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From: a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA (Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College)
Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:35:40 GMT

I have come upon a solution that works for what I am doing. I have set
the PC terminal connection to 7 bit, SPACE parity and 1 stop bit. My
Terminal server is still 8N1. I can now transfer my text files correctly.
I have never tried transferring binary files so these settings of mine
still may not work there. Thanks for your comments. BTW, I am running
thru a LHC so I may need the 8 bit version of tcp/ip. I will talk to my
local rep.
Jim

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Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: Donald Slutz (slutz@s35) <Slutz@s35.Prime.COM>
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 13:20:36 EST
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

It is very possible to make an 8 bit connection to a prime 50 Series
host.  However to transfer files using kermit does requires some special
things:
1) the terminal program MUST allow you to type the high bit characters
 or support the flipping of the high bit characters.

2) The async line is set to tty8bit for part 1 or tty8 for part 2.

3) The 8 bit version of tcp/ip must have been installed if tcp/ip is
   involved in the connection to the 50 Series

Using these steps I have transferred binary and text files to a 50 series
using 8 bit characters and kermit.  Note: text files need to be converted
to PRIME text files if you use this method.

     -Don Slutz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: DRR@MD-IND.Prime.COM (Dennis Royalty, Indy Sales Support)
Subject: Data Compression for 50Series tape backup
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:45:48 GMT

Hello all,  hope u had a good holiday season...

i have a customer who would like to do tape backups using fewer reels of
tape (don't we all?).  do any of you know of an existing utility that
would perform this function?? possibly via data compression (50Series).

thanks, and happy holidays

Dennis Royalty  CV Services/Indy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: YODERS@Prime.Wittenberg.EDU (Kevin Yoders)
Subject: Re: spooling via TCP/IP to 3COM cs/200 server
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:55:00 GMT

Steen,

    We have been doing this for about a year.  The only thing that
is different is that we use Xyplex terminal servers.  The
information you are looking for is vendor-specific.  The way Xyplex
handles it is to assign a logical port number to every physical port
on the box using the following algorithm:

log_port = 2000 + (phys_port * 100)

So physical port 12 is logical port 3200, etc.  As to configuring
the terminal server port, on Xyplex all you have to do is enable
flow control (if desired, and what type) and enable remote
connections.  This last item allows you to control which physical
ports can or cannot accept incoming connections.

    Unfortunately, I have no experience with your specific terminal
servers.  It should be documented somewhere in the ts's manual.  If
not, call your vendor and slap them around some.

PS.  We have had only a few minor problems with TCP/IP printers
since we started using it.  We are using TCP/IP 2.4.R22 and Primos
23.2.R60 right now and everything seems to be working nicely.

************************************************************************
Kevin Yoders                       Internet: Yoders@Prime.Wittenberg.EDU
Wittenberg University                BITNET: YODERS@WITTENBG

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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:24:15 EST
From: steen@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu
To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Subject: spooling via TCP/IP to 3COM cs/200 server
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

I have an ethernet controller (LHC300) and a network of 3COM terminal
servers of model cs/200. We use TCP/IP for everything. Does anyone
know how to spool directly from the Prime to a port on a cs/200
server?

I woulkd like to know what port number to use in the spooler ENV
file, and what settings program the port on the cs/200.

Thanks

Steen

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:09:18 GMT

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From: gml4410@ggr.co.uk (Lack Mr G M)
Subject: Re: X Windows on 50-Series
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:22:46 GMT

> I vaguely recall that at one stage (and for reasons I don't know) that
> SPL could not be used for ring0 code.

     There  was  a time when SPL didn't have an options(gate) option for
ring-weakening incoming pointers.  This was added at  some  point  (when
SPL became an EPF?). 

> Yes, good points. I don't recall DTARs well enough, but rings could be
> largely ignored, just as they are/were in Primos (now rings, there's
> an interesting side-track don't the annuls of history...)

     Just  out  of  interest  - was ring 1 ever used in *any* version of
Primos.  There seems to have always been hardware  support  for  it  and
some Primos code contains mention of it (in commented-out code). 

-------------------------- Gordon Lack ----------------------------------
The contents of this message *may* reflect my personal opinion.  They are
*not* intended to reflect those of my employer, or anyone else.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Subject: Re: Data Compression for 50Series tape backup
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:37:28 GMT

Dennis,

I believe that Randy Styka has utilities of this type. I know he has a ZIP
and unzip for the 50 Series. Give him acall, maybe he can help you oput.

Roland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: 70604.2163@CompuServe.COM (Lee Burns)
Subject: UNIX on 50 series before Primix
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:39:04 GMT

Regarding UNIX on 50-series:

A Prime customer developed some mods which allowed as close to a work-alinke
UNIX as could be done on 50-series hardware.  This was UNH who developed it
long before PRIMIX (or PRUNIX as it was affectionately called) was done.  The
decision to go with Primix was apparently "not invented here" for UNH UNIX.

Of course, once Prime wrote that off they never re-evaluated it as an option
even though we field people asked for it.  I had customers who beta tested
Primix and told me that their copy of UNH UNIX on 50 series was better.
I passed this along in writing up beta test experiences and it may still be
in a "black hole" somewhere near Natick.

Seeing how well Prime did to get application software ported to Primix
I don't think they would have done much better even if native mode Unix had
been done on 50 series.  There were some good marketing people then who took
note of details like that but someonw would've tried to cut corners
and sell it w/o software like Primix. 

Regards

Lee Burns
(804) 867-9380

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: cummings@hammer.prime.com (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:28:11 GMT

In article <9301041813.AA03580@usenet.rpi.edu>, STEEN@DDS.dent.ohio-state.edu (Steen Hansen) writes:
> I have been 'out of the loop' for two weeks, been on vacation and
> cancelled my subscription to the list (didn't want to get a disk full if
> Phil decided to share the source codes for Primos with the rest of us).
> 
> Can anybody fill me in please? Are more layoffs going on?

Miles didn't get "layed off".  He's leaving on his own accord.
(At least that's what I was told.)

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20 Briarwood Road                       500 Old Connecticut Path
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From: Slutz@s35.Prime.COM (Donald Slutz, slutz@s35)
Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:20:36 GMT

It is very possible to make an 8 bit connection to a prime 50 Series
host.  However to transfer files using kermit does requires some special
things:
1) the terminal program MUST allow you to type the high bit characters
 or support the flipping of the high bit characters.

2) The async line is set to tty8bit for part 1 or tty8 for part 2.

3) The 8 bit version of tcp/ip must have been installed if tcp/ip is
   involved in the connection to the 50 Series

Using these steps I have transferred binary and text files to a 50 series
using 8 bit characters and kermit.  Note: text files need to be converted
to PRIME text files if you use this method.

     -Don Slutz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: tabo@hitech.com (Tony Abo)
Subject: Data Compression for 50Series tape backup
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:41:06 GMT


   From: Dennis Royalty (Indy Sales Support)  <DRR@MD-IND.Prime.COM>
   Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 12:45:48 EST
   Sender: ListServer@Blx-A.Prime.COM (Prime Netherlands ListServer v1.14)
   Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

   Hello all,  hope u had a good holiday season...

   i have a customer who would like to do tape backups using fewer reels of
   tape (don't we all?).  do any of you know of an existing utility that
   would perform this function?? possibly via data compression (50Series).

   thanks, and happy holidays

   Dennis Royalty  CV Services/Indy

Be sure the customer is using one of the more recent versions of
MAGSAV (DRB MAGSAV used to ship seperately from PRIMOS, but is
standard in cmdnc0 now.  It should be MAGSAV.RUN not MAGSAV or
MAGSAV.SAVE).  We found that the new MAGSAV used without the
-REV19 (-REV20?) options use considerably less tape than the
older versions.

Also be sure that the customer is selectiong the highest density
available for the tape drive.

ie:

as mt0 -density 3200 /* for a streaming drive

as mt0 -denisty 6250 /* for higher capacity drives

------------------------------------------------------------

Tony Abo
Hitech Systems, Inc.
1964 Westwood Blvd. # 435
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Internet: tabo@hitech.com
Voice:    (310) 475 3210
Fax:      (310) 474 0655

This is my clever little saying at the end of my mail messages
because everyone else seems to have one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: YODERS@Prime.Wittenberg.EDU (Kevin Yoders)
Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:43:32 GMT

To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College    <a.0013%vcc3.vcc.bc.ca@Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
Encoding: 10 text (note by A.0013), 31 message (from Slutz)
Date: 08 Jan 93 13:35:40 PST
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

I have come upon a solution that works for what I am doing. I have set
the PC terminal connection to 7 bit, SPACE parity and 1 stop bit. My
Terminal server is still 8N1. I can now transfer my text files correctly.
I have never tried transferring binary files so these settings of mine
still may not work there. Thanks for your comments. BTW, I am running
thru a LHC so I may need the 8 bit version of tcp/ip. I will talk to my
local rep.
Jim

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Subject: Re: kermit 8 bit
To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: Donald Slutz (slutz@s35) <Slutz@s35.Prime.COM>
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 13:20:36 EST
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

It is very possible to make an 8 bit connection to a prime 50 Series
host.  However to transfer files using kermit does requires some special
things:
1) the terminal program MUST allow you to type the high bit characters
 or support the flipping of the high bit characters.

2) The async line is set to tty8bit for part 1 or tty8 for part 2.

3) The 8 bit version of tcp/ip must have been installed if tcp/ip is
   involved in the connection to the 50 Series

Using these steps I have transferred binary and text files to a 50 series
using 8 bit characters and kermit.  Note: text files need to be converted
to PRIME text files if you use this method.

     -Don Slutz


--- Reply by Kevin Yoders :

Jim,

    The 8-bit support comes with standard TCP/IP.  There are 2
different versions of the DLL file, the standard one (7-bit) and one
for 8-bit.  When you run the install CPL, you give it a "-8bit"
command arg (I think that's it) and it installs the 8-bit version of
the DLL file instead of the 7-bit one.  Look through the CPL.  It is
all documented in comments.

************************************************************************
Kevin Yoders                       Internet: Yoders@Prime.Wittenberg.EDU
Wittenberg University                BITNET: YODERS@WITTENBG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ANDYG@ENS.PRIME.COM (Andrew Griffith)
Subject: Re: Limits to the number of badspots a disk drive can have??
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:31:24 GMT

I would like to add to Robert Ullmann's response.

PRIMOS 23.3.0.R33 and later supports Online FIX_DISK.  In addition to
dealing with dynamic badspot processing, Online FIX_DISK can be used
to add badspots manually in most cases.  If, for example, the record
belongs to a directory, the record can not be remapped with the disk
offline.  A record belonging to a directory means that the record is
part of the directory itself and does not include records belonging
to sub-files.

Andy Griffith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: richb@tps.comf
Subject: UUENCODE/UUDECODE for Primos v23.x
Followup-To: richb@tps.com
Summary: Need UUENCODE/UUDECODE binaries for Primos
Keywords: uuencode uudecode primos
Reply-To: richb@tps.com
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:00:35 GMT

Hello,

I need to find binaries for UUENCODE and UUDECODE that will run
under Primos rev 23.x.  Hopefully, these are located at an
anonymous FTP site somewhere.  Someone at Prime gave me a tip
that he believed these utilities were available on an archive
machine at Cornell, but he wasn't sure where.

Can anyone point me to the right machine?  A TCP address and full
path to the files would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Rich
richb@tps.com
From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: X Windows on 50-Series
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:52:12 -0000
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
NNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com

In article <9301041122.AA08025@uk0x06.ggr.co.uk> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>     Just  out  of  interest  - was ring 1 ever used in *any* version of
>Primos.  There seems to have always been hardware  support  for  it  and
>some Primos code contains mention of it (in commented-out code). 

As far as I know, it never was.  The idea came up fairly often, but it
seemed that everyone and his brother had a different idea of what to
use it for.  (Usually their favorite subsystem, e.g. Oracle, SNA, etc
etc.)  I wanted to use it for secure-but-nonprivileged kernel
functions (i.e. those that didn't need to issue privileged -- ring0 --
instructions), as an extra error-check firewall.  Never got around to
it, and then left the company.

Implementation wouldn't have been all that difficult; you'd need a
segment to use as a ring1 stack, proper ring1 accesses on segments,
and some changes to the crawlout code.

  -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.
     wright@hicomb.hi.com
From: Slutz@s35.Prime.COM (Donald Slutz, slutz@s35)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: X Windows on 50-Series
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:56:44 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Ring 1 in PRIMOS had only been tested in the lab.  I have built
about 3 versions of 17.0 & 18.0 that had a ring 1 but as David Wright
says, what to use ring 1 for was the big question.
    -Don Slutz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: sid@vdhc.on.ca (Sid Van den Heede)
Subject: Do all Prime posters send from Prime Benelux??
Organization: Van den Heede Computing, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:16:47 GMT

In article <9301052041.AA04423@hitech.com> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>
>   From: Dennis Royalty (Indy Sales Support)  <DRR@MD-IND.Prime.COM>
>   Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 12:45:48 EST
>   Sender: ListServer@Blx-A.Prime.COM (Prime Netherlands ListServer v1.14)
>   Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
...
>Tony Abo
>Hitech Systems, Inc.
>1964 Westwood Blvd. # 435
>Los Angeles, CA 90025

It looks like the software that Prime people use to post news
articles was written by somebody in Benelux.  It's bad enough
that the Sender indicates that, but so does Reply-To.

Hopefully it was written to allow local administrators to set
these things right.  If not, perhaps the author could fix it
so that replies and followups will work properly.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: cummings@hammer.prime.com (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: X Windows on 50-Series
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:21:01 GMT

In article <9301041122.AA08025@uk0x06.ggr.co.uk>, gml4410@ggr.co.uk (Lack Mr G M) writes:
> > I vaguely recall that at one stage (and for reasons I don't know) that
> > SPL could not be used for ring0 code.
> 
>      There  was  a time when SPL didn't have an options(gate) option for
> ring-weakening incoming pointers.  This was added at  some  point  (when
> SPL became an EPF?). 

Along with a whole slew of other missing PLP functionality.

> > Yes, good points. I don't recall DTARs well enough, but rings could be
> > largely ignored, just as they are/were in Primos (now rings, there's
> > an interesting side-track don't the annuls of history...)
> 
>      Just  out  of  interest  - was ring 1 ever used in *any* version of
> Primos.  There seems to have always been hardware  support  for  it  and
> some Primos code contains mention of it (in commented-out code). 

Not to my knowledge, but Don SLutz and I did build an OS (18.something) that had
some RING-1 support in it, and actually ran a sharded library in it, gated in,
and returned to the RING-3 caller.  Nothing fancy (we did gate into
ring 0 from ring 1 successfully), but we ran the test on a P-750!

Then we modified to code to use RING-2 instead of RING-1 and ran it
again!  It performed flawlessly from RING-2 as well.  The problem on 
the P400 was a hardware gate limitiation that would have prevented code
from going from RING-2 to RING-1 and back again.  Ring weakening from RING 1
to RING 2 produced a RING 3 result (instead of RING 2 as expected).
They used an OR gate instead of a comparision gate when doing
ring weakening on the early machines.  OUCH!  Something about having no
more room on the board at the time....

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20 Briarwood Road                       500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass.                       Framingham, Mass.
					
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: iscreen@attmail.com
Subject: File compression
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:59:21 GMT

Roland,

I'd like to know more about what Randy Styka has to offer.  Do you have
contact info. for him?

Cheers,

Ian Screen
!iscreen@attmail.com


>Dennis,

>I believe that Randy Styka has utilities of this type. I know he has a ZIP
>and unzip for the 50 Series. Give him acall, maybe he can help you oput.

>Roland
From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: UNIX on 50 series before Primix
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:58:31 -0000
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
NNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com

In article <930104213904_70604.2163_EHJ31-3@CompuServe.COM> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>Regarding UNIX on 50-series:
>
>A Prime customer developed some mods which allowed as close to a work-alinke
>UNIX as could be done on 50-series hardware.  This was UNH who developed it
>long before PRIMIX (or PRUNIX as it was affectionately called) was done.  The
>decision to go with Primix was apparently "not invented here" for UNH UNIX.

I don't think it was quite that bad -- as I recall, there were some
questions about the quality, up-to-dateness, etc, of the UNH product.
I'm not saying they were justified -- at this point, I can't recall.

>Of course, once Prime wrote that off they never re-evaluated it as an option
>even though we field people asked for it.  I had customers who beta tested
>Primix and told me that their copy of UNH UNIX on 50 series was better.

WHICH Primix?  1.0?  2.0?  3.0?  It makes a big, big difference.

>Seeing how well Prime did to get application software ported to Primix
>I don't think they would have done much better even if native mode Unix had
>been done on 50 series.  There were some good marketing people then who took
>note of details like that but someonw would've tried to cut corners
>and sell it w/o software like Primix. 

Prime definitely had a head-in-the-sand attitude about Unix on 50
Series and nobody ever managed to move 'em on the subject.  I sure
didn't. 

  -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.
     wright@hicomb.hi.com
     Not an official spokesman for Hitachi

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