HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jking@dante.NMSU.Edu (KING)
Subject: Re: OOP flexibility
Reply-To: jking@dante.NMSU.Edu (KING)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:09:16 GMT


>You can get the new and highly improved System Software Overview directly
>from GeoWorks (it's something like $10 or $15).

Who do you send to for it?  Some address as GEOS??

Thanks.


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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: config for GEOS
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:20:25 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

u34kcj@chulkn.chula.ac.th writes:

>	What is the newest version of PC/GEOS now?
>	Can Geoworks Pro run on XT with CGA with 640K or RAM?
>	and can Quattro Pro SE run on the same config as above?

GeoWorks Pro (GEOS 1.2.8.1 or thereabouts :)
Yes, as long as it's got a hard drive.
Yes, as long as it's got a hard drive.

The two products together should fit on a 10 meg hard drive, but a 20+ meg
would be more desirable.  They do look a lot prettier on more expensive
video subsystems, I must admit. :)

-Shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos,news.answers,comp.answers
From: darkangl@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Paul)
Subject: Re: Dumb Questions
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:36:26 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

In article <Pine.3.05.9301212245.A4381-b100000@Ra.MsState.Edu> you write:
>To any and all:

>6. I asked earlier, but haven't seen a reply (maybe I sent the message to
>Timbuctu, altho' I thought I was replying to a message) to why I have been
>receiving replies to messages before I get the original message.  I know
>this list is for those who do not have access to the newsgroup.  Are the
>original messages being sent to that newsgroup before this list?  I have
>not been able to find the newsgroup here.

This happens on a lot of large groups with heavy traffic.

Other people on this group will surely answer the GeoQuestions for you, but I
can take a stab at this one.  It has to do with the fact that Usenet is the
product of many servers, local networks, and gateways that are geographicly
far apart.  When you use a newsreader, you see a message number, but that
number is only local and dependent upon the order that your site has recieved
it.  Individual computing centers send their stuff out at irregular
intervals, and it is all transfered (for the most part) by UUCP, or Unix to
Unix copy protocol.  So a message originates in a small site A, and is often
first seen in a relatively nearby site B which sensd their stuff out more
often.  Your site recieves the message from B first (the reply) and then the
message from site A (the original post).  Things like this often get screwy,
and there is no real way to insure that the order is the same everywhere.  So
the big long thing in angle brackets eg <Pine.3.05.etc@Ra.MsState.Edu> is the
really important number for identifying a message.  (This is just one way
that it can happen).

>Thanks in advance for any replies.  And to all a good night.  Adieu.

So it is not a conspiricy against you, it just seems that way.

darkangl@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(ecn and feserve addresses coming soon...)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Dumb Questions
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:35:22 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

To any and all:
 Got a few questions for any who know the answers,  would just like to
make an educated guess or simply would like to give IMOs.

1. What are the possibilities of PCGeos (I'm a little fuzzy on the correct
terminology) becoming a real operating system, like DOS, OS2, or the Mac
geos?  The reason I bring this up is that the articles I have read on
Geoworks for the pentops don't say anything about it running on any other
platform.  I assume that it is the only o.s. on the pentops.  If this is
so, then could the same thing be done for pcs?  I would think not (or at
least not easily), or else why would it not be done?  

2. Can PCGeos fonts be gotten from ftp sites or be converted from fonts
elsewhere and how? A better question is: can and how can I get more fonts
for GeoWorks without spending a lot of money (a poor college student, I am)?

3. What other fonts can be converted to GeoWorks fonts?

4. Has there been any reports from GeoWorks of specific new functions to
be added to any of the components in 2.0?

5. I recently looked at the latest release of Ami Pro for Windoze. (It is
impressive when compared to Wordperfect 5.1.  However, it lacks the ease
of use when compared to GeoWrite.) I noticed that it lacks the capability
to convert GeoWrite files. Why? (I think I already know the answer to
this; I can think of two reasons myself, but I thought I would see what
came down the pike.) Is there any wordprocessor that can convert to or
from GeoWrite files?  

6. I asked earlier, but haven't seen a reply (maybe I sent the message to
Timbuctu, altho' I thought I was replying to a message) to why I have been
receiving replies to messages before I get the original message.  I know
this list is for those who do not have access to the newsgroup.  Are the
original messages being sent to that newsgroup before this list?  I have
not been able to find the newsgroup here.

Thanks in advance for any replies.  And to all a good night.  Adieu.

Lee Mohon
Miss. State Univ.


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fester@cs.washington.edu (Lea Fester)
Subject: Re: Video boards for PC/Geos
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:57:46 GMT

In article <1k1cldINN8l0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Sync) writes:
>I'm thinking of getting a new video board for my computer and I'm wondering
>if there is any advantage to getting one that is a Windowz accelerator. I don
>know if that kind of board is so optimized for Windowz that it will slow up
>other apps, or if it helps all GUI's. Anyone have a clue?

If it's a Windows acelerator, it is optimized for Windows.  It's not hard
to optimize for Windows since Microsoft tells you straight out what kind of
graphics functionality Windows expects to have.  That's called a Driver
Specification.

Optimization means that some of the functionality has been moved to hardware,
or less likely, that they worked damn hard to get some of the software-
implemented functionality as absolutely fast as possible :-).  An example
of this would be a hardware-based cursor.  Then all the stuff needed to make
sure that your windows (little w) don't obscure that cute arrow as the mouse
drags it around, or that when the arrow moves the underlying window (little
w) is still intact, has been moved to hardware.

A Windows accelerator won't slow down your other apps.  Basically, your
other apps won't know how to use that graphics board and they'll default
to VGA (or whatever your best STANDARD setting is on your PC.)  It has
ALWAYS been the case that special graphics boards needed special software
for applications to take advantage of them.  This is true whether the
graphics board was optimized for the kind of functionality Windows wants,
or whether its just some generic spiffy graphics board.

So, it won't slow down your other apps.  But it won't help them.  They'll
basically ignore it.  Including other GUI's.  

Other GUI's *could* take advantage of a Windows accelerator if they wrote
their graphics routines to use the same kind of low-level functionality 
that Windows does.  I even suggested this once to a GUI company.... it 
would give people instant access to a lot of existing hardware.  But it's
anathema from a marketing point of view because it concedes that most 
(hardware, in this case) vendors see Windows as the dominant GUI of the
future. 

Lea
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: How to prevent system Hangup After installing LOTS of fonts??
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:51:10 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

901106c@axe.acadiau.ca (TIM CHIPMAN) writes:

>I recently downloaded from wuarchive.wustl.edu all of the gwfont0##.ZIP 
>files full of fonts. I then UNZIPPED them into the appropriate directory 
>(/fonts or whatever)

>Anyway. After playing around with them for a while, the system hung. Dead as 
>a doornail. First time geos has done that sort of thing to me. 

I have had similar behaviour on my system.  Check your CONFIG.SYS file and
make sure you've got "FILES = 120" (or some number higher than 120).

Personally, I've found the best solution is to pick the fonts you find most
useful and get rid of the rest. :)  My font directory had 127 files in it,
after a cleanout, it had 50.  I don't use the "Inter" font, as it's a big
font (in terms of disk space and/or memory) and tends to crash things all
by itself.  I had similar problems with Kramer, recently, but got rid of it
since I didn't particularly like it.

I don't know if adjusting your Handles setting will help in this situation.
The main trick is the FILES setting, since each time you use a font, GEOS
opens that font, using up one "file" in DOS.

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: PC/GEOS X-windows feasibility
Keywords: PC/GEOS, X11
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:25:14 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi) writes:

> * Telnet and an Xterm clone is more important than X:
>    Having a Geos app that would create a different window for each
>    telnet session would be really useful.  Running Xterm off of
>    another machine would be a waste of bandwidth and cycles.

Unfortunately, if you develop an application that would do that, you'd have
to have two applications - one on the unix side to let Geos know what's going
on, and one on the Geos side to react.  The communication between those two
apps adds more overhead to the connection.  (See UWPC for DOS/Unix)  Of
course, you'd need different versions of the app for different versions of
Unix, if you wanted to distribute it in executable form... ;)

> * X11 is notoriously big, slow, and likes a lot of screen space:

GUIs of _any_ sort are notoriously big, slow, and like a lot of screen space.
Except GEOS, which is small, fast, and likes a lot of 

>    This subject has been pummeled to death.  

Let's pummel it some more.  *kicks it, drop the SDK docs on it.*

>    Nevertheless, support for X11 in Geos would probably require a 486 to 
>    make performance acceptable.

X involves four primary things that I know of.
Multitasking: GEOS does this quite well, on sub-386 machines.
Windowing: GEOS does this quite well, on sub-386 machines.
Vector graphics: GEOS does this at least tolerably, on sub-386 machines.
Communications: CPU speed doesn't have much to do with this. :)

>    To really make people who usually use X11 happy, a 1024x1028 driver 
>    will need to be in place, for those fortunate enough to afford the 
>    hardware to support it.  

Now _this_ I agree with.  I suspect strongly that v2.0 will have 1024x768
support, and maybe even 1280x1024 (is that what you meant? :) support.

>    Framemaker is a joy to use on a 20" monitor.  On a 14" 640x480 it'd 
>    be a living hell.  (added caveat: agreed, something is better than
>    nothing)  

True.  Of course, the latest Sun entry-level model comes with what, a 15
or 16" monitor?  That's not a whole lot of real estate there, either.

>    (another thought, X11 on an XT with CGA? :-))

The resolution would be a bit of a problem, but the color wouldn't be...
Speedwise, it would be like running on a Sun-2, probably. :)

>   "Wow!  GeoX11 for $100?  Sold!"

Hmmm, $100, that I could afford... I'd just have to sell myself into
sex-slavery for a week, or something.

-Shag


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: u34kcj@chulkn.chula.ac.th
Subject: Info about GEOS...
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:36:05 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


Hi.....
	I'm currently use the old version of PCGEOS.. it is just only
	1.0 (how old is that!) .. now I'm looking forward to find the
	new version.. so I do come here to ask you ... that

	What is the newest version of GEOS?
	yup...and then
	Can Quattro for GEOS work under PCGEOS old version 1.0?
	What version of GEOS that are able to run on
		CGA with XT 640K Mem. (no problem with Harddisk)
	What is the name of Quattro that run under PCGEOS... is it
		"Quattro Special Edition"?
	and again... can Quattro run under PCGEOS with CGA?
		(I hope it can!)

	Where can I found information about Obj-Asm...?
	and about SDK too! (ha ha..)

			Thank you in advance... Glup!
			Krisda Chongjitaporn
			u34kcj@chulkn.chula.ac.th
From: ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoWorks and LaserJet 4
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:50:56 GMT
Organization: Minor Deities for Elvis

<pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>The new HP LaserJet 4 is a honey with 600 dpi resolution.  It comes with
>PCL5, 35 Intellifont typefaces and 10 TrueType faces which match those in
>Windoze 3.1.  But does it require you to buy the optional ($420-$500)
>PostScript SIMM in order to work with GeoWorks 1.2/Pro?

I've used GW and the HP LJ4 together without the Postscript module just
fine with both HP III drivers and PCL drivers, and no discernable quality
difference between them.

   --the Dragon
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From: galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel A Galpin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Video boards for PC/Geos
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:00:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: as215-ws-14.ucsc.edu
Keywords: video geos

The accelerated video boards usually have an on board graphics processor that is used to execute graphics primitives. The primitives vary depending on the board. 

Some of these cards provide for a hardware cursor. (* note that some other,
so-called non-accelerated boards do this as well, such as the Video-7 1024i *) 

Bitblitting operations, pattern fills, line-drawing, screen clearing,
text-clipping and more are supported by many of these accelerator cards.

Since I know that GEOS at least uses a cursor, and it probably makes use of
functions such as line drawing and bit blitting, it should be possible to
develop a version of GEOS that could use hardware video features. I don't know
if hardware support could be incorporated with the current video driver support.

Many of these boards (the TMS boards, the 8514 clones) were designed for CAD and
only later used to accelerate windows.

Some of these boards have been criticized (the S3 based products in particular)
because they actually slow down performance in standard VGA modes. This could
actually translate to slower GEOS performance. S3 products are probably the most
widely supported accelerator products aside from, perhaps, the 8514. 

If you are looking for a card that provides decent VGA performance and gives some
windows acceleration, a cost-effective solution is to purchase an accelerator
board based on the Western Digital (Paradise) accelerated chipset. (Ex: Diamond
Speedstar 24x) This chipset can be found in boards costing considerably less
than $200, and accelerates a few of Windows most important functions. (no line
drawing though..) This chipset also remains partially compatible with the older
Paradise SVGA chipsets, and supports 640x480x16.8 Million colors and
800x600x65536 colors in addition to the (almost standard) 1024x768x256 and
1280x1024x16. Note: in 24 bit mode, these cards are only really useful as
framebuffers. 
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From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Moving from Notepad to GeoComm/UNIX
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:11:55 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paxsunb.eng.umd.edu

I use the block-definition and block-move features of GEOS to delineate
specific text to be moved from Notepad to a GeoComm screen, and then to
move it.  Here's how:

Bring up BOTH the GeoComm and NotePad windows on the screen, in such a
way that the notepad is on top but you can see SOME of the GeoComm screen
below.  That is, while still in GeoComm, bring up Notepad, which would
either have your text on it or on which you can enter text at this time.

Call up vi (or whatever you use) on the UNIX machine at the far end of
the GeoComm line.  Get into "insert" mode but don't type anything else.

Click on the NP window to bring it to the front again.

Mark out the block you want to transfer from NP to GC by using the
LH trackball key and the trackball.

Put the cursor in the middle of the block, which is now black. Press the
"alt" key on your keyboard and the righthand trackball key at the same time;
you should see the cursor replaced by a small arrow with a diamond at the
far end of the shaft.  With all these keys pressed, use the trackball to move
the new-style cursor into the GC window, which is underneath the NP window.

Release the keys; the text will be typed into the GC screen.

Click on the GC screen to bring it back to the front, and use standard
editor codes to close your file (or add to it).

Is this in the manual anywhere, by the way?

Jeff


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: noir@netcom.com (Noel Ang)
Subject: Re: How to prevent system Hangup After installing LOTS of fonts??
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:36:37 GMT

In article <901106c.390.728075982@axe.acadiau.ca> 9011
(TIM CHIPMAN) writes:

>I recently downloaded from wuarchive.wustl.edu all of the gwfont0##.ZIP 
>files full of fonts. I then UNZIPPED them into the appropriate directory 
>(/fonts or whatever)
>Anyway. After playing around with them for a while, the system hung. Dead as 
>a doornail. First time geos has done that sort of thing to me. 
>Can someone PLEASE tell me what I should do to make geos happy again???

Tim-

I don't know if handles would help, but try upping your FILES= setting in
your CONFIG.SYS file.  I believe that PC/Geos opens all font files it finds
during start up (for instance, try deleting any of the fonts inside
PC/Geos--you can't, because they're 'in use').


Noel Ang
noir@netcom.com
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Comic Relief (courtesy of Microsloth)
Summary: Follow the bouncing load average...
Keywords: Amazing Facts Windoze
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:12:39 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest



		  - Amazing Facts about Windoze -
	Things You Can Only Learn At MicroSloth Seminars
		  (with not-so-amazing comments)

*  Windoze for Workgroups runs on 286es... with at least 5 megs of RAM.

Dear Microsoft: I have a 286 with 4 SIMM slots.  Right now I have 4 1meg
SIMMs.  I have been trying to find 1.25meg SIMMs to upgrade to 5 megs, 
but I cannot find them.

*  Unfortunately, 286es can't share resources in standard mode.

Dear Microsoft: The other members of my workgroup are very angry with me,
because my computer refuses to tell them anything.  They are accusing me
of being antisocial, and calling me names that aren't at all nice.  I am
going to delete your software and use the disks for martial-arts throwing
weapons.

*  XT's can be Windoze for Workgroups workstations... but they can't run 
   Windoze or share resources.

Dear Microsoft: I have been pondering this for some time, and I find it
most interesting, the concept of a computer that can be used, except that
it can't be.  Perhaps I could interest you in a classic 1965 Mustang, which
runs just fine, except that it doesn't run.

-Shag (Gee I'm glad I run GEOS!)

PS: I didn't go to the seminar, I read an article about it on NewsBytes.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Dumb Questions
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:03:27 GMT

In article <Pine.3.05.9301212245.A4381-b100000@Ra.MsState.Edu>
<pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
[...]
>1. What are the possibilities of PCGeos (I'm a little fuzzy on the correct
>terminology) becoming a real operating system, like DOS, OS2, or the Mac
>geos?

GEOS *is* a real OS.  If you're definition of OS doesn't handle that then
please post your assumptions/view/whatever about what you believe
disqualifies it.

>  The reason I bring this up is that the articles I have read on
>Geoworks for the pentops don't say anything about it running on any other
>platform.  I assume that it is the only o.s. on the pentops.  If this is
>so, then could the same thing be done for pcs?  I would think not (or at
>least not easily), or else why would it not be done?  

The announcements made at CES in the last couple of weeks have made it
clear (I thought) that Pen/GEOS is the underlying system on the Zoomer
(Tandy/Casio/Palm/GeoWorks) palmtop.  And as I have stated previously,
Pen/GEOS *is* GEOS.  I guess I'm really asking for you to clarify you're
question. :-)

As far a palmtop OSs there are (in no particular order and since I'm doing
this off the top of my head don't take this as gospel :-): Pen/Windows,
PenPoint, whatever the hell Apple does for whatever the Newton turns out to
be, Pen/GEOS, Pen DOS, and at least one other that I can't recall.

[...]
>6. I asked earlier, but haven't seen a reply (maybe I sent the message to
>Timbuctu, altho' I thought I was replying to a message) to why I have been
>receiving replies to messages before I get the original message.  I know
>this list is for those who do not have access to the newsgroup.  Are the
>original messages being sent to that newsgroup before this list?  I have
>not been able to find the newsgroup here.

This can be caused by many things.  Often it's due to the relative
locations of the nodes involved and how/when/where different sites
propagate news.

Hope this helps,
		John
		johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Subject: Re: PC/GEOS X-windows feasibility
Organization: Pandora Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:51:48 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hey - its not me you have to persuade, its someone willing to make the
investment.

- Mitra