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Robert Garret Gruhn asked:

>Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Richard Rogers, Brian Wilson, Hoagy Carmichael, Stevie Wonder.  Is
Leonard Bernstein cheating?  If not, move him to the top.  Edward
Kennedy Ellington, Holland/Dozier/Holland, Teddy Randazzo,
Carole King.

Bob
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:40:23 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Thirteen samolian, 4 bits... about the tapes...?
              Jan 24, 93 08:26:00 pm

> this list is good
>    songs that art fine
>  but question I would
>     the thirteen fifty fine?
>
> What is it for?
>   please be clear
>  slam not the door
>     for tis financial fear...
>
> Answer me true..
>     tis a question
>        not a rue.
>                                          Ed.

We have many people helping out with this tape process. We have:

Me - Taper
Paul Heroy - dubber/distributor
woj - dubber/distributor
Carol Watson - dubber/distributor
Jeff Preston - is making up the picture/booklet thing
Mike Karolchik - is making up the case liner for the tapes
Marco Olivotto - (if needed) to dub and distribute tapes for Europe, etc.

None of us are making any profit on this.

However, there are certain costs involved in performing the above tasks.

e.g.

For me, the price of master tapes (9 of them) and any postage costs.
Postage costs are for the master tapes and all other tapes (the ones that
people send me) that have to be sent to the dubbers.

The dubbers, of course, must purchase at most 3 (high bias chrome 100 minute)
tapes per person. Prices for these tapes can be anywhere from $9.00 to $10.50
depending on where they are bought. The dubbers also have postage costs.
They will have to send 3 tapes to everyone who participated.

Jeff and Mike will also have some costs of their own, as well as postage
costs too.

I hope this helps. Once again, if this price is a problem for anyone and
you wish to withdrawal, please let me know.

Seeya,                                                gmg@access.digex.com
Gary
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:44:00 EST
From:         BEN WERTH <WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Something about nothin'

Alright so I'm sitting here thinkin', and I'm realising that back in
December I sent some stupid little one line sentences to the list and got
everyone all upset.  I would like to thank all the people who sent replies,
and who generally didn't love me to much because you entertained me to no
end.  It was a great stress reliever during finals to write in here
laughing and jiving and just being stupid so like I said before thanks.
Now to get back to discussion or whatever.  David you were the last person
I talked to, and I hope your still here because we never got to finish our
discussion.  I think I left off telling you about my hometown scene of
Syracuse, and the surrounding cities.  Since I went home not to much has
changed.  There's still shows and bands and zines and places to go and
people to see.  My friends band Drazel broke up, which is really
disappointing because they were great, I mean really great.  They recorded
two demos and were in the process of signing to Redemption Records when
Scott, the drummer moved to Tennessee.  Too bad.  Anyway my band played its
first show and it was a barrel of laughs, you know.  If anybody on this list
lives in Burlington VT or close to it, there's a show there on saterday with
Into Another (a really cool band from NYC with Richie from Underdog on
vocals and Drew from Bold on drums if anyone cares) and local hardcore
heroes The Champions.  Should be a great show so maybe I'll see you there.
Anyone wanting to talk about punk/hardcore, or anything really, may reach me
here.

Hari Bol,
Ben
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From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Dream Theater / Libby

Gary said:

>>My advice to you, Gary is.... don't marry a hockey player.  :)  Volleyball
>>players are cool, though...  :)
>
>WTF?! How'd you know this?! My wife played volleyball, no shit.

Yes... I know *everything*... and don't you forget it.  I even know that the
rabbinical lumberjack doesn't wear underwear.  :*)  And Chucky does kinky
things with Groucho nosie glasses and long underwear.  :*)

OMC:  My favorite desert island label would be Shanachie... :)

Libby,
the ALLMUSIC Gypsy and self appointed
Guardian of the Closet of Skeletons.
From: JAG164@psuvm.psu.edu (Goody)
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>What people deem them "Alternative."  Tell us WHAT that means.

   First of all, you shouldn't harsh on Chubby for using the word "Alternative"
It's just a label. Our lives are full of them. What the hell do "Rap","Reggae",
"Heavy Metal","Thrash Metal", or "New Age" mean. All I know is that they help
me recognize and catagorize types of music.  If you're having trouble with
other words, maybe you should consult Noah Webster. In the mean time try to
lose the negative tone you show in your articles buddy.

    Second, if Alternative does take over the mainstream, it'll still be
called Alternative(it will just be a little more popular though)
Consider this: Television was invented in 1926. It didn't hit it big until
the late 40's early 50's. Today it's one of the material things that rule
our lives and it's STILL called television.

                                         T.T.F.N.
                                             Goody


    "Excuse me Daddy-o, but that's my date with your..." - Bahgwan Bob
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:45:09 -0400
From:         kyle legate <9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      About that Clinton guy

"I Biafra is liberal, but I never thought he'd go so far as to support that
scum."

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I never said he'd support him. Recall Biafra's spoken word album "No More
Coccoons" where he does quite a bit of bashing upon the Reagan Administration.
I believe whaen I said he's focusing his attention on writing stuff for
Clinton, I actually meant ABOUT Clinton. No positive connotation intended.
Indeed, I think he'll bash Clinton just as hard as he's bashed any other
power authority.
        In the future, look for songs containing material concerning Bush's
bye-bye message to Iraq and about a present president not inhaling or now
waging a nice war and loving it now that he can't be drafted.

                                eGGHEAD  :-)~
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   For all the people included in this list,I am new and I read all
   your messages but until today , I have never sent any messages.

   Today I need your Help.

    I like so much the Enya music.

   Here in Mexico is possible to buy three CD , but I knew that she
   has more.


   The CD'S are
   A ble One " Shepperd Moons"
   A Red One  "water marks"
   And a white or black one "The Celtas"

   Anybody of you knows about  her music ?
   Has Enya More CD's ?

   I think the answer to the second question is yes,but I amnot
   sure.

    Could any of you help me ?

   Thanks in advanced


    Ricardo
    vtra0@itesocci.bitnet
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Date: 26 Jan 93 17:12:24 GMT
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Tim said:

>
> I don't care for ALW at all, myself.
>
> But....
>
> Is he a success with the public?
>
> lots of people think so.
>
>                         -Tim

    Here is a parallel with science: there are 'real scientists' who
make the discoveries, advance their fields, etc., and there are
'popularizers of science' who make those discoveries available to many
people outside the narrow circle of specialists by putting complex ideas
into a form that can be easily digested by dilettantes. And so do some
composers. And ALW is one of them. And while the 'popularizers'
don't contribute directly to whatever they are describing,
they are partially responsible for general public's education, which is
not that bad, if you think about it.

                  Ilia.

    OMC> Sonia and others interested in psychedelic music: for the past
couple of days I have been totally absorbed in the music of 13th Floor
Elevators, thanks to Renato. They are a great energetic band that
amazingly combines opposite emotions and adds an original guitar
signature to them. A total must.
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Take-home exam

On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:25:50 CST Little Inquisitor commanded:
>A column by Alex Ross in yesterday's New York Times quotes the composer Alfred
>Schnittke as saying that "comtemporary reality will make it necessary to exper
>ience all the music one had heard since childhood, including rock and jazz and
>all other forms, as a synthesis."If true, the Hegelian assertion is replete w/
>suggestive possibilities (new idioms and paradigms) but also laden with danger
>(homogenization, similarity, loss of identity and the commonplace).  Discuss.
>Post answers by Super-Bowl day.

Untrue; it is possible to experience the music as un-synthesized experiential
chunks.  Hegel, be damned!
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>    For all the people included in this list,I am new and I read all
>    your messages but until today , I have never sent any messages.

>    Today I need your Help.

>     I like so much the Enya music.

>    Here in Mexico is possible to buy three CD , but I knew that she
>    has more.


>    The CD'S are
>    A ble One " Shepperd Moons"
>    A Red One  "water marks"
>    And a white or black one "The Celtas"

>    Anybody of you knows about  her music ?
>    Has Enya More CD's ?

>     Could any of you help me ?

Sure, contact the Rev. Bob "sexpot, dolby loving" Crispen. He's the resident
Enya nut. Can you believe it? Enya and Debbie Gibson in the same day?! What
a happy day for you Bob!

Seeya,
Gary, peeing my pants with laughter
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:47:00 CST
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Subject:      RE: Oh Calcutta

>   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
> wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
> it's nudity more than anything else).

Anybody care to admit to ever having actually seen this performed live? I'm
sune somebody around here has since it was one of the longest running
productions in the history of broadway. Memory tells me that there was a
sequel written too, but the title escapes me. Wonder if you can write off
to the publishing company for perusial copy of the script and music. But
then again I suppose most community theatre groups wouldn't even consider
staging it anymore.

                                            Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck
                                             (hence the interest)
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:02:30 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Something about nothin'

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:44:00 EST BEN WERTH said:
>Alright so I'm sitting here thinkin', and I'm realising that back in
>December I sent some stupid little one line sentences to the list and got
>everyone all upset.  I would like to thank all the people who sent replies,

He's ba-a-a-a-a-a-ck!
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Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

Mr Watkins asks us:

>New Thread (maybe): Name what you beleive is a modern masterpiece of music
>                    entire album or just a tune........?

Rossy _Island of Ghosts_ (Real World).  Great album to take you away
  for an hour to another culture (Madagascar).  Put together with sounds
  of lemurs and the regional birds, it is a pleasant acoustic diversion.

(had to say sumpthin that no one else would pick...!)

Peter Gabriel _So_
Sting _Dream of the Blue Turtles_

These IMHO define the upper eschelons of pop.  Both are full
of diversity and creative textures and melodies.  Both tap into
the world music scene in a creative manner.

U2 _The Joshua Tree_

Okay, so I'm now stretching a bit, but this is a neat album for me,
because of the way the music was recorded and the way the "microcosm"
of the Joshua Tree was depicted through song and pictures.  There is
an accompanying book for the album, which included lyrics and various
things from the period when the album came out.  The photos were
high contrast and grainy, like the album cover, and like the music.
It made the music come out a little better in mind--atmosphere, y'know?
And it helped that I visited Joshua Tree National Monument during
that summer.  The music just fit perfectly.  I guess you had to be there...
Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno did a great job in recording this album.
If anything, it is a neat concept/ambience album.
Rattle and Hum sucked in comparison, IMHO.

If we can include 1970s stuff, I must say that Pink Floyd
had put out some of the best concept albums (_Dark Side of the Moon_--great
theme of things that drive you mad, _The Wall_--Waters' masterpiece).

As far as albums go these days, I don't think artists are into thinking
long and deep anymore (the songs, the songs!).
Not too many folks can do the "Crimson" thing or the "Lamb Lies Down"
thing anymore.  Many artists are going for the "short and quick" tunes--
catchy and just-right for short attention spanned listeners of today.
Anything longer is considered an extended mix. Ahh, the mentality of
today's music.  I'd better quit before I start going on again about
modern music.  Bah.

Mike.

    Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied                R93
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Subject:      Re: A cappella, A cappella, A cappella, A cappella, A cappella
              25 Jan 1993 06:33:37 CST from <crispen@EIGHT-BALL.BOEING.COM>

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:33:37 CST crispen said:
>Gary, could you please reconsider your no-noise-reduction edict?
...
>I think all of us have got Dolby B -- it's the default Dolby noise
>reduction, even on cheap car stereos and maybe even some boom
>boxes.  Without noise reduction, a tape sounds so bad that I
>find it unlistenable.
...
>Am I the only one who has this problem with sonic quality?  If so,
>just note this as a foible and pass it by.  If others out there
>share my problem, please speak up!

I hope this issue doesn't get too dominant, but I agree with Bob. Virtually
all prerecorded tapes these days are made with Dolby B, so I think that folks
should be able to handle that. I'd expect a much higher percentage to want the
Dolby B than to not want it.

How about a compromise: as a distributor/dubber, I can make tapes with either
Dolby B or C or no noise reduction at all for people, and those copies are
what matters the most anyway. I think, up until that stage at least, we should
try to use the best quality that we can, and if someone wants a copy but
doesn't have Dolby capability, I can roll their copy off without it, or I can
use Dolby C if they want. This allows the maximum flexibility with the highest
potential quality still available.

Paul
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Hari Bol,
Ben
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:39:49 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EIGHT-BALL.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Alternative, Peri Houpsos

> From: kyle legate <9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
> Subject:      Re: Alternative

> For real alternative music, listen to something from the real "Alternative"
> label, Alternative Tentacles.

You mean Nettwerk or Wax Trax.

I've been meaning to say how much your poetry moved me, Sonia.
_Transmutation_ is wonderful.  Which was the real reason I wrote.

Oops, one more reason -- Dick, I'll try to have the review in tomorrow.
Basically I found the tape unlistenable, and I'm trying to put that
into words.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:43:00 -0800
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   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
it's nudity more than anything else).

   If Alternative is *not* mainstream, then what is?

   And, hey newbie!  Perry Como?!!!  :-)

   Sonia Psychedelic:  Think psyche for that psyche. sound.  The sound of
multi-colored thoughts accelerating around inside your heard (that's a typo,
I meant head, but I like heard better), occasionally escaping to bounce gently
in space, then to scream away at light-speed, laughing hysterically.  The
sound of extreme detachment and extreme attachment.....A thick, distorted,
fuzzy guitar sound helps too :-)  If you don't mind getting too mystically-eyed,


it's the sound of tapping into the energy of the universe, sort of along
the line of New Age music :-)  Everybody now.....NOT!

  Whew, time for some air.

Russ
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:12:32 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Music diversity

Ilia writes:
>           Well, I've always been fascinated by the folks who say "I am
>very open-minded. I like everything". Maybe I don't understand
>something, but a big fan of Sinatra who likes Pink Floyd? Unless you
>don't take seriously either one, it's beyond me how you can combine such
>fondness. As for the album collection... I was at MHB's house ten days
>ago... don't think you can surprise me with anything... unique...

No, wait a minute....I have pretty diverse tastes - although I certainly
don't claim to like everything. I liked the Floyd you sent me very much,
though I don't think I'd recommend a double-bill concert with any of the a
cappella groups I sent you. Similarly, my love for Benamin Britten's choral
cantatas probably doesn't seem to jibe with the Dream Theater CD I just
bought....While I profess a strong dislike of Rap and "twangy country", I
consider myself a woman of varied musical tastes. And I definitely take it
all seriously.....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:57:36 -0700
From:         Eric Dennis Wincentsen <267@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Intro

I'm new here, and I've kind of been thrown into this and am unsure what to

do, but I'll make a go at it anyway. My name is Eric Wincentsen, I'm 20
years old, and I like to collect records and tapes-anything from Big Band
to Industrial. My favorite groups are R.E.M., the Ramones and the
Residents.

Hope to talk more soon...

Eric Wincentsen
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Subject:      Re: Song Listing for Compilation Tape
              21 Jan 1993 22:37:53 -0500 from <gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM>

shit. i forgot to make a list of the songs that i sent to you! do you still
have my list? if so, please send it! thanks...

woj

(back from spain and up too late clearing out allmusic mail)
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:49 EST
From:         kyle legate <9013118@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject:      Skinny Puppy


Does
anybody out there know if Last Rights is truly the last album Skinny Puppy's
putting out. I hear that they're coming out with a mini-album with their
first song, K9 on it. Is this also true?? I sure hope they tour again. Their
last concert was so good I stayed home and puked all the next day.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:56:48 EST
From:         DYCUJA@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Los Lobos

Hello-

I saw Los Lobos on a public television program last night (Lonesome Pine)
and realized that I had heard nothing from or about them in a long time.
Their music was extremely tasteful and i was wondering if anyone out there
would be kind enough to post a discography (i think thats what its called,
just a list of their albums).  Thanks.

-Jeff
dycuja@morekypr.bitnet
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