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From: jaa101@gorton.anu.edu.au (James Ashton)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Opinions - Diplomacy between moves and retreats?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:44:48 GMT
Organization: The Australian National University, Canberra
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In the (physical) mail games I've played (in Australia), retreats were
ordered at the same time as other moves for that turn.  Typically this
was done just by listing the retreat provinces in order of priority for
every unit.  If retreats were required, the first legal retreat
province was used.  If desired though, players could make the retreat
lists vary depending on the (movement, but not retreat or build) orders
of other players, or on the actual resulting unit movements.  As I
recall, I rarely felt the need to have conditional retreat orders.
Build and disband orders were handled in a similar way and here
conditional orders were more common.

This system had the advantage of greater speed for a given postal
system as well as the fact that the `diplomacy before retreats/builds'
problem was eliminated.  The disadvantage was increased complexity.
When I wrote my judge equivalent in 1987 I included the syntax to allow
this type of ordering but never reached the stage of implementing that
part of the system.  Retreat lists could be made conditional on boolean
expressions the primitives of which referred to the orders and moves of
the current turn.  Not having tried out the judge system however, I'm
in a poor position to say how easily such a variant could be trialled.
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From: loeb@greco-prog.fr (Daniel LOEB)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Various questions
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:42:23 GMT
Reply-To: loeb@geocub.UUCP (Daniel LOEB)
Organization: Greco Programmation du CNRS

In article <Bz9DAL.4nv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmeyer@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Philip Meyer) writes:
>Can someone tell me who wrote the DA program and when?

How quickly we forget. Ken Lowe wrote the program over the last 5 or
so years. 

In another article. Rilba Guy asks how can one become a moderator, and
what one does.
I suggest that any moderator should first be experienced in playing
diplomacy on the JUDGE. Then he should request the following files and
read them carefully.
	GET HOW2GM		(out of date, but still interesting)
	GET MASTER		(technical details of great importance)
	GET EP.HOUSE.RULES	(the rules to use)
After reading all that you should be set to start running games. 
You can do it yourself unless the JUDGE's manager is placing
restrictions on game creation, in which case you should write to him.

An another article, an anonymous person is asking how to change the
deadline in a certain gunboat diplomacy game.
It is "moderated" but the moderator is absent.
In such a case, only the JUDGE's manager can help you. 
Write directly to him.

 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: donley@cscns.com (Donley P'Simer)
Subject: Questions, questions...
Organization: Community_News_Service
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:30:31 GMT

OK, I don't know if you guys have a FAQ (and I've looked!), so I'll ask my
questions and get it over with. How can I get in on an e-mail game of
Diplomacy? Who moderates them, and if I want to do so how do I go about it?

Thanks,
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From: rilba@stna.dgac.fr (Rilba Guy STNA 7SU p8087 BD24)
Subject: Other question
Organization: STNA 95 rue Henri Rochefort 91025 Evry Cedex 33(1)60.79.80.00
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:42:59 GMT

Can someone describe the moderator job ? How can someone become (i.e learn
to be) a moderator ?

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From: arkoff@lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Canadian Diplomacy Players -- Part II
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:42:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec15.034214.473
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <BzA203.J8F@ecf.toronto.edu> lokendr@ecf.toronto.edu (LO KENDRICK) writes:
>I have received quite a good response so far from the last posting
>and I have decided to post it again  [a big two days later]
 for those who missed it the first
>time.
>
>I am planning to get a group of people together to play Diplomacy.
>Please drop me a line if you are interested.
>
>1) I am looking for any interested players who would be interested in
>   playing a game by e-mail.  Registration on the judge is NOT necessary,
>   but internet e-mail access is.  Open to Canadian players of all le
>   levels.  Diplomacy will take place over the e-mail channels, and I
>   will personally GM the game, and produce move results; so it will
>   most probably be a judge-independent game.
>
>2) I am looking for any interested players who would be interested in
>   playing in some sort of organized Diplomacy set of face-to-face
>   games.  You should be living in or around the Metropolitan Toronto
>   Area.  This will take place sometime in the new year, not yet
>   determined.
>
>   If you think you might be interested, (no obligation necessary!)
>   drop me a line at lokendr@ecf.toronto.edu  or  lokendr@ecf.utoronto.ca.
>   I look forward to hearing from you!  Merry Christmas.
>
>   Kendrick


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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jab@cs.brown.edu (James M. Borger)
Subject: FAQ list
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:08:26 GMT

Can someone please post or mail me the FAQ list?

Thanks,

Jim Borger
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Difference between Moderated and Unrated
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:01:45 GMT

In article <abick.724691877@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>
>	I've noticed that some games are listed Moderated and some are
>listed Unrated. What is the difference? I assume that the difference
>between them is whether or not the game has (or had) a Master. Is this
>correct?
>	Does Unrated mean that dedication points are not used or that
>wins/losses will not be recorded in the Hall of Fame?

The judges, by default (now) create all unmoderated games as unrated,
however unmoderated games can be rated (by using the set rate command,
or moderated games can be unrated (by using the set unrate command).

Unrated, simply means that the games will not be used in calculating
the dedication points.

I personally believe that all games should be rated, however it
makes little difference, as there are no new games in Washington, and
therefore the dedication points don't mean anything there anymore, and
all games at EFF MUST be moderated, and are therefore rated.

Nick
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy before retreats revisited
Organization: Nerds On Parade
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:01:12 GMT

lokendr@ecf.toronto.edu (LO KENDRICK) writes: 

>I don't particularly want to draw more blood out of this stone,
>but I think I have come across an interesting situation.
>
>I am presently moderating game purity on the Washington Judge.
>It is a pure variant game:  There are only 7 supply centres on
>the board on 7 spaces, all interconnected and nothing else.
>
>The problem is, that if diplomacy _were_ allowed before retreats,
>it makes for a completely different game.  I have come to accept
>that it would probably be best if I allowed dip before retreats/
>builds for judge games as it is the general concensus, but what
>about for this game?
>
>Here is my posting, that I put in my game to players and observers.
>Please feel free to comment on the situation.

I think that if you take the time and trouble to bring the matter up
before the beginning of the game and get a consensus from the players,
then either answer is equally valid.  If I understood the question correctly,
I imagine I personally would prefer to play with negotiated retreats but
what's important is that the players generally understand the rules before
the game.  This means, IMHO, that if something is not discussed before the
game, that the game master must enforce what he feels is "status quo" or
the ruling that most players would reasonably *assume* was in effect, should
a question come up.

Fred
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Achieving Bcc's through the judge
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:07:23 GMT

I'm presently playing a game at work, two moves a week.  Most
of the negotiations have been either FTF or via email.  We are
not playing on a judge, but have a human adjudicator.

I've found that a useful tool is the ability to Bcc other
players when proposing something, or responding to something.
For example, if I was germany, I might say

	To: russia
	Bcc: turkey
	Subject: Re: Taking BUL from the turks

	Sure!  Sounds like a great idea, my fleet will
	definitely be supporting you in from SER.

It looks like judge press allows for the same sort of thing;
the press help file says

   fake [partial] to [all but] list     -or-    fake [+/-]list
        The message is faked as going to the set of people specified
        eventhough it may be a broadcast message or be a message sent
        to an alternate set of people.

But there doesn't seem to be an example of sending to "an
alternate set of people".  Is the correct syntax

	press to RT fake partial to R

- David
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: What is part?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:14:00 GMT

JS> == Josh Smith <irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu>

 JS> I'm not sure what the difference between "CD" and "abandon" are (and
 JS> would love to find out, if anyone who knows is listening)

CD      = you missed a deadline and the grace period.
abandon = you RESIGNed.

(Your explanation of "part" was better than mine, too; I forgot about the
error flag handling.)
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott)
Subject: Re: Building and disbanding units
Keywords: building disbanding army fleet
Organization: Nerds On Parade
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:39:20 GMT

positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes: 

>In article <1992Dec16.152808.9075@cs.few.eur.nl> vdakker@cs.few.eur.nl (Johan van den Akker) writes:
>>Suppose I have 4 units and 5 supply centres. This means I can build 1
>>unit during the adjustment phase. My question is: Is it also possible to
>>disband 1 unit and build 2 units? The result would be the same: 5 units
>>and 5 supply centres, but it would allow a sort of warp movement of
>>units, which could be a reason to prohibit it.
>
>2. BUILDING AND REMOVING UNITS (ADJUSTMENTS).  After the Fall moves
>...
>
>In other words (as I see it), no. Looks to me like you can only disband
>if you have a deficit, and build if you have a surplus. 

This is correct.  One "sort of" exception on a pratical level exists which
you might want to keep in mind: if one of your existing units was retreated
during a fall move (or a spring move also, for that matter), you always have
the option of disbanding the unit, even if it has legal retreat.  If you do
this in a fall move and it leaves you with a surplus of supply centers (or
larger surplus than you would have had) during the build phase, you could
effectively "rebuild" the unit at a home supply center.

Fred
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: dmiller@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (David L. Miller)
Subject: France resigning from Washington game tapir
Originator: dmiller@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:14:19 GMT

I am about to resign as France from game tapir on the Washington judge. 
Fall of 1902 has just completed.  France is in a bad, but not
irrecoverable position.
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From: desper@math.rutgers.edu (Rick Desper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Another replacment needed
Keywords: Mindanao
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:21:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: dipl-l@mitvma.bitnet


	Martin Brumm has informed me that his game Mindanao needs a
replacment for Russia.  The game is a Youngstown Gunboat no-press. It
is being played on the Washington Judge.  The listing shows Russia
owning only 3 supply centers.  This is just a mop-up job - I don't
think that Russia is long for the world.  Would somebody mind
supervising the death throes?   
					Rick
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:52:19 GMT
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Salmon flies
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:25:34 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BzF7uA.MBC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
|For us non-tying types, how do we get a sample with 3 transparent
|whatevers to see what you are talking about, not to mention
|trying out. - Roger 

I'm a tying type and I wasn't even sure what the transparent whatevers were.
I believe the term "flash" was used.  Was this crystal flash, or flashabou,
or something completely different.

Another fly tying note:  The most recent issue of Flyfisherman has an article
about "yet another" caddis pattern.  It claims that there are 500 specic of
caddis flies and I think there are just as many patterns.  In any case, this
pattern was called a No hackle caddis and used a buggy body without a palmered
hackle (or the palmered hackle was trimmed extremely short) and a variety
of wing styles (personally I like the CDC over a sparse elk/deer hair or
antron sparkle yarn wing).  What made these flies look really natural though
was the use of two pheasant tail fibres as antennae.  As antenna they look
much more natural than goose biots.

-- 
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| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: spl3592@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Scott LaRoche)
Subject: Re:Powerbait
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:37:15 GMT

********   2 unread articles in rec.outdoors.fishing--read now? [ynq] 
;H2JArticle 1410 (1 more) in rec.outdoors.fishing:
From: wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller)

Subject: 4mPowerbaitm
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:06:28 GMT

        I've noticed that a lot of people use Powerbait, either nuggets or the
other stuff, and doing very well pulling trout out of some of the local lakes.
Being an artifical lure person myself, I was wondering..how exactly do you use
the stuff. The directions on the jars is not very accurate. I probably won't
use the stuff myself, but my 10 year old could sure enjoy catching something
other than panfish. Any suggestions from those who have used the stuff? Thanks.

                                                Wes Miller
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Abu-Garcia baitcasting reels
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:44:14 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <7246181893118@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov> gbanks@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov (Gregory Banks) writes:
>Is there anybody out there who knows if there are some left-handed
>Abu-Garcia baitcasting reels to be had? The reels I am looking for
>are 91 models. Either the 521 XLT's or the Synchro's 1 or 2 . If you
>know of any shops that may have these reels, I would be very interested
>in buying them. I would appreciate any help in locating them.
>

Gregory,

Several years ago I bought a MITCHELL 8610. It is a left/right convertable
closed faced reel. There are four models;  8610 8810 8630 8830.

The difference between the 86's and the 88's is not clear from the owners
manual. The ##10's are smaller than the ##30's (7.2 oz. / 90yds. #6) versus
(10 oz. / 115yds. #6)

My daughter is right handed but I switched the crank to the left side so
she can cast & retrieve without having to switch hands.

Mitchell is now owned by Johnson Fishing, Inc.
			 P.O. Box 3129
			 Mankato, MN.      56002-3129

			 (507) 345-4623
                 service (800) 227-6433

If the main number brings you 'no joy' you could call the 800 and ask for
John Kusler in 'reels' - he helped me out BIG TIME just a month ago.....
If you DO ask for John, tell him Joe Whittemore - "the guy with the TWO
Mitchell 5540RD - rear drag - reels" - recomended him - HIGHLY!

Hope this helps............
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller)
Subject: Powerbait
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:06:28 GMT

	I've noticed that a lot of people use Powerbait, either nuggets or the
other stuff, and doing very well pulling trout out of some of the local lakes.
Being an artifical lure person myself, I was wondering..how exactly do you use
the stuff. The directions on the jars is not very accurate. I probably won't
use the stuff myself, but my 10 year old could sure enjoy catching something
other than panfish. Any suggestions from those who have used the stuff? Thanks.

						Wes Miller
From: chip@rrc.chevron.com (Chip Parham)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:18:37 GMT
Reply-To: chip@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

>Usually, holding a seine downstream, or if you have a fishing partner, have
>them hold it, and then kick over rocks or use a wading staff to dislodge
>the nymphs.  Some people consider this practice as "not playing fair" if
>you continue to do this without the seine.  It tends to dislodge the nymphs
>in the path of possibly feeding fish.  Once you've matched the nymph your
>fly would be drifting along with the natural nymphs.  

This method of wading and chumming while fishing downstream is extremely destructive and
illegal in many western states.  I believe both Utah and Montana ban this type of "matching the
hatch."



Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Johansson)
Subject: Salmon flies
Reply-To: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: eunet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:46:25 GMT

 
I would like to discuss Salmon flies.
Give us your own favourite fly, or tying tips
and so on.
Here is a good fly, which I got from a
local Fly Fisherman when I were fishing
in morrum, Sweden this autumn.
Let us call it:  17 fly
 
        tag:    Oval gold tinsel (small) 
        tail:   Red Game Cock hackle fibre  
                (one hook gap in length) 
        body:   Dubbing from Hare's face
        tinsel: Oval gold tinsel (medium) 
        wing:   3 transparent flash  
                (to the end of the tail)
                Give the flash an angle of
                45 degrees; and let them have 
                a top view like this: 
 
                        (tail) 
 
                        \ | /
                         \|/ 
                          O      
 
                        (head) 
                 
                This will let the flash to
                pulsate in an attractive way in
                the water
        collar
        hackle: Red Game Cock hackle
        head:   Black
 
Try this one, you never know ...
 
/ Tomas
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:46:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1glsqeINNhfu@agate.berkeley.edu> templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) writes:
|Just out of curiosity, how do you *get* enough hexagenia nymphs
|to consider using them as bait? Can you actually seine up a bunch
|of them from the bottom of streams? I know your rivers out there
|in Michigan harbor excellent hex hatches, but I've personally
|never had any luck catching these or other wiggle nymphs myself
|and would like to know how it's done...

Usually, holding a seine downstream, or if you have a fishing partner, have
them hold it, and then kick over rocks or use a wading staff to dislodge
the nymphs.  Some people consider this practice as "not playing fair" if
you continue to do this without the seine.  It tends to dislodge the nymphs
in the path of possibly feeding fish.  Once you've matched the nymph your
fly would be drifting along with the natural nymphs.  

-- 
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: yang@pecan.cns.udel.edu (spider)
Subject: Re: Delaware Bay Fishing
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:46:42 GMT


	Unfortunately, my I have no experience at fly fishing, and
	rarely do I prowl the surf, though I want to learn about 
	both someday.
		Most of my saltwater experenience in DE has been at
  	pier, on the jetties at IR, and some at Roosevelt inlet on the
	little beach area (flounder).
		By the way, the name is James. Thanks for the reply!

						James


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: gbanks@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov (Gregory Banks)
Subject: Coast Guard user fee is no more!
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:39:11 GMT

Good news! The rip-off user fee is no more as of 1993! Boats under 20'
will not be required to have to pay for the deficit anymore. Boats over
20' will have to pay for two more years! (sorry) Its about time congress
did something right for a change! Leaves me a little more $$$ for those
crankbaits I lose so often!







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