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From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Yet Another "What the hell is ths book?" Request
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:13:56 GMT
Organization: Leapers For a Better Yesterday

While thinking back over my introduction to Isaac Asimov's work, I realized
that I'd read a novel way back when that I barely remembered being pretty
good.  For the life of me, however, I can't remember the title.

The plot was essentially that we open with the first birth in space, and
the kid is named Derv (something).  Well, it turns out that he's attuned to
signals from some star, and walks with a perpetual lean; he also can find
north inerrantly.  Pretty much, that's all I can remember.

Thanks for your help.  Please email responses and (if there's sufficient
interest) I'll post a summary.

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From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Irish/Celtic Fantasy
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:22:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.70171
Organization: University of Texas at Austin


In article <al.702856151@iris> al@iris.claremont.edu (crispy derson
the wearer of wigs) writes:
>I am looking for recommendations for fantasy books based on (heavily
>or not so) Celtic/Irish myth.  This could include re-tellings of
>classic myth/legend/ fairy tales, or just books in an Irish vein.
>I've heard _The Book Of Kells_ by R. A. MacAvoy (sp?) is a good place
>to start; any suggestions?

1) Anything by Patricia Kennealy.  Her Keltiad series is wonderful.
I'd start with The Copper Crown. (The complete list is The Copper
Crown, The Throne of Scone, The Silver Branch and The Hawk's Gray
Feather.  The first three are their own series; Hawk starts a new one,
the next book of which, The Oak Above the Kings, probably won't be out
until January 1993.)

2) Tam Lin by Pamela Dean.  An interesting twist on the old ballad.

3) The Dreamstone and The Tree of Swords and Jewels by C.J. Cherryh.
Really great story of Faerie; mixes Gaelic and Welsh stuff
intermittently.

4) Prince of Annwn, The Children of Llyr, The Song of Rhiannon and The
Island of the Mighty by Evangeline Walton.  These are a fine retelling
of the four branches of the Mabinogion.  Look for them in the
children's section if you can't find them in fantasy.

5) Gossamer Axe by Gael Baudino.  Believe it or not, Irish Faerie
meets hard rock.  Very good, very well done.

6) The Hounds of the Morrigan by Pat O'Shea.  This is a comic fantasy,
set in Ireland and in Faerie.  You'll probably find it in the
children's section as well.

7) The Little Country by Charles de Lint.  Wonderful fantasy, done
only as de Lint can do it.

8) King of Morning, Queen of Day by Ian McDonald.  A very bizarre,
very neat Irish fantasy.  Did I say very bizarre?

>Thanks!

That should be enough to get you started.  Oh yes -- stay far, far
away from the series The Gods of Ireland, written by I forget who.
Blecch.

>="Why do witches burn?"                                 

Why, because we're made of wood, of course.  :)

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Subject: Re: David Palmer: Threshold
From: <AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 13:40:20 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

In some article somebody posts something to the effect that he did not like
_Threshold_ because of 1) goofy names 2)Peter Cory always getting new powers
and 3) the non-ending.  (My stupid netmail system won't let me properly
reference things.)

1) I dunno, I thought the power name bits all kind of tied together.  Remember,

in the book's ummmm...dunno the right word, the Isians have been messing with
us for a REAL long time and we picked up those words as loanwords.

2) But he wasn't getting new powers all the time: he was just real good at
finding new uses for the ones (polymorph and electricity) he already had.

3) What do you mean by non-ending?  It's a trilogy, there are _supposed_ to
be loose ends.  But he's back with Meg and he has the power (however it's
spelled).  I'd call that pretty good progress.

Actually, I have a minor quibble with _Emergence_.  When the AAs are getting
ready to send up their shuttle, they are all bummed out because while they can
get robots to do the individual actions, they can't get a robot that will do
them all and still fit the size requirements.  So why not build more than one
robot?  One camera robot, one wire puller, one detonator puller, one
reprogrammer, etc.  Except for the camera, they can all share a common power
supply since they aren't being used simultaneously, and actually the camera
doesn't even need to go in; just use a long fiber-optic bundle and keep the
bulky stuff outside.  I know, if we do it this way then the Russian wins.
But aside from that, why not?

David Hungerford AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET  Opinions?  Mine, all mine!!
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Successors
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:51:46 GMT

There was a thread a couple of weeks ago about what authors might 
be appreciated by a Heinlein/Clark/Asimov/Niven fan nowadays.

Mostly we got all the B dudes.(Brin, Benford, Bear)

But there were some others mentioned, and I have nuked the names.

At the risk of being flamed, I am asking the same question again.

Please don't flame me too bad. I am very sensitive 8-0!

thank you. E-mail would be fine.

jim p.



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From: mvp@hsv3.uucp (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Rereading text errors (Was: Re: McCaffrey's Pern question)
Organization: Video 7 + G2 = Headland Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:21:00 GMT

In article <01GIVDV5VQSK0007PW@utrcgw.utc.com> IRH%A1@UTRC ("Irene R. Harrison 8-446-7415") writes:
>Then again these could be part of the 'rereading text errors'. Errors
>appear in the text DUE to your rereading and wearing out the text. (I wish
>I had saved a copy of that article.)

Well, it just so happens:

---------------------------------------------
Ever notice that the second or third time you read a book,
you discover all sorts of typos and misprints?  The more
often you read a book, the more typos you find.

These typos are read-errors; mistakes introduced by reading
the text. To preserve accuracy, you should purchase a new
edition each time you wish to read a book.  Most of all, avoid
used books, pirated editions, and books from unknown sources.

Public libraries are especially dangerous!  Library books are
read many times, introducing uncounted read-errors.  Worse,
borrowers (and some unscrupulous authors) can infect books
with literary viruses (analogous to computer viruses) which
can be transmitted to other readers.

You can avoid these problems by only reading from new books,
and purchasing fresh shrinkwrapped volumes at your local
bookstore.  Hardback editions are most resistant to typos and
literary viruses; get these whenever possible.

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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: _Postman_ Movie!
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:37:07 GMT

I just heard that Ron Howard will be filming David Brin's _Postman_
to star Tom Hanks.  Not quite the best casting, but I have faith in
Ron Howard's directing ability.  Any more word on this?
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why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
From: slh5087@zeus.tamu.edu (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Zelazny/Amber
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:29:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, I finally did what I've been saying for years now that I would
not do -- I picked up the first few books in Zelazny's second Amber series.
I devoured the first series about 8-9 years ago and loved them, even more
than PJF's World of Tiers series which no doubt inspired the idea; I simply
thought Zelazny's action and dialogue was better.

However, at the unbelievably slow pace that Zelazny puts these books out,
I have been refusing to start the second series until yesterday, when I 
gave in.  I've just read the first two books of the second series (books
6 and 7), but they are as good as I remember the first series.  I'm having
a great time with them, but now am concerned with the series ending...
the tenth book is out now in hardcover (as I understand).  Is it the last
book to the second series, is this thing open-ended, or what?  I'd like to
see Zelazny keep turning these out since they do read very fast and are
quite entertaining, but they are so inextricably connected, usually, that
I have a hard time keeping my patience dangling from a cliff for 1-2-3 years.
Anyone else feel this way about Amber?

Steve

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From: francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Asimov's Production
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:19:30 GMT
Organization: National Science Center Foundation

In article <9204131604.AA27003@us1rmc.mso.dec.com> dee@ranger.enet.DEC.COM ("Donald E. Eastlake, III, LJO2/I4 +1 508 486 2358  13-Apr-1992 1203") writes:

> Something else I'd like to point out, if no one else has so far: The
> 3 "laws" of robotics that seem to be always credited to Isaac
> weren't "his".  Every time I saw when he was asked about them, he
> was very careful to say that John Campbell, editor of Analog, came
> up with them and suggested them to Isaac.  He must have denied being
> their author hundreds of times over the years.  Of course, he was
> the one who popularized them.

But, while Campbell was alive, he always insisted that Asimov had come
up with them.  I think what actually happened was probably that the
Laws were born in a conversation between them, a joint effort.

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From: jsnow@javelin.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: Re: Card's "Memory of Earth"
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:09:21 GMT

marotta@hannah.enet.DEC.COM ("I'm gonna wake up in Heaven on the cold, cold ground...  06-Apr-1992 1529") writes:

>I will point out that Card's novel should not otherwise be compared
>to Vinge's epic.  "Memory of Earth" has vaguely Old-Testament 
>undertones.  A man with 4 sons has visions and has to leave
>the city to obey these visions, with his sons.  Their quest
>will be to figure out what they have to do to make everything
>right again.  In this novel, we have an Evil City that is about
>to be destroyed by "the Oversoul."

Nothing vague about the overtones. "Memory of Earth" is based on the first part of
First Nephi in the Book of Mormon - only the names have been changed to protect the
non-believers. ;-)

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From: John_Jenkins@taligent.com (John H. Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Asimov
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:52:56 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <9204132224.AA20993@rutgers.edu>, ST401844@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Stewart Crall) writes:
> 
> 
> Isaac Asimov was a prolific writer, but it seems that lately he only
> came out with one novel every 2 years or so.  Does this mean that he
> outstripped his publishers?  Did he have a dozen or more unpublished
> books on file somewhere?  If he did, he could very well produce some
> posthumous novels just like L Ron Hubbard did.
> 

Echoing the "Please not just like L. Ron Hubbard" sentiment :-) I note:

Realistically, he probably has a half-dozen or so books currently in press.
Then there are his shorter works which he systematically put into collections:
I'm not sure how many F&SF essays remain to be collected, but there's a 
good chance that somebody could put together a final essay collection
(I hope so!) for him.  The "Complete stories" series can probably go another
several volumes before running out of stories.  I'm also hoping that his
wife or literary executor will assemble a final "Opus" book.  

All things considered, he will end very close to 500 if not over.  

John H. Jenkins
John_Jenkins@taligent.com

PS  Does anybody have or know of a complete Asimov bibliography the way
Asimov counted it?  Books in Print isn't always an accurate guide, since
publishers will often count a book as "by" Asimov to boost sales, even if 
Asimov didn't count it himself.  I haven't seen an official list in 
any of Asimov's books since OPUS 300 and would dearly like one.
From: BRITZ@KEMI.AAU.DK (Dieter Britz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Gene Wolfe
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:51:53 GMT


To me, Gene Wolfe is one of those writers (among them Ursula LeGuin and
Anthony Burgess), whom I read in large part because of their marvellous
language. With other writers, contents are the thing; content is certainly not
lacking with Wolfe, but his dignified and thought-provoking phrasing is - for
me - unbeaten by other sf writers. I am baffled at the diversity of opinions
about Gene Wolfe, on this net. 
 Another thing he is good at, and obviously has his heart in, is his portrayal
of children. This comes across strongly in the collection "Island of Dr. Death
and Other Stories and Other Stories", especially in the one about the blind
boy (I forget the title). There is a short episode in one of the Torturer
books, again with a smallish boy, lovingly written. Wolfe then does kill him,
but instantly and presumably painlessly. 
 One of the qualities that "make" some sf is a sense of mystery; I read all
those computer-comes-alive stories of Van Vogt as a boy, and although I never
quite understood what was going on, I had this fascinating sense of mystery,
and was sure there was a lot more to know, if only I could find out. Wolfe has
this in just about every sentence. He is one of the great writers of the 
present, and I wait for his next book.

Dieter Britz alias britz@kemi.aau.dk
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From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel John Harrity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tad Williams next book?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:40:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.4087
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <7APR199213293980@utkvx2.utk.edu> menees@utkvx2.utk.edu (Menees, Bill) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know when the last book from Tad's trilogy is due out?
>If so, please e-mail me the date and any other misc info you have about it.
>		
>						Thanks,
>
>						Bill Menees
>						menees@utkvx.utk.edu


Actually, post it to the net.  Lots of us would probably
like to know.  Regards,

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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: David Palmer: Threshold
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.053002.19064@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
:In article <1992Apr13.215334.26101@fy.chalmers.se> tfafr@fy.chalmers.se (Fredrik Rantakyr|) writes:
:>
:>Looking for information on the sequel to the book Threshold by David 
:>Palmer. Info on the author also appreciated. 
:>
:
:Would that be 'To halt Armageddon' ? In that case the book appears to
:be out of print. I've been looking for it for about 3 years and haven't
:found it yet.
 
You are wasting your time. It never WAS in print. It never appeared.
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From: jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: "Forward the Foudation" *IS* finished ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:14:48 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

According to the Miami Herald article reporting Asimov's death, "Forward the
Foundation" is reported as being finished and due out this fall.

Can anyone confirm/deny this ?

- Jonathan 
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From: skitchen@pica.army.mil (D. Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Phoenix Guards: Paperback?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:19:55 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army ARDEC, Dover NJ

In article <CKD.92Apr1143309@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>
>(What's this I hear about another book set in Dragaera, but without Vlad
>narrating?  And no, I'm not talking about _The Phoenix Guards_, I know
>about that one; I'm also not talking about _Brokedown Palace_, which is,
>strictly speaking, not set in Dragaera ;-)

Speaking of _Phoenix Guards_, does anyone out there know when we'll see the
thing in paperback?  I've been trying to keep an eye out in SF Chronicle,
but maybe I missed something...I hope.

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From: ST401844@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Stewart Crall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Asimov
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:21:21 GMT


Isaac Asimov was a prolific writer, but it seems that lately he only
came out with one novel every 2 years or so.  Does this mean that he
outstripped his publishers?  Did he have a dozen or more unpublished
books on file somewhere?  If he did, he could very well produce some
posthumous novels just like L Ron Hubbard did.

I rather hope that some such books do come up.  Even though his latest
novels are not as good as the fiction he put out in the 50's and 40's,
Asimov's 80's novels were among the best science fiction being
written at the time.  The problem was that these books dealt mainly
with either one on one lectures, or with guided tours to a respected
savant.  However, despite a lack of interest in the manner of the
information transfer, I usually enjoyed the subject of the talks
and the place of the tour.
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From: cm325d19@socrates.umd.edu (cm325d19)
Subject: Re: Steven Brust
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:01:45 GMT

In article <ru5acINNi6d@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>	(We know from _The Phoenix Guards_, of course, that Khaavren 
>survived the Interregnum. What took me more by surprise was his cameo
>appearance in _Teckla_.)

There were a two more 'almost camios' from the Pheonix Guards in Teckla.
When what's his name, the Teckla Sorcerer who is Kelly's assistant,
tells Vlad his origin story he says that his mistress is a Dzurlord
who is relatively tolerant of her Teckla, and actually lives on her 
estates.  Sounds like Tazendra.

After his mistresses castle is trashed, it is visited by a proud Lyorn
Warrior, with vambrace style weapons, who announces himself as the 
Duke of Arylle, and acts like he owns the place.  A perfect match
for Aerich.

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Isaac Asimov has died
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:47:02 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

It was announced on the radio this morning that Isaac Asimov died last night
(Sunday, April 5) in New York City of heart failure. I'd (coincidentally)
talked to Charlie Brown at Locus on saturday, and he'd mentioned that he was
back in the hospital as of Friday and hadn't been expected to survive the
weekend. Unfortunately, he was right.

While I haven't been much of a fan of his recent writings, there's no
question as to Asimov's importance in the field. Another piece of what
makes SF special has fallen by the wayside, and we're less than we were
because of it.

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And lo, though I travel through the valley of the archetypes, I shall fear
no evil, for I know that the author can't kill me off for at least another
150 pages, no matter how stupid or trite I become, or he ruins the book.
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From: jr041561@sjuphil.uucp (Judith Rudolph)
Subject: Re:  The Annotated X-men Vol 1 (#120 - 129)
Organization: Saint Joseph's University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:23:38 GMT

	Any dragonlance fans out there ?

						Jara
							High Clerist's Tower
							Krynn

			jr041561@sjuphil.sju.edu
From: worlds@dogstar.Colorado.edu (Mud Admin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: David Eddings
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:30:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr16.043050.25012
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MAC KINNON) writes:
>IMHO, David Eddings is a great author, and both his series are well worth 
>waiting for. I'm just glad he came out with the Elenium, because it made the 
>wait for books of the Malloreon a little less painful.

Heh, no smiley?  Your use of logic is amusing...  :-)

sulam
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