HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Another biblical brilliance from Teddy
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
|> Kelley Miller) writes:
|> 
|> > Not condoned?!?  The bible cites this scumball as a "rightous" person!
|> > If the bible can call a man who was willing to give up his virgin
|> > daughters to a mob, and then take them himself, "rightous", and then
|> > not condemn the action, it is CERTIANLY condoning it.
|> 
|> Ye do err, not knowing the word of God.

I assume you are using the word "knowing" in the biblical sense.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: BRAVE BILL's excellent (commie) Vacation-from-Viet-Nam...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:37:00 GMT

Was Brave-Bill a closet commie sympathizer when he took his "trip"
to Oxford and beyond?

Who were his fellow-travellers, or did he take a few weeks in
Russia and Eastern Europe all-on-his-own? In the dead of winter?!

Are there chums or comrades from that time who can tell us
how he spent those frigid blizzard cold nights? And just what were 
the weather reports during his jaunt behind the curtain? And who 
else was out on the cold with him? ....Have they come in? 

Was he so worn out from organizing Viet Nam protests at Oxford
that he just had to get away for awhile?

And did Brave-Bill think about how this would reflect on his
future political career? Was a little behind-the-scenes help
worth the risk? Or was ideology the real reason?

While exploring Eastern Europe and Moscow did Brave-Bill think
about his peers and countrymen back in Viet Nam fighting and
dying? Did he shed a tear for others locked in POW camps or
Missing-In-Action while he walked through the frozen snows to
cross the barbed-wire and patrolled borders which locked so
many behind the Iron Curtain? How was he able to "scale The Wall?"

What were his thoughts about the experience? Did he write 
letters and school papers, and did he talk with others about
what he saw during that time? And will Brave-Bill share some
of it with us now?

Did he visit any state sponsored "educational" institutions?

How has Brave-Bill gotten along with Red-Ron Dellums over
the years?

Would Brave-Bill be as strong an advocate for Gorby and company
in a re-bid for Russian-Rule, as Chicken-George has been in 
supporting Red-China??

And can Chicken-Georges's golf games top Brave-Bill's scenic soviet
tour? 

..... and so on and so on and so on, 

until Brave-Bill tells us all about his excellent adventures
while others fought in a war he took a vacation from.


-- Stephen Tice    

"Need to rest your voice Brave-Bill? Try a shot of Johnny Walker Red."
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Chicken George the Coward President
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:37:19 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:

}I agree and I do.  Any American who is not aware that the CIA is
}prohibited from conducting operations inside the US is grossly ignorant.

And anyone who believes that this "prohibition" actually stops them 
from operating inside the US is grossly stupid.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: KKKaldis Alert
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:11:07 GMT

>: In article <Oct.2.08.10.09.1992.28715@romulus.rutgers.edu>
>: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>: 
>: [ Story of Sodom and Gomorrah deleted... It's in Gen 18 and 19 ]
>: 
>: >_THIS_ is what God thinks of homosexuality.  Let's get it right, why
>: >don't we?
>: 

I did find it interesting that, after they fled the destruction, Lot had
sex with both his daughters, and they became pregnant by him.  The
offspring became the leaders of two great peoples.

Tell, me Mr. Kaldis, is that the Biblical attitude on incest?  (Note:  the 
question is not rhetorical.  I have heard men charged with incest explain and 
defend it on the grounds of that story.)

There's a lot of weird **** in the Bible.  Like the part that says that a
woman raped within the city should be stoned to death, but one raped in the
country-side should just be compelled to marry her attacker after he pays
off her dad; or the story where the bad folks came to a house one night and
the man they wanted to rape gave the crowd his concubine instead and then
cut her into pieces and sent the parts to different houses when he got her
back the next day.

But I can't get into all that now, I am still trying to get over the fact
that the only 2 abominations in Lev. are men lieing with men and "women
wearing men's clothing."  (I was wearing jeans at the time I read that...)


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: bwillems@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Balam Willemsen)
Subject: Re: Quayle's a liar!
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:05:48 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.141033.4848@desire.wright.edu> you write:
>In article <1992Oct15.130707.19484@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, bwillems@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Balam Willemsen) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct14.205446.4810@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>>In article <farenebt.719071511@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:
>>>> In the debate, Quayle made reference to something in Al Gore's
>>>> book _Earth in the balance_. Quayle made reference to a proposal
>>>> on a specific page. CNN reported that there was nothing on that
>>>> page about whatever Quayle was refering to. 
>>>
>>>	CNN isn't really correct either.  The page is 403.  What Quayle
>>>referred to is the "environmental marshall plan" that Gore proposes.  Since
>>>Gore doesn't say how much it would cost, the Reps used today's cost of the
>>>actual Marshal Plan: 200 Billion.
>> 
>> BUZZ! Sorry wrong answer!
>> 
>> p. 304 (Quayle's page only talks about the "old Marshall plan", and the
>> spending that would be equivalent to that expenditure today.)
>> 
>> p. 403 (Your page is in the INDEX and the words Marshall Plan are
>> nowhere to be seen, if you're looking for the index entry for it, it's
>> on p. 402!)
>> 
>> And they talk about trust... 
>> Can the American people trust GB/DQ any more than they can BC/AG? 
>> 
>> Balam
>> Now definitely for Clinton/Gore '92
>
>More evidence that Clinton/Gore fans have no real evidence to stand on. 
>Typos influence your vote?

No, if I believed that was a typo I would have ignored it, just as I
ignore many of Quayle's spoken typos. You seemed to indicate that DQ/CNN
had the page wrong, and that _you_ had the real story. (BTW, note that I
did not even mention that the inflation corrected cost of the Marshall
plan is quoted by Gore as 100B not 200B as you cited). You seemed to be
willfully misleading the reader, I am sorry if I misunderstood your intent.

Also, you misunderstood my last statement, it was not "Jeez! That's the
last straw! I have to vote for Clinton now" My statement was simply that
while I had been leaning towards Clinton, I was still open to Perot (and
weakly Marrou) at the time of my previous post on the first debate. Now,
after more deliberation, (and reading what I could of the Perot plan) I 
have made my choice in the presidential race, and feel comfortable
enough about it to state it in public.

> Amazing, truly amazing.

> When's the next flight out of here?

A simple News article can make you flee your country? Amazing indeed!
Sorry to see you go, I think we all contribute to the mosaic. 

Balam A. Willemsen
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:31:36 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <MATT.92Oct7115038@physics2.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
]In article <1992Oct7.022226.19164@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
]
]> He WAS in the SU in '70. He admitted it on TV last night.
]
]"Admitted"?!  It's an "admission" to say that you travelled during
]your Christmas vacation?  

Yes, admitted. He never brought it up until he was asked as a result
of Republican digging. This is the same guy who has been slippery about
the draft business, dishonest about the Jennifer Flowers business, and in
general lies a lot. All sorts of stuff about his anti-war stuff is now
coming out. I have no problems with him being against the war, but when
he (a) demonstrates against the US in a FOREIGN country, and, the same
year (b) travels to the capital of the main embassy while we are in a war,
I have real problems with his judgement.

[ Bush doesn't deserve to be elected. The american people don't deserve
  to have Clinton elected. ]
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Him NotFood? Biology Lesson?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:26:51 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
] In article <mlbruce.717999180@husc8> mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce) writes:
] >believe I heard once that brain waves and/or similar signs of life appear
] >within hours of conception.
] 
] Er, no.  Within hours of conception you're not even a little ball of cells 
] yet.
 
Al, you cut out the part about the biology lesson....

Don't Try this at Home Kids, these are PAID PROFESSIONALS.

] >favor of allowing abortion, it's disappointing to see someone resort to an
] >implausible one, that of denying the salient differences between a fertilized
] >egg and a seperate egg and sperm.
] 
] It can be argued that the egss and sperms are as much individual humans
] as we are.  Ever heard of jellyfish?


that which has the Potential to Become a Thing,
is Obviously just such a Thing....


Remember Kiddies:

"Ectopic Pregnancies are Persons Too."

ciao
drieux

ps: I will defer to big Al to resolve if
matthew here is, or is not NotFood.


ObPresComment: now which party has the 
antiabortion platform....


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: What happens when USA goes bust?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:30:51 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <4P68RB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
|> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|> 
|> >   The point is that a significant chunk of our ~ $5 trillion national
|> >   economy is borrowed money -- the economy is, in effect, artificially 
|> >   big and we now need to get back to reality.  I don't see any good way
|> >   to do this without precipitating one of the problems suggested
|> >   earlier: depression, high inflation, breakdown of social order, or
|> >   a totalitarian government -- and maybe ALL of these.
|> > 
|> We've lost that many jobs during the Reagan/Bush disaster without
|> benefitting from any spending cuts/tax increases.  We don't
|> have an "artificially high" debt, we have an artificially low
|> tax rate.  

How do you figure?  Federal tax revenues (including FICA) are roughly
the same percentage of GNP that they have been for 20-30 years.

|> We're borrowing money to pay for a lifestyle with no
|> intention to repay that money.  Federal policy is to pay the
|> interest only on this debt.  We have never attempted to reduce
|> the principle of the loans, we simple roll them over into new
|> loans.  Loans are fine, but they become ridiculous when you never
|> pay off the principle and simply continue to throw interest at them.

Why?  If people are willing to loan money to the government on a
voluntary basis, what is the problem?  Crowding out hasn't seemed to
occur.  And why is taking money from people by force (taxation)
better than taking money from people voluntarily?  The deficit/debt
problem is overblown in my opinion.  Spending is the real problem.
We need to reduce the amount of money that we 'legally plunder' from
our taxpayers.  Lets return to a government which more closely
approximates the one defined by the Constitution.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: jvm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jack McClurg)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Anti-war = Anti-country?!
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:18:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In talk.politics.misc, jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

>    This reminds me of an anecdote -- I can't say it's true, but it's
> been widely reported -- about Richard Nixon's early political career.
> Supposedly Nixon suggested that rumors be spread to the effect that his
> opponent enjoyed having sex with pigs.  When his aides objected that no
> one would believe such a story, Nixon replied, "I know -- but let's make
> the bastard deny it!"   

It was actually LBJ who did this.  Strange how you misremembered it.

Jack McClurg
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: The 'Missing' Pages
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:57:49 GMT

eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>Imagine how stupid the Bush campaign looks as the FBI announces that there
>was no alteration of the Clinton file--there were no pages missing.  There
>were only staple holes showing something that had once been attached was
>removed.  The FBI found that the "something" was the check for the passport
>fee, the manditory copy of Clinton's birth certificate, and the extra
>passport photo.

Reading the NYT article closely, it is not clear who exactly is offering
this "staple hole" explanation. The Times says that the FBI issued only
a "terse statement" that "there is no evidence that tampering occurred."

"Several officials," however, gave the Times the explanation concerning
staple holes. Were these officials from the FBI, or some other agency?
And is this explanation given "officially" by anyone on the record?

Wager: the tampering story was made out of whole cloth by Tail-gunner George,
and the staple hole story is in the category of plausible deniability.

---
Joe Knapp
"Just what is it about the Pledge of Allegiance that bothers Mike Dukakis?"
							Jim Baker, 1988
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From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Boxer, Hersch, Genis
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:07:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

I attended a debate between Boxer and Hersch today. June Genis was not there.

I have watched the Presidential and VP debates. I enjoyed having Perot
and his VP there. It made them more interesting. 

It seems to me that it would have been interesting to have had June at the
debate today. I am not sure what effect it would have had. But it sure would
have changed things.

Richard Foy  Redondo Beach, CA         Standard Disclaimer
From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Transcript of Sunday's Presidential Debate
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:21:42
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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In-reply-to: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu's message of Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.194409.27596@utagraph.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:

> Except that Perot is showing that the fact of Party Politics is that
> they can be bought, and that's been his point all along. 

To the extent that politics can be bought, all that means is the
people or groups with a lot of money have a disproportionate political
influence.  

Perot, who gets as much attention as he does merely because he is
rich, is not a solution to this problem; he is an example of it.
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
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From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Women as inventors
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:33:45 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Oct11.195707.18587@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>>
>>The telphone. The light bulb. The automobile.
>>
>>Quick. Name the inventors. Of course you can.
>
>Really?  Who invented the automobile?  Aren't there several who can lay a
>valid claim to this?

I would first say- I am not sure- for my lifetime Columbus was the
finder of the 'New World', now there all kinds of doubts involved.

Who invented the above items- we take it on faith that what we are
told is true- it is possible to concieve the following scenario-
A woman who knew or was associated with the so-called inventor
might have mentioned or give ideas that results in the invention.
Not far fetched- and considering this in the light of a 100+
years ago, when this was a male dominated (was?) society, that
any idea or invention of a woman would be taken by a male.

Think about that and its plausibilty.

>
>>How about flat-bottomed paper bags, bullet-proof vests and
>>Scotchgard? The dishwasher, the fire escape, AZT?
>>
>>Of course you can't.
>>
>>Why? Because these inventors are women, says historian Anne
>>Macdonald. That's why they're hard to find in history books.
>>Or in any books.
>
>Anne Macdonald is full of shit.  If Thomas Edison had invented flat-bottomed
>paper bags, almost no one would know that offhand.  The first set of inventions
>named above are much more important in everyday life than the ones mentioned
>in the second set.
>

So fire escapes and bullet proof jackets and AZT are not as important
as the phone, car, etc. this is a value judgement based upon what you
find as important to your life and existence.  I don't think the poster
made any comparasions on the basis of importance.

>Try to imagine a world without telephones or light bulbs or automobiles, and
>you will have a world quite different from today's world.  Now do the same
>for flat-bottomed paper bags and the others.  There's no comparison.
>
>--Tim Smith

Believe Me I have- and sometimes I think God wouldn't it be great not
to have noisy cars, telephones ringing, or all of those light bulbs
ruining my night darkness so that I can use my telescope and learn
for myself some new things.

The problem- a world waking up to the fact that many people have
been put under the visions of others.  many want to think and see
on their own, see and be in the world in the way they feel they
should.  Inventors and discovers have been created and destroyed
according to the times they lived in and who had the power.

Galileo invented the telescope-  wrong! and if you did believe that
then you have a lot of catching up to do.
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:33:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>Could someone with biology background figure out how long it
>would take a trait to disappear if it precluded reproduction?

See Dawkin's "The Selfish Gene."  The answer is not what most people
would think offhand.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Anti-war = Anti-country?!
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:54:22 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct8.184153.8840@nntpserver.chevron.com> jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes:
]I think one of the stupidest statements anyone can make is
]"My country right or wrong."  
]
]If my country isn't right, I should be doing everything in my power to
]make it right.  If Bush wants to run this country into the ground, it's
]my duty as an American citizen to stop him, (in legal ways, of course).
]Get off this idea that Republican presidents can never be wrong.  Didn't
]Nixon teach you anything?

Did anyone here on the net say either "My country right or wrong" or that
Republican presidents can never be wrong?
]
]This is my last post here.  (I'm unsubscribing, so no need to add me to
]your kill files).  There are too many loonies on this group.  After
]reading so many posts that believe in this McCarthyistic attack on
]Clinton, I'm just going to leave these people to their own little world,
]where they can believe that America can do no wrong, Bush has a great
]domestic policy, and that Santa is due in 7 more weeks.

Perhaps you should stick around. Your critical reading skills are seriously
deficient if you jump to the conclusions you post.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
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From: jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:53:48 GMT
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In article <60933@mimsy.umd.edu>, Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss! writes:

>      No one I _want_ to win is running! B-<

So?  Write someone in then.  The object is to send the message that we're
not happy.  Admittedly it won't change it this year, but the message
will get through.

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