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From: phatch@solstice.slc.mentorg.com (Phill Hatch (CONTRACTOR Documentation))
Subject: Contagion?
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.,  Murray, Utah
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:29:57 GMT

So what can anyone tell me about Contagion.  The station here in SLC
has been playing two songs, "We Believe", and one whose title I
can't remember.  I have liked these two songs but wonder how
representative they are for the rest of the album's material.

And any thing you could tell me about the band would be 
appreciated.

Phil
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:18982 alt.music.hardcore:903
From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: John Wayne was a Nazi
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:53:41 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1993Jan4.161214.1@sara.cc.utu.fi>, viikari@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
> In article <92365.162357U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>   
> 
> 
> 	The 7" versions are on the MDC compilation 'More Dead Cops 19**-19**'
> 	(I don't remember the exact name). And there's the 7" but it's very
> 	hard (and expensive) to find.
> 
> 		I prefer the 7" versions, too.
> 			-t-


you know an address where this can be ordered from?  I cant find it anywhere..
From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ride
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:35:42 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan07.171201.3215@rose.com>, greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
> 
> Date Entered: 01-07-93 11:24
> Quoted From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly)
>> 
>>   You are missing an EP, Fall which is grey and contains Dreams
>> Burn Down and Taste.  The shark EP is 'Today Forever' which is excellent
>> and contains orchestral arrangements - buy it..
>>   There is a Twisterella EP which contains Howard Hugues, Stampeed and
>> Going Blank Again ( the song ), which is disappointing.
>> 
> 
> I'll probably try pick up all three of those EPs, and complete my 
> 'collection'... thanks for the info.
> 
>> 
>> Me too.
>> This album was certainly a surprise after Nowhere but it is
>> still good.
>> 
> 
> Hope they still have it in them to duplicate the feel of that LP.  And 
> to the person who said they had the chance to see The Charlatans and 
> Ride in concert -- don't miss EITHER one; they are both amazing bands 
> live.
> 

Firstly, the next Ride LP is going to use keyboards instead of guitars a la
their cover of Kraftwerk's "The Model".  This may see Ride expand their range
somewhat.
   Secondly, the Ride/Charlatans double bill bashes at Blackpool and Brighton
are almost sold out already.  At just #12 this is a total bargain.  Tim Burgess
says The Charlies are going to preview new material at the shows prior to
recording in the late Spring, so haul ass down there!


>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> | Chris Cleverley,                    |      . . 
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> 
> rev@cibbs.uucp / greg.ipp@rose.com
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From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Read This!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:43:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan4.181337.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>What I am going to post here is information that can be used on all types of
>music...not just alternative.
>
>[If this is outdated information, please don't flame me].
>
>While holiday shopping, I stopped into "The Wherehouse" to buy some cassettes. 
>Inside, there were two machines known as "I-stations".  These I-stations
>allowed you to preview select portions of select tracks of the album you have
>selected to preview (to insure that you really want the album).  

It's another marketing gimmick I read about - supposedly can store
something like 30-40 second portions of some 300,000 songs or something
ridiculous like that.  Record companies and stores hope this will encourage
buyers who are iffy about something - which it probably will.  Of course
the I-stations will be fine for recordings that are produced or are
expected to sell in high volumes, and the independent label stuff won't
be able to afford the technology or will refuse to be associated with it
in general.

Thumbs up or down, it's probably a good idea for major label marketing --
they can even monitor interest in certain releases by the number of times
a CD is listened to and how it is rated - giving them incentive to promote
the release more, push for more airplay, produce a higher volume, etc.

I can picture it sticking around and becoming quite popular, though I doubt
I'd ever find reason to use it much myself because of the market base it
will likely be geared for.

greg
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NIN: Fixed - is it worth it?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:32:51 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
> So what's the verdict on this ep?  Any good? Worth paying for? Any 
> hidden bonus tracks?

good! worth the money. no bonus tracks.

actually, i like it better than Broken. a lot more interesting. lots
of technical jiggery & cool beats as opposed to a bland wall o' noise.
one of the things i liked about PHM was all the little background riffs 
Trent would toss in. rather fun to focus on one & listen to how it
mutated over the course of a track. Broken is boring by that standard.
Fixed can at least keep my attention.

jason

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Alternative music.
Organization: The Off Beat
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:11:22 GMT

Elissa Feit...

> ... This doesn't mean that an "alternative
> music" (tm) station should play classical. That's what a classical
> station is for.

Huh?  An "alternative" station shouldn't play or do anything that any
other format station does?  So, no DJ's, no talking, no country, no
public affairs, no jazz, no pop, no...  Oh, wait, are we talking about
alternative, or "Alternative" (the latter being that defined by Milo
D. Cooper)?

Classical music stations, in the commercial radio station sense, aren't
for playing classical music... they're for the exact same thing that
top-40, AOR, CHR, Newstalk, etc. stations are for: making money.  The
"programming" is simply filler between the commercials.

I think it's a shame that "alternative" stations are so typically devoid
of classical music.  It's a shame that people who listen to "alternative"
radio often do so with such a fine granularity that they want their
collage to be made up only of elements that (supposedly) can't be found
on "non-alternative" stations.

> My disagreement with metal, say, being played as alternative is NOT
> based on whether or not the group is on a major label. I don't like
> metal per se.  If I wanted to listen to it, I'd listen to a metal
> station.

Well, I'm not much of a metal fan either, but I can't think of too many
radio stations anywhere in this country that would be considered "metal
stations."  For all its sales popularity, metal has never held much
sway over the airwaves.  Like many other genres, a few well-worn examples
squeak their way onto a few radio outlets, but as I'm sure the metalheads
can tell you, the vast majority of metal music (and, I would guess they'd
also say the best of it) never gets played on commercial radio, and fairly
rarely in the oh-so-hip dimensions of college radio.

It sounds more like your complaint is that playing metal isn't necessarily
playing something that isn't alternative, it's playing something that you
don't like.  To suggest that it's not "alternative" is to climb back into
the morass of defining this imaginary "genre"/marketing term: Alternative.

> There are tons of bands, there's tons of music to hear... it seems
> to me that time and airspace is a limited and valuable resource. Every 
> time my dj plays Metallica, that means that I'm not being introduced
> to Drop Acid, or The Breeders, or ... the list goes on.

And the airspace can also be used to program a different *style* of radio.
Different than that presented at the commercial end of the spectrum, and
different from the incredibly homogenized world of "college" radio that
has become dominant in the past decade.  Perhaps Buffalo is a particularly
improverished radio market -- like, oh, say, San Diego -- but in the Bay
Area, playing the Breeders on a college station certainly wouldn't do much
to introduce the listeners to something new.

Hmmm, looks like the liklies in Buffalo include only WBFO, WBNY, and WEBR.
Not too much to pick from.

-dx
-- 
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From: dahl@stein.u.washington.edu (Aren't I a cutie? )
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Discography for.... wanted
Date: 8 Jan 1993 07:49:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: Peter Murphy, Clock DVA, Fields of Nephilim

  I am looking for Discographies for 

      Peter Murphy
          
      Clock DVA

      Fields of Nephilim

  Thanks....     


  drew at dahl@stein.u.washington.edu


     
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robey Pointer)
Subject: Re: songs with the title "rain"
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:38:40 GMT

sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:

>Well, since I started this thread, I might as well put it to rest.  My
>initial interest was songs with the title "RAin" itself, since there seems
>to be more songs with that title than anything else I've ever come across. 
>I listed five and got four more:

>The Beatles-"Rain"
>The Jazz Butcher-"Rain"
>The Chills-"Rain"
>Tones on Tail-"Rain"
>Dragon-"Rain"

>The Cult - "Rain"
>Martin Stephenson and the Daintees - "Rain"
>Skinny Puppy- "Rain"
>The Waterwalk- "Rain"

>Not one of these is a cover of another, as far as I'm aware.


How could you possibly forget???
Blake Babies- "Rain"

robey

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NZ bands: Dribbling Darts of Love, The Puddle, Tinnitus
From: R.E.Bradshaw@massey.ac.nz (R.E. Bradshaw)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:26:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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From: trtotu@uta.fi (Tommi Turkia)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The Blow Up ( Was: Re: Television -- together again?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:34:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In <1993Jan11.135913.12594@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:

>How is the sound quality on the CD? The cassette is pretty poor in this
>regard.

Don't know about that but the LP version (issued by some
odd French label) has rather varied sound quality.

I suppose the CD can't be much better since it's a
some kind of best of compilation from various bootlegs.  
At least that's what I've read.

It's worth getting for the 15 minutes long versions
of "Little Johnny Jewel" and "Marquee Moon" and a great
cover of "Knocking on Heaven's Door".  By the way,
the title track, "Blow Up", is really 13th Floor Elevators'
"Fire Engine".  


-- 
Tommi Turkia  - dept of translation studies - U of Tampere - Finland

"Of all the ways of acquiring books, writing them oneself is
 regarded as the most praiseworthy method."  - Walter Benjamin
From: jens_alfke@gateway.qm.apple.com (Jens Alfke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:03:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <QfINhPG00WBM42DK0Z@andrew.cmu.edu> Spencer J Hollis,
sh4m+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>"X" is back.
>If you're not familiar with them here is a quick synopsis of their
history.
>-in 1982 they released their second (and only available) album "under
>the big black sun" to a very un appreciative crowd.  This album is so
>far ahead of it's time that it is just coming into it's own now.  They
>are a very un pop b52's ish sounding group that thrives off of shocking,
>sometime jovial topics and rythems.
>-after that album they dissapeared for quite some time.

Um, you're missing some stuff. Like, most of it.

X began in the late '70s as the best of the LA punk bands of that era;
others being the Germs, Black Flag, the Circle Jerks... (The film "The
Decline and Fall of Western Civilization" is a great overview of that
scene.) Their early stuff is definitely punk, although with a strong
roots-rock influence courtesy of guitarist Billy Zoom. On later albums
they slowed down and became less aggressive, losing some of my attention
in the process.

Here are all the albums:
Los Angeles ('80)
Wild Gift ('81)
Under the Big Black Sun ('82)
More Fun In the New World ('83)
Ain't Love Grand ('85?)
Fourth of July ('87?)

The first three are most excellent. You should be able to find them all
on CD; the first two come bundled on one disc which is nice.

Billy Zoom left after "Ain't Love Grand" and was replaced by their friend
Dave Alvin of the Blasters. X broke up for a while but have been playing
off and on for the past few years. Haven't heard any of their new stuff.

--Jens Alfke
From: eddie@solan.unit.no (Kjetil Valstadsve)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Front Line Assembly - why so quiet?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:12:57 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Does anyone out there know anything much about Front Line Assembly? There is 
literally NO trace of them in the music press, everybody has given attention
to Ministry and Front 242 instead.

FLA is basically electronic music, and have released the following albums...

 - Tactical Neural Implant (1992 - this had an incredible cyberpunk feel to it)
 - Caustic Grip (1992 according to the cover, but according to a friend this was
   released earlier. When? How?)
 - Convergence (a collection of old songs + a few new ones)
 - The Blade (1992, four versions of The Blade, from TNI + four new songs)
 ... and three which I haven't got hold of yet, and just seemed to pop out of
     nowhere in the latest catalogue from Akers-Mic (Norwegian CD shop)...
 - Gashed senses & crossfire
 - State of mind
 - The Initial Command
 ... these should be arriving on my doorstep soon! Are these old releases or have
     FLA started mass-producing albums?


Plus, I would like to know this: What else, if anything, have they released? How
long have they been in business? Who are they? Are any of their incredible videos
for sale? (I saw "Final Impact" - I think - from TNI on MTV - it was just 
incredible and looked like something that Industrial Light And Magic had been
playing with during their lunch breaks). Do they sign body parts? (er... no,
scratch that...).

Answers would be greatly appreciated.

_____________________
_____________________ Kjetil Valstadsve.
From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ride
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:52:43 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division

On Ride:

>  They have released (to my knowledge): the two EPs that make up the 
>'Smile' album, the 'Nowhere' LP, an EP with a big shark on the cover 
>(for _Vapour Trail_, I believe -- this is the one I don't have), 
>'Going Blank Again' LP, and a 'Leave Them All Behind' EP.  Possibly 
>there is an EP for _Twisterella_, but I'm not sure.

  The two EPs that make Smile are Ride and Play which are red and yellow
respectively.  I believe they were released in 88 and 89.
  You are missing an EP, Fall which is grey and contains Dreams
Burn Down and Taste.  The shark EP is 'Today Forever' which is excellent
and contains orchestral arrangements - buy it..
  There is a Twisterella EP which contains Howard Hugues, Stampeed and
Going Blank Again ( the song ), which is disappointing.

>  As far as the 'Going Blank Again' LP is concerned; I like it a lot, 
>although I do agree it is the weakest of their works so far.  I expect 
>them to hopefully 'find themselves' again, with their future stuff. 
>Tracks like _OX4_, _Leave Them All Behind_, and _Time Machine_, make 
>me optimistic that this can still happen.  (I disagree on the "self 
>indulgent", and "drawn out" statements).
>

Me too.
This album was certainly a surprise after Nowhere but it is
still good.




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From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: PRISONSHAKE ANYONE?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 

-> I just got a bunch of stuff by this band.  They are really starting
-> to grow on me!  Who else could cover 'Spider and the Fly' like that!
-> Does anyone know anything about this Cleveland band out there?
->
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I've never heard Prisonshake, but I've heard of them through My Dad Is
Dead.  Various members of Prisonshake apparently play on the MDID
recordings.  What do they sound like?
                                                      
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From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Nirvana (Where does this material come from)
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:49:36 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division


 
  The Mark Goodyear Session is a "live" session broadcast on BBC Radio 1 in the UK, as is the John Peel Session which is more widely known.  Mark Goodyear plays generally more commercial indie music in the early evening, every weekday night and John Peel plays the more underground music of the indie scene from about 11pm to 1am.

  The sessions occur quite regularly and have been going for years.  Every now and again an album of a bands recording is released eg Queen in the 70s etc.  Some excellent sessions have come from this eg Pavement`s recent John Peel Session.

  Okay ?


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From: grove@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Paddy Grove)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Help:Ride/Charlatans
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:12:37 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK

Hi all,

    I know that Ride & The Charlatans are doing a/some gig(s) somewhere in
the UK sometime in March, but don't know the venue(s) or date(s). Can someone
PLEASE let me know the details (email preferred). I'm not too bothered about
Ride, but I don't want to miss the Charlatans.

    Thanx in advance,

        Paddy

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From: let@raccoon.cis.ufl.edu (Luis E. Torres)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Cetu Javu information wanted
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:15:49 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I'm looking for information (discographies, album names, anything)
regarding Cetu Javu. If anyone can help me, please email me at
let@cis.ufl.edu. Thanks!

Luis Torres
let@cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Jazz Butcher  Condition Blue
From: ()
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:33:03 -0600
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Distribution: world

In article <1993Jan6.012722.11138@rick.dgbt.doc.ca>,
chrisc@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Chris Camfield) wrote:
> 
> In article <1id1cbINNgh2@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:
> >
> >I really like the album.  It's smooth and suave as JB's ever been.  It's a
> >whole lot better than Cult of the Basement and I realized why.  You see,
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 		       What is this?  Never heard of this (album, or
> 		       whatever) !!  - please explain?
> 
> >it's becuase Max Eider (Mr. Fabulous Guitar Player Extrodanaire) left the
> >band after ? "Gotta let this hen out"  (?!?)  and on "Cult of the Basement"
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	      Same here... when did this come out?
> 
> >JB doesn't know what to do without ME's shimmering guitar work.  But
> >"Condition Blue" has moved beyond ME's guitar and created a great sound of
> >it's own.
> 
> My only complaint with CB is that there aren't any lyrics printed, and
> I can't understand half the words.  My favourite album point goes down
> for Big Planet Scary Planet... I like the Spooky single/radio session
> too :)
> -- 
> Chris Camfield (chrisc@debra.dgbt.doc.ca)
>  "So piece by piece we lay foundations
>   Of the stuff we use for language
>   It is awkward, it is dirty, but it's all we've got to work with" (JB)



nothing compares to Jazz Butcher's song "She's on Drugs"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Pulse@sound.demon.co.uk (Kelvin Lawson)
Subject: Mailing list list!
Reply-To: Pulse@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:49:42 +0000

Could someone please post (or mail me) a list of mailing lists (related to this
newsgroup of course!)

Cheers

                  -//-> Pulse@Sound.Demon.Co.UK <-\\-
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: watpod83@alfred.carleton.ca (Robert Telka)
Subject: Re: new order / depeche mode tour?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:58:45 GMT

In <Jan.6.12.07.02.1993.7128@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:

>i heard rumours that these two groups would be touring this summer.
>together, that is.

>is this true?  can anyone give any information?

According to the Ceremony mailing list, this information is no longer
a rumour -- it is true.  However, spokesmen (or is it spokespeople?)
for both bands would not actually confirm (or deny) when asked.

When NO and DM tour, look for a fairly extensive North American tour
coming to a city near you!!

Robert Telka
School of Computer Science
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada