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From: ar134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edward Spitzbarth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Uncle Tupelo and Winter Hours
Date: 23 Nov 1992 03:09:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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So, what do these two bands have in common.  Nothing except that
I'm asking questions about both:

I've recently severely gotten into the band "Uncle Tupolo".  I
saw them live at the big fair-well concert for the Gear Daddies
in Austin, MN and was impressed.  But I forgot about them until
recently when I was in a record store and found their album
"Still Feel Gone".  I was impressed by their ability to bounce
between a heavy guitar sound and banjoes, mandolins and an 
acoustic sound (and even sometimes in the same song).  I was
also impressed by their lyrical writing style.

Ok, I went back to another store and picked up what they had.
I know have "No Depression" (1990), "Still Feel Gone" (1991) and
"March 16-20, 1992", the last being produced by Peter Buck of
REM fame and recorded as John Keane Studios in Athens, GA.  These
are all on Rockvill Records.  

The question is now, who are these guys?  Anybody know anything of
their history, etc.?  Are these three albums all they put out or
do they have more?

Second question (my annual plea):  Does anyone know what happened
to the band "Winter Hours"?  After a few EP's and a couple albums
on Link Records, they recorded a brilliant (IMHO) self titled
album on Chrysalis in 1989.  Then they just dropped out of sight.
Any info on these guys would be appreciated.

Ed Spitzbarth

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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.174507.474@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>   	   "If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or
> 	    school metaphysics, for instance, let us ask; does
> 	    it contain any abstract reasoning concerning 
> 	    quantity or number?  No.  Does it contain any 
> 	    experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact
> 	    and existence?  No.  Commit it then to the flames,
> 	    for it can contain nothing but sophistry and
> 	    confusion."
> 				-- Niel Peart


Leaving aside the fact that I'm sure it's Neil, that quote isn't from
him anyway.  You'll be telling me next that the lyrics to Xanadu were
all his own idea.

ian
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 Bands of all time
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:18:46 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <jjonsson.257@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>Instead of saying Neil Young Invented Grunge, I'm going to have to say it 
>was THE STOOGES. Check out 1969's "Fun House" with classics like
>"TV Eye"

Though I'd agree that the Stooges were pretty grungy for their time, I
don't really think you can ever point out one particular band or artist
as an "inventor" of a genre.  The progression of musical styles is a 
a continuous process.  Artists build on what came before, take what they
need, add to it what they're able.  Even so-called musical "revolutions"
(rock'n'roll, be-bop, punk, rap), when studied closely and in context,
usually are simply the result of wider recognition and poularity of
already existing styles.  

Rock'n'roll was around for years, but it took a marketable (read: white) 
artist to break it into the mainstream and garner the recognition it deserved.

Punk rock, too, as a reasonable defined style had been around for almost
a decade when the Ramones and the Sex Pistols turned it into an "event"
by turning it into an anti-establishment voice for kids who were born
too late and missed the sixties.

Rap had grown largely ignored by the music industry and mass media; what
changed, I don't know.  I do know that most of the white people I know
got into rap at one of two times: when rap artists started incorporating
so-called "white" hard rock influences (RunDMC, Beastie Boys) around 1984
or so; or when people like Public Enemy and Spike Lee started bringing
black consciousness and race issues back into the forefront of social
discourse in the late 80's.  Was it because of a sudden newfound
open-mindedness of the mass media to black culture, or was it really
just "black is in; black sells"?  I don't know.  In any case, rap is 
suddenly "everywhere", and people who don't get it bemoan the sorry state of
this "new" music; but it's not new, it's just new to those who weren't paying 
attention.


Uh, where was I?  Oh yeah, grunge.  I don't think you could say that the
Stooges invented grunge any more than you could say the Ramones or Sex 
Pistols invented punk, or Elvis invented rock'n'roll, or Grandmaster Flash
& the Furious Five invented rap...because to do so would ignore how
each of those bands simply evolved from, say, the Troggs or the MC5, or
Chuck Berry or Muddy Waters, or Prince Far I and Parliament.


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From: 734keon@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: P. Floyd newsletter--how do I get in?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:45:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


Somebody please tell me how to get in.

Thanks--
--Dylan Keon
  734keon@gw.wmich.edu


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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:06:21 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov17.025259.8452@pb2esac.uucp> jlbrand@pb2esac.uucp (Jack Brand) writes:
>1. The Archies
>2. The Partridge Family
>3. Spinal Tap
>4. Grand Funk Railroad
>5. The Osmonds
>6. The 1910 Fruitgum Company
>7. Happy Kline and the Mirthmakers
>8. The Royal Guardsmen
>9. The Rutles
>10. Milli-Vanilli


What?  No Paper Lace?


Hey, and where's the Jackson 5?  You racist-oppressor-type, you.  The
Jackson 5 had at *least* as much influence on Saturday morning TV
as the Osmonds did.








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From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: PINK FLOYDI have a few Pink Floyd questions...
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:41:47 GMT

kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>>>>2.) The Floyd box set is to be released November 17th.  It will
>>>>supposedly contain nine discs, but with no real "new" material.
>
>   It also contains a disc with the early singles, which have never
>been released on CD.

Some of Floyd's early singles are on CD on "Relics".

Who wants a box set with new Floyd stuff, anyway? 
NEW FLOYD = NOT FLOYD!

A further question: Is the soundtrack to "Live at Pompeii" available on
CD (or even LP). I have it on video but the sound quality isn't too
good.

  -dif-
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From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: Leo Lends a Hand (was Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:16:03 GMT

dmb@xbar.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>Regardless of how vocal you people have been in this group, you do not
>own it, and you don't make the rules.  Such things are agreed upon
>by the community at large, and are easily accesible.  Read them.

*sigh*  Jig's up.  I've got the clean copy of the rules.  Running
over to Kinko's right now.  Let's see if we can all get them read
by morning.   That way we can all go back to writing about music
and David and everyone else can go back to reading about music.

-- Clay
		"Das Nichts selbst nichtet."
				-- Niel Peart
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Progressive Rock Groups/Musicians
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:06:49 GMT

mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:

>You've overlooked one extremely important band -- "Can".  I believe
>they're french.  I heard a friend's CD of theirs once, I don't recall
>the title, but they were really good.  I've never seen their stuff in
>the store, but I only buy in the used CD stores, so my selection seldom
>includes imports!

They're german, actually. And a lot of Can's catalog got domestic US
release so you might find some of them, but most Can fans would probably
never sell them anyway... 

>IMHO Peter Hamill sucks, don't bother with him.  However, he has quite
>a career, he's played with many greats and has many albums of his own --
>this is certainly a matter of taste!

I'd call it more a matter of opinion... yeah, stay away from Hamill, but
that Peter Hammill guy and Van der Graaf Generator did some great stuff and 
that german guy Peter Michael Hamel is ok too. 

  - Malcolm
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:13:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov19.021354.11761
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Clayton Glad...

> ... Since
> dancing is a non-musical activity it only detracts from the essential
> musicality of music. 

William McAdams...

> This a complete non-sensical bullshit. It is bad enough that you do not  
> know what you're talking about, but by trying to "intellectualize" it, you  
> come across as an even bigger moron.

Okay, first of all, Clay is not a moron.  A morAn, perhaps, but definitely
not a moron.  Second of all, are you saying that dancing is music?  Could
you please explain?

-dx
From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:56:12 GMT

In article <1875@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes:
>Doesn't young Silverman at least get some sort of award for inciting
>the normally quiet and helpful Ray Shea to such vituperative heights?
>If memory serves, the award is that old James Brown compilation :-)

Yes, his remarks have certainly prompted some famous flames...

AWR
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Subject: Re: MADONNA: Erotica Extra Track
From: wcrusher@netlink.cts.com (Wes Welty)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:54:15 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

andyy@visionware.co.uk (Andy Yates) writes:

> wcrusher@netlink.cts.com,
> 
> I think you've got it a tad mixed up haven't you?  The rapper sh*t is not 
> track 12 (In this life).  I think it's "Words" isn't it.
> 
> On the whole disk is pretty good, but that one track (I hope we're talking
> about the same one) is absolute foetid dingo's kidneys.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> andyy@visionware.co.uk
> Andy Yates, VisionWare Technical Support, 57 Cardigan Lane, Leeds LS4 2LE, UK
> Phone: +44 532 788858	Fax: +44 532 304676
> 
> "One should either be a work of art or wear a work of art"

No, I am right. Words is her rapping or what ever you want to call it. 
The song referred tois #13 "Did you do it".

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From: amymw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Amy Wisotsky)
Subject: Re: 2 songs: who did them?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:47:38 GMT

dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) writes:

>"I'll stop the world and melt with you"
Modern English

Don't know the other one, sorry.

							-Amy-
							 :)
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From: sammy@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Samuel Larson UCLA Astronomy)
Subject: Re: Lead singer of Cause & Effect died?
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:57:51 PST

Here in L.A., the first rumor was death from asthma attack.  A day later
that had changed to cardiac arrest.  I don't know what it is today. 

The interesting thing is that Cause & Effect are still scheduled to play
here in December.  Evidently the band wants to try to stay together.

sammy

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From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:29:10 GMT

In <1992Nov22.012845.27166@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:

>falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

>>ok but there are some serious holes in this.. a person only knows that
>>something is black because he thinks it is... or has been told it is... the
>>same goes for white... he thinks it is white and therefore it is white...

>Oh, I see your point.  But what if I were to say, "Something white can
>be destroyed, but white cannot be destroyed, and that is why the meaning
>of the word `white' is independent of the existence of a white thing."?
>Certainly it makes no sense to say that the color white is torn up or
>pounded to bits.  But don't we say, "The white is vanishing"?  And don't
>clutch at the idea of our always being able to bring white before our
>mind's eye even when there is nothing white anymore.  For suppose you
>cannot remember the color anymore?  When we forget which color this is
>the name of, it loses its meaning for us.

good point... then we no longer perceive white and it ceases to exist...
once you cannot remember something it no longer exists which is one of the
bases for some older religion's (i don't remember i think it was roman)
beleif in eternal life... as long as you are remembered you are still
alive... so the goal in life was for you to be remembered and the best
thing you could do for a dead person was to remember them and pass on their
memory...
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From: craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman)
Subject: Re: Top 4 Heroin songs of all time
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:25:46 GMT

How about "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers...:)
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From: barman@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Dilip Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: "Wet Dream" pun song
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:47:07 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill



There was a clever song that came out about five years or so ago called
"Wet Dream".  The chorus was "I think I had a wet dream, floating in the
jet stream".  It consists of funny puns and the singer tells the story of being
a fish - some lines I recall are giving money to Jerry's squids;
boy was he big - he had mussels all over him; let's get tanked; I've
got a case of the crabs.  Who did this and where can I find a recording?
Did he do more similar "songs"?  Thanks!

        Dilip

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:30:03 -0500 
From: Michael Joseph Swietek <msce+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Difinitive list part II
	<1992Nov18.073117.20562@muddcs.claremont.edu> <1egbheINN3h@uwm.edu>
	<WARKENT.92Nov20111748@ltisun13.epfl.ch>

  MAybe I didn't make myself clear.  What I meant to say was that there
is only two type of music.  Pink FLoyd and Not Pink FLoyd.    'Nuff
Said!!!!


   With love,
               Michael Swietek   ( msce+@Andrew.cmu.edu )

PS:    If you listen to Butt metal as defined in my list you suck ass!!!!!!
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From: jakubec@mprgate.mpr.ca (Trent J Jakubec)
Subject: SONG: Crimson & Clover (?)
Reply-To: jakubec@mprgate.mpr.ca (Trent J Jakubec)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:08:44 GMT

Greetings:

Someone at my office mentioned some song that used the words "Crimson and
Clover" over and over again.  I had no idea who this might be, because I
kept trying to sing it to "Nights in White Satin".

Anybody happen to know whether the song is called "Crimson and Clover" 
(besides the usual who sings it and where can it be found)?

Thanks in Advance

Trent
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: I am curious (long)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:10:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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In a previous article, falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) says:

  [a whole lot of stuff that could have saved us all a lot of time if he'd
  simply said "I like these bands."]

  :)

  Sorry... I would have replied to this seriously, but I was laughing
much too hard. The comments on Yes and the part about Pink Floyd being
"one of the most influential bands (and then later in the paragraph:
"I really don't know how influential they were...") were especially
side-splitting. Bravo... 

  Jeff

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From: ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook)
Subject: Re: Top 4 Heroin songs of all time
Organization: Shonen Knife Fan Club
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:09:23 GMT

"Surfing on Heroin" by...uh...i forget.
"Some New Kind of Kick" (Cramps) mentions heroin in passing, and
the soundtrack from "The Man With The Golden Arm" oughta get at
least an honorable mention!
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From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: 10,000 Maniacs Info
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:11:13 GMT

Could someone fill me in a little bit about 10,000 Maniacs.  How long
have they been around, where did they get their name, etc?
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: MVO100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Anyone living in Germany, music question.
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:04:32 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Anyone in Germany like either BONFIRE or VICTORY? Both groups lost their U.S.
 labels several years ago. I have most or all of their releases. Does anyone kn
ow if either of these groups is making or made a new album w/in the last year.
Any info. would be appreciated. If you are a fan, send e-mail. Thanks in advanc
e.
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From: falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood)
Subject: Re: Ray Shea Goes Ballistic (was Re: Top 10 bands of all time)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:49:32 GMT

In <1992Nov21.063501.7517@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:

>As for you, Mr. Hood, I don't know where you get the impression that anyone
>has suggested that Mr. Silverman not be allowed, nay ENCOURAGED, to post
>his opinions here.  I'm even happy to have him post them in the guise of
>unargueable, objective fact, if he so desires.  But, you and he must both
>realize that this is a discussion forum, and we are all free to respond to
>his posts in whatever way we see fit.  Freedom to post cuts both ways.  If
>Mr. Silverman doesn't want his proclamations questioned, he probably
>shouldn't post them to a worldwide public forum.  If he wishes to ignore
>the resulting criticism, then he should do so.


i get that impression from the fact that he gets flamed for his posts... ok
here is a situation... everytime you do something you get flamed for it...
are you going to do it for too long... heck no... i think that the constant
flaming of his stuff is a deterrent to his posting...  now there are
certain instances when he has deserved it... and there are certain
instances when everyone deserves it... but most of the flames came on the
heels of his being unable to back up his opoinions... people can't always
defend their opinions sometimes they aren't that rational...
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From: stewarte@sco.COM (just a guy made of dots and lines)
Subject: Re: Top 10 bands of all time
Organization: Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:52:19 GMT


After overdosing on Halcion, cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) typed:
>In <1992Nov16.174507.474@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>
>>You've heard *plenty* of black music, pal.  You've just heard it 
>>performed by white artists.
>
>No, you are wrong. I agree with you thank Black artists helped influence
>the early days of rock and roll, but saying that all music today is
>directly linked to Black artists is like claiming the Thomas Edison is
>responsible for the computer just because it runs on electricity.

We're not just talking about something that happened somewhere back
in the mists of time, y'know.  We're talking about a process that
has been ongoing throughout the entire history of recorded music
and continues today.  The Beach Boys copped "Surfin' USA" from Chuck
Berry's "Sweet Little Sixteen".  The Yardbirds and later Led Zeppelin
borrowed from Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon.  Hall & Oates wanted to 
be the Temptations so bad they hired Ruffin & Kendrick to tour with 
them.  The Red Hot Chili Peppers were heavily influenced by George 
Clinton & his Parliament/Funkadelic crew.  The Clash, like the Police,
were heavily influenced by reggae, and also covered Professor Longhair's
"Junco Partner".  Joe Jackson recorded an album full of Louis Jordan
songs.  And that's just off the top of my head.

Claiming that popular music is _not_ directly linked to black artists
is like claiming that Intel, Sony and Seagate can't claim any credit
for your computer, 'cause you assembled it yourself at the Self-Serv
Computer Store.

-- Stewart

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