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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:39 GMT

Sorry, but I don't want to sort the text.

Thank you from the bottom of my soul for denouncing the alignment call
of Ken.  Games have very little place in philosophy.

Also, to those of you who say better you than me...would you be able to say
that after your tenth kill?  Your hundredth?  Your thousandth?  At what point
would you realize that the people you are eliminating more than outweigh your
puny existance?  (the above figures are used with the assumption that a vampire
must kill its victim, or must kill those who would seek to destroy it.)  Please
keep in mind that if you must feed every night, you will have killed over 1000
people in merely the first three years of your undeath.  These are assumptions 
made for philisophical debate; those of you who wish to throw lore (all kinds) 
at me, may simply stick them where the sun don't shine...and I ain't talkin' 
bout your coffin (or similar resting place).

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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: How to watch FCC's Dracula!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:38:55 GMT

In <0f31wz600awBQGL0k9@andrew.cmu.edu> Tariq Andre Mahadeo <tm3j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>now i have not seen the film yet
>(i'll see it next week, when i return to new york)
>but
>i have read all of your comments
>sounds to me like ffc
>should have directed a new film version of Phantom of the Opera
>or something like that
>i mean that story can work as a kind of gothic-tragic-love story
>(it worked well as that in the musical version)
>dracula just isn't that
>i guess i'll have to reread the original book
>anyway
>what do you think?
>tariq


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jUST DON'T GO SEE THE MOVIE!!!!!!!

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From: 4dejesus_de@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: I want stories
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:28:51 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Alright, fellow E-mail kiddies, I need help!

My friends and I have been telling ghost stories for kicks lately,
and I've done pretty well with tales from the old country. (I'm Asian....
MUCHO tales from the old folk.)

Anyway, I'm running out....heard any spooky ones?
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From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: Join our Clan
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:17:09 GMT

In article <92324.154627SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Greetings,
>
>We welcome all with open arms and fangs...
>
>Join our Clan and feel the rage of the Beast within.
>
>PAX !!

Uh, sure dude. Rage on, man, rage on.

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From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth; also Vampire Movies
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:18:08 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

In article <COVIN.92Nov18155943@despair.cs.uchicago.edu> covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin) writes:
>In an unrelated pseudo-thread, what did all of you people like so much
>about Fright Night I?  It seemed to me to be just another Dracula
>derivative with a made-for-TV feel.  Its sequel, on the other hand,
>took lots of twists on the vampire-in-modern-life idea, had a strong
>female main character, and followed up the end of the first movie in a
>plausible and interesting way.  I loved it.
>
>Other opinions?
>
I find it interesting that you prefer Fright Night 2. I enjoyed the first
one quite a lot, although I have to agree that it had some made-for-TV
feel to it. Sometimes even a little silly, but overall entertaining. The
sequel had a great atmosphere to it, but otherwise I think it flopped. The
atmosphere alone can not a movie make. There were too many loose ends for
me...

But this brings up a topic which has bothered me for a long time. So often
my disappointment with horror films deals with the fact that there are times
where the main characters, be they 'good guys' or 'bad guys', do something
very dumb, which makes me say to myself 'Why is (s)he doing this?????'. Going
to Fright Night I, for example, I recall the time when the vampire agrees
to pretend drinking a glass of holy water, proving he is not a vampire. This
seemed insane to me, that he would take such an incredible chance like that!
The very thought of such a risk seemed unreal-- it would have been much easier
for the vampire simply to kill his visitors, once he got them in his home.

But usually, it is not the monsters but the victims who do dumb things. I
cannot count the number of times where I see someone in a film, who after
hearing a strange noise, goes all alone to investigate. And IF this person is
female, she will usually end up walking backwards into the claws/arms of
some evil entity waiting for her. Come on, give us a break! 

-John

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From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Subject: Re: vampires
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:30:00 GMT

In article <2086@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON  CHRIS L           ) writes:
>Is anyone reading this a real vampire?  Has anyone ever seen one?
>


*laugh!*  If a real vamphyr were reading this..do you really believe they'd
advertise it on a global news reader?  And if anyone's ever seen one...I'm
sure they have..as to whether or not they'll be able to say so...

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:21:15 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Species of vampires

Over the past few months, I've been taking a new look at vampires as I have
started to revive a vampiric character (a "hero" more or less) for the
purposes of publishing.  However, the more different legends I look at
(especially the different movies and books) I see that there seem to be
several species of vampires, each with different powers and weaknesses.

I've already classified a couple, but I'd like to know if there are
others, and I'd especially like to have someone recall the abilities of a
Saberhagen Vampire...

Hammer Vampire: Great strength, hypnotic ability, all victims bitten become
vampires.  Look almost absolutely normal unless pissed (blood red eyes) or
smiling (obviously).  Sunlight and a wooden stake make the creature crumble
into dust, clear running water is more poisonous than acidic.  Extremely
vulnerable to silver and holy symbols.

Chinese Hammer Vampire: Subspecies.  Can be killed by silver, wood and fire.
Also, not very strong, can be dealt with in hand-to-hand combat by skilled
martial artist.  All victims also rise as vampires.

Anne Rice Vampire: Great strength, ability to plunge into earth like water.
Photographic memory, great psionic skill, and older vampires are nigh
invulnerable.  Exchange of blood necessary for transformation to vampire.  Only
sunlight and fire can harm a vampire, although weapons do make colorful
cosmetic injuries.

Stoker Vampire: Great strength, invulnerability, hypnotism, ability to
transform between bat, mist, wolf and human form.  Transforms through
slow "kills."  Vulnerable to sunlight (unless well clad), can be found by
a white horse over grave, vulnerable to wood and silver, garlic and
cannot willingly cross bodies of water, and is perhaps killed by water,
also killed by decapitation (one vampire killed by a bowie knife).

And here's my version of the vampiric legend that I've created.
Wojtowicz Vampire: Great strength, immortality and reincarnation (like the
Hammer vampire- if you kill it, it will return somehow, eventually.) Vulnerable
to weapons of wood, silver, and sunlight (puts it into regenerative coma).
Absolute fatal exposure to running water, or salt water.  Also, salt crystals
are like tacks.  Walking on it, even wearing thick shoes, will cause
crippling pain.  Being buried in a salt marsh or a salt flat will prevent
regeneration until someone actually comes along and dig it up.
Also has the classic Stoker/mythological abilities of mist, bat and wolf
transformation, and control over vermin and canines.  Can operate in daytime,
and is protected from sunlight by glass.

Sources of above mythology come from Polish/Germanic mythology of vampires
(salt is dangerous and poisonous to Vampires, and lines of salt can halt
them), as well as a blend of Stoker/Hammer vampires.  I would like to know
about as many "species" as possible, because I intend to include the various
forms of the undead, each with a different origin, but each almost filling the
same predatorial niche over mankind.

Douglas P. Wojtowicz.
id <m0mrTPP-00011rC@crash.cts.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 92 05: 56 PST
	id <kh20969@pro-amber.cts.com>; Tue, 17 Nov 92 05: 49 PST
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Sheet
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:45:28 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

Could someone repost the vampire character creation sheet?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 10:37:51 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Couldn't mail this, so I'll post it to the net


> Another set you might consider is the literature from Asia (mostly Japan
> and China) on vampires.  They are essentially Western zombies, literally
I do know about Japanese Vampires, but China has no truly official vampire
mythology of its own, I thought.  However, your descriptions do seem to be
very much like what was presented in the Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires,
what with those vampires looking more like zombies than the European blood-
suckers.
> I hope this helps.
It does.  I was going to do a story where my hero, Terry Wolf (nee Wilcze,
which is Polish for Wolf-cub), went to China when Tepes intended to get
a boost of power from the blood of a dragon which could exist in the daytime.
I had already done an earlier version, but didn't know what kind of undead
were native to the region.
>
> Good luck and good hunting.  I'd be interested to read what you've got
> when it's available if you have the time and inclination to drop me a
> line at that time.
Well, the information I'm storing will be put in my notebook.  It will include
also the vampires from from the Palladium system (Rifts Vampire Kingdoms),
and I'd like to see if I can find the vampires introduced in the issue of
Dragon to see if they really are applicable.

However, if you are interested, send me your snail-mail address and I'll send
you the origin story of Terry Wolf once I finish writing it, since this is
not the computer I use at home to write, but the one at school.
And any ideas you'd like to see done for a vampire story would be fine
if you toss them my way.  I'm looking into perhaps maybe a pen-pal once I
get out of college, since I'll miss the correspondance I get on the net.

>
> -Rox
Douglas P. Wojtowicz (creator of Terrence Wolf, Vampire.)

(Added note, after the fact: If anyone else out there is interested in
my ideas, or has a few suggestions, then I'll be glad to take either.  Also,
if there is a specific magazine which seems interested in Vampire stories,
bring it up on the net, and I'll toss Terry into the fire- especially since
his breed is flameproof.)
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From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:54:42 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <BxnBC6.AHA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:
|> Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> [Stuff Deleted]

|> In response to all the vampire movies out and about at this time, especially
|> Coppola's _Dracula_, I deicded to reread Stoker's original. In looking at the
|> movie clips on TV, I fear that this movie is again nothing like the book.
|> I have always wondered why people take a :classic: and then change it so it is
|> almost unrecognizable as a movie. I mean, the structure and content of the book
|> is what made it a classic, so why change it? I realize that some things in
|> books cannot be adequately reproduced in movies, but I have seen a tendency to
|> also alter those things which were perfectly filmable.
|>  

I agree. BTW there was a program on British TV last wednesday called Behind The
Headlines which was discussing the recent spate of vampire films and books.
Christopher Lee was one of the panel (as well as Nik Fiend :-) and said he
would only be tempted to replay the part of Dracula if it was a very faithful
adaptation. But then he's a bit old now anyway.

			Rob.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:56:55 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Correcting for the degradation of the Modern World

Greetings...
     The previous article (sorry, I can't do the funky capture-and-recycle-
  the-text thing) has a neato point - This newsgroup can help perpetuate the
  "old" legends so that they are not forgotten (or washed away in a bloddy
  tide of "modern" myth)...
     It seems to me that there is a lot of this going on here already - I've
  learned quite a bit (or is it a _bite_?) already (I especially liked the
  Vlad/Dracula <-> Arthur Pendragon parallel!).
     We can't do any more than what we do already, so I guess we're doing the
  right thing (BTW, I'm sorry if this seems like a waste of "bandwidth", but
  I just felt compelled to say _something_.)
     Take Care,
              - Jonathan
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From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Subject: Re: Mainstream Vampire Music
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:35:45 GMT

you would DARE forget Concrete Blonde's whole album, "Bloodletting"...!
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oops!  i did it!  now EVERYONE's going to have it...
...and put it in their sig, too!
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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Dracula Criticism
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:14:08 GMT

In article <18NOV92.17391311@vax.clarku.edu> rgoldberg@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>it's becoming "cool" to criticize the film, to be like, "Well, I'm a REAL 
>vampire fanatic, so of course it couldn't live up to MY expectations" kind of 
>thing.  I happened to adore the movie, some people might not, whatever.  But 
>I'm sure tyhis bulletin could be put to much better use than WHINING about 
>it!!!

  I think you have it wrong. It's not because I'm such a "REAL" vampire 
fanatic that I thought there was no way the film could live up to my 
expectations. I expected a lot from this movie for several reasons. First of
all it was billed as 'Brom Stoker's DRACULA' the first movie to be true to
the original novel. I loved the original book by Stoker, and anybody who is
planning on making a movie that is true to the book has a lot of expectaions 
to live up to. Secondly, my roommate worked on the film (only for a day) and 
told me about how spectacular the sets and costuming were. My roomate knows 
my tastes and told me that I would definitely be impressed (as he was) about
the whole production. That brought my expectaion level even higher. Then when 
I find out that Copolla is directing, that brings it to an even higher level.
I mean, you tend to expect a lot from the director who brought you Apocolypse
Now and The Godfather. So yes, I had very high expectaions, but after seening
the movie said that I was quite dissappointed with it. I said that some of the
dissappointment may have come from over-expectaions of the movie, but then I
also continued to give the reasons _why_ I thought there were other flaws with
the movie. Furthermore, I went to see it on opening night (in Hollywood) and
did not have previous viewers telling me their views of the movie. I made 
my decisions on my own and was not following your 'trend' to bash the movie. I
had made most of my decisions by the time the credits rolled at the end of the
movie.  I guess what it comes down to is that you have your own opinions and
I have mine...
-Daniel
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From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Help
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:50:22 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson) writes:

>
> Could someone please repost the first 6 parts of the snack.gif.
>
> Only parts 7 though 12 arrived here.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Naden
>

In fact, could the original poster send me the entire thing. it NEVER made
it here.
<X>orcist

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:09:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov10.102225@IASTATE.EDU> ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G
Ramirez) writes:

>On the other hand, we humans consider a species
>more intelligent if it is farther in the food chain.

This human will assume that you meant farther "up" the food chain.

>Thus, animals are more intelligent than plants,
>presumably because animals feed on plants.

It also helps that they have central nervous systems, brains, etc.

>Within
>animals, those who eat other animals (e. g. humans
>and dogs) are more intelligent than insects and
>molusks.
>
>Using this frame, vampires should be considered a
>more advanced species.

Using this frame, all parasites/predators are considered a "more advanced"
species. Therefore, ticks (which feed on/"eat" humans) are more advanced.
Tapeworms, too.

If taking his analogy to the greatest extreme bothers you delicate a.v.
types, then consider the monitor lizard (especially the Komodo dragon):
definitely a more "primitive" life form than the mammals it feeds on, but
on its islands, it is the dominant predator.

The "frame" above is, IMO, flawed in precis.

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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Dracula Criticism
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:46:44 GMT

In <By3rIn.GHu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:

>      Someone has just said that they did not feel the movie was acurately
>titled by calling it Bram Stoker's Dracula.  I beg to differ.  Let's get to
>the actual semantics of the wording.
>      First, there can be no Dracula other than Stoker's.  You see, Stoker
>copywrited his book and, consequently, the nam,e of the title character.
>Dracula is and always will be Stoker's.  Therefore, the movie is acurately
>titled as Bram Stoker's Dracula.  

I guess my first question is, how long does a copyright stay in
existence????

Plus, there have been other dracula movies of that title that did not
have Bram Stoker attached to it......hmmmmm

>      Second, the movie is in fact about Bram Stoker's Dracula.  It is 
                            ^^^^^^^
not about
You certainly mean fiction don't you?????

>a vampire created by Coppola.  He used Stoker's creature in creating his
>movie character.  So calling it FFC's Dracula would have been both inaccurate
>and illegal, in the sense of copywrite laws.

yeah, this dude that pisses of the Church and is cursed, ok, that's
about the only similarity I see.....

>      I will accept the claim that Coppola was not entirely faithful to the
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Dracula and the storyline that was created by Stoker, but since he did not
>title his movie *Dracula by Bram Stoker* he does not have to. 
 The movie is not

how about, not even close to the original Bram Stoker story, I mean not
even close!!!!!!

>by Stoker, it is by Coppola.  It is about Stoker's Dracula.
>      Nuff said.
       ^^^^^^^^^
>                                                     Glenn


GUESS NOT!

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