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--------------------   Quiz  7  -  Answers   ------------------------------
Division A	

1.	"Now listen to me, all of you.  Don't try to come out until the gas
	 has cleared.  Stay where you are.  Get down on the floor."
	The Master, The Mind of Evil		FFF	3/2.33

	The Master and Mailer have just taken over the prison and the
	building is full of tear gas.  The Master is giving instructions
	to the other prisoners.


2.	"If he's such a great magician, let's see him untie himself."
	Burt, The Daemons			JJJ	2/2.66

	Near the end of the story.  Burt is the pub keeper who has been
	spying on UNIT for The Master, and in this scene, he is also the
	guy in the "chicken-suit".


3.	"I sometimes think there are more members of the peace party up
	 here than back on earth."
	Professor Dayle, The Frontier in Space	QQQ	3/2.66


4.	"So he did escape from Traken."
	The Doctor (Tom Baker), Logopolis	5V	5/3.5

	Said on seeing the TCE-ed policeman in the car seat.


5.	"As soon as I found myself in this horrible place, I started looking
	 for you.  Somehow I knew I'd find you here."
	Susan, The Five Doctors			6K	5/3.33

	At the start of the story, said to the first Doctor (Richard Hurdnall).

	I always liked this quote because it can be read two ways.  The
	way it was probably intended (nice), and the other way, ie, where
	now that things are horrible, you are the logical person to be
	involved in it, arrive on the scene, etc.

	Of course, If Susan was written like "The Black Adder", the line would
	be saying something like: "As soon as I found myself in this horrible
	place, I started looking for you, Baldrick.  Somehow I knew I'd find
	you here.  Now, shall we both run from this motorized dustbin with the
	bad case of acne, or shall we wait for your smell to strip its paint?"

	But I digress.


Common Theme:		The Master
Possible points:	20
Average score:		14.5 (72.5%)
Top Scores:		6 participated 
Gordon Hogenson		20
John Patterson		20
Gary Duzan		17


Division B
1.	"I think your colony of Earth people is in grave danger of
	 extinction."
	The Doctor, Frontios			6N	2/1.66


2.	"Let me see if I've understood you correctly.  You are holding
	 a remembrance ceremony for the dead of our world wars.  A
	 cease-fire is to remain in force for the duration of said
	 ceremony, right?"
	Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart, Battlefield
						7N	3/2.00


3.	"What happens when life starts pushing you around someday?
	 What are you going to do then?
	Sargent Patterson, Survival		7P	2/1.66


Hint for Division B:	Short stories
Common Theme:		Stories with one word in the title
Possible points:	12	
Average score:		5.33 
Top Scores:		6 participated
Neal Smith		12
Eli John Hawkins	12


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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Regenerations???
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:07:40 GMT

00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> Why is it that every time the Doctor has regenerated he gains weight, hair
>> agility, etc?I know when a time lord regenerates he/she takes on a new
>> physical form, but to what extent?  Also why does the TARDIS "evolve" every
>> time the doctor regenerates?  The control pannel gets more and more complicated
>> with each new regeneration.  Watch one one of William Hartnell's episodes and
>> compare the control pannel to one of the Collin Baker episodes.

>Well, we know there is a type of 'symbiosis' between the TARDIS and the owner 
>(the Doctor).  Maybe the TARDIS is accomidating itself to the new regeneration
>of the Doctor?

>Time Lady Rebecca

The Time Lady Rebecca has a good point.  But besides this, The Doctor 
constantly upgrades his own machine little by little.  Whether by obtaining 
new parts, or fixing the old.  In many shows this is shown, the best example
I can think of was when he tried to fix the Chameleon circuit.  Though that 
one didn't go too well - perhaps, if the Master had not interfered with the
recursive TARDIS syndrome...

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:53:30 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <Bx5C8x.6A3@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:

> The premise of the story was the fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) going to the planet
>Logopolis to sort out the problem with his TARDIS' Chameleon Circuit once and
>for all. The problem being that the external shell of the TARDIS was stuck in
>the form of a Police Box.

> Now the Police Box is such a familiar shape that the public came to regard it
>as the ideal representation of the Police force,
> or... <....DRUMROLL......>

>      the LOGO of the POLIS.            TA-DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Erm... very clever, I guess...

> Coinicidence? Can anyone shed any more light on how Christopher H. Bidmead
>came up with the title?

> So if my theory holds, what does CASTROVALVA and FRONTIOS have to do with the
>content of their stories??

Well, I dunno about Frontios, but Castrovalva was taken from the
title of an M.C. Escher painting (hence all that temporal occlusion &
physical paradoxes, etc. in the story..)

Daniel.
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: warrior's gate and logopo
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:47:33 EST

Can anything exist in a singularity?

Well, look at it this way:  an electron is a subatomic particle that has
0 dimensions.  Yet to perform quantum mechanical functions, you need to
assume that it has 3 dimensions.  If there are two electrons, each has
three dimensions (though both are, for all other purposes,
singularities), so you must use math in six dimensions to work a
problem.

What this boils down to is this:  relationships between size and
dimensions are relative to the observer.  A system that appears to have
no dimensions from outside that system may have three or more dimensions
to an observer within the system.
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: colin years
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:11:26 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Nov11.4153.13988@dosgate> daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop) writes:

>If the "Missing Season" is ever released the way Shada was recently, it
>might give more continuity to poor old Colin's Doctor.

Bit difficult, since none of it was ever filmed...
Though 3 of these stories have been released already by Target:
The Nightmare Fair by Graham Williams
The Ultimate Evil by Wally. K. Daly
Mission to Magnus by Philip Martin

Worth checking out, if only for curiosity value...

>He never had a
>chance.  I recall Colin saying they'd heave to tear him out of the role
>kicking and screaming, back when he first got it.

>Like all good Doctors, he had become adept at predicting the future.  I
>liked Colin Baker.  He was obnoxiously good fun.

Hear, hear!
(From an unashamed C.Baker fan...)

Daniel.
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From: husted@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jack)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: *true*, read *greatest*, fan
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:13:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Now, now, folks.  Let's recall what happened to The Psychic
Circus's greatest, subsitute *true* fan, and be charitable. 8-)

Jack Husted
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sophie Aldred's portrayal of the Doctor (was Re: McCoys ...)
Keywords: I'm posting too often, aren't I?
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:53:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov8.210119.3179@cs.mcgill.ca> timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.220420.276@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>> 
>>>>Ace, on the other hand, has always had a consistent characterization, and
>>>>I _know_ sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds (at my sister's high school) who
>>>>have exactly that kind of "I've never had no mum and dad" attitude and
>>>>quick temper.  And best of all, she and Sylvester have developed exactly the
>>>>kind of mentor-student relationship that they tried and failed with Adric.
>>> 
>>> Note: sixteen or seventeen year olds.  Wasn't that her mum who was a baby in
>>> WWII?  How old does this make Ace?
>>> 
>>
>>Audrey is born in 1943, Ace is 16 years old in 1987 (given to us in 
>>"Dragonfire," this is canon), so Ace was born in 1971, giving Audrey
>>28 years to get to child-bearing age.
>>
>>
>>Also, did you know that Sophie Aldred was _25_ when she got the part,
>>thus 27 by "Survival," and now 30?
>>
>>Steven.K.Manfred


>Hey!  Sophie's Thirty (+/- 1 yr., I know her b-day's 20 August, the
>Same as Sylveste's AND my Step-Mother.  Coincidence?), which means she
>really is in the prime of her life!  Cool.

>Hey, here's a thought for all you Sophie-haters.  What if Doctor Who
>comes back, and the premere episode features the McCoy regeneration, a
>la Time [to get a new] Rani.  Ace has just died, and the Doctor is so
>filled with grief, especially after the series of dreams he had after
>'Survival,' which were novelised into The New Adventures, in which he
>treats Ace like [insert favourite explitive here.], and hence takes on
>her form and personality when he regenerates.  The Eightht Doctor:
>The Pyromanicial Lady!

>Picture it:

>Doctor:  Hmmmm?  The Master's TARDIS?  *Blow it up!*
>-- 
>   (%)   By order of the High Council of Time Lords on Gallifrey   (%)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"The world is too much with us."  |  And The Dark Horse     ~,-;`
>   ---   William Wordsworth       |              Rides On           TX TL


AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Don't say it and maybe it won't happen.

Drewcifer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Looking for some incomplete story audios
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:23:44 GMT

I'm looking for audios for the following incomplete stories:

Marco Polo            The Reign of Terror
The Crusade           Galaxy Four
The Myth Makers       The Daleks' Masterplan
The Savages           The Smugglers
The Highlanders       The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase          The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones     The Abominable Snowmen
The Ice Warriors      The Enemy of the World
The Web of Fear       The Wheel in Space

Send me E-MAIL and we'll talk swap. If you know that something does not
exist on audio, let me know so I don't waste my time looking for it. In many
cases, I only need the audio for the missing episodes (i.e. episodes that
don't exist on video, which I have already).

Tom
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Quizze 10
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:25:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40591
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <mqsPTB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>And now Quizze 10, based on the 7th Doctor, and in 2 weeks, the 100 point
>question:
>
>1) What is Mel's occupation?

Whiney, screamy, obnoxious brat.

>2) Which 7th Doctor serial featured Sophie Aldred, before "Dragonfire".

Wheaties.

>4) Who was the Daleks man?

The Orkin man - one good exterminator deserves another.

>5) Which politician did Helen A satorize?

All of them.

>6) Name the Nazi leader from "Silver Nemesis".

David Duke.

>8) Who's ghost haunted a Perivale house that Ace burnt down?

JNT

>9) Describe Fenric.

A quarrie (what else is there in Who).


-- 
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 06:31:34 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

pevans@sanjuan (Patricia Evans) writes:

- In article <=p#qmg+@lynx.unm.edu> xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soh
- >G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
- >
- >> So if my theory holds, what does CASTROVALVA and FRONTIOS have to do with
- >> content of their stories??
- >
- >Well, "Frontios" sounds like a manipulation of the word "frontier," and
- >I know that "Castrovalva" was taken from the name of an Escher painting
- >on which the visuals and the bizarre layout of the castle were based.
- >
- >-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
-
-
- "Castrovalva" by Escher is actually just a picture of some buildings
- high on a hill somewhere in Italy. It's fairly attractive (I use it as
- my X background) but it is certainly not mindboggling like most other
- Escher works. It might be considered to be similar to the external
- view of the buildings in the show, but the interiors were much more
- similar to other Escher works like "Belvedere". Perhaps the name was
- taken from "Castrovalva" because the place was supposed to be uncomplicated,
- and that particular picture is.
-
-
- Patricia Evans
- pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca

  One moment.  Gareth, have been to London recently.  Give that Castrovalva
is an Escher picture, the idea for disorientation came from Barbican, that is
the famous theatre.  After seeing castrovalva, one gets the picture.  I WOULD
have gone to Barbican, however, one can thank the IRA for the cancellation.

  Oh Gareth, you're from Middlesborough.  Arsenal and QPR for the kill.  Say
goodbye Nowich, Blackburn and Coventry, and let's say goodbye to the old guard
such as Man u, Man City, liverpool and Everton.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: colin baker poll
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:25:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <199210.4153.13918@dosgate> dale.clayton@canrem.com (dale clayton) writes:


> Bruce M. Crawford asked:
> -----------------------

>-> What is the general opinion of Colin Baker's version of the Doctor?

>  Near awful. I just couldn't get into his portrayal at all. He just
>wasn't of the same character (not to be confused with personality) as
>any other Doctor. Too many established elements were missing. So
>henceforth, my opinion is that CB's Doctor - wasn't. And then there was
>Peri - the most annoying companion ever (moreso than Mel, IMhO). Put the
>two together and what do you have? Hiatus and sackings.   ----
> I really believe that JNT didn't have a clue at times. Why didn't they
>cancel him.

>Regards,
>Dale Clayton
>-----------------------
>dale.clayton@canrem.com
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Well (as Drew prepares to voice another minority opinion), my personal view
of the situation is just about the same as my view of the McCoy thing: great
actor, great personality, lousy scripts, lousy companions, lousy
productions.  I thought it was nice to see a Doctor as irritable as the
First Doctor had been, and I would have liked him a lot better if they had
explored that dark side that turned up through a wonky regeneration. 
See, I think the reintroduction of mystery could have been very effective
using Colin Baker's Doctor.

But I must disagree with your evaluation of Number Six's (not the Prisoner)
character.  He had the first doctor's brusqueness, the second doctor's
occasional show of cowardice, the third doctor's activity, the fourth's
unusual clothes sense, and the fifth's vulnerability.  I think the Sixth
Doctor had quite a lot in common with previous incarnations...maybe he
wasn't quite as lovable, but I still liked him.  As I said, he was simply
poorly developed.

Drewcifer
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:37:55 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Okay, I have had enough of the "I hate Ace" "I hate McCoy", time for some 
responses.

1. "Ace isn't a real characterization of a modern teenager...."  Yes and No, 
in some aspects she is like a 16 year old girl from a dysfunctional family. 
How many of you can relate to that?  I can.  I can understand what the 
writers were trying to do with her character.  Yes, at one time I was 16, 
and at one time I hated my parent(s), and I was an outcast.  But NO, I did 
not make homemade explosives, but that isn't what makes her "realistic".  

2. "Everyone likes/hates her."  Well, put me on the like side.  I appreciate 
her lack of screaming, and I gained infinite approval for her when she 
attacked the Daleks with her softball bat.  How many other companions, male 
or female, young or old, would have done the same?  Certainly none of those 
that fall into the screaming ninny catagory, and I doubt whether either of 
the Romanas would, they just were not physical enough.  About the only one 
to do it would be Leela, but she is another one of my favorites (gee, big 
surprise there!)

3. "She is worse than Adric" - Not in my book, Adric was just a poorly 
developed character - Too Disney-like.  They tried to make him what they 
(the writers/producers) thought that every young boy would want to aspire 
to, a smart, sneaky, kid.  Ace could not be Disney - she wasn't orphaned, 
she openly disliked things, amongst them, the 3rd commandment - honor thy 
parents - she did on occasion obey/disobey her elders, but that is the 
number one job requirement for a companion.

4. There is no number 4.

5. "She became a major theme in the stories, rather than just a bystander"
Well, I can applaud this.  I am one of those strange people who puts season 
26 at the top of my list.  I like the idea of someone other than the Doctor 
being an integral part of the stories - Ace's hangups, past, and talents 
were the centerpoint of some of the stories, and I applaud that leap by the 
writers/producers.  Did it kill the show?  I doubt it, the BBC wanted to 
kill it, and the character of Ace, Cartmel (script editor), McCoy's Doctor 
and JNT were of secondary importance in the end.

Okay, there it is, some of my rationalizations for liking the character of 
Ace, McCoy's Doctor and the whole damn show.  And if you are going to 
followup, plllllleeeeeeaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee  edit down the text, I am 
getting tired of reading too much stuff in these debates.

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

UNI is no longer number 1 - wwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Quizze 9 results and now Quizze 10 - Yeah right!
Summary: But. . .
Keywords: I'm feeling perticularly devilish.
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:52:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.121221.8403@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>And now time for the real answers - NOT!!!!
>
>>7) Name the 2 actresses that previously appeared on Doctor Who and the seria
>>   they appeared in.
>
>Hilary Clinton and Tipper Gore  (oops, sorry, post election confusion)
>
I know, I know. . .

They were:
1)Ace's mum in The Curse of Fenric.  Wasn't she in The Leasure Hive,
as Baby Pangol's stunt double?

2)The Kang with a webbed feet in Paradise towers.  She was in the Sea
Devils, non?

[BTW, Dave.  You know there are at least THREE possible answers to
this question.  If you don't know what I mean, send me a letter and
I'll give you my opinion.]


>UNI still number 1.

ACRONYM?!  ACRONYM?!  ACRONYM!  ---  Colin Baker.

Why can't people just say what they mean, it's so much more clear. . .

Master: You'll not be able to withstand a blast from my Light
Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation beam!

Doctor: Ace, quick!  Back to the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space!

Ace: Won't he be able to pick us up by RAdio Detecting And Ranging?

Doctor: Just get into the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space!

[Inside the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space]

Doctor: I've got to adjust something on the Time And Relative
	Dimentions In Space console. . .

. . .And on, and on, and on. . .
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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   ---   William Wordsworth       |              Rides On           TX TL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Re: City of Death
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:40:06 GMT

  So good old Douglas Adams doesn't feel the publisher would pay him enough
 to write Pirate Planet/City of Death. I certainly don't blame him. I've
 heard the figure of 600 pounds sterling for a novelization. Chicken feed.

  Who, incidentally, owns the rights to publish *new* DW novelizations? Is it
 still Target, or have they moved on to Virgin? I would think if Target was
 still involved (they're notorious cheapskates), Mr. Adams has a point.


  Speaking of novelizations, any word on when John Peel's version of Evil
 and Power of the Daleks will be released?

					The Woodsman.


-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu             
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