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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet Methods
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Nov9.232539.3023@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov7.025014.16979@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>>In article <16896DE56.MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com> MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>>>Have any of you tried the Deal-a-Meal Plan by Richards Simmons?  Did you have
>>>>success?  I recently started the Plan and have lost 10 lbs. in 3weeks!!
>
>>>Isn't a loss of more than 2 pounds a week considered dangerous ?
>
>Depends.  Typically on a "normal" diet for a slightly overweight person, 
>weight loss more than 2lbs a week is often water weight (glycogen stores 
>are carbs stored in water--when the body deficits calories, the glycogen 
>gets used and the water excreted--this comes back when you go off the diet).
>
>For a very heavy person, it would be possible to lose more than 2 safely--
>I lost 4 a week (average) for 20+weeks on a medically-supervised fast.

I think that *maybe* the word average is key.  When I look back on
my WW books, I have many weeks (not just at the beginning) when I
lost 4 lbs or more and many where I lost 1 lb or less (and some
gains of course).  These average out to somewhere around 1.5-2 lbs
a week.  But there are very few weeks where I actually lost in the
range of 1.5 - 2 lbs!

Margot

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From: glamkin@world.std.com (Gerald Lamkin)
Subject: Double chin
Summary: Any Exercises?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:20:59 GMT

I'm inthe midst of a successful weight watchers diet. I've lost 20 lbs
with another 30 to go. The posblem is the double chin. It seems not to be
affected by the diet. any suggestions??

-- 
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I wish you well,
Gerry Lamkin
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Salad Bars
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:37:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BxMo89.oJ@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:

>Did you know baked potatoes are delicious with sliced dill pickles?
>Dill weed and pepper? Borscht? Curry sauce? Ketchup! Especially
>ketchup!

Not to mention hot, hot salsa.  Or, my SO's favorite, that
Vietnamese/Korean red chili/garlic sauce available at Chinese groceries
(caution:  a little goes a _long_ way, and my SO's mouth is probably
partially made of asbestos).

 

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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Nonfat Eating
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Summary: Anybody else out there?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:51:42 GMT


Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? Is it
appropriate to post recipes in this group? If so, has anyone got
any? Any cookbook recommendations? I can recommend two (but not
for vegans, they do use some animal products): "Healthy Eating
With No Apologies" and the sequel, "More Healthy EAting" by
Marcia Sabate Williams. There's a great seafood gumbo in there. Her
husband went on the Pritikin diet and these recipes pretty much
follow the Pritikin ideas. I follow them pretty strictly except I add
salt, which Pritikin is against but I'm not.

When I say totally nonfat, well maybe here I don't have to explain
but I'm used to having to explain it elsewhere in my life!, I mean
no oil for sauteeing, no nuts, no cheese on the pizza, no olive oil
in the spaghetti sauce, no bread or crackers made with shortening. Nada.
Nothing. El Zippo.

However, I still eat sweets like those Dole frozen fruit bars, they're
great! Sometimes I break down and get the nonfat Entenmann's. Sorry if
mentioning that brand name causes anyone out there to go off their diet.


I guess I'm interested in anyone's thoughts on this sort of diet. I'm
doing it partly to lose weight, but I try to think of it as just a much
healthier way to eat anyhow. I don't plan to go back to high-fat foods
after I lose the weight. anyway, melted cheese is kind of repulsive to
me now. Strange how not eating something for awhile makes you lose your
taste for it, sometimes.

I'm rambling! Stop me! AAAAgh.




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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: body image
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:23:34 GMT

Cory Harper Jacques (cj14+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> Any suggestions on buiding a positive body image? 

That's really tough.  I think I'll always have a distorted body image.
I lost 60 pounds and I will always see myself as kind of fat.  But
give it some time.  My image got better as time went by.  I think
some of the things that really helped were buying wonderful new clothes
in teensy sizes and knowing that I looked spiff.  Also the complements
from friends helped buoy my image.  But the minute I focus in on my
(still) pudgy thighs or ripples of cellulite, the rest of my
wonderful new body seems to pale in significance.

So often I think we look at the attribute we hate the most and base our
entire self-image upon it.  I'll probably ALWAYS have some cellulite, and
flabby thighs.  But I've also got this absurdly small waist and tiny
wrists and rather nice arms and ...

Also, make yourself more aware of how this new body FEELS and how it
fits into space better.  I was jazzed that my butt and thighs no longer
expand the entire width of the bathtub.  That I don't feel squashed into
chairs, that I can easily crawl under my desk (if I have to).  And I 
loved the way I could just launch myself off the ground, leap into the
air, and skip and bounce and sprint.  I felt, at age 33, like a little
kid in my new body. :)
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San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Simons)
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:16:13 GMT

I guess I forgot to tell you that Nora was 4 months pregnant when they 
discovered her condition.  Her doctor recommended an abortion but she 
refused to have one and her condition got quite serious by the time
Gavin was born (a million to one odds that he would be anywhere near normal,
but he is! :))

Unfortuantly to make things worse Gavin had such a severe milk alergie (sp)
that all he could drink was his mothers milk (he was mildly allergic to 
that as well).  Thus the reasons for the "unorthadox" medical approach.

Just thought I'd clear up a few things.




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From: wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:02:07
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Mon, 2 Nov 1992 20:12:34 GMT

>>>>> "Laura" == Laura Cuzzillo <cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:

Laura> Try swimming.

Ummm...  Swimming would be fine if I had my own swimming pool with a *very*
high fence.  Pity, since I can swim quite well and I agree swimming would be
an excellent all round exercise.

Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
the bullet and go anyway?

[Obligartory scales anecdote: I had a minor panic this week.  On Monday I
  seemed to weigh exactly as much as I had the previous Tuesday!!  The thought
  of having to keep this level of dieting discomfort up forever just to stay
  where I was just unbearable.  However I persuaded myself that the explanation
  could be that I was wearing winter clothes this time and summer clothes the
  previous time.  So on Tuesday I tried again wearing the lighter summer
  clothes and found I was down by lousy 3 lbs...but any loss is a loss...I
  suppose.  So I did a bit of extra exercise on Tuesday and Wednesday and
  today, Thursday, I tried again, and lo and behold I am down a futher 4.4lbs!!
  Now I'm a fully certified and paid up statistician, and I know all about
  random variation, dirunal cycles and all that malarkey, but frankly I just
  don't understand the mechanics of this weighing business.  However do I
  intend to quit just yet?  Fat chance!]

Bill.

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: smb11@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sameer M Bhasin)
Subject: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
Reply-To: smb11@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sameer M Bhasin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:02:47 GMT

		    ------------------------------
                        FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
		    ------------------------------

     		New guaranteed safe all you can eat diet.
			
                          Loose 5 to 100 pounds.
	   	      Lead by LICENSED PSYCHOLOGIST.



			     WEEKLY MEETINGS

		Call 212-489-8099 or respond to this account.
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:39:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: howard@cs.uiuc.edu
>Message-ID: <Bx9Io6.89o@cs.uiuc.edu>
>
>
>I'm not flaming mind you - but please when posting look up the
>correct way to spell - lose - not loose
>                       led  - not lead
>
>Sorry, but I really have a hard time when I keep reading in here all
>the time and people are loosing weight - or loose weight
>
>bonnie
>I am sure I will get flamed for this :{{
>
>.
 
I don't blame (flame) you, Bonnie.  It drives me nuts too.
 
I was going to point out that we already have a "free diet
support group"... alt.support.diet!!
 
TAMARA
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Sulfites
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:34:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A few months ago, someone posted a list of beers that do not
contain sulfites.  Can someone please either mail that list
to me or repost it?

Thanks,


-- 
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Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Diet Methods
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:14:42 GMT

In article <9210@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>I'm really convinced that each individual has to find an approach that
>works for him or her.  It seems that many people find the programs such
>as you mentioned to be an effective way of losing weight.  If they work
>and you're comfortable with the approach then that's the way to go.

Those "what do successful people do" articles claim that successful dieters
either develop their own plan or modify an existing one.  I suspect that
the concept of "ownership" is involved somehow.

For myself, I'm doing my own thing after a VLCD and having good success (no
weight gain after 6 months off the fast).  But it took a lot of experimenting
and a lot of perserverance.

BTW, Oprah will be doing a show on 11/11 on compulsive overeating. It sounds
like CO will finally be "recognized" -- I understand it is being added 
to DMSR III.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Aerobics Tapes for Wimpy Knees?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:59:54 GMT



I have bad knees and haven't had a problem with Kathy Smith's 
Fat-Burning aerobics tape.  It's pretty much low impact to 
start with, and there are also some modifications to a few 
exercises that they show for people with bad whatevers (knees, 
possibly backs).  

But this is just me.  If you have bad knees, you should be very
careful.  I don't know what you mean by "wimpy", but you don't
want to aggravate your knees.

I'd suggest getting a few ideas from the net or wherever (maybe
low-impact aerobic teachers would have suggestions, or a physical
therapist or orthopedic surgeon).  Then rent those tapes from your
favorite video store and watch through once before trying the workout.
Do the workout, and see how your knees feel. 


Chris
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:24:08 GMT

jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:

>Not true: there's an optimum level of food intake and going too far
>below that may be as self-defeating as going too far above it. 

Very true, in fact, those who are bulemic actually end of gaining more
weight than losing.  This is due to the body hording every bit of calorie
it can get from intake prior to purging.  This also helps explain why
someone with bulemia looks so bloated, especially in the face.  Too little
food intake causes the body to store instead of delete.

>There's an appropriate level of exercise and overdoing the exercise may be
>as bad as returning to sedentary habits.

True as well.  In addition, if one trys to increase exercise too radically,
and not progress in a slow and building manner, over-exercising can often
damage the body and cause a person to have to take much time off in order
to recuperate.

>It's tough to find that middle ground sometimes but absolutely
>necessary if a program is going to be successful.

amen.

allen
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mcfarlin@mmedia.uucp (David McFarling)
Subject: Re: Wanted: digital scale, less than 1-lb increments
Organization: Midwest Multimedia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:14:28 GMT

In <1992Nov2.020413.14651@netcom.com> hank@netcom.com (Hank Roberts) writes:


>Subject line says it. I find a number of electronic scales for sale
>but none gives increments below 1 pound. manufacturer's address/phone
>appreciated so I can look for a local distributor.

Try a postal scale available at any office supply store.  We have an
electronic job that displays both grams and oz (to tenths of an oz).

-Dave
From: wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:11:10
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: smb11@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:02:47 GMT

smb11@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes:
>
>		    ------------------------------
>                        FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
>		    ------------------------------
>
>     		New guaranteed safe all you can eat diet.
>			
>                          Loose 5 to 100 pounds.
>	   	      Lead by LICENSED PSYCHOLOGIST.
>
>			     WEEKLY MEETINGS
>
>		Call 212-489-8099 or respond to this account.

Sure.

This kind of vague promise of something for nothing makes me very angry.
Just what is it that S M Bhasin is flogging?  Some kind of religion?  a
philosophy?  snake oil?  Most importantly, why isn't it UP FRONT?

Also why send this kind of highly local message all over the world?

[Sorry to get so tetchy folks.  I don't know what came over me...;-)]
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: trauma of buying clothes
Summary: It's a problem for men too.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:45:41 GMT


The men have an even more limited selection.

Women have: Lane Bryant, PS, Plumb, and a dozen other sotres with nice names 
that I
never could interpret.

Men however have stores with flattering names like Harry's Big and Tall or
Casual Male Big and Tall
(praises here for Repp Ltd.)

These titles are probably biased towards Columbus, OH and St. Louis where I've
lived recently?


Are there any good reasonablke priced (Not Kingsize B & T!!! $60 for jeans 
please) mail order companies for bigger clothes??

I would appreciate injformation on such.

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
J.P.
email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't.
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:16:25 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Also, try getting a hot-air popcorn popper. Those little bags contain
a LOT of fat, even the slim ones. Try opening up an unpopped bag of
microwave popcorn: there's som ereally disgusting stuff inside. You
can also get a plastic popcorn popper that lets you put plain popcorn
in the microwave.
  Add popcorn salt and/or a shaker of italian or cajun seasoning (the
kind without salt and fat if you want) and you have a snack food that is
second only to celery in crunch-per-calorie. You can eat a WHOLE LOT
of plain popcorn.  
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From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Salad Bars
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:54:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morc.asd.sgi.com

In article <BxL0ws.M6H@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>Several folks have posted saying saladbars at Shoney's and such
>are a diet lifesaver. They are but only if used with caution. I guess
>you all are probably already aware of this. Out here where I live we
>have a place called "Fresh Choice" that actually offers nonfat salads
>MARKED AS SUCH! And nonfat (or rather, 98% nonfat) muffins. It's nice
>to know they have been thinking about food the same way I would if
>I was cooking it. So often I ask what the ingredients in something are,
>only to get a rather incomplete list (they forget to mention the
>onions were sauteed in oil, for example).

Second the recommendation for Fresh Choice; one of my favorite places.  Be
aware, though, that they have plenty of (relatively) high fat dressings,
butter as well as low fat spreads, etc.  I can go there and eat a *lot* and
keep the calories and fat low, or I can eat a lot less and still be off the
scale on calories.  Just because it's got a lot of healthy food doesn't mean
that you can turn your brain off and eat everything in sight.  Usually, I
don't eat anything with fat there, although I will occasionally allow myself
a *small* serving of their bread pudding with a dab of whipped topping.

A good salad bar like Fresh Choice can also be helpful in planning your at-
home meals.  Fresh Choice has a wide variety of dishes, and rotates them
on a regular basis.  We have tried a lot of dishes that we liked enough to
attempt to duplicate them at home.  One of the disadvantages of trying new
recipes is that you are often unsure of how they are supposed to taste &
look,  and places like this showcase them.

Great place to take your family, too - my four year old daughter loves it.
Be warned, though, that since they are all-you-can-eat for a reasonable
price, they are often *mobbed* at lunch and dinner times.  I try to go at
off-peak hours just to avoid the lines.
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:06:34 GMT

I have always been beach-o-phobic and terribly self-conscious about my weight
(probably to a ridiculous degree), but I have to mention the soc.motss 'con
which was held in Portland Oregon last summer.  One of the events was a day
at Rooster Rock, a clothing-optional area on the shores of the Columbia
River.  It didn't fill me with any dread, because I always knew I could
just stay fully dressed--there would undoubtedly be lots of people who
would, for one reason or another.  Well, no sooner did we get there, with
many folks already in the water, that I forgot any inhibitions I might have
had, undressed, and got into the water.  It was such a no-big-deal thing,
and very comfortable.  It was amazing how quickly you forgot that people
weren't wearing any clothes.  In fact the entire day, all any of us could
think was "Gee, why don't they have these things everywhere?"  Very healthy
(given liberal use of sunscreen) and quite liberating.  I really recommend
something like this.  When it is obvious that few qualify as an Adonis or
Venus, you quickly dump all your considerations.


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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:01:46 GMT

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>>>>>> "Laura" == Laura Cuzzillo <cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>
>Laura> Try swimming.
>
>Ummm...  Swimming would be fine if I had my own swimming pool with a *very*
>high fence.  Pity, since I can swim quite well and I agree swimming would be
>an excellent all round exercise.
>
>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?

I have - but not alone. We are five fat men who go to swim together. We call
ourself The Heavy Gentlemen and go also bicing. So try to find company - it's
much easyer that way.
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