HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper)
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 09:36:43 EDT

  Well, Jon, I guess Jer is right and we're all wrong...don't you remember
  how MicroSoft went out of business way back when Bill Gates god mad that
  people were copying Microsoft Word 2.0? He got so pissed, he decided that 
  they just wouldn't release any more software. In fact, any Microsoft 
  products released after Word 2.0 are obviously the work of evil pirate elves
  from another dimension and should be destroyed at once.

  Get real.

  Developers have bitched about pirating since the time when I was using an 
  Atari 800. 

  They'll always bitch.

  But they'll keep writing new software.

  Hey, man, you'd better not hold up that liquor store...if there's too much 
  crime, the cops might get mad and go on strike or something...

  ObIdiots: Don't bother flaming my analogy...It was a joke. Remember jokes?

  Ken

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: cosc177r@rosie.uh.edu (92H02966)
Subject: mac.archive.umich.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  
		Is the ftp machine at mac.archive.umich.edu temporarilyy
	unavailable? If so, does anyone know when it will be back up?
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:26:00 GMT

	Thankx.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Stallman & lawyers
From: bruner@sp15.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Bruner)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:03
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
 <22057@venera.isi.edu><D88-JWA.92Jul28141636@dront.nada.kth.se><mwalker-280792113247@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
Distribution: na
Organization: CSRD, University of Illinois

Mel Walker writes:
> Jon W{tte wrote:
>> Implementations of algorithms may be patentable, but if I
>> sit down, think about how to do something, and then do it
>> (sithout disassembling anyone else's code) there should be
>> ZIP chance of me infringing on someone elses patent.
> 
> Unless you do it exactly the same way as the patented process, or produce
> something identical to the end result.

Exactly.  In other fields covered by patents, one cannot avoid patent
infringement by independent invention.  A better argument to make is
that a lot of software patents cover techniques that are "obvious"
(but apparently they aren't obvious to the patent examiners).

A recent example is U.S. Patent #4,992,971, assigned to NEC, which
apparently covers the obvious (and only reasonable) technique for
linkage-time count- and type-checking of subroutine parameters between
a caller and called routine.  A reference describing this is:

Paul W. Abrahams, "Software Patents: An Example of the Threat," *ACM
SIGPLAN Notices*, Vol. 27, No. 8, August 1992, pp. 87-88.
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From: heldb@bcsaic.boeing.com (Brad Held)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Need 'On Cue'-like program
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:07:09 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <36189@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> al@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Andy Lee) writes:
>
>I have been using On Cue to launch applications from the menu
>bar, but seem to be having an init conflict with some of my
>other indispensible cdevs/inits.  Does anyone know of something
>similiar that I could use and also where I might find it?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.app
>Subject: Need 'On Cue'-like program
>Summary: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: University of California, San Diego
>Keywords: 
>
>
>I have been using On Cue to launch applications from the menu
>bar, but seem to be having an init conflict with some of my
>other indispensible cdevs/inits.  Does anyone know of something
>similiar that I could use and also where I might find it?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>-- 
>Andy Lee
>al@ucsd.edu


I recently saw an interesting substitute for On Cue.  It was a 
Mac Classic II with the init called NowMenus installed.  NowMenus
allows you to have sub-menus from the Apple menu.

This guy put a folder called Applications in the Apple Menu
Items folder.  And inside the Applications folder put aliases
to all the applications desired.

The net result is that you can pull down the Apple menu and then
pop up the Application sub-menu that lists all you applications
just like On Cue would.

In general, sub-menus from the Apple menu is pretty handy.
-- 
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The Boeing Company              |  Therefore, my thoughts are my own.
From: paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: PowerBook 170 Briefcase??????
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:21:01 GMT


 I used and liked the Kensington case for the PB170. 

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From: nau@frabjous.cs.umd.edu (Dana Nau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: C++ and other compilers
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:37:02 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
In-reply-to: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org's message of 29 Jul 92 22:05:54 GMT

In article <D2150035.9oli2d@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
Path: mimsy!kong!nsisrv!ames!claris!outpost.SF-Bay.org!peirce
   From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
   Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
   Date: 29 Jul 92 22:05:54 GMT
   Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
   Organization: Peirce Software
   Lines: 49
   X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4

   As far as Lisp, Apple Provides a good Common Lisp.  It isn't part
   of MPW, but comes with its own environment.  It's a favorite language
   of Apple's Advanced Technology Group.

Allegro Common Lisp is available on the Macs.  I haven't used it
myself---but colleagues who have used it say that Allegro on a Mac is
actually preferable to the Lisps available on the Sun sparcstations.
--
	Dana S. Nau
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	University of Maryland		UUCP:  uunet!mimsy!nau
	College Park, MD 20742		Telephone:  (301) 405-2684
From: barretpj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Phil J Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Tables in QuarkXpress?
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:21:49 GMT
Organization: Aston University

Have you tried 'copy as picture' in Word (cmd-opt-D)?

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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Need Replacement for MacroMaker
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:35:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

Hello, the Net!

Well, we're finally jumping on the System 7 bandwagon, and
one of the immediate downsides is that MacroMaker won't work
under S7.  We're looking for suggestions for PD alternatives
before spending the money for QuicKeys. E-mail or post responses.
Thanks in advance.

--Richard Darsie
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Molecular Modeling
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:36:23 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Jul22.171129.16208@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>>
>>MacMolecule. Is archived at sumex-aim.stanford.edu.
> 
> As mentioned before, MacMolecule takes in files with atomic
> coordinates, not interactively. However, if you can set up the
> file, its output is excellent. I suppose one could calculate
> the positions of the atoms relative to the origin as replication
> occurs, but that would certainly be hideously time-consuming.
> Perhaps some sort of 3D modelling program could render an
> acceptable image.
> 
> CKC

Chem3D (C3D) does well if you have orthoganal (cartician ) coordinates.

LatticeMaker (LM) is the companion software for MacMolecule (MM).  It takes 
symmetry and fractional coordinates and generates coordinate table for a 
number of modeling softwares, including MM and C3D.

LM is also archived at sumex-aim.stanform.edu in info-mac/app.

I like the display of MM better than C3D.  But I cannot  use it at home because
my LC just could not handle MM without a hardware FPU.  It works on MacII and
other Macs quite well.  But C3D works on LC without problem.  I think the
author of MM should think about changing his code so that people can run it on
their LC's.

Cheers!

J. Yuan
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:04:32 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul22.202524.12274@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  
jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu (Jerome Jahnke) writes:

+ caused by fairies and gnomes. Time marches on. The people who create 
+ software deserve to be paid. If not they will not create sofware. 

Why? This flies in the face of the GNU philosophy, and my experience on
the unix side of the world. People program for the fun of it - always have,
always will.

Programmers deserve to make a living, not a killing.

James
From: sxh@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Ray Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Need 'On Cue'-like program
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:59:53 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <36189@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>,
al@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Andy Lee) writes: 
> 
> I have been using On Cue to launch applications from the menu
> bar, but seem to be having an init conflict with some of my
> other indispensible cdevs/inits.  Does anyone know of something
> similiar that I could use and also where I might find it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andy Lee
> al@ucsd.edu

You might check out Apollo which I believe is at sumex probably under
cp/  I haven't used it much since I'm using System 7 and I launch apps
DAs etc from the Apple menu (made heirarchical using BeHierarchic, also
available at sumex).  I've got an Applications sub-menu.

In any case, from what I've seen I believe that Apollo (currently free,
eventually to become shareware) is significantly better than On Cue.

have fun,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Just Enough Pascal (was Re: Macintosh Pascal Upgrade?)
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:13:10 GMT
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ
Keywords: THINK Pascal, Just Enough Pascal

iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox) writes:

>>3) What alternative simple, user-friendly Pascal compilers are available?
>
>You might look at "Just Enough Pascal" from Symantec. I have not used this
>myself, but have heard some good reports on it.

It is a good introduction to Pascal, Mac and THINK Pascal programming, but it
Just a tutorial.  Its a DA that is run along with THINK Pascal, not a
standalone compiler.

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: dauter@terminator.cc.umich.edu (M. David (first initials are in style) Dautermann)
Subject: Re: mac.archive.umich.edu
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Summary: check somewhere else...
Keywords: another, machine
Organization: They don't pay me enough to have one
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:18:54 GMT
Expires: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:00:00 GMT


In article <29JUL199208261877@rosie.uh.edu> cosc177r@rosie.uh.edu (92H02966) writes:
  
> Is the ftp machine at mac.archive.umich.edu temporarilyy unavailable? 
>If so, does anyone know when it will be back up?

>	Thankx.
>
>

use "shavenyak.css.itd.umich.edu" for your mac.archive ftp'ing pleasure.

The regular DEC ftp server should be back up and online in a few weeks.
There may also be other ftp machines coming online to give you access
to the mac.archive files.  I'll keep you all posted....




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From: owens@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (Susan Owens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: HELP!!! Setting default margins in Microsoft Word 5.0
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:53:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  A professor here is having a problem with MicroSoft Word 5.0.   He wants
to change the default margins for his documents.  I pull down the menu
Format and select Document and I get a dialog box.  I highlight the left
margin and change it to 1.5 in, highlight it again and hit the use as
default button.  I use this same proceedure to change the left, top and
bottom margins.  This works fine. If I exit Word and  start it up again it
uses my new defaults.  The problem is he wants to change the at least boxes
to exactly.  If I do this when
I exit Word and start it back up, the left and right margins have not
changed 
but the top and bottom margins have changed to 0 in. and the exactly boxes 
have changed back to at least.  Am I doing something wrong?  Or is this a
bug
with the software?  I have tried this on serveral machines in the
department
and they all come up with the same problem.  Can anyone help me?

  - susan
     owens@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jorge Rufat 283-4308)
Subject: Re: ThoughtPattern? Any Good?
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:24:19 GMT

In 013453.17467@dartvax.dartmouth.edu, Charles Dubuqu writes:
> has anybody used TP ... for a large academic project?

One of my objectives in using TP was to make a flat bibliography
file a little smarter. The file is 672k. I tried to import the 
file into TP (there is a command to do that in the package), but
TP complained about lack of application memory. At the highest
application memory I could afford, 3870, I could only afford to
import about 50k. <-(

-- 
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MDSSC				 | rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
MIT				 | jrufat@athena.mit.edu
From: hughfd+@pitt.edu (Hugh F Docherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: MacX and MacTCP
Summary: error message
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hello,

    I have a Mac IIsi with 9 Megabytes of RAM running System 7.  MacX works
to the point that I can open multiple clients and switch between them.  
Once I have a number of clients open.  Ususlly six X clients work fine but
even if I stop or kill one or more of the proceeses, it appears as though
I run out of memory.  I get the following message:

	The remote command "command" could not be executed
	via the tool "MacTCP Tool".  Creation of the remote command
 	stream failed.

	Not enough memory is available to issue the needed domain
	name resolver query or to build the DNR cache.

      This occurs both when I open and kill a session one at a time or if
multiple clients are run at the same time.  When I look under the Apple at
"About MacX", I can see that a little memory is not freed up each time I 
stop a client.  Is there a way to recover this memmory?  All I can do is 
quit MacX and then launch it again.

     Any help will be appreciated.  Please respond to me directly since I 
don't usually read these postings.  

				Thanks much,
				 	Hugh Docherty

----------------------
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BITnet:    hughfd@pittvms.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Bob_Thornton-TUK028@email.mot.com (Bob Thornton)
Subject: hyperIBIS
Organization: Motorola_LMPS_Basingstoke_England
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:23:06 GMT

I read a one-line review of this software package in the MacWorld Networking Handbook
and would be interested to try it as it is said to be Public Domain. Does anyone
know of an FTP site where I could get a copy?

Alternatively any other PD software that will let me run a BBS on a Mac Network?


Bob Thornton

+44-256-484317
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: RE: Tricky Word 4.0 Question...
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:00:12 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

<RXM108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

-> I have a large table... very large, over 2,000 rows. Within 
-> it I have several columns, the first being a blank column 
-> where the row number will eventually go. The row numbers will 
-> be sequentially numbered from 1 to 2000+. I was thinking of 
-> porting this out to Excel, however, the last column contains 
-> several commas which I need, and the other cells all contain 
-> paragraph markers. Before I go number this sucker by hand 
-> or write a program to read it all in, parse it and spit it 
-> out, I was hoping someone can tell me if it is possible to 
-> make a macro or automatic sequencing method of some sort for 
-> this..

if worst comes to worst, maybe someone with Word for Windows 2.0 and a
knowledge of WordBasic could help you out.

--Adam--
 
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From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: quicktime question
Date: 29 Jul 1992 06:42:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul28.220250.29272@microunity.com> 
tomho@microunity.com (Tom Ho) writes:
>HI,
>
>How do you run a quicktime movie?

Get PopCorn, a freeware movie player from Aladdin.
It's available from sumex.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke)
Subject: Re: Mathematica question
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:06:33 GMT

In article <55546@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman) writes:
>In article <whitmore.712441064@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>  
>whitmore@iastate.edu (Kurt D Whitmore) writes:
>> Don't try getting by with virtual memory Mma runs real slow.
>> 8 megs is the absolute min with system 7 (the current shipping software)
>> This will give you about 6 megs to allocate to mma, but no other  
>programs can
>> be run in the back ground. Dont quote me but I believe the si has a meg  
>soldered on the motherboard so when you get eight 1 meg simms you actually  
>have 9 megs of RAM, that would be ideal.
>
>Even a 6 Mb partition is inadequate if you want to do much, particularly  
>if animated graphics are involved.
>
Just one correction- the IIsi has *four* SIMM slots, and you'll need
4 2-meg SIMMS to get 9meg total. For Mathematica, think about going to
17 meg. I costs about $500 or so, but should set you free from the
RAM-allocation blues for a while. Whereas even 9 meg would soon be iffy,
the way Microsoft writes apps. And the way Apple writes system code.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Stallman & lawyers (was Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<D88-JWA.92Jul28141636@dront.nada.kth.se> <22059@venera.isi.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:03:25 GMT

Jeff> == Jeff Sullivan <jas@ISI.EDU> 

 Jeff> If these were so trivial, why hadn't they been invented before
 Jeff> they were?  Many things look trivial in hindsight... 

The XOR cursor was invented *long* before it was patented.  It was so
obvious nobody thought to try patenting it for quite some time.  I
independently reinvented it at the age of 12.  Yay.

 Jeff> If you came up with it on your own, then you should be in the
 Jeff> clear, right?

Except that patent law, unlike copyright law, doesn't make allowances
for independent development; if someone patented a particular algorithm,
which I then *unknowingly* use in one of my programs, I'm still liable
for patent violations.  *This* is the biggest problem with patents...
--
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   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Software reviews archive?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Organization: Amoco Production Company

There must be an online archive somewhere that keeps
old software reviews...and an index, similar to the
hard copy Consumer's Reports Buyers' Guide.
Where?

I'm trying to choose between Quicken 3.0 and
Managing your money.  All I want to do is watch
my budget, track my miniscule investments,
and keep a nice record the comings and goings
of my monies.  Any comments?  Recommendations?

                             Tom
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