From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:30:39 GMT

In article <jayson.03ru@tbag.tscs.com>, jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:

|> The  Amiga  4000  seems  to  have  been rushed (pushed) out the door just a
|> little  too  soon.  History repeats itself.  The Amiga 1000 came out before

YES! FINALLY! A kindrid spirit!

(Why can't there be any GOILS who tink like I doo?)   8)

|> Enter  the  Amiga  4000.   I'm  not going to bash the machine or wine about
|> price  drops  on the A3000 (which was expected).  I will say that the A4000
|> does  not  have what I want in a computer and therefore I will not buy one.

This is getting better and better....

|> Yes, the extra color capability in the AGA is fantastic.  But I want higher
|> resolution  even more than I want color.  Actually I want both, 8-bit color
|> and at least 1024x768 non-interlaced, or something near that would be fine.

8-bit color... lesse.... that's, uh, 256,000... right? Sounds good to me...
I'm spoiled, I want to "beat" the other guys. I'd like a bit more res. The 
other guys DO have 1280x1024 availiable, if you want to pay big $$ for it. It
shouldn't be standard equipment, tho, it's just too much...

|> an  040.  And I won't trade "down" to a machine with no SCSI.  I don't mind
|> having an IDE interface but I do mind not having the expasion capabiltiy of
|> SCSI.   This deal is 180 degrees backwards in the A4000.  SCSI should be on
|> the  mother  board and the IDE should come as an option on a plug-in board.
|> I'm not too worried about the audio thing, but if the A4000 did have 16 bit
|> audio out it would definitly provoke more interest in me.  Like I said, I'm
|> not  really  bashing the A4000.  I'm just pointing out that it doesn't have

I AM (bashing the A4000...). I think it has what very few people want, and I
think it LEAVES OUT a lot of what most people need and expect from Commodore.
If you thought people were going to run for the hills BEFORE the A4000 was
released, wait until they get a LOOK at it. 

"OOOO.. look.. it's got more colors... not a lot more, but more. And... ooooo,
a couple of new resolutions! They're not very big, still, but they're better.
And... oh, WOW! High Density drives! I'm sooooo excited!"

9)
 
|> what  I want.  If you don't make what the customers want then they have two
|> options:  (1) go somewhere else, (2) wait until you make something new(er).

Yep. Fortunately, most of us are stupid enough to wait around..

should we start making plans on the A5000 yet???

|> After  hearing  that  the  AGA (yes I would like more color at a reasonable
|> price)  "will  not  go into any previous machine" it became obvious *again*
|> that  CBM  dosen't  care  too much about my segment of their customer base.

I've gotta break with you here. Cannot be done. You can't innovate if you're 
still looking over your shoulder at the old, wounded model sitting in the wings,
waiting to pounce.

|> To  sum  up:  No, I don't plan to "jump ship" and buy a Mac or MSDOS clone.
|> But  neither  do  I  plan  to  buy  an  Amiga  4000.  It would be much more
|> advantageous  for  an  A500  to  "power  up" to the A4000 then for an A3000
|> owner.  If you're one of these then go for it.

The whole problem is that it's not enough of an advance. See, for you, going 
from the A1000 to the A3000 was a great move. But the A3000 suffered from the
same lack of superiority - it wasn't good enough to make me give up my A2000. 
The A4000, two full models up, still falls short. My A2000 with Flicker Fixer
firmly in place is just as good, for my purposes, as the A4000. I wouldn't
even consider trading up to the A4000.. I'm sure it's more trouble than it's
worth. I don't even think the A500 owners should rush out and buy one... give
it a little look, first. Maybe the A1000 owner (yeah, you, buddy!) should get
one, but everyone else may benefit from waiting.

|>  Jay Phillips * Tampa FL
|>  Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
|>  USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com     (or roast me on Genie: B.Phillips13)
|> 
|> --- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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