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Subject: Icom W2A in OZ?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:58:06 +1000

QU>I am currently nearing the end of my overseas assignment in
QU>the U.S.A. and will
QU>be returning to Australia soon. I am giving some thought to picking up an Ic
QU>W2A dual band HT here, before I return. The store I have been dealing with
QU>assures me that it can be re-programmed for OZ, but I just wanted to be sure
QU>if any one can advise. I'd also be interested in the OZ price.

QU>Peter Quodling
QU>Aussie in Murrica.

Hi Peter
The current list price of the W2A  from Icom Australia is $873 AUD. Most
retailers here offer a 5 to 10% discount for cash which is quite an
incentive when parting with copious amounts of money for the larger
rigs.

As for re-programming I don't know. Price as at 02/05/92. Which
city/town will you be re-locating to?

73's Andrew
VK3KIR

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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: WICEN again
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:10:27 GMT

dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>We want technical people in WICEN, and we want them NOW.  Aspersions have
>been cast on "Sydney WICEN", and I want to show them that not only is there
>a "Sydney WICEN" (a term I use with some affection), it consists of a group
>of technically-inclined people, providing advice & skills to the rest of
>the organisation.

>Who'll join me?

>Any fool can use a microphone - let's make it just as easy to use packet!

Easier ..

>Who's interested?

I'm interested .. I've got bucketloads of ideas about how it could be done,
too many to bother about typing up ..

so now what ?

Terry

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From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:12:31 GMT
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Aug18.034056.2351@fawlty.towers.oz.au>, steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:

>>> 3) The Beacon frequencies via the beacons themselves.

> but,.... perhaps other WIA Divs & clubs might interested in such broadcasts,
> if there is interest, then perhaps ask for an allocation for that exact
> purpose, grab a slab 144.500 to 144.600 call it Broadcast Beacons. I can see

Possible.  I have to check the current bandplan and see what is
there.  We also though of using the alternate VK1 beacon
frequency.  The attraction of the beacons is that it would take
very little extra to make them work on these modes.  All of the
VK1 beacons can be easily fed with audio, including the 1296Mhz
beacon!

> that running wide band data modes (3kHz) could be annoying to someone
> tuning their Rx front end to a narrow band beacon (ie 144.410)

Yes.  This is the only concrete objection to using the beacons
I've heard so far.  it is a valid point.  I wonder how many
people use the beacons for that purpose though?

Carl.

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From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: WIA new name ? was: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.211230.17085@runx.oz.au>
    richardm@runx.oz.au (Richard Murnane) writes:

>I wouldn't like to be accuse of arsin' around either :-) How about the
>"Australian National Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Service" -
>trouble is we'd all be accused of suffering from ANARECSia. :-)

I still reckon that the WICEN Fast Action Response Team is the way to go...

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From: richardm@runx.oz.au (Richard Murnane)
Subject: Re: WIA new name ? was: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:12:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.025624.1537@fawlty.towers.oz.au> steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:
>
>Ok you have dropped the 'Wireless' part of the name, now replace the
>'Institute' with Association or something else more suitable, leaving
>us with something like "Amateur Radio Association of Australia" (ARAA)
>And while we are here, how about WICEN ?   make it Amateur Radio Civil
>Emergency Network  (ARCEN) but easily pronounced as ARSON.
I wouldn't like to be accuse of arsin' around either :-) How about the
"Australian National Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Service" -
trouble is we'd all be accused of suffering from ANARECSia. :-)

73 de Richard VK2SKY

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From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:34:25 GMT

In article <gro.26@csc.canberra.edu.au>
    gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg) writes:

>What happens to those of us who use the becons for stations tests
>etc... ?

What about it?  FSK modulation is not going to change the envelope...

>Also the Syndey beacon 144.420 may be cloberred as a result of the 
>modulation of the ACT Beacon on 144.410. Most annoying for weak VHF work.

Again, what about it?  The Dural (Sydney) beacon uses FSK modulation, as
presumably does the Canberra beacon, for the compulsory ID every 30 seconds.

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From: ulrich@guelle.enet.dec.com (Gtz Ulrich)
Subject: Re: A broadcast service.
Reply-To: ulrich@guelle.enet.dec.com (Gtz Ulrich)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Frankfurt FRS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:01:50 GMT


Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:04:11 GMT

In article <gro.28@csc.canberra.edu.au>
    gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg) writes:

>Hang on, what about the production of sidebands ? I thought there
>was going to be some FM added ?

Ah - I must have missed that bit - I assumed it would be FSK.  Hmmm... the
deviation had better be pretty low...

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From: gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg)
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Organization: CSC - University of Canberra
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.103425.20092@ips.oz.au> dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>In article <gro.26@csc.canberra.edu.au>
>    gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg) writes:

>>What happens to those of us who use the becons for stations tests
>>etc... ?

>What about it?  FSK modulation is not going to change the envelope...

Hang on, what about the production of sidebands ? I thought there
was going to be some FM added ?

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From: ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:04:36 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

> with computers, rather than with radio, and I see the use of packet as more
> of a _very_ convenient modem, and one that will enable me to access the net
> (so that I can follow linux, as mentioned before).

  I understand DOTC has a commercial lic. called the Radio LAN class, which I
  intend to find out about. Meanwhile, anyone know about it? I'd like to try
  the idea of a radio-LAN out, but I'm beginning to think it might be either
  too expensive or too complex to consider, when the majority of users just
  want to use it as a super-convenient modem.

  Comments sought, I'll post whatever I find out from DOTC.

Dan.
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From: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Reply-To: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:40:56 GMT

In article <gro.26@csc.canberra.edu.au> gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg) writes:
>In article <1992Aug4.150551.276@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>
>>3) The Beacon frequencies via the beacons themselves.
>
>>Initially Doug and I were going to bring it up on 2m on a
>>frequency allocated for data transmission.  Phil came up with the
>>idea of using the beacons which both Doug and I think is a great
>>idea.  There are a number of technical considerations which could
>>make using the beacons difficult, however I would like to propose
>>a solution that combines options 1 and 3 above and provides 2
>>different transmitter locations making reception over a wider
>>area easier.
	I like the concept, 10 points for the thought, but...
>
>What happens to those of us who use the becons for stations tests
>etc... ?
>
>Also the Syndey beacon 144.420 may be cloberred as a result of the 
>modulation of the ACT Beacon on 144.410. Most annoying for weak VHF work.

but,.... perhaps other WIA Divs & clubs might interested in such broadcasts,
if there is interest, then perhaps ask for an allocation for that exact
purpose, grab a slab 144.500 to 144.600 call it Broadcast Beacons. I can see
that running wide band data modes (3kHz) could be annoying to someone
tuning their Rx front end to a narrow band beacon (ie 144.410)

de steve


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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:17:40 GMT

dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>>I diverse, take Dave's advise at getting a Amateur Radio License, by
>>the time you are up on air and into "packet radio" the regulations
>>MAY HAVE been relaxed to allow interconnection of Amateur Radio Networks
>>with AARNET or INTERNET or similiar, in which case you would only need to
>>login to your local packet radio BBS/server and call up newsgroups, such as
>>this or what ever maybe permitted.

>And if Telecom (whatever the name is this week) won't allow it, Optus might...

The only restriction that Austel is likely to put in place is the one that
used to be in place, and that is connection of amateru equipment to
the P.S.T.N., besides dave, if you were running tcp/ip@4800 you'd know
fully well why that isn't stopping us already.

Terry

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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: WIA new name ? was: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:05:38 GMT

steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:

>>[ Hmmm... the letter writers in "AR" are right - would would associate
>>  "Wireless Institute of Australia" with Amateur radio?  How about "Amateur
>>  Radio Institute of Australia" (ARIA)? ]
>>
>Ok you have dropped the 'Wireless' part of the name, now replace the
>'Institute' with Association or something else more suitable, leaving
>us with something like "Amateur Radio Association of Australia" (ARAA)
>And while we are here, how about WICEN ?   make it Amateur Radio Civil
>Emergency Network  (ARCEN) but easily pronounced as ARSON.

I'd guess that the chances of a name change are about as good as nil,
I don't think the W.I.A. could survive if it lost any of its proud
history .. its name probably being the only single common factor in
its history .. If WICEN wants to attract non-institute members, and
if it is indeed autonomous, then it could benefit from a name change,
dropping any implied association with the 'Institute' ..

Terry


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From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:15:57 GMT

In article <18290.2a8d07ec@levels.unisa.edu.au>
    ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

>  I understand DOTC has a commercial lic. called the Radio LAN class, which I
>  intend to find out about. Meanwhile, anyone know about it? I'd like to try
>  the idea of a radio-LAN out, but I'm beginning to think it might be either
>  too expensive or too complex to consider, when the majority of users just
>  want to use it as a super-convenient modem.

Got a few hundred/thousand to spare?  Some of those commercial licences are
VERY expensive...

>  Comments sought, I'll post whatever I find out from DOTC.

Have a look at the Licence Fee brochure as well - you'll shudder!  Amateurs
(oh, all right, CB'ers as well :-) are very lucky.

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From: e3grwill@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au (Grant Willis)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: Rose version 3.0 available in Aust.
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:54:40 GMT
Organization: Adelaide Uni

Rose version 3.0 is now available in Australia. This version supports
transparent transport of the AX.25 protocol ID field so it is possible
to route TCP/IP, NETROM etc protocols via a Rose X.25 link.

There is also a program available that will automatically maintain Rose
networks. It can be setup to go around and check each switch in turn for
their applications and load up any missing ones. It is a bit limited
however. If I get time I might write a more versatile one with VK conditions
in mind.

Both these programs are currently on:

  grivel.une.edu.au : [129.180.4.7]

in the /pub/ham/incoming directory  (or is it the /pub/ham/packet/incoming,
I cant remember where I put it last night!).

The filenames are:

rzsw30.zip  -- the v3.0 Rose Code
rzd087a.zip -- the automatic Switch manager code

Cheers de Grant VK5ZWI
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From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:35:56 GMT
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Aug12.035205.25012@ips.oz.au>, dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>>Ok. Like the original poster, I know next to nothing about packet radio.
>>However, I am wondering what the possibility of using it to get access to the
>>internet would be, once I leave Uni. As far as I can see, when I lose access

> It's certainly possible, and it may provide you with the inspiration you
> need to become a radio amateur :-)  However, there are things which are
> inappropriate for Amateur radio (the usual: politics, religion, sex etc).

There are other problems as well, such as how the connection
works (IP routing etc) and legalities regarding the connections. 
Currently there is access available but it's not suitable for
news reading/posting.
 
>>As a final question, I understand that most people posting to this group would
>>be using packet radio to do so. If this is being done, surely it's possible for

Actually nobody posting to this group is using Packet Radio, yet. 
There are plans to make this newsgroup available but not not via
direct internet access, rather via news hosts that are on amateur
radio and have a specific path back to the internet.

> [ Hmmm... the letter writers in "AR" are right - would would associate
>   "Wireless Institute of Australia" with Amateur radio?  How about "Amateur
>   Radio Institute of Australia" (ARIA)? ]

ARIA is the registered name of the Australian Recording Industry
Association.

Carl.

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From: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Reply-To: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:19:43 GMT

>In article <1992Aug11.165546.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
>    smackinla@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>
>As a final question, I understand that most people posting to this group would
>be using packet radio to do so. If this is being done, surely it's possible for
>a newcomer to join in? I do realise that I have to get some sort of radio
>liscence, and I am perfectly prepared to go through with this. Anyone got any
>idea what the rules for this are in WA?
>
Using packet radio ? thats a loose term, do you mean as a Amateur Radio
operator using "packet" communications methods , or a commercial radio network
using "packet" or a CB operator using "packet" ?  If you were a Amateur Radio
Operator, using packet radio to access this newsgroup, you
wouldnt want to tell anybody. If you were a CB operator, you wouldnt mention
packet at all! eventhough CBers are blatantly running an illegal packet radio
network, but whats new! reminds me of some jokes:
whats the difference betw a pirate & a CBer ?    nothing!
whats the difference betw a brick & a CBer ?   nothing!

I diverse, take Dave's advise at getting a Amateur Radio License, by
the time you are up on air and into "packet radio" the regulations
MAY HAVE been relaxed to allow interconnection of Amateur Radio Networks
with AARNET or INTERNET or similiar, in which case you would only need to
login to your local packet radio BBS/server and call up newsgroups, such as
this or what ever maybe permitted.

steve



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From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Access to internet via radio?
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.031943.1813@fawlty.towers.oz.au>
    steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:

>even though CBers are blatantly running an illegal packet radio network

What's more - there's probably more of them than there are of us...

>whats the difference betw a pirate & a CBer ?    nothing!
>whats the difference betw a brick & a CBer ?   nothing!

Aww... don't be too hard Steve - we are we going to find new recruits?
And this is probably not a good time to mention I still have NAA942...
The only reason I still keep it is that it is one of the first 1,000 - sort
of like a two-letter call, that are so much in demand amongst Amateurs (I
have no idea why).

>I diverse, take Dave's advise at getting a Amateur Radio License, by
>the time you are up on air and into "packet radio" the regulations
>MAY HAVE been relaxed to allow interconnection of Amateur Radio Networks
>with AARNET or INTERNET or similiar, in which case you would only need to
>login to your local packet radio BBS/server and call up newsgroups, such as
>this or what ever maybe permitted.

And if Telecom (whatever the name is this week) won't allow it, Optus might...

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From: gro@csc.canberra.edu.au (Geoff Rozenberg)
Subject: Re: Proposal to ACT WIA Div re Broadcast Service.
Organization: CSC - University of Canberra
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.125500.280@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:

>Do these station tests require a FSK modulated CW signal?  The
>signal will still be there, it's just that it will have a FM
>audio component.  That may cause some problems for the SSB crowd
>but noone has given any definitive reasons why we can't do it. 
>I'd welcome any reasoned arguments.

I dont have any objections , merely playing devils advocate, the SSB
crowd will dislike it on principle, not for any valid reasons. They
wont be very vocal either until its done.

>> Also the Syndey beacon 144.420 may be cloberred as a result of the 
>> modulation of the ACT Beacon on 144.410. Most annoying for weak VHF work.

>Unlikely unless you are quite close (location wise) to the VK1
>beacon.

True.

>What alternative would you propose?

No , I like the beacon idea. They serve little else for most of the
Amateur community, I suggest that you develop arguments for the
bandwidth and interference possibilties. As this would expedite
things... :)
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