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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 23:47:49 EST
From: <IO20016@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GUS vs MT-32

I've been asked by several people to compare the MT-32 to the GUS.  I had
previosly owned a CM32L (which I unwillingly sold in order to continue
college) for several years and was forced to downgrade(?) to a GUS.
   Downgrade, hmmm?  Maybe not...
So the question is: Is the GUS better than the MT32?
    Answer: Yes and No.
       The quality of the patches on the GUS are superior to those in the
MT-32.  The wavetable synthesis and samples of the ultrasound reproduces
insturments much more closely than the MT-32.  In addition, you can collect
different patches from BBS's, making sure you never get bored of the same
old instruments.  However, when you listen to the GUS, it sounds "dryer"
and more like a computer, lacking the warmth of the MT32 sounds.  I
believe this is due to the reverb effect present on the MT32 and not
on the GUS.  It is my belief that a little reverb (and/or chorus) would
fix this up nicely.
     Sounds pretty good so far, what's the catch?  The ultrasound is the
power-users dream, but it's not too friendly to musicians.  It does
require a fair bit of time to get it working with all your software
(do I hear tweaking?) and lacks the native support that the MT32 enjoys.
I believe this will change as the GUS matures.
      It works great under DOS, plays those (somewhat annoying) little
.wav files under windows with no prob, and doesn't do too shabby with
the MediaPlayer.  But I have to admit I have yet to get it to work with
my Windows sequencer (Trax, by Passport designs).
      I must say that, if you get a GUS, upgrade the memory if you're
going to do anything more than play games.  The current memory is a
bit limited, especially if you load the drum section multipatch.
      The joystick port is incredible, it even works with my 486DX-50!
      Well, hope I help someone out, in return for all the help I
was given by this newsgroup during my purchase.  Thanks guys, you know
who you are.  Go with a GUS.
                                       -Tom
                                             IO20016@MAINE

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez)
Subject: Re: WinJammer and GUS
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:37:29 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-16-92 11:29
PT>>Every time I try to use WinJammer, I always get a "MIDI library has not been
PT>>configured" error message.  Has anyone else around here managed to get
PT>>Winjammer to work properly with the GUS?  MIDI files and WAV files play fine
PT>>using Media Player.

PT>Go into configure midi... and add the Ultrasound driver to the configuration.
PT>You must also remember that WinJammer doesn't support patch caching, so you
PT>will have to load in the patches for a song by playing it with Media Player
PT>first.  (To play the song with Media Player, you must make sure that
PT>WinJammer isn't configured for the Ultrasound.  After the song starts,
PT>you can stop Media Player immediately, as all the patches would have been
PT>loaded.  Then configure WinJammer for the Ultrasound.)

PT>BTW, if you have an older version of WinJammer that doesn't support
PT>Win 3.1 multimedia extensions, then none of what I've suggested will
PT>work.

I do have the Ultrasound driver configured into MIDI...I think.  Wait a sec,
I don't have to edit the MIDI map or anything, do I?

By the way, what's the latest version of Winjammer that will work for
Windows 3.1 and the GUS?
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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: Ulowell Dead?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:10:50 GMT

scoh@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Hello.. I just called the Ulowell Site for the Xwing demo.. And 
>I used to log in all the time with "anonymous" or "new" and now it says
>Access denied for "anonymous" wjhat happened?

I think I read csip that ulowell is down indefinitely due to serious 
OS problems... :( 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb)
Subject: Re: Will these RAM chips work on my GUS?
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:29:59 GMT

>and was wondering if the chips from my ol' XT will work.  I don't want
>to blow up my Ultrasound right after I got it, I'd like to wait a year
>or two :)   Here's a picture of a typical RAM chip on it:

>        _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_
>       |  ---+--- JAPAN 8616ACK     |
>       |     |                      |
>        )    |                      |
>       |     |    TMN41256P-15      |
>       |_  _  _  _  _^^^^^   _  _  _|
>         \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/

These won't work! The chips should say 44256-10, -08 or -07. That's 
256kx4bit (128Kb). Those chips you have are 256kx1bit (32Kb). Also
your chips is 150ns, when they should be 100ns or faster.

Jens Kr. Kirkeb


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe)
Subject: Musician
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:21:50 GMT

Does anyone out there know how to enter a key signature properly?  Also, does
anyone have any ftp sites that have similar programs to Musician (may be better?)  How about software programs (not shareware)?  I have a SB 2.0.  Thanx,

Brent
umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca

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that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow,
that's big' time.  Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself
looks really titchy.  ... huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:48:14 GMT

In article <gate.ZVuyVB1w164w@bowker.com> Daniel@bepcp.UUCP writes:
>From: Daniel@bepcp.UUCP
>Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:05:34 EST

>Re: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
>By: bz528 #0 @cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph W. Maruschek) USEnet      

>I have the SDK. It has 32 individually panable mono sampled voices.


	Well, if they're pannable, isn't that stereo?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: marusek@rahul.net (Peter M. Marusek)
Subject: New Digivox SOund Impression Wave Editor
Keywords: DIGIVOX
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:48:33 GMT

Does anyone have any info or feedback on the new DigiVox Sound Impressions 
Wave editor/mixer/recorder?  It supposedly uses 8 or 16 bit waves that are
windows 3.1 multimedia compatible...
cheers
Peter Marusek
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From: daa7365@tamuts.tamu.edu (Diego A. Aranda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Gravis UltraSound: Two Questions
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:31:17 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu


I purchased a Gravis Ultrasound yesterday afternoon, and I think I'm being
quite honest when I say that I'll never go back to Creative Labs or my
SoundBlaster (which is currently sitting in a box - anyone out there want
to buy it?).  The quality of the .MID files is amazing, and in my experience
even .MODs sound much better.  I can't wait until the GUS gets the native
support it deserves.

I have two quick questions though:

1)  What is the Gravis BBS phone number?  My manuals say to call the
tech. support line to get the number, but since it's Saturday, I can't
do that right now, and am unwilling to wait until Monday.  Does anyone
have the number?

2)  I heard that there was a Gravis FTP site (or at least, a public site
with Gravis files on it).  What's the address?  I tried using archie and
searching for files with the root "sbos" but only found a few public sites
with OS/2 files.


Thanks,

Diego
From: John.Smith@f7050.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (John Smith)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GENERAL MIDI FTP SITE
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:29:43 -0800

Can anyone suggest an FTP site to get general MIDI files?  Trying to archie on
MID, or MIDI is a nightmare.  Would be nice to have more than just the sample
MIDI files to play on my GUS.  Thanx.
 
John

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,rec.music.synth,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.makers.synth
From: cwilson@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chris Wilson)
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:49:21 GMT

tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Tony Berke ) writes:
>roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper) writes:
>>   so, can anyone ... and/or everyone ... tell me the difference between this
>>   piece of h/w and the Turtle Beach 56K?
>
>The 56K has digital I/O only, and is bundled with software that is optimized
>for studio mastering work.  It has a 56001 DSP chip for effects processing.
>
>The Multisound has 16bit analog I/O only, and according to a couple of
>people I spoke to at the company, there are no immediate plans for
>adding a digital I/O daughterboard.  Other than that, it is similar to
>the 56K in its signal processing capabilities, as it also includes a
>56001.  I think it comes bundled with different (lighter duty?)
>software.

You missed several of the main attractions of the Multisound board - 
1)  It has a Proteus 1/XR synth built on to it,  as well as a MIDI interface.
2)  It has a DSP on the card (56001,  I believe.)

Still not the professional-quality recording studio that the 56k is,  but a
nice soundcard nonetheless.

-Chris Wilson
 cwilson@ncsa.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: pti4378@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: PAS-Plus SCSI and SB Quality?
Reply-To: pti4378@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:13:22 GMT

I haven't seen an FAQ lately, so here goes.

I would like to purchase a soundcard.  I am not interested in much more than 
regular Soundblaster level functionality.  I would, however, like to use
it as a CD-ROM interface in the future.  I do not want to deal with the SBPro
proprietary interface.

The Pro-Audio Spectrum Plus seems to fit these requirements based on what
is written on the package.  Before I buy, though, I would like to know:

Is the PAS Plus hardware compatible with the SB, or does it require
a TSR to perform the emulation?

Is the SCSI interface standard and good enough to use to run a SCSI
CD-ROM drive and a SCSI Hard drive?


Gravis is out.  I don't want TSR's and I don't want to buy add-ons.
If there is nothing that fits my requirements, I'm just going to buy
a plain SCSI interface and a plain Soundblaster.  A combined card
would be preferable, especially since the PAS-Plus is approximately
the same price as a plain 16-bit SCSI interface.

I'd appreciate any help you can give me.  

I'll summarize if any interest is expressed.

Thanks,

Patrick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: belas@comb1.comb.umd.edu (BOB AT COMB)
Subject: Soundblaster BBS #s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Maryland, Center of Marine Biotechnology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:01:00 GMT

	A couple of days ago, I and others wondered about the phone numbers
for Soundblaster support.  Well, I guess we should have looked on our 
warranty cards, 'cause that's where they're listed.  For those of you (like
me) who didn't bother to do so,

	408-428-6660
	        6662
		6664

	They have the latest drivers and they _do_ make a difference in the
sound quality of midi files played from the Jukebox under Windows 3.1!!  Oh,
I think the line is a 9600 baud with full V32/V42 support (but then again, I
may be wrong). 

		"Ignorance is a
		 voluntary misfortune."
		  -- Nicholas Ling
		
		Bob (Belas@mbimail.umd.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: wity@iastate.edu (Wity Ganda)
Subject: Re: Got my GUSes from Telemart!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:27:09 GMT

In article <Bz42KD.FuF@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>In article <larry.724073248@mits> larry@mits.mdata.fi (Lasse Hero) writes:
>>Finally, Telemart seems to have gotten some more Ultrasounds in,
>>as I received my order of three cards (ordered 10-1-92) today.
>>Cards were shipped yesterday, so again fast delivery via DHL...
>>
>>Now, if I just could get my computer back, as this laptop
>>has no slots..:( BTW, disks are version 1.21 and card 2.2.
>>I assume these are the latest?
>
>Those are the latest.
>
>Phat.

Nope.  I've just got my GUS, and the card is Rev. 2.4

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SB16 Released at Last!
From: rwyckoff@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (Catullus)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:51:58 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <1992Dec14.093859.19956@nuscc.nus.sg> 
swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Sir Launcelot Du Lac) writes:
[reasons not to buy the GUS]
>        1.  'tis not represented by any company here in Singapore, so
>                therefore, no support.
Agreed.  

>        2.  At this moment, there's little software support, and if General
>                MIDI is going to be widely available, then 'tis likely
>                that that wilt be the sound standard for games in future,
>                not the GUS standard.
	HELLO?  The GUS does MIDI!  With wavetable sounds, built in!  No 
let's see here.  Little software support.  Hmm, oh yes, let's see if this 
rings any bells - Wing Commander Privateer with SB16 support - oh yeah, I 
remember seeing that.  Not! StarCon2, that one SURELY supports the SB16, I 
mean the card was only released 1 month after the game was, and it is, after 
all, common practice to support unreleased sound cards.  In fact, I remember 
seeing a whole slew of shareware utilities for the SB16 on wuarchive, just 
yesterday.  (Note: heavy sarcasm.)

>        3.  I hesitate to trust anything that uses TSR or software
>                emulation, seeing all the PAS-16 problems in this newsgroup
	Hello again.  The PAS16 does hardware emulation.  That's hardware.  
Y'know, those green plastic things ya stick in those slots?  It's NOT 
software.  It has the complete chips of the MediaVision Thunderboard (
an SB knockoff) built in.  I know people who own them.  And when was the 
last time you were able to download a hardware upgrade, anyway?  A new 
version of SBOS for the GUS has already been released, and I've had about 
90% success with that. (as opposed to 80% for the old version).  Considering 
that of those 90% of games that SBOS will emulate SB for, a further 50% will 
have one bug or another that will render them unplayable, I'd call that 
pretty good.

>Anyway, already gotten my SB16 ASP :):)
	Well, congratulations. 
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From: isc10192@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH KHANG WEE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SB16 Released at Last!
Date: 11 Dec 92 02:54:27 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Sir Launcelot Du Lac (swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
: 
: Hail People!
: 
: At long last, the Sound Blaster 16 ASP hast been released in it's home
: country, Singapore!  Cost is S$498 (about US$300-350).  But now, I'm a

	Gee...great (sic !) at this price.... i just can't afford it ! I
don't know why the price is so high, now i am thinking only about the
PAS 16, maybe it could be a better card, at a better price... moreever
it is supposed to be MPU-401 compatible (soon ?) Anyone care to commend
? Also, one Creative spokesman told me the card was for high end users,
if so, why din they improve on the SBpro2, which has loads of problems
with my 486 ? Why hasn't Creative done anything to solve it ? And come
out with an affordable stereo sound card ? Creative is getting on my
nerves. It is abandoning it's roots....singapore based customers. BTW.
has anyone heard of the new Wearne's 16 bit sound card ? It is
definately cheaper then the sb16 but offers 16 bit sampling too... at
only s$278.....     

: little uncertain as to what to do, for the MIDI Blaster is touted for
: release early next year.  This wilt allow playback of General MIDI format
: sound, so 'twould be nearly as good as the Roland SCC-1.  The Wave Blaster
: daughterboard for SB16 will also allow this.  The question now is: should
: I get the SB16, then the Wave Blaster? or wait for the MIDI Blaster and
: connect that to my current SB Pro? or get SB16 and then the MIDI Blaster?
: Any advice anyone?  Also, dost anyone have a more specific date as to when
: the MIDI Blaster wilt be released?
:

	i guess it all has to do with whether u play games more or do
sequencing more..... if u do the later i suggest waiting for the MIDI
blaster.... or better still get a Roland SCC-1 or a Tutle beach
Multisound ! Gee... i wish i had the money..... any loansharks out ther

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From: hansonj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jon M Hanson )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Information on soundcards wanted
Summary: Information on soundcards wanted
Keywords: Soundcard information
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:20:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

I'm a bit confused by the soundcard market. I've heard a lot about many diff-
erent sound cards. I've heard good and bad things (more bad things) about
Creative Lab's Sound Blaster Pro. What I'm looking for a soundcard with
decent quality sound (16 bit at least), compatibility with market standards,
and not too big of a price tag (don't we all want these things). Please share
with me any specifications, opinions, and experience you may have with the
different soundcards on that market. I would greatly appreciate the help. By
the way, I'm not getting a soundcard for games, I'm just tired of the PC
speaker. You can post your replies to this news group or I can be reached at:
hansonj@gas.uug.arizona.edu. Thanks for your time.
From: jamie@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Jamie Andrew Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Best Place to get GUS.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:20:59 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

Hi all.

I know you are getting pretty %$#@!! off with netters asking this
question but I have never got an answer.

Where is the best place in the USA to get a GUS with the 16 bit
option?

I have heard that Disk-Count is a good place but only have 800
numbers that I cannot use from Aus. If I could get a fax number for
them or anybody else how sells it at a reasonable price I would be
very greatful.

I am sure I am not the only person outside the USA who would like to
know.

cheers


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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: GUS - What is it?
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:42:43 GMT

In article <Bz5zAD.6B8@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
>Subject: Re: GUS - What is it?
>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:51:49 GMT


>If anyone gets a chance to compare the sound quality of the GUS to that
>of the SBPro (or PAS-16, for that matter), that person can't help but
>be biased in favour of the Ultrasound.  The difference is great.


	I actually did a demonstration with a SBPro this week in front of 30 
people.  Result: They were _all_ impressed bu the GUS.  When I executed Star 
Control II on the SBPro on one computer and GUS on another one, what a 
difference!!!!!!!!!!!  SBPro sounded more like a noise card.  Gravis 
Ultrasound won the battle.  They were all jaws-open impressed.
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|---------------------------------------------+  which I leave is too small |
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From: bjornhk@dhhalden.no (BJORN HAAVARD KLEVEN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS as a synth module?
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:02:01 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <85255@ut-emx.uucp> pancake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Daniello) writes:
>From: pancake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Daniello)
>Subject: GUS as a synth module?
>Date: 13 Dec 92 18:22:11 GMT
>Does anyone know if the GUS can be used now, or will soon be able to be
>used as a synth module?  For example using a DOS program that looks for
>a synth hooked up to an MPU midi card?  Since the midi ports wouldnt
>necessarily be needed for this, wouldn't it be possible to run
>some sort of emulation software first?  

Yes, this is possible. The easisest (and only, in fact) way right now would 
be to either use a second MIDI card for the MIDI input, and use the GUS as 
the output synth from a sequencer via the GUS windows driver, or to convert 
the SB MIDI cable by changing the internal circuit, and use the new, soon-to-
be-released Windows driver to drive the GUS MIDI IN port. No easy way until 
the GUS MIDI box is released, unfortunately..

As for DOS, you'd need to wait for drivers for existing sequencers, or for 
the Gravis/Forte produced IMIDI program, which will do exactly what you 
need when it is released (a delta-version (or whatever, pre-beta) is now 
in the works). But in these cases you'll need some sort of cable. 

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