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From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Subject: Re: Real ale in North America
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: uk na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.180710.12757@mprgate.mpr.ca>, mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain
McVey) writes:
|> 
|> Well, after an all too brief trip around Scotland and England, I am
very
|> interested in real ale (cask) in north america.
|> 
|> Does this exist?
|> 
|> Is CAMRA active in NA?
|> 
	Not in Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, the Carolinas, Georgia,
or Washington DC.  Even our best brewpubs use kegs rather than casks.

	How about Canada and the Pacific Northwest ?

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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Duvel
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:05:41 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct13.145251.25154@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
|> it was a good beer .. light taste .. but far to expensive.. $3.25 for one bottle.
|> but i had to try it.. it didnt have the extraordinary taste i was hoping for ... but at least it didnt taste foul... i would have been upset .. 
|> anyone else have this beer ?

Yes, I had some about 1 1/2 years ago, and if I remember correctly, absolutely
*loved* it.  It had the best head I've ever gotten from bottled beers, and
had a light, bitter taste which actually seemed to play with your taste buds
(not take them over).

I'll have to pick up some more now that I think about it 8-)

...it was _very_ expensive though.  Something like $8 or $9 for a 4 pack.

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From: phughes@kirk.NMSU.Edu (HUGHES)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Visit Old Columbia Brewery in San Diego for me!!!
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:21:38 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University


Any thirsty folks going to San Diego should visit Karl Struss's Old Columbia  
Brewery and Grill. It's located on Columbia and B Streets in downtown San  
Diego. I grew up with Chris Cramer who started it. His cousin is Karl Strauss,  
who has 50+ years of brewing experience, it shows!!!

If you go say hello for me, and sip a fine "Downtown After Dark" or a "Gaslamp  
Gold Ale". I miss the hell out of real beer!!!   I'm in southern New Mexico at  
New Mexico State University. It's a nice place to be, but people here think  
Coors Light is beer! NOT!!  

Paul Hughes
From: weir@cbmvax.commodore.com (Robert Weir - Manuals)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Miller Reserve
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:59:07 GMT
Reply-To: weir@cbmvax.UUCP (Robert Weir - Manuals)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA



>>Yeah, I confess I couldn't resist, and I tried one of these Miller
>>Reserve Draft 100% barley things in the nifty multi-sided bottles.

>>Stuff. Or, to be more precise, more of the same old stuff. Plain old
>>ordinary typical boring mainstream US blatz water. God, do I ever feel
>>like one of P.T. Barnum's favorite targets. Why? Why? Why? I should've
>>known better. Hell, I DO know better! But still, that stupid naive fool
>>in me made me pay money to buy something that the rest of me KNEW was
>>going to be the same old bear whiz. I mean, come on, did I really think 
>>that the current rise in real beer awareness and quality brewing in this 
>>country would actually somehow persuade Miller Brewing Co. to spend a 
>>fraction of its filthy millions to really create and market something that 
>>might actually be worth drinking??! NO! The answer is "HELL, NO!!" How
>>could I be so thick-headed? I deserve just what I got. I actually gave
>>Miller the benefit of multiple doubts! What a stupid thing to do!! Even
>>as I whipped out my wallet, I said to the guy in the store, "Y'know some-
>>thing, this is the first Miller product I've bought in probably 15 years."
>>He nodded sympathetically....(and probably laughed as I left the store).

>>I can't kick myself hard enough. Don't buy it. Don't fall for it. If it's
>>in a tv commercial, forget it.
>>                                            -stuart@apollo.hp.com


Please don't be so hard on yourself. You saw, you bought, you paid dearly.
Now you know better (and so do the rest of us, thank you). I, too, bought
the Miller "Reserve". It tastes like the urine from my pet yak. The one with
cystitis. What I didn't drink of the "Reserve", I used in a disciplinary enema.
It really hurts.



RSW
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Duvel
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:06:00 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer

In article <1992Oct13.145251.25154@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
|> it was a good beer .. light taste .. but far to expensive.. $3.25 for one bottle.
|> but i had to try it.. it didnt have the extraordinary taste i was hoping for ... but at least it didnt taste foul... i would have been upset .. 
|> anyone else have this beer ?
|> ---

  This is one of my all time favorites.  I got to like it while living in belgium.  I think that it is a bit watered down for the US market.  It is 9.5% alc in Belgium, and we merkins can't handle anything *that* strong. :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Blackened Voodoo
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:18:27 GMT

In article <BvvC23.6st@acsu.buffalo.edu> v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HUNG LO) writes:
>Organization: Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary
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>Well, Blackened Voodoo is the name and its expensive.  Due to budgetary
>problems, my exploration of new or interesting brews has been limited.
>Before purchasing some to try, Id like to hear any comments anyone has
>about it.
>Thanks 

They really let you guys drink beer in the pen?  Gee, prison laws are
getting so lax these days... 

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From: v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HUNG LO)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Blackened Voodoo
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:13:00 GMT
Organization: Leavenworth Federal Penetentiary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, Blackened Voodoo is the name and its expensive.  Due to budgetary
problems, my exploration of new or interesting brews has been limited.
Before purchasing some to try, Id like to hear any comments anyone has
about it.
Thanks
From: weir@cbmvax.commodore.com (Robert Weir - Manuals)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Philly beer
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: weir@cbmvax.UUCP (Robert Weir - Manuals)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA



>>Help!
>	I am trying to find out where to get good beer in Philadelphia at a half
>>way reasonable price.  It seems like a six-pack of anything is at least $6-7,
>>and case prices are also high.

Six-pack prices are outrageous if you buy it in a bar (and you can't buy a 6
anywhere else. Also, when you do buy a 6 at a bar, you have to carry it out
in a brown paper bag. And you can only buy up to a 12 at any given time.)
Case prices, however, are not too bad.  Cases are sold through beer stores
only. I don't think they are allowed open after dark (or so it seems). I 
went to a beer store in North Central PA and they only had American beer and
none of it was dark. Scary, I say.

>>I realize that this situation is mostly due to 
>>PENNSYLVANIA's ARSININE LIQUOR REGULATIONS AND TAXES, but that doesn't help
>>me much since I don't have an automobile

>>	I'm looking for the following things:

>>	1) Place with a GOOD selection of beers (6's or cases)
>>	2) Places with GOOD prices


Because of PA's Quaker Beer and Liquor laws prices are high, but selection
is low. Brews coming in from out of state need a special license to sell
in PA. The cost for the license is prohibitive, so they stay away.
Its called "Beer-Free Enterprise."

>>	3) Any microbrew places BESIDES Sam Adams or Dock St.

Seems like that's about it for PHilly. There are several small places
in SE PA as noted in the post of American Microbrewries that appears in
alt.beer regularly.

>>	4) Places with a good selection of draft beers

There's a place next to the new 1000plex Movie Theatre on Columbus (nee
Delaware) Ave. called "Philly Rock." They must have 50 world beers on
tap. Nothing to shock the tastebuds, but a large selection seldom seen
elsewhere.

>>	5) Any Philly beer happenings (I'm not a brewer however)

Not really. There was a Beer Tasting festival over Memorial day (or 
was it Labor day -- it was in Late May '92, at any rate). Again, nothing
too fancy because of the cost of license to sell. I remember drinking a
German beer there that wasn't Beck's. Wow.


Maybe someone from the area can provide more info than this. I'm hardly a
life long resident of the area.

>>	If anyone can help convince me that the city of brotherly love,
>>our nation's fifth largest, is not an absolute dung hole as far as beer
>>drinking goes, I'd be much obliged.


As far as beer goes, Philly is lame. The state makes sure of it. Pretty
convincing, eh? 'Tis a shame you can't get good beer around these parts
because it sure would come in handy to wash down them pretzels.



RSW
 


From: Joey.Bishop@f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joey Bishop)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: harley-davidson 'heavy' beer.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:14:42 -0500

HD beer is produced  for biker's week in Daytona.  I 'think' it was first
brewed in '84 by Pabst.  The brewers varies from year to year.  Huber
was brewing it the last time I got some  ('87 ?).  It was Augsburger
that year.  They don't brew a special brew, just whatever is on the canning
line.  
 
   Oh... the cans leak ;-)
From: jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (John R. Mellby)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: OLD NICK!
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:13:41 GMT
Organization: TI-DSEG Spring Creek

In article <1992Oct13.202145.19761@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
|>   Ug!  I used to bet people that they could not chug a bottle without

"Chuq" Old Nick?  I really have to doubt the good sense of anyone who
would suggest this.  It says a lot about lack of sense to chuq any
strong beer let alone a barleywine.

In any event, barleywine is a different style from other beers, and you
have to get a chance to become accustomed to it!  Don't give up after one
beer just because it tastes different.  Try a couple of bottles, and
before you cross it off your list.  (I mean try drinking it on a couple
of different occasions, not drinking a whole 6 of Old Nick at any
one time)

Any like most barleywines, it seems to taste better in colder weather.
In the summer drink weizen.

John R. Mellby                       Texas Instruments
jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com         P.O.Box 869305, MS 8513
jmellby@mcopn2.ti.com                Plano, Texas, 75266
(214)517-5370                        (214)575-6774
From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:56:13 GMT
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Distribution: usa
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1av2h3INNns4@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
|> 
|>    I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but this kind of posting
|> should probably be restricted to a local distribution, if possible.

I disagree, the only thing in that posting that alienates outside the
triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill NC) is the mention of two grocery
stores in our area that also have stores in NC, VA, OH, KY, TN, WV, SC, GA.


|> In my travels around the country, I've seen a wide variation in the
|> price of beer, both in general and brand-specific.  For example, in

All the more reason to discuss this.  I've griped to the store manager
at my local Kroger about the price of the good brews.  He even said that
non-budmilloors (tm) outsells the budmilloors much of the year but the
prices are set "by the home office" and he has no control over it.  They
continue to have the sales on the budmilloors by the case and have since
moved the good stuff out of the refrigerated section to make room.  Its 
just not right!

|> Rhode Island, it's difficult to find *any* non-Budmilloors beer for
|> under $6/sixpack-- even Sam Adams is generally closer to $7 when
|> the steep liquor and local taxes are added.  On the other hand,
|> when I've been in Wisconsin, the LA area, and Florida, a lot of
|> decent beer like those listed above could be found (and enjoyed!)
|> for under $6.

I think this is worth a good discussion.  While alcohol taxes do play 
a part in pushing the cost up, and demand has an effect on the cost of
the beer, the general rule is your local grocer (or wherever you buy your 
brew) charges more for good beer and less for bad beer!  The only way
this will change is if we complain and complain loudly.

I've heard that prices in the Great White North (tm) are even worse.
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ahaley@eo20 (Andrew Haley)
Subject: Re: Youngs RamRod
Organization: EO, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:16:56 GMT

Charles S. Tarrio (cst@bork.nist.gov) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct8.132116.7658@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com  
: (Steve Carrobis) writes:
: > o.k. here's anotherone .. last year i met a guy from england and i told  
: him i was a great fan of beer and i was interested in some of the off the  
: beaten trail brew of england .. he bought me 2 bottles of Young's RamRod  
: Pale Ale ...
: > its a Barley Hops brew .... it wasnt bad .. but it had a definite taste  
: that took getting used to .. it was probably the barley .. 
: > since i only had 2 bottles i didnt have time to discern the taste ...  
: but i think it was the barley ... 
: > but it was definitely on the weak side as far as taste ... 
: > if anyone has had this maybe u know what i mean ... 
: > 
: > ---
: > Steve C. 
: > 
: >  ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
: >                              - Just fools who think they are.
: > ---------------------------------------------------------------	 
: 	
: >  I understand you need someone to do work.
: >  I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
: >     -Vladimir Taltos
: > ---------------------------------------------------------------
: 
: Young's also makes a few more brews with a lot more flavor than the
: Ram Rod that can be found if you know where to look.  One is a not-
: very-bitter Bitter.  The only other that I can think of now is Old
: Nick, a barleywine that has my all-time favorite picture on the bottle.
: Old Nick was the first barleywine I ever had that made me realize why
: it's called barleywine.  The aroma literally reminds me of cheap red
: wine, and the flavor is entirely different, not unlike that of
: Samiclaus.  

Here is a real problem.  Young's botled beers are OK, but they really
specialise in draught beer.  This stuff does not travel well, and is
usually available only in a 20 or so mile radius around Wandsworth.

Young's draught beers are really excellent: Ordinary, a fine light
bitter, and Special, a somewhat stronger bitter.  They also do a wicked
winter ale (I can't remember what it's called.)  It's impossible to
describe what real ale on tap tastes like if you've never tasted it,
and Young's make some of the best.

: __________________
: Any opinions expressed are not those of NIST or the Government
: C.                              ctarrio@enh.nist.gov

Andrew.
From: cm007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dr. Ski)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: 24 beers on tap???  Only in NYC
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I frequent a bar in Greenwich Village, NYC called JEKYLL AND HYDE.  Not only
does it have a beer menu, but they carry over 200 different types of beers
from 21 different countries.  Jekyll and Hyde carries "Samichlaus Dark Bier"
from Switzerland, and as they comment, "is the strongest beer in the world!
14%...Brewed only once per year on December 6th celebrating St. Nicolas. 
Its long maturation and high alcohol content make for a surprising firmness
and brandyish finish.  LIMIT TWO!"

If you are ever in New York City, be SURE to stop by Jekyll and Hyde, you
will never forget it, and it is worth the trip.  Also, please note, the
beers are not cheap...some range up to $15.  

Under some of the beers (the more exotic ones) they comment on the quality
etc., but under Budweiser in bottles, they simply state..."The King Of
Beers?"

Feel free to try any of the 24 beers on tap from 8 countries.



enjoy!!!!

-Dr.Ski
 U.Of.R
From: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: 24 beers on tap???  Only in NYC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:08:24 EDT
Organization: 5 Sigma Software
Reply-To: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5


In article <1992Oct15.043746.13243@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> (alt.beer), cm007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dr. Ski) writes:
) Feel free to try any of the 24 beers on tap from 8 countries.
) 
That's nice, but Henry 'n Harry's Goat Hill Tavern in Costa Mesa CA
advertises 121 taps.  Never been there ... how is it?  Anyway,
the Brickskeller in DC is reputed to have the "largest selection of
bottled beers in North America."  NYC just isn't a beer town, sorry!

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:47:50 GMT

However...Kroger has NO Malt Liquor..well maybe King Cobra.  But Food Lion
sports the St. Ides 40 as well asteh 8-Ball 64!!


By the way..I gave in and bought some Sapporo cause of the weird cans..nowthis
wasn't the 'normal' curved single can...but a 2 qt beast that looks like a motor oil can (bought on-base).  And all I have to say is.....not impressed...
boring...give me Sam Adams or Grolsch or something....
From: turin@jarre.euromath.dk (Soren Turin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: American beer
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:46:40 GMT
Organization: Euromath Center, University of Copenhagen


I've recently started to read alt.beer and what surprises me is the
number of totally unknown beers mentioned. In this good-forsaken
country i can buy beers from almost any corner of the earth except US.
I've even stumbled across chinese beer (Double Happiness; tasted OK),
but never ever have i come across a US beer. Yea, i can get US Bud but
i don't voluntarily drink bats piss; the real Budvar is good. So, if 
any of you netters out there know of a European importer of US beer
please tell me about it. If it means going to some far corner of this 
continent i'll keep it in mind when considering my vacation. 


Hoppy regards 
Soren

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Appologies (Re: american beer)
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:41:36 GMT

In article Hv7@unix.amherst.edu, mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (Marlon McDuck) writes:
 
> Don't worry about it.  If the truth be told, most Americans think that the
> mass-produced crap that you were so furious about _is_ what beer is supposed
> to be like.  The Americans posting to this newsgroup are, for the most part, a
> minority.
>  
: ----------------------
> 
> Marlon Feld
> Amherst College
> 
> 
> 


here here !!! buy that man a round of pints ..... 

---
Steve C. 

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                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: dechc00@tohi.dmi (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: american beer
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:11:51 GMT
	<1bjuiaINN1ba@ub.d.umn.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
	d'Informatique


Scott Erickson writes:

>In my opinion, the Sierra Nevada brews and Killian's Red are the best brews
>on this list.

>Everytime I drink Killian's Red, I am surprised that such a good brew could
>be brewed by Coors.  I do not have any respect for the other Coors products I
>have tried.  However, I have seen, in a local bottle shop, a brew called
>Winterfest that is bottled by Coors.  Has anyone tried this?

Once uppon a time we could enjoy a pretty good brew from one of the great crap
brewers.  It was named Rickard's Red.  It was brewed by Molson back here in
Canada and was only available on tap.  I realy got addicted to this beer,
because it was good, it was cheap and it was sold here on the campus bar (I
live on campus).  Sometimes later I call for a 'Red' at the same bar but the
barman was sorry to tell me that Molson had ceased production of that brew
because it didn't sell much.  I could'nt understand that, it seemed to be
selling so well here, amoreal beer lovers.  Does that mean that the great
crap brewers' clients are only occasional drinkers with absolutely no taste?
Anyways I hope the same thing does'nt happen to your 'Red'!

Meanwhile, keep drinking it a lot so Coors don't stop production (it might be
a lot of beer, big responsability, lucky you).
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