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From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Please give your opinions...
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:50:16 GMT

In article <40576@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
.....
>	As far as "gaikokujin" vs. "gaijin" goes, the two words do
>not have a technical difference. But lots of people sense a
>difference in the attitude with which they are used. Bill Lambert is
>right - it's just the attitude with which a certain person uses the
>word. However, "gaikokujin" may sound better because that is the
>word used in all official documents so the nuances balance out.

 [1]  "Shosen gaijin wa Nihon-go ga heta dakara..."

 [2]  "Shosen gaikoku-jin wa Nihon-go ga heta dakara..."

   Does [1] sound more offensive?

>	I HATE being called "gaijin-san". How would you like being
>called "Mr. Japanese", or "Mr. Alien"? It's the same thing.

   "Yoso-mono" would be the closer concept to "alien."

   I wouldn't be offended by "Mr. Japanese" as long as it's used in an
friendly manner.

>I personally have never been called "gaijin-san" in anything other
>than a condescending voice, or by people saying something like "see
>that other blond guy over there, you guys must know each other,
>huh?". I just think "gaijin-san" is a silly word, it sounds like a
>kid talking.

   Does it mean to say that my mother, who calls my American/British 
friends as "gaijin-san", is as silly as a kid?

Mom:   "Hora hora, ano se no takai gaijin-san, nante ittakke nee."

Me :   "Aa, Ralph-san?"

Mom:   "Aa so so. Raruhu-san wa itsu Amerika ni kaeru no?"

    So,... what's silly?


   The reason why I've been trying to correct the wrong "gaijin" myth is that
this misunderstanding could cause an unnecessary conflict between innocent 
foreigners and innocent Japanese. 
   If you can tell the intention of the speakers from their attitude or
voice, it might be better not to attach a biased nuance to a "neutral" word 
beforehand. More simply, tell your friends to be offended when Japanese showed
a condescending attitude instead of telling them to be offended when
Japanese use the word "gaijin" to them.

Michiaki Masuda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: ms0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Michiyo Shinoda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: IS this
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:40:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <gate.89kVTB1w164w@cyberweb>, GunBuste@cyberweb.UUCP writes:

>So, anyone like the new pop group in Japan...they're
>call "TUBE", their music is really nice....gotta
>listen to them!!

If you're referring to the "TUBE" which I'm thinking, I don't think it's a new
group at all...

may s.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:52:08 GMT
	<JJAS.92Nov2225628@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu> <7412@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: blamb@hri.com's message of 3 Nov 92 21:53:05 GMT

In article <7412@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

 =}Next, I never heard of anyone being mugged, raped, or murdered with
 =}poisonous gas or explosives made from bleach. Have you? Please stop
 =}the specious arguments that guns are the same as cars, or household
 =}cleaning agents are just as dangerous. You might as well say that
 =}people could be killed by being buried in 10 ft. high pile of
 =}Cheerio's. The argument is just as laughable.

   Last time I checked (12-15 years or so ago) many more children were
dying from imbibing bleach than from guns...  Those children's parents
might not appreciate your laughter...

 =}Ah ha. Well... I take a little less dark view of things. Especially the
 =}implications that cultural diversity makes society less civilized.
 =}The inability to accept cultural diversity is uncivilized, not the mere
 =}presence of it. Perhaps the presence of so much violent crime has set
 =}a tone of distrust among the various cultures among us, such that the
 =}acceptance of diversity is thwarted by fear. This fear is a force of
 =}dis-civilization... not dis-civilization creating fear.

   I totally agree with this.

Al
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Article by Emperor Akihito
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:45:04 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 4 Nov 92 21:05:49 GMT

In article <Bx7MLp.Gr1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
  (David Williams) writes:

 =}The article was impeccable.  I wonder how much and what kind of help
 =}he received from the advisors he lists at the end.

   He might even have read the thing :)
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From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: What about Korean, Taiwanese in Internment?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:24:37 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <2094@hsdndev.UUCP>, rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275) writes:
> 
>    Recently the topic about the internment of Japanese-American during WW II
> are posted in soc.culture.japan. Many Japanese knew about it from NHK TV 
> program, a comic, or some novels in 1980's. (Maybe we don't perfectly 
> understand their hardships.)
> 
>    By the way, I have a question now. What happend on Korean and Taiwanese
> in USA at that time? Were they also interned?  I geuss they might be interned,
> because they were officially Japanese at that time. If so, how were they
> treated in internment camps? How was the relationship with Japanese in the
> camps?

	I don't think there were too many Taiwanese in the USA at the time
first of all.  Secondly, they were not Japanese, but were colonized by the
Japanese, there is a big difference.  I would suppose the Taiwanese, if any,
would probably have been classified as Chinese because of their mono-syllibic
last names. 

	If there were any Taiwanese immigrants, they would probably stick
with the Chinese community when they arrive.  I can't see them declaring 
themselves Japanese, since those who were able to leave obviously hated the
Japanese control.  Also, for those who wanted to leave probably can't, so
they were stuck back in Taiwan doing slave labor.   Moreover, the Japanese
community in US is as closed as in Japan, they probably discriminate against
the Taiwanese and the Korean anyway.  So there will be no point for the
Americans to classified these people as Japanese since they were not in the
first place.    

	From reading about this part of history.  Some People of Japanese decent
in Canada avoided internment and relocation, by changing their last names to  Chinese last names.  Yes, the Japanese-Canadians got it worse than the Japanese-Americans.  

	No flame wars.  Some Chinese people have class.  

- Chung Yang

> 
>    Could anyone tell me about it, if having any information?
>    But I'm afraid this article cause a new flame war. This is just my 
> curiousness, not for flame war.
> 
> 
> ********************************
> *      Hirokatsu Watanabe      *
> *------------------------------*
> * Mo^karimakka?  Sapparidesuwa *
> *         Maido Ookini         *
> ********************************
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:51:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <Bx7z7I.GAx@ncifcrf.gov> by masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda):

>   If this were an another-Japanese-tourist-mugged-in-Manhattan-because-he-
> recklessly-stepped-into-a-dangerous-area kind of incident, I might think
> it rather understandable. The reason why this incident is taken so seriously
> in Japan is that Japanese cannot understand why it happened in such a
> supposedly modern, civilized, and well-controlled part of the country
> and why an ordinary citizen can cause an undeserved death to an innocent
> youth so easily.  

I'm starting to understand the problem here.  Within reason, Japanese tourists
are entitled to go IN PUBLIC anywhere they damned well please.  There is no
such thing as a place Japanese don't belong, or anybody else for that matter.
It seems illustrative of something that you could find victim culpability in
merely being in a public place, while NOT finding culpability when somebody
tries to enter a private dwelling.  Why don't you give that a bit of thought
and tell me what you come up with.



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From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Splitting soc.culture.japan
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:23:11 GMT

I see no reason to split soc.culture.japan.  If we can put an end to the 
Louisiana thread and obliterate racist comments, we'd have a decent 20 or 
30 messages that would be interesting.  I would, however, like to be much 
better informed about current events in Japan and am always disappointed 
that headlines from the papers or other current issues are not discussed 
in as much detail as I'd like to have.  Just my 2 yen :-)


k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:36:21 GMT
 .jp> <5855@balrog.ctron.com><7424@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

The news article I read indicated that a 14? year old boy squirted a man who
then shot the boy. The man was not a cop.

But that might be a different incident in which case I am not real inclined to
want to visit the Boston area.

smittie
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From: t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Try it again - RE: Please give me your opinions...
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:04:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Sophia Univ., Tokyo, Japan

In article <1992Nov11.201915.12614@midway.uchicago.edu> ar12@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I just thought I'd take this opportunity to invite anyone interested in the
>issue of U.S. - Japanese trade/economic relations to join our mailist.

Andre, I really enjoyed your propaganda.  It's amazing a man who
has so much to talk about knows nothing about it.  Please feel
free to spread your grand illusion throughout the net -- it's
America.  Ahem, sorry, it's usenet.

BTW may I hope that people sensible enough to understand comments
expressed in this newsgroup won't take his comment seriously, or
am I expecting too much?

>oppinions. Let me aslo add that our current membership consists of a
>large, and very diverse group representing many of America's finest
>industrial and academic institutions- any of which would disagree
>with Mr. Yamashiki's evaluation.

Oh, like what?  I'd really like to know what kind of people is
involved there.  That surely gives me an idea of the nature of
the group.

    Tsuyoshi Yamashiki, lost boy in cyber space.
From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Govt (Was: New era in American politics....)
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <jwb.721281240@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>, by jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen):
| What Japan could do with is some electoral reform which resulted in
| people having a real choice. The highly malapportioned multi-member
| electorate system in Japan has meant a locked in arrangement of a
| permanent governing party and a permanent opposition. Changing either
| to a PR system (e.g. like Germany), single member with transeferable
| voting (e.g. Australia) or even first-past-the-post would work wonders.

I wouldn't recommend the wonders worked by first-past-the-post.
But what I'd like to know is how Japan's multi-member electorates
work.  Transferable votes?  Or, to put it another way, what's wrong
that an equitable redrawing of the electoral boundaries wouldn't fix?

Ross
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.160300.13613
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

An news item that actually has something to do with the title:

In this morning's "SuperTime", the father of the dead student
was asked what he thought about the grand jury's decision. It's
from my memory so it may not be exactly accurate, but he basically
said:

"Dou iu joukyou datta no ka ha wakarimasen ga ... nandemo kandemo
 juu de kaiketu shiyou to iu taido ni ha, ikari wo kanji masu nee ..."

("I don't know what the exact situation was but ... I feel anger
  toward an attitude that everything can be solved by a gun ...")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.164217.4311@news.yale.edu> watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) writes:
>In fact, jurisdictions which have very restrictive
>firearms ordinances frequently have absolute and outright bans on
>less lethal weaponry.  The reason for this is the NRA (National Rifle
>Association [of America]) and other groups are a powerful force
>protecting firearms possession and there are no comparable groups
>which similarly protect citizen access to other weapons.  If it
>weren't for the NRA, instead of arguing about "assault weapons" we
>would be arguing about air rifles and BB guns (as they apparently
>already are in Massachussetts).

Never mind air rifles, most places don't allow you to carry a
baton around. Or tonfa or nunchka (sorry about the spelling).
Shows you what the police would like to do to firearms if
there weren't an organized resistance.


-- 
My opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Why is this question even being asked? (Re: What about Korean, Taiwanese in Internment?)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:49:17 GMT

In article <2094@hsdndev.UUCP> rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu
(Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275) writes:
>   Recently the topic about the internment of Japanese-American during WW II
>are posted in soc.culture.japan. Many Japanese knew about it from NHK TV 
>program, a comic, or some novels in 1980's. (Maybe we don't perfectly 
>understand their hardships.)
>   By the way, I have a question now. What happend on Korean and Taiwanese
>in USA at that time? Were they also interned?  I geuss they might be interned,
>because they were officially Japanese at that time. If so, how were they
>treated in internment camps? How was the relationship with Japanese in the
>camps? ...

Mr. Watanabe, you've been reading too much of Shintaro Ishihara's propaganda.

But seriously, only the Japanese-Americans were interned.  At the time, there
were even some Chinese-Americans wearing placads saying, "I'm not a Jap."

I could make a moral judgment here, but I won't.  I will say that I
am awfully surprised by the large number of Japanese who can give
detailed descriptions of America's failings as a society vis a vis
discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry.  One individual even told
me about the plight of the American Indians.

What is strange is that the microscope under which America is viewed
by the Japanese has several times the magnifying power of the microscope
under which Japan is viewed by the Japanese.  Whenever I point out, for
example, that Japanese textbooks mention little about the atrocities
committed by the imperial army in Nanking, the only comment that they
seem to have is, "Well... The gov't wants 'it' that way, so shikata ga nai."

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From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Kyushu Basho (Day 1)
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:58:10 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

Welcome back to Sumo! The tournament started yesterday at the Fukuoka Kokusai
Center with a string of major upsets : two out of three ozekis and three out 
of four sekiwake lost their opening bout. In the most awaited match, Takahanada
was facing Kushimaumi, who once had glorious days as a college wrestler. Anyway,
the tachiai was not very exciting and the two were soon in the middle of the
dohyo. Taka tried to move in to change grips, but Kushimaumi countered,
locking Taka's left arm in his right elbow, and finally spinning him around
and off the dohyo. In another major upset, Takatoriki eventually managed to
push Konishiki off the dohyo after a relentless series of pushes. The big
Hawaiian appeared strengthless. He retired from the tournament today because
of a knee injury. In another upset, Kyokudozan, who managed to hold his
komusubi rank against all odds in September, beat ozeki Kirishima. After the
tachiai, both wrestlers were in the middle of the dohyo when Kyokudozan
pushed hard forcing the ozeki to the rim. The latter was off-balance, spun
around on one foot and stepped out for a rare "hikkake" loss. Akebono was in
danger of losing his first bout as Tochinowaka had him at the rim after the 
tachiai, but the Hawaiian brought the fight back to the center and then 
easily forced his opponent out. Musashimaru was never in danger as Misugisato
slipped in front of him and crashed after missing a slapping technique.

Winners		Losers

Kbeppu		H'kuni
Ktsubaki	W'Y
KasugaF		Kgaume
KiriN		Toki
Kiraiho		KF
Kinazuma	T'nami
Tatsu		Ogi'H
DshoY		Tama
Toyo'U		Mai'U
TomoeF		K'W
WHda		Dzen
Dshoho		Tmisugi
KN		Terao
Wshoyo		Mito
Kita		Aki'S
KuSU		THda
Musashi		Misugi
Kyoku		KiriS
Akebono		Tochi'W
Ttoriki		KoN

Today's main bouts :

KiriS		KN
Terao		THda
Musashi		Dshoho

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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47 COLLEGE STUDENTS IN RO
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:33:11 GMT

despite the bogus robertson msgs., japan still isn't polite or peaceful
within. in real news, the recent case in point is the riot of unskilled
labourors who are basically used by the Yakuza. When they can't make enough
kozukai to live on and riot, the same Yakuza let the police deal with them.
***SARCASM MODE ON
After all, they can't be really good people. Otherwise they would have btter
jobs.
***SARCASM MODE OFF

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a7657@mindlink.bc.ca.


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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:30:49 GMT

In article <BxIIxw.61x@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
>  This exchange student case is a tragedy caused by misunderstanding, but
>it can also be viewd from a different angle as a restirction of Yoshi 
>Hattori's right (to live) before his committing a crime. If that is
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If the facts of the case have been reported accurately, Mr. Hattori
committed at least two crimes before being shot. He committed trespass
and prowling. I don't think either is sufficient grounds to use deadly
force, but many Americans consider trespass a very serious offense and
prowlers are uniformly *assumed* to have hostile intent. The most serious 
mistake Mr. Hattori made was to continue to prowl about the premises after 
being rebuffed at the door by an obviously frightened, and screaming, woman. 
That prowling turned out to be a tragically fatal error. 

A classically American sign seen frequently in the rural South is one that 
reads, "Trespassers will be shot on sight." The *law* in most states
requires a person to be in fear of their life before they can use deadly
force. But, in practice and by *custom*, defense of home territory rarely
causes prosecution even if immediate fear of death is not involved. A
recent case in Georgia illustrates this. A man heard someone prowling in
his garage late at night and shot the person through the connecting 
glass doorway. It turned out to be a neighbor who needed a wrench to
repair a washing machine. The man had previously told the neighbor that
she could borrow tools any time she needed them, but obviously didn't
expect this to happen in the middle of the night and without asking.
While the man was not reasonably in immediate fear of his life, and
the facts showed later that he had no reason at all to fear the prowler, 
he was nevertheless *not* prosecuted for the shooting. The police decided
that this was an accident of mistaken identity, IE they *assumed* it would
be acceptable to shoot a *real* thief, and that the man reasonably *thought* 
that's what he was doing.

Gary 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:43:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.023758.29727@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>	It turns out that the homeowner was indicted by the grand
>jury today.  If convicted, he could get a sentence of up to 40 years.

It's worth noting, that a conviction by a Grand Jury simply means
that _some_ evidence of criminal conduct exists, to justify 
legal action against someone. It neither that says the accused is
innocent, nor guilty.

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder

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