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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:22:31 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug15.183745.17055@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
> In article <mykes.0cbt@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug12.171839.3364@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
> >> Well, I'll ask you this question again.  What "functionality" does
> >> OS/2 2.0 provide that is not present in AmigaDOS?  I already know
> >> about VM and MP but what else is present?  Does it perhaps support
> >> multiple users like Unix, or multiple processors?  Please back up claims
> >> such as "faster" file systems with objective comparisons.
> >>
> >
> >You can drag OS/2 windows partially offscreen.  Something sorely missing
>
> I thought that AmigaDOS had virtual screens that could be larger
> than the physical size.  If that's the case, why couldn't you drag
> a window off the physical screen?
>

I specifically want to drag a window off the left side of the screen.
I want this because the ZOOM box is in the upper right hand corner
of a window - hence I can move the damn windows out of the way and
still get at the zoom box to put them back on the screen where I
want them.

I want to have my screen title displayed at all times, as well as
the depth gadget.  Virtual screens are a 20% solution at best.

The Mac lets me drag windows where I want - and when.  So does
MS windows, OS/2, and X-windows.

> >on the Amiga!  OS/2 supports TCP/IP/NFS networking built-in.  OS/2 fills
> >a disk requester faster than Amiga OS because of the more efficient file
> Where do you get your conclusion that the OS/2 file system is more
> efficient?  I have gotten around 650K bytes/second throughput with
> a lowly 68000 processor and a Qunatum 105S SCSI drive going
> through the 2.04 Fast File System.  What performance figures do
> you have for the OS/2 file system and with what hardware?
>

I was referring to how long it takes a file requester to examine the
directory and display all the filenames.  Overall disk performance
is not something that I measured, nor wrote about

> >Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:57:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>YOU are looking into memory board now??! MANY months passing and
>nobody selling cheaps boards for A600 yet?  WHY??
>IF 1993 comes and no boards come out then A600 is finished.     

Many months passing no Falcon.  WHY??

>>It doesn't make them foolish, I'm telling you it's not awesome.  It's
>>nice, but nothing more.
>
>When you have $700 computer to sell tell everyone specs pleae!

Use Falcon NOT $700.  Falcon crippled no hard drive.  Falcon screen 
invisible on cheap TV. 

>Ok we are waiting for cheap memory card...WHERE IS IT??

Where Falcon?  Hiding Iraqi Agricultural Ministry? 

>Atari will tell all in few days then everyone will know truth!

HOW? Atari not know who kill JFK!

>Better ask people what is wanted DIG and memory protection or
>resource traking!  Millions will take Falcon feature.

Falcon DIG Atari hole.   Falcon shot down by 600.



:-)

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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aa chip set
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:11:47 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Wed 12 Aug 92 18:54, Robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (rob
wrote:

 R>  As for Commodore screwing owners. First people bitch that they don't
 R> release
 R> a new machine and when they do, they bitch that they can't use their
 R> old
 R> machine! Commodore has offered upgrades for A1000 owners. They have
 R> tried
 R> to keep things as compatible as possible. In fact they have tried to
 R> remain
 R> so compatible, it took them this long to figure out the AA chipset.

I agree with you here. I know Apple has a real nasty habit of leaving it's
older computer systems in the dust of it's newer ones.

I understand that they are about to release a couple of new computers using
floptical technology that's going to replace the SI and CI. I ALMOST bought
one of those and I am glad that I didn't.

Mike..
Mike.. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: MPC WORLD review Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:52:39 GMT

In article <kdarling.713858327@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>Jeff Young writes:
>>Many people said July/August MPC WORLD magazine compared CDTV and CDI (not
>>Nintendo).  Someone please post copy of review?
>
>June/July.  And it wasn't a review, but a quick "first-impressions" thing,

Yes and keep in mind that this article by Dave Taylor, titled

"The MPC As a Gaming Platform: How Does It Stack UP"

Was written from a games' perspective. As he points out in the article (p.38)
"The point is not which system uses the most hardware: it's the one that
offers the most fun." His favorites (at the end) were Lemmings on CDTV,
Pipe Dream on the NES, and Loom on the MPC. He also adds the odd statement
that an MPC gives use the best of both worlds, real and imaginary. This
is absurd. In fact the article is somewhat shallow. I doubt that 
anuthing said in it can be relied on, unless you already know how to weed
your way through it.
 
Let's see. He claims that game consoles have little in the way of
sophisticated story lines and control over the game environment. Well we
all know that this is simply not the case. He's basically trying to give
the old RPG type argument in order to favour MPC's. Since virtually
all the role playing games are moving over to the game consoles, it's
clear this doesn't hold water.
 
I might add that the magazine MPC World has since ceased to exist, and
MPC's in general have been a failure. His comments on the CDTV titles are
way off base. I own around 20 of them, and he's simply wrong to claim Lemmings
as the only one which is any fun. In any case while you quote the one paragraph
where he mentions CD-I ( and from an odd perspective) you forget to 
include his next paragraph calling both dumb multimedia boxes which
aren't woth the investment. 
 
However, the big missing point in his article is the fact that
CDTV can be turned into a fairly powerful computer with a large 
installed user base and great PD software plus some excellent
commercial software( of which he seems to be unaware-p41 where he rattles
on about the lack of word processors and spreadsheets for the Amiga).

[Quotes part of an MPC World (now defunct) which mentions CDTV and CD-I...]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:54:08 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug11.035900.14425@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> In article <kehlet.0613@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> 
> [More re the false rumours re CDTV's "death"..]
> >
> >The bottom line is:  the CDTV is *NOT* dead and the crew is *NOT* laid off.
> >Marc's 'facts' were mostly wrong and again, he has proven very little
> >insight in what's really going on.
> >
> >Just because Marc Barrett is a certified developer, doesn't mean he is in
> >the know about Commodore, CATS and C= engineering.
> 
> There is something in thes e two paragraphs which does make me very
> uneasy.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here?


> Philip McDunnough
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu

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  Since I am the president of this company, I speak not only for myself!
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is 1024*768?
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:14:45 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug10.161109.3510@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <1992Aug10.070707.3645@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
> >It is disappointing there is no 15 bit colour mode in lo-res.  The
> >bandwidth is there.  I'll be interested to see how good the superham
> >pictures look.
>
> There are different types of images. For any computed or smoothly shaded
> images the SuperHAM mode will be better due to its better color resolution
> (6 vs. 5 bit in grayscale or monochrome, 24bit vs. 15bit in color). Grayscale
> images will suffer from color noise though since you can't change all three
> RGB values between subsequent pixels.
> For any real-world images (i.e. noisy ones) both types of display
> should be adequately suited but you will see artefacts when translating
> between 15bit true color and superham. Using 24bit or even smoothed out
> jpegs will reduce the differences.
> Translation of 24bit to superham will be timeconsuming (for the 15bit displays
> just strip off bits and maybe add dithering). Animation of superham
> will be faster because a single image uses (about) half the data (8bit/pixel
> vs. 15bit/pixel).
>

And you won't be able to drag around windows rendered in this ham mode too easily.
Nor will your CLI windows scroll very fast or cleanly (image wise).  The BIG difference
is the GUI can run on a true 15-bit mode display, while HAM is ONLY good for still
pictures (or pageflipped animation).

> Regards,
> --
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DIR
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:45:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Aug14.153849.423@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>
>>Which, of course, is useless if one wants to run applications like Word,
>>Excel, CorelDRAW, FrameMaker, Borland C++, etc.
>>
>>Seriously, Gerald, how long can you play with the OS until you start looking
>>for something else to do with the machine?
> 
> Ah ha, so your argument is that the Amiga has no applications.  I knew many
> people were uninformed about the Amiga, but I thought the advocacy fanatics
> knew a bit more.  The Amiga has applications, and the Amiga has Bridgeboards,
> emulators, etc.
> 
> I bet a software emulator would run pretty well on that 040...

Yeah, but those applications use graphics pretty heavily and would probably
be unbearably slow with just software emulation (I speak from the experience
of trying to run MS-DOS programs under SoftPC on a Mac and on a UNIX
workstation).

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    I am giving up on the Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Aug 92 15:10:41 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <mykes.0c39@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <root.0285@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug6.155409.21280@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>> >In article <root.027z@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I need yet another UNIX box, and I'll probably buy Dell SVR4.  It might
>> >>make sense for me to buy a complete PC + UNIX package from Dell.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Isn't Dell offering their SVR4 for something like $495 if you buy it
>> >preinstalled on one of their machines?
>>
>> Yes, $495 for 2 user license and $795 for unlimited.  I would get the
>> unlimited user license and still save $500 by buying an integrated
>> package.  I would have to look at the Dell hardware prices before I
>> make a decision.  The big expense will be disk space.
>>
>
>I just bought the Dell 486D/50 - it ZIPs.  It runs windows plenty fast
>for my (Amiga-user) tastes, too.  I bought OS/2 but haven't installed it
>yet...  That $500 you save will buy you a 300 Meg drive :)

The choice of graphics card seems to be very important when setting up
a Windows system.  A friend of mine with a 386/33 just upgraded from
Windows 3.0 to 3.1, and upgraded his video from a cheap Paradise SVGA
card to a Diamond Steath with S3 chip.  The difference is amazing.


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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: WSJ Comments On Commodore Earnings
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:13:30 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


   I pulled this off of comp.sys.amiga.misc, and thought it deserves reposting
here. I have not personally seen this article, but will look for it today.
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Article 7408 (5 more) in comp.sys.amiga.misc:
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Subject: WSJ Article
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:33:40 GMT
Organization: High Tension BBS

BEFORE some imbecile comes up and screams about how CBM is going down the tubes
because of an unexpected 4th qtr loss, I am going to post some of the comments
made in the WSJ article which commented on the loss.

"Commodore . . . sells the majority of its consumer oriented computers in
Europe, making its dollar-stated results notoriously hard to predict."

"Analysts agreed that Commodore could rebound, citing good potential for new
models of its Amiga personal computer, as well as some novel handheld
products."

"This is certainly a huge disappointment, but it isn't the end of the world for
Commodore," [according to Ronald Opel at Fechtor, Detwiler & Co.]

"`There's a lot more upside to the stock than there is downside.  It's just
smart to wait and see whether the momentum can snap back.'"[according to Steve
--MORE--(80%)

Eskenazi of Alexander Brown & Sons Inc.]

So  B E F O R E people start screaming about how the sky is falling and CBM is
going to go bankrupt in two weeks, I am posting this  in the vain hope that
someone will actually read it, and not post another "CBM is Dying" msg.

John


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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:11:07 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.135042.26065@visix.com> brett@visix.com writes:
>In article <34478@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com  
>(Randell Jesup) writes:
>> >I don't remember any Amiga specific advertising from EA;  they were  
>heavily
>> >into multi-platform back then.
>> 
>> 	They did have 2-page ads in the first year or so of AmigaWorld.
>
>..and BYTE. You don't remember the ads, "Why EA is committed to the  
>Amiga". One of the people in the ad was =RJ= about some 'yet to be  
>released' game he was working on for EA. How times have changed.

Those are the ads I was thinking of;  I've got a couple of them here;
they are multiplatform ads, mentioning the games being developed
for the Amiga and for other platforms.

So, why is =RJ= lying down in the ad ?  :-)

			andy
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Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:10:21 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>My question is: why would you even _want_ to mention CDTV?   CD-I has
>>the better technology, much more backing and longterm planning, and
>>is certainly a helluva lot more likely to evolve in a timely manner.
>
>This is not obvious. CD-I has the SNES connection while CDTV has the 
>Amiga one. Do people want a unit that can be easily turned into a computer?
>If yes, then CDTV has it all over CD-I. As far as the better technology,
>this may be true now in certain areas. It won't be when MPEG arrives. 

Which part didn't seem obvious?

CD-I has the better base design for its purpose; no arguments possible.

CD-I has more backing; it's already benefiting from competition within
manufacturers:  the Japanese players which have been shown are fancier than
the Philips' player.  And as you know, Philips, Sony and others are (or soon
will be) in competition with color LCD portable players.  

CD-I has more longterm planning.  First off, Philips helped Kodak create
Photo CD, and PCD discs include CD-I player code.  That's thinking ahead.
Second off, even further longterm planning is already in effect, with phone
companies working on discs with Yellow Pages (business ads/ service lookup),
publishers doing magazine supplements, GTE working on background TV disc cues,
you name it.  Their plan is to eventually make players a must-have common
item by ultimately making their usefulness widespread and easily apparent.

CD-I will evolve: already most people believe that CD movies will become
available shortly.  That takes money and connections (Philips' Polygram
just bought another Hollywood studio, btw).  Moreover, Philips has been
heavily involved in HDTV research, and already makes digital TV chips.
Heck, Sony went to the trouble a while back of making their own MPEG
decoder just to try it out in a handheld CD-I movie player.

Do you really believe that Commodore will (or can!) invest even a fraction
as much effort and longterm planning??  If so, I've got a bridge for sale :)

As for turning into a computer, if that's important (and I don't think so,
but) how will CDTV stand up to that rumored (;-)) Tandy PC based CD-ROM box?

CDTV isn't competition to CD-I.  CDTV is mostly competition to other Amigas.
Speaking of which... if I were Commodore, I think I'd add a disk drive bay
to my next CDTV model.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:08:58 GMT

Hmm... not too bad of a hack job.  Of course, if he had any sense, he'd
have asked someone who owned an Amiga about CD-ROM software... I know of
at least three different systems.

Obviously, he doesn't know about the CDTV (don't know if that is good or bad),
because if he did, he might have had the sense to deduce that something exists.

Thom
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:45:24 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <Ray_Hines.9805@dream.uucp>, Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:
> 
>  R> In article <1992Aug8.234743.6187@newshost.unh.edu>ggg@kepler.unh.edu
>  R> (Gregory G Greene) writes:
> 
>> Most Amiga users are totally ignorant of IBM's OS2 2.0.
> 
> I'm certainly not ignorant of it.  I messed with it on both a 386 and 486
> platform.  I own an A2000 w/ 68030 28mhz accelerator.
> 
> After messing with OS/2, coming back to the Amiga was like going back home
> to a sweet, wonderful, efficient, and cozy wife. :)
> 

...who would hear nothing about how any other wife in the neighborhood
could be remotely compared with herself...   #:+]


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