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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 09:15:22 PDT
From: Rick_Sherman@NeXT.COM
Subject: (none)

Group,

I'm still trying to figure out how to get my name off this mailing  
list. If anyone has any suggestions, please email.


Regards,
Rick
From: ebg@atr-hr.atr.co.jp (Ed Gamble)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: OW 3.0 Binder
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:23:26 GMT
Organization: ATR Auditory and Visual Perception Research Labs., Japan


Is the following supposed to work.

ebg@hoshi(130)$ rm -r ~/.cetables 
ebg@hoshi(131)$ binder
	(binder click duplicate)
	(properties type new-icon-name)
	(properties click apply)
	(binder click save)
	kill binder from tvtwm, quit in X11R5
ebg@hoshi(132)$ ce_db_build user -to_ascii ~/user.binder
ebg@hoshi(133)$ cat ~/user.binder
{
NS_NAME=Types
NS_ATTR=
NS_ENTRIES=(    (
(TYPE_NAME,type-id,<Tar>)
(TYPE_OPEN,call,<guide $FILE>)
(TYPE_ICON,icon-file,<$OPENWINHOME/include/images/GILfile_glyph.icon>)
(TYPE_ICON_MASK,icon-file,<$OPENWINHOME/include/images/GILfile_glyph_mask.icon>)
(TYPE_BGCOLOR,color,<0 255 0>)
(TYPE_FGCOLOR,color,<0 0 0>)
(TYPE_PRINT,string,<cat $FILE | mp -lo | lpr -h>)
)
)
}
ebg@hoshi(134)$ ce_db_build user -from_ascii ~/user.binder
YYERROR:syntax error, line 4, symbol NS_ENTRIES
ebg@hoshi(135)$ 


What have I overlooked?

-- Ed

		
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Something to be added to OL FAQ...
Reply-To: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:43:06 GMT

Can someone explain why some applications require me to add a

-Bstatic -lXmu

pair of flags to resolve the following:

ld: Undefined symbol
   _get_wmShellWidgetClass
   _get_applicationShellWidgetClass

??
-- 
Larry W. Virden			UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lwv26@cas    INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg,OH 43068-1614
America Online: lvirden
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jdr@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Jim Ray)
Subject: error bringing up xterm
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:40:44 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Keywords: xterm, openwindows

Anyone ever gotten "Warning: Actions not found: select-set" when
bringing up an xterm withen openwindows 3.0.

I'm running 4.1.2 Sunos on a sun IPX.

Any ideas?


--
Jim Ray                                Harris Semiconductor
Internet:  jdr@semi.harris.com         PO Box 883   MS 62B-022
Phone:     (407) 729-5059              Melbourne, FL  32901
From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: OpenLook Default Font??? ( A Few Questions???)
Keywords: Font
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:51:46 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Apr1.030138.1979@Princeton.EDU> clements@glasses.Princeton.EDU (John B. Clements) writes:
>In article <1992Mar26.170448.6723@panix.com> miner@panix.com (Ed Miner) writes:
>>Does anyone know what the OpenLook default font is?
>>
>>This is the font any OpenLook application looks for at Toolkit 
>>initialization time. If absent a sample error message is : 
>>
>>OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "openlook_sa_guise": Could not find the
>> default OPEN LOOK font

I believe the olwm man page claims that the default font (for text 
windows like cmdtool) is "lucida-sans".  I tried starting up with the
font specified explicitly, and found that lucida-sans is proportionally
spaced, and thus just about worthless for a command tool.  Our local sun
person tracked it down, and found that, contrary to the documentation, the
default font is "lucida-sans-typewriter".

I don't know what the actual default font is for panel items and icon
labels; they may also be the -typewriter version.

The man page gives tehe resources to be set (i.e. in .xdefaults) to set
the default fonts for various things; sorry I don't remember them now.


-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil              "Pave the Bay!"
   #include <std/disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jdb26@YP.sparcm1 (Jeff Bailey)
Subject: FRONT Key, OLIT Popups and OW3.0
Reply-To: jdb26@YP.sparcm1
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:11:54 GMT

Have you noticed that the Front key does not behave correctly in OLIT applications
if the app has popup windows currently up?  I've found that you can workaround
the problem with the following resource:

*transient: False

I know that the OLIT manual says clients should not set this resource and to
use XtNwindowGroup instead, but I can't get that to work.

My question:  This seems to work fine for me, but are there demons out there
if I set this resource?

---
Jeff Bailey                   "We are the people our parent's warned up about"
Chemical Abstracts Service                                        Jimmy Buffett
Columbus, OH 43221         INTERNET: jdb26@cas.org
(614) 447-3600               BITNET: jdb26@cas.bitnet

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: robert@triton.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert Angelino)
Subject: What do I lose if I run motif apps in olwm???
Reply-To: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:10:23 GMT

hello X experts,
	I'm curious to know if anyone out there has had any experience
in problems encountered when running motif apps in olwm???

thanks
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From: marke@cpg.trs.reuter.com (Mark Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Current version of devguide?
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:32:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

What is the current release version of devguide?  If current version is
greater than 1.1, any comments on what has changed since 1.1?

Thanks.
--
Mark Ellis - Sr. Staff Engineer
Reuters, 1400 Kensington Rd., Oak Brook, IL  60521
marke@trs.reuter.com
uunet!richsun!marke
From: uunet!westhawk!thp@Unify.Com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: HasSunWMProtocols() in Olit 3.0 - what does it do?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:40:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: openlook.zrij6vs


I am porting Dirt (a freeware application builder) to support the Olit
widgets. I've got it mostly working for Olit 2.5. I am having trouble
getting 3.0 to mesh. 

The problem is that Dirt core dumps in the Initialize proc of a
VendorShell. Specifically HasSunWMProtocols() ends up calling
XtConvertAndStore() with null as the first arg, this causes the segv.

In order to do what Dirt needs to do, I call OlPreInitialize(),
emulate OlMidInitialize() and then call OlPostInitialize().

Westhawk is a source licencee of Olit from USL, and we have the 4i 
release, but HasSunWMProtocols() is not in that release !?! Worse
the code I have from USL _wont_ compile on SunOS 4.1.1b, so i _have_
to use the precompiled (undebuggable) libXol.a from OW3.

So I have 2 questions:
	1) What does HasSunWMProtocols() do and what does it use
as the first arg to XtConvertAndStore() (via OlInternAtom()) ?
	2) How is an Olit developer supposed to get hold of the
corresponding source for the OLIT in OW3 ?

Tim.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Tim Panton, Westhawk Ltd.  "Couldn't you make this a little easier for me?" |
|Phone: +44 244 314800          "Nope. This is as easy as it gets."          |
|Email: thp%westhawk.uucp@uknet.ac.uk                                        |
|Paper: Westhawk Ltd. Archway House, Station Road, Chester. CH1 3DW. UK      |
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From: gshastr@andy.bgsu.edu (Ganesh.N.Shastri)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Is There an FAQ ??
Keywords: FAQ,Open Look , Open Windows
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:31:00 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.



Could someone e-mail me the FAQ to this newgroup or tell where
to find it?? Thanks a lot,
				Ganesh N Shastri
				gshastr@fermi.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall)
Subject: Looking for PageView source
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:43:42 GMT

	I thought it used to be included with OpenWindows, but
I couldn't find it in either OpenWindows 2.0 or 3.0.

	Thanks in advance.
	

Eric Marshall
Software Productivity Consortium
SPC Building
2214 Rock Hill Road
Herndon, VA 22070
(703) 742-7153

ARPANET: marshall@software.org
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: olwm: Signal catcher called recursively
Keywords: olwm bomb help newb faq?
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:29:29 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

Running OLv3 on IPXs with SunOS4.1.1. Bombing out of the windowing
system with:

/usr/joe/.xinitrc: 11505 [olwm's pid] Memory fault
Signal catcher called recursively: aborting for post-mortem ...

Happens most often when quitting a client (via titlebar menu) or
clicking some button. Intermittent, but happens enought (4+ times a
day) to make it a real pain.

Any help/pointers appreciated. TIA.

Tx. [apologies if this subject is old and worn]
--
-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: Last Plea: XDM on OpenWindows V3
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:47:41 GMT

mike@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Cosmik Debris) writes:
> I have xdm in /usr/bin/X11 and it works fine without having to do anything
> extra.

Watch that there is a serious security problem with starting the OpenWindows
server from xdm with OW2.0 -- you might want instead to have an suid program
owned by `nobody' that starts it -- e.g.

main()
{
    setreuid(Nobody, Nobody);
    execl("xnews", "/usr/openwin/bin/xnews", ......_;
    perror("xnews startup - execl failed");
    exit(1);
}

where Nobody is obtained by getpwent(), etc...

Also, investigate the (I think undocumented) -fromxdm option to xnews.
With OpenWindows 3, as Cosmik Debris [sic] says, it should simply work, but
that's if you use the Sun xdm config files, not the MIT ones.  See the
files in /usr/openwin/lib/xdm.

Lee

-- 
Liam Quin, lee@sq.com, SoftQuad, Toronto, 416 239-4801; the barefoot programmer

bad string

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: asnyder@artorg.hmc.psu.edu (Alan J. Snyder)
Subject: HELP: ol setting F13, F18, F20 to mod group
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:54:14 GMT


Some componenet of openlook appears to add F13, F18 and F20 to the first
empty mod group (usually mod4 or mod5) each time a new decorated window
is created.

These keys work with sun-supplied xview applications work with or without
the extra mod group, and xev still shows the Fxx keys being generated, but
some applications (e.g., Framemaker) see the keys as mod4 or mod5, not as
Fxx.

Does anyone know (1) why this is done (2) how to turn it off?  Appologies
if this is an FAQ; I couldn't find it in any FAQ files.

--
asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:53:15 PDT
From: sybase!sid@Sun.COM (S. Cowles)
Subject: OW3 calendar manager


i managed to get the data input for my calendar manager session
wiped out.  now, when i open the cm, i get a blank slate of
appointments.  i've managed to recover the bulk of the data from
the calendar log, /usr/spool/calendar/callog.sid, but have had
no success in getting cm to load the data.  i've tried invoking
cm with the "-c calfile" option and had no luck.  is there any
way i can modify the data from the calendar log and get a new
invocation of cm to recoginize it?

thanks,

sid cowles  
voice: +1-510-596-3971
internet:                uucp:
sid@sybase.com           {pacbell,sun,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!sid
scowles@llnl.gov         {backbone}!lll-winken!humpty!scowles
From: rickg@eng.sun.com (Richard Goldstein)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: PANEL_MESSAGE update problem
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: rickg@eng.sun.com
Organization: SunSoft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nheeghee
In-reply-to: rublee@ssd.kodak.com's message of 6 Apr 92 13:39:41 GMT


   From: rublee@ssd.kodak.com (Darrell Rublee)
   Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
   Date: 6 Apr 92 13:39:41 GMT
   Sender: news@ssd.kodak.com
   Organization: Eastman Kodak

   Article 4427 of comp.windows.open-look:
   Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Path: ispd-newsserver!rpi!think.com!ames!ncar!chinook!chris
   From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
   Subject: Re: PANEL_MESSAGE update problem
   Message-ID: <1992Apr3.233701.27867@ncar.ucar.edu>
   Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu (USENET Maintenance)
   Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
   Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
   References: <RICKG.92Apr3145821@nheeghee.eng.sun.com>
   Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 23:37:01 GMT

   >>...the item, by default, gets repainted each time xv_set is called on it.

   >Not on my machine.  I had the same problem the original poster did, that is why
   >I used the XFlush.  I set the message and then do exabyte tape IO, which takes
   >forever, and the message didn't appear until the IO was done.
   >
   >--Chris

   Not  on my machine either.  I update a PANEL_LABEL_STRING of a PANEL_MESSAGE
   using xv_set just before I am doing some heavy SCSI communications.  
   OpenWindows does not seem to be updating the screen immediately after doing
   an xv_set.  Therefore, my SCSI communications is kicking in before the 
   screen is being updated by OpenWindows.  Doing an XFlush after the xv_set
   seems to be a decent workaround.


as i had implied, to see this happen, you're not using the toolkit within its
proper framework.  see the section on implicit/explicit dispatching, frame
busy mode, frame footers, .... in the XVPM.


<<rick

--

---------------------------------------------------------

	Richard M. Goldstein 
	Window Systems Technology Group
	SunSoft, Inc.

	"You've got to be Hardy to rest on your Laurels"
			-unknown

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From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Font with Fractions
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:40:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: afterlif.1992Apr12.164043.22745
Organization: The Great Beyond


 I want to use a font that has more fractions than the standard 1/4, 1/2, and
 3/4, and so far have been unable to figure out how to do this with openlook.

 I have used the old sunview font editor to make the required characters
 (1/8, 3/8, 5/8, and 7/8)
 in a vfont, but haven't found any way to convert a vfont (or fm, or afm,
 or anything else) into an f3 font.  I also haven't found any way to make
 openlook use anything but f3 fonts.  (I believe the FAQ mentioned that
 newsprint 2.0 will use afm fonts, and we will be installing that shortly).

 Does anyone know how to:
  1) convert any other font format to f3, without buying typemaker?
  2) make openwindows use any format besides f3, or
  3) where to get a fontedit that works with f3?


-- 
   Dave Kemp   dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil              "Pave the Bay!"
   #include <std/disclaimer>
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: PANEL_CHOICE_STRINGS with char **somestrings?
Summary: don't like the for loop...
Keywords: xv_set PANEL_CHOICE_STRINGS
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:54:35 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	I'm constructing a PANEL_CHOICE_STACK with lots of entries
(it shows up as two columns).  I'm want to speed things up by using
xv_set once, rather than many times in a loop.  Consider this snippet:

    for (i = index; i < (pkt->count + index); i++) {
        switch (pkt->op) {
        case LIST_NEW:
        case LIST_APPEND:
            tile->n_choices += 1;
            /* Fall through... */
        case LIST_CHANGE:
	    /* this might just be bogus here....  what I
	       might be able to do instead is use PANEL_CHOICE_STRINGS
	       and set all of the list at once, rather than have a bunch
	       of calls to xv_set.... */
	     xv_set(tile->tile.item, PANEL_CHOICE_STRING, i, ptr, 0); 
             ptr += strlen(ptr) + 1; 
            break;
        case LIST_DELETE:
            /* Can't do anything */
            break;
        }
  
	Now, is there a way of saying PANEL_CHOICE_STRINGS by:

	xv_set(someobject, PANEL_CHOICE_STRINGS, the_strings, NULL); ????

	A problem is that the dialog is created on the fly.  I have no
idea of what the strings are ahead of time, so cacheing is out.

				Daniel
-- 
 dansmith@autodesk.com       daniel@world.std.com       dansmith@well.sf.ca.us
        Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
              Disclaimer: written by a highly caffeinated mammal
 $|=1;for("..."," hacker"," perl"," a","just"){print $l=$_.$l,"\015";sleep 1;}
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:2128 comp.sys.sun.apps:681 comp.sys.sun.admin:2309
From: N.Davis@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Last Plea: XDM on OpenWindows V3
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:05:08 GMT
Reply-To: N.Davis@lut.ac.uk (Neil Davis)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Yes I have got xdm to run with OpenWindows V3.0
I'm not sure why, but if you run the xdm binary supplied with V3.0
it looks for a file '/usr/openwin/lib/xdm/xdm' which doesn't exist.

However, if you start xdm with a config file
i.e.
	xdm -config /usr/openwin/lib/xdm/xdm-config

up pops the login screen. (I suspect that renaming xdm-config to xdm
would have the same effect)

HTH

Neil Davis
From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: SUN Calendar Manager - Part 1
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:11:07 GMT
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

In article <kupg8gINNat8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> nannette@sunsol7.Eng.Sun.COM (Nannette Simpson) writes:

>   FACT:
>   *Any* software which maintains its own data structures
>   in memory and uses NFS to back them can potentially have this
>   problem.  The NFS protocol is stateless.  The server
>   does not remember from one transaction to the next
>   anything about its clients, transactions completed or
>   files operated on.
>
>   --
>   Nannette Simpson			Internet: nannette@Eng.Sun.COM


I sent mail to your From address and to the address at the bottom of
your posting. Both addresses bounced when it reached engmail1.eng.sun.com.

Heavy Sigh....

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Connected to engmail1.eng.sun.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<nannette@eng>
<<< 550 <nannette@eng>... User unknown
550 <nannette@eng.sun.com>... User unknown

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Connected to engmail1.eng.sun.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<nannette@sunsol7.eng>
<<< 554 <nannette@sunsol7.eng>... Never heard of host sunsol7 in domain Eng . Sun . COM
554 <nannette@sunsol7.eng.sun.com>... Service unavailable

Anyhow, this is the message I tried to mail to you twice.

Excuse the rant and rave, but....

Sun has a locking daemon for NFS. Sun should use it.
I hear it is very buggy. Perhaps if Sun used Sun's own software for
it's own products, the quality of Sun's software would improve.

I recommend that you use it for this product, and if the locking
mechanism doesn't work, fix it. 

--
Bruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:2211 comp.sys.sun.misc:1947
From: schroder@BBN.COM (Ken Schroder)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Can you substitute a tablet for the mouse in OpenWindows?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Date: 15 Apr 1992 21:57:38 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: schroder@BBN.COM (Ken Schroder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: sunos, mouse, tablet, openwindows, x11, streams
cc: schroder


Under SunOS 4.1.1 running OpenWindows or X11, is there a way to substitute
a data tablet for the mouse?  I believe I can write a streams module that
filters tty characters from the table and generates virtual user interface
events.

The problem I see, from looking at the X11R4 sources, is that it only handles
relative location events from the mouse device.  Our tablet is mounted on a
projection screen TV so we need absolute positions to keep the position
from drifting if some data are dropped.

Has anyone already done part or all of this and have device or code to offer?

Thanks!
Ken

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BBN Systems and Technologies		Voice: (617) 873-3167
10 Moulton Street, MS 6/3A		FAX:   (617) 873-3776
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From: cd27@itri.bton.ac.uk (Chris Dale)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: How to Modify Opening Banner ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: cd27@itri.bton.ac.uk
Organization: ITRI, Brighton Polytechnic, UK

Apologies if this is an FAQ (is there an FAQ ?)

In OpenWindows (2 & 3) you get an opening banner of "Welcome to Openwin etc..."
I want to change this to somthing more site specific.  I note that it also comes
up when using twm.  What starts this (xinit or the xnews server) and can I modify
it ?

Thanks in advance

Chris...


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: clements@burn.Princeton.EDU (John B. Clements)
Subject: ticky-tacky back/foregrounds
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:55:41 GMT

  I'm writing a mini-file browser under X toolkit (and OLIT), and I'm
getting these tacky white backgrounds/foregrounds.  This sounds silly,
but I really like that sexy gray that you generally get for the
buttons/backgrounds/etc., and I feel as though this must simply be some
silly little resource that I'm failing to set.  It's not that I'm
getting the 2-D look, the buttons clearly pop "in" and "out", it's just
that with a white background and a white foreground, the whole thing
looks stupid.  

  Thanks for any help you might be able to supply.

john clements
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: SUN Calendar Manager
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:13:34 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC


  I'm greatly encouraged that Sun is seriously considering publishing
the protocol definition for the Calendar Manager.  If I might be so
direct, PLEASE publish it as an informational RFC so that it is widely
and conveniently available.  Also, if it is to use a TCP or UDP port,
PLEASE get an official port number from the IANA.
  
  Sun did this with the NFS specification and it has worked well for
not only users but also for Sun by turning NFS into a de facto standard.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 11:22:42 EDT
From: fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: Re: DevGuide 'iconize windows automatically' Feature?

> I can't find any help or documentation in DevGuide (3.0 for Sun SPARCstation IPX),
> but is there a way when you load a GIL file you can tell it to automatically
> iconize any windows?  Currently I'm loading an application with quite a few
> windows and everytime I start I have to iconize most if not all of the windows.
> I would prefer that they iconize and I will select which ones I want to work
> with from the bunch of icons.

	You should not put all your windows into one .G file.  I suggest
	that each major frame should have its own .G file and they all should
	be part of a .P file.

	Besides the icons "problem", your src code will be easier to manage too.

	Frank G.
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