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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: What's up in Cali.?
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:07:44 GMT

 Has anyone seen any of the Loyola-Marymount Summer League games (I think
 that's what it's called)? I'm pretty sure the Bucks have only lost once,
 but I was wondering how the players looked. 

 They had a scrimmage a couple weeks ago at the Bradley Center and looked
 okay. Day, Edwards Mayberry and Murdock all played well. I'd especially
 like to know how Anthony Avent and Alaa Abdelnaaby (could they be called
 the double A connection?) are doing. 

 Considering that the Bucks did even lose once is kind of a scary thought
 since the team they have out there won't be much different from the team
 they'll have in Milwaukee in a couple months.
 BTW, to the poster of it, thanks for the stats and such from the Rocky
 Mountain League!

 --Salty
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic hoops referees
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:15:39 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <l7g5qtINNhkp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.142243.14722@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>>
>>I'm sure you would be stupid enough to pay $40 a game to see
>>Jordan/Bird/Magic and all the other superstars sitting on the bench
>>after the ref treated them like Rick Fox, or Stanley Robberts.
>>I'm sure you would shell out $1600+ a year to see the tenth and
>>12th men playing 20+ minutes a game, because the ref called some
>>petty calls on the stars.
>
>A foul is a foul is a foul, no matter if a player is a superstar or
>a rookie.  Are you saying that it is fair for a referee not to call
>a foul on a superstar just because he should not foul out, so that
>you can get your money worth?  This is BS.  Basketball is a sport
>first and entertainment second.  There are rules in sports, and rules
>should not be bent because of your $40 a game.

I guess that is why their is  no shot clock and they are playing
zone in the NBA.  Pickup ball is sport.  NBA ball is entertainment. 
If you can't bring in the fans there is no NBA ball.

>I was complaining about Barkely's sportsmanship, or rather lack of
>sportmanship.  I was suggesting that Daly bench Barkley for lack of
>sportamanship reasons.  Laettner has been rather productive -- look
>at his stats taking into consideration his very few minutes -- so I
>think he deserves more PT.  I did not say that Laettner is more talented
>than Barkley.

I'd prefer to watch the game than look at meaningless stats.  What I
see when Laettner is on the floor is that he passes everything but
sure shots (wide open, or layups).

>
>Ohhh, Gary Duhaney, this is indeed a mighty low blow.  Using the same
>logic and reasoning as yours, one can  conclude that all Northeastern
>students are illiterate.  I ain't gonna do it because I know it is not
>true; furthermore, I have more class than that.

I'm not a student, so you may be right on that:-)
From: vijayan@stokes.ae.utexas.edu (Vijayan P.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:06:12 GMT
	<1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
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Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin
In-reply-to: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 21:11:24 GMT


CNN reported that about 100,000 people have
ordered for the NBC Olympic Triplecast.
When NBC came up with this brainwave, they expected that
about 2-3 million requests would be received.
They are currently facing a mammoth $150 million loss
in this venture. The news report however mentioned that
optimists in the NBC circles are hoping that the
no.of people ordering the triplecast might reach the
1,000,000 mark during the course of the games as
statistics show that most of the PPV orders are made
usually at the last miniute.
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Enough
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.222834.28103@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>well, the LA example i brought up could be a start: a "phantom" 3 by magic,
>in the Boston Garden, to win at the buzzer, possible only by a "phantom"
>timeout they got with 2-ish seconds left with the ball in McHale's paws.

So that wasn't a start.

1) The bogus call was called with 2-ish seconds left. If you want to count
   bogus calls with N seconds left in the game, there should be a recount for
   Boston, including when the score was tied, the phantom foul on 
   Danny Boy that put him on the line to give the Celtics a 1-point lead 
   (he missed his 2nd FT).

2) It wasn't a phantom 3. Celtics led by 1, Magic banged in a 2-pointer.

Even if (notice the hypothesis) that's a start, you still only get ONE.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers)
Subject: Re: Here is the UPI article (was Re: Dennis Rodman)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:49:42 GMT

In article <BruzD0.2IC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:

[ Stuff about Rodman deleted ]

|> By the way:  Anyone know anything about Delany Rudd's future with Utah?
|> I heard a rumor they were going to drop him...
|> Anyone confirm?
|>
|> Scott

In June the Jazz announced that they had elected not to pick up the
option on Delaney's contract.  It was probably because they had the
trade for Humphries in the works.  Anyway, Delaney has had offers to
go to Italy or Spain, but he is currently on the Houston Rockets team
at the Rocky Mountain Revue, and I also heard last night that he has
been asked to the San Antonio camp.  He also said he's been talking to
several teams, but as of Monday, Houston was sounding the most promising.

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu ()
Subject: Re:  Laimbeer vs Parish
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:08:25 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

>>McHale (on offense) would actually lean on Laimbeer, and Laimbeer would
>>step aside and McHale would fall on the ground. Foul on Laimbeer!
>>The refs caught on though, and eventually it would be a no-call....
>>Then Laimbeer would go lean on Parish and Parish would step aside
>>sending Laimbeer to the ground......great games they were!
>
>Wow, that does sound exciting!  I'd pay money to see that!
>

There is a lot more to basketball than just scoring. The reason that the
Pistons and Celtics were so good the last ten years is because they
used tactics like the above scenario to take other teams mentally out
of the game. Very effective and very entertaining to watch......

I'd rather see a Boston-Piston game than a Golden State-La Lakers game 
simply because there is more body play...more defense...more picks...
etc.....I appreciate some of the finer details in the game. I am not
down-playing Golden States and LAs success. I am not implying that
they don't use picks...play defense...etc.....just that Boston and
Detroit do it better.....

					Marty
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:08:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <22903@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Which spoke louder, Laettner's foot or Barkley's elbow?
>
>
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Which one occured during the Olympics (an event that get's a incredible
amount of international media attention) as opposed to the NCAA championship
game (gets mostly national coverage).  Since it gets only national
coverage, its unlikely that the national media is going to make as
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:49:26 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <84972@netnews.upenn.edu> jnimerof@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Jeff Nimeroff) writes:
>	Do we wear Reebok outfits when we win the gold medal when we are under >contract with Nike? >

Although I understand why this upsets people, I think that maybe there is a
legitimate reason for such concerns.

These players are being paid alot of money by Nike to wear Nike products
exclusively. Wearing Reebok is probably technically violating their contract,
and its probably grounds for Nike to void the deal and stop paying the
players. Just because Reebok is the official sponsor of the "dream team"
doesn't mean that members of the team should be forced to potentially 
lose endorsement contracts.

Barkley when asked why he wanted to wear Nike and not Reebok said, "because
Nike pays me a lot money to wear their products". I think thats a valid
reason to object.




Russ Smith
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From: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dr. J dunk
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:09:38 GMT
Reply-To: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.basketball.pro, s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson) writes:
>Just on the Dunk thread,
>
>I was watchng the US v Angola game on Australian TV and the commentator was
>saying that Drexler once dunked an 11 foot 2 inch high hoop. In a dunk comp.
>Is this true??
>If so, why did they do this , isn't the ring height 10 foot??
>
>Paul
>Australia


This type of a dunk contest was one to see how high the rim could go
before the athletes couldn't dunk.  All the dunkers would take turns
at each height, and then the rim would be raised a bit.  I have heard
of 12 foot dunks in competitions like these (though I couldn't prove
it to you).  Hope this helps.



-- Ted Findler
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From: rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick)
Subject: Re: Dream team III
Organization: Packaging/Interconnect, M.C.C.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:14:58 GMT

I say send the '72 olympic team back for one more try. If they
couldn't all make it fill spots with Jordan, Robinson, etc.

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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:48:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na
Summary: Centers

In article <1992Jul21.162520.7642@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
> 
> My take on "average centers" is that they are worse than average
> players.  You see, only about half of the 27 NBA teams have a
> reasonable starting center, with either a good present, past or
> future.  The rest play bozos, stiffs and overgrown forwards.
> 
> So (and this is my theory) if you try to rank the 27 starting centers,
> or center combinations, you run out of quality about halfway through.
> Here's how I see it:
>

Interesting set of ratings. You have the tiers about right,
but the grades -- with one exception -- tend to be too high.
For example, I can't see assigning *any* A+'s; after all, all 
three of the A+'s have some weaknesses in their games. (For  
example, Ewing could be a better rebounder and sometimes gets
caught up in his outside shot. Hakeem's shot selection isn't
always what it could be, and Robinson could be a much better
free throw shooter.)

Other comments embedded.

> team		center(s)		grade/comments
> ----		---------		--------------
> Atlanta	Rasmussen/Koncak	C  (Willis, a PF, was main man)

This is generous. If there's an "F" in the bunch, it's right here.

I still like this guy, but he's banged up and can't score or
get up and down the floor like he used to. B/B+                    


> CharlotteGattison		C  (Larry Johnson helped a lot)
> Chicago		Cartwright		B
Bill Cartwright is as good as Pervis Ellison and better than
Mark Eaton and Benoit Benjamin? C+      

> Cleveland	Daugherty		A
> Dallas		Davis			D  (what did he do?)

I believe that Terry averaged close to 10 boards a game.
That alone should give him a C.
> Philadelphia	Shackleford/Bol		D

F.

> Portland	Duckworth		B

Comes nowhere near exploiting his full ability. C 

> 
> This works out to: 6 A's, 8 B's, 7 C's, 6 D's. 

My spread works out to 5/6/8/6/2. Doesn't really change
your fundamental conclusion (below).

i> If I'm somewhat close
> to the truth, then the starting center of an "average" NBA team is
> something along the lines of Andrew Lang/Sam Bowie/Bill Cartwright/
> Vlade Divac.  That is, a guy with limited skills and inconsistent
> performance.  Someone with a potential for playing very well in one
> game, and disappearing in the next two or three.
> 

Paul
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From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:36:35 -0500
Followup-To: jafarr@acpub.duke.edu
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <4127@news.duke.edu>, jafarr@north4.acpub.duke.edu (Jeff) writes:
> Emil Thomas Chuck metioned that Petrovic was held scoreless in the 
> second half, and that he was guarded by Jordan.  Actually, he was
> guarded by a combination of Jordan and Pippen, who probably "wanted to send
> a message" to their potential new teammate, as Marv put it.
> 
> Jeff
> Duke University
> "It's gonna be sweet to threepeat.  Just gotta make it through football season."

If 20 people can respond that Rex Chapman is no longer a Hornet, then I think
we should get at least three times that to respond to a Dookie.  Kukoc is the
possible Chicago Bull not Drazen Petrovich (Nets).

Let the corrections begin!

BBB
From: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


I was suprised that this didn't make the net when I came in to work this
morning! Our feed is probably down again! Anyway the Mavs have made a 5 year
contract offer to Stanley Roberts of the Magic.  Since he is a restricted 
free agent, the Magic have 15 days to match the offer.  Details not 
disclosed.  ?: Can the Magic sign Roberts and Shaq and stay under the cap
or will they have to cut several players.  I am sure the Magic will try
to sign Roberts and then trade him at least.  He obviously has some good
market value.  To get nothing for him would be a crime!!!

Chris Hanley
From: shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bernard King
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:53:31 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center


Does anybody know what the status of Bernard King is?

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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Summary: NBA Jerk
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:44:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah

In article <1992Jul31.125516.12395@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>That is your perception of Barkley's open court game based on seeing him
>play in the Olympics.  Why should he do anything different?  Nobody can
>stop him so he's going to take it to the hoop.  Exactly what you are. . . 

[Lot of blathering Charles Barkley worship deleted.]

>Joe Dakes
>Allentown, PA  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The upshot of this argument is, You are in PA, I am in UT, and there's 
nothing I can say that would make you change your opinion of Barkley. I 
guess all of the other players on the DT and around the NBA are pretty much 
sub-human slime, unworthy of licking the sweat from Sir Charles' feet. 
	Unfortunately Utah is the smallest NBA market in the country, and as 
such we get either little attention, or negative attention. I guarantee you 
if Karl Malone or John Stockton played somewhere like New York or Chicago 
they would be superstars almost the equal of his holiness Michael. (Or 
Charles.) 
	Here's the NBA's biggest nightmare: Utah vs. Cleveland in the NBA 
finals. Two of the smaller markets (Cleveland is small for the EC) and very 
little national TV audience interest. 
	Am I sorry I'm a Utah fan? No. Do I dislike other players in the 
league as much as I dislike Barkley? No, I rather like some of them, I'm a 
great Larry Bird fan, I love David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing; so why do I 
dislike Barkley so much? Because of his loud mouth, and poor attitude, and 
rabid fans like Joe Dakes who put everyone else down when they don't fall 
over and worship the NBA star of their choice.
	There's no way Phoenix will win the NBA championship this year, 
although I don't discount the possibility it will occur in the near future. 
Teams don't just become champions overnight. They'll make their presence 
known in the west, but they just won't have the chemistry to win it. 
	Another point about Phoenix: Danny Ainge is old, and hasn't started 
in years. He's a super-sub, but Phoenix will ask him to do too much. I don't 
think he'll be a factor, and he's no replacement for Hornacek.
	Phoenix also faces a distinct problem area at center. Oh, and Tom 
Chambers is over-rated. Charles should be calling him a stiff in no time.

Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.032619.4600@midway.uchicago.edu> hh15@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Team USA beat Croatia 102:70, the narrowest margin so far for the
>dream team.  And the game may be closer than the final score showed,
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nah, see below...

>IMHO. Best players on the USA side: MJ and Barkley. MJ had 21 points
>playing for most of the time at PG position, Barkley added 20 points
>with many great plays. CL had 9 points.  Magic left the game early in
>the first half because of some injury on his knee.  Pippen and MJ held
>Toni Kukoc at 4 points with 2 for 11 field goal/attempts -- clearly
>sending him a message -- but Kukoc had some sensational passes though.
>Seems he always thought about pass first.  Petrovic had 17 points (I
>believe), 15 in the first half.  Radja (sp?)  played very
>impressively.  Malone was almost invisible today.  The Glide had a
>couple of beautiful dunks plus a 18 footer.  Mullin had an off day, so
					      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>did Ewing.  Pippen was terrible on offensive side, but did a
>reseanable job on the defensive end.  Robinson played pretty good D.
>In the after game press conference, MJ criticized some team USA
>players for not playing up to what they have learned to play without
>mentioning the names.

Mullin was joined by his teammates...

That says it all.  Faced with the first team which forced them to do anything
other than dunk in transition, tDT took some poor quick shots.  None of them
can really say they played a stellar game. The closest thing that tDT will ever
see to pre-game pressure was on -- this was the "number two team" in Croatia;
their big challenge.  tDT missed several free throws.  A lot of the guys were
in early (minor) foul trouble.  Magic left early in the game, hence no true
point guard was available for the duration.  Poor shot selection, letdown after
the first easy blowout, Petrovic on fire (for a while), blah, blah, blah...

THEY STILL WON BY 33.  THE GAME WAS *NEVER* IN DOUBT.  CHARLES ONLY HAD 1 T!!!

My point: (probably a confusing post if I needed to state it here, but too bad)

The game was not close.

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trades & Triplecast
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:29:51 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Jul24.132813.13870@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>As stated in another article, Stanly Roberts received a HUGE offer from 
>the Mavericks.  What wasn't stated is that Roberts agreed because Dallas
>offered a one year NO TRADE clause to prevent Dallas from getting Roberts 
>then using him for better players.  This SERIOUSLY hurts the Bulls because
>the Bull were going to trade King for Harper.  Now, Dallas is looking at 
>the Knicks for a Jackson/Harper trade (FU*K!!!) and elsewhere.  On the bright
>side, the Bulls have been talking seriously to Gerald Wilkins as a 
>backup shooting guard and for defensive purposes.  This would be a huge 
>piece filled.  Also, Krause is still talking to Kukoc.  He made a trip there
>recently and seemed optomistic.  If anyone else heres Bulls news, please
>post or email to me.  You can be Bulls-biased, because I am....

Where did you get this info.  I usually watch CNN Sports and read USA
Today regularly and haven't seen a word out of Chicago in weeks.

I knew (from the net) that they were considering picking up Harper, but
am amazed that a point guard from the Bulls wasn't involved in the 
possible trade.  I am disappointed they might not get Harper, but I
do like the other possibility that you mentioned.

Gerald Wilkins on the Bulls.  *That* would be a dream come true.  While 
he's not nearly in the Jordan/Pippen league, he would make a great 3rd
for their rotation.  IMHO, the Bulls desparately need someone to help out
Scottie and Jordan at 2/3 and Wilkins (with his athletic ability) would
seem like a more than reasonable sub for these guys.

Of course, Kukoc would fit nicely also, but I have yet to hold my breath
for that.  I thought he had one more year in Europe before he could exercise
his option to leave for Chicago (would be nice though!!!).

Still leaves a question mark for the Bulls at center, but I'm sure 
Cartwright could last another year (he's made it this far...).  And then
maybe we could trade for a good position in the draft and get Eric Montross
out of UNC the year after next!!! (is my bias showing through?)

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