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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: RE: Preventing hurricanes
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:44:11 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) wrote:
>(There is nothing wrong with living
>near a major fault if the house is designed for it, just as there is
>nothing wrong with building houses in the Homestead, Florida area,
>ASSUMING THAT THE LOCAL BUILDING CODES ARE WELL WRITTEN AND ARE
>FOLLOWED.)

South Florida has one of the strongest building codes in the nation.
Most of the damage was due to this code not being followed.

>   In spite of all you hear on TV about the property damage from
>Andrew being the worst this century, there have been much worse
>hurricanes which did much more damage.  (But the TV commentators don't
>use constant dollars.)  

Nope.  This is by far the worst in terms of damage.  The figures used
are constant 1989 dollars.  The nation has never seen a disaster of
this scope before.

>>    An exercise which would be fun if it wasn't so gloomy.  What were
>the top ten disasters--natural or otherwise--in this country in this
>century, and what are your criteria for deciding?  A quick shot:
>Hurricanes: 3 Cammille, '36? in Rhode Island, and the one that hit the
>	Florida Keys in the fifties.  

From a list provided by the National Hurricane Center, the top ten dealiest
hurricanes in the United States this century are:

1.  Galveston              1900                6000
2.  Lake Okeechobee        1928                1836
3.  FL Keys and S Texas    1919                 600
4.  New England            1938                 600
5.  FL Keys                1935                 408
6.  LA and TX              1957  (Audrey)       390
7.  NE United States       1944                 390
8.  Grand Isle, LA         1909                 350
9.  New Orleans            1915                 275
10. Galveston              1915                 275


Costliest hurricanes in 1989 dollars:

1.  S Florida, LA          1992  (Andrew)       $30,000,000,000
2.  Charleston             1989  (Hugo)           7,000,000,000
3.  S Florida, LA          1965  (Betsy)          6,321,225,000
4.  NE US                  1972  (Betsy)          6,279,000,000
5.  MS, AL                 1969  (Camille)        5,128,727,000
6.  NE US                  1955  (Diane)          4,108,598,000
7.  New England            1938                   3,515,940,000
8.  AL, MS                 1979  (Frederic)       3,427,000,000
9.  Houston, Galveston     1983  (Alicia)         2,340,000,000
10. NE US                  1054  (Carol)          2,318,830,000


       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu>, hartman@dewey.udel.edu
(Nancy Hartman) writes:
> 
> Hurricane Andrew has left *MANY* pets hurt and homeless.  Since I'm sure
> that pet care is not eligible for federal help, we all need to chip in.
> 
> The North County Humane Society is going to be going down soon to rescue
> and care for as many animals as possible.  This is an extremely dangerous
> task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the 
> violence down there.

  I don't know where you got this information, but I live in
  South Florida and I've been reading the local papers every day since 
  the storm and all the local tv stations are broadcasting only 
  hurricane info, and there has been no mention of humane society 
  workers being shot.  There is also almost no violence going on down
  here.  In fact, it is amazing how much cooperation and help
  is being supplied by those who weren't as seriously
  affected by the storm.  I just read your comment to several of the 
  people I work with, and no one had heard anything about it or "the
  violence down there."

  Please don't take this as a flame, but be careful what you write.  
  It's tough enough down here right now without rumors being spread.

  As to helping the animals, there are several groups that are
  collecting donations for animals. I don't have addresses
  with me, but I can get them from home if anyone is
  interested.

   the Wildlife Care Center
   Fort Lauderdale FL

   Welleby Animal Medical Center
   Sunrise, FL



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From: kuh@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu ((Kevin Hill) Ext. Agent - Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Miccosuke Indian Village
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:10:00 -0500

In article <9363@travis.csd.harris.com>, paul@baby.csd.harris.com (Paul Hughes) writes:
> In article <GORDON.92Aug31135545@lugh.think.com>, gordon@lugh.think.com (gordon linoff) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know what happened to the Miccosuke Indian
>>Village out on Tamiami Trail (my brother-in-law is
>>Miccosuke, although he doesn't live on the reservation)?
>>Has the Trail been re-opened?
>>
>>--gordon
>>Gordon Linoff  Thinking Machines Corp. Cambridge, MA 02142   617-234-2070
>>Internet: gordon@think.com  uucp: {mit-eddie, uunet}!think!gordon
> 
> I drove south on I-75 from Tampa to Naples, and then East on Alligator
> Alley this Monday (8/31).  I was surprised to see very little damage,
> in fact other than a few twisted road signs I wouldn't have noticed any
> difference from a week earlier before Andrew hit.  I was expecting alot
> of traffic associated with hurricane relief, but found very little.
> 
> I'm sure that further south the effects would have been very noticeable.
> 
> 
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The Miccosukee Indian Village on the Trail was hit pretty hard by Andrew.
Amazingly, the traditional chickee huts (built from cypress poles and palm
fans) withstood the storm far better than the mobile homes and travel 
trailers in the reservation.

As you may know, since the Miccosukees are recognized as their own nation,
they are not eligible for federal aid, but they are receiving relief from
surrounding reservations farther to the north, as well as the Bureau of
Indian Affairs.

BTW, I live in Collier County which borders Dade (Miami) to the west. The
storm travelled through the lower portions of Collier wreaking havoc to
the small fishing towns of Everglades City and Chokoloskee. Andrew also
hit the resort Island of Marco, which prompted a declaration as a disaster
area. The damage, while severe in many areas of Collier, was nowhere near
the total devastation experienced in South Dade ... so you probably won't
read anything about us in the newspapers.

-- 

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From: trish@isl.Stanford.EDU (Patricia Halloran)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 17:54:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:
>
>Hurricane Andrew has left *MANY* pets hurt and homeless.  Since I'm sure
>that pet care is not eligible for federal help, we all need to chip in.
>
>Please send donations of any kind of animal care products (bowls, food, 
>shampoo, hairball laxative, flea control products, or even used towels
>and blankets) or a monetary donation to:
>
>North County Humane Society
>185 East Indian Town Rd.
>Suite 211
>Jupiter, FL  (I don't have the zip code)
>

   ****Zip Code for Jupiter, FL = 33458
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^^

>(407) 747 - 1598
>
>- Nancy Hartman
>

Thank you Nancy.
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Date: 1 Sep 1992 12:08:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Maurice writes:

... western man should get his/her shit together and learn to coexist
with the nature ......

I must second this one.  Too often we just get out there and leech off the
nature, is quite natural to get slapped back once in a while.  It is a
catastrophy that so many people died, but you cannot changed the nature
for the sake of few, and let the Earth go to ruin.  This little ecological
system that is Earth it is quite too complex for us to change.  We should
learn to understand it, and try to protect us against it, rather than change
it.  This attitude of "we will fix it" destroys much more than builds for 
the human race.

Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Injured Horse Relief Efforts
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:38:18 GMT


I'm sure there are people out in netland who would like to
help the injured and homeless horses in South Dade Florida.  I
just called the South Dade Animal Relief organization.  They
are handling the horse relief.  Right now they need donations
of money to buy feed, medication, supplies, etc.

They are a federally monitored relief organization.  I asked,
and all money donated is going to relief efforts not
administration.  They are set up taking care of severly
injured horses that are being brought to Tropical Park in
Miami.

If you want to donate, send donations to:

   South Dade Animal Relief
   c/o Barnett Bank
   P.O. Box 026006
   Miami, FL  33102-6006

If you want your money to be used for some specific item (e.g,
medication), write that at the top of your check.  The woman I
spoke with (I explained the net and told her I was posting this 
message) said that all donations are also tax deductible, if
that was any concern.

If you live in this area and want to volunteer, call
  Command Central at Barn E at Tropical
  (305)554-5023
  (305)223-8526

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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:22:20 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <Btwsz1.67K@encore.com> jpenovic@encore.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu>, hartman@dewey.udel.edu
>(Nancy Hartman) writes:
>> 
>> Hurricane Andrew has left *MANY* pets hurt and homeless.  Since I'm sure
>> that pet care is not eligible for federal help, we all need to chip in.
>> 
>> The North County Humane Society is going to be going down soon to rescue
>> and care for as many animals as possible.  This is an extremely dangerous
>> task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the 
>> violence down there.
>
>  I don't know where you got this information, but I live in
>  South Florida and I've been reading the local papers every day since 
>  the storm and all the local tv stations are broadcasting only 
>  hurricane info, and there has been no mention of humane society 
>  workers being shot.  There is also almost no violence going on down
>  here.  In fact, it is amazing how much cooperation and help
>  is being supplied by those who weren't as seriously
>  affected by the storm.  I just read your comment to several of the 
>  people I work with, and no one had heard anything about it or "the
>  violence down there."
>
I understand your concern, and I too have not heard about anyone being
shot (humane workers or otherwise), but the press in the Washington,
DC, area especially in the first few days -- not so much anymore --
did talk about massive looting and property owners defending their
belongings with machine guns.  One report said a family returned to
their home about 4 hours after Andrew went through and looters had
been through it already.  Is this true or not?  We thought it
interesting that there were no reports of looting in Louisiana.  And
couldn't figure out why in one place but not in another.

schalene
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: How to send donations to Florida
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 14:52 EST  

hello;

I was wondering if someone could post the address of the Red Cross in South 
Fla. and if that is where donations to the Relief Fund should be sent.

Is there a better place? If so post that.  I would also be interested in 
other organizations that are in need.

Thanks

Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
From: kathy@duke.cs.duke.edu (Kathy Redding)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:44:42 GMT
Followup-To: kathy@cs.duke.edu
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <Btw6Fn.8uM@pronto.mh.nl> sgl@mh.nl (Annet Siegel) writes:
>
>In article <5997@transfer.stratus.com> dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault) writes:
>
>> Well, The USA is beginning to respond to the mess Andrew left behind,
>> as we do when any nation suffers a natural disaster. My question is:
>> Have any other nations offered aid to the US so far?
>
>Why should they ?

I don't want to start a flame war at all, but-----------------------
 Why SHOULDN'T they?  After all, the US has loaned millions & millions
(probably more like billions) of dollars to other countries on more than one
occasion.  I'm no historian, politician, or any other "ician" or "orian."
But it sure seems plain to me that we've given and given an given, and very
little has been returned (no I don't have exact stats) on loans we've given
over the years.  The loans that we gave various countries to help rebuild
after at least WWII alone (I'm not sure of my history on WWI) were extremely
generous.

How many of these countries repaid their loan?  The ones that didn't have
been in default for years; but do we hesitate to rush to their aid again,
knowing we'll probably never see that money again?  No.  Would I have it any
other way?  No.  I'd just like to see some gratitude sent America's way, and
some help if/when needed, instead of America-bashing.  And I'm not accusing
you of America-bashing.  I just get so angry at the apparent attitudes of
ingratitude and greed displayed by other countries.  (I am a what some
people would call a religious person, meaning I believe in a real God.  So
my next sentence comes from those beliefs.  If you don't agree, ignore it.)
God has blessed America since her birth, and I'm thankful for it because it
allows us to assist others when assistance is needed.  I know many countries
world-wide may think we meddle.  But where would those countries be w/o some
of the help we've given them?  Oh, and another thing, I'm proudly loyal to my
country.  I wouldn't live anywhere else--though I sure would like to visit
other places.

I don't think I've ever responded to a post in the way I am now.  But I have
family down there--elderly aunts & uncles, and a number of cousins.  
Fortunately, their lives were spared, though one of them lost a house (she's
living w/ her mom who didn't lose her house). The others  had damage to
their homes.  I can't even call them.  The info on them has had to come
round-about through other family members.  And I am indignant that there
would even be such an attitude of "Why should they?"  If your post was an
honest question, I do apologize.  But it sure didn't come across that way.
I'm sure I'll get plenty of replies/flames on this one!  Sorry this is so
long.  I do apologize for the lengthy bandwidth.

Kathy Redding
Technical Reports Librarian
Computer Science Dept.
Duke University
Durham, NC  27706
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: RE: In-Hurricane analysis
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:36:40 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) wrote:
> 
>Can someone elaborate on the research methods used by scientists
>where the actually go into the eyes of active hurricanes with
>helicoptors and airplanes and all thier related data acquisition
>equipment on board.

Helicopters in hurricanes sounds quite dangerous.  It's not done.

For information on airplanes flying into storms, one of the best places
to look is an episode of Nova about this.  I'm sure this episode will
be repeated.  It usually airs about twice per year.

Call your local PBS affiliate for more information.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew,rec.pets,udel.bull,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.pets.dogs
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Violence in FL??? (Re: Pets need help in FL!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:42:30 GMT

schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:

>  [...] but the press in the Washington,
>DC, area especially in the first few days -- not so much anymore --
>did talk about massive looting and property owners defending their
>belongings with machine guns.  

	Then the press is wrong.  First, it's nearly impossible to get
a license to own a machine gun, and second you can bet this would have
made nation-wide news if a machine gun was used in any crime.  No, the
press doesn't know what it's talking about here.  There may have been
firearms used to prevent looting, just as in LA, but it can hardly
be described as massive according to the people in the area I'm
corresponding with.

>One report said a family returned to
>their home about 4 hours after Andrew went through and looters had
>been through it already.

	It's entirely possible, but one would do well to remember that
in situations like this it's possible for the family to remove a lot of
items and claim looting to their insurance company.  We've had similar
things up here with regards to tornado's taking belongings which happen
to find their way into a daughter's living room a week later.  I'm not
saying your claim is wrong, just that the incident could be a hoax and
that the looting is far from "massive."  It sounds like a reporter let
his adjectives get away from him that time.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Pets need help in FL!!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:34:36 GMT

In <1992Aug29.014556.3783@udel.edu> 
hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:

>This is an extremely dangerous
>task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the 
>violence down there.

	This says quite a bit about the situation...

>We have been unable to reach the owner
>to even know if she is alive.  We only hope that the cages were strong
>enough to protect the ferrets...

	And this speaks volumes.  

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: price@ab00.larc.nasa.gov (Mac Price)
Subject: Coral Gables Damage ?? 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:12:09 GMT

My wife is originally from Coral Gables and still has a lot of friends in 
the area.  We have heard very little about damage in this area.  Can anyone
send me information, please.

Thanks,

Mac Price
price@ab00.larc.nasa.gov

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Subject: INSTANT HOME FOR SALE  	
Keywords: TRAILER,CAMPER,HOMELESS
Reply-To: herling@crchh111.bnr.ca (Brent Herling)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 14:58:36 GMT

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