HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Bay airports suck
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:01:31 GMT

In article <BxL2t1.n31@wrs.com> pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) writes:
>Do you realize that neither Oakland nor San Francisco airports have any 
>motorcycle parking.

I knew SFO didn't, because I asked last month.  Pretty dreadful.

There's at least one covered parking lot near SFO.  They're pretty
expensive for cars, but they might have a motorcycle rate.  I don't
remember the name, but they're in the phone book. 

You might also check the San Jose airport.  Not as convenient, but the
parking was cheaper than SFO the last time I parked there.  They might have
a motorcycle rate.  I don't remember whether they have covered parking. 

That's good news about the LA airport, even though I'm not likely to want
to park there. 


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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:28:31 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <s9ei5f4@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
>Besides Skyline, where do you all ride on weekends?  Where
>are those cool roads?

Way back when I bought my first motorcycle, I invested in the complete
set of Rand-McNally maps for the Bay Area.  Everything from Santa Cruz 
to Napa.  I would look for roads that had lots of squigglies, and not 
many intersections.  Roads marked "Scenic Drive" were a bonus.
It worked for me.

Whenever I got there, though, there was always a bunch of motorcycles.
I just recently discovered that there is a hole in the coverage of the
Rand-McNally maps.  I went there to check it out, found a bunch of great
roads, and, curiously enough, I didn't see a single motorcycle.

Funny, huh?

>I'm looking for a fun weekend ride that'll stretch my
>newbie abilities a bit without overwhelming them.  

I wouldn't ride on Skyline, then.  You'll see people doing things that will
put imprudent ideas in your head (speaking from personal experience :-( ).


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From: Mark S. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Concord Kawasaki
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:33:35 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:39:27 GMT

Little report about these guys...

I took my bike in for routine service a few weeks ago (valve check etc.)
and the bike ran really well afterward.  The other day,  I took off
the lower fairing and noticed that they had replaced one of the fairing
bolts (hex) with a large Phillips head screw.  They also replaced the
plastic "grommet" with a little plastic washer that really didn't fit 
very well.

I think it's really lame that they actually (somehow) lost parts from
my bike and replaced them with totally different parts.  I'm not a 
great mechanic but at least I don't lose stuff!

Just felt like bitching and moaning a bit.

BTW, they also adjusted the idle too high (1500, should be 1000).  I
know this is a little thing, but they're a Kawasaki *dealer*!  They 
should know about these things!

Happy riding.

- Mark
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 '90 Ninja 750
Novell Inc.			                
1340 Treat Blvd. #300             "I'd rather live than just imagine..." 
                     
Walnut Creek, CA 94596 	                                 - Y. Malmsteen
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: CAL Proof of Insurance
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:13:57 GMT

In article <Bx86Ho.Kpr@well.sf.ca.us> fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe) writes:

>My insurance agent told me today that California motorcyclists do not have
>to carry proof of insurance. Huh? This goes against everything I had heard.
>What's the deal?

     This is true.  As of January 1, 1992, an officer may no longer require
proof of insurance when he stops you.  Now you only need it when you get
into an accident.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: CAL Proof of Insurance
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:12:17 GMT

In article <Bx86Ho.Kpr@well.sf.ca.us> fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe) writes:
>
>My insurance agent told me today that California motorcyclists do not have
>to carry proof of insurance. Huh?...

  Is this some sort of test?
  If not, what else does your insurance agent sell?
  Does he have a phone number for claims that starts with 01154?
  Well, how's this for a data point: the DMV won't even let you take
your riding exam without proof of insurance.
  What did Ed say on rec.moto about helmet laws and pigs?
  No, no, _flying_ pigs...
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)
Subject: Bay airports suck
Organization: Wind River Systems, Alameda CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:24:37 GMT

Do you realize that neither Oakland nor San Francisco airports have any 
motorcycle parking.

Not only that but at Oakland you can't even park in the short term parking.  
Either they are concerned that you will not pay and just sneek, out or they 
just don't like motorcycles.  The only "option" is to park in the long term 
parking and pay full car-price of course.

That's totally stupid if you ask me.

For comparison, Los Angeles LAX has free covered motorcycle parking.

It almost worth the trip just to use the parking.

Any other suggestions?

- Patrick

-- 
 Patrick Boylan, Consulting Engineer, FAE Asia/Pacific
 Wind River Systems
 1010 Atlantic Ave. Alameda, CA  94501
 email: pat@wrs.com   tel: (510)748-4100   fax: (510)814-2010
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:19:07 GMT
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Distribution: ba
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University

I probably won't come.  Politeness would require me to restrict myself
to a shorter comment than would suffice for the demolishment of
Dreyfus, and Printer's Inc. probably would not appreciate comments
that would reduce the immediate sale of the book.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: acm@btr.btr.com (SF Bay Area ACM  acm@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: 11/12/92 ACM - Windows NT Architecture -Micrsoft's R.Barth
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:09:24 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM


San Francisco Bay Area Chapter of ACM Meeting 11/12/92.
Microsoft Windows NT Architecture Richard Barth

Topic
The speaker will discuss the technology trends and underlying architecture of
Windows NT.  NT's modern and robust architecture encompasses a scalable design
allowing portability across multiple platforms.

Place and Times
Thursday, November 12 1992               5:30 p.m..Council Meeting
The Bold Knight of Sunnyvale             6:15 p.m..No-host Cocktails
769 N. Mathilda Avenue                   6:45 p.m..Dinner
Sunnyvale                                8:00 p.m..Speaker 
                                                   (everyone* is invited)

Speaker
Rich Barth joined Microsoft in April of 1990 and is currently the Product
Manager for Windows NT.  As such he is responsible for planning the Windows NT
product 

Prior to this, Mr. Barth was Product Manager for Microsoft 's LAN Manager.  He
has also worked as a Program Manager in the US. Air Force. 

Mr. Barth has a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from The
US. Naval Academy and a Master of Science in Management degree from MIT Sloan
School of Management.

Dinner
Dinner will be a choice of Chicken Riganati or London Broil. Cost, for members
and guests with reservations, is $16 per person. For all others, the cost is
$18. Wine will be served with dinner. Please indicate your dinner choice when
making your reservation.

Please call (408) 277-0480 for last minute information and to make your
reservations. Users of e-mail (Unix Internet) will find this meeting announced
under the heading ba.seminars. They can send reservations, dinner choice, and
other information to the Chapter at acm@btr.com. No confirmation of your
reservation will be sent.

Deadline for reservations is Wednesday, November 11th. Reservations can be
canceled before noon on the 12th.

Directions
>From 101, take Mathilda Avenue  exit heading south. The Bold Knight is one block
down on the right side.

*  You are welcome to come after dinner.just to hear the speaker.but PLEASE call
the reservation number. We need to be sure we have ample room. Currently, there
is no charge to you for coming to hear the speaker. No confirmation of your
reservation will be sent.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Nov10.051326.24729@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: ba
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:25:03

I went by the bookstore to check whether Dreyfus has a new book
or this is just a reprint of the old one.  The amusing fact is
that Printer's Inc. doesn't have any either in Mountain View
or in Palo Alto and very likely won't by Thursday.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: johnson@cats.ucsc.edu (Tim Johnson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: Computer Virus Seminar
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:34:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsco.ucsc.edu


**ANNOUNCING AN EVENT AT COMPUTER LITERACY BOOKSHOPS**

------------------------------------------------------
   COMPUTER VIRUSES: THE EXPERT'S SECRETS REVEALED
------------------------------------------------------

MARK LUDWIG, the author of the LITTLE BLACK BOOK OF
COMPUTER VIRUS, will discuss the following issues...

1.)  What is a virus and how do they work.
2.)  Are viruses a real threat to you.
3.)  How anti-viral products work, what types are available.
4.)  How to select an anti-viral product.
5.)  How to put that product to work.
6.)  How to learn about virus technology first hand.
7.)  How to stay on top of new developments.


Date:  Friday, November 13th, 1992
Time:  6:30 pm - 8:00 pm


Location: Computer Literacy Bookshops
          2590 North First Street (At Trimble)
          San Jose
          (408) 435-1118


Stay tuned!!!!  There are more events to come.

Events at our stores are always FREE!!!!!!!!


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From: fhd@panix.com (Frank Deutschmann)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:23:49 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


If some interesting conversation occurs at this event, could someone
fortunate enough to attend please summarize it for those of us who are
less fortunate (and stuck on the wrong coast)?

-frank

-- 
-frank
(fhd@panix.com)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:49:12 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: ba
Originator: clin@analog.eng.umd.edu


    It looks like some e-mail somehow got posted to this group.....

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: gerri@cse.ucsc.edu (Gerri McLellan)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,ucsc.baskin.general
Subject: UCSC CE/CIS Research Seminar 12/10/92
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: ba ucsc
NNTP-Posting-Host: rio.ucsc.edu

UC Santa Cruz:		Computer & Information Sciences, and
			Computer Engineering

RESEARCH SEMINAR:	Thursday, December 10, 1992, 10:30 - 11:30 AM
			Room 156, Applied Sciences Building
			Refreshments at 10:15 AM

Mike Kupfer, Sun Microsystems will speak on "Sprite on Mach 3.0"

Abstract:

Sprite is a distributed operating system that supports a fast
single-image network file system and transparent process migration.
Over a period of 19 months we ported Sprite to run as a server on top
of the Mach 3.0 microkernel.  Although the resulting server does not
implement some Sprite features, it is able to run in an existing
Sprite cluster, and it supports standard UNIX programs like vi, gcc,
and make.

Porting Sprite to Mach was generally straightforward, though there
were some difficulties.  Many of the problems were related to
asynchronous interactions between the Sprite server, Mach, and Sprite
user processes.  Others resulted from trying to maintain native
Sprite's internal interfaces in the Sprite server.

Although machine-dependent code accounts for 14% of the source lines
in the Sprite kernel, it accounts for only 1% of the source lines in
the Sprite server.  We believe that this will significantly simplify
porting Sprite to new hardware platforms.  Unfortunately, the Sprite
server runs the Andrew benchmark at 38% of the speed of native Sprite.
None of the performance problems appear insurmountable, but they could
require a long time to track down and fix.










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From: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:13:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

In article <JMC.92Nov9171907@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

>I probably won't come.  Politeness would require me to restrict myself
>to a shorter comment than would suffice for the demolishment of
>Dreyfus, and Printer's Inc. probably would not appreciate comments
>that would reduce the immediate sale of the book.

I'll probably go.  Will my reputation for bashfulness precede me?  : )

						Matt Ginsberg
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: ed@weir.pa.dec.com (Ed Gould)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
Subject: Re: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:15:53 GMT
Reply-To: ed@pa.dec.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC Network Systems Lab, Palo Alto

> Printers Inc. is having Hubert Dreyfus (UC B?) speak ...

Mention of Dreyfus always reminds me of an incident that happened at a
Computer Science Colloquium some years ago on the Berkeley Campus.
This particular Colloquium was a panel, pro and con, on the notion of
Artificial Intelligence.  There were two panelists on each side; the
only one who I particularly remember was Dreyfus, on the "con" side, of
course.

Dreyfus made his usual argument that computers cannot be intelligent.
I understand his argument to be, essentially (having only heard him
speak, not read any of his writings), that computers can't be
socialized as humans, therefore they can't think like humans, therefore
they can't be intelligent.  One of the "pro" panelists asked at one
point, didn't this argument mean, essentially, "that for a 747 to fly,
it had to be able to mate with a sparrow?"

Dreyfus grabbed the microphone to respond, pulled it in front of his
face, and opened his mouth.  But nothing came out.  It was the only
time anyone I know can remember seeing him speechless.

--
Ed Gould	  ed@pa.dec.com		Digital Equipment Corporation
+1 415 688 1309	  Network Systems Lab	181 Lytton Ave, Palo Alto, CA  94301

"Unison is only one form of harmony." -- LW
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.human-factors,comp.groupware,comp.cog-eng
From: lora@askinc.ASK.COM (Lora Shirley)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: OSF/Motif Developer's Mtg:  November 18
Keywords: OSF Motif X11
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:53:49 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.


              OSF/Motif Developers Meeting: November 18

  Please join us at a jointly sponsored meeting of the OSF/Motif
  Developers and Drinking Society and the BayCHI OSF/Motif BOF.
  The meeting is at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, November 18

  This month, we revive the "drinking" part of the OSF/Motif
  Developers and *Drinking* Society. Research for a proper location
  for such an event has been conducted, resulting in the selection
  of:

   The Tied House
   954 Villa 
   Mountain View.  
  (Located close to the intersection of Central Expressway and Castro in MV.)

  "Developing" will also be addressed at the Tied House.  Bring your
  burning questions and issues about Motif, X, Unix, etc. for a lively
  round table discussion.
  
  See you there! 


  About the Santa Clara Valley OSF/Motif groups:
  *********************************************

  The Silicon Valley OSF/Motif Developers and Drinking Society and
  BayCHI's OSF/Motif BOF (Birds-of-a-Feather) group are two Bay
  area groups that hold monthly meetings to discuss Motif
  development issues.  The topics discussed include: releases and
  features of the Motif toolkit, X11, UI builders, and products
  developed using Motif.

  The meetings are open to the public.  There are no membership or
  admission fees.

  A joint planning committee schedules the meetings.  If you would like to
  discuss a topic of interest to this group, please contact Lora Shirley
  415-335-5288.


  Upcoming Meeting Dates:
  ********************************************

  December:   No meeting
  
  Wednesday, January 20, 1993   NCD,  339 N. Bernardo St.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: SEF UNIX SIG, Tuesday Nov. 10 (Repost)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:48:53 GMT

                Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

               UNIX SIG, November 10: UNIX Networking


NEW Pre-Meeting Networking Dinner - SEE BELOW FOR DETAILS

Bob Lyons, CTO and Founder, Legato Systems, will speak on "UNIX Net-
working: A Guru's Perspective."

Bob Lyons will be the last in our Fall series of notable and quotable
local UNIX entrepreneurs.  Prior to founding Legato, Bob developed the
Network File System (NFS) at Sun Microsystems.  As we know, NFS is a
virtual standard in the industry.  Lyons left Sun because he saw an
opportunity to develop networking software and peripherals for Sun work-
stations.  Sun became Legato's first OEM and today sells many Legato
products.  Lyons will tell us how he came to found Legato, what it's
like being a CTO/founder, and will bring us up to date on UNIX network-
ing technology.  

Legato Systems will also demonstrate products.

November UNIX SIG Meeting
=========================

Refreshments: Gratis Legato
Date:         Tuesday, November 10, 1992
Place:        Digital Equipment Corporation
              800 West El Camino Real, Mountain View
              (Corner of Castro and El Camino Real)
Time:         7:00 - 9:15
Cost:         Free for SEF members, $7 for non-members
Information:  Priscilla Rowe, Very Good Communications
              415/546-4950    verygood3@aol.com
SEF Info:     415/854-7219

New Activity - Pre-Meeting Networking Dinner

We've arranged with Harry's Hofbrau to have a no-host pre-SIG networking
meeting.  This will be an opportunity to meet and learn more about each
other.  Hopefully, great ideas will spring.  We'll be meeting in the back
room, so purchase your meal and join us.  

Pre-SIG Dinner
==============

Place:        Harry's Hofbrau
              399 West El Camino Real, Mountain View
              (2 blocks south of DEC, on the other side of ECR)
Time:         5:30 - 6:45
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.ai,talk.environment
Subject: 11/11 8 pm Hubert Dreyfus: Why Machines Still aren't smart
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:22:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Printers Inc. is having Hubert Dreyfus (UC B?) speak on the
reissuing of his AI criticism book (Why Machines...).
Mountain View store on Castro, Veteran's Day (11/11/92) 8 PM.

This is noted here because McCarthy also reads this group,
and because I spoke to Marvin Minsky on Saturday (Marvin is in town
for Eric Drexler's Nanotech conference), and there is a small chance
Marvin will come.  This could be interesting.

Printers Inc.: as noted in the SJ Merc, West magazine article "Geek Love"
Nov. 1, 1992.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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