From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:08:37 GMT

In article <1ah1cnINNdmq@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
|> dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
|> : Hmm, how about having a sound system that can steal from the video DMA?
|> : Instant -strobe- effects, yeah ;)
|> 
|> Oh, yeah.  I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.  :D

Well, it'd make for some cool EuroDemos!

('Course, that's if the hackers even bother to install WB 4.0 on their Hard 
Dr... oh, sh*t, nevermind....)     8)

|> : the whole scoop -- a whole scoop full of Gould's "doggie naughties".  ;)
|> 
|> Oh, great.  What's he been doing with dogs THIS time???  He was booked
|> for disorderly conduct LAST time, and this whole bestial order is
|> getting really out of... hand?  ;D

Or "paw"....    9)
 
|> : It's not really the engineers' fault.  The average management cycle at Cmdre
|> 
|> Oh, of course not.  Be honest, it's all Dave's fault.  If he wasn't
|> such a pliable little puppet of management, we wouldn't have so many
|> of these damn problems.  That spineless little wimp...  ;D

Davie's been playing Jello-boy lately. He's looking to buy another Yugo or 
something... 8)

|> : must be something like six months.  So for six months the hardware engineers
|> : get to build nice, big, expensive prototypes of new machines -- lots of
|> : designs get approved, neat stuff is shown at DevCons, and then management
|> : decides it was all a bad dream -- can the high-end designs, what we really
|> : need is yet-another 68000 ECS machine.
|> 
|> Gee, we're brutal, aren't we?  Neat stuff at devcon is just that--neat
|> stuff.  That's it.  They never claim it will make it to market.  Hell,
|> feel lucky it made it to devcon.

Or even onto paper. I heard Commodore had all of the toilet paper and napkins
removed from their facilities to cut down on those nasty "idea" thingies.  8)

|>: I'm not so sure WHY such things happen.  Perhaps management makes too many of
|>: marketing's decisions, but there you are.  We're all very excited about this

Perhaps MARKETING makes too many of Marketing's decisions! NewTek was a really
cool company until they got a marketing department, and those new glass-walled
offices in Topeka. THAT crew doesn't have a clue.

(Funniest marketing-weasel story I ever heard, and true testament to the evils
of purest capitalism: After the now-infamous NewTek Price Raise, when the great
and all-powerful Toaster was defiled by a $900 hike, the DESIGNERS of the 
friggin' thing were DENYING it for half a day because nobody from marketing
"bothered" to call them! Jeez... read the fine print, guys..)

|> : all pray that Ali and Gould find "Buddha" and move to some desolate
|> : wasteland in Mongolia.

Jack Tramiel for President, Commodore International!   

9)

(Just a reminder... it could be worse. Maybe...)

|> : the Amiga is still architectually interesting, so it will keep my interest,
|> : even though Cmdre doesn't.
|> 
|> AGREED.

Absolutely. The fact that there's so many of us Amiga people out there is NOT
a testament to Commodore's wonderful marketing and systems support... trust me
on this one.

|> : You have a shipping date on that?
|> 
|> Oh, yeah, sure.  :)  If you mean the 4000, it's supposed to be
|> purchasable RSN...  like I've heard the first/second week in october
|> mentioned.  That's the right month, isn't it?  :)

Think he meant the new graphics setup. I'm going for the year 2xxx. That's as
close as I'll estimate.  8)

|> : The next chipset will be called, of course, AGOG:  Amiga's Great, Omnipotent
|> : Graphics.  They will be known internally as OGAG (pronounced, Oh Gag).
|> : That one is an acronym for "Our Graphics Are Great".
|> 
|> :D

I still like "AOOOOOOGA"    9)

|> : The four chipset release, which may make it out before the turn of the
|> : century, doesn't have a name yet.  Perhaps OOGAAG -- "Our Omnipotent
|> : Graphics Are Amiga's Greatness".  However, I'm pulling for YACS -- Yet
|> : Another ChipSet.  Or maybe, YICS! -- Yet another Incompatible ChipSet.

You stole that from YAAM, "Yet Another Amiga Magazine"!! I actually HAVE a 
couple of issues of that. Great stuff... over 300 game reviews in two issues.

8)

|> Of course not.  You're just one of those "Helpme,ifC=doesn'tdosomething-
|> rightmywholelifewillgotoshitandI'llbeforcedtocommitBarricidebeforemillions
|> andmillionsofnetreadersbecauseI'mjustauseless,manic-depressivederelictof
|> societywithoutlife,purpose,ormeaning..." kind of really cool guys,
|> that's all.  ;)

NOT **BARRICIDE**! 

<William Shatner acting time...>

There has to .... BE ....a better WAY.

|> Greg
|> 
|> --
|> (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
|> (: 	"Yeah, if improving the system is screwing the user base,     :)
|> (:	 you all need to be screwed more often." -Dave Haynie	      :)
|> (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

You guys are ohhh-tay!

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