HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Z-mail: is it any good?
Keywords: Z-mail
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:00:06 GMT

In article <Jan.22.16.45.24.1993.25448@pilot.njin.net> giacobbe@pilot.njin.net (Jeff Giacobbe) writes:
>Is anyone out there using Z-mail in an environment of Suns, Vaxen, and
>tty terminals?

I use it on HPUX and like it a whole lot.

>1) Our department contains a mix of the above hardware, in addition to
>terminal emulation software on Mac and PC's (when users dial in from
>home).

I understand the Macintosh, DOS, and Windows ports of Zmail are planned.
It works well on Suns -- better than mailtool.  I use it in line mode
when logged in from home with my vt220 and that also works fine.

>2) It's hard to get folks to use a full-featured GUI point-and-click
>mailer on their workstations (e.g. Sun's Mailtool) and then have them
>switch gears (and mailers) when they dial in from home on a text-based
>terminal.

If they only have a tty at home then they won't get GUI features, but
zmail is the same except for GUI when used with my vt220 from home.

>3) Both UnixWorld and the Sun Observer think Z-mail is the best thing
>since the Smart Clapper(tm).

It is pretty darned good.  When they fully implement 100% MIME
compliant Zmail (reportedly under way now), it will be even better.

>So, will Z-mail really live up to all it's promises of
>interoperability and portablitily among GUI's and terminal types? 

I think Zmail is a good multiplatform choice.

I have no connection with the Zmail folks other than as a satisfied
customer.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: MS Mail: is this an MHS-compatible system?
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:06:25 GMT

mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart) writes:

> I had an SE for an integration firm tell me the other day that
> MS Mail (v3.0) was an MHS-based mail package.

MS-Mail uses a proprietary encrypted mailbox and dedicated postoffice.
There _is_ an MHS gateway available, to route mail between MS-Mail
and MHS.  I have no experience of this, but if their SMTP gateway is
anything to go by, I would avoid it like the plague.

The SMTP gateway is unstable, doesn't comply with the RFCs, is expensive
and has lots and lots of hidden costs (you need extra software for each
postoffice that wants to _send_ mail).  I assume that the MHS gateway is
much the same.

If you willingly lock yourself into _any_ closed MS system, you have
only yourself to blame.
 
 ---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---
 Paul Nash                                         paul@frcs.Alt.ZA
 Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa         +27-12-5611879

 "Standards are great -- everyone should have one" (Kent Landfield)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ted@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Ted Nolan)
Subject: Unix email with 16bit character (and ASCII) support
Organization: SRI International
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:23:37 GMT

Hello folks,

Is anyone aware of an email package for Solaris and SVR4 80[34]86 Unix
that supports Hangul (Korean) and English/ASCII text, has a nice GUI,
and interoperates with SMTP and/or X.400?  

				Thanks,

				Ted Nolan
				ted@usasoc.soc.mil
Newsgroups: acs.magnus,comp.mail.misc
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: email at work policy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:17:20 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Those of you who have net access at work... can you take a few minutes to
tell me what your office's policy is toward using email and news at work?
Do you use it for work?  What % of the time?  Is your office's policy in
writing?  What is it?

The issue has come up in the Admissions Office here at OSU recently.
I'd like to see what other policies are so I can hopefully present an
argument for maintaining and expanding our computer facilities.

Thanks
                                                            Mike Brown
_  _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient
From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing fax machines
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:39:39 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Rudy Crespin (crespin@nadir.uucp) wrote:

: >From the 'Internet Service List', Scott Yanoff:
: >-FaxGate
: > offers: Send a Fax via computer
: > To: FaxGate@elvis.sovusa.com
: > Subject:
: > Body: help
: I tried this and my message bounced. Please post or email me if you 
: are more successfull than I.

I sent the message to FaxGate and received the following reply:

E-mail: Gatemaster@elvis.sovusa.com
------


Phone: +7 (095) 532-86-89
-----


   How to use FaxGate.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  To send fax through the FaxGate send text message 
to FaxGate@elvis.sovusa.com

  Your mail must have special header and then message itself.

  Header is a set of lines used by gate for correct handling of
your fax. Every line consists of keyword and parameters.

  -----------------------------------------------------



  FaxGate commands:

 1)  phone  -  full fax phone number. Phone number must include
 country code and city code to be handled correctly.

Example:

  phone +7 095 532-86-89

 2) time - when you want your message to be sent.(optional)

Example:

   time  20:45-22:30

  Time assumed to be Moscow. (GMT+4 for summer
                              GMT+3 for winter) !!!

  You always must use format hh:mm-hh:mm without any spaces. You
can set different times for weekdays and weekends.

Example :

   time  Wd#10:00-17:00  We#00:00-00:00

  3) point - sets font size (in typogrpahic points) for
text message ( optional ).

Example :

   point 8

If there is no "point" command default value ( 12 points ) will be set. 

   You can set point value in range from 6 to 24 points.

  4)  english - set language for gate messages ( optional ).
Default language is russian.

  5) expire - sets the date and time after that gate must stop any tries
to send your message  ( optional ).

Example :

   expire 25-09-1992 23:00

   expire command parameters must be in form DD-MM-YYYY HH:MM

Default value is 2 days do not including weekends.

 6)  begin  -  sets the beginning of the message.

You can't omit this command. It shows the beginning of the message
itself.

Be sure you used this command!

 7)  help - using this command you can receive this message.


      --------------------------------------------------

  Here is the example of letter to FaxGate.

> phone +7 095 532-86-89
> begin
>
> Any text here
>


---------------------------------------------------------


Who can use these gateways
--- --- --- ----- --------
  To use gateway registration is needed.
  For registration send a request (with your Email and Post addresses) 
to Gatemast@elvis.sovusa.com


                        Price List of FaxGate.

       1. Customers registration ...................... $10

       3. Fax message ................................  $2.5/page

       

-- 

-----
Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)

	And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
	Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail SMTP Gateway
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:57:52 GMT

ptrubey@netcom.com (Phil Trubey) writes:

> We have found that our SMTP gateway stays up for about a day at a time
> before the MM program freezes (interestingly enough the machine usually
> can still be pinged while the gateway program is frozen).

I have seen this as well (a _lot_).  A client's gateway (which handles
a lot of traffic, ~500 messages/day) used to freeze in much the same way
after ~1 hour.  We replaced the hardware with a solid 33MHz 386, two
SMC cards, etc, and pushed up the MTBF to ~4 hours.  We now have a 
TSR that reboots the machine every hour :-).  Kludgey, but it's all
that we can do, until MS fix their mailer (or I can persuade their
PtBs to trash MS-Mail -- a far better option, although logistically
difficult with some 30-odd mailboxes and 5-6000 users).
 
 ---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---
 Paul Nash                                         paul@frcs.Alt.ZA
 Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa         +27-12-5611879

 "Standards are great -- everyone should have one" (Kent Landfield)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: reid@dsm.fordham.edu (Darin Reid)
Subject: Just wondering...
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:26:19 GMT

Just wondering:  I foward my mail from machine A to machine B - Then I
foward my mail frm machine B to machine A - what happens when someone
sends mail to either account?

(I thought of this at 3:00 am, don't flame me - just curious to know)
--
Darin Reid

	       Internet:                       Bitnet:
       reid@dsm.fordham.edu            areid@fordmulc[.bitnet]
       areid@mary.fordham.edu
       ddreid@nyx.cs.du.edu

Organization: Sponsored account, Applications Software, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:21:23 -0500 
From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
Subject: Re: How to "hide" large distributions in mail

Well, gee, AMDS (a local delivery system that's part of Andrew) let you
do this by recognizing addresses of the form
	+dist+FILENAME@domain.name
as valid, assuming that FILENAME is the name of a readable,
correctly-formatted AMDS distribution list.  That is, when the local
part of the address starts with the six characters ``+dist+'', the
remainder of the local part is interpreted as a file name by the
delivery system.

This is pleasant in that it allows anybody with file storage to maintain
their own distribution lists.  Yes, the envelope-from address is, by
default, set to be the owner of the file, or an address specified in the
distribution-list file itself.  And there are a couple of syntactic
constraints on the form of the distribution list file, for self-checking.

Not that you'd probably use AMDS unless you were also using AFS, but I
think that this feature is a good idea.

		Craig
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: IBM employee's E-mail address?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:20:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <1993Jan21.125837.16170@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Gerry.Mulvenna@launchpad.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna) writes:

> I would like to get in touch by e-mail with a cousin of mine who works
> for IBM in Gaithersburg, Maryland.  I am assuming that IBM might have
> some lookup facility for e-mail addresses.  I have tried TelNeting to
> the military WHOIS server with no joy. 

That's odd.  When I ask nic.ddn.mil whois ibm, I get 62 responses.  
If I narrow the search by asking whois dom ibm, I get 3 matches: 

Whois: dom ibm
IBM Electronic Vendor Support (SVO-DOM)                           SVO.COM
IBM Information Network (IBMMAIL-DOM)                         IBMMAIL.COM
International Business Machines (IBM-DOM)                         IBM.COM

I would suspect that the full record for either ibmmail-dom or ibm-dom
would give you good addresses for a postmaster inquiry.

However, you can save yourself some time by writing to IBM's server

The WHOIS facility is:   nic@vnet.ibm.com   - with WHOIS lastname, first
as the subject or in the body of the text.  This will only provide the
name of those accessible by vnet.ibm.com (over 15,000 tho) and a couple
of other gateways.  If the IBMer isn't enrolled, you can tell them to
issue the following command to find out how to enroll:
        TELL NIC at INTERNET GET HOWTO INTERNET

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Texas Instruments<->internet??
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:10:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

On <1993Jan23.022519.9696@news.unomaha.edu> hbae@cwis.unomaha.edu (Hansang
Bae) asks: 

> Is it possible to e-mail someone who works for Texas Instruments?  

It looks like postmaster@ti.com should be able to help you, but if not,
mail To: service@nic.ddn.mil, Subject: whois ti-dom, should give you some
valid email addresses.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Whois: Texas Instruments
Texas Instruments (TI-DOM)                                           TI.COM
Texas Instruments (LOBBY-HST)   LOBBY.TI.COM                    192.94.94.1
Texas Instruments (TI-COM)      TI.COM                          192.94.94.5
Texas Instruments (NET-TI)      TI-NET                          128.247.0.0
Texas Instruments (NET-TI-DAD1) TI-DAD1                        192.48.249.0
There are 173 more matches.  Show them? no
From: mlevin@teal.csn.org (Marshall Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Using pipe in .forward file
Date: 29 Jan 93 03:36:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:

>Question 1: What is "unknown mailer error 1"?

>Question 2: Why does the error message say that the message couldn't be
>            delivered?  The existence of test2.out indicates that test2 was
>            indeed activated.  Did the mailer try to send more than one message
>            test2?  Why do I even get the error message?


I had a similar problem piping mail to a script.  I later realized that the
problem was that daemon didn't have the correct priviliges to execute a script
that belonged to me, so I had to chmod to allow anyone to execute the script.
Then all was well.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: lromero@nyx.cs.du.edu (lorance romero)
Subject: Colo.Memory Systems e-mail address?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:40:24 GMT


does anyone know Colo. Memory Systems email address.  I know a friends
email name but not the rest.  Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mlevin@teal.csn.org (Marshall Levin)
Subject: Vacation aliases
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:25:36 GMT

How does one create additional vacation program aliases (so that it will
respond to mail sent to those addresses)?
Every time I try this:

vacation -a aliasaddress myusername

it waits for standard input, and then gives some error message regarding a
From line.  I tried to follow what it said on the man page.  Any ideas?

Email is preferred

Thanks
Marshall

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,uiuc.general
From: jennona@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (nona jennifer maryam)
Subject: Help me contact someone at the Air Force Academy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:32:53 GMT

  
I want to contact a good friend at the Air Force Academy.  I was actually a
student there a couple of years ago, and I remember hearing cadets say that
it is (somehow) possible to contact people at civilian schools over e-mail.
But nobody knew how.  They call their net Falconnet.

Please contact me at my e-mail address: jennona@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Genie?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:16:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C1FHr5.MIH.2
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project

dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com writes:
   No, go right ahead.  Remember that GEnie charges nothing for mail within
   GEnie, whereas CompuServe does charge for [sending] mail within CompuServe.

That didn't ring quite true to me, so I asked someone at CompuServe
about this.

If you are a pay-as-you-go subscriber, there are no charges aside from
connect time.

If you are a flat-rate subscriber, you are charged based on the size
of the message, but there is an initial allowance of approx 60
1-2Kbyte messages before those additional charges start.

That would cover quite a lot of email, for most folk.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: orest@base.bellcore.com (Orest Jarosiewicz)
Subject: WANTED: Mailing list <-> NETNEWS gateway software
Reply-To: orest@base.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:51:19 GMT

Does anyone know of any software package that allows mail sent on a mailing list
to be posted to a NETNEWS newsgroup, and articles appearing in that newsgroup to
be sent to the mailing list?  Our group is planning to gateway a mailing list with a
local newsgroup.

Please reply via email,

Thank you,

Orest

---
Orest Jarosiewicz
Bell Communications Research
444 Hoes Lane Room 1S210, Piscataway, NJ 08854
orest@base.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: seaney@cae.wisc.edu (Seaney Steven)
Subject: Eudora problems
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:38:34 CST
Originator: seaney@sun-34.cae.wisc.edu



We're using Eudora on our building network.  About a month ago I began to get
complaints that various Eudora clients were 'locking' up while accessing the
sever.  The machine has to be rebooted to kill Eudora.....   The only change I
can think of is that we have started to use a novel server for our main
network disk.

The macs that have had problems include a Quadra, II, IIsi, and SE.  The
operating systems are 6.0.8 and 7.0.1.  They are all on eithernet with MACtcp
1.1.1.  We use a variety of enet cards.

Does anyone have any ideas how to track down this problem?

Thanks,
Steve
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: todd@kastle.com (Todd A. Scalzott)
Subject: Re: Novell to IP mail gateway
Reply-To: todd@kastle.com
Organization: Kastle Development Associates, Arlington, VA, USA
	<1993Jan21.184021.18530@ohm.york.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:57:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.184021.18530@ohm.york.ac.uk> tom@ohm.york.ac.uk (Tom Whitehouse) writes:

>   I'd recommend Pegasus Mail & Charon. Pegasus mail runs on PCs (and
>   Macs) attached to Novell networks. It delivers direct to users on the
>   same server and can inform users when new mail arrives. Charon is a
>   gateway which performs the Novell IPX <-> TCP/IP SMTP transport &
>   protocol conversions, it requires a dedicated PC (I use an old 286 with
>   no disk or keyboard to perform this function). It also requires the
>   cooperation of a "smart mailer" to forward mail to the final
>   destination (in my case, one of the campus Unix systems).
>
>   I've been using the system for over a year now with great success and
>   it has proved to be very reliable. Charon can also provide LPR/LPQ
>   facilities enabling print jobs to be transferred between Novell & other
>   systems.
>
>   Pegasus Mail is free, but the author charges for the manuals to support
>   further developments, etc. It is, however, quite easy to run & has
>   built-in help screens. Charon is free & comes with excellent
>   documentation.

Any idea if Charon will work with mail systems OTHER than Pegasus mail,
such as Lotus' cc:Mail?

--
 
Todd Scalzott, Systems Programmer                     todd@kastle.com   
Kastle Development Associates                         ...!uunet!friend!todd
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: (not an) RFC: mailbox format
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:24:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.727914241.1103527590.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: ikkoku-kan.panda.com
To: "Ronald S. Karr" <tron@Veritas.COM>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

The problem with the AT&T/SUN half-assed Content-Length: mbox format
is that it is half-assed.  The *only* advantages of mbox format are:
 1) being able to edit the mailbox with an external text editor
 2) being able to port the mailbox to a system with a different file
    representation (e.g. record-based files, or different newline
    conventions) difficulty.
AT&T/SUN mbox format has destroyed these advantages for very little
gain.

AT&T/SUN format requires a combinination of two delimiter searches and
a count parse/skip.  Because it is done in the originating UA, a
plethora of failure modes are introduced.  Their scheme can't work
unless absolutely every agent in the path is a Unix machine running
their software.

Even more damning, there are other existing and well-understood
formats which offer greater gain at no additional cost.  One is left
with the feeling that AT&T/SUN hired a bunch of kids out of high
school who lacked any real understanding of the issues.

The MIME archives are filled with discussions on how binary data is
represented in mail.  It seems that AT&T/SUN have paid no attention to
this at all.

Perhaps there is a good reason why they ignored cross-platform
interoperability.  If their e-mail infrastructure won't work in a
multi-vendor environment, then you have no choice but to buy all your
equipment from them.

If you are going to go to a count-based format, you might as well use
tenex (mail.txt) format which does it right.  The tenex format has a
number of other advantages over mbox format, including the ability to
use random access I/O to update status (it reserves space for status
flags).

Personally, I've come to believe that a directory-folder (with each
message occupying a single file) format such as mh is probably the
overall best compromise.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4529 news.newusers.questions:6065 alt.internet.access.wanted:1376
From: kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Kohn)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,_swat.comp.unix,news.newusers.questions,alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Q: Commercial usage  of Internet with mail-daemons
Summary: Does anyone use mail-daemons for private, commercial enterprises?
Keywords: Internet,Usenet,commercial,private,mail,daemon
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:56:44 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College


	I have been using Usenet and the Internet for about three years now, 
and have recently come up with an idea for a commercial service to be 
available to Internet users.  In general terms, it would be a mail-daemon that 
would provide a service to users who would include their MasterCard or 
Visa number in the e-mail letter.  I have several questions about access, 
costs, legality, and general netiquette which I hope you can help me answer.  
I would greatly appreciate your assistance.

	First of all, how big is the Internet?  How do you know?  In general 
terms, how many people use e-mail on the Internet and systems connected to it 
(e.g., Compuserve, Bitnet, AppleLink, etc.)?

	What is the procedure to establish a commercial node on the Internet?  
What firms would you recommend?  What costs should I expect to pay?  Are there 
different prices depending on throughput?  Are there any restrictions on 
commercial users of the Internet (e.g., restricted access, no junk e-mail,
etc.)?  Are there other firms using e-mail for commercial activities 
(e.g., mail-order,technical support, etc.)?

	Lastly, how would you recommend that I advertise?  Word of mouth will,
of course, be a major factor.  But can I purchase the Compuserve mailing list?
Would it violate the law or general netiquette to post advertising on Usenet?  
If not, what group(s) would be appropriate.

	It is probably clear from the number of questions above that I do not 
yet have the expertise to start up a mail-daemon service.  I am, in fact, 
planning on bringing in a couple UNIX hackers before I go much further, but 
this information will be very helpful to me in planning my strategy and costs.

	Thank you in advance for taking the time to reply.  Cheers.

Follow-up to:  Please reply by e-mail and I will post a summary of the
replies.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Daniel M. Kohn          "studying" abroad at the   International Students House
Swarthmore College     London School of Economics  10 York Terrace East, Rm. 71
kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu    until March 19, 1993         London  England  NW1 4PT
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc