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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: *** DAVID EDDINGS WANTED ***
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:22:40 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Apr9.161807.16756@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING) writes:
>
>I am a relatively new fan of David Eddings and have finished reading
>the Belgariad (yes, I know it's probably been printed and reprinted
>about 300 times now) and have finished all but one book in the second
>part of this epic - the Mallorean.  The problem is, I can't seem to 
>find the last book (after the Sorceress of Darshiva; I can't remember
>the name) in paperback.  I was wondering if anyone knows if (and when)
>it'll be out on the shelves.
>


After almost a year since it came out in hardback, _The Seeress of Kell_
appeared in stores around here in paperback last week. I started reading
it last night, but since the others have been in paperback since last
July 4 weekend, when I read the fourth in the series, I've forgotten 
just about everything that went on. I guess that's what happens when 
authors decide to produce two series at once. 


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" 'Eureka' is Greek for 'This bath is too hot'. "
			- Tom Baker / Doctor Who
	Ken Luther
	Naval Research Lab.
	Washington, D.C. 
	luther@v5160.nrl.navy.mil
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From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Tolkien way..
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:59:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.105918.19952
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)




In a previous article, fap@crosfield.co.uk (felix power) says about the
Lloyd Alexander books:


>
>It's good stuff isn't it? With lots of gentle humour and growth
>of characters.
>
>There are four more :
>
>The Black Cauldron (made into a Disney film I think)
>The Castle of Llyr
>Taran, Wanderer (I think?)
>I forget!


The High King.  But I liked _Taran Wanderer_ best.


Bonita Kale
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surveying readers of the Advocate (Was: Re: Wanted: Readers)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:08:31 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Mar24.212533.17788@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> In article <10080@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #Do you believe that human rights exist, independent of the culture?
# #If so, you aren't a moral relativist, and therefore aren't a liberal.
# 
# Clayton, you should be ashamed of yourself for making up definitions of
# "liberal" the way do.
# 
# Where is your source material for the definition of someone who believes
# in human rights as "not a liberal"?
# 
# I'm a liberal, and I believe in human rights.
# 
# Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis

Maybe where you live "liberal" means something different.  In
California, it means a person that doesn't believe that there is
anything right or wrong -- just what the government can force
people to do.  Such people argue that right and wrong are
absurd concepts, that human rights do not exist (except when
their own ox is being gored), and that private property is not
a right, but merely a privilege that can be taken away when
the majority decides to.

Examples: Assemblyman Willie Brown, State Senator David Roberti.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a
favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace
of God." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Business Novels
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:08:34 GMT
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA

The quintessential novel about life in postwar corporate America is . . .

		_Something Happened_ by Joseph Heller


but I suppose one should also mention


		_The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit_

-- 
Alison Chaiken 				alison@wsrcc.com
(510) 422-7129 [daytime] 		or chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov
(510) 422-7300 [FAX]
Date:  9 Apr 92 00:19:44 GMT
From: Leroy.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: _Gravity's_Rainbow_

weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>In article <leroy.702699342@syzygy>, Leroy. writes:
>>     I'll say now (to get it all out in the open): I've only read Vineland. 

>So please don't tell us your opinion of GRAVITY'S RAINBOW.

       I haven't. I've said Pynchon is pretentious, badly written and boring;
Vineland certainly justifies those opinions. If Vineland isn't representative
of the "average" Pynchon, please let me know. When I can find $20, I'll buy
(and read) Gravity's Rainbow.

       It's wonderful we can argue like this without patronising each other. 
--
-- Leroy@socs.uts.edu.au                    "Porn-o-graphic! Un-American Trash!"
                                                    -- Trailer, the Naked Lunch.
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From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Structuralst Crit and "S/z" and applying it
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:30:24 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

O.K... before anyone gets there flame-throwers out regarding structuralist
criticism, or criticism in general or what have you, let me tell you: I would
be happy to discuss it with you and argue if it comes to that (don't know what
side I will be on yet though) but that will only be secondary to a
constructive discussion!

Anyway, that being said, for my final paper in a Literary Crit class I am
going to be applying constructionist criticism to a modern text, Ray Carver's
story "Menudo" to be exact... 

Well, as structuralism is pretty new to me, and I don't think I have even a
minimum grasp on it compared to what I should have to make the criticism
effective, I am trying to solicit responses.discussion.tips from anyone that
is familiar with the theory or has used it before.

Basically I am going to be doing a straight-forward critical analysis al
Barthe's "S/Z" for anyone that has read it... 

I would give more specific questions if I knew what to ask but at this point
this is the best I can do. I am not looking for someone to do the work for me,
I would just like to discuss it with someone that is familiar with the
process,... .

thanks in advance for any help you can give ,me... .

-- 
 __________________________________________________________
|  Christopher L. Lott  --- Poet and Pauper                |
|__________________________________________________________|___
|  fscll@alaska                | "And now what shall become of |
|  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu      |  us without any barbarians?   |
 ------------------------------|  Those people were a kind of  |
                               |          solution."           |
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: 7741cs17@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (SILICON VULTURE)
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 3 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.211611.11103@husc3.harvard.edu>,
zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes...

>In article <1992Apr10.163135.14763@dante.uucp> 
>mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:

>>zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>>In fact, what I'm saying is that someone whose
>>>desires are what he personally considers to be immoral should sublimate
>>>those desires.

SV:
My roommate is a promiscuous homosexual.  He does not feel that these
acts are immoral.  Therefore, he doesn't have to sublimate his desires.
Right?

MJ:
>>And now you specify that the person's own morals are those which count,
>>which I can naturally agree with.  However, given desires that conflict
>>with one's morals, there are actually two choices open: adjusting those
>>morals, or attempting to sublimate the desires.  Which choice is the
>>best one is going to depend greatly on the individual and the circumstances.

MZ:
>The first choice has a name: opportunism.

SV:
But my roommate never had morals that conflicted with his current desires.
He is an atheist with agnostic tendencies, so he didn't automatically adopt
someone else's moral standards.

MZ:
>>>Of course, if I am right in my moral speculations, their
>>>moral judgment should also coincide with my own; however this obligation is
>>>wholly different in nature, and in any case, altogether independent from
>>>the former.

SV:
Of course your moral speculations are wrong.  Do you care to debate that
subject with me?  If you do, start the debate by stating your moral
judgment.  I'm not interrested in hearing your beliefs unless you follow
them yourself.

MJ:
>>I'm unsure what you're trying to say with regard to your moral speculations
>>and why you should expect anyone's moral judgment to coincide with yours.

MZ:
>Because I expect my judgment to be rational.

SV:
After reading your posts for a few months, my expectations are somewhat
lower.  I'm hoping for them to be coherrent.

MJ:
>>Morals are an inherently personal thing, which should be expected to
>>vary from person to person.  Expecting someone's morals to be the same
>>as your own seems to be no more than a hope for a homogenous society.
>>And a boring one. ;-)

MZ:
>You seem to be equating personal morals with personal conduct.

SV:
You previously stated that a person's conduct should reflect their morals.
Mason's point was quite relevant.

  |  Kevin T. Renwick           |  "Stress is when your brain overrides  |
  |  Silicon Vulture            |   your body's desire to beat the shit  |
  |  7741cs17@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu  |   out of an asshole who deserves it."  |

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 10:45:54 GMT




In a previous article, anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au () says:
>
>In Australia, not the same as GB I admit, toilet is the word. Lavatory is far
>from school-marmy. Lav is definitely a bit vulgar. Loo is quite commonly used,
>as is dunny. No doubt there are lots of others. I always look on bathroom as
>the ultimate in euphemisms. Don't you guys have separate toilets? (Yes, I know
>they are all euphemisms, one following the other.)

We have toilets with only a sink in the room with them (in real estate
parlance, this is a "half-bath", but not the kind I've seen in pictures of
older English places, with one lone fixture in a long narrow room.  I think
those would violate building codes around here.

I have heard people use "go to the toilet" the same way "go to the
bathroom" is used, to mean what you do there: "Now, Tommie, do you have to
go to the bathroom [toilet]?" But I've rarely heard it used to refer to the
room the toilet is in. 

You're right; it's all a matter of the currently acceptable choice of
euphemism.  I suppose "pisspot" would be un-euphemistic, but I'd hate to
have to ask the way to one in a department store.  I get enough strange
looks when I ask the way to the men's room (because my husband would wander
forever looking for it, and it's often far from the woman's room). 

Bonita Kale




Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:53:26 GMT

Bonita Kale writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Oh.  You mean queueing up?

	No, I wear my hair loose.

That's funny. I see you in dreadlocks.

	Seriously, when we say, "Is this the end of the line?", does an
	Englishperson say, "Is this the end of the queue?"

English persons (sic) never speak to strangers. I suppose that if you 
recognize a person so situate, you might so pose the question.

	And is it pronounced like "cue"? 

Much as the French pronounce that part of the anatomy that is so cutely
referenced in *Oh Calcutta!* (obligatory literary reference). 

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
>One thing, "line" is a lot easier to spell!
>
>Bonita Kale
From: watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov Dead ...
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:18:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.171833.4585
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

In article <122044@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>I'm curious about one thing.  I've seen lots of people post here who are
>science fiction fans, and got into Asimov through SF, or vice-versa.  But
>I came across Asimov's non-fiction first.  I can't remember what the first
>Asimov book was I read, but I think it was on astronomy.  

I think this is true for me, also.  Somewhere in my early teens
I discovered some of his books "popular" science books ... 
titles like "Carbon", "The Human Brain", "The Nuetrino" and "Adding a 
Dimension".   The last I love because it's description of the folks
computing PI to the Nth term (It talked of the guy that spent
27 odd years of his lift computing PI by hand. Then when computers
were invented, of the beer drinking youths that for fun programed
the problem in, and got the same result in minutes, and found the 
guy that spent 27 years doing it by hand had made a mistake). 

Once one of my english teachers in high school asked us to do a book
report by a "minority" author".  So I chose one by Asimov.  
I explained he was of Russian descent, which I felt was a "minority". 
My english teacher didn't agree, so I didn't get a very good grade.

Then I discovered his fiction ... The Foundation Series.
When ever I found myself in some institution of general poor repute,
but the specific area I was involved  was excellent,
I'd call ourselves the "Second Fountation" or "Third Foundation".

Alas, I'd alway hoped to meet Asimov someday, and thank him
for all his wonderful books.

Well, if there is UUCP in heaven ... THANK YOU DOCTOR!

John S. Watson, Civil Servant from Hell          ARPA: watson@ames.arc.nasa.gov
HOMEBREW NAKED!                                  UUCP: ...!ames!watson
From: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Getting children's books published
Date: 1 Apr 92 14:12:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr1.141205.14100
Reply-To: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va


	I was wondering if anyone could give me any information on what is involved in having children's books published?  What publishers does one contact?
What about illustrations?  Is the market very competitive and is it very difficult to get one published?  If I wrote one, what's the process I'd have to go through and what costs would I incur (assuming I could get it published in the first place)? Responses by E-mail would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

______________________

Jim Woodside
Planning Systems, Inc.
McLean, VA

woodside@maestro.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Q about _Gravity's_Rainbow_
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:54:19 GMT

Matt Austern writes:

	By the way, Mike [Godwin], good to have you back.  There's nothing 
	quite like one of those hundred-articles-in-rec.arts.books days. 

I received a packet of 25 postings -- all from Godwin -- this morning.
Should i send the details off to the Guinness Book of Records? The
corollary is that we can expect a simlar number of postings from Mike's
Black Beast, INFIDEL.

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.snodfart.edu
From: jg4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Julie Marie Goodliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Vox
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:24:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Freshman, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Jenn writes 
	
 
	And I'm checking out Nicholson Baker's _Vox_ as soon as it gets
	returned to the library.
 
 
I'm not sure about _Vox_.   It seemed to be about masterbation.  I
suppose that you could read more than that, but I don't think that there
is much more.  It presents an irony about people being so willing to
discuss their deepest fantasies and at the same time not want to reveal
the city that they live in.   It also is very interesting the way that
two people can be so comfortable discussing their sex lives and
masterbation habits just because of the medium that the conversation
exists in.  I suppose that it also represents the safe sex of the 90's,
and it seems for these two people to be very very good.   
 
	I'd like to hear what anyone else thought about _Vox_.
 
	Julie  (if this post looks familiar to you I have copied it over and
re-sent it under a new subject heading hoping to get some respose.)
From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Help in finding an author
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:57:29 GMT
Distribution: usa

Hello.  WHen I was in high scholl we read a short story called the
"Child Prodigy".  Does anyone out there know who wrote it so I can
get another copy.  Thanks in advance.

Archie Holmes
6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu

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From: asg@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:36:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44533
Followup-To: rec.arts.books

In <1992Apr7.221338.18438@shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>Actually, you are right.  There is not one gene.  "Likes Women" is one
>gene.  "Likes Fat sexual partner" is another.  "Likes White sexual partner"
>is a third.  "Prefers Protestant sexual partner" is yet another gene.
>And "prefers conservative sexual partner" is an oxymoron.

	Oh good grief. You CAN'T BE SERIOUS!


			Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:50:49 GMT

Bonita Kale writes:

	Sneakers were tennis shoes.  Or sometime just tennis, as in 
	"I forgot my tennis and couldn't play in gym."  Stubbornly, 
	I cling to my sneakers.

Are you sure they were not "tennies"? Calling a tennis shoe a "tennis"
sounds more like the Franglais one heard on the Cote d'Azur.

	Someone recently pointed out to me that after almost 30 years 
	in the Midwest, I still stand on line, whereas everyone around 
	me stands -in- line.  Tough; I'm right and they're all wrong, 
	that's all there is to that. 

Oh. You mean queueing up?

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: The scope of freedom of speech (Was Re: Homosexualism)
Date: 24 Mar 92 21:09:40 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org

In article <2016@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:

>This is pious hogwash. It has long been recognised that there are
>legitimate reasons for limiting free speech. One of them is inciting
>hatred.

Perhaps what you say is true for Australia. If so, your country has
less tolerance of freedom of speech than this one does. While the
incitement of imminent and likely lawless action may be criminalized in
the U.S., the mere incitement of hatred is not. In fact, the latter is
Constitutionally protected speech.

Speaking as a Constitutional lawyer, I feel compelled to point out that
the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was drafted to protect
hateful, objectionable, disturbing, and frightening speech. After all,
governments rarely try to ban innocuous, bland, and pleasant speech.
The test of tolerance of free speech is how willing society is to allow
people to say disturbing things.

>Quite aside from situations where the legal consequences 
>are clear, there is a moral obligation not to propagate beliefs 
>that might be damaging to other people. 

Quite right. But moral choices of this sort belong to the speaker and not
to the government. Once the government starts making *moral* choices about
what speech you may and may not utter, you have sacrificed your democracy.

>If you still think that free speech is an absolute right, consider
>whether it is permissible to cry "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. This
>case meets the criteria for legal (criminal) purposes, as well
>as being unquestionably immoral. 

It is ironic that you cite a formulation by the American jurist Oliver
Wendell Holmes Jr. Holmes's views about freedom of speech evolved
considerably since his "fire in a crowded theater" opinion--in fact, he
increasingly recognized in dissents that, all too often, the government
used such arguments to ban speech that was nowhere near as harmful or as
threatening.

Besides, if you are in a crowded theater, and you think there's a fire,
you may even have a moral obligation to shout "Fire."

>I do not believe that all or even most US people share your particular
>form of bigotry, and I am sorry if you got that impression.  I
>intend to imply that your form of bigotry is one that is
>identifiably American. I identified you as American, and not Canadian
>before you told me.

That's an easy guess, though, considering the number of Usenet sites in
the United States. By the way, by some accounts, Canadians, like Mexicans
and Brazilians, count as "Americans."




--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis
mnemonic@eff.org | qu'on a perdus."
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |          --Marcel Proust
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: British vs. American genre literature
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 00:34:20 GMT

In article <kt1l9hINN4vk@news.bbn.com> levin@star-trek.bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:

>Assuming these categories are no better than they should be, just call
>it a combination of hardboiled and analytical.  Archie takes care of
>the former, Wolfe the latter.

I have always thought it obvious that it was this combination of two
schools of detective fiction that was the essence of Rex Stout's appeal.


--Mike


-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis
mnemonic@eff.org | qu'on a perdus."
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |          --Marcel Proust
From: reanor@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Jeffrey Getzin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Gibson's new book
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:38:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <wood.703256638@jfred> wood@jfred.siemens.com (Jim Wood) writes:
>m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:
>
>As a sidenote, is this the *same* William Gibson who wrote the play
>"The Miracle Worker," about Helen Keller and Annie Sullivan, back in
>the late 1950's?
>

I strongly doubt it.   The picture of Gibson at the back of my paperback
looked like a very young man ... I don't think he was writing back
in the '50s.   (I could be mistaken ... I frequently am!)

			=*()*()* Jeff *()*()*=




--
					---
Jeffrey Getzin
saintdor@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.kids
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 10:43:23 -0400 
From: Joan Ellen Stein <jc4h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Wind on the Moon -- author? info?

David,
The Wind on the Moon was written by Eric Linklater.  It was first
published by the Macmillan Company of New York in 1944.  The author has
written other books, but it is difficult to tell by the titles if they
are children's books.
Joan Stein (librarian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books