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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:02:39 MST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazers are team to beat in west - so far
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1992Nov16.214523.3152@sequent.com> jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering) writes:
>In article <1e5kp3INNn2e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, werstln@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael Werstlein) says:
>>
>>>
>>>After watching tonight's blazer game against the warriors, it looks
>>>as though the blazers are the best team in the western conference
>>>after one week of play.  Although 3 of the 4 games have been at
>>>home, 3 of their wins were against Phoenix, Cleveland, and Golden State.
>>
>>Let's try to make excuses for those 3 teams:
>>
>>Golden State: Well, they're not playing good ball, they lost 2 at home
>>this past week, to LA and Cleveland.
>>
>>Cleveland: Blazers only won by 6 pts, and Brad Daugherty didn't even
>>play.
>>
>>Phoenix: They didn't have Kevin Johnson, wait till he gets back, they're
>>a different team when he's playing.
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Alex
>
>
>   Ok - We'll add the Knicks to the list tonight in Portland. That'll help
>convince you i hope?   Woofing early.....

The Blazers have also had five different top scorers for their first five
wins.  Now that's spreading it around.  Portland's bench is also playing
just about as good as most other teams starters.  Against NY, they scored
52 points and had 19(?) rebounds.  They're just playing very good ball
right now and they could beat anybody.

Justin.
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From: grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: A Basic Question
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: NCAR, Research Applications Program
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:56:12 GMT



retrac@cs.rice.edu (John Carter) writes:
>The one that always confused me was the Houston Rockets.  You might ask,
>"John, why does that confuse you?" and I would have to say, "Well, although
>it makes perfect sense given NASA headquarters and all, the Houston Rockets
>were originally in San Diego.  Rockets?  San Diego?  I don't get it."  I'd
>then sit back and wait for enlightenment, like perhaps that the name was
>changed when they moved from San Diego to Houston.

"Well, John, since you've asked...  There were ABA teams in both San Diego
(the Conquistadors and the Sails <remember Wilt's goofy clothes?>) and in
Houston (the Mavericks)."

So then you might ask, "But what does that have to do with them moving from
San Diego to Houston and becoming the Rockets?"

I'd sit back and wait for enlightenment, and reply, "It was the ABA.  I don't
know, and they didn't either."

>Then again, there were also the Denver Rockets.

Who were the Nuggets in their last two years in the ABA.  Their earliest
incarnation was as "The Ringsby Rockets", owned by (I think) Bud Ringsby,
a manufacturer of parts for (what else?) rockets.  I swear I read this in
"Loose Balls".

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Bulls Schedule
Keywords: BULLS, NBA
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:04:20 GMT


Somebody wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone out there had the '92-'93 Bulls schedule, I just
>started reading and didn't notice one posted.	

I asked:
>Did you notice the announcement about data available for public FTP?

So far I got 2 e-mail messages asking me "what about the FTP?"

Well, every week I post a message with the title "Sports data
available for public ftp".  Every week the message says, among other
things, that "There is a bunch of NBA, NFL and MLB data -- stats,
records, game scores, schedules, etc (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) --
available for public FTP on wuarchive.wustl.edu."

I thought that would be pretty clear ,and yet, every day, it turns out
that many people who look for schedules didn't see that message.

So, what am I doing wrong?  Should I change the title?  The text?
Should I have pictures of naked women attached to it, somehow?  Or
naked men?  What?

Whatever.  Here's the full text once more:

=======================================================================
If you are interested in stats, records and schedules of major league
sports, please read the following announcement:

There is a bunch of NBA, NFL and MLB data -- stats, records, game scores,
schedules, etc (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public
FTP on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
address 128.252.135.4).  You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
To do so, type:
	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
choice.  The directories are:
	Football (NFL) -- /pub/nfl
	Basketball (NBA) -- /doc/misc/nbastats/facts
	Baseball (MLB) -- /doc/misc/sports/mlb
The directories contain README files with details about contents
and sub-directories. 

The details of the FTP program may be system-dependent.  If in
doubt, consult your system administrators.  (But don't bother
asking me -- I probably don't know.)

Enjoy!

					Gidi


PS: The baseball stuff is maintained by Kurt Bose (kbos@carina.unm.edu).
I created the football directory, but I don't maintain it -- it is
unprotected and free for all.  The NBA directory was created for the
NBASTATS project, as detailed in the README files, and I maintain the
FACTS subdirectory.  In general, you should be able to access the data
without contacting any of us.

PSS:  Lots of thanks to Washington University at St. Louis.
From: macmib@aix.rpi.edu (Brian Edward Macmillan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: John Starks
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:30:31 GMT

In article <By163r.2q1@cmcl2.nyu.edu> johneco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>In article 25175@rtsg.mot.com, swenson.rtsg.mot.com (R. Scott Swenson) writes:
>> What happened to Starks in the Clippers game?  He only played 10 minutes.
>
>Apparently Riley benched him.  Riley's comment was that John "wasn't 
>playing basketball out there", which probably reffered to his getting
>in a jabbing match with Mark Jax.
>
	Was it Starks who threw the cup of water at Jackson.  If so,
	maybe this had something to do with his benching.

Mac
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:23:28 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <yzhou.722022046@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov17.160428.1977@eng.umd.edu> edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist) writes:
>>>
>>>In article <Bxtyso.D07@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>>>	Here's a question for U all to ponder:
>>>>
>>>>	Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
>>>>	Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
>>>>	rosters?
>>>>
>>>>	HINT:  It's neither Old Dominion 86-87 or Kentucky 84-85.  :)
>>>>	Jazzy J
>
>>>
>>>How about Michigan '88-'89?  Loy Vaught, Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, and Terry Mills.
>>>Karl
>
>>I know that Illinois '88-'89 also has 4 players currently in the NBA:
>>Kendall Gill, Nick Anderson, Marcus Liberty, and Steve Bardo.
>
>>Man the Big 10 was strong that year!
>
>   When did K. Norman & E. Johnson enter the pro? Was that the same year?
>
>   joe

Norman left after the 86-87 season, while players like Liberty, Battle,
and Anderson got there in 87-88. 

E. Johnson was much earlier, in 80-81...

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Knicks (Was: John Starks)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:07:00 GMT

In article <1ejcrqINN7sf@network.ucsd.edu> rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger) writes:
>>What happened to Starks in the Clippers game?  He only played 10 minutes.
>
>According to the Clippers broadcaster, Starks was benched in the second half
>due to "coaches decision".

Highlights on ESPN showed Mark Jackson talking a lot of shit to Starks as
they went to their benches (probably after Riley had to call a time out).
This is pure speculation, but Starks may have been getting caught up in
that and trying to do too much on his own.

>It was an extremely ugly game, and made three points very clear:
>
>1> Rolando Blackman is weeks away from getting his timing back
>
>2> The Knicks have a long way to go before they function as a team
>
>3> They probably will not win consistantly unless they get a top notch point 
>Guard!

Right now it looks like the Knicks have a lot of good players but not
enough great ones.  Through the first 5 games they had 10 guys averaging
at least 6.6 points per game.  Charles Smith was off to a slow start,
shooting .371 in less than 20 minutes per game.  I think they were counting
on more out of him.  Really the whole team is shooting poorly.
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Who is Tom Gugliotta (Bullets)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:15:07 GMT

Shame, shame, shame!  You weren't paying attention to the NBA draft
held here this spring.   :-)   [Pardon me, but I'm still basking in
the "the Knicks will take Anthony Peeler if he's there, but will go
after Hubert Davis if he's not" prediction that John Econopouly and
I turned in.]   :-)

(PS, So, John, what do you think of the season so far, eh?)
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: UVa, Footnote to Champions (was Re: Box: Wolves 118 Dallas 104)
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:47:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cheshire.1992Nov19.034751.22211
Distribution: na
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

In article <1992Nov18.210523.22151@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:

>just an aside, here.  does this mean that wally walker and johnny johnson
>were on the same team together?  :-)  wait'll bo kimble gets on the same
>team with bimbo coles.

     Yup. And not only that, they had John, Dennis, and Vinnie Johnson
one the team at the same time: JJ, DJ, and VJ (not that anyone actually
called him VJ). 
     This was when every player in the NBA was named Johnson.
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From: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks)
Subject: BOXSCORE: phi02nyk02.07nov92
Reply-To: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:47:19 GMT

phi 85, nyk 89   07nov92

phi ( 0- 2)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
gilliam,armon     26   4   9   0  0   3  6   1  3   2  3  0  4  0  0  0  0   11
weatherspoon,clar 33   4  16   0  0   2  3   2  5   1  4  2  3  0  0  0  0   10
lang,andrew       40   0   4   0  0   4  4   1  8   0  4  0  3  1  0  0  0    4
hawkins,hersey    41   7  15   1  3   5  5   1  5   3  4  0  0  0  0  0  0   20
hornacek,jeff     38   4  14   0  2   5  6   0  7   6  5  3  2  0  0  0  0   13
anderson,ron      21   5   9   1  2   0  0   1  3   1  1  0  1  0  0  0  0   11
perry,tim         14   3   6   0  1   0  0   0  4   1  2  1  1  1  0  0  0    6
shackleford,charl  8   2   2   0  0   0  0   2  3   0  1  0  3  0  0  0  0    4
grant,greg        19   1   5   1  2   3  4   0  1   3  3  3  0  0  0  0  0    6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
phi totals       240  30  80   3 10  22 28   8 39  17 27  9 17  2  0  0  0   85
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .375   .300   .786       team rebs 11
procedure technicals 2

nyk ( 2- 0)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
campbell,tony     18   3   6   0  0   0  0   1  1   1  5  1  1  0  0  0  0    6
oakley,charles    20   4   6   0  0   0  0   2  4   1  3  0  2  1  0  0  0    8
ewing,patrick     41   6  17   0  0   4  8   1 16   4  2  0  5  0  0  0  0   16
rivers,doc        21   2   5   1  1   0  0   0  3   3  3  0  3  0  0  0  0    5
starks,john       24   2  10   1  2   2  2   3  3   6  3  1  0  0  0  0  0    7
blackman,rolondo  12   3   6   1  2   0  1   0  0   2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    7
mason,anthony     34   5  10   0  0   4  6   2 11   2  1  3  3  0  1  0  0   14
smith,charles     30   3   9   0  0   1  2   5 12   1  2  0  3  3  0  0  0    7
anthony,greg      27   4   9   0  1   4  7   0  3   6  3  5  1  1  0  0  0   12
davis,hubert      13   2   2   0  0   3  5   0  1   0  1  0  2  0  0  0  0    7
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nyk totals       240  34  80   3  6  18 31  14 54  26 23 10 20  5  1  0  0   89
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .425   .500   .581       team rebs 11
procedure technicals 1

phi   32  20  16  17  -   85
nyk   32  16  20  21  -   89

attendance 19766, time 2:22, officials: TDurham,HEvans,TBernhardt
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From: psm@sharpnose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul S. Miner)
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:49:20

In article <Bxtyso.D07@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

	   Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
	   Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
	   rosters?
Well, I've suggested two UNC teams with 5 each, others suggested Illinois 88-89
or Michigan 88-89 w/4 each.  We all seem to be forgetting UNLV 89-90.  They may
have 6 or 7, but I'd be hard pressed to name them all.


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: This Year's NBA Register
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:29:54 GMT


     I just got back from the local discount bookstore, and they have
the new "NBA Register" (but not the "NBA Guide").
     The NBA Register has some different typefaces but basically the
same format.  With one big improvement:  for the first time, The
Sporting News (which publishes the Register and Guide) and the NBA
(which sponsors them) are reporting TURNOVERS for each player.
     The NBA has been keeping turnover stats for something like 15
years, but for some bizarre reason never published them (other 
magazines like Petersons or Street & Smiths or Basketball Digest
had no such inhibitions).  
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From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cavs-Daugherty
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:44:32 GMT
	<dsanders.7.721670323@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>
	<1992Nov13.190959.20756@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com's message of 13 Nov 92 19:09:59 GMT


Can't get a hold of any Cavs boxscores for Fri 10/13 or Sun 10/15.
I heard Daugherty didn't play Fri.  I've got to hand in my fantasy
line-up today and I desperately need to know if he's hurt.  Please,
help!
Wayne.
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: UVa, Footnote to Champions (was Re: Box: Wolves 118 Dallas 104)
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:05:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Nov18.181810.22766@alw.nih.gov> jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle) writes:
>In a recent post (Ken Bowers) writes:
>>Wally Walker was on both Portland and Seattle making him the
>>answer to a trivia question until the Lakers repeated.
>>(Did any other player appear on back-to-back champs between
>>Celts and lakers repeat years?) 
>If I'm following the what's being stated here correctly I would have 
>to point out that while Seattle did go to the finals in the two years
>following Portland's champ year they played Wash both times and the Bullets
>won the first time, Seattle the 2nd so Walker didn't play on back to back
>champions.
>-jim 

just an aside, here.  does this mean that wally walker and johnny johnson
were on the same team together?  :-)  wait'll bo kimble gets on the same
team with bimbo coles.

i wish that the detroit tigers could have had Dave Wickersham on the mound
at the same time they had Johnny Wockenfuss catching.  what a battery.

- nate
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A.J. English
Keywords: English  ALEX
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:06:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Nov20.230601.12358
Distribution: usa
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

>	Here's a trivia question for U:
>
>	True or False:
>
>	Alex English once played for the Boston Celtics.
>
>	Jazzy J

Well, I suppose that Alex could say:

  "I'm not a Boston Celtic, but I played one in a movie."

Can't remember the film title, but Alex's character was so moved by
a young boy's opposition to the buildup of nuclear weapons that he
refused to play anymore until the super-powers agreed to disarm.
Athletes from all around the world joined him until there was world
peace and everybody lived happily ever after (or something like that :-).

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
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From: mrangasw@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Muralidhar Rangaswamy)
Subject: Thanks
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:15:02 EST

This post is just to say thank you to the kind soul who wrote the 
C program that provides the nba schedule for each day of the 
regular season.

Muralidhar Rangaswamy
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Barkley blasts white players again!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:34:23 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


Charles is on Arsenio tonight!
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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: SIXERS WILL GO 78-4 AND WINN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:21:23 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@3cpu.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Nov18.210729.13435@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> tmurray@lonestar.utsa.edu (Terrence M. Murray) writes:

>LAST THING A QUESTION FOR ALL THE (WANNA BE PRO BALL STUDS) WHO WAS THE FIRST
>PLAYER IN THE NBA TO SCORE 2000 POINTS IN A SEASON ...YOULL NEVER GET IT


George Yardley, 2001 pts, Detroit Pistons 1957-58? Following year - Bob
Pettit, 2105 with the St. Louis Hawks. Following that Wilt Chamberlin
with > 2000 points for 7 consecutive seasons which is not a record BTW.




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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Undefeated Teams?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:43:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.065900.26060@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>>I do believe it was the '72 Lakers who went 69-13.  Nobody's ever broken
>>the 70 win mark.  There was a Sixers team in the late 60's, I believe, who
>>went 68-13.
>
>You probably mean 68-14.

No, I'm sure I've seen that this team's record 68-13.  I believe it was
the 1967 Philadelphia Warriors, with Wilt, Hal Greer, et al.  I think Wilt
says it was the best team he ever played on, meaning he thinks it was a
better team than the '72 Lakers with the 69-13 record and the 33-game
(or whatever) winning streak.
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Inside Sports Determines Greatest NBA Team Ever
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:43:00 GMT


     No one here seems to have mentioned the December issue of Inside
Sports, which had an article on determining the greatest NBA team ever.
They used a computer game called Replay Basketball by Replay Sports
(anyone ever heard of them?) and played a whole season of games with a
league consisting of teams like the 71-72 Lakers, 82-83 Sixers (Moses'
"fo-fo-fo" team), 91-92 Bulls, 85-86 Celtics, 64-65 Celtics, etc. etc. 
    Without further ado, the winner was:  the 71-72 Lakers, who had
both the best "regular season" record and beat the 82-83 Sixers in
the "finals."
    Obviously there are problems with a computer simulation like
this.  Could a 1965 team which shot, say 46% and held its opponents
to 46% do the same against a 1992 team?
    Even worse, this simulation apparently utilizes a lot of individual
statistics, as opposed to team statistics.  Team stats are great for
measuring important things like defense.  In contrast, 
individual stats are close  to useless for measuring an individual
players' defensive abilities.
     On the other hand, by using individual stats the simulation
was able to come up with league leaders for the simulated season: the
91-92 Michael Jordan led with 26.9 points per game, next was the 70-71
Lew Alcindor (as he was known then) at 26.5.  Leading rebounders:
64-65 Russell with 22.4, then 66-67 Wilt with 19.5, then 71-72 Wilt
with 17.7.  Assists:  86-87 Magic with 9.9.
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