HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: reply to S. Borodin
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:12:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.191233.17179
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <96362@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.193138.28842@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null)
> writes:

> A lot of stuff which has nothing to do with my posting and, as customized
> here, accusses me in a sort of a membership in "Pamyat'" and other Neo-
> Nazi organizations.

> Dear Mr. Null,
> You defenetly missunderstood my posting. And I would appreciate if you
> will read BEFORE start typing an answer. It will also be benefitial if
> you will read the WHOLE article and not pick up a sentence you don't
> like. After all, 79 characters per line will also make your reply more 
> readable, however I understand that you might express your disrespect
> to me in this way.

On contrary, I believe that Mr. Null posting is relevant
to the discussion and to Sergei Borodin's opinion. Mr Null
is too articulate for Sergei to flame him (ignoring
what he wrote), but too strong in his opinion to ignore
him blatantly. Please, next time *do* quote from articles you are
answering to.

Misha.
From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:53:52 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>The logic may have been Stalin's pseudo-anthropological idea that to be a
>"nationality" people had to have a homeland.  If Jews were a nationality,
>they had to have a homeland, a remote piece of dirt, taiga and mountains 
>off on the Chinese border.  A home of their own!  To hell with the natives,

Mmm, why does Israel come into my mind at this point?

>or the fact that there has never been any Jews in the area.  It's the
>thought, if any, that counts.

>-- 
>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
N.O. Monaghan

monaghan@dcs.gla.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Obratno k kulture :-)...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:57:43 GMT

You may or may not like what I am going to say next. If you like it, I like
you, if you don't like it you are anti-semite and deserve to rest 6 ft under.
What I want to say is as simple as a clear day, and should be taken as lightly
as a feather. Yesterday, I asked my rabbi what he thinks about what I have
to say, and he did not reply. He just laughed. So, listen to me now, and 
believe me later: Jews have the best jokes! If you don't agree listen to these
two:

Joke 1:

In Morocco, a Jew and an Arab shared a farm, but times got hard and they
decided they had to split up.  But how to divide the assets was a problem:
all they had left was a goat, a cow and a hen.
   "I know," said the Arab. "You take the hen, and I'll take the goat and
 and the cow."

 The Jew refused.
   "Okay then, youtgake the goat and I'll take the cow and the hen."
 Still his Jewish partner refused.
    "Okay," suggested the Arab, "Let's eat the cow now, then I'll have the
  goat and you have the hen."
  Still the Jew refused.
    "I'll tell you what," said the Jew,"you have the goat, if you like,
  and the cow and I will take the hen."


Joke 2:

Abram and Sarah are in bed. "Listen, Sarah," says Abram,"do me a favor and 
close the window, it cold outside."

"And if I close the window, will it be warmer outside?"


Please laugh now as hard as your stomach can shake.

--Garik.

ps. Every American Jew should like this one:

Joke: The math teacher points to the back of the class.
"Abie," he askes, "what is four per cent?"
Abie shakes his head. " You are right. What's four per cent?"

:-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-) :-):-) :-) 






Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Russian/English Translation Software
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:33:19 GMT

Does anyone have any experience with the Globalink English/Russian
translation software for MS-DOS?  The cheapest I have seen it is for
around $400...does anyone know of a source for it that charges less?

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: verbit@cauchy.mit.edu (Mikahil Verbitski)
Subject: Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET!
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 06:32:25 GMT

slava@kremvax.hq.demos.su> writes on my behalf:

[ oblong quotes from me and Patricia deleted to save bandwidth ]

>Skazal, chto puknul...

>>       My grandmother was from "mestechko" and I can judge
>>       the truth of what Solzh wrote about Jews by what I have
>>       seen myself. He is biased and his picture of Jewish
>>       nastiness is exagerrated.

>  -Odnoi rukoi pismo strochil,
>  -Drugoi - khuia raznodrochil...

	Translation of this piece of genuine poetry: 

			One hand was used for a writing,
			And other one - for masturbating.

>Most Sincerely,
>Slavik

	Genuis. Sheer genuis. I guess, something wrong with
	"soc.culture.soviet via ListServ". Besides this,
	that's all fine. To the Sincere Slavik: please learn 
	how to delete lines. It could help even if nothing else
	can.

	Most Cordially,
	Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Central Asian Republics
From: codish@chen.bgu.ac.il (Shlomi Codish )
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:14:29 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

I hope someone can help me with this...

I am looking for a source on various aspects of life (economics, politics,
culture etc.) if the former Soviet Central Asian republics.

I prefer a source (sources?) on the Internet but a dial in source is also
very useful to me.

Please write to me via e-mail as I do not normally follow this group.

Thanks!

Shlomi Codish
codish@chen.bgu.ac.il


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: How to map russian character set to a transliterated one ?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:04:02 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14n by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <61934@mimsy.umd.edu> vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.150241.28457@watson.ibm.com>
oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone have a complete mapping of the character set used in the above
>>article to the transliterated one (used in this group) ?
>
>I have one. Look, how nice it converts the above stuff to beautiful s.c.s
>coding. It was run as "rtol c"
> ....

Bol'shoye spasibo, Vadim. I plugged your code in my news reader and it
works like a champ. What set are you using when you post to the relcom.*
groups ? KOI or ascii ?

Oleg V
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Groby"
From: vic@vms.huji.ac.il (Victor Halperin)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:11 IDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov6.192019.17180@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes...
>In article <5NOV199220240903@vms.huji.ac.il> vic@vms.huji.ac.il (VICTOR HALPERIN) writes:
>
>>Not bad. I got something of similar difficulty at the same exam.
>>Regarding other students of my year I guess there did study some ten
>>of them (out of 475) who could possibly solve it in 15 minutes.
>
>>Victor Halperin, a former mech-mat student.
>
>Is the legend that Kolmogorov was sitting through the whole exam true?
>
>Or was it another Galperin? I guess the true story is interesting from
>the historical point of view in any case.

There isn't much interesting. There indeed were rumors connecting
Kolmogorov in different ways to the fact I passed the exam. All of them
have nothing behind them, at least I don't know anything, didn't
contact with Kolmogorov and according to what I know about him it is
very unlikely he would do anything.

The reason probably was that the decan (sp?) of that time was more
concerned about his reputation as a mathematician, since he did
(and does now) scientific work as well -- and on the other hand
I was an only contender who participated in the international math
olympiade as a member of soviet team. But two years later it wouldn't
help me any more with the new decan...

>Misha.

Vitya.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone! (was Re: A blasphemy...
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:02:40 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1d9kp1INNt71@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <92309.160618VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>>differ, so why so many people have the same test on this stuff? As to me,
>>I never find Vysotsky to be interesting in his texts, 

>I know one person, who supposed to be specialist in poetic texts and who
>values Vysotsky rather high. He does not seem to change his mind for last
>10 years or so. Guess his name?

Let me guess. Er.. uhm... Voznesensky? Uhm... er...
Rozhdestvenskii? Er... uhm... Bulat Okudzhava?
Uhm... er... you?

Guess what? You are all govnyuki!
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: What are talking about? (was Re: Fylologi fleim)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <97190@netnews.upenn.edu> burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn) writes:
>Here is your typical example of a deep intellectual discussion
>in the soc.vulture.soviet.                                                 
>                                                                          
>Need I say anything else?                                                   

No, neither you need to say whatever you already said.

Yury
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Neverushchim v anti-semitizm, staryi anekdot.
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:26:58 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

Umiraet staryi gruzin i govorit svoim detiam:
"Deti, beregite evreev, a to ikh pereb'ut,
 za nas primutsia..."
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More blasphemy /Re: A blasphemy /Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:25:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi everybody again! Some fresh invectives and mad screams of rage...


In article <1992Nov4.220240.17111@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:


>It's the matter of taste, my dear. For me, they are made
>from the same piece of whatever. For you, Beatles are (I suppose)
>better. For Nikolo-Uryupinsk's Hemorroidage Center Chairman -
>Pesnyary. Both of you have a right to have your own opinion.
>Flames on the matter of taste are stupid. Just those
>are Peter Vorobioff and Sergei Shimkevich flames. I tolerate
>what Timur (or other Vysotsky's fan) wrote, even if I despise
>the singer. I would be glad if Peter and Sergei could
>understood that the taste is a personall matter and
^^^^^^^^^^^^                    ^^^^^^^^^
As Naum Korzhavin said,

	I speak English very good,
        But nobody understood.
___________________^^^^^^^^^^    
    
>even if all scs worship Vysotsky, Timur and me have
>a right on our own opinion. Anyway, I rather
>like Vorobioff's style.

Thahx 4 this. Still it seems 2 me that you may be not
completely correct in the matter of discussing tastes.
U know, there is one thing that can be measured objectively,
no matter what your tastes are. I sincerely hate, 4 instance,
Leo Tolstoy, though I have to admit that his name means something
to Russian literature. Hate Vysotsky or not, two generations have
grown up on his songs. And he dared challenge the authorities
and speak the truth in the sixties and in the seventies. Vysotsky
was an epoch in the Russian culture. Rosenbaum is not and never
will be. Some people still can say that a living dog is better than
a dead lion - well, that's really a matter of taste.

And, BTW, among the professional authors-composers only
Vysotsky, Okudjava and few other guys are respected, and
a rosenbaum is a swear-word. Probably some of U guys'n'girls
on the net remember the famous interview with Okudjava
in "Literaturnaya gazeta" when, asked about the poetic
contribution of Rosenbaum into the "avtorskaya pesnya"
genre, he answered with an answer: "Whose contribution?"

Generally speaking, Vysotsky is for true men, Rosenbaum
is for wimps. Make your choice - nobody forces U 2 listen the
music U don't like, and let everybody listen what he deserves.


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moskovskie zametki
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:49:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Nov6.204906.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1df4ohINN4lq@FERMAT.MATH.YALE.EDU>, kleinbock-dmitry@math.yale.edu
 (Dmitry Kleinbock) writes:
> 
> 
>    The following text is a part of a private letter, which, I think, 
> will complement nicely margaret@<Patricia>'s Moscow reports. It was
> written not more than two weeks ago, and represents only a personal
> opinion (and not mine; all comments/complaints/compliments, if any,
> would be forwarded to the author). Sorry for writing in Russian, but I
> didn't want to distort the author's intonations by translation.
> 
>                   < ... the letter deleted ... >

  P.S. To vadim@ohio, if you're still around: the guy who wrote this is
> a citizen and permanent resident of Russia, who even has never been
> outside xSU, so comments like ``Da tebe li razevat' svoi rot'' would
> be inappropriate.
> 
> P.P.S. To Patricia: this posting doesn't mean that I, as some of scs
> readers, dislike the texts you write. Keep posting, it was interesting
> to find out how life in Moscow can be seen from a point of view of a
> good-hearted, though a bit self-absorbed, American woman. Would be
> happy if this letter could help you to widen your outlook. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> -- 
>       /|  |\  /|\
>      / | /| \/ |_\                 kleinboc@pascal.math.yale.edu
>     /_ |/ |    |  \
>    `   '

   Dmitry, thank you for the post FOA, and secondly why do you think the 
   letter contradicts to Patricia's impression? I found them pretty much
   coherent. 
   
   As for ex-"bolsheviks" gaining money and property - it is unaviodable
   price of bloodless transitions. Ruling elite can't be replaced overnight
   peacefully. More important thing wether the alternative ways to money and 
   power really exist for other social groups or not. Anyway, the sooner the
   "state" or nobody's property will be "privatized" by anyone, the better.
   Real owner will play the game according to the market rules, even he/shi
   was Party Secretary for economics. Otherwise the property will be lost
   very soon. 
   
   I think your friend is perfectly correct about the new laws - they will be
   adopted only when gossector's (state owned industry) lobby will be out-
   numbered by privet owners, not ealier. Somehow he preserved the ability to
   recognise the positive tendences despite to the everyday hardship. Good
   luck!
 
   Serega, AK
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 20:20:22 CST
From: ---  BORYS  --- <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ukraine,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Western press on Ukr Religion


   I've just read the latest issue of the Economist (Nov7-13)
and in it was an  article about the struggle between the different
Ukrainian bishops over control on the faithful.  In particular, the
article mentioned the Patriarch Mstyslav, Metropolitan Filaret and
Metropolitan Volodymyr.

   Has any one else seen other reviews by the Western media on the
situation of the churches in Ukraine? And please if you still can
remember where you saw it please mention it.
From: vlg2@cseg13.uark.edu (GRABOVSKI VADIM LEO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Communications
Summary: Invitation to communicate
Keywords: Russian
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cseg13.1992Nov7.015625.2715
Organization: University of Arkansas


Hello
     to anybody speaking Russian who want to communicate and discuss any problem that could be of interest to the native Russian speaker.
     Possible items to be discussed:
      a/ Problems of adjustment to the life abroad
      b/ How to make the best deal on buying...
      c/ Visa and immigration problems
      d/ How to get an assistantship at the American university?
      e/ Current political situation in Russia and former USSR republics
      f/ Help!
      g/ I can help!
      h/ I want to have a penfriend
      i/ What place in the USA is the best to live?
      j/ Employment in USA
      k/ Rumours
      l/ Donosy i kleveta na tovarishey
      m/ Anecdotes
      n/ etc

     Those who would like to communicate with me send E-mail to:
     
      vlg2@engr.uark.edu

      Vadim Grabovski, Computer Science Engineering, University of Arkansas
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: S chego nachinaetsya rodina?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:11:41 GMT
Followup-To: 75th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

S CHEGO NACHINAETSYA RODINA
	(otkhodnyak)
			by Arkady Kolodezh

S chego nachinaetsya rodina?
S togo, chto nam vyzov prishel
I s etoy dorozhki protoptanoy,
Kotoroy v OVIR ty poshel.
A mozhet, ona nachinaetsya
S tekh spravok, chto nuzhno sobrat'
I s etoy ankety zapolnennoy,
I s foto chetyre na pyat'.

S chego nachinaetsya rodina?
S bileta na Malevskiy reys,
I dlinnaya ochered' v konsul'stvo,
V kotoruyu nuzhno zalezt'.
A mozhet, ona nachinaetsya
So shtampa na vize tvoey,
S bol'shikh ili malen'kix yashchichkov,
S nabora nenuzhnykh veshchey.

S chego nachinaetsya rodina?
So shmona v tvoem bagazhe,
S togo, chto nas vsekh obyazatel'no
Ostavit' khotyat v neglizhe.
A mozhet, ona nachinaetsya
S korotkogo slova "Sokhnut"
I s russkoy proslavlennoy materi,
K kotoroy nas vsekh tam poshlyut.

S chego nachinaetsya rodina?


********************************
Posted with author's permission.
********************************
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:26:37 -0500
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <Bx9L81.DIL@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>    By 1917, the country had been mismanaged so badly that the
>    population revolted and, as a result, the ruling elite was 
>    thrown out of power.  After the Civil War, and until WWII
>    began, the country was ruled by ethnic minorities - the Jews,
>    Georgians, Latvians, etc - and it was during that period of
>    time that the state became considerably less chauvinistic, 
>    and anti-semitism was all but gone.

Gone? Dozens of millions of Russians gone by efforts of that less
chauvinistic state. It is not entrance exams. It was genocide. 
Or wasn't it chukcha Trotskiy who invented the "red terror"?

Now do everybody understand WHAT racism is and WHO racist is?

How THIS moron have a nerve to throw shit to Russia?!!

>    The Russians returned to power after WWII, and brought with 
>    them the traditional great-russian chauvinism, extreme racial
>    and ethnic intolerance and, yes, anti-semitism.

I'm still amazed by patience by people who even do not hate Jews,
Georgians and Latvians after what the first (and i hope the last)
non-Russian government did. Fortunately ethnical hatred and
egotism aren't even remotely typical for Russian.
    
>    By 1991, the country had been mismanaged so badly that the
>    population revolted...

And fortunately there is now a chance that all bigots finally leave
Russia forever. Don't lull yourselves with a "how those stupid
Russians will live witihout us" -- Germany somehow managed, didn't it?

Now, a quiz about opressed under-educated Jews:

- how come that i have yet to see a Jew sweeping in Metro
  or working in a shop for bread?

- how come that 20% of Soviet administrative staff were Jews?
  (source - Izvestiya '89 (this figure was also reported by
  Ogonyok and later confirmed by Gorbachyov in interview)).

- how come that a country which keeps illegally occupied territories
  and whose citizenship laws discriminate people by ethnicity (well,
  you can get a citizenship by undergoing a barbaric surgery) has
  nuclear arms and enjoy support of American taxpayers?

When i hear people like Alex Goykman i feel like joining Pamyat'.

--vadim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Another one make me laugh, and another one...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:14:17 GMT

Recently Medical Board of Jewish Doctors came out with the statement:
"A Jewish joke a day will keep a goim doctor away". To make sure that
all of you keep healthy, I am posting another joke:

Joke:
A Jewish restaurant.
"Hey, there! Mr. Waiter! What's with this chicken soup?"
"What do you mean what's with the chicken soup?"
"It tastes funny."
"So....laugh!"

---Garik. 

ps. I tried to make up a joke of my own:

MZ: MV, you know nothing and I have more musculs than you do.
MV: MZ, you are an asshole.
MZ: MV, you know nothing and I have more musculs than you do.
MV: I can always grow more musculs.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9682 soc.history:9240 soc.culture.jewish:19371
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: State Antisemitism in Russia (was re: reply to S. Borodin)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:00:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov5.183057.2272@math.ucla.edu> shteingd@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (Semion D. Shteingold) writes:
>about Nazi persecutions of Jews. The soviets added a footnote: "Now Jews are
>doing the same with Arabs". Note: the book is for children.

Was it written "Primechjanie prevodchika" or "Primechanie redakcii"?
Otherwise it sound more like leftist American than that official
Soviet.

Yury.
From: krainev@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Same joke, in Russian.
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:30:36 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services



        Dva evreya sidyat na beregu reki i p'yut VODKU.
        Po otkritii ocherednoj butilki vilazit DZHIN, ves' v dimu.

        - Kakoe vashe samoe sil'noe zhelanie, rebyata?

        - Sdelaj nas russkimi.

        - Khorosho, pereplivite reku, i budete russkimi.

        Pervij evrej pereplil reku i vishel na drugom beregu. Ego

        - Abram, kak ti sebya tam chuvsvuesh?

        - CHEGO TI TAM ORESH', EVREJSKAYA MORDA?!

        tovarish krichit: