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From: dabachma@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Donald A Bachman)
Subject: Re: Worn Displays.. HP missed a problem
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:58:57 GMT

c_s02098@stat.appstate.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr4.103041.19951@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, frechett@spot.Colorado.EDU (-=Runaway Daemon=-) writes:
>> In fact.. NO.. This is not a joke.  I've noticed that several of my friend's
>> hp48sxs are starting to show this worn spot across the middle of their
>> displays.  You can take it how you want but I'm looking for another case.
>> 
>> 	ian

>Ian,
>  One thing that I think is true from previous posts in this thread (at least
>your posts) is that all of your friends have the zipper case, and not the
>fold-over Velcro case. Is that the case?  For all of you who are saying "I've
>had my 48 for a year and a half and I don't see this line," do you have the
>Velcro case or the zipper case? If all of the calculators with worn displays do
>have the zipper case, then pointing out that your Velcro case isn't causing the
>wear is like comparing apples and oranges. (however, if the zipper case is not
>the case in point, just ignore this :}  )

	Forgive, 7 months, zipper, no line.


>William Safley
>c_s02098@conrad.appstate.edu
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From: fv@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Fredrik Viklund)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP48 - questions and comments
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:15:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: kth.1992Apr11.171558.8516
Reply-To: fv@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <1992Apr10.132448.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, sterba@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>Alright.  I admit it.  I am a beginner.
>
>I just got my new HP48SX last week and although I spent over 40 hours trying to
>learn as much as I can about it during that time 
[---]
>
>Are there Hardcover cases for the 48SX?  I really think Hewlett Packard screwed
>up on the case they include with the machine...  This is just about the most
>expensive 'calculator' (here I dare calling it that again) around and they
>don't include a decent protection for it.  Wouldn't it be great (and cheap) to
>have a cover similar to those available with great majority of Texas
>Instrument calculators?  They slide on a groove and when you use the
>calculator, they form the base.  When you want to carry it around in your bag,
>the sliding case covers the display and the keybord.  Even their $10 product
>has it, why couldn't HP's $300+ one, too? Zheeeez....
>
>Also, don't you guys think this HP48 is totally the most GADGET-COMPATIBLE toy
>you can get?  I had to laugh when I found out what stuff it does...  Infra-red
>file transfers (ie. across the classroom during exams), cordless printer, all
>these weird cards, large RAMs, Gameboy-stile videogames, and - for god's sake -
>it can even be used as a remote control for your VCR!!!  Next thing you know
>calculators will even add and subtract!
>

You poor man!

If you got you HP last week, I suppose you have missed the fabulous, 
stunning and absolutely interesting discussion on Zipper-, Velcro and 
HP41-cases...   ;-)

As it comes to filetransfers during exams, it won't work. My active 
range is about 6 cm (2 inches). Too bad. I wasted 1700 SEK ($300) on my 
HP to find out!  :-(

Besides, it's not allowed! :-)


	/Fredrik
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: Re: HP48 - questions and comments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:09:29 GMT

sterba@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

>Alright.  I admit it.  I am a beginner.

>Also, these expansion RAM cards...  What sizes (and according prices) are
>available?  Does large memory speed up or slow down general operations and
>program executions?

>Are there Hardcover cases for the 48SX?  I really think Hewlett Packard screwed
>up on the case they include with the machine...  This is just about the most
>expensive 'calculator' (here I dare calling it that again) around and they
>don't include a decent protection for it.  Wouldn't it be great (and cheap) to
>have a cover similar to those available with great majority of Texas
>Instrument calculators?  They slide on a groove and when you use the
>calculator, they form the base.  When you want to carry it around in your bag,
>the sliding case covers the display and the keybord.  Even their $10 product
>has it, why couldn't HP's $300+ one, too? Zheeeez....

I don't know about this....Those TI calculators, IMHO, look cheap!  Also, HP
did add 'decent protection' to the HP....a nearly indestructible case!  I've
dropped my caculator, carried it on the bottom of a book filled backpack, and
had some doofus SIT ON IT....and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it!

>  Infra-red
>file transfers (ie. across the classroom during exams), cordless printer, all

Sure, if the classroom is three feet wide......

>Thanks for your help with the earlier-listed problems...

>Peter Sterba


Mike Gebis  mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc  OR  m-gebis@uiuc.edu
"AIM MY SMILING SKULL AT YOU"
From: conte@polaris.crhc.uiuc.edu (Tom Conte)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: What sort of compression is .Z?????
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:39:10 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <15APR199211192048@summa.tamu.edu>, brk4690@summa.tamu.edu (READ KING (409) 696-1591) writes:
> 
> I am familiar with a lot of compression types, but what in the world is .Z ??
> 

Adaptive Lempel-Ziv coding

See:

     A Technique for High Performance Data Compression, Terry  A.
     Welch, IEEE Computer, vol. 17, no. 6 (June 1984), pp. 8-19.

--
Tom Conte	   Center for Reli@b|e and High-Performance Computing
 t-conte@uiuc.edu  University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, Illinois
From: steffl@ast.stgt.sub.org (Stephan Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: idea to "improve" the 48
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ast.58
Organization: Private Subversive Site, Moeglingen, Germany

In article <1992Apr3.221347.2285@news2.cis.umn.edu> fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig A. Finseth) writes:

>[...]
>In past HP calculators which did not have STD mode, I would have seen
>an answer like (FIX 4):
>
>	2.0000
>
>What I want is the same rounding of answers yet with the benefits of
>STD mode (e.g., no trailing zeros, automatic scaling, etc.)
>Essentially, I want an "n STD" mode with the default being "12 STD"
>(identical to the current STD).

This is already built in. Just try "n RND" (MTH PARTS NXT NXT NXT)
and tell us if that is what you wanted :-)

Regards,
steffl
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: autoexec programs
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:37:54 GMT

How about assigning the OFF key to execute a program like 

\<< OFF Autoexec \>>

Where Autoexec is the program you want evaluated on powerup? 

Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: lemieux@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (LEMIEUX  GUY GERARD)
Subject: Re: Wish list, serial ports, and a wacky idea.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.060249.28864@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rkbg2554@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert K. Brunner) writes:
>mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
>
>>I have two points to make, one serious, one kinda wacky.
>>[something about a mouse connected to the serial port]
>
>About point 2:
>Even though you didn't want a response, I thought I would throw this
>in.  Mouse interfaces demand an interrupt-driven serial port running
>at 9600 bps for good response.  I think this wouldslow down the
>calculator considerably.  It would also be difficult to use the
>calculator as a handheld. (Maybe a trackball would work though :-)).

I already thought it would be a neat idea if HP put a mouse ball on
the bottom of the calculator.  That way, the calc. acts as the mouse
itself.

Hey, they might as well contour the HP to make it fit in your hand
better.. like some mice.
--
Guy Lemieux
lemieux@ecf.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: steffl@ast.stgt.sub.org (Stephan Block)
Subject: Re: Q: `Markers' in menus
Organization: Private Subversive Site, Moeglingen, Germany
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:54:24 GMT

In article <BSON.92Apr10123631@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu> bson@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes:

>[...]
> > Is there a possibility to do it exactly the same way in a User RPL
> > program (without having to draw it pixel by pixel `by hand'), perhaps
> > a nice little SYSEVAL or something like that?
>
>   Yes, there is quite a nice little SYSEVAL to do this! The following
>program will (I hope :-)) do what you expect (make sure level two is a
>string and nothing else):

Yes, that is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a lot. Thanks
as well to those who answered by mail.

Hmm, as I think about it, there comes another question to my mind:
is there a similar thing for making a menu label with this little bar
on the top, to make it look like an entry for a `subdirectory' or `submenu'?

>						-- Jan Brittenson
>						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu

steffl
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From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: 48sx serial port probs
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.025610.29386@news2.cis.umn.edu>, drais@donald.cs.umn.edu (D. Drais) writes:
> 
> Has anyone tried the serial-port loop back test? (pg671)
> I believe my serial port is dead :( I finally bought the
> serial cable and nothing seemed to work. I proceeded to 
> try the test and got U_LB 20000. Assuming my port is dead has 
> anyone else had problems with bad serial ports? If it's any help 
> my 48 is a revision D. Any response will be appreciates, or I will
> have to try my luck with the extended warranty company :(
> 
> Doug Drais
>  
> drais%donald.cs.umn.edu

Have you shorted pins 2 and 3 (the middle ones) with a key or the like?
Shorting 1 & 2 or 3 & 4 are detected and DON'T damage the calc. If
shorting 2 & 3 still doesn't give an OK mess., try your dealer :-(.

CU
Christ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: r3bmp@VAX1.uakron.edu (Brian M Plumb)
Subject: Program idea
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:43:36 GMT

Hp programmers:

     I have to copy my CD's onto tape to listen to them in my car. The
hardest part of doing this process is figuring out the best possible
combination of songs to get on a side. My idea is to put the track number and
song time into a 2 x 2 matrix. Then on the next stack line place the *total*
tape time and have the hp give back two matrices with the tracks that would
best fit on each side. The time remaining on a side might be helpful too. 
     If anyone feels like writing this possibly simple program I would be
forever grateful (well at maybe grateful). I don't think this program should
be too hard... in fact, if I ever get some free time I might actually try to
write it. Good Luck!

**************************************************************************
|                          Brian Plumb                                   |
|       EE major, College of Engineering, The University of Akron        |
|                     r3bmp@vax1.cc.uakron.edu                           |
| "A condom wouldn't ruin the moment like a baby would." -me             |
**************************************************************************
From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP RPL Users group
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:00:27 GMT

Did you know that:

- There is an HP28/HP48 exclusive users group in the Netherlands?
- That is publishes the STORC Newsletter AT LEAST 10 times per year?
- That it's cheap (approx. $25 per year)?
- That it consists of *16* pages A4 paper, with a two-page English
  summary?
- That STORC also has 5 floppy disks, filled with HP48 stuff (public
  domain and shareware) i.e. ML progs, **LOTS** of games and tricks?
- That you can write in the Newsletter yourself (write an article and
  send or mail it in)?

We have about 150 members. Join in, become a member of the BIGGEST
users group in the Netherlands

Christ

<<< Help!!!! I need a .sig. Any ideas? >>>
From: akcs.roland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Roland O Davis)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:40:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Security devices for exams (was something else...)
Message-ID: <29ebbc1a.698.17comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48


At te University of Alberta many profs realize that the cannot compete
with the population that own HPs.  Many of the profs allow the students
to bring in 1 page full of whatever they want, they simply make the exam
a little harder and still get the quota.  Anyways there are many, many,
MANY ways to cheat on the 48.  For example:  If the prof wishes to clear
your memory run a memory clearing simulator (FALSECLR) or perhaps encode
the notes, put them in the hidden directory and then write a simple
little program to extract them once you are in the exam.  Also, turn your
display image down so that no one can see your screen except for the
person directly sitting infront of it.  There is NO WAY that you can ever
stop cheating on the 48.  I think that it should just be accepted but a
system to aid the no-owner of the 48 should be established.  The way I
see it is that you have to be extremely intelligent to make the HP work
the way you want it to so why not use it to your advantage?  We have
spent $300 dollars on a good mark -- it is an investment.

:) rod
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fluet@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Blaine Fluet)
Subject: Re: Getting data off of my HP28S
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:02:47 GMT

brk4690@summa.tamu.edu (READ KING (409) 696-1591) writes:
>I just got an HP48SX and was wondering if anyone out there new of a way to get 
>data off of my HP28S through the IR printer port.  Someone was telling me that 
>there was a way of having the 48 translate the signals and saving them to a 
>variable. (In otherwords, a one-way data transfer program from the HP28S to the 
The program you are looking for is called INPRT.  It is available on the 
HP BBS and numerous other ftp sites and is included in the PC link software 
package from HP.  It allows you to line up your 28 with your 48 and print
data from the 28 into a string on the 48's stack.  

----------------------
Kevin Fluet
fluet@ee.ualberta.ca
----------------------

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: New 48 Stuff at EduCALC
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 14:37:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Speaking of EDUCALC, I would like to get their catalog. Does anyone have their
number? Perhaps they have an 800 number?

Thanx


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: #D graph
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:10:32 GMT

In article <9961.929221576@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant) writes:
> Does any one have the prog for 3D graphs, can they please send it to 
> me! Also the prog for making you HP into a TV remote, thanks in advance.
> 
> Steve

There is a self-learning remote control program for the HP48SX. Just put
a remote in front of it and sample away!!! Note... Will not work with
Philips (Aristona, Marantz is just the same...) machines. Also available
(for HP28 only!) for PHILIPS only. Contact me if you want them.

Christ van Willegen
C.P.vanWillegen@research.ptt.nl
From: brk4690@zeus.tamu.edu (READ KING (409) 696-1591)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Enough replies about the .Z!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:04:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

OK, Ok, ok...   Igot the answer about the .Z compression...Thanks for all of the 
replies.

Read King

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: hidden directory ???
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:54:08

What I was looking for earlier but didn't put into my original
article was this:

#15781h SYSEVAL

will put you into the hidden directory.  The object at #15781 is
just a null global name.  You can create a null global name with

"84E2000" ASCI-> (for users of the HACKIT library)

or 

"84E2000E147" ASC->

Don't go mucking about with the variables that are normally in
the hidden directory.  You may cause a crash.  You can store your
own items there, however.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: frechett@spot.Colorado.EDU (-=Runaway Daemon=-)
Subject: Re: Irrelevant stuff!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:41:52 GMT

I have a question.  For those people that are getting these irrelevant posts,
how many have you seen?  Give a rough estimate.. 2..5..15..50.. cause I 
read c.s.hp48 at least twice a day and I can testify that I have not received
even one post unrelated to the hp48.  s someone just mentioned, this might 
be a local thing.  You might want to check the Distribution: header of one
of these messages.  If it is in fact local to some region then might I 
suggest that you use the same Distribution for discussion the problem.  It's 
a little disconcerting listening to a discussion to which I can't relate.
Thanks.

	ian

-=Runaway Daemon=-
From: jst50986@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack S. Tan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP48SX For Less !!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:46:47 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

2hsnclay@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>I seem to have found a company which sells to HP48SX
>for a more reasonable price. 

>ELEK-TECH

>Price is $249
>I payed $8 shiping 2nd day UPS (BLUE)

>Good luck finding a better price!
>EduCalc wants more !


>Bill Rubin
>N1HWC

>EE Student University of Kansas


At the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, our bookstore (the
Illini Union Bookstore) offers the HP48SX for $234 several times each
semester. Not bad at all. (I got mine for my birthday :-)

Jack Tan
From: shen@cae.wisc.edu (Shen Tan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Newcomer asks 'What's the difference between using RPL tools to PDL?'
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:38:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.183826.16628
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison


  Excuse me if this is a 'stupid' question. 

  What exactly is the use of the RPL stuff ? Does using it to write
  applications speed it up or make the code smaller ?

  I've ftped the pdldemo from uncwil and I think it's pretty neat. 
  I guess using PDL is exactly like programming on the 48 itself except
  you get a bigger screen, qwerty keyboard and online help.

  If writing stuff in rpl is really going to make things super fast or smaller
  I might have to learn it. The manual is slightly thick don't ya think ?
  I'll probably have to use enscript to print it 2 pages on 1 sheet.

  I've sent in for EduCalc's catalog but it hasn't arrived yet. Exactly
  how much does the 512k (4x128 switched) card cost ? Will it (heaven forbid)
  cost more than the calculator itself ?

  Also looking for people out there using the 48 in the e-m fields.
  Especially antennas (wire,aperture,array,moment methods,etc).

  Uhh, please don't *flame me*. I burn easily.

  Shen
  shen@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Subject: Re: Wish list, serial ports, and a wacky idea.
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:15:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48

As quoted from <1992Apr6.024746.6860@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> by mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis):
+---------------
| I have two points to make, one serious, one kinda wacky.
| 	1)  How come the HP48 doesn't have a FULL serial port....you know, with
| nine pins?  (I can think of several reasons, but don't think any outweigh the
| benefits a REAL serial port would give.)
+---------------

A "FULL" serial port has 25 pins.  9 pins is an IBM-ism.  Regardless, there's
not enough room for the port.

+---------------
| make the whole calculator the mouse! Have a little ball on the bottom, and to
| move the pointer on the screen, you'd move the whole calculator.
+---------------

Wacky indeed.  Not to mention difficult to use.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        allbery@NCoast.ORG
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
From: fv@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Fredrik Viklund)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Proposal: comp.sys.hp48.disp
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:52:32 GMT
Reply-To: fv@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

Maybe someone could create the group comp.sys.hp48.disp for those who 
wants to know all about the display problems... :-)

(I have not had three test in two days, but I am about to have two in 
one...)

Add to .sig below:
"HP48sx, nr 3047A00879, made in USA, 1.5 yrs, no line, no stored notes" 

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From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Irrelevant stuff!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr7.031400.16978
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

FEE@waikato.ac.NZ (NAME DR. CONAN J. FEE, UNIVERSITY OF WAIKATO) writes:
>posts irrelevant stuff (like Denon amplifiers for sale, etc...) with
(mentions zapping people who post stupid stuff)
Just an observation...I don't think I have been GETTING these posts.  I don't
recall ever seeing anything about a Denon amp, and from the way people are
talking, these posts are getting out of hand....so,
	Is someone friendly person killing the posts and saving me
	from the trash?  OR
	Are these losers limiting their posts to several computers and
	net-bombing
	every group with the same message?  (Remember the straight-A's post?)
The reason I'm asking is because the people who are doing this posting might be
seriously abusing the net, and you might be able to get them in trouble.
	Anyway, I'm glad _I_ don't get those posts.
Mike Gebis   mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  OR  m-gebis@uiuc.edu