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From: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Sneakers: Moral Confusion
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram) 

AC> In other words, if you (the the NSA or Ben Kingsley) have the device,
AC> it's in the wrong hands.  But if I have it, I get to adjust the world to
AC> my liking.
AC>   Is that what the scene at the end implies?

That sure is what it implies.

Liberal thinkers would have us believe that "end justifies the means" is
an exclusive technique with conservatives.

Apparently, liberals at least fantasize about unlimited power.

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From: susan@korova.uucp (Susan)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:02:02 GMT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

> Concerning _Sneakers_, here is the question *I* have...
>  
> would you change your mind a give them anything they wanted just because
> they knew something?
  
Here is the question *I* have.... Why?  What the fuck?  And why her?!


--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: xn0110@powhatan.cc.cnc.edu
Subject: Re: William Gibson's Email
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:29:37 GMT

>It's the technorave movement that is generating this optimism in me.
>People dancing (black and white kids, dancing to the same music! wow),
>no alcohol, no attitudes, bright lasers cutting the through the foggy

 no alcohol, just drugs, laughing gas, x, whatever else.
 
rglass
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 17:51:46 -0400 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Borg and Cyber-poseurs (What is Bladerunner?)
	<1992Oct5.225704.43615@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>

Acutal
(oops...Forgive my lack of an editor!) Actually, I was talking more about
the RPG.  I'm not so worried about any lack of explanations, 'cause I agree
with you when you say that they are given.  What bugs me is that they give
absolutely no credit to the authors of cp who came up with all the ideas
that Shadowrun so blatantly rips off.  Yes, the system is thought out
decently, but they lead the player to believe that all this stuff was
created by the authors of Shadowrun...They use the "lingo" developed by
Gibson et al and don't even mention that they didn't come up with it. 
Examples:
Cyberspace, deck, the Matrix, Jacking in/out, black ice, the Grid...
And those just from the cyberspace area.  Not to mention all the implants,
the Sprawl, Street Samuri, and other things...Yes, it is very convenient
to use these terms, because they were already out there and the _work_,
but they could at least give some credit to the people that came up with
them!  Not ONCE have I seen Gibson mentioned in ANY Shadowrun book.  (And
I've got a great deal of them right here...)  Now, in GURPS Cyberpunk,
for example (it's the only other system I've looked at), they mention Gibson
and the origin of cyberpunk on the first page, if I remember correctly.  They
give a list of recommended readings in the back of the book.  
The Shadowrun novels I don't mind, cause they're pretty much pulp anyway.  
That, and it would be sort of ridiculous to mention the originators of a genre
each time you write a book in that genre...But it really seems cheesy and
outright misleading to not give credit where it's due in the RPG.

Chris
From: BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: b. sterling
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:33:10 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

bruce sterling, what a loser, he may have a cyberpunk attitude but he can't
write for crap.  I first read gibson's stuff then sterling and was completly
disappointed.  and how about "Difference Engine" i think that it could have
been a good book if just gibson wrote it.  I have read and will continue to
read sterling's stuff but only for the story his style needs a lot of work.
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion?
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 21:45:12 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

> In other words, if you (the the NSA or Ben Kingsley) have the device,
> it's in the wrong hands.  But if I have it, I get to adjust the world to
> my liking.
>
>   Is that what the scene at the end implies?

Sure.  It works that way in life, too.  "they" are the bad guys, "I" am the
good guy.

If, as some people insist on insisting on, the "cyberpunk movement" (whatever
the hell THAT is...) is truly similiar to the hippie movement of the 60s, it is
in the "fuck the establishment" attitude (in my opinion... what do I know, eh?)
Me personally, I don't like the establishment enough to fuck it... but it's
certainly been working on fucking me...

(but there's nothing like the feeling one gets when walking out of a courtroom
without a jail sentance!  :-)

(isn't it wonderful classifying entire groups of people's mindsets in one
"movement"?)

(why do I use so many parenthesis?)

-- morpheus@entropy.mcds.com  // morpheus@f208.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
        All hail the revolution!

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: martink@NeoSoft.com (Martin Koistinen)
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 22:21:15 GMT
Summary: The REAL question about _Sneakers_ is...



Concerning _Sneakers_, here is the question *I* have...
 
If thNSA at the end of the movie was *SO* anxious to have the black-box
that they felt it necessary to bring a small army with weapons, then you
would think that they would have been prepared to use them. But instead,
Our guys black-mail them for goodies. If *you* were about to kill someone,
would you change your mind a give them anything they wanted just because
they knew something?
 
I just don't get it.
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson's _Agrippa_ (The Book of the Dead) -- Is it Going
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:43:24 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1a00crINNr8i@uwm.edu>, aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider) writes:
>christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith) writes:
>:   Now, while I don't doubt that Mr. Gibson is excited by the concept
>: of cyberspace and that he will continue to write his thrilling science
>: fiction novels in the future, I can hardly believe that he'd waste
>: so much of his talent on a book that a) could't be read by most people
>: (not everyone has a modem and computer, even if they are CP fans) and
>: b) it takes a good deal of time to write a novel so why would he be
>: giving out copies which he doesn't get any royalties from and that
>: erase themselves (not very good for propagation).
>:  
>:   Ugh, looks like another one for the alt.computers.urban-myth...
>
>Nope.  This is quite real.  This work went for ~$450 for just the disk with
>the novel on it and some artwork, and ~$750 for the version with the artwork
>that has disppearing/changing images.  Yes, really.  What we're all waiting
>patiently for is some kind net.soul to break the encryption and UL a copy of
>the text in ASCII to the BBS's. 
>
>
>Steve J. White
>aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
>skeptic@large@9600bps

So your waiting for someone to steal Gibsons work and to give it to you 
for free?

How very considerate you are.

 bliss

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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: graphic design newsgroup???
Keywords: need an argument settled
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:32:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.graphics
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Sep30.113409.24210@westminster.ac.uk> marcus@westminster.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey) writes:

>In article <BuwBw5.Atu@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:

>>where is the best place to post graphic design questions and articles?
>>I can't find any obvious groups in the listing (of all groups).

>Seems to me that a group like this needs setting up 'toot sweet'.

I agree. How do we get the ball rolling? Agree on a name first, I
suppose. Actually the name hits an early decision:

a) alt hierarchy: simple to create the group, many sites don't get alt
b) the rest, wider distribution, formal RFD and CFV and such.

Personally I plump for the latter.

Also are there any tangentially related groups to advertise the RFD
in?

comp.graphics? some NeXT groups? comp.fonts? comp.lang.postscript?

Suggestions, people?


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From: s1159377@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (T.  FOOEY..  Furnell.)
Subject: Need info to bring mouse into program.
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill 3842, Victoria, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:40:52 GMT

Me again,  " The Problem Child. "

I have solved my previous problem with programming for the svga monitor,
(Thanks for all the help) Now I am trying to bring mouse use into the
same program. 

I am trying to build users buttons into  screen design, but like my
previous post I have no idea how to go about it.

Where should I look for ideas, or better still has any-one got some code
that will get me started.

Thanks in advance.
FOOEY..
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Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Re: ppmtops needed
Originator: rvloon@wodan.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:12:57 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <90540@netnews.upenn.edu> stuart@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph Stuart ) writes:

|"Does anyone know of any ftp-able tool for converting ppm, pm, or xbm images 
|"into Postscript?  
|"
|"
|"thanks,
|"	scott
|"
|"stuart@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Yup. It's called 'pnmtops' and part of the PBMPLUS utilities. A different
option is to use 'xv'.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 16:09:25 -0400 
From: Kevin William Ryan <kr0u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: TIFF libraries?

    I'm looking to implement TIFF file formats for some image processing
applications I have. Are there public domain TIFF read/write libraries
(preferably in C) available? If so, where?

    I'm looking for source code, incidentally...

                                                    kwr

Internet: kr0u+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bigmike@cs.utexas.edu (Michael Najera)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Help displaying pictures using CLIM, CLX
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:12:06 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: agave.cs.utexas.edu

I was wondering if anybody with experience using CLIM, CLX, and CLOS
could help me:

ABSTRACT
--------

I am trying to display an image by using CLIM and CLX. I am reading an RLE
file and creating an image from the data in this file. I am using a 32 MIPS
DEC color workstation.


PROBLEM
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When creating a PIXARRAY I do not know what the specific fields should
contain (i.e. a number  0<x<256, or a large number 152251152 {rgb values}).


ANSWERS
-------

If you beleive that you can answer my question, then you are the one I want
to talk to. I also have other similar questions concerning using :true-color
versus :psuedo-color, ect. 

This is for an undergraduate research in artificial intelligence that
I am working on. I am versed in X but the professor wants everything done
in CLIM.

Please e-mail me at the address below if you think you can help me.

Mike
bigmike@cs.utexas.edu
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: Why does xloadimage mung the color map for each image, but xv doesn't?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Distribution: alt.graphics.pixutils
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
In-reply-to: lakin@Csli.stanford.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 04:14:11 GMT
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>>>>> "FL" == Fred Lakin <lakin@Csli.stanford.edu> writes:

FL> I can have many xv viewer windows lying around, each displaying a
FL> different gif or jpg file. All images look OK. But with multiple
FL> xloadimage viewers, each seems to need a different colormap. The
FL> result is that the xloadimage window which is the current focus looks
FL> OK, but all the visible pieces of other image windows [either xv or 
FL> xloadimage] look psychedelic ...

Because some displays are only capable of showing 256 colors at any
time. Quick lesson on colormaps: a colormap is an index array that
points to the color values that may be displayed. Many displays can
only have one active colormap, and on these displays, when you have
several colormaps (like xloadimage creates), and you change which
window is active, the active colormap changes. When that happens,
everything that does not use the active window's colormap "rainbows."

On XV and colormaps: by default, XV windows that aren't root windows
will use the root window (default) colormap. ][f you use "xv -owncmap"
you will see similar rainbowing effects that xloadimage causes.

--Rat
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Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: fowlerc@CS.ColoState.EDU (Christopher Fowler)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Graphic format algorithms
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:05:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University

I am looking for some basic algorithms for gif, mac, tif, and other 
common graphic formats.  If you have, or know where I can find these
algorithms and/or routines written in C, please send me some email.

            Thanks in advance,


            Christopher Fowler
            fowlerc@handel.cs.colostate.edu
                   (129.82.102.32)

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: ctjones@bnr.ca (Clifton Jones)
Subject: MPEG viewers
Organization: BNR
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 17:28:01 GMT

Does anyone know of any MPEG viewers, preferably for DOS/Windows/OS2?  Please
reply to my email address.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Clifton Jones
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
Email: ctjones@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: Re: pbmtog3
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:30:55 GMT
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>

rrosen@cesl.rutgers.edu (Robert Rosenbaum):
}	I wish to use pbmtog3 program to create faxes, but I am
}having difficulty.  The files created with the command "pbmtog3
}foo.pbm > foo.g3" produces a file which is not recognized by xv,
}xloadimage, display (ImageMagick), or my fax modem.

G3 is merely a type of compression, like packbits or LZW.  pbmtog3 is
not really useful by itself.  It produces a raw G3-compressed byte
stream, and is meant to be incorporated into a fax package which
handles headers, addressing, flow control, etc.

}I was under the impression that a g3 is a class of TIFF file, and that
}better TIFF viewers should be able to display g3's.

One of the types of compression you can use in a TIFF file is G3.

}	What am I doing wrong?  do I need to prepend a header of some
}kind?

Yes, the problem is knowing *what* kind.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
      "Ninety percent of baseball is half mental." -- Yogi Berra
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: mpd48941@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Duff)
Subject: Bitmap Formats
Reply-To: duff@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:19:57 GMT

I was hoping that someone on this group could help me locate some common
file formats, such as .BMP, TIFF, and GIF.  If anyone could direct me, would
you please?

Thanks in advance.

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From: WRANA@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Wrana Claus)
Subject: Dithering of Bitmaps
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:57:34 GMT
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I'm interested in algorythms for dithering gray scaled Bitmaps.
It would be nice if anybody in this group could give me some
hints about literature that covers my problem

Thanks
  Claus Wrana, University of ULM
From: f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: RE: Word Perfect pic conversion software
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:08:55 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


Image Alchemy will convert .wpg files to .tiff and .pcx and many
other formats. The only problem I had was with one pass I had
negatives of the pictures. If I converted the images another 
time the pictures were fine. 
The demo version is  available on wuarchive.wustl.edu I'm not sure
which directory but you can probably  find it with Archie. I 
believe the file is Alch16.zip or something like that.
From: agee9122@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Help on image conversion needed
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:04:29 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm new on this list, so please excuse any breaches of protocol I inadvertently
make.

        I am a student of Physics at the University of Northern Iowa, and am
involved in research that has presently stalled for lack of a computer program. 
I need something to take a grey-scale computer image (tif or gif preferred, but
I can convert my pictures into any format) and turn it into a sequence of
numbers from 0-255 representing each pixel, and save these numbers into a text
file or somesuch so that we can take a 1-pixel cross-section of a picture and
graph it and curve-fit it.  We are running a 486SX at 25MHz w/SVGA.  Any help
(program names, preferably shareware, ftp sites where such programs can be
found, or mailing the program UUencoded to me at IN%"AGEE9122@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU")
would be greatly appreciated.

                                        Joel Agee

no .sig, just an attitude
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: mpd48941@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Duff)
Subject: Re: File Format Questions: READ THE FAQ
Reply-To: duff@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:28:28 GMT

I am sorry for beginning this discussion on the file formats, but I found no
sign of hide nor hair of ANY information on the BMP format, which is the one
that I am primarily interested in at the moment.  I have received a spec., so
anyone who wishes, may respond through mail and I will be HAPPY to mail it to
you.
Smiles

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:19:39 EDT
From: <SAN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Tubro Pascal source for GIF display


I need the source code for displaying 256 color GIF files for Turbo Pascal
5.0 or 6.0.  I have most of what is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in
the msdos/gif or msdos/graphics or msdos/turbopas directories.  One of the
programs from that source would work great except it uses a unit that was
compiled using a Turbo version before 5.0 and so I can't incorperate it into
the program I'm writing.  (The source code wasn't provided for the unit).

Thanks.  - Steve Newcomb
From: stuart@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph Stuart )
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: ppmtops needed
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:22:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Does anyone know of any ftp-able tool for converting ppm, pm, or xbm images 
into Postscript?  


thanks,
	scott

stuart@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

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From: mccauley@ecn.purdue.edu (Darrell McCauley)
Subject: Re: Viewers?
Followup-To: alt.graphics.pixutils
Organization: Ag Engineering Dept, Purdue University 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:59:14 GMT

In article <1afi1rINN92h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
|> Correct me if I am wrong, but are the PBM and the PPM formats
|> merely intermediate file types with out the ability to be
|> "viewed"?

Bzzzz.. Thanks for playing ;-)

whether or not an image can be "viewed" is dependent upon your
"viewer."  Xloadimage, for example, can view these. Of course, one 
of the original purposes of these formats was to be an intermediate 
in order to streamline conversion.
-- 
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