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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: [SPOILERS]
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:04:16 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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In article <1992Nov9.020022.16443@spectrum.xerox.com> mjackson@xerox.com writes:
>[Just in case there's someone who doesn't know about the Senna-Mansell
>incident by now.]
>
>In article 1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu,
>cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
>> 
>> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
>> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash. 
>> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.
>
>The FOSA hotline says Senna's story is that Mansell slowed unexpectedly
>with a clear track ahead; Senna was already on the limit of braking and
>could not avoid running into him.  Nigel complained to the stewards,
>who judged it a "racing incident" and took no action.
>
>*I* didn't see Mansell slow, but at half-past midnight I could well
>have missed it.
>
It looked to me like Senna closed on Mansell EXTREMELY rapidly just before
the impact - it looked to me like Mansell slowed rather than Senna trying
to outbrake him (even Senna-haters must agree that he is not so stupid to
outbrake without being alongside).

In fact, it almost looked like Mansell "brake-tested" Senna, although I'm
sure that isn't what happened.

On another note,  how long did Riccardo's car sit there after it stopped?
I was surprised they left it there just off the racing line for so long. I
also thought they passed a rule that cars with electronic gearboxes had to
have an override to put it into neutral for situations like that.

Jeff

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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: IMSA vs. IndyCar
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:19:11 GMT

In article <72166894229787@c00027-207dan.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
|I don't have trap times, but here is the complete info:
|
|           Portland
|         ------------
|IMSA       1:00.354    Juan Fangio II, Toyota Eagle MKIII
|IndyCar    1:00.658    Emerson Fittipaldi, Penske 92-Chevrolet/B
|
|         Laguna Seca
|         ------------
|IndyCar    1:11.185    Michael Andretti, Lola T92/00XB-Ford/Cosworth XB
|IMSA       1:11.294    P. J. Jones, Toyota Eagle MKIII
|
|         Road America
|         ------------
|IMSA       1:47.913    Juan Fangio II, Toyota Eagle MKIII
|IndyCar    1:48.2105   Paul Tracy, Penske 92-Chevrolet/B
|
|           Mid-Ohio
|         ------------
|IndyCar    1:08.766    Michael Andretti, Lola T92/00XB-Ford/Cosworth XB
|IMSA       1:09.856    Davy Jones, Jaguar XJR14

I think it would be a hell of a match race if you could get all six of
these cars and drivers on the same track at the same time.  Now if you
could only find someone to sponsor it...

|All on Goodyear tires.

That's it!  Get Goodyear to sponsor it, and call it "The Goodyear
Challenge"!!! 

Only 1/2 :-).  I really would like to see this happen...

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
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From: frank@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au (Frank Savaglio)
Subject: Ferrari in '93 News
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, JCUNQ
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:22:23 GMT

In an interview with Channel Nine at the Australian GP, Niki Lauda outlined 
some changes that are happening to make those horses prance again.
Niki is being employed by Ferrari as a consultant. He said that 40% of his 
working time is spent on the Ferrari job and the rest on his airline. His 
role was basically to see what's going on, make recommendations to the 
powers that be and they then act on his information (or maybe they don't).

The Ferrari design team is moving to England and will be headed up by John 
Barnard, yes the man that brought you the dominating Maclarens of the 80s. 
The move to England was to keep up with the new technological changes 
happening all the time. Italy was too far too keep abreast of the 
technological changes. So the car would be designed in England by Barnard 
and built at Maranello with Harvey Postlethwaite heading up the Italian 
operations.

Lauda said that the team basically wrote this year off and have been making 
changes and experimenting for most of the season. The effects of this will 
be seen in the new season he said. He expected the Ferrari to be very 
competetive by the middle of next season. The car driven by Larini at 
Adelaide was carrying active suspension. It a lot heavier than Alesi's car 
but the team wanted experience with active suspension for its development. 

So expect to see the Ferraris back next season. They may not be able to keep 
up with the FW15s but with Berger and Alesi behind the wheel, John Barnard 
and Harvey Postlethwaite at the head and Niki's input things are looking 
better than they have for a while.

So heads up Ferrari Fans.

Cheers Frank
  
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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:23:28 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
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Quoth parfrk@rpi.edu (in <dpq1zzh@rpi.edu>):
#Ressurect WSC and ban all microprocessors from the cars.  The manufacturers
#will laugh at first and run to F1, until they start realizing the
#costs involved and the fact that 90% of they buying public will be
#just as impressed by WSC success as F1 success (perhaps more impressed;
#the cars _seem_ more related to what they're actually buying).  The ranks
#would easily fill with privateers and "second string" manufacturers such
#as Toyota and Yamaha, etc.

To complement this (IMHO excellent) suggestion: take another leaf out
of the '60s rule-book and require a manufacturer to build a certain
number of units for homologation purposes. Think "GT40": Ford wanted to
win at Le Mans, was required to build 50 GT40's to get the design
homologated, and therefore created a design which was a compromise
between win-at-all-costs (as later exemplified by the J car and Mk.IV)
and affordability, so that they could sell the 40 or so (actually
rather more) that they didn't need themselves. Within a couple of years
it became common to see GT40's in club racing - hell, there was even a
street-legal one in my home town (Beaconsfield, Bucks., England).  How
would you like your own Nissan GTP or Jaguar XJ14?
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From: anderbea@columbia.dsu.edu (Anthony Anderberg)
Subject: Re: I asked Michael
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:32:09 GMT


All I know is that if he is half as great as his father was and still is; he 
will be a huge success.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:49:24 EST
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal
 <720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk>
 <10702296.18.721283112@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>

In article <10702296.18.721283112@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>,
10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) says:

>In article <720921233.26440@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk
>writes:
>>Path:
>monu6!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!si
>a
>miri.primate.wisc.edu!ames!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!yorkohm!minster!pete
>>Andrew Henry (bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk) wrote:
>>:
>>: This makes four engines in four years for Tyrrell.  The deal is
>>: for two years. Given that Yamaha's contract with Jordan was for
>>: four years, and it lasted one, does this herald a mid-season
>>: engine swap for Ken's team ?  :-)
>>
>>Four engines in four years never hurt Toleman/Benetton much -- Hart, BMW,
>>Cosworth turbo and DFR (1985-88)

>Tyrell will be hurtin' heaps!
>Just look at what happened to the Jordan team this year, Tyrell will be
>languishing among the back markers next season, wait and see!
>The Yamaha engine is a lemon, Jordan were glad to see the back of it.

It wont be the same Yamaha engine. It will be a Judd V-10 with Yamaha
valve covers. The Judd engine is not bad, perhaps more  reliable than
the Ilmor Tyrrell ran last year. I think his best chance for having
a good season was when he ran Honda V-10s. They did well in the Footworks
cars this year.

Jonathan Swaby
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Sauber Speculations (was: Aus GP Stuff)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.175151.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au>,
ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
|> >>[driver changes]
|> >>Ayrton most likely to stay at Maclaren
|> 
|> We keep getting reports that he's gone to Sauber - could be interesting.

Interesting, yes, but _extremely_ unlikely.  I just can't picture
Peter Sauber dropping one of his drivers.  But maybe I am just being
naive.  At any rate, no such rumors have surfaced in Switzerland
so far.  (Besides, why would Sauber want Senna, anyway? ;-)

However, there is some speculation in the German speaking part of this
world that Mercedes may enter F1 with Sauber in 1994.  This speculation
is based on the following two observations:
- Mercedes have been involved in the DTM (German Touring Car Champion-
  ship) for quite a few years.  They are clearly unhappy about both
  BMW and Audi pulling out.  They figure they can only lose now:  If
  they win next year's DTM, everybody will say that it was easy to
  beat Alfa and Opel plus a few privateers.  And if they do not win,
  it'll look even worse.
- The first tests of the Sauber F1 have been very encouraging (and
  Sauber and Merc have worked together before).

Note again that the above is (still) pure speculation.  However,
if it turned out to be true, it would be interesting to see what
happens with Schumacher in 1994:  As far as I know, he signed a
3-year-contract (1992-1994) with Tom Walkinshaw which stipulates
that he has to drive for Mercedes if they enter F1.

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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: F1: Tyrrell Announce Yamaha Deal
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:08:33 GMT

In article <10702296.18.721283112@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
> Just look at what happened to the Jordan team this year, Tyrell will be 
> languishing among the back markers next season, wait and see!
> The Yamaha engine is a lemon, Jordan were glad to see the back of it.

I believe that next year's Yamaha is no relation to this year's.  It's a
badged something-or-other, I think.

Or am I all wet?

ian
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:26:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Dan Jones (danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com) wrote:
: 
: Anyway, I'm hopeful that the Sauber turns out to be a very competitive team
: next season.  And the more competitive they are, the better in my mind.
: It might be a little optimistic to think that Sauber might pull a Wolf and
: win its first F1 race, but it doesn't hurt hoping.
: 
: Dan Jones

I'd be surprised, since they'll also have to get through prequalifying --
which should be back next season if Sauber, Pacific and Trebron turn up and
Brabham and Fondmetal are back.... that hour has the nasty habit of catching
teams out at times! Certainly I'd expect to see Sauber doing at least as
well as Jordan did in 1991. 

BTW, has anyone heard anything about Trebron since their launch? Are they a
vapourware team? No drivers named, no sponsors.... I'm beginning to think
they're a con!

Pete
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From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 final points positions
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:18:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Can anyone post the final positions for this season now that is
over with? I mean points positions...Thanks! :-)
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Drivers' Championships and technology (was: Aus GP Stuff)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:28:22 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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In article <UEMURA.92Nov12190852@ashura.isl.melco.co.jp> uemura@isl.melco.co.jp (Joe Uemura) writes:
>In article <1dsc2iINNqj6@morrow.stanford.edu> jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
> |
> |Tom Haapanen again:
> |>But what could be done to limit the advantage enjoyed by a single team?
> |>It'd be very difficult limiting the amount of engineering and/or techno-
> |>logy going into a car -- I'm sure we don't want spending limits!  The
> |>engine advantage (such as enjoyed by Honda from 1986 to about 1990) could
> |>be easier to deal with: we could require an engine manufacturer to
> |>supply up to N teams with customer engines, where N is the number of
> |>Constructors' Championships they've won in the past five years.  Hey,
> |>FISA already does this kind of thing for tires...
> |>
> |
> |I like this idea a lot. I see three ingredients for success in F1 today:
> |(1) money, (2) engine deal, (3) technical competence, in that order.
>   ...
> |be at least three teams, optionally more. The exclusive engine deal has
> |been a killer of competition (which is exactly what both the team and
> |engine manufacturer want from it).
> |
>
>Although I agree that banning exclusive engine deals would probably somewhat 
>close the gap, it would not be as effective as with the tires regulation. 
>If I recall  correctly, during the early seventies, there were basically only 
>two engines in F1: Ford-Cosworth and Ferrari. Even at that time, the 
>teams with higher budgets and the better chances of winning the 
>championship would receive the most powerful engines. I remember drivers 
>complaining that the top Cosworth engines were way more powerful than 
>the presumably same Cosworth engines used by the less privileged teams.
> 
>Joe
>
>

Yes, that's true. I remember the talk of "Super Cosworths" and so on, but I
think that the horsepower differential there was of the order of 15-25 hp.
Today Benetton gives up 50 hp or so, and Lotus perhaps 25 hp more - a harder
differential to make up. Just for fun, I got out my Automobile Year 1975, and
found reference to Jody Scheckter using a "Super Cosworth reputed to produce
more than 480 hp".

Anyone have a figure for the standard Cosworth of 1975 or so?

Jeff
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Adelaide: [SPOILERS]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:55:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1dkrggINNl6t@morrow.stanford.edu> jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
>On another note,  how long did Riccardo's car sit there after it stopped?
>I was surprised they left it there just off the racing line for so long. I
>also thought they passed a rule that cars with electronic gearboxes had to
>have an override to put it into neutral for situations like that.

That rule was for *next* year, to avoid exactly this kind of situation.


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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:27:10 GMT

danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

>Ian G Batten writes:
>>Dan Jones writes:
>>> <sarcasm on>
>>> Therefore, I would like to say that the F3000 Reynard is a better car
>>> than the F1 Ferrari.
>>> <sarcasm off>
>>
>>From watching F3000 racing this year, and the ``handling'' of this
>>year's Ferrari, I don't see quite what is so stupid about this
>>comparison.  I rather suspect Gerhard is hoping for change.

>Granted, the Ferrari isn't a good F1 car, and the Reynard is a good F3000
>car, but the bottom line is lap times.  I think most drivers would prefer
>a Ferrari F1 car over a Reynard F3000 car.  And my statement makes a bit 
>more sense in its original context.

>Dan Jones

	I agree with Dan on this one. It is obvious that the F192 was not a bad
car, it just took a long time to find out its handling characteristics. Remem-
ber that the F192 was designed by Steve Nichols who left before the season even
started. Therefore, it doesn't come as a surprise to me that it took so long to
get teh car dialed in. But, it is equally obvious that the engine lacked consid-
erable power. In the Japanese GP, Larini and Alesi were the two slowest cars
there.
	However, the slowest F1 car is FAR better than the fastest F300 car. It
like comparing mens and womens international tennis. The #300 man is better thanthe #1 women. Just look at how a washed-up Jimmy Connorsd beat one of the top
women in teh world in Martina Navratilova. Well, now that I have completely 
twisted the thread into tennis, I'll shut up. I just wanted to illustrate HUGE
disparity between F300 and F1.


TOBY...

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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI - WC points
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:20:22 GMT

Winston Cup Point Standings for top 20 positions as of 01-nov-1992
(Albuquerque Journal)


1.	Davey Allison (28)		Ford	3928
2.	Alan Kulwicki (7)		Ford	3898
3.	Bill Elliott (11)		Ford	3888
4.	Harry Gant (33)			Olds	3831
5.	Kyle Petty (42)			Pont	3830

6. 	Mark Martin (6)			Ford	3815
7.	Ricky Rudd (5)			Chev	3647
8.	Darrell Waltrip (17)		Chev 	3565
9.	Terry Labonte (94)		Olds	3514
10.	Ernie Irvan (4)			Chev	3499

11.	Dale Earnhardt (3)		Chev	3484
12.	Sterling Marlin (22)		Ford	3457
13.	Brett Bodine (26)		Ford	3443
14.	Morgan Shepherd (21)		Ford	3419
15.	Rusty Wallace (2)		Pont	3406

16.	Ken Schrader (25)	 	Chev	3349
17. 	Geoff Bodine (15)		Ford	3267
18.	Ted Musgrave (55)		Ford	3177
19.	Dale Jarrett (18)		Chev	3117
20.	Dick Trickle (8)		Ford	3045

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From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Petty's numbers
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:09:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

With all I've been reading about the Petty's family race car numbers was it
just lucky that Kyle got to race #42 Mellow Yellow because I an old race car
(matchbox), It was the 42 Mellow Yellow exactly like Kyle's but it was being
drive by Bobby Hillin. I thought because Richard drove #43 and his uncle (I
believe) drove #44 that Kyle wanted #42.
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From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:00:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Moveable wings make a big difference. The angle of attack and the chord
of the wing generate lift (in the case of race cars it is negarHtive lift
which holds the car to the track) but lift = drag. You don't need much
lift on the straights but that is precisely when the most lift is
generated. Straight line sppeed would be much greater without the drag
created by the wing; it would also increase fuel economy. Back in the
Can-Am days Jim Hall's Chapparral with the flipper was much faster when
the wing was operating (it was designed to fail in the high lift position).
Actually the Chapparral had two moveable wings, the second was in the
nose of the car to put pressure on the front tires. The use of wings as
separate structures was banned after the F1 cars started copying the Can_-
Am cars but with MUCH flimsier construction to reduce weight. I think
McLaren was among the first to get around the rule when he incorporated
the wing as part of the bodywork; the AVS Shadow used a radiator mounted
on pylons which also doubled as a wing. The disadvantage over the
original wings used in Can-Am is that body mounted wings apply pressure
to the sprung weight of the car as opposed to applying it directly to
the suspension.

Bob.
From: potamian@apollo.HP.COM (Spyros Potamianos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Parmalat
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:49:41 GMT
Reply-To: potamian@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1e0qbsINNfu3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> Could someone tell me what type of company Parmalat is or was?
|> They sponsored Piquet's Brabham for a number of years, and I
|> was just curious what they did.
|> -- 
|>       
|> Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!
|> 

Dairy products I think... (at least I remember seeing Parmalat milk -
chocolate milk too!!! :-) in a super market sometime ago)

Spyros Potamianos
potamian@hpl.hp.com