From: muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Keywords: sexuality, attraction, beliefs, Scripture, `Lick!'
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:01:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr9.210119.15199
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr9.035025.27299@gboro.glassboro.edu> kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:
>Anyway, what really struck me was a long treatise on why God designed normal
>hetersexual sex, and how Satan seeks to pervert it, and how homosexuals (or
>perverted heterosexuals) can't get the spiritual bond-strengthening that
>proper heterosexuals get.
>
>What I want to know is this: what part of the Bible says this?  Where does it
>say that the bond-strengthening aspects of sex only work with heterosexuals?
>So far as I can tell, your essay was mostly out of your own head.

The Bible says woman was created to be a help-mate for man and that they
shall be as one.  Because this union was designed by God it is what he
intended.  I like to think that he blesses this union, which is where I get
the spiritual aspect - true this is my own concoction, but that doesn't
automatically mean I'm wrong.  Because God did not extend this union to man
and man or woman and woman, and in fact later speaks out against it in
several places, I do not feel it is blessed by God and the spiritual aspect
is gone.  Thus it turns into a thing of the flesh rather than a thing of the
Spirit.  Are you going to argue that God intended homosexuality?  If not your
reasoning doesn't hold up.

>Also, you seem to be claiming that spiritual things are _controlled_ by the
>material world.  That is, sex is like epoxy: you have to mix resin with
>hardener for epoxy to form a bond -- just resin or just epoxy and you get
>nothing.  Similarly, you seem to be saying that one has to mix an XY with an
>XX for sex to form a spiritual bond.  You seem to be saying that the spiritual
>aspects of sex depend on the physical shape (or chemistry) of the body parts
>involved.  If that's the case, could we take those chemicals out of the people
>and bestow spiritual bonds on homosexuals?


No no no!!!  I claim that physical things are controlled by the spiritual (it
can't be the other way around...)  The spiritual union that God builds
between man and wife (which must be there if they are completely one with
each other) is the reason why heterosexual sex has this element in marriage,
and also the reason that a homosexual relationship will not have this.  God
is not desiring sex between males, so he will not endorse it by giving it his
blessing.  God _does_ desire the relationship that he presented in the Bible
and so it will have his blessing.  This is so simple I can't beleive the
responses I've been getting (actually I can because it is easy to justify
things in your own mind - I did it with heavy metal music for years)


>Do you really mean to claim that spiritual bonding is dependent on the details
>of chemistry and shape of the humans bonding?

The following is from an email response I sent lately:

Life itself is a gift from God, and the human sexual experience is one of
those gifts.  My main point is that God also gave us food, but if we over-eat
it is not healthy.  We have been given alcoholic drink, but if we get drunk
only bad can come from it.  If I drank way too much water I would probably
die!

God says that everything he created is good.  We are also cautioned by Paul
not to abuse these things, which seems to be a common tactic of Satan.  Get
someone to use the gift in a way that God did not intend and all of a sudden
you have a sin on your hands.  I define sin as something which God does not
_desire_ in our lives.

I do not deny that homosexual can love each other as much or more than any
other two people who ever existed, and that is not the point.  Here _is_ the
point:  God stated His plan for human sexuality when he made Eve, a helper
(whether or not you take the story literally is irrelevant) for Adam.  He
made it clear that they would become "as one", which is the spiritual bond we
are talking about.  I do not base my argument on God saying "homosexuals
won't have the spiritual bond", but rather "I give X to Y so that A and B may
share it with my blessing".  Here X is sex, Y is man, A is Adam, and B is
Eve.  Because God did _not_ say A and A, or B and B, how can one assume that
it applies there as well?  Look at the trend - God gives, Satan warps - it is
the same old story in any aspect of life.  Wherever there is something good
and pure you can be sure that Satan will be trying to screw it up.

Just think about it for a while and I am sure you will come to the conclusion
that homosexuality is of man, not of God, and that it is not going to benefit
the life of _any_ Christian.  In any case, this situation is at the top of my
prayer list, so watch out!

John M.
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