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From: jeffk@techbook.com (Jeff Kelso)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More actor roles
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:34:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul22.043416.14325
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix


	The actress who plays Keiko was also recently in a PBS movie
	about a Chinese girl who was sold into prositution by her
	father.  It was a pretty good movie although it was kind of a
	downer.  






-- 
"To know him, is to love him, is to know him."--Dr. Ira Graves
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From: drue@droopy.citi.umich.edu (Chris Tanis)
Subject: Ladies' Revenge  Rank 'em! 
Reply-To: drue@citi.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:49:01 GMT

The top 5 men (in my opinion) from Startrek are:

1.  Mr. Data
2.  Mr. Spock (all of him, Movies, TNG, TOS...in that order)
3.  Worf
4.  Sulu (movies)
5.  Riker (Kirk came in 6th, I like Riker's smirk)



Chris Tanis
drue@ifs.umich.edu 

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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: Re: Klinon Who CARES!!
Summary: Boy am I getting tired of this thread 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:45:58 GMT

-->
Not to drag out this thread but...isn't Kronos a Klingon MOON and not a planet?
-->


Yes! Yes! Yes!  It was the moon that blew up.                 




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From: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:42:15 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <BruE8K.9qF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:
>do any of the men out there think that jennifer hetrick is worthy? i mean, if 
>picard found her so....
>
>[that's vash to you and me]
>
> sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
>  "once i was the king of spain.......................now i eat humble pie. "
>                               -- moxy fruvous


I wouldn't turn her down, but I doubt I'd want to be in a long
term relationship with her.  I suppose Picard must have felt the
same way.
-- 
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From: gerlach@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (Scott Gerlach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Season 6 Transporter Accident
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:06:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Training & Support Services, Colorado State University

Just in case this is *still* a spoiler, I shall attempt a ^L


(Sure hope that worked)

How's this:

While transporting back to Starfleet HQ after returning from Khitomer,
Mr. Scott is caught up during transit in the temporal distortion wave
caused by the return of Picard and Company from their adventures in
the past (Time's Arrow II).  As they materialize in their present,
they find that they've taken a certain disoriented Scotsman along for
the ride.

Comments welcome, flames extinguished.
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'Copkiller.'  The proposed title is 'Don't Y'All Dis Me 'Cause Bubba's
Gonna Rip You a New Ass.'"
						--Dennis Miller
							(7/20/92)
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From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: WHO'S HOTTER???
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.222339.2528@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>In article <92203.164222SXT115@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXT115@psuvm writes:
>>    4. The Betazoid guy who was a negotiator for a wormhole... I think
>>       it was the episode called "Who Counsels the Counselor?"
>
>Wasn't that "Yesterday's Betazed"?
>
>-- 
>Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu

You're both wrong. It's "The Price".

The guy was half betazoid and half human. Or was it a quarter betazoid?

Anyway I'm positive about the title of the episode...

-- 
Sylvain Chamberland     |   "Trust is earned, not given away!"
University of Waterloo  |          - Worf, Star Trek The Next Generation
Waterloo, Ontario.      |
From: palmj@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: When was Stardate 0.0 ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:37:13 GMT

colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:



>They use big numbers in the shows, but when was the stardate zero?
>How do stardates work?  I mean how it it incremented?  I guess if
>I knew this, I could sorta work it backwards.

It is a rather silly system.  The latest stardate is something like 45xxx.
The "4" refers to the "Next Generation" tv series.  The "5" is the season
number, and the last three digits are arbitrarily incremented from show to
show.  (as well as the "point x..." after it).

So is there any real cosmic significance or time system based on a
scientific measurement? No.  It all started when Roddenberry was slaving
away to get the original series going.  Nobody had time back then to
work out *all* the little details.  The stardate just sounds neat, I guess.

Jyri Palm
palmj@rpi.edu
From: wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Thomas Schoene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Gravity on STVI and TNG
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:15:36 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <92204.011557NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu>,
Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: 
> You also have to take into account that the artificial field generators have
> a sightly more important job to do besides making objects fall down rather
> than float.  They have to shield from the effects of the acceleration and
> deceleration of the ship.  [gory thoughts deleted]
> The filed genreators would therefore have to be located in all of the decks,
> overheads and bulheads to compensate for acceleration in all directions.  All
> you would have to do is indicate which direction you wanted as down and set the
> G-force level.  The field generators would have to compensate continually for
> any change in acceleration or direction thereof.
That's one way to do it.  However, the Tech Manual suggests that the gravity
generators, which are located in the decks, play only a minimal role in
countering acceleration (they equalize field strength through a set of gravity
field conduits  or something simalarly pseudo-scientific)  The main counter to
acceleration comes from the Inertial  Damper Field which applies a countervorce
to each particle in the ship.  (The monentary system lag required to
recognize and compensate for unexpected accelerations explains why the crew are
occasionally tossed around.)   The IDF used graviton sources but seems to be
seperate from the standard gravity source.  (At least they are described
seperately)

-- 
Tom Schoene
wwo@cornella.cit.cornell.edu  -or- wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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From: jyrtsi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyri-Pekka J{rvinen)
Subject: Re: Warp_equation_question
Summary: Warp equations offered
Reply-To: jyrtsi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyri-Pekka J{rvinen)
Organization: Syndicate Inc. tng - Assistants of Aeronautical Engineering
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.060903.3633@ultb.isc.rit.edu> bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck ) writes:
>
>I wish they had given us the exact formula, instead of the tidbit that
>it's w^f(w), with f(w) approximately 10/3 for 1<= w <=9, and infinite
>for w=10.  They apparantly have it, since they used a spreadsheet to
>compute the warp speeds...
>

Because Dr. Leah Brahms was unavailable (even if she appeared at our
Channel 3 just a couple of weeks ago) I had to consult my PC in order
to make up suggestions for TNG's famous warp equations.

So, here is the mother of all fits to warp numbers (w) 1..9:
(inspired by the approximation w^3.33)

speed1(w) = 7.145539494 - 17.81996236 * w^1.11 + 17.2470027 * w^2.22
            - 7.71149274 * w^3.33 + 2.53174218 * w^4.44
            - 0.43358354 * w^5.55 + 0.042975155 * w^6.66
            - 0.00227031157 * w^7.77 + 0.000049337387 * w^8.88

Note: speed1 is not valid when w < 1.

The fit fo warp numbers 9..9.99 looks much nicer:

speed2(w) = 14.38846 + 140.41045 / (10 - w) + 92.3469 * w
            - 0.007816343 / (10 - w)^3 + 0.3521427 * w^3.33

Note: speed2 is not valid when w > 9.990.

I assume that the official spreadsheet formulas are simpler, but these
monstrosities should do.

The both fits should fit quite well in with the warp/speed values
taken from FAQL - part 3: TNG warp.

If you think that the coefficients look terrible, you should have seen
the original versions: the ones shown here have 63 and 44 decimals
less, respectively. :-)

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From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Momentum and Warp Drives
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:38:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <mcline.0v4a@terapin.com>, mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline) says:
>
>        In the TNG technical manual ther's a lot of technobabble about how the
>warp drive works and how every one is prevented from becoming pancakes when a
>ship leaps to warp speeds, but there's nothing that "explains" how the warp
>drive violates the conservation of momentum (since no propellant is being
>expelled from the warp naccels (sp?).)  Is there another source that has some
>technobabble bout this, or am I just missing something in the technical
>manual?
>
>Matthew Cline

You're not missing anything.  The Warp Drive(tm), like most science fiction
FTL systems, is a non-Newtonian motion generator (as opposed to a "propulsion"
system).  It explicitly violates conservation of momentum (i.e. action-
reaction), in the case of Warp Drive(tm) my modifying the spacetime continuum
such that the ship "naturally" begins to move.

Is that enough technobabble for you?  :-)
                                                   -- Mike Kelsey
[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Momentum and Warp Drives
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:14:19 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA



I had thought that the Warp drive just altered spacetime for FTL
travel, and that the impulse engines (your basic thrust rockets)
propelled the ship in the space warp.

My techno history of warp drive may be rusty. But I thought the Warp
drive for the TOS ship provided both warp feild generation and thrust.
When the upgrade occurred in TMP the system was separated to be more
efficient. The warp drive just provides the warp field generation. The
field generation was improved using the newer linear intermix system.
Then the impulse engines were used primarily to provide the thrust
while in and/or out of the space warp.

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Spock: biologically illogical
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:58:31 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Jul30.200143.1641@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>Spock, the hybrid offspring of a Vulcan and a Human, is biologically
>impossible.  

Well, Duh!


;-)




-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Momentum and Warp Drives
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:19:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <92205.133815KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
>In article <mcline.0v4a@terapin.com>, mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline) says:
>>
>>        In the TNG technical manual ther's a lot of technobabble about how the
>>warp drive works and how every one is prevented from becoming pancakes when a
>>ship leaps to warp speeds, but there's nothing that "explains" how the warp
>>drive violates the conservation of momentum (since no propellant is being
>>expelled from the warp naccels (sp?).)  Is there another source that has some
>>technobabble bout this, or am I just missing something in the technical
>>manual?
>>
>>Matthew Cline
>
>You're not missing anything.  The Warp Drive(tm), like most science fiction
>FTL systems, is a non-Newtonian motion generator (as opposed to a "propulsion"
>system).  It explicitly violates conservation of momentum (i.e. action-
>reaction), in the case of Warp Drive(tm) my modifying the spacetime continuum
>such that the ship "naturally" begins to move.
>
>Is that enough technobabble for you?  :-)
>                                                   -- Mike Kelsey

Actually, I think you are missing a lot of good technobabble:
Assume for a moment that if an object has a certain momentum, then an outside
observer sees the space-time around that object altered in some way to
reflect that momentum. Now, consider a warp field that changes space time
so that it looks like an object which has momentum to the right (for example).
If such a warp field could simply appear out of no where, then an outside
observer would see a stationary warp field come into existence which looks
like momentum to the right appearing out of no where.  BUT, this is not the
case. There is a ship using energy to create that "momentum to the right" 
warp field. So for the outside observer to see a conservation of momentum,
the ship must move to the LEFT.
In short, the warp field's effect on space time could be used to explain
conservation of momentum considerations (in a trek-tech sort of way).

Well, thats my technobabble for the day.

-Jay
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Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:41:59 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <Bs63rz.7nF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>  writes:
> Why are the klingons in the films and TNG different from the kilngons
> in TOS?
> 
> One explanation (with no basis, save plausibility) is that the klingons  
were
> paranoid of genetically tailored bio-weapons, so they gen-engineered a
> seperate species to combat the Federation.  In the films, the only  
"true"
> klingons we see in federation space are renegade opportunists, or, in
> ST V & VI, diplomats.  


##Lightning Rod UP##

A longshot:  of course, it could always be that Klingons in the early 70s  
didn't have very good makeup and costuming.

Naaah...  :)

##Lightning Rod DOWN##

--

Sean Luke
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NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:15:57 EDT
From: Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Gravity on STVI and TNG
 <1992Jul17.132748.14893@aston.ac.uk>

You also have to take into account that the artificial field generators have
a sightly more important job to do besides making objects fall down rather than
float.  They have to shield from the effects of the acceleration and decelera-
tion of the ship.  Gee... wouldn't it really be terrible if the field generator
in the Krusher quarters went out just as Picard said, "Engage" and poor Wesly
got pulverized into a puddle against a bulkhead when he was a small child?


Sorry, back to Tech...

The filed genreators would therefore have to be located in all of the decks,
overheads and bulheads to compensate for acceleration in all directions.  All
you would have to do is indicate which direction you wanted as down and set the
G-force level.  The field generators would have to compensate continually for
any change in acceleration or direction thereof.


--Nick
From: jad@beta.lanl.gov (John De Vries)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Continuity Errors... (was: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Jul30.155325.2903
Organization: Lost Almost Feed'n'Seed



What really bothered me about the movie the first time I saw it (and
have indeed confirmed this week when I rented the flick) was a glaring
error in continuity.  Capt. Sulu comments about how they've been on a
mission dealing with "gaseous anomalies."  Then, near the end of the
flick, I believe it is Uhuru ON THE ENTERPRISE, NOT ON SULU'S SHIP
wondering why they can't use their gaseous anomaly equipment to make a
photon torpedo ever so much more useful (trying not to spoil things
for people here...)

Wrong ship, eh?



John deVries
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:31:49 -0400 
From: Harith Jameel Alkhafiz <ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ST vs. Quark

Good Lord!  There's quite a bit of Quark information coming up here.  Is it,
on videotape or something?  Maybe NBC needs to hear about this...

BTW, where should the followups to this be going?  Or maybe we should just use
email.

###
@ @
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Jameel
Physicist-At-Large
From: SysOp@zog.UUCP (Zog the Monster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Summary: McCoy's knowledge of Klingon anatomy
Keywords: McCoy, Klingons
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:07:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Zog's Cavern BBS and the OS9 Underground - StG Net International


In a previous message, "archive@arb.uucp" writes:
>   One point that has disturbed me tho is McCoy's apparent lack of
> knowledge of Klingon anatomy.It is implied (pardon me if my memory is 
> faulty here,I have only seen STVI twice,neither time on home video)
> that one of the reasons for his inability to treat Gowron (sp?) is 
> that,in addition to the massive nature of the injuries,he has limited
> skill when it comes to Klingon anatomy.But this is the same surgeon
> who on at least one occasion had between 50-100 Klingons on board the 
> Enterprise (Classic Trek,the episode name escapes me,it is where the 
> "emotion vampire" traps Kang and his crew aboard the Enterprise and
> stimulates the crews to battle so as to feed itself).The implication
> that he provided medical treatment for these "guests" is there,so how 
> could Starfleets most experianced flight surgeon forget this type of 
> data?

I don't beleive McCoy actually operated on the Klingons aboard in that TOS
episode (I forget the name too, Michael Ansara played the Klingon Klang). 
The Klingons had control of the engineering section, while the E-Crew had the
saucer section.  More than likely Klingon medics (if there is such a thing)
took care of their own.

So when Doc claims he has little knowledge of Klingon anatomy, he's probably
right.

>   Age itself should not be a legitimate reason.Dr Albert Schwitzer
> continued to practice in the jungle into his 80's (anyone have a 
> precise age?) and this was in the "dark ages" of geriatric medicine
> compared to the Star Trek era.
> Also,in the Classic Trek episode "The Deadly Years",his memory and 
> activity level are shown to be quite good,despite the effects of 
> "Hyperaging".The same level of mental acuity is shown in his brief
> appearance in the ST:TNG episode "Encounter at Farpoint".If his mind
> is as sharp as shown in that episode,at the age of "One hundred thirty 
> seven years...according to Starfleet records."(Quoted from David 
> Gerrolds novelization),then WHY,when he is only 70
> (approximatly) at the time of STVI,does his memory fail him?

-Zog (Alan Sheltra)
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From: jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.142401.20920@cci632.cci.com> pjb@cci632.cci.com (Phil Busardo) writes:
>>In article <archive.01v2@arb.uucp> archive@arb.uucp (CARL  L  SAGE)
>>writes:
>>
>>>     One point that has disturbed me tho is McCoy's apparent lack of
>>>   knowledge of Klingon anatomy.It is implied (pardon me if my memory is 
>>>   faulty here,I have only seen STVI twice,neither time on home video)

	some stuff deleted.
>>
>
>What about Trouble With Tribbles?  Towards the end of the episode McCoy
>uses his scanner on the Klingon spy.  He mentions something about his
>blood pressure and heart beat and instantly comes up with the conclusion 
>that the man was a Klingon.  He must have known something of their
>anatomy.
> 
	I might be able to get the pulse of a horse, and perhaps a rough
estimation of it's blood preasure just by touching it, but that doesn't
mean I know enough to perform surgery on it.  Dr McCoy's scan was rather
brief, so I dought he got too much anatomical info from it.

Jess Stuart
CSUC Chico CA

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Real Power Question
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:00:42 GMT

foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (TheFoxx "AJ") writes:

>Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|> mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) 
>|  says:
>|> >
>|> >        Lets not forget Battle Star Gallactica, and all its technology
>|> >        Could the Cylons be the badest asses..........................
>|> >        Could the Gallactic have superior powers over ST or SW........
>|> >                        Let the debat begin..................
>|> >
>|> Yeah... but what about the crew from the ship in the movie _DarkStar_ ?  I
>|> really think that thwy would have everyone beat hands down!  :-)
>NoNoNo!  Troi would easily outclass them with her ability to 
>cousel maladjusted bombs.  "I sense you feel a need to explode.  
>Can we explore this?"  :-)

How about the Spaceballs?  Could they just suck the big E right out of the
universe?
"Suck Suck Suck!"
Or would the Big E get blown away?
"It's Megamaid.  She's gone from suck to blow!"
What a way to go ... :-)

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