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From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: Re: Concept
Organization: Ziebmef home away from home
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:18:55 GMT

wk5w@luca.bme.Virginia.EDU (William Thang Katz) writes:
| |> [...] I'm going to build a netrek farm team [..]
| There already is a team like this and it's called the Twelve Angry Men.
| The original 12 AM team, I believe, had nobody above Flt. Capt. status.

 The origin of the name 'the Commanders' is that when the team formed,
the core membership all held Commander rank or lower on bronco (one of
us may have made Captain shortly afterwards). I suspect that most non
CMU/Berkeley school teams also work this way; the odds of getting 10+
skilled and clued players from one spot are not yet all that high.

--
	"Apart from the side-mounted railguns, I demand very little
	 from my car but that it get me around in reasonable comfort
	 and dubious safety."				- J Greely
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu	           ...!{utgpu,utzoo,watmath}!utgpu!cks
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From: shafto@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Eric Shafto)
Subject: Re: embarrassing moments during a game
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:22:18 GMT

Recent embarassing moment:

After spending a lot of time ogging, I got in the habit of hitting "c"
right before swooping in for the kill.  Been toasted a *lot* by
cloaking within phaser distance of an opponent.  Ouch...

Vandervecken


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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: YAR.C (yet another reserved.c)
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:08:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <16go6nINNhcv@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bav@hobbes.ksu.ksu.edu (Brick Verser) writes:
>This ain't the right place to debate it, but Alan is basically correct.
>No working encryption technology can be exported from the U.S. without
>a munitions license

Encryption can't.

Compression can.

Hint, hint.

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
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From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: YAR.C (yet another reserved.c)
Reply-To: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.161534.25125@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) writes:
>
> [lots of discussion about using RSA for the server/client key exchange
> deleted] 
> 
> And again, there's the issue of what we can export to our Netrek
> neighbors.  I know that just about everyone and their grandmothers can
> implment DES and RSA, that's not the point;  US law, hence this
> University and I'm sure yours, prohibits me from exporting the
> technology.  I know that they have their own implementations of various
> cryptographic routines.  Let's just make sure that our reserved.c
> methods will work with their routines.

Look, we don't need to get an algorithm that is absolutely unbreakable.
Even though RSA claims a broad range of public key implementations, it
should not be too difficult to use a different public-key method.  It is
not like we are passing around classified information or anything.  The
server<->client communication can use a less secure method for the interim.
Once the NIST finishes deciding upon a nice public-key system we can use
that one.  Even if there are NSA trapdoors or other figments of paranoia we
can use it, no one who could crack the system would be interested.  Start
working on the code necessary to strap in a public-key system and perhaps
use the message authentication code on the binary (has anyone mentioned
this yet? I have lost track of where this argument is going...)

If the export thing scares you, then just get one person from outside the
US to compile the code and put it up for ftp.  One can get DES and all
other sorts of from foreign sites that negate the export problem (nothing
illegal about _importing_ the systems...)  Incidentally, last I heard the
RSA patent was still only valid in the US...hint hint hint...

RobinHood

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From: ahabig@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (Alec Habig)
Subject: Re: I will assault MUCUS(and he will not respond)
Organization: Indiana University Astrophysics, Bloomington, IN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:22:59 GMT

In article <16bf3rINNf9b@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bav@hobbes.ksu.ksu.edu (Brick Verser) writes:
>p.p.s.  Anybody from GIT wanna loan me access to an X-display next week
>while I'm in downtown Atlanta?  It'd help stave off the ugly symptoms of
>netrek withdrawl (and make reading mail and dealing with problems here
>go a lot faster than sitting with a 2400bps modem in a hotel room).

to an ubeat tempo, 1...2...3...

"Iiiii don't wanna work"
"Iiiii don't wanna play"
"jus wanna bang on me mouse all day"
From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: YAR.C (yet another reserved.c)
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:16:16 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article 6924@dsd.es.com, rjones@itchy.dsd.es.com (Ray Jones - Perp) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.203132.10482@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> adc@tardis.msu.edu writes:
> > [RSA might sue if we use RSA encryption.]
> 
> I don't think so... YOu may be thinking of DES encryption.  Even so, they
> are free to sue me for every peeny I make off of writing it up.
> 
> Even so, I have been trying to find another Public Key method.  RSA is
> *slow*.  I'm working on algorithms that will handle the 100+ digit numbers
> fast enough to be useful.
> 
> >[Government may not like the idea either]
> 
> the method for RSA is completely public.  Exporting it isn't a problem. 
> 
> Besides, I do not support software patents (or their equivalent in
> algorithms and mathematics), and this would be one easy way to thumb my
> nose at them and get good distribution at the same time.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!  I'm speaking from experience.  They, RSA
Inc., WILL have their hoard of lawyers hound you till you obtain a
license;  these guys live to intimidate anyone and they will do
anything to make you get a license.  They don't care that you're a speck
in the vast computer industry and they WILL attempt to suck you dry of
the few meager posessions you have.

RSA is not public, it is covered by a United States Government patent.
Exporting it is COMPLETELY forbidden.

Go ahead and thumb your nose at them.  Don't say I didn't warn you.


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Computer Laboratory			phone:     (517) 353-3027
Michigan State University		fax:       (517) 353-9847
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East Lansing, MI 48824
From: sr26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Alexander Racunas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: The Future of the INL
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:38:06 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Tom Holub writes:
>No, the game would not then OFFICIALLY be a tie, because the ruling body
>(which at the moment happens to be me) could disqualify you both for
>being weenies.
>
>I suppose CMU players are always looking for new and improved ways to
>be weenies.  And you guys want more teams in the fall, and consequently
>more ability to ignore league directives by 'agreements' like this.
>
>Fellow Council members, please note.
>
>Do whatever you want.  I will do whatever I can to make sure that
>no more than one CMU team (or from any other school, for that matter)
>makes the playoffs in the fall.
>
Ok, Tom, take your ball and run home now.

You are now doing more harm than good.  Don't take my word for it, just look
at the performance of your own team.  I'm not just talking about your poor play
here.  No other team was even ACCUSED of cheating, let alone caught at it.
Clean up your own act before shouting "weenie".  People will respect you
more.  And people SHOULD be able to respect the head of the INL.

If this latest fiasco leads you to step down from the awful thankless burdens
of administering the INL, many people will understand and sympathize.

The point of Netrek is to have fun.  The point of tournaments is to have high
quality games, and hence, more fun.  The point of tournaments is not to
suject hundreds of people nationwide to the random whims of some megalomaniac
power-tripping thumb-in-his-ass over-the-hill fascist weenie cheater scum.

If you think that enough of the above adjectives apply to you that you feel
insulted by them, then that should tell you something, now shouldn't it.


I offer this quote in closing, since it seems singularly appropriate:

"Stop whining and play the game"
            -Tom Holub


(this was said at the start of an INL game, when a member of the opposing team
was ghostbusted, but I think its wisdom is something we can all take to heart)
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From: jeffw@cs.tamu.edu (Jeffrey A Waller)
Subject: Re: 3rd space planet taking
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:27:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.071618.19441@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, hyin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Howard Yin) writes:
|> Re: ATT robot
|> 
|> Why bother having a stupid robot in the game.  To stop 3rd space planet taking,
|> simply make it a ghostbust or kill by god instantly.
|> 
|> If a ship attack a neutral race, gets blown away by god.
|> 
|> In that case, no 3rd race planet takeng and bombing will going to happen any
|> more.
|> 
|> Howard
|> -Pirate
|> 

This doesn't allow the "I'm gonna declare War with the Orions and fly directly at HAL thus
denying you the kill" tactic though.  I think you would agree it is much easier to
warp toward HAL than slow down and orbit a planet with a bunch of angry Feds in your wake.


								-Jeff
From: botelle@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Ged. . . how good is he?
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:23:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <UeWp3xy00VpZAF=EYa@andrew.cmu.edu) tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Timothy C. Worsley) writes:
)Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 14-Aug-92 Re: Ged. . . how good
)is he? Michael Moore@itchy.dsd. (2309)
)
) Craig probably isn't any more skilled at basing than, say, Balinor. 
)Balinor might even be more skilled, but Balton knows what he needs to do
)better.  It's why he's so powerful OUT of a base too.  You can say all
)that you want about your skill, but when you're matched up, you just
)aren't there.  MUCUS is.  Balton is.

Tell me, do you also physically kiss their asses?

)
)	Until some CMU team loses to a non-CMU team I will find your anti-CMU
)probaganda pretty laughable.  OK, we aren't any better than anyone else.
) Those damn CMU players sure are lucky, though.

You are pretty laughable.
)
)ZZnew guy

Hector

P.S.  Was that supposed to be an ogg when you uncloaked as a base right on
me by Sco?  Didn't seem like one

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From: healy@elec.uq.oz.au (Tim Healy)
Subject: Re: Frequently Offered Clever Suggestions List
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 09:53:21 GMT

I don't know if this has been suggested before (or tried for that matter)
but with making the kill system fairer, instead of getting an absolute kill
have a rule like (damage you do)/(enemies total damage) +0.1*(kills of enemy
+ armies)

so if you hit a dd with a 60 point phasor you get 60/170+0.1*(..)=.35+.1*()kills

with this system if you have been dogfighting for a while and repairing on the 
run the winner could possibly get 1.5 or 2 kills for his/her effort which means
that you get more offensive DI for dogfighting than if you just ogged someone.

just an idea

Tim Healy
From: botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: 3rd space planet taking
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:28:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <169v3nINNioc@agate.berkeley.edu> tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub) writes:
>
>And getting back to my baseball analogy, 

For God's sake, Tom, lose that damn stupid analogy.  It sucks.

> -Mojo

Hector 8 - he's pissed (he can't count either)
From: bav@hobbes.ksu.ksu.edu (Brick Verser)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: I will assault MUCUS(and he will not respond, because he never reads this group, at least he never posts to it... which all things considered is probably a good idea....)
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:01:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: moe.16bg4pINNf9q
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ksu.ksu.edu

mmoore@itchy.dsd.es.com (Michael Moore) writes:
>	But when I logon to rwd4 and find 5 or 6 MUCUSAI, from all sorts
>of different places, I really start to wonder...  I suppose I should
>be happy that it is impossible to inflate MUCUS PIG's ego further, which
>is what might happen when rwd4 becomes a veritable shrine to his name.

I had noted this a while back.  But accusing one poor chap from Iowa State
of Mucus envy apparently did not endear me to him.  

>	-Michael (Ged...waiting for the MUCUS PIG posters to come out)

Oh...Oh...That would be so cool.  Anybody have a digitized picture of
the slimy porker?  We could do posters, and then dot-to-dots, and then
Mucus Pig coloring books, and paint-by-numbers.  Think of the commercial 
potential here.  Before every game you could put on your official Mucus Pig 
cap and secret decoder ring (which translates those messages the rest of you 
[those who aren't in the Mucus Pig Fan Club] think are insults but are 
really team action-messages, e.g. "Clueless maggots" really means "get ready
to ogg the base").  Wow!  I'm gonna be rich.  Who's your agent, George?
Never mind, doesn't matter...Dump him...I'll do a much better job.

--Brick

p.s.  HOCKEY!  HOCKEY!  HOCKEY!
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From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Subject: Re: YAR.C (yet another reserved.c)
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:34:18 GMT

In article 59744@mimsy.umd.edu, mcp@cs.umd.edu (Mike Polek) writes:
> Am I hearing this right? RSA (what does that stand for anyway?) has
> a patent on any authentication scheme involving encoding and decoding
> of data? Can someone be a little more specific on what their patent
> covers?
> 
> If I look in my favourite number theory book and write code to do
> large prime number exponentation as an authentication scheme, am I
> infringing on the patent? 

Yes you are.

> Is there any way to legally have a patent revoked because it is 
> absurd???
> 
> Just curious,

This line of discussion is more appropriate for sci.crypt and
comp.patents.


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From: paulsen@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Brian C. Paulsen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Ged. . . how good is he?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:35:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <weWluPS00Vp3I4mmlx@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Timothy C. Worsley) writes:

>	I know that I lot of people sneer at Michael Moore for his whimpering
>on R.G.N. but they just don't understand the power of the man.  Think
>about it. . .
>
>He can base better than Balton.

Someone should defend Mike... I never recall him saying he was better than
Balton, just on par with him...  Mike is a very good base, and his claim is
kinda hard to dispute.  However, I've only seen Craig in a base once.

>He can always avoid an Ogg from lame players like MUCUS PIG and Val Ckurai.

Hey, I never thought much of their oggs either.  The fact is that a decent
player can avoid any ogg.  Ask MUCUS, I make him look silly because I runner
scum him to death.  I never understood why Val was considered the "god" of
ogging.  Quar was decent, but also a little overrated.  Ensign's pretty good
though...

>ZZnew guy

Brian
From: jjudy@argon.berkeley.edu (Jack W. Judy)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Availability of Netrek Server Info Utilities
Date: 19 Aug 1992 00:58:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu

Is there an executable file (Dec 5000) {or simply the
source} I can get that will tell me
who is playing on a particular server?  Something like
ck_players?? which I have only heard of.

-Jack

-LURI
From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: YAR.C (yet another reserved.c)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University


This is probably the simplest and most elegant solution to our
problem.  But, when we do public key encription, won't the people at
RSA be a little upset?  It's my understanding that they believe that
just about any form of public key encryption is covered under their
patents and have shown a tendency to be on the litigious side.  Is
there a decent public key method not covered under RSA patents?  I
think that the alternative is to have every NetTrek user and server god
obtain a free license for the RSA code; this is not very convenient.

Also, I think we must consider our friends outside the United States.
I know that several US government agencies have strict rules over what
can be delivered across the border.  We must make sure that there are
encryption counterparts to our routines overseas.



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Michigan State University		fax:       (517) 353-9847
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From: mmoore@itchy.dsd.es.com (Michael Moore)
Subject: Re: Mucus... how good is he?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 08:13:34 GMT

In article <EeWozlG00VpNMKmGYY@andrew.cmu.edu> jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph E. Beck) writes:
>
>Ged:
>>    I say also that I can hold my own with MUCUS.  
>Fine, you sit alone in your private universe and believe this.  I've
>played against you and I've played against MUCUS and like it or not,
>I'd rather MUCUS were on my team.
>
>> I never said this.  I hate to resurrect an old thread, but
>>what I said was that I could hold my own with him (Balton).
>Fine, you sit alone in your private universe and belive this.  No one
>else seems willing to (at least no one who has spoken up).  
>
>Sorry if these comments seem rude, but I'm tired of Ged telling us who
>he can hold his own with.  He's as good as MUCUS out of a base and as
>good a base as Balton!  Wow!  Why didn't I notice him earlier.  He
>must be the best netrek player out there.  I don't know anyone else
>who could make the claim of being as good as MUCUS and Balton.  Sorry.
>we clueless CMU'ers will shut up now.
>
>	joe
>	Purple haze
>  

	Well, I guess this can be considered arrogance.  I wont deny
that I don't consider Mucus any better than myself.  And I don't
consider Balton a better base than me.

	But you are probably better off judgeing by those who have
played with me a great deal.  And I am fairly sure that many of them
will not back me up on this.

	Ah well, such is life.  Don't worry, I and my wild assertions
are going away very soon now.  I might as well cause as much commotion
as I can before I split.

	-Michael (Ged... whadda hypocrite, tells everyone that netrek
egos are silly and here he was hiding one the size of a planet all along.)
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From: sherod@news.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Oops.  Admiral on Doorstop
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:30:16 GMT

I just made Admiral on doorstop.  :-)

Fortunately the various info about kills, armies and planets
seems to be correct so fixing the problem should be easy.

It adds a whole new dimension to the term "rank scum".

Admiral Mithrillach
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From: mmoore@itchy.dsd.es.com (Michael Moore)
Subject: Re: I will assault MUCUS(and he will not respond, because he never reads this group, at least he never posts to it... which all things considered is probably a good idea....)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:52:27 GMT

In article <713616927.4380.0@roosa.res.andrew.cmu.edu> Rick <stimpy+@cmu.edu> writes:
>Sure MUCUS is offensive, and crude, and an all around arrogant asshole.
>But these are considered GOOD qualities at CMU...
>If he gets on your nerves, just run from him and say "bye, George."
>Then kill him and say "DIE, piggy!" That annoys him, which only
>leads to more abuse...
>
>You have to admit, sometimes he is a funny bastard.
>
>--Rick


	I will admit he is funny sometimes... and to be honest I kinda
like his logon slogan ("Hello maggots.").  I don't have trouble letting
him get to me, I just ignore his jibes for the most part, and only
when he directly interferes with my play do I react.

	But when I logon to rwd4 and find 5 or 6 MUCUSAI, from all sorts
of different places, I really start to wonder...  I suppose I should
be happy that it is impossible to inflate MUCUS PIG's ego further, which
is what might happen when rwd4 becomes a veritable shrine to his name.
Like I said before, I just consider this to be some bad joke....

	Also remember that in spite of the humor element, MUCUS does
some truly unclassy things.  Like if you don't ogg the base when he
tells you to (which can be almost any time), often you'll find he
tractors you off planets and tries to get you killed.  If you slip
up for the slightest moment, you'll never hear the end of it.  And
of course, if you are so unfortunate as to get toasted by him and he
considers you a maggot, you'll be mocked on the ALL board lickity-split.

	-Michael (Ged...waiting for the MUCUS PIG posters to come out)
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