From: brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian)
Subject: Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:24:07 GMT

mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:

>>Guess what, wise guy, it IS over the northern hemisphere also. Before you
>>react in such a knee-jerk manner, why don't you learn something about the
>>issue?

>Considering that "they" have been "measuring" ozone levels for "40 years",
>don't you find it strange that this "huge hole" suddenly appeared over
>the Northern Hemisphere?

	The "huge" hole (its smaller than the southern one) appeared suddenly
because they went back and re-analysed their date and looked for it, rather
than ignoring the readings which told them about it, as they had for those
40 years.

>Can you say "research funds"? Good, I knew you could.

	Can you say "idiot"?  Good, I knew you understood you were one...

>>Just because "they" were wrong about the new ice age coming, and the
>>evidence for global warming is weak, does not mean that "they" are wrong
>>about the Ozone hole.

>Just because there is a finite possibility for me getting struck by a bus as I 
>cross the street means that I should never leave my house?

	Well buster, perhaps you'd care to explain the sudden upswing
in the numbers of skin cancers, glaucoma and other UV radiation induced
complaints which have started to be reported in southern Australia, New
Zealand and southern South America?  All areas where such complaints are
normally unusual.

>> The problem with any politicized issue is that, for the non-specialist,
>> it becomes difficult to find out the scientific evidence separated from
>> political weighting. Thus, my natural tendency is to be skeptical of
>> environmental scares. These are the folks who are more scared of nuclear
>> power than they are of coal power, after all!

>Yes, I've always found the "No Blood For Oil" folks particularly amusing,
>especially when you ask them if they would object to a nuclear power plant
>being built to replace that oil-fired electric generating station.

	Yet, instead of talking about another polluting energy source
why don't you talk about energy conservation, or renewable energy sources?

	Nope, can't have that, after all, it was the "let the market rule"
strategy which made your nation so dependent on imported oil, now wasn't it?

>>However, sometimes the reality happens to come down on their side, and
>>the ozone hole is one.

>That's debatable. Sure, there has been some measured decrease in
>atmospheric ozone isolated to particular regions of the world, but
>there is no evidence to prove that such depletions are man-induced.

	Your right, there isn't.  However, are you willing to put your money
on it not being man made?

	Whilst you are at it, I'd challenge you to come and live in Tasmania
or live in New Zealand or Terre Del-feugo (?sp) for a couple of years whilst
we wait to see more evidence come in.

>>Global warming is, to some extent, another in
>>that it is likely that some warming will occur as a result of man's
>>activity.

>Yeah, until you ask a global-warming advocate why the frost line in the
>United States has been moving progressively south.

	Global warming does not necessarily mean that the _whole_ world
will heat up.  It does mean that there will be increased circulation of air
in the atmosphere (due to increased kinetic energy input) and that could well
account to the frost line moving south as cold air from the artic mixes
further south.  In addition it could just be that there is more moisture in
the air further south now so that it can freeze much more easily.  These
are all factors which in your blind skeptism you have ignored.


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Brian Ross__________________________________________________________________
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will sooner or later be awkward for public administration if most people
suppose that it is always wrong."______________________________J.K.Galbraith
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