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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paula Abdul Jabbar)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:11:40 GMT

I'd really like to hear more from the teens who read this board.  I have
recently come to the stunning realization that those for and against
"education" and "access" are fighting a fairly useless battle..at least
based on what I've seen in the Palo Alto school system [and let me tell you
that the education here is quite possibly on the over-kill end, the kids
have been having "health" ed, always including sex, stds and
contraception, since 6th grade on a yearly basis, and it goes on ad
infinitum through high school].

According to my daughter (8th grade), while we were talking about a
classmate of her's who thought she (the classmate) was pregnant,
"nobody" uses condoms or any other protection, even though they have all
had the education, and all have ready access.  Why?  Simple...it is near
impossible to conceive <no pun intended> that IT [any "it"] can happen
to me/us.  Teens today are no different then we were as teens in that
regard, why do we think that just because the consequences can be more
severe (i.e. AIDS) that it will be any more *real* to today's teens?

And that's not all...when I asked my daughter what her classmate would
do, she said "oh, the usual...get an illegal abortion done by some
friend of so-and-so's."  WHAT???  I was horrified.  According to my
daughter there is just no way these kids are going to go to a clinic,
even if it IS anonymous.  Let's get real folks!...remember how WE felt
about "the establishment" at that age??

As an aside, on a different note, I think that there are some types of
education which are NOT appropriate, and where the "education doesn't
lead to activity" argument breaks down.  For example, my daughter
brought home one of her health exams last year (7th grade), and one of
the questions was "Which spot on a woman's genitals is the most
sensitive?"  Now, I don't know about you, but to me this borders pretty
darn close on teaching "technique" [or mechanics, if you will], and I
think that given the fact that schools are in no way allowed to
"moralize", that it was entirely inappropriate.




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From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:20:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Apr13.190644.20943@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr (Marilyn Walker) writes:
>I am looking for a catalog that carries moderately priced, attractive, 
>maternity clothes, primarily made of natural fibers.  I became very 
>discouraged after looking through store racks of mostly polyester 
>blends with very little selection.  In a mid-size city we have only a 
>few stores that even carry maternity clothes.  Wearing polyester 
>feels like dressing in a plastic bag to me, and add that to being 
>pregnant during the summer....
>
>Any suggestions, information (besides making my own clothes - I'd 
>never finish before the baby came) are most welcome.

Your return address doesnt work. I tried a reply, and then I tried it
with .com appended to it. Neither worked. 

====

Here are a couple of suggestions. You will want these catalogues anyway.
after your baby is born:

Hanna Anderson sells a couple of maternity outfits. They mostly sell kids
clothers. The kids clothes are rather pricey, but grownup clothes are merely
slightly expensive.

Motherwear sells mostly clothes for nursing, but they I seem to remember some
maternity outfits too.

Also, Garnet Hill sells maternity clothes.

None of these catlogues specialize in maternity clothes. When I was pregnant
I only saw one catalogue and it was all polyester. I share your disdain. 
Sorry, I do not have numbers for them at work, try getting them from 800
info. If you cant get them, email me, and I will try and get the numbers
tonight.

Hope this helps.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: TAX for maternity leave
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <11206@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
|> 
|> >I was on maternity leave and was paid by SDI and an insurance
|> >company
|> 
|> What is this SDI? Is it state-specific?
|> 

Yes, it is state-specific and only a few states have this disability
insurance.  California is one of them.  It stands for State Disability
Insurance and you pay for it thru a certain percentage of your salary
up to a maximum amount.

Leigh Ann

Xref: sparky misc.kids:12560 alt.satanism:1291
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: The Satanic Purpose.
Keywords: Purpose.
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:20:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Apr8.125155.2977@darwin.ntu.edu.au> r9h@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Lord Rohan the Modest)0 writes:

>I once read/heard/watched, I can't remember which, a documentary about
>different religions, which also included satanism.

>Within it, It explained that Satanists only worshiped Satan to appease his
>lust/anger/etc.. so that he would not punish the world, therefore, this
>sort of made the 'good guys' within my humble opinion.  Is this perception
>of the Satanist's correct, or am I totally off track.  What is the Satanist's
>purpose ?  If I was to believe some christians, it would be to bring evil
>into the world, but like I said, the documentary has made me think otherwise.

>Would anyone involved like to clarify it for me ?



A Satanist must appease no god but himself.
A Satanist's only purpose is to live his/her life as he/she
sees fit.

A Satanist chooses to doubt, rather than believe.

s
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From: tai@hawk.eng.ready.com (Josephine Tai)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: TAX for maternity leave
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:41:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ready.1992Apr8.184135.5617
Organization: Ready Systems



  I do not know whether this is the right place to ask my question.
If not, I apology.

  During my maternity leave, I received two checks, one from SDI, 
another one from Group American Insurance Company. Someone told
me that I do not need to pay TAX for these two checks. I also
have been told that SDI check is taxable, but Insurance company 
check is exempt. Which one is correct? But now, both of them 
are showing on my W2 form as regular wages. Does anyone on the
net know what is the right answer?

Thanks!



Josephine 
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:59:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Walla Walla Bing Bang
Keywords: Chipmunks
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:26:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus

The Chipmunks were created by Ross Bagdasarian, I think, in the late 50s
or early 60s, when their original cartoon show was on TV.  His son did
a revival back in the mid 80s.

Kevin Wright 
Xref: sparky misc.kids:13150 alt.kids-talk:656 alt.parents-teens:704 misc.education:1954
From: alan@StarConn.com (Alan Deikman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:33:41 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

In article <2531@keele.keele.ac.uk> csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk 
>	(Christopher Wrigley) writes:
>
>      ii)  The matter should be discussed _in_the_home and is not the
>  schools responsiblilty nor is it their right to address such issues
>  or practices in the school setting.
>

I have always had a big problem with this particular argument.
It completely ignores the rights and needs of those children
unlucky enough to not have the option of discussing these things
at home.  From the community's standpoint, the parents could seem
like perfectly acceptable, personable people. 

I have known kids, though, that would be smacked in the mouth or
worse if they even attempted to talk to their parents about some
subjects, with sex at the top of the list.  Or what about the child
whose parent(s) are molesting them?

Alan
====
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: flaskerud@quark2.aero.org
Subject: Re: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: flaskerud@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:08:00 GMT

In article <RyX1iB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>, holly@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Wendy Woodcock) writes...
>My fiance and I have been planning our wedding for almost a year now, and it 
>is scheduled for August 15th.  It is to be a fairly elegant affair, with a 
>sit-down meal at an old mansion overlooking a lake, etc...  We have 
>relatives flying in from all over Canada and from California and England.  
>These people have already booked their tickets.
> 
>The problem... I just found out yesterday that I am betwen 12 and 15 weeks 
>pregnant, meaning I will be about 7 months pregnant at the wedding.  So much 
>for the $1000 fitted wedding dress.
> 
>Abortion is not an answer for us, I am definately pro-choice, and so is he, 
>but we already have two children (ages 4 yrs, and 10 mths) and were planning 
>for two more (although, not right now!) so this baby is "wanted", just 
>inconvenient timing-wise.
> 
>The advice I need is in regards to the wedding... should we postpone it for 
>a year, meaning that guests would have to cancel plane tickets, and we would 
>lose deposits on many things we have already booked, but by next August I 
>would be able to wear the dress, drink wine with dinner, and be more 
>"bridelike", or should we go ahead with the wedding as scheduled?  Would it 
>be terribly bad form for me to get married at 7 mths. pregnant?
> 
  Whatever you feel comfortable with is the most important thing.  My 
brother-in-law got married when his girlfriend was eight months 
pregnant.  While it was not a large elegant affair, it was definitely 
"wedding-like".  She managed to find a formal, white maternity dress.  
In the pictures, you can tell she is VERY pregnant, but it means just as 
much if not more to them than if she had not been pregnant.  They plan 
to renew their vows on their fifth anniversary.  Since you mentioned 
that so many people have already made plans, it might be best to go 
ahead as scheduled, less people may get their feelings hurt.

Congratulations!

Cindy Dagen-Flaskerud
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.224855.5236@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@hemingway.WEITEK.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes:
>In article <1992Apr07.190713.960046@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>>Well, I can tell you I hate ours.  We got one that you don't permanently 
>>attach, but it uses a foot clamp that pushes two rubber pads up against the
>>edges of the doorway.  Well, it falls out with the slightest provocation.
>
>Every gate I've seen is junk.  They all work real hard for a "no tools
>necessary" installation, and it makes them unreliable, unwieldy, and
>expensive.  I'm looking for a "great big cordless screwdriver required
>for installation" gate myself.  Anybody know of one?
>
Yeah, the Gerry that Judy hates :-) [Robert deleted the part
where she said it screwed into the wall but they wanted to move
it around]. We bought it because it was
one of the few screw-into-the-wall types available, and we
we had quite a clear run up the the top of the stairs. We were concerned
that Beth could work up a full head of steam, smash into the gate,
and knock a rubber-bumper-type right out of the doorway. Various
people told us that was indeed possible. So we bought the Gerry.

It is really hard to open. In fact I was insisting we should take it back 
till I suddenly got the knack. We had to teach everyone to open
it, and I usually had to help the first 4 or 5 times. Somehow that didn't
make us just leave it open. It was also VERY hard to open from below,
because as you push on the foot switch it gives a little when opening
from the other side.

All in all though, I liked it and would recommend it. There was no
other place we wanted to gate, so a movable gate held no appeal
for us. In fact I liked the fact that this one hinged like a door and was 
waiting for you when you came back to close it.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan)
Subject: Re: kids watching violence
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Australian National University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:39:18 GMT

goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>fingers around her younger sibling's neck. Personally, I would not let
>an 8 year old watch an R rated movie, but am I the only old
>fashioned prude left?

*I* wouldn't watch an R-rated movie (let alone let an 8 year old watch),
and I haven't the slightest interest in whether or not someone thinks I'm
a prude. See my signature.

Drew - who has his own opinions.
-- 
  You are what you are and where you are
    because of what has gone into your mind.
  You can change what you are and where you are
    by changing what goes into your mind.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:12857 alt.kids-talk:608 alt.parents-teens:640 misc.education:1886
From: kami@telesoft.com (Kami Olsson-Tapp @day)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Golden books "chain letter"???
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:48:45 GMT
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA

In <153@heimat.UUCP> dans@heimat.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:

>In article <4310121@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:
>>Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
>>which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
>>deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
>>back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
>>list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".
>>
>>Has anyone else seen this?  I thought asking for things of
>>value in a chain letter was illegal, but maybe that's an
>>u.l. (???)

>  We received a similar letter awhile back. Being the type who is
>  personally offended by chain letters this one was not received
>  any better. The most interesting thing in this one is that it
>  asked if you did not want to get involved that you should return
>  the letter vs throwing it out. So that is exaclty what we did.

>  Legal? He!! I dont think any chaion letter is legal but a call to
>  your local post office and ask them.

I got one of these 3 years ago and I did call the post office. 
According to the San Diego PO this scheme is ILLEGAL.



-- 
Kami Olsson-Tapp 
ucsd!telesoft!kami
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:03:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Both parents home (was Re: At what age is day care appropriate?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Carol and Margaret, thank you for posting what I wanted to say but somehow
couldn't find the words for.  I agree with what you wrote!  I don't want to
flame people who choose to stay at home with their children, but I do object
to someone who says that's the ONLY way to raise children right.

My daughter has a much wider range of experiences, learning, and abilities
as a result of having been exposed to so many things I (or my husband, had
he elected to stay home) would not have been able to teach/show her.  She 
has learned a lot about sharing with her peers and being a sociable person.
She is affectionate and only a little shy with new people she meets.  With
the variety of viewpoints, experiences and skills she is exposed to, I find
that her life is enriched beyond measure.  And since the daycare people 
don't have to deal with everyday realities like those who do stay at home 
(going shopping, making meals, cleaning house), their attention is focused
entirely on the children they care for.  That's a lot more than what would
have been the case if she were at home with one of us all day!

Scott was of the opinion that someone should stay home with a baby until
they are 2 years old; but we didn't have the choice (we had bills to pay),
so Kiri was in daycare from 3 months.  Now Scott has changed his mind: he
sees how much the daycare has taught her before the age of 2, and how she
has (positively) responded to all the stimuli.  He's quite comfortable 
with the thought that our second child will also be in daycare from an 
early age, even if we didn't have to do that.

I don't see what makes 5 years the magic number for staying at home. 
And I especially disagree with Judy's statement that if I (or my husband)
can't take those 5 years off, we ought not to have children!! 



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: aar@ph.albany.edu (Andrew Reilly)
Subject: Req Repost of 1st Baby Needs
Summary: looking for recent article
Keywords: 1st Baby
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Distribution: misc.kids
Date:  9 Apr 92 18:33:54 GMT


	Would the person who so carefully listed useful things for a first
baby please either repost the article (or mail it directly to me?).  I
found it wonderful but now it is lost....

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aar@stat.ph.albany.edu                                   Andrew A. Reilly
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From: jma6+@andrew.cmu.edu (Janice McClure)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:37:21 GMT
	<1992Apr9.130227.4920@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

i haven't seen mention of " i'm singing in the rain"
great song great musical!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dnmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Neal Miller)
Subject: Gestational Diabetes
Summary: Information wanted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:44:04 GMT

With 10 weeks left to go on my second pregnancy
I've been told I may have gestational diabetes.
Anyone have any experience with this?  Any good
books out there on the subject?

Does this explain why I've had an ice cream 
deficiency on a daily basis for the past month?

How does one distinguish usual third trimester
pregnancy side effects from gestational diabetes?

Marcy Miller
-- 
David Neal Miller

Internet: miller.3@osu.edu
Bitnet:   miller.3@ohstmail
From: saavik@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (PMH)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:33:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.224855.5236@jetsun.weitek.COM>, robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes:
> In article <1992Apr07.190713.960046@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
> >Well, I can tell you I hate ours.  We got one that you don't permanently 
> >attach, but it uses a foot clamp that pushes two rubber pads up against the
> >edges of the doorway.  Well, it falls out with the slightest provocation.
> 
> Every gate I've seen is junk.  They all work real hard for a "no tools
> necessary" installation, and it makes them unreliable, unwieldy, and
> expensive.  I'm looking for a "great big cordless screwdriver required
> for installation" gate myself.  Anybody know of one?

Sorry, don't have one of those. :-)   But I do have one I've
been able to live with.  I don't know the name but I'll try to
describe it.  We actually bought it when we had a dog (pre-kids era).

It's a white gate with plastic cris-cross mesh with openings about 
2 sq.in. on a diagonal.  It stays in place very nicely with tension
bars at the top and bottom.  You have to turn them to tighten against
your door jam.  It doesn't take much time to tighten or loosen.

It's also short enough that I can step over it and I'm 5'4".  The
kids were unable to climb it due to the small openings.

Crude picture alert!
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Re: New Baby
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:01:33 GMT


In a previous article, glenn7914@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:

>        I just found out that I am pregnant and would like some advice from the
>others who have been there.  We have a 2 1/2 YO daughter and would like to know
>how long to wait before telling her.  We have already discussed with her that
>someday it might happen but never anything about when this will occur.  I also
>would like any suggestions on cute ways to let the grandparents know that
>Kelsey will be a big sister.
>                     
     Shucks, too bad this isn't Christmas time; I saw a cute video on America's
Funniest Home Videos with a woman pulling what looked a maternity dress out of
a package.  She had apparently put in in there herself (or maybe her husband
did), and it took the parents about half a second before they shrieked:
"You're pregnant!?!  Oh my God, you're pregnant!!!" in the most excited voice.
Maybe if you have a birthday coming up, you could still try this.
     As for when to tell your daughter, the anticipation will be too great at
this age if you tell her with 5-6 months to go.  Generally about 4 months or
so - when you start to show it.  Then, the baby will probably be kicking, I
would imagine, and your daughter can at least get some excitement out of
feeling the baby kicking.  Also, what my Uncle Tim and Aunt Cyndy did was tell
their kids about when on the calendar the baby would be due.  With Chris, it
was around the twins' 3rd birthdays (he came 4 days before.)  With Matthew,
they told the other it would be around the time Dan and Melissa got out of
kindergarten. (He came a week before school let out.)  That way, it isn't just
some abstract time that leaves kids asking constantly:  "How long till the
baby comes?"
>           
>                   Thanks,
>   
>          O   O    
>         /^\o/|\                
>         / \K/ \           Nancy "The Momma" Glenn
>             
>
>
>
>
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain