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From: reo@access.digex.com (Rick Oakes)
Subject: Re: Metro Fares
Followup-To: dc.general
Summary: taxpayer money
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: dc
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:02:15 GMT

In article <23706@oasys.dt.navy.mil> ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy) writes:
>
>If the real goal is to cut down on traffic
>and use of gas, etc. then why do the rates on metro _DOUBLE_ during
>rush hour.  It seems to me that if the real goal is to convince people
>that they need to ride share or take metro, then it needs to be
>demonstrated that it will be less of a hassle and that it will be cost
>effective.
>
As a person who lives in one of the FIRST cities to use this fare
structure (Denver has had a higher peak hour fare since 1971), I can
tell you two benefits of this structure:

	1. Those people who HAVE to ride in rush hour (workers)
have more room, because those who make only discretionary trips
(retirees, housewives, etc.) schedule their trips for off-peak
to save money.  If not for the reduced off-peak fare, many of these
people would make no effort to avoid the rush hour, and there would
be more people to carry, leading to more crowded buses and trains.

	2.  After a while, the above crowding would lead to more
money (mostly taxes) spent to handle the crowds at rush hour, (buying
more equipment, hiring more workers), while the mid-day service would 
be almost empty.

I noticed the difference when the fare changed.  I no longer had to
give my seat to the old lady who could shop whenever she wanted, but
always waited until the rush hour to go home.  When the off-peak fare
came in, she was already home when I got off work.

It is the same principle as long-distance phone calls.  The business
calls have to be made in business hours, but if you can encourage
everyone else to call at other times (by having lower rates after
5 PM, then you don't have to install as much equipment, and the 
overall cost to everyone is reduced.

Rick Oakes
	reo!rick@scicom.alphacdc.com
From: wb2ekk@rocky.gte.com (John Pescatore)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Family Cycling
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:56:12 GMT
Organization: GTE/SCSD

I am putting together a list of good family cycling routes in the 
Baltimore/DC area, so far I have:

Rock Creek Park			C and O Canal Towpath
North Central Trail		Baltimore Annapolis Trail
Sligo Creek Park		Quite Waters Park
Mt Vernon Trail			W&OD Trail

Any one have any others? 

Thanks, John Pescatore
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Redskins Get First Win in Preseason
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:14:50 GMT
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division


The Washington Redskins staked an early 21-7 lead, and held on to win their
first game of the preseason, 27-23.
 
The Redskins defense scored the first two touchdowns on back-to-back
interceptions (33 and 25 yards) of Raider quarterback Jay Schroeder, both
by Martin Mayhew.
 
Following a Raider touchdown that cut the lead 14-7, the Redskins got their
third touchdown from the special teams when Brian Mitchell returns the
kickoff all the way to the endzone.
 
Mark Rypien would up 1-for-3 in the first half before yielding way to Cary
Conklin, while Todd Marinovich replaced Jay Schroeder in the second half.
The send half was highlighted by the play of Marinovich, Napolean McCallum,
and Nick Bell.  The Redskins were only able to manage two field goals in that
second half, while the Raiders put up two touchdowns to close the lead to
27-21.
 
Redskins running back John Settle fumbled on what would have been the series
that may have put it away for Washington.  This led to a long Raider drive,
lasting over seven minutes, bringing them to the Redskins 1 yard line with
2:00 to play in the game.  However, McCallum dropped a sure catch in the
endzone, and the Redskins took over on downs.
 
The 'Skins were not able to get a first down on that drive and on 4th and 1
with 0:14 to play, took an intentional safety.  The Raiders called for fair
catch on the free kick, but Marinovich's Hail Mary did not get answered.
 
The Redskins offense did not perform all that well, given the fact that they
were probably well rested with a two-touchdown lead.  The first-team defense
appeared to play well, forcing three interceptions of Schroeder, the last two
being the Mayhew TD returns.
 
For the Raiders, Jay Schroeder appears to be playing himself out of a job, as
his interceptions proved to be costly for his team.  Todd Marinovich went
10-for-17 on the day, and appears to be making his case for the starting job.
 
 
Bob ... they're not ready for Dallas ... nowhere close !!

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Newsgroups: dc.redskins
From: boffo@wam.umd.edu (Sharon Roseanne Millman)
Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.190951.25620@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>Hey Gang!!
>
>Let's get some traffic going in this group.  There is no better way to
>spend a few minutes a day than keeping up on the team of the 80's and 90's.
>
>The Skins are 0-3 this preseason (3 losses by a total of 4 points).  Of 
>course this is preseason and that is nothing to worry about, but how have
>the "starters" been playing when they have been in there?  Any newcomers
>looking good?

I'd be interested in hearing about some new guys too
because the only preseason game I have seen was
Sunday's as I have been away.

>How about Conklin?  Looks good to me!!!

He looked great on Sunday. Completed a good percentage of his passes.
I think he is looking like our #2 man.

>Do you think the trade of Humphries for a 4th, maybe 3rd rounder in next
>years draft was a good deal for us??  I personally believe it was, 
>especially because we got Chris Hankle from William and Mary in this 
>last draft in the 4th round.  A few years younger, a little bit better, and
>it frees up Conklin to compete for the backup role.

It definitely was a good trade. Humphries wasn't one of our finest
QB's so if needed a more than adequate replacement could be grabbed using
the draft pick we traded for. It should be a high pick too because
San Diego does not have a QB that is talented enough to lead them.

>How much is Desmond Howard worth?  (For reference, what do the following
>players make: Monk, Clark, Sanders, Rice (he is being offered 2.5 million!!),
>Tim Brown (former Heismen Winner), Irvin (the Cowpokes big gun).

I'd sign him for a one year contract like Rypien's for somewhere
around $1 million then renegotiate after the season.

>How much is Green worth?
>
>How much is Lachey worth?

I think about $1.5 million each for 3 year contracts. They are both leaders
on this team and need to be signed to long term contracts soon.
I don't think giving them $2 million would kill Jack Kent Cooke though.

>What do you think will happen to Riggs?  Settle is more like Byner in 
>build than he is like Riggs.  Do we need a big back (Riggs) for the 
>Heavy Jumbo??

I never liked Riggs and would be happy to see him go.
I think any of the 'skins backs could run back there.
A back like Riggs is not an important part of the team and should be let go.

>Looking forward to hearing your wisdom!!!
>
>Thad Crews
>Loyal Skins Fan

Dan Young
Also a loyal 'skins fan
boffo@wam.umd.edu

P.S. Is anyone out there going to the preseason game
on Aug. 29 against Minnesota?
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:12:16
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu's message of Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.190951.25620@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
=>How about Conklin?  Looks good to me!!!

I second that.  He seemed pretty sharp in Sunday's game.

=>Do you think the trade of Humphries for a 4th, maybe 3rd rounder in next
=>years draft was a good deal for us??  I personally believe it was, 
=>especially because we got Chris Hankle from William and Mary in this 
=>last draft in the 4th round.  A few years younger, a little bit better, and
=>it frees up Conklin to compete for the backup role.

Wasn't Humphries a 6th round pick?  If so, I'd say it was a good
trade.  He seemed to be going nowhere, and the Redskins would rather
have a young backup who might become the starter someday.

=>What do you think will happen to Riggs?  Settle is more like Byner in 
=>build than he is like Riggs.  Do we need a big back (Riggs) for the 
=>Heavy Jumbo??

I think they should cut Riggs.  He's getting old, and it's not worth a
roster spot just for a few extra pounds in the backfield on goal line
plays.  If you really want that weight, train a tight end to run into
the line.  John Settle and Rick(?) Green both looked good yesterday.
That would mean the Skins have 5 good RBs (Byner, Ervins, and Mitchell
as well).  Riggs isn't worth that much now, as he's getting on in
years.  They should try to trade him if possible, but cut him
otherwise (IMHO).

I was surprised to see how poorly Alvin Walton was hitting yesterday.
He missed several tackles -- hardly the player that I remember from
some years ago.

ethan
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

> I was surprised to see how poorly Alvin Walton was hitting yesterday.
> He missed several tackles -- hardly the player that I remember from
> some years ago.

Remember that the Redskins-49ers game was played on soft turf following 
some days of raining.  The playing field condition (soggy field, loose 
turf, etc.) most likely affected the performance of some individual 
players.  There was loose turf all over the field by the end of the 
game.


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From: huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann)
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:16:51 GMT

In article <23553@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In dc.redskins, minett@seismo.CSS.GOV (Debbie Minett) writes:
>>
>>In the interview he [Gary Clark] said he was ticked since now he was 
>>out the money he paid for the vehicle, lost the pathfinder and now
>>has to buy a new car!
>
>Considering how much Clark is making, I can't help but wonder why he
>didn't buy a brand new pathfinder.
>
>
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Thanks for the update... Very little Redskins news in Vike country, although
there was a blurb about how the Vikes were considering trading for Stan
Humphries if Rich Gannon wouldn't sign with them.

Anyway, about Gary Clark, I saw a piece about how JACK Clark (baseball)
is now either broke or filing for bankrupcy, even though he makes
millions... So maybe Gary is saving up his dough...?


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From: grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Journal?
Date: 22 Aug 1992 03:24:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jif.berkeley.edu

grantham@super.org (Jon Grantham) wrote:

>I'll be moving out to California next week and will be deprived of the 
>saturation coverage normally obtained from the Washington Post.  I know a
>bunch of other teams have fan magazines (eg. Dolphin Digest, Rampages), and
>I'm trying to locate one for the Skins.  I looked in the phonebook and
>found something called "Redskins News".  I called that phone # & got no
>answer.  I called the Redskins office & they gave me the number of something
>called "Redskins Journal".  Again, no answer.

>Can anybody tell me, which, if any, of these publications is active, and which,
>if any, is the one that I want?

Well, I've moved.  The answer, as requested by several people via e-mail, is...
Redskin Review

I found this out from a friend of mine who saw an ad in Dolphin Digest
(I knew Dolphin fans were useful for *something*...).

The telephone number is:
1-800-333-5588.
Happy dialing.  Join me as a subscriber.  Won't you?

Jon
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
From: jjlamastra@happy.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:51:39 MDT

In article <1992Aug17.190951.25620@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
> 
> Do you think the trade of Humphries for a 4th, maybe 3rd rounder in next
> years draft was a good deal for us??  I personally believe it was, 
> especially because we got Chris Hankle from William and Mary in this 
> last draft in the 4th round.  A few years younger, a little bit better, and
> it frees up Conklin to compete for the backup role.
> 
  Definitely worth it!!  Humphries had his chance and did not come through.

> How much is Desmond Howard worth?  (For reference, what do the following
> players make: Monk, Clark, Sanders, Rice (he is being offered 2.5 million!!),
> Tim Brown (former Heismen Winner), Irvin (the Cowpokes big gun).
> 

  Desmond better come to his senses and sign now.  When he finally does come to
camp, he will be, at best, our fourth best receiver.  I think he realizes this
and he will sign this week.

> How much is Green worth?
> 
> How much is Lachey worth?
> 

  I don't think we can repeat without these guys.  I think if Ryp gets all that
money, then the guy who protected him all season (Lachey) should also be       
compensated.

> What do you think will happen to Riggs?  Settle is more like Byner in 
> build than he is like Riggs.  Do we need a big back (Riggs) for the 
> Heavy Jumbo??
> 

  Time to let Riggs go.  He helped us a lot last year, but I think the rest of
the backs can get into the end zone just fine.

> Looking forward to hearing your wisdom!!!
> 
> Thad Crews
> Loyal Skins Fan
> 

Joe Lamastra
University of Colorado
jjlamastra@happy.uccs.edu

Die Hard Skins fan in Colorado!!!

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From: KCRUZ@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:27:51 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Finally Ryp agreed to a deal by Cooke. I was getting a bit nervous for a
while. Like he said, he would have been the one hurting if he would have
waited longer.

I'm still not sure what the contract is for. I heard this morning it was
$9 mil for 3 yrs, is that correct? It sounds like a lot of mula. He is now
the 3rd highest paid QB, behind Dan Marino and Joe Montana.

What about Gary Clark. When I first heard about his arrest, I was shocked.
But after hearing his story, I was relieved.

Kevin

"Can't wait til Dallas gets kicked in the ..."
From: minett@seismo.CSS.GOV (Debbie Minett)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:11:39 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

In article <1992Aug12.172145.28461@wam.umd.edu> huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann) writes:
>In article <92225.102751KCRUZ@auvm.american.edu> KCRUZ@auvm.american.edu writes:
>>What about Gary Clark. When I first heard about his arrest, I was shocked.
>>But after hearing his story, I was relieved.
>
>What? What's the story here? Did I miss something? (I've been in Viking
>country for the past 10 days... :()
>
>Joe

According to the news report, Gary was caught speeding on Rt 270
in Maryland going 72 (75?) in a 55 mph.  The officer noticed
that the ID number of the 92 Nissan Pathfinder he was driving
had been changed.  Turns out the pathfinder was stolen in April (?)
from a car dealership somewhere in Virginia.  Gary says he bought
it from a friend who bought it from a friend.  Gary was arrested
and released on his on recognicance (sp?) and flew to London with
the rest of the team last night but faces charges when he gets
back.  Hopefully he has proof that he paid for the pathfinder!
In the interview he said he was ticked since now he was out
the money he paid for the vehicle, lost the pathfinder and now
has to buy a new car!

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Newsgroups: dc.redskins
From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:44:13 GMT

In article <92230.112742LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>If someone told you you could buy a 1992 Nissan Pathfinder for $5000 as
>opposed to the rgular $25,000, wouldn't you?  It doesn't matter how much
>money you make, a good deal is a good deal!!!

Not if they couldn't hand over a title with it (Clark didn't have one).
From the evidence so far, it seems pretty clear he knew he wasn't getting
an entirely legitimate deal. While the morality of this may be debateable,
the intelligence of it is not. It may be even more stupid than just buying
a stolen car - if he has a moral turpitude clause in his contract, it may
cost him his job if he gets convicted. Either way, he's going to end up in
a courtroom with a $3000/hour attorney, and that Nissan is going to be the
most expensive car he ever bought. ;-).
>
>La Tanya Smith
>American University
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:21:33 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In dc.redskins, rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>>
>>If someone told you you could buy a 1992 Nissan Pathfinder for $5000 as
>>opposed to the rgular $25,000, wouldn't you?  It doesn't matter how much
>>money you make, a good deal is a good deal!!!

Would you buy a $300,000 house for $5,000 without the deed?

Would you buy the moon for $500?

Would you buy London Bridge for $100?

Would you buy a brand new $50,000 car for $5,000 without the title?

If yes, just say good bye to your money.

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From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:30:08 GMT

In article <ELM.92Aug17151216@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>I was surprised to see how poorly Alvin Walton was hitting yesterday.
>He missed several tackles -- hardly the player that I remember from
>some years ago.
>

He's overpersuing. I remember in particular a running play that he read
correctly, followed the RB, and then watched his feet instead of his
waste at the last second. Result was Alvin falling on the ground and
five yards that could have been stopped.

He may be trying to hard. He knows his job is on the line. On the
plus side, our other safeties and LBs are looking fine. 
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:33:58 GMT

In article <92225.102751KCRUZ@auvm.american.edu> <KCRUZ@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>What about Gary Clark. When I first heard about his arrest, I was shocked.
>But after hearing his story, I was relieved.

WHAT??? Clark arrested???  Oh, why don't they report this stuff here in
Nashville?

BTW, What is the opinion of Skins fans about Desmond Howard?  Do you think
he will benefit the team this year (if he signs soon?).  Do you think he
is the real deal?  Of course his salary demands are unbelievable, but that
is not his fault.  To think that Rookies get paid higher than proven veterans
amazes me, and I hope for a court settlement to help control this nonsense.

>"Can't wait til Dallas gets kicked in the ..."

It sure is nice that we have made a national holiday celebrating the 
Skins victory over the Cowboys this year (what is it they are calling
that day, Labor Day or something like that...)

Thad Crews
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 11:27:42 EDT
From: <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: dc.redskins
Subject: Re: He signs the dotted line, at last.
 <23553@oasys.dt.navy.mil>

In article <23553@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve
Williams) says:
>
>In dc.redskins, minett@seismo.CSS.GOV (Debbie Minett) writes:
>>
>>In the interview he [Gary Clark] said he was ticked since now he was
>>out the money he paid for the vehicle, lost the pathfinder and now
>>has to buy a new car!
>
>Considering how much Clark is making, I can't help but wonder why he
>didn't buy a brand new pathfinder.

If someone told you you could buy a 1992 Nissan Pathfinder for $5000 as
opposed to the rgular $25,000, wouldn't you?  It doesn't matter how much
money you make, a good deal is a good deal!!!

>
>
La Tanya Smith
American University
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