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From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:09:30 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov10.092220.18218@news.uit.no>, kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjell Irgens) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.220520.6234@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
>>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
>>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
>                                                        ^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> This is _bullshit_, and that makes your whole article luck silly.....
> comp.sys.amiga.advocacy don't need this kinda crap!

	Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true.  Besides, it is
yoru advocacy area, but I am not going to just read BS by you guys
stating thta your Amiga 500s can run circles around my 486.
	I will concede that I firmly believe that an Amiga 4000 with
the right software.
	Furthermore, the key point I made, I have never SEEN an Amiga
set up that can beat my setup in terms of graphics, sound and animation.
This is true.  I have seen a LOT of Amiga set ups and they all bring
me over to show me how great their Amgia can do this and I leave with
a slight headache over their blurry monitors, their 4 channel digitized
squawk noises and lemmings cartoons and space demos.  These machines
are generally Amiga 500 and 2000s.  Now we can sit here and argue that
the Amiga 1200 could do such and the Amiga 4000 can do some incredible
thing, but the point is, how many of you actually have an Amiga 4000?
Face it, most of you have Amiga 500s, 2000s and maybe a couple of you
hvae an Amiga 3000.  My machine could be made better too.  Afterall,
we could argue back and forth with lines such as "We, they have
an IBM with the mega ultra graphics and 24 channel sound, etc." and you
can volley back "well, the Amiga 4000 has a new 24 bit super graphics
animator with 72 channel, 120khz sound sampling..." or whatever.  The
key point, I have a machine that whips any Amiga 500 and 2000 in terms
of sound and graphics and animation.  Maybe eventually I will meet someone
who has an Amiga 3000 with animation that will make my head turn, but
I am not going to hold my breath.

							-Brad



> 
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.164428.3353@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Quoth skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls):
>
>]> >	I agree Skip, that 486 is probably going to cost what the A4000
>]> >   does without a monitor.  But, that 486 is also going to have a much
>]> >   larger HD, more ram, and a monitor.
>]> 
>]> Larger HD yes, maybe 2M more RAM.  As for the monitor, I'd like to see
>
>You also missed a point... while the 486 will have larger HD/ more mem, those
>resources are REQUIRED to run OS2 or WindersNT (if it exists) or whatever.
>These are hidden costs, of course, but if you lose 20 mb of drive space and
>a meg or 2 of RAM to support a multitasking GUI environment, what have you
>gained?

I would expect the HD to comparitively larger than what OS/2 needs.

>Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]          * fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
>jeff_grimmett@f1401.n202.z1.fidonet.org  * jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:51:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <root.02rb@rkamiga.UUCP>, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.233145.8885@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.163300.6254@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov9.200117.27089@cs.olemiss.edu>, skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>< much deleted >
>>>and basing it on the old IBM XT or something (which you didn't do but
>>>you have seen it on this conference) is pretty offensive too.  Unless
>>>someone here happens to have an IBM compatible with 16 megs of ram,
>>>OS/2 2.01, Coprocessed 24bit video and also has an Amiga, I don't think
>>>people should say that the Amiga "blows" away clones as a general
>>>statement.  There are too many clones out there with too many options.
>>>One could say "Amigas blow away the typical clone setup." and I wouldn't
>>>argue with that.
>>
>>I have just such a system as you describe and I have an A1000, and A3000,
>>and will have an A4000 in a day or so.  Since I meet your qualifications,
>>I can say whatever I want to about how bad the Clones really are compared
>>to the Amiga.
> 

	Then you must not know how to use your clone very well or
at least your boss apparently doesn't have many apps or you have
some sort of secret magical stuff for your Amiga that no store has.


> --
> Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
> 
> 		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
>
From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ##### A1200 RELEASED NOVEMBER ##########
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:06:57 GMT
	<pl159410.721438259@academ01>
Organization: Computing Research Lab

>>>>> On 10 Nov 92 23:30:59 GMT, pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) said:
>> Nntp-Posting-Host: academ01.mty.itesm.mx
>> Need I remind everyone that a 68000 can also address 16MB of RAM???
>> And that 8 MB of it is devoted to the mapping of ports & internal system
>> usage??
>> Therefore, you would only have <8MB USER RAM. 
>> There. 

interesting, i've got nine megs in my 68000 machine. guess i'll have
to die. :)

c.
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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:13:46 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article from x90wardell....

Some of us -have- used other machines than Amigas, and PREFER, believe it
or not, to use Amigas.  Me, I've been working on Excel spreadsheets on a
Mac the past couple of days, and getting a refresher course in just how
much I would pefer to be on some other app on some other hardware.... 
ProCalc needs a lot more work, but there are some things that I find it
preferable to using Excel for!

As for other stuff, every time I sit down at a PC compatible, I get annoyed
at the user interface....


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From: larsm@ii.uib.no (Lars Magnus Nordeide)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE NORWAY FOLDS!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Keywords: norway monitor 
Reply-To: larsm@ii.uib.no
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:38:59 GMT

In article 08hf@pnilsen.UUCP, petter@pnilsen.UUCP (Petter Nilsen) writes:
>In article <runehy.8.720698367@dhhalden.no> runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO) writes:
>
>> CBM Norway has gone from 29 people employed to just 8 people in one month or
>> so.Those who are left are not even good. I mean they no almost nothing
>> about the Amiga at all, just PC.
>
>[more bullshit deleted]
>
>This is plain bullshit. *None* of the Amiga folks have been laid of, these
>changes ONLY affect the PC division. The reason for this is that Commodore
>wants to compete in price with the cheap-ass clones out there. Therefore, there
>is a much closer relationship between all the Scandinavian Commodore divisions.
>As a developer, I have a close relationship with Commodore Norway, so I should
>know these things. Terje Malja, which is the Product Manager for Amiga here
>has also stated publicly that there's NO change in the Amiga division.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^

... except that all hardware now ships from Denmark, which increases 
delivery time. At least that's what my dealer told me. 

Other than that, I agree with you totally. Mr. Hyldmo didn't know what
he was talking about. There is a difference between folding and
restructuring.

The only complaint I have is that the 1960 monitor didn't get a 
NEMCO approval (it didn't pass the Norwegian requirements for 
electrical equipment). So it is not going to be sold in Norway.
Anybody have a suggestion for a monitor (that can be bought in Norway)
that I can use with my A4000 I am going to buy next week?

--
Lars Magnus Nordeide, University of Bergen, NORWAY
larsm@ii.uib.no
"Hey! Somebody has stolen my quote!"
From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: ***** Please fill out this Amiga survey *****
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:33:40 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu


Please fill out the survey below!  E-Mail to pdietz@cse.unl.edu

The information is for my Cartography class here at UNL.  For our final
project we are to design 4 or 5 thematic maps pertaining to any topic we
wish....  it should however convey a message.

I decided to do mine on the Amiga since it will be fairly interesting to see
the survey's results compared to Commodore's actual results.

As soon as I get permission from Commodore, I will FTP the maps in GIF format
to wuarchive and amiga.physik so everyone can enjoy them.

------------------------------------------------------------
All People are welcome to complete the survey!  
The more the BETTER!!!!!

I encourage foreign users to reply to get a world opinion.
------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you much.
Phil Dietz

======================================
Name:
Age:
City, State, and Country you live in:

How long have you had an Amiga?
How many Amiga dealers are in your city?
How many Amiga dealers are in your state (a guess)?
How far is the nearest Amiga Dealer (a guess in miles or km)?
How many User Groups are there in your state/country (a guess)?
Does your friend also own an Amiga?

How many commercial Amiga software products have you purchased?
;count everything including games, wp's, etc.

Summarize what you like to do with your amiga into a category:
;ie music, games, telecommunications, biz, etc.
Summarize what you WANT to do with your amiga into a category:

Rate your degree of Amiga knowledge from      0-100  (0=new user):
Rate your degree of Amiga programming skills  0-100  (0=none):
Rate your approval of the Amiga from          0-100  (0=hate):
Rate your approval of Commodore               0-100  (0=the worst):
Rate the degree of Amiga support in your area 0-100  (0=none):
Rate your investment in your Amiga system     0-100  (0=very little): 

Have you heard of a program called newlist?
If so do you use it?
 
Do you ABSOLUTLEY LOVE science fiction (ie Star Trek TNG, etc.)?

================================================

Thank you very much.  E-Mail please to save USENET bandwidth.

--

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From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:08:54 GMT


>: 	5. Built in power supply. (a brick again?  jeeez!)
>
>Sheesh... Care factor zero Mr Sulu!
>
>: 
The built in power supply fucks up the sound, on an Atari 520STe at least, 
if you connect it to your stereo you can hear the 50Hz all the way down to 
Calcutta. Built in power supplyes make no sense on toy computers like the 
A1200 and the Falcon 030.
From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: If A600 ~= C64, Does A1200 ~= C128?
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:37:47 GMT

In <1992Nov8.190003.5517@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Well, what do you think?

>The A600 has been called the next C64 by some parties.  Does this make the
>A1200 the next C128?  In terms of packaging, pricing, marketing, etc., there
>does seem to be some sort of pattern.  I don't recall the exact numbers, but
>I believe that the C128 sold fairly well, perhaps on the order of 3 million
>machines.  If Commodore can sell 10 million or so A600s, 3 million or so 
>A1200s, and another 1-2 million A3000s and A4000s, the world would be a much
>nicer place.  Imagine 20 million Amigas worldwide...  :-)

>And if history repeats itself, there will be an A1200D in the near future.
>That should satisfy the folks who want Commodore to sell either an A1000
>style or pizza box style Amiga.

>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


No, the A600 is the 16 bit Plus-4/Commodore 16. Most people I know
with A600s are trying to sell them to buy a A1200. The A600 was a good
little machine, but it was a stopgap in between the OCS and AGA, so
for that matter was ECS, just read some of the stuff that was said on
this board when ECS was released 'Where's the power?' etc.

The A3000 is now just a zombie, and will be replaced by the A4000/030,
the A3000T sort of fitting in between it and the A4000/040, until the
A4000T/040 comes out...

Games will still be produced for the OCS (how many ECS games are
there?) but the capabilities of the AGA machines will mean that
software developers will have to produce software for them... Many
applications have been/are being ported.

Using an AGA machine under 3.0 is like using a whole new machine, a
sort of Amiga++

This one will roll and roll...

----

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:21:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>It's nice to see Amiga uses who try and help other potential users by
'>suggesting what machine would best fit their needs.  It's a shame the
'>IBM community doesn't share the same consideration and tell people to
'>use Amigas for graphics and sound rather than trying to convince them
'>that an 80x86 based machine is the end-all-be all of computers.

	I can see for graphics maybe, but why sound?  PC's and MAC's seem
  to have a lot better hardware/software sound support then Amigas do.  The
  times I've looked through magazines like Electronic Musician or Keyboard
  Magazine the computer stuff is all for PC's and MAC's.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


'>David Griffiths  / / Internet: griffita@sfu.ca
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Marc Barrett... More lies?  Film at eleven.
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:13:33 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov13.054353.18497@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie) writes:
> Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
> : In article <sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
> : >It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
> : >Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
> : >
> : >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
> : 
> :    The price of the Quadra plus $300.
> : 
> : >-Brian :)
> : 
> : ---
> : | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> : --------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> WHAAAT?
> 


Yes, Marc.  I am sure we all are waiting to know what the hell you are
talking about.  Please enlighten our stupid brains...

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: === 1200 Released this Week ====
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:41:44 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

>In article <Paula_Lieberman.070k@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>> the increment from 68000 -> 68020 -+0> 68030  IS visible.  And, for stuff
>> that is doing a lot of internal processing and not doing lots of memory
>> access, a 68030 on a 16 bit bus will outperform an  addressing-limited
>> 68E020.

Almost never true.

BTW, the adressing limitation of the 68EC020 doesn't affect performance.

Regards,
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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:07:54 GMT

In article <1dc5o2INNhtd@TIGER.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> schumacher-jeffrey@cs.yale.edu (Jeffrey Schumacher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.200102.3941@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>
>>uh, I would think it would be pretentious for anyone from the state o cheese
>>to use words with more than three syllables, but hey, its ok to try, greg...
>
>I would think it pretentious for anyone who attends Purdue University
>to use words with more than three syllables.  Actually, this statement
>is silly, just as your statement about "anyone from the state o
>cheese" is silly.  Your comments demonstrate how bigoted you are: you
>make derogatory comments about a whole state based on the responses of
>*one* person from that state.  If you must flame one person, fine;
>please don't show your immaturity by flaming everyone from the same
>state!
>
>BTW, before you make comments about Wisconsin's educational system,
>check the facts.  For example, isn't its state university system
>regarded as one of the finest in the nation?
>
>Now, everyone, please let this stupid thread END!  It doesn't belong
>in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.  Mr. Seifert, if you would like to make
>comments to me, send them via private e-mail, okay?  Everyone else,
>please simply ignore Mr. Seifert's postings unless they are related to
>the Amiga.  Mr. Seifert is like a teenager who makes prank telephone calls: he
>just wants to get a response.  He won't go away unless he doesn't get
>any attention.
>
>>mike seifert, defender of the american way (much like judy reisman)
>
>Jeff Schumacher, from Wisconsin and damn proud of it!


whoa, a yale boy....


enough is enough,  Jeffrey, calm down 
I'm hardly prejudice against everyone in Wisconsin, (good lord, its got to
be a better state than indiana)...  

obviously all of my postings have been to get a response, and I know everyone
realizes this (at least I hope everyone realizes this)  The wisconsin thing
is just a simple insult...hell I dont even know if hes from wisconsin... 

Im hardly a bigot, only mildly sexist (hey, Im still young...), and really 
only enjoy annoying people who are upset by such talk...  Perhaps Im the
only person in the world who finds such talk entertaining (but I know 
someone has to watch Married with Children out there...)  

mike seifert, exit stage right
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: === 1200 Released this Week ====
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:37:04 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Paula_Lieberman.070k@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
> re article by Ian Kennedy -- the low end Macs have 68030 engines, which are
> more capable than 68020 engines, especially 68E020 engines that are memory
> access{ crippled......

MMU, data cache.  AmigaDOS doesn't use the MMU, so you're talking about the
relatively minor data cache, and the faster instruction timings.

>  the 16 bit bus on the low end Macs is something
> the average Mac user hasn't got the sophistication to even be aware of, but
> the increment from 68000 -> 68020 -+0> 68030  IS visible.  And, for stuff
> that is doing a lot of internal processing and not doing lots of memory
> access, a 68030 on a 16 bit bus will outperform an  addressing-limited
> 68E020.

... and the only place you will see this crippled '030 outperform the
crippled '020 is in benchmarks that fit in the cache, because your average
applications sure *DOESN'T*.  You do know the difference between the
address and data busses, right?  That last statement really makes me
wonder...  BTW it's a 68EC020...

Glenn Doiron
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From: drkhoe@nmt.edu (ONID)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:22:19 GMT


Our society is beautiful...   Our lovely society...   Our battered, raped
women, abused children... I love it!!! I wish there was more!!!

After all, the only way to solve all these sociological disorders:

END THE HUMAN RACE!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
You fucks should pick another newsgroup to write this garbage in...
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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:22:20 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Dan Stephenson:  But the time you spend drooling over an ad
is no PRODUCTIVE time that gets equipment designed or built, and probably
doesn't increase the probability that you'll buy the supposed product that
the excuse for the ad.....   


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