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From: jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W. Kale)
Subject: Re: 'nother neophyte question
Reply-To: jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W. Kale)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 02:17:55 GMT


In a previous article, esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) says:

>  I have a blessed magic marker (58) and 6 blank scrolls (ala w. of
>cancellation).  So, I tried writing a scroll of genocide by writing
>"genocide".  The result was a message to the effect that "you don't know how
>to write that."  So what do I need to do?  I also have the option of
>blessing the blank scrolls.  Would that help?  What other scrolls might be
>good to create?
>

	Unfortunately (for you), you cannot write a scroll of any 
particular type until you have identified that type of scroll. When 
you find a scroll of genocide and identify it (by reading it or by 
using a scroll/spellbook of identify on it) you will be able to write
scrolls of genocide. Beware, though, that high-level scrolls like
genocide, while undeniably useful, tend to use up your magic marker
very quickly. Writing a worthless scroll like "light" may only
reduce your magic marker charges by a few points, but "genocide"
is likely to use 20 points or so.
	Don't bother blessing your scrolls; a blessed magic marker
will write blessed scrolls, if the blank paper is uncursed or blessed.
The paper/magic marker relation is:

				If your magic
				marker is:

				cursed		uncursed	blessed
	And your blank	+--------------------------------------------------+
	paper is:	|	Then the scroll you write will be:	   |
			|						   |
	cursed		|	cursed		cursed		uncursed   |
			|						   |
	uncursed	|	cursed		uncursed	blessed	   |
			|						   |
	blessed		|	uncursed	blessed		blessed    |
			+--------------------------------------------------+

	Which is really pretty simple, but if I just _explained_ it,
I wouldn't have this impressive chart to post... :)
	Note that since some scrolls are especially useful when _cursed_,
it may not always be the greatest idea to bless your magic marker. Blessing
your magic marker can save a lot of holy water if you want to write blessed
scrolls, but you _cannot_ write a cursed scroll with a blessed magic marker.

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From: daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: How do I get a copy ?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 18:50:11 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.


	I last played Hack when 286's were brand new. This NetHack business sounds
interesting but I literally know nothing about it. I have net access from a
Mac, so how do I get a copy of NetHack? 
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From: gregs@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:46:39 GMT

lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis) writes:



>First, an apology:  in the last post, I typed a ^L (the kind I couldn't
>see), but it seems to have failed.  Now, another question:

>I previously genocided c and : with blessed scrolls.  So why is there a
>cockatrice on this level?  (I'm on a unix game, hard option set.)

Probably a chameleon.

I find that they arn't really that dangerous.  You will normally find a
lizard before you find a cockatrice.  Just carry a few around.

Besides, there's nothing more fun than wiping out a treasure zoo with
a cockatrice corpse.  (In the game, that is.)

My order for genocide is usually,
L's, T's, D's, R, a.

Depends on when you find the scroll.  Soldier ants are usually the first
bitch-of-a-monster I run into, so I wipe them out first if it's early.

BTW, the chameleon-cockatrice still has the power of a cockatrice.  Just
not the same HP.

-- 
Gregory Sumner ~ Seattle, Washington  :: Up, down, turn around
gregs@polari.online.com               :: Please don't let me hit the ground.
:::"Drink Rainier Beer"::::::::::::::::::N.O.:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH)
Subject: Re: Starvation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.090955.4722@informix.com> christb@infmuc (Christian Barmala) writes:
>
>Often when I play hack or nethack, I die from starvation. ...No I don't 
>miss breakfast lunch and dinner because I'm playing so long...
>I'm very often in a situation where I cant find any food rations or
>monsters to kill and eat. Am I playing something wrong, or is it just
>my fate, that this happens so often?
>
>Thank you, Christian

Spoilers...


"They say that you should pray for divine intervention"

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From: ksoutor@unlinfo.unl.edu (kevin soutor)
Subject: The Proper Employment of Jackals
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:49:40 GMT

Remember the lowly jackal, that low-level critter only 
<barely> fit for human consumption?  Today I found a
wonderful new use for them .  .  .  .  .

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT


Whilst on my quest to please Morrigan enough to grant 
the blessed Stormbringer upon me I was embroiled in a 
savage fight with a jackalwere.  It bit me several times,
infecting me with lycanthropy.  No potions, no scrolls,
and unable to pray to Morrigan for several hundred turns.
Then I saw that as a werejackal I could summon my brethren
(other [mundane] jackals).  I quickly loped upstairs in
jackal form, entered the altar room, and summoned as many
times as I could before I returned to human form.  By that 
time I was able to pray to the goddess to remove the
lycanthropic taint.  I then calmly wielded Orcrist, the
two-handed sword of death, in anticipation of providing
many fresh corpses for sacrifice.   NOT!  I found that
all seven summoned jackals were my pets!  Imagine, seven
jackals jumping around your every step, eating all of
the corpses that you left behind, and sticking to your
side like glue so that you can't escape them by going to
a different level!  Chad13 (Cannabalistic Humanoid Above-
ground Dweller), resigned to his fate, went to the next
level followed by his faithful horde of jackals.  After
plodding into Kenicek's Armour Shoppe Chad went over to
a likely looking set of scale armor.  In poured the
happy-go-lucky jackal pack . . . and soon each jackal was
picking up a different set of armor . . . and each of
faithfully followed Chad out the door!  In a nearby room
Chad inspected his spoils:  cloak of invisibility, +2 
plate armor, and sundry bits of clothing.  Oh what fun
to rip Kenicek blind for some good items and then sell
the unused sets of armor back to the SOB.  Chad13 even
sold the same set of +0 black chainmail back to the
shopkeeper twice!  Happy   Happy   Happy!   Joy   Joy
   Joy!  Can't wait for the next shop, if the jackal
pack lives that long.  Thinking about naming them
after Santa's reindeer.  Appropriate, eh?

--
       Kevin Soutor        | "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms!" |
 ksoutor@unlinfo.unl.edu   |               -- Outlaw Josey Wales  |
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: Buck Godot <bgodot@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Sacrificing
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:41:26 GMT

> 
> well, gee, as far as that goes, just use one of the wishes for a new
> wand of wishing..
> 

But it dosn't let you, it also failed for me to produce a scroll of 
recharging... oh well :), nice thought awayway...
 
 (won the game with the other day, got on the score list to, just dropped 
down to level two in wisard mode, stockpiled +10 everything, and a wand 
of wising with 127 charges... barely made it tho... lost my speed boots 
to a scroll of destroy armor, and got my WoW stolen by a nymph, who, 
search as I might never re-appeared... (nearly starved to death, I stayed 
on that level so long...)

Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: miikaac@evitech.fi (Carlas Miika)
Organization: EVITECH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:59:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Subject: list of funny deaths
Keywords: funny

I saw list of funny deaths in nethack few months ago.
If somebody has is, please post it to me.
-- 
Miika Carlas miikaac@evitech.fi
Espoon-Vantaan Tekninen Oppilaitos   EVTOL
Espoon-Vantaan Institute of Technology EVITECH

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From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: Bug in the code results in segmentation fault
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:10:36 GMT

I also get bugs with nurses. They have been known to freeze up and stop 
moving. They also show up even when out of eysight. I don't go near them when
that happens, just in case.
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From: ess3791@zeus.tamu.edu (Storm)
Subject: Re: Need Sage Advice!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.000531.22897@polari>, gregs@polari.online.com writes...
>After that, make as much holy water and you can and dip like crazy into
>fountains. 

How do you "make" holy water?

-Storm

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From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: 2 questions
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:10:28 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Question 1: How does one use a crystal ball?

Question 2: What is an osaku?

--
********************************************************************
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Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Rust Monsters ( Re: Various Questions )
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:55:04 GMT

Prince Of Darkness,Silent,Lucidity,. (chore@neumann.une.edu.au) wrote:
:also what's better bronze platemail or crystal platemail (he also
:found some bronze stuff too)??

crystal platemail.  Its lighter and has a better AC than bronze
platemail.  bronze platemail also has a worse AC than normal platemail.
But since it doesn't rust, it could be worth it.

--
+-----------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------+
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| (bill)          | Sunnyvale, CA USA             |                         | 
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From: Buck Godot <bgodot@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Djinni's
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Keywords: Magic lamps and glowing potions
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:12:13 GMT

> 
> >Do genie's only appear from glowing potions (whatever that happens to 
> >be in your game) ?  If so, that's a big drag if the glowing potion 
> >turns out to be poison or hallucination.
> 
> Yep, them's the breaks.
> 

 
 Do Genie's appear when you #Dip, or throw(and break) potions?, I think 
I'll do some experiments in Wisard mode about #dipping, and post an 
article...

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From: annak@microsoft.com (Anna Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: polymorph (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:09:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: Polymorph

In article <1992Aug18.214808.13420@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> paoletti@cps.msu.edu (David R. Paoletti) writes:
>
>My friend & I were just thinking that it would be nice to have an
>item that would let you control the polymorphing of other creatures.
>That way, you could turn your pet into that <insert favorite monster>
>that you've always wanted.  How about it, Dev Team?  A very rare
>wand of 'polymorph with control' with only a few charges max?
>

The spoiler swings!


One wonders whether wearing a ring of polymorph control and zapping something
with a wand of polymorph would not accomplish the purpose here. Somebody
want to check on this?

                         - Sh'k'anna.

-- 
annak@microsoft.com ** Angela Sh'k'anna Korra'ti
No opinion expressed above originates from Microsoft Corporation.
From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:47:10 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU writes:
>
>Now a question of my own -- do people really find cockatrices to be
>problem? 

They're about the 4th or 5th thing I genocide.  It's really frustrating
to have cockatrice re-stone you while you're eating a lizard or praying
to try to save yourself from the first stoning attempt.

>As for genociding, the things I take out are generally nymphs, nurses,
>xans, and umber hulks.

These things don't bother me at all:

nymphs: a wand of cancellation or missle weapons (darts, etc.) can take
        care of these easily.
nurses: I'm usually at a high-enough level that they don't really hurt me,
        and it bores me to try to gain HP with them.  (So I don't waste
        either a normal genocide or reverse genocide on them.)
xans: I usually have boots by the time I see them.
umber hulks:  They're great for removing walls in Hell, and for confusing you.
              (For scroll reading.)  I usually have a blindfold by the time
              I get umber hulks, so they only confuse me when I want.

The monsters I hate:

rust monsters: they usually get to me before I've rustproofed my helm, 
               gauntlets, and boots.  (I usually have a unicorn horn by
               the time I see them, though.)
ochre jellies: They do more damage than you think!
liches:        It's very rare, but also very frustrating to have your
               stuff cursed or disintegrated.

and, in hell, gelatenous cubes.  I *hate* it when they team up with minotaurs.

--David
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Blume            | "I got killed by monsters."                  |
| dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com | -- Why my roommate screamed out of nowhere.  |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: scott@nv10.uswnvg.com (Scott Eckelman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Leaving stuff behind
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:08:40 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Inc., Bellevue, WA

In article <92229.171134MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter) writes:
>
>Tips... hmm... all right, here are *my* suggestions for winning.
>    before he takes the amulet and curses your stuff, so the cockatrice came
>    in really helpful there.
>
>9 - If you leave useful stuff behind on levels, it may be handy to write
>    down where the best stuff is.

Whenever I leave stuff behind, I usually leave it within one step
of the stairs, especially food.  Sometimes, I'll stash gems in a
trunk that I know the location of, and pick them up on the way
out.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: angus@hardy.u.washington.edu (Angus the Demonchild)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Keywords: Elbereth, undead turning
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.173027.562@cunews.carleton.ca> 
wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>I've just played several games games with a valkrie.  For the first
>several games, I would wait until I got to xlvl 5, and then dip my
>longsword in a fountain to get Elbereth.  Each time, it worked on the
>first try.  On the last game I played, however, I dipped it in
>fountains over and over, starting at xlvl 5 until I died (approx xlvl
>11).  I never got Elbereth.  The only thing I could think of was that
>the longsword was blessed.  Perhaps the 'Murkey hand' didn't feel like
>blessing it again.  Any ideas?

You sense the presence of spoilers. -more-

If the Murky hand blessed your sword, but didn't give you Excalibur,
then the only explanation I can think of is that Excalibur already
existed somewhere else in the dungeon.  If the Murky hand never
touched your sword, perhaps it was cursed.  (I think that has an
adverse effect on your chance of being given Excalibur.)  Or maybe you
just were having bad luck.  Incidentally, receiving Excalibur should
not be equated with being named the Hand of Elbereth.  The latter can
only be gained through #prayer and only by a (lucky) Lawful character.

>Also, what is a wand of undead turning good for?   I've never been
>able to get any percievable effect from one.

It repells undead or demons of equal or lesser level than yourself.
Ghosts are immune, though.  It will also restore any corpse to life.
I use them primarily for their amusement value, slaying a human
zombie or mummy and then resurrecting them and #chatting with them...
or killing them again.  ;)

>Christopher Allen
>(wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca)
--
Disclaimer:  I could be wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

another fine product from the house of angst
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Rust Monsters ( Re: Various Questions )
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <1992Aug9.230047.22157@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu writes:

 > In a previous article, dannelly@eng.auburn.edu (Robert S. Dannelly) says:
[...]
 > >1.  RUST MONSTERS
 > >    Boy do I hate these things.  How do I get rid of them besides
 > >    using up a good wand at a distance or letting something else
 > >    kill them (pet or ring of conflict)?  I am tired of running 
 > >    away and there are better uses for a genocide scroll.

 >         Yah, I hate them too. Try throwing things at them, like
 > rocks or darts or daggers. Generally by the time you find a rust
 > monster, there are just piles and piles of crummy weapons lying
 > about. If you have a magic marker, genocide the suckers! You
 > can make more genocide scrolls.

Alternatively, use a blessed +20 two handed sword, or if you don't want
to cheat, use a crysnife.  It's not made of metal.  In fact, anything
that is not made of metal wont rust (I _think_ [but I'm not sure :] that
this includes stuff like Dragon armor and stuff...) when fighting a rust
monster.

But hey, look at it this way - at least they're open about it.  The
amount of ties I've heard a bloody mumbled curse and couldn't find the
bastard shaman... ;-)

Later!

Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH)
Subject: Re: chests, polymorph and other
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:32:10 GMT

>	Chests:
>	If you haven't found this out already, this is a good tip.
>	You can take things out of chests AND you can put things in!  Useful
>for keeping the nasties from picking up a weapon and making mincemeat out of
>you. 
>
>Happy hacking!
>Anjanette Fabian

Soone posted an easy and MUCH more effective way of doing this a while back.
Every time you have a weapon you are sure that you will never use again (all
those orcish daggers and crossbow bolts), you engrave them until they won't
write any more.  Then you give it a cute name so YOU won't use, and hope
some nasty finds it.  Few thing are more gratifying than:

The hill orc swings his uncursed -7 large black knife named Sucker! -more-
The hill orc misses.

Try it!
.
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: another dumb question
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:34:15 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Aug16.235330.2823@wixer.cactus.org>, trav@wixer.cactus.org (traveller) writes:

> last time this was discovered. <mjollner is the only evil artifact i can
> think of that Onan isn't lugging around>

(spoiler ahead)


















Mjollnir is a _lawful_ artifact. There are only 3 evil:

Stormbringer (broadsword)
Grimtooth (orcish dagger)
Cleaver (axe)


Adam Eberbach    Computer Science student, RMIT.   t9114145@phillip.edu.au
               "We don' need no stinkin' signatures!"
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Whistle Weirdness
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <1992Aug9.193623.6982@wixer.cactus.org> trav@wixer.cactus.org writes:

 > In article <713336872snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz> parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz >  writes:
 > >
 > >In article <1992Aug5.211913.20082@uwm.edu> dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
 > >
 > > > 2) If you convert the altar in a temple room to your own god, but the
 > > > priest is of a different god, does giving him money win favour with
 > > > YOUR god?
 > >
 > >I don't think so.
 > >
 > i'm pretty sure when you convert the altar it converts the preist as well.

No, it doesn't - at least, not on my version (IBM PC, version 30j).  I
always have altars to my God, and still have the other priests floating
around...  Pain in the ass, if you ask me.

 > > > 3) What is a crysknife, how do I make one, what good is it?
 > >
 > >Beast master knife.  Wastes things.  Kill a long worm, grab the worm
 > >tooth you find (_don't_ put it in your pack, unless you wants hassles
 > >with little ones popping out later :), and wield it.  Then read your
 > >trusty scroll of enchant weapon on it, and Bob's your uncle.
 > 
 > no no no no no. it's from Dune. hmm.. i never noticed a problem with
 > having it in a bag, you mean it drops out baby long worms? sounds like
 > you'd picked up some long worm eggs somewhere.

I know it's from Dune.  Doesn't stop the fact that you can also get them
in NetHack, and that it is indeed a Beast Master knife, and kills things
nicely.  You also make them in the way that I described... ;)

Could've been long worm eggs, but I honestly can't remeber - I'll have a
peer at the source code one day and find out!

Later!

Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?!
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:18:48 GMT

ahabig@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (Alec Habig) writes
>>With a high enough Charisma, a succubus is a good way to gain a level or two.
>How does this work?

if your chrisma is over 15 or so, and you have enough hp to take a blow or
two from the succubus, aproach here when she is acting friendly. sooner or
later she will ask you take off your armor. do so.

>How do you avoid getting roasted by an angry diety when you do this?

make sure that the alter in the room has been converted to your god. The 
priest will still remain loyal to his old god. Kick his ass, and hope he 
summons ants.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: Wanted...
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:40:20 GMT

Zap the porticalas w/ a wand of striking, then jump on in.