HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1993Jan12.155105.16776@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:46 GMT


   > Part of the problem is simply lack of opportunity:  I just haven't
   > gotten a chance to know that many African-Americans.  Part of it,
   > though, is undoubtably fear that I have yet to overcome.  In the
   > circles I run in, both Asian- and African-Americans are under enormous
   > social pressure either to blend into upper-middle class white suburbia
   > or to develop separatist ethnic solidarity and pride. 
   > 
   > 						--Alan Hu
   > ----------
   > I am not Arthur Hu.  I am NOT Arthur Hu.  I AM NOT ARTHUR HU.
   >==================================================================

>>   Alan points out a really interesting dilemma here.
>>   Assimilate or Separate!  (You can really see this
>>   going on at college campuses too).  Could this
>>   be a *false* dilemma, that people are pushed into?

>>   comments?

>>   SteveS

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	Obviously, the definition of "ASSIMILATION" is to accept and practice the
	EUROPEAN WAYS or ELSE leave the country (which you OWN because your
	ancestors were first to exterminate the NATIVES on this land)
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Virendra Agarwal
vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ucb.general
From: gavrin@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Arthur J. Gavrin)
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal-Are we unclear on concept here?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:19:14 GMT
Keywords: racism

broberts@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bryce Roberts) writes:

>Whether you're liberal or conservative, male or female, white or a person
>of color, you've got to admit there's a lot more to worry about than
>parsing a sentence. Let the English majors do that. There is still a
>disparity between the ethnic makeup of the student body and that of the
>faculty. It is still rare for a non-white professor to get tenure. And have
>you ever asked yourself whether the Regents of the UC "look like" the
>students of the UC system (or the state of California, for that matter).
>IMHO opinion _these_ are questions we should be getting to, if you really
>want to solve some problems.

You must remember that, many of us are not in California, thus can not have a 
discussion about the ethnic makeup of the student body and the faculty.  Also,
it is not only a discussion of words, but attitudes.  Besides, are words only
important for English majors? :')

						Art

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:13:53 GMT

Sunil M Perera (s_perera@iastate.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.135016.9507@philabs.philips.com> ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes:
: >
: >I sent a message to root@andrew.cmu.edu yesterday morning, complaining 
: >the behavior of Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) over this news group.  
: >By afternoon, the system administrator there acknowledged.  Judging from
: >the fact that Rikiya Asano issued an apology this morning, someone at CMU
: >must have given him a lecture on net etiquette.
: >
: >The next time someone uses vulgarity over the network and make inflammatory
: >remarks (such as equating Singaporean with Japanese), it is not worthwhile
: >to lower ourself to his level and get into a shouting match.  What usually
: >works is to find out what organization the offender belongs to, then send 
: >mail to "root" there, attaching a copy of the offending message, and let 
: >them take care of the offender.
: >
: >I hope we all become a little smarter after this recent incidence.
: >--
: >Nai-Chi (the "Sabo-King")

: Outstanding..."Sabo-King"...

: Best piece of news on the newsgroup that i've seen in a looooonnnnnnng time!
: (Finally...something interesting has happened)

: Thanks again.

: the little tan man

Wah liao!  Absolutely Singaporean man!  Best sabo I've seen in yonks!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Jefferson and Slavery Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:05:05 GMT

mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
|[about it being illegal to unenslave slaves at the time]
|
|   timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
|   With repect to Jefferson and his own slaves, why didn't he unenslave them
|   by going to a state where unenslaving slaves was legal and declare them
|   unenslaved there?
|
|Well, this is one of those areas where he does seem to have been
|something of a hypocrite.  The transportation might have been
|difficult to do and there might have been other problems.  But I would
|guess that basically he didn't free his slaves unilaterally because
|his livelihood depended on slave labor, and he probably saw no reason
|to impoverish himself to be morally pure.  If he and everyone else in
|Virginia had to set their slaves free, people would have to work out
|alternate economic arrangements and he might get to stay Thomas
|Jefferson, wealthy planter.  Simply giving away his slaves would have
|left him as only Thomas Jefferson, self-impoverished nut.

He could have hired some people to help...  (the elimination of the
expense of feeding, housing, and securing the slaves would at
least partially offset the wage expense)

-- 
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Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Hating Whites was Re: * Michael Crichton
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfMzAae00iV1M1AmcM
	<24689@alice.att.com>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. jj writes: ( in response to me),


.

>>I don't hate white people.
> 
>Your written word makes it seem entirely otherwise.

This is your fanstasy! But, in reality, I can say straight out that if I
hated White People- I hate white people- But I don't. This makes you
angry! And, quite funny I might add.

>Such behavior is contradictory, and seems to claim that you
>are somehow above white people, i.e. it's OK for you to generalize
>and show prejudice, but it's not ok for them to do that.
>(I think it's not OK period, just to keep you from concocting another
straw man
>.)

Sorry, Reverse-psychology don't work on a reverse psychologist. But,
I'll play your stoooopid little game for a while. Your fantasies great
becoming. Becoming 
to make you fool. "and seems to claim that you are somehow above white people"
This is very funny! Do you know that HO CHI MIN is my mentor. I don't
have the time to play the who's above whom game. Sorry, charlie!

More white fantasies skipped-

>>The Great Caucasian European Blunder Pt. One
>Why, I dare say that you're now using netnews to promulgate
>direct and obvious racial epithets.

Wrong! This is history! 

>I demand that you cease.

Cease the telling of Hi(s) story! Never!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal-Are we unclear on concept here?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:40:47 GMT

In article <MORONEY.93Jan21144404@diva.Berkeley.EDU>
moroney@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Richard M. Moroney) writes:
>I just can't let this comment pass unchallenged:
>}-ref-} In article <1jlgbu$4tc@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>	ollie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Oliver Wang) writes:
>} 1) None of you are Judy Tseng.  Therefore what gives you the power
>} to say whether she was or was not a victim of racial/sexual
>} harassment?
>Well, there must be a way to objectively decide when and where
>harassment occurs.  Clearly you can't even think of solving a problem

The issue is not whether harrassment occurred; _no_ one is disagreeing
that the following statement


                Look at that Asian girl!

might be construed as obnoxious when screamed at a passerby.

The _issue_ is whether this statement is _racial_ harrassment.  After
reading that statement, I see _no_ way by which that statement could
be interpreted as racist.  I even consulted Webster's dictionary.

Asian is _not_ a racial term; it is a geographical term.  Ms. Tseng
(jjudy@ocf.berkeley.edu) is _way_ out of line in filing a racial harrassment
complaint.

The above statement is no more obnoxious than

                   Look at that fat girl!

Would Ms. Tseng file a racial harrassment complaint in this case?  No,
of course not.

>until you know where and when the problem exists.  Mind you, I don't
>claim it is EASY to draw the line, just that it must be possible to do
>so.
>I thought Oliver's second comment was well stated.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.theatre
Subject: POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT: Northwest Asian American Theatre
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:25:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k4kp3INNlip
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

POST WHERE APPROPRIATE

	The Northwest Asian American Theatre of Seattle, Washington is
opening a search for a new Artistic Director to guide the Theatre to
the next level.

	NWAAT, the Northwest's only Asian American theatre and the second
oldest in the country, has made great organizational strides in recent years
and holds a special role in Seattle's vital theatre community.

	The successful candidate will be a talented and qualified professional
with a commitment to the multi-cultural mission of NWAAT and will be a
strong advocate to the community.

	The Artistic Director is responsible for the artistic scope and
direction of the Theatre, while working closely with the Managing Director
to manage the affairs, policies, production and personnel of the theatre.
In general, this position oversees artistic programming which implements
the Theatre's mission.

	In particular, the Artistic Director--

	* Advocates and implements the artistic philosophy of NWAAT and
approves all major artistic decisions.

	* Actively works with the Board and theatre staff to fulfill progra-
ming and institutional goals, acting as theatre spokesperson to the 
Asian AND theatre communities.

	* Directs at least one show per season and oversees direction of
all other plays; interviews and selects all directors and conducts annual
open audtions.

	* Researches and selects plays that reflect the vision of NWAAT;
assists in organization of programs for new play development, education
and training of Asian American talent.

	* Develop long-range artistic plans, assists in developing institu-
tional long-range goals, maintaining the vision of the Theatrew.

	* Assists staff and the Board in fundraising efforts.

	Qualifications for this position is at least two years experience
as a director and administrator with a professional or semi-professional
theatre. Excellent communication skills, strong knowledge of contemporary
theatre, ability to work with Boards/volunteers/community.

	Salary: To mid 20s, DOE.

	Deadline: March 1, 1993. To start Fall 1993 or earlier.

	The Northwest Asian American Theatre operates year round, presenting
three to four mainstage plays each season, WinterFest, an Asian American
playwrighting contest, workshops and additional special projects. Annual
operating budget is $115-150,000.

	To apply, send letter of application, resume and three references to:
	
	Search Committee
	c/o Bea Kiyohara
	1503  14th Ave. S.
	Seattle, WA		98144

	For info, e-mail or write to Bea.
 
-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Something new...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:46:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Oliver Wang writes:
>Q: Is there an Asian in American culture?  If so...what is it and who are some
>representatives of it?  

No.  :-)

Seriously, I don't think so.  Hmm.  Wait a second....

I know almost nothing about anthropology, but my impression is that
cultural differences develop when two different groups adapt themselves
to different circumstances.  For example, you might expect major cultural
differences between a society that developed under harsh conditions
(e.g. in a river valley subject to periodic flooding) and one that developed
under easy conditions.

In the river valley, for example, earthworks would be needed to contain
the river, and that means being able to organize large amounts of manpower.
(Arnold S. Toynbee has some interesting things to say about this in "A Study
of History" -- he says that civilizations almost always develop in harsh
circumstances, rather than easy circumstances as one might expect.)

So, what kinds of differences are there between the circumstances of Asian
Americans and non-Asian Americans?

1.  Asian Americans are almost all immigrants or the children of immigrants
    (with the exception of the Japanese Americans).

    This is the key difference, I think.  Leaving one's home and adapting
    to a new society is a considerable challenge.  For Asian immigrants,
    there's a *lot* of cultural differences to adapt to, the English
    language being the most obvious one.  For their children, there's the
    problem of integrating two very different cultures.

    If we believe the maxim that "suffering builds character" -- "character"
    meaning industry, pride, ambition -- then yes, there's going to be
    considerable differences between Asian Americans and native-born,
    nth-generation Americans.  (Toynbee comments that emigrants are often
    remarkably successful, compared to both people in the society they
    emigrated from and those in the society they immigrated into.)

    This kind of difference will wear off after a few generations, though.
    Even comparing myself (second-generation) and my parents, for example,
    I may be pretty hard-working, but my parents are much more so.

2.  Asian Americans may have more direct experience of racial prejudice
    than white Americans, depending on where they live.  (Growing up in
    Vancouver, I encountered practically none.)  This is what people tend
    to focus on, but personally it hasn't been a problem for me.

3.  For second-generation Asian Americans, our parents usually try to pass
    on their native culture, but with limited success. :-)  Not too many
    second-generation Asian Americans can read and write their parents'
    native language, for example.  So I don't see this as being a major
    difference.

--
Russil Wvong
russil@idacom.hp.com
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps? You be the judge!
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:30:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfMZCKi00iV3I5vkVy
	<1993Jan20.171441.22593@seq.uncwil.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

William C. Franklin writes:(in response to Clare Chu),

.

>>  Independence Day refers to the "independence" of white Americans.
>>  I don't recall the slaves getting freed July 4, 1776!
> 
> 
>For those of you who have studied American history, just hit n for
>next article.
> 
>Now, let me remind the rest of you about the Revolutionary War,
>and how OUR nation (remember that the United States is the nation
>that belongs to more varities of people than any other, it is yours
>and mine so stop whining) was won from the oppressive England.

You say this like all the problems are solved. Let's talk about
remembering who 
the U.S. belongs too. The real people that this nation belongs to are
held prisoners(in more ways then one)by those who whould like to think
that this nations is theirs. But, let talk about the equal "belonging
to" in the place where you are North Carolina. Yes! My roommate for the
last six years is black and his father was I922 Durham, N.C.. Being
Japanese citizen, I was horrorified to see how poor many people
are(mostly black) in the Carolina's. Please, don't get me to describle
this stuff. Cause, I'll take ya'll back in the sticks of Dunn,
fayateville, Turkey, Greensboro, Gaston, all over this rugged mother.
Yeah! I have tried to cropped tabacco. You should see this ya'll. I know
that is't hard to imagine ME croppin' tabacco but it's true. I tell
ya'll about it later. Well, anyway, about Black and fighting for their
indepedence in the revolutionary war. We all know the first person to
die in this war was a black man-Crispics Attucks. But, it dosen't take
that much commonsense to realized that if these individauls knew that
they and their families were going to go thought those many years of
inhunman enslavement I think that they would have thought twice about
independence. So, this bring me to believe that they were lied to and
then stabbed in the back. Acually, they were mostly slaves and/or
servants anyway so AWOR was out of the question. I doubt it if these
brave people just ran into their houses and grabbed the mussket off the
wall. One master is a bad as another when your a slave. Your still under
opprsiion

>Blacks and whites fought side by side in the Revolutionary War in 
>order to win OUR freedom from England. With the help of the French,
>Black, AND white Americans won a victory on our own soil against the
>English armies, who, at the time, were very sophisticated.
> 
>Without the whites we would have lost. Without the many MANY troups
>of blacks who fought, we would not have won the War of Independence.
>(And without the French.....).
> 
>So Black people did win their independence on Independence Day.
>They won their Independence from England. We are all Americans.
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Great Caucasian Blunder Pt. I
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:58:31 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   rap@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson) writes:
     mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   > [...]
   > Ethnically, the Vietnamese seem to be unrelated to the Chinese except
   > insofar as there have been numerous intermarriages over the millenia.
   > Linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that the Viet people
   > were probably seagoers from Melanesia who landed in SE Asia several
   > millenia ago.

   Really?  I thought there was a lot of linguistic evidence that people
   speaking Austro-Asiatic languages (a language group including Vietnamese)
   were in the coastal regions of China (up to about Shandong) 3000-2000
   years ago.  There are quite a few very old words in Chinese that seem
   to be borrowed from Austro-Asiatic, including "Jiang1", originally the
   name of the Yangzi River but now the usual word for "river" in southern
   China (just as "He2" was generalized in the north).  There were Miao-Yao
   speakers in the middle Yangzi, Tai speakers to the south and southwest,
   and maybe Burmese in Sichuan.  Chinese was spoken in a comparatively
   small area in the Huang He basin.  As the Chinese expanded, many of
   these people became Chinese, while others were driven south.  So today's
   (Han) Chinese are an ethnic mixture, and are indeed ethnically related
   to Vietnamese, Thais, Miaos, Koreans, Mongols, etc.

This is interesting, and I'm sorry if I have been inaccurate in my
information.  My main point was that it was not accurate to describe
the Vietnamese as an offshoot of the Chinese; an earlier post seemed
to imply that.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Joke about intolerance
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:30:40 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <C1HroH.J0v@newsserver.technet.sg> ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD) writes:
> ...
>
>And stop using the Lord's name in vain.
>
>

I think Singapore should have freedom of religion, that does not preclude
non-Christian from using "Lord's name in vain".

>Tan Wee Meng


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From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:49:04 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <ISBELL.93Jan22113659@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>Robert E Lee Day exists in 8 southern states (coincidently, I just saw
>this on a calendar about a week ago) whose names I forget.  It's
>actually absorbed by the MLK day, if you can stand the irony.  I
>believe it fell on the 19th of Jan this year (that's a Tuesday)....
>

I'm kind of wondering...

Is it actually observed, or is it something that has kind of faded
over time? (I don't pay a lot of attention to calendars.)

I've honestly never heard of it, but I'd have to agree that it
should be done away with if it exists. It sounds pretty insen-
sitive.

-- Mike

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Just an observation
From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:15:11 PST
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

Not to get anyone's dander up, but why in the hell would anyone want to 
copyright their posts here?  It also seems like those posts that are 
copyrighted are the ones that would be LAST in line ever to use. Who are 
you all fooling with your copyrights?  Doesn't it just seem a bit 
egotistical and obnoxious to copyright your posts? Sort of takes away the 
informal free-exchange-of-ideas idea, but as I said, don't be paranoid, 
it seems (at least over these last few weeks) that those posts (c)ed are 
the ones I just skip past anyways.
   Just a passing thought.  Don't take offense, but from where I sit, 
seeing a <c> on a post all the time just looks INCREDIBLY silly....
:::::Larry:::::

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