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From: KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED IN PURDUE
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:30:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University
Supersedes: <92352.150513KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET>


 I'am looking for someone to share a two-bedroom apartment from Jan-Aug 93
 The apt. is very close to campus. If you know someone who is coming to
 Purdue this spring, give him my address and/or give me his address.
 Thanks a lot for any help.

 Highlights of the room:

   *  OWN ROOM.
   *  SPOTLESSLY CLEAN APARTMENT.
   *  CLOSE TO CAMPUS (1mt + or - 30 secs walk to every building that
                       matters in Purdue)
   *  ROOMMATE who has a "HANDS-OFF policy" towards roommates and a
               "swim with the current" attitude towards many issues.
                  ==>  very easy to get along with.

   *  RENT  :  $227.5 plus half of total utilities (expected $31)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:40:58 GMT

(Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>>> 	I ask for more tangible proofs.

>	There is no such thing as reality according to science. Because 
>	reality is immutable and science is incapable of going behind the
>	mutable. The proofs of science are based on 'virtual reality', i.e., 
>	the reality which exist within the context of seeker's sense
>	instruments. For example, for a 'color blind' person, there is 
>	no color and for a blind person there is no shape. You can't prove
>	that color exist to a color-blind person and that shape exist for
>	a blind person. I use science to seek 'virtual reality'. For 

IMHO, Veerendra is right on the money. Even a cursory reading of
(which is what I did recently) Immanuel Kant's "Prologomena to
The Critique of Pure Reason" raises enough questions in the mind 
of the reader and makes it difficult to accept the conventional, and
often tacit, definition of "reality". 

[Actually, Veerendra has raised some interesting questions himself
in the above paragraph.]

The very name of Kant and the daunting names of his books have
for long stopped me from even attempting to read these books.
But when I picked up the book recently it proved to be very
clear and well-reasoned. (I am still to complete it.) I recommend
this book very highly.

Satya Prabhakar
--
______________________________________________________________
Tell me what you pay attention to and I will tell you who you are!
					-Ortega Y' Gasset
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41207 soc.culture.tamil:4417
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Classified encounter - from Times of India.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

When I was browsing thru some old Times of India newspapers, I saw
some interesting classified encounters of which some are given below.
Have fun.
** Dearest X, want to give you something very special for your
   birthday, but I can't find a gift wrapper as big as my size -- YYY
** Dear X, the most sad thing about love triangles is that they turn
   into wreck-tangles. -- YYY
** Dear X, the presence of your absence is more painful than the 
   absence of your presence. -- YYY
** Far better to have loved and lost than to be buying shoes for eight 
   kids -- YYY
** Dear X, an apple a day keeps the doctor away, but the prices these
   days keeps apples away. --YYY
** LOVE X : I wrote across the gate of my heart, "no entry here" but
   love came laughing in it, and said "I enter everywhere". U know,
   maine pyar kiya  -- YYY
** Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things
   turn out -- YYY
** X, I'll never get a heart attack 'cause it's totally occupied by U.
   -- YYY
** FACT: To make mistake is human but to really mess things up requires
   a computer. -- YYY
** CONFIDENCE: That quality which permits an individual to do crossword
   puzzles with a fountain pen. --YYY
** DISCRETION: When you are sure that you're right, but still ask your 
   wife  -- YYY
** OBSERVATION: Girls are made of vinegar `n' ice, not sugar `n' spice.
   -- YYY
** A PESSIMIST is a man who wears both suspenders and a belt at the same 
   time. -- YYY

Venkat
--
venkat@jetson.uh.edu                | If you love something,set it free.
venkat@menudo.uh.edu                | If it comes back, it is yours.
venkat@uhupvm1.uh.edu               | If it does not, it never was.
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From: gillu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mandeev.sandhu)
Subject: Re: RE.SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:40:28 GMT

In article <1fn5qaINNjjg@male.EBay.Sun.COM> satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill) writes:
>
>
>	Come on all the PUNJABIS( Muslim , Hindus Sikhs) speak for it. 
>	I just gave the idea. 
>	
>	Parmjit Gill   
>	.
Great idea. If we can have a net for telugu and tamil then why not 
punjabi. Anyway, the greatest justification is the bandwidth
of sci. By creating this group a lot of this group's bandwidth
will be diverted. 
I second the motion.

mandeep

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Read before criticizing sati
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 DEC 92 22:08:53    


In article <BzDGMD.1Ft@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vtg1714@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vishwanath Tirupattur  ) writes...
>What's the point here?  Just because, there have been many instances in the   
>western civilization of cruelty and murder, Sati becomes okay? Sati is a   
>despicable custom and should be condemned, regardless of other despicable (sp!)
>acts committed else where.  
> 
>Vishwanath

	No. Please read carefully. I said sati is criminal and was not
	part of Hinduism. The point was that western media makes
	propaganda out of sati even if it was not part of Hinduism, but,
	overlooks their own history and religion about such cruelities
	as witch-killing. Sati was criminal so was witch-burning.

	After 50 years or so, it is possible that bride-burning may be
	regarded as a Hindu tradition even though we know today that it
	is not part of Hinduism.

	Most probably they do so out of curiosity, but it is not fun when
	the guy on the street talks about it in a derogatory sense.

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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 14:46:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Akash deshpande writes:
>Ok I am a dumb fool. Does the above statement clearly say yes or no.

	For the n th time, it says, " Yes, the particle does not exist in 
	any objective sense unless you measure it". 

>
>The crucial question is in fact: does a particle exist without the observer.
>Possible answers:

>Science: can't say

	You ARE dumb. 

>Rationality: rational thoughts cannot be formulated on this matter.

	Wrong. First, I don't see a division between Science and Rationality.
	Second, rational thts have been formulated and tested too. If you
	would just care to make use of your lovely Physics dept.

	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
Subject: Housing in Urbana-Champaign
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:39:18 GMT

Hi Folks,
	I am looking for housing in the Urbana-Champaign area starting
1st January. I would really appreciate actual housing information
as well as tips on other sources of housing information. I would also
appreciate information on local YMCA's and cheap hotels where I can
stay for a few days. You could either e-mail this info to me at 
sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu or ftsb@acad3.alaska.edu or post the
information in this group. Thank you for your attention.
Santanu Bhattacharyya
(Future grad student at UIUC) 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.231440.7702@news2.cis.umn.edu> balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.222735.9805@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>>
>>    Mr. Narsima Rao is making sure that Congress party will be wiped out
>>    of the Hindi belt for good!  Reminds me of the electoral fate of Mrs.
>>    Indira Gandhi after the emergency rule in India.
>>    I like that...
>>    And I hope that with the demise of Congress from the heartland
>>    of India, the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty will be gone for ever.
>
>     Would you kindly explain this statement of yours ? I wonder if the 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^/\/\/\/\/\^^^^^^^^^
>     Nehru family is in any way remotely linked to the present Congress 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     party. I suppose the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty has already gone for ever 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     from the party. 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Either you are very naive or you must be kidding. Who do you think 
holds the key to the lockers that contain the Congress(I) party funds ? 
You don't know ? Wonder about it for a while and you may get the answer...

[deleted]
>
>     This is not to say that IG/RG were saints. But I am against saying that 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     they were responsible for 'everything wrong ' that happened to India. 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

IG/RG are responsible for creating the indecent political "culture"
that exists in India today. And I would say that, more than 
anything else, it is this "culture" that has now plunged India into
anarchy.


>>    -jit
>
>     - S.Balaji 
>--

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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email : sudhi@usl.edu,         Address : USL PO Box 41688,
        sgs@ucs.usl.edu                  Lafayette, LA 70504-1688. USA.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: vobbilis@daffy.cis.udel.edu (Suresh Vobbilisetty)
Subject: Accomodation wanted in Bay Area.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:51:24 GMT


Hi everybody,

First, let me apologize for using these BBoards for my personal use. 

I am relocating to bay area and if you or someone you know is looking for
a room-mate to share an apt. within reasonably commutable distance to
Santa Clara (Great America Pkwy), please drop me a line at (302) 455 - 1605 
or leave a voice message. You can also send me an e-mail at :
vobbilis@cis.udel.edu.


I would greatly appreciate any help you may provide.

Thanks a bunch,
Suresh.
-- 
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Vobbilisetty Suresh                                vobbilis@cis.udel.edu 
University of Delaware                             (302)455 - 1605 (h)   
Newark, DE 19711                                   (302)831 - 1949 (o)   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@moonlight.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Tolerance
Keywords: communal carnage
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:44:08 GMT

Just using following to comment on tolerance.

In article <Bz41Kx.F93@ns1.nodak.edu> miriyala@plains.NoDak.edu (M.J.M) writes:
>
>	I agree that they should not be ashamed to be Hindus but
>	should be ashamed that people like u who proclaim to be Hindus
>	but do not follow its basic principles - like tolerance.

Why in heck is tolerance a basic principle of hinduism? Buffaloes are
tolerant. Hindus (at least until recently) sought a large world-view
which accommodated diversity. Hence, while it appears tolerant, it
in fact adapts to diversity by enlarging its world-view. The destroyers
of the Babri masjid represent a narrowing world-view and hence opposed
to the sanatana dharma concept of hinduism. Exhort us to be noble, not
buffaloes.

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Forwarded note
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:28:19 GMT

I am posting this for Harminder Dhillon. Please do not
reply to me.

----------------------------
Today's The Globe and Mail, Canada's national paper has a cartoon on the 
editorial page portraying a religious compound named "India" and its 
outer wall says in bold

 Death To Unbelievers


Raj Bhatnagar, that is what you and your cohorts have done to my India, 
whose mere name used to evoke the image of Mahatama. Our coming 
generations will pay dearly for your black deeds!!

with heartfull of pain
harminder dhillon


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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Wormallic
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:58:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec12.223820.10853@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>> >>T'was once a guy named WORMA,
>> >>Hate Moslems his only Karma,
>> >>He called himself a Hindoo,
>> >>And Cow-meat wasn't fundoo
>> >>But ate all else without any Sharma
>> >>
>> >>bk
>> >>
>> >A hindu fanatic from DEC,
>> >His country he sought to protect,
>> >From the eaters of meat
>> >And the sins they bequeath.
>> >But his rantings have an impotent effect.
>> >
>> >Ed
>>	
>>	Worma is a total Jerkoo,
>>	At Christians he is smirkoo,
>>	Claims to be civilized,
>>	But brain is undersized,
>>	Has the mantality of a moronic Clerkoo!
>>
>>	FFT
>
>Virendra is such a fanatic,
>His responses are oft automatic.
>When out in the street,
>Intolerance to preach,
>I hope he's not run down by traffic.
>
>Ed
>
>

I am new to this group really!
Why do you give Mr. Viru "gali"?
Cowshit and bulldung all this,
So much fun, I don't want to miss!
C'mon guys, tell me the whole story!!!    :)

                                                           Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: divaka@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:25:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223435.1141@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
|> 
|
|> 
|> 	On another note, all scriptures have dual aspect - a temporal
|> 	which is representative of the time and country, and, second
|> 	eternal which is applicable at all times in all countries. Incidences
|> 	such as sati belong to former aspect. Today sati is almost extinct
|> 	like bitch-burning of Christians. It had taken the form of jauhar
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       ?!?!!!!!!!!!
|> 	during Mughal atrocities. Today, there is no need, and it is not
|> 	there.
                      Sorry netters. I could not resist it.
                                                        ajay
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From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Re: .... Keep out of SCP.... (Was : Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century)....
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:43:26 GMT


Ofcourse, our dear secularists, expect pakistaniis ALSO to imbibe some of their rational thinking
spiced up with some global-outlook (read:: look-outside-not-inside)  and morality and
more importantly to display their linguistic skills in repeating the same idea 20 times
in one paragraph (Now, seriously, that is no mean acheivement)...

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

In article 22841@beaver.cs.washington.edu, hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
-+>My dear Mr. Parakh,
-+>
-+>What is your point ? and What does your "dissertation" have to do with SCP?
-+>
-+>As a Pakistani American I find it amusing that the educated Indians presume
-+>every little bit of their thoughts on religion, India and even Bengladesh
-+>is of outmost importance to Pakistanis.
-+>
-+>I can only request in the strongest terms, please leave SCP for Pakistanis and people who have genuine interest in Pakistan. Thank You.
-+>
-+>If you are not generating any interest in your own SCI group, maybe you should
-+>try to improve your quality of articles, rather than dumping on SCP.
-+>
-+>
-+>Best Regards,
-+>Shams Hasan.
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Please ignore
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 15 DEC 92 10:47:20    


Please ignore, just testing my signature.

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Disclaimer:
I express my views under the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution
of the United States of America. My employer is not responsible for any
damage or damages caused as a result of my writings. I use my employer's
facilities for a cost of putting extra two hours per week.

WORMA, the WORMS charmer and WORM Abater.

-- Virendra Verma
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@sol.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Rao on way out? Elections?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:07:43 GMT

From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)

>                             Rao did predictably what should be done.

From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)

>Narasimha Rao has lost his head.

I doubt that these are Rao's own actions. Seems like he has lost
the internal power game. Now the basic political dynamics relate
to timing of elections in BJP states and the centre. I suspect that
they will call elections in only one state at first (HP?) to test the
waters in a media-controlled manner. If BJP shows strength we enter a
murkier phase---a likely scenario (unless BJP boycotts, which I think
they wont) since the basic power balance has shifted little.
A possible, all-too-congress scenario is that
patsy congress governments will be set up by arresting BJP candidates
as RSS members, internal power struggle will be sorted out (ie, Rao
goes), some "achievement" will be drummed up, say a phony 300% rise
in foreign investment, elections will be called mid-term, Rao will
graciously retire from his "onerous task" to make way for young
leaders, accolades such as JN award, IG award, RG award and other
misc. junk will be heaped on Rao for his service
to the nation, ...

If Rao has not lost his fire, he will stick out
the full term at centre, conduct fair elections in BJP states and
press with his economic package, if only to assuage Manmohan Singh's
plaintive refrain.

In any case, I think that the next parliament will again be hung.
It remains to be seen what the BJP conjures up next to rally support.
Predictions, analyses anyone?

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Ayodhya & Babri Masjid - This is ridiculous!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.215135.26805@tcsi.com> swami@tcs.com (Venkates Swaminathan) writes:
>Have people gone completely crazy, fighting over a temple built on the
>supposed birthplace of a mythical God (don't tell me you believe Ram actually
>lived, along with his menagerie of weird and supernatural animal friends)?

We should all save this mail. When Hinduism gets really militant, we can all
pull out this mail, as proof of heresy. A death warrant won't be far away. :)

>Would you die for this stupid temple or mosque?  

People have died for less.

>Would you kill your best friend of the opposite religion?

What the hell is the opposite religion???

>Swami

Your kidding, right?? I couldn't resist. :)


Rakesh Patel
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid Demolished
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:55:52 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <of9Gcpu00iQC0djF5J@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>The destruction of the Masjid in Ayodhya seems to me to be
>one more nail in the coffin of a united India. Maybe I
>exaggerate, but it is a punctuation (a full stop) in history
>much like the destruction in Jerusalem by the Romans of the
>Jewish temple, or the destruction of Somnath by Mahmud of Ghazni:

Except those events happened many centuries ago, when destruction
following upon successful conquest was a common thing.  These days we
are inclined to see it as a barbaric act.

Being an atheist, I have stronger feelings on this issue than either
the Hindu or the Muslim side in the conflict: I maintain that a
historical monument (such as the 16C mosque, in this case) is of
infinite value, and its demolition causes an irrecoverable loss to all
of mankind.  This is far worse than hurting just one religious group.

>a major shift in direction of the course of a civilization
>(if we may be permitted to call ourselves that...)

We may, but I see no indication that the course of civilisation is
prepared to shift in any direction.  This is a bitter thing to realise.

>Sometimes I think that Joachim Martillo has a point. Nations vary
>from tribal aggregations to "a nation of laws". India is still far
>from achieving the second. :-(.

So is just about any other nation, though (which is where I differ
from J Martillo, who believes that Western nations are nations of law).

-- 
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