HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn)
Subject: Re: Latest NAICCR info on crop circles
Keywords: north america, crop circles, NAICCR
Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:47:37 GMT

rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski) writes:

> In <BtJLF0.3JA@wpi.WPI.EDU> drwho@parker.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) wr
> >>       1992 North American Crop Circles and/or UGMs
> >>           Reported to NAICCR as of 24 August 1992
> 
> >>920808    Strathclair, Manitoba
> >>- a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars (a
> >>circle with an attached arrow pointing away from it) was discovered in
> >>a field southwest of Strathclair.  The main circle was 28 feet in
> >>diameter, with no detectable eccentricity.  The wheat was flattened
> >>counterclockwise.  In the arrow, the wheat was flattened away from the
> >>circle.  The arrow pointed on a bearing of 260 degrees.
> >>Source:  NAICCR
> >>
> >>920815    Ipswich, Manitoba
> >>-  a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was
> >>discovered just east of Ipswich.  The main circle was elliptical, with
> >>axes 26 and 24.5 feet.  The wheat was flattened counterclockwise.  The
> >>arrow pointed on a bearing of 65 degrees.
> >>Source:  NAICCR
> >>920815    Strathclair, Manitoba
> >>-  a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was
> >>discovered west of Strathclair.  The main circel was 24 feet in
> >>diameter.  The wheat was flattened in a counterclockwise fashion.  The
> >>arrow pointed on a bearing of 120 degrees.
> >>Source:  NAICCR
 
Are we saying that other beings know what "our" symbol for Mars is??
 
Has anyone took these crop circles to someone who knows "hyrogliphics" 
(spelling I know) ??? You would think that one of these guys could
convert them or tell us what they mean.
 
Anyway, thanks for the report, and keep it up, it would be nice to get
"GIF" files of these and others, and maybe some close up of the
bending of the crops & stuff.
 
You guys can also tell just about how long ago they were made by
logging when the return to a normal condition. It should be about
8 hours or so, and may depend on temp and humidity just a bit (you can
log them too). Then you can tell just about the TIME when they were made
and maybe you can see a particular time that these are created at night.
 
Remember, someone is messing with gravity, and these are the "clues" left 
behind for you. Use them to your benifit.
 
Nate...

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank)
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:18:07 GMT

In article <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE
>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT...

My god, my friend Roger was replaced with a clone too!  It happened a
few weeks ago.  After I noticed that Roger wasn't quite Roger, I
confronted him (it) about it and he (it) admitted that he (it) was a
clone.  Actually, I'm a little unclear on it.  It's possible that it
just took Roger's brain and replaced it with a clone.

On the bright side, however, the clone said that it would return Roger
soon.




Marc G. Frank                                      mgfrank@avernus.com
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From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Time travel
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:39 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

Is anybody here interested in time travel?  Is this the best place to ask?

Did anyone see the program "Antenna" on TV in the UK several weeks ago?
I have no TV and didn't see it, but apparently David Deutsch, a theoretical
physicist from Oxford, was going on about time travel.  Can anyone give
a summary of what he said?

Thanks in advance!

-Norman
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:25:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
	What makes you think the aliens have any interest in the
	Earth?  

... well, it may be exactly because we are so primitive (in comparison
with a race that can go from star to star).  We study primitive
cultures, if an advanced civilization were to find Earth, I would
think they would have an anthropological interest in us.  Modern
anthropology stresses avoidance of cultural damage by contact with
more advanced cultures.  Perhaps any aliens who found Earth would
be following the same procedure?

	What makes you think they've even FOUND it?

... well, there are these objects people say they see in the sky.
Some people say they're real, some say they're not.  If they are real
alien vehicles, then they've found us.

	How do you fit in visits to 100 billion stars on your
	interstellar journey, trying to find one that has
	semi-intelligent life?

... well, there is such a thing as luck; if aliens started looking for
life in other star systems, maybe they would just came here early on
in their search.  Another possibility is that aliens might have found
earth a while back, and have come back (or never left -- and no, I am
not a vonDanikenite).  Maybe sentient upright bipeds are unusual,
warranting further looks.  A long-lived race might just have the time
to "waste" prowling around the stars looking for intelligence.

	Why do we think that humans are so important that they deserve
	any alien's full attention?

... well, when we study another (less-technically-advanced) culture,
we typically don't send 250,000,000 people to study it, we only send a
few (or even 1).   Hell, maybe they would *like* watching us.  There's
no accounting for taste.  

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Aliens without souls
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:56:39 GMT



 Chris asks:

   ..Does this mean that the Greys don't have souls?

   ..But even if they don't have induvidual souls, they may be a similar
   organisation to an ant- or bee-colony, together functioning as a 
   single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul"

In his book*, Jesus avoids using the word "soul"  "because of its highly 
controversial nature", preferring to use "spirit" and "mind". But he *does* 
say that all life comes from God, implying something like Chris suggests, a 
"Group Soul", or "Group Spirit". This would mean that you can't *make* life 
from non-living material, you would have to start with a live cell and change 
it. But maybe you might be able to "put a soul into an empty container"?
Isn't that what happened to you, Tom (Repasky)?

* A Course In Miracles

(If you're going to bash my head in, please try to do it with humour. 
Thanks.) 

    																		
		Regards,    Paul

 P.S. for Chris:
Our Gateway has gone on the blink - don't know if you've received anything 
from me (yesterday or today)?


Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:59:03 GMT

jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:


>> 	My source for a lot of this is a book by Margaret Cheney -
>> "Tesla: Man out of Time".  I strongly encourage anyone to read this
>> book.

>Unfortunately, Cheney's book read (to me, anyway) as an exercise in
>unabashed hero worship. I personally don't believe all of the claims
>she made for Tesla. However, there are other (better) biographies of
>Tesla out there, and they do tend to back up the stories you mentioned
>in your post.

	Yes, I think you could say fairly that Cheney was fairly
pro-Tesla.  However, if you follow up on some of her sources (also used
in other biographies) you will find that (as you experienced) other
works do seem to back these things up....

Duane

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From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Organization: Floating Crud on the Pond
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:04:46 GMT
Distribution: alt

In article <Aug.25.20.34.25.1992.12842@dropout.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
>	kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:
>	Errr... what are you talking about?  What is this Roswell
>	Incident?  
>
>... Try to find a book called "UFO Crash at Roswell", by Kevin Randle
>and Donald Schmitt (Avon, 1991).  It gives a pretty good summary of
>the events known as "The Roswell Incident" (also, this is the title of
>the less-useful Berlitz and Moore book on the subject, published in
>1980.)

Can you give some details of the incident?  i.e. what crashed, where, when,
what supposedly happened after that, etc.?  What evidence is there to support
any related theories...

>	What did it have to do with Kennedy, and what is the original
>	source for its mentioning?  This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid
>	UFO wank again is it?
>
>The Kennedy/UFO thing comes, as far as I can tell, from John Lear,
>beginning in the mid-1980's.  Bill Cooper (also known in UFO circles)
>has put forth that JFK was shot by his driver (with a video to "prove"
>it, which is apparently a doctored version of the Zapruder film), but
>as far as I know hasn't 'connected' it to UFOs.

I've seen that film.  I think it's more a crappy copy than a doctored 
version... the gun turns out to be a reflection... certainly nothing
substantial.  


>
>Charles


-- 
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  "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
   Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet." - Montgomery Burns
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:00:22 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug31.184104.23889@engage.pko.dec.com>
stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes: 
[...]
>
>He very clearly said it was FICTION.   

If this is true, I sincerely apologize.

	RA

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:22:04 EDT
From: <JLS19@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject:    PSU UFO Discussion Group

Starting Sept.  14, 1992 at 7:00 pm and running through Dec.  7, 1992 there
will be a UFO Discussion Group meeting at 207 Sackett Building on the Penn
State University Campus.  Anyone wishing to attend, please do so!  This is
being sponsored by "FREE U", so there is no charge to the public and no
compensation for the teachers.

Any questions, please feel free to respond via email.

Janet
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:40:36 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <Bu0pzH.Hsq@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>>Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday.  You missed it.
>>And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman.
>
>Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns?

Hopefully in bed with another man just as the passage in Luke indicates :-)

>GOD speaks through children and the insane.

So I can conclude that anyone speaking for god is either insane or a child?
This really clears up alots of things :-)
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR Chain Letter
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:06:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu (Bill Ellis) writes:
	Anybody else get this chain letter or know anything about this
	bird?  (Is he Condor or Falcon?)

... yup, its "made the rounds" (on alt.alien.visitors, it was passed
on by Don Allen on 31 July, 1992).  It was supposed to have originated
by a "Cosmic Awareness" group in Washington State.  (The one that
begins, "THIS IS NO JOKE!", right?)  Well, we'll know for certain in
October, when "Stage 4" (public announcement of alien invasion) is
supposed to happen.

   BTW, "Stage 2" (more riots, mass shootings, conspiracy agents
masquerading as police, etc.) has only 5 days left to be carried out
"on schedule" -- it is listed as starting "in August".

Charles
From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:48:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Well, August is nearly over and I haven't heard of these widespread
race riots yet.

But there's still hope, the month still has a few days left.
-- 

Anson Kennedy                                                   anson@netcom.com
Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

"If you don't watch the violence,    \           "If I had been the Virgin Mary,
you'll never get desensitized to it."  \                I would have said 'No.'"
-Bart Simpson                            \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)
From: CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSYSPCN)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:53:05 GMT

In article <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz>, on 27 Aug 92 22:39:13 GMT,
ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:

>                                               What
>surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked
>him.

Truth is truth, regardless of the source.  His results were subject
to scientific scrutiny, were repeatable, and independently
verifiable.

What's to debunk?
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Fiction
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:04:03 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug27.201903.4797@news.mentorg.com>
tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes: 
[plot for a bad TV sci-fi series deleted]

Tom - the first post was OK.  The second one showed little
improvement.  But this one was really bad.  I'd keep my day job if I
were you.

>God.

Talk about conceited...and misinformed.  Everybody knows _I'm_ God :-).

	RA
From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: shared databases, in
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:57:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <714642841.F00002@csource.oz.au> Michael.Blackwell@f869.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Michael Blackwell) writes:
>Do you have any details of any research or books drawing the analogy
>between the current belief in "greys", UFOS, etc, to that of elves and
>other explinations of things that appear unexplainable?  There appears to
>be an antiscience theme to nearly all UFO abductions, and with the
>believers of such. I am interested in researching this.

Check out any of the books by Jacques Vallee.  You can probably find at
least one or two of them in your city library if you live in a large city.
His "Dimensions" is a brief history of folk-lore on elves and fairies which
is compared and contrasted with UFO reports.
-- 
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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR Chain Letter
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:49:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

All this, of course, assumes that Mr. Bush will be re-elected in November.
I understand that's not necessarily a given at this point.

Do the Grey's have an alternate plan, just in case??

bill

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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Spiritual growth
Keywords: Fasting
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:34:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Sep2.083437.23912@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
> OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went
That'll work...

>to fast. John the Baptist ate locusts in the desert. 
No matter how disgusting, eating locusts is NOT fasting.

Rick

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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: I'm outta here for the next week.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:28:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

So don't expect an email reply from me until Sept. 14 or later.

I'll be in Sedona, AZ, where I hope to live eventually. I will be taking a look
at the real estate, the surrounding area, the Vortexes and the red lights
people see around Bell Rock at night. Also gonna look for the black helecopters
and the underground base that Tom Dongo sez is near Boyntonn Canyon there. 

He also talks about an interdimensional enity that lives in the Canyon, and
lights that streak through on the way to Secret Canyou, behind it.
This canyon is sacred ground to the indians there for thousands of years,
and is the sight of a female energy vortex; one of several in the area.

The area has been the home of indians for as long as there were indians in
North America, and is considered by many to be "pickup spot" for the mother-ships
when the crap hits the fan, in the not so distant future. Who knows? But at least
they don't have earth quakes several times a year, and hurricans are unheard of.Maybe the occasional monsoon, that's about it in the natural disaster dept.
I'm taking some fast film, a telephoto lens and a rich-field telescope, so 
I think I have a good chance of seeing/finding some of this stuff, since I
will be camping and looking at the sky quit a bit...

MIB's, helecopters that turn into disks mid-flight, red-lights, interdimensional
entities, underground bases; it's all there in an area of about 100 square miles.   
If I don't come back, don't send a search party. The greys got me.
Just kidding, no flames please. 

Later,
Jeff-
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien in a bar.
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:35:55 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
>
>  A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman
>claiming to be an alien.



Could have been a Mugwump?








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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:23:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes:

>anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>>Well, August is nearly over and I haven't heard of these widespread
>>race riots yet.

>Well there are the neo-facists in Germany.

Yes, but the letter specifically stated the riots would be in US cities.

Another prediction fails.
-- 

Anson Kennedy                                                   anson@netcom.com
Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

"If you don't watch the violence,    \           "If I had been the Virgin Mary,
you'll never get desensitized to it."  \                I would have said 'No.'"
-Bart Simpson                            \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 01:14:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Keywords:  Conspiracy, Aliens, Greys
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

To all of you who feel that aliens are trying to introduce themselves
to us via subtle means.

I was lookint a new issue of a high quality photography magazine dealing
with studio setups, etc., when I saw near the front of the magazine an
advertisement for, of all things, American Express. In the ad there was
a supposed picture of a alien being (large almond shaped eyes, etc.)
holding up an American Express card. This looks like more _evidence_ of
introduction and preperation for you folks.

======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:19:23 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64422@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
[An awful lot of silliness deleted]
>     Hatton says this could all happen on July 25, l992 to the end of July 
>     1992.  That's all for now. John F. Winston.

Guess Hatonn blew it.  Like I'm really surprised.

	RA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:27:22 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1-an1-g.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

>I have a document signed by the clone of my former case manager in
>Tallahassee.  On the same document is anothr signature of his.  You can
>tell the two signatures were NOT written by the same hand.

Let's conduct a little experiment shall we Gary?  Get a piece of paper and
a pen and write your signature on it twice.  First with the pen in your right
hand, and second with the pen in your left hand.  I bet you that it will be
obvious to anyone that the two signatures weren't written by the same hand.

:-)

>The proof is shortcoming...

I'm waiting ...

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
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