HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Subject: Re: KORG M1 mailing list???? SOON!
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.200159.27943@leland.Stanford.EDU> kocherp@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Carl Kocher) writes:
|>There have been enough "me too's" to this request with no mention of
|>a mailing list that perhaps we should start one?
|>
|>-- Paul Kocher
|>kocherp@leland.stanford.edu
|>
|>(if one does exist, count this as another me2... ;-)
|>

	Well, I used to run a Korg Listserv, but it was taken down.
	I will try to get my sys admin to let me re-install it.

	So all you me2's, stay tuned...

       X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X
       |  |   |\       |>jon@chopin.udel.edu<|  "For my 2 cents,  |
       | \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<|  I'd pay a dollar" |
       X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:11:47 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>Really? If I posted that "people in news.groups feel ...

... then you'd be lying by implying that (1) that people in
news.groups form some sort of authority group, and (2) that we have
one feeling on the matter, which we obviously don't.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: K2000 extra outputs
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:35:46 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Is it possible to add more outputs to the normal K2000 (not rack)? Even
the OS version 1.00 has choices A, B, C and D in OUTPUT-group
parameters. (A and B are there already, perhaps C and D could be
installed afterwards?)

This would be very nice since I have a 16-channel mixer and I have only
5 instrument outputs (4 from K2000, 1 from Cheetah MS6).

				Jouni

BTW, is there any 8-channel mixer that would have as good quality as
Alesis 1622 (and would be almost half the price, of course)?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy)
Subject: Shopping for a synth...
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke departement Math-Info
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:00:19 GMT

I'd like to know the *best* place to shop for a synth in Montreal or
Toronto.  (ultimately this would be a place where I could also find used
synths)

I'm looking for Ensoniq, Korg, Yamaha, synths in the 1000-2000$
range and since I don't know the good and the bad stores, I tought I could
ask to my netters friends!  8-)

Thanx,

C.
-- 
Johnny take a dive with your sister in the rain        |
Let her talk about the things you can't explain        |
To touch is to heal, to hurt is to steal               |       U2
If you want to kiss the sky, better learn how to kneel | (Mysterious Ways)   
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: wang@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Wang)
Subject: Re: Mailorderprice for Tascam MM-1?
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:11:30 GMT

billy@irvine.com (* Bouncer **) writes:
: >and having a good price for the Tascam MM-1 19" mixer?
: >What's the price for this mixer in the U.S. anyway?
: 
: I think this mixer might be discontinued due to "new and improved" versions.
: The newest Tascam 19" rack-mount that I believe replaced the MM-1 is the
: M1016.
: [ detailed description deleted ]

Thanks! I don't think that the MM-1 is discontinued. Caruso Music still has
them and here in Austria they are availiable too. Unfortunately the price here
is about $1.900,-!!! (ATS 19.000,-) which seems ridiculous to me.
Any more comments??

: Manny's Music prices for the aformentioned mixers (US funds):
:    M1016 (16 channels, 23 lbs) . . . . . . $1119.00
:    M1024 (24 channels, 30 lbs) . . . . . . $1599.00
:     (I'm not sure what shipping would cost though)
: 
: -- Later, billyb

Thanks, 
Michael

-- 
Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |
E-MAIL: mza@zwerg.wang.co.at                       | "Proof your chances,
PHONE:  +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433                    |  and leave them or not."
FAX:    +43 (1) 894-17-14                          |     
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: count0@morris.catt.ncsu.edu (Karl Nordenstam)
Subject: FOR SALE:Roland U220
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:25:26 GMT

Got a Roland U-220 (approx. 1.5 years old) in prime condition for sale. Asking price: $500.

Please respond by e-mail at count0@catt.ncsu.edu


********************************************
Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler. --Albert Einsten.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: diamond@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.j.diamond)
Subject: Patch Editor/Lib for Windows Recommendation?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:33:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth

Can someone out there recommend a good Patch Editor/Librarian for
Windows?  One that knows something about the D10/20 would be nice,
but not absolutely necessary if I can but my own sysex codes in.

Thanx.

---
Robert Diamond       rob@infpro1.att.com
AT&T
Warren, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: jkammone@cs.joensuu.fi (Janne Kammonen)
Subject: Re: KORG M1 mailing list????
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:08:35 GMT

Hmmmmm........
I hope I'm not late, but anyway, ME TOO !
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: dan@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel Heath)
Subject: Re: Sampling option for 01/W
Followup-To: dan@catt.ncsu.edu
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143356.5799@cs.tcd.ie> phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond) writes:
>Where does this tie in with the 01/W ? I don't know yet, the article that I
>read about it did not mention the 01 which I find staggering since it is the
>main Korg flagship synth. My guess is that it works with the 01 or if it doesn't
>at the moment, then it will be upgraded to do so in the near future.
>I hope this puts the 01/W in perspective for you as regards it's capacity to
>expand it's sample base.
>
>Paul Hammond 
>
>(phammond@cs.tcd.ie)


 Hey,

   Where is this article about the SAM-1 you mentioned.  I'd like to
find out more about it.

                                       Thanks,
                                       Dan Heath
                                       dan@catt.ncsu.edu
From: pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: KORG 01/W Discussions
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:51:13 GMT
Organization: Divided Misprinted Dwarf-Nebulas Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.214947.7752@news.acns.nwu.edu> cmbecker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Canton Becker) writes:

>   1) Is it basically a nice 4-meg rom sample playback machine, or does KORG's
>   wave-manipulation thing actually amount to anything?  What is the
>   wave-manipulation thing?  I can't remember the buzzword...  (Is "buzz" word> a
>   double-entendre?  KEYBOARD magazine thinks so...  )


The buzz-word is 'Wave-shaping' and the basics behind it is this :

The sound created by the oscillator (a piano sound for instance) is modulated 
by another sound (might be a sinus-wave or something else) to produce a third
improved sound (yes you're right it's very similar to the ol' FM).
The thought behind this is to produce even more realistic sounds, but as far as
I've heard (haven't got a 01/W of my own) it doesn't work that good in prac-
tics.

Peder Hedlund               | "RRROOOAAARRR"
pehe@electrum.kth.se        | -VOI VOD- 
Royal Technical Highscool   |
Stockholm                   |
Sweden                      |
From: ma168faf@imath7.ucsd.edu (Matthew Guarnotta)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: **GOOD KEYBOARDS****
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:18:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41163
Organization: Univsersity of California, San Diego


I Need some advice about a good Keyboard....My price range is maximum $1000
and I definitely want MIDI capability. I also like to download pathches
if possible from my Mac....Any suggestions????? Does anybody know about
the Yamaha TX-88???? Anybody have one??? Are they good??? What's your
favorite keyboard and why

Matt

May the force be with you..........
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: af522@yfn.ysu.edu (Bill Scott)
Subject: Re: Questions about K2000 in its efx architecture
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:56:41 GMT


Q. 1/ and 2/ You can only have one effect at a time on the k2000 but
you can decide what can be routed through the effects and what will
not as well as sending dry outs for processing and then back through
the overall mix via tip-ring scheme.

Q. 3/ yes, effects can be edited and saved with a program patch.

Bill Scott (I'm not here)
Wscott@acs.wooster.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: q83892@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Gunnar Lorentzen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: 01-Wfd
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:05:33 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de

Are there already ftp-sites where I can find 01-Wfd patches ?

Gunnar

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: kint@rio.engr.washington.edu (Rick Kint)
Subject: Re: Mannheim Rocket??
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.151500.73@cbnews.cb.att.com>, sgk@cbnews.cb.att.com (stan.g.kobylanski) writes:

>	[what is a "Mannheim rocket"]

	A.k.a "rocket theme," it's a motive based on an ascending triad.
Found in Rococo and early Classical music, of which Mannheim was a major
center (Carl Stamitz, family, and associates).

	As someone else observed, these folks also went crazy over the
crescendo.   In Baroque music, dynamics were terraced--there were distinct 
levels rather than a continuous range.  

	Kind of like digital vs. analog...

-- 
Rick Kint				UNIX Geek, College of Engineering
kint@engr.washington.edu		University of Washington, Seattle
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: Mannheim Rocket??
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:34:21 GMT
Organization: IBM Research

In article <1992Nov20.151500.73@cbnews.cb.att.com>, sgk@cbnews.cb.att.com (stan.g.kobylanski) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> In the November 92 issue of Keyboard, Jim Aikin discussed music education       
|> and posed a small musical facts quiz in which he asked to define some musical
|> terms.  I didn't know all of them but I had heard most of them at       
|> one time or another except for "Mannheim rocket".  I've ask a few
|> knowledgeable musical friends and they have never heard of it either.  Because  
|> it was in a synthesizer oriented peridical, I thought perhaps someone who
|> reads this discussion might know and be able to define this term.
|> 

I don't know the precise definition, but I first heard the
term in connection with the opening theme in the first
movement of Beethoven's 1st trio for piano, violin, and cello
(Eb major if I remember correctly).

The upward moving arpeggio figure was denoted a "Mannheim rocket".
This figure forms a motif which is repeated in all the parts.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Using Atari 520 ST with harddisks
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Distribution: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:21:05 GMT

aclaasse@nyx.cs.du.edu (Arne Claassen) writes:


>f you run your MIDI on an Atari 520 ST, is it possible to share a 
>SCSI harddisk used with your keyboard. It seems that most keyboards use
>MS-DOS formatted disks.

Maybe you'd better post this question to comp.sys.atari.st or
comp.sys.atari.st.tech.  And reformulate your question as I absolutely
don't understand what you mean (or am I just being dumb...???). I've
never seen a _keyboard_ that uses a _disk_ ...

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth

I know that this might sound a bit offbeat for r.m.m.s, but has anyone
out there got any info about doing a MIDI retrofit to a piano accordian?
I know that you can get a proper "conversion" done for somewhere around
$1000 in the UK, but I'm posting this for a friend who wants to do it
on the cheap. Ideas so far range from using a dedicated MIDI keyboard
scanner chip such as the E510 (sorry, manufacturer unknown), or ripping
apart a cheap home MIDI keyboard and transferring the key contacts to
the accordian. Any info appreciated.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ian Crighton   Hewlett-Packard  Computer Peripherals Bristol, UK   
                                                      ianc@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:172 rec.music.synth:18537 comp.music:5252
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: K2000R (Q)
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:10:52 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College


Does the Rack-version of K2000 contain all the same features as the keyboard 
version (except for the sequencer, I guess?)? Disk-drive, possible to 
install sampling-option and 68 MB...?

Oivind Idso (-: oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no :-)
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Reality has always been too small for the human imagination"
-------------------------------------------------------------
From: jase@praxis.co.uk (Jason Dore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Which MIDI card / sequencer to buy?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:28:02 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

Dear All,  ( new to newsgroup etc )

I'm looking for the cheapest (but good) way of doing composing on my
PC, so I guess I need a (midi card / sound card) and sequencer. I'd
prefer a system that was capable of writing the compositions onto
staves for printing.

I like windows (3.1), but DOS would do. Shareware would be great. I
know nothing about midi as yet, but I am willing to get my hands
mucky.

Current hardware; 386SX (16) 2MB 102MB + CASIO (sorry) keyboard.

Any recommendations (good and bad) on cards, software, essential
reading, ftp sites, FAQ, etc would be very welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Jase.

e-mail jase@praxis.co.uk

/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Jason Dore                      |                     jase@praxis.co.uk  |
\--------------------------------------------------------------------------/
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: rogalsky@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Rogalsky)
Subject: refunds for pbooks
Summary: refunds for pbooks
Keywords: powerbook MIDI
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:48:48 GMT

Just FYI,                      
A friend has just successfully argued with apple corp that his
pbook 140 was faulty (in not being able to handle large amounts
of MIDI input) and is having his money refunded.  This is not
a very satisfactory solution but at least is a way of protesting.
Maybe if enough people demanded refunds apple would look more
closely at finding a decent fix.
Matt
rogalsky@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: ahw02@rrz.uni-koeln.de (A. Almonacid-Lessmann)
Subject: Re: C-Lab out of Business ?
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:23:47 GMT


Hi!
 Keep cool. As much as I know, and I have first hand info from two former 
C-L*B prgrammers, the only thing that has changed is that C-L*B is not allowed 
to distribute and/or sell programms like N*TATOR.
 As much as I know, all the former programmers of C-L*B are working for/in/with
EM*GIC. There seem to have been some personal problems with the Boss of C-L*B.
 Nothing will change that much. Oh, and EMAG*C plan to have N*TATOR-logic for 
AT*RI ready till Spring 1993, with the possibility for N*TATOR SL users to Up-
grade to N*-Logic. N* SL will still be supported.
 This is the information I got here in Germany from the postings of N*-progra-
mmers in the MAUS-Net.
 Greetings
	  Aleks A.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: doug@tellabs.com (Doug David)
Subject: Ensoniq SQ2
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:34:32 GMT

Does anyone out there own an Ensoniq SQ2?? I am contemplating getting one
and would like to hear an owner's opinion of it. Is Ensoniq reliable
enough to handle constant weekend gigging?

--
   (    )   __ (     )   (     )  )         )                      
) ((   ((  / / ))   ((   ))   (( ((     (  ((
   )) ____/ / _____  __  __  _____)) ) ((   ))        
  ( (/ ___ / /___ / / / / / /___ /( ((  )) ((  )       
 ) )/ /__// //__// / /_/ / //__//))  ))( (_) )((   Doug David
(( /_____/ /____/ /_____/ /___ /((  ((  )    (_))  doug@tellabs.com
 ))__________________________//  ))  ))(       (  
( /__________________________/  ( ( (           )
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:26:24 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>Would you like a demonstration? 
>How would you like me to post one article per day to the top 100 groups
>in each newsgroup, inviting everyone over to news.groups with a subject
>line like "DANGER! YOUR group may go away."? 

It would demonstrate only that you're capable of mass deception.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:27:15 GMT

In a prior article, Dave Hayes (dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov) writes:
> I cannot buy this in the case of a newsgroup where no one is real "up"
> on current news.groups procedures. People on usenet aren't necessarily
> aware that they CAN do this, if they were in the general case then I 
> would agree with your counter-argument. 

People in general don't have to be; one concerned reader of the group in
question does. I would find it hard to believe that absolutely none of the
readers of any newsgroup would understand what CFV or RFD meant or realize
that a CFV posted to their group means their group may be affected. You
don't have to be a news.groups "insider" to be able to notice that an RFD
has been posted, and to know what to do to check it out (i.e. subscribe to
news.groups).

To say that again, I agree that everyone might not know what RFD means, and
may not know what it implies (that the group in which it appears might be
affected by an upcoming vote), but I really doubt that there are any groups
in which _no one_ in the group would know these things.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Midi Trigger (for a pseudo drummer!)
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:02:59 GMT

In article <1egsitINNlj4@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.143846.28237@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv
|> Naimpally) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <1eetg3INN3d@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
|> > |> Hi y'all,
|> > |> 
|> > |> Does anyone out there know of an 'affordable' Midi trigger (real basic,
|> > 
|> > I'm not sure exactly what are you asking for. If you want a low cost
|> > set of pads that can be used to play drum sounds you might try the
|> > Roland Pad5 (5 pads), and the Yamaha ones (there are at least 2 models,
|> > one with 4 pads and one with 8). These pads are 3-4" in diameter
|> > and are velocity sensitive - striking them produces MIDI notes.
|> > I think the cheapest one (Yamaha 4 pad) is under $100 ...
|> 
|> thanks Shiv
|> 
|> that sounds perfect if it is really that inexpensive - are these meant to
|> be used with drumsticks?
|> 
|> What is your source - I've never seen anything like that at Guitar Center,
|> Musicians Friend, or any of the other larger places I have been at.
|> 
|> Later,
|> Chris

The PAD 5 which I own has a sensitivity control which you can adjust -
one end is for drumstick, the other for hand. I use my hands but
usually have it adjusted somewhere in between. I'm not sure whether the
other boxes have similar adjustments.

Two local stores that deal with Roland and Yamaha carry these and I
saw product announcements for the 8 pad box from Yamaha in Keyboard
a few months back. These are kind of home-oriented I guess so perhaps
the pro-oriented stores don't carry them but they should be able to
order them for you. Otherewise, contact Yamaha and Roland direct.
If I get time I'll try and track down the product numbers. These
are excellent budget pads !
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: euamam@eua.ericsson.se (Hans Malm)
Subject: Re: EPS16+ (kbd-version) locks up!
Reply-To: euamam@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:04:06 GMT

In article 18606@cs.tu-berlin.de, hschmidt@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Hannes Schmidt) writes:
>I bought an one year old EPS16+ keyboard sampler last month.
>But I had to realize that it locks up after several minutes playing
>some definite trash. When I heat the EPS up with an electric fan and
>reboot it the thing works for some hours. I also have to connect it
>to good ground until it works.
>
>I'm doing techno with it and I plan to use on-stage.
>So it would be a medium-sized catastrophy if the EPS failed to play
>the drum loop within the song.
>
>Who has made the same expierences, or even knows how to handle this?
>The guy who sold it to me has moved without writing down his new
>location. So I can't get my money back :( .
>
>

This is a common fault on the old (?) EPS 16+. The problem is a bad connection
to a keyboard circuit board. I had my own EPS 16+ fixed a couple of weeks ago.
I was prepared when i went to the dealer and had written down a 2 page
description of when the error used to occur, because I thought that it was 
a rather mysterious fault, and could be hard to find the reason for.
But they just yawned and said, "well it's that common keyboard circuit board
fault again, come back in a couple days and we'll have it fixed".

They charged me 60$ for it. My EPS is 2 years old now so my guarantee was not
valid anymore :-(

(Btw, a new OS version 1.3 was recently released. It also includes a couple of
new effect algorithms)

/Hans

"Animals are smart. They shit on the ground, and see in the dark" / David Byrne