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From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Re: MONEY + Linux
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:56:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.203136.18995@news.stolaf.edu> johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec17.033917.2963@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
>
>   Can Linux go on forever without some commercial support?  I mean,
>
>problems.  I have seen this attitude with most people writing for
>Linux.  It is precisely /not/ commercial -- It is better.
>

Permit me to expand on this point (how could you stop me :-).
Commercial software typically has one extremely unpleasant side effect
that has driven this user to using Linux: the marketing arm of the
organizations, come to control so much of the technical direction, that
as the organization grows to a size where it can start to do impressive
things, it becomes increasingly paralyzed.  And the products they deliver
become increasingly disjointed.

Worse, competition with rival firms forces jerky, aimless changes in direction,
and "strategic announcements" all serving to confuse the end user, almost
as much as it confuses its employees.

The package I coordinate (SLS) is just the kind of (un*x) system I wanted
to be able to buy from some organization for say <= $200.  As it was, I was
already paying about that for just a C++ compiler under DOS.  But it turned out
that the only thing available (in 1990) would have cost >= $1300 CDN, didn't
include source code, and was just one of many incompatible systems, none of which
was certain to still be around in 2 years.  (I ended up using Minix before Linux)

Now, SLS is available commercially from Softlanding for the cost of the 
distribution.   Also, RMS (Richard Stallman) has expressed a desire to
add it to the FSF tape distributions.  But having a package like 
SLS go fully commercial, is not really feasible because:

	- restrictions on redistribution are not allowed because of GNU.
	- marketing decisions would increasingly distort the packaging.
	- the copyright issues would be horrendous, when money is involved.

Still, I think that the growth of Linux is paralleling the rapid growth
in the internet.  That explains its sudden appearance, and warrents that
the "free support" aspect can continue, indefinitely.

Peter
pmacdona@sanjuan.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tmpcms@eua.ericsson.se (Carl Michael Skoog)
Subject: [BUG REPORT] Partition get corrupt when floppy is accessed
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:44:51 GMT

Somebody suggested we should concentrate on bug fixes before releasing ver 1.0,
so here comes a bad one.....

I did an 'tar tvf /dev/fd0' last night (by mistake, I know about this bug),
with the result that simple commands
like 'cat' started to dump core, getting 'fs_inode: bit already cleared' now
and then for no good reason, and other oddities. When I tried to reboot the
machine it hung by the 'Partition table OK' message. An old boot diskette was
tried where 'fsck' reported 'Root inode is not directory'. So, as far as i can 
tell, random bytes was spread all over the disk.

To clearify, i've had problems with this since i started to use Linux, and it
ONLY shows up when the hardware cache is ENabled (but THEN it is a sure killer).
I,ve tried to replicate the pattern with the cache DISabled, but it's steady as
rock.

I have an noname OPTI chipset, AMI BIOS, 386-40 Mhz motherboard with a
very-much-no-name IDE disk/floppy controller card.

I can live with this bug, but it's a nuisance having to reboot every time i 
want to use the floppy.

Merry Christmas to you all !!!
(I hope i didn't ruin your christmas, Linus :-) )

Carl Michael Skoog
From: csas400@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: swap space ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:38:26 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Hello Linuxers,

     Tonight I'm going to try to install the SLS package availaible on TSX-11,
I've got a question (albeit misguided).  As far as I can tell (since I've only
got 5 meg of memory) I'll need a swap space.  It looks like Linux can have a
swap file OR a swap partition.  Is there an advantage to using one or the
other? ...or am I /way/ off base?


				-Jeffrey E. Hundstad
				j3gum@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk (Alan Charlton)
Subject: Re: 0.99 problem
Reply-To: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Organization: nowhere in particular...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:13:51 +0000

In article <BzD54t.M46@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Jeff-Randall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall) writes:
> 
> 10 to 1 you're now running crond or the TCP daemons (inted, named, etc)
> which have a working directory somewhere in /usr. (/usr/spool/cron/crontabs
> or /usr/etc/inet respectively)
> 
> In order to unmount the partition, you cannot have any files accessing
> it... kill the dameons off and try unmounting it manually.  
> 
> (Although, if it's just a problem at shutdown, it should not be a significant
> problem, as long as the filesystems is sync'ed, there is no reason that the
> filesystem has to be unmounted... you should be able to safely ignore
> the warning).
> 

I spent a few hours last night trying things - I hadn't thought of /usr/etc and
/usr/spool/cron though......hmmmm.....I'll have a shufty at that tonight.

BUT - and this the confusing part - if I just do a 'sync; umount -a' then everything
unmounts without any complaints at all.  Very weird.

Yours clueless,

Alan.
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From: warb@faatcrl (Dan Warburton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Simple SCSI tar file question
Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:23:22 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mars.faa.gov

root@umibox.hanse.de (Bernd Meyer) writes:

>warb@faatcrl (Dan Warburton) writes:


>>Excuse my Ignorance but what is going on here?
>>It's like the tar file is not making the dirs. as needed.
>>This is on a sun system using suns tar.

>Looks like dist is an existing file, so a directory can't be created.

>>mars{warb}-> ls                                                         
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ only fscsi-a07.tar is in the directory
>>fscsi-a07.tar                                                           
>>mars{warb}-> tar -xvf fscsi-a07.tar                                     
>>x dist, 0 bytes, 0 tape blocks                                          
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is there a dist FILE on the tar messing things up?

>>tar: can't create dist/README.SCSI: Not a directory                     
>>tar: can't create dist/fscsi.diff: Not a directory                      
>>tar: can't create dist/tape: Not a directory                            
>>tar: dist/tape: Not a directory                                         


>Bernie

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From: rbraun@spdcc.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: [Q] Serial ports?
Keywords: serial ports
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc., Waltham MA

jwhub@sci.kun.nl (Jan Willem Hubbers) writes:
>It would be pretty important for me to have at least 3, but preferably
>4 serial ports. (Mouse, external modem, 0-modem to my old system, and
>cable-TV modem for our university's telework project).
>
>I also read about the AST fourport, which is reported to work.
>Where does AST stand for? Is it the manufacturer?

AST is indeed a manufacturer.  Last I checked, though, multi-port
serial boards on the ISA bus were horrendously overpriced (like
US$1000 for an 8-port board from DigiBoard, as compared to $30 for a
2-port board).  Is there *any* manufacturer of densely-populated
serial boards in the sub-$25/port range?  One which would suit the
needs of Linux users?

-rich
From: Joshua.Lee@p3.f247.n271.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Wanted: fidoware
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:41:10 -0800

 UB> We got Cnews & Tin running...
 UB> We got Binkley (from TSX-11) to poll...

 UB> There must be some ware (soft!) to interface between 
 UB> Binkley and the other parts of this
 UB> how-to-be-a-linux-fidonet-point-puzzle...

rfmail is supposed to work fine, albiet somewhat on the primative side.
I've seen it in action elsewhere, though not under Linux yet. Since
there
are binaries of rfmail distributed around though I assume it works.
Binkley for Unix (unlike it's DOS, Atari ST, and OS/2 flavors)
is early alpha, so I don't know if I should reccomend it unless 
you plan to do alot of recoding to get it to be more stable.
 
You'll need at least part of rfmail or a package called RFC converter
(maybe the same thing) in order to make FidoNet packets toss to
a newsgroup format in order to read them with a Usenet newsreader.
 
One of these days I'll get ahold of it, unfortunately it was ported
after I left the DC metro area, so the only (outdated) source of
Linux files around here is myself. :-) BTW, what has changed
since version 0.96c?
 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Subject: Re: [Q] SLS+0.99+TCPIP+SMC16
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:54:10 GMT
Organization: TH-Darmstadt

In article <865@blue.cis.pitt.edu> broadley@lrdc5 (Bill Broadley) writes:

>   I just got and read the new NET FAQ for 0.99 and still can't get anything
>   to work.  During bootup I get the syntax for /usr/etc/inet/config displayed
>   twice during boot up.  I am fairly sure I answered all the 
>   /usr/etc/inet/install.inet problems appropiately.  I know that the IRQ and I/O
>   address's are right, (IRQ 5 And i/o 280) becuase dos uses them and works.
>   Also the memory address were right stock (D0000).

>   One other strange thing is when I soft boot into dos, the tcpip there doesn't
>   work, but if I hard boot into dos it does.  (this is reliable).  Seems that
>   linux is locking up the ELITE SMC 16 card somehow.

Did you ensure:
	-) No overlapping address ranges, D0000 may be a little bit
	dangerous. (everyone believes it is free -- granted )
	-) Did you attach the card to a known working net
	(termination 2*50 Ohms, R58 A/U or C/U cable )
	-) no conflicting IRQs?

Advice: Boot DOS, get EZsetup-disk and test your card with "diagnose".
	IT IS WISE, not to use the defaults and keeping out of
	any dangerous area. We ere successful with:
	
	-) soft setup
	-) IRQ 10 ( as IRQ 11 is often used by Adaptec )
	-) Address D8000
	
	AND edit space.h accordendly!!!! Recompile

There were declaration in we.c like "struct ring xxx". I propose
to declare them volatine, as they reference shared memory
between Ethernet controller and CPU.

best adams
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jes@grendel.demon.co.uk (Jim Segrave)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT [BUG in 0.99] Re: [ANNOUNCE]: linux version 0.99
Keywords: kernel linux 0.99
Organization: Segrave Software Services
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:32:30 +0000

In article <1992Dec14.192204.16359@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:
> [odds and ends re fixing things...]
> 1) in linux/fs/inode.c, at the start, change
>
>	static struct wait_queue * inode_wait;
>
>    to
>
>	static struct wait_queue * inode_wait = NULL;
>

Just curious - I haven't got the .99 sources yet, but why is an explicit
initialiser needed here. A static pointer ought to be initialised to
NULL in the executable already? 

Jim

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From: 9128057f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: WANTED: An ET4000 based card!  Someone help!?
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:36:32 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au
Originator: daemon@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au

Howdy Everyone,

  Sorry to post a trader add here but I've tried almost everywhere else without
any sucess - 

  Does anyone have an ET4000 based card they wish to sell?  1mb mandatory,
preferably Tseng Labs, and in Australia would be a good idea as well :-)

  If not, can I get one through mail order (or whatever) from overseas and have
it delivered to Aus. quickly, and cheaply?  The cost of a new one over here is
around the $220OZ mark (that's around $150US) which is a bit steep.

   Thanks in advance,
	       	  Neil. 
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From: nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LPD: no daemon present SOLVED! (I wish)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:49:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

wongi@netcom.com (Isaac Wong) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.043149.28796@afterlife.ncsc.mil> pjangli@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Philip Anglin) writes:
>>Well, it's solved for me anyway.  The problem I had is
>>that the printcap I got had of=/usr/lib/lpf, but that

>.... So, there must be some problem with my
>printcap entry for using my Laserjet in serial mode. Coould anyone
>tell me if there's anything wrong with this please ?

>lp:br#9600:lp=/dev/ttys0:sd=/usr/spool/lp1: lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs

I still haven't gotten lpd going either with this LaserWriter on ttys2.. I snagged the cable
specs from a local hardware god (he swears they're right) and cat > /dev/ttys2 kinda works
if you keep it small.

Ideas?

Here's my entry:

lp|LaserWriter:\
	:br#9600:lp=/dev/ttys2:\
	:sd=/usr/spool/lpd: lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs
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From: haen@veces.stgt.sub.org (Herbert Neugebauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux/LILO and Sector Size !!!!!! Help
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:26:12 GMT
Organization: TRN Porting Labs

In article <724280226haen.news@veces.stgt.sub.org> haen@veces.stgt.sub.org (Herbert Neugebauer) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Last week I first installed Linux on my HD, and it worked
>very well from the beginning (using SLS with kernel 0.98pl1).
>
>Normally I'm using OS/2, so I wanted to be able to boot
>Linux without floppy via the bootmanager. I read the faq
>and got the lilo 0.6 package. (I also got kernel 0.98pl5)
>
>Disk paritioning:
>
>/dev/sda4  primary C:  OS/2 HPFS   ~270MB
>/dev/sda5  log.             FAT    ~32MB
>/dev/sda6  log.        Linux ext.  ~50MB
>/dev/sda7  log.        Linux swap  ~25MB
>/dev/sda8  log.        Linux ext.  ~27MB
>

Ok, sorry for wasting bandwidth, I solved the first problem.
But now there's another, if I select Linux drive from the 
bootmanager, it first seams to work, but only two characters
are written to the screen

LI

and nothing more, no disk access, disk light off...
I still have to boot via the boot floppy, which works
correctly. I compiled kernel 0.98pl5 with the correct
ROOT_DEV setting (/dev/sda6 which was the error on the
first try *grin*), and I used the following command
(after compiling lilo) :

/etc/lilo # lilo -b /dev/sda6 -i boot.b -v -v -v /vmlinux

I also tried the kernel /Image which is pl1, no change.

I also read about exactly the same problem. Perhabs the one
who had this problem previously solved the problem.
The disktab file contains the settings that were determined
using the dparam.com under msdos and partition start valued
determined with fdisk, so this should be correct.

thanx in advance   (again :-)

    Herbert
    
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From: Dave.Deavours@f303.n232.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Deavours)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Wanted: fidoware
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 10:24:20 -0800

 UB> We got Cnews & Tin running...
 UB> We got Binkley (from TSX-11) to poll...

Where'd you find it!?  I've been looking.  

 UB> There must be some ware (soft!) to interface between Binkley and
the other
 UB> parts of this how-to-be-a-linux-fidonet-point-puzzle...

You need a bit of software that will take the FIDOnet packets and turn
them into something you can read.  A "tosser."  I don't know of one for
Unix.

Dave


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: barr@stein.u.washington.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: HELP X gods! .99 broke my xdm!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:47:43 GMT

tgc@world.std.com (Terry Carlin) writes:

>Did you make the small patch for .99 dealing with inodes,etc???
>Came out right after the announcement.
>X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>-- 
>Terry Carlin
>tgc@world.std.com

I did, and I'm still experiencing the same problems that were
described in the previous messages.

David
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stodghil@cs.cornell.edu (Paul Stodghill)
Subject: Emacs 18.59 patches
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Cornell U.
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:42:13 GMT

Could someone please point me to some patches for Emacs 18.59.

I found a set of patches on tsx-11 called "x11emacs.patch", but they appear
to be for 18.58. I applied these patches anyway, and they didn't appear to
be complete. In particular, I still had to deal with request_sigio and
unrequest_sigio croak()'ing. Also, xemacs doesn't initialize the tty
correctly.

I'm fairly confident that such patches exist, as there is a working copy of
18.59 on the SLS distribution.

If it matters, I'm currently running 0.98pl5, and will be upgrading to 0.99
shortly. Oh yeah, I'm compiling with GCC 2.3.2 (CFLAGS=-g): that wouldn't
matter, would it?
From: higgins@birke.uni-paderborn.de (Frank Westheider)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: root login refused on some terminals, can't see kermit prompt.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:20:46 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: birke.uni-paderborn.de

chuck@perlab.eas.asu.edu (Chuck Lunskis) writes:

>I've got two problems, that I can't solve... I've look in the FAQ, and
>didn't see anything related to either, so here goes...

>Why is root login refused on some terminals?  I've encountered this in
>two places. first, I've added a couple extra getty calls in inittab so I can
>login to tty5 and tty6, but if I try to login as root, I get the message
> "root login refused on this terminal."  Same thing happens if I try to login
>as root from an xterm.  What do I need to do to fix this?

>Second problem I've seen mentioned in the past, but apparently missed the 
>solution...  I'm using minicom, and when I start up kermit, I never see the 
>kermit command prompt.  How to fix this?

>I'm running version 0.99.

>Thanx in advance for any help.

>Chuckster
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Add the new tty's in the /etc/securetty-Table. Just write them behind the
others, and all will work fine !

Greetings

  Frank (higgins@uni-paderborn.de)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nhc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (n.h.chandler)
Subject: [Q] Where are the sources for Linux net software?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:10:15 GMT
Keywords: ftp, ftpd, telnet, telnetd ...

Where can one locate the sources for Linux networking software?
I've tried unsuccessfully, a number of ftp sites.
I'm seeking the sources for ftp, ftpd, telnet and telnetd.
Please respond by e-mail.  Thank you.

--Neville Chandler        nhc@mtdcr.mt.att.com

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From: kilroy@ms.uky.edu (Paul S. Kilroy)
Subject: Re: New user = easy question?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:31:34 GMT
Organization: Big, Dangerous Ideas, Inc.

benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com (Adam Benjamin) writes:

|Well, I thought I would "expand my horizons" and learn unix.
|I am a Amiga and Dos wiz and would like to learn more about
|Unix (well Linux in this case)
|I got the FAQ's the install docs and the .98 boot and root.
|and it almost works 8`( on my Zenith 386-20. 
| 
|When the Boot disk loads up it gives me the EGAc in the corner
|and lists various screen modes but the text goes off the bottom
|of the screen (at least 5 lines I would guess) I can't seem to
|change the screen to be fewer rows. hitting any key just loads
|the root image and it works fine too, just runs off the bottom of
|the screen is all. Is there a way to change the number of rows
|that linux displays?  (I haven't installed it yet, just booting
|off the floppies) 
|Also where is .99?  I ftped .98 from Wuarchive (mirror site)
| 
|Thanks, from a would be linux-er


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| \X/  Adam Benjamin          Insert snappy humor here
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This is only a guess, but the same problem happened to me. I had
remembered reading that the vesa VGA support had been dropped
(or something like that) and I figured that was the problem..
I think it worked under 95(or whatever the first sls was) and then
stopped working when i upgraded to the newer sls (98.1)

can anyone else comment on this??

paul



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