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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:57:57 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct12.050710.5094@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell) writes:
> In the future, after Cable has done with mucking about with the present,
> he has a sex-change operation and falls in love with.... SILVER SURFER.
> They have a child ... SILVER SURFER + CABLE = SILVER SABLE! Bwah hah!
 
You are one sick puppy!  <growl of anger>  The Silver Surfer would never,
never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, NEVER go for this
kind of stuff!  <shriek of rage>  Even as a joke, this goes TOO
FAR!!!! I cannot believe anyone would insult my favorite hero like
this!!!!  Bad enough Ron Marz starts writing his book.
  BTW, it's unlikely any female would last with the Surfer; look at
Mantis (dead), Shalla Bal (relationship gone pfttt), and Nova
(presumably she'll be the one to die in the Herald War).  :+)

                                      -Drizzt
 
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From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Origins
Date: 8 Oct 1992 23:46:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred Otero @ UB) says:

>
>	There are so many characters in the mutabt titles that have vague
>or non-existent origins.  Also, other characters have origins that are
>totally f**ked up (anyone come into mind).  IMHO, Marvel should take time
>from all these x-over to tighten up the loose ends and finally clear the air
>about many of those origins.  I think that it would make many of the characters
>more enjoyable and realistic.  Also, you'll be able to understand their actions
>and not be confused as to why they said a certain phrase or did a certain
>action.  I must admit, some of the origins can be better than ish. that deal
>with fighting.
>
>							The Man(A Loyal Fan)
>
>Keep the Faith readers of the 'Children of the Atom'!
>					-Fred @ UB
>

According to Comic Shop News, Marvel is coming out with a one shot
issue called Stryfe's Strike File.  Prof. X scans Stryfe's database
on the X-Men and other mutants, complete with possible origins, 
powers, and weaknesses.

Maybe this will help clear up come of the origins.

Howard
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Alex & Lorna, or a very Sinister child....
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.143422.20572@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>IF (notice a big if) Sinister is the child of Alex and Lorna, the "logic" that
>you used would not support it at all! If Sinister is anyone's child, the most
>logical choice is Scott and Madelyne.
>	4) Only Scott's optic blast was able to hurt Sinister.

Actually, going from what we've been shown, this works exactly the wrong way.
Scott's blast can't hurt him, or his brother....  if Mr. Sinister were related,
the blast should be _unable_ to hurt him.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The DARKFORCE (was: Fallen Angels)
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw3A3n.At6
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>Wait, wait, wait.  Obscure Trivia Lad is confused.  Since when is
>Vanisher's powers Darkforce-related?  Obscure Trivia Lad remembers
>Vanisher once being trapped in mid-teleport by Darkforce (he was
>hit by Darkstar, Obscure Trivia Lad thinks), but doesn't remember
>any reference to Vanisher's powers being Darkforce-based.  But,
>then, that could just be Obscure Trivia Lad.

Hmm... once again, I find myself in the position of assissting Obscure Trivia
Lad. You ask me, I should start getting part of the merchandising royalties.

No, the Vanisher's powers are not Darkforce based. Neither, for that matter,
are Nightcrawler's. And I don't believe that the Vanisher was stuck in
Darkforce, oh lo, those many issues ago, but a certain incarnation of the
Well of Worlds (see the Nightcrawler limited series for more info on that).

In fact, the Vanisher's power of teleporting is "purely psionic," whatever
that means. He was always a more dangerous teleporter than NC because he
could psychically see where he was going, even if he'd never been there, and
thus could teleport anywhere within his range of power and not worry about a
blind 'port sticking him in a wall, toilet, New Kids concert, or other
embarassing places.

-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: New X Artists
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:02:25 GMT


The new X-Force guy is good. I like him. He captures the Marvel Style
and the characters well. He even beats Liefield :)

Andy Kubert really surprised me on X-Men -- I *like* him!!! He did a 
terriffic job. I didn't realize he was so talented.

The new Uncanny guy -- he has some serious potential. I think the inker
saved him, but he could be a major talent really soon.

Jae Lee -- this one needs some work. Very sketchy, and unfinished. I think
I liked stroman better. Weird impressionism, reminds me strongly of
Leonardi and whassisface that did the X-Force fill in & all the Classic X
covers.

Jae Lee may be suffering from Al Milgrom.

Loose him. :)

Marvel has done well recovering from all the talent leaving.

Writing? Lobdell and Fabian are doing credible jobs. PAD clocks in
as the best on X-Factor. (I know, I said to myself I was *not* reading the
X-Song crossover, but I just can't help myself!!!) The dialogue on Factor
blows the others away. 

(The other X-titles need just a little humor in them -- the X-people
seem to be a little *too* serious now.)

(Claremont knew when to lighten up -- he was a master at not making the
X-people *too* gloomy and sermony.)

Scott
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Rogue pregnant...
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:15:55 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Ok, lets say that Marvel breaks down and allows Rogue to do it.  What happens
when she wants to have a child?  Does the baby's mind get sucked into hers?
And she gives birth to something braindead?

						BandWagon Boy!


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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: Amanda Sefton
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:09:24 GMT

In article <8erN4PK00YV7A38lMS@andrew.cmu.edu> "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Speaking of nonsequiturs...
>>Can anybody explain to me what happened to Amanda Sefton between the time she
>>shot herself and appeared on Muir Island for the Shadow King Saga?  Whatever
>>happened to her was never really explained.
>
>When did Amanda Sefton ever shoot herself?  If you're referring to
>Uncanny X-Men #204, where she and Nightcrawler were arguing and a woman
>later appeared in a hospital after being shot, then you are mistaking
>that woman for Amanda Sefton.  She was actually Madelyne Pryor, who had
>been shot by the Marauders.  This was unclear originally, but was
>cleared up in later issues.  Incidentally, where is Amanda now?

It was mentioned in the letters page of a recent issue of Excalibur (next to 
most recent one, I think--part one of the troll story, or the issue just 
before that) that they were going to do something about Nightcrawler's past,
involving Amanda Sefton.  I get the feeling Davis is itching to clean up 
danglers not only from his own book, but just in general . . . pretty good 
idea, IMO.

The Walrus
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men 295
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:07:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct13.170807.29802@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dark Ghost) writes:
>	Actually I think the computer that Cable uses, called the
>"professor" isn't Professor X or ship.  Instead the computer is simply a
>computer named after Professor X, either by Cable or the original creators,
>who were probably the people who brought little Nathan/Cable into the
>future.  Since we all know Stryfe is really an alternate Cable from another
>time, and we know that Stryfe is the child of Jean and Scott, it is safe to
>assume that Cable really is Nathan.

No, we DO NOT know that Stryfe is the child of Jean and Scott.  In
fact, if Stryfe/Cable really is Nathan (I disbelive, I disbelieve,
I disbelieve), then he/they would be the child of Scott and MADELYNE.
Yes, Madelyne was a clone of Jean.  But, she WAS NOT Jean!

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: X-Men 2099
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:56:38 GMT

	If this does go ahead, which of the following will it be?

		a) A team featuring Cyclops 2099, Wolverine 2099,
Psylocke 2099, etc. ...

		b) A bunch of futuristic mutants (perhaps they took an
overdose of that funky future drug of SM 2099) who steal the name of the
"classic super-hero team of the late 20th-century".

	Either way look for crossovers with the other 2099 books.

	- Gord
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Maddie Pryor
Keywords: Madelyne Pryor Sinister Yo
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:06:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Oct12.000630.29567
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <70828@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>Anyway, i think this was explained (several times :-) by the fact that
>Claremont knew a woman named Maddie Pryor (although i think she spelled it
>different) and liked the name, so he used it twice, kinda like what happened
>with the name 'Jubilee.'

Of course it's the explanation, but Claremont decided to be confusing and tie
the two Mad* Pryors together anyway.  In one of the Inferno issues, a telepath
in Genosha is reading Madelyne's mind.  She is shown imagining herself as a
child, and saying exactly the same quote that the child Maddy said in Avengers
Annual #10....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1bhq85INN347@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan
A. Kung) writes:
>nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman) writes:
>>I just thought of something!  Under your theory, Rogue would have lost her 
>>absorbed powers when her powers were temporarily nullified after her re-
>>integration!  _Or_ in Genosha, under Wipeout's influence.  So you see, Rogue
>>_can_ permanently absorb someone else's powers, and it doesn't depend on her
>>absorbing ability to keep them.
>
>Right, okay.  Maybe someone can answer this question about Leech and
>Wipeout, since I haven't my comics around:  has it been established
>that they can nullify non-mutant powers?

Since Leech and Wipeout have been used exclusively in Marvel's mutant
titles, I'm thinking that they really haven't had the best of opportunities
to practice on removing non-mutant powers. It should be noted that Wipeout
didn't do all that well against N'Astirh's daemonic powers, and therefore he
might have trouble facing magical foes (it's moot now, anyway, since he's
dead, but still...).

I personally see no reason to believe that Leech could cancel Spidey's
wall-crawling, say, or Electro's bolts (drh, showing his ancient Spider-Man
preference). Cancelling Wonder Man's ionic strength or Thor's hammer,
though, seems a bit far fetched.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: Maverick
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:04:20 GMT

In article <22979@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>Vahid Fozi writes
>-->
>-->So far, I thought that by far the best among the new X-Men stories was 
>-->the one about Omega Red. And, as some of you might have guessed, what 
>-->thrilled me the most about them was the mysterious new man, Maverick! Not 
>-->only does he know more about the past of Sabretooth and Wolverine than 
>-->any other character, but he oozes ... well, he oozes machismo (corny as 
>-->it sounds). I was wondering if anybody knew anything about plans to 
>-->continue Maverick. I've read the two-part Maverick series where he kills 
>-->that doctor for Barrington, but I haven't had the chance to read any of 
>-->the comics past number 9, because my mom is sooooo cheap. Anybody have 
>-->any idea?
>-->
>
>
>Nothing - except that the trading cards said that Maverick had the ability to  
>look into the immediate future and choose the best route for himself...

Also, during the Omega Red storyline in one of the flashbacks, when Creed,
Logan, and North (Maverick) jump off the *mumble* story, Maverick makes the 
comment that his "mutant ability to absorb kinetic energy" protected him from
the impact.  But I think he later says that this is gone or that he's lost his
powers...don't have the book with me and the memory is kinda fuzzy.

>IMHO that makes him a incredibly powerful character...  Maybe too powerful to  
>be well written.

Not to mention a ripoff of not one, not two, but THREE other characters...
Destiny, Sebastian Shaw, and Punisher.  With a little Wolverine thrown in, 
for kicks.

>chris

The Walrus

>PS: get a job... for $$$ :)

WHAT?  And do...manual labor?  Eeeeeeewwwwww!!!!! :)

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From: gtm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Gareth Torrey Munger)
Subject: Amanda Stephan and Mimic!!!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:53:39 GMT

	Can anyone tell me the last appearence of Amanda Stephan(someone
said it was in X-factor 69????????)  I also heard that Mimic appeared in
a recent issue of marvel comic present???? or am I just out in left field.
No need to post to the net just email me please

The Tigerdragon
On the Path to Jeet Kune Do

gtm1@cec2.wustl.edu
From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Men Traitor!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:17:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Whazzup!  I am not Ken West but one of his roommates.  However, my identity will remain secret because if it gets out that I leaked this, I will probably be dead within the hour.  The traitor of the X-Men is .....








                                  LEGION



     think about it, and think hard!

Do not attempt to reply, all contact is now severed.
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: X-Men 2099
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:58:30 GMT

Granted, this falls into the realm of unsubstantiated rumor, but it does
merit some mention.

Somebody on rec,comics.misc. posted a brief summary about a con he
attended a little while ago. One of things he mentioned was the
possiblity of an X-Men 2099 title coming out sometime next year. No
other details were given.

Now, I like the X-men and have colleted them for about ten years, but
does the thought of this X-title occuring make you want to scream. I
know I did.


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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops & Bishop
Keywords: Optic blasts, bio-blast absorption
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:06:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.) writes:

>I remember in the original Official Handbookd of the MU, Cyclops power
>source for his "optic blasts" was unknown, though it was speculated
>that he may be opening up a dimensional doorway and drawing force from
>there.  Any easy way to clear this up would be just one shot at Bishop;
>if he generates it himself, Bishop could take it and redirect it 
>(could be interesting team-work...), if not...well, it seems that Bishop
>could probably survive being slammed through a few walls..=)

What ever happened to Scott's solar charging? Does anyone else remember
how early in CC's run Cyclops absorbed energy from the sun to convert
into his eye-beams (ala Sunspot)?  The most memorable occurrence I
can remember was Annual 3, in Arkon's dimension.

Scott's powers were weakening because there was no sun to charge them.
Later Scott absorbs power from Storm's lightning (!??).

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: mutant???=mutate
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:34:31 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Dark Ghost sez:

>  Evolution
>(if you believe it) is the process of random mutations (like a change in
>color or an extra horn).

I ain't gonna believe it if you insist on using a silly definition like that,
DG. Evolution is NOT defined as the process of random mutations. Evolution
is not, even technically, the "survival of the fittest." Evolution (and here
I'm hoping I don't suffer from Obscure Trivia Ladism and get foggy on some
critical point...) is the process of life changing to adapt best to its
environment. Mutations play a part in it, but mutation is not all there is.

If this becomes an important matter, I guess I can dive back into
talk.origins and dig out the text book definition. If not, fine.

This, of course, does not apply to comic book mutation, nor Marvel genetics,
just as the Second Law of Thermodynamics doesn't apply to Marvel physics.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Judas/PAD ?'s
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:23:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Well, since Hulk #400 resolves a story point that occurred five years ago,
I don't know if I'm the best one to talk about someone else dragging things
out...

The general thought seems to be that readers get the most enjoyment out of
speculating about things and trying to figure them out for themselves.  That,
in fact, readers are invariably disappointed when the truth is spelled out
because then the "fun" is over, as it were.  

Me, I'm lobbying to have a bit in Spider-Man 2099 during issue #6-7, when
Spider-Man goes "Downtown"...an underworld section of New York that is
seedy, run down, and similar to NY of today.  And I wanted to have a 
sign stuck on a wall in the background with the words "THE MUTANT TRAITOR--
MAY YOU ROT IN HELL" above and below, and a picture in the middle--and the
picture is obscured by graffiti.  

In "X-Cutioner's Song," so much is being revealed about Cable and Styrfe that
(sorry, "Stryfe") that it should be painfully evident who they really are.
I'll be curious to see what sort of reaction that gets.

PAD
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From: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Subject: Re: X-Judas/PAD ?'s
Reply-To: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:16:37 GMT

In article <67779@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>Me, I'm lobbying to have a bit in Spider-Man 2099 during issue #6-7, when
>Spider-Man goes "Downtown"...an underworld section of New York that is
>seedy, run down, and similar to NY of today.  And I wanted to have a 
>sign stuck on a wall in the background with the words "THE MUTANT TRAITOR--
>MAY YOU ROT IN HELL" above and below, and a picture in the middle--and the
>picture is obscured by graffiti.  

Yeah, it'd be a bummer to have Liefield come and sue you for libel for putting
his face there.  >:)

>
>In "X-Cutioner's Song," so much is being revealed about Cable and Styrfe that
>(sorry, "Stryfe") that it should be painfully evident who they really are.
>I'll be curious to see what sort of reaction that gets.
>
>PAD

So does this mean you guys are gonna turn everything around and make them NOT
Scott and Maddy's son? God, I hope not.
Here's what I'd like to see...

1) Stryfe is Scott and Maddy's son.  His treatment of Jean as his mother does not contradict this. If you remember, Jean "absorbed" Maddy, and Nathan was
too young to know the difference.

2) Cable is a clone made by Sinister or Apocalypse in the future.

3) Feral and Shatterstar bite it.

4) Cable and Stryfe kill each other (I know, I know, I'm dreamin')

5) Prof. X dies, leaving Scott in charge.

6) Douglock comes back.

Dreeeeeam, the impossible dreeeeam.....

-Josh

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA