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From: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith)
Subject: Re: HELP
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 04:27:52 GMT

In article <Bx7K8K.3Bz@mach1.wlu.ca> macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:
>I'm really hoping that someone can help me with this, because I'm really
>afraid that my boyfriend of nearly four years and I will be through very
>soon without some help.
<much stuff deleted>
>PLEASE help me.  I love him more than I ever thought possible, and I am
>willing to do whatever it takes to keep us together.
>
Are you willing to take care of what YOU need?  Are you willing to
take responsibility for yourself?  Are you ready to stop trying to
change him?
  
Step 1:  Say 10 times to yourself every morning:
   I can't change him.  I can only take care of myself.
  
Step 2:  Figure out what you want *for yourself* (not from him,
    but for you) and tell him.  Don't blame him, don't accuse him -
    this isn't his problem, it's yours.  You are having a problem
    because YOU are not getting what YOU need.  This is your
    responsibility.
  
Step 3:  In love, not in anger or blame or hurt, STOP PURSUING.  You
    are worth time and respect and attention.  The more you pursue him,
    the more he will back away from you.  He will not, CAN not feel any
    interest in pursuing time with you if you don't give him the space
    to do it.
 
Step 4:  Get calm, and find something you can do that does not involve
     him which makes you happy.  Do it.  
  
You cannot keep an intimate relationship going by trying to do the
work for the other person.  The ONLY way to keep intimacy is to take
care of yourself and your needs.  This is incredibly hard.  but it
has alot of reward.  
  
Heather, you don't have to break up.  You don't have to confront.  
You *do* have to figure out how to make yourself happy.  He can't
do that for you.
   Good luck.


Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Re: How to avoid Abusive Men?!
Reply-To: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:40:21 GMT


Woman, you are lucky you got out of both relationships.  In answer
to your question "does rage block the memory?" I say that it can
happen.

For 9 months I went out with a manic-depressive who was basically
in denial that anything was wrong with him...no, it was the world's
fault that things kept going wrong.  I remember several incidents 
during which he blew up because of [*], and would go into an all-
night cycle of rage, depression, crying, and apologizing.  The next
day he would remember almost none of it, and go on like nothing
much had happened.  

The night that I left him he was suicidal and mentioned that maybe
he ought to take me along with him.  It took my parents and the 
police to get me out of there safely.  The last I saw of him, he
had attacked the cops as we drove away, and they forced him down
to the ground and arrested him.  I was hysterical for hours.  We
later went to the station to file charges and get the rest of my
things out of his house.  I have not looked back since then, and I'm
now engaged to a wonderful man. :)

My advice is to analyze your relationships with those men.  Did you
see any warning signals in their behavior?  Do they talk about their
ex-wives/gf's ruining their lives and taking no responsibility for 
their part in the relationship?  Are they supposed to be on some
sort of medication (like Lithium), but aren't because they feel that
it doesn't help, that shrinks don't help (assuming a situation like
mine)?  Do they blame everyone else but themselves on the state of
their lives, like conspiracy theorists?  Do they try to control
your friends, your money, your life?  Do you keep things from them
for fear of their reaction?  Do they blame you for everything that
goes wrong in the relationship, and say that you aren't to be
trusted?  Do they make you feel guilty for wanting to attend to
your own needs?  I could go on and on.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that you really can't do 
unless you're in a relationship, or have ended one.  You can't
always predict how a person will react to things...the best you
can do is look for patterns and try to learn from them.

Good luck, sister. *hug*  


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Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: marital finances
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:20:09 GMT

Mark Christensen:
>  All that I have is hers and visa versa.  

I propose the word "bonaprop" to mean a sentence which results from a
confusion of similar words, but which nonetheless makes a perverse
sort of sense.
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Weighted Suffrage
Followup-To: soc.history
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:05:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <5885@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com writes:
> In article <1cpih7INN82u@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> 
> ....resident aliens...
> >However, they don't have a voice in how those taxes are
> >used, even at the local level.
> 
> Of course, as citizens of another country, voting in this one would be
> a conflict of interest, wouldn't it?  Voting is, and should remain,
> the domain of the _citizens_ of each country.

There's no 'of course' about it.

All you are doing here is to assert that the US way of
doing things is a basic principle.

No, other countries do not have the same restrictions.
For example, Irish and British citizens can vote in one
another's elections.    In Canada, resident aliens can
vote in local and Provincial elections.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Weighted Suffrage
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:49:06 GMT

In article <5885@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <1cpih7INN82u@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>
>...resident aliens...
>>However, they don't have a voice in how those taxes are
>>used, even at the local level.
>
>Of course, as citizens of another country, voting in this one would be
>a conflict of interest, wouldn't it?  Voting is, and should remain,
>the domain of the _citizens_ of each country.

I agree with regard to national elections. However, some countries in Europe
allow their resident aliens to vote in local (city) elections. I have no
objections to that.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: NETWORK RESEARCH ON AFRICAN AMERICANS
From: <G87CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 18:28:32 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

        Can anyone give me a clue as to how I can find specific info
on the status of African Americans in Housing, Health Care, Education,
Etc.?

Any comment will be appreciated.      _Nelson.
Xref: sparky soc.history:9291 misc.legal:19774
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history,misc.legal
Subject: Re: [ACLU] A History of the Bill of Rights
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:49:39 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov10.030602.15756@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
# That history of the Bill of Right was, despite a very clear political
# bias in tone, for the most part accurate. However there were two
# errors (or significant omissions): The ratification of the Bill of
# Rights by Virginia was necessary for them to become law: 12 States
# of the 15 then in the Union were required. (The history refers
# to 11 of 14, which isn't three-fourths of the states and neglects
# the admission of Kentucky.) Second, in discussing the Alien and

Kentucky wasn't in yet.

# (By the way, it is
# also inaccurate for the ACLU to claim they defend the Bill of
# Rights: They defend the parts of it which their members find
# politically comfortable and make specious arguments to ignore 
# other parts...)
# 
#                                             Frank Crary

Exactly.



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From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Erich Remarque (sp?)
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:16:51 GMT

Can anyone tell me what Erich Remarque's (author of All Quite on the Western
Front) beliefs were about World War I and II, Fascism, and Nazism?
If you have any comments, could you E-mail me?  Thanks in advance.

--

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Weighted Suffrage
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:16:26 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) writes:

>...resident aliens...
>>However, they don't have a voice in how those taxes are
>>used, even at the local level.

>Of course, as citizens of another country, voting in this one would be
>a conflict of interest, wouldn't it?  Voting is, and should remain,
>the domain of the _citizens_ of each country.

No, it is quite common that non-citizens who are permanent residents
can vote in local elections. Australia is one example, and I believe
the same is true of the UK. 

Moreover, there is such a thing as dual citizenship...

>Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  
>No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?

Serdar
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Xref: sparky soc.history:9377 alt.revisionism:786
From: cacst9+@pitt.edu (Cecelia A Clancy)
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.revisionism
Subject: Test
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:28:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: cacst9@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu


Newsgroups: soc.history
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: slavery and the founding fathers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:39:34 EST

In article <1992Nov4.172041.4705@ncsu.edu> mhmulli@eos.ncsu.edu (MARTIN HARPER MULLIS) writes:
>
> An interesting fact that few Know about. When blacks first came to 
> this country they were indentured servents. It was not until one 
> "master" sued in court to keep African servants for life that slavery
> was formed. This "master" was himself African.
>

Or that the price of white indentured servants was only 20 pounds sterling,
as opposed to 60 sterling for the Africans. After all, most of the people
of colonial America came over as convicts or refugees, and cost nothing
to procure.

CRD

Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give)
Subject: Re: [ACLU] A History of the Bill of Rights
Summary: Second Amendment  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.044456.7412@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)                     writes...
>In article <1992Nov11.040004.22725@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give) writes:
>> (By the way, it is
>>>also inaccurate for the ACLU to claim they defend the Bill of
>>>Rights: They defend the parts of it which their members find
>>>politically comfortable and make specious arguments to ignore 
>>>other parts...)
> 
>>I'm going to call you on this one Frank. Are you saying that the ALCU
>>agrees with the KKK? The neo-nazis? Anarchists? I think you are wrong
>>Frank, but I will give the chance to back-up your statement. I'm
>>waiting.
> 
>No: In those cases, they are defending a right they are very 
>happy about, even if they don't like the people exercising it.
>Actually, I was refering to their position on the Second Amendment:
>The ACLU position paper on the subject contradicts historical facts
>and ignores Supreme Court rulings, to conclude that it is ok for
>them to ignore the subject.

Unfortunantly, I am unfamiliar with this position paper. Could you supply
more information? BTW, the only Supreme Court ruling that I am aware
of on the Second Amendment comes from the 30's (1936?) that says that
the Second Amendment doesn't protect the citisens right to bear arms 
(I personally disagree with that). I know that that ruling violates the
intent of the Second Amendment (based on historical wrightings).   
> 
>                                           Frank Crary
>                                           CU Boulder
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: twiddyd@pell1l12.alleg.edu (David Twiddy)
Subject: Re: Silence...
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.202547.20616@pellns.alleg.edu>  
twiddyd@carn21.alleg.edu (David Twiddy) writes:
> 
> 
> 	I see that someone has taken the nescessary steps to remove Senar  
> Argic from the Net.
> 	How nice.  It's like waking up the day after the Armistice and  
> listening to the silence of the guns...
> --
> 
> David "master of obscurity" Twiddy <twiddyd@alleg.edu>
> "Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
>  Big wheel turn by the Grace of GOD"
>  			-Jerry Garcia
	I should have know it was too good to be true.  
--

David "master of obscurity" Twiddy <twiddyd@alleg.edu>
"Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
 Big wheel turn by the Grace of GOD"
 			-Jerry Garcia
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: 50 Years Ago: Monday, 19 October, 1942 (French POWs)
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:17:27 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker) writes:


>From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

>Laval tells the workers of France that they may be required to relocate for
>employment in German factories.  He promises that, in exchange, the wives
>of French prisoners held in Germany will be allowed to move there and be
>with their husbands.

On the subject of such POWs - I just read some material about the situation in 
East Prussia where thousands of such prisoners worked on farms, some with 
their families and where subsequently butchered along with so many other other 
innocent people by the advancing Russian troops. It was simply a side line to 
wanton slayings of everybody in their path, but I wonder if there are any 
numbers available from French or other sources as to the extent of the loss of 
lives of such POWs.

Fred



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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: slavery and the founding fathers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 04:01:42 EST

In article <1992Nov5.115412.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>
>So would I.  To the best of my knowledge, indentured servents were
>usually white, and came to the 13 colonies to pay off debts incurred
>from the passage from Europe.  === Al Sparks

Well, let's see here. Indentured servants were on the whole people who
for political reasons or criminal reasons were forced to leave England
for the colony. Since the cost of the voyage approximated the annual
wages for a laborer (about 6 pounds), the traveler was forced to indenture
himself and his family to the shipowners, who sold him like a slave in the
Colony. 

As far as Africans are concerned, they were able, possibly, to live quite
well in the colonial period, provided they could pay off their servitude. 
The story of Gustavus Vassa, slave sent to Virginia, and who  
eventually bought his freedom, became rich, moved to England, sailed on
many expeditions and married a white English woman, and was a leader of the
blck community in London. All these things were within the reach of white
indentured servants--but just as often, never came true. 

Chris
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Copernicus and Heliocentricity
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:00:25 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <23874@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
> Copernicus was said to have "invented" a heliocentric universe simply because
> it was more appealing to him.

This is a serious over-simplification.   In the first
place, Copernicus knew of the helicentric theories of
Aristarchus.    In the second, Copernicus was partly
motivated by what he saw as violations of symmetry in later
versions of the Ptolomeic system.   One of the basic
principles of this system had been that epicycles revolved
with uniform circular motion, but by the time of
Copernicus, refinements of observations, especially of the
out planets, made this no longer possible, leading to the
apparent paradox that the Ptolomeic system now violated one
of its basic philosophical bases.

Of course, the story is much more complicated than this,
but the bottom line is: Copernicus was not simply
"inventing" a system out of whim, or from religious
motives.   His new system was based on a critical analysis
of the old system.

In the end, Galilleo's observations of Venus showed that
planet exhibited phases which were supposed to be impossible
under the Ptolomeic system.   So the claim one often hears
that the Ptolomeic and Copernican systems fitted the data
equally well, are in fact mistaken.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: Queen Boadicea
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:59:47 GMT

In article <Bx63uL.LFs@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
>Hi out there!  I'm a grad student  at the University of Manitoba.  I'm
>working on a research project that involves  Boadicea/Boudicca,
>Chastity, and (believe it or not) Calvin and Hobbes (by Bill Watterson).

Hmm.  I know who Boadicea was, and who Calvin and Hobbes are (and were)-
but who is Chastity?  Or are you speaking of the attribute and not some
person?

-mm-
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Erich Remarque (sp?)
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:04:40 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <23750@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

>Can anyone tell me what Erich Remarque's (author of All Quite on the Western
>Front) beliefs were about World War I and II, Fascism, and Nazism?

Erich Maria Remarque's beliefs about World War I are pretty clear if you
read "All Quiet..." he didn't really mask his opinions at all.

I'm not really sure what he thought of World War II and the Nazis but I do
know that the Nazis did not like him. His books were banned in 1933 and
his citizenship was revoked in 1938. He moved to the United States in 1939
and I believe he stayed there until his death in 1970.

-Geoff
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 feel worse, and making a few bucks while you're at it."
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Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: [ACLU] A History of the Bill of Rights
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.040004.22725@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give) writes:
> (By the way, it is
>>also inaccurate for the ACLU to claim they defend the Bill of
>>Rights: They defend the parts of it which their members find
>>politically comfortable and make specious arguments to ignore 
>>other parts...)

>I'm going to call you on this one Frank. Are you saying that the ALCU
>agrees with the KKK? The neo-nazis? Anarchists? I think you are wrong
>Frank, but I will give the chance to back-up your statement. I'm
>waiting.

No: In those cases, they are defending a right they are very 
happy about, even if they don't like the people exercising it.
Actually, I was refering to their position on the Second Amendment:
The ACLU position paper on the subject contradicts historical facts
and ignores Supreme Court rulings, to conclude that it is ok for
them to ignore the subject. 

                                           Frank Crary
                                           CU Boulder
Xref: sparky soc.history:9273 talk.politics.misc:59091
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.history,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Weighted Suffrage
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1cpih7INN82u@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

...resident aliens...
>However, they don't have a voice in how those taxes are
>used, even at the local level.

Of course, as citizens of another country, voting in this one would be
a conflict of interest, wouldn't it?  Voting is, and should remain,
the domain of the _citizens_ of each country.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
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Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution