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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:06:40 GMT

In <BzH49z.1qG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>And do you want to back this one up while you are at it?  EISA was
>designed so as to allow Multiple PROCESSORS.  Let's see Zorro do that.
>Coprocessor doesn't count...it has to share memory.

Zorro did this since day one. Each A2000 supports multiple CPUs
hardwarewise. The 'coprocessor slot' which is not part of the
Zorro bus has the additional capability that it can replace
the motherboard CPU as the bus arbiter.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How does this HAM kludge work?
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:11:26 EST
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <10286@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.172420.8553@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Would someone please explain to me the trick behind this 'HAM' technique?
> 
	[HAM theory explanation deleted]
> 
> If you have the opportunity, get Fish disk 196. There are probably the
> best HAM6 pictures that exist. Now with AA and HAM8, you will see even
> more brilliant things: Here HAM can be considered as a very effective
> way to compress 24-bit (ok, or 18-bit) pictures down to 8-bit pics,
> with nearly no loss in visible quality, that's 67 % (or 55 %)!

	I've seen the HAM pictures on FF196 and they are fantastic.

	Now, are there any similar demos yet for the AGA machines?
	I want to see them!!

> 
> -- 
> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
> Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:08:50 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1gib3hINNn0l@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <71644@cup.portal.com> spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy) writes:
>>my dealer told me (and I used to work for him, so I can trust him, although
>>I always have doubts of his C= source, simply because I know C= all
>>too well) that C= will release an AMIGA next year (he said the time frame
>>was about 4 months from now) that contains the DEC ALPHA processor.  
>>Totally speculation at this point however
>
>   Fat chance. Do you even know what the power requirements for that chip are?
>It's not just big, it's HUGE. It's not going to happen. Besides, the chip
>itself is very, very, VERY expensive - not exactly something a company that's
>conscious about price would put in a computer.

And for performance you would need:

1 to 2 megs of 10 to 15 ns static ram cache.
A fast peripheral bus controller.
A motherboard that could run at 133 mhz.
A 500 watt powersupply.
A complex cpu and cache chip cooling system.
A specially shielded cabinet to allow it to be classified for home use.

etc.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Why WordPerfect is no great loss (was Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Apps)
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:26:08 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>In article <jayson.04h4@tbag.tscs.com> jayson@tbag.tscs.com
>(Jayson Phillips) writes:
> 
>>Sorry but Word Perfect is no great loss.  It takes a year just to learn how
>>to  use it by which time you could have gotten some real work done with any
>>simpler  word  processor...

>Unfortunately, the perception of the platform is often based entirely on
>the availability of software from large developers. Whether you personally
>find it ideal or not is of marginal concern. A well-designed, Amiga-specific
>(no spinning gadgets please!) implementation of WP5.1 would fill a
>significant void.

  If you really want availability of software from large developers, I
would give WordPerfect a miss and implore Microsoft or Lotus to do an
Amiga port.  Judging from the complete failure of WordPerfect in any
GUI-based OS, it won't be long before WordPerfect is as much a
laughing stock of the industry as WordStar is now.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lee@rose.brandeis.edu (charles lee)
Subject: Re: Stuck in Another World II/Flashback
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:54:39 GMT

adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics) writes:

>on earth.  It's a bar called paradise, and I need a key for a door.  There
>is a key in the bar, but its on the second level and there's no way to 
>get up there.  Am I supposed to keep a key from previous levels?  i 

Now, look at where the key is carefully. You see the glass wall right?
And to the right of it you see this spotlight, which happens to be on
the same level at the glass door. You guessed it... Grab onto the
spotlight, climb up and blast the hell out of the glass wall. The
lock on the other side is just a red herring! :)

/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Charles Lee                  :______/\_M_I_G_/\______:= FocuS GraphicS =|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~                  : for the Creative Mind :  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  |
| lee@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu :=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=: 2D/3D Graphics   |
| Brandeis University          :1 Universe, 1 Computer.: 2D/3D Animation  |
| Structual Biology Lab        :         Amiga.        : Rates negotiable |
\-------------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: Where is the Atari newsgroup?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:25:55 GMT

tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray) writes:

>In article <rjpogain.724034853@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
>> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>> 
>> >     Sorry for the unrelated topic, but I can not seem to be able of
>> >finding the Atari newsgroup.  Does anyone know what is the name of
>> >it?  I sort of need to fnd if a modem is available for the ancient
>> >Atari 800. (why not, the TI99/4A has a modem, the Vic20 has a modem).
>> >Thanks...
>> > 
>> >                                                 -TKH '92
>> 
>> Unknowingly, you have made a mojar point about the Falcon!!
>> You can't find the Atari group, and really, I'm not surprised.  Atari is just
>> about dead, and it's software and hardware support is almost non-existant.  
>> This just goes to show that while the Falcon may be sold to a few naive
>> people, us Amigans should have nothing to worry about.  The Falcon will not
>> be able to penetrate the Amiga's market as there is simply no support for it.

>The newsgroup is comp.sys.atari.st.  There's a whole string of messages that
>was crossposted to there and to this newsgroup, presumably to start a big
>flamewar between the Falcon users and the Amiga users.  One person's inability
>to find a newsgroup doesn't mean that the Falcon is dead.

>Speaking of finding things, you should look for your Return key and use it.
> 
>> Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
>> Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
>> Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
>> BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!

>Would you care to explain and defend these statements, or are you simply making
>these statements to annoy people?  You have illustrated one of my major dislikes
>of this newsgroup: People are very willing to make short-sighted, inflammatory
>statements with no basis in fact, often in the mistaken assumption that they'll
>force something to change.

>On the other hand, I don't want to start yet another stupid political argument
>that has nothing to do with this newsgroup, so maybe it's better if you don't
>respond.

>-- 
>Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org
>"Greetings.  This is Mr. Hanson.  I am your host."

Fair enough!

--
Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:35:04 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Dec14.184846.1256146@sue.cc.uregina.ca> courtn@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (todd courtnage) writes:
>On top of that, Interplay has set up it's first UK office, and will be
>producing/publishing it's own games (ie not thru EA, like in US/Canada).
>What this means is, we'll be seeing Star Trek: The 25th Anniversary game,
>Castles II: Seige and Conquest and Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space for the
>Amiga.  They have a sneak preview of Star Trek in the issue, it's been in 
>development since last July (although they weren't saying anything about it
>till they announced the UK office), and if the pictures are of the Amiga
>version is looks GREAT!  They're even adding improvments to the Amiga 
>version that weren't in the IBM version.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm overjoyed to hear that Interplay is still
alive, after all these years, but.

I thin those games suck.  As a matter of fact, I think MOST games
suck.  WCII was fun for a while, but it sucks.  Wolfenstein, is an
okay game, but it's very minimalistic in scope.

It sucks too.

No, I'll be blunt:

I've liked very few games, and very few games hold my attention.  Let
me list three of the ones that do, and always have, and I still
reminisce over:

Bard's Tale I
Bard's Tale II
Bard's Tale III

You got it, folks.  I don't give a DAMN what Interplay does unless
they come out with some kind of BT game.  Now I know that they can't
use the Bard's Tale name anymore, that's now stuck with EA.  However,
Bard's Tale III has never been topped.  Not by anything I've ever
seen, played, or even heard of.  Even Legend of Faerghail, the closest
thing to it, sucked pretty badly.

I'd like to see a BT-like version of AD&D games that didn't suck.
I'd like to see a BT-like ShadowRun, which would be kick-ass.
I'd like to see a game that could put Thief of Fate and Warriors of
Destiny to shame.

None have existed for years.  And it's been a LONG time since I've
played these games.  I miss them dearly, and I longed for a BT4.
Unfortunately, I think I'm doomed to never see it.

Greg


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From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Swedish King & Queen
Keywords: sweden, Amiga
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:31:16 GMT
Organization: a2i network

In article <1992Dec10.084356.18712@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>The swedish king and queen was seen at one of the big Amiga-stores
>in Stockholm this week. They bought three Amiga-games. Wonder if it
>was for the king (or queen) ?? The games was probably for their son
>who is around 13 (I think).
>

Huh! Some royalty!! In other countries they pay people to do that sort
of thing! ;-)

I bet Queen Elizabeth doesn't have to do her own shopping. "Excuse
me knave, do you have Leasure Suit Larry II?"
 

>So, I guess the king knows what a user-startup is :-)
>
>________________________________________
>/ Tomas Pihl
>/ ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden
>/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
S

mike

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From: jdresser@altair.tymnet.com (Jay Dresser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  4 Colour Interfaces :-(
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:09:53 GMT

In article <71259@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>Yeah, he and Wozniak used to sell the blueboxes that they built
>>door to door in their dorms... :)
>
>Speaking of which, whatever happened to John Draper?

As a matter of fact, I chatted with him the other day in Togo's.
Homeless.  Looking for a job.  Anyone want to hire him?

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko

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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Alpha Fun Fact #2314
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:49:42
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu's message of 15 Dec 1992 03:11:07 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Dec 1992 03:11:07 GMT, bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) said:

bloc1469> In article <1gib3hINNn0l@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:

>   Fat chance. Do you even know what the power requirements for that chip are?
>It's not just big, it's HUGE. It's not going to happen. Besides, the chip
>itself is very, very, VERY expensive - not exactly something a company that's
>conscious about price would put in a computer.

bloc1469> With the Alpha chip dissipating 20W of power, it gets hot.
bloc1469> How hot, you say?  Well, have you ever seen those little
bloc1469> Betty Crocker ovens for kids to bake cakes in?  Well, those
bloc1469> are 10-15W...

bloc1469> Buy an Alpha, the only laptop that gives you a hot-seat...

bloc1469> Greg

Indeed.  There is no reason not to have an Alpha in a Desktop if the
design takes the thermal properties into effect.  DEC does it.  Alpha
is also ready to go 3.3 volt but I imagine that the new chip sets are
still 5 volts anyway.

-- Andrew Hansford

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:26:30 GMT

In article <71527@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>Computer Chronicals, a weekly syndicated half hour series hosted
>by one Stuart Chiefet did its COMDEX/Vegas report show tonight...
>Commodore's booth got a couple of camera angles and about 15 seconds
>of air-time mention...
>the comment that stuck with me was when he said, in reference
>to the "multimedia" nature of this recent COMDEX, "Five years ago
>Commodore OWNED the multimedia market."

For those of us that have been around for some time, it's ironic that
when 'desktop video' and 'multimedia' became so highly regarded in the
Amiga community, they remained more of a curiosity to those in other
domains. At least it appears some recognition is being given to those
that had some foresight. I can still remember people saying "Colour
is only good if you want to play games." :).
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:15:02 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzFGyx.3JE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
  <92353.001516MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
  <BzH51o.2sD@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>>So what you're saying is, it's Apple and Microsoft trying to establish
>>a new (and rather clumsy, from what I've seen of it) "standard" by divine
>>fiat, not because of any particular advantage of said "standard."
>
>No, because there is an advantage in HAVING a standard.

Let me get this straight. There's no particular advantage in having
a bus standard (at least not for "old pros"), but there *is* an
advantage in having a movie player standard.

>C is by no
>means the best programming language, but because it exists, porting
>becomes easier.  English is not the best human language, but because it
>exists, me speaking to you is easier.

You asked a question about why it is a disadvantage to have many different
buses. I think you answered your own question.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: Evan J. Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT (was: 4 Colour Interfaces : -( )
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A74F7CD11F01004B@freethought.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:26:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:30:31 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07i4@amicol.UUCP> Paula Lieberman,
Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP writes:

>Most magazines DO review beta software -- the production versions usually
>aren't available with the lead time required for reviews to appear at the
>time the software is available.  

 I know (having worked for both a computer weekly, and a computer monthly 
in the past). It is still of dubious benefit to the reader to review a
beta 
version of software, however, especially when they go so far as to give
it 
a score (as InfoWorld did - however, the reviewer in InfoWorld was a 
well-know NeXToPhile, so it doesn't surprise me). 

 Both MacWorld and MacWeek, for example, have policies of not reviewing 
software or hardware until they have a shipping version in their hands.
For 
MacWeek, this usually means they have a leadtime of around three or four 
weeks (from the time some new hardware ships). For MacWorld, it means two 
or three months. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:51:44 GMT

In article <Bz5wFs.BMn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
> Who cares?  Who really gives a flying FIG if a computer that costs half
> as much for the processor/video card/sound
> card/motherboard/case/keyboard etc. needs more RAM and more hard disk
> space?

Half as much? You can get a perfectly good Amiga just for the money you spent
on your RAM. If you can sell me everything but the RAM for less than an Amiga
600 I'll buy it: I'm trying to put together a second UNIX box for hacking BSD
on.
-- 
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:38:30 GMT
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Rick Kelly (root@rkamiga.UUCP) wrote:
:
: [NT can only run on little-endian machines]
:
: >Have you actually seen these routines?  How can you make such statements
: >without really knowing anything about it?
:
: 1.  It's common knowledge in comp.arch and comp.sys.intel.
: 2.  I spoke to someone who has access to NT sources.
:

IMHO, if this is true, they *really* screwed it up!  I mean, I can't even
imagine what they did to make it so dependent on endian orientation.

:
: >Wow.  I guess some people are ignorant, and wish to remain that way.
:
: I guess you haven't seen the October Beta NT release crashing and burning.
: That's the release that the Microsoft people say is extremely stable.
:

No, I haven't seen the NT pre-Beta, but how can you judge the final product
from a pre-Beta, only released as a development kit?

:
: >Yeah, right.  And AmigaDOS is for people who think they are smarter than
: >everyone else.
:
: I have been involved with UNIX for over a decade.  I use Intel boxes to run
: UNIX at this time.  NT can't give me anything that UNIX doesn't already
: have, and in fact, it is missing a large amount of stuff that would allow it
: to be a replacement for UNIX.
:

Then again, it hasn't been released yet, and it's not designed to be a
replacement for UNIX.  People who need and use UNIX obviously won't give
NT a second thought, but PC users seeking higher performance for their
applications won't buy a RISC workstation unless it runs NT.

BTW, Rick, I apologize for my somewhat inflammatory post, and thank you for
keeping this discussion calm.

:
: Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
:
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