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From: roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard K. Roitman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: College Basketball 1991/92
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:18:12 GMT
Reply-To: roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard K. Roitman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.basketball.college, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>This has been a poor year for college basketball.
>
>Ashard as the media has tried to paint Duke as the clandestined team, Duke
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
***What the heck does that mean?  I thought clandestine meant something
done in secrecy.  Duke certainly hasn't done anything in secrecy.  Or
have I missed something?

> The level of play that Duke is
>showing is not what I have come to expect from a Championship  calibre team.

***I expect a "championship calibre" team to win and Duke has certainly
done that.  They've won at home and on the road, against the good teams
and the not so good.  What else do you want?

>Hurley plays great one night, Laettner another,

***and Grant Hill another, and Thomas Hill another...Another thing the
great teams do.  Everyone is not going to play well every night.  Ther
great teams are deep enough that someone steps in (and in some cases
steps it up a notch, hows that for a cliche) when someone is having
an off night.


>Michigan gets to the final game because they have great atheletes, and the
>NCAA is too weak to stop them.  You'd think a reasonably atheletic team with

***the NCAA doesn't try to stop any team, with the possible exception
of UNLV.

>It's a poor year when a team that starts 5 freshmen gets to the final game.
>
>It's a terrible year when a team repeats as natioal champions.

    ***Again, how can you even say such a thing?

>It's a pathetic year when a team repeats, but not even playing like a champion-
>ship calibre team.

    ***Any team that wins a national championship in any sport, at any
level is by definition playing like a champion.  A team doesn't win
six games in this tournament just by luck, OK maybe one (as in Kentucky)
but to say that Duke isn't playing championship caliber basketball is
just showing your ignorance of the game.

>Mike
>--

Rick Roitman
roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Organization: Brigham Young University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 11:37:34 MST
From: <ISSGTT@BYUVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Officiating

The officiating in this years NCAA's has raised some eyebrows for sure.
However, I don't personally feel that any team has been screwed out of
the tournament because of it.  I think that the NCAA is the group that's
causing all of the problems with all of their political bull.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Gritter's Purdue Hoop Scoop
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:31:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Apr14.120258.25349@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
}} 
}} Travis might be a good find for a smaller division I school, ala Indiana
}} State, Butler, even Evansville.

That was exactly what Carl and I thought last night.  Imagine him at a
Cincinnati or a UMASS!!!.  He's a great athlete, he just needs some
direction from a coach with patience.

Someone else mentioned that Travis disappeared at the end of the
season.  It's hard to contribute from the bench.  Whether he was
sitting because he wasn't contributing or the other way around is a
chicken-and-egg question.

}} Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

sjc@cs.purdue.edu             Steve Chapin             Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: # 1 All Season
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:18:26 GMT

burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:

>In article <17711@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>
>>Duke started the season as #1 team, stayed as #1 team throughout the 
>>season, and finished as #1 team, while playing a tough schedule.  That, 
>>itself, is remarkable.

>	Just out of curiosity, how many teams in the post-UCLA
>	era have been rated # 1 all year long AND won the title?
>	I don't believe that UNLV was # 1 all year long in 1989-90,
>	were they?  And they were rated # 1 all year long in
>	1990-91 but failed to win the title.

	UNLV was rated #2 the year they won the title -- Oklahoma had the honor
	of being ranked #1 (and they ended up losing in the 2nd round of the
	tourney to North Carolina).  I think the only team in the post-UCLA
	era that was ranked all season at #1 was the 1982 North Carolina Tar
	Heels, with Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc...

	Jazzy J
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke Tourney Observations
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:28:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr10.142835.2689
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <2319@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>2) It was interesting that Duke ended up playing two teams that had freshmen
>that Duke was heavily recruiting.  (Chris Webber and Alan Henderson)  After
>watching them this season, and particularly after the recent games, I would
>have to say that I wish Henderson had gone to Duke, but not Webber.  Frankly,
>I think Webber's hotdogging/whining/ballhogging/poor shot selection would
>just not have played with Coach K, and I don't think there would have been
>enough room on the court for his and Christian's ego.  Of course, there are
>those fans who might say that Webber's whining would have fit in perfectly
>on Duke! :-)  On the other hand, Henderson is a tough rebounder, scorer 
>and defender who seems to prefer doing his job than jawing.  When I saw
>him in an all-star game, he seemed a little too flashy, but this guy
>can work.  I look forward to seeing Webber and Henderson battle for the 
>next 3 years.

You can also add Glen Robinson into that category.  He's got a Webber build
and beat Alan Henderson out for the Indiana High School Championship (no
stupid class system) and the title of Mr. Basketball.  Most recruiting
gurus had him 2nd behind Webber in the whole country.  Unfortunately, he
sat out this year as a prop-48.  If he comes around quickly, we'll have an
interesting 3-way battle there.

-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:00:36 GMT
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
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swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>There's a triangle region in North Carolina that is marked by the three 
>universities (Duke, NCSU & UNC), each university not being more than 
>ten miles from each other.
>
>Other than the campus of UCLA (10 trophies), is there any other region 
>that can boast that many trophies?

Well, I can't beat the ten-mile radius........but if you give me a one
hour travel radius, I can come up with:

	Lexington, KY -- Kentucky (5 titles)
	Louisville, KY -- Louisville (3 titles)
	Cincinnati, OH -- Cincinnati (2 titles)

While we're dwelling in the realm of trivia, here's one for you.  Kentucky
is the only team to win the NCAA, NIT, and Olympic titles in the same year.


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From: n5pph307.bnr.ca (Bill Hengeveld)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Michigan game: the last few minutes
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:54:09 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc.

In article <17956@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
> 
> I re-watched the tape of the Duke-Michigan game last night.  It was
> interesting that Michigan was only 3 points behind with about 7 minutes
> to go, and about 5 or 7 points with 3 minutes left.  Then the game ended
> with Duke winning by 20 points.
> 
> I just wonder if Michigan did the right thing in fouling in the last
> few minutes, considering that Duke is a great free-throw-shooting team
> and fast break team.  Would it have been better if Michigan had just 
> let the time run out and lose by about 5 points, rather than to have 
> the 20-point loss engraved permanently in history?
> 
> Furthermore, shouldn't there be a rule against intentional fouling in
> the last three minutes of the game?  Sometimes the last three minutes 
> seem forever and ever.  The last three minutes of game time often translate 
> into 15 minutes of real time.
> 
> 
> Any comment?
> 
One of the purposes behind getting rid of the one-and-one after 10 fouls 
was to shorten the last minutes of a game.  Coaches, being who they are,
still had players foul as a 'last resort' tactic and games still ran too long.
The talk now is to not only give the two free throws, but also get the ball
back (in other words make it a true intentional foul) in the last 2 or 3
minutes of a game.  This may work but my bet is that coaches will still
figure out a way to prolong the game.  

Bill Hengeveld
Northern Telecom
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Forecast on Big8(was Re: preseason top 10 - no order)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:33:03 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


 (Jazzy J ) writes:

>	It's probably going to be a toss-up of who's going to be #1,
>	Kansas or Michigan.  I thought Kansas would have been #1 easy --
>	but with Michigan's performance in the tourney, it will probably get
>	them some votes.  In terms of their performance, I don't think that
>	KU will let their ranking get to their heads -- they're going to be
>	too good of a team.
>

I'd like to make a case for the Duke blue devils as contenders for the
top spot next season. Their bizzare performance in the FF indicates
that the departure of Laettner & Davis may not be as devastating
as it looks. I call it bizzare 'cause you expect your seniors to 
carry the team in the FF yet Davis was severely limited by an
ankle sprain and Leattner was more of a liability in vboth games.
He almost threw the michigan game away in the first half. 7 turnovers,
that's 14 potential points, not to mention going, what, 2 for zillion
from the field? It was Great Hill and Bobby Hurley that carried Duke
to the mountain top with lots of help from the underclassmen. All
these guts are back next year. 
They won't be preseason #1. They'll need some time to adjust and
come together but they just might be #1 when the dust settles, 
again.

-- 
THREEPEAT
From: bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Former Kentucky Mr. Basketball players
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:36:11 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>	1991: Jermaine Brown		Fairdale		Tennessee

>	1989: Alan Houston		Ballard			Tennessee

Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!   These guys are traitors.  Tennessee of all places!!!
They should not be allowed back in the state.



Bryan

Kentucky born and living in a Kentucky state of mind.
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:04:16 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

(ARON PILHOFER) writes:
>
>And I guess Rantz wouldn't be so bad if he didn't start on those hokey 
>cliches. He actually said:
>
>With Jalen Rose on the foul line: "It's not the first time a Rose was on the 
>line for a Michigan team." GODDAMN!
>
>Pointed out this fun fact: "Coincidentally, all the fab five were born in 
>1973 -- the last year a team repeated as national champion!" Gosh! I if I 
>had known that before the tourny, I woulda picked Mich all the way.
>
>We can only hope that CBS either sacks these two or ESPN buys them out in 
>the near future ... but then we'd have to listen to Valvano!?!?

I'm geting real tired with all you guys bithcing and whining about
everything that moves. No sportscaster and no network is good enough 
for you. Picking on defenseless sports announcers is a safe way
to post something without getting flamed. Well, not anymore.
It's not easy to talk two straight hours with commentary and
fill the voids when a guy goes to the foul line. So they use
a few cliches and state the obvious sometimes. Big deal.
Overall, these announcers are very knowledgable in many sports
and help pump excitment into the NCAA basketball.

Give it a rest.


-- 
THREEPEAT
From: dtk@teer30.acpub.duke.edu (DEVENDRA KUMAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU/DUKE Officals
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:52:27 GMT

Since a lot has been said about how officiating cost IU the game, remember this. 
IU was killing Duke in the first half and it was a second half defensive surge
(the best I've ever seen them on defense) that won the game for Duke, not the
officiating.  Also, not all the calls were against IU.  There were two atrocious
charging fouls called on Lang and G. Hill (the one on Hill being one of the worst
I've seen in a while) and one foul at the end on Clark which should have been
intentional (the IU player grabbed him around the waist and threw him off the
court).  These fouls helped IU give Duke the last minute fits that it did.
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.110201.5758
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr7.134218.6803@ncsu.edu> sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia) writes:
>This'll never happen as Charlotte doesn't have enough room under the salary
>cap, and they don't have a lot of people they can unload/deal with i.e no one
>really wants J.R.
>
>Gidi, the idiot that ones the Hornets is George Shinn.  And, yeah, he is stupid
>enough to think that Laettner can play center and draft him...

Why are you all expecting this to happen?  Even if Charlotte ends up with
the worst record in the league, they get 11 lottery tickets put in a pot of
66 total tickets.  (For you that don't know, the NBA has the 11 teams that
don't make the playoffs enter a lottery for the top draft pick.  The worst
team gets 11 chances, the second worst 10, etc...)  In the math that I
learned, that is only a 1/6 chance.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:00:11 CDT
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.220817.5835@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>>[...] try to get the attention
>>of a bunch of college athlets by yelling "well gosh golly shucky darn,
>>fellas! I'm so mad I could yell poop!" Well okay, granted you may get
>>their attention, but...
>
>There once was a college coach who never *ever* uttered a profanity.
>When he would get really mad he would say ``Gracious Sakes Alive!''
>Still, he got his players' attention enough to win 10 championships.
>
>Of course, that was out in California.  Maybe in the Midwest attention
>spans are shorter and profanities are necessary.

The funny thing, Gidi, is that the coach you mentioned was from the
Midwest, possibly from Martinsville, Indiana.  Furthermore, a lot of his
players were not from California - I can remember quite a few that were
from New York City, or again from the Midwest, even Indiana.  I don't think
your theory holds any water, unless the California lifestyle instantly
increases people's attention spans.  No, wait a minute, if anything the
California lifestyle leads to shorter attention spans.  I don't know how
many California residents I've heard whine about being "locked up" in the
Midwest.  Once again, this doesn't make sense.

Your point would have been well taken had you not tried to rationalize it.
And just when you were going to get some "Innovative Poster" votes...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: duke bashing: please give it a rest
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.201008.6907@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker) writes:
>
>I agree 100%.  The fouls in the championship game was 17 to 13.  Duke only 
>got 4 less fouls.  

One reason I seldom look at foul stats after a game is because of the
losing team's "intentional" (unofficial) fouls the last couple of
minutes. If your numbers are correct and I'm sure they are Duke may have 
been whistled for more fouls during the game than Mich. before the
desparation fouling started.
RC 
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From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: mark my words
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:51:24 GMT


i said michigan would win over duke.  mark my words.

now, by 20 or so points, i was wrong.  i will eat those words.

munch, munch, munch...  yeach!  bleah.
'twas a great year of hoops.

congrats to duke.






















again.

gb

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From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison)
Subject: Re: Othella Harrington
Keywords: Hoorayy we're back on the list
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:23:35 GMT

burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:

>Nelson Jordan writes:
>>Mark "Beren" Jamison writes:
>>>
>>>BTW- I'm not all that hopeful when It get's down to the facts,
>>>	the purple and gold are a bit too free with their money
>>>	to see him go anywhere else..
>>
>>   As it should be- Dale and $- who could ask for anything more?

>Well, how about a coach who can teach a team to shoot freethrows?
>Harrington will never be a star until he learns to shoot his
>free throws.

>*ack*whoompf!*

Oh T-Bone Mr. Harrington already Shoots those at an 85% Clip, and he gets 
a bundle too..

But on the blast Dale brown side, How about a coach that Teaches his
players anything with respect to basketball?? You know those
simple things, like Defense and ball Handling..

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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Keywords: Kaufman, Keefe, Thomas, Michael, Wheeler, Pierce...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:21:37 GMT

For those of you who are wondering why Richard Keene pick UI over Duke.
A friend of mine talked to Keene's friend and found out that he decided
to come here because of his girlfriend. (yes, she goes here too). 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Wolfpack Fans
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:05:40 GMT

Is it me, or are these wolfpack fans starting to get on people's
nerves? ONE CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH UPPER CASE CHILDISH COMMENTS. So do
us all a favor and grow up or get off the net... 


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| Marc Tremblay                  |  There's no time    |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  like the pleasant  |
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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:21:09 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Laettner got his awards for two major reasons.  
1. He plays for the team rated #1 all season--and Shaq got it last year.
You can bet many sportscasters felt less pressure to make Shaq POY 2 years
in a row.

2. Laettner is white. The next NBA great white hope.

Roy
luv u 2 dookies
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: IU Gets Rematch with Congress Help?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:32:38 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>No one is that big of a doofus.

When the words "Indiana" and "doofus" appear in the same posting, I
just have to think of that memorable discussion on Cheers -- between
Kevin McHale and Woody -- about the relative doofusness of Hanover and
French Lick.


--Gidi
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:25:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <craig.702762859@sibelius> craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>
>
>>That's right, Moo-Moo.  You have to drive a whopping 80 miles from Lexington
>>to reach the University of Louisville campus.  That makes it practically on 
>>the other side of the world!
>
>Of course that extra 50 miles cost UK Cliff Rozier, I guess you should
>not take someone to a party on the other side of the world :-).
>
>Craig Simpson        | "Let me tell you a little bit about

Quite right, and it shows that the NCAA can be awfully petty when it
comes to setting rules and limits to recruiting practices.

Just how taking a recruit 30 miles from campus (which is the current
NCAA limit, I believe) constitutes good and fair recruiting practices,
but taking him 80 somehow allows certain schools to gain advantages
over others, isn't entirely clear.  Going to Louisville for a Kentucky
Derby party is something that lots of folks in the state (and outside
the state) do as a matter of course, the same way folks go to Mardi
Gras and Macy's parades and Balloon Fiestas and lots of other regional
events.  

I don't know what a "reasonable" distance would be (I guess maybe
I'd have problems if schools started flying their recruits to Hawaii
or Puerto Rico), but arguing about such short distances (e.g. 1-1.5
hours driving time) seems terribly pedantic and picayune.

If a recruit was visiting a Philadelphia school, and the coaches or
players wanted to hop a quick train up to NYC to see a game at
Madison Square Garden, that's well over 80 miles, and I wouldn't
see that as being an unfair advantage.  But I guess that's why
(among other reasons) I'll never be the Chief Executive of the 
NCAA.  

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