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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:54:06 GMT

midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight) writes:

>I was somewhat disenchanted with Uncanny right around the split.  Again, I
>confess a penchant for good art and with the split, the better art when to
>X-men rather than Uncanny.  Also, the storylines were duller, the
>characters even more angst ridden, and again, pretty much alike.  Not a bad
>book, just not that good.  

Strange I thought kind of the opposite. I think Marvel did
try and give X-Men a better artist than Uncanny but they
got it wrong. Portacio is really underrated whereas Jim Lee
is really overrated. I like Lee's early work on Uncanny but
he really started to get lazy from about issue 5 or 6 of
X-Men. Uncanny also got the better inker, Art Thilbert. 
Unfortunately Williams later became Portacio's inker and
Thilbert became Lee's inker. This really made the art 
suffer.

Jed

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From: proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca (Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately)
Subject: Re: Cable
Reply-To: proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:34:18 GMT

In article <67162@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU 
(Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>A few thoughts on the Cable miniseries...
[DELETED] (not because I didn't like it bu because I just read someithing
interesting
>
>JRjr
 ^^^^ Did You know that one of the Marvel Inkers uses the same "Signature" as
you do, I thought It was neat when I read it
Bill H.
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An Tir (I wouldn't dream of subjecting any corp. or Educational Institution to
        these opinions, so they certainly aren't the opinions of the UofL)
  (And I'm not an officer of the SCA so I can't have an official opinion There
              - even if I wanted to )
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From: wcw@wegl.b24a.ingr.com (William Wallace)
Subject: Re: Rogue fans want to Absorb Knowledge
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:56:12 GMT

I can't believe everyone else has forgotten this, but Rogue has
used her ability to absorb other powers once since passing through
the Seige Perilous.

It was in the Savage Land story around issue 275 of Uncanny X-Men,
when she, Magneto, and Nick Fury were fighting Zaladanes forces.
Toward the end of the story, Rogue absorbs Wyrm's (sic) abilities
so that she can control all the people he coated with his membrane
and order them to stop fighting.

As far as I can remember, this is the only time she has used her
mutant ability since being reintegrated by Magneto.

As to the stregth of Ms. Marvel, in two of the later issues of her
title (new costume, vs. Lizard Civilization) Ms. Marvel was ripping
turrets off of tanks.  This seems pretty consistent with Class 30
strength levels.
From: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug31.143859.58533@cc.usu.edu>, sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

(re: Rogue's hair)

>>	I wondered about this one too.  Back when I was first collecting
>>the Xmen but now I cannot remember what they said had changed her.  Probably
>>just a hair style change, although how that could do it is beyond me!
>>Maybe her mutant powers also include strange moving of stripe when it looks
>>more fashionable...
                                                                      
Oh, she just dyed her hair differently.  What would be interesting, but rather
trivial plotwise, would be for a writer to explain why she put that stripe in
there in the first place.  I doubt it's a 'normal' part of her hair.  And it's
not like stripes in your hair are particularly common, altho this IS the Marvel
Universe we're talking about.

(re: Hellions/Empath) 

>	I would bet they just screwed this up.  After all they seemed
>more content to just get rid of them all in one lump sum rather than
>actually taking the time to sensibly retire the characters in a sensible 
>fashion.

I guess this means the Hellions are no more, eh?  Too bad.  I liked them.


--
Midnight
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Magneto
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:06:17 GMT

I know he won't stay dead. I nfact I knew he wasn't dead right away
because this is Marvel where resurrections are as common as breathing.

Still..

In may seem like sacraleige but I rather hope he stays dead. I hve read
some stuff on the net which spoke unfavorably about _Rubicon_, but I
liked it. I thought it was easily the best X-Men story in years and I
have been collecting X-Men for about 10 years. I would go so far as to
say that it was the best one since _God Loves, Man Kills_

The point to all of this is that Magneto was "killed" in a good story
which treated him with the respect that such a character deserves. I
don't think a better death could have been written for him. That's why I
hope he stays dead. Not because resurrections are annoying, but because
he went with a bang (skip the obvious pun here).

Let him rest in peace. Besides, as critics of the X-titles would
obviously point out, would you want Lobdell writing him?

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*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
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*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
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*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Prices update :-)
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:56:36 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I went to two stores of an atlanta-area comic book store chain (Titan games
and comics, if you care :-) yesterday, looking to blow a little fundage on
some x-men back issues (i got 76 and 106, plus new mutants 3 & 4).  I happened
to notice the prices on some of the newer x-stuff.  Now, i really don't 
consider these to be 'fanboy' stores, or stores that only have like one
copy of each back issue.  These are fairly major stores.

They had the last few Lee/Claremont books for $10-12 each (Uncanny).
They had X-Men 201 (first Nathan Summers/Cable) for $20.
They had New Mutants 87 for (get this) $75.

Now, i'm not a total knee-jerk Liefield hater, or at least i wasn't when
he first started the mutants, but if _anyone_ pays $75 for a book that
came out, what, a year and a half ago, and had a print run of that size,
they should be shot!  Gimme a break :-)

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans want to Absorb Knowledge
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:24:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <92245.094915UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:

>Oh, JOY! More Rogue questions!

>Off hand, I don't remember her absorbing anybody since she got bopped through
>the Siege Perilous (discounting her "absorb-off" against Carol-mind-controlled-
>zombie-Danvers). Which would put her last definite use of absorption against
>Colossus (!), waaaay back in the Master Mold/Nimrod slag-off. If anyone has
>better memories, please fill me in.

Now *there's* an idea! Maybe she really *can* control her powers, now,
but she doesn't know it. 

Maybe she's still gun-shy because she's afraid of accidentally doing
another 'CarolDanvers', having just gotten rid of that *annoying*
second personality. I-)

>So, she's a brick. A bigger mystery for me is why JLee always drew her flying
>with one leg bent.

Makes better posters!

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:38:05 EDT
From: <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: History of the X-Men

I've been getting more and more hooked on X-Men and other relate X-books this
past year.  I understand the basic principle of the books, but is there a
place where I can get at least some of the history of the X-Men, so I can say
"Aaaaaah" in places in the books where I used to say "Huh?" when they referred
to something that happened in the past?  This really bugs me sometimes 'cos
it's like reading a book by starting in the middle.  Thanks in advance.
                                       Cheers,
                                       Jean Prior, jap8@psuvm.psu.edu
                                       aka Chainsaw

P.S.  There's no need to clutter up the net.  Please send all replies to me,
but if I get enough requests for the information, I'll post it. J.

  **** Penn State wants my money, not my opinions. ****
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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:48:47 GMT

In article <Btzrr8.Mv7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus
Imperator) wrote:
> 
> In article <Btyxt2.I32@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers) writes:
> >
> >    A guy I know and I keep getting into an argument about Gambit and
> >what his actual powers are.  So far we agree that he can charge objects
> >with kinetic energy, which will explode on impact.
> >    What we don't agree on is wether or not he has superhuman agility,
> >and wether or not his influencing abilty is a mutant power or just
> >a skill he's developed.
> >    His point of view:  Just take a look at the listing for Gambit in
> >new Marvel Universe Deluxe thing.(I don't know the actual title)  It 
> >states that Gambit has "peak human" agility.  And it list his influencing
> >abilty under skills, and not powers.
> >    My point of view:  Just read the comic and take a look at the Marvel
> >role-playing game.(I know the game isn't cannnon, but it is usually 
> >accurate with the comics.)  In the comic book, Gambit dodges bullets.
> >What else is there to say?  Captain America is peak human and he can't 
> >dodge bullets.  Besides, in issue 4 Rogue mentioned that Gambit had
> >superhuman agility as a power during the basketball game.  As for Gambit's
> >ability to persuade people, didn't the Shadow King make some comment as 
> >to how Gambit's power could have affected even him, given enough time.
> >Besides, the Marvel Universe didn't even list thieving abilities under
> >Gambits skills.
> >   Help me out guys.  Which one of us is right?
> >
> >                                 Matt Somers
> Well, do not forget his "psychic invisibility," which allowed him to sneak
> into the Shadow King's home.  So far, it is an ace he has yet to play...
> 

Also don't forget his ability to know what his opponent is going to do
before he does it. This was mentioned when he willingly took the spike from
Cameron Hodge (to be used later as a lockpick) and when he fought (and won)
a danger room battle with Wolverine.

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
From: raistlin@elephant.ecn.purdue.edu (R. Travis Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Date: 31 Aug 92 05:40:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Possible spoilers...

In article <> mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler) writes:
>  This issue was good, but I can't believe they actually killed Alistair's
>sister, the Brigadier, off!  This issue also left me to believe that both Kurt
>and Meggan are dead too!  (Tell me they were tranquilized.) This issues sets up
>for a pretty exciting next few issues if anyone is left alive.  I like

  This is Jamie we are talking about...Mr. "I can alter reality as I see fit".
  I think it is relatively safe to say that the gunner used a tranquilizer 
  since Jamie told Alysdane that he was supposed to take her down but hurting
  him wasn't in the plan.  It was definitely one of the more suspenseful 
  issues in a long time.  What I like most is that next issue will be the
  first real Kitty story since Claremont left.

>Psylocke's persona much better here than in _X-Men_.  I think someone has been
>reading _Hell's Angel_ to get a good idea on how to write Psylocke's character.
  
  Are you kidding?  I want ALL of the X-Men moved to Excalibur.  Although
  I suppose it would be easier to just have Davis write the X-Men :)

>If it were up to me, I'd leave Psylocke in Excalibur, after all, they no
>longer have a telepath. (Just a thought)  The only thing I didn't like was the
>fact that there is another Sat yr 9.  Won't they let the cross-time caper rest?
>It's too bad they had to bring that back to create a more readable story.  

  Actually, Rachel is not as gone as you believe.  The fact that Kitty is
  consistently prodding Kurt to talk about Rachel is proof enough that
  Davis wants to bring her back.  And if that isn't proof enough, the latest
  Advance Comics has Excalibur #60 and #61 dealing with Phoenix and Galactus.
  Also, Sat yr 9's appearance is not so much an attempt to bring the
  cross-time caper back, but rather, an attempt to settle MANY issues worth
  of dangling plotlines for her and "her-as-Courtney".

  Travis

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What Happened to Kid Dynamo?
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:51:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer):
>Does anyone know what happened to Kid Dynamo, Connie Hirsch's wonderful
>story about the New Mutants?  I had to leave before she finished posting
>it, so I didn't get most of the chapters. 

Bad news, I'm afraid:  The story will stay unfinished, as Connie has
gone over to Image, and is no longer being allowed to play in Marvel's
sandbox.  Word is that Liefeld has agreed to mentor her, so this is a
great opportunity for her to bring her plotting and characterization
up to professional standards.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
From: kdontas@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Chris Eccleston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:42:10 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

In article <BtyL4I.H3x@rice.edu> jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>Stupid question time.  What's the difference between Alysdane and
>Alysande?  Am I the only one that doesn't understand this?
>
>Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)

	I noticed this as well.  It could be a mistake, but I
really think this is all taking place in one of those
convenient parallel universes we saw alot of back in the cross
time caper.  There are many holes in this theory, like why
there are two Sat-yr-9s in different universes, both having
replaced a Courtney Ross, but I think the Alysdane/Alysande
thing is too big to ignore.  Responses welcome.

	CAGE
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From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Subject: Re: X-Factor 63,64
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:57:43 GMT

In article <BtwHuz.KB0@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>
>The only work by Louise Simonson that I've read is her work in
>X-Factor. Her story in issues #63 and #64 was one of the best
>X-Factor stories. I suppose having Portacio as a penciller is
>a help though.
>
Probably the fact that Wilce co-plotted those issues had more to to do with
the quality than his art (which was excellent).  Weezie had a few good 
stories on X-Factor (most of which Walt drew), but none on the New Mutants.

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu


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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:32:42 GMT

barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet wrote:
: C'mon, the X-books aren't all that bad now.

NOT!!!

:   X-MEN - maybe the best of the bunch.  Fabian N. (won't even try to
: write it) is one of Marvel's best writers.  

Neither of those 2 sentences is a compliment.

: Art Thibert and Andy
: Kubert are great artists with good storytelling techniques.

Right. Yeah.

:   UNCANNY - OK, this book is pitifully written (Scott Lobdell never
: could write) and drawn even worse (Tom Raney-ugh!). 

An ex-What The--?! hack writer on what was once the best comic *ever*.
Wow, how the mighty have FALLEN.

: Our only hope is
: for Lobdell to go to Image, or at least for Joe Queseda's art to make
: up for his (numerous) shortcomings.

Neither of which is going to happen. Image has all the talent now. 
They certainly don't want second-rate hacks ruining their image.

(Oh! What a pun..)

:   EXCALIBUR - man, can Alan Davis draw or what!

Or what.

:   X-FORCE - must be the art that makes this one as bad as it is. 

How can you tell? Anyway, I quit reading after Leifield took a hike.

:   WOLVERINE - I love it!  Hama is bad on GI JOE, but great here.  Tex
: is awesome.  But, there's really bad news - Pacella is coming! ARGH!

Hamma is pretty good. The art ***STINKS*** -- what is that green BLOB
in the past few issues?! Did Hamma have to create a character that
the hacks could squiggle out or what!?!

Man, Hamma/Silvestri/Green was a *great* team.

:   P.S. - Why did Byrne leave X-MEN? 

This is probably *THE* most-asked question of all time in comics!

Scott

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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:27:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <Btyxt2.I32@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> 
>     A guy I know and I keep getting into an argument about Gambit and
> what his actual powers are.  So far we agree that he can charge objects
> with kinetic energy, which will explode on impact.
>     What we don't agree on is wether or not he has superhuman agility,
> and wether or not his influencing abilty is a mutant power or just
> a skill he's developed.
>     His point of view:  Just take a look at the listing for Gambit in
> new Marvel Universe Deluxe thing.(I don't know the actual title)  It 
> states that Gambit has "peak human" agility.  And it list his influencing
> abilty under skills, and not powers.
>     My point of view:  Just read the comic and take a look at the Marvel
> role-playing game.(I know the game isn't cannnon, but it is usually 
> accurate with the comics.)  In the comic book, Gambit dodges bullets.
> What else is there to say?  Captain America is peak human and he can't 
> dodge bullets.  Besides, in issue 4 Rogue mentioned that Gambit had
> superhuman agility as a power during the basketball game.  As for Gambit's
> ability to persuade people, didn't the Shadow King make some comment as 
> to how Gambit's power could have affected even him, given enough time.
> Besides, the Marvel Universe didn't even list thieving abilities under
> Gambits skills.
>    Help me out guys.  Which one of us is right?
> 
>                                  Matt Somers
I'm 100% sure that Gambit's "influence" is a mutant power. No matter what
the letter's page of the latest X-men say...I mean, just look at what he did
with that right-reject (the one that looked like an egg...whatshername?) and
the Shadow King (like you said)...I think it's just a case of Editor/Writer
not wanting to credit him with too many powers...

Mika H{nninen
From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:38:26 GMT

In article <Btw2Ky.Eqo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A
Lady and her Walrus) wrote:
> It just occurred to me that Rogue hasn't used her ability to absorb 
> someone's powers in a long time.  Does anyone know for sure when was the
> last time they saw this happen?  I'd be interested to hear it.  I mean,
> is she turning into an ordinary super-brick, or what? 
> 
> The Walrus

The last time I remember her doing this was just prior to her "death" fight
with Nimrod/MasterMold/WhatEverThatBluishPurpleThingWas. She absorbed the
armored form of Colossus, and flew into space to get some distance before
crashing on the robot.

BTW, thanks for all of the clarification re:the half-alien and poison
resistance reference. I was aware of Carol Danver's condition, I just
didn't think that that was what they were referring to because I never
really considered CD to be half-alien either.

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 15:14:12 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rogue/Carol and powers
	<Btw2Ky.Eqo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 1-Sep-92 Re: Rogue fans! A
question .. A Lady and h. Walrus@uxa (1788)

> No, she still has MM's powers.  She's still got her flight, her strength, 
> and her limited invulnerability (whatever that means).  Whether she has the
> other ability (the seventh sense) remains to be seen, but either she has
> lost Carol Danvers' personality, or it's been ignored the past few issues.

When Magneto destroyed Carol's body, the personality died with it.  The
seventh sense has never really been talked about except in passing: I
think it has been why Rogue used to be so good in battle: she was using
it, but didn't quite know that she was (I even vaguely remember a
throwaway line saying so a while ago).  If it seems that she hasn't been
using it lately, perhaps it is because the 7th sense is directly related
to the Carol persona, and needs it to exist.

I have always thought of the Carol/Rogue relationship as this:  

100% Carol (50% terran, 50% kree) + 100% Rogue  = 200% woman.

I think that describes Rogue perfectly well. 

michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
and who wishes that the Carol half was still around.
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