HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.024612.5736@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	You *just* *don't* *get* *it*, do you?  (This is a rhetorical
> question, we already know that this is the case...)
> 
> 	I didn't lie.  You claimed twice that I did.  You don't have
> any proof to counter me, except "I don't agree, but I can't say anything,
> so I'll call him a liar, and keep doing so until he backs down."
> There's really no response to such a tactic - I certainly can't track
> down the person I talked to on a Saturday in Harvard Square and get
> a signed affidavit for you.  Nor would I, given your behavior.

  Actually, you are the one who is saying that I called you a liar.
I only alluded to that in my previous post. I can only fathom what
mental process produced your little "transcription" of what went 
on in Harvard Square. If a person indeed said these things, then he
is not a libertarian. Unlimited majority rule is not a tenant of any 
brand of libertarianism that I have *ever* seen.
  You are correct though. I do doubt the veracity of your claims.
They are so out of character with any libertarian thought I have
ever seen that I can only guess that you either made it up or
mangled what this guy said beyond recognition. Either way, I
have to doubt your intellectual honesty.
  As far as addressing "issues", you have proven yourself to be
completely irrational on this point. A content free slam like
your "conversation" does not even deserve anything more than 
exposing the strawman for what it is. If you cannot see beyond
that your strawman argument then it is probably hopeless.

> 	As for the continual namecalling, this coping mechanism
> you've developed doesn't work outside of most school playgrounds.
> I suggest you cultivate something a little more mature.

  Hon, I suggest you run to the bathroom and look in the mirror
for about 20 minutes. Your current little spree of ad hominem
against half of this group is pretty amusing. If you don't like
ad hominem attacks, perhaps you shouldn't practice them yourself.
  All you look like now is a crybaby.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Seattle "Boogie Against Bigots"
Date: 01 Oct 92 01:23:49 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: pnw
Keywords: Fundraiser OCA NoOn9 Seattle Dance
Summary: Fundraising dance for No on 9

[Forwarded announcement of a Seattle fundraiser for No on 9]

    Well if you have been wondering what you can do to battle the
    hatred and bigotry that has arisen in Oregon and sure to spread
    to Washington if it wins in Oregon then here is something that
    you can do and you don't even have to leave Seattle.
    
                            BOOGIE AGAINST BIGOTS
    
    A local group of people is sponsoring a fund raising event on
    Saturday, October 17th from 8 p.m. to Midnight (mark your
    calendars).  This is an event that you don't want to miss, not
    only is it an excellent opportunity to help fight the bigotry in
    Oregon it's also an excellent opportunity to have FUN.  So if
    you don't normally go out dancing and even if you do then you
    should plan to come out and kick up your heals or just come and
    meet people, better yet get a group of people to come with you
    so you'll be sure that there will be people you know.
    
    So what will take place you ask, basically it will be a "good
    ole fashion "no frills" dance party" to quote one of the
    organizers.  There will be a $5 suggested minimum donation at
    the door (of course if you give more no one will complain - all
    the money goes to that wonderful organization "No On 9").  Beer,
    wine and soft drink will also be available for a suggested
    donation ranging from $1 - $2.
    
    	Where:		Seven Star Women's Kung Fu,
    			1316 East Pine,
    			Capitol Hill Seattle
    
    	When:		Saturday, October 17, 1992
    			8 p.m. to Midnight
    
    then all you need to do is show up at the door, give your
    donation then boogie your life away.  Mark your calendar now and
    watch for further details in the future.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: Extended Sex
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:43:06 GMT

    Message-ID: <1992Sep26.163814.2385@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> 
    From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

    >I don't know how others feel about it, but I find that the current need  
    >for safer sexual practices, and the subsequent requirement that certain  
    >acts be avoided or the appropriate precautions taken, really affects the  
    >way in which sex is experienced. While the "quckie" is not really  
    >compromised, other than for the few seconds one must chase that little  
    >rubber thingy that keeps flying across the room, the extended /  
    >transcendental / ultra-cosmic sexual experience is seriously hampered by  
    >having to be conscious of procedure and the restrictions involved. 

I actually take the opposite view:  it is the "quickie" that is affected
most.  Nothing like a mad hunt for a condom to deflate the fleeting
romance of a sexual impulse.

Consciousness of procedures and restrictions is not a hindrance to 
sexual experience; on the contrary, the precision of their execution 
becomes part of the experience.  

    >such experiences, which ideally require the release of all the 
    >inhibitions associated with modern life, are not really part of 
    >the sexual buffet.

It's not really a matter of how many different things you can (or cannot)
do, but doing what you do well.  Chess is not a lesser game because
of the "restrictions" on what players can do.

    >On a more complicated level, the rhythms of sex can induce a trance-like  
    >state which, if one carries it as far as it will go, can lead one into  
    >some very strange realms. [...]

    >Fortunately, (or unfortunately as the case may be?) John is generally  
    >awake for these episodes, which allows him to discreetly prevent me from  
    >doing anything potentially hazardous to my health. 

States of altered consciousness do not have to be states of carelessness,
though the most common ways people in Western societies do it (alcohol), 
it often is the case.  But in your case, I see no reason you could not include 
automatic use of a condom in your trance?

David Christopher Rogers

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:35:30 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>Jeff Dauber?  Dauber?  Are you a member of the Cabal?  You ain't no
>>Jezibel.
>>Certainly no Dolphie.  JackOff, no. Queer without a Clue, no.  Melinda, no.
>>Donna Who, no.  Yes, indeed.  Who?

>Matthew, motss has a history longer than the 4 weeks since you were hired
>at Apple.  FWA was resting.

	No, Steve, we all *think* ew've existed longer than four weeks.
That's part of the virtual reality programming that Melmouth put in
to this.  See, in the Melmonocentric universe this is all his creation,
and nothing *exists* until Melmon summons it.  Right, Matthew?

	Sort of like a 1-D Star Trek Holodeck.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:48:41 GMT

richard@apple.com writes:
>I am but a messenger.  *I* did not write the article.

Perhaps not, but one has to wonder about your motivations and/or
goals in reposting it here.

>Now go away and hob-nob with your follicle-obsessed boyfriend.  Has he
>played the "Dress Up the Eamonn Doll" yet?

Since you have of course been slurping up my every word here on
soc.motss, you will already know that Phase I: The Hairstyle has
already taken place.  Phase II: The Clothes is due to take place
tomorrow.  The future of Phase III: The Weight-training is still
somewhat in doubt, and I am afraid Phase IV: The Nosejob is a complete
non-starter.

>We're anxiously awaiting the results of The New You, dear.

Further news on my _relookage_ as it happens.

,
Eamonn Patrick McManus
man came: romantic spunk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:02:00 GMT

In article <10478@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

>In <1a5p78INNhde@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>>What's the (non-speculative) evidence for including:
>>> Emily Dickenson                        author
>>> John Milton                            1608-1674, British author
>
>As I should have explained, I have no evidence, I'm simply compiling what seemed
>to be accepted motss specualtion that I've saved over the last year or so. It 
>may well be wrong. Do you have any reason for believing they're hets?

No, but this paragraph contrasts rather gratingly with this one, from
your original post:

> I've taken out the doubtfuls, the speculations and the 
> did-it-once-but-I'm-het-now, crowd as not interesting.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: No on 9 rally, Portland, OR
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:25:54 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <43641@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>>There were 10,000 people there
>>It stands as the largest gathering in the history of Pioneer Courthouse
>>Square

	This is the place that had Powell's Travel Store at one corner
and a Starbucks' coffee at the opposite corner?

BBC
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: This Ya Gotta See
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <72893@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
 
|> Little as I like Mr. Anderson, this is pretty horrid.

Motss always has one bozo.  Let me guess, you are the current one...


FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: decot@cup.hp.com (Dave Decot)
Subject: Re: e e justin
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:33:20 GMT
Organization: Make a Wish Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

: >: If people want to place their ourselves "mainstrease.  
:                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
: I like this word.  Let's come up with a meaning for it. 

An enzyme required for forming unimaginative opinions.

Dave
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 04:51:23 GMT


In article <43222@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark
Morrissey) writes:

>In article <1992Sep26.024447.2207@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>You really do have admirable qualities, Mark.  Perhaps, if
>>the NSF proves stingy, some sort of private funding could be
>>found to develop your theories.  

>Did I ever tell you that I am a season ticket holder to the
>Portland symphony and think that the harpsicord is actually
>rather sexy?

Well, private concerts *have* been known to happen.  If by
chance you can read music, page turners have to sit rather
close.

>>(be sure to bring your photo albums, I'm certain
>>they contain useful experimental data).

>Oh yes, most definitely.  I even have a picture of young Nelson
>on a hiking trip from some time ago.  The first time I met him
>in person, actually.  And while it is a good picture, it isn't
>nearly so nice as the GIF of him in the mirror or the rather
>naughty picture I have of him from the con.

Well, Nelson could be on hand (and so forth), which would
be rather a lot nicer than any picture (I do love tableaux
vibrants, um, vivants).  I have the mirror GIF ...

>But we were talking about *John* now, weren't we?

...  and a nice GIF of the exhuberant John as well.  Is it
that there isn't one of you, or just that I don't have it?
Well, I have a Nikon, a Minox full-frame 35mm pocket camera,
a Polaroid Spectra, and a video camera, so I think we can
manage in the image department.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Faggots
Followup-To: alt.end-of-the-world
Summary: HYDROGEN BOMB ATTACK (part I)
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:31:20 GMT

[right after SIOUX METHOD OF CRACKING BLACK WALNUTS, BUTTERNUTS,
HICKORY NUTS AND HAZELNUTS comes IN CASE OF A HYDROGEN BOMB ATTACK YOU
MUST KNOW THE WAYS OF THE WILDERNESS TO SURVIVE.  there are four main
points, point 3 of which has seven sub-points.  today i pick out
sub-point 3f...]

Have a half pint of iodine, a year's supply of laxative and 100
bufferin tablets. If you live in an area where biting flies and
mosquitoes abound [*great* verb, "abound"] have a year's supply of
bug dope and ten yards of bug net.

[exercise: fill out the mental universe in which the iodine, the
laxative, the bufferin, and the bug dope and bug net have a natural,
reasonable, and graceful place.  perhaps we should move to PRAIRIE
DOG BAT MASTERSON, or even (gasp, richard!) BELGIAN SQUIRREL...]


Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Followup-To: soc.conservation.prairie-dogs
Summary: PRAIRIE DOG BAT MASTERSON (part II)
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:05:04 GMT

[i don't know how to bring you to this first sentence.  it makes
me ache so, every time i read it.  feel with me.]

     Take a wiener and split it open lengthwise.  Take ground sage and
rub plenty of it intob the slit [OOUCH!] and onto the sides of the
slit.  Place the wiener in an oven and broil until done.  Take a bun
[really, this is just *too* perfect] and on one side of it put mustard
and thinly sliced dill pickles.  On the other side sprinkle it well
with Worcestershire sauce.  The sage, mustard, and Worcestershire
sauce blend together to give you a sandwich with a wonderful taste.
Be sure to try this wonderful sandwich at your first opportunity.
[well, i *am* partial to sandwiching.]  It makes the usual [????]
catsup [???????] and mustard wiener sandwich taste very poor in
comparison.

[the man is solid on the sage/mustard/salty-sauce front, however.
hmm...has anyone tried putting mustard on your lover's nipples,
and then waiting a bit before licking it off?  yes, i know, soy
sauce on the belly, such a *cliche'*...]


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:59:04 GMT

 glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>So what could we do with "Parkinson" and "Ouzts"  ...?

Hmmm.  As long as we're casting these upon the waters, what on earth
could one do with "Seebacher" and "Winnig"?  (Anyone who says "Winbacher"
is invited to step into GGGrandma's parlor for punishment. :)) 

This is a problem because we do plan to have children, and don't know
what the hell we'll do about names.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I bought a dog the other day...  I named him Stay.  It's fun to call
   him... `Come here, Stay!  Come here, Stay!'  He went insane.  Now he
   just ignores me and keeps typing."  --Steven Wright
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:43:47 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct3.210702.3236@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>Are anchovies out? 
>
>Didn't he say he was vegetarian?

Well, perhaps a pesce-vegetarian (pronounced "pesky vegetarian").

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:45:36 GMT
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <66807@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Ry Schwark snivels:
>>In article <1992Sep28.150043.9025@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>>>MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION 
>>
>>I knew you were a *PERVERT*, but I had no idea you were so depraved. 
>>Unless you meant you wanted to have Thai instead.
>
>Absolutely not.  I vote for Italian.  A nice plate of pasta would
>be perfect.

Whatever else the case may be, George and I could sure eat in the same
place.

Ry, (who is just pissing because I didn't give him more whacks on the
knuckles with the chopsticks the other night, because the nasty thing
was going to enjoy it if I really let loose), you must not have
been paying attention.  We DISCUSSED Thai food that very night.
I rendered my ignorant opinion: it's all SQUID.  No, you were
paying attention.  You and I discussed squid.  I have seen you do
things with squid that would make a good republican cloth coat
go pale.  Yet you claim to disdain them.

Ooops, gotta goo - the delivery person from Yen-Yen is here.

-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:42:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.230304.15411@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod 
Williams) writes:
>> pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) writes:
>> 
>>At the same meeting, there was a persistent rumor that you are a small
>>person (causing Jack to write your name in lower-case and lose a bang).
>>I tried to convince people that we Dutch don't do small, except
>>in circuses.  When you take that picture, be sure to include a
>>measuring rod.
>
>Why do people keep dragging *me* into this thread?

Well, if you don't want to be held against him to show long long, I mean
tall, he is, we'll just have to find someone else.

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:02:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct3.000245.25659
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I don't normally like to respond to people being this stupid, but I
feel libeled:

In article <1992Oct2.184745.27510@gallant.apple.com>
mcmelmon@taligent.com (Matthew C. Melmon) writes:
>Nelson surprises me in e-mail with a textbook example of the Liberal
>Wannabe Intellectual mantra: a random sampling of society doesn't
>count, because they are 'mostly stupid people.'

this is a misrepresentation of what I said, as well as being taken out
of context. If Mr. Melmon had asked my permission to say this, I
would have requested that he did not.

I will not answer any other questions about this on soc.motss, because
it's really not appropriate

ObMotss: I've gotten some nice supportive e-mail in response to my
posting about the murders in Salem. I'm stressed with school, and I'm
stressed with Measure 9, and having people that are similar to me
being randomly murdered because of what we are is a bit hard on the
soul. Your mail means a lot to me.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                            Love under will
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:08:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct6.040850.19267
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct5.230141.14935@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>I think Jeff Dauber says some pretty sensible things about everybody
>deciding where to draw their own lines.

yes, indeed. He's saying all the things that I would like to say, only
I'm too busy to bother.

>Nelson's response [to Arne] might have been a shade intemperate

no, not at all. I've been waiting for a chance to say "Fuck you" to
Arne for weeks now. He's just so e-fuckable.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/  Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 10:15:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct2.121837.22522@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson), the notorious
pedant, corrects:

> In article <1992Oct2.030453.25445@syacus.acus.oz.au>
> brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>
> >What about "Schrei"? That's the Yiddish word for "scream".
>
> German.

Also Yiddish.  Well, OK, it's not spelled "Schrei" in Yiddish.
Is that what bothered you, Snookums?  The Yiddish word for
scream is written:

              XXX  XXX  XXXXX   X  X  X
                X    X      X   X  X  X
                            X   X  X  X
                xxxxxx      X   XXXXXXX  

Is that better?

Arne
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:59:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep26.024150.1818@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>      BIRDS SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS
>
>     Saint Thomas Aquinas was born in 1225 and died in 1274.  He was a
>very brilliant kindly man, an Italian by birth.  He enjoyed eating
>immensely.  [nice ambiguity of division there.]  He became so heavy that
>his stomach kept him so far away from tables that he could not reach his
>plate.  He was practical as well as brilliant and kindly and quickly
>solved his problem...
>
>[ok, kids, what would *you* do here?  solve saint tommy's problem
>and win a free pod.]

I'd have some nubile slave boys (well, humpy hairy slave men, to be more
precise) feed me with their fingers.  Non angli sed angeli.

-- 

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