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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:23:14 GMT

In article <BvtsBw.3C5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>becker@med-in.uni-sb.de.med-in.uni-sb.de writes
>> Elm doesn't include the signature files in the outgoing mail and
>> asks everytime: i to return to index screen after the pager has done his 
>> work.
>
>In your elmrc, add this line:
>
>signature = ~/.signature
>
>It should be in there (in the default elmrc provided for you) but it is not.  I  
>think that is a bug, but an easy one to fix.
Its not a bug, but a choice, why should we presume you want signatures.

>On the same note, why aren't there descriptions anymore for the lines in the  
>elmrc?  The file elmrc-info exists and is fully readable by all who run elm,  
>however on the automatic creation of someone's elmrc (a first-time elm user)  
>only the variable lines are stuck in there.
This is something you have misconfigured, as it does indeed put them in,
in fact, since there are now three sources of lines for elmrc, compiled in,
system elm.rc and usrs .elm/elmrc, the lines from the first two show up as
comments in their entirety.  Here is an exerpt from my .elm/elmrc file

# For yes/no settings with ?, ON means yes, OFF means no

# how to sort the alias list, "Name" by default
### aliassortby = Name

# name of editor to use for replies that have text
### alteditor = vi

# should the default be to delete messages we've marked for deletion?
alwaysdelete = ON

# should the default be to keep unread messages in the incoming mailbox?
alwayskeep = ON

note how aliassortby has three #'s in front of it, this is showing me
the system default, and I can change it in my elmrc, but I am not currently.
The alwaysdelete, however is being set in my elmrc file.
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvty4p.5Ko
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Syd Weinstein writes
> Its not a bug, but a choice, why should we presume you want signatures.

Why not make it a choice in the options page?  Sounds to me like something that  
isn't beyond a beginner user's grasp as well as something that can have an  
initial setting of "off" or null to still conform to not presuming you want  
signatures.  Also, a lot of other mail packages do it and it would be something  
worth documenting.

> This is something you have misconfigured, as it does indeed put them in [...]

Yes, I didn't realize this at first.  Thanks for pointing this out.
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From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:12:48 GMT

rab@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Duty Programmer) writes:
: 
: [Excerpt from my old post:]
: As an xterm has dynamically changing #co and #li values, the termcap
: library routines will work fine if the TERMCAP environment variable
: has the actual text for the appropriate entry, complete with #co and
: #li filled in.
: 
: Putting the current screen size into the environment is exactly what
: the X11 'resize' command is for... However, the output of this command
: depends upon whether you compile it for a SystemV or not. If you DON'T,
: then you get the complete termcap entry as your TERMCAP variable. If
: you DO, then 'resize' just sets the values for LINES and COLUMNS in
: your environment.
: 
: There are obviously two ways out of this predicament (for me):
: 
: 	1. Recompile 'resize' with -USYSV
: 	2. Modify the ELM source code in curses.c, viz.:

  The problem is already solved by the one line patch I mentined before
(it was the same case in elm2.3, btw.) - if you include sys/ioctl.h, the
TIOCGWINSZ constant will become defined, so that in the ScreenSize you get
the current terminal size, not the one defined within your termcap. For
this sake, you do not need the X11-resize either, as xterm catches the
SIGWIN signal and updates the winsize structure within the tty information,
so that using the ioctl TIOCGWINSZ call, you really get the propper current
terminal window size.
  Thank to this fact, elm will change its idea of the window size, even if
you resize the terminal window during the elm session. This is the most impor-
tant advantage as compared to the SysV/resize philosophy.

								Tom
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From: root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian)
Subject: Re: Stupid .sig tricks
Organization: a consultant's basement
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:30:41 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

How about making your .signature a named pipe and starting background job
as part of your login that delivers a new signature every time.

I never did it, but I suppose it could be done.
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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: "Urgent" Flag
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:47:36 GMT

tedcrum@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>I am using 2.3 under Ultrix. When I receive mail from a certain user
>of Pegasus, the message is tagged urgent. When I CAT the folder, I find
>the message "Priority:" to be "normal". I think that I have the problem 
>with only this sender because other mail I receive has no priority
>field. Can anyone help; will I need 2.4?
before 2.4, just the presence of Priority caused the U flag.
In 2.4, some simple checks are made about its content first.  Very simple
checks and easily fooled.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:02:45 GMT

In article <Bw4Ioq.8EC@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Oh, gotcha.  Will they [global elm.rc]  become standard or documented features in the
>future?  (And what about the "automatic creation" of .elm/elmrc files
>I keep hearing about?  That would make my life much easier!)
They are standard feature now, we just don't create one automatically, what needs
to be beefed up is the doc.

As for automatic creation of .elm/elmrc, it hasn't changed.
We don't create one automatically, as we see no reason to 'override' the values.
However, the first time a user does a save from the options screen, a complete
elmrc is written out.

New in 2.4 is that all the 'default' values are written out as comments
so they do not 'override' and can be changed later.  Only the 'overridden'
values are written out as real entries.
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From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: problem with pipe in 2.4
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:04:20 GMT
Organization: University of Cambridge Computing Service

In article <1992Oct6.170150.19503@DSI.COM>, syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:
|> You are trying to use Elm 2.4 with readmsg from 2.3.  You must install all of the
|> 2.4 package, there were corresponding changes to various parts of it.

Hmm. I haven't installed it at all. I was trying to test it prior to installing
it. By putting the directory containing all the binaries on my path I have now
confirmed what you said. If we release it for testing it will have to be done
the same way (change of path rather than giving it a name of, say, elm2.4).
Useful to know that. Thanks for your reply.

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From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: elm and rewriting From (was: Re: elm2.4, AIX)
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:18:08 GMT

In article <9w31Hdhv#9@atlantis.psu.edu> I write:
>Also, is there a way to turn of expansion of turning local addresses
>into user@fqdn?

Oops, i figured this out.  RTF(Ref)M on page 4 about "hostdomain",
"hostfullname", and "hostname".  Now i get "correct" rewriting to
"user@dom.ain", but I'd still like to have local mail just be "user"

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From: wiesel@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Joachim Wiesel)
Subject: Elm 2.4PL0 and ISC Unix (SVR3.2) 3.0
Reply-To: wiesel@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: IPF, University of Karlsruhe
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:37:36 GMT

After configuring Elm (with MIME enabled) and cc I get:

o       utils.o                 wildcards.o     wordwrap.o ../lib/libutil.a -ltermlib  -lc_s
undefined                       first referenced
 symbol                             in file
qstrpbrk                            addr_util.o
catgets                             addr_util.o
len_next_part                       addr_util.o
MCsprintf                           alias.o
mail_gets                           alias.o
setlocale                           elm.o
catopen                             elm.o
MCprintf                            mailmsg2.o
MCfprintf                           save_opts.o
qstrspn                             strings.o
qstrcspn                            strings.o
ld fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to ../bin/elm
*** Error code 13
 
Stop.
*** Error code 1


Any idea ?

Joachim

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From: tom@osf.org (Tom Jordahl)
Subject: including ioctl.h in curses.c
Summary: ioctl.h should be included always
Organization: Open Software Foundation, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.121248.16786@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
>
>  The problem is already solved by the one line patch I mentined before
>(it was the same case in elm2.3, btw.) - if you include sys/ioctl.h, the
>TIOCGWINSZ constant will become defined, so that in the ScreenSize you get
>the current terminal size, not the one defined within your termcap. For
>this sake, you do not need the X11-resize either, as xterm catches the
>SIGWIN signal and updates the winsize structure within the tty information,
>so that using the ioctl TIOCGWINSZ call, you really get the propper current
>terminal window size.
>  Thank to this fact, elm will change its idea of the window size, even if
>you resize the terminal window during the elm session. This is the most impor-
>tant advantage as compared to the SysV/resize philosophy.

The code:

#ifdef TERMIOS
#  include <termios.h>
# if defined(__convex__) || defined(_AIX)
#  include <sys/ioctl.h>        /* non-standard, for TIOCGWINSZ */
# endif
#else


I am compiling Elm 2.4 for OSF/1.  

We also define TIOCWINSZ in sys/ioctl.h.  
(where do you think we got our header files from...)

I would like to see this file included unconditionally, since you
*ARE* using a ioctl() call to get the window size.

There is no 'standard' place to put this define, certainly not in termios.h
which is a POSIX header file.  The correct place to put macros for
ioctl() is in ioctl.h.  Makes sense, doesn't it?

I will send a patch to Syd for inclusion in patch #3 (whenever it happens).
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Where is Metamail?
Keywords: metamail mime elm
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:09:50 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Try thumper.bellcore.com.
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: ELM vs PINE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:10:53 GMT

Noam H. Arzt (arzt@dccs.upenn.edu) wrote:

: Why not just get it yourself and try it? It can be ftp'd from
: ftp.cac.washington.edu as mail/pine2.4.tar.Z

There is an even newer version than that out.  I have pine3.03 on my
system, but I don't know if that's the latest version or not.
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From: stucki@math.fu-berlin.de (Christoph von Stuckrad)
Subject: Re: smail + procmail + elm + NFS ==> lost my messages
Keywords: lost message
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:16:40 GMT

Addendum to my previous posting:
>
>So this seems to be a broken lock someplace. ????

As I installed elm2.4 this morning, I traced it
on SUN with 'trace elm' and I saw that it IN NO WAY seems to lock
a 'private' Mailfolder.

This IMHO means, that a mail coming into '=mailinglist'
via procmail (or deliver OR filter?) can get lost during
the update of that folder (writing to the end of it
while it gets unlinked by elm) ?????????????????????????????
>
>Does somebody out there know how to lock One's OWN folders
>against this situation (I believe the system mailbox is handled
>correctly)     Thanks,   yours Stucki

I'm sure now that the system mailbox is handled correctly !
But what to do with delivery into 'private' mailboxes ???

Please reply by email to 'stucki@math.fu-berlin.de',
Thanks again, Stucki
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From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Subject: Elm 2.4 on ISC 3.0
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:27:08 GMT


I do have a lot of fun compiling elm 2.4 with both patches
applied.  

1) option one:  no posix library included...

If I skip "-lcposix" when running configure,  then at link stage I
will get complains that "setlocale" is not found. Well, cure is
simple - manually modify Makefiles, and include -lcposix....

2) if I include "-lcposix" when running configure, then
compilation aborts on file ~/src/leavembox.c", 
line 757 - SIG_BLOCK undefined
line 759 - SIG_SETMASK undefined.


Looks like in 1 case configure is not aware that a routine is
missing; how can I explain second case ? 


Any hints, advices, or how to solve this problem ???
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From: marcotte@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian Marcotte)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Choice of pagers
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:29:31 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <scs.718577886@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>The problem is less, not elm.  Less will, by default, act just like
>cat if there is less than one screenful of data.  You can change the
>situation by using "less -e" (don't know if that'll work in your
>options file, but it's worth a shot), or be setting your LESS
>environment variable appropriately.

Less most certainly does NOT act like cat! 

Here is an excerpt from the less man page:

     -e   Normally the only way to exit less is via the "q"  com-
          mand.   The  -e option tells less to automatically exit
          the second time it reaches end-of-file.

     -E   The -E flag causes less  to  exit  the  first  time  it
          reaches end-of-file.

Elm does not seem to be using the pager variable at all! I tried to
use a "pager" that was not a pager at all, but elm somehow still
displayed the message.

*** The problem is not with less !! ***


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From: james@engrs.unl.edu (James Nau)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Forms question
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:05:23 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering & Technology, University of Nebraska-Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: engrss2.unl.edu

In looking at the 'Forms' mode of elm, I was trying to determine
if there is a way to get a form to a user, without having to send
it to them in the first place.  From what I can infer in the docs,
and in the example (the Defect Reporting Form), it appears that I
would have to send 'auser' the form, so that they can reply to it.

This to me makes it less than ideal (kind of a Catch-22.  In order
for me to get a bug report form , I have to get a message from them 
so I can mail back the form to fill out?).  Do I understand this part
properly?

What I'd like is say an option so I could do something like:
	elm -F bug-report admin

where the bug-report is a premade form (in $LIB/elm ?) that just
prompts for the info, and in this case is sent to the admin user.

Thanks for any comments
james
james@engrs.unl.edu
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: smail + procmail + elm + NFS ==> lost my messages
Keywords: lost message
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:28:13 GMT
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA

In article <HYP795@math.fu-berlin.de> stucki@math.fu-berlin.de (Christoph von Stuckrad) writes:
>As I installed elm2.4 this morning, I traced it
>on SUN with 'trace elm' and I saw that it IN NO WAY seems to lock
>a 'private' Mailfolder.
No version of Elm has locked the folders.  There is no official
locking protocol for folders other than the spool.  I guess with
'non spool' delivery becoming common, something does need to be
done about this, but it requires that both sides honor it.
(IE: Filter, procmail, deliver, et al also need to not deliver
if the appropriate advisory lock is set.)

Patches to make Elm lock in the same protocol as procmail,
deliver, et al for folder changes are welcome.
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From: trkisa@uta.fi (Kimmo S{{skilahti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: How to save incoming mail automatically into folders?
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:32:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


Apologies if this has been asked and/or answered before, but
I read this group only sporadically (ie. when I've got 
problems with ELM).

Is it possible to save incoming mail automatically into a folder?
I would like to do this, because I am on various mailing lists
and I get approx 30 mails per day and it would make more sense
to read all the mails from a single list after each other.

So, how can I get ELM to recognize that a mail is coming from
a certain sender and then to save it to a corresponding folder?
Or is it possible?

Thx,

Kimmo

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From: tomb@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Tom Baas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: 2 questions concerning elm
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:04:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Hi.
I have 2 questions concerning elm.
1) I see from the discussion grops that elm 2.4 is now out.  Where can I get
a copy?

2) When trying to compile elm2.3(now I'll have to get 2.4) on a Sequent
computer, I get a message that it can't find 'ntohl' in the libraries
provided in my Configure.  I tried all the /usr/lib* files and I guess
that Sequent doesn't provide it.  Am I right on this?  And if so what can be
done about it?

Thanks in advance.  :)
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From: dean@coplex.com (Dean Brooks)
Subject: Forms in elm2.4.2
Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:24:56 GMT

  Has anyone been able to get forms to work in elm2.4.2?  I have them
enabled, but it never asks me "(m)ake form" when I am getting ready
to send the form message.

  Is it just me, or is something awry here?

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From: pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul Miller)
Subject: How to get mail message length in folder read?
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:00:52 GMT

I'm writing an off-line mail/news reader for the Amiga, and I
would like to know how elm knows how long a mail message is when
showing folders. I know there is no Lines: field, but is the
little '--' at the end before the signature standard?

please mail me with any info: pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu

Thanks in advance!

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