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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: BATMAN:  "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:35:25 GMT

In article <SS.92Sep9080217@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) 
rites:
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:25:44 GMT, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRo
ch) said:
>
>conty> Mediocre episode.  So-so plotting, STUPID flying sequence with
>conty> the Batplane, and some awful animation from AKOM, which seems
>conty> more suited to TMNT than to this show.  I'm very dissapointed
>conty> with Marv Wolfman's writing, he used to be much better when he
>conty> was writing the TEEN TITANS comic back in the mid-to-late 80's.
>conty> And I have a real problem with the Batplane.  The entire series
>conty> has a techno-art deco look to it, and here we get something
>conty> straight out of a STAR WARS film!  It's completely incongruous
>conty> with the rest of the show.  Even the inside of the thing still
>conty> had the retro-40's look to it.
>
>I agree the Batwing was thrown in just to be thrown in. It would have
>been more relistic is he used a helicopter. The only reason it was the
>Batwing was becaues it was in the movie. It was relistic when he was
>just following the car on the radar screen, but when he is flying
>around with the guy hanging by one arm, dive bombing the water.....
>--
>                        Scott Streeter
>                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu


Personally, I really liked the Batwing, BECAUSE it was in the movie.
It was one of my favorite things from the movie, and I like it a lot
in the cartoon, too.  And you'll notice that the Batmobile in the car-
toon greatly resembles that from the movies (but nobody's complained
about THAT).

---Chris Meadows

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From: miweber@apollo.davidson.edu
Subject: Fist of the North Star
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC
Reply-To: miweber@apollo.davidson.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:33:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: apollo.davidson.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Help!

I am desperately seeking a plot synopsis or script to the full-length
Japanese film "Fist of the North Star."  At least, I *think* that's
the title.  The story was set on Earth after World War III, and
involved such elements as a bag of seeds, a sorceror who rides a 
very large horse, and kidnapped wives.

If anyone could mail me *any* further information or hints about
where to turn next, I would greatly appreciate it.

Mail to: miweber@apollo.davidson.edu

Thanks in advance!
Mike
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From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but..
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.014812.23218@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, 
smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:

> Actually, I'm inclined to think that DM gave Presto the hate precisely
> because he had some innate ability.  I recall one episode in which Presto
> really screwed up (oh, THAT episode :), and the Dungeon Master said to him
> kindly, "You twiddled when you should have diddled" (or something to that
> effect--had to do with an improper hand motion).  Not too implausible at all,
> IMHO.
> 
That was the episode with the giant and the golden dragon. There is
also further evidence that the kids got weapons that were suited
to their personalities and/or abilities. In the episode with the
city held at the edge of midnight, one of the slave-boys was a friend
of the kids back in their home world. Before he was wisked back to that
world, he made some remarks about Presto doing some more card tricks
at school tomorrow. Also Diana was a state gymnastic champion and she 
gets a weapon that allows her to pole-vault around using her arcobatic 
abilities. Coincidences? I think not.

Robert Corns            rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca         Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's University         Halifax          Nova Scotia    Canada
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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Samurai Pizza Cats
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:35:39 GMT

A great many of your questions are/could be answered by The Animation
Report, an industry newsletter.  I should state here that I have
a financial interest in the publication.  Harvey Deneroff, the
editor of the newsletter would be an excellent consultant for you.
I should state here that I have no financial interest in Harvey
Deneroff :-).

The Animation Report
PO Box 2215
Canoga Park, CA 91306-2215
818 998-3025
FAX: 818 882-6853

Another source for information about the industry is Hope Reports
of Rochester, NY.  Tom Hope has been doing and publishing
research about audio visual industries and markets for more
years than you and I have had hot dinners.

With regard to your question about xferring animation to video
tape, the short answer is it's a horrendous kludge, but it works.
The computer required a controller card (diaquest is a popular
brand--I have no financial...) to communicate via the serial
port to the vcr.  The tape was sawn back and forth across the heads
to lay down one frame at a time while the tape is in motion.
Now both SONY (hi band 8) (hah! try to find one) and panasonic
(vhs) have vcrs that don't require the controller card and have
the necessary controlling circuitry already built in.

More elegant solutions are: recording on motion picture film.
Because the film doesn't have to be in motion while the frame
is recorded, the film camera doesn't care how long it has to
wait while frames are rendered (vcrs were prone to losing the
computer link during long render times because of having to
keep constant tension on the tape).  The way we do single frame
at RIT is to a write once, read many video disc.  The frame is
written by a laser on a constantly spinning disk.  The disk is
about the same price per frame as 16mm film, no dropouts, no
complicated tape transports to fail.

Hope this helps.

Erik Timmerman
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Anime, and He May Not
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 05:04:32 GMT
Organization: Lollapalooza Phoenix Eastern Mosh Pit Smoke-Mask Crew

wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:

> Marc acknowledges that mediocrity exists in all media.  However, the way
> he talks about the mediocrity in anime makes it sound like that it is
> more prevalent, apparent, rampant, common, whatver in anime than in
> other media, which I don't believe is true - or at least not as
> significantly as he makes it sound. 

The point isn't that mediocrity is more common in amine, it's that it's
less commonly *acknowledged* by anime fans than by fans of other animation
genres.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Batman-- animation
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:14:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.716202869
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>  Why are they using a different animation company for every episode of Batman?
>They should stick with whoever did the animation for "On Leather Wings" and make
>it more consistent. There really is a large difference in the appearance of some
>of the episodes.

Just thank your lucky stars that Kennedy isn't doing any of the
episodes!  Batman with a permanent sneer talking out of the side of
his mouth, doing little shuffles, rubbery limbs, yeesh!  It's bad
enough that they let AKOM do some episodes - with any luck they gave a
lot to Tokyo (TMS).

Oh yeah, it's how they crank out so many episodes in such a short time.
-- 
What if any of you were wrongly accused of murder and ANY of the presidential
candidates showed up as your court-appointed attorney? Hello, lethal injection.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Bat Mobile
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:00:31
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: lupin@TheRat.Kludge.COM's message of Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:02:02 PDT

>>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:02:02 PDT, lupin@TheRat.Kludge.COM (Eric Wilkinson) said:

lupin> What do you think of the new Bat Mobile?  It seems to be a
lupin> 40/50's version of the movie Bat Mobile.

lupin> (inconsistancy) Have you noticed how young the movie Bat Man
lupin> is?  He should be at least 50 years old if it is in the
lupin> time-line of the original Bat Man comics. I'm not sure about
lupin> this, so if anyone has info.  about it, let me know.

Comic charectors rarely age. The Batman comics are set in todays time
period, being 1992. The Animated Series had a 40's look, but must
still be in a modern time period, since Batman has all this high tech
equipment. 

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Adam K. Rixey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cartoon Network
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:08:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	I came from Atlanta [Turnerville, the way the newspapers seem to be],
and they published a listing of what the schedules would be.  Of course,
I'm now 670 miles away. . .

	Seriously, though, the only good things are some of the older Warner
Brothers and a 15 minute thing around 11:30 or 11:45 with experimental
cartoons.  The entire prime-time era [8-10] is filled with Hanna-Barbara
drek. 

	Ted also said that he didn't want any true violence in cartoons. . .so
chances are pretty slim of getting anything other than H-B sludge. .
.meaning no anime.

	- AkR
	- ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Batman 9/10
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:07:22 GMT

Today's story was a nice change of pace, as most of the really important action
was psychological (yeah, like the previous episodes have been bereft of that 
element }->).  It was pleasant to see the mobster not turn over a new leaf 
right away, but to try and fix his problems the "old way".
     I can't figure out where I've heard Thorne's voice before, and tho I taped
just the credits to I could see the name, that didn't help me.  He sounded so 
damn familiar....
     Dave Van Domelen, pleased that TTA will be moving to 4:30 PM from 6:30 AM 
in his area starting next week.
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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Re: BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:11:55 GMT

>Well, I for one, am very impressed with the series!  I have liked
>every episode I have seen so far (Part 2 of Clayface awaits me when I
>get home from work).  The animation is very stylized and that may
>bother some but it is still far and away better then anything on
>American TV in a *long* time! 

I believe so, too.  The second (maybe 3rd..) episode "Leather Wings" was
really appealing to first time audience like myself.  I was hooked on the
show after watching it.  The animation is really superb.  The tiny details
are all there, like grinning, shocking expression, etc.  (expressions that
Michael Keaton can never express!)

-- 
       ||/|/|/|
       |      |    If it's there and you can see it       -- it's real
       |      |    If it's not there and you can see it   -- it's virtual
       | (o)(o)    If it's there and you can't see it     -- it's transparent
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman's voice
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:41:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Like someone doing Peter Cullen trying to do Michael Keaton doing Batman.


Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
Peter Cullen (Optimus Prime, many many movie trailer voiceovers)
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Blitz Wolf censored
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:08:46 GMT

rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>I looked at my copy of "Blitz Wolf" on "All this and Tex Avery Too".
>The final shot ("The End" picture) has an add to support the war (WWII)
>effort. It says

>"If you'll buy a stamp or bond
> We'll skin that skunk across the pond"

Thanks for the info!


>This kind of message is not unusual to be put into cartoons and films
>of that era. What puzzles me is why someone would censor it out. Perhaps
>they're worried about hords of people racing out to buy bonds that
>are no longer issued? :)

Yeah, there are far worse things on the tape.  Maybe they did it after
the war was over and war stamps and bonds weren't war effort
supportive.  Who knows.  And here I'd been having visions of
incredibly vile invective covered up for decency...
-- 
Marriage is a trip between Niagara Falls and Reno.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Batman Prime-time Episode
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:01:39 GMT

I missed the sneak preview yesterday, but was quite impressed by the episode 
tonight.  The feature villain was a fairly obscure member of the Batrogues 
Gallery, Man-Bat (or a reasonable facsimile).  The animation was impressive, 
but I was left a little cold by the chara design.  Having one's chin take up 
half of one's face gets old fast, and Gordon's hairdo looks like a DQ cone top.
However, the Man-Bat character looked stunning.  I didn't really have much of a
problem with Bruce/Batman's voice, maybe it got better with this episode.  I 
wouldn't know.
     Dave Van Domelen, was really impressed by the flying "chase" scene
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Conan the animated
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:32:28 GMT

well my local Fox/independent station has been running Conan promos
for about a week now, so there is a series...though it doenst look that
good (maybe Im spoiled by TTA and Batman)

-- 
  "If the best things in life are free, then my current price is
   $37k with a 10% downpayment."
From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Language (was Re: BATMAN: TAS)
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:19:03 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep13.185141.27894@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>One thing that surprised me:  in "It's Never Too Late", the guy describing
>Stromwell's rescue to the Commish says: "I saw him!  Batman saved his butt!"
>
>Now, I don't know about you, but I hadn't heard the B-word in television,
>much less in cartoons.

You definitely need to watch more cartoons.  Tiny Toon Adventures, Beetlejuice,
Transformers, Dennis the Menace, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, all have used the
word.  Not to mention The Simpsons and virtually all NickToons.

   VGR

"Tonight ... a procedure never before attempted in the annals of medicine...!"
"In the what??"     -Beetlejuice
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: BATMAN: "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:39:49 GMT

palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer) writes:

>P.S. Are any Fox stations showing this at a decent hour?  Ours shows
>it at 4:30, which is before I get home but after my wife gets home.
>She likes the show, and I've been taping it, but she doesn't like
>watching it twice a day (my current cable configuration keeps me from
>taping one show while watching another without rewiring).

Here in Boston, Fox (ch 25) shows it at 5 pm - I usually get there barely in
time to catch it as it starts.
	Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: X-Men
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:44:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network



X-Men will be only 13 episodes, weekly, because there hasn't been 
X-Men for 50+ years, and two major motion pictures that did a combined
$400 Million, and could afford to spend (or risk as the case may be)
some $40 Million to produce 65 episodes.

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: BATMAN: TAS    9/14    PRETTY POISON
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.012943.20349@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> Remember the newspaper shot last week with "Dent's Dream"?  Well, here it was 
> today.  LOVELY foreshadowing.  Too bad Dent looked like crap today.
>      Dave Van Domelen, thinks Poison Ivy looks cute when she's insane

It's the way her hair flares up when she's angry...

9/14    PRETTY POISON                              Sunrise     Poison Ivy

The pace was too rushed for my taste, but otherwise it was a decent episode.  
Note the irony in the "A Better, Safer Gotham" caption.  I liked the design
of Ivy's "wristbow".  One thing I didn't like:  they should have left the
"easy listening" music when Bats was fighting that giant plant.  It would
have worked so much better...

P.S.  Is it me, or should little Miss Poison be in Arkham instead of the
penitentiary?
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Blitz Wolf censored
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:26:14 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <rdippold.715989492@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>Just got a great collection called "Toons at War" which has several
>cartoons you won't see anywhere else such as "Bugs Bunny Nips the
>Nips," "Scrap Happy Daffy," "The Ducktators," "Coal Black and De
>Sebben Dwarves," etc., mostly due to unflattering racial portrayals... 
>
>Anyhow, one of the cartoons is "Blitz Wolf" by Tex Avery.  At the very
>end we get a "The End (of Adolf)" shot - and there's something written
>below that, but it's wiped out with a black bar!  The bar moves quite
>a bit, and you can see the top and bottom of some words peeking out,
>but not enough for me to make out anything.  Does anyone know what
>went here?  It looks like it was done a while ago, not added by the
>company that collected the cartoons.
>-- 
>If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt.

I've seen that cartoon several times, on film.  The print also has that bit
wiped out, and I've wondered for years what it said...

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From: tusneem@higgins.ecn.purdue.edu (Irfan Tusneem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman Saturday Morning
Keywords: Cool
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:40:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I just watched batman at 10:00 am CTZ.  They mentioned that it
was a special Episode and will be continued next saturday.  And
there will show one on sunday at primetime (another special
episode).  Anyone knows if they are gonna be doing this on a
regular basis or is it just a special episode to get tuned
for the season.

The animation was really good.  It is a relief to see some
good animation after a very long time.

Irf
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Transferring Drawings to Computer
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:48:34 GMT

In our Amiga lab we use a TV camera to transfer images on a light table to
either DCTV or the Video Toaster. Failing that, I'd suggest you consider 
using DigiView from NewTek.


Hope that helps...


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Blitz Wolf censored
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:58:12 GMT

Just got a great collection called "Toons at War" which has several
cartoons you won't see anywhere else such as "Bugs Bunny Nips the
Nips," "Scrap Happy Daffy," "The Ducktators," "Coal Black and De
Sebben Dwarves," etc., mostly due to unflattering racial portrayals... 

Anyhow, one of the cartoons is "Blitz Wolf" by Tex Avery.  At the very
end we get a "The End (of Adolf)" shot - and there's something written
below that, but it's wiped out with a black bar!  The bar moves quite
a bit, and you can see the top and bottom of some words peeking out,
but not enough for me to make out anything.  Does anyone know what
went here?  It looks like it was done a while ago, not added by the
company that collected the cartoons.
-- 
If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt.
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From: mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose)
Subject: Re: Dark Water has gone downhill
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.005351.26101@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>I saw the episode of Pirates of Dark Water this Saturday, and didn't
>like it. ...
[article trimmed to cut to the chase]
>It looks like from now on Ren will be dealing with TWO villains--Bloth,
>AND the Darkdweller.  Ugh.
>
>Up to now, nobody knew what the motivating force was behind Dark Water.  
>I wish they'd kept the mystery.

Unfortunately, they did this because there is no mystery to keep.  Dark
Water will not be returning for ABC's next season.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
   The High Diggy-Hoek of    |           Free TV            |  "Stupid" is a
    Chihuahua-Wala Land      |  --------------------------  |    boundless
mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose) |   You Get What You Pay For   |     concept.
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From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Subject: Re: Transferring Drawings to Computer
Originator: jmkaraka@c00079-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:02:30 GMT


|> 
|> I'd like to ask again about transferring animation drawings to a computer.
|> I'm able to draw okay with a mouse, and with DeluxePaint's stencil feature
|> even sketching out is possible, but it's still not as easy and the results
|> aren't as good as with the good old pencil.  Are there any computer
|> animators
|> out there (preferably amateurs because I'm on an extremely limited
|> budget) 
|> who can give me some tips?
|> 
|> I have access to a scanner at school, but it's extremely inconvenient
|> and
|> it fails to pick up all the lines, so I end up having to touch them
|> up
|> anyway.  (Plus, it's a Macintosh scanner and I'm using an Amiga, and
|> trans-
|> ferring the files between the computers is a pain.)
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Chuck
|> -- 

	Unless you're dealing with hyper-detailed and speedy animation, a good
method may be to get one of the drawing/animation packages with
'morphing'.  You could scan one frame out of say 5,10 or 20; touch them
up, and let the computer fill in the middle frames.

	-john 'Sayyyy, that's a nice Amiga you have there' karakash-

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