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From: shi6@joule.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Slaves_and_Beggars
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:15:46 GMT

In article <BxvnAw.8BJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> positron <achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>
>>Another patriot? 
>>
>
>No
>
>>
>>There are people who decided not to return no matter it's
>>true or not. What name do you have for them? 
>>
>
>Want_to_be_a_whiteman's_slave Chinese
>
>>
>>What do you call Chinese Americans? 
>>
>
>Descendents of slaves
>
>>What do you call people who immigrated? Refugees? Slaves?
>>Prostitutes?? 
>>
>
>
>If they immigrated from Europe, they are blood brothers
>of the "conquerers of the Americas".
>
>If they immigrated from Asia, they are beggars.
>
>
>>
>>Do you mean one should rot in his/her small hometown with
>>their ancestors?
>>
>
>(stuff deleted)
>
>>
>>Fan
>>
>
Our ancestor call such a person:

Duan1 Qi2 Wan3 Chi1 Fan4 (hold a rice bowl and eat)
Fang4 Xia4 Wan3 Ma4 Niang2 (put the bowl down and curse)

Sheldon


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: to shamer
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:27:20 GMT

First, everyone is responsible to and is evaluated by what he HIMSELF behaves.
Second, believe yourself then others will also believe you, and not then not. 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hongl@cs.tamu.edu (HL)
Subject: Please let Zhou Enlai rest in Peace
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:57:09 GMT

1).  I honestly believe Zhou had considered all the factors before he made 
the decision to do what he believed to be the best thing to do for china.

2).  Outsiders are always more clear than the people involved.  But again, 
outsiders may not know all the facts and difficulties he had to face.  
Pang2 guan1 zhe3 qing1, dang1 juu2 zhe3 mi2.

3).  For those of you who think he could have stopped Mao from doing wrong
things, think twice.  Zhou didn't have the power or military support.  Even
if he did, was starting a civil war really worth it?  People had suffered 
enough from World Wars.  Besides, he couldn't foresee what could happen in
the future, being in his shoes, he avoided internal fights by compromising.

4).  For those of you who think he should have stood up to Mao, then he would
be a hero, but would China be better off with a dead Zhou.  He put down his
pride, his honor, even himself, worked hard for the goals he believed would
be beneficial to China at that time.

5).  He was found with cancer in 1973, I think.  In the final 4 years of his
life, he could have chosen to lay back and rest, but instead, he chose to work
even harder in order to compete with time, to try to get as many barriers out 
of way as possible, and he suffered tremendously.

6).  For those of you who think he did wrong and want to punish him,
just think having no children as his punishment.  Even if the rumor were true
that he had children, then he couldn't know his children, live with his 
children, must be a painful thing.

7).  For those of you who like to judge people, just step in his shoes and
see if you can do better.  If not, then stop judging him.  If yes, then
have you done anything for the people.  Even if the answer is yes, shouldn't
you spend more time on helping others since you have the ability than judging
him.  May be you would say you don't have the power, but then since you have
the ability, you should be able to think some way to do more constructive 
things.

Finally, past is past.  I understand exploring the past would help us avoiding
mistakes in the future.  But concentrate too much on what would have been done
or what should have been done can't help us building a bright future.  Just
remember Zhou was only human being, he was not god, he couldn't control a lot
of things, he made mistakes, and he suffered for them.  So, I ask you all 
please let him rest peacefully.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hchen@csvaxe.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: test from china
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:13:06 GMT

In article <BxtrMD.90H@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, DXP_ZLH_CCP@Central.china. (Deng Xiaoping, Jr.) writes:
> HI there, IS the destination of this message America ?
> If so, congratulate me please.  dxp Jr.
yes, we got it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:04:22 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 >Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:50:25 EST
 >From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
 >Subject: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
 >
 > According to the World Daily, Li Renhuang, the politburo member of CCP, was
 > disappointed of all video/audio/movies products in the market (so were all
 > ordinary people). He called these products as garbages.
 >
 > Question: What else could chinese writers/directors produce other than
gabages
 > in that environment.
 > (deleted)


                   Another story:
                   A movie was sent to a top leader Mr. DDD.
                   He enjoyed watching it and repeated
                   n times.
                   When he praised his comrades getting such
                   a good movie, he  asked if it was released
                   publicly. His secretary told him that
                   it had been banned in name of HuangSe.
                   He sighed and said: human being!

                   X Xu
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: combat aircraft
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:33:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1ek751INN7v5
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

HI,  any of you read the article on Oct 1992 of Interavia aerospace
World.  anyway on page 20 it reads (...Shenyang's latest design is the J-9
which first flew in late 1991.  Founded over 50 years age, the Shenyang AircraftCorporation produced China's first jet fighter in 1956.  Since then it has
rolled out "thousands" of combat aircraft of then different types...
	The J-9 could be aerodynamucally unstable and have fly-by-wire controls
However, if it is related to an intriguing wind tunnel model displays by
the Chinese Aeronautics & Establishment (CAE) of a virtual F-16 clone, then 
It may be based on earlier technology......."

A Virtual F-16 clone??????????
any of you have a idea about what is going on??????

The article also said that the "...The F-8-II will have seven attachment points for a wide range of weapons and fuel tanks, and a 23mm canon with 200 rounds
Few of the earlier F-8-II versions have been produced and the F-8-II Export
may be too large and too advanced to sell .......for many of China's traditionalcustomers....)

The Interavia/Aerospace World is part of the Jane's information group...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialo@dso031.sch.ge.com (Jia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:31:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Power Generation

In article <1992Nov20.032130.1@cua.edu> you write:
>this kind of the "Mail Order".  To my surprise, most of this kind of 
>advertisements came from a specific area in the mainland of China.  
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				where???(Don't tell me it is Shanghai)
>Can any one make a comment  on it?
		    ^^^^^^
		NoComment!!!
_____________________________________________________________________
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    of GE Power Generation.
From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The capital city is to be changed
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:53:24 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <101548@bu.edu>, pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:

> 	The best way to rather uniformly develop China is 
> 	to change the capital city once in 5 years.


   Gee, how about puting the capital and the excutive committee on 
an aircraft carrier which continuously visits all ports around the
world. 


> 
> * I will appreciate if someone can present this to the excutive committee 
>   of the Chinese People's Congress.
> 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Subject: Re: Vegetables and History
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:17:36 GMT

In article <9210177220.AA72202@> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:
>        The discovery of vegetables is one of the major factors in human 
>history, perhaps more important than fire.  For fire allows for animal
>protein, but vegetables allows for plant protein.

Not knowing the use of the word "discovery" is right or wrong here, I just
follow your using of this word. 

Clearly, you can not compare the discovery of vegetables to the 
discovery of using fire; the ability and knowledge of using fire
is acquired after birth, while eating whatever on the ground is something
in your gene. Specially Tu3Ya1's gene :-).

Of course you could insist on your new finding. Then one of the next logical
findings would be to find out that the discovery of being able to shit
is perhaps more important than the veges in human history. Can't live
without it. You can got the idea.
 
>    Allow me define theory I in Shu1 cai4 shi3 xue2:
> 
>    "Food, only food, is the true driving force for developing history."
>                                                        
>                                                             -- Tu Ya 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wfong00@nx38.mik.uky.edu (wai soong francis ong)
Subject: Chinese fonts Needed
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:58:37 GMT

I am very interested in obtaining some form of font that enables writing  
using Chinese characters. Any help, leads or  clues as to where I can  
obtain this font would be eternally appreciated.

Thanx in advance,
Francis Ong Wai Soong....  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xin@tss.com (Xin Ye)
Subject: X Window Research and Expertise in China
Keywords: X Window Research and Expertise in China
Reply-To: xin@tss.com (Xin Ye)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:12:13 GMT

I am interested to know the University names
and professor names in China that have X Window
research and development expertise.

If you are in the U.S. on visiting scholar status,
I am also interested to talk to you.

We are trying to start some X window projects on 
Windows NT platform and are interested to have 
people join us.

I would appreciated if you can provide me with 
any information.

Xin Ye
Teknekron Software Systems
530 Lytton Ave #301
Palo Alto, CA 94013
415-617-2220

Email: xin@tss.com



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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:05:18 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>
>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>
>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>
>Gang Wang

Have you ever heard the following:

Gong4 Chan3 Dang3 Xiang4 Tai4 Yang
Gang4 Chan3 Dang3 de Zhen Ce4 Xiang4 Yue4 Liang
Chu1 Yi1 Shi2 Wu3 Bu4 Yi1 Yang4.

Communist Party like sun,
Cumminist's Policy like moon,
It differs between the 1st and the 15th.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:04:25 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov21051242@blackjack.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>    From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
>    
>    My sympathy to you. But I think it is not right to send your kids to
>    your grandma. Kids need to stay with their immediate parents unless
>    the parents are not qualified. You should demand for 20hr pay as well.
>    You should demand the pay that matches your work. When you are ill,
>    you should not put the illness-excuse in your pocket. You are entitled
>    to have vacation when you are ill, or even you are not ill.
>    
>I think the different working ethics between US and Japan accounts for much of
>the difference in economics between the two countries today.

The economic growth of Japan is not simply accounted for by its employees
working overtime. Rather, in my opinion, it is because of the different
employer-employee relationships. American employees don't participate in
the decision making process, thus do not consider themselves part of the
company. This is the reason they consider working only as a way of earning
a living, not as a way of enjoying oneself.(notice many Aemricans put
standard disclaimers at the end of their post to disassociate themselves from
the company they work for?)

Japanese employees usually have very good job security, and by
taking part in the decision making process, they feel that they are part of
the company. This results in high morales which contribute to higher
productivity. 

However, even for the Japanese, working overtime is not all that enjoying
either. It is mostly because of the competition from other coworkers to
get promotions. And no matter what you think of the overtime, it puts a
lot of stress on yourself, erodes away your spare time and transforms
the work stress into family stress.

What's good for everyone is to work in work hours and party in party time.

>
> [paragraph on the incorrectness of the word "right" deleted]
>
>Similarly, one should avoid using the general words such as "good".  The
>problem with words like "good" is that they are too general, thus providing
>little information.  Example: "Socialism is good."  I was made to replace
>"good" with exactly what I meant in my writing more than once and the exercise
>helped me to think more carefully if not communicating more effectively.

GOOD point. But sometimes people just don't care what your delicate feeling
is. Thus the word "good" is good enough.

Fan
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Right-to-own vs. Right-to-use  (About HK 1997)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:08:08 GMT

After 1997, Right-to-use Hongkong belongs to Hongkong people and other
Chinese people; Right-to-own Hongkong belongs to the Chinese people and
the then-time Chinese government.  Although I do not participate any
decision making, I am sure that if the Hongkong people go too far beyond
this line, they will become refugees, too.  Let's assume that the then-time
Chinese government decide to be "soft", but would those like Shannon Yeh 
let that government go easily?  Yeh believes that, Hongkong not only needs
to comply with the JiBenFa, they also need to comply with the laws of 
China, otherwise, how could Hongkong be part of China?  Hongkong's defense
should be taken care of by Beijing, too.

Same thing goes to Taiwan.  Option for military resoluation between China and 
Taiwan should remain in place until Taiwan unconditionaly becomes a real 
province of China.  Some Beijing officials may use their power to make some
money from the Taiwan people, but that's the upper limit.  If they go beyond
that limit, they will lose their power, too.

sy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Chinese characters and sorting, collating, etc.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:42:33 GMT

I have some questions about Chinese characters from a database weenie's
perspective :-)  

In most alphabetic languages, there is a well-defined scheme for ordering
the characters which define less-than, greater-than, and equality properties
for characters - ie 'A' < 'B' < 'C' ... < 'Z' in English.  I've talked with
several Chinese friends about this problem and it seems that there are several
"dictionary orderings" in Chinese, all of which require "reading" the character
to get the number of strokes, etc.

Also, while one could just assign an arbitrary ordering for indexing purposes,
"human useful" sorting would require conversion functions to generate the
numbers for useful sorting.

Does anyone know where there are papers on such problems?  And does anyone
know what ordering scheme was used in ISO-Unicode?

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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:47:12 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov19.083756.19372@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:
>(deleted) 
>Two women both claim a baby belongs to them, and the case went to
>King Solomon.  The King took out a sword, and proceeded to cut the
>baby in two, so that each woman can have 1/2.  One of the women
>cried: "stop".  The King said, "you must be the true mother, you
>care about the baby's well-being."
> 
>Sorry, the foreigner U.K. cares about our well-being (to some extent),

Sorry for our HK D-friends' such understanding. I sincerely doubt
British are your true mother, they did not bring Britich Democracy
to HK in the past 100+ years. Could you please tell me why?

My understanding is, British used to keep a practically workable
system in their colonies, convenient to themselves. But right before
they leave, they may do something looking beautiful but problematic
such as India-Pakistan division, Irag-Q8 division etc. The ones were
satisfied when British leave, will shed blood later - and that is
no longer British's business.

China agrees not to Change HK's system in 50 years. Why? Because
Deng XiaoPing realized HK's system has been proven workable in the
past 100+ years. So China made such a promise in 1984. Now British
wants to change the system before 1997, and hand such a system to
China. This system may be better, more democracy. It may be workable.
But this system has not been proven better and workable. Do you
think China's promise in 1984 is still valid? If there were anything
wrong in such a new system, should China change it? 

>(deleted) 
>Wing

I hope you could have more democracy. But please be calm, don't trust
British too much as true mother. They are not. Find you own way to get
the best results. 
-- 
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organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
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Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ? 
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 10:11:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154208.7485@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.020731.19847@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
>
>[my original question deleted]
>
>>
>>No, CMFN can not solve the problem.   If the CMFN promoters have other
>>hiden reasons for promoting CMFN, they should show the reasons on public
>>also.
>>  
>>
>>Can I ask you a question also ?
>>
>>If a person knows the person who killed his parent and relatives hides
>>in a building and he burns the building for killing the killer for his
>>revenge, is the behavours of that person justice ?    The person, who
>>have burnt the building, is also a criminal.
>>
>>
>>J Su
>
>	If I am reading the analogy right, I don't think that CMFN is like
>burning the building down. It's more like picketing in front of the building.
>
>	The loss of MFN (which I am NOT advocating) is not the catastrophic
>disaster that many are making it out to be. No one is starving in China.
>Most people have a decent place to live. The standard of living is quite
>low, yes, but if it stays where it is, very few people will suffer the
>loss of health or life because of it.
>
>	The real suffering in China is due to the corrupt and authoritarian
>government as it effects individuals who oppose it.
>
>Mark
>

What is the human right are you talking about ?

J Su
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: U.S. -China Act of 1992 (China's MFN)
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:35:43 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <RON.92Nov12004944@wc18.yorku.ca> ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese) writes:
>	Did U.S.A. government recognize Tibet as a part of China?  If
>so, is What those U.S.A. parliament members did against the law?

The United States recognizes Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.  In
committee, the language of the bill was changed from "China and Tibet"
to "China including Tibet."

As for illegality, what crime were you thinking that the congressmen
violated?
From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: zhou en-lai and his chara
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:23:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
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Xiaowen Li (lix@thames.bu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ehk5uINN69@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca> kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan) writes:
: >(deleted)
: > Internet:kzhan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca|| "Three generates everything".       
: > Internet:gilwf16@vm.uoguelph.ca         ||                                    
: >                                         ||      -- Lao Zi (Old Man)
: 
: I don't think your quotation of Dr. ME is accurate. Without definition of
: the empty set (Wu) and basic unit, such a quotation is misleading. Dr. Me
: only emphasized the importance of the empty set, he was not emphasizing
: the imprtance of 3 at all. So what he said was something like "only with 0,
: we can get non-zero, thus, from 1 to 2, from 2 to 3, from 3 to ... everything".
: -- 
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Don't teach me how to be a man or a boy. bTw, what is your quotation?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: to all of fucking tolking nonsense
From: fen@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:56:17 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

you guys are suck, all of you just setting here talking about your fucking
idea.
 








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