HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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> He thought it was uploaded - there may be some sort of
> bottleneck at SOME point...  Archive maintainers should maybe take a
> look around and see if GCC 2.0 is maybe hiding in a subdirectory
> somewhere!

Perhaps this is my fault for not publicly announcing my withdrawal from
assisting the administration of A.A's gnustuff. Over the last 12 months I have
tried to rationalise the gnustuff archives and bring them up to date. By and
large this has been done.

The amount of effort required to maintain the currency of the s/w is beyond me
and I dropped out of the loop several months ago. Since then, the only GNU s/w
which has been added to A.A. is that which other folks have u/ld.

I have a long-standing request from a fellow Brit for the GCC suite on cart
tape, so I decided to update my copy of GCC when 2.0 came out. I d/led the s/w
from A.A., applied ++jrb's updates (14->19) and compiled up the binaries with
an HP-hosted cross-compiler. I've been doing this at my own speed during
lunchtimes and it's very little additional effort to package up the updated
sources and resultant binaries and u/l them to A.A., hence my recent posting on
the subject. *But* that's as far as I intend to take it. 

I hoped to u/l some of it this week but I had to fly to Stuttgart on Monday,
spent Tuesday in Stuttgart, am writing the trip report today, have all Thursday
a.m. scheduled for a meeting, Thursday p.m. for urgent admin work (expenses
from Stuttgart, etc) and on Friday will need to get on with deadlined project
write-ups.  As you can see, there's little time left for pratting about with
trivialities such as s/w for my home computer. Hence the delay chaps, sorry and
all that but ... I'll see what I can do during lunchtimes. 

Cheers,

--
Graham Higgins 					gjh@hpl.hp.com (okay Michael?)
<< My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >>
From: dh108@cs.city.ac.uk (KEATES M G)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: F1GP is out
Keywords: F1GP, Geoff
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:51:47 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <1992Apr7.090856.21977@cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>Speaking of HD support, of the seven or so Microprose packages that I looked
>at, all of them supported HD's on the Amiga but only two on the ST. These
>were Silent Service II and Knights of the Sky. The feature list of Knights of
>the Sky said that playing via modem ports was only available on the PC and
>Amiga versions. What gives? I see no reason why ST versions can't have HD or
>modem support. Paranoia would lead me to believe there was plot here.
>
From what I remember reading in ST Format, Microprose said that there
were not enough hard drive owning ST users to warrant the extra effort
involved in including hard drive support in 'Golf', at least, so I
assume the samew for other games.

Very poor show if you ask me, a survey in ST Format showed that
quite a percentage of ST owners 'intended' getting a hard-drive at
some time, and add me to that. 'Golf' is such a great game, I'd waste
space on my hard drive with it anyday!

Mark.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: davidd@cs.mcgill.ca (David D'ANDREA)
Subject: Re: Overscan Mod
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:14:43 GMT

In article <A39074@MS.maus.de> Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow) writes:
>c>The autoswitch overscan (as it's called) is a little more complex to install
>c>but is more convenient.
>
>It's even easier to install and worth its price.
>
>Greetings,
> Patrick

	Is there any such product available for the (non-Mega) STe?  Last I
heard, it only worked on non-e machines with TOS >=1.2.

					David D'Andrea
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Founder of Atari?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:02:33 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX

In article <9VA2MFG@lime.in-berlin.de> techno@lime.in-berlin.de (Techno) writes:
>
>No, no, it was Nolan Bushnell all right. The inventor of the video game, BTW.

A little picky here, but Bushnell developed the first coin-op
video game; he didn't come up the entire concept.  Slug Russell's
Space War could probably be called the first video game.  And
Ralph Baer did some work in the sixties with paddle types
of games which could be played on a TV.  Bushnell's first two
games were a clone of Space War (Computer Space) and Baer's
paddle game (Pong).

Another poster was trying to remember what games Chris Crawford
did for Atari.  I can recall Eastern Front, SCRAM, Energy Czar,
and Excalibur.  He switched from the Atari 8-bit computers to
the Macintosh around 1984 and he still works on that machine
(Balance of Power, Trust & Betrayal, Guns 'n Butter, etc.).
--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: CD ROM drives on the ST w/ Spectre
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:30:32 GMT

In article 13078@watserv1.waterloo.edu, ec333way@steam.uwaterloo.ca (Winter92
BEACON ec333 account) writes:
>My question is this: Can I hook a CD-ROM up to my ST that will AT LEAST
>work with the mac? It doesn't necessarily have to do anything useful with
>an ST, as long as it acts like a normal mac cd-rom..
>Would I need a megatalk board for this or will my ICD adapter be good enough?

You will need the megatalk board from Gadgets by Small.

>Also, I've heard that the Mac 1.44 meg disks are identical to IBM 1.44's..
>Is this true? Could I, in theory, take a 1.44 meg Mac disk to my PC, read the
>1.44 disk onto hard drive, re-write to an 800k and move to my ST? That would
>be nice as well.. (I assume that copying files from the ST to a Spectre
>partition IS possible?)..
>
Uh, the physical floppies ARE the same but the formats are not.  A Mac with a SuperDrive 1.44 can read and write to PC and ST disks (I do this almost every
day) but not the other way around.  The ST can read and format Mac disks, of
course, when using the Spectre GCR.  And yes, you may copy files from an ST
partition to a Spectre partition but it's not all that straightforward.  You
must keep in mind that the Spectre partition is hidden from the ST operating
system.  So to copy a file from ST to Spectre partition, you would first copy
the file to a floppy using the Transverter utility (comes with SPectre) or
some similar utitlity, then boot Spectre, then copy the file from the floppy
to your SPectre partition.  Convoluted, perhaps, but it works.

-Hutch-

around.
>
>-- 
>Mattias Hembruch
>mghembruch@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
>or ec333way@sail.uwaterloo.ca



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Can you recommend a Good Color DA Calculator?
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:19:08 GMT

A few of simple questions:

Do have a desk accesory calculator that you recommend.  Either a basic 
add, subtract, mult., div, type or something with hex.  I got hold of 
DACALC, but alas, it's mono only.

Speaking of which, is there a mono emulator that works for STe (1.6)?
I had one that looks great on the STf, but on the STe, the screen has a 
syncing problem.

And FINALLY!  Is there a color.cpx specifically for STe with all 4096 colors?

Thanks,
	Doug Plate

Does anyone use Vanterm?  I have version 4, and I like it.  I can upload 
somewhere if there is interest.
From: mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Unix ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:27:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:

>	The Atari Unix is supposed to be a full port of System VR4, with the
>Wish (sp?) windowing interface.  What I am wondering is if it will support
>the currently-existing SCSI/ACSI ethernet cards (I would assume that it would
>support any VME/Megabus cards as it is on the bus like most other UNIX ethernet
>cards)?  If it does support ethernet (or SLIP, etc.), will it support NFS so
>that it can mount fileservers, other accounts, etc.?  
>	Will it support 3rd party video cards (say one of the plethora of 
>1024x768 cards thave hve come out), or are we stuck with using only the Atari
>Monochrome (or other brands I would suppose) monitors?

(I'm not sure _anyone_ knows how to spell WiSH - it's some combination
of captials that may match what I just wrote, or not...).

The TT has only a single 3U VME slot, allowing for one half-high card.
There's a workable ethernet card (Reibl) which has a supported driver,
which allows running TCP, NFS, etc - I'm doing so now.  It will support
a 3rd-party video card in the future - I doubt whether I'm at liberty
to say which one.  However, with only one slot, you have to make a
choice between ethernet and video adaptor.  ACSI devices aren't
appropriate for UNIX because of the way the ACSI bus hogs the processor
(Atari is, I believe, fighting off having to support the ACSI laser
printer for this reason) but it you know of a good SCSI Ethernet, I'd
be intereted in hearing details.  At one time there was support for
such a device, but the mfg. discontinued it.  I know there was a
company doing such a device for Macs (in Utah?), but I never did get
any more info on them.
-- 
Mats Wichmann
Systems Software Consultant
alruna!mats@ossi.com (or mats@netcom.com)
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days.
Subject: Re: More info on GEMulator please!
	<1992Apr6.145527.10156@oz.plymouth.edu>
	<1992Apr10.174126.18488@microsoft.com>
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:09:02 -0600

In <petav.703269056@e20.physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, Peter Averkamp writes:

>I assume that this clumsy hardware solution is to prevent some
>jerk from the company get a lawyer and sue anybody for copyright 
>violation, right ? If you've got the ROM's you've bought a machine, Ha!

    You can purchase Tos 1.4 and 2.6 chips right now over the counter 
at any atari dealer, so what possible reason do you have for thinking 
you have to take the chips out of your own computer, or even own an
Atari to use the Gemulator?

    Also, would all you people who want to start flame wars with Darek
please set your follow ups to alt.flame where these postings belong.


-- 
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ballistic when they are subjected to something stupid.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Gemulator
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:37:05 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Gemulator

>
>>  PC Ditto ... runs at about 10% the speed of an IBM XT,
>
>In non-graphics-intensive situations, I would say that it was more like 60%
>the speed of an IBM XT.

I ran several tests using PC-Ditto, some speed test as well, it was less then
1 Mhz XT speed.  Even using 60% of an XT speed is unbearable (if it was
true to be 60%), because the XT's them self are awfully slow!  I, unfortunately
had to use one of these 4.77Mhz XT machines at the office.  Paging down and
up and spacing was almost an nightmare!
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:47:53 MES
From: Bjarne Pohlers <ZX0013@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MicroEMACS & The Atari -- .CMD

In article <1992Apr11.221051.20084@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>
>I recently downloaded uE 3.10, for the Atari...
>
>It's really nice, but is there an environment variable you can set
>to tell it where the .CMD files are?
>
Just download MircroEMACS 3.11a from ftp.uni-muenster.de (128.176.120.210)
(/atari/editors/emacs.zoo)
The Environment-Variable EMACSCMD contains one or more paths with directories
where the .cmd-files are located.
Please tell me about any bugs...

!"$%&/);=?!-.'"[!=({\,@*~#+$['&^(/!&=]`"%$_^.|?>}`>|"/~^<$:&)*;#!;[&=#"&%$\':"[
"  Bjarne Pohlers    Fast address: <srb110@math.uni-muenster.de>              &
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From: bigham@acpub.duke.edu (Scott Bigham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP !!! FRANKIE-Virus and ALADIN
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:40:38 GMT
Organization: n. Arrangement in an orderly or logical fashion.  See "miracle".

Disinfectant will detect the Frankie virus as of about version 2.2, I think.
The latest version is 2.6; I don't know where you might find it, though.

						-sbigham
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                               | Darn Good Reason(tm).
From: Pierre_Hansen@mz.maus.de (Pierre Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: CDK --> PostScript
Message-Id: <A7578@MZ.maus.de>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 11:10:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

E>Does Calamus or Calamus SL print PostScript ? If not is there a utility
E>to convert CDK to PostScript ? Before I spend money on Calamus I want
Neither CALAMUS nor SL print PostScript. However there is a module for SL which
saves CALAMUS-pages in PostScript format. Since this is not the internal
format, you will loose some of the CALAMUS-WYSIWYG quality.

Regards Pierre
From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:34:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.163441.7078
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Roger,
 
If you think Atari has no good software, their machines are too
slow, etc, then go get a PC, and leave us alone.  We like our
machines.  Atari users are a very close bunch of people.  For
the most part, our machines are some of the most powerful systems
available to the average person.  They're also the easiest to
use.
 
We may not have a gazillion programs out there, but we do have some
very good software to choose from.
 
Terminal Programs:	STalker 3.01, Flash II
 
Word Processors:	Signum III, Wordflair II, Word Perfect
 
Spreadsheets:		VIP Professional
 
Databases:		LDW Power
 
Utilities:		NeoDesk 3.0, Hard Disk Turbo Kit, ICD Utilities, etc.
 
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Emulators for the ST
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

krakover@spot.Colorado.EDU (KRAKOVER JONATHAN DA) writes:

>is there any advantage to having the emulator over the real Mac,
>except for saving desk space? 

Don't know much about it, but I thought Spectre ran faster than
a Mac, and has a bigger screen.


Warwick
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From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP ME on TOS 1.? 2.? 3.?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:23:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.172332.29891
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Let's see...
 
TOS 0.8 was the original, disk-based TOS.
 
TOS 1.0 was the first in-ROM TOS.
 
TOS 1.2 was the next update, which came in the new Mega ST's, and
featured Blitter support, and improved hard drive capabilities a
little.
 
TOS 1.4, also known as Rainbow TOS, further improved things, like
fixing the FAT search problem in the older TOS's, it sped up hard
disk access considerably, it fixed Flow Control (for high speed
modems), and a few other things I'm not sure on.
 
TOS 1.6 was the first STE TOS.  It was nicknamed miSTakE TOS,
because it was impossible to boot into medium resoution without
a special patch program.
 
TOS 1.62 fixed the medium res boot problem.  I'm not sure what else,
if anything, was fixed.
 
TOS 2.05 is the TOS currently shipping in the Mega STE.  It features
the new desktop features (called "Newdesk" by some, but according to
Atari, that's not its name), like keyboard shortcuts, custom icons,
program icons on the desktop, etc.  Flow Control was screwed up
again in this version, and requires SERPATCH2.PRG to operate
properly.
 
TOS 2.06 is the current upgrade to TOS 2.05.  It fixes the flow
control problem, and adds support for high-density floppy disks.
 
TOS 3.05 and 3.06 are pretty much identical to 2.05/2.06, except
that they're designed to run on the 68030 (TT).
 
The offical word from Atari on the TOS conventions is that the TOS's
are actually called 1.0, 1.02, 1.04, 1.06, 1.62, etc.  They're always
EVEN numbers (except in the case of 2.05/3.05).
 
Also, the official word on the meaning of TOS is "The Operating System."
 
If you need anymore help, email me.
 
Rob
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From: martini@cloud9.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany
Subject: Re: C for the ST
	<1992Apr13.145501.20740@newshost.lanl.gov>
	<1992Apr13.233321.10308@umbc3.umbc.edu>
Reply-To: martini@cloud9.in-berlin.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:35:54 MEST

In <1992Apr13.233321.10308@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs331109 writes:
( ) I disagree that you can't go wrong with modern C compilers.  
    I've tried many of the ST compilers and I am yet to find ONE that will 
    compile ANSI standard source code.  I'm learning C in school, and I 
    use a UNIX compiler.  I've tried Mark WIlliams, Lightspeed C, Madmax c 
    (or whatever), and am currently trying to get GNU C and/or Szobon C 
    to work.  If anyone DOES know of an ANSI/UNIX c compiler please let 
    me know what it is.

Pure C (the former Turbo C) does compile ANSI C quite well, as does, of
course, GNU C. GNU C will compile just about everything you throw at it,
as long as it's anywhere near C code and you get your options right.
Trouble is, GNU C takes forever to compile, and it fills up your HD
real fast.
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From: mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For Sale: Mega2+2 & Spectre
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:20:44 GMT
Organization: Language Lab, Brown University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.148.14.246

For Sale

   Mega 2+2 (Mega 2 with 4 megs)
   Spectre GCR
   SC1224 Color monitor
   SM124  Mono monitor
   65 Meg HD
   SF314 DS external drive
   
  lots of software & magazines.

   Asking $1000 for the system, obo. If interested in some of the
 pieces seperately then just ask and we'll talk about price.

Marshall
--mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
From: smithj@hpsadlu5.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:30:30 GMT
Subject: WANTED: LOGO for the ST
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

I would like to purchase a copy of LOGO for the Atari from someone.  
I understand that LOGO USED TO be shipped with every ST, but it wasn't with
my ST, which I bought in 1989.  I would like to let my 7-year-old daughter
play with LOGO to begin to get a feel for programming.

Regards,
  - Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
From: charlie@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Charlie Demerjian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: File number limit ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:01:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr6.210144.13254
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: CIS

In <7252@laas.laas.fr> doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet,149,6323) writes:

>Yesterday, when grouping fonts collections on one floppy,
>the copy stopped with the message  "invalid copy operation".
>When looking at what have been copied on the floppy, I noticed
>it contained 128 files, and had much free space left.
>This is a too familiar number to not remark it.

>So, the question is:
>  - is 128 a limit for the number of files that can fit on a floppy?

I think you might have filled up your FAT's. Try using a formatter that allows you to expand the size of the FAT and retry the copy operation. There is a German program that allows you to do this. It is called Hyperformat, and it allows you to control almost all the disk format parameters.
From: MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU (Mike Dorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Heat-n-Serve Sozobon...
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:51:36 GMT

Okay, kids, here's the score:

For a while, I was able to support Heat-n-Serve because I had a BIX account
and could get in touch with Ian Lepore through that.

Well, I'm also in college, and couldn't sustain $500+ a year, as much as I
enjoyed it.

Well, there's another guy who's on BIX who just got an MCIMail account, and
he's volunteered to act as a clearinghouse for bug reports.  You can still get
answers out of me, or Steve Yelvington (I just figured how to *post* to
c.s.a.s, so now I can speak up), or any of the number of knowledgable people
out there, but Bob Goff is the only way to get *to* Ian.  So if you have a
bug report, send it to 0005290822@mcimail.com, the name's Bob, and be sure
you UUENCODE binary stuff.  Be very sure.

Enjoy,

Mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Conan the Barbarian)
Subject: email address for HiSoft, for Lattice C?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:16:27 GMT


Is HiSoft reacheable by email?  I need the address.  Post it here or
email it to me please, if you have it.

Thanks.

-- 
John Schmitt
cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca