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From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Anything happen to ASA?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:47:59 GMT

seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen) writes:

>Tried calling the American Ski Association 1-800 number 
>and was greeted with a "Sorry the 1-800 number you called has
>been disconnected and no further information is available at this time!"

>I have a SkiAmericard account which I have enjoyed over the past couple 
>of seasons, but I'm a bit concerned that ASA might have gone under?

>Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Here are the numbers off my '93 card:
  1-800-527-0700
  1-303-294-9020

Mark, mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challeng
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:21:40 GMT

In article 3976@edsr.eds.com, hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>>>> I don't know about the rest of the people hanging out on this group, but I
>>>> find this attitude very bothersome and at odds with other newsgroups I read
>>>> on the net.
>>>
>>>Oh boy.. Here we go again...
>
>Actually, all off-the-topic banter and bullshit that goes on in this group
>is what makes it one of my favorites.  It behaves more like a normal
>conversation than any other group I subscribe too.  ....

Here! here! or is it, Hear! hear!    ?!??!?!??

>Now, where'd The Shark go?

Was it a LandShark?

--Chris
From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:31:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Just enough to get by...

In article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com>, allyn@netcom.com (allyn)
wrote:
> 
> Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
> in the state of Colorado. 
> 
> Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
> groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
> 
> If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
> consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
> British Columbia.
> 
> We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
> was wrong!
> 
> Remember! Boycott Colorado!!


Except if you do this you'll be hurting the wrong groups - the people
within the state of Colorado, who did, in fact, oppose Amendment 2.

Boulder, Eagle (Vail) and Pitkin County (Aspen), (and I suspect 
Denver and Summit County as well) all voted against Amendment 2. 
The amendment passed on the strength of strong support from the
very conservative eastern counties of the state, which are
all farming country and not supported by the ski industry, and
the western slope, which is again is for the most part not 
tourism supported.

-Nick

P.S. Why do I feel like I have to apologize for the state I live
in all of a sudden :(

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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:57:32 GMT
	<1992Nov08.203413.20517@bnr.ca> <9339@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
	<1dltvkINNf50@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

'Tis time for me to comment.

Whether you come to Colorado or not this year is not my concern.  You have
every right to withhold your hard-earned funds from any organization or
community that operates counter to your values (I often do it myself).
However, before you jump to the conclusion that 53% of Colorado's voters are
hate-filled bigots, I'd encourage you to read the Amendment for yourself.  If,
after reading the Amendment, you think that it is hateful, bigotted, and a
clear violation of your values, I hope you will express that to those that you
will boycott (otherwise, they'll never know!).

On the other hand, if, after reading the Amendment, you come to the conclusion
that it is *not* hateful, bigotted, and against your values, I trust you are
committed to speak with your pocketbook as willingly as you were to boycott.
After all, if you can't, your integrity is in question!

I have read the Amendment multiple times and read the historical evidence.  I
have also read the perspective of a number of major civil rights leaders on
this particular Amendment (and the issue of minority status for homosexuals).
I hope you will, too, and then that you will draw your own conclusions.

I have a deep compassion for homosexuals.  I care very deeply about the people
that I meet every day.  I am neither hateful nor bigotted.  However, I care
deeply enough about those people currently under civil rights protection that I
cannot in good conscience support minority status for homosexuals.  Please
don't base your decision on name-calling and heresay.  Get the information
directly from the law!

--    the above opinions are my own and are independent of my employer's    --
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Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 17:18:45 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Boot Sizes


Anybody willing to do a quick post on boot sizes from the various
manufacturers?
From: ruby@raid.dell.com (Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Questions about Steamboat
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:17:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: raid.1992Nov12.171727.26297
Reply-To: ruby@raid.dell.com (Ruby Pan-Ratzlaff)
Distribution: na
Organization: Dell Computer Co

Hi, we're considering going to Steamboat in late March or early April.
I'd like to get some opinions of Steamboat at that time from this vast
pool of knowledge..

What are the prices like?  lift tickets, restaurants, etc.
Which condos are recommended?  We'd like to get one that's ski in/ski out
   or at least within 10 minutes of the slopes.  Prices?
What are the recommended "apres ski" to do's?  Any restaurant 
   recommendations?
Is there usually much snow still at the end of March or beginning of 
   April?
What percentage of the trails are blues and what's black?
Finally, what's you general opinion of the place.

Thanks a bunch for the info.

Ruby
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From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Colorado Pass?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:15:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

I'll be moving to Colorado soon and I was talking to someone this weekend who 
told me about something called a "Colorado Pass", he said its like a season
pass for Colorado residents and is good at all Colorado ski areas. He wasn't
sure if it was a season pass or more like a discount card.
If anyone has information this deal I'd appreciate your sending it on to me.
Info like how much does it cost, where do you get one, who can I call for
more info, etc. TIA


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From: sbaker@marlin.dr.att.com (131P70000-BakerSA(DR7603)236)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:28:36 GMT

In article <1dltvkINNf50@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, GE777009@brownvm.brown.edu (j. cole-steele) writes:
|> [ stuff deleted ]
|>
|> ... this newsgroup is about skiing, and issues related
|> to skiing. if we were talking about the parking problems of
|> most ski resorts, or the price of lift tickets rising,
|> or problems with housing at ski resorts, would you direct
|> our conversation to rec.skiing.parking_problems? or some
|> other newsgroup?
Umm, I don't think Ammendment 2 said anything about sexual orientation
of skiers.  Unless they outlaw orgasmic powder, I don't see how sex
(oriented or otherwise) has anything to do with schussing my favorite
slopes.

|> 
|> What happened in CO with ballot measure 2 is very important
|> to the ski industry.  It will keep many vacationers from
|> spending their money in that state. it will affect many
|> of the resorts that we discuss on this newsgroup.

I doubt it will have 10% of the impact of a major  upslope dump
during a televised home Bronco game :>

|> 
|> Colorado is not a country unto itself.  This boycott,
|> and talking about the boycott is a way of showing CO that
|> the legislation is not well received.  When the discourse
|> is stifled is when it can happen in your state, and who
|> will be there to protest on your behalf?

Ammendment 2 also took away the rights of _hetrosesuals_ to make
discrimination claims under the ordinances in Aspen, Boulder & Denver.
Last time I checked, heterosexuality was a sexual preference too.
I guess that places sexual preference in the same unprotected category
as fat & bald people when it comes to (job, housing, fill-in-the-blank)
discrimination.

|> 
|> [ more alarmist dribble deleted ]
|> 
|> jcs who will not be skiing in CO this year.

Goody.  More powder for the rest of us :>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: swelch@hp-4.cae.wisc.EDU (Steven Welch)
Subject: Big Mountain, MT vs. Jackson Hole, WY (again)
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:28:37 CST
Originator: swelch@hp-4.cae.wisc.edu



	I am making my annual trip west to Bozeman, MT with the usual
large crowd of classmates to my uncle's ranch. I do this because I grew
fond of some of the bars while working on his ranch, (I was introduced
to them by my co-workers, Montana State Univ. rodeo team).
	My dilema(sp?) is to decide on which place to go to, Big Mountain
or Jackson Hole. I had immediately thought Jackson Hole, but my uncle
insists that Big Mountain is a can't miss. I will also be going to the
best kept secret in the West, (the powder of Bridger Bowl). Do not 
suggest Big Sky because I have been there quite a few times. It is a nice
place.
	Any input would be appreciated, we are leaving for a week begin-
ning Jan. 7. We are serious partiers and serious skiers. Hell, were young.

Thanks,
Steve 
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Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:38:00 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rE: re: BOYCOTT BoyCoTt bOYcotT 


recently, kreider@axon.ee.upenn.edu has written:

>Wow.  Just three weeks ago r.s'ers were out to roll back ticket prices with
>a crippling industy-wide boycott.
>
>Now social reform!
>
>Is there nothing that can stop these madcap skiers when they put their minds
>and their pocketbooks to it?

The mind boggles! Tickets sales are down by 5 (tickets) since last year...

looks like I have to go back to social reform school :-)
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Alternative to bibs
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

I think a one-piece or zip-together suit are the best choices, especially if
you ski powder at all.  I also have a pair of Spyder Demo stretch pants that
are Entrant (like GoreTex) that I wear without long underwear...

Make sure that whatever you buy comes up high enough in the back, allows you to
move freely, and is easy enough to remove in the restroom (remember the wet
floors in most ski area restrooms!).
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Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
From: johnh@eas.pdx.edu (John Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Timberline to open
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:54:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: eas.johnh.16.0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland State University


Very typical, but Timberline Lodge at Mt Hood, Oregon, followed suit today 
and announced (after Bachelor) that they too plan to open the 92/93 ski 
season this Wednesday, November 11.

I'll predict that that McMeadows, although no announcement yet, won't be 
able to stand it and will open regardless of their conditions.

John.
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Avalanche Beacon Wanted
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:13:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.201348.16318
Organization: University of Washington

jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade) writes:



>Wanted:  Avalanche Beacon/Transciever

>I'm getting tired of resort skiing and plan 
>to do alot of backcountry skiing this year.  I'd appreciate your adice on the
>best brands and models on the market. I'm also interested in a good used 
>one if anyone has one they arn't using anymore.

If you're planning on buying a beacon, make sure it is double frequency,
since the old American frequency is being phased out.  A lot of people are
trying to get rid of older single frequency models.  Don't buy an old
Ramer with the non-adjustable volume.  I think it's very difficult to
pinpoint a buried victim with one of these.  I don't know about the new
Pieps models, but I had an older one where the earphone disintegrated. 
When I replaced it, the beacon quit receiving, but would still transmit. 
It's a very poor design.  I replaced it with an Ortovox that I like quite
a bit, and which can also be fitted with a visivox visual signal
indicator.  Ramer just came out with a new beacon which looks pretty good,
but was expensive when I last saw it.
From: jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:03:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Nov7.223427.22341@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>  Sorry folks, Colorado has enacted something very hateful.

	I'M SORRY!!!  Really, mike, that's taking it a little far.  I by no
means agree with the decision on amendment 2, but that doesn't mean that
I'm going to stop skiing, become a hermit, and move away from Colorado.
Donn't blame everybody who lives in Colorado for thhe actions of 53% of its
people.
> The ski
>industry is certainly Colorado's most visible industry and probably
>one of the largest revenuewise. It makes sense to let Colorado, all
>of Colorado, know that they cannot be completely free of the 
>responsibilities of their actions and the rest of the world will 
>just look the other way. 

	That's nice to say, and I agree with you that people are
responsible for their actions, but I'm not going to deprive myself of doing
something i enjoy just because I live in a state that just passed a hateful
bill.  There are children starving in Somalia, Mike.  Isn't it WRONG that
you and I ate dinner last night?  Maybe we should boycott skiing in
Somalia, too.

>  But you say that only the innocents will be hurt? I find it
>difficult to be too sorrowful when a class of people have just
>been told they are persona non grata. What about them? 
	
	I don't know about your time, but I don't have enough time to jump
on the bandwagon for every cause that comes my way.  In the past year, I
have been accused for ruining the indian way of life,  stealing water from
the Southern Ute Reservation (I was kayaking at the time), Destroying
old-growth forests (working in Construction to pay my way through school),
and now, discriminating against gays by skiing in Colorado.  I try to live
my life the best way I know how to, and I'm getting real sick of being the
"opressor" at every turn.
 
> This
>seems to me to be a classic case of blaming the victim.
	
	And boycotting colorado skiing seems to me to be a classic
combination of curing the flu with a shotgun while cutting off your nose to
spite your face.

>  What if Colorado had just passed an amendment which repealed
>anti discrimination legislation against say race, but not 
>religion. Could you in good conscience spend your recreation
>money there? 

	Ahh, the hell with it.  I'm going skiing. 

>
>		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
>	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
>		-- Hobbes to Calvin

Joe Skaggs  (jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu)
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: learning to ski - complete beginner
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:53:42 GMT

This is probably a FAQ but I am new to this newsgroup
so please excuse me.

I wish to learn to ski over next couple of months
and am looking for somewhere to learn, say for a weekend
on real snow. I would like to just go somewhere (pre-arranged)
and use rented quipment and get a weekend of lessons.

Can anyone suggest the best way for me to get information,
or can anyone recommend a ski-school or some company that
can offer such weekends. I live in the Bay Area, and somewhere
not too far would be best (Northern Calif. say>>)

I have never been skiing ever.

Any help appreciated.

Please e-mail replies to sgossain@projtech.com.

Thanks!

Sanjiv 
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From: allyn@netcom.com (allyn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Boycott Colorado
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:25:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
in the state of Colorado. 

Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.

If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
British Columbia.

We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
was wrong!

Remember! Boycott Colorado!!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Re: TEXAS SKIERS SAY WHAT?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:22:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.skiing

One of our favorite Texan quotes was from an old guy trying to teach a
younger fellow to ski.  He was obviously talking about bending at the knee
and ankle and getting pressure on the inside edge, but it was just the way
he said it.

     Hunker on down! That's right, mash on it!

You gotta get the twang on the "mash" to really do it justice.

Jon

PS

I'm not humor challenged, I just thought that a lot of comments I saw were
sort of selfish and mean spirited.  I would just like people to help each
other.  Teasing and jokes are fine and skiers are certainly prone to that,
but I've seen bad attitudes on the hill and on this board.  Of course, a
lot of those might be the knuckle draggers.  ;)

I just don't want to be called a party pooper.  The banter is great here.

Mash on it!
From: sbaker@marlin.dr.att.com (131P70000-BakerSA(DR7603)236)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colorado Pass?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:27:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.001129.8275@dazixco.ingr.com>, dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) writes:
|> In article <1dlrq3INNd2p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering) writes:
|> |> I'll be moving to Colorado soon and I was talking to someone this weekend who 
|> |> told me about something called a "Colorado Pass", he said its like a season
|> |> pass for Colorado residents and is good at all Colorado ski areas. He wasn't
|> |> sure if it was a season pass or more like a discount card.
|> |> If anyone has information this deal I'd appreciate your sending it on to me.
|> |> Info like how much does it cost, where do you get one, who can I call for
|> |> more info, etc. TIA
|> |> If you mean the "Colorado Card", ......
|>  [ useful info deleted ]

Actually, Colorado Ski Country USA has (had?) a pass good at ALL member ski
areas including Vail & Aspen.  I think they marketed it at corporations here
for entertainment of clients, etc.  If I recall correctly it was VERY expensive
but was transferrable (I think it was around $1500 a couple of years ago, if
memory serves me correctly).  Some ski areas sell transferrable passes to local
businesses which use them as an employee perk.  In every case I'm familiar with,
these passes are much more expensive than the individualized vareity.

You can reach CSC-USA at (303) 837-0793 if you have any more questions.

Regards,

Steve Baker
AT&T Bell Labs
Denver, CO
sbaker@druhi.ATT.COM
< If I am caught expressing my opinions, the secretary of AT&T will disavow any
knowledge of my actions >
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:55:51 GMT

Well, I didn't want to get in on this thread, but I feel I must.  What the
Colorado amendment is saying is that a) homosexual orientation or activity
is not to be considered a reason for minority status, and b) discrimination
suits cannot be brought about because of sexual orientation.  As I gather,
most people agree that "a" is fair, but "b" is not, thus they should boycott
Colorado until they change their mind.

Basically, this doesn't make sense.  The owner of a company has every right
to make a good and healthy work environment for his/her employees.  If for
instance some man is known to be a womanizer, adulterer, etc., etc. (even if
he doesn't perform any sexual advances in the workplace), the employer can
fire this employee because the conduct is detrimental to the overall work of
company.  Thus, the heterosexual cannot bring up a discrimination suit because
of that.  He is not a minority.  Same thing applies to homosexuals.  If they
are not protected by minority status, they should not be allowed to bring up
suit because of that.      

That being said, I agree with everyone else that further discussion should be
moved to some other newsgroup.