From: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Subject: Re: emotional tarot readings?
Followup-To: alt.pagan,alt.divination
Date: 7 Jan 1993 09:58:14 +0100
Organization: University of Duisburg
Reply-To: hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: unidui.uni-duisburg.de
Summary: Problems with Death + Deavil in Tarot

Hi there - Stayka is here!

First apologies to following-up to this thread in alt.pagan, although
it seems to belong more to alt.divination, but as I found it in the
pagan group, I think the follow-up should be directed here as well.

redsonja@src4src.linet.org (Red Sonja) writes:
RS> In article <1993Jan1.202521.20605@serval.net.wsu.edu> 
RS> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
RS>
WJ> How do you overcome the fears/concerns of others in readings when they 
WJ> see or hear things that to someone skilled in the tradition mean one 
WJ> thing, and to someone not skilled means something else?
WJ>
WJ> I never have been able to figure this out, and for that reason am _very_
WJ> reluctant to give readings to others.
WJ>
WJ> Comment?
WJ>
WJ> Bill
RS>
RS> The way I was taught, a person gets out of a reading what they put into
RS> it. They generate the question and are the one(s) most concerned with the
RS> answer. There is no *overcoming* their fears or concerns because those
RS> are an elemental part of the reading, without those fears and concerns
RS> there would be no purpose to the reading. Death and the devil are, as
RS> aforesaid, the toughest cards to explain to someone already afraid, 
RS> upset and ignorant to the symbolism. 

When I'm doing Tarot readings, and I know that the people I'm reading the
cards don't know the Tarot at all, I first give a short introduction what
I can do with the cards and what not. (For example I do NOT believe that
I can do actual readings of the FUTURE, I can only show POSSIBILITIES -
and I always tell the people I'm reading the cards that THEY have all the 
means to take a better path in the multiple existing possibilities than
the one which is at the moment shown in the cards. - That is directly 
connected with my belief/philosophy that everyone forms the universe 
through hir dreams, imagination and actions.) Please note that I refer
explicitely to ME. I would not deny that there may be others who CAN read
the future as it will happen, but that is another talent that I do not 
seem to have. I refer to the Tarot as applied psychology, and I must admit
that my favorite deck in divination still is the Rider Waite, though I
have about twenty other decks as well (I like those marvellous art works!).

*I* think it's best to tell your 'clients' about cards like Death, Devil 
or several of the Sword cards BEFORE they are drawn. Then they don't feel
too concerned about their appearance. In fact I found out that those 
clients are proud to know more than other people when they don't consider
Death or Devil as the evil cards as they SEEM to appear when they show up
in a divination (also a form of applied psychology...).

Walk with the Gods that you respect!
                                        Stayka deyAvemta

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