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From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Subject: Re: Best team in Europe (Was: Re: WC qualifier: Israel-Sweden)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:48:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143300.17885@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
|> to happen before '94, where Germany will be the second nation to win two
|> times in a row (and first to reach 4 consecutive finals).
|> -- 
|> Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
|> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
|>                The Manchester United of 2015?

And to here that from someone from the country that has shown that the
German's are _not_ in any way unbeatable! The team Germany showed in 
the European Cup this year was not in any way _very_ frightening, and
that team was mostly composed of _old_ players. IMHO, either they have
to change their team, and bring in some now players, in which case
anything might happen, or they'll see themselves regressing even further!

Somehow, I have a feeling that this is not going to be Germany's WC,
even though it's a bit early for starting the predictions...
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Plagiarism and Belgium's goals (was Re: World Cup Qualifier Results)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 10:56:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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> As to the Wales - Belgium game: in the list announced before the tournament
> the game was listed as a Walisian home game, but several papers and tv
> station has reported it as a home victory (2-0) and then gone on to show
> the perfect tally for Belgium above.
> 
> Let us have the facts: was it played in Wales or Belgium?

Ok, time for some trivia.

The game was played in Belgium, in Anderlecht's home ground.

When the draw was originally made this game was supposed to be played in Wales,
but these days Wales like to play their home games in Cardiff Arms Park, home
of Welsh Rugby Union. Last Saturday, 21/11/92 Wales Rugby Union team were due
to play Australia and so needed the grass left long (as is favoured in Rubgy
Union). Had the football match between Wales and Belgium gone ahead in Cardiff
on 18/11/92 the grass would have been cut short and wouldn't have grown back in
time for the Rugby Union game the following Saturday (not at this time of the 
year, anyway), so Wales asked the Belgian FA to switch the tie to Belgium hence
the 2-0 home win for Belgium.

The Wales - Belgium tie will be played in 1993.

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From: pjs@informatik.uni-koeln.de (Peter Stangier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: German 2.Bundesliga round 22
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:40:57
Organization: Computer Science, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
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In-reply-to: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:34:14 GMT

A: Wuppertaler SV - Carl Zeiss Jena  2:2

B: K"oln's _best_ football team is even better! We have:

    1. Freiburg         49:24 34:10
    2. MSV Duisburg     32:17 30:14
--> 3. Fortuna K"oln    31:12 29:15 <--   1. Liga, we are coming!
----------------------------------------
    4. VfB Leipzig      34:22 29:15
    ...
   10. Carl Zeiss Jena  32:29 23:21
   11. Wuppertaler SV   31:23 22:22
    ...

Maat et jood, Peter.
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: CSKA vs Rangers
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:57:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.094441.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>CSKA vs Rangers
>The above match will take place in Santander in Northen Spain.
>
>CSKA have been told by UEFA that all there home matches will have to
>be played at away venues.


This is a wise decision. Look, those damn Russians are poor and genetically
inferior to Western European Ubermenschen. Those pigs should be glad they
are allowed to play in ht eUEFA tournament at all. It is only fair that
they play all their games away from home: that way they will lose to
British teams and make everybody happy.  :-)

You may ask: "Moscow teams have been playing winter UEFA games at home for
decades. What has changed?"

Very simple: in the past, they could have nuked the UEFA headquaters. Now
they will not. So, lets kick them while they are down. Afterall, UEFA is
the most fair and objective organization in th eWorld! :-)

Vlad

Employer disagrees

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From: msdloem@cs.vu.nl (Loemban MSD)
Subject: Re: CSKA "Home" Games
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:32:29 GMT

J.M.Ross (J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk) wrote:
: 
: Does anyone know why UEFA won't allow CSKA to play their home EC1 group 
: matches in Moscow? Is there any precedence for this?
The rescheduling was due to the climate in Moscow in the Winter. It's going to
be too cold to play soccer.
btw.
CSKA wanted the match to take place in Barcelona. :-)
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From: skfong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Fong Siu Kit)
Subject: Re: World Cup Indoor Soccer: European Teams.
Keywords: groups, some dates and results.
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:01:07 GMT

crough@cs.strath.ac.uk (Christopher P Rough IE90) writes:

> I would like to know how the teams are selected for this competion,
>and why there are not more European teams in it, after all it is
>the "World" Cup Indoor Soccer competion?

As far as I know, the teams are selected in a similar manner as the
World Cup.  Teams had to play qualifying matches before entering into
the final rounds of the championship.  Perhaps since there are not many
countries with indoor soccer developed, most have not heard for some
qualifying matches.

Of course, some teams did not need to play the qualifying matches.  For
example, Hong Kong is the host and so the team plays in the final rounds
directly.  Also, Nigeria did not play any qualifying matches because it
is the only country interested to play in Africa!

Why do you want more European team?  There are already six European
teams (out of sixteen) in the final rounds.  Perhaps indoor soccer is
not very popular in Europe as in America.

SK


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From: esh036@cck.coventry.ac.uk (RED*DEVIL)
Subject: Re: Man Utd vs Everton
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:52:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.182745@iti.gov.sg> harin@iti.gov.sg writes:
>
>According to my most reliable information source (my computer!), it was
>
>19 Aug	Manchester Utd   0-3   Everton

Ahhhhhhh, but dont forget to mention that the scouse only had 3 shots on
goal and were gifted 2 due to errors from the new back pass law. When the
real football started we stuffed them well and truly.......

>12 Sep	Everton          0-2   Manchester Utd

P.S. Friendly Result

Man Utd 3    Brondby 2           Tue 10 Nov.

Brian McClair actually scored apparantly!!!!!
Shock.....Horror.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also thats the first time Utd have scored 3 since pre-season.
We also stuffed Rangers on their own pitch as well talking of pre-season!!!!
Thank You.....

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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:52:45 GMT

In article 1Dt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee) writes:
>
>
>>There is one easy solution here - Go and watch the game.
>
>Jeez Paul..learn to read, its not *just* about football on the telly, it's
>about general sports coverage offered by the supposedly *British* Broadcasting
>Service and in particular the networked program Sportsnight. Football is only
>one aspect.
>

Well can't you go and watch the other sports? Are you banned or something?

>>If Scottish people want to moan about no Scottish football on TV, then they should
>>moan to the BBC.
>>In Wales they have their own sports program showing Rubgy and the like. Why doesn't
>>Scottish TV do the same???
>
>Yes Paul, very good....however I think that should read "...moan at the EBC"
>
>
>Dave
>
And I think that you should learn about market forces and competition and all that.
(See previous post).
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From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Predictions' League from Edinburgh University
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:03:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Hi folks and welcome once again to the one and only Scottish
predictions' league ! This week, the delay in posting is due to my
PhD, but don't worry I won' let such trivialities come between me and
the league again. I am now committed to the predictions' league till the
end of the season !

This week we welcome Garry Sinclair to the fold. Scores last weekend
were,

Dave Smith                              9 (6,3)
The PARanoid                            9 (6,3)
Keith Franklin                          7 (4,3)
Henry the mild mannered janitor         7 (5,2)
Stephen Gilmour                         7 (5,2)
David Mousley                           5 (4,1)
Garry Sinclair                          5 (4,1)
Gerry Stewart                           5 (4,1)
Douglas Howat                           4 (3,1)
James Shaw                              4 (3,1)
Graeme Cruickshank                      3 (3,0)
Tracy Haldane                           3 (3,0)
Elliot Worth                            1 (1,0)

 
  The updated league is as follows, and such to add a little extra
spice, I've added in everybody's team affiliations (where they are
known).

                               Pts   Bon   Tot   Poss   Team
1. James Shaw                   75    16    91    264   Rangers
2. Tracy Haldane                65    17    82    250   Dunfermline
3. Henry tmmj                   70    12    82    266   Hearts
4. Keith Franklin               59    16    75    236   Dunfermline
5. Gerry Stewart                59    12    71    250   Celtic
6. The PARanoid                 55    11    66    250   Dunfermline
7. Graeme Cruickshank           46    11    57    204   ???????
8. Dave Smith                   48     9    57    204   ???????
9. Stephen Gilmour              32     8    40    110   Rangers
10.Arabian Bairn                25     6    31     94   Dundee United
11.Douglas Howat                26     3    29    102   St Johnstone
12.Elliot Worth                 18     2    20     70   Q.P.R. !!!
13.Dave McCann                   8     2    10     32   Bohemians !!!
14.Andy Lipscomb                 8     1     9     30   Hearts
15.David Mousley                 5     1     6     30   Newcastle United
16.Garry Sinclair                4     1     5      8   ???????
17.Dave Neilson                  4     0     4     12   Strasbourg

   
     Apologies to those I've missed out (or even got totally wrong).
This week's games are all being played this Saturday for a change. My
next posting will be my own predictions with a wee bit of sarcastic
analysis.

     Saturday 21st November

   Airdrie v Hibernian
   Celtic v Falkirk
   Dundee v Dundee United
   Hearts v Rangers
   Partick Th v Aberdeen
   St Johnstone v Motherwell

   St Mirren v Kilmarnock

   Brechin v Stenhousemuir


        Gerry Stewart
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From: peruano@IASTATE.EDU (Lars Dierking)
Subject: PERUVIAN CHAMPION!!!! 
Reply-To: peruano@IASTATE.EDU (Lars Dierking)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:00:19 GMT

...........Y DALE U........
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From: MOORES@BNR.CA (Richard Moores)
Subject: Where's Tim's Weekend Priview/Results ?
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:22:39 GMT

Tim,
    I finally have access to the NET from home, and am sitting here on
Saturday morning listening to the BBC looking forward to reading your
pre-match round up and there it was GONE !!! ;-)

But seriously, I for one have enjoyed your postings for a long time. Keep
up the great work, its greatly appreciated.

...Richard

Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
MOORES@BNR.CA
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: It's COMPETITION time!
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:08:28 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov19.113815.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In view of the fact that our good friend DENISE has postally consumated her
> relationship with Mr. Souness, he leaving her with a signed snap of his good(!)
> self methinks the time is right for a little contest.  In not more than 100
> words I challenge you, the fine subscribers to r.s.s., to imagine what was the
> content of the letter sent to Anfield by our Australian chum.  Send them to me,
> I shall judge them and post the winners in the coming weeks.

Dan,
When I first saw your COMPETITION I thought it might have been something
to do with guessing the eventual outcome of the Celtic stadium saga.  May
I suggest a similar competition with the following as some suggestions
for the eventual outcome;

1)  The stadium at Cambuslang is built, Celtic move to it and
everyone lives happily ever after.   (Probably not)

2)  The stadium at Cambuslang is built but Celtic go bankrupt in the
process of purchasing the land.  (Probably)

3)  The stadium at Cambuslang is not built so Celtic decide to stay
at Parkhead and invoke Kevin Kelly's escape clause....install benches.
(Very probably)
                                  
4)  The stadium at Cambuslang is not built so Celtic decide to stay
at Parkhead but it costs them so much money to refurbish the place they
go bankrupt.

5)  The stadium at Cambuslang is not built, but the council deem Parkhead
totally unsuitable for further development so Clyde step in and offer
to let Celtic use their new 10 000 stadium in Cumbernauld.

      	While all this is going on Ally McCoist becomes Prime Minister
and Rangers join a World Series League.

	So Dan how about some odds on these suggestions ? After all you
do claim to be the Pontiff's Bookie.

> Dan
> CBA40@UK.AC.STRATH.VAXA
  ^^^^^^



Fly man, giving the wrong address so no-one can get in touch with you.
> 
> 
> ps DENISE, please don't send flames, send just a signed portrait!
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From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Re: results of Feyenoord Rotterdam
Keywords: Feyenoord
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:23:49 GMT

In article <BxwrM6.8Ap@sus.edu.eur.nl>, cspas077@sus.edu.eur.nl (R. van Dordregt) writes:
|> FC Twente - Feyenoord        0-5
|> Feyenoord - Fortuna Sittard  4-1
|> FC Utrecht - Feyenoord       0-0
|> Feyenoord - Dordrecht'90     3-0
|> Feyenoord - Hapoel Tikva     1-0  1st round european cup winners cup
|> GA Eagles - Feyenoord        1-1
|> Hapoel Tikva - Feyenoord     2-1  1st round european cup winners cup return
|> Feyenoord - Sparta           2-2
|> PSV       - Feyenoord        1-1
|> FC Luzern - Feyenoord        1-0  2nd round european cup winners cup 
|> Feyenoord - Volendam         2-0
|> Feyenoord - GA Eagles        7-0  KNVB Cup
|> Feyenoord - RKC              4-1
|> Feyenoord - FC Luzern        4-1  2nd round european cup winners cup return
|> SC Cambuur - Feyenoord       0-1
|> 
|> 

Please add:
Feyenoord - Ajax     0-3.

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

timo.
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:08:28 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 >...American businessmen will bastardize the game by slowing it down
 >and inserting commercials...

As Marcus stated, several television networks (most noticably in North
America is Univision) will "box" the action with a company logo
(often Budweiser beer) after every goal. During Italia '90, Univision
never interrupted the action while the english language TNT (Turner
Network Television) interrupted the action frequently and missed both
goals and crucial plays. Univision's strategy was to show logos of
Honda, Chiquita Bananas, Gatorade, etc. along the bottom of the screen
for about ten seconds and that would only happen about every 15 minutes
or so.

The mystery is why would _American_ sponsors allow the logos on Univision
and NOT allow them on english language American television (often the
same companies)?

Answer: because stupid TNT never even thought of doing it that way, since
the pattern in American sports is to interrupt the action.

I guess that someone has to have the insight to point out the inconsistency
of doing it one way on Univision and the other on TNT.

Smart soccer people in the American companies who sponsor soccer all over the
world have to be mobilized in the US to point out to the US advertising
agenies  (who know nothing about soccer advertising) that the interruptions
hurt the game (and maybe make real soccer fans mad at the products that
are interrupting the action).

This is not an insuperable problem, rather it is one that takes a creative
solution by people who KNOW the game.

Chris

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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: ENGLAND GO IN SEARCH OF GOALS AGAINST TURKEY
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:02:39 GMT


>     Captain Stuart Pearce said: "There are no whipping boys
> in international football these days.

Q) Why are we subjected to the identical pre-game excuse every time we
(England) are playing teams that everybody knows that England should
humiliate if we were half as good as we make ourselves believe.

A) Because we are not half as good. The management in my opinion is CRAP.
It was EMBARRASING to watch the Euro Championships here in N.America (or
anywhere else), where the game has a hard enough time surviving, with
England's pathetic long ball tactics.

Because of our 4-0 win tonight, I suppose the pressure will be eased for
Taylor's head, but I believe that the sooner he goes, the sooner the chance
that England have of building a team that has a hope against the top sides,
and hopefully a chance of reaching and succeeding in the USA.

For my money, Cloughie has to be given a chance. The man is a PROVEN winner
(Taylor is not), with a great track record for building good footballing
TEAMS, and getting the very best out of the talents at his disposable. I
think the time has come to silence the "Clough In" chants of the past 10+
years and install him as manager. Then we can all find out if they were
warranted.

My 2p worth.

Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: kirrie vs north end report
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:49:40 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


KIRRIE THISTLE 2-5 DUNDEE NORTH END 

kirrie opened poorly in this PA cup tie when North end took an early lead, but
they hit back midway through the first half with a soutar goal. A shock looked
possible when kirrie went ahead early in the second half when slackness in the
north end defence allowed deans to score. The introduction of north end's sub
changed things when he came on in 67 minutes. He scored a nine minute hat-trick
as kirrie's good play totally collapsed, in between stewart scored for north
end to make the final score 5-2 to north end after being 1-2 down with fifteen
minutes left. An unusually large crowd of 29 watched the match. Most of whom
dropped into the pu to drown their sorrows. It was absolutely freezing as well
oh, the joys of junior football.......

        <<< axel the derry boy >>>
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:36:25 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee) writes:

>In article CKC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>caar18@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>
>>[About BBC sports reporting and English dominance]
>>
>>
>>Really? Did you see Sportsnight last Wednesday? I inadvertantly left my video
>>recorder running after taping Michael Palin's Pole to Pole and taped all of
>>Sportsnight. I watched it at the week end out of curiosity and perhaps thinking
>>I had been a little harsh on the BBC. Here's what it contained:-
>>
>>Brian Clough, manager of the *English* team Notts Forest - long interview with.
>>Rugby - Preview of *England* vs South Africa.
>>Basketball - *England* vs Russia
>>Football - *English* Premier League action
>>
>>Oh, we did get the Scottish results - thank you very much BBC - it took about
>>15 seconds to read them out.
>>

>There is one easy solution here - Go and watch the game.

Jeez Paul..learn to read, its not *just* about football on the telly, it's
about general sports coverage offered by the supposedly *British* Broadcasting
Service and in particular the networked program Sportsnight. Football is only
one aspect.

>If Scottish people want to moan about no Scottish football on TV, then they should
>moan to the BBC.
>In Wales they have their own sports program showing Rubgy and the like. Why doesn't
>Scottish TV do the same???

Yes Paul, very good....however I think that should read "...moan at the EBC"


Dave

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