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From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Situation in Madras
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:16:32 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <2AC346A9.27464@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>
> 	You sound as if all the 850 million people have voting right and  all
>	of them voted in the last elections against VP Singh. Everyone knows
>	how the democracy works in India. If there are 100 voters, only
>	60 vote. If there are four parties contesting (leave the independents)
>	and the votes distribution, for example, is 20, 17, 13 and 10, the
>	one with 20 votes is the winner.
>
>	VP Singh was kicked out after he tried to implement Mandal Commision
>	recommendations, thanks to the onslaught of the  upper caste dominated
>	press, for whome he was Mr. Clean till then.
>	
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu  

I fail to see what all this is supposed to mean. I don't think that 
Sundaramoorthy implies that 850 million (or whatever it is) are not
of voting age. As for the voter turnout, it is not much better in
many other democracies. (Australia has a penalty for not voting and
how is it there? Perhaps VR Kumar can comment.) VP Singh was
kicked out only because of the press (upper caste)? I don't think 
that these kinds of gratuitous self-serving allegations help anybody's 
cause.

Sthan.

PS. The Mandal commission recommendations involved much more serious
differences of opinions than you point out. You are being disngenuous
to a fault or merely posturing.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: How many Tamil Actresses are from Tamil Naadu?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:42:49 GMT

In article <43194@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>I was talking to a friend of mine when the talk turned on Tamil
>actresses. Invariably, most of the top actresses have been from outside
>Tamil Naadu. See this list below:
>
>	KR Vijaya - Kerala
>	Padmini   - Kerala
>	Saradha   - AP
>	Bhanumathi- AP
>	Savithri  - AP
>	Sridevi   - AP

Is it ? How come her dad has the name 'Ayyappan' , she is probably from 
Kerala.

>	Radha     - Kerala
>	Ambika    - Kerala
>	Saritha   - AP
>	Rathi     - Punjab
>	Khushboo  - ??
>	Vanisree  - ??
>	Jayapradha- AP
>	Amala     - Bengal
>
>There are exceptions of course,
>
>	Jayalalitha, Manorama, Vijayakumari etc..
>
>What's the reason for this trend? Is it because Tamil girls are
>conservative about acting in movies? Or lack of interest in Tamil
>girls with good looks for movies?
>
>Most of our famous background singers have been Non-Tamils too -
>Gantasaala, PB Srinivas, P Susheela, SPB, Jesudoss etc.
>

Even TMS is a Sourashtrian. 

>Partha sarathy

May be we Tamils simply do not have talent. 

Just kidding ..)


My theory is we Tamils LOVE stuff from outside. While everytime I sing a 
non-Tamil song, I shit in my pants about screwing up the pronounciation and
incurring the wrath of the native speakers of the language, Jesudoss' 
mispronounciation of Tamil words was no big deal for us. (I am not saying we
should have rejected him)            

We love north Indian features in our kids, we love to speak in English,
our Carnatic musicians/composers always favoured Telugu and Sanskrit over
Tamil. Ravi Sankar and Parveen Sultana are big hits in Madras while only the
Tamils (may be some non Tamil southies) have even heard of Lalgudi Jayaraman
and his Delhi/Bombay concerts are attended by only Subramaniams and Srinivasans
 

Well, I am going at a tangent ...

Regards,

Jagadisan Shivakumar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Cultural festivals in AU.
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:03:12 GMT

 In Annamalai Univ., there was always cultural festivals galore when
I was there.[ I don't know about present situation] 

Some of the intra college festivals [ Competition between the colleges 
of Annamalai Univ only] are STRUCOFEST(organized be Civil and Structures
Dept), ELECTROTSAV (organized by Electrical Engg. Dept.), KEMFANTAZIE 
(organized by Chem.Engg. dept), MECHSPORTS(organized by Mech. Engg. dept), 
           [ Exception: Not a cultural festival]
DENTIFEST (organized by Dental college), PHARM-FETE (organized by
College of Pharmacy) MEDIFEST(Organized by Medical college) etc.  Did I 
leave anything? Any AU guy out there?

 Inter college festival is LE PHOENIX (sp.?), open to any college in TN,
other than AU Engg. (Host. Those students gave performances without being 
considered for prizes)

 All of the above mentioned were organized by students.The hit was 
always DENTIFEST.(No need to explain for obvious reasons)

University officially organized National youth festival and south zone
youth festival in '87 and '88.

Venkat
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From: nish@cv1.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Elam News from Denmark
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:22:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <8ellFO_00WCXE9bVs4@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
|> Oh come come..
|> I 've already admitted my mistake about dragging the brahmin issue once
|> to the net. I really regretted it. I'm not concerned about any 'bramin
|> consipiracy', because it doesn't exist. I come from a society where they
|> are 
|> respected for their work. Similarly they respect the other 'mobile'
|> caste members for their work. Its a working relationship.  And I'm from
|> Velvettiturai - place of many temples with my extended family very much
|> inlvolved with the two big temples.  I also had friends from a priests'
|> family. 
|> It was probably the thought about
|> Jeyalalitha that brought the 'b' word into my writings.  I promise not
|> to make any comments on the Dravidian-Brahmin issue in Tamin Nadu.
|> My feelings is that that are all Tamils first. They should not use caste as an
|> excuse to divide themselves up. It seem like they have done just that.
|> 
|> -thambi
	 
		Guys
		     Again the master propgandist trips on his own tail.
	This thamby guy never ceases to amaze me .You know the original 
	poster he is referring to had a QUESTION for MR Ranjith Ravindran
	Suresh).Instead of answering the QUESTION he starts apologising
	Well let me remind him. What do we hear about these freedom fighters
	collecting ransom from people in Denmark.Ha go ahead tell us 
	Call your LTTE news line and get some transparent lie you can
	splatter on the net.(Or have you already called them and waiting
	for some garbage from them.)
		Psst.Tell you what .Let me show you the way out.Just say
	that the chaps who were arrested are SINHALESE masquarading as LTTE
	bill collectors.Come on Sir Go for it.With the stuff you have been 
	piling up in the net may be HERR Prabha might have to order us
	to believe it.
	
		Sincerely

			Nishantha
.ps
	I know it was pretty smart for you to wiggle out of that Brahmin 
	crap .You know it was getting out dated.Hell I was thinking for a
	moment that even hurricane Andrew might be blamed on the Brahmins!
From: rammohan@phakt.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: The Truth behind the Indian generosity
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:52:00 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep30.131406.9592@ifi.uio.no> sivasamy@ifi.uio.no (Sivasamy Premraj) writes:
> 1. Don't you think that India has committed a CRIME by encouraging Sri Lankan
>    youths to fight against their government?
	I would not say India committed a crime, Indira committed a
crime in the name of India by aiding srilankan youths to fight the
government .

> 2. Don't you think that India had BETRAYED its friendly neighbor country
>    by supporting the separatists who want to divide Sri Lanka?
	True, we should be ashamed off supporting people like
srilankan tamils who were involved in a seccionist movement.But one
should realise this fact that supporting the separatists was truly a
political decision.The congress which had a coalition with AIADMK in
1983 supported the LTTE under the name of protecting tamils simply
because LTTE was supported by MGR, thus enabling them to play on the
sentiments of the local people.

> 3. India, originated from the non-violence struggle, taught Sri Lankan youth 
>    to use guns to solve their problem.  What do you think about it?
	This was truly a wrong decision.

> 4. India always accuse Pakistan for supporting KLF (Kalistan Liberation Front)
>    and JKLF.  But India supported Sri Lankan separatists and lied about  
>    its association with Sri Lankan separatists when it was asked.
>    How do you explain it?
>
This is explained in question 2.It was a political decision.This does
not represent the true feelings of the people of India.

> 5. According to Shri K.Chandrasekar's definition: "LTTE kills people.  
>    Therefore it is a terrorist organization. And the people who sympathize 
>    with it also terrorists." If it is true what about the people who did 
>    provide  the arms to the terrorists?  What about the people who trained the
>    terrorists? Late Indira Ghandi and Rajiv Ghandi supported the Sri Lankan
>    tamil "terrorists".  What about them?
	Offcourse, dont you think Rajiv gandhi suffered from the
mistakes he had committed.he was assasinated by the same people he and
his mother trained.Indira gandhi, was killed by terrorists whom she
had courted before.


rammohan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:16:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.181525.52383@gmuvax.gmu.edu> 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>
>     If you can read English then you are not pure TAMIL.
>     If you can write English then you are not pure TAMIL either.
>     Simply
>     if you speak, read, write, eat, sleep, learn any other language
>     then you are notta TAMIL.
>     You are a threat to our language.
>
>
>King of Eelam.
>

Very funny indeed. The "King", of course, is not a pure Tamil
in "Eelam".

-- rst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: campus comedy (sirikka mudinthaal...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:36:15 GMT
Keywords: campus comedy (sirikka mudinthaal..)


when we were taking optional classes in american college, madurai, one of the
things that happened in the course named 'creative writing' taught by a tamil
professor.  he asked all the students to write a 'pudhu kavithai'.  in the 
next class, he asked the students to read it out.  here goes one of the best
pudhu kavithais.
'oh! kosuvae!                                           
 unnai aen avvaaru azhaikkiraargal? 
 un appa peyar              
 ochchaa thevar enbathalaa?'

anban,
thayumanavan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ks@cse.unl.edu (Krishnan Sarangarajan)
Subject: Friends in India (need details if poss. )
Keywords: Gingee, Tirunelvelli
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:00:39 GMT

Hi there !
  I am kind of new to the network, so please bear with abnormality in  
the format of my post. I studied in MCCHSS (Hostel) and I was in the 
batch of 87-88. I had close friends from many parts of Tamil Nadu but
Gingee and Tirunelvelli (I am sorry if I mispelt that one) are the only
ones that come to mind. If there is any one out there from either of
these places, I would really appreciate it if you could give me a few
details about my friends if you know of any from the near past. They
are as follows

	1. P. Saravanan from Gingee.	
	   Roughly about 21 years old now.
	   Studied at MCCHSS (Madras) from 1982-1988.
	   He was in (what was then) Group 3 (Maths,Phy.,Chem.,Comp.Science)
	   I don't know where he is doing his bachelors.

	2. Ophir Raja Laurie from Tirunelvelli.
           His father runs the Manujothi Ashram.
           Roughly about 21 years old now.
           Studied at MCCHSS (Madras) from 1986-1988.
           He was also in Group 3.
	   I don't know what he is doing his bachelor's in.

As I haven't heard from them in a long time, I was sure that there might
be someone reading this group who might be from there. You can mail your
responses to ks@cse.unl.edu or ksaranga@nyx.cs.du.edu. Thanks in advance.

		Take care.
		Krishnan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: g9uaxt@fnma.COM (Alagesan Thiagarajan)
Subject: Travel
Reply-To: g9uaxt@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:29:28 GMT


   Urgently need info on Travel Agents in Washington ( preferably ) or NewYork.

   To purchase roundtrip ticket to Madras ( without changing over at Delhi/Bombay )

   Thanks
   Thiagu
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Valvettiturai sea farers sail for US..
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8elBGxC00UhWI4_Go2
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Corrections:

Concerning the Amman & Pillayar kovils,
the distance between them is close to 0.75 miles.

Also, for the theertham, Amman goes to the sea early in the morning from
her sanctuary. An before noon She goes to the Pillaiyar kovil. This is
the 14th day of thiruvizha(lla). Later, Amman leaves Pillaiyar's place
before dawn(of the 15th day-end of thiruvilla) to get back to Her
sanctuary. Everything else written is correct.

-thambi
From: harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,alt.sex
Subject: a limerick
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:38:31 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

From a mailing list I happen to be on:
(This may have appeared here before)

     There was this young lass from Madras,
             Who had a most remarkable ass,
  It wasn't round and pink,
As some of you might think,
But was grey, had long ears, and ate grass.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: TN NEWS : Jaya vows to curb secessionist forces
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:38:06 GMT

In article <BvIG6K.84p@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>In article <9209300435.AA19106@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
> (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>
>> Source : The Times of India
>> Dated  : Sep 23, 1992
>>
>>  MADRAS, September 1992.
>> .............
>>He claimed that the  auro-
>>rickshaw  driver who had brought the gunman near the refugee
>>camp at Koodalnagar in Madurai belonged to the DMK.
>>........                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This idea of 'belonging' is it the term used by the news reporter!

   Yes. It is the term used by the news reporter.

>I thought, people vote, support different parties at election times.
>Other times they may agree with views of a certain leader etc.
>
>But belonging looks like a life long commitment to a political party,
>in good times and bad times, in health and sickness etc...

  I guess that it is bad English. Or I should say `Tinglish'. 
  In Tamil, it is usually said like `D.M.K.-ai chErndhavar' when
referring to D.M.K. party members. Same reference for other parties,
organizations etc. When writing it in English, one may translate it
and say ` He belonged to D.M.K.' As you point out, it looks like a
life-long committment to D.M.K. These are some of the shortcomings
of Tinglish.
  [ rest of KS's article deleted ]
>
>KS

  SP
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2520 soc.culture.indian:32393 alt.sex:31148
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Situation in Madras
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:59:41 GMT

In article <Bv5IHC.9yF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>
>Because RSS is the ONLY religious group that assasinated the father of
>the nation. period.  I am not aware of any other religious groups (Muslim/
>Christian/Sikhs/Buddists/Jains/Parsis/Nastika/etc) assasinating anyone 
>in India.
>
>I respect V.P.Singh.  He understands the fundamental nature and problems
>of India.  India is a country with diverse cultures/language/religion/etc.
>It would be very wrong to define India as a Sanskritic/Aryan/Vedic/Hindu/Hindi
>country.  V. P. Singh is one of those politician who understood this and worked 
>towards an India, where all can live as equal citizens.
>I hope that the Indian populace is smart enough to elect a leader like
>V.P.Singh instead of falling prey to the false propaganda of the Brahmanical 
>machinary.  RSS/BJP/Fascism/Nazism is certainly not a solution for India.
>India needs a leader who understands the diversity of India.
>
>It is important the leadership reflects the attitude of the populace.
>Bramins form a minority in India and they do not in any way reflect 
>the characteristics of the populace.  The Bramins (the orthodox ones) are 
>taught that they are superior by birth than the rest from day one.
>The Indian leaders reflect this attitude in their international
>dealings as well.  India is not in good relation with any of its 
>neighbors.  It has conflicts with almost all of its minority group.
>All these, in my opinion, are the result of the Brahmanical attitude of the 
>rulers, (ie "We are big, Bow down to us" syndrome).
>
>Meenan Vishnu

Wow! What an advice to India from a guy who says India makes him sick.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: g9205802@cc.uow.edu.au (muralidharan chinnaiyan)
Subject: school comedy
Summary: School Comedy
Keywords: School Comedy
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:38:18 GMT


One of my classmates had just transfered to our school from a convent
in Ooty and he was very weak in Tamil. One day our tamil teacher was
distributing our exam papers and when that guys turn came the teacher
was angry and he read out one of his answers.  That was a question in 
the grammar section. The question and the answer were,


Question : `Maathirai' endraal enna ? Udhaaranam tharugha.

Answer : `Maathirai' endral `Tablet'. Udharanam(Example)- CROCIN, METACIN.


Another one,

It was the History class.  Our history teacher was asking questions.
He pointed to one guy and asked, When I say AGRA what comes to your
 mind first ? Back came the reply "MUMTAJ". He was expecting the 
answer TAJMAHAL and the whole class burst into laughter.



Hope you enjoyed this. Please continue posting this kind of jokes.

Bye from the land of Kangaroos!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: campus comedy (sirikka mudinthaal...)
Summary: campus comedy (sirikka mudinthaal...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:05:39 GMT
Keywords: campus comedy (sirikka mudinthaal...)


Before i start telling this, i have to introduce the hero of this story (a 
tamil professor), hereafter will be mentioned as 'aiyah'.  aiyah is a 
character who comes to the class everyday and he boasts about himself like
how important a person he is for the college, in politics, and in the world. 

one day he came to the class and told the students about him attending a 
opening ceremony of a theatre in madurai (maapillai vinayagar theatre).  he
says, ' indha maapillai vinayagar theatre thirappu vizhalappa, periya periya
panakkaaranga ellam vandhiraundhangappa, avanga ellma pinnala varisailae 
utkandhirandhaanga, arivilae pankkaaranga ellma munnaadi varisailappa, naan
munnadi rowla utkandhirundhaen'.  ivarudaiya tharperumaiyai thaanga mudiyaatha
oru maanavan, 'sir, adhu 50 paisa ticket sir' endraan.  the whole class 
laughed.  aiyah was angry .............

anban,
thayumanavan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar )
Subject: Re: Expansions for IIT and IISc
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:48:15 GMT

fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan) writes:

>srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

>>Continuing with expansions for BHEL etc.. Here are two more:

>>IIT(M)   Institute for Idli and ThOsai (Masala)
>>IISc     Institute for Idli, Sambaar and Chutney

IIT - Incredibly Ignorant Teachers
IIT - Institute of Infinite Tests
From: durai@ORTTA (Appadurai V.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A question to the nettors?
Summary: A question to the nettors?
Keywords: A question to the nettors?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:13:28 GMT
Organization: U of Mn

In article <thai.718050193@aries> thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan) writes:


>i don't think the words 'thalaivan/thalaivi' necessarily mean
>leaders.  if you read any 'aganaanooru', the hero and heroine
>in that are always menotioned as thalaivan and thalaivi.  i 
>seriously doubt if they refer the hero/heroine as leaders in
>that.

>anban,
>thayumanavan 

I guess so.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil