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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dalmations
Date: 31 DEC 92 08:15:35 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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In a previous article, michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com (Michael Quicquaro) wrote:
>My wife and I are thinking about getting a dalmation.  However, I have heard
>so many different negative stories about dalmations that I am confused and
>unsure if it is the right dog for us.  I was wondering if some people who have 
>dalmations would confirm or reject the follow things:
> 
>	1) ...they are very high strung, hyper dogs.
>	2) ...very clumsy. (not necessarily negative)
>	3) ...they are unintelligent and very difficult to train.
> 
>I have also heard that they are very lovable.  Whats the real story?
>Any info you can provide would be a great help and greatly appreciated.

	My co-worker breeds Dals and from him I've learned/observed the 
following...
	1- they are NOT clumsy; actually just the opposite IMHO.
	2- they are NOT dumb- possibly difficult to train- he says he's got
a stubborn one but I think it's personality of the dog.
	3- they ARE energetic.  I don't know that high strug or hyper is the
right description but  a five mile run is nothing for his male.  We ahve
what I thought was an energetic labrador who after an hour with the Dals 
looks ( and feels) like a lumbering elephant:-)
	4-They SHED all year round and black and white hairs.
	5-They may have some diet requirements.  If I've got this right
Dals are the only dog with uric acid in their urine(as do humans) and
might have kidney problems.  I thnk it is rare but my co-worker feeeds
his dals a homemade rice recipe gotton from some vet school doing reserarch on
Dals.
I hope I didn't focus on the negatives but we didn't get a Dalmation for 
some of the negative reasons listed above.  You may be able to handle exercise
requiremetns etc with less difficulty than us.  They are sweet dogs though
and not stupid!
BT
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <9212221340.AA11508@waverunner.dcrt.nih.gov>, young@alw.nih.gov 
writes:
>In article <1h5aucINNn2l@morrow.stanford.edu> you write:
>|> 	I can't stand this.  The show standard for labs calls for the dogs
>|> to be "tall, sleek, and leggy"?  ARE YOU KIDDING??????  Have you ever seen
>|> a lab ring?  Show labs tend to be shorter than field labs, stockier than
>|> field labs and the criticism I've heard of show labs is completely the
>|> opposite of "tall, sleek, and leggy."  I've only heard complaints from
>|> field folk that show labs tend to be short and fat.  
>
>Guilty as charged, I haven't seen many show rings at all and quite by design.
>Having seen both of these dogs, I just assumed that the shorter, stockier
>and uglier of the two was the working dog.  If the working dogs are the 
>better looking of the two, how in the world did the show lab come to be?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A matter of opinion (as, of course, is the breed ring :+)

>And how in the world did the sleeker dog come to be preferred as a cold
>water retriever over the stockier build.

I believe the rangier dog became popular because it was much faster,
and field trials are timed events. The dogs with AFC/FC in their
lines tend to be speed demons - tall, thin, hyper labs. Here in the
NE, the show dogs are mostly "English type", which are shorter and
stockier (the English standard calls for a height a full inch
shorter than the AKC). I like to think of the ideal lab as something
in between the two types (field and show).


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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pet Peeves
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:17:51 -0800
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys. at Law, San Mateo, CA
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I don't know if the title is that appropriate, but it seemed a cute
play on words for this group. :-)

Anyway, I just need to blow off some steam about something that
*really* got to me today:

We were at the dog park in our area [an off-lead fenced in park], and
this little bitty woman was there..she probably was about 5'4 or 5'5
and weighed about 105.  She had this very large [breed name omitted
because I think it's irrelevant...suffice to say, however, that it is
a large breed, and known to be dog aggressive if not properly
socialized] male.  Her dog jumped a male golden, and was beating the
stuffing out of this poor dog.  This woman just *stood there* and
*watched*..never moving in closer [she was about 25-30 feet
away]..never saying a thing, just watching...for at least a full
minute..then she *walked* up towards where her dog was still on top of
the other dog, and said, in a not very stern/alarming voice
"<dogname>, no!".  Of course, it did nothing.  She didn't even try to
stop it, just grabbed her dog's collar when he broke for a moment.
Her remonstrations to him weren't very stern, really, either.  The
moment she let him go, he was back on top of the other dog, of
course.  I finally went up to her, even though it wasn't my park, or
really my place, and told her quite sternly "Look, you either have to
roll that dog *now*, or get him out of this park".  She said "I know,
I'm going to get him out", and in the same manner as before, got him
by the collar when he came up for air, and walked him out of the park.

Now, I don't think she was happy about his fighting or anything, just
to make that clear..she did think it was bad..but she didn't *do
anything*.

It made me SO mad!!!  It seems to me to be *so* irresponsible to have
a male of a large breed, known to be aggressive, and to not be able to
handle him!...and to not be prepared to jump in and take the necessary
corrective action!...heck..*I* was about to jump in and roll him!..
but he was *huge* and I figured that as a total stranger to this dog
he might well turn on me.

No wonder these kind of breeds get a bad name!
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dogs and computers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:53:42 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
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In article <1992Dec22.180237.12560@cas.org> vjh21@cas.org (Vince Herried ext 2877) writes:
>Speaking of dogs and computers, how about some real interaction between
>a dog (any animal) and a computer.
>  ...

What I want to know is, how come no one has invented a joy-stick that's
ape proof.  I think there should be video games for captive apes.  I hate
to see them sitting around bored in zoos -- I wish someone would invent
joy-sticks that would let them play games, at least!
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Question for horse riders who get to bring their dogs along
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:56:54 GMT


I was wondering if any of you have found a good way to train your dog from 
atop the horse!  I would love to teach Abbie to get behind us when I need 
her to, but haven't the foggiest idea how I'm going to do that without a
long lead --- and I can't envision(sp?) using a long lead on the dog while
atop of the horse -- sounds dangerous to me!

-Chris R
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tea-totalling dog!
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Dec22.204708.104178@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, lm03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (LINDA E. MUCKEY) writes:
|> the way of my reading the paper - if I'm not rubbing her belly sufficiently,
|> she sticks her paw  in front of or rattles my newspaper until she gets the
|> attention.
|> 
|> Anybody else have a tea drinker for a dog?
|> 
|> Linda

No, but mine like a brew when they can get it.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Training at Dog Shows
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:07:04 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <18952@mindlink.bc.ca>
   Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
 
>I think a lot of us Canadians forget that there ARE differences between us
>and Americans sometimes! Specifically, I was SURE that there was no training
>of dogs allowed at obedience trials, but there were people blatantly training
>their dogs all over the place at the trail Dante and I attended earlier this
>
>I just wanted to know what you all think of this difference in rules between
>the two countries. The rest of the rules seem to be almost identical. What
>about other countries, is anyone familiar with the rules regarding training
>on show grounds? WHY is no training allowed at American shows? Does anyone
>strongly feel that it should be allowed?
 
I don't know about other events, but Hunting Tests and Field Trials
do not allow training on the grounds.  Failure to comply *could* get
a person sanctions from the AKC.
 
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: dog myths (was Tea-totalling dog!)
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:10:45 GMT

> It is a myth that dogs have less germs than humans.  (I learned that while
> working for a vet). 

I'm not so sure this is a myth.  The vet I worked for believed that dogs'
mouths were fairly sanitary.  It's true that their licking of problem spots
can cause more harm than good, but generally not because of increased
infection.  My other personal experience on this subject comes from working
in an (human) emergency room.  A human bite was considered massively more
dangerous than a dog bite.  Procedures for cleaning, antibiotics, and 
follow-up care differed drastically.  The emergency room was in a teaching
hospital, where doctors came to do a residency in emergency care, so I'm
only assuming that their decision to treat human bites from dog bites was
well founded.

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From: johnson@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Renee Johnson)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:53:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Tea-totalling dog!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

 I've got a siberian husky who LOVES tea!  Won't touch a drop of 
 coffee but goes nuts for tea.....glad to see other dogs enjoy a 
 cup or two!

 Sandie
 Sambuca Siberians

 Happy holidays all!
  
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Electric Nail Grinder
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:14:37 GMT

I've just ordered myself an electric nail grinder! Mail order from the U.S.A.
ends up costing me $30 less than if I were to buy it locally, even though
they add on a bunch of extra shipping charges for sending it across the
border.

Does anybody else out there use one? Do you like it? Is it really much better
for dogs who are wimpy about having their nails trimmed? I like to keep my
dog's nails as short as possible and I've heard that nail grinders can get
them shorter than regular trimmers.



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From: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: help needed with puller
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:42:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: golfcart.corp.sun.com

With regard to fear of choking the dog with a collar, I forgot to mention
that the prong collar only goes on with the leash already on it and in
my hand and comes off when we're done walking.  I *never* let my dog
run loose with the collar even for a few minutes.

Barbara
From: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Prong collar?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:54:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: golfcart.corp.sun.com

Gret,

A prong collar is one with the links having blunt prongs which protrude
inward so that they pinch when the collar is pulled.  They are usually
available from pet supply stores and I have seen them in R.C. Steele's
catalog.

I have a dog that sounds like Spense - I think he was studying for
his PhD in doggie scents.  I didn't have to use a prong collar on
him though, but I did have to teach him to come when called so that
when he is absorbed in something I can call him and he will now come.
He just didn't know what I wanted.

As for pulling you out into the street behind him, if a choke collar 
doesn't work a prong probably would.  Be sure to use it, or a choke 
collar correctly, though.  Also, with either one I don't leave the
collar on the dog unless it is attached to the leash and I have the leash
firmly in my hand.

Good luck,

Barbara

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: We met Tristan & Holly !
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:45:50 GMT

Hi all !

Tristan and "his person" Holly Kruse stopped by my house last night on her
way home for X-mas break !!  How wonderfully heartwarming it is to see 
a happy, healthy silly canine senior citizen like Tristan !!  In my
opinion,
the grey on his muzzle and feet only add character to this *lovely*
"Irishman".

He was quite curious as to what "those little grey blobs" were over in
the dining room but whenever one of them would growl or bark it seemed
to confuse the heck out of him !!  We brought one of the babies out for him

to "meet up close and personal" and he thought it was pretty darned neat
(even figured out that he could do the "traditional butt-sniff greeting"
with
something that must be at least 50 X smaller than him !!).

Marget, you're next...we *must* get together at a spring show !!

Happy Holidays everyone !!

Kathy
--------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs - Home of Oreo, Yonder, Double Stuff, Rowdy 
and 7 adorable little ACD monsters that are (thankfully) "just visiting"
!!!
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
From: njm@shelley.aa.ox.com (Nancy J. Medd)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog barks at a skylight
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:29:55 GMT
Organization: OTA Limited Partnership -- Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: world
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One of my Miniature Schnauzers has decided that the skylight in our new
bathroom is actually someone trying to break into the house.  The skylight
is installed on a slanted part of the ceiling, so when Josh looks up he
sees himself reflected in the glass.  Although he recognizes himself in 
the mirror, apparently this top view doesn't look familiar, so he barks.
And barks.  And the other dog (or whatever he thinks it is) doesn't go
away so he barks again.

What can I do to teach this silly dog that there's nothing up there?  As
far as I can tell, he recognizes people in the skylight, but not dogs
(he barks at his reflection, and at that of Tucker, my other dog).  The
reflections are only bright enough for him to see at night, so that's the 
only time he goes into "skylight attack mode".

Any ideas for how to explain this window to him?  Or should I just work on
training him not to bark in the bathroom?

Please email suggestions since I doubt many other people have dogs who freak
at the sight of a skylight.

Thanks!

	Nancy
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kong???
Date: 24 Dec 1992 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Robert Hooper (bhooper@iat.holonet.net) wrote:
: >Gaia's record for the destruction of the original, black kong is 1.5 days.
: By destruction, I mean into 3 sections.  More normal is for the top to
: be removed in 1-2 days and for the rest to follow in 1-2 weeks.  Our longest
: lasted in 2/3 form for about 3 months--that was the first.  I just take
: away parts as they are removed.  Nyla bones only last for a matter of hours.<

: Er... what kind of dog is Gaia?? I have three Labs and a Golden, and none
: of them has made a dent in months of chewing.

: Bob Hooper
: bhooper@holonet.net

Gaia is a German shepherd who has got the knack of kongs.  :-)
(I also know as Australian cattle dog who is almost as good at it.)
Another of Gaia's favorite pastimes is to skin tennis balls.  

Karen

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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:12:45 GMT

Whoops! just as I hit "send", I noticed that the mailer seemed to
attribute some of Chris's comments to Sandra Augustine.  Sandra's 
comments where deleted by me and only Chris's remarks remain, I was
responding to Chris.

Best,
Kayti
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From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 10:19 EST  

In article <23026@drutx.ATT.COM>, mlhb@drutx!att.com writes...
>Seeing as this is the season, Did anybody get some neat dog gifts for 
>yourself or your pals?
> 
>My team got chew hooves and new water buckets from my parents and sisters ;-)
>(They can't believe they did that!!! ;-) ;-) ;-)


My baby got a new Vermont chewman - he loved the old one to rattiness :-)


            " Learn from the mistakes of others
             you can never live long enough to
             make them all yourself"

                                *Carol*
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Will late castration affect my dog's behaviour?
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:37:16 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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We neutered our male schipperke at about 2.5 years.  It DID help a lot.

He was being extremely aggressive towards Sue, and had nipped both Sue
and my mother a time or two.  He also went totally berzerk whenever a
female "in heat" got anywhere near him.   He had a chronic balanitis as
well.

Since the operation, he is MUCH calmer and easier to get along with.  He
is a little more "snuggly" and affectionate.  He also gained quite a bit
of weight.

A LOT of how his behaviour changes will be from what you expect his
behaviour changes to be.
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier Stud Needed
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:43:54 GMT
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Julieann Fitchwell (julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com) wrote:
: My three year old female Boston will be coming into season sometime this
: Spring and I would like to breed her with a high quality stud. She is
: registered (AKC) and is pet quality. 

Why is your bitch pet quality?  It will make a difference to dog owners
who are responsible breeders as her pups will reflect the dog as well.  Is
she actually suitable to be bred?  

: I am of course interested in good confirmation and markings. Especially that
: the male have a full white collar, wide chest, and white on his front legs.
: Personality is also very important because most of the interest in this litter
: is for pets, not show dogs.

Why are you planning on breeding?  Are you prepared for the possible
complications of whelping?  Small breeds are often prone to problems.  Do
you know what you might be facing?  Have you researched genetic problems
that you should watch out for in both partners?  Are you prepared for the
possibility of a temperament change, maybe permanantly, in your bitch?
Are you prepared for the low, but not nonexsistant chance of losing your
friend in whelp?

: For those interested, this female weighs about 13 lbs, has a full white
: collar, and four white feet. She also has a screw tail and a great
: personality (IMHO). 

What kind of dogs are in her pedigree?  What are possible undesireable
traits could she be carrying?  If you breed you need to choose a dog for
traits that will blend well with the bitch, improving on any faults while
not introducing others.  What she looks like is only part of the story;
learning about the dogs in her pedigree tells more of it.

The above was not meant as a flame, only to point out some of the
realities of breeding.

<soapbox on>
AKC registered means ONLY that the dog's (alleged) pedegree is on file
with the American Kennel Club.  This means that the dog's sire, dam and
x-generations of its ancestors were registered with AKC.  It does NOT
denote that the dog is of any given quality or that it is suitable to be
bred, shown or anything else.  It does mean that the proper forms were
filled out and sent in on time with the proper payment.
<soapbox off>

Karen