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From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Somalian security situation
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:43:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500293:000:1737
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 18 18:43:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalian security situation

/* Written  6:24 pm  Aug 18, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "Somalian security situation" ---------- */
From the Dallas Morning News, Aug. 14, by Keith Richburg 

CRITICS ASSAIL WORLD'S NEGLECT OF THE SUFFERING IN SOMALIA
THEY NOTE CONCERN FOR BOSNIA, SEE DOUBLE STANDARD


(The important part of this article, in my opinion, is the following paragraph,
which should help people to understand that food aid can be sent even
though security is not perfect, and that to at least some degree, lack of
security has been used as a pretext for not sending food.)

SAFER THAN BOSNIA
   Mr. Sahnoun [UN special envoy to Somalia] noted in irony how a UN-brokered
ceasefire has generally held in Mogadishu since March, making it safer for
relief operatios than in embattled Bosnia-Herzegovina, where UN peacekeepers
have come under constant attack. *Although Somalia's clans have clashed
frequently, they have nothing like the heavy weapons of the former Yugoslav
army now being used in the Balkans* [emphasis added by dmorse--please
remember that 500 airlifts a week are going to former Yugoslavia, and *none*
into Somalia yet--just the promised one on Aug. 24 and one this week from
France--and remember that the delay in Somalia is supposed to have been
caused by security reasons.]
     "People are really starving and the security conditions are better than
in Yugosalvia," Mr. Sahnoun said.
    Asked about the reason for the discrepancy, he paused and fumbled briefly\
for the correct diplomatic answer.  "Maybe it's because it's in Europe,
I don't know," he said. "Maybe it's their neighbor's problem...And the media."


                           
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Age of Consent
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:03:06 GMT


In article <19920811111211ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack Newsbaum) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug10.151106.13423@fig.citib.com>, on 10 Aug 1992 15:11:06 GMT,
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> >
|> >
|> >In article <archer.313@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
|> >
|> >|> There are no rights in conflict here.  Children are not capable of consent.
|> >|> Pedophelia is an act of coercion, and is not supported under libertarian
|> >|> philosophy.
|> >
|> >How do libertarians define "child"?
|> >
      [..........]
|> 
|> # Children who have not reached maturity need guardians, and that
|> guardianship normally belongs to the parents, and never the state.

Aha!  Define "maturity".

|> # Oppose legally created or sanctioned discrimination or criminal
|> categories against or in favor of children, such as child labor laws,
|> compulsory education, smoking, alcoholic beverage restrictions, and
|> curfew laws.

Including age of consent laws?

|> # Children always have the right to declare themselves emancipated,
|> ending the dependency on their parents or other guardians, and assuming
|> to themselves all the responsibilities of adulthood.

So an emancipated "child" could choose to have a sexual 
relationship with an adult?  

This stuff is not far off of what NAMBLA proposes.  Perhaps
Cr*m*r will now start choose to rave about how libertarians
advocate child molestation?  

Ooops, sorry, they'd have to be *gay* libertarians to catch
his interest.

Thanks for the info.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15267 sci.econ:7044 talk.politics.misc:41248
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: DEMOCRATIC PARTY ATTMPTIND TO RULE THE WORLD
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:39:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug13.031417.27136@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.111508.3681@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dea writes...
>> 
>>ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS IS COMPLETE CONTROL, FIRST IT'S CONGRESS
>>THEN IT'S THE PRESIDENCE,THEN IT'S AMERICA,AND FINALY THE WORLD.
>
>Hey! You know that key of the left side of your keyboard that turnes
>your letters into capitals? Well hit it! 
>	Now the next time you post something, put down something 
>besides dogmatic diatribe with now information to back up your statements.
>
	You've done it now!

	His E-Mail responses to people who don't support his messages are
even less literate (or polite) than his public ones!

	Grit your teeth when you access your mail the next few days, if
you're sensitive about intelligent communications! ;-(

-- 
    rick.adams on GEnie   /|\        You are right from your side,        
     adamsr@netcom.com  /  |  \        And I am right from mine.          
    adamsr@irie.ais.org \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,   
   adamsr@norwich.bitnet  \|/  And a thousand miles behind. (c Bob Dylan) 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: SWAT team kills innocent woman in No-Knock raid.
From: schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:17:23 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas - Space Station Division, Huntington Beach CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <V4sLPB2w165w@eisley.akita.com>, wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood) writes:
> 
>>This situation sounds pretty bad, right?  Well catch this: Larry
>>Pratt, the man they were coming to arrest, was *innocent*!  They
>>dropped all charges shortly afterwards, saying they had received
>>a "bad tip".
>>
>>All charges against the men, including Pratt's husband, later were
>>dropped for lack of evidence.  Witnesses said Larry Pratt was at work
>>at the time of the robbery.  The others also had alibis.

I know I've heard Larry Pratt's name before in connection with some form of
activism.  Was he actively involved in a pro-gun/anti-WoD/jury
nullification/personal liberty-type organization?  If so, the implications are
ominous.  

-- 
Brian Schar   |  schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company, Huntington Beach, CA
Disclaimer:  Any opinions here are mine, not my employer's.  Any facts are in
the public domain.
____________________________
Andre Marrou & Nancy Lord: Vote Libertarian for President & VP in 1992! 

Getting the Power Back to You: Richard Boddie & June Genis--U.S. Senate--CA
Xref: sparky alt.activism:14945 talk.politics.misc:40218
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: My how the wind howls
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:33:50 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug16.110659.23548@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
> First harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) claims:
> 
>>In light of Brett's threats to sue Jym, I would like to state that I
>>would be all too happy to testify that Brett Kottmann's "mailing back
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
> Yet Jim seems content with claiming its:
> 
>>> =o= Brett Wright ("demon@desire") did letterbomb Harel Barzilai 
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Which, rightfully so, sparks a rather nasty reply from Brett Wright:
> 
>>	    J*m, you fucking liar.

	You know, that was reposted with a "kinder and gentler" phrase :). 
Apparently ANU-NEWS repost doesn't cancel older versions like it promises.

> Of course, since Harel et. al. are changing their October Surprise
> theories on a daily basis, its certainly not surprising that they
> can't even get the name of someone who letterbombed Harel straight.
> Who was it? Brett Wright? Brett Kottmann?
> 
> And, if the latter, when can we expect to see a public apology to
> Brett Wright posted by Jim?

:)  It's funny to see how the network of anti-capitalists gets activated in
these scenarios.

	The funniest part is that they are reacting in exactly the same way
that UC did, yet UC is some monolithic monster for siding with the police.

	Hmmmmmm.

Brett                                                      
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: reagan
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:49:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Aug18.142507.19244@bwdls61.bnr.ca> zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca () writes:
>In article <cass8806.233@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>>	i suppose everyone saw the convention last night. i think my blood 
>>pressure rose perceptably. pat buchannan, what a man -- i couldn't have said 
>>anything any more damming about the republican party than what came out of 
>>that mans mouth. whose side is he on anyway? 
>
>He's on the side of those who work for a living. He's NOT on the
>side of the layabouts who prefer government cheques or stealing
>instead of working.

Who are you trying to kid???? During the years that Ronnie
RayGun was guv in CA taxes rose. During the years that RayGun
was pres...taxes rose.....during that time housing prices rose
DRASTICALLY. Along with that we saw the crash in '87....we saw
the slow dissolving of the elctronics industry. New
England...historically hardware development is close to
becoming an agrarian society.  Recommendation: Find someone to
help you deprogram yourself. Then take a good serious look at
what they are doing to you, yours and this country. Ronnie is
no frined to you. You and I are simply disposable numbers on
an accounting sheet. 

Layabouts?!?!?! There are engineers in California who cannot
get a job!!!! Thieves?!?! Stealing food or money to buy food,
which is what this is all about, is thievery but in my
eyes...even if it were to happen to me...a perfectly
explainable and expectable event. Why dont we talk about the
285billion dollars that King George wrote to the Military
Complex instead????? After all we have disarmed unless they
are <GASP> lying to us!!! But the pres wouldn't lie right????
<blah!>...take that figure, chop 50Billion off it, then put it
back into industry....

Len
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Free elections" indeeddir
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:52:45 EST
 <1992Aug17.233941.13499@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> 
 <1992Aug18.020302.3561@desire.wright.edu> <1992Aug18.160641.18431@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.160641.18431@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.020302.3561@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
...
>>> worse acts during the two world wars (rigged elections,mass internment
>>> of Japanese) which were fought on foreign soil.
>>>   what bothers me is that if it was not for the few of us who 
>>> know something about these issues there would be no stopping these
>>> lies. I used to work for a Canadian member of parliament maintaining
>>> a news clippings bulletin on Central America to keep his caucus informed.
>>> It was depressing to see how easily lies are spread and how muzzled the
>>> truth is on Central America. Chomsky seems to have it right and
>>> is a breath of fresh air. Alexander and Leslie Cockburn similarly.
>>
>>	Well, politcal televangelists have their converts.  Are you denying
>>that the Sandanistas killed anyone in the opposition parties in the weeks
>>leading up to the elections?  Arrested none of them?  That Sandanista death
>>squads didn't massacre the teenagers of a village that supported the contras?
>>
> 
> in a word YES these are all LIES! 
> these DID NOT HAPPEN!
> I have had more debates on this issue than you can imagine,several of them
> in official forums and EVERY time I have been able to show that such
> statements are propoganda LIES that can not be backed up. 
> As soon as I say "find some documentation from an unbioused scource"
> Something like the Globe and Mail since we are in Canada here they
> are all humming and hawing.

	Tell you what.  I'll go get my sources, you get yours and we'll compare
notes.

Brett                                                      
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From: hps@castle.ed.ac.uk (H P Shanahan)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Faxing to Somalia --- How ?
Keywords: Africa, E-mail, Somalia, Pressure
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:58:35 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University

O.K. This is probably very stupid of me, but could somebody post an article
on how to send E-mails to the department of State as regards the
situation in Somalia via SUNET ? 
Do you just send the emails to the addresses on this board and SUNET handles
the rest or do I have to post it via some magic address in Sweden or
what ? 

Keep up the good work,

Hugh Shanahan,
Edinburgh,
Scotland.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:19:32 CDT


> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:

> >Supply side economics?
> 
> 	"We reduced tax rates and we increased the tax base. ..
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> We've reduced tax rates and strengthened enforcement, and now we are
> getting more revenue out of lower tax rates."
> 	-President Carlos Salinas, of Mexico
> 	quoted in Forbes magazine, Aug 17, 1992
> 
> The top tax rate was reduced from 60% to 35%. The capital gains tax rate
> in Mexico is currently zero.
> 
> More revenues out of lower tax rates?  Yes, it happens. Believe it.

"and we increased the tax base".

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: "Free elections" indeed
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:27:33 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9208160451.AA04793@poly.math.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
...
> 	In article <36651@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, robarr@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Robert O'Barr) writes: 
> 	> In article <9208080327.AA03687@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes: 
> 	>>On the "free" Nicaraguan elections of 1990: 
> 	>  
> 	> A bunch of crap deleted: 
> 	>  
> 	> The funny thing, Harel, is how fast the Sandinistas and friends 
> 	> changed their tune!!!! 
> 	>  
> 	> The night before the elections, they were bragging about how fair 
> 	> and open the elections were going to be and already celebrating 
> 	> the new legitimacy that the people were going to give them at the 
> 
> To make sure they have a good excuse to continue the war against
> Nicaragua in the even of a Sandinista victory, the advocates of
> Washington's terrorists hedged their bets by going to great lengths to
> find procedural flaws with the elections process.
> 
> The left pointed out that the '90 electoins process, like the '84
> elections process wiped out of Official History by these advocates and
> the Free Press, were proceedurally clean and fair and free elections
> by regional, or international, or any reasonable standards.
> 
> In this technical (though important) sense, the 1990 elections were
> certainly free. Since a gun was pointed at the heads of the Nicaraguan
> voters, however, they were not "free and fair" in any sense meaningful
> to Stalinists and their "convervative" equivalents of the
> O'bar variety.
> 
> Either Robert O'bar is too stupid to understand the difference between
> the two, or else, by ideological necessity, he refuses to allow
> himself to undersand this difference, any more than the Free Press /
> Washington Party Line allow these ideolgues to see that Washington's
> war on Nicaragua, matching the State Department's own defninition of
> "Terrorism" (per reports of the major human rights groups), is, for
> this, and other equally weighty reasons, terrorism
...
	For the 1984 abuses: any America's Watch or Amnesty international. 
Also news reports from the time document:

	Arrest of opposition leaders.
	Violent assualts on opposition rallies.
	Sandanista death squads killing vocal opposition leaders.
	Sandanista take over/shut down of opposition press.
	Revokation of ration cards to opposition members.
	Wide spread round up of potential adversaries, many of whom have never
been seen since.

	Take any ONE of the above, and put it in El Salvador and H*r*l would
howl about unfair elections.

	Apparently things like a free press are only necessary if you already
agree with the government.

Brett                                                      
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:34 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA! New Free Fax Numbers!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500285:cdp:1296500287:000:1561
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 15 10:34:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: SOMALIA! New Free Fax Numbers!

/* Written 10:08 am  Aug 15, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "SOMALIA! New Free Fax Numbers!" ---------- */
In my preceding post, the second paragraph of the sample message should
read:
"Such massive aid must continue without interruption or lessening
until the Somalian population is out of danger."

IDEA:

When faxing to the Clinton Campaign HQ, try directing your fax to the
attention of Tipper Gore.

Implore her as a mother who has held a vigil beside her own child when
his life was in danger, to take special notice of the mothers and children
of Somalia, and not to turn her attention away from them until the danger is
over.

Whatever opinions are about Tipper Gore's anti-rock-lyrics campaign, there
is no question that she is seriously concerned for the welfare of children.

The appeal to Tipper Gore could also be made to Al Gore, who has spoken
about how his priorities changed when his 6-year-old son was hit by
a car. Both parents spent 30 days and nights by the child's bedside.
The boy has now made a good recovery.

Or you could direct the fax to Al and Tipper Gore together, as parents.


Similarly, I believe Hilary Clinton is on the Board of the Children's Defense
Fund.  Ask her to take the children of Somalia under her special notice and
again not to turn her attention away from them until the danger is over.

Thanks.
(Note: obviously, when faxing Hilary Clinton or Tipper Gore, as mothers,
a deeply serious and courteous tone is in order>)

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <Bt4rME.Gou.1@cs.cmu.edu>  garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.232711.3481@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>
> #Hmmm... that's odd. I heard a PRO-CHOICE advocate state that 1% of
> #abortions in the US are in the 3rd trimester. These must be very
> #busy and rich doctors.
>
> That's *less* than 1%.

That's *a lot* less than.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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From: dab@ism.isc.com (David A. Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: SWAT team kills innocent woman in No-Knock raid.
Keywords: SWAT police no-knock raid death
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:52:40 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>There is one person who should not be punished, IMO, and that is the
>SWAT officer who killed the lady.  He, and his fellow officers, went 
>to the house with the information that there was an armed and dangerous
>suspect inside that they were to apprehend.  In such situations the 
>officers are too often in a shoot-or-die situation.

Right.  So teach the bastards that they'll get off scott-free if
they shoot first and ask questions later.  I'm surprised they didn't
kill all the children too, so there wouldn't be witnesses.

No, they must be punished, and punished well, else other cops will
follow suit without fear of reprisal.  If they didn't want to accept
the risks and responsibilities, they shouldn't have become cops.

If the SOB had any honor at all he'd commit hari-kiri and leave
everything he owns to the survivors of the victim.

Instead the government will probably indemnify him and maybe slap
his hand.

Dave
-- 
    They're nasty little creatures and they serve no useful purpose.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
From: pmuk@aim1.aztec.co.za (Pierre Mukheibir)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: TOXIC WASTE SHIPMENTS VIA SOUTH AFRICA
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:58:30 GMT
Organization: Aztec Information Management


      TOXIC WASTE SHIPMENT IN CAPE TOWN HARBOUR
                                                (16/8/92)

Today a group of Earthlife Africa activists from Cape Town
marched to Cape Town Harbour control tower and presented the Port
Captain (Capt Bill Shewell) with a letter conveying our concern
about the presence of a toxic waste shipment in the Cape Town
Harbour.

The MSC MARIA LAURA (flying a Panamanian flag of convenience)
carrying an 18 ton consignment of PCB and Pesticide waste has
docked in Cape Town after previously docking in Durban harbour,
on route to France from Australia.

The 2 main reasons for our concern about this specific shipment
is:

1 - We believe that all hazardous waste should remain and be
managed in its country of origin.

2 - We further believe that this is the first ever violation of
the Basel Convention in that the Western Australian Government
had not given prior notification to the appropriate authorities
in South Africa that transboundary movement of the waste was to
take place.

We therefore demand that the Cape Town Harbour impound the MSC
MARIA LAURA and its cargo and charge the owners and the Western
Australian government with violating South African sovereignty.
We further demand that you remove the hazardous cargo from the
ship and make arrangements through appropriate government
departments to have it shipped back to its port of origin.

We are at present still waiting for a reply to the letter.
-- 
Pierre Mukheibir                     |  If all people thought alike 
Earthlife Africa - Cape Town Branch  |  then none would think at all. 
P.O.Box 176                          |
Observatory                          |
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