From: steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:00:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.183058.21079@cc.gatech.edu>, erica@cc.gatech.edu (Erica Liebman Sadun) writes:
> (2) What the HECK are the Aelfin and Elfin up to.  Why can't they stand
> 	iron or music or light?  And why does it occur to me that
> 	neither the tinks nor the aiels carry swords (iron)? And what
> 	are the implications of Mat carrying the steel ("well heck it's not
> 	iron") into one of the gates. Remember, Rand is supposed to break
> 	swords and turn 'em into leaves. (way thereof?) and the Aiel
> 	and the Tinks neither carry swords.

OK, as I see it the Aelfin and Elfin are sort of along the lines of 
traditional faerie, hate iron et al., and probably aligned with the
Dark One, since they seem to let his servants come and go as they please.
Either that or they let him come and go 'cause he has enough respect/power
that they leave him alone for the most part.

The tinks do carry iron, just not weapons (way of the leaf), and the Aiel
don't carry swords as a throwback to when they are one with the tinks and
didn't carry any weapons.

> (5) Why is Tigraine and not Breyan the mother of Rand?  I'm a bit confused
> 	on this.  Remember that Luc/Isam looks an awful lot like Rand (same
> 	mom?, indicating Breyan) and an awful lot like Lan (cousined dad). 
> 	You'd imagine that he'd have to have blood from both.

I am not sure why it *is* Tigraine, but Breyan is a Darkfriend, and as such
would probably not be found in the Maidens of the Spear, which is the last
place Rand's mother was before she got killed in the Aiel war.

> (6) >>10. The three women looking over Rand at the end (where he dies, 
>     >> hopefully old) are Elayne, Min and Lanfear. Just my guess.
>      >I'd ditch Lanfear and add Aviendha, judging by Rand's dream.  I do
>      >hope Jordan handles Lanfear well, or we could get some serious
>      >cliche action around Book 7.
>     I dunno about Aviendha.  The reason is that we know that the third one is
>     blond and from a farm.  Selene/Mierin/Lanfear may fit that mold.  (Boy!
>     Imagine THOSE catfights!)  Anyway, we are pretty sure that they all end up
>     married to him because Elayne relates that Min told her she would have two 
>     co-wives.

Blonde?  Don't recall that one.  And Selene is dark haired.  All I can recall
on the three wives bit was that one of them was unknown to any of them,
which fits Aviendha to a 'T'.

> (7) >Random guess: I think Gaebril is Rahvin, from the events when Mat
>     >delivered the letter and from Moghedien's comments on Rahvin.  As he
>     >apparently came from the direction of the Manetheren waygate, he may
>     >be unable to Travel, making him one of the weaker Forsaken.
>     Who are these people?  For that matter, exactly how many forsaken are there
>     and have we met or killed them all yet?

OK, Mat goes to give a letter to Morgase from Elayne, and sees Morgase acting
like a love sick puppy over Gaebril.  Then, Mat sees Gaebril alone, acting in
a not so nice manner (approximation on that last part).  From this, it is pretty
obvious that Gaebril == one of the Forsaken.  It is just an educated guess
that it is Rahvin.

As for the Forsaken, there are (or was) thirteen of them.  The tallys are:

		2 killed at the Eye of the World
		Lanfear still roaming free
		One killed (?) in the Stone of Tear
		One caught and "gentled" (sorta) by Rand to teach him how
		   to use the one power.
		One playing lovebird with Morgase
		One got her butt whipped by Nynaeve when they raided that
		   hall-thingy in the last book.

Those are all I can recall at this time....

-darkelf
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