HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 14:14:49 TUR
From: <B92060@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.energy
Subject: 3D stress analysis for crack problems

I am interested in three dimensional stress analysis for crack problems using b
oundary element methods (specially three dimensional displacement discontinuity
method) and the method of analyzingcrack tip elements in three dimension and u
sing special crack tip elements for finding the mixed mode stress intensity fac
tors.
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Chemically Reacting Air
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:22:54 GMT

I'm trying to model the flow of high temperature air.......
I need to calculate the heat of formation of: N2 O2 N O NO NO+ e-
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anyone know what to do ??? References ????
--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: GIS newsgroup?
Keywords: GIS
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:47:40 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <haydenw.44.0@elp.aero.org> haydenw@elp.aero.org (bill hayden) writes:
>Is there a newsgroup specifically for GIS topics ?

Yes!  comp.infosystems.gis is a news group for general discussions of GIS
(geographic information systems), and is carried at an estimated 65% of all
usenet sites.  It is also available as a BITNET 'listserver' called GIS-L*.
Average traffic the last 6 months has been about 10-20 messages per day.
There are listservers for 'information graphics', for image processing and
remote sensing', for 'user interfaces for GIS', and for 'maps and air photo
libraries'.  At least two of these have limited distributions on Usenet
under the bit.listserv.* hierarchy that only a few Usenet sites carry.
Lastly, there are mail servers for users of the GRASS and also the IDRISI
GISs.

* note:  GIS-L was founded in 1988 by Ezra Zubrow, an archaeologist in the
  Anthropology Department here at Buffalo.

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
From: rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Concrete Pyramids
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:07:16 GMT
Organization: DPMMS University of Cambridge

In article <9OCT199209541731@utkvx1.utk.edu> mwaugh@utkvx1.utk.edu (marcie) writes:
> [...]
>The invention of concrete is generally attributed to the Romans....eg.
>the Colleseum. So, pyramids that predated that time would not be concrete,
>in my estimation.

``Attribution'' is a polite term for hearsay.
The only way to determine whether the Pyramids are made of concrete or
not is to go and look.  I have: they aren't.  

Richard Pinch
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Kelts?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.094348.9901@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Myrddin <Myrddin@tri.isolatedw.edu.ow> writes:
>It is normally writen "Celts" though the pronounciation in Celtic
>languages of "c" is as the English "k", never as an "s" as in the English
>"centre".
>So it is pronounced "KELTS" but writen "Celts".

I've heard the proper pronunciation of classical latin is also a hard "c".
A centre was a kentrum and the orators name was kikero (cicero).
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Ancient city of Ebla
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:07:29 GMT
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia

There was an article in the New York Times a few years ago regarding texts
found at Ebla, a city in northern Syria. I beleive the times indicated that
some of writings that were discovered would put the present Jewish, Christian,
and Muslim religions on shaky grounds. Does any one know what was discovered
and where do things stand so far regarding that city.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: gelwasser@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Request for Info. on ancient Partha/ Sassanid Persia
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:10:12 GMT

Does anyone out there know or can they suggest a good general history
book about either the Parthian or Sassanid empires.

Also is there any on going archaeological research projects related
to Partha or Sassanid Persia which have published new finding or
have reinterperted earlier material ? I'm particularly interested in
Military, Political or economic/trade subtopics.

Thanks,

Perry


























Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: ucpl040@unlvm.unl.edu
Subject: pathways
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:16:56 CST

I'm sure this issue might seem a bit pedestrian for this board and I'm
not really sure that that can be helped. So just post me back a hearty
'Shad ap!' if you feel the urge.
In any case...
My archaeology sub-group is studying the effects of foot traffic
on campus (U of Nebraska) which interferes with plant growth. Our
exploritory problem is essentially, 'what causes off-sidewalk-paths
to form?'.  We've already submited our proposal and have a number of
directions in which to go with this project. I would, however, like
to know if there have been any ethnoarchaeology projects similar to
this one attempted on other college campuses.
             --- scott l. underwood
                 UCPL040 at UNLVM
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Concrete Pyramids
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:33:34 GMT
Summary: there were LOTS of (different sorts of) pyramids
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete

In article <9OCT199209541731@utkvx1.utk.edu>, mwaugh@utkvx1.utk.edu (marcie) writes:
> In article <1992Oct3.022600.15370@acc.com>, art@acc.com (Art Berggreen) writes...
> >In article <752@capmkt.COM> charles@capmkt.COM (Charles Neveu) writes:
> >>I've heard that someone claims that the Egyptian pyramids are not made of 
> >>quarried rock, but of concrete. Does anyone know the source of this rumor?

> >I wonder if it's because the original pyramids were finished on the
> >exterior with a facing made from blocks of limestone.  Limestone is
> >the raw material cement is manufactured from.  The bulk of the pyramids
> >was definitly quarried blocks (granite, if I remember correctly).  Most
> >of the limestone was later stripped for other building projects.

The bulk of the rock is (local) limestone.  The  facings were high grade
Tura limestone or, in some limited instances, red granite from the Aswan
area.

The classic 4th dynasty pyramids at Giza are entirely quarried rock.  In
the Middle Kingdom, pyramids were constructed with interior "baffles" and
structural supports of quarried, fitted stones but with the bulk of the
material being rubble.  Once the facing was pirated for later building,
these later pyramids started disintegrating, having no internal integrity
n the pyramid form.

There is an excellent treatment of pyramids by one of the deans of Egyptian
archaeological study of them, Edwards, available in current paperback.  I'll
try to post a more exact reference when I get ahold of the book again.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
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standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
From: fongg@tikal.bu.edu (Matt Riggsby)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Secret of the Sphinx
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:04:10 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Oh, dear.  The sphinx thing again.  Yet more evidence that sensational ideas
get more press, even if they are completely wrong.  For those of you who just
tuned in...
	Not too long ago (maybe a year?) a geologist at the Boston University
College of Basic Studies (now the College of General Studies, still a sort of
junior college attached to BU) named Robert Schock (I may be spelling that
wrong) announced to the press that the Sphinx was actually five thousand years
older than we though, puting its construction around the start of the
Neolithic.  His evidence was the weathering on part of the Sphinx.  Apparently,
the bulk of the Sphinx's body is carved from a natural stone outcrop.  Schock
studied the weathering pattern and concluded that it had undergone too much
weathering for the carving to date from the third millenium BC.  This rather
astounding conclusion was released, as I say, directly to the press rather 
than in a scientific journal or any of the other regular channels for peer
review, so in our defense down at this end of Comm Ave I can say that nobody
in the BU departments of archeology or geology had the chance to say anything
until it was far too late.  
	But back to science.  Schock's theory is seriously questionable on a
number of grounds.  The major objections, culled from talking to our resident
geomorphologist (George Rapp) and Egyptologist (Kathryn Bard), are these:
	1)  Schock's environmental information is wrong.  He assumes far less
rainfall than our other information would suggest.  Adding more weathering from
rain would move Schock's estimated date closer to the accepted date.  
	2)  Archaeologically, Schock's date makes absolutely no sense.  Prof.
Bard, who works in the period where Schock would place the Sphinx's construction,
assures me that the people in Egypt at the time showed neither the skill nor the
inclination to make anything that big out of stone.  (Schock's response to
archaeological objections:  "As a geologist, that's not my problem.")
To those, I'd like to add my own:
	3)  Schock's data is from the back of the Sphinx, the part carved from
the stone outcrop.  The art historical evidence dates the front of the Sphinx
almost irrefutably to the third millenium.  If Schock is right, this means that
the Sphinx's butt loomed majestically over the desert for about five thousand
years before one Egyptian turned to another and said, "Hey, Thothokehres, let's
put a face on this thing."
	That's the story from this end.  Schock perserveres in his theory, or so
I'm told, but nobody around here believes a word of it.  

Disclaimer:  I speak for all of you.  

Death to .sigs!
From: byron@zeus.opt-sci.arizona.edu (Byron Taylor)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Kelts?
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:26:53 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona Optical Sciences Center

Isn't this a fish that is smoked and runs only at midnight on the beaches to 
spawn ?
Vote for Cthulhu, why vote for a lesser evil ?
From: haydenw@elp.aero.org (bill hayden)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: GIS newsgroup?
Summary: Is there a GIS newsgroup
Keywords: GIS
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:44:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: elp.haydenw.44.0
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: hayden.aero.org

Is there a newsgroup specifically for GIS topics ?
From: johnk@consilium.com (Sean Keeler)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Looking for Volunteers in Dor, Israel
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:46:01 GMT
Organization: Consilium, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXDate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:47:30 GMT

An article in Sunday's San Jose Mercury News spoke of a recent discovery
in Dor, northern Israel.  Archaeologists unearthed the skeletal remains
of a woman killed in an apparent earthquake some 3000 years ago.

Included in the article was the comment that Andrew Stewart, the
UC-Berkeley archaeologist who announced the discovery, is seeking
volunteers for excavation work there next summer.  If you are interested,
call (510) 643-9040.
 
Please note that I'm not involved in the project, just intrigued in the
subject.  If there's any interest, I can try to post the full article
about the discovery.
From: stiffler@brahms.udel.edu (Lucille A Stiffler)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Maya Long Count
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Is anyone familiar with the conversion algoritm(s) for converting the Gregorian
date to the Long Count and vice versa?  Actually, Julian date to Long Count 
would be the more logical form to use.  Also, does anyone know what is todays
date in the Long Count?  
  
Many thanks!
  
Lucy (I don't believe in signature files!)
From: wdieteri@wrdis01.af.mil (William)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Concrete Pyramids
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:26:15 GMT
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

If I remember right the reason there came about an idea that the blocks where
made of concrete is because  they found the remains of some flying
insect(butterfly, etc) when they broke open a rock.
From: wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Ancient city of Ebla
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:53:51 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <1992Oct13.230729.20028@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>There was an article in the New York Times a few years ago regarding texts
>found at Ebla, a city in northern Syria. I beleive the times indicated that
>some of writings that were discovered would put the present Jewish, Christian,
>and Muslim religions on shaky grounds. Does any one know what was discovered
>and where do things stand so far regarding that city.
>
>A.Faris


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As so often happens, a number of fantastic claims were made during
the early days before anyone had a chance to look at them.  Many of
the "place names" and "people names" claims were dropped eventually.

There were numerous arguments and bickerings, and eventually the original
translator was fired and went off and wrote a book on the subject,
followed by an "official" report.
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From: rcw@teal.csn.org (Robert C. White Jr.)
Subject: Re: Secret of the Sphinx
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:43:35 GMT

In article <98135@bu.edu> fongg@tikal.bu.edu (Matt Riggsby) writes:
>If Schock is right, this means that
>the Sphinx's butt loomed majestically over the desert for about five thousand
>years before one Egyptian turned to another and said, "Hey, Thothokehres, let's
>put a face on this thing."

Priceless.  Into the quotes file.  *Fwwwwip* ;-)




-- 
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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Earthquake (was Re: Concrete Pyramids)
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete Earthquake
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:35:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct14.033542.582
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  The Pyramids and the Sphinx are all well and good, but what of the Cairo
  Museum?  And the hundreds of other sites?  I'll grant you that many sites
  won't have been checked yet, but I'm still curious...                 

-- 
 --------------------------------- Iain Odlin ---------------------------------
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From: art@acc.com (Art Berggreen)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Concrete Pyramids
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:45:39 GMT
Organization: ACC, Advanced Computer Communications

In article <2910@wrdis01.af.mil> wdieteri@wrdis01.af.mil (William) writes:
>If I remember right the reason there came about an idea that the blocks where
>made of concrete is because  they found the remains of some flying
>insect(butterfly, etc) when they broke open a rock.

It's not unusual to find well defined fossils in natural limestones.
Some of the worlds best fossils are found in fined grained limestones.

Art
From: woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: kelts?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:01:12 -0500
Organization: Aurora Contracting
Reply-To: "Woody Baker" <woody@knapper.cactus.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

uh, nope.  Those fish are known as SMELTS.  Kelts it is my understanding
occur far from smelts....
Cheers
Woody
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From: ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Earthquake (was Re: Concrete Pyramids)
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete Earthquake
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:01:27 GMT
Reply-To: ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

The Giza Pyramids and Sphinx have survived the tragic Earthquake that hit
Cairo 24 hours ago. It was a 5.9 on the Richter scale. Its epicenter was
very close to the Giza area.

For furthur info, check soc.culture.arabic.

Nabil

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From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Rabbinical Literature
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:58:43 +0200
Keywords: Talmud
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct6.045724.4274@techbook.com>, bferguso@techbook.com (Robert Ferguson) writes:
>    Does anybody know of a newsgroup which would be appropriate for asking 
>    questions about Jewish Rabbinical literature? Questions  such as, "what
>    editions of the Talmud are currently in print?" Question that pertain to
>    the historical/archaeological/theological content of the literature.
> 
>    Thanks,
 

soc.culture.jewish of course!

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From: scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Concrete Pyramids & Concrete
Keywords: Egyptian Pyramids Concrete Teotihuacan
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:06:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <9OCT199209541731@utkvx1.utk.edu> mwaugh@utkvx1.utk.edu (marcie) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.022600.15370@acc.com>, art@acc.com (Art Berggreen) writes...
>>In article <752@capmkt.COM> charles@capmkt.COM (Charles Neveu) writes:
>>>I've heard that someone claims that the Egyptian pyramids are not made of 
>>>quarried rock, but of concrete. Does anyone know the source of this rumor?
>> 
>> [... limestone deleted ...]

>The invention of concrete is generally attributed to the Romans....eg.
>the Colleseum. So, pyramids that predated that time would not be concrete,
>in my estimation.

The Teotihuacanos used what a prof of mine (Edward Calnek) described as
"true concrete" in the construction of floors & foundations (though
apparently not walls).  There & other places in mesoamerica with similar
construction techniques, he's said some people have basically excavated with
dynamite. 8-)

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From: vincent@reg.triumf.ca (pete)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Secret of the Sphinx
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:17 PDT
Organization: dept. of theophysics and cosmogyny
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <98135@bu.edu> fongg@tikal.bu.edu (Matt Riggsby) writes:
>If Schock is right, this means that
>the Sphinx's butt loomed majestically over the desert for about five thousand
>years before one Egyptian turned to another and said, "Hey, Thothokehres, let's
>put a face on this thing."

Well, I think a reasonable alternative is that the outcrop had been
carved into an image previously, but that at a later time the face
was improved, or redone for religious or political reasons, or repaired
after decay. In pictures I have seen, the face does look like it was
executed with more skill than the body. Perhaps the carving was originally 
a lion. I doubt that one can do more than speculate, tho'.



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sitting before the Great Lookup Table  :
eating baked space potatoes, and lo!   :  Disclaimer: all I know I learned
he was wearing Heavy Boots.            :  from reading Usenet.

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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Who are the Canaanites
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:02:31 GMT


I have a very old book titled "Ancient Semetic Civilisations" by an author
of Sabatimo Moscati, who says based on the texts found at the ancient
Pheonician city of Ugarit in northwest Syria, the Canaanites are the
Pheonicians. He is saying the hebrew word Canaan means exactly Pheonicia.
Does any one out there know anything about this or shed some knowledge
on this subject. According to the encylopedia Britanica, the Canaanites have
practiced the same religions as the Pheonicians at Ugarit as discovered
from those texts.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: rakowski@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dakimh)
Subject: Re: Ice Ages, Magnetic Shifts, and Evolutio
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:28:36 GMT

As sort of a byline to the current conversation, (kind of interesting)
In my Geology class, we just covered the theory on the Earth's Magnetic
fields shifting... As a matter of fact, it does not happen instantaneously,
but takes ~300 years (total guess).  The magnetic field of the Earth has
been going down over the past few hundred years, and there is speculation
that the magnetic field could switch again in the not to distant
future... (after all, it's been a heck of a long time since the last one ;> )
-Dave
From: woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: earth quakes
Date: 15 Oct 1992 13:29:46 -0500
Organization: Aurora Contracting
Reply-To: "Woody Baker" <woody@knapper.cactus.org>

As the author of these 3 wastes of bandwidth points out
"bad logic can only breed more of the same"
'nuf said.

Cheers
Woody
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