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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sports.triathlon
Subject: Re: Need a Unix-based Running Log
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:04:34 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Originator: stgprao@xing

Why not a standard database or spreadsheet?
From your requirements, it sounded like you wanted to do some calculations
between various data fields.  Most DBs allow this, but at the fexibility
of spreadsheets.  Spreadsheets have DB capabilities, but not as nice as
a true DB.  Probably whichever you can get your hands on is what you could use.
From: ron@voskhod.mit.edu (Rocket Ron Spangler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Boston Marathon ?'s
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:18:10 GMT
Reply-To: ron@voskhod.mit.edu (Rocket Ron Spangler)
Organization: M.I.T.

I am planning to run my first marathon in a couple of weeks here in
Boston.  (Without a number, of course.)  Is there anyone out there who's
done it before 
who can give me some general information?  Like how much of a zoo is it
getting from Boston to Hopkinton on race morning?  I've heard the BAA
runs buses, but I don't have a number, so...   Is it likely to be
gridlock?  How early should one get there?

Another question - what kind of fluids do they provide at the water
stops?  (I can't drink Gatorade - I get sick at about 15 miles if I
do.)

I hope there's a lot of experience out there.  Thanks.

  

Ron Spangler
From: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Training questions.
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:15:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center



	I guess I should start off by introducing myself.  My name is Matt
and I am a college freshman interested into getting back into running.
I was a very intense runner during high school, but have not run any
for about a year now.  I am always interested in new training ideas and such
for this summer.  I would like to become competitive again for the winter/fall
seasons of track here at college.
	To help you, let me tell you more about myself.  I ran mostly distance
races in high school but never felt that was my true strong point.  I never
seemed to get any faster in the distance runs after the beginning of my 
Junior year in high school.  My performances were as follows, 3200 - 10:20,
1600 - 4:27, 800 - 1:57, 400 - 52.0, 200 - 24.1  .   I also ran X-country
in school and stalled out after my sophmore and junior year and never seemed
to improve upon my times.  I basically feel that I would like to run the
800 and possibly try the 400 or 1600 at the college level.  My high school
training was quite intense and I did everything I could to work on getting
faster.  I really hate to lose and I know I can go faster than what I have
in the past, but that ever so common wall has befallen me.
	So I guess my question is, What training would be the best to do
this summer.  I have always thought that it is most important to build a
very good base first which means doing a lot of long runs.  But how much
should I concentrate on base work and when and how much should I be
doing sprint work?  I never really did much actual sprint work for track 
until the near end of the season came around and so I felt I have never
learned my potential at the sprint races.  Most of the season was mixed
with long runs and fart licks.  During the off season I tried to run about
45-50 miles a week.  How quickly could I work up to this level again without
encorporating burnout of fatigue upon myself.  I have started running 
again for a month now and have found myself experiencing some of these
symptoms.  My main goal is to train hard this summer and spring and
be able to run a 1:54 half mile.  Should I concentrate upon the distance
base or sprint work to accomplish this goal and/or how much of each?
	
				Thanks,
				Matt
From: minow@ranger.enet.dec.com (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s: Get the facts first
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:33:37 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Re: various...

To repeat what several have said, the Boston organizers understand that
up to half of the pack will be unregistered. This is, in some ways, the
prime reason for easing the qualifying standards over the last few years.
The rule-of-thumb went "6,000 registered, 6,000 unregistered, two candy
bars = 24,000 candy bars."

Once the race reaches Framingham (5 miles), it is on wide streets for
the entire route, so the unregisterd runners aren't in the way.

re: the complaint about the Olympic coverage: Tony Revis is a Boston-based
journalist. In addition to his ESPN coverage, he has a weekly radio show
about running. He also wrote an excellent article on the Trials marathon
for the Boston Globe.

re: the lack of attention to women runners: this year's Boston Marathon
program features "20 years of women" marathons, including interviews with
many of the early women marathoners. (This is the 20th anniversary
of the first official women's division at Boston.)  The Boston Globe
had a long article a few years ago on Sara Mae Berman, who won Boston
three years in a row -- unfortunately before women were officially
recognized.  If your local newspaper isn't covering women, fix it.

TV coverage is, in large part, based on weather and the projected
audience. If the weather is too bad for the helicopters, look for lots
of fluff. If it's good, Boston should show a lot of the field.

This year should see a fairly interesting field; Boston is part of the
selection process for several countries, including Kenya (Hussein),
Tanzania (Ikangaa), and Finland. You should also watch for a battle
between the Mexicans (Andres Espinosa, 2nd at New York after Salvador
Garcia) and the Africans.

The women's field includes both Wanda Panfil and Uta Pippig, as well
as Midde Hamrin and Olga Markova.

The wheelchair men's field includes Neitlispach and Knaub, while the
wheelchair women include Driscoll, Cody-Morris, and Hansen.

Martin Minow
minow@ranger.enet.dec.com
From: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: trial!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:55:23 GMT
Distribution: in
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Originator: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu

Sorry!
From: celett01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Help: Interested beginner
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:18:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I am really, really new to this newsgroup and to the sport of running in
general,  I'm interested (since this is the place of running-gurus) in getting
some info... I'm rather heavy in build, (I've lifted weights since high school 
and have had a past medical history of Asthma, I'm interested in going into an 
Armed Services which means lots of running and since the choice is up to me I'd 
rather learn running on my own and not whilst someone is yelling at me ... so
my biggest questions to all of you Rec.Running people is...
 1. What kind of running shoe do you recommend for people over 200lbs?
 or does it even matter?
 2. What is better running at a track, paved running trails or running cross-
 country?
 3. I have been doing Half-miles in order to get my body aquainted with the
 motions, is it simply up to individual as to when to step up or is there a 
 written plan out there somewhere?
 4. The past Asthma thing seems to make my lungs tire during running even
though my legs could do more...I don't go into attacks or anything like that, 
I'm just wondering if anybody else out there is or has experienced the same or 
similiar things. 
                                  --Thanks in advance
                                  --C. Letterman
                                  --University of Louisville
                                  --Computing and Telecommunications
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Question on running with hand weights
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:09:44 GMT

I don't recommend running with hand weights.  If you want upper (and lower)
body strength, go to the gym and lift weights.  Use the heaviest weights you
can handle for 8-10 reps per exercise.  I lift about twice a week.

I have been running and doing triathlons for 6 years, and have been
lifting weights for 17 months.  Since I started lifting, I have gained
5 lbs. and 1/4 inch on my arms.  (I am 6'0.5", 160-165 lbs, 36, male).
I am also running faster, in spite of reducing my mileage from 25-30
per week 2 years ago to 15 per week now.  i.e.

		1989, 25-30/week	Now, 15/week + weights
		----------------	----------------------
400m		67			64
10K		42:00			39:38
Marathon	3:43			3:30
Ironman		14:42			13:22

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mbb7582@summa.tamu.edu (DEmon, CEO of Hell.)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: New Keeper of the faq.
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:47:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am no longer the "Keeper of the faq."  Dave Shaver 
(shaver@orion.convex.com) has agreed to take over the
faq and address lists for me.  I will be making a final
posting of the address list this Sunday (April 19) and
then Dave will take over the next week with the faq.
My thanks to Dave and everyone else who offerred to take
the faq.  I've enjoyed keeping it, and I'm going to miss
rec.kites this summer.  Good luck, good winds, and may
the Weather Wench smile upon thee.
	MikeBarrett.
From: stiles@quik.clearpoint.com
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: high efficiency four line kites
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: stiles@quik.clearpoint.com
Distribution: rec.kites
Organization: /usr4/stiles/.organization

I would like people's recommendations for a four line kite that is:

1) highly efficient - that is it will fly at a very high angle of attack (that
is to say, as nearly overhead and as little downwind as possible)

2) maneuverable

3) controllable (I am a beginner)

Recommendations anyone?

   Jim
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: case@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Meyer)
Subject: RE: Life of Kevlar
Keywords: wax!
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:56:53 GMT

The only thing that I can say about Kevlar is: USE SPECTRA LINES!!!
From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Rev II and making it lighter
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:20:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.12587
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

Mike Gebis asks:

> Question:  Has anybody re-sparred a REV II to make it fly in light winds?  
>	   I've had a couple of ideas.
>		1)  Just replace the down-spars (the two short ones.)  From
>		the looks of the kite, these spars are probably already 
>		stronger than they need to be (they're so short), and this
>		modification would make the kite lighter but still able to 
>		withstand pretty high level winds.
>		2)  Respar the whole thing.   This would save more weight, but
>		would require lower winds.

Mike, here in Portland, Or. there's a flyer by the name of David Brittain
who flys for Revolution.  He's not merely good, he's incredible.  He has
rigged several Rev I's and  Rev II's for ultra-ultra-light.  He claims his
favorite flying is indoors (like in a Gymnasium).  He has removed the harness
from the Revs, and attaches directly to the vertical spars (this is only for
ultra-ultra-light flying), and has replaced the spars with 2 wrap and even 1
wrap spars from Revolution (apparently Revolution is comming out with a 2
wrap spar set for the Rev II, and I am going to get one as soon as its out
(or buy sufficient Rev I 2-wrap spars and cut them down if necessary)).  He
flies 25 foot, 50 pound lines attached to the ultra-light handles.  He has
also removed all clips from the system.

It's incredible.  He flies 360 degree 3-D.  He pull the kite in, catches it
and throws it back out like a yo-yo.  He's the only person I've ever seen pull
the Rev II in from horizontal for a catch, rather than the normal Lee Attwater
move of pulling it straight down.  His control is magnificent (he even flies
behind his back) and his catches (eg: behind the back with a twist, bounced
off his foot, under the leg, etc) are fantastic.  He's also very friendly, and
very supportive of other flyers.  By the way his control with Rev I's is also
incredible.  I've seen him balance any one of his stack of 6 Rev I's on
someones hand; I've also seen him fly a 360 with that stack of 6.  He's also
down at Delta Park in Portland every weekend, so if you don't believe me,
come and watch him yourself (it might be worth the trip).

He is an official representative for Revolution (flying is his life), so if
you want to give him a call, his number is

		David Brittain
		(503) 234-4766

He can answer any question you have on Revolution.  He's also an excellent 
source for factory second spars (these spars have aesthetic blemishes, not
structural flaws).

				Good Winds,

				Dave Butler

    Remember: Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life.
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: Rev II and making it lighter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:25:41 GMT

I asked this question earlier, in a batch question, and got no response...
I think I'll ask again before I start trying stuff blindly.

Question:  Has anybody re-sparred a REV II to make it fly in light winds?  I've
	   had a couple of ideas.
		1)  Just replace the down-spars (the two short ones.)  From
		the looks of the kite, these spars are probably already 
		stronger than they need to be (they're so short), and this
		modification would make the kite lighter but still able to 
		withstand pretty high level winds.
		2)  Respar the whole thing.   This would save more weight, but
		would require lower winds.
By the way, the whole point of this is for me to avoid buying a REV I, so if
I don't want to spend much on this.
So, is this a good idea?  Is there something I'm forgetting?  Anybody done this?
Thanks.
(By the way, I realize that the rev already has graphite, and the kite is
pretty darn light already..I just want it lighter STILL)

Mike Gebis  mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc  OR  m-gebis@uiuc.edu
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Bee's Wax?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:58:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


>Kevlar can be made to last longer by waxing, and this provides a minor 
>degree of lubrication. Just keep in mind that kevlar seems to be heat-
>sensitive.

>Take a block of bee's wax (or petroleum wax used for canning fruits and 
>veggies) and rub all along the line.


Hey wait a second! I don't know about "bee's wax". Since you use bee's wax
on bridle lines to prevent slipage, it would seem that using bee's wax would 
only cause the lines to stick together, not lubricate them. Perhaps candle
wax is what you meant. It is a lot more slippery than bee's wax.
 


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan A Dawson)
Subject: How do you fix broken Spectra?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:33:16 GMT

Hi, I have just a quick question:  What is the best method/knot to fix
a break in the middle (almost perfectly in the middle) of a piece of
spectra line?

I was flying my Speedwing on BRAND NEW Spectra when I STUPIDLY dropped
one of the handles.  The kite kept twirling around itself (since I wasn't
about to let go of the one handle I had) and I was trying to run forward 
to keep the thing from slamming into the ground too hard, but my sister
managed to run forward and get the other handle.  She came running back
to me with it and SNAP!!!  I forgot that the multiple wraps would be all
in one location on the line that I still had, and they cut right through.

I tried a few knots after that, and they all pulled out except for the
overhand knot (which I made in desperation) which broke at the knot as
I thought it might.  Anyway, I'm using 80lb Spiderline, and am VERY open
to suggestions concerning how to fix a piece of line with less than an
hour on it.

Oh yeah, I know that the knot will always catch the twists in the line,
but since it's in the middle, I can make sure that that is not a problem.

Thanks and enjoy the wind,
Jonathan Dawson
jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: spider mites, etc.
Keywords: wax!
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:58:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <16APR199207334014@zeus.tamu.edu> jwm6838@zeus.tamu.edu (JAMES WESLEY MCKEAND) writes:

[spiderline]
>This 25# line was waxed. >>it also looked like dental floss! :-) << 

Yeah, it's pretty scary stuff.  I've recently started using the 45# spiderline
for my phantom and for ultralighting a flexi.  On the plus side, this line
feels like it doesn't exist.  There's simply no sag in the lines no matter
how light the wind.  You feel like you have a direct hookup with the kite.
On the negative side is the fact that the line is twisted, not braided.  You
can feel each 'n every twist you put between the lines.  I wouldn't 
recommend trying any wraps with other team flyers on this light stuff!  ;-)

The other big advantage to these light lines from Catch the Wind is that
they're _cheap_.  The 25# is $5 with sleeving kit and winder and the the
45# is $8 or $9 with sleeving kit.  They also come with a winder (though
the winders are annoying 'cause they take in very little line with each
wrap).

>Also, has anyone flown the Spider-mite?  Catch-the-Wind describes it as a 
>``variable aspect kite'', any input?

The spider-mite is fun; I know a couple of folks who have 'em.  They 
want a good bit of wind, as you might expect from their size.  It's
neat to watch them flex.  I've played around with my skychaser, trying
various things to give it a variable aspect ratio, and it's kind of fun.  I've
also been known to fly a 6' flexifoil with the spar seperated at the center.
Now _that_'s WEIRD.  <grin>

Does the variable aspect ratio help?  Well, maybe.  It certainly allows the
kite to dump as much air as necessary and it radically changes the nature of
turns.  But would it be viable on a full-sized kite?  Something to play with
when I have some fabric to burn, I suppose...

Jeff
From: lucifer@ut-emx.uucp (Light Bearer)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: rec.kites archive?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:22:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <shaver.702080090@convex.convex.com> shaver@convex.com (Dave Shaver) writes:
>Does anyone have an archive of rec.kites?  FTP'able would be wonderful,
>but I'll accept anything you might have.  I'm especially interested in
>stunt kite information.
>
>Thanks.
>
>/\  Dave Shaver
>\\  CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX
>\/  Internet: shaver@convex.com    UUCP:  uunet!convex!shaver

Yes! Please let me know too! My dad just openned up a Kite retail
section in his Scuba retail store in Albuquerque (Kite Fligts Unlimited),
and I have now become totally addicted to stunt kite flying (much to the 
distress of my dissertaion advisor :). I am a sponge for any and all
information I can get on the subject!

In fact, is there a FAQ sheet for this news group?

BTW - I was delighted to see this news group... I love the internet!

Thanks,

Dean Hines 
Astronomy Department, University of Texas at Austin
dhines@pan.as.utexas.edu
dhines@astro.as.utexas.edu
lucifer@emx.utexas.edu
From: sl3vx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: TEAM HIGH FLY for sale.
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr8.102918.54292
Organization: Utah State University


	I'm wanting to sell my Team High Fly w/easton rods.  The sail is brand
new and the rods are in good shape, the kite is one of the best on the market.
The sail combination is purple-yellow-white-black, the colors are very stunning
and the kite soars like very few.  The lines(spider) are 100' x 150lb with sky
claw handles.  I'm asking $200 for the set up, or OBO.

Send your bid to my EMAIL
Greg Nichols
From: mkb@frc.ri.cmu.edu (Mike Blackwell)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: High flying
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:36:12 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Blackwell@cs.ri.cmu.edu
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

Be sure to check out the cover story of this week's Science News to find out what
Bill Tyrrell and company have been up to (really up!). So how long does it take to
wind in 6 km of kevlar line?
From: jwm6838@zeus.tamu.edu (JAMES WESLEY MCKEAND)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: RE: Life of Kevlar
Summary: How to preserve kevlar
Keywords: wax!
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:33:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <kite.904.0@busadm1.cba.hawaii.edu>, kite@busadm1.cba.hawaii.edu (Ben Nagata) writes...
>Hi,
> 
>Kevlar can be made to last longer by waxing, and this provides a minor 
>degree of lubrication. Just keep in mind that kevlar seems to be heat-
>sensitive.
> 
>Take a block of bee's wax (or petroleum wax used for canning fruits and 
>veggies) and rub all along the line. ...

I have a question:  Would this process help spectra lines?  I have recently
purchased a Spider-mite (havn't flown it yet) and it came with 25# Spider-line.
This 25# line was waxed. >>it also looked like dental floss! :-) << 

Also, has anyone flown the Spider-mite?  Catch-the-Wind describes it as a 
``variable aspect kite'', any input?

James McKeand
Texas A&M University

Phone:	(409) 268-1022

Home Address:	1824 Wilde Oak Cir. #21
		Bryan, Texas 77802

Email:	jwm6838@zeus.tamu.edu
or	jwm6838@tamsumma

Saying:	I'd rather be out flying a kite!
From: sasaki@sasaki.zko.dec.com (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: high efficiency four line kites
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:01:43 GMT
Reply-To: sasaki@tle.enet.dec.com
Distribution: rec.kites
Organization: Digital Equipment Co.


In article <STILES.92Apr16075932@quik.clearpoint.com>, stiles@quik.clearpoint.com writes:
|>I would like people's recommendations for a four line kite that is:

There are 6 quad line kites on the market currently:
	1. Revolution I
	2. Revolution II
	3. Peter Powell Double Diamond
	4. Peter Powell Omni-Quad
	5. Tetrad
	6. Quadrafoil

|>1) highly efficient - that is it will fly at a very high angle of attack (that
|>is to say, as nearly overhead and as little downwind as possible)

Two points here:
	First, nearly overhead requires that a kite fly at a low angle
	of attack The angle attack is the angle between the flow of
	air and the camber line of the surface/airfoil of the kite. A
	kite directly down wind that is perpendicular to the ground
	will have the highest possible angle of attack of 90 degrees.

	Second, since your second and third criteria (maneuverability
	and control) seem to imply a stunt kite, why doi you want one
	that will fly directly overhead? Most stunt kites are flown
	closer to the ground, in fact, flying close to the ground is a
	lot more fun and challenging than flying up high.

Possibly you are seeking a different type of kite than a 4 line stunt
kite?  Quad line stunt kites are usually judged on other flying
characteristics than efficiency.
--
Marty Sasaki                            sasaki@tle.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Co.                   Sasaki Kite Fabrications
110 Spit Brook Road ZK02-3/N30          26 Green Street
Nashua, NH 03062                        Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
603-881-0151                            617-522-8546