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From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Clip art/Paint Program
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:17:06 GMT

In article <92325.181912U24421@uicvm.uic.edu>, U24421@uicvm.uic.edu
(David Child) writes:
> WordPerfect Presentations 2.0 has been shipping in the U.S. for about a week.
> If you have DrawPerfect, the upgrade is $99.  If you work at or are a full-time
> student at a college or university, you can get the package for $135 U.S.  Yes,
> the list price from WP is $495, the same as all their other major products,
> but the street price in the US for WordPerfect is approximately $230-$260.
> How do those prices translate into OZ dollars?
> 
> Currently, Presentations is shipping with Sound Blaster (not Sound Blaster Pro)
> as part of the product.  Although this is a DOS product, it comes with the look
> and feel of a Windows product--button bar, pull down menu, etc.  The Windows
> product is supposed to be shipping sometime in the first quarter of 1993.
> (I wonder if the Presentations team is racing the WP6.0 team for earliest
> release :) .)

I saw the pre-release demos, and this is a very nice product. 

Apparently much of the functionality of the "big" Windows products (like
CorelDRAW! and MicroGrafix (sp?) Draw, but as David says, in a DOS app
with a very "windowy" feel.  As an example, you can place some text,
draw a curve, select both objects then "fit" the text to the curve.  You
can import raster images (TIFF, PCX, etc) as part or all of a graphic,
edit them as bitmaps, but even better, there is a built-in autotrace
which "translates" your bitmaps into fully scalable vector images.  This
leaves DrawPerfect for dead, and current owners can trade up for quite a
reasonable price (compared to the "big" products").  As someone else
mentioned (and where this thread started), the standard package will
ship with a quite reasonable clip art library, and as always, there will
be add-on collections.

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:46:21 CST
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From:         "Nalley, Gary K." <nallegk@OKRA.MILLSAPS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Labels printing too high

>>I'm using the Avery 5260 label macro and the appropriate labels, but the
>>labels print a little bit too high on the physical page.  Is there any
>>way to get the printing to start ca. 1/4" lower down on the page?  I'm
>>printing on an NEC LS890 PScript laser.

You have probably already checked this but will ask the obvious,  Is it doing
this just on the labels or on other print outs as well?  We have had *SEVERAL*
lasers shipped to us with the printers internal top of form off and we had
to manually adjust the printer.

All the lasers we have (IBM, DEC LNOx) have an internal hardware top of form
adjustment.  But be sure this is the problem or other print jobs can be messed
up...

Gary

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From: ECON1286@MIZZOU1.BITNET (John Bigelow)
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More on purchasing WP:  Here is the WP price list provided by campus
computing:

    WordPerfect Ver. 5.1 For IBM PC                                  02/20/92

WordPerfect Ver 5.1 - IBM
IBM                                    Word processing
Departments Only

Description                              MINIMUM Price     Where To Acquire
WP 5.1 Sta.Pk - Enhanced Kybd (required)         $30.00    14 Heinkel
WP 5.1 Sta.Pk - Standard Kybd (required)         $30.00    14 Heinkel
WP 5.1 Manual (optional)                         $25.00    14 Heinkel
WP 5.1 Disks, 5.25"(optional)                    $15.00    14 Heinkel
WP 5.1 Disks, 3.5"(optional)                     $15.00    14 Heinkel
WP Workbook (optional)                           $15.00    14 Heinkel

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From:         JLSTERN@DELPHI.COM
Subject:      Wrapping justified columns

>I've just come across a problem from one of our users - I can't seem to
>solve it.
>
>She's using columns, namely Newspaper-type, to generate a newsletter in
>columnar format.  So far, so good.  Now, she's writing an article, but wants
>to terminate the column part way up the page and continue it in the next -
>[HRt] is the way to go, naturally.  But what happens is that the text in the
>first column is justified, but if the column doesn't happen to end at the
>end of a sentence, the last line is not justified (as would happen if [HRt]
>was being used to terminate a page instead of a column).  Hence, this effect
>is seen:
>
>     I have a  dog and  its      it's white or whether
>     name is Spot, and it's      it's  not,  I am glad
>     sometimes  white,  and      that   it's  my  dog,
>     it's   sometimes  not,      my dog Spot.
>     but whether
>
>The "but whether" is not justified - it's treated as the last sentence of a
>paragraph, even though the paragraph is broken by [HRt] to force the new
>column.

Don't use HPage to end the left column. Let the text flow naturally from the
left column to the right. To stop the text at a specific position on the
page, position the (non-columnar) text at the bottom of the page inside
a user box, with no borders. The columns will flow around the box
automatically, and maintain their full justification.

Jerry Stern
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Subject:      Diamond Stealth Video and WP4Win

Machine = AST 486/25 with 25/50 DX2 chip, Diamond Stealth 1024 video,
          1024x768 mode

In order to display any graphic I must select the 'Display Graphic in B/W'
otherwise the screen 'collapses' into a pattern reminiscent of a horizontal
hold failure.  This only occurs with WP4Win, all other applications - no
problems.

The solution of B/W works, but I would like to get color display.  Documents
that include color graphics display satisfactorily on my other system, after
being created on the machine listed above.

Any suggestions, etc would be appreciated.

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From: mgingell@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Gingell)
Subject: Getting Setup information automatically - How?
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:20:18 GMT

   I have a large set of macros that I have developed for generating standard
documents but I am having trouble automating the installation process.  What
I want to do is to create a macro that will install the other macros such
that I can run wp5.1 as "wp /m-install.wpm".  What I need to do is
determine the location of the wp macros directory, (typically 
specified in the setup menu (Shift F1,6,2)). Since not all of the PCs here
are set up the same way, it would be useful to get the macros directory name
from setup (if possible) so that I could copy the macros from the floppy
to the specified macros directory.
   Is this possible?  Does anyone else have any suggestions as to how I
could install the macros?  Any help would be greatly appreciated, otherwise
I will probably end up installing them on every PC here.

Thanks,

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Mike Gingell
Command and Control Engineer
Department of National Defence
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Phone:  (902) 427-4875
E-Mail: mgingell@fox.nstn.ns.ca
From: chuck@SBS.ALBANY.EDU (Charles Pierce)
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Please remove me from this list.  Charles A. Pierce.



 -Chuck.

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:17:29 GMT
From:         Richard Donkin <richardd@HOSKYNS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Alexandre technique
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              "menardm@HG.ULETH.CA" at Nov 20, 92 10:50 pm

menardm@HG.ULETH.CA wrote:
>
> I am exploring the use of the Alexandre technique as a means to reduce
> possible problems associated with continual use of the computer.  Does
> anyone know of the technique, specifically has anyone heard of certified
> Alexandre technique courses?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> menardm@hg.uleth.ca (marlene menard)
>

I am learning the Alexander technique for this purpose, i.e. to help recovery
from RSI.  ('Learning' is the way they describe being treated and learning
better use of the body).

It does not have a very rapid effect, but has gradually helped my posture
and reduced the pain through relaxing and lengthening muscles that were in
spasm and shortened.  I have a one-to-one class every week, and try to
do 20 minutes practice every day - the latter is crucial to success, without
this you may as well not get into it.

There is an association of Alexander teachers in the UK, and I'm sure there
is one in the US - try your nearest alternative bookshop to find the
address of the US equivalent.

Richard

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From:         Pam Otsuka <pam@HPSRMJS.SR.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Alexandre technique
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              20 Nov 92 22:50:22 -0700. <9211210557.AA01643@relay.hp.com>

>I am exploring the use of the Alexandre technique as a means to reduce
>possible problems associated with continual use of the computer.  Does
>anyone know of the technique, specifically has anyone heard of certified
>Alexandre technique courses?

>Thanks in advance.
>menardm@hg.uleth.ca (marlene menard)

In England there is a Society of Teachers of The Alexander Technique,
where AT teachers have to undergo a three-year teacher training program.
In the USA, there is no school for formal certification, so I would
suggest that you check the background of prospective teachers carefully.
I was introduced to the technique through a workshop presented by the
musician's union.  You might try contacting your local to see if they have
any names.

My History:
I was diagnosed with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and treated by a
doctor who gave me anti-inflammatory pills to lessen the pain and tingling.
Then I was diagnosed with neck and shoulder inflammation and went to a physical
therapist for massage, heat treatments, and exercise work. IMHO, these
treatments were good, but they only helped a specific local area in slowly
lessening pain, whereas the Alexander Technique takes a more holistic look
at *prevention* of the causes of pain.

I took Alexander Technique lessons for about four months earlier this year,
two times every week.  I plan to continue as soon as my schedule lightens
up.  The lessons for me divided themselves into about three parts, learning
to sit and stand, lying down, and walking.  The teacher will touch various
parts of your body to make adjustments where he/she sees excess tension.

I am a computer scientist by day, violinist by night.  (I think the
violin playing actually made me more sensitive to the effects of misuse on
the computer.)  I went from dreading-to-come-to-work-
and-not-being-able-to-practice-violin-because-the-pain-was-so-bad to
virtually pain free.

My teacher has started a program in the San Francisco area that comes
on site to businesses to help with their ergonomics. I don't want this
to become an ad, but if you are interested, send e-mail for more details.

--
Pam Otsuka 4US-Q
Hewlett-Packard Company
Santa Rosa Systems Division
1400 Fountaingrove Parkway
Santa Rosa, CA 95403-1799

email:  pam@sr.hp.com
phone:  (707) 577-4743
fax:    (707) 577-5433
From: sheehan@BRONZE.UCS.INDIANA.EDU
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Date: 18 Nov 92 20:49:47 GMT
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Reposted here by the author's request.

>       Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:12:24 -0500 (EST)
>       From: klonowsk@FX2800.Dal.Ca (Maria-Teresa Klonowska)
>       Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome - diagnosis and treating
>       To: C+HEALTH@IUBVM
>       Cc: klonowsk@AC.DAL.CA
>       Message-id: <9211171812.AA18864@FX2800.Dal.Ca>
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>
>       There is an interesting paper on Carpal Tunnel Syndrome in the recent
>       Canadian Family Physician:
>
>        "Carpal Tunnel Syndrom" by J.L.Mahoney and A.B.Dagum
>        Canadian Family Physician, vol.38, November 1992, pp.2681-86.
>
>       In the table of Contents it has a note:
>        Diagnosing and treating the most common hand disorder.
>       (Yes, CTS is not a "computer disease", its lifetime incidence is nearly
>         10% in the general population)
>
>       There are 16 References given at the end, and the note:
>        Request for reprints: Dr. James L. Mahoney, St.Michael's Hospital,
>                          30 Bond St., Room 420B, Toronto, ON, CANADA M5B 1W8
>
>
>       Dr. W. (Vladimir) Klonowski
>       klonowsk@fx2800.dal.ca
>       klonowsk@ac.dal.ca
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From:         Pardeep_Sharma@ROCK.INTERSOLV.COM
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          Kindly remove me from the list

          Pardeep Sharma

          thankx.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:34:32 GMT
From:         Richard Donkin <richardd@HOSKYNS.CO.UK>
Subject:      RE: migraines and computers
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              14, 92 3:03 am

I don't know much about migraines, not having them myself, but a
friend of mine who suffers from them found that trigger point therapy
(a.k.a. myotherapy) helped a great deal.

He had been suffering for a day from migraine, and had tried his usual
remedies to no effect.  Then, he picked up a copy of a trigger point therapy
book I had lent him (primarily to manage his RSI) and looked up 'headache'.
He followed the charts, applying deep pressure on the specified points
on the head and neck, and stretching the muscles afterwards (very important,
and not usually done in shiatsu, which is otherwise quite similar).
Within 5 minutes the pain had gone completely.

Migraine probably has many causes, but it is worth exploring this technique
to see if it helps.  You can treat yourself or get professionals to do it.

The book to get is 'Pain Erasure - The Bonnie Prudden Way, by Bonnie Prudden'
(Ballantine, New York, 1984), ISBN 0-345-33102-8

Bonnie Prudden Inc is the certifying body for myotherapists;
call them on +1 (602) 529 3979 for details of therapists near you,
and for videos, massage tools, etc.

Incidentally, myotherapy is a good treatment for RSI - I've had it and
they generally get good results with RSI sufferers.

Richard

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From:         menardm@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject:      Alexandre technique
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I am exploring the use of the Alexandre technique as a means to reduce
possible problems associated with continual use of the computer.  Does
anyone know of the technique, specifically has anyone heard of certified
Alexandre technique courses?

Thanks in advance.
menardm@hg.uleth.ca (marlene menard)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:36:44 -0600
From:         sheehan@BRONZE.UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Listserver crash will inconvenience some of you....
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Subscribers and past subscribers:

Sunday night the machine that serves the C+HEALTH list crashed. The result
was that changes made to the list between November 3 and November 16 were
erased.

If you signed off or changed your options during that period I'm afraid
we're going to have to ask you to do those things again. Let me know if I
can help.

I sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. To prevent similar problems
in the future, the IUBVM list server files are now being backed up daily
(Hoorah!).

Persons who subscribed to the list between 11/3 and 11/16 dates will have
to do so again, too, but alas I have no way of reaching them. Sigh....

Cheers,

Mark Sheehan, list owner

Mark C. Sheehan
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From: ADM_FDOHERTY@JMUVAX.BITNET
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Subject: Re: moral and spiritual values?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:34:40 GMT
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I was asked to describe "spiritual" values to better define the issue.  I must
digress somewhat to define it.  Naturalism as a world view basically says that
we evolved from nothing by natural selection (chance?) plus time.  It says that
there is no supreme being who created the universe and that we are not
accountable to anyone except ourselves.  In this case there is no "spirit"
because there is no supreme being.  I believe this position is the official
position of our public schools.

In saying that we need to give spiritual values a place in education, including
public education, I believe we need to give another world view (theism) an
opportunity to be heard.  I think even Mr. Jefferson (This is what he's called
at UVA) would agree with this, given the quote I gave earlier.  Spiritual
values may mean that we acknowledge, like Mr. Jefferson said we should, that
there is a higher being to whom we are all accountable.  If we don't allow this
world view to be freely and openly discussed by students and faculty who so
desire in our schools, I believe we send a message to students that this is not
important.

I think we have been excluding the discussion of moral and spiritual values
long enough in the public square, to take a phrase from Richard Neuhaus.  If
we are to be truly a pluralistic society with pluralistic schools, then we
must allow a discussion of the possibility of a spiritual dimension to life.
To deny this is the height of censorship.  The Russians are doing this, why
can't we?

Isn't it interesting that many cry "censorship" when the work of Robert
Maplethorpe or, God forbid, Madonna, is taken out of the public school
libraries, but nothing is said by the same guardians of the public schools when
a teacher is not allowed to have a Bible on his or her desk.  What a crazy
world we do live in.

Frank Doherty
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              "ADM_FDOHERTY@jmuvax.bitnet" at Nov 17, 92 9:39 am

If, as Frank Doherty quoted Thos. Jefferson as saying, that these
liberties are Given by God,
how then can *man* disregard the liberties, or "rights" of some?

Anne Pemberton
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