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From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:57:33 GMT

Peter Wilson? *The* Peter Wilson, Deep Cove neighbor and the only writer on
either local paper who can make my wife laugh? If so, we're honored. If
another Peter Wilson, we're honored anyway.

Peter's points are well taken. One of the most maddening problems in teaching
writing is that students do remember trivial and obsolete rules (you don't
hafta putta comma before the "and"; you're not supposed to start a sentence
with "and"), but almost nothing else.

Some people, including a lot of journalists, know their grammar "by ear," and
generally do okay that way. But a gap is growing between the spoken language
and the written; if we try to write as we speak, we end up writing *like* we
speak. Standard written English is a dialect, and a dialect is a version of a
language that we understand even if we don't always choose to use it
ourselves (I understand Jamaican English pretty well, but would embarrass
myself if I tried to speak it--much as I would love to!). You can write
"demotic" English, in which it's fine to say "Me and Dave read the Province
every morning," but you'll alienate and annoy many of your readers...and
drawing that kind of attention undercuts the whole purpose of most writing.

So why don't we let freedom break out and allow everyone to write as they
please? Because we'd end up with a host of conflicting dialects and endless
confusion. I still recall being baffled by a New Zealand friend who uttered
the enigmatic phrase, "Eric's lendload." Turned out he meant "our
ex-landlord." Had my friend chosen to spell the phrase as he pronounced it,
it might as well have been a different language.


--
Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College
North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca

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From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Subject: Re: Palindromes
Keywords: 51-pound sack o' palindromes
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:03:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.045815.23240@ucselx.sdsu.edu> waffle@steer.sdsu.edu (waffle) writes:
>I found this list of palindromes on LambdaMOO (lambda.parc.xerox.com 8888).
>Some are stupid, but I like #38 best.

>37  bonk omen nemo knob

I liked this one best, but shouldn't there be a colon:

bonk omen: nemo knob

Nigel :-)
From: fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Greg Fishbone)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Publishers on the Net??
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:06:05 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Barry Shell (shell@cs.sfu.ca) wrote:

: Does anyone know if the big New York publishing houses are on
: the Internet? Like Simon and Shuster, HarperCollins, Houghton Mifflin,
: Bantam Doubleday Dell, Penguin USA, Random House, etc.

Houghton is not on Internet, but they have their own DECnet system.  If 
you can somehow figure out how to access it, you might or might not be 
able to send and receive mail, though I don't think this is likely.

HM is in Boston, btw.  Currently on Beacon Street, but moving to Berkeley
Street real soon.

--
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu  | "I've got a tall pointy hat!  STATUS, boy!
Greg Fishbone                   |  You can argue with me, but you can't
                                |  argue with status!" --Elrod the Albino
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: support for the arts in the US
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:40:17 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Dec13.042309.25048@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <1gdnomINN3or@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>>
>>You raise the example of education - a fine one.  Education is
>>a public good; public goods cannot be financed by anything
>>other than forcible theft.  And because my education was
>>financed thus I have an obligation to so finance other peoples'.
>
>Then our "disagreement" may come down to defining education.  In brief,
>education isn't restricted to the schools - education comes in many
>forms, including reasonable access to a number of artistic voices
>(and not just those that happen to be profitable this week).

The difference is that presumably you are old enough now to pay
for your own artistic voices, and do not have to stick a gun in
the back of poor Great-Aunt Mildred, who has not read anything
but TV Guide since 1974 and cannot tell artistic voices from
the mating calls of plumbing.

Do not automatically assume that you are superior to old bag
Mildred and thus have a right to take her money; even were the
former true the latter is not, I think, the sort of precedent
you want to be setting.

c
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From: bg843@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Don Canaan)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Andre Schwartzbart-Where is he?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:26:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Forgot to mention that he wrote "The Last of the Just" (circa 1960)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Attention, conventioneers!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:02:43 GMT


		Hi there!
		I and my scifi club here in the Western Massachusetts area are
sponsoring a scifi/fantasy convention on the last weekend of March, with 
writing, comics and (hopefully) Star Trek guests, as well as a Society for 
Creative Anachronism demonstration, roleplaying-gaming (including a multi-media
ST:TNG-based game which promises to be unique if nothing else) and discussion
groups.
		 It's still early enough in the planning stages that we have
time to entertain good ideas for how to make this a lot of relatively 
inexpensive fun (which we know it will be, since most people in our planning 
group are experienced con-goers and we all know that a lot of the most
successful cons are the fan-run ones). 
		So. If y'all could take about 10-15 minutes of your valuable
time to e-mail me directly about what you like best and least about cons, your
most memorable experiences with cons, the most innovative, creative or just
plain common-sense things you've seen offered/done, etc. then we can make our
own convention that much better. Also, if you could possibly forward this
request to experienced con-goers (or organizers) that you know of so I can get
their responses as well, I'd be much obliged. 
		Finally, opening question: does $25 for a weekend and $15/day
sound reasonable for a 2-day con?

                                        Thanks,
					Chris

					ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu 


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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: support for the arts in the US
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:14:57 GMT

In article <1gc05sINNq1u@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>
>If fifty-one percent of the population of Canada decided that
>anyone with a post-consonant 'h' in their name should be sent
>to a concentration camp, would you go?

The old Libertarian analogy, based on the idea (clearly stated in
Libertarian ideology) that money has the same basic value as Life,
Liberty, And The Pursuit Of Happiness (to borrow a phrase from that
country to the south of here).

This is nonsense.  Money has no intrinsic value - it is a social
convention, an artificial measure of prosperity.  How much money you
have is a direct result of the opportunities provided to you by the
society you live in - in other words, you didn't earn that wealth all by
yourself, but had a lot of help doing it.  You didn't pay for the roads
that brought you food, society did.  You didn't pay for your schools,
society did.  (You may or may not have paid all or part of the direct
costs of your education, but that wouldn't have done you much good if
others hadn't built the schools, accumulated the knowledge.)  So the
idea that you single-handedly earned the money that goes through your
hands is either naive or arrogant - the society you live in helped you
get your hands on that money, and therefore has a partial claim to it.

Before you can claim that that money is all "mine mine mine!", you'd
better be prepared to show that you really did earn it all by yourself,
without any external assistance.  (And not all this assistance can be
quantified, priced, bought and sold!)

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Style, grammar, punctuation - recommendation?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:24:36 GMT

    Since I've embarked on the writing of a novel, I've discovered how
    deficient I am in applying proper grammar and punctuation to my
    work.  I have a college grammar text, ( you know the one that we
    all had to get for our freshman English classes ) but it doesn't
    give much guidance on grammar rules and punctuation for dialog.

    Can anyone recommend a good guide to style, grammar, and punctua-
    tion for a novice fiction writer?  One the included insights into
    the use of things such tense and voice, in the context of enhancing
    one's storytelling, would be most helpful.

    
        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
                                                               - Max

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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: nyt%nyxfer%igc.apc.org@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (NY Transfer News)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: NEWS from Salvador 12/14 ed-lp
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:51:21 GMT
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Organization: The NY Transfer News Service
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit


From el diario/La Prensa 12/14/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el diario/La Prensa" is
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


El Salvador's Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front Demobilizes

In preparation for the Dec. 15 deadline, Javier Castillo, of
the FMLN's Reconstruction and Development Commission, said at a
press conference that the last 20% of the guerrillas will be
demobilized from the 15 camps where they were concentrated. The
destruction of weapons has been taking place at these camps.
Castillo said, "For us it [Dec. 15] is an extremely important
day, because it ratifies the end of the war and also the Frente's
decision to continue now in a political, economic and social
mobilization." However, he said, negotiations are still open and
are still being carried out. The FMLN is fulfiling its
commitment, Castillo said, and if the government fulfills its
end, then Dec. 15 will indeed see the end of the war. To date the
FMLN has demobilized 7,229 combatants, and some 1,700 have yet to
be disarmed. The FMLN will be recognized as a legal political
party 24 hours after the complete demobilization of its
combatants. Then it will put all its efforts into preparing for
the March, 1994 elections. (edlp 12/14/92 from EFE)


Truth Commission Visits Site of 1980 Salvadoran Massacre

The delegates from the Truth Commission which grew out of
the Salvadoran peace accords went on Dec. 13 to Las Vueltas, in
the northern department of Chalatenango, where some 600 peasants
were massacred on May 14, 1980. They interviewed survivors and
witnesses to the massacre which took place along the Sumpul River
at the Honduran border with El Salvador. Members of the
Commission include former Colombian president Belisario Betancur
and former Venezuelan foreign minister Reinaldo Figueredo, as
well as a judge from the Interamerican Court on Human Rights,
Thomas Buergenthal.

The 600 peasants were killed as they tried to flee from the
first big operation carried out by the Salvadaron army and
National Guard at the beginning of the twelve year civil war. The
Honduran army participated in the massacre, which was part of a
"scorched earth" policy, that is, an attempt to annihilate any
organized communities along the El Salvador-Honduras border.
(edlp 12/14/92 from NOTIMEX)


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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: Andrew Lang <lang@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Flores Quake Relief Effort
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:19:52 GMT

/* Written  4:02 pm  Dec 14, 1992 by peacenet@igc.apc.org in igc:pn.alerts */
/* ---------- "Flores Quake Relief Effort" ---------- */
From: <peacenet>
Subject: Flores Quake Relief Effort

From aw@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 14 11:36:54 1992
From: Alex Wijoyo <aw@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu>

======================================================================
	********* FLORES QUAKE RELIEF EFFORT********

Dear readers:  Peace

	You may have heard from the news media that recently an
earthquake has hit severely the Island of Flores, East Indonesia.  The
exact death toll rises day by day.  The New York Times (Dec 14, 1992)
reports that according to Indonesian officials the earthquake measured
6.8 on the Richter scale. The United States Geological Survey
put it even higher at 7.5.  The city of Maumere suffered the most; 80% of the
buildings had been destroyed, 1,232 people confirmed dead, and many
more rendered homeless.  The people of Flores are predominantly catholic.
	The Paroki-net, meaning "Parish-net"--a network for Indonesian
Students abroad, mostly catholic, but is also open to Indonesian
students of different Christian denominations and even of other
religions--is making an appeal to all who are willing to contribute
money to help relieving the suffering people in Flores. 
	The Paroki-net (internet: paroki@uiuc.edu) can channel your
contribution.  Since we are all students, we could only manage
financial contribution.  For this purpose, checks or money order can
be sent to the Paroki-net's Relief Effort Committee:

	Mr. Teddy Setya
	3307 Powelton Apt 3F
	Philadelphia, PA 19104
	USA

For accounting purpose, we ask you to report your contribution to:
	Mr. Parulian Sihotang (internet address: pxs29@po.cwru.edu).
He will record your contribution and send you an acknowledgement upon
receipt.
	For latest news update about this disaster, you can check
reg.indonesia.
	Thank you for your kind help.

Sincerely,
Alex Soesilo Wijoyo, S.J.
West Side Jesuit Community
220 West 98th Street Apt 4E
New York, NY 10025
USA
(212) 678-1741 (Voice)
aw@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (internet)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor@igc.apc.org>
Subject: ALGERIA: Amnesty International vis
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
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Resent-From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor@igc.apc.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:12:22 GMT

/* Written  7:13 pm  Dec 13, 1992 by hnaylor@igc.apc.org in igc:ai.general */
/* ---------- "ALGERIA: Amnesty International vis" ---------- */
Amnesty International      
International Secretariat  
1 Easton Street            
London WC1X 8DJ            
United Kingdom             

DATE: 7 DECEMBER 1992

ALGERIA: AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL VISITS ALGERIA

An Amnesty International delegation is visiting Algeria in December 1992.  The
purpose of the visit is to carry out research into Amnesty International's
human rights concerns in Algeria and to hold discussions with members of the
Algerian Government.

      Amnesty International's concerns in Algeria include the administrative
detention, without charge or trial, of over 1,000 detainees; irregularities in
some trial procedures and the lack of investigation and public reporting in
cases of use of firearms leading to deaths by law enforcement officials. 
Amnesty International is also concerned about abuses by armed opposition
groups including deliberate and arbitrary killings.
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: CHRISTOPHER HOBE MORRISON <CMORRISO%SNYESCVA@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject:  RE: URGENT: Expulsion of 400 Palestinians
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:16:16 GMT


        By the time you all read this it may be over.  The BBC and AP reported
the Supreme Court had approved the expulsions.  They reported that a caravan
of buses had departed carrying the deportees into the security zone in
Lebanon, and then split up.  They also reported that the Lebanese government
had given orders that the deportees were not to be allowed to enter Lebanon
accross the border, which is where the Israelis are said to be taking them,
the Bekaa Valley.  The BBC is talking about the possibility that they will be
stranded in a sort of limbo, not allowed into Israel or Lebanon, and it is
very cold there are raining.  There has been quite the stir on the Israeli
left over the expulsions, and the Palestinian delegation is threatening to
leave the peace talks.  It remains to be seen if they will actually do so.
The reaction of the Arab states has not yet come in yet.  Bill Clinton has
issued a sort of middle of the road statement in which he says he understands
how the Israelis feel about Hammas but that he doesn't think it is worth
disrupting the peace talks over (that is my interpretation, I haven't had
a good look at the text yet).

                                                Chris Morrison
                                                cmorriso@snyescva.bitnet

Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Groups Denounce GATT, NAFTA in Ad
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Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:11:13 GMT

/** headlines: 591.0 **/
** Topic: Groups Denounce GATT, NAFTA in Ad **
** Written  9:34 am  Dec 18, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:headlines **
/* Written  2:32 pm  Dec 17, 1992 by newsdesk in igc:headlines% */
/* ---------- "Groups Denounce GATT, NAFTA in Ad" ---------- */
/* Written  9:59 am  Dec 14, 1992 by kmander in igc:trade.strategy */
/* ---------- "Groups Denounce GATT, NAFTA in Ad" ---------- */
ENVIRONMENTAL, CONSUMER GROUPS RIP GATT, NAFTA IN AD

A coalition of environmental and consumer groups sponsored a full-page 
advertisement in three major U.S. newspapers today accusing President Bush of 
rushing to complete the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and the 
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) before President-elect Bill Clinton 
assumes office January 20.  

The ad encourages people to write Bush, Clinton and House Majority Leader 
Richard Gephardt (D-Missouri) demanding an end to efforts to enact GATT and 
NAFTA.  The groups said the agreements would endanger jobs, health, food safety,
the environment and threaten the sovereignty of the U.S. and other
countries by enabling "the world's largest corporations to circumvent
democracy and kill those local and national laws that protect people and
the planet."

The statement ran in today's NEW YORK TIMES, WASHINGTON POST and LITTLE ROCK 
GAZETTE under the headline "Sabotage of America's Health, Food Safety, and 
Environmental Laws."  It was signed by the Sierra Club, Greenpeace U.S.A, the 
Foundation on Economic Trends, Public Citizen and 17 other organizations.

Source: "Sabotage! of America's Health, Food Safety, and Environmental Laws," 
NEW YORK TIMES (national edition), December 14, 1992, p. A12.
** End of text from cdp:headlines **
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:35:15 GMT


		=====================================
		" S p e c i a l   I n t e r e s t s "
		=====================================

Regarding those corporations in the business of selling mass audiences
to client companies and businesses, also known as The Free Press, and
one more instance of its employed DoubleSpeak:

"An important semantic development of the past decade that is closely
related to the doublespeak of moderateness and extremism is the new
usage of the concept of "special interests." In earlier years,
special interests meant narrow groups, mainly business groups, who
seek political privilege by lobbying and bribery. Recently, special
interests has come to mean blacks, women, Hispanics, labor, unions,
farmers, and others who add up to a very subtantial majority of the
population. At the same time, business interests are no longer
included in the category -- and by an unspoken new premise their
interests have become synonymous with the National Interest. This
premist is base on the fact that many politicians cannot imagine a
solution to economic problems other than by making things attractive
for business investment; and if they did propose an alternative
solution their campaign funding would dry up ..."

		Edward S. Herman, on "`Moderates' & `Extremists'" in
		his column on "DoubleSpeak," Z magazine, March 1988

[For more about Z, email harelb@math.cornell.edu]


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