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From: phys224@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: The western world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:16:03 GMT

I've been reading this group for some time now,and am confused about the
negative opinions many have about America and the west in general.
What is so wrong with us? We may not be muslem (generally),but we do 
believe in freedom of political belief,religious belief,the freedom to
find your own path in life,without having it forced upon you.
E.g. in our culture there is now an almost across the board belief that women
have the absolute right to control their own bodies,to choose their own
career (be it prime minster or nuclear scientist or whatever.)
The point is,people are free here!we have crime,but the criminals are in the
minority. What system of life could be better? If iranians were free to
choose their own religion,how many would be moslem? Is such freedom what
iranian religious leaders are afraid of,because then many would turn from
Islam?
Of course,these are just my personal opinions,what are yours?

stephen botha,christchurch,new zealand.

p.s. thanks to everyone who responded to my questions about atheism.are
there any people out their with negative opinions about atheism?so far,
i've got only neutral/positive messages about them.
From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Re: *yawn* tired of Seyyed Joon
Keywords: *yawn*
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:05 GMT

In article <10NOV199218534434@reg.triumf.ca>, mahin@reg.triumf.ca writes:
|> In article <lfvtqkINNq6j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes...
|> >In article <1992Nov9.224821.28120@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
|> > 
|> >[ picteresque slinging of water+dirt mixture deleted ]
|> > 
|> >>
|> >>peace and non-violence, things you not surprisingly have difficulty 
|> >>understanding, given the steroid level in your blood and the Folger's crystals
|> >>[(c) 1992 Shahrokh] content of your head.  
|> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> 
|> > 
|> >javaad, relax, no one takes these guys seriously anyway.  their pooch
|> >arguments, repeated over and over and over again, have become more 
|> >predictable than the Circuit City once-in-a-lifetime weekend sales.
|> > 
|> 
|> This is to Agha Javaad, Lorne King and whoever else that spends their precious
|> time explaining such trivial matters like the absurdity of "hejaab", and the 
|> obvious rights of women, down to such detail that any 10 year old with half an
|> ounce of brains would understand and agree.
|> 
|> Let me tell you, if you haven't noticed already, Seyyed Joon and Ali Abgooshti
|> do not have the capacity to understand such simple matters nor to respond
|> with healthy and challenging arguments.  If you look at all the previous 
|> articles you'll notice the more logical you became, the more illogical 
|> they became.  So I suggest that you treat them as a couple of zits. 
|> Ignore them and they'll go away, and if you keep picking at them you'll 
|> experience even grosser excretions.
|> 
|> Mahin, (can't-bear-another-S.J.-nor-A.A.-article)
|> 
|> p.s. don't you all think this "hejab" argument has been beaten to death?
|>      4 months and still going at it!


I agree.  In fact, I'm trying to wean myself off of the thread, and
am only going to post from now on to defend my character against 
claims that I'm: a) American; or b) in league with the KKK.


Loren King
MIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: me angry? Naaa never!  Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:43:56 GMT


Farhad lagad paroun writes:

>>He was the editor of Farad Magazine which printed an improper caricature
>>of Ayatollah khomeini.
>
>There was no proof on that,  only radical brainless fenatics like you
>thought they saw komaini.
>
>beside  what was wrong for khomaini playing football?

Well, the Iranian judge said that it was an insult. Mr. Arabha certainly didn't
intend to insult anybody, he even wasn't aware of what his caricaturist did.
His fault was that he wasn't careful and didn't control everything.

>What law BUD?  This aint Iran dude, wake up and smell  the chAyee.
>IRI's stupid radical laws do not and will never be implemented here.

You are an Iranian citizen, and under Iranian law. When you go to Iran, 
nobody can prevent Iran's law to be applied to you.

>How is this: I will send your threats or in your word "remindings"
>to your local admin and your advisor and the local INS office and
>your local FBI whatever and  let them decide.  

How do you know that they are going to take YOUR side? You are insulting in
public the leader of another country! Do you want me to send a copy of your
insults to Washington D.C. and then see who is going to get into trouble?

>I let you tell me when to send it and I'll do it.  Hey what to 
>worry,   GOD is with you?   ;-)

I certainly wouldn't suggest this kind of war. If you start it, you may not be
able to stop it.

>Boos Boos 

vAseye arbAbAt.

>Farhad

Seyyed.

>P.S.  You never send your advice about Taghee? Can he go for
>      15 of them at one time or 4 at a time?  
>      come on,  he is waiting.

cheshe mage? dAreh mirizeh?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: Culture and Women
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.022642.10396@wam.umd.edu>, ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Lu Cifer) writes:
|> In article <10NOV199209034964@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
|> > Regarding this bitch Loren "I wish I was Iranian!" King,
|> >
|> >  Get the hell off of soc.culture.iranian! You don't know what the fuck
|> >you are talking about?            ^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >Satan
|> 
|> My children,
|> 
|> Whoever this person is, he/she is an impostor. I am your true Lord
|> Satan. 
|> 
|> Loren joon, don't listen to this person. I'll tell you what, as a small
|> gesture of good (i.e evil) will i'll make you an Iranian myself. In 
|> return I need one small favor. Can you make sure that Naghmeh "I wear
|> shorts in the streets of Boston, and still no one pays any attention to my legs
.I wonder why?" Sohrabi (or whatever her last name is) wears her hejab, consisting
 of Chador siyah, maghna'eh and neghab, at all times. You can probably find herin
any of the libraries at MIT on a saturday night.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> ahriman
|> (aka Lucifer)

dear lucifer,

I am touched by all this attention, not only to what i say and don't say,
but also to my legs.
It's wonderful to know that among all these people, you've chosen me to show
your very funny sense of humor to ahAli-yeh SCI.

thank you,
naghmeh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati)
Subject: Re: Farsi Word processors for the MAC?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:10:32 GMT

mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour) writes:

>In article <Bx0GoA.BDL@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mehran@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Mehran Farimani) writes:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Could anyone give me information on Farsi word processors available for
>>MACs? Things like the name and address of the company would also be helpful.
>>
>>Thanx in advance ...
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>--Mehran

>I'm interested to such informations too.

>mehdi/      mehdi@admin.kth.se

There are a few around (no public domain or shareware one as far as I
know). The  best known for Persian is Al'KAteb. Your Apple dealer should 
be able to help you with that. I will try to find the address of the 
company. They also publish the Windows version called Vajeh-Negar. 
They each cost about $400.

For the Mac users, there is always the cheaper alternative of getting the
arabic system for afew dollars and editing/adding fonts and making any
word processor write in Persian. That is if you can handle the menubars
in Arabic :-) Of course  you can chnge those with ResEdit and make them
write Persian. 

God, I wish I had a Mac :-(

Regards.


-- 
==============================================================================
Tooraj Enayati     Melbourne     Australia     tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au
Monash University       Robotic and Digital Technology       (Graduate/Alumni)
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Iran-Iraq war
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.094220.6352@fmg.bt.co.uk>, ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes...
>In article <1992Nov11.004941.13631@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
> 
>> If the IRI leadership had been smart, they would have invited those military
>> men who were not strong supporters of Shah, and were willing to work for
>> their COUNTRY to continue to serve, while firing only the heads who were 
>> unquestionable loyalists.  They would have also taken a peaceful stance
>> towards their neighbors and towards the rest of the world by not blabbing
>> about exporting their revolution
> 
>Just for the record.  I vividly remember that in the few weeks before
>the Iraqis invaded Iran, Jallal-od-din Farsi (the then darling of the
>Islamic Republic Party and their grooming presidential election
>candidtae) was repeatedly ranting over the Tehran radio on the "duty"
>of the Islamic Republic to "liberate" the Iraqi "moslems" from their
>"infidel" rulers.  Fore anybody carefully listening to these, it was
>obvious that that was a receipe for war and that we were heading
>towards it.  Then followed some border skirmishes and infiltrations by
>paasdaars - and then the all-out INVASION and WAR.
> 
>> >Agha Javad
> 
>-hossein

 Hossien. Hmmmmmm? Judging by your letter your an Iraqi. So get off SCI!

Satan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.african
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: MalcomX movie and Newsweek
Keywords: MalcomX Newsweek Dawah Islam
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:22:15 GMT

In article <gmi2TB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
>nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu (Nadeem G Chaudhry) writes:
>
>- 
>- 	In the name of Allah the most Beneficent and Mercifull.
>- 
>- 
>- Assalam-U-Alequm,
>- 		This is a suggestion and not a invitation to discussion/flame
>- war. This week or next week Newsweek is going to bring out a special issue on
>- Malcom X/Shebaz. Also during the same time period, the movie MalcomX is going
>- to be released. These two events will most probably create some interest in t
>- minds of the people (those who take interest in such stuff) about Islam. I th
>- it will be a good opportunity for us to present these people with correct 
>- information about Islam. I think going to the Cinema where it is being played
>- and distributing some pamphlet or leaflet about Islam will be a good way to
>- do it. I think this is a good Dawah opportunity and we should take advantage
>- of it.
>
>That is actually a very good idea! I don't know how one could go about it 
>in such short notice, but someone may be working on it! Mabye after this 
>movie is out, alot more people will turn to Islam and convert.
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

    If the movie is like the Autobiography (written by Haley) then, certainly,
many people will wnt to know more about Islam. After all, Malcolm X was the
first Black American to visit Mecca. However, one cannot be too sure about
what the content of the movie is going to be. I read somewhere that Spike Lee
may have decided to focus more on the drug pedlar/pimp period of Malcolm X's
life, which preceeded his joining with Islam. If Spike further chooses to 
emphasize the role played by Elijah Muhammed, leader of Nation of Islam, and
not a very good guy, then people might actually get to see more evil in Islam
which would be quite bad really. So, let's hope that the Spike man has opted
for the version of Malcolm's life that focuses on understanding other cultures.

     H.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:9630 soc.culture.arabic:4754
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The impact of Clinton victory on Arab-Israel peace process
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:31:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>clinton has no interest in a kind of pease in the middle east that will 
>bring about justice for all parties. he is one of the most pro-israeli
>politicians i have ever seen. he does not care about the problems in
>kashmir and he totally supports the unification of jerusalem, which 
>ideologically i have no problem with but who is going to care about the
>injustice that will be done to the indigenous folk there (palestinians)?
>i would not be surprised if al-aqsa is destroyed while he is in office.
>and bring the peace process to a quick halt.

You might not be surprised if Al Aksa was destroyed, but you wouldn't
have much company.

For nineteen years, Jordan barred Jews from their holiest places, and
used Jewish gravestones to pave the way to latrines.  Since Yom
Yerushalayim, all have had access to their holy places, with
everyone's rights zealously protected by the Israeli government.

No wonder Clinton rightly supports the current status of Jerusalem.
The contrast between the record of Jordan and the record of Israel
speaks for itself.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: daijavd@watson.ibm.com (Shahrokh Daijavad)
Subject: Iranian Film Festival
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:10:15 GMT
Reply-To: daijavd@watson.ibm.com (Shahrokh Daijavad)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I posted the following list for the festival of Iranian movies in New York
about 6 weeks ago. On the occasion of the opening day for the
festival, here is the list again. 

All the movies are shown at:  Walter Reade Theater, 165 West 65th St.
at Lincoln Center, Tel: (212) 875-5601


     Title/Year                    Director               Time
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Once Upon a Time, Cinema        M. Makhmalbaf     Nov. 13: 2, 6 and 10:15 p.m.
       (1992)                                     Nov. 14: 6 and 10:15 p.m.

Close-Up  (1990)                A. Kiarostami     Nov. 13: 4 and 8:15 p.m.
                                                  Nov. 14: 4 and 8:15 p.m.

Marriage of the Blessed         M. Makhmalbaf     Nov. 15: 4 and 8:15 p.m.
       (1989)                                     Nov. 16: 4 and 8:15 p.m.

Nargess (1991)                  R. Bani-Etemad    Nov. 15: 6 and 10 p.m.
                                                  Nov. 16: 2, 6 and 10 p.m.

The Last Act (1991)             V. Karim-masihi   Nov. 17: 2, 5:45 and 9:15 p.m.

The Need (1991)                 A. Davudnezhad    Nov. 17: 4 and 7:45 p.m.

Pomegranate and Cane            S. Ebrahimfar     Nov. 18: 2 p.m.
      (1989)                                      Nov. 19: 3:45 and 7:30 p.m.

In the Alleys of Love           K. Sinaie         Nov. 18: 4:15 p.m.
      (1991)                                      Nov. 19: 2, 5:45 and 9:30 p.m.

Where is the Friend's Home?     A. Kiarostami     Nov. 20: 2, 6 and 9:45 p.m.
      (1987)

Hoor on Fire (1991)             A. Hamid-Nezhad   Nov. 20: 3:45 and 7:45 p.m.

Water, Wind and Dust            A. Naderi         Nov. 21: 4 and 8 p.m.
    (1985-89)

Hamoon (1990)                   D. Mehrjui        Nov. 21: 5:45 and 9:45 p.m.

Travellers (1992)               B. Beizai         Nov. 22: 4 and 7:30 p.m.
                                                  Nov. 23: 3:45 p.m.

The Bride (1991)                B. Afkhami        Nov. 22: 5:45 and 9:15 p.m.
                                                  Nov. 23: 2 p.m.

Bashu, The Little Stranger      B. Beizai         Nov. 24: 2 and 6 p.m.
        (1986)

The Key  (1989)                 E. Forouzesh      Nov. 24: 4:15 and 8:15 p.m.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: World Leaders - Clinton -2-: Hope For Open U.S. Trade Policy
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:58:52 GMT

11/04 (DJ) World Leaders - Clinton -2-: Hope For Open U.S. Trade Policy

    LONDON -AP- Leaders from around the world congratulated U.S.
President-elect Bill Clinton, although some European and Asian
commentators predicted strains over Bill Clinton's defense and trade
policies.
    Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin said in a telegram to Clinton
that ''the special relations between the American people and the people
of Israel, and between the American administration and the government in
Jerusalem, will be as strong as ever.''
    Palestinians involved in U.S.-sponsored negotiations with Israel
also were upbeat. ''The victory of Bill Clinton means the continuation
of the peace process,'' said Ziad Abu Ziad, a close adviser to the
negotiating team.
    Japanese Foreign Minister Michio Watanabe, who had expressed fears
that Clinton would move to restrict imports, said the new president's
expected emphasis on reviving the U.S. economy was important ''for Japan
and for the whole world.''
    Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt also expressed hope that Clinton
would ''resist the protectionist winds.''
    Richard von Weizsaecker, Germany's president, was one of the first
leaders to congratulate Clinton, sending a telegram that said,' 'after
the end of the Cold War, we stand together before new and global
challenges.''
    Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari expressed hope for
cooperation on trade, border issues and drug control, a statement from
Salinas' office said.
     7:49 AM
                                 -END-
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 ENTER ANOTHER REQUEST.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:26:37 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh
Keywords: Politics, Difference

In article <1992Nov6.184702.11126@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.005129.2055@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>
>[Farhad's expression of outrage deleted]

>I had never seen you so angry before AghA farhAd! You surely are very loyal to
>your masters! Keep kissing their hands, but at least wake up from khAbe

Angry people?  Blindly obeying their leaders??  Now where have I seen that
before?  hmmmmm...

>khargoushi! Remember Mr. nAsser arabhA? Now use your imagination, and whenever
>you decide to go to Iran, khoub passe gardaneto charb kon, because nokhost-
>vaziri guys might be waiting for you! dar zemn, ye dast pijAmeye rAh rAh, bA
>ye Alameh ketAb hamrAt vardAr tA hosselat sar nareh!

Seyyed once said that we are all welcome to go back to our country and help
build and be positive.  Well, he has shown his style of welcoming you,
and that one way of being positive is to do quite a bit of leisure reading
in a quiet lonely faraway place where you will be forgotten.  Believe me, it
is for your own good!  I must say, so much for "mehmoon-navAzi-e-Irani"!  
Sure, we'll just focus on our field and nothing could possibly go wrong.....



>
>Seyyed.


(decline to state my name to protect the innocent)
Baaaaaa Baaaaaa Baaaaaaaa BaaaaaghghAAAl!!
(a model citizen)
From: bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Reach out and save a life
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:53:09 GMT


     "ei ke dastat miresad, kAri bekon
             pish az An kas to nayAyad hich kAr ! 


Changiz Vasef has cancer. To stay alive he needs a bone marrow 
transplant surgery. He is married and has 3 kids back in Iran. He 
came to U.S. specifically for this surgery as was recommened by 
doctors in Iran. He is in mid-50s. He has sold his house and with the 
help of his brother has around 30K. Because of the high cost of this
surgery, his brother spoke in radio and asked us for help.

This is an opportunity for an individual to reach out and actually
touch many many lives by saving a life. 

The hospital has set up a special account for him and will directly
deposit the amount received in this account for the sole purpose of
the surgery.

If anyone interested in helping (no amount is too little), here is 
the address and the account number:

        John Hopkins Hospital
	600 N. Wolfe Street
	Baltimore, Maryland  21205

	special acct#: 52594743 (for Mr. Changiz Vassef)



Now, let's save a life..shall we ?

                               - Behnam


   zAn pish ke dast o pA foru bandad marg
               Akhar kam az An ke dast o pAii bezanim ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Export of Western Technology to Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:52:29 GMT

Washington Post has a long article about this issue on its  Tues issue.
It puts Iran's trade figure with Germany above 5 billion.
Iran's trade with Japan is around 2.5 billion and with Italy about 2 billion.
There is also an article about Iraq's concern about Iran's technological
and military build-up.

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hosseini@rtsg.mot.com (Kamran Hosseini)
Subject: Re: Persians versus Germans
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:13:24 GMT

vahid@math.toronto.edu (Friedrich Kourosh Vahid) writes:

>I have been told that Persians originated from Europe. Is it part
>of Germany that they originated from?

Very interesting and controversial subject. This requires a lengthy
reply.....for the time being let me quote from this month issue of
the Royal Geographical Society Magazine (Nov 1992):

The intitial stage of Modern humanity started around 150-200 thousand
years ago....


According to  the "out of Afriica" theory, Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa
100,000 years ago and colonised the earth in four main stages.

This history of humanity has been pieced together using genetic, linguistic
and archaeological data:

1) Africa-Asia divergence.....
100,000 years ago - first divergence from central Africa to Asia & west
Africa. (First human arrival into the Iranian Plateau)


2) Asia-Australia divergence
50,000 years ago - Into northern & southern Asia (& Australia)
from the Mid East...

3) Europe-Asia divergence 
Caucasians Migration from southern "Russia" to the Laplands,
   Europe, Sardinia(-> North Africa), Iran & India-35-40,000 years ago...

4) Asia-America divergence
Peoples from Northern Asia (Mongollans) move into North & South America 
-- 15-30,000 years ago

Genetics:

Asian--North Eurasian--Caucasoid--Iranian

Linguistics:

Eurasiatic--Indo_European--Iranian--(Persian)


It appears, then, that Germans and Iranians seperated during the 3rd 
divergence around 35-40,000 years ago......

kAmrAn
From: hossein@equinox.unr.edu (Hossein Tavakoli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Bosnia
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Dear Brothers and sisters,
To help moslems in Bosnia  you can send your checks to this address.
Checks should be in order of:  MSA (PSG) BOSNIA RELIEF FUND

MSA (PSG)
P.O. Box 6322
ALBANY, CA94706

I got this address from Keyhan Havai newspaper page 5  Sep16,1992.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian