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From: nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:36:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65137
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr8.192920.10002@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (christian E!) writes:
>
>I'm considering buying a dedicated drum module (no onboard sequencer needed),
>and have looked at the Alesis D4.  It has a lot of features I like, especially
>the trigger inputs...and the price.  The sounds will be useful for my
>applications.  But I've seen ads for the Emu ProCussion module.  I haven't had
>a chance to look at the ProCussion, since nobody carries it in my area, and I
>was wondering if anybody has experience with it.  I don't want to make a 
>decision for the D4 unless I'm convinced the ProCussion has nothing better to
>offer.  Or maybe there's something better than both of these units?
>I'm clueless about the capabilities of the ProCussion.  I haven't used any of
>the other Proteus modules, either, so I'm in unfamiliar territory.  Could
>somebody help me out with some recommendations?

I have only played with a Procussion in a store and I was impressed
with the sounds. Basically you have something like 500 built in
sounds that can be grouped into 128 different drum kits. i think (but
don't quote me) that you can have multiple drum sets using different
midi channels (multitimbrel drum box?) And it is around $1000. For
1/3 the price (got mine for $299) the D4 has something like 500 sounds
that can be grouped into 16 drum kits, only one usable at a time. There
is limited editing of the sounds (pitch, volume, and pan) and I think
the Procussion has much more extensive editing. Emu quality is quite
good - i have a Proteus 1 and am getting a Proteus 3 soon. So I would
recommend getting the D4 and using the extra $700 for some other toys...

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From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:19:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cdsmn.1992Apr15.041933.14067
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.

In article <JHZ8iB6w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy) writes:
>Everybody that wants a WAVE, raise your hand.       w
>                                                    |
>                                                   /
> 
>           :)
> 
>Five
>
>;--- (skinny puppy) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
>;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
>;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8

Five,  no wonder your so into modular synths and Industrial type music:
The secret is out... You only have 2 fingers!  

DISCLAIMER:  No offense intended to people with only two fingers
DISCLAIMER:  No offense intended to players of industrial music
DISCLAIMER:  No offense to people who lay on their side and smile alot.
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
Doug                                  See, i've been paying attention
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Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:8079 rec.music.makers:5693
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: FOR SALE:  4-track, drum machine (Microwave SOLD)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:00:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr15.230032.1482
Distribution: na
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

The Microwave has been sold.  Still for sale:

	Yamaha MT2X four-track cassette:		$375
		* 6 input channels (2 mic)
		* gain, pan, high/low eq, aux send per channel
		* selectable 1 7/8 or 3 3/4 ips tape speed
		* dbx noise reduction
		* remote punch in/out
		* freq. response 40 Hz - 18 kHz (at 3 3/4 ips)

	Korg DDD1 drum machine:				$250
		* 14 velocity sensitive pads
		* adjustable volume, tuning, decay per *note*
		* 6 outputs plus stereo pair (total of 8 outputs)
		* 4 ROM card slots, 1 RAM card slot
		* 100 patterns (4400 notes), 10 songs
		* 18 internal 12-bit PCM sounds, plus several more on Latin 2
		  ROM card (included)
		* 12 note polyphony
		* accepts a user sampling card if you can find one

Both items used only at home and in excellent condition.  More info available
on request.  Send e-mail if interested.

                                - Neil

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att!edsel!nsw or nsw@garage.att.com   \X/    the greatest thing since?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Mac (Performer, esp) Copy Protection Defeat Information
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:45:49 GMT

In article <9204171758.AA09504@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
[ ... ]
>Not to digress, but the main
>reason to look forward to Windows/PC applications is that nobody in their
>right minds would ever try to market a copy protected software product to
>the PC marketplace.

Would that it were so (good sentence, eh?)  Much of the engineering software
we use here at work is dongle protected (a.k.a. hardware keys).  Blech.
Maybe things are better at the consumer level. (?)

                                   - Neil

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Neil Weinstock @ AT&T Bell Labs        //     What was sliced bread
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello)
Subject: Gear Lust
Summary: Going cold turkey
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:10:18 GMT


    > jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
  
    > Gear Lust (TM) is an awful thing. It makes your life BAD. You can't make
    > any music since you are already planning on the next synth you don't
    > HAVE yet.

    >        [much deleted about lusting for a K2000]

   I have been thinking about this lately.  It seems like I've lost my
   lust for new gear.  I have a small but fairly complete home setup,
   and I seem to have arrived at the point where I don't even want to
   look at anything new.  I feel like I've barely scratched the surface
   of what I have (and my gear is 1 to 4 years old).

   The more I got hooked on drooling over the lastest stuff, the less I
   focused on the music.  I'm tired of it.  I don't want to open another
   new manual and scratch my head for a couple hours. I really have this
   desire to freeze everything and just do the music.  (My next project
   will be my entry for the Usenet tape, assuming someone's going to
   produce one).

   I suppose this is heresay in this group, but enough is enough!  I'm 
   making a stand against gear lust.  I really mean it!

   (Well, I wouldn't mind a faster computer, and a MIDI patchbay would
    make life easier, and I'd dearly love to have more than four tracks
    to play with, and ......  AARRRGGHHH!!)

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.133056.6797@icd.ab.com> jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker) writes:

>Engineers make lots of money (Present
>company excluded of course). They usually have lots of toys. This does
>not mean that they can make better music necessarily.

I suspect a slight inverse correlation.  It's all too easy to get caught
up in the attitude that an ever-growing pile of gear can be a substitute
for knowing what you're doing musically, e.g. "Yeah, I know, the song 
sucks, but if I could *just*  play it on a *K2000* I'd be a star!"  If
you spend enough time buying equipment and learning to use it at the
expense of rotten, boring, monotonous practicing, your music *will*
suffer.

> The best music comes from the soul, not the pocketbook.

...and from having a good knowledge of common practice in your chosen
medium, something many people seem unwilling to make the effort to acquire. 

>Another friend of mine does really
>"breathy" WAV format instrumentals. When I listen to them, I often
>wonder when the melody is going to start. Technically, it's great.
>Great sounds, good programming, etc; but to me it has no feeling. 

A friend of my wife's does the same thing.  He even got The WAVE to 
sponsor a  "live" "concert" in which he occasionally played 
a few pads over otherwise-sequenced sonic wallpaper.  Apparently,
near the end of the concert he got out front and played some air
guitar.  The local paper called it unintentionally hilarious.

>I am going to get flamed up the wazoo for this, but I think that too
>many people waste alot of time programming their synths and worrying
>about the latest and greatest equipment (including me from time to 
>time) when they should be concentrating on learning about the music.

I always amuses me when people get really anal-retentive about programming
the Perfect Patch, which they then use to play triads in root position.

>-Jaz (Fire-proof suit ready)

Brian Good
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Sun, 5 Apr 1992 23:27:05 CST
From:         Rod Lemcke <WEBERLOI@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Simmons SDS8 for sale CHEAP

I've got a Simmons SDS8 electronic drum synth for sale real cheap.  I bought it
 and only used the pads.  This unit has NEVER been used. I've had it for about
4 years or better.  I'm only asking $50.00 US or Can money.  If you are serious
 about it, please call me at (306)-789-0961 anytime.
                                                    Thanks...
                                                              Rod L.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:43:17 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: JV-80
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu

>From: Mike Salisbury <salisbur@EDU.WASHINGTON.CS>
>Subject: JV-80
>
>I've been looking to buy a new keyboard in the under $2000 range for a
>while now.  I'd like to get the best sounding synth possible without
>sacrificing some obvious feature (say, velocity sensing.)
>
>>From what I've been able to personally hear, I have left the Roland
>JV-80 on my list of possibilities, yet all I hear in this group is
>how bad it sounds, and how nobody could imagine anybody owning one.
>
>Is there really anything inherently bad about the JV-80?  Is there a
>better, cheaper synth I should look into?  I'm also impressed with the
>expandability features of the JV-80.  Are these not valuable as well?
>

I don't know if you included my rantings about it in with your "all I hear
on this group...", but I personally only meant to criticise the presets
(which I still consider to be boring)(**). This is only really important if
you aren't going to be programming your own sounds. If you are looking for
a bread and butter synth then IMHO the JV-80 is good value for money.
Nothing inherently bad that I noticed (*). Nothing inherently exciting either
but I suppose not every synth has to be a groundbreaker.

(**) as Nick Rothwell pointed out, this doesn't mean much.

(*) in ~40 minutes with the manual.

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gfd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (george.demarest)
Subject: Re: RDAT Pro vs RDAT consumer vs. SVHS
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:19:30 GMT
Summary: DA-30 and Sound Tools

In article <0oeuiB3w164w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> 
> Get the DA-30... For the price (which looks like a used price to me), 
> it's the best... I mastered my CD, Damned Souls on a DA-30 with only one
> problem... The Clipping levels are off a bit... make sure you leave your
> self at least 1DB headroom and NOT 0 db... other then that, the DA-30 is
> an excellent machine.
> 
> I just bought a Panasonic SV-3700 over the DA-30 as I needed something 
> that I know is guaranteed to work with Sound Tools, and the DA-30 might 
> not work with the digital DAT backup software.

The DA-30 works fine with Sound Tools (ie DAT backup works fine) (although 
the clipping problem mentioned above is a little annoying).  Otherwise, I am 
very satisfied with the unit.  

> Go DA-30... for the price, you can't loose.

I'll agree.

gfd

> <X>orcist
> 
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From: cczdvh@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (David Valentine-Hagart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: M1 editor librarian for Atari ST ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:58:41 GMT
Organization: Cripps Confusing Centre, University of Nottingham
Originator: cczdvh@unicorn

Subject says it all really, if anyone has or knows of a "cheap & cheerful"
editor/libarian for the M1 in the public domain to run on an Atari ST
(1040) I would be *extremely* grateful. I need something to save & load
patches on disk so in fact the librarian bit is all I really need urgently,
though both would be nice :->. No bells & whistles, just something
simple that works. Mail me with any details or FTP sites..   & Thank you.
From: ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music (was Usenet Tape depression sets in)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:39:06 GMT
Organization: Minstrelsy & Lutherie

tmfm@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU writes:

> I think you're right, engineers do approach music algorithmically. It
> probably is because we are accustomed to work everything exactly, within
> precise rules and parameters, and here we are in this game of inspiration,
> of unbounded rules.
>
> I had so many problems with my band because I kept (and still keep)
> "planning" music carefully, approaching it like a mathematical problem
> (okay, this goes here, but... if I put this here, then that goes there,
> which means this part must be like this). The rest of my band created
> light, "free" songs, totally different from my approach.

I have done a fair amount of choral arranging (for the fun of it), and have
a great love for folk music.  I once went to hear a folk trio whose harmonies
have always entranced me.  Wanting to learn more about how to copy their
style in my own arrangements, I asked them who did their arranging.  The
answer was that they just came up with them "on the fly".


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Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or* uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed
        "Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis ADAT and BRC
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:20:31 GMT
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
In-reply-to: braithwa@remus.rutgers.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 04:36:30 GMT


My only disappointment with the ADAT is that it doesn't have MIDI
ports.  Given that it already has sync stuff in it, It seems silly to
have to burn a track to lay down a sync track to drive sequencers/
drum machines from.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:53:13 PDT
From:         more dark than shark <DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM>
Subject:      Re: MIDI merging
Comments: To: synth-l%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

I've found the Anatek to be reliable for sync and kbd. I'm now
using it for D4 midi out with occasional KBD stabs, and it
is holding up OK.

It's little MIDI status light is handy.

Do you know about it's 'big brother'? (it is about $7oo+, tho)

casey

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 07:50:48 EDT
From: <KPS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Korg Wavestation: for sale

I have decided to sell my Wavestation. I have been trying to come up with a
good price but I have had a tough time. When I first bought it, they were
going for over $2000 but I believe I have recently seen that prices for a
new one are around or under $1500. So the number I have chosen is $970. This
price includes a damper pedal and shipping. If anybody thinks I am screwing
myself or the buyer with this number, let me know. I never got a chance to
have the new ROM installed but I am told that it is not very expensive (I do
not have an authorized Korg dealer anywhere near my home). The Wavestation
is a wonderful keyboard but over the past year I have really not been able
to spend much time on it. It just sits there unused (and therfore, all of the
mechanicals are in excellent shape).

If you have any questions, feel free to inquire about it. Also, could anyone
who has sold over the net before please send me some advice on how to arrange
a transaction like this to ensure that either side will not get screwed.
Thanks.

Kevin S.
KPS at psuvm.psu.edu
From: mpd@unccvax.uncc.edu (Michael Parker Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: YAMAHA V50 chase lock to tape QUESTION!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:05:37 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

Have any V50 owners synced their V50's to tape.  I am considering doing it,
and wonder if I have realistic expectations.

I plan to get a Tascam 424/464 and a midiman syncman or (unknown mfr)PPS-2
smart fsk syncbox.

QUESTION 1
Can the V50 record on it's internal sequencer if you are chase locking to tape?
Will any sequencer allow recording while it is chase locking to a tape.

QUESTION 2
Is the above question a limitation for you guys?

QUESTION 3
Are there any other problems I should be aware of before I embark on virtual
tracking on a 4 track using a syncbox and a V50??

The net has been real helpful to me before, I hope I have helped someone back
with my commercial patch bank reviews.  I dread going into this blind.
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:31:44 GMT


> I am going to get flamed up the wazoo for this, but I think that too many
> people waste alot of time programming their synths and worrying about the
> latest and greatest equipment

before the flames start, I'll just throw in my support of the above statement.
I'm a musician first, a programmer second.  I spend a couple hours 4 or 5 times
a week practicing music -- transcribing solos, transposing them to different
keys, transcribing entire pieces, experimenting with different scales in
different contexts looking for something unique to say, practicing scales for
speed, practicing ballads for style, etc.  I don't have time to spend too much
time programming or lusting after more technology.

Oh, and by the way, I usually end up practicing on my acoustic piano (better
than even analog!  Sorry Metlay!! :-)

marc webster
From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Trepidkeit (was Re: Arsinio and Korg)
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:40:11 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se

.com> smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

   of our capitalist society.  We PAY for this stuff, and I don't particularly
   feel indebted to the manufacturers to run their ads for them.  I thought the

Hey ! For only a few dollars more, BMW will NOT put a model number
on your car (or is it even free ?) :-)

-- 
h+@nada.kth.se; Jon W{tte, the Diplomat - NOT!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: 4065C147@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: FOR SALE!
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:02:13 GMT

FOR SALE
- Kawai K-5 Digital Multidimentional Synthesizer Keyboard
2x Kawai V-20x Expression Pedals
2x Kawai F-1 Footswitches
Kawai DC-32 RAM Card
manual
$550
- Kawai K-5m Digital Multidimentional Synthesizer Module
Kawai DC-32 RAM card
manual
$500
- Dr. T Caged Artist Kawai K-5 Editor v1.0 for Atari ST
includes the following 3rd party patches:
- Kawai, 9 banks
- James Chandler, 9 banks (converted samples)
- Walt Whitney, 8 banks
- Turnkey Group, 1 bank (converted samples)
- Bananas At Large, 5 banks
- My organization of above into categorized banks, 30 banks
book - Kawai K-5: Making It Happen (Dan Walker)
$190
- C-Lab Notator MIDI Sequence & Score Edit/Printout Management System
v2.0, 2.1 for Atari ST (ask about v3.0)
C-Lab Director Universal MIDI-Routing for C-Lab Export & Unitor
C-Lab Unitor N SMPTE/EBU Synchronizer & MIDI Expander
C-Lab ExPort MIDI Expansion Interface
manuals
all for $600
- Atari 1040ST computer
Atari SC1224 color monitor
Atari mouse
USA language disk
manuals and Atari-related books
$500
- WordPerfect v4.1 for Atari ST
manual
$60
- seven Hotwires Power Lines MD20 20ft MIDI cables
$55
- Omni 2 tier keyboard stand
3 additional tiers by Knight Industries
carrying case, tool, instructions
$110
- CDs, $8 each for singles, $16 for doubles
Tangerine Dream: Electronic Meditation, Zeit (double), Green Desert,
Ricochet, Cyclone, Pergamon, Wavelength, Near Dark, 3 O'Clock High,
Optical Race, Miracle Mile, Lily on the Beach, Melrose
Edgar Froese: Aqua
Klaus Schulze: Cyborg (double), Timewind, Blackdance
Steve Hillage: Rainbow Dome Musick
- Records, $5 each for singles, $10 for doubles
Tangerine Dream: Sorcerer, Encore (double), Heartbreakers, Legend,
Tyger
Edgar Froese: Macula Transfer, Solo 1974-1979
Peter Bauman: Romance '76, TransHarmonic Nights
Johannes Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet
Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht, Picture Music, Cosmic Couriers - Galactic
Supermarket (rare:$30), Go - Live From Paris (double), Body Love,
Body Love vol 2, Mirage, Dune, Richard Wahnfried - Time Actor,
Live... (double), Trancefer, Richard Wahnfried - Tonwelle, Dig It,
Audentity (double), Dziekuje Poland (double), Angst, Aphrica
(w/Ernst Fuchs, Rainer Bloss), Drive Inn (w/Rainer Bloss),
Inter*Face, Macksy/Pain (ep)

contact: John T. Curtis
4065C147 at KENTVM.KENT.EDU
or call (216) 273-8375
or write  1500 Clearbrooke Dr., #119; Brunswick, Ohio 44212









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From: u894825@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Jon Elliott)
Subject: Polysix switches not working
Summary: I'm repairing a Polysix and can't pull apart the front panel switches.
Keywords: Korg, Polysix, repairs, keyboard, LED
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:20:36 GMT

I have at the present time a unique opportunity - I'm repairing a Korg Polysix.
The instrument is barely functional at the time of writing (about 10 out of
61 keys worked when I got it but it's getting better - I've repaired a further
15) but improving.  My chief problem at present is the front panel switches
(the squidgy ones with the LED set on top) - several of them don't work.  I'm
not sure whether the problem is dust or something else as, at first, only
even numbered (we're talking the bank and patch number buttons) buttons worked.
Now, it seems to be more random.  I'd also like to know what kind of IC sits
up behind the buttons on the PC board onto which they are soldered.  I didn't
have a data book with me but I suspect that they're some sort of flip-flop
thing as the buttons look like the sort that are on only when held down.  Thus
the controls are edge triggered.  Any ideas or suggestions?

Jon.
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