From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: Ways to respond to criticism of men
Followup-To: alt.feminism
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<ATAYLOR.92Sep1152443@gauss.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Sep2.035857.3204@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:02:16 GMT

<In article <1992Sep2.035857.3204@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
<In article <ATAYLOR.92Sep1152443@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
<><In article <1992Sep1.060249.8502@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
<>
<><One of the question men face in dealing with feminism is how to
<><respond to criticism of men as a group.
<>
<>	Somehow, I was struck by this paragraph...let's
<>	play a little word substitution....
<>
<>        "One of the questions Jews face in dealing with Nazis is how
<>	to respond to criticism of Jews as a group".
<>
<>	Educational, no?

<   Considering the relative power balance; I'm not sure if this is the 
<   correct analogy.  

	*Which* relative power balance? The power balance between
	Joe Sixpack and Andrea Dworkin? J. Sixpack hasn't nearly
	as much power as A. Dworkin; I daresay he's never gotten
	laws passed and/or changed, for example.


	Lunde has produced one of the shibboliths of "feminism"; 
	that all men are equally powerful.
	It should be obvious that this isn't the case, yet it
	must be pointed out over and over again.

	There *are* women who are individually more powerful
	than many individual men. Not as many as some would
	claim that there should be, but many more than 20 
	years ago.

	I confess to having a preference for individual - based
	analysis/thought over class-based. Perhaps I studied
	too many Marxists in school a while back, and saw what
	class-based thought often leads to.
	

<When feminists goon squads start rounding up men
<and putting them in concentration camps, I will conceed you are on target.

	In the event that happens (and note that it's not nearly
	as droll a joke as in, say, 1976) I doubt Lunde will
	be posting to Internet at all.....more likely he'll
	be re-reading the "Thoughts of Chairperson Dworkin" 
	and engaging in self-criticism...


<   However, this is likely just one of the laws of USENET (from Tom L.?)
<   "all USENET debates eventually involve comparison to Hitler" in operation
<   - this is entropy in action folks...
	
	Sigh. I should know better by now.

	Ok, my mistake. I'll rewrite it:


	"One of the questions small farmers face in dealing 
	 with Bolsheviks is how to respond to criticisms of
	 'kulaks' as a group".

	The analogy is much better. Indeed, a comparison
	the writings of Lenin after the 1905 revolt and 
	Dworkin or MacKinnon might be a useful exercise....


<[...serious reasoned response deleted since it illustrates what I'm
<saying rather than being in real disagreement...]

	;)

	Tish, tish. What is this group coming to? It's not
	at all unusual to delete reasoned response (serious
	or not) on Internet, but to ADMIT to it....?

	
	;)


<><I sometimes wonder if we should number our responses to save bandwidth ;)
<>
<>	On an ALT group? 

<We could call it the Frequently Questioned Answers List...

	I have the suspicion that Lunde is leading up to 
	the old joke about comedians who know every joke
	in the world......


	"Number 137...."
	Get it?


	Oh, well, some days one just cannot tell a joke well.

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