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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:24:00 CST
From:         MEWALKER@MBCF.STJUDE.ORG
Subject:      Re: Storepostings overflow

Like Rosalind Dudden, our library stopped doing searching on MEDLARS several
years ago.  We use DIALOG for searching anything except the exclusive
MEDLARS files (CATLINE, SERLINE,etc.)

Last spring we covered searching for two months for another hospital library
while their librarian recovered from surgery.  They had been using MEDLARS
and charging a flat rate which covered their direct costs.  To our
surprise, we found that we could usually do a DIALOG search less expensively!

I agree with the person who said it's a great database with excellent
indexing and terrible search software.  A big advantage of DIALOG (from
my perspective) is that the bills are comprehensible.  When you have a
lot of searches to charge out, that makes a BIG difference.

If you're suffering from overflows or other MEDLARS aches and pains, try
BRS or DIALOG.  They beat Excedrin!

Mary Edith Walker, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
(mewalker.mbcf.stjude.org)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:36:13 -0700
From:         LEI@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Tuesday Lunch

Did we have a lunch date?  I loved to come, but Vancouver is a bit
too far away.  Thanks for asking.
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From:         HCLADM04@UCONNVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: marketing course

A top-notch instructor is Kaycee Hale, Executive Director of the Fashion
Institute of Design and Merchandising.  Kaycee is also Director of their
Museum and Library.  Kaycee did a full day workshop for the Connecticut
Association of Health Sciences Libraries this past June and covered not
only your professional image, but also goal setting, quality service,
communication skills, marketing, and empowerment.  Those CT librarians
that took the workshop said that it was one of the best workshops they
had ever attended and that Kaycee was "not only interesting, she is
terrific and dynamic."  She has many years of public library experience
so she knows of whence she speaks.  The Fashion Institute is in Los
Angeles.

--
Marion Holena Levine, Associate Director
University of Connecticut Health Center Library
PO Box 4003, Farmington, CT 06034-4003
HCLADM04@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU     203-679-3323
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:53:49 PST
From:         Maggie Freed <mwfreed@HSC.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BIOPHYSICAL JOURNAL - DISKETTE APPENDIX - V 63 N 5

> We received Biophysical Journal V63 N5 yesterday and it included a diskette
> appendix.  I'm curious how other libraries are handling this and comparable
> diskette supplementary materials.  Perhaps you can respond to me and I will
> summarize for the list.  Thanks.
>                                                                         Danny
> =============================================================
> +       Daniel H. Jones
> +       Assistant Library Director for Collection Development
> +       Briscoe Library
> +       University of Texas Health Science Center
> +       7703 Floyd Curl Drive
> +       San Antonio, Texas 78284-7940
> +       Phone:  210-567-2400
> +       Fax:            210-567-2490
> +                       BITNET:  JONES@UTHSCSA
>                         INTERNET:  JONES@UTHSCSA.EDU
> =============================================================
>

There was some previous discussion about this topic.  We put a label on the
issue that there is a disk, and give the call number in our Media collection.
 We set up a binder and put disks in that.  It is shelved in a closed stack
area.

*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
*  Maggie Freed                       213/342-1973 (voice)     *
*  aka Margaret Wineburgh-Freed       213/221-1235 (fax)       *
*  Norris Medical Library             mwfreed@hsc.usc.edu      *
*  University of Southern California                           *
*  2003 Zonal Ave., Los Angeles, CA  90033                     *
*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:26:13 -0500
From:         Marsha Williams <WILLIA97@MMC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: unix and dos

If you are looking for a unix-based integrated library system, CLSI's
Libs100Plus is fully on a unix platform, and I have heard that Geac is too.
How large or small is your "small" library? We have CLSI (version 28, which
is only partially unix) and have 18,000 titles, 1400 patrons online. Does
this fit your size? Call me and I'll be happy to tell you our experiences
(good and bad) with our system.

Meanwhile, "compatibility" can mean a lot of different things. What
specifically did you want from "unix-compatibility" with your hospital
system?

1) Do you want to be able to look at hospital screens? You don't need a
unix system to do that. We can look at our CLSI system from a DEC terminal
or from an IBM-compatible. At the unix end, we had to define the type of
terminal we were using to view the screens so the screen display would be
correct. Once the screen definitions matched, we could view.

2) Do you want to be able to transfer files to and from a unix system? You
don't need unix on your own system to do that either. We transfer ASCII
text files (plain text, no control codes), using Kermit (a free,
file-transfer program), between our IBM-compatible's and our unix
processor.

3) Do you want to be able to RUN unix programs? You WILL need a unix system
for that (and unless you are a C programmer and can modify the program
file, you will probably need the same version of unix on both machines.
Unfortunately, unix comes in several relatively incompatible versions--it
is not truly unified) Then, if you want to run DOS programs too, you will
need the DOS emulator program you were thinking about. And at this point my
knowledge stops. We share data files with our unix system, but we run unix
programs only at the unix processor, using our PC as a dumb terminal.

I hope some of this helps.

*******************************************************************
Marsha Williams                         WILLIA97@MMC.BITNET
Library Automation Coord.               CIS: 72270.13@Compuserv.com
Meharry Medical College                 VOICE:(615) 327-6335
1005 D B Todd Blvd                      FAX:  (615) 327-6448
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:39:38 EST
From:         quinn@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Subject:      Diclaimer

Does anyone have suggestions for a disclaimer for use in a letter
accompanying a literature search ?
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:10:05 EST
From:         Jean Williams Sayre <jws@SCOTTY.NEOUCOM.EDU>
Subject:      Cellular and Molecular Biology

I would like to know how libraries are handling this title now:  evidently
the former editor has "split" with Pergamon and is publishing his own
version of the journal.  It has an identical ISSN number, identical
cover and title--but different contents from the Pergamon journal.

Also, the former editor wants approximately $500.00 for his version
of the journal.  Obviously, the two versions cannot continue.  Which
version will survive?  Is it worth two subscriptions to find out?

Evidently NLM is indexing both versions.  Should be an interesting
story to find out who "wins" this battle.

For those of you who hold subscriptions to Cellular & Molecular Biology--
will you pay both subscription prices?

Jean Sayre
Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
jws@scotty.neoucom.edu
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From:         Laura Larsson <larsson@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Medical spellchecker (and MeSH)

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992, Millard Johnson,PC-D,PSU Portals wrote:

> I have often thought that one of the best things medical librarians (as a
> group) could do for their clients was to create a public domain machine
> readable medical dictionary.  THE MEDICAL LIBRARIANS DICTIONARY.  Even a
> simple word and definition version of the print dictionary would be a boon to
> anyone with a PC -- especially students.  Bu7t one that has some special
> features like hooks and links to MeSH and UMLS (is that still alive?) would be
> better.

I found Millard Johnson's suggestion to be quite interesting.  I've
actually made my own solution to the problem of definitions in the field
of health services research by downloading most of the relevant MeSH terms
and their definitions (and cross references which I've put in the descriptor
field) to a Pro-Cite database which I can use to search for terms or
verify definitions when I'm indexing the materials which go into my Update
in Health Services Research bulletin which some of you might already have
seen.

Nearly every time I do an online search for one of my researchers I move
the citations into a Pro-Cite database and then create an index of the
MeSH terms which I check against my database.  Missing terms are searched
against the MeSH file and added to my SCOPNOTE database.  I've found the
iterative process is really necessary in my field since it's changing so
fast and the researchers have such eclectic research interests.  (It is
distressing tho' to find in some instances no definitions in the MeSH file).
 I also add my own subject headings with definitions where MeSH is lacking
(with the suggested term forwarded to Marj Cahn, Office of Health Services
Research at NLM).

Whenever I update the database I send out a zipped copy of the database
(so it will fit on one disk) to my researchers on a regular routing list
along with the 10 files which go to make up the lists used for the
wonderful feature which Pro-Cite has of enabling the user to mark subject
headings in a list and have the subject headings moved into the descriptor
field.  That way, those who want the database can unzip the files and have
the database on their own computers, and those who just want the terms
with their definitions can just move the files.

Actually it's quite slick.  It cost me about a hundred dollars to download
the 2500 terms since I couldn't pry the info from NLM free of charge, but
the database has really been invaluable to me as a librarian, and to my
researchers.

To make a long story shorter, we surely could make use of MeSH for many
definitions, couldn't we?

I'd be interested in receiving comments or answering questions about my
database if people have them.

Regards,
Laura
larsson@u.washington.edu
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Subject: Re: unix and dos

test
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:40:13 EST
From:         ellen detlefsen <ellen@LIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Medical spellchecker

the Stedman's spellcheck program is WordPerfect compatible and is a
product of WIlliams and Wilkins.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                              Ellen Gay Detlefsen

         Associate Professor, School of Library & Information Science
       Core Faculty, Women's Studies Program, Faculty of Arts & Sciences
    Affiliated Faculty, Section of Medical Informatics, School of Medicine
                 University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh PA 15260
                    phone: 412-624-9444; FAX: 412-624-5231
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:48:26 EST
From:         Micki McIntyre <mcintyre@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Storepostings overflow

All this time we thought it was just us having the store
postings problem.  We also thought that perhaps it was
happening so much in the current med file because it was
so large, but maybe now that it has been slimmed down, the
problem may resolve?  It was especially annoying not to be
able to explode some of the headings (like child) because
it would generate too many postings.
MMc

--
Micki McIntyre      UMDNJ Health Sciences Library
               voice mail - 609-346-6810
               email        - mcintyre@soma.umdnj.edu
               fax        - 609-435-8246
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:43:33 -0500
From:         Mark Funk <Mark_Funk@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Medical spellchecker

Does anyone know of a medical spellchecker that can be used with Microsoft
Word for the Macintosh? I have located a "comprehensive" checker from ALKI
Corporation in Seattle, but that includes medical, law and business terms. I'm
afraid that it will skimp too much on the medical terms, which is what our
students really need. I know there's a Dorlands out for WordPerfect, but
surely there should be something for the most popular Mac word processor.
Since a lot of us have Macs in our libraries, please post responses to the
list. I thank the wisdom of the net in advance. . .

Mark Funk
Cornell Medical Library
Mark_Funk@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU
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Subject: Re: Medical spellchecker
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:47:28 GMT
Organization: Univ of Ala. @ Birmingham

Word for Windows supplemental dictionaries are simply ascii files with
lists of words (one on each line).  Has anyone produced a fairly
comprehensive medical spellchecker supplemental dictionary for WFW?  If so, 
please post it somewhere and let us know where.  Of course, no 
copyright material, please.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:38:26 MET
From:         Fred Melssen <U211610@HNYKUN11.BITNET>
Subject:      Discussion-list for relay-ops

Dear Subscribers,

  Some time ago I heard of a 'closed' discussion-list about relay,
for relay-operators. I tried to find the list's name and address.
Unfortunately I can not find it. Maybe someone of you can help me.
An address of the listowner is welcome too. Thanx!
(I am no operator, maybe some of you want to know, but that is not
relevant to this question)

 Yours,

   Fred Melssen

   University of Nijmegen
   Department of Anthropology
   P.O. Box 9108, 6500 HK Nijmegen
   The Netherlands
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From:         Hans Deckers <DECK@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject:      Info

Where can I find up-to-date information about RELAY?
Hans
From: VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Valdis Kletnieks)
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Subject: Re: Discussion list for relayops
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:35:58 GMT
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:52:15 EST Bob Refeld said:
>   The list you are looking for is RELAY-L at the UTCVM listserv.  Or at
>least it used to be.  Membership is by permission only, so it's really
>beyond me why Valdis and others should consider its location to be some
>sort of big secret.

I'm not considering it a "big secret".  I'm merely trying to point out that
depending on what information he was looking for, there may be better
lists to post to, or individual people to e-mail to.

For instance, depending on what the questions are, I might be easily able
to just tell him "We discussed that before, and the answer was XYZ" and
not have to bother the list with it.  Or if it's a technical question,
it should probably be addressed to me directly, etc etc etc.

/Valdis
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:20:47 MET
From:         Fred Melssen <U211610@HNYKUN11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: relay-l

Dear Subscribers,

  Yes Geraldine, you are right. But the essay I have is written for
operators. And I do not want to annoy others with it when there is
a list for operators. But -regarding the answers I have received
the last two days- I will give this list the opportunity to start
a discussion about some topics I discuss in my paper. I will put
some of my thoughts on 'paper' and send it in a few weeks to this
list. ..it is all very interesting.

 Yours,

   Fred Melssen
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:12:00 CST
From:         Tim Mikiten <TM04708@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Goodbye, cruel world.

I am not sure if this is the correct place, but I'd like to tell all my
relay friends, Goodbye, for now..

I am returning to Houston for at least a semester hiatus. So I will be away
from Bitnet for a while, and consequently Relay. :(

It has been fun. I will miss you all.

-TBP (The Backstage Prankster) [Longtime Relay User]

ps. Please delete me from the master Relay Users Forum List.

pps. My land address if anyone should miss me too much:
        Tim Mikiten
        12211 Seashore
        Houston, Tx 77072
        USA
*Hug*
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:56:58 EST
From:         "Eric S. Klein" <ESKCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Info

Nancy Frankel has passed away this year
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:47:00 CST
From:         Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Info

Hans asks:
>Where can I find up-to-date information about RELAY?

Issue the /rules command just like you would any other
/ command in relay to have the rules file sent to you.
Betty (Psyche, Aggieland RelayOp)
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:34:36 MET
From:         Fred Melssen <U211610@HNYKUN11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Discussion-list for relay-ops
              16 Dec 1992 11:39:26 EST from <VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

+Actually, it *is*  relevant to the question. Why are  you trying to find
+a closed  list for relay  ops when  you're not a  relay op? If  you have
+something important to  pass along to the op community,  let me know and
+I'll forward it to the list.

As I have written in my mail to Valdis yesterday: I have written a paper
for the relay-operators. In it I hope to start a discussion between the
operators about some important questions and characteristics of relay.
I will mail the paper in January to Valdis, who will forward it to the
list. About the relevance of being an 'op' I can say that sometimes a
closed list is open for contributions from non-subscribers. When this
is the case, the list will appear in the 'list global' reviews. I found
the list's name a year ago this way (forgot it, and now can't find it
again). But - with thanks to some 'ops'- I can now reach this list.

Yours,

  Fred Melssen

  Department of Anthropology
  University of Nijmegen
  the Netherlands
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:03:28 CST
From:         Wendy Graham OP19 <OP19@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Info

Hans,
When you sign up with relay, it sends you information about it.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:42:34 -0800
From:         Matthias Pohl <MTP@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Discussion-list for relay-ops

>Dear Subscribers,

>  Some time ago I heard of a 'closed' discussion-list about relay,
>for relay-operators. I tried to find the list's name and address.
>Unfortunately I can not find it. Maybe someone of you can help me.
>An address of the listowner is welcome too. Thanx!
>(I am no operator, maybe some of you want to know, but that is not
>relevant to this question)

> Yours,

>   Fred Melssen

>   University of Nijmegen
>   Department of Anthropology
>   P.O. Box 9108, 6500 HK Nijmegen


...uhmmmmmm :)...maybe the reason you cant find the lists adress and name is
because it is closed...ever considered that possibility ?:)...

....just a thought :)
/Matthias
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:40:37 NFT
From:         Hans Deckers <DECK@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Info

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:03:28 CST Wendy Graham OP19 said:
>
>Hans,
>When you sign up with relay, it sends you information about it.

My relay situation from here looks a little unfortunate:
the information about which RELAY is serving FRORS12 here
is a little confusing to say the least. (See attached log.)

It turns out finally that the relay I am 'serviced' by is
RELAY at FRECP11 (ECP Goret). I never saw it linked
anywhere, so I am always the only user :-(

At the /RULES command it responds: Relay rules * not available.

Regards, Hans

----------------------------------------------------
From  RELAY at DEARN: * Node FRORS12 is serviced by:
From  RELAY at DEARN: * RELAY at FRESTP11 (ETPParis) (primary)
From  RELAY at DEARN: * RELAY at FRECP12 (ECP-Paris) (secondary)
To   RELAY at FRESTP11: /signon
From RELAY at FRESTP11: * To use Relay, please /REGISTER <your full name>
To   RELAY at FRESTP11: /signon
From RELAY at FRESTP11: * To use Relay, please /REGISTER <your full name>
To   RELAY at FRESTP11: /register Hans Deckers
From RELAY at FRESTP11: * Node FRORS12 is serviced by:
From RELAY at FRESTP11: * RELAY at FRHEC11 (France)
From RELAY at FRESTP11: * RELAY at FRECP11 (Centrale)
To   LISTSERV at FRHEC11: /register Hans Deckers
To   RELAY at FRHEC11: /register Hans Deckers
To   RELAY at FRECP11: /register Hans Deckers
To   RELAY at BEARN: /register hans Deckers
From RELAY at BEARN: * Node FRORS12 is serviced by:
From RELAY at BEARN: * RELAY at FRESTP11 (ETPParis)
From RELAY at BEARN: * RELAY at FRECP12 (ECP-Paris)
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