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From: willis@cssn02.ssc.gov (Suzzanne Willis)
Subject: Re: OB .vs. a Midwife
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:05:20 GMT

I used a midwife when I had my son (only child) two years ago, and I was glad
I did! She was (is) a CNM who delivers at a hospital. There is an OB in
the practice who is on call if needed. I was very pleased with the amount
of time she always took with me - she always seemed to have time to answer
my questions. Also, she was willing to be flexible about how the baby was
delivered - people have had babies in reclining chairs, underwater, etc.
When I had my son, my labor went on for a very long time without progressing
(about a day and a half); she knew we wanted a natural birth and was very
patient and understanding. When I stayed at 5 cm for 12 hours after my water
broke, she finally said something needed to be done (I, exhausted, agreed),
so I had Pitocin and an epidural (at that point I had been in labor for
about 36 hours total, plus all night the night before that; this was
Tuesday night and I hadn't had any sleep since Friday). Once I couldn't
feel the contractions, I slept harder than I have ever slept in my life;
after about 4 hours I was completely dilated and they turned the epidural off 
so I could feel to push. A couple of hours later, my son was born - I didn't
have an episiotomy, and only one small tear! We went home the next day. 
The OB had stopped in while I was pushing (he had had to be in the
hospital while I was on Pitocin), taken one look, and said "she's going
to need a really big episiotomy" - so much for him!
Anyway, this is longer than I meant, but I believe that without the midwife
I would have had a Cesarian for sure; my son was carefully monitored
through the whole time and things would have been speeded up if he had
showed any sign of distress, so I feel I was taking as good care of him
as I could.
This doesn't mean, of course, that if you are in a similar situation
(not likely - the midwife said she'd never seen a labor quite like mine!)
you couldn't choose a different set of things to do - to my mind the
advantage of having the midwife was having the choices available.
How to find one - I was referred by a friend. You could also call around
to local hospitals. They are also in the Yellow Pages!
			Sue Willis
			willis@pdsf.ssc.gov
p.s. feel free to email; also, please don't be put off by my experience!
Because of all the support I was getting, and the control I felt I had,
it was tiring but by no means horrible! And I have a wonderful son who
made it all worthwhile immediately!
From: dank@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Daniel G Knierim)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: dank@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <13749@vd.seqeb.gov.au> BSS_GRAEME@vd.seqeb.gov.au writes:
>In article <RyX1iB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>, holly@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Wendy Woodcock) writes:

>> [She'll be 7 months pregnant on scheduled wedding date; should wedding
>> be postponed?]

Wendy:

>	Congratulations on both your upcoming wedding AND your
>	unscheduled arrival!!!
>	I'd opt for a more "comfortable" design, and go ahead.
>	I think a pregnant woman would make a _truely radiant bride_
>	in every sense of the word. 

Ditto!

Also, if no one in your family is humor-impaired, you could have your Dad
walk you up the aisle with you on one arm and a shotgun on the other.  :-)

- Dan Knierim
These opinions aren't worth the standard disclaimer form they're printed on!
From: johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:53:53 GMT
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr8.172807.26359@ims.com>, johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle) writes:
|> 
|> *******************************************************************
|> Johnny Battle             Hysterical explosions of golden forsythia

Oopsies.  LOTS of keywords in that one. Let me remove my elbow from my
ear and try again.

You know you're a parent when "love" means never having to say, "I'm
sorry, but it's YOUR turn to change the diaper."

**********************************************************************
Johnny Battle                  father of Asa, the Ninja Warrior,
                               and Gloria Grace of the beautiful face
From: gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:56:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:
>kenr@sol.usc.edu (Ken Richards) writes:
>
>>(Just in case you are wondering, we do not engage anything criminal you
>>might be thinking is associated with our religion, e.g. human sacrifice,
>>animal sacrifice, drug use, abuse of any form...etc.)
>
>Then what do you do?  If it has nothing to do with what most people
>consider Satan to refer to, then are you just grandstanding, with your
>children the victims?  That is, if you believe in a non-evil religion,
>why give it a bad name when (I am sure) you could find a more
>descriptive title?
>Ron House.                 USQ
>(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
>----------

   I don't think that people who worship a particular religion should
   change the name of it because of the ignorance of other people about
   the religion.

   Most people seem so unbelieveably ingorant and closed minded about
   most religious issues that I would ardly consult them before deciding
   what to call my religion.

   Another example is the Pagan religions.  There are a large number of
   Pagan worshippers.   What does this mean to you?   Common usage is
   not generally descriptive of pagan worship, and the word pagan has
   been in use for this worship FAR longer than it has had negative
   connotations started by the Catholic Church.
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From: s8486534@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (S8486534)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:05:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

X writes, y writes....

       The discussion of condoms in schools belongs on Oprah Winfrey, not
in a forum devoted to education.  When are you people going to grow up!
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
From: whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.023051.28468@ddsw1.MCS.COM> zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>
>	I was planning on asking people about this...
>	My high school I am *sure* will NEVER give out condoms.  Thus, I
>thought, maybe *I* should start such a program...  I would take donations,
>buy condoms, and make them available for people to use.. I will also mention
>failure rates and related stuff...  (And of course, safer forms of sex which
>do not involve coitus.)

Say it... Blow jobs!  :-)

>	What does everyone think of the idea?  (Don't worry about the
>administration yelling at me-- I can handle them--what about other factors,
>such as whether people will be willing to donate money, whether it will be
>abused, etc...)

I'd say outright SALES would be a better bet.  Donations are a shaky area with
kids.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 23:56:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <29826@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>
>Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
>your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift 
>anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may 
>hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I 
>shouldn't bowl since I may get hurt swinging the ball.  I'm obviously 
>going to ask my OB about it but wanted to hear from the netters also.
>

I bowled until I was 7 months pregnant, and I used nothing lighter
than a 15 lb ball.  But then I had bowled for quite a while (bowled
for university team, etc.) and my body was obviously adapted for
this.  I did note that as I got bigger and my center of gravity
changed I scored quite well.  I only stopped at 7 mos because the
leagues ended and the baby was due during the summer leagues.  :-)

I also knew a lot of other women who bowled up till they got
pretty fat and I don't remember anything bad happening to any
of us.  Tell your husband to worry about something more important.

Geez, I haven't gone bowling for ages.  I hadn't even thought about
it until I read your post!!
From: Linda_Walmer@transarc.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: laparascopy and meterodin treatment
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: walmer+@transarc.com
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
To: misc.kids.usenet










My sister is about (in 2 weeks) to have laparoscopy surgery.  She has
been trying to get pregnant for about 2-2.5 years.  She has been on
serafen (spelling sure to be wrong), for a couple of doses.  They have
done another test which is an internal exam, but I forget the name of it.
They have also done a lot of monitoring of all the hormones and etc.
I think that the serafen did not work as it was raising her hormones,
but she was not ovulating.  I'm not sure about this.

Anyway, they have decided to give her meterodin treatment (injections
of some hormones, with monitoring to decide each day what to inject).
Before they do this the doctor is doind laparoscopy surgery to check
things out.

She is very anxious about all of this, the surgery, the effectiveness
of the hormone treatments, and getting pregnant (finally as she
says).  I would appreciate any information that I can pass on
to her about these topics.   She is of course really hoping
to become pregnant with the first dose of meterodin, but I have told
her that a couple of posts I saw a while ago indicated it took more
than one try on this medication.

Thanks for your replys in advance!


Linda Walmer
walmer@transarc.com
From: rmitchel@BBN.COM (Rob Mitchell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Seeking father's social group in MA.
Date: 7 Apr 1992 22:22:33 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rmitchel@BBN.COM (Rob Mitchell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

    Just curious ... does anyone know of a father's social-like
    group in the south shore area in Mass?  Specifically, one
    that gets together with their newborn/infant children just
    to talk and bounce child issues off each other.

    TIA!  Email works best for me.




Rob Mitchell                  (rmitchel@bbn.com)                  617-873-4041
Macintosh and Unix Software Engineer
These opinions are mine and mine only.
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sleep Problems FAQ File
Date: 10 Apr 1992 04:42:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: any volunteers?

As it appears that Jeannie Dopson doesn't read misc.kids (!), or at
least hasn't responded to my request to get in contact with me, I've 
asked Caroline Lambert to send me the FAQ file on Sleep Problems.
Until some kind person volunteers to maintain the file, I will act
as the contact person, so that people who want some help can at
least get the file.  Sorry for the inconvenience of having a person
on the FAQ File Index who doesn't even have a valid e-mail address,
folks.  If you want the file, please e-mail me
(dlin@weber.ucsd.edu).

It would be really nice if someone would step up to volunteer 
to maintain the file, as I am already maintaining three others.  Thanks 
in advance,


-- 
Diane C. Lin			"The secret of life is enjoying
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         the passage of time."
(Dylan's mom, 16 months)		  	-- James Taylor
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Six YO "Meany"
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:48:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.144827.29692
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) says:

>In article <1992Apr10.210836.29766@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>>I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
>>He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
>>use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
>>kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
>>finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
>>kicks, bites, you name it!!!!
>>
>
>This is not politically correct advice, but it sure worked for us.  When
>Mitchell started beating up on Erin, we made a rule (Erin was about 17 mos, 
>Mitchell just over 3).  You hit Erin, we hit you.  And we did - tit for tat.
>And in 2 weeks the hitting was almost ended.  He still gets frustrated with
>her and forgets.  But as often as not he'll get mad and start to hit and then
>pull away and hit the floor or couch instead.  Sometimes he just growls at
>her.
>
>I think younger siblings deserve to have adults be their advocates against
>abuse by their older siblings.  And the lesson is quite valuable.  It isn't
>fair to make a kids live with abuse, no matter where the abuse comes from.
>And that means older siblings have to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently.
>
     This might be a good idea for a 3YO if nothing else works - just one
little swat on the rump will sting a bit, but yet won't traumatize him - as
long as you say why:  i.e.: "See what that feels like to hit; that not only
hurt you, it hurt your feelings."  Timeouts have always worked with my cousins
when they've hit.
     Also, Judy probably showed him ways to combat the desire to hit - note
the fact he now hits the ground or growls.  This is very important when
dealing with the reactions of a 3YO, because they don't know how to act
in these situations, when their emotions get the best of them.  It's better
to teach "no hitting whatsoever," though this way did work. (It's something
where, if it hadn't worked after a few weeks, it's time to try something else.)
With some kids it wouldn't work - it would get them more riled up.
     The thing is, you'd have to hit a 6YO harder than you would a 3YO to get
his attention.  Also, Judy seems to imply Mitchell was hitting more out of
anger - notice how she describes him hitting the floor or couch now, or just
growling.  This child is apparently not doing that, but hitting for no reason
whatsoever.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:18:03 GMT
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) writes:


> Eric Lee Green on the other hand is breath of fresh air, as he seems the only
> one on the net to exclude his personal superficial perceptions, and submit
> opinions that can be summerized by
> 
> 	"I heave read and analyzed the research, therefore I know how to treat
> 	 children."

The one thing that you do learn when youhave children...is that all the
theory in the world, is often very little help. Often the thing that is
the most help, is another, experienced parent.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Boy (8 yrs.) wearing out shoes
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 06:06:23 GMT


Some people are just harder on shoes than others.  As one of those, here
is what has worked for me.  At one point I was wearing out the inside
of the heels, so we put rubber taps on the section that would get worn
down (put the taps on when the shoes were new).  Also, having several pair
and rotating them seems to improve their longevity, though it my just
be illusional, they are probably wearing out in the same number of 
wearings.

Also, I have special orthotics and those help since they provide the 
arch supports.  Without them, I can wear out an inner sole in 2 weeks.

-- 
I finally decided what I want on my tombstone...

	"Here lies Judy Leedom Tyrer.  The world will never see another like 
	 her.  We are undecided on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing."
From: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
Date: 9 Apr 1992 16:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Apr09.054935.2486869@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
|> 
|> Our hospital informed us that they sell the placentas to shampoo companies.
|> That's where the "protein" in protein shampoo comes from.

No, I think the protein comes from some more common source (I don't know 
what, do you?). The placentas are used for their hormone content for 
expensive face creams. Maybe they are used for protein in shampoos, but 
soybeans would be cheaper, easier to prepare, and just as good. I guess 
it would vary from brand to brand.

I was always grossed out as a kid when I saw the jars of face cream at the 
store that boasted "with placenta."

And do you know where interferon (a very useful drug) was harvested from 
before cloning could be possible? The foreskins of circumcised infants!

I've sat through many boring seminars by members of a lab at my old 
university who used epithelial cells harvested from umbilical cords--
trying to figure out how to prevent nasty things like strokes from 
resulting from implanted medical devices.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: jims@hpihoah.cup.hp.com (Jim Smeenge)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:25:55 GMT
Subject: Gov. Wilson and Childcare
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I am posting this for someone who does not have access to the net, but
would like to make this information available to you:
	
	
	
	Assembly Bill 962 is currently sitting on Governor Pete
	Wilson's desk for the next week.  This bill was initiated by Judy
	Blanding - a Public Health Nurse, Infant-Toddler Specialist with the
	Health Dept. who works closely with Childcare Providers.  Currently
	there is no legislation requiring licensed daycare providers to have
	basic training such as CPR or First Aid.  Basically AB 962 is 
	requiring that each licensed daycare must have a director or teacher
	who has 15 hours of training.  The training would include:

	     a). 4 hours of CPR
	     b). 8 hours of pediatric first aid
	     c). 3 hours in preventative health practices which would include
		 one or more of the following:
		    1).  control of infectious diseases, including immunizations                    2).  training in childhood injury prevention
		    3).  sanitary food handling
		    4).  nutrition
		    5).  emergency preparedness and evacuation  

	You can support AB 962 by contacting the Governor's office and 
	telling him you want him to approve it.  
	
			Phone:  (916) 445-2864
		        Fax:  (916) 445-4633

	My 6 month old son burned his hand and received 2nd degree burns
	at a licensed daycare provider's home.  If the provider did have
	this basic training perhaps the accident might not have occurred or
	the emergency may have been handled quickly and competently.
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: FOLLOWUP: Urinary Tract Infection/Reflux
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:12:47 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Several weeks ago I posted about my 4-month old daughter who had just been
diagnosed as having a severe urinary tract infection.  The pediatrician was
concerned that she might have a kidney problem called reflux which causes urine
to back up into the kidney, thus causing repeated infections.  He had
recommended some tests, and when I posted I was completely ignorant about
kidney reflux and frantically worried about the tests and medical implications
of a diagnosis.  I got quite a few very informative (and empathetic) posts from
other parents who had been through this.  Thanks to everyone who wrote!

We had the tests done at our local children's hospital.  One was a voiding
cystogram, which involved catheterizing my daughter, filling her bladder with
liquid that was visible on an x-ray, then filming her urinating the liquid to
see if there was a reflux.  The other test was a renal ultrasound, which was
exactly the same type of ultrasound exam that many women get prenatally.

The testing procedure was not nearly as bad as we feared.  The baby got the most
upset when we had to hold her arms and legs still for the x-rays.  The
ultrasound wand tickled her, so she giggled madly then got fascinated watching
her very own kidneys in living color on the monitor.  I must say though, I
can't think of anything much more heart-tugging than putting a size x-small
actual (tie-in-the-back) hospital gown on your infant!  

And the results:  no reflux.  We are of course relieved, though the ped. says
he still wants to do monthly urine samples for the next 6 months since there 
is a greater chance she will have a recurring UTI.  But at least we know 
there isn't an underlying physical problem.  Of course, my husband also now 
suspects a urinary infection every time she squawks at night :).  This kid
may have hit on a new strategy for managing mom and dad...

Thanks again for the input.  BTW, when the dr. at the hospital asked me
(perfunctorily) if I understood what we would be doing, he was amazed at
my detailed answer.  As he put it, I had "an almost clinical" understanding
of the procedure.  Little did he know that I had a nation-wide panel of
consultants!

Ann Helmers
From: tios_ll@tac.fi
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: misc.kids
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:22:52 GMT
Organization: City of Tampere

In article <78490@yarra.pyramid.com.au>, rag@yarra.pyramid.com.au (Robyn A Grunberg) writes:
> Seriously, though, I just had my third child 6 months ago.  My other
> two are 12 and 8 but both of them are devoted to Nicola.  I'm really
> glad I had the third, now I'm thinking of a fourth.  (I hope my
> It seems that the older you are, the more you enjoy your kids.

I'll second that, life is more comfortable with four kids today than
it used to be with one or two. Suppose I finally fell into pace with them :)

Liisa Laurila 
Tampere,Finland					Internet: tios_ll@tac.fi
Newsgroups: misc.kids