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Subject: demacs kills DOSKEY
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:55:44 +0000

I just installed Emacs on my 386 PC. I am using the version that I found in
the archive at oak.oakland.edu. This announces itself as Demacs version
1.2.0 (based upon emacs 18.55). Once I got the environment variables sorted
out demacs works correctly even with 386MAX. However, after exiting demacs
(with C-x C-c) any DOSKEY macros are lost as is the DOSKEY command recall
function.

Is there any way to fix this so that my DOSKEY macros are kept and my
command recall will continue to work?

Regards, Trevor.

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: Does DEMACS work reliably for anyone?
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:24:11 GMT
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <bruce.0cvx@zuhause.MN.ORG> bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce
Albrecht) writes: 

> I haven't seen any problems where characters are ignored or doubled, but
> I have had a lot of problems where DEMACS hangs, presumably because its
> 32-bit DOS extender is incompatible with other ones, like the one provided
> with Turbo C++ V3.0.

I'm surprised to hear this.  My DOS programming environment at work IS
Turbo C++ 3.0 and demacs and they work well together.  I haven't had
problems with the two being incompatible.  You might try adjusting the
amount of extended memory each uses (-keep in demacs) to ensure that
they aren't conflicting.

Now only if I could debug Turbo C++ programs from within demacs... :-)

- terry -
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From: mconlon@stat.ufl.edu (Mike Conlon)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Defining new meta key
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:11:44 GMT
Distribution: comp.emacs
Organization: University of Fl, Department of Statistics

I am using Emacs on a DEC VT1000 X terminal and I would like to
redefine one of the function keys to be the Meta key (there is
no escape key on the keyboard).

Actually, I just want to redefine one of the function keys to 
produce an escape when pressed.

In my .emacs I have
--
Michael Conlon                  
Department of Statistics               
University of Florida   
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: rsw@tfs.com (Rob White)
Subject: looking for lucid  emacs
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:12:29 GMT

I am looking for a compiled version of lucid emacs for an isi
machine (M 68020). Replies to my net address please.
From: Energy and Climate Information Exch <ecixdy@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:41 PST
Subject: microEMACS for MS-DOS - dig here
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1346900008:000:2666
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecixdy    Dec 23 09:41:00 1992


For those seeking microEMACS for IBM PC / MS-DOS, I received the
following email which correctly points out ways to get it.  I
have used both the ftp access and bbs dialup.  The files are the
same and are not contaminated by any known viruses.  However, the
author did not cash my $25 check and to this date has not
responded to my inquiries regarding my registration payment.  The
author's note follows.

-------------------------------------------------------------

From sawmill!mdbs!dan@uunet.UU.NET Thu Nov 12 08:15:22 1992
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:35:32 EST
From: sawmill!mdbs!dan@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Next official release of MicroEMACS

Thank you for your inquiry,

MicroEMACS is available from a number of different sources. Via
FTP on ARPAnet, it can be obtained from midas.mgmt.purdue.edu
(128.210.13.1) via anonymous FTP. That version is always the
latest full release (in this case version 3.11) in compressed TAR
format.

Also you can call my BBS system, The Programmer's Room, at (317)
742-5533 to receive the very latest interim release (version
3.11c at this time). This version is not always guarenteed to be
completely bug free, but it will always be the latest. The latest
full release is also available from this BBS.

Lastly, the below listed releases are available by sending a
check for $25 for each product you which to recieve and specify
the disk format you can read. You will recieve the proper disks
with sources, executables and printable documentation. Also we
will keep you informed of new major releases and products. The
address is:

        Daniel Lawrence
        617 New York St
        Lafayette, IN 47901

Current Products:

        MicroEMACS 3.11
        MicroSPELL 2.0

Projections on upcoming products include:

        MicroEMACS 3.12                 Sep 92
        MicroSPELL 2.1                  Sep 92

If you have any more questions, feel free to send other queries to:

Daniel Lawrence         (317) 742-5153
UUCP:   {ihnp4!pur-ee!}mdbs!dan
ARPA:   mdbs!dan@ee.ecn.purdue.edu
FIDO:   1:201/10 The Programmer's Room (317) 742-5533

END author's note

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From: morje@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Prabhav G Morje)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Help needed: Customising Emacs
Date: 28 Dec 1992 02:24:50 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu
Summary: emacs customisation
Keywords: emacs keys customization customisation


	I am trying to modify my .emacs file to get some redefine some
keys. I succeed in redefining 'ESC j' by saying
(global-set-key "\ej" 'save-buffer)

but there are many keys which send signals like e.g. 'ESC O p'.
Everything that I have tried for such keys like "\eOp" or "\eO-p" fails.

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

- Prabhav
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: vbhatt@cs.cornell.edu (Vivek Bhatt)
Subject: Using a mouse with DEMACS
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:12:24 GMT


HI,

My knowledge about DOS is very limited. I recently started using a 486 and
installed DEMACS (emacs being my favourite editor on Sparc).

I have a couple of questions about DEMACS and any replies/pointers will be
appreciated.
1. Can I use the mouse with DEMACS ?
2. Is there a windows version of DEMACS?

Thanks,

--Vivek

Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.epoch.misc
From: rob@fosters.med.utah.edu (Rob Sargent)
Subject: Re: strange replace-regexp behavior
Organization: University of Utah
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:30:44

Perhaps the most direct and generic way to remove the first column
from consecutive lines of text is kill-rectangle.
rjs

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e-mail: rob@fosters.med.utah.edu         U. of Utah Medical School     
				         Eccles Genetics Bldg
				         Salt Lake City, Utah  84112

Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: scroll-other-window glitch?
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:58:47 GMT

John Jack Repenning (jackr@wpd.sgi.com) wrote:
: There's this mildly annoying thing that happens occasionally; I'm
: wondering if anyone knows why, or if there's anything I can do to
: prevent it.
: 
: It happens in several modes that split the window into an index and a
: text display - modes like gnus and mh-e.  Usually, when you're
: displaying a long text item and page it with [space], it scrolls
: smoothly.  Sometimes, though, it "hiccups": the mode line between the
: index pane and the text pane bounces up and down, and the whole text
: area blanks and redraws.  Just today, I had a performance-sensitive
[stuff deleted]

For what it's worth, I've also seen this behaviour.
Version 18.57.6 on a Sun.
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: theobald@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Allen M. Theobald)
Subject: Jump scrolling problem
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:17:09 GMT


Fellow Netters!

In emacs *shell* and *cmushell* is there any way to turn jump
scrolling off?  I would like it to become smooth so that 'cat'
and 'more' work correctly.  This command works for the buffers
but not the *shell* or *cmushell* buffers:


	;; this set smooth scrolling when cursor goes off page
	(setq scroll-step 1)



		Thanks,

		Allen
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu (Bruce Gotwols)
Subject: Escape sequences under MicroEmacs
Summary: How to rebind an escape sequence under MicroEmacs
Keywords: MicroEmacs escape sequences
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:45:30 GMT

Can anyone tell me how to rebind a key that sends out an escape sequence
under MicroEmacs?  The various schemes I have seen people use with GNU Emacs 
do not seem to work under MicroEmacs.  Let me give a specific example:
to bind the keypad plus key on a VT100 (this key emits escOl) I have tried
	bind-to-key delete-previous-character M-Ol
where M stands for the Meta (ie. escape) character.  I have tried variants
of the above like M-"Ol", "M-Ol", "\eOl", but none seem to work.  The best I 
have been able to do is to bind only one character after the Meta character.
		
			Thanks, bruce
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SPAN:      APLSP::STR::GOTWOLS
From: js@ix.de (Juergen Seeger)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Lucid-Emacs 8 bit output
Summary: Emacs, 8 Bit
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:17:11 GMT
Organization: iX-Redaktion
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


Does anyone know a hack to Lucid Emacs NOT to display characters above ASCII
127 in octal? Should be displayed in the normal way, I think.

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: "John Morey" <p00103@mail.psi.net>
Subject: screen colors and demacs
Organization: Hitachi Telecom
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:30:46 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.11)

I was wondering if it is possible to set the screen and text colors when
using demacs on an IBM compatable.

Thanks for any answers,

John Morey
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: Re: DEMACS using djgpp1.09
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Distribution: comp.emacs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:25:26 GMT

In article <NEVILLE.92Dec17144555@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>, neville@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Neville E. Nagarwalla) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 
|> I am having trouble starting up DEMACS. I downloaded the new
|> djdev109.zip and replaced my old go32.exe with the one in
|> djdev109.zip, but could not get the new go32.exe to work.
|> Typing 
|> 	go32.exe demacs
|> causes my system to hang. This happens in a DOS window inside desqview/x
|> 1.02 as well as at the bare DOS prompt outside desqview/x
|> Could someone send me their working copy of  go32.exe (as .zip,
|> please). It would have to be the one that comes with djgpp1.09, since
|> djgpp1.08 doesn't work perfectly under desqview/x.
|> I have a 486/33 with 24Mb RAM and 800 Mb HD.
|> 
|> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|> Thank you,

|> 
|> Neville Nagrwalla
|> neville@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu


	Did you have to do anything special to get demacs working with
Desqview/X? If I try to run demacs under Desqview/X, it reboots my machine! This
is with Desqview 1.02 and demacs 1.2.0.

	Also, has anyone else had problems with file locking? Many times when I
attempt to edit a file, I get the message "Cannot load file "userlock"" and
demacs refuses to change the file. Other times it works fine. I also get a lot
of "File has changed since last read. Save anyway?" stuff, which I know is
incorrect since this is a truly single-user machine.



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OptImage Interactive Services Company, L.P.	walter@optimla.aimla.com
11040 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite #300		netcom!optimla!walter
Los Angeles, Ca. 90025				(310) 445-5718
Xref: sparky comp.emacs:3890 comp.sys.mac.programmer:20482
From: edw@distant.uucp (Ed Watkeys)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Anyone have MicroEmacs 3.Xx source for Macintosh ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:18:33 EST
Organization: Distant Software
Reply-To: edw@distant.uucp
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


In article  (comp.emacs,comp.sys.mac.programmer), vladimir@intrepid.com (Vladimir Vukicevic) writes:
> In article <brucet.725172992@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch) writes:
> >
> >How about C sources for ANSI terminal emulation under Think C which are
> >a little more flexible than Think's console library ?
> >
> 
> I've searched high & low, but I couldn't find anything like this (I need
> it for a csh-like shell for mac). I've taken up to modifying the console.
> If you want a copy of it when I'm finished, mail me.

Why not use the Communications Toolbox's Terminal Manager?

> 	- Vladimir

Ed

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From: jackr@wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: How Does M-x resolve ambiguities?
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:00:43
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dblues.wpd.sgi.com

Suppose, in GNU Emacs, you have two commands (meaning M-x'able
things), where one's name is a proper head of the other (xxx and
xxxyyy).  When you type "M-x xxx<rtn>", you don't seem to get a
consistent result: sometimes you get the short, exact match, sometimes
the longer partial match.  Why is that?  Is there some way I can
influence this preference?  

I have several such cases.  I think I always prefer that the shorter,
exact match be used, and it mostly is.  But one pair goes the other
way, and I'm sure I don't want it to!  The "offending" pair are both
autoloaded, one from site-init:

	(autoload 'gnuscope ...)

one from ~/.emacs:

	(autoload 'gnus ...)



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Silicon Graphics, Inc.		            Off:(415) 390-3027
Visual Magic Division			    Fax:(415) 390-6056
From: mavroidi@acf3.nyu.edu (Telly Mavroidis)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Problems with EMACS on a SUN using a MAC from Telnet
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:46:33 GMT
Organization: New York University


	Telnet for the mac makes the  ^S ^Q and ^C keys do strange
	things by default.  You have to press command-s on the mac (it's
	also under a menu for (I think)  setup keys).  There you have to
	delete these control keys from their assignments.  

	Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to make this permanent, so
	it you have to do this every time you open a new session.  If
	there's something I can add to the config.tel file I'd like to
	know.

--
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From: theobald@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Allen M. Theobald)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Time Mgmt in emacs
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:12:27 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Fellow Netters!

Does anyone know of lisp programs to do "time management" type
functionality?  Specifically, i'm looking for "daily log of
events" and "todo" type programs.

I know of this command in emacs:

	add-change-log-entry	      
	
to change log file and add an entry for the day.  It is nice, but
it puts its entries in the wrong order (newest at the top, oldest 
at the bottom).

Feel free to mail me or post to this news group.  I read both
regularly.


			Seasons Greetings!

			Allen
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From: LEVITTE@e.kth.se (Richard Levitte)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.epoch.misc
Subject: Re: strange replace-regexp behavior
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:15:27 GMT
Organization: Department of TeleTransmission Theory

Hmm... I tried to reply by mail, but it bounced.

>>>>> On 28 Dec 92 13:39:23 GMT, pat@gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan) said:

[...]

>In article 999, joe@blow said:
>>blah blah blah
>> blah blah blah

pmr> I wanted to remove the first '>' in each line.  Thus, I did:

pmr>    (replace-regexp "^>" "")

[...]

=>
pmr> In article 999, joe@blow said:
pmr> blah blah blah
pmr>  blah blah blah

I think this is what is happening (^ is the point after each operation):

Match:  >In article 999, joe@blow said:
         ^
Repl:   In article 999, joe@blow said:
        ^
...
Match:  >>blah blah blah
         ^
Repl:   >blah blah blah
        ^

Match:  >blah blah blah
         ^
Repl:   blah blah blah
        ^

... and the same for the last line.

Instead, try:

        (replace-regexp "^>\\(.*$\\)" "\\1")

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From: strong+@CMU.EDU (Thomas W. Strong, Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Does DEMACS work reliably for anyone?
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:53:29 GMT
Organization: Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopaznosti

pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen) writes:
> Does DEMACS work --- reliably?  I would appreciate email from anyone

I've been using it for a couple weeks now, and I haven't had too many
problems with it.  I have learned not to try o shell to DOS then print a
file...  it will hang when I try to exit the shell.  Also, it
occasionaly leaves the computer in a mode that sends every line to the
printer when it exits.  Other than thos two problems, and a couple of
inconsistencies that I expected with DOS, (keyboard flakienessand a lack
of background processes) it's been working fine.  I use it daily for
work, generally for several hours at a stretch.

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
  Tom Strong              N3NBB              ts49+@andrew.cmu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.emacs:3869 comp.os.os2.apps:9676
From: guy@silver.spear.apana.org.au (Guy Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Requested: Emacs for OS/2
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:51:32 +1100
Organization: silver APANA uucp site Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.spear.apana.org.au

I understand that there is an OS/2 port of Emacs.

Could anyone be so kind as to point me to a copy?

Thanks,

Guy Harrison
Synchronous Software P/L
Melbourne, Australia

Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.epoch.misc
From: olstad@kl.msc.edu (Ken Olstad)
Subject: Re: strange replace-regexp behavior
To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Rent-a-Lemming)
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.
	<RATINOX.92Dec28122732@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
	<RATINOX.92Dec28123104@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:22:20 GMT
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.05.

>>>>> On 28 Dec 92 17:32:07 GMT, ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Rent-a-Lemming) said:

Rat> I just realized a simpler way to do this. Define a keyboard macro
Rat> that does a "(re-search-forward "^>") C-d C-n". Then use a big
Rat> prefix count before C-x C-e to execute it.

Give it a prefix arg of 0.
Xref: sparky comp.emacs:3880 gnu.emacs.help:5195
From: amc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Allen M. Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Help needed: Customising Emacs
Keywords: emacs keys customization customisation
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:07:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Government Systems

In article <1hma42INN17l@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> morje@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Prabhav G Morje) writes:
>
>	I am trying to modify my .emacs file to get some redefine some
>keys. I succeed in redefining 'ESC j' by saying
>(global-set-key "\ej" 'save-buffer)
>
>but there are many keys which send signals like e.g. 'ESC O p'.
>Everything that I have tried for such keys like "\eOp" or "\eO-p" fails.
>
E.G.:  This works for me:
(global-set-key "\M-OP" 'scroll-down)
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From: kroupa%ARGOS.KAPSCH.CO.AT@vm.tcs.tulane.edu (Johannes Kroupa)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Numbered Backups (version control)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:06:56 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Ori Degani writes:
> Hi,
>   I'm using the version-control on emacs (actually epoch
> 4.0p2).  I was wondering if it even works right?  I usually
> save quite often (about every 5 minutes), but I don't get as
> many numbered backup files ($FILE.~n~).
> version (I saved a lot before that version)).

>          So I tried to edit a file just to see if the backup
> version thing works.  I changed just one character, and saved,
> did that 13 (lucky number) times.  What i got was just the
> original saved file, and the newest file.  (file.c and
> file.c.~1~).

Emacs (or epoch) makes a backup only the first time you save a file
(or if previously requested). To make a backup when saving use
universal-argument (one or more C-u's) before save-buffer (C-x C-s).
See explanation of save-buffer (e.g. type: C-h f (normally
bound to: describe-function) save-buffer) for details.

Happy holidays

-- Johannes

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