HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:01:28 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:


>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>|> I got eyes in the back of my... nevermind.

>Don't geckos use their tongues to wet their eyes?

Oh, I forgot to mention the *rest* of the face that I have in the
back of my nevermind. Sorry!

--
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		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:13:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
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anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Tom>>  Hmmm...  "autochthonous impulses" is to "whims" as Marky
Tom>>  Mark is to Mozart.  Thanks for the compliment, Jess.  I'll
Tom>>  be Mozart to your Marky Mark any time.

Jess>  I certainly did put it backwards, didn't I?  

Nope. You put it just right. Evidently your subconscious mind 
knows the truth, even if you can't acknowledge it consciously.

Tom>>  (s) Tom, whistling the theme from the first movement of Mozart's
Tom>>  29th Symphony, and wondering if anyone will know who Marky
Tom>>  Mark is two centuries after his death.

Jess>  Not whistling it too slowly, I hope, which lots of conductors do.  

Lots of conductors whistle it too slowly? (It just isn't your day, is it?)
Seriously: if memory serves, the movement is marked Allegro 
_Moderato_, so presumably some not-so-fast tempo is required.

Jess>  I think it was the first Mozart Symphony I really fell in love with.

Me too! I love the fourth movement as well; those trills at the interval 
of a tenth a few measures in always make me shiver. 


-----

Tom Flesher  (internet: ai888@cleveland.freenet.edu)

>>> Bigotry is merely cowardice in the face of complexity. <<<
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:36:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Mark Morrissey tries valiantly to keep Nelson home, away from
Jess's excursions into cheesy ecstasy:

>In article <1992Nov18.022340.25943@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
>(Jess Anderson) writes:

>>We'll have to work on you Nelson, about sharp cheddar and
>>sharper yet Swiss cheese.  You can't get the really good
>>stuff in stores here, but in Wisconsin you're seldom more
>>than 20 miles from a good cheese factory (what a wonderfully
>>sour but clean smell they have!).

>Now Jess.  You seem to imply that Nelson should run right out
>to Wisconson and have a taste of really good cheese.  While
>this sentiment does run the gammit of innuendo, the joy  of
>good cheese is not limited to Wisconson, but may, in fact be found
>in dreary old Oregon.
>--mark

We have some pretty radical cheeses here in California, too, dudes.

You can make fun of Velveeta all you want, but leave it to California
to find a tasty and nutritious way to deal with toxic waste.

And how about that Monterey Jack, eh?  Two words: Yum - my!

;-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Angels in America" Wins Best Play Award
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:29:47 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
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In article <1992Nov13.231056.28660@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Tony Kushner's "Angels in America," which just opened at
>the Mark Taper Forum in Los Angeles the other day, has won
>the (London) Evening Standard Award for Best Play of 1992.
>I hope someone who has seen it -- either in London or LA --
>will send us a report.  I missed the premiere of the first
>part here in SF last year (:-().  It opens in New York
>(either downtown at the Public Theatre, or on Broadway) in
>January...

I saw this in San Francisco last year.
It was without question one of the best plays I have ever seen.

Certainly one of the only plays I've seen that I felt spoke to me and
my life and the society that I see myself plopped down in the middle of.
None of this boy meets girl shit.
It's rather epic in that it runs the gamut of emotions, 
from hysterically funny to rather depressing, and addresses huge numbers
of social and political issues.

It is quite long, but the time absolutely flies by.
If you can possibly see it, then do so.
(Are they doing both parts? If so, see them both).

pauli.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:01:11 GMT


In article <Bxn1n5.H58@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com
(Joseph C Fineman) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>"Demoralization of malice" is certainly a ringing phrase.
>>But I am less persuaded than you seem to be that there's a
>>phenomenon to accompany it.  The "religious war" partisans
>>may not have scored a complete victory, but they certainly
>>were not routed, either.  It isn't even a week since the
>>election and we already have news of their further
>>intentions.

>Well, certainly, the demoralization is not complete; my
>guess is that it never will be.

I must reluctantly agree.  Well, my reluctance is modified
(without embracing the idea of malice, of course) to some
degree by not being at all interested in homogeneous social
institutions.  The conjuncture of ideas and points of view
seems the most vibrant source of creativity around, and I'd
hate to think of losing that.  I'm reading up a lot lately
on unpopular speech, so these ideas are circulating
upstairs.

>But it is remarkable that the vile speeches by Buchanan et
>al.  *lost the Republicans a lot of votes*, according to a
>very general consensus in the newspapers.

It certainly seems true, doesn't it?  Buchanan and the
inflexibility of the abortion plank.  But as the campaign
got near the end, these issues seemed to matter less as
pocketbook issues assumed the dominant role in voters'
minds.  So I retain my reserve about how much and for how
long such malice has been demoralized.

>It reminds me of Nixon, who after Brown beat him in Calif.
>in 1963 (was it?), remained a swine but cut out red-baiting.
>If Buchanan ever actually wants to get elected to anything,
>he'll have to cut out queer-baiting.

I sure hope you're right, but just tonight on NBC News, the
subject of Clinton's conflicts with Congresscritters over a
new policy on the military ame up.  I think it's all going
to turn out to be a *lot* more difficult than most of us
have been thinking.  This (and the resurgence of the OCA in
Oregon, also reported on the news tonight) suggests that the
malicious people themselves are not particularly demoralized.

<> I do hope Hunter Thompson is taking notes. He's the only
<> journalist who can possibly do justice to this thoroughly
<> hallucinatory political year.
<> -- Polly Powledge (p.s.powledge@att.com)
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov15.235857.16298
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov14.004337.4196@sco.com> md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson) writes:
>I have to admit to being a little confused by your remarks - this could
>have something to do with the fact that I think that "Are You Being Served"
>is one of the *worst* programs ever produced by the BBC.

The US seems to be flooded by _AYBS_ reruns via PBS (and therefore by the
National Endowment for the Arts.) :-)  It's on every night of the week
here in Boston at 11PM.  It's a good example of British low humor.  We
watched it for a few weeks, but it's pretty uneven (and from the few times
I've seen it since, I suspect it got more so as the show progressed.)

>The character
>played by John Inman is certainly not that of an openly gay man who is
>out of the closet - it is at best a caricature of a sterotype .... (but
>then so are all of the other characters in the program so perhaps it isn't
>*quite* so bad).

Well, yes, but the character seems to be written with a fair amount of
dignity, and he's usually portrayed as superior to the others.  I find the
show lacking in overt homophobia, though his foibles and characteristics
are lampooned as much as the others.  I think he's a rather endearing
character, even if he is a caricature of a stereotype.

>So, yes, British television isn't too bad in it's treatment of gays
>but *please* don't hold up "Are You Being Served" as an example ....

Well, that show could have been a lot worse. :-)


-- 
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homos at Depth
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:04:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.180453.24758
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BxvnE3.EKE@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>We didn't do much other than dive, sleep, eat,
>and have a few "buddies should help each other out"
>sessions 

In the context of gay scuba diving trips, this is certainly ambiguous. 

>What I don't understand is why there aren't more
>queers who dive.  

What makes you think there aren't lots?  I know at least 3, and they go on
trips with other people, so that's more, and there's a gay scuba club in
the bay area called sea snakes, and an outfit in (Concord, I think) offers
gay-oriented classes.  Perhaps you just don't know how many there are
because they don't bring it up, like amateur radio operators. 

I'd try scuba myself, but I have asthma, which is a contraindication - it
can do something messy like blow up your lungs.

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394 new messages.  I hate to think of what it will be like when I get back
from my 10 day vacation, which starts tomorrow. 

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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Colorado boycott
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 09:29:46 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
| >I have mixed feelings about the boycott issue, I see the need, but wish
| >that those who did vote against #2 would not have to bear the cost of
| >this (most likely necessary) boycott.
| 
| Since more people voted for the measure than voted against it, isn't it
| likely that more bad guys will be affected than good?

Not necessarily. If you look at how the vote varied in specific
areas, Denver, Boulder, and Aspen all went decisively against 9.
More "good guys" than "bad guys" in those cities. Do you think
that the effects of a boycott will be evenly distributed around
the state? Seems likely to me that more "good guys" will be
affected than "bad".

-- 
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UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (Kid Charlemagne)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Happy TurkeyDay, all. . .
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:57:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pellns.1992Nov23.085713.17854
Reply-To: mccombj@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College

Greetings, all...

I've been reading (and once or twice posting to) this group for sometime  
now, but am going home in a few hours for Thanksgiving break.  Being away  
for 6 days will yield a message upon my return of "900 unread articles"  
(at least!).  How does one catch up quickly without missing something  
important?

Regards,
Joe.
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:04:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.200403.27386
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov16.183553.21426@ncar.ucar.edu> rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski) writes:
>Because I define "rights" in a way which happens to coincide with a that of a
>given philosopher, that makes me a "Randroid", huh?  Do you really expect 
>anyone to take you seriously with that kind of reasoning?  

Um, what "given philospher"?  Or did you mean hack writer of pulp fiction?

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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.235847.19759@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>   You know, the only person in this forum that I can think of who 
> consistantly, repetitively, and boorisly whines about people other
> than His Type is GDM. It's really quite boring, and probably indicative
> of some sort of insecurity.  

Well, you're right, of course, but in this *particular* instance, George
is exactly right. Marky Mark is just the kind of nasty little boy who'd
make annoying little rings on your coffee-table and insist on leaving
ugly greasy fingerprints on your limited edition Giger lithographs.
Shudder.

--
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:36:22 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"

In article <1992Nov17.020926.17608@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) says:
>
>Where is Patrick Stewart from, and whence his manner of
>speaking?  If you've been watching the PBS series "Space
>Age," he's the narrator.  His speaking style sounds to me
>rather different here from his role in ST:TNG, more rounded,
>less "natural" (somehow), more self-conscious.

Patrick Stewart is a Shakesperian actor from Britain.
I believe he was associated with the Royal Shakespeare Company

>
>--
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From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Nov16.212806.4163@netcom.com> <1992Nov17.002547.2196@reed.edu>
	<1992Nov17.221334.19904@netcom.com>
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:17:10

In article <1992Nov17.221334.19904@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com
(Andrew M. Solovay) writes: 

   What did I say that was inaccurate? In any event, I never said
   there was no purpose to nipples on men, or to clitorises. I said
   there was no *evolutionary* purpose; by which I meant, when they
   arose, they had no adaptive value. That was all I meant by
   "evolutionary purpose". Again, I don't see how this could be
   taken as a perjorative statement.

"Purpose" and "value" have too many connotations to be used the way
you want to use them.  Also, even if the inappropriate connotations
are disregarded, the claim you make is much, much, too strong.

Say, rather, that the mechanism(s) by which the clitoris and male
nipple evolved are as poorly understood as the rest of human evolution
(i.e. few if any known mechanisms).

Dry, but much more accurate.  The original claim is a half-baked mush
of teleology, inappropriate value judgements, and armchair
speculation.  Not a good mix, I'm afraid.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Military ban etc.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:32:56 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov16.044643.16652@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:

   I don't believe Clinton will renig.  The phobes couldn't possibly hate him
   any more for enacting the promise then they are for him making it in the 
   first place.  However, he may delay it, in the interest of a smooth 
   transition in the military policy, by consulting with the joint chiefs, and
   informing them that this IS going to happen, and they can do one of two thing 
   about it:

	   They can work in their official capasity to make it as easy as 
	   possible, or

	   They can get the hell out.

A number of them may get the hell out (including Colin Powell, who's
putting up a fuss).  And guess what -- aside from some initial rocky
publicity, this will help Clinton to no end!  The anti-Clinton people
will quit in disgust, and Clinton will be able to put people more in
line with his views in charge.

As I understand it, the General directly under Powell supports gays in
the military...

Anyway, Clinton may be treating this like he treated Jesse Jackson.
People weren't sure he could stand up to the "special-interest
groups", so he waded right in and showed that he wasn't kowtowing to
anybody.

In this case, people have questions about Clinton's ability to lead
the military.  And (for the time being, anyway), Clinton seems to be
wading in and showing them who's boss...
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Babs calls fro Colorado Boycott
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:44:03 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>First I thought this meant Babs bunny. Then I thought it was kind
>of odd for a cartoon character to take a political stance,

It's not all that odd.  We all know that Mr. Bunny, despite never
actually coming out, is queer.  The secret is not that well-guarded, 
given his propensities for drag, camp, and big smooches on Elmer
Fudd's lips. 

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: indole@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Parker)
Subject: U. of Michigan and Indiana U. Nondiscrimination Policies
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:39:09 GMT


I would like to obtain some information about the nondiscrimination
policies of these two schools.

First:  The current University of Michigan nondiscrimination statement makes
no mention of sexual orientation.  What is the status of efforts to have
sexual orientation included?


Second:  Indiana University includes the following statement in some of its
course catalogs:

     Indiana University has an Affirmative Action office on each campus
     and complies with all federal regulations against discrimination
     on the basis of sex, age, race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual
     orientation, veteran status, or disability.

This statement is a cop-out becuase, as we all know, there are no federal regs
against discrimination based on sexual orientation.  Also, I called the
Office of Affirmative Action in Bloomington and asked for a fax of the
official nondiscrimination policy.  What they sent was entitled "Reaffirmation
of the Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Policy" and made NO MENTION of
sexual orientation.  Does this mean that IU provides no protection against
such discrimination, or do I not have the full policy?

Help with these questions would be appreciated.  Please email my account
directly.

Thanks,

Matt Parker
indole@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ins and Outs
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:04:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: tdo.tdober-181192190341
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Nov16.195915.136@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> In article <1992Nov16.185553.16402@PacBell.COM>
> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

> >[George Stephanopoulos is ] also 31-years-old and single.

> My gaydar hasn't been calibrated recently, but the level
> reads pretty high on Mr. Stephanopouplos.  On the other
> hand, it didn't go blip on Pete Williams, so go figure.

That's probably because although Mr. Williams is homosexual he is
definitely *not* "gay".

See? No problem!

> Jess Anderson


TDO
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Re: 1991 anti-gay measure ruled unconstitutional
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov17.170835.20292
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov17.155754.29639@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.134659.12749@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu
>(Bil Snodgrass) quotes an article about the Concord, CA
>anti-gay-rights ordinance being overturned, with mention of the
>similar overturning of a 1988 Oregon law.
>
>Both of these are mentioned as encouraging indicators for the case
>against Colorado's Amendment 2.
>
>This is very nice, and I'm very glad these two laws were overturned.
>But I'm not sure I'd get too excited about the connection with
>Colorado. I haven't seen enough details to be sure, but I would
>suspect that these two cases found the laws in question to be in
>conflict with their respective state constitutions. The Colorado
>amendment is *part* of the state constitution. To overturn it, I
>believe, would require finding it in conflict with the *Federal*
>constitution, so it's not clear that we have any useful precedents
>yet.


Yeah, from what I have heard about the Colorado amendment it does
take a U.S. Supreme Court decision....

I don't think the reporter knew much about Co. 2.

You are also right about the two overturned cases being based on
each states own constitution....


Bil
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