HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: waldvoge@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel)
Subject: Re: Help fixing "dropped characters" problem using tip.
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:50:47 GMT

In article <kgtj7d=.jgrace@netcom.com> jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace) writes:
>I have a Telebit T3000, a NeXT serial cable and a NSColor Turbo.  I am
>using tip to log on at 14400+ BAUD to a remote UNIX computer
>and am losing characters during screen draws and refreshes
>(from the remote computer).  Also, I believe I have the modem
>using CTS/RTS (hardware handshaking), so if my NS is paying attention
>to handshaking, it should never drop characters, right?

Do you open the /dev/cuf[ab] devices? They provide flow control, whereas
the standard /dev/cu[ab] don't.

>Also, if anyone knows how to get tip to pass characters through
>transparently (particularly, ^A and ^P), I would like to know!

I wasn't able to make the stream fully transparent, but my ~/.tiprc
looks like the following, and since then, it transparently sends ^A
and ^P (parity=none has nothing to do with it but is quite nice to have):

raisechar=\377
force=\377
parity=none

-Marcel
From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Help: IDC 1991 Sales Estimates
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:15:28 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

Steven D. Borrelli writes
> Can anyone email me (or tell me where I could find) the Sales estimates
> for workstations in 1991? I'd like to have figures from an unbiased source.

Please post these numbers ... I only had Q1 thru Q3, and of course Q4 was  
NeXT's biggie.

Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:17:10 GMT

In article <724@rtbrain.woodside.ca.us> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
> moose@svcdudes.com writes
> > In article <1992Apr1.181021.20488@cs.yale.edu>  
> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> > (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> > > This posting does not belong in this group.  Glenn, you are
> > > violating the the only newsgroup policing mechanism - trust -
> > > when you post these marketing announcements in this group.
> > 
> > And its in RTF. Glenn, could you think of anything else to cause
> > more flames???
> 
> First, nothing "causes" flames other than idiocy.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Glenn, you idiot.

> People who flame
> on the net do so in order to see their words and opinions sent throughout
> the world, because it's fun and thrilling.  There's otherwise no
> earthly reason to flame on the net rather than through Email.  So I
> dispute the basic point, but I'm already digressing.

Some people, such as myself, flame publicly because it is a useful
method of starting a pro and con discussion about a topic.  Public
debate is useful in ways that email is not.

Of course, some people, such as Glenn, respond to such debate with
personal attacks.  That's OK, I can dish it right back out without
blinking a tearful eye.

> Third, my feeling is that if informational posts about products cause
> flames, so be it.

Which, as I've rightfully pointed out, is a total violation of the
charter of this group and the announce group, as well as the more
general idea of avoiding commercial postings in the comp groups.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:01:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.2126
Reply-To: dan@az.stratus.com

In article <CNH5730.92Apr12170622@calvin.tamu.edu> cnh5730@calvin.tamu.edu  
(Charles N. Herrick) writes:
> What happened to the *.app approach? You hide your files in the
> directory which appears as *.app in your file viewer.
> Isn't this sufficient?

That makes it hard to put the .app directory on a server and have  
everybody have their own data.

-dan-
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:55:51 GMT
Distribution: na

William E. Aitken writes

+ 	You forgot two mention two important points.  First MIME
+ is clearly documented unlike NG's format.  And MIME has been in 
+ a fairly developed stage for at least two years---i.e. since before 
+ NG's day.

So, the anwser to my question is: there *isn't* a MIME capable news reader for
the NeXT?

Gee, thanks.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter)
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Reply-To: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter)
Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:03:17 GMT

In article <sa9bsINNsa8@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi  
Ohzawa) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.181020.775@venice.sedd.trw.com>
> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes:
> 
> When you change the mics, do you have to retrain Simon?

It's a good idea to retrain after changing microphones since the sound samples  
may vary widely.

> Or can the recognition rate be improved by retraining?

Recognition can be improved by retraining.

David W. Peter
dpeter@hsd.com
(800) 828-5522
(415) 964-1400
From: nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Weaver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: data point:  non-ardi, (non-next) mac emulator
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:17:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s8a4cINNnse
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr10.185313.14252@unmvax.cs.unm.edu> iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Clifford T. Matthews) writes:

>interest in a Sun product in this newsgroup.  I have reproduced
>the three parts that I think the most number of people would be
>interested in.  Single '>' denotes from a press release I was sent
>by a friend (I believe it was also posted in one of the Sun groups).

>> Liken provides an emulation of a Motorola 68000 processor, and allows
>> the use of the SPARC display, keyboard, mouse, hard disk, floppy disk,
>> and CDROM drives.  Liken runs under the Open Windows SunOS windowing
>> system and is specifically designed to operate with customer-supplied
>> Apple Macintosh System Software v. 6.0.7.

	I think that Cliff said is the key, it requires Apple's System
v 6.0.7 to operate, and I don't believe Apple sells that without including
their hardware.  NeXT does not sell NeXTstep 68040 alone, you have
to buy a NeXT with it.  This could cause DEEP legal reprocussions, because
depending on how creative Apple's laywers get, I could see Apple
going through, getting a court order to obtain all the registration
information, and get all of thse people for copypright violation.

	Even System 7.0, whcih Apple does sell, is SPECIFICALY an upgrade,
not an independant product.  ARDI's work is reverse engenerring Apple's
ROMs and System.  This would make it VERY hard for Apple to sue
ARDI, but with that sun product, the end user MUST violate federal
copyright laws in order to get it to work!  The only people who could
use it would be those who would buy a mac and not use it except as
a source for one software licence, in which case there is little point.
The only way such a product could work is an agreement with Apple, something
that (in my opinion) would be unlikely, because their Power PC
concept would be in compititon with low end Suns as well as NeXT etc...

	Executor is well priced.  I bought it at the expo partially to
support a great product.  I believe, once it is completed for everything,
it will be around $700, about the same price, but the concept of cheeper,
app-specific versions make sense for the problem of integrating NeXT
with Mac.

	Oh, one request for the final version of HSFx-fer.  Create
a volume ~/Library/Executor/Partition which contains the user's files,
and the one in the Executor app wrapper for applications, thus a user's
files would be protected, but applications would be in common.

	Also, a NeXTstep based interface for file transfering would be nicer
then the current (Macish) front end for the transfer application.

	Nicholas C. Weaver
	(Happy user of Executor-MSW, and joyous player of
	 Risk on the thing :)
-- 
                       Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
        It is a tale, told by an idiot, .signifying nothing.
From: iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Clifford T. Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: FontographerDemo under Executor
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:38:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: unmvax.1992Apr7.013859.24679
Organization: ARDI


Me (Cliff[ord T. Matthews]):

>      BTW, the DEMO consists of Executor-MSW with several of the A-line
> traps removed, but enough are there to run the three programs that are
> included:
>               FontographerDemo        A demo version of Fontographer

js@Princeton.EDU (Jay Sekora) writes:

+Can I take this as evidence that y'all are working on a version of Executor  
+that will run the real Fontographer?  If so, HOORAY!  I will almost certainly
+buy a copy of this for my home NeXT if you come out with it.  (I say almost,
+in case Altsys happens to port Fontographer to the NeXT, but I think that's
+too much to hope for...)

Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin:

!Me too!  I would much prefer to have Fontographer ported to
!the NeXT (has anyone actually ever determined what Altsys is
!or isn't doing about this prospect?), but absent that,
!Executor would be my alternative choice.  There doesn't see
!to be any other font-design tool that begins to compare.

Me Again:

The emulator that we're working on is a general purpose emulator.
I know it's confusing, since it's refered to as "Executor-MSW" and
we stress that Word is the only application that is *currently*
"qualified" (Excel is in beta).  The DEMO copy that is available
via anonymous ftp (from unmvax.cs.unm.edu, soon to be on the
traditional NeXT ftp sites), lists the "big ticket" apps that we're
working on (not in order of priority; MacDraw and QuarkXPress would
be under Excel and it's hazy thereunder):

	Microsoft Word
	Excel
	Works
	Schedule
	Project
	
	Claris MacProject
	MacDraw II
	MacPaint II
	MacDraw Pro
	MacWrite II
	Filemaker Pro
	CAD
	Resolve
	Works
	Hypercard
	
	DeltaGraph
	QuarkXPress
	FoxBase+
	Aldus PageMaker
	Nisus
	More
	GreatWorks
	KaleidaGraph
	Fontographer
	Canvas
	CricketGraph
	AutoCad
	
Those are are high priority applications that we're qualifying.
We're also working on many little apps, including Quicken, MacInTax
(won't be ready in time, sigh), MacMoney and SimAnt.
	
Another post explains why you can now feel safe about picking up
our DEMO package and installing it as root on your machine (thanks
go to Barry Lustig for providing us with md5).  Please pick up the
post and run the demo, if for no other reason then to read the
explanation panels.  It's kind of hard to explain what we're doing,
when netikit requests that vendors don't mention prices.  Right
away that's a major strike to anyone that sells a product at a cost
lower than people would traditionally assume the software costs,
because the price won't be mentioned and many people who might
inquire about the software at a very low price will just assume
it's a standard price and not call to inquire.  Oh well, I don't
make the rules...
	
		--Cliff[ord T. Matthews]
		iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu
		Abacus R&D, Inc.
		(505) 766-9115
From: asmith@panik.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (SteakFace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Student discounts - cheapskate weasels should count there blessings
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:41:22 GMT
Reply-To: asmith@panik.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Chameleon Papers / datapanik designs, Vancouver, B.C.

Sean Church writes
> Get a life, you wooley headed fool! I'm sick of hearing the plight of the  
> students, whining like spoiled children and screaming about the "evil  
> capitalist world" they live in. You sound like you don't know squat about the  
> real world.


Go for it Sean!

It might interest some of you to know what kind of eMail I received after I  
posted the original rant.

I was bracing for a torrent of hatemail -- it never came. Instead I discovered  
that I had touched a sympathetic serve with a lot of people. Everyday users,  
software developers, businesspeople, and even students responded with support.  
It appears that the "wooley headed fools" are in the minority (thankfully).

Here's a quick sample of the responses that I received:

"AMEN!!  But I wouldn't dare say it out loud, I've had too many run-ins with
academia already!"

"If they _did_ need it, they _would_ find the money (consider how many students  
spent much more than any software package costs on an automobile that often  
sits in their parking spot except for Thursday through Saturday when it sits in  
a parking lot at a bar or some such ...)."

"YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!
Excellent.  Thank you.  I ... agree with you and [am] glad that you had the  
courage to come forward"

"Even though I am a student and would not give up an opportunity to get
a good deal without a fight,  I comment (sic) you for speaking up and pointing
this out.  You are absolutely right, college student tend to take edu.
prices as some sort of G-d given right, and whine when they don't get
them."

I find it very comforting to know that reason and reality lurks below the  
surface here in comp.sys.next.misc.

SteakFace

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: matt@navier.math.uh.edu ()
Subject: here's a source for a Macintosh driver for NeXT cd-rom drives
Organization: University of Houston -- Department of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:56:37 GMT

You can get Trantor's Mac cd-rom driver from:

  Phoethean (sp?) -- 1-800-362-3766

It will cost $69 including COD charges (they don't take credit cards,
unfortunately.)  This is the same driver that costs $99 direct
from the folks at Trantor, and is supposed to work with any SCSI cd-rom player,
including NeXT's.

-matt
--
Matt Emerson
matt@karazm.math.uh.edu
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Neuron
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:33:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <56986@cup.portal.com> kent_stuart_smith@cup.portal.com writes:
>the Mac (Global Village), which I bought for $149.00.  Ah, you say- the data
>modem is only 2400 baud. That's one of the problems with you Nexties- you 
>seem to favor the latest and greatest, and then are so shocked when it won't
>work.  You all are going to have so much fun with all those fast machines,
>CD-ROM players, and goodies that will come with the new system release. Just
>get out the wallet- and pray they got them right before they released them.

NeXTstep, with ISDN support built right into the operating
system and hardware -- as seemless as it could be -- will be
running rings around your Macintosh.

But hey, that's networking.  Something that Mac's don't need
to bother about.

Also, I bet there are modem/fax dealers for Mac systems that
have dished out the same problems for Mac customers.

...Stuart
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why you should buy a NeXT instead of an automobile
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:32:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr6.203248.11483
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab

In article <1992Apr6.015956.1071@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)  
writes:
> Top 10 reasons why you should buy a NeXT instead of an automobile
> 
>  6. Exhaust isn't fatal
> 

If you consider radiation to be "exhaust" then this could be debateable... :-)

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
From: wimsey@milton.u.washington.edu (Andrew Creighton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: neuron and uucp
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:04:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Has *anybody* been able to get uucp running with a Neuron Fax 1414
modem?

Bless the net for giving me the moral support that comes from knowledge
that my problems with Neuron do not necessarily come from my own 
incompetence; and from the knowledge that Neuron isn't returning my
phone calls just because I talk funny.

Not very cheery,
Andrew Creighton
wimsey@netcom.com
wimsey@milton.u.washington.edu
From: simsong (Simson L. Garfinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: fax from command line.
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us
Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine

In article <1992Apr4.193804.7080@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
smb3u@squeeg.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) writes:
> 
> I must be missing something obvious.  How does one send a fax from the 
> command line?  Suppose I'm dialing in or telnetting to my fax server and
> I want to send an ascii file as a fax.  Is there some little command line
> utility like lpr for faxes?
> 

Read the fil einto edit and fax from there.

Who uses command lines?
-- 

................................................................simson
From: bugs@atlantis.uucp (Dan Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SUPRA 9600 baud
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:13:13 GMT
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

mikhe@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Mike Henry) writes:
: 
: I had a hard time finding a cable I could trust so, yes, I made one myself for
: my SupraFAX. I just hooked it up and it ran great the first time. However, tip
: left more than a little to be desired, but SLIP ran great the first time.
: Cost $5<, but you need a steady hand soldering the MiniDIN-8. B^)
: 
: 		-Mike
: -- 
: Mike Henry                    INET : mikhe@cs.uoregon.edu              ///
: 441 E 13th St. #2                    mikhe@ida.liu.se                 ///
: Eugene, OR. 97401                                                 \\\///
: USA                           TEL  : +1 (503) 344-5122             \XX/

AUGH!  That reminds me of the first time I ever saw one of those blasted mini-
DIN8 connectors and I had to make cables for Macintoshes.  I was hunting around
(ala phone, granted) trying to find the connectors (not an easy task!).  When I
*did* finally find 'em, they were impossible to solder.

It was at that point that I walked over to the drawer where we had generic
ImageWriter II cables, whipped out the pocket knife, and discovered that "Yes
Martha, IW-II cables have all 8-pins wired."  Guh.  We had those cables for $7
each, and if you cut them in half you can make two cables out of 'em.  Add the
price of the RS232C heads, and you've got your <$5.
-- 
Dan Berry == President, NeXT Edmonton Owners Network / UofA Computers Tech.
	bugs%atlantis@cs.ualberta.ca (bugs@atlantis.uucp) - NeXTmail OK!
"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."
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From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:31:37 GMT

Adam Fedor writes
> I'm looking for a public domain/commercial screen saver that works even 
> after I log off.  Does Lockscreen do this? (It wasn't apparent from the
> demo that it did).  The screen saver I found on the archives seemed very
> buggy.  Could some one please point me to a place where I can find
> one?  Thanks.
> 
> adam (fedor@boulder.colorado.edu)

Get adim.tar.Z

Available at finer ftp sites everywhere.
From: cartley@sengbush.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Legal size paper and TeX
Keywords: tex legal size paper won't work
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:00:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

I'm unable to get TeX to print on legal size paper.  I've got TeXview
3.0 alpha 8 and dvips 5.483.  I still have the old versions, so if you
know how to make it work with them, that's just as good.

I've set \special{papersize=8.5,14} at the top of the .tex file, and
reset the \textheight (this is LaTeX).  TeXview shows the file just
fine, but when I print (manual feed), the printer doesn't seem to
realize it is legal size paper.  The top of the text is truncated
and there is a lot of white space at the bottom.

I saved the PostScript to a file, and it looks good.  It has these
comments, which are correct:
%%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 1008
%%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal

I see similar comments when I look at the PostScript from a WriteNow
file that I did on legal-sized paper (set in the Page Layout window).
That one prints correctly, but the TeX output does not.

Another funny thing is that when I view the .ps file created with
dvips in Preview, the text is positioned properly on the page.
It just won't print right!

If you know how to make this work with the older version of dvips,
that's great too.

Help me get a clue,
	-craig
--
Craig Artley    cartley@mines.colorado.edu    (303) 273-3557
Geophysics Dept., Colorado School of Mines, Golden, CO 80401
-- 
Bob Ware, System Administrator 
Computing and Networking, Colorado School of Mines, Golden, Co 80401, USA
(303) 273-3987
bware@mines.colorado.edu bware@mines.bitnet
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Exception #2 (0.0) at 0x10037d4
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:38:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Thanks to all the kind souls who responded to my plea!

Felix Lugo,
Neal Fowler,
Michael B. Johnson, and
Martin Bokaemper.

The problem was that I had not enable parity checking. Though
NeXTAnswers says it is not required (and even points out that you take
a performance hit by enabling it), Martin had experiences where parity
being enabled worked on some '040 machines, but not on others. A "bug"
in the early (ENIAC sp?) meaning of the word! ;-)

Thanks again!

Mark Wuest
mark.wuest@att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep & Windows NT & Windows 3.x
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:27:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.172412.1433@cco.caltech.edu>  
ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:

>  2.  Alternate TakeOver - If you power the machine down and stick the right  
>  floppy in the drive, you can reboot under a different OS. (cold boot)
>  3.  Soft TakeOver - you type in the right command, and it will log you out  
and  
>  come back under the new OS, and vice versa. (warm boot)
>  
>  The ideal, I would imagine, is #7, especially if it is as fast as 'native  
>  mode', although #5 is almost as good.  I fear we probably won't get better  
than  
>  #3 the first time around, though.

Well, as far as #2 and #3, a friend of mine and I told Avie that a "boot  
manager" similar to  OS/2's should be included with NS-486.  When you turn on  
the computer, a screen comes up that lists the OS's on the drives and lets you  
select which one to boot.  That way a user could very easily boot the OS they  
want instead of using kickstart floppies....


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
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