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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
From: myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:57:44 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

In article <1g5lmeINN6f5@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, phucy@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G J Cafolla) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.170803.2710@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> [....] some text deleted

[...] more text deleted

>>               All of this may sound UN-believable to most Christians.  
>>          But try reading the Old Testament with these things in mind.  
>>          For example, read the part about one of the Old Testament 
>>          characters, Jacob, I think, WRESTLING WITH GOD, AND WINNING!  
>>          [ ALWAYS use the KING JAMES VERSION.  Later versions are PER-
>>          VERSIONS! ] 
> 
> 
> 
> 	So I take it that you have read ALL of the other versions.  The fact
> that the American Standard is considered to be the most accurate rendering
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> means nothing to you ?  You obviously speek to people in thous thees and
> tho's !.  Thou art !!
> 

I thought it was the New International Version that was the most accurate.  I
may be wrong though.

> 
> 
>>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
>>
>>
>>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>>                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
> 
> 
> Sounds to me as if your degree and research have finally gotten to you!.
> I just want to say that your article was interesting because you made your
> point but not with any hard evidence ..! 
> 
> (and to think that people say the bible is unfounded and without evidence).
> 
Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>         ----------------------------------------------------------------
>         -        Gerry Cafolla          -   Be fools for Christ but    -
>         -                               -   don't make Christ the fool -
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Carlos
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:11:53 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec14.125721.4548@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>What are some of your favorite songs, written as if spoken/sung by the
>singer, dealing with events in the life of Christ?

SO I forgot one! ;-)

Pilate - Pilate / Undercover / Branded

Tom (moeller@convex.com)

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox)
Subject: Re: Madonna???
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:08:13 EST


|> 	Look - Mariah Carey CAN sing.  Whitney Houston can sing.  Those
|> dudes from Boys 2 Men can sing.  And the list goes on......
|> 


Speaking about Mariah Carey, her song "Make It Happen" is a powerful testimony
of how the Lord helped her in her career.  Her musical career first started in
gospel singing.


Tracey
From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madonna???
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:47:52 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

felske@erich.triumf.ca (FELSKE, WAYNE W.) writes:
> 	I don't care what words are in one of her songs. This woman has 
> had a well greased machine ( a media machine not amusic machine) that 
> pushes the bounds of decency for her gain. A few good words in the background 
> are not going to detract from the fact that whatever morals the woman has
> have been laid aside infavor of her celebrity / superstar status.
> 
> 	As an aside... I noticed Neil Diamond come to town months back. He is
> being marketed as a Frank Sinatra for this generation. I can undrstand this as
> he has a lot of good music that has stood the test of time.
> 	I don't see a 50 yr old Madonna singing "Like a Virgin", do you?
> I think she's just a flash ,like Boy George, the only problem being is that
> the flash has already been too long. At least AMY can sing.
> 
> 	Wayne Felske 
> 	Why is it the worst singers make it to the top of the heap?
> 	Sort of tells you what the heap is made of.
> 	felske@erich.triumf.ca
> 


	Awwwwwwww..... We aren't getting a little biased and sarcastic
here, are we?!?

	Look - Mariah Carey CAN sing.  Whitney Houston can sing.  Those
dudes from Boys 2 Men can sing.  And the list goes on......

	Even though I dislike the above groups' music, I still respect
them for their talents and abilities.  I don't like Madonna's music, 
either (I'm an alternative fan myself), but I still think she has a
beautiful voice.  Just because a singer may be corrupt and disrespectful
doesn't mean they can't sing.

	...And I would have to admit that AMY also has a fairly powerful
media machine, as well.  Or at least she does since she altered her style
to that of a 'Top 40' one.  She CAN sing, though :)



						Increase the Peace!!!

								dj X
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Need music recommendations
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.211911.7387@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>
>Hello and happy holidays.  I need some recommendations on music to give
>to a good friend of mine.  She is not a Christian, but is experiencing a
>spiritual rebirth.  I'd like to help her on her journey by exposing her
>to some good quality Christian music.  Her favorite style of music is
>what I would call dance music.  I have no idea how to classify it better

Try something from the label "MYX".  It is very new stuff and it
specializes in dance music.  If she is into the club scene, Scott
Blackwel's "Walk on the Wild Side" is perfect.  If she is into "rave"
try Jyradelix or DanceHouseChildren.

With this style of music (as with most), Christians are a little late
on the scene and somewhat unoriginal.  The ones I have suggested are
hopefully the most "authentic" dance beat makers out there.

later,
phil

>Grace and peace,
>
>Paul
>
>===============================================================================
>Paul Conditt		Internet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
>Applied Research	Phone:	  (512) 835-3086   FAX: (512) 835-3416/3259
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>no witty sayings or quotes here


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:10:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <nestabro.724347804@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

>My desire is for my life to be such that NO one in the world can say, "yeah,
>right, he's a Christian, look, he does so and so".  

Good luck, Noel.  They said it about Christ two thousand years ago.



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish)
Subject: Summer conferences?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:45:20 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Is anyone aware of any conferences appropriate for praise/worship
musicians coming up next summer?  

Bill Parrish
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Petra/Metra
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:29:22 GMT

	There is a very kindly rumor (as opposed to a nasty rumor) circulating
in the Bozeman area that Petra will be performing at the Metra (yes, that's
actually an arena, I didn't just make it up to rhyme) in Billings sometime
soon.  Can anyone confirm or deny?
	Has anybody heard of a new Petra CD coming out?  It's getting to be
about time, and I don't have the most current information.  Thanks.


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		-Quicksilver (Truly a renaissance man!)
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RAVE and REGGAE acts
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:31:32 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        A friend who works for Frontline records told me that a Christain
reggae record is on it's way.  The name of the band is Christafari.

        One name I find conspicuously absent from the lists of rave artists
I've seen is DanceHouse Children.  I think that most people will find that
their second album, Jesus, pleases more than the first.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant in Top 10
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:51:34 GMT

of COURSE she looks beautiful!!  She's one of those timeless beauties...

Except for the permed hair, she's totally awesome




-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
        -leslie wintheiser                    |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.125721.4548@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>What are some of your favorite songs, written as if spoken/sung by the
>singer, dealing with events in the life of Christ?
>
>For instance, Michael Card has the song about Simeon holding the baby
>Jesus in the Temple.  Amy Grant has Breath of Heaven - Mary singing after
>the birth of Jesus.  Don Franscisco has several songs about Peter.  I
>hear a song sung as if by Christ as he grows up, dealing encounters with
>nails.  Another song played a lot around here is called 'Watch the Lamb'
>dealing with the events of the day of the Crucifixion.
>
>What other songs are there?  I would LOVE to see a list of songs which
>would span the time frame from Mary's first encounter with the angel through
>the final Ascention - seems like it would be a great list to gather together
>and play during the holidays...

Bob Bennett's "Man of the Tombs" is a very moving recounting of being
set free by Christ, as recounted by the Gadarene demoniac.  A lot of
times these "first-person narratives by biblical characters songs" 
strike me as being a little forced and artificial, but this one really
works.  It gets to me every time.

And I have a "song" (well, a thirty-five minute classical composition)
for the beginning of your list, too.  Check out Bach's "Magnificat,"
which is a word-for-word setting of Mary's "My soul doth magnify
the Lord" speech at the beginning of Luke's gospel.  Of course, the
words are in Latin. :-)

>Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
>Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
>Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614

We must be within a couple miles of each other, Larry.  Let me know 
if you'd like to sample the songs before buying :-)

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com
From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:00:46 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> phucy@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G J Cafolla) writes:
> 
>>>we aren't as sure of, this could signal a problem.  I too wonder about this
>>>(in myself) when I listen to music three hours a day but spend 5 minutes in
>>>the Word.  I think Mark brings up a very good point.
> 
>>What about when Christ spent most of his time PRAYING.  This doesn't imply
>>to me that he spent most of his time READING scripture but rather TALKING
>>WITH God.  The same is also true of praise & wroship...  This is spending
>>time talking with God etc...
> 
> I agree, prayer is of utmost importance, as well.  Keep in mind, however,
> that it was quite possible Christ didn't spend a lot of time reading 
> Scrpture because He _knew_ it all.
> 
> 
> --
> Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
> Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
> Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2




	QUALITY is much more important than QUANTITY.  :)


						Increase the Peace!!!

								dj X
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlbrand@pb2esac.uucp (Jack Brand)
Subject: Re: music w/o rock beat
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:50:14 GMT


If one ever lacks for just the right combination of being amused and
saddened at the same time, one only need check into this newsgroup:

In article <1992Dec15.201848.10864@convex.com> barn@convex.com (Tim Barney) writes:
>This is addressed ONLY to those who share a conviction that the rock beat
>should not be used in our music. All others may hit the 'n' key, thank you.

It *is* easier to just have to worry about listening to those who
already agree with you, isn't it?

>I am convinced that as a Christian  I need to rid my life and my home from
>worldly music and it's equally important to fill it with GODly music.
>Summary of music without "rock beat" - my last post.
>This is the way we must all be - seeking Truth, convictions,
>personally from God. 
>Those who have this conviction from God need to obey it. I will not
>defend it to others.

Well, I am least glad to see you won't be attempting the impossible:
defending this torturous interpretation of theology and music to those who
aren't already in your camp.  

It might be interesting to hear the scriptural references to "rock
beats".  Or was this something you got "personally from God."?

I would hate to feel as though my convictions were so fragile that
I would need to A) declare an unwillingness to defend my positions
to any opposition, and B) insulate myself into a cocoon of only the
"right" kind of music.  

What exactly is passing for a strong faith these days - I must be out of touch?

jb
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: I'm gone.....
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:24 CST
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!) writes...
>>Oh, btw...........buy Global Wave System _Life Equals Death_
>>Blonde Vinyl Records ----- 01/92
> 
>Wow, Terry!  Thanks for plugging our album.  (Actually, it's January of 1993,
>but that's OK.)  I guess this board is just going to have to live with some
>obnoxious behaviour from me for the next couple of months, becuase I need to
>promote the globalWAVEsystem album.  Did we say it was called _life equals
>death_, and would be coming out on Blonde Vinyl Records in January?  But hey.

oops....I sorta lose track of time sometimes occasionally for awhile. 
By the way, I don't recall whether or not you mentioned that there is a 

g    l    o    b    a    l    W    A    V    E    s    y    s    t    e    m 

release coming out in 

         1                  9                  9                  3

that is called 

l    i    f    e      e    q    u    a    l    s       d    e    a    t    h

which is on

B   l   o   n   d   e      V   i   n   y   l       R   e   c   o   r   d   s

If you didn't, then you might want to go ahead and do it.

>As a fool returns to his folly, so does The Fool return to the net.

Hopefully I will be returning to the net...but right now it is time for me to
make a trip to that most-modernized city of Brady, Texas, my hometown. I shall
be away (hopefully...I need to be :) from the computers until next semester.
So, y'all have fun in my absence...but not too much.

Oh, and if you are going to be in San Antonio this weekend (Saturday...uh...
the 19th?) then come and check out the Prodigal Sons and Situation Taboo. They
are playing at the Cameo Theatre at around 9pm. Cost is probably $5 or $6. If
you go, then you'll see me there...I suppose.

until next time........

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From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Need music recommendations
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:48:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu


In article <1992Dec16.211911.7387@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
|> 
|> Hello and happy holidays.  I need some recommendations on music to give
|> to a good friend of mine.  She is not a Christian, but is experiencing a
|> spiritual rebirth.  I'd like to help her on her journey by exposing her
|> to some good quality Christian music.  Her favorite style of music is
|> what I would call dance music.  I have no idea how to classify it better

Have you thought of Amy Grant's Heart in Motion?  A few songs might be considered
popular dance music (e.g. Baby, Baby; forgive me if my determination of what is
dance music doesn't follow yours).  Many songs have a great message that is
not overtly Christian, but may be the bridge you are looking for.


|> Please don't flame me for 
|> saying that I can't stand the stuff because I'm not accusing anyone of
|> being an artist or not being an artist or anything like that.  

Do people get flamed in this newsgroup :)


|> Also, I'd very much appreciate your prayers in this situation.  My friend's
|> name is Sherry.  She's a 26 y.o. white heterosexual female with AIDS (I
|> included this because this group is supposed to be relatively immune to
|> the disease, but it's not).  I won't go into the whole history of how she
|> got it, but it is a very sad story, as all stories about terminal illnesses
|> are.  She and I talk a lot about God, so I'd like for y'all to pray for
|> the Holy Spirit to speak through me on such occassions.

You got it.  She's lucky to have a friend like you.



-- 
+---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Kim Daugherty                   | PhD program in Computer Science   |
| kimd@gizmo.usc.edu              | University of Southern California |
+---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:52:32 GMT

In article <1gii6sINN5l7@coral.bucknell.edu>, whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept) writes:
>Hi Everybody,
>
>	I jsut wanted to bring up a topic that was of interest to me and
>see what everyone else thought.  I am (as I write) listening to Andrew
>Lloyd Weber's Jesus Christ Superstar, the rock opera.  I started listening to
>it before I became a Christian 14 months ago, and I have gotten to love
>the music.
>	The lyrics,however, I don't think are completely accurate.  Tim Rice, who I think was the gut who wrote the lyrics, took some liberties with scripture
>and so I don't think that it is completely edifying to God.
>	However, when I saw the musical performed at a church, it was done very
>well, and I saw the message of Christ's resurrection touch many people.
>
>	My question is this:  Is it wrong to listen to this musical, even if
>it can touch people?  Is the musical wrong?  
>
>Any thoughts would be appreciated, over the net, or to me personally.


	I don't think it's wrong to listen to the musical, unless you find 
it leading your thoughts and heart in the wrong direction.  For instance,
even though I am a Christian, I enjoy the musical talents of Slaughter, because
the music is upbeat and happy, and the subject matter is fairly superficial.  
On the other hand, I also think that White Lion is a very talented band, but I 
cannot allow myself to listen to them, because they depress me.
	Do you watch movies?  I don't know anybody that doesn't watch movies on
a regular basis, yet at the same time, you would be hard-pressed to find a
movie lacking new-age teachings, foul language, and sexual immorality.  As long
as you can identify this sort of thing as Satan's lies, and don't start 
replacing the truth of Jesus Christ with the "truth" of the world, you
should be okay.
	Above all, DO your daily devotions (Bible reading AND prayer), and draw
near to God every day.  If something goes haywire in your life, He'll make you
conscious of your sin.  It will probably feel something like getting tripped
face-first into a mud-puddle, but He will always be there to pick you up in the
end.
	Good luck with your dilemma, and God bless you.  Let me know how it
turns out! ;-)


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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:47:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Music for radio station
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:

> In article <1gj13dINNgbb@coral.bucknell.edu> whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (Christopher Whelan) writes:
> >isn't that a surprise!).  Do any of you know how we can go about writing to
> >Christian record labels asking for promotional copies of CCM and progressive/
> >industrial Christian music for our radio station.
> 
> 
> second hand info --->
> 
> 	try writing to publishing co's on station letterhead.

Another option is to check with a local Christian bookstore and see if they
would consider donating CD's to be aired. Since they stand to gain from the 
exposure, they might do it -- particularly if you regularly acknowledge their
contribution.

I know the local station gets much of their library from a local bookstore
chain...

Bob (though I wish it wasn't mostly fluffy stuff) Miller