From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:07:13 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Wed 29 Jul 92 18:03, Skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (skip Sau
wrote:

 SS> You are right that I don't like Commodore, but I do like the Amiga. 
 SS> It is
 SS> the frustration with the state of the Amiga that generates articles
 SS> like 
 SS> this and the resulting mayhem.

  You see, maybe I just don't get it. You mean to tell me that this message
is going to make Commodore see the error of their ways? If a syndicated
article can't.. what makes you think that creating fictious pieces is going
to change anything.

  They are probably guffawing at this exchange right. 

 SS> What makes you think that I was trying to piss off others?  The
 SS> original
 SS> article was posted only to this newsgroup and no one in their right
 SS> mind
 SS> took it seriously.

  First of all, I didn't see the original article. I have only recently
signed on to this newsgroup. So how could someone like me know that there
was an older version? 

  Secondly, I can't see any purpose from this than to piss people off.
Maybe you were trying to piss off Commodore... but is it really going to do
that? I don't think so. I mean, if I were working at Commodore and I saw
this floating around the net.. I would just laugh. If it was TRUE, then I
would shut up, but I wouldn't say anything anyway.

  Maybe I just don't get it.. maybe you can show me the humor and deep
seeded meaning in all this?

 SS> I'd bet that lots of people would love to see machines such as those
 SS> mentioned in the article.  I didn't just start making those specs up
 SS> off the top of my head.  I've been active on the Amiga groups for

  Well, it's quite obvious that you know a lot about the system. I am not a
person into computer tech, but someone I told about this is and he thought
it was flawed.. but well thought out.

 SS> nothing to do with the spread of the edited versions of the article
 SS> and
 SS> honestly find it hard to believe that it has gone so far.

  It's true. I heard rumblings about some Super New Amiga 4000 over on
GEnie's Amiga RT. I checked in and it mentioned something about it. So, I
looked on the list of newsgroups and signed into Advocacy. That's when I
saw the posting of the article. Since then, I have found out that it's over
on CompuSpend and, though I know of no one over there and I can't confirm
this.. I hear it's on Tragedy (Prodigy). People are taking this for real
and spreading it all over the place. I don't know if the word has gotten
around that it's fake. 

 SS> First of all, the original article had my signature file attached and
 SS> the
 SS> usual "In Article ... skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu writes ... " message
 SS> at 
 SS> the top.  Believe it or not, but that is my name.  I've seen a couple
 SS> of
 SS> versions of the article which had my name intact and a few that
 SS> didn't.

  That's not your fault. Like I said, I didn't see the original article.
There was no way I could've know there was one.. therefore if there was a
version with a name on it.. then I didn't see it.

  The version I did see had a name at the top.. but it said that it was
retyped from a magazine.. and proceeded to give a title. This pretty much
killed the name at the top considering the person posting it said that it
was from Amiga News. And since Amiga News IS a real newspaper.. and since I
have NOT seen the original piece, what kind of evidence is there for me to
dispute it? There were no disclaimers.. there were no APRIL FOOLS.. just
the article.

  If the article was stripped of all lines that would've proved it false,
that's not your fault and I apologize if I blamed you for that. 

 SS> You obviously saw one of the versions in which the last paragraph was
 SS> conveniently deleted.

  I did. Sorry.

 SS> When someone is frustrated with reality, they often resort to wishful
 SS> thinking.  In this case the reality is the sorry state that Commodore
 SS> has
 SS> put the Amiga in and the wishful thinking was expressed in the
 SS> article.

  Hey! I totally agree with you! Commodore is sad... but how can we change
their minds? I think the best thing to do at this point is try to motivate
Mr. Robinson into being our voice. Commodore won't.

What do you think of that?

 SS> Honestly, I am not out to make you mad at me.  I'm sorry that you saw
 SS> a
 SS> butchered version of the article, I assure that the original would
 SS> have
 SS> seemed much less cowardly and deceiving.

  Once again, I apologize for jumping all over you like that. I did not
know there was an original piece and I didn't know it was conviniently
edited.

  Sorry.

Mike.. 

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Phillip Robinson author of Washington Post/San Jose Mercury
article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!

                              Phil Robinson
                              P.O. Box 1377
                           Sausalito, CA  94966
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