From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Scorpions help
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:08:06 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Nov17.065847.18259@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>I really like the Scorpions but I don't have enough money to buy all their
>albums so I decided to just get live / comps recordings. I was suggessted by
>many people to get TOKYO TAPES so I will because I like the Uli Roth stuff
>very much (I guess I should get LONESOME CROW and LOVEDRIVE to get the Michael
>Schecker stuff, huh?) and so I wonder about the Matthias Jabs stuff because I
>like all of his work with them except for CRAZY WORLD which I just find 
>intolerable to listen to, so my question is should I get the WORLD WIDE LIVE
>album to finish off my Scorpions collection (which is BEST OF SCORPIONS (1st
>one) and SAVAGE AMUSEMENT)?

	Well, I'm not a big fan of live stuff in general, so ... you've
got "Best Of" which probably covers the Roth years (their best, IMHO)
reasonably well.  "Lovedrive" is probably their best overall album,
and is well worth getting.  From what I've heard, "Lonesome Crow"
is probably not worth it ...

>BTW, the guy wh did the new doom list (and if any of you could help expound on
>this) - 
>
>how about Witchfynde, Desolation Angels, and Angel Witch with Dave Tattum?
>As far as I know, discographies:
>	Witchfynde - Give 'Em Hell
>		     Spotlight...Stagefright
>		     Lords Of Sin

	One other album "Cloak And Dagger" -- it was their third.  Yeah, I 
think these guys might fit in the doom mold ... an interesting band
to say the least -- inconsistent, but they did put the odd brilliant
song (such as the title track "Stagefright" -- BTW, "Spotlight ..."
is part of the lyrics to that song, but is not part of the song/album
title ...)

>	Desolation Angels - Desolation Angels

	Not doom to me -- a pretty good NWHOBM band, though ...

>	Angel Witch - (only included Dave Tattum-sung titles)
>		      Screamin' N' Bleedin'
>		      Frontal Assault
>		      
>I guess since Angel Witch was reported to have influenced Candlemass greatly
>(listening to Candlemass's live album I hear traces of Angel Witch's "Baphomet"
>in songs like "Through The Infinitive Halls Of Death," etc. As I said above
>the first album isn't really doom, but I've been listening a lot to the
>SCREAMIN' album and songs like "Afraid Of The Dark," "Reawakening," "Screamin'
>N' Bleedin'," "Waltz The Night," and "Evil Games" just sound a lot like doom.
>"Straight From Hell" and "Frontal Assault," "She Don't Lie," likewise (from 
>FRONTAL ASSAULT). What do you think?

	I don't think any of this qualifies as doom, but that's just my
opinion.  The odd slower-paced song on "SNB" or "FA" don't (to me)
qualify inclusion on the doom list ... you are correct about the 
Candlemass influence -- I'm pretty sure I remember reading an early
Candlemass interview where Leif professes Trouble and Angel Witch
to be big influences ...

>SImilarly is Witchfynde. I guess they're like Witchfinder General in some ways,
>and I believe they started a lot of the Satanic kind of thing in heavy metal,
>or at least were a big jumpstarter for more serious occult lyrics (not like
>Venom who made it a joke - not that I don't like Venom - they're among my 
>favorite bands - but how Cronos could sing half their songs with a straight 
>face, if he did, is beyond comprehension. If he didn't, see?). 

	I don't think Venom took their lyrics (or anything) seriously.
There are relatively few bands that took any serious occult stance
-- Witchfynde was one of them.  Though, other than the name, I don't
see all that much similarities with Witchfinder General (another great
band) -- well, I guess they both have some Sabbath influences, though
they are much more obvious in WG ...

					Brian
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Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu