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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What to do with a late talker?
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <TIGGER.92Aug24204942@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes...
> 
>I have known a few kids (mostly boys) that talked LATE. One who used
>less words at the age of 2 than he did at the age of 1. He
>communicated just fine, and sometime around 2.5, he exploded with
>words, sentences, and quickly caught up to my early talking daughter.
> 
>I also know a boy who's about 3.5 who doesn't speak very well, but he
>seems to communicate fine, and the kids don't seem to have any
>problems playing with him.
> 
>Since I have seen some 'late' bloomers (around 2.5 or so) I would not
>want to start any speech therapy around that age, I would just let it
>be. Each child does things on his/her own schedule, and there have
>been quite a few studies that have shown that doing something early or
>late seems to have very little impact years down the road.
> 
I would like to state the opposing viewpoint. I agree completely that
all children develop at a different pace. And, some are late bloomers.
But, early intervention is key to solving some problems. My son has
been diagnosed with developmental dyspraxia (after a year's worth
of evaluations). If I had waited, he would not have been receiving
the therapy that has helped a lot for the last 6 months. In fact,
some kids who receive early intervention are able to attend regular
schools later on. From my own personal experience, if your child is
over 2 1/2 and you feel that something is not right, ask your
pediatrician. If you do not like the response, get another opinion.
By all means, go with *YOUR* instincts - anecdotes such as 'Einstein
did not talk until he was 5' are great, until it turns out there
is really something wrong with your child.
Just my 2 cents.
                                Patti Twigg
From: pollack@elroy (Martha E. Pollack)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:34:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

There have been a lot of postings concering the question of whether
women who use painkillers during labor or who have a C-section miss
out on an essential experience.  I suspect that all the women
participating in this discussion have had good outcomes, i.e.,
regardless of what happened during labor, they delivered healthy,
normal babies.  As someone who has experienced an unhappy outcome
(the causes of which were unrelated to what went on during labor), I
can assure you that the significance of the childbirth experience is
very, very small relative to the significance of the result.

If you deliver a healthy baby, then having experienced the kind of 
labor you hoped for is just icing on the cake.  Enjoy the cake.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jayne Ashworth)
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: Academic Computing, U. Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.190328.26810@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
      <song words deleted for brevity>
>Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane (?)
>Without his lifelong friend Puff could not be brave
>And Puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave.
>
>
>When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
>teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?
>
>-Nance
>-- 
>Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
>att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
>                            (_) \(_)                           

Peter Yarrow, the writer of the song, once said something like:

    _Puff_ is NOT a song about drugs.  It is a song
    about growing up, learning new things and leaving
    old things behind.  I know.  I wrote the song.

Jayne Ashworth, U.Va.
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From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Rice as a finger food?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:41:47 GMT
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California

In <92240.115153CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Douglas likes to eat rice, but is having trouble picking it up by himself
>and has basically sworn off of spoons for the time being.  Does anyone have
>a suggestion for making "rice balls" or something similar?

"Sushi rolls"!  Get the sheets of "sushi nori" sold for sushi rolls, cut
up a sheet into pieces 4 or 5 cm on a side, dab some rice in the middle,
and fold it over and squeeze it a bit.

You can also make real sushi rolls with a rolling mat, and then cut the
roll into pieces -- kitchen shears work well for cutting, BTW, though
real sushi chefs might disapprove. :)

This is one of Ethan's fun foods, and while mom and dad like various
other things in the roll (avocado, fish, etc.), Ethan tends to like just
our standard rice mix (which is actually brown rice and grains and
vegetable broth and stuff) in 'em.

P.S. Johanne just walked in and suggested another alternative -- mix the
rice with some cheese like mozzarella, make balls, and let cool a bit.

Good luck!

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Subject: Wood Playsets
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:55:02 GMT


Has anyone purchased one of the higher quality (and expensive)
wood playsets you've probably seen advertised by different
companies?  I'm thinking of buying one from CedarWorks in Maine,
one set they have on sale (ha!) has three swings, a couple of
ladders, some deck areas, trapeze bar, rings, and a 10' heavy-duty
plastic slide.  This is a mid-range one and is $1150, and they
charge a couple hundred to ship it.  We already have one of the
much lower priced (Sears) painted metal ones, but it's pretty
junky.
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:16 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

/ b-mrda:misc.kids / lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons) /  9:41 am  Aug 31, 1992 /

First, a caveat - my children are not homeschooled.  However, in my position
as Girl Scout leader, and through my husband's involvement in youth
soccer, I know of many children that are.  These children are soccer
players, Girl Scouts, gymnasts, whatever.  They aren't kept in little
cages with their parents every day.  While they may not do sports or
drama or band in a public school setting, there are many such outlets
available in the community.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"On the contrary, I have created a subroutine specifically
for you, a program within a program" - Data
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From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:36:49 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I'm also interested in information on booster seats.  My almost 4 year old
is still in his Renolux car seat in spite of his being large framed.

I looked at several booster seats today at ToysRUs and couldn't decide.

1) Do most preschoolers use booster seats or do most parents put their
   4 year olds directly on the seat using a seat belt?

2) What booster seat do YOU recommend?

3) Both of our cars have an automatic shoulder strap that is separate
   from the seat belt.  Does that effect the utility of one of those
   special gizmos that supposedly readjusts the shoulder strap for little
   bodies?

Inquiring minds want to know.

(thanks)

Barbara
From: loram@sco.COM (Lora MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:21:13 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <21962@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> lev@ipxed5.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) writes:
>
>for my friend sandra.....
>
>Does anyone out there have a remedy for morning
>sickness other than post partum?
>
>
>
>help please!
>
>
>
>
>--
>|suned1!lev@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov|lev@suned1.nswses.navy.mil|sun!suntzu!suned1!lev|
>|S.T.A.R.S. The revolution has begun!|  My Opinions are Mine mine mine hahahah!|


I am sure many have told you to try soda crackers amd plain cookies but if
you are like me this will not work. I was so sick with my first, now
9 1/2 mo, that I use to get up 10 min early to get ready for work.  The
worst with morning sickness is that your stomach is empty. This may
sound silly but if you can drink a little water you will not strain
your stomach as much. The one thing I did notice was if I was rushing
in the morning, as I usually am, I was always sick. On the weekend
it was not as bad. Try to set your alarm for a 1/2 hour early and
get up really slow.

I am pregnant again, 6mo, and I am not as bad this time. I don't wake
up sick but the smell of my husbands deodorant or my hairspray!!!!
I also don't change to many of the dirty dirty dipers if my husband
is close by.

Anyway I hope this helps. You are not alone. 
As a funny side to this, if there is one, everytime I am sick
my husband put it to music.
uuuuuuurg,  "goes the weasel"

good luck
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:


    	I want 3 boys, have one alreday, but have decided that if the
    3rd one was a girl, I'd keep her :-) ;-)

    	I hope this one isn't a girl, though, because I don't want 2
    girls and therefore won't take that chance (we really want 3 kids, but
    will stop at 2 if it's a girl).  It's not as much because I stereotype
    ...

I felt this way too - what would I do with a girl?  When baby #1 arrived,
wahla, a girl - and you know what?  I actually found myself recently hoping
that I would have another girl!!  I still would like a boy, but don't rule
out how you will feel about having girls until you've had one - it is not
as bad as you think - and in my case it is truly wonderful!

Danielle (Taylor's Mom - see we even picked a "boys" name!)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: helm@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Kent Helm)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:27:15 GMT

choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

>Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
>baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
>any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
>was it?

>diana

You bet.  They are great.  Like the other follow-up poster I agree that
limited time is best. 

They can eat their Cheerios on them too.

Best part:  if you've got a porch like we do (concrete slab) they can
be outside and move around and have fun in the out-of-doors.

We're sold.

Kent Helm
(503) 696-2187
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: LOGO Writer
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:12:00 GMT

Hi all! A short while back there was a discussion of this software.
Last week my 6 year old daughter went to 'computer space camp', where
they actually used it. She loved it, and now we are considering
buying it. Problem is we cannot locate it, or an address for the
compnay that sells it. We looked in my husband's PC Magazine, and
could not find the company (LOGO software inc, or some such, left
the paper at home) in the list of advertisers. So, if anyone has
any clues where to get this, I would be most appreciative!! Thanks.
                                        Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:05:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.190328.26810@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
>teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?

	No!  No, no, no!  Peter Yarrow and Paul Stookie have been
	trying to quell this rumor since it started.  It was
	written to be a coming of age song, about the way that
	adulthood takes us away from the magic we experience as
	children.  It was _not_ intentionally about drugs or
	drug use.  And being at least partially written by
	Paul -- who is an avid christian (try his BBS if you don't
	believe me) -- I sincerely doubt that any drug related
	lyrics were intended.

>-Nance

Sean.

---
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sean.l.gilley@att.com sgilley@cbnewsl[.cb].att.com, slg2@cblph[.cb].att.com
614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:08:45 GMT

There was a little article in this morning's LA Times pointing out
that one should _not_ use booster seats onboard aircraft.  All the
major airlines recommend that you not use them, but they are not
prohibited in the FARs.

The reason for not using them is that aircraft seats will fold forward
in an impact, injuring the child.  This doesn't happen in cars.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Dappi Users
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:25:28 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

I don't know if this is legal or not, but Target is having a sale
on Dappi's.  They are regularly $5.99 but on sale for $3.99 (they are in
the cloth diaper section with little red clearance tags on them).

They also have their "baby oneida" stuff (some of it) in clearance
also.  I bought 8 onesies for $14.00 ($3.50 a pkg instead of $4.99 or
$6.99).

Cheers!

michelle
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore)
Subject: Re: Predicting ovulation (again)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:17:20 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute, Inc.

In article <eaa-030992134020@smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk> eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:
>
>But then someone posted that you ovulate 14 days before your period, 
>
>I know about detecting ovulation through taking your temperature daily and 
>through checking your cervical mucus.  But what if you don't have any/can't
>notice any cervical mucus?  (Please don't say, but you must have some!!)
>
I'm no expert on the cervical mucus method, but ---

The way it was explained to me was there is always a set number of days between
ovulation and the start of your next period no matter how irregular your periods
are.  But, the set number of days may vary from person to person.  For me it 
was 12 days.

Also, if you can't detect any cervical mucus that may be the reason you aren't
getting pregnant.  It is a necessary ingredient.  I've heard that there is
medication you can take to increase the amount of mucus but since I didn't have
that problem I really don't know anything more about it.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>
>I know I'm going to get tons of "*you're* not a parent so you can't
>possibly know what it's like to deal with a constantly crying baby...etc"
>responses, but here goes anyway...  When I read of/see parents who hold
>their babies in their laps (for *whatever* reason) it really gets to
>me.  There are far too many stories of children in accidents getting
>thrown right through the windshield or through the window.  Every time
>I see it I get a sickening feeling in my stomach because the parents
>should know better, and would have worse problems than constant crying
>should a car hit them.
>
>I am honestly interested in the opinions of all you misc.kidders out
>there on this.  Am I alone in this.

I don't see how anyone could disagree with you on this.  Kids in cars
should be in proper safety restraints.  If they're upset, you stop, or
do what you can to reassure them, but you don't endanger their safety
to quiet them down.  And I have driven long distances with a colicky
baby.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon)
Subject: Re: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:36:05 GMT

jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:


>Our firstborn didn't use the Johnny-jump-up that we bought because
>our pediatrician recommended it over a walker.  He didn't like it at
>all.  He LOVED the walker.  We still have it as we now have a new son,
>but I won't be a bit surprised if he, too, doesn't use it.

>Also, you have to have the "right" type of door opening to use a JJU.


Ezra dearly loves his Graco jump up.  I only put him in it about once a
week.  So, he thinks it is a treat.   He jumps, twirls and squeals for an
hour in it.  I let him play until he fizzes out.  But then, I would never
use any product for a long term babysitter....walker, jumper, playpen or
otherwise.  It is a toy and a toy that should be used sparingly.

Deantha
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rgciccot@ibis.icd.ab.com (Rich G. Ciccotti)
Subject: Fluoride mouth rinse
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:33:43 GMT

Hello,

My 5yo son has just started kindergarten this week, and he has
the opportunity to participate in a fluoride mouth rinse program
three times/week presumably for the prevention of tooth decay.
The school he attends is in a largely rural district, so I am assuming
that this program is geared more towards children from households
with an unfluoridated water supply.  Our water is supplied by the
local village and is fluoridated, so I was wondering if the mouth
rinse would be beneficial to him, possibly overkill, or even
harmful. Does anyone have any information/opinion on fluoride
rinses?

Thanks in advance,
Rich.
--
Rich Ciccotti 
Allen-Bradley / Automation Systems Architecture
747 Alpha Drive                            internet: rgciccot@icd.ab.com
Highland Heights, Ohio  44143                 voice: (216) 646-4410
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Subject: FAQ site for strollers and cribs???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:38:15 GMT

Rather than tie up the network with what must obviously be a FAQ on
the best stroller and crib to buy, could someone please tell me where
the FAQ list for these subjects might be and how to access them?

Thanks in advance

Bonnie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:39:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
 > ... When I read of/see parents who hold their babies in their laps
 > (for *whatever* reason) it really gets to me.  There are far too
 > many stories of children in accidents getting thrown right through
 > the windshield or through the window.  Every time I see it I get a
 > sickening feeling in my stomach because the parents should know
 > better, and would have worse problems than constant crying should a
 > car hit them.
 > 
 > I am honestly interested in the opinions of all you misc.kidders out
 > there on this.

I agree that a safer screaming child is better than a quiet child in
danger.  If anybody thinks they can hold a baby in their lap and
properly restrain them in even a moderate crash, they're simply
mistaken.  Studies have shown that the child is thrown forward with a
force of several hundred pounds.  

On the other hand, nobody said the Mom the original poster mentioned
had this delusion.  I can certainly relate to being very tempted to
break down in various circumstances because of the frustration of
dealing with an inconsolable infant, and I don't think my daughter
ever approached the sort of incessent screaming level that was
described by the original post.  Parents are human, and I think the
best things the parents in question can do are:

  1. Steel themselves for the worst, and try very hard not to break
     down and remove the child from the carseat without first pulling
     over in a safe spot and stopping the car.

  2. Avoid long trips like the one described from Kentucky to Florida.
     It's just asking for trouble.  This is a case of the parents
     recognizing their own human weaknesses and simply avoiding
     situations in which they will be severely tested.  There would
     have to be an extraordinarily compelling reason to make such a
     trip; much stronger than, say, giving the grandparents a chance
     to see the baby.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:06:56 GMT

In article <26AUG199217142046@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:


>I thought that, statistically, most of the school bus injuries were a result 
>of the driver running over the children, presumeably because there are places 
>a child can stand near the bus and cannot be seen. I spent a term in a school 
>in France, and one time was shut in a bus door (not hurt), as I got on late 
>on the round, and as the bus served several schools and was really full, had 
>to get off at the first school and get back on again. The driver didn't see 
>me standing just by the door.

I never heard those statistics, however it seems reasonable.  Last year, 
when my daughter was in 3rd grade, some kid threw her books and coat 
underneath a school bus.  She went underneath it to get them.  When I found 
out about it, naturally I flipped.  I had to explain to her never to do 
that.  I don't care about her books or coat if the busdriver won't wait.  I 
told her to tell the bus driver or a teacher, but NEVER GO UNDERNEATH THE 
BUS>
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