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Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 12:02:28 EST
From: Wiccan <RKKISTLE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Diamond Speedstar synch problems

To keep my monitor in synch, I have to have the "vmode monitor"
command in the autoexec.bat file that is run every time I
open a DOS window.  This is only for hi res graphics modes.
I have run SVGA ON from a full screen DOS session with the card
set up properly.  Is this normal?

Also, very few of the hi res video drivers work.  Same problem,
the screen is not in synch.  This includes the drivers included
with the service pack.  The Generic 800x600x16 drivers do work
(and quite well, I might add).

My monitor can only synch at 72hz in 800x600 modes, and I suspect
that everything is defaulting to 60hz.  Am I doing something
wrong, or is this just a limitation?

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: civben@utrcu1.civ.utwente.nl (Ben Helthuis)
Subject: QIC80 tapestreamer software available?
Keywords: QIC80 OS/2 tapestreamer
Organization: University of Twente
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:39:40 GMT


Hello Netlanders,

I yust bought an IOMEGA 250 tapestreamer (nice small stuff).
Now I am looking for some tapestreamer software to buy for OS/2.
The only software in the package is pctools' 'pcbackup' .   This
software is not functioning very good in a DOS environment.
I hope someone can mention a software package for OS/2.
						Regards Ben.


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: OS2LDR & SVGA & TRIDENT 9000 problem!!!
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:51:38 GMT

engelbert.jgm.torremans (etorrem@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
: Hello All, (and especially Trident support people)
: 
: I don't know what Trident is doing, but the support for their
: Display cards is not improving.

[stuff deleted]

I'm not trying to start a flame war -- I just feel the need to disagree
with you.  I now have 32 bit drivers for my Trident 8900C, and I'm quite
happy about it.

You may be having difficulties with them regarding your card, but their
are a lot of us 8900C users that are satisfied with Trident.

I'd offer you what I've learned from my 8900C experiences, but clearly
you've already gotten plenty of that.

Best of luck...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: robertt@ims.com (Robert Todd)
Subject: Re: NT won't co-exist with OS/2?
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:36:10 GMT

I installed NT just fine with OS/2 and Boot Manager already installed. The catch I ran into is
that I have to deactivate the Boot Manager partition before doing anything with NT. My hard
drive setup is as follows:

Drive 1: (202MB)
  Partition 1: FAT Primary (201MB)  Has Windows/DOS and Windows/NT
  Partition 2: Boot Manager

Drive 2: (202MB)
  Partition 1: FAT/HPFS Extended Logical Partition (140MB)
  Partition 2: HPFS Primary (62 MB) Has OS/2

I had this setup with Windows/DOS and OS/2 before I installed NT. I had boot manager active and
could select in either OS/2 or DOS. To install NT, I made DOS the active partition and ended up
with NT's Flexboot having me select between DOS or NT. To use OS/2 I have to fdisk from DOS to
make boot manager active. What does NOT work is to use boot manager to then get to flex boot on
the drive1/partition1. When I need to switch out of OS/2, I use fdiskpm to make
drive1/partition1 active (disabling boot manager), thus will boot into flexboot. In summary,
having boot manager installed did not cause me a problem, having it the active partition did.
This situation is not optimal, but does work without having to resort to any floppy boots. By
the way, I did this with the October NT release.
--
Robert Todd (rtodd@ims.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:03:53 GMT

In article <8163@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
}In article <BzDMF3.4F9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
}>[Gets trap 2's, asserts that problem must be software].

}Humor us. Try replacing your RAM with a set from a different system,
}preferably one known to run OS/2 with no problems.

}Al is not the only one who has seen TRAP 0002s be memory problems. That goes
}for everyone here, including IBM. OS/2 is known to be a torture test for
}memory. Other programs, including what were thought to be heavy-duty
}diagnostics, have been known to run properly on systems where OS/2 had TRAP
}0002s which were cured by replacing RAM.

Does anybody know what it is that makes OS/2 "a torture test" for memory?
I know about fancy pattern tests and the like for memory, I used to write
things like that, but not lately.  I don't have any kind of diagnostic 
other than what's in the ROM on my Gateway 2000 and that always passes.
I also know that multitasking can challenge what seemed to be a solid
memory system under MSDOS, but I've run Unix on this system without
memory traps (Windows, too, but maybe that doesn't count :-)).

Anyway, I experienced occasional trap 2's (usually with Telix), but my
system has C&T chipset, so one day I was poking around the XCMOS settings
and changed the memory interleave from 2-way to 4-way.  Trap 2 has now
stopped (knock on wood).

Larry
-- 
Larry A. Shurr (las@cbnmva.att.com) speaking only for myself.
Norman, listen carefully.  I am lying.  Are you sure your circuits are
registering?  Your ears are green.  Logic is a little bird singing in a
meadow.  Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad! - Mr. Spock
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Text Screen Editor?
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:49:32 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <enk2.28.724284667@po.cwru.edu> enk2@po.cwru.edu (Erik Kovach) writes:
>Does there exist an OS/2 text screen editor (for use when booting off of
>floppies).  I would like to run HPFS, but if it dies, I want to look at
>some files with an editor.  Any suggestions?

There are several.  In particular, take a look at TinyEdit and TEDP,
both available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  Check the
main index file /pub/os2/00Index for location.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash)
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 MIDI drivers for MPU 401?
Keywords: OS/2 MPU-401
Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, Colorado
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:56:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.150524.11859@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:
>
>>I also wonder what Creative Labs has done here.  They have
>>SoundBlaster MMPM/2 drivers now which support at least sound and
>>CD-ROM.  I wonder about the MIDI support.
>
>Right.  And don't forget that the 'official' mmpm/2 announcement *does* mention
>midi, but not what *kind*, ie what 'standard'.  Frustrating.  Below excerpts
>are from summer post.  Gess runs the mmos2 list which I subscribe to.  He may
>know more.  Also Scott Swix may know more.

I just installed the Creative Labs Soundblaster driver package MMPM/2 drivers
here and it seems to work fine playing midi files. I say "seems" since I
don't actually have a midi device attached so I can't hear it play, but the
applet opens the midi device without error and appears to pump data its way.
(at one point I had the card configuration screwed up and the applect refused
to open the midi device. Since it doesn't complain _now_, I'm assuming the
midi port is being recognized correctly).

I'm planning on plugging my Korg M3R into it this weekend to make sure I'm
actually gettings notes out.

-- 
Paul Bash                                                   Techware Design 
bash@tware.com                                              Boulder, CO  U.S.A.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Multimedia Support for Tandy Sensation!?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:26:14 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.053913.23662@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>I just got (tonight) a Tandy Sensation! multimedia machine and I'm
>>wondering whether os/2 and the IBM multimedia support will run on it.

>Can you describe the system, component by component?

25 MHz 486sx (upgradable with overdrive)
4 meg ram (upgradable to 32 meg)
24 bit video (video memory is 512k, upgreadable to 1 meg)
107 meg ide disk (2nd ide disk not possible as far as I can tell)
cdrom drive
2400 baud modem, 4800 baud fax (send only as far as I can tell)
3 expansion slots
midi, digital audio (16 bit) with voice synthesis
LOTS of software (the main reason I bought this unit instead of some
other)
DTMF decoder built in

That's all I can thin of at the moment.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
The Columbia River is now the most radioactive river in the world.

This environmental/nuclear nightmare, one of a series, brought to you
courtesy of General ("We Bring Good Things to Life") Electric.
From: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Tseng ET4000 w/ CSD Problems
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:39:12 GMT
Reply-To: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

Please excuse me if these topics have been discussed, but due some hardware
problems I am just getting around to installing the CSD. Here is the problem.
I installed the CSD over my 2.0 GA (no beta or anything) and it never asked
about a video card, so I assumed it found and installed the correct drivers
for my Tseng ET4000 based video card (1 meg Perfectview). I was running beta
Tseng drivers with GA and they seemed to work fine. After I installed the
CSD, they look pretty good until I display an object that has the little
tabs that you can select different pages. Like when you install a new program
you click on the little tabs on the right of a book to select the different
pages to configure it correct, selecting things such as the DOS settings. 
Everything else is just fine, just the tabs are displayed as garbage. You can
still click on them if you guess what they do.

Any idea what this problem is and how I might fix it? Since I have been 
away from this newsgroup from a few months, I might have missed a fix. Please
point me in the right direction. Thanks.

-- 
Guy W. Kendall - Applications Engineer            Guy.Kendall@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronic Products Division               Voice: 719-596-5795 x465
1635 Aeroplaza Drive                                  Fax: 719-570-6045
Colorado Springs, CO 80916                            BBS: 719-596-1649
From: mikel@kdrealm.linet.org (Mikel Beck)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 32-bit Trident drivers hang my system as well !
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:26:36 GMT
Organization: King Diamond's Realm

roland@vnet.ibm.com writes in article <19921214.011656.54@almaden.ibm.com>:

>   1. In a pure DOS session -
>      Copyied over the new SVGA.EXE and ran SVGA ON DOS. Why did this create
>      SVGADATA.PMI for an IBMSVGA Chipset ? After several attempts at mucking
>      around with this a SVGADATA.DOS was created for a Trident 8900. This was
>      about 21200 bytes. What I did to produce this, heaven knows ! Is this
>      correct ? Anyway this was renamed as SVGADATA.PMI in D:\OS2 directory.

        I think that the "SVGA ON DOS" command prompts SVGA to produce a
        SVGADATA.DOS file instead of SVGADATA.PMI. I seem to remember the
        documentation ( for the 32-bit drivers ) saying that you should
        copy this ( SVGADATA.DOS ) over the SVGADATA.PMI file.

>   2. Copied over IBMVGA32.DLL, BVHSVGA.DLL, fonts and the 600x480x256 driver
>      as IBMDEV32.DLL. I did not copy the VSVGA.SYS file.
>   3. Ensured CONFIG.SYS settings were OK for SVGA.
>   4. Rebooted. Machine hung with blank screen, cursor flashing top LH corner.
> This is all I have ever managed to get. What am I doing wrong ?

        Have you installed any video drivers since you've applied the
        CSD? If so, you need the DISPLAY.DLL from the CSD in your \OS2
        directory.

        I installed the 32-bit drivers when I had a Trident 8900c ( with
        1 MB of RAM ) in my machine. It hung the first time, then I re-applied
        the CSD and re-installed the 32-bit drivers. Then it came up without
        a problem.

+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
+   Mikel Beck                               King Diamond's Realm     +
+   King Diamond's Realm             Coram, Long Island, New York     +
+        "Waiting on the other Shore, for Charon to arrive..."        +
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
From: gershon@husc10.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM won't accept Internet problem reports any more
Keywords: IBM problem report compuserve cis
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:33:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.gershon.724372412

rbotimer@max.ct.gmr.com (R Douglas Botimer) writes:

>CompuServe is on Internet. Don't have the details here, but you can send mail
>to CompuServe subscribers via Internet (without having an account yourself).
>I'll post the detail as soon as I find them.

>Doug

The format for sending mail to CI$ is xxxxx.xxxx@compuserve.com where
xxxxx.xxxx is the compuserve user number for the recipient. (I think
this works)
                                            --Ethan Gershon
                                              gershon@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: EISA/MCA *or* Local Bus? Which is better for multitasking?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:06:07 GMT

In <1992Dec17.231538.29868@blkbox> rbarnett@blkbox (Rick Barnett) writes:

>goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:


>>Hello.

>>I am curious as to which is better for OS/2, EISA/MCA or VL-Bus.(Vesa Local Bus)

>>Here is my setup:
>>single user on a stand alone pc.

>>that's pretty much it.

>>I will be running lotsa programs..games, word processors, Pascal, Mathcad,
>>whatever else.

>>Anyways, I would like to know which would offer better performance.

>EISA is 32 bits wide with bus mastering but only runs at 8 MHz.  Video and
>hard disk controller cards are few and expensive.

8.33 MHz vice 8 MHz.

>VESA is 32 bits wide with bus mastering and runs at CPU speed (up to 50 MHz).
>A fair number of manufacturers have announced or already produce VL-Bus cards,
>and the prices aren't much higher than the ISA versions of the same
>cards.

Usually only 40 MHz on most systems.  There are restrictions on how
many VL devices you can have if you try to go faster than that.

>>Also, does it even matter?  (ie-if EISA/MCA is much better, will it matter?
>>will I ever make full use of Local Bus, or vice versa?)
>>I plan on having a scsi-2 hard drive and a scsi cd rom.

>I have seen specs on two VL-Bus SCSI controllers, with data transfer rates
>up to 66 MBytes per second - since SCSI-2 maximum is 10 MB/sec, you can hang
>a few drives on it without saturating the I/O channel.

EISA will transfer 33 MB/s.  Somehow I don't see this difference being
germane insofar as SCSI devices go, since you can't get EFFECTIVELY
more than 10 MB/s down the SCSI chain anyway (only one drive can talk
to the controller at a time - the higher figures are BURST rates).
The difference is that while your VL controller is doing its transfer,
everybody else on the VL bus has to stop.  This isn't true for EISA.



-- 
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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Minitab locks up VDM
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:00:30 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand


HELP!!

I have a user here who needs to run Minitab rel 8 on a 486DX 33Mhz in a DOS
VDM, of some sort (Specific version native etc), but the damn thing crashes
OS/2 (Actually it just locks it up, and the keyboard stops working).

The mouse is still tracking across the screen, but nothing else happens. Not
even CTRL-ALT-DEL. :( Needless to say he is fairly upset at this, and wants
it to work.

ANyone out there using Minitab under OS/2? (He also has a copy of Minitab 
extended edition coming. Will this work?)

Oh yeah. The exact sequence of commands entered was

read c1 c2
1 2
3 4
end
copy c1-c4;
use c1 1
.


And then it locks up. Tighter than a drum, after the full stop. I have tried
changing settings, and things, but to no avail. Has anyone got minitab working
properly on their machine?

TIA.

-- 
+------------------+  Hamish Marson, Computer Science, University of Waikato
| HAPPY OS/2 USER! |  hamish@waikato.ac.nz.  Fax +64 7 8384066
+------------------+  Disclaimer:  Remember, you heard it here first!
		  
If at first you don't succeed, transform your data set.
From: ifox@wam.umd.edu (Ira "Isa" Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Creative Labs CD-ROM
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:11:29 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


  Hello fellow os/2er's and cder's,

    I want to thank everybody for helping me with the information on
getting creative labs SBP CDROM to work under os/2.

      It turns out, when I boot os2 the computer would stop on the 
 sbpcd2.sys cdrom driver and not con't.  
       Solution:  change the irq on my sbp from irq5 to irq10 and everything
is rosey.    

    It's great I don't have to use Micro shafts mscdex.exe any more.. which
means no dos50.img.   
                        Anyway thanks again!
                               - Ira
                             ifox@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Misc OS/2 questions (especially CSD installation)
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:19:00 GMT

Timothy F. Sipples (sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote:

> Say, for example, you format such a diskette to 1.76MB.  Then you
> decide to give it to a friend who has a machine running DOS, without
> FDREAD.  The diskette is unreadable.  Now, unless you're a "rocket
> scientist" (meaning that if you read this newsgroup you qualify),
> you're going to get extremely frustrated because you can't exchange
> diskettes with another user.  (There's enough trouble with people
> trying to read high density floppies in double density drives --
> that's confusing enough.  Add a few more nonstandard formats and
> you're really going to get people confused.)

It was fine in the good old days when 1.2's were new and nobody could read
my high density disks. There was one machine where I copied everything back
to 360K before I gave it out.
There are people using flopticals that I can't read and 2.88MB drives etc
etc. If I label my disks adequately I could increase my bulk offline
storage by 20% which is quite valuable.

> If they do add it to the standard format command, though, make it
> undocumented and somewhat convoluted.  Say, add the parameter /NS (for
> nonstandard) if you're going to create diskettes with /N:20 and /T:82.

Just the ability to say /T:82 and not have the thing respond that my
hardware doesn't support it (which it does) would be nice. It's 'obscure'
enough that the user who doesn't understand the concept probably won't end
up playing with those options. The code seems to be there already but it's
overly protective.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: mendels1@husc4.harvard.edu (Andrew Mendelsohn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: trident and SP probs
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.152329.18408
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I find the new unofficial trident drivers quite nice, but i have one 
problem: the desktop undergoes a shift in color when I open a seamless
window application or when using pmfract.  Any suggestions?
   I have had a few problems since the service pack.  Some communications
programs occasionally hang the machine (which can only be fixed by turning
off the modem--this immediately restores full control to the mouse, 
keyboard, and screen).  Is this due to some quirk in my using 16550 uarts.
NOte that this only happens with OS/2 comm programs and that I have not 
added any special lines since installing the 16550 UARTs.
   The second problem is with the WPS.  It occasionally refuses to keep 
all the info about a program, the worst being loss of the programs name,  
it may be correlated with nearly filled FAT disks, because I was able to 
prevent the problem with at least one program by moving its executables to 
an HPFS volume.
   thanks for any help.
andy mendelsohn
mendels1@husc4.harvard.edu
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: The Radius XGA-2 Graphics Card
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:46:58 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin) writes:
>Well...I talked to Radius today, 7 December and the board won't be out until
>late January.  Suggested retail price is $499 (currently, but evidently
>they've taken some flak over this...call them and tell them your opinion
>the number is 800-5RADIUS).

Well, this is presumably list price, hence it should be street priced
at $250-300, as was predicted earlier by rumour. If it goes for about
this price, it should be a strong alternative to the ATI cards. And 
if sales pick up, the price will be down, in the usual way of things,
as time goes by. If, on the other hand, it goes for no less than
$500, then it will be a relatively slow seller. The card break-point
for the mass-market seems to be ~$300. Much more than this, and sales
will drop drastically. 


-- 
Tom Hatton
hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
(415)-476-7986
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: New Trident 32-bit Drivers: For Others?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:25:19 GMT

I'm very curious about something, and I wonder if someone out there
would like to try it.

Those new Trident 32-bit drivers (available via anonymous ftp from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu), which look to me like "leaked" code (since the
drivers aren't available from the Trident BBS) look awfully like the
so-called "generic" SuperVGA drivers (especially if you read the
documentation accompanying the seamless Windows materials.

Has anyone tried these with, say, Tseng 4000 adapters (not that
exciting, granted, with the Service Pak drivers out now), Video
7/Headland VRAM, Paradise, or ATI (i.e. the ones supported by
BVHSVGA.DLL)?

For the record, the new drivers (640x480 256 colors, specifically) do
not appear to work with my Trident 8900C 512K adapter.  (The SVGA ON
DOS step generates very limited information on the modes available --
it doesn't list any 256 color modes, for example.  It probably thinks
I have a 256K adapter.)

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