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From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tektroni.9208122232.AA09586

In article <1992Aug11.213506.9401@src.dec.com> sclafani@src.dec.com (Michael
Sclafani) writes:
>I'd agree with you if I had the freedom to choose not to pay for the costs of
>injured, helmetless cyclists.  Those costs include direct medical costs,
>medical insurance, unemployment, lawyers, court costs, and liability insurance
>for clubs, race sponsors, and bike shops.  Your freedom to choose not to wear
>a helmet ends at my wallet.

Wallet my ass.. the amount of money spent by the public for uninsured head
injuries for bike riders is so small as to be insignificant.  Why don't
you try those fat slobs at McDonalds who most assuredly will cause your
wallet real damage with their clogged up veins or the jerks puffing on
a cig who are coughing all the way to the doctors to have their lung
cancer diagnosed.  Heart disease and lung cancer...now there's something
to worry about... bike head injuries are insignificant from a public
expenditure point of view.

--Terry
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Suck on Mt Bike
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:02:03 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems

A whole bunch of solutions have been posted to prevent chain suck (milled bolts,
Anti-chain suck thing, sharkfin, clean rings). Another useful gadget is a piece
of pipe (pcv will do) that is mounted across your chainstays right behind your
bottom bracket that protrudes outside the right chainstay past the chain line.
This helps stop the chain from sucking up between the ring and stay. A Shimano
XTR middle chain ring helps also (expensive) as it *much* more smoothly releases
the chain (as opposed to the chain "jumping" off many other rings) and has little
ramps that help guide the chain onto the small ring. Suntour rings have the ramps
also, but not the aggressive release teeth contours. 
Also, I don't know what kind of shifters you have, but I've found Rapid Fire shifters
to be notorious for causing suck. I find the derailluer's spring released "snap" 
to smaller rings gives the chain too much lateral velocity and the chain often
shoots past the inner ring.
 
However, I or my friends have
tried all of the above, and none has proven foolproof: If you want to, you can suck
a chain. About the only absolute way to prevent suck is to never ride in mud
and never shift under load, two practices that are very difficult to avoid
for a serious off-road rider. However, if you shy from mud-riding (thrashes the
environment anyway), cut-down on underload chain-ring shifts (shift earlier
and "soft pedal" more as the shift-load increases), and employ some of the many
posted devices (I personally recommend the XTR ring), you should see significantly
less suck.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias)
Subject: Re: Cannondale 2.8 << Creaking >>
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:46:06 GMT


   A note to creaking Cannondale, Klein, and any other aluminum frame owners:

	If you've tried everything, and that creaking still won't go away, 
	try checking the 

			** REAR WHEEL SKEWER **

	If it's aluminum also, like an American Classic or Ringle, etc,
	it has potential to be a sneaky creaky SOB, no matter how hard 
	you crank it down.  A friend of mine tore apart and Lock-Tited 
	his Klein sealed BB more than once only to discover that it was 
	his rear dropout and Q.R doing the noisy friction thang. 

	
		Peace on spokes,
	
		Jim Collias
		jcollias@src.dec.com
From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lead and Commuting
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:01:26 GMT
	<SOL.92Aug21164930@kesson.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: none


      In article <1992Aug17.150638.12202@maths.tcd.ie> bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
      >
      >Does anyone out there know what effect car fumes and other pollutants
      >have on the commuting cyclist. In particular I am interested in blood
      >lead levels. Is this a problem for people cycling in traffic? 

In the United States I doubt that airborn lead is much of a problem.
In 1982 the Environmental Protection Agency adopted the current lead
phase-down regulation for gasoline. According to the American
Petroleum Institute, leaded gasoline constituted only about 10 percent
of the 1990 gasoline market. Even that 10 percent is limited to 1.1
grams / leaded gallon. If you think that's too high, you can thank
George Bush (vice president at the time) for fighting EPA every step
of the way.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Road Tires
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:18:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug20.160250.16630@oakhill.sps.mot.com> gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>
>OK, I'll bite!  I've had to replace my Michelin Super Compe HD on the rear at the 
>1500 mile point, and now that I'm at 3,000 miles it looks like its getting close
>to that time again.  The only thing wrong with the front is that it is starting to
>get that "aged" look too (yellowed sidewalls, half a dozen nicks out of 'em, etc.).
>I must admit, though, that I LIKE the way they feel, they have never slipped in the
>rain, and I've NEVER had a flat tire.  So why change?  Dunno... both you and Sam
I only picked on Michellin because I think that they are the _best_
competition clinchers. I just don't think that they are the best for
everyday use. They do feel a lot like tubulars (they have a real slow
bounce instead of that hard 'chunk!' of Continentals) and they seem
to corner the same. With Conti's I always cheat a bit and hang over
instead of leaning all the way. This way, if the tire starts slipping
you can stand the bike more upright and save it easier.

I buy the Continentals from my local shop at about $22 apiece.

As to Mavic O4CD's -- I was just standing by a guy on Tuesday that had
his _new_ Specialized TT clincher blow off. He put in a new tube
and ran it that night OK. Another friend had Conti folders blow off
of an O4CD. So I suspect that there are some slight problems with
the hook beads -- if you are very careful with the tire alighnment
it doesn't seem to happen.

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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:43:44 GMT

I used a couple of "Bike Tights" mounted on a 2x6 (a discarded redwood
3' hot tub stave -- sort of a combined attempt at aesthetics &
recycling) to build a quick & easy "inside of the 4Runner" bike mount.
Work's great, thought I'd been pretty crafty.

Showed it to my neighbor & next day he had built his own using a 3'
piece of 2x4 with 2 fork-width 4x4 blocks & both-ends-threaded bolts
with wingnuts for forkmounts.  Cost him $2 max.  I now feel a little
less crafty but no less clever.  Or something like that.

Or you can spend $80 to $270 for a pickup bed expansion rod w/ fork
mounts.

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com           *    _\|/_  *       <>
<>      alta-holic <>   (this *often* works)     _\|/_    o   /|\    _\|/_  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  /|\    <\       *   /|\   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks          __ /__,               <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: goblej@Turing.ORG (John C. Goble)
Subject: Re: Chain length
Summary: Tech writers jobs are safe....
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:37:31 GMT

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com wonders...
  >I've heard of laying chickens ... but what does a 10" Post lay?

but later (at least at my news site) declares...
  >.... without the chain becoming slack or taught.
                                            ^^^^^^
I personally think that bicycle chains have no place in the classroom,
regardless of length.  Besides, they have proven to be slow learners...  
 
``He who giveth, so shall he receiveth"

-john
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tandem drivetrain misbehaving
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:09:08 GMT
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

Yes, this is probably (certainly?) your freewheel tightening
up.  If this continues to happen, something is wrong with
how the freewheel is threaded on (cross threaded/stripping).
It is a _very_ good idea to use anti-sieze compound on the
freewheel threads - tandem frewheels become legendarily
tight.  The time before last removing, I broke (yes, broke)
two or three freewheel tools.  When I put it back on, I
put neversieze on the threads, and it came off much
easier next time. 

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 1
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
In-reply-to: SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET's message of 19 Aug 92 10:45:52 GMT

In article <92232.111133SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET (Willem Boersma) writes:
   Some extra news: after the stage, Jean-Paul van Poppel announced
   that he will be riding for Lotus-Festina next year. Of the 4 major
   professional Dutch teams, only TVM is certain of continued sponsorship.
   PDM's team manager Jan Gisbers is said to become manager of Lotus Festina,
   but only if he can take a top rider with him. As Breukink is supposed
   to go to ONCE, rumour now has it that he will take Theunisse.

?? Theunisse rides for TVM.

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:59:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: rec.bicycles

In article <1992Aug19.220323.28258@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
>
>How about balancing the costs versus the benefits so that
>there are no hidden costs and the user can properly
>determine which benefits them most?  That's not using
>force.  It's simply fair.

isn't this the same thing as saying that those
of us that don't use the education system shouldn't
pay for it? Or those of us that can stand to live under other
regimes shouldn't have to pay for the military? Or welfare?

Your basic premise is that something that is good for the
United States but not you personally sholdn't be a burden
on your pocketbook. As a nation we do not share that belief.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: IIRE@joyl.joensuu.fi (IIRE_ANTTI)
Subject: About seat posts
Organization: University of Joensuu, Finland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:09:06 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Yet another newbie question...

I am 190 cm tall (don't know your feets and inches) and I have an MTB with
approx. 21" frame. I really like the bike. In my opinion taller guy can do
it with smaller frame. 

But the problem, as you have already guessed, is the seat post. When I saw
the discussion about tall gyus & MTB's, I decided to ask, too.

HOw long posts there is available (around here one can't find anything longer
than 33 cm)? I've contacted couple of US mailing companies, and they said
they'd have 35 cm. And is there any "do-it-yourself"-tricks to lenghten the
post? I have 32 cm post, and in city&roads I have to pull the post so high,
that there isn't very much of it left inside the frame anymore (approx.
6-7 cm). I'd feel safer with a litle bit longer post, but I am not yet ready
to pay $50 (+p&p) for the additional 3 cm. 

So people, how have you solved this problem? Or have you just purchased a new
frame? I wouldn't want to, I like this one.

BTW, diameter is 26.9, I think.

THANX!


Antti Iire,  Univ. of JOENSUU, Finland
P.O BOX 111, SF-80101 FINLAND
Phone: + 358 (9)73 151 2063
Fax: + 358 (9)73 151 2050
Email: iire@joyl.joensuu.fi
From: ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: beginner century questions
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:03:08 GMT

I would appreciate some advice about my first century. I'm not too afraid of
the metric C in September, but kind of worried about the 100M in October.
Currently I ride 3-5x a week, 20-35 mi a ride with a 50 every month or so.
Pace is 16-20mph depending on terrain & wind. Last 50 was 17mph. How much
should I slow down for the longer distances? Also, I keep hearing about
caloric replacement. The most I've ever taken in was 16-24 oz of 7-up
on the 50 milers. How much should I take in on the 62 and on the 100?
Do people really take in solid food on a ride without hurling? If so,
what is safe and how soon should I start? Pace for the 62&100 - Should I start
out at normal speed and slow down if I feel bad, or start slower (how much)
than normal and speed up later if I *don't* feel bad? Do I need to do a ride
longer than the metric C before trying 100 Mi?
Thanks,
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:40:44 GMT

In article <jTd-H5_@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
>Tom Kunich writes:
>
>>But they seem to be living in a glass world. Before automobiles most
>>people didn't use mass transit. They used single transportation and
>>the most common form was the horse. The polution and expense of this
>>form of single transportation was also subsidized by society and
>>the filth and disease caused by draught animals were well known.
>
>Statistics, please.  Consider that you may be a victim of "living
>in the past".  In the modern world, millions of people use mass transit
>every day.

My mother had commented that NJ for the most past was backward in its mass
transit. Seems we're living in the past in that some areas you must have a car
to get to mass transit. Sorta defeats the purpose in many cases.

>[more deleted]
>
>.... Over the same
>period of time, auto-crash safety requirements should be put in place
>to finally require the manufacturers to build small vehicles that are
>as safe as large cars are now.

Just a side note, has anyone checked the weight of their car? I've checked
my 1964 2 dr galaxie (wt ~4400 lbs), my 1987 Mustang hatchback (~3800 lbs),
my 1991 Probe GT (~4000 lbs), heavy ;-}. It also seems that the Probe is the 
safest, and the Mustang gets the best mileage. Strange, eh?

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:00:42 GMT

In <1992Aug13.000449.1124@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan) writes:

>Hello,

>I've finally been driven to post my opinion by Mark G. Salyzyn's 
>account of a pedestrian-caused accident.  Why are bike paths shared????
>A bike path is for bikes.  A sidewalk is for pedestrians.  Period.

And obviously, using this logic, roads are for cars only (or maybe
trucks only, since they're bigger).

Is there some law in Quebec that says "bike paths are for bikes only"?
I've never heard of such a thing in the US (not that some state might
not have such a law).


>Sridar
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:59:17 GMT

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Ralph Smith writes:

>> That makes ME wonder ... How did Howard ever get that bike rolling on the
>> salt flats?

>He was towed to 100 mph but I'm not sure I can believe at what speed
>he was disconnected because the whole concept is so non bicycle that

& did he cross over into the 8th dimension going thru a mountain?

American Flyers & Buckeroo Banzai -- what a double feature!!!
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Michelin Hi-Lite Comp vs HD Comp: ?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:16:57 GMT

I've been using Hi-Lite Comps for two years now and I'm very pleased
with both the feel and durability- my front tire has about 3300 miles
on it and I've had only *2* flats, total. Only one involved retiring the
tire. I ride about 120 miles a week when the streets are snow-free, & my weight
has varied between 230 and 205 (I'm 6'2") so I'm not exactly gentle on
gear.
 
I've been intrigued by talk of the HD COmps- many people repeat the "they
ride like tubulars" line. Could someone who has ridden both the Comps and
the HD Comps comment on the difference in ride and durability? I ride the
700x23, BTW, which in size are really closer to 700x28.
 
 --mike
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:21:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Aug20.153008.1521@tamsun.tamu.edu> sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:
> [deleted]
>So, to restate:  Why do you want fat tires on [a] new road bike?

1) to be able to ride offroad on occasion
2) to be able to scream down West Alpine Rd. (washboard surface) without
any pinch flats.
3) to do an occasional tour.
4) to get increased traction on days when it has rained or might rain
5) to use fenders in the winter (this isn't about fat tires, but is another
use for the clearance they require).
6...) the list goes on.

For me, the question is: what advantages do manufacturers get from making
frames without clearances for large road tires (that's what I'd call a 28c
tire, which many stock road frames can accommodate only if the wheel is
perfectly true)?  There may be some appeal to being able to claim that a
bike is "optimized" for the road, though that claim hardly follows from the
frame's being cripled so that it can't do anything else.  My suspicion is
that the real desire is to force us to buy multiple bikes.

My current frame limits tire size to about 28c.  I'd never have bought such
a frame, but it was all that was available as a warranty replacement.  The
limit is "enforced" by a brake bridge that is too low and by chainstays that
do not have bends in the inside.  What benefits come from these "features"?
I can detect no increase in braking effectiveness of the Super Record short-
reach brakes I got for this frame over the Superbe long-reach brakes I had
on the old one, nor do I feel any additional stiffness resulting from stays
that aren't as kinked as those on my old frame -- which would accomodate 35c
tires *and* fenders.

Sometimes this can get absurd: I talked briefly a couple of days back with
a fellow commuter who was riding a Merlin.  I mentioned that I really want
one of those bikes but don't like the fact that you can't fit fenders on
them.  He said that is what his winter bike is for.  But for me, one of the
really nice things about having a Ti frame is that I could ride it all winter
without worrying about rust.  Seems as if someone is missing the boat.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Gan Insurance to pick up Sponsorhip of Team Z
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:43:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.010559.21815@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
|> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
|> : A French Insurance company, Gan, will take over sponsorship
|> : of Team Z.

Hmmm I think I'll change my house insurance to UAP,  I'm not sure Greg's worth the premium hike.

David,
Grenoble, France.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:16:47 GMT

In <1992Aug13.184120.13393@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan) writes:

>*****
>In <1992Aug13.000449.1124@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan) writes:

>>Hello,

>>I've finally been driven to post my opinion by Mark G. Salyzyn's 
>>account of a pedestrian-caused accident.  Why are bike paths shared????
>>A bike path is for bikes.  A sidewalk is for pedestrians.  Period.

And I said:

}And obviously, using this logic, roads are for cars only (or maybe
}trucks only, since they're bigger).

}Is there some law in Quebec that says "bike paths are for bikes only"?
}I've never heard of such a thing in the US (not that some state might
}not have such a law).

>*****

>The law considers bicycles as vehicles, with all the rights and
>responsibilities of drivers of motorized vehicles.  There are some
>restrictions, of course, such as expressways and entrance/exit
>ramps.  Cyclists are not allowed to ride on sidewalks, since it
>obviously endangers pedestrians, although some cyclists do
>it anyway.  The bike paths I was referring to are two lane, 
>bidirectional paths with a total width of about 3 m.  The posted
>signs indicate that these are bike paths.  There are sidewalks

According to an article just posted, they are legally multi-use paths.
The signs are there probably just to indicate that you're allowed to
bicycle on them.

>and footpaths parallel to the paths for just about the entire
>length.  So why should pedestrians use the bike paths?  Do they
>walk in the middle of the roads?

How about because they're public right-of-ways built with public
money.  (Do you bicycle in the middle of roads when it's safe to stay
right?)  I'll bet you don't even have the usual motorhead excuse of
"user fees" to bring up; I'd guess these paths are built with general
revenues rather than special taxes on bicycles and accesories.

Why don't you ask one of the pedestrians why they use the "bike path"?
They may just have good reasons.

>There are general recreation paths in most parks, and especially
>on Mount Royal.  These are shared, and rightly so.  Cyclists here
>should keep the speed down and enjoy the scenery.  (But watch out
>for pedestrians, clinching lovers and runaway baby carriages (-:) )
>My point is that peds should stay off the high speed commuter bike
>paths.

And, by this logic, bikes should stay off roads, where they might
interfere with commuting motorists.

>Sorry if that wasn't clear, but I stand by my views.

With a little superficial editing, you'd be a natural on rec.autos*.

>Sridar
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ZOOM products????
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:30:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug12.141610.25462@bnr.ca>, babineau@bnr.ca (Michael
Babineau) wrote:
> There is also a Brahama Ex which has a bit more of a wrap-around 
> (similar to the Scott AT3). This seems to be standard equipment on many 
> of the Diamond Back Bikes these days. You can also get Brahama Grips
> to fit both the Brahama bar and Brahama Ex.

can you post the source for these please?
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