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From: smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:04:48 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.181814.1683@wixer.cactus.org> raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz) writes:

   I still believe that O'Brien is a (Full) Lt. rather than an NCO.
   AND NOTHING IS GOING TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND!!!  Geez, let this

Good for you.  Actually, there should be no reason for discussion on the
issue.  Waaaaaay back in the SECOND season, in the episode where that
alien was 'experimenting' with the Enterprise and created a duplicate of
another Galaxy-class vessel, Riker and Worf were beaming over to the
other ship.  O'Brien was behind the transporter console and Riker said
something along the lines of 'Lieutenant, energize' (I forget the exact
wording, but I remember Riker saying Lieutenant).  In the next scene,
Riker calls back to the Enterprise and says (again paraphrasing)
"Transporter Chief, beam us back."  Case Closed.

As far as Worf's father calling O'Brien an enlisted man (with the look
of disgust on O'Brien's face <g>), remember that Worf's father has been
retired for a few years, and probably hasn't kept up on current rank
insignia.  To use a real world example, the USAF is changing the
officers rank insignia to Navy-style shoulder boards.  It also resembles
AF Reserve Officer Training Corps cadet insignia, and some people (still
on active duty, btw) think that the officers with the test uniforms are
cadets and address them that way.  Now, I'm sure that some retirees who
haven't been near an AF base in years might come on base and think they
are cadets.  Now, who do you believe, the retiree who calls them
'cadet', or thier deputy commander who calls them 'lieutenant'?
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Pool halls and Klingon Ships...
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:41:49 GMT

Why is it that Klingon ships always seem to be filled with smoke? I've never
seen a Klingon with a cigar/cigarette. The whole ship reminds me of a smoke
filled pool hall. If the smoke is from machines, is it at all toxic? Just
wonderin'.

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From: ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade)
Subject: missed last episode
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:41:25 GMT

Hi, I missed last saturday's episode.
Does anybody know whether it will get replayed this week?
I thought Channel 13 used to replay saturday's episode on
monday nights but i was wrong. 
I do remember seeing the second episode with Marc TWain on being
replayed on a weekday about two weeks ago. 
Can anyone help?

Thanks.
Ileana
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
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Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:18:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <Bw5wMB.FDu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>In article <910252m.21.719093251@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:
>>
>>    But you know what, I'm curious about something..... am I the only one or 
>>are there others out there with a love for How Much for Just The Planet ? 
>>This book has to be the funniest Trek book ever created. Just wondering if 
>>it has some more fans out there....
>>
>
>ME!! ME!! But I think a lot of Trek fans won't *let* themselves like
>this book because it doesn't treat the characters with the unwavering
>awe and respect which is usually asked for. A lot of people will see
>this the same way lots of Christians see The Last Temptation of Christ - 
>BLASPHEMY!! 

	This book is a good litmus test for when someone's love of Star Trek
has gone too far.  I loved it.  It and it's closest thing to a TNG counterpart
(Q-In-Law) are probably the last ones I'd get rid of if I for some reason were
to get rid of my ST books.

					-Jay


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: un: s.o.s.: man of the pe
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:21 EST

 -=> On 10-13-92  14:16, Gregory M Marr babbled to All saying: <=-

 GMM> A: 90-100
 GMM> B: 80-89
 GMM> C: 70-79
 GMM> D: 60-69
 GMM> F: 0-59

Yikes, it looks a lot harder to get a good mark in Mass!  :-)


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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:10:39 GMT

Are the Lynch reviews archived somewhere?  I seem to have missed the Lynch
review of 'Realm of Fear' because I didn't check the net before my host
server deleted it.  Where can I get it?\\
Thanks

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From: chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:45:08 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.


                        STAR TREK:  THE NEXT GENERATION
                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
                                 October 1992

Dates indicate the day of satellite uplink, 'PC' denotes Paramount Code, and
'R' denotes Repeat.  Stardates will be added when known.

Ep    Date      PC   Stardate     Title
----  --------  ---  -----------  -----------------------------------------
127.  09/19/92  227  46001.3      Time's Arrow II
128.  09/26/92  228  46041.1      Realm of Fear
129.  10/03/92  229  46071.6      Man of the People
130.  10/10/92  230               Relics
131.  10/17/92  231               Schisms
132.  10/24/92  232               Q-Me
133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals
134.  11/07/92  234               A Fistful of Datas
135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life
      11/21/92  227R 46001.3      Time's Arrow II
      11/28/92  228R 46041.1      Realm of Fear
      12/05/92  229R 46071.6      Man of the People


Chris Jacobson
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From: shadow@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (the shadow knows)
Subject: Re: TNG Credits: Man Of The People
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:03:06 GMT

speaking of ensigns, what was the ensign's name in the elevator
with troi? i know his name was never said, but was it listed
in the credits? did it give the actors name? gee I didn't know
they had ken dolls in the military..i guess gel still survives
in the 24th century..

gee he sure gets back into his uniform nicely or were they just
chatting...

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From: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Subject: st quality (nah..)
Reply-To: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:47:59 EST

>>Count me in as well!  I've enjoyed all three episodes so far.  You
>> can analyze some things to death.  Why not just sit back and enjoy!


-> you might just find that you can enjoy it for what it is: television
-> entertainment, not a spiritual savior, not an alternate reality that
-> you can run away to because you don't like the current reality.
-> Television. Period.  Not the subject matter for extended treatises
-> and theses.  Tune it in once a week, watch it, enjoy it, go out and
-> do something else instead of brooding over the parts that you found
-> "oh, so
-> dissatisfying".

I'm finding more and more that TNG is just _poor_ drama AND _poor_ SF.
Put it this way -- how many of the recent ST plots would have been
bearable if they were in some other, less famous show?  I'm getting to
the point where I'm watching it _only_ because it's ST and in constant
hope that things might improve (fat chance..).  Not a good state of
affairs.  I wonder how many other people feel the same?  I know quite a
few people locally..


-> I know that I'm wasting my breath (typing) by saying any of this, but
-> I think that some readers of this group are on the verge of
-> committing suicide because TNG isn't living up to their standards of
-> quality.  "Oh, of for God's sake!  Please, PLEASE somebody!  Stop the
-> writers from destroying our show!  Oh god!"etc., etc.

I don't know about suicide ;), just disappointment that a show with the
sort of support that TNG has isn't doing better.

Too many stupid inconsistencies, rushed 5 minute wrap-ups, main
characters that act like they just met (and
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From: nml@hq.lcs.mit.edu (Newton Loui)
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1992Oct9.070149.26612@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<Bvuw1M.9Lq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:51:06 GMT

In article <Bvuw1M.9Lq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:
 >In article <1992Oct9.070149.26612@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
 >>In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
 >>>	Question 1:
 >>>	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
 >>>in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
 >>>that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
 >>>up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?
 >>
 >>I believe Lore just floated around in space ... and it turned out Dr. Soong
 >>wasn't dead after all.  That's a common enough device in soap operas ....
 >
 >Yes, he floated around until he met up with the Crystalline Entity, which
 >rescued him. In the next episode we see him, he brings his buddy, the
 >Crystalline Entity, to the Enterprise to gobble everyone up.
 >
 >Jean

Sorry, I think you're wrong, Jean.  I think Lore appeared in two
episodes.  In the first, we first meet Lore as Data's big brother.  He
had become the ally of the Crystalline Entity.  In that episode, Lore
was transported out to space.  In the second episode - the one with
Dr. Soong - we learn that Lore *was* rescued but not by the Entity.  I
think it was some space freighter.  Someone please correct me if I'm
wrong.

nml
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From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:18:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Oct9.181814.1683
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <DAVIDM.92Oct8105519@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com
(David S. Masterson) writes:
>>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 09:36:39 GMT, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) said:

[a LOT of text deleted]

>> Ditto!  He was promoted to Chief of Engineering.  LCDR made perfect sense.
>
>But that was the equivalent of two promotions!  Was he THAT GOOD?  And this
>promotion (as in "you've been promoted to LCDR") wasn't mentioned either...
>
>BTW, wasn't the first Chief of Engineering referred to as "Chief"?  Does that
>mean she was an NCO like Chief O'Brien?

  Yes, the first Chief of Engineering was referred to as "Chief".  So was
the second Chief of Engineering, the _only_ Chief Engineer who hasn't been
referred to as "Chief" is Geordie.  Figures...
  In fact, how would you address Lt. Worf?  He's _Chief_ of Security.
  Ditto for Lt. Cmdr. Data.. Chief of Operations.  Are they all ENLISTED?!

I realize that this is not going to change people's minds, but I'll
take Roddenbury's interpretation over some NAMELESS writer that is
throwing a temper tantrum just because he/she/it can't get his/her/its
way.

I still believe that O'Brien is a (Full) Lt. rather than an NCO.
AND NOTHING IS GOING TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND!!!  Geez, let this
stupid thread die... Please...  It's been humorous so far, but
it's getting very damned annoying when half the damn messages are
about this very stupid subject.

Enough said,

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From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: MotP Delayed title graphic (no spoilers)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:13:20 GMT

I was just wondering if anyone knew why the producers went off their
usual track and delayed the title graphic in 'Man of the People.'

If you noticed, there was an entire scene before the title and the
credits were displayed...usually they are displayed immediately after
the first commercial break, during the first scene.

Just wondering if there was any reason behind this small change.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:30:17 GMT

In article <steph.718533116@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <bknutson.718513609@roby.ecn.purdue.edu> bknutson@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian A Knutson) writes:
>
>>  Picard says "Brinksmanship is a dangersous game."  He is referring to the
>>practice of testing an opponent to see how far they will go before
>>committing to act.  Perhaps the best example is the '62 Cuban Missile 
>>Crisis.  Which (IMHO) is the finest example of brinksmanship.
>
>Ah, I'd go with the crisis that coined the term:  Qemoy & Matsu.  "Eyeball
>to eyeball, and the other guy blinked." -- John Foster Dulles.

No, it's BRINKsmanship, not BLINKsmanship. 


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: About Scotty's Return...
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:17:43 GMT
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In <MERLYN.92Oct14094543@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:

>Nope.  Not *necessarily* McCoy in EaF.

>All we know is that there were a lot of things that were McCoy-like
>(country-doctor style, fear of transporters, age, knew someone like
>Data once, etc.)

We know a few more things also: that he served aboard a ship called 
Enterprise (which, given the character's age, would just about have
to be the TOS Enterprise), served with a Vulcan, spoke with McCoy's 
southern accent, and was a dead ringer (accounting for age) for 
Leonard McCoy.

Then there's the external evidence. Gene Roddenberry thought he
was McCoy, Deforrest Kelly thought he was McCoy; GR persuaded Kelly
to do the cameo role as a personal favor to provide a "bridge"
between the two series, which wouldn't make sense if the character
*wasn't* McCoy.

How much evidence do you need, how big a two-by-four do they have
to hit you with, before you draw the obvious conclusion?

(Hmm.  Was there ever an episode of TOS where they never reffered
to the Captain by name?  How do we know that Captain was really
James T. Kirk and not some other Captain played by William Shatner?)
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Enterprise time travel?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:19:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Oct12.202559.17416@ichips.intel.com> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
>
>Ya, in TS3:TSFS the young ensine seeing Kirk get into the transporter says "my
>God!! that's admiral Kirk!!", in other words kirk and the rest of the crew are
>the stuff of legends...Yet in TNG they treat Kirk and the rest like
>nothing...Comon guys treat em like the gods they are....It wouldn't have taken
>Kirk five years to get in Dr Crushers pants...;)
>Stephen 

	Hey, it has been 75 years.  How many of us treat Teddy Roosevelt as a
god?  Besides, maybe by TNG's time Kirk & co.'s achievements have (somehow)
been overshadowed.

						-Jay
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: pad is sexy and nude!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:32:58 GMT

In article <67634@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>At the moment I don't have a specific Trek novel in the works, although
>two are in the discussion stages:  One would be a Deep Space Nine novel
>(since Pocket is starting a line of those) and the other is a novel
>focusing on Captain Sulu of the Excelsior.
>
>PAD

Do the DS9 novel.  Probably more potential as you will already know
all of those characters.  With Sulu you need to make up your own as
he's the only one, and thus that isn't quite as much fun for a reader.
One of the kicks I get from Trek novels is getting inside the heads
of these characters we already know so well, and we wouldn't get 
nearly as much of that in the Excelsior novel.

Steve/Iain
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
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Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

jeff@adx.adelphi.edu (Jeffery Storch) writes:

> I agree... please explain!!!!

    It's actually pretty simple. Paramount sends the current episode of
TNG to all of the stations that carry it via satellite every Saturday at
6 PM (I believe). This is the episode that will be shown during the next
week, but it just happens that most stations don't show this episode
until the following Saturday, although a few do show it during the week,
on Wednesdays and Thursdays, judging from the timing of many of the
posts in this group.
    I usually see the uplink, taped, on Sundays. The uplinks a really
cool, especially with the limited commercials.

--
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode 
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:33:02 GMT

In article <BvvJKJ.CEs@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Huc
e) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.180802.24412@newsgate.sps.mot.com> wolfson@regatta.
ps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>>Well if they did it right, they might have some good conflict between
>>Scotty, and LaForge.  Scotty is the "hacker" type engineer, while
>>LaForge is molded primarily from the overblown "professionalism" that
>>seems to pervade TNG at times.  I don't see Scotty running diagnostics
>>as often as LaForge does.  Just give him a piece of gum and digital
>>fransatat and he'll get it running in no time :-)
>
>I bet LaForge eats quiche, too.
>-- 
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an
>   thieves and murderers. This will be a good life... good enough."
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3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k


Of course, how much has technology improved over the last 75 years?
The scale of warp isn't even the same!  Putting Scotty in Engineering
on the new Enterprise would be like taking someone who's only worked
on Model Ts before and showing him a Ford Bronco of today.  He'll
undoubtedly recognize some of the parts, but how well can he adapt
to the newer technology?  CAN you teach an old dog new tricks?  And
will we get a good glimpse of his missing finger?

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