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From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: ** THE FUTURE OF SCANNING? **
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:43:33 GMT


With all the talk lately about privacy in the cellular and cordless
phone bands, I got to thinking about the future of the "scanning" hobby.

What will it be like in 5 or 10 years?  No doubt digitally encrypted
cordless and cellular phones will be common place.  What about the
legal activity (at least legal where I live) of monitoring the
police, sheriff and fire departments?  This is where I do 90% of
my listening.  Will we see digital encryption and/or spread-spectrum
technology here?  I don't doubt it!

Receiving and decoding digitally encoded or spread-spectrum signals
will probably be illegal.  Receivers that can monitor such signals
will also be illegal.  While skilled RF and software engineers
could build receivers to crack the code, such knowledge is beyond
the reach of the average scanner enthusiast.

In the near term, will most services not at least become trunked?

Is scanning a dying hobby?

Guess I'll be going back to shortwave listening when all this comes
about.  Maybe I'll start my own clandestine radio station just to keep
things interesting.  ;-)

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,misc.legal
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Best of Transmissions......
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:40:34 GMT

Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith) writes:
: A YEAR in jail for the first offense?  I take it that this means it's a
: felony to listen to a cordless phone call?  Yikes.  I'm finding my good
: old State of California to be much less enlightened than I'd thought.

You should have realized that when they started banning gerbils.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: To tattle, or not to tattle
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:08:46 GMT

In <1992Nov8.210350.7696@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:

>If someone ever does report something they heard on a cellular, I hope
>they are punished and sued. Will show how obsurd it is to have laws
>saying you can't listen to a certain frequency. 

The guy listening or the guy doing the crime?

>One more point. What
>if you heard the cellular on 400 MHz instead of 800?

My cheapy Uniden 70xlt gets 800 MHz cellular (divided by 2) when I
am less than 1 mile from the cellular tower!

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
From: randall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Michael Randall)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: ** THE FUTURE OF SCANNING? **
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:24:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Nov10.215857.28142@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer) writes:
> [some deleted]
> 	I wonder if the folks at FCC.GOV read alt.radio.scanner :-) :-)
> 	FYI:
> 		 FCC     NS    server = VAXCI.FCC.GOV                 
> 		 FCC     NS    server = AMD.FCC.GOV                   
> 
> >Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com
> 
> 				Rick Spanbauer, SUNY/Stony Brook

Yes, the FCC and the NSA are both making their lists, and checking them
twice. Expect a call or a knock on the door, or to have your phone tapped
within the week :-)  :^)  
-- 
  Michael W. Randall           | What does a snail say when it rides on the
  randall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com | back of a turtle? "Wheeee!"
   ...!uunet!bcstec!randall    | --Taken from someone on The Comedy Channel
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Whats between there?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:00:25 GMT

In <8598@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> chow@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Elvin Chou) writes:

>Now I was wondering how to refer to the poster when going to the government
>bookstore.  Does anybody know of a title, or catalog number or something
>that I can identify this particular product.  Thanks.

I called the Government Bookstore here in Milwaukee.  They said it's
called "U.S. Frequency Allocation: Radio Spectrum".  Of course, it's
not in stock.  However, they said to send just $3.25 to the store in
Milwaukee.  They would then order it and ship it to me at no extra
charge!  Not bad for $3.25.  Finally...my tax dollars at work!

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: How to go mobile in New York
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:32:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov6.232333.17420@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

>>In <Bx8BtH.G71@eis.calstate.edu> jherndo@eis.calstate.edu (John Herndon) writes:

>>>How about PRESS.  They should probably be able to carry scanners in their
>>>cars.  TO chase down that news story.
>>You may think they should be but in New York it is not enough just to be
>>press.  You have to have press credentials from the police.  

>>Easier and better just to become a licensed ham, I'd say.

>Just what is the law in New York state with respect to hams having
>scanners in the car, anyways?


It sounds to me as though someone should write a FAQ on this, since it
comes up every couple of months or so...

I guess you did not see my article in QST about this a couple of months
ago ...

Anyway, the New York state law forbidding the use of scanners in cars
has an exception for licensed hams.

But New York City has its own law, with no such exception.


Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY  10112-0228
voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519
From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Vtech 900dx Cordless Freqs.
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:34:21 GMT

In article <BxIu0o.76v@eis.calstate.edu>, jherndo@eis.calstate.edu (John Herndon) writes:
> If you dont already know.. this cordless phone uses the 900Mhz range for
> transmit/receive on base/handset communications.  The frequency range is
> as follows:
> 
> Transmit Frequencies:
> 
> 	Handset 925.5 - 927.4 Mhz
> 	Base	905.6 - 907.5 Mhz  (All 20 Channels Found In This Range)
> 
> Receive Frequencies:
> 
> 	Handset 905.6 - 907.5 Mhz
> 	Base	925.5 - 927.4 Mhz  (All 20 Channels ")
> 
> 
> So, here is the basis of the new possible cordless frontier. 900 Mhz.
> 
> 	==] John Herndon / JHerndo@eis.calstate.edu [==





Unless you build a D/A interface with the shift register algorhythm, you won't
be able to monitor the VTech Tropez 900dx. It uses spread spectrum direct
sequence scambling. 

I guess it's possible to buy another 900dx and monitor with it, if you happen
to be on the same channel as the person you are monitoring. I'd like to reverse 
engineer it and build my own descrambler. Find out the shift register
algorhythms, better yet, see if you can order the service manual.

Guy
Urbina@novax.llnl.gov

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: petey@selway.umt.edu (Peter G Efroymson)
Subject: Re: ** THE FUTURE OF SCANNING? **
Summary: i got some news on the future folks....
Organization: University of Montana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:36:06 GMT

I attended an apco conference in Montana. APCO, for those of you who don't know is one of a few organisations that does frequency coordination for,
in this case, law enforcement.
One of the seminars was about the future of land mobile communication
The current status is thus....
by 2008 all Imean ALL public safety users will be requiered to swirch to, 
or should I say from a presently analog system, to a digital system. What you 
hear now as voice shall be changed to data bits of 1's and 0's.
Also, all fed stations will have to be digital capable and backward compatable
by 1996.
And to nail the coffin shut...
ALL public Safety band allocations will be altered to a narrow band 
configuration, that means that if you as a radio user use 5mhz of band 
space you will be re- configured to only use 2.5mhz
Now for all you doubting Tommys...Motorola has backward compatable digital
sytems for sale now.
Oh and one final thing......it is comming because when the change does come 
in 2008, all present analog equipment will lose thier type accectance(for 
you out ther not familar with this rulethe FCC has certain performence
spces) that means that even if you got it..you won't be able to 
use it!

I will probibly get flamed for this....but go ask any fed radio tech...they 
should confim these statements
Ihope that the scanner manufactures are up on this...
petey the firefighter


Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: New BC200XLT Mod, anybody tried it yet?
    <1992Nov13.170143.6316@mixcom.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:36:03 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:

>In <1992Nov12.160600.7338@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:

>>I have one of the newer BC200XLT scanners that use the "surface mount"
>>resistor instead of the "normal" type.
>>I have a copy of the mod, and have taken apart the radio and found the
>>resistor and IC involved.
>>In one of Bob Parnass' articles, (i believe) he mentions that one must
>>"not solder in anyway" these "surface mount" electronics.
>>My question is, has anyone tried the mod on the "newer" BC200XLT scanner?
>>I have a brand new radio and don't want to ruin it.

>My 200xlt has the surface-mount resistors.  I had no trouble performing
>the mod.  Just use a very sharp pair of miniature wire cutters. (I have
>an Xcelite model 84CG.)  Just cut that little bugger in half straight
>through the middle!  Using a small brush, remove any residue.  I had
>no problem with the surrounding pads or printed circuit board traces
>comming loose.  (Your mileage may vary! ;-)  Note the resistor I am
>talking about does not have stripes but a numeric label of "103".
>Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

 I thought the "new" bc200xlt (with surface-mount resistors) require a
 resistor to be added rather than one cut....?

>        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
>                          -- Microware
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler)
Subject: Re: To tattle, or not to tattle
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:48:52 GMT

>From article <1992Nov10.082413.22409@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, by billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson):
>> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes:
>> 
>> : What if they were running a crack house, molesting little kids
>> : or ripping your other neighbors off?  You would be as low
>> : as the people doing the deed if you didn't even anonomusly
>> : help (at the least).  
>> 
>> If they were molesting people, or robbing people - then certainly.
>> They are then harming other people. They are not doing so by running
>> a crack house.
>> 
     Really?  I saw your daughter's school bus driver buying crack last 
     night.


-- 
 Tim Tyler      Internet: tim@ais.org  MCI Mail: 442-5735 
P.O. Box 443    C$erve: 72571,1005  DDN: Tyler@Dockmaster.ncsc.mil
Ypsilanti MI    Packet: KA8VIR @KA8UNZ.#SEMI.MI.USA.NA
48197
From: ajg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (anthony.j.gaeta)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: PRO-2004
Keywords: What a fair price for one?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:05:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Can someone please tell me what would be a fair price for
a PRO-2004?

Thank you,

Tony Gaeta
908 834-1180
hocpa!n2nkc
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: aa357@yfn.ysu.edu (Greg Ricker)
Subject: URGENT - Chicago
Reply-To: aa357@yfn.ysu.edu (Greg Ricker)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:30:01 GMT


Can anybody out there send me a Chicago and surrounding area fire frequency 
list by Noon Friday (11-6)
Thanks ALOT
-- 
Greg Ricker  xx130@yfn.ysu.edu or aa357@yfn.ysu.edu (YFN Scanner Sig Sysop)
             am396@clevelan.freenet.edu  Cleveland Free-Net
             gricker@heartland.bradley.edu  Heartland Free-Net
             usr6032a@tso.uc.edu  Tri-State Online
From: calley@optilink.UUCP (Chris Calley)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Baby Monitors/Cordless Phones
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:00:32 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <1dseb8INNjb0@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, by 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon):
> I found out that cordless/baby monitors are on the same frequency by neighbor
> has one and they keep it on every day and night I here what goes on in that 
> room all the time is that wrong or what? the range is 49-49.99 does any body 
> have similiar experiences or what I want to know ? I want to hear different 
> stories from other people.
Hmmm, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here.  The fact that baby monitors
and cordless phones may have overlapping frequencies is the same sort of problem as
happens with two cordless phones in the same proximity.  _Most_ cordless phones have
multiple channel capabilities.  If yours only uses one frequency, and your
neighbors baby monitor uses only that same frequency, it seems to me that you are
stuck.
-- 
Christopher A. Calley - all opinions are my own... etc.
email: 	calley@optilink.com
From: as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS Radford)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: best
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:05:24 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Nov5.2571.1826@dosgate> "david toste" <david.toste@canrem.com> writes:
>Ok here is an other one:
>This one I got off a friend.
>
>He was listening to the cordless stuff, show it off to a friend of this,
>the scanner stoped and they started to listen in, it was a guy and gal,
>and from what he could get was that they where talking about the big
>night before, motels, whip cream, (you get the idea), so my friend
>decided to give her a call, he got here number afew weeks back when she
>called for a pizza, so it goes like this.
>
>She: Hold a sec John my other line.
>Click
>Friend: Hi there how are you feeling? A little sore?
>She: Who is this?!

... etc., in sickening detail

>---
> ~ OLX 2.1 TD ~ Never let a machine know you're in a hurry.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Ugh!  This almost persuades me that the ban could be justified after all.
It's guys like you that cause grief for the whole hobby.  Yuk!


-- 
  Arthur Radford
  University of the West of England      -------------------------------
  BRISTOL, BS16 1QY, UK                	      Esperanto parolata
  as_radfo@uk.ac.uwe.csd                 -------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Subject: Re: To tattle, or not to tattle
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:03:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.172131.19988@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes:

>What if they were running a crack house, molesting little kids
>or ripping your other neighbors off?  You would be as low
>as the people doing the deed if you didn't even anonomusly
>help (at the least).  

But what if you heard this on a cellular frequency? While they could
probably bust the people you heard and reported, I would now think
that you could either be sued or punished criminally. 

If someone ever does report something they heard on a cellular, I hope
they are punished and sued. Will show how obsurd it is to have laws
saying you can't listen to a certain frequency. One more point. What
if you heard the cellular on 400 MHz instead of 800?

Eric
______________________________________________________________________________
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From: metalj@concerts.EBay.Sun.COM (Jerry Watson )
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: To tattle, or not to tattle
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:12:42 GMT
Reply-To: metalj@concerts.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: concerts.ebay.sun.com

If someone ever does report something they heard on a cellular, I hope
they are punished and sued. Will show how obsurd it is to have laws
saying you can't listen to a certain frequency. One more point. What
if you heard the cellular on 400 MHz instead of 800?


I agree, I call that INVASION OF PRIVACY!! Mind your OWN buisness
DONT BE A SNITCH!!!!!

	Jerry
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Opinions on Realistic Pro-37 Scanner
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:34:56 GMT


I have an opportunity to buy this scanner for $219 at the local
store. Would anyone care to comment on the useability and
such of this handheld?

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: To tattle, or not to tattle
    <1dmkjeINNhim@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> 
    <VBREAULT.92Nov9174246@rinhp750.gmr.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:21:50 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

vbreault@rinhp750.gmr.com (Val Breault) writes:

>I believe that people ought to be rewarded for disclosing criminal 
>acts, whether those seen with their eyes or heard with their ears.
>-val-


  Ever hear the term, "Lex Malla, Lex Nulla"? It means, "Evil law, No law".
If you consider someone smoking pot to be a "criminal act", then I assume
you do not smoke or drink alcohol. And anyone that did would be reported
(if these harmful chemicals were illegal like reportedly less harmful pot)?
Or maybe you are one who believes in following all laws blindly whether they
are right or wrong? So when racism was legal, you would have agreed? Also, 
what about laws which dictate the kind of sex you and your wife can have in
the privacy of your own home? Should your wife be busted for giving you oral
sex (illegal in many communities)? Where do you draw the line? Some laws
demand civil-disobedience! 

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.railroad
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Amtrak frequencies?
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.213208.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, crand@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> Hello, I am going to be taking the train from Omaha, Nebraska to Denver,
> Colorado over Thanksgiving.  I would like to take my scanner with me.  I 
> would like to find out what frequencies Amtrak (& its operators) use for
> this part of the route.

You should have cross-posted this query over in rec.railroad.  I took
the liberty of cross-posting this followup message, so don't worry,
now it's done...

As far as I know, Amtrak uses the frequencies of the railroad whose
tracks they are traveling over.  I think they might also have a few
true Amtrak frequencies allocated to them for yard or on-train crews.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
UUCP: ...!ames!ntmtv!adrian
ARPA: ntmtv!adrian@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer)
Subject: Re: Cellular/Cordless phone privacy.
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:40:26 GMT

In article <RUSTY.92Nov10150637@krishna.cs.umd.edu> rusty@krishna.cs.umd.edu (Rusty Haddock) writes:
>cfm1471@usl.edu (Morrison Charles F) writes:
>   kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>   >Just repeating a sig that I saw on the net recently (probably in
>   >alt.radio.scanner).  Not sure if I got it exactly right...
>   >
>   >      "Any radio waves you choose to send through my body are
>   >         for me to use as I see fit!"
>   >
>   >I kind of liked that one.  Any other opinions?
>   >
>   Amen!
>   Dont use a cordless, unless you wanta be heard!!!
>
>Let's amend that to say "don't mind or care if you're overhead."
>I generally don't *WANT* people to listen in on my conversations
>but if I absolutely don't want them to be heard I use the traditional
>landline.
>
>Just picking nits... :-)

	In the event that someone forwards your incoming landline call
	to their cellphone, perhaps you should adopt a conversational
	preample asking the callee whether they are on any telephone or
	media that can be monitored :-)

>Rusty Haddock / Computer Science Dept	DOMAIN:	rusty@mimsy.cs.umd.edu

					Rick Spanbauer
					SUNY/Stony Brook







Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: dameon@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dameon M Horner)
Subject: Re: Uniden XC365 Cordless Phone
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:48:43 GMT

From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:06:16 GMT
Subject: Re: What's your tattle level?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner

> From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)
> 

Maybe the fact that I live in a small town is reflected by where I 
draw the line.........


> Which of the following would you report to the police?

  Jaywalking
  Speeding                    Not report
  Littering
  Cheating on a 7th grade exam
  Teasing cats
  Marital infidelity
  Possession of a 
   15 round handgun magazine (next year this will be a crime)
  Faking evidence of Clinton's connection w. KGB

> 
> Small drug buy/sell        <-------------- my line is here somewhere
> Large drug buy/sell
  Teasing dogs
  Making fun of bald men
> Huge  drug buy/sell              REPORT
> Planning bank robery

  etc on into the big time (or NYC nominal)

Ron
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Baby Monitors/Cordless Phones
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:08:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I found out that cordless/baby monitors are on the same frequency by neighbor
has one and they keep it on every day and night I here what goes on in that room all the time is that wrong or what? the range is 49-49.99 does any body 
have similiar experiences or what I want to know ? I want to hear different 
stories from other people.

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,misc.legal
From: Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith)
Subject: Re: Best of Transmissions......
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:06:53 GMT

A YEAR in jail for the first offense?  I take it that this means it's a
felony to listen to a cordless phone call?  Yikes.  I'm finding my good
old State of California to be much less enlightened than I'd thought.

-KS

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