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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: FMW (was Re: The Sheik an
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:22:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Eric,

  >k's blood, but here's an interesting thought:  The Sheik is still going
  >>at age 61, wrestling for the extremely violent shoot promotion Frontier

FMW, while violent, is not a shoot style promotion.  It is actually on
the other end of the spectrum.

Mark,

MC>In the Observer, I read about these FMW matches involving Atushi Onita where
  >the ring is wrapped with explosive barb wire, the ring is electrified, the r
  >is on fire, barb wire covers the ring mat.  These matches sound
  >very dangerous.  Has anyone seen any of these matches?  If so, what really
  >happens?

FMW matches are basically juicefests, at least the main events.  On the
undercard, there are usually some young, OK workers who are not good
enough to make All or New Japan, and some FMW women, who are nowhere
near good enough to work for the All Japan Women.  Onita cuts himself
more, and in more places on his body, than anyone I have ever seen.

Quite frankly though, once you get past the blood and gimmicks, FMW
cards are generally pretty poor.

MC>I also hear that Atsuhi Onita, who I guess my be the promoter, during matche
  >has been been stabbed with a knife by Jose Gonzales and slashed with a sword
  >by Tiger Jeet.  Is this guy crazy or what?

A certifiable lunatic.  He used to wrestle for New Japan in the
lightheavyweight division.  He had a bad knee injury though and it
severely hampered his mobility.  He then started his own group, with
this new style.
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . A bird in the hand is better than one overhead.
From: aa519@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF: Are We Stupid?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 11:28:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa519@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith)
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In a previous article, dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) says:

>Boy does Vince think that we are stupid. Bringing back Smash as Repo Man was 
>o.k. because Repo Man has short hair has a mask etc - so you could fail to 
>recognize him. Bringing back Crush as Crush and expecting people not to 
>remember 2 years back is a little less plausiable. But now he all of a sudden 
>has a thick Hawaian accent. Where did that come from? He didn't have it last 
>month. Then we get the Comet Kid who becomes Max - same costume same gimick 
>different names and we are supposed to think that he is someone different.
>


Also, Lets not forget The Undertaker, making his debut at the Survivor
Series, on Ted's "Million Dollar Team" as "Cain, The Undertaker", and The
Berzerker also debuted as the Viking.


 
-- 
The Last thing we look at, is the color of skin.
The first thing we notice is the beauty within.
We shall be free.                                  -Garth Brooks
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: FMW (thanks Hisaharu)
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



   I want to say thanks to Hisaharu for the mind-boggling post on the
structure of wrestling in Japan.  It was extrememly confusing, because
the way all the promotions seem to be related clouds the picture.  Still,
it was the most informative post I've seen on Japanese wrestling.  I'm
very glad somebody took time out to explain it.  Another question: Am I
to understand that PWF and IWGP aren't really promotions, just "departments"
of All-Japan and New Japan?

*********************************************************
Eric M. Chmiel*******************************************
*********************************************************
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Bob Backlund
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:57:26 GMT

In <Bw2EpM.18A@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:


>>PWI) that Vince wanted him to dye his hair black and become a
>>rule-breaker. Because he didn't want to do that, he left the WWF.

>just wanted to point something out.  Backlund's claim that McMahon wanted
>him to dye his hair and turn heel was not an angle, nor was it a "mark" 
>rumour.  That was the truth.  It is also true that Backlund left the WWF 
>because, as he said (again this is not an angle), he did not want his kids
>seeing him on TV with dyed hair making a fool of himself.  He did not want to

Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like it was an "angle." I realized it
was the "truth".

But I do remember seeing it in PWI somewhere, that Vince asked him to
do that.

Now...I wonder what brought Vince's change of heart?

Michael
From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Need Clash of the Champions information
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:31:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: UTXVM.16879A213.OP2
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

I was wondering if the trivia experts out there could help me with
a problem I've got.  I have the last Clash of the Champions recorded
on videocassette, the one with the first (and one match in the second)
round of the NWA Tag Team Tournament.
 
My question is:
 
What Clash number was this?  (Clash number 16?  Clash 13?  WHAT?)
 
I'd like to see a list of all the Clashes with some of the matches that
were held on each Clash listed on the net.   Can anyone help me with
this?
 
Also, if anyone has these old Clashes on videocassette, would you be
willing to copy them for me or possibly trade?  (My collection is small,
but maybe I have something you don't...)
 
Chrispy thanks you in advance.
 
 
Christopher Palacios
chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
"When you're the World's Heavyweight Champion, that means you're the World's
Heavyweight Champion." - Bill Watts
From: rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Title Change
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:13:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct15.155035.29676@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH) writes:
>		On to Sgt Slaughter... Does anyone think with the "law
>	and order" crap , the Backlund push, and the appearence of 
>	de-steriodization of the WWF that McGreedy is trying to clean up
>	his image a bit?
>

        No, I think he's getting desperate.  Attendance at house shows is
  way down (except for Europe) and in some places, attendance is pretty
  close to WCW levels.  The rating for TV shows is at all-time lows too
  which is probably why there have been so many name vs. name matches on
  PrimeTime Wrestling lately.  I think he's trying to win back older fans
  who have been turned off by all the lame gimmicks.
        I don't know if the Backland push will work, Bob Backlund was a
  major star for the WWWF a regional promotion in the Northeast. Will
  his return interest fans outside of the Northeast who never saw him
  wrestle in his prime?  Will it interest the 6-10 year old WWF set?
  He's not a wrestler who makes you "ooh" and "aah" watching him work
  in the ring and he's not exactly an exciting interview either.  His
  return pails in comparison to the WWF signing Ric Flair last year
  and except for his series with Hogan last year, Flair hasn't been
  able to attract more interest to the WWF and put more fans in the
  seats.

  -Rob C. 

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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: R.I.P. The Survivor Series
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:42:11 EDT

I have the feeling that Vince is looking to phase out the Survivor
Series format of four-on-four, total elimination matches.

This may have to do with the fact that the Series was almost a total
botch-up last year, with the main event essentially turning into a
three-man tag match and the first-card match decided by disqualification.

I'm pretty certain that if someone were to look at the audience stats
for the Whiff's four premiere events, the Survivor Series would rank as
the lowest audience rating.  Simply put, putting four wrestlers together
who rarely worked together before looks good on paper but tends to
fizzle in practice,

Naturally Vince wants a major WWF event for the fall (Royal Rumble for
the winter, Wrestlemania for the spring, etc.) but if ratings are any-
thing to go by he won't stay with the Survivor format long.  While he
could try some of the WCW gimmicks for major events (the lottery tag-
team, Wheel of Misfortune, etc.) I think he's more likely to go for a
traditional major match card a la Wrestlemania or SummerSlam.

The Bandwidth Mountie
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                     vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca
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From: murray@husc8.harvard.edu (Brendan Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: A Title Change in CANADA???
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:26:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct15.162644.16421
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>In <abick.719172030@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>
>>Until now, I believe that that has been true. Can anyone tell me of
>>another time/place where a title changed here in the north. Excluding the
>>Wrestlmania at the Sky Dome of course. That was PAY PER VIEW and could
>>attract the U.S. audience!
>
I'm pretty sure that Greg Valentine beat El Santanador for the IC title 
on a television taping in Canada.  Can't tell you what city, though.

--Chris,
  still refusing to believe that a title change happened until verified
  by Herb (hey, today's Thursday, isn't it?) or Meltzer. 
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From: ckennedy@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy)
Subject: Re: Separated at birth.....
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:51:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.042156.12611@oz.plymouth.edu> d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) writes:
>In the tradition of Spy magazine, and for those rspw'ers who follow hockey:
>
>Separated at birth:
>
>Former WWF champ Bob Backlund (Esp. in those old clips) and
>
>Boston Bruins All-Star defenseman Glen Wesley.
>
What about Jim Ross and Rush Limbah (sp?) talk about identicle sons of different
mothers.

Chris
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Separated at birth.....
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:31:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Oct15.042156.12611@oz.plymouth.edu> d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) writes:

>In the tradition of Spy magazine, and for those rspw'ers who follow hockey:

>Separated at birth:

>Former WWF champ Bob Backlund (Esp. in those old clips) and

>Boston Bruins All-Star defenseman Glen Wesley.

I've suggested this one before....

Current WWF head-breaker Crush and country achy-breaky Billy Ray Cyrus

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.154028.7977@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
> Fujinami in 1991?  Was that an NWA recognized, but not WCW recognized?
> Or was it just an "unofficial" title change?

  I think that New Japan always considered and advertised these matches
  as legitimate title changes.  In North American, we got the DQ angle
  stuff.
                                                                  Herb...
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Question to Daryl Turner regarding Winnipeg TV taping
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:55:03 GMT

Daryl:

Were Vince and Hennig actually broadcasting from the back of the
arena, as depicted on this week's Superstars, or was that image
matting?

The reason I ask is that often you see the two of them from their
little booth behind the crowd, but it was only at the Ottawa taping
last year where Flair & Piper got into it that I actually saw their
broadcast table from more than the standard over-the-shoulder shot.

And were people as bored as they looked regarding Lance Cassidy? 

Michael
From: art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Hart Bros?
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:23:57 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Yeah, that's legit!
And when the Steiners turn up, let's have a real family feud.
Although I wouldn't want the Poffos vs. the Harts, not would I consider
the Beverly Sisters a family (I hear on the FAQ that they're not!).

Lastly, my $0.02 worth on the Midnights sprucing the WWF tags,...
remember what happened when the Midnight Rockers turned up and had the
ability that Cornett's men did ? What happened ? They jobbed often,
featured in opening matches and never won a title.

And then, this Shawn Michaels angle.

Seesh.

I think the same would happen to Eaton and Lane.
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Intercontinnental defenses
Keywords: Interpretation
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:40:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


  I believe that the INTERcontinental champion would his defend his title
in any of the continents.  THe INTRAcontinental champion (if he existed)
would be restricted to defending it within North America, or on whatever
continent the federation exists on.

  However, this also brings up the discussion of the "television champion"
verus the "television/pay per view champion."

                                           Fippster 6
From: shess@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: USWA/WWF Notes
Keywords: USWA/WWF
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:58:59 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University


       Contrary to what was reported earlier in this group, the WWF is still
  shown on the local ABC affiliate here in Memphis. The WWF also continues
  to have periodic cards at the Pyramid in Memphis. The next card will
  be Saturday, October 31st. The biggest match of local interest will be
  Da Mountie vs Jeff Jarrett (of the USWA). In case you missed it, Jarrett
  attended the last WWF card in Memphis and entered the ring to challenge
  Brett Hart over the microphone. Hart accepted the challenge, saying he
  would defend his belt against Jarrett the next time the WWF came to 
  Memphis. Well, we all know what happened to Hart and his belt thus we
  now have Jarrett matched against Da Mountie. Jarrett even had a short
  taped interview on the local version of WWF Superstars.
       On a related topic, the WWF has continued to have a WWF wrestler
  on the card each week in Memphis. So far the Bushwhackers, Sgt.Slaughter,
  and last week Hacksaw Jim Duggan have made appearances at the weekly
  Monday night USWA cards in Memphis. In other words, no one who would
  actually improve the card has been sent down by the WWF. Also, no WWF
  wrestler has appeared more than once. In contrast, many Smokey Mountain
  wrestlers appear regularly in Memphis (Tom Pritchard, The Rock n Roll Express,
  Dutch Mantell, the Dirty White Boy) as well as wrestlers from the Portland
  area (Mean Mike Miller, Brickhouse Brown).
       When I can find more time I will post a report on the Honky Tonk Man,
  Wayne Farris, and what he is up to these days. Anyone care to make a guess?
                                                                       :-) :-)

                                                     Steve Hess
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From: rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones (I'm single and gay...want a date?))
Subject: Re: GWF Bungee Match
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:46:41 GMT

fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:

>  Gettinghome from class early, I turned on the tv and saw Chaz sitting in a 
>cage being lowered by a crane.  The announcers said he had just one the
>first ever "Bungee" match.  The heel then pulled on the bungee chord and Chaz
>fell out of the crane.  But Chaz had grabbed the bungee chord and bounced safely
>until lowered to the ground.  They went on to talk about this and that ("My
>life flashed before my eyes", etc), but never showed any replays.

>  What were the rules?  How does one win?  Who was the other participant?
>Finally, how did Chaz win?

It was a revenge match between Chaz and Steven Dane.  Chaz didn't want his
ex-girlfriend around for  the match and told Akbar that he would sign any
match as long as she wasn't there.  Akbar comes up with the bungee match.
Needless to say, Chaz is terrified by heights, but accepts the match because
he is a real man.  Chaz and Dane are lifted to 175' in the air (yeah...right)
and Dane dominated the match until Chaz pulls on the cord and dumps Dane.
ftp 134.68.61.129
ftp 134.68.61.129
The cord is lowered about half way, and then Dane pulls Chaz out of the cage.
The scream from chaz was priceless....

>  Posts thus far sound like it was more of a gimmick than a good match, but
>curiosity makes me want to know the detials of the match.  Anyone?  Anyone?


>                                        Fippster 6
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: FMW (was Re: The Sheik an
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:03:38 EDT

In article <Bw2uLt.875@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
 
>  I saw an Atsushi Onita vs. Mr. Pogo barbed wire landmine match on the
>  weekend on video.
 
I haven't seen this match, but Onita's willingness to get tied up in
barbed wire is nothing short of amazing (and disgusting).  And what's
the deal with the chairs?  Does Kurisa own part of the chair concession
or what?
 
>  I was at my parents' house for the weekend for Canadian Thanksgiving
>  when I was watching this.  My mom thought that this match (and the
>  WrestleMarinpiad cage match between Bull Nakano & Aja Kong) were the
>  wildest things she'd ever seen.  She loved them.
 
Hmmm. . . .
 
>  I suppose, just like Akira Maeda, he carved his little niche into the
>  Japanese pro-wrestling scene.  Whatever sells.
 
True enough.  But, of course, they wrestle very different styles.  I
find Maeda's style much more interesting. . . .
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: Bob Backlund
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Reply-To: jewell@Data-IO.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:20:22 GMT

In article <Bw2EpM.18A@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
#(Michael Jenkinson) writes...
#
#>>Can some one fill me in on why Bob Backlund left the WWF in the first place?
#> 
#>The important people here can correct me if I'm wrong...
#> 
#>Backlund was going around at the time saying (to mark magazines like
#>PWI) that Vince wanted him to dye his hair black and become a
#>rule-breaker. Because he didn't want to do that, he left the WWF.
#
#   In no way do I claim to be an "important person" in this group, but I

Nor do I.

[snip...snip...snip]

#McMahon simply didn't
#think Backlund's milk and cookies image was worth marketing, so he wanted 
#Backlund to do a heel turn.  Bob refused, so Vince told him goodbye.

I've always been of the opinion that Vince knew what Bob's reaction
to the proposed heel turn would be.  ie, Vince was looking to get rid
of Backlund and his (expected) refusal to do the heel turn gave Vince
the reason to fire Bob.

Think about it. When Vince took control of the WWF, his immediate goal
was to take the (W)WWF nationwide. To do that, he needed marketable, 
charismatic personalities that could pack arenas and provide Vince with
the money he needed to fund his expansion. As far as Vince was/is
concerned, wrestling ability placed a distant second to a wrestlers's 
charisma and marketability. Bob was/is a competent, talented wrestler,
but back then he just didn't have the personality or the gimmick needed
to help carry a federation. 

-- 
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF: Are We Stupid?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:06:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1bjkl3INNaa1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa519@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes:
>Also, Lets not forget The Undertaker, making his debut at the Survivor
>Series, on Ted's "Million Dollar Team" as "Cain, The Undertaker", and The
>Berzerker also debuted as the Viking.

Actually, he was just "The Undertaker" at SS, his alleged "debut."  In
matches shown later, but actually taped earlier, he was "Cain" (Kane?)
for a while.

As for the Bezerker, they actually acknowledged his name change when it
happened, at least in their magazine.

If you pay attention, this happens a lot.  If you watch Prime Time, you
can often see early stages of wrestlers' characters.  They showed some
pretty decent Curt Hennig vs. Terry Taylor matches years back, shortly
before they turned into Mr. Perfect and The Red Rooster.  Incidentally,
Terry Taylor was pretty much an even match for Curt Hennig, but the
Red Rooster was dominated by Mr. Perfect.  Hmmmm....
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From: andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: How to make the WWF better (10 ways if possible)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:13:07 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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In article <2OCT199213503494@cats.ucis.vill.edu> 126580828@cats.ucis.vill.edu (!GENTILE, JOSEPH) writes:
>In article <BvGzFn.9uH@news.udel.edu>, rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) writes...

 >>3. Form a tag team of "The Rocket Owen Hart" and the Comet Kid: Okay, this is
 >>a more feasable idea for Vince.  First off Owen  Hart and Paul Diamond have 
 >>rather similar wrestling styles and each is a name in their own right, and they
 >>are both sort of respected.  Also the names go together rather well-- Comet &
 >>Rocket.
 >
 >NO! NO! Bring back THE ANVIL! Imagine the New Foundation v. The Midnight
 >Express!!!!

I am...  scary thought...  gimme the Anvil from about 5 years ago...
back with the Hart Foundation (still one of my all time fav. teams.)
and put 'em against the express... that'd be good...IMHO...

-- 
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