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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 24 Sep 92 12:07:17 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

mcastle@mcs213d.cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle) writes:
> Does Apple sell any software (besides the OS)??

PC Exchange, QuickTime, Remote Access, MPW C, C++, Pascal, Lisp, Smalltalk...

If you include Claris, the software subsidiary of Apple, you can count
Hypercard, MacWrite, ClarisWorks, Filemaker Pro, Filemaker Pro for Windows
(yes, WINDOWS), MacDraw Pro, and so on.

> I don't think people buy macs for the OS or the hardware, they buy macs to
> run the _applications_ that run on that machine (and here, I mean apps that 
> have been developed only or first for macs).

I picked a Mac for the hardware, the OS, AND the applications.


mathew
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: gip200@sci.kun.nl (gip2 course)
Subject: Re: The Macintosh interface.(Was:Re:"official" FSF position on apple)
Reply-To: peter@global.hacktic.nl
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:44:42 GMT

In <1992Sep16.192349.11002@riacs.edu> lehman@george.arc.nasa.gov (John Lehman -- GDP) writes:

>would be, shall we say, "unconscionable".  I have a nagging
>hunch, however, that we are all trapped in a window-and-mouse
>point of view, and just possibly there are many radically
>different and better ways to accomplish the same "usability".
Yeah, I'd like to have a UI that uses a dataglove to manipulate
3D objects.


Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: zoo@cygnus.com (david d 'zoo' zuhn)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the free Unix projects
Organization: Cygnus Support -- +1 415 322 3811
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:08:40 GMT
	<BURLEY.92Oct4011851@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct4.124453.10061@fcom.cc.utah.edu>


   From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)

   So we are stuck on the horns of two dilemmas, as it were:

   1.	When is my revenue in a for profit operation deriving from GNU
	   code instead of other code (and more important, where does GNU
	   believe this demarcation occurs)?  Is it when I make a profit
	   off of software patches requiring GNU compilation at the user
	   site, for instance?

Somehow I think that Cygnus is doing a fair job of creating revenues from
work on GNU software, given that we're 31+ employees right now, all being
paid via work on free software.  What we do is not to sell the software,
but the service that we add to it.  We provide warranty support
(bugfixing), porting (effectively consulting work), integration with
customer fixes, shrink-wrap distributions, and more.  We give the software
away.  We charge for the things that actually cost money -- the costs
associated with the physical manuals and tapes, and the costs associated
with the time that we spend fixing bugs and improving future releases.

   2.	What is "reasonable" as it is used in the GPL?

This isn't that interesting of a question, imo.  It's valid only in the
context of trying to sell the software.  But the right way to go about this
sort of operation is to sell the service, and give the software away. 

If one of our customers wants to make copies of our software and give them
to other people, that's fine.  That's happened.  We've even encouraged it.
But if someone who gets a tape from our customer calls us up and wants a
bug-fix for gcc, we're going to sign them up as a customer before we'll fix
it for them.  Again, the software is free.  My time as an software author
is not.  


  david d 'zoo' zuhn |    The problem with politics is that it puts you in
    cygnus support   |    contact with the sort of people that you'd really
    zoo@cygnus.com   |    rather try to avoid.  
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:12:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1a2u96INNbtp
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <w4TLRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steven Eric Fuller) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep18.222551.28385@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony
>> >There is of course, no such thing as a Macintosh compatible.  
>Anyway, there is such a thing as a Macintosh-compatible non-Apple computer. 
>The Outbound laptop is one, and the new Radius plug-in multiprocessing board
>is another.

In both cases a Macintosh is needed for the machine to be a Mactintosh
compatible.  Outbound merely goes to the trouble of obtaining a
Macintosh for their machine so the user doesn't have to.

I perhaps should have written "Mactintosh compatible computer that
doesn't need a special peice of hardware (firmware) that only Apple
makes and that they really don't want to sell without a computer
wrapped around it".

After I wrote that message I've been told that the Liken Macintosh
emulator for Suns is usable, all software, and isn't in imminent
danger of being sued/bought out by Apple.  I hope this trend continues.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 27 Sep 1992 22:46:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Sep27.173842.17544@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall) writes:
>In article <w4TLRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>|> sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steven Eric Fuller) writes:
>|> > In article <1992Sep18.222551.28385@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony
>|> > >There is of course, no such thing as a Macintosh compatible.  
>|> > Yes there is. Another Macintosh.
>|> 
>|> Which is more than you can say for PCs...
>|> 
>|> Anyway, there is such a thing as a Macintosh-compatible non-Apple computer. 
>|> The Outbound laptop is one, and the new Radius plug-in multiprocessing board
>|> is another.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> mathew
>
>Yup - and also those Atari-ST users who run Spectre GCR. They're probably the largest group
>of Mac cloners.

I've known about some of these systems before, but I never hear about
them much, they didn't seem to be usable systems.  So far people have
mentioned some Macintosh emulation packages for other computers, or
outright Mactintosh compatible machines.  These are what I know of so far:

		Macintosh Compatible Computer List

Name		Host computer	Mechanism	Limitations?	Price?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Outbound	Outbound laptop	Apple ROMs
Spectre GCR	Atari ST	Apple ROMs
Amax??		Amiga		Apple ROMs
Liken		Sun Sparc	emulation no license
??????		NeXT
Hydra		ISA card	Apple ROMs
Cork		Cork desktop	Apple ROMs

Please post or mail additions or corrections.   Can any of these
machines be considered as viable alternatives to actually buying a
Macintosh?  If one already owns one of the above computers, the
emulation package might be cheaper than buying another computer.  Could
someone buy one of the above systems and hope to use it as a Macintosh
only?  Can the above systems do everything that Apple Macintosh
machines can?  Also, which companies have been threatened or sued by
Apple?
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Site in Puerto Rico needs help
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:16:09 GMT


I was recently contacted by a site in Puerto Rico and was not able to
help them.  They are not on the net and do not have uucp access to a
site on the net.

They are trying to bring up wais and gofer for use at their University,
where they do have an internal net.  To do this, they need a functioning
C compiler.  They contacted me to see if I could help.  I couldn't help
them directly, but promised to pass on their plea.

They need a *binary* copy of GCC and libraries for SCO Unix.  With that,
they believe they will be able to go forward.  This must come on a floppy
or floppies, as the only tape they have is something I'd never heard of
(no, not an Irwin either).  If you have such or are willing to help out
somehow, drop a line to:

    Omar Sevarino
    1215 Roosevelt Avenue
    San Juan, Puerto Rico 00920

    Voice: 809-783-9080
    Fax:   809-782-1393
-- 
scs:  Tied for last on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.
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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:26:20 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <26190@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
>>Does Apple sell any software (besides the OS)??
>
>PC Exchange, QuickTime, MPW.
>T

(Hi davros...)  Our company recently bought a Mac because our US customers
insist on having our software running on it.  (Personally I've been avoiding
it as long as possible because I agree with the FSF's boycott of Apple)

I have to admit I was impressed by Apple's marketing - within a couple
of weeks of buying MPW C we got a new CD in the post with an upgrade.  No
extra charge (I refrain from saying 'free' - I'm not that naive).

I had a good chuckle though when three days later a floppy arrived saying
under no circumstances to use the CD since it was dangerously buggy, and
to use the one on the floppy instead :-)   I bet *someone* at Apple isn't
getting a Christmas bonus this year *chuckle*.

G
-- 
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: kenm@ginger (Kenneth Maranian)
Subject: C Test Suite for GDB ?
Keywords: gdb
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:50:47 GMT

Is there any such thing as a gdb test suite available ?

Ken Maranian
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<w4TLRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> <gapdrr.717652565@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:01:29 GMT

In article <gapdrr.717652565@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> gapdrr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Daniel R T Rothman) writes:
>You're really paying for the ROMs, which have the toolbox on them. everything
>else is really just icing. This is part of the reason NuTek scares apple
>silly,

If they are scared, they hide it well. NuTek has been around with their ROMs
for several years now, but I haver never seen any machines based on them 
being sold.

>they've got a "clean-development" room where they're reverse-engineering those
>ROM routines, and trying to figure out the copy protection schemes...

Copy protection schemes ? Are you sure you're talking about a Mac and not about
a TI 99/4? Mac ROMs are so heavily copy protected that it takes a 12 year old
with an EPROM burner to copy them :-)

Matthias

-----
Matthias Neeracher                                   neeri@iis.ethz.ch
 "You must have picked up that copy of Scarlett instead of Inside Mac
  when you tried to find the right call..." -- Keith Rollin
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Don't know how to generate an index file from a texinfo source
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:39:49 GMT
	<1992Sep29.184201.26734@news.th-darmstadt.de>
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de's message of 29 Sep 92 18:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.184201.26734@news.th-darmstadt.de> schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod) writes:
>After you compiled and installed [texindex], use it with
>     tex bison.texinfo
>     texindex bison.??
>     tex bison.texinfo
>     tex bison.texinfo

   This is what the texi2dvi script distributed in texinfo-2.15 is for.  It
figures out automatically what needs to be done to generate a proper .dvi
file. 
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:16:40 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
> In article <w4TLRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >Anyway, there is such a thing as a Macintosh-compatible non-Apple computer. 
> >The Outbound laptop is one, and the new Radius plug-in multiprocessing board
> >is another.
> 
> In both cases a Macintosh is needed for the machine to be a Mactintosh
> compatible.  Outbound merely goes to the trouble of obtaining a
> Macintosh for their machine so the user doesn't have to.

Burble burble?  If you define a Macintosh as "any machine containing Apple
ROMs", then yes, they do.  But that's about as sensible as defining an IBM PC
as "any machine running MS-DOS".

> I perhaps should have written "Mactintosh compatible computer that
> doesn't need a special peice of hardware (firmware) that only Apple
> makes and that they really don't want to sell without a computer
> wrapped around it".

How do you know they don't want to sell the Mac OS without the hardware? 
They seem to be willing to sell it to Radius and Outbound.


mathew
-- 
Civilization is just a temporary failure of entropy.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: ker@ucs.att.com (Ker)
Subject: help needed for makefile
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Distribution: inet
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:30:20 GMT

Given a set of rules as the followed:

A: a1.o a2.o
	cc -o $@  $^

B: b1.o 
	cc -o $@  $^

C: c1.o c2.o c3.o c4.o
	cc -o $@  $^

	--------
Z: z1.o z2.o z3.o
	cc -o $@  $^


Instead of writing 26 rules, is there any way to write somthing like

TARGETS = A B C ... Z

TARGETS : DEPENDENCIES
	cc -o $@  $^ 

	where TARGETS is {A}, {B}, {C}, ..., {Z}
	and DEPENDENCIES is {a1.o a2.o}, {b1.o}, {c1.o, c2.o, c3.o, c4.o}, ...,
	{z1.o, z2.o, z3.o} 


ivan@d1.att.com
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:27:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.173842.17544@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall) writes:
>Yup - and also those Atari-ST users who run Spectre GCR. They're probably
>the largest group
>of Mac cloners.

Uhm, those aren't clones, those are still based on Apple's equipment.

A clone would not contain any of Apple's code or hardware, just as the IBM
PC clones do not contain any of IBM's code or hardware.  A "true clone" (in
my book) would be one that didn't license any software (patents, interface
rights) from Apple.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:34:35 GMT

In article <1a5dkkINNj1h@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.173842.17544@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall) writes:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Outbound	Outbound laptop	Apple ROMs
>Spectre GCR	Atari ST	Apple ROMs
>Amax??		Amiga		Apple ROMs
>Liken		Sun Sparc	emulation no license
>??????		NeXT
>Hydra		ISA card	Apple ROMs
>Cork		Cork desktop	Apple ROMs
>
>Please post or mail additions or corrections.   Can any of these
>machines be considered as viable alternatives to actually buying a
>Macintosh?

I think of at least three factors why emulators are useful (at least
the two I know of ).

1) The price. (even more if the alternative system is already owned).
2) If already owning another system - good integration and sharing of
   resources with the already owned system.
3) Saving of the desk space. (I have already three monitors taking my desk
   space entirely and I can't put anything more on it).

The paid price though is usually incompatibility to a degree.
This depends on the emulator.

>  If one already owns one of the above computers, the
>emulation package might be cheaper than buying another computer. 

See point one. In the case of Mac emulator on Amiga it is still cheaper
to buy A500 and Mac emulator than Mac Plus. And it runs faster (graphics)
and have much larger screen.

> Could
>someone buy one of the above systems and hope to use it as a Macintosh
>only?  

Someone on the net quoted that at his University is a Lab equipped entirely
with Amigas with Mac emulators. These are brought up when the Lab opens.
Almost none of the users is counsious that the hardware is Amiga, not the Mac.
They use these Amigas exclusively as Macs.

>Can the above systems do everything that Apple Macintosh
>machines can?  

Not every Apple Macintosh can do everything what Apple Macintosh can.
These do all what Mac Plus does (they take Mac Plus ROMs).

>Also, which companies have been threatened or sued by
>Apple?

I think Nutek and from the noises on the net I suspect that the company
which makes a Mac emulator for Amiga was somehow contacted by Apple too.
Otherwise, users would not have to buy Apple ROMS.
This is just opinion and I could be wrong (someone is welcome to correct
me on this if I am in error)

><-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony

Regards,

Dariusz Bolski

-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: bas@phys.uva.nl (Bas de Bakker)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the free Unix projects
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
	<BRUCE.92Oct5110747@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk>
	<FRIEDMAN.92Oct5223325@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct6.081114.28892@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:52:43 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 08:11:14 GMT, tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
>>>>> said:

[stuff deleted]

ts> 	It's the late '70s.  While most of us who hack on "real" computers
ts> dismiss the new microcomputers as amusing toys, RMS realizes that he can
ts> do a lot of good with a lot of money, and realizes that microcomputer
ts> software is going to be big.  Thus is born GNU-Basic for the 8080.  Soon
ts> to follow is GNU-DOS for IBM.  These are sold as commercial, supported,
ts> binary-only software.

ts> 	Ten years later, RMS is worth about $5,000,000,000, and GNUSoft
ts> dominates the industry.

IMHO, this would not work. One of the reasons that GNU (and some other
free) software is so good is that all users can get the source code
and can therefore submit patches, extensions and the like.

Bas de Bakker.
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the free Unix projects
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:09:14 GMT
	<BURLEY.92Oct4011851@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct4.124453.10061@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 4 Oct 92 12:44:53 GMT, terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) said:

> 	The problem arises from the non-specific wording of the license and
> the fact that I can not make a profit on the distribution of the
> code.

From item 2 of the GPL:
     ... You may charge a fee for the physical
     act of transferring a copy.

So you can charge a fee for copying it.  At no point do I see any
indication that your fee must be "reasonable", or have simply to cover
the costs of physically copying the software.  Perhaps it is
ambiguous, but you're not going to get sued for trying to make a
profit in this way. 

 In other FSF/Stallman documents it is quite clear that FSF has no
objections to you charging as much as you like for providing a copy of
the code, and any fee you like for whatever extra service you offer.
"Freedom" refers to what your end-users are allowed to do with the
code---that is, that they must have the same rights as you.  In
particular, they will be able to compete with you.

-- Bruce Stephens.  Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Liverpool Univ.
Internet: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk
From: stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Bug in AT&T netlib distribution for PIC
Keywords: netlib pic gpic
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:06:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

There is a bug in your distribution of '116 from research/cstr'.
My request was based on the following:

     AT&T Bell Laboratories, Computing Science  Technical  Report
     No. 116,  PIC  - A Graphics Language for Typesetting.  (This
     can   be   obtained   by   sending   a   mail   message   to
     netlib@research.att.com       with       a      body      of
     `send 116 from research/cstr'.)

It comes in two shar parts.  Although the shar program re-concatenates
the two parts, the result is not successful.  Only part one prints to
page 18 (first 20 pages), and then part two is lost.

On a postscript viewer, part two reappears on page 21 but the postscript
printer does not print anything beyond page 18.  On viewer, parts of 
page 18 and all of 19, 20 are lost.

There is no obvious problem in the postscript source.

It is hard to test because everytime I run the job I get the same
20 pages of output.

Could you please correct this distribution and email me?

FYI, here are the checksums and wordcounts of the files:
Mail header removed to line "#!/bin/sh".
Blank line at end remains:

sum pic116*
05286   127 pic116
19143    97 pic116.shar1
07341    31 pic116.shar2

wc pic116*
    5355   27520  129254 pic116
    4020   20983   98609 pic116.shar1
    1359    6620   31225 pic116.shar2
   10734   55123  259088 total


Suggestions for fix:
1) Test the distribution yourself before posting.
2) Send files with a checksum
3) Do not split file


Steve Davidson
steved@cfcl.com
415-355-6535
From: roger@elvis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Roger Moyers)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: gdb-4.6 on Risc-os 4.52
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:43:06 GMT

I'd like this as well.

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--- Roger Moyers
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Software copying a felony?!
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:21:02 GMT

In article <26SEP199216294187@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov>, dc@stars (Dave Cottingham) writes:
>violation.  I would conclude that this kind of small scale copying
>cannot possibly be stopped without some kind of systematic ongoing
>search by the police -- the kind of thing we prefer to avoid.

Avoid?  How's that again?

Don't worry, when employers will start demanding mandatory monthly
home-searches and diaries of daily errands also outside working hours,
it will be a good incentive to comply.  Also, you can arrange for
civil forfeiture of all computer equipment and give ten percent of the
profits for anyone acting as an informer - that should up the loot.
Add to that federal agents soliciting for copied software (like child
pornography) and you'll catch many of the damn communist criminals.
But if that doesn't work, a mandatory government tap usable from a
remote location will be made mandatory to build into every piece of
computer equipment.

//Jyrki
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