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From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:55:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <22956@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra
Mergen) says:
>
>back down her throat (it was slimy).  Instinct made me slap
>her back and luckily it came up to her lips where I could
>grab it.
>
>But, in the baby books, I read that you put the baby over
>you knees and push on their chest in between the ribs, to
>get the foreign object to come back up.
>
>Do you do this only when you cant get the object out by
>either fishing it out or by slapping their back?  My
>pediatrician also mentioned the pushing the chest method.
>I don't see how it could work.  Has anyone had to try it?
>
Our friend who is a Red Cross instructor recommended holding the baby
with her head lower (almost upside down) and giving a firm whack between
the shoulder blades.  We have had to use this twice on Douglas and it
worked both times.  I think the chest pushing is similar to the Heimlich
maneuver, and should work too.

It is scary when they choke and gag.  I was told that as long as the baby
is crying it is best to let them "work it out" themselves to avoid the
danger of  just pushing the piece of food, or whatever, further back in
their throat.

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: FAQs listing?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:54:50 GMT

In article <92226.47381.L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD) writes:
> 
> Could the holder of the FAQs listings, please send me a copy?  I'm due in
> March and would like to start collecting info before I lose net access by
> going on maternity leave (I know, I know....I'm starting a little early!)

Ditto! (But due in December.)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
 

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Northwestern University
From: cjk@lucid.com (Cameron Kemper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Preschools
Keywords: Preschool
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:36:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lucid, Inc.

Hi - I'm looking for a preschool in the Mountain View/Sunnyvale area?  
If anyone knows of any good ones, please let me know.  Thanks. Cam.
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 3 years old and colors
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:14:12 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org> writes:

>I do have color-blindness in my family, and have
>a 50% probability of being a carrier, so I am curious
>about how old a child usually needs to be before you
>can tell.

I have a friend with a mild case, who found out well into adulthood.
She was describing our company's (dark, but definitely) green building
as brown.

Karen Black
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:22:46 -0400 
From: "Dora J. Moscatello" <dm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Music for infants

A while ago, someone posted the titles and singers of some tapes of
lullabyes for infants.  Could you please repost that information?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.133613.8276@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:
>Anyhow, I think a lot of Doman's ideas and concepts are good, ... 
>And teaching them to read early before they 
>start school is a way to kind of 'schoolproof' them.  I'm pretty sold
>on that, if not all the rest.

While I have no problem with kids learning to read early, my own personal
experience does not lead me to believe that this "schoolproofs" kids.  I
learned to read at age 3, and started school at the normal time.  I was 
so different that the school system had *no* idea where I was coming from.
To the extent that I "failed" their "reading readiness test", and was
almost kept back in kindergarten because I wasn't ready for first grade.
My mom had to bring in a fairly complicated book and have me read it to
them before they grudgingly allowed me to stay with the class.  My first
three years of primary school I was miserable, and always close to failing.
How did this "schoolproofing" help me?

-- Misty

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From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Question about Encyclopedias
Organization: Representing myself here - not my company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:48:17 GMT

My wife and I are expecting our first child, and like a crazy, over concerned
father, I've already been on the search for the perfect school, the perfect
place to live to bring up children, the perfect car, the perfect car seat,
etc., and am coming to the point of wondering what the perfect encyclopedia
and educational materials might be.

Do any of you have suggestions on this (something that mommy and daddy could
read through from volume to volume to a very young child)?  Our thoughts are
that since children learn very quickly at a very early stage, we would like
to make sure that we provide our child with the best beginning.  Not that we
consider education to be *everything*, but we do consider it important and
want it to be fun and interesting from the start.

        Thanks,

	  Dan

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@amherst.edu
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:24:03 GMT

My second son AWATE HAYYET SEREQUEBERHAN (how's that for a name?!) was
born on May 7, 1992 at 7 lbs and 4 1/2 oz. and was 22 in long.  At just
over three months, he has almost doubled his weight and is doing very
well, except that he will wake up this a.m. and not find his mommy home.

I wanted to thank all the folks who helped me out with my pregnancy blues
and who answered my questions about being a big brother and being present
at the birth, etc.  Also this was my successful VBAC experience.  If
anyone is interested I will HAPPILY share the details.

Well I'm sorry to leave my baby for the morning (will be working
only part-time) but I'm happy to be back to misc.kids.

Who of you working moms have successfully pumped breast milk for thier
infants?  I only managed to pump 2 oz. this morning (I'm so glad I had
frozen some milk).

Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst.bitnet

Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Many people have mentioned diaphragms to me -- I didn't include them because
I have a difficult time putting them in *and* getting them out (plus the
spermicide irritates me!).  But diaphragms are a good alternative to pills
and permanent options.

Also, I haven't heard from anyone who was breastfeeding when they had the
IUD inserted.  Apparently the experience is less of a problem (cramping,
bleeding, etc.) when it's done in a breastfeeding mom instead of a non-mom.
(I don't know about moms who aren't breastfeeding, so if any of you out
there are non-breastfeeding moms with IUDs, I'd love to hear your story.)
 
Lastly, several folks have suggested Norplants, a low-dosage hormonal
insert (placed under the skin, usually on the arm).  Anyone with actual
experience using these?  Apparently the dose is low enough that it doesn't
affect the breast milk or infants that are breastfed while the mom has the
Norplant.  This is an option I'm seriously considering.

I've received so many replies I think the entire summary would be too long
for me to post here (it's almost a FAQ! -- no, I'm NOT starting another one!)
so I'll write a summary of the various suggestions rather than post the big
file I've got.
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: IUGR Update
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:50:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BtB3K1.Jxw
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

For those kind souls who have been following my saga, I went back to the
doctor today and she decided to induce me on Monday, following an 
amnio to ensure that the babies lungs are fully developed.  If the amnio
shows that the lungs are mature (and I will be 36 weeks, 5 days so it really
is on the line) then they will induce me right away.  

If the lungs aren't mature, then they will give me some sort of medication
(a steriod) that will make the lungs mature, and will admit me and start
the induction on Tuesday.  So, I guess this means that I am going to finally
get to meet these babies in the next few days.

Everything else is going ok, except my feet are so swollen I can barely stand,
my hands are numb with carpel-tunnel syndrome, my back aches all the time,
and I feel like Shamu's big sister.

I promise to post the complete birth story sometime in the next few weeks.
Until then, thanks so much for all the help and advice you gave during this
LONG pregnancy.  It has been just a life-saver, time and again.

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: They aren't young forever
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:15:47 EDT

YES!  We saw "Hook" just a few nights ago and were struck by the same
line.  We're still expecting, but the reason it struck us is because we
seem to have been adopted by a 14 year old girl we know from church.  She
*likes* to spend time with us, she *likes* going grocery shopping and
doing laundry with us...for some strange reason she thinks we're cool (and
Cheryl and I were definitely nerd kids when we were that age)...all this
at the age when many 14 year olds don't want any grownups around.

So we consider this an honor and try to spend a lot of time with her.
It's almost like she's one of our own.  Her mother also figures that we're
a good influence on her.

Yeah...we're going to take full advantage of her wanting us around.

Six months to go!


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tft8g@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Timothy F. Tolson)
Subject: Bedwetting and alarm pads.
Originator: tft8g@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Keywords: enuresis bedwetting alarm pads
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:41:55 GMT

  I was wondering if anyone in netland has any information/experiences or
references on bedwetting (enuresis)?

  Our 7.5 old son wets his bed 4-5 times a week.  It's no problem for
him so far, but we'd like to help him get over it before it is.  Our doctor
says he'll out grow it, it's not uncommon at his age, etc. Which we 
feel is correct, but our doctor also admits he hasn't seen much research
into enuresis either.  Changing sheets nearly every day isn't much fun
either.

  Has any one seen any research on it, and have references, books, etc.
they can share?

  Has anyone used the bedwetting alarm pads? or the ones the pad that
goes in your underwear and has the alarm on an armstrap?  Thoughts on
their use and whether you have one you no longer need and would sell?
Any place to buy these besides Sears?

  Thanks in advance for your help on this.

  You can respond to my e-mail address or to the net. 

Thanks,
       =======                       Tim F. Jost Tolson
          |  o                       (804) 924-0628
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          |  |  |  |                 Charlottesville, VA
From: peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dad takes 16month old Camping
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:26:05 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Aug10.231458.13899@intellistor.com> grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:
>In <2126@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:

[Bunch of stuff deleted]

>So, have any of you out there taken your young "toddler" camping?  How did
>it go?

>-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan -- 16 months)

I haven't taken Kiera camping yet, but I have pictures of me on a Sierra Club
trip at the age of 3 months.  The accompanying article claims I was the
youngest member ever, but that was a while ago so I'm sure my record's been
beat.  In other words, don't worry.  They'll have a great time and the scars
will fade eventually :-) .

JP

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From: alan@edstar.ucsb.edu (Alan Moses)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:58:41 GMT

In <1992Aug20.152026.6642@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>    1.  Do you ever worry that your kids won't have normal interactions
>	with other kids?

False assumption #1: home schooling means keeping your kids at
home all the time. Our kids spend a lot of time with other kids. 
There is a group of homeschoolers we get together with several
times a week; and this group provides interaction with a diverse
range of interests and abilities. There is also time for many trips
to libraries, museums, parks, and other activities. Frankly, one
of the problems I have with school is that I don't consider a
room of kids segregated by age and ability sitting in rows and
doing what they're told to be 'normal interaction with kids.'

>    2.  Do you worry that your kids might get a too narrow view of
>	things...such as only *your* view, without learning of other
>	points of view and how to deal with people who hold other
>	opinions? 

False assumption #2: the purpose of home schooling is
indoctrination. My goals for my children is to instill a
life-long love of learning, and to be sure they have the
skills to educate themselves. For me, part of learning is
learning what you don't know, and finding out about other
perspectives on what you think you do know. Simple recent
example: when my 7 year old became interested in the civil
war after Lincoln's birthday, she read several books from
our local library which held a decidedly 'Yankee'
interpretation of the causes and issues. From my years of
living in Texas, I felt oblidged to point out that there
are others who view the situation differently, and we were
actually able to find a book that gave the Southern
perspective as well as the Northern.  The lesson was that
books, dads, and other authorities are not necessarily
telling the whole story, and to understand something
requires finding out all the sides of an issue. I think
this approach addresses your concerns far better than
school, which tells the child what to study, what the right
questions are, and what the right answers are.

Although there may be home schoolers that match your (and Dena's)
assumptions, in my experience I've found them to be a small minority. 

-Alan

Alan Moses (alan@edstar.gse.ucsb.edu) 
Santa Barbara, California
From: rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Keywords: not always
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:09:09 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <20451@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
#
#I asked her about breastfeeding, and her response: "It's embarrassing,
#you know, to have a baby there".  We talked for a while, and although

It's amazing the people that think "it's embarrassing to have a baby
there" but never even give a second thought to it being embarrassing
of how you got the baby in the first place :-).

 -rhonda
  34 weeks and counting!!!

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From: stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 15 Aug 1992 15:41:44 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s22.ira.uka.de

Parts relevant to the Newsgroup are marked (*).

In article <1992Aug14.172751.24678@pony.Ingres.COM>, dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:
...
|> Well, I'd say these christians are there but not in the news.  Anyone want
|> to take a guess why???  If you want the authoritative source-book on
|> christianity for a true and honest view of what christianity is and is not,
|> go straight to the Bible. 

Agreed, that's a good start.  Another good idea is to get an encyclopaedia and
to look up "[children's (*)] crusade,", "inquisition," "index librorum 
prohibitorum," "Giordano Bruno," "Opus Dei," "witch," etc.

                              The Bible teaches that many things are sin and
|> teaches people to warn others, but it says nothing to indicate that people
|> are to go out and hate, kill, and bash one another.  Refusing to support
|> is not bashing.  Prefering is not bashing.  

Oops, what bibles do you have? Mine say (among others) that homosexuals,
witches (Ex 22:18 / Lev 20:13), and children (*) who disobey their parents
(Deut 21:18--21, Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9, Mt 15:4) have to be killed.

That's not exactly what I'd call "preferring" or "refusing to support."

|> If you want to find a real hypocrite, or a real biggot, or a real hateful
|> bashing person, don't go looking for them in the church!  Keep in mind that
|> the devil places his hypocrites inside the church to give the hypocrites
|> outside someone to point their fingers at!

Okay, that beats me. So the atrocities and immoralities of, say, Christians,
are the work of Satan. Priests abusing children (*), for example.

 							        Achim
_____________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
or eat fish.
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:59:49 GMT

Let me add one more comment to the heart-felt pleas to take a CPR
course.  Take one that covers infant and child CPR -- the techniques
and timing are different than for adults, and the so-called ``community
CPR'' course only covers adults.  To refer back to the article that
started this thread -- one of the things you learn is that blind
sweeping is appropriate for choking adults, but not for infants.

I first took CPR when my daughter was born.  I've never had to use my
training, either at home or work (as a consequence of the course, I
joined the medical aid squad at work), but there have been many times
when I've come close.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robin@netcom.com (Robin Rosenberg)
Subject: in search of part-time daycare
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 01:44:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

I'm trying to find part-time (as in 20 hours or less per week) daycare
for my 3.5 month old daughter. Does anyone have any recommendations
for places in the Mountain View/Los Altos/Sunnyvale area?

Thanks much.


-- 
Robin Rosenberg
robin@netcom.com     (formerly robin@borland.com)
"Growing roses makes every day seem like Valentine's Day."
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:09:44 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

> In article <1992Aug17.155211.15160@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.no
> >In article <Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) wri
> >>
> >>The problem with this theory is that you can't tell in advance which
> >>diaper, blanket, stuffed animal, or shoe is going to become
> >>indispensable, and which will sit forever on a high shelf.  My
> >>daughter must have had ten or eleven stuffed animals by the time she
> >                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>was six months old.  (Everybody LOVES to give babies stuffed animals,
> >
> >Goodness!  At last count, Laura had 45 stuffed animals (many were mine
> >in the bad old days).  She got 11 for her first Christmas alone!
> >I've given at least a dozen away to church rummage sales.  Brian has
> >only receive 5 so far (which I appreciate - Laura won't give up any of her
> >45!).  Oh, she also has 5 dolls.  Do they count?
> >
>
> It must be a 'girl' thing. Jeffrey was given several at the baby showers. Tha
> doesnt count, since no one knew he was a boy. Since he was born, I can think
> of only one stuffed animal he has received from anyone other then my mother
> and me. A good friends daughter, who is two days younger then Jeffrey
> receives several stuffed animals at every gift giving occasion. She also gets
> lots of clothes as gifts, which Jeffrey never gets, either.
>
> A co-worker has this butt-ugly 3 ft american eagle stuffed animal that he
> keeps threatening to give to Jeffrey. Does that count?
>
> I agree that I couldnt possibly get two of anything that Jeffrey seems to be
> making his lovey, since he seems very fickle about these things.
>
> Laura Floom

I remember my (ex-)MIL saying she wanted my daughter to have a collection
of stuffed animals. My thought was, Yeah, but are you going to find a
place in the apartment to keep them all? Fortunately, Grandma lost
interest in the collection before the zoo started.

My son got 3 good sized bears for his first Christmas. One was from me,
one from his other grandma, and one that his sister had decided she had
outgrown. (When I was pregnant with him, she made me promise not to pass
the bear on to him because it was hers.) He sleeps with them on his bed.
Mostly he has/wants a gazillion little cars and trucks.

Every year before Christmas, I have my daughter go through her massive
collection of toys to see what she can give away to Goodwill. It's always
her choice, except to see if it might be better to pass on to her little
brother. (He's only 2YO so he hasn't started this yet.)




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