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From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:02:41 GMT


On the subject of naming a child Geordie LeVar--

how about naming him Jordan and using the nickname Jordie?  That way
the connection to Star Trek is downplayed, but you get the same
prononciation.

Don't know what to do about the middle name, though!

June Cummins Lewis
-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: willis@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Funny things they say & do (2.75 yr)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:24:33 GMT

Last night, I picked my 2.75 yo son up from daycare, and we went home and
sat together on the couch to read a book. He is still nursing, and after
a few minutes said, "I want some mommy milk!" (which is what we call it,
to distinguish it from "refrigerator milk"). I explained that I couldn't,
in the dress I was wearing, and he said, "Mommy! Go to the bedroom and change
your clothes!" I laughed and said, "OK, but give me a minute to relax." 
He grumbled a bit but subsided.

A minute or two later (I obviously wasn't moving fast enough to suit him!),
he got a gleam in his eye and said, "Mommy, I pooped!" (He's still in diapers).
Then he came over, sat on my lap briefly, hopped off, and said, "I sat on
you! NOW go change your clothes!"

Needless to say, I was impressed - what an imagination!

		Sue Willis
		Leo's mom (2.75 yr)
		willis@sscvx1.ssc.gov

                                                           
p.s. he actually hadn't pooped, and my dress was clean...
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: difference between an epidural and a spinal?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Everyone keeps mentioning epidurals.  I have no idea what they 
are.  What do they do to you, how much does it hurt and what are 
the side effects.

Also, what is a spinal?  What do they do to you, how much does it 
hurt and what are the side effects.

How does a spinal differ from an epidural?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:12:00 GMT

(Guido Marx) writes:
>
>another child, regardless of the sex.  Having a child simply because
>you want a particular sex is silly IMHO.

May be silly, but I've met quite a few women who, having had only boys,
say that they wished they had had a girl.  The usual complaint is that
they felt that they would have been closer to a daughter and the grandchildren 
that followed.  They remembered how close they had been to their own
mother - cooking, going shopping together, sharing secrets ...etc and were 
sad.  Their sons had either moved away, or they felt that their daughterinlaw 
favored her own parents when it came to the kids spending time with their 
grandparents.  

(Now, I'm probably going to get an avalanche of mail from men who spend loads 
 of time with mom.... or daughterinlaws who prefer their motherinlaw over
 their mother).


diana
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Late Crawler
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:16:04 GMT

Hi it's me again.  The mother with the "late bloomer".  Thanks for all
your responses, re: my son who is not crawling/walking yet.  He is 11
months old (today)!  Everyone basically told me not to worry, but to
make myself feel better to take him to the doctor.  Well, he is scheduled
for his 1 year checkup early October, I will definitely be talking about
his progress then.  Who knows, he might surprise me between now and then!
I don't feel I need to rush to the doctor right now, it can wait til then.
Thanks for all your responses, it's always nice to have 2nd opinions,
and third, and fourth, ...   ;-)

Catharine

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Late night bottles
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:50:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.174105.25615@morrow.stanford.edu> rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna) writes:
>Many people have posted that their pediatricians had told them to wean
>their children form bottles.  I understand that going to bed with a
>bottle can promote toothe decay.  So have the child brush his or her
>teeth.  
>
>Except for instances where a child is drinking so much liquids that they
>are not getting adequate nutrition, why should a child stop drinking
>from a bottle?

Why?  Because even when they aren't allowed bottles in bed, they may develop
a tendency to let liquids stand in their mouths for a while without swallowing
and end up with the same kind of tooth decay.  Drinking from a cup doesn't
encourage this lazy habit (I don't know why).  Also, the longer they are
allowed bottles, the harder it can be to break them of it because they tend
to develop comfort/security feelings for the bottle.  This doesn't always
happen, but it happens often enough to be an issue.  Finally, if one concludes
that the child is drinking so much liquids that they are not getting adequate
nutrition, the situation has been developing for a while.  By then, the child
may already be suffering the consequences of inadequate nutrition.
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
UUCP: ...!{harvard!ima,uunet!atexnet}!munsell!cairo!mbb
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute Things They Do (21 months)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:16:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah

>In article <185r1iINN2gg@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
>writes:
>>  Both boys reached the car simultaneously, with
>> me right behind, giving Dylan the umpteenth sermon on how the toy
>> was not his and that he would have to take turns riding it.  The
>> boys looked at each other very seriously, as if they were about to
>> wrestle over ownership.  Then, out of the blue, they leaned towards
>> each other and *kissed*!
>

Another cute kissing story (but my son is 15 months).  Jeremy was
running around the house kissing everything (including his 5-year-old
sister  -  amazing  :-]).  The toys got kisses, the mirror got kisses
(of course), the TV, etc.  I asked him for a kiss for mommy - he
grabbed his mouth and shouted  "No!  Mine!!"  Then started laughing
and came over and kissed me.  A 15 month-old tease, what every parent
needs huh.  :-)


 _//  Lynette Atwood _/_ _/_
 /    __  , ____  _  /   /  _       [insert humor here]
/___ / (_/_/ / <_</_<___<__</_
        /
latwood@oodis01.af.mil
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:51:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <BuBJKr.1uH@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.172737.14557@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes...
>> 
>>What I was wondering was how much caffeine would/would not
>>be considered safe during pregnancy?  I've consulted 
>
>My doctor told me *no* caffeine, *no* alchohol (of course), and 
>to cut down on my sinus medication as much as possible - now I
>only take tavis D, one pill 3-4 times per week.
>

One woman I worked with had to take mega-doses of caffeine for
an asthma condition the entire time she was pregnant.  Mega-doses.
The doctor said it was either that or no breathing.

The baby was OK, except she did have a rather nasty red birthmark
on her head, a la Gorby, but down to the forehead too.  

I've heard that there is a Chinese folk rumor that eating
shellfish while pregnant causes acne to occur when the baby becomes
a teenager.  Your pimples may vary.


--Al Date
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:38:21 GMT

I live in Toronto area and I pay my sister $17/day to watch my son.
This is considered a good rate, most I hear of are $100 for private
daycare.

Also I have daycare where I work, their rates are:
$770 for infant
$650 for toddler (18+ months)
$550 preschool age.

I think this is a little over my budget, I hope my sister can keep
her babysitting up, she is pregnant right now with her second, and
I think my days might be numbered where she has two or her own 
plus mine!  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that she has an
*extremely* easy baby to care for!

Catharine

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Re: Alcohol during pregnancy (was Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:52:57 GMT

In <22394@venera.isi.edu> sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds) writes:

>Paula Burch writes:

>>There is NO evidence ANYWHERE that one drink per week can do ANY harm 
>>to the fetus.  

>Unless you are omnipotent THIS STATEMENT IS ABSURD.  How can you claim
>to know the state of ALL evidence EVERYWHERE?

I won't speak for Paula, but it is not unusual for someone to have
combed the relevant research indices.  One need not be omnipotent to
conclude reasonably that "no evidence exists to supports proposition X."


>Recent studies suggests that even one drink at the wrong time **may**
>lead to fas.  The study that I am referring to was recently discussed
>on an airing of 20/20.  The consensus of the researchers was that they
>simply did not know the specifies of the cause/effect of alcohol with
>respect to fas other than to state that the more one drinks the
>greater the risk.

Ah, 20/20, that venerable bank of scientific wisdom.  I would hardly
call the claims of a TV news magazine "evidence."

I've got news for you.  If there's *no* risk for low levels of
consumption, but positive risk for higher levels of consumption, then
the most common statistical techniques will appear to say that "the
more you consume, the higher the risk."  (When the numbers involved
are small, spurious results are even more likely.)  This is the result
of misapplication of the techniques---deplorably common, especially
among the sort of third-raters who might do TV shows.


>Rather than splitting hairs (any further) I would like instead to
>restate that IN MY OPINION the short term gratification of an
>occasional drink is not worth the POSSIBLE RISKS.

Then when you get pregnant, don't drink.  (Or, if your wife gets
pregnant, I suppose it's your right to hassle her about it.)  This is
your preference, which is based on your apprehension of the utilities
involved (though, it appears, a misapprehension of the risks).

I *heartily* support women who choose to abstain totally from alcohol
and other substances that they feel might possibly carry risk.  (As a
matter of fact, I am one myself.)  But because the risks involved are
so small for light consumption, I cannot support the insistence that
*others* abstain totally, because such a position is based on an
inconsistent or false understanding of the risks involved and
therefore generates unnecessary panic among women who are already
experiencing a great deal of stress.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.145013.13111@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.175255.3319@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>>In article <8383.9209091703@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>>>
>>>In response to Ben Wolfe's post on negative effects
>>>of drugs during labor, Liz Attree ends with:
>>>
>>>Sorry, it made me mad.
>>>
>>>I just wanted to say ditto, and amen.
>>
>>Not only that, but I can't understand *where* he gets his
>>medical information from.  I've actually read a few of the
>>things he's listed, and I cannot understand why he thinks
>>they support his position.
>>What a jerk trying to impose unnecessary pain on women!
>
>I didn't save the original article, but I don't think Ben was trying to
>"impose" pain on women.  He was merely saying that one really ought to
>be aware of the risks involved.   He was trying to encourage women to
>learn (and I believe that in most case it must be learned) how to labor
>without pain medication, for their own health as well as the baby's.
>
Really? What that what he was saying? Well how very patronizing of him. If
that is what he was saying then someone should tell Ben that we *were*
discussing the issue on the net, and presumably, we were trying to become
better informed! 

Add me to the list of people who were offened by his post. I think he is a
new poster to misc.kids, and probably doesnt realize that we are a pretty
well informed group, and in the areas we are unsure of we ask the net. We
dont need his type of mean-spirited lectures.

Laura Floom
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween ideas 22 mo-LONG
Date: 11 Sep 1992 15:09:21 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <24882@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
|> Ideas for easy halloween costumes:
...
|> I've seen some good ideas for making Halloween costumes out of sweatsuits,
|> with the addition of sewn or glued on pieces.  Felt is a good material
|> to use because it doesn't fray and is widely available in a range of
|> colors.  If you just baste it on by hand, it can be removed and the
|> sweatsuit used for everyday use.

Don't remove the felt! When I was a child, my favorite toys were the 
costumes my mother had made me. They get used again and again--not 
just at halloween.

The angel or fairy costume had wings of heavy cardboard covered with 
gold foil, attached to two loops of gold ribbon so they could be worn 
like a backpack. A little white dress and a "magic" wand completed the 
costume.

I also had a red devil costume like Diane describes, and a great witch 
costume--my father made the hat of thin cardboard and painted it black, 
and my mother made a black tent-dress.

My brother had a great robot costume--my dad painted a paper grocery bag 
with aluminum paint and cut holes for his arms and head. I suppose that 
aluminum foil figured heavily in the rest of the costume, and a painted 
box with eyeholes for the head.

We also wore old sheets with eyeholes cut in them to be ghosts.

(My best effort as an adult was the AIDS virus costume--on the theory
that traditional costumes are of whatever people fear most. It was an 
icosahedron of 18" plastic pipes, about 3 feet in diameter, laced 
together with elastic so I could pull in the sides to go through a 
doorway, covered with a filmy black material with silver losenges to 
represent the glycoprotein spike--in the middle of this, I wore black, 
with a silver ribbon spiraled around me for the RNA. Very elegant. I 
even won a prize, but it's not a costume for a child. A lot of people 
insisted on hearing my 60 second lecture on the structure of the AIDS 
virus that night.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:28:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Early music training
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Videotaping birth
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:14:08 GMT


For our first daughter, my husband took pictures after she was born.
He didn't have his glasses on, so a lot of the pictures were blurry.

We bought a camcorder before our second daughter was born.  The birth
turned into an emergency c-section and luckily, there were extra
doctors in the delivery room.  One of the doctors took pictures of
Stephanie being born.  Theres an excellent picture of the doctor 
holding her head and lifting her out of me.  Then theres a couple
of pictures of her being removed from me and one almost cutting
the cord.  

My husband grabbed the camcorder and was able to start it when the
nurse took Stephanie from me to the warming table for inspection.
We heard the doctor telling me that the baby would have never
come down, meaning that she was stuck in my pelvic area.

I'm really glad to have the video of her birth.  I wish that I could
have videotaped my older daughters birth, but the birth was such
a scary time, that I don't want to remember it.  I just like to 
forget everything up to the part when she was actually born.  O
I would have liked to have the video of after she was born, and
when they cleaned her, etc.  But, you can't go back, so I just
have to be happy with the pictures.

Our problem now is getting that camcorder out and videotaping
more often than we do.  We keep meaning to, but were slacking.

Sandy
Xref: sparky misc.kids:23272 rec.arts.startrek.current:13023
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:35:47 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

adamson@grok65.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ann Adamson) writes:

> In article <1992Sep10.164954.25521@wes.on.ca>, judim@wes.on.ca (Judi Mota) wr
> |> I also believe you are entitled to name your child any name you choose and
> |> no one should have anything to say about it.  My brother and his wife name
> |> their little girl Sydney and their last name is Schultz.  It wasn't a name
> |> I'd pick for a little girl but today she's Syd and she's adorable and now
> |> think it suits her just fine.  And I love her to pieces!
>
> Along these lines, I am at 23 weeks and just recently had an ultrasound
> that said I was "probably" having a boy.  But just in case, we need to pick
> a name for a girl too.  The name I really like for a little girl is Jordan.
> Now, this seems to be a real love-hate thing with most people...about half
> love it and the other half say "but that's a boy's name!"  My brother
> absolutely HATES it.
>
> Anyway, any advice from people with cross-gender names or children who have
> them?  Does this end up being a real pain or do most people like it?
>
> Ann Adamson

I agree with you that your child's name is the responsiblilty and joy of
the parents ONLY. My MIL's name is Henry Etta, with the Etta being her
middle name. Her "grandma" name is Mama Hank because that's what she
wants it to be.

We named our son Leon Henry, after his 2 paternal grandparents. My husband
let me choose the order of them, and I liked Leon better than Henry so
that was the way I decided it would be. For the first few months of his
life, she insisted on trying to call him "(Little) Henry" and "Lee". We
corrected her every time, and she finally has come to grips with the fact
that his name is Leon. (Many people did ask us if his nickname would be
Lee. I can't figure out why he "needed" a nickname.)
My father didn't like it, probably because the names came from my
husband's family and not mine. What it all boils down to, is that you
can't please everyone. So the parents should please themselves and try to
please the little one who will be wearing the name all his/her life.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Xref: sparky misc.kids:23371 rec.arts.startrek.current:13066
From: sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Summary: The Olympic connection
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:55:02 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids

In article <1992Sep13.204642.1642@access.digex.com>, robdean@access.digex.com (Rob Dean) writes:
> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
> 
> >When I was in high school, we had a girl in our class who's name was
> >Mary Ann Lisa. The teachers never knew if she had put her last name first
> >(as requested on many of the forms) or not.
> 
> As my name is Robert Stewart Dean, I have run into this a few times. 
> 
> Rob Dean
This can be a problem with two "last names" as well. When Trent Demus won
a gold medal in gymnastics at the recent Olympics and was standing behind
the middle victory stand, the announcer, as customary, first announced the
bronze and silver medalists. Then, after having announced -- in the
obligatory four languages -- "the winner of the gold medal, from the
United States of America, is...", there was a very long pause, followed
by "Demus Trent." The announcer had no way of knowing which was the surname and
which was the first name -- and guessed wrong! I wonder if Trent would have
preferred -- at that moment -- to be named Robert! But, from the size of the
grin on his face, I wonder if he even heard!

So, maybe you might want to consider how the name would be read by a stranger
at the Olympics of 2012!

Peggy Sweeney


Xref: sparky misc.kids:22988 rec.arts.startrek.current:12888
From: steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:51:56 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division

In article <1992Sep8.230251.14756@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>   My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>   we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
>   that one aside from the occasional "What an unusual name," or "But she won't
>   be able to get license plates off the rack in the store like other kids," or
>   "She'll spend her whole life correcting people when they call her
>   'Debbie'."  None of these bother me, since my sister's name is Jael, and
>   she's dealt with having to correct people for the past 34 years just fine.

>   The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.

This is kind of off the main subject, but do kids no longer make fun
of other kids with unusual names?  When I was growing up, kids
regularly teased those with unusual names.  For this reason, I would
never give a child an usual name.  You mentioned that your sister has
had "to correct people for the past 34 years".  Do you really want
your child to have to do this?  Maybe I'm way off here, but I wouldn't
put anyone through the possible teasing and confusion that an unusual
name would cause.

--
======================================================================
Steve Strauss                     gdfwc3!kuwait!steves@central.sun.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Epidurals
Date: 15 Sep 1992 10:39:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I am quite upset to hear that there are warning labels on bupivicaine
that I/we?) were not told about.  The ONLY side effect I remember being
told about (nearly 3 years ago) was that it could prolong labor.  They
may have mentioned others that seemed so minute that they just weren't
remembered, but there was NOTHING about it crossing the placenta, there
may have even been the statement that it DOESN'T!!!

This is truly upsetting.  It has me so upset that I cannot say anymore.

-SHirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids