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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:20:53 GMT

noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>>Exterior filming on Jurassic park took place on the Hawaiian
>>island of Kauai. The cast and crew were staying on the Eastern edge of
>>the island....  Filming had ended just the day
>>before hurricane Iniki slashed across the landscape. As the eye of
>>the hurricane passed overhead, Spielburg and other brave souls stepped
>>outside to experience the strange calm and exotic clouds that inhabit the eye
>>of a hurricane.
>
>Either this story is apocryphal or Spielberg flew toward the west
>coast of Kauai as Iniki approached (yeah, right).  I've got satellite
>photos of Iniki that show the eye didn't come anywhere near Lihue or
>other parts of eastern Kauai.  The photos make it look like Iniki was
>almost tracking up Waimea Canyon.

Not apocrypal, just exaggerated.  Newspapers as well as CNN reported
shortly after the storm that Spielberg & Co. had taken advantage of the
storm's destruction to film "atmosphere" footage for the ending.
I don't think they did any scene reshoots from what I heard.


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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula - you're just jealous!
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:14:38 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
In article <1992Nov17.113302.14277@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (I'm not really a doctor...) writes:
|> 
|>  I think all of you ripping on Dracula are T2 fans and are just jealous Dracula
|> is going to make more moeny :)
|> 
|> Bart

I wish!

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From: aberman@cs.washington.edu (Andrew Berman)
Subject: Re: BSD (Dracula) - Who to root for? (SPOILERS)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:07:06 GMT

In article <Ef1nhiO00WBN46GYEY@andrew.cmu.edu> wp11+@andrew.cmu.edu (W
Darren Prouty) writes: >
> I managed to catch Coppola's film of Bram Stokers Dracula opening
>night with a packed house and must say that it had some of the best
>cinematography I've seen in years. However, the movie had one huge
>fault, there was no definite protagonist or antagonist.
  ...  
> Coppola, what gives? 


 Why should a movie have a definite protagonist or antagonist?  Or
rather, why should every writer pick two people, set one up as
protagonist, set the other up as antagonist, and then start writing?
I've read many reviews of Bram Stoker's Dracula, here on the net, and
in the papers.  All the negative reviews have one common fault-- they
refused to look at the movie on its own terms.  The movie is a
exploration on what is good and what is evil, desire versus godliness,
life versus death.  The negative reviewers all complain about Keanu Reeves'
stilted performance. But it's no accident that Keanu Reaves sleepwalks
through the film- he's is the typical proper Victorian.  Basically
DEAD.  All of Lucy's suitors are dead *except* Dracula. That's why she
becomes, as Van Helsing says, a "willing concubine."


 I'll give you a protagonist and antagonist. Christianity is a
protagonist. The basic desires which Rigid Christianity could not deal with
is an antagonist. Christianity wins but changes in the end through
Mina, who being of both worlds, the world of desire (as Elizabetha she
killed herself in despair, and later as Mina she falls passionately in
love with Dracula), and the world of Christianity (her upbringing),
can find the common ground to both, which is love.  This brings her to a
new religousness far more tolerant and understanding of Man's basic
nature than the religousness she was born with. Thus Christianity has
grown through its ordeal.

This is one of the best and most complex movies I've seen in years.
But you really have to forget everything you've been conditioned to "expect"
in a movie.

Andrew Berman
>
> W.D.Prouty    wp11@andrew.cmu.edu
>***********************************
>   "Stupidity is much the same
>       all the world over."
>
>                 -John Stuart Mill
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From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Romper Stomper
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:00:33 GMT

BRAY CHRISTOPHER writes:

>I know this film was released in Australia last week,
>can anyone give me (or this board) a thumbs up or down.

  I'd give it a thumbs up.  There has been a fair amount of disagreement
amongst the critics as to whether the films glorifies violence or speaks
against it, but the Australian public have endorsed it resoundingly with a
big opening week at the box office. 
  Short review?  Good performances from the leading actors and actresses,
great music, some very inovative camerawork, and it doesn't moralise about
anything (in other words, the critics have been placing their own opinions
on the interpretation).  A refreshingly different film in many respects.

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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN INSIGHT
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
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In article <1992Nov19.000718.741@sequent.com> courtney@sequent.com (Courtney Powell) writes:
>
>	You'll notice in your Aladdin offical movie soundtrack (you DO have
>one, don't you? Oddly enough, I bought mine about a month ago, used [!]. I 
>figure some DJ sold it to the USED shop.) that the voice of the peddler in the
> first two tracks is none other than "Bruce Adler". I, myself, am guilty of 
>thinking Adler was Williams.

	Perhaps I read it wrong, but I believe it says the
singing voice was Bruce Adler. It doesn't comment on the speaking
voice. The line that convinced me it was Robin Williams was when
he says "Come on down.", and then giggles. That has to be
Williams.
	-- Ethan


"I have never seen one of these in tact before... This is the
famous dead-sea tupperware"

	-- Robin Williams
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:28:05 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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If you love visually-intense experiences, this movie is definitely
worth seeing in the theaters.  Francis Ford Coppola, assisted by his
son Roman, created a collage of photography styles unmatched
by anything I've seen at the movies.  The movie is almost
anti-narrative, taking from Bram Stoker's Dracula the useful
device of telling the story from many perspectives.

However, as a movie...well, it doesn't completely work.  So if
you need a strong narration and a sensible script, don't go.

The performances are mixed.  Keanu Reeves has been
basted by many reviewers, a tad unfairly.  He's wonderfully dense
early in the movie, as Jonathan Harker should be.  Gary Oldham,
Winona Ryder and Sadie Frost give very strong performances
as Dracula, Mina and Lucy (respectively).  Anthony Hopkins is
just plain frustrating as Van Helsing, and both Cary Elwes and
Bill Campbell are nice window-dressing.

If you like movies that are near triumphs of form over substance, 
this is the movie for you.  It really isn't quite as gory as the early
previews (especially the one shown at MagiCon) might lead you to believe.
But it is unintentionally funny in places, always a sign that something
has gone amiss in the script.

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From: jenn@objy.com (Jennifer Hom)
Subject: Re: Dracula sucked
Reply-To: jenn@objy.com
Organization: Objectivity, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:46:03 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.012210.13679@u.washington.edu>, redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
|> 
|> 	What did he say in his interesting speech?  Jim Hart is
|> a strange bird; I'd like to hear his thoughts.
|> 

It's been almost a week, and my memory is awful, so I'll give a synopsis of the comments
that I can remember ... (I was more or less incredibly impatient for the film to start)

 1.  It would be a 90's-30's mixture of a movie ... (in terms of special effects, etc.)
 2.  Both Stoker and Coppola (in his opinion) have a macabre sense of humor 
 3.  Some other things that I can't remember at the moment about "Hollywood people"
 4.  He thought that the actors had stayed true to their characters ... and that they
     had done a good job (But then don't they _always_ say that?)

He'd been working on this project for ~15 years?  And his next project will (hopefully)
be Frankenstein ...

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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.054232.25269@cs.sfu.ca> fass@cs.sfu.ca (Dan Fass) writes:
>Greenaway's short films show many of the themes and characters that appear in 
>his longer films.  
>Cissie Colpitts, the name of three 
>different characters in "Drowning by Numbers" (1988), also appears in 
>"Vertical Features Remake," 

Cissie Colpitts is also mentioned in "The Falls", but does not appear.

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From: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Can anyone settle a heated argument about Donald Sutherland?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:15:33 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)


   A recent argument about Donald Sutherland's acting abilities in war
films has led to a heated argument amongst friends about the films
"Kelly's Heros" and "M.A.S.H.". Can anyone say with reasonable authority
which of these were made first? Film guides I have seen list both as
simply "1970". I need a month! Thanks in advance! (there is a 20 pound
bet to be decided!).

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From: kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Ages and Dracula
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:51:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Nov16.185113.19252
Organization: AT&T

I saw Dracula Saturday night at a 7:30 showing. Before the movie started,
I felt like I was in the showing of Aladin ( which was sold out). There were
children running about the theater! These kids seemed unchaperoned. I made
a comment to my friend about kids in R rated movies with out adults. The people
around me started a discussion on how it was crazy to allow them in the theater.

After seeing the movie I was shocked that kids were there. Yes it was Dracula
and there have been many adaptations that they probibly have seen; and they
probibly have seen the gore before; but come on what are theaters doing
except just taking their money. 

I personally feel that this was one movie that children shouldn't see without
their parents. It was extremely distracting when they started to run around
the aisles. It took a while for the Cinema security to stop it, but by then
my following of the movie was smashed and I had to pick up the action again.

Has this happened to others, especially with an R-rated movie. I like the movie
but was disappointed with the viewing of it. I went to a theater that I usually
do not frequent. I'm going to go to the one that I usually see movies in to 
watch Dracula again. I will also see it again at full price. Yes, I liked it 
that much. I think Copola was incredible in putting the story to film.

John Kettyle, Jr.
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (The Mantle Clinic)
Subject: Re: Favorite Vampire one-liners
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:51:57 GMT

u0d05@keele.ac.uk  writes:
> What about:
> 
> Hey who ordered pizza? Bill Paxton, Near Dark when someone brings the
> little girl in.

Practically anything in Near Dark would fall under this for me,
especially Paxton's "I hate 'em when they ain't been shaved"
and "Finger lickin' good" exclamations.
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:18:22 GMT


>
>Lady Johanna Constantine mentioned about the Huntress from Earth 2
>from Pre-Crisis days.  I remember reading a villianess named the Huntress
>that wore a yellowish tiger-like outfit.  Is that the same character?
>I believe that she was married to the villian Sportsmaster and later
>became a herione.  Can someone fill me in on this?
>


No, it's not the same one -- I don't know who the Huntress you're describing
is, but this Huntress's story goes like this:

On Earth 2, Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne have a child, Helena Wayne, who
becomes a very Batman-like superhero wearing purple.  "Batman-like" means she
had no powers, lots of gadgets, and did all sorts of acrobatic fighting.
Anyway, she lived mostly is little extras in the back of Wonder Woman comics
until she died in the Crisis on Infinite Earths.  Then she was reincarnated
with her own comic book, only now her hair was different, she no longer wore
high heels, and most importantly, she was no longer Bruce Wayne's daughter.
Now she was the child of some mafia boss, and began her crusade against
crime when her family was slaughtered by a rival organization.  Her first name
remained Helena, I don't remember her last name.
Now she was even more like a female Batman -- suffering from the same 
dark side vs. light side conflict that Batman suffered from.  But they had 
some differences -- she was very poor, and she had a more pragmatic and less
moral view of justice.

Well, apparently fans wanted to see Huntree/Batman crossovers, so Batman
guest starred in a three part Huntress story, and then the Huntress guest
starred in a couple of DC comics stories, and now the Huntress is 
guest-starring in the new six-parter Robin III.

Hope that clears things up (yes, I know we've moved way off movie subjects,
sorry!)


Firestar
  

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From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: Robert Redford
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:15:18 GMT

In article <00963B47.0919C900@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>I agree completely.  Watching "Out of Africa" was pure torture.  Robert 

Hey but that was also due to Meryl (I've got a funny accent)
Streep who is at least as bad.

Alan


PS Well at leaset she disn't do a funny accent in Death
Becomes Her -- but did she act or was it a computer....
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Malcolm X controversies
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:59:05 GMT
	<1992Nov19.141640.17399@cs.wayne.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:16:40 GMT


jmauric@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>yeah. malcolm x was a drug dealer in his younger days and spike lee
>has seens of this in his movie. i guess some blacks think malcolm x
>was god and never did anything bad.

I suspect that the number of Blacks who "think Malcolm X was a god and
never did anything bad" is smaller than the number of Whites who don't
know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

Again, the movie is excellent.  Dickerson gets much dap.


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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:12:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.183621.8962@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Peter Reiher) wrote:

> than Cameron's movie was.  Hits like "Terminator 2", "Batman", and
> "Home Alone" are made off repeat business, and, in the past, young men
> and children have proven to be those most likely to see a film several
> times.  Those aren't the groups expressing the most support for "Bram
> Stoker's Dracula".

I doubt that support for Home Alone was derived from the same market
segment as Batman and T2.  We shall, however, simply have to wait
and see how well Dracula does.

I suppose the bulk of my annoyance with the movie's treatment here is
the sniping by armchair directors, and this has spilled into scoffing
at predictions of the movie's doom.  It's a pretty thick limb to
walk out onto saying that the film will make gobs of money.
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Subject: test
From: petra@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:56:49 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

This is only a test, pay it no mind.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
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Subject: Re: Spike and 'ART'
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:26:10 GMT
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In-reply-to: mattm@apple.com's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:15:45 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
[...]
|Brazil had unusual camera angles.  There, however, the camera angles
|provided additional information.  In Do Whatever You Want, we've
|got some actors staring down into the camera, and the camera's 
|bouncing back and forth.  No additional information.

|Camera angles for the sake of camera angles.

|Artistic caca.

Actually, in _Do The Right Thing_, the camera angles tell us something
about Radio Raheem.  The angle is skewed and distorted whenever he is
seen by people who do not know him--who only see a big scary man--and
is balanced whenever he is seen by friends who know him for who he is.
I think this speaks volumes.

In the "radio battle" scene, the camera angle starts off skewed and
weird until he wins the battle--and his opponents' respect--whereupon
the camera reverts to a normal view.

What additional information did we get in _Brazil_?  It's one of my
favorite movies, but I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

One interesting thing about Spike Lee:  he tends to engender emotional
and passionate (and caustic and personal) opinions about himself and
his movies.
--
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       diner.  Being here in America doesn't make you an American."  
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (The Mantle Clinic)
Subject: Re: >>>RISING SUN (Was RE. Jurassic Park Spoiler)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:14:20 GMT

hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca  writes:
> 
> You guys are going to hate this but...
> 
> ThompsonMR@uk.ac.aston.spock (Mark Thompson) writes:
> 
> :       This is from Empire magazine :
> :
> :       Currently shooting Philip Kaufman's thriller The Rising Sun, Opposite
> :Sean Connery, Harvey Keitel, and Wayne's World babe Tia Carrere... 
> 
> It seems someone didn't notice that there was more than one book called
> Rising Sun (or The Rising Sun).  This is obviously not the same book, so all
> debate is moot.  However, it does raise an interesting possiblity.  If 
> Crichton's Rising Sun is ever made into a movie, and the same actors are
> hired to play in it, it would be the first time, to my knowledge, that a 
> group of actors appeared in TWO movies with the same title, that had absolutely
> nothing to do with each other.  

I think that the post Mark made was, in fact, for Crichton's
Rising Sun as he stated.  I didn't know about these two
different books, but I read a small piece like his that was in
reference to the Crichton thriller.
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