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From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:15:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov8.072213.11241@u.washington.edu> mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "Apple Lady" Lockner) writes:
>
>The scene where Belle and the Beast are eating breakfast- oatmeal, I
>think, and the Beast is still eating like an animal until Chip and
>Mrs. Potts nudge the silverware towards him is very inconsistent.
>In the first shot, Beast's face is covered with oatmeal and messy;
>it cuts to Chip and Potts, and back to Beast, and his face is clean.

This was so very obvious to me that I never really thought about it.
He could have wiped himself off (note how easily mud slides off of
Belle's book) while the view switched to Belle or the china, but this
wouldn't explain how he got messy again.  Messes and nasty stains
that even Wisk would cower at seem to disappear like magic. (does
this sound like a commercial?)  Belle wiped her muddy book with her
apron without leaving a mark on it; not for long, at least.  Disney's
rushed production schedule--one high quality feature a year--has to
take a toll.


- Robert Cook
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From: rjf@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.j.fredette)
Subject: Re: Corporate Lounges at WDW
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:23:40 GMT
Summary: SPACESHIP EARTH

In article <dbarber.720945395@crash.cts.com>, dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
> There are at least 3 corporate lounges at EPCOT (as in: Every
> Person Comes Out Tired) Future World.  They are easy to see if you
> know what to look for.
> 
> Question:  Has anyone here been in any of them, and if so, what are
> they like inside?


   AT&T's hospitality room is located on a level above EARTH STATION. There is  
a rather inconspicuous doorway on the west side of EARTH STATION which leads
to a elevator sent only after your company pass IDs you as an AT&T employee. 
   Exiting the elevator, a receptionist asks that you sign a guest book and
suggests helping yourself to coffee or soft drinks in a very comfortable lounge 
setting. A large panoramic photo of EPCOT's skyline help decorate the area.
After refreshments and/or use of stylish rest rooms, you are escorted to 
immediate boarding of SPACESHIP EARTH. You board where other guests are  
unloading and out of sight of people waiting in line.  

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Subject: Re: Be Our Guest Parody (Take Zis!!)
From: <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:32:49 EST
Organization: Penn State University

     Let me say that I heartily support J.Daley's right to put the raunchy
parody of Be Our Guest on E-Mail.  One of the best things about E-Mail is
its adherence to the right of free speech.  So insensitive sex perverts like
J. Daley have the right to post lyrics like this no matter how stupid and
tasteless they are.  I mean let's face it.  All J. Daley has done is prove to
us that he has no class, and he cant write lyrics worth shit. The point is,
he had something to say and he said it.  Who cares if 2 Live Crew would rip
it up after the first reading, or that any music or rap company he sent it to
would probably send it back attached to a letter bomb.  As Voltaire said, "I
disagree with everything you say (you sorry excuse for an amoeba) but I will
defend to the death your right to say it."
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From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: test, please ignore!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: umn
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:24:12 GMT

---
Amberle Ferrian		 |  Never *count* on miracles--RELY on them!
<amberle@epx.cis.umn.edu>|		Amberle's Corollary to Murphy's Law
From: sroka@evax.gdc.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: monorail FAQ (AVAC)
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:58:04 GMT
Organization: General DataComm, Middlebury CT

In article <1dl2u4INNrsq@corax.udac.uu.se>, wass@sics.se (Anders Wass) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.081102.1@evax.gdc.com>, sroka@evax.gdc.com writes:
>> Anders Wass writes:
>> > In article <1992Nov3.161106.21483@csc.ti.com>, holliman@sounder.csc.ti.com (Ed Holliman) writes:
>> > 
>> > Trivia: What other important system at WDW comes from Sweden?
>> > 
>> Just a shot-in-the-dark, but how about the AVAC system?
> 
> Correct.
> 

I never liked the name of this system. I was one of the founding members of the 
Ansonia Voluntter Ambulance Corps. of Ansonia Connecticut over 20 years ago.
Our organization (AVAC) is now and forever more associated with the name of a
trash collecting system.

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  /________  //       / //      / _______  //  / //| ||/ //        /O   O\
          / //       / //      / //     / //  / // | |/ //        |   ^   |
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From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Subject: Re: Howard Ashman
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:34:04 GMT


In a previous article, ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis) (THAT'S ME) says:

>
>Forgive my ignorance, but who is he?  There is a nice dedication
>at the end of the B&tB video to him.  I assume he worked on Beast and
>Little Mermaid.
>
>-Carl
>
Thanks to all who answered my question.  It's a shame to lose such
a talent!

-Carl
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From: greg@acme.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Trivia, Trivia, and more Trivia
Organization: Pomona College
Distribution: world,local
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:54:17 PST

In article <4NOV199220022652@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN) writes:
> 
> 1) What is the ENTIRE introduction to Fantasmic. Don't bother looking for
> your CD's; it ain't there.

Damn!  I can talk along with it in the park, and I can remember parts
now, but not the whole thing.

"Is Mickey's imagination strong enough, and bright enough..."  :-)

> 2) What is the cheapest (as in price, not quality) item you can buy at
> Disneyland?

A pressed penny?

> 6) Name the names of the two shops and two restaurants in Bear Country
>    (Not Critter Country).

The restaurants were Mile-Long Bar and the Hungry Bear.  One of the
shops was the Indian Trading Post.  I don't remember the old name of
the one next to the Bar.

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From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Howard Ashman
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:02:21 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis) writes:


>Forgive my ignorance, but who is he?  There is a nice dedication
>at the end of the B&tB video to him.  I assume he worked on Beast and
>Little Mermaid.

Howard Ashman was the lyricist for both of these films.  He also did
a few other things in them, like produce TLM (you can look up the
rest in the credits).  He died in 1991 of AIDS.  Some of the songs in
"Aladdin" also have lyrics by Ashman; the rest of them were done by
Tim Rice, best-known for his work with Andrew Lloyd-Webber.  Alan Menken,
who wrote the music for all three films, is still working for Disney.

Tim Pickett
quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Clinton/Hall of Presidents
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 02:21:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/157 - Compu-Link II, Orlando FL

 m> So, do you suppose the imagineers are being activated to create
 m> a Bill Clinton audio-animitronic for the Hall of Presidents in the
 m> Magic Kingdom?

 m> When was Bush added?
 
   It only takes a couple of weeks to do the job.  The only thing that really distinguishes one figure from another is the face. They start with a "generic" figure, add padding, etc, and a face.  (sorta like real life)
 
  The new figure will be in place "after the inaugeration". As always.
 

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From: allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW Packages
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:46:19 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov9.181826.17575@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry) writes:
> 
> Here's  the REAL problem: where to find the best package deal?
> ...
> Has *ANYBODY* out there gone through this before and can make any recommendations? 

i went through this last year when my girlfriend and i went to wdw
for the world's 20th anniversary.

i looked at the magic kingdom club vacations, delta vacations, and 
"do-it-yourself".  i didn't look at stock holder options (i wasn't one then) 
or any other package deals from other companies.  i ended up making all 
of the reservations myself and i think we came out ahead.  if we'd been
stockholders we probably would have saved even more. 

many of the packages came with things we didn't want/need, but if the 
packages offer what you want, perhaps they would be a better deal.
you need to do the comparisons yourself.  

by the way, i think mid-august is when "off-season" starts, so if you 
can wait until then you'll save a lot of money.

-- 
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: B&TB WIP Laserdisc
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


	I just called Ken Crane's and they said that the
laserdisc will include, as extras, an alternate version of Be Our
Guest, a pencil sketch of the entire transformation, "and more".
	-- Ethan


"President Bush - a man who has said 'Change' more times than
Madonna has said 'Yes'.

	-- Jeff Greenfield, ABC News
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From: Roxanne.Coffey@launchpad.unc.edu (Roxanne Coffey)
Subject: Re: Corporate Lounges at WDW
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:39:51 GMT

In article <dbarber.720945395@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>There are at least 3 corporate lounges at EPCOT (as in: Every
>Person Comes Out Tired) Future World.  They are easy to see if you
>know what to look for.
>
>Question:  Has anyone here been in any of them, and if so, what are
>they like inside?
>
>
When I worked for AT&T, my husband and I went to Disney for our
honeymoon.  We stopped about mid-day, when the lines were longest at the
AT&T sponsored ride (the big geodesic dome who's name eludes me at this
time)  anyway, I showed my badge at the elevator in the right half of the 
communicore and the doors opened and up we went.  It was very nicely air
conditioned (the day was in the 90's)  they had free soda and a bathroom,
the carpet was grey (I think) and the modular sofas were burgundy.  That
was in June of 1991 so it may have changed. (or my memory might be a bit
faulty).  The nice thing was that we then were let on the ride without the
two hour wait.  They took us up a back hall and then we waited right at a 
bend in the line for the few people immediately in front of us to go.   
It was probably one of the best perks from working for AT&T!
Roxanne Brandon Coffey
(Coffey@wfunet.wfu.edu or Coffey@attmail.com or see above for my UNC address)


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From: e49115611@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Trivia, Trivia, and more Trivia
Keywords: trivia
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <k9h1fm-@rpi.edu>, sanderso@pleiades.cs.rpi.edu (Don Sanderson) writes...
>In article <4NOV199220022652@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN) writes:
>>
>>  As promised here are a few trivia questions that will probably even stump
>>Denise:
>>
>>2) What is the cheapest (as in price, not quality) item you can buy at
>>Disneyland?
>>
>Going from Magic Kingdom experience, I would guess the penny fortune
>that you can 'buy' in the arcade.

	I have never been to Disney World, but at Disneyland the "penny
fortunes"  cost you 25 cents. Nice try though.

					()_() 		Jeff Ehrman
					 (_)	Official Disney fanatic,
					  |     cast member, and friend
					  |     of Sam the Bartender.
From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:25:49 GMT


In a previous article, rsteele@aludra.usc.edu (Richard Steele) says:


>You know Don, in the United States we have such a thing as the right to free 
>speech reguardless of content.  There have been times and places where people 
>censored what could and couldn't be said in the name of ritiousness,
>Nazi Germany and the U.S.S.R. under Stalin for instence.
>
>Just thought you might be a little out of touch with the times is all.
>

This is true, Richard.  I believe that we are indeed fortunate to have
such rights and freedoms in this country.  There is a point though,
where the expressions of the individuals rights begin to infringe
upon the rights of others.  At that point, the individual's rights
must give way to the rights of the majority.  Granted, this is an 
area of much discussion, especially in our courts!  

God bless and guide free speech!

-Carl
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From: ssthapit@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Be Our Guest parody
Organization: Clark University
Date: 9 NOV 92 23:27:07 GMT

[prod]
[prod! prod!]
[kick!]
Is it dead yet?!

8-)
    Chints.
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Trivia, Trivia, and more Trivia
Keywords: trivia
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:47:57 GMT
Distribution: world,local

In <1992Nov7.061801.20425@netcom.com> mcdonald@netcom.com (Jim Mc Donald) writes:

>In article <4NOV199220022652@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN) writes:

>>4) What was The Black Cauldron adapted from?
>>
>Lloyd Anderson's  Chronicles of Prydain 

Lloyd ALEXANDER.


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From: yhsu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yuta Hsu)
Subject: Re: Aladdin song question (was Re: Question for Denise)
Summary: Yes, Howard was responsible for Friend Like Me!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:34:19 GMT

     I just bought the Aladdin Soundtrack... and a pleasant surprise is that 
the little booklet has the lyrics and credits for each vocal number! Howard
Ashman was responsible for Arabian Nights, Friend Like Me, and Prince Ali. 
     Tim Rice (whom I've heard is a multiple Tony Award winner) wrote One Jump
Ahead, and the love theme A Whole New World.
     The Aladdin soundtrack isn't as memorable overall as TLM or BatB, IMHO,
though I really do like Ashman's songs, especially Friend Like Me... Robin
Williams is just an incredible talent!

     Just my $.02 :)
     Smiles,
          Yuta

**no sig... no time!**  Hsu.14@osu.edu
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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Aladdin Sneak Preview--this weekend
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:18:36 GMT

Kevin Kiuchi (kiuchi@sumax.seattleu.edu) wrote:
> One thing to keep in mind is that this is the last full length feature movie
> Disney's going to do by their regular drawing board artists (or something)..
> after this i hear they are going to do most of it by computer. Does anyone
> know much about this? 
> 
> Kevin 
> 

Untrue!!  You can be sure that they will continue doing their animated
features with "regular drawing board artists".  It is easier to paint on
the computer, but drawing requires the free hand method.  They have said
that it will be a long time before they animate on the computer.

However, they are picking up a few features including a feature-length
computer animation piece from PIXAR and Tim Burton's "claymation" pic
"Nightmare Before Christmas".  These are much more experimental and are
simply produced in association with Disney to be released by them.

	--Ala"ddi"n
  
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From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Insider Tips
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:34:56 GMT

Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:

Oh, spoiler alert, but it ain't much of a spoiler..


>the show a second time to double check...  Also in that show is the
>use of mist (some say it is a salt-water mist), cool breezes, black

Hmm, we got quite damp in this show, depends where you sit... I liked
the combination of effects, but DIDN'T like how they mutated the
storyline... the BatB show was much chronologically correct... I know
they have to cut things out.... but LM got quite confusing...
VERY entertaining though.... starting with Under the Sea!

>light with glowing characters -- ruined a couple of times in the show
>by a persistent photographer with a flash camera which showed cast
>members dressed in black outfits like the Mumminchants (spelling?)

There is ALWAYS one person doing this.... I actually *counted* the
flashes at ET: The Ride at Universal... got up to 25 before I felt like
screaming.... also copped one directly into my eyes... charming.

The offending photographer during the LM show caused a cast member to
shine a torch DIRECTLY at the idiot's face and say (loudly, over the
music) "NO FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY"....

It really blew the illusion, as we could clearly see the 'actor' for
Flounder.

Of course, in my universe, the flash-photography detectors would have
isolated the offender's seat and caused it to open up and send him to the
bowels and white water of the Norway ride at EPCOT.... or worse....
drop him into a Space Mountain car standing up.... cruel, no?

The best effect (IMHO) of the LM show was the laser 'waterline' floating
up the side walls as we went 'under the sea'.... the illusion was easy
to accept.

Glenn

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From: spitzak@gree.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Spitzak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: BatB Ballroom scene
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:05:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: spitzak@gree.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: gree

Having suggested that people check the frame rates on the Ballroom scene, I
got a tape and did it myself.  Some interesting things I found:

Definition: "ones" means one cel per frame of film, or 24 images a second.
This will show up on NTSC video as a 1-1-1-1-2 pattern.  "twos" means one
cel is exposed twice, or 12 images a second.  This shows up on NTSC video
as a 2-3-2-3 pattern.  [A high quality flying-spot or digital transfer such as
used for the BatB tapes will exactly duplicate every fifth frame, cheaper
transfers will blur adjacent frames (even fields are one, odd the other),
which makes counting them much more difficult]

The big sweeping shot of the ballroom is done on ones, including, or course,
the hand-drawn animation.  However, close-ups of the characters dancing are
animated on twos, although the background continues to pan by on ones, this
is done pretty much whenever you cannot see their feet on the floor, although
the rate is never changed during the shots.

The CG cart that Belle rides in the opening song is also animated on ones, and
her, the driver, and the horses pulling it are all animated on ones.  However
other characters (the woman in the foreground) are animated on twos.  Belle
switches to twos right in the middle of a piroette the instant the cart exits
the frame when she jumps off of it.  [incidentally I think this was totally
unnecessary, the cart should have worked on twos, but what do I know?]

So it appears that all CG stuff was generated 24 times per second.

Random spot checks seem to indicate that virtually all of BatB is animated
on twos.  It would take several days to single frame the entire film, of course.

The Aladdin preview shows a lot more animation on ones, in particular every
shot of the monkey was on ones.  In addition, there was "out of sync" animation
on twos, where several characters are on twos but they change on alternate
frames so every frame is different.  This is particularily evident in the
crowds of dancers.  Another proof that computer compositing is being used, this
must be avoided in traditional animation to reduce handling of the cels and
chances of operator error.  The flying carpet is on twos.

*all* of Sleeping Beauty is on ones, except for some talking head shots!

There was a lot of dirt on the film used for the Alladin clip.

Bill Spitzak
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology-Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:40 EST
From: Paul Goodwin <CC100PG@GITVM1.GATECH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
 <1992Nov5.230014.21294@news2.cis.umn.edu> <BxAyv2.7HD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

In article <BxAyv2.7HD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, summerem@expert.cc.purdue.edu
(Erick M. Summers) says:
>
>into the beast and the painting is an exact portrait of the way the prince
>looks when he is changed back from a beast and not the way he would have
>looked at age eleven.

Perhaps it's the Portrait of Dorian Beast.....

Paul
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