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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:37:16 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another bodily injury and plans for Thai food
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Has anybody been keeping an orderly file of the abh-in-england collection?
Obviously it has to go in ftp space.  I'll save this one right now as
abh.in.cambridge (but not yet in the ftp collection since I can't get
there until Ra returns -- or Isis actually), but I don't have the total
collection saved neatly.  I can put it together later if the archives
survive the interruption or if usenet comes in ok, but it might be safer
(and it would definitely be easier) if somebody has the collection already
started.
  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:49:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Nancy Harwood <harwood@tenet.edu>
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Nancy's Geography Question
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"Which is the only one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World still
standing?"

Well, Tushar will never believe it, but I'm not old enough to have *lived*
in the Ancient World...I know the Colossus of Rhodes is gone, and the
Hanging Gardens of Babylon...anyway, I'm going to say the Great Pyramid of
Egypt.  If I'm right, which I don't think I am, I guess I'll take
Sports/Leisure.
ndh
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Baseball
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  Brad suggests:

 >"Why am I trying to engage this turkey in an epic duel?  Here's a
 >fat pitch.  See what you can do with it."

  What's a "fat" pitch? As described in the passage, he seems to be
talking about an easy pitch. So why should self-respect require that
he sometimes throw an easy pitch? It's not as though he were saying
"hit me with your best shot", since there isn't anything for the
pitcher to do, surely, after the batter has hit the ball? Also, in the
context of the book, he is in fact giving the bad guy an opportunity
to swing at him.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:40:00 EST
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Subject: Trivial Pursuit: My 1st turn pending?
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I see from Carolyn's list that my first turn at WORDS-L TP is pending.  ME
ME ME!  I WANT MY TURN NEXT! (ok, my burst of kindergarten energy is over. I
just e-mailed Carolyn with my choice of topics, so I await further
information.)

--Anjani Chandra
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:22:56 EST
From:         Elaine M Brennan <ELAINE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Cronings: (was: News from a newly non-computer...)
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>Posted on 4 Jan 1993 at 08:22:07 by Natalie Maynor
>
>
>Yes.  Or might she be interested in a dual croning?  The obvious time would
>be midnight March 19.  That's the half-way point between March 16 and 23.
>How many WORDS-Lers will come to Mississippi for a big croning event in
>March?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

me, me ... (especially since I missed the Christmas party ... !
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:31:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Giffaws
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UPDATE:
.
So the apocalypso works with a different name, but the steph-gt
won't go, instead gives a message about a local file name access
error.
.
I am *impressed*, *moved*, I say, as I view this image of <gt>
standing on steph's head.  A religious experience.
--ggs
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (74
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Re: Dr. Kevorkian:
  The medical board in Michigan revoked his license to practice medicine
because he violated the new Michigan law making assisted suicide illegal.
He said that he's coming to Ohio because he wants to see if the Ohio
legislature is "as stupid as the Michigan legislature."  The Ohio
legislature, from the governor on down, is trying to see if they can
stop him from setting up shop here.  The Summit County prosecutor said
that if Kevorkian counsels suicide here, he's going to try to stop him.
  It's a pretty mess.

Evelyn
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From:         Graham Toal
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Subject:      Re: guff
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Carolyn, 'up the duff' == up the plum duff == in the pudding club.

(plum duff is a heavy pudding like Christmas Pud)

G
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:46:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: second call for words-l cookbook
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> What's worse is having a mailbox full of words-l postings only to find
> they're all Trivial Fucking Pursuit.  Geez, this is starting to piss me off.
>
> G

This person is definitely *no* *fun*, and mad because they won't let
him play.
--ggs
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:02:36 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Wifty Explanation
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Here's the answer of why my e-friend wanted to know about 'wifty' --
forwarded with his permission:

> From: jodonnel@sas.upenn.edu (James J. O'Donnell)
> Subject: wifty
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 10:05:51 EST
>
> Well, I use it all the time and have been getting people balking lately.
> I take it to mean something like `light, airy, insubstantial, all hat and
> now cowboys, not to be taken seriously, flighty, etc.' and find it very
> useful, but am perplexed when others blank.  Slightly disappointed to see
> that it is *not* unprecedented, since I would love to take credit for a
> good new word, but it does seem to have at least a little resonance in the
> world.
>
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:22:01 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: News from a newly non-computer-illiterate
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> March 23.  Will you help with her ritual if I can talk her into one?

Yes.  Or might she be interested in a dual croning?  The obvious time would
be midnight March 19.  That's the half-way point between March 16 and 23.
How many WORDS-Lers will come to Mississippi for a big croning event in
March?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:16:57 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Three-key Sequence Nonsense
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> I was thinking later about the fact that I've never been intimate with an
> IBM (actual brand) keyboard.
> Never mind, your moment will come...

Why?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:36:23 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question About Online Resources
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> i'm also surprised its noncirculating....it is now what i'd consider
> a reference book....i mean its useful for ref, obviously, but it is not
> the kind of book that should be locked in the reference room....

Not only is it non-circulating, it's almost non-findable.  It wasn't in
the reference section.  The first librarian (or perhaps student worker)
who tried to help me find it gave up, but then another one said, "It stays
on the desk."  I asked which desk it stayed on and discovered that it stays
on a desk in a little office with somebody's seemingly personal possessions.
In other words, I think our library bought it for the use of the employees
and just pretended it was available to others.  They did let me look at it,
but then it went back to the personal desk where it lives.

I was favorably impressed with the looks of it, btw.  I plan to buy one.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:41:48 +0000
From:         Anne 'Bandwidth Pig' Harwell <abh@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      uh-huh
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Tate Gallery. GT remains behind to do <taxes>. I stay 4 hours. Can't
believe these Brits own all these really important works.

Bought tix to stage adaptation of Misery starring Sharon Gless. She was
good, but i liked her hair better in Cagney and Lacey.

Haven't yet figured out currency. I hand the clerk a gob of bills and coins
and ask if that is enough. Almost got ripped off by scurrilous pizza boy
last night as a result.

Snot has turned black. Thank you, Steph.

-abh
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>>
>>        Philly/Pittsburgh -- hey, they're in the same state so they *must* be
>>        close together...spoken like a true Row Dielander.
>>
>Yeah, right...just like people who hear I'm from Houston think I must have
>met their cousin from Dallas or El Paso.
>ndh

Or those who think Southeast Texas looks like the 'badlands'.

JAG
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:30:09 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: On Eire and Edinburg(h) (was Re: First major problem in
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> :        Im not a linguist but I think that burg is the morpheme, not burgh,
> :since burg is the smaller meaningful unit.  I suggest that phoneme was meant

I didn't respond to this earlier because I had missed the earlier part and
wasn't sure what it was talking about, but "burg" and "burgh" are both
morphemes.  The "burg" in "burgh" is not a morpheme, however.

> No, as I've explained again and again, burgh is *FOUR* phonemes, got that?

And here I am agreeing with Graham.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:43:20 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More Possible Croning Sites
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> From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
> >
> >Starkville, Mississippi            M Y   V O T E   A T   T H I S   P O I N T
> >New Orleans              People can do N.O. coming or going
> >Somewhere on the Mississippi River    As you point out, difficult
 logistically
> >Perdido Beach, Florida              OK with me
> >Near Huntsville, Alabama             d i t t o
> >Stockholm?               Kay has done Stockholm already.
> >Others?                  You mentioned Memphis.  I might be able to negotiate
>                             some mass housing (10-12 people; no charge); site
>                             -- park-like -- on a bluff overlooking the river
>
> From: Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
>
> My husband and I are seriously considering coming to this...there's
> substantially more chance we'll be there if it doesn't get any farther
> away than Starkville...he just said Starkville was about the outside limit
> of how far we could go and get back in time (we'd be driving).  So I think
> I'd vote:
> 1.      New Orleans
> 2.      Natchez
> 3.      Vicksburg
> 4.      Starkville
> 5.      or what about Gulfport/Biloxi?
> Surely there would be a park in New Orleans/Natchez/Vicksburg for the
> croning site?  Too, those locations might solve the problems of air
> travel, accommodations, and non-croning activities.

Anybody want to suggest a system for tallying votes?  I recommend that
the wishes of people expressing strong interest at this point be taken
very seriously -- i.e., that we rule out places they rule out.  Following
that principle, we can strike Stockholm from the list on two counts:  Kay
has already done Stockholm, and it's farther than Starkville from Houston.
Brad's first choice is Nancy's fourth choice.  That means that Starkville
is still on the list.  So is N.O. since Brad didn't give a firm no on it.
The river towns are also remote possibilities -- Natchez and Vicksburg
are on Nancy's list, and Brad has mentioned Memphis, which is probably
about the same distance from Houston as Starkville is since Sville is
farther west.

What about Gulfport/Biloxi?  They're ugly.  Pretty beach is not many miles
farther east.  (Perdido Beach is also probably no farther from Houston
than Starkville is.)

Other suggestions?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Judge's decision and next question
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>>The first appears to be a quote from some fictional work; the second has a
>>more scholarly ring to it.
>
>And one quote has it five miles deep - the other somewhat under four.
>
>Tony H.

I suspect that the lady jogger didn't have a 5 mile long piece of string with
her so she just guessed the distance. :-) Gorges are not uniform in their
depth so some guestimations are allowable. In the case of the Grand Canyon -
it's depth was given as 4,000 to 5,500 feet.... so on the same scale a gorge
four times deeper would be in the range 16,000 to 22,000 feet and the figures
Mka quoted have a narrower range than that.

Carolyn
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 7 Jan 93 13:16:32
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Jenna asks:
   >
   >Apropos of nothing, I have lost a highly useful word and thought that some
   >LITERARY-netter might have it. The word in question is a noun which describes
   >someone who is forever contrasting his present circumstances unfavorably with
   >his past circumstances, 

A "pain-in-the-ass".

	//anne//
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:59:38 EST
From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Words-l Meets Real Life
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Posted on 5 Jan 1993 at 17:20:49 by Rita Marie Rouvalis

>                  PLAY IT SAFE. USE A COMMA
>
> Subject: Dutch chemical plant explodes due to typing error
>
> In the first half of this year the chemical factory Cindu exploded causing
> several deaths and a chaos. It was confirmed yesterday that a simple typing
> error led to this tragic accident. Apparently the computerised chemical
> processing installation was fed with data in which a comma was placed at a
> wrong digit, causing the wrong amount of chemicals to be mixed in the
> installation. This led to an enormous explosion and the closure of the
> factory.
>         The Dutch news said that the responsible person has been found and
> he will be charged with negligible conduct causing death.
> From: rmoonen@ihlpl.att.com

Rita, Rita!  According to RISKS this is not at all what happened.

Tony H.
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 9 Jan 93 10:57:10 GMT
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To those of you who cared, and helped:

The 'reification' question that came up a month and a half ago was 
part of a second-round competition for a NASA contract, to write the
history of 'Space and the American Imagination'.  They finally wound
up giving the contract to someone in DC, but the historian in charge
was quite emphatic about this not being a negative opinion of my 
proposal: he even suggested a couple of other agencies/funding-sources
I might try to resubmit the project to.  

It's gratifying to come close to winning, when you started out without
much hope: I don't know why it's correspondingly harder, too, to have
lost a close one.  I do have other projects, and I have been getting more
respect in my profession (let's not have any smart remarks, kids!) lately,
so it's not the end of the world, just another disappointment.

--bayla
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
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>He's using Wordperfect 5.1 and PC Tools 6.  My big problem is that I've
>never used PC Tools and know nothing about it (except what it is -- it's
>the rival of Norton Utilities, which I do use).  He said that he can't
>retrieve the file he's working on (a serious situation since he's a
>professional writer).  When trying to retrieve the file he gets a message
>from PC Tools saying "Use Diskfix before continuing."  Another message says
>"bad memory image of FAT reading drive C."  His question to me is how to
>use Diskfix.

        I'm with Karen on this -- he MUST back up every important file before
        doing anything else.

        Diskfix is a 'bad sector' fixer.  It's possible that it can fix up the
        FAT tables or cross-linked files or whatever without ruining things,
        but that's chancy.

        Your uncle may be having problems with it because you don't access it
        from within the PC Tools shell.  He should exit PC Tools and run
        Diskfix from a DOS prompt.  He probably SHOULDN'T 'revitalize' the
        disk.

        I don't quite understand what is meant by being unable to retrieve the
        file he's working on.  Does no file with the appropriate name exist?
        If so, he should try to undelete.  Is there no file with some
        identifiable text that he *knows* should be in that file?  He should
        use 'search' to see if that text can be found <somewhere>.

        Final suggestion -- Carol Carmick has written documentation for PC
        Tools, but is still 'nomail' on WORDS-L.

[I have PC Tools 6, with manuals...]
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Subject:      Re: Famous horses

>Not me...I love happy endings.  One reason I sometimes read Harlequin
>Romances (yes, Susan, I admitted it publicly...try not to be too
>embarrassed)...I want happily ever after.

There is more to happy endings than the fact that you like them. They
are necessary. The logic of a story demands a happy ending. Stories
with no happily ever afters are fundamentally bad stories. An otherwise
inferior story can be made bearable by an extra happy ending. Anyone
who says that the good guys shouldn't win in the end don't know what
they are talking about - in fact they're being almost as moronic as
suggesting that there shouldn't be bad guys at all. I don't see anything
to be embarrassed about in Harlequin Romances. What are they anyway?
Mills and Boons?

tushar
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 7 Jan 93 09:03:04
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In-reply-to: Anne Burton Harwell's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:51:30 -0600

Our Bandwidth Hog reporting from England:

   Tony was right about this place. First righteous meal since I've been
   here. GT remained at home convalescing on his bed of pain (not a *word*
   from you, Jenna) while Fizzy and I walked through the wretched cold rain
   and splashing traffic to get to this place. It was just where you said,
   Tony, and within walking distance, easy walking distance in any other
   weather.


Well, seeing as I've done one of the most spontaneous things I've ever done
and gone and purchased a RT ticket to England, I would really appreciate
the specifics on this amazing place to eat...Tony?  Anne?  Also, any
insight on great pubs etc.  I'll be with 5 others--all of us would list a
good pub or two on our lists of "must see"'s...  Seeing as it will be
February, I'm not expecting the greatest weather--any "must see"'s are
greatly appreciated.  I'm only there for 4 days...but still...

	//anne//
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Subject:      Re: Gleaning: Xtian
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              7 Jan 1993 12:33:31 -0600 from <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>

Susan,
  Don't let abh's comment bother you; I enjoyed your story.  Sometimes
I wonder if she and Graham are siblings. :)

Evelyn
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Posted on 10 Jan 1993 at 09:51:04 by Natalie Maynor
>> Oh, maybe I shouldn't tell this story; I haven't seen any sad movies w/
>> Karsten yet so he doesn't know what I'm like!
>But has he heard you laugh yet?  I bet he can extrapolate from there...

Judith just asked me the same question in private mail!  Yes, when we
went to the Border Grill w/ Emily, some people next to us complained
because I laughed too loud.  I still don't know how they could tell--
there was such an echo in there it was impossible to hear.

Karen
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