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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:44:38 GMT

In article <1if8j5INNqn9@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:

>In article <1if5fhINNl9@spim.mti.sgi.com> timl@mti.sgi.com writes:

>>Another update to the game at the Stick...
>>
>>Weather forcast for Saturday: Cold Windy and very Rainy...

>Things are already looking better for the Skins!  Maybe another
>mud-bowl?

Almost certainly a mud bowl.  I don't know whether it's better for the 
Skins or not, though.  Last night, some of the more informed SF sports
commentators (Wayne Walker for one) were speculating that foul weather
might work against the Skins, who are a smaller, more speed-oriented
team than the Hawgs made famous.  According to Wayne, the Skins need
a dry, fast surface to get the offense going.

In any event, it shouldn't work against the Niners -- just give the 
ball to Rathman and Jones more.


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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle took Philly to OT?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:44:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan6.204134.7527@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
 (Dan Smith) writes:
>
> Is it true that Seattle took the mighty Philadelphia Eagles to OT
> this year? How can you Eagle fans possibly be woofing about your
> team and how they're going to beat Dallas and such? This is
> ridiculous!
>
> Dallas is 13-3. They had absolutely no problem with Seattle. All of
> their wins have been convincing. All of their losses have been close
> except 31-7 game vs. philly where it took 4 or 5 turnovers and Bill
> Bates running into Kelvin Martin (a lot of breaks) to get the lead
> and then at the end, Dallas just gave up and let Hershel run on them.
> Game 2 at Dallas was different. Neither team got breaks and Dallas
> pretty much just controlled the game.
>
> The other two losses were the Rams (requisite blown game of the year,
> all teams including SF have em', even though this game still came down
> to the last play) and Washington. Washington was dominated in that game
> until the fateful, ridiculous, fumble call, which cost Dallas that game.
>
> Dallas has the number 1 defense in football. The number 2 overall offense.
> The number 1 rusher. The number 1 passer in total yards. The number 2
> receiver in yards. The number 1 tight end in receptions. WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM!
> Please give us some credit. I mean can philly boast about being the better
> team when the have a worse record and are inferior in every major statistical
> category to Dallas? Let's be fair and at least acknowledge that Dallas is
> a good team, probably #1 or 2 in all of football right now.
>
> What's all the woofing about anyway. You beat the Saints in the opening round
> of the playoffs. EVERYONE beats the Saints in the opening round. Even Atlanta
> last year had that honor. And if not for gift interceptions by Hebert, that
> might not have even happened. Dallas will not fold up the tent like NO did
> in the second half this coming Sunday. If philly is to win they will need
> many breaks cause Dallas will be ready.
>
Yes, indeed, the Eagles will need many breaks in order to win and I hope they
can create those breaks.  I expect the game to be close.  Both teams have
something to prove.  It could be a classic, physical, no holds barred game.

My hope is:
  1)  No bad calls.
  2)  No cheap shots.
  3)  Good, clean football.
  4)  May the best team on the day win, and hopefully, it is the Eagles.
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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: MOST OUTRAGEOUS MADDENISM YET
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 07:01:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.234946.10148@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>  It's a regular season game during the 1991 season, and the Goodyear
>  blimp makes an appearance at the game. Well, the other announcer
>  happens to comment about how the blimp is giving great shots of the
>  game. Well, Madden in all his stupidity, boldly comments, "Ya know,
>  instead of the guys who run that thing staying in the little part
>  of the blimp, why don't they use ALL of that space above them? Put
>  in a living room and other things". What a totally stupid comment!
>  
>  Everyone knows that's where the helium is! duh! stick to football! :)

Everyone knows he was being facetious! Duh! Stick to anything other than
critiquing Madden! :)
 
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From: vjoshi@td2cad.intel.com (Vivek Joshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Beagles back to Philly, will try again next year
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:43:46 GMT
Reply-To: vjoshi@td2cad.intel.com (Vivek Joshi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


Well Philly lost once again and no amount of ranting and raving by their fans
will continue their season for them.  Well 20-10 was not a thrashing, does 34-10
qualify or is it that somehow that last TD by the Beagles(Cunningham shows his
athletism by throwing for a TD after running for dear life) make it not to be a
thrashing.  Another stat for the Eagle fans to ponder

2nd and 3rd quarter

Philly 10 yards.

Dallas 221 yards.

With due appologies to the Cub fans the Eagles can start their next year chant 
now.

Vivek
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: Lambeau Field question
Originator: delarocq@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Playoff Predictions! READ! :)
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:32:43 GMT




  Buffalo    35
  Pittsburgh  3


  Brister will have to replace the ineffective Neil O' Donnell, and
  proceed to throw 4 INT's.. all toward Nate Odomes.
  Buffalo's D will force Pitt to stay home for the playoffs.

  San Diego  48
  Miami       7

  Dan Marino will be hit from all sides as Leslie O' Neal and Junior
  Seau force 2 fumbles an 2 INT's as the Dolphins can muster only one
  TD off after Humphrey recoveres his own fumble in the end zone.


  San Fransisco 56
  Washington     0

  Another sleeper. Young and Montana combine for a record 1000 yards
  passing as Mark Rypien looks very pathetic. The Redskins defense
  will produce more penalties than points.

  Philadelphia  39
  Dallas         6

  When Dallas loses Emmitt Smith in the 1st quarter, the Cowboys let
  the Eagles score 30 unanswered points as the Eagle cruise into the
  championship.

  AFC/NFC Championships

  Buffalo        7
  San Diego      6

  Buffalo edges out a nail-biter as the SD defense holds up their end,
  but Stan the Man is limited to under 100 yards passing.

  Philadelphia   2
  San Fransisco  0

  Young and Montana both get injured by the Philly defense. Therefore,
  Steve Bono comes in as QB, and gets sacked an NFL record 13 times as
  the Eagles can only produce a Reggie White safety to defeat the 49ers.

  SUPER BOWL

  Buffalo       42
  Philadelphia  41

  Buffalo and Philly exchange scores back and forth until Randall 
  Cunningham, while running out the clock, fumbles the ball, and
  Bruce Smith rumbles 78 yards for the winning TD! :)

  Now, this post has the most biased predictions this reader has ever seen.
  These scores are my dream. These are not my real predictions, just a
  fantasy for all Bills fans to laugh over.. especially the Miami score!! :)







  











 
  
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If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
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From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hamish and r.s.s
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:19:35 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


Some people enjoy a little laugh, others would rather put salsa on an open  
cut before loosening up.  So like to get their point across in the clearest
manner posible, others enjoy critizing others on such things as spelling.  
Completely unimportant here on the net.  (note to those who are tempted to
respond.  Yes I did mean to write "critizing").  Some let their thoughts flow
so as to keep things going, others want to mle with the types of
phrases used.               

The Point:

I posted to r.s.s for fun.  Much spelling when writing informally is spelled
incorrectly because one is typing quickly or one wants the word to be 
pronounced in a different manner.  To say, "Let's have it out" is simply saying
that everyone here has had a big mouth going off on Hamish and real football.
How many would type a letter over their?  I doubt the number would be great
after you saw the responses.  It is true, the humor and insults coming back
at you would be subtle and some of the best.

Note:  Hey LICTOR, sorry to inform you but the MISL has not existed for several
	years now.  It became the MSL a few years back (dropping the Indoor in
	hopes of soon having an outdoor season too.)  Before this could happen
	though the league finally folded after years of financial trouble,
	having only five teams for this season.  I don't what happene    
	to Buffalo, but one or two teams joined the NASL while the SD Sockers
	took a year off in waiting for the new CISL (or CSL league, I dont
	remember which) to open its first season coming this year.  (That
	would be Continental (Indoor) Soccer League.)  It will have teams
	from US and Canada and possibly Mexico for an indoor season.  Rules 
	will resemble the MSL I think (in contrast to the NASL "amercanized"
	format).

--DJD
The Bolt will be Back.  (Funny though wouldn't you think that rain would be
	a good place for lighting to strike?)

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From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:48:33 GMT

skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

>In article <103612@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
> >
> >BRING 'EM ON......
> >All you dallas fans must be sweating han!!!

>Think again homey, Emmitt gonna romp and Emmitt gonna stomp.....

Well, think about this: Emmitt gets stopped.  Or worse, Emmitt gets injured
in practice.  Your future is in Aikman's hands.  Ha, ha.
--
Kevin Schnitzius                         Eagles -- Not America's Team, 
kschnitzius@encore.com                             they're better than that.
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From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: Niners Defeat Deadskins, Selves
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:49:17 GMT

gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:


>Mike, I just heard a radio report and apparently the temperature of hell
>has hit 31 degrees F.  Since that occured I have to say I agree with your
>assessment in just about every way.  The 9ers were looking for any way to
>let the Skins win, but the Skins couldn't use any handouts - they had
>Rypien and managed to lose fine on their own.

I can't blame this entirely on Rypien.  The 'skin's receiving corps
once again dropped its share of balls, too.  Two big ones that ended
the game were to Sanders and Middleton.  In both cases the ball was
dead-on and they plain missed the catch.  In fact, this year, the
'skin's had more dropped passes this season than last.  Sure, Mark
looked bad at times, but when push came to shove, the ball was _there_.

>Personally, I can only think that Montana warming up on the sidelines had
>Young rattled. ;-)  Seriously, he didn't look like the MVP of his own
>team, let alone the league.

Right.  Watch what happens this Sunday when the niners are behind, aren't
moving, and the clock is running out.
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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:11:28 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.170359.21739@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>[stuff deleted]

 >Note also that I'm a Dallas fan, although I'm kind of glad that we
 >cannot sign White (I think his presence would screw things up - the
 >same way Jackson's did in Miami).

True but remember Steve Beuerline will be leaving and most likely 
will sign in the 2Mil range which means dallas CAN sign a player
for that ammount of cash......I agree I don't want Reggie or
any other Eagles for that matter.....nothing but trouble....


tim
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:47:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.010559.23105@wam.umd.edu> macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude) writes:
>In article <1iuu40INNoov@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan12.170359.21739@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>>>[stuff deleted]
>>
>> >Note also that I'm a Dallas fan, although I'm kind of glad that we
>> >cannot sign White (I think his presence would screw things up - the
>> >same way Jackson's did in Miami).
>>
>>True but remember Steve Beuerline will be leaving and most likely 
>>will sign in the 2Mil range which means dallas CAN sign a player
>>for that ammount of cash......I agree I don't want Reggie or
>>any other Eagles for that matter.....nothing but trouble....
>>
>

[text deleted about what a class act Reggie Whit is]

This is actually in response to a couple of posts.  I don't think you
get it:  I don't give two hoots about what kind of player he is.  He
would demand twice the salary that anyone else on the defensive line
is pulling down.  That is a big drag on the team.  Ask the Mark's
bros. in Miami.  It's an unnecessary distraction.  I'm not saying
that, talent-wise, I wouldn't love to have White playing for the
Cowboys.  But he would screw with the intangibles that is making the
Dallas defense a *team* defense, rather than individual players.  

While I'm on that - notice which defenses are left in the playoffs.
How many have a load of "big name" players?  I would say just the
Bills.  Dallas, Miami, and SF are all doing it with quality personnel
through and through, rather than a handful of superstars.


Mark
Go Dallas
From: tait@uts.amdahl.com (Tait Kirkham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "The Catch" (WAS: Randall, Emmitt, and "The Catch")
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:34:27 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan12.173711.17788@csc.ti.com> rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.160134.19141@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
>>In article <IK.93Jan12074335@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com>, ik@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:
>>> 
>>> In article <1993Jan11.190027.14379@ncsu.edu> mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>>> 
>>> > I too cheered for the Niners over the skins' because as much as
>>> > I wanted home field for da Boyz, "The Catch" devistated me (I was
>>> > only 7 but believe me it did) and I have wanted a chance at the
>>> > Niners ever since.
>>> > 
>>> > Over/Under on TV replays of "The Catch" this week is currently 40.
>>> > I saw it 9 times yesterday alone.
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Why does the media and everybody else only talk about "The Catch"? If I
>>> remember correctly, after the catch was made by Clark Kent, there was
>>> almost a minute left in the game (55 seconds I think). Sure enough, D.
>>> White was marching down the field soon afterwards, until...  "Hacksaw"
>>> Reynolds sacked him and caused a fumble near the midfield. IMO, the
>>> sack/fumble was as an important play, since Dallas only needed a field goal
>>> to win. Does anyone else remember that part of the championship game?

You are correct.  "The Catch" gave the Niners the lead but there was
much more that happened afterwards.   Mainly, White hit Drew Pearson
over the middle for at least 20 yards or so, with Pearson barely being
tackled by Eric Wright.  Wright just barely grabbed the back of his
sholder pads and made the tackle around mid field.  The next play I believe
is the one White was sacked and fumbled on.  He was sacked by Lawrence
Pillars and the ball was recovered by Jim Stuckey.  Rumor has it that
Drew Pearson said he was wide open on the left side of the field
but White didn't see him or got sacked before he could...  Bummer!

I've been looking for a tape of that game for a long time.  Anybody have one?


Tait

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From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to enter the draft
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:05:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan6.154036.22292@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>	As for
>	Bledsoe, I would hope that the Cardinals look at him, or maybe
>	the Saints? Denver? 
>Zip   Steelers in 92!          | Illinois Basketball: More three point 

Everyone will look and drool over Bledsoe, but he will be long gone before any
of the above teams can get him.  NE or Seattle will take him.  He is clearly the
best college QB (at least that i have seen).  

Is the state of Washington a QB haven or what (UW and WSU)?

--dave
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Patriots fire MacPherson
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:51:46 GMT

In article <1imolpINNp7i@crcnis1.unl.edu>, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
|> I am a little surprised that Mac was fired; I loved his enthusiasm, and the
|> next coach is going to need it if he wants to turn this team around.  I think
|> he did a decent job considering the talent pool.

  Yeah - he sure did. But the owners wanted to clean house to sell the team.
And of course they immediately fired GM Jankovich. Now there's nobody to
run the day to day operations. 
 
|> Despite that, rumors suggest Bill Parcells, Buddy Ryan, and Mike Ditka as
|> possible replacements.  I would settle for any of those guys!  Even Ditka, the
|> same guy who put us to shame in the Superbowl.  Wouldn't that be the ultimate
|> irony if Ditka took the reins and took us to the Superbowl!  He could rub
|> McCaskey's nose in it.

  That would be nice - but it will be a long time until the Pats have the players
to make it to the playoffs - let alone the SB. They need a lot more than 3 or 4
players!
 
|> Anyone in the Boston area hear any other juicy tidbits?  Like who we're picking
|> as the #1 pick?  From what little I've heard, they were planning on picking
|> Curry from Alabama, but now that Bledsoe is available they are considering
|> him.  I hope they give Marvin Jones a look. 

 Jones is good - but he's not going to help their pass rush all
 that much. Curry isn't getting a lot of press, but he's possible. The Pats need
 rushers!! OF course, they need a lot of things.
 Bledose is a  big possibility if they are convinced he'll be another franchise
 QB like Montana, Elway or Marino. Actually - if they do think he can do that,
 probably will take him.

  But most of the talk around Boston is trading the top pick for several good
  players. They did that the last time they had the number 1 pick, and it
  worked out pretty well in they got two excellent players for it. They need
  help in many areas - so spreading out 1 number 1 pick for 2 lower number 1
  picks makes a lot of sense for the Pats.

  Then again - there is no GM on  the Pats. The Pats are being sold, and if
  they are waiting for the new owners to come in to hire their own personnel
  and manager people, they're in trouble, since that will never happen before
  the April draft.   

  In short - the Pats are in big trouble this draft - the staff is in turmoil and
  Jankevich fired all their top playing personnel people - like Joe Mendes. And
  Dick Steinberg left a while ago. 

|> I think he could be the next
|> Lawrence Taylor.  He said himself that he "loves to hit people" and "it's all
|> I think about."  We could use that kind of attitude.  He'd get plenty of
|> playing time with our Three-and-Out Offense(TM).

  I think the Pats will trade down and Jones will not be available when they
  do. Or else nobody will be on the Pats payroll by drafttime and they won't
  draft anybody!!

-Ron Birnbaum
 Number One Patriots Fan - rec.sports.football.pro pool
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden is an Idiot.
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:33:22 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

There is a rumor that Madden has asked OU if he can take over the head
coaching spot there, so his detractors may not have to deal with him any
more after this season.

Daniel Welch
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:25:12 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.football.pro, alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law) writes:
>fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.174932.18395@pdn.paradyne.com> Leo James writes:
>>>Which event would y'all vote for as "the greatest moment" in
>>>your favorite franchise's history?

    As a Giants fan I'd have to consider several plays in the NFC Championship
game vs. SF and the subsequent Super Bowl vs the Bills as equal "greatest
moments". They'd include: the fake punt in the 9ers game where Reasons ran 30+
yards; the fumble by the 9ers, which LT recovered; and the field goal
by Matt Barr to win the game. In the Super Bowl, they would be "The Drive",
especially including Mark Ingram's amazing run which got the first down
to enable The Drive to continue (I think 5 different Bills defenders
had a shot at him before he went down) and, of course, Scott Norwood's
missed field goal.
    A recent "Greatest Moment" was the firing of Ray "Must Go" Handley. :-)

						  Steve