HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Stupid bumper sticker
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: hsv
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:50:35 GMT

In response to my post (Dwight D. Brantley) writes:
> 
> I wasn't referring to the bumper sticker. I was referring to his Intelligence
> Quotient; as demonstrated by his use of a cellular phone while his vehicle
> was in motion!  :-)   :-)

Well that can be a problem, but have you ever saw how many people in this
area read the newspaper while driving to and from work?  I used to drive a big 
van and saw MANY MANY idiots doing just that.  Some would fold it up and
hold it against the steering wheel while others would lay it in the passenger
seat---and almost never look at the road.

> 
> O.K.  So now everyone with a cellular phone is going to flame me.  Go ahead!
> I like arguing this point!

Besides you can always "consider the source" right?  I haven't been flamed
on this newsgroup for awhile so I guess I'm due.  :)

> 
> Dwight "Why can't everyone drive as well as me?" Brantley
> 

OK, if you insist I'll lower my skill to match you.   SO THERE.

Larry


Newsgroups: hsv.general,ingr.general
From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Unwise wisdom teeth
Keywords: recommendations
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:09:50 GMT

james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock) writes:

>with all this talk about dental care, i though i would share a
>secret. I go to a farm animal vet for my dental work. The rates
>are cheap, no waiting in sterile anterooms, no obnoxious parents
>with kids, The anesthesia is really powerful, but I never feel a 
>thing.

Wow! Moooooooove over Doctor Dale!

k
Newsgroups: ingr.general,hsv.general
From: 3808@b30.ingr.com (Barry Wilson)
Subject: Re: Stupid bumper sticker
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: hsv
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:35:35 GMT

>I wasn't referring to the bumper sticker. I was referring to his Intelligence
>Quotient; as demonstrated by his use of a cellular phone while his vehicle
>was in motion!  :-)   :-)
>
>O.K.  So now everyone with a cellular phone is going to flame me.  Go ahead!
>I like arguing this point!
>
>Dwight "Why can't everyone drive as well as me?" Brantley
>
I have a cellular phone in may auto, and I use it all the time while
my vehicle is in motion.  That's why they put it in the car!  If I 
wanted to sit and talk somewhere, I would drive up to a pay phone, park,
and use it.  Think about it!

Now for the fun part.  I have a hands free phone.  All you have to do
is concentrate on your driving, and talk.  Sorta like talking to someone
who is in the car.  Have you ever talked to someone in the car with you?
It is rude not to.

One time, I even chewed gum, and talked on the phone while driving.  Cool.

Barry Wilson
From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: Grow up!!!
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 12:49:11 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Dec 16 07:36>, Jeff W. Hyche (1:373/12) writes: 


 >This I find hard to believe.  

There are a lot of things in life that are hard to believe.

 >First of all,  a system operator of a public BBS is not capable
 >of prosecuting on felony grounds, that would only be a civil
 >suit.  Not hardly a felony.  A felony requires a District Attorny
 >to file charges.  I realy don't think any DA worth is sheep skin
 >is going to waist the courts time because 'Jo Rompers' didn't give
 >you his full legal name for you board.  

The district attorney is the one that supplied me with the information on 
the laws. The laws were passed due to an occurance several years back RIGHT 
HERE IN HUNTSVILLE. Beleive it or not, it makes no difference since it is 
the law.

 >The only grounds you have to persecute on is civil, then the
 >burden falls to you to prove malace intent on the part of the
 >user.   

Actually they can be prosecuted under more than one statute. Annoyance 
calls can be prosecuted too. Anyone accessing a computerized information 
system through fraud or deceit is guilty of a felony. Even if they don't 
beleive it, or know about the law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 >I don't recall any laws that would require a user to give you his
 >full real name and real phone number.  The right I have to my
 >privacy of my home number and name out weights you right to know.  

Actually there are no laws that require you to give out your name or phone 
number or anything else. However, if the operator of that system clearly 
states that such are required for access, and you answer with false 
information, or repeatedly attempt to access the system without answering, 
the law is quite clear. Nobody is forcing you to call, remember? If you 
don't want me to know your home phone number or real name, then don't call. 
It's that simple.

 >It is legal to call yourself anything you want too.  The only
 >time you can be persecuted of not giving out your real name is if
 >you intent to fraud someone out of something.  Then it comes
 >under federal jursticition.

Exactly! Accessing a computerized information system through fraud or 
deceit is against the law, and is indeed a felony. Ask the local DA, I did.
 



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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Grow up!!!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:06:38 GMT

Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce) writes:

>It's sad that I went through two years of hospitalization to get this 
>kind of abuse from Ken Putt on this echo and John Emmert on the Alabama 
>echo. It's even sadder that they are so closed minded that they don't 
>realize that people DO change. I guess that's the way they see people 
>and they see life. So they can continue with their little lives dealing 
>with their small minds, All I can say is...THAT'S SAD!! 

boo hoo. sniff sniff.

>I am willing to forgive but no one can ever forget.

You've always been SO willing to forgive YOURSELF. And you think that that's
all that matters. Pathetic.

Ken

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From: random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: Grow up!!!
Reply-To: presto!random@uunet.uu.net
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:47:20 CST
Organization: I'm Just Me.

In article <6603.2B2C3F33@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, John Emmert writes:

> should however, be aware of the fact that a system operator that asks for 
> your real name and real home phone number is perfectly capable of 
> prosecuting you for a felony if you give false information. Just thought 
> you should know since you haven't been convicted of anything......
> 

This I find hard to believe.  

First of all,  a system operator of a public BBS is not capable
of prosecuting on felony grounds, that would only be a civil
suit.  Not hardly a felony.  A felony requires a District Attorny
to file charges.  I realy don't think any DA worth is sheep skin
is going to waist the courts time because 'Jo Rompers' didn't give
you his full legal name for you board.  

The only grounds you have to persecute on is civil, then the
burden falls to you to prove malace intent on the part of the
user.   

I don't recall any laws that would require a user to give you his
full real name and real phone number.  The right I have to my
privacy of my home number and name out weights you right to know.  

It is legal to call yourself anything you want too.  The only
time you can be persecuted of not giving out your real name is if
you intent to fraud someone out of something.  Then it comes
under federal jursticition.

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 in the darkness.           \\ //  UUCP: ...!uunet!sci34hub!presto!random
 Dreamers learn to steer     \X/ 
 by the stars."
From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Norris's law!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:39:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

I read your law and that is one law I respect and understand!

                         NORRIS RULES!!!!



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From: John.Blumer@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Dave Luce
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:35:19 CST
Organization: Micro Magic

It is true Dave did some despicable things a couple of
years ago, and he claims he was mentally ill when he did
them. He also claims he has had treatment. My attitude
is cut the guy some slack. The mentally ill can be
cured. That does not mean you shouldn't watch him like a
hawk. But until he does some thing wrong again, I am
ready to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I am
being naive and maybe you are letting the past rule your
thoughts. Only time will tell who is right.
 



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Rights
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:51:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

Sort of off the subject, Did you know that prisoners have more rights 
than a patient in a psych hospital?



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: grow up!!!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:57:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

-> You've always been SO willing to forgive YOURSELF. And you think that
-> that's all that matters. Pathetic.

Ok Ken, I forgive you too



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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Laws
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 12:44:52 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Dec 17 14:44>, Dave Luce (1:373/7) writes: 


 >I have said it once and I'll say it again..if this sysop friend of 
 >yours wants to press charges, let him do it..it works both ways..Think 
 >about it

Poor Dave. Empty meaningless threats. You do seem so unchanged for someone 
who has had "two years" of treatment for your mental problem. Personally I 
don't believe a word you say, since it all sounds so familiar.




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Newsgroups: hsv.flame
From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: sorry
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:24:46 GMT

Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce) writes:

>First of all I was the one to open up and tell the truth. 

Only after it was obvious you were a lier and you had no alternative.

>Not some rightous fool like you.

Sad...and unfortunately, exactly the response I expected.

>and as for friends, I do have friends. I'm glad I don't have or need 

I just hope someone gets the word to them before you start in with your 
crap and hurt others.

>Yes Ken I did apologize before I went into the hospital to 
>you and yes I did open up to you. So grow up...

NOT! After the truth came out, you NEVER mentioned it again. You  acted
like it didn't even happen. You did just what you're doing now. Acting
like just because you got caught and the truth came out that now
you're redeemed with the people you've offended. Wrong. But then, you've
ALWAYS had a problem with that "Right vs. Wrong" thing haven't you?

>I went through hell and I admit I put some people through some hell, 
>but I will never say I did not apologize to you and explain to you the 

Waaaahhhh! Poor baby! Just because you went "somewhere" for a few months 
and had your modem-time restricted doesn't mean you've gone through
"hell". (You say it was "The Hospital. Could have been prison or a dude 
ranch for all we know.) Of course you'd never admit that you never apologized,
at least not in a forum where you have an audience - your word against mine
right? Well, you can kiss YOUR credibility goodbye. We have your number
pal and we'll never forget. I'm sorry that you choose not to come clean, but 
I'm not surprised. Get lost.

Ken

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Newsgroups: hsv.flame
From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Malice
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:14:20 GMT

Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce) writes:

>cannot and will not change. And Ken Putt? Actions with malice!!

Is that what you call stating the truth? "Actions with malice"? Must have
come out of the Dave Luce Thesaurus...

>All I can say to this is.....Merry Christmas and Jesus Loves You!

Awwww...golly Dave! You got religeon now?

k
From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Grow up!!!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:52:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

It's sad that I went through two years of hospitalization to get this 
kind of abuse from Ken Putt on this echo and John Emmert on the Alabama 
echo. It's even sadder that they are so closed minded that they don't 
realize that people DO change. I guess that's the way they see people 
and they see life. So they can continue with their little lives dealing 
with their small minds, All I can say is...THAT'S SAD!! 
******* 
Oh John by the way, Krayola Kid is not Joe Rompers no matter what you 
would like to believe. 
******** 
And by the way I am having to call these boards from friends houses and 
family because I called these boards from home and ended up having to 
have an unlisted number because the amount of threatening calls 
received. I don't know who they came from, But I'll tell ya one thing, 
I'm sure not giving out my home phone number either to sysops or to my 
fellow users ever again. 
********* 
So that is my only follow up on all this garbage.

I am willing to forgive but no one can ever forget.



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: False information
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:50:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

By the way the information I originally gave was accurate but thanks to 
the loving sysops et al I had to change that info..



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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: Sorry                
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:03:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 -=> Quoting Dave Luce to All <=-

 DL> I know this means nothing to anyone, but I am sorry for all past
 DL> behavior and I take full responsibilty for my actions, both past and
 DL> present. 

Still at it, eh?


... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing."


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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Fantasy?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:00:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

I guess it did appear to Ken that it was a fantasy world and so if he 
needs another apology for my actions before I got help then so be it. I 
apologize for the "fantasy" world that I "dreamed" up. I am also sorry 
for hurting anyone that was innocent in this.

Ken however knew what was going on before I went to the hospital (he 
didn't know everything because I didn't know everything) but if this is 
what is needed then so be it!

As for Mr. Emmert's doubting my MPD that is his right to do so. I know 
what the doctors said at two of the finest hospitals in the country, but 
Mr. Emmert has the right to his opinion. (I am not saying his opinion is 
fact just as I am not asking for sympathy..remember he brought it up in 
this echo not me) So that pretty much ends my comments on all of this.

Thanks to Norris Turbyfill at the Trading Post for his continued 
friendship and his support as well as the MPD support group here in 
Huntsville as well as the many new friends I have met that have gotten 
to know the real me..



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: sorry
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:11:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

-> And now all is forgiven and the hurt you caused is history, just like
-> that, right? NOT!

I know not what else I can do but to say I am sorry. I cannot force 
anyone to forgive me but I have done the responsible thing!



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: sorry
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:56:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

-> Tell EVERYONE the same fantasy-world story you built for me and many
-> others before your lies were exposed. Tell it all here and on the
-> Alabama Echo for all to read. THEN admit that you made it all up and
-> that you are truly sorry. Then, I for one will be very interested in
-> your continued stories of treatment and improvement and most anything
-> else you have to say. I know you Dave. I've met you and have even had
-> dinner with you. You NEVER apologized to me for the lies you told.
-> You even had my kids believing your lies about your poor deaf kids.
-> I've told you to get a life or get lost because we don't care. Fess
-> up to what you have done for once in your life in front of those you
-> have offended so deeply and you'll HAVE a life. You might even have
-> friends.

First of all I was the one to open up and tell the truth. Not some 
rightous fool like you. I admited what I did was wrong and as for 
friends, I do have friends. I'm glad I don't have or need people like 
you though. Yes Ken I did apologize before I went into the hospital to 
you and yes I did open up to you. So grow up...I went through hell and I 
admit I put some people through some hell, but I will never say I did 
not apologize to you and explain to you the whole situation before I 
left and if you still believe this, maybe a few years can't hurt you any



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Malice
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:07:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

John Emmert continues with his actions with malice. It's too bad that he 
cannot and will not change. And Ken Putt? Actions with malice!!

All I can say to this is.....Merry Christmas and Jesus Loves You!



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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Rights
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 12:46:43 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Dec 17 14:51>, Dave Luce (1:373/7) writes: 


 >Sort of off the subject, Did you know that prisoners have more rights 
 >than a patient in a psych hospital?

Prisoners are expected to be at least (marginally) mentally compitent. 
Sounds right to me.
 



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From: Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: sorry
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:13:00 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

-> ... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most
-> intriguing." 
Figured you would!!



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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: sorry
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:58:58 GMT

Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce) writes:

>-> And now all is forgiven and the hurt you caused is history, just like
>-> that, right? NOT!

>I know not what else I can do but to say I am sorry. I cannot force 
>anyone to forgive me but I have done the responsible thing!

Want to know what to do to really clean up your act and redeem yourself
in front of all that you have deceived and the multitude who wonder
about you because of all the crap you get whenever you log onto this
network? I'll give you a clue:

Tell EVERYONE the same fantasy-world story you built for me and many
others before your lies were exposed. Tell it all here and on the
Alabama Echo for all to read. THEN admit that you made it all up and
that you are truly sorry. Then, I for one will be very interested in
your continued stories of treatment and improvement and most anything
else you have to say. I know you Dave. I've met you and have even had
dinner with you. You NEVER apologized to me for the lies you told. You
even had my kids believing your lies about your poor deaf kids. I've
told you to get a life or get lost because we don't care. Fess up to
what you have done for once in your life in front of those you have
offended so deeply and you'll HAVE a life. You might even have friends.

Ken

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Newsgroups: hsv.flame
From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: malice
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:30:24 GMT

Dave.Luce@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Luce) writes:

>-> Awwww...golly Dave! You got religeon now?

>Hey I had a good teacher who brought me to religion (remember..)

Be careful fluke, you're digressing into fantasy time again. I
believe our discussions on religion were when you were on the 
poor-depressed-single-parent-with-a-dead-wife-and-deaf-kids kick.
I'm sure it must be VERY difficult to keep all the lies in order
though huh? Maybe you could find some kind of data base program
to keep them straight.

k