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From:         Dawn Hughes <dhughes@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stats: Power Analysis
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              92 1:32 pm

>
>    I need a stats consult from those of you who are familiar with
> power analysis.  I have a lot of the Cohen stuff but I want to confirm
> that my understanding of some of it is correct.
>    Please send me a note at UFTRT at NERVM unless others on psycgrad
> want to listen in on the consult for their own edification.
> Thanks in advance,
> Tim
>

TIM:

I AM FAMILIAR WITH POWER ANALYSES.  WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW????
EMAIL ME DIRECT AT DHUGHES@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU IF YOU'D LIKE OR
WE CAN DO IT OVER PSYCHGRAD.  I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOUR NET ADDRESS WAS???

DAWN


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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: discussion versus "trapping"
              26 Aug 1992 15:29:13 BST from <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:29:13 BST Someone said:
>All very well, Jorge, but what is the point in deliberately provoking people
>and trying to "trick" them - and at the same time gloating that you're doing
>so - just for the sake of it??
>Where is the "sensible discussion" in this??
>

There is a particular difference that occurs in the conversation when the
speaker takes a few moments to reflect on the interaction that is occurring
at that very moment.  This is the difference between being complete wrapped
up in one's own presentation and being aware for a moment of the process
in which dyad is engaged.  This is the difference between attending to
content verses attending to the process.  One might find while engaging in
this behavior, that a way of thinking entirely different from gloating
may be experienced.

Where is the sensible discussion in your protest of the metaphor?
The answer lies in the debate.  Confrontation adds excitement to the
discussion.  You might be feeling this excitement right now as you
are reading this response to your previous words.

Have fun!  :-)

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From: swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr))
Subject: Re:      Re: cheating
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:12:19 GMT

I would expect that incidences of cheating and academic fraud would
follow something like Maslow's hierarchy of needs in the sense that
people who are struggling to pass subjects or getting tenure are
more likely to succumb to it.
On the other hand, those who have "made it" in these areas have the
luxury of the moral high ground and can explore science and learning
for their own sake.

That doesn't mean that I condone any form of fraud or cheating, but
watching someone who has invested 8-10 years in university education
(with mom and dad admiring their "professor") failing in the tenure
stakes would I imagine create a lot of guilt and feelings of failure
etc. Cheating doesn't make you succeed, but I can see why a number 
of people could fall victim to it.

Quite often they may not be attempting to meet their own needs but
the needs of others.

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Subject:      Re: We are married!

Congratulations Matthew and Monica!

nancy at northeastern
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HI Michelle!

Sorry for the delayed response - I have tried twice to send messages to your
address and they both have been returned undeliverable.  Which probably speaks
more to my ignorance of the system than your address.  Thus, I am using the
general list to send my message.

I appreciate your offer of help and gladly accept.  If you could please fill
me in on such things as What is the area like?   Is there financial assistance?
What do you think of your program?  What is the political climate with the
faculty?  What is the cost of living in the area?  Is it rural, city, suburban
type living?  How big is the school?  What are the facilities - library,
computers, etc. on campus?  Are you in the Ph.D. or Psy.D. program?

As you can see just about any info will help.  The Oregon environment for
higher education has become bleak with a tax limitation bill that passed last
year.  Most programs have been severely cutback and some eliminated all
together.  So I must go out of state and it's a bit bewildering unless one
has their sites set on an Ivy League school and information is readily avail
able.

Thanks for your help, if you want to try and write to me directly my address
is Earle@UofPort.bitnet.  I hope to hear from you soon.

Cynthia
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And they lived happy ever after.
Jorge
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Psych-iatry vs -ology?

     Eric writes on the subject heading:
>Of the two years of "clinical exposure" what proportion of cases are
>psychiatric in nature?  The psychiatry rotation, certainly, but not much
>else. (How relevant are most dermatology cases to drug regimens for Type II
>Bipolar?)
     The point I was trying to make was that in order to have the privilege
and responsibility of prescribing drugs, a psychologist should be well versed
not only in psychiatry and pharmacology, but also in physiology and related
disciplines.  Dermatology is an unfortunate example, it is usually a short 2
week rotation, but internal medicine, cardiology, gerontology, and neurology
(to name a few) sure seem relevant.
     I agree that a well trined clinical psychologist should be
able to identify -or at least be aware of- physical conditions that
complicate or mimick psychopathology, but I don't think this knowledge,
combined with basic courses in psychopharmacology, is enough to allow us to
medicate responsibly.  We would need much more training, along the lines of
MDs.  I'm not saying it's impossible to obtain this training, just that it
should be much more extensive than is generally proposed.
     I don't underestimate the resources that physicians and med students
have to get information re prescripction of medications.  Yes, the PDR is
great, and so is the famous "Merck Manual" (a comprehensive manual on
seemingly all medical conditions, their prognoses, treatment of choice,
and counterindications, all courtesy of a drug company), but that's hardly a
substitute to a medical education.  Like the PDR (Physician's Desk
Reference), the promos put out by the drug companies assume an underlying
comprehensive medical knowledge.
     I have what may be a dumb question (and not rhetorical, believe me): Why
do clinical psychologists want prescription privileges?
     Nangel @ UCLA
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Clinical Data
              25 Aug 1992 07:31:59 -0400 from
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Someone said,
>I have two issues here:  1) I wonder why some people on this net
>try to "trap" others?  What do they get out of it, really?

How about an opening for a good discussion?  Ever play chess?
The opening moves are sometimes the most fun.  Both people
gambit for position.  The game is a mental exercise.

Matthew
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From:         "Matthew Prull" <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Addendum to Job Candidate reading list
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Recently, Tor Neilands posted a very helpful list of resources for
prospective job candidates.  Although his list was extensive, I thought
I'd just throw in my two bits worth.

An account of one individual's search for an academic job is given in this
intriguing journal article:

Iacano, W. G. (1981).  The academic job interview: The experiences of a new
Ph.D. in the job market.  Canadian Psychology, 22(3), 217-227.

Although the article is over eleven years old, it is informative.  The author
also provides recommendations (albeit ones that are based on the author's
own experiences) for attaining an academic job.  The author's focus was in
clinical psych, too.

Matthew Prull <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
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Subject:      Human Subjects Workshop Correcti

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Subject:      Human Subjects Workshop Correction
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October 28 is the correct date for the Human Subjects workshop to be
offered by the Northeastern Educational Research Association.
Other information posted about thw workshop is correct as far as my aged
brain figure it out. My error.
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From:         tmsellers@UALR.EDU
Subject:      RE: Introspectionism

        from my own reading I understand one of the major problems with
 introspectionism was inconsistency of results. Wundt's subjects were
 required to undergo extensive training before they were allowed to
 partici[ate in any experiment (over 10,000 practice trials!). We all tend
 to introspect to get original insights into a problem, but this method
 is not used to support theories or models. When experiments were repeated
 at different labs the results were inconsistent with Wundt's, thereby
 not holding to a basic tenet of science, that it must be repeatable. Also,
 another problem was that empirical science says both the cause and effect
 must be observable. Obviously, the stimuli in an  introspectionist
 experiment is observable, but the effect must be inferred from the subject's
 report. Does this help?
        Tammy
        TMSELLERS@UALR.EDU
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      International Question

     Tim,
     Both the DSM and the International Classification of Diseases are used
in other places (I'm referring specifically to Latin America and Spain).
     Nangel @ UCLA
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fuzzies and Medications
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> About the medication, I think it sounds great in theory, but as someone
> who's dabbled in psychoneuropharmacology

By the time I get out of here, I will already have had one year in psycho-
pharmacology (exactly the same requirement as the med students here have).
With more specific training in side effects, interactions, contraindications
and dosage, there is absolutely no rational reason why similarly trained
psychologists shouldn't have the same prescription privileges that MD's
have.  If the psychiatrists don't like it, they should demonstrate that
somehow their preparation is superior (good luck!)

> Second, this talk of psychology being "fuzzy" is quite curious to me.  I
> sense that many have the impression that not much "hard" research is being
> done on emotions ("moods," "feelings," "affect," choose your nomenclature).
> This is not the case at all.  In fact, one of the hottest areas in health
> psychology and clinical research, is in psychoneuroimmunology

and, of course, psychoneuroendocrinology.

-- the study
> of psychological states of mind on the immune system.  Check out Seligman,
> Langer, Rodin, Sheldon Cohen, Michael Antoni, and Andrew Baum, to name
> a few.

Don't forget the Glasers! :)

> In fact, a symposium at APA by Cohen, Antoni,
> and Baum, on the effects of stress, emotions, and social support (i.e.,
> friends) in HIV-positive people even made it to CNN.  Heck, that has to
> be worth something, right?

DAMN!  Wish I had made APA.

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Comments:     Originally-From: hartmut guenther <HARTMUT@BRUNB.BITNET>
From:         RJHARRIS@KSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      faculty position in psychology at the university of brasilia

the institute of psychology at the university of brasilia expects to
have positions in various fields of psychology.

if you would like the institute to contact you further on this subject,
please send us:

1- your curriculum vitae and mailing address
2- a deswcription of your current research or your phd dissertation
3- your graduate school records (if less than 5 five since phd)
4- indication of your current employer in brazil, if any
5- approximate date of conclusion of your phd (if applicable)
6- any additional information you may find pertinent

correspondence should be sent to

timothy mulholland, director
institute of psychology
university of brasilia
70.910 brasilia, df, brazil
fax +(55) 61 273.6378
e-mail timothy@brunb
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:51:39 CDT
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From:         HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 'warm fuzzies' discussion

I agree very much with Tor about what constitutes the appropriate
data for psychology.  We have been trained to think negatively about
individual human experience, because it is not neatly summarized by
expected values, or in other words,it is difficult to map in mathematical
language.  Shontz and Gordon's work makes it very clear that there are
plenty of ways to study qualitative experience at the individual level in
ways that add considerably to our psychology.  They take an interesting
twist on traditional methodology.  Instead of one psychologist collecting
data on lots of people, lots of psychologists collect data on one person
and attempt to come to an agreement about the _MEANING_ of the data.

The work of Ekman, Izard etc is outstanding.  But I would argue that it
is outstanding not because it is so-called hard science, but because
these are creative, thoughtful endeavors.  Interestingly, Ekman is part of
a group who were highly influenced by Silvan Tomkins.  Others in the group
including Irving Alexander, Donald Mosher, and Rae Carlson, do indeed often
work at the ideographic level, or at least recognize its value.

As a throwaway, I find it interesting that both Tor and I earn our keep
as quantitative tyes, yet we seem more convinced than many regarding the
value of qualitative knowing.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Psych-iatry vs -ology?

Replying to Tim:

>    Sorry, but I still don't see an overriding reason to go to all the
> trouble for prescription privileges.

> 1. Research: Using medical specialists is part of biopsychosocial research.
> We do things with MRI's, PET and CT scans without being qualified to run
> the machines; we work in dental pain without drilling teeth. In this case
> I see MDs as collaborators at best and technicians at worst.

I suppose a lot of this depends on what you are trained for/were educated in.
My primary training is in clinical cognitive psychology, neuroendocrinology,
and psychoneuroimmunology.  There are a slew of psychologists being trained
who ARE proficient in the things that once were dominated by medical specia-
lists (including here at Penn, people running brain imaging scans). A research
team is a great thing, when possible.  If it it not necessary for practical
purposes, but is mandated by misguided policy, however, it is just a pain in
the rear.

> 2. Therapy: As before, it's easier

It's easier on a daily basis to be referring patients to someone else for a
decision that you are qualified to make?  I would take an investment of one
year now over a career of that.

 and probably better for everyone

If prescribed drug regimens are equivalent (verify through reliability checks),
a coordinated program of therapy would be preferable to a disjointed one.

> We have no trouble impressing our patients here at Shands Hospital because
> they love the time, attention and concern we give them as opposed to the docs

This wouldn't change if psychologists got prescription privileges!  Now, they'd
be REALLY impressed because not only did we care for them, talk to them, etc.,
but we could also provide the drugs that psychiatrists do whenever necessary.
BTW, do you know Dr. Fonda Eyler, a developmental psychologist there - working
on crack babies.  She's my mother-in-law.

> 3. Politics: Psychiatrists are the bottom of the medical hierarchical barrel.
> They gross about twice what clinical psychologists make

Even the scummiest MDs are richer than we are...
 but less than every
> other medical specialty. They make more than us mainly on inpatient work.
> You can be sure they will fight to keep their script pads and admitting
> privileges to themselves to the very end. I'd rather have the admitting
> privileges than the prescriptions anyway.
>   By the way, we file complaints against psychiatrists who perform the
> work of clinical psychologists for which they arenot qualified, such as
> performing certain types of personality testing and assessments. It's
> NOT as though they can do anything we can. In fact, my personal view is
> that they are trained to perform very few functions compared to us.
> Tim
>
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From:         "katerina" <PCYKCA@UTAHUSI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PSYCGRAD Project Announcement
              3 Sep 1992 15:11:24 -0400 from <plf2e@POE.ACC.VIRG INIA.EDU>

  I too am having a hard time getting of psycgrad so that I can partake
of the digest (which I love, by the way).  It seems that no matter what
I send (e.g., un sub, unsub, sign off, signoff, unsubscribe,) I always
get some error message back.  HELP PLEASE!

                       Desperate in Utah
                       Katerina Calderone
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