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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 14:23:07 EST
From: <IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Garvey!

I cannot help but think that what hurt Garvey most in his bid for
the Hall of Fame was the bad press he garnered towards the end of his
career. I am speaking of course about the paternity suits he emassed in
San Diego.

 As for Neikro, I think that his exclusion had to do with the lack of
respect for the knuckleball. Most people see it as some form of a parlor
trick not a pure pitch. There is no denying that he will get in
eventually, but it would give it a few more years.

Just my $.02. Ok, you can start attacking me now!
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From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Mos Eisley)
Subject: Florida Marlins Info
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:21:31 GMT

It's difficult to find information on the Florida Marlins and their recent
changes and moves unless you're from Miami. And even then, it's difficult. 

I read a recent article that said Charlie Hough, Dave Magadan, and a few
other notables would be on a promotion tour for the Marlins. Are these guys
on the team? If so, how?

Any interesting pitchers acquired recently? What's new? Who'll replace
Barger? Can anyone replace Barger? What's going on? 

If all of you could mail me interesting tidbits about any changes and moves
for the Marlins, I'd much appreciate it. Then I'll post a summary of these
reported changes for other Marlins fans. 

--
Mos Eisley
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:31:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: birkhoff.GRABINER.93Jan8143342
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: dfl@math.wayne.edu's message of 7 Jan 93 22:11:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.221131.17994@cs.wayne.edu>, David Frohardt-Lane writes:

> "..news that Tiger fans have been *waiting* to hear".  Yeah right.  
> Five years, thirty-six million.  My god, he's barely above average
> *right now*, can you imagine what he'll be like five years from now?

Here's what Brock2 says.

  YEAR     G    AB     R     H    2B    3B    HR   RBI    BB   AVG
  1993   161   609    86   153    23     0    37   105    74 0.251 
  1994   157   601    84   152    23     0    34   100    73 0.253 
  1995   157   579    75   141    22     0    31    91    69 0.244 
  1996   156   578    69   137    21     0    28    85    69 0.237 
  1997   156   564    66   132    20     0    26    80    71 0.234 

The RBI projections may be a bit low; Brock2 assumes that he will bat
with an average number of runners on base, rather than the same number
as last year, with Whitaker and Tettleton in front of him.  The rest of
the numbers seem reasonable, for a player who is now just past his peak.


--
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"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
From: dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Spehr
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:35:51 GMT
Distribution: na

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.133601.13139@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>>
>>Maybe, but there are a few things in his favor.  First, he walks a lot, so
>>even if he bats only .230 (which will probably happen), he will still have a
>>better than average OBP.  

>What's "a lot"?  In AAA, 1990-91, he walked 66 times in 522 AB.  Of course,
>he also had 14 HBP, but neither of those really carried over to his 88 PA
>cup-of-coffee with KC in '91 (9 BB, 1 HBP).

He improved a bit in 92 (AAA):  61 walks in 336 AB; .384 OBP and .452 SLG. 
(He also had 11 HBP... hmmm...) 


dk
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:36:46 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: cecil "lind" fielder

with all this cecil talk, i just remembered that in the 1988 stats for
earl weaver baseball, cecil was listed with two defensive positions:
his primary position was first base, and his secondary position was
second base.

my friends and i thought this was hilarious when we noticed it.  does
anybody know if either ewb screwed up, or if cecil actually, uh, "played",
to use the term loosely, some second base in 1988?

bob vesterman.

Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:37430 alt.folklore.urban:33222
From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Definitive "Baby Ruth" answer
Summary: nicknames
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:05:12 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan9.045938.3394@leland.Stanford.EDU> dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>
>This raises the more interesting question of where Babe Ruth
>got *his* nickname. Was he named after the candy bar? After
>President Cleveland's daughter? Or was Ruth's nickname merely
>a curious coincidence?
Probably a coincidence.  Nicknames were often derogatory, such as
"Ducky-Wucky", "The old lady in the red cap", or "Old aches and pains".
Anyone from a farm or small town could be called "Rube", and very 
young players were often called "Babe".  Ruth was 19 years old when
he got to the majors.
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Lists: The Best Players In Baseeball
Keywords: stars best baseball
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:07:18 GMT

  Well I'm kind of bored now and not a whole lot has gone on in the winter
lately so I'll post something no one will agree with completely: Here are
several lists that anyone can make comments on. The players are evaluated on
how good I think the player is (as in how he'd play in 1993):

Best Players Overall:
P: Roger Clemens (anyone care to argue?)
RP: Dennis Eckersley
1B: Frank Thomas
2B: Ryne Sandberg
3B: Edgar Martinez (yes, over Pendleton)
SS: Barry Larkin
C:  Mickey Tettleton (until Daulton can do it back to back)
OF: Barry Bonds (of course)
OF: Ken Griffey Jr.
OF: Rickey Henderson (assuming he's playing)

Best Players For Expansion Club To Have (under 25 years old or 25):
SP: John Smoltz  
RP: Gregg Olson or Mark Wohlers
1B: Frank Thomas   
2B: Roberto Alomar
3B: Dean Palmer or maybe Jeffries (still only 25)
SS: Wil Cordero (Fryman's a good choice also) 
 C: Pudge Rodriguez
OF: Ken Griffey Jr.
OF: Juan Gonzalez
OF: Phil Plantier

No Names With Eventual Star Potential (AL only)  
SP: Sam Millitello and just about any other Yank pitching prospect  
SP: Arthur Rhodes 
RP: Brad Pennington  
1B: 
2B: 
3B: Dean Palmer, Russ Davis 
SS: Mark Lewis
 C: David Nillson
OF: Greg Blosser (maybe)

Players Most Likely To Make Big Strides In 1993 
SP: Denny Neagle (Moving in rotation helps; as does 8.0 K/9ip)
SP: John Smoltz (possible Cy Young award; perhaps the best of their rotation)
SP: Pedro Martinez 
SP: Andy Benes
SP: Sam Millitello 
C: Eric Wedge (please play him! Make Gorman look like an idiot...)
1B: Jeff Bagwell (if Houston does well he could also win MVP)
2B: Bret Barberie (no one can stop him now)
SS: Wil Cordero (THE young shortstop in the game
3B: Gregg Jeffries or Jim THome could surprise  
CF: Ray Lankford (MVP possibility)
RF: Phil Plantier (1993 "Sheffield Award")

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)



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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: Clark v Thomas
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:16:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball

In article <1993Jan8.000104.20375@midway.uchicago.edu>,
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) wrote:

> Clark's only advantage is in defense.  It's not enough.  Point,set,match
> Thomas, 6-0,6-2,6-0.
> 
> The only way Clark will have a better season than Thomas in 1993 (assuming
> everyone healthy) is by beating up on Colorado Rockie pitching, which FT
> won't get to do.
> 

I love Big Frank, but you're selling the Thrill short. Depending on who you
ask, Clark is either the best defensive first base or one of the best.
Frank
is worse than average. Despite the recent dropoff in SB, Clark can beat
Frank
around the bases if Frank starts at first.

Most importantly, Clark has supplanted his half-brother Jack as the best 
clutch hitter in the game. He has produced in the clinch consistently
for years. I don't believe that Frank has done better in the clutch than
overall to date.

I wouldn't complain about either of them. If my team was in the Series and
I needed one of the two, I'd take Clark. In another two years, I might take
Frank. I'd certainly take Frank as a long-term investment, and am sure
he will prove to be a better hitter careerwise than Will.
 
=====
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:40:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.072048.3770@athena.mit.edu> frisch1@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan Katz) writes:

>You think Fielder is barely above average!!!

No, I *know* he's barely above average.

>I am a Mets fan, and I would love to see him on the Mets.  He is clearly an
>impact player.  Better than Bonds, no.  But a star?, yes, definitely!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, if this refers to the impact he makes on the ground when he
'runs,' sure.

He's a star, if by star you mean "big name player."  If you mean "among
the best in baseball," though, he's not.

What happened to the "veteran leadership" of Eddie Murray?  What happened
to that great "clutch hitting?"  You're ready to dump him?  Boy, that's
not what Mets fans usually say when I criticize Murray.
-- 
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niepornt@phoenix.    |  time to send the Statue of Liberty somewhere else"
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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Subject: Re: All-time All-Star trades (ATAS)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:55:26 GMT

Unless I missed it in a previous post, don't forget the Indians sending Rocky
Colavito to Detroit straight-up for Harvey Kuenn. I suppose technically this
was not a pre-season trade, as it happened in mid April, a week or two into
the 1960 season.
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From: akrao@athena.mit.edu (Arvind K Rao)
Subject: Re: Lists: The Best Players In Baseeball
Keywords: stars best baseball
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:32:06 GMT

someone was saying how John Jaha and Ricky Bones could become
breakthrough players in 93 and I thought it would be a good time
to point out despite Jaha's great minor league numbers he's a
unlikely person to be a star.  He's floundered in the minors for
too long; he's 26 and it's possibly he's already peaked --
many players peak at 26 as well as 27.  Bones hasa poor k/bb
ratio and has never allowed less than a hit/ip in the minors.
They'll be average players in my opinion.

I still wish the Brewers luck though; Eldred could the real thing.

Arv
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: All-time All-Star trades (ATAS)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:06:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     More in this continuing pre-season saga.  I'll let some of these sink
in, and do "reports" from spring training sites in a few days.

Other pre-season trades:
Baltimore&Brookangeles:
To Orioles:  P Burleigh Grimes and OF Pete Reiser
To Dodgers:  1B/PH Boog Powell
Boston&Chicago:
To Red Sox:  P Tom Seaver and 2B-SS-3B Bill Melton
To Chicago:  LF Jim Rice
Boston&Baltimore
To Red Sox:  C Elrod Hendricks, SS/2B Luis Aparicio, and P Storm Davis
To Orioles:  IF Bill Melton
Cleveland&Minnesota
To Indians:  P Jim Kaat
To Twins/Senators:  1B/OF Hal Trosky and P Mike Garcia
Baltimore & Detroit
To Baltimore:  C Lance Parrish, 1B/OF Rudy York, OF Gates Brown, and OF Jim Northrup 
To Detroit:  P Steve Stone, P Sammy Stewart, and SS/3B Cal Ripken, Jr.
Detroit&Kansas City
To Tigers: P Paul Splitorff, Kevin Appier & Tom Gordon & IF U.L. Washington
To Royals:  SS-3B Cal Ripken, Jr.
Washington&Baltimore
To Senators/Rangers:  2B/LF Davey Johnson and C Rick Dempsey
To Orioles:  C Jim Sundberg
Angels&Braves
To Angels:  1B/OF Wally Berger and P Johnny Sain
To Braves:  OF/1B Don Baylor
Padres&Yankees
To Padres:  1B Don Mattingly and C Thurm Munson
To Yankees:  C Benito Santiago; 2B-SS Gary Templeton; 1B-PH Steve Garvey; P Gaylord Perry; P Eric Show; and P Dennis Rasmussen
Tigers&Blue Jays
To Tigers:    3B/SS Rance Mulliniks, 2B Damaso Garcia, and P Luis Leal
To Blue Jays: 2B Lou Whittaker and P Steve Stone
Red Sox&Mariners
To Red Sox:   P Floyd Bannister and 3B Jim Presley
To Mariners: P Bill Lee and 3B Butch Hobson
Pirates & Mets
To Mets:     SS Arky Vaughn and P Wilbur Cooper
To Pirates: P Ron Darling, P Nolan Ryan, P Jesse Orosco, and IF Bud Harrelson
Reds & Braves
To Braves:  P Dolf Luque, C Ernie Lombardi and 1B Tony Perez
To Reds:    P Phil Niekro, C Del Crandall and IF Eddie Stanky
-- 
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    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Astros Contenders?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:57:37 GMT

In <1ifhe0INN1nl@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU (sam lane) writes:

>paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:

>>Up until today, I was thinking that the Astros were going to do pretty well
>>this year. 
>>
>>Today I heard that they had signed Jose Uribe.
>Horror of horrors...and Kevin Bass too.

  Well at least they didn't sign Cory Snyder.....

>Despite these losers, the Astros should still win 90 ball games this
					 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 What? Extremely unlikely... last year the Astros were very fortunate to play
at the level they did (they were 81-81). They were outscored by 60 runs last
year meaning that 75-87 was the record they should have had. (Teams that are
outscored usually have losing records). They also have the Plexiglass principle
working against them; teams that change records dramatically tend to go the 
opposite year in the next meaning the Astros are likely to slide back down.
  Houston has a LOT of holes which are covered by young players. Of course,
young players is the way to go...not with the Kevin Basses and Jose Uribe's 
of the world. Among there young talent who is really close to being a star
player? Bagwell, definitely. Biggio's good too but his D's got bad reports and
he's not a kid anymore. Finley's OK but no Andy Van Slyke. Remeber, I just
discussed there three BEST position players.
  Caminiti had a very good year....but is he likely to duplicate that or revert
to his career of mediocrity. Luis Gonzalez had a .289 OBP. Eric Anthony had a
.295 OBP. Cedeno had a .232 OBP, along with other Astro SS Guerrero (.261)
Ramirez (.283) and now Uribe the big bopper with a .299 OBP. You can't win
when your SS, RF, LF all post sub .300 OBP unless you've got Gehrig, Griffey
Jr., Hornsby, Schmidt at your other positions. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention
that Ed Taubensee put up a .299 OBP. So here's our starting scenario and
summary for the Astro's:

1. Finley	decent
2. Biggio 	decent
3. Bagwell	Excellent
4. Anthony	Garbage 
5. Caminiti	Mediocre
6. Gonzalez	Wish you were Juan or Speedy or at least Gone...Zalez
7. Taubensee	Auto Out
8. Whoever	Not even good enough for Expansion
9. Pitcher      The only RBI threat in the bottom of the order

  Eye Surgeons couldn't produce much uglier pictures than this one.

So is the pitching really that good? No. I don't think Atlanta could win with
these position players. 
  Drabeck and Swindell are great pitchers. But there starting rotation is thin
after these guys and Harnish and the bullpen are unlikely at best to perform
last years performance.
  The Astros may contend with 85 Wins but there roster leaves you wondering why
everyone's so high on them.

						Gord Niguma
						(fav player: John Olerud)


 
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From: DONS@UNB.CA (DONS000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Which baseball publication is the best one to subscribe to?
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:56:04 GMT
Organization: The University of New Brunswick

In article <1993Jan5.192920.20979@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
>In article <03JAN93.20307003.0037@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, DONS <DONS@UNB.CA> writes:
>
>OK, how 'bout this: Baseball Digest is written for your standard 12 year-old
>baseball junkie. The writing is way too simple-minded and gee-whiz for my
>taste, but to each his own. The other things you say about it are true, so
>if one is looking for that type of info, it's OK.
> Paul Anderson                                                         11
>.
  Yep, perhaps you're right, Paul.  Another good reason why Baseball
  can be a good magazine for the right audience.  As the father of a
  13 year baseball fan I think these young junkies are great.  My
  daughter and her friends sure help me appreciate the game in a
  way I had partly forgotten.  She doesn't read Baseball Digest,
  but thanks for the tip. Anything that feeds her habit is OK
  by me.  Maybe I'll get her a subscription.

>. Don Soucy
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From: eblom@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Kate E Eblom)
Subject: Re: The Minnesota Twins
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:43:32 GMT

Watch for Bert become the first pitcher to win his 300th game
while leading the league in homeruns allowed.  Hope the 
BBB team has their pencils ready...
Hrbek should have his career year in '93.  He is in the best
shape since his early years, Winfield to protect him, and, damn it,
he's due.

TTFN - The Woodman

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: The Monthly Mattingly Flame War
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:59:42 GMT

In article <C0M6pC.IIp@news.iastate.edu> vbdiep@iastate.edu (Vinh Diep) writes:
>	While many of you are arguing about Will Clark and Frank Thomas, and 
>one is better than the other, one player that some of you seem to ignore will
>surprise baseball fans in 1993. That All-Star first-baseman is DON MATTINGLY.

You meant 1983, right?  Right now, Mattingly isn't fit to hold either
Thomas's or Clark's jock.  For that matter, Mattingly has *never* had
a season as good as Thomas's best season, even though he's been around for
ten years.

> 	Any questions?

What are you smoking?  Mattingly will be 32 in 1993.  He hasn't had an
above-average year since 1989 and hasn't been in contention for best
first-baseman since 1987 (when both the Clarks were better than him) nor 
has he *been* the best first-baseman since 1986.  32-year olds don't get
surprisingly better, they get worse, especially when they have back
problems. 

My other question is why Mattingly fans are the most self-delusional
people on the face of the earth.  Not even Cecil Fielder generates
such myopia, and he's only had one below-average season, rather than 
three in a row. 
-- 
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From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Justice and Gant
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:15:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	The Braves should certainly consider trading off both Gant and Justice
while they are worth something.
	Justice is a Big Baby.  That's what we call him--the Big Baby.  He has
too much money and too big of a film career ahead of him to care enough about
baseball to live up to his potential.  He does not like playing in Atlanta and
he will turn Free Agent and leave when he can, anyway.  He is, however, a good
defensive player, because he has a great arm.  He's certainly not as fast as
the Braves' fast outfield, but who is?
	Gant probably has as much talent below the neck as any player in the
game.  He's unfortunately overbuilt his upper body muscles so that he tries too
hard to hit home runs.  He is not a great fielder, although he is so fast he canmake up for mistakes in judgment.  To his credit, he is getting better.  His
main problem is in his head.  He thinks too much or something.  Any time he
either gets comfortable, or gets close to a milestone, he starts pushing too
hard and he can't hit.  He seems to do best when he is truly threatened, sits
down a few games, and comes off the bench to get 3 hits.  (This is an ironic 
way for a choker to respond to pressure, I admit.)
	I hope I'm wrong about both these guys.  I hope Justice falls in love
with baseball as much as with himself and becomes one of the all-time great
Braves.  I hope Gant reads Satch Paige and goes to John Smoltz's psychiatrist.
But I'll believe it when I see it.  (Of course, I said that about the Braves
breaking .500, too.)
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From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:43:13 PST

In article <1993Jan8.182153.25244@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry) writes:

  {other articles deleted}

> 
> You guys get so bogged down in your stats and comparisons, that you
> forget what the Detroit owner really wants to do - get people to
> the park and make money.  Fielder is as big (no pun intended) in
> Detroit as other superstars are in other towns.  When the town loses
> the superstars, they tend not to support the team until they either
> get a new superstar or start winning.  In Chicago, the guys on
> the radio are already advocating not going to Bears pre-season games
> next year because McCaskey fired Ditka (Chicagos' newest superstar
> hero).  Detroit needs Fielder and $$$ shouldn't be an issue.
> 
> Rich Barry
> barry@ihlpe.att.com

  Blah.

  Fielder may bring fans to Detroit, no argument.
  Not signing Fielder would have caused a PR problem, no argument.

  But winning games and championships brings fans for the longer term.

  ( and I hope that you are not implying that Yount is worth $7M /yr
    for being Milwaukee's superstar, Baerga (or Alomar) for Clev's,
    and Santiago is Miami's new superstar. )

  Mark Pede
 
  
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