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From: bdboyle@erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Subject: Re: Private Pilots
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering Co., NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.142132.19374@aosg.gsf.dec.com> verhulst@raven.aosg.gsf.dec.com writes:
>>I *strongly* disagree about the Gliem books.  I used Gleim's "Private Pilot and
>>Recreational Pilot, FAA Written Exam, Fifth (1990-1992) Edition" and I hated
>>it.  I found it to be poorly written and poorly organized. 
>
>Ain't it amazing how peoples opinions can differ.  I used Gleim for my private
>and my commercial and have just bought one for my CFI.  They work for me
>(Private score 97% (60 question exam), commercial 94%).

Same here: private in 1986: 100, IFR in '88: 98, commercial in '90: 100.

The cessna red and gold courses are good for the maneuvers, but they
are crappy (IMHO) for the written...you really need to gather a 
wide range to be able to fly (and pass the tests...) well...Gleim may
not be everyone's cup of tea (I have been accused of being a driven type
"A"), but they do serve the purpose...
 
Bryan D. Boyle   |opinions mine, not Exxon's...
Senior Engineer  |fly because you can...


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
From: aps@world.std.com (Armando P. Stettner)
Subject: Re: Private Pilots
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:14:19 GMT

As to the Gleim books, just for fun, a while back I took the commercial
written with no real study.  I purchased the Gleim book and looked at it
the night and morning before the test and past the test with an 85.  Some
material was not new to me but I found the organization useful.

If I were an instructor (soon), I would not use the distinctive red
books as a course outline but I would use them for review or reference.
I still highly recommend them.

	aps.

Please don't call me Mr. Stettner; that was my father.
From: randy@khan.gatech.edu (Randal T. Abler)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Logging (Argh): CFI flight instruction in IMC?
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:44:23 GMT
Originator: randy@khan

Another logging question - and I haven't seen this one asked recently:
as a CFI, (but no CFII), can you give dual instruction to somebody 
while
	1) Under simulated instruments (hood)
	2) While on an IFR flight plane
	3) While IMC

The obvious(?) limitations under the FARs are that a CFII is required
to give the 20 hours instruction toward the instrument rating, and
to give an instrument competency check.

I've gotten a split answer locally - some argue that a CFI can give dual
in any of the above conditions (assuming catagory/class/medical/currency
issues are satisfied), it just can't be counted toward the 
required 20 hours instrument instruction.  Others have said no, only in
VMC when not on an IFR flight plan.

The answer to 1) is obviously yes by convention, it is required instruction 
for the private pilot (airplane).  Of course, if your CFI is also a CFII,
you can then count that hood time toward your 20 hrs instrument instruction,
if he is only a CFI, you can't count it toward the instrument instruction,
but you could count it toward the 40hrs actual or simulated instrument time.

The issue is that as a CFI you are allowed to give instruction
subject to the limitions on your certificate.  My certificate doesn't
say "VFR/VMC only", but is that implicit since I don't have the
CFII rating?

As a simple solution, I hope to get the CFII rating before it ever really
becomes an issue ...

-- 
Randal T. Abler   	randy@cerl.gatech.edu		 
CERL/EE Georgia Tech     
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.misc
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Inappropriately posted messages
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:09:58 GMT

Geoff Peck's tried twice, so now it's my turn.

The RFD and survey showed a distinct desire for some type of "flying" 
group--something in which the *mechanics* of flying could be discussed:
issues like control, technique, navigation, ATC issues, advanced ratings, 
etc.  This was the idea behind:

	rec.aviation.piloting

There was also a desire for a DEDICATED group dealing with "to-be" pilot
issues: student flight, *basic* certification requirements, first solo 
reports, solo cross-country reports, write-off requirements, time-to-
certificate reports, student checkrides, etc..  I.e., things which are 
*completely* legitimate, but which have LITTLE interest for certificated 
private pilots.  This was the idea behind:

	rec.aviation.student

Now, one can argue whether there's really a need for two groups, but
they DO exist, so let's try to make it work, okay?  Let's not bypass the
student pilot group; the people that are likely to be interested in 
student pilot issues are probably reading the student group, already.  If
this traffic continues, we'll be stuck with TWO student-pilot newsgroups,
which isn't an effective use of net resources.  

So, even if someone posts a student-pilot message to rec.aviation.piloting,
feel free to edit the "Newsgroups" and "Followup-To" fields to point back to 
the student newsgroup.

Now, before you all start yelling "net.fascist," consider that of the 28
messages posted so far, only *four* are generic piloting issues, two
were Peck's requests to get things in order, and the *rest* are all very
clearly student pilot issues--80% of posts!  Only ONE of those was ap-
propriately cross-posted to rec.aviation.student!



---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
From: smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Private Pilots
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:07:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <BvGHp8.Mz7@world.std.com> aps@world.std.com (Armando P. Stettner) writes:
>I did not take a formal ground school but just studied the material
>(most of it was really fun).  Now, with these red Gliem (spelling?)
>books, studying for the exams should be very easy.  I highly recommend
>these books.  I also recommend the Kershner books.
>
>	armando

I *strongly* disagree about the Gliem books.  I used Gleim's "Private Pilot and
Recreational Pilot, FAA Written Exam, Fifth (1990-1992) Edition" and I hated
it.  I found it to be poorly written and poorly organized.  And I think I
found a few mistakes, although they haven't been confirmed.  Albeit I did pass
my written test -- I just didn't like the book at all, and most CFI's I've
talked to do not recommend it either.

I don't mean to bash Mr. Stettner -- I'm just spewing my $0.02.

-- 
   Brian M. Aljian
   smythe@stallion.santa-cruz.ca.us
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Stay off the rudder!
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <92266.215322VPN1@psuvm.psu.edu>, VPN1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> If you get into strong turbulence,
> IFR, stay off the rudder and you won't get into a spin.

Having gotten my license in a Taylorcraft, I learned quite the
opposite rule -- stay on the rudders or spin.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: pace@megatek.com (William Pace)
Subject: Avart (was aviation.gif files)
Summary: Neato posters!
Reply-To: megatek!pace@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:47:49 GMT

This reminds me of what might well be the best in-flight picture I think I
have ever seen: that neat March Flying cover featuring a Cessna Citation just
above the cloud deck with the wake turbulence cutting a swath through the top
of the deck.  It has been in the back of my mind to try to get the poster when,
lo and behold, my flying club worked a deal with the photographer to get them
at a discount rate.  So of course I snapped one right up.  It looks even
better enlarged and without that silly text from the magazine cover. :-)

If you are interested in getting a copy of this for yourself, here are the
particulars:
	Avart by Bowen
	P.O. Box 3375
	Wichita, KS 67201
	800-697-2580  (24 hours, Visa and Mastercard)

Charges (regular price):
	1 for $25.00 + $4.50 postage and handling
	3 for $65.00 + $5.50 postage and handling
	5 for $90.00 + $6.50 postage and handling


He also has other neato posters and fold-over note cards, but frankly I'd
rather spend my spare change on flying than on wall hangings.  But I just
couldn't resist this one.  He gave my club (about 500 members strong) a
_substantial_ discount plus no P&H since our VP did the marketing and
distribution for him.  (If you are interested, you can try try to swing the
same deal for your club.  I can't say how successful you will be since I had
no part in this, but it would seem logical that a deal could be made).


Bill Pace

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Claimer: I speak for myself

Disclaimer:
I have no affiliation with Avart or Paul Bowen, the photographer.  I don't
know the guy and this posting should not be taken in any way as an official
representation of his product or pricing.  I am only providing this information
provided as a public service to interested fellow rec.aviators.
From: prang@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Ron Wanttaja)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: What did you do to the rest of your shirt?
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:31:57 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

> >>  Today I was wearing my favorite T-shirt, washed clean and
> >> perfectly ironed, which was very unusual.  My instructor cut the
> >> back of it with scissors and hanged it on a wall of the FBO,
> >> leaving me in the wrecked shirt.
> >
> >Could somebody clue me in on what's going on here?  Is this some  
> >bizarre flying ritual?  Never heard of it before.
> >
>    Maybe he made his first solo or something.    My instructor at that
> time in Hawaii(who used to be an airforce pilot) said that the ritual 
> in airforce for the first solo was throwing the student pilot into the pool!

Back when I first soloed ("Take it around the pasture three times," Orville
said...) my fellow CAP cadets thought ye olde Air Force ritual dunking would
be the right thing for me.  Unfortunately (for them) I didn't solo on a CAP
activity; hence they didn't catch me in flagrante delecto, so to speak.

So they started a campaign to get me dunked.

It's not that I minded so much.  I just didn't care for the times...
generally a formal event like a military ball... nor the places... sinks
and toilets... that they wanted to commemorate the event in.

So at these events, there'd be a squirming mass of 15-and-16-year-old 
"friends" trying to drag me to the nearest latrine.  The floor would be
littered with clip-on black bow ties (formal uniform, don'cha know),
clutchbacks, and collar brass.  Fortunately, the Prangster was skinnier and
stronger then.  And developed his famous Bathroom-Stall-Door-Death-Grip.

Oh well... it beat spending three hours trying to get the nerve up to ask a
girl to dance.... :-)

                                          Ron Wanttaja
					  prang@ssc-bee
					  ...rutgers!uw-beaver!ssc-bee!prang
                                          prang@ssc-bee.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rcm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (randall.c.moline)
Subject: Hours to SOLO
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:19:55 GMT



I've been reading this newsgroup (with great interest) for the past
month or so and the recent posts regarding solo rituals have made me
curious about another solo related item. Specifically:

How many hours did you have in your logbook when you solo'ed???

I am about a week away from mine and was just curious how long it took
other people. You can reply via e-mail and if I get enough responses
to make it worth while, I will tabulate the results and post it (don't
worry, no names).

Thanks,

==============================================
Randy Moline		ATT Bell Laboratories
Future PP-ASEL		Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!rcm		708-979-0950
==============================================

Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rod@sadtler.com (Rod Farlee)
Subject: Re: Certification of Light aircraft
Organization: Bio-Rad, Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:25:49 GMT

since I saw no other replies, here are book stall speeds in knots 
in the landing configuration of some kit and production aircraft:
(some values vary with model year, options, max gross weight)

  37      Taylorcraft F22
  40    Pulsar
  42    Glasair IIS-FT
  43      C-172
  46      C-177B
  48    RV-6/6A
  50      C-182
  52      Cherokee 235
  53      AGAC Tiger AA5B
  54    Berkut
  54      Bonanza F33A
  55    Wheeler Express
  56      Comanche 250
  56    Questair Spirit
  56    Cirrus
  57      C-210
  58    Glasair III
  59      Trinidad
  59      Bonanza B36TC
  60    Lancair IV	
  60      Mooney TLS
  60      Malibu Mirage
  61    Questair Venture
  65    Velocity 173

it appears that most homebuilts have stall speeds which are similar
to factory-built aircraft of comparable performance.

Lance Niebauer showed us the Lancair ES at OSH, and handed out a
preliminary performance and price sheet.  i've misplaced it, and
would appreciate it if someone would post this information.

-- 
Rod Farlee, rod@sadtler.com, (215) 382-7800
Bio-Rad, Sadtler Div., 3316 Spring Garden St., Philadelphia PA 19104
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mjv1@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael Vinson)
Subject: Re: Unfamiliar phraseologies
Reply-To: mjv1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The James Franck Institute
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:48:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.145034.6662@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> 
hutton@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (ed Hutton ext. 6488) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.033712.30546@ccad.uiowa.edu> yiannis@ccad.uiowa.edu 
(Yiannis Papelis) writes:
>>Needless to say that was the last time I called up as a
>>student pilot...

>	I had the same experience. The first and only time I used the
>phrase "student pilot" was on my first solo trip out to the practice
>area. The controller began speaking Veeeeeeery slowly.  [...]

I guess experiences vary. When I was a student, I would always, always
announce "student pilot." I figured it would buy me some extra leeway
if I screwed up or had to use several "say again"s. The controllers at
Syracuse (an ARSA) would treat me exactly the same as they did other
pilots. They were never patronizing. Maybe they are used to more
students than the controllers you guys talked to.

This gives me an opportunity to praise the Syracuse controllers. They
are efficient, friendly, and professional. I've really enjoyed
working with them, both as a student and as a private pilot.

Michael Vinson
Xref: sparky rec.aviation.misc:44 rec.aviation.products:26
From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.products
Subject: how exactly does GPS work?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

(disclaimer: it is my first posting since the reorganization of
rec.aviation hierarchy;  I hope I posted it in the right place...)

the subject line says it all,  that is,  how exactly does GPS work?
well I have a rough idea, but I would be very happy to learn about more
technical aspects,  and would be grateful for any pointer to the
relevant literature.

Thanks in advance,


-- 
//Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, fax: (+353-1)772204, e-mail: Louboutin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie
//Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, (+353-1)7021539 ...
//Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland-  ASK-18
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: CHARTER: rec.aviation.misc
Followup-To: rec.aviation.misc
Reply-To: geoff@peck.com
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:06:14 GMT

Welcome to rec.aviation.misc.  This message, and companion messages
like it, will be posted to each of the new rec.aviation.* groups weekly
through the end of November, to allow people to view the charters of each
newsgroup and better understand where to post articles.

The charter of rec.aviation.misc is:

******************************************************************************
*   In case there are things which didn't get "caught" by the other groups,  *
*   rec.aviation.misc provides a home for these other topics.  An example    *
*   would be posts on commercial airliners and ultralights which, for the    *
*   moment, do not have their own home.                                      *
******************************************************************************

There are now a thirteen separate subgroups on rec.aviation; if the charter
above doesn't match the content of the article you're posting (or you're
following up), please consider one of the other groups as a more
appropriate forum:

    announce (MOD)    military      piloting        soaring
    answers  (MOD)    misc          products        stories (MOD)
    homebuilt         owning        simulators      student
    ifr 

A common question is "what should I do if an article spans the charters of
two or more groups?"  The answer is cross-posting.  If you have an article
which clearly crosses the boundaries of several groups, you should post a
**single** copy of the article to **all* of the groups.  Don't post
separate copies to each group.  Most modern newsreaders will display the
article exactly once to the reader -- in the first group in which it is
encountered and read.

If you feel that the replies should be directed to a subset of the groups
to which you are submitting your post, be sure to include a line of the
form "Followup-to: groupname" in the header of your message.  See the
header of this message for an example.

If you are replying to a cross-posted article and your reply is germane to
only a subset of the original groups, please ensure that you check the
Newsgroups: line to remove unnecessary groups.  If the reply is germane to
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that all the groups are listed in the Newsgroups: line.  Some older
newsreaders cause a reply to go only to the group which is currently being
read.

Use cross-posting sparingly.  If an article "90% belongs" in one group and
"10% belongs" in another, post it only to the first group.

						Geoff

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp)
Subject: Re: r.a.student vs. r.a.piloting
Followup-To: rec.aviation.misc
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.060531.15466@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
> rec.aviation.student
>     It's been said that every good pilot is a student pilot -- for life.
>     This group is dedicated to learning experiences and questions,
>     particularly (but not exclusively) by and for those who haven't yet
>     attained the private pilot certificate.  Written exams, solo flights,
>     learning to land, maneuvers, flight tests, instructors and
>     instructional techniques, etc.

How about instrument student experiences then ?
Are they supposed to go into rec.aviation.ifr ?
And commercial training ?
-- 
Wolfgang Diestelkamp
wd@cs.tu-berlin.de
wolfgang@first.gmd.de

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: dness@edsi.plexus.COM (David Nesseler)
Subject: Commercial Aviation!
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 03:18:42 GMT

Great to see this new group formed. ...BUT..
To leave out a special group to us Commercial
avaition people is an injustice!
How about rec.aviation.commercial
There are so many issues to address in such a
group I could go on for hours...like..
FAA regs and scrutiny
airframe specifics
powerplant specifics
and just to have a forum to get information
on your specific problem. EX: 
Ghosting problem and the Dallas bumpup" in TCAS
Howaboutit?

-- 
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
putsomejellyonthatchop  IS ELVIS ALIVE ?  hunkahunkaburninglove
                         David Nesseler
    dness@edsi.plexus.com//////BANG//////spool!cserver!edsi!dness
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Need Another Sub-group
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:21:47 GMT

Summary:
Expires:
Sender:
Followup-To:
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Keywords:

I know there must be some hot-air ballooners out there.  Wanna just leave it
in the 'misc' group, or start something of our own?


TH
From: jt34@prism.gatech.EDU (THOMPSON,JOHN C)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: ultralights
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:01:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Aren't ultralights homebuilts too!!
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Subject: Amsterdam crash a new record?
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date:  6 Oct 92 13:48:14 GMT

So on the macabre side, does this set a new record for people killed
on the ground by an air crash?  Assuming that the final death toll is
over 200, as currently feared.
-- 
Roger Ritter N1FZZ (R.Ritter@ma30.bull.com) PP-ASEL, AGI
1946 Luscombe 8A N71983 "Rocky"
Sheep do not so much fly as plummet!        NH CAP: Profile 49

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Subject: Re: Unfamiliar phraseologies
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:54:36 GMT

In article <1431@systech.com> ken@systech.com (Ken Brown) writes:
>I have often wondered whether controllers bring their work related
>speech patterns home with them.
	[A silly example]
>A silly example, admittedly, but do you controllers on the net find
>yourselves saying 'correction' and 'negative' when talking with non
>aviation friends, neighbors, etc.?

Negative.





:-)
--
Chris Rasley
PP-SEL (+night), Glider (student), ATC (CYFC)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Peter Nyffeler ,x4399)
Subject: Gloster Meteor 
Reply-To: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:43:05 GMT


I would like to build a scale model (control-line) of the

                GLOSTER METEOR F Mk.1 (EE227)

used as test platform for Rollce-Royce RB.50 Trent turbo prop engine

Do you have drawings, photos or any other informations about this mashine ??

Keywords: 



Xref: sparky rec.aviation.misc:34 rec.aviation.military:33
From: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Transport crash in Amsterdamn
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Organization: Columbia University

According to the NY Times (10/5/92) I beleive only 9 bodies were found so far.
So only 9 people are officially dead. They expect to find alot more though.
This is the first El Al crash in its 44 yr history.
Aaron R. Wininger, Carnivore                 Columbia Plasma Physics Laboratory
arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu                                 Columbia University
wininger@cuplvx.ap.columbia.edu                              New York, NY 10027
      'That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.'  -Nietzche
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Peter Nyffeler ,x4399)
Subject: Gloster Meteor 
Reply-To: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:44:34 GMT


I would like to build a scale model (control-line) of the

                GLOSTER METEOR F Mk.1 (EE227)

used as test platform for Rollce-Royce RB.50 Trent turbo prop engine

Do you have drawings, photos or any other informations about this mashine ??

Keywords: 



Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc