From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Anti-AR movie goers - Please read
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:49:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:

`From article <swood.722017047@vela>, by swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG):
`sw> Oh no - here we go again.  And I suppose that you feel that your 
`sw> arguements on my private views of Jane Fonda's involvement in 
`sw> Vietnam as well as the tangents you have spun it off into on 
`sw> historical debate of the conflict relate to animals-rights 
`sw> discussions?  

`I realize that you don't think non-human animals should be 
`allowed to live their lives without the fear created by human 
`technology.

Oh, I am sure that prior to the season, all the deer, bunnies and squirrels
in the woods are still in serious need of counseling from an animal quack
just do to the residual trauma from the previous season.  Get real.

How is a bunch of hunters running around with guns any different then a bunch
of campers running around with RV's and boom boxes?  Or how are people walking
through woods in the act of hunting any different from hiker's, power walkers
or activists busy trying to "convert & inform" hunters or scare game with
pots and pans?

If you had ever gotten out in the woods and spent some time sitting still
(instead of trying to attract press attention as most AR-heads do) instead
of sitting in front of your computer all day trying to get your rocks off
by being numero uno post-idiot on t.p.a then perhaps you might learn something
that you couldn't possibly otherwise learn from your books and multiple
references.
Witnessed by me personally many times, as well as by other hunters (any
hunters or nature freaks please respond) - deer are less traumatized and
less noticeably effect by the sound of a gun-shot then they are by:

	Human or other predatory animal scent(s)
	Automobile sounds and smells
	Sight of a human or something else out of the ordinary

I would fathom that this is because animals equate the sound of a gun with
sounds like thunder or distant cars.  Animals will get startled by a close
by gun shot, but this can only be expected as the effect on the ear drums
is quite more noticeable (sound pressure) at close range.
As for fear on animals...  as I have already stated, most animals will not
really pay attention to gun shots, and fear from humans and other predators
is a constant instinct that stopping hunting will not prevent.  If in fact
it is the fear of pain you are worried about, when an animal is shot, it
usually dies!  There will be no lingering fear in those instances.
If in fact a hunter is a slob hunter, and wounds animals indiscriminantly
without using the animals or making sure that they are dead, they get no
endorsement or sympathy when I, or the DNR finds them doing so....

`  How about dark-skinned human animals on the other 
`side of the world?  Should they have the right to adopt religions 
`and economic systems of their own choosing?  Or do they need 
`"right-thinking" folks like you to dictate the conduct of their 
`lives?  

Your discussions on this topic had nothing to do with whether or not
it was right or wronge to enforce beliefs or political systems on other
people.  You were harping on points of fact and my opinions of individuals.

NOT ANIMAL RIGHTS - read your own posts some times Russell!
`> Yeah right...

`Right.

`-- 
`Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
`russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
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