Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:41:35
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:28:51 GMTLines: 66

In article <1992Sep13.142851.18728@cube.handheld.com>
	jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.063604.757@liveware.com> modman@liveware.com writes:
>> I agree that Glenn and RBS should post things that are commercial in nature
>> to CSNAnnounce.  RightBrain has had a history of posting directly
>> to other groups, where CSNAnnounce should/would/could do the
>> trick.  This is one of the reason he and RB have a history that
>> tastes bad in the mouths of some...
>
>As long as (and for whatever good reasons) there is the historic
>long and even recent moderate delays getting things through csna,
>it is of little use for timely announcements, and so I do not fault
>anyone for going around the system to get timely information
>(commercial or otherwise) out.  cnsa, as it currently operates, is
>more suited to the FAQ list, and user group schedules, rather than
>important announcements.

What's the problem?  Do you think that csn.announce should have
some sort of guaranteed response time?  Har har har, ho ho ho, hee
hee hee!

I suggest that the people (and there are apparently a lot of them) who
are currently uptight about the huge, giant, tremendous, gigantic lag
time on csn.announce look around at what their alternatives are.
csn.announce is _free_.  It is managed by a volunteer.  I've not seen
anything where the person/vendor posted to the other groups and beat
Todd by more than about a week.

Try posting information in NeXTWorld.  That's only a four month
wait.  The speediest magazines sometimes get what appears to be
around two months in their news areas, but alot of that is pre-release
info.  You can't call up the Wall Street Journal and put an ad in
tomorrow's issue, no matter _how_ much you pay, why should you
expect the same of a more or less free network?

Besides, I have yet to see _any_ information on csn.announce, or,
indeed, anywhere in these newsgroups, that would make any real
difference if it was a week late.  _You_ (generic reader-you) might
think it's important, but taken in an absolute sense, it's probably
not.  Keep that in mind when you elect to circumvent the csn.*
charters.  Also, before assuming that your post was ignored - try
making sure it even got there, first.  Todd can't do much about it if
your news or mail software is broken.  Also, remember that when you
post to a newsgroup, that post is entered directly into your feed - it
appears to get there quickly because it's already there.  When you
send to Todd, the post first has to battle its way upstream to
somewhere like UUNET, and then back out to Todd.  Then it's posted,
and it does the battle in reverse - this time with the disadvantage
that news is generally prioritized just after Idle time so far as
getting CPU time and connection time.  So it's going to take a couple
days (just remember that your illegit post will also take a couple
days to get to most places, so you really don't gain much).

[BTW, I've always had _awesome_ turnaround on my posts to csn.announce.
They hit Todd and come back to me via csna in a couple days.  I
can't say for certain, but perhaps it's because I cultivate a
relationship with Todd, periodically sending him email and just
talking, rather than bitching at him.  Or, perhaps it's because
_I_ spend the time policing my posts so that Todd doesn't have to ...
BTW2:  This novel technique also seems to work on the archive sites ...]

Later,
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