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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:17:33 GMT

In article <manz.718712642@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>In <9OCT199209285891@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:
>
>>Finally, think of the geometric progression (hope that's the right term) of 
>>vampirism if everyone that was bit became a vampire.  One then two then 
>>four then eight...We'd have been up to our necks (ok, flame away)  in the 
>>little rascals before Hector was a pup.  It's a good thing Anne Rice came 
>>along to invent the not-all-the-way-to-vampire bite. :)
>
>It's an exponential progression, actually (not meaning to pick nits.)
>The entire population of this planet would be converted in a little
>over a month (assuming feeding to be nightly.)  Anne isn't the only
>author to come up with a way around this problem.

It usually is, 3 bites - and remember Malthus on food and mankind:  food
production increases arithmetically, while population expands geometrically.

Kinda makes you think that there always will be vampire starvation, when you
apply it to the vampire population:

(And especially if vampires just turn inert if they don't get fed)
Food= Human population
Population = Vampires

grin.



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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:24:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In <9OCT199209285891@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:

>Finally, think of the geometric progression (hope that's the right term) of 
>vampirism if everyone that was bit became a vampire.  One then two then 
>four then eight...We'd have been up to our necks (ok, flame away)  in the 
>little rascals before Hector was a pup.  It's a good thing Anne Rice came 
>along to invent the not-all-the-way-to-vampire bite. :)

It's an exponential progression, actually (not meaning to pick nits.)
The entire population of this planet would be converted in a little
over a month (assuming feeding to be nightly.)  Anne isn't the only
author to come up with a way around this problem.
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 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon
From: kat@lagrange.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: methods of detection and killing
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:16:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lagrange.wpi.edu
Keywords: killing, detection

In article <Bw2Et4.1Bo@acsu.buffalo.edu> v125p7c5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna) writes:
>
[question of vampire detection and killing deleted]
>
>	Please send this via e-mail.  I would rather you not post it, since
>there seems to be some controversy as to some methods.  I would rather not
>start a debate on the subject.

Why not start a debate?  That's what this net is all about. The discussion
(and debate) of vampires....

Anyway, i don't have any answers right now for your question, but I ask those
that do to please post them so that everyone may read them and add input to 
them....

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
                  ********************************************
From: ozernoi@poisonoak.berkeley.edu (Irina Ozernoy)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Pale Blood, Vampires in folklore
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:40:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: poisonoak.berkeley.edu

I never said that _Pale Blood_ was a _good_ movie... I personally found its charm in the very fact that it _was_ so bad.  The video shots of L.A. especially --
my friends and I were howling with laughter.  I thought that the end was the best part of the film -- well, the most original part, anyway.

Re: Vampires & Christianity.  Vampires are older.  Much.  Though Greek Christianity did much to contribute to the belief in vampires, said belief was present in Assyria & Babylonia.  The earliest references to vampires are found in Chaldean & Assyrian tablets.  Ex.:  from the _Cuneiform inscriptions of Western Asia_, 
published in 1866:
	The phantom, child of heave
	which the gods remember 
	the Innis prince
	of the lords
	....
	the vampyre which attacks man
	the Uruku multifold
	upon humanity
	May they never seize him!
That was from Dudley Wright's book _Vampires & Vampiriam _ ...
I'm doing research on the theory of revenants (vampires, ghosts,etc.), so feel
free to email me ozernoi@lithops.berkeley.edu; I love "talking" about vampires!n
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: The Boring Debate Continues (Was: Re: Vampire Victims Needed...)
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:34:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Thinking that perhaps Phil Lafornara either:
	a) misread my previous posts
or	b) didn't read it because I forgot to mention it (quite possible)

I'd like to restate: I never said that I could prove that one could prove
that vampires do not exist. I did claim that, by using Occam's Razor and
observations of Earthly biology, you could make a very good claim that
the odds of them existing are so very small you could safely say that they
do not exist, and probably be on more solid ground than oddballs who make
spurious claims about Quantum Mechanics "proving" that all reality is
subjective.

Oh, BTW:  Santa, n. -- the guy who hasn't come down my chimney in the past
		       two decades. :-)

>>I'm assuming you're still waiting for the lemmings to knock, too, so
>>you can believe in them. Or have you seen one?
>
>      Non-sequiter alert!!  What are you talking about?

Oh, an old argument I heard at some skeptics meeting. It's kind of a (rare)
chestnut in that area. Basically, it's used as an example of the outer limits
of what people need proof to believe in. If you trust me to start ANOTHER
argument, y'all, here goes:

Basically, the idea of lemmings committing suicide to keep down population
runs counter to most people's idea of What Could Happen. Someone asked
"Well, you haven't seen a lemming, have you? Do you believe in them or not?
If so, why?" As usual, my shorthand way of thinking/writing left the
dreaded Non Sequiter trace in my posts...


-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Any humans/mortals?
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:17:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings,
     People find different avenues of escape...
     Some like to watch TV, listen to music, read a book, or watch a play
  or a movie...
     Others like to role-play (the _ultimate_ form of escapisim)...
     For many people, they _NEED_ to play something odd, inHUMAN, or com-
  pletely alien for them to truly distance themselves from the dreariness of
  reality...
     The vampire is a timely, potent, and tremendously seductive... (hmmnn)
  role (?)... alter ego to adopt.  The advantages offered by the natures of
  other races can seem terribly appealing to people looking for and outlet
  to escape to or blow off some steam (in the RPG, you can always blame your
  evil acts on your BEAST, your rage - it's a wonderful excuse that you just
  can't use in the real world...).
     Some people just don't want (or need) to be "human" all of the time...
     (I am often ashamed of it, in fact.  I hope that I don't have to answer
  for the "sins" of my race when I die, 'cause I'm just going to throw up
  my hands and say, "Hey, I didn't ask to be a part of it..." But I digress.)
     Additionally, ceasing to be "human" once in a while can give you new
  perspectives on old ideas and things which you've come to ignore or take
  for granted...
     The people in this 'group often use the vampire to broaden their
  horizons (that's why you currently see topics like Logic, Nameless Ones,
  and other things apparently unrelated to vampires...)...
     Placing things into new frames of reference is good and healthy. The
  vampire mythos helps us do this (earlier I mentiond the "timeliness" of
  the vampiric motiff. I think that the vampire is THE symbol of this time
  (I can just hear it now, The Vampiric 90's...).  Our society and culture
  is all about parisitisim (sp?), fear, contaigon, control, etc.  This IS
  the true age of the Vampire - it's just wearing a new visage...).
     Thank you for listening to me - I'm off to watch Batman (really!).

                                                        -Jonathan
From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Robert Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Any humans/mortals?
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:41:54 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

An interesting thing happened a few days ago...

I play Vampire (a role playing game from White Wolf if you don't know) quite
a bit around here.  I enjoy it a lot.  Always said vampires were my favorite
undead.  But I've noticed an interesting trend with the group I play with, as
well as the general offbeat culture (SCAdians, role players, trekies(ers), et
al):  no one wants to be mundane.

Someone came in the room and asked if anyone was human.  I was the only one
who raised my hand and declared "dang straight."  Everyone else denied it.
Everyone wants to be a vampire, pixie, alien, anything but what they are.
My concern is "are people *really* so unhappy with their humanity?"  I've 
noticed it a bit here, too.  So many jump at the question "would you be a 
vampire?" screaming "YES!!!"  My question is "why?"  I find humanity a
challenge enough.  I revel in it in fact.

Any thoughts?

SITH
Rob
rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 23:59:11 -0400 
From: Tariq Andre Mahadeo <tm3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: grr.....

I want a response from "vampires"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: lilith
From: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Lloyd Pallesen)
Date: 8 Oct 1992 03:01:09 GMT
Reply-To: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1aqlkuINN318@spool.mu.edu>, filter@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (jonatha t filter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.064025.29793@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Anyway the legend that I heard was that when "there was not found a helper
>fit for [Adam]" (Gen. 1:20) Adam began fantasizing and his fantasies became
>quazi-real in the form of Lillith.  This is when God decided that it wasn't
>good for him to be alone, and so created Eve.  With Eve's creation, Lillith
>held no more power over Adam, but legend says that it is from her that the
>giants and jinn were produced (but not through sex with Adam).
>
>Anyway, I heard this story when I was having _The Magician's Nephew_ explained
>to me.  Apparently the witch there (and all the other witches in the 
>Chronicles of Narnia) are descendents of Lillith.  Apparently C.S. Lewis had
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>heard of Lillith from somewhere.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

C S Lewis was inspired (in part) by George MacDonalds writings eg. 
"Lillith"  and "Phantases" two fascinating works.

>
>Again, this is only my $0.02 worth, so no flames.  Thanks.






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pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz	tel: (04)801-3281
"Hey don't shoot me man, I'm just a graceful slow dancer, 
I'm just a dream, not real to you at all" Bruce Cockburn
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:42:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct05.173842.20056@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>In article <fletch.717982508@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>>	
>>	Okay, granted, there ARE people who are derranged enough to believe
>>that they ARE vampires.  Therefore, they have an affinity for blood.  And,
>>there are people who have UV sensitive skin which forces them to never go out
>>during the day without proper protection.  HOWEVER, there is no such thing as
>>an "undead" creature which will live eternally unless a stake is planted in
>>it's heart!  It is fantasy and it should remain there!
>      Prove it.  Come back when you have conclusive evidence of
>the non-existence of vampires.

Once again -- please prove to us first that there is a vampire. We can't
prove a negative, and you're the one wanting to claim that we should believe
in things that go against biological observation.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: The Boring Debate Continues (Was: Re: Vampire Victims Needed...)
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:33:27 GMT
 <1992Oct07.210648.4549@microsoft.com> <21075@plains.NoDak.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu's message of 9 Oct 92 04:34:15 GMT

In article <21075@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

   I did claim that, by using Occam's Razor and observations of Earthly
   biology, you could make a very good claim that the odds of them
   existing are so very small ...

You can't claim anything useful about the odds of vampires existing.
Given the set of phenomena which we observe, there is an infinite set of
possible realities behind the phenomena.  You can partition this infinite
set of possible realities into two subsets: those realities that have
vampires and those that don't.  Thus, the odds of vampires existing are
infinity to infinity.  In other words, it is useless to speak of the odds
of them existing.

   ... you could safely say that they do not exist ...

Whether you can say this with safety has nothing to do with whether it is
true.

-- 
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
From: d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen)
Subject: Re: Lumley's Necroscope series
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.183540.6416@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:

   Let's Talk

   Necroscope
   Vamphyrii
   The Source 
   Deadspeak
   Deadspawn

					   --Judex--

and Vampire World 1: The blood brothers.
				/Magnus Hulthen
				d86-emh@nada.kth.se
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:49:41 GMT

In article <61790001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
|>               Please answer these 9 questions and return.
|> 
|> 1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
|> Yes                  [ ]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|> Haven't heard enough [ ]
|> Other                [ ]
|> 
|> 2.) Are you pro choice?
|> Yes                  [ ]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|
|> 
|> 8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
|> Democratic         [ ]
|> Republican         [ ]
|> Other              [ ]
|> 


|>etc... deleted


what does this have to do with vampires.  


		PLEASE DONT DISCUSS THIS IN VAMPIRES

				I enjoy choosing how to waste my time...
				and I dont want to waste it reading abortion
				commentaries.
From: kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Tale of the Body Thief
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:58:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct15.201240.3107@colorado.edu> baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
>	I am surprised that no one has posted a review of Anne Rices newest
>book. I am about half way through it and I must say that I was dissapointed
>at first, but it is starting to get interesting. In my opinion it is
>not nearly as rich or interesting as any of the others. How about the opinion of others ?
>
>
I have anxiously awaited the release of this book and went and bought it as
soon as it was available.  I'm almost done with the third one (100 odd pages
or so to go..) and so far this is what I thought of the series.

I think that the second book is by far the best.  It chronicles the history
of vampirism (in Anne Rice's opinion at least) and digs deep into the 
character of Lestat.  IMO, I think that if I ever re-read the series again,
I'll start with the second and then read Interview.  The story of Interview
can only be enriched with the knowledge of the first book.  The third book
isn't as great as the first two.  I'm enjoying it immensely, but it isn't the
same as the first two.  Queen jumps around way to much and doesn't let the 
reader get totally inside any of the characters like Lestat did.  It still is
very entertaining and Maharet's history is fascinating.  However, I think that
Anne Rice has taken a good thing and over-killed it.  Yes it's good, but
it's losing that special uniqueness it had in the beginning.

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
                  ********************************************
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: braker@fraser.sfu.ca (Colin Frederick Dale Braker)
Subject: Help: Desperately in need of assistance!!!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: ?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:15:58 GMT

A few weeks ago I read an extended reading and movie list that was posted.
I am a fourth year communication student writing a paper on popular 
culture - specifically, vampires and their following.  I would appreciate
it if the author of the list would E-Mail it to me ASAP, or if anyone who
downloaded it could do the same, thanx!!
Has anyone out there written a similar paper?
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to approach it?
Any suggestions for sources?
Any help would be appreciated!!!    Thank You!!

P.S.  If this is a repeat post then please ignore it.  This is my first
time posting to NetNews and I don't know if the first one went through!
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: 911087e@ace.acadiau.ca (JOHN ANTHONY ENZINAS)
Subject: Re: WATER
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:17:09 GMT

In article <s5np_7g@lynx.unm.edu> haro@carina.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:
>From: haro@carina.unm.edu (..KANEDA..)
>Subject: WATER
>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:21:53 GMT
>I give up?
>
>Why cant VAMPYRES cross running water?
>
>
>RICK
>
no body fat. too much enegry is expended keeping the body afloat so swimming 
too counter productive....
maybe
then again they could hold their breath :[

johnny vague
From: bv531@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Beverly J. Tesler)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: light fluff
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:51:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings night travellers...while I must admit that some of the
tangents here are giving me a headache<exist/not exist...cthulhu...
where the scriptures are from, etc> I enjoy this board very much, and thought I would try to get a little feed-back on a poem of mine...all opinions
are welcome!!   :-[~


   Night's Love

Your hand on the back of my neck
Is cool, dry and firm.
I tremble, feeling your strength.

We kiss, and your clean scent
Envelops me, stirs me.

My tongue traces one of your fangs
Cool, sharp, and deadly;
But only if you wish it so.

You draw breath in response
To one of your dark yearnings,
And pull away from me.

I bring you closer,
Bare my throat to your
Unreadable, dark eyes.

I sense your tremble,
I can taste your need.
I am yours, I say.

Your lips caress my neck,
Like the petals of flowers,
Or butterfly's wings.

I wait, hungering for
Your dark fulfillment.

And it is done, your
Keen teeth pierce my vein,
Draw out what you need.

Silently, you leave me,
Your scent lingering,
As my tearsstain
The cool sheets.


			ARGENT

-- 
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// When you walk along the Darkened Road // Beverly J. Tesler  //
// Look back -- You will see my Shadow!! //  Cymoril SheWolf   //
///////////////////////////////////////////////// bv531 /////////
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Re: "prove there is a vampire" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Int...)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:34:11 GMT

In article <JBW.92Oct10192645@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes:
>In article <21024@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>
>   Once again -- please prove to us first that there is a vampire.
>
>Once again, you fail to realize that it is impossible to prove anything
>about reality, and thus blather on asking for proofs.
>
>--  It is not impossible to prove anything about reality, although it is
  much easier to disprove reality.  Since nobody has stepped forward to
  disprove the existence of vampires, we may state that it is possible
  that vampires exist.

     As nobody has stepped forward to offer any actual evidence of the
  existence of vampires (in the Anne Rice or Dracula sense of the term)
  we may safely say that it is PROBABLE that vampires do not exist.

     The difference between probable and possible are very real and have
  the utmost relevance to this argument.  Suffice it to say that those
  who back the probable non-existence of vampires have the upper hand to date.
  Until some evidence which contradicts the theory that there are no vampires
  surfaces, the theory that there are no vampires must hold sway over the 
  population that wishes to allow logic to govern.  

      This is offered with a word of caution:  Logic is not a necessary     
  element of everyone's world view.  It is merely a sufficient element of 
  of the world view of many.

      Lastly, I share this account with my friend, so do not send e-mail to
  flame me...she reads the mail...I write the opinions.  Don't stuff her
  mailbox for my opinions.   Post to this board and I will see it!

                                        Glenn.
 
>Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>