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From: D.J.Coleman@censis.utas.edu.au
Subject: SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:29:14 GMT

          The University of Tasmania and Telecom Australia
                       Present a One-Day Seminar 

            NETWORKING SPATIAL INFORMATION SYSTEMS '92:
      Managing GIS and CAD Applications Across Wide Area Networks  

            The Sheraton Hotel Melbourne, 13 Spring Street
                    Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
                      Wednesday, October 7th, 1992


Computer-Assisted Drafting and Geographic Information Systems generate and use
large graphics and image files. Up until recently, traditional wide-area
networking services simply couldn't deliver fast communication of these large
graphics and image files over long distances. New higher-speed data
communication services like ISDN, FDDI and, in Australia, FASTPAC may finally
offer a workable alternative to users of these technologies.

This seminar offers managers, support staff and end-users the opportunity to
gain a better appreciation of new, high-speed networking services now being
offered to the CAD and GIS communities in Australia.  Participants will also
hear about the performance and application of wide-area networks in these
environments, and the tradeoffs involved when evaluating the various options
available.

Presentations will be made by representatives from state and local government,
utilities, communications consulting firms and research organisations.  Topics
will cover high-speed data communication alternatives now being offered,
results of recent GIS networking research, and examples of operating CAD and
GIS technology in a wide-area networking environment.  

PROGRAM

8:30   Registration
9:00   Introduction: The Promise of Broadband Communications Services
9:30   Examining MAN and WAN Options:  Management Issues
10:15  FASTPAC Performance Testing in a GIS Environment
11:00  Coffee/Tea
11:20  Wide-Area Networking Case Studies
1:00   Lunch (provided)
2:00   Network Implementation Issues
3:15   Coffee/Tea
3:40   Planning and Cost Considerations
4:45   Concluding Remarks


REGISTRATION COST:	$145
Morning/afternoon teas and light lunch included in the cost of registration.

TO REGISTER OR TO OBTAIN FURTHER INFORMATION, CONTACT:

David Coleman, Centre for Spatial Information Studies, 
University of Tasmania, GPO Box 252C, Hobart 7001 TASMANIA.
Tel. (002) 20-2108       Fax:  (002) 24-0282
Internet:  coleman@censis.utas.edu.au

Note:   Network users should respond directly to the above e-mail address
rather than posting requests to this newsgroup.

Thanks very much.


 
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: ACAD R12
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:14:32 GMT



Hi,

ACAD R12 is released in Finland at September 1.
The party is in 'Helsingin Messukeskus' (exhibition center of Helsinki)
People should register themselves at Autodesk (Finland). before
August 24.

Note that people has got an invitation cards, so, if you don't
have such card you might want ask after August 24 if there's
room left for you (that is, somebody doesn't come and
you might get her/him place).

Ok, this announce was mainly for Finnish readers.

Juhana Kouhia

PS. I'm not writing for Autodesk and don't know what they think.
From: herrin@turtle.mcc.com.mcc (Jim Herrin)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ACAD R12
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:47:22 GMT
Reply-To: herrin@turtle.mcc.com.mcc
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

R12 is out for the Sun SPARCstation also, I'm running it now.
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: rjbaucom@eos.ncsu.edu (RYAN JEFFREY BAUCOM)
Subject: Re: How to draw a helical in AutoCAD
Originator: rjbaucom@c00083-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rjbaucom@eos.ncsu.edu (RYAN JEFFREY BAUCOM)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:43:25 GMT


I know of one simple LISP program that draws helical springs using
small 3D-Line segments.  I believe I saw it in a book called "AutoLISP
For Non-Programmers".  I forget the author, but you should be able to find
it.
 
  -Ryan Baucom

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: RFowler@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert A. Fowler)
Subject: ATI Ultra drivers for r12
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:45:41 GMT

Does anyone have/know were to ftp (I can't do international modem calls 
from work) the ATI Ultra drivers for AutoCAD r12?  The ones that came 
with my Ultra card worked fine with r11, but crash with r12 and the error 
message says to get an updated driver.

The currant drivers are called softengn.exp (ADI 4.1 p386) and were 
written by Vibrant Graphics.

Thanx.


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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Looking for Font (.shp,.shx) files other than...
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:44:54 GMT



...the standard ones supplied. I`m specifically looking for a Font with
Feature Control characters (symbols for concentricity, angularity, etc.),
but am interested in others too.

  I did find some on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors2 sub-dir if anyone's
interested.

Al - alb@ais.org
From: newman@Think.COM (Don Newman)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: ACAD R12
Date: 20 Aug 1992 13:39:30 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: liszt.think.com

>>does anybody know if R12 is out jet??

>>erik

>Last I heard, the international versions were not out yet, only the US for
>MS Dos version is released.

The Sun version is also out in the US.

Don Newman
newman@think.com
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: eczjr@mips.nott.ac.uk (John Richards)
Subject: Re: ACAD R12
Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:14:19 GMT

In article <eymTPB2w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>erik@alcbase.gun.de (Erik Forker) writes:
>
>> does anybody know if R12 is out jet??
>> 
>> erik
>> 
>> -- 
>
>
>Yes, it is here in the USA..
>
>----- 
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>68 Cougar XR-7, 89 VW Golf, 72 Honda CL360Twin, Ti/99/4a, Vextrex, Timex

Also released in DOS and Sun formats in UK ~1 month ago. No DEC version yet
though - pity.

Bye,

John.
From: "anthony tekatch" <anthony.tekatch@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: 3d structural design
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:30:05 EST
Reply-To: "anthony tekatch" <anthony.tekatch@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


This might not be the proper USENET conference, but here goes.

A friend of mine is looking for a 3D structural analysis program that
runs under Windows.

The program is referred to in the April 1990 CAD/CAM Systems magazine as a
program used by someone to speed design time and to drop building costs.
Specifically used by Dow Corning (in that article), the program is aimed
to make advanced structural engineering techniques available to the general
user.

The package is called Inertia, from Modern Computer Aided Engineering.

Any information out about the program like price, requirements,
availablility would be helpful

Thanks in adv...

PS. If you know which USENET conference I sould use for this then please
let me know.


>Mohawk College Electrotech BBS (416) 575-2129  Hamilton, Ontario

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Subject: Re:      Remote Plotting
Reply-To: jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:37:58 GMT

In article <9343.9208120922@helios.leicp.ac.uk> Andy Humberston <iah@LEICESTER-POLY.AC.UK> writes:
>HI,
>
>We are running AutoCad Rel. 11 on Novell 386 Netware.
>
>We have a remote plotter attached to a station, running Novells RPRINTER
>from that station. AutoCad is configured to plot to LPT2: and our PLOT
>QUEUE is also captured to LPT2:  All is fine when plotting from the
>station connected to the plotter, but will not work from other stations.

Here we go again :-)  You need to plot to file and use LPT2 as the file
name.  This way AutoCAD goes through DOS and your data goes to the
remote plotter.  If you do not plot to a file AutoCAD goes banging
the hardware directly and bypasses the LPT2 redirection.

>|      Andy Humberston, IT Services, De Montfort University, UK      |
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From: u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Looking for ADI driver for Tseng 3000
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:27:12 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia


Does anyone have (or know where I can get)a recent (4.x) ADI driver to suit
AutoCAD 12/386 running with a Tseng 3000 with 512k RAM? I am after an
800x600 resolution driver.

Thanks,

 - Darrin
   u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel )
Subject: AutoCAD rel 12 question?
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:42:00 GMT

Hi

Can anyone tell me if AutoCAD rel 12 uses the VCPI memory standard for DOS 
extender purposes.  I REALLY want to install OS/2 2.0 but I need AutoCAD.  
Even the windows extension can't be run under OS/2 since it requires 
enhanced mode to run.

Thanks in advance
   Bruce
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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via:           UK.AC.LEEDS.LEVA; 17 AUG 92 14:50:12 BST
Originally-to: EARN%OHSTVMA::AUTOCAD
Originally-from: BRADBEER
Mailer:        Janet_Mailshr V3.5 ( 13-OCT-1989 14:07:27 )
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:48:13 GMT
From:         BRADBEER@LEVA.ICF.LEEDS.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Transfer from Robocad 4

Has anybody tried to transfer drawing data from Robocad 4 into Autocad via
IGES or DXF. If you have I would be grateful to hear of your experiences,
positive or otherwise.

Please reply to me directly as I am not a member of the list. I will summarise
any replies I get and post to the list at a later date.

Thanks

Paul E. Bradbeer
BRADBEER@UK.AC.LEEDS.ICF.LEVA
From: ccav86@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("T.Laochaiwat")
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: How to draw a helical in AutoCAD
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:40:01 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde
 I have tried to draw a helix by using "PLINE" via autolisp
 Firstly, I did draw an outline by using "CIRCLE" then trace
 the circle with a polyline. It is clumsy, but it works though. :)

Cheers,
Term.
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad,comp.os.msdos
From: davidc@brahms.udel.edu (David Casper)
Subject: AutoCAD import into MS Word
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:33:22 GMT

Help!
I've been trying to import AutoCAD .plt and/or .eps files in
MS Word for Windows 2.0  All that appears in the document
is the "header" information...no graphics appear?
Has anyone else come across this?  If so, what was the 
solution?
 
Any help will be greatly appreciated...
David (davidc@brahms.udel.edu)
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From: Christian.Galganek@p1.f31.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Christian Galganek)
Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Diffs 11-->12
Date: 21 Aug 92  12:01:00 EST


Who can tell me in a few words what will be *new* in ACAD12?

greetings from Berlin
 Christian

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: tom@johnston.noname (hostname)
Subject: Re: Does anybody use turbocad?
Reply-To: tom@johnston.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:55:16 GMT

How 'bout Autodesk's Generic CAD?
From: banz@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Robert Banz; HONORS COL (U))
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Release 12 Prices/Requirements
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:21:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County

I think the title says it all.  Can somebody send me the pricing for release
12 (upgrade and new) and it's hardware requirements.  I hope to convince my 
employer to upgrade soon, and some information (including new features, etc) 
would also help.

E-mail or post, it doesn't matter to me...

Thanks in advance, 
Rob Banz (banz@umbc5.umbc.edu)
From: erik@alcbase.gun.de (Erik Forker)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: ACAD R12
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:20:15 GMT
Organization: alchemist's research kitchen

does anybody know if R12 is out jet??

erik

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: chad@src.umd.edu (R Michael McMahon)
Subject: R12 bugs: keep old version handy!
Reply-To: chad@src.umd.edu (R Michael McMahon)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:02:19 GMT

I don't want to discourage anyone from upgrading to R12- you should. 
BUT, don't delete your current version until several days of testing have 
satisfied you that all is well. I have discovered crippling problems 
with several of the protected mode ADI drivers for so-called "supported"
hardware, the tablet drivers in particular. My dealer confirms lots of 
calls from customers whose hardware worked just fine under previous ACAD
releases, only now to discover major problems in R12.

Again, this is not a flame towards AutoDesk, just a reminder that you
don't delete anything until you are absolutely sure R12 works.



R Michael McMaho		chad@src.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel )
Subject: How to draw a helical in AutoCAD
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:57:28 GMT

Hi

Any ideas on how to draw a helical (or spring) in 3D in AutoCAD.  I need a 
simple method so that it can be generated form an ADS application.

Thanks in Advance
    Bruce.
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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ACAD R12
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:04:37 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

erik@alcbase.gun.de (Erik Forker) writes:

> does anybody know if R12 is out jet??
> 
> erik
> 
> -- 
>   Erik Forker	      	   erik@alcbase.gun.de  
>   voice: +49-211-254259    fax: +49-211-254260
>   Duesseldorf              Germany 	  


Yes, it is here in the USA..

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From: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: lisp dosuse.lsp
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:34:16 EST
Reply-To: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Hi all,
In Cadence August 1992, I saw an excellent LISP routine called USEDOS.LSP.
(Article:   Education: "Pass the Arguments, please")
Does anyone know were I could get a copy of this without typing it in
from the magazine?  I know I can wait till the end of the year to get
all of the routines on a diskette.

Also are there any magazines on the BBS's that are ACAD or CAD related,
available for download?


Joe Labonte , Guelph, Ontario, Canada     (Brampton Node)
Using Canada Remote System (CRS)
Compuserve & Internet please reply to:
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From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Does anybody use turbocad?
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

A friend wants to do engineering drawings for her company catalog, and
does not really have the $$$ to spend on an autocad.  How's Imsi's
TurboCad?  She won't be doing a lot of heavy-duty, complex drawings, but
she _does_ need professional work as the result.

Many thanks,
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: tilden@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Tilden)
Subject: Plotting ground plane
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:23:43 GMT

Hi,
	I use Autocad to lay out the occasional printed circuit board, and
I've come to the conclusion that there *must* be a better way to do ground
planes (large areas of fill). Up to now I've used a hatch pattern with a
density determined by pen width, plot scale, etc. This causes problems if
you change scale as well as taking up a large amount of space on the drive.
It seems to me that there should be a way of selecting an area (like one
does in hatch) and then 'flooding' the area to make a solid fill. I haven't
found the 'fill' command to be flexible enough- maybe I'm missing
something. Any ideas or suggestions welcome.

-Bob	tilden@nuhepl.phys.nwu.edu
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: FTP site for AUTOLisp files
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:20:05 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

Does anybody know of any ftp sites that have AUTOLisp files.  If so
could you please post them or e-mail them to me.  Thanks in advance.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
(bobs@think.com)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Feature Control Block Characters - Suggestions wanted
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:05:42 GMT


Greetings,

  How are AutoCAD users displaying Feature Control Blocks (FCB) with
the associated designators concentricity, circularity, etc. Is there
a Font with these characters available from somewhere?

Al - alb@ais.org
From: COM1BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET (David G. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Drawing Management & AutoManager "Workflow"
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:45:13 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

I recently purchased the drawing management software AutoManager
"Workflow" by Cyco International. So far, the software seems to
be well worth the investment. I am curious to know of any other
users of this software, or for that matter anyone who knows anything
about configuring the "field/path" relationship for maximum flexibility.
I also have other questions and items to discuss, I am hoping to find
a source on this net that will help me along with questions regarding
"Workflow". Thanks in advance...

David Booth
University of California, Santa Barbara, CA
Communications Services Department
com1boot@ucsbvm.bitnet
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From: gcburns@sdrc.COM (Thomas C. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.cad,alt.graphics
Subject: SET Files Wanted
Summary: Boundry Solid (@101) dataset wanted
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:15:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cad
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati, Ohio  U.S.A.


	I am in need of S.E.T. (Spe'cifications du Standard d'E'change de
Transfert) files containing the Boundry Solid Block (@101).  I need these to 
help me interpret the S.E.T. specification.

	As a side note, is the original (French) version of this standard
available electronically?  Perhaps it is available as a rather large 
postscript file?


	Please respond to me at the address is my .signature.



				Thanks,



				Tom Burns



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Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: dcb@willow.wpi.edu (David Brown)
Subject: C + Motif + CLIPS + Solid-Modelling 
Keywords: integration
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:50:35 GMT

Does anyone have any significant experience with mixing expert system
and interface building tools with a solid modellor?  We've been working 
on a prototype using CATIA, and have been struggling.  CATIA hasnt always
behaved predictably, seems to want to be "in charge" (ie. it's hard to get 
it to behave as a subfunction), doesnt seem to be designed to cooperate
easily with anything other than Fortran, and it has a "hot line" which 
is "warm" at best.  Does anyone have experience with products such as 
IDEAS?

Any comments welcome,
Thanks,
	Dave Brown.

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From: dsmith@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.cad,alt.graphics
Subject: Re: I-DEAS/CAEDS email discussion group ... iccon@audrey.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: I-DEAS CAEDS ICCON discussion
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:48:35 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, MI (USA)

In <1992Aug12.083217.29803@leland.Stanford.EDU> buc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Richards) writes:
>This article describes a public discussion group for I-DEAS related
>topics.  The discussion is carried out through a mailing list of other
>I-DEAS interested individuals.  The mailing list is accessed by
>sending mail to;
>
>	ICCON@audrey.Stanford.EDU
How about gatewaying this into "alt.cad" or "alt.cad.ideas"?

   Dan
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