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From: jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley)
Subject: Symbolics & LISP Machines
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:28:51 GMT

> From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
> Subject: LISP Machine
> 
> 	Howdy!  We are about to embark on a project to study associative
> memory schemes, and were wondering if anybody knew where we might be able
> to find some papers or books on the LISP machine..?  Our Local Library's
> CD ROMs or Computers couldn't find anything on it.

Marc, you may want to look up a Massachusetts based company called "Symbolics".

A lot of what I know about them is quite old.  I don't know what they're doing 
today but here's a quick synopsys of what they've done: 

It was founded by some MIT LISP gurus and practically every piece of code
written in that company was in LISP.  (And I mean everything! mailers, editors,
file managers, - you name it, they've probably done it in LISP.)

They even wrote, in LISP, their own complete software package to do full 
custom ASIC design!  It was called NS (which stands for New Schema) and I
heard noises that Analog Devices bought it from them years ago (because at the
time there wasn't much offered on the software for ASIC design.)  Apparently,
for it's time, NS was quite an advanced set of tools to design with.

They also used to make and sell their own hardware that was optimised to run
LISP code as efficiently as LISP code can be run.  I remember the name
"LISP BOOM" for some reason.
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From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.arch
Subject: Re: simple cpu-less computer
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:15:25 GMT
Reply-To: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <shrchin.720954211@reading> shrchin@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Jonathan H. N. Chin) writes:
>Also, I vaguely recall discussion of "the ultimate RISC", a single
>instruction machine. What were the references to that?

I have the reference for that below. I also tried to find references for the
R-MOVE single instruction machine, since it was developed by people here at
York. However, I could only come up with dissertations based on R-MOVE (these
are also given below):

%T The ultimate RISC
%O Comput. Archit. News (USA)
%J Computer Architecture News
%A Jones, D.W.
%V 16
%N 3
%V A08
%P 48-55
%D June 1988

%I University of York 3rd year Project
%T A High Integrity Language for the R-Move Machine
%A P. Hart
%D 20 Jul 89

%I University of York 4th year Project
%T A High Integrity Language for the R-Move Machine
%A P. Hart
%D Mar 90

%I University of York 3rd year Project
%T A Move Machine for Safety Critical Real Time Systems
%A S. Moore
%D 20 Jul 89

%I University of York 3rd year Project
%T Improving the R-Move Machine
%A R. Hardiman
%D Mar 92

>Jonathan H N Chin, 8 kyu \ Dept. of Cybernetics, \ "Respondeo, etsi mutabor"
>                          \ University of Reading \
>shrchin@uk.ac.rdg.susssys1 \ Box 225, Whiteknights \ < Rosenstock-Huessy >
>bq305@cleveland.freenet.edu \ Reading, RG6 2AY, U K \

Mat

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Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: brent@uwovax.uwo.ca (Brent Sterner)
Subject: Re: DEC Alpha AXP System Performance
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:28:34 GMT

In article <BxIJxr.GD5.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 	- how much do these machines cost? What's the SPEC/$?
> 	- is the dropoff in SPEC/MHz due to smaller caches?

  3rd & 4th questions:
	- how much memory do the benchmark machines have ?
	- was any 3rd party accelerative software used (eg I/O Express?) ?
		(I'm aware this product only affects I/O, but
		 anything else used on these systems?)
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From: sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl (Sietze Schukking)
Subject: Re: DEC Alpha AXP System Performance
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.133126.13079@linus.mitre.org>, bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.211153.5992@ryn.mro4.dec.com> bhandarkar@wrksys.enet.dec.com (Dileep Bhandarkar) writes:
> :
> :In article <BxIJxr.GD5.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes...
> :> 
> :>Two questions:
> :> 
> :>	- how much do these machines cost? What's the SPEC/$?
> :
> :DEC 3000 Model 400 AXP starts at $15K
> :DEC 3000 Model 500 AXP starts at $39K
> :DEC 4000 AXP starts at about $70K
> :DEC 7000 AXP starts at about $150K
> :DEC 10000 AXP starts at about $300K
> :
>  
> These prices are ridiculous. There are nowhere close to being competitive
> with what is being offerred by Sun or HP.
>  
> 108 Specs for $15K??  Why would anyone want one?

It is very simple, you have to look at these figures from the perspective 
of a regular DEC client, that is, somebody who is used to buying VAX systems
what ever the cost-performance might be.

This is DEC's market, their customers might get suspicious if their top
of the line model costs anything less than 250k.-)

I would love to have such a customer base. Have you ever wondered why DEC
did not release any systems any sooner? (rumours had it that they had UNIX
running months ago) They would never release anything which would not run
every VMS program flawlessly. Why? Imagine all these VMS users watching
DEC release another UNIX system (the ULTRIX, MIPS based DECstations already
made a lot of them very nervous), they would think DEC is dropping VMS and
they would start to look around for UNIX.

DEC would not like that. They will herd their flock very carefull.-)

Sietze

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Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Mixing Greek/Latin in product naming (was: Re: <None>)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:42:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.184247.2626@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
> In England, I think we'd call it a motor car. Which two languages is that
> descended from? :-)

Two? Wimps! Just about any word in English is derived from Latin, Celtic,
Saxon, Jute, Frankish, Angle, Armorican, Pictish, Iberian, Greek, Hebrew, ...

According to legend, Ford did originally want to call his version of the
car the Ipsimobile and was dissuaded by an investor...
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Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: A challenge to the anti-goto
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:50:32 GMT

In article <1cvoctINNmhs@agate.berkeley.edu> jhauser@pine.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Hauser) writes:

>In any event, all of this sort of begs the question:
>
>	If we've known about this problem for twenty years, why don't we
>	have more powerful `break' instructions in our existing languages??

We do.  Exactly the construct you require is found in Ada, as described in
the Language Reference Manual, Sect 5.7 "Exit Statements".

My question: if we have had the *solution* to this problem for ten years,
why don't more people know about it and use it?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: djgray@rodan.acs.syr.edu (David James Gray)
Subject: Document Viewer for Unix
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 11:43:35 EST

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Hello All,

The following was submitted for a co-worker without internet newsgroup
access.  Please reply to:

Paul_Bell@rny.sterling.com

Thank You!!   Dave_Gray@rny.sterling.com

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Apple DocViewer is an application that lets you display, read and search 
documents in a very unique manor as those of you who use it can verify. 
This Apple applications allows the user to review a document via table of 
context, document's  index, bookmarks, etc. We are looking for a product that 
can perform these type of functions that and will operate on an UNIX 
platform namely a SUN system. We would like the source code so we may 
extend the software if we need to add extended functionality. If you have any 
idea where we may get such an application please let us know.

THANKS!

Paul Bell
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: jmc@huron.eel.ufl.edu (Jim Callahan)
Subject: gcc-2.3.1 & Inventor
Organization: University of Florida
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10:39:49 GMT

Are there any problems using g++ with the IRIS Inventor Toolkit on a Indigo R4k?  Thanks....

                            -Jim


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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: support contract and cables
Keywords: sgi support pi cables
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:13:02 GMT

In <1992Nov10.211445.17620@odin.corp.sgi.com> stanj@ferrari.corp.sgi.com (Stan Jensen) writes:

| In article <1992Nov7.210256.16444@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, ttknock@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Robert Armstrong) writes:
| |> 
| |> 	I also would like to know what kind of audio cables a PI
| |> uses as I cannot seem to get normal RCA cables to do anything.
| 
| As for audio cables, I didn't think audio was supported on the 4D/20 or
| 4D/25, only the 4D/30 and 4D/35. What connector are you using? What does
| "hinv" report? If you don't see "Iris Audio Processor, rev 3" or similar,
| then your PI doesn't have audio capability.

All the 20's and 25's had 8 bit audio, and it was somewhat noisy
(really noisy when using the parallel printer port on some versions!).

They have more or less standard mini phone jacks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: vamsee@bioiris.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani)
Subject: changing icon title dynamically
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:56:35 GMT

Is there someway to change the icon title dynamically for xwsh ?
I can change the window title with 
alias setitle 'echo -n "\033P1.y"${host}:$cwd"\033\\"' 

but how to change the icon title in a similar manner ? This is useful when
I iconify remote login windows. 

vamsee
From: msc@ramoth.esd.sgi.com (Mark Callow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Read ISO-9660 CD-ROM on Indigo?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:50:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Nov13.120944.5826@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za>, philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za writes:
> I am considering purchasing a generic UNIX CD ROM advertized to be
> ISO-9660. Is this a format supported byt the SGI CD ROM drive (on
> an Indigo)? My understanding from reading man cdromd that this is
> OK but just as well to be sure.

Yes you can read iso9660 CD-ROM's on an Indigo.  Note, if it's an Orange
Book compliant multi-session write-once CD-ROM current Indigo drives can only
read the first sesssion.  A CD-ROM bought from a vendor is unlikely to be
multi-session.

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From: jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: VisualWorks on SGI?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:03:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: Deere & Company

Does anyone know if ParcPlace's VisualWorks toolkit is available for SGIs? 
Anyone have any experience in using it?

John Howell
Deere & Company
(The Big Green Tractor People)
jrh@de.deere.com
From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: how to interrogate ftimer status from a program?
Summary: how to interrogate ftimer status from a program?
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:15:46 GMT
Organization: Hughes Transportation Simulation Center; Culver City, CA

From the shell, I can type /etc/ftimer to see the status of the fast
clock.  From a program, how can I find out the status of the fast
clock?

Also, man ftimer says enabling and using fast itimers increases system
overhead.  What about enabling the fast clock?

Thanks.
From: ast@geoquest.com (Aditya Talwar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Running Sun's Answerbook on SGI's
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:44:45 GMT


Hi All,

I am a fresh Turkey to this group. A couple of months back there
was a script released which using ghostscript could run Suns
Answerbook on SGI's. Could someone point to the location or
email me that script and instructions.

thanks
atalwar@geoquest.com
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: DAT Compatability?
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:46:55 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <Bx97Ey.13J@visix.com> barry@visix.com (Barry Hunter) writes:

| In article <1992Oct31.063236.21991@eng.ufl.edu> jmc@crow.eel.ufl.edu (Jim Callahan) writes:
|    Does the DAT drive supplied by SGI use the same format and tape size as other vendor's drives?  Specifically HP's DAT?  Are there any other problems I might encounter when trying to transfer files from an HP 9000-400 to a Indigo R4k via DAT?
| 
| 	I do this!  It works fine from HP to Indigo.  However, from Indigo
| 	to HP, no go.  I must do dd if=/dev/rmt/0m of=foo.tar bs=1024k
| 	(for tar files anyway).  And then extract the files from the
| 	tar file.

We default to a block size of 256K when writing tar tapes to DAT.
I've heard rumors that HP's tar can't handle a blocking factor
of 512 (b 512).  If true, the solution is to simply use
an explict argument when writing tar tapes for export to HP
systems (e.g., tar cvb 64 filelist), or whatever works with the
HP.  20 would certainly work, but would not give you terribly
good throughput.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SG Pascal Compiler ???
From: schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer)
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:20:27 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: schiewer

I have developed at set of setup models in "ansi" Pascal.
I have a VAX ELN shell to execute the model "real-time"
on a Ivax network and a VAX VMS shell to execute the model
"offline" for testing/modeling.  

The problem is that our primary modeler developed the same
model in C on an SG.  He now wants to convert the ONLINE
to C.  I suggested the better route (which is what I 
originally designed it for) would be to write a SG Pascal
shell to run on SG.

He feels that the Pascal compiler for SG may not be as good
as C.  

My question is; How good is the SG Pascal compiler?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: trich@crow.omni.co.jp (Timothy Richards)
Subject: Re: nullrecv question
Reply-To: trich@crow.omni.co.jp
Organization: Omnibus Japan, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:07:37 GMT

| > > You might try that as an experiment; but, it would reduce network
| > > performance.
| > 
| > Well this isn't what the man page for rtnetd says at all !!!
| > The man page says that rtnetd halts network packet processing whenever
| > the load gets too high.  So this seems to be very missleading advice.
|  
| Your rtnetd man page must have come from some other computer vendor.
| Ours says:
| 
|     Rtnetd is a kernel daemon that allows higher-priority real-time processes
|     to preempt processing of incoming network packets.  Preemption gives
|     better response for real-time processes.
| 
| Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com

Oops you're right.  Should spend more time reading manuals and less reading news.
But what about the original question ?  ie that it seems nfsd daemons under
irix4.0+ now accumilate lots more cpu time, and that nullrecv is allways some
enormous meaningless number ( on multi-cpu machines only ).
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: Does IRIX support "secure" nfs?
Keywords: nfs, secure
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.032429.2196@igor.tamri.com>, lim@igor.tamri.com (Bill Lim) writes:
> I haven't seen anything in my system manuals about any kind of
> secure nfs. I have used SUN's secure nfs option and am wondering
> if it or a functional equivalent exists for IRIX?
> 
> SUN's secure nfs can prevent a user with root permissions on his/her own
> workstation to "su" to another user and view or change that user's
> files, via nfs, unless the file permisssions are set r/w for others.


I thought all NFS servers by default mapped UID 0 to "nobody", usually
UID=-1 or something similarly bogus.  The original SUN reference source
did.  So have all SGI NFS products.

I understood "secure NFS" to be something else entirely, which SGI does
not support.  Either the Kerberos modifications to NFS or something
related to the (said by some to be not very) secure Sun RPC.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: 48ganelin@cua.edu
Subject: Help: how to mount /debug ?
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:06:20 GMT

A novice question.

How to mount /debug directory for dbx? Is it correct ?

mount -t dbg /debug

What line has to be included in /etc/fstab to mount it automatically
each time after  reloading?

Pavel Ganelin.
From: knobi@knobi.munich.sgi.com (Martin Knoblauch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: RPCGEN output
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:54:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <187@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu>, johns@io.datasys.swri.edu
(Stephen Johns) writes:
|> Does anyone have any insight as to why the SGI cc ( Ansi C, 1.1 )
|> will NOT compile the .c files generated by RPCGEN ( under Irix 4.0.5
|> )?
|> 
|> This was quite surprising.  I have a VERY simple .x file, and it does
|> work
|> on the Suns.
|> 
|> Any help greatly appreciated.

  Have you tried "-cckr" to let cc use "old-style"-C instead of the
default ANSI-C selection?

Martin
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From: unilrh@uts.uni-c.dk (Leif R|dgaard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: synchronization problems using IndigoVideo Board
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:31:33 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

We have access to an Indigo with VideoBoard and Svideo-software, 
an with this we want to make a couple of minutes VHS PAL-video.

With the equipment is it easy to make live-video-in and live-video-out,
but we are unable to make single-frame output (because we are unable
to control the VCR from the Indigo).

So we do 384x288 (1/4 PAL-area) live-video from our own GL-program, and here
we can show 60 frames/sec from data in memory. This limits us to about 
20 seconds per recording, but we hope to be able to load pictures from
disk fast enough.

The program uses double-buffering (GL swapbuffers()), where our problem is
to synchonize the swapping of frames to the PAL-signal. The animation is
fine on Indigo-screen, but the recording on VCR is jagged.

How do we swap framebuffers during PAL vertical retrace (preferably controlled
by interrupts instead of polling). ???
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