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From: tnelson@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Anthony Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.research
Subject: Forming A Research Group
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:42:29 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
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    My name is Tony Nelson. I am involved in forming a research group,
    an experience quite new to me.  We will doing research into 
    real time systems, distributed systems, parallel systems and using 
    AI'ish (heuristic) techniques in these various systems. 

    We would appreciate any comments from people who have been through the 
    process of establishing research groups.
    Also we want to get some outside ( industrial? ) interest in our work and 
    would appreciate and hints, suggestions etc that you may be able to offer 
    from your experiences. 

    How should we approach industries ? 
    What is the best protocol for publishing papers (ie. is it better to go 
    for journals first or technical reports etc. )? 
    Suggested organisational methods etc. 
    Any DO's and DONT's ?

    Thanks
    Tony Nelson


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From: stryker@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.research
Subject: Projections..
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:26:43 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software
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% This isn't really OS research, but research about OSes.  But, considering
% the predictions about NT (tm) taking over the world and everyone  having to
% use Windows (tm), I think it might get an interesting discussion going.
% --DL

I am trying to get a feel for the workstation market and how it will look  
in '93.  Has anyone come up with projections for Windows NT?  I'm looking  
for round numbers estimating the number of machines that will be sold with  
various operating systems, particularly those running Solaris 1&2,  
SCO-UNIX 3.2, and NT.  I'd also like to find out what I can about NeXT  
and how they will fare next year.

I am new to the research game, and would appreciate any help in this area.

Thank you.

-Ryan
From: Silvano Maffeis <maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch>
Newsgroups: comp.os.research
Subject: bibliography: distr. systems and replication
Date: 26 Jul 1992 04:07:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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Originator: osr@ftp


My small bibliography (about 100 entries) containing recent books and
tr's on distributed systems and object-replication can be found on

claude.ifi.unizh.ch: pub/bib/{distrsys.bib,distrsys.ps.Z}

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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: GCC OS-9 on a Sparcstation?
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:32:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <firby.712341106@avarice.uchicago.edu> firby@avarice.uchicago.edu (Jim Firby) writes:
+I'm looking for the support code necessary for me to create a Gnu CC
+that will run on my Sparcstation and create OS-9 modules that can be
+downloaded to an embedded controller.

The support required is to develop a assembler and linker pair to
take  GCC output and create OS-9 modules. The current 1.40 gcc
'native' compiler only generates OS-9 style assemble code, which is
compatible with MOTOROLA syntax. The *NIX sun4 environment however
only has 'gas' or sun 'as' which are both varients of MIT syntax. It
is a non-trivial task to convert one to the other.

Furthermore, the sun tools expect BSD style a.out exec module format
which is completely different from OS-9 exec module format.

However, probably a tool could be written to generate OS-9 exec
modules form a.out. But then, the current gcc's on the sun3 generate
'Position Independent Code' badly, said to be fixed in the future.
But then you have to fix up the variable reference stuff, but could
probably use the native OS-9 source as a guide.

The most recent gcc is available on:

hermit.cs.wisc.edu

-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: zmodem
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:51:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

John.Arthur@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (John Arthur) writes:

>   I've been trying to use the rz program for the Coco on a local Coco 3 
>board. The zmodem download works fine to a PC or 68k based machine, but
>doesn't work to a Coco. I'm using xcom9 and accessing a shell to call
>the rz program. The syntax I use with rz is "rz </t2" as described in
>the documentation. I'm also using the version of rz for the SACIA driver 
>which I am using. Has anyone else had problems with zmodem on a Coco?
>   John

I've never used ZModem on the CoCo, but I have on my MM/1, and my command
line syntax is slightly different than yours. I use "rz <>/t2". It is
my belief that rz needs access to standard output to send acks and naks
back through.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: dibble@microware.com (Peter Dibble)
Subject: Re: POSIX
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:45:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.082745.28242@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> gjm@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>In article 12045@microware.com, dibble@microware.com (Peter Dibble) writes:
>>I don't make or state policy, but I think we have said OS-9000 will
>>have Posix 1003.1 support
>
>Does this mean that OS-9/68K will NOT have POSIX.1, or does your
>reference to OS-9000 include OS-9/68K? If not, does this mean that
>Microware now see their premier product to be OS-9000 rather than
>OS-9/68K?

We are working hard on BOTH operating systems, and have no plan to
drop or even deemphasis either one.   Even when one OS gets
the majority  of our attention for a while we pay close attention 
to spin offs.  OS-9 and OS-9000 are so similar that much of our 
work on either OS applies to the other as well.

There are differences.  OS-9000 is written mainly in C so it is easier
to experiment with some things there.  OS-9 only needs to run on
68xxx-family processors, so it can make a number of non-portable 
assumptions.  

We are playing with Posix for OS-9000 first because it is much easier to
implement fork on an OS that only runs on processors with MMUs.
We are considering Posix for OS-9 too, but it is a subject for
long technical debates.  Posix will do OS-9000 very little harm.
It would be hard to add Posix support to OS-9 without making the
kernel bigger and slower for everyone...even those who have no interest
in Posix.

Our parallel OS work is also concentrated on OS-9000.  OS-9000 was 
designed after we started working on a parallel OS, so it incorporated
some important features in its design.  Still, if parallel OS-9000 is a big
hit it too might migrate to OS-9.

Our OS-9 work is close enough to delivery that it is more developement
than research.  Chatting about that stuff had better wait until
the marketing folk do their thing.

...Also, we actually support more processors under OS-9 than OS-9000.
OS-9 supports the 68xxx line.  (I think) OS-9000 supports the 68020, 68030,
80386XX and 80486XX.

Peter
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: GCC OS-9 on a Sparcstation?
From: firby@avarice.uchicago.edu (Jim Firby)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:31:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I'm looking for the support code necessary for me to create a Gnu CC
that will run on my Sparcstation and create OS-9 modules that can be
downloaded to an embedded controller.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Jim
From: James_Matson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (James Matson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: MM1
Distribution: world
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:30:48 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Did they ever start making MM/1's with other cpu's? (68030 or 68040   [I
think those are the one there was talk of]  )
How much is the base system, and do they still sell that grafix thing (16
million colors and all that) and how much is that??
thanks

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: carl@syscon.rn.com (Carl Kreider)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Syscon Corporate Headquarters - South Bend, IN USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:11:43 GMT

manent@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:

>I'm in dire need of assistance!

>This is my dilemma.  I need to make a bootable OS9 on eproms for a remote
>system.  When I have the basic modules, it works fine, but when I add the
>modules needed to telnet to the remote system, I keep coming across the same
>error...  "Can't install trap handler"   *****cio******

>Does anyone have any idea what's the cause of this error?  I would greatly 
>appreciate it.

Sounds like you don't have cio rommed.  But that is pretty simplistic.

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From: kt@keihh.hanse.de (Kei Thomsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: FAQ ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.094659.10941@chicco.sea.sublink.org> ugo@chicco.sea.sublink.org (Ugo Cei) writes:

>... Every program I tried gives me the following error message:

>Shell: can't execute "J". Error #000:216

>What am I missing or doing wrong ? I put the executables in my CMDS
>directory or in /dd/CMDS and give them execution and read permission,
>but I can't understand what is going on.

If you are in /dd/CMDS, then the 'sh' try to execute this program as a
Shell-Script. The "J" is the first byte in the programheader.
Change you Directory to /dd and try it again.

>Also, I found very little documentation about installing the TOP
>package. Is it sufficient to copy its directory structure to my hard
>disk and if so, where under ? Should I run startup.top to init it ?

Oh no. startup.top is a sample of /h0/startup .
                   /\
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                  |{}|
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                  ||||
 Wildermuthring 90 || kt@keihh.hanse.de
 2000 Hamburg 62   || 
 Voice 040/5205921 ||    OS-9 68030
 Modem 040/5200428 || 
 (2400 Baud)   ,---||---,
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From: ha@mst.hamm.sub.org (Postmaster)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: Help me !!!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:03:57 GMT
Organization: {mst} Modulare Software Technik, Harald Groene

tardif@chicoutimi.ulaval.ca (Pierre-Martin Tardif) writes:

> Hi!
>   I really don't what I'm doing wrong but when I compile
> my program, I get a lot of errors and a sample of these errors
> follows:
> 
> >l68: error - operand size error.
> >The value of symbol 'BC' ($2c3cb) is too large for a word operand.
> [stuff deleted]



Include the line "CFLAGS = -K=0LCL" on top of your makefile and 
'make -u' will generate correct code.
The flags force the compiler to generate 32bit code and data offsets
for an 68000 CPU.
			cu
				Harry

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MM1
Keywords: MM/2 68030(i think) nope (kd)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:26:41 GMT

Paul M Fitch writes:
> I own an MM/1. The Basic system includes the palette chip. They had to
> redesign the backplane board, to handle timing differences between 1MEG
> and 4Meg simms, but that is ( I think) extra<g>.

It's ~$90 for the replacement backplane which has sockets for two 4meg SIMMs.
The original sockets were designed to meet prelim 4meg specs (before chips
became available), but the chips changed after final board production began.
I hear that Apple and other computer makers ran into the same thing.

> Kevin Darling has had a 68030 system since last years AtlantaFest, and
> Paul Ward has talked 'hush-hush' about plans for a 68030 MM/2 system.
> The 68030 system KD had/has did NOT have a VSC graphic chip on it.

The 030 card doesn't, but I still have an old VSC/audio card in that box.
However, its only relationship to the MM/1 is that it originally had an 070
cpu card, and the first VSC software was developed on it... so it's not an
MM/2 prototype.  More like a one-off upgraded MM/1 prototype, if even that.

I think the most likely next step will be to take care of all the current
MM/1 owners by offering some kind of inexpensive cpu upgrade, probably to
a 68340 (~3 times as fast as a current expanded MM/1 070 system, according
to tests done on that 68340 demo'd at the last CoCo fest; plus nicer DMA).

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
From: paulfitch@emtwo.UUCP (Paul M Fitch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: MM1
Keywords: MM1 OSk
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:24:34 EDT

 I love mine. Have had it for almost a year now. The sound output is terrific, and the graphics
are quite good, even on a CM-8 monitor.

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From: ha@mst.hamm.sub.org (Postmaster)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: looking for smail source
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:03:57 GMT
Organization: {mst} Modulare Software Technik, Harald Groene

Hi,

I'm trying to get the TOPS e-mail package working on OSK.
Everyhing works fine, but smail doesn't pass an address to uux.

The call of uux is      "uux -r -a=user - system!rmail ()" 
instead of              "uux -r -a=user - system!rmail (address)". 

If this is not an Installation bug, I'd like to get the 
sources of smail (OSK version). 

    Does anybody know where to get them?

                    Thanks in advance
                                Harry


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: manning@halley.est.3m.com (Arthur T. Manning)
Subject: Gnu Cross compiler tools
Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:04:35 GMT


Grateful thanks for those that provided useful information.  Now
for some more detailed questions of general interest:

from hermit.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/OSK/GCC/README.first :

>
>This directory contains the GNU C and C++ compilers  (gcc  and  g++)
>for OS-9/68000.
>
>Gcc was first ported to OS-9/68000  by  Atsushi  Seyama.  The  files
>...
>
>The files in the BIN directory contain executable versions of gcc
>and    g++    prepared    by   Stephan   Paschedag,   stp@ethz.UUCP,
>...
>
>The    files    gcc-1.37.1-osk-README,     gcc-1.37.1-osk-bin.tar.Z,
>gcc-1.37.1-osk-doc.tar.Z    and   gcc-1.37.1-osk-src.tar.Z  in the BLAKE
>directory  contain executable programs, documentation and source  code  for
>gcc.  They were prepared by Julian Blake, blake@cernvax.cern.ch.
>...
>--- Jim (pruyne@cs.wisc.edu)

Does anyone care to share any comments about or experience with these
three versions of gcc?  I would hope that the OSK user community could
settle on *one* version for all the world to use and improve.

What I really would like to see is a portable gcc cross
compiler/debugger that runs on both my sun SPARC and hp SNAKE.  We
need it to run on the Os9 embedded system only for field service
'quick-fixes' in the factory after installation.

Arthur
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From: SysOp@zog.UUCP (Zog the Monster)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: zmodem
Summary: Zmodem on the Coco
Keywords: zmodem, rz, sz, coco
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:52:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Zog's Cavern BBS and the OS9 Underground - StG Net International


In a previous message, "John.Arthur@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com" writes:
>    I've been trying to use the rz program for the Coco on a local Coco 3 
> board. The zmodem download works fine to a PC or 68k based machine, but
> doesn't work to a Coco. I'm using xcom9 and accessing a shell to call
> the rz program. The syntax I use with rz is "rz </t2" as described in
> the documentation. I'm also using the version of rz for the SACIA driver 
> which I am using. Has anyone else had problems with zmodem on a Coco?
>    John
>  * Origin: BB's Place [612-869-7752] Mpls MN [1:282/102]

No, not at all.  I've use zmodem on my Coco both from SuperComm (V2.1a) and
have had users on my BBS use it with no problems.  In fact I've had some
comments from many users that the efficiency (of zmodem) was much better
calling my Coco OS9 BBS than most IBM boards.

What version are you using John?

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From: ETM_DAVIDD@vd.seqeb.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: ****purchasing os9*****
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:10:02 EST
Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board

Hi!
I'm writing on behalf of a friend who wishes to purchase a copy and get some
programming information on os9. He is wanting to use it in a control
application.

All our investigations in Brisbane, Australia have turned up a block!!

Any information on possible dealers or support groups in Australia or oversea
would be greatly appreciated!!!!

Thanks in Advance!!!!!


David de Jong
Brisbane Australia

+ 61 7 223 5906		work		Email : etm_davidd@seqeb.gov.au
+ 61 7 878 1363		home
+ 61 7 267 6295		fax
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
From: heilpern@microware.com (Mark Heilpern)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.095710.3013@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> manent@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>This is my dilemma.  I need to make a bootable OS9 on eproms for a remote
>system.  When I have the basic modules, it works fine, but when I add the
>modules needed to telnet to the remote system, I keep coming across the same
>error...  "Can't install trap handler"   *****cio******
>
>Diana Manent
CIO is the name of the "character I/O" trap library, which many programs use
rather than contain their own copies of certain I/O related functions. telnet
is one of these, and apparently, you have not included CIO in your roms.

If you are also including your own executables, they may be instructed to
use the CIO trap module by including "-i" on the cc line, and will save
around 15-20k in size. (cio is about 18k, so including the trap module for
just one program is useless, but for more than one program, you can see
great benefits.)

Good Luck,
Mark Heilpern
From: gjm@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (g.j.milne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: ANSI-C Delivery Date
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: gjm@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Any word on the release date of ANSI-C yet?

Also, does anyone have any idea how Microware's "new compiler
technology" will impact on support of other boards?

Ciao!

Gordon

S.E.R.C. Daresbury Laboratory, Warrington, WA4 4AD, United Kingdom.
e-mail     : g.j.milne@dl.ac.uk (INTERNET)  g.j.milne@uk.ac.daresbury (JANET)
Opinions expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my employer!
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: Re: FAQ ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul20.094659.10941@chicco.sea.sublink.org> ugo@chicco.sea.sublink.org (Ugo Cei) writes:
+First of all I would like to thank all the kind people that answered
+my query, in particular Douglas Kemp who sent me the FAQ list. I have
+now downloaded from hermit most of the OSK and TOP directories, but
+haven't been able to use none of the executable programs I got. Every
+program I tried gives me the following error message:
+
+Shell: can't execute "J". Error #000:216

It's the old 'shell is smart enough to recognize that it cant
execute 'J' as a script command, but too stupid to try 'exec'-ing it
as a real live binary module'.

The fix is to use the 'attr' function to mark the file as
'executable', and in some cases use the 'load' function as in:

$ load -d recalcitrantFile
$ recalcitrantFile ....

There are several hot buttons of the things provided by Mw which
cause me to issue the 'shame on you' line, the standard 'shell' is
one of them. But now for a 'small' fee, you can have Mshell which
has some fancy features (I don't know if the noticing that a file
with the module header is in fact a binary executable, and runing it
accordingly is one of them).

I don't know if the 'TOPS' offering has a better one. I've
tried to stick to the standard OS-9 tools, since I have customers
who will be asking questions relative to those tools.

>
>What am I missing or doing wrong ? I put the executables in my CMDS
>directory or in /dd/CMDS and give them execution and read permission,
>but I can't understand what is going on.
>
>Also, I found very little documentation about installing the TOP
>package. Is it sufficient to copy its directory structure to my hard
>disk and if so, where under ? Should I run startup.top to init it ?
>
>	Thanks a lot again,
>				Ugo
>
>-- 
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>Phone: +39.382.538.021  Fax: +39.382.538.023  E-mail: ucei@sea.sublink.org


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From: manent@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.os9
Subject: NEED HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:57:10 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

I'm in dire need of assistance!

This is my dilemma.  I need to make a bootable OS9 on eproms for a remote
system.  When I have the basic modules, it works fine, but when I add the
modules needed to telnet to the remote system, I keep coming across the same
error...  "Can't install trap handler"   *****cio******

Does anyone have any idea what's the cause of this error?  I would greatly 
appreciate it.

Thanks.

Diana Manent