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From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Subject: `correct` usage of words
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Originator: Mughal@Iago.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:31:00 GMT

I am concerned about the use of the word "mosque".  Quite often I see 
Muslims get upset at seeing "Koran" instead of "Quran" and also "Moslem" 
instead of "Muslim".  It would seem then that a number of us would also be 
upset at the use of the word "Mosque" instead of "Masjid".

I'd be interested in getting an indication on how people feel about the 
use of the word (on the net).  Is it highly offensive or merely annoying?  
Do you think there is something 'formal' we should be doing about it?   

Thanks
G
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: MONITOR: soc.culture.usa (On Media/Sex/Violence)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:44:03 GMT
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu


Here is the second posting of the NEWSGROUP MONITOR effort.  A bit of subtle
Daaw'aa could be used in this case.  I encourage all the readers to give
some views on how Islam may deal with this situation.

All those participating brothers and sisters, kindly submit any articles to SRI
or myself so that we can get this effort on wheels.

Jazak Allah Khairan,

Sharaaz Khan
 
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>From eco.twg.com!psinntp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!jsast Tue Apr  7 09:25:16 PDT 1992
Article: 2560 of soc.culture.usa
From: jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson)
Newsgroups: SOC.CULTURE.USA
Subject: Media Violence (was Re: Oscar Revulsion)
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Date: 6 Apr 92 17:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

OK.  Most of the people here agree that there is way too much violence in
the movies and on TV.  I don't think it takes a great leap of logic to say
that all this violence must have some type of negative psychological effect on
the American psyche.  I think there are really two issues that have to
be addressed:

	1) Is the effect a serious enough threat to our society that
	some action should be taken?

	2) If any, what action should we take?

My opinions:

I don't believe that societies' violence and the media's portrayal of violence
have a very strict cause and effect relationship.  Saying that the media
has no effect on us psychologically would be naive, but at the same time,
I don't believe I'm going to become a serial killer or mass rapist from 
watching movies.  I think the two have a mutual relationship.  The media
makes an attempt to portray what is happenning in our society, and thus
influences some of the same people they are trying to portray.  In other
words, we have created a spiral which might be rather difficult to break out
of.

As far as the solution, I can't say I can think of one.  We could put a limit
on what type of violence may be shown, but there is already enough 
censorship in our society as it is.  In my opinion, I think some violence is
necessary to show the reality of life as we know it.  However, I think many
artists have stepped over the line in order to glorify that violence, and
not to portray reality.  I will, however, readily admit that my taste in
art is different from many.  So what do we do?  Rating systems on movies
don't seem to do much.  When I was under 17, it was an easy thing to get
into any movie I wanted to see.  Besides, there is enough violence on
prime time TV to keep our children going for years.

Any suggestions?  How is the problem handled in other cultures?  Are there
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
many other cultures with a similar problem? (If indeed, it is a problem)

-Jon Anderson


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  Jon Anderson                                      jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu
      "Won't you look down upon me Jesus, you gotta help me make a stand,
       You've just got to see me through another day.
       My body's aching and my time is at hand,
       And I won't make it any other way. "                 -James Taylor
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From: tdn7039@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (THOMAS NGUYEN)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: ALM
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:09:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40
Originator: Mughal@Iago.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)


Hi, 
I am new here. I am not a Muslim and I do not go to 
the mosque neither. However, I do read
the Qur'an in my free time.
  I have a question regarding the three letters A L M  appear in 
the Koran. What do they mean, exactly?
  Thanks.

===========================================
Thomas Nguyen   Rochester  NY             *
VAX/VAS  in%"tdn7039@ritvax.isc.rit.edu"  *
From: samir@sphinx.rtp.dg.com (M. Yasser Samir)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: SUDAN..You're Bad, Bad, and Bad
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:22:41 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu


           In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
 
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam and in humanty,
 
        May peac, mercy, and blessing from Allah be upon you all
 
 
 
     Recently, one of my co-workers, who is a devoted Christian (Southern
Baptist) took a year off work, as leave of absense, in order to go to Sudan
with his pregnant wife and a little baby girl, as a missionary.
 
     Personally, I did talk with him a lot about Christianty Vs. Islam and the
similarties and differences between them for over a year.  Mainly it was about
Christianity because he doesn't know much about Islam.  I even was one of the
people who attended his Bible study group at work, once a week, for over 
6 months.
Readers who know me, realize that I enjoy the subject of comparative religions.
As I said, he is a Christian missionary, who to my knowledge had gone before to
Muslim lands, like Kenya, through his reliogious organization.
 
     Today, I just knew that he came back from Sudan after 2 weeks only.  So, I
went to his office to say hello, and to check of what happenend.  
He told me that the environment was so much different than U.S.(
dusty, dirty, unorganized, missy).
Also, it was a big shock with the very hot whether, specially for his wife, who
never been in that area before.  Despite the fact of poverty and starvation of
people in there.  By the way he was in Khartoum (the capital).
 
     I'm writing this because told me that the government is practicing 
some kind of a cruel attitude towards minorities specially "Christians".  
For example : some people from the south migrated north running away from
the bad condition down there.  So, the government put them in camps 
out side of Khartoum in a very harsh
unhuman situations.  They didn't stop at that, but they didn't supply families
with food and other necessities for living, if they refuse to become Muslims. 
What about those families who refused to be converted to Islam? I asked, because
it did make much sence to me in the first place.  The answer was ; 
they let go to the desert and die.
 
     To my knowledge; the government in Sudan is trying to istablish an 
Islamic system to be the example to the rest of the area, but unfortunately, 
I don't have much information about what is going on there.
 
     Does any one of you out there, know anything about these allegations?
     Please reply to me ASAP, if you have some information to share with me.
 
         May peac, mercy, and blessing from Allah be upon you all
 
 
 
Your brother in Islam
Mohamed Yasser Samir
Tel : (919) 248-6266
Fax : (919) 248-6352
 
 
  P.S.  I did take his permission to post this article.  Also, I'm NOT
        responsible about those allegations in part or in full.  Those
        are his words.  I'm just trying to verify what he is saying,
        because as I said; it sound strange to me.
From: obaidr@bullet.ecf (OBAID ARIF)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Islamic Univ. in Islamabad, Pakistan
Date: 1 Apr 92 20:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Originator: obaidr@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

B
o
Dose anyone know the address of the Islamic Univ. in Islamabad?
I am interested in taking some summer courses there in Islamic Studies
this summer.  Any info will be useful. 

Please e-mail me at the following address:
			obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu

Jazak Allah

Assalamu Alaikum
Arif obaid
From: ryanr@CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Billy Graham carrying message from the Pope
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:46:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Recently some one wrote something about leaving her former church.
I guess I was just a little curious if she ever chose another church,
denomination, etc.
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From: gt5599d@prism.gatech.edu (gt5599d TOLBERT,JASON ALAN)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Paul: Did he meet Jesus?
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:59:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Did Paul ever meet Jesus in the flesh?

How did the early churches come to respect a man so much that he influenced
the New Testament many times as much as any of Jesus's original 12 disciples?


Jason


-- 
"True peace is not the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice"
- Martin Luther King, Jr     
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt5599d
ARPA: gt5599d@prism.gatech.edu 				Jason Tolbert

[Paul's only direct contact with Jesus was in the encounter at his
conversion.  That's probably not what you meant by "in the flesh".
I'll let our readers try the second half of your question.  --clh]
From: jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Manuscripts and Bible Versions
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:32:10 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I would imagine that not all Bible versions are from the same 
manuscripts. What I'm looking for, is the information that 
describes what manuscripts were used to create Bible versions 
such as NIV, NAS, AV, etc. Is this information in one location
or many? Where/how can I obtain this information?

Something I read the other day:

	Youth looks ahead,
	Old age looks back,
	And middle age looks tired.

At 32, sometimes I get the feeling I'm "too tired."

-- 
Jim Loucks           jloucks@uts.amdahl.com 
{apple, pyramid, sun, uunet}!amdahl!jloucks

[This most detailed treatment I've seen is Philip W. Comfort's book,
"Early Manuscripts and Modern Translations of the New Testament".
This is a detailed review of recent discoveries of NT papyrii and a
careful review of how a number of translations have made use of them.
Note that translations are not made directly from early manuscripts.
Instead, they use critical editions, which summarize the readings in a
large number of manuscripts.  As I recall, the AV is based primarily
on Erasmus' Greek NT, which used only fairly late manuscripts.  All
the 20th Cent. translations have access to the 4th and 5th Cent.
documents such as Vaticanus, but the earlier papyrii have only been
used fairly recently.  Specifically, RV and ASV used the 19th Cent.
documents, which were based on Vaticanus and Siniaticus. RSV uses
Nestle's 17th (1941), and is the first one to have major papyrii
available.  NASV uses Nestle's 23rd (1957).  NIV and TEV use UBS 1
(1966). NEB and JB use an eclectic text, and NRSV a draft of UBS 4.
For details of how much they actually used the papyrii available to
them (summary: not as much as they should have), see Comfort's book.
I don't know anything about textual matters relating to the OT. --clh]
From: tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Coptic Church and Monophysitism
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:34:53 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <Apr.10.23.21.01.1992.12670@dumas.rutgers.edu> jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes:
>>I personally would be interested in hearing more about the Coptic
>>Orthodox religion, if you would like to talk about it.  Email is fine
>>if you prefer.
>>I am particularly interested in things liturgical.  What liturgy do
>>you presently use?  Is it in a sacred language?

>I'll bet there's a lot of interest to hear more.  Post here if you
>care to!


I talked with a friend who is Coptic Orthodox...They use the liturgy of
St. Mark and some parts are in Arabic, sometimes in Syriac.  

I attended liturgy in a Coptic Orthodox church in northern Virginia
several years ago.   The deacons act as chantors and they use an icon
screen like the other Orthodox.   The priest was a hieromonk (priest-monk),
and he removed his shoes before entering the sanctuary, in accordance with
monastic tradition of the east.  The blessings were done with a hand cross,
not with the hand (in most traditions of the east, only a bishop uses
the hand cross and in some Slavic traditions the priest uses the hand 
cross only for the final blessing).

As for hierarchy, the Coptic Orthodox head has the title of pope,
and he is a successor to St. Mark the Apostle.  I don't know if
Pope Shenouda III is still Pope, but I have some of his books and
they are very good for meditation.  He is very spiritual.  

Tom
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Orthodox Newsgroup
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:47:50 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia

mmarkish@feds46.prime.com (Mark Markish x2799) writes:

>Subscribe to the     ORTHODOX   on  LISTSERV@indycms.iupui.edu :

>Send a message to LISTSERV@indycms.iupui.edu ,
>having as the first line the following:

>SUB ORTHODOX <your full name>

Is this orthodox or Orthodox? Please mail reply (holiday time).

-ricko

[Not to mention, orthodox what?  Jewish Orthodox? Greek Orthodox?
--clh]
From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: What can Catholics it on Good Friday?
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:01:52 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

Well, as you can quite imagine, the meats that you mentioned are, in fact,
correct.  Poultry is also considered meat. 

 I grew up in a staunch Catholic family.  I was satisfied with the not eating meat
on ANY Friday, not just Good Friday.  But, since I have been here at college, I
have become a Christian.  One particularly disturbing thing that I have
read was in 1 Timothy 4.  Please forgive the paraphrasing...you can read it
if you'd like.  It is in verses 1-5.  Basically, it says to beware of the
false prophet who in later times will forbid marriage and the eating of
certain foods which God has created to be taken with a glad heart.

This really bothered me.  Is this saying that the Catholic church is what
is being spoken of????  Any insight that anyone may have would be appreciated.
Please reply to:

motto@castor.cs.bucknell.edu

Thank you all!  

-A troubled young Christian

[Of course prayer and fasting go together in the Bible many times.  My
feeling is that Tim was not talking about temporary abstinence in a
fast, but actually prohibiting certain kinds of food.  Of course for
Paul the most likely reference is the Judaizers he was constantly
fighting, who wanted to impose Kosher laws on Gentile Christians.
Whether it's right for the Church to impose fasting on a regular basis
as a matter of law is something that can be debated, but I wouldn't
want to see Tim. quoted as prohibiting at least voluntary fasting.

Similarly with celibacy. Paul himself clearly approved of individuals
not marrying in order to dedicate themselves to God.  Again, there is
a serious issue as to whether this should be imposed as a requirement
on all clergy, but I wouldn't want to see Tim quoted as prohibiting
someone from undertaking a celibate life in order if they see it as
helping them to carry out God's work.

Note that there were some sects that actually did prohibit marriage,
or at least considered people who married to be Christians of an
inferior class.  I'm thinking of the Cathars and those influenced by
them.

--clh]
From: superc@sam.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: dealin w/atheist
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:31:49 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University

Keywords: dealin with atheist

hi, i'm new to this newsgroup. i have been a christian since mid 1989, and
lately, i have comeupopn a person who has presented me with some rather
subversive questions dealing with god. and i dont have the answers for some of
them, those of which i'm listing here:
 1. hypothetical situation: let's say that there is a group of people on an
island who never hear the gospel in their lifetime. they die and go to hell.
(athiest's question) "is that supposed to be some kind of a just god???"

 2. why is accepting Christ any diffe3rent than any other religion, because you
still have to "do something" to an extent.???   (i tried to explain to him that
christianity is a relationship, not a religion, in that in religion you are
striving, doing, trying, having to go it on your own to make it to a farcical
heaven which is actually hell, but in christianity, you have a personal
realationship with Christi and He sends the3 Holy Ghost to guide and lead you,
etc, etc.)

 3. what makes the bible any more acceptable than any other 2000 year old book???
(i tried to explain him how many copies, etc. make the bible more historically
credible, than , say the Illiad (by homer?)...i got it out of evidence that
demands a verdict by josh mcdowell, a most excellent dude)!

  anyways, here are some of the main questions, but the principal one is: WHY
DOES GOD ALLO SUFFERING AND PAIN IN THIS WORLD? ?? i tried to tell him that satan
is the ruler of this present world system, because of the adam and eve stuff,
etc. but the dude just wont accept the bible as credible in the first place. i
try to explain to him that GOd is not willing that any should perish, but then he
brings up hypothetical situation number 1 (above). 


 are there any true bible scholars who read this newsgroup??? if so, i'd really
appreciate a direct email to my address, or a followup on this news network, as
i'm sure we've all had and are going to have more runins with atheists. 
 
   thanks for any and all who respond...in christ, shawn e chase 1cor 15:57,58...
From: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Christianity's spread
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:27:18 GMT
Reply-To: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>Christianity started in the Middle East one might say.  How come Europe has 
>been virtually the only agent for spreading Christianity?

[Short answer: Christianity spread through the Roman Empire, and
>eventually became Roman.  European civilization is the successor to
>Rome.  Of course it also spread through the area now covered by the
>Orthodox churches.  I don't know whether you consider that Europe or
>not.  There are now evangelistic efforts based in non-European
>countries.  Our church hosted a Korean-speaking congregation whose
>pastor was a missionary from Korea.  --clh]

This is a very good question and I've been meaning to ask about
this myself sometimes and again.

Also, FYI, during the first century A.D., the world was nearly
divided between two major empires--the Roman Empire and the
T'ang Dynasty of China.  Trade between the two empires was quite
common place and the Hebrew lands were right smack in the middle
of the cross-roads and sea-lanes.  I forget the details of the history
and will look it up Friday but remember that Christianity did
make it to China before the end of the first century where it
DID flourish until getting wiped out a couple centuries later.
You will notice that the Dead Sea Scrolls were partly categorized 
using Chinese characters.  These Chinese characters were 
written by non-Chinese as most scholars of calligraphy can
testify.  But the type of characters and the age of those
characters coincide with the right time period.

Whereas the rest of the world, I vaguely remember legends of
the apostle Thomas making it to Pakistan or India and the apostle
Matthew making it to Ethiopia or Kenya.  I think they lost their
lives in those places too.

It is debatable how Christianity existed before Christ.  Nevertheless,
the Hebrew traditions and stories made it to China as well many
many centuries B.C.  You will find records of the prophecies and
concepts of "Shang Di" (meaning the creator God) of the OT in
ancient Chinese records.  The good news is serious Dark Ages during
the Western world's time did not affect the Far East that much.
The bad news is the Far East has been undergoing something that
resembles the Dark Ages this past two centuries.  You will recall
from history books that during the Western Dark Ages, libraries
survived thanks to the populations of the Middle East.  But one will
now realize that any ancient Chinese records will now be even more 
difficult to look at no thanks to Mao Tse-tung and the communist
revolutions.  I think the Library of Congress now boasts the world's
largest collection of Asian literature.  

Terence
From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Where did the story of Satan's fall, etc., come from?
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sylvia+@cs.cmu.edu (Sylvia Berry) writes:

>In article <Apr.2.01.07.52.1992.9189@dartagnan.rutgers.edu> davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies) writes:
>>
>>	
>>	I remember reading stuff like this in Milton's Paradise Lost.  I've
>>no idea if this was the original story, though.  I don't have any basis for
>>thinking that Milton's work was definitely inspired (ie., it's not in the
>>Bible), but he did CLAIM that it was from a "muse" (I'm not even sure what
>>that is!) that revealed God's word to him, I believe.  That is, I think Milton
>>*thought* he was a prophet in the same sense that Paul believed himself to
>>be.

NO, NO, NO.(special thanks to my Senior year British Lit teacher. Milton was
writing what can best be described as a 'mock epic'.  All the great Epics in
those days started out with the artist asking one of the Muses(the Muses were  
nine beings which supposedly inspired the 'artists'(sculptures, painters, 
writers, etc.) to do their work.  When Milton says it was a Muse, he is just
following this tradition.  However, what was revealed to him, because this was
a Christian story, was 'the word of God'.  It's more of a Literary thing than
anything else. Or else my teacher was completely wrong! :)
Joe

-- 
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