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From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Representing myself--not my company
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Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:02:44 GMT

ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
: In article <1992Aug06.202509.2209532@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom 
: Tyrer) writes:
: > I guess what I see here is that there is a broad spectrum of beliefs among
: > Christians.  And in this broad spectrum are those who misuse and abuse the
: > Bible to coerce those around them into becoming believers.  Unfortunately,
: > as is often the case, this has developed a stereotype of the Christian and
: > now all Christians are being labeled with this stereotypical behavior.
: 
: No, it has only developed a stereotype of the xtians who post to the net 
: saying that their way is the only way, and those who do not adhere will have 
: bad things happen to them and/or  their children.
: 

One-way-ism is not foreign to the Bible.  Biblical Christians, by definition,
trust it as the "only way".  Christ Himself said He was the only way and that
nobody comes to the Father but by Him.  Furthermore, the Bible does teach
over and over again the existance of a heaven and a hell.  So we need not
consider "steriotypical xtians", etc., but only need look at the Bible itsself
to see one-way-ism clearly spelled out.  Therefore, those who are not believers
of this one-way-ism are not, by definition, Biblical Christians.

This might lead one to ask why religious people at the start of this nation
would gather and adopt religious freedom as one of the guarantees of the
first ammendment to our constitution.  But to understand this clearly, the
idea of religious tollerance is not that all beliefs are right or that all
paths to everything are equally good.  It is a statement of how people
are not to mistreat one another because of their beliefs whether they be
right or wrong.

However, we need not expect the existance or judgements or character of God
to turn upon our beliefs as if the tail wags the dog.  And, just as the Lord
holds the Christian accountable, He holds the non-christian responsible, too.
That is why the scripture says clearly that the fear of the Lord is the
beginning of wisdom.

But, before the Christian judges the athiest saying "the fool hath said in
his heart there is no God", understand that this does less to call the
athiest a fool than to call the fool an athiest.  Obviously, the sinner,
"christian" or not, somehow thinks the Lord is not looking!

So, christians stand your ground firmly and confidently as you respect the
freedom of others.  Don't be flustered or swindled by the devil or his agents
into thinking that your beliefs amount to a denial of other's rights.  But
by the same standard, don't be so arrogant to think that you have a right
to abuse others.  Be careful to understand clearly and distinguish between
true and false guilt so that nobody can come around and use false guilt to
manipulate and take full control of your life!!!  Repent from real sins and
laugh at fake ones!  But never forget that you have a right to be a Christian!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:32:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.141030.29758@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:
>Okay, one more stab at this thing, then I'm dropping the subject.
>
>In article <1992Aug19.203508.24567@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>Nobody is saying that you should ignore or in any way interfere with
>this wonderful and natural process by which children learn and absorb 
>general knowledge from the world around them!  Doman does not say that.
>Absolutely not!  You did not read him very closely if that is what 
>you think.  But his idea is to rather to augment the process by 
>including some things for them to absorb that are perhaps more 
>worthwhile than the words to "The Wheels On The Bus Go Round and Round" 
>and the ability to recognize 5 different kinds of breakfast cereals on 
>sight.  Like maybe birds.  

What is wrong with a child knowing the words to "The wheels on the bus..."?
My son happens to like the song, and had a lot of fun with it. I agree that
it is also nice to give children the names of birds, but from your post you
seem to think that any knowledge that wont be useful when older is a waste of
time. Why? I guess I just dont see that. Let a young child decide what it
wants to learn, and have fun with it.
>
>>My new inlaws were in town this week, and they wanted to spend as much 
>>time with their new (and first) grandchild. Most days they just stayed 
>>in the hotel. I have never realized how wonderful a hotel is, until I 
>>heard all the different areas a 2.5 year old can find amusement.
>
>The knowledge he 'absorbed' will probably be of great use to him
>later in life if he becomes a travelling salesman.  

See? this is what I mean. Not only was this an incredibly snotty response, but
it implies that the time he spent exploring and having fun was a waste, unless he
becomes a travelling salesman. 

My son is very fascinated with garbage trucks right now. Tell him it is friday and
he will say "The garbage trucks are going to pick up the garbage today". He will
listen for each truck (we get three pick ups) and then go out and watch it. This is
usually done with Grandma, but last week I was with him. He also told that the truck
would go down the little street (cul de sac) and then come back on our street. One of
his favorite toys is a grabage truck. Unless you have completely over simplified your
position this is all a waste of time, unless he is going to be a garbage collector.
Well, Mail Trucks seem to be moving into prominence.

Laura Floom
	

Laura Floom
From: brenda_cripps@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: Questions re: left handedness
Originator: brendac@joyofsax
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:12:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: lefthanded child, righthanded parents
Followup-To: 


I was the only lefty in our family.  The one thing that I really had
trouble with was writing.  The teacher had everyone slant their papers
to the left to write (like righties do).  I learned to write with the
paper slanted the wrong direction because I didn't know any better.
That's probably why a lot of lefties write weird.
I finally taught myself how to print all over again with the paper
slanted the right direction when I was in college.  It was a painful
process.  I still have to turn the paper around in order to do longhand
writing.

The only other thing I wish I'd done was learned how to bat lefthanded.
Everybody else in the neighborhood was right handed, so I just copied
them.

As far as silverware goes, it's already in the best position for lefties.
Don't go overboard trying to accomodate him because he's going to have to
learn how to adapt eventually.

Good Luck!


-- 
Brenda Cripps
Mentor Graphics Corporation
8005 SW Boeckman Road
Wilsonville  OR 97070-7777
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.173114.26603@advtech.uswest.com>, diane@camdenuswest.com ( Diane Diesh) writes:
> Believe me, I know about trying to get an axillary (armpit) temperature
> from a squirmy, irritable (usually--the kid's sick, right?) 2YO.  But
> one trick that helps somewhat is sticking the thermometer under the armpit
> from the back, rather than the front.  That way, they can't grab it.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Want to bet? :-)  We think Billy has a future as an Olympic gymnast...

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [27 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:57:14 GMT

I tried to e-mail this, but it bounced.

Here are a couple of suggestions which could help with your neighbor, 
especially in terms of having time to yourselves.  Set up one or two weekends
a month and declare them "family" weekends.  The idea is that the whole
family is going to spend the weekend together without friends.  That way the
neighbor kids won't have their feelings hurt and it might be a shock to their
parents that they actually have to take care of their own kids all weekend.

My other idea was to get the other parents to agree to watch your kids all
day some weekend day so you and your husband can "catch up" (be sure and wink
as you say it so they get the idea that children barging in would be 
inappropriate.)  Then offer to do the same for them some weekend and have
that weekend planned to accomodate the kids in ways that they won't fight the
whole time.

Also, if you want time without Matthew, try a "ladies luncheon" or "girls
to be alone with other girls.  I know this sounds chauvanistic, but there
are times when girls just want to be with othe girls.  

One last thing.  Do you know any boys Matthew's age you could introduce him
to?  Maybe he could establish a friendship with another boy and that would
help both him and his sister.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:00:05 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <1992Aug18.221215.28413@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) 
writes:
> An even cooler idea than duplicate blankets is to encourage
> your baby to use a cloth diaper instead of a blanket.  This
> was a tip we heard from friends.  They're replaceable, cleanable,
> and come in packages of 12!

We did this entirely by accident.  Matthew was a terrible spitter and no 
one went anywhere with him without a diaper on his/her shoulder for about 
the first nine months of his life unless they wanted to be *covered* with 
spit-up!!  So the diapers became his blankies.  I, of course, ran out and 
bought another package when the ones he was using started to get pretty 
raggy and, lo and behold, he would have nothing to do with them.  Seems the 
raggier they are, the better he likes them.  My husband's cousin told me 
it's the soft, frayed edges they like to stroke and, now that I've watched 
him, it seems to be true.  She says her daughter did the same thing with 
her blankie - it was the frayed edges.  It gets kind of embarassing for 
him to be dragging around these raggy diapers, but I have several 
of them, so at least they are clean!! 

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Cost of giving birth???
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:05:40 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug12.130241.529@afit.af.mil>, mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele 
L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
> In article <1992Aug7.181913.19667@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> 
kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com 
> >I don't dispute the truthfulness of the above, but saving money is a
> >terrible reason for having your child at home instead of in a hospital.
> 
> It's hard to argue a statement like that.  Our home birth was less than
> $1,000, but was all out of our pocket.  If we had delivered in the
> hospital, we would have paid about $10 for the room.  So saving money
> was definitely not the reason we chose a home birth.  We chose  a home
> birth because we wanted to give our child the best possible start in
> life.  *For us*, we decided that would be home birth.  If there had been
> any reason to suspect complications, we would have transported
> immediately.

Same here.  The issue for me wasn't money (although the savings was very very 
nice) it was safety. (BTW Michele, you're still bouncing.  Your machine 
doesn't know about you)
 
> >One complication, a 30 minute delay getting to the ER, and your child
> >*could* end up paying for your economy for the rest of his/her life.
> >
> There are risks in everything -- the risks for us were lower at home.
> Having a baby in hospital does not guarantee a healthy baby. Some babies
> get sick *because* they're in the hospital.

And your child could pay for your having an epidural for the rest of his/her 
life, etc. etc.  There definitely are risks to everything.  Part of the 
prenatal education process should include enough information to make an 
informed decision regarding costs and benefits.
 
> >> My midwife is pretty flexible with what it covers. I am free to call
> >> her with any questions about my baby's care, even past the 6 week
> >> postpartum checkup.
> >
> >I'm confused.  I thought the function of the midwife was with prenatal
> >care and the birth process, not the continuing care of the baby?
> >
> Midwives are generally knowledgeable about health care in general.  They
> used to be the primary health care provider in the community a long time
> ago (1700's and earlier).  They were pretty much forced out of business
> by doctors.

I've found in many cases that the midwives were correct when the doctors were 
just plain wrong.  It's all relative.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:40:29 GMT

stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
: Several people said that misc.kids is not an appropriate place for this argument.
: I think they are wrong.
: 

I understand your fears and feelings.  We all want the last word and wish to
avoid having children forced into believing others' views that we feel may
be dangerous.

We've stated our views openly on both sides, pursued flame wars, and argued
our pointes both intelligently and unintelligently on both sides, and in the
end, we still have differing views.  And, the world situation hasn't changed
much as a result.

What does make a difference here is the fact that we can come to this group
with questions regarding what is available in terms of car seats, and we can
get several good answers.  We can ask about encyclopedias and children's
books and get good answers with varying opinions.

We can rage on about witch's rights, athiest ideas, christian viewpoints, etc.,
but in the end, we will stand by our beliefs and the flame wars will not
matter much at all except that others may become alienated against us for
the way we behave.

I feel that we are sorely mistaken in airing our religious views through flames
here on this newsgroup.  I've been at least as wrong as anyone else.  But, I
would like to change that.

Let's exercise some self-control and discipline and turn this group back around
to being the helpful-hints group it once was.  I will be glad to answer any
comments regarding this or religeous matters, etc., off-line via email.

Thank you for  your cooperation.

	 Dan
From: Scott@ami.spacecoast.org (Scott Wills)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:48:10 GMT
Organization: Home Brew UUCP
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8m

We've been very happy with our Gerry (Deluxe Model) through our
daughter's first year.  She plays with the transmitter occasionally
and thinks the antenna is a handle.  My wife even thought the U-shaped
antenna on the receiver was a handle, but both (antennae) have proven
sturdy.

Range is pretty good.  I can walk to the next door neighbor's driveway
while the transmitter is in the back bedroom (nursery) and still hear
pretty well with fresh batteries.

Come to think of it, I did have to replace the battery eliminator
(power pack) with a radio shack model that I already had.  The small
wires developed an "intermittent open" (translation: loose connection)
where they enter the molded housing.

We leave it plugged in most of the time (beware of neighbor's with
similar monitors ;-), in fact I can hear it now.
--
Scott Wills
Scott@Ami.SpaceCoast.Org
mwills@x102a.ess.harris.com
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pregnancy Tests
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:30 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

I posted yesterday my questions regarding how early a pregnancy test can be 
done.  The response has been great.  I hope to post an overview summary very
soon.  I have tried to thank everybody so far!

Anyway, I called my doctor office today to ask how must a pregnancy test
would cost and how soon it could be done.  The answer was $15 and 10 days
after you think you conceived.  SO, this means that I can try testing
Saturday or Sunday (1st morning urine).  I asked if the home test would
be a accurate that early and she repeated that they can work as early
as 10 days after conception!

So, I only have 2-3 more days to wait.  I think I will buy a double kit so
if the first try is negative, I can try again!

Just thought you would all like to know!

-- Susan Davis


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From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Announcement
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:36:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Aug14.173636.8712
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T



     I would like to announce the arrival of

		Alison Whitney Carr
		   May 11, 1992
		      7:15 pm
		   8 lbs  15 oz
		     20" long

Alison is now 3 months old and a very healthy 16 lbs (25" tall too).
Despite being a very spitty baby and giving her parents a terrible fright
the first time she came home (because of a major choking incident, we were
home only 20 minutes before we were heading back to the hospital with the
EMTs!!!), she is obviously gaining wonderfully.  [No I am NOT overfeeding
her; I am nursing on demand, but her doctor is not concerned because she is
also so tall.]

Now, we are learning how to be a working (as in outside of the home)
family!

	Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: donna@vogon.att.com (Donna J. Dixon)
Subject: Re: Miscarriage - Progesterone
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:13:09 GMT

From article <183018@pyramid.pyramid.com>, by devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols):
> 
> Since there have been a few postings lately on the topic of
> miscarriage, I thought it might be okay to pursue it a little further.  
> 
> I recently had a miscarriage in my fourth month.  Since this was
> my third miscarriage and I have had a great deal of difficulty 
> conceiving my doctor suspects that I have low progestrone levels.  
> We are currently running tests to obtain a baseline from which to
> work on future pregnancies.  
>
  I had a blood work-up done immediately after I found out I was
  pregnant  for the third time.  My second pregnancy was a miscarriage
  so  the doctor wanted to see me right away.  The blood work-up
  revealed that my progesterine level was too level, so I was started
  on progesterine suppositories immediately.  A week later, my 
  progesterine levels were not much better so they doubled the dosage.
  The third week  showed that my progesterine was at aan acceptable
  level.  I remained on the suppositories twice a day until the sixteen
  week.  During that time I was told that until they heard a heartbeat,
  I could have a miscarriage (there was a heartbeat detected with a
  ultrasound at 6 weeks, but they didn't know if I could maintain the
  pregnancy when there is a progesterine problem).  At 16 weeks, there
  was a heartbeat and I was taken off the medication.  Megan went
  full term and appears to be a healthy baby.  I wasn't told of any
  possible negative side effects.


-- 
--
Donna J. Dixon
Naperville, Illinois
{ ...!att!vogon!donna, donna@vogon.att.com }
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stupid potty training question
Date: 21 Aug 1992 15:31:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:28:03 -0400 (EDT)

RJ, now 2.5, started sitting down, until he began watching daddy.  We
have a step stool for the bathroom so he can reach.  He will sit down if
we are somewhere else, and at daycare, because he is still too short. 
But mostly he pees "like daddy", and brags about it too.

-Shirl
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <19361@drutx.ATT.COM>, seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) writes:
|> One week to due date.
|> Ha, ha. I'm betting on 2 weeks until I can finally hold this kid. It's the
|> first and we know how often they make their due dates!

You are right, they rarely make their due dates.  In fact, Andrea missed her
due date by 15 days EARLY!!  And 5 days before she was born, my OB told me I
would probably go another 3 weeks based on the sonogram I just had.  Just goes
to show Andrea has a mind of her own and did not care what the Dr. or the
sonogram said.  Funny, she has been that way ever since :-)

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: OPRRJG@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Bob Guiles)
Subject: The Brave Lil' Toaster
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:20:52 EDT

I am looking for a copy of the book 'The Brave Lil' Toaster' by
Philip K. Dick. Anyone have a copy they will sell me? My second
choice would be to have the same title by the author Dahl.
 
Thanks,
Bob
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:26:24 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Aug12.185324.20126@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>
kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:
>Our experience is that as long as your kid is gaining weight
>appropriately, it doesn't matter.  Skim milk has the same
>nutritional value as whole milk.  The difference is in the fat.
>Kids need more fat than adults because they need more calories.
>
  Seems to me I read somewhere that kids need the fat not just for
the calories - something that has to do with the nervous system...
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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