From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Him NotFood? Biology Lesson?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:15:47 GMT
Organization: The Armory

>arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>] In article <mlbruce.717999180@husc8> mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce) writes:
>] >believe I heard once that brain waves and/or similar signs of life appear
>] >within hours of conception.
>] 
>] Er, no.  Within hours of conception you're not even a little ball of cells 
>] yet.
>] >favor of allowing abortion, it's disappointing to see someone resort to an
>] >implausible one, that of denying the salient differences between a fertilized
>] >egg and a seperate egg and sperm.
>] 
>] It can be argued that the egss and sperms are as much individual humans
>] as we are.  Ever heard of jellyfish?
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Yeah, but they reproduce by budding. And they are all as dumb as a
stump, except they wave. Animation of one action, big whooppee!
There is no important difference between separated and fertilized egg
and sperm. They are just chemical machines by which humans might
eventually be produced. But you can't talk to one and have them
understand you, because they haven't a brain. That doesn't happen for
weeks, and when it does, the main issue is remembering to beat their
heart, and keep dividing. And that's just programmed. Instinct.
Automatic.

They don't have memory or awareness. Do you recall being a zygote, a
blastula, a gastrula, an embro, a fetus? Geez, then man, where the
fuck were you? You weren't here, bud, and that's a fact. If you can't
remember being one of those things, then your self you hold so dear
was not even there yet. And if nobodys there, then nobody gets hurt if
we stop the process, get it, no matter how much the pieces look like
little arms and legs, they aren't because no one we could conceive of
being ever used them. They only are structurally similar. Face it
dude, we have a larval stage which resembles us a little but which has
no mind because in the womb, you don't need a mind worth snot.
Everything is taken care of. Where do you think mind comes from? It
comes from the need to take care of discomfort. Our existence is
founded on discomfort, dude, as the primary motivator. We base our
being and our awareness on the need to learn how to remember so we can
recall what went before that took care of hunger, or the need to poop.
We are drive by the pain of life to grow and become aware. And that
only happens at birth. Before that, we don't know anything and haven't
tried to learn anything. We don't even have a concept of being alive
or even of being at all. We are like an extra organ of our mother. And
it's demonstrable that a born baby feels like he/she is part of its
mother for up to three years and not really separate from her body.
But before birth, man, it's a blank. Isn't it. We weren't there. We
were in the pattern of our lives that unfolded after birth. We came
into being gradually and we still are! There's no mystic significance
to the fertilized egg, except remotely etiological. You might as well
say you came into being when you first realized that thought exactly,
or when your parents got together. All times are equally specious and
contrived.
- Steve
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