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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:12:05 CDT
From:         Fun Fun Cheng <ffcheng@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject:      What's going on here?

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I agree with Brendan Kehoe's assessment that having a published version of
Zen will attract more people to the Internet.  If I had known Zen existed
at all, I would have started using Internet sooner.  Instead, I waited until
I had time to play around, figure it out, etc.  I've been going at it for
about a month and a half (decided to plunge in without a guide).  Finally
found out a guide called Zen was out there in electronic form.  Didn't do
me much good though since I had no clue as to what was anonymous ftp, not
to mention how to use it.  I guess I'm proof that knowing something is
available free in electronic form isn't going to help much if you don't
know how to access it.  (Not to mention if you don't own or have access to
a computer, modem, and printer.)  Meanwhile, I found out my university's
computer center has a hard copy of Zen.  Guess where I'm headed next.

I'd also like to comment on David Tyckoson's view that having PACS-L Review
in print will undermine the electronic nature of the journal, and that it
does not need to be in print form "to authenticate its status as aleading journa
audience, not just the people who own computers.  Furthermore, isn't the
whole point of having the journal to distribute information to people who can
use it?  What's all this about status?  I'm sure that libraries that can
get the journal in electronic form will do so.  But those that can't should
not be penalized.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:03:25 CDT
From:         Charles Hildreth <hildreth@eagle.sangamon.edu>
Subject:      CLR OPAC Study

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A few weeks back I issued a call for input to our study of "next-generation"
online catalog functionality. I have received numerous replys with thought-
ful, excellent suggestions, but some are beyond the scope of this particular
study. Thus, a clarification is in order.

The focus of the study is on improved search, browse, and retrieval techniques
for OPACs and other (e.g., CD-ROM) information retrieval systems. To use a bit
of jargon, we are interested in improved or alternative search interfaces and
"search engines."

A large body of research reveals continuing, pervasive problems with subject
access in OPACs, and demonstrates that today's exact-match, Boolean retrieval
systems have major performance and use deficiencies.

We are especially interested in learning about any operational or prototype
online catalog or retrieval system that employs "post-Boolean," best-match
retrieval techniques like weighted-term searching, ranked document output,
and relevance feedback from the searcher. We are also interested in search
interfaces that accept natural language expressions of the searcher's
information need, problem, or interest.

Many thanks,
Charles Hildreth
(hildreth@eagle.sangamon.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:45:52 CDT
From:         "Kathleen Sales Library" <sales@zach.fit.edu>
Subject:      Carl Systems' UnCover usage

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

This is directed at libraries who have a "Gateway" access
password to the CARL System's UnCover database.  I have two
questions:

1.  Do you know the usage amount over a year of the UnCover
database?

2.  Does the library pay for the document delivery of articles
found in UnCover, and approximately how much a year?  (Or do
does the user pick up the cost if they desire document delivery?)


Thanks very much!

Kathy Sales
Florida Tech
Internet: sales@zach.fit.edu
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:53:42 CDT
From:         "R. B. Schmerl" <rbs@uhunix.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 900-Number Survey
X-cc:         Daniel Blaine <daniel@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
  Does your institution block access to 900 numbers?

        PROBABLY.

        But not necessarily consistently. It's hard to figure
        out what goes on here.
>
           Does it do so for everyone's phone, or just for some
>   lines? If only certain phones are blocked, how is
>   the decision made?
        An excellent question.  Many of us have been wondering
        about that for years.
>   Are there any other restrictions on outgoing calls?
        No doubt there are, but these, too, are mysterious.
>   What is your college or university?
>
        Another excellent question.  Sometimes it seems to be
        (as you say) a college or university.  For instance, it
        awards degrees, swallows papers, plays games, has a
        library, advertises positions in the Chronicle.  On
        the other hand, it also functions as a rest home for
        unemployed politicians and former state officials, is
        at the beck and call of current office-holders, likes
        to render lotsof services involving laundry and dry-
        cleaning, and occasionally is indistinguishable from
        a lady of the evening--ANY evening.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:48:23 CDT
From:         David P Brennan <brennan@pittunix.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: OPACs and Unreadable Searches

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have had the same problem when using Pitt's system (NOTIS)- when you
log your session all you get is trash. I solved it by using a shareware
program called PRINDIR, which redirects printer output to a disk file, so
when I do a search and want to save anything, I just do a PrintScreen and it
goes to the disk file as it would to the printer, with all the carriage returns
intact. Then I call the file into WordStar, edit out the "instructional
lines" and I'm on my way. It is a bit more cumbersome than what you propose,
but is workable. If you're interested in trying this out, I'll dig out the
manual and get you the author's address.
*^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      Voice: 412-622-4772
David Brennan, Librarian              FAX:   412-622-7169
St. Francis Medical Center            Internet: brennan@unix.cis.pitt.edu
Health Sciences Library System        USnail: 400 45th St.
       - Nursing Library                      Pittsburgh, PA 15201
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:43:49 CDT
From:         maryanne ashton <m.ashton@uws.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Teaching Internet to Academic Staff

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I have literally been thrown in the deep end.  It is my responsibility to
promote AARNET and the Internet to Academic staff of an agriculturally
based University.  It is pretty scary out there considering that Academics
are very sceptical about the whole thing.

Currently we are going out to Academics and instructing them in such issues
as e-mail, FTP and all that jazz.  The bit that worries me is that once
they know the how-to's what comes next?  I have a pile of lists and things
for them to use, but it is a bit of a worry handing over a pile of
listservers and e-journals etc.  Does anybody out there have another
method to assist academics in there search for knowledge?  I have
considered breaking up each FTP'd file into subject areas for them.  This
will be a lengthy process.  Can someone please help.  We have academics
lining up for lists.  Tattle tap is the only thing that keeps these lists
in The Library.  I have been able to refer one or two to listservers that
will benefit them, but only through coincidence.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Maryanne Ashton
Reference Librarian
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:24:26 CDT
From:         CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Introductory Internet BI - Info needed

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:03:08 CDT Elizabeth Goldsmith, Lib. Reference-TWU 817-898
>I have recently taken on the challenging task of preparing an introductory
>bibliographic instruction session about the Internet for our (academic) library
>Therefore, I would appreciate input from any academic librarians who currently
>offer such introductory instruction sessions (or who are preparing to do so).

***Such issues are discussed in great detail on the NETTRAIN list...you should
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From:         "Dr. Bruce" <KLOPFENSTEIN@BGSUOPIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Online Periodicals Lists

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am looking for archived copies of an industry newsletter, Television
Digest With Consumer Electronics that goes back at least to the 1950s.

What electronic sources are available to help me in this search?

Bruce Klopfenstein

klopfenstein@bgsuopie
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Subject:      Infotrac EF problem

From: rturner@ruacad.ac.runet.edu
Subject: Re: Infotrac EF problem

We have had the same problem constantly.  We simply turn the machines off and
 then back on.  However, it is a real pain to do so several times
a day.

Robert Turner
rturner@ruacad.ac.runet.edu
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:57:20 CDT
From:         Bruce Flanders <FLANDERS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Cordless phones

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I've not seen anything on PACS-L about this, although I suppose it
has come up before.

Do any of you use cordless phones in your library?

* advantages
* disadvantages
* quality (static/losing contact/sound)
* what phone / how do you rate it
* recommendations / advice

Bruce Flanders/Director of Technology/Kansas State Library
FLANDERS@UKANVM.Bitnet    flanders@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:52:00 CDT
From:         maryanne ashton <m.ashton@uws.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Academic training

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear peoples,

I would just like to thankyou all for replying to my note about teaching
academics how to use the internet.  You've all been wonderful.  I now have
some very handy contacts.  If you hear of anything  else, please tell.


Maryanne Ashton
Reference Librarian
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:55:54 CDT
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Subject:      Electronic Access Inquiry

From: helen-ann brown <helen-ann_brown@qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re:  Electronic Access Inquiry

At Cornell Medical Library the Orders section- option 4 off the Main Menu of
our network-Vital Signs recognizes our users and allows him/her to make
collection suggestions, ask a reference questions, request a librarian-run
literature search, request an interlibrary loan or request a photocopy from an
inhouse item. if the inhouse item is not available, then Vital Signs asks if
the patron wants an Interlibrary loan. Our system has been very well-received.

helen-ann brown  Hd, Library Relations
helen-ann_ brown@QMCUMC.mail.cornell.edu
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:43:03 CDT
From:         David Strickler <strickle%charon.usc.edu@usc.edu>
Subject:      Re: ONLINE/CD-ROM '92

Please reply to author, not PACS-L.  Thanks. Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
From: strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler)

Please pardon cross postings to PACS-L and LIBREF-L.

     Having acquired new multimedia equipment, we are exploring
new products to run on it.  We are especially interested in
packages dealing with aspects of the humanities or social
sciences.  We are aware of the product line from Voyager and
Warner New Media, and have consulted with the Optical Publishing
Association.  (The latter told us that few computer-based were
being developed for the humanities, because humanities people
were very rarely computer literate.  Glad he cleared up that
confusion.)
     If any libraries are running multimedia products in the
humanities/social sciences, involving sound, graphics, and text,
or if you know of interesting new products, we'd appreciate you
dropping us a line.

Dave Strickler                     STRICKLE@USCVM
Doheny Library Reference           (213) 740 4039
University of Southern California
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:48:48 CDT
From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      WINDO

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I am going to play devil's advocate on the subject of WINDO.

What factors are there in the WINDO legislation which lead us to
believe that the GPO will do better with WINDO in developing consistent
and usable interfaces than it has done with the CD ROM distribution service.

Please respond to PACS-L, not to me privately.

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:58:36 CDT
From:         David Ives <ELDJIVES@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Logging sessions
              21 Jul 1992 08:16:39 CDT from <GARTNER@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Sorry I can't help vis a vis the software needed; I assume you are aware
that the fact that the participants knowing they are being observed/monitored
will undoubtedly change their "normal" behavior, and that you will be
studying this changed behavior rather than their actions as they would
implement them under non-observed situations?
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From:         RIMI@FIRIEN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Redirecting printer output to a file

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Several FTP sites in Europe, Australia and the USA have prindir. Some
addresses you may wish to try:

wuarchive.wustl.edu
/mirrors/msdos/printer

nic.funet.fi
/pub/msdos/printers/printer

plaza.aarnet.edu.au
/micros/pc/garbo/printer

Risto Miilumaki
University of Turku, Finland
rimi@sara.cc.utu.fi
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:03:21 CDT
From:         Charlotte Skuster <SKUSTER@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      INDEX-L

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

This announcement is being posted to NEW-LIST, PACS-L, IR-L, and
HUMANIST


INDEX-L  A new  discussion group for indexers

Created to promote good indexing practice by providing a forum
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hypermedia. Participants may include but not be limited to
members of professional indexers organizations (ASI, NFIAS);
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:17:22 CDT
From:         MELODIE SANDERS <MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Electronic Access Inquiry

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

> Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 08:57:43 CDT
> From:         "Patt Leonard" <leonard@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
> Subject:      Re:  Electronic Access Inquiry
>
>     As a user of an university library online catalog, I would
> love to be able select an e-mail function, while standing at
> the catalog's terminals, and send messages to various departments
> of the library, such as notes about typos in the catalog,
> suggestions for material I would like the library to purchase,
> suggestions for improving the catalog interface, and reference
> questions.
>
>      I can imagine a system in which a menu of possible
> addresses appears, and, once the user selects the appropriate
> person to send mail to, the system walks the user through
> the necessary steps.  For example, in order for users to
> receive answers to their reference questions, they are going
> to have include their phone number or e-mail address in their
> messages, and the system could prompt them for that information.
>
>                                           Patt Leonard
>                                       leonard@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu

Some of what you want is already available in a few systems. Penn
State University's LIAS system and University of Tulsa's LIAS system
allows an "oops" function.  With this command, anyone on the catalog
can send a message to Processing Services regarding typos, suggestions,
incorrect information, or any comment they wish to make.  If the
sender adds their name and "address" or "telephone", at University
of Tulsa, I always attempt to send or call an answer to the message.
(For more information on "oops", see the "Help" screens).

Also at University of Texas at Austin, as well as other systems,
you can send "oops" or "comments" type messages.  Hopefully, the
next step in all systems will be access to e-mail.

For the "activated" staff at University of Tulsa and Penn State,
we have a menu item on our "select" menu, in which we access both
mail and file transfers (Kermit and FTP).  Although the public
"select" menu does not have this option now, the capability is
already in place.

	Melodie Sanders		Internet: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU
	Reference Librarian/Cataloger
	McFarlin Library
	University of Tulsa (Oklahoma)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:52:17 CDT
From:         Malcolm Sharp <sharp%mizar.usc.edu@usc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Access to the Internet

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>The coop model is one that has worked well.  How will it deal with the
>growth that is coming?  How will it provide services to small business
>and the general public?

I have been investigating this issue - ie, providing Internet services
to the general public.  What I've found is that several communities
have used the FreeNet platform to do this at no cost to the user - but
with costs to the provider.  In the case of Cleveland  it seems that
Case Western foots the bulk of the bill - though the system is being
used as a means to get grants.  The Heartland FreeNet in Peoria is run
by a non-profit organization and has a broad spectrum of local
support.  In any case since the system's use is free to the user (a
requisite for using the FreePort software - unless one pays the
publisher "American Cybercasting" an amount much greater than their
$850/5 year fee), the sponsor of the FreeNet host is left with finding
the means to fund its operation.

Other possibilites that are already established - and are commercial -
include services such as "The Well" and "NetCom" though I don't have
first-hand experience with either.

Malcolm Sharp,
U. of SoCal
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From:         Alan Crosswell <alan@CURTA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UREP BSC alternatives?

There's a VMNET driver for UREP.  Add that and Princeton's VMNET software
on your VM host and you can replace the BSC with a TCP connection.
/a
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instead try 1.814.865.9505 and ask for tammy

owens
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