From: sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig)
Subject: Re: Prince of Tides: 0 for 7 (yes!)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:59:02 GMT

In article <7450@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> bohdan@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Apr6.184626.18648@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig) writes:
>
>>In article <librdb.702133668@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> librdb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Roy D. Berridge) writes:
>>> The most pleasing thing about the 64th Academy Awards is that
>>> The Prince of Tides was shut out!  Too bad we had to listen to
>>> all that crap about poor Barbra not being nominated because she's
>>> a woman.  She wasn't nominated because she sucks!  Poor
>>> thing. maybe now we will be spared her cinematic endeavors for a few	
>>> years. I guess we will still have to put up with that godawful
>>> voice, though.  Oh well, small price to pay.  
>
>>WHAT!!!!???!!  You must be a complete idiot!!  THE PRINCE OF TIDES was one of
>
>Cool it down, man. Roy didn't call anybody an idiot. It's really not polite
>to do so.
I'm a lot calmer now that you've mentioned it, thanks!  I just get sick and
tired of people slamming Barbra Streisand.  There are a lot of directors that
I personally dislike, I dislike their films and what they say in public, but
still i rarely go around insulting them for no apparent reason, unless asked.
What pisses me off(and yes, I get a little mad..:)) is that some people
criticize not because they have anything constructive to say, but because they
want to slam someone in the dirt.  That's why I GET MAD.  Yes, as you've pro
bably already noticed, I am a Barbra Streisand fan.  I think she is a gorgeous
woman, a wonderful singer, a talented and growing director and an interesting
personality.  I never said she is an amazing director, or that POT was a 
extraordinary movie(even though I thought it was darn good in comparison to a
lot of other shit I saw last year.) just that she, like any other human being
is learning, she is trying new things, not limiting herself.  She is ambitous,
maybe that is the thing most people hate abou her, she is an ambitious woman,
a woman who is not scared o take risks and do new and exciting things.  She
hasn't given a public concert since her last benefit at her house in 1987(I
believe.)  I seems she has gotten a little tired of only being known as a
singer.  She's tried acting and received an Oscar, and now maybe she enjoys
directing.  Who knows, next year she may take on basket weaving or mountain
climbing.  Leave her alone!!  If you think she sucks, don't go see her movies.
NO ONE IS FORCED to do so.  I personally despise Brian DePalma's work.  I've
seen 5 of his movies and disliked all of them, so I don't go to see his movies
often, but if I do, then I stay quiet about it if I dislike it.  I don't      
go around the NET slamming DePalma.  Do you all get my point?  
>
>>the most mature and insightful movie of the year.  Granted, it isn't a 
>
>Some critics called an ambitious soap, but still a soap. I agree (but 
>are soaps insightful?!?).
I don't personally watch a lot of soap operas.  But from what I think,
aren't soap operas often very much entertaining.  Many consider Chekov's
plays "soap operas", but still he's considered a great writer.  There is
nothing wrong with what we call "soap opera", or a melodramtic storyline,
except that everyone automatically identifies the words "soap opera" to those
cheezy thins seem on daytime television.  PLEASE.  
>
>>masterpiece, but so few movies were in 1991, definitely 
>>NOT SILENCE OF THE LAMBS!!  
>
>Really? How can you be so sure? Some people are decent enough to write "IMHO"
>(in my humble opinion, for your information).
>I don't believe the person I responded to about Barbra wrote IMHO either now,
did he???  Check it out!

>>As for directing...Barbra is eons better than Demme, and I'd rather hear her voice
>>than that boring ol' Demme and his "hums" and "uhs" and so forth.  
>>What a mentalidiot! I know 6th graders that have better public speaking 
>>skills than that troglodyte.
>
>Hm, I didn't like Demme's speech, but I wouldn't say that only a skilled
>orator makes a good director. I know a few artists who have a wonderful
>imagination, but are lousy speakers. But because of the later I wouldn't call
>them mentalidiots, troglodyte, etc. You are certainly overdoing with 
>insulting language.
I agree that a persons vocal abilities do not necessarily make he/she a good
or bad director.  However, COMMUNICATION is an important skill that a director
must possess.  I personally do not like Demme's style of communication in his
films, I find it convoluted, tricky, and quiet frankly SOL had way to much
blood for my taste, and MARRIED TO THE MOB was quiet cheezy(IMHO of course!!).
As for Barbra, I found her direcion both in Yentl and POT to be very intense,
with wonderful camera work, and interesting images that stayed in my mind.
I also think that Nick Nolte's performance was the best of his career in that
movie, and being an actor myself I know that a director can have a lot to do
with an actor's performance.  I also know that a director can have nothing to
do with an actor's performance.  However, I've seen Nolte in many roles and I
disliked him in all others(except NEW YORK STORIES-Scorcese, CAPE FEAR-Scorsese
and POT-Streisand)  OF COURSE ALL OF THIS IS IMHO.  (Ahh, I get so tired of
typing those 4 letters, I mean, sn't it obvious if I'm writing this that its
my opinion?  I don't know some people on this net are just weird..(IMHO!!)

  
and POT-Streisand).  >
>>I think Barbra Streisand was once more fucked over. (Yentl was an
>                                        ^^^^^^
>and here we go again--------------------' This man is really upset.
Yes I WAS VERY UPSET FOR THE REASONS I STATED ABOVE!
>
>>ambitious endeavor).  I'm sure that just because she didn't win an oscar, that
>>doesn't mean she'll stop doing what she wants to do.  She has the money and
>
>That's the problem with this world. Money isn't distributed in a right way,
>and as the result wrong people have to much of it.
>AND WHO ARE YOU TO CONSIDER STREISAND the wrong person.  Please!  Get a grip.
I guess you suppose YOU should get this money and make, I'm sure, wonderful films on your first try, good luck hotshot!

>>the talent to do what she pleases to.  I'm sure she will soon direct another
>>movie and it will be even better than the other two.  She may not  be an 
>
>To be a little malignant now, I have to agree. After all it's hard to make
>something worse than POT. Just kidding.
I know your kidding, and to a certain degree moi aussi, but I still think POT
was above average for 1991.(IMHO !!)
>
>>amazing director, but so few people really are in their first tries.  Give her
>>some time, in a few more years and a few more tries she might be considered the
>>best woman director in Hollywood.  And believe me, Hollywood needs one.  
>
>I'm not sure Hollywood needs the best woman or the best	man director. It
>simply needs good directors. And it has quite a few. I wouldn't mind if the
>best director was from Mars and had no sex at all.
>
>Bohdan
>
>Ps. Take it easy, man.
I agree with you.  I didn't mean that she needs to strive to be THE BEST, but
look around, are there ANY women directors getting nominated making movies, 
etc?  Please don't slam one of the few that actual gets a movie to the mainstream!!  I can think of Penny Marshall, and that's about it.  Nora Ephron directed
a movie this year, but who else?  I would certainly like to see more films by
women, and yes, by Streisand, rather than more Terminators of Commando's directed by men with only violence and guts on their
minds!  As for me, thanks for the comment, thanks to you I am taking things a lot easier.  Thanks a bunch, Bohdan!!   NOT!

			-Stefan
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