From: rsnyder@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Subject: Re: Um, okay, I did it.
Followup-To: news.groups
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	<1992Apr12.044746.15954@CS.ORST.EDU>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:22:20 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Apr 92 04:47:46 GMT, downsj@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) said:

jason> i've waited some time before posting in the latest incarnation of this
jason> *old* thread, hoping to let fanatics like mr snyder time to cool down.
jason> they haven't.

Interesting term, fanatic....  I really don't think it applies, but it
doesn't neccesarily carry a bad connotation...

jason> my opinion: mr. snyder is partially wrong. the current volume of r.g.m.
jason> (when not discussing the newsgroup itself), is ~60 posts a day, maximum.
jason> at least 10 of these would fit into an "announcements" catagory, so i
jason> feel that the *only* new newsgroup we need is r.g.m.announce, moderated.

I don't believe I ever argued the volume was a reason for a split.
rec.games.mud is only a moderate volume newsgroup.  The reason I tend
to give is signal-to-noise ratio, and the current "talking over each
other" that seems to exist on rec.games.mud. 

jason> yes, lp has it's own group. i even voted for it, as there was enough
jason> traffic to warrant it's creation... but NOT enough for a r.g.m.diku
jason> group... a few, petty, immature, diku players simply think that it's
jason> unfair for lp to have it's own group while they do not. i tell
jason> ya, kiddies, life isn't always fair. if you really, really want your
jason> own group, go create alt.mud.diku and see how that goes, THEN we can
jason> discuss r.g.m.diku, ok children?

Again, the reason I am citing isn't volume.

jason> as for the laughable suggestion of r.g.m.tiny... man, you are just about
jason> as clueless as they get. the term `tiny' encompasses A LOT when your
jason> referr to muds. just leave the `tiny' posts to r.g.m.

I try not to think of myself as clueless....  I'm quite aware how much
ground Tiny* covers.  I'm a player on a variety of different Tiny*,
and a wizard on a MUSH.  Generally, Tiny is someone compatable with
each other (certainly moreso than the "adventure" muds, which is why I
oppose grouping them in that manner).  If there are enough followers
of a more "radical" Tiny that wouldn't be compatable, than they could
petition for their own group as well... 

jason> this is annoying. the discussion is ABOUT r.g.m., so FUCKING leave it
jason> in r.g.m.! it doesn't hurt you to actually CROSS POST between r.g.m.
jason> and news.groups, does it? or, i forget, you DO KNOW how to cross post,
jason> don't you?

Yes, I do know how to cross post.  I choose not to, since it only
agrivates the already poor signal-to-noise ratio rec.games.mud is
known for.  The appropriate place to discuss new newsgroup creation is
news.groups.  If you read rec.games.mud, if you don't know by now that
new groups are be proposed, you must have a very interesting kill
file.

I am certainly not trying to ram this down the throat of
rec.games.mud.  My inital post asked if other feel the same way I did.
And there was quite a good respose.  You are one of the few naysayers
I have heard so far.  A Request for Discussion has been submitted.  If
a clear consensus appears during the discussion saying the group names
should be different, or that some or all of the groups are bad ideas,
I'll drop them.  I would just prefer to try to improve the group,
rather than use it as a source for flamebait.

[oh, and followups are redirected to news.groups.]

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