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From: David.Galyon@f10.n3808.z1.fidonet.org (David Galyon)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Phoograpers On Scene.
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:32:57 GMT

*** Kurt Ullman was arrested for saying the following
*** to Bob Sherman whilst nude and painted purple...

KU>         As a reporter, I have been viewed some of my colleagues as
KU> somewhat of heretic.  However, many (if not all courts) would
KU> back me
KU> up.

I applaud your sense of judgement.  In a society where your peers make
more money writing for tabloids than you or I put together, its nice to
see a descent reporter. (kinda like meeting a descent lawyer, but not
quite! <Big Grin for the Barristers out there!>
David Galyon

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From: WRIGHT@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Amateur Radio/Ky scanner revised law
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:47:08 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

The post about the above was sent with a sig.
it should have been from ME

Tim Wright  KD4OVM
Dispatcher Morehead State University Police
BITNET:  WRIGHT@morekypr.BITNET
PACKET:  KD4OVM@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: Fidonet feed
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:48:00 GMT


I agree. Worthwhile info is fine and all should be welcome, BUT
the personal stuff should go. The trekkies HAVE a couple of their
own echos, listings or whatever. The patch swappers have other
places they ought to be, too.   And those of us not right next
door to HeebeeJeebee, NY  don't really care whether or not their
ambulance is back on the road this week. ;-)
-- 
       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio
       "It's not just an adventure, its a job!"
From: Ralph.Sims@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Netmail vs Echomail
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:09:38 -0800


I have been asked to remind folks that Fidonet Echomail and Usenet
newsgroups are not the place to carry out personal communications.  The
basic charters and guidelines of the groups need to be followed in order
to preserve their integrity.  This is not so much a problem with the
"usenet" side, as most of those folks have access to some sort of email,
but within Fidonet, email access is often restricted (which is a shame,
because email gets bunled along with echomail and travels essentially
the same routes, but that's another story.)

So, in short, please don't use the echo or the newsgroup for individual,
personal communications.

My apologies to the various co-ordinators for stepping onto their turf.

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: pulse ox, etc.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:41:17 -0800

 -=> Quoting Matthew H. T. Fulton to All <=-

 MHTF> From: Matthew.H.T.Fulton@dartmouth.edu (Matthew H. T. Fulton)
 MHTF> Did anybody else but me get a bunch of old posts rebroadcasted
from
 MHTF> "Munich"?
Got them here in scenic TN!


... Death is the unfortunate side effect of attacking a Cop!
 * Origin: The ACE of Spades BBS (1:116/33)

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From: jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung)
Subject: Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:27:41 GMT
Keywords: Lights

In article <1992Nov5.234205.8162@mel.dit.csiro.au>, jck@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) writes:
|> It is actually considered to be a bit
|> wanky if you have lights all over the place.

"Wanky" is a nice adjective!  

This is USA, Land of Liability.  Each additional light decreases a jury's
likeliness of believing that another motorist "never saw the ambulance."

While they definitely serve a purpose, some folks just like the lights, too.

Eric
-- 
Eric C. Jung                    Bellcore Advanced Software Environment
(908) 699-4684                  444 Hoes Lane  RRC 1S-222
jung@base.bellcore.com          Piscataway, NJ  08854
From: Joe.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Volunteer vs. Paid.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 22:03:00 -0800

TB>Origin: Who needs smoke detectors.. Sleep with a Firefighter
(1:137/222)


I _DO_ sleep with a firefighter..


         but _SHE_ says that you still need smoke detectors....


                                          ;-)

 * Origin: PowerLine 315-865-4070 Marcy NY (1:2609/7)
From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: About the program: j
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 09:56:00 -0800

CE>>It is like somebody else was talking about on a Law Enforecemt
  >>conference on another net, It shows what is going on, but they cut
out
  >>the slow stuff just to get to the real exciting stuff.  They out to
  >>ballance the exciting stuff with the slow stuff  You cannot
exprence
  >>what goes on unless you are a cop or like me and EMT. The exciement
and
  >>stuff.  I've heard that all cops fire fighters and EMT/Paramedics to
a
  >>smaller extent are adrealin junkies.  I do it because I want to
help.

To some extent you have to be to function effectively in high stress
situations. Part of the job is being able to go into a situation were
everyone else is very emotional and get the job done in a quick, calm
and efficient manner. That little rush you get is one of the things
that
allows you to do just that. BTW: I think most of us do this because we
wnat to help.

regards


KMA

FidoNet : 1:2604/111
CServe  : 71035,2365
Prodigy : PMBN50A
Internet: kevin.agard@f111.n2604.z1.fidonet.org
          71035.2365@compuserve.com


 * OLX 2.2 * ANYONE WHO CAN'T WAIT A WEEK SHOULDN'T OWN A GUN!


 * Origin: Deredain's Realm BBS - Home of NJ EMT & Paramdedic Assoc.
From: Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: T-Shirts.
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:34:00 -0800

What size ???

 * Origin: KEEP A FIRE FIGHTER WARM THIS WINTER, TAKE HIM TO BED...
(1:132/182)
From: Skip.Menzies@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Skip Menzies)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: MT-500 Low Band 33MHz
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: remote.721525017.F00037


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From: Tom.Batchelor@f222.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Batchelor)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: question
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 12:36:00 -0800

Any personnel affliliated with London Ambulance Service (LAS) or 
London Fire Brigade that read this message, please respond. I wanted 
you to carry a message to a friend of mine (kinda a pen-pal) who 
works for LAS... His name is John Hackney.
Thanks!
Tom.
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From: Brian.Matlock@p2.f54.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Matlock)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: SOFTWARE
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:49:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: remote.721371553.F00013

On Nov 04, Shreyas Shah wrote:  
 BM> Partially.  I need the FidoNet address (net/node number).
 SS> Sorry, the Fidonet address is 1:278/702
 SS> Shreyas

Thanks.
Brian  

 * Origin: Beavercreek Fire Dept, Beavercreek, Oregon (1:105/54.2)
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Voulunteer FD and Lights
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:57:21 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <721033958.F00020@remote.halcyon.com> Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips) writes:
>> The siren must be audible from 500 feet, and the lighting requirement is
>> alternately flashing red lights to the front and rear, visible from 500 feet
>> in broad daylight.
>You may want to make lights visable from 360 degrees... 

No argument. I was listing the minimum requirement, not what I would (and
have) personally run.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
From: Mike.Kregness@f4.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Kregness)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Phoograpers on scene.
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 14:47:00 -0800

     This discussion is so interesting,  but might I interject yet

another point of view.  I am  a FF, FR-D for a rural Iowa heavy
rescue unit (vol.) . I am also a self employed commercial
photographer.  I've been a photographer for 15 years and just
turned 31.  I started as a newspaper photog. in high school and was
present at several scenes.  There were others who photographed
accidents for the paper, and I remember some pics of a doa a guy
had taken. Neither the photo editor or any of the other
photographers apporved of this guys shots (& we let him know).

  The point is  some photogs might
not show appropriate behavior at a scene. That is a problem with an
individual photographer not photographers in general. You know....
kind of like the paramedic that gave all you EMT-Ps such a bad name.

A good photog should exhibit certain standards of conduct at a
scene.
         Ask permission when working near the action area.
            {from someone not working with the patient}
         Ask about any scene hazards I should know about (wires ect.)
         Ask where I can shoot from to stay out of rescuers way.
             (All these can work for you  &  the reponders)
  These are a few of the things a good photog will do to help you
and  help protect himself.  In 1992 you are as likely to get sued
as a photographer on a scene for obstructing, as you are as a
responder for care administration. A photographer on a scene has
to consider his personal liability for his actions there.
The courts have proven that civil suits often have far removed
defendants.  Just one more reason to stay out of the way.


       Mail 2.10 #0:You're only as good as your last run.

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From: Frank.Fisher@f1.n3638.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: BACK SUPPORTS?
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 14:41:00 -0800

Rob- The zip code at the Fire Academy, I think, is 60605. I have a back
support but I have never used it.  I was promoted out of the field
before they were issued.  Quite a few of the people I know use them all
the time. - Frank


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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches++
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:15:00 -0800

Paul,
        What is the number of your board (xxx-yyy-zzzz).  Where would
that file be located?  Thanks again.


              George

PS: What is a good FidoNet to write to YOU.  I have to start using
private nodes when on these subjects (got into some trouble).  Thanks..



 * Origin: PARADISE, BBS -Rochester, NY- (716) 621-7637 (1:260/237)

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:58:12 EDT
From:         WRIGHT@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Amateur radio/Ky revised scanner law

The Kentucky Scanner Law Revised - section concerning Amateur Radio

KRS:432.570
Possession or use of radio capable of sending or receiving police messages
restricted; penalty; enforcement

4) Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the possession
   of a radio by:

   a) An individual who is a retailer or wholesaler...ect

   b) A commercial or education radio or television station, licensed by
      the F.C.C.

-->c) An individual who posses such a radio, provided it is capable of
      receiving radio transmissions only and is not capable of sending or
      transmitting radio messages, at his place of residence; licensed
      commercial auto towing trucks; newspaper reporters and photographers;
      disaster and emergency services personnel authorized in writing by
      the state director of disaster and emergency service (for state personnel)
      or the chief executive of the city or county (for their respective
      personnel); a person holding a valid license issued by the F.C.C.
      in the amateur radio service; peace officers authorized in writing
      by the head of their law enforcement agency, Commonwealth's
      attorneys and their assistants, county attorneys and their assistants,
      except that it shall be unlawful to use such radio to facilitate
      any criminal activity or to avoid apprehension by law enforcement
      officers.  Violation of this section shall, in addition to any other
      penalty prescribed by law, result in a forfeiture to the local law
      enforcement agency of such radio.

This is the new scanner law provision that includes us Amateurs.  I have
discussed this section with some local attorneys and they feel the way
I do about this new section:  The law lets us have a scanning radio in our
vehicles but that radio better not be able to transmit no matter what the
frequency is being used.  If you don't get this message try re-reading
the first 3 lines in section "C".  No matter if one is using the local
repeater, if that radio can scan it better not be able to transmit.

Something else I noticed in this law comes under Paragraph 3.
We all know that if convicted the radio equiptment is forfeited and/or
destroyed.  Well, even if you are not convicted of a violation, the
equiptment may still be ordered destroyed, forfeited, or escheated
that stinks.

Tim Wright  KD4OVM
BITNET:  WRIGHT@morekypr.BITNET
PACKET:  KD4OVM@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
From: Dave.Pfister@f702.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Pfister)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:56:00 -0800

Shreyas -

 With regards to your statement of 3's in New York, you are correct..

Until recently AEMT-3's (Now recognized as EMT-CC) in Nassau County
could *not* intubate.  The only procedure they could perform (in the
airway management area) was placement of the EGTA.  

You are correct also when you say that NYC doesn't recognize 3's.

The volly department I run with has about 40 A3's and A4's
(Emt-CC/Emt-P) (aside from the 60 or so EMTs) and I'd say only about 3/4
are ET certified.

Intubation is now part of the curriculum in Nassau County at both
academys.

-Dave

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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:11:54 EDT
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
Comments:     Resent-From: <MEG04@ALBNYDH2>
From:         MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MAST Question

                           Mike Gilbertson
                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
*** Forwarding note from MAILER  --ALBNYDH2 11/05/92 15:44 ***
 "(Kenneth R Aron)" <kra@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
 comments:

	While there's not a snowball's chance in hell I'm going
to doubt the State's EMS director, this brings up a few
questions.  If this is the case, how come the protocols we
recieved from the City in April or May had these MAST protocol
changes in them?  Also, during my EMT course,we were instructed
not to worry about using the leg straps to a KED because they
weren't used in the City.  When I went home to Nassau Co. the
local VFD had the straps as part of their protocol.  What's the
difference there?  Please explain.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The answer to Ken's question is that the mast protocol changes were
agreed to over the winter (last winter.....this is bureaucracy, and
it moves at glacial speeds); there were discussions over a number of
other issues which dragged the final approval out until last March.
Then some of the upstate hospitals got very upset at the idea that
trauma patients should go to trauma centers (a novel idea from the
1970's!), so there was further delay so that they could be persuaded
that not every surgeon is capable of caring for a trauma patient.
That finally got settled at the June EMS Council meeting, so now
we sit and wait for the actual printing to occur.

On the KED question:  no protocol is specific to a device.  So it's
a matter of proper training.  The principle is that when you apply
a splint (which is what a backboard is!), you immobilize both sides
of the joint (or joints).  So, a short backboard should have leg
straps applied until the patient is on a long board and a strap is
over the hips.
From: John.Linko@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Problems in the office with group survival kits (theft)
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: remote.721450091.F00048

How about a plastic or aluminum SEAL across the handles of the kit, 
marked with the date of the last check or restock of the kit, and who

did the check, restock, or seal. The seal is broken every time the kit 
is opened. Whoever restocks them after use notes this on the seal and

applies the seal as described above. If you see a kit without a seal, 

you can readily identify those kits that may be in need of restock or 

may have had items removed from them.

We use these in our area for airway kits and first-in bags. If you need

info on manufacturers, etc., let me know. JL


 * Origin: SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA (1:129/26.0)
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: comparing FA courses
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:39:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com

>Just to let everyone know, Earthbound is not unique in the sense that
>they teach from an EMT level.  SOLO (Stonehearth Open Learning
>  SOLO (Stonehearth Open Learning
>Opportunities) in Conway, NH also teaches Wilderness modules for EMT's

Gen,

Sorry that you misunderstood. Earthbound is unique in that the Wilderness
first aid course they teach to 'non-EMT' and even those with no prior
first aid training is taught from the persepctive of the EMT curriculum
vs. a Wilderness situation. This point however is not a critical issue
by any means and was not meant to be taken as a competitive challenge.

We don't compete with SOLO, as most of our personnel recieved their initial
training there. It's a wonderful school and an excellent program. Also,
Earthbound currently has no geographic competitors in terms of a true
wilderness medicine courses.

>contact me for info

Please allow me to correct another possible misunderstanding.

You do not have any information on Earthbound Medical Rescue. If you would
like information for future referance, please feel free to call.

While you may have information regarding SOLO, wouldn't it be better for
you to pass on their number?

Regards;

Greg Dilley

Earthbound Medical Rescue 
Wilderness Medicine training (non-certification)
408/275-9542

SOLO (WEMT, EMT/WEMT crossover mod., Wilderness First Responder programs)

Conway, New Hampshire 
603/447-6711
From: robinson@stout.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re:      Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:50:55 GMT
Organization: Brown University, Providence RI 02912
NNTP-Posting-Host: stout.geo.brown.edu

In article <01GQTSTKRAIA96WI06@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET> writes:
>TOO many lights are dangerous.  Studies showed that red and blue lights draw
>fatigued and drunk drivers directly at your vehicle.  I was shown pictures and
>an article, where a normal traffic stop turned to hell.  A police officer was
>doing a routine stop on a highway, and he left his full light bar on.  HE
>reporetd seing a truck pass through FOUR lanes of traffic, go 15 feet off of
>the shoulder and slam into his car.  The car was totalled and driven into the
>officer.  He wasn't seriously injured.  In some states now, the only lights

In Newport RI, the PD learned quickly when they got new lightbars and
Crown Vics... an officer was "run over" when doing a routine stop on a road
and had his full lightbar going...

Well, the lightbar blinded a passing motorist and the motorist struck the
officer... the officer wasn't seriously injured (thankfully).

Today, Newport PD, when parked legally at a scene shut down the lightbar
totally and use hazard lights.  When parked illegally at a scene, they
use the bottom lights of the lighbar only (usually bright amber lights
or white lights).  They loved the new lightbars because the old Whelan
bars were "invisible" but quickly learned that BRIGHTER and FLASHIER
doesn't mean better!

[stuff deleted...]
>John A. Ternay
>Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
>Pre-Medical Studies                             R.I.T. Ambulance
>MD2B                                    Cornwall Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
>                        "Trauma Junkie"
>            "We make house-calls....all night long"

Darrin
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From: Hank.Przybylowicz@f839.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Hank Przybylowicz)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: GREETINGS!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 16:54:13 -0800

Greetings and felicitations to all from beautiful downtown Newark, New 
Jersey. I'm kinda new at this so I'll just introduce myself and move on.
I am 
the Chief of Communications for the Newark Fire Dept. and have been on
the 
job for 20 years. I started as a dispatcher (a.k.a. Fire Alarm Operator)
and 
worked my way up through the ranks via promotional exams. My hobbies
include 
computing, emergency videography, cooking and rock music. There are a
few 
others too. Are there any other professional communications types out
there? 
If so, why not drop a line. Incidentally, I've been watching the
"Emergency" 
trivia quiz going on here and found it very interesting. Here's another
one; 
does anyone remember a show called "Rescue 8?" If so, what were the 2
main 
character's first names and what were their real names?
   I'll be watchin'.
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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: J FF
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 06:31:00 -0800

Dwayne,
        Thanks for your reply, we identify our members by yellow jackets
(FF have black and yello striped jackets), Black and blue stripped
helmuts (theirs are yellow, and red for officers, white for  chief),
ours is orange.  Thanks again and if you need any thing let me know.

                        George Vaisey
                      Explorer Post #708

 * Origin: PARADISE, BBS -Rochester, NY- (716) 621-7637 (1:260/237)