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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: BOOKS ON CD_ROM !!!!?????
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:46:54
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 23 Dec 92 06:55:30

>>>>> On 23 Dec 92 06:55:30, tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua) said:


tchua> When he removed it in TESB, I recall he was in some kind of
tchua> chamber. Perhaps that kept him alive? 

It was a meditation chamber.

--
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:20:05 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <?r#@byu.edu> julie@bones.et.byu.edu writes:

>I think the stormtrooper banging his head is a symbol of the
>imcompetence of an empire crumbling apart because of the monomania of
>one man in his search for his son...

True. It was an intended "comic relief" moment - those bungling impies!

>This could be fun!  Let's do some more...
>
>The dice in the cockpit of the Falcon are symbolic of Han's
>happy-go-lucky attitude.  Or they could be more like D&D dice, and
>suggestive that one's fate is decided at random.

True. The former! (also intended, IMHO)

>Leia's hair muffins in the first movie symbolize her uptight virginity
>-- she needs to let her hair down.  Ditto with the white dress.

True. Her overall image was designed to give her a true
fairy-tale-princess appearence, rather successfully I might add.
(On the naughty side, one can only guess why her hair style changed later in
life)

>C3PO's remark about the damage not being so bad suggests that we all
>need to get away from it all where we can put life in perspective.

See my other post on the subject.

>I could go on and on all day, but some of you are better at this than
>I am when you're being serious...this could be a fun thread.

True.

>"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE

True here as well. :-)


Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:26:55 CST

In article <1hsc3hINNal5@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:

>foomshanka
>
>avik@icase.icase.edu

Nice Young Ones quote!
From: barnabas@terapin.com (Colin Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:38:29 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Dec20.122600.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John
LaRocque) writes:
>In article <barnabas.2uoj@terapin.com>, barnabas@terapin.com (Colin Smith)
write
>s:
>> Are there going to be any more Star Wars movies? With all this new Movie
>> technology, George Lucas could have a field day with sepcial effects... Is
thi
>s
>> a FAQ?
>
>I stopped waiting for new movies about two years after ROTJ. Believe me,
>new movies will be coming, but not after massive marketing blitzes and
>the release of new novels, comic books or other Star Wars merchandise
>(like, the Star Wars radio show). That is called testing the market. You
>and I and thousands of others may want a return of Star Wars, but only
>a massive campaign to revive the happy childhood memories (of most of us)
>could renew interest in STAR WARS. (oh yeah, Star Wars games on NES)
>
>How many Star Wars fans have turned to Star Trek because of no movies?
>Quite a lot. Star Wars will never really die. But its fans may turn
>elsewhere when their thirst for more movies is not quenched.
>
>( BTW I loved last weeks ST:TNG. Just when I though things were getting
>really bad, they give us an exciting two-parter)
>
>Take care, interest is moving forward on this. The often reported date
>in this group is a new movie by 1997, the first trilogy to be made
>back-to-back like Back to the Future II and III, and based on some of
>the money saving but expensive looking techniques used in the Young
>Indiana Jones Chronicles. All in all, the future is looking up for 
>Star Wars. (and beware of the dark side)
>-- 
>
>John P. LaRocque
>vader@uwo.ca
>University of Western Ontario
>London, Ontario
>
>
>"Urk..urk..."
>"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Thanks for your input. 1997? That is a long wait......
From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:20:31 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.081356.19088@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes...
> BTW, Vader does not die in this book.  He is only injured.  I personally
>despise this book because it focuses on an object of power, instead of the
>humanity , which is what Lucas had preached.  Even with all the technology
>and computers in the Star Wars world, we were subconsciously informed that
>the human spirit is the greatest source of power and inspiration.  I find it
>really tacky that Foster had some nerve to put the power that "binds the
>galaxy together" into some cheap green rock, sort of like the Glove of Darth
>Vader.  IMHO of course.
> 
>Glenn..........

Ironically enough, Foster based this book on on earlier draft of the
screenplay for Star Wars, where Lucas had the plot revolving around a
crystal that embodied the Force (though I think it was called something
else at the time, the crystal was still called the Kiber crystal or
somesuch, very close to Foster's name for it).

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
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From: chris@132.236.236.51 (Christopher A. Wolf)
Subject: Re: Another error?
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In article <1992Dec31.001419.3601@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
> In <30DEC92142927@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) writes:
> >This is one of those things that everyone points to as a blooper in Star
> >Wars.  Think about it: it's not.  Why COULDN'T a Stormtrooper hit his head
> >on barging into a room?  It's an error on the STORMTROOPER'S part, but a
> >blooper is something that's logically inconsistent within the movie.  This
> >doesn't qualify.
>

> 2. I borrowed my Star Wars movies a couple of days ago to my friend... I
> can't check this out but I _think_ it was this way:
>
> Chewie, very tall wookie, walks through the doorway and doesn't lower his
> head. Then, some time later, stormtrooper walks through the same
> doorway and hits his head on the top of it. Either that stormtrooper
> is incredibly tall, taller than Chewie, or this is an error. OR, I
> don't remember the scene correctly, and Chewie & stormtroopers use
> different doors.

They use the same door but when Chewie walks through the door was
fully open (up).  When the StormTroopers enter they forced the door
open and it didn't go up the full way.


> 
> -- 
> Tapio Keihanen - tapio@nic.funet.fi \ / "Never look back, never turn!"
>                 - k135528@cc.tut.fi / \        -Ronnie James Dio, 1981

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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>     Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  
>The engines are close to the pivot point and do not have a new position that
>is substantially more efficient than they do when the wings are closed.  
>Perhaps the only advantage is the higher degree of laser spread that can be
>achieved????.  
   
   I thought the wings were spread when entering combat. This would
possibly be because of the greater maneuverability possible(?) if
the wings generated forces in some direction not parallel to the
central thrust of the main engine.  
	Also, the x-wing forces could be parallel to the central thrust
but if they were of different amounts 'turning' would result. This
might also be helped by spreading of the X-wings. I think that otherwise
spread X-wings would actually be easier to hit in combat, and since the
spread of fire is actuality pretty irrelevent..


>     Oh8Jyh yeah, in deep space, we would not be able to hear noise as there is
>no air to carry the sound waves.  When you see a passing ship, it would not 
>make that vvvvhhisssshhhhh sound... I guess that would make for a boring 
>battle scene though.

	Well, according to the Star Trek enthusiast someone quoted,
the energy of an explosion would activate the air surrounding anyone's
ear drums; if this energy pulsation came out the right frequency one could
hear sounds. The ships exploding had air, and within the ships there
would be sound.
>
>                                   John

	My main question would be regarding the fact that the targeting
systems were not more advanced. I mean, you could simply program the
ship's computers to simply shoot anything that doesn't look like a friendly,
hook the laser guns up to servo motors and eliminate all of the enemy before
human reactions would come into play.  Artoo could apparaently mimic the
sensing abilities of humans, and the intelligence thereof, and thus
could discern teh various types of ships. Combined with distance sensors
or computing algorithms, and things to figure out where the target will be
when the laser hits, the computer would not miss. There would be no humans 
involved since giving a human control would be suicidal for the person
unless they only assumed a supervisory role.

				John
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars RPG - Second Edition
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:39:19 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

Well, I bought it with the same feelings as you apperently have, and I must say that
I was most positivly surprised. It's almost an entirly new game.
The game is MUCH more role playing now, and a player DONT grab his blaster
leaves his home goes out and saves the universe and then goes home for lunch.
It's really starting to become a really neat role playing game, but then again, the
fast action, I cannot die game that SW was is gone. In second edition, you CAN
actually DIE (!!!) as a player.

The skill system is compleately redone, with TONS of new skills for example :

starship piloting (x-wing fighters a.s.o)
capital ship piloting (BIG ships)
spacefreighter (I think) piloting (i.e piloting Cargo ships Container ships and...... STOCK LIGHT FREIGHTERS !!!)

I think the system has really turned out nicely and is a very fun game to play. However
if you are looking for a game with fast action, I cannot die and the "let's save the universe"
style, dont buy second edition.

The boring part is that the new book is written in a much more messy system then the
first. Like everything is written in ONE part. (That's the impression anyway.)
I thought the first book was very neatly divided into sections with Force/Combat/Ship combat
a.s.o, but this one is very cludgy.

Anyway, it's a new, fun and interesting book. I like it.

Anders Liden
Mysse of Kingdoms
Fan of Darth Vader
Chalmers.
Sweden.
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From: julie@arizona.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

I'm not the one who originally compared Lucas to Classic
Literature...(icy smile)

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: FALCON model from '77 with lighting for sale
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:33:29 GMT

I have the original HAN SOLO'S MILLENIUM FALCON model kit for sale.
It's the original one from the first movie, from 1977, *WITH* battery
powered lighting!
 
The plastis wrapping fell off long ago (if you know what that old 
flimsy wrapping was like on those kits, you know what I mean) but the
model is essentially unopenned.
 
Everything is untouched and in it's original condition.
 
I want $100 + shipping.
 
E-mail me if interested!
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: BOOK: The Force of Star Wars
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:14:29 GMT

I found a book today never seen before or mentioned on this newsgroup!
The Force of Star Wars by Frank Allnutt. No ISBN listed, (c) 1977
by the Bible Voice, Inc.

Some stills from the movie in dot-ish black and white, unusual ones
not in the storybooks, etc.

This isn't a story, and it isn't criticism, I don't know what to call it.
I dunno how he got to use the Star wars trademark. It has little
to do with Star Wars. The back of the book claims he is "well qualified"
to write it, having a BA degree in Radio-TV-Film, working for Disney,
and being converted to Christianity. Doesn't sound like he is qualified
to speak at the incredible philosophical depth he's taking stuff.

The guy's basic point is that SW is an allegory for Christianity.
Even though evil looks good, and is the easiest way to go, good will
triumph in the end through perseverance. I go along with that, but
he takes it to such absurd proportions that he shoots himself
down. He reads this tremendous allegory into SW about how each character
represents some aspect of Christianity (there's a table of these in 
the back, for crying out loud), and ignores the whole point
of the film, escapism. He gets so close to the real point of why
SW is popular, but completely looses it. The text I've read so far
is sprinkled liberally (to say the least) with incredible digressions
into the history of Christianity. The points are almost obscured by
all this exposition that's off the topic.

What I really can't buy is the allegory, and reading it shows how
desperately he is clutching at straws to make it stick. A cynical
person could say that this book is using the SW name to lure unsuspecting
readers into a speil on Christianity (this arguement could be
supported by the "..if you have received Jesus Christ..." order
form in the back of the book). Which makes me wonder how they let
this book bear the SW logo. There's a certain tendancy for people,
especially in literary criticism and fanatical religious beliefs,
to read a lot more into things than is necessarily there, and to
try to tell people the way the thing is to be interpreted. This
author is fully involved with these two concepts :)

It's a case of going way off the deep end and not seeing the forest
for the trees, and a little narcisism (seeing himself and what he wants
to see in it) more than anything else.

But, it's certainly an interesting take on SW, a different viewpoint,
and hopefully an obscure and valuable collector's item :)

Scott
From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: LucasFilm Fanclub
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:21:47 PST
Organization: BBS



Hey guy/gals,

I've been all around town looking for a hardcover of StarWars for the
adventures of Luke Skywalker, but I've had no luck. I was wondering if the
LucasFilm fan club might offer it for sale. If so, How would I get in touch
with them?? Sorry, I'm new to this net. Thanks in advance.



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!



LONG LIVE THE PRO/AM!!!!!
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From: AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox)
Subject: Need TOPPS SW & EMPIRE cards!!
Organization: Motorola
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:46:40 MST

Well, after reading rec.arts.sf.starwars for several months now, it's
rekindled that 'giddy' feeling I had when I was a kid and worshiped
Star Wars.  I went up in the attic and brought down all of my Star Wars
'stuff' and had quite a bit of fun rummaging thru it all again.  A lot of
memories in that box! Anyway, I found several smaller boxes of Star Wars,
Empire and other SCI-FI trading cards.  I thought I might as well see
if anyone on the Net can help me finish some of these sets.  I'll leave
a list of the cards I need and also a list of any I have to trade/sell.

WHAT I NEED: (I believe all are Topps)

Yellow border Star Wars:
beginning of yellow series - 132, 152, 198

Green border Star Wars:
200, 233, 235.  The last one I have is 264, are there more?

Orange border Star Wars:
265, 267-269, 271-275, 278-286, 288-292, 294-297, 299, 301-311, 313-314,
316-317, 319--321, 323, 325-the end of the series

Star Wars stickers:
1, 2, 4, 7-13, 17, 23, 25, 29, 33, 45-47, anything after 48?

Blue border Star Wars:
Well, this is low priority, I'll put it this way, I have 62, 33 and 18.

Empire Strikes Back stickers:
1, 2, 4, 10, 16, 18, 23, 33, 36, 40, 46, 53, 55, 57-59, 61, 65, 67, 70,
71, 75, 78, 80, 84, 86, is 88 the last one?

E.T. cards:
6, 9, 16, 21, 22, 27, 34, 38, 46, 64, 68, 70, 74, 76-78, 80, 85, 86

E.T. stickers:
2, 11, is 12 the last in the series?

Raiders of the Lost Ark cards:
3, 8, 27-28, 33, 42, 44, 48, 54, 63, 67-68, 73, 75, 77, 79, 81

Superman 2 stickers:
1, 8, 16, 18

And that's *all* I need to make complete sets!  Sheesh, I need more than
I thought I did!  Two questions:  Were there only 3 sets of Empire cards?
Were there any Jedi cards made?  I kind of dropped out of society then so
have no idea!

OK, this is what I have to trade/sell:

Some Battlestar Galactica cards and stickers (good shape)

Some E.T. cards and stickers (excellent shape)

Some Superman and Superman 2 cards and stickers (good to excellent shape)

Moonraker cards

Close Encounters of the Third Kind cards

Alien cards

Mork and Mindy cards

The Black Hole cards

Star Wars - Yellow Border and Green Border

Empire Strikes Back (have lots of Empire cards)


What a list!  If anyone is interested in these, please e-mail me!
Thanks!

Regards,
Kevin
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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:13:56 GMT

Since there seems to be a renewed interest in "Splinter of the Mind's Eye",
I thought I would post the teaser on the back of the book.  It gives a pretty
good overview of the story.  This is posted without permission.

            STRANDED ON A JUNGLE PLANET,
          LUKE SKYWALKER AND PRINCESS LEIA
                 FOUND THEMSELVES
            DESPERATELY RACING IMPERIAL
         STORMTROOPERS TO CLAIM A GEM THAT
            HAD MYSTERIOUS POWERS OVER

                T H E   F O R C E

         Luke Skywalker expected trouble when
      he volunteered to follow Princess Leia on her
       mission to Circarpous to enlist their Rebel
      underground in the battle against the Empire.
      But the farm boy from Tatooine hadn't counted
       on an unscheduled landing in the swamplands
        of Mimban...hadn't counted on any of the
      things they would find on that strange planet.

      Hidden on this planet was the Kaiburr crystal, a
        mysterious gem that would give the one who
      possessed it such powers over the Force that he
        would be all but invincible.  In the wrong
       hands, the crystal could be deadly.  So Luke
        had to find this treasure and find it fast.

           Accompanied by Artoo Deetoo and See
       Threepio-his two faithful'droids-Luke and the
           Princess set out for the Temple of
        Pomojema...and a confrontation deep beneath
        the surface of an alien world with the most
              fearsome villain in the galaxy.

     ------------------------------------------------
            A THRILLING NEW SPACE ADVENTURE
     ------------------------------------------------

 BTW, Vader does not die in this book.  He is only injured.  I personally
despise this book because it focuses on an object of power, instead of the
humanity , which is what Lucas had preached.  Even with all the technology
and computers in the Star Wars world, we were subconsciously informed that
the human spirit is the greatest source of power and inspiration.  I find it
really tacky that Foster had some nerve to put the power that "binds the
galaxy together" into some cheap green rock, sort of like the Glove of Darth
Vader.  IMHO of course.

Glenn..........
-- 
Glenn McLain, Vice President Data Information Systems Klub(DISK)
University of Texas at San Antonio
College of Business Student Microcomputer Lab
HB 3.01.04  (512)691-4586
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:45:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.143822.16207@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>In <1992Dec29.082547.19859@schbbs.mot.com> bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis) writes:
>>For some reason, the doors close to the area where Darth and Ben were fighting
>>trapping Darth behind the doors.  ...

It was shut because Luke took a (well aimed) shoot at the control panel, as
per Han's suggestion.

>As for Darth's lightsaber, this is further proof of a previous, long-lasting,
>unresolved thread.  Some stated that the non-glowing blade of Ben's saber
>near the end of one of the duel scene segments (when Ben is backing up,
>and parrying (sp?) and Darth is taunting him, just before cutting to a
>different scene) is an indication that Ben was weak in the Force, and it
>is the Force that powers the lightsaber (or helps to power it).

ONCE AGAIN, it is not the NON-GLOWING of the saber (which I admit may be an
FX glitch) it is the VISBILE SHORTENING. (And it is not "some stated", it is
only me. No brave soul had backed me up on that one yet!)

Ben's fighting technique, the music, Darth comment, and the visuals are all
consistent with a shortening saber.


Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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