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From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:41:39 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory

> >One woman I knew assured me that I'd *know* if I was in labor. Idiot.
> >That's true in most cases, but pre-term labor can be painless, and
> >you want to be sure about that sort of thing before it's too late.
> >
> >Paula Burch
> >pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
>  
> Paula is right!  My preterm labor was entirely painless.  In fact,
> I didn't often even notice the contractions.  This was my third pregnancy,
> so I knew first hand what contractions feel like.  If you feel uneasy,
> talk to your dr.  It's better to be safe than sorry.

I, too, have been experiencing A LOT of Braxton-Hicks contractions. I've
talked
about them regularly with my doctor who has assured me that, as another
poster
said, I'd just have a strong uteris & quick delivery. I have, at times,
been 
paniced that I won't know when real labor starts. Especially since the baby
has been riding right on my pubic bone for the last month. I finally made
an
unscheduled run to my doctor's office. When I got examined I had started to
efface, but was between 1.5 - 2cm dialated. At least I know that the baby
was not preparing to fall out immediately :->

Susan Dewey
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi)
Subject: BABIES AND READING/TV
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:40:27 GMT


Hi,
  My son, Alexander, will be 21 months at the end of January. He is a pretty
active child, not one to sit still and play with trucks, building blocks,
etc... He prefers to run around and "investigate" areas of the house - opening
drawers, climbing on chairs (sturdy chairs we've given to him), playing with
pots and pans, etc...  The kind of child whose idea of fun is to just play
tag and hide-and-seek for hours, or dance to music (he just started that).  
  Anyhow, I have a question - should I be making more of an effort to sit and 
read with him, or let him watch a disney video once in a while. He has very 
little interest in books, won't sit still to look at them, and we VERY rarely 
turn on the tv for him, so he has little interest in that. 
  However, a few of the mothers at daycare say things like, "Oh, Johnny just
loves his 'XYZ' book, and laughs so hard when his sees that 'XYZ' video!"
These are babies even a few months younger than Alexander!  Alexander doesn't
know the names of very many objects yet - is this because I don't read to
him? I talk with him a lot (well, I talk and he jabbers back in response) 
and always point out objects to him.  
  Speaking of "jabber", I just thought of a funny thing - sometimes, Alexander
will grab something he's not supposed to. I'll take it away and of course he
gets upset. He then stands there and with this very serious expression starts
reprimanding and scolding me in "jabber" for taking away the object. It's
hilarious! A couple of times I even got "the finger shake" along with his
scolding! I guess I tend to shake my finger a couple of times when I say "no"
to him. I've got to stop that, because when he did it back to me I realized
how dumb it looks!

		       Thanks, 
			 Carla
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: ! ! ! STOLEN BABIES ! ! !
Keywords: baby, steal, safety, security
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:02:10 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:

> I could be wrong but baby-stealing does NOT appear to be a common thing.
> The times I _have_ heard of it happening, it has _always_ been a case
> of someone abducting the child from the hospital shortly after the birth.
> 
> This stands to reason.  Kidnapping is an extremely risky procedure.  
> 
> I would relax, honestly.  Abduction by strangers is very uncommon.  I know
> what you may be feeling; even though my daughter is almost 6, when she
> goes out the door to walk across the street to her friends house 100 feet
> away, I watch until I see her go inside.  We live in a very safe area
> but there's always a bit of unrestrained parental paranoia in my brain.
> But don't let it dominate your life.

A few months ago, someone on alt.folklore.urban posted and said that
they called the FBI up and asked them about kidnapping statistics in
the USA. It seems the FBI has a special category for kidnappings in
which a member of the immediate family is not a suspect. Under that
category, for the year of (I think it was) 1991, the number of such
kidnappings in the United States was something like 83.

While I'll readily agree that that's 83 more than there should have
been, it does indicate that instances of people being kidnapped by
strangers are rather less common than one might be led to believe by
those pictures of missing children on milkcartons (most of whom are,
according to my father, who recently retired from the Illinois Dept.
of Children and Family Services and who should know, children who have
been abducted by one parent or the other in the wake of a nasty divorce/
custody battle).

So I think Paul's advice above is very good.

Craig
-- 
-- "You will have the tallest,    Craig Becker, Object Technology Products --
--  darkest leading man in               Internet: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com --
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Circumcision and Anti semetism?
Keywords: Circ
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: default
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:11:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <gdavis.726427057@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:

> Re: My comments about Parent's magazine... what was met was that many
>yuppie parents both Jewish and otherwise read and believe the rather
>party-line (old ideas about the necessity of circumcision).
>It was not intended as anti-semitic in anyway,but as a person who has
>studied the issue of circumcision for some years I would be dishonest
>and politically correct if I said Jews are nuetral when discussing
>the topic. Many leave this procedure as a cultural ritual,but I have
>seen many Jews who are also magazine publishers,physcians and so forth,
>attempt to justify circumcision medically!! This is what annoys me.
>Jewish people have a bias concerning the subject just as surely as
>Catholics have a bias concerning abortion. 

If I understand correctly both the Jewish and Muslim Religions require
Circumcision.

>The dishonest and biased coverage concerning circumcision in PARENTS 
>has let me over a period of years to ponder why they have yet to do a
>balanced and factual article on the subject. The magazine has more
>than 60% of its executives who are apparently Jewish.

I consider this an ANTI-SEMITIC comment.  You are assuming that because the
editors have traditional Jewish names that they are Jewish, You are
assuming that the editors suspend their required editorial objectivity
because of their religious persuasion.  IMHO if a person is willing
to display a mild bias for all to see then a stronger bias lays below
the surface. I hope this is not true in your case.

>If anyone has an alternative hypothesis of why PARENTS is so PRO
>circumcision let me know! (Let the NET know too)
>Lets not be to quick to assert anti- anything... we all are human and
>with many of us religion and culture cloud objective thinking in many
>areas. Circumcision is perhaps a prime case in point!

Check the Boston Globe for January 7, 1993 and you will find an article documenting
that the chances of PENILE CANCER are three times greater for non-circumcised
men then for circumcised men. IN general the attitude is that the foreskin
no longer provides any useful function in a modern society and some cases
makes the chance of infection greater, this coupled with a general cultural
bias among all americans towards Circumcision ( I want my Son to look like
me) Has led to a generally accepted attitude that circumcision is part of
the process of bringing a male baby into america today.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun)
Subject: Re: Breastfeed, Go to Jail (Was: Protecting your family...)
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:47:00 GMT

In <1993Jan6.232313.19989@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>I can vouch for that article since I live in Onondaga County and saw the
>original story in the local papers.

>HOWEVER...(you knew that if I was writing there had to be a "however,"
>didn't you)...let's get a little perspective on this.

>What do I mean?  Very simple...in *one* place, *one* hairball public
>official was stupid enough to charge a woman who was breastfeeding with
>child abuse, and was then pigheaded enough to not back down once it
>should've been obvious to all that it was all a mistake.  Does this have the
>markings of a trend?

There's something else too.  It wasn't *just one hairball*.  From my reading
of the article, this little circus was perpetrated not by just one misguided
(but well meaning) DSS employee, but by the policies and procedures of the
entire department.  Clearly, the problem isn't so much that there's a 
misguided public employee; the problem is that the misguided employee has
access to so much un-restrained power.

Furthermore, this little charade involved not only the Department of Social
Services, it also included at least one Family Court judge who first
allowed the thing to go on far longer than it should have, and then
found Perrigo guilty of neglect.

Sounds like the problem might be systemic...

Just my opinion
-Paul

-- 

goes to show, you don't ever know...
grun@intellistor.com
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:05:41 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

I'd like to raise my hand with the homebirthers.  We had decided to have a
home birth with our third child.  It was perfect.  The midwife was incredible.
The other two were hospital births and my wife was in labor for over ten hours
with those.  The homebirth was less than 5.  My wife is not big (5'5") and this
baby was 11.3 lbs.  Baby came out with no complications, no interference.

Rich.  Proud husband and father of 3.
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sibling Rivalry
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:50:20 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov



>Has anyone else noticed that the real problem with sibling rivalry isn't
>the older child jealous because of bringing a new baby into the home, but
>the younger child jealous because her older sibling can do so much more, has
>so much more, gets ANY attention at all, etc.?

> <stuff deleted> sunday school story follows
>...Two brothers were being given balloons and the
>wise grandfather went to the youngest brother to allow him to pick which
>balloon he wanted first.  After awhile the youngest brother looked perplexed
>and said, "I want HIS balloon."

this is exactly the relationship between my two kids..
david 6yo and his younger sister laura 4yo. he is tolerant
of her constant wrestling and hugging him..up to a point
then he sits on her. she whines/cries. i ignore it.

she also asks for whatever he has .. toast for breakfast
(she hates it but if david has it that's what she wants).
i had to explain to david she wasn't teasing him by the
constant mimicing. 

i am grateful that laura is the second child. she is
much more "assertive" and if she were the older one,
david (who is mellow and easy-going) would have been
terribly dominated. as it is laura being the younger
one is getting good training in patience.

..just one reason for having two kids!

-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
From: CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:11:31 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan7.211927.23169@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
>> wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
>> cleaning frenzy.  So, Teresa, if you get that urge to clean the floor in
>
>This is true, it's called "nesting" -- the sudden energy burst that some
>pregnant women get just prior to going into labor, the urge to prepare the
>nest and clean up for the newborn.  Our Lamaze instructor spoke about it,
>said to be on the lookout if suddenly "mom" is cleaning out closets or
>scrubbing floors, laudering curtains, etc etc.  Not everyone experiences
>this, but it does happen (she said it happened to her twice).
>
>Christine
>due in 12 days and waiting for the burst of cleaning frenzy energy to hit me
>

My mother-in-law nested for me!  We went shopping and to lunch
together a week before the baby was due.  I was having very mild,
but very regular contractions, which I thought were braxton-hicks
because it was early (this was my first baby), and they were so
unpainful.  I mentioned them to my mil, and she asked me about them
occasionally during the day.  Finally, when we got back to my house
she said, "Maybe we should wash some of those baby clothes you've
gotten as shower gifts and set up a changing area and the bassinet.
 I really think you're going to have a baby tonite!"  And I'm so
glad she helped me get set up, because, she was right.
Linda
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: **NEW MOMMY NEEDS HELP!!**
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:50:42 GMT

In article <29077@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
>>Breast-feeding (which I'm still mulling over) versus formula-feeding
>
>Although obviously every woman has to decide what is best for her and
>her family, there is absolutely no question that breastfeeding is best
>for the baby.  (I am more than slightly fanatical on this subject,
>though, as any regular misc.kids reader knows)  I happen to have this
>on-line:
>
While this information sounds really good, and I'm sure that it is accurate,
(except that I take exception to the part about helping lose the weight)
There's one thing that you should consider...your babys CHOICE ina ll this.
I nursed my first extremely successfully, loved it (convenient, immunities, and
all that great stuff--didn't help lose the weight at all) however, my second
had OTHER ideas.  He did NOT like the breast.  He fought it and cried every
step of the way.  After less that two weeks I just had to give it up.  I
cried for two days.  I couldn't bring myself to give him that first bottle--
too many tears.  He took to the bottle with absolutely no problem and while
bottle-feeding isn't as convenient as breast- it's a damn sure sight better
than putting up with a baby who doesn't want the breast.

I guess what I've learned is this: plan on breast feeding, but don't make
it your only option.  Keep your mind open as your baby may have other plans.
You'll spare yourself many a crying session, believe me.

Jennifer
BTW, after the second (the one on Isomil) I lost the weight by 6 weeks.  I'm
still working to lose the weight from the first (3.5 YEARS ago)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashwin@gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Subject: Brown birthmark
Reply-To: ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, College of Computing
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:08:57 GMT

A friend of mine in India has a baby daughter who has a brown birthmark that
starts near the center of her forehead, comes down the bridge of her nose,
curves around her left eye pretty close to the eye, and goes till about the
middle of the eye.  The baby has typical brown Indian skin, and the birthmark
is a little bit darker than her skin.  Their pediatrician calls it a "brown
spot"; to me, it looked like it fit the description of what some books call a
cafe au lait spot or a chocolate mark.  It does not appear to be a "port wine
stain".

What are the prospects for such a birthmark?  Will it disappear?  If not, is
there anything that can be done to fade or remove it?  At what age should it
be done and does the procedure leave a scar?

Thanks,
Ashwin.
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: She's back!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:38:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: judy@locus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


Dear Misc.kidders,

I heard that there were some nasty rumors that I had "disappeared".  Well,
no, I was just home in bed with pneumonia.  But apparently the world has
changed during my month off.  LCC is losing its news feed temporarily.  I
am unable to post news at the moment and will soon be unable to read it.  This
promises to be a temporary situation, but I did want to say I am still on
the planet.  I guess someone else will have to provide the voice of reason
now ;-).

Judy Leedom Tyrer

P.S.  I can still be reached by e-mail to judy@locus.com.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:43:04 GMT

In article <1iknn9INN6p4@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>Laura Floom writes:
>>>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>>>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>>>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>>>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. 
>
>(Hi Laura!)  Every time I hear about this question, I have the same
>thought:  how many babies out there will even sleep on their backs?
>My first two would _not_ settled down unless they were on their
>stomachs, and still won't sleep on their backs.  My third was the
>only one who ever slept on his back (and does now), and even he 
>slept better initially on his stomach. 
>
>Being asleep on one's back is a vulnerable position; presumably
>evolutionary forces would have worked to weed out that preference.
>
>Sue  
>

As a young baby Melinda definitely prefered sleeping on her back.
Now that she's got control of her position, she seems to prefer
her side.  But I've noticed she flips around quite a lot.
Elise
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:22:47 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


I wonder if the Schoo case is something really rare, or if it's more common
than we think and they just happened to get caught.

I heard a talk by a San Jose police officer one time.  He told about driving
by a bowling alley at its closing time.  There were several kids hanging
around outside.  (Now I gather that these were teens, younger teens, not
9 year olds, but to get on with the story...)  He asked if they needed a ride
home; they said no their friends were coming soon to take them to a party.
After some discussion about what they meant by a "party" they more or less
said it was a party where there would be girls and alcohol and maybe
other drugs.  He asked if their parents knew where they were.  They
said no, their parents were in Palm Springs for the weekend.  More
conversation, and it seems their parents go to Palm Springs every weekend,
and have never taken the kids with them.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:07:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

In article <93009.101233LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET writes:
>Regarding changing clothes before bed.  Lisa asked if it is okay to leave

I used to put Kevin to bed with whatever he was wearing, as long as
it was clean and dry as you say.  Now that he is eating 3 meals
a day, they clothes at the end of the day need changing, and
usually he needs a bath also.  He is now 7 1/2 months old, and I
have been doing this about a month now.  Then in the morning,
he wears his jammies until after his morning nap (usually awakens
at 10:30 or 11:00am) and that is when I put on his clothes.
He is also on a bit of a schedule so it is easier to know
when he is really going to sleep for the night.  

Hooray!  He has slept through the night for two nights in a row,
after drinking the hypoallergenic formula for the last 4 days!

Valerie
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:01:23 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <WDN.93Jan4215532@beach.cis.ufl.edu>, wdn@beach.cis.ufl.edu (William Dean Norris II) writes:
> If GOD had intended boys to be circumcised they would be born without a penis.
> :\

If God had intended that boys NOT be circumcised he would have made the
foreskins out of steel plate. 

Makes about as much sense as the majority of this thread so far. 


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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:45:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I didn't get involved in the Chanukah-Christmas
dominant culture-diversity discussions, but
this story is related (and funny) so I thought
I'd share it post-season:

my 8 year old (Jewish) niece asked her parents:

"Can there be such a thing as a *Jewish* virgin?"

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:51:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.201144.12488@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>                                                 Another thing I wonder about
> it the startle mechanism that is instinctive in most babies. Isnt that 
> supposed to be worse when they are on their backs? Wont it interfere with 
> thier sleep? Jeffrey did it alot when he was being held. (for those that 
> dont know what I am talking about, young infants will be lying there 
> relaxed, possibly sleeping, and all of a sudden they will jerk, as if 
> startled.)
> >
> Laura Floom
> 
> 
Why DO they do that?  It scares the heck out of me!!  Is it reflexes?

Beth