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From: zennaro@iesd.auc.dk (Christina Zennaro)
Subject: accepting gays and lesbians
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<1992Oct30.173017.14979@ncsu.edu>
	<ZENNARO.92Nov2123129@mohr.iesd.auc.dk>
	<1992Nov9.033520.3668@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:04:47

Christopher R. Dunlea wrote:

>Why label yourself at all? I think acceptance comes not from asserting 
>differences from hets but from showing that sex is NOT a great determining
>factor in life. After all, the concept of "Het pride" is repugnant to me--
>although I am het. I think homosexuality can be accepted by "the mainstream"
>if gays/lesbians are 

Because you see it everywhere around you while lesbians are still very
difficult to find. AND you still hear fx. teachers make derogatory
remarks in class. I did only 7 years ago when I was about to come out.

>1. Not afraid of admitting openly they are gay, and

If we are you label us militant, so damned if you do it and damned if
you dont.

>2. More interested in showing they are better known as engineers, 
>miners, football players, lawyers, whatever rather than gay. When I
>was at UMass I knew several gays and lesbians, some in the militanty
>groups, some just going about their lives. I respected those people
>just doing their thing but keeping it private, where it should be.
>After all, should I be known by the way I make love to women,
>or how many I've had, etc? Or do i want to base my whole identity
>on my sexual preference? IMO, this is wrong and unfair to myself
>and to others. 

I suppose that you cant even begin to comtemplate how the world looks
like for a lesbian or gay teenager.

>Creating differnce creates fighting. Fighting solves nothing.

But we are different.

>Creating community creates acceptance. Acceptance solves EVERTYHING.

We dont have communities here like you do in USA.

>Chris

Christina

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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Why?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:48:24 GMT

In article <eagle.721315915@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel L'Hommedieu) writes:
>hoyerr@ucs.orst.edu (Richard Hoyer) writes:
>>If you were gay (or had even thought about how you became sexually aware) you
>>would know that homosexuality is not discovered.  It just happens.

>I did recently notice that the Bible says that "homosexual offenders
>shall not inherit the kingdom of God."  Notice that it explicitely uses
>the word, "offenders."  Kinda makes a heterosexual wonder if
>homosexuality really does "just happen."

Kinda makes *me* wonder if you took a close look at what you were reading.
Does the Bible make any comments at all about the etiology of homosexuality?
Was it written by people in a position to know?  

Now, why SHOULD the Bible make you kinda wonder?  Does its comments on,
say, physics or mathematics make you wonder? Or do you resort to scientific
observation for those matters?

>>I don't know.  Here in Corvallis, OR, there seem to be a lot more Lesbians
>>than Gays!  :-)

>Poor people from Lesbos!  (You do know that Lesbians are people from
>Lesbos, don't you?)

You do know that you're wrong, don't you?  In English, "Lesbian" has the
meaning of "female homosexual;" in most situations, this is the default
meaning.  Try consulting a dictionary when you're done reading the 
psychology books you've obviously missed; it will help you immensely.


Roger
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: sng@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin NG)
Subject: Why why why
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 04:38:49 GMT

Hope it works :)
I am just curious.  Why this channel is nothing much going on except
ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL war between some innocent people?

-kevin

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From: "Shane A. Johns" <sjohns@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Friends BBS
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:44:27 -0500

Hello all.  I am running a Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual BBS and am in need of
some callers.  We have tons of .gif and .jpg files for your viewing
pleasures, as well as on-line games, and such.  If you are game, and
are sick of high file-transfer credit ratios, give us a call at
812-857-0069.  You will need a modem and some kind of personal computer
to access this BBS.  And, if you are calling Long Distance, upon 
voice-verification via. collect call, you will be given a credit-free
account -- ie. no worry about uploading files.
From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Want to meet a gay person
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:35:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov05.153429.24034@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu>, eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp) writes...
>In article <Bx4740.B34@cs.psu.edu> cadwell@rad.psu.edu writes:
>>In article 1d4colINNhkg@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>>>In article <ZENNARO.92Oct29132448@mohr.iesd.auc.dk> zennaro@iesd.auc.dk (Christina Zennaro) writes:
>>>>I am a lesbian and know lots of gays. Some of them are assholes and
>>>>some of them hate women. But one fact you can count on is that every
>>>>gay is _surrounded_ with at least one het woman.
>>>>
>>>>Christina Zennaro

I've been watching this for about a week now.  I just have to ask.  How can 
one woman "surround" one man, het or no?  (and please don't give me the 
obvious answer, that only relates to part of one man).

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: dcarver@nyx.cs.du.edu (Douglas Carver)
Subject: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:04:09 GMT

     To the gentlemen engaging in the Amendment 2 debate:
I feel that the amendment is totally uncalled for and repulsive!  How
could so much hate exist in such a beautiful state?  Must be something in
the water.
     As for the "special rights" of the homosexuals, I must agree with
those who say they are not so special.  It was said that one user had a
high school buddy who turned out to be homosexual and who is opposed to
"special rights."  I was once such a fellow, but changed when I decided to
quit suppressing my own needs to make my straight friends more comfortable.
     As for the assumption that gays already make more money than
hetero's, I put it to you that gays are inclined to outperform hetero's
out of fear for loosing their jobs.
     As for the charge that gays can just sue for compensation, I propose
that all gays can't afford to sue when they get fired.  I'd dare to say
that most can't afford to do it.  Why don't we start firing straights? 
After all, they can sue and get a good compensation...Let's get real and
pretend we're grown-ups.
     The amendment in Colorado is a heinous affair, and I look forward to
it being repealed by the intelligent voters in the Grand Canyon state. 
Until it is repealed, I for one will discontinue my skiing plans there, as
well as any future plans to tour the Canyon again.  The fact that hate has
found its way into the legal system of the state is truly frightening.


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Det samfunnsvitenskapelige fakultet, Universitetet i Oslo
	<eagle.721315915@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:04:03 GMT

Somebody sent out a fake cancel for this article; I've received several
replies but most of them empty.

I'm reposting this in the hope than nobody tries to cancel the message
this time.

Serious replies to rolf.lindgren@usit.uio.no

From rolfl@ulrik.uio.no Thu Nov 12 16:01:15 1992
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Institutt for Humanistisk Informatikk, Blindern, Oslo, Norway
	<eagle.721315915@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:02:09 GMT

In article <eagle.721315915@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel L'Hommedieu) writes:
>   hoyerr@ucs.orst.edu (Richard Hoyer) writes:
>   >If you were gay (or had even thought about how you became sexually aware) you
>   >would know that homosexuality is not discovered.  It just happens.
>
>   I did recently notice that the Bible says that "homosexual offenders
>   shall not inherit the kingdom of God."  Notice that it explicitely uses
>   the word, "offenders."  Kinda makes a heterosexual wonder if
>   homosexuality really does "just happen."

What's your point? That what the Bible says about something should be taken
seriously? 

Consider this:

	"Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
					
					|
					V

	"Offenders who are homosexual shall not inherit the kingdom of
	God."

					|
					V

	"If you are an offender, and if you are homosexual,
	then you shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

	If homosexuality is an offence, then isn't "homosexual offenders" a
	redundancy?

	How about poor heterosexual offenders like I, will I inherit the
	kingdom of God? Is Biblical love reserved for heterosexuals? 

	The Bible says that God loves all and that his love of humanity is
	infinite: are homosexuals excluded from God's concept of "all" and
	"infinity" ?

	God sure isn't a good manual writer. You can't base hypotheses on
	paragraphs from the Bible, they can mean anything. 

	Flames to /dev/null, answers to my questions to
	rolf.lindgren@usit.uio.no, please. I'll summarise.

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:20:16 GMT

Aeleck says:
> INTERESTED!!! INTERESTED in what?  In homosexuals?  In some of the problems
> we face daily?  (bigotry, discrimination, etc...)  Or is it something more?
> Are you thinking that maybe you have homo/bi sexual tendancies?

OK.  Fair enough.  Actually, one of my three best friends in the world is
a gay guy.  Of the other two, one is my wife, and the third is vehemently
anti-homosexual.  So yes, I'm interested in the problems presented by exposure
to daily "bigotry, discrimination, etc...", because I've spent many many hours
with a guy who is facing these problems.
Furthermore, since I have spent so many hours around him, we have frequently
discussed sex, and while I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that I have 
"homo/bi sexual" tendencies, I have developed a strong curiosity and 
fascination with male-male sex.  In fact, since I have been doing the male-
female thing for so long, I find that depictions of male-male sex have a much
more stimulative effect for me than do depictions of male-female sex.

So, again (repetitively), the short answer is that I'm...

INTERESTED!!!

Gary.Saunders
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From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:58:28 GMT

  RE: The Grand Canyon

  Colorado is known as the Grand Canyon State to some boosters.  This is 
because the river that carved the Grand Canyon is the Colorado.
  I believe that the original poster proposed boycotting The Grand Canyon
State, not the state the Grand Canyon is in.
  It's been a long time since I've heard Colorado called that, BTW.

                            Bri....
From: jaeger@uoneuro.uoregon.edu (Rose Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: lesbian looking for lesbian email pals
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:39:47 GMT
Organization: Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon

I live in oregon and am looking for lesbian pen pals to communicate with and 
exchange info.  I live in rural Oregon with my partner and we raise pigs as 
a hobbie.  I also work in reseach and have a bs in bio.  send me news and 
fun.

Rose
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From: eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel L'Hommedieu)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:31:55 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

hoyerr@ucs.orst.edu (Richard Hoyer) writes:
>If you were gay (or had even thought about how you became sexually aware) you
>would know that homosexuality is not discovered.  It just happens.

I did recently notice that the Bible says that "homosexual offenders
shall not inherit the kingdom of God."  Notice that it explicitely uses
the word, "offenders."  Kinda makes a heterosexual wonder if
homosexuality really does "just happen."

>I don't know.  Here in Corvallis, OR, there seem to be a lot more Lesbians
>than Gays!  :-)

Poor people from Lesbos!  (You do know that Lesbians are people from
Lesbos, don't you?)

Daniel
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Subject: Re: GAYS
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:53:44 GMT

steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly)  writes:

>Here in Canada hate literature is banned, why doesn't this happen in
>the states?  Do you americans really think that your rights would be
>tread upon?  This kind of law only affect the rights of people
>who are out to cause REAL HARM.

Though I'm in agreement with you on your assertion that gays do not
want special rights, I do take issue with your paragraph above.
Yes, I fear that if hate literature is banned, my rights might be
trod upon. You see, Canada not only bans hate literature, it also
bans much that it deems pornographic. Glad Day (if I remember 
correctly the name of the gay bookstore in Toronto) is often
reported to have trouble receiving gay pix magazines and gay
literature, because customs deems it obscene.

Our first amendment is important enough to me that I'm not willing
to make exceptions for things I just find unstomachable, for fear
that what I write might be the next target.

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu 
Subject: You probably missed this...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:00 GMT

AP-Republicans-Out                                                          

                                                         ----------------   

                                                        ! GENERAL NEWS !    


-------------------------------------------------------------------------   

                              Limbaugh, Ailes make surprise announcement
-------------------------------------------------------------------------   

^                                                         
(New York City) -- Long time Republican strategist Roger Ailes and Rush
Limbaugh, author of the best-selling book "The way things out to be" held a
joint news conference this morning to announce that they are both
homosexual and plan to be wed.

Ailes, holding a copy of Limbaugh's best-selling book, "The way things out
to be" described the decision as "difficult, yet necessary."  Saying also,
"drapes were cleaner, easier to breathe, amazing results from the first
day" he admitted that, in fact, most hard-core Republicans are closet gays
that have yearned to be free for the past 12 years."

Holding a copy of his best-selling book, "The way things out to be", in his
formerly nicotine-stained fingers,  Limbaugh admitted that although the
recent Democratic victory in the presidential election had come as a great
shock, that both he and Ailes took it as a sign from God that, quote
"things had loosened up in this country to the point where we could finally
unmask ourselves."  Limbaugh also reported "Wow, Spanish is easy!"

The happy couple told the assembled reporters of gifts they have given each
other to celebrate the occasion:  Limbaugh, author of the best-selling
book, "The way things out to be" gave Ailes a specially-tailored shirt that
sports a custom collar large enough to be buttoned around Ailes' neck. 
Holding a copy of Limbaugh's best-selling book, "The way things out to be"
in his hand, Ailes described the relief he felt at actually being able to
wear a tie again.  For his part, Ailes presented Limbaugh with a copy of
the best-selling book "The way things out to be," for his collection.

Asked about their future plans, Limbaugh and Ailes said they would
honeymoon on a tramp steamer, describing the difficulty they would have
occupying a berth in the same standard size stateroom at the same time.
Following their return to New York, Ailes described their plans to create a
child saying, "we have so much to give."  When pressed on the question of
how two gay men would be able to create an offspring, Limbaugh, holding a
copy of his best-selling book "The way things out to be" in his formerly
nicotine-stained fingers answered, "Liposuction."  Adding, "After all, how
much television can we watch?"

APTV-11-10-92 0804CST<   
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Subject: Re: Public Apology (was Re: Why read this?)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:39:50 GMT

Actually, I had nothing against Aeleck's tone at all.  I thought it was a 
perfectly reasonable tone, and a perfectly reasonable question.  I guess
you mistook my SHOUTING for dislike of your tone, Aeleck.  Nothing could be
farther from the truth.  It's just that I always shout when I'm...

INTERESTED!!!

Great apology, though, if you had been taking a harsh tone.

On a more serious note, I'm not sure I agree that we CAN change anything
about the bigotry in the world.  But we can TRY.

Gary.Saunders
@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: justin@aix3090b.uky.edu (Justin P Sullivan)
Subject: Societal Rights (was: Colorado Amdendment)
    <1992Nov5.225117.29368@mercury.cair.du.edu> 
    <1992Nov6.000658.14333@tc.cornell.edu> 
    <1992Nov6.004142.378@mercury.cair.du.edu> <thom.721081135@access.digex.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: justin
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:34:38 GMT
Distribution: na

thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad) writes:

>You just made Melinda's point. Marriage entitles heterosexuals to
>financial (tax) and societal benefits. Homosexuals do not have equal
>rights.

Let's try not to get TOO subjective here.. It's all relative when your
talking about 'societal benefits.' For example, there aren't any laws
(except social) that say just because I'm an upper-class fellow, I'm
entitled to live in a better home, drive a better car, wear better clothes,
go to better schools, get a better job (sleep with prettier women, even if
I am a complete jerk :)... Yet, this is how people think, so it almost
becomes law. That's just the way it is, and I'm afraid you can't be rational
with those in my neighborhood on the far right wing.. In fact, when they
start to talk about problems in our society, homosexuality ranks at #1.
Maybe it's just Lexington? :) You just can't expect them to understand
alternate points of view.

>There are many ways in which people think they can tell, and some in
>which they can. What if they ask is you're gay or not? What if they
>just perceive you are? Many straight men that share apartments are
>often assumed to be gay, for example. What if your picture is on
>the local news because you work for a gay cause, and your landlord
>sees it?

Nob Hill in San Francisco is quite nice..

>Only homosexual males have a median income higher than heterosexual
>males. Lesbians actually make the lowest median income of all groups.
>Besides, median income is not the point. It doesn't matter how much
>gays are making on average if at any time one can be fired for no
>other reason than their orientation. It's happening already in Colorado.

I would suspect that this is because lesbians are (of course) women, and
women are almost NEVER paid as much as men for the same job.
I wouldn't waste time complaining about Colorado.. Either you don't move
there, live somewhere else if you already do live there, or run for 
office (good luck..)
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