Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:10:07 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <4472@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>
>In article <MAX.93Jan6123704@frabjous.u.washington.edu>
>max@hitl.washington.edu
>(Max Minkoff) writes:
>>Next time you feel like flaming someone publicly, instead of showing all
>
>        Why?  I mean, why _shouldn't_ someone express themselves ?
>  Listen, I don't tell anal-retentive bozos prostituting themselves
>for the military-industrial complex not to make snide remarks about
>Secret Mailing Lists, do I?  Hell, no!  They've got a right to be
>obnoxious pinheads.  And *I've* got a right to flame 'em for it.

You're expressing yourself is making my experience here less desirable,
and I don't think that I am the only one who feels that way.  And I'm not
talking about when its me that you are flaming.  I come here to escape some
of the days realities, talk about the Dead, and share some smiles.  And
repeatedly over the years I've seen you flame folks publicly again and again.
Somebody posts something here that may be what you, or the group as a whole
considers 'incorrect'.  And sure as shit, what do we see, but Lou reaming the
guy or gal a new asshole.  Using words like 'anal-retentive bozo' and
'obnoxious pinheads' to describe them.  I can remember other choice vocabulary
which you have used in the past also.  Yet I logon here with the intention of
having a little fun, and I have to read your crucifixion of fellow net.heads.
I don't want to read this shit, and I think if folks felt you were worth
replying to they would tell you the same thing.  If you think that a person
is so wrong why embarass him in public?  Why not try to be a nice person and
either tell the person in e-mail, or followup to his or her posting treating
the person like they were a fellow human being and not using the worst possible
 adjectives you could find to describe them?

I don't want to tell people how to post.  I've flamed people myself in the past
 for telling others how to post.  But you don't treat joe.average.net.head with
 a different opinion than you like a human being.  You treat them like shit,
and I don't think that belongs here.  I've heard from others who feel the same
way.  Sure, you have the right to put our friends with different opinions than
yours down.  But I have the right to ask you to please treat others like you
would like to be treated.

Sure, my perception of what the net should be may not be the same as Lou's
perception of what the net should be.  I think most of us would like a
friendlier environment where one doesn't have to worry that if he/she makes
a mistake they'll receive a thorough reaming from wharfie.  Trying your
hardest to publicly embarass and name call a person is mean.  I want a nice
place here.  You can make fun of me for that if you want, but I'm going to
try my hardest to make that happen here.  I've been guilty in the past of
calling people names publicly, and putting folks down in public.  I may be
guilty in the future of doing so again.  I would ask you to take a few minutes
and think about the reasons for following up by calling somebody all sorts of
names.  What's the end result?  Does anybody benefit by doing it publicly
instead of privately?

Joe Doheny