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From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: First Ringo Album
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:01:30 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <740036@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand) writes:

>In rec.music.beatles, spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>> I'm following discussion of Ringo Starr's albums. Didn't Ringo
>> release a 1971 album before "Ringo" in 1973 that consisted of
>> remakes of old 50s songs. 
>> Does anyone know the name of this album? I don't believe it was
>> the commercial blockbuster that "Ringo" in 1973 was.
>> Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkeley.edu  ______sig.alert______

>Ringo put out a collection of standards, not necessarily 50's songs, more
>like 30's and 40's songs.  The album, as I recall, was called Stardust.
>He did it for his mum, he said at the time.  

The real title is "Sentimental Journey". He also did another album before 
"Ringo": that was full of C&W standards, for a change :-), and it was called 
"Beaucoups of Blues". Neither was a landslide success a la "Ringo", but SJ 
sold reasonably well, probably because of Ringo's Beatle fame.

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From: mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell)
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Organization: Mark-one Communications
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:16:08 GMT


In article <1992Aug30.092351.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c8906822@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
> Me and a friend of mine were talking the other night, and we got on to the
> subject about various Beatle songs and album covers and the so-called hidden 
> messages or cryptic clues regarding the famous "Paul is dead" story. In
> particlar we were discussing the "Abbey Road" cover. Now, I know about the
> number plate on the VW showing "28IF" referring to the fact that Macca would
> have been 28 years old at the time of "Abbey Road" IF he wasn't dead already.
> The thing we were trying to work out was the actual symbolic meaning of each 
> Beatle. We came to the uncertain conclusion that George, wearing his denim 
> jeans and what looks like denim shirt was representing the grave digger in his
> work clothes, Paul being the corpse, Ringo in his black suit being the
> undertaker, and John in his all white suit we weren't sure about. Anyway, if
> anybody has read or heard or has an opinion, let's "hear" it.

How about four poeple walking across a zebra crossing for an album cover?
I could read meanings in the number plates, if I walked down my street.

> cheers,
> 
> David.
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From: elvis@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (elvis)
Subject: "We are more popular than Jesus now"
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:33:14 GMT

I always thought John was talking of musicians as a whole were
more popular because almost everyone listens to pop music while
in western culture not so many go to church each week.

But hey, what would I know?

ELVIS
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John vs. religion
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:15:42 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>I hadn't read that religion was at the root of Chapman's act; though I'll
>admit that I've stayed away from any subsequent publicity about the man
>and his thoughts. His motivation seemed arguably derivable from pure
>psychosis, though there could have also been the "literary" connection
>in a peculiarly twisted way (the way songs, movies or books are said to
>be the instigators for violent acts)---to wit, Chapman as the liberator
>of the Lennon persona, freeing the idealized man from a complex, unknown
>style of musical creation (music, one might have feared, far removed from
>his work with the Beatles). Maybe Chapman saw himself as a rescuer, keeping
>Lennon from plunging headlong over "some crazy cliff" into new musical
>realms (roughly analogous to the theme of "Catcher In The Rye", which 
>apparently Chapman was reading that night; see also Yukio Mishima's
>novel "Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea" for a similar theme).
>But I'll repeat that, no matter how you parse it or try to understand
>it, the loss of John is no easier to bear.

I have not heard anyone mention "The Man Who Killed John Lennon", 
which was on the U.S. PBS network about four years ago
as part of the "Frontline" documentary program.

According to that program, Chapman was obsessed with -Catcher
In The Rye-.  That novel is about a character named Holden
Caulfield, who constantly decries "phony bastards".  What apparently
motivated Chapman (other than mental illness) was Lennon's
apparent hypocrisy and "phonyness": he talked up peace and helping
the poor, but he himself lived in spendor.    So, the act
was one of hate and anger from a man who was mentally ill.  I remember
reading -Catcher- when I was in school; it had an emotional impact on
me.  I think we all can identify with the Holden Caulfield character
somewhat, and I can see how a mentally disturbed man could use it
to movitivate a violent act like that.  Chapman was also trying
to get notoriety for himself, as were John Hinckley, James Earl
Ray, and other assassins.

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From: russur@convex.com (Russ Urquhart)
Subject: Re: John vs. religion
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:12:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Several years ago, PBS Frontline did a special on Chapman subtitled The Man
Who HSot Lennon. In this special they talked some about Chapman but, more
importatnly, they played some lengthy excerpts from his taped confession. In
this confession he talks about the reasons that he stalked and killed John. 


If anyone is interested, I have it one tape!


Russ
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John vs. religion
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:00:10 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>Mr. pibeb@dcatla.uucp writes:

>>One more thing, recently I heard a televangelist say that the line in GOD
>>saying "I don't believe in Jesus" is proof of what John REALLY meant when
>>he said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.  As a Christian that 
>>hopefully can be credited with some sense, I feel the song further supports
>>the contention that John meant the earlier statement as a sad statement on
>>the decline of religion. 

I really like the Rutles' parody on this:

	 In 1966, the Rutles faced the biggest threat to their
	 careers.  In a widely quoted interview, Nasty reportedly
	 had said that "The Rutles are bigger that God", and had
	 gone on to say that God had never had a hit record.
	 The news spread like wildfire in America.  Fans burnt
	 their albums.  Fans burnt their fingers trying to
	 burn their albums.   Album sales skyrocketed: people
	 were buying them just to burn them.

	 But is was all a ghastly mistake.  Talking to a slightly
	 deaf journalist, Nasty actually said that the Rutles
	 were "bigger than ROD."  In 1966, Rod Stewart had yet
	 to pen a hit record.  Nasty apologized to God, Rod, and
	 the press, and tour resumed as planned.  It would be the
	 Rutles' last.

The Rutles album picture book has a page with several newspaper
headlines, including Variety's "Rut Biz Outgross God Claim"
and another paper's headline "Rutles Sensation:  Now We Are Bigger
Than God."

This parody is painfully accurate.   Instead of a deaf journalist
being the problem, it was a deaf public.  There are certain
sectors of American society that simply would like to believe
that everything is simple, and that all morals and values are
black-and-white.  In reality, things are not so simple.  Had
everyone read the entirety of Lennon's comments, they would
have understood that he was criticizing a society that placed
such importance on a rock group.

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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Background vocals on "3 Legs" from McCartney's RAM LP...
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:00:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <machman.715372548@milton> machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:

>>     with "When I fly above the ????? clouds..." Can someone fill in the
>>     blank for me?

>"when i fly above the maddening clouds"?  something like that.

After listening to it for twenty years (!??) I *still* can't figure that one
out.

					James Willer
{the opinion above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: damon@ethome.et.iupui.edu (Damon Beals)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest? Did anybody attend???
Reply-To: damon@tnt.cadcam.iupui.edu  
Organization: Purdue School of Engineering & Technology at Indianapolis
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 00:12:21 GMT

In article <27AUG199212115298@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
> I recently got my Beatlefest Catalog (for $1.00, call 1-800-BEATLES)
> full of neat Beatle things, more stuff than even * I * would ever be 
> interested in owning.  
> 
> The convention was supposed to be the weekend of August 21-23 in chicago-
> and I haven't seen a thing on it yet!
> 
> Did * ANYBODY * go to this?  Has anyone ever in the past gone to these?
> 
  Hey I went!!  Just have not posted anything about it yet.  Beatlefest is
great if you don't have any good record shows in your area.  I was in
Chicago on Aug 22 for the entire day 1200-2400 and I picked up a few thing
that I really needed.  I finally got THE BOOK and have been reading it for
a couple of days and I have a hard time putting it down.  

  Beatlefest has a great flea market where you can by anything from beatle
postcard to autographs.  The first time I went (four year ago) the amount
of stuff just boggles the mind, in that one group could make this much 
stuff.  I have found that beatlefest is the only place to get 'previous
unreleased' material at a resonable price.   

Any more question just mail me.

   Damon

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From: al195557@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Benjamin Noe Zavala Castrellon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: McCartney in Mexico?
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:33:47 GMT

I read in a local newspaper, that Paul is planning to make another
world tour (World Tour II) and they said he might come to Mexico this
time. I just hope so! 

Does anybody know anything about his next world tour?

And how about his new album?

Thanks in advance

Benjamin Zavala
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al195557@academ01.mty.itesm.mx

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From: ehenry@hydra.unm.edu (Elizabeth Henry CIRT-IRC)
Subject: San Fran (Beatles Stops?)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:58:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I am planning a trip to San Fransico in Sept and was 
wondering if anyone can recomend any Beatle stops 
(i.e. record stores, points of interest for Beatles
fans, etc.)
thanks in advance!
Joe D. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: greatest hits on cd?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:21:21 GMT

Hi,
	I've been looking, not very systematically for the two, two volume 
sets of the beatles greatest hits. I think one is called 1964 - 1968 and
the other takes up where the first left off.  Anway, I've been trying to 
find these on CD. I wonder if the stores are just always out of stock or 
whether they exist?  If not, any ideas when they'll come out on CD?

skip
rlwilliams@gallua.bitnet
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From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:51:14 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca>, n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
> This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
> Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
> snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
> in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
> fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
> days now. Thanks.
> 
   It's in the movie/album Let It Be, during the song "For You Blue".  The
comment occurs during John Lennon's slide guitar solo.  Frankly, I was a
bit on the unimpressed side with this particular solo, but the band seemed
to be having a reasonably good time.

Tim
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest `92 (again)
Summary: Videos and books
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:05:19 GMT

In article <89590@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> schauerte@moe.gmr.com (Frank Schauerte) writes:
>Looking back at the Beatlefest catalog, I agree `The Beatles LIVE' is 
>available at a lower price (though the catalog notes a limited quantity
>is available). However, at one of the flea market booths I found a bunch
>of Japanese-produced CDs (which I knew nothing about) and a black covered
>beatles video of 20 minute length which I took to be a repackaged LIVE
>video, but with a $62.50 tag. Let the buyer beware! 
>
"The Beatles Live!" video is distinct from the out-of-print book of the
same name by Mark Lewisohn, just to make that clear. The video "The
Beatles Live!" used to be sold quite cheaply---in the $30 range; it's
a truncated edition of "Around The Beatles", a television special which
aired in the UK in 1964, wherein the Boys mimed to their own pre-recorded-as-
live (if that's clear) material; their cover of "Shout!" is a lot of fun.

The newest video, "The Beatles First U.S. Visit" is a reissue of unused
footage from a 1964 American documentary called "What's Happening!" It
*is* expensive in the VHS format but can be had for less than half the
release price of nearly $90 on laserdisc.

Speaking of books, Lewisohn's forthcoming "The Complete Beatles Chronicle",
which will detail the Boys' stage, TV, radio, film/video, recording/mixing
activities (is that enough? :-) is due out in England on 24 September and
14 October in the U.S. I suspect this will replace any reprint of Lewisohn's
"The Beatles Live", which detailed the Boys' live appearances from 1957-1969.
The U.S. publisher is Harmony Books, a division of Random House. I spoke to
them this morning and they said they expect this new Lewisohn tome to be out
by late September here, despite the official release date. As of Wednesday,
the folks at Beatlefest knew nothing of this new release. Harmony says that
it sells a passel of volumes to B. Dalton and Waldenbooks, so you might
bug your local outlet into ordering it *now*. 

Since Lewisohn's most famous work, "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions",
is affectionately referred to on the net as "The Book", I'll be interested
to see how "...Chronicle" becomes familiarly known. :-)
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:23:30 GMT

Andrew Rogers (rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug26.054038.691@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
: >I've been playing it in my mind here, (don't have the CD with me, just 
: >my memory), but it sounds to me like a fuzz fed through a flanger, possibly
:                                         ^^^^               ^^^^^^^
: >with an envelope follower or wah effect towards the end of the solo.
:          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^
: 
: Three out of four of which didn't exist at the time it was recorded...
: 
: AWR

OK, I suppose you're right.  I guess that, being in my 20's, I forget these    
things weren't around for eternity.  Hell, Sgt. Pepper was released a month
before I was!

Um...which of the four DID exist, btw?  Also, if one is trying to duplicate
the sound, did I get it right?

--

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From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Ringo Starr's LPs
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:23:02 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug22.143940.1@gumby.mgi.com> thompson@gumby.mgi.com writes:
>In article <22AUG199215550758@vms2.iscs.nus.sg>, fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg
>(FAN YENG LOON) writes:
>> According to the 'Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-31' posted to 
>> rec.music.info, Ringo Starr is releasing the following two lps:
>>>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Rotogravure
>>>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Ringo The Fourth
>> I must admit that I am not much into Ringo's solo career yet, mayhap some
>> kind souls out there could fill me in whether these are new album releases??
>_Rotogravure_ was originally released in 1976, and _Ringo The 4th_ (not
>"Fourth") in 1977.
>Ringo's CD releases seem to be happening by fits and starts. So far I've
>only been able to find:   _Ringo_
>                          _Bad Boy_
>                          _Ringo Starr and His All-starr Band_
>                          _Time Takes Time_
>and the two collections:  _Blast From Your Past_
>                          _Starr Struck: Best of Ringo Starr, Vol. 2_
>Have I missed anything, along the way? I keep looking for _Goodnight Vienna_,
>so I can get "Snookeroo" on CD.

Well, you have all of the complete albums listed but maybe you don't have
these:
First, the Ringo & All-Starr Band was released in a regular version as
well as a Deluxe edition with a 4-song extra CD
Next, Ringo has a track on the 1988 STAY AWAKE album.  It's various artists
doing remakes of Disney songs, and includes Ringo doing "When You Wish Upon
A Star"
Finally, there's the Nobody's Child-Romanian Angel Appeal album, which has
Ringo live doing "With A Little Help..." (only on CD)

--
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:55:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.172358.1323@eng.ufl.edu> greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear) writes:
>There is also that section in Revolution 9 where all the gunfire and cannons
>go off, with John making weird shuddering noises; kind of sounds like
>backward laughter, but it sounds the same backwards.  (What?  Play parts of
>The White Album backwards? :-)

Which reminds me of something that has always amused me.  A few years back,
National Lampoon (or a comparable publication) published an issue parodying
the recording industry.  In the issue was an "ad" touting the release of
backwards records.  (ie: "Saves wear and tear on your valuable equipment"
"plays normally, but hear the reversed sounds!!")  Alongside Led Zepplin,
the Rolling Stones, and others was the Rubber Soul album from the fabs.  Odd,
since Rubber Soul has *nothing* backmasked on it...

<ESC>



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                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: valeu@sdd.hp.com (John Valeu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:23:05 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

I just got a hold of a CD set called 'The Banzai Beatles'.  It came in
a container that looks like a film cannister that held both CDs, a 12 
page information booklet, sets lists from both CDs and foam rubber that
seperates the CDs from each other and the casing.  

These two CDs contain 4 complete Beatle concerts (2 on each CD).  The 
first disc has a concert recorded at the Budokan in Tokyo on June 30, 
1966 (I think) and another concert recorded in a Swedish TV studio in
October of 1963.  The second CD contains both Paris shows (early and 
late) from the same day in 1965 (again, I think this is correct).  

All 4 shows are very, very good.  The complaint that I have are the
levels of voices vs. instruments at the Paris shows.  Whenever Paul or
John would sing very loudly (or scream) you can hear a slight signal 
breakup.  I should point out that this set will probably not be found
in your 'ordinary' music store.  In fact the documentation says it was
copyrighted by 'Phantom Red' from Milano, Italy.
From: shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:31:57 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca>, n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
> This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
> Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
> snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
> in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
> fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
> days now. Thanks.
> 
> Also, I recently posted asking for track listings and/or comments on the
> "Unsurpassed Masters" series of boots. I'm sure you all thought that there
> was no need to respond since someone else would :). well, no one else did-
> so feel free to email any info to the address below. All help will be
> appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Charles Board
> email: cnc405@bnr.ca

That line is in 'For you Blue' on Let it Be.  It is a spoken line
though I can't remember exactly where in the song it is.  During
John's '12 Bar Blue's' solo I believe

Mike
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