HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu (matthew greer)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Reply-To: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:07:48 GMT

In article 16200001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com, kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
>
>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
>Yes                  [x ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>2.) Are you pro choice?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   x[ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
>Yes                  [x ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
>rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
>Yes                  [x ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>
>5.) What sex are you?
>Male               [x ]
>Female             [ ]
>
>6.) How old are you?
>Under 18           [ ]
>19 to 65           [x ]
>Over 65            [ ]
>
>7.) What religion are you?
>Protestant         [ x]
>Catholic           [ ]
>Jewish             [ ]
>Other              [ ]
>
>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
>Democratic         [ ]
>Republican         [ ]
>Other              [x ]
>
>9.) How many years of education have you completed?
>Grade School       [ ]
>High School        [x ]
>College            [ ]
>More               [x ]

Please reply if I did this right.  If I don't get an answer then I'll assume I did
this wrong.  I'm new at this.
From: tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Stealing software (was: Re: Big Brother BBS policies)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood)
Organization: Alchemy Software Designs

In article <118.11148@uonline.com> rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:
>dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
>: 
>: There are good reasons why not everybody agrees that unauthorized copying
>: is always wrong.  For example, I see nothing wrong with making three
>: backup copies where a signed software license allows only two.  It might
>: be illegal, but why would it be wrong?  (Don't assume that "illegal" and
>: "wrong" are synonyms.  And don't assume that breaking a written contract
>: is always wrong.  Illegal, perhaps, but not necessarily wrong.)  If it
>: isn't wrong, then we have an example of something that is illegal but not
>: wrong.  If we have one example, we can find more.  If we can find more,
>: we can find lots more.
>: -- 
>: Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@cirrus.com>
>: also: dhesi@rahul.net

Your understanding of the relationship between wrong and illegal is flawed.  
There are things which may be wrong which may not be illegal, but anything 
illegal is wrong.  Illegal is a subset of wrong, not an intersection.  Like:

+------------------------------------+
|                                    |
|              WRONG                 |
|                                    |
|     +------------------------+     |
|     |        ILLEGAL         |     |
|     +------------------------+     |
|                                    |
+------------------------------------+


>And I agree with you regarding making "backup" copies.  But if you are making
>backup copies, then there is an assumption that you purchased the software
>to begin with.  The original thread was in the context of someone not
>purchasing the software and still deriving use from it.

>There are many viewpoints on software licensing, but then again, licensing
>is making the assumption that it has been purchased.  The original thread
>was people not purchasing the software and rationalizing it why it was OK
>to do that.

>Randy Just
>uonline!rjus@infoserv.com
Timothy M. Hood
--
                                 tim@alchemy.UUCP
                        ...!ucrmath!alchemy!alchemy!tim
"Badges?  We aint got no badges.  We DON'T NEED NO STEENKING BADGES!"
From: tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Stealing software (was: Re: Big Brother BBS policies)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood)
Organization: Alchemy Software Designs

In article <1992Sep17.134527.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:
>In article <BupJK1.1zn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, 
>bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad) writes:
>> Well, as I see it, if I walked out of a store with a modem, the store would
>> lose money, as they bought the item.  When I get a game from someone, or
>> maybe even a word processor, no one bought that item, no manuals where made,
>> there is absolutely no physical product at all that I'm taking.  Indeed,
>> someone spent time to program it, but they would not lose money by me taking
>> the odd game here and there, since I wouldn't be able to afford it anyways.
>> 

>I write software. I spend hours every day slaving over a machine writting 
>software. When you use my software and fail to pay me for it, you are stealing 
>it. It is really simple. I want to get paid for the work I produce. The fact 
>that you wouldn't have bought it anyway, so I don't lose anything is a 
>falsehood.
I think the problem with most thick-headed people is that they don't understand
the concepts of the information age.  In this age, we pay for things which are 
not always material.  Value is placed on SERVICES, not goods.  Software is not 
sold based on the cost of producing the manuals and the disks.  It is sold 
based on the service it provides, the cost to develop and distribute the 
software, and the value it brings to the user.

Theft is defined (loosly) as posessing something which does not belong to you, 
without permission from the owner.  Just because you used your own blank disks 
to make a copy of a program doesn't mean it's yours.  If you were to xerox a 
book, that would be theft, too.  It is only because it is easy and economical 
do people copy software, yet not books.

There is no way to make justifications for theft.  Or would you mind if someone
came to your home (or dorm) and removed your computer, because they wanted one,
but were too poor to be able to buy one?

THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A COLLEGE STUDENT!

Timothy M. Hood
--
                                 tim@alchemy.UUCP
                        ...!ucrmath!alchemy!alchemy!tim
"Badges?  We aint got no badges.  We DON'T NEED NO STEENKING BADGES!"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: b-grant@nwu.edu (Barry Grant)
Subject: Info on FreePort from Case Western
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:58:33 GMT

I would be grateful for any information on FreePort bbs software created at
Case Western Reserve University. I especially would like to know how to get
a copy of it. Thanks in advance.


Barry Grant
Northwestern Univesity
Evanston, Illinois
b-grant@nwu.edu
From: terrwm@v7.vitro.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: claim of modem eavesdropping by gov't
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:54:25 GMT
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <1992Oct02.033659.133113@zeus.calpoly.edu>, cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish) writes:
> foxworth@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Bob Foxworth) recently informed us:
>>  if you ever get a copy of your credit history and find a
>>  listing that has HN06443 <--= this is a negative risk rating. or a code
>>  87AT4 <---= an even more negative risk rating.... these will usually
>>  have no description on them... and if you inquire about them they will
>>  tell you that it just comes from the system that way.
> 
> This is so much crap, it's almost funny.
> 
> Pray tell WHERE on the credit report do I look for these numbers? I have
> a full TRW here in front of me, and the only strings of alphanumerics
> are the account numbers on the individual credit accounts.
> 


Your credit report is almost entirely composed of these 'strings of alpha-
numerics'.  You pay TRW to interpret these codes and format a nice, pretty
human readable report (electronic or otherwise).  

Don't be so quick to criticize if you don't know all the facts!


         ______________________________________________________________________
        /  Michael C. Weaver	                 Internet: weaver@vitro.com
__     /   Vitro Corporation	                 Voice:    (301) 231-3234
  \   /    14000 Georgia Ave.                __________________________________
   \ /     Silver Spring, MD 20906-2972      | "Hey kids!                     |
    *                                        |   Rock-n-Roll !!!"             |
                                             | REM - Automatic for the People |
From: JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: multinet BBS in UK
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:58:23 GMT
Organization: UK Infrared Telescope, Joint Astronomy Centre, Hawaii
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

aloha-

	I'm looking for a modem-accessable (free or subscription) BBS
service in the UK, accessable by MODEM, that allows access to
INTERNET/MULTINET/BITNET so that my father-in-law can send/receive EMAIL
to our site in HAWAII.... (ie cheaper than ATT). 

	He lives in Perthshire Scotland, so I guess anything in Perth,
Edinburgh or Glasgow would be good, but London will help- 

	Any helpful hints? Free Mauna Kea Hawaii tours to the best
response(s).... 

many mahalos (thanks)-

					Joel Aycock (JOEL@JACH.HAWAII.EDU)
From: bx791@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Michael Gindlesperger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: INTERNET MAIL!
Date: 12 Oct 1992 16:45:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Is there a fairly inexpensive program that allows me to
run a BBS with Internet mail on a Apple II

I know about ProLine already...anything else?
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: 216 Internet ?
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:01:44 GMT

damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
>Does anyone know of any BBSs in the 216 Cleveland area that offers 
>Internet mail and Usenet?  I don't need full Internet access.
>Thanks ahead of time.

wariat.org, hernix.org (I think), ncoast.org all have Usenet and mail. 
incidentally, wariat.org will be going online with Internet access within a 
couple weeks.. more soon..

(e-mail to zbig@wariat.org, mike@hernix.org or rhg@ncoast.org for info)


-- 
Steve Sobol     (IRC: RockNRoll)           sjsobol@tiny.com, sjsobol@wariat.org
President, The Tiny Software Co.                    ag510@cleveland.freenet.edu
Coordinator, Unix SIG, Greater Cleve. PC User Group        23707 Glenhill Drive
Founder, Midwest Regional COHERENT User Group        Cleveland, OH 44122    USA
From: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu (William S. Pittard {EUCC})
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: BBS list for Ansbach, Germany
Keywords: BBS , list, Ansbach
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:18:41 GMT
Organization: Emory University

Hello,

Yet another request for BBS numbers.... 

Does anyone have any BBS numbers for Ansbach, Germany ?


			Thanks, 


Steve Pittard {EUCC}
Emory University, Atlanta, GA 
Internet: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu   BITNET (non-domain): uswsp@emory
UUCP: { sun!sunatl, gatech }!emory!uswsp	
-- 
Steve Pittard {EUCC}
Emory University, Atlanta, GA 
Internet: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu   BITNET (non-domain): uswsp@emory
UUCP: { sun!sunatl, gatech }!emory!uswsp	
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: claim of modem eavesdropping by gov't
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:06:34 GMT

>Well now, this may not be too much of a reach from previously known
>operations.  Since the mid '70s the voice side of long distance phones
>have been monitored, if they went by microwave.  Refinement by the early
>80's had word scanning for key words or phrases.  So now someone says
>modem traffic is monitored, ten ears later and after the BBS underground
>in mid-80s was a significant contributor to public opinion against the
>administration's Central American operations; it would then seem a more 
>than logical outgrowth for an agency like NSA to be able to do this.
>Indeed, they would be very negligent if they did not have the ability
>by now.

The problem with this reasoning is that it does not take into 
account matters of scale.  Yes, these capabilities were demonstrated
in labs, and were implemented in instances where there might be a
dozen or so phone lines, maybe even a certain T1 (24 phone lines)
to be recorded for later analysis.  The point is, the analysis is 
not realtime, and the amount of time taken to deal with a given 
amount of telephone time is huge.  An hour of ONE conversation 
does not take an hour to process; when all is said and done, it 
may have take 20 to 50 hours of actual wall clock time to deal
with.  If you know anything about how to scale projects, you 
realize that just because you can do it for one phone line doesn't
mean you can rush right out and do it for EVERY phone line, or even
a large percentage of them.

>>Don't be so quick to criticize if you don't know all the facts.
>
>Generally a good view, though one needs not to buy into anything.

Yes.  Including the idea that all of the net traffic gets 
analysed.   All of the usenet traffic?  Sure, that is possible.
all of the individual connections over the net?  Not possible
due not only to volume, but due to the fact that the NSA 
(or whomever) has no access to that data; there is no place for 
them to pick it up, because it does not propagate into any 
place where they exercise any control.  

They deal with people and technology, not magic.


Doug
From: bx791@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Michael Gindlesperger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: oracomm
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:17:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Well...SysOps may like to program there own features on
the BBS.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: root@ibg1.ibg.sub.org (Superuser)
Subject: FIDO-Unix Software available ?
Organization: ibg
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:46:36 GMT

Hi Freaks,

I would like to use Fidonet with Unix. Do you know about any software
that handles Fidonet completely ?
There is one package called Fidogate, but as far as i know, this still
requires MS-DOS for sending and receiving packets.
Thanks for reply
Bye
  Christoph

Xref: sparky alt.bbs:6526 comp.bbs.misc:1134
From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Full Screen Editor for Maximus/2 v2.00
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:55:15 GMT
Organization: IDK/Frontec, Sweden

Hi folks.

I've just installed Maximus/2 and on my system and got it up running for a
week now. I like the system in general, but there's one *BIG* annoyance:

The FSED...

To be nice, I'll say I don't like it. Neither do my users. 
Before I switched to OS/2 and Maximus/2, I used QuickEd and I still think it's
one of the best FSEDs around. Quick and easy.

Now I'm wondering what full screen editors there are out there which will work
properly together with Maximus/2 on my multiline OS/2 system.

Any ideas?

		thanks
		-- Bjorn



      ///  Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden         bjst@sth.frontec.se
     ///  main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
\\\ ///  "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Using ProComm for a BBS?
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:48:24 GMT

I am to start a new BBS, something standalone for now, with limited
capacities.

System: 8088 PC with a 30M HD, 2400 baud, one dedicated phone line.

I will later write a software to handle calls and to do some more
filtering (passwords, limiting call duration, giving some services
with a data server [you ask a series of questions and the system
prepares and delivers data], network access, xmodem/?modem protocols, etc.).

I would like to know if ProComm Plus (I think I have the version 2,
about 5 years old) would be enough for such a basic BBS.  

BBS functions:
Answering a call, password for downloaders, call duration limited to 30 min.
Number of downloads (to callers) limited to 5 per call (i.e. I split
files into enough chunks to have short download and not having someone
importing all data)
Access with no restriction to all (or most) directories for downloading
Access to one directory only for uploading (from callers)
Calling an external program that will handle some question oriented process
(i.e. to register, to produce some data on request, to handle a database for
all users).

Is ProComm enough to do all that job?  Would it be enough so that except
for custom file servers (it would produce a file for the user, but Procomm
would handle xmodem and other protocols), I would only use the script language?

Is it easy to support FidoNet?  I know some of my data are already
travelling throughout the north America, maybe Europe (but they are not
relevant to Europe anyway).  It would be better if I introduce myself the
data in the network, no?  (net is GDDS or something like that).

One final question : how do you put your entry in the phone book?  I don't
want to use my name, but some meaningfull name.  My BBS will be only for
genealogical purposes, so I would write the phone book entry as 
Genealogy BBS, even if I would not use that name on line.  Does most
BBS avoid phone book entry?  I have a few days to decide.

One special feature I will add later : double uni-lingual service.  By
typing (for example) ctrl-E (ctrl-F), all messages would then be in
English (French).  I presume I can't do that with procomm, except if I
download a message file at the beginning.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Une entente au contenu insatisfaisant!     Mon opinion ? Non !
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: New Pittsburgh BBS
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:11:28 GMT

bx791@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Michael Gindlesperger) writes:

>ONLY 105MEGS!!! that's pretty much for a private BBS.

I don't know - - we have a privately owned bbs here and
we have 2500 megs..

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:6493 alt.bbs.internet:3991 alt.bbs.lists:1317
From: mattm@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (Matt Mosley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Re: Federal Information BBS's ON and OFF of internet.  ???
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:14:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Oct13.183133.15073@ultb.isc.rit.edu> amm1428@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find out the number for "Pirates Board" or "Pirates" that specialize in cracking games or programs to be distributed via lines?
>
>                                                       -The TERMINATOR

*sigh* ... I only have one comment for you ...

                GET A CLUE.

><  Think for yourself, and feel the walls ... become sand beneath your feet.
><  Matt Mosley / Internet: mattm@ai.mit.edu                - Queensryche
From: kevinm@terapin.com (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Upload Counter for Amiga C-NET.  HELP!
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:17:20 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <kevinm.1wsi@terapin.com>, kevinm@terapin.com (Kevin Miller) writes:
>I'm desperately looking for an ARexx script that will keep track of uploads on
>an Amiga BBS using the program C-Net.  This is needed for an upload contest
>that starts very soon, if you know of one, PLEASE let me know ASAP.  I have
>seen such a script before, but can't find it now.

Ooops!  I can be contected at:  Preferred: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
                         a bit unreliable: kevinm@teripin.com

Thanks!
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: FIDONET NODE HELP!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:22:46 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA

In article <aZmNsB1w165w@iowegia.uucp>
 chris@iowegia.uucp (Chris Lyons) writes:

>jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo) writes:

>> In article <2VFcsB1w165w@iowegia.uucp>
>>  chris@iowegia.uucp (Chris Lyons) writes:
>>
>> >jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo) writes
>>
>> >> If you left out the phone numbers involved, even the best-intentioned NC
>> >> with all the free time in the world couldn't help you.
>>
>> >If that is the case, the NC could AT LEAST tell him he  forgot something.
>>
>> Please tell me *how* the NC could tell the person *anything* if said person
>> left no phone number to be called?  I see it fairly often.
>>
>> "Hello, my name is Mike Smith, please give me a node number."
>>
>>
>> John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
>> Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org

>Anyone ever heard of e-mail?

I don't know, have they?  Is that relevant to this discussion?  Remember, 
when applying for an e-mail address (Fidonet node number in this case), you 
don't know what address you will be given, so you have to rely on another 
mode of identification (such as phone number, data or voice, etc.)

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: tlp@panix.com (Tracy Pendergast)
Subject: BBS software for the VAX (VMS)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:01:39 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: vax, vms 


 I'm looking for ideas, comments, suggestions
 and of course, war stories about running a 
 BBS off of a VAX system...

 What are you using and how is it working out?
 (And if appropriate, where can I get it?)

 Thanks very much for any and all info!

--tl
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: waitd@columbia.dsu.edu (Darrin K. Wait)
Subject: FIDO net Information requested.
Keywords: FIDO FIDONET HELP 
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:41:09 GMT

Netters:

    First I would like to say how sorry I am for my first empty post.
    
    Now the main message.

    I am running a Wild Cat BBS (On a DOS based system) and I would like 
more Information on FIDO net.  I know WildCat (With additional software) is 
able to cary FIDO mail.  I was wondering were I can get infromation on how 
to get a FIDO node, how/where to get the messages from (FTP would be nice),  
how much Hard Drive space would be required for an average cofference, and 
anything else that you think I should know.

    Also I would like to know if it is possible to carry USENET mail (What 
you are now reading.)  on a WildCat BBS, or any DOS based BBS, even read 
only would be OK.  WildCat directly supports several QWK formats and can be 
configured to carry FIDO mail packets. (See above).

    Please reply to WAITD@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU if you have the answers to any 
of my questions.

    Thanks!!
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| BBS # 605-256-5493              |          its a way of life       |
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop