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From: cga66@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.v.kauffold)
Subject: Downsizing/Rightsizing Talk
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:04:46 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: dpma downsizing rightsizing network meeting


             Wayne Krakau Will Speak To DPMA Chapter
            on Trends and Opportunities In Networking

            Where:  Tollgate Inn, Aurora, Illinois
            When:   Thursday, December 10, 1992
                    7:45 PM

     There's a revolution under way in computer  organizations
across the country.  In increasing numbers, data processing
departments are "downsizing" or "rightsizing," moving from
mainframe computers to networks of workstations, PCs, and mid-
range systems.  Is this a fad or the irresistible wave of the
future?

     Wayne Krakau, a partner in Krakau Business Computer Systems,
Des Plaines, Illinois, will talk on Trends and Opportunities in
Networking to the Northern Illinois Chapter of the Data
Processing Management Association (DPMA), at their monthly
meeting on Thursday, December 10, 1992, at the Tollgate Inn, at
I-88 and Route 31 North, Aurora, Illinois, at 7:45 PM.

     Downsizing (or rightsizing) has become the DP buzzword for
the 90's; meaning LANs, WANs, workstations, servers, bridges,
routers, distributed processing, and client-server networks.
Some computer pros see opportunity, while others see danger; is
this a field of dreams or a minefield of nightmares?  Krakau will
focus on what it takes, and what you need to know,  to make this
compelling technology work and deliver the promised cost savings
and productivity improvements, and at the same time avoid the
pitfalls and potholes.  Krakau has been guiding companies through
this transition -- or new installation -- process since this new
wave started eight years ago.

     Krakau Business Computer Systems is a systems integration
firm and Novell Gold Authorized and Lantastic Authorized Dealer,
located at 9670 Dee Road, Des Plaines, Illinois, and may be
reached at (708) 298-7695.

     Non-members are welcome to attend the presentation at 7:45
PM at no charge.  Non-members are also welcome at an informal
cocktail hour at 6:00 PM, and the dinner at 6:45 PM at a cost of
$20.00.    To make a reservation for dinner, please call Bill
Baker at (708) 979-3938.


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONTACT:    Mary Smith
                                   1131 S. Batavia Avenue
                                   Batavia, IL 60510
                                   (708) 879-0482
From: Martin.Brooks@gtri.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:18:51 GMT
Distribution: ga

In article <75664@hydra.gatech.EDU>,
   gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Herrin) writes:
> 
>    Through our governmental instututions, we as Americans have taken the 
> attitude that we all start on equal footing and then choose our own
> paths. Are you saying this is not true?

We *are* talking about sexual orientation aren't we?  According to the
sciences of psychology and medical research, people can't choose their
sexual orientation any more than they can choose to be left-handed or
right-handed.  Of course, I always thought this was obvious anyway.  I
mean, I've never met anyone who claims to have chosen their own sexual
orientation.  Of course, some things that people can and do choose are
the levels of tolerance, understanding, and respect they will extend
to others...

--
Martin H. Brooks
Atlanta, Georgia
From: dmeyers@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:00:28 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst./Modeling & Analysis Lab

In <74792@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Dennis Herrin) writes:

>  The question then comes to 'why?" and the answer is: history. We discovered
>that you could garuntee blacks equal rights under the law, but if a large
>percentage of businesses subsequently refused to do business with them, then
>they did not, in reality, have equal rights. And if you can't see how
>large percentages of businesses refusing to do business with blacks is
>relevant to whether or not a business owner should have the right to do
>business with gays, well, oh well.


I'm not convinced that using the government as a great blunt
instrument to beat the heads of the people who don't behave
in the ways YOU think are proper is any better.

If you don't like a business's practice of discrimination,
cease to supply that business with your money.  Tell them
why you stopped giving them your money.  Tell everyone you
`know that you stopped patronizing their establishment, and
why.  If the people (public) agrees, then the business
feels plenty of pressure, without the use of force.  If the
public doesn't agree, and continues to patronize that business,
then you have lost in a most democratic battle, in which case,
the public wouldn't have agreed with your law anyway.  But
for a powerful government elite to pass laws which tell you
what you can do with your private property, and this includes
your business (who you transact with and whom you employ),
this looks awful oppressive to me.  Worse than some small
businesses discriminating agains some somewhat ill-defined
segments of society.

--D
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Newsgroups: ga.general
From: brady@castor (--Thomas-Jefferson--)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: ga
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:27:13 GMT

oaa@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (owen.a.alexander) writes:
: 
: I haven't looked at the recent "evidence", but last year I researched
: this subject and found that there were no concrete evidence concerning
: being born as a homosexual. 

[stuff deleted]
: As to why someone would choose to be homosexual?  The reasons could run
: the spectrum for males and females, and I won't speculate.  However you
: should ask the same questions to child molestors, rapists, promiscous
: (?) people, bi-sexuals, those into S & M, those into beastiality, etc.
: Just because someone enjoys expressing their sexuality a particular way,
: doesn't mean that it is valid or not without choice.  At some point it
: may be an craving or obsession, but the ending state does not validify
: itself.

First of all, I don't see why it would matter whether homosexuality is
biological or not.  An individual owns his body. What he chooses to do
with another consenting adult is his business.  Which leads me to ask
how in the heck can homosexuals be spoken of in the same breath as
child molestors and rapists?  In the case of child molestation and rape, there
is a non-consenting party involved.  

I'm not a doctor. (But I play one with my girlfriend.) But I do know that
I did not choose to be a heterosexual.  I suspect homosexuality is the same.


: 
: Owen Alexander
: 

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From: gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Dennis Herrin)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 14 Nov 92 09:00:47 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <74763@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4000a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Cross, aka AsthranJas) writes:
>	Well, there has been significant work in this area, and if you 
>check the medical journals from about 3 months (rough guess) back there
>was a discovery that male homosexual brains had a significantly larger
>concentration of some brain chemical and a larger "hollow" portion within
>the cerebral cortex, suggesting definite **Biological** differences.
>If anyone has more concrete info than my memory, please feel free to 
>report the details.
   As I recall, the research found that the vast majority of lesbians had
abnormally high testasterone levels for women, and the vast majority of gays
had abnormally low levels for men.

  However, saying that they therefore become gay is like saying that "Oh,
well that guy just killed 20 people because his dad molested him when he was
nine, so its really not his fault." Yes, to a certain extent its true, but
in a free society, someone, or some entity (such as a business or a
government) must be responsible for every action and condition that occurs.
In effect, what I'm saying is that because as a society we do not believe
in destiny, homosexuals have a choice whether or not they are homosexual, by 
definition.


-- 
William Herrin                         Internet: gt5254a@prism.gatech.edu
      Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Disclaimer: I speak only for me. (Occasionally only to hear myself talk.)
From: brown@pollux (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: University of Georgia
Distribution: ga
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:47:41 GMT

In article <74792@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Dennis Herrin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.173552.5238@athena.cs.uga.edu> brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>Amen.  The gov't has no right to tell you how to spend your money, and that
>>includes when you are hiring an employee.
>
>  Actually, it turns out they do in a certain case which is this:
>If your 'business' serves only yourself and a few close friends, then you
>have the right to exclude anybody you please. If your business serves the
>general public, however, (and as a technicality, does some aspect of its
>business over state lines) then you do not have a right to choose which of the
>general public you do business with. (To a degree -- You can refuse to do
>business with an individual whose conduct is inappropriate (such as shirts &
>shoes rules, and the ability to eject someone who's being loud and
>obnoxious))

Trade must be by mutual agreement only.  No one has the right to force another
person to engage in trade of any kind with him.  The number of people served
by the business is completely irrelevant.

-- 
Daniel W. Brown (brown@pollux.cs.uga.edu)

"If you weren't 50 feet tall, I'd punch you in the bosom!"
	--Larry Potter on _Get a Life!_
From: gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Dennis Herrin)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 14 Nov 92 08:52:51 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov13.173552.5238@athena.cs.uga.edu> brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:
>In article <k_fqwt#@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>>Where DO you kids come up with that crap?  You (nor your agent of force,
>>the government) do NOT have the right to tell me what I do with my 
>>property and that includes my business.  That it has been done in
>>the past under the guise of "civil rights" makes it no less wrong.
>>This is all a manifestation of the leftist concept that individual
>>rights and personal property are inherently wrong and therefore must
>>be taxed and controlled by the government.  Perhaps when you enter the
>>real world and attempt to run a business, you will have a slightly
>>different view on the government forcing one set of citizen's beliefs
>>on another.  
>Amen.  The gov't has no right to tell you how to spend your money, and that
>includes when you are hiring an employee.

  Actually, it turns out they do in a certain case which is this:
If your 'business' serves only yourself and a few close friends, then you
have the right to exclude anybody you please. If your business serves the
general public, however, (and as a technicality, does some aspect of its
business over state lines) then you do not have a right to choose which of the
general public you do business with. (To a degree -- You can refuse to do
business with an individual whose conduct is inappropriate (such as shirts &
shoes rules, and the ability to eject someone who's being loud and
obnoxious))

  The question then comes to 'why?" and the answer is: history. We discovered
that you could garuntee blacks equal rights under the law, but if a large
percentage of businesses subsequently refused to do business with them, then
they did not, in reality, have equal rights. And if you can't see how
large percentages of businesses refusing to do business with blacks is
relevant to whether or not a business owner should have the right to do
business with gays, well, oh well.

-- 
William Herrin                         Internet: gt5254a@prism.gatech.edu
      Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: dmeyers@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:49:37 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst./Modeling & Analysis Lab

In <74791@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspuq@prism.gatech.EDU (ROBERT WILLIAM DODGE) writes:

>At this stage, I want to remind you:  it has been known for quite a
>while that humans are by *no means* the only species to exhibit
>both hetero- and homosexual behavior.  Question for the Peanut Gallery:
>Do gay *animals* have "psychological problems", and should they be lumped
>in with other animals who abuse their children, murder, steal, cheat
>on their mates, gamble and drink to excess?  :-) JUST KIDDING!!!

Animals exhibit reprehensible behaviour.  There is no reason to
justify human actions based on evidence that other animals exhibit
the same behaviour.  Ought we eat our children and leave the sick
to die?

>(And don't use the "Homosexuality isn't natural" argument, find 
>another one.  It happens to be perfectly "natural", as such, for all one
>has to do is turn to nature, where it is manifested in animal behavior
>...I'm *serious*)

Actually, as far as I know, homosexuality tends to show up in
overpopulated mammalian communities.  Ie. too many rats in a closed
cage will start to exhibit such behaviour.  Clearly it is quite
natural for animals to perform homosexual acts, as well as auto-
erotic acts. 

>Anyway, I'm holding my breath, waiting for the "empirical proof" that
>homosexuality is biological...but somehow, I don't think that should be
>necessary... (gasp)

To be quite honest, such proof is irrelevant.  This thread
started with a discussion of certain laws which were to be
used discriminately in cases where homosexuality is involved.
In a truly color/sex/sexuality-blind law environment, such
discriminatory laws are self-fulfilling, and self-contradictory,
as not only to they further discriminate, as well as giving
names to the groups that they discriminate both for and against,
but in doing so perpetuate an atmosphere of tolerance for
discrimination.

Laws which help those who have been discriminated against
themselves discriminate against those who supposedly haven't
been discriminated against, thus once these laws are in effect,
everybody is discriminated against, and perhaps new laws to
help those who are being discriminated against because they
weren't discriminated against before will have to be made.
The logic goes in circles and the laws weave a chaotic
mess for us to have to trudge through.  Ultimately, it looks
like anti-discrimination laws help no one but the lawyers.

--David
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Newsgroups: ga.general
From: brady@castor (--Thomas-Jefferson--)
Subject: Re: Sad Day for Liberty
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: ga
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:32:53 GMT

gt5254a@prism.gatech.EDU (William Dennis Herrin) writes:
: In effect, what I'm saying is that because as a society we do not believe
: in destiny, homosexuals have a choice whether or not they are homosexual, by 
: definition.

First of all, I do not believe as a society.  *I* believe what *I* believe.
Second, using your logic, I think that I will now choose to become a 
woman and give birth to elephants....

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Newsgroups: ga.forsale,misc.forsale,rec.music.marketplace
From: sj@stiatl.salestech.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: 2 Morrissey Tickets For Sale
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: ga
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:01:56 GMT

I am posting this for a friend, so please reply to him.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
For sale:      2 Morrissey Tickets for Wednesday's show
		 in the Atlanta Civic Center
		 Rear Orchestra seats
		 at cost $24 each

Please respond via email:

       tony@archsun.arch.gatech.edu

or via phone:

       321-8036 (W)
       351-3681 (H)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The show is tomorrow night (Wednesday the 18th) so please respond now.
Thank you.
-- 
Steve Jackson             | "Oh to Be near you in the first morning Light"
aka sj@SalesTech.Com      | I'd Be with you, I dream about you
Quote from Simple Minds'  | "If I could Leave here, I would Leave here tonight"
"All the Things She Said" | I'd Be with you, I'd stay with you--tonight
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From: gt2372b@prism.gatech.EDU (Olympio Achilles De Faria Mello)
Newsgroups: git.ads,ga.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.mac
Subject: For sale: Ehman (Quantum) external 105 MB hard drive
Summary: Ehman 105 MB external HD $295
Keywords: Macintosh,Ehman,Hard Drive
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:16:05 GMT
Followup-To: git.ads
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


As the subject says, it's a 105 MB external HD. The drive itself
is Quantum mechanism. The metal enclosure is well built, "zero
footprint", has push-button SCSI ID selection and a hard plastic-
covered "window" on bottom for access to the SCSI terminators.

Bought in May 1991, so the mechanism is still under Quantum's 2-year
warranty.

I will include the short SCSI system cable that came with the drive
so it fits nicely under a compact Mac without lots of cabling hanging
around. Will ship in original box and (if so desired) format with
your choice of System 7.0/Tuneup 1.1.1 or System 6.0.7.

I'd like to get $295 (+shipping) for it, but offers will be considered.

Please e-mail gt2372b@prism.gatech.edu
or call (404) 391-0282

                       Olympio

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Olympio Achilles De Faria Mello
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Newsgroups: ga.forsale,hsv.forsale,ingr.forsale,kw.forsale,mentor.forsale
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: 30-pin four meg simms
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:32:44 GMT



Four meg SIMMs for sale:



100ns (parity) $115 each

 80ns (no par) $130 each



 I have quite a few sets left over.  Please respond via email

 dleon@seas.smu.edu

Newsgroups: ga.forsale
From: kamal@cc.gatech.edu (Kamal Karlapalem)
Subject: Graduating Sale (VCR and Bed).
Reply-To: kamal@cc.gatech.edu (Kamal Karlapalem)
Organization: College of Computing / Georgia Tech
Distribution: ga
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:02:28 GMT

MITSUBISHI HS-U50 VHS VCR    ($350.00 bought it for $525.00) 

4 head, SAP/HI-FI stereo, Auto Tracking, 181 channel tuner,
Index Search, Speed and High Speed Search, Audio and Video input/output, 
Program Recording for 4 weeks like same programs every week or day, 
cable compatible, on-screen programming with/without remote. 
With original box and operational manual. Sparingly used. Mostly
as a tuner for the TV for stereo sound effect.
Equivalent to UX-56 that retails for $450.00.

Mitsubishi makes one of the finest VCRs, a real quality product.
An ideal second VCR for the house, or if you want to 
upgrade your old VCR. 
I would have not sold this VCR, but I will be leaving country
to a place with incompatible broadcast medium.


QUEENSIZED 3-PIECE BED and MATTRESS.
Queen size BED, Three piece, less than two years old, very good condition.
Original plastic wrapper still there.  satin covered. $200.00


Call 875-2913.

Kamal.

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kamal@cc.gatech.edu                     Kamalakar Karlapalem

Database Research Laboratory,           College Of Computing, 
Georgia Institute Of Technology,        Atlanta, GA 30332-0280.                  
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From: Kelvin_Johnson@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us (Kelvin Johnson)
Newsgroups: ga.forsale
Subject: Sale ODD & ENDs
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:15:30 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Village BBS


I am selling the following Item at a Reduce rate. I will also consider a
trade plus cash (All offer considered). If you are interested in any of the
items, please contact Kelvin at 292-7553 or 260-0933 Dig-Pager after 4pm
est.

1. DataFlyer  Amiga 500 Hard Drive System with 40meg Quatuam HD, Dual HD
Controller (Scis or IDE),Complete with 8-Meg of memory (1x8 simms, 80ns). A
Steal at $499.00

2. Like New Pansonic AG450 Professional  S-VHS Video Camera, 10X Power Zoom
Len, Insert Editing, Flying Erase Head, This Camera retails for $1950.00,
will sale for $899.00                  

3.Elenco Precision 20Mhz dual Trace Oscilloscope Model MO-1251 retails for
$950.00 will sell for $450.00 or trade for A500.00 system or other items of
value.

4.Sound Effects Albums Make Offer( Qty 3 )
 
5. Amiga 1084 Monitor, only $150.00

************ ALL ITEMS ARE NEGOTIABLE FOR SELL OR TRADE ********           
                         MAKE AN OFFER
  CALL (404) 292-7553 or 260-0933pager after 4pm EST ask for Kelvin        


-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: ga.forsale,git.ads,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: computer stuff forsale update
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:09:43 GMT
Followup-To: ga.forsale
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This is an update to the list of stuff I had for sale. 

The IBM PS/2 SCSI controller with cache is still available. Best offer
takes it (within reason, of course). It is new in that it has not ever
been installed; all literature and reference discs necessary are present.

I also have a Hercules mode monochrome monitor I will sell for cheap,
like $35 o.b.o. It is in perfect working condition but is a little old 
and needs a little cosmetic cleanup (case is a little dirty; nothing broken
or damaged )

I also have an old Seagate double-height MFM 42.5 meg drive; it benches
out at 33ms average and works perfectly. I will sell this for $90 including
a double-MFM controller card. This thing must be indestructible :-).

I also have a few car stereo items I would trade for computer equipment; I
especially need a monitor (SVGA, anything will do except Goldstar), and
I could use a good sound blaster card. 
 
example: 65x2w HiComp amp, Blaupunkt 4x30 amp, old Fosgate PR2100 3-band
preamp equalizer (works only with old FOsgate or any Orion or PPI amp with
phantom power). I can also get other car stereo items for cheap, so make
any such trade offers.

Regards,
Gordon.
 
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