HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: rRNA (was Re: MRNA)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:45:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I've just run across something of relevance to Ken's ideas about
bandwidth limitations in rate of DNA transcription.  Some stretches of
DNA are repetitive, adding another layer of parallelism to the
"computations" involved.  As a specific example (until today I didn't
know it could be this involved) _Xenopus laevis_ (the south african
clawed frog) has 450 copies of the genes coding for 18S and 28S rRNA,
and 24,000 copies of the gene for 5S rRNA.  These RNA's code for the
machinery that creates proteins, and is not actually translated into
proteins itself.  One might infer from the numbers that if "bandwidth"
limitations got to be a problem, then more channels could be opened by
the addition of more copies of any particular gene.  I got the numbers
from _Evolutionary Biology_ by D. Futuyma.

Does anybody know if all of these copies are *really* identical?
Given that (in my understanding anyways) new genes arise largely from
copies of previously existing genes, how is it that the sequences of
the copies of the rRNA genes in _X. laevis_ don't mutate
independently?  (I'm still close to the beginning of Futuyma's book,
so please feel free to respond by telling me to keep reading :-)

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: ljones@utkvx3.utk.edu (Where UT leads, others will follow.)
Subject: Nature Center Needs Animal Trophies, Skulls, and Skins
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:15:00 GMT

Hello all!

     Ijams Nature Center in Knoxville, Tennessee is in need of animal
trophies, skulls and skins. Pam Petko-Seus, our wildlife biologist,
needs them for outreach programs at local schools. They will also
be used in our museum.

     Ijams was established by the Audobon Society on property
willed by the Ijams family. The center leads school groups
on educational trips on the property on most days of the school
year. Wildlife biologist Pam Petko-Sues travels to area schools
to teach children about wildlife. There is a museum and a
pavillion where UT professors and area naturalists give talks.
Ijams is a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.

     We are asking for trophies, skulls, and skins of animals native
to eastern North America north of Mexico. Until we build our new
nature center, we will not have space for exotic species. Specimens 
should already be prepared, as we can't afford to take specimens
to a taxidermist.

     Contributors will receive the Ijams newsletter and the satisfaction
of helping a good cause.

     Send me email describing any specimens you would like to
contribute and I will send you Ijams address.

Thanks!
Leslie Jones
Ijams naturalist 
Xref: sparky sci.bio:4954 sci.med:24275 sci.engr.biomed:713
From: mchenry@latech.edu (Michael Q. McHenry)
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.med,sci.engr.biomed
Subject: Endolymph recipe?
Followup-To: sci.bio
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:00:46 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.engr.latech.edu
Summary: Need chick or bird endolymph formula
Keywords: endolymph chick bird human

Greetings.  Does anyone have a reference for the chemical
composition of chick endolymph?  Other birds would be okay,
and the recipe for human endolymph would also be interesting.
I have been unable to find a source for this info in our
library, although I do have a fine reptilian endolymph
reference.  I believe that the differences between reptile
and bird endolymph would be significant, so I would greatly
appreciate any information via e-mail.
-- 
Quinn McHenry                 "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it
mchenry@engr.latech.edu        is necessary that at least once in your life
Biomedical Engineering         you doubt, as far as possible, all things."
Louisiana Tech University                   - Rene Descartes
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.bio.technology,sci.chem,sci.comp-aided,sci.crypt,sci.electronics,sci.energy
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross)
Subject: Re: interactive supercomputing
Keywords: computational engineering,numerical analysis, supercomputing
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:22:54 GMT

Another big cycle crunching discipline is computational chemistry.
I am somewhat familiar with 2 fields: quantum & molecular mechanics.
Quantum: look for references to Gaussian & Gamess programs.
Mol mech: look for book on simulation of liquids by Allen & Tildesley;
basic approach is to view atoms as point charges & masses connected by
springs & do Newtonian stepwise dynamics.

Send mail to amber-request@cgl.ucsf.edu if interested in access to
mol mech code. 

Quantum Chemistry Program Exchange (QCPE) probably
has some major codes for distribution cost too.

                Quantum Chemistry Program Exchange (QCPE)
                Creative Arts Building 181
                Indiana University
                Bloomington, Indiana 47405

                Contact: Dr. Richard Counts
                Bitnet: COUNTSR@IUBACS

Bill Ross
From: anadeem@ampere.sci.bio (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Edge Detection And Segmentation Using Khoros And PV-WAVE Sotfware
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:28:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ampere.ANADEEM.93Jan27012819
Distribution: sci.bio
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
        I am currently working on a research project that involves generating
solid or geometric models from MRI images. Part of the procedure will require 
me to possibly perform Thresholding & Edge Detection on my MRI images in order
to find out which pixels lie on boundaries between two different regions. 
Thus, I would like to have an Image Processing Software package that has good 
Edge Detection and Classification ( Segmentation ) modules/routines.  
        I have heard a lot about Khoros ( University Of New Mexico) and 
PV-WAVE (Precision Visuals) and was curious if other professionals or students
had any experience on how good they are for the above purposes. Suggestions 
on other software packages are also much welcome.
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
From: eb3@world.std.com (Edwin Barkdoll)
Subject: Re: MRNA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:58:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.041055.24779@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
>From article <105875@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>by barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (spacesareforthefeebleminded):
>> In article <1759@tdat.teradata.COM> swf@tools3teradata.com
>> (Stan Friesen) writes:
>>>In article <104941@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>>>rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe) writes:
>
>>>|> >The brain statement is based on the fact that neurons have less
>>>|> >DNA per unit weight than other kinds of cells (eggs-cluding eggs
>>>|> >and who knows what other special cases).  
>
>>>|> I suspect that this is generally untrue.
>
>>>Ah, but it is in fact exactly literally true!  All cells in a single
>>>body have the *same* amount of DNA (with a few wierd exception like
>>>the polytene chromosomes in the salivary glands of Drosophila).
>
>> 	Ah, but it is in fact exactly literally false!  Class
>> switching of B cells, antigen specificity selection of immunoglobulins
>> and T cell receptor specifity all involve deletion and recombination
>> of DNA.  Then of course most ("most" is just to hedge my bets) mature
>> mammalian red blood cells have NO nuclear DNA.
>
>First of all, I would argue that both your examples might be classified
>as "weird exceptions".

	Given that the number of neurons claimed to be in the human
brain is ~10^11 and the number of RBC's in the average male is about
10^13, together with the fact that marsupials, monotremes and
eutherian mammals have anucleate RBC's, I suggest that you have an odd
sense of what is a "weird exceptino".  Ditto for B and T cells.
Although the numbers in a normal individual are lower - say a
mere 10^10 - they are ubiquitous in mammals, birds and possibly
reptiles, amphibians and fish (not sure about the last three).

>More importantly, I am skeptical that the
>DNA rearrangements you refer to could have any measureable effect on
>the rather crude DNA-per-unit-weight measurement.

	Obviously.  That was not my point regarding B and T cells,
rather I took exception to Stanley's strong statement above.

-- 
Edwin Barkdoll
eb3@world.std.com
Newsgroups: sci.bio
From: rramser@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Rusty Ramser)
Subject: Bio-electricity of the Brain
Organization: NASA / Kennedy Space Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:50:36 GMT


(I'm assuming that by the name of this newsgroup, you
 all are a medical and/or biology-based discussion group.
 This looked like the most appropriate newsgroup to post
 this question because of that.)

I am reading a type of sci-fi book that describes a
certain type of psychic attack in the following way:
  "It is a massive assault upon all neurons in
   the brain, attempting to destroy all by a
   massive overload of signals."

What does this sound like to you medically-oriented
people?  Would this type of attack cause any real
physical damage to the brain or other parts of the
body?  Would there be psychological or serious
brain damage?

I realize this is rather hypothetical, but some of
you who know something of the biological workings of
the brain (e.g., neurons, synapses, etc.) might be
able to take an educated guess.

Thanks for any input.  Posting is okay, or e-mail
to the below address.

+---------------------------------+
| Rusty B. Ramser                 |
| DL-DSD-21                       |
| Kennedy Space Center, FL  32899 |
|                                 |
| rusty-ramser@ksc.nasa.gov       |
+---------------------------------+
From: connolly@piglet.cs.umass.edu (Christopher Ian Connolly)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: MRNA
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:05:27 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <C16pGA.K3u@iat.holonet.net> ken@iat.holonet.net (Ken Easlon) writes:
>This refers to the bandwidth of the mRNA transmission facilities, estimated
>at 200 kilobytes/sec.

Wait up -- maybe you should use a more descriptive term, like
"transcription rate", i.e., what, specifically, do you consider to be
"bandwidth"?  Is it just the passage of mRNA out of the nucleus?  What
about RNA editing?

Put another way: I could write a one-line program that would never
terminate -- it would represent an infinite amount of "computation",
yet only consist of one line's worth of program.  So the length of DNA
means nothing in that context (assuming more than just transcription
or similar processes).
-- 
	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Christopher Ian Connolly			connolly@cs.umass.edu
Laboratory for Perceptual Robotics		wa2ifi
University of Massachusetts at Amherst		Amherst, MA 01003
From: rmt@unh.edu (Roy M. Turner)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: AI SIMPIFICATION
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:45:50
Organization: Computer Science Department/Marine Systems Eng. Lab., U. New
	Hampshire
Reply-To: rmt@cs.unh.edu (Roy M. Turner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: agate.unh.edu
In-reply-to: 90dobias@cc.ensmp.fr's message of Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:52:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.175245.28036@ensmp.fr> 90dobias@cc.ensmp.fr (Philippe DOBIAS <90dobias@cc.ensmp.fr>) writes:

> For the last time, I'm willing to say something on the subject,
> but I swear, it's the last time (oups, should I really ?)

> In article <9301201813.AA05004@TIS.COM>, richard@TIS.COM (Richard Clark) writes:

> [much stuff deleted]

> All right, this was my contribution everybody. I quit now.


Let's all quit now.  This is a biology newsgroup, for heaven's sake -- leave
these biologists in peace.

Oh, by the way--the "correct" answer to what is AI?  Neither of ones we've
seen in this discussion so far.  Maybe posters should learn something about
the field before venturing their opinions of what it is?

--
-------------
Roy M. Turner
Research Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science/Marine Systems Engineering Laboratory
Kingsbury Hall, University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH 03824
Internet:   rmt@cs.unh.edu			Phone: (603)862-2980
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg)
Subject: Re: Biofeedback Treatment for Attention Deficit Disorder?
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:27:35 GMT

>> Does anyone know if biofeedback techniques have been
>> effectively used in treating people with Attention Deficit
>> Disorders (ADD)?  Has any research been done in this area?
>
>What exact biofeedback techniques were you thinking about anyhow, Stuart?
>(Just trying to concieve of how they might possibly be useful in training
>my students to attend to a task for more than fifteen seconds).

Biofeedback from EEG monitoring has been used. The subject is given an
indication as to whether he is procucing alpha (alert but inactive,
mentally) or beta (thinking) brain waves. The subject is to keep the beta
waves coming. There is a literature on this, but I beleve it is small.
Some report excellent results.

Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu)
From: werner@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Statisitc packages for the Mac
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:35:38 GMT
Organization: School of Education, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.soe.berkeley.edu

In article <1k6308INNpvn@rave.larc.nasa.gov> Ed Bogart writes:
>Paul.Hemeren posts;
>
>=I am currently in the market for a stats. package that can do multiple
>=regression and multidimensional scaling/cluster analyses on the Mac. 
>
>The package you want is Systat.  We have been using it for several years
>and are still happy with it.  It costs more than most stat packages but
>is far more powerful.

You might also want to check out:

* SPSS for the Mac - probably does all the stats you want, but has a
  mainframe-style interface and no graphics (as opposed to Systat, 
  which has a mainfram-style interface with decent graphics, at least
  last time I looked at it.)  Disclaimer:  I used to work for SPSS Inc.

* DataDesk.  Has a _very_ nice Mac-like user interface, but I'm not sure
  if it does cluster analyses.  A educational psychologist I worked with
  just converted from Systat to DataDesk and loves it.

* JMP from SAS Institute.  Has a fairly nice interface, but not as nice as
  DataDesk.  I'm not too sure if it does all the stats you want.

I hope this helps.
-- 
John Werner                        werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education    (510) 596-5868 (new number)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:02:19 GMT

SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY

I am posting the following announcement for my sister.  She is looking  
for subjects, primarily in the New York City area (the closer to  
Manhattan, the better) or in the vicinty of Princeton, NJ, to  
participate as subjects in a study on the psychology of the postpartum  
period.

At this point, my sister is in greatest need of subjects for the  
control group --females between 18 to 40 years of age, with no  
children, who are not presently pregnant.  If you can participate or  
if you know people who can participate, please read on.  The telephone  
nunber to call is listed below.

Thanks,
Phil Menos

--------------------------------------------------------------
                      SUBJECTS NEEDED

I AM A Ph.D. CANDIDATE IN CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY, CONDUCTING A
STUDY OF THE POSTPARTUM PERIOD, A LONG NEGLECTED AREA OF
RESEARCH.

                IF YOU ARE 18-40, FEMALE AND

O    EITHER RECENTLY GAVE BIRTH TO A CHILD (WITHIN THE LAST
     NINE MONTHS)

O    OR DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN AND ARE NOT CURRENTLY PREGNANT,

YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A STUDY THAT WILL TAKE 15
MINUTES OF YOUR TlME WITH ME.  AFTER THIS BRIEF MEETING, YOU
WILL BE GIVEN A PACKET OF PSYCHOLOGICAL INVENTORIES THAT WILL
TAKE 40 MINUTES TO 1 1/2 HOURS TO COMPLETE (DEPENDING ON
WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO DO THE ABBREVIATED VERSION OR NOT), AT
YOUR LEISURE.  THE PACKET WILL BE SELF-ADDRESSED AND STAMPED.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE, JUST PUT IT INTO THE MAILBOX.

AFTER THE REBULTS HAVE BEEN ANALYZED, IF YOU WISH, I WILL
CALL YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT
THE 5TUDY AND TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK REGARDING YDUR TYPICAL
MODES OF FUNCTIONING ALONG VARIOUS DIMENSIONS OF PERSONALITY,
YOUR TYPICAL SHIFTS IN PERSONALITY ORGANIZATION UNDER STRESS,
YOUR PERSONAL STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES AND OTHER PATTERNS OF
PSYCHOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING SUGGESTED BY YOUR RESPONSES.

THE STUDY IS BEING CONDUCTED ALONG AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL
ASSOCIATION RESEARCH GUIDELINES.  ALL DATA IS STRICTLY
CONFIDENTIAL.  YOU WILL BE IDENTIFIED WITH A CODE NUMBER.
INFORMATION LINKING YOU WITH THIS CODE NUMBER WILL BE
DESTROYED ONCE WE HAVE HAD OUR TELEPHONE FEEDBACK SESSION.

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING OR GETTING MORE
INFORMATION, PLEASE CALL:

                           Micka
                        (212) 666-2174.

              PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO A FRIEND.

                        THANK YOU.

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: Description of Overcoming Depression 2.0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:42:18 GMT

colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby) writes:
>By popular request, here is a brief description of
>OVERCOMING DEPRESSION 2.0

You forgot to include the ftp address.
Frank Fujita
From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:57:50 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu


                 *****   ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS   *****

                             TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
                     The Association for the Study of Play
      April 22 - 24, 1993 * The St. Paul Hotel * St. Paul, Minnesota

   The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue   until Saturday, April 24. There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of   research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
    For the past twenty years TASP conferences have provided  a  mechanism by  which  researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas  and  interact  in  a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
   Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad  study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees  ($60 professional and $20 student made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: winfia@sage4e.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Winfield)
Subject: Biofeedback
Keywords: Biofeedback
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:47:57 GMT

	I am in the process of doing an article search for my undergrad thesis.
Can anyone tell where I may find articles (thesises, previous reasearch etc.)
on biofeedback?  Most of the info. I have found on my own has consisted of 
books describing the process and not actual studies.  Please help.
	Thanks in advance.

-- 
                                         Tone
                                         winfia@rpi.edu
From: elia@oswine.cs.odu.edu (Lee Elia)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Need information on J L Moreno & Psychodrama
Keywords: moreno psychodrama sociometry
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:26:42 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va

Hello all.  I would like anyone who can to send (or post) info
on J.L. Moreno M.D. and his psychodrama technique, including the use
of sociometry.  I am interested in titles of relevant books, possible
places to search on the net (archives, etc), or other info.

I am a member of the Tidewater (Virginia) Psychodrama Association,
and I'd also be interested in e-mail contact with any future or
practicing psychodramatists.  I am currently training with
Ella Mae Shearon.

Thanks,


Lee
elia@cs.odu.edu

3070 Cape Henry Court
Virginia Beach, VA  23451
(804) 496-6460






-- 
"...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, 
and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby.  But 
these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, 
except to people who don't understand..."    --    the Skin Horse
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: hbsperki@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (James Perkins)
Subject: Psychology jokes
Summary: Looking for psychology jokes
Keywords: jokes, psuchology
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:38:26 GMT

Does anybody know any good psychology jokes?  They are few and far between
in my experience, but any replies would be welcome.  I would prefer you to
send them direct to me, because I don't always have access to the net, but
my account sends mail direct to a mail server.  However, please feel free to
post them, as it would be nice for other psychologists to read them too.

Cheers,
James
From: giovanni@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Giovanni S Capriglione)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Suicides
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:42:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

	Hey!
OK, this may seem a bit macabre but:
	I am writing  a paper on suicides, their causes specifically.  The 
main purpose of the paper however is to compile a series of actual suicide
notes left behind by  people who  have committed suicide.  If anyone could 
provide me with such information, or where I could get it,it would be most
appreciated.
	Thank You,




-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
Subject: Re: habits
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:30:16 GMT

In article <00728097402@elgamy.jpunix.com> elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>
>For example, I was always locking my keys in the car. So I defined a new
>stimulus/behavior pair: every time I am standing outside my car ready to
>swing the door shut, I put my hand in my pocket and jingle the keys. If I
>can't find any keys in that pocket, well, time to launch a search party! In
>my case, the reward is simply the stimulation of jingling the keys and
>knowing that I'm not going to lock the keys in the car. It's a lot more

Gosh behaviorism's great! We used to just call this "checking to make
sure I haven't locked the keys in the car", but now we've got it
redescribed in cool-o neat-o scientific jargon. It must be better
now, eh? :-)

-- 
Christopher D. Green                christo@psych.toronto.edu
Psychology Department               cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1
Newsgroups: sci.psychology