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From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Dracula sucked.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:27:08 GMT

Well, I didn't like it anyway.
 
But my point is that it is ok to be nit picky about the film being
unlike the book when FFC goes about screaming at the top of his lungs
how the film is the FIRST film true to the novel, as opposed to some
stage play based on the novel (which, I'm told, the other Dracula films
are based on).
 
There were a lot of reasons I didn't like the movie, but the only one
worth mentioning, cuz it broke my heart (sob) was Winona Ryder SUCKING
BIGTIME.  Sniff.  Her british accent was awful.  Winnie, you made a
bad movie!  I guess it happens to everyone.  (Here, take this knife
and kill yourself...)

                                        Nik
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: REANIMATOR!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:41:57 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <BxvwA2.AsI@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gaeron McClure) writes:

>	BTW, on the subject of disgusting, anybody out there seen "Bad Taste"?

As in...
"You'll never guess what I just had to do!"
"What, eat some chuck?"

I hear the maker of this has made a follow-up, possibly not a sequel,though.

>GRiM (Gaeron R. McClure, Crawling Pustulant Amphibian)
>(mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)

Ian J Davenport    MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY    ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

                           "What is it?"
               "I dunno, but it's weird and pissed-off!"
From: tonlun@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Tony Lundstedt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Censorship
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:13:19 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: moskva.docs.uu.se

Lot of countries have some sort of censorship involved with movies and
books. I  asume the censors have to see and read everything they are supposed
to censor. Their job is to keep  us safe from sex, violence and bad thoughts.
That leads to a question:
	WHO PROTECTS THE CENSORS, WHY DOESN`T THEY GO OUT AND KILL, RAPE,
	FIGHT OR DROP DEAD.
They must be exposed to so much bad influence that they'll go bananas at once.
How can they then do their work properly??????

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From: gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:07:30 GMT

In article <Bxx8An.EtL@ncifcrf.gov> diachun@fcs260c.ncifcrf.gov (Justin Diachun) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.134519.9789@csd.uwe.ac.uk> sj_hawki@csd.uwe.ac.uk (SJ Hawkins) writes:
>>I don't know where 'In the Flesh' comes in the series ,but I have read all
>> six volumes of the Books of Blood, generally I thought that most of the
>>stories were excellent and showed a lot of imagination. Good stories include '
>>The Midnight Meat Train', and 'In the Hills,the Cities' as well as lots of
>> others that I can't remember. I was disappointed with some of the stories
>>though, but that series has turned me into a Clive Barker fan.
>
>I only read the first 3 so far, and I also liked "Midnight Meat
>Train", and also "Dread", "Jacqueline Ess", and many others.

I thought they were excellent. In The Hills, The Cities; The Yattering
And Jack (which Barker also wrote as a play, too); Jaqueline Ess; and
the one about the man racing against the Devil were better than the
two novels I've read of his (Cabal, and Weaveworld). I feel his main
weakness tends to be in his endings (oo-er). He just can't get a closure
his novels, which he has no problems with in Books Of Blood. Just an
opinion... Rid.

-- 
                  Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig
*On a Flowery	     gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk          Space Trip!*
		 ---------------------------------
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From: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine)
Subject: authors poll
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:08:51 GMT

I thought it might be interesting to see the diversified tastes of
the readers of this newsgroup by conducting a poll of favorite authors.

If anyone would like to participate, please e-mail me a list of your
five favorite authors (horror or otherwise(blasphemy?)) in no
particular order.  Every once in a while -- if there are responses --
I will post results.

Thanks for the input,

			Steffan Levine, UTSA
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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:41:22 GMT

In article <BxytGD.23r@cck.coventry.ac.uk> agiblett@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CENOBITE) writes:
>
>The books of blood were good.
>To put it simply they were clive barkers best writings.
>In my opinion this is because he had not tried to become popular.
>Even barker who is my idol has moderated his writing and in doing so lost
>some of his style.

He purpously changed his style.  I read an interview from him last month
where he said "First people had me pegged as a horror writer, so I
switched to fantasy.  Now people have me pegged as a fantasy writer, so
I'm changing again."  That's not an exact quote, but that's basically what
he said.  I guess he doesn't want to get into a rut, as can be seen from
his latest book.

PS: I'm a fan of the novels.  The BoB don't do much for me.
-- 
=============================================================================
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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: HPL
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:29:12 GMT

In article <wZu6TB4w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
>
>> philip marlowe (pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>> :  
>> :  Let's face reality here -- HPL was a LOUSY writer. His prose was so 
>> : thick and convoluted that it's almost impossible to read -- almost 
>> : Milton-esque, in a strange kind of way.
>> :  
>> :  That said, I do read his stuff every now and again because his 
>> : imagination ALMOST overcomes the turgid prose...not an easy thing to do.
>> :  
>> 
>> Expect a LOT of e-mail.
>> 	--MLM
>
> 
> Let 'em come...I'll take 'em on one at a time, or all at once.
> HPL WAS a lousy writer.
> 
> And so is Dean R. Koontz.
> 
>marlowe

   Okay, Mr Opinion man, so who is your idea of a good writer?  Hemingway,
I suppose.  Dick and Jane primers?


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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: H.P.LOvecraft
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:27:01 GMT

In article <yw2LuB8w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>>   I feel that Lovecraft is a master of horror writing, The scary
>> thing about his writing is enhanced by his style. The fact that the monsters
>>  are often beyond human comprehension makes them much worse than some
>> kid with a hormone problem and a hockey mask. Not meaning to be rude,
>> but I feel that HPL  is probable one of the greatest horror writers of 
>> the twetieth century
>
> 
> Your points are valid, but (his awful prose style aside), HPL's biggest 
>problem was the almost complete lack of well-rendered main characters. 
>Nothing human contrasts the inhuman, and his books are very cold because 
>of it.
> 
>marlowe
>
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      Lovecraft's books are very cold because that's the way he wanted
them.  He was of the opinion that all this science stuff is going to lead
to the discovery of things we aren't meant to know, and that there is no
good in the universe.  He had a very dark world view.....

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From: maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Avoid normal situations.)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Summary: Yikes!! 
Keywords: alt.fan.books-blood.splat.splat.splat 
Organization: The Special Corps 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:20:00 GMT

>In article <1992Nov16.205644.590@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
>>What do you people think of Clive Barker's Books of Blood?
>>I have read one of them - In the Flesh, I think it was called,
>>and I was disappointed.  I didn't really think any of the stories
>>were anywhere as good as his longer novels.  What of the other five?

  The stories in BoB are superior to the novels, IMHO. Many of the tales 
therein are real classics -- especially "Dread", a real sleep-stealer.
(And just think, in high school I actually knew a satanist named Burgess and
a bisexual named Gavin! Horrors!

							Love & kisses,

						The Stainless Steel Moviegoer

						"Perhaps it was a result of
						anxiety." -- Bubba Zanetti,
						_Mad Max_
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: H.P.LOvecraft
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:53:17 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: like communism, but nicer.

harsh@flammulated.owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani) writes:

> The thing that makes Lovecraft so frightening is that when you read his work
> you enter another world in which there is no God or Good to save you.  There
> are merely the mad Old Ones, who at best are not sentient enough to care abou
> you, and at worst hate you.
> --
> Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
> 	but we don't pay God taxes.
> 
> 					The King of Fools
> 

 
 Exactly. That bleak, terrifying vision is what's made me slog through a 
bunch of his books, and plan to read more. There is more to good fiction, 
however, than an interesting concept.
 
marlowe

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From: drwho@planet10.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: What movie is this?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:11:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

Many moons ago, I used to watch "This is Horror" on MTV.  One of the
clips really struck me (THWAK) and I can't remember what movie it was
from:

The hero of the film finds his mother in the attic (or was it the
basement?), and they are talking.  Then she stands up and starts
walking toward him, and we see that her legs are actually human arms.

A nice weird effect.  I think it was a foreign film.  Anybody
recognize it?

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # Who is this John person, and where does
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # he have to be at 3:16?
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # 
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
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From: agiblett@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CENOBITE)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Organization: CPSFS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:29:00 GMT

In article <Bxvy6L.3p2@willamette.edu> ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.205644.590@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes:
>>What do you people think of Clive Barker's Books of Blood?
>>I have read one of them - In the Flesh, I think it was called,
>>and I was disappointed.  I didn't really think any of the stories
>>were anywhere as good as his longer novels.  What of the other five?
>>
>>Thanks for any input,
>>
>>			Steffan Levine
>>
>>
>
>   One must cinsider that the Books of Blood were written near the
>beginning of Barker's career.  Yes, his novels are better, and he has
>improved a good deal, but the Books of Blood were still quite good, in my
>opinion.  The third one was the best, in my opinion.
>
The books of blood were good.
To put it simply they were clive barkers best writings.
In my opinion this is because he had not tried to become popular.
Even barker who is my idol has moderated his writing and in doing so lost
some of his style.
The Books of blood were grity and dam right nasty. I have read all 6 
of them and I recomend any true horror fan to do the same.
From ADRIAN
A.K.A THE CENOBITE


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From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: Re: Books of Blood
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:20:50 GMT
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Date Entered: 11-17-92 21:16
slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine) writes

S >What do you people think of Clive Barker's Books of Blood?
S >I have read one of them - In the Flesh, I think it was called,
S >and I was disappointed.  I didn't really think any of the stories
S >were anywhere as good as his longer novels.  What of the other five?
S >
S >Thanks for any input,
S >
S >                        Steffan Levine

Hmmm.  Actually, ITF was the first Barker I ever read, and was the 
book that turned me on to Clive.  It and 'The Inhuman Condition' are 
my two favorite of BoB.  Basically, the other five are similar in 
terms of themes and content, and I have found them to be among the 
best short horror works in recent history.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
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From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:09:25 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did tnielson@spock.NMSU.Edu really type:
}  
}  Just saw Dracula..............ohmygodohmygodohmygod. Was it good!

It was ok.

Warning!  Spoilers ahead.

Are you sure?

}  I can't see anything wrong with it except Keanu Reeves has the cheeseiest  
}  English accent...well I can overlook that.

Let me start my list of what was wrong:

A)  Keanu Reeves, drained of blood for weeks by the wenches, crawls
along a ledge, falls into a river, and survives to make it to a
convent.

B)  The gratuitous breast scenes were not erotic, nor sensual.

C)  When the crypt is opened to kill the redhead, we see a closed
crystal coffin.  In the next few scenes, the lid has opened itself and
disappeared into thin air.

D)  The opening of the movie made a reference to the line of Dracula.
The line is Dracul.

E)  There was no seduction of Winona's character.  All of a sudden she
was in love with Dracula.

F)  The train scenes (background actually) looked as bad as the sets
to Star Trek V:The Final Frontier.

}  Oldman----superb

Eh?  His character showed little depth for being x-odd hundred years
old.

}  Hopkins---the perfect Van Helsing.

Puh-lease.  Hopkins was as bad in _Dracula_ as he was in _Freejack_.
-- 
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Subject: Re: A question regarding Dracula, and vampires
From: loki@netcom.com (James E Myers)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:43:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

slfrp@cc.usu.edu writes:

>At one point, just before we see Dracula chasing after Minna, Van Helsing's
>voice tells us that, "contrary to popular belief, vampires CAN move about
>in the daytime, though it is not their natural time, and their powers
>are weak."

In the original book Dracula was able to move around in the day, although
it was clear that he didn't like it.  For the movie, they probably felt
it was necessary to explain it to the audience, due to the many years of
movies that made the point that vampires simply _can't_ do that.

	--James
From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: D Koontz
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:56:27 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: like communism, but nicer.

jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:

> Sigh... I used to like Koontz, I really did.  But never again -
> listening to it on tape killed it.  DK mixes about 2 minutes
> of true plot development with 10 minutes of expounding about...
> the meaning of life, the point of death, the man's-best-friendness
> of dogs, the.... Give It A REST!!   I never understood how much
> I skim when I read.  But the man is preachy as hell, and can't/won't
> let up for an instant.  Never never listen to him on tape if you are
> a fan - maintain your illusions...
> 
> 

 
 I agree, but I don't think that's his greatest crime. The man's 
characters are flat, flat, flat, and usually one-note (quite often a 
racial or ethnic stereotype, to boot).
 
marlowe

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From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Frankenstein (Re: Dracula for free)
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:16:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.121853.60892@cc.usu.edu>, slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
> In article <1992Nov14.172008.1@woods.ulowell.edu>,
> mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>> Coppola's going to do a remake
>> of Frankenstein, too.
> 
>      Actually, no.  According to Chris Hicks (local movie critic/
> reporter) in the 15 Nov _Deseret_News_ Arts section, Kenneth Branagh
> of (I don't remember or know) fame will be doing Frankenstein. 
> Apparently Coppola turned it down. 

If you read in one of my earlier postings on new movies coming soon,
Wizard Magazine #16 stated that Coppola may be doing a trilogy with
Dracula, Frankenstein, and The Invisible Man.  The article reads:

	Francis Ford Coppola is set to reproduce his second major monster
	film.  From a script by Jim Hart (who also adapted Bram Stoker's
	Dracula), Joel Schumacher will direct Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
	Rumors are that Coppola will also produce a third film, to make a
	trilogy, with The Invisible Man following the other two.

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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Quantum Leap episode
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:01:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


	Did anybody see part 1 of that episode of Quantam Leap a couple nights 
ago, it seemed to have some slightly Lovecraftist elements in it.  There were 
things like history of insanity in that family and the mother killing her entire
family.  There also seemed to be some question of the origin of that little
girl and her mother.  And that one women who's husband and daughter died seems
to be conducting a little witch hunt against the little girl because she was
the last one to see them alive.
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From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Re: CoC RPG crossover
Originator: bjbisset@c00123-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords:  Cthulhu RPG/Crossover
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:03:09 GMT


In article <1992Nov14.193357.24151@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere) writes:
|>Another try...For D&D-CoC crossovers see the original Deities & Demigods. For 
|>D&D-SPace-1889 Crosovers seee Challenge # 43. C0C can also be easily crossed 
|>over with Runequest, since they have the same basic systems. There is alos and 
|>adventure book coming out called Srange Eons which has adventures in many eras 
|>and can be modified to fit into FRPGs and SFRPPGs.
|>Mike LaBossiere
|>
 Another idea, for CoC crossovers, rewrite the creatures yourself.  You will
appreciate it much more(the players might not tho 8) ). I think the D&D
versions of Cthulhu characters was a disappointment at the very least.  Players
won't even start making out their characters' wills if you let them know you're
using those renditions.  However, if you tell them that you don't like the
Dieties & Demigods versions, then they will have definate second-thoughts(If
they live long enough) about fighting even one shoggoth.  By following the
"official" D&D version, they'll just blast their way through Mythos-stuff like
they would anything else, and then what would have been the point of including
Mythos-creatures?
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From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: don't split up the party
Keywords: Rules                        
Organization: Miskatonic University                      
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:02:26 GMT


	Actually, I usuallt do spilt up the party.  it's much easier than 
swallowing them whole.
"Let's split up, we can cover more ground that way!"- eager new player
"Only when thinly sliced." -practical old player

	The Laughing Priest!  {Jgoodric@nmsu.edu}

	
	"I an pilot error.
	I am fetal distress
	I am the Random Chromosome
	I am Complete and TOTAL MADNESS!"   - The Crow
	
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