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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:44:41 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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> From: torkel@SICS.SE

>   But surely you had read the notices stating that this model *is* the
> official protocol? "The weak are killed and eaten"?

Can't say that I did. A whole lot of stuff came at once. The official
cover letter from Natalie made it sound like a certain decorum was in
place, not that she said anything directly about it. Just the style.

> to say that they have any validity. In my opinion, as I thought I had made
> clear, those comments have no validity at all.
No you didn't.

>>Suffice it to say, that the kind of person with deeply held beliefs that
>>I have in mind would be a Gandhi, a Mother Theresa, a Martin Luther King,
>>an Albert Schweitzer, maybe even a Gorbachev whom I find a most remark-
>>able person.
>
>Of course this is what you had in mind.
I notice that you have removed the context of my statement above, which
had to do with FANATICS, and you have not responded to my request for
a definition, it being a term which you introduced.

> And indeed, in spite of your present waffling, you finally stated

I think you mean my inability to satisfy your misinterpretation. If
my position has changed in your eyes, in any way, I would be happy
to have you point it out. I'm rather reminded how Geo. Bush con-
tinuely tried to make it sound like Clinton was waffling, in spite
of the fact that every time Clinton opened his mouth he said almost
word for word what he had been saying from the beginning of the
primarys.

> deserve respect precisely because they are deep, whatever their contents -
> the beliefs of Hitler as much as those of Gandhi.This was the view I
> supposed lay behind your original complaint, and this is the view I
> reject. Mere depth of belief deserves neither respect, nor admiration.

That, of course, is your privilege. I rather wonder, however, if we
mean the same things by DEPTH. If you mean merely a strong emotional
attachment, then I don't think we're in the same ball park.

>   Why, since making fun of things means disrespecting them, in your
> terminology, I can answer quite broadly: whatever belief I share or
> respect I may also make fun of.

Nonsense. I allowed a meaning for the word mockery that involved a
playful, inoffensive teasing. You simply by-passed that, and made a
general response to my request for an example of how you manage to
disrespect that for which you have great respect -- IF that was what
you meant by mocking that for which had great respect.
I'm reminded of your response when I first said I had had my say.

In any case, since the laws of the jungle apply here, why shouldn't
blatant self-contradiction as well?
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:11:31 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      new year's eve
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So, am i the only one without a date on this
most fethive of eves?

jenna shakin' and bakin' in the kitchen tonite
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Whole Nine Yards
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: I hope that I have found the appropriate forum for one of the great
: questions I have as I explore the mysteries of linguistic life:

No, all you'll get here is smart-asses taking the piss out of newbies.

: What is the origin of the expression, "the whole nine yards?"

: I've been pursuing this item for several years and finally, several years
: ago, had to be satisfied with a conclusion that Frederick Cassidy of DARE
: and I reached.  We decided that the term most likely orginated during WW2
: with the Seabees, who had concrete mixer trucks, the most common of which
: contained nine cubic yards of concrete.  "How much concrete you want in
: this hole, boss?"  --"The whole nine yards."

If that's the best you can come up with in 'several years', I hope you
don't make your living out of research.

: Does anyone have a more logical (or documentable) explanation?

Yes, why not ask in alt.usage.english; I believe the 6 or so choices of
explanation are in the FAQ.  Or maybe that's the alt.folklore.urban FAQ
I'm thinking of.

: ----------------------------------------------------------------
:         Lee Bradley, Executive Director, SCOLT
:         Valdosta State College, Valdosta, GA 31698
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Too big, too pretentious.

G
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Pizza Toppings
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:00:33 GMT

In article <9212280024.AA00368@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK> writes:

>I think I suggested a couple of years back that Hero was the New
>Amsterdammer pronunciation of Gyro, but everyone disagreed, telling me
>that Hero sandwiches were nothing like Gyro sandwiches.

	They may be the same thing in Amsterdam, but they aren't here.
A Hero is submarine sandwich/grinder.  A Gyro is the Greek lamb-burger
thing.  I don't know what they eat over there.




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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:55:55 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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> Subj: RE: Deep beliefs

> Peter, there are some rules ... or at least some people enforce them.

Oviously wanting respect for the religious dimension of things
on WORDS-L break the rules.

> I find some language on WORDS-L disgusting ...but I let it go without
> comment.
Given the amount of traffic, I can understand why to some extent.
Forbidding it would not be good. But why no comment at all?


>  However, I can assure you there are those who will severely
> assault a person if a subject is deemed "inappropriate" in their minds.

You don't need to assure me. I know. I think there is a role
for something like a Speaker of the House.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:54:10 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Favor?
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While we're in A-dam, I'd like to look up a schoolchum who is currently
living there. He's staying with the person listed below. Could you call
Information and get the phone number for this person? I don't speak Dutch,
y'see...

Charles Eskridge
Dedel Straat 2
2596 P.R. The Hague
Netherlands

Hope you had a happy holiday,
-abh
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:02:25 GMT

ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU writes:

>I hope some woman some time, Steve, never raises her eyes above your
>crotch, the way that some men never raise their eyes above a woman's
>chest.  These are the guys I would like to make a stop at PMS Sporting
>Goods, Guns and Ammo, for.

Sometime I wonder if all the poor "sexually harrassed" women of this world
don't actually know how good they've got it. (NOTE: In this instance I'm
referring to sexual harassment of the whistles-and-catcalls-on-the-street
variety; I don't doubt there's a lot of honest rape and job-on-the-line
harrassment going on as well.)  

Okay, you're an amazingly attractive woman with a perfect figure.  You get
hooted at and ogled all the time.  Just keep in mind that this same
Neanderthal atttude is the same one that allows you to get better jobs and
promotions, gives you at least a shot of being a famous star, and allows
you to actively date, in the hopes of someday finding the right mate and
having a happy family life.  

Now pretend you're an "unattractive" woman (or man, it doesn't matter). 
Not only do you not get catcalls, you get totally ignored, or scorned, or
even publicly attacked as a "beast".  You won't get that promotion,yet you
feel lucky that you ever got a job in the first place, since most
employers want someone who's easy on the eyes more than they want
competence.  You'll never be on TV, unless you get arrested for something
and your mug shot ends up on-screen for millions to laugh at.  And you'll
probably spend months or even YEARS without being asked out on a single
date, and run a much higher risk of spending your entire life alone...all
because you don't fit American society's equation of "attractiveness =
worthiness".

The moral here is: Sexual harrassment works both ways, and I'm getting a
little tired of hearing what assholes we men are when many of us (and many
women) are just as persecuted as the Beautiful People, only in the
opposite direction.  Life ain't fair...get used to it.

Oh, Happy Holidays by the way. :)

--Aaron

PS-- There's a magazine out there called "Women and Guns", in case you're
looking for a last-minute gift idea.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior) says:

>>Maybe I should just do it again, to save digging in the archives?  It's not
>>that difficult.  "Ausbrook, shut up".  And Happy New Year while we're at it.:-)
>
>"Ninotchka, Ninotchka"
>
>"Darlink, you repeat yourself."
>
Only by invitation, sugarpie, and there's more than one echo in here.
Was that one Dietrich or Garbo?  Never could keep those two straight.....

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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 16:27:19 by Aaron L Dickey
>I didn't say you should be happy to put up with such crap, just that the
>downside of attractiveness is, IMHO, a small price to pay for all the
>doors it opens up in society.

More bullshit.  Aaron, what's unattractive about you is not your looks
but your personality.

Karen
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Year's Good Luck Foods
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> No, Torkel, it's true.  I got it from my (Texas) maternal grandmother:
> Gloom & Doom await those foolish enough to not consume blackeye peas and
> *some* form of pork on New Years Day!  (I had mine!)  She was a very
> superstitious woman but that is the only one that I take to heart.  (Except
> for putting a hat on a bed.)...
> John "Did I mention the cornbread?" W.

John...you forgot the new shoes on the bed...very dangerous to forget that
one!
ndh (and I certainly hope you throw spilled salt over your left shoulder!)
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Curls
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  Robicheaux, who always sees things "through" trees and is practically
incapable of ending a sentence without remarking on the color of the sky
and the smell of the rain, is now doing push-ups and "curls". What muscles
are "curls" supposed to keep in trim?
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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
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> Yesterday, when there was almost no mail from the list, I thought it was
> probably because everybody had taken the space ship down to Natalie's and
> you were all partying away without me.  This morning, though, when I saw
> there were no Gleanings, it struck me that perhaps its was uga which was
> partying.  Now that his responsibilities as Christmas party host are over,
> Natalie, can Bernard please run over and get things cranked up again?

I think it was uga that was down -- there were some postings by Ruth, Frank
and Graham on usenet late last night and early this morning; interestingly,
they have not arrived here yet, but new stuff has started to come in from
uga -- did not check if they are are new or old as I have a lot of mail
headers turned off.

Wish I could have made your party, Natalie, but alas the semester is not
yet over.  I give my only exam tonight and then have it and final projects
to grade.  That is we get for starting the semester after Labor Day.  But
then why do we get all of January off?  Who knows?  So we are the last
school to be finished at nearly the end of May?  I wish I knew the rationale
for the schedule.

Joan
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From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Richard Feynman
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              Dec 21, 92 11:54 am

>
> Has anyone read the new biography of Richard Feynman?  Is it worth
> reading?  Is it worth buying in hardback?

I've seen a very positive review of it, though I haven't read it. But I
really enjoyed his - very funny - autobiography - _Surely You're
Joking, Mr. Feynman_, which, more than anything I've ever read,
demonstrates the playful, anarchistic nature of science well done.
This I want to read when I get a little time. After Xmas[???]. Let me know
if you get to it.
>
> Evelyn (who was surprised to find out that Feynman's IQ was only 125)
>

All 125 of them well leveraged, I am sure. He sure knew where to stand
to get a good view - or, rather, he found a good view no matter where
he was standing....
A
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Black-eyed beans
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I went to one grocery store today; no cans, so I bought dry
"black-eyed beans".  I still have 2 more stores to try.

Karen
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In a previous article, Graham Toal () says:

>        "What do the letters of Anzac stand for?"
>
>And for extra marks, on what day does Graham get plastered in honour
>of those who fell?
>
On whichever day he can get his hands on Tibetan fermented horse milk?:-)
I know what Anzac stands for, but not the date you're after.  It's not
Cameron day.....:-) [that's when Legionaires get plastered - and get three
days to sober up, I think....]

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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Another List Gathering?
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> You might want to make that March or April, in deference to those not
> acclimated to 'Southern' climes -- early Spring in NOLA is best, by

How 'bout the second week in March?  That would suit me fine.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: X or 13? You decide! (was Re: Now for something..)
Originator: rita@eff.org
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:24:37 GMT

In article <01GSL05HEY7C984OTD@vms.cis.pitt.edu> Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU> writes:
>        The _Atlantic_ article (cover story in Vol 270, No 6, December 1992)
>        defines Boomers as the 1943-1960 birth cohort, Thirteeners as
>        1961-1981.  That makes anyone who's now 11-31 a Thirteener, while
>        Boomers are 32-49.
>
>        Generations are longer than decades.

	I honestly don't know what the "real" definition of a
generation is, but it would seem to me that once you get more than 10
years apart in age, there are very few assumptions you can make about
similarities in experiences (not that you can make very many in the
first place).  Growing up with or without Nintendo, MTV, a personal
computer, Reaganism, the Vietnam War, Glastnost, etc. seem to me to be
pretty important differences.  An 11 year old will not have the same
worldview as I do.

	Of course, labeling generations is silly anyways, but there is
a certain amount of comfort in knowing that there is a whole
bunch of people out there that grew up watching Scoobie Doo and The
Electric Company just like me.  I suppose that's the appeal.


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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:44:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Happy Holidays

Merry and Happy whatever you might be celebrating this day.
I am very happy to be free from work for a few days.
I will back to work on the 26th.

later



alec
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Holidays
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On Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:03:22 +0100 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
>
>  The action will be moving to Montana shortly.

good....maybe i can be of some use....are they gonna eat elk steaks?
or some rocky mountain oysters (which i know HAS been discussed here in
the past)

dan the cyclops
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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Posted on 21 Dec 1992 at 14:08:53 by Peter Montgomery
>things like "life,
>liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which lots of different people
>go along with, for lots of different reasons.

Another one that is quite common is "Girls just wanna have fun".  I believe
that cuts across most cultural lines.

Karen
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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In-reply-to: Peter Montgomery's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:28:52 -0800

Peter pipes:

   Challenging the hypocrisy of religious advocates is an entirely
   different, and legitimate subject.

Old hat.  Been there, done that.  Suggest you look in the Archives if you
want a rehash.  

	//anne, second verse same as the first, but let's take a 6-mo
breather inbetween//
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From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: new year's eve
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>Posted on 31 Dec 1992 at 20:56:43 by samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
>
>Re:  new year's eve
>
>From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
>
>>So, am i the only one without a date on this
>>most fethive of eves?
>
>What's a "date"?
>
>tushar

guess its safe to say that tushar doesn't get out much.

dates are sticky fruit.

jenna
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Scapular chain
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        Why do you say this? I wore a scapular for years and have nothing to
        do w/the Redemptorists.

See?  I *told* you it was some kinky bondage gear...

G
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings?
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>It's Monday, and so far there haven't been any Gleanings. :(

And there aren't going to be any for a number of weeks.... Did you miss
Akio's announcement that he's having a holiday?

Carolyn
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Subject:      Re: Barbie dolls

> > Once and future Lego Queen. Barbies were tied to bedposts and tortured.
>
> I knew I sent you the right magazine.
>
> --karsten
>
> (That rare "Master Ken" doll must be worth a fortune by now)

Ooooooooooo! I LIKE it!  Is this the wrong time to talk about my
black leather belt with the nails?...:-)

Monster Ken
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: English peas

When I read Natalie's account of June days in the 50s in Jackson, I thought
of air-conditioning.  Children somehow seem immune from the worst effects
of that brutal Mississippi heat; I mean, the heat and humidity of those
largely un-air-conditioned times is screened out of the nostalgic memories.

brad
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Say Something To Jeffrey
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> >Just last night we were talking about the fact that Bernard's attempted
> >rapes of Jeffrey aren't as frequent as they used to be.
>
> He was probably feeling satiated by my sweatshirt sleeve...

Hmmm.  Was his rape of your sweatshirt sleeve before or after he joined
you in bed?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)