HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ssurgui@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Scott Surguine)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Mike Royko: Schwarzenegger and Family Values
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:17:23 GMT
Distribution: comp.unix.admin comp.unix.bsd

In article <1992Sep29.144840.10335@midway.uchicago.edu>  
shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse) writes:
> In article <28SEP92.22145685@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu  
writes:

In Response To A Post RE: Mike Royko's Sunday Column The ever Brilliantly
Intuitive Roger Shouse States...
 
> What a completely nonsensical view.  Take note:  Arnold was playing a
> _bad guy_.  In the end, he gets killed by the _good guys_.  I know this
> is a hard concept to grasp among those who have a hard time telling the
> difference, but still it's an important one.

FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!!!!!  WHAT WISDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget the fact that VIOLENT CRIMES in AMERICA ARE UP DRAMATICALLY!!!!!!
Let's forget the fact that Men and Women get killed mutilated and 
grossly dismembered in this film.  Forget the fact that people get their
heads torn off and Arnold shits down what's left of thier torso.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This is a bad guy who EVENTUALLY gets killed by the good guys.
Wow!!!!  Why Arnold could have raped, tortured, and mutilated your
Little Sister VERY GRAPHICALLY in this film.  But as long as the good
guys come riding in with their white hats on ITS NO PROB...

Is It Just Me? or Do All Reagan Republican's collectively have an IQ
In the single digit range... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


> -- 
> Roger Shouse
> The University of Chicago 		Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Tom.Cavender@f2020.n112.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Cavender)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: call 1-800-925-1300 if you want Perot to run
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:40:29 GMT

In <1992Sep29.190346.2694@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:


>Subject says it all - this number was announced by Perot
>last night on CNN. He asked people to call it if they want
>him to run for President. Over 500,000 calls were logged
>in the first 30 minutes and over a million calls by this 
>morning.

>If you plan to call, call before Thursday.

>If you are undecided, read his book UNITED WE STAND, a current
>bestseller on the NY Times Bestseller list. It also has been posted
>in alt.politics.elections.

>Joe
>joec@morgan.com

>Usual disclaimers...


Yeah, but only call the number if you WANT the guy to run. A number of the
callers dialed the number thinking they could voice their opinion over
whether  they wanted him to run.  This is not the case.  All calls are
recorded as support.  There is no number to register one's lack of support.

Ross clearly wants to hear but one answer.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Mr Bush or Pres. Bush?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:23:28 GMT

stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
>jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>>Wouldn't it be just like the Democrat Party to play subliminal semantic
>>games like this!
>
>Oh you mean the way that Bush couldn't even say the word "Clinton" intil
>a couple of weeks ago? Come on people nobody has a monopoly on dirty tricks
>during a campaign. If anything they both use the same tricks over and over
>on each other. There is no moral high ground during a campaign, just once
>in a while one side will be lower then the other.

I guess my joke was a little too subliminal. I was alluding to the
infantile Republican game of dropping the "ic" from Democratic, as in
"Democrat Party," or "Democrat Convention," or "Democrat leadership."

It will be so much nicer when the Executive Branch Republicans are sent
back to the private sector where they belong come next January, but in
the meantime we have to suffer through their death throes of name-calling,
McCarthyism, homophobia, religious wars, etc.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: Tom.Cavender@f2020.n112.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Cavender)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: polls, endorsements,
Date: 18 Sep 92  18:08:00 EST

-> The republicans have achieved success in the last three prez.
-> elections by effective use of images and media control
-> (remember the famous "issue of the day").  Unfortunately for
-> them, GB is just not RR:  this election, unlike 1988, there
-> is no longer an aura of The Great Communicator around George.
-> And the format of the debate-that-never-was just left
-> too much to chance for republican strategists. Agreed.  GB doesn't have a clue as to how to articulate a message. This, of course, is subordinate to the question of whether or not GB has a message to begin with...

-> Hey, does this mean that there will be no Gore / Quayle
-> debate?  I am looking forward to this one:  it should
-> be the funniest thing on TV since Mystery Science Theater 3000. Jay Leno had a great line on this a couple of months ago: "Looking forward to the Gore-Quayle debate?  Kind of like watching the Dream Team play Lithuania again."

Pax,

<<<Tom Cavender>>>

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:49:47 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.) writes:

[Mr. Hall does not name the poster whom he is addressing.]

: "If there has turned up any solid evidence that a partially
: developed fetus (like 12 weeks or less) is conscious and aware, then I
: would
: agree that it is indeed a child.  Otherwise, my fine friend, your
: posting is a prime example of fascist bullshit."
: 
: Allow me to take this from another perspective -- has anyone ever
: proven that a partially developed fetus is NOT alive? Allow me answer
: that -- no, nobody ever has. Therefore, it is entirely POSSIBLE -- not
: certain, mind you -- that aborting a fetus MAY be taking a life. Is
: society not supposed to err on the side of caution? 

It is also _equally_ possible that aborting a fetus MAY NOT be taking
a life.  As far as "society" erring on the side of caution, how do
you define society, and what gives the government authority to dictate
on behalf of society?

: If there is a
: possibility we are commiting genocide, shouldn't society listen to the
: better angels of their nature and put a stop to it? Just a thought.

I'd love to see how you are equating abortion with genocide.  Unless
you can provide evidence that by legalizing abortion, the U.S. is
systematically eliminating one or more specific races/ethnic groups,
I say that your claim is unsubstantiated and ludicrous!  No U.S. government
supported genocide has taken place within the U.S. since the government
(and regular citizens) stopped hunting Native Americans.

Be careful how you choose your words.  A wrong choice of words can make
you look like an idiot.

: "I feel that the legalized killing of aware, thinking human beings is
: far more atrocious than abortion, byseveral orders of magnitude."
: 
: Excuse me, but are you NUTS? Are you saying that the execution of
: individuals who (most would say) DESERVE to be put to death for
: committing crimes unimaginably heinous is more atrocious than the
: killing of an unborn child, who is the quintessence of innocence? I see
: a problem with your logic, my friend.

Um, friend?  Who are you to say that any person should live or die.
I don't think you have any place to be saying that any person "DESERVES"
to be put to death.  Oh?  You are a "right-to-life-except-in-certain-
circumstances" person?  That explains it.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush cowardice? I think not (RE More Bush Cowardice)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:58:05 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct2.015704.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.033931.24538@u.washington.edu>, olshen@biostat.washington.edu (Adam Olshen) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.210646.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>>> How can we look up to a President who was afraid to defend his country? 
>> 
>> Were we attacked?  If so, I missed it.
>
>Hmm... Adam, buddy, I think you completely missed the point. You see, the
>United States hasn't been invaded since the Spanish American war... what I was
>talking about OBVIOUSLY is Clinton's DODGING OF THE DRAFT! In your 24 years, do
>you remember Vietnam?

We were invaded during the Spanish American War?  News to me....
Unless we considered the Philipines and Cuba ours to start with....

The last time a real battle was fought on American soil was during
the Indian wars of the late 19th C.  The Civil War if you consider
big armies.  The last foreign invaders, the British in the War of 1812.

>That's right, we had a WAR in the sixties, that Mr.
>Clinton seemed to have convienlently missed. That is what I was referring to.

Michael Kinsley noted that irony was lost on the Republicans.

>What sort of leader believes that his following is second rate? If Mr.
>Clinton cannot believe in me or the abilites of the people of this nation then
>I CANNOT believe in him. And nor should anyone else. I hope this helped. Try to
>follow a little closer next time.

Jonothan Kozol in _Savage Inequalities_ had an interesting point, at
least in regards to educational funding.  He noted that conservatives,
when they argue that poor schools should not be funded because we do
not have enough money to help all our children, are constructing a
more pessimistic vision of America than the liberal who believes that
our country is wealthy and idealistic enough to guarantee a decent
start for all our kids.

>Here endith the lesson.

Indeed.


--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: 1992 REPUBLICAN PLATFORM (1/5)
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 20:36:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

>...and the Democrats'...well...
>someone else introduced the term "bread and circuses,"

Ah, but in our modern, blow-dried, John Scully high-tech corporatism
world, we have food stamps and "Piss Christ"...

>not to mention
>that the Democrats' platform supports publicly funded abortions.
>(I may be pro-choice, but I do have limits to that philosophy....)

Wrong.  The Democrats, not you, are hypocrites to call themselves
"pro-choice".

>...it was a Republican presidential candidate
>who was calling for a kindler, gentler nation four years ago.

duckspeak plusgood

>Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)
>Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.com  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Mr Bush or Pres. Bush?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:51:43 GMT
Keywords: tweedle-dum, tweedel-dummer

sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>Ooops.  I'm apparently getting over-anxious at the thought of
>removing the Bushman from office.  He really has about 3 1/2 
>months left before he has to leave the White House and
>move back to Houston (*snicker*).
>

Repeat the Clinton/Gore campaign mantra: 

I will not get over-confident...
     I will not get over-confident...
          I will not get over-confident...

followups to alt.wine.champagne

----
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Is Perot In?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:28:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:

>Well, his news conference should be about over - is he or isn't
>he?  Enquiring minds want to know...

He's back, with his vice-president by his side.  I am sure the
people over at slick willy's camp are kicking their garbage cans
around the office.

IMO, the only one he will hurt in the end is slick willy.  If Perot
running will do anything to the whole debate/issues mess remains to
be seen.


-- 
---------------------------------
     David De Trolio
---------------------------------
(detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Mike Royko: Schwarzenegger and Family Values
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 SEP 92 00:29:15 GMT


In a previous article, shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse) wrote:
>In article <28SEP92.22145685@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>The columnist had an amusing editorial the other day. The general point
>>involved the irony of the chairman of the President's Council for Physical
>>Fitness making movies in which he (Schwarzenegger, not the Presid) breaks
>>into police stations and uses an automatic weapon to mow down officers.
> 
>What a completely nonsensical view.  Take note:  Arnold was playing a
>_bad guy_.  In the end, he gets killed by the _good guys_.  I know this
>is a hard concept to grasp among those who have a hard time telling the
>difference, but still it's an important one.
> 
Nonsensical? The point is, when some kid sees the Terminator movies, he 
may or may not recognize the ultimate moral of the plot, but the Arnold
he sees in public (endorsing Bush) will STILL be the actor who portrayed
a gun-wielding character, whether or not the character was good or bad.

-				|   "Don't torture yourself, Gomez.
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    That's my job."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- Morticia Addams
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Subject: Howard Phillips info desperately needed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:14:00 GMT

Is there anywhere on the net where I can find information on the Howard
Phillips campaign?  I have very little information at present and am
trying to deal with requests for more information with what little I
have.  Also, does anyone know of a new phone number for their
headquarters?  The number I have (1-800-2-VETO-IRS) appears to have been
disconnected.  Thanks in advance for any help.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Party Registration
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:17:03 GMT

In article <2578@tymix.Tymnet.COM>,
>In article 13701@cbnews.cb.att.com, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>Simple question:
>
>Often people will say "I'm a registered Republican" or Democrat, Independent,
>whatever.
>
>But I can't remember ever registering as the member of a party. I'm looking
>at the Ohio voter registration form right now and nowhere is there any
>question about party affiliation.
>
>So how do all these people "register?"

According to Rich Winger at Ballot Access News, in Ohio you specify
the party you want to belong to when you vote in your first
primary.  He thinks you may have to sit out one primary if you want
to change parties, but there might be some procedure or form
separate from registration which allows you to change parties.
The only totally accurate answer is that you really need to check
with your local registrar of voters or the Secretary of State's
office for your state.

/June
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Re: I HEARD ROSS PEROT WILL BE BACK
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:31:41 GMT

In article <Bvnv42.17n@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe <== ieeee!  that's me) writes:
>
>The United States, on the other hand, supplied large amounts of
>war material, intelligence, and merchant marine to aide the
                                                    ^^^^
>British Empire commencing before the fall of France.  This aide,
                                                            ^^^^

Hmm.  Guess I either forgot the (), or have seen too much of
Dan Quayle...

:^)

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: PEROT CAN WIN!
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:45:27 GMT

Here's how:

1. Oct 28: Rapture.
2. What's left of the Christian Coalition (around 98% :)
   is too freaked to vote. Bush loses hefty chunk of support.
3. Clinton gets Raptured (ok, sure :)
4. Ross is President! Executes program of global PAIN!
   hahaahahahahaahahahahahah 

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Xref: sparky alt.politics.elections:14809 alt.politics.bush:7361 alt.politics.clinton:8003
From: pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: 1992 Voter's Lament  (Or, Why I'm 'Voting for Bush')
Date: 1 Oct 1992 00:50:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless)
NNTP-Posting-Host: corless-mac.cisco.com

In response to post:
From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: 1992 Voter's Lament  (Or, Why I'm 'Voting for Bush')

>    1992 VOTER'S LAMENT
>   (Or, Why I'm 'Voting for Bush')
>    -----------------------------
> 
> Although Bush and Quayle
> Will Surely Fail,
> Clinton and Gore
> Scare Me More.
> 
> So I'll Hold My Nose
> And Look Away,
> When I 'Vote for Bush'
> On Election Day.

What a strange meter. And somehow, in the second stanza, you
got "Nose" coupled with "Bush."

I knew I smelled something wierd... ;-)

-Peter.

"Four more MONTHS, four more MONTHS!"


Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.censorship
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: call your Mommy  (was 1-800...)
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:30:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: utarlg.uta.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <168768E79.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes...

>This number is a fraud.  My wife called to say she did *not* want Perot
>to run.  The number was answered by a computer-voice which thanked her
>for her support and informed her that her call would be tallied in
>support of Perot's decision to run.

I've been amazed at how many people can't follow simple directions
on the net. ;-)

To be fair though. That night Larry King annouced on a radio interview
by Jim Bohanan (after the TV show) that the number was for taking 
recordings. 

>Jim McMaster

-- Stephen    "Consider the source."
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Top 10 questions to ask Bush on Larry King
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:00:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) says:

>Bush is going to reappear on Larry King Live Wed. WITH PHONE CALLS:
>
>so i thought we should compile the top ten questions we would
>love to ask him Wednesday night:
>
>1. Any truth to the rumor that you plan on replacing Dan Quayle with
>   Howard Stern?

2. Are pork rinds _really_ your farorite food?
>
>any others? sorry, i gotta get back to work...
>
>-- 
>-- Pat Monardo
>-- pjm@cshl.org
>
-- 
"In universities, it is forbidden     |  "Personally, my politics are so far
to teach nonsense. But the _history_  |  to the right, I consider Paul Revere
of nonsense -- that's scholarship!"   |  to be a pinko."
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Subject: Latest Potatoe Poll
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:17:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division


The canary continues to weaken...


The latest statewide poll in Idaho was conducted between Friday 
the 25th and Sunday the 27th of September.  816 registered voters 
who said they are likely to vote were polled.  The results:

	In a two way race		In a three way race
	=================		===================

	Bush	   41%			Bush	   35%
	Clinton    42%			Clinton    37%
	Undec.     17%			Perot	   15%
					Undec.	   13%

        Margin of error:  3.5%


This represents a 2% point GAIN for Clinton since the last 
poll a month ago.

This also shows that Perot does not really make a difference 
in the race when he is included - he appears to take equally 
from the other two.

Although the race is a statistical dead heat with a large 
block of undecided, the GOP should not be having a hard 
time in this very conservative state.
From: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Waste of time!
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:12:46 GMT
Reply-To: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, afarquha@cs1.uct.ac.za (A J Farquharson) says:

>To us here in South Africa it seems as though the American elections are a 
>waste of time.  You spend so much money on trying to elect either Bush or 
>Clinton, when in actual fact nobody really 
>cares!                             Simpson, Bart
>

Yeah, I always look to South Africa for advice about how to run a democracy,
so this remark really hurt.  A.J. is right.  I think we should limit the
vote to people who live east of the Mississipi and north of the Ohio, so it
won't take so much time, countin' all them votes.
-- 
Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) 2L Case Western Reserve Law School
"The Fanaticks have always had a way of affecting to run into Per-
secution, and count vast Merit upon every little Hardship they suffer."
^ J. Swift.  "Factum clarum, jus nebulosum."  Rex v. Haddock.