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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Cutioner's Song Part 5
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:00:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Well, it's time for some more gripes and spoilers from x-cutioner's song...

OK, first the spoilers...

Jubilee's rant is wonderful.  I love it.

There is a throwaway line that may have been a mistake.  Siryn says to
Shatterstar 'the lass dinnea even know yuir mother!'  Since i seem to
remember Dazzler and Jubilee at least appearing together, we can infer
that 

a)  Siryn doesn't know who Shatter's mother is
b)  Shatterstar doesn't know who his mother is
c)  Dazzler is not really Shatterstar's mother

Anyway, it's a throwaway line and i'm probably reading too much into it.

We see that Psylocke isn't happy with her current form.  She seems to be
about to kill Professor X.  Is she planning a mercy killing, or murder.
First it seems as if she wants to put him out of his misery, but then
is sounds like she wants to finish the job that Stryfe started.  The scene
seems pretty murky to me.

The name on the slip of paper was Apocalypse, apparently.  Why was Val so
surprised?

The scene with Stryfe and Jean gives us even more evidence to supporty
the Stryfe-is-Nathan theory.  This may be a stretch, but the scene even
seems to suggest to me that Stryfe is the original and Cable is the clone.
Does cable have any memories of his childhood?  I  don't think so, but 
Stryfe seems to.


Now for a few gripes. 

The art seems to be rushed in some places, especially on some of the facial
expressions.

The writing is typical Lobdell, ranging from tolerable to stupid.

Colossus seems to be a bit more brutal than usual in this issue, in the 
fight with Apocalypse.

Is that Lorna's jaw brace or her head set that she's wearing on page 9?
If it's a brace, why is she still wearing it?  If it her headset, why does
she have it on while they're just hanging out?  The rest of the team is not
wearing theirs.

Why is the technovirus green and moldy?  Yeech...

PAD's X-Factor quips are cute.  Lobdell's X-Factor quips are irritating and 
stupid. MHO

I thought X-Force was wanted by the FEDERAL Government.  Why are they being
held by the X-Men in the Danger Room, and why do they have the power to 
allow them to go out in the field and fight (and possibly escape)?

Oh yeah, and why is Shatterstar suddenly alive, well, and feisty after
being ripped by Wolvie yesterday?   Must be quite a healing factor.

That's about all that jumped out at me.  What do y'all think?

JRjr

-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Jae Lee
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Vilhelm Boggild)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:04:36 GMT

In article <1bke66INN8bv@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, pstrem@the-flea.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem) writes:
|> In article 22978@galaxy.ucr.edu, zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:

[Stuff Deleted]
 
|> > Personally, I would like to hear what some of the Namor fans think of him.   
|> > Also wouldn't he be better off doing some title such as Sandman or Doom  
|> > Patrol....
|> >
|> > chris
|> 
|> 	What a great concept!  Yes, I do think that his artwork would 
|> be better suited to a kind of gothic-horror type setting (look at the 
|> work he did on the 'pirate' fishing  trawler in Namor).  I personally 
|> like his pencils; highly stylized but still distinct.  However, I also 
|> agree that his work on this issue of X-Factor did look pretty poor.
|>   
|> 	Was it the inking or just rush job? 
|> 					    ^
|> 				The Flea   / \^.
|> 					  ^
|>

  I think it was the inking.  I don't buy Namor but I have thumbed
through the last couple of issues.  The one with Doom (can't remember
the number) was, IMHO, pretty good.  Jae Lee inked that one himself, 
didn't he? (correct me if I'm wrong)  I don't think every inker can match
his style and the end product suffers as a result.  Its too bad,
cause I'm contemplating buying Namor now just for his art...

-- 
Anshu Prasad                                      stud1b53@bnr.ca
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
-> The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of
   my employer, Bell Northern Research Ltd.
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From: dfm6038@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (David Miller)
Subject: Uncanny X-Men 295
Reply-To: dfm6038@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:52:09 GMT

My roommate and I have a theory that Psylocke was not really trying to kill
Professor X, but she was actually trying to save him.  If you recall, she
says something to the effect that she is going to finish the job that even
technology could.  That job being remove the technovirus from Xavier because
remember that the doctors or somebody (it's from an early issue) that 
technology could not remove the technovirus.  We also have a theory that
Professor X will become Cable's computer (the Professor) after the virus
mutates him, but Cable's computer is probably Ship from X-Factor.  Just
some marsupials for the wrench.

About Gambit's relation to Cable/Nathan/etc., what was said about that?


						David
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Gambit Jean and Scott's son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:48:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Has anyone considered that Gambit might be related to Jean and Scott?
Given his powers (charging up objects and psychic invisibility) it's
not so far-fetched.

I can't remember who mentioned it on the post, but someone has already
made a connection between Gambit and Nathan Summers.  What if they are one
and the same?
-- 
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From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Siryn's comment to Shatty
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:32:02 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


 
> 
>There is a throwaway line that may have been a mistake.  Siryn says to
>Shatterstar 'the lass dinnea even know yuir mother!'  Since i seem to
>remember Dazzler and Jubilee at least appearing together, we can infer
>that 
> 
>a)  Siryn doesn't know who Shatter's mother is
>b)  Shatterstar doesn't know who his mother is
>c)  Dazzler is not really Shatterstar's mother
> 
>Anyway, it's a throwaway line and i'm probably reading too much into it.

Actually, I think we're supposed to be getting the impression that
Jubillee said something about Shatterstar's mother.....

Mike
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee) writes:

>I remember back in X-factor when they had jamie fighting his dupe, they
>just pounded on each other, making more and more duplicates until they
>maxed out, and then finally duplicates started getting knocked out.  I
>think at the end of the fight, all the bodies were counted and came out
>to about 100.  So Jamie has a max of 50 or so.
          ^^^
Umm, wouldn't that imply that he has a max of about *100* or so?

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Re: New X Artists
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 11 Oct 1992 23:26 EST  

In article <1992Oct10.230225.26046@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
>   ...
>Jae Lee -- this one needs some work. Very sketchy, and unfinished. 
>   ...
>Jae Lee may be suffering from Al Milgrom.
>Loose him. :)
> 

Yes, I second that!  Get rid of Milgrom!  I have not seen Jae's work on 
the X-title yet, but if milgrom is inking, I'm sure it looks awful.  If 
you want to see some great art from Jae, check out the latest issues of 
Namor, the Submariner (#30-33, with Doctor Doom, written by Byrne) in 
which Jae does his own inking.  Very powerful, expressive work!  Infinitely
better than when others ink his pencils.

 - Wayne.
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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Siryn's comment to Shatty
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:00:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <kepRsmK00iV0Q4sosm@andrew.cmu.edu> mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating) writes:
>
> 
>> 
>>There is a throwaway line that may have been a mistake.  Siryn says to
>>Shatterstar 'the lass dinnea even know yuir mother!'  Since i seem to
>>remember Dazzler and Jubilee at least appearing together, we can infer
>>that 
>> 
>>a)  Siryn doesn't know who Shatter's mother is
>>b)  Shatterstar doesn't know who his mother is
>>c)  Dazzler is not really Shatterstar's mother
>> 
>>Anyway, it's a throwaway line and i'm probably reading too much into it.
>
>Actually, I think we're supposed to be getting the impression that
>Jubillee said something about Shatterstar's mother.....

Yeah, that's exactly what we're supposed to get out of the comment.  But i was
considering the implications of what was said.  IMHO, in a well written 
(comic, poem, novel, whatever) no line is unimportant.  Every line should serve
some purpose, be it character development, foreshadowing, plot advancement,
or even comic relief.  

The problem comes when the writer uses a line ambiguously, as Lobdell did here.
The line was meant to be a simple little comic relief thing, _but_ he failed
to consider that there was a recent plot thread in the book concerning
Shatterstar's mother (Dazzler, on Mojoworld).  Therefore, the line is open
for consideration as a 'clue' so to speak in that plot.

The problem is, i don't think that he meant for the line to _be_ a 'clue.'
He meant it as a 'throwaway.'  If he'd have shown the same exchange with
Siryn and, say, Feral, or any other character who doesn't have a 'mother
mystery' around them, then the confusion could have been avoided.  As it 
stands, the quote is now a part of continuity, and will be rehashed every
time the issue of Shatterstar's mother comes up :-)

Sorry for rambling!

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: 2099 titles and X
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:33:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <SS.92Oct14142921@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>thanatop> First off, I would like to give kudos to Peter David and Co.
>thanatop> for a kick-butt Spider-Man 2099...which I can talk about
>thanatop> here because really its a mutant title!! Miguel OHara's
>thanatop> genetic template has been goofed with and changed with the
>thanatop> spider so now he is a mutant!! (chew on that for a while)
>
>I thought you had to be born with the powers to be considered a
>mutant.

Obscure Trivia Lad says that you do.  Spider-Man (both the real one
and the one from 2099) are altered humans, not mutants.  You
could possibly call them mutates (Obscure Trivia Lad isn't real
sure about the Marvel stand, if any, on this term), but they
are not mutants.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song Part 5
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:20:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.visser.718593649
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <70537@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:


+>I thought X-Force was wanted by the FEDERAL Government.  Why are they being
+>held by the X-Men in the Danger Room, and why do they have the power to 
+>allow them to go out in the field and fight (and possibly escape)?

	The real question is what exactly is the "crime" committed by
x-force?  Their apperanace in x-factor a while back as I remember says
something like "x-force is wanted for 'questioning'", but as far as
I know you can't hold people against their will for "questioning" without
any regard to habius corpus or due process.  
	The only crime that they could be held accountable for is either
resisting arrest or accessories to cable's murder of Tom Cassidy.
If you charge them as accessories to cable's murder of Tom Cassidy,
I suppose you could find lots of things to charge other characters
(like wolverine) with.
	And of course in the same issue, Bishop and Wolverine are sent to
attack what was as far as I know  a part of the canadian government.
But thats all right isnt it....no crime there,



+>Oh yeah, and why is Shatterstar suddenly alive, well, and feisty after
+>being ripped by Wolvie yesterday?   Must be quite a healing factor.

+>That's about all that jumped out at me.  What do y'all think?

	I think that the characters have become totally one-dimensional.
I can't see storm or any of the other x-men who knew sam, rictor, sunspot
and Syrne would both treat them like they had never met and to imprison
them without any reason whatsoever.  Its particurally bothersome that
a group like the x-men would take orders from a bunch of government 
mercenaries like x-factor and allow alex to act as if he were the only
one involved in the decision making process.
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: The DARKFORCE (was: Fallen Angels)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:11:16 GMT

In article <m0mdBtQ-0000rDC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
>> From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON)
>>  The Vanisher? Who knows, who cares.
>
>Not that anyone cares, but he has been spotted in the most recent issue of New
>Warriors.  Apparently his "darkforce" power is outta control and he wanted to
>seek out Silohette to see if her powers are outta control too.
>
>Are we on the verge of the "Darkforce Saga"????

Actually, we are. there is a four part storyline set to begin in the
next couple of months in the New Warriors involving Silohette, the
Darkforce and probably a bunch of other stuff. Considering how good New
Warriors has been recently this could be a good storyline.

I know this should be posted on comics.misc., but sue me. They mentioned
it first.


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From: lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 8 Oct 1992 02:20:33 -0500
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In article <81181@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>If Madrox gained that perspective from every dupe he reabsorbs, the man'd be
>totally and completely insane!  Just look at the last copy of X-Force.  Now
>if Jamie reabsorbs EVERY ONE of the dupes (remember the army of Madroxes at
>the end?), and gains each one's perspective, he'll remember an incident from
>twenty or thirty different angles.  NO ONE'S BRAIN COULD SORT THAT OUT.

I wondered about that also.  One fail-safe would be to say that part of the
mutation is the ability to cope with that.  Kind of like being able to see...
it just happens, no big deal...

>		Until a freak nuclear accident causes a continent of Jamies,
>				King Rat signing off!!!
>

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 19, New Mexico State - 0. Good defense.  Next stop, guess who?  KU. >;)
"Why should we get kicked for $125,000 when we could get kicked for $300,000?"
	-- Jim Hess, NMSU head football coach on not being able to get out of 
	   it's scheduled game(s) against Kansas State University.  ("What? A
	   KSU foe tried to get out of the game!", Wichita Eagle, October 1,
	   1992)
"Guess what?  George just got picked off... The inning is over, but who cares?
	George Brett got base hit No. 3,000, no runs, one hit, nobody left.  We
	go to the bottom of the seventh, the Royals 3, Angels 0, George 3,000."
	-- Fred White, calling the play after... well, it's kinda obvious... 
	   on Wednesday, September 30, 1992.  ("Announcer White had to put
	   milestone call on hold", Kansas City Star, October 2, 1992)

Congratulations, George.
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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:49:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Oct14.211802.6788@abo.fi> MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi writes:

> In <92596@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu writes:
> 
> > In article <1992Oct12.050710.5094@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell) writes:
> > >Ok, here is the latest theory about Cable's family ties....
> > >
> > >^L
> > >In the future, after Cable has done with mucking about with the present,
> > >he has a sex-change operation and falls in love with.... SILVER SURFER.
> > >They have a child ... SILVER SURFER + CABLE = SILVER SABLE! Bwah hah!
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know this was a joke, but it did remind me of something....
> > When CAble was first introduced, he said that he had a son missing (same
> > time that Rictor said something about his father...whom we still know
> > nothing about....)
> > 
> > Where does Cable's son fit into this?  Maybe Stryfe/Cable is Jean and Scott's
> > kid and Sinister is cable's kid changed by Apocalypse....very unlikely, but
> > I won't be surprised if those writers do something like this...maybe not
> > now since I said it public...and they always change  the story when their
> > ideas are no longer "secret".
> > 
> > I think that is the solution to our problems!  If we write down all the
> > dumbest senerios, marvel won't use them since we thought of them first!
> > they would be forced to write a decent story (wishful thinking)
> > 
> > 
> > Patrick
> 
> Oookay. Cable does *NOT* have a son. He was talking about whassisface...the new
> weapon X. Now I remember - Kane! We were shown in X-Force #?? that he and Kane
> were really close (killing people,bringing down legal goverments etc. together)
> and Cable said that he was *like* a son to him. Apparently Kane's feelings
> for "daddy" have cooled down somewhat (I WILL BRING HIM DOWN EVEN IF I HAVE TO 
> KILL HIM!). Cable on the other hand seems to still care for him, as seen in
> cable mini #1 (misquote:"All I'd like to do with him is have a few beers, tell
> some rude jokes..."(and some other male bonding rituals)) 
> 
> Hope this helps in killing this thread. (Kane is Wolverine's and Sabretooth's
> son,NO! He's the son of Suicide Squid and Death! Actually he's...)
> 
>              			- Mika
> 
ULP!
		PLEASE IGNORE MY PREVIOUS POST!!!!
I WAS *VERY* TIRED AT THE TIME AND GOT MY FACTS *SEVERELY* F*CKED UP!
*BLUSHBLUSHBLUSH* *SLAP* *OUCH* *FLAME* *BURN* *KICK* *KILL* *MAIM* *DESTROY*
There, now I have punished myself for making a lot of people without the 
"benefit" of X-Force back issues, think that what I wrote was A Statement Of
Known Fact.         Once again FORGET I EVER WROTE THAT PIECE OF X-CREMENT!

Ladies and gents, I stand at your mercy, awaiting your judgement, knowing that
whatever perverted punishment the net.celestial.judges come up with, will be
what I deserve. Punish me, please! I can't live with myself without punishment
for this most heinous crime.
Sorry,
                              - Mika
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Jae Lee
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:10:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <22978@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>Personally, I would like to hear what some of the Namor fans think of him.   
>Also wouldn't he be better off doing some title such as Sandman or Doom  
>Patrol....

I LOVE Jae Lee's art, especially on Namor.  He just blows me away more
every issue.  Very reminiscent of Bill Sienkiewicz, except that his
people aren't as funky looking.  I hope he stays around Marvel for a long
time.

JRjr

-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred Otero @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men 2099
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:27:00 GMT
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In article <1992Oct7.185830.24133@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes...
>Granted, this falls into the realm of unsubstantiated rumor, but it does
>merit some mention.
> 
>Somebody on rec,comics.misc. posted a brief summary about a con he
>attended a little while...possiblity of an X-Men 2099 title coming out 
sometime next yeadoes the thought of this X-title occuring make you want to
 scream?  I know I did.
> 
	I knew it.  They had to degrade the mutants even more.  They are 
getting very annoying with the overexposure bit.  It's cool if they made
a guest appearance every 150 years but not every month in a different comic.
The comics are being overun by the fanboys,  we gotta stop it before it's
too late!!!

>                                               The Man(A Loyal Fan)

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