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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:38:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: Thank you for your patience one and all.
John Winston
From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: HK view of Ramakrishna
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:54:31 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

classics@crash.cts.com (Baruch Schwartz) wrote:
>Ramakrishna is regarded not only as a realized Soul, but as an incarnation 
>of Krishna.
>
>Ramakrishna himself indicated this to Vivekananda.

Yeh, I know- at his deathbed Ramakrishna said to Vivekananda,
"He who is Rama, and He who is Krishna, is at once Ramakrishna."
Im not arguing that Ramakrishna was God-realized, but I am not
convinced about taking the above quote literally. Some people
consider Rama and Krishna to have been direct manifestations of
God (ie. no evolution through incarnations). This would mean
that a literal interpretation of the above quote means that
Ramakrishna also had no previous incarnations. However, some
masters have said that Ramakrishna *did* have previous
incarnations, which implies that Ramakrishna was a specific
soul, a soul that did not incarnate as Krishna or Rama.

Sri Yukteswar once said to Yogananda, "Save a few mysteries for
later". This one is certainly a mystery for me which will have 
to wait (not that it is crucial for me to know anyways).

Jeff
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From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:44:23 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>  This place turned out to be up a certain canyon on Mission Peak near 
>Fremont, Calif. It turned out to be that this nest was made out of a large 
>tree that had been knocked down and then something had trampled down the 
>large branches of the tree and had placed smaller pieces of branches on top 

Isn't amazing how these new-age kooks never have cameras with them when they
go looking for something like this.  Or if they do, the pictures were
``stolen by the US Airforce Project Bluebook'' or some such hokey.

To quote from the book "Mountain Bike", by William Nealy:
``If you find yourself among a buch of New Age kooks, a skull cap hastily
constructed from aluminium foil will give the rider some protection from
geek-wave radiation!''

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: Satan is your friend !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:02:23 GMT

I wont even dignify this garbage with a reply
oops!

-- 
 MR Shannon Saltzman
 "Is doggie heaven kitty hell?" Stephanie phoenix(age 6)
 "How does teflon stick to a skillet when nothing sticks to teflon?"
 The words of Mike Warnke.
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:06:28 GMT

In article <69886@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>they couldn't see anything. They said the found a large nest about 20 feet 
>across that looked like it was made by a very large bird. They left the area.
>  I checked with my psychic advisor and he said that reports of Big Bird had 
>been in the newspapers lately and he didn't mean Big Bird of Sesame Street 
>on TV.  He advised me not  to go in alone and not go in at dark.

John, you weren't hit on the head by one of the 500-pound bird turds,
were you?

						-- K.
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Greys, Good, Bad, or Kibozotic
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:03:38 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins):
>It's his login name. John_-_Winston. As far as I can tell, he told
>the computer his full, legal name was "John-Winston"...

No; rather, he told the computer that his first name was "John", his
last name was "Winston", and his middle name/initial was "-".
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:02:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: I might add that Mr. Miller is a person who took a 
ride on a flat bottomed flying saucer in the past. He put down
a lot of information by ESP (except he called it tensor beam) and 
put this in a book called Star Wards. He and his group got so 
much trouble from certain people that the Solar Cross Group (which
consists of his friends and others) choose not to deal with the 
subject of UFOs any more very much. They are a very good group and 
I know some of their people in San Jose, Calif.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Greys, Good or Bad
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 08:23:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Greys, Good or Bad?
  Some people have been wondering if these Greys are good guys or bad. Please 
let me give you the information that has come my way on this subject.  It 
seems that the guardians who are responsible for this part of space found 
out that there was a group of people who had developed in one area of the 
intellect a little too far.  The Greys has become so far developed in the 
logic side of life that they didn't have any emotional side left.  They also 
had a digestive system that wasn't very functional either.  It seems that 
they use animal matter such as intestines, blood and what have you and 
subject this to a chemical reaction to come up with something they can 
obsorb.  My friend Harley Byrd calls it Bobcat Stew. It's not made out of 
Bobcat but it is what a Bobcat would like to eat. 
 The Guardians looked around to find a race or culture of people who were 
emotional and you guess it they picked us.  We are so emotional it's 
pityful.  We also have strong stomacks. If it doesn't bite us back we will 
eat it. 
  The next thing that happened was the Guadians opened up a network or system 
so the Greys could come through and make it to us.  The Grey made a deal 
with our government.  You give us technology and we'll let you experiment 
with our poeple and breed with them, just give us a list of how many you are 
taking and bring them back in good condition. This went along pretty good 
for a while until they started taking too many people (2,000) ever so often 
and not bringing some of them back. Now our government wants out of the deal 
and has started the Operation Awareness in which they are going to try to 
tell the truth to the public as to what is going on.
  Please don't think that this is something that I alone know about. This is 
all written up in magazines like UFO Universe and the government knows all 
about their operation. So I would say the Greys are not exactly bad. They 
have an IQ of about 300 and are very logical.  They consider us to be very 
much like one of our scientist thinks when he operates and experiments with 
a rabbit. Some of the Grey are really nice people but the ones we are 
dealing with are about like most of our scientists.
John Winston
From: davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Spirit in the light o
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:59:38 -0800
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In article <gate.1eoRTB1w165w@kalki33> !system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
>Could stand a more definite description of God, though.

  Hope you don't mind if I moved this last sentence to the front of my
response to your posting. But I think we can by-pass a lot of talking 
pass each other if we get right to the point and get some common 
understandings across. I'm hoping that addressing your point might 
help towards that end.

  So, I come from a place where the word "God" need not enter a dialog.
I also come from a place where I just don't think descriptions of God
work in most cases. They almost ALWAYS come across and are received
differently than what was first experienced. 

  For instance, lets take something simple like the experience of the
"aweness" one experiences as they come across a rainbow. It's the "aweness"
that strikes and moves one. The descriptions just don't come close to
what it was all about. With that in mind, through my eyes, the only
definite descriptions of God that, as experienced, is all that I can offer 
is that first, God is Love.  And second, all is God.

>What does this mean, "our Unity as One"?

  I'm not real sure, really. But right now, to me, it point's more towards
that place where we are all connected. Being a lover of God, "I" see that
place as being where we are all connected together by the omni-presence of
God. I feel this more from an experiential perspective. Not theologically.

  What about you? What are your thoughts about Unity? What comes across
for you when you experience Unity?
 
>DH>        Ecstatic Love is an ocean, and the Milky Way
>DH>        is a flake of foam floating on it.
>DH>                                        Rumi

>This quote would be nicer if it specified the object of the "ecstatic
>love". One must love God in order to feel real ecstasy. The sentiment is
>nice, though.

  This piece by Rumi was written while embraced within the arms of 
"ecstatic love", as you rightly saw. Read Rumi, you'll find that
his Beloved God _was_ his focus. I don't think one must always say
"God" when talking about the Divine. I feel that there is an attunement 
of ones being with an awareness, ie of God, that reaches far beyond what 
words can literally say. Rumi has a way of tricking ones awareness to open
up to another level of understanding with out saying the word "God", 
or for Rumi "Allah". 

  Thanks for responding. I think that that was a pretty good article that
I posted. But except for your posting, it didn't generate more talk about
"breath" and that relationship to the spirit of God. But that's OK too.
I learned a lot just writing about it.



		Two strong impulses: One, 
		to drink long and deep,
		the other,
		not to sober up too soon.
					Rumi


	David Hatcher
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From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle)
Subject: Re: Dolphin-Aliens?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:53:21 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Subject: Dolphins.

>Flipper 
>is really an alien from outer space and is here to share the secrets of his 
>own highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization with humanity 

Yet another of John's postings plagiarising popular science fiction genre.
The fiction about dolphins (and white lab mice) who came from outer space
to work among humans is from _The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy_.

Curt Roelle

"Goodbye...And thanks for all the fish!"  -- Dolphins in Hitchhiker's Guide
                                             
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From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Keywords: Reality / Truth
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:55:06 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:

>There seem to be several topics we have discussed here which can be regarded 
>as "just a matter of faith", simply because we do not have, and in some cases 
>never will have enough hard evidence. They will continue to be so, however 
>much we discuss them (or insult each other), until overwhelming *new* 
>evidence is produced. 

>These include:
>- the Kennedy assassination

Faith aside, there is significant evidence that Kennedy was in fact 
assassinated.  There were at least two reported occurrances within
a five year period.

Curt Roelle
(Not necessarily the opinions of clients or their customers.)
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Invisible Baby
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 08:03:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Invisible Baby.
 Well folks, we have had invisible fish, and invisible space people so here we 
go with an invisible baby.  It seems that a 26 year old woman has given  
birth to a baby who can disappear at will and crawl through walls!
 "We're obviously dealing  with a ghost",  said Dr. Margery Brandt, the 
child's pediatrician, told reporters in Amsterdam, Holland. 
  The little girl vanishes and reappears when you hold her. She can float in 
midair. 
 We've even seen her crawl through a wall.
  Paranormal researcher Benno Colson thinks the child is one of a handful of 
spirit entities brought into the material world by mistake. 
 A key question now is whether the girl will retain her spirit powers or lose 
them as she grows older.
 I am aware of five other cases of supernatural birth. In each instance, they 
lost their abilities or disappeared altogether.
 It's almost as if they had some sort of self-limiting mechanism to compentate 
for the fact that they were born into the wrong world.  
 "There is no telling what we might be able to learn from them," said Dr. 
Brandt. "I just hope it's all good."
  This is me (John Winston) speaking. There you have it folks.  I have a 
friend who told me the story about the magic hoes who is now going to send a 
copy of the book that deals with the subject over to a person who has been 
elected as the president of a country in Africa. He thinks this president is 
interested in these subjects, especially the ability of a person to back 
into a wall and es
cape.
John Winston.
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From: esi102@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Magician)
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:11:37 GMT


In article <69492@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>Dear Space People Watchers:  The people from other planets as far as
>I have been told will give a sun a name (some of them call our 
>sun Shan) and we are considered to be the third orbit from our sun
>unless you count Vulcan so we are the number three orbit planet of
>the sun Shan, except they don't use the same words for your numbers.
>John Winston. The people in our solar system use a inter planetary
>language called Solar Max. It's  sort of the same way we use Latin

Solar Max ??? that does'nt have anything to do with Fantastic Max does it ?
you know.. that cartoon kid who travels the cosmos in a toy space ship 
to save the galaxy, with his teddy bear robot ?

>as an international language. I will now close with solar language
>and say goodbye and may God be with you. Adona Vasu Baragus.

Diolch yn vawr ! 

is all I have to say.

Tim.
esi102@uk.ac.cov.cck
Dreams fade, but nigthmares live forever.

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From: nin15b63@merrimack.edu (THE WOLF)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: earth change communities
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

Does anyone have any solid info on communites which are forming, or have
formed, as means of happily surviving the current and comming earth changes?
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From: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:25 GMT

In article <69899@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Free speech is a great gift.
>John Winston.
  John, could you please use your free speech in ski.skeptic and alien
visitors. I would prefer to hear about peoples thoughts on GOD. Thats
why I subscribe to this group and not alt.aliens. Just a little
suggestion. People get mad at you (myself included) and I don't
like that. There's enough of that in the world already.

p.s. I do think you're funny sometimes (most times) and I promise
to read you in alt.aliens. 

p.s.s. but after all its only IMHO..............thanks Sandy

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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Reply to more on God reply to reallt reply to...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:01:46 GMT

What a mess(not that I didnt in part create it).
The more on God article posed new questions to which I will
not post answers(thank God) but even more questions(cancel the thank
God).
If we have not a set of beliefs,how do we evaluate other beliefs?
I have seen friends be so open minded that they lose sight of what
and who they are. I believe you are right,many christians(including
myself) could stand to be more open. I also believe we should not
form our own Gods according to our beliefs . I am far from what I
believe my God wants,yet I do not choose to change my God to justify
myself.
Is that a cop out? Where did I escape the judgement that I am commanded
not to lay on others? How can I be a hypocryte when only I stand accused
by my standards(that I believe God has set(but will forgive anyway)).

If this is a cop out then do not all our beliefs protect us from the
horrible massive confusion called life? Without beliefs(however temporary)
would not everyone be reduced to an insanity greater than the ones imposed
when we try to explain life through flawed beliefs?

"Really" was a useless attempt,made partially in arrogance,mostly in
irritation. Pay it as much attention as I payed the replys(I considered
them but did not consider them long).
I do not forgive the repliers as they did nothing that I didnt.So why
would they need (or even want) my forgiveness?
Shannon Saltzman
-- 
 "Is doggie heaven kitty hell?" Stephanie phoenix(age 6)
 "How does teflon stick to a skillet when nothing sticks to teflon?"
 The words of Mike Warnke .
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:47:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov20.012457.15976@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:

>[sarcastic skeptic post deleted to save electricity]

>Have you ever done any *real* research, or are you just talking through
>your hat?  Ever read J. B. Rhine's studies on the Bridey Murphy case?
>Ever read Ian Stevenson's stuff?  If you haven't done any real research
>into the field, I respectfully submit that your opinion is nothing more
>than that - opinion, and a misinformed one, at that.

[Pointlessly doubled signature deleted for space]

  Ed, there's no way to tell who you're talking to here - how can 
whoever it is answer you?  You not only deleted his/her post, you 
failed to refer to his/her name.


  BTW - you are wrong.  Have YOU ever done any research on this?  
"Bridey Murphy" is one of the best documented cases of cryptic memory
being mistaken for reincarnation on record.  Sorry.


-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
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From: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:30:05 GMT
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In article <mark.722078548@uk96sup> mark@uk96sup.uk.haus.com (Mark Aggar) writes:
>
>The only way, at this moment that you are going to prove for _yourself_ 
>whether or not the "past life experience" is a reality, is to go and have 
>yourself hypnotically regressed into a previous incarnation.
>
>With everything that I have read on this subject, each subject who has
>undertaken this regression *knows* that the images they are seeing or
>remembering are _NOT_ produced due to a vivid imagination - they are
>memories.
>
>So go on, you skeptics, If you don't believe a word of what is being written,
>either butt out or go and do some personal research!
>
There;s a very dangerous misconception here.  The fact that you feel as
though you "know" something does not guarantee its truth.  Subjects may
well *know* that the images they are seeing "are memories" -- but that
"knowledge" is not evidence to anyone else, and shouldn't count as
evidence even to the subjects themselves if they have any idea of what
their minds can do to them while they aren't looking.  Your memories--even
ordinary memories of everday pedestrian reailty--are
not factual records of objective truth, however much they may feel like
it.

Scott DeLancey
delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:06:46 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
>...and say goodbye and may God be with you. Adona Vasu Baragus.

Klaatu Barada Nicto!
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
From: al160184@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Max Enrique Sequeira Garza)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: OSHO
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:26:31 GMT

Anybody out there is a sanyasin? or an Osho simpatisant? It would be great to know. So you happen to know where the Osho Net can be contacted through this ?

	Thanks
			Dhyan Darpan


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Cayce's Pyramid
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:34:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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  <69900@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folk: Tomorrow I should have some time to do some more posting.
John Winston.