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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:01:05 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song
 <1992Sep25.111843.2654@wkuvx1.bitnet>

In article <1992Sep25.111843.2654@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet says:
>
>In article <92268.161504EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Ernie Oporto
><EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>> And since Shatterstar is no longer among the
>> living, I find it doubtful that they'll be winning any battles soon.
>
>Oh c'mon, there's _no way_ he's dead.  This is the guy who stuck a
>sword through himself to ace an enemy in NM#100.  Do you _really_
>think they're going to off him, especially given Fabian's ideas for
>the future in X-FORCE Annual #1?  (Yeah, it's "alternate" but I think
>it's a pretty good idea of where he's headed).

Very true.  I guess I was hoping for too much realism.  =)

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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Bishop
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:51:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BvILGK.vu@acsu.buffalo.edu> v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB) writes:
>
>	I just thought of something really sick.  No one knows too much abou
> Bishop, right?  What if it turns out to be that one of the X-Men happens to be
>his ancestor.  Now, what if he causes that person not to have a relationship
> with the other ancestor and he can't be born (get what I'm hinting at?). 
> Then, he will not be born, and then there will start a vicious cycle of never-
>ending stories of time travel twists.  Now, what if this ancestor was Storm?!?

I kinda thought of that...it seems that in the future everyone has some sort
of offspring except Storm (ok, Kitty and Peter didn't get around to having 
any kids either)...would be cool if his ancestor was Storm and Forge...then
he would have to get them back together...but then, at the same time, I'm tired
of all these people in the Future coming back in time to join/fight the x-men 
and one finds out that they are related to the x-men...so for that reason,
I hope he has no relationship to any x-man.

>What if he's his own great, great, great, great, great (etc) grandfather?!?
Too many greats there...he is suppose to be only 80 years into X-Men future...
but the way he talks and the look of the city he is from, you would have 
thought it was at least 300 years.

>	Also, if everyone who comes back in time effects the past so that 
>their present will never happen, then that means that they will never happen.
>So, how can they come back in time and effect the past(present).  Thus, if they
>don't come back in time to stop their present, then their present will happen
>and they'll come back, stop their present and they will never happen, thus, if
>they don't come back in time to stop their present, then their present will
>happen and they'll come back... see what I'm getting at?  Time travelling
>should've never have been invented, cross dimensional travelling is acceptable,
>unless someone comes up with an argument against that.
>	Just another opinion to make you go 'HHMMM'

Marvel (well, in the X-Books that is) says that no one actually goes back (or
goes ahead) in his or her own timeline, but enters an alternate time...so any
changes could have taken place in another timeline.  Look at Rachel's story
and the various futures that the New Mutants saw when they went jaunting in 
time with Magik.

Patrick
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: HEY!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:32:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

pstrem@the-sap-pitt.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem) writes:

>					    ^
>				The Flea   / \^.
>					  ^


>		{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
> 			anyone at all, even my own.}

Why does this sound familiar?

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: 'domino'
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:56:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: PCS.9209302056.AA08490
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


 i just got into x-force pretty recently.  Now, was the
real Domino's 1st app in New Mutants? or X-force?!?
 i noticed that in x-force#15, Domino didn't know who
x-force was, so i guess that she MIGHT not realise that
they are the former new-mutants, OR she might not know
who the new mutants are in the first place.
 please clarify!
	randall glass
	rglass@pcs.cnu.edu
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who was the Traitor?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:51:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:43:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92278.140654JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Actually, I think that Nightcrawler is the leader of Excal these days...and I'm
>not sure, but I think they might've retconned it so he was *always* leader, but
>that he let CB run things for him.  Comments??


No, Capt. Brit. was leader in the beginning, and now Nightcrawler is...no
retcon..just a change of leadership.

Patrick
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:50:35 GMT

In article <18546.2ac47a45@ecs.umass.edu> masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan) writes:
>
>You say they did mention that she [Luna] hadn't been 
>exposed to the mist?  Could anyone fill me in on this?  I just figured it
>had never been mentioned.  

I know it's been mentioned, but I can't remember where for the life of me.  I
think it was in an issue of the Thing's own comic.  I seem to remember Ben 
helping Crystal prevent Quicksilver from exposing Luna to the Mists.  Seems
Pietro was upset because his child was "only human."

>And isn't there still a chance she'll 
>manifest powers after puberty?

Well, the Inhumans say she's just your average human, and their geneticists 
are pretty good, so I think we can take their word for it.  Also, I think you
can tell a mutant before their powers manifest; it's just easier afterwards.
So, yeah, she might manifest powers, but probably not.  And even if she 
does, when do you think she'll hit puberty?  Taking Franklin Richards as an
example, it should only take--oh, about fifty years. :)

>							Mike S.

The Walrus
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099)
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:58:46 GMT

In article <1at44uINN3rk@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <BvpsIA.IwH@cs.psu.edu> mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct06.175201.3194@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad) writes:
>>   In article <maguire-061092091529@128.149.100.151>, maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>>   |> Magneto becomes field leader for X-Men.
>>     I think this idea has a lot of potential.  Unfortunately, any return
>>   of Magneto would just contribute to Marvel's growing problem with the
>>   "Revolving Door of Death".
>>I don't think you kill the acknowledged master of electromagnetism with an
>>electromagnetic weapon... Besides, Magneto is a great character... I'll trade
>>him for, oh, (dare to dream) Liefeld?
>
>
>	There's a HUGE problem with Magneto being the field leader of the X-men.
>He's too damn powerful.   This is a guy who routinely fights the X-men to a 
>standstill, all by his lonesome.  What sort of villains are you going to put
>against the X-men, if they've got Magneto?  (Check Kid Dynamo for a great
>interpretation of Magneto, he's really obnoxiously powerful.)
>	In a perfect world, the X-men wouldn't necessarily get into fights





I disagree, some of the best stories in my opinion were when Magneto was
leading the X-Men.  One of my favorite covers is 202 (probably because
it has my favorite x-villians the Sentinels on it.  Does anyone else
think that the current ones used by the upstarts are missing something
that the older one's had, to me they just don't seem right the magic's
all gone.  Anyway, i like the way Mag's is portrayed working with the
team to get the job done.  I also like the cover to issue 112 also with
Magneto but this one just makes me laugh).  I mean when you're fighting
people like Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse you can use all the power you
can get.  On a side note, i just picked up the Death's Head II limited
series and was paging through it (haven't had time to read it yet) and
i came upon a scene in issue #4 where Wolverine claws Death's Head or 
some part of him and his middle claw breaks off and wolvie says " Now
there's a Novelty... " i just about laughed myself to tears, maybe
that's where the claw in guardians of the galaxy came from...Nah...
that's even to corny for me to believe.  (like i said i know this
series isn't new and if anyone's posted something similar i didn't
see it and i apologize.)


-Psycho



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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: X-Men Danglers -- Robi, Where are You!?
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:48:32 GMT
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
> Once, in the mythic world of rec.arts.comics, there was a list of danglers,
> including one for X-Men. Now, with the removal of r.a.c. following the
> crisis on net.worlds, the list has been missing for some time, and some of
> us would like to know where it is...

MAybe you should try rec.arts.xbooks
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Subject: Re: Insults on X-Men
From: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan)
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:54:30 PST
Organization: No organisation at all
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Peter J. Orlando (orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
                 
               [lots of dribble deleted] 
: 
: 1.  The time travel craps is exactly what it is.  Crap.  The people
: at marvel have seen Terminator and Terminator 2 and some other 
: movies one too many times. It is not an original plot.

Marvel were time jumping years before terminator so your comment ia
just worth CRAP .     IMHO
 
: 2.  Most of the issues all deal with tons of action, big muscles,
: big breasts coming out at the reader.  You have to scrape
: away at all this crap just to find the story and even then, the 
: story is not worth it.

If you can do better then you can comment but i don't see your name on
anything importent.   IMHO

:  
: 3.  The over over over development of characters.  How much can 

number 3. i agree with .  IMHO
 
: bitch about stuff.  This is suppose to be an open forum
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: and a lot of valid "bitches" have been made.  This is the place
: to do so.  And if you do not like it.. for all those who do not like
: it. Tough.  This is suppose to be the place to discuss stuff.
: 
: IF you you want to bitch at me...mail all bitches
: to  orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
is'nt this a contridiction of terms 1.st you say it is an opem forum
then you say if you don't agree then don't reply here.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 1992 18:54:45 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rachel, Nathan etc...
 <1992Oct2.171113.26580@decuk.uvo.dec.com>
 <02OCT92.25279017.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
	<92277.172350JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>

>>
I believe (and someone else mentioned in an earlier followup (shows who's been
paying attention :-) ) that it was in the What If... issue called "What If
Professor X Had Become the Juggernaut?"
<<

not only that, but---so what?! The kid's name is "Christopher Nathan
Summers" right? So making them twins named "Christopher" and "Nathan"
was just a play on his name!

BTW: I've found myself pronouncing it both "ZAY-vee-yer" and
"EK-zay-vee-yer" and sometimes when I'm feeling really goofy I call him
"HA-vee-air" ;) [I don't know which I think is right because I only
"pronounce" the name in my head--I really don't do too much talking to
other people about it. Speaking of which, anybody ever find themselves
really embarrassed when they actually say the name of a comic character
for the first time?? For example, I can remember the first time I
actually said "Legion of Super-Heroes" out loud---boy did that feel
weird!!)

--Vernon.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:56:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bv9z66.q8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.040310.2092@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>In article <18546.2ac47a45@ecs.umass.edu> masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan) writes:
>>>
>>>I was wondering about this.  You say they did mention that she hadn't been 
>>>exposed to the mist?  Could anyone fill me in on this?  I just figured it
>>>had never been mentioned.  And isn't there still a chance she'll 
>>>manifest powers after puberty?
>>
>>According to the Attilan geneticists, Luna has no natural powers.  She's
>>a normal human.  In Thing #3, Quicksilver wanted to expose Luna to the
>>Terrigen Mist, to give her powers, but Crystal wanted Luna to not have
>>powers.  She enlisted the Thing's help to convince Quicksilver not to
>>subject Luna to the Mist.  Quicksilver is finally convinced by Lockjaw,
>>who ACTUALLY SPEAKS for the first time in this issue.  So, Luna hasn't
>>been exposed to the Terrigen Mist, and has no powers.  All clear?
>
>But didn't Quicksilver make mention in an issue of X-Factor that the bit 
>with Lockjaw talking was some kind of joke?  I vaguely remember reading this
>and as Obscure Trivia Lad (tm--maybe I should be Trademark Kid :-)) you of
>all people should be able to tell me if I remember this correctly.  What I
>_do_ remember of it is Pietro talking about practical jokes, and trailing
>off with some line about the joke he and someone else pulled off on Ben
>Grimm, to make him think Lockjaw could talk.  Hmmm....PAD, do you remember
>this?  

For once, Obscure Trivia Lad DID remember this, but chose not to
mention it (usually he forgets these minor details).  Obscure Trivia
Lad chooses to remember the story the way it was written, with
Lockjaw talking, and not as some ventriloquist act.  Lets face it,
Thing #3 just doesn't work as well if it isn't Lockjaw actually
talking.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: boehmer9694@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: post
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:55:28 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa
Summary: Re: Magic, New Mutants
Reply-To: Magik, New Mutants

Personally, I believe two things about Magik.
    
    1) The older Illyana is still out there.

       Reason: Rahne pulling the young Illyana from Limbo would only create
another alternate reality within Limbo itself, which is what happened when the
X-men met the "other" Storm. The older Illyana would not cease to exist just
because of a little dimensional warping.
       
    2) The young Illyana has her magic.

       Reason: I call to mind New Mutants 73. When Colossus broke the young
Illyana out of her "armor", she was wearing the amulet Belasco had given her.
The only time after that event that Illyana was near the stepping disks, and
still close to her original age, was when she and Cat (the alternate dimension
Shadowcat) were just "escaping" from Storm's citadel. This happened *after*
Storm had taught Illyana some white magic (see Magik 1-2).

I await either one of their returns with anticipation. Face front, true
believers!
                                     Catch Ya on the Flipside!
                                     R.J. Boehmer

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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Luna doesn't have powers?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 10:41:42 EDT

In article <BvB99v.99r@nic.umass.edu>
cma@titan.ucc.umass.edu (COLIN MA) writes:
 
>
>It has been written that the Acolytes are going after Luna,
>Magneto's granddaughter, because she doesn't have any mutant
>or Inhuman powers.  Hmm, I remember an X-Factor annual some
>years back involving some plot about Black Blot's mad
>brother taking control of the Inhumans.  Franklin Richards
>was in this one.
>
>Anyway, I remember seeing Luna levitating some objects in
>one panel.  Does anyone else remember this or have a copy
>of that annual (it was an early X-Factor annual)?  Maybe
>they've retconned this one already...
 
It was X-Factor Annual #3, I think.  I remember thinking at the time that
Luna was a telekinetic of some sort (like Franklin was supposed to have been;
does anyone know in which FF books he actually demonstrated his original
powers?).  But then when I read much later that Luna was actually
not exposed to the Terrigen mist, I assumed that she had just been bouncing
the objects or using some sort of machine.
 
 
 
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur question
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:17:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.133548.2930@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <Bvno6D.3MF@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v062nm65@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ARCHANGEL) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct4.131740.6136@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes...
>>>I was rereading some of my old Excalibur and was wondering if Illyana's
>>>soulsword shown in issue 11 is still sitting outside what is left of the
>>>lighthouse.  If not how and when did it get moved? Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> The last we all saw of the Soulsword was during the short "Promethium Exchange"
>> storyline, where Doc. Doom needed Kitty and the sword to open a gateway in
>> Limbo.  At the end of the story, the sword was left in Limbo, being guarded by
>> a demon who had been created by Doom (his name escapes me at the moment...)
>
>Darkoth the Destroyer, I believe.  He used to be a human pal of Ben
>Grimm's, until Doom changed him into a monster in FF a looong time
>ago.

Nnnnnnoooooooo!!!!!!!!  Obscure Trivia Lad can't believe it!  They
brought *Darkoth* back?  Why?  Why?  WhyWhyWhyWhyWhy?

Okay, calm down, Obscure Trivia Lad.  Obscure Trivia Lad thought the
art on "Promethium Exchange" was so bad, that Obscure Trivia Lad
didn't read those issues.  Maybe it wasn't Darkoth.  Please, someone
say it wasn't really Darkoth!  Please say that Marvel would leave
this obscure character dead!  Or is that asking for too much?

Obscure Trivia Lad, wondering who else will be brough back from the dead
:)

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Insults on X-Men
Keywords: Insults, X-Men
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I've been hearing many insults on the mutant books.  These insults 
happen to make me feel nauseated.  I've been reading the mutant titles since the
age of nine.  People who request the mutant titles to be cancelled or just say
'They Suck', are hypocrites.  You know you'll never give these titles up so just
quit and keep on reading.  Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride (sometimes its
rough and sometimes its the best).

						The Man (A Loyal Fan)