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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: "new" wmgr (was Re: Unix system V question)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:18:50 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Nov16.203609.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>  The "old" wmgr
>I had went to the menu and you had to pick which process to go to.  This is a
>real pain to me esp. w/ "Unknown Process" because I get about 5 or 6 of these
>sometimes.  *I prefer* being able to "page" quickly through my windows.

This seems like a good time to go off on a tangent:  does anybody out
there know how to set the name in the window menu to something other
than "Unknown Process"?  I've been able to set up different entries in
my main Office menu that all make shells, but I can't get them to have
different names in the window menu (which is what I really want).
Any help would be appreciated (although paging quickly through the 
windows might be better...)
From: mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (The Amazing Immolating Man)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Modemcap entry needed
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:16:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

I am trying to use a Supra 2400 modem to set up a UUCP network with my
Convergent Miniframe.

Does anyone have a modemcap entry for the Supra, or at least for any
Hayes-compatible modem, that I can use?

Thanks much,
Josh Brandt

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From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: "new" wmgr (was Re: Unix system V question)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: gnosys.1992Nov17.185056.9882

In <1992Nov16.203609.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
	jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> ...he says that the only advantage
> of the 1.7 versoin is that it toggles IMMEDIATELY between windows...

Yes.  Well, so does the newer (1.8) version that comes standard with the
3.51 Foundation Set.  The differences between them appear to be that the
1.7 version uses Rsume and Shift-Rsume to toggle between windows, whereas
1.8 uses Shift-Suspd and Shift-Rsume, and that 1.8 has a memory leak, while
it has been reported that 1.7 does not (I have not personally confirmed
this claim, since I didn't like the use of Rsume to switch to the previous
window when I tried it a few nights ago.

> ...if 1.8 toggles immediately or if it goes to the wmgr menu.

Yup.  The switch is immediate.

> The "old" wmgr
> I had went to the menu and you had to pick which process to go to.

Hmmmm.  Y'know, now that I think about it, I think perhaps the immediate
switch feature may have been introduced with one of the fixdisks to 3.51.
It's a bit fuzzy for me, since I also used 3.50 (or was it an even earlier
version?) that I know required the use of Suspd, which produced a selec-
tion window.  However, there were a couple of hacks, one from THE STORE!,
and another from someone on the net (John Milton?) that let you scroll
through the windows with Ctrl-Shift, and some other key combination,
respectively, to achieve the same function with the older version kernel.

> This is a
> real pain to me esp. w/ "Unknown Process" because I get about 5 or 6 of these
> sometimes.  *I prefer* being able to "page" quickly through my windows.

Well, you can get the CAPSCTL+IN thing from THE STORE! archives at OSU
or UUNET or wherever if you're using a kernel older than 3.51, or you can
upgrade to 3.51m if you have a 3.51 kernel (I think the fixdisk is in the
OSU archives, maintained by David Brierley).

"Good luck" (to quote DoN :-)

Gary
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From: mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark D. Crimmins)
Subject: Re: hard disk woes
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:59:13 GMT


When you get random HDERRS, it may very well be connectors.  One
likely suspect you might not think of trying is the stiff molex-style
ribbon connector on the right had side of the machine, from the power
supply down to the motherboard.  clean the pins, and check for
suspicious looking solder joints on the bottom of the power-supply
board.  Good luck,
Mark
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: New WMGR
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:41:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: gnosys.1992Nov18.104105.14756

In <1992Nov17.002652.10608@blilly.UUCP> bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly) writes:

> The memory leak is exhibited as new windows are created and
> deleted (e.g. by windy -b).

> ...

> With wmgr.sl 1.8, the SZ and RSZ fields will increase as windows
> are created and destroyed (apparently memory is malloc'ed each
> time a window is created, but is not free'd when the window is
> destroyed)...

And then in a followup, Bruce writes:

| I may have spoken too soon...
|
|   1 S   root  8992     1  3  27 20 147  7: 13   5bf14  Nov 15   w3  1:16 wmgr

Yeah - I'm fairly sure I've seen the memory leak even when no new windows
are opened.  The only time I open a new window is when I use the DOS-73
coprocessor, which is not very often, and I still find wmgr consuming
ever more memory the longer it runs.  It seems more likely to me that the
malloc() is done in window switching, whether or not there's a problem
related to opening new windows.

Gary
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jeapeda@pb2esac.uucp (J. E. Apedaile)
Subject: 7300 monitor dead
Keywords: monitor C411
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:13:38 GMT


It seems that I took to long to replace capacitor C411.  Now that
I have replaced it with a mylar 5uF and all I get now is raster and retrace
lines.  Very faintly you can see a slight change in brightness where the
text should be.

Anyone have an idea what else might have self destructed?

Got a spare monitor to sell?

I guess its time to look at a 486 (sigh).

email jeapeda@PacBell.COM
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: help getting started...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:58:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <12@zebra.alphacdc.COM> vern@zebra.alphacdc.COM (Vernon C. Hoxie)
writes:
|  [...]
|  	Fixdisk 2 is the 3.51m and has fixes for several bugs in the
|  originial 3.51 release.  Fixdisk 1 was a loser, all the changes on it
|  have been superceded with Fixdisk 2.
|  [...]

Welll, I wouldn't call Fixdisk 1 a "loser."  At the time, it was a godsend.

I was scheduled to give a talk and was using the 3B1 for the presentation.
2 days before the presentation, I discovered a SERIOUS bug in the 3.51 OS
regarding BREAK handling on /dev/tty000 for incoming autobaud, called AT&T,
and they sent me the Fixdisk instantly (had it within 24 hours) and the
problem was fixed and the presentation went fine.

Of course, a year later, Fixdisk 2 became available, and FD 2 is the one to
be using TODAY.

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
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From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: Email change?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:02:30 GMT

Is it possible to change the default email program to the mailx
for OSU?  I tried copying mailx to mail and I got a program that would
run, but constantly changed PID's and kept running.  I just got lucky and
killed it with a guess.  It was rather strange.  I was just hoping to change
the mail program invoked by UA to mailx or possibly sendmail if I decide to
upgrade.  I just wanted to know if anyone else had already done this.
Also has anyone else out there had very much experience creating entries
for the windows in UA and getting them to run applications I have created
or a batchfile?

					Thanks,
					Chris

					pcg2@ra.msstate.edu
					chris%greer.uucp@sarc.msstate.edu

BTW:  ignore this signature file, it's real messed up!
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From: smith@acpy01.att.com (Bob Smith (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Need help with printer setup
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:21:23 GMT

I attached an HP ThinkJet printer to my 3b1's parallel port for the
first time (never had a printer attached before). I used the mgr menus
to assign the printer.

One problem is that the printing takes forever. One line is printed
and then 3 minutes later, another line is printed. I tried working on the
problem last evening without success. The command ' cat foo > /dev/lp'
just causes the working icon to stay on.

Thanks.

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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: setting up combo ports
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:50:27 GMT

In article <184346@pyramid.pyramid.com> emckiss@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Ewan McKissock) writes:
"I have a 3b1 and its got a memory/async expansion card installed in it, 
"problem is I do not have device entries for tty001 and tty002. Can
"anyone tell me what the major/minor numbers should be? Do I need
"anything else (drivers etc) to get it up and working?

yes, you need a driver.  i *think* there's one in the osu fixdisk...

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From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: Shadow Password File
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:33:43 GMT

Is there any way to use a shadow password file on the 3b1?
I am interested in fixing as many security holes in my system as 
possible.  I saw a couple in the faq, but if anyone knows of any more
I would like to know of them.  

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From: jwa@yog-sothoth.dcrt.nih.gov (James W. Adams)
Subject: Re: 68010 -> 68332 adapter?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:00:48 GMT

In article <murphyn.722106614@galena15> murphyn@rtsg.mot.com (Neal P. Murphy) writes:
>rflukes@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard F. Lukes) writes:
>
>...
>>experience with such an adapter?  Does Motorola provide an
>>application note describing a 68010->68020 adapter?  Does anyone
>
>The application note is:
>AN944/D: "MC68020 and MC68881 Platform Board For Evaluation In a
>16-Bit System"
>
>It describes a board that replaces a 68000 or 68010 CPU.
>
>According to the note, contact:
>Motorola Literature Distribution
>P.O. Box 20912
>Phoenix, AZ 85036
>
>or your local Motorola Semiconductors sales office.
>
>NPN

Thought 3b1'ers might be interested in this.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly)
Subject: Re: New WMGR
Organization: Bruce Lilly
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:02:21 GMT
Reply-To: lilb@sony.compuserve.com

In article <1992Nov17.002652.10608@blilly.UUCP> lilb@sony.compuserve.com wrote:
>  So far, I
>haven't seen any evidence of memory leak with 1.7:
>
>ps -elf | egrep "wmgr|RSZ"
>
>  F S    UID   PID  PPID  C PRI NI ADR SZ:RSZ   WCHAN   STIME  TTY  TIME COMD
>  1 S   root  8992     1  3  27 20 147  6: 12   5bf14 20:11:19  w3  0:46 wmgr

I may have spoken too soon...

  1 S   root  8992     1  3  27 20 147  7: 13   5bf14  Nov 15   w3  1:16 wmgr

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From: emckiss@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Ewan McKissock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: setting up combo ports
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: emckiss@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Ewan McKissock)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

I have a 3b1 and its got a memory/async expansion card installed in it, 
problem is I do not have device entries for tty001 and tty002. Can
anyone tell me what the major/minor numbers should be? Do I need
anything else (drivers etc) to get it up and working?

-emckiss@pyramid.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: spam@iastate.edu (mike begley)
Subject: How much memory do I have? ...and I need an OS update...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:38:54 GMT

I thought I had a 7300 with 1 meg of memory, but I was always confused
by the boot message:

Read mem: 524288
Avail mem: 299008

So, out of curiousity, I opened up my machine and found on the motherboard
an 8x9 bank of 64K chips (totalling 512 K) and in one of the slots below
the motherboard a board with an identical amount of memory.

So, what does the message I get on boot really  mean?  Is my machine unable
to find the extra 512K?

Also, could someone sell me an updated copy of the OS?  I have version 2.0
of the OS< and it seems that everything on OSU is compiled for version 3.X.
Does anyone who updated to version 3.51 have an earlier version they can
sell cheap (every purchace has to go through my wife) that I can use until
I can afford 3.51?  I just want to be able to get some software from OSU
running on this machine.

Thanks!

-m
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1,comp.dcom.modems
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Syncronous RS232 access to Worldblazer on 3B1?
Keywords: RS232 Worldblazer 3B1 unixpc att7300
Reply-To: query@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:35:02 GMT

When looking through my 3B1's Telephone Manager User's Guide,
I noticed that the active RS232 pins seem to include

Transmit clock  (15)
Receive clock   (17)
Clock out       (24)

as well as the usual pins 1-8 and 20.

This leads me to wonder if there's some way of connecting the 3B1
and Worldblazer in syncronous mode, but otherwise using it the same
as now.  (I'm not actually sure the device driver SUPPORTS syncronous
mode, nor how to use it) (The 3B1, for those unfamilar with it,
runs a varient of System V.2)

I have not looked at this in detail, and am not sure I'm going
to have the time to.

1. Can you use the 3B1's RS232 in syncronous mode?
2. Are there any significant advantages in doing so?
3. How would you go about it?

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Voice Power equivalent for SPARC platform
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.091311.7759@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jcd@vogon.att.com (Jack Dixon) writes:
"Does anyone out there know of a "Voice Power like" board for SPARC
"or other unix platforms, or is the 3b1 once again still ahead of its
"time?

there is one for pc clowns [oops, i mean 'clones'!].  the 3b1s' was
developed to support audix on the system 25 pbx, which the 3b1 was the
controller for.  a 386 has replaced the 3b1, but audix is still
available.
dunno any details...

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From: spam@iastate.edu (mike begley)
Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? ...and I need an OS update...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:10:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.115615.23808@cbnews.cb.att.com> adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>In article <BxzDD2.GIq@news.iastate.edu> spam@iastate.edu (mike begley) writes:
>"I thought I had a 7300 with 1 meg of memory, but I was always confused
>"by the boot message:
>"
>"Read mem: 524288
>"Avail mem: 299008
>"
>"So, out of curiousity, I opened up my machine and found on the motherboard
>"an 8x9 bank of 64K chips (totalling 512 K) and in one of the slots below
>"the motherboard a board with an identical amount of memory.
>"
>"So, what does the message I get on boot really  mean?  Is my machine unable
>"to find the extra 512K?
>
>you should:
>1.	remove and reseat the mem card, to clean its connector.

That did it...I feel pretty stupid about not trying that first...!  %-)
yea!  I have a 1-meg machine now!

>btw, with a pile of 256K chips [and sockets] and a little time [;^>],
>you can upgrade your machine to 4M ram.

Yeah, I have a 1 meg tube of chips now; I'm still trying to collect 3 more
meg.

btw...how many serial ports can this machine support?

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From: electro@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Eric L Patterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: kermit and onboard modem
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:41:00 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Does anyone know how to use the onboard modem with kermit on a 3b1?
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From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Subject: Re: New WMGR
Organization: Little to None
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:38:14 GMT

>wmgr.sl 1.7 differs from 1.8 in its use of the Suspend, Resume,
>Shift-Suspend and Shift-Resume keys:
>
>Key                1.7                          1.8
>Suspend        Window menu                Window menu
>Resume         switch to previous window  Window menu
>Shift-Suspend  Window menu                switch to previous window
>Shift-Resume   switch to next window      switch to next window
>
>After 4 years of training, it's difficult to retrain one's
>fingers :-(.  But not having to contend with the memory leak

I've seen several people complain about the workings of the Rsume/Suspd
keys not being to their liking for various flavors of the window manager.
It is easy enough to change the key translations -- here is what I use:
This file is executed from /etc/rc during a boot.  (I think kfeature and
keyfix are available from osu-cis.)
===============================================================================
#
# set up features of default 3.51m keyboard driver
#
/etc/kfeature capctrl meta	# fastrep saveub metermaid

#
# other keyboard mapping changes:
#
#keyfix scan_code norm shift ctrl flags (REPT=1 CAPLCK=2 NUMLCK=4 ILLK=-1)
#

# Rsume key -> reverse action of Rsume and SHIFT-Rsume
keyfix 0x1f 0xff0b 0xff0c 0xff0c 0

# Suspd key -> reverse action of Suspd and SHIFT-Suspd
keyfix 0x1e 0xff09 0xff0a 0xff0a 0

# escape key -> make control-escape == ESCAPE
#keyfix 0x1b 0x001b 0x007f 0x001b 1

# spacebar -> make control-space == ^@ (NULL)
#keyfix 0x20 0x0020 0x0020 0x0000 1

# RESET/BREAK -> make key == DELETE DELETE 0xff
keyfix 0x25 0x007f 0x007f 0x00ff 1

(etc)
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From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:10:18 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <DVC.92Nov10161459@eagle.ATT.COM> dvc@eagle.hr.att.com (David Van Cleef) writes:
>>>>>> On 10 Nov 92 20:56:35 GMT, tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik) said:
>
>Definitely not 4BSD, but 2BSD should be doable.


Dave - not unless you want to make it do PDP11 memory management <grin>.
Remember 64k memory segments.  Overlays.

Actually 4.1 BSD may be doable. or 3BSD.  Actually, look at early SunOS.

However 2.x will require a source license.  Start with Linux and you
may be better off...

PDP 11/74 my favorite RISC machine.

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From: jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (JOHN STOKES)
Subject: Re: "new" wmgr (was Re: Unix system V question)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:09 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov17.185056.9882@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

>Hmmmm.  Y'know, now that I think about it, I think perhaps the immediate
>switch feature may have been introduced with one of the fixdisks to 3.51.
>It's a bit fuzzy for me, since I also used 3.50 (or was it an even earlier
>version?) that I know required the use of Suspd, which produced a selec-
>tion window.  However, there were a couple of hacks, one from THE STORE!,
>and another from someone on the net (John Milton?) that let you scroll
>through the windows with Ctrl-Shift, and some other key combination,
>respectively, to achieve the same function with the older version kernel.

An interestings thing.  It seems the wmgr at OSU in the store is a hack 
similar to the caps-ctrl stuff.  the STOCK wmgr w/ 3.5 gives the exact 
same responce to what as the one from OUS.  interseting.......

>"Good luck" (
to quote DoN :-)

>Gary
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p.s. My regular newsreader is down and I can't recieve mail at this one (
consequently the lack of a retrun address send mail to:
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-Thnaks
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