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From: HANKINS@PKEDVM8.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:50:33 EDT
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: More NLP Info Wanted

I recently read a book on autohypnosis and it recommended as a signaling
technique to communicate with the (alleged) subconscious mind - a
pendulum.

What one does is to rest one's elbow on a surface with forearm nearly
vertical, allow hand to drop, and dangle the pendulum from thumb and
forefinger.

One should consciously try to hold the bob still.  Thus any swinging of
the bob would allegedly come from the subconscious.

There would then be four signals: north-south swings, east-west swings,
clockwise and counterclockwise.  One would ask the subconscious what
each of the signals means ('yes', 'no', 'I don't know', 'I would rather
not answer that').

My question is this:  Is this a reasonable alternative to the signals
I've read about in NLP books which discuss six-step reframing?

I've been getting good results with it for autohypnosis, and it has
the advantage that the signals are unmistakable; I'm really trying to
hold the bob still, and when that sucker swings it does so
unmistakably.


Dan Hankins
hankins@pkedvm8.vnet.ibm.com
dan-hankins@cup.portal.com

Information transmission is distorted in proportion to the sender's fear
of the receiver.
From: Christina.Ryan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Christina Ryan)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Political psychology, again
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:48:43 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Wups!  I should hang out my learner's plate on this post.

Anyway, what I was interested in is information about
riots, especially about the psychological conditions necessary 
for people to riot.

Of course I really did mean to dazzle people with my
subtle wit :-), in my earlier attempt at a post.

Thank you,
Christina
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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: a question on subjective vs. real duration of dreams
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:48:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <1992Oct9.153554.16204@husc3.harvard.edu>
mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) writes:

       A friend of mine is in an intro to psychology class, and their
   professor asked a question on an exam which read something to the
   effect of: "Dreams, in real time, are of the same duration as they
   appear subjectively to be; true or false?". She says the right answer
   is True. Is it? 

There is good evidence that this is true.  Stephen LaBerge has done
research at Stanford in which a dreamer who knows that they are
dreaming (a lucid dreamer) signals, counts to ten, then signals again.
The measured period is the same as the estimated period when awake.
(Note: the signaling is done by eye signals measured on a polygraph).

Measurements on non-lucid dreams are a bit harder.  In at least one
case, when a polygraph measured a number of left-right, left-right eye
movements, the dreamer reported watching a ping pong game.  The eye
movements were consistent with an actual ping pong exchange.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM: Working Techniques?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:47:16 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
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Terilyn Gillespie (tg0r+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.sci.psychology: 9-Oct-92 Re: HYPNOTISM: Working
> Tec.. Jeff Spiegel 4291@lsil.c (2142)
> 
>> The basic steps to hypnosis are to:
> .....
> (Rest deleted for brevity)
> 
> Aside from the step of providing suggestions to improve your life, how
> (is?)  is this approach different from meditation?
> 

This is a good question.  It would probably make a good Ph'd thesis.  
Hypnosis involves a release of self-control to an external source.  In my
case, this is the script being played on a tape recorder.  In other cases, it
may be a hypnotist or some other repetitive sensory input.  The experience
under hypnosis involves a lot of self-talk.  The actual hypnotic frame of mind
can be recognized when one experiences autonomous muscle control and lucid
visualization. 

From my experience with meditation using a mantra, the hypnotic approach 
provides a faster means for entering the semi-conscious state.  One can also
develop recursive techniques for taking oneself under.  For example, one
can provide the following series of suggestions:

    1. I am going to let myself completely relax now.
    2. The more I relax the better I feel.
    3. I am going to let any stray thoughts in my mind leave with every breath.
    4. Each breath I breath in brings clean healing energy into my body
       and makes me relax further.

When one is entering the hypnotic state one concentrates and releases oneself
to the suggestions.  One lets oneself believe that they are true and repeats
them until they are fulfilled in one's mind.

Overall, I believe it is possible to combine techniques of meditation and
hypnosis.  Meditative physical positions and mental focusing techniques
can be applied during the hypnotic experience.  In fact, hypnosis may provide
a structure for improving meditative techniques.


js
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: Christina.Ryan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Christina Ryan)
Subject: Political psychology
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:22:36 GMT


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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike Re: NLP and what the .... etc.
Keywords: science sense nonsense sixth-sense psychology astronomy
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:30:51 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Lee Lady writes:
> The "Until you have rigorous proof, we're not
> even willing to discuss your hypothesis, much less investigate it"
> approach produces science that doesn't go anywhere.

OK.  How about the "I'm equally interested in reliable and unreliable
accounts" approach?  Where does it go?

There's a big difference between interest in new areas and uncritical
evaluation of claims.  An open mind does not equate to an empty mind.
Not all accounts merit our interest equally.

> The proponent/skeptic model sees science as like a debate or court
> case in which the important thing is to get victory for one's side.

Not at all.  The skeptic isn't a plaintiff, wins nothing if the claim
isn't accepted.  The proponent isn't a defendant, loses nothing if the
claim isn't accepted; rather, she's exactly where she started.  Both
sides win by agreeing on standards for acceptance of claims, by
examination of evidence, and by preferring the stronger evidence over
the weaker.

Burden of proof doesn't mean the proponent starts at a disadvantage;
rather, she has the opportunity to present her claim.  But we'd be
fools to switch the burden of proof to the skeptic.  "Believe anything
and everything anyone tells you unless you can prove it false"?  I
think not.

> A skeptic posts an article, for instance, asserting that academic
> psychology is totally worthless, useless and not a real science.  His
> article makes it quite clear that he doesn't have the slightest idea
> what psychology is and has never had a course in it or read a text.

A different matter.  Arguments which merely show an insufficient
knowledge of the subject are equally invalid whether made by a
proponent or a skeptic (and equally a waste of everyone's time).

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: faype@bcvms.bc.edu
Subject: Re: FMS
Organization: Boston College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:26:11 GMT

Could someone please mail me the series of posts on "FMS"?  I missed them 
and they were deleted on my system.  Mucho gracias.

(faype@bcvms.bc.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: feizal@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu ()
Subject: Lack of confidence
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:17:22 GMT

Hi

I am not sure whether guys would appreciate this mail.

I think I am suffering from a serious lack of confidence and
I panic a lot. I become extremely nervous and feel uneasy
at public gatherings. I get extremely frustrated if I am ridiculed
for a silly mistake and become depressed and condemn myself for
making that mistake.

I have tried analysing my problem and figured that a very
strict and overprotective upbringing could be a factor.
An upbringing were bad grades are not tolerated and
one is rebuked for minor mistakes. But at the same time 
indulging in over-pampering.

BTW, I am doing fine both at school and at work.


I guess a lot of you guys must be GURUS of psychology
and could throw some light on my problem. I would appreciate
to you would reply to my query at:

feizal@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu


Thanks a lot


Feizal
Graphics Group
Center For High Performance Computing
Austin, TX

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From: DONAHOE@acsnovell1.uta.edu (Sean Donahoe)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Forwarded message
Date: 12 Oct 1992 13:23:30 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
To: donahoe
From:     Sean Donahoe <ACSNOVELL1/DONAHOE>
Date:     12 Oct 92 13:16:48 CST
Subject:
From: DONAHOE@acsnovell1.uta.edu (Sean Donahoe)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Zoloft?
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:52:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: donahoe@acsnovell1.uta.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

    I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
thinks), and all that is marked on the prescription bottle, (besides
the doctor's name, dosage, and her name) is the word ZOLOFT.  I have
tried to find this in the 1992 editions of the PDR, Merck's, USAN,
AHFS, and other guides.  There seems to be no entry as either a
product name or generic name.  Also, no phychotropic listings that
are even closely spelled or phonectically close to ZOLOFT.  Anyone
know what this stuff is?  It really alters her mood (makes her horny
as a mink).  Really like some info on contraindications and
interactions.
Sean Donahoe              | The opinions expressed here represent
donahoe@acsnovell1.uta.edu| a portion of the opinions of the UTA
University of TX@Arlington| student body.
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Xref: sparky sci.psychology:4059 talk.religion.misc:17903
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist shrink: a sting operation
Keywords: fundamentalism;brainwashing;child-abuse;parental rights
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:35:54 GMT
Followup-To: sci.psychology
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) gives a good deal of advice that sounds
sensible.  Unfortunately I'm not sure whether the approach he suggests
is going to work.  He suggests looking at whether the bogus
witch-hunter is properly licensed, taking legal action, etc.  What
bothers me about this approach is that you might win battles and lose
the war.  There seems to be a tendency these days for people, even in
the law-enforcement community, to be very creduluous about claims of
child abuse, whether Satanic or otherwise.  Someone who is accused can
be ultimately vindicated, but lose his job and his family in the
process.  Certainly if a family member is being held against their
will, legal process makes sense.  But if they have accepted the bogus
diagnosis and become convinced that this abuse did occur, things get
very messy indeed.  Since both the person concerned and her husband
are (if I remember correctly) conservative Christians, it would
probably be helpful to find someone from their viewpoint who is aware
of the dangers of the current scare.  Unfortunately I can't give you
specific advice, though what I would do in a situation like that would
be to consult responsible Christian organizations in the area.

There have been a series of articles on the Satanic scare in
alt.atheism, posted by David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org, with a title
including "Satanic conspiracy".  I believe some of them gave contacts
of organizations that have experience in fighting baseless accusations
of the kind you report.  They have expired from our system.  While
these postings are concerned primarily with witch-hunts among
fundamentalist Christians, this is not purely a Christian problem, and
the false accusations are by no means always Satanic abuses of the
kinds that conservative Christians currently seem to be paniced about.
I'm concerned that a number of the accusations of sexual abuse against
daycare centers, clergy, etc., involve similar problems.  We seem to
have moved from a situation where no one would pay any attention to
victims to a situation where people are being convinced that they were
victims when they weren't.
From: lgeller@igc.apc.org (Larry Geller)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Creativity and Physical Illnesss
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:45:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1468800005:000:635
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgeller    Oct 11 21:45:00 1992


What:   Creativity and Physical Illness Workshop

When:   Friday - Saturday November 27 - 28, 1992

Where:  Victoria, B.C., Canada

Info:   Judith Tomandl (604) 370-2584

Cost:  $165

From the brochure:

When our passiona nd creativity get blocked, they can express 
themeselves as disturbing reactions and physical symptoms.  
Discover, amplify, and unfold the potential energy locked in bad 
moods and body problems.

Process Work, developed by Dr. Arnold Mindell and his colleagues 
in Zurich, Switzerland, offers a practical method for finding the 
essential unity of body and spirit in the physical expeience of 
everyday life.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: HALDOL? Advice Please!
From: <MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 23:14:10 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

   A friend of mine is currently in the nut house and the psychiatrists
there are trying to get him to take Haldol. I've been told it is a very
powerful anti-halucanigen (spellling?) used for controlling patients who
have hallucinations that are endangering themselves and others. Someone
else called it "Zombie-Juice" and advised me to tell my friend to avoid it
at all cost.
   My friend is wierd, but who isn't? In my opinion he doesn't belong there,
but the doctors think otherwise and won't let him go. He is a ten-year
blackbelt in Karate and is very introspective, believing in magic, psychic
ability, Budhist philosophy, mystisism, etc.
   Unfortunately, despite the fact that he can do second-order differential
equations in his head, he is stupid in that he tells the doctors about
everything going on his head. They now think he's a nut-cake, talk to him
like a three-year-old and put him in the same room as a violent but well-
meaning AIDS patient.
   He is very calm, defenitely not a danger to anyone.
   Doesn't Haldol seem like overkill, something that would harm him and
change him permanently? It seems unfair of the doctors not to take "no"
for an answer, they keep pestering him to take it, and have succeeded
twice.
   What should I do? I want to hang out with my friend again, drink whiskey,
and look at the girls go by. Yet, I fear Haldol and all the other crap they
use is going to turn him into a blithering idiot robot, like everyone else
in that ward. Should I kidnap him when they take him for a walk? Get an
ambulance-chaser to threaten them with malpractice?
   Anticipating help. Thank you.
From: patel@cimage.com (Ritesh Patel)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Subliminal messages in advertising
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:08:00 GMT
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I am looking for information on articales or notes dealing with subliminal
messages in advertising.
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology,bit.listserv.psycgrad
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Lithium & Manic Depression
Organization: SUNY Health Science Center, Syracuse
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:35:27 EDT

In article <1992Oct07.141713.27467@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> Shiv Kaul writes:
>What treatments are available for a patient who has been on lithium
>for the above disorder for 30 years and has derived little or no benefit?

In terms of pharmacologic treatments for mood stabilization, two
anticonvulsant drugs, carbamazepine (Tegretol) and valproic acid
(Depakote) are widely used in the USA for patients whose bipolar
disorder is refractory to Lithium.  These agents can be used alone or
in combination with lithium.  These medications do sometimes work
extremely well for some patients who have fared very poorly with 
lithium alone.  Unfortunately, it is increasingly recognized that
in clinical practice many bipolar patients have only a partial
response to lithium and require additional medications during some
phases of illness.

For controlling manic or hypomanic symptoms the benzodiazepine
clonazepam (Klonopin) is widely used.  A relatively new antidepressant
agent, bupropion (Wellbutrin) has been shown to be helpful for
depression in some rapid cycling bipolar patients.

Lifestyle measures - some unwelcome to some patients - including
regularization of the sleep-wake cycle, alcohol abstinence, etc.,
are often important adjuncts to becoming stable.

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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: 1
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:46:43 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


It's the loneliest number.  Affective disorder, apparently.
From: IO20594@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: 1
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:26:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System
Supersedes: <92283.154236IO20594@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>



cdk@waikato.ac.nz posted under the subject,"1", simply the message,
"123456789."  Can this be translated?  Why is this even being posted
when it is obviously meant for only certain eyes?  Sci.psychology is
a public list is it not?  How about keeping the discussions accessable
to everyone.



Correction, added 10-13-92:

I would like to make my thoughts more clear by adding one other
important fact.  There was a posted response to the "1" post
that I read the same day that I read the "1" post.
It was sent by news@rphroy.ph.gmr.com under the
account, jhartley@cmsa.gmr.com, and it had the following content:

>>It's the loneliest number.  Affective disorder, apparently.


It was after having read this comment that I concluded that
the "1" post was a private message put on a public list.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: a question on subjective vs. real duration of dreams
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:35:53 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


    A friend of mine is in an intro to psychology class, and their
professor asked a question on an exam which read something to the
effect of: "Dreams, in real time, are of the same duration as they
appear subjectively to be; true or false?". She says the right answer
is True. Is it? It seems wrong for two reasons: 1) I, and I assume
other people, often dream of events which could not possibly only take
the 8 hours or so which are available; 2) I seem to remember reading
about an experiment where they tried to show that dreams are often
generated retroactively, by touching a cold steel plate to the feet of
a sleeping person, and showing that when woken up he reported a whole
scenario (about being in the arctic, etc.) culminating in putting his
feet in the snow; this supposedly showed that some stimulus can cause
the sleeping person to dream, very quickly, a whole lengthy
"plausible" lead-up to the stimulus itself. 
    Can anyone comment on any of this? Was there ever such (or a
related) experiment? If I am right, and dreams can subjectively take
much longer than they really last for, can someone supply me with a
reference (or a lead to one) so that I can show it to this professor?
Please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
Newsgroups: sci.psychology