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From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:35:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <1992Aug31.190332.27503@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
shiv@htlv.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson)) wrote:
> 
> In article <bjag-310892131657@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
> >> >medicine are perfectly honorable professions and at least some people go
> >> >into them out of a sincere desire to contribute to the world around them. 
> >> 
> >> When you meet one, please let us know :-)
> 					^^^^^
> 
> >
> >I hate to tell you this, but as you should have guessed from my vehement
> >defense, I'm married to one (that is a lawyer, who went into law out of a
> >sincere desire to contribute to the world around him). And--no, he doesn't
 
> Geeez, calm down.  I too know trustworthy desi physicians.  But going back
> to the original (or one of the earlier) posts, how would you explain that
> 50% of young Indian-Americans consider a career in Medicine.  I think that
> fraction is far too high for it to be a sincere, altruistic interest.  Maybe
> if it were 10-20% that would be easier to accept.
> 
> Shiv

Don't worry, I don't upset that easily. Someone asked me a specific
question and I just wanted to answer it. I object to the stereotypic
treatment of any group, be it lawyers, doctors, or scientists. My sister
once told me that generally humanities majors think that scientists are
cold unfeeling people who don't care about people. I think there's a
general tendency for people to imagine that the people they work with and
spend their time with are somehow more honerable then the people who've
chosen other professions. I think there are  some variations among groups,
in the amount of "honor" they have, but not as big as saying scientists are
"good" and lawyers are "bad". 

As far as why 50% of indian-americans consider careers in medicine, I think
there are a lot more innocuous reasons why that's so, than that everyone is
out for the money. I've read that 25% of indian males in this country are
physicians. That means that about 25% of the families have doctors in them,
and it's a lot more likely that someone will consider a career that a close
family member has already pursued. For one thing, it means that they have
an idea of what it's like to be in that career, for another, it means that
they know how to prepare themselves for it. 

I also think that the respect & the possibility of actually having useful
knowledge  associated with medicine is an important factor for indians. My
sister, who's not at all scientificly inclined, said that she felt some
qualms about not having pursued medicine when she recently visited india,
because she wanted to be able to help our relatives in their questions
about medical problems. Medicine is such practical skill, unlike, for
example, knowing everything you ever wanted to know about geophysics or
astrophysics or visual cortex electrophysiology. 


Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
From: murthy@margaux.inria.fr (Chet Murthy)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: WERE NOT MINORITIES!!!
Keywords: suprise, bullshit
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:27:55 GMT
Organization: INRIA Rocquencourt,Le Chesnay, France.

Actually, the classification "minorities" is, fully written out, more
like "underrepresented minorities".  Wake up to the real world.
Those grants are to immprove the lot of people who never had the
kind of chances that most people on this newsgroup have.

Sure, our parents worked hard.  Sure, we work hard.  But those
grants are for people who _really_ have it bad.

It's only justice that we don't get those grants - just as it
is justice that white people don't get them, either - they're
not for "brown-skinned", or "minorities" - they're for racial
or ethnic segments of the population who have historically
been excluded from jobs, education, and a place in the
middle class.

--chet--
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.indian.american
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Date: 26 Aug 92 20:17:31 GMT
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Distribution: ba
Organization: DSG, Stanford University


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: What's in a name ?
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.135458.5243@infonode.ingr.com> vak@infonode.ingr.com (Vansantha Kandasamy) writes:
>Is having a Christian name an advantage or not for an Indian ?


The answer is "may be." I think having an easy-to-remember name is a
definite advantage in any place, especially for a wannabe writer. In the
case of your friend David Christ, the caller probably didn't expect a
a foreigner to answer; truly some opportunities are not meant for 
foreigners. 

Murthy
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Oh No, Mr. Billlllllllll...........!!!!!!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:20:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug25.125715.13345@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <BtIJuM.Aut@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>>
>> [...stuff deleted...]
>>
>>************************************************************************
>>I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccck!!!!!!
>>
>>trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>>************************************************************************
>>
>
>AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>
>what has this world come to!!??  mass pandemonium!  seas boiling!
>dogs and cats living together!!!  what next???!!!!
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
                                    SEPARATION!!!!!!
> >:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) >
>hi trina!
>purna
-Saumyen
From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: WERE NOT MINORITIES!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:33:33 GMT
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program



> a brand new grad school in computer science. while talking to the chairperson
> i was told that a: the school recently got some scholarships for grad students
> but it was only for minorities adn b: i was not a minority. this is a federal
> grant so they have to go by the governments rules and by their rules indians 
> are not minorities!

We were not officially considered minorities (i.e., racially distinct
from the majority) until fairly recently.  We are now classified as
"Asian Indian."

This may not help you, though, as "minority" scholarships and grants
are usually reserved for a very specific set of minorities -- groups
that are considered disadvantaged or underrepresented in an area.
Typically, these groups are African-Americans, Native-Americans, and
Hispanics.

What the chairperson probably meant was: "you may be a minority, but
for the purpose of these scholarships, you are not considered a
minority."  Check with the source of the scholarship to make sure.

Kris Popat
MIT Rm. E15-355  Cambridge, MA 02139
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: SCAA & Caucasian
Organization: -
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:56:49 GMT

Sorry. I posted the last article, included below, in a hurry. 
Upon proper attribution and a minor correction it should read:

Manish wrote:

>              Consequently, when a friend of mine from Singapore called
> me caucasian last year, I was horrified.  I felt as if somebody had called
> me whitewashed, or a coconut ;).

I heard the term 'banana' from a chinese friend of mine twelve years ago.
Ever since I have wondered if there was a similar term for Indians who pretend
they are not Indian. 'Coconut' fits that description very well.  Thanks.

Regards,
Raghavan

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: gee, that's........quaint
Reply-To: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204311.25647@nas.nasa.gov>, raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
>Sthan writes:
>
>>Note: I separated Purna and Trina from Alok's deputies explicitly,
>>they remain quite unmentionable. :-)
>
>Just setting things right regarding "Alok's deputies".
>
>Purna was appointed [ :-) ] by Alok as his successor, but he refused;
>Trina, of course, is Alok's nemesis. I don't think either of them would
>like to be called that.

yes, i DO recall this little "appointment".
'memmm-o-ries....from the corners of my miiiind..."

>Purna, you have been replaced by 'debchat' as the latest victim of name 
>confusion, though it has been a few months since Alok called you, a 'she'.
>Recently someone on s.c.i. asked if Deb Chatterjee (Yes, *the* debchat
>for fans) was a woman.

well, it seems that this is a lot more common than i originally suspected.
when alok made the mistake of referring to me as a 'she', i corrected him
publically. however, i received several e-mail messages also saying they had 
thought i was female.  needless to say, i usually try and determine the sex 
of someone as best as possible, but if i am not sure, i'll just ask.  granted,
it may seem silly, but i figure it's safe(r) to ask in private e-mail.

does anyone have any good ideas/algorithms to help with indian names?
and, on a similar thread, how do y'all feel about your children's names
if/when you have them?  do you give them indian, american, or both
names?

>Regards,
>Raghavan

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Oh No (ok, people, that's enough fanfare ;-))
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204311.25647@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
(Stuff Deleated)
>
>Purna, you have been replaced by 'debchat' as the latest victim of name 
>confusion, though it has been a few months since Alok called you, a 'she'.
>Recently someone on s.c.i. asked if Deb Chatterjee (Yes, *the* debchat
          ^^^^^^^
         This someone is definitely not a BENGALI!! BTW, is 'DEB' a
female name in any part of India? I sincerely doubt it.

>for fans) was a woman.
>
>Regards,
>Raghavan
-Saumyen
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: SCAA & Caucasian
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <bjag-280892142624@owl.ls.nwu.edu>, bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi
Jagadeesh) writes:
|>> >also considered caucasians, and I find their misuse of the word ambiguous
|>> >and in some cases insulting. 
|>
|>I don't find the useof the word "caucasian" to mean white at all insulting.
|>The whole concept of dividing all of the peoples of the world into just
|>three races was always a really foolish plan and the problem of classifying
|>Indians as caucasians is just one of the results of that foolish plan. 

Agreed, it was a foolish plan; however, people still commonly use the stupid
term on scaa. The races were taught at the public school I attended, and 
I associate myself with the term caucasian. When I hear people using it
as a synonym for white, it confuses me. Besides the fact that they're using
it at a time when they want to bash white people.:-)

|>> >Please post or email responses.
|>> >
|>> >Thanks,
|>> >Ron
|>
|>Out of a desire to be funny (and I hope you'll take it this way) what else
|>would we do, other than post or e-mail responses: handwrite mail that we
|>put postage stamps on and mail to you? hunt down your phone number and call
|>you up? find your address and arrive at your doorstep? Shout very loud in
|>the hopes that our voices will carry to wherever you are? Send smoke
|>signals? Send FAX's? Make videodocumentaries and broadcast them over the
|>airwaves?
|>
|>Have any of these things happened to you  8-)

Nope, but if you'd like to try one of the other methods you're more than
welcome, although making videos might going a wee bit overboard. Yeah, 
yeah I know it was a redundant thing to write.

Ron 

|>Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
                                   
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Oh No (ok, people, that's enough fanfare ;-))
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:46:30 GMT

In article <BtnE5B.4Ly@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.175903.9815@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>
>>What, with Purna, Trina and all of Alok's deputies doing double
>>time here in ACUA-I!

>I do believe I was never one of Alok's deputies; goodness forbid

Note: I separated Purna and Trina from Alok's deputies explicitly,
they remain quite unmentionable. :-)

>trina

Sorry for stretching this thread out - but there is no other :-(

And, as for SCIA it is quite empty too ...

Sthan.

PS. There was a query by somebody in Oz (Australia) I think,
wondering if Desi was derogatory. I know that it has gained
currency here - but did it start out that way for anyone?
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From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: ***** CLARION UNIVERSITY, CLARION, PA *****
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:12:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


Do you know e-mail address of anyone at Clarion University, Clarion, PA?



Please reply on  :

g9220348@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au


Bye
Adil
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Friendships
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:17:46 GMT

In article <BtIJuM.Aut@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
> Manish Vij writes:
> |>ObACUA-I:  My parents and I have a continual argument over the meaning of
> |>friendship and its relationship with family.  They believe family is
> |>far more important than friends, and I agree with them in the sense that
> |>familial relationships tend to be much more stable.  Yet they go so far
> |>as to discourage spending time with friends because they see it as an
> |>intrusion upon spending time with family, as if it were a zero-sum game.
> |>I wonder if this is part of Indian culture or just my parents' personal
> |>views.
> 
> and Ron Hira writes:
> >I think this is true of a good number of Indian parents. My folks acted the
> >same way for a long time with my two older brothers, but have since relented 
> >when they realized that it didn't make a whole lot of sense. Now I consider
> >my folks some of my best friends and vice versa. Give it some time.
> 
> 
> I agree with both Manish and Ron but I also tend to think that parents
> dont want us to spend time with other friends because of the influence
> they might impact on us rather than just wanting family time together.
> 
> Trina
> 

You are right that many parents are afraid of their children falling
under bad influence via their 'friends'.

Parents should not restrict but advise on what kind of
friends to look for, what sort of friendship to develop etc.

That is what all parenting is about ...

Children on the other end should consult and listen to their parent's point
of views and make appropriate choices as to who they want to be friends with.

As long as they are under 18 years of age, their parent's words/decisions
should be treated as final because parents are responsible until that age
for their children. When the children are 18 or have crossed over 18, their 
words/decisions are final as they are responsible for their lives at that 
point.

So basically after graduating from high school, it is the children's
responsibility to pick up appropriate friends but it is advisable that
they continue to consult their parents until marriage and if need be,
have them even arrange your marriage. I can see eyebrows raising ...

> ************************************************************************
> I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccck!!!!!!
> 
> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> ************************************************************************

Yes I noticed ! How was your Japan trip ?

Alok
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: desi names
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:16:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <2489@cronos.metaphor.com> sanzgiri@bombay.metaphor.com (Ajit Sanzgiri) writes:
>In article <shashi.715425139@aix3090b.uky.edu> shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:

Echoing Ajit's points though, I don't know how much of a
pain "Kanchana" is going to be, except for mixing up 
the two a's.

>	Ajit Sanzgiri
             ^^^^^^^^
No mountain (big or small) obviously to hide behind.
(Take this easy)

(Hiding only signature-wise)

Sthan.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:19:57 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.005723.5412@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>Why don't we recruit from SCI?  Wait ... on second thought ...
>have you seen what goes on there?  Never mind.  ;')

Couldn't agree anymore. What a breath of fresh air this acua !
At the risk of using a hackneyed rhetoric, what a *mature* bunch.
No, but seriously it gets a little weary to carry on petty debates
with wacko hoi polloi and their ilk.... and then there are the religious
fundamentalists, story tellers, vikings and bigots with a birds-eye-
view ; )
Ooops here I go again. Let's keep this newsgroup above all of that.
Let's have some plain old intellectual FUN and sorry to sound too elitist
- let's keep the sci riff raff away as long as we can. 
Did I start another one ? Down boy ! Never mind ;') 

Sid

"..And you can ring a crown of roses round your cranium"  IA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Oh No, Mr. Billlllllllll...........!!!!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.182029.11074@Princeton.EDU>, sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha) writes:
> >In article <BtIJuM.Aut@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
> >>
> >> [...stuff deleted...]
> >>
> >>************************************************************************
> >>I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccck!!!!!!
> >>
> >>trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> >>************************************************************************
> >>
> >
> >AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >what has this world come to!!??  mass pandemonium!  seas boiling!
> >dogs and cats living together!!!  what next???!!!!
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
>                                     SEPARATION!!!!!!

BIG BANG !!!
No, it seems more like a REUNION !!!! Trina trying to post on IA newsgroup
without a flame, trying to get into a discussion (and it is not about
knocking the group down - it is about friendships !) ...

Welcome back Trina and this time I will not ask you to not post on it.
Brother Raghavan is thy witness ...

> -Saumyen
> 

Alok
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Asian indian names
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug28.220307.22370@draco.macsch.com>,
dsb@godzilla.pi.macsch.com (Deepak Brar) writes:
|>From: dsb@godzilla.pi.macsch.com (Deepak Brar)

|>|> Anyways, my bro and sister in-law (whose white) had a kid recently and 
|>|> named him Sean Colin. Hardly desi hindu. :-)
|>
|>Well, Ron, why do you think the kid is being raised as a hindu? Actually,
|>you probably know, since this is your brother we are talking about. What
|>plans do your brother and sister-in-law have re. religious beliefs for
|>the kid? Was there conflict between his hindu beliefs and hers?

I should've been more specific. My bro and his wife (she's nominally Catholic)
are not very religious, in fact sometimes devoid of religion. :-)  Anyways,
I guess I should've said that they didn't choose a common desi name. There's
definitely no conflict between their religious beliefs, because neither of 
'em have any. They had a catholic ceremony, and had to sign something to
the RCC saying that they'll raise the children Catholic. I think the kid
will be raised without any real religion.

|>I am married to an American woman and we have just (actually, 3 months ago)
|>had a baby daughter. Neither of us is very religious (my religion is sikh;
|>she is a protestant) so we are holding off the question of our daughter's
|>religion and will let her make her own decisions.

Congrats! BTW, by American do you mean White American?
I agree with this approach completely, although while growing up in America
the Church or the Synagogue can be a big part of a kid's life. Plan on 
celebrating Xmas? We never celebrated it growing up. Did anyone else?

|>I empathize with what you say about being ridiculed as a kid growing up.
|>I am not an ABCD, but went to high school, etc. here in the US. Needless
|>to say, I had numerous self-image problems, etc. related to my not being
|>white around the suburban upper-class white students at my high school.

Yeah, and I think this relates to Kris Popat's question about IA and II 
relations. Many IAs won't associate themselves with IIs, because its not
accepted by white friends. I know that I've grappled with it, and regret 
some of the ridicule that I've laid on people just to be accepted. 


|>Deepak
|>------

Ron
                                                                    
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