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From:         charles a bunge <BUNGE@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Msc or mls?

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The specific designation of the master's degree makes little difference, in my
 experience (25 years of involvement in placement of s
accreditation, and other related activities).  What is generically called
the "MLS" is actually designated in a variety of ways at the various schools
that offer master's-level education in library and information studies.  Such
designations include M.A. (the case in my own school), M.S., M.A.L.S.,
M.L.I.S., M.L.S., M. S. in L.S., M.S. in L.I.S., and several other variations.
What's important is that one have a master's degree from a program that is
accredited by the American Library Association, along with the reputation of
the program (for training librarians generally or for training in certain
special areas).
Charles Bunge
Univ. of WI-Madison SLIS
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From:         HOUGHSTOW@library.uta.edu
Subject:      presidential voting

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This is posted at the request of a colleague not on this list.

Does anyone out there in electonic land know where one may obtain, in
electronic format, the vote counts for the presidential candidates by
county and state?

Please reply to me on this list or personally:
Helen Hough-Stow
University of Texas at Arlington, Central Library
HOUGHSTOW@library.uta.edu

or to:
Bob Gamble
University of Texas at Arlington, Architecture & Fine Arts Library
GAMBLE@library.uta.edu
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From:         radasteve@UBE.BITNET
Subject:      lesbian/gay librarians

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Yes, the profession has a responsibility to respond to these issues.
We have a responsibility whenever our colleagues are faced with discrimination
and this is a clear example. The problem confronting ALA is that it is
difficult to change large meetings at the last minute (month). I'd like to
see ALA publicly repudiate the policy adopted in Colorado at midwinter and
announce that no further meetings will be held in the state until the
policy is altered. Any state that specifically denies equal protection
to our colleagues should be off the meeting list until they change their
position. I'd also like to say that these issues impact on us from the
intellectual freedom aspect as well. States that condone discimination
based on sexual orientation can easily move to trying to censor material
on the issue.  It
s important for us to respond quickly to these issues because they have
a tendency to spread geographically and to other issues.
   I am currently on a committee of the Maryland Library Association that
is developing a position paper on the issue of gays/lesbians in libraries
in our state because the Association has none at this time. In many
libraries demeaning attitudes towards lesbians/gays are the last
"legitimate" areas of insult and discrimation.  Because of our significant
and active lesbian/gay membership we have a special responsibility in this
area.
Steve LaBash
Head of Reference
U. of Baltimore
Baltimore, MD
internet: radasteve@ube.ub.umd.edu
bitnet: radasteve@ube
P.S. If you consider relevant, I'm "straight".
P.P.S. I apologize for typos. And as far as the Ala cover controversy,
        ALA has a right-wing too.
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:08:28 EDT
From:         John Iliff <jiff@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject:      Asst. Director

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_________________________________________________________________________

                        ASSISTANT LIBRARY DIRECTOR

Leon County, Florida is seeking qualified applicants for the position of
Assistant Library Director.  This is highly responsible administrative work
assisting with the management of the Leon County Public Library under the
general direction of the Library Director.

An employee in this position provides administrative and professional
assistance to the Library Director in the direction and supervision of the
Library system; interacts with the public and the staff on operational
issues; assists in the development, implementation, and coordination of
goals, services, programs, and activities of the Library; collects and
prepares statistics; develops annual performance measurements of services;
coordinates surveys and output measures; prepares periodic reports and
correspondence of Library work and activities; oversees Library automation;
performs related duties in the absence of the Director.

Applicants must possess a Master's degree in Library Science from an A.L.A.
accredited school.  Experience with computers and knowledge of library
computer systems is highly preferred.  The annual salary is $32,573-$52,125
with an excellent benefits package.  A Leon County application is required.

For further information or to apply by December 18, 1992, contact the Leon
County Personnel Division, Leon County Courthouse, Suite 108, Tallahassee,
FL 32301.  Phone: (904) 487-2220.  AA/EOE

Reasonable accommodations and assistance are available to disabled
applicants under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1991.

Preference is given to certain veterans and spouses of veterans as provided
by Chapter 295, Laws of Florida.
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From:         "JENNIFER A. HEISE" <jahb@Lehigh.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Chaos on shelves?

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One of the things that I learned in cataloging class was that local practice
should lead the cataloger to group like items together (i.e., we catalog all
educational computing material in number x, so we'll put this new EDUCOM thing
in number x).
Unfortunately, OCLC and LC seem to have eliminated local cataloging practice.
We placidly swallow DLC classifications into our systems, without checking to
see that they are right. This leads to nightmares like the 362's from hell,
which seem to encompass all "problem people" from Puerto Ricans to disabled
persons to drug addicts, all next door to material on historic buildings.
Obviously, all this material could  be slotted into existing collections in a
tidy way, but if all you do is plug in a misguided Dewey..
Or putting the _Washington_Information_Directory_ into the 900's because it
deals with the geographic area of Washington DC (it is a governmental and
concerned-organization directory covering federal and international
government areas of concern).
(We won't even TALK about LC classification bloopers...)
I mourn the demise of local cataloging, which was supposed to fit our books
into our collection, for "efficient" centralized cataloging, which fits our
books into the LC's collection.
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows
Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road
Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
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From:         Ken Grabach <KGRABACH%MIAMIU.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Hats
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Dress Codes!  We discussed them a year or so ago, for librarians.
I think I never saw so many flames thrown, until Internet-and-anxiety.
Can't people come up with their own dress codes if they think they need
them?  All I will say is that if you have one, or desire one, consider
most carefully what you mean and spell it out clearly.  Test it on
soemone with a high-school education if you think it's clear enough.
I recall my favorite restaurant dress code, posted on the entrnace door
at King's Barbecue, Petersburg, Va.  It read:  "Patrons must be completely
dressed with shoes"!  Being afflicted with the malady called "literalism"
as the BBC's Denis Norden describes, I find this a wonderful code to test
sometime.  8-)
Some folks have wondered about where some regulars find the time to send
all this dribble.  I use quiet time at my reference desk duties, or barring
that about 1/2 hour a day out of professional reading time.
Maybe some take more time, I try not to.
Ken Grabach   kgrabach@miamiu.bitnet  kgrabach@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
Documents Dept.
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, OH  45056
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Subject: Reply to Library Building Pla
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:46:49 GMT
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*** Original Author: LIBREF-L @ KENT - ** Remote User **; 11/18/92 12:17pm

>Subject:      Library Building Planning
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>
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Response in regard to inquiry regarding academic library building planning:
Northeast Louisiana University, Monroe, LA is planning to begin construction
on a new library earyl in 1994.  The service points have been identified in
the program plan but no architectural work has been done.  I just received word
today about ad library planning discussion list on QUCDN and the list's name
is LIBPLN-L.  If anyone has the subscription info, I would also appreciate it.

Don Smith
Associate Director for General Services
McFarlin Library, The University of Tulsa
but soon to be
Director, Sandel Library
Norttheast Louisiana University

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From:         JESUTHER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Comparisons

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Misdirected, please submit to LibRef-L.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Rebecca:  Please let the listserv know what responses you get to your query
re CitDel, CARL Uncover, etc.  I know that I for one would be most interested
in hearing if there any comparisons have been done.  Thanks.

Betty Sutherland
Health Sciences Librarian
W.K. Kellogg Health Sciences Library
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

jesuther@ac.dal.ca
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:16:56 EDT
From:         R James Tobin <RJT@gml.lib.uwm.edu>
Subject:      Re: Chaos on shelves?

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> ... she told me that it made no difference
> since we now use OPACs to instantly retrieve records
> and determine locations.

If this were so, we could abolish classification and just use
accession numbers.  That would permit consolidating the shelves,
and facilitate stack maintenance, space planning and inventory
control.  Retrieving a number of books would give a person a lot
of exercise also.

All these advantages notwithstanding, until subject retrieval in OPACs
is vastly enhanced, we had better make browsing as convnient and
effective as possible through good and careful classification.


Jim Tobin
Golda Meir Library
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
P.O. Box 604
Milwaukee, WI  53201
414-229-4659
RJT@GML.LIB.UWM.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:03:58 EDT
From:         ACADMARG@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: searching in the chaos

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There are really a couple of things at work here regarding the chaosm
in the stacks problem.  The problem with scattering of literature is
always going to be a problem because books may have a subject which
covers two or more areas but that book can only be shelved in one place.
The cataloger is always going to have to pick a call number and go with
it so that regardless of whether it is Dewey, LC, or something else,
there will always be scattering.

I'm not saying that some call number systems don't make it worse, they do.
However, I am saying that the arrangement of books that would be perfect
for one scholar would be totally wrong for another.  Browsing is nice and
I'd rather have subject arrangement than accession number but it is not
the final answer.

Assignment of subject headings is something that can be used to alleviate
this problem.  LC Subject Headings is now calling itself a thesaurus but
it is far from perfect.  A good thesaurus allows you to link narrower and
broader subject headings and related subject headings without missing
terms.  LC is not there yet.

Also, the practice of LC in assigning subject headings to books has been
to assign the one heading that covers the subject of the whole book.
However, many books as we know cover a number of subjects and many
headings would be helpful.  Good catalogers will try to cover these
but historically the practice has been to minimize the number of headings
added.

A nice addition to electronic catalogs would be the scanning of the
indexes and/or tables of contents of books as they are added to the
catalog.  I believe some places are already experimenting with this.
Having the indexes and contents of books available in the catalog would
be very helpful in finding slightly obscure or narrow subjects.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth on chaos in the stacks.  I think the
addition of more cataloging information (subject headings, keywords,
tables of contents, etc.) would go a long way to solving the problem.
I don't think that there will ever be a really good solution to scattering
of literature in the stacks since a book can only be shelved in one
place even though it may contain many subjects.

Margaret Sylvia
St. Mary's University Academic Library
San Antonio, TX
acadmarg@stmarytx.bitnet
acadmarg@vax.stmarytx.edu
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From:         Noralee <NSNMI@acad3.alaska.edu>
Subject:      automation program for MAC

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As librarian in a small, isolated school, with about 8,000 volumes, I'm
looking for information about library automation systems.  Our school
is very Macintosh oriented, so I'll be  looking at programs like
Alexandria and Library Works (by CASPR).  Would like to hear from
anyone who has had any experience with either of these programs or
any program for the MAC.  We have not entirely discounted using an
IBM program, but I would first like to see what's available for the
MAC. Would appreciate any comments.  Please send responses directly
to me.  Thanks in advance.
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Subject:      jnet v3.5 and VMS v5.5
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Hi there,

We're planning to have our VMS5.3-1 and the UCX 1.3a running on a MV3400
and a MicroVAX II to VMS5.5. It seems that, after going through the manuals,
everything should be ok. However, we have 2 3rd part software namely the
PMDF v4.0 and the Jnet v3.5 also running on the systems. The question is,
will the Jnet 3.5 works with the VMS5.5 and UCX2.0 ? I know that the Jnet
v3.6 is going to be released and is supposed working under UCX2.0, but the
problem is we don't want to upgrade all these software in one go.

Anybody has the similar setup? Any advise is much appreciated.

Please kindly send reply to my email account (a006700@cucsc.bitnet) as I've
not subscribed to this list.

Thanks in advance.
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From:         "Stephen L. Arnold" <ARNOLD@ARNOLD.COM>
Subject:      Re: jnet v3.5 and VMS v5.5
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> We're planning to have our VMS5.3-1 and the UCX 1.3a running on a MV3400
> and a MicroVAX II to VMS5.5. It seems that, after going through the manuals,
> everything should be ok. However, we have 2 3rd part software namely the
> PMDF v4.0 and the Jnet v3.5 also running on the systems. The question is,
> will the Jnet 3.5 works with the VMS5.5 and UCX2.0 ? I know that the Jnet
> v3.6 is going to be released and is supposed working under UCX2.0, but the
> problem is we don't want to upgrade all these software in one go.
>
> Anybody has the similar setup? Any advise is much appreciated.

Your situation is quite common.  Jnet V3.5 works well with VMS V5.5
through V5.5-2 and UCX V2.0.  You should probably upgrade to PMDF V4.1
at the earliest opportunity, since V4.2 is not far off, the performance
advantages of the V4.2 process symbiont can be substantial, and the
answer to most support questions will be "Upgrade to V4.2."

Regards,
"Steve"   Stephen L. Arnold, Ph.D., Principal, Arnold Consulting
Address   4138 Iroquois Drive, Madison, Wisconsin  53711-3701  U.S.A.
Telephone +1 (608) 238-7835             Pager     +1 (608) 277-4053
Internet   Arnold@Arnold.Com            BITNET     ARNOLD@WISCPSL
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From:         "Susan R. Hagan" <shagan@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: An inquiry

For anyone who might be interested, there is a group at Rutgers University
called the Journalistic Resources Institute.  They are currently working
with journalists in Poland and Czechoslovakia on journalism reform.

They may be a great source of information on those countries - not
just with regards to journalism - but many topics.  I will list their
address and phone number for those of you who wish to contact them.

As far as I know, they are not connected to the Internet yet.

Jerome Aumente
Director
Journalism Resources Institute
185 College Avenue
New Brunswick, NJ  08901
(908) 932-7369
(908) 932-7558
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