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From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: A question & a comment
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:45:11 GMT

aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:



>A detachable keyboard is GREAT, but does the AVERAGE Atari user really need it?

>How often do you need they keyboard to play games?

>How often do musicians need the keyboard to play music?

>Or artists to draw art?

Jeez I wonder why we don't just drop the keyboard and have one of those Atari
analog joysticks instead! That'll make the machine cheaper.


>For us serious users, Atari will give us the Falcon 040.

And we'll give Atari LOTS of money...


>And I bet you that it will make the Falcon 030 look like a toy.

>It will probably be in a PC-style case with higher graphics resolutions,

Why is everybody suddenly so charmed of the word `PC-style'? Shiver, shiver.
Why not use `detachable-keyboard'. After all it doesn't have to be something
under your monitor. Towers or Indigos are better examples to my taste.

>and a higher-end DSP chip.  It will probably give us enough expansion slots
>to calm us for another 5-6 years.

I'm sure you'll get bored with the 040 within the next 3 years.


>>
>>     
>>

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> 
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Mathematics/Comp. Sc.        avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       +31 70 3325445 (weekdays)
Atari ST/Music          A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl  +31 70 3464732 (evenings)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Time & Date uploaded to a.a
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 17 Oct 1992 04:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Okay, a mega-useful (well...) program has just been uploaded to 
atari.archive.umich.edu

Filename: TDSS_1_2.LZH
Archived with Questers LHarc version 2.01L (Lh5)

This program performs the usual routine of setting the system's date
and time - BUT - with a difference, most programs require being set
EVERY time you use the machine, so that the date is (for example with TOS
1.2 ROM's) 1992, and not 1987!!  This program however, saves the time
and date that you enter into it - and so, when you boot up in future, if
you don't have time, or can't be bothered to set it, the time will only
be as out-of-date as when you last set it!!  So, all your file dates will be
more up-to-date!!
 
Also, it will only ask you to set the time & date if CONTROL is pressed
whilst it is booting!  So, if you don't need or want to set it - it doesn't
lock up the machines booting routine if it's in the AUTO folder! (Which is
where it should be!)
 
It's only 7k, and doesn't install anything into RAM, merely sets the
time & date, then disappears!!
 
I'm surprised no-one has thought of this before (no-one has that I've seen,
or more accurately, I've never seen any programs that do it).
 
It's currently in the 'New' directory, but will probably be moved to
'Utilities' shortly!
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 13:52:51 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: HSC

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 7-Oct-92 Re: Which programming
langu.. Domenico De Vitto@unix.b (454)

> Probebly a BASIC, but I'd say that when that is mastered move on to a 'c'
> compiler and then anything you can't do in one can be done in the other.

> I'd recommend gfa basic or fast basic (fastbasic has a in-built assembler, but
> gfa is quicker/nicer). - both are about 35 pounds.

> You can pick up sozobon C at 'a.a' and I've found it pretty good.
> (go for sozo133i first then when you feel the need upgrade to sozobon2, as the
> first auto-installs etc)

> Dom


By the way: what about version 1.40 promised for 'very soon' some
time ago ?
I began to write a small filter that catches the potential problems
with ident size (7 letters) and maps those clashing ids to something 
else (preferably very close, for ease of reading). As I heard that 1.4 was due
very soon, I stopped it, but maybe should I get on it again (first find it)

So what's up with the new version ?
Has our dear Ian given up Atari St ? or Sozobon ?

	Stefan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Chaos on atari.archive!
From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:02:02 MST
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article 29720@email.tuwien.ac.at, nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos) writes:
> mwtilden@math.uwaterloo.ca (Mark W. Tilden) writes:
> : In article <1992Oct12.122024.15321@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (`Grave' Dave Gymer) writes:
> : >the files are still in New/chaos.arc, New/chaos1.msa, and
> : >New/chaos2.msa.  Of course, Jeff Weiner may have moved them into
> : >Games!
> : 
> : Got 'em.  But what the hells an 'msa'.  What do I use to unpack them?
> : 
> : Is all.
> 
> You need the MSA program (Magic Shadow Archiver) which is lying around
> somewhere on atari.archive.umich.edu, perhaps in the directory Archivers...
> 
> M.Yannikos

I got msa_141.lzh (I think) from the Archivers directory, but I can't get it
to work...could it just not work on a TT?

-Paul Harris
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu




Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: andi@gmd.de (Andreas Rohrschneider)
Subject: TOS 2.06 & OXYD2 -> problems !?
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st, comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:24:06 GMT


Hi, netters!


After upgrading my old 520 ST+ to 4MB and TOS 2.06 and supplying it with a 
hardware clock, I discovered the following problem with OXYD2: 

When the menu shows up, there is a section in the lowest part of the screen
where you can see some graphic symbols black on white overlaying the menu. When
you start the game, this 'symbol-panel' starts flickering with every movement of
graphic on the screen. 
The game still works, but it's not much fun guessing what's happening below
this 'panel'. The same happens with OXYD and SPACOLA, so the problem seems to be
originated in this special kind of software.
Assuming a hardware fault, I went to my local dealer, who had done the upgrade.
He checked everything twice and didn't find any defects. I guess it has 
something to do with the new TOS.

So I decided to post this query to the net. Maybe some of you had similar
problems with this software and know a solution.



Thanx in advance,

Andreas Rohrschneider.



P.S.: STADT, a painting program from Application Systems Heidelberg also doesn't
      run anymore. I only get a messed-up screen and some bombs. Any 
      suggestions ?


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GMD - I5.SKS
German National Research Center for Computer Science
Schloss Birlinghoven             		    phone: (+49 2241) 14-2242
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From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Summary of "which programming language"
Date: 10 Oct 1992 10:14:06 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>For beginners, a "BASIC" sounds like the best choice. The most popular was
>GFA basic v3.5. This is supposed to be easy to learn and use.
>
>After some thought and a look at some adverts, I think I will go for Hisoft
>Basic 2, which is 'easy to learn' and says it's Falcon compatible (I *am*
>going to get a Falcon as soon as possible!). 
>
>If anything I have said is wrong, feel free to correct me! I am only going by
>what I have been told.
>
>Phil
>(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

I do think you are making a very big mistake in going into Hisoft Basic 2 it
is not a world standard like GFA and there will be very little support for it,
as for one thing Hisoft don't support there users, and I should know,
 I wrote to them about Bugs and Admissions in Hisoft Knife ST, there reply was
get lost we don't wish to know..

Also there was/is more world wide support for GFA than the Hisoft products,
also the speed of GFA has to be seen to be believed, its faster than compiled
C...??


Roger.........            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ken@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Ken Sallenger)
Subject: Re: Unix Windows on a Sun 4
Reply-To: ken@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:31:29 GMT

In <k+qzx3d@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli) writes:

=>   Hi.  I was wondering if anyone has gotten the server end of UW to compile
=>and run on a Sun 4 machine.  We used to have Sun 3's at RPI but now we have
=>all AIX RISCs and Sun 4 machines, and I haven't been able to use it since.

I had some glitches under both SunOS and BSD 4.3, although it compiled fine
under SunOS 4.0.3.

I found an updated server, along with the Mac UW, at emx.utexas.edu,
in the directory /pub/mnt/source/mac/uw-4.2.

This has been working very well for me.

			Ken
-- 
       Ken Sallenger / ken@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu / 803 777-9335
     Computer Services Division / Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Refresh Rates
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:51:59 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> 
> >annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
> >> can easily see the difference if you focus on something (or 
> >> somewhere) slightly above your monitor. You will see that it 
> >> flickers a lot. (But that's already a lot better on 60Hz.)
> 
> >wrong. TVs operate at 60Hz period. what makes them flicker is that
> >they're interlaced to effectively double the vertical resolution.
> 
> But the flicker I was talking about is easily seen with an all 
> white COMPUTER generated picture.

how the image is generated has little to do with how it's displayed.
the display is still 60Hz (or 50Hz if you're not on my side of the pond)
*interlaced* which works out to 30 or 25 frames per second, half of the
generally acceptable 60Hz.

> >a -full- frame is only drawn on a TV every 30th of a second. half
> >frames (even/odd scan lines) are drawn at 60Hz. scan doublers
> >-also- work at 60Hz, but buffer the previous half frame and draw
> >the whole thing in one 1/60 second sweep instead of 2. this is
> >also the method 'flicker-fixers' on the Amiga use.
> 
> Isn't what you say a particular phenomenon of NTSC? Anyway, there 
> are definitely TVs with 100Hz refresh rate.

not that i know of. at least i know when i put my Amiga into PAL
mode it's just as interlaced as NTSC. there may be TVs with 100Hz
refresh rates, but it doesn't help any, since they're only still
only getting video information at 30 or 25 Hz. it's basically
just showing the same frame on 4 consecutive times.

> >is PAL standard. if i remember correctly, flourescent lights also
> >operate at 60Hz without noticable flicker. it isn't until they get 
> >old and start 'misfiring' that you notice the flicker.
> 
> Fluo lights and light bulbs are a different story because they 
> consist of just one `pixel'.

doesn't matter. the eye has a limited reaction time. anything faster
than that time is imperceptible. 60Hz is just over the threshhold.
sure, you can go more than that, but i'd rather use the extra
bandwidth and money required to get it for more colours and resolution.

jason

--
 "Why was I cursed with a woman like you? You're my misery! A knife in my 
  heart! Come on, we can discuss this later. Let's just get married."
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From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Sending file from CIS -> InterNet
Reply-To: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:07:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.083146.8035@ac.dal.ca>, cordes@ac.dal.ca (John
Cordes) writes:
|> 
|>  I'm wondering if someone on CompuServe can send a file to an
InterNet
|> address? Anybody know? 
|> 
|>  The file would likely be a uuencoding of a binary; if a file _can_
be
|> sent, would there be restrictions on the file size? Thanks in advance
for
|> any info. 


Last I knew, there was a mail gateway between CIS <--> InterNet, but
there
were restrictions on size, and (sigh) text only.  As a CIS subscriber, I
could
follow up if there is interest.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: Falcon in Holland
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:10:15 GMT

hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:


>Well, since you live in Australia, I guess you can't help it... ;-)
>(OK, this is noise, I know.. just couldn't resist...)

>Hendrik "I love my vacuum-cleaner too" Jan

I sometimes call my SH204 the `vacuum cleaner'... :) And as long as your REAL
brain is OK you don't really need more than a 20 Meg Seagate and 500K cache
memory.

-- 
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Mathematics/Comp. Sc.        avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       +31 70 3325445 (weekdays)
Atari ST/Music          A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl  +31 70 3464732 (evenings)
_____________My opinions are my opinions____________  +31 5700 29396 (weekends)
From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:44:25 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <memo.675924@cix.compulink.co.uk> kjackson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Jackson) writes:


>In article <4353@wet.UUCP>, ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>>
>>So, anyone in the UK want to tell us if the Falcons are shipping?  Glen,
>>you and I still can't buy one -- unless you want to order it from overseas.

>There haven't been any advertisements or announcements as of 10th October.

>Keith
>      **********************************************************
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WRONG. Evenlode have advertised Falcons in the current Sound-on-Sound
magazine.  I haven't checked whether they've actually got them in stock,
though...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: I guess no one knows how to program a desk accessory?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:10:11 GMT

In article <1b9qkgINNm89@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (George II Lenzer) writes:
>
>	I need info on programming DA's.  What language should I
>use to do it with?  Do I need a developer's  package?  Can it be
>done relatively easy (as my experience is limited to programming
>with GUI's.)  Please respond if you know anything.

I know that OSS Personal Pascal, Prospero FORTAN, and Megamax Laser C all allow
writing desk accessories.  A developer's package is not needed.  A normal GEM
program can be converted to an accessory with the addition of a couple of calls
to (a) set aside memory for the ACC and (b) put the ACC name into the desktop
menu.  That is the recommended way to develop an ACC; do it as a GEM .PRG first.
I have also seen programs that can run as either a standalone .PRG or an .ACC by
simply renaming the file; a .PRG must bypass the calls mentioned above.
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: GIF viewers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.095909.162192@zeus.calpoly.edu> rfritz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ryan E. Fritz) writes:
>
>Are there any good GIF viewers?  I have been converting GIFs to SPC format
>for quite some time, but would like to be able to view GIF files without
>having to convert them first.  Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome!
>Thanks.

   If what you want to do is look at a GIF before you convert it, I
would suggest using Fastgif.prg (atari.archive /graphics/fastgif.lzh)
to look at the GIFs.  Fastgif allows you to view the gif within 10
seconds, and the conversion is decent.  When I download GIFs I always
view them first with Fastgif then convert them with DMJ.
   I would suggest actually converting the GIFs if you want to view
them again (if you have a vanilla ST/STE without colorboard) because
SPCs take up much less room and are quicker to view and better quality
than using something like GEMView.
   GEMView seems more useful to those with colorboards or TTs or
Falcons.

   Of Course, the ultimate in ST/STE picture conversions right now is
PhotoChrome, but that's a little more work.

--
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From: award@farside.auspex.com (Andrew Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Toshiba T12100 & Dos 5
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:00:47 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM


Does Toshiba market a DOS 5 for the T1200H?

Can I use a regular dos 5 on a 1200H

what can I do to get a RAM disk or extended memory access with
the Toshiba?


-Andrew
Xref: sparky comp.sys.laptops:3908 comp.misc:3960 misc.forsale.computers:36697
From: hormone@elaine13.Stanford.EDU (Richard Kahn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.misc,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Sharp Wizard 128K Personal Organizer
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:35:10 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University


Sharp Wizard 128K model 8200 personal organizer for sale
Currently selling at Price Club for $300 (lowest cost source in area)

$150 inc new batteries

email hormone@leland.stanford.edu or 415-855-9510
From: daumer@math.rutgers.edu (Martin Daumer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Notebook wanted
Keywords: 386/2-4MB/40-MB HDD/20-MHz
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:59:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hello,

I would like to buy a notebook with :

386, 20MHz or more
20 MHz or more
40 MB HDD or more
2 MB RAM or more

If possible with internal FAX/MODEM

I wouldn't mind buying a used ones. Please drop me a note.

Martin Daumer, Rutgers University, Dept. of Math, 908-932-3726
daumer@math.rutgers.edu

Thanks,  Martin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Subject: Re: Borland C++ on T1000xe??
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:28:42 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.174926.24985@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, ralford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
> Will Borland C++ run at all on a T1000xe if it has a 2 meg RAM card 
> installed?  At some point in the installation, it said it needs 1 M of 
> *extended* memory to run.  Does it really require *extended* memory?  If 
> so, of course, it won't run on any machine that has an 8086 or 8088, as 
> does the T1000xe.  My T1000xe only has 1M of memory at the moment, but I'd 
> add the extra RAM card if it would allow Borland C++ to run.   
> 
> This is the Borland C++ that is all-inclusive--Windows and DOS, built-in 
> environment or Windows environment, etc., etc.  Of course, I don't expect 
> the Windows or 386-specific bits to run on the T1000xe, but would like to 
> be able to run the compiler and Borland editor/environment.
> 
> Comments based on experience will be very welcome.

I do not know if Borland C++ will run, but Turbo C++ (the lightweight
version without Windows support, application framework, etc) runs just
fine on my T1000XE with 2 meg RAM card.  You get the integrated
environment with editor, compiler, and their simple source-level
debugger (the full debugger is part of Borland C++).

I have 2nd Edition, but I don't think the 3rd Edition of Turbo C++
would be much different.  It goes for only $60-$70, so as a way to
just hack programs on the go it might be a good thing to get in
addition to Borland C++.  You could then run BC++ on a desktop
machine when you need the whole ball of wax.

--
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:45:59 GMT

In <Z1cesB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> h3kwa@student.business.uwo.ca (Harry Kwa) writes:

>An IBM 486 based notebook will become available on 23 October.  The 
>"Thinkpad" will come in color and non-color display versions for about 
>CDN$4,900 and CDN$3,300.

>Has anybody heard anything about the system specs?

>h3kwa@student.business.uwo.ca (Harry Kwa)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Yes, read last week's InfoWorld.
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From: maretz@saturn.osf.org ( Maretz)
Subject: looking for 486 laptop
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:17:35 GMT

I'm looking for a 486 laptop.  I assume that such a thing exists, but I'm
not even 100% sure of this.  If anyone knows of a place or places which
sell 486 laptops, please let me know.  If you know any spec's (features,
prices, etc.), that information would obviously be appreciated as well,
though even just names of vendors would be a start for me.

Thanks,

Andy Maretz
maretz@osf.org
From: rohrs@handel.helios.nd.edu (peter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Battery for Grid 1810 Laptop
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:21:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

I am looking for a replacement battery for my Grid 1810 Laptop Computer.  If anyone has one they might sell or know where I can buy one will you please contact me at peter@trc.tellabs.com.  Please do not reply to the posting account, as I am borrowing my friends account.  Thanks in advance.
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