HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:28:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62582@cup.portal.com> <+6fmdv@lynx.unm.edu> <62611@cup.portal.com>

---are infusing the qualities of color, light, {time} and frequency into
those connection points of the ley lines {crossover, See,} That's
why some of the circular configurations {will just} be a circle, others
will {seem} more elaborate, like two barbells and two parallel lines,
you know that they look like two {little} lines that are, the purpose 
of which even goes further {that}, each one of these are access points
for the earth's conciousness to also exchange with her {conciousness}
and her higher {range}.  This is what your have, high conciousness. This
is what you have {conciousness} with God, but guess what, the earth does
too, and it's not the Star Command.  The Star Command is just assisting,
a service department, but she also has the conciousness of God and ---
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: re  Caution for UFO investig
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:02:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul2.222413.7439@news.unomaha.edu> <Brr2CI.1CE@apollo.hp.com>

Dear Peter: You made an interesting quote. It might be good to find 
out all you can about those two words I AM.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa )
Subject: Erich Von Daniken
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:14:33 GMT



Hi, this is Mike.
	I was just wondering if anyone out there took seriously
the theories and claims of famed author and traveler Erich Von
Daniken. While some of his statements are, I know, a little too
far-fetched and absurd to even be considered, there are a few
of his ideas which I've found to be quite convincing.
	I have all of his books and have seen his movies, which
were based on his writings. I cannot believe that, in all the
vastness of the cosmos, there has not been any visitation to
the Earth in the past. After all, we are but a very young planet.
	Responses?
						Michael Whittington
						mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu


--
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|I have existed from the morning of the World.|    Ain't Love Grand!     |
|And I shall exist until the last star falls  |--------------------------|
|from the Heavens. Although I have taken the  |      Send Mail To        | 
|form of Caius Caligula, I am all men as I am |   mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu   |
|no man. And so........I am a God.            |  ignore melissa for now  |
+=============================================+==========================+
	Please send no mail to melissa, as I am on a friends
	account, and could quite possibly lose my priveleges.
	My address is listed above........Michael Whittington.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:4886 alt.conspiracy:9434
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: steamshovel
From: SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Kenn Thomas)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:11:27 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

In article <4oFTNB3w165w@utopia.hacktic.nl> gary@utopia.hacktic.nl (Gary Stollman) writes:
 
>SEE ? I am everywhere ! It's impossible to implant me with one of your
>crystals..
 
We did it last week, glasshead, when you were in the shower playing with
yourself.
 
--
"I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race.
It's one of those things it is easy to talk about -- `The Jewish race is being
exterminated,' says one party member, `that's quite clear, it's in our program
-- elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them.'"[Himmler]
I'm trying to post to this list but the set up here is very confusing. Please
forgive the intrusion.  My main purpose is to contact potentials readers of and
 writers for Steamshovel Press, a conpsiracy theory magazine.  The current issu
e of SP contains interviews with Mark Lane, Kerry Thornley, Dick Gregory and Ji
m Marrs; an article on AIDS cures; a "saucer section" with UFO speculations; cr
iticism of Noam Chomsky.  Previous issues have had material on the CIA's involv
ement with Abbie Hoffman's death; the Pentagon origins of AIDS; stuff on Wilhel
m Reich.  The next issue, under production, includes an article on Reich's FOIA
file; an overview of INSLAW and the Danny Casaloro case; something on the Shrou
d of Turin; an interview with Deborah Davis, who wrote Katharine The Great, abo
out Mary Pinchot Meyer, Bob Woodward and Nixon, etc. Anyway, we're always looki
ng for contributions from the conspiracy minded for future issues and this post
,if I can get this to work right, is just such an appeal.  Contact me at this e
-mail address or at 5927 Kingsbury, St. Louis, MO 63112.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:53:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <62579@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>Wellll, a "solution" to the problem of g-forces would be an "inertia-less"
>drive.  One would be even able to make abrupt, right-angle turns at speed
>without any deleterious effects.

Irrespective of the how the drive operates you still possess intertia,
and this is what matters.  What you need to do is damp the inertia of
youself and you ship.  Then since your inertial mass is near zero
even a small amount of force will drastically change you velocity.

>
>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]

Ithlial

cary@ursaminor.unm.edu

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash 
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash 
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 
"What, was THAT?!"
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Men In Black (mib)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 09:52:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul22.183227.6227@mprgate.mpr.ca>
  <1992Jul26.151223.19673@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

Dear Fredrich: This weekend I was in Southern Calif. on a 5 mile hike 
into some American Indian country and a person by the name of Robert
Stanley told me that he once was taken on a ride aboard a Earth built
flying disk craft.  The craft was piloted by an American person. Robert
and the pilot were picked up by a craft that was a remotely controlled
craft. When they got into the craft the American took control of the 
ship and they went over and observed the Persian Gulf War that was at 
that time going on.
John Winston.
From: kevin@andorra.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John_Winston-Complete incineration
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:47:26 GMT
Reply-To: kevin@andorra.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Nelson)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory


>From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com

>who have knowledge of MIBs is sort of like interviewing a person
>who has been attempted to be eaten by a white shark. Their are not 
>very many people who have lived to talk about it. If you have the 
>experience you are convienced not to talk about it. If you do continue
>to talk about it you wake up dead.  John Winston.



               Hey John, just how does one "wake up dead"....
               Was your brain abducted sometime back?
               Maybe someone, something will trip while
               treading upon the surface of Uranus and look
               down and say "look doesn't that appear to be a brain
               or what used to be one!!"

               Look if you keep posting this ridiculous garbage
               you're just going to have to endure the heat.....

               May the toast be with you John......
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors crossposts
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:36:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Kevin: 
I have a question.  When are you going to run out of questions. The 
teachings of the people of the East are not foolishness to some 
people.  I believe they have a lot to teach us if we will but listen.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:40:50 GMT
Keywords: Get a clue numb----.

In article <1992Jul27.171026.13467@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
> Hello any & everybody,
> 
> no [ ] John, continue with your irratating ways. We love to read all of
> your responses to questions & flames that we have never seen.

i'll take this one, and hmmm
>  
> the old moronic no opinion [ ] What a stupid idea in the first place,who
> cares about someone with no opinion.
> 
What the hell, this one two.

As a small potatwos poster to this star group, i find him
quite knowledgable in the art of spirit world news with venus
people and other odd groups.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:4921 talk.bizarre:23888
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: ALIEN GREETZ
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:24:42 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul28.124019.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au>, edc432ysys@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> Saalome gam naan ben uurda gan neeber asaal hesporoona
> 
> HI ya!
> 
> 	If you know what this means please contact me !

 Salami gum not-a-number been under gun needing astral hernia.

How's that?

Jason
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien endorses Clinton!
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:56:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Bs7rLr.2oA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>   No kidding!  Check the tabloid counter at your supermarket.

I guess now that Perot has dropped out the greys have to endorse Clinton!?!?
The question is what do they have against Bush/Quayle?

Ithlial

****************************************************************************
*
*Have you ever seen a corpse at a plane crash?  Most aren't in one piece.  
*Many times they've burned to death.  Have you ever seen a corpse of 
*someone who's burned to death?  It's about the most agonizing way
*to die - many have have their mouths wide open, since they were screaming 
*in agony as they died.
*
*a quotation from:  Jim Harvey
*		   harvey@iupui.edu
*
****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Boy or Girl  (was Re: e: Ley Lines)
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:31:55 +0000


[Mysterious stone walls]

> My sources of information
> say that they are about 22,000 or more years old.


How is that date derived ?  Do you have any more details on these
walls (I've not heard of them before, but then I am on another
continent !) Are they literally continuous walls, or are they lines
of separate stones ?  Are there any signs of deliberate stone-masonry
on them ?

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:4757 sci.skeptic:13160
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 02:43:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul22.131739.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> <62660@cup.portal.com>
  <a7gm+nj@lynx.unm.edu>

In article <a7gm+nj@lynx.unm.edu>
cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:

| [...]
| The idea behind special relativity is that information cannot be conveyed
| from place to place at a velocity exceeding the speed of light.  Since 
| gravity betrays the presence of matter its effects cannot propogate 
| faster than the speed of light.  Another way to look at it that gravity
| like other forces is conveyed by bosons.  Bosons, depending on if they
| are massive or not travel at the below or at the speed of light
| respectively.
| [...]

Nicely explained; thanks!  (Ever think of becoming a science writer? :-)

Now we have the problem of the Black Hole (I need to get a copy of Hawkings'
book(s)): given that a BH is so massive it prevents photon emission, can one
infer that gravity "outreaches" light?  I thought photons were massless, so
what is the attractor?  Must the answer await the formulation of a Unified
Field Theory?

Could a BH be detectable by OTHER than observed perturbations of other masses?
In other words: does a BH radiate "anything", or is it the ABSENCE of radiation
and other energies that defines an instance or the presence of a BH?

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Keywords: Get a clue numb----. 
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.171026.13467@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>Hello any & everybody,
>
>Mabye John will get the MESSAGE this way?!?! All those in favor of dear old
>John_-_Winston sending e-mail instead of posting his responses to the world
>at large , please post a RE: to this message to let the post happy
>bandwidth burner
>know we are all growing weary of his blatent disregard for information
>dissemination in an organized & efficient manner.The next step of course
>would be to contact the NETWORK POLICE to give him a keyboard enema.
>
>Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 

	I suggest he resort to esp-mail to save on bandwidth.

	By the way, how do you put a person in a KILL file? I was able to
kill subjects in my kill file, but a certain person's posts keep appearing.
Thanks a meg.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: timpson@nntpd2.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:57:03 GMT


In article <aZZ9NB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com>, garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman) writes...

>court of law...If you want to think I a nut, fine...But please don't try 
>to ruin my reputation by making others believe that I am writing totally 
>ludicrous notes on here...Thank You,
>                        Gary Stollman

> This is from
>     garys@bluemoon.rn.com
>who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet

        Gary,

        All of your  notes  a ludicrous and your reputation as a nut case
        has not been damaged, so don't worry about it.

        Steve Food_for_the_Grays
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: wilbur@whale.cps.msu.edu (Richard Wilbur)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:06:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.184358.10709@news.eng.convex.com>, swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul19.003451.17413@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wilbur@oyster.cps.msu.edu (Richard Wilbur) writes:
|> >Everyone forgets that: as the ship goes faster, the ship will also get heavier.
|> >Thus requiring that much more energy.
|> >
|> >Einstein theories.
|> 
|> First of all, the ship does not get "heavier;" its mass increases.

That's what I get for using loose terminology...


|> Second, this effect is only observed from a non-accelerating reference frame.
|> If you are in the same reference frame as the ship (moving and accelerating

I thought it was clear that I was talking about a relativistic equation.

|> at the same rate - that is, at rest with respect to one another)
|> then you will not see an increase in mass.  If you travel to a distant

[ STUFF DELETED]

|> your craft while traveling at 0.9 C?  BOOM!    ;^)
|> -- 
|>             _.
|> --Steve   ._||__    Welcome to the World's First GaAs Supercomputer
|>   Warren   v\ *|    -----------------------------------------------
|>              V  




BRICK
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: timpson@nntpd2.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
Subject: Re: Artsy MIBs and Alien MIBs
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:48:33 GMT


In article <62546@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>I don't think so Joe.  I'll have to admit sometimes not knowing 
>about a particular problem and not doing anything about it can 
>often be a good method of keeping you out of trouble.
>John Winston.


        Dear John

        Would it be possible for you to stop cluttering the networks with
        your  personal messages.    This  is  incredibly  irritating  not
        mention that it violates network etiquette.  Please send all your
        meaningless (to the rest of  us)  messages to the intended target
        versus the whole world.

        Thanks

        Steve Food_for_the_Grays
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:32:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Ley People: I will now put down Part 2 of the information from 
Shaari about ley lines.----So then this evening we'll devide it into 
two chapters. The first chapter is the mysterious {figures} that have
occurred in the wheat fields across the planet and the second chapter is 
the mysterious markings of the Nasca Lines and I know there are hundreds
and thousands more, but for purposes of this evening we'll start with
these two.
   Recently I was involved in a discussion over the telephone with one of the
researchers of these particular circular configurations in the wheat 
fields in Great Britain. {It was} a delightful discussion {because} he
asked me what I thought they were, and again my background in the
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Adamski??
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:47:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Seeker of Truth: If I might be permitted I will attempt to give 
you my opinion of George Adamski. It has been my good pleasure to read
all of the books about and by Mr. Adamski. Back during the 1950s their
were many people who took rides in flying saucers. One of them was 
G. A.  Some of the people that he came in contact with were from
Venus. They were the nice looking blond (usually) and sometimes had
page boy type haircuts. George had a contact with a being in the desert
I think near Landers, Calif. on the road to Parker, Nevada. Those who 
have contact with space people were called contactees. Last summer I 
went to the same spot where G. A. had his contact and it was quite
an experience.  The people from Venus are referred to------John Winston
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:09:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.154025.12809@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
|> >
|> >What happened next was one of a few strange things that has happened to
|> me
|> >inmy life.I'm not sure exactly what time it was but it was
|> pre-sunrise(you
| >know when the sun has not come up over the horizen but the light begins
|> to
|> >dominate over  the darkness.Well like I said , I never wake up but that
|> >morning I woke out of a dead sleep & sat strait UP! Looked out of the
|> >screen door to see to my amazement
|> >7-10' creature standing
       .......................

|> 
|> >>A classic description of a hypnogogic (or is is hypnopompic?) vision,
|> >>a hallucination that occurs at the boundary between sleep and
|> wakeflness
|> >>Sometimes the visions of the dream state and the background of the
|> >>wakeful state become superimposed, for just a few seconds. Relax,
|> >>you're perfectly normal - plenty of people have had experiences like
|> this.
|> 
|> >>I think that a lot of the "night abductors" are visions of this same
|> >>sort. The mind provides the scary image, prompting the viewer to contact
|> >>Budd Hopkins, and he "leads" them to fill in the rest.
|> 
|> -- 
|>   
|>         >>Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
|> 
|> 
|> Dear Mr. Closemindicus cause it has never happened to Himicus,
|> 
|> You always seem to have a pat explanation for everything.You were not
|> there,so I can't see how you can postulate such an irresponsible & ignorant
|> speculation. I was fully awake genius. I can tell the difference between
|> reality & a dream,although I don't think you will wake up from your
|> personal nightmare!
|> 
|> From the evidence I have seen sir,you are not a skeptic.......but a person
|> who will deny anything that does not fit into the glass house you call
|> reality.The day might come where a rock might be thrown in your general
|> direction.....are you ready? As the glass shatters & crumbles around you,
|> will you hold together or put a gun to your head? Only time will
|> tell...........
|> 
|> Like I have said to you before Robert.......
|> 
|> "Feel not the comfort of your slumber,for when you awaken ,it may be too
|> late"
|> 
|> R.I.P.
|> 
|> Rod
|> 
|> -- 
|> Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
|> Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
|> rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."
|>                  |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
|> 
|> 
|> 			

 Robert Sheaffer's response was a calmly rational alternative explanation
for that night's events.  It's important that we keep open minds and remain
receptive to all arguments, whether they agree with our stand or not.

Rod Beckwith's attack on Robert, however, was as incoherent as it was hysterical.

Rod, I suggest that you read the quote in your sig.  Pay particular attention
to the word "illusion."

Mike Lynch
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Boy or Girl  (was Re: e: Ley Lines)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:41:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Andy: How are you today, I forgot to ask? Please forgive me but
hello Andy is a saying I use to greet any and everone. How are you I forgot 
to ask is a joke amoung my friends.  You asked about the Mysterious Rock
Walls. They have been invertigated by many groups. Some people think
they are only 220 years old but my friends think they are 22,000 years
old and that information comes from psychics mostly. They appear to 
be is some cases to be only about 4 feet tall and about 1 and one half
feet wide. They will run for hundreds of yards and even have two 
walls running along parallel to one another. There is a group investigating
them in Fremont Caif. that one of the members of the group was a 
medical doctor whoes last name is Fisher.----John Winston.------
From: lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Hatton: CIA or ET?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:09:38 GMT

There is a growing body of people (myself included) who feel that Hatton
is a joke and Green is actively working with the CIA to produce disinformation
regarding UFOs and ETS. I always did like a good mystery! ;^)

Does anyone have anything at all regarding Green? If you do please Email
to lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com

Thank You
Len


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
From: cse0947@desire.wright.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:24 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the Bigfoot legend may be 
connected with alien visitors?