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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (El Burro Grande)
Subject: Poll: more votes please
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:24:24 GMT


Hi,

I have received quite a lot of answers on my poll now. The problem is that most of them are from USA, Canada, Australia, England, Finland and India. I would like to have more votes from specially Africa (only one so far - from South Africa), South America (only two), more from Asia and Europe (and Scandinavia - only the Finns have responded yet).


The rules:
Reply to this post with the five team sports you think are largest in your home country/ the country you live in and also note what country.

 With large I mean you should consider the sports that got most coverage in media and not with the most performer. You should also consider the national league coverage rather than national team.

With team sport I mean a sport that is performed on an arena of some kind with two teams. I don't consider the kind of sports there you can have teams meeting the others teams on an individual basis, for example as in table tennis.

I will leave up to your own judgement on sports I don't know about. Included in this post a list of sports I consider being suitable - but your free to include other sports.

Since people in the same country will have different opinions on which sports are the largest in their country I will make an average list for all countries. 

Hopefully this will give some kind of indication on which sports are the most world spread and end all the flaming discussions on this issue.

Deadline will be 30/8, replies after that won't be considered. please also don't include too long comments.

Here's my list for Sweden:

1. Football (soccer)
2. Ice Hockey
3. Bandy
4. team Handball
5. Basketball

(I don't consider volleyball since the national league coverage is very small though the natioanl team received much more coverage than the basketball national team lately. Of course other Swedes probably have anothet opinion.
Bandy is a sport that is very popular in Sweden, Finland and Russia. Shortly it can be described as a combination of Field Hockey and football played on ice.)

List of suitable sports:
Football (also rugby, american, australian, gaelic etc.)
Hockey (Ice, Field, Roller)
Polo (water, Horse)
Handball
Volleyball
Bandy (also indoor)
Baseball, Softball, Cricket, Boboll
Basketball
Freesby
Lacrosse
Underwater rugby

This  is all I can think of now. Must be more so don't mind if your soport isn't included.


John Dryselius

Reply to: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se



Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
From: tchristen01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Junior Tournaments in 1992
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:25:32 GMT

Fellow hockey enthusiastics,

Given the greater enthusiasm, frequency of posting and cooperation
shown for the Net during the Olympics, it would seem a pity to lose
this involvement and interest.  Perhaps one way of maintaining this
momentum is to focus interest on other international and major hockey
tournaments, and report the results, tables and comments as we have
done for the Olympic hockey tournament.

I understand that the remainder of the year will be a busy one for
National Junior players (Under 21's), as these tournaments are about
to begin;

7th European Cup for Juniors
	Junior Mens tournament 22 - 30th August, Amsterdam
	Junior Womens tournament 30 Aug - 6 Sept, Edinburgh

Junior World Cup - Asian Qualifying Tournament
	Junior Mens tournament September, Kuala Lumpa

Junior World Cup - Oceania Qualifying Tournament
	Combined Mens & Womens 29 Nov - 6 Dec, Auckland

Perhaps some of our European friends wouldn't mind posting information
about the European Cup, possibly Richard in Edinburgh and Joris in
Amsterdam but others would be helpful.

Does anyone have a contact in Kuala Lumpa that we can suggest?

I am happy to post information about the Oceania Qualifying Tournament,
but some help from our Kiwi, particularly Auckland friends would be 
valuable.

Well, what are the feelings of those who read the net?  Interested in
junior hockey results?

Regards
Steven Christensen
School of Psychology, 
Curtin University of Technology,
Perth, Western Australia.

Internet:	TCHRISTEN01@cc.curtin.edu.au

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
From: blee@bwdlh527.bnr.ca (Brian Lee)
Subject: Looking for tour information for 1993
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: blee@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:55:04 GMT

Hi,

   My club is in the early planning staages for a tour next year.  We
are considering two options right now.

   1. Easter time trip to Holland and England.  Exhibition matches in
      Holland and then entering one of the Easter tourneys in England.

   2. Sep-Oct trip to Australia.  Exhibition matches but we would also
      like to participate in a tournament.

   This is by no means the only options we would consider and are open
to suggestions and invitations.  Please e-mail if you have any 
information.  Thanx.

-- 
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 Brian Lee                             | Phone:  (613) 763-4659
 Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.          | Fax:    (613) 763-8910
 Dept. 4X56, P.O. Box 3511, Station C, | blee@x400gate.bnr.ca 
 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7      | 
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From: rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse)
Subject: Tournaments- next one year.
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:42:12 GMT

Which and when are the next hockey tournaments scheduled ? It seems to me that
the hockey tournaments are very few and far between. Correct me if I am wrong,
but the only international tournaments of importance worldwide are the Olympics, World Cup and the Champions Trophy. Cricket has the tours of different countries going on which keeps the interest going, hence it makes sense to have the world cup every four years, but in hockey not much activity is there other than the
above three tournaments so it may be better to hold the world cup every two years instead.

Any opinions !

Raju Pendse
Compaq Computer Corporation
Houston
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From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Olympic Hockey Final Reults
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:54:12 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Final Placings
--------------

 [1] - Germany
 [2] - Australia
 [3] - Pakistan
 [4] - Netherlands
 [5] - Spain
 [6] - Great Britain
 [7] - India
 [8] - New Zealand
 [9] - Malaysia
[10] - Unified Team
[11] - Argentina
[12] - Egypt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (eVAn priTCHarD)
Subject: Re: Canucks-Fergus agreement
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:15:29 GMT

Gary_Ponting@mindlink.bc.ca (Gary Ponting) writes:

>The canucks and Tom Fergus have come to agreement at last. The details of the
>deal were not released. Fergus was one of three free agents that the canucks
>had to sign. They've already lost Igor Larinonv to a Swedish Team and Kirk
>McLean remains unsigned.

I believe Larionov went to a SWISS team, not a Swedish team.  

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- Number 1, 3, 4, 2 or 19, depending on the hockey pool  
Winner of the rec.sport.hockey trivia competition :-)  

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Howard Baldwin
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:13:29 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Howard Baldwin doesn't have enough money to hire Scotty Bowman or
>pay Jaromir Jagr or Tom Barrasso, but he has enough money to
>contemplate buying the BC Lions of the CFL...go figure?

Given the price of the average CFL team, he could probably
buy a team for the money it costs to pay one of those guys.
(Hey, Gretz owns part of the CFL Argonauts... Maybe Lemieux
can buy into the BC Lions... :-)
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: American Hockey Association Re: Hockey-Sask: (SASKATOON)
Keywords: canadian broadcast
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:22:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.hamlet.714327732
Organization: University of Washington

The following was on clari.canada.general this morning.
Does anyone have anymore information?

>	(SASKATOON) There's more talk of professional hockey in Saskatchewan.
> The newly-formed American Hockey Association plans to begin play
>November 1st with at least six teams. One team is in Saskatoon, four are
>in North Dakota and Minnesota, while the other will be in Regina or Green
>Bay, Wisconsin. Co-founder Charlie Hodgins of Saskatoon has been
>involved in two other failed attempts to bring pro hockey to
>Saskatchewan. But he says the difference this time is the A.H.A. has
>arenas secured. The league says further information on schedules, team
>names and owners will be announced soon.

--
And here, with his bird's eye view, and a brain to match, is Mr.
Know-It-All. - Rocket J. Squirrel
Mitch McGowan a.k.a.   | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS | KALAMAZOO WINGS  |
hamlet@u.washington.edu| VICTORIA COUGARS      | ST. KILDA SAINTS |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Sharks coverage
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.055351.4548@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

|> Again, that misses the point: if football played 40 games, each game
|> wouldn't get the current level of coverage, no matter how popular the
|> Niners are.
|> 

You have to look at total coverage, not just the coverage after a game.
Look in the the paper almost any day of the week, not just after a game.
You will see that during the football season, there are many pages covering
football.  Most of the columnists are writing about football.  There is a
huge amount of coverage on any day about football.  This is also true of
baseball and basketball.  There are a lot of articles not directly related
to games and columns written about these sports.  There are relatively few
about hockey.  A lot of this has to do with the fact that most of the 
columnists in the area don't know much about hockey, and they have been
covering the other sports for years.  The same can be said for radio
talk show hosts.  They don't encourage hockey talk because they themselves
know very much about the game.  

|> >can receive, and the Sharks when you look at all the television, radio, and
|> >newspapers as a total package get the lowest coverage of all the ten major
|> >teams.
|> 
|> We must be looking in entirely different places if you think that the
|> Sharks get less coverage than Stanford basketball, or than Stanford or Cal
|> football.  I sure don't see that.

That may be so.  Since I work on Stanford campus, I may see more college
coverage than you do.  However, it is true that there is a huge following
for Stanford and Cal football and basketball in the Bay Area.  The Stanford
football stadium holds over 80,000 fans and the Cal stadium holds almost
60,000.  Stanford basketball draws about 7500 per game, and
Cal basketball when it is played in the Coliseum draws 15,000. College football
and basketball in general in America is far
more popular than hockey.  Just look at how much of it there is on TV as
compared to hockey. The NHL would love to have 1/4 the coverage and TV money
either college basketball or football received in America.
Also, newspaper coverage of Stanford and Cal football and
basketball is at least as great as the Sharks.  What's more people are much more
interested about talking about these sports than the Sharks on sports call-in
shows.  Again, this will hopefully change in a few years.

|> 
|> >My point of view may differ than yours for two reasons.  One is that I'm
|> >a huge sports fan and follow all sports, (although hockey is a particular
|> >favorite because I grew up in Canada), and I hang around other people who
|> >are huge sports fans. 
|> 
|> I too am a fan of many sports, and hang around with people who are bigs
|> fans of many sports.
|> 
|> Sherri Nichols
|> snichols@adobe.com
|> 

It's great that you know more Shark fans than I do.  I find that I really
have to encourage other people to show interest in hockey.

				Terry Wong
From: tiok_jtk@tac.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: k
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:30:30 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: Finnish Ice-Hockey League

Hello to all, but especially to Jets fans!
On this week our next great NHL (I hope so...) star Teemu Sel{nne signed
his contract with Winnipeg Jets. I'd like to know is there any writings on
local papers about Teemu Sel{nne?
Next weekend Jokerit from Helsinki and IF from Malm| will play a match in
Helsinki. The winner will be "unofficial Champion" of Northern Countries.
Teemu Sel{nne won't play, though he wanted to play. Lawyer of the Jets
said the contract will be withdrawn if Teemu plays, because the Jets think
Teemu could be injured...

   Jonne Siren / FIHL

-- 
-
SM-LIIGA tulospalvelu / Finnish Ice-Hockey League
"Living isn't necessary; icehockey is..."
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hornet Jerseys?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:11:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92Aug18.162345edt.47880@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
>Incidentally, isn't it great having Cleveland as a farm team for
>Pittsburgh. Revenge on the Glovers at last!

I wonder how often it happens that a farm team is in a city that is
larger than the major league team's city.  Seems odd.

rick

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:05:57 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Islanders Front Office Rumour: Torrie Out? (Was: Bowman: my 2 cents)


Gary Dare writes:

>am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>>
>>Bryan Trottier didn't like what the Isles had in mind for him, 
>>so he exercised his options and it's worked out very well for him. 
> 
>The Islanders might be making him a better offer ... news is that
>the new ownership is on the verge of announcing the dismissal of
>Bill Torrie as General Manager, with Dan Maloney taking the helm
>and Bryan Trottier coming back to The Island to be groomed for a
>future executive position.

I'm well aware of these rumors.  And I hope they're true for Bryan's
sake and for the sake of hockey.  He's one person I'd like to see in
hockey forever.  My point was that his hockey life didn't end -- he
sought other opportunities, won two more Stanley Cup rings, and had a
hell of a lot of fun
doing it.
From: terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:54:09 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation
Subject: Re: Olympics in 199?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug13.164052.10269@meadow.uucp> zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.160859.19672@btree.uucp> terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen) writes:
>>>Much like the American team in Olympic basketball, a sport
>>>which incidentally was invented by a Canadian, Dr. James Naismith,
>>>contrary to the common U.S. misconception that Americans "invented"
>>
>>Give the Americans some credit: Dr. James Naismith was in Boston when he
>>invented the game.
>>
>So what's your point?  Americans didn't invent basketball, a Canadian did.
>
>-- Zeke.

Well Zeke, my point is that maybe  the ambiance of America overtook
Naismith and turned him into an entrepreneur.  :)  

Terry
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Barrasso negotiations
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Anna Matyas) writes:
>I just had an alarming thought.  If Craig Patrick doesn't make a deal
>with Tom Barrasso by the season start, and Barrasso refuses to play,
>the Pens essentially have shit for goaltending.  And if it takes Patrick
>until November or so to get Barrasso in goal (and Tommy historically
>has needed a lot of playing time to get to a decent performance level --
>he admits this himself), this could make or break the Pens' season.
>I think I've just become a Barrasso fan...

Gee, and I thought the management and fans were gonna follow the Pen's
blueprint for success again: bag the regular season and then kick ass in 
the playoffs.  I had figured the Bowman and Barrasso stuff as just part of
the plan for another cruise-control warm-up.  Like they changed the logo
so Pen's fans would have something to complain about in spite of two cups
in a row.  After all, if they don't lose a bunch of games they they should
win, and they don't play like a bunch of underachieving stiffs, Pen's fans
would get complacent, and stay home complaining about not having an NBA
team to complain about.

I mean, they can be unconsious for 80+ games and still finish in front of
the Isles and Flyers...

I mean Devils....

Uh, did I mean Caps?

Rangers??

Gee, Anna, I guess you were right after all.

Matt
Besides, Mario's back is fine, and they'll re-sign Phil, and ...
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Link Gaetz?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:29:54 GMT

In article <17AUG199217001319@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>My Strat Hockey league is having its draft in a month, and I was thinking
>of using one of my low-round picks on this guy.  However, I remember hearing
>that he had been involved in some kind of nasty automobile accident a few
>months ago.  If any kind Sharks fan out there could give me an update on
>his status, I'd be greatly appreciate it.

I have seen no new updates on Gaetz, so I assume his status is the same as
a few weeks ago.  Then, I heard that he is playing in summer leagues, and is
not quite at full strength yet, as he is trying to regain his skating skills,
but is said to be on schedule for a full recovery and should be able to be
ready when training camp opens.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Flyer's training camp in...
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:41:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 Just to break up the ad nauseam Terry & Gerry Olympic posts (ever heard of 
 e-mail?), I recieved word from a few relatives, via the Charlottetown Guardian
, that the Philadelphia Flyers will be holding the first week of their training
 camp in lovely Prince Edward Island, home of NHLers Gerard Gallant, John Chabot
 and Kent Paynter. So for all you Lindros posters who want to get an early look
 at the big guy...

********************************************************************************
Patrick Emond  *'...Odelein's got the puck behind his net, skates out... he's at
Concordia U.   * center now, picking up steam... he's coming into the Hawks zone
Montreal, Can. * makes a move on Belfour HE SCORES!!!!! Unbelievable...'
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.235505.22439@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>greater coverage.  For example, after a 49'ers game, a newspaper will have
>about 6 pages of coverage.  A Shark's game will rate maybe 1/4 page.

That's not a fair comparison.  Football games happen very seldom, relative
to hockey games.  If hockey only played 17 games a year, each individual
game would be more important, and would get larger coverage (not that
playing only 17 games a year would be a good thing, mind you).  Hockey
coverage in the San Jose Mercury News is comparable to baseball coverage. 

>Another way you can judge the popularity of a sport is by conversations
>around the water cooler or on the sports talk-lines.  While many people
>want to talk football, basketball, or baseball, it is hard to find someone
>who wants to talk hockey.  Maybe I'm just not hanging around the right
>people :).

Maybe.  Among the people I hang around with who discuss any sports at all,
I hear more about the Sharks than I do about the 49'ers.  Maybe I'm just
hanging around with the right people :-).

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Re: Coaching
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
	<1992Aug17.223414.21411@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:23:54 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.223414.21411@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> 
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

 ...Valid Kings defense removed so I can make this silly post

>   Olympics, and one has to figure that Gretzky is getting pretty
>   pissed that Lemieux is considered the best player in the world.
>

...Lemieux is considered the best player in the world, outside the 
   environs of the Philly front office and the Lindros home...
--
Neal C. Johnson		INTERNET: neal@atmos.washington.edu
                 	UUCP:	  uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!neal
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:24:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.230746.3497@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>When your playoff record is about 1 win and 15 losses...and you get
>your team eliminated from the playoffs in a single round over and
>over again...it is kind of hard to earn a #1 job.

And exactly how good were those Quebec and Washington teams?  If the Sharks
make the playoffs this year (unlikely) and the next (possible), and
lose 8 straight in those two playoffs with Jeff Hackett in nets, would you
call Hackett, who probably has to be a super goalie to get the Sharks into
the playoffs this season, a "proven loser"?

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey