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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:10:21 GMT

In article <6f5y8qc@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>Yeah, that sucks, too. Well, hopefully, the WB 3.0 viewer will be good enough 
>that everyone will start using it. TOO MUCH "standardization" (a la the MAC and
>its stupid programming rules...) is stifling, but it doesn't hurt to make things
>a LITTLE bit like everything else on the market.

IMO, it won't happen.  Application writers won't want to assume
people have 2.1+.  Also Multiview is much slower
than More for text files as it loads the entire file.

>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     

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  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:23:48 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

> Now if only someone will write a demo for a 66 MHz 486, running the ATI
> Graphics Ultra Pro at 800x600x24bit playing 32-channel digital music...
> of course, this is as likely as someone writing a demo for a 33 MHz 040
> Amiga running GVP's EGS with a SunRize 16-bit board.

Then it just *might* be about as good as the modern demos running on an 
A500 with 512 KB... :-)

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:08:46 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <dusek.716232572@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>
>>I don't think
>
>	He admits it, finally.
>

Oh, how witty, James.  Did it take all the intelligence you possess to learn
how to cut&paste?

>
>	You didn't bother to ask, did you. You ASSumed, and I bet you know
>how that phrase about assuming goes.
>

Moron.  They guy made a sweeping one-sentence generalization, "The Amiga
is the only computer that can lay graphics onto video tape."  Seems pretty
clear to me -- clearly BS.

>
>James
>
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:05:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>
>But can you partition the VGA RAM into different partitions that could say
>store some ten monochrome screens? Together with a 640x480x16?
>

Yes.

>
>Does
>the system software support it ?
>

No.

>
>Michael van Elst
>
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From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:43:24 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Sep13.212653.18656@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.204613.12309@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> aciceran@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (A. J. Ciceran) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep13.080200.23449@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu
>>(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>
>>>Reason for A600 ECS machine?  
>>>How about a $1000 A3000 by mid year?
>>>Sound salavatory?
>>
>>How about: annual C64 sales in the range of 700,000 units. A low-end,
>>affordable Amiga will benefit everyone in the long run. Something has to
>>pay for developing the other toys.
> 
> It seems that some people were expecting a $500 machine with an 030 and
> the AGA chipset.  As nice as it would be, I really doubt that C= or any
> company could produce such a thing.  If the Amiga were a hacked together
> piece of junk like the ST, it may have been easy to just throw in a few
> new chips like Atari did with the Falcon.  Fortunately this is not the
> case, but it does mean that developing a new Amiga is a little harder.

Please, explain why you feel that falcon only has some new chips "thrown
in". Actually, there is very little similarities, internally, on the ST
and Falcon. (Still, the Falcon runs ST software.) Don't let the case
deceive you.

No matter how you try to put it, the Falcon has 030, DSP, suberb sound,
reasonable graphics for $799. A4000 supposedly has better graphics and
slots (for those who need them) and 040, but the price is about $3000. It
is almost _four_ times as expensive than the Falcon. And it doesn't have
pro-sound or DSP (or SCSI for that matter).

I wouldn't wonder if Falcon 040 would be better (than the A4000) for a
cheaper price. (I suppose there WILL be Falcon 040 quite soon.) It will 
probably have better resolutions and a slotted case.

Still, I will be very happy with the Falcon, and I don't have to pay
much.

			Jouni Alkio
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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: I WAS RIGHT!!!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:36:42 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:

>>  Not the way I read it.  There might only be 250 who deal directly with
>>Commodore, but there are probably just as many who deal through Merisel and
>>the other distributors.

>The term used is DEALER, not anyone who buys, sells, looks at, wishes they
>had Amigas (then you might get more than 1000 :-).  
>Montgomery Ward ~= Dealer.  Ask any REAL Dealer, a CBM certified dealer.

  If someone is buying Amigas from a distributor and then reselling them, they
are a dealer.  Commodore certification is just snobbery based on a minimum
sales threshold, not on a willingness to sell Amigas.

  -jack-
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jeff Young is a Tweeker
Keywords: Tweeker,imbecile,atavism
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:59:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dvan@crash.cts.com (David Vandeven) writes:


>Somebody come clean...  Is jyoung an actual person, or perhaps the rantings
>of some freshman joke concieved while snorting Dran-O?

>The weirdness factor around here is definitely arisin'.

>David Vandeven-     ********************************************************
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> Yeah, you know C!  ********************************************************\

Just out of curiosity, I applied for an account at nyx.cs.du.edu (when
Jeff Young is calling from).  I lookup his info... yet, he didn't put anything
in... for hobby/interest, he put down: tennis, library.  As for career,
he put down something like programmer for DU (Denver University?) He 
left his address and other info out.   I really
don't know... but I dont think we should take him too seriously (not that
we have ever taken him seriously... :*)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:24:42 GMT

In article <8vyyc2@rpi.edu> danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>I have just one tiny problem with this buyout-stock rise-big $$$ scenario.
>
>CBM stock has been around $12.50 all its LIFE! Sure, new product announcements
>have been known to breathe some new life into the trading, but for the most 
>part the "normal" price for a share of CBM stock seems to be between $10 and 
>$15! 
>
>So, why will Big Things happen NOW as opposed to any other time since the A1000
>was introduced lo, so long ago?
>
>

 "CBM stock has been around $12.50 all its LIFE!"  No way!!!  I can remember
as far back as January 1991 when CBM stock was around $4.... it was up to
(correct me if I'm wrong) $16 by December 1991.... wish I bought some back in 
January 1991!


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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: SCSI Vs. IDE?
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 03:08:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65330@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep6.003545.4418@gbrmpa.gov.au>

In article <1992Sep6.003545.4418@gbrmpa.gov.au>
matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:

|  So what? We all know SCSI is faster, that's why I've got SCSI in my 486,
|  your statement is "typical" of a die-hard Amiga owner.

Great!  (re: acknowledgment of SCSI's speed)

My comment related to the rumors of IDE being "native" to the new Amigas.

As for the spec I quoted (and this is funny! :-), I wasn't quoting the
SCSI speed of an Amiga ,it was that of one of my "old" Sun-3/60 boxes;
I've gotten slightly better (1.9MBytes/S) from my SGI and HP-9000/7xx boxes
on the same 50MB and 100MB files.

``Die-hard Amiga owner''?  Not quite; the last 10 personal computers I've
bought have NOT been Amigas: I bought 2 Amigas in 1985, and two in 1986 (and
still have them (and they still function fine)).
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:14:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.054812.2679@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Fortunately, the rest of the US is NOT like Iowa.
>
>I could count more than that in Milwaukee.  One, in particular,
>plug-plug, is Safe Harbor.

   Safe Harbor is a MAIL ORDER COMPANY, not a dealership.  They may be 
subsidizing a storefront as a means to allow them to benefit from occasional
walk-in sales, but the very likely make the bulk of their profits from 
mail-order sales.  Thus, Safe Harbor is not a very good example to use.

>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
>(: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Amiga RAM
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:33:25 GMT

Hi there.

I have heard many times that the Amiga has both 'chip' ram and 'fast' ram,
and I get the impression that the FAST RAM is much better than the chip
ram, but somehow every Amiga HAS to have SOME CHIP RAM.  For reason I don't
know - that is why I am asking.

On my PC, for example, I jsut have SIMM banks you snap SIMMs into.  The
video card has its own memory. 

Thanks-
.

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:06:42 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep07.155525.18073@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.022556.14423@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
> > 	It was on display at the CBM show in Sydney. Basicaly what you have
> > is an accelarator replacing the A2000 68000 and a grafx card replacing the
> > chip set. So You are buying another computer minus the keayboard.
>
> and case and power supply and memory and hard and floppy disk interfaces and
> serial and parallel ports and so on... all you're buying is a new CPU.
>

Tower case costs $90 with 250 Watt power supply.  Big deal.  You are getting
an 030 or 040 with it's own interleaved burstable 40ns RAM, high speed SCSI
bus, etc.  The only thing the Amiga 2000 shell is used for is for floppy drives,
keyboard, power supply, slots, and serial/parallel ports.  Sounds like $300 worth
of stuff to me.  Oh yeah, they also copy the OS from ROM to their FAST RAM...


> That's considered an advantage when it's a 486 DX2 or an Overdrive chip, why
> are you belittling it here?

He isn't belittling it.  You are.  The EGS and 040 Combo IS a whole new computer...
Cost you $5K for the priviledge of owning one, too.


> --
> Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
>  `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
>   'U`

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From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Future Amiga & UNIX (A4000 - Early Impressions)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer, ECA008)
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

>>>>There are a few things Commodore should be doing immediately:

[some good things...]

>>>One other thing is to release an update of AmigaUX for the A4000.

A very, very good idea...

>>   If Commodore had put a 1280x960 non-interlaced monochrome or limited-color
>>mode into the AGA chipset, and had put SCSI on the motherboard, the A4000
>>would have made a damn nice low-end machine.  All Commodore would have had
>>to add to it to sell it as a UNIX workstation is a little more memory,
>>slightly bigger drive, monitor, and an EtherNET card.

Right, right...

>Well, none of this matters because Commodore doesn't really have a
>Unix. The Unix team is gone, and the Unix only works with a 68030.
>Not so simple after all.

Ok... the AmigaUNIX v2.03 (v2.1) does not run on a 040 or A4000 with a 020/030 
CPU Board (no IDE driver is included), this is a fact... but why do you think
that there is no AmigaUNIX anymore... or that the hole AmigaUNIX developerteam
is fired... I tought some people at C= makes enhancmends & bugfixes for AMIX!

Speak C=... what is going on with AmigaUNIX???

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:16:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>
>[Xlib and Xt]
>
>>First of all, it doesn't work "vice-versa".  Second, there's a reason for Xt;
>>sure, anything you can do in Xt you can do in Xlib, but it would take
>>a ridiculous amount of work.  Third, what's your point here?
>
>	Tell me, why doesn't it work vice-versa?  Your second
>question contradicts your first.  Xt is just (if you'll
>excuse that word) a bunch of routines written on top of
>Xlib.  Yes, it would be cumbersome to try to replicate
>many Xt functions in Xlib, so?
>

It doesn't work vice versa because Xlib has capabilities that Xt doesn't.
For example, Xt doesn't have any facilities for drawing graphics; it's
strictly a user interface system.  Therefore, while you can do all your
programming in Xlib, you can't do all of it in Xt.

>
>My point in stating that was to give an example of
>what I think is a normal software layer -- not this
>crippled DOS sitting on top of a competent OS thing.
>A software layer, IMO, uses its base libraries to make
>certain things easier to program through defining
>certain data types and functions used to access those
>data types.  OS/2 and DOS isn't at all like Xlib and
>Xt, DOS is not an extension of OS/2.  I hope you
>aren't going to insist that OS/2 is an extension of
>DOS either.
>

No, DOS on top of OS/2 is like a virtual toolkit sitting on top of Xt/Motif.
The virtual toolkit functions only as a translation layer.  It doesn't
extend or simplify the Xt/Motif API; it just translates it to a different
API.

>>
>>DOS has system calls, you know?  They are invoked by Real-Mode software
>>interrupts.  OS/2 has the ability to service those interrupts in its
>>Virtual86-Mode tasks.
>
>	I didn't know this -- that there was some widely accepted,
>specified API to DOS.  All the programming packages I've used
>all use different names.  Either that or assembly to play
>with interrupts.
>

The functions in run-time libraries are just bindings.  Of course DOS has
an API, in this case, an interrupt-based API.  How could it manage any
resources at all without an API?  Of course, DOS only manages a couple of
resources, and not too well at that, but that's another discussion.

>
>Andre Yew                        andrey@tybalt.caltech.edu (131.215.48.100)
>
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From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:51:52 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Sep7.155016.23326@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>
>	And where are all the IBM versions of Amiga original games?  The 
>problem with a lot of the Amiga users on this group is that they suffer
>from "the grass is greener" complex.  IBM games are generally flight sims
>and RPG games (Note: thats all that Gregory Greene, a confirmed Amiga->IBM
>convert, lists above.)  Amiga games are targets more towards action games
>and puzzle games, like lemmings.  I've seen a few games that were Amiga first
>(Not many) and they didn't look quite as good on IBM.  The point is, why 
>should we demand that companies port every IBM game to Amiga? Wouldn't it
>be better to ask for more Amiga-original games?  With the exception of SimCity
>and one or two other ports, I don't remember ever enjoying a ported game as
>much as some amiga originals, like Lemmings...


Well, the PC version of Lemmings looked just as good and was
hard-drive installable.  The SuperNintendo version looked better.

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Major Retailers carrying Amiga (was: Re: A4000 in EggHead)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:12:32 GMT

tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes
> It would be nice to have a major retailer carrying Amiga software and
> hardware

But major retailers have been carrying the Amiga in the past:  Sears has  
carried Amiga 500 machines before!  I don't know if they still do.

Or do you mean retailers that would promote the idea that there is a  
professional side to Commodore?

Actually, comments of this sort go back to when the 1000 was released.   
Some people were wondering about distribution channels, and people  
actually thought that distributing them through Toys'R'Us was a good idea.   
After a while these same people asked why Amiga machines weren't taken  
seriously by businesses and schools.
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