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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.144904.203936@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:
>  " He might be good, but he's not as great
>    as the driver who drives Number 28"
>
>  " You want to cheer, but you have to boo
>    for the driver who drives that ugly 2"
>
>    Go Davey beat Howdy Doody # 11

Ohhhh....gaawwwwwdddd!  I can't resist:

"A little spark, a little coil, a little gas, a little oil, a piece of
tin and a two foot board, put 'em together and you've got a Ford"

or

"There was an old man and he had a wooden leg, a ride he couldn't steal
a ride he couldn't beg.  But he got hisself some wire and an old tin
can, built hisself a Ford and the damn thing ran"

some assorted Ford folklore from the owner
of two
-cball-

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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:04:59 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
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Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA


  Just got word last night that its offical! McDonalds will be the sponser
 of Junior Johnsons 2nd car in 1993. The #27 (yes Rusty's old number ;-)
 will be driven by Hut Stricklin! Rumors have the #22 staying with Maxwell
 House and moving to a new team driven by Bobby Labonte.

 -Dan
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From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:52:34 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 92Oct6000728@rle-vlsi.mit.edu, lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis
Miguel Silveira) writes:

> Wasn't Mosley the second man at FOCA for many many years (even before
> the FISA-FOCA conflicts of the yearly 80's erupted).

True, and there was some concern expressed when he ran against Balestre
that he would simply be "Bernie's man."  My impression (possibly
mistaken) is that the consensus since his election has been more
favorable (on this point at least).

There's no need to invoke conspiracy when convergence of interest is
sufficient.  Mansell's move to IndyCars must be highly alarming to
Bernie, Max, and most of the team owners in F1.  It will invite racing
fans, and more importantly racing sponsors, to take another look at
what is (in some areas) a competing product.  Remember, at this level
it's *all* about money.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Sloppy thinking gets worse over time
				- Jenny Holzer


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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Buick leaves Indycar
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:19:57 GMT

A brief article in today's (Wednesday) Montreal Gazette says that
Buick is pulling out of the Indycar series and will concentrate on the
IndyLights instead.

Tim
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From: st1hg@jetson.uh.edu (Atteberry, Charles R.)
Subject: Berger and the accident
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:16:00 GMT

Funny when ever I go into the pits I raise my right arm above the 
cockpit so others behind can see I am slowing down.  It has been my 
experience that other drivers practice this same tecnique. \
I have seen the tape Berger made now indication (other than application
of the brakes) that he was going into the pits.  Patrese had been  
hounding Berger for the previous laps filling both mirrors on occasion.
Berger had to know a pass was imminent.  What Berger did was STUPID 
whether he did it on purpose, one could hope not.  In my view he should
be fined for not signalling.  If Patrese had followed a few more feet to
the left his flight would have hit the pit wall more squarely and the
result would have been bad.  He was lucky to clip the wall with his 
wheel otherwise he would have been on his top!
Don't get me wrong I don't hate Berger I think he is a nice guy and that
his actions are in his behaviour.  I just think he made a stupid mistake
I don't think he was out to kill Ricardo.
                                      Mac.

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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI - F1 points
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:58:30 GMT

F 1 Standings as of 05-oct-1992
(Albuquerque Journal)

1.	Nigel Mansell		Williams-Renault	108
2.	Ayrton Senna		McLaren-Honda		 50
3.	Michael Schumacher	Benetton-Ford		 47
4.	Riccardo Patrese	Williams-Renault	 46
5.	Gerhard Berger		McLaren-Honda		 33

6.	Martin Brundle		Benetton-Ford		 30
7.	Jean Alesi		Ferrari			 13 
8.	Mika Hakkinen		Lotus-Ford		 11
9.	Michele Alboreto	Footwork-Mugen		  6
10.	Andrea de Cesaris	Tyrrell-Ilmor		  6

11.	Erik Comas		Ligier-Renault		  5
12.	Ivan Capelli		Ferrari			  3
12.	Karl Wendlinger		March-Ilmor		  3
14.	Johnny Herbert		Lotus-Ford		  2
14.	Pierluigi Martini	Dallara-Ferrari		  2

16.	Bertrand Gachot		Venturi-Lamborghini	  1

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From: skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motormedia help please
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:31:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: trenco
Summary: here's some more info...
Keywords: Motormedia,McLaren,Hulme

Sorry to clog the net with this- but reply mail bounced. I guess that
our site isn't very well connected...

In article <geoff.61.718322576@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU> you write:
>I am hoping a UK reader may be able to confirm if Eoin S. Young's
>Motormedia Limited Specialist Bookbroking Service still exists.
>
>The address I have from 1982 is
> P.O. Box 3,
> East Horsley,
> Surrey, UK.

Yes, that's still correct. The postal code is KT24 5RL, also. And
their FAX number is 011-44-4865-5257. They even take Visa and
Mastercard...

Good people, as you know- they now have 2 catalogs. One is 88 pages
of rare motoring titles, and the other is 96 pages of "memorabilia":
patches, autographs, floobydust like that.

Hope this helps!

-skod

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From: raineyd@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Dan Rainey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: race car project: ITB Alfetta Sedan
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:16:06 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


 Sorry for the mispelling and missing sentance. Any way after the 
 motor and such is complete and installed. I install all the gages wire and    
 plumbing then I set the adjust the seat pull it out then paint the out side
 of the car add decals and sponcors then reinstall the seat and you should
 be done . untile you get to the track to set it up with the proper tire
 set up. I hope this helps a little.
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:55:35 GMT

From article <MARTIN.92Sep29154117@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>, by martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen):

> I think this way of "keeping another driver behind" should have consequences,
> at least for the ongoing race. But instead Berger walks away with six points,
> his best finish this season. He could have killed Patrese ...
> 
> Martin.
> --

Berger won in Canada this year.  Neither Williams driver or Senna
finished that day.

Ross Taylor

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From: scw54193@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nsane )
Subject: Does any one ever talk about.......
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:37:00 GMT

Is the topic of drag racing ever discussed in this group?  I see many posts
about Indy and NASCAR, but what about the NHRA?

Just Curious.


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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo   (410)338-4577)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:    top 5 drivers,top 3 tracks
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD

In article 153724BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu, <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:

>   Well, here's my take on this:
>   CURRENT Drivers:
>   1. Bill Elliott
>   2. Davey Allison
>   3. Dale Earnhardt
>   4. Alan Kulwicki
>   5. Harry Gant
>
>   Tracks:
>   1. Dover
>   2. Talledega
>   3. Michigan
> Brian ' NASCAR is number 1, PERIOD! ' France



Ah! Yes. Now there is a truly broad view of the world of motorsports.

France huh? Any relation???
From: tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Portugal 
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:53:10 +0300
Organization: City of Tampere

-- 
I assume Team Lotus has done some significant improvements to their
powerline .I mean how it's possible that Hakkinen said  he had
absolutely no problems to follow Berger ? I remember earlier this season
Lotus was left far behind just because of the lack of power.
Too bad Hakkinen lost his 4th gear and coudn't keep up with the others.
He also broke his side mirror and the band that keeps the helmet steady
in high speed curves. 
The other Finnish driver JJ Lehto had to leave the race because trans axel
from Patreses car hit the bottom of his car. The axel came trough the bottom
and Lehtos seat causing some bruises to his feet. Fortunately the axel didn't
hit his Family Jewels. (absolutely no smiley)

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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:16:27 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

From article <1992Sep28.004928.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, by afinlayson@kean.ucs.mun.ca:
>>>
>>>Patrese had a nasty accident when running into Berger's back as Berger
>>>turned into the pits, around lap 40. But fortuantely Patrese walked away
>> 
> No, Berger was not affected (sic) as evidenced by his finishing position.
> What appeared to happen was that Patrese (who had been right up Berger's
> pipes after a 15 sec. tire stop) had been trying to get around Gerhard for 
> rather too many laps.  Coming on to the front straight, R.P. pulled out to
> G.B's left to pass just as G.B. lifted to head for the pits.  R.P's 
> right front hit G.B's left rear and the Williams launched in spectacular
> and *very* frightening fashion.  From the replay of the camera behind the 
> incident, it looked as if R.P. was actually upside down in the air.  How
> he ever landed right side up and walked away, albeit rather unsteadily,
> is a bloody marvel.  As to what happened to Alesi, well, he was driving
> a Ferrari...:-)  Cheers! Chris Finlayson
 
Patrese's little flying lesson was a motor racing accident of the highest order,
in which you drop your spoon of Froot Loops and yell "HOLY SHIT!" at the TV.  
The angle from the end of the front straight wasn't too clear(the cameraman got
spooked and panned a bit too far), but the BBC live feed(Anik 1, tr. 17 for you
satellite folks) showed it from the camera inside the 180-degree corner before
the straight.  From this view it's frighteningly clear that Riccardo was about 
a fourth of the way past vertical, and would have landed on his head if the 
car hadn't come down and caught the rear on the ground when it did.  The BBC
live feed didn't show this shot until the end of the race, CBC didn't show it,
and I didn't have a tape yesterday morning, so I'll have to watch the ESPN show
and hope to get it there.   

I didn't join the live feed till the sixth lap, so why did Schumacher start
in 25th position?  He qualified around 5th.


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
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From: denis@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer)
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Keywords: Mansell/Prost/Senna 
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:29:42 GMT

...
>
>	Frank Williams doesn't owe anyone SHIT!!!!!! If Mansell wasn't
>there, Williams' would probably still won the championship by virtue of
>the FW14B. From most published reports, the most recent of which is the
>one in AutoWeek by Nigel Roebuck, Mansell pushed his luck too far, and
>Frank backed away. Yes, Mansell has done a superb job for him this year,
>but that does not mean Frank should be required to cater to Mansell's
>every whim (5 extra hotel rooms per race!). It is sad that Mansell will
>be departing and most probably Senna as well. A damn shame, really. But,
>I guess we'll just have to get used to it...
>
>TOBY...
>

I agree with you Toby. I did not say that Frank owe something to Mansell.
I was defending Mansell's right to quit or do anything he wants with his
career as well as Senna with his.
Frank is also part of the show.
I just didn'd agree with duane telling bad things about them all.
They can ask what they want. I sure the sponsors and teams will give no
more than they deserve.

                       Denis Schiozer

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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why? [IndyCar]
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Oct 1992 15:26 EST  

In article <5OCT199221582602@utarlg.uta.edu>, b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George 
M. Smiley) writes...
>In article <1992Oct5.173110.29129@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) 
>writes...
>>Given that Al Jr. was leading the points (by one) going
>>into this weekend's Nazareth race, I'm somewhat amazed that
>>Galles chose this time to shake-out the new chassis.  Yes,
>>it had been planned for awhile, but if I were Rick and/or Al,
>>I think I would've decided against it and stayed with the '92
>>chassis.  Of course it's 20/20, but I feel that Al would've had
>>a better run than he did, thereby gaining more points.

>Perhaps Galles has to make a decision on which chassis to run next year 
>and the longer he puts that decision off, the more money it costs him.
>I think the results would of been the same. It is my understanding that
>the 93 is only a slight departure from the 92 and is no worse (and perhaps
>no better) than the 92. Certainly, if it were worse, Sullivan would of
>drew the test duty. As it stands, both chassis need fine tuning when
>it comes to high speed turns. Not being able to trust the car during
>turns at Nazareth in traffic had to be scary. 

To be somewhat kind, the '92 Galmer was/is not exactly the best short oval 
chassis around.  The more that I think about it, if the early developmental 
work on the '93 indicated that it would perform better than the '92 on a 
one mile oval, why not use it?  Although Al didn't exactly have a 
spectacular performance in the '93, he certainly fared better than Danny 
did in the '92 (not to say that the two drivers have comparable ability).

>On a related note, how good is the Truesports chassis ? Rahal seemed
>to think it worth risking next years title hopes (he has to be the
>favorite with Andretti gone) on. I have not been keeping tabs on Pruett
>so I can't comment. I just hope he isn't trying to relive the glory
>days with Jim Trueman through this move. (It will still be the sharpest
>looking car with that Miller Genuine Draft paint job on it :-)

Bobby appeared to know what he was doing when he left Galles to basically 
run his own team, so I have a hunch that he might know what he is doing by 
going to the Truesports chassis.  The real question may be why teams are 
abandoning the Lola chassis.  With the major "Chevy" teams driving non-Lola 
chassis.  Coincidence?

JD
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Subject: Mansell left because of Prost?
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 17:07:00 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Well, as I've said twice before (last week and a month ago),
I still think that it is because of Prost, that Mansell left
Williams.  I'm sure that Prost has claimed to be the first
Williams driver, and Mansell did not want to be second.
 
This explains Mansell nodding his head off, when Senna was angry
at Prost in the post race interview in Portugal.
(Senna said: Prost only wants to run the 100 meters sprint when
he is on running shoes and all others are on lead shoes.)
 
Frans (a735fjo@hasara11.bitnet)
From: igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:59:29 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Sep28.061139.26234@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> Senna's very candid post-race interview where he blasted Alain Prost
> for being a coward in having to put second driver veto clauses for both

I'm sure Derek Warwick is full of sympathy for Senna's position.  It
must be breaking his heart.

ian
From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Bathurst unofficial practice
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:08:24 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

Well its time for the Toohey's 1000 (nee Hardie Ferodo) again.

The big news is that Nissan lost their court case and are running
at the CAMS specified weight and boost.  For those who haven't been
following the Nissan GT-R swept all before it last year and was
handicapped by CAMS (local regulatory body).  They still won the
sprint series earlier this year but claimed the extra weight would
make them dangerous in the endurance rounds and they would not run.
CAMS ignored their pleas so they went to court (under restraint of
trade laws, I think) but lost.  They are running anyway and are
fastest so far - but complaining about the cars handling.

1. Richards/Skaife        Nissan GT-R         2:14.08
2. Johnson/Bowe           Ford Sierra         2:15.76
3. Seton/Alan Jones #     Ford Falcon         2:16.33 *
4. Mezera/Brad Jones      Holden Commodore    2:16.38 *
5. Perkins/Harrington     Holden Commodore    2:16.76
6. Shiel/Crick/McConville Ford Sierra         2:16.84
7. Longhurst/Cecotto      BMW M3              2:16.84
8. Morris/Hulme @         BMW M3              2:17.49
9. Olofsson/Crompton      Nissan GT-R         2:17.78
10.O'Brien/Brabham $      Ford Sierra         2:17.94

# Yes, THAT Alan Jones.
@ And, THAT Denny Hulme.
$ No, not THAT Brabham, one of the young'uns, (I think Gary).

* We wont run Group A next year but a wierdo combination of British
2 litre cars an local Fords and Holdens running U.S. motors.  These
cars are allowed to run here.  The formula has been specially
designed so the big V8s won't be embarrassed by the littlies, with
the result that many potential littlies won't run.  Well done CAMS.

Notably absent from the above list is the privateer GT-R of Gibbs which
qualified 2nd last year.

Notably present in the list are the M3s which will run 2 less pit stops
than the GT-Rs (who should make 5) and probably won't change brake pads.
The Sierras and V8s should make 4 (or maybe 5, the Sierras don't have
a good reputation on tyres at Bathurst and the V8s might need fuel).

Wayne Gardner is running in a privateer Commodore and is 17th so far.

More when I hear it.

Paul
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Martinsville
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:23:04 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM (Shelley Frisch - Sun USOPS WSU Supplier Engineering) writes:

>I went home for lunch and the race is still being delayed.
>
>They do hope to get it in today though.
>
The race has started....at about 1 Cetral Time...a few laps under
Yellow/Green....

 -Steve
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From: cartley@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Buick out of IndyCar?
Summary: Heard Buick is out.
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:21:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

I heard on the radio this morning (KOA, ~6:15) that Buick is pulling out
of IndyCar racing and will concentrate on the Indy-Lights.  This is the
first I've heard of this.  I'd guess that this will have the biggest
effect on the Indianapolis race, since this was the only venue where the
engine was competitive, due to the extra boost.

How soon can Honda be expected to have an Indy engine?
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From: svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal and Schumacher (SPOILER!!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:32:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep29.142755.18457@informatik.uni-ulm.de> rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen) writes:
>
>I did not recognize who was the Benetton driver, but Heinz Prueller,
>who comments the F1 races on ORF2 (Austrian TV) said it was Brundle
>who was a lap behind.
>
>Reinhard Schoen

>(who, of course, is a Schumacher fan)


Brundle was a lap behind, but Shumacher was behind Brundle so he was a 
down too.

 Sirish 
( a Prost Fan...... but a general racing fan first.)

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