HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zlsiimw@info.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Torches
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:03:43 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <zlsiida.569@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
writes:
|> I just bought some torches.  They'll be put away until christmas, but on 
|> that wonderful day, what fuel should I use?  H. says parafin, and that rape 
|> seed oil can be very toxic.
|> How do you put them out?  H says stick them back in the parafin.  Sounds a 
|> little dangerous.

Come on now, Dave. Name names. Who is this mysterious H?
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling,rec.puzzles
From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: do you know...
Summary: juggler on the canadian puzzle team
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:52:10 GMT

Games Magazine did an article on the World Puzzle Team Championships,
and the story mentioneda canadian mathematics student, Roy Maltby.
He is apparantly a juggler.  Anybody know him?  Are you reading
this, Roy?  Someone here in town thinks they recognize him from conventions.
There's a photo of the Canadian team on p.12.  The overall puzzle
champ was a McGill comp. sci phd student.

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From: Kim Holburn <kim@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: How to do Mills Mess
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:27:50 GMT
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:10:51 GMT

Hi,
   I've read the help file from moocow on mills mess and I've seen the
animation from jugglepro2.3. The movie didn't seem to be quite the same
as the book. I'd like to learn it but I've never seen anyone actually
doing Mills mess so I have a couple of questions. 

On Klutz's scale of 1-10 how difficult is Mills mess? 
Does anyone know of or could invent some preliminary exercises that might
help? 

Thanks in advance.

Kim
(I've been moving my arms around a lot and getting some strange looks.)

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From: ronaldb@ocf.berkeley.edu (Ronald Braunstein)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Convention in Las Vegas
Date: 12 Dec 1992 06:59:41 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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I heard there is a mini convention in Las Vegas in the beginning 
of January.

Can anyone enlighten me with more details

(where,when, how long, what are the events ...)

please respond to:

ron@geoworks.com
-thanks
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: Rola bolas
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:11:29 GMT

In article <9212141950.AA23568@usma6.usma.edu> x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT) writes:
>I'd like to make a rola bola.  I can't bear to pay the $65 Dube wants for one. 
>Does anyone have suggestions on materials (type or size or thickness)?  Or any
>other general hints?  Thanks
>
>     To Toby,  here's the quotation you were looking for.  It's from the second
>edition page 62.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                           o
>Sean Pritchard            o o    "Suppose you do learn how to do four.
>P.O. Box 3613            o   o    Then what?  Five?  Six?  It's a path
>West Point, NY 10997     \_O_/    to madness, and I would be remiss not
>x47377b2@usma6.usma.edu    |      to tell you that."
>                          / \         -Juggling for the Complete Klutz
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The ones I have made have a board made of 3/4"ply wood, about 12" deep with
a length of about 8" longer that a cofortable spread of your legs.  For the
end rails (bumpers) on the underside of the board I used a hard wood.  I
use Birch, but a scrap from a complete looking packing pallet will do.  The
bumbers are optional, but make learning that much easer. For the rolla,
I use a seven inch peice of PVC tubing with two femail to femail conectors
on either end.  These are not necessary but give more support.  A sugestion
(from Dave Altman) was to use large diameter tubes (like 12-18")  It looks
cool, and is somewhat more interesting to mount, because they emphasise the
initial swing as you climb on, but it is no harder to do.  I know a street
preformer who uses a large tube to get over the head of the croud.  Large
tubes are hard to find except along the road near construction sights.  Raid
their dumpster and it is quite likely that you will find both the tube and
the hard wood fro the end stops.

Good luck

(remember attach the end stops with no less that a #6 wood screw and counter
sink it.  If you use nails, or if you don't drill a starting hole, you can
easily split the top board or the rails.

GReg

gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu
Infinite Illusions hint # 5

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jwc2001@andy.bgsu.edu (J Cannon)
Subject: Re: Juggling Club
Followup-To: rec.juggling
Organization: Three guys in a computer lab
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.223244.56440@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
sjl3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN J. LAROCHELLE) wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hello everybody!  Can anybody out there tell me what a "juggling club"
>     does?  Do they just get together and juggle for a while.  I was wondering
>     because I was thinking of starting a juggling club at my college, but I
>     have no idea was goes on in juggling clubs since I have never been in one.
>     So can anybody out there tell me what goes on and a suggestions on how to
>     get one started?


Juggling clubs are just group therapy sessions for people who can't play
football.  Just ask Jay Gilligan.

:|

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Kim Holburn <kim@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Unicycle help file
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75632AA35020743@taijiquan.canberra.edu.au>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:18:45 GMT

Hi

Just a word about the unicycle help file.  I appreciated the discussion
about what to lean on in the initial stages of unicycle riding - the wall
versus the chairs. Now I never thought of the chairs but when I was
learning to ride, I lived in a house with a long narrow hall way. I could
reach out and touch both sides of the hall. In fact I could just hold
myself up by pushing on both walls with arms outstretched. 
There were occasional gaps in either wall for doors and stuff that made
the rides rather exciting at times too.

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From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Distribution: rec
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

In article <1992Dec10.175137.16453@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> ewn@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:


   In article <1992Dec8.144400.7300@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
   fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: 
   >>  Hi Everyone,
   >>  		I can't believe it.  That huge stepping
   >>  		stone for the 3-ball
   >>  juggler - Mill's Mess.  I CAN DO IT! 

   As a recent Mill's Messer I feel justified in commenting here as well.  Less
   than a year after I learned to juggle at all - I'm not sure which was the
   greater accomplishment.  probable juggling.  but anyway...
   I've been having problems doing this with clubs too.  I can get anywhere from
   three throws to three interations before everything collides, flies in four
   different directions (with only three clubs! ;> ), and hits me on the head, all
   concurrently and consecutively.

   Any suggestions?  Do people use doubles, singles (what I've been using thus
   far), etc?

I do it with singles. The only advice I can give is to keep the
pattern wide and make the outside throws (under arm) go straight up
(at least while you're learning). Because clubs are so much more
likely to collide you have to be in better control of where they are
going, IMHO this is easier if they are just going straight.
	Ab.

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Subject: Re: Torches
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.095527.10828@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse) writes:
> think the answer to this plus a lot of safety hints on fire is in the FAQ
>file, or possibly in the nfo directory at moocow. If you don't have ftp, mail
>me and I'll send you my original.
>
>have fun, and practise in the light. darkness is very different...
>
>ken

  There is an interesting article in the new issue of Kascade on this 
subject.  They come to the conclusion that there are two safe/good torch 
fuels.  They are (if I remember correctly)  iso-butanol and propane diol (I 
can't remember if the latter is a 1,2 or 1,3 diol).  The propane diol is 
said to be the safest but gelatinous at room temperature -- probably not 
much use to us.  The iso-butanol is said to be relatively harmless and 
smokeless.  I guess you'd have to buy these at a chemical supply house 
(look in your local telephone book.)  
  Alas neither of these are probably polar enough to solubilize metal salts 
for colored flames.   But if the propane diol is gelatinous perhaps one 
could just mix the metal salts into it and they would still color the flame
...  


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From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:00:10 GMT

Regarding chainsaws, I tried something that seemed to work pretty well.  I
had my son's Fisher Price (plastic) chainsaw in my juggling bag with the
blade extended.  On the blade I had a real chainsaw cover with "Stihl" (sp?)
on it.  In addition, I had a can of gasoline (empty) nearby.   All during
my performance, people (especially guys) kept asking "When are you going
to do the chainsaw?".  Eventually, as I reached down to grab the chainsaw
for my finale, I started a tape player in my bag which had about 15 seconds of
blank tape followed by the recorded sound of a REAL chainsaw.

I juggled two balls and the plastic chainsaw with the audio background
and they LOVED it.

yraG

"Jack of all trades ... Master of several"
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: grego@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Ostravich)
Subject: Re: What impresses a crowd?
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:52:00 GMT

In article <1glahlINNqcj@aludra.usc.edu> rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy) writes:
>After reading Richard Moll's recent posting about passersby who
>were seemingly unimpressed by 7-8 balls as well as his best 5 
>ball tricks, I was reminded of something that happened to me
>shortly after I learned to juggle 5.
>
>I was juggling rocks for coworkers and proceeded to do a decent run
>of 5 rocks.  Nobody said a word!  I then juggled 3 and did an
>under-the-leg throw.  I got lots of oohs and ahs for this!
>Everyone was most impressed by probably one of the first 3 ball
>tricks that I had learned.
>
>So what is it that most impresses a crowd?

 Fire.
 I am a wimpy to average juggler - average repetoire 
 of 3-ball tricks, my only club tricks are an occasional under the leg
 and some doubles or triples, an occasional flourish,
 but when I juggled my torches for some friends even though I only
 did an under the leg and a double they were all excited.
 I had apologized about how I didn't do anything exiciting - no
 nice tricks or anything, and they said it didn't matter -
 I juggled fire.  Go figure.

 I've heard stories from some other friends of mine who
 during a performance would do an amazing amount of 3 club
 tricks, juggle 3, 4, and 5 with lots of tricks, do
 all sorts of other stuff, but then people would ask
 "But can you juggle flaming torches?"

>I'm starting to believe that only jugglers are impressed by numbers
>juggling and difficult tricks.  
>

 I think this is true too...

>                       Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)
>


-- 
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Member of The Colorado Throwing Up Society: A Denver area juggling club
Throw up 'till you drop!           Hurl 'till you hurl!
Juggle 'till you puke!             Come throw up with us!
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:00:31 -0500 
From: Jesse Schell <jscn+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Audiences & Rola Bola

What excites audiences? I agree that it is often hard to tell. But there
is one way to find out! Test your material in front of one! If you gauge
them carefully, you will certainly know what they did and didn't like.
Some people said that the audiences don't know what's hard, so you have
to "educate" them... I would like to second this. Of course, HOW you
educate them is up to you. There's no good reason for them to know the
truth about which tricks are hard, if you can use this to your
advantage. CONVINCE them the fire is dangerous. Make them believe that
five balls took you years to learn (this actually might be true). Tell
them that you grew up with the circus, and that you had to leave when
you fell in love with the strong man's sweetheart. They will believe
almost whatever you tell them, because they want to believe it. They
want to believe that you are a magical, special person. 

Surely you've noticed that some jugglers do five club back crosses and
barely keep the audience from yawning, while others can get a standing
ovation from a three ball cascade with a high throw and pirouette. When
you educate your audience, you don't have to teach them the truth. 

I feel so bad... I've posted twice this month, once advocating stealing,
and now recommending lying. I'm not a bad person...really.

Oh yeah! Rola Bolas! I don't know, but I've been told that a good solid
board on top of an old basketball makes an excellent rola bola. Anyone
done this?
--------------------------------
Jesse Schell
jscn@andrew.cmu.edu
Information Networking Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
--------------------------------

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: David J Ward <71035.525@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: What impresses a crowd?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:18:31 EST

>Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)
and others ask:

What impresses a crowd?

IMHO I think the problem here is that people (crowds) don't want to
be impressed.  Actually, I think they would rather see you cut your
hand off with a chainsaw than watch you do something "impressive."
I don't think its that TV has hardened them to impressive stuff either.
It's different when there is somone in person there talking/performing
in front of you.

The problem with juggling and many jugglers is that when they juggle
they are not performing.  Passerbyes don't have the slightest idea
what to make of a juggler trying to do 9 balls or anything else.  If
your not in a circus performing or on stage pouring out one liners then
you are just some kind of wierdo.  Juggling is not at all a mainstream
activity for most americans.  Needless to say that if you were throwing
a football, baseball, or frisbee back and forth, noone would give it
a second thought.  So, people see you and all they can think of is
that your the street performer type.  Heckling you is the only seemingly
natural course of action somone like this could take.  Others, feeling
that seeing you there practicing is a rare opportunity, have a great
urge to say something to you.  When they try to relate to you and your
situation they inevitably say the wrong thing and insult you.  To the
hecklers you should practice putting them in their place.  To the people
who are trying to relate to you, you should thank them, no matter what
kind of stupid things they say.

As far as the impressing part I would say:  Don't try to impress, try
to entertain.  If you want to do any sort of impressing then I would
say that your best bet is to do it through the entertainment process.
Give your 5 ball cascade a funny name.  Get them to laugh while you
perform it.  When you finish, make it a big finish with your arms
outstreached. That will bring out the applause better than any "And
now for 5 balls" statment.

Standard Disclaimer
David Ward
71035.525@compuserve.com


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From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Followup to ethical approaches to stealing library books.
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:38:05 GMT


  I missed the start of the thread on this while I was out of town,
but I gather that somebody wanted to keep his local library's copy of
Carlo's book since:

  a. No one else was checking it out,
  b. the book's out of print, and not available elsewhere, and
  c. it's such a lousy book, the library would be better off carrying
a more informative book.

  Jesse Schell responded that the guy should steal the book.  I
thought he was joking, but after some e-mail between us we both agree
that the best thing to do would be for me to post this, rather than
just quietly sitting back and watching the note tacitly condone what I
take to be censorship.

  Hey fella, stealing a library book is never ethical.  To me there's
no difference between rationalizing why you should steal the book, and
censoring something you don't agree with.  You might ask me about
where to draw the line as to which books "belong" in a public library,
and which don't.

   I say one doesn't draw a line.  All these books deserve a place in
the library.  Carlo's book will be indispensable to a researcher who
decides one day to study the resurgence of juggling in the last third
of the 20th century.  It is right in tune with the meditative aspects
of juggling that attracted people in the 70s, as opposed to the
theatrical and technical aspects that Finnigan stresses.

  A valid point Jesse made is that he has tried to buy books from
libraries that were never getting checked out.  They would expressly
refuse to sell him the books, and then one day quietly "discard" them
"because so few people would ever borrow [them]."

  The solution to the problem isn't to "lose" the borrowed books.
Convince your local library to sell off its castaways.  The Ottawa
library system has a small book store for that purpose.  Tell your
library about it.  Have the library administrator give the Ottawa
Public Library's business office a call at 613/598-4004 (Eastern
Time), and let him or her find out first-hand what a good source of
revenue this would be for cash-strapped libraries.

  Stealing books...  Next thing you'll be building wooden triangles
with internal sequencers that play music when you bounce balls off them.
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
From: lcaselli@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa A Caselli)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling stores
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:46:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Aside from Center Stage, take a look through the Chicago yellow pages
under magic and party stores.  I got lucky once and found some cigar
boxes in a magic shop in the city.  Better to call the places first
than chase around.  Otherwise, Center Stage is the only place I know
of that carries any line of juggling props-- and at that, they only
carry Jugglebug.

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From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Book question
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:36:05 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <168B3A07F.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU  
(macphil) writes:
> (while this account is still functioning...)
>  
> I'm hunting for "How to be a Goofy Juggler" on behalf of a co-worker...
> does anyone know if it's still in print, publisher, ISBN, etc.? It's
> another one of those the regular bookstores don't know about it...
> (I checked moocow and couldn't find the book list)
> thanks!!
>  

Well, I powered up my handy LibraryOfCongress.app which automatically ftps to  
the Library of Congress internet site and lets you look up book in a number of  
ways, typed in the title, and got this info:

Type of Material:	Book
LC Call Number:	GV1558 .F55 1987
Author:	Fife, Bruce, 1952-
Title:	How to be a goofy juggler : a complete course in juggling made  
ridiculously easy / Bruce Fife.
Publication Info:	Colorado Springs : Java Pub. Co., c1989.
Phys. Description:	126 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
Subjects:	Juggling.
Subjects:	Juggling--Humor.
LC Card Number:	87036149
ISBN:	0-941599-04-3

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From: rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: What impresses a crowd?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 11:09:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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After reading Richard Moll's recent posting about passersby who
were seemingly unimpressed by 7-8 balls as well as his best 5 
ball tricks, I was reminded of something that happened to me
shortly after I learned to juggle 5.

I was juggling rocks for coworkers and proceeded to do a decent run
of 5 rocks.  Nobody said a word!  I then juggled 3 and did an
under-the-leg throw.  I got lots of oohs and ahs for this!
Everyone was most impressed by probably one of the first 3 ball
tricks that I had learned.

So what is it that most impresses a crowd?

I'm starting to believe that only jugglers are impressed by numbers
juggling and difficult tricks.  

                       Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)