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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:02:12 -0500 
From: "Prashant S. Rane" <pr2c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: re: Dr. Jayaraman's article


In article "Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article", dated Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:09:53 GMT
bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:

>
>Dr. Jayaraman's article makes yet another attempts to paint the
>Hindutva movement in the color of religious fanaticism.
>
>Hindutva is the ideology of India being a "nation-based-state." The
>Indian nation - the cultural entity - being defined as rooted in the
>culture and civilization that evolved in India. This idea of nation
>based state is in strong conflict with the ideological state as
>propagated by Islam.
>
>This is the root of the conflict. Pakistan, kashmir, Bangladesh,
>personal laws, RJB-BM are all merely the symptoms of this central
>conflict.

Let me see if I can put it simply (for my own understanding ofcourse).
If I don't want to be called a hindu, I am not an Indian...  right?

This business of redefining terms is very cute. It reminds me of a story
I read about Veer Sawarkar (He was one of the first modern proponents of
Hindurashtra). Sometime in 1910-20's, in the annual conference of Hindu
Mahasabha he said: "Only Hindus fight for Indian freedom." Within his own
definitions he was completely consistent. He defined a hindu as any person
who owes allegiance to the landmass called Hindustan. By his definition,
all the muslims, sikhs, christians, parsis.... who participated in the
freedom fight were hindus, because they owed allegiance to India. It was
immaterial (to him and to other Hindurashtra proponents) that their
definition of hinduism was not shared by anybody else and it would lead
to gross misunderstandings.

>
>              <<deleted>>
>
>---raj
>

Prashant
From: anupam@eng.umd.edu (Anupam Malhotra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: INFO REQUIRED: MEDICAL EDUCATION IN THE U.S.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:15:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mountaindew.eng.umd.edu
Keywords: medical, education, information
Originator: anupam@mountaindew.eng.umd.edu



Hi !

I'm collecting information for someone who's about to finish his MBBS in India 
and plans to come here.  I am an engineer and I must admit that my knowledge of 
how medical students come here is very limited.  Could someone please explain to 
me the intricacies of the procedure such an applicant would follow to pursue 
advanced studies in medicine in the USA ?  Some questions that come to my mind:

1.	Are MBBSs graduates eligible to pursue further studies here or do they 
	have to take up reparatory courses ?

2.	What exams do they have to take and how would they go about preparing 
	for them ?

3.	Would they be pursuing an academic curriculum here or would it be a 
	job-type situation (residency etc.) ?

4.	How long does the whole process take ?

5.	Is it advisable to start before completing the MBBS or wait to graduate
	first ?

6.	What are the visa requirements for medical graduates from India ?  Do 
	they come on F-1 visas or are other visas required ?  Are there strict 
	regulations about visas given to medical students from India ?

7.	What are some good sources of information for a detailed inquiry into 
	this process ?

8.	What can a student do to enhance his chances of getting admitted to a 
	good medical school ?

9.	What are the good medical schools in the US ?

10.	How much does medical education in the US cost and how does one go about
	managing the expenses (i.e. sources of financial assistance, etc.) ?

11.	How long does a program in medicine take (i.e. to get an M.D.) ?

Please include any other information that you think would be useful.  My e-mail 
address for correspondence is:

                                anupam@eng.umd.edu

Thanks in advance
                                                   ...Anupam


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: imani@willis.cis.uab.edu (Salim Imani)
Subject: Help with DBASE3+
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:15:21 GMT

	I have some .dbf files which I wish to access; however when I use the
"USE" command for those files it says, "Record not found".  Could somebody
explain the source of error and solution to this problem.  Thanks in 
advance.

----Salim Imani (imani@cis.uab.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: A Request/Question to Bapa Rao
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:58:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.142716.5883@crd.ge.com> srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes:
>In article <1jqh15INN401@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>>In article <C19s5D.7ot@ucunix.san.uc.edu	 raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>>	Relative to the level of immorality assigned by you to the crime of 
>>	posting personal mails on sci, where do you place the *act* (I am 
>>	not calling it a crime!) of reporting to the employers of those with 
>>	whom one may have a difference of opinion. Yes, the difference may be
>>	extreme, but is the recourse to Complaints-to-Employers *ethical*?
>>	I don't think Virendra has ever been personally abusive towards anyone.
>>	
>>	It only shows that his opponents are at a total loss of ideas on how
>>	to counter his arguments.
>>	
>>
>>I completely agree with Raj.  I think it is outrageous (and contemptible)
>>that someone wrote to complain to V's employer about his postings, and even
>>more outrageous that the employer cared and obviously did something about
>>it that caused V to declare to post some sort of a disclaimer.
>
>I agree with your comments.
>This cowardly act should be condemned by
>each and everyone.
>Although I have disagreed and opposed Mr. Virendra Verma's
>views on several matters, I respect his right and freedom,
>as much as mine, to express his opinions.
>
>-srinivas.

I echo srinivas' feelings. 
But I feel that Sanjay's comments on this were equally worthy of
consideration. I think Virendra Verma could consult some
members of 'ethics committee' of his company to counter this
arm-twisting. 
Although Virendra Verma had said many things which were 
inconsistent or with which i disagreed, i don't think he
ever said anything personally abusive ( I know he said 
'death' to pseudoseculars or something like that..). 
It is absolutely contemptible that someone should try
such cowardly means..

- Selva
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:28:20 CST
From:                <U52931@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:    Re:Cong-I and rape

by mistake I have put wrong numbers in place for the article 370/357 I think I
have down is Article 356/357.


                             Forgive me for this little mistake.

                                                           Amit.
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Arz kiya hai....
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:33:23 GMT
Distribution: world

In article <1jptsbINN1fh@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, kalia@eng.umd.edu (Atul Kalia) writes:
> kay..
> 
> 
> Mehfil mein baar-baar kisi par nazar gayee,
> Hamney bachai lakh, magar phir udhar gayaee.
> 
> 
> Aur isi se milta-julta sher hai kay..
> 
> 
> Dekh lenge woh, to dekha jayega,
> Dekhna hamse na choda jayega.
		 ^^^^^^^

	chee! chee! chee! yeh kyaa ho rahaa hai ???? Aiseee Bhaaaashaaa ??

	:-) :-) :-)

> 
> 
> ( This is a lover who is afraid that he 
>   may be caught casting loving glances 
>   at his/her love , and yet he can't resist
>   looking at his/her loved one.)
> 
> 
> 
> - 'ATISH'
> 

	rAjAt.
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: venu@cirrus.com
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article 2467@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
>In article <1jle10INNkhg@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>> SSD writes:
[all their stuff deleted]

>you can contact FFT at : fafat@aludra.usc.edu for counselling. 

that is, assuming you cant find his address in the header, ssd. :-). what say we nominate rangana
as the official information assistance dept. of sci?

---
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
The problem with the gene-pool is that there is no life-guard.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Are the Secularists Ashamed Now. (IMAM INCIDENT).
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:26:06 GMT

>kumar@infonode.ingr.com (Mahesh Kumar) writes:
>(Satya Prabhakar) writes:

>> >>>What is anti-national about boycotting the Republic Day? It is
>> >>>a means of registering protest against the Govt. in power. There
>
>> >>    Boycotting the Republic day celebrations IS anti-national,
>> >>
>> >A more fundamental question is: What is wrong in harboring anti-
>> >national feelings?
>> >

Would it be wrong for an Iraqi to hate his country for being so
isolationist?

Would it be wrong for an iranian to hate his country for being so
fundamentalist?

Would it be wrong for a fundamentalist catholic to hate America
for allowing abortions?

Should nationalist pride and respect reign supreme over personal
feelings?

Tell us!

Satya Prabhakar
--
___________________________________________
Happiness, dear Phaedrus, is a passed pawn!
From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:30:43 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <C16zwI.I0L@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <1jl8faINN2ma@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> 
>chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>
>>posting was a passionate argument for how *all* religious fanaticism,
>>whether of the Vedic Math variety, or of the Koranic science variety,
>>is inimical to science.
>
>Dr. Jayaraman's article makes yet another attempts to paint the
>Hindutva movement in the color of religious fanaticism.
>
>Hindutva is the ideology of India being a "nation-based-state." The
>Indian nation - the cultural entity - being defined as rooted in the 
>culture and civilization that evolved in India.


       Because your whole article is based on this hypothesis,
       why don't you please explain things, for an ignorant person
       like me, in simpler terms.


     1. What is the (Hindutva) meaning of "nation-based-state"?


     2. In your view, what is the culture and civilization
        that EVOLVED in India? And what is not?

     3. In what aspects the current Indian nation does not
	reflect culture and civilization that evolved in India?
	And, how much of it has to do with 'Hindutva'?


>This idea of nation
>based state is in strong conflict with the ideological state as
>propagated by Islam. 
>
>
>This is the root of the conflict. Pakistan, kashmir, Bangladesh,
>personal laws, RJB-BM are all merely the symptoms of this central 
>conflict.

> [stuff deleted]. ..
>
>---raj


       1. What is the the 'ideological state as propogated by Islam'
	  you are refering to? Can you be more specific.
	  And in what way does it differ from the
	  'nation-based-state' philosophy of Hindutva?


       2. Are you implying that,
	  If somebody is a "true" follower of Islamic religion,
          it neccesarily implies that (s)he has no other choice
	  but to demand for an "Islamic State"  and hence, muslims
	  cannot be secular?

	  
       3. An more importantly, how RELEVANT is this question
	  in modern India?
	  (If you feel that it is so, you should be somehow
	  implying that currently a majority of Indian muslims
	  are engaged in the task of establishing an
	  "Islamic State" in India? Do you think so?)


-srinivas.
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sanjeev Mahajan in his own words.
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:12:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

I think Mr. Ajay Dibakaran of IPSG (someone wrote like that) would
like to have a first glimpse of Sanjeev Mahajan in his own words. 
There is much more that he is capable of. Generally I would not 
have done this, to repost somebody's writings to suit a specific
argument. It is not a good practice. I donot believe that it should
be the practice on sci. However there seems to be a concerted action
by some elements of sci that seems to be politically  well oiled.
That is, there is some organized attempt. In such a case, it is illustrative
to know the guy.

--------------------------cut-----here-------------

From scylla!psinntp!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!zeus.tamu.edu!n0r1688 Tue Jan 14 10:39:34 EST 1992
Article: 10847 of soc.culture.indian
From: n0r1688@zeus.tamu.edu (RAGHUNAND, NATARAJAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sanjeev Mahajan@sfu, commie, etc.
Date: 9 Jan 92 21:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jan7.203110.19215@cs.sfu.ca>, mahajan@cs.sfu.ca 
(Sanjeev Mahajan) writes...
> 
>Not only am I a commie but I am a godless commie. Does this info. burn your
>ass even more now? 

Not really, I am `godless' myself. Anyway, I'm happy to know that I was able to
identify you as a commie, just by the elaborate huffing and puffing that you
commies like to use as day-to-day language. (Glad to know that my commie-alert
systems are functioning okay). Anyway, I won't bash you anymore --- your type
is an endagered species, as it is.

My ass is cool Mahajan ..... you can kiss it now.

-Raghu
From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Islam - a religion that breeds trouble
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:09:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan24.203054.5375@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma) writes:
>		....
>	Aren't we all to be blamed for what happens in the world?
>	       ^^^^^^

	Then who the heck's doing all the laughing ?

	Only Samit's dotsig knows :)





        Bcase nardix  :)
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (partha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BJP
Keywords: BJP
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:49:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

in other words what naga@jtown.Eng.Sun.Com wrote is:

O Lord Clinton, please take India over..


;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Re: Cong-I and Rape of a wife
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44:35 GMT

In article <93024.203502U52931@uicvm.uic.edu> U52931@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

 |
 |This not my own Idea but at a gettogather an oldfriend of my father told us thi
 |s story, He was born in what is today Pakistan and from Lahore he moved to US i
 |n year 48.
 |
 |	     This a story of a lady who is raped by her husbands friend, she trie
 |s to tell her husband that his friend is giving her problems but the husband ke
 |eps ignoring the matter adds that how could he be, he is the best person I know
 |in the whole world.
 |
 |		     But she did finally got raped and when she told her husband
 |about it he balmmed it on her. but to show everyone else in the nighborhood he
 |cries Rape- my wife is been raped.
 |
 |	    Now lets just change these people around put Conggress insted of the
 |husband put India in place of the wife and you can chose from a varity of frien
 |ds of conggress I to fit that spot.
 |
 |	     A small list is
 |
 |	    1. Sant Bhindrewalle  (created by Indira Gandhi) 1980-83.
 |	       created and installed then killed by her majesty.
 |
 |	    2. Kashmir problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
 |	       Created by Nehru, kept healthy by the chain of Nehru family rule
 |
 |	    3. RJB problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
 |	       he kept the problem alive even when he had a chance to solve it ba
 |ck in 1947. Conggress still keeping this problem alive to secure it's muslim vo
 |te bank.
 |	    4. Article 356/357 (Pandit J.L Nehru)
 |	       It is a temp article and again it's there just to keep the problem
 |alive.
 |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |He gave me many reasons but for now think this is enough.
 |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |
 | Jai Hind.
 |		      Amit.


That is an excelent article. That is exactly what I was trying to stay.
To this whole list I would Add Assam too. Created By Seperation, 
Made worse by Indira, and kept alive by all others..

I invite Deb da to reply to this artile, mind you not this one but the
original.
--
With regards
 
SUPRATIC GUPTA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:17:56 GMT

(B Chandrasekaran) writes:

>You say we have failed with "the western model for 45 years."  Let us
>say you are right, and we want to restore the Indian model.  What is
>it going to be?  The Indian model of the 17th-18th centuries which
>directly led to a takeover of a few hundred million people by European
>invaders totaling several thousand?  I would say that it was a failed
>model.  The India model of the 13th-16th centuries which led to the
>take over a few hundred million people by invaders from Muslim lands?
>I would say that it was a failed model as well.  Clearly there was
>something wrong with the Indian model *before* the arrival of the
>foreigners, since in fact that was the culture that *succumbed* to the
>foreigners.  Exactly what point in history do you want to go back to
>as the Indian model that succeeded?
>
>I have a feeling that whatver "Indian model" we are going to adopt isn't
>going to correspond to any real Indian past,  but to one subgroup's
>political construction of a pseudo-past.   

Sorry to waste bandwidth yet again with duplication of another post.
But Prof. Chandrasekaran has stated the case so beautifully that I
just had to congratulate him publicly.

Good Job,
Sanjoy Ghosh
From: unmesh@sgi.com (Unmesh Agarwala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Need help finding new exchange number for Churchgate, Bombay
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:13:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.asd.sgi.com
Summary: What have 22-xxxx and 23-xxxx become

It appears that the 22 and 23 exchanges in Churchgate area of Bombay
have been changed, probably to some 3 digit prefix.  Since directory
inquiry in Bombay is not answering the phone, I was hoping someone
on the net might know the new prefixes and help me get through to a
friend in that area.

The numbers that I have for him were good a year ago but there is dead
silence at the other end of the line on an international call now, leading
me to believe that the phone system is waiting for an additional digit.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

-Unmesh
From: VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: For a break...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:22:27 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	The Boston Globe, Livng/Arts, Page 27 of Wednesday January 20
issue covers (full page) some Fun Facts about the First Family.  

	I thought at least few of SCIndia readers would enjoy these.

William Jefferson Clinton:

	Birthday            : Aug 19, 1946
	Secret Service Name : Eagle
	
Hillary Rodham Clinton:

	Birthday           : Oct 26, 1947
	College Boyfriend  : Geaffrey Shields, Harvard (now Chicago lawyer)
	Fun fact           : wore 4.25-carat diamond (borrowed) to inagural
	Political nicknames:  Lady Macbeth of Little Rock
                              Yuppie wife from Hell              

Chelsea Victoria Clinton:

	Birthday           : Feb 27, 1980
	Immediate goal     : to get ears pierced
	Fun fact           : Wrote to President Regan in 1985, discouraging 
                             visit to Nazi gravesite (Reagan never wrote back)

Socks Clinton:

	Sex                : Male
	Reproductive Status: Neutered
	Fun fact           : Cover boy Januar '93 Cats magazine
	Hobbies            : Hunting birds and squirrels
	Ambition           : privacy, fat book contract

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 21
From: rky0742@hertz.njit.edu (J a M m B a Z z)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Are laser disks of the Hindi movies available in the market?
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:05:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <C183DG.E6F@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> smp@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis) writes:
>I would like to know if laser disks (video disks) of the Hindi movies are
>available in the U.S. or Indian markets.  If available how much they cost?
>
>All comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.
>
>Shailesh

Yes, they are available. "Esquire" is the main vendor. 
I do not know who is the distributor in your area, but
in NJ/NY there are quite a few titles available.
Few of them are: Sholay, Hum, Lamhe, Maine Pyar Kiya, etc.
One can rent them for $3 per night. 

Reminder: If you think that on laser disc you will see
a tremendous difference in the picture quality, you are
mistaken. It is not like western production/effects/whatever.
Sound quality was the major difference I found. 

Or it could be the fact that I watched Terminator 2 ,
right after "Hum". :) Anyway, give it a try, you will see...

-raju.


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From: skonda@eng.auburn.edu (Srikanth Konda)
Subject: Indian Express Advertisement
Reply-To: skonda@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:18:23 GMT


If you disagree with the contents of the advertisement published in Indian Express, well, you can also collect some money and publish advertisements condemning RSS/BJP/VHP. (lot of revenue for Indian newspapers)

But if you don't like the idea of publishing/posting, or if your present state of mind can not tolerate the freedom of expression(simply because it is against your view), some thing is wrong with you. this is basically signs of communism.

I fully support the freedom of expression.  You people did organize meetings, publish full page ads in news papers, organized  write-a-letter-campaign to the Indian consulate.

Why are you cribbing about that Ad.  

I whole heartedly support that Advertisement, Ajay shah, RSS, RJB and also freedom of your expression.

srikanth
(skonda@eng.auburn.edu)

* History does not merely happen; it is made to happen- Dec 6 '92 Ayodhya.

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