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From: daves@BRSPYR1.BRS.COM (Dave Schubmehl)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Finding Peter Schubmehl in St. Wendel's Prussia
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: Dave Schubmehl <daves@BRSPYR1.BRS.COM>
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       I have been researching my ancestors in upstate New York and have
       traced them back to what I believe is the family that emigrated
       from "Prussia" between the years of 1837 and 1860.  The family
       was headed by Peter Schubmehl, who according to the 1860 census
       was 69 years old at the time, and had emigrated from "Pruysia".

       All of his children are listed as having been born in "Pruysia",
       and the youngest was born in 1837, thereby giving me the date
       ranges for emigration.  Since I could not find Peter Schubmehl in
       the 1850 census, I think that he and his family probably
       emigrated between 1850 and 1860, but I can't be sure.

       Another scrap of information that I have indicates that he came
       from "St.  Wendel's, Prussia".  Since the Schubmehl family has
       always been Roman Catholic, this might be either the name of the
       parish, or it could possibly be the name of a town in Prussia
       which is now modern-day Germany.

       I have researched most of the books that list passengers
       emigrating to the U.S.  such as "Germans to America", etc.  with
       no luck.  Since I am travelling to Europe on business in
       mid-October, I was thinking of making a side trip, if I can find
       out where and what "St. Wendel's, Prussia" is.  Therefore, I am
       hoping someone might be able to answer the following questions:

	1. Where can I find detailed maps of Prussia during the 1840s
	   and 1850s?  Is someone aware of how I can find out where
	   Roman Catholic parishes are located in Prussia/Germany?

        2. Can someone tell me where St. Wendel's Prussia might be?

	3. A family legend states that one of Peter Schubmehl's sons,
	   Nicholas, fought for Napoleon.  Is there any way I can
	   research this to find out whether it is true or not?  Why
	   would a Prussian fight WITH Napoleon?

	4. My hometown, Wayland, Steuben County, New York has many
	   German families that appear to have emigrated from Prussia
	   during the 1840-1860 time period.  Are there any books that
	   attempt to explain this migration?  Most of the families
	   appeared to be middle class farm families with assets of
	   $1000-$3000 dollars according to the 1860 census.  Am I
	   correct in assuming that they were middle class?  Are these
	   assets significant given the economies of rural America
	   between 1840 and 1860?


       Thank you in advance for any answers or guidance....

       Researching:

	   Schubmehl, Hargrave, Dildine, Cole, Starr, Green, Schmidt,
	   Lathrop, Slayton, Mayer, Toolan


    Dave Schubmehl
    BRS Software Products                    daves@brs.com
    1200 Rt. 7, Latham, NY 12110             uunet!crdgw1!brspyr1!daves
    Phone: (518) 783-1161                    Fax : (518) 783-1160
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:50:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Trish <ESS@SNYGENVA.BITNET>
From:         Trish <ESS@SNYGENVA.BITNET>
Subject:      1790 New York State Census info

Hi Fellow Rooters,

In our weekly pennysaver publication there was an advertisement that I
though might be of interest to some of you.  It reads as follows:

FAMILY HISTORY BUFFS:
Call for report of your family, as recorded in the 1790 US Census for
New York State.  716-367-3221.

I have contacted him and am impressed with his service.  He can tell you
on the phone if he has any census information on your surnames and also
discuss the modest fee for sending you such information.  My husband knows
him personally and says he can be trusted.  I asked him if he minded my
posting his info on the roots-l and he agreed.  He said the only thing better
would be if he could correspond on roots-l with his home computer and modem
from home.

His name and address are:

Harry Rapelje
P.O. Box 27
Hemlock, New York  14466

He is very easy to talk to and has other books dealing with early New York
State as his ancestors were in the original settlers of New York from
Holland.

Hope some of you find this of interest.

Pat Ess Harter

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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:33:10 PDT
Reply-To:     Karen Isaacson <karen@MONTY.RAND.ORG>
From:         Karen Isaacson <karen@MONTY.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Minor Correction to Roots Surname List announcement.
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi all,

If you want to reach me via GEnie, I have a new address there.
Here is the list of my addresses, including the update:

	Internet:       karen@rand.org
	UUCP:       ...!uunet!rand.org!karen    (maybe!)
	Bitnet:         karen%rand.org@cunyvm
	GEnie:          KAREN.I
	Prodigy:        XRBV26B
	Postal:         Karen Isaacson
			27991 Caraway Lane
			Saugus, CA  91350

I hope no one has been inconvenienced!

Karen
karen@rand.org
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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Looking for book on Fitler families
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:26:59 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I am a total ignoramus when it comes to genealogy, but for many years
I have tried to find the following book, which might contain
information on my family:

	W. W. Fitler, _Genealogy of the Fitler and Allied Families_
	(1922)

I picked this up in somebody's special collection years ago, jotted it
down, and have not found it since, in Lib of Congress, NYPL, or
university libraries.  I'm becoming uncertain now about the exact title...

If anyone has a suggestion where to look, I'll be very grateful.-- 
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*There is no privileged position.* :are my own and are not to be :
*	-God, Derrida, others    * : attributed to my employer   :
********************************** +.............................+

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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:27:06 EDT
Reply-To:     Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      New England Onomastics

There was some discussion a while ago about the names "John" and
"Jonathon." My question is: Is it likely that both names would
appear amongst one group of syblings?

I've traced my paternal line to a John Gardner (1753-1838) of
Bozrah, CT, but am having trouble getting past him. There's circum-
stanial evidence that he was the son of a Jonathon Gardner (d.1793).
But this Jonathon is known to have had a son, Jonathon Jr. Would
Jonathon Sr. have been likely to have named one son Jonathon &
another one John?

Thanks for the help.
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From: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: paf text editing
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:46:12 EST
Reply-To: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
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Organization: Canada Remote Systems


DW>Does anyone know of a way to export PAF notes to a file, edit them on
DW>something that's a little more friendly than the PAF editor, and then read
DW>them back into the record?

Yes, export to GEDCOM, and use BK5b!

 * DeLuxe2 1.25 #4926 + "Ok, now for a quick backu&#^1s"
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:04:27 CDT
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      Re: Brother's Keeper Problem (fwd)
Comments: To: "Genealogy Information" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Someone had this problem with Brother's Keeper and here is
an answer (maybe).

Reference part of this message:
> From compuserve.com!75745.1371 Thu Aug 27 20:39:45 1992
> From: John Steed <75745.1371@CompuServe.COM>
> To: <cmanis@csoftec.csf.com>
>
> Regarding the "path/file access error" when doing a custom report.
> Are you printing the report or sending it to a disk file?  Have you
> tried displaying the report to screen?  Press F9 at the main menu.
> Also try picking "3" from the main menu for another ahnentafel report.
> Normally the "path/file access error" means a problem writing to a
> disk file, so I am not sure why you get that message.  The shareware
> copy of BK does not have any features turned off.
>


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From: Robert.Haack@p242.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Haack)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      Family Puzzlers
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 08:30:02

TO: green@plains.NoDak.Edu
  Family Puzzlers is legit, I subscribed several years ago,and if your interests
  are in that area it will be worth your while...
  robert
  rdh@p242.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org



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From: dko@cs.wisc.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Ancestral File to PAF Download?
Keywords: PAF, Ancestral File, GEDCOM
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: dko@cs.wisc.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sciences, University of Wisconsin

In article <1992Aug31.160445.752@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
|> I'm told it's possible to download data from the Ancestral File at LDS Family
|> History Centers to a disk, take it home and load it into PAF.

Take a blank diskette with you to the Family History Center.  (Make sure it is
the right size.  Not all FHCs have a computer with both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4"
drives.)  Bring up the information you want to transfer within Ancestral File
(such as a pedigree chart).  Select "Create a GEDCOM File" from the "Print/Copy"
menu and follow the directions.  This will create a GEDCOM file on your diskette.
Take the diskette home and run the GIE (Genealogical Information Exchange)
program in PAF and follow the directions for importing a GEDCOM file.  (These
are the instructions if you are running PAF on an MS-DOS machine.  If you are
running it on a Macintosh, you will have to do things a little differently.)

I suggest that you do not add the new information directly into your master
database.  Ancestral File has a significant number of obvious mistakes and
duplicates.  I always create a new set of data files, edit the new information,
and then merge the new data with my master database.  

You should be copy information from the Ancestral File to any genealogy
program that supports GEDCOM.

--
David Olsen			University of Wisconsin
dko@cs.wisc.edu			Department of Computer Sciences
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:07:17 CDT
Reply-To:     Brian Madsen <vortech!enterprise!bmadsen@TEXSUN.CENTRAL.SUN.COM>
From:         Brian Madsen <vortech!enterprise!bmadsen@TEXSUN.CENTRAL.SUN.COM>
Subject:      Danish and Norwegian
Comments: To: texsun!vm1.nodak.edu!roots-l@texsun.Central.Sun.COM

In another roots posting, I mentioned that I'm developing an
interest in learning Danish.  This is a related question, but
it's a different enough thread that I'm posting it separately.

I was in the Dallas Public Library recently, looking at books
on Danish.  In the foreign language dictionary section, I found
a Danish-and-Norwegian to English, and English to Danish-and-
Norwegian dictionary.  I tried to find the "Danish" and "Norweg-
ian" parts of the dictionary, and didn't find them in separate
sections.  I also didn't find any explanation as to why this
dictionary was supposed to cover both Danish and Norwegian at
the same time.  The only conclusion that I could come to was
that Danish and Norwegian might possibly be more-or-less the
same, or at least similar enough that one dictionary adequately
covers both languages.

So, my real question:  just how similar are the two languages?
After you know one, what do you need to know to be able to also
speak the other?

Thanks in advance.

Brian Madsen
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:15:06 EDT
Reply-To:     "Brian Abernathy" <cba@EWS002B.ATL.HP.COM>
From:         "Brian Abernathy" <cba@EWS002B.ATL.HP.COM>
Subject:      Requesting GEDCOM format
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I have some data which is in a unique (home-grown) format, and would like to
convert it into the GEDCOM format, for importation.  I remember seeing such
an item recently, but unfortunately my system burped, and I lost the data.

Does anyone still have that format available?


                                        Brian Abernathy
                                        Hewlett-Packard Company
                                        Atlanta Response Center
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:15:55 -0500
Reply-To:     "Cydni Shepherd Choate" <choate@TENET.EDU>
From:         "Cydni Shepherd Choate" <choate@TENET.EDU>
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

This is my first message to this listserv.  I hope I'm doing it right.

I have come to a dead end in researching one of the lines in my family.
My gr.-gr.-grandmother was an American Indian.  She is buried in
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.  We think her tribe was called the Delawares
(maybe the Delaware Peace Tribe).  Her name was Moon Shower, but was
embarassed about being Indian and changed her name to Elizabeth Monshouer
and married a Weikert.  We think the tribe was relocated in Oklahoma.  She
supposedly (according to family tradition) was the daughter of a chief.

Does anyone know of methods of researching American Indians, records of
those on reservations, etc.

**************************************************************************
                                  Researching:
Cydni Choate   <choate@tenet.edu>*Lynch, Weikert in Penna.
Pasadena, TX                     *Shepherd, Dean in Texas
                                 *Choate, Frazier, Hogan in Arkansas
**************************************************************************
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FidoNet in UK is receiving these messages
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 18:17:00 GMT
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On <20 Aug 1992 22:28> Mike.Fisher@p0.f50.n440.z2.fidonet. (5:7104/2) said to All :

 MFfnzf>You may like to know that the messages in this group are being 
 MFfnzf>"gated" into a
 MFfnzf>FidoNet EchoMail conference in the UK.

Hi Mike,

Good to see you here as well as in GENEALOGY.EUR

Are you running the gateway yourself?

Keep well

Steve



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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:53:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Carole Leisure <LEISUR42@MMC.BITNET>
From:         Carole Leisure <LEISUR42@MMC.BITNET>
Subject:      KENTUCKY PITMAN (PITTMAN)

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 03:48pm CDT
                                        From:     Carole Leisure
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Subject: KENTUCKY PITMAN (PITTMAN)

The "historical" area being preserved on the Murray State College campus
was my great-great-grandmother's kitchen.  Her name was Louisa Malone
Pitman (Pittman).  Her husband, my g-g-g-father, was Basil (Bazzel) Pitman.
Does anyone out there know any more than this?  I have a deadend with
Basil, as far as going back is concerned.

Thanks for all the help.

Carole Leisure
LEISUR42%MMC@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
RESEARCHING: Dockery (England, NC, TN, KY), Pitman (KY), Malone (Ireland,
KY), Watson (NC), Fisher (TN, AL), and Leisure (France, TX, OK)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:15:18 EDT
Reply-To:     Dave Peterson <18084DEP@MSU.BITNET>
From:         Dave Peterson <18084DEP@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Russell County, NY 1859

   Looking at a set of discharge papers for a relative it mentions a
Russell County in New York.  My lame map of New York doesn't show it or
I just didn't see it.  Does any one have info or ideas about this?
Actually the date says April 7, 1865 for the discharge paper.  The marriage
paper mentions Rapberry(?) forthe same person.  Possibly the city.  The date on
 the marriage is Feb 19, 1859.  Thank you for any help.

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<  Michigan State University, Student   |     conscience, but          >
<  E-mail:  18084dep@ibm.cl.msu.edu     |   at least I got you         >
<  Bitnet:  18084dep@msu.bitnet         |     off my back."            >
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Looking for book on Fitler families
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:52:10 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Aug30.142659.42664@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I am a total ignoramus when it comes to genealogy, but for many years
>I have tried to find the following book, which might contain
>information on my family:
>
>	W. W. Fitler, _Genealogy of the Fitler and Allied Families_
>	(1922)
>
>I picked this up in somebody's special collection years ago, jotted it
>down, and have not found it since, in Lib of Congress, NYPL, or
>university libraries.  I'm becoming uncertain now about the exact title...
>
Wilbur asks..... could this be it?

1.
Author: Audenried, Joseph Crain, 1839-1880.
Title:  The Audenried genealogy : with the allied families of Musche,
Wills, Wallace and Fulton / by Joseph Crain Audenried ;
supplemented by his niece, Jane Audenried Fitler. Philadelphia
: [s.n.], 1933.
Description:    132 p. ; 25 cm.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; 787.

Notes:  Microfiche. Sanford, N.C. : Microfilming Corporation of America,
1982. 2 microfiches ; 11x15 cm.

Subjects:       Audenried family.

Other entries: Fitler, Jane Audenried, 1865-

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G787

... well 1933.... but Fitler is there somewhere...

Cio!
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:42:50 -0700
Reply-To:     Bob Wier <rrw@ELDEN.CSE.NAU.EDU>
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@ELDEN.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      July Compuserve Magazine
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

 It's a little late, but I thought I'd mention the following -
 (I'm just getting around to reading my u.s. mail after being out of
 state all summer).  The July Compuserve Magazine has/had a fairly
 extensive layout on their genealogy forum, including a sidebar
 "Mining Elder's Memories". This might be useful for novice researchers
 if you can manage to find a copy.  Unfortunately it's copyrighted or
 I'd scan it in (they'd probably not be too wild about distributing
 their article on a "competing" network :-)

 Too bad (for me) that they (nor anyone else) has a locally accessible
 data port here (the Grand Canyon area is out in the boonies, folks!).
 Not enough business here to support a commercial network, I guess.

--BW


 - Bob Wier

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From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: MY TINY TAFFEL
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:39:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

N Tom Gowdyk   A 7912 - 143A Street   A Surrey, BC  V3W 9W5   A Canada   T
(604)-594-6625   B Mindlink Usenet/(604)-576-1214   C 9600//z-modem   D 3/IBM
286/1.44 meg   F Brother's Keeper 5.0   Z 22 TTGEN-1.22 MP
B631 1804*1984 BROADBENT\England/Dallas, Texas
C160 1730*1730*CAPPER\Lincoln's Inn, England/Lincoln's Inn, England
C500 1822*1822*CONWAY\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
G340 1822*1822*GATLEY\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
G340 1606*1965 GOODALE\England/Edmonton, Alta.
G320 1884*1990 GOWDYK\Zadubrowcy, Galicia, Poland/Vancouver, BC
H610 1820*1820*HARROP\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
H400 1822*1822*HILL\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
J236 1896*1896*JASTRZEBSKAoland/Poland
J236 1866*1896*JASTRZEBSKIoland/Poland
J525 1860*1860*JOHANSON\NORWAY/NORWAY
J520 1882*1882*JONEStalybridge, England/Stalybridge, England
L500 1766*1974*LEWINfield, England/CANADA
> M620 1860*1860*MORRIS\ENGLAND/UNKNOWN
> O630 1810*1810*ORDCOTLAND/SCOTLAND
> P600 1810*1810*PARR\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
> R523 1895*1895*RINGSTAD\Olstein, Norway/Olstein, Norway
> S530 1820*1820*SMITH\ENGLAND/ENGLAND
> S152 1644*1705*SPENCERt. Clements, Oxford, England/ENGLAND
> S356 1890*1930*STENERSON\Earlville, South Dakota/LaJord, sask.
> T500 1705*1705*TOWNEY\Cowley, England/Cowley, England
> Z240 1866*1866*ZAZULA\Poland/Poland
> W 31 Aug 1992
> 
> 
> I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I'll give it a shot and
> see what I get.
> 
> 
> Tom Gowdyk
>
From: Brian_Wesner@mindlink.bc.ca (Brian Wesner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: search
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:31:09 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I am looking for information on the wesner family any info gratly appreciated
thanks in advance
x

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