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From: brk4690@zeus.tamu.edu (READ KING (409) 696-1591)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Mouse for HP48SX
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:48:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I forgot the number and title of someone's previous posting about having a mouse 
attached to the HP48SX.  WELL... I just saw yesterday, a DAK catalog (early 
summer 1992 i think).  Anyway, on the back was an IR mouse.  it had a base that 
plugged into the mouse port of a PC and the mouse itself sent IR to the base.
It seems to me that you could use the IR output from the mouse and read it from 
the IR port on the HP48.  Just an idea for you guys who are interested.

Read King
From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP48 Calculus question
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.124741.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, sterba@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> Question:
> 
>                               dy
> How would one try to find the -- of the followinq?   y^3 + xy = tan x
>                               dx
> 
> I can't seem to be able to find directions in the manual...  All I can find
> is dy/dx for equations such as y = x^2 (y and x are isolated)...
> Thanks...
> 
> Peter

                        d              d
Construct the equation  --(y^3 + xy) = --(tan(x))
                        dx             dx

and EVALuate a few steps. When you see 'dX(Y)' (with d as the derivation
symbol) in the equation, use { 'dX(Y)' 'dY' } (first d is derive, second is
just lowercase 'd') vMATCH (ALGEBRA MENU, second row).

The calc than converts all dX(Y)'s to dY, which is what you wanted. Afterwards,
when you read the equation, you should convert dY back to dY/dX. Not on the
calc, but on paper.

Hope this helps.

Christ
From: willegen@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: What sort of compression is .Z?????
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:35:17 GMT

In article <15APR199211192048@summa.tamu.edu>, brk4690@summa.tamu.edu (READ KING (409) 696-1591) writes:
> 
> I am familiar with a lot of compression types, but what in the world is .Z ??

Unix

Christ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: WP-2 users drop me a line!
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:04:09 GMT

If you use a WP-2 and would like to talk about it, drop me a line at
peterco@eff.org!

- Peter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: hallf@lonex.rl.af.mil (Frederick G. Hall)
Subject: Re: Hard drive for old tandy 1000 question
Organization: RL
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.192754.21637@athena.mit.edu> jmnjeru@athena.mit.edu (James M Njeru) writes:
>I have an old tandy 1000 (model 25-1000) (made in 1984 I think).
>It has 384K memory.
>Right now there are two 5.25" floppy drives on it.
>I know someone selling a 20mb ST225 hard disk (not external).
>Will this hard disk work on my machine?
>
>If not, what hard disk will?
>
>Thanks.
>-James Njeru (jmnjeru@athena.mit.edu)


It should as long as you get a Western Digital controller with the ROM made
for Tandy 1000's...check PCM Magazine or Computer Shopper for sources.
From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 07 Apr 92 21:14 CDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: 12/16/16B/6000 TRSDOS 4.? problems
Message-ID: <-31017@nemesis>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: A20 Handler on 1000RLX
From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:06:17 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

This letter      is in response to a user who asked if it is possible to
address the high memory on a Tandy 1000 RLX.  The answer is YES!!  After
looking at a Tandy 1000 RLX, I noticed that the new ones out of the box come
with MSDOS 5.0.  When it boots up, the message appears:
 
A20 Handler Number 2
 
which means that they are using the second A20 handler and this does provide
the 384K of upper memory which is shown by the MEM command.
 
The question now is where might someone get the A20 number 2 handler?
 
I will look into it, and get back to you.


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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: 1400HD (what is it?  What can you do to it?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:02:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.14674
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


	I have the opportunity to pick up one of the floor model 1400 HD
Tandy laptops at a great deal, but I am not too familiar with this computer.
First off, what is it?  What processor does it use, and how big is it in
size, memory and hard-drive space?  What ports does it have available and
what kind of graphics does it use?

	Second is what can be done with it?  I presume that it is capable
of having a built in modem.  Can the memory be expanded?  Is there an
external monitor output or can one be added?  Is there a card slot?
If anyone knows of any other pros or cons to buying this unit or any
additional modifications that can be done to one, I would appreciate the
information.  Thanks.

swood

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy,ne.wanted
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: WANTED: Battery/AC powered Modem for Tandy WP-2
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 17:04:56 GMT

I'm looking for a dual power source SMALL 2400 or better baud modem for
my Tandy WP-2.  I'd like it to be powered both by battery and AC power
alternatively (maybe even rechargable).  If anyone knows of such a
beastie, let me know.

- Peter
From: mammal@bass.bu.edu (Ronald Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: EEPROMs on 1000 SL/2 machines
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: mammal@bass.bu.edu (Ronald Miller)
Followup-To: comp.sys.tandy
Organization: Boston University

By running SETUPSL2 /a or SETUPSL2 /b you can access the start-up parameter
EEPROM -- something that the manuals don't talk about.  /a gives a menu-
driven version (like SETUPSL2 with no argument), while /b lets you change
things at the bit level (!)

Anyone out there have data on the specifics, such as how to set DMA states, or
other such arcane bits o' knowledge?  Does the tech. reference manual hit on
this topic?
From: lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: DR DOS on 1000 TX drive letter question...
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:42:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Originator: lape@duncan.cs.utk.edu


	I recently installed DR DOS 6.0 on a 1000 TX and am having problems
with drive A.  It is supposed to be a 3.5" 720K disk, but it will only
format to 360k.  I have installed the driver.sys device, but drive A still
only gets to 360k.  Drive E, on the otherhand, is a 720k drive.  If I use
assign to which them, I cannot format to a.  I would like to be able to
format a to 720k.


Bryon S. Lape
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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Adding a new drive
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I'm currently working with a Tandy 1000 TL/2.  I have (installed at the 
store) a 40-meg hard drive, one 720-k 3.5" floppy, and one 360k 5.25" floppy.
I am interested in upgrading one floppy to a 1.44m 3.5".  However, there 
seems to be a rather strange connection to the 3.5" drive - no power 
connection, just a cable running from the 5.25" drive (which does have both
a power and a data cable connected to the board.).  When I connect
the new drive to this cable, however, the computer won't turn on.  
Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can make this thing work?

Thanks muchly,
Chris.


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From: andrem@pyrman2.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Need help with EGA card
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:54:07 GMT

I just obtained a Everex EGA card and Mini-Micro EGA monitor (used, obviously)
that I am attempting to use with a Tandy 1000TX.  As you can guess by the
fact that I'm posting this message, I don't have documentation for them.  I
checked the computer's manual before installing the card, and it indicated that
you only needed to change switch-settings if installing a monochrome graphics
card.  According to the manual, no changes are necessary if using a color
graphics card.  The 1000TX has built in CGA, so I guess that it's supposed
to disable that if it detects a video card in one of the slots.

To make a long story short, I installed the card and have found that some
programs work with the new board fine, while others don't.  I come up into
DOS ok, and seem to be able to use text programs with no problem.  When I
attempt to use a program that makes use of graphics, I get mixed results.

The following games have worked fine with it:  Breach 2, Falcon, and Marble
Madness.  However, when you exit Breach2 you just get a blank screen.  The
keyboard reset doesn't work, but the reset button on the front of the screen
does.

Deskmate 2 doesn't work, and neither does Rules of Engagement.  I can't find
anything in the manual for Deskmate that indicates that it can be installed
for different types of displays (maybe Deskmate2 is too old for EGA???)
Rules of engagement was installed for EGA but the screen blanks out when
attempting to actually play the game.

Unfortunately I was unable to find a model number or other ID on the Everex
card, so I can't provide any more info there.  If anyone else has run into
(and solved) problems when adding a video card to one of these beasts I'd
love to here from you.

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From: kkasche@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Kevin Asche)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy,comp.forsale
Subject: Help! My Boot disks for tandy models 3 and 16 destroyed!! send copy?
Keywords: newdos80 trsdos lsdos diskettes help
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:48:06 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

I'd like to restart my computers after the fire!
(backups only included the data files!)

Could someone copy a bootable system onto disks I supply?
I really need this or we'll have to junk our data files!

thank you in advance (!! !!)
kevin
I can ship 8" for the model 16 and 5.25" for the Model 3
Thanks again.
kevin

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: WP-2 users give a shout, please!!!
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1992 17:43:05 GMT

Anybody who uses a WP-2 and would like to discuss it, please drop me a
line.

- Peter

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: Re: M100 and 2400 baud modem
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 17:02:59 GMT

If I remember correctly, the Model T's and the WP-2's screens only
refresh at about 2400 baud.  Any faster and you're not going to get the
scrolling benefit, but transfer will be quicker.

- Peter
From: blytheg@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: IDE 20MEG SMARTDRIVE INSTALLATION
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:53:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I have been told by radio shaft, excuse me, shack that the 20Meg smartdrive
in my tandy 1000 tl/2 is an IDE hard drive.
I have a 386 with an IDE controller, but when I connect the smartdrive to
the non-tandy computer it won't work.  Is there something I'm missing?
Is there a special jumper on the smartdrives that I need to change?
Tandy provided me with no documentation of worth and their representatives
in Lawrence Kansas are less than helpful about aiding me in puting the tandy
drive I bought in a non-tandy machine.

Any clues would be helpful.
From: senol@caroline.ee.pitt.edu (Senol Kucuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Tandy 1200 HD BIOS upgrade...(?)
Keywords: Tandy, 1200 HD, BIOS, ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: caroline.SENOL.92Apr10150300
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pittsburgh, EE Dept., CVPR-Lab.
X-Md4-Signature: 3640a9ea6e0598dedce3c65c6736d6c9


	Howdy. I was wondering if anyone out there has a Tandy 1200 HD
with a BIOS dated newer than version 2.6 (1985). I tried to change my
FAT size from 12 bits to 16 bits FAT on my 10 Meg old disk but it quit
booting so I am guessing this version does not support 16 bit FAT's.

	I am looking for a cheaper BIOS upgrade (preferably in EPROM
form) since I have access to an EPROM programmer. 

	Thanks in advance...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: kevin@iisat.uucp (Kevin Davies)
Subject: Re: Tandy bashing revisted
Organization: Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:34:02 GMT

In article <9420@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.033703.27008@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:
> >In article <9417@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine) writes:
> >>
> >>  Now here's the question:  What reason, other than an attempt to
> >>  force PC illiterates to buy a Tandy cable, would Tandy have for
> >>  reversing the init line?  I can picture it quite clearly:
> >
> >thinking it was IBM who changed the standard.  Tandy's printer port
> >has used that configuration since 1978 (or 79?) when the TRS-80 Model 1
> >expansion interface came out.  The IBM port has been in use since 1981(?)
> >when the PC came out.  Tandy continued using their 1978 port to maintain
> >compatablity for their model 1,2,3,4,..... users who were upgrading.
> >
>   I'm referring to the printer end of the cable, the 36 pin
>   Centronix portion.  The other end is not even close to what the PC
>   uses (a mail DB25 connector); I don't know what Tandy calls it.
>   As far as I know, the Centronix interface was established long
>   before the IBM PC was even a glimmer in Intel's eye. 
> 
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 
> 
> Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 


Standards... Standards... they're only good when *everyone* uses them
the same way.  The original design of the RS-232C 'standard' describes
the use of a 25pin cable.  Now, what's on the back of my 386 ?
An *IBM* standard 9 pin cable, but the documents originally described
25 pins.  So I had to get 9 to 25 pin cables, since all my 'standard'
serial equipment uses 25 pins.  I've never seen 9 pins except on the
PC's.

"Yes, but not all are used, so 9 will suffice and save space. Progress
my dear boy, progress."

It's just like SCSI devices, they all work together when everyone
interprets the standards documents the same.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy,misc.forsale.computers
From: jc@joker.mil.ufl.edu (Jim Castleberry)
Subject: 2 Tandy 6000HD Xenix computers for sale
Organization: Machine Intelligence Laboratory, University of Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:31:09 GMT

I hate to sell'em but I'm moving ...

1.	Tandy 6000HD computer (8MHz 68000 with Z80 I/O processor)
	1meg RAM, 15Meg hard disk, 8-1/2" half height 1.2Meg floppy
	Xenix 3.2 operating system (multiuser, multitasking unix)
	Development system 3.0 (C compiler)
	Games and utilities (hack, wof, zoo, kermit, compress, etc.)

2.	Tandy 6000HD computer, same as the first except this one
	has the floppy drive in an external case, along with another
	one which is not connected and needs alignment.  Also has the
	sockets installed for the 12MHz upgrade.  Hasn't been used
	regularly in a while but it comes up and runs fine.

Asking $175 each o.b.o.  You'll get a better deal if you buy both.  No,
I don't want to sell the software separately.  Buyer pays shipping.

I also have 2 12MHz 68000s, a spare keyboard, and 200 floppy disks I'll
throw in if you ask for them.

Jim Castleberry
jc@joker.mil.ufl.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: jmnjeru@athena.mit.edu (James M Njeru)
Subject: Hard drive for old tandy 1000 question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:27:54 GMT

I have an old tandy 1000 (model 25-1000) (made in 1984 I think). 
It has 384K memory.
Right now there are two 5.25" floppy drives on it.
I know someone selling a 20mb ST225 hard disk (not external). 
Will this hard disk work on my machine?

If not, what hard disk will?

Thanks.
-James Njeru (jmnjeru@athena.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: ken@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (Ken Yap)
Subject: Re: Tandy archive
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:06:35 GMT

|Just a note aboout the archive I created a while back for the 16/6000
|Xenix system.
|
|When it was created there was little interest and I became quite discouraged.
|Since so little attention was given to it and I had problems finding 
|any code elsewere on the net, I went to my quicker booting Atari ST.
|I will start using my Xenix system if I start seeing more action on the
|net.
|
|Basicialy what I am saying is "USE THE ARCHIVE!", put stuff* on it.

Thanks Blaine,

I just put my file of context diffs to WEB2C TeX version 5.84b to make
it compile on a 16B/6000. You can find it in
pub/tandy/utilities/TeX-for-tandy. Have fun.
From: x3212kai@maple.circa.ufl.edu (James Stein x3212kai.maple.ufl.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: Need info on Model 1 ascii transfer
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:28:04 GMT
Reply-To: X3212KAI%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

>  I have been asked to do a file transfer of which I don't have any idea how to
>do.  I will need to
>transfer a text file from a RS Model I to an IBM PC.  I have not seen the
>Model I to be used nor have I used a model 1 for many years.  I don't know how to
>use one or what capabilities that they have.
>  The solution I thought up was to use a serial port?  The questions I have are:
>
>1.  Does the Model 1 have a serial port?  Is it easy to put data to it?  What
>are the commands or will I need a program?  Is the program something anyone would
>have?
To answer this question you need to find out if the computer has the expansion
interface. (Since you mentioned disk drives I will assume it does (mainly because
I don't think you can have disk drives without it, I really can't remember has
been a long time.) 
    If it does have an interface the easiest way would be to hook the Model 1 to
your PC via a null modem and connect the two. Then transfer the files.

>2.  Is there a better method for transfer but because I don't own a RS, I'd never
>think of it?  How about an IBM program that will read the data directly?  (I believe
>it is on floppy disk, guess=5.25")
   There is a program for the IBM that will read a TRS-DOS or LSDOS disk. You may
try looking on a local bulletin board. I may be able to locate a copy of it. If I
do I will let you know.
>3.  What didn't I ask that I should be warned of?  Compatibility, word processor
>formats, ASCII, ... .
   Using an ASCII transfer via a null modem or even using the Model 1 to upload 
to another system then downloading it on the PC will probably be the quickest 
way to do it.  Depending on the terminal program the Model 1 has, If it has one
you may even be able to use a beter transfer protocol. It has been several years,
around 6 I think. Since I have even used a TRS-80 Model 1,2,3,or 4 for that
matter.

Hope this helps..
     James
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: guido@iastate.edu (Brian P Walenz)
Subject: GCC BINARIES needed for 6000
Keywords: binaries gcc tandy 6000 needed help_now
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:23:37 GMT

	Not much else to say...

	I have a 6000 with 1M memory, and NO compilers.  NONE.  ZERO.  ZILCH.
Therefore, if you have GCC compiled, PLEASE drop me a line!!!!

	On a similar note (lack of software), I looked at plains.nodak.edu
today, and WOW!  There's so much there!  (This is sarcasm, guys and gals.)
Maybe I'm too hasty, but there has got to be more publicly distributable
software out there for these machines than this!  I'd be happy to port some
stuff, but FIRST I need GCC (*HINT*  *HINT*) or some similar substitute.

	And while I'm ranting and raving about lack of software, where is
a good place (or any place, for that matter) to get the distribution disks - 
(you know, the ones that I'm assuming came with the machine)?  I bought 
my 6000 used and it came with (ahem) a giant mess of stuff on the HD's and
some useless backup disks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy