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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:23:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <cvoidis.722029885@yorku.ca> cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca (Chris Voidis) writes:

>    The main point is not the subjective or objective points of view,
>but the happening of truth in the work of art.

  Sometimes I refrain from ad hominem comments; sometimes I don't.

  But this posting is just calling out, "hit me, hit me".
 
  Amidst a series of postings about epistemology, how can anyone
  post anything like the above, using a term like "happening of
  truth" without even a suggestion of what they mean by "truth"?
  That IS after all, what we're discussing.    What a dope.

  Let's suppose a painting contains a great truth.  How do you
  tell?


---peter


  


Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
From: ajc1@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Cooke)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:32:19 GMT

In article <cvoidis.722029885@yorku.ca>, cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca (Chris Voidis) writes:
|>     Hi, sorry to just jump in like this, but have you tried reading
|> Heidegger's essay, The origin of the work of art?

did anyone do so?  could they post a summary?  did anyone find it
worth reading?

thanks,
andrew

p.s.  a while ago i tried posting via cleveland and upset someone by
calling them a libertarian.  sorry - across here it is used (at least
in the older texts i had been reading) synonymously with anarchist.

-- 
    andrew cooke                                       (0223) 337504/48 
    institute of astronomy, madingley road, cambridge, cb3 0ha, england   
    telex 817297 ASTRON G                             fax (0223) 337523 
Xref: sparky alt.postmodern:2742 alt.cyberpunk:6042 talk.politics.theory:5082 alt.society.anarchy:759
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:33:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bxr8np.1M0@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>In article <Bxo2E5.9sw@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.165429.15722@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov7.153226.2722@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
> 
>>    I complained that, while this may be, the problem with
>>    "fictional truths" is that there's no useful way to talk
>>    about them, anaylze them, or assess them.  The truth in
>>    a work of art is purely subjective precisely because art
>>    lacks the intellectual discipline that makes science work.
>
>I suppose that depends on the quality of the art.  Part of the value
>of good art is that it can express an idea with more impact and
>precision than a scientific statement.  For example, a painting of 
>a mother hugging a child can convey something more than a scientific
>statement that "There is a bonding between mothers and their children.".

  But only subjectively.  What it conveys depends on who is 
  interpreting it.


>>    It provides no means to step outside of our own personal
>>    experience of it.   Art offers no means to reach closure.
>
>How so?  Can you demonstrate that there is no means of objectively evaluating
>the meaning and effectiveness of art?

  But then you wouldn't be evaluating the art, you would be evaluating
  people's responses to it.  So you're still stuck with the subjective
  problem.  The impact that aboriginal cave art has on you will
  likely be quite different than what it had on the original artist
  or his people.   Ditto the impact of the Mona Lisa on a Balinese.
   
  But a smallpox vaccination would render all of these people immune
  to smallpox -- nothing subjective about it.


---peter


Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:55:52 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
| >>  Let's suppose a painting contains a great truth.  How do you
| >>  tell?

pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pellervo Kokkonen) writes:
| >	Painting is a non-linguistic act of communication. It can
| >	be true without you _telling_ anything.
| >
| >	I think the same applies to religious experience. You do 
| >	not expect an explanation from a physicist to believe.

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|   But how do you know if it's true?   If I say a painting is true  
|   and you say it's false which is it?   If your answer is "true
|   for me and false for you" then you're saying it's subjective
|   and that the truth or falseness is not in the painting but in
|   the viewer.    But I say that a smallpox vaccination renders
|   someone immune to smallpox *regardless* of whether he believes
|   it or even knows he's been vaccinated.

I wonder if anyone has ever run a test for that.  Vaccination
is never perfect, you know.  Perhaps in some cases one's
immune system, or the surrounding disease organisms, remain
unconvinced of the message they have received.

There's also a problem about the difference between subject-
ivity and objectivity this exchange hints at.  In some cases,
certain works of art evoke similar responses in people of
widely differing cultures and conditions.  If a number of
people, a large proportion of a given population, report
these effects, even though the effects are entirely subject-
ive, they begin to have all the attributes of objectivity.
Thus, if a painting evokes a feeling of, say, sadness in
93% of those who view it under neutral circumstances, it's
doing about as well as certain vaccinations.  Could we then
admit that the painting exhibited "truth"?  Or, if not at
93%, then at some higher figure?
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
From: murray9560@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Mass Communication and Semiotics
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:49:46 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

dir
dir

Prehaps professor, you should concoern yourself with a discussion on
cmulticultural presentation in popular culture and the impact of cross-cultural
influences in intercultural communications situations. Check out Dr. Molife
Kete Asante's work from Temple University.

Good luck, Derrick Murray, grad.student, Mass Communication Studies, Univ. of
Northern Iowa. lo
Univ  YUa rautnscucern dissukkIn article
<1992Nov15.215842.8913@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, hb003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
( haim yigal bodek) writes:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am attempting to chair a semiotics discussion group on my campus with 
> a primary emphasis on mass communication and motivation. I am looking for
> authors and resources to discuss. The more "scientific" works usually lead
> to more successful discussions, so I would appreciate suggestions along
> this line (I am hesitant to introduce Marxist,Freudian, etc. works, yet
> I confess that I like Baudrillard :) ). I include a list of
> planned topics in the hopes of orientating my request.
> 
> Barthes' Connotative Semiology
> "Dirty Doctor" Dichter's advertising essays
> Cherry's information-theory & language
> Baudrillard's "Cold Seduction"
> Wierner's On the Human Use of Human Beings
> Merleua-Ponty's essays from Signs
> Speech Act Theory
> (Lyotard, Eco, Foucault are possible tangents)
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> I thank all of you in advance. Haim Bodek  hb003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
> 
> 
> e
>   
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
From: cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca (Chris Voidis)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:51:25 GMT

    Hi, sorry to just jump in like this, but have you tried reading
Heidegger's essay, The origin of the work of art?  I think that it will
give you both a different insight into what art is, and help you both
out of the cycle of objective versus subjective, art versus science,
etc. 
    The main point is not the subjective or objective points of view,
but the happening of truth in the work of art.

    	    	    	    	Peace!


-- 
    	    	    	    	    Chris Voidis
    	    	    	    	    York University
    	    	    	    	    Dept. of Philosophy
    	    	    	    	    cvoidis@nexus.yorku.ca

Xref: sparky alt.postmodern:2734 alt.cyberpunk:5952 talk.politics.theory:5009 alt.society.anarchy:749
From: kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Summary: history and sameness
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:41:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.postmodern
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov13.165429.15722@ils.nwu.edu>, hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
[text deleted]

> If history teaches us anything it must be that while techology may change
> the retaionalizations for class strucutre,  it may even change the members
> of the classes and their relations to one another,  but the classes remain.
>  Their form hauts human history.
> 

The Dr. Seuss story is indeed allegorical of modernity and its sign systems.
These sign systems function in an allegorical mode as well; but not in the
sense that they model and tell a story of how things are, rather, in the 
sense that they are used to refer to metaphysical values that exist beyond
them.

I'm not sure that I can agree with the invariable concept of class that you
propose.  First, it seems to me that if interpersonal relations change
within a class, then one may already be looking at a different class.
Second, the concept of class itself really doesn't become figured in the 
literature (European) until the late 17th century.  As such, it can be argued
that this class dynamic is historically specific and does not "merely" haunt
human history.  

The problem is similar to when the German critic Walter Benjamin deals with
the term "aura".  Benjamin discussed how mechanical means of (re)production
strip the work of art of its aura.  Aura is the singularity, the sense of 
presence, that the work of art possessed prior to the advent of mechanical
reproduction of works of art.  But the irony that Benjamin points out is that
aura was not something we were aware of until the advent of mechanical
reproduction, until we began to sense its loss.  Therefore, according to
Benjamin's logic, something like aura can only be sensed consciously,   
represented, in its decline, as it receeds away from us.

In modernity, as sign systems appear to become more volatile, the social
stratification also begins to shift.  The bourgeois and its petite  
counterpart may be seen sunning themselves on the same beach.  In the
19th century literature, then, the problem becomes one of attempting to
find new invariable signs to enables us to make heads or tails of who
belongs to what class.  But the signs move faster than our senses and we
are unable to definitively define.  Similarly, classes are in flux (until
Reagan).  But static classes can only be talked about in their absence and
in C++.

Kevin Brooks
kbrooks@emx.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:51:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1ebqjgINN886@uwm.edu> pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pellervo Kokkonen) writes:
>In article <BxvnAF.5HE@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>  Let's suppose a painting contains a great truth.  How do you
>>  tell?
>
>	Painting is a non-linguistic act of communication. It can
>	be true without you _telling_ anything.
>
>	I think the same applies to religious experience. You do 
>	not expect an explanation from a physicist to believe.

  But how do you know if it's true?   If I say a painting is true  
  and you say it's false which is it?   If your answer is "true
  for me and false for you" then you're saying it's subjective
  and that the truth or falseness is not in the painting but in
  the viewer.    But I say that a smallpox vaccination renders
  someone immune to smallpox *regardless* of whether he believes
  it or even knows he's been vaccinated.


---peter



  

Newsgroups: alt.gobment.lones,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: test
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:51:39 GMT

In article <aslakson.721460855@pico> aslakson@pico.cs.umn.edu (Brian Excarnate) writes:
>Hi Kibo!  I got a job!

In which sense?
							-- K.
From: mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Doubleplusgood)
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: Any party ideas for OUR party?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:21:28 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

We are having a party soon in our flat, little or no money but wish to make it
a party to remember.....

Any ideas?

(We thought about fancy dress thing and get pissed but not sure)....


-- 
********************************************************************************
Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
********************************************************************************
From: wpt@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: Margaritas!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:00:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wpt@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Taylor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



	Any good margaritas recipes out there??  I've tried several
mixes and a coupla of homemade versions, but nothing seems to satisfy.
I must own the perfect Margarita!!  Post or mail me, and after exhaustive
research and product testing i'll post a summary :)
-- 
William Taylor  CWRU '92                 "Never knew something so strong
wpt@po.cwru.edu                              Could be washed away by tears
Indiana University PhD Chem              But this wall of denial
"That's _DR._ Taylor to you.."               Was just built on fear"    -SRV
From: wilsonandrew@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: BOREDOM STRIKES YET AGAIN!
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:08 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

SMUGGLE FARM ANNIMALS INTO YOUR FLAT! THROW DARTS AT YOUR LANDLORD! IF YOU 
HAVE A LOFT, SET UP CUSHIONS ON THE FLOOR AND HAVE DRUNKEN BALCONY DIVING 
CONTESTS! PARTY NAKED! CROSS DRESS. HAVE A "LATEX N' BONDAGE" STAMINA 
COMPETITION! EXPERIMENT WITH INGESTING VARIOUS HOUSEHOLD PRODUCTS! SHAVE 
YOUR NEIGHBORS CATS AND PAINT 'EM BLUE! PIERCE YOUR GRANDMA'S PRIVATES!
SEE WHO CAN STAND ON THEIR HEAD THE LONGEST WHILE RECITING MARCEL PROUST!
PLAY "DON'T WHIZ ON THE ELECTRIC FENCE!"
ENJOY!

Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: wlei@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Lei)
Subject: ~{C?HUSDD,~}1992.11.23 
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:07:36 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: yiz@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Yi Zhang)
Subject: Re: Question - How to read alt.chinese.text?
Followup-To: alt.chinese.text
Organization: UIUC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.035634.9226@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
lee@rinconada.stanford.edu (Fung Fung Lee) wrote:
> 
> In article <SUN.92Nov10114309@corwin.eng.yale.edu> sun@ghostwheel.eng.yale.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov10.082253.25713@leland.Stanford.EDU> lupkeen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lup Keen Ng) writes:
> >
> >>   Hi, I am new to this newsgroup.  Can anyone please tell me how to
> >>   read the Chinese characters on a Mac?
> >>
> >
> >The only utitility to read Chinese newsgroup on a Mac with Ed Lai's
> >Subtitle. You can get it from ahkcus.org under the directory src/Mac.
> >I cannot make it to work on my Mac+ because of the memory problem.
> >
> >-- Kang
> 
> 
> Another convenient way to "read" (vs. write) Chinese on a Mac
> is to run "chirk" on UNIX (or VMS, etc?) while logging on through a
> terminal program capable of Tekronix emulation, such as VersaTerm.
> However, VersaTerm is not free. I urge readers who know of any
> (free) Tekronix terminal emulation programs post the names of the
> programs and their required platforms (PC, Mac, ...) to this newsgroup.
> Presumably, some of these information will be incorporated into the next FAQ.
> 
> -FFL

NCSATelnet2.5 has Tek termianl emulation.(for Mac) You can get it free by
anonymous ftp to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu 

Yi Zhang
217-244-3966
yiz@ncsa.uiuc.edu
From: BGB9@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (BGB9)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: ~{=qHUPBNEU*R*~}92.11.16~{@nPA~}
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:47:10 GMT
Organization: McGill University

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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text,soc.culture.china
From: zhou@okra.fnal.gov (Ping Zhou)
Subject: PIG-mode v1.1
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:19:23 GMT

OK. As I promised, Pig-mode version 1.1 is ready. For those who don't know
Pig-mode is a elisp package for inputing ZW in Mule or Emacs into GB. The new
version has CiZu input capability, e.g. to input ZW word Ji4 Suan4 Ji1 any of
the following would work, ji4suan4ji1, ji-su-j, j-s-j, jsj, j.s.j, ...(you got
the idea), assuming it's in your Ci2Dian3 of course. I also cleaned up and
reorganized many other things.

It's available for anonymous ftp at linac.fnal.gov, pub/pig-1.1.tar.Z. The
readme file is available separately as README.pig in the same directory.
Any comments, suggestions and criticisms are welcome.

Enjoy!

-Ping

-- 
		    Put Your Favorite Quote Here.
For information contact          zhou@linac.fnal.gov | zhou@fnal.bitnet
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: ~{=qHUPBNEU*R*~}92.11.22~{@nPA~}
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:42:52 GMT
Organization: McGill University

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From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Re: Help Needed on SubTitle...
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:21:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <yzhou.722211800@xongmao> yzhou@xongmao.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>Does anyone have any experience with Subtitle? I have some trouble to
>follow the README file.
>
>In README, it says that "you can launch SubTitle, then go back to your
>terminal emulator program and use the SubTitle FKEY to patch the DrawText
>call in your terminal emulator." Does anybody know how to "use the SubTitle
>FKEY to patch the DrawText call in your terminal emulator."?
>
>BTW, I'm using NCSA Telnet 2.5, and I want to read the chinese newsgroup
>alt.chinese.text from a Mac through Telnet.
>
>Your help is highly appreciated.
>
>
>joe
>ya-zhou@uiuc.edu
>(217) 244-0014

To install a FKEY, copy the FKEY to your system file using either ResEdit
or some other FKEY utility. If the FKEY resource ID is 7, then to inovke
the FKEY, hit apple-shift-7, if id is 5, then hit apple-shift-5 etc.

NCSA Telnet 2.5 is one of the very few program that you can use subtitle
with. I do it everyday.

/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: yang@mtu.edu (WHY aKs WHY)
Subject: Re: I found Butterfly Love!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:48:56 GMT

does anyone out there know if the ftp site dale.ssc.gov is the only place
where we can get chinese songs/music?

thanks!

XY
 
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Zwdos to video?
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:15:22 GMT
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: cursor, suppress
Summary: Can DOS cursor be suppressed for video output

Can the Zwdos package be used for video output to a video recorder? If so,
how can the DOS cursor be suppressed?
(Sorry REPLY function is unsuitable at this site).
--
Brian Shaw   hrpbds@pnv.palm.cri.nz           ~{2<@36w!#Ot~}
HortResearch      fax +64 63546731            ~{PBNw@<T0RU<0J3F7QP>?Q'T:~}

Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: wlei@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Lei)
Subject: ~{C?HUSDD,~}1992.11.17  
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:31:44 GMT



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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: lfang@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Lijiang Fang)
Subject: (none)
Originator: root@neumann.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:42:11 GMT


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From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Subject: ~{=qHUPBNEU*R*~}92.11.19~{@nPA~}
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:50:33 GMT

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From: blblam@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Bernard Lam)
Subject: RE: How to Read Chinese Text on Usenet: FAQ for alt.chinese.text
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:05:08 GMT

Keywords: 

I have problem installing a chinese text viewer.

I downloaded the file cxterm-11.5.1.tar.Z from the site

 ahkcus.org:src/unix/cxterm*.Z

I uncompress it, make a directory called cxterm, and typed 

tar xf cxterm-11.5.1.tar <Return>
cd cxterm <Return>
xmkmf <Return>

Everything seems to be OK up to this point.

Then I followed the instructions in README and typed

make >& all.log <Return>

and I got an error message in the file all.log

(I have deleted everything when I write this article, and I forgot what
the message was, sorry!)

Can somebody tell me what's wrong?

Thanks,


Bernard Lam


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