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From: aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Austin Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Misc Questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:29:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

how does a locksmith make a key for a padlock which you no longer
have key for?

can I make a key for a lock with the proper blank and a file? 
would this take longer than the time left in the universe?

i tried to order some locksmiting equipment (picks and wrenchs,
which aren't available at Gall's) from Kenco and they said I needed
to be a registered locksmith or have a student ID number :( !!

what kind of student ID number were they looking for, ALOA?  any
advice here?

is it possible to compile a ranking of pin tumblers (brands/models)
from easiest to impossible for the FAQ, for example:

Kwikset (pathetic)
.
.
Schlage (difficult)
.
.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:57:31 GMT

In article <80833@ut-emx.uucp> jerry@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Porter) writes:
>Now maybe the car is less likely to be stolen if it has a club on it, but
>I doubt it makes much difference to a "professional" car thief.

Nothing will stop someone if they want it badly enough.  The trick
then is to drive a piece of shit car like I do.   ;-)


andrew
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:25:28 GMT

holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak) writes:
: star@husc9.harvard.edu (Joshua Star) writes:
: 
: 
: >In examining a "Club" the other day, I see they are wafer locks, and they are
: >(done in about 20 seconds)trivial to pick. ( As someone before had mentioned)
: >I suppose some more expensive models have higher security locks.
: 
: I have seen some people place the club on the steering wheel backwards so
: the lock is facing the dash. Would this make it harder to pick??? I can
: do this on my car and there is barely enough room to put the key in,
: much less manipulate a pick.  Whattaya think????

All such methods are pretty inconsequential when you can cut the steering
wheel in 30 seconds or so.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Old Safe?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:49:31 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1a0645INNa7n@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca>  dryan@sgi1 (Dan Ryan) writes:
> A friend of mine has an old safe ...
> Is there some way to go about opening it

Yes, but you'll probably have to find a locksmith who's a safe man to
manipulate it open for you.

> I don't have the make and model at the moment,

Find out.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: mulcihy@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (David Mulcihy)
Subject: Granddaddy's Master Padlock
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:10 GMT

My mother (who shall remain nameless - not blameless) used my
Granddaddy's padlock and then lost the key to it.
It is a size 3 Master padlock #786. Can anybody help me get a key
for it.
Thanks.
David Mulcihy
mulcihy@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Key Blanks
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:58:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct6.171336.20365@cs.ucf.edu> pwr@physics.ucf.edu (Patrick W.
Ryan ) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone out there could help me find a place to
>order a certain type of "hard to get" key blank which I have had no
>luck finding in the stores around here.  If anyone knows of a
>locksmith supply company or a catalog for such a place, I would
>appreciate a response ,as I have been looking for such a place for a
>while for this and various other blanks and supplies.  The reason I
>can't get one from a regular store is that it is for the locks at my
>dorm room.  It's one of those weird blanks which also says "DO NOT
>DUPLICATE" on the side.  The only way I've been able to copy these
>keys so far is to get a similar

Many blanks (both hard-to-find and common) are made by independant key
companies, in addition to their manufacturers, such as Ilco, Star,
etc.  For example, Best keys, which say DO NOT DUPLICATE on one side,
and are commonly used in colleges, are equivalent to ILCO A1114x
(where x is the type of Best blank) -- these Ilco blanks don't say "do
not duplicate," either. Anyway, should be able to order them from a
locksmith supply house (such as

	Kenco Locksmith Supply Co.
	2531 North 85th Street
	Omaha, Nebraska 68134
	1-(800)-228-2266

Just call and ask for a catalog). If you don't know the number of the
3rd party key, you might want to order a catalog for that manufacturer.
Ilco/Unican is pretty comprehensive, so I suggest you order one of those.
Kenco sells the Ilco catalog for $7.50.

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: jd4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Eddy Demers)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Galls pick set
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:41:44 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I seem to have missed the ordering information for the previously
described pick set, if anyone could repost it or e-mail me, I would be
most appreciative. Thanks in advance

Joe


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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Misc Questions
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:24:48 GMT
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>>>>> "AH" == Austin Harris <aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu> writes:

AH> how does a locksmith make a key for a padlock which you no longer
AH> have key for?

AH> can I make a key for a lock with the proper blank and a file? 
AH> would this take longer than the time left in the universe?

Yes, you can. ][t's a slow process, but fairly simple. On the other
hand it takes some practice and it can ruin the lock if done too much.
You need a key blank, hammer, and a file. ][nsert the key blank, turn
so the pins are binding and won't move, then strike the keyblank. The
pins will leave marks in the blank showing where to file. File away a
little bit of metal, insert the blank, strike, etc. Eventually certain
places on the blank won't have any marks from pins; these have been
filed enough.

--Rat
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Key Blanks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:37:34 GMT

pwr@physics.ucf.edu (Patrick W. Ryan) writes:
: 
:      I was wondering if anyone out there could help me find a place to order
: a certain type of "hard to get" key blank which I have had no luck finding 
: in the stores around here.  If anyone knows of a locksmith supply company or
: a catalog for such a place, I would appreciate a response ,as I have been       looking for such a place for a while for this and various other blanks and
: supplies.  The reason I can't get one from a regular store is that it is for
: the locks at my dorm room.  It's one of those weird blanks which also says
: "DO NOT DUPLICATE" on the side.  The only way I've been able to copy these 
: keys so far is to get a similar blank from the store and spend about 15
: minutes filing the grooves down so the blank will fit, and then spend another
:  10 minutes filing the key pattern so it matches the tumblers.  I would really

Often, these are restricted distribution blanks. How limited depends on the
manufacturer and the particular blank. It is possible that the University
is the only party in your city who may purchase the blank.

Just out of curiosity, why do you need multiple keys to your room? Wouldn't
it be possible to get another key from your campus physical plant department?

Bill
From: pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:30:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct2.205731.25213@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
>In article <80833@ut-emx.uucp> jerry@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Porter) writes:
>>Now maybe the car is less likely to be stolen if it has a club on it, but
>>I doubt it makes much difference to a "professional" car thief.
>
>Nothing will stop someone if they want it badly enough.  The trick
>then is to drive a piece of shit car like I do.   ;-)
>
>
>andrew
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>Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
>Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
>                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot

Not always the case, sadly, for two reasons.  1) Somebody is willing
to pay a shady parts supplier for a part for his car, which happens
to be the same model as yours.  Supplier steals car to order, in effect.
2) Unknown to you, your car has antiquie/fad value. Witness my
80 year-old aunt's 1965 or so Chevy convertible taken right out of her 
yard one fine night. 

Pete Mason

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From: star@husc9.harvard.edu (Joshua Star)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:22:47 GMT
Distribution: usa


In examining a "Club" the other day, I see they are wafer locks, and they are
(done in about 20 seconds)trivial to pick. ( As someone before had mentioned)
I suppose some more expensive models have higher security locks.
From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Cane thingies that lock brake pedal and steering wheel
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:14:05 GMT
Reply-To: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifbb657@donald.cc.utexas.edu


  Are those cane thingies that lock the brake pedal and the steering
wheel more secure than devices like the Club or the Ultra Club?

PS:  Is the regular Club lock a sidebar or wafer lock, and what
type of lock is on the Ultra Club?!?!?!?!?!?!?

adTHANKSvance,

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From: jd4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Eddy Demers)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Galls pick set
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:42:19 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I seem to have missed the ordering information for the previously
described pick set, if anyone could repost it or e-mail me, I would be
most appreciative. Thanks in advance

Joe


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The more you study, the more you learn,
the more you learn, the more you know,
the more you know, the more you forget,
the more you forget, the less you know.
So why study?!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The more you study, the more you learn,
the more you learn, the more you know,
the more you know, the more you forget,
the more you forget, the less you know.
So why study?!
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: mschulbe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Max Schulberg)
Subject: FAQ/GAlls
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:39:24 GMT



Hi...sorry i'm new to all of this...could somebody please explain what and
where the FAQ is.  Also, would somebody post that Galls information.

Thank You

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: black@beach.csulb.edu (Matthew Black)
Subject: Re: 5 button locks
Organization: Computer Engineering, CSU Long Beach
Distribution: alt.locksmithing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:24:53 GMT

In article <pat.717449403@bcserv> pat@bcserv.wustl.edu (Niemeyer (Pat)) writes:

>>A while ago in this group, there was alot of discussion on those 5-button 
>>door locks.  I forget the brand name, but hte idea is that the combination
>>can be 1, 2, 3, 4,  or five numbers, and 1, 2, 3, 4 or five of the numbers
>>can be pushed simultaneously.  Also, no number can be used more than once
>>in the combination.

>>Some people caluculated the number of possible combinations on these locks, 
>>and as I remember it was something like 2000, but my memory may fail me.

>>If someone has a copy of the calculation, I would appreciate a post or E-mail.
>>A guy I know claims he could try all the combinations and open it in under
>>a minute, but of course we don't have any of the locks for which he doesn't
>>know the combination.

>I calculated the number once... I believe it is just barely over 1000.
>I have had a lot of experience w/ *guessing* these type of doors.
>My friends and I do it quite often.
>If have *any* idea of what type of patterns the people setting the locks use
>you really can get through the doors in a matter of minutes.
>Worst case though, it can take an hour or more of tedious trials.



>Pat

It's true...there are less than 2000 ordinary combinations, though our
campus locksmith informed me that thousands of other combinations are
possible using "partial" button pressing.  Yeah, right.  

Anyone who knows the type of sequence you use can quickly guess your
combination.  For example, if your sequence consists of pressing two
buttons followed by pressing two buttons, you have 60 possible combinations.
     5*4 + 3*2 = 60        two plus two
     5*4 + 3 + 2 = 25      two plus one plus one
     5*4 + 3*2 + 0*1 = 60  two plus two plus one

If you carry out the math for all possible groupings, you get something
near 2000.

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From: jase@praxis.co.uk (Jason Dore)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:16:53 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

I'd very much appreciate a copy of the FAQ if anyone's got it.

Thanks in advance,

Jase.


jase@praxis.co.uk
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Push Button door locks
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:37:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

rdale@cstp.umkc.edu writes:

>or some such.  Can't work this one out, and I've used one of those locks!
>Most recently it was a sort of touch pad arrangement, rather than physical
>buttons.

I always thought the way around these locks was to put a fine coating of dust
on the buttons, wait for someone to go through the door and then see which
buttons didn't have dust on them any more.  This would eliminate unused buttons
from your search.


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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re: Galls pick set
Organization: large
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:19:35 GMT

The Computer.... <MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>It says that the Galls Pick set is 10 pieces but I only count 9.
>Are they including the leather pouch as a piece??

Including the case in an item count is SOP.

andrew
From: holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:18:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

star@husc9.harvard.edu (Joshua Star) writes:


>In examining a "Club" the other day, I see they are wafer locks, and they are
>(done in about 20 seconds)trivial to pick. ( As someone before had mentioned)
>I suppose some more expensive models have higher security locks.

I have seen some people place the club on the steering wheel backwards so
the lock is facing the dash. Would this make it harder to pick??? I can
do this on my car and there is barely enough room to put the key in,
much less manipulate a pick.  Whattaya think????

R.H.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: btb@NCoast.ORG (Brad Banko)
Subject: LIFE Lockaid picking gun
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:26:15 GMT


	I recently purchased a Lockaid Picking gun. After alot of 
experimentation, it still took me about 30 minutes to open a normal door
lock. The pamphlet that was sent with it is kind of flimsy. Can anyone
help me on techniques for using above mentioned pick gun? It seems to me 
that opening the lock depends purely on luck. 
	Also, how do the electric lockpick guns differ from hand-operated
pick guns? The ad in the Interlock magazine states, "OPENS LOCKS IN SECONDS!"
Yet in many ads for the Lockaid gun, tey say it's the absolute best pick gun
out on the market. Anyone?

-- 
______________________________________________

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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Granddaddy's Master Padlock
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:43:16 GMT
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA

In article <1992Oct1.192010.15598@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mulcihy@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (David Mulcihy) writes:
>My mother (who shall remain nameless - not blameless) used my
>Granddaddy's padlock and then lost the key to it.
>It is a size 3 Master padlock #786. Can anybody help me get a key

Two suggestions:
 1) Look thru the stock at a few of the local hardware stores, trying to
    find another #786.  If sucessful, buy it.
 2) Order a #786 lock at your local hardware store/locksmiths if 1 fails.
 3) (I can't count)  Get a carbide hacksaw blade and utilize it.  Bolt cutters
    may also work if the Master 3's shackle isn't hardened.
-- 
                
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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 15:04:36 EDT
From: The Computer.... <MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Galls pick set


It says that the Galls Pick set is 10 pieces but I only count 9.
Are they including the leather pouch as a piece??  Also, I think
that if you want info. on some of the questions that are being asked
these days, you and many an other people should check out some of the
archived info at the ftp site at Babyoil.ftp.com in the directory
of Hobbit.  It has many interesting tidbits of info. such as a mess
of numbers to assorted locksmithing and supply stores.

Hope this helps some..

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From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13:57:09 PDT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

bsmorgan@sdrc.COM (Brian Morgan) writes:

> >>The average locks were removed from anywhere between 15 seconds to 3 minute
> >>all brands and styles failed the test at the hands of the amature.
> >>The CLUB lock was apparently in the 15 second category.
> 
> >What do you think of this?  Is this for real?  Can a club lock really be
> >removed by a non-professional in 15 seconds?
> 
> I've never tried to pop the lock on a CLUB, but for a valuable car, the thief
> could cut the steering wheel with a hacksaw to remove the CLUB.  This would
> probably take as much as 2 minutes - steering wheels are pretty soft, and not
> that expensive.
>     Brian
> 


I havn't been following the thread, but the most common way
these things are destroyed is with freon and a good whack with 
a handy-sledge.  The hardened shaft on the club will shatter.

An alternate method I have heard of is using a butane torch
instead of a hammer and break it with thermal shock,
but this would seem to me to be asking for bits of hot metal
to fly into your face, but on the other hand, your
local crack head already has the torch, saving him the trouble
of having to steal a hammer.


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                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: auto club locks
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:11:23 GMT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.

In article <yDDoRB2w165w@hale.cts.com> system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:
>bsmorgan@sdrc.COM (Brian Morgan) writes:
>
>> >>The average locks were removed from anywhere between 15 seconds to 3 minute
>> >>all brands and styles failed the test at the hands of the amature.
>> >>The CLUB lock was apparently in the 15 second category.
>> 
>> >What do you think of this?  Is this for real?  Can a club lock really be
>> >removed by a non-professional in 15 seconds?
>> 
>> I've never tried to pop the lock on a CLUB, but for a valuable car, the thief
>> could cut the steering wheel with a hacksaw to remove the CLUB.  This would
>> probably take as much as 2 minutes - steering wheels are pretty soft, and not
>> that expensive.
>>     Brian
>> 
>
>
>I havn't been following the thread, but the most common way
>these things are destroyed is with freon and a good whack with 
>a handy-sledge.  The hardened shaft on the club will shatter.

Wouldn't this be a pain compared to picking it (are they wafer locks?)
or manipulating/ripping it off the steering wheel?  Besides, using
Freon isn't as Environmentally Friendly(*tm) as picking/ripping.



andrew
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re: Broken key
Organization: large
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:40:02 GMT

In article <80604@ut-emx.uucp> mack@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mack Kuo) writes:
>I was wondering. How are the "boots" that policemen attach to car tires work?
>How do you lock and unlock them?

Usually, they clamp on and are secured with a padlock.  Cambridge, MA,
uses American 700 series locks with Ace keys.

One of the many reasons I keep bolt cutters in the trunk...

andrew