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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: HELP: Tuning a Honda CB350/4
Organization: Bit Herders International
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:58:13 GMT

In article <13802.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
+
+-> : break down petroleum products like oil, gas and rubber.  So don't
+                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                   ^^^^^^
+> Excuse me?!? Am I wrong, or is rubber a by product of the rubber tree
+> plant? SInce when is it a petroleum product ?
+
+ Modern rubbers consist of latex, which comes from trees, or synthetic
+rubber, which I (truthfully) have no idea how is made.  

Synthetic rubber comes from the sap of synthetic rubber trees.
One of the big environmental problems now-a-days is the disappearance
of synthetic rubber tree forests.  After all, when was the last time
you saw one???   These forests are the natural habitat of the mock
turtle and the nauga which are also disappearing as a consequence. 
That is the main reason for the rise in price of mock turtle soup and
naugahyde.

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	Love is a word that is constantly heard,
	Hate is a word that is not.
	Love, I am told, is more precious than gold.
	Love, I have read, is hot.
	But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
	And Love but a drug on the mart.
	Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
	But Hating, my boy, is an Art.
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: cars-v-bikes
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:49:48 GMT

markk@tcsi.tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>>In both braking and
>>cornering the amount of grip between the road & tire is the most
>>important factor.

>In brakeing, wheelbase/cg height is also very important, Hence the
>success of the FXR.

Good point. Pre-ABS, the 911 series Porsches usually had some of the
shortest stopping distances because of their rearward weight bias.
I haven't paid much attention to the car magazines for a while, so I
don't know what's the top of their heap these days.

A good (un)real-world comparison would be lap times at various tracks.
Though you'd have to make sure that the cars & bikes were running the
exact same course. Anyone have car & bike times for a wide open track
like Daytona, and a tight one like Laguna Seca? How about 1/4 mile
times? Aren't cars down into the 4 second range?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Rant, etc
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:30:30 GMT

In article <21754@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey Oster) writes:
>
>What do you all consider the minimum reasonable displacement for highway
>riding?

Your 360 is IMHO below the "minimum reasonable displacement."  I used to
ride a '71 CL350, and used it to commute to work along a section of I-93
near Boston; that's a fast road, speed of traffic 70 mph on most days,
with a nice crosswind on the elevated section at times.  So it can be
done with a small bike, but you have to be somewhat adventuresome.
I do not recommend a small bike for distance riding, but an old 360
is no moped and could have plenty of oomph to give you a fun ride in
the twisties.

If you find yourself having problems with sidewinds, I would guess that
the LAST thing you want to do is put on a fairing.  I never tried one
on the 350.

I'll hazard a guess that for "real" highway riding you're better off
with at least 500 cc.  My 650 is perfectly adequate for me.


-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
From: tcm@moscom.UUCP (Tom Maszerowski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Ambulance Chasing Lawyers (LONG)
Keywords: Lawyer Book Ambulance Chaser Scumbag
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:24:13 GMT
Reply-To: tcm@moscom.com ()
Followup-To: rec.motos
Distribution: na
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY


  Today I received the following letter in the mail, which I will quote
verbatim and without permission:

.BEGIN QUOTE
Dear Motorcyclist,

  James Shapiro has just published the enclosed book. The Book
contains information about how to receive cash and benefits if you
have been injured in an motorcycle accident. Shapiro and Shapiro is
pleased to give away this book to you at no charge or obligation.

  Shapiro and Shapiro is a local law firm started in Rochester
by Sidney Shapiro and his son James Shapiro. Sidney Shapiro has
helped thousands of motorcycle accident victims over the past _fifty
years_.

  If you need extra copies of the book for your family or
friends, please call Michele at 546-7777 and additional books will
be mailed at no charge.

  Read the enclosed book to know your rights.

                                        Very truly yours,

                                        THE OFFICES OF SHAPIRO & SHAPIRO

.END QUOTE

 The "book" in entitled "Injury Victims Rights TO MAXIMUM CASH The facts
on how to collect money from corporations, insurance companies, doctors,
landlords, businessmen, or anyone that has caused injury or loss." and
is written by James J. Shapiro, J.D. Personal Injury Lawyer.

  S & S frequently advertises on Rochester, NY television with the
tag line of "Tough, Smart Lawyers".

.BEGIN SOAPBOX

  I'm sick and tired of the attitude that any accident is automatically
someone's fault. Lawyers such as Shapiro & Shapiro are creating a climate
in the United States where no one will accept responsibility for their
own actions. Motorcycling is an inherently risky activity that exists
because people enjoy it. But what would happen if the manufacturers decided
that the risk of being sued was too great and stopped making new
motorcycles and parts? Don't be surprised someday to find "Caution: 
Motorcycle has only two wheels and may cause serious injury or death
if not properly supported" stickers on fuel tanks.

.END SOAPBOX

  If your are interested/pissed/etc. Shapiro and Shapiro may be contacted
at the following numbers: (716)546-7777, (716)262-6350, and for fax
(716)262-6361.

Thank you for your support.

-- 
Tom Maszerowski    tcm@moscom.com   
                   {rit,tropix,ur-valhalla}!moscom!tcm
                   DoD#1957 (1987 BMW K75s)
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From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Golden Spectro = Vibration?
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:41:21 GMT

In article <AHLE.92Jul31095519@anke.abo.fi> ahle@anke.abo.fi (Peter Ahlskog DC) writes:
>In article <Bs8DrI.1CI@gtsi.com> rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>
>   I'd have to give a big thumbs up to Mobil-1 15W50 myself. I replaced the 
>	(stuff deleted...)
>
>SO. A couple a years ago the worst thing one could do, was to put Mobil 1
>into a bike. It was said that Mobil 1 was a too god oil for bikes, too thin
>(?) so the clutch would slip. What excactly has happened? What have they
>changed in Mobil 1? Or was this talk just bullshit?!?!

Some bikes do seem to have clutch problems with synthetic oils. But I wonder
if this is because the synthetics often have a lower weight than the
traditionals?

>considering to go for Mobil 1 this time. I've used Motul "fully synthetic"
>for the first 17 kkm. The most common Mobil 1 here is the 5W50, which I
>suppose isn't the correct one for a bike?!?!?

I dunno, 5W is too light for summer/fall riding. Check your manual, you're 
probably recommended 15W or 20W, and you should try to match that.
-- 
Rich Lawrence - "Stinger" - DoD#9630 '92 Seca II - Buckaroo Banzai lives!
Sysop/Hallucination: Full UseNet,Fido,Relay, 2GB+ IBM/Amiga  1-703-425-5824
    rich@halluc.com   rich@gtsi.com   CI$:71101,2272   Fido:1:109/345
                      "I'm fine" - Data, in DataLore
From: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Fuel shutoff valve question
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:30:02 GMT
Reply-To: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: danskin.berkeley.edu

Hi, there.

Could anyone tell me whether the fuel shutoff valve of the gas tank
should be turned off or not when the bike is not running?

I have a 85 Honda Magna 700. I have noticed sometimes that when I turn
the valve open again, there is some gas got out from the valve if I push
it in. Has anyone had similar problem?

I'd appreciate your answers.

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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Why have 2 throttle cables?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:38:31 GMT

steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>>>Once upon a time, Seth Zirin, a.k.a. Roid, Keeper of the 'Tude, wrote:

>>>>US Department of Transportation (DOT) Regulations that motorcycles have
>>>>a positive throttle return.

>(1) Please define "positive throttle return".  It would be nice to have
>    quick access to the DOT regulations wherein this definition must be
>    put forth, but I don't.

I don't suppose that anyone sells a rec.moto CD-ROM reference? Only 1/2
a :-), it would be rather useful to have the entire Hurt report, DOT
and other federal regulations, state motor vehicle codes and such all on
one handy little disc. Even better would be a CD-ROM with all the back
issues of Cycle, Motorcyclist, etc.

>(2) How old is this particular DOT regulation?  Is it *very* recent?
>    My '79 XS1100SF has "cable-to-open/spring-to-close", just as all my
>    previous motorcycles have had.

FWLIW (for what little it's worth :-), my '78 GS1000E, '82 DR250 and
'91 FJ1200 all have a dual cable pull-pull setup. The two Suzukis have
normal carbs, and the FJ has CV carbs.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Cop Flashlights
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:50:22 GMT

>>    I HIGHLY recommend purchasing MagLites, i.e., cop-style water-
>>    proof, explosion proof, aluminum flashlights.  Pay extra and
>>    get a Xenon bulb.  Check flashlight periodically to make sure
>>    the button didn't get pressed on and discharged the batteries.
>Probably because cops have a history of abusing gay people, whenever
>I see one of these flashlights I immediately envision somebody's
>skull getting bashed open with it.  The flashlight function never
>even crosses my mind.  Does anybody else have this reaction?

Yup. Why else would anyone carry a bulky, heavy flashlight that throws as much
light as a smaller flashlight one quarter its size? Those were standard issue
out in the sticks where I used to live. Most cops here in the city just carry
clubs (what are those called, anyway? tonfu?) and use a smaller flashlight.

I guess you could use it to prop your seat up, or maybe as a spare tent pole.

Dan
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From: jerryk@col.hp.com (Jerry Kinsley)
Subject: Re: Sprechen zie Sprofkets?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:37:11 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
> 
> Yet another chain/sprocket question:
> 
> In the process of putting Gleep back together, I discovered that
> the new front sprocket is a 16 instead of the 17 that was on there.
> (I'm guessing 16 is the stock size, or else I just didn't look carefully
> at the old one before ordering...)  Anyhow, I got it back on, with
> the bike on the centerstand (in my case, a stack of steam radiator fins :')
> and was adjusting the chain as per the manual.  I discovered, much
> to my chagrin, there are some tight spots on the chain.  I was experiencing
> this before, but it wasn't a big deal - the old chain was shot.
> This, however, is a new chain and two new sprockets (as well as a rebuilt
> swingarm, without the two-wheel steering effect the old one had).
> Also, I noticed that the period of the "tightness" was roughly 16 links;
> i.e., the same as the front sprocket size.
> 
> So, guesses welcome.  Have I got:
> 	1) a new, out-of-round sprocket
> 	2) a really weird chain
> 	3) a bent output shaft on the gearbox.
> 
> How much runout on the shaft or sprocket would make a difference?
> At the loose spots, the chain is adjusted to spec (i.e. 3/4 to 1 inch
> play).  At the tight spots, it's got less than 1/2 inch play.
> 
> 
> Oh, if anyone cares, it is a DoD chain.  Though the maker goofed, and
> substituted "i" for "o".
> -- 
> Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
> jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>         There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
>        Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.

This happened to me, the hole in the sprocket was about .020 inch off center.
It vibrqated like a tire out of balance, going down the road.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Gear
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.201030.29137@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>My favorite gear is my helmet, leather jacket, and steel toed boots,
>in that order.
>

I have just bought an HG jacket with the "FIRST GEAR" logo on it.
This jacket is great, as it has protectors a'la race-suit in the 
arms and shoulders, and the back is triple leather down the center.

>
>Isn't it about time for another steel-toed boot war?
>

Is this one where we all get together in a room and kick each other until
one of us doesn't say "uncle!" :)

-Dan


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From: madhatta@plume.mit.edu (Tom Yates)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Organization: CMPO at MIT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:22:53 GMT

In article <moseley.36.712265812@u.washington.edu>, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.123929.3041@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
> 
> >  Here in the UK, we have had a National 
> >Health Service since just after the 2nd World War.  It works, people don't
>  die
> >because they haven't got enough money to pay for treatment, and it doesn't
>  make
> >the government any more protective than yours.  Hell, we have faster limits
> >than you have, even on very congested roads.  We have two-strokes, big ones,
> >no BHP limit, no compulsory lighting laws, etc. Etc. Etc.
> 
> Isn't the U.K. considering mandatory leg shields for motorcycles and using 
> the "cost to society" argument to support such an idea? Maybe that's blown 
> over by now but I seem to recall such a proposal.

not any more.  they were, but it pretty much died.

now the EC is considering it, which is a) not necessarily our fault [though we
did start it] and b) much nastier, because the decision in the EC are made by the
[appointed] commision, not the [elected] parliament.

and harder to oppose, becuase it's coming from farther away; sorta like the Feds
mandating helmet laws if you want highway grants, no?

tom
From the machine of Tom the Mad - madhatta@teaparty.mit.edu - DoD#0135
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Tires: Metzler 55a vs 99a
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:33:37 GMT

patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:

>I'm looking for recommendations about Metzler's 55a and 99a 
>tires.

I just wore out an ME55 on my FJ1200, it went a bit over 8000 miles, and
still had a couple of 32nds left. Two Utah-California trips and a SLC-
Steamboat trip ate up the center of the tire before I could work on
wearing down the edges. The ME55 is a great tire, but with all the long
distance running I've been doing, I replaced it with an ME88. I've put a
couple of thousand miles on the the ME88, and it's wearing like iron,
but still has plenty of grip for spirited cornering. I haven't tried
peg-dragging with the ME88, but then as high as the FJ's pegs are, I've
yet to drag them anyways. (Yea, I know, Bill is going to dock me some
squid points for admitting that in public.)

The ME88 was supposed to replace the ME99, but enough folks wanted to
stay with the 99 that Metzeler has kept making both. They're ranked 88,
99, 55 in decending order of tread life. The rumors I've heard say that
all three tires use the same rubber compound, and it's the tread pattern
& tire construction that make the difference in tread life. If you can
find an "MBS" (Metzeler Belt System) tire in your size, it's worth the
extra bit of money, as the MBS tires last longer, with no loss of grip.

>Also, the front tire still has about 1/2 tread (8000 miles on the 
>bike) on the stock Dunlop.  Should I replace that with a 33 before
>I embark on this trip?

No reason that I can see, it sounds like it should last through your
trip. I think the "don't mix brands" is a mix of folk tale and tire
company sale pitch. If you're concerned about it, take it easy for the
first few miles and see if you notice anything unusual.

I'm running an ME33 CompK on the front. The standard compound would wear
longer, but I've got about 10K on the CompK so far, and it is probably
good for 3-4K more.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: delilah@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Mere words can't convey the real me)
Subject: Re: Anyone got a saucer helmet? (was: Re: More Helmet Stuff)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:45:08 GMT

> Would anybody out there be willing to pay a no-helmet premium in lieu
> of wearing a helmet, or pay extra medical premiums to smoke?
> 
> Terry

actually, and this depends on with whom your health insurance is, a lot of  
you *DO* pay extra premiums to smoke (if they know you're a smoker, that  
is) than the rest of us; makes sense, since smokers have (on the average)  
much higher health care costs than the rest of us, per unit time.

by a no-helmet premium, i assume that would be for equivalent health care  
in the event of a head injury incurred while riding helmetless? that is,  
you're covered if you ride uncovered?

-D-
p.s. i'll just continue to wear my helmet, thankyouverymuch.
-D-

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Squid points and tunnels ....
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:57:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Jul22.225354.15637@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu wrote:
> In article <6251@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes:
> 
> >   Yes, it's true, after what turned out to be a long 350 miles last Saturday,
> >   I entered that tunnel with malicious intent.  Scott told me later that
> >   as we were approaching the tunnel he thought to himself "That pipe could
> >   sound pretty interesting in that tunnel."  No sooner had he completed the
> >   thought than he heard me down shift 3 times and whack the throttle wide
> >   open.
> 
> [Tale of squid points appointed by other Denizens, a mighty fine idea]

Wait!  If squid points can be handed out for whacking throttles just to hear the 
results, my squid rating jumped through the roof when I jumped on Martin's Duc.  
Stop or go, my throttle hand was constantly rolling, unrolling, rolling, unrolling.  
At idle, I heard beautiful sounds.  In that wonderful traffic jam, the sounds of 
Thunder (stolen; sorry, Godfrey) in acceleration, compression braking, acceleration, 
compression braking kept me way too busy to mind the 5mph traffic.  To each his own, 
I guess - I remember clearly Bill saying "Gawd, that thing sounds awful" as it
rolled away after it was stolen from me.  With great restraint, I didn't slap him.

Now that I think about it, I did the exact same thing on Groucho's Duc also.

Mine ears can hardly wait till I go see the HD demo van this weekend in Ocean 
Shores, where my main task is to test ride Harleys.

Anybody think I should be nominated for KoTMSPfTW, Keeper of Too Many Squid Points from 
Throttle Whacking?

Pat
             ==================================================
            // Pat Loughery [Patlo@Microsoft.com] Seattle, WA \\
+===========//'91 Nighthawk CB750 || DoD #393, AMA #639366, VME \\==========+
|Evaluating for post-Jan purchase: Duc 907ie; HD FXRT & FLHS; Triumph Trophy|
+===========================================================================+
|   "It felt great to be starting another long ride; the 9-to-5 world       |
|   could go to hell for a few days while my machine and I rolled across    |
|   the planet."   - Phil Stone, DoD #95                                    |
+===========================================================================+
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: !!! SUMMER RIDING SUIT RAFFLE !!!
Keywords: tell me it ain't so!
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:59:09 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Jul28.231639.27861@infonode.ingr.com> jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>Announcing the...
>
>           !!! SUMMER RIDING SUIT YOU LOVE TO HATE RAFFLE !!!
>
>Once again, for those of you that missed it the first 50 times, here is a 
>description of the SUIT...
>
>...Kushitani, two piece, BLACK cotton/nylon riding suit. Zippers at the wrists

Blaine, are you _really_ responsible for this?  I gotta know.

Ride free,

Bill

________________________________________________________________
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