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From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:21:33 GMT
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong

In <1992Jul23.151230.26314@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.125243.5479@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>|> shlam@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (Alan S H Lam) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> >Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow.
>|> >He may read this news group.
>|> >Would you like to say something to him?
>|> 
>|> Dear Mr. Patten,
>|> 
>|> 	I hope you can use your influence to build a solid foundation
>|> to ensure the stability of Hong Kong after the turn over in 1997.
>|> 
>|> 	Thank you.

>Agree.

>In the meantime, could you help the universities there scan more
>scenic/popstar/whatever HK pictures in the net? Also HK popsongs
>in MIDI?

Actually, CUHK has the facility to scan pictures. We have already
scanned many pictures about the Project Hope and put them to
the anonymous site: nok.lcs.mit.edu.

read the doc file there in /pub/project_hope

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: thomasc@dragonfly.wri.com (Thomas Chin)
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 21:27:20 GMT

(Amos Yung) writes:

>... to US's TV standard. 2) HK's movie audience enjoy mindless
>action drible. Common sense are not welcome, let alone science.

This is wrong.

Movies are more than just common sense. You simply don't like movies if you
have to look for common sense. besides, speaking of common sense, we don't
always have common sense even in real life...

--Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM
Subject: Re: Lam=Lin=Lum=Lim
Organization: AT&T-BL, Naperville IL, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:18:37 GMT
	<BrzMIy.Gq5@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
	<1992Jul27.182858.8492@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<Bs2Iyp.Mpq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <2817@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 01:33:14 GMT, jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord
>>>>> Automato) said:

Lord> LUM is closer in Cantonese pronunication for "woods", just the
Lord> British didn't know to pronounce them correctly.

No, it's just that the U was already used for a different sound, e.g.,

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is "wan dung" [or "wan6 dung6" or "waHn duHng" or "wan-tung" etc.] in
some Cantonese romanization schemes.  [P.S.: See the upcoming
alt.chinese.text FAQ posting for info on automatically generating
Chinese characters in your posts.]
-- 
Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM Naperville IL USA Chinese~{;}5$Da~}Ji1Dan1ni2
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:37:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

O.K. I admit I am wrong here. But it is true that American football have not
been popular in HK (or rest of the world except Japan). Were there any matches
between march and july? I was in HK and heard nothing about it. I must have
missed them. On the other hand, no body can miss the European Cup. It was
covered in both channel (english and chinese) and has introduction in 
newspapers monthes before the event.

In my first note, I mean there were no coverage of World Cup in your national 
network like ABC, NBC etc. I was not in US that time but I read a lot of
notes from workmate in US complaining the coverage. They had a hard time to
find it specially those temp. Some of them needed to tune to spanish channal.
They said that it was easlier to find a cable channel in those area having
a lot of alians.

Have a nice day

Yuk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY) 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:13:45 GMT

In article <92Jul29.121558edt.246475@descartes.waterloo.edu> mkcman@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man) writes:
>
>The reason why MAC is not popular is that the price is pretty high and the supply
>of software is not enough. You know, HKers (including me) like to copy the software.
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>If the black market of software is not enough, why we need to buy a MAC, we can just
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>buy a PC instead. So the MAC is not popular, of course we know
>MAC is a good stuff..
>

Please pay some respect to your fellow programmers by NOT copying software.  Programs
are not essential to your survival, so if you can't afford them, don't use them.  

>
>Morever, I can only agree one of the points of the stupid jobs you have mention.
>COBOL is stupid, I agree, but SQL is not stupid, since it is powerful. So there
>is no problem to write SQL program but it is stupid to write COBOL program.
>

Why is SQL less stupid than COBOL?  If you care to look into some literature, you
will see that there are many problems with SQL.  Both are used mainly because of
existing systems use them.

>Marcus
>U of Waterloo

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: lhclin@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:21:16 GMT

In article <3050@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:

>Why are there so few (if any) HK science fiction movies?

I remember from a magazine article I read quite awhile ago talking about types
of movies in HK.  Four types of (HK made) movies are considered posionness to box
office, they are : science fiction movies, children movies, muiscal movies, and
spirit promoting ("Lai Chee") movies.  About 0% of them are box office hits, and
for this reason the HK film industry is resent from making them.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ttlam@pieman (Tom Lam)
Subject: Re: Watch problem ?
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 05:45:32 GMT

testing !!!!
From: djen@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Wing says NO ISI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: WStroff
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:31:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science

I'm looking for the user manual for WStroff. I think there should be
one in one of the remote site. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks!

-- 
Djen, Wing Shing
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggie)
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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:58:57 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:


>In article <1992Jul27.024843.13015@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:

>>    ...I received calls from MCI representative who can speak in both
>>    Cantonese and Mandarin.  They tried to convince me to switch long
>>    distance company.


>  I am really curious about something.  How do these companies know
>that you speak Chinese??

Your local Bell company is selling your name and your 
calling history (countries where you call) to the long distance
call company like MCI and Sprint for a premium price.  
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Re: New Discovery of Element
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 21 JUL 92 18:18:43 PST


In article <l6eb3mINNjop@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, henryl@stonehenge.Corp.Sun.COM (Henry Lai) writes...
> 
>OK, let's put an end to this.  The guy didn't write the article, I've
>seen this a long time ago in USENET.  Yes, there is a companion one
>that has MAN as element, and if I can find it, I'll post it to "balance
>it out" alright?

Two wrongs does not make a right.

>Why are people so uptight in this group?  I don't believe in anything so
>sacred you cannot make fun of, or else we cannot say anything about our
>government, religion, minorities, abortion, and the list goes on.

Uptight?  There's some things called humor and fun, and there are some things
called garbage or worse offensive.  You can certainly argue about all the
topics you mentioned.  Just don't pretend you are humorous and then proceed to
degrade another group of people.  

Let me start calling one of you a @#$%^&*  I have a lot of fun.  I did not 
"hurt" you physically.  I think it is humorous.  I don't know/care about you.  
Well, that's not really fair, isn't it?

Also, someone mentioned the guy might have got the stuff from his company's
bulletin board.  Well, I think Stratus is a better company than that, and also,
I am glad I do not work for that kind of a company.

Charles
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Problem of 1997?!
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:51:36 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul22.174821.10480@news.cs.indiana.edu>, kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Victor Kuan) writes:
|> In article <2746@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul17.162932.8265@news.cs.indiana.edu>, kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Victor Kuan) writes:
|> >|> In article <2714@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >|> >In article <1992Jul13.132325.17906@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
|> >|> >|> In article <2700@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (James Lam) writes:
|> >|> >|> >In article <1992Jul12.042211.3476@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
|> >|> > [stuff deleted..]
|> >|> >The majority of HK people don't worry about food, they want democracy.
|> >|> 
|> >|> 	That's what happens to the peasants in Mainland China...
|> >|> 	They can't "feed themselves well before they can think about
|> >|> 	the rest. It is sad...
|> >
|> >But HK people can.
|> >
|> 
|> 	They/We certainly can... But, they don't really want to
|> 	due to the fact of the loooong history about "that's nothing
|> 	people can do in Chinese politics". I am not sure if I say it
|> 	the right way... People are concerned about economical survival..
|> 	Oh, well... I don't know if I can explain it.. I hope you, the
|> 	netters can understand.......don't misinterpret...
|> 

That is called Tao (throw) Shu (rat) Ji (worry) Qi (vessel).
This is not a problem of HK people but a problem of Chinese in general.

On the other hand, from the support of the democratic promoters in HK, I
am not sure you have a point that "they don't really want to..."

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ttlam@esk ( Tao Tom Lam)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:19:07 GMT

testing !!!!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9281 soc.culture.japan:6257 soc.culture.taiwan:11297
From: irie@husc9.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Learning about World War II in Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.IRIE.92Jul27150300
 PD.CO.JP> <21JUL92.16143193@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw><1992Jul27.005451.7593@medsys.rn.com>
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: bbs@medsys.rn.com's message of 27 Jul 1992 00:54:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.005451.7593@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) writes:
   >
   > The people killed in Nanking may be more than the sum of the people died 
				  ^^^^^^
   > in two atomic bombing. Why should Chinese suffer that?

   Should be are. The number is roughly 300,000 vs. 200,000.


I am glad he cleared this up! I mean, I couldnt sleep nights not
knowing the exact numbers. Forget about the survivors of the atomic
bomb droppings who not only have to suffer the psychological effects
(like those of the Nanking massacre) but radiation poisoning and LATER
DIED anyway. I mean, who cares right? all we want is the true "score"
in the game of death.

If a judge (in this case I guess god himself) is faced with two
murderers, and one murderer says "Hey Judge, have pity on me, I only
killed 20 people, while this guy killed 30! Plus, I was provoked into
killing, since those 20 I killed were "bad" guys. That must mean I am
really GOOD right?" What would you say? 

My point is as always. killing no matter what number is still bad. The
Nanking massacre was TERRIBLE, and so were the atomic bombings.But
what is the point in comparing actual numbers? Am I missing something?
We can either spend time preventing things like those from happening
again, (like maybe coming to peace with the past and stop hating each
other for eternity!)  or we can keep on quibbling on which country was
the most efficient killer.

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From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK Interests & U.S. Elections
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:04:16 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Last night I had dinner with one of my former students at Chinese University,
now visiting the United States.  She and her friends from Hong Kong talked
about the U.S. elections extensively, heavily from a Republican point of view.
Bush came across as their savior, Clinton-Gore as a pair of goons.

Is theirs the view being played out in the Hong Kong media?  They mentioned 
that they watch CNN, but I gathered that their views are shaped more by the
local HK media.  

They seemed completely uninterested in any of the domestic issues addressed
at the Democratic Convention.  They see the American presidency as strictly
an international role, accountable to Hong Kong workers and U.S. workers
alike, only through service to international corporations in a completely
free market place.    Is theirs the typical HK view?


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                    Heteroprivilege Is Against New Jersey Law!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Subject: More Hong Kong News
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Ltd
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:54:39 GMT


HK <--> US East Coast Routes near
=================================
SCMP, July 15

Nonstop flights between HK and the East Coast of the US could be just
four years away, says Cathay Pacific's (CX) chariman Peter Sutch.

Open skies over China, Mongolia, and Russia - a prospect growing closer
to reality - would eliminate the need for transit stops in Narita and
Seoul for some flights to the US and greatly enhance HK's position in
aviation terms, he said.

"New routing through Russia and China to North America will make New York
and Toronto one and two hours closer,  We could fly non-stop from the
northeast coast to HK in next 3 to 4 years, certainly in 4 years' time."



World's Biggest Building Opens in Hong Kong
===========================================
15th July, 1992.

After years of planning, the biggest building in the world - as officially
recorded by Guinness - opened today amidst fanfare.

The building, Asia Terminals Centre, a multi-storey container storage and 
distribution facility, at the Kwai Chung Container Terminal, was opened 
by the Chief Secretary, Sir David Ford.

Phases 1, 2, 3 and portions of phase 5 have been completed with a total
of 3.2 million sq. ft. of space.

Phase 4 and the remaining portions of phase 5 will be be completed by 1994,
adding an additional 2 million sq. ft.

Mr. George Hsui, marketing manager for Asia Terminals Ltd, claimed that
that 98% of the terminal is now filled (ie. leased) and expected the facility
to be fully booked by end of year.


[Ed. there was a picture of it.  It's not very tall, but it is HUGE.
 Go by it and take a look when you next visit Kwai Chung]
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9124 rec.arts.sf.movies:5919
From: poon@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:20:51 GMT
Reply-To: poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

In article <1992Jul21.233935.12601@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

[Deleted]
>Has anyone read anything by a guy named "Wong Yik?"  (not the singer)  

No.

>he started writing sci-fi several years ago--and they are pretty good.

Please tell us something about him.

>I wonder if film-producers will ever bring this guy's work to the Big screen.

If they (those stories) are good, I hope some day they will be on big screen.

Have fun!!!

								Poon.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9287 soc.culture.asian.american:7188
From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lam=Lin=Lum? Re: History of family name
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:11:09 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:

>I think my last name "Lam" is the same as the different spelling versions of
> "Lin" and
> "Lum" (I think "Lim" also).  It is the Chinese charater for "woods".

>-Dan Lam/Lin/Lum

something like that--isn't Lam a Cantonese pronounciation (as opposed
to Lin in Mandarin) or something like that..I mean I wouldn't know,
I don't know any Cantonese.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Re:  Discovery of Woman, from the author of the Discovery
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 JUL 92 18:26:12 PST


In article <4942@transfer.stratus.com>, cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com writes...
>shame".  And some just say, "relax, it is just a joke".  My observation is
>that people working in the industry are a lot more uptight than the free
>spirited college students.  What is the lesson to be learned here?  Be very
>careful of what you say in a large company such as DEC.

I can admit that I may be becoming too old.  But, the principle here has very
little to do with uptightness or not.  Snipings aside, it has nothing to do
with DEC or any large company either.  Try showing your humor to your personnel
department at Stratus, and you will find out if it can be tolerated there.  

>p.s.  Only people in USA are so politically correct.  So I won't waste any

Restricting speech by using the politically correctness argument is garbage, I
agree with you there.  But blindly rebuking criticisms by claiming the other
side is playing to the so-called political correctness is a blatant coping-out.
The logic is getting confusing here, but I hope you get my point.

Don't take it too personally.  I did not call you a chavinistic pig.  I can be
unconsciously sexist sometimes too.  I am sure you're ok and a fine person. 
It's only that people's impressions on others may be so skewed because of some
minor things - and this statement can apply both ways.

Charles

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Should we post uuencoded bin to schk?
Organization: IBM Australia/Australian Computing and Communications Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:25:53 GMT

In article <9239@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, cheung@mathcs.emory.edu (Shun Yan Cheung) writes:
|> In article <l7c23iINN1ka@spim.mips.com> yhmok@hornet.mips.com 
|> (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok) writes:
|> 'In article <5183@transfer.stratus.com>, 
|> 'cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:
|> '|> If you have X-window, run the following program.  I promise it is not
|> '|> a obscene picture.
|> '|> 
|> '|> ------ Cut Here --------
|> '[...... deleted]
|> '
|> 'Cannot run this!  can you post the source or put it in some ftp site?
|> '
|> '	Shark at SGI
|> 
|> Never try to run a binary program on an arbitrary system. It's stupid and
|> dangerous. You never know what the `instructions' will do - as you may
|> know, machines X and Y's instruction codes are incompatible. Also, you
|> are risking introducing a virus into your system and that is dangerous.
|> So NEVER EVER run any BINARY program off the net. Insist on getting the
|> source and compile it locally.
 
	** I do not think posting encoded bin files to here(or any other
	   newsgroups) is a good thing to do.  Please don't even if they're
	   "reasonably" small - most of them aren't.  It's fine sending
	   files here provided that they are no rubblish and the entire
	   source codes are posted instead of the encoded mc stuff(please do
	   so).  You may also post a message here saying that you've got
	   some good stuff for us and upload your thing to a public FTP 
	   server.  Like what our HKPGCS guys are doing which is the best
	   way of letting people share you good stuff nicely and economically.

	** Anyway, thanks to the people who give away and share their good
	   stuff.

---Bill Lo