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From: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: washing Rollerblade liners?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:54:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct1.195425.3241
Reply-To: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

Has anyone succeeded in safely washing the felty liners of
their Rollerblades? Did you use Woolite or a washing
machine?

I'd like to un-grodize my boot liners, knee pads,
and conan gloves.

skk
Newsgroups: rec.skate,news.answers
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscnvx.1992Oct1.210228.1555
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

<1992Oct1.143012.2055@mksol.dseg.ti.com> writes:

> Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan are very famous in the ice skating community. 
> Anyone as good at what they do as those two will make it look easy. They probably
> were not trying too much considering this was not a competition but an exhibition.
> They normally do not skate pairs together; therfore, they probably did not want 
> to take a chance getting hurt by doing lifts (lifts is what makes pairs skating 
> difficult).

Lifts?  Are you kidding.  Nancy is about 1 1/2 times bigger than Paul.  She'd 
be more likely to lift him.

I saw Paul Wylie perform in the Olympic champion tour several months ago.  He
was definetly one of the best perfomers in the show.  After seeing how great
he really is in that exhibition, I wonder why he never did better than second
or third in an Olympics (he's been around awhile: I think he's almost 30).  I
thought his performance was better than Victor Petrenko (sp?), but, alas, he
doesn't do triple axels.  Kristy Yamaguchi was also in the tour and I thought
that she was one of the worst of the performers, relatively speaking.  I think
she's a fine skater, but compared the the older, more mature skaters she was
blown away.  

Warning: Personal Opinion Coming Up! :

Reflecting on the above mentioned tour, I think there should be a lot
less emphasis in the amateur world on jumping and more on style.  I think
it's ridiculous that someone is expected to do 5 or 6 triples in a program
and only expected to land 3 or 4 of them in order to do well.  I'd rather
see a program with where the skater lands everything and can concentrate 
more on style and personal expression (ala Wylie).  I think if that happened
you would see the average age of the top amateur skaters go up, because
it would take more maturity.

Kevin Anderson
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Keywords: Ice
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:00:37 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.143012.2055@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, atkins@mksol.dseg.ti.com (William A Atkins) writes:
|> From: atkins@mksol.dseg.ti.com (William A Atkins)
|> Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
|> Date: 1 Oct 92 14:30:12 GMT
|> 
|> >There were a couple of other club members who did a very nice Pairs
|> >program, they jump incredibly well, but she seems a bit large for her partner,
|> >and they didn't do any lifts.  (their throw double Axel was ok, though)
|> >Their names were Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan, I think.  He seems to have just
|> >graduated (cum laude) from Harvard, and she is from Stoneham MA.  (He's
|> >originally from Denver, they said.)  Oh yes, they each did a solo thing
|> >earlier, and they did some good stuff, but didn't seem to be trying very hard
|> >(I mean they jumped and spun and all that, lots, but it looked so easy when
|> >they did it that they couldn't have been trying much.)
|> 
|> Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan are very famous in the ice skating community. 
|> Anyone as good at what they do as those two will make it look easy. They probably

Sorry if I was overly ironic, I was just hoping for a few smiles
by playing dumb about Paul and Nancy (She got the Bronze BTW).
The pairs program was the same as the one they did during the
exhibition program in Albertville.  Since they both trained at this
rink under the same coach, it seems natural that they developed
an exhibition together.

One of the other skaters I mentioned (Amy D'Entremont) was from Stoneham,
as is Nancy; must be something in the water  :->

In response to anothe couple of messages I received directly, I don't
know what their current stati (plural of status??) is, I have been told
that Paul is in Law school

First year:	The scare you to death
Second Year:	They work you to death
Third Year:	They bore you to death

:->

When/where are the nationals this year??

-- 
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

	...Wex
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel question
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:50:17 GMT
Organization: MDSSC-Space Station
Followup-To: rec.skate

In article <13638@pogo.wv.tek.com>, lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman)
wrote:
> 
> 

> I just got some California Pros for a present about 6 weeks ago.  I seem
> to go through wheels awfully fast.  I'm now on my third set.  Is this 
> normal?  

I just got a pair of Ultra-wheels a few weeks ago....  I grew up on both
roller and ice skates so I don't see myself as a beginning skater......
My wheels are also wearing way too fast... This is why I've been looking on
this board to see if people rotate them from one side to the other and to
see if I was ripped off...  I don't think I was ripped off by the way....
The Ultrawheel Gretzkys go for $129.... and have all buckles..fit well and
are extremely light weight.

I've been avoiding the use of the so-called brake and used the side
friction to stop as I do on ice....if this wears the wheels then both sides
would be wearing not just the inside..... Inside wear indicates that the
wear comes from the normal push off the edge one does when accelerating....
From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Formula for street-poles??
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ford@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew P Ford) writes:
> Anyone got any suggestions for making up poles to use while slaloming down
> the street??  What kind of poles?  What to use on the ends? etc?  Any info.
> or comments would be appriciated.
> 
Just use regular ski poles, but somewhat longer than your regular poles (to
make up for the height of the wheels).  I prefer carbide tips, but
they're not allowed on most of the bike paths around here, so rubber tips
are a good second choice.  No matter what you use, the "feel" is a lot
different from snow.
From: hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Sep24.212752.9895@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Reply-To: hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep24.212752.9895@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
>The only problem I have with them is that, after only the first session, I
>got a very nasty cherry just above my right outside ankle.  The skin 
>completely wore away after only 2 hours of skating.  The severity of the 
>injury goes beyond what you would expect when breaking in a new pair of 
>boots.  I called SP Teri back and made an appointment to come in this 
>Saturday to have some adjustments made to the boot.  Again, the service is
>excellent.  Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on the best (ie least
>painful) way of breaking in a new pair of boots?  One suggestion I've
>heard is to wear them around the house.  Any other ideas?

*DON'T* wear them around the house!!!  The position and distribution 
of your foot when you walk is different from when you skate!  One thing
I can suggest is that you wet a pair of socks in lukewarm water, wring
them out so that they are damp (not sopping wet!) and put your skates on
and stay put -- propping your feet up is best in my experience.

The dampness of the socks will help mold the boot more quickly to your
foot and it will make the transition to the new skates easier.  Of course,
the best way to break in new skates is to skate in them!!!  It  sounds
like your skates need the ankles adjusted and it sounds like that is
what SPT is going to be doing for you. 

Good luck.

-elaine
-- 
Das Computenmaschine ist nicht fuer gefinger poken and mittengrabben...
hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM
Cold as ice, ice baby....           Stop *HACK*ing and fall in love....
Newsgroups: rec.skate,news.answers
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: the FAQ + more ice skating stuff?
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:01:47 GMT

> For you ice skaters out there, I know you feel swamped by the in-line and
> and roller crowd, but you are more than welcome to add stuff to the FAQ
> files. (Granted, there haven't been too many FAQs for ice skating, but
> we gotta start somewhere 8-)

I just browsed through the 5 FAQ files just posted and I didn't see
a single FAQ on ice skating (unless you count the ones involving the 
switchable roller/ice skates).  There was a whole FAQ file on buying
roller blades.  How about one on where/what kind of ice skates (boots
and blades) to buy?  

Kevin Anderson 

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Nyrsa skate marathon results????
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 04:21:37 GMT

Does anyone know the results of the New York skate marathon held
last weekend?  (A great race on a great course in a great city!)
Boo-hoo, I did it last year but couldn't afford to go to it
this year, and I can't affort to go to Athens Atlanta either despite
looking forward to it all year long, auwaa-aaah (time to post to
alt.whine.)

Ricardo.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: NY Skating?
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <ABOULANG.92Oct5160015@kariba.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
> In article <ld138kINNl19@news.bbn.com> mldickens@bbn.com (Michael Dickens) writes:
> 
> 
>    I'm finally getting a chance to visit New York, specifically, Manhattan
>    (I think). I'm wondering about a few things:
> 
>    (1) Will it be warm enough to skate?
> 
>    (2) If (1), where does one go to skate? Are there any special rules that
>    one must look out for?
> 
> Since you did not specify what kind of skating, I shall assume you
> mean indoor rink skating ;-). If not, you might be interested in this as
> an alternative venue for skating. (During those days that are too cold.)

The other answer being that Central Park is the most popular outdoor
skating spot in Manhattan.  During daytime hours, you should see plenty
of folks skating on the trails and also some slalom and trick skating.

It's still warm enough now, though it might not be too pleasant on a
windy day.

As far as special rules, mostly common sense for NYC/Central park.  Daylight,
stay in well populated areas and just in case, don't carry anything you would
regret losing.

As far as I know you can skate there pretty much anytime, but there are some
hours/days when all the roadways are closed to cars and you have more room
to play?

Any NYC folk who can provide more precise information?
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inline wheel question
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:37:27 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Cohena-011092080009@l30346.mdc.com> Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.204725.27795@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
> adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) wrote:
> >.........if you're really concerned about prolonging wheel use,
> > learn to use your brake.  It's more versatile than you may think and
> > it's only 3 bucks a pop.  
> 
> OK.....  but how do I use it?  I guess that may sound like a pretty stupid
> question....  Sorry....  I've used toe positioned breaks and even there it
> seemed awkward....
> 
> On a different note......
> Anybody ever try playing frisbee on skates????

One, toe brakes are for beginners and emulating advanced ice skating jumps
that use the toe pick for take off or landing.  The heel brake is a serious
utility brake, don't judge it by the toe stop.

The big difference is that (after practice) you can effectively put your
weight on the heel brake for maximum stopping action, all you can with the
toe stop is drag it behind or (if skilled) twist as do an ass-backwards
stop.

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:23:08 GMT

In <jkaplenk.718049340@lucpul.it.luc.edu> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>In <19uujdINN2lg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace) writes:


>The question of having a separate newsgroup on ice skating, which I assume	
>would be artistic ice skating as opposed to hockey and speed, is a tough one.

Before I get any flames, I interpreted the discussion to mean primarily 
concerns expressed  by artistic skaters. Hockey and   speed skaters,
interests tend to be different from the artistic skaters which could
lead to several groups.

I also thought there was a rec.hockey group for  hockey skaters, which
seems not to be true. The rec.sport.hockey newsgroup I guess tends to be more
interested in spectator sports according to another listing here.
I think artistic ice and quad skaters have a lot in common as was shown
by the discussion on boots. There were a number  of  contributions from
quad skaters. Separate newsgroups would make this less  likely to 
happen.
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:32:24 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <42090037@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) writes:
> 
>            My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating
> on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
> the policies at other companies? 

This kind of thing is a pain when it happens.  Usually company security or
facilities foks see people playing around on skates and thinks there ought
to be some kind of rule against it and then publishes a memo prohbiting
the activity.

On inquiring the first excuse is that it is "unsafe" and if you press,
it is prohbited by the company's insurance.  This may or may not be the
case - it may not be mentioned at all but there may be some language
about non-work use, or athletic activities are prohibited except as
covered by riders.

Probably the best bet is to organize and get some recognition by management,
a company recreation committee or sport club *before* the fact.  Usually if
someone with coroporate recognition is willing to take responsbility or 
stand up to the "rule makers" they can prevail.

In our case, skating wasn't "prohibited" till someone skated indoors past
the security office during working hours.  Shortly afterwards a memo went
out prohibiting any skating on the property, using the safety and insurance
excuses *and* citing injuries on the company volleyball court as a reason
why unsafe "recreational" activities couldn't be tolerated...

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.212752.9895@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
>>The only problem I have with them is that, after only the first session, I
>>got a very nasty cherry just above my right outside ankle.  The skin 
>>completely wore away after only 2 hours of skating.  The severity of the 
>>injury goes beyond what you would expect when breaking in a new pair of 
>>boots.  I called SP Teri back and made an appointment to come in this 
>>Saturday to have some adjustments made to the boot.  Again, the service is
>>excellent.  Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on the best (ie least
>>painful) way of breaking in a new pair of boots?  One suggestion I've
>>heard is to wear them around the house.  Any other ideas?

In article <1364@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>
>The dampness of the socks will help mold the boot more quickly to your
>foot and it will make the transition to the new skates easier.  Of course,
>the best way to break in new skates is to skate in them!!!  It  sounds
>like your skates need the ankles adjusted and it sounds like that is
>what SPT is going to be doing for you

I took the skates back to SP Teri last Saturday and George (the owner) helped
me out.  Apparently, the problem was caused by too much padding along the 
right side of the right boot which formed a ridge which was rubbing my skin
raw.  The first thing they did was open the stitching up, tear out some of
the padding, and then sow it back up again.  This flattened out the ridge 
which was (presumably) causing the trouble.  The other thing they did was
glue a big, soft wool pad into the boot right above my ankle.  And they did
all of this in about 40 minutes while I waited!  It pays to live near the 
factory.  One of the guys who works there told me that the person who fixed
my boot is a semi-famous boot maker.  I won't know until tonight if it was
worth the trouble or not (when I go skating).  My hunch is that it was.

I also tried wearing my boots at home to help break them in.  I hope nobody
sees me in my bathrobe at 11 o'clock at night wearing ice skates and watching
Leno.

Kevin Anderson
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: dean@rtsg.mot.com (Richard Dean)
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Reply-To: dean@gold.rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:26:14 GMT

In <1992Oct1.004940.24812@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:

>(Go skate on a university tennis court.  You'll get annoying assistant
> coaches running out yelling "verboten! verboten!" 1/2 8-)

>I've been wondering about this.  Just how much wearage can lots of skating
>do to parking-lots, tennis courts, etc?  I've yet to see any damage caused
>by skating on parking-lots or tennis courts.

At my apartment building skating is not allowed on the tennis courts,
and the reason given was the brake marks, which I have to admit aren't
very attractive on the court.  I doubt they will make a distinction
between marking and non-marking hardware.

>-Tony Chen
> adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
> adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

/richard
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Full size tracks of speed skating
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:20:16 GMT
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: pae@blackcat.stortek.com's message of 25 Sep 92 23:48:28 GMT

>If at all possible, go to Calgary. That's the only place in the Western World
>I've heard of that rents speed skates.
I heard that speed skating is not allowed in the public sessions in all the
ice rinks, and they don't have sessions for speed skating (except for the
training of the club members). It looks like my enthusiasm in speed skating
has to die. :-( I specially refer to UK.

If some place rents speed skates, are the skates properly sharpened? I have
to lay my doubt on that. Another question, do those profesionals have their
skates sharpened by themselves or by some other specialists? When I did my
training, we always did this ourselves. Firstly, no one did this for us,
secondly, only we knew it the best how to shape the skates. More interestingly,
we sometimes had to use force to correct the slight bend on the blades due
to the tremendous force used for starting off. We always blamed the quality
of the China made blades. The profesionals over that time used the blades
imported from Norway. Probably things were running differently in the
West. I'd love to buy a pair of speed skates (for 400m track skating). Can
anybody out there suggest who makes the better (not necessarily the best,
as I can't afford it.) skates, and what brands are generally preferred?

Yi Qin
Manchester
.
From: karlf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Karl Fengler)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:04:55 GMT
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.skate

/ hpdmd48:rec.skate / guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) / 10:11 am  Sep 24, 1992 /
	Hi,
           My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating
on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
the policies at other companies? 
----------
Here in Boise (HP) skating is still OK. (except picnic time) I don't 
skate here though. I live about 12 miles from the site and have much
better skating  terrain on my end of town. Albertsons (HQ) has a great
parking lot for laps, hockey or whatever. The greenbelt out to Lucky
Peak Res. is a good long skate. 

I have heard that in some cities they ban skateing in certain areas.

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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Stretching
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:19:31 GMT

zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes:

>I recently had the pleasure of watching a well-known skater zoom around our
>local rink.  What amazed me (aside from the triple axels and heart-stopping
>death drops, of course :-) was the fact that he spent a good 25 minutes
>stretching before getting onto the ice.  Never having spent more than 5
>minutes stretching myself, I tried stretching for 25 minutes the next time
>I skated.  It made such a difference that I've decided to do it every
>time I skate.  My muscles were warmed up, I didn't have to take my usual
>10 to 15 "practice laps", and I just generally felt much more in control
>of my skating.

It usually takes me about 25 minutes or so of just stroking around the 
ice before I've loosened up.  Warming up off ice is definetly a better way
to go, but unfortunatley the rink I skate at doesn't have much room for 
that kind of thing.  

BTW, what is a "death drop"?

Kevin Anderson