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From: bd6520@u.cc.utah.edu (BALACHANDRA DESHPANDE/MECHANICAL ENGINEERING)
Subject: unable to read SCI
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Distribution: usa,canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:01:39 GMT

	Hi SCIans,
		I am unable to read any articles on SCI, my machine says   
"0 unread articles..." every time...I am new to the net,please e-mail ur 
suggestions directly to me.
	Thanks in advance.
	Bala.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: <..> and Ed Crick 
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:13:09 GMT

Once more, this is not a flame.  For those not interested in this
reply, hit the `n` key.

[Ed Crick's thoughts deleted]

Sigh.  Mr. Ed <a la dummy a/c> opines correctly that free speech is
protected but chooses to overlook the fact that he did tender an
apology earlier for some offensive posts.. and still employs the
keyboard with dexterity [which is fine] .. since the apology was
sincere then aforementioned Crick did cause sufficient pain. 

As for why publicly now:  observe how useful the Usenet is, for
every user posting directly, there are scores of others who do not
waste bandwidth.   Every system administrator knows the limits of
sanctions they can place on their users; and they encourage users to
participate in such informal `governance' mechanisms as it is most
efficient [quicker payback: less volume of bandwidth required for
faster corrective action] and democratic [consensus].  It is an
extremely diplomatic means:  the weight of opinion generated
determines the extent of the reprimand/rebuke.  And in the end
nobody really loses any sleep over this .. except in rare
instances of extreme net-abuse .. quite fascinating to see this
self-governance work itself out, but somewhat dissappointing when
the significance of the mechanism embodying free speech is lost on
some, even when so closely associated with, nay advocates of it! 

As far as personal attacks/racial slurs/gender biases/Nazi
style/Leninistic-Marxist generalizations that you may have or will
indulge in, no reply is really deemed neccessary. 
						 Good Day, Mr. Ed

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From: an3919@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: New newsgroup : alt.culture.bengali
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:09:31 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian



>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.


	stuff deleted .......

>
>Draft charter of the newsgroup
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
>(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
>(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
>(c) The literature of Bengali people
>(d) The men of letters.
>(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
>(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
>(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
>(h) Bengali cultural institutions
>(i) Politics of power and the language.
>(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.
>
	What about Bangladeshi language?

>
>I hope I will receive a favorable response.
>
>- Bijoy Sagar

I think that this group should be welcomed. I vote YES for the creation of this newsgroup.

- Joydeep Mitra         
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: s.c.tamil is quoted in 50 articles in s.c.indian!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:04:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian

In article <C037L7.E2B@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:
> Considering that hardly any article in s.c.tamil talks about
> the conduct of other newsgroups, this is a great honour to
> s.c.tamil: recognition of its importance, concern for its "quality".

What does talk about other newsgroups have to do with the quality ?


> That apart, one fear expressed by many opponents, namely reduction
> in volume in s.c.i, has been dis-proved. In fact, the presence of

People were not afraid of reduction of volume on SCI. In fact they
wanted reduction of volume on SCI as it had grown to unmanageable
size for meaningful discussions. SCT and SCI cross-posting is so much
that there is still too much clutter on SCI.

>  s.c.tamil, gives many there an opportunity to discuss something.

Mostly it has been jingoistic propaganda from tamilians on SCI.
A pathetic attempt to malign Aryans, their customs etc.
Hardly meaningful.

> 
> Incidentally, what some called as "bashings" have given people
> opportunity to see other points of view, feelings etc. s.c.tamil

Feelings of lot of SCI'ers were hurt by the acrimonius propaganda
from some tamilians.

> was not intended as a passive magazine. It is a discussion forum.
> Except for a few people who have fundamental opposition to the
> existance of the s.c.tamil itself, other's have posted their
> views, however different in a civilized manner.

Quality of SCI degraded due to cross-postings attacking aryans,
their customs, religion  etc.


Alok
From: hbr6165@zeus.tamu.edu (harish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Moslems!
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:13 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

HI!

This is in response to Mr. Syed, who in his recent article said, Jews
had the safe haven in Muslim countries for 500 years..

I was a bit surprised at this.... I was reading a english translation
of Koran by Mr. J. Dawood, and according to him.. Mohammed personally
engineered the persecution of Jews. He virtually eliminated 2 jewish
tribe (800 men were beheaded and all the children and women were
sold as slaves) and he saw to it that no jew remained in Mecca or Medina
as jew.

If needed, I can provide more details from the book.

-Harish

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sbose@cse.iitb.ernet.in (Sanjay Bose)
Subject: Want to know whereabouts
Organization: Department of Computer Science,IIT, Bombay
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:05:50 GMT



To all Dhakaites ,

		 That day I was going through the network news
and came across some names of my classmates . I would like to
contact them . Well I was at St. Francis Xaviers ( aka Green 
Herald Intl School )  and  at Wiles Little Flower School . 
I hope some of them still remember me and would send me mail
at :

  sbose@cse.iitb.ernet.in ( preferably )
  or
  sbose@cc.iitb.ernet.in 


				SANJAY BOSE
				____________




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:46:28 GMT

(Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>(Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>>
>>Oh, come on! Please don't assume the role of the supreme censor now.
>>There are (I suppose) Usenet laws divined to contain terrorism and
>>let the law take care of that. With respect to blasphemy thing,
>>you sound like Jerry Falwell than a reasoned individual. Looks like
>>the first amendment stops at your whim and fancy! 

>Oh! Bull! The same liberal smut. There is a difference between censorship
>and terrorism. Terrorism and propaganda oriented towards the same is
>curbed in every democratic society unless it is your looney society.

If hate, blasphemy (whatever you meant by that word) and terrorism
were to be the litmus tests for the creation and existence of news
groups, then soc.culture.indian should have been shut down a long
along time ago. And so should soc.culture.pakistan and many other
such groups. 

Please tell us why you support the existence of soc.culture.indian
and not the creation of soc.culture.bengal?

>My god, some people will go to any lengths to prove that 
>they are intellectual slaves of outstanding quality. 

Since I cannot do any better, I will quote Voltaire and leave this
alone: "I don't agree one bit with what you are saying, but I
will defend unto my death your right to say so." Call me whatever
you want, but I see this as extending the same liberty that we
have to others. 

The bottom-line is this: any group has the right to form their
own newsgroup (as long as it meets technical criteria) unless others
decide, through magnanimity or malice, to gag them!

Satya Prabhakar

	Oh! Give me liberty,
	For were ev'n Paradise my prison,
	Still I should long to leap the crystal walls - Dryden



--
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Happiness, dear Phaedrus, is a passed pawn!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: Profanity, Anonymous postings and SCI.
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:37:23 GMT

Hey, whatever constructive thing some folks may do, your solution of
do-nothing smacks of the mentality of `having been caught in the act
earlier,' -- I don't hear you saying anything about the profanity
but rather it almost sounds like you second what some of these
posters are doing.  I certainly don't condone their postings; what
is your position vis-a-vis responsibility in this matter?  I have
already asked these posters to desist -- have you?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TOP 10 differences between .......
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:37:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Anand writes:
>   The top 10 differences between men and animals :
>	4. animals need not wear anything but men .....

	err.. how do you wear a man? :)

	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Pakistan (The Origin) - Division of Sub-Continent
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:25:29 GMT

I my opinion and that of our people (in Haryana) partition was a 
cruel "joke" perpetrated by departing British who were arrogant
enough to think they new what was "best" for India. There are
Jats who are Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs...quite happy to share the
land and its fruits, yet follow different traditions. Uniformity
does NOT lead to unity . You will not find a country more uniform
than Solamia (98% Sunni, 99% Somalis) yet worst country on the
earth, if not the worst.

Toelrance for others views, faiths, tradition make the civilization.
Acid test being how the minority rights are respected...nuff said.
From: ved@cis.ksu.edu (V-Cube)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: US Sprint
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:48:36 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: regulus.cis.ksu.edu
Keywords: Long Distance

jim@sytex.com (Jim Arnold) writes:

>v118t398@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know if US Sprint will continue
>> their $1.23 /min (and $0.98 /min for the number
>> called most in India) special to India after
>> Dec 31st or the rate will be $1.55 /min from 
>> Jan 1st ?

>They told me that they would *not* continue it.  I hope I'm wrong.

>jim

>---
>jim@sytex.com
>Sytex Communications, Arlington VA (703) 358-9022 (8,n,1)


But they told us that it would be continued until June '93!!


Ved.
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From: ved@cis.ksu.edu (V-Cube)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: *** OFFENSIVE POSTERS, STOP OR GET FIRED ! ***
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:36:25 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: procyon.cis.ksu.edu

dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

>				MEMO
>				----


>TO:	Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
>	others who post *really* obscene and offensive material

>FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
>	Indignant and frustrated readers

>REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
>	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN


>After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
>to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
>copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
>action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
>will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
>He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
>be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
>evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)

>If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
>express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
>your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
>rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
>feel as strongly about this.

>A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
>It is NOT a joke.


	
        *** MUST STOP **


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From: ddt@anju.caltech.edu (Dhiraj Thakkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 26 Dec 1992 01:56:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: anju.caltech.edu

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From: banerji@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ranjan Banerji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: LOOKING FOR STUDENTS FROM THE AIR FORCE SCHOOL, NEW DELHI
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:14:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am looking for all students in the US or any where else that this message
reaches from THE AIR FORCE SCHOOL, NEW DELHI. This is to compile a list
of these people.

Please send e-mail to banerji@andromeda.rutgers.edu or
banerji@draco.rutgers.edu

or call at 201-643-1736

If you know someone from this school then please pass the message on.

Do not respond through SCI as I don't scan through it.

Thanks,

Ranjan Banerji
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The Significance of Arya - 2/3
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:54:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Arya - its Significance Part 2/3

From - The Supramental Manifestation and Other Writings by Sri Aurobindo.
----------
... If Arya were a purely racial term, a more probable derivation would be
'ar', meaning strength or valour, from ar to fight, whence we have the
name of the Greek war-god Ares, areios, brave or warlike, perhaps even arete,
virtue, signifying, like the Latin virtus, first, physical strength and
courage and then moral force and elevation. This sense of the word also we
may accept. "We fight to win sublime Wisdom, therefore men call us warriors."
For Wisdom implies the choice as well as the knowledge of that which is best,
noblest, most luminous, most divine. Certainly, it means also the knowledge of
all things and charity and reverence for all things, even the most apparently
mean, ugly or dark, for the sake of the universal Deity who chooses to dwell
equally in all. But, also, the law of right action is a choice, the preference
of that which expresses the godhead to that which conceals it. And the choice
entails a battle, a struggle. It is not easily made, it is not easily enforced.

Whoever makes that choice, whoever seeks to climb from level to level up the
hill of the divine, fearing nothing, deterred by no retardation or defeat,
shrinking from no vastness because it is too vast for his intelligence, no
height because it is too high for his spirit, no geatness because it is too
great for his force and courage, he is the Aryan, the divine fighter and
victor, the noble man, aristos, best, the srestha of the Gita.

Intrinsically, in its most fundamental sense, Arya means an effort or an
uprising and overcoming. The Aryan is he who strives and overcomes all outside
him and within him that stands opposed to the human advance. Self-conquest is
the first law of his nature. He overcomes earth and the body and does not
consent like ordinary men to their dullness, inertia, dead routine and
tamasic limitations. He overcomes life and its energies and refuses to be
dominated by their hungers and cravings or enslaved by their rajasic passions.
He overcomes the mind and its habits, he does not live in a shell of ignorance,
inherited prejudices, customary ideas, pleasant opinions, but knows how to
seek and choose, to be large and flexible in intelligence even as he is firm
and strong in his will. For in everything he seeks truth, in everything right, 
in everything height and freedom.

... to be continued
namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shanti@engin.umich.edu (Shanti Suresh)
Subject: S.O.S!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:16:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Keywords: H-1, multiple

Hello everyone,

I would like to have some information on obtaining a multiple-entry H-1
visa from a consulate outside the U.S. , say Toronto, Canada or Mexico. 
I would like to know the following:
(1) do I need my original H-1 status copy (the blue letter)? In the
    blue letter, it says that a copy with the I-94 will suffice.
(2) Will a letter from my department saying that I need to re-enter 
    the U.S. to continue my work, help me? I don't need a visa to enter 
    U.S. from Canada, but from say, India or something. I was told that
    this letter might help.
(3) What are the questions that are asked; in other words,
    what information do they need?  
(4) The address of the U.S. Consulate in Canada.
(5) Anything else I need to know/take.

I will check my e-mail till Saturday evening; next week, I will be
out-of-town. Any help by then is well-appreciated. 

Thanx in advance.

							-Shanti
e-mail: shanti@dove.ns.itd.umich.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srsurapa@mtu.edu (Surapanani)
Subject: THE PRINCE OF TIDES  ---  A POEM
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:43:11 GMT


         The Prince Of Tides

    Walking by the waters of Superior
       watching the tides rise and fall
       to the drumbeats of the waves
       reverberating to and fro
       and the fine soft sand caressing his feet
       the cowboy looks at the deep blue sea
       lost in thought contemplating
       the mysteries of "the prince of tides"

    As the rays of dawn
       seep through the horizon
       with the warmth of the sun replacing the
       calm and serenity of the moon
       the tides awaken to the change of guard
       as if bowing in respect to the mother nature

    As the sun climbs its way on to the sky
       the tides ebb in size and fervor
       shedding the froth and crust
       to the mild flutter of swings
       of submerged wings

    Occasionally, the sun is blocked by the moon
       with the rings of corona and eclipse
       causing the waters of ocean and sea
       to tremble and shudder
       in cold and darkness

    At the end of the day
       as the sun sets in the west
       the tides heave and rise
       from the warmth generated from the womb
       as the waters gobble the fiery ball of heat
       into unknown depths and fathoms
       plunging the world
       into darkness from light

    With the fall of the sun in the west
       the moon rises from the east
       cooling and comforting the
       troubled waters of ocean and sea
       with its melodius lullabies
       sometimes with half a smile and
       sometimes with a full
       as the tides dance in mild swirls and swings

    Once in a blue moon
       the new moon shows its dark side
       to the mother earth
       making the waters and tides
       of ocean and sea
       unruly and turbulent

    Occasionally, as the sun and moon look by
       the waters are hit
       by cyclones and hurricanes
       turning and twisting
       the eddies to a whirlpool
       sucking and engulfing
       anything and everything
       in its wake

    As the prince of tides echoed
       the mysteries of nature
       through the rise and fall of the tides
       the cowboy rocked in pleasure
       to the drumbeats of the waves
       reverberating to and fro
       against the sands of lake Superior.



                      Srini Surapanani

       ( The cowboy from land of holy cows and magic fakirs)
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <aa.725550318@hela.iti.org> aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana) writes:
>
>Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick cloak their earlier misuse/abuse of
>Usenet/users in `right to speech,' arguments and attack me
>personally -- note that now they do not use 4 letter expletives any

From where do you now get the courage to speak publicly instead of sending
covert meaasges to system administrators?  And even when you speak publicly
you distort the facts.  If you peruse my posts (and as a lieutenant of
the etiquette/morality stromtroopers you should have your files on me) you
will find a paucity of those 4-letter expletives which you claim I often use.
This is befitting of a petty, power-hungry, over-zealous thug, who manufactures
charges against those from whom he feels a threat, and then proceeds to use
ignominious means to have them censored.  However what you are nescient of is
that we do not threaten you, nor is there any obvious power to which you aspire.
That reduces your actions to mere vindictiveness.

This would be a case study for a psychiatrist, did the subject (or does he now)
feel powerless and impotent so that he transfers his anger to those who are
undeserving of it?

>amusing.  They exercise their right to speech within the norms that
>that are expected from using public forums such as this.   As far as

If you again inspect your files Herr Lieutenant, you will find that we have
always exercise our Constitutional right.  Now observe your rights.  You have
the right to hit "n" if you do not wish to read a post.  You have the right
to create a "kill file" for posts by Crick, Banerjee, and anyone else who
makes you feel small.  

>No flames, please. 
>Aayush Asthana| Technology    :    /___   ___//___    ___//___    ___/
>aa@iti.org    | Institute     :   ____/  /___    /  /    ____/  /____ 

Ed Crick
From: joshi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: dating an anglo-american woman
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:56:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I need help!!
if anyone has experienced the same things I am experiencing
dating an anglo-americn woman, send me mail.  I need support
more than anything else dealing with cross-racial issues
etc,.
thanks,John