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From: oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Weight problem
Keywords: weight, over weight, fat
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:40:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <tabn9x#.kilroy@netcom.com> kilroy@netcom.com (Jeffrey S. Shulman) writes:
>      Fizzie is fast gaining the status of FAT PIG. I have to do something 
>about his weight fairly soon - it cannot wait much longer. I have read 
>several books about cats, and addresses this problem of diets and multiple 
>cats.
>
>      I really need help - BAD. What insights, tales, anecdotes do you have?

Last year at Thanksgiving, we had 2 slim trim kitties ( Q and Strange ) and 
a calico bowling ball.  We had tried several methods of getting Bandit ( the
bowling ball's name ) to reduce : 
1 : no more free feeding : the food went down once a day for 30 minutes and
    that was it.  Bandit started to slim, but so did the Q ( an elderly and
    crochety Siamese who didn't need to lose anything. )  Nuf said : I'd
    rather have a fat Bandit than see the Q lose anymore.
2 : I started putting their food on top of the washer, reasoning that 
    Bandit would be unable to make the jump and would thus be limited
    in eating to the times when we'd lift her up there to eat.  No 
    problem, she demonstrated that when it came to food she could 
    jump just fine.  The washer suffered a bit, because she couldn't 
    always do it in a single jump.
3 : I built a food box with sliding panels, the panel's opening such that
    in theory Q and Strange could fit through and Bandit couldn't.  Bandit
    could get through a narrower gap than Q ( but then the Q doesn't really
    care about food, and oh, my, Bandit does. ) 
4 : We got a puppy.  He loved to chase the cats, especially Bandit.
    Bandit was not a happy camper.  She let us know by switching from the
    litterbox to the bathmat ( she went to the vet, who pronounced her 
    healthy.  And fat. )  However, as time went by, she lost weight, and
    is now a chubby calico that can reach the (carpeted for kitty comfort)
    top of the bookshelves in a single bound.... 

Ritual disclaimer : My opinion and mine alone !  Convex, as best I can tell,
doesn't have opinions, being a corporate entity...
Carla Oexmann        {allegra, sun, harvard, uiucdcs, ctvax}!convex!oexmann
Convex Computer Corp.  3000 Waterview Parkway P.O. Box 833851 Richardson, TX
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Why Do Cats Sit on Paper?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:04:54 GMT
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company

In article <1992Sep2.011552.16719@panix.com>, kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:
>
>This has probably been addressed before, but why is it that
>cats will zero in on the teensiest piece of paper and plop themselves
>down on top of it?  Not that I'm complaining--it's just that after
>twelves years with His Royal Highness I'd like an answer, and he's
>not forthcoming...

Because you pay so much attention to it, which, according to the immutable
laws of the universe, you ought to be paying to a cat.  Their favorite
kind of paper is the kind you're reading off of at the moment, but they
rapidly figure out that any piece of paper has the potential to become
reading material, and hence desirable seating.

Cats belonging to computer users and TV watchers are attracted to,
respectively, monitors and TV screens for the same reason.  My cats have
developed an utter fascination with the mixing board in my recording
studio, which, being studded with sharp pointy knobs and sliders, is
not the sort of surface you'd normally expect to find a cat on.

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From: tastewar@athena.mit.edu (Tom Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Happy Birthday!
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:37:44 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Just wanted to proclaim a public Happy Birthday to our two cats,
Robin and Marion.  We adopted them 4 December 1991 and were told
that they were "about 3 months old."  So, while we do not have an
exact date, we are celebrating today.  Happy Birthday, Robin and
Marion!!!

I hope they read this newsgroup, but I think they hang out more
in rec.pets.humans.

Tom Stewart
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:46:44 GMT
	<HANNAH.92Aug19132640@pomponio.ai.sri.com> <4066@n7kbt.rain.com>
	<26832@life.ai.mit.edu> <1992Aug20.193958.6154@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu's message of 21 Aug 92 00:39:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.193958.6154@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

   In article <26832@life.ai.mit.edu>, marie@ai.mit.edu (Marie Lamb) writes:
   > My favorites:
   > The Handbag (sit with paws curled under body--if you put a handle on top,
   >  voila!  A very funky handbag)

   Called BunCat or CatLoaf or Meatloaf position at our house.

   Kay Klier

We've always called this the "Flatiron position"---vague resemblence
to a steam iron.

Marsha Jo Hannah
From: feldman@flash.crd.ge.com (Sandra F Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: what to do with cats while on vacation
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:02:20 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Sorry, I posted the last article before I was quite done.  The other alternative
to hiring a high school student is to try to find a young adult still living at
home and hire them to house/cat sit.  (perhaps a local college student, child of
a co-worker, maybe even a young co-worker just getting started)  I only pay
housesitters slightly more (9-10 dollars/day) because I also leave them food.
The housesitters usually enjoy the privacy, and can always go "visit" home
if they get lonely. An added bonus is that the cats get to sleep on a bed
with a nice warm person.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Playing with kitties face: was "naming behaviors"
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:17:38 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Pretend your thumb is a cat's tongue and wash the cat's face with
it. Haven't met a moggie who could resist this.

When that gets tiresome, suddenly go into the FACE HUGGER! Yahhhh!
'Nuff said.
From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Playing with kitties face: was "naming behaviors"
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:38:17 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: news@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1343@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
> 
>         He he.  I just read about "carpet duck".  Excellent!
> 
>         OK, have any of you out of there played with your kitty's
>         face?
> 
>         We take the face in our hands, and then push the ears
>         flat against the head: kind of striaght down.  This is
>         "Yoda"
> 
>         Then, you take the ears and pinch them (gently, of course,
>         really just pushing) UP and TOGETHER.  This is "Bunny face"
> 
>         And, then we have the "Rat": take face in hands and pull
>         all of the skin and ears back.  U-ugly!
> 
>         "Lion" is the opposite.  Pull skin and ears forward to bunch
>         up around chin!
> 
>         Sounds cruel, but we're really being very gentle and the
>         cats think we've just forgotten how to pet them right!
>         We laugh and laugh...my husband couldn't believe it when
>         I first showed him all of the animals (and Yoda, of course)
>         inside our kittens!)
> 
>         Elizabeth
We used to play with my cat's ears--pushing them into horizontal position
was "airplane ears", fully folded down was "lamb ears".  Be careful how
much you laugh at your kitties--ours became insulted, and won't let us
play with his ears anymore.  
          gb
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Problem with Feline
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:07:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19873
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  Hi all.  Some of you may recognize the name as the person who was 
thinking about getting two Siamese from the Humane Society.  Well, we
did get them both.  There seems to be a slight problem though.
The female is about 1-1/2 to 2 years old and not yet spayed (next
week though).  Anyway, she has this tendancy to sit on your lap
or next to you acting all really lovey, butting heads, etc.  However,
some times when a person is petting her she will turn around and
bite for no apparent reason.  She doesn't even give a customary
growl or flick of the tail warning.  Has anyone else experienced
this or may know what is causing it?  My wife is getting a little
tired of being bitten from petting her.  Thanks

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)     
myhre@plains             (Bitnet)      
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Bringing Kitty back home
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:06:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.165532.1395@informix.com> davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
>MICHELLE A. M. SZENA writes:
>>
>>Well, Merlin went into the hospital on Tuesday for neutering.  While he was
>>When he first came out of the box, they did the usual butt sniffing and then
>>pookie licked Merlin on the head.  She then turned around and hissed at him 
>>and took off.  Since then everytime Merlin tries to buddy up to her, Pookie 
>>will start to lick him and then immediately hiss at him.  I feel so bad for
>>Merlin who not only had to deal with surgery but now lost his best friend.
>
>Perhaps she is upset that he is no longer a REAL man ;-)

All joking aside, this has an element of truth to it!  Merlin was a male
when he went to the vet.  Males and females get along better than two
female cats (unless they are brought up together).  I have read that
male cats which have been neutered are mistaken for females by entire
males.  It may be that Pookie (the name is great, BTW, we used to have a
cat named Pookie!) thinks that Merlin is a female now, since he's lost
his male smell.  Pookie might even think that you've brought home a
different cat!


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ardie@UIUC (Richard D. McClary)
Subject: Bill signature
Organization: Department of Plant Pathology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:56:18 GMT

	A few weeks ago, I noticed someone, in their signature, had a nice 
facimile of Bill the Cat made from keyboard characters.  Would that person 
mind terribly if I copied it?  It seems a most appropriate way of ending 
much of my consulting correspondance!  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: sauer@bluemoon.rn.com (John Tipshus)
Subject: Re: Driving x-country w/ Cat.  Suggestions
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:58:05 EDT

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> robandtp@prsun.Cyanamid.COM (Paul Robandt) writes:
> > The product is made by Ace and is named Promazine, I think.  I have given
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Uh, no.  One of the common kitty-tranks is acepromazine, chemically
> very akin to the human tranquilizer chlorpromazine.  Common trade names
> are Atravet, Plegicil, Notensil and Soprontin.
> 
> > it to several of my fur persons, and it seemed to make them drugged and
> > upset, instead of just upset.  I would consider using it only for real
> > basket (or carrier) cases.  
> 
>   Cats do react differently to ace.  Most cats *are* tranquilized by
> it, a few become hyper.  (Happens to some humans on some tranquilizers, 
> too).  I figure it's a good idea to try one a couple of days before the
> cat *really* needs it, to see what the reaction is.  

I believe Nemesis is hyperkinetic, so tranquilizers are out of the 
question.  Thanks for all of the suggestions though!  I think she and I 
will make it okay!

     John

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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Bringing Kitty back home
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:50:39 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA) writes:
> > Has anyone else had an experience like this?  Do we have to go through the
> > getting aquainted stages again?  or does Pookie taste something on him that
> > reminds her of the vet?  I'm really confused about this.
>
> Pookie still smells like THE VET, and doesn't smell like his friend any
> more.  Sometimes totally confusing the issue by rubbing both cats down
> with catnip tea helps.  The alternative is "tincture of time" -- about
> 3-5 days.
>

didn't work for us.  marion was the most devoted mother in the entire world.
let teh kittens nurse just abotu forever, was always curled up with them,
washing them, etc.  but silver came down with FUS and had to spend three days
at the vet's, and ever since, she has wanted nothign to do with him.  we
thought once melissa was off living with my exhusband, the cat explosions woudl
be over, but no dice.  now they are marion reacting to silver, insteda of
melissa reacting to the general existence of other cats.  it really bums me
out, too, as silver became the absolute bottom cat on the pecking order and has
lost a LOT of weight, despite the fact taht we feed him seperately because he
has to eat special food.  they used to be such a happy family...  B(

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From: ltao@netcom.com (Lilly Tao)
Subject: Re: Cat Names...       
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:08:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online
Distribution: na

>> 
>> : Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to my question - what are some of
>> : your silliest pet names for your pet?  I call Sugar such things as
>> : "Muffin-pet" "Copper-nose" "White-ears" "Nuisance" "Brat-Cat" "Furball"
>> : and, embarrassingly, "Snufflenose".  This is just a random sampling -
>> : I'm wondering what silly things you all have come up with.

Oreo has been subjected to the following:

	Beastie
	Whiner (she whines (meowingly) a lot)
	and our favorite (and most embarassing):   
		Little Ruffle Butt
				(a random name ... no real reason for it)

Lilly Tao
ltao@netcom.com
From: moss@cs.umass.edu (Eliot Moss)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Why Do Cats Sit on Paper?
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:54:51 GMT
Reply-To: moss@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: kgs@panix.com's message of 2 Sep 92 01:15:52 GMT

I have thought of two reasons why cats sit on a piece of paper:

1) to get attention, because it interferes with what you're doing; and
2) because it is an excellent insulator, and hence warmer than a bare floor,
etc.

I think 2 does apply (sometimes anyway) because our cats will sit on paper
even if it's not in our way or getting attention. I also have a cat that will
always sit on my clothes, clean or dirty, but that's a different story ....
--

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: The latest addition to our household
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:33:04 GMT

judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:



  I guess that some cats are extremely allergic 
>to flea bites (anybody else have any experience with this?) 
  He's scratching some, and seems to groom alot more than
>normal.  How can we tell if that's just something that will improve as
>he heals or if he still has (shudder) more fleas?  I don't see the signs
>described in the FAQ but he _is_ still scratching.

My cat, Sophie, is terribly allergic to "flea dirt".  After I moved
to relatively flea-free Edmonton, from flea-ridden Toronto, she still
acted like she had fleas all the time.

A friend recommended his vet as a specialist in skin problems -- and when
I took her there, he gave her a long-lasting cortisone shot.  She was
a bit "woozy" for a couple of days, but after that was fine, and has
never needed to go back.  I think the shot would be given every few
months or so if she continued to have the problem.

She also seems to have very dry skin, which doesn't help either.

Good luck with your new furball!

Anne
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:56:30 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <H.mbD4zvhyDPU@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) writes:

>anyone have a name for the way a timid or scared cat will slink around with
>the belly less than an inch from the floor?  we call it "needing new shocks".

Slithing...it always makes me think of mimsy borogroves and alla that...

--Cindy

--
   Cindy Tittle Moore & Noisy Underfoot (bird watcher extraordinaire)

I post the rec.pets.cats FAQ (in two parts) every 25 days.  To get the FAQ:
ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu and look under /pub/usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/*
(part1, part2), or send email to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part1
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in the body (leave subject line empty).  Send contributions and comments
to me; send questions not covered in the FAQ to the newsgroup.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: FAQ, meaning of
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:05:24 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <2963.419.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> bob.hines%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Bob Hines) writes:
>From: bob.hines%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Bob Hines)
>Subject: FAQ, meaning of
>Date: 26 Aug 92 12:51:00 GMT

>I see FAQ in many messages. What does FAQ mean?

>Thanks, Bob

Frequently Asked Questions, of which yours is one :-)
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From: gt1167b@prism.gatech.EDU (Christie Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Terrified of Ceiling Fan!
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:42:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug23.132222.14032@NeoSoft.com> jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) writes:
>In article <66586@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt1167b@prism.gatech.EDU (Christie Shackelford) writes:
>  
>> I had a kitten last winter that my SO liked to play with (read "terrorize").
>
>So did you get rid of the SO?
>
>-- 
>Jaclyn Brandt
>jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
>--

No.  He's the "manly-man" type who says he doesn't like cats, wants a dog,
but plays with my cats more than I do.  In fact, I don't let my new kitten
sleep with me yet (due to her energy level), but when he's here, he -begs-
me to let her sleep with us.  As with most of our "joint" ventures, I get
stuck with all the work:  when she wakes up at 3 am attacking us and her
sister Fermi, I'm the one who has to get up and put her back on the porch.

He also felt very bad when my last kitten, Dylan, ran away.  He asked about 
him all the time.  I never found him,though.

He sure does like Dixie, but will probably never come out and say it.

-- 
Christie Shackelford
gt1167b@prism.gatech.edu
Meow!
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From: ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: Tail stood up straight, what's up??
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
	<1992Aug25.201036.18377@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.201036.18377@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker) writes:

   Spirit tends to do this everytime I talk to her or walk by her when she
   is standing.  Does this mean that this troublesome :) bundle of calico
   is defering to me as her parent?  And what does it say if she has her
   tail straight up but attacks my passing ankles....is this the 
   "terrible twos" ?????  Better yet when her tail is straight up an
   she scratchs at the persian rug, I believe it is "Mommy look at what
   I can do!"

A few years ago somebody told me (or maybe I saw it on PBS), that a straight
up tail is a friendly greeting (although this doesn't merge with your
ankle attack situation very well). Ever since I heard that I've paid
attention to cat's tails and generally agree that it is a friendly
greeting, happy alert cat, I want to play, sort of signal.
 
So far 100% of test samples of cat trotting toward me with tail up has
meant friendly greeting.


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From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: How about kitty noises?
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:41:33 GMT

bonni@snoid.cray.com (Bonni Ensminger) writes:
: 
: My cat also makes a noise I don't think I can describe very well.  It's the
: 'aren't I so cute you want to give me anything I want' noise.  It's kind of
: a meow and a purr mixed together, similar to a pigeon cooing.

My sister calls this the "purrmeow."


Kathy
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