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From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:27:42 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute

In my infinite foolishness, after 15 years unicycling, and only 6 months 
bicycling, I'm gonna try the cross-country thang!  I still haven't budgeted, 
trained, or bought maps.  But hey, I've got til mid-April...  Why do now what I 
can put off til the last minute?  ;-)  I've talked to several people who've 
said, "If you train, you'll enjoy the ride more.  If you don't, you'll spend a 
few weeks in Hell, and then *MAYBE* start enjoying the ride."  So, I hope to 
get some long-ish trips in before I leave, but I seem to be rather 
disorganized.

I did, however, join a few organizations in the hopes that it will help.

So what's the EASIEST route?  ;-)

Wish me luck.  I'll need every scrap of it.  (No flames, please.  I know it's 
foolish.)
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From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:05:41 GMT
Organization: Huh?

CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:
>So what's the EASIEST route?  ;-)

Spend as much time in the plains as possible??

I think the easiest continental divide crossing in on I-80 in Wyoming.  I
was there a couple years ago and it is FLAT.  It is OK to bike on the
interstate in Wyoming.  This route is DULL.

You can avoid most of the climbing in the east by staying near the Great
Lakes.  Cross Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio as far north as possible.  Stay
near Lake Ontario and the Mohawk across New York.  Pennsylvania is hilly.  I
haven't been there (except in Pennsylvania) but I expect crossing the
Appalachians anywhere will be have steep climbs.  My says this is true in
Virginia.

This route that I proposed is also the least scenic.  I would pick the most
scenic route and not worry about the hills.

al.
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Climb Mt. San Bruno
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:06:31 GMT

While running a New Years Day race up Mt. San Bruno, just south of San
Francisco, I rediscovered the magnificent panorama available from the
top of that ridge.  (See my article in rec.bicycles.racing for an
account of the race.)  I recommend hiking or biking to the top of that
mountain to enjoy the view.

While waiting for the race stragglers I noted that the following views,
among others, are available from this hilltop:
  the Farallone Islands about 30 miles out in the Pacific,
  Point Reyes to the North, separated from the rest of the mainland by
    a notch where the San Andreas Fault goes through,
  the Golden Gate,ok+'67b
  the towers of San Francisco, which used to be called "Baghdad-by-the-
    Bay" before that name acquired negative connotations,
  Mt. Tamalpais, the birthplace of mountain biking,
  Angel Island (the Ellis Island of the West),
  Alcatraz with its dingy prison buildings still intact,
  Five bridges crossing the Bay,
  Mt. Diablo towering over Berkeley and Oakland,
  Mt. Hamilton with ancient Lick Observatory on top, now mostly
    useless because of the lights and air pollution emanating from the
    Bay Area.
  Mt. Umunhum, Loma Prieta (home of the '89 earthquake) and the Santa
    Cruz Mountains to the south.

There are trails up the sides of Mt. San Bruno from all directions,
but I'm not sure whether they are open to bicycles.  There is one
paved road, not open to public cars, that leads to some microwave
towers at the West end of the ridge.  That road comes out of a park on
the North side of the mountain, off Guadalupe Parkway.

Try it, you'll like it!
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From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun ))
Subject: Re: Missoula, Montana to Edmonton, Alberta ride?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:45:10 GMT

ericf@soul.tv.tek.com (Eric Feign) writes:

>Hi all.  My wife and I heard recommendations for a Missoula to Edmonton
>ride during a recent tour we went on.  Unfortunately, we didn't press for
>details.  Has anyone ridden this route?  We picked up a set of AAA maps
>(I hear you chuckling) for the area, but they're not very detatailed.  Can
>anyone recommend a book that might cover this route, or parts of it, for
>bicyclists, nameley the Banff or Jasper park areas?  Is there such a thing as
>a department of the Canadian tourist office (or whatever it may be called)
>that deals with bicycle rides, touring, maps, camping, etc?  I would greatly
>appreciate any hints as to where I might write. Thank you,

>e-mail:		ericf@tv.tv.TEK.COM

I think that maybe you should call an organization named Bikecentennial
that is headquartered in Missoula Montana.  They have the BEST maps that
a bicycle tourist could possibly want.  Guess what?! They have the exact
two maps that you are looking for! 

Call them at 1-800-933-1116 and ask for the Complete Great Parks North
Route set of 2 maps.  This is item number BC-121 and cost to members is
$8.95 and cost to non-members is $10.95.  Here's the verbal description
that they give about this route:

Great Parks North Bicycle Route (750 miles)
Discover the splendor of the northern Rockies.  This popular two-section
Bikecentennial route guides you from Missoula, Montana to Jasper, Alberta
in the heart of the Canadian Rockies.  You'll pass through five national
parks: Glacier, Waterton, Kootenai, Banff, and Jasper.

Sounds like a great ride!  Let us know how you like it!

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From: pamela@keps.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: century-a-month challenge (REPOST)
Organization: KEPS Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:18:25 GMT

Dear fellow rec.bicycles.rides readers

(This appeared previously at the end of my november century report)

Over the past year, I have received lots of letters from people saying
they would like to try a century-a-month challenge. For those that I
haven't lost with my complaints of snow and weariness, I offer the
first annual rec.bicycles.rides century-a-month challenge.

It's simple. Ride at least one century in each calendar month of the
year.  Then tell us about it. Post a ride report which includes a
brief description of the route, the weather, the people who rode, the
people you met, the animals you saw, the breakdowns you had, and the
FUN you had. I'll keep a list of those participating, and update and
post it at the end of each month. It is a great way to stay in shape
year round, and it will generate some interesting reading in this
group.

Any takers... 

BTW, For those attempting their first winter century in January, who
want some cold weather cycling tips, send me email (or see some of my
old ride reports)


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                    pamela@keps.com
KEPS, 164 Lexington Road                          12 down, I'm done
Billerica, MA 01821-3984                          time to start over!
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From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:51:10 GMT

In article <01010064.l5frup@titipu.resun.com> ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid) writes:
><MRS9@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> Is the Bikecentennial route a good one?
>
>Note that there are now three (count them, 3) Bikecentennial coast-to-coast
>routes -- the "old standard", the Northern Tier, and the new southern route.
>
  
I did the eastern third of the TransAmerica Trail, but if I were going
to try it again, I think I'd do the Northern Tier route.

Have fun, Dan
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From: rcarter@gaudi.nas.nasa.gov (Russell L. Carter)
Subject: Re: Whats in Phoenix Arizona
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:04:37 GMT

I spent three years in Phoenix, the first one racing full time,
and have since spent three years in the Bay Area.  I really enjoyed
the clubs and racing atmosphere, it's much more of friendly informal
gathering at races and training rides than I've seen in the Bay Area.
(Fast) bicyclists here in the Bay Area are downright snotty a lot of time,
rarely so in Phoenix/Tuscon.  On the other hand, there's the heat.
Very rarely does anyone in AZ complain about how hot it is, but
don't believe that it's not a problem! (Sometimes they say that
it's er, a trifle warm...)  Regular club rides in Phoenix start
at 6:00 AM on the dot for 6 months a year, Saturdays and Sundays
included.  I got a little tired of that, but there's really
no alternative, unless you enjoy riding in 105 degrees, slight
sheen of sweat covering your scantilly clad body, dust storm
bearing down... yep, it really happened, and more than once.

There's a lot of spectacular riding within an hour's driving
distance of Phoenix, but then there's the yahoos and drunks
as well.  I had a couple of bottles, and a big gulp full of ice
thrown at me from passing cars, several semis passing in the 
oncoming lane when riding the backside of South Mountain, a
gun pulled on me in Tempe, a carload of drunks assaulting
five of us at 5:45 AM on a Sunday (we found some landscaping
rocks and destroyed their car) and other conflicts
born out of stupidity or just plain evilness.  I've never
seen anything like that here.  But the people were so
nice to ride with...  All told it wasn't too bad, an incident
every few months or so.

The mountain biking can be spectacular or horrendous, depending
on the weather.  My first time up South Mountain started toward
noon on July 4th, silly, silly, stupid me.  Later rides, including
nighttime ones, were glorious.  I go to Moab more often now,
but I still go back to Phoenix to ride South Mountain occasionally.

Oh, and I forgot to talk about the climbs, but that's a thread
by itself.

Russell
From: purdy@tekgen.bv.tek.com (John T. Purdy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: West Coast to East Coast Ride info wanted
Keywords: Trans America tour info wanted
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:25:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Hello net bike tourers,

After looking at the different bicycling news groups I decided to post
this request for information here.  I hope its the right place. :)

While in jr. high I had a dream about riding across the country.
At the time I was riding about 1000 miles a year, which I thought was
a lot. Since that time 25 years ago I have been in an out of cycling.
The last couple of years have been, a "back in to cycling" period,
and I've noticed the dream I had in jr. high has returned.  I'm
riding maybe only 2000 miles a year now but I feel up for the adventure.

In my dream I see myself taking a short ride out to the Oregon Coast, 
putting my left big toe in the Pacific Ocean, then riding for many, many
days to poke my right big toe in the Atlantic Ocean.

I know that alot of people do this sort of thing with just a credit card,
buying all their meals, and staying in hotels, but this is an old dream,
I think before they had credit cards.  I imagine a leasurely tour two
to three months, preparing my own food, and tent camping at night.

I'd like suggestions on:

 o  northern routes other than the Bike Cenetenial routes.  

 o  East coast destinations suitable for poking a big toe in the Atlantic.

 o  considerations of weather for different months of the summer in
    different parts of the country.

 o  how to get maps suitable for bicycling.

 o  your basic list of "what ever you do don't forget to bring this ..."
        Clothes
        Tools, Parts
        Cooking gear
        Camping gear
	Cycling gear
	10 essentials ???

 o  how and where to find camping places in the middle of tim buk too.

 o  people to talk to, or books to read, by people who have done similar
    style rides.

 o  training hints

 o  Bikes ...  Road bike vs Touring bike vs Mountain bike 

 o  Since you're there, you might as well stop and see ...

Please reply to email to   John.T.Purdy@tek.com

I will post a summary of info.

Thanks,
John Purdy
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:24:51 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <1992Dec29.010541.24495@rbc.uucp> al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) writes:
>
>I think the easiest continental divide crossing in on I-80 in Wyoming.  I
>was there a couple years ago and it is FLAT.  It is OK to bike on the
>interstate in Wyoming.  This route is DULL.
>
While the sections of I-80 in wyoming may be flat, there exists about
a 3000 foot climb from Salt Lake City past Park City toward the
border at Evanston.  This section is definetly not FLAT by anyone's
standards.  It may be argued that the Wasatch range is not really
part of the Continental Divide, but that is being nit picky.

Also, I suspect that I-80 through Wyoming may appear flat in a car,
but in actuality has some genuine climbs that a cyclist would notice.

Bruce


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mprender@jscprofs.nasa.gov(Mike Prendergast)
Subject: '93 Vacation Plans - Seeking Wisdom
Organization: nasa/jsc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:46:30 GMT

Bicycling Vacation '93

My wife and I are beginning to think about places to visit in '93.

We want to go Mt biking for about 7 days.  We have come up with a wish list for
the trip.

Places:
	1) Oregon
	2) Yosemite
	3) Utah
	4) Colorado  (The Colorado Trial)
	(We will choose one)

Type of riding:
	Off-road, mostly single track.

Accommodations:  camping(in a dry climate) otherwise cabins, 
hotels,. . . 

Other: 
	Since we usually take a group, non-cycling activities are needed.
	Date:  Spring time (May).
	Has anyone taken a supported off-road vacation?  How was it?


If you have info on any of the places listed, we would like to hear about your
experiences.  

Thanks,

Mike Prendergast
mprender@jscprofs.nasa.gov
From: cc557@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael James Wurtz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: rides in San Deigo
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:35:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A buddy of mine is going to be in SD around Christmas and 
was wondering about a good Mtn Bike ride.  he will have slicks
on his bike so nothing 100% hard.  I also suggested REI for Beta
on good rides.  If possible, he (I) need the info by about 4:30
MST monday. thanking all in advanced for replies on such short 
notice.
-- 
Michael J. Wurtz
Assistant Archivist, Sharlot Hall Museum Library and Archives
Prescott, Arizona    cc557@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: drt@pdh.com (Doug R. Thomas)
Subject: Boise, Id rides
Reply-To: drt@pdh.com
Organization: PDH, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:08:13 GMT

I am looking for ride routes, on and off road in the Boise area.  Scenic,  
hills and minimal traffic.  Any suggestions?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: naumann@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Riders wanted - June Puget Sound --> Mpls
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:50:35 GMT

There's no law that says a transcontinental ride has to be done in one year. 
Two experienced male cyclists, in their 50s, are seeking companions for an 
unsupported tour this coming summer.  We will follow the BikeCentennial 
Northern Tour route from Anacortes, Washington, over the Cascades, and 
through Glacier/Waterton International Park and on through Montana, North 
Dakota and Minnesota.  The plan is to ride unsupported, mostly camping with 
an occasional motel stay.  We expect to average 85 miles per day, making it 
about a 25 day ride.  We will start sometine during the second half of June,
but have not yet set a firm date.  Ideally, we would like to have a group of 
4 to 6 persons.  If there are two more from the Midwest we'll rent a van to 
get to Anacortes.

For more information please E-mail to Dave Naumann, dnaumann@csom.umn.edu.



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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: tips for long winter rides
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:50:55 GMT

More good stuff from Pam.  I have saved copies of more postings from Pam
than all the other articles I have saved combined.  Did that come out right?
-Terry
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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Re: December Century - Finally
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:23:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec20.205431.1534@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>
>Thanks for letting me share my year with you. I'm really looking
>forward to reading all those ride reports from people taking part in
>the first rec.bicycles.rides century-a-month challenge.

Thank you for sharing them with us, Pamela. They're inspiring. Your posts
have gotten me on the road when I was lacking motivation more than
once.

BTW you should look into getting these published.
From: foltz@as.arizona.edu (Craig B. Foltz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Whats in Phoenix Arizona
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: foltz@as.arizona.edu
Organization: MMT Observatory, Univ.of Arizona

In article 17079@athena.mit.edu, august@athena.mit.edu (Susan K. Raisty) writes:
>Is anyone out there from Arizona?  
>
>...  How do you deal with the heat?
>

In re the heat:  Although Tucson is slightly cooler than Phoenix (and a damn
sight better place to live), it still gets quite warm in the Summer months. 
Although this is compensated in part by delightful winters, it can still be
quite opressive.  Even the evenings can be too hot to ride in July and August.
My solution (quite obvious really) is to ride in the morning.  Arizona does not
go on daylight savings time, so the Sun comes up early.  Plan to ride between
5:30 and 9:00 AM -- it's really beautiful here at that time of day.

The mountain bike possibilities are endless.  In Tucson, nobody stares at lycra-
clad cyclists; in Phoenix, they probably do -- they're all overweight midwesterners
there who refuse to live without lawns.

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From: cadex@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ultra Design)
Subject: Re: Mtn. Biking In California
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:13:42 GMT


	Hello fellow mountainbikers,

	I am from Washington state, and I am looking for some rides in
	Northern California, and San Francisco area this Christmas break!

	Please help me.

	I will do the same for you if you want to do some here.  I will
	even take you to some of the best spots.

	Thanks in advance!

	DEDICATED MOUNTAINBIKER.

	

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From: rajacobs@plg.uwaterloo.ca (Rory Jacobs)
Subject: Re: century-a-month challenge (REPOST)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.201825.2119@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>Dear fellow rec.bicycles.rides readers
>
>(This appeared previously at the end of my november century report)
>
>Over the past year, I have received lots of letters from people saying
>they would like to try a century-a-month challenge. For those that I
>haven't lost with my complaints of snow and weariness, I offer the
>first annual rec.bicycles.rides century-a-month challenge.
>

Would a Roller Century count?  The weather today: a pleasent high
of -12 C (10 F) with 40 kmh (25 mph) North West winds.  Honest I'd ride
the Rollers with the Mag Unit on High...

-Rory

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From: A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke)
Subject: PHOENIX
Organization: Motorola
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:30:27 MST

   Having lived in the metro Phoenix area for 5 years now, I can say
that this is one of the better places for a cyclist to live. The roads
thru the city may be the only negative but that issue has recently been
addressed by the addition of new bike lanes. But just outside the metro
area is some of the best cycling around - both road and mountain. Great
parks and reservations not to mention a canal system that stretches the
entire valley. The heat is another story. Hope you own a trainer or
rollers. And the climbs! There are several quality bike shops here in
the valley that can provide you with all the info you need:
   Bike Masters
   Bicycle Outfitters
   Domenic's
   Tempe Bike
These are just a few but are by far the better shops. Go straight to
any one or all of these when you get here.
From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Solvang/Santa Maria route question
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:57:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsd.edu

I'm looking for information on the differences between the Solvang
start/finish and Santa Maria start/finish courses for the 1993 Solvang/
Santa Maria Century.  Do both courses share the same route for any
distance?  I know the towns are 30 miles or so apart.  Can anyone comment
on the relative difficulty of the courses?  Solvang and Buellton hotels are 
long since sold out so we are thinking about selecting the Santa Maria start 
(limit of 2000 riders) instead of Solvang (4000 rider limit), but we'd like to
know whether there is anything unusual (good or bad) about each course.

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu 
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