HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:46:10 GMT

In article <74195@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> [...]
|>   There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
|> continue to sweep them under the rug.  [...]

To conclude that there is not adequate evidence upon which to base
any conclusions is *not* the same as to "sweep them under the rug."
For most paranormal subjects, there is not even enough evidence to
conclude that there really *IS* a phenomenon - much less is there
sufficient evidence for analysis of properties and/or causes of the
phenomenon.

Note: *evidence* is defined as information which can be acquired by
any *independent* investigator without reliance on faulty (and possibly
biased) "witnesses" whose claims are purely anecdotal. 

|> [...]                               One of them is spontaneous human 
|> combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.

Find me even *one* case in which it can be determined independently
that 1) someone has really burned and 2) there were no mundane causes
of combustion present - then, and only then, will you even *have*
a phenomenon to study.  You can't study something whose very existence
you can't even verify.

-- 
J. Giles
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: UFO TV
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 06:35:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I believe you will find that we have quite a few 
TV shows on now that appeal to different people's interest. On
Wednesday night you have Unsolved Mysteries which talked about the
golden statue that was stolen from a man by Marcos. Next of the 
same night we have Space Rangers (the pilot) which deals with a
secret form of energy that could control things (the show is very
brutal and crude but I like it). On thursday you have Star Trek
Deep Space 9 which last week was about a clone being made. On 
Friday you have Sightings. Even on Key West (which I don't 
especially care for), there was a discussionx as to why
we are here. If you ever find out the answer to that question tell
the world about it. John Winston.
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From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Appropriate news groups (was: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:52:26 GMT

All this talk about inappropriate articles is misdirected.  The
internet newsgroups are not classrooms or colloquia.  They more
resemble department common rooms at a large university.  Most of
the people there are undergraduates or graduate students - and
even a few professors - whose interest is in the subject matter
of the department.  The conversations there will probably not
always be about the department's subject - but about matters
of common interest to people who study within that department.

The major problem is not inappropriate subjects (which will die
out if they really aren't of common interest).  The real problem
is cross-posting.  It's rather like connecting several common
rooms together with a PA system - sure, it helps dissiminate
ideas more quickly, but it also decreases the usefulness of
having separate common rooms to begin with.  I think it hurts
more than it helps.  It makes all newsgroups resemble a visit 
to the Student Union cafeteria.

-- 
J. Giles
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: markowsk@sol.cis.udel.edu (Michael Markowski)
Subject: Dr John Lilly info
Reply-To: markowsk@udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:14:35 GMT

A week or so ago I asked about what John Lilly is up to and no one knew.
For the benefit of scientifically oriented people trying to look beyond the
physical I thought I'd give a very quick summary of his work.  I have a hard
time with all the nonsense and redefined words you come across in many new age
circles - not here, of course :-), and found Lilly relays refreshingly clear
descriptions of his research and personal experiences.

Lilly is a trained scientist and MD and while researching dolphins wondered
what weightless life would be like.  This led to his development of the sensory
isolation tank.  He lost respectability with many scientists when he
personally used lsd to augment his tank experiences, though his discoveries
make for wonderful reading even if you assume that it is all hallucination.
If you believe his experiences are real, the glimpses he offers into various
facets of Life (with a capital L) are truly fascinating.

It's worth mentioning, too, that when he first used lsd it was not an abused
drug, so most of the concern over him using it was that he was no longer
removed from the experiment but both experimenter and subject.  He stresses
that in his opinion drugs are not necessary but were a direct route or short
cut to what he wanted to explore - the capabilities of the mind and the reality
or illusion of other planes of being.  (The movie "Altered States" is loosely
based on various episodes in his life, by the way.)

I don't think he has published anything since 1980 or there abouts, but in an
Omni interview a while back he mentioned he was working on another book.
I don't know how many of his books are in print still, but I highly recommend
them - it's worth a trip to the library if the books are out of print.  I'd
be glad to share more info with anyone who is interested or even post more
detailed background info.  Hope you find this useful.

-- 
Mike Markowski
markowsk@udel.edu
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From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Satans E-mail.
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:53:45 GMT


  


What, if without the rebellion there would not exist any physical plane.

O.P
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: How To Contact Good Type UFO.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:52:12 GMT

Brad Kepley (kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu) wrote:

: That reminds me of a continuing disussion we had with a scientist (well,
: that's what he called himself) who tended to buy whole hog, all the 
: weird stories....UFO's...men in black...crop circles...alien abductions...
: brain implants...etc.  He kept quoting from his favorite book on the
: subject(s).  Someone finally got a hold of the book and in the footnotes
: the sources turned out to be things like The National Enquirer.

Interestingly enough, I saw a special about the crop circles on PBS a couple
of weeks ago.  I don't believe the UFO theory, but I'll be damned if I can
think of an explanation.

Not that I'm losing sleep over it, mind you... ;)
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."   -- Buddha
From: pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:57:27 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1993Jan26.092112.8983@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, sveinn@bgots.dec.com (Svein Nordrum) writes:
> 
> 
>>One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
>>Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
>>"Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis,
> 
>>Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored 
>>by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in 
>>most public and university libraries and some book stores, or 
>>obtained thru inter-library loan.

First let me address Robert's post.  After several postings I am still 
disappointed that he uses the same approach to try to get a point
across.  As an ECKist myself, I found his letter to be rude to those
of other religions and somewhat inaccurate as far as the facts.

'Nuf said.

> 
> What happened to Sri Darwin Gross (sp?) ?
> After Twitchell died, he was the next so called "living perfect master".
> But for some reason or another he had to leave the Eckankar org.,
> he also sued the organization after this.., and his name is never mentioned
> anymore.

Darwin Gross was the Living Eck Master after Sri Paul Twitchell
translated.

Yes, Darwin seemed to hold more of a "Earthly" view, and focused a
little too much on financial gain.

> So either the so called "living perfect master" is not that perfect,
> or the Eckankar org. itself isn't..
> Anybody who has any more info about what happened to mr.Gross ?

As long as we live in the worlds that are bond by Karma, we are ALL
subject to the powers of Kal Niranjan (ruler of the lower planes).
Monitary greed is just one of the many powers of Kal.

Even those who have gained the 'higher' levels (there is no HIGHEST
level), must deal with the burdens of karma while living in this
physical world.

> 
> -Svein 

If you have any other questions that I can clear up you can write me
at pierccm@WKUVX1.BITNET or pierccm%wkuvx1.bitnet@UKCC.UKY.EDU.

Chris
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From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: preparing for the changes
Date: 14 Jan 93 16:54:24 EST

In article <1993Jan5.164742.5522@tc.fluke.COM>, emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
> In article <1992Dec27.095421.1@firnvx.firn.edu> waddell@firnvx.firn.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.042900.2531@merrimack.edu>, 
>>   nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
>>> I was wondering what you all are doing to prepare for physical survival during
>>> the earth changes.
>>I am trying to remember to keep that inner communication open by "meditating"
>>regularly.
> [...]
>>Either way I think meditating is the single most important preparation for 
>>the coming earth changes. 
> What are these coming earth changes you all are referring to?
> Why would one need to worry about physically surviving?
> How does meditating supossedly protect you?

The earth will break up into fundamental and non-fundamental parts.  Meditation
will help control breathing in reduced atmostpheres until the each of the two
parts reforms into smaller subearths on opposite sides of the current earth's
orbit (as if they weren't on opposite ends already).

George Kambic
standard conservation of angular momentum disclaimer

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Dr John Lilly info
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:17:27 GMT

In the October issue of "Magical Blend", they published an interview with John
Lilly.  Interesting guy.  He doesn't want to talk about dolphins anymore,
though...

I think they mentioned that he's coming out with a new book soon...
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."   -- Buddha
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From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: How To Contact Good Type UFO.
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:55:12 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

: JW So there you have it folks. There's more to come on this later. Stay tuned.
: Source of Information:January 26, 1993 Examiner. page 4.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry john, no offense intended, but I (and many others, I might add) just
don't take tabloids for an ounce of truth.  Is there any better proof, other
than the supermarket tabloid?  Have there been any serious books on it?  Not
flaming here, just curious...I'm sure most would agree that a tabloid paper
isn't world-renouned for accuracy, much less truth.
-- 
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kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca   |  see and hear, can you?" - Hendrix, 'EXP'
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:25:02 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Boy, with Kibo and Sarfatti both posting on here now
I'm getting a little confused.
John Winston.
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Don Allen
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:34:05 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen):
>In article <2B5750E9.815D@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>Ask Don about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  _Then_ praise him.
>
>I already settled this in email...

You _denied_ it in E-Mail, you didn't settle it.

The fact remains that you publicly posted that the Protocols were, and
I quote, ``DAMN specific'' about who were the people responsible for
various and sundry bad things in the world.  That statement could only
come from a person who considered the Protocols to be real.

>so WHY are you deliberately provoking a negative response and casting
>apersions about _my_ character when you know less than dog shit about
>me or what things *I* go through?

It's true, I know little about you.  But then, I _write_ little about
you.  That's because I write only what I know.

>... if you don't [shut up] I will surely add your name encoded in a
>most derogatory way conceivable in every *text* I disseminate, which
>I might add is a considerable amount.

Ah, extortion.  How noble.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:31:30 GMT

In article <C15to1.Hr1@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|> [...]
|>   TV has nothing like this.  The closest program is probably
|>   PBS's NOVA, and that's probably no better than high-school
|>   science.  NOVA is constantly interrupting itself to explain
|>   the meaning of some term or concept that I think a well-educated
|>   person should already understand.

I some future age, I'd like to see *one* astronomy documentary
which can discuss the results of spectroscopy without going into
a long description of the electromagnetic spectrum, rainbows, prisms,
and such because the producers of the documentary assume that the
viewers don't know what spectroscopy is.

-- 
J. Giles
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: The Integratron.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:00:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: The Integratron. 
  Although life on Venus is not in the physical as we know it and we probubly 
couldn't see the people who are there with our physical eyes there are 
people who live there. They are in the fourth dimension. 
  One of the things that they have there that we might like is called the 
Integratron. It is a device that a person can go into when they are a 
certain age and it will subject you body to maganetic fields that will 
regress you in age. 
   The people of Veuus age like we do but stay looking  like we do at 24 years 
old till they get about 75 year old and they then age a little more. At that 
time they can go into the Integratron and be regressed back so they look and 
feel like they are about 24 again. They are allowed after 75 more years to 
do the same thing over. After that length of time they must get special 
persmission to go in any more. They then make their transition and incarnate 
to a family of their choice. 
  The space people showed George VanTassel at Giant Rock Airport in California 
how to build one of these things. He tried but never got it to work. A 
friend of mine by the  last name of Canning has now bought the place which 
is near Landers, Calif. and he takes people on tours of the place. 
   Would you want to have the ability to be regressed?
John Winston.
From: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: RA: Earth changes Den
Date: 20 Jan 93 14:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Reply-To: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 

SAH>I'm sorry, Ra & Glenda
SAH>This is where You start wandering along paths unknown and
SAH>troublesome to me.

SAH>I thought I knew about these things, physics I mean.
SAH>These are, however, words that I know, though meanings beyond reach.

SAH>Thanks anyway

Thanks for trying.  I wish I were more into physics to explain it
differently.  all I can think of is to key in on the word vibration.
Something moving at a certain rate.  Like in science fiction, the notion
that there are beings in another dimension; like their rate of vibration
is so slow or so fast that we cannot see them.  This is what RA is
describing.

Can anyone else who understands, help?

Glenda
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From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:05:29 GMT




When I was in Peru, I heard same kind of stories. F.e. humanoids took
a boy in their ufo and fixed his broken arm in few minits.
O.Pajula.
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Don Allen
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:07:08 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.220712.1482@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, fretts@willee.enet.dec.com (Carole Fretts) writes...
> 
>In article <C15o65.67D@agora.rain.com>, robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes...
>>In article <2B5750E9.815D@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>
>>>Ask Don about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  _Then_ praise him.
>> 
>> 
>>Indeed.
> 
>Ok, I will.  Don Allen, do you have "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?
>If so, I would appreciate receiving a copy.


Me too... thanks,

Mary
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From: edw@distant.uucp (Ed Watkeys)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:03:38 GMT
Reply-To: edw@distant.uucp
Organization: Distant Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


In article <1993Jan21.194925.19733@engage.pko.dec.com> (talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic), stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
>
> Space Rangers is good too... check it out.. it's on Wednesday nights.
> 

I'll defend Star Trek, but I refuse to recognize Space Rangers as having even
a modicum of thought provoking content. The one episode I saw (I saw half
of it, actually.) dealt with the replacement of human Space Rangers with
android Space Rangers. It ended with the cast talking about how robots and
computers would never be able to replace humans because they lacked something
distinctively human. Yawn. Did it ever occur ot them to make computers,
andriods, and robots which surpassed humans even on their own "turf"? Nope
-- that would require that we challenge something that we assume about
ourselves, and possibly depress the audience, which would make those 90210
wannabes stop buying clothes and cassette singles.

On a "related" note: I want to a record store in a mall a few months ago,
and asked if they had a particular CD-single (they had the "cassingle"). The
person there told me that they didn't stock a lot of CD-singles because there
were a lot of 90210 wannabes who just bought tapes (and not CDs). Sort of
sad. One of the things I think society should do is instill a respect for
hight-quality recording media for music. I think the current situation is
indicative of our inevitable moral, social, and technological decline. ;)

Ed

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From: marks@idca.tds.philips.nl (Mark Stretch)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Weather Report.
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:00:26 GMT

In <73776@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear Weather Watchers: The weather reports here in sunny Northern
>Caif. for the last week has been, floods, blizzards, earthquakes,
>funnel clouds (any other place they call them tornadoes) and more 
>to come. It's got to where we have National  Reports on T.V. with
>all sorts of forcasts. As they say in Hawaii something about be
>happy.
>John Winston.
It can't be that bad, cause there's nothing on european TV about it.

WAIT, what am I doing sending a serious reply to John_-_Von Daniken.

ctrl-c, ctrl-c, Abort, exterminate, ctrl-alt-explode.
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