HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Why Clinton
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:47:42 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <1449@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
> Since Mr. K. Ryan has kindly re-posted his informative material
> on Georgie Bush's atheist remarks, fulfilling Casper the Phriendly
> Phantom's request to have his short-term memory backed up, I will
> ONCE AGAIN pose the the questions the Limbots have been dodging:
> 
> 1) If George Bush was not suggesting that atheists are in some way
> inferior U.S. citizens, and perhaps should not be considered
> citizens at all, then WHAT WAS he saying?  What sort of code was he
> using?
>
Ok, so what if GB goes on national TV today and states that all atheists
are fuckers and should be shit on sight, what are you going to do about
it?  fire him.

Everybody has a right to their own opinion.  If he really wanted to collect
all the passports from athiests and throw them out of the country, he had
a good few years to get it done.  Why do you think he didn't do it?

PS: I'm happy to find that nobody has flamed my .sig (yet).

PPS: Shut up.

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From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Why Clinton
Keywords: Bush, arsewipe, dictator
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:13:38 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <1449@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Arch-Angel Anderson) writes:
>
> Since Mr. K. Ryan has kindly re-posted his informative material
> on Georgie Bush's atheist remarks, fulfilling Casper the Phriendly
> Phantom's request to have his short-term memory backed up, I will
> ONCE AGAIN pose the the questions the Limbots have been dodging:
> 
>  [ Belch ]
>
What the HELL does it matter arsewipe.  George Bush is no more.
You have a new dictator now.  Go and pick some holes in him, dickcheese.

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Newsgroups: alt.flame,rec.humor
From: weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett)
Subject: Re: Where's K e n?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:48:21 GMT

In article <By10uo.6F1@cs.psu.edu> krobinso@apricot.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
>In article <lefty-191192131019@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>>In article <Bxxyzu.KFE@cs.psu.edu>, krobinso@yellow.crayola.cs.psu.edu
>>(Kenneth J Robinson) wrote:
>>> 
>>> K e n always has information handy whenever it is required...
>>
>>Say, F'Ken, I need to know the value of Planck's constant in the
>>furlong/fortnight/hundredweight system.  D'you have _that_ handy?
>
>The information for which you have requested is irrelevant, thus K e n
>does not have it handy. Your request has been denied.
>
>K e n   R o b i n s o n
	Is K e n saying he won't inform us? The world must be coming to an 
end.

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Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: A Handy Chart
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.215308.17492@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> 
> Hey, I bet you, like me, have trouble telling troll and phantom apart.
> So, maybe this little guide will help:
> 
> 
>                        Troll               Phantom
> 
> Stupid Nickname          x                     x
> Vile Odor                x                     x
> Post from pathetic
> little 'universities'    x                     x
> Posts filled with
> stupidity                x                     x
> Raging egomaniac         x                     x
> Not worth reading        x                     x
> 
> Well, that oughta straighten things out......

Oh Robbie. Ouch. Such scathing wit. How do you do it? Coming from a man who
vacillates on whether or not to include "Music Library" in his .sig, gee that
really cuts to the bone. Speaking of bone, Robbie, and before you salvicate at
this phallic reference, you seem to have a fettish for the penis, and any
action thereof. Rob... do you have a little Sir Richard? You certainly like to
talk about everyone else's. In particular, fido's, Robbie little "wonder
pooch". How cute indeed.

--The Phantom
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Life, Re:Sex and Robert Blue
From: blue@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:24:54 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

to all of my fans(sic), love the show.  I Like SEX.  I like Oxygen.  People,
use your air while we still havesome. Break free from your terminal and run
barefoot through the grass, and glass it is all the same.
     Just learning how to use this computer, tis somewhat enjoyable 
    I need help,  why is it important to be moral and just?
    Answer me,  Richard Robert "Rhubarb" Blue, esq.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: halazar@media.mit.edu (Michael Halle)
Subject: Re: Holography NOT from real object
Reply-To: mhalle@media.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:58:01 GMT


Okay, how many "pixels" would you trace?

Off-axis display hologram has fringes of ~ 1000line pairs/mm -> 2000pixels/mm
2000^2 -> 4x10^6 pixels/mm^2

small hologram is 30x30mm = ~1000mm^2  (pretty unsatisfyingly small, too)

total = ~ 4x10^9 pixels = ~ 4000 high res raster images

Now, how would you write those pixels Remember the pixel size is ~0.5
microns.  That's wavelength of light sized.  It's also a whole lot of
them to write.


There are ways to compute holograms directly, but it requires
significant information reduction (sampled parallax, horizontal
parallax only, restricted field of view) or a simplified object model
(holographic lenses, objects with small number of points).

Almost all synthetic display holography is done by computing
"conventional" perspective views of the object and relying on
interference processes to "optically compute" the complicated
holographic fringe structure.  

					Michael Halle
					Spatial Imaging Group
					MIT Media Lab
					mhalle@media.mit.edu
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From: watman@atrium1.Gwinnett.COM (William A. Tolhurst)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Request for Human Skeleton
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:05:37 EST
Organization: Applied Technology & Research, Lawrenceville, GA, USA

weisen@daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld) writes:

> In article 11099@informix.com, proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
> > 
> > Does my memory deceived me, or is it not the case that some place
> > like Colorado they are digitizing a complete human body by actually
> > cutting it into very thin slices (like 0.1 mm or something) and
> > scanning each one optically? Presumably it must have been treated
> > in some way to induce a kind of ultra rigor mortis ...
> > 
> > These seems like a wonderfully macabre project, and I'd be interested
> > if anyone has more information about it.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> Sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person, but I missed the
> original post.
> 
> I remember reading about this a while ago.  I think it was early to
> mid-80's in some geek magazine like Popular Science.  They were just
> doing an arm then and they were slicing it with a normal deli slicer.
> I think that the ultra rigor mortis was called frozen :-).  They were
> taking pictures of the slices, circling the important structures with
> colored markers, and scanning the pictures in.  I guess that color
> scanner resolution wasn't that hot back then.
> 
> I'm glad to hear that someone has moved on to the rest of the body, but
> the thought of slicing certain things makes me squeamish.
> 
> 
> --Neil
> 

I have heard of an effort called the "Visible Human" project, sponsored
I believe by the National Library of Medicine.  The objective is to
acquire a "normal" male and "normal" female cadaver, freezing or
otherwise preserving them, and digitizing slices at 1/2 mm intervals, and
from that create a 3D database for each.

Apparently one of the biggest problems is finding bodies which are
"normal".  That is:

   Caused of death was not due to some pathology (cancer, etc).

   Cause of death was not due to trauma (gun/knife wound, etc).

   Cause of death was not old age.

I dunno, maybe a couple who died of CO poisioning?

BTW, I don't know what this project would use, but it is common to use
something like a deli slicer or a planer/joiner to do the sectioning.
They don't really "section" the body, rather its more like grinding away a
layer & digitizing that view.  Try not to think of that next time you
go to Arbys. :^*

If anyone else has more info, please post.

WATman

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Subject: Re: 3D Studio -> POVRay?
Keywords: POVRay, 3DStudio
Organization: a2i network
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:52:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.114710.22862@jyu.fi> oik@jyu.fi (Otto Ilmari Kopra) 
writes:

>Is there an utility to convert 3DStudio files to Persistence OF
>Vision Raytracer, or to any other public domain raytracer (Rayshade, 
Radiance,

   Yes, you can find it by an anonymous FTP to either 'rahul.net' in the 
'/pub/jonathan' direectory.  And I forget exactly where I put it, but the 
directory names are fairly easy to follow.  Otherwise you should be able to 
find it on either 'sunee.uwaterloo.ca' or 'wuarchive.wustl.edu'
 

 
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: RDS FTP Sites
Summary: Are there RDS FTP Sites?
Keywords: RDS FTP
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:34:00 GMT

Can anyone tell me if/where there are any RDS FTP sites?  Preferably
with Postscript pictures in them?

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: y1@wilbur.psu.edu (Zhaohui Yang)
Subject: Wanted: 3d plot program for 8-bit raw image (msdos)
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 10:41:25 GMT

Hi, netters,

Not sure if this is the right group so apologize if I am wrong.

The question is:  In my lab we got a lot of 8-bit raw images and need 
to plot them in 3d.  In the past we upload it to the mainframe and use
the program there to plot it, and recently we got a laser printer so
we consider to do it on the PC.  I checked many anon ftp site but can
not find a proper program to plot a 8-bit image in 3d. 

I can do it by convert a 8-bit image into 3 column ascii text but it 
takes a lot of disk space and ploting is very time consuming using the 
3dplot program for small data set (20 vs. 256*256)  Can someone give
me some clue on a 3d plot program plotting images?  or someone can
tell me how to write one in C or Fortran.

Thanks in advance.

Yang
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jew5001@venus.tamu.edu (WILLIAMSON, JOHN EDWARD)
Subject: Human Body/Slices
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:14:00 GMT

A friend of mine spent her Xmas break two years ago slicing a cadeaver
literally from head to toe into several hundred cross section slices.
This was done for a text book on radiology, because there is a dire need
to be able to correlate the MRI/CT type scans with the actual body
as not everything is picked up.  In this book there are four views
of each slice.  The actual slice of the body, and three electronic
slices from MRI/CT scans (these were taken before the body was
physcially sliced).

Check out a good medical library for a copy.

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From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.cad,osu.mac,osu.graphics
Subject: Re: How to mail PICT images over internet??
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:25:59 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In response to a question about sending Macintosh files,
beck@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de writes:
>Normally, for binary transfers, FTP should be used. If you only have mail:
>UUencode them. Mail them. UUdecode them. done.

Unfortunately, that will lose the resource fork and the Finder information
of the file.
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Robert Blue and Sex
From: blue@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:17:02 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University


who cares about holograms, I like sex. like it....I love it
Rob
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: Holography NOT from real object
Reply-To: beck@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:27 GMT


>On the contrary, it is available to the average Joe.  I don't know how
>many people I've pointed to this article, but check out
>"Computer-Generated Holographic Images" by Dale Nassar in Issue 14
>(April/May '90) of _Circuit Cellar INK_.  It presents examples of
>simple holograms that are PLOTTED ON THE SCREEN and PHOTOGRAPHED and
>then viewed as full holograms.  The example programs are in QuickBASIC
>for a PC; one of the examples takes 12 hours to plot on a 320x240 VGA
>screen on a 286/12MHz with 287 math chip.  Considering as most people
>that want to do 3D have 386's with 387's or 486's...  Also, you might
>want to check out "Letters to the Editor" and "ConnecTime" in Issue 16
>(Aug/Sep '90) of the same magazine... more info in there.  I hope I've
>helped.

Holography from 320x240 Dots ????

Really ??????

Do you believe it ? The fact that it comes from an APRIL issue hits
into my eye.

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jem21176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon E. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Holography NOT from real object
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:15:12 GMT

>Since the physics of holography are known, why can't one compute a hologram?
>In principle, it shouldn't be much more difficult than ray-tracing. Comments 
>appreciated ... 
> 
>Joe Burch                         jbb@virginia.edu
>ITC-ACS 
>University of Virginia

You could, but you have to consider computation time, and it is more
difficult than ray tracing, you need to calculate the field of the
interference pattern at the hologram plane.  Also, when you print out
the result, it's easy to get enough resolution, just make it bigger.
Reducing it to a size that's comparable to a visible wavelength is
another problem altogether.  Some use e-beam lithography to accomplish
this, but that gets expensive.  So it's not around the corner for the
average Joe, but many people at universities and research labs are doing
it, cause they have more $$ than individuals.

jon meyer
univ. of illinois
From: gk1@acpub.duke.edu (Gavin  Kistner)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Site for StrataVision 3d Models?
Summary: Is there an ftp site for these?
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:38:00 GMT
Followup-To: gk1@acpub.duke.edu

If someone knows of an ftp site which carries PD StrataVision 3d (mac
program) models, would they please e-mail it to me?

(Or, if it might be of general interest, post it...but you knew that :)

- Gavin Kistner      I saw a squirrel run by with a slice of pizza yesterday.
gk1@acpub.duke.edu     I swear.  It was pepperoni.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: elan@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Subject: Wanted :: SEGA 3D Glasses
Reply-To: elan@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:14:34 GMT


Help!  Does anyone know of where I can get a pair of 3D glasses???
My friend and I would really like a pair to play around with.
We tried 1-800-SEGA-USA but they were out.  Anyone have a pair that
they're not using anymore, or know of a place where we can mail order
them?  Thanks in advance,

Elan Feingold
Kris Cibulskis

P.S. Please e-mail back to elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu.  thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: djb@bambam (David J. Braunegg)
Subject: 3D plot program needed
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:15:58 GMT


I need a program to plot a 3D surface.  What I want to produce is a
mesh from data of the form (x, y, height).  I've seen this sort of
data in many papers, so I am hoping that there is a public domain
program available, but I'll settle for a commercial product.

It must run on a Sparcstation platform.  C or C++ is the preferred
language.  Output to the screen is needed, but an additional output to
a PostScript file would be nice.

Thank you for any help you can offer.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: reno@cps.msu.edu (Gerald L Jr Reno)
Subject: Re: technical help needed!
Originator: reno@arctic.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: reno@cps.msu.edu (Gerald L Jr Reno)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:44:52 GMT

In article <dietzel.721718082@eola.cs.ucf.edu> dietzel@cs.ucf.edu (Richard Dietzel) writes:
>
>Path: eola.cs.ucf.edu!dietzel
>Hello,
>
>My question is this.  If I download a 2-D GIF file for viewing,
>is there a way for me to determine what the z-coordinates are at
>each point,

No.


>            translate them, then display two images, one in red,
>and the other in green?  Or is there a good trick to simulate 3-D
>images from a 2-D diagram? 

You might try selecting and translating the foreground by hand,
but it seems to me that that would be far too much work. Edge
detectors are always handy when it comes to this sort of thing.
By all means, post any results you get, though.

Jerry Reno reno@cps.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.cad,osu.mac,osu.graphics
From: mparanan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Muralidhar Paranandi)
Subject: How to mail PICT images over internet??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:55:28 GMT

Hi:

I am not sure if this is the right news group to post this question.
I want to know how to send and recieve PICT images created by Macintosh
programs such as CANVAS 3.0 over internet.  Any suggestions, pointers
will be greately appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-M
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From: elvey-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Elvey)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Request for Human Skeleton
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:25:53 -0500
Organization: Yale U.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: python.zoo2.cs.yale.edu


I was touring the Yale Med School Anthropology dept, and saw a macintosh running
a Hypercard stack (I think) with pictures of someone's chest (full color
digitized) in very thin slices. I have no more info.
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: oik@jyu.fi (Otto Ilmari Kopra)
Subject: 3D Studio -> POVRay?
Keywords: POVRay, 3DStudio
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:47:10 GMT


	Is there an utility to convert 3DStudio files to Persistence OF
Vision Raytracer, or to any other public domain raytracer (Rayshade, Radiance,
etc.)? Where one could find it?

- Otto I. Kopra
oik@jyu.fi
From: andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: LCD glasses for SGI machine?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

Hello,
   My department at UCSC is thinking of buying LCD stereo pair glasses,
   to be used with/on a Sillicon Graphics machine (VGX? soon a Reality
   Engine)... does anyone have any advice on what to look for, what to
   avoid and who makes such devices?

   Thanks,
      Andy

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