HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:40:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

Japan Central League Standing (Through games on Thursday October 1st)

                     W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Hanshin Tigers      64  58   2  .525    --
Yomiuri Giants      66  61   0  .520    0.5
Yakult  Swallows    64  60   1  .516    1.0
Hiroshima Carp      63  63   0  .500    3.0
Taiyo Whales        60  66   1  .476    6.0
Chunichi Dragons    59  68   0  .465    7.5
----------------
Alas, the beloved Yakult Swallows lost four games straight.
Hiroshima Carp's pinch-hitter Kojiro Machida belted a game-ending solo homer
in the bottom of the 13th inning, carrying Hiroshima Carp over the beloved 
Yakult Swallows Thursday night at Hiroshima Stadium.

------ Hiroshi
--

    |  / __  __/ __  __/ Hiroshi Yajima, 
  / | /     /       /    NTT Network Information Syatems Laboratories,
_/  _/    _/      _/     9 - 11 Midori-Cho 3-Chome Musashino-Shi,
                         Tokyo, 180 Japan,  E-MAIL: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp
                         TEL: +81 422-59-4256	 FAX: +81 422-59-4254
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:51:00 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

in cae anyone wants to check this out...

there was an elias book a couple years ago where it said something
 like "LIPS (late inning pressure situations) are valid!!!  here, here's
 our top 10 and bottom 10 for the past two years".  

for batting average only.

and miraculously, harold baines was in the top 10 one year, and the bottom
 10 the next.

which either shows the statistic is majorly flawed, or clutch hitting
 doesn't exist.

i believe the former...and that it DOES happen, but only in minor
 examples, and that we in the stands can't tell when it is happening
 (on the whole)
- bob gaj
From: rlevasse@music.prime.com (Roger Levasseur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Avoiding the CELLAR
Keywords: Red Sox, Cellar
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:36:29 GMT
Organization: Computervision Corp, Bedford, MA

In article <1OCT199210093525@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>
>                    Avoiding the CELLAR
>                The Longest-Streak-Ever ends
>               Third-Longest-Streak also ends
  ....
>
>                                                                    Length of
>    Team           In cellar    Streak NOT in cellar   In cellar     streak 
>----------------   ---------    --------------------   ---------    ---------

>Boston Red Sox      1932        1933 to 1991            1992        59 years


As was written in the Lowell Sunday Sun Sports section;  Tom Yawkey bought
the Sox after the 1932 season ended.  After Tom passed away, his wife Jean
had the team (though she sold an interest in it).  She passed away before
this season started.   Not once during Yawkey ownership did they finish in
the cellar.  Then again, neither did they ever win the world series
during that time either.

     -roger
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: R.S.BB FAQ V1.22 (9/25/92)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:35:50 GMT

In <6611@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes:

>In article <BvG3AJ.5Mo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.014709.20685@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>>>Hardly.  Certainly some of them are more so.  But from what I can see the
>>>vast majority of so-called "statheads" don't get any closer to the game
>>>than the morning newspaper.

>I just love it when somebody questions my manhood without even the remotest
>knowledge of anything whatsoever about me.  Roger, do you even get as close to
>games as the newspaper?  Can you comprehend a box score (I won't even ask about

Well actually Canada's National Newspaper, the Grope and Flail, is located
kitty-corner to the SkyDome in downtown Trawna.  And so when I used to 
work at the Globe it was pretty much a draw.  The newspaper and myself
were equally close to the games.

>your ability to understand the double switch or Defensive Average)?

well you know how it is in the American League...but I do feel that the 
Defensive tone of your posting is actually quite a bit above Average.

>As a matter of fact, this year I've gone to approximately 11 major league games
>in 5 cities.  I've seen Sherri, Harold, Dr. Dave, John Rickert, Barry Mednick,
>and perhaps other rsbbers at those games (I *haven't* seen my friend, the 

did you all talk about me?  huh?

rm

-- 
roger maynard                    
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:54:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct5.163033.9307@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In <1992Oct5.144730.18495@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>>In <1992Oct4.214410.23833@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In <92277.182016JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> Jeff Pierce <JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>>>I believe that the most recent Elias mentioned that Bonds is tied with
>>>>Gene Tenace for consecutive hitless ABs with runners on base in league
>>>>championship play (0 for 16 last year and 0 for 4 in his final ABs in
>>>>1990).  Any guess as to how far he may stretch it this year?
>
>>>Didn't Tenace go on to have a superlative Series?
>
>>Yes, but I would like to point out that Tenace was a catcher (i.e. he
>>was there mainly for defense) and that his team won.
>
>What does the fact that his team won have to do with it?  

Tenace's 0-20 didn't stop his team from winning.  This could be dumb
luck or it could be that Bonds is more important to the Pirates offense
than Tenace was to the A's.  At any rate, I do see you point.

>And the fact
>that he's a catcher doesn't make his failures at the plate any less
>harmful to the team.  And Bonds is good enough defensively to be there
>for his defense, too.

I don't agree with that.  
Someone else posted that Gene was about a .245 regular season hitter.
If Bonds hit .245 over his career he'd probably ride the bench.
Bonds hits around .300 with power and speed and is the NL MVP or close to it.
Tenace should have had 5 hits in the string.  Bonds should have had 6
hits with more power.  (Subtract 1 hit from each due to better pitching
if you like)

Just 2 or 3 hits with men on base might have put the Pirates into the
World Series last year.

>>>Or is it just that the World Series is less pressure than the LCS?
>
>>I've heard players and former players say that.   Could be true.
>
>>>Or could it be, just maybe, that if you take 270 players and have them
>>>face the top pitching staffs in the league in short series there is
>>>a good random chance that two of them will go 0 for 16?
>
>>Sure.  Note that we are really talking about 0-20.
>>Anyone know Gene Tenace's overall BA for the years in question?  
>
>>If my calculator and brain are working right, the chance of a .300 hitter
>>going 0-20 is 0.000798 or 0.0798%.
>
>Against *AVERAGE* pitching.  But presumably in the LCS/WS you're facing
>one of the top two or three pitching staffs in the game.

Stand by... I'll get to that in the next post.

>Vote Clinton/Gore '92.   Four more weeks!!!

Well, at least we agree on something :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name:       Ken Kubey  or  QB   |  Reading, editing or printing of this text
Address:    kubey@sgi.com       |  without the express written consent of
Disclaimer: the usual           |  Major League Baseball is prohibited.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets apology
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:04:13 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <Oct.5.22.35.47.1992.12633@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
|
|just for information across the net...
|
|themets took out full page ads in 4 or 5 new york newspapers, 
| apologizing for the bad season, and thanking the fans for coming
| out in hard times, bad weather, injuries, etc.
|
|and "signed' by all the players, manager, owner, etc.
|
|what does anyone out there think?  - bob gaj

The Dodgers ran a similar full page add about a week ago (before the
season was over, but after the last home game).


-- 
Warren Usui
aardvark@locus.com
uunet!lcc!aardvark
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RG's 1992 Tribe Front Office Report Card
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:13:47 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

i think that their releasing jerry browne was foolhardy.

the guy is born in 1966, and has put up decent numbers WHEN GIVEN
 the opportunity!  i don't know why the a's put him in the outfield - 
 he always played a nice level secoond base, and with full time
 playing time would be a 290 hitter, with some walks, and very minor
 power (more than luis polonia, in other words).  which isn't great,
 but from your second baseman, it's nice numbers.

true, the indians have baerga.  and they have thome at third, and
 lewis at short (if they wanted them).  but browne could have played
 short if lewis couldn't...or baerga could have, and browne at second...
 or other possibilities.

- bobgaj
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Frog Baseball Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Glavine
Keywords: Tidbits
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:47:09 GMT
Organization: Beavis & Butthead, Ltd.

Len "Confusius" Reed writes:

>If you're arguing about who's the best pitcher in the NL, then this
>has to be taken into account.  Glavine is arguably the best pitcher
>in the NL.  (At least we NL fans can argue about such things; in the
>AL it's not even a topic that can be argued.)

Huh?  I'm afraid I don't understand this.  Could you explain?

>Glavine, in an interview, seemed to think that this should be taken
>into account when handing out the Cy Young award.  I disagree.  Sure,
>it's unfortunate that the injury affected his performance, but you
>have to hand out a single-season award based on performance.  It
>seems to me that Maddox has had the best season, by a good margin.

Ok.  So Glavine seems to think he should win the Cy Young award.
Great.  I personally think he's third or so, maybe even fourth.  Or
even lower.  Dave Stewart thought (QUITE incorrectly) that he should
have won the CY in 1987-89 or so.  In 1990, when he wasn't even
mentioned, he had his best year, when Bob Welch won 54 games or
something, and won the Cy.

It could be worse.  It could be Cecil "I wuz robbed" Fielder, who had
a fine 1990, a weaker 1991, and a weakest 1992, and whined/will whine
about all three.

God, there's a real possibility that the mediacretins [tm] will award
the AL MVP to Joe "OBP" Carter. 

Shudder.



-- 
*  Gary Huckabay  * "Hey Mr. Selig - I'm glad to shake your hand.  It's nice  *
*******************  to see you, too, and yes, I understand that I'm not to   *
* take it personal, although we look like people.  And it could be my game on *
* the chopping block, but I'm sure it'll understand." from _Mr._Reinsdorf_KX. *
From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sandberg v Thomas/Oakland Coliseum/Cubs
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.717719354
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1992Sep27.175617.8076@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:

>Miracle of miracles: The Tribune's report on the Cubs this week says
>that, though Bell has hit 108 RBIs with the Sox, that is mostly because
>of Thomas; they predicted he'd only hit 75 RBIs or so for the Cubs, given
>that Dawson is hitting better than Bell but only has 85 RBIs.  Not only
>that, but the paper admitted that having Sosa and Dunston healthy wouldn't
>have made a difference.

I was amazed to read this in the Trib.  Such a display of good sense is very
rare.  I remember the beginning of the year, when Bernie "Should be 
Unemployed" Lincicome wrote that Frank Thomas should be more like George Bell
at the plate.
Imagine...
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: txa8755@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal)
Subject: Request ... Batting Leaders
Originator: txa8755@ultb
Reply-To: txa8755@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:13:41 GMT

Knowledgable ones,

Could any one of you post the Batting Title leaders in NL and Al
for last 10 years and their averages ?

Thanks,  
Tanmay
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Continuing on Morris
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:08:06 GMT

In article <20779@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>If a manager has a work horse who can  log a lot of innings
>it really takes away a lot of pressure from the others in
>the rotation.

I don't think anybody is arguing that Jack Morris has no value.  Clearly,
there is value in having a guy who can give you 200 innings of league
average ERA.  However, I believe this thread started on discussion of
whether Jack Morris was a Cy Young candidate, or one of the best pitchers
in the league.   Two hundred innings of league average ERA is not a Cy
Young candidate in my book.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Torre!  Torre!  Torre!
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:58:23 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <16018@borg.cs.unc.edu> morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
>I think that in general, you are right.  This isn't just any team, though--
>it is the team that they lost the division to.  What you say is correct
>for "team A could have won the division instead of team B if they'd only
>had a better record against team C."  It's quite different to say something
>like, "team A had as good a record as everyone else in the division as
>team B did, but they blew it in the head-to-head games against B where
>B beat them 15 out of 18."

Is it?  After all, which team are you more likely to have a larger number
of losses against, teams ahead of you or teams behind you?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: mikef@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Lasorda coming back?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:32:18 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I need some help from you left coasters.  I am one of the remaining few 
Tommy Lasorda fans.  He should be allowed to leave the team he's given his 
life to on his own terms.  I'm hearing rumors he may leave for Tampa or 
possibly be the Dodger's next GM.  What is the news out west?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Pena/backup catchers
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.160816.14024@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.182824.24911@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.145516.2105@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>>No doubt, the Angels would have started him if they felt he could have handled
>>>the catching duties full-time; their rotation is horrible. BTW, Parrish does
>>>occasional catching duty with the Mariners, in spite of having a better bat
>>>than Valle. Looks like a backup player, Nelson.
>
>>Just because a player is *used* as a backup player doesn't mean that he should
>>be one.  Tony Phillips was used for most of his career as a backup player.
>>That doesn't mean that he should be one.

A follow up to my own post on this: 

Tony Phillips was in fact a starter for almost his entire major league career
Nelson. WHEN HEALTHY. In 1983, he played 148 games, then 154 in '84. From '85
through '88, he spent extensive time on the DL. In 85, from opening day to
the middle of August, in 86 2 months, in 87 a month and a half, in 88 about 2
months. In 89, back to full-time duty. So, he was NOT used as a backup player;
he simply wasn't healthy enough to play full-time.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: R.S.BB FAQ V1.22 (9/25/92)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:28:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.014709.20685@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <0g!p=3b@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>
>
>>      Also, the group dynamics here are interesting.  Several of the fans
>>here are interested in sabermetrics, a term coined to describe the study of
>>baseball statistics.  This group includes many of the more prominent posters
>
>What is the purpose of this sentence?  Every poster on this net is equally
>"prominent".  Wipe the brown stuff off your nose Kurt...

Read a dictionary, Roger.  "Prominent" means readily noticeable,
conspicuous.  There are certainly some posters on this net that are more
noticeable than others, because they post more often.  

>>are welcome to post, note that we've heard most of it before.  Just to set
>>the record straight, the more numbers-minded folk are just as knowledgeable
>>about the game as their old-school counterparts, watch as many games, in some
>>cases even play the game at competitive levels.  Many of them can converse
>
>Hardly.  Certainly some of them are more so.  But from what I can see the
>vast majority of so-called "statheads" don't get any closer to the game
>than the morning newspaper.

Well, since you can see so well, why don't you tell us exactly what my
involvement with baseball is and has been.

>If you are going to do this faq thing Kurt, you have to try to be at least a
>little impartial.  I realize it is an enormous undertaking and I give you
>credit for doing it.  I certainly couldn't.  But this is not
>rec.sport.SDCN.
>
>Otherwise, a very fine job.  Thank you.

You don't like it, do it yourself.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
Subject: Re: Which team is most improved???
Reply-To: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:29:03 GMT



What about Cleveland?  They've had about a 20 win turnaround from
last year and a looking like a team to watch.
-- By the way, what happened to all those Alex Cole fans out
there?  Getting rid of him is the best move the Tribe made.

-bando
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Another surprise from the media
Date: 4 Oct 1992 22:07:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) says:

>
>From Bob Ryan's column in the Boston Globe, discussing Wade Boggs' value
>as a hitter, partly to speculate whether he would have been more
>valuable if he had tried to hit for power:
>
>"Of all the statistics that baseball uses to measure offensive
>performance, the two more useful are on-base percentage and slugging
>percentage."
>
>I don't know whether this is actually a display of intelligence, or
>simply fishing for a statistic to defend Boggs despite his lack of RBI
>and happening to catch a big one.  (Not that anyone could be a good RBI
>man on this year's team.)
>


    It might be okay if the quote is exactly correct.  If he actually said,
"Of all the statistics . . . the two _more_ useful are . . .", then he could
still be classified as lacking intelligence.  :-)

SfH 
-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                 **  It's like Deja vu  
Case Western Reserve University   **              all over again. 
Department of Physics             ** 
Cleveland, OH 44106               **                   Yogi Berra
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: PIRATES AGIAIN!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:16:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep29.191601.1418
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep29.005602.528@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)  
writes:
> In article <kelrH_S00WBOQ6ZH4o@andrew.cmu.edu> ed19+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric  
Alva Dunmire) writes:
> >CLINCHED 3rd STRAIGHT !!!!
> >ANY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!
> 
> sure: 
> How bad will Barry Bonds choke in the 1992 NLCS?
> 
> My predicions:  BA: .220  R: 3  HR: 1  RBI: 3  SB: 2 
> 
> Extra Disclaimer:  I have nothing against the Pirates, their fans, 
> or Mr. Bonds.  I just happen to believe in clutch hitters and 
> choke hitters and I believe that Mr. Bonds will choke again.

Well, I don't but I have noticed:
Bonds career BA/OBA/SLG   .269/.367/.485
Tot.Sept.-Oct. BA/OBA/SLG .247/.345/.409

It could be that he gets tired at the end of the year.
He plays a lot of games and does a lot of 'stuff'
It seems that one of the difficulties in being a 
power/speed man is that it can wear a player out.
(HoJo's OPS is down 41 pts. '84-'91,
Kirk Gibson's down 49 pts. '84-'91,
Ron Gant's is up 15 pts.,(this includes shorter seasons in '87-'89))

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:54:58 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

by the way didn't willie mays start off his career 0 for 40 before
 hitting a home run?

 - bob gaj
From: rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Schall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dennis Martinez
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:09:01 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Martinez missed his Monday start because of a strained
muscle. Will he pitch later this week? Anything out 
there other than what I got from USA Today?


--------------------
!!!Richard Schall!!!
rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball