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From: hillig@cs.tu-berlin.de (Markus Hillig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Computer Shopper Review...bad news for SBPro
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:21:28 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
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ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric W Braeden) writes:


>Everyone should turn to the article starting on page 186 of the
>February issue of Computer Shopper. The article lists about every
>soundcard available in the USA. It reviews the Turtle Beach, PAS 16,
>and SBPro in some detail. 

>For those that favor the SBPro there is some bad news. The article
>claims the analog section of the card is limited to a range from
>8.4 Hz to 6.4 KHz. And the digital record/playback circuitry is
>even worse...limited to 2.6 KHz !!!

In a German computer magazin (c't 1/93 p.118) there was a sound card test, too.
They published similar results regarding the frequency range of the SBPro
and claimed that it's not worth it to sample with high sample rates (44.1 kHz)
with the SBPro because it makes only your sound files bigger but doesn't improve
the sound quality.

>If this is true, it sure is a joke to think you can record at a
>44.1 KHz sampling rate...Why bother? 11 KHz would be far more than
>enough if you can only get 2.6 KHz into the board.

>Could some one with a sig gen and SBPro check this?

>The PAS16 and Turtle Beach units look MUCH better. Sorry GUS lovers,
>they did not review your precious toy.
They didn't test the GUS either. But I think that's due to the fact that you
can't buy it in Germany.

MARKUS
> 
>Eric

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Date: Friday, 22 January 1993 18:41:10 EST
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From: "Tim Triemstra" <empath@ais.org>
Organization: Empath Software
Subject: Re: Development kits: recommendations sought
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Distribution: world

In <c3k32aj@rpi.edu>, hsiaoe@barh110.its.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)  wrote:
   >
   >There's a great soundkit out there called the John Miles Soundkit, and it
   >allows you to support many different soundcards in this one package.  It takes
   >care of all the drivers, so you really don't have to worry about it.  Among
   >those supported include SB, SB Pro (both versions), PAS, PAS +/16, AdLib Gold,
   >and many others.  I'm not sure, but the latest version of the kit may also
   >support the GUS.  I don't know how much this kit goes for, but many commercial
   >game developers use it, including Interplay (BC4000) & Microprose (Rex Neb).
   >Each card is supported in it's native mode, so if the card is stereo, you can
   >get stereo output.

Eric, do you know where someone could get their hands on this, or at least
phone the company for some information?  I'd be interrested, but as I program
in 32bit DOS extender modes I'd definitely have to ask some questions first.

Thanks.
Tim.

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From: blevins@athena.mit.edu (Matthew R B Conway)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: ASL Cyber Audio Card - Something new??
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:28:49 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan21.211928.19431@radian.uucp> jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange) writes:

>The company is ASL (Applied Systems Lab) in Irvine, CA. and their 
>number is 1-800-998-3883.  The board is referred to as "Cyber Audio".
>
>The salesman told me the board has been out about 3 months and isn't
>available in stores yet.  So does anyone have one of these things,
>and how would it compare with something like the GUS?


SO what about soundblaster compatibility???

-Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Subject: Re: GUS v1.22
Originator: tmcreek@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:36:02 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.175840.6789@lclark.edu>, harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.012504.2392@sfu.ca> mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy) writes:
>>> If you like all your eggs in one basket (like me), this is worth
>>> getting. It does not include the new mixer, but I added it using
>>> ezarc.
>> 
>>Are the 1.22 disks an official release from Gravis or not?  The
>>reason I ask is because on the Gravis Support BBS disks 1.21 are
>>still up, not the 1.22.
>
>I think they just havn't been moved to the right directory.  One thing I
>forgot to mention is that I didn't have BWCC.DLL for Patchman.  Of course
>I still had it laying around from the previous version, but it wasn't on
>the new disk set.
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>

I noticed that too.  Very annoying.  I fixed that with ezarc as well.
Can someone confirm or deny the status of the v1.22 disks as official or
not?  Enquiring minds would like to know.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: wiseb@fomalhaut.cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise)
Subject: Sound Cards in New Portables?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:30:18 GMT

Has anyone tried connecting a soundcard to one of the new IBM notebook
compters (e.g. ThinkPad)?  All of the new notebooks use Micro Channel
architecture not ISA.  Do the sound cards only work with ISA
architecture machines?  

Please respond by emal....thanks!
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From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Wave Blaster?!?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:50:43 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1993Jan21.204204.25111@frmug.fr.mugnet.org> zarkdav@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Benjamin Ryzman) writes:
>gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tom Sorensen) writes:
>> In <wfIGG0O00iV3A4Ats3@andrew.cmu.edu> kc3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin
>Wengcheong Cheng) writes:
>> 
>> >>voice wave-table synthesis technology and is exclusively
>> >>licensed from E-mu Systems.

If it was the same thing as the Multisound, would it be exclusive? I tought
so. It is the lower grade unit that is on the wave blaster.

>> >OK, what I'd like to know is that since the Wave Blaster seems to be
>> >using wave-table sysnthesis too, wouldn't it sound as good as the GUS?
>> No. It'll sound better. *MUCH* better. The Waveblaster uses the EMU

You must be joking? The DOC II is a better synth chip that the EMU. Also,
the most important point in getting a good sound reproduction is the DAC.
On the multisound you have a 1 bit sigma delta with 64x oversampling DAC.
On the GUS it is a 16 bit dac and on the wave blaster it uses the DAC on
the SB16ASP which has a lower S/N ratio than the GUS.

>Please do not forget that the Wave Blaster has a MIDI brother, the Midi
>Blaster, which is the same, except bundled as a midi expander. So you will
>be able to connect it to the GUS and use its functionnalities like a SB16
>would...

Why would anyone want to do that?

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From: hsiaoe@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)
Subject: Re: ASL Cyber Audio Card - Something new??
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:56:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.211928.19431@radian.uucp> jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange) writes:
>On pg 4 of INFOWORLD Direct (not INFOWORLD) there is an ad for a
>sound card that I had not seen before.  It features:
>
> ... specs deleted...
>
>The company is ASL (Applied Systems Lab) in Irvine, CA. and their 
>number is 1-800-998-3883.  The board is referred to as "Cyber Audio".
>
>The salesman told me the board has been out about 3 months and isn't
>available in stores yet.  So does anyone have one of these things,
>and how would it compare with something like the GUS?

This looks like it's one of the new Aria based cards, a chipset that
conforms to the General MIDI standard.  For more info on Aria based cards,
read the Jan/Feb '93 issue of GIF News.  To receive it via E-mail, send me
private mail, else see FTP address below.
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From: jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GUS Installation Help ... Please ...!
Summary: HELP!
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:57:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.C1Iv4B.IKG
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Ok ... I just purchased a GUS.  I installed the board according to the
instructions, and the default Base Port 220h is conflicting with something.
(I don't know what, but it won't let me boot up fully)
Anyway, I changed the Base to 210h, and the computer is happy.  Now,
I've installed the software fully, but SETUP.EXE won't recognize that
I have the GUS installed.  :(

Nor, any other GUS programs :(

I've tried changing the Base Ports to all of the choices, but they do the
same thing.  No SETUP.EXE.  Only Once did SETUP work, but the other programs
do not.

Also, I do not have an OPTi chipset.

HELP!!

I'd like to get comments at my e-mail address, but will read the newsgroup
for postings.

THANKS.!

-Lee.

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From: wallcave@updike.sri.com (Steve Wallcave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Microsoft Sound System Card
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:42:55 GMT
Organization: sri

In article <rdippold.727988170@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>dwahl@teal.csn.org (David Wahl) writes:
>>Anybody know what the sound card is which comes with the Microsoft
>>Sound System?

>For gaming use, I have heard rumors that it is AdLib compatible, but
>don't know for sure.

I installed it and it plays music for AdLib games. It does not play voices.
Is this an AdLib shortcoming or is it not fully AdLib compatible?
(Carmen Sandiego Deluxe and Hoyles Games were tried)

It was an easy to install card. It only has windows software with it.
The voice recognition does not seem to guess the right commmand always.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Demo Group?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:58:06 GMT

Before Christmas there was some talk of a PC group demo group.  Is
there still any interest?  If there's enough, I'm willing to do the
gruntwork.  There are a couple questions and comments.

Are there enough members of demo groups on Usenet, and would more find
access if such a group appeared?  Most of these guys are in Europe and
Scandinavia, and while we obviously have people posting from there I
don't know how hard it is to get access.  Renaissance has a strong
presence, but I don't know on the rest.

Obvious uses of the group are announcements of new demos, discussions
of new demos (something that's sadly missing, from what I've seen),
information about the demo groups, etc.  Anything else revolutionary
I'm missing?  We need a fairly good RFD.

Would this just be a discussion group, pointing people to ftp sites to
grab the actual demos, or do we need a binaries group as well?  We
can't post the huge binaries for these demos on the discussion group.
Would an "alt.binaries" group be sufficient for the binaries?  We
already have an "official" ftp site.

How do we make sure this is not seen as a general software demo group,
so we don't get posts about a demo version of Ultima Underworld or
Borland C, etc.?

If the demos group is primarily discussion driven, it should probably
be "comp.sys.ibm.pc.xxx" (where xxx is the name of the group).  The
alt group (if needed) would be "alt.binaries.xxx".  If this is going
to be binaries driven it needs to be "comp.binaries.ibm.pc.xxx" and
"comp.binaries.ibm.pc.xxx.d".

Let's talk!  Can someone get in contact with members from some of the
groups who don't have Usenet access?
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From: pancake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Daniello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: My theory on GUS clicking
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:56:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <C1Fzz9.C6u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chuckie@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Gunn, C Stephen) writes:
>From what everone describes, when you are playing a patch, you are using
>the FM synth.. However when playing digitized data, you have to set up
>is to make sure that when the Ensoniq is going to swap, have a value in

Uh, the Gravis Ultrasound does not use FM synthesis.  The patches it plays
are digital samples.  You can convert a wav file into a patch if you want
even.  Are you sure this is the same chip?
:1

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From: ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: A few MODs won't play by GUSMOD
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:10:32 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <1993Jan23.001344.63082@cc.usu.edu> sl8nl@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.024039.18551@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, apollo@ee.ualberta.ca (Apollo Wong) writes:
>> I just got GUSMOD v1.1 a few days ago and run it through my ~300 MODs. I
>> noticed that GUSMOD won't play some of the MODs properly. When I try to
>> play them, all I get is static garbage from the speaker. Here are part
>> of the list that GUSMOD v1.1 won't play.
>> 
>> x-static.mod
>> jm_jarre.mod
>> outrun.mod
>> alf.mod
>> copper1.mod
>> crokets.mod
>
>These are 15 channel mods, not the 31 channel mods that GUSMOD supports.  1.2
>has a fix for that, but in the meantime, just get a program like MODEDIT and
>convert them to 31 (load the mod in and save it back, automatic conversion).
>
>Joshua Jensen
>CyberStrike of Renaissance


Well i can only vouch for one of the mods above, because i worte it.
And Xstatic is not 15 channel!!
Its 4 channel and 31 samples ProTracker .MOD
It has speed commands in the file that may or may not confuse this GUSMOD 
player thingy.
Not having an IBM or soundcard i can't prove it.
But its probably the fine tune speed commands that are screwing up the player.
Not the fatc that its a 15 channel mod!!!

My friend

U4ia of Megawatts
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From: wity@iastate.edu (Senopati Pamungkas)
Subject: Re: Multimedia not need Soundcard
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:45:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.074015.12101@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>Senopati Pamungkas (wity@iastate.edu) wrote:
>
>: I do not discount the CD-ROM for MM, in fact I've been hoping to get a 
>: CD-ROM player soon.

>YOu do not have to buy a sound card, and you do not need to buy the fast
>CD-ROM, or SCSI. Just get the MM compatible cheapest CD-ROM you can find,
>and enjoy. You do not have to waIT forever.

There are lots of things to consider when one wants to buy a CD-ROM player.
One of those is whether the drive is multi-session or not, it is important
if you want to use PhotoCD.

>The speed in not important because the files are indexed. The searching is
>done in memory. The files are arranged nicely because it is a read-only 
>memory, there is no fragmentation etc.

Wrong!  Speed is indeed important for MultiMedia.  Buying a US$200 drive will
only make you regret later, 'cause they are too slow for MM.   
If you use it for your BBS, then speed is not important.

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From: chuckie@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Gunn, C Stephen)
Subject: Re: My theory on GUS clicking
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:41:08 GMT

Yes.. we were discussing some of the differences with the two Ensoniq chips
the other night on the #appleiigs channel on IRC. We decided that although
the chip may still have the anomoality in swap mode.. It had to have had
quite a bit of its architecture changed. (It can access 1Mb now instead of
64K bytes)  this alone means that there are 4 bits more allocated to address
where the samples are located in memory. I tend to remember a couple being 
free in the IIGS, but Im not sure.. 

Speaking of that ... could someone post some information about the actuall
control registers for this new Ensoniq Chip. Id like to compare them to the
One that makes my IIgs sound great.

Sorry about the confusion on the FM with the GUS. Somewhere I was lead to
believe that the GUS had a dedicated Frequency  Modulation chip. If it
just uses ADSR Envelopes with the digitized playback. That means that it
could easily have support for asif instrument files.. or perhaps even a port
of MIDISynth from the IIgs.
 

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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (PAULIN MARC)
Subject: Re: A few MODs won't play by GUSMOD
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:17:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.024039.18551@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> apollo@ee.ualberta.ca (Apollo Wong) writes:
>From: apollo@ee.ualberta.ca (Apollo Wong)
>Subject: A few MODs won't play by GUSMOD
>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:40:39 GMT

>I just got GUSMOD v1.1 a few days ago and run it through my ~300 MODs. I
>noticed that GUSMOD won't play some of the MODs properly. When I try to
>play them, all I get is static garbage from the speaker. Here are part
>of the list that GUSMOD v1.1 won't play.

>x-static.mod
>jm_jarre.mod
>outrun.mod
>alf.mod
>copper1.mod
>crokets.mod


	That's weird.  My ALF.MOD works perfectly.
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From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SB Compatibility, are they really?
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:59:39 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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In <gksmith.53.0@mcl.cc.utexas.edu> gksmith@mcl.cc.utexas.edu (Glenn Smith) writes:

>I'm wondering about the compatibility of the various sound boards with
>the Sound Blaster.  The PAS-16 board, ?Thunder Board?, and others claim
>to be Adlib and SB compatible.  I assume that means FM sound?
>I'm interested in the DMA speech and other voices that the SB has.

I have had my Thunderboard for over a year now and haven't come accross a 
program that wouldn't use the card as a Soundblaster. Digitized voices work, 
as do the FM voices.

>How many of these boards uses drivers to emulate the SB?  

I think PAS-16 does, Thunderboard definitely does not. 

>Are any hardware compatible?

Thuderboard doesn't have the midi port of the SB, so I guess that counts
as an incompatibility.

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Date: Monday, 25 January 1993 22:34:37 EST
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From: "Tim Triemstra" <empath@ais.org>
Organization: Empath Software
Subject: Re: Twin SB Pro (Re: Gravis UltraSound 3D!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Distribution: world

I personally have a regular SoundBlaster hooked up to a NICE stereo which
includes 4 bose speakers around the room and a surround sound module. 
Although the surround-sound is obviously not perfect to the desired effects
on the game, it sure does add alot to the sound quality.  These SS decks
don't cost too much (certainly comparible with buying another soundcard.)

This is definitely a considderation for the meantime.  And, what the hey,
if you already have the soundcard hooked up to a good stereo, it may be
worth your while to walk by the local appliance/stereo store and check out
a good SS deck. 

Just a personal opinon.
Tim.

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