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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: 24-Hour Warp
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 20:02:27 GMT

In article <abick.725654327@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>In <1992Dec29.163343.356@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>I am not about to try starting a new game at my level of inexperience but
>>would certainly be more than willing to join a game with 24 or 36 hour
>>deadlines and a _short_ grace period, no longer than 24 hours.  I would
>>prefer to play standard or standard gunboat.  
>
>Me too.
>
>>Anyone else want to start a warp game?  
>
>I'd gladly join. (Though, making it a gunboat game would have little
>meaing since we would now know 2 of the players. And so would anyone else
>reading this!)

Ah, but they wouldn't know WHICH powers we were.

>>I understand that no new games can
>>be started on the Washington judge, that there are many games on the
>>Washington judge in need of players (but these are games with a week
>>between turns, apparently), but don't know what the policy is on the EFF
>>judge. 
>
>As far as I know, anyone can make a game but there has to be a Master
>running. This seems to be a small problem since people want to PLAY games
>and not run them. I have being doing "list full" almost everyday checking
>for new games but the only ones starting have no Masters and are destroyed
>before they even get started.

>I still support the idea of No Master = No game but wish that some Masters
>would post addresses so players can ask them to Master their games. How
>does that sound to everyone (especially would-be Masters)?

I sure wish someone would start some warp games.  I'm really angsting
today.  I did list fulls on both judges to see what was out there for me
to play in.  Someone was advertising that a game, wasp on the Washington
judge, had had four powers go CD.  Thinking I would not only be doing the
other players a service by taking up one of the powers that had gone CD
and carrying it on, but also that I'd get to get into a game, I joined and
thought "well, here we go."  Two other people joined and that left Russia,
with two units left, as the only CD power.

*Then* an observer and one of the original players started saying that the
three of us who came in should let our powers go CD and let the original
players back in (assuming they ever come back).  

Ack.  Now I'm being mean and nasty for having done what I did.  I just
wanted to play and can't find any games that look promising unless I'm
willing to step in and swipe someone's power out from under them.

Please, someone, start a warp standard game or two and let us all know. 
I'm dying to play but am beginning to wonder if I'll ever get to see the
results of a set of orders I personally issued.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:49:29 GMT
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Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <6928@sniff.wfo.dec.com> jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore) writes:
>In article <16041@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu> ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
>                                   .
>>The use of powerbait has always left a bad taste in my mouth anyway.  I 
>
>    Uh John - It's supposed to be used as a fish bait - NOT a sandwich
>    spread!

Ah, but it could be.  Imagination can be a great asset when trying to 
fool a fish.  Many people have talked about using "dough balls" for fishing
for carp.  Spread a little powerbait on the bread first and who knows.

Sort of reminds me of the old SNL skit.

"MMMmmmm...this tastes good.......

Fish On!"

and to all the readers of rec.outdoors.fishing.

Hope you all have a fine Christmas season and many tight lines in the new year.

Is anyone getting a fishing license for Christmas?
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From: rich@devnet.la.locus.com (Rich Silva)
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Reply-To: rich@locus.com
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:02:45 GMT

In article <8047@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu> ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
|> >With the recent fly pattern descriptions posted on the net I was wondering
|> >if anyone had a pattern for a power bait fly. Power bait sure seems like
|> >a hot item.  :-)

    I got a chance to spend a lot of time in the Northeast this year, so
    I thought I'd check out the Orvis and L. L. Bean stores since they
    were so famous... 

    While at L. L. Bean, they were in the midst of their 80th anniversary
    celibration (I think it was 80? Anyway...).  Part of the celibration
    was that they had demos for everything... Fly Tying, Rod wrapping...
    Catch and Release (if you havent been there, but have the chance...
    L.L Bean has a trout pond inside the store... Stocked with some
    nice Brown Trout... (That was actually the really nice thing about
    checking out some of the "famous" stores in the NE.  Out here
    in the West, when you go to a fishing store, you "might" get to
    try out a rod and/or reel, probably in the parking lot, or street...
    Back east, you got to try the rod/reel in a pond or stream, and
    actually had a decent chance of catching something!)

    I was watching the fly tying demo, since I'm about to try tying
    some of my own... The guy was very hurredly tying up this Buck hair
    fly... Not knowing anything at the time about fly tying, I didnt
    figure that this great bunch of hair the guy was wrapping was
    out of the ordinary, I figured he would eventually get around
    to trimming all of it off, and end up with some magically insect
    looking thing.... So I kept watching....  Finally, he had this
    aweful looking thing... He got out his trusty scissors and trimmed
    away.  When he was done, I was finally confused.  He had two or
    three "flies" that were just "lumps" of brown.  He was in a hurry
    and I was the only watcher, so he didnt say what they were.  I shrugged
    my shoulders, and went on shopping and looking around...  A few
    minutes later, I heard over the speaker about the "Catch and Release"
    demo at the pond... So I wandered over...  Here is the "fly tyer",
    now all suited up for wading...  With his "Pellet Fly" his
    fly looked just like the food pellets they fed the captive trout
    with!  I just started laughing, he recognized me, and we both
    had a good chuckle...

    So, I wouldnt doubt that someone has tied a "Power bait" fly...

    The question I ask is what material they used to simulate the other
    two hooks from the "gold treble" hook...

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From: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: More about flyfishing in England
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Reply-To: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:36:48 GMT


OK. Nobody actually asked, bu I do have the incomplete title of the
book I couldn't remember yesterday, another book about stillwater
fly fishing and finally, a tidbit of history on English stillwater
flyfishing.


    "the classic guide to FLYFISHING for trout" by Charles Jardine,
    Random House, New York

	a very nice beautifully illustrated book, including techniques for
	fishing in british reservoirs, lochs, and incidentally chalk streams.
	Also features fishing on western US freestones, eastern limestones,
	Austrian fishing, thousands of beautifully photographed flies and more.

	In actual practice, I use this book to see what a fly actually looks like
	after I've read about is somewhere else. Otherwise it is mostly a nice
	coffee table book.



Oh dear, I've forgotten the exact title of the other one, but it is a lot like

    "Stillwater dry fly fishing" Definitely by Roger Fogg,
    A & C Black, London, 1985.



And the history:

	Way back (this is date-free history) when the Brits were installing
	reservoirs, they decided also to install trout as a way to check up
	on water purity and keep insects under control. Then, some enterprising
	water authority official thought "we could make a profit on these
	trout and I could go fishing after work". So, they allowed fishing
	on these reservoirs for a reasonable daily fee. At first this fishing
	was open to spinning and bait-fishing as well as to fly-fishing, but
	eventually the spinners and baiters were banned.

	An interesting feature of the day ticket system is that should you
	catch a limit (catch and kill is mandatory), you may, if you wish,
	buy another day ticket and continue fishing. A limit is usually
	4 fish. The average english flyfisher out on a stillwater day trip
	catches 0.7 trout, so this doesn't happen a lot in practice, but
	Brian Clarke intimates that if you fish the way he does (more imitiation,
	less attraction), an occasional limit or even double limit will be
	possible.

	Apparently, sneaking up on trout, checking stomach contents, matching
	the hatch and so on are viewed as the province of the chalkstream
	elite, and stillwater fishers feel a little selfconscious using anything
	other than traditional chuck and chance it methods with attractors
	(in british, these are known as lures).




I don't have my '93 license yet. I feel so insecure. Probably won't be able
to fishing today and finish out the season either. I managed to spend a day
at a local freestone (the black river) during a sleet storm, and had a nice
time wading around and checking out the scenery, but I think the fish are
all in Bermuda on the beaches getting tans. I didn't even see a minnow.


John Danskin			|
(609) 258-5386			|
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:10:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <8860@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> chip@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>
| >How
|>about pinching on a small ball of red powerbait in front of you're leech,
|>wooley worm, or even baitfish (muddler minnow?) imitations?  Seems like
|>it would work.
|
|
|John, have you thought of using the little "power grubs" and the abdomen on a
| caddis pupae. 

Sounds like another killer crossover bait/artificial pattern.

| Dub on a little black beaver for the thorax and I'll bet  it's a real killer.
| NO FOLKS I DON'T THINK WE'VE SERIOUS, OR ARE WE.

Of course we are?  Why, even Flyfishing magazine suggests using a small piece
of old pantyhose to create an instant add-on trailing shuck for mayfly emergers.

Who else but a fisherman would create a crankbait bass lure that looks just
like a tiny budweiser can.  (No, I'm not kidding.)

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From: Quentin Groom <Quentin_Groom@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Oxnard fishing
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I'm likely to be going to Oxnard in southern California in mid
February. I wondered whether there were any fishing opportunities
there at that time of year? Coming from the mid west I have little
experience of ocean fishing but would like to try it. What kind of
equipment might I need? As far as I can make out from the map there
is no fresh water fishing in the area. Am I right?
From: jmm13@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph M. Mc Clain)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:30:44 GMT
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Another twist on Powerbait usage: 
I replace trebles on in-line spinners (Mepps, etc.) with 
spring-shanked trebles like you use to hold dough baits for carp
etc. The spring lets you pack the bait in and it stays on.
The only trouble is finding spring trebles small enough to
use without ruining the action. I am experimenting with
adapting other types of artificials for Powerbait enhancement.
-- 
joe in joeland
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Subject: Re: Powerbait
From: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 30 Dec 1992 00:59:29 GMT
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In article <16098@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>Why, even Flyfishing magazine suggests using a small piece
>of old pantyhose to create an instant add-on trailing shuck for mayfly emergers.
>


Pantyhose can also be worn on the hand like a glove to pick up trout instead of 
using a net. I've seen it done !!!!
From: markh@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mark Hurwitz)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: N. Cal. steelheading
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:24:51 GMT
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	To the poster who wanted info on steelheading in N. California...
Last week's SF Chronicle fishing report mentioned fish in the Russian R.
on the downstream side from Guerneville.  I was considering a trip up there
this week but a major storm has moved in so things are likely to be unfishable
for quite some time.  As usual, the more northerly rivers (Eel, Smith, Klamath)
were favored over the Russian.  Nothing was mentioned about the Gualala, but
it's sufficiently small that it only rarely appears in the fishing reports.

	Wish I could offer you a first-hand account, sigh...

-Mark
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: ICE...Greenhouse Effect
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 10:56:56 EST
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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When I was considerably younger, we 'ice fished' from slightly before
christmas until the end of March.  In the last ten years, only one time
has the ice been safe around christmas, and it is ALWAYS gone by the end
of February (Michigan, Ann Arbor-Detroit Area).  In addition, golf
courses used to close from October until April, now, they charge into
November, and reopen in March.
Skiing, snow, cold etc...descreased substantially the last decade.
This is one of the best measures of the greenhouse effect I know.  While
all the politicians (and Scientists) argue over whether the greenhouse
effect is real, any outdoorsman worth their salt knows the real answer.
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
From: mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Unusual Flies (Was: How to tie power bait fly?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:10:34 GMT
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Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company, Portland Oregon.
Originator: mos@cetus


A few years ago I read a sidebar in a fishing magazine on "Purina (or Pellet)
flies.  There are several variations.  The best (easiest to tie) was a #12
hook wrapped with dubbed grey squirrel fur.

The most unusual yet successful fly I have tried was taught to me by a
old fishing buddy-Alan McCartney (Hi Alan).  It is the Metolius River
Popcorn Fly.  Some background.

On the Metolius River here in Orygun there is a stretch on either side
of the Camp Sherman Bridge which is closed to all fishing.  Of course,
some of the biggest, hungriest, most beautiful redsides live there.  A
redside is the local name for rainbows.  There is an overlook upstream
from the bridge and in the summer the tourists feed the fish.  Fifty cents
will get you a handfull from a pellet dispenser, but pellets are not what 
the fish like best.  Popcorn from the Camp Sherman store is their favorite.
At one time the store owners had a sign on the popcorn machine "Not for human 
consumption".  They took it down for fear the humor challenged would not 
allow their children to enjoy it.  Anyway the popcorn brings out the big guys
from under the bridge and they feed on the surface-in all a good show.

Now we fly fishermen sit down stream aways and try to catch the smaller
fish-aren't all fish in legal waters smaller than their cousins in closed
waters?  The popcorn, now soggy, floats down stream and the trout LOUDLY
slurp it off the surface right where we have just finished presenting
a perfect orange humpy which looks exactly like the stonefly who landed
on the rock next us.  

As you can no doubt guess, Alan-as good a fly tyer as I have ever met-
developed the Popcorn Fly in answer to this.  It matches the hatch perfectly.

The receipe as I now tie it is a #10 hook with some bushy yellow soft hen
hackle at the tail  a double wrap of cream chenille for the body and some 
more yellow hackle at the head.  I keep a few with me for a quick change 
should a "hatch" occur.

Tight Lines
Mark O'Shea
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:16:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu> ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
>With the recent fly pattern descriptions posted on the net I was wondering
>if anyone had a pattern for a power bait fly. Power bait sure seems like
>a hot item.  :-)
>							   _________________


	Maybe not a fly, but I did see an article in "Salmon, Trout, Steelheader
	for something the author called a "power berry".  It was a glob of
	power bait wrapped in that plastic mesh stuff (spawn sacks?)  and 
	impaled on the hook.  He also suggested attaching #00 spinner blade
	to a swivel and slipping it over the barb on the hook to create a
	"power berry spinner".  I've never tried it and this is not a 
	recommendation, just info.

	Terry

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From: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: uk trout
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:42:26 GMT

It is my understanding that stillwater flyfishing for trout is accessible
to the english commoner, unlike chalk stream fishing. They purchase day tickets
for an apparently reasonable sum, and have at it. A good book on english
stillwater fly fishing is 
	"The Pursuit of Stillwater Trout" by Brian Clarke.
	Adam and Charles Black, London 1975

Another more recent book which covers all sorts of fly fishing, but emphasizes
british stillwater fishing is. Hmmm. Well anyway it has trout in the title and
the Author's last name is Jardine, and it is very recent, and very good.
There is
lots of full color coverage of british insects, british flies, and british
water and flyfishing techniques. If anybody really cares, I'll write down the
title and other info when I and the book are in the same place sometime.


John Danskin			|
(609) 258-5386			|
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:05:38 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:

> Darin Cowan writes in responding to  Powerbait
> ...(Much Deleted)
> >A vibrax beat the powerwhatevers hands down every time, as did live
> worms, and
> >real frogs.
> 
> 
> Dan:
> Where did you find live frogs??  When I was young (many,many years ago)
> my father and I used live green frogs for bass, obviously, the best bait
> ever.  I remember driving VERY EARLY to the lake we fished and often
> times we would drive over thousands of lepoard frogs crossing the highway.
> It has been many years since I have seen a live frog, let alone being
> able to purchase them at a bait dealer.
> Do you catch them in the wild??  Are they abundant in your area??  No-one
> knows exactly why frogs of all species in all parts of the world are
> disappearing (maybe cyclical, DDT, etc), and very few environmental
> scientists are studying this phenomena.

We walk out of the house, down to the creek and chase them around.  There
are hundreds...  under the canoes, behind logs, all over the place.  This is
in the Kingston/Gananoque area.  Once we get a dozen in the bucket we go
fishing.

We don't do that often because my mother-in-law hates us taking frogs for that
purpose, and I personally prefer to fish with artificial lures as opposed
to live animals, but if frogs are what's getting the fish, so be it.  


Darin Cowan - cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:51:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu> ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
|With the recent fly pattern descriptions posted on the net I was wondering
|if anyone had a pattern for a power bait fly. Power bait sure seems like
|a hot item.  :-)

Actually I posted something the other day about simulating an egg with
powerbait in front of a leech or minnow imitation pattern.  I mentioned
this to a friend of mine and he thought it might be a good idea but said
that it might be illegal in some places.  Where restriction are "artificial
lures with single barbless hooks" this in usually thought of to be flies.
Would sweetening the lure with a dab of powerbait make the lure illegal.
If powerbait isn't artificial what is it?  What *exactly* is an artificial
lure?    

The use of powerbait has always left a bad taste in my mouth anyway.  I 
always thought their slogan should be: "Powerbait...better fishing 
through chemicals"	

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From: glterr@musctn.monsanto.com
Subject: RE: ICEFISHING FOR PERCH
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:27:48 GMT

DAN,
    I CALLED TONY DEAN AND GOT SOME INFORMATION ON DEVILS LAKE IN 
NORTH DAKOTA. HE RECOMMENDED ED'S BAIT SHOP IN DEVILS LAKE. I CONTACTED
ED'S AND HE TOLD ME FOR A PORTABLE HOUSE, HEATER, AND POWER AUGAR
THE PRICE WAS $40 A DAY. HE ALSO RECOMMENDED THE LATE SEASON PERCH.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO TRY IT AROUND THE FIFTH OF MARCH.
THANKS FOR THE TIP.
GREG.                    ED' BAIT SHOP  701-662-8321

GLTERR@MUSCTN.MONSANTO.COM
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