Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SAY IT (Re: Clinton by default)
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:40:14 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov5.104603.68199@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
(PAUL N. RITTER) says:
>
>In article <3NOV199208185419@utkvx3.utk.edu>, drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik,  e
>St
>ve) writes:
>>In article <eagle.720761837@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>,                         e
>eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.
>du (Daniel L'Hommedieu) writes...
>>>dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>>>>(someone else said)
>>>Nationwide health care, like welfare, is initally a good idea.  You then
>>>must come up with a way to FAIRLY pay for it.  It's not fair for all us
>>>tax payers to have to pay for somebody else to sit on their fanny, not
>>>working, but riding the government.  Also, put those prisoners to work!
>>
>>All that BC is trying to do is to optimize the 13% of GNP we spend
>>on health care.  He's right in the fact that for what we are spending,
>>we should be getting a hell of a lot more.  We shouldn't have 37
>>million uncovered people.
>>
>>Case:  A guy works for McDonald's...has no health care. Poor guy hasn't
>>been feeling so well lately, and the cut on his thumb he got trying to
>>fix the fryer doesn't seem to be healing.  Doesn't have the money to see
>>a doctor, so he just figures he'll get better.
>>
>>Later on, at a party, his friends notice him going into convulsions and
>>take him to the ER.  Turns out he has a very advanced case of diabetes.
>>
>>Now, for $50, he could have seen a physician that could have told him
>>"you have diabetes, and here is how you need to alter your diet to
>>control it."  But instead, it's going to take $5000 to nurse him back
>>to health, maybe more.  Who pays it?  YOU AND I.  Either through taxes
>>for medicare, or increased costs by the hospital.
>
>    You moron. A hospital CANNOT refuse treatment of a patient just because
>    they can't pay for it. If more people realized this, we wouldn't have
>    nimrods like you voting for Slick Willie.

Why don't you read what was written??  He makes no claim that the guy was
turned away from a hospital.  Instead he notes that he couldn't afford
the 50 bucks for a minor visit to a doctor (who, by the way, can turn patients
away) and instead ends up with an expensive hospital visit, the costs of
which are shifted to the rest of us in one way or another.  By the way, you
would be amazed at the highly innovative ways hospitals can avoid accepting
caring for the uninsured.

>>
>>Case#2: Bush cut the federal subsidy for child immunization.  Any
>>health worker will tell you as far as child immunizations go, a
>>dollar spent today will save $100 tomorrow.
>>
>>This is one of the major reasons our health care costs so much.  BC is
>>just trying to use the concept of an ounce of prevention (the other
>>cause of higher health care is preventive procedures/lawsuits, and
>>requires another type of reform that is much more difficult politically)
>>
>>>More police: you shouldn't need more police at all.  You should just
>>>start enforcing the laws you have.  There are no criminal rights--the
>>
>>Dan, how do you 'enforce' laws without cops?  We went from a one
>>criminal : 3 cops  ratio to  one cop : 3 crimes ratio.  Cops in
>>just about anywhere in the country can do little but clean up and
>>take notes AFTER a crime has been committed.  They can't effectively
>>patrol and prevent.
>>
Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
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