HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:24:31 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: GEORGE HERBERT WALKER JOSEPH McCARTHY BUSH

In article <67648@cup.portal.com>, atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) says:

>Judging from Clinton's toadying of "War on Drugs" neo-stalinism, he has
>been listening to the nuts in Bush's party too.

Eh, be fair, anyone who advocates legalization is committing political suicide.
Clinton is too much of a politician (and I don't mean that in the negative
sense of the word; see the recent Time article on Abraham Lincoln for an
interesting perspective on "politicians") to do that.

If you are keen on legalization, however, be glad the question was actually
raised. It looks like the hysteria and knee-jerk reactions to the idea
are finally starting to die down.

                  "Two hundredth verse, same as the first!"
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Bush cowardice? I think not (RE More Bush Cowardice)
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.230146.2376@unislc.uucp>, das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten) writes:
> vsg001@acad.drake.edu wrote:
> Hmm..  Vince, buddy, I think you completely missed the point.  You implied
> Clinton was afraid to defend his country.  We cannot infer anything of the
> kind from his unwillingness to fight in Vietnam.  Our country was in no
> way threatened with invasion by North Vietnam, so I don't know how you
> could call what we did in Vietnam defense of our country.  And I don't 
> think it was even legally a war.. I was under the impression we never did
> declare war on North Vietnam, it was another of our famous police actions.

What a tangled web we weave... At the time, our government called the American
military forces to prevent the spread of Communism, something that was believed
to ultimately defend American interests, and therefore in defense of the US.
You would have a *very* difficult time trying to explain to my Father and his
friends (all veterans) that what they did, was not in defense of their country.
Clinton manipulated the draft system so that some one else went in his place.

*Cowardice: (kauardis) n. Lacking the capacity to meet danger without giving
way to fear. (according to The New Lexicon Webster Dictionary)
Hmm... how felicitous.

Now this thing that there was not a Vietnam wsa not a war. How typical for
liberals to try and avoid a subject with pathetic attempts to shroud an issue
in NonPhilisophicPonderings such as if a fetus exists or not. (If you want
education on this read anything that drieux writes) True, there was no formal
declation but:

*War: (wor) n. armed conflict between nations, tribes, or other groups
Again, you would be *very* hard pressed to explain to *any* veteran that
Vietnam was not war.
  
> HERE endeth the lesson.
Umm. No.
--
Here endith the Lesson
--
Disclaimers. Disclaimers.
		VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative)
ps there is a reason why I spell it "endith" but thats something different.
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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Gore an Imposter!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:24:54 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:

>A few final comments:
>Gore seems like he went to the Robert Tilton school of how to look
>schmaltzy on TV.

Ah, so you've noticed.  We all know that much of PMRC's money came
from religious right front organizations.  I think Gore is an
imposter!  He's really a fundie!

Stratocaster
-- 
	   Steve Davis (I'm a student, not a spokesperson!)
      strat@cis.ksu.edu - Kansas State University - Manhattan KS
				   
There are no monks in my band.  There are no saints in this land. - RHCP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: I will not vote Democratic - here's why.
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:26:13 GMT

>>  The ONLY reason Clinton is currently leading in the polls is due to the
>>fact that a majority of Americans believe that under a Clinton
>>administration only the rich will have their taxes raised and through this
>>additional revenue Clinton will revitalize the economy.

But don't trust him....fellow (democratic) governor Jim Florio certainly
misled us in NJ. When he ran for governor in 1989, candidate Florio said "I see
no reasons to raise taxes". Less than six months later, Florio pushed through 
the largest single tax increase (for any state) in the history of our country!

The new 'Florio' taxes include:
1-He raised the state sales tax from 6 to 7% (since reversed).
2-He extended the sales tax to toilet paper, alcohol, and other items.
3-He almost DOUBLED some of the tolls on NJ's highways
4-He DOUBLED the income tax rate on NJ residents.
5-He eliminated the deductability of property taxes on NJ tax returns.
6-He drastically curtailed the property tax relief program
7-He increased numerous fees (car registration, etc) as well.
8-If a NJ resident goes to a hospital and is insured, that
  NJ resident gets a bill with a 23% surcharge added to it.
9-He revised school funding and our property taxes shot up.
......etc......

These taxes affected every income level and social strata in our state.
In general, NJ counties rank near the top nationwide in property taxes.
[The property taxes in my county (Passaic) are the 2nd highest IN THE NATION].

Our state saw its bond ratings drop and its economy decline much worse than
most others as a result. Our unemployment rate was the highest in the nation
for a few months (its now the 3rd or 4th highest - a dubious distinction).

The latest predictions for NJ's economy says we will take longer to
come out of the recession. Lucky us.

Its a very safe bet that Florio will be unemployed after the next election
in our state (11/93). His approval rating is now at its 'highest', just 33%.

Because of Florio's actions and deception, I will NOT vote democratic. Period.

Consider the above when you vote on November 3rd.

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Usual disclaimers....

Perot in `92

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Re: Anybody got a GA or LA poll? (was Re: NC poll shows Clinton on top)
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:14 GMT

In article <1662@cogsci.ucsd.EDU> king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:
>>I'll bet my old pal (not) Jesse Helms doesn't like this at all.
>
>Don't be so sure.  I'm pretty sure that Jesse Helms is one of those
>ArchConservatives (tm) who tend to despise Bush most.  Has Helms done
>any major campaigning for him so far in the state?

	Helms and Bush are cut from pretty much the same
cloth.  Tobacco Subsidies aren't conservative.

	-rj
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:30:49 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Yeah! And who sold all that chemical and nuclear weapon technology to
the Iraqis JUST ONE YEAR before the Gulf War? Where was Bill?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: confused@cwis.unomaha.edu (stephen richard smith)
Subject: DEBATE TRANSCRIPTS
Summary: I NEED ALL DEBATE TRANSCRIPTS
Keywords: debate
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:57:18 GMT



Hi I am In serch of the pres. and vp debate transcripts could some one tell
me where on the internet I can find them? my email is.......
confused@cwis.unomaha.edu
thank you in advance.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd)
Subject: How to feel GREAT about voting!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:16:44 GMT

You know how you hate to vote because it seems pointless and/or
you always seem to have to vote for the lesser of two (three?)
evils? Well, there's another way to look at it...

Pick your least favorite person. Someone like Marilyn Quayle,
for example. Then, on November 3rd, go to the voting booth to
specifically and deliberately and joyously CANCEL that person's
vote. Think of how annoyed the CEO of Exxon would be to know that
his vote was cancelled by an unemployed steamfitter in Wisconsin.
Think how angry Pat Robertson would be to know that his vote was
cancelled by a bisexual sadomasochist from San Francisco! And
the worst thing about it from the cancellee's vantage point
is that there is NOTHING they can do to stop it--they might
as well stay home for all the good their votes will do. Doesn't
this sound like FUN?--I can hardly wait for the election!

Why, just my immediate circle of friends can completely neuter
the upper echelon of the GOP this year. And the transitive closure
of my friends and their friends' friends can take out both the first
and second tier. Think globally, act PERSONALLY.

I told this to a friend of mine who's in a punk band, and he's spent
this week writing names of sh*theads down on 3x5 cards. This Saturday,
he's going to raffle them off to the audience at Clubstitute in SF:
purchasing a card gives the bearer the exclusive right to cancel the
vote of the person named on the card.

I already have dibs, by the way, on Rush Limbaugh. I love democracy!

Next election, we're going to go one step further: we're
going to raffle off POSTCARDS with the mailing address of the cancellee
on the front. The text side will read something like:

"Dear Ms. Schlafly,

 It pleases me to inform you that I, a _____________________________
______________________________________________________________
_________________________ purchased for the measley sum of $ _____
the exclusive right to cancel your vote this election. I am sending
this little note to you 60 days before the election to make sure you
have at least a month to gnaw out your heart with the realization that
there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to salvage your vote, and that
you are therefore rendered essentially powerless in this election."

The bearer then fills in the blanks (e.g. "leather-clad motorcycle
dyke" or some such) and drops it in the nearest mailbox.

See you in three weeks.
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WHAT GORE REALLY SAYS in his book
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:02:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <9651@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>In <ldrnmkINNled@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:

>MP:I thought the issue was what Clinton believes and advocates.  Gore won't
>MP:be the first or last vice president that had different positions on
>MP:many issues of substance.  When Gore is running for president, ask what
>MP:he believes.

>If nobody cares what the VP's believe, then why do we have VP debates.

To make sure that the special interests who help the P get elected are
well represented. :)



Gregg





-- 
Gregg Jaeger    (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu)          VOTE PEROT  VOTE PEROT       
If you think the Republicans screwed up the country, can you afford to
see what the Democrats will do?!   ->BEWARE OF SLICK-WILLY CLINTON!!<-
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From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: VP Debate -- impressions & facts
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:30:28 GMT
Organization: Committee to Impeach H. Ross Perot's Barber
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfa.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct14.203214.4194@Princeton.EDU> glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
>
>Because old crack-smoking DQ, EVERY time he told one of his lies,
>absolutely refused to let Gore respond and went on with his hyperactive,
>childish, *embarassing* political-operative-programmed speech on the way
>to "trust" and "waffling."  Wotta jerk.

I don't know about the crack-smoking part, but Dan Quayle was almost
single-handedly responsible for the fractious nature of the proceedings.
Gore was eventually drawn into the histrionics, but Quayle set the tone.
All of the arguments of substance were about Clinton's economic plan and
Gore's book.   When Quayle was attacking the taxes in Clinton's economic
plan, where was Stockdale and the Perot $.50/gallon tax?  Did Stockdale
even mention Perot or that he had a plan?

Imagine if Dan Quayle had stood there talking about Bush's plans for the
future and Gore had started thumping the podium and acting like a
spoiled brat.  Imagine Gore taking Quayle to task for something in
Quayle's book.  If you can imagine these things you have a better
imagination than I.
----

    --Brad Sherman
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From: dejst5+@pitt.edu (David   E Joslin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush cowardice? I think not (RE More Bush Cowardice)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:24:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.025825.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>>> That's a personal matter, none of our business.  If you insist on harping on
>>> this topic, then I'll insist on an explanation why Bush 
>>>won't deny ever having an extramarital affair.
>>He did. And so did Miss Fitzgerald, for that matter.
>
>He denied having an affair with Miss Fitzgerald, but

When did he deny having an affair with her?  All I've heard is one denial
of a specific incident, the one that came out of a footnote of some book.
He has never denied having an affair with J. Fitzgerald, as far as I
know.  Any references?

David
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From: sunder@gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Vice Shrub won
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:04:02 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1bj2arINNagm@agate.berkeley.edu>, bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
|> In article <Bw5CDA.KK2.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
|> >
|> >Mona Charen on Crossfire this evening revealed that not only did Gore 
|> 
|> This is a pet peeve of mine.  How come John Sununu, Pat Buchanan and
|> Mona Charen, ex-Republican Administration members all, get to pose
|> on CNN as journalists?  Where I play poker the shills have to wear
|> identifying badges.

No, they don't. They are there to represent a point of view, as people with an
opinion that represents those on the right of the political spectrum. I note
you did not also grumble about Bob Beckel (who was Mondale's campaign chair
in 1984) subbing for Kinsley (on CrossFire); and Larry King, where his viewpoint
is not even clear from the side of the argument he is presenting. Or about
Eleanor Clift on McLaughlin. She's supposed to be a *REPORTER*, for chrissake.
At least the others are columnists. Reporters are expected to keep their
opinions under wraps, while columnists are PAID for their opinions.


|>     --bks

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: tdboyce@cco.caltech.edu (tdboyce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Bush, Clinton, Perot Stock prices?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:09:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Organization: caltech
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.215.139.52

I remember reading that a prof. somewhere is running an experimental
political stock exchange with Clinton, Bush, and Perot stocks. Does anyone
know where to get the current market values? It would be interesting to see
how well candidate stocks have done since the first debate.

Here is a bit of interesting trivia about this stock exchange. There was an
article in the LA Times about it not too long ago ( wish I would have kept
it now :( .) Apparently the concept was also tested during the last
presidental election and predicted voter percentages for the candidates to
within .02% of their actual values on the day before the election. 

:)
Tom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite)
Subject: Re: Upper--middle--lower class??
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:57 GMT

In <67620@cup.portal.com>
atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:

>>Hello,
>>We've been hearing a lot about taxing/no taxing the rich, the middle
>>class, the poor...but my question is what is the "definition" of upper, middle
>>and lower class??  

>In a political context, the "rich" are the people making more money than
>you are.

We got our first definition from Bill Clinton in the debate Sunday.
If your "family" makes under $55K per year then you're middle-class;
$200K or more puts you in the upper class.  Does anyone besides me
see a gaping hole here?  Would anyone care to guess whether Clinton
would raise or lower the taxes on the "gap" people if he were put in
office?

-- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com)
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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,or.politics
Subject: Re: Oregon Measure 9 - Arguments In Favor
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:02:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Oct14.070259.17924
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney) writes:


>     And something I've thought rather ironic is the OCA's attempt to
>equate pedophilia with homosexuality.  In my book, pedophilia has nothing
>to do with child love or sex, but rather is an even more cowardly use of
>control and rage than is adult rape.  And when I think of a group that is
>out to control others and is full of hatred and anger, I immediately think
>of the OCA.  Hmmm...

I'm in the process of collecting both references refuting the 
"homosexual=pedophile" argument, and first hand accounts showing that
contrary to popular belief, it's friends and family that do the *overwhelming*
majority of molestation.

BTW, one abuser survivor I know commented on the fact that his uncle
molested both my friend and his (the unlce's) own daughters. And immediately
lost all interest in them s each of them hit puberty.

That may not be "heterosexual", but it sureas hell *ain't* "homosexual"
either!

-- 
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle on speed?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:27:12 GMT

In article <2659@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>In article 18213@Princeton.EDU, glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:

>Latest from Vice President Quayle:
>"Give a man a fish, and he'll fish for a day.  Teach a man to fish,
                               ^^^^???
>and he'll fish for a lifetime.  And he'll live for a lifetime."
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???
Yeah, saw this, too.  
Pretty funny!
Sad thing is, people who are as dumb as Quayle won't see anything 
wrong with the above statement and so won't get the unintended humor of it.

These are the same sad people who were probably impressed with 
Quayle's childish behavior in the debate.  

I noticed after the first presidential debate, many Bush/Quayle supporters 
remarked on how presidential Bush was. 

I think it is very telling that I have heard NOONE say that Quayle 
was presidential.



-- 
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Univ.of Delaware    ((((( ( (  (  * + *  )  ) ) )))))   -> Buckaroo Banzai
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:36:13 GMT

Right on!  Where was Bill on Nov. 19, 1988 when $1.25 in lunch money and two
pencils were stolen from my locker?  Huh? HUH? WHERE WERE YA, BILL!?!?

(Sounds of crazed, obviously burned out college student being dragged from his
monitor by security.....)


-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  Remember to vote this election year,       
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  you probably won't get another one. 
I don't claim them, they don't	|  
claim me.......			|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Bush Aide Foresees Landslide -- for Bush
Date: 12 Oct 1992 15:24:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) says:

>>A Bush victory in this manner would probably cause a true national
>>depression.  What would he have except a mandate to escalate the war
>>in Vietnam?
>
>[...]
>
>I'm beginning to be confused.  What was Clinton's sin in speaking
>out against the same thing George Bush did 23 years later?  Prescience?

I think that Bush's point, such that it is, is that Clinton was involved
in demonstrations on foreign soil.  He hasn't articulated why this should
be a problem.  Perhaps when Americans go abroad, we're supposed to be
"goodwill ambassadors" and root for Administration policy, whatever it
may be.  Anyway, it's a very, very weak argument.  Not nearly enough
to turn back the Clinton tide.

-- 
Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) 2L Case Western Reserve Law School
"The Fanaticks have always had a way of affecting to run into Per-
secution, and count vast Merit upon every little Hardship they suffer."
^ J. Swift.  "Factum clarum, jus nebulosum."  Rex v. Haddock.
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