.214252.28023@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>Anybody know who "started" it and if anybody else other than Cal kids do it?
>*Why* would anybody do it?  :-)  If anybody knows how to do it (meaning twirl
>a pen/pencil in your hand), give me an e-mail and tell me how long you had to
>"practice."

HAHAHA!!! This is great! Pencil twirling is something that is big everywhere!
I love it! Back when I was in high school, we used to say that being able
to twirl a pencil was a pre-requisite for being on the IMO (International
Mathematics Olympiad) team. I was introduced to it at a high school math 
conference and learned to do it pretty quick.           




-leon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.movies
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:59:43 GMT
Keywords: pencil-twirling

In article <1992Jul29.214252.28023@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
->
->Anybody know who "started" it and if anybody else other than Cal kids do it?
->*Why* would anybody do it?  :-)  If anybody knows how to do it (meaning twirl
->a pen/pencil in your hand), give me an e-mail and tell me how long you had to
->"practice."

i learned pencil-twirling when i visited my brother who is a professor
at berkeley in mechanical engineering - seems like he thought it was
a nifty thing to learn.  so he demoed it to me, i practiced the five hours
on the flight back (see barbara's pencil go whhhheeeeeeeeee! into the aisle!),
and then at work at odd times.

it's a great way to display impatience at a group meeting....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: When Asian income is less than Blacks
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:50:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.194731.3606@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>This can be remedied by banning any further immigration from the Chinese-cu
>upper-class.
What is that going to accomplish? Except to degrade the "quality" of the
immigrants and talent pool entering the U.S.  The last time I checked
the U.S. IS NOT too receptive to lower class/ refugee /un-educated etc
immigrants.  

What you are proposing is nothing but an infantile excercise, just to
masterbate your own ego.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:47:11 GMT

In article <BrroHK.18M@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu) writes:
>
>Let me tell you about life in Canada (or at least Ontario).
>Here we have a government that believes that everyone has a
>right to basic medical care. So, everyone is insured. Call
>it socialized medicine, call it whatever you want. The point
>is, everyone is covered for reasonable medical expenses,
     ^^^^^^^^
>regardless of whether or not they are filthy rich and can
>afford it, or are unfortunate enough that they can't.
>just a little propoganda for your soul.
>
>-leon.
>

EVERYONE?  including foreign students or other non-Canadians?
Just curious.

dan
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:04:55 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.224253.3097@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.190839.14904@sco.com> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
>>...
>>Dwight,
>>
>>Your way of thinking is kinda screwed up.  You are always thinking this way:
>>"If you are only helping X, that means your racist because you're not helping
>>Y or Z".
>
>No, Mr. Ho's thinking is screwed.

Boy, you're more stupid than I envisioned.  Not only did you get my last
name wrong, you like to use examples that back up your claim that are used
in an entirely different context.  I forgive you (no need to thank me).

Gary
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:23:23 GMT

In article <4571@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>However, I strongly disagree with your last statement, you should definitely 
>clarify this. IMO the INS is too lenient on companies justifying sponsorship 
>for technically qualified foreigners. I would purport that this is one of
>the reasons that many americans do not study many of the technical fields.
>The US has decided to import engineers and scientists for the benefit of
Should that have the OPPOSITE effect in the minds of Americans?
ie) IF they need to import help, THERE IS A SHORTAGE? (whether or not this
is true or not is besides the point).

>the US as a whole and at the expense of american engineers and scientists.
>One of the reasons that many people do not study eng & sci is that the wages
>do not reflect the costs (hard work & monetary) of studying these disciplines.
Not really, Doctors, lawyers etc gets TOO much in my opinion.
The wage parity of the kinds of professionals is a lot less pronounced
in places like Japan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:14:15 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul22.172926.23144@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>In article <23276@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon) writes:

>>It ignores the fact that
>>most whites are in exactly the same position as asians,
>>because of economic power issues,
>
>	True. And it needs to be said and repeated.
>
> rather than race issues, and
>>that economic power is becoming the new method of discrimination
>>in this society

Do I hear "model minority, model minority" reverberating the the background?
If you think all Asian Americans are upper-middle class, then you need to
go to Oakland, SF, NY, or wherever you'll see a lot of immigrants with kids
in gangs and sweatshop jobs. I wouldn't completely ally myself with a bunch of
White people when I know there are still lots of racist White people in this
country.

<sarcasm mode on> Hey, my fellow chinks, japs, yellow peril bananas, and
orientals, let's forget this race conflict stuff. Racism against Asian Ameri-
cans doesn't exist! Man, don't we just hate being lactose intolerant, short, 
and hairless? Don't we hate our jaundiced skin color and lack of a double
eyelid? Well, I'm gonna let you in on a secret, my brothers and sisters, I'll
tell you how you can get equality for yourself at the expense of all those 
other Asian Americans. 

MARRY A WHITE PERSON! (tip from shchen) 

Then your kids, if they're lucky, will look just like _real_ Americans, and
you can flaunt your white mate in front of them Asians who are just so 
pathetic that they can't get one. Ha ha, I got mine, how 'bout you?

And if you ever walk down the street, those people won't be callin' you a 
chink or tell you to go back where you came from (where? Georgia?) because
you've got your white savior, your white prize! Ha ha, it's that easy to do
away with anti-Asian prejudice! Yeah, we're White! What are all those Black
people complaining about? Why don't they just follow our suits and get a 
White SO too? The more you pander up and flatter White people with your
lust for them and their looks, the more they'll like you, ya dig? Look at
Michael Jackson! The whiter he got, the more those white women screamed and
yelled for him! Don't you want your piece of the coconut pie too?

Well I could go on, but right now I'm gonna put on my Suzy Wong act and get
me a white man. There is no such thing as Asian American unity, so why bother
getting any respect as a group?

Judy Y. Tseng
judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: wang@elvis.lcs.mit.edu (Paul Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:27:27 GMT
Reply-To: wang@elvis.lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul30.001737.9673@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
|> Since everyone seems to be missing *my* point (points, actually),
|> I probably should have made them in the original post:
|> 
|> [two points deleted.]
|> 
|> But seeing as these points were too subtle for s.c.a.a, what
|> hope would I have with Trudeau?
|> -- 
|> [sig deleted]

I understood your points the first time around.  Too bad you missed
Trudeau's point.  Perhaps he's too "subtle" for you?

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From: khchan@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (chan ka hei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Hi, Test
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:56:38 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong

Hello, This is a test.
Trying to type something more.
Type, Type, Type.
I live in Hong Kong.

Anybody interested in make friend with me can
email to @ieug.ie.cuhk.hk


OK, I think that's enough, hope this message will be
posted properly.
Bye.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Parental Pressure and Interracial Dating
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:20:47 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

It has been said that asian woman / other man relationships
are much more common than asian man / other woman relationships.

Could it be due partly to parental pressure in some families?
I.e. prejudiced parents may be more interested in maintaining the
"purity" of the side that carries the family name than of the side
where the family name is not usually carried?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:04:06 GMT

   achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

   Has anyone else noticed this week's Doonesbury cartoons?
   They're pretty definitive of the "model minority"
   stereotype.  Does anyone feel like drafting a complaint,
   or are we all worn out from the "Abby" stuff?

Those of us who understand satire will watch with amusement as you
draft such a complaint.  While you're at it, why don't you urge your
local newspaper to print smiley-faces :-) all over Doonesbury to help
you out?

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:53:50 GMT

In article 8026@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:

>When I was in Europe, I never had any problems with those border
>officials with my passport (American) despite the fact that I was the
>only Asian-looking person with an Am. passport[...]

But coming back through New York from Europe last summer, I 
handed the customs official my US passport only to be asked, 
"Do you speak English?"  Not what I needed to hear at the end 
of my four years in Oxford....
---
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Keywords: knock
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.012847.19203@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <23JUL199218205901@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>>Epilogue and moral of Judy's story:
>>                                          Heritage of Americans
>>Work with whomever you want to         -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>>Make friends with whomever you want to -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>>Have lovers with whomever you want to  -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
>>But marry                              -- Asian,         , African, Aboriginal

>What I sincerely don't understand is that I'm sure every one of us has come
>across people in our every-day lives who have "missing elements" in their
>own personal "chart," including and especially ourselves, and yet it seems
>the bulk of the criticism I hear here is only for the very first one shown
>above, the one Makoto mentioned.  In particular, few people here want to say

  I don't have any "missing elements".  I hate to brag but I'm just so great!

  I'm married to an (Asian,European,African,Aboriginal) Puerto Rican.
  You can get it all in one person!  Wow-wee!  I feel so-o superior.  Too
  bad he's stuck with someone who is JUST Asian....  I feel so bad for him.
  He definitely  has "missing elements" in his personal "chart".

  Let's see, my husband is Asian, because Native American people came from
  Asia.  He's European because his Taino people have mixed with Spanish people.
  He's African because his people have mixed with Africans.  And he's
  Aboriginal because that is what Native American are defined to be.   :-)

  My son is all of the above also, with a tinge more Asian.  Hee hee hee.

  <sarcasm off>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Role reversal
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.183227.18097@oakhill.sps.mot.com> I wrote:
>I guess it just means JJ almost never agree on what's "fair."
                       ^^^^^^^^^
That should be "JJ and I almost"...

My bad.

Jim
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