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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:57:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <bazyar.724391662@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
>>[...] (Macintosh system software is not generally reentrant, either).
>
>And that's too bad, because it wouldn't have been much more difficult
>to do it the right way.  Stopping all tasks while in a modal dialog
>is one example where the cooperative philosophy breaks down when
>applied on top of a non-multitasking system (as MultiFinder was).

Let me amend my statement a little...while it's not *generally* reentrant,
Macintosh System 7 (or 6+MultiFinder) is reentrant in carefully controlled
ways.

Activity actually does -not- stop behind a modal dialog.  True, the user
is not allowed to bring a different application to the front before
dismissing the dialog, but the other apps continue to get background
time.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lgarde@scorch.apana.org.au (Leon Garde)
Subject: Re: Apple IIc to Apple IIe upgrade
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:57:28 GMT

sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

|In article <83S=LV-@engin.umich.edu> gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe) writes:
|>A friend of mine has several games for the IIe which he would like to 
|>be able to play.  However, he doesn't want to part with his IIc.  Does
|>anyone have the upgrade who would be willin to donate/sell it?

|No upgrade is needed; the IIc should be able to run all the same
|software as the IIe.

|  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu

Um, well scott, I've had games that wont work on my //c.
DROLL is the first one i found that didn't , and Captain Goodnite did
too. I suspect either reliance on ROM for this. Or exploitation
of some incompatible feature of the controller card in ][e's.
any 'in the know' answer on this ?

 I suspect the disk controller and/or
any associated rom, cause the games used to hang just after boot.
I suspect dirty 6502 code.

How would one write something to run on the //e, and not the //c,
without being obvious about it ?


leon
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Send/Receive FAX Modems for GS
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 14:59:12 EST
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782


Richard, I for one will be very intrested in your fax software for
GS.  I use a Supra with ....  you know, the latest one.  As it is
the cheapest, I suspect that many others have the same.  I've had
no problems using it with ANSIterm.  I would want BOTH send and
receive; it would be nice to view "receive" on screen, but as long
as it can be sent to the printer (mine is an ImageWriter II at
present) it would be OK with me.  "Send" is just as important as
"Receive!"  "Receive" is just as important as "Send!"  I want this
because I don't want another machine on my home desk - NO ROOM!!!!

Larry

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From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:42:22 GMT

> >     The reason why the GS does not have features like a multifinder is
> > because Apple did not let the GS have them. A Multifinder for the GS would
> > be expensive for Apple to make right now because back when the GS was being
> > created, many corners were cut in the design of the toolbox for time/budget
> > reasons (also created by Apple).
 
As far as I know, the Mac design was totally devoid of forthought on
"multitasking", backgrounding, application-switching, etc. Much published
material indicates MultiFinder is quite a hack. There is now (well after the
fact) some design to it. There is a Process Manager and apps should do certain
things to be compatible.
 
The IIGS has a call SetSwitch, intended to post "switch" events to applications
about to switched in/out. This is an obvious consideration of multitasking, or
at least program switching ahead of time. The call remains unimplemented and
the docs do not say how to respond to switch events.
 
Time/budget constraints are not usually the creation of companies; they are the
creation of the marketplace. Unless, of course, you believe Apple tightend the
budget and rushed to market the IIGS in an effort to hurt it as it was being
developed. The Mac was also developed under great time contraints. There are
stories (publisted) of the crunch to finish the software and how many hours
people like Atkinson and Hertzfeld were putting in.
 
>        However, it is known that there were some decisions that were made
>while the toolbox was being written that has created some problems. Some of
>the long term effects of certain decisions were not know about, such as not
>making the toolbox calls re-enterant. If they were re-enterant, this would
>have made making a Multifinder much easier. But these concepts were not well
>known at the
>time, so I can understand that.
 
Do you really think programmers at Apple didn't realize a non-reentrant System
makes multitasking difficult? _Maybe_ they sacrificed multi-tasking for speed
(well, speed is probably hurt w/o multitasking), development time/effort,
price, and maybe they didn't think the IIGS needed multitasking.
I'm pretty sure the Mac toolbox also isn't reentrant. I doubt Windows is
reentrant. Multitasking (not true multitasking, but something convincing enough
to users) does not require reentrancy.
 
>Quickdraw hardcoded to hardware and resolution
 
Quickdraw is slow enough as is. It would be even worse if it were written more
generally to support other video. Then again, other video could include a
graphics coprocessor to allevate the 65816 graphics tasks.
 
--
 
So, when are the next dealer price lists due to arrive?
And, what month in '83 did the IIe come out? (ie- will it hit 10 years old
soon?)
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Comments?
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:05:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Here we go again!
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|drees@plains.Nodak.Edu | Computer Science senior at UND. Please hire me.| 
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From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: How do you get interleave stuff.
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:39:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


     How does the formatting screen that comes up get what interleaves are
available for each drive.  Or does it just say that it found a appledisk3.5
and that it can do 1:2 and 1:4.  The reason I am asking is that the new
OSFormat uses the same location for saving the screen as the CDA menu does.
So you cannot use the interactive mode text format while in the CDA menu or
it saves your screen over the text screen you had before entering the CDA
menu.  I would appreciate anything anyone can give me.

-- 
Gary F. Desrochers
gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bary@acf3.NYU.EDU (Jeffrey Bary)
Subject: Printer Spooler
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:50:00 GMT

Is there a printer spooler that will allow me continue
using Works while printing on my Imagewriter II ? The Imagewriter
is so slow.

Jeffrey Bary
New York University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: MODifier
Followup-To: alt.sys.ibmpc.sucks.sucks.sucks
Summary: now with 10 essential vitamins and minerals, plus calcium and fiber!
Keywords: words which describe the content (tm)
X-Y-Z: huh?
X-Q: Riker, you dullard!
Organization: Two Meg Software Verbal Engineering Division
X-Newsreader: NNTPZap (tm) v1.01, copyright (c) 1992 Two Meg
X-Kibo-Reference: James "Kibo" Parry, your headlights are on
X-Picard: Oh, Beverly, I wanna *censored*
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:45:07 GMT

In article <1geh04INNb6q@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes) writes:
>In article <1gedv4INNo42@gap.caltech.edu> toddpw@cco.caltech.edu 
>(Todd P. Whitesel) writes:

>>What manual? Especially since it's not even released yet.

>I think he meant that the jukebox is described in the manual of the latest
>version of MZ.  Ie, the one that -is- released.

Ding ding.  James wins a case of new Virtual Cookies, guaranteed not to make
you fat ;-) oh, yeah, and some Chunky Clam Chowder and a lifesize nude poster
of Cindy Crawford (my game show has better prizes than Matt's =-)

>>Todd Whitesel

>|          James Brookes            |   jamesb@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu |


-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
"..there is another large cross section of users that think the Apple front
office is infested with morons and dimwits" - Ernie Moore, Project Apple Storm
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IIGS Drum Machine?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:33:15 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

devernay@taquilee.sophianet (Frederic Devernay,Thesard,C012,657830) writes:

>I know my GS can do many things, and I would like to use it as a

>DRUM MACHINE

>is there a program to do that, maybe with a nice interface?
>(commercial or public domain)
>if it does not exist i guess it would be a nice project to make one,
>and i may be part of this project. any ideas/proposals?
>thanks.
>---

that's a VERY good idea, and It's not too much of a huge project either. I'd
certainly get into this if I wasn't already gasping for free time and just
generally being busy...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: paw@ausom.oz.au (Peter Watson)
Subject: Re: Project Apple Storm
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:17:10 GMT
Reply-To: paw%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex) writes:

>Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>
>>It's interesting that A2-Central will no longer be an exclusively
>Apple2
>>outfit (when it starts its new newsletter).
>>
>>Philip
>>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
>
>
>    1).  A2-Central is the name of the magazine, Resource Central is
> the name of the company.  But that's not that big a deal, everyone
> knows what you meant.
>
>    2).  Resource Central stopped being an exclusively Apple II
> company about two years ago, when they started publication of
> HyperBole simultaneously for the IIgs and Macintosh.  Unfortunately,
> the magazine didn't survive (even though it got an Editor's Choice
> Award from A+/inCider -- I wonder how many of their other Editor's
> Choice selections are still being published/manufactured?).
>
>    ]['m not quite sure what new newsletter you're referring to, here,
> anyway.  Resource Central investigated another Macintosh hypermedia-
> based magazine a number of months ago, but the response was far less
> than satisfactory.  Maybe once the Macintosh version of HyperStudio
> is released....

Hey Luny, I've been hoping someone would give me a straight line like this:

The new Resource-Central magazine is called 'Fishhead's Children', which is
basically an inside joke for all us long-term Apple II'ers. Personally, I
think that it's only gonna take a few nanoseconds for the magazine to be
known as    'FID's Kids'    !    B-)

BTW, for those not subscibing to A2-Central who have not heard about this
new magazine, it's aim is to provide a real-world bridge for all the people
who have to work with more than one machine. Say PC's and Mac's at work,
and Apple II's at home. Or vice-versa. It probably will expect people to
know 'something' about one computer, but not about others.

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From: bill@pro-storm.cts.com (Bill Long, Sysop)
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Organization: ProLine [Pro-Storm] -- Dallas, TX -- 214/644-5113
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:44:47 CST

In <behrenss.724026918@hphalle6>
behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>>	Fax program is set to auto-answer, fax program checks
>>everyonce in a while to see if we have a ring on the line.  If so,
>>then it (possibly asking the user if it is ok first) picks up the
>>line, and then takes over the machine, receives the fax and then goes
>>back to waiting..
>
>Naww, don't ask the user ... and bg would be cool, too. I don't want
>to lose all my FAXes because the machine is not in FAX mode at the moment,
>I am asleep or at the movies, or just tied up or whatever :)

How about the NDA just has an on/off switch. If it's turned on and the phone
rings, the FAX program interrupts whatever you're doing and receives the FAX.
If it's turned off, then it ignores the call.

-B.L.

Internet: bill@pro-storm.cts.com          | GEnie: bill.long
    UUCP: crash!pro-storm!bill            |  Pro-Storm -+- Dallas, TX
  Bitnet: bill%pro-storm.cts.com@nosc.mil | 12/2400 baud - 214/644-5113
From: gasman@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: I'm sick of subject lines about that stupid apple storm thing
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 20:24:40 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

About 1 chip emulating others, I would expect that from none other than 
Nintendo, because they have a slight problem: They need a 32 bit CD 
system, and they have a 16 bit chip(65816). BTW, an interesting 
side-note: If you ever wondered why people cant just reverse-engineer 
SNES carts, it's simple: They are encoded with the same encryption scheme 
that the DEFENSE DEPARTMENT has! Eek!
Later,
        Gasman
P.S. I heard rumors, but I am not 100% sure: Is there a 65832?
Later,
        Gasman
*s

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From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: Re: pointless pointers?
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.175728.4676@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
>quality (etc etc) and now have this great urge to find lots of TrueType fonts. 

    The ccosun.caltech.edu FTP site has quite a good selection of them in
ShrinkIt format.  Some are in the pub/apple2/system/fonts/truetype directory
(the pathname might not be totally correct) and some are in the new Apple II
uploads directory.

>Any pointers and tips on converting Mac/IBM ones to my GS?  (Please don't tell
>me it's in the faq, please, pretty please?)

    Mac Truetypes = GS Truetypes.  You can even load them into Pointless
straight off an HFS floppy.  Of course, it's always better to copy them over
to your hard drive first.  There's a PD utility called TTConvert on the Mac
which will turn Windows 3.1 Truetype fonts (.TTF extension) into Macintosh
suitcases which then can be brought over to the GS.

>	Anyway, in one of my tests, using courier, part of one letter
>"infringed" on another letter (separated by a space), using a 12 point size. 

    Never happened to me in 1.01, and I haven't used Courier with 2.0 yet.
It doesn't happen with other fonts though (not to say Pointless isn't entirely
free of bugs... is there a 2.0.1?)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: Trashed Hard Disk
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:04:33 GMT

To all who have replied to my trashed hd message or sent me e-mail:

	Thanx!

	I've got it repaired already.  Didn't use any ProSel or
Deliverance, I simply copied all the files which are still intact to my
other partitions and initialized my first partition after zeroing it
with Advance.Disk.Util.  It appears to be working now.

	I don't think I want to install Taifun Boot anymore.  It messes
with the ProDOS file and System and Icons folders.

- DOTW -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sadamson@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (stuart.r.adamson)
Subject: Apple //e in the U.K.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:33:22 GMT
Summary: Where can Apple 2 cards be found.

Does anybody out there know how to get hold of RS232 or Teletext
cards for the Apple2 //e, in the U.K.?

I am interested in ftp'ing some of the software from Caltech edu but don't
have the means at the moment. The best we can do, sofar is to get it onto a
PC, then possibly to a CBM via an IEEE 488, and then a hack around with GCR
to get it to apple format. There must be an easier way.

As for the Teletext adapter, thats just interest value.




Thanks in advance


Stuart Adamson                                 AT&T Network Systems U.K. Ltd.
email: sadamson@mlsma.att.com                  Swindon Road Malmesbury, England
Fax : +44 666 82 4515                          Tel :+44 666 83 2037
From: carolb@pro-applebcs.UUCP (Carol Botteron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: How to Get Games?
Date: 10 Dec 92 21:00:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Proline [pro-applebcs] Boston Computer Society

Hi, I'm new here.  I don't have an Apple but my out-of-town relatives would
like some games (solitaire type especially) for their IIc.  Does the BCS Apple
group have a (recent) catalog of disks that people can buy?  If so, how do
I get it and is there an update list?  If not, is there some way to order
disks of shareware/freeware games?  aTdHvAaNnKcSe!
From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:40:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



>uld fix the costs to the replacement part, i.e. diagnostic software says
>IWM is bad, charge $50 + labor, not the part they use to replace it with!

Apple's diagnostic sfw doesn't check most of the chips in the machine.
It checks the memory, CPU, sound GLU and a few others.  If you want
something like an IWM replacement, the Tech. has to know enough about
the GS to guess that might be the problem and swap in a good one.

A


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From: co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: COdes for Tymnet/YTelenet
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:22:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Since they are public Data Networks that companies use for business I
don't think they would like anyone trying to hack them, infact SprintNet
(Telenet) gets very nasty.
.
.
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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: help on connecting GS & Mac
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:18:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In a post from Jay Krell he quoted Bieu Do:

>Or better yet, is there a way to partition a hard drive
>so that one volume boots up GS/OS and the other Mac/OS?
>I've installed the HFS FST in the GS but it doesn't seem to
>recognize a Mac-formatted hard drive.  And conversely, a Mac
>would not recognize a GS-formatted HFS drive.

This _has_ worked on my Mac Plus:

ON THE MAC... using MicroNet's hard drive utility (v5.2.2) I
created two hard partitions on a large drive.  The first was
set to 65536 blocks (32mb) the second to the remaining drive
space.  I then installed Mac System 7.0.1 etc. on the second
partition.

move the drive to the GS...

ON THE GS... erase the first partition to ProDOS (using the
Finder) and install GS System 6 on it.

The drive will now boot on either machine... (I strongly
suggest you power down the machines when moving SCSI cables :)

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works!
From: AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Taper Clip
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

What is used to play these binary files.  Thanks.
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: question about CPU operations
Date: 12 Dec 1992 12:46:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider) writes:

>Where can I get _The Apple II Circuit Description_?  Does anyone have
>a copy they'd be willing to part with?            Thanks,   Larry

It's a SAMS book, I believe. You might still be able to order it. Try your
library's reference section; I've been surprised at what ancient computer
books tend to lurk there.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
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