HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Survey Article of Chinese Economy
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:58:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.014138.14992@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>In article <9212101713.AA01496@thames.bu.edu> >lix@crsa.bu.edu writes:
>
>>A netter once active on SCC, China-net, and SUMFN champaign, was accused
>>by some unknown person(s) on these nets, as being CCP spy. His office was
>>raided by security people on July 31, 1992. All his email files on SUMFN
>>were confiscated.
>>
>>After 4 months' investigation, now his spy suspect was cleaned. However,
>>Government still decided that he was guilty of misuse of Government's
>>property (email/network). His job in an Government agency is still 
>>suspending.
>>
>> ...... stuff deleted
>>
>>Shame on you, small report maker(s)!!!
>>
>
>I knew 2 previous incidences in which netters and their posting sites
>were investigated by the Secret Service because their postings
>contained threatening words to the US president (Bush in particular).
>I can more or less understand that from the standpoint of the Secret
>Service as precautionary meatures for the safety of the president.
>However, from the posting I saw, it seemed clear that the poster did
>not really mean to put his words into action as to physically harm the
>president.  I wonder whether the net is being monitored (that requires
>a lot of manpower) or some small reports were delivered.
>
>However, the above story given by lix is really uncalled for and
>scaring, if it happened exactly as told, because it can happen to
>others too.
>
I remembered vaguely read from somewhere that U.S. screte service are capable 
monitor electronic
signals all over the world, all of them! They scan through all man-sent
e-signals with super computer, looking for key words,( assumeing missles,
launch,
kill, spy, assasin, etc), then fine tune to exame if found those key words.
another thing I found in U.S., the government hands are not as we perceived
when we were in China that less intrusive than the Chinese government. The
way U.S. government monitor and control it's citizen only different in method,
not in nature. U.S. government normally use monitoring, and indirect 
control or gave hardship to those it does not like through means like
excessive taxation, fine, scandal, etc, unless you clearly break the law. It 
is a complicated world!
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Question about being adopted by an American Family
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:56:02 -0500
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dtcc.edu

My friend wants to know what benefit he will have after being adopted by
an American family.

He is now a poor F-1 student fighting for survival.

--wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Another fun problem
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:13:52 GMT

In article <BzEy8M.3z8@cs.psu.edu> wang@math.psu.edu writes:
>
>Wanna win some big money?  Everybody does.
>
>Now I'm offering a game.  The rule is the following:  Let's flip a fair
>coin.  If the result is heads, then I pay you $1; if it's tails, flip
>again.  In general, keep flipping until the first heads appears.  If
>heads appears at the first toss, like I said above, I'll pay you $1; if
>heads appears at the second toss, i.e. the results of two tosses are
>T-H, I'll pay you $2; if heads appears at the third toss (T-T-H), I'll
>pay you $4; if T-T-T-H, I'll pay you $8; and so on, every additional
>toss and the amount I pay you is doubled.
>
>Since the game always ends up with that I pay you some money,
>as the host, I charge you $10 for playing the game.
>
>Now would you like to play the game?

Yes, because the expected value is infinity. But the catch is that I
should have a large amount of money to be prepared.:-)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32567 soc.culture.hongkong:16239 soc.culture.taiwan:16142
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: re math problem
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:54:27 GMT

In article <00964FB1.B0093EC0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>I was a little surprised by the previous several answers given by other
>netters, because it was simply NOT TRUE.  Although I sent my answer to the
>original poster just after he posted, I feel I must post here again.
>
>y**n+ y**(n-1)+...+1 = (1-y**n)/(1-y)
                              ^This should be (n+1)

>So the original equation becomes:
>(a+1)y**n = ay**(n+1) +1

	The small error above is corrected here, but look, by multiplying
	(1-y) on both side, you just introduced one extra solution: y=1.

>The intersections of LHS curve and RHS curve are solutions.
>at either y=0 or y=infinity, LHS<RHS
>so if there is intersection, there must be EVEN number's intersections.
>so the claim of UNIQUE solution is not true.

	Incorrect conclusion.  Even if there were always an EVEN number of
	intersections, that would be somehow a confirm (not sufficient to
	be a proof) of the original conjecture: a unique real root plus
	y=1 makes two roots --- an even number of roots.  And there is
	always the case that the two curves are tangent to each other.
	So this method actually doesn't show any desired result.

	I think there is already a correct proof posted in the net, though
	I don't remember who did it; so sorry for just nit-picking while
	not providing a solution of myself.

>
>W. Huang --- former provincial math contest No.1
>

F. Wang --- former . . .  Well, forget it, we are more likely to make
mistakes exactly because we are good mathematicians.
From: yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:00:15 GMT
Reply-To: yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <50S=k-B@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>
>Who posted the original article?  This is the most stupid thread I have ever
>see in USENET.  It is like asking "IS WHITE AMERICAN BRITISH"? or "IS WHITE
>CANADIAN BRITISH"?
>
>How stupid.  Another bitching thread from the pro-CCPers, I guess...
>

Probably Mr. Pang's words is most suitable for his own poster: "This
is the most stupid thread I have ever see(n) in USENET". To us, all
once lived under CCP, this poster looks so familiar and so disgusting.
We all know that during certain period in the history of PRC, if 
someone try to argue or just make a friendly suggestion, CCP just
give you a big hat called "anti-revolution". By this point Mr. Pang 
is 100% qualified for CCPer if he was not before.

The issue is not as simple as Mr. Pang thinks. Canada and USA are two 
existing countries while Taiwan's official name is Republic of China.
Till now the discuss in this issue is constructive in my view. 
At least we understand each other better now than before. We should 
respect each other's political view although we don't agree with 
each other. Discuss and threat is totally different things. If you 
don't let people express their personal view, that's the real threat.

-Guo-Xiang
>
>- Louis Pang 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: re miss.gif
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:33:17 GMT

If she is acttress, she is just "wanr2 tian1 zhen1" and her shirt is absolutely
enticing; if she is an young student, she is really lovely.       W. Huang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33182 soc.culture.hongkong:16519 talk.politics.china:3489
From: jltsuei@athena.mit.edu (Jennifer L Tsuei)
Subject: Another publication about Chinese economics/business
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:06:02 GMT

I know very little about money-type-things, but for those who have
found the article posted from _The Economist_ of interest, there is
a book out that you may want to judge as well:

_China:  Business Strategies for the '90s_
by Arne J. de Keijzer
Copyright 1992
Pacific View Press
(paperback; 279 pages; list price: $24.95)

For a dodo-brain like me, the style is very readable.  The whole book
seems "realistically" optimistic about doing business with China (the author,
after all, is a business-with-China-consulting-dude); the last chapter
contains some predictions, including that "[it] is China, not Central
Europe or the former Soviet republics, that will be the economic
success story of the 1990s" and that "the 'Greater China' economy will emerge
as a full-blown powerhouse by 1995."  And 6 more pages of such bold statements.The appendices also contain a nice-looking list of further readings
and organizations of interest (including his own, of course ;)).
It isn't "Sino-phobic", but it may stir some already-Sino-phobes into
more phobia.  Although optimism does leak out, the problems are explored
in just the right amount that it makes the perfect confidence-booster/opiate
for a cynic like me. 8*) At least it is interesting to take a look into what
some of these Westerners are thinking, eh?  :)

(Confession:  I haven't read the whole book--I just got it yesterday.)

But really, I want to believe that China is headed on the right track
and will become super-duper-powerful-and-respected, and that
the government and everyone there will be nicer and happier sometime in
the future when I'm not around to witness all this.  But...*sigh*.
China will change at its own pace, and the most I can do is to put
in my best--a tiny contribution to, perhaps, help her along.

An idealist in constant struggle against reality,

Jennifer Tsuei

P.S.  Gosh!  I sure know how to ramble on!  :O  ;)
P.P.S.  Seasons greetings to you all!  :)
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Another fun problem
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:18:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <009653AE.0C797620@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>
>stop sir, I dont want to see you lose until your pants.
>the average income is 50c after you pay $10 to play.

The income is at least $1, right?  I am puzzled with the answer as the
expected value is infinite.  But obviously, it doesn't seems favorable
to play.  A intriguing problem.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92351.230857XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Am I right??
yes.

>            You might assume the volume of a spoon
>            is zero (flat one).
...

Assume the volume of backet is 1, the volume of spoon is x (x<=1), the
percent of juice will be x/(1+x) in the water backet (doesn't matter how
much you take out).  After taken a spoon mixture back, the water in
left is 1/(1+x)...

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Zhou En-Lai !!!
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.015506.25870@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>
>Yesterday on *Jeopardy* there was a question:
>
>	Li Peng was the adopted son of the first priminister of China.
>What is his name ? 
>
>Nobody got the correct answer. One contestant answered *Mao*.
Please give credit for him/her to know Mao is a Chinese.
>
>- Chen Jinxiong
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wja@math.psu.edu (Jianan Wu)
Subject: Re: math problem
Organization: Chinese Basketball Club, The Pennsylvania State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:25:02 GMT

In article <Bz4u1x.HHF@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>Here is an effort to clean up this mess :) problem from SCC. 
>
>>In article <9212110333.AA13492@mariner.sce.carleton.ca> li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li) writes:
>>>                            Math Problem
>>>                            ------------
>>>
>>>Getting bored? Here is a math problem.
>>>
>>>There is a polynomial:
>>>       -a*y**n + y**(n-1) + y**(n-2) + ... + y + 1 = 0
>>>where real number a>0 and the notation "y**n" represents the nth power of y.
>>>
>>>It's conjectured that this polynomial has a unique positive real solution y.
>>>
>>>Can you prove it or find a counter example?
>
>Believe me: it is truth.
>
>a=F(y)=(y**n-1)/[(y**n)(y-1)], F(y) is a montonous function
>decreasing from +10/0 to +0/10, when y starts from +0/10 to
>+10/0.
>
>:-)

What if a = n? Your function F(y) is not well defined at y=1.
The following would be a better solution:
Let
           1     1              1        1
    f(y)= --- + --- + ... + -------- + ----
           y    y**2        y**(n-1)   y**n

In (0, +infinity), f(y) is strictly decreasing CONTINUOUS function with range 
(+infinity, 0) ( you do have to bother derivative test to know that f(y) is
decreasing function, since f(y) is obviously a sum of n strictly decreasing
functions). Therefore
            f(y)=a, a>0
has unique positive root, which turns out that the original equation has
unique positive root.

--Jianan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: 54yang@cua.edu
Subject: Re: On the Baby (Re: HK Airport Project
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.023850.6180@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
> 
>>Are you going to start a Hong Kong Independence Movement?  It surely will
>>be welcomed by UK and other western powers.  A divided China is the
>>dream of those former colonists.  It's the best for their interests
>>to make China weak in whole, or weak to excercise her power to a part
>>of China, no matter it is Taiwan, or Tibet, or Hong Kong, or Sin Jiang.
> 
> We are not talking about dividing Chinese countries.  We are talking about
> each Chinese country has its own government which manages its own affairs.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What do you mean by this?

> 
> Tell me, does Communist China look after every trivial events taken place
> in all of its cities/towns/villages?  guess not.  Each town has to manage
> its own affairs--that's what most HK people are supporting.  


Now the issue is not between the Central government and a local government
of China, but between China and UK about HK.  Don't be confused or confusing.

> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelvin
> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Watching Taiwan TV programs in China
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:50:15 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin


Watching CCTV in Taiwan is considered boring. Even those mainland origin
people who are badly homesick still think that CCTV is a collection of
kid's performance. Two neighbors of my parents, from Guangdong and Shenyang, 
both have visited their home town and said that in their life time, there 
is no wish to go back mainland home. Both of them were warned to watch pocket
closely and not to go out in the night while they were in mainland.

The people on mainland are able to watch some of Taiwan made programs via
Asian satellite channel. It is going to be all open three TV station of
Taiwan to mainland in 1993. I would expect CCTV to be more competitive
before then. Or else, people would watch Taiwan made programs instead of
shit shit TV. The fact proved that mainlanders prefer to sing Taiwan
songs better than those created under CCP ruling.

I don't believe that there is no news to report that CCTV is doing.
Constantly, CCTV substituting a scenery show in news slot and shows
no news (good news?). There is no enough time to cover all news in 30
minutes for Taiwan TV. But, it seems to be too long for CCTV to report
news in 15 minutes. Gee! no news again tonight on CCTV. It may be a
show of the poor drum beating from Gangsu.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32806 soc.culture.taiwan:16229 soc.culture.hongkong:16349
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Ethnically, Taiwanese are Chinese.

Culturally, Taiwanese are almost Chinese.

Politically, open your eyes and watch. 


By the way, what is a Chinese? Your answer may not be the same as others'.
From: eleeaf9@rosie.uh.edu (92F10560)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:29 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>>
>>>Easy, hum? A table has four corners, cut one corner and how many left?
>>>I feel like 5-year-old now!
>>
>>Either 5 or 3, depends on how large the cut is..
>>(everybody in china knows this riddle)
>>
>>NW
> 
>4 is also possible.
>(We are all assuming the cut is a straight line ....)
> 

 Infinity is also POSSIBLE if you are not a good cutter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.225235.18907@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <92Dec14.161558est.114@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
>(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>> hmmm, I don't know.  when early Manchurians took over Northern China
>> from Song Dynasty and founded the Jin, their written language was
>> very close to written Chinese, although the meaning of the words
>> are lost today, and very few expert can figure out a couple of characters.
>> 
>> then again, same thing happened to the Tibetan-related Western Xia Kingdom
>> during that period.   To modern day Chinese, words from those two 
>> lost written language looks exactly like Chinese, but they are just
>> not recognizable.   
>
>I think Western Xia kingdom is a Khitan kingdom and Khitan is more Mongolian  
>than Tibetan.
>
Liao was the QiDan Kingdom, after it got wiped by the Manchurians, the 
remanants marched west and founded western Liao, while Western Xia is
separate Kingdom, it lasted until the mongolians destoried in 1227.

I am not too sure about the origin of Western Xia, it's royal blood
line probably related to Tibetans, but not closely related, and the
royal family had adopted the last name "liu".



>Carl
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Airticket On Sale
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:59:01 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu
Keywords: Airticket, On Sale

In article <ezez.724367747@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>, ezez@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (008) writes:
|> lines: 20
|>  
|> 		Airticket On Sale(OBO)
|> 		
|>                   American Airline
|> 
|> Jan. 14, 1993  	LV: San Jose	12:55p
|> 		AR: Chicago	07:24p
|> 
|> Jan. 14, 1993 	LV: Chicago	08:15p
|> 		AR: Syracuse    11:02p
|> 
|> If you want it, Pls. contact ezez@sun.soe.clarkson.edu. 
|> He will say "Have Good Holiday!"


      You didn't put a price here and yet say OBO (or best offer). 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Don't Be an Ugly Chinaman (Was Re: NEWS: Survey Article ...)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:51:55 GMT

    The subject line was modified by Bo Xiong once, however, I would like
to change it to a more appropriate one: "Don't Be an Ugly Chinaman."

> A netter once active on SCC, China-net, and SUMFN champaign, was accused
> by some unknown person(s) on these nets, as being CCP spy.  His office was
> raided by security people on July 31, 1992.  All his email files on SUMFN
> were confiscated.

    It is your guess or you have hard evidence that someone on this net
snitched him?  I do see netters turn to other's system manager to complain
on dirty language.  But politically, Scott Horne seems to be the only known
informant :-).

    It is a shame if some netters sent small report to suppress different
opinion.  On the other side, it is also very ugly to abuse the governmental
privilege, though it is the things a typical ugly Chinaman would very much
tend to do.

> After 4 months' investigation, now his spy suspect was cleaned.  However,
> Government still decided that he was guilty of misuse of Government's
> property (email/network).

    Universities don't care how you use E-mail (probably it is only true
in North America, in other places universities do care), E-mail is virtually
a freebie and you are not supposed to pursue narrow interests only.  But
is there anyone who dares to organize a campaign without any relation to
the job he is paid for, yet using his company's system?  Unless he is ready
to quit :-).  My company does have internet access, nevertheless, I paid
$200.00 annual fee to buy this commercial account for my personal use, in
order to avoid exactly the kind of event happened to this guy.

     Here is North American, even a cabinet member drives to the office by
himself.  Whom do you think you are that you should expect nothing would ever
happen to you yet fool around like an ugly Chinaman?  Untouchable born with
a silver spoon in the mouth?  A GaoGan's son?

    Furthermore, we could well work in a place where are tonnes of national
secrets, say, Los Almos weapon laboratory or NASA.  How could one believe
the big brother is not watching, when you sent out hundreds E-mail from a
government site?  There are government computer system auditors and there
are FBI special system tasks.  Don't lose your mind even if your "heart's
jugular veins were clogged with pennies" :-).

    I am disappointed by some responses to this event.  What is the lesson
we should learn?  To be a mature and ethical man at the first place?  Or to
evade tax, cheat on welfare, and abuse job-related privilege with smarter
tricks?  Or to blame others when one got caught?  Oh, ugly Chinaman, are you
going to be even uglier?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Respose to Jian Chen's 8th article
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:31:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.050909.21965@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>In article <BzDr5M.Fy5@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>This kind of prevailing "theory" in the West is for Westeners self serving.
>>1. Foreign companies are only small potion of China's economy;
>>2. Capitalistic world learned quick from socialist after depression, to
>>transfer wealth to working class.
>>3. market and free enterprise is not the invention of West and capitalistic 
>>West.
>>
>1. Please give me the figures. How 'small' is the portion of foreign
    It was single digit in percentage. I forget exactly how much.
>   companies in China?
>2. Who is the poorest people in China? The governers or the working class?
     < 10% of China's population are catogorized as "poor" according to UN
     standard(have problem with food). How much percentage of U.S. population
     have problem with food? Africa 50%, india 30%.... 
>3. Whoever invent capitalistic blah blah blah, western people are using
>   it. China is not using it. This is the fact.
    China is using Market and free enterprises quite effectively!
    Only 20% of goods's prices are "controled or guided" by states.
    Central govenment's annual budget was less that 20% of total GNP, wich is 
    smaller than that of U.S.(25%). 
>>
>
>


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