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From: elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Yuri Villanueva)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:15:46 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:

> 
> I must admit I'm starting to enjoy these "Greatest All-Time" and "Favorite" 
> threads, so I'm starting another one.  :-)   The question is, What is your
> favorite piano concerto?
> 
> And a very important sub-question: What's your favorite *Beethoven* piano 
> concerto?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know...

It might not count, but one of my all time favorites is Bach's Brandenburg
Concerto #5 - just simply awesome.  Same goes for the rest of his Clavier
Concertos.  As far as real piano concertos go, naming just one is very very
hard - it might depend on the day of the week, etc.  Anyway, here are a few
of my faves:

Mozart 9, 20, 21, 23, 27, Concert Rondo in D, etc.
Beethoven (All of them) - my favorite is #4
Prokofieff 1, 3

Honorable mention goes to Chopin 1 & 2 and Brahms 2.  Sometimes I like to
listen to these.  Every once in a while, Schumann.  My least favorites are

Rachmaninoff (All including 'Rhapsody...')
Franck Symphonic Variations
Saint Saens (Any)
McDowell
Grieg

I can't believe I actually used to like these concertos.  Blecchhhh!
My professor actually tried to convince me to learn one of these.  I told
her that I don't think I should waste my time with them.  Maybe if I start
liking these again.  I seriously doubt it will happen, but maybe.  Oh yeah,
I forgot one - Liszt (any music for piano and orchestra) - yuck!  Never
liked 'em, and I don't think I ever will.  Good for showing off though.

As far as survey purposes go, for today, my vote goes for Bach Brandenburg
Concerto #5.  If that don't count, then count me for Mozart #27.  Maybe you
ought to post the results of your survey.  As you said, inquiring minds wanna
know...
From: PONDER@TUCVM5.VNET.IBM.COM (John D. Ponder)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:52:58 MST
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: .MID files

Can anyone point me to the best places to find FTP-able .MID song files for
classical music, particularly for piano and organ (Chopin, Lizst, Beethoven,
Bach)?

Please reply to PONDER@TUCVM5.VNET.IBM.COM.

Thanks much!!
-- John Ponder
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From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Looking for Classical Wedding Music
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<mixterhp-181292150616@152.10.11.116> <1992Dec18.212536.11183@sco.com>
	<i6ibj24@Unify.Com>
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:37:04

In article <i6ibj24@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:

>These are all fine and dandy, but I believe Mr. Crawford had said in his
>original post that the church allows classical music ONLY if it is sacred.
>Of all the pieces suggested it seems to me that only the Bach Sinfonia from
>Cantata 29 might qualify (I'm not familiar with Bach's cantatas but recall
>vaguely that an awful lot of them are based on Biblical verses).  Can anyone
>suggest any *sacred* organ music that isn't played to death at weddings?

  This Sinfonia from Cantata 29 (Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir: We 
  thank you, God, we thank you) is a nice little piece. If you listen
  to it carefully, you'll hear something familiar, because the organ 
  plays the Prelude of 3rd Violin Partita.

  I'd believe that in Bach's Orgelbuechlein one can find really sacred
  and joyous and appropriates pieces for the occasion.
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From: xilin@northstar.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:15:48 GMT
Organization: Project NORTHSTAR, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


Indira (indira@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:

>............

>I have (and listened to):

>............

>(8) Rachmaninov   #1, #3 (haven't quite acquired a taste for them yet)

>............


Please try the 2nd.  It is almost my most favorate.


Xilin@dartmouth.edu
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From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: Pachelbel, Beethoven, and Mel Gibson
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:13:15 GMT

In article <18DEC199217244331@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
}In article <105123@bu.edu>, spacefox@acs.bu.edu (Godfrey Degamo) writes...
}>What's the best music to romance a woman at the piano?
}
}
}Debussy's "Clair de Lune". Then, when she says "That was 
}wonderful," you can reply "But you didn't even swoon!"

Another one that goes over quite well is Poulenc's Melancholie.  Start
with the Poulenc, and then hit her with Clair de Lune.  
-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Bernstein's "Live" Mahler
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:28:51 GMT

Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
: I just got the DGG Mahler 3rd and 7th by Bernstein from the library, both of
: which are allegedly "live" recordings. I wonder -- how do they eliminate the
: sound of applause from the end of these recordings? Surely, the audience must
: have responded enthusiastically! By the way, I have to say this 3rd is really
: outstanding. If I didn't have the Horenstein already, I would probably buy it
: myself (come to think of it, my favorite CD store is having a 20% off sale
: which ends tomorrow...).

Yeah - tell me about it, I just blew $200 in their Victoria branch.

I strongly suspect that the programme must contain a request to the
audience to wait a few seconds before beginning to applaud. Unless -
and I have the 7th and don't think this is the case - the ambience is
faded abruptly down at the end. You can sometimes here this on
historical live recordings - and it irritates the hell out of me.

I guess it probably depends on whether the intention is to use the
concert as the basis for a recordings, as with much of Bernstein's
later work, or whether the decision is made afterwards. Two examples
of - I suspect - the latter are EMI prom recordings: the
Donohoe/Busoni concerto and the Welser-Most Bruckner 7. ON both of the
the applause is unavoidable.

--
Real:  Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
Email: (dbarker@spang.camosun.bc.ca)
Phone: +1 604 370 4452
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From: vosse@ruls41.LeidenUniv.nl (Theo Vosse)
Subject: Ustvolskaya's Symphony nr.1: World premiere?
Reply-To: vosse@ruls41.LeidenUniv.nl (Theo Vosse)
Organization: Rijksuniversiteit Leiden
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:59:02 GMT

Hi,

I heard the first symphony for orchestra and two voices of Ustvolskaya
(a pupil of Shostakovich) last friday in Utrecht (the Netherlands) by
the Radio Philharmonic Orchestra under Valery Gergjev. It is a dark and
sombre piece, which is somewhere between the slow movements of Shostakovich'
middle aged works (if I can put it that way) and Gorecki. However, the work
is from 1955. Yet, the information leaflet said it was the world premiere.
Is that correct? Has this work really never been performed before, or is
it perhaps the world premiere for the West? Any Ustvolskaya connaisseurs
out there?


	Theo Vosse
	----------
	Unit for Experimental Psychology
	University of Leiden
	The Netherlands
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From: freed@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (G. Freed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: an answer and a question
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:51:20 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.classical
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Now that I've figured out how to post....

First of all I've been wanting to put in my two cents on the
"best finale" survey: what about Der Rosenkavalier?!

Second, my question:  any Strauss people out there, a) whose 
Elektra do you think is best (I've only heard Behrens), and
b) whose Salome?  I keep promising myself I'll buy one or the
other.

thanks in advance,

freed@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: edente@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Christmas Gifts (Was: Bernstein's Live Mahler)
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:22:10 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Got for Christmas:
A good idea. I'd like to hear what others received.  These were mine:
Bach: Harpsichord Concertos Vol. I & II
                     Pinnock, English Concert

Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2
                      Gilels, BPO, Jochum

Music for the Lionhearted King
                        C. Page, Gothic Voices

Mahler: Symphony No. 6
                      Bernstein, VPO

Hail Gladdening Light - Music of the English Church
                      John Rutter, The Cambridge Singers

Strauss: Salome - VIDEOTAPE
             Stratas, et al.


Ed Dente
    ri
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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Subject: Re: Norman sings Satie?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:02:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.164637.7230@sarah.albany.edu> joris@thor.albany.edu (Pierre Joris) writes:
>
>	A friend recently mentioned that some (or a long) time ago
>Jessie Norman recorded some Eric Satie songs. Does anybody know this
>recording &/or whether it is still available? Thanks for any info.

Here's what I found in a library catalog: it's a reissue of a 1977 LP.

Author:        Norman, Jessye.
Title:         Les chemins de l'amour : Duparc, Ravel, Poulenc, Satie / Jessye
                 Norman. Netherlands : Philips, [1987?], p1977.
Description:   1 sound disc : digital ; 4 3/4 in.
Publisher No.: Philips 416 445-2
Notes:         Compact disc.  Analog recording.  
               Program notes and biographical notes in French and English, and
                 song texts in French ([2] p.) inserted.
               Contents:  La vie anterieure ; Phidyle ; Chanson triste ;
                 L'invitation au voyage / Henri Duparc -- Deux melodies
                 hebraiques: L'enigme eternelle ; Kaddisch / Maurice Ravel --
                 Voyage a Paris ; Montparnasse ; La grenouillere ; Les chemins
                 de l'amour / Francis Poulenc -- La statue de bronze ; Dapheneo
                 ; Le chapelier ; Je te veux / Erik Satie.
               Performers:  Jessye Norman, soprano ; Dalton Baldwin, piano.
               Recorded May 1976 in Amsterdam.

-- 

	Francois Velde

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From: rwilmer@carrier.mitre.org (R. Wilmer)
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.154744.3519@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
>In article <JWA.92Dec19210857@vipunen.hut.fi>, jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec18.170128.24867@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
>|> 
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> >Bruckner ????? 
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> >Can any good thing come from him ?
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> Quite a lot already has, m'laddie.
>|> >|> 
>|> 
>|> >Name something that has !!!!!!
>|>   judge people upon the music they like or don't like...
>|> 
>
>99% of the people on the net HATE's Bruckner's music.

Please add me to the 1% who are Bruckner admirers.
Except for Number 2, I like all the symphonies from zero (nullte)
through nine and the Te Deum.  And I don't dislike Symphony 2,
especially when I heard it again after reading illuminating
comments on it from netter Bertram Walsh.

I agree with those who have recently praised the eighth, and
I think the fourth (Isn't that the disparaged-on-the-net
Romantic?) is particularly beautiful.

Richard

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From: smitra@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Sami Mitra)
Subject: Re: beethoven's symphonies
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.4216.25866@dosgate> "alexander inglis" <alexander.inglis@canrem.com> writes:
>   >    Subject: beethoven's symphonies
>
>SMW>How about the Furtwaengler's recording of Beethoven's symphonies on
>   >'Virtuoso' label?  I bought a set of 5 discs including all but the
>   >2nd symphony for only US$18 (in mono, too).  Are they considerably
>   >inferior to his EMI recording, individually or as a whole?  Is there
>   >any EMI disc(s) worth owning in addition to the Virtuoso set?
>
>Oh-oh ... another label with WF performances floating about ...
>I don't know this one. Could you post -- or e-mail -- the recording dats
>if the box references these? I'm a Furtwaengler nut ....

This label, Virtuoso, produces great performances that
are often available on other labels at much higher prices. They have
released, for example, Furtwangler's La Scala RING at ridiculously
low prices. These are available on another label at full price, and
more! The sound is just as good, or bad, as the others.

Incidentally, let me plug here the recently re-released Beethoven
cycle by Szell. This is consistently high calibre, technically
marvelous conducting. The Cleveland Orchestra, those days, was
reknowned for their prowess, and this cycle was hailed by people as
one of the best when it first came out. It is fun to have them back,
nicely remastered. 

Though the sound in these CDs is about as good as can be expected, it
is somewhat lacking in dynamic range. The higher frequencies, the
cellos at times, grate a wee bit. But do not let that bother you, as
it has enough of the ambience one wants.


					Sami Mitra

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From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:06:23

In article <1992Dec21.011843.3283@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:

>I must admit I'm starting to enjoy these "Greatest All-Time" and "Favorite" 
>threads, so I'm starting another one.  :-)   The question is, What is your
>favorite piano concerto?
  Bach: #5, f minor

>And a very important sub-question: What's your favorite *Beethoven* piano 
>concerto?
  #5, E flat major.
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From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Subject: Brendel and Szeryng play Schoenberg and Berg
Summary:  opinions wanted
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:34:23 GMT

The other day I ran across a recording of the Schoenberg Piano and
Violin Concerti and the Berg Violin Concerto. The soloists were Brendel
and Szeryng, I don't recall the orchestra or conductor. It was on DG.
Does anyone know these performances? Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

------
Dale Atems
Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Department of Physics and Astronomy
atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu
From: tegammk@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Shostakovich symphony recommendations
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:06:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec22.084440.2125@news.unige.ch> jordi@scsun.unige.ch writes:
>You also can get the 5th, 10th and 12th versions of Mravinsky, available from
>Erato. They are live recording (1987), and the quality is sometimes bad, but

 I absolutely love the 12th you mention above. I would love to hear the other
two performances before buying them...


-- 
Mike Kazmierczak
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, 30332
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From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Request for list of albums
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:57:22 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


I am looking for lists of all albums by two particular artists...

This may not be the best group for this question, but here goes.

Could someone please e-mail me a list of all the albums by 

	P.D.Q. Back (Yes, I know it is really Peter Schekele)
	Walter/Wendy Carlos

Thank you
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Ozawa
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:53:22
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
	<1992Dec22.211008.4569@nosc.mil> <CURTIS.92Dec23074412@sun1.aer.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
In-reply-to: curtis@sun1.aer.com's message of 23 Dec 92 12:44:12 GMT

In article <CURTIS.92Dec23074412@sun1.aer.com> curtis@sun1.aer.com (Curtis Heisey) writes:

   In article <1992Dec22.211008.4569@nosc.mil> sampson@nosc.mil (Charles H. Sampson) writes:

	   In a recent thread on Greatest Living Conductors, one respondent
      placed Ozawa near the very bottom of his list.  

   I have to agree also.  In the five seasons that I've been attending BSO
   concerts, I must admit that I prefer guest conductors to that of
   Ozawa.  Ozawa, in my opin, hasn't rallied the potential that the BSO
   exhibits.  Many members are exceptional players, but the ensemble
   playing under Ozawa's hand just doesn't measure up to many of the
   other US orchestras.  The man doesn't even live in Boston ... he
   commutes from Japan.  In all fairness, I did hear him conduct a
   wonderful, sensitive, firey Berlioz *Symphonie Fantastique* once, but
   I've heard some real lemons, like Haydn's *The Seasons*.  I think it
   is past time that Ozawa terminate his two decade tenure, and turn the
   orchestra over to someone else, before this wondeful orchestra is
   totally trashed.

Quite honestly, I haven't figured this one out.

I haven't heard him very much (I subscribed for 3 seasons, but didn't
renew this year for totally unrelated reasons; the first year he was ill
and I only heard him on a non-subscription performance).  However, I
consider the brickbats that are constantly hurled at him to be quite
unjustified.  It's a matter of personal opinion, of course, but I do
find the concerts he conducts to be satisfying.

Interestingly enough, when I've been to a concert and read Richard
Dyer's (those from Boston know why I bring his name up in this context)
review in the Globe of the same program, I've often come to a
diametrically opposed opinion to his.
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From: tony@cns.nyu.edu (Tony Movshon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Most drawn-out endings
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: tony@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 17441@osf.org, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
> Well, it helps if you know that Beethoven's Leonore no. 4 isn't by
> Beethoven.

It just goes to show that even a classical education has its defects.

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From: rsi@scf16.scf.loral.com (Rich S. Ishikawa)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: FAVORITE PIANO CONCERTO
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:21:36 GMT


Well, let's see....

1. Brahms Piano Concerto #2
2. Beethoven Piano Concerto #4
3. Beethoven Piano Concerto #5
4. Mozart Piano Concerto #21
5. Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto #1
6. Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2
7. Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #3
8. Grieg Piano Concerto 

More or less in this order...
The Brahms piano concerto is one of the few pieces I really like of his and is
my favorite of all piano concertos!!!


-My two cents.





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From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd Michel McComb)
Subject: Sorabji
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:15:39 GMT

I recall that a posting was made a while ago announcing that there were
tapes available of Sorabji performing some of his own works.  How can I
get these?  Thanks.

T. M. McComb
From: dbrus.Unify.Com.ceb@unify.uucp (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Nealson & Silent Night
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.ceb@unify.uucp (Caroline E. Bryan)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA

The radio this morning played a little piano piece by someone they called
"Nealson" (Nielssen, whatever) called something like "Dream of 'Silent
Night'" (at 6 AM my brain is not really up to recording these things).  It
started off with the Christmas carol and then floated off into sparkles and
such.  It was sufficiently short and had enough easy parts for me to consider
learning how to play it.  Can someone come up with the piece's correct name
and the correct spelling of the composer's name, and possibly even a source
for the score?  Please email to the address below as our newsreader junks
postings after 3 days but the email lasts for a good week or so.

Thanks!


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