HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mkelly@twain.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: R.A.C's still here?!?  What have I missed?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:43:33 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>
>Have I missed something here?
>
>I quit r.a.c altogether shortly after the reorganization was implemented.
>With the newsreader I have access to, it just wasn't worth the trouble
>to read three groups seaching for the paltry amount of posts that discuss
>comics I still collect.
>
>I managed to hold in questions about CEREBUS and SANDMAN and thought I
>had finally gotten over r.a.c, in the way one gets over a girlfriend who
>either dies or goes psycho on you.

You've had these lovely experiences too, eh?

>But both rec.arts.comics and rec.arts.comics.misc are still here!  I
>know there's a lag time before the old groups disappear, but this is
>ridiculous!  I think it's been nearly a month since I left.
>
>Have I missed something?  Is the reorganiztion being contested?  I can
>only hope.

	Surely this is a job for the Legion of Net Heroes! It seems that
we have awoken to find trapped in a newsgroup that we never made! Now
the question is, are we the same LNH, but in a different universe, or are
there *two* sets of the LNH, one of which might be clones?

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw )
Subject: Re: Marvel History
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:42:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.165351.3859@ohm.york.ac.uk> dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen) writes:
>
>  I've been given the unenviable (if not impossible) task of defining the
>history of the Marvel Universe. Cap.America's appearance, that sort of
>thing. Problem is, the only Marvel titles I regularly subscribe to are the
>X-titles (sad, but true!), consequently my information resources are small
>and...well...inherently inconsistent.
>  Is there anyone in possession of a structured Marvel history out there
>(grease grease grease!!!)
>            DC



I would suggest finding the Marvel Saga, a 25 issue series that highlights
the history of the Marvel Universe from FF #1 and Tales to Astonish #1, etc
up through about 1967. It is presented in chronlogical order of when things
happened, not necessarily when the issues came out. The series details
the originsmajor Marvel teams, good guys, bad guys, etc. that were part
of the Marvel Universe at the very begiining. Issue 24 concentrates solely
on Galactus, issue 25 is on the Silver Surfer. A pretty good intro to
the Marvel Universe--came out in 1986 I believe. 


-- 
-p. minutillo

"Go-go gadget copter!.....No,no--NOT gadget roller skates!..AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!"
    ---Inspector Gadget (from just about every Inspector Gadget episode!)
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Comix mailing list???
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:33:00 GMT


Well, since I got such a WONDERFUL response last time (i.e. 0), I thought 
I'd try again..

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THE COMIX MAILING LIST (i.e. the mailing list that 
was created for the discussion of alternative comix) STILL EXISTS???

IF SO, CAN SOMEONE EMAIL ME THE ADDRESS???

Thank you.


Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca

(Christ, I hate lowering myself to the ALL CAPS level...)


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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Spidey 2099
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:47:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.195113.20409@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.165506.14551@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stailey@comm.mot.com writes:
>>
>> From what I remember... Peter told us at the Chicago Comicon that
>> the new Spiderman will gain his powers from some kind of genetic
>> experimentation. He will also be mutating from time to time. The 
>> real interesting thing is that his webs do not come from shooters
>> rather they ooze from the pores in his body. The book is written
>> by Peter David with art by Rick Leonardi. 
>>
>
>I think for the sake of realism, Spiderman of 2099 should shoot
>out his webs from the bottom of the abdomen in the same manner
>a spider does.
>
Well, there's three problems with the above.  The first has to do with
"for the sake of realism."  Comics, no matter how you slice it, are just
not "real."  The second is minor, but should be noted for those who are 
interested in a "realistic" comic.  The "webs out of the butt" was done
in Marshall Law takes Manhattan, an excellent look at a what if world, as
in what if powers had to follow "reality."  Thus we have a Mr. Fantastic
who, to stretch, must break the bone, move it apart, and then regrow 
it.  With all the resulting pain, of course.  Trust me, webs from the 
abdomen is just plain stupid-looking.]
	Finally, we come to the core, which is that for Spiderman to be
real, he must shoot webbing from the abdomen.  This is true for the first,
but as I understand it, Spiderman is a product of genetic engineering, a
science accelelrated 100 years beyond our meagre knowledge.  We know today
that when the HIV virus invades the body, it enters the body's lymph nodes, and
rewrites their DNA, making them HIV factories, rather than immune system 
factories.  Scraping this gem from the horror that is AIDS, we can take "
"Useless" and redundant organs, and rewrite them with new instructions.  
The appendix producing insulin in a diabetic.  Some lymph nodes being rewired
for adrenalin.  The possibilities are limitless.  Is horse adrenalin better
than human?  Rewrite for horse!  The supersoldier is not such a far-fetched 
idea.  To get back to the point, we can take SM 2099's sweat glands, and
rewrite them for spinnerets.  Instant webbing.  Sure it's all in the future,
but when you have 100 years, anything is possible.  

-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_
From: dg@heroes.UUCP (Dark Ghost)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Galactus's Herald's Rebel: MARVEL
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 18:04:54 CDT
Organization: The Inn Of Heroes.  Public Access UUCP BBS.

> Either that or Marvel should rewrite it so Galactus doesn't
> create these Herald's who goes against him.
> 
> Just a thought.  What does everyone else think?


        Well, Fred, the reason Galactus creates herald's is to find 
planets he can eat, but usually becomes attached to them.  The Silver 
Surfer was having a ball until Galactus needed to eat earth.  Galactus 
has even prefered some herald's company over others.  Marvel is very 
distinct in making Galactus a force of the universe, but not an 
impersonable one. 
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From: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System)
Subject: Calvin & Hobbes (by Watterson)
Summary: Calvin & Hobbes	 
Reply-To: jota@iguana.UUCP (Joao Pedro Martins)
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA, PORTUGAL.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:58:20 GMT

	Can anyone tell me names of books published by Watterson ?
	(Calvin & Hobbes, the most hilarious comics in the world *EVER*)

	(Of course, the above is just an opinion...)

*----------------------------------------------------------*
| Joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal                     |
|                                                          |	
| "It's not the kill... It's the THRILL of the chase..."   |
| "F*** !" - Jean Claude Van Damme, "Cyborg"               |
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Image vs Good Old Kirby Days and other ramblings
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:43:16 GMT

First, before I go into my main rant, I'd like to say that based on 
Dragonforce, I don't think much of Keown's writing.  Maybe he's improved, maybe
not.  I'll probably buy PITT because I really like his art, and perhaps be 
surprised by his writing.  Perhaps PAD has been tutoring him.
     Okay, on to the main loose aggregate of points tied by a more-or-less 
recognizeable string.  IMO, the best thing about Kirby et al in the 50s and 60s
was that they were doing something that had never been done before in comic 
books.  They brought fresh ideas and styles to the medium.  That is what made 
them great.  As far as I can tell, there is nothing really new or fresh about 
Image.  The artists haven't changed their styles, and so far only established 
artists are getting in to the fold.  They aren't really changing the medium.  
Likewise, the various attempts by DeFalco and Frenz to recapture the old Kirby 
Glory in Thor (and by just DeFalco in FF) have failed because they copy the 
wrong part of Jack&Stan's work.  The details of the stories seem hackneyed and 
the designs stupid seen through modern eye, but the freshness of them enables 
them to transcend these flaws.  The slavish copies of the old style fo writing 
and drawing lack the originality of Kirby's stuff, and only get the bad 
elements.  Even Kirby's own later stuff (IMO) was poor because he didn't 
change, or do anything differently.
     What made the Good Old Days *good* was the fact that lots of new things 
happened.  Even the best artwork of today isn't as impressive, because it is 
simply a further refinement of what has gone before.  Comics are like current 
physics...we haven't had a major shakeup in decades, so even the most brilliant
participant today is nowhere near as famous as the guys who were doing it when 
all new stuff was being discovered.  Whoever gets the ball rolling will always 
have a bigger role in history than someone who only added a push.
     Dave Van Domelen, wishes for a major shakeup in *either* physics or comics
within the next decade
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles (Jester)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:39:50 GMT
Organization: UB

This is going completely from memory, but this is the creative teams on the
titles:

Spiderman 2099:
 	Peter David & Rick Leonardi

Punisher 2099:
	Pat Mills & Artist I forgot

DOOM 2099: 
	John Francis Moore and Pat Broderick

Ravage 2099:
	Stan Lee and various Artists.

Pat Mills did Marshall Law ( which I personally didn't like so I won't pick
up Punisher)

Since I'm a Broderick fan, I'll pick up at least the first issue of Doom.  But
does anybody know who John Francis Moore is?

						Jim Perreault
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:51:14 -0400 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: !mpact postmortem

Yeah, today, for the last time, I picked up an !mpact book.

I know that the line isn't being cancelled, it's being "revamped," but I
can't bring myself to read any more.

When they first started, I was impressed with a few of their books.
While Legend of the Shield (and to a lesser extent, the Fly) was very
formula, Comet, Jaguar, and especially Black Hood looked to have great
potential. The Web did, too, but that's a slightly separate issue...

Unfortunately, the books didn't live up to their potential. The
characterization in the Comet was terrible! Here we have a guy whose
parents have suddenly gone missing, and he barely finds time to think
about it? The Black Hood could've been a great psychological book...
from early descriptions that I heard, I thought that they were going to
use it as a vehicle to explore "heroism" as a concept, and the ethics of
being a vigilante. Instead, we were treated to a mixture of teen angst
from Nate Cray and some lame supervillians.

The Jaguar was the only one that came close to living up to its
promise... in fact, I think there's still hope. Too bad it's getting the
axe.

Later, they came up with the Crusaders. It looked bad from the start...
generic filler featuring doofy team-ups. Yup, that's what it turned out
to be.

The Web... it could've been a lot of things. They could've done some
interesting stories with the idea of a somewhat outmoded branch of a
government intelligence agency left over from the 60s. The could've used
it as a way of exploring "background" issues in their other books. They
could've even done a generic superhero team book with bunches of people
in web-armor. Instead, they did a little of each and none of it very
well.

The summer annuals were very indicative of where the line was/is going.
That is, no where at all. Lame lame lame premise... ya know, if there's
nothing interesting happening, you don't _have_ to have a crossover.
Really. It's a pretty stunning concept to most comic universes, but hey.

It looks like they started out with some good ideas, but pushed them too
hard and too fast. I would've been much happier if they hadn't started
pushing early to have the heroes meet each other so they could form a
super-team book real quick-like. 

From what I've seen/heard about their upcoming books, they won't be
worth it. Not even close.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: mikebcg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes (by Watterson)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 21:59:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.155820.17563@inesc.pt> jota@iguana.UUCP (Joao Pedro Martins) writes:
>	Can anyone tell me names of books published by Watterson ?
>	(Calvin & Hobbes, the most hilarious comics in the world *EVER*)
>
>	(Of course, the above is just an opinion...)
Heh, it's my opinion too :)

They are, in this order:

Calvin and Hobbes
Somehing under the bed is drooling
Yukon Ho!
Weirdos from another planet!
Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons
The Revenge of the Baby-sat

Then there are 3 or 4 collections (Like the Garfield treasuries I think).
I just know 2 of them. They are:

The Authoritative Calvin and Hobbes
and The Calvin and Hobbes Lazy Sunday Book.

Lazy Sunday is a collection of the Sunday strips and nothing else.
Don't spend too much in one place. :)

Mikel B.
"Its not the mileage, its the make." - Cain


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: WILDC.A.T.S.?!?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.191755.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:
>I've reread WILDC.A.T.S., and came up to the conclusion that it seems I've
>jumped into the middle of a long running story. They have a lot of history
>before them, and these time-slips are confusing me as well. Otherwise, it pretty
>seems much coherent, and does show promise more than what Youngblood would ever
>do. Also, look in page 4, panel 1, there's a box of X-Men comics stacked
>alongside with the trash next to the dwarf. Jim Lee, we all can take the hint
>that X-Men are trash now... ;)
>Todd Elliott
>11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
>11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)


There's also some other stuff there, like a 'Future Site of Image Comics' sign,
'CYBER'-something written on something, I presume this is supposed to be
CYBERFORCE, and a couple of boxes with 'Miller Beer' and 'Mazzi... Candy' (sorry
can't remember the guy's full name...you get the idea though). There seem to be 
a few references to X-Men too, such as a 'Dr. McCoy', and I'm *sure*  that
I can see Storm dancing in the background of one of the strip club panels...I've
probably missed some other stuff too. 
I must say I enjoyed it in a kind of trashy-X-Men kind of way. It looks quite
fun, more enjoyable than recent X-Men issues anyway. I'll certainly give the
next couple of issues a chance.

Mike

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From: blazekm@a.cs.okstate.edu (Blazek Michael W)
Subject: Re: Valiant, hello anyone out there?
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:35:01 GMT

From article <BsyHLo.8vn@news.udel.edu>, by lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler):
> 
> already i have seen a noticable dip in quality following the 
> 'Unity' Crossover series...
> 
> -morgan

I hope you are including the whole Unity thing as a 
"dip in quality". Valiant's claim that you didn't have
to read each part (i.e. that each comic was an independent
work) was utter BULL. Just when Shadowman and A&A were
getting interesting they get sucked into Unity.
What as waste Unity was - and a gimmicky one at that!
I would have rather seen some more character development
(like Shadowman's abilities / is he a vamp?) than the
B.S. I got. I gave up on Valiant during Unity . . . 
maybe now that it is over I will start picking some
Valiant stuff up again.

*BLAZE*
blazekm@a.cs.okstate.edu

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From: Mr_b
Subject: Re: Bwah-ha-ha-ha!
Organization: LMSC
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 02:58:55 GMT

Based on the subject line and then the two paragraphs about scooping
up silver age comics, I thought for sure that you had gotten a copy
of a 1960's DC Showcase featuring Bwana-Beast.

Even your .sig would fit that.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: 2099 Titles
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:31:48 GMT

Marvel Age #117 will explore the Marvel Universe 2099 and introduce 
the four new futuristic titles.

-- 
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight)
Subject: Re: RAC CLOSING SEPT 30
Reply-To: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:40:17 GMT



Like a previous noter, I am also relatively new to the net.  If rec.art.comics
is closing, then what is the alternative?  Or is it rec.art.comics.misc?

(and, if someone cares to reply by mail, what's the difference between .comics
and .comics.misc?)
--
Midnight
midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com
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From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SHADE/DOOM PATROL/HELP!!!!
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:01:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug15.090159.17023
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug14.223238.1815@bvc.edu> daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:
>      Shade the Changing Man is one of the best books I've ever read,  
IMHO.
>

I agree.  At times it's better than Sandman.
 
>      I wasn't sure if I should buy it or not when I first saw it. I'm  
currently
> trying to collect the entire Doom Patrol series (and am looking for all  
the
> Doom Patrol's guest appearances, also. I know there was a cameo in "The
> Extinction Agenda" in JLI, and if anyone knows any others, please tell  
me!)

The current DP has never appeared in JLI (unless you count a one panel  
cameo by the Chief in a JLE issue).  "The Extinction Agenda"?  Isn't that  
the new X-men money waster (oops, I mean brilliant crossover).  You may  
mean Breakdowns.
 
>      I'm now on # 14 and am hooked (fish police...hooked...never mind.).
> I just need to know, are there any other Shade fans out there?
> If so, tell me! If not, tell me why! I need to know if it gets better,  
or does 
> it bomb towards the current issue?  Backtracking is an expensive habit,  
and the
> Doom Patrols alone are expensive enough. 

If you're not sick of the American Scream story by #14, then you're  
probably in for the long run.  I think it's been getting better and better  
since #18. 
> 
>      BTW, what are the future plans for the Doom Patrol?
> I read that only one member survives this current storyline, and if it's  
not
> Cliff, I will be P.O.'ed something fierce. I mean, it was bad enough  
killing
> off Rebis. Jane's next, right? As for the Chief, Doom Force be Chucked, 

It would seem from Doom Force that it's Dorothy Spinner who survives.   It  
might be argued that, technically, Cliff is now dead since his brain has  
been destroyed.

Michael J. Winston
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SS Movie (was Re: Mike Jittlov)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:21:37 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Aug19.160018.17148@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.014358.8937@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>>Trust me though, Mike'd be perfect for Suicide Squid: The Motion Picture
>>once the concept gets explained to him.

>Yes, yes, *YES*.  Just the right sense of warped humor.  *And* everyone
>knows the *best* SS tees were the Green ones. . .

Will Msr Goldfarb be repeating his role from the stage show?

Those who are cool know that the grim and gritty black SS t-shirts were
the only ones that did justice to the Dark Water Detective.
--
 Lance "The Weasel" Smith  | "He which brings no hustle to this game
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Let him depart; his waivers will be cleared,
  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V
From: 860099w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Worst Comic Books of All Time
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:29:12 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

And speaking of the worst comic books of all time... everyone
should check out WORLD'S WORST COMIC BOOK AWARDS #1 and #2 from
Kitchen Sink Press.  Published last year.

Marty
-- 
marty.ward@acadiau.ca :
[comix snob - Apple IIe owner - Duelmasters player - vi user]

 ...because after reading CEREBUS, everthing else is just comics.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang)
Subject: Image
Summary: Complaints
Organization: Columbia Business School
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:40:42 GMT

Does anyone else besides me think that Shadow Hawk is the biggest piece of 
junk to hit the market? I thought promos (lik the one in Youngblood) were 
supposed to make you buy the book. Looking at what is was, the art stunk and 
the writing was the biggest cliche I've ever read. I think issue #1 looked 
even worse. Then I was fooled into getting Brigade where Liefield trys to
co-plot with an artist who is a Liefield wanna-be (which I think is an 
oxymoron). And finally, what happened to the Spawn-Violator fight that we 
were promised after Spawn #2. It disappeared in Spawn #3. I'm starting to 
get disillusioned with Image.

-Chris
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From: gdg023@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Vicky Wayman)
Subject: DC HISTORY
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:46:28 GMT


How about a DC history and is RAC closing - whats the new name?
-- 
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