HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET (Bill Page)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: conn. to va. migration
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
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Without my notes, this is somewhat sketchy:

In ca. 1754, my ancestors, the Paulks, left Conn. for Va.
Traveling with them, or coming shortly before or shortly after
them, were several other families -- the Stearns (incl. Shubael
Stearns, a prominent Baptist preacher), the Stimsons; they were
met by men named Marshall and Breeds, I think.  Anyway, they got
to Va. just in time for the French and Indian War to break out,
and they promptly high tailed it to N.C., a safer haven.  So, at
least some Conn. to Va. migration was taking place in colonial
days -- probably a lot more than we'd expect.  Remember that
while New England was already rather heavily settled (i.e., land
was expensive), the South was more sparsely settled (land was
cheaper).

Bill Page       WRP5404@tamrigel
208 Dellwood St.
Bryan, Texas 77801      work:  409 845 1952
                        home:  409 779 2588
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Black Irish (Was Re: Black Dutch)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:49:22 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%92092813322634@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Susan Mower <SMOWER@UVMVM.BITNET> writes:
>I think I remember this phrase coming up in discussion before and
>it seems it had something to do with the Spanish armada and their
>conquests.  I remember someone mentioning "Black Irish" as being
>of Spanish and Irish heritage for the same reason.  Can anyone
>else shed any enlightenment?

wrt the Black Irish:  a person who's typically Black Irish has black hair
and blue eyes.  This shows that the person is of "pure" pre-Celtic blood,
with very little Celtic (or Viking/Icelandic) blood.  Admixture of the Moor-
ish part of the Spanish genotype would produce black hair and brown eyes,
which is not, strictly speaking, Black Irish.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 09:20:00 CDT
From: Kim Savage <U47543@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Illinois-Michigan Canal

In article <3863@randvax.rand.org>, lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln) says:
>
>In article <ROOTS-L%92100321000447@VM1.NODAK.EDU> JWD@PSUVM.BITNET writes:
>>One branch of my ancestors were among the earliest settlers in Lake
>>County IL.  A cousin sent me a clipping about the origin of Lake Forest
>>in which it states
>>"The first white families to come into this area were Irish immigrants
>>who had worked on the Illinois-Michigan canal in the Chicago area.  They
>>received farmlands in what became Lake Forest as part payment for their      e
>servic
>
The U.S. Government has designated *The Illinois and Michigan Canal Heritage
Corridor* as a part of the U.S. Parks Service.  The corridor runs from
Lake Michigan to somewhere like Ottawa(?).  There are many historical
societies, museums, and related projects in the "corridor" which are
receiving funding and attention.  I suggest starting in Lockport which
has been active in this area the longest.  There is a Historical Museum
and an old pioneer village.  Stop and have lunch at the "Landings" which
is a restaurant in a restored building a few blocks from the museum.  I
think they have some other I & M info there.


KIM SAVAGE     U47543@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
6715 W. 85TH ST., BURBANK, IL 60459
SEARCHING: ALFORD, BENHAM, BOYLES, COPELAND, GREEN, HAMBROCH, KITCHELL,
LACKEY, LONGLEY, PALMER, SAVAGE, STONE, TITTLE, VICKER, WEINER, YOUNG
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jdh9308@rigel.tamu.edu (HOOD, JONATHAN DAVIS)
Subject: infomation of British Ancesstors
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:00 GMT

I am a genealogist who is currently researching my ancesstors in Britian.
I recently found a pedigree chart that took my direct family line from early
1600's to 1272.  My family name at this time was Bradshaw and who were direct 
decendants of the "Bradshaw of Pennnington"  line.  My ancesstors were Lords of 
a manor in Landcaster County, Britian.

I would be very grateful if someone especially in Britian to write me back
with answers to the following questions:
	
	1.  How do you acquire records in Britian on your ancesstors?
	2.  How do I get records on the manor that my ancesstors were
            Lords on?
	3.  Where in England do I write to to find out the family crest of 
	    the Bradshaw line and if any of its family members were 
	    knighted?
From: margaret@sfu.ca (Margaret Sharon)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Genealogical Societies: helpful?
Keywords: genealogical societies
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:26:24 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Mike Gilson (gilsonm@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com) asks if the focus of genealogical  
societies is mainly on the geographical area they're situated in.  

Yes, any good genealogical society has as one of its two fundamental goals the  
preservation of the genealogical records of its area.  However, the other  
equally important goal is to aid its members in their genealogical research,  
regardless of where they're searching.

If you attend a meeting of your local genealogical society you'll probably find  
that not many of its members are natives of your locality, especially if it's  
in an urban area.  However, you should find that the society has several  
special interest groups for different areas: for example, an English, Irish,  
Scandinavian or East European interest group.  Here's where you'll find people  
who are searching in the same area as you and this is a terrific way to pool  
your knowledge.  

Some genealogical societies offer free beginner courses to new members.  Most  
societies have a library: this can be anything from a few boxes of books that  
someone brings to each meeting, to a separate room in a local public library or  
a completely independent facility right downtown in a large city (e.g.,  
Seattle).

Many societies also exchange their newsletters/journals with other societies.  
My local group, the BC Genealogical Society, exchanges with as many others as  
they can, anywhere in the world.  (This might mean trying to read a newsletter  
in Swedish, but that's all part of the fun!)  

Hope this will induce you into checking out your local genealogical society ...

--
Margaret M. Sharon, Academic Computing Services      margaret@sfu.ca
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby BC Canada V5A 1S6   604-291-4633
From: cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM (Cliff Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FHH130.ZIP - Family history research tutorial
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:59:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: csoftec.9209270859.AA17971
Reply-To: Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
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Readers:

Reference part of this message:

Please see below for information about requesting this file from the
Simtel20 machine and receiving it as a uuencoded file via regular mail.

Thanks to Steve, we have this file available:

> From tacom-emh1.army.mil!w8sdz Sun Sep 27 02:40:13 1992
> From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za>
> Cc: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za
> Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen
>
> I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:
>
> pd1:<msdos.genealogy>
> FHH130.ZIP      Family history research tutorial
>
> FHH130 is a hypertext tutorial program for people who want to
> research their faimily history.
>
> It is a kind of FAQ for beginners, but might also be useful for
> experienced researchers as well. It is international in scope.
>
> Uploaded by Stephen Hayes of the Editorial Department,
> University of South Africa, Pretoria
> hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za

If you do not have access to the utility ftp, you may request it be sent
to you via Email as a regular message in uuencoded format.

Just send the following one-line to:  listserv@vm1.nodak.edu

/pdget mail pd1:<msdos.genealogy>fhh130.zip uuencode

and good luck..  cliff

Cliff Manis         K4ZTF        Manis/Manes Family History
Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN
USMAIL:   P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas  78265-3937
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Variation on the "famous" - Stephen Douglas
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:10:27 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <9209301500.AA17396@ns.umb.edu> clarridge%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU writes:
>With all the recent traffic on Zachary TAylor and Jefferson Davis you've
>pushed my Stephen Douglas button.
>
>I have a Douglas line of Kentucky and Virginia.  When I got to reading
>some of my distant relatives historical accounts of the "family" published
>in those infamous county histories of the midwest, I found a reference or
>two to cousin Stephen Douglas of the Lincoln-
>Douglas debates.

Don't knock county histories! -- just don't take them word for word!
I've got good data out of them!

Melvyl says that one reference that might be helpful would be:

7.
Author: Douglas, Charles Henry James, 1856-1931.
Title:  A collection of family records : with biographical sketches, and
other memoranda of various families and individuals bearing
the name Douglas, or allied to families of that name /
compiled and edited by Charles Henry James Douglas. Providence
: E.L. Freeman & Co., 1879.
Description:    563 p., [11] leaves of plates : coat of arms, ports.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G3584.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:      CL0086000017 University Microfilms
International

Notes:  "Edition four hundred copies, of which this copy is no. 301"--P.
[8].
Pages 28-30 misnumbered 36-38.
One leaf with caption title "Andrew Hunter" tipped in at p. 519.
Two plates wanting in 1989 microform edition.
Includes bibliographical references and indexes.
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International, 1989. 7 microfiches ; 11 x 15 cm.

Subjects:       Douglas family.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G3584


Such a work would certainly mention Stephen and ramifications...

Tom
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Cousin Marriage-probability of problems
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:01:39 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

Jim Freed    JMFREED@cc.owu.edu writes:

>BUT most strains or "breeds" of animals are somewhat
>inbred already, and any "problems" that are produced are easily gotten
>rid of.  Humans are NOT domestic animals and have a tremendous variability
>in our genome from one person to the next unrelated person.

The purpose of the illustration was not to make a comparison, but to show
in an intuitive way that bad results from inbreeding are far from
inevitable.. and not all recessives are evil.

Cystic fibrosis makes your point in very modern times... but until
recently such children usually died, which, while personally tragic, did
not make the handicap a burden. The Amish are a small, well studied
group with very good family records that appear highly accurate. They
have clarified many genetic relationships because of their self imposed
isolation over many generations. As a culture, they remain robust, in
spite of almost no recruitment. Plenty of islands in the Pacific have
small populations which thrived despite a limited genetic base.

Modern medicine and a perfectionist society pose new problems,
given what we now know and now can do.

Some "debilitations" are in the eye of the beholder (or the beholding
society) -- short stature, for example.

And there are other risks in life that appar greater to me than
an occasional first cousin marriage.

Tom

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Readers:

These files will be deleted from the GENEALOG area after the 10th of October
1992.

So, if you want them, get them now....   Enough said....

  GENEALOG ACCEPT50  Accept50, Readme.1st file                     91/11/16 ALL
  GENEALOG BUFORD1   Buford, Beaford Genealogy                     91/12/16 ALL
  GENEALOG CAMPION   Campion Family History                        92/03/18 ALL
  GENEALOG CORBETT1  CORBETT Family of E. Tenn.                    91/02/24 ALL
  GENEALOG FERGUS1   49 Generations, part 1/2                      92/03/18 ALL
  GENEALOG FERGUS2   49 Generations, part 2/2                      92/03/18 ALL
  GENEALOG FHBOISEN  Boisen Family History File                    92/01/19 ALL
  GENEALOG FMMAIN    MAIN & ADAMS Family History                   92/01/27 ALL
  GENEALOG JOHNTFOX  John T Fox Family History                     92/03/18 ALL
  GENEALOG LANEGEN1  Lane Genealogy, part 1 of 2                   92/03/22 ALL
  GENEALOG LANEGEN2  Lane Genealogy, part 2 of 2                   92/03/22 ALL
  GENEALOG MANISTD   Life of Thomas DAFS MANIS                     92/07/16 ALL
  GENEALOG TESTFILE  testfile testfile testfile                    92/04/12 ALL
  GENEALOG THOMASH   Hezekiah Thomas, b 1805, VA                   91/12/29 ALL
  GENEALOG 1COLEMAN  The Peter Colman, Sr Family                   91/12/31 ALL
  GENEALOG 1EBENEZ   The Ebenezer Luther Family                    91/12/31 ALL
  GENEALOG 1HARRIMA  The George Harriman Family                    91/12/31 ALL
  GENEALOG 1JORDAN   The Elisha Jordan Family                      91/12/31 ALL
  GENEALOG 1PITSEN   Abraham Pitsenbarger Family                   91/12/31 ALL
  GENEALOG 1RODAB    The Adam Rodabaugh Family                     91/12/31 ALL

Good luck..cliff

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Pommeranian ancestors
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:50:38 GMT

JWD@PSUVM.BITNET writes:

>I am interested in finding out more about some ancestors from Pommerania.
>One of the first things I would like to do is locate their birthplaces.  One
>was born in Lietzow, Stettin, Pommerania in 1853 and the other was born in
>Sittnow, Stettin, Pommerania in 1889.  I have found Stettin, which is now in
>Poland and called Szczecin, but I cannot find Sittnow or Lietzow.  Could
>these be neighborhoods?

There are literally millions of us who have German ancestors who lived and 
died in areas East of the Oder/Neisse line. Roughly 16 million people were 
transported out of there in ethnic cleansing actions as a result of Yalta 
after WWII alone.  Today we kick Yugoslavia out of the UN for doing the same
thing on a much smaller scale.  Many of my relatives disappeared on this very
trip just as others do today in Bosnia.

In any case, there are constant pleas here for help in finding sources in
those areas. I don't think I've seen anybody here yet who has been successful 
in finding organizations on that side of the border willing to help. It is not 
exactly something they want to be reminded of. 

The area around Stettin and the city itself was 100% German.  The people were
bodily moved out by force.  They could not take anything with them except the
bare essentials. The looters were waiting at the doors or did not even bother 
to wait.

The areas you mention were probably small towns or villages in the area. It is 
quite common to list a city address as Litzow/Stettin meaning near Stettin. 
Sometimes it is written as Litzow bei Stettin. Other towns are written as 
Essen/Oldenburg meaning the village/town of Essen (I'll be there in a couple 
of weeks, yeah, yeah) in the area of the old Grand-duchy of Oldenburg.  This
is done because there are many duplicates of towns and the zip code thing did
not start until recent times.  In the above case you may know of the big city
of Essen/Ruhr.

I will be pursuing the source channel to information east of the Oder river.
So stay tuned as I find out where and how and what may be available.
Obviously this will trickle out over time.

Fred



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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Subject: legality of cousins m
Reply-To: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:12:48 EST

To: soren@crsa.bu.edu (Soren Ryherd)

SR>  Newsgroup: soc.roots
SR> Message-ID: <97419@bu.edu>
SR>    Subject: Legality of Cousins Marrying

SR>Gary Hoffman mentioned 'hybrid vigor', which got me wondering:

SR>  I'm a mix of German, English, Danish, Scots, Irish.
SR>  My wife is a mix of Hungarian, Maltese, and Ukrainian Jew.

SR>My question is, will our kids even sleep at night?
                            

Not if they're trying to document their ROOTS_L  8=) 


                      David A. Tait                              
O               @ C.R.S., Toronto, CANADA                       O
                                                                 
O Looking for the following surnames; DIBBLE, MANTON, ROBBINS,  O
  WISE, JACKSON(ENG.), JOHNSON(ENG.), HARDY, McCRORY, NIX & more 
O                                                               O

 

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From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: How to send a SASE to CANADA
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:20:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Bob Boisvert writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <19288.9210061434@csar.encore.com>
> Posted: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:34:09
>
> I know.. I know.. We've been over this before but I forgot to write it
> down...... I would like to send a request for information to a county
> in Ontario, Canada.  How can I send them postage so they don't get stuck
> with my postage bill?

Two options.  The easiest way is to go to your local post office and get an
International Postal Reply Coupon (I think that's the right name for these
things!)  Simply send that along with your letter and the recipient will be
able to trade it in for a stamp at the local Canada Post office.

If you're writing to Canada regularly, it might be a whole lot easier for you
to buy a packet of Canadian stamps and use those on your SASEs.  Easier for
you, you'll look more organized, and the people you write to won't have to
trek down to the Post Office to trade in your international coupon.

As Canadian stamps aren't generally available outside of Canada (except for
collectors' editions) you'll need to make arrangements with a Canadian if you
want to get Canadian stamps.   If you decide to do this, send me e-mail.
I'll volunteer to buy them and send them to you if you want to send me the
money for that.

One last thought: our local genealogical society has stacks of foreign stamps
available for sale to members.  You might find that your local genealogical
society does the same, so check them out first if they're nearby.

Hope this helps.

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From: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Subject: questions
Reply-To: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:01:13 EST


Hi Chris,

CM>1- I've learned my local library has the IGI.  Can someone tell what
CM>information is in this, how it's arranged and what the format is?

Having photocopied the IGI for WHIDDEN, I can state that what it records
are various birth or christening/marriage & death events for the people
listed.  Many times a bir/chr will include father and/or mother.  Some-
times a marriage will show a parent.  Deaths often don't show either
parent or spouse.  There is a reference number so you can identify the
source so be sure to ask how that system works.  This example has been
squashed to fit into 80 columns.  The fiche itself looks to be over 120
columns wide per page and the viewer/printer I used printed  most of 
four per page. (ie. all of two pages and all but the Source/Batch Serial
Sheet info on the other two pages).

WHITTON, ALICE
Country: England       County: Devon       as of Jan 1988   PAGE 40,633
Name Sex M male,F female H husband W wife T Event Town  B E S Source
          Father, mother or spouse---|    y Date  Parish      Batch Serial
                                     |    p                         Sheet
Whiddon, Ann            John Whiddon/F    C 08 Sept North Bovey C051891 
                                             1622                    0762
Whiddon, Ann            Robert Ellis W    M 05 May  Throwleigh  M051711
                                             1663                    0044
This page and following ones did not have any example for a D entry; mostly
C and M and some S and B entries.  I have seen other pages with many D
entries.

Where TYPE is explained at the bottom of the sheet as being:

A=adult christening B=birth C=christening D=death or burial F=birth or
christening of first know child (I've seen very few of these) M=marriage
N=census W=will All others=miscellaneous

Fields B E S have to do with LDS ordinances and usually contain dates but 
sometimes contain text such as INFANT, CLEARED, UNCLEARED, LIVING and others.

There is another notation at the bottom of the page:

* = Entry altered from source; #,@,>=relatives named in source.  Explanations
page 11, fiche U.  

Be sure to get an explanation of this and understand how to trace sources 
for these entries.

I have the relevant pages for UK, US and Canada except southern USA.  The
LDS FHC (Family History Center) now has a CD-ROM system so you can now get
the info in machine readable form as ASCII text or GEDCOM.  Makes it much
more worthwhile as saves typing and errors in getting the data into your
database with PAF or Brother's Keeper.

I hope this helps.  Regards, Ray

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