HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:29:08 GMT


|> > Then there's the brute force solution to ATM rip-offs as reported once
|> > around  here. 
|> > 1) Steal a front end loader.
|> > 2) Dig the ATM out of the wall.
|> > 3) Load said ATM onto a stolen truck.
|> > 4) Run away.
|> > 5) Have at the ATM with the cutting torch (or similar) at your leisure.

|> Step 4 is very important.

As is the unlisted Warning #1, which is "Don't bury the empty machine in your
back yard," which is what the thieves in question did, which was one of the
big reasons they got caught. In general, the whole affair seemed like a brief
burst of brilliance in two otherwise idiotic idiots. (Some other evidence that
snagged them was the ruined suspension of the one guy's pickup truck (it was
his; it wasn't stolen); apparently, they dumped the ATM out of the front end
loader into the back of the truck, thereby pretzeling the truck's springs.
Heavy things, those ATMs.

d



_____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.
From: v462etnn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: College Coed Murder UL
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <100834@bu.edu>, uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes...
>In article <96425@netnews.upenn.edu> ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham) writes:
> 
>>mentioned.  To boot, any person opening the door and letting in enough 
>>light to see if their room mate was sleeping would certainly see that something
>>was amiss.
> 
>>(Maybe.  It's possible I suppose, but come on, a killing violent
>>enough to have blood-written messages would probably cause a lot of commotion,
>>and DEFINATELY make a mess.)  So don't worry.  It's not real.
>I think the idea was the the act was committed in the 10-20 minutes the 
>roomate was gone at first... then the perp was hiding in the shadows
>when the roomate came back.. just waiting for the light switch to go on..
> 
>Obviously it's a UL but it is a little more crediable than all that...
> 
>uni

Jan Harold Brunvand (patron saint of AFU) deals w/ this in
_Curses, Broiled Again_.  Read and be enlighted.

David
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Toilet paper: over or under?
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:10:33 GMT

In article <BxLEtK.70J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:

>... is the loose end supposed to go over the top or come from under the roll?

Well, Mikek ---

If you're like me and purchase one of those designer-type (yuppie) 
rolls with pictures of hundred-dollar-bills or dirty jokes printed
on them, you'll find it easier to read it you put it

Over The Top.

You're welcome.

Ed "not affiliated with any paper products company" Leihy
From: Terry.Smith@f870.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Smith)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time--Why?
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 15:13:55

 
 >Maybe so, but I've always heard that farmers are the ones who are
 >traditionally opposed to DST because "the animals don't know how to
 >set their clocks ahead".  Go figger.
	Ok, maybe off-topic, But I experienced DST in England, then was
in Aotearoa [NZ] when it was introduced there. The farmers gripe hinged
on the fact that the dairy companies changed their clocks, so sent the
tankers out an hour earlier. Cows is creatures of 'abit m'dear, an they
dint like loike it. Trying to hustle 250 Freisans along in spring not
only disrupts milk let-down and yeild, but can slightly jaundice one's
view of gentle bovine tranqility 
Terry


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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Subject: Re: Frozen Waste
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:14:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.144913.14868@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple) writes:
> 
> Chicago Tribune, 11/7/92, p.16
> 
> SEATTLE (Reuters) - A stinking basketball-sized chunk of frozen waste that
> 	smashed through the roof of a suburban Seattle home came from a
> 	United Airlines DC-10 flying overhead [...]
> 	The FAA said such incidents occur occasionally...
> 	Leroy and Gerri Cinnamon were watching a football game on television 
> 	in their living room when the block of bluish ice smashed through
> 	their roof and ceiling and shattered on the floor.
> 	The Cinnamons summoned firefighters and a hazardous materials
> 	response team [note to PvdL: idea for new reality-based TV show?]
> 	to their home.

This was all over the local news, of course.  The Cinnamons were apparently
scared to death for a couple of hours because the firefighters initially
concluded that the (frozen) chunk was a radioactive meteorite!

The best part, though, involved the family cat.  It was sitting on
Grandpa's lap instead of its usual chair (regrettably, since that chair
was ground zero for the frosty feces).  When the crap blasted through
the ceiling, kitty went berserk, flew across the room, and plowed through
the screen door.  The news had a great shot of the tattered exit hole!
The cat didn't seem much worse for the wear; too bad it wasn't one of
those cheese-grater-like doors instead.

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: Trilateral commission
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 10:08:36 GMT

In article <1dg42dINNjji@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
><begin repost>
>
>The Following material is excerpted from Lyndon LaRouche's forward
>to the EIR Special Report, The Trilaterial Conspiracy Against the U.S.
>Constitution: Fact or Fiction, published September 30, 1985 by Executive
>Intelligence Review (the LaRouche affiliated news service).

Lyndon LaRouche?  He did almost as well as Andre Marrou in the presidential
election, didn't he?  But you don't hear about him any more since they
stuck him in the same prison cell as Jim Bakker.  

Ted "now, if they only stuck him in the same prison cell as Jim Baker" Frank
-- 
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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:04:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <Nov.6.23.24.55.1992.28817@math.rutgers.edu>, cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:
> I've heard a theory, espoused mostly by right-wing types, that the
> Soviets (back when there was such country) were actively engaged in
> propaganda to persuade third worlders that AIDS came from the
> laboratories of the CIA.  I've never seen any documentation of this
> particular theory, and the sources I refer to are probably less than
> credible. 

I'm fairly certain that this accusation is true.  And I'm not a ``right-wing
type''; in fact, I'd probably file a slander suit against anyone who
insulted me so grievously...  Anyway, I have seen news stories that
the U.S. State Dept complained to the USSR (in the Gorbachev era)
that the KGB hadn't stopped spreading the story.  Of course, that was
also the Reagan/Bush era, when right-wing types ruled around here,
so maybe the story isn't true...
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Dry Towel in the DRYER?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:45:28 GMT

diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:
: 
: >As another post pointed out this is exactly backwards, moist air is less dense
: >and tends to rise, not sink.
: 
: Then why does fog hang out in valleys and thick heavy rain clouds are so
: close to the earth.  I can't say exactly whether 20 degree dry air is
: heavier than 20 degree wet air.  But the evaporation of water off of the
: towel will cool the air down quite considerably, and I know that cool air is
: definitely more dense than warm air.

You won't find 20 degree wet air. There is no water vapor in air that cold,
although frozen water is often seen falling through it.

Moist air, at the same temperature as dry air, is less dense. If the fog
stays close to the earth, it is because it is cooler than the air above
it.

You are right that cool air, with the same relative humidity as the warm
air, is more dense.

Bill
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Not really Re: An ast
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>>>You can write back on this topic, but I will have my fingers in
>>>my ears and whistle loudly. :-)
>>
>>Obviously you have more faith in the gummint than I do...
>>

>Obviously you have more faith in all the lovely, righteous people out
>there committing bazillions of crimes with guns in the USA.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Another urban legend, like the thousands of children killed each year
with guns.  According to the FBI, it's less than *one* thousand.
    
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From: Terry.Smith@f870.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Smith)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Minutes of A.F.U. West [Terry|3|4]    (long)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 16:05:43

 RO> I'm publishing the minutes, as requested, for all to enjoy.
	Risky!!, how many qoted replies today? :-)
Terry



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
From: yenamand@tera.cs.umn.edu (Murthy yenamandra)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:25:31 GMT

pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson) writes:

>... What makes a little more sense would be a
>conspiracy on the part of the underclass to exterminate itself - to
>commit mass suicide.  That'd teach those rich bastards a lesson.

Thomas Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" has quite a bit to say about this.
The book is the mother of all conspiracy theories.

Murthy "And it's only 760 pages" Yenamandra

--
Murthy Yenamandra	|    "I close my eyes and all the world drops dead;
Dept of Comp Science 	|     I lift my lids and all is born again.
Univ of Minnesota	|     (I think I made you up inside my head.)"
yenamand@cs.umn.edu OR murthy@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (if the first one fails)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:48:44 GMT

flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
: 
: Well, partly right, and partly wrong, Haloween, or "Allhallows eve," was
: a Pagan (maybe Satanic, not real sure, because Pagan does not equal
: Satanic) holiday or festival, one which the Roman Catholic Curch could
: not "get rid of" or even control.  It was believed that on this night,

It was not satanic before the Christians made it so. Nor was it "All
Saint's Day Eve".

... deleted ...

: or honors the Saints of the Church.  Thus, Halloween was originally a
: Pagan festival which the Church wanted to control, to do this the Church
: created another holiday that was a Holy Day of Obligation......
: 
: Halloween came first, and All Saints day was a reaction to that Pagan
: festival...

Correct.
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From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:36:32 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Nov9074842@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles
L Isbell) writes:

         [Stupid, oft refuted government-caused-aids rumors]

>>Because the conspiracy theory detailed so far is impossible.  And,
>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>unlike a Lewis Carroll character, I don't make it a habit to believe
>>a certain number of impossible things before breakfast.
> 
> Why is it impossible (I'm unaware of the details of the claim, I
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> suppose)?  Do you take the view all such conspiracy claims are
> impossible?  COuld you think of any that are less than impossible?

   Which part of "detailed so far" didn't you understand?  From the last
time we went through this...

   (1) The government does not now have the technology needed to make the 
       conspiracy work.

   (2) The governement certianly didn't have the technology in the fifties,
       the putative timne frame for development.

No version of the conspiracy adresses the issue "how did the government know
what they had".  Either the government designed the virus (they can't) or 
they got it by accident (in which case they had no means of knowing what they
had).  Think about the size of trails needed to tell if a drug wortks right,
for God sake.

   The conspiracy theories about the origin of Aids as a govenment plot fail at
every turn BASED ON THE DETAILS OFFERED.  Was that clear enough?

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mind the Gap)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Trick or Treat Tampering
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:22:38 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <10NOV199209165543@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>ObUL: The packaging safeguards meant to (sort of) protect us against
> product tampering cost more dollars per death prevented than any
> consumer innovation in history.  Fact or folklore?

Folklore.  The Wall Street Journal published a list of some regulations,
including one that costs $50 million to business and saves 0.01 lives a
year.

There's no way of knowing how many lives are saved by packaging safeguards.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: u8802356@cs.uow.edu.au (Stephen Lance Rogan)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:24:45 GMT

fpaterra@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Frank Paterra - CTA) writes:

>In article <13363@bnr-rsc.UUCP> deand@bmerh404.BNR.CA (Dean Dillabough) writes:
>>In article <EBU.92Nov8210348@lk-hp-12.hut.fi>, ebu@snakemail.hut.fi
>>(Erik Bunn) writes:
>>|>In article <1992Nov8.103101.166@gems.vcu.edu> hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>>|>
>>|>>I was reading an article in an "anarchist" magazine (I can't remember which
>>|>>one) that was talking about ATM (teller machine) "jackpotting".
>>"Jackpotting"
>>|>...
>>|>
>>|>Don't know about this one, but the ATM coup someone allegedly made in
>>|>Italy was pretty good =). Pick an ATM that's sunk into the wall
>>|>...
>>
>> Then there's the brute force solution to ATM rip-offs as reported once around
>> here. 
>> 1) Steal a front end loader.
>> 2) Dig the ATM out of the wall.
>> 3) Load said ATM onto a stolen truck.
>> 4) Run away.
>> 5) Have at the ATM with the cutting torch (or similar) at your leisure.
>>
>> Its true. I saw it in the paper here around a year ago. 
>>
>>
>>                        Dean Dillabough (No shoes, no shirt, no sig)
>>
>>                     


>Step 4 is very important.

I have heard that the machines are sometimes fitted with motion detectors
hooked up to dye bombs to combat this sort of thing. Yes, you can rip
the things out of the wall, but by the time you get the money 
out it covered in dye and useless.

ObUL : Winston Churchill proposed this idea long ago, but everyone laughed
at him because they had never heard of ATMs.

Elephant.
From: 00kjfehn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: College Coed Murder UL
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:16:22 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I have read the FAQ and couldn't find it there, so I am posting what I 
consider to be a UL. I heard this story my freshman year of school and have 
always found it quite intreging.
It goes a little something like this...

	A girl and her roommate were sitting in their dorm room and one was 
going to take a nap.  The other decided to go to the library to study. 
The first one packed her school bag, put on her coat, turned out the light, 
and left the room (unlocked?).  She gets to the library to study and remembers 
that she forgot her calculator and goes back to get it.  When she returns to 
her room she does not turn the light so as not to wake up her snoozing
roommate.  She gets her calculator in the dark and leaves.
	After hours of studying, she returns to her room.  She finds to her
horror that her roommate has been horribly murdered (decapitated, etc.).
Scrawled on the mirror in her roommate's blood is something along the lines
of "Be happy you didn't turn the lights on."

When this story was told to me 4 years ago, it supposedly occured at 
Purdue University (2 hrs. away), and the moral of the story was to 
always lock your door.

Has anyone ever heard this story before?
Is there any fact to it?
Did it happen at Purdue? Or anywhere else?
Is this just a good Halloween/scare freshman story with no basis in fact?

Keith "scared the hell outta me" Fehn
00KJFEHN@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Ball State University
Number 6 in the Top Ten Playboy Party Schools?  What a joke.
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From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "PLEIDIOL WYF I'M GWLAD" on money
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:57:29 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Nov7.231538.2424@unipalm.co.uk>, ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps) writes:
>Yes, but what's the Latin for potatoe?
Solanume tuberosume.

-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
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From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:33:59 GMT

In article <BxK1FF.GC5@access.digex.com>, wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
> d)  Although the AIDS infectivity rate is high in the IV drug user and
> homosexual populations in the U.S. (and rising quickly in ALL other U.S.
> populations) the United States has less than 10% of the worldwide AIDS cases.

Given that the U.S. has about 5% of the world population, what's so
surprising about this? Given equal distribution, this is exactly what
you'd expect. "Less than 10%" could mean that the U.S. has twice the
world average number of cases per capita.

> e)  The amount of research money geared for AIDS is IN NO WAY adequate for
> the magnitude of the problem.  There have been only three diseases to fit
> the definition of "plague" in the modern (recorded history) era:  Plague
> itself (agent: Yersinia pestis), Smallpox, and AIDS.  Of the three, AIDS
> will undoubtably kill many more humans.

Perhaps in absolute numbers, but I think you might find that influenza
is a contender. In terms of percentages (last I heard, up to 10% of
population) AIDS is still not up to the level of the Black Death
(25%-33% in Europe). Has the total number of AIDS deaths in the U.S.
passed the _yearly_ heart disease total (~300K)?

AIDS is clearly a problem, but we are best served by accuracy rather
than denial or hysteria.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
From: chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: HIt by lightning - Yeah, sure
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:46:42 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

Here in the great state of Texas, the new state lottery is a big thing. 
Various news reports have mentioned that even with all the hype and promotion
of the lottery by the state, that the chances of winning the lottery are less
than the chances og being hit by lightning.

Since my house suffered a lightning strike in late July (and frying all the
electrical things in my house in the process), am I not due to win the lottery?
 (or maybe I should be lottery tickets first?)


                      Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Chuckster)
                 Not an official document of DOE, SSCL, URA or EG&G
             "I cut you three ways, man:  quick, deep and frequently"
                       Internet:  chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: forpost-WWII Japanese soldiers
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:44:30 GMT

In article <9NOV199213341059@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>
>An army does indeed travel on its stomach (a phrase coined, if I
>recall, by Napoleon when he introduced the concept of a logistics
>tail instead of "foraging," a euphemism for buying or stealing the
>crops and animals and stored food of the locals).  But an individual
>soldier doesn't necessarily need Army rations, especially if he isn't
>doing much traveling.

I thought Napoleon dispensed with the logistical tail of 18th C.
warfare, and had his armies more or less forage, thereby achieving
enormous mobility compared to, say, the Purssian armies of the time.
The Grand Army got into trouble in 1812 in part because it could not
forage in Russia, the Russians having burned everything.

This was, of course, before certain parts of the Little Corporal's
anatomy wound up in a jar....


And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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