HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu
Summary: How nice of you to be so snide
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:42:29 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <SPACE.92Sep6172545@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org>, space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau) writes:
> >>>>> On 31 Aug 92 18:38:11 GMT, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) said:
> >>Users like Mutlu can be dealt with in a variety of means, all of which have
> >>been in evidence on the net. First and foremost among them is the KILL file,

> > Not always; I read and send lots of news thru a public access site or two, 
> > and they run WAFFLE, or Whatever, which does not support kill files; in
> > other cases kill files exist but users don't know about them. 

> I don't think we should reduce the technical standard of Usenet to the lowest
> common denominator, some Foobar Usenet system developed by someone on the
> Sinclair ZX81, do you? 

Waffle was neither developed on a Sinclair nor is it a Foobar USenet
system. Find out what you are talking about before spewing flamage
please. 

> If a system does not support KILL files, change it or
> drop it, but don't ask the rest of us (the overwhelming majority) to act as if
> they didn't exist.

Some people CAN'T "change it or drop it".  Your argument smacks of an
elitist mentality and has been used on the net before.  Also, please
state the statistics which support your assertion of actions of "(the
overwhelming majority)". 

> As for the newbie not knowing about KILL files, again I cannot agree that we
> should drop all the goodies a rookie does not know about. Rookies generally
> don't know about cross posting, are you suggesting we don't use cross posting
> in the future?

It IS possible for new users to be unaware of kill files. It is also
possible for long time users who ARE running 'Real Usenet Software' [tm]
to not even HAVE them. 

>                                  Nevertheless, the idea of banning someone
> from the net because his posts are unwanted leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Agreed. Banning someone from the net is a singularly difficult task in
any case. The idea of TRYING to do it is ludicrous. 

Please note, I am NOT arguing against kill files and/or news software
that uses them.  I AM defending those net-readers who may not have
software supporting them and the assertion that they are somehow less
worthy of consideration in any matter dealing with the net.  I ran
Waffle for some time here.  Now I run Unix with Bnews (Vnews as a
reader).  Still no kill file but a well used N key instead. 

But then, I'd rather spend my time reading news than trying to squeeze
yet another line into killfile. 

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 frackit!dave@uunet.UU.NET -or- dave@frackit.uucp -or-   |  Sys. <*> Admin. |
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Xref: sparky news.admin:7495 soc.culture.greek:8576
From: zaphiri@zoro.cis.temple.edu (Zaphiris Christidis)
Newsgroups: news.admin,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Testing, Argic, zuma
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:19:46 GMT
Organization: Temple University

While testing the newsfeed at zoro.cis.temple.edu, I came across the following
test-article:

# From cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!..!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system 
# Article 22108 of alt.test:
# Path: cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!..!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system
# >From: system@zuma.uucp (SYSTEM 0PERATOR)
# Newsgroups: alt.test
# Subject: testing
# Message-ID: <eT6mqB1w164w@zuma.uucp>
# Date: 5 Sep 92 18:42:25 GMT
#
# news feed

1) The "path:" is very interesting!!!. "!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system". 
2) Does "zuma" exist in the UUCP tables?
3) We all know who is using "anatolia". It seems it is feeding off uunet now.
4) For those who think that 'argic' has gone on a labor day pic-nic, think
   again. 'argic' is labouring to use real news-feed this time.
5) Don't let the uid of "SYSTEM 0PERATOR" fool you.
6) He is baaaa-aaaack!!


Zaphiris D. Christidis,
From: woneill@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu (Bill O'Neill)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Help with cnews/nntpxmit?
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:40:24 GMT
Organization: Temple University

Recieved several responses to my query- thank you!

Apparently the problem is that nntpxmit has to be run from the spool directory
since the out.going file only has the relative pathnames. I understand that
one of the patches to CNEWS handles this but we didn't have the patch so the
following change worked for us:

change the line 
time nntpxmit ${host} ${send}

to 
(cd /usr/spool/news ; time nntpxmit ${host}:$batchdir/${send} )

Several people suggested this work around- thanks to all of you!

<cut along dotted line>
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bill O'Neill                                               The Woneill
Temple University                                woneill@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
7th Floor Computer Activity Building                Usenet News administrator
Broad & Montgomery Avenues                                 IRC operator
Philadelphia, PA 19122                               Cynical Temple Student

-- 
                     
	             -------------------------------
Bill O'Neill			_is_ 		woneill@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
Temple University	Broad and Montgomery Aves.	Philadelphia, PA
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: he's baaaaack (and cost of net feeds)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:16:34 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <Bu9r8t.HAu@portal.hq.videocart.com> kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>UUNET is cheap IF you don't take an >incoming< news feed.  That is, it you
>only use it to send news, you can do it for no more than $30-40 a month max!
>
>Why does he need to take an incoming feed to send news?  The fact is he
>doesn't.  Or mail either for that matter.  So you have a one-way pipe, being
>paid for, which can be used all that anatolia's admin is willing to pay for.

In other words, the Fur Club For Men (tm), Ginsaku Knives (tm), and
Delta Burke's Excercise'n'Chocolate Video (tm) are all $40 a month
away from flooding the net with advertisments/infomercials? (time to sound
the buzzer for imminent death of the net)

>This was the predictable evolution of this series of events.  No surprise to
>me.  In fact I expected it from the start.

Yes. I'd call it "The Mother of All Feeds". Or, "Dream-Teaming the net".

>>always been cool and I doubt they'd tolerate the stuff anadolu/zuma (what the
>>HELL does zuma mean?) got away with in the past...
>
>They have common-carrier status I believe -- therefore, they MUST tolerate 
>it.  As a common carrier they cannot judge on content or impose arbitrary
>sanction.  Read their subscriber agreement sometime.  Its refreshingly brief
>and to the point (ONE page printed on both sides) and mentions no content
>restriction beyond legality.

I'm sure they did not write it with these folks in mind :-). Maybe it's time
to send in the virtual lawyers to revisit the agreement (lots of :-)'s). 

It will be interesting to see how things would shape up in the next few 
weeks. 
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.misc,alt.internet.services,ba.general
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Subject: Will trade for ba.* feed
Followup-To: alt.internet.services
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:51:47 GMT

  A bunch of our students/grads are looking for information because they
work or will work in bay area.  We'd like to get a feed of these groups
to help them out.  Will trade full or partial feeds in return.

  NNTP is preferred, although other TCP/IP-based arrangements can be made.

-- 
John Kennedy/KC6RCK/warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu  "IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM!"
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: The "Fine Print" of the "contract"
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:41:52 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 5576666302ca5b8424a9ab988ba56b40

Andrew Ford has been pointing at the "What is Usenet" periodic posting
as the "fine print" for a "usenet contract".

He misattibutes the article to Gene Spafford (who merely posts it on a
monthly basis) but it is the work of Chip Salzenberg.

He, and everyone else, might want to take a good look at that "fine
print" he's so fond of quoting.... Chip has, quite validly and in a
timely manner, edited his posting.  Gone are the out-of-date references
to "public domain" and recast are some of the arguments and commentary
on the nature of the net.

I appreciate Chip's efforts on behalf of the net, and applaud the new
version of the "What is Usenet" periodic posting.

Mr Ford had better read the latest version before he points at it
again in support of his opinions.

And let us *not* forget that we are arguing about OPINIONS here, not
facts or real law.
-- 
Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
news%wolves@cs.duke.edu     ...duke!wolves!news     "We don't need no
There is a real person who watches this account.   stinking disclaimers"
From: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:19:55 GMT
	<3799@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>
Organization: United Federation of Planets
NNTP-Posting-Host: ncc1701.stgt.sub.org
In-reply-to: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca's message of 9 Sep 92 01:49:28 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Sep 92 01:49:28 GMT, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) said:

> And of course, the US Supreme Court has ruled several times
> that they would consider "violent overthrow" speech as being unprotected
> by the Constitution if the likelyhood of the material inciting unrest
> was high enough.  They just haven't found the likelyhood high enough
> in recent decisions.  Unlike, for example, back in the 30s with the
> "red scare" where thousands were arrested.

The above shows how arbitrary a court decision about the harmfulness of a
publication is bound to be. Tomorrow your favourite newspaper might be
considered harmful. Think about it.
--
Lars Soltau	bang: <insert ridiculously long path>	    BIX: -- no bucks --
		smart: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org

     Germany, Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, where dreams come true: Heaven is 911!
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: he's baaaaack
Summary: Easy to justify
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:00:28 GMT

In article <18ggipINN5lb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>zaphiri@zoro.cis.temple.edu (Zaphiris Christidis)
>
>> While testing the newsfeed at zoro.cis.temple.edu, I came across the following
>> test-article:
>> 
>> # From cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!..!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system 
>> # Article 22108 of alt.test:
>> # Path: cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!..!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system
>> # >From: system@zuma.uucp (SYSTEM 0PERATOR)
>> # Newsgroups: alt.test
>> # Subject: testing
>> # Message-ID: <eT6mqB1w164w@zuma.uucp>
>> # Date: 5 Sep 92 18:42:25 GMT
>> #
>> # news feed
>> 
>> 1) The "path:" is very interesting!!!. "!uunet!anatolia!zuma!system". 
>
>> 3) We all know who is using "anatolia". It seems it is feeding off uunet now.
>
>A scarier question; Feeding off Michigan.com (RIP) cost a few dollars a
>month, maybe, say, 20, 30. Something that a poor grad student in the
>upper midwest can afford.  How the <expletive deleted> can
>what's'his'name afford a feed off UUNET? I know  COMPANIES who have
>balked at the cost. 

UUNET is cheap IF you don't take an >incoming< news feed.  That is, it you
only use it to send news, you can do it for no more than $30-40 a month max!

Why does he need to take an incoming feed to send news?  The fact is he
doesn't.  Or mail either for that matter.  So you have a one-way pipe, being
paid for, which can be used all that anatolia's admin is willing to pay for.

This was the predictable evolution of this series of events.  No surprise to
me.  In fact I expected it from the start.

>Calm down, folks. I remember uunet's previous life, seismo.css.gov. UUnet has
>always been cool and I doubt they'd tolerate the stuff anadolu/zuma (what the
>HELL does zuma mean?) got away with in the past...

They have common-carrier status I believe -- therefore, they MUST tolerate 
it.  As a common carrier they cannot judge on content or impose arbitrary
sanction.  Read their subscriber agreement sometime.  Its refreshingly brief
and to the point (ONE page printed on both sides) and mentions no content
restriction beyond legality.

Anyone know if UUNET really >is< a common carrier?  I know that they do act
like one..... (which, IMHO, is a >very good thing<) and if that is their
intention (which it certainly is in their best interest to do) then I would
expect that we won't be seeing any change in this area soon.

(BTW, don't bother making the "NSFNet" argument on this one.  UUNET runs
Alternet as well, to which we're connected here, and over which you can send
all the commercial traffic free of AUPs you want -- which is also, IMHO, a
VERY good thing).

--
Karl Denninger 		Inet:  kdenning@hq.videocart.com
VideOcart Inc.		Voice: (312) 987-5022
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Non-compliant articles, week ending 6 September 92
Date: 6 Sep 92 11:50:49 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences


         Invalid Headers, week ending 6 September 92

    The following is a list of articles which were dropped by the news 
    software here for a non-compliant header.  If a message ID from your 
    site is on this list then your news software may be out of compliance 
    with the RFCs on netnews articles and should be fixed.

Header contains non-header line:
	article 
	<1992Aug31.124651.1295@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
		`Summary:New/Fresh Plot for MA Movie'
	<TOMF.92Sep1234312@ai.bunny.gte.com> `Distribution:'
	<1670@ceylon.gte.com>
		`References:<1992Aug27.214821.8938@news.unomaha.edu> <1992...'
	<9389@travis.csd.harris.com> `References:'
	<10413@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
		`References:<1992Aug21.150720.2208@acuson.com> <1992Aug23....'
	<1992Sep3.034331.8702@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> `Sender:ravindra pandey'
	<1992Sep4.165649.17685@eng.ufl.edu>
		`Subject:Answers about Perfect Box 4.56 '
	<1992Sep4.180600.21613@eng.ufl.edu> `Subject:VCR's '
	<135437@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
		`References:<183n54INNoa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <03lnnt_.tyg...'
	<24528@oasys.dt.navy.mil> `Followup-To:rec.aquaria'
	<6102@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> `Keywords:'
	<2052@diasonx.UUCP> `References:'

Unapproved article in moderated group:
	<31AUG199215254283@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> `vmsnet.sources'
	<31AUG199223385938@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> `vmsnet.sources'

Newsgroup list contains white space:
	<WITCHEL.92Aug31173843@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
		`rec.music.gdead, rec.audio, rec.audio.high-end, rec.audio.pro'

No @ in Message ID:
	<1992Aug2509:38:45> 
	<1992Aug2509:39:45> 

No From: header:
	<1992Sep3.163853.1441@codeworks.com> 
	<9208302101.AA18788@BU.EDU> 
	<9208302101.AA18788@BU.EDU> 
	<1992Sep4.160732.21765@news.nd.edu> 

No Date or unparsable Date:
	<89.2AA3B7D7@toadnet.org> `Sun, 31 Aug92   0:28:00 CDT'
	<91.2AA6EEC2@toadnet.org> `Tue, 02 Sep92   1:40:00 CST'
	<93.2AA84151@toadnet.org> `Wed, 03 Sep92   2:49:00 CST'
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:48:08 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <MEWI3PM@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
|In article <3776@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
|>In article <F7TI7U9@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
|>>In article <3768@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
|>>>I've often considered class-action libel or slander lawsuits a better
|>>>approach than the laws we have, but we don't have that option because
|>>>class-action suits in themselves aren't valid here....

|>>That has a certain attraction. I'd love to see some of the suits Consumer
|>>Reports and similar organizations would face, though.

|>Why?  Are they saying nasty things about "some identifiable group"?

|Sure. They have issued broadcast denunciations against whole industries
|in the past. In general, I happen to agree with them, but the people who
|are denounced probably don't. And this would open them up to class-action
|libel suits if such existed.

If the denunciations are untrue, why not?  Accusations against a group
shouldn't absolve the accuser of responsibility any more than against
individuals.

|>Organizations like CR produce reports that you can more-or-less trust.

|Sometimes less than more. CR in particular has this habit of taking on
|studies they're just not qualified to make, and are quick to jump on a
|bandwagon (for example the Audi "unintended acceleration" stuff).

H'm I had hoped that they were more responsible than that.
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:17:00 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <3783@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.135935.26031@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Is the constitution part of the "government" (US meaning)?  I don't
>think so.  It's a pact between the people and the state limiting
>the power of the state.  Right; a jury (normally) only decides the facts
>of the case w.r.t. the requirements of the law not the justness of the law.

Actually, it is.  It is the very *foundation* of "government", the
document that establishes it.

>But:
>	- the jury *can* nullify if they choose to.
>	- the jury isn't part of the state - while they in part act
>	  under the authority of the state, they're selected jointly
>	  by the defendant and the state.
>	- The justness of the law itself, or any detailed requirements
>	  for a conviction are subject to the constitution, as
>	  well as the penalties of the law.

Unfortunately juries are generally instructed that they must make their
judgements based upon the law as written, regardless of whether or not
they think that it is a good law.  The possibility of finding that the
LAW is wrong, and should perhaps be overturned, is frequently never
mentioned.  The instruction to the jurors is given to them by "the
state".  And "the state" doesn't really want them to know the full
set of options open to them (in most cases).  He who controls the
flow of information controls the situation.


		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@uLogic.COM

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Extensive studies have shown that 93% of all statistics are meaningless.
From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Mutlu violating Usenet RFC
Date: 10 Sep 1992 07:28:02 GMT
Organization: Dis-
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: missing the point`

John Stanley makes two rebuttals noted below; one to several points I make
explaining Usenet history/tradition that I try and explain WHY the RFC
is and should be the way it is, and one claiming that the name is not
basically invalid.  The first is irrelevant (you can argue why until
the cows come home (Grand Olde Usenet Tradition to do so, no less),
but that's what the RFC says).  The second is wrong 8-)

In article <BuCD3r.KIJ@news.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
>In article <18m78pINN6nm@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:
>>intentionally false email addresses were used.  Instances
>>of intentionally false email addresses generally are referred
>>to as "forgeries" and are bad 
>An opinion. Not universal in scope.
>>for two reasons; one, the responsible person is unknown,
>So? An opinion can be valid even when you don't know who holds it. 
>Opinions are BEST judged without regard to the author.
>> and two, there is no way
>>for feedback (replies) to be sent to the sender.
>Feedback can be sent in the same manner that I am sending you feedback.
>Reason two is specious.

	These statements were intended to explain "why" the RFC is
and should be the way it is.  Rebutting them does not change the RFC.

>>which no name server or the Network Information Center will identify
>>as being real. 
>
>Neither name service nor NIC has anything to do with UUCP sites. If
>you demand that either or both must know UUCP addresses, then you shut
>off all UUCP sites (that don't happen to have an Internet address
>to go with them).

This is simply untrue, John.  Every site, Internet or Usenet that is connected
to our greater email net has to have a valid domain name registered
with the Network Information Center.  In some cases these are pretty
wide domains (fidonet, for instance) but they have to be registered
and have at least one nameserver for the address (i.e. an internet
nameserver machine who knows where the domain's gateway is if it's
a UUCP site).  Any site which isn't registered isn't on the net, by
definition.  If you don't believe me, ask the NIC or UUNET.

   -george william herbert
   gwh@soda.berkeley.edu  gwh@lurnix.com 
++ copyright 1992 george william herbert. All rights reserved.  Permission   ++
++ granted for Usenet transmission/use and followup/reply articles/mail use  ++

Newsgroups: news.admin
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Valid newsgroups
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:15:42 GMT

Is this the groups that periodically posts a list of valid newsgroups?
I want to clean up all the garbage.garbage.garbage groups in my active
file. 
--
Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager            peter.steele@acadiau.ca 
Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: zeno@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sean T. Lamont)
Subject: Looking for a secondary server
Organization: Abstract Software
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:23:56 GMT

Hi.

I and a couple of other people would like to have their UUCP domains
registered.
I have the MX forwarder and the primary server set up, but in order to 
complete the domain registration form, I must have a secondary server.

If there is anyone out there who would be willing to set up a couple
hosts on their machines, please drop me a line.

Thanks.


-- 
Sean T. Lamont, Abstract Software        |   "Don't oppress me, It's
zeno@u.washington.edu                    |    'computer of color!' "
Next Mail............................... |  yang.cpac.washington.edu!zebu!zeno 
----------------"My employers opinions are my own, not yours."-----------------
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf))
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Is somone cancelling articles again?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 17:30:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Hrm.. this is the second day in a row where I'll check news, and for
some (actually, quite a few) groups, rn will say something like 
"37 new articles", and then only list 7.  It says its "skipping over
unavailable articles".  This has only recently started happening, but
I remember the last time this happened was when the autocanceller was
cancelling every article cross-posted to alt.cascade.  Anyone else
noticing this?  Or is it just my rn program that's acting weird?

	Brian

Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal.computing