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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: 68 Automag = full auto?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:51:26 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul30.180503.2990@com50.c2s.mn.org> caa@com50.c2s.mn.org (Charles Anderson) writes:
>|2) Why can't a feeder this fast be used on a gun made or converted to fire
>|full-auto?
>It could, however your biggest problem would be getting a bulk feeder that
>can keep up, you would end up firing half a dozen balls then shake your
>feeder to get them to feed.  Most people don't realize how much proper
>feeding relies on shaking your gun, I can fire my automag without much
>jostling at all, and what I get is balls not feeding after a few shots

Last Saturday during the Big Game at Skirmish I saw an Auto-Mag with one of the
new fangled ViewLoader 200 with Electronic Agitator.  The Agitator supposely
senses when the balls are jammed and unjammes them.  I&I Sports, along with
National Paintball Supply East carry the gadget for only $69.95.  Frankly I
think its a waste of money and you're better off using your fingers to tap unjam
 your bulkloader than to spend $70 on some gadgets.  Then there are those who
want every advantage.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
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Subject: PMI-3 Service 
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:43:20 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University




Well, Sheridan/Benjamin Air's service people did not take nearly as long as
thier receptionist told me that they would take.
 
I sent my PMI-3 out next day air on the 20th and it arrived at my parent's
house today (the 28th).  I was told that I would not get the gun back for four
to eight weeks, and thus decided to have them send it to my parent's house
since I won't be in my apartment next month.
 
My parents can't tell if anything has been done to the gun, but they sent me a
new owners manual and a receipt for the work done (25 dollars for the work, 5
for the shipping and handeling).
 
If this is indicative of the speed on all thier service calls, then I guess I
*will* consider buying from them again, since I really like the PMI-3.
 
I'm surprised that they got it to me as fast as they did, since they told me it
would take much longer...but I sure am not complaining about it.
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Real Adversaries
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:54:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In the last couple of articles I've read replying to the evils of paintball,    there have been numerous references to trained soldiers and real combat.   One  mentioned that playing paintball would help you survive longer in a real war.   While this may be true, I suspect that it isn't - also the reference to real war was as though a paintballer would be thrust into it with no training whatsoever - come on, go talk to an armed forces recruiter.   They spend more time training than - well, like the commerc

ial says "We do more before six A.M. than most   people do all day."

The other comment I saw was that people with combat training would easily wipe out paintballers.  This is drastically incorrect.   The root of the problem is   that you are seeing two guys with guns - one an M-16, the other a PMI-3 - and   you're setting them equal.   The fact is that in every instance I've heard of,  the armed forces teams get slaughtered by the paintballers to a man.   And I'd  be willing to bet that if everyone got out in the woods with real guns,   the   real soldiers would clean house

   Even though the point is the same, that is   to shoot bad guys, the tools, strategies, and tactics are radically different.

Do a little research - you'll see.

John
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John Martin Chapman
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: tlouie@athena.mit.edu (Tom Louie)
Subject: Paintball fields/sites near Boston?
Followup-To: tlouie@athena.mit.edu
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:54:35 GMT


Can anyone recommend some good quality and inexpensive fields near
Boston MA?  Recommendations for indoor sites would be welcome too.  

Thanks.

Tom
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Team Internet?
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:28:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <92207.125051U53306@uicvm.uic.edu> DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>week or so.  WOuld the people who are interested in getting pathces please
>leave a responce here so I can see what size of an order I am dealing with?
>
Add Henry Chan to your list of people who are interested in obtaining a team 
internet patch.  Do you have access to a scanner?  If so would it be possible to
post up a GIF of the final design for all to see?  (I heard of a crude method 
involving a xerox copy of a graphics design, a regular office fax machine for
sending and a computer fax/modem card for recieving the image; later converted 
to a Tiff, GIF format.)

If we are going to have a Team Internet patch maybe we should have a code of
honour to go with it.  

D
-- 
Thanks to Bush, Saddam still has his job.  Do you?
Volvo, there is no substitute.        Henryc@panix.com
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:39:18 GMT
Subject: The EVIL of Paintball....
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball

	

	Has anyone here spent any time or been confronted with the
	issue of paintball promotng violence?

	I'm not making an accusation here....  I really love the
	idea of paintball...  it's just that many people _REALLY_
	hate the idea, and see it as a promotion of violence.

	FACT:  Paintball incorporates the use of a gun for the sole
	purpose of targeting and hitting another human being (as part
	of the larger objective of the game).  The game simply does
	not work without this element.

	It's easy to see what might be bad about this situation....

	Is there a good side to it?

	Is the game "bad" because of this?  Does it encourage or
	provoke anti-social behavior *IN _ANY_WAY*?

	Does it teach bad habits? (ie: it's ok to point a gun at
	another person...)

	What if your local board of supervisors was against letting
	someone open a paintball facility.... and cited some of the
	above reasons for not granting a licence to do business....

	What would you say to them to _persuade_ them to see things
	differently?  (As opposed to criticizing them).

	-Mike-

From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:17:35 GMT
Subject: Game variations
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball


	New to the game.... (first play coming this weekend....)

	What are the variations common to the game?

	What kind of games are played in indoor facilities...?

	What is more fun... outdoor or indoor?

	Do I understand that being hit once means that you leave the
	game...?  Are their any variations where multiple hits are
	required to take a player out?

	Thanks!

	-Mike-



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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
Keywords: head gear
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:23:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <8m1PoB2w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-mike@jwt.UUCP writes:
>
>I've been playing for awhile now, and a simple JT Snapper system has 
>always worked fine for me.  While I always hear in the mags about 
>'painful ear and throat shots', I have yet to actually see or receive
>one of these.  The snapper system is light, cool (I play in Florida),
>gives you a great field of vision and is very light and maneuverable.
>
>Mike

I also use the JT Snapper mask, with a camo cap.  I just drop down the
earflap thingies, just in case.  It does get rather hot in the summer
though.  It works fine for outdoor type play, but for indoor play, I'd
get one of those all-around setups like the X-Fire, Vents Predator,
etc.

I got semi'd in the head at close range the last time I played
indoors... @_@
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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
Keywords: head gear
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:26:50 GMT


I second the Vents recommendation.  I picked one up last night (full head
armor set) for $65.  It gave me the best field of vision out of 4 or 5
pairs, and fit best over my glasses to boot.  Seems better constructed as
well.
[RICHR]
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Smart Parts PMI-III Question.
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:16:15 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University




Someone mentioned a "Smart Parts PMI-III".   Can anyone give me some
information on this?  I have the standard PMI-III, but would like to upgrade it
if that is what the Smart Part is...

Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: eitzen@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen)
Subject: PMI-3 or AutoMag
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:07:35 GMT

Sorry if this has been covered to death already, but I've only just
become serious about buying a gun.
Which is the overall better gun, the PMI-3 or the AutoMag?
The points I am considering are: accuracy, consistancy, maintenance,
field maintenance, ease of use in the field (easy to wield, get caught
on branches...) and ease of tweaking (PSI, air placement, ...)
Thanks.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 12:28:40 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
 <Bs5prx.82v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
 <1992Jul30.112650.23023@samba.oit.unc.edu>

I would recomend the Scott Panorama system over the vents.  The Scott
system gives just as much if not more peripheral vision, and the masking
is entirely hard plastic, rather than the latex shielding the Vents gives you.

The Scott system covers your entire face and ears with the smallest profile of
the major mask systems. (to be fair, the Vents system does cover about as much
with about the same profile, but I have taken painfull hits THROUGH that latex)

the only drawback I have about the Scott system is that I do not believe it
has an OTG (Over The Glasses) variant, so wearers of glasses are out in the
cold.

I played 3 weekes ago in 90 degree weather with 98% humidity and did not fog
once all day.  I could not be happier with the scott system and think you
should at least look at/try one on before making any headgear purchase.


Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse
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From: dak@bkana57.bnr.ca (Darren Keyes)
Subject: BIG GAME IN PA STATS/SCORES
Originator: dak@bkana57
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:34:03 GMT

	This just in from Skirmish:

Total registered players in attendance on Saturday: 2063
(Somewhat lower than was expected. Skirmish thinks there
 was probably more who didn't hand in their waivers)

Saturday Score:

	Blue: 2760	Red: 680

Sunday Score:
	
	Blue: 100	Red: 1700

No, these are not mistypes, both days were slaughters. I don't
have the numbers for how many players were on each side. Skirmish
did not keep track of or add up the number of players registered
on each team for Saturday. As I recall, there seemed to be
an awful lot of Blue on Saturday and Red on Sunday, but it's
hard to tell in the bush. I know I recall wave after wave of
Blue attacking me everywhere on Saturday (I was Red) and 
continually scouring the field with about 200 others looking
for some Blue to shoot.

Wood.
From: porterg@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Real Adversaries
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:15:05 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Virginia


While paintball may be a good tactical exercise, I would not recommend it
as training for the real thing.

1. Bushes don't stop bullets
2. You can't run across open areas because the enemy is out of range
3. You can't see the bullets coming and get out of the way (sometimes)

Your opinion and mileage may vary....

Greg Porter
From: turner@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Scores of big game?
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:49:18 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

Does anyone out there know the scores of the big game?

				- turner@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Re: DEA may use painball guns
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:02:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

   Agreed, the other week when we went out on the local milbase
to use an open field there (right next to where they keep the nuclear
weapons, cool) Of a group of roughly 15 people, I was the only one
there who was not an officer and a gentlemen (though I like to think
of myself as a gentleman and a mensch) I expected, probably after
reading one too many Harold Coyle novels, that at least on of them
would immediately take on a leadership mantle and direct us
with cool professionalism and hard earned skill. Of course, I
didn't realize they were Air Force :)he he) Somehow, I, the
civilian, kept getting looked to for leadership. As a student
of political science, I can't say that seeing the military so
dependent on civilian authority for policy was completely upsetting
, but I was looking forward to getting a good example and leadership
tips. So much for the unbeatable nature of the US military officer,
of course every team that won that day was dominated by Officers
:) hahaha )

>On a semi-related topic, does anyone know how tough the lenses are on
>the current military issue gas mask?  Are they glass or some kind of 
>shatterproof material?  Could a gas mask be used as a paintball mask 
>with any degree of safety?
>
   Think of being blind forever, are they good enough?


--
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
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From: dak@bkana58.bnr.ca (Darren Keyes)
Subject: Weather in PA?? -- BIG GAME
Originator: dak@bkana58
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:17:12 GMT


	Anyone out there know the weather forcast for the Big
Game area in PA this weekend? If so please post it in this
newsgroup for all to read.

(Don't email me cause it just won't get here.)

Wood. Red B.
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From: bbs-mike@jwt.UUCP (Mike Danseglio)
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
Reply-To: bbs-mike@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:36:18 GMT
Keywords: head gear

tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:

> Hi, I have a problem, with there being so many different models of head gear 
> the market I don't know which one I should get.  Right now I am looking at th


I've been playing for awhile now, and a simple JT Snapper system has 
always worked fine for me.  While I always hear in the mags about 
'painful ear and throat shots', I have yet to actually see or receive
one of these.  The snapper system is light, cool (I play in Florida),
gives you a great field of vision and is very light and maneuverable.

Mike
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
Keywords: head gear
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:56:21 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <Bs5prx.82v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mdmelvin@cayley.waterloo.edu (Tyrant) writes:
>In article <Bs4p1o.9vt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
>>Hi, I have a problem, with there being so many different models of head gear on
>>the market I don't know which one I should get.  Right now I am looking at the
>>PMI Power Helmet (I think that is what it is called) and the JT X-fire system.
>>But I want to know if I could just get a simple face mask and a pair of safety
>>goggles.  Can you give me some advice on what you use and why or what model you

Which ever goggle system you decide on, don't neglect protecting your ears.  The
Predator Mask, JT Crossfire and Scott Pannorama covers the ears but other system
s do not and you'll need to purchase separate ear protectors.  

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:30:53 -0400 
From: Ravi Kumar Chopra <rc0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PMI-3 or AutoMag

Well, I don't know too much about the stock guns, but I've got a Smart
Parts PMI-III, and I've talked to Bill Gardener (pres.& owner of Smart
Parts) about the latest version of the AutoMag with the power feed.  

He liked the New AutoMag with Power Feed better.  It fires twice as fast
as the PMI which is a real bonus in the close up game, and he says it's
more accurate for the single shot long balls.  This accuracy is
reported, naturally, using the Smart Parts barrel.  Oh yea, it's a hell
of a lot lighter than the PMI-III too.  The PMI-III is more accurate at
the mid range shots, though, and is much easier to use and maintain. 
The AutoMag is a much more tweeky gun and takes more fiddling with to
get going well, but once it is going well, watch out.  For a new gun
owner, the PMI-III might just be a better idea since it's so much easier
to use, but take a back bottle arrangement as mandatory.  Otherwise the
gun is so incredibly front-heavy it's a real pain to use.  With a 20 oz.
back-bottle you'll have enough air to last about all day and it balances
almost perfectly at the grip.

A friend of mine (also a SP PMI-III owner) and I are even considering
the purchase of one of the new Smart Parts AutoMags.  And we love out
PMI-III's to death.  If we do, I'll let you know what I think of it.

-Ravi
From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: 68 Automag = full auto?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:24:02 GMT


 I've heard that the 68 Automag with a power feeder can fire as fast as 9 balls 
per second!  I don't know if true, but I did see one in use and it was the
fastest semi-auto I've seen.  I would like to know the following:
 
1) How does the power feeder work? 

2) Why can't a feeder this fast be used on a gun made or converted to fire
full-auto?

3) Has anyone heard of an air/gun smith attempting something like this?

Like me, I don't expect many netters to be able to give any technical answers
to these questions.  Any opinions and here-say will also be appreciated

Walt Edwards
From: U53306@uicvm.uic.edu (DMc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Team Internet?
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:50:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The patches were mine.  The initial order fell through because of
screw-ups both on their part and mine.  I am replacing the order in the next
week or so.  WOuld the people who are interested in getting pathces please
leave a responce here so I can see what size of an order I am dealing with?

also, their might be a small amount of $$ asked for in return depending on the
final cost of the order and how many people are interested.

Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon: <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball in Japan?
Keywords: japan
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:56:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <_1nmbcp.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:
>In article <Bs4p4D.9yF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
>
>Well, I think paintball as we know it hasn't caught on in Japan yet.
>They do play a game using those realistic arisoft guns. They look like
>real M-16's, AK-47's et al, but shoot little plastic BBs.  They even

Don't forget to add, depending on the quality of the replica it might cost more
than a real M-16/AR-15 or AK-47.


A note about safety.  The plastic 6mm BBs are hard and nearly indestructable.  
Shooting out from a high powered gas airaoft guns the plastic BBs will richochet
off of walls and other hard surfaces.
About 2-3 weeks ago the local Chinese news broadcast reported on an air-soft
accident in Taiwan where an individual's eye was put out.  I didn't fully 
comprehend the entire news article, it was in Mandarin Chinese.  I gathered 
that concern prents wanted to control or outlaw possession of the air-soft guns.
They showed a picture of a pair of eye glasses with a BB sized hole in one of
lenses and then switched over to a shot (no pun intend) of a soda can target
being chewed up by 6mm plastic BBs.
-- 
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From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball brands
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:18:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

THat's not an answerable question - the best quality paint depends on the 
equipment that you use, conditions on a given day, velocity, and many other 
variables.   If you find a brand of paint that you trounce people with -
use it.

John

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