From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: MUTLU
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:53:57 +0200
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"


In article <7182@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik.T. Winter) writes


>In article <83T8PB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
                                          (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

>> I sent a mail to the postmaster of BERKELEY.EDU and here is his reply:
>> 
>> !!  I don't know why you are writing me about this if this person is from 
>> !!  anadolu.michigan.com.  
>> 

> michigan.com was a public access unix system owned by john palmer (see the
> newsgroup alt.fan.john-palmer).  it seems it does no longer exist (john
> palmer has gone out of this business and is moving somewhere else, it
                                                                     ^^
> appears he is leaving a lot of debts behind).  so anadolu.michigan.com is
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> not a valid site, and it is not possible to send mail to han even if you
> wanted.

 
  I find it very unfair to write someting like this about somebody that can
  not defend himself (I am sure John Palmer doesn't read TPM and others).
  Even if it is true, this is not the right place to write about it. In the 
  meantime I wrote to the postmaster (John Palmer)of michigan.com and here
  is his reply:

 
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From: jp@tygra.michigan.com (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: Misusing USENET
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 1:48:50 EDT

> There is another big problem: everything that Mutlu writes is sent to the
> following newsgroups:
> 
> (always)        soc.culture.turkish -----> here is Mutlu in the right group
> (always)        soc.culture.greek
> (sometimes)     soc.culture.yugoslavia
> (sometimes)     soc.culture.jewish
> (sometimes)     soc.culture.australia
> (sometimes)     soc.culture.bulgaria
> (always)        soc.culture.europe
> (always)        soc.history
> (sometimes)     soc.rights.human
> (always)        talk.politics.mideast
> (always)        talk.politics.soviet                          
>    
The first two - OK. Greece and Turkey are closely related.  The next four, 
NO. soc.culture.europe, ok. The next 4, OK as well.

> In my computer I always store just the last 200 posters because of harddisk's
> capacity. Today I counted all the news received from Mr. Mutlu in TALK.
> POLITICS.MIDEAST last TWO DAYS and I could't believe it what I saw:
> 
> from 200 news, 82 were written by hasan.b.mutlu   <han@anadolu.michigan.com>
> occupying 436.063 bytes in my harddisk. JUST IN TWO DAYS!!!  (*)
> 
> Now, if you calculate that this sum must be multiplied by the number of news-
> groups where he distributes, it adds to enormous sums in space, time AND
> money, yours, mine and that of the many backbones and sites where Mutlu's
> news arrive.
> I don't think that this is fair, forcing us, subscribers of the above
> mentioned newsgroups (I bet that there are hundreds) to pay for something
> that nobody wants. I just read that a private mailer of USENET in Israel
> pays $75/month and $0.02/kb, that means, if an israeli user wants to read
> talk.politics.mideast he is forced to pay for Mutlu's news at least $8,70 
> in two days plus the telephone expenses for polling. May be you don't care
> what other people pay for using USENET, but may be you could calculate how
> much YOU pay (I mean michigan.com) for the senseless and stupid way mr.Mutlu
> misuses the net. Can you put a stop to this and tell him to write about
> turkish/armenian/greek politics ONLY in SOC.CULTURE.TUTKISH and/or SOC.
> CULTURE.GREEK ?
> 
> In case mr. Mutlu doesn't stop it, I'll send him back ALL THE NEWS I GET
> FROM HIM as mails and I'll propose this idea to all the readers of the above 
> mentioned newsgroups. You can think out how much junk  <michigan.com>  and
> <han@anadolu.michigan.com>  will get if hundreds of persons sends each of
> them  300 - 400 Kbytes every second day. I now this is not the finest way
> to stop Mutlu's junk, but since so many netters have complained to him and
> he doesn't stop it by his own will, I don't find other way than to use the
> hard way.
 

Mr. Mutlu has abused the crossposting privileges lately. His SystemAdmin
will speak to him about it. We feed anadolu, the site from which he posts, 
however, the feed is suspended as we have no way for anyone to dial in until
we move to our new office.
 
As for sending posts back, I URGE YOU to drop that idea. I will do every
thing in my power to see to it that you never get the chance to do it 
again. You will be in violation of federal law, many state laws, most 
system user policies and perhaps the laws in your own country. Right now
mail to anyuser at anadolu.michigan.com bounces as their feed is turned
off till we get into a new office.
 
I have no patience with e-mail terrorists and will vigorously work to 
get their access revoked. 
 
Mr. Mutlu's only sin is cross-posting to several inappropriate groups. 
(more than the ones you have listed). I have told him and his sysadmin, 
that it is against net etiquette and that, if they continue to do it, 
to 1> please leave off domain MICHIGAN.COM. Right now, han posts through
the server at ucbvax.berkeley.edu, via their e-mail to USENET gateway. 
He uses anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM as it is a proper address for him as the
site anadolu does get a feed from us, even though it is off for now. 

If he continues to inappopriatly crosspost while using our domain name, 
then I will use all vigor to remedy the matter. 
 
I will monitor the situation and will make sure that he does not use
our domain in his bad crossposts and when we get back online, I will 
see to it that nothing of that kind makes it through here.
 
He has a right to express his opinion, but in the appropriate groups.
 
Thank you for your time in explaining your side of the story. 
 
Sincerely,
John Palmer
POSTMASTER
jp@michigan.com.

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I hope that in the meantime Mutlu's posters have stopped. Since I get TPM
too late (today, 7th.September, I'm still receiving posters written between
26th.  and  31th.August!!) and John Palmer's reply is from the 30th.August,
it might be that mutlu's virus has been stopped. In case it continues, I
invite everybody who feels that Mutlu is misusing USENET to write to John
Palmer AND to  postmaster@berkeley.edu and complain. If no one of them 
answers then you might act as you feel, for example to mail to mr.Mutlu his
posters. BUT PLEASE DO IT ONLY IF :

                      postmaster@michigan.com          and/or
                              jp@tygra.michigan.com    and
                      postmaster@berkeley.edu
                        
don't answer (let's say in 14 days) and if mutlu HASN't stopped in the mean
time.


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