From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What goes around comes around
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:44:07 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Apr7.072444.21041@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, geraghj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Geraghty) writes:
> A few weeks back I posted an article to this newsgroup entitled
> "Sick'n'tired of the "Troubles" isn't there more to Ireland?". I
> expected the replies to flood in...it took a few days but they came.
> The first few were encouraging all in agreement with my views. I began
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> to see hope, a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel...the birth of
> a revolution against the stuck up idealists on this newsgroup who won't
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> bend or yield an inch....who won't discuss the problems but try to ram
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 I did not respond to your original post but this one is a bit much. First off,
its nice that you were encouraged when all responses were in agreement
with your views but come on - not everyone will agree with you - that's
life - folks in this group have a right to post their views just as you
had the right to post yours - to expect everyone to rally round your flag
is a bit unrealistic I think...

 also, these "stuck up idealist" have strong views on certain topics and
attempt to voice their views - I think it is actually a pretty good thing to
get a variety of views on any topic - you cannot hope to understand another's
views if you never hear them...

 finally, it was *YOU* who refused to discuss issues (it seems to me) not
them - they are discussing/arguing a variety of points - you on the other
hand pop in and say "let's not talk about this topic anymore - let's
talk about things I think are appropriate" - no thanks...

> any chance for discussion......My article was never intended to produce
> this response, it was intended to encourage people to write about 
> (discuss) something that really has something to do with celtic culture or
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 Get off it will ya? Try to separate "the troubles" from Irish culture and
see how far you get - try to separate Irish music from the history of
rebellion - try to separate the great Irish poets and writers from the
violent history of Ireland - you end up with at best a watered down version
of the truth. This of course even ignores the fact that Irish culture today
is obviously effected by the political situation that its people find 
themselves in. I think that this is probably the one thing that pisses me off
most about this damn group - attitudes like yours - the high and mighty "I
 *know* Celtic culture and I *know* what is and isn't Celtic culture and
so I should decide what is appropriate" - people who wish to participate in
a discussion regarding NI have that right - those who wish to discuss
other aspects of Celtic culture have that right - nobody in this group
is forced to read anything that they do not wish to read - it is very
simple.

> Well here's hoping that not all of what I have said will fall on deaf ears
> I am willing to DISCUSS my views. I am not willing however to engage in
> bitter argument over my views..

Well, calling people names as you did in this article is not an approach I would
recommend to start up a calm discussion of views...

> John Geraghty

			gln