HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stensta@idt.unit.no (Petter Stenstadvold)
Subject: Newfoundland
Keywords: Newfoundland, rover, scouts, Marine Institute
Reply-To: stensta@idt.unit.no (Petter Stenstadvold)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:45:52 GMT


NEWFOUNDLAND
------------
Anyone on the net from St.John's NFLD, who remember the
Norwegians at the Prov.Jamboree at Gros Morne in 1987? Viking games...

Anyone from the 6th St.John's Rovercrew reading this?
Or anyone else who knows the Rovers in St.John's NFLD?

Anyone reading this at the Marine Institute, St.John's NFLD?


I hope so, PLEASE MAIL ME, I'd love to hear news from NFLD?


Yours in scouting,
                  Petter


==================================================================
            PETTER STENSTADVOLD    (stensta@idt.unit.no)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Member of: TSSG (Trondheim Student Scout Group), Trondheim, Norway
           1.Storaasen scout & guide group, Bergen, Norway
==================================================================
I studied Electronics at Marine Institute, St.John's, Newfoundland 
for 3 years from 1986-89... I'd love to come back for a visit!!
Now completing computer sciences at NTH, Trondheim, Norway
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: What Binds Canada Together?
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:15:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.161011.22050@vlsi.polymtl.ca>, d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:

Easy - Apathy and Mediocrisy

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism and abortion (was Re: Speciesism)
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:57:42 GMT

In article <TODD.92Dec16165321@ai05.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
}
}In article <1992Dec15.231223.4344@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:

}>You are a troglodyte.

}[not so serious part]
}Since many of us, I'm sure, don't know what a troglodyte is, I fetched 
}the dictionary:
}
}	troglodyte 1. a cave dweller, esp. one of the prehistoric
}                   peoples thought to have lived in caves.
}                   2. (informal) a person who lives alone and
}                   appears eccentric. [C16: via Latin from the
}                   Greek troglodutes, one who enters caves, from
}                   trogle hole + duein to enter]

Being a cave explorer and all, I thought I'd point out that there
are three kinds of cave dwellers:  troglodytes, trogloxenes, and 
troglophiles.  Not being a speleobiologist I can't vouch for the 
spelling, but as I recall one enjoys spending some time in caves 
and is often found there, but doesn't need a "cave" per se, any 
sheltered area will do.  One completes part of its life cycle in
a cave, and returns there to either reproduce or hibernate or 
whatever, but generally exits the cave at times to feed or somesuch.
The third spends its entire life in a cave, often unable to 
survive outside the environment.  These are things like cave
dwelling harvestmen (daddy-longlegs type critters who will
die from even the light or heat produced by a photographic
flash), blind salamanders and cave fish, to name a few.

}Ritual suicide?  Well, wouldn't want to mess up the cave, you know...

You don't have to do it in the cave.  As a matter of fact, please
don't.  Some of my friends might have to be in on the body haul.
As a matter of fact, try to do it in some accessable place
OUTSIDE the cave.

}                                                                Ever 
}done it in a cave?  Ugh! Ugh!

I don't know about others, but yes indeed, several many times.  
And though "ugh, ugh" may have been part of the vocabulary, it 
was more like mmmm, mmmm.  I imagine the response would depend
largely on the circumstances and the people involved.  

Sorry about this ranting being here.  I usually confine
my ranting about caves and cavers to rec.climbing or rec.backcountry.
I never expected caving to crop up here...

--
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                  Illiterate?  Write for FREE help...
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 11 Dec 1992 13:19:06 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

On Thu, 10 Dec 1992 04:27:27 GMT you said:
>
>
>>And you, Please do not be so stupid! We were all immigrants at one time
>
>Sure my ancestors were, but 300 years ago, not 10 years ago.
>My ancestors did the hard job, settled the country, made the Quebec
>we know, and then come a hand of immigrants and decide we are wrong?
>
Yep.  And my ancestors had a cakewalk when they settled in Quebec in the
1780s.  Oh, sorry, they weren't French, so they can't possibly be "real"
Quebecers...

How come it's called "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia but not in Quebec?

Peter Laws              |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|   pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: mousseau@convex.cl.msu.edu (normand mousseau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:41:43 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, East Lansing

In article <9212100259.AA14990@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU writes:
>
>      Face it:  french speaking Quebecers are inherently racist.
>
>Peter Laws              |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|   pcl@engr.uark.edu
>n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet


	Je ne peux qu'esperer que cette affirmation soit une ironie.  Ce
n'est pas avec ce genre de commentaire qu'on avance une discussion, ca
ne fait que prouver le manque d'arguments de celui qui l'emet.

	Normand
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: craigen@ace.acadiau.ca (DOUGLAS CRAIGEN)
Subject: Re: Canadian Culture Shock?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:32:48 GMT


  Of course the answer has a lot to do with where you end up.  Canada (like 
the U.S.) is a very large and diverse country.  You may end up somewhere 
that is almost exactly like living where you do right now.  Hopefully your 
job would enable you to get out and look around a bit.  Some good 
differences have been pointed out, but as you can see they are fairly 
minor.  In the country as a whole (as compared to the US as a whole) you 
will find some differences in attitude.  For example, as a group we favor 
tighter gun control and vote for parties further left on the political 
spectrum.  One thing you should be warned about is that many Canadians will 
feel they need to react to the fact that you are American, and they will do 
so in a variety of ways (some of which are downright embarrassing to the 
rest of us).  You can draw your own conclusions as to why this happens.

===================================================================
  Doug Craigen, Department of Physics, Acadia University,
  Wolfville, N.S., B0P 1X0, (902) 542 - 2201 x150

  FOR RENT - signature file space
             (reasonable rates)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9407 can.politics:10798
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:12:11 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Dec15.230907.15218@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.170313.9431@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>Universality as it has been come to be known in Canada means paying
>>millionaires government pensions and family allowance cheques.  It
>>means less money is available for the needy.
>
>It intrigues me to hear that from you, when on the other hand you
>also (from my memory ...) oppose a progessive income tax rate.
>

I favor a negative income tax and a flat tax...or a relatively
flat tax...with the elimination of about every loophole in the
book.

The first will provide a no-fault social safety net that eliminates
huge government social service bureaucracies, and the second throws
lawyers and accountants out of work, and forces the best and brightest
in our society into wealth-producing endeavors.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: black@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.african
Subject: WHAT IS X-MASS??????????
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:05:00 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



                   "WE WISH YOU A MERRY X-MAS...."


	Christmas, while probably the most commercialized event of the year,
still rings bells in the hearts of most Blacks living in the world today.


	Being a Black Nationalist and a former catholic, I can see subliminal
meanings behind this Christmas celebration that I haven't seen before.
For example, Christmas, which breaks down to mean a mass for the Christ seems 
to be only logical as a definition upon looking at the word.  However, X-mas, 
doesn't!
	Where did this X-mas come from?  Was it created by a lazy school teacher
who didn't want to write it on all of those Christmas cards that she/he gave to
her students, or did it come from an alternate origin?
	Wherever the origin, I propose that we as Blacks living in the Western
hemisphere make of it what we want.  Looking at X-mas in correlation to Christ-
mas you could say that it is a mass for X.  X representing the unknown, you 
could take the definition even further, suggesting that X-mass means a mass
or celebration for the unknown(language, religion, God, name, family) that the
Black man and woman was stripped of upon enslavement in America.
	 Whatever, you celebrate, be it Kwanzaa, Christmas, Hanukah, whatever, 
keep in mind that X-MASS as a celebration or rememberance of the UNKNOWN, 
should be celebrated by Blacks more than the others that might not have as much
"true meaning".


P.S. JUST DON'T CELEBRATE X-MASS DURING FEBUARY, THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPECT!!!



Jasen Gannon
Black United Students Society(BUS)
Co-Chair
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia, KKKANADA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.african
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: WHAT IS X-MASS??????????
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:55:46 GMT

                       [ huge load of baloney deleted ]

It's simple.  The Greek letter chi looks like "X".  Words like
"Christ" and "crystal" come from Greek words beginning with the letter
chi.  In addition, the letter X reminds one of the Cross.  For these
two reasons, the letter X has become associated with the sound
"chris-".  I have seen the following abbreviations used in this way:

                     Xmas       X-tian      xtal/x-tal

Next time you walk into a Catholic Church, you may notice a symbol
that looks like an X overstruck on a P.  These are the two first Greek
letters in the word "Christ", viz. chi and rho.
-- 
John Coughlin                           [ insert clever saying here ]
Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: HGERBER@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Hjalmar)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:46:49 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>  bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett)

>> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>> Since English IS, despite the allegations of Denis et al, one of the two
>> official languages of Canada, in which Quebec is still a part of, there
>> is no valid reason the Quebec government should continue to do this.

> Quebecois will dispute your assertion that Quebec is a part of
> Canada.

 Then, by all means, let Quebec separate - with ALL (and only) the
 land with which she entered confederation in 1867, as well as her
 accumulated per capita share of the (not insubstantial) national
 debt.

 Soon reality will come home to roost; and economic (trade) realities
 will force her to become at least bilingual  -  and eventually,
 probably anglophone.  Do you think that Quebec's current standard
 of living and official (de facto) unilingualism will survive without
 all the coddling by Ottawa and the tolerance of long-suffering
 taxpayers from the "Anglo" provinces?

Hjalmar
-------
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9366 soc.culture.african:7013
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.african
Subject: RE: WHAT IS X-MASS??????????
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:11:30 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Dec14.160500.9557@ac.dal.ca> black@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>
>                   "WE WISH YOU A MERRY X-MAS...."
>
>
> Christmas, while probably the most commercialized event of the year,
>still rings bells in the hearts of most Blacks living in the world today.
>
>
> Being a Black Nationalist and a former catholic, I can see subliminal
>meanings behind this Christmas celebration that I haven't seen before.
>For example, Christmas, which breaks down to mean a mass for the Christ seems
>to be only logical as a definition upon looking at the word.  However, X-mas,
>doesn't!
> Where did this X-mas come from?  Was it created by a lazy school teacher
>who didn't want to write it on all of those Christmas cards that she/he gave to
>her students, or did it come from an alternate origin?

The X is not the Latin letter, but the Greek letter chi, the first
letter of "Christ" in Greek.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:26:43 GMT

>  Little Stevie Novak writes:

>> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:

>>Just for thought:

>You forgot to think.

Think? I asserted 2 facts which happen to be true, and a 3rd you claim
to be false, but isn't.

>>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *before *it's born, and the 
>>mother approves, it's called an abortion.

>Very good!

>>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *after* it's born, and the
>>mother approves, it's called murder.

>Well, of *course* it is.

>>There is no fundamental physical differences between the babies in the
>>two cases.

>Of course there is, Brucie.  The fetus you're confusing with a baby is still
>attached to the women and dependent wholly on her body for life.

Yes it is attached, but NO it isn't dependent wholly on her body for life.

Out of the womb it will survive fine with the normal amount of care.

And I repeat, there is *no* physical differences between the baby.

>The actual baby, born, alive and breathing, is not.

The normal amount of care is still needed. A baby does not exist in
isolation. It still need to be fed for example, kept warm, etc.

>Pretty simple...like you, Bruce.

You should get you so-called facts straight Stevie.

Isn't it
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,can.politics,alt.activism
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Motivation
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:30:28 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca

What are Canadians motivated to do?

What are you motivated to do?

What do Canadians/you like?
What makes Canadians/you feel good?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9465 can.politics:10884 talk.abortion:52263 talk.politics.animals:10369
From: stevec@unixg.ubc.ca (Steve Cumming)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:14:55 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.geog.ubc.ca

In article <BzF17n.Bzw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> tjdoran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (TJ Doran) writes:
>
	stuff about costs of pregnancy to women deleted.
>
>Career?!? Plans?!? (Health I can understand...). As a person who almost never
>made it to the post-natal part, I'm glad my mother decided to put off her
>career, plans, etc. in favour of my *life*.
>
>So is she.
>

I'm glad your mother considers the outcome of her pregnancy
worthwhile.  What is at issue is whether she made her decision from
choice or from respect of rights held by the fetus she was then
carrying.

Many people think that the former applies.  The fact that *you* are
glad *you* were born does not confer an obligation on all other women
to carry their prgnancies to term.  The fact that you are glad you
were born does not confer rights on fetuses.

This sort of gross {\sl non sequiter} pops up all the time in the debate.

--
Steve Cumming		 boreal mixedwood dynamics and rogue
stevec@geog.ubc.ca				    ... how long you got left?
						    well how long do you reckon?
							
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism and abortion (was Re: Speciesism)
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:36:33 GMT

---
Followups to talk.abortion.

In article <TODD.92Dec14121806@athena.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
|If you want to use contradictions to argue with vegetarians, try getting
|the pro-abortion variety of vegetarians (which most are, in my experience)
|to explain their consistency.  To these people, a chicken has more right
|to life than a six-month old fetus.  Gets 'em every time.

This is utter nonsense.  I'm not pro-abortion (meaning that I
would not force abortions on unwilling women) and I don't know
anyone who is pro-abortion in that sense.  And it seems to me
that you don't have the foggiest about the various reasons
people have for being vegetarians.

I'm pro-choice.  I'm semi-vegetarian, and I hope to eliminate
all meat from my diet in about a year.  I'm eating vegetarian
for health reasons.  I don't grant rights to chickens.  I wear
leathers when I ride my motorcycle because I think the integrity
of my skin is more important than the cow's.

I think that any woman is more important than a 12-week-old
fetus.  I think she has more rights than a brainless blob of
flesh.  She has the right to self-determination & bodily
autonomy.  Women are more important than fetuses.

---
cj@eno.esd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"Cows are just plants that happen to move around a bit." 
    -- Thant Tessman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: joeisham@sdf.lonestar.org (Joe Isham)
Subject: Re: La Belle et La Bete
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:20:32 GMT

In article <1gc1nmINN2rn@phakt.usc.edu> madjdsad@phakt.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi) writes:
: 
: Does anyone know why I could always get any book I wanted from the United
: States when I lived in Canada but now that I'm in the United States, no
: music or book store can even ORDER Canadian books or tapes?  This is VERY
: frustrating because I am doing constant research on Canadian politics and
: economics and also because I REALLY want to get the French version of Beauty
: and the Beast and The Little Mermaid.

I've always had good luck ordering books through Reader's Den in
Toronto.  Tapes, though... :(

-- 
_ __/|   Joe Isham (joeisham@sdf.lonestar.org, joeisham@chinet.chi.il.us)
\'o.O| 
=(___)=  "It's Christmas in Canada...
   U         half past Christmas in Newfoundland."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,talk.abortion
From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:54:16 GMT

> = (Steven Smith) writes:
>> = (Larry Margolis) writes:
>>> = (Todd Law) writes:

>> >Pregnancy is not slavery.

>> Picking cotton is not slavery.  Unless, of course, you're given no
>> choice in the matter.

>It seems to me that unless a woman is inseminated by force, then she
>does have much choice in the matter.  

If her birth control fails, or she is ignorant of birth control, then your
statement is dead wrong.

>Do you indeed suggest that an
>(undesirable) pregnancy achieved by ordinary intercourse is slavery?

If the woman is forced to give birth, then obviously it is slavery.

If she can make her own decision and *decides* to carry to term, then of
course it isn't slavery.



-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U)
Subject: Re: Moving to Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:30:31 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de wrote:
: In article <1gth1uINNmju@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, francis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
: > I would like to explore my options regarding moving to
: > Canada and am wondering if this is the right group to 
: > discuss the issues.  New Zealand is a really nice place
: > but I want my kids to get a broader out look on life
: > by moving to another country.
: >  
: > Gary
: 
: 
: Hi,
:   Canada is a terrible country in which to live, in my opinion.  The
: place is utterly boring.
: 
: Laurence
: 
What is so boring about Canada???  Have you actually lived here??
We've got 3 oceans, lots of mountains, lots of prairies, 'European'
culture in Quebec City, fishing villages in Newfoundland and the maritimes,...
We even have beer that would rival the best of your German beer!
So, again , I ask, what is it you find so 'utterly boring' about Canada?
-- 
Scott B. Weaver		Internet: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca
"Dream Weaver"		UUCP: ...!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!mach1!sweaver3
Patience comes to 	Snail: 2C-264 Regina Street North
those who wait...	       Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 3B7
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rgirvan@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ray Girvan)
Subject: Little Countries                        
Cc: rgirvan@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rgirvan@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:39:00 +0000

Can anyone advise?  A friend is trying to trace a poem or song
containing the following verse -

"The little countries are shaped by men
and moulded by human hands;
But you cannot trace, on my ancient face,
the scars of the little lands ...
They come, they pass, like shadows on grass ...
Or a child's play on the sands."

No luck so far with reference books and local libraries - but we
are almost sure it refers to Canada and might be by a Canadian
author.  Does anyone recognise it?

Thanks in advance.

Ray Girvan (e-mail: rgirvan@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,can.politics,alt.activism