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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:24:12 EST
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Subject: Re: super star destoyers and T. Zahn
 <1992Dec11.233038.6084@u.washington.edu>

In article <1992Dec11.233038.6084@u.washington.edu>,
redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) says:
>        There's a really cool Star Destroyer type ship in
>Star Wars: Dark Empire #6 (the Dark Horse comic).  It's huge,
>black, and oddly shaped.  Very menacing.  I hope I see it again.
>

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  I don't think we'll be seeing much of that ship
 ( not that we ever did ). It was apparently
 destroyed when Luke & Leia turned the Force
 storm back against the Emperor. However, the
 so-called "Force storm" WAS used in the beginning
 of the series to create a "hyperspace wormhole",
 so possibly the Emperor's ship was not destroyed,
 but transported somewhere......

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From: goodnuff@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Wayne Goodnuff)
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:55:33 GMT

My favorite sceen/thing/etc has gotta be in ESB:
Leia:	"I love you."
Han:	"I know."
and in ROTJ:
Han:	"I love you."
Leia:	"I know."

i just love that...

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:53:05 GMT

Do you all see now?

All these responses do is waste bandwidth (although I won't argue the First
Amendment, or courtesy, or whatever else), and create animosity, and kind of
prove the guy's point.  People have reacted in force to this guy;  doesn't 
that kind of mean that they are all nervous about the accusation that they
don't have lives?  I think it would be more productive to carry on and blow
off the dork posts.

Let me also say that *I* have no problem accepting the fact that I am an
incurable Star Wars junkie, and that there are people in the world (usually
non-Star Wars junkies) who will find that wasteful.  More power to them.  They
apparently don't get the same satisfaction out of the discussions and fan
fiction that I do.

I mean, here's what I see unfolding here --

Dork -- "You Star Wars readers are dweebs and you have no lives!" (paraphrased)

Reader 1 -- "Oh, yeah?... (pause while recovering)... You're a bigger dweeb!"

Reader 2 -- "Why don't you call yourself a dweeb because you're on the net too?"
            (what does that prove?  That we're all dweebs?  sigh...)

Reader 3 -- (insert quasi-intellectual dissertation on immature, unintelligent
	     behavior which really serves no purpose) in suitably big words

Reader 4 -- "Ha, ha... I just nixed his account..."

Reader 5 -- "Wait a minute!  That's not cool!"  (Something I agree with)

Reader 6 and onward -- argument about Lehigh's treatment of the dork ensues.

Does it really *matter* what some non-Star Wars fan is saying here?  He certainldoesn't get to read the network very often.  He sure as hell won't be reading it
in the near future.  And his remark has managed to generate about fifty posts!!
I feel that the responses here indicate a great amount of insecurity.

RELAX!

Let it go.  He had no point in the beginning (that's like saying that people wholike soccer are assholes, or that people who drink have messed-up lives).  He
was proven to have no point when the authorities at Lehigh decided his behavior
was not what they wanted to represent the computer account use at their school.
SO WHY IS EVERYBODY STILL DEFENDING THEMSELVES ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CRACK?!?!?

Do you honestly believe the guy was right about your not having lives?

That's what comes across...

But that's not my feeling.  I know I've wasted enough bandwidth on a tired-out
subject, so I'll close.  May the Force be with you all.

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From: wu@fwi.uva.nl (Koc-Fai Wu)
Subject: Re: Yoda quote
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:17:36 GMT

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>finton@barney.cs.wisc.edu (David J. Finton) writes:

>>My brother gave me a Yoda quote, and I'm wondering if he got it right:
>>              "No think. Only do."
>>I don't remember this one;  what I remember is "There is no try;  only do."

>>Can anyone verify whether Yoda says either of these, or something close?

>"Do.  Or do not.  There is no try."

Yes it is definitely : Do, or do not. There is no try..

"And remember the jedi strength flows from the Force" Yoda


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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: Future Movies
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.225113.17799@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.090236.16737@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>
>>Okay, I have one question and a wish for the future movies.  My question is
>>does anyone know of any reference besides the Ewoks and C3PO to there being
>>a god/gods in the Star Wars Trilogy?
>
>In ANH, C3PO thanks the "maker" for getting an oil bath (after being purchased
>by Luke and Owen)

Maybe he meant the maker of the oil bath itself.  ie the manufacturer.

The Evil One
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Favorite SW Moments
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:03:28 GMT

My favorite is Han trying to fix the Falcon in the asteriod
field!

That may be the greatest moment in any movie! :)

Him and Leia, him and Chewie, 3PO getting shut off...

"Would it help if I got out and pushed?" -- Leia


Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:23:32 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: SW Figures in Orbit (Was: Re: Melting SW toys)

My brother and I often wound up with a lot of extra Luke Jedi Knight figures
on our hands due to that ever-loseable lightsaber.  Therefore, a way to
dispose of these extras was sorely needed.  A backyard clothesline served as
the answer to this question.  A snap of the elastic and Luke could visit his
friends in that far-away galaxy.  Actually, he usually met his fate high in
the tree-tops or on the roof of the corner grocery store.
This style of figure execution became habit forming though.  Pretty soon we
went on to launch other figures in this way, doubles or not.  It was a sad
few weeks before Squid Head finally blew down from that tree.
Stormtroopers were popular for this also.  Once, one landed comfortably on a
neighbor's roof.  It wasn't until a few months later, when I was walking in
that neighbor's yard, that I spotted the now yellow-bodied stormtrooper resting
underneath the mouth of their drainage pipe.  I still have that time-worn
figure to this day.
                                               ---Eric
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From: cottoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chad P Cotton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: A long time ago...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:13:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: cottoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chad P Cotton)
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In article <1grevjINN58c@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert  
Fentiman) writes:
> Well, shouldn't it logically follow that and old C3PO may
> be the "mystery" narrator.

	It was brought to my knowledge some time ago that Lucas intended  
the story to be seen through the eyes of the droid or droids.  I guess  
this would make the movies based on facts and not feelings which would  
happen if one of the human characters had been the narrator.


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From: gestes@regan.next.nd.edu (gregory estes)
Subject: Re: IG-88
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:33:01 GMT

In article <1gmnjkINN3sq@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert  
Fentiman) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.220314.5740@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU  
("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
> 
> "	Some people have written on this net about how neat
>  IG-88 looked.  Actually, I thought he was kind of spindly, but
>  he *did* have a really neat machine-gun like laser rifle.
>  Nevertheless, I think the concept of the character really makes
>  no sense.  I mean, would a droid really make a good bounty
>  hunter?  He'd have no human intuition to go on, and he
>  certainly wouldn't have any way to make "contacts" like human
>  bounty hunters could.  I read somewhere that his owners "rent"
>  him out for bounty hunting, but I sure wouldn't pay.  I'd even
>  hire out those hideous insect-like ones before him.
>  
> 						-Quinn           "
> 
> Well, speaking from the RPG perspective, I'd classify it as an assasin
> (sp?) droid who no longer has a master.  These guys just kill for
> pleasure (which as the C3PO sceen in ANH and the lubrication fluid is
> a very plausible feeling for a droid).
> 
> 	Thanks
> 	Robert Fentiman
> 
> UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
> At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
>  
> 
	In addition to what Robert mentioned, I figured that droids in the  
Star Wars setting could actually develop human characteristics. C3PO and  
R2D2 had very human qualities. A lot of the droids were simply robots, but  
it would seem very possible for a droid with a high level of artificial  
intelligence to learn from experiences, and thereby develop a sense of  
intuition. Just my reflection as a transcendent Being-For-Itself.
				Greg "No Sig" Estes
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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: SW toys Memories
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.150049.15535@news.stolaf.edu> walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler) writes:
>
>     I never melted my toys, but I always had a nack for frezzing my guys
>in ice.  I guess that after I had seen the Empire Strikes Back, I decided
>everyone in my collection needed to be frozen in carbonite (water).  This
>was pretty cool.  I then had some people rescue the frozen guys and they'd
>melt and then they would go home.
>
>     Also, I had the Rancor Monster, a truly cool toy.  This guy could hold
>figures in his hands.  The Rancor Monstor could swollow jawas and my little
>sister's Yoda too.   It was quite interesting.
>
>                                -Greg Walter
>                                 walter@stolaf.edu 
>

The Rancor Monster is great!!  I found mine in my closet (in the
original mint box even!!) along with some playsets (Jawa Driod
Factory, Hoth scene, etc..) and so of course I had to pull out ALL the
figures and make a huge mess while I tried to remember whose gun went
with who.

Then I had an idea!!  I got out my new 8mm SONY handicam and went into
the stop motion animation business, complete with dialog and Star
Tracks music in the background.  My best scene was when I had the
Rancor Monster sneak up on a platoon on Rebel Commanders (I have about
20 of the soldier guys each, i.e. stormtroopers, snowtroopers, bespin
guards, sand people, etc...) and devour them one at a time.  Truly a
cinematic masterpiece.  Overall it was pretty funny, making fun of the
characters and their figure limitations, like how the X-Wing Pilots
head couldn't move from left to right, and Darth Vader was the leader
since he had the shiniest black helmet.  Has anyone else done this?
My film ended up around 10 minutes (that's a LOT of stop motion
photography) and took 2 days...But what the hell, I'm only gonna be 22
once. =-)


Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Kessel Run, the Princes, and funny marks
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:24:01 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <1992Dec14.032120.27764@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden) writes:

>1) 
>C3PO:  We're doomed, they'll be no escape for the princess this time...
>
>and then later
>
>LUKE:  (looking at Leia's hologram)  Who is she?  She's beautiful.
>C3PO:  I'm afraid I'm not quite sure.  I believe she was a passenger on
>       our last voyage, a person of some importance I believe.
>
>So, does 3PO know her or not?

Either 3PO knew that there was a princess but had never seen her, or he was
begin deceptive because he didn't trust Luke.

>2)
>C3PO:  (to R2D2)  No more adventures!
>
>Hmm, this aludes to the fact that these two droids hve had oodles of
>"adventures" before.

Lucas indicated that C3PO and R2 would be the only constant characters in
the three trilogies.

>3).
>
>C3PO:  ... we'll be sent to the spice mines of Kessel and smashed into who
>       know what?
>
>and then later
>
>HAN:  Fast ship?  You mean you've never heard of hte Mellanium (sp) Falcon?
>BEN:  Should I have?
>HAN:  It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.
>
>what does the term "kessel" refer to?
>
>(also, right after Han says this, watch closely Ben's expression.  It says
>"Han, a parsec is a unit of distance, not time.  Stop blowing smoke up our
>asses.")

Read the FAQ. Available by anonymous ftp to wpi.wpi.edu.

>4)
>
>Finally, in many of the scenes in BOTH movies where you had a ship against
>the starfield, I notices a slighly lighter haze around the ship.  I assume
>this is a problem with the way the project the models on the green-screen,
>but once I noticed it, it became rather annoyting *scratches head*.

Read the FAQ.

>
>---------------------------------------
>
>Oh well, time to go watch RotJ now.......
>
>-- 
>]> I love my country                   + Robert Hayden                     <]
>]> But I fear my government.           +                                   <]
>]> Blind faith in your leaders, or in  +    rahayden@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu  <]
>]> anything, will get you killed.      +    aq650@slc4.INS.CWRU.Edu        <]


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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Star Wars is NOT literature
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:51:05 GMT

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

>I have no objection to people enjoying Star Wars.  That's fine.  I grew up
>with the movies, too, but I know where to draw the line.

>The problem arises when people overanalyze the movies.  They are NOT
>literature.  IMO, they aren't even well written.  When interpolating what
>Lucas 'might have meant' or 'implied', that's where the pitfall arises.

>Hollywood doesn't intend to produce well-written or meaningful entertainment.
>Star Wars was not produced to induce thought or empathy.  Star Wars was simply
>eye candy.  A lot of neat space ships, cool costumes, and a couple good actors.
>Over analyzing something that was intended for good-natured entertainment is
>like getting blood from a stone.

>This is not a flame or even a criticism.  The movies were good, but I think
>they have to be put into perspective.

Regardless of your intentions, going onto rec.arts.sf.starwars and calling
the films "simply eye candy" would probably qualify as a criticism for
most of us.

The mere fact that this newsgroup exists should maybe give you a hint that
the Star Wars movies do indeed contain a good deal worth talking about
and are not merely empty entertainment.

What is meaningful literature and what isn't is entirely subjective; our
perspective, however, is that the Star Wars films not only look good, but
are also thought-provoking, moving, philosophical, complex, and dramatic
as well.  If that's not meaningful literature, it's darned close.


                                   --Steve Stelter
                                     sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Questions
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:52:54 GMT
 <1992Dec15.200418.28957@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Dec15.200418.28957@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
thpr_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thomas Parker) says:
>
>Those "Spears" that the guards carry are not ceremonial.  That is their
>weapon.  It is called a "force pike."  Nasty weapon should you get hit
>by it.

  ...Too bad Dark Empire didn't do more with these guards.
 It seemed like they really had the opportunity, but wasted it.
 However, Dark Empire made these guys look slightly alien....
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Upcoming comics...
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:12:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I read (I think it was in Comics Values Monthly, but I'm not sure) that
there will be a Dark Horse comic set in the Star Wars universe, that
takes place about 300 years before the movies.  (No idea when it will
be out, as the article made it sound as if it wasn't written yet).

Now the bad news:  the story will be written by Louise Simonson.
Those of you who don't collect comics won't recognize the name, but
suffice it to say, she is not a particularly good writer (at least,
of comic books).  *Sigh*  Is it worth THAT to get new Star Wars
stories?

That's essentially all the information I have on this.  Please don't
ask me anything about what's supposed to happen in it, as I really
don't know.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: hellmerj@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Jeffrey N Hellmers)
Subject: Names in Star Wars: Lucas's Creation?
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:37:49 GMT

While reading through several posts, I realized how creative the names are
in Star Wars:

Luke Skywalker
Han Solo
Obi Wan "Ben" Kenobi
Darth Vader
Grand Moff Tarkin
Boba Fett (perhaps my fav.)
The Millenium Falcon

The list could go on forever.  Did Lucas come up with most of these names?  Do 
you think this adds to the success and popularity of these movies?  Even C3PO
and R2D2 have a nice ring to them.

Oh, one more...

    Mos Eisley Spaceport  (this is probably spelled wrong)


-- 
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       Northfield, Minnesota          behind." Stephen Sondheim, INTO THE WOODS

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From: trogers@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Antilles...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:59:10 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: trogers@yktvmv.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <Bz3x1u.73u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan) writes:
>I would like to know if anyone out there knows if there is some kind of relation between Wedge Antilles and the Captain Antilles that C3PO refers to as being their former master.  I see this as a possible connectiont to be explored in the upcoming preque
ls.
>
>Jake
>

And I would like to know why you don't use an editor that wraps lines at
80 characters.  :-)

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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