HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush Never Had to Fight an Unjust War
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:48:12 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct7.210658.12080@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> shackeld@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david m shackelford ) writes:
>
>Hitler's Germany didn't directly attack the U.S. either, but
>that didn't stop us from entering the war.  Remember, there
>are alliances in today's world.  Also, don't you think there 
>are other ways to threaten our security besides direct attack?

Nazi Germany declared war on us.  About a day or so after
Pearl Harbor, in fact.  We were declaring war back.

I believe Hitler solved an interesting problem for FDR: Roosevelt
wanted to fight Germany, and saw the Nazis as the primary threat.
However, Pearl Harbor forced FDR to turn towards the Pacific.
Hitler's declaration of war let him focus on the theatre he wanted to
in the first place.


--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
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From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Bush's Veto
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:17:51 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Oct13.145338.3131@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <1bd28oINN6ri@news.aero.org>, foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
>> In article <BERG.92Oct12142817@logan.cass.usu.edu> berg@logan.cass.usu.edu (Glenn Berg) writes:
>> ...
>>>
>>>Unless I'm mistaken, demand for cable has also skyrocketed.  This would also
>>>have driven rates up.
>> 
>> 
>> Why?
>
>Simple. If you made bicycle tires and sold them for $1.00 and people
>wanted 100,000's of them, wouldn't you raise your prices to increase
>your profits?
>
>
>Joey Hargis 
>> 
>> Richard Foy  Redondo Beach, CA         Standard Disclaimer
>> 
>>>----------------------------------------
>>>Glenn Berg (berg@logan.cass.usu.edu)
>>>CASS, Utah State University, Logan, Utah
>> 
>> 
>

Yes of course, except if there were effective competition. Then I would be
inclinded to lower prices to keep my market share. Of course the reason for
regulation, as in the Cable Bill is that it provides control in the absense
of competition. 

Richard Foy  Redondo Beach, CA         Standard Disclaimer



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Subject: DAN QUAYLE DRUG SCANDAL COVER-UP?
From: nenglish@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:50:01 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Hi!
I need to know:   Am I crazy??
;^)

Fri. night, 10/09/92, 7pm, on CNN news, 20 min. Lead Story:

DAN QUAYLE DRUG SCANDAL COVER-UP

Complete story w/ tapes, transcripts, and witness;
Tapes and evidence pointed straight up to the Justice Dept. and James Baker;
Tapes were gotten by CNN thru the Freedom of Information Act.

Am *I* the only person who saw this story??
I have not heard a PEEP about it since it aired!

Has anyone seen this or heard anything about besides ME??

Nicole....
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Deficits and the public debt
Organization: None
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:35:59 GMT


Many people blame the President for our huge public debt (now around
$20,000 for every American and growing at $4 per day per person).

But I mostly blame Congress since only they can authorize the spending of
money- its in the Constitution. Granted the President can veto but since
Congress buries so much pork-barrel in the spending bills, the president
often has no choice but to accept the bill.

See Article 1, sections 7, 8 of your local copy of the Constitution
for details.

As to the massive deficit and debt, lets put it in perspective:

It averages out to about $20,000 per American man, woman and child.
It grows at the rate of $9,000 per SECOND, $40million per
hour etc. This nets out to robbing every American of $4 per day.
That is like YOU losing $4 per day, every day.

You may not think this is bad yet, consider this:
1-The average household had debt equal to 60% of its annual income
2-The fed has total debt equal to 400% of its annual income

Clearly, its time for action.

Only Perot has a concrete plan (in his UNITED WE STAND book) that spells 
out steps to take to reverse this massive debt and for reasons like that,
I support him. 

Some may say his plan will damage our weak economy. Perot is not a fool 
and he says his plan will not kick in until 1/94 until the earliest. 
If the economy is still bad then, I am sure he will review the timing again.

If you are unsure or opposed to Perot, only say that AFTER you read his
book. [But it may be hard to find, its been a NY Times #1 bestseller since
it came out]. By the way, its only $4.95 - a small price to pay to be
a more informed voter.

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Usual disclaimers...

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From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen)
Subject: Re: Schoolchild on Net (was Re: ... Republican Cowardice)
	<14076.2acc6e92@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Oct4.013435.1@acad.drake.edu> <amvdpyw@Unify.Com>
	<1992Oct6.193609.1@acad.drake.edu>
Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:04:39 GMT
Keywords: I say potato, you say potatoe, da dumb, da dumb......

In article <1992Oct6.193609.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:

   As if I would let this go. Pardon me miss pristine bitch from the
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   deep recesses of liberalism's buttocks. Could you come down from
   your pedestal of arrogance, the view was not impressive anyway, and
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                             |--- question mark (or at least semicolon)

   kindly remove the long, splintered 2X4 from out of your ass. Yes, I
   do misspell words, everyone on the fucking net does, but you see
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   quibbledick, people try to look past them, as some people's VAX
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   |--- eh...

   does not have spelling checkers. And it because of morons like
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                                 |--- try that one again

   yourself that cause people like me to become infuriated when
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   typing. Listen Caroline, this is a disscussion board, not a
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   spelling contest, if you can't handle the issues, then leave, start
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   your own group (alt.fan.spelling ?) do whatever you like, but when
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   you are on the political boards, try to keep with the topic. And if
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   you are so keen on impressing everyone, what's your major?
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   Education? Women Studies? Envioronment? At the very least I must
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   thank-you for carefully following my posts, now, do you understand
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   them?

Barely, you callow, functionally iliterate little twit.

Marc

--
Marc Andreessen
Software Development Group
National Center for Supercomputing Applications
marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: No looking at your neighbors' papers....
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:50:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct7.124910.26308@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.181637.26841@unet.net.com>, stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.000021.14558@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> shackeld@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david m shackelford ) writes:
>>>
>>>     A.  Man does not have the capacity to destroy the planet.
>>
>>You CAN'T be serious. *Nobody* is this stupid!
>
>It's not stupid, it's true.  If you disagree, then simply provide a detailed
>scenario for the destruction of the planet by man with existing technology.  

And, afterwards, conduct an experiment that proves your scenario.

John D.
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From: mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac)
Subject: PDII - strike two on Bush
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:18:54 GMT

Results of PDII - strike two on Bush.  If he doesn't hit a home run in the
last debate I believe his numbers will plummet and this ball game will be
over before the World Series.  If he comes out a winner on Monday he'll
disprove the theory of seperation of church and state - miracles do happen
in politics.  I never thought that Quayle would outperform Bush in debating
the Democrats.

Second last place - the debate format.  What hole did they dig the audience
members out of?  Every question asked has been answered several times in
the past by the candidates.  Some of the questions had been asked in PDI.
One of the most irritating things about this election is how in vogue the
statement "address the issues" has become.  I don't need to hear for the
tenth time how Bush is for school choice and Clinton is for spending more
money on public schools.  I don't need to hear about Bush's lead in Desert
Storm and Clinton's rebuilding of the infrastructure.  We all know what
each candidate plans to do - let's find out what makes each man tick with
more personal questions. 

Third last place - the moderator.  I know Oprah Winfrey.  I've seen Oprah
Winfrey on TV.  That moderator was no Oprah Winfrey, though it was obvious
that she was trying to be.

Fourth last place - Bill Clinton.  Saint Willie is making his appearance
early this year.  Every answer was tax the rich and spend, spend, spend,
spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, 
spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, 
spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, 
spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, 
and spend.  All too obvious his playing to the camera.

First place - Ross Perot.  Real sincerity.  I've stated in previous posts
that I don't want my taxes raised unless spending was cut.  He's a man who
would do it.  It looks like my vote will hinge on what Perot has to say in
his last infommercials and how he does in the last debate.  Whoever is
ahead in the polls come November 3rd, Bush or Perot, I'll vote for that
man.  Anyone but Clinton.

Two questions.  
Will Perot find some way to replace his running mate before the election 
(Colin Powell would wrap it up for him)?
and
Constitutionally, could a candidate pledge his votes to one of the other
candidates on election day (Bush to Perot, or Perot to Bush)?  Stranger
things have happened.

-- 
Richard Mulac                                     mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, 21000 Brookpark Road, MS 5-9, Cleveland, OH  44135
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        "There's a simple explanation for all           | These pontifications
              of this." - Bill Clinton                  |      are my own!    
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From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
Subject: Re: not-George
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.125553.7318@iscsvax.uni.edu> fay@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>If you think that Bush has done a good job, vote for him.
>
>If you think Bush has done a bad job, vote for Clinton.

Not!

If you think Bush had done a good job, vote for him.

If you think Congress had done a good job, vote for Clinton.

If you are sick and tired of the Washington Party and want to sound a
clear voice for real change, vote Libertarian.

Whatever you do, don't vote Demopublican just because you don't like
the Republicrats.

The Bush legacy:

  the second-highest (or highest dependin upon how you count it) increase
  in taxes in American history;

  the hightest rate of federal spending since FDR;

  a 50% increase in federal regulations;

  several major middle class tax cuts killed.

The good news is that Clinton will have to work hard to do worse than
Bush in terms of economic policy.  The bad news is that he will
probably manage to do so.
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Comrade Clinton
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.011931.14765@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>In <1992Oct12.122119.14482@meaddata.com> joem@meaddata.com (Joe Mehrle) writes:

>>Well much to the chagrin of all the REPUBLICANS the FBI announced late
>>Friday that there are NO PAGES MISSING from the file it all appeared
>>to be a mistake, convenient for all the Rush L., Republican, and right
>>wing fans isn't it.  Apparently the FBI worries Bill will be the next
>>president and they want to clean up their act before he gets in.  This
>>was the WORST inference and fabrication yet coming from the President
>>himself, lets throw this ass out of office.  

>It's worse than that: Newsweek continues to report this story in the
>10/19/92 issue.  The Bush campaign professes innocence but the same
>official who sic'd the FBI on Clinton because she was so 'appropriately'
>concerned about the potential political implications, was none other than
>Asst. Sect. of State for Consular Affairs Elizabeth Tamposi. This is the
>same woman who called the embassies in Britain and Scandinavia and insisted
>that there be an immediate investigation of their files by the senior
>embassy official in order to see if they had any information on Clinton
>from when he was a student in Europe!!!

>This woman is a Bush political appointee and her protestations in Newsweek
>that her introduction of the FBI into the phoney claim Clinton's passport file  had been doctored was all innocent and not connected to the political
>campaign is now an obvious lie.  Her contacts with the embassies were
>outside of normal channels, violated procedures, and were clearly focused
>at involving the highest levels of their staffs in an effort to find some
>mud on Clinton.  She has become a political operative within the State
>Department and should be removed from office for her abuses.

Oh come on.  If you removed every Republican who broke the law from
office, the entire executive branch would be vacant.

Then again...

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Roland Hemond: SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!
Vote Clinton/Gore '92.   Four more weeks!!!   		"Bloody urine"
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The First Battle of October
Keywords: Presidential debate, Clinton, Bush, Perot, St. Louis
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:32:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson) writes:
-eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
->III. Bush is also a winner of the debate. As I have told my friends,
->Perot won "artistic impression" while Bush won "technical merit" if this
->debate could be characterized as a figure skating competition. Perot did
->not neutralize Bush. On the contrary, Bush launched a huge ICBM when he
->reminded HRP that the US and Russia had achieved a deal concerning
->nuclear weapons. [Sorry about the pun, but I had to do it.] Perot did
->win on sound bites, but I don't know if you ask all his supporters if
->they think a $.10/year for five years tax on gasoline is really a good
->idea. Besides, who are "the people who will be helped the most" by this
->tax? Who are the "working people who will get the jobs created because
->of this tax"? This country is not the size of Germany, France, Spain, or
->any other individual European country. We have to transport tons of food
->from farm to market on trucks and rail. Increase the cost for gasoline,
->you will increase the cost for food, and you have just socked the poor
->since now they can no longer afford to feed themselves.
-
-Just two notes, 1) Tractor trailors don't run on 'gasoline', they run
-on desiel and 2) even if you tax deisel (sp?) you could always tax
-it less, or give truckers tax exempt desiel (farmers already get it).

That may be the case. I hope I can find a car that'll run on diesel
soon. :)

->IV. Clinton was helped by Perot, but he didn't help himself.
-
- don't get the logic here, most people say Perot is helping Clinton,
-because he and Clinton are closer (at least in that they both are
-pushing anti-incumbent type campaigns).  I would think that this
-would come closer to running two democrats against a republican, 
-which has historically split part of the vote.  I noticed before the
-debate that if Clinton+Perot support split, without Bush moving much..
-it would be like a 33-33-33 race.

Perot's statements that he had no experience running up a $4T debt
doesn't help Bush. This is the most memorable statement I can think of
at the moment on how Perot's stance helped Clinton more than he helped
Bush. Read through the transcript of the debate. I think that had Perot
stayed in the race, we might see a 33-33-33 race coming down to the
wire.


>Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
>crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
>cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University

Awesome selection for graduate study. :)
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:06:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct7.004516.27017@eng.ufl.edu> jason@hal.eel.ufl.edu (Jason Nadrowski) writes:
>>Of course.  The deficit before Reagan was right around this year's defense
>>budget.  The deficit as we know it today WAS the fault of the Reagan/Bush era
>>borrow-and-spend policies. 
>
>WHAT?????????  Are you crazy?  Where did you get that?
>
>
 Well, I was wrong... the debt was about 3 times this years defence budget,
or around 1/4 of what the debt is now.  So Reagan and Bush are only responsible
for the national debt quadrupling.
Source:  United We Stand, Perot's book.  His source was listed as OMB.


-Howard




















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Do what keeps thou from wilting shall be the loophole in the law.
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From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: Them Democratic handlers sure are smart!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:15:37 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct7.014820.2074@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:
>  Boy, those Democrats sure know how to counter Bush's appearance on Larry
>King on Sunday.  They had Clinton and Gore dressed up in their blue jeans
>and rolled up shirt sleeves on Monday.  
>

First, it's "my god! those hats".  Now, it's can you believe those
shirt sleeves and blue jeans.  Do you base all your votes on the 
candidate's wardrobes?

John D.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Democrats & Hippocracy
Organization: Organization
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:18:43 GMT


  What is hippocracy?

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: I will vote for Clinton if ...
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
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sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
: In article <BvwtBI.EDw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
: >sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
: >
: >: I had this dream that Clinton was President, the Internationale was
: >: played at his inaguration.
: >
: >I hear tell that Bush wants 'Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles'
: >played at his inauguration should he be re-elected.
: >
: Now that's silly, why would an American President want a German anthem
: played at his inaguration.                 :)

Probably for a similar reason as an American President wanting a Communist
anthem played at his inauguration.  :)

: There will be ice floes on the River Styx if Clinton becomes President.

*shrug*  I hear that Hell is a rather chilly place these days.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



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