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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW TV Taping: Scott Steiner TV Champ
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>>  I don't know if Rick & Scott Nortn were officially defending the titles
>>>  or if the titles were held up with the winner of this match getting
>>>  them.
>>> 
>>    The Steiners *did* lose the titles to the thirty day rule, in a roundabout
>>sort of way.  When Scott got injured, they were unable to defend in the 30 
>>days, so IWGP declared the titles vacant.  In that way, the North American
>>explanation was correct.  But then, in a move that would have made Stanley
>>Blackburn blush, IWGP declared for no good reason that Hiro Hase and Keiji Muto
>>would wrestle Rick Steiner and a partner of his choice for the vacant titles.
>>Rick, of course, chose Scott Norton.  Hase/Muto won the match and the titles.
>>
> 
>This sounds like the Apter explanation...
> 
>Dominic Macika


  OK Dominic.  You got me there.  I didn't realize until I just read the post
back now that it sounded like Joe Mark.  I was just answering Herb's query by
saying that they *did* use the thirty day rule as the explanation for the titles
being taken from the Steiners.  Of course, the actual explanation was that 
Scott was injured with a torn muscle.  My comment about Blackburn was just to
point out that the decision to get Hase and Muto into the situation made no
sense, from an angle point of view.  Obviously, this was an emergency
situation, and thus Hase/Muto were booked to become champions.    
   Gotta be more careful about these things.  Next thing you know I'll be
starting a "wrestling is a sham" thread :) :).

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Hogan's imminent return?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:32:27 GMT


I saw All-American Wrestling (I think that's the name of it, it's one
of the WWF syndies) this morning.  The opening credits have so many
clips of Hogan that I will be extremely surprised if he doesn't
return to the WWF soon.  Have the speculations posted to this group
about his appearing at Survivor Series been confirmed yet?  I hope
he doesn't get the title back if/when he returns.  It seems point-
less for it to be held by someone who appears so seldom on the
weekly shows.

Tom
From: jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: NEW WWF WORLD CHAMPION
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.1992Oct13.200226.3865
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1992Oct13.161029.1779@orbital.demon.co.uk> bobh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Bob Hutton) writes:
>Hopefully this will get out sufficiently quickly to stop me from looking
>silly. Further to my post concerning The L.A. Times report that Bret
>Hart had taken the World strap at last Saturday's L.A. House show, this
>has been confirmed, unless I'm being wound up something rotten.

I wouldn't doubt it being true.  Giving Flair a short title reign is something
McMahon would do if Flair was just a carry over champion (pray it is so :->).
But why Bret Hart, a man who lost the IC strap over a month ago?

>
>Apparently Hellwig has been getting a bit demanding so they've decided
>against an immediate title run for him.

Will he be just beating Flair for fun now :-).

>The title will apparently go,
>Hart, a heel (unknown), Backlund, setting up Backlund .v. Hogan for The
>WrestleMania 9 Main Event.
>
>Hope this gets out quickly and is correct.

It shocked the hell out of me.  But I'll believe it when I believe it (tm).




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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF: Are We Stupid?
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:10:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunews.mjenkins.719284235
Organization: Carleton University

In <Bw8Irn.HGI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:

>Actually, he was just "The Undertaker" at SS, his alleged "debut."  In
>matches shown later, but actually taped earlier, he was "Cain" (Kane?)
>for a while.

No, actually, I think it was the reverse. At Survivor Series, he
walked out and the graphic was "Kane the Undertaker." On the syndies
the week after SS, Vince referred to him just as Kane. But within a
month or two, he was just "The Undertaker"

>As for the Bezerker, they actually acknowledged his name change when it
>happened, at least in their magazine.

And they did on TV too, saying that the Berzerkers were a tribe of
Vikings. Uh-huh.

Michael
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Need Clash of the Champions information
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:42:17 EDT

In article <16879A213.OP2@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
 
>I'd like to see a list of all the Clashes with some of the matches that
>were held on each Clash listed on the net.   Can anyone help me with
>this?
 
I can easily compile such a list -- it's mostly done already.  What
would you like to see included?  I thought to list the date, name of
the card, and the main event, but I'm open to suggestions.
 
And now is as good a time as any to mention that I'm looking for copies
of Clashes 2, 3, and 4 for my own collection.  If you have copies to
trade, send me email.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: tonyb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Anthony G Barilla)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: 1st post to rspw
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:33:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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hello to all you netters, I've been a lurker way to long.  I just learned how
to post, either myself or my friend Pat both promise to keep you guys up to
date with the wrestling that occurs here in central Kansas.  What we have both	experienced is that when we attend WCW matches, they generally run only 2 hrs	which includes an intermission....usually about 9 to 10 matches while the WWF
shows run in the area of 3 hrs.  I attended a WCW tv taping in Topeka and that
lasted 4 hrs, but the non tv taping are incredibly short in time, other people
experienced this?  One last point Eric Watts wrestled here, Manhattan KS, 
on August 30 or so about, just how many debuts is he going to have?
well thats it for now will be back later
                             tony barilla
                              kansas state university

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: It gets worse
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:55:00 GMT


Keep
In article <Andy.00vp@birdland.UUCP> Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) writes:
>Just when I thought the GWF was in bad shape, now things have gotten worse.
>What the hell kind of angle is this with Tatum/Victory and a failed pizza
>parlor? And a bungee match? Gaawwwddd...
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Yeah it may be a stupid angle but accourding to the Observer, it is not a 
complete work. They did in fact have a Pizza parlor together.
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From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Champs of Asia & Mexico as of 10/1
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:50:48 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

In <Bw6EG5.J9y@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:

>>     CWA(Austria) Intercontinental
>>       Heavyweight : Tatsumi Fujinami
>When did this happen?  Has Fujinami held the Catch title for a long time,
>or did he win it recently?  In fact, I thought I read recently that some
>guy named Rambo (from France, not the guy in Portland) was Catch champion...
>details?  OBTW: I always thought the Frog one should be "Rambeaux" so we
>can tell the diff...     ;-o   ;-@   ;-()   ;-|
>Is Fujinami gonna have to do a job for big fat ol' Otto Wanz eventually (just 
>like Inoki, this guy won't go totally away, either...)?

This title is not the 'CWA World Super Heavyweight Title' that has been there
for long time.  This one was created last year, and Vader beat Fujinmai to be
the first champ but vacated since he started working for WCW.  Fujinami won the
title,I believe in this spring, beating Bob Orton Jr..  BTW, Wanz is retired 
and Rambo is the top of the promotion now.

>>       Tag Team        : Gregory Veritchev & Tarzan Goto
>Kind of a clash of styles, eh?  At least if Goto is still acts the wacky
>heel.  I've only seen Veritchev once, and he seems so serious...

Well, I guess real Russians(in case some people reading this believe that all
of the "Russian" wrestlers in the US are really from Russia) are having a hard
time to do the "showman style."

>> Korea
>>     NWA Oriental
>>       Heavyweight : Lee (I don't know his first name)
>Is it Tiger Chung Lee?  That's the name the guy I'm thinking of used in
>the WWhiFf when he was over here, but he used a different name <blah-blah>
>Lee in New Japan last year, right?

Tiger Chung Lee's real name is Masanori Toguchi and is a Japanese. This is a
different guy and much smaller than Duk Kim. Toguchi/Duk started using the
Korean gimmick because his wrestling teacher was Kintaro Oki/Il Kim,the only
famous wrestler from Korea who had held NWA Int'l title and old WWA World 
title.

>Thanks for the info...

You're welcome...

==============================================================================

Hisaharu Tanabe
University of North Texas
Denton, Texas

Internet   : htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (English)
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From: nolan@locus.com (Earl "Base Hit" Nolan)
Subject: WCW Saturday Night
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:36:43 GMT

My VCR kicked off during the Dustin/Armstrong vs. Steve Austing/Brian Pillman
bout at the moment the Barry Windham made his entrance.  Would some kind soul
please e-mail me what happened from that point on?

Thanks
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: LEGION OF DOOM
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:50:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Tom Johnston writes:
>
> My memory is failing me.  What exactly did Penthouse say about Hawk having
> a drug problem?  Steroids or recreational substances?


Reprinted without permission (oops, a lawsuit coming)

[Regarding the WWF drug-policy]

"The results - clean and dirty - are sent directly to McMahon and he
maintains their confidentiality in a locked desk drawer.  A suspension is
handed out every so often, with Hawk, of the Legion Of Doom, and Warlord
being the most recent caualties."

That's it...nothing else.


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From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Intercontinental Champion
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:49:15 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

While trying to fall asleep last night I started thinking about the WWF
intercontinental title. As I understand it the IC strap can only change
hands when it is defended on the North American continent, as opposed
to anywhere in the world which is covered by the world title. Now here's
my question - Doesn't this clause render the IC title change at Summer
Slam 92 null and void since it occured in Europe?!? I know that
Vince thinks he can fool everyone but that's not my concern really, 
just whether my interpretation of the IC title is correct.
 
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From: gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker)
Subject: Bad Angles for "Singing Cowboy"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:01:44 GMT

Sorry about that last attempt.....just re-learned how to do this

You think the angle is bad now, just think of what COULD happen
if it doesnt become popular enough.

1. Form a team of Cassidy and Tatanka, thereby creating a "Lone Ranger-
Tonto" angle. I personally would love to see Chavis say "How" and 
"Keemo-sabe". It would be a stereotype and a politically correct thing at 
the same time. Vince loves PC (the first native american stuff, the
weak Saba Simba attempt for African culture)

2. Bring in Steve Armstrong as the "Moondance Kid". Okay, so its an
obvious attempt at parody, but then again, the Whiff is a blatant parody
of wrestling 8-). Maybe the ending will be the same with them disappearing
 forever.

3. Have Smothers turn heel, and become a "descendant of Custard"
while Chavis becomes a "descendant of Sittin Bull" (have to be PC).
Chavis will be jumped by Black Bart and Wild Bill Irwin. Making the save
will be The Youngblood brothers (Renegade Warriors...whatever they are
called in GWF...Brave Chicken and Buffalo Shit)

Hey someone said that Smothers was weariong his Young Pistols stuff....
does he have a Confederate flag. We could always bring back "The Rebel"
Dick Slater....although I like his push in WCW, I hope he gets to join
the Atlas/Barbarian/Cactus Jack/Roberts group. They'd be great...not
like the Horsemen...but still great.





Jeff Hawkins....hoping Pat Patterson gets his dream of meeting the Village
People.....hey I thought Chavis and Smothers looked familiar...no wonder
they are there..........
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: How to make the WWF better (10 ways if possible)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:21:09 GMT

In article <7030@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello) writes:
> In article <2OCT199213503494@cats.ucis.vill.edu> 126580828@cats.ucis.vill.edu (!GENTILE, JOSEPH) writes:
> >one more... a light heavyweight division. (This could help win over Liger.
> >Imagine Liger v. Owen Hart!)
> >
>   Why would you have to imagine Liger v. Owen Hart?  It's happened many
>   times when Owen wrestled for New Japan. 

  Actually, Gary Will, the Fluffster and I got together last night for
  a video marathon and saw an Owen Hart vs. Jushin Riger match from
  some time in 1990.  It wasn't very good at all considering what we
  expected.  I had the same experience with an Owen Hart vs. Keiji Muto 
  match, which again you'd think would be great.  

  Them's the breaks, I guess.  On the other hand, there's still an awesome
  Owen Hart vs. Pegasus Kid match that we didn't get to last night and
  I'm still in awe from the Owen Hart vs. Shiro Koshinaka match I watched
  on an old tape a while ago (Owen lost the IWGP Jr. Title since he was
  going to be the Blue Blazer in the WWF).  

  I think Owen's still in my good books.  ;-)

                                                                Herb...
From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF: Are We Stupid?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:01:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <btribble.1wbc@terapin.com> btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.153926.19371@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) writes:
>>Boy does Vince think that we are stupid. Bringing back Smash as Repo Man was 
>>o.k. because Repo Man has short hair has a mask etc - so you could fail to 
>>recognize him. Bringing back Crush as Crush and expecting people not to 
>>remember 2 years back is a little less plausiable. But now he all of a sudden 
>>has a thick Hawaian accent. Where did that come from? He didn't have it last 
>>month. Then we get the Comet Kid who becomes Max - same costume same gimick 
>>different names and we are supposed to think that he is someone different.

>What about AKEEM after changing from One Man Gang... that was weird... What was
>the use of that switch anyway, other than some weird angle?

Here...look very closely:  One Man Gang.  Akeem (TM).  Got it? ;-)

Seriously, as others have pointed out in the past, Vince's name-changing
frenzy seems to have started when he decided that if HE invented the
name, he could trademark it and not let it leave the WWF.  By giving
everyone in the WWF a wild costume and a bizarre name, if they become
a big star and then decide to leave, they can take very little of their
character with them and might not be recognized by the average mark.

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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What happened to WWF?
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:23:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
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In a previous article, awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh) says:

>The past week has seen some completely unpredictable turns of events.
>I'm trying to figure out McMoney's motives for it, but I can't get it.
>
>2) Disasters drop the belts. Tag situation is getting REALLY desperate.
>With the exit of the disasters, that leaves Money Inc, The Beverly
>Sisters, High Energy, and this new team, the headhunters. Oh, and the
>Nasty Boys. That's 4 to 1, heels against faces.  Not pretty odds.

Actually, since the Nasty Boys are supposed to be turning at some point,
it actually makes sense to have Money Inc. with the titles for the feud.
Also, maybe this was one of the things that Vince agreed to in order to
keep Ted in the fold...

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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: Spin the wheel, swallow an eel
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:13:40 GMT

In article <22967@galaxy.ucr.edu> kzim@watserv.ucr.edu (Christopher Robin Zimmerman) writes:
#
#With "Spinners Choice" being mentioned what seems like every five minutes,  
#I got to thinking late last night about Jake's best choice.  At 2 AM it hit  
#me.  Jake should choose a match not even on the wheel:
#
#Handicap match:  Sting v. Jake Roberts *with Sid Vicious*

Which brings up a question I've been kicking around for the past
few days:

	What other gimmick matches are there that ARE NOT
	on the wheel?

Off the top of my head, I can think of a handicap match, a scaffold
match, a falls count anywhere match, and an elimination tag match.

What other types of gimmick matches are there?

-- 
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                             This is called inbreeding, from which 
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Subject: Re:Eric Watts (Was WCW Power Hour & World Wide)
From: <WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 08:11:11 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <Bvx8MJ.ECA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe
Fipp) says:
>
>  Showed clip of the Watts kid wrestling.  Also showed some of his football
>clips.  He pinned a guy after picking him up in a fireman's carry and
>dumping him down (a pretty lame finisher IMHO).
 
       Actually, if you watched closely on the stuff on Watts, it's the
same clip shown from different angles. He's throwing a TD pass against
Ohio State. If that clip they showed of him wrestling is the best he
can do, he makes Dustin (who I don't think is as bad as most on this
newsgroup do) look like Jushin Liger! Talk about nepotism, wow!
 
Bill Lack
>
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Subject: Mean Gene in Fargo, ND on 10/7/92
From: <LANDERSO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 00:34:43 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Greetings to my fellow r.s.p-w'ers.  Long time no post, eh?!?!  Well, I have
been reading the net, almost daily, and keeping up on things.  Lack of
motivation and time constraints have prevented me from posting....'til today.

On tonight's local evening news, a press conference was held to announce the
inagural events for the Fargodome which will be opening in December.  Mean Gene
Okerlund was in attendance, announcing that the first event will be held on
December 3rd.  You guessed it... a WWF card.

The soundbite which they broacasted of Gene had him saying (paraphrasing):
"The WWF is pleased to announce that it will hold the first event ever in the
Fargodome, with such stars as former WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan."

The card will be on December 3, 1992.  If this wasn't just a ploy to sell
tickets (which I wouldn't put past Vince), I'd wager that Hogan will make his
return at the Survivor Series, and my guess would be making the save during the
Ric Flair/Razor "Studd/Di Salvo/Ramon" vs. Ultimate Maniacs match.
Anyone else agree???
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From: jnash@alfred.carleton.ca (John Nash)
Subject: [WCW] Spinner's Choice match
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:50:35 GMT

So.... if it ends up as "Spinner's Choice"... what about the prediction
that it's a "Leave Town" match with the loser (Sting??) leaving wrestling
(to perhaps (ack!) join the Whiff)?

J.
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: A Title Change in CANADA???
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:00:30 GMT

I've been watching the WWF here in Canada (though mostly from Montreal)
for the better part of 5 years. And I was almost willing to go watch an
event when it came to the Forum. This was until someone told me that
Canadian matches were never "officially" recorded becuase of a smaller
audience than the states. He said this is why titles never changed here.

Until now, I believe that that has been true. Can anyone tell me of
another time/place where a title changed here in the north. Excluding the
Wrestlmania at the Sky Dome of course. That was PAY PER VIEW and could
attract the U.S. audience!

Alan Bick

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