HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: redmond@engr.wisc.edu (Mike Redmond)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Help to find some historical statistics
Keywords: time series statistics
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:55:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct16.115559.14872
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: redmond@hobie.engr.wisc.edu


I have been looking for historical trend data about a wide range of
measures. I found just about everything I needed for time-series
statistics in a machine readable spreadsheet/database package from
CoWorks Corporation called the CoWorks Time Series Library. I found
statistics/series for GNP, world population, number of degrees granted,
number of prisoners, etc. A really broad spectrum of time series data.

There are still a few areas that I did not find in CoWorks. These are:

Statistics on computing capability per dollar time series including
MIPS/$, RAM bits/$ and Mass storage bits/$.

Statistics on banking transactions per period (day, month, year) in
time series.

Statistics on number of reservations (probably airline) per period.

I could use some help in finding appropriate sources for getting time
series data in these areas. If anyone has any leads of good sources for
these statistics and time series info, let me know.

Thanks

Mike Redmond (redmond@engr.wisc.edu)
Director  CAE, UW Madison
(608)-263-1584
From: vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:03:31 GMT

In article <19785@ector.cs.purdue.edu> cutchin@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Cutchin)  
writes, among other things:
>      What I did was select aspects of western culture; primarily mass 
>      destruction on a global scale
>      (the west has been great at mass destruction)
>      far 'superior' to other cultures.

The "west" was pretty good at mass destruction, but not particularly.
Mongols were much better: when they didn't like some people, they just
killed them off.  They were quite good at environmental destruction too:
after they went through the Central Asia, nothing was left but the desert.

BTW, I don't want to pick on Mongols, history has known far worse peoples.
I'm just unfamiliar with other examples of massive destructions on such
global scale.

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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:23:20 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <92281.081532C05705DA@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C05705DA@WUVMD writes:
> Thomas Jeffersonwas born of a southern iristocrat (sp?) who had slaves.
> Therefore, Thomas grew up with slavery as being the norm.  One of
> Thomas' early professions was farming over a thousand acres I beleive,
> which required slaves.  He took good care of his slaves, though I AM
> NOT promoting or approve of the slavery institution.  Thomas Jefferson
> found himself in a delima.  How to get rid of slavery without going
> broke?  He finally went for broke and freed his slaves.  He considered
> this to be one of his four great acheivemnets.  Thomas disliked slavery
> much more than Abraham Lincoln did.

I've read that he only freed three slaves -- the rest were sold to
cover his substantial debts.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:57:07 GMT

In article <81263@ut-emx.uucp> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) writes:
>In article <19785@ector.cs.purdue.edu> cutchin@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Cutchin)  
>writes, among other things:
>>      What I did was select aspects of western culture; primarily mass 
>>      destruction on a global scale
>>      (the west has been great at mass destruction)
>>      far 'superior' to other cultures.
>
>The "west" was pretty good at mass destruction, but not particularly.
>Mongols were much better: when they didn't like some people, they just
>killed them off.  They were quite good at environmental destruction too:
>after they went through the Central Asia, nothing was left but the desert.
>
>BTW, I don't want to pick on Mongols, history has known far worse peoples.
>I'm just unfamiliar with other examples of massive destructions on such
>global scale.

Your are wrong in defending the horrors of western exploitation by pointing
to other examples. It is utterly disgusting to compare modern day Western
exploitation to an empire that existed nearly 600 years ago. The Mongols,
however large their exploitation, destroyed very little compared to the 
Western world. You cannot say that the "Mongols were much better".
Do not say that the Mongols' exploitation of Central Asia, Eastern Europe,
and East Asia is larger than the Western World's exploitation of East Asia,
Southeast Asia, Africa, North American, South America, Latin America, 
Austrailia, and virtually every other place. Now, THAT is called GLOBAL
exploitation. However large the destruction left behind by the Mongols,
it is nothing compared to the imperialistic Western Nations of the early
21st century!






























































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  --|--|      | Mark Yeon Wook Choi             |
   /.\ |      | yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu |
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: olaf@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Q: WWI Austrian u-boats
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:13:46 GMT

Please post on the bit.listserv.history group (SUBJECT: Query,
WWI Austrian U-boots)

A friend is engaged in research into the operations in the
Adriatic Sea during World War I of submarines belonging to the
Imperial and Royal Austro-Hungarian Navy. His research so far is
based on unpublished informal photos of these U-boats and their
crews, and on the personal correspondence of the chief Austro-
Hungarian Naval officer in charge of the Unterseeboot New
Construction Division of the Imperial and Royal Ministry of War
with the Imperial German Navy on construction and delivery of the
German-built U-boats of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. He would very
much appreciate hearing from anyone having knowledge of the oper-
ations of Austro-Hungarian naval vessels, surface as well as
submarines, between 1914 and 1918.

If you can offer any suggestions, please e-mail me or snail-mail
my friend at the following address:
      John D. Harbron
      4 Elstree Rd.
      Etobicoke, Ontario
      M9A 3Z1

Many thanks.

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From: x88phipps2@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: dance of the dead
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:46:24 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

HELP!

    I'm doing a bit of poking around for fun, and need some recomendations of
books or journal articles dealing with one or more of the following:
Dances of the Dead,
the dance "Saltarello",
the myths of the Sybil.

I need stuff in either english or french,

Thanx in advance,
Y        (x88phipps@gw.wmich.edu)
Xref: sparky soc.history:8906 sci.econ:8048
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.econ
Subject: Re: What was the cause of the 1930s depression?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:02:14 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1b2o51INN67f@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
> I have a more succinct characterization.
> 
> 1) 12 years of supply side economics under 3 successive conservative Republican
>    administrations.

There's no evidence of "supply side economics" in the 1920s.  There were
tax cuts, but not because of a desire to stimulate the economy, but
because the economy was booming, and the extra revenue wasn't needed.

> 2) Deregulation with the consequent rise in speculation, and corporate greed,
>    merger-mania, wealth maldistribution and the like.

Deregulation?  No.  There was no significant deregulation in the 1920s.
There had been a dramatic increase in regulation in the progressive
era from 1900-1916, but little deregulation followed.  (Keep in mind
that much of the progressive era's regulation was supported by Big
Business.  See Gabriel Kolko's _The Triumph of Conservatism_ for a
socialist analysis of the Progressive Era).

> 3) A strong 30 or 60 year economic cycle that apparently governs your items
>    3), 4), 5), and 8), and my item 2).
> 
> Does this cycle really exist?  Well here's one test: Bush should lose the
> election by a landslide, with well under 40% of the popular vote, with the
> parallel basically being: Bush in 1992 = Hoover in 1932.

I think you have pretty well demonstrated that your politics is
preventing you from understanding history.

In any case, Hoover lost because of the Great Depression.  We don't
have one today.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:38:42 EDT

In article <1992Oct8.132818.21441@Princeton.EDU>
glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
 
>  {...}  After a long lifetime of (I think)
>sincere anti-slavery talk, Jefferson only freed a handful of slaves (all
>from the Hemings family, notably)....  He was perpetually in debt, and in
>the long run, he thought that standing by his debts was more important than
>freeing the slaves.  I think that says something about the degree of TJs
>hatred of slavery (or that, in the "plagiarized" Lockean formulation,
>"property" was more important than "liberty.")
 
Bear in mind that Virginia law prohibited Jefferson from freeing slaves
so long as he was in debt.  They were considered assets, after all.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
Xref: sparky soc.history:8877 sci.econ:8014
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.econ
Subject: Re: What was the cause of the 1930s depression?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 01:44:01 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># #Seems like the U.S. stock market crash of 1929 is commonly regarded as
># #the beginning of the great depression.  Was the crash a cause of the
># #depression, or did the crash and the depression result together from
># #some other cause, or ??? 
>#  

In article <randall.717372199@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>The commonly listed causes of the Depressions and recessions in the U.S. are:
>(in no particular order)
>1) Poor monetary policy.
>2) Poor "velocity" of money.
>3) Pyramid schemes / speculation gone bust.
>4) Poor distribution of wealth.
>5) Poor government management of fiscal policy.
>6) Lack of built-in economic stability programs.
>7) Psychology.
>8) Lack of capital.
>9) Bad trade policy.

I have a more succinct characterization.

1) 12 years of supply side economics under 3 successive conservative Republican
   administrations.
2) Deregulation with the consequent rise in speculation, and corporate greed,
   merger-mania, wealth maldistribution and the like.
3) A strong 30 or 60 year economic cycle that apparently governs your items
   3), 4), 5), and 8), and my item 2).

Does this cycle really exist?  Well here's one test: Bush should lose the
election by a landslide, with well under 40% of the popular vote, with the
parallel basically being: Bush in 1992 = Hoover in 1932.
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Enigma Codes and Alan Turing
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:49:54 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


If you really want to learn about this, start with some recent books by
David Kahn - "Kahn on Codes" for example, and follow references in there.
Also there is the journal "Cryptologia" which over the years has published
a lot about Enigma.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Xref: sparky soc.history:8917 sci.econ:8051
From: peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy)
Newsgroups: soc.history,sci.econ
Subject: Re: What was the cause of the 1930s depression?
Date: 10 Oct 1992 01:26:52 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo.crhc.uiuc.edu

markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:

| cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
| ># #Seems like the U.S. stock market crash of 1929 is commonly regarded as
| ># #the beginning of the great depression.  Was the crash a cause of the
| ># #depression, or did the crash and the depression result together from
| ># #some other cause, or ??? 

| I have a more succinct characterization.

| 1) 12 years of supply side economics under 3 successive conservative Republican
|    administrations.
| 2) Deregulation with the consequent rise in speculation, and corporate greed,
|    merger-mania, wealth maldistribution and the like.
| 3) A strong 30 or 60 year economic cycle that apparently governs your items
|    3), 4), 5), and 8), and my item 2).

| Does this cycle really exist?  Well here's one test: Bush should lose the
| election by a landslide, with well under 40% of the popular vote, with the
| parallel basically being: Bush in 1992 = Hoover in 1932.

I hate to interrupt this world of make believe....

The principle reason for the Depression was the inflation of the
money supply during the 20's.  This fueled much more speculation
than the true economy could maintain, and, when called, the true
economy couldn't pay up.

It's not that difficult.  Artificially induced booms are followed by
busts.  The longer and stronger the boom, the more severe the bust.

The actually mechanism for calling each national economy's bluff was
international currency/gold exchange.  The depth of the Great Depression
wasn't reached until Britain "folded" by dropping the gold standard
entirely in 1931.

This caused a run on US gold, being the only nation still on the gold
standard, at a greatly undervalued exchange rate due to the preceding
inflation.  The reaction by the Fed was the raising of interest rates
(just like in Britain very recently)--the worst thing that can happen
in a depression.  A new wave of banks failed, and the US entered the
darkest depths of '32-'33.  FDR suspended gold payments in '33.

Now to return to the world of make believe, there are many near-
parallels between the 20's and the 80's.  In the 20's, there was
a large growth in the money supply.  In the 80's it was and is a
large growth in the _future_ money supply (in form of debt).  Also
the similarities between Bush and Hoover are, I'll admit, staggering.

However, a rant about "deregulation" and "merger mania" and "supply
side economics" in the 20's needs a little more substantiation than
a landslide victory for Clinton, no?

Mike Peercy
peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu
From: rrothaus@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Richard Rothaus)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: What does BC really mean?
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:04:23 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

I posted a similar inquiry a few days ago and have since found an answer.  The
dating system A.D. (anno domini) was popularized by Bede in the early Middle
Ages.  It was not until the enlightenment that anyone felt a need to develop a
similar system for the period before Christ.  Prior to the enlightenment
scholars "knew" the world began about 4000 yrs before the birth of Christ and
thus dated with A.M.--anno mundi--the year of the world.  The 4000 yrs before
Christ was seriously challenged during the enlightenment and a French scholar
used a new dating system that paralleled the A.D. system except backward.  He
introduced this in a French textbook in the 17th century using a.C.  (apres
Christ) which was adopted by English speaking scholars as B.C.
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:04:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <CB.92Oct7123627@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Someone at Washington University writes:
>
>   Thomas [Jefferson] disliked slavery much more than 
>   Abraham Lincoln did.
>
>This statement is ridiculous: unsupported, unmeasurable, untrue.
>
>Chris Brewster
>cb@cray.com

Care to elaborate on your so far unfounded, unsupported, untrue
statement? I have read both Fawn Brodie's book and various other sources
dealing with Jefferson's attitude toward slavery and I don't find the
original statement wholly wrong. Maybe you  can disprove that?







		  Alex.
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Enigma Codes and Alan Turing
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:42:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Oct10.000432.16415@u.washington.edu> griffin@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin) writes:

>Quote from I.J. Good, Cambridge University mathematician, in
>his lecture titled "Early Work on Computers at Benchley" (the site of
>the code-breaking team was Benchley Park). Please note that the
>word >bombe< refers to the code-breaking machine.

Actually, it's "Bletchley Park"; Bletchley is near Milton Keynes in
Buckinghamshire and the site where the work took place has recently
been fought over by councils and conservationists - there was a
proposal to turn the huts where the code-breakers worked into a museuum
but I seem to remember reading that the plan had been rejected and the
site is now likely to become a supermarket!

I have the (excellent) Hodges book on my bookshelf here so I can give
the full reference:  Andrew Hodges "Alan Turing: The Enigma of
Intelligence" ISBN 0-04-510060-8

My copy is an Unwin paperback; a reprinting of the 1983 text. I've seen
copies of a more up-to-date version with some significant revisions, so
you should try to get this if possible.

Turing was only one of many working on the project, so although he was
one of the most important members (I believe he headed the section
working on Naval codes) it's probably unfair to the many others
involved to say that his were the most important contributions. In
particular, the provision of an Enigma machine by the Poles must be of
supreme importance. I believe there were lots of different codes and
variation of the machines used by different branches of the German
military, so codes were constantly being broken and then improved.

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
From: janm@Madrid.docs.uu.se (Jan Mattsson)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Enigma Codes and Alan Turing
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:19:00 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Reply-To: janm@bern.docs.uu.se
NNTP-Posting-Host: madrid.docs.uu.se
Organisation: CS Dept., Uppsala University, Sweden

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>#Did the Allies capture a code-book?

>I think they only captured the machine, but not the code-book,
>so a lot of work was necessary to break the code. If I am not
>mistaken they got it when a German submarine surrendered.

They captured both machines and keys from German ships and subs.
They didn't really *need* to capture machines. The Poles discovered
how it worked in 1934.

--
Jan Mattsson, CS student, Uppsala University, Sweden
janm@bern.docs.uu.se or janm@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:12:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81638
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Oct6.152054.18015@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin) writes:
>OK. The Chinese invented gun-powder, but did not use them in war.

Gun powder was used in war by Chinese.  The Southern Sung invented 
elaborate weapons using gunpowder, which were adopted by the Mongols
of the Yuan dynasty.  Artillery was used heavily in the Qing overthrew
of the Ming dynasty.

It is true that China did not develop military technology to the level
of the Europeans, but that seems to be because of politics.  Until the
coming of the British, China had no reason to develop military
technology.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: What does BC really mean?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 20:33:56 GMT


wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:

>I'm bothered by the fact that there is no year zero in the A.D. B.C scheme.
>I'd assumed that this happened because the scheme was created before 
>the zero was in common use in the west.

I doubt that that is the reason. The B.C./A.D. dating scheme is not one
absolute method of assigning dates; rather it is a combination of two
relative methods of assigning dates. Thus in the manner of previous
relative systems (e.g. "the first year of the emperor Trajan", etc.),
there is no year zero. There is just a year 1 in each scheme, whose
dates increase in opposing order with regard to an absolute time line.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610

Newsgroups: soc.history
From: west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West)
Subject: HELP NEEDED for pre-cival war American History [ASAP]
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:36:43 GMT

   I'm currently taking per-cival war American History from prof. Chipman (for
those of you at UNT).  I would really appreciate it if someone could recomend
some form of "clif's notes" for this subject.  A list of the major players
in colinization and their roles.  The major differences during colinization,
etc etc.  I'm taking a test shortly on pre-revolution history - but would
like some helpful tips for this area (this coming test) and the entire
course.


You help is greatly appreciated.  Please respond by mail since I need this
info ASAP (craming).  Thanks.

Ciao...





                                 - Jason West, strugling CSCI student in history

Newsgroups: soc.history
From: dmarti@dsy-srv3.cern.ch (Marti Didier /ECP/PES)
Subject: Re: What does BC really mean?
Reply-To: dmarti@dsy-srv3.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:36:16 GMT


Actually french people simply write:
	av. JC,   standing for "avant Jesus-Christ" (BC)
	ap. JC,   standing for "apres Jesus-Christ" (After Jesus-Christ: AD)
DM