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From: pry@matrix.com (Paul Young)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:14:27 GMT
Organization: Matrix Corporation, Raleigh, NC
 

>The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
>a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of 
>teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
>to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
>was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
>NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the 
>intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.
>
Let me tell you guys how it is...

The biggest rivalry in the ACC (historically speaking) has always been
NCSU/UNC.  However, Dean Smith seemed to always have Valvano's number, no
matter how good State was.  (for example, 'V' only won 1 time at the Dome,
and I believe it was his last year)  During this time (last 10 years), Duke
became respectable.  This led to a fierce rivalry between UNC/Duke.
This rivalry is, for the short term, more intense than the NCSU/UNC rivalry.
HOWEVER, Les Robinson (new State coach) is 3-1 against old Deano and is
undefeated in the Dome.  I think the rivalry pendulem is swinging back
to Raleigh.

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From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: Chicago HS's will play ball this year!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:20:07 GMT

I wasn't really paying attention at the time, but I'm 99.9% sure that
foot locker or another major sporting goods outlet will donate $400,000
to the school districts.  This brings the total to the required $1 million
needed to fund extracurricular activites.  So, Rashad, Kiwaine and others
will get to play their senior years.

Let you know as I find out.

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:07:15 CDT
Keywords: Ala/Ark

In article <92361@netnews.upenn.edu> arent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (William J. Arent) writes:
>I haven't posted to r.s.b.c. in a LONG time so don't give me the
>same treatment that fellow in AriZOnA gets ...

I didn't see this quip before I flamed with my last post.  I guess you did
get the same treatment.  :^)

>1. I'm from the West and really don't see what's the big rivalry 
>   between Indiana and Purdue.  The history is there, I concede, but
>   Purdue just hasn't matched up with them for quite a while (not
>   since the unfulfilled days of Everett Stephens, Mitchell, etc in 198_?
>   I'd rather watch an Indiana-Michigan game, since that one might
>   be CONTESTED.

To be more factual, from 1985-present, this series stands at 8-8.  Purdue
swept IU in 1985, and the series split in 1986, 1987, and 1988 (this
strectch of the series featured some of the best matched Purdue-IU teams
you would ever find, especially in 1987 when the two teams tied for the Big
10 championship, and both teams spent a majority of the year in the
Top-10).  Since 1988 (the Mitchell-Stephens-Lewis team that you mention),
IU does hold a 5-3 advantage, getting sweeps in 1989 and 1991 but getting
swept in 1990 and splitting in 1992.  Still, I don't think it means the
series isn't contested.  And although this year might be an IU sweep (but it
probably won't since they couldn't even do it last year), see what happens
after Bobby's diaper dandies are gone.
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: More Tark Trouble
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:47:13 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


  I'm surprised this hasn't popped up here yet.  The LA Times reported that
evidence of new NCAA violations against ex-UNLV coach Jerry Tarkanian,
including "A dealership that gave players free use of cars for years."
Rollie must be loving this.
  In other news, Tark tore up a picture of the Pope in Spurs camp. 
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Vitale's Basketball Rag
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:55:10 GMT

In article <matthew.718911714@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:

>OK, so Montross is 2nd team All-American at Center, but nowhere to be found
>in the ACC awards?  So much for internal consistency (and don't give
>me any of this crap about how he's the 2nd best Center in the country, but 
>only by default because there aren't any good Centers and the ACC team is 
>full of forwards and guards, all of whom are better than Montross.)
>
>I'm not arguing the merits of Montross here.  A 2nd team all-american
>should be on the all-conference team - no matter what the conference.

I think the problem here is that you've got two different writers telling you
two different things.  The ACC section was probably not written by the same
person who put together the All-American teams.  This same thing happened in
the NCAA preview mag, in which college coaches put Michigan preseason number
one and Indiana preseason No. 3, but Terry Boers, who wrote the Big Ten preview
tabbed IU to win the Big Ten this year.

As for the merits of Montross, he does come with a 90-day money back guarantee.
:)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:28:26 GMT

In article <a-7-QC+@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
> What about Duke's banner from '86 for
> finishing #1 in the polls BEFORE the tourney.
> Everyone does it.

I'm no fan of it, but, in 1986, were there polls after the tourney?
I don't think so.  Now, if it was preseason #1...

Now, I think, the only post-season poll is CNN/USA TODAY.  The final
AP Poll is released before the NCAA's start.

Orin

> JMH

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:34:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <718988631@termite.cs.duke.edu> db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:
>
>There's another reason. On a recent visit to the Dean Dome
>I was astounded by the number of ACC championship banners
>hanging from the rafters. The Tar Heels owned this conference
>from the mid 70's to the late 80's. I think they won 11 out
>of possible 15 ACC championships during that era or something
>ridiculous like that.
>
>People hate a winner.
>

I love this.  Only at Carolina would they have the gall to hang ACC
championship banners for YEARS THEY DID NOT WIN.  If you look closely
at those so-called "Championship Banners" that say "ACC CHAMPIONS"
in very large print, well, if you put on your glasses and look really
hard you >>might<< be able to make out the very small print that says
"Regular Season" -- which, as any in-the-know follower of the ACC can
tell you, means nothing.  The ACC Champion always has been (and, God willing,
always will be) the Tournament winner.  I once counted and Carolina has
something like 9-11 of these bogus banners hanging up there.

This is annoying.

Incidentally, I have heard that Clemson has something similar in 
Littlejohn Coliseum.  But, being Clemson, I can't find it in me to
castigate them for it.  I think Carolina cheapens their "real"
championships with these "bogus" ones.  Clemson doesn't have any real
ones, so let 'em have their little thrill, I say.

- Rob MacK
)
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Vitale's Basketball Rag
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:44:57 CDT

>trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>
>
>> I just picked up Vitale's rag on the advice of net.consensus...
>
>>All-Americans: (with nice analysis charts)
>>2nd Team
>>C Eric Montross, UNC
>

Could you post Vitale's predictions for the Big 10?


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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: Flint to Ohio State
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:54:57 GMT

It was tough for UC to lose Damon Flint, especially to Ohio State (whats new?)
but you must have forgotten that in the previous two years they have gotten the 
best players in Cincinnati, John Jacobs and Keith Gregor. Although I'm sure UC
would like to get the top player in Cincinnati every year, they 
don't limit themselves to local players. They went to the final four with 
basicly no local guys (except for Jeff Scott) and this years team (which 
should have more talent) has no local guys that I am aware of...
From: mlk@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Nightcrawler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:36:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>
>	So what is the best rivalry in college basketball?  Consider factors
>such as tradition, quality of teams, and the impact of the game (i.e. does
>it usually determine conference champs).
>later,
>BrianE 


	Without a doubt it has to be .........
		PURDUE vs. I.U.
This is a game that the entire state takes time out to watch.



----------------- Matt K.
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: TOSU vs UC (OSU Fans Plse Read)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:00:18 CDT

In article <1992Oct9.211414.5160@news.ysu.edu> ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore) writes:
>
>Also, UC Football would not be ready for the Big Ten, or most any
>other conference....

Obviously, you haven't been paying a lot of attention to Big 10 football
this year.....  :^)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Keywords: Ala/Ark
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:36:29 GMT

In article <92361@netnews.upenn.edu> arent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (William J. Arent) writes:
>
>Two comments:
>1. I'm from the West and really don't see what's the big rivalry 
>   between Indiana and Purdue.  The history is there, I concede, but
>   Purdue just hasn't matched up with them for quite a while (not
>   since the unfulfilled days of Everett Stephens, Mitchell, etc in 198_?
>   I'd rather watch an Indiana-Michigan game, since that one might
>   be CONTESTED.

	Wrong.  When was Bob Knight's first year in Bloomington?  1971-72?
	Beginning then, Purdue is 19-24 against IU.  Nobody else that
	has played IU that much has done as well.  Since Gene Keady
	came on board at Purdue in 1980-81, Purdue is 10-13, about the
	same as the whole period.  Thus, Purdue has been competitive
	with IU.  It's the greatest rivalry in the country for fan
	enthusiasm, with maybe Duke-UNC or UK-UL being at the same
	level...
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:16:58 -0400 
From: James T Graves <jg4o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.basketball.college: 9-Oct-92 Re: Best
Rivalry in College.. by Scott D. Davis@mccall.co 
> In article <5922@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
writes:
> >How about:
> >  Kansas-Missouri (the range war)
>  
> Kansas-KansasSt

Ok, so what's the *longest* rivalry between teams that actually count
(i.e., Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth don't count, but since this is
basketball I doubt they'd be in the running anyway)?  Both the
Kansas-KansasSt and Kansas-Missouri rivalries date back to 1907, when
Kansas was coached by Naismith himself...

Jim

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Subject: Looking for AHMADI MUSLIM netters!
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:55:36 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <5698@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
{on Jerry Stackhouse}:
>   I agree that too much is made of the difference between SF and PF, but do
>you really want to put a 6-5 guy in the post?  

I hate to follow-up to my own post, but I made an error here.  Stacks is
actually 6-7.  I still wouldn't want him as my primary post player, though.

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Annual Prediction...
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:53:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct8.150233.14968@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Charles Richter writes:
>>> You should try to justify this assertion.
>>
>>This is rec.sport.basketball.college.  There's no place for that kind of
>>talk here!
>
>Right. All of the rec.sport groups were created under a proof-by-
>shouting charter. They pass out free exclamation points, or did when
>I subscribed, when you first post. However, I hardly ever use mine and
>now my desk is littered with them. I am running low, though, on
>Snide Remarks, Pointless Jibes, and Adolescent Venom and could
>use a refill. Does anyone know if the supply truck will come around
>before Thanksgiving?

Don't forget Sniveling Sentences and Whining Retorts.  They seem to be 
in especially short supply.  You don't suppose T-bone stole the truck
when he took off, do you?

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From: greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Griffith Cancels OSU Visit
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:08:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <19959@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>Isn't the Krannert School of Management reasonably highly regarded
>(for a public institution)?  How good is Wisconsin's school?

Krannert (the graduate school) is in the top 25 nationally.  I don't know
how highly regarded the undergrad management school is, but I hope it's
up there -- they're giving me a degree this spring!

It would be nice that the tough academic rep of Purdue would be a selling
point to a top-notch player.  Assuming he's eligible...


Shawn Green
greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: ejk@dlogics.com (Rico Suave)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: Datalogics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:48 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

>  Personally, I think it was that damned 4 corners that Dean used to run
>that turned so many people off! :-)  
>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)

Actually, (I may be way off) wasn't Georgtown's John Thompson the one who
ran the 4 corners offense?  I know others have ran it back in the days of
no 45-sec clock, but wasn't he the one who "perfected" the use and became
known for it?

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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:31:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1bc70lINNdk1@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker) writes:
> Don't forget Tellis Frank.

	I didn't forget him. He was drafted 14th...


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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers to Go all the way.
Keywords: Lakers to go all the way.
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:05:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In <1992Oct10.015617.908@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:

>I can only say, Western Conference fans, don't waste your time watching any 
>NBA games if you're not a Lakers fan because you'll only be disappointed.
>While all of the focus is on the over-hyped Phoenix Suns, look for the Lakers
>to quietly take the division with a possible 70 wins.  

Ah, there's nothing like preseason hype! Before you get too carried away,
how many games did the Lakers win last year? Ok, subtract this number from
70 and this gives you the number of additional games that the Lakers have
to win this year. These wins have to come from somewhere. Start looking
around at the Western division and ask yourself what teams WON't be
improved this year.

Sorry, but I just can't see the Lakers getting more wins than Portland or
Seattle and possibly Golden State.

It's good to see Magic back (I won't comment on his contract :-)).
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From: tomw@bnr.co.uk (Tom Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Stanley Roberts?
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:52:03 GMT
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You'll have to forgive my ignorance, but our news feed has been down for a
month, and we don't get much basketball news in the UK.

Anyway, here goes:-

	What happened in the Stanley Roberts trade?

I know that this may be old news now, but I'd much appreciate if somebody
could mail me this old news.

Thanks in advance.

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:01:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Oct7.150105.24604
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Oct7.001253.18098@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>>Not a bad acquisition here.  Tucker's D is in fact pretty good, and he's one
>>of the NBA's all time leading three point shooters.  But I can't see him being
>>on the floor very long.  He's not much of anything else.
>
>Good D and great outside shooting, but he's not that good?  What else
>do you want from your 2 guard :).  The problem is that he won't be able
>to play next to Paxon - who the hell would handle the ball?  I do see
>him spending seom time next to Jordan, though.

I think maybe Tucker and Paxson on the court at the same time isn't so
far-fetched, as long as Pippen is out there to handle the ball.  Paxson
and Hodges really couldn't play at the same time, but I think that had
more to do with defensive matchup problems than ballhandling.

If Tucker can still perform as he did a year or two ago, this is a great
pickup for Chicago.  It looks like they're replacing Hansen (big defensive
guard) and Hodges (three-point shooter) with Tucker, so they get both the
defense and the shooting on the floor at the same time.
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From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu 
Subject: Re: Selfish
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:26:00 GMT

In article <oeonPLW00aw9QTgF01@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jonathan T. Moore" <jmci+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Although I'll agree that there is a chance that other members of the NBA
>may contract the HIV virus from playing against Magic, many others who
>post to this bulletin board point out that this chance is very slim
>indeed. In fact, I read somewhere where statisticians calculated that
>players at the Olympics had a greater chance of being struck by
>lightning than of contracting HIV from Johnson. In addition, bus
>accidents and plane crashes are a lot more common, yet NBA players take
>road trips all the time. Let us also not forget that there are dozens of
>other deadly communicable diseases circulating around the NBA,
>considering all the wild living that apparently goes on. Thus, to sum
>up, I do not believe that Magic playing pro basketball significantly
>endangers any of the other players.
> 
>And now that I've said my piece, adieu.
> 
>Jon

Whatever you said above may be true. BUT, plane crush, lightnig, etc. are
all natural disaster, which you can not prevent it from happening. Magic's
case is very differently from those natrual things. You can eliminate it
by without leting the slfish guy playing on the court! 

Bob