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From: C11815@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Josette Giacobbi)
Subject: Re:    Fig trees - when to expect first crop ?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 9 Sep 1992 12:42:04 CDT

Peter, I have fig trees in South Carolina. My trees produce figs before
the leaves show up. We then usually have a late freeze (April) and those
figs fall off and news ones appear.  The figs generally don't really
do anything until we have a lot, lot of rain. Then they swell and get
really sweet. I don't fertilize them at all. Our temp in South Carolina
is in the high 90's in the summer. I don't know how that compares to
yours.  Hope this helps some.   Josette
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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 16:43:03 CET
From: P.Long <PLONG@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject:    Fig trees - when to expect first crop ?

I have two fig trees grown from cuttings which are now in their third year.
Last year there were a few immature fruit, now one of the trees has about 50
fruit which look quite promising.

Is it reasonable to expect them to ripen in the 3rd year and would it be
helpful to prune out the weaker ones to encourage the others.

The climate here in SW Germany is not the best for this Mediterranean fruit
but its been a hot summer...   does anyone have some experiences to share ?

Thanks, Peter

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond)
Subject: Re: naturalism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:07:25 GMT

In article <VSUMMERS.92Sep8083656@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers) writes:
>     I really am interested in such a group.  Yes, there is a group on hamster
>and duct-tape.  
>     My point is that many encouraging and elevating subjects have no group.
>GNUS is not enlightening people on these subjects.  Every perversion under
>the sun has a group.  puke puke puke.  highly intelligent and meaningful
>isn't it?
>     Wildflowers such as goldenrod even are worthy of consideration.  Some
>50 varieties, I believe.  Misunderstood.  People think goldenrod causes hay
>fever, when they would do better blaming the two varieties (at least) of 
>ragweed.
>     The purpose of my previous posting was really to discuss this.  Perhaps
>the others, who disregarded (all but one) the intent of my posting are so
>sensitive out of bad consciences.
>    Plea888888994444
>?
>Vince
>vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu


Look Vince, you ARE NOT GETTING IT. Fine. Discuss fucking goldenrod. There
may be any number of things that would have been interesting to discuss with
you but at this point I hope you get your group so that I can assiduously
avoid it.

If you're going to toss around words like "perversion" and "bad conscience"
I would very carefully look within *yourself*. Anyone with your amount of
unashamed and entirely unconscious nastiness can't be all that in tune with
this "natural world" you so much want to discuss. Nor can you be so
innocently or honestly interested n good conversation if you spread your way
before it with so much crap.

Or do you think conversation, like goldenrod, is best fertilized with a lot
of bullshit?
From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:09:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Propogating Ficus Benjamina
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.gardens

I've propagated ficus by putting cut stems in damp soil. You have to keep the
soil damp of course until the root grow.
From: gene@shallot.ots.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Sensitive plants (fire fern)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:53:20 GMT

I have a plant I was told is called a fire fern. It has red/orange  
leaves a little smaller than a dime and an occasional yellow flower.  
Its about 7 inches tall right now ( I got a 4 inch cutting 5 months ago  
) and has around 50 leaves. It too will close (fold down) its leaves  
when touched anywhere. It also folds its leaves down at night. Its neat  
to touch a stem and watch 2-3 seconds later for leaves on various parts  
of the plant fold down. The leaves are more diamond shaped than heart  
shaped. Anyone know anything about this plant?

Gene Titus
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Natural snail controls
Organization: Just one per day, that's all we ask. - Cal Escargot Growers Assoc.
	<2538@cronos.metaphor.com> <1992Sep14.220813.17062@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.220813.17062@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> 
jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan) writes:
>Does anyone know how to prepare them?  I'd like to know because I have a 
>slug of them.

If you want the official word, UC Berkeley has a note on how to escargot for
a few bucks or so. The best escars are in Calif, of course, that's the Petit
Gris, but the PacNW banana slug is choice also as well as the WA/BC giant brown
slug. This is the basic directions: Catch a lot, put them in a vented bucket
at cool temps in the shade, like outside, with moist cornmeal. They may digest
the cornmeal and fatten up some, but the main thing that happens is that they
are purged and you can observe for diseased or dying ones which can be culled.
After a week, you boils 'em, salt can be used to deslime them if you're not 
the okra/gumbo type, they can be "de-veined" like shrimp if you're not the type 
that eats whole shrimp. That's the basics, I collect Petit Gris every March or 
so, when they are big and healty and numerous. Bon Apetit!
From: C11815@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Josette Giacobbi)
Subject: 6
Organization: Motorola
Date: 9 Sep 1992 12:57:19 CDT

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Xref: schbbs rec.gardens:7921 rec.food.cooking:20095
From: nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.food.cooking
Subject: Re: More (hot) pepper questions
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:57:40 GMT
Organization: NRL

In answer to the couple of recent postings about hot peppers and tomatoes:

1) The latest issue of Organic Gardening (OG) has a recipe for making hot sauce
Tabasco), which can be stored in the refrigerator for a long time.  I just tried
it to use up some of the Thai hot peppers starting to inundate my kitchen, and i
seems to work although I think the number of peppers needs to be increased for
the little varieties like the Thai ones (to improve the texture).  Anyway, if yo
interested I'll email you or post a condensed version (the original text is
rather chatty and too long to type verbatim).

2) I'm not 100% sure, but I think the cracks in the peppers are due either to ex
(e.g., alot of rain) or to uneven watering (like alternating periods of too much
too little rain). I've seen the same thing, too, although the little Thai
peppers tend to burst when they get overwatered.

3) According to several sources (OG, cookbooks, etc.) and my personal experience
it's OK to freeze tomatoes whole if you intend to use them for cooking later. In
fact, they peel (if you insist on doing that) easier when frozen, since that usu
cracks the skin anyway. Just plop into boiling water for a few seconds as usual.
Another tip from OG: if you're making tomato sauce, don't bother peeling them, j
put quartered tomatoes in a food processor and chop to bits.  The peel is small
enough to be unnoticeable in the final product, unless you prefer baby food...

BTW, I just discovered this group, and am wondering if there also is an existing
group (or enough interest in forming one) devoted to organic gardening. Thanks!

                                                                  Judy

Judy, Glad to find another organic gardener our there.  I have been
organic forever, but 18 yrs at my present location in South Carolina.
Anyone else out there???Thanks,    josette
From: ellie@slumber.sybase.com (Ellen Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: naturalism
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:47:42 GMT
Distribution: rec.gardens

I've been reading rec.gardens and sometimes I see tiny
postings and sometimes I see large postings. Sometimes 
they are so beautiful and amazing and funny and sometimes
I think some of these net.people don't get out of their
gardens much. Yet some of them might even be out of their 
trees. Why?

Misunderstood?

How can I read an inhumane, compassionless net.posting and 
call it "naturalism?" Some countless varieties of prejudice.

Puke puke puke.

-ellie
From: karen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Karen Snetselaar)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Raccoons in the Corn!
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:25:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep8.172555.2403
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep8.144452.7665@ryn.mro4.dec.com> fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease) writes:
>
>     Over the weekend a raccoon hit my corn.  At least I *believe* it was a 
>raccoon - many (about 30) ears had the green sheath ripped down, then two or 
>three rows of corn were eaten.  This corn was just about ready to be picked, 
>in fact I was going to pick it this weekend.  The raccoon (is that what it 
>was???) beat me to it.
>
This is definitely the raccoon MO--tear it down 2 days before it is ready
for human consumption.

We have for years used 2 strategies to combat the raccoon decimation of
the sweet corn patch.  One is to plant a whole lot of corn (space is not
a problem) so even if the coons take part of it we still get plenty.  The
second is playing raucous AM rock-and-roll radio all through the night out
in the corn patch when the ears are nearly ripe.  I don't know why this
works, but in Iowa, anyway, raccoons do not like loud music with dinner.

Karen Snetselaar
Department of Plant Pathology
University of Georgia
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Sensitive plants (??)
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: -

In article <b1VV03xt76M=00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, 
karl@uts.amdahl.com (Karl Rowley) writes:
> In article <fR6WbNi@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us 
>(Paul Harvey) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.101438.737@calmasd.prime.com> 
>>jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>>>From Sunset Garden book:
>>>"Mimosa pudica.  Sensitive plant. ...
>>
>>I'm not sure why Sunset gives them the "not sufficiently attractive",
>>although they are not the only ones to slight M. pudica. They are thorny
>>and maybe slightly invasive in the right climate, but I've never seen
>>them get out of control in Florida or Calif.  They are tender perennials
>>so they don't last frost. 
> 
> I've seen them get out of control in this area.  My neighbor has one that
> was severely pruned to an 8 foot high stump about a year ago.  It has now
> grown back to be about 20 feet tall and 20 feet across.  This is a 
> nuisance tree for a small yard once it gets this large, almost as bad as
> some of the mullberries in the area. 
> 

Karl, I think you may be referring to Albizia julibrissin (AKA
mimosa), not mimosa pudica.  It is a fast grower and I could see it
getting out of control.  In Southern California some people talk about
it like it is an exotic tree.  They need a lot of water to look good
here.  In Houston, where I grew up, we considered it a weed tree since
it was messy and short lived and everywhere.

Jim
From: Ecology Center Fund <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: 04 Sep 92 08:59 PDT
Subject: Re: Raising PH - collect rainwater?
Nf-ID: #R:haines.111.715584277@eng2.eng.mo:550586777:cdp:1453300082:000:264
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Sep  4 08:59:00 1992


Rainwater generally has a pH of around 5.5, having dissolved atmospheric
CO2 on its way to the ground, to become a weak solution of carbonic acid.

Agricultural lime may help to neutralize your water, though if it's routinely
around 5.5, I wouldn't bother.

chris

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Sweet Woodruff experience?
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:27:39 GMT

moda@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Margaret Oda [CMCD]) writes:

>The ground cover I came up with is Galium Odoratum (Sweet Woodruff).
>
>Does anyone have experience with this particular ground cover?
>One book (hpbooks) says that it meets all of my requirements 
>listed above, but another source (sunset) says that it needs
>a lot of watering.  Who do I believe?

I have a patch of sweet woodruff.  It is low growing and thrives in
shade.  It needs a fair amount of water.  The parts that don't get it
die in short order.  It is by no means a drought tolerant plant by my
definition of the term - maybe somebody in Virginia would where
drought means 30" precip a year instead of 45.  It is a beautiful
plant with whorled leaves and small white flowers in May covering the
whole patch.  I like it.  It needs watering a couple times a week in
my climate even in the shade.
-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: Doug.Hemken@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Doug Hemken)
Subject: Re: naturalism flames
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:22:12 GMT


Flames belong in email.  Anger is a fine emotion, I'm familiar with it
myself.  But it should be expressed in an appropriate way.  Flames
contravene net etiquette.  Flames belong in email.



-=> Doug Hemken
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond)
Subject: Ponds & White Flies
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:08:15 GMT


Two things:

My one month old 13'x 11' pond got greener and greener, then overnight
cleared up. But now it's getting all this green (algae?) gookie stuff
floating on top and growing like stalagmites from the bottom. Do I just wait
this out too? This seemed to occur suddenly. Is it part of the natural
adaptation?

Secondly, I bought this beautiful plant they said was like a black-eyed
susan, but was a bluish-purple flower with the center being a yellowy-gold.
As we put in into my car they said, oops, it has white flies, and they gave
me some Safer's soap which they said would deal with it.

Well, I am still an extreme novice at this but was even more of one six
weeks ago. Obviously this was a mistake that *they* should have known better
to do, and that *I* now know better. Yesterday I pulled and discarded the
whole plant, called and dealt with them (a reputable place) and asked that
they have someone come out to my house and make sure it hasn't spread (I
kept the plant well apart from everything else), etc.

But is there anything else I should do? I sprayed it with the Safer's before
noting on the bottle that it's toxic to fish, but the fish seem very ok.
There couldn't be any connection between the two problems, could there?

Thanks.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: the significance of scale & why garden
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:14:24 -0500
Followup-To: rec.gardens
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> jacques and i were working our back from bloomington, indiana, to
> columbus, ohio (iu-to-osu), this morning, by back roads, the trip out
> yesterday having involved many wearisome, nearly motionless,
> quarter-hours in road construction on I-70.  the weather was gorgeous,
> the fields were green (ok, a little repetitive: corn, corn, soybeans,
> sorghum, soybeans, corn, soybeans, corn, sorghum,...), it was pleasant
> to drive with little traffic on roads that actually went up and down
> and had serious curves in them, and we were looking for *real tomatoes*.

Of course, a fun game to play on a summer night is to drive with the
windows open and guess the crop from the odor.  That used to be about
all that made the trip from Claremont to Davis CA on I-5 bearable. ;-)
> 
> all this with a calm briskness and a friendly smile.  i remembered
> what i liked about my half-rural childhood, and also why i chose to go
> away and become a member of the cultural elite and terrorize small
> children on public streets.  *ten thousand* plants drowned, and (of
> course) you go on, what else.
> 
> the tomatoes are delicious.  there are not nearly enough of them.  we
> want to make marinara sauce, but we can make only salads, precious
> salads.
> 
> arnold (whose household, like kay klier's, does not entertain
>          those ethylene-pink globes offered in supermarkets)

Continuing on the earlier thread of "why garden", let me pass on a 
family story from 2 weeks ago.  My mother and her brother canned
chili sauce (sweet tomato sauce with celery and onion, served with
roast pork) the day after my uncle's daughter-in-law died of a brain
tumor.  With much trauma in the family, there were Mom and Jim in the
kitchen, using up a bushel of ripe tomatoes "so they won't go to
waste".  Scandalized a few of the people who dropped by with condolences,
but Jimmy, the new widower, and his two young daughters were rather
comforted by this old familiar ritual.  Me?  I went out and weeded
1/2 acre of fall peas.  Hort therapy works.

Kay Klier

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: zbear@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Stewart Kramer)
Subject: Re: cheese in frozen pesto?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:24:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165931.6654@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Sep9.204512.772@calmasd.prime.com>, jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>> |> One final question, is there anybody that reads this news group that
>> |> doesn't grow basil and make pesto?
>
>I grow basil, hate pesto, and give mine away (assuming the whitefly
>doesn't carry it off ahead of harvest).  I'd much sooner have a nice
>alfredo sauce without that stinky basil!  (And I grew up in an
>Italian neighborhood!)          --Kay

Oh, good! Then I can admit that I hate basil, hate olive oil, and dislike most
kinds of cheese, (so I naturally detest pesto).  On the other hand, I have 
grown "Cinnamon Basil" (and my mother grew up in a Jewish/Italian neighborhood).

---
Stewart Kramer
From: Ecology Center Fund <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: 04 Sep 92 15:04 PDT
Subject: Re: Botanical gardens in and around SF
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep4.163607.1671@crd.ge.com:269446460:cdp:1453300083:000:854
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Sep  4 15:04:00 1992


Strybing Arboretum
9th @ Licoln Way
Golden Gate Park
SF
A wonderful collection of plants from around the world, with especially
good selections of magnolias, proteas, and california natives.

UC Berkeley Botanic Garden
Centennial Drive
UC Berkeley Campus
A great academic garden, with California Native section, Chinese Medicinal
herbs, Old and New World Succulents, and a mesoamerican flora garden
in progress (say hi to martin when you visit that part!)

Tilden Botanic Garden
South Park Drive
Tilden Park
Berkeley
The premier collection of California Natives anywhere, IMHO.
South park drive is reachable by continuing past UCB Bot Gdn on
Centennial, which turns into S.Park as you crest the hill.

Filoli
Somewhere in San Mateo (i've never been)
south of SF
A formal garden, most famous for its use as the "eooW-ayy3{{ estate" oops in Dynasty

chris

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Re: Iris - How big?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:32:43 GMT

And while we're asking questions about iris . . . the blooming season
for bearded iris (is that the same as German Iris?) is over much too
soon to suit me.  I've seen some English Iris and Dutch Iris in the
catalogs and am considering adding some to my perennial border, which
if it gets much bigger, is going to be my perennial side-yard.  When
do the English and Dutch Iris bloom?  I'm not fond of the shape of the
Japenese iris, too floppy to suit me.

My perennial border also needs something blooming after the tulips and
before the iris.  Suggestions?  Color doesn't matter, as nothing else
is blooming then for it to clash with.  =-)

Thanks for any and all ideas.
Jan
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Botanical gardens in and around SF
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:18:09 GMT
Organization: -

In article <Bu2Lvw.Esz@news.orst.edu>, 
listona@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Aaron Liston) writes:
> The Berkeley Botanic Garden and the Strybing Arboretum are must
> see gardens..  If you like English style perennial borders the
> Fetzer Winery in Hopland  (2 hrs north of SF) has a wonderful
> one.  We saw it on October 1990 & it was beautiful.
> 
> 
Some others:

Filoli (SP?) in Woodside (about 30 minutes south of S.F.) has
wonderful house and gardens, though I've never toured it.  You need
reservations and they are only open until November 1.  

Sunset Headquarters in Menlo Park (Near Palo Alto) is open for tours
and self-guided tours.  Not a whole lot here that you won't find in
Strybing, but since I practically worship Sunset it is on my must see
list.

The Japanese Garden in Golden Gate park is great but often crowded. 
It also has a lot of fall color.

There is another Japanese Garden in Saratoga that is also well done.
Was the name Hakone?  (I haven't been there in 10 years or so.)

The San Jose Rose Garden is one of the better rose gardens on the west
coast.  Nearby is the Rosecruson (I know I have that spelled wrong,
but can't come up with anything that looks right.) Museum which has
the biggest variety of palms in Northern California (I guess this is
still true.) and a very weird museum.

I've also heard about a Rose Garden in Petaluma that I believe is also
a Nursery.  I don't know the name.

Lots of the wineries in Sonoma and Napa counties also have nice
gardens.  Korbel Champagne Winery in Guerenville has restored the
adjacent garden around the family home and has free tours.  (The
flower border between the winery and parking lot isn't bad either.)

Of course if this is your first time in the bay area the whole place
may look like a garden full of exotic plants.  Years ago on an
interview trip from my home in Texas to San Jose, I remember thinking
that the freeways in San Jose were better landscaped than most of the
parks in Texas.

Jim
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Wildflowers to Naturalism
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Sep11.231518.6133
Distribution: rec.gardens
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <BuFEH7.3xC@well.sf.ca.us> lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond) writes:
>
>I would like to move that Vince Summers be banned from rec.gardens. Is there
>a way to implement this?
>
>A discussion of beauty and growth is not a place where I would ever wish to
>come across his dispicable hatefulness ever again.
>
   Nope, no way to ban him.  I agree with you about his nastiness; I
   gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, but he's clearly wacko
   on certain subjects, and wishes to display his hatefulness.  He states
   that he's signed off gardens, and we can certainly hope so, but
   what do you want to bet he's peeking?  ;)

   His ignorance is appalling, that is certainly true, but that he 
   is too stupid to know how ignorant and small-minded he is is
   even more pitiful.

   Obgardens:  The tithonia is *still* blooming.  Really fantastic
   plant.
   Obnaturalism:  I found a DeKay's snake, or little brown snake,
   _Storeria dekayi_ (at least it was years ago, maybe it's changed?)
   while digging out for a pond.  One of my favorites, I used to
   keep them as a kid.  Eats SNAILS and SLUGS!

   Wayne
From: elefante@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (GUEST Luigi Elefante)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Propagating redwood (sequoia)?
Keywords: redwood, sequoia
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:02:43 GMT

Do anyone know   how propagate redwood?

Thanks in advance for Your attention

Massimo Barontini