From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Sectarian Iran and Mr. Ibrahimi!!!!
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:23:51 GMT

    In responce to my last article, yesterday I received the following
e-mail from A. Jaber. I waited more than 24 hours to see if he posts the
article in sci, but he didn't. Some of his remarks in this e-mail are so
ridicules that even he himself has realized, and decided not to express
them in public. Here's the e-mail along with my responce, and I've 
underlined the most funny parts:

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From @seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk:phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 06:37:23 1992
From: "A. Jaber" <phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:36:02 +0100
To: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca
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>>From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
>>
>>How about saddam's alliance with the same criminal wahabis in Arabia
>>and Sabahs in Kuwait during 8 years of war against Iran? 
>
>	Saddam was using the Wahhabis to get rid of them, it is not easy
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>	to get rid of the Wahhabis since they are supported by the USA.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     This is so ridicules which does not need any disscusion!!


>	You will stand with any body against Iraq including the USA or
>	the great Satan as your Khomeini used to call them. VERY GOOD my
>	friend.

    I'll never stand with USA to do anything, including removing
Saddam Hussein from power. But as I proved in my previous articles, and
you never dared to answer my proof, USA and Saudi Arabia have never been
and still are not willing to remove saddam, because he is the best guy
to preserve west and Israel's interests in the region


>	The USA does not need to fight Saddam because your Friend the
>	leader of Hizb Al-Dawa Al-Islami who is based in Teharn and
>	Riyadh is doing the job. Mr Hakeem just received $60 millions
>	from the Wahhabis and CIA.

      Even if it's true, it's nothing compared to Billions of Dollars
which saudis gave to Saddam to suppress Islamic Revolution in the region.
So be comfortable that your Saddam can not be removed by just $60 Million.
Also what other people are doing with other governments has noting to do
with Iran.


>
>	Is this what you want Iraq to kill its Christian Citezens. 
>	This is exactly what I used to hear from Radio Tehran.

     You have heard manythings elss too, and never have been able to prove.
Christians in Iran have their own rights, but they won't be our leaders
or founder and idealog of our party or foreign Minister or deputy
Prime Minister. Becaues 99% of Iranian are Muslims.


>	All what you know about the support of Iran to the Palestinians
>	is  Rhetoric on the radio and Newspaper. I used to read Kayhan.
>	Iran Khomeini was supporting the Marxist group of Palestinians
>	to kill Muslim Palestinians because the Alawi president of Syria
>	Hafez Assad is being fought by the Muslims in Syria. 

     You give us the name of a single Marxist group supported by Iran.
Also show your evidence in this matter.

>	You have seen destruction in Syria, this is what your friend
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Assad has done by pulling out of Golan and give it to Israel.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	In 1973 the Iraqi division was the only division to reach
>	Palestine and fight until your Alawi friends betrayed the Iraqi 
>	Army and ran away. If your friend the Shah was not figthing Iraq
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	over Shatt Al-Arab the Iraqi Army could have destroyed Israel
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	many decades ago. The Shah was supporting the Kurds( Barzani) in
>	the north of Iraq to Keep Iraq out of the war with Israel and
>	was fighting Iraq over Shatt Al-Arab with the help of the USA
>	to take Iraq's right in its waterway.
>
>	Then came your Imam Khomeini. Iraq gave him recognition because
>	they thought he will change the Shah Policies. Khomeini did not
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	agree to return a single inch of Arab land and on the contrary
 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	started to send terrorist into Iraq and killed 500 people in 
>	Al-Mustansiriyya.
>
>	Khomeini continued the effort of the Shah by refusing to make 
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	peace with Iraq so Iraq can join the rest of The Arabs in
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	fighting Israel. Remember while Khomeini was fighting Iraq
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	the Israelis manged to destroy Iraq's Nuclear recator. This
>	is to help Iran to keep going in the War.  Khomeini has
>	the same goals of Israel which is destroy Iraq.

  1- You are so blinded by hatred that even are ready to exonerate Israelies
for their crimes in Qunaytareh. Keep going!!!

  2- Shah was not my friend. Islimc revolution overthrew him because of his 
close ties with West and Israel, then the Israeli embassy in Tehran was
changed to Palestinian embassy, the flow of Iranian oil to Israel was stopped
and Iran started to help financially and by sending volunteers to fight 
against Israel. All these facts was ignored by people like you who prefered
to be an Arab racist rather than a Muslim Palestinian.

  3- The conflict for Arvand-Rood (so called Shat Al-Arab)was created by
Ba'ath party to avoid getting involved against Israel. Arvand-rood is a 
borther river wich more than half of it's water come from Iran's rivers
and has been used by both Iran and Iraq commonly, freely, and equally. There
is no reason for Iraq to ask complete ruleing on such a river. This was
Ba'athi regim who started the war with Iran and of course was beaten like
a rabbit. Only foolish people like Ba'athis may belive that ruleing over
Arvand-Rood has anything to do with the fight against Israel.

  4- The conflict over Arvand-rood occured around the 1975. After that
there was a peace treaty between Iran and Iraq, Algeria Treaty. That peace
lasted up to 1980, when Saddam tore the treaty in Iraqi television and
started his aggression against Islamic revolution.  Also Kurds were calm
after 1975. What the hell was Ba'athi regim doing in those years to fight
against Israel?!

  5- You will carry your wish of seeing a single inch of Iranain land
being separated by anybody to your grave.

  6- There was no war between Iran and Iraq before Iraqi invasion of Iran.
Why should Iran make peace with Iraq before the war?!!

>
>>No. My source comes from over one Milion Iraqi Kurds who came
>>to Iran last year after brutal masaceres by Ba'athi army. My source
>>comes from Halabja in which 5,000 Iraqi Kurds were chemically masacered
>>by Saddam Hussein, and from hundreds of Kurdish vilages fllatened by Ba'athis
>>in the opperation named "Al-Anfal". It comes from the ruines of Karbala
>>and Najaf, in which Shi'as were killed by thousands. You are such
>>a bad-informed guy!!!
>
>	The Kurds who left are the ones who were chased by their own
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Peshmerga by orders of the CIA to keep the political pressure on
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Iraq. Many independent reportes reported this and now the
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Kurdish problem is of their own making. 
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


   This one is really funny. Hey man! you must really love Saddam!!!
	
>	Those who dyed in Halabja were killed by both Iranian and Iraqi
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>	Chemical weapons. Iran is buying chemical weapons from India and
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	have used it against the Iraqi army as well. Any way it was a
>	war;;;;;

>A Jaber
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