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From: andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Recipes
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:26:06 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: ozona.cs.utexas.edu

>*** Rajang bawang pere kecil kecil, bawang juga. Jangan bawang putih
>besar. Bawang merah yang besar dipotong kecil kecil.


Bawang daun suka dicampur nggak ? Apa gosong entar ? He he he...


>****Masukkan bawangpere dan bawangmerah tadi ke kuali.
>***** Nasi yang sudah masak masukkan ke kuali dan campur dengan kecap
>								 ^^^^^
>sotong buatan Thailand. Warnanya coklat jernih. Keemudian boleh
>^^^^^^
>ditambah dengan kecap asin biasa.
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wah, kecap sotong itu apa ?
Bagaimana kalau dicampur kecap manis ?
Iya ya, sampai sekarang susah dapat pengganti kecap manis,
sebenarnya dikasih gula rasanya jadi kacau nggak ya ?


>******* Telor dimatasapi atau didadar. Tomat diiris iris dan selada
>juga. (Terpisah dengan nasinya).
>Belakangan baru dicampur.
>


Pernah coba telornya langsung dicampur sama nasinya waktu digoreng ?
Seperti scrambled eggs kecil-kecil, rasa telurnya lebih tercampur
nasinya, enak juga :) :)


-- 
Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: <None>
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:25:41 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Dear D.Cristina,
If he is a ten years old boy why you bothered answering his messages.
You are cute, you know. I recently saw a Brazilian movie (an old
movie)," Dona Flor and Her Two Husbands", It is artistic. Dou you like
movie ?
From: iwirawan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Indra Wirawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Himbauan buat rekan-rekan
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:41:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

>>
>>Berantem saja dulu...dong.  We are not "pengecut".  Nggak peduli

>It is not a matter of "cowardness".

>>gue....orang Eropah memandang rendah kepada bangsa kita (gue orang 
>>Melayu Acheh from Malaysia).   Peduli setan apa yang mereka
>>ngomogi... gue tetap berantem sampai mereka berhenti dulu.
>>
>>>Selamat berdiskusi kembali.

>The best way to handle any situation is to use your head, not
>your muscle. If we do so, I will be surprised if anyone would still
>look down on us.
>BTW, although this newsgroup is not moderated (or is it?) use
>English only, please.

>>
>>Olo.
>>
>>>Salam,
>>>Budi
>>
>>-azlan nordin-
>>  Penn State


  Sigh! my fellows wanna a fight ?
  
   Well, well, since in this newsgroup we do not see face by face

  How would you send your punchs and kicks ?

  

 Don't have a cow man


 'peace' says lao tzu


 ************
 Indra
 ************

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re : Re : Re : View from Timorese Resistance
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:26:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Mario J. Silva ( msilva@mercenary.cs.berkeley.edu ) writes :

> I have been in contact by email with several Indonesians that
> read my post and sent me their notes saying they do not speak
> out for that reason.  For me that is a sufficient proof.

Wow ... ?  How about some Portugeses sent me email saying that
I should not put my post about the result of President Soeharto
gave speech in the UN and the result of Minister of Foreign 
Affair Indonesia and Portugal met with the UN Secretary General
last September in the UN ?
They said they want to know what other Indonesians opinion about
East Timor ?  

First of all, I want to know ... what do you Portugeses want by
attacking us Indonesians about East Timor in this newsgroup ?
Do you have any source(s) in your government to give the result
of this discussions ?
If NOT ..... I don't know what to say .... Ok, guys ?

Start ....

Proof of Indonesian is accepting by many countries :
1. Last September in Jakarta, Indonesia, there was a Summit of 
   Non-Block countries.  App. 108 countries attended the Summit.
   Why in Indonesia ... ?  
   I think, I should not answer this question !

2. After the Summit, all countries agreed that President Soeharto
   will give the speech at the UN as a representative of Non-
   Block countries.
   Why President Soeharto .... ?
   Again, I should not answer this question !

3. Giving the speech in the UN, there was no demonstration at 
   the UN when Indonesian delegation come to the UN as usual.
   Why .... ?
   I just want to say ........ incredible, man !

4. Minister of Foreign Affair from Portugal and Indonesia met 
   the UN Secretary General at his office.  And Portugal and 
   Indonesia will meet again in December but ... without 
   representative from East Timor.
   Isn't it you guys can't influence other countries to push
   Indonesia about East Timor ?

Well .... It's up to you.  I just don't want to see this news-
group talk about East Timor.  Let our government decide about
it, ok ?
Why don't you talk about your study or your research in this
newsgroup ?  and maybe we can discuss something about it !

Thank's for reading my post.
--------------------------------------------------------------
	Sekali merdeka tetap merdeka
--------------------------------------- Wira Putra -----------
------ ck345@cleveland.freenet.edu ---------------------------
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From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: 280
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:17:57 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Di Jakarta, Anda pasti kenal Jalan Iskandarsyah (pendiri Kerajaan
Malaka), karena jalan ini jalan BESAR, kalau anda berkunjung ke Medan,
semua orang tahu Jalan Gandhi karena jalan in masyhur. Juga Jalan Jose
rizal, dan Jalan Sun Yat Sen. Semua orang tahu.
Saya nggak bohong.
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Port.Nggak Punya Radio/Koran Swasta
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:03:08 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Baca  so.cult. nya Portugis. Mereka pada seneng karena sekarang
radio komersial SWASTA diijinkan oleh Pemerintahnya. Koran swasta
sekarang juga 'udah boleh di Portugal. Mulai bulan ini thn 1992.
Bayangin!!!Negara kayak apa itu ???.
From: Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:23 PST
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton position about ET
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov12.085435.268@inesc.pt:1593985831:cdp:1741100004:000:1172
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cscheiner    Nov 12 18:23:00 1992


BILL CLINTON ON U.S. POLICY TOWARDS EAST TIMOR

The following quote from President-Elect Bill Clinton was recorded by 
Pacific radio reporter Amy Goodman when she asked him about East Timor 
following a foreign policy speech in New York City in April, 1992. 

"I'm very concerned about what's happened in East Timor, and I think we have 
to review it. I'm not prepared at the present time to say categorically we 
should cut off all aid, but I do believe we have ignored it so far in ways 
that I think are unconscionable. I think we have to engage the government on 
the question of how those people are being treated.  And I certainly 
wouldn't rule out the prospect of cutting aid."

This citation is from "Massacre: The Story of East Timor," a 29-minute radio 
documentary produced by Amy Goodman and Allan Nairn and broadcast on about 
fifty community radio stations in the USA on November 12, 1992, the first 
anniversary of the Santa Cruz massacre.  
The quote was covered by the Portuguese news media as a new development.

Audiotape copies of the program are available for $10 from the East Timor 
Action Network/US.
-- Charlie Scheiner



Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: pondok <F3CE@UNB.CA>
Subject: KOTORAN BEBEK PORTU_GEESE
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:43:11 GMT


Salam,

Telah beberapa waktu lamanya saya mengikuti newsgroup ini, senang,
tapi sayang, banyak kotoran bebeknya. Tak tahu diri pula (dasar
bebek), makin diusir makin datang mereka. Saya usul, gimana kalau
jangan mereka terlalu dilayani. Dan ada baiknya (usul lagi), jika
ada di antara rekan-rekan yang akan melayani mereka, jangan di sini,
tapi di newsgroup mereka sendiri, yaitu SOC.CULTURE.PORTU_GEESE.

Maksud saya, kalau a.c.i. kena kotoran bebek, kotoran itu kita
lempar balik ke kandangnya sana.

Jadi jelasnya, kita tidak menanggapi wek-wek mereka di sini, selain
di kandang mereka sendiri, dan rumah kita ini kita gunakan untuk
ngobrol sendiri antar kita dan siapapun yang mau ramah-tamah dengan
kita. Baik berbahasa Indonesia, maupun bahasa yang lain yang bisa
diterima oleh semua.

Salam,
   Wisnu Hendradjit, di PONDOK I.S.A.-U.N.B.
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Patrice Lumumba
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:50:06 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The sentence means : "We have a Patrice Lum. mba street in our capital"     
(why don't you learn Bahasa Indonesia).
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Re: to all Portueguese
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:39:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.105249.2663@inesc.pt> rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo) writes:
|In article <1992Nov9.183110.44567@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
||> Ingat nggak Jalan Patric Lumumba di Jakarta.
|
|I am portuguese, but do not speak any indonesian language. Could someone kindly
|translate the message to english?
|Then I would be able to read the message...
|

I'll try my best:

    Remember Patric Lumumba street in Jakarta ? (there should be a question
mark at the end)


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: Himbauan buat rekan-rekan
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:37:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.041503.19989@cs.su.oz.au>, danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny)
writes:
> 

> I'd like to be able to talk to people when I go back, but I'd also like
> to be able to read Indonesian writers such as Pramoedya Ananta Toer.
> 
> Danny.
> 
Apakah ada orang yg lain yg mau belajar lebih tentang kesusasteraan
Indonesia?  Saya pernah membaca "Cerita Dari Blora" dari Pramoedya Ananta
Toer, dan rasanya cerita-cerita itu baik sekali.  Bagaimana pendapat orang
Indonesia di newsgroup ini tentang buku-buku Ananta Toer?  (Saya minta maaf
kalau ada kesalahan tatabahasa. Saya juga menggunakan alt.culture.indonesia
untuk praktek bahasa Indonesia dan saya senang bahwa ada orang seperti
Danny di sini juga...)

Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: Himbauan buat rekan-rekan
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.193436.5232@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

>Saya menghimbau agar rekan-rekan tidak menanggapi tulisan yang
>ditayangkan oleh rekan-rekan kita yang Portugis. Dapat dilihat
>dari tulisan sebelumnya bahwa mereka memang berniat untuk
>memojokkan kita dan hanya ngajak berantem saja. Mana bisa diskusi
>dengan orang macam ini, kalau niatnya saja sudah seperti itu.

Berantem saja dulu...dong.  We are not "pengecut".  Nggak peduli
gue....orang Eropah memandang rendah kepada bangsa kita (gue orang 
Melayu Acheh from Malaysia).   Peduli setan apa yang mereka
ngomogi... gue tetap berantem sampai mereka berhenti dulu.

>Selamat berdiskusi kembali.

Olo.

>Salam,
>Budi

-azlan nordin-
  Penn State
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: to all Portuguese:Mr Jorge...
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:13:27 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <z8q19gq@rpi.edu>, jorgej@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Joaquim Jorge) writes:
> The way I see it, there is no difference of attitude between the actual 
> indonesian government and the former portuguese dictatorship. Unless you
> consider it more beneficial to be colonized by your neighbor rather than
> a distant country...

oh sir, you forgot several things:
indonesia does not neglect ET. indonesia does positive things in ET. indonesia
does development in ET with clear intention to increase ETers living quality.
indonesia develops scholls, highways, industry etc in ET. indonesia sends local
students to study with scholarships. indonesia gives local government to local
people. indonesia accepts ET representatives in the MPR. indonesia treats ETers
like other indonesian citizens.   
i bet you will never hear those being done by your government to their colonies
so guess who is being irresponsible here ? clear answer, eh!
and if you again pointed out at indonesian troops' mistakes, remember how many
did your government killed during their 'colonizing activities' in the past.
an recall also, this was not done by mistake, but deliberately. 

h siahaan
From: oliveira@sunkist.berkeley.edu (Jorge-Nuno Oliveira Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Parent and child
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:17:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
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Originator: oliveira@sunkist.berkeley.edu


 andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes
>...











>For instance, a typical Indonesian family has very basic values
>where younger people always look up to older people, wether it is
>their brother, parents, grandparents, etc. Being a virtuous
>human being is being somebody who cares for their family, i.e.
>strong family ties.
>It is different from the way 'Westerners' see it. A child in a
>typical western family is educated from young to be SELF SUPPORTIVE,
>unrelying on anybody, not even their parents,
>(like a lot of adolescent teenagers shouting idealistic bullshit,
> like I used to do, hey, its OK, but you don't want to go too far
> and wreck the neighborhood like what happened in LA)
>while in a typical eastern family, children are always in close
>range with their parents, supportive but respectful on one another.
>The parent really wants to make sure the children could support themselves
>before letting them go.

>ET fits here as still one young kid.
>You don't let your kid wander around or even banish them from
>home to get a job (like what probably often happens in Portugal (sic)).
>The father (Ind. gov) wants ET here to graduate first before getting a job.
>You're telling ET to get a job while he's still in Junior High.
>Now ET thinks he knows how the world works. So he wants to be
>'free' of his family, quit school and get a job so he can get rich quick.
>ET wouldn't object, because he's got lots of friends, i.e Portugal
>to rely upon. But the way Ind. sees, it, ET still needs caring for
>and wouldn't just throw ET into the streets to be another social waste,
>where in the streets Ind wouln't be able to reach ET anymore.

 Nice analogy. What corresponds to the killing of hundreds of thousands
of ET people? That a good parent breaks his children bones on a regular
basis?





















>...

>-- 
>Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
>andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck
>-- 
>Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
>andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck


jn

-- 
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Department of Mathematics			Albany, CA 94710   USA      
University of California		phone:	(510) 525-4688
Berkeley CA 94720 USA  	e-mail: oliveira@math.berkeley.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:07:33 -0500 
From: Irianto Sukaton <is08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Portuguese posts in netnews.alt.culture.indonesia

Excerpts from netnews.alt.culture.indonesia: 3-Nov-92 Re: Portuguese
posts in net.. by Nick Haines@CS.CMU.EDU 
> The reason why UK troops aren't pulled out of Northern Ireland is that
> the majority of the inhabitants want them there, and want Northern
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The MINORITY can sure cause a lot of noise including the occasional
bombings in London.

> Ireland to be part of the United Kingdom (this has been true since
> 1920, when Ireland was (IMO) badly partitioned by the Government of
> Ireland Act). The people of Northern Ireland vote in elections to the
> UK parliament (just like the rest of us) and have all the rights of
> other citizens of the UK. I do not believe that anything similar is
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> true of the Maubere people in East Timor.

Why, The noise coming from Timor Timur is neither as LOUD or SUSTAINED as
coming from Northern Ireland.

Rouli
is08@andrew.cmu.edu

Standard Discalimer: The views and opinions stated above are mine only
		     and do not reflect the views of CMU.


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rda491s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Agus Budy Wuysang)
Subject: Re: Himbauan buat rekan-rekan
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.213807.9621@ems.psu.edu> nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct31.193436.5232@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>
>>Saya menghimbau agar rekan-rekan tidak menanggapi tulisan yang
>>ditayangkan oleh rekan-rekan kita yang Portugis. Dapat dilihat
>>dari tulisan sebelumnya bahwa mereka memang berniat untuk
>>memojokkan kita dan hanya ngajak berantem saja. Mana bisa diskusi
>>dengan orang macam ini, kalau niatnya saja sudah seperti itu.

I agree.

>
>Berantem saja dulu...dong.  We are not "pengecut".  Nggak peduli

It is not a matter of "cowardness".

>gue....orang Eropah memandang rendah kepada bangsa kita (gue orang 
>Melayu Acheh from Malaysia).   Peduli setan apa yang mereka
>ngomogi... gue tetap berantem sampai mereka berhenti dulu.
>
>>Selamat berdiskusi kembali.

The best way to handle any situation is to use your head, not
your muscle. If we do so, I will be surprised if anyone would still
look down on us.
BTW, although this newsgroup is not moderated (or is it?) use
English only, please.

>
>Olo.
>
>>Salam,
>>Budi
>
>-azlan nordin-
>  Penn State

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Indonesian Rest.
From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:59:12 PST
Organization: San Francisco State University

Hi fellow Indonesians, and other people interested in Indonesian food.


I only received one response from my posting about Indonesian rest in USA and
world (except Indonesia) :)

Please send me more e-mails, as I want to find out more...  There are a lot
of Indonesians out there, please respond...

Here is the response that I get...  As you may not know,  I am posting this
from San Francisco State University, but I did not live in San Francisco Bay
Area...  I moved to Iowa City, Iowa.

This posting is done in English to benefit other people who are interested in
Indonesian food...

Thank to John. Y. Arrasjid!

Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 15:09:14 PST
From: jya00@testeng.amdahl.com (John Y. Arrasjid O32-2118 x68180)
Message-Id: <9211022309.AA07997@testeng.amdahl.com>
Received: by duey (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	id AA00616; Mon, 2 Nov 92 15:07:42 PST
To: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Subject: Re: Indonesian Rest was Re: Food
Status: OR

I don't have the addresses for these but will try to mail them as soon
as I can:

San Francisco:
	Jakarta - Excellent food. One cook from Java and one from North Sumatra
		- tastes just like being there. They have everything from Satay to
		  Gado Gado, Cjendol to Ice Kelapa Muda, and even Nasi Ramas (Rijstaeffel).
		  Largest Indonesian menu I've seen with many different dishes. Also, they
 		  can make items not on the menu. The cook is VERY good.
	Bali	- Haven't been there yet
	Cafe Indonesia - Haven't been there yet
	
San Jose:
	Ori Deli - Indonesian and Chinese deli and restaurant. Basic Indonesian fare.
		   Menu items: Satay, Nasi Ramas, Gado Gado and a few other dishes.
john

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: to all Portuguese
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:57:32 GMT

lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira) writes:

>   In article <1992Nov4.003837.44377@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
>   andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>   to all Portuguese,
>   we, Indonesian, don't colonize East Timor as you did.

>So in your own words Indonesia _is_ indeed colonizing East Timor.

From the above sentence, how did you come to that conclusion ?


>   Portuguese left this colony while 99% of its people were ILLITERATE.
>   Why? Because they are not white(what else the reason?) They are not
>   your relatives or brothers, so you didn't care about them.
>   Under our protection, open your eyes, 90% of the people are able to
>   read and write. We built clinic in EVERY village. We provides money
>   annually to churches. We should have put all Portuegese officials into
>   trial 17 years ago.

>So they now can read and write.  Shouldn't they be given also a chance
>to decide their own future ?

Yes, they have. They wanted to become part of Indonesia.

>-Miguel

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
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