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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:23:02 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)


>In article <1992Jul24.233639.48700@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
>writes:
>|
>|A short while ago someone brought up the old "take <n> hits of LSD
>|and you're legally insane" story, but I don't recall any conclusions
>|being reached.  Well, that old chestnut came up again during a
>|conversation, and I thought I'd try again.
>|
>|Friends of ours from all over the country all have heard the same
>|story, though the number <n> changes from person to person.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>You already found the answer.  You had it with you all the time, but didn't
>know it.  This posting just helped you realize it.   :) :) :)


This is what I've heard a lot of people say, which to me is completely avoiding
the question.  I know as well as most people that there is no one reasonable
number of hits of acid any person must take before they're insane.  It's very
silly to even think there is such a number.  But, the government IS very silly.
Many people have heard that the spooks have come up with one number of hits
of acid which, if you take, you will be considered insane, LEGALLY.  It does
NOT mean you actually ARE insane, it just means that in a court of law, or by
the draft people, or whatever, you will be considered insane whether you are
or not.

I don't know the answer to the question of "is there such a number or not," nor
do I know what that number is, although I've heard a lot of guesses.

Does anyone know the answer to the question "is there a number of hits which
will make you considered LEGALLY insane?"  instead of the obvious, easy
question "is there a number of hits which will make you insane?" (the answer
to which, we all know, is "No!")
-me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:33:02 GMT

In article <lamontg.711971835@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>Oil of sassafrass is CARCINOGENIC!!!
>
>Its also in root beer, which just makes me wonder a smidgen as to how
>carcinogenic nutmeg is (considering that peanut butter and barbequed
>meat are also carcinogenic...)

There was a big hullaballoo about root beer on the Homebrew Digest recently,
and one thing I learned there is that safrole IS carcinogenic enough to
be replaced with artificial flavoring in big-time mass produced root beer.
Not enough to scare most homebrewers, though. (Or, that is, homebrewers
who read alt.drugs.) It really is a piddly smidgen of carcinogenicity.

Jake.
-- 
Reinheitsgebot <-- "Keep your laws off my beer!" <-- gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Subject: Re: Quibbles, hypocrisy, etc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:51:17 GMT


In article <36237@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, alehecka@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (MERLIN ) writes...
>In article <1992Jul28.164244.12882@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>All I was doing was making an unimportant, minor statement about the
>>current government, I.E. an administration that thinks drugs are evil 
>>and tries to ban them is not hypocritical. Stupid, shortsided, totalitarian
>>and many other things sure, but not hypocritical. Why is it so impossible to
>>have a normal conversation without everything turning into a holy war?
>>
> 
>I disagree.  The current government is vaging war against drugs,
>But it does not stop them from accepting donations and representing
>interests of alcohol and tobacco industries.  Many  of the officials
>are known to be boozers and smokers, unknown but surely sizable
>percentage uses Valium or other 'wanders' of modern medicine.
>George Bush is known to use Halcion. All this amounts to hypocrisy.
> 

The current National Drug Control Strategy is not based on the premise that
drug use poses a health threat to society or the individual. It is based on a
legalist approach that views the problem as a large number of people willfully
and repeatedly breaking laws when they use recreational drugs.

From that point of view, it is the casual user who is an otherwise productive
member of society that poses the greatest threat. Those who are addicted (by
whatever definition) or use drugs as a means of escape are less of a threat,
provided they claim that drug use has robbed them of their will.

From this point of view, the WoD is fairly consistant. As Bob Church said, it
"is stupid, shortsighted and totalitarian", but it is consistant. And there is
nothing hypocritical in accepting support from a manufacturer of legal drugs,
and it should be obvious why THEY are so keen to offer support.

A sane response to this view of 'the drug problem' would be to change the laws,
but for those that drafted the laws that would be admitting a mistake.

Potential flamers take note, I do not support the WoD, but it does sometimes
help to understand the way the enemy thinks.

gary
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From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:44:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <3BRmoB3w165w@hacktic.nl> bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire) writes:

>uncomfortable.  Certainly smoking it causes cancer, but since it contains
>no nicotine, the heart attack risk must be alot lower.  Also as anything

I thought heart attacks due to smoking could be largely attributed
to prolonged exposure to carbon monoxide.
-- 
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HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: ges@stiatl.salestech.com (Gerald Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Floaters (was Re: LSD - After effects)
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:22:40 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.

Sorry this post has nothing to do with drugs or LSD.

jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:

>In article <lamontg.711867836@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>Certainly floaters have little to do with LSD - they are blood vessels
>or other crud floating around in your cornea.  I see them whenever I
>decide to pay attention.  They can be irritating.  My girlfriend had a

This is not correct, "floaters" are in the vitrious humor, the liquid
that fills your eyes. They are not in the cornea, the corneea is the outermost
clear part of your eye. Every person has floaters, nearsighted people are more
likely to see them. They are most definitly not blood vessels. I believe
floaters are cells that are floating in the vitreous. I beleive they are
stirred up sometimes due to sudden movement, like sneezing. I think a sudden 
increase in floaters can be a symptom of more serious problems.

>retina that was dangerously close to becoming detached and while she was
>waiting for appointment for laser surgery they told her to call up the
>doctor if she saw a sudden increase in the number of floaters.  Then she
>became paranoid about floaters, naturally.  Then they zapped her
>retina 50 times with a laser and she's fine now.  Detached retinas are
>something to watch out for if you are nearsighted, because the shape of

I don't beleive nearsightedness has any correlation to detached retinas.
Nearsightedness is usually a weakness in the muscles that focus your eyes.
It has nothing to do with the retina.  Detached retinas are usually cause 
by injuries to the eye.

I am not a doctor, I just worked in an Ophthalmologists office. It has been
6 years though.




-- 
___________________________________________________________________
Jerry Sullivan, Sales Technologies, Inc.  Atlanta,GA 
ges@salestech.com,...uupsi!stiatl!ges I don't speak for my employer.
Just say no to Republicrats, vote Libertarian.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Zone City
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:37:51 GMT

We've all been there...here's how my roommate describes it.

	From gerry@gakhaus.attmail.com Wed Jul 29 18:44:11 1992
	To: gak@wrs.com
	Subject: Zone City
	
	yep, know what you mean...if i've got busy work to do
	alone, Zone City is the peaceful work city without a care,
	even quittin' time doesn't matter when in the correct suburb
	of 'the city'. I think it all depends on the concentration in the
	body, and the concentration one's mind has on the task(s) to
	be completed. When the variables are ideal and combined, the
	drive through 'Z-town', with the windows down, is without a frown!
	When these variables are out of sync and combined during the 
	work week(not a variable), the drive is one of missing exits,
	talking with strangers, and concluding the one day, week-long
	trip at the Hotel Jones, far from Z.C. in the horrid burg of
	Sobriety.
	
	End midnight thought...
	
	'Indiana'

---
gak
107/H/3&4

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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:11:25 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art,. Athens

In article <1992Jul29.045547.4493@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
>
> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) says:
>
>>Very well, I'm convinced these folks need a support group of their own, so
>>I'll start one.  Statists Anonymous.  Now howzabout a 12-step program?
>
>No, that's a last resort. 
>The first suggestion should be to try to cut down.
>Then, if that doesn't work...........

Yeh, we could keep charts, gather questionares and, oops, I'm starting to 
sweat.



-- 
*********************************************
*    bob church                             *
*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
*    D-8195 NFS #27                         *
From: moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Morphine
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:40:04 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I took a four mg. tablet of morphine before seeing my urologist for a 
testicular examination.   As he wae massaging my testicles in search og 
cancerous growths the full effect of the morphine kicked in and I began 
to feel nauseus and light-headed.  I conveyed this to my Doctor who 
promptly had me lie down and elevate my legs as to improve circulation to 
my brain.  He apparantly thought that the examination was so painful that 
it had caused me to almost pass out.  Little did he know that I was in no 
pain at all and simply fucked up on Morphine.  And who says a visit to 
the doctor is no fun?

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: ben@ut-emx.uucp (Benjamin J. Sloan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Daily use of mj
Summary: what are the effects? any experiences?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:55:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I have a friend who gets high every single morning before work, 
every lunch, and most evenings.  His job allows for this sort of
departure from his faculties.  He claims he couldn't deal with
work otherwise. 

My question, as one in favor of recreational drug use but somewhat
uncomfortable with more serious, addictive-type use, is: what is
this doing to him?  Is he dealing with life?  Is he with us?  Can
he accomplish the great things he hopes to and do all the hard work
he expects to do?  Is he just a dreamer?  Is mj addictive?  What
are your experiences?

Thanks

Ben Sloan
ben@emx.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Instant addiction (was Re: Partial Legalization)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:16:08 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>	Nah.  Heroin is just like Morphine or Dilaudid in its habituation 
>potential

Its just a little more.  The diacetylation of morphine (which is simply
heroin) allows the drug to cross the blood-brain barrier somewhat more
rapidly.  So, heroin hits a little faster than morphine, and gives a 
slightly better, faster rush.  Therefore its a bit more addicting
(psychologically).

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From: pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)
Subject: Re: THC
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:05:47 GMT

mhergert@esk (Mark Ivan Hergert) writes:
>
> Have you tried the tissue of the bong trick to see how much shit you
> actually breath in. Do it. If you want better lungs, smoke joints.

	Sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. A bong
filters out some of the carcinogens in pot, without removing much (if any)
of the THC. A joint puts everything in your lungs as is. Therefore...

> You won't get such a great hit, but it may be worth it.

	...is ridiculous. Smoking a jay would give you at least as strong a
hit, if not slightly stronger, than smoking from a bong. It would also give
you more crap, not to mention the smoke from the rolling paper--and it's hot
as all hell going down your throat.

(take a flying guess which way I preferred to smoke the stuff ;)

-Peter

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: armtrout@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Armantrout)
Subject: How bad are a few cigs/day?
Keywords: cigarette
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:29:53 GMT

  i've heard much about how unhealthy smoking cigarettes can be, but i think
that most of these statistics are about people who smoke at least a pack
a day. does anyone know 'how bad' it is for you to smoke a couple cigarettes
a day, or a few a week, or some small-but-not-chain-smoking amount? (as has
been my wont lately) thanks for the infoes, mark.

-- 
Mark Armantrout, Clever Person of Non-Color	grep | Ceci n'est pas une pipe
armtrout@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 	       I will explain my sarcasm to you - ask.
NeXTmail to armtrout@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu		CATHODE CATHOUSE lives
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Rehabilitation Question
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:26:40 GMT

I am wondering whether controlled, reduced usage is an accepted way to treat 
abuse of a drug? e.g. drinking more moderate amounts of alcohol rather than
abstaining completely.  I would think this would be a better way of dealing
with the problem because you would then perhaps be less likely to go on a binge
since you are not attempting to deny yourself, something which often seems to 
lead to binges whether its alcohol or ice cream. 
Is it really necessary for us to get the person to stop using a drug?  Surely
the main aim should be to help them reach a balanced state, something which theythemselves are happy with?  i.e. using drugs does not interfere with other 
things in their lives which they consider important (things like work, hobbies,
relationships etc.) - we each have things which we consider important.

Swan
brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:40:30 GMT


781101@redgum.bcae.oz.au (100), writes:
>I have been reading a bit about the use of nutmeg as a drug.
>However, it is clear that most reports/posts contradict one
>another in relation to the active substituents, effects,
>dosage, dangers etc. Does anyone know some real FACTS about
>the use of this substance. I myself have used it a couple of
>times; both times I used already-ground 'meg bought in a tin,
>and took 50g both times. As far as I'm concerned, the effects
>were just like a mild hash buzz. The only hallucinations I had
>were slight auditory, like people talking in the background.
 
First off: the REAL effects come from eating the UNground "nut"
form nutmegs.  There's a lot of natural oils you miss out on 
when you only use the pre-ground, dry nutmeg.
 
Second off, using any more than 2 nutmegs is supposed to be 
really toxic, but this is from a source about 10 years old.
 
Why not go look up "nutmeg" in a decent cookbook or spice 
manual?  Since not all recipes dilute their spices, and since 
not all recipes use the ground nutmeg (and you can substitute 
whole nutmegs for ground nutmeg), they're bound to tell you 
how much is toxic.  They won't mention anything about using it 
as a hallucinogen, but you'll be able to find out everything 
else about whole nutmegs!
 
-- 
______________________________________________________________
\ bx461@cleveland.freenet.edu (Leo J. Mauler)                 \
 \ Pro-Choice, Anti-Censorship \ My reality check just bounced.\
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From: nilesd@foxx.ucr.edu (niles rowland)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.usenet
Subject: Re: prescription drug
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:44:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul16145305@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.171307.3978@rock.concert.net>, parra@jazz.concert.net (Chris Parra) writes:
>
>> My doctor gave me Cyclobenzaprine HCL 10mg for my bad back.
>> Anybody know and could tell me what this drug is and does?
>
>It is a muscle relaxant, used for treating the pain and limited
>motion caused by spasms in muscles.  It's supposed to work by
>blocking the message of the muscle pain to the brain, which
>keeps the brain from spazzing the muscle.  It also tends to
>sedate, so be careful.  You probably shouldn't drive on this
>stuff, at least until you can establish the degree of sedative
>effect on you.  And you should be careful not to take more than 
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the prescription calls for, or take it more often than it calls 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>for.
 ^^^

"Cannabis, smoked or applied as a herbal pack or poultice, is also
the best muscle relaxant, back spasm medicine and antispasmodic
medication on our planet, short of morphine...100% of the studies
done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show
pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone 
dying from an overdose of marijauna (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.)."
	-quoted from "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"
	 copyright 1992 by Jack Herer
    	[available through:
    	 H.E.M.P. (Help End Marijuana Prohibition)
    	 5632 Van Nuys Blvd. Suite 210, Van Nuys, CA 91401]

>And remember, I am not a doctor and my advice to you is that of a
>pure amateur.  I don't know medicine, I only know what I can read
>in books.  For a medical or pharmaceutical opinion, you should
>consult with a physician and/or a pharmacist, not some net
>denizen like me.  Don't bet your life or health on the "wisdom"
>of the net.

Very wise advice, esp. in today's sue-ciety when discussing a substance
that is known to be toxic.  That's why I won't discuss any medications
except Cannabis.  Even then "if irritation occurs in affected area, consult
a physician."

niles  


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Natural vs syntesized.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:14:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke) writes:
: I wrote against chem drugs because of baaaad experiences with LSD.
: (Side effects, unnatural behaviour, a messed up brain 4 hours...)
: If there are chemicals WITHOUT that feeling of loosing the ground
: under your feet, than tell me, but with L. I'm finished...
: 

Sounds like a good idea.  LSD is not for everybody.  Most other chemicals
lack that except it's close relative the LSA's and psilcybin.  MDMA and
MDA and meth induce states of clarity and feeling one with the ground
for most folks.  Your mileage may vary.

I guess mescaline has some of that potential too.  Others anyone?

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Stomp out intolerance!
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:31:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul21.033817.28034@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy) writes:
>Other drugs like nitrous, ketamine, acid are
>popular at US raves, too, as you might expect...

Ketamine as a rave drug?  What, for zombie ravers?  I can think of
anything, short of phenobarb or Thorazine, that would be a worse
drug for raving.  Have you really seen ket. used at raves?  Has
anybody?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs not to everyone's liking (!)
Reply-To: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:45:30 GMT

In article <62827@cup.portal.com>, patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M
Crumhorn) writes:
> 
> (JULY 22) COMTEX - SOME AMERICANS THINK THE WAR ON DRUGS CAN GO TOO
FAR. RURAL
> RESIDENTS SAY MARIJUANA PATROLS ARE MAKING THEIR LIVES UNBEARABLE. THE
U-S DRUG
> ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND LOCAL POLICE ARE INCREASING THEIR USE OF LOW-FLYING
> HELICOPTERS TO FIND POT PLANTS.  BUT RURAL RESIDENTS SAY THE NOISE FROM THOSE
> EFFORTS IS SPOOKING LIVESTOCK AND CAUSING CHICKENS TO STOP LAYING EGGS.  AND
> CRITICS SAY OF THE 139-MILLION POT PLANTS CONFISCATED LAST YEAR, ALL BUT
> FIVE-MILLION WERE GROWING WILD. 
> 
Now just how can they tell the difference between cultivated and wild
marijuana!  Were the 5 million that were cultivated lead to arrests.  How
were the other 134-million planted?  Naturally or did some hippy run around
with a bag of seeds and spread the joy to the world????

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Natural vs syntesized.
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:42:19 GMT

remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke) writes:
>I wrote against chem drugs because of baaaad experiences with LSD.
>(Side effects, unnatural behaviour, a messed up brain 4 hours...)
>If there are chemicals WITHOUT that feeling of loosing the ground
>under your feet, than tell me, but with L. I'm finished...

MDMA immediately right off the top of my head.  I could name others...

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