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From: banerjee@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Arindam Banerjee)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:29:36 GMT

From article <92321.180111RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, by <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>:
> -
> ->And we
> ->can recover once more the great creativity of the Indian mind.
> -
> -You mean the Indian-American mind.  How is your accomplishments here
> -enriching the minds of the peasants of Rajasthan.  Would love to be
> -corrected on this.
> -
> -Sanjoy Ghosh
> 
>    You are quite right on one score - but one needs to distinguish between
> culture and country.  There is nothing to prevent Indian-Americans from
> appreciating and preserving their culture, though you are quite right
> that that will make no direct contribution to the peasants of Rajasthan.
> But culture and social welfare are distinct issues.  Kalidasa made enormous
> contributions to Indian culture, but I am not sure he contributed much to
> the life of the peasants of Rajasthan.  Not that their life is NOT an
> important issue, but it is an issue of social welfare, quite distinct
> from the issue of Indian culture.
> 
> Rohit Parikh

Social welfare is a Western concept! Indian life, even in villages , (or
emphatically in villages) is nothing if not cultural!
Gandhiji tells us that the Indian peasant is the most literature
conscious - if not literate - in the world.
Maybe the villager does not know the Sanskrit of Kalidas (nor do I!) but
the villager does know of the lines of Mirabai and Tulsidas. Indian
literature being a stream of consciousness, it is valid to note that
poets like Kalidas and Jayadev must have impacted upon Mira and Tulsi
and from thm  to our villager.
Even our Hindi films cannot avoid the Indian consciousness, though they
are largely given to Western-style violence and romancing.

The Indian peasant lives and dies for his culture. 

Who knows how our work in foreign lands will help our villagers! All we
can do is do our best, and retain sympathy for them in the meantime.

Arindam Banerjee
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?
Keywords: None
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:38:13 GMT

basu@cs.cornell.edu (Anindya Basu) writes:

>It seems to me that the majority of traffic generated in the newsgroup involves
>inane, puerile, immature, incoherent, intemperate rantings of individuals who
>should know better than to use this newsgroup as a forum to display their colossal

>....

>An interesting fact regarding the source of most of the postings on the net is
>that about 90% of these posts come from individuals associated with very
>obscure universities or colleges and seems to lead to the conclusion that such

The first point is certainly valid, but the second point expresses a
rather elitist viewpoint. Sure, some universities are larger, wealthier,
or more famous than others, but that hardly means that the people who
go to them are necessarily 'inane, immature, or incoherent'. Tom Cech,
who won a Nobel Prize in Physiology a few years ago, went to a small
school called Grinnell College in Ohio. Even if 98% of the people on
this newsgroup haven't heard of it, that says nothing about the
quality of the education he got there or Grinnell's students.

Generalizations are easy but meaningless. WPI has been getting a lot 
of bad press lately, but there's a significant difference between 
Suresh Doki's postings and Ravi Narayan's, and neither of them
represents all the Indian students at WPI. Similarly, whenever a 
woman posts on this newsgroup, there's at least one followup which 
says 'See, women are ....'. People are individuals, not faceless 
parts of generic groups.

Susan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu (JACK)
Subject: Tropical Storm Strikes Southern India
Keywords:  Tropical Storm
Reply-To: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department
Distribution:  world
Date: 15 NOV 92 18:12:26    

   A tropical storm moved across the southern tip of India on 14 November. If
anyone on this group has any meteorological information or word on damage and
casualties, could you please either post it to the net or e-mail it to me?

Jack Beven
FSU Meteorology Dept.
jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
From: x92nath@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NO SUCH MAILS PLEASE-- REF--RESPECT FOR FEMALES
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:36:12 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

HI READER

THIS IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING OBSCENE WRITING IN THE NETWORK
THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY PERSONAL FIGHT THEY CAN CONTAVT WITH EACH OTHER
ON EMAIL OR GET EACH OTHER PHONE NUMBER AND FIGHT.  IT IS BEING READ BY 
MANY PEOPLE AND PERSONAL FIGHTS LIKE IT OCCURED IN RESPECT FOR FEMALES
SHOULD BE STRICTLY AVOIDED.  NOBODY IS HERE TO READ YOUR BULLSIT EMAILS

SHAMBHU.
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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: ** Indian Marriage **
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:22:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In the bliss of his ignorance (Leslie Picardo) barks:
>> 	   Here is a piece on arranged marriage that is really funny. Enjoy !!!
>      ------ rest deleted -----

> These articles  were originally posted on sci by Asjeet Lamba
> (@washington.state ?) a couple of years ago. The author should 
> be given credit for his creativity and humor. 

you mean the lack of it, don't you?


suresh
From: 8888cc06@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (B Mohanarangan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:job needed
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:02 CDT
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   

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From: scsd1553@altair.selu.edu (Ravi Kallianpur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: used laser printer - Custom duty?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:40:18 -0600
Reply-To: RAVI@SELU.EDU
Organization: C.I.S.S., Southeastern La. University

Hi Netters,

	My sister back home wanted me to investigate the possibility of sending
her a second-hand/used laser printer.  If I do manage to find such a thing and
send it with my parents, at what percent would duty be charged on it? - would
duty be charged on the original cost or at some other value (after
depreciation,etc.)?  I called the Consulate in Washington and was told that
"only the customs people at the port of entry would know". (BIG HELP, huh?)

	Any help or reference to help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks a
bunch in advance. 
       __________________________________________________                      
        Ravi Kallianpur	       		                                       
        BITNET :    ravi@slu    Internet :  ravi@selu.edu
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:45:59 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Nov20.043554.11406@cs.wayne.edu> uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>
>does the indian-women mailing list mean that the sci football field is now
>safe for the rampaging MCPs and their jokes...  I got a couple of MCP jokes,
>but held back seeing that the ladies onthe net dont like it at all...
>
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


No it does not. 



Arathi


-- 
In Life, Nothing is Bad as you Fear,
And Nothing as Good as you Hope.
		
			- Gallic saying
From: kumarm@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <None>
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:06:12 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:16:55 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu 
                                 (Anil Trivedi)
 
>This only supports my proposal made a while ago that although 
>misguided Western Europeans are coming together, Americans are making 
>up for their error in preserving their own Union by supporting 
>self-determination in Third World (not Northern Ireland though), and 
>the useless Japanese industialize further without identity-related 
>conflicts, the correct model for India to follow is clearly that of 
>Yugoslavia.
 
   Does it bother you that western governments are always willing to 
support people who are being prosecuted, and therefore are wishing 
to pursue self-determination?  Do Hindus have a hard time associating 
human rights with ALL people and not just the Hindus of India?
Wasn't it a Hindu police officer who said something like `Our idea
of human rights is different from the western concept' <-- I guess
what he was referring to is as long as the police are the ones 
who are killing, torturing, and detaining innocent people its fine!   
 
 
>I would also recommend an immediate launching of violent movements
>demanding seperate sovereign Sikh, Kashmiri, Gujrati, Oriya, ... states
>in the present Canada and U.S.A. as well. Green Card and its Canadian
>counterpart are no substitutes for deep riot-driven identity.
 
  Better yet why don't the Hindu's just start referring to the
Goadays(whites) as a new caste in their multi-tier caste system, mind 
you they will have to be slightly better than the untouchibles but 
definately below the Brahmins or they might revolt.  But that to can 
be put down by force, that way you can control the WHOLE country, why 
bother with just pieces.  This shouldn't be new to any Hindu after 
all they have successfuly enforced this 'inferiority complex' in 
modern India for the last five decades with only a few hundred 
thousand casualties, which in Hindu grading system is an A+ so why 
not take it abroad now!

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sagar@ECE.Concordia.CA (Sagar Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. about sightseeing spots in/around Bombay
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:20:44 GMT
Organization: Concordia University - Montreal, Canada

Hello! One of my Canadian friends and her husband are going to Bombay
for a week. If some of you can provide info. about mainly historical
places to be seen in/around Bombay would be highly appreciated. How far
are Ajanta/Elora and those other places from Bombay? 


Thanks.

Sagar

sagar@ece.concordia.ca

--
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:49:02 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Indian civilization being oldest

>That racism was rampant in his posts was completely evident

I hate to tell you this, but it is you trying very hard at propagating
the 'great Aryan lies.' I've been following your posts very carefully.
Some of that
crap can come only from the Ayodya based nuts. 

>Finally try to learm some south Indian history. May be Tamil
>scholars are ignorant about the Sathavahanas, Hoysalas, Chalukyas,

Who the hell needs to learn about any of this? Maybe, you should try to
learn more of the Tamil literature, history and arts. Are you confusing
your blind 'Indian patriotism' with your inability to defend too many of
your Aryan myths? Or, for you(it's quite obious), one must believe in
the 'great deeds of Vedic poeple' to be a 'true Indian'? What a load of
nonsence! 

Or, I don't want to pretend to speak for all the Tamils from TN...just a
few from there and more from Eelam. And I DONT need to sudy about
Sathavahanas, Hoysalas, Chalukyas or whatever you can come up with. Too
many Vedic 'holy men' have already diluted many Tamil acievements in an
hegemonic manner. Or one more, thing: there is ample evidence that
exists in both in Tamil Nadu and in Eelam that will prove to your Aryan
brain that Tamils were indeed the Nagas. 
Have a vice Vedic day!

-Suresh
From: inde78a@Rosie.UH.EDU (Naveen Pinglay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. on USC
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:20:21 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: inde78a@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

Hi folks.  I need some help and badly.  I would like to know the names of

a few professors in Safety especially in Environmental Safety at the

Institute of Safety and Systems Management at USC.  I have tried to get

this info. from the department but obviously I have been unsuccessful.

I would appreciate it if you could provide me with their phone nos.  I was

told by somebody at the Institute that they do not employ Teaching

Assistants.  Is this true?

Please mail me this info ASAP.  Thanks in advance.

Naveen Pinglay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: suka_vip@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sudha P Iyer)
Subject: TEST
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:45:19 GMT

This is a test.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jhelling@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman)
Subject: list of Universities in India?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:52:55 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: university 

Has anybody a list of universities/educational institutions in India, with a
department of social studies, etc. including contact persons, etc.

(Hindi or English medium)

Thanks in advance,

Jeroen.

-- 
Jeroen Hellingman                 E-mail: <jhelling@cs.ruu.nl>
't Zand 2                         Phone: +31-3473-73935 (home)
4133 TB Vianen                    (18.00--21.00 GMT)
The Netherlands                   Answer in English, German, or Dutch.
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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:51:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:

>	hey dooode! It's like a star-ship (not Enterprise, of course :) )
>	stuck in a black-hole and who knows how deep a black-hole is cuz
>	no one has ever returned from a BH !!!

hey doode what a scene you set up to use your starship .sig and what a
pity you wasted it........anywayS why don't you crosspost your
articles to soc.culture.indian.telugu. i am sure folks out there also
enjoy our kinda stuff.



suresh


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From: vinodm@ece.scarolina.edu (Marur Vinod)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter To Sareer Fazili: Still Awaing Reply 
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:26:42 GMT

trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:

>Dear Mr. Sareer Fazili:

>Regards,

>Anil Trivedi

To Anil Trivedi and his breed,
		I don't think the person in question is gonna reply. I ,
personally have jsut one thing to say - BRAVO!!!!! - and may ur tribe
increase!!!
Vinod Marur
All std. disclaimers apply.


--
Vinod R. Marur . E-Mail :vinodm@ohm.ece.scarolina.edu
Why am I called irrational while you're called individualistic?!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?
Keywords: None
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 13:24:04 GMT

In article <1em5e5INNmh4@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@cs.wpi.edu writes:
>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>:-Since you chose to step forward and accept the mantle, we are just
>:-denouncing posts which have no purpose other than denigrating others
>:-and being a nuisance in general. There is no issue with one's academic
>:-lineage. We are just concerned with the 'motives' of some 'honorable
>:-gentlemen', which are so painfully malnutritous!
>
>    above you use the word "we" - and you were responding to a post from
>    someone who said "posts from obscure schools such as WPI blah blah"
>    or words to that effect. if you respond to his post partially in
>    agreement, and associate yourself with this person ("we"), and then
>    go on to say "these honorable gentlemen have taken over the group"
>    or words to that effect, obviously you concur with his views.
>    further my response, was also partly in response to his post.

I apologize for that. I do not share the views of the original poster
w.r.t. 'elite schools.' [For the record: The little ivy that grew on
sides of Bertram Hall did not qualify the University of Florida -
the Home of the Fighting Gators - to be among the Ivy crowd. Let me
take a moment to explain their football debacle this year. You see,
we drafted some new players and they are maturing. Next year our QB
will have the pass protection and the necessary defense depth and
watch out Hurricanes, we got your number. We also plan to depress
them by leaking a report that all Hurricanes will be required to pass 
a third grade exam to be on the team, just before the game.] 

Thought, as you correctly pointed out, is not the sole preserve of the
ivy elite.

But the issue here is junk - postings that have no purpose and are
addressed to Personal Vilification Department. The culprits can be
counted using the fingers of one hand.

Satya Prabhakar
From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:52:30 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

In article <1992Nov20.052413.1500@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu 
(Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>This tipping thing actually makes many customers very uncomfortable.
>Its not the amount of money they have to shell out, but the prospect 
>of facing that nagging feeling "Was I too stingy while tipping or was 
>I stupid to tip him so much?" that makes customers uncomfortable (unless 
>you are a seasoned tipper).  If a fixed 15% or 20% is added to the 
>bill by the management, it would make a lot of customers more comfortable.
> 
	The moral of the story is to find out more about the country you
are visiting through travel guides or newspapers/magazine articles. This is
a must! In most countries in Asia (except Japan, where you don't tip) you tip 
10%. In Europe, Canada, and USA you leave about 15%. 

	When in doubt - ask someone! (there's no crime against that).

	Now, if the tip is included in the bill (like many restaurants do
here for group sizes greater than five), then don't leave a tip unless
the service is exceptional.

Chetan Nagappa
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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Premarital Sex - Is It OK?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:09:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: sex, marriage

cmhst6+@pitt.edu (Chris M Hunsicker) writes:
>To All:
>I am engaged and am going to be married in about 9 months. My finacee &
>I are really growing impatient and would REALLY REALLY like to jump each
>others bones! Should we do this, is it ok to, before we get married?
>Should we be worried about the consequences of our actions, mentally or
>otherwise? Note that we can't get married any earlier because our
>parents want us to get married at that paricular date. 
>You replies will decide for us!! Any hints as to sneaking around would
>also be greatly apreciated!
>	-Atul Grover ( A man whose glands are about to bust... )



you thought i would fall for  this one right???


suresh





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: OM SHANTI!!!!!! SHANTI!!!, WHERE IS NET POLICE ? 
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:37:55 GMT


The net police said :


Hai Ram.

BYE
ADIL
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AA DIL SE DIL MILA DE, YEH DIL MAIN KYA HAI BATA DUN
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From: ashokg@Sun.COM (Ashok Gourishetty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Housemate wanted
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:08:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ashokg@Sun.COM (Ashok Gourishetty)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sun1.corp.sun.com

I am posting this ad for my friend.  Please contact him directly.

Thanks.

-Ashok.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:56:04 GMT

ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tahir Ijaz) writes:

>Mr Shakil, why are you a person of contradictions?  On the one hand you
>champion the principle of the right to practice freely our faith, and
>at the same time you tell Ahmadi Muslims to change their very name, because
>you have a problem with it! 

>If a person says he is a Muslim and believes in the kalima, There is no God
>but Allah and Muhmammad is the Messenger of Allah, he is a Muslim.  No ifs,`
>ands, or buts.  In the end, it is only Allah who knows.
>So stop playing God please!

Now we're getting somewhere. :-)
If a person says he or she is Muslim but does not believe in the kalima,
believes in multiple gods, and does not believe that Muhmammad (PBUH)
is the Messenger of Allah, is he or she still a Muslim?
[What I'm trying to establish is whether or not those of you arguing
with Shakil believe that there is ANY minimum belief set that determines
whether or not one is Muslim.]

-hd
Anyone skiing Vail December 12-15?
Let's get together.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kbanerje@grad09.math.ncsu.edu (Kaushik Banerjee)
Subject: book reccomendation wanted
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:06:12 GMT


Howdy!

Can any of you folks reccomend a book to learn how to
read and write Bengali?
Thanks.

K. Banerjee


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