From: skillian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Seth James Killian)
Subject: Re: Bison is King
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:15:35 GMT

robrod@csa.bu.edu writes:


>I have come to the conclusion that Bison is definately the best
>character in SF2 CE.  I never played him because he always seemed
>so cheesy and cheap to me, however, I recently decided to give him a try
>just to find out how it is.

>I first played him vs the computer to learn the basics.  I finished the
>game without loosing a round on my third attempt.  I couldn't beleive
>how cheesy this character was and how easy is to win with him.  I
>decided to go to the arcade that has the most competition around here.

>I started with all the tactics at my disposal (i.e. flaming torpedo,
>scissor kicks, head stomps, etc).  I defeated everyone quite easily.
>The funny thing is I never did anything complicated, I just charged and
>torpedoed or scissor kicked at appropriate moments, stomped, etc.  Very
>simple procedures.  My opponents, however, were all desperate doing DP,
>trying combos, trying to buffer SPDs, complicated stuff.

     Well I think there is a simple explanation for your conclusions...
     namely your arcade is chock full o' scrubs.  While I won't say that 
     Bison is completely w/out merit,  he is certainly no match for a 
     master (my definition is miles apart from yours) Zangief.  Guile, 
     Ken and Ryu are also more than a match for all but the most evil 
     Bison's.  It is concievable that you were able to win a few using 
     Bison's bag of tricks (since it sounds like no one there plays Bison
     regularly) but when you say you were able to win w/out the torpedo
     and with only limited scissor kicking, you have proved beyond a shado
     w of a doubt that A:
	The "masters" at this "challenging arcade" were so surprised by a 
     decent Bison that they did not know how to counter his attacks or were
     in some sort of shock.
     B) The "masters" aren't masters at all, merely the best you happen to
     have around (they SUCK!).

>Anyway, it was too easy so I decided to stop doing the flaming torpedo.
>I still won easily (although not as easily as before).  I stoped doing
>the scissor kicks, I still won consistently.  I stoped doing the head
>stomps, and I still won.

>It was so funny because every so often a good opponent would land a big
>combo and leave me with very little energy, only to see me come back and
>win the round.  The true masters could beat me if I didn't use the
>scissor kicks, but even without them I had a fair chance.

>I then learned that if Bison hits once, he hits twice.  Any hit Bison

>does can be followed, Always.  I also learned very good combos, from
     Wrongo! How about Bison's roundhouse kick, his fierce or strong punches
     or the head stomp to name a few off the top of my head (im sure there
     are others))  .  There is also no combo that I've ever heard of or 
     seen which dazes someone when they are blocking (excluding a throw, 
     which I do not consider a "combo" in and of itself)
>which the 7 hit combo, (although it doesn't always works, when it does,
>it re-dazes) is the deadliest.  It is followed by another combo that
>only hits 2 times and another 5 hits are blocked, but it dazes.  Yes,
>this combo dazes you after you BLOCK.

>I finally learned that no air-attack can hit Bison, with the exception
>of one of Blanka's attacks.
     Once again, I think you are simply very confused or are playing a   
     different game.  Bison doesn't even have any sort of uppercut (although
     I know the crouching fierce or the torpedo work occasionaly) and air attack     do hit him.  Incidentally, if your talking about a non-hitting air attack
     let's talk about Bison himself.  Every character has a relatively simple
     way of dealing with Bison out of the air.  He simply has too much hang 
     time.  While in the air, Bison has better priority than most, but as  
     always, beating him in the air is just a matter of timing.
>So because almost no air attacks are successfull, and because he can
>re-daze or daze without even hitting, and because of his cheesy/cheap
>nature, a good Bison player that uses all the resorces at his disposal
>(by this I mean not worrying about being cheap or cheesy or hated), will
>beat anyone at any level of expertiese.


>I hate Bison thou, he is so cheap.  I only used him to find out what his
>potential was.  I wanted to learn all I could about him to satisfy my
>curiousity and to be able to talk about him knowing what I'm talking
>about (so if you haven't tried to use him, please don't bother
>responding).  Now that I know what he is capable of I will not play him
>again.

>Finally, I just want to say that I was playing Bison at a very high
>level, and yet, no skill was required.  Maybe a little practice to get
>the combos efficiently, but no skill what-so-ever.  This is another
>reason I will not play him again.

     Seth Killian

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