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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:50:34 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1993Jan6.214841.8142@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:
>
>
>I am left to hope that the best legacies of Malcolm X will be the ones that catch in
>people today. The idea of working for yourself because no one else will ever do it
>for you, of staying clean and getting educated not just in spite of the odds, but
>in defiance of the system that tries to keep you dirty and uneducated, and of speaking
>the truth to those in power every day. There are those who will try to drag down
>the message by saying "well, he wasn't morally perfect" or "his message contains
>flaws" - those things may well be true, but I don't think there's much to be gained
>from disputing them because the detractors are saying them to try to keep the
>real issues from being discussed.  Do like Malcolm and keep hitting the truth.
.
.
This and just about everything else: word.

>I think Denzel Washington will receive the Academy award for best actor this year,
>and I think he deserves it. His performance was great. His performances have been
>great every time I've seen him in a movie. He was great in The Mighty Quinn, in
>Glory, and now in Malcolm X.  I really enjoyed the movie as a movie, but Spike Lee
.
.
Looks like Al Pacino, the great white hope, might take that away
from Denzel's great performance.  They'll shilling Pacino's role in
that rather depressing sounding flick, "Scent of a Woman."
.
Oh, well. Chantilly...Lady Stetson...Rose...Jasmine...Sand and
Sable...
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From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:47:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1isc4pINN17p@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <106603@bu.edu>,
>shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>>In article <1596@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>
>>>This is not true. I supported and appreciated the US effort in Somalia. I
>>>appreciate the opportunity to study in the US. What I opposed was the tende
>>>ncy by some to cast the US as a do-no-wrong angelic country, and the USSR
>>>as a do-no-right den of the devil.

>>>At least as a far as the last big war
>>>was concerned. I happen to be aware, contrary to the insistence of these
>>>people, that Russia liberated a big portion of Africa. The US worked hard
>>>to subvert this effort and to prop racism in that Region.

>>USSR (not Russia, btw) LIBERATED a big portion of Africa?
>>Oh, well...

>Sorry to pop your balloon, Sergey, but to this cat, the USSR did
>liberate portions of Africa. To some Africans, the United States
>have done nothing but prop up puppets to do their dirties, in other
>words, maintain the status quo while ripping off their countries
>blind.

So when the USSR was propping up dictators and supplying free weapons (the
total cost is about 150 billion, if I remember correctly), this is called
liberation?

Looking at ex-soviet countries like East Germany, Romania and Bulgaria
with their horrible chemical/radioactive pollution, I fail to see why
the fate of Africa would have been any different if it fell completely
under the Soviet rule.

BTW, when the war between Ethiopia and Somalia broke out, the Politburo had a
hard time deciding which side to take. The result was that there were Soviet
military advisers on both sides, each doing their job to the best of their
ability. Not exactly the mark of liberators...

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What is this thing called subtle racism ?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:14:13 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1993Jan13.012241.1193@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>I have read many posts from both AfAms and whites which talk about the
>presence of "subtle racism". I have a problem with this since I don't
>think that racism today is any more subtle than it was previously. The
>forms in which it manifests itself is different but subtle ???
.
I hear...
.
By the way, aren't you the same Dowdy Jackson who got his letter
printed in Ebony with the cover of Mrs. Bobby Brown noticebly
preggers?
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:y
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:25:23 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1993Jan3.231519.11455@athena.mit.edu>,
femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes: 
> In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
> 
====================================================================
	[a long, personal "statement" cataloging every reason and
	stereotype for not dating black women, written by S. Chaney
	has been deleted]
======================================================================
Comments by Olufemi G Anthony:

> I am amazed at your display of narrow-mindedness and stupidity in making such
> blanket statements. 
> 
> These are the rantings of a frustrated man. Are you frustrated at your 
> inability to date black women? :-)
> 
> Any black man who the hates black woman, as this one does, hates himself
> and hates his mother as well. Go check your head, fellow.
> 
>You are such an idiot that I don't think you should be taken seriously. BTW I 
>consider myself a conservative, but I don't liken myself to people like Clarence
>Thomas. They certainly do not represent Black conservatism for me. Try reading 
>Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, or maybe Malcolm was too anti-white for you.
> 
> Femi.
>(This is coming from a black man who has been "dissed" and treated badly by black
>women before for many of the reasons as the idiot who made the origional posting, but 
> but hasn't decided to hate them as a result.) You are fu*ked up.
=========================================================================

To date you are only the second person to allude to the "conservatism"
of Malcolm X.  The only other time I have heard this was in a recent
(Dec 23, 92, I think) issue of the New Republic by Shelby Steele.
He made a case for the conservative heroics of Malcolm X.

What does conservatism mean to you?  Are there different kinds
of Black-conservatism?

-SteveS
From: dawn@umiacs.umd.edu (Dawn Vance)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Jelly's Last Jam
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:25:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Hi Folks,

I saw Jelly's Last Jam on New Year's Eve and highly recommend it to anyone
planning to go to N.Y.C. in the near future. Rumor has it that Gregory Hines
will be replaced by his brother Maurice sometime in February, and although
Maurice is extremely talented, he doesn't have the presence of his brother --
imo. Savion Glover (who plays the young Jelly Roll Morton) is fantastic. That
kid can dance!! 

Speaking of Jelly Roll Morton, perhaps S. Chaney should hop over to broadway
to check out the play. He may learn something...

Dawn
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:24:45 GMT
Distribution: soc

In article <1993Jan11.163420.17310@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
>>hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
>>whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
>>I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
>>occur with as much frequency as the opposite.
>>
>Here is my theory (admittedly containing lots of generalizations):
>
>Most men prefer submissive women.  The stereotypical feeling is that black
>women are the least submissive of all women and Asian women are the most
>submissive.  Therefore, black men date white women and white men date
>Asian women in larger numbers than the reverse.  This leaves black women
>and Asian men sitting at home on Saturday nights.  Maybe they should date
>each other. 

I would have guessed that it was due to standards of beauty in this
country -- how "beautiful" women are always noseless and blonde.
(Remember that poster ad in the 50's that said "If I have only one life
to live, let me live it as a blonde"?) 

This is, however, an excellent point.  The "cutiepie" factor comes into
play here, too.  I think you've hit the nail on the head.

And before I get stomped, NO.  I'm not saying that all men are pigs(tm)
and want submissive slaves to wash their feet.  I happen to know far too
many wonderful men to believe that.  But, that's sure as hell what
they're ENCOURAGED to want.  

Regards,
Janis C.
From: cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 5 Jan 1993 03:26:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:

>In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu>
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>[intro to story about being lectured by a Black woman for dating
>a white woman deleted]
>
>>I refused to back down about my girlfriend (new girlfriend at that),
>>and we ended up in an argument about whether or not I am an Oreo.
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[over-generalizations about the character of Black women deleted]
>
>>    I don't make fun of your funny African clothes or
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>    hairdos, or your long nails or whatever. 

>The juxtaposition of these two underlined phrases says it all.
>A person that was truly "100% Black", as you claim to be, would
>find nothing "funny" about African clothes. IMHO there is no                    
>argument -- the symptoms point to a chronic case of "oreoism".

>There's nothing wrong with inter-racial dating per se, but there
>is something very wrong when someone excludes members of his/her
>own race because of some imaginary/overgeneralized shortcomings.
>Its called self-hatred. 

>        Darryle


AMEN, my brother. I couldn't have said it better - or more
rationally - than that. I'm glad someone was able to have a
clear head when he was typing! ;)

...and yes these opinions are all mine....                 
...no one else would dare....
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     ********    This is our year - GO CAVS!!!    ********
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women: (OH PLEEZ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:25:03 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1512@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.092248.4917@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>
>> What I wear, how I dress my hair is also
>>> an extension of how I see myself.  
>>Well put statement.
>>Tundrea 
>>Memphis State University
>
>Well, I realise that everyone is entitled to do what they want. A person see
>themselves as a white woman in their most beutiful dream. 
>
>But if you think that you are beutiful only when you look white, why would
>you take umbrace at those who go after the real white women?  If a white 
>woman has become acknowledged as the great ideal to which all must aspire

I don't think she said that she thinks she's only beautiful when she
looks white.  I read more that since the only real examples of beautiful
women we see are white women (and we're talking way fucking white
women) that she just grew up getting used to that and thinking that was
what "beautiful" meant.  Not uncommon among black women, I think, and I
think it's more of an indicator of how selective our images of beauty
are than that the original poster wants to "be white."   

Also, it seems to me that no one has a problem with Chaney's dating a
white woman; this has been specifically mentioned in many posts.  People
are offended, and rightly so IMO, because he posted a really long
diatribe on how fucked up all black women are.  Two quite different
things. 

>The essence of my posting is that there a should a reappraisal and a responsi
>ble measure of responsibility attendant to entitlement. Blackmen should not be
>begrudged white women if black women "can have them".

Again, I didn't get the feeling that anyone was begrudging anyone
anything -- but I do take exception to your expression that black men
can "have" white women.  We're not CD players or sportscars.  The woman
also chooses a black man.  I got the feeling that it was Chaney's
wholehearted condemnation of all black women on the basis of a really
rotten stereotype that he's bought into that pissed people off.  

Regards,
Janis C.
From: 01mawatson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:36:46 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1iqa0iINNbjk@gap.caltech.edu>, sun@cco.caltech.edu (Neal K. Chaudhary) writes:
> Just watching some TV recently and I noticed that it seems like the
> racial barrier has increased from about 5-10 years ago even on TV.
> Seems like all the commercials are white people, except for your
> occasional tree-planter with a sweaty shirt, and it seems like all the
> shows are either all white or all black or some artificial half black
> half white family.   Except talk shows like Arsenio, which I think are
> somewhat progressive since he seems to have some blacks and some
> whites.  Also lethal weapon was good, atleast it was somewhat
> realistic.  As a minority, I think that Blacks are very
> underrepresented on TV, as if the TV execs forgot about them or wish
> to.
> 
As for blacks on television, I noticed something on a couple of soap operas.
In the two I pay any attention to (General Hospital and As the World Turns)
there is only one black per show. Both are professional females (one is a 
doctor, the other a lawyer), and both are married to white men. 

Has anyone noticed a similar trend on other shows?

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:57:16 GMT

In article <C0pB6p.149@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

[deleted]

>	In the end, I'm not so sure that race makes it a "different"
>kind of love.  Perhaps there is the advantage of a shared cultural
>history and understanding (but then again, perhaps not), as well as
>the advantage of not having to deal with the added social hassles
>faced by interacial couples.  However, I'm not completely convinced
>that it is a deep down different, or lesser, experience to love
>someone of another race

Each experience of love feels different to the extent that each person
ones loves is different.  I love many people on this Earth, and each
time it feels different.  I never feel the same way twice.  

To the extent that "race" (whatever that is; I should say "cultural
race") defines a person's personality, that is how it impacts on love.
It still permits anyone's inner individuality to be felt and make itself
evident, with that part of the definition, too.

Regards,
Janis C.
From: rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:12:35 GMT
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah

In article <C0pvt5.8w2@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
>Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:22:16 GMT
>In article <1993Jan11.200859.21582@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <ISBELL.93Jan11111938@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>>>
>>>Yo! A Rapper's Domestic Policy Plan;How Clinton Can Bring Hope to
>>>Alienated Black America 
>>>By Paris 
>>> 
>>> [letter deleted]
>>>
>>
>>That was a very good and interesting letter.  I wonder if Clinton will actually
>>read it....
>
>I hope so.  It makes more sense than the McLaughlin Group.
>
>>                                            T-Dub
>>                                            SHYGUY Productions
>
>-- 
>--David J.-----------------------*********************************************
>--Blue Riddle Productions 1993---   "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE"
>--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
>---------------------------------*********************************************
So where can one buy Pari's album Sleeping with the Enemy.  I heard his 
record label, Tommy Boy, punked out and wouldn't release due to the fallout 
of Ice T.  His first one was a classic!
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From: Dalcio.Dacol@launchpad.unc.edu (Dalcio Dacol)
Subject: Dr. Percy Lavon Julian honored in US Post Office stamp.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:12:13 GMT

  
  	From The Scientist, Vol:6, #24, December 7, 1992,
	
	Stamp Of Approval
	
	Although it isn't receiving as much publicity as the Elvis 
	Presley stamp to be issued January 1, a stamp honoring a noted 
	African American scientist will be available next month. Percy 
	Lavon Julian, who pioneered the chemical synthesis of drugs, is 
	to be featured on a 29-cent stamp as part of the U.S. Postal 
	Service's commemorative Black Heritage Series. Julian, who lived 
	from 1899 to 1975, was one of the first African Americans to 
	receive a Ph.D. in chemistry and to open his own chemical 
	manufacturing operation. He received a master's degree from 
	Harvard University in 1923 and a Ph.D. from the University of 
	Vienna in 1931. He taught at Howard University and several other 
        institutions before founding Julian Laboratories Inc. in 1953.
        In 1935, Julian synthesized physostigmine, a drug used to treat 
        glaucoma; he later developed steroids and synthesized 
        progesterone, testosterone, and cortisone from the soybean 
        protein. He was a member of the National Academy of Sciences. The 
        stamps will go on sale January 30.

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From: waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 9 Jan 1993 06:39:30 GMT
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In article <C0KEwr.FHE@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu 
      (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>(yes there are still some racist assholes out
>there that hate jews, but face it: the jews have made it. they control the
>media/government)

First, if "the jews" control the media, then why is it Xmas specials 
that are replayed ad nauseum during December?  And if "the jews"
control the government, why are there no more than a handful of Jewish 
congresstypes and, as yet, no Jewish president?  

>Well said... Asian Americans should be cautious, but should never take the
>offensive and prejudice against other races.

Good advice, there.  How about taking it yourself?   


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From: FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:09:45 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <72883@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com says:

>Here's an open ended one - what does Malcolm x mean to you?

>Is it a X cap and shirt? Is it dissing white people?

>To me, a conservative Asian American, it means a man who proves that
>people can change for the better, and people who are destructive criminals
>don't have to live that way. He stands against crime and murder, and if
>every African America really followed X's advice, East Palo Alto wouldn't
>be the murder capital of America, or the the Bay Area's drive thru
>drug market. It seems sad that a man whose message was to study hard, work
>hard, and stay out of trouble seems to be the symbol of anything but that.


You know something, Arthur. I'm wondering about the seriousness of this ques-
tion you are posing. Are you asking this because you truly want to learn some-
thing, or is this another one of your "statistical", "scientific" studies. I
believe ppl had enough of that bullshit already. Try to start the New Year on
a positive note.

But, by chance if you do want to learn something, maybe I'll give you the bene-
fit of the doubt.

Malcolm X taught many things to AfAms. He taught self-respect of one's self by
not denying one's history. Afams were taught for years to hate their past his-
tory (ie: African culture, or anything else about AfAm culture). He also taught
folx not to be afraid of the white power structure, in general. One of the most
important I think he taught was self-empowerment. He surely knew that we didn't
have things. And w/out such, one cannot begin to talk about nation bldg for
sufficiency.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.


Fred Rozenblad
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Addresses of African-American Colleges
From: wreed@netlink.cts.com (Wayne Reed)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 04:53:01 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Can anyone send me the internet addresses of African-American colleges?
Thanks.
Wayne Reed

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