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From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Now here's a dumb question!
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:28:57 GMT
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heff@apollo.HP.COM () writes:
: 
: The service manual never mentions such a procedure, not even as part of
: removing and disassembling the carbs.  My particular bike ('82 Yamaha 
: Vision 550) does seem to have overflow/vent tubes on or near the carbs.
: Does this mean my carb bowls don't need to be drained, or does it mean that
: generally it's so simple, they just assume you can do it?

: jeff.

On the left side of the carbs (viewed in the convention of a rider sitting
on the seat facing forward) there are drain tubes and drain screws. At the 
bottom of each carb is a white plastic hose fitting, with a tube connecting 
between each fitting, and a second tube leading from the front carb fitting to
the bottom of the bike. Just to the right of each fitting nozzle/tube
connection there is a screw. Those are the drain screws. Back them out to 
drain the carbs. 
Which shop manual do you have? There is a diagram on page 4-1 of the
Yamaha manual.....it shows all the parts, but only one drain screw is
labeled. The Haynes manual has a good diagram, with labels, plus pictures.
The diagram is on page 101. Get the Haynes manual if you can. A good bookstore
can get it...it would be in "Books in Print", under Subject: Motorcycles,
Yamaha. It's ISBM 0 85696 821 8. In the past, the Vision (XZ550) manual
from JC Whitney was actually the Haynes manual, even though they don't
tell you that. I don't know if they still supply it.
------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
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                              FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: AMA insurance?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:48:13
Distribution: usa


"leighann" == Leigh Ann Hussey <leighann@quetzal.sybase.com> writes:

leighann> I insure through the AMA.  The company that handles the AMA
leighann> accounts is Frank B. Hall, formerly of Columbus OH, now of

A comment about AMA/Frank B. Hall:

I bought a 1992 R100R in August of 1992.  I was 25 years old,
motorcycle license for a year, clean record for 7 years, single.  The
dealer had insurance for about a $1K/year, but I said "hey, lemme look
around".

Most of the places I found were $1100-$1200.  Then I remember
AMA/Frank B. Hall.

Their quote?

First, they said $750 or so a year. "Oh goodie!" thought I.  Then they
said "Oh wait, you're single.  That'll be $2650 a year.".  $2650.
Roughly a third of the purchase price of a retro BMW.  I asked where
the $750 figure came from.
Them:  "That's the married rate."
Me:    "Ok, so how old do I have to be before my rates are in that
range."
Them:  "36."
Me:    "That's completely outrageous!"
Them:  "I'd be suprised if you can find it cheaper anywhere else.
That's a big bike."
Me:    "Uh, the dealer quoted me $950 or so, <foo> quoted 1100, <bar>
quoted 1170."
Them (interrupting): "Well, those rates are probably just for
liability and not for full coverage."
Me:    "No, that's full coverage.  I've even got a written quote from my
dealer."
Them:  "That can't be right."
Me:    "Well, I guess we'll find out.  Bye." [click]

The next day, I discovered a State Farm agent on San Antonio who wrote
me a full coverage policy, regular usage, yada yada yada for around
$850 a year.

If you get a good rate from AMA/FBH, I'm glad for you.  But I'd be
really surprised.

--
J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311 (DoD# 0378)
"It is the cunning of form to veil itself continually in the evidence
of content.  It is the cunning of the code to veil itself and to produce
itself in the obviousness of value." -- Baudrillard
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Moab '93 discussion in r.m.dirt
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:02:27 GMT

Just a pointer over to rec.motorcycles.dirt if you're interested in a
repeat performance of last year's net.dirt.gather/crash&burn in the
Moab/Canyonlands area of Southern Utah.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 09:12:26 CET
From: Roy Jaques <RJAQUES@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Are BMWs form or function?

> Bavarian Motorcycling Wonder

So someone has moved the motorcycle factory from Berlin to Bavaria have they ?
Maybe Bavaria has expanded a bit ! to include Spandau.

Roy Jaques
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Its off to the basement we go
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:24:35 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <1993Jan25.165754.6425@bnr.uk> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>Bennett Lee Leve (bleve@hoggle2.uucp) wrote:
>: Boy am I glad that I live in Florida.  I have never tried stairs
>: with my Sabre, but I have had to move it into a moving truck once.
>                                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>: It was a last minute thing, so I did not have any wood to make a
>: ramp.  It took 6 people to get it into the truck and the same 6 to
>: get it out again.  That really sucked.  
>

I moved my CB750 back from school this Dec. with a u-haul. (no ramp).
Took 3 people to put it in and out.  Two lifting, one steadying.  It
really wasn't that bad.

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: V-TWINS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:54:08 GMT

ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
: Yep, It ain't a bike unless it's a V-Twin. There's no other bike like
: it. Me an' my best biker friend each have V-Twins, wouldn't have it any
: other way. Mine's a 1982 Yamaha Vision V-Twin, and his is 1978 Moto
: Guzzi V 50 II V-Twin.
: 

I AGREE! Ride a V-Tein myself - an RGV250          :-)
-- 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roland Besserer          QUAD Systems, Santa Cruz             roland@quadsys.com
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:34:06 GMT

jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:

>Wow! I've been gone only a week and the ZX-6 vs. Goof2 has evolved into
>nationalitic griping! Amazing.

>Not to digress, but I just have to interject, the ZX11's I saw in Europe 
>were blessedly bereft of Ninja decals. They had very tasteful ZZR stickers. 
>So I think I've proved my case that the Japanese think we Yanks are infantile,
>chauvinistic, cretins, whilest the Euro's are the cultured mature squids.

Methinks you've rested your case too soon. Check out the wonderful purple
& orange paint scheme on the '93 European model. Gack! I can only assume
that Kawasaki takes the Europeans for colorblind art critics.

Could be the noble British censorship board at work too. Use of the word
"ninja" seems to be some sort of crime against the queen over there.
Ever hear of the kiddie movie "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles"? What's
next, the letter "X"? Too late! I think the censors already got that one
too. The ZX-11 is a ZZR-1100 over there.

So Nick, is it true that the Queen's English only has 25 letters now?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: All-wheel drive???
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:07:31 GMT

robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:

>I was talking to a friend the other day, and he told me about a motorcycle
>show he went to a while back.

>He claims he saw an old Spagthorpe prototype that had a driven front wheel.
>It was a water-cooled bike, but instead of a radiator, it had sort of a
>boiler affair.  They ran steam lines down the front forks to a steam 
>turbine in the front hub (the hub apparently looked sort of like a 
>front drum brake type deal).  The clever part was the centrifugal vane
>advance on the turbine which would adjust the vanes for maximum torque
>when stopped, and maximum power at speed.

>I was sort of skeptical, but he explained the reasoning behind it:  an
>internal combustion engine is only about 70% efficient, with the rest
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No where even close.  An internal combustion engine is around 30% 
efficient and that is probably a little high.

>being lost to heat.  If you only get 50% efficiency out of the steam 
>turbine, that's still 15% power that would otherwise blow away in the 
>wind.  15% power to the front wheel may not sound like much, but 
>proportionally, it's similar to the amount of efficiency you get out of
>a rear brake.  So, when you look at it that way it doesn't seem so 
>unreasonable.

>The goal behind the driven front wheel design was similar to that of 
>4-wheel drive cars--increased cornering stability, and better control
>on surfaces with poor traction.  

>I was concerned about the effect of the additional unsprung weight in 
>the front wheel, but my friend just said, "Hey, it's a Spagthorpe."
>Good point.  Apparently these bikes were never made in quantity, because
>the cost of British union steamfitters would have made production bikes
>prohibitively expensive.

>My friend said he had some pictures he could show me, but he just moved
>and hasn't unpacked them yet.  I was just wondering if anyone else has
>seen or heard about this bike.  The idea sounds sort of interesting; I'm
>just wondering how practical it would be.  I mean, it sounds like some
>of the things Honda has come up with.



>-- 
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
>                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
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From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Re: really, really waterproof gloves?
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:30:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.165842.6651@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, david@marie.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
|> I've heard of great luck with neoprene diver's gloves.  Neoprene *is*
|> waterproof (water enters a wetsuit at the seams and edges, not thru
|> the neoprene) and it's also warm.  The only disadvantage might be in
|> its stiffness; I tried this idea once with a cheap pair of hunting
|> gloves and my fingers just weren't bent the right way.  Eventually, my
|> muscles got tired of fighting the neoprene and my hands started to
|> hurt. <stuff deleted>

I agree I tried neoprene hunters gloves in an effort to try and prevent
freezing fingers. I don't think they were much warmer than leather and
they were not designed for motorcycling.

|> The other reason I see for disliking these is that they won't provide
|> a whole lot of protection if you meet Mr. Road.  Dish gloves over
|> leather gloves are indeed better in that respect, but it seems as
|> though they would be more inconvenient...  Although I can see that
|> wearing dish gloves over either heavy winter gloves or light summer
|> gloves would do the same thing, cost less, and give you the right
|> temperature protection...  Hmmm; maybe I'll just go and investigate
|> dish gloves while you're investigating neoprene :-)

In one of the latest motorcyclists or cycle worlds they mention wearing
surgical gloves over regular ones. Haven't had a chance to try it yet.
I'm not too confident I can find surgical gloves large enough to go over
my winter gloves.

Von

-- 
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: non Re: magnetic tankbags
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:33 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan22.151700.21116@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes...
]In article <mjs.727693802@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: 
]>not too much of a problem...but when I went to France last year, I had to
]>turn the bike round in the car deck of the ferry...the horn button made
]>constant contact with the tankbag, so the horn was blaring away in the
]>big echoing cavern of a car deck, making me less than popular with everyone
]>else on board...unfortunately it took several goes to get the bike pointing
]>the other way....

]I didn't know that they made bikes where the horn worked with the ignition
]off.
	The Ariel Leader was like that.  Our 17-year-old cousin had to take
the fuse out whenever he visited, or us kids would flatten the battery blowing
the horn.

>I've        bra                       like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                         buy  it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rising Insurance Charges versus decreasing Accident Rate (U.K)
Keywords: insurance, accidents
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:10:09 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:

>Well, unformtunately, the figures mean nothing without some indication
>of how many miles were travelled on motorcycles. If travel by bike
>halved in the last five years, as well as the death rate - then so
>what?

Hmmm - seem to recall reading somewhere that although new motorcycle
sales have been going down over the last few years, the number actually
*registered for use on the road hasn't changed much - folk are hanging
on to their bikes rather than buying new ones.

In fact, the official annual mileage rate for a bike is something absurd,
like about 2500 mikes a year, which is one reason why bikes come out of
the accidents per mile figures so badly. 

 
 

>In terms of insurance, I suspect the rates are rather more linked to
>theft than death nowadays. When bike manufacturers come up with
>reasonable deterrents, then maybe the insurance will go down. However,
>adding that deterrent cost the manufacturer money, so the bike price
>goes up, so your insurance rises......

Hmmm - I'm not convinced about the theft thing either...Norwich Union want
about 200 quid from me for TPF&T on my FJ1100. Fully comp, they want 900
quid. That's seven hundred quid for the damage they think I'm going to do
to my bike. Can this be right?? 

Some time ago, I read a letter in a bike mag from someone in the insurance
business. He said that one of the reasons that bikes were so expensive to
insure was that the bike insurer *always* paid for the damage to the bike,
regardless of which party was to blame for the accident. Since bikes usually
come off worst after colliding with other vehicles, the bill for fixing
them was often more than for the vehicle that caused the prang. There wasn't
any follow-up correspondence to that letter, so I don't know how much
truth there was in it. Anyone know??
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Police blame BMW
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:29:46 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1993Jan26.233948.10146@triage.UUCP> chris@triage.UUCP (Groucho) writes:
   ***   various inflamitory comments deleted   ***

> ... The Germans never could
>make their bikes handle.  Still can't, from what I can tell.  Oh sorry.
>Someone says the price of the bike and "superior" engineering indicate 
>otherwise?  Silly me...  B-)
>
>
>Christopher Perez - chris@triage.rain.com  MOA #....   RA # ....
                                            ^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^^^
>The List->  Ducatis: 500SL, 750GT, 860GT  	MINT Yamaha: RD400F For Sale
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Rule #1: Always purchase the Ducati of your dreams when she comes available.
>Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.


Hey Chris -

You must be claiming to be knowlegable about BMW's due to your recently
established memberships in the BMW clubs ... IMNSHO you aren't there yet!

Your technical info so gratutiously provided above still misses the mark.
Misses the lira also.  Back to school I think!

BTW, where's the club membership #'s in your .sig <??>


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                          Columbus, Ohio USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: New Bike (just Ignore the stickers)
Keywords: 
    a) A propensity to do stupid things
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:44:27 GMT

    b) A propensity to race or beat the hell out of the bike
The bike was also the only color which I really wanted:  Black.
I would have bought it if it were any color (almost) but who wants
to look down and see a blinding Puke Green?

Man, was it a cold ride home. ~180 miles.  It must have been around
30 degrees.

First bad thing:  While getting gas, I dropped the key down into the
left side of the bike.  I ended up buying a flash light and taking
part of the left bodywork off, but I found the key.

Second bad thing:  I lost a little plastic screw recepticle.  A
$.10 piece that I later had to pay about $3.25 to replace.  

Could this be a sign that more and more of my income will be going
towards plastic?

BTW:buymyoldbikeed

Jack Waters II
Dod#1919 (The Red Fishnet)
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Slippery stuff?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:02:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

God ,what a load of wimps, whining about ice, wet etc. The raod was DRY once
last week, so I thought I'd go Californian. I put 5 mph on my normal wet road
paranoia speed and caught the road on my footpeg. So, all you experts out there 
- how do you ride in the dry? Seems to me dry roads are dangerous.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Spagthorpe Chihuahua Hit by Bicyclist on Skyline Drive
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 05:48:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.194537.8811@cheshire.oxy.edu> pursell@cheshire.oxy.edu (William Robert Pursell) writes:
>
>>For example, it's common to drive at night with only parking 
>>brakes on. 
> ^^^^^^^^
>I'm sure glad they don't use other brakes when they drive!
>
>
>But seriously....this article has nothing to do with
>the subject "backed into" or "re:backed into".  
>I'm probably being overly sensitive, but I would
>like to suggest that everyone start a new subject
>line when they start up a new subject!
>
>-Bill

*THBPPTH*  *THBPPPTH*  *THBPPPPPPTH*

Go read DoD rule #1
   apply rule #0.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                          Columbus, Ohio USA

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re:      Thanks to all who responded
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:32:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.184224.23076@fuug.fi> an4929@anon.penet.fi (gonzo) writes:
>problem.  Well, I replaced the regulator, and the bike started a few
>days ago, but it was cold, and I couldn't run it too long.  But, it
>kept stalling, and I'm afraid that it wasn't the regulator.  I tried
>yesterday to start it, and got a sprak which killed the electrical
>system if I pressed the starter.  If I unhooked and rehooked the
>battery, the lights would go back on, and presiing the starter killed
>that again.  Now, I'm having to have it towed up to a bike shop to be
>looked at ($45 just to look it over and do some minor tests).

With those symptoms, I'd suspect a loose or corroded connection...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hemming Leather PantS
Date: 19 Jan 93 01:32:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <tcora-130193081913@b329-gator-1.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>Obmoto: My wife bought me new leather pants for Christmas. They came
>unhemmed (ie, one length fits all), so I've gotta have that taken care of
>(before Sunday's Polar Bear Ride). Everyone I've talked to says they should
>be glued, rather than sewn (not that you can't sew them, just that the glue
>is easier to deal with, which makes sense to me). Is this correct?
>

You gonna wear 'em tucked in yer boots, or loose?   If tucked in, just
hack the legs off where you want to; it's not like they're going to
unravel or anything.  Hemming is primarily a cosmetic thing, especially
on leather.  My chap legs don't have hems, either glued or stitched.
But if you want to hem, then definitely stitch.  Glue will give way
eventually -- *any* glue.  You can glue first, then stitch, as an
alternative to pinning, in which case, let the glue dry before you
(machine) sew so it doesn't gum up the works.   Damnear any sewing
machine will sew garment leather (which is what I presume the pants are
made of) -- but do make sure you have a heavy-duty needle.  Any store
that has notions and other sewing supplies ought to sell needles that
fit your sewing machine (or your friends', or whosever the hell else
you can find) that are stout enough for leather -- they'll say
"leather/canvas" or something like that on the package.

Good luck,
	- Leigh Ann

----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey  
leighann@sybase.com           {sun,lll-tis,pyramid,pacbell}!sybase!leighann
DoD#5913                  AMA#624549                    AWRRA#23 (skidoo!)
'74 Honda CB360 "Fyrdraka"   			'81 Yamaha Maxim650 "Elhaz"
"I do not trust thee, Cage from Hell, / The reason why I cannot tell, /
But this I know, and know full well: / I do not trust thee, Cage from Hell."