HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Re: Spear Guns *FOR SALE*
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:18:28 GMT

drsmith@us.oracle.com (Douglas R. Smith) writes:
>
>I have recently two ScubaPro Magnum 95 spearguns.  (Given to me by fiance's 
>brother.)  Since my fiance and I don't hunt, and Cristmas is right around
>the corner, I thought I'd see if any net-divers out there were interested.


Is this a joke, a misprint or an all-time record for a routing
delay in e-mail?




M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: mfarmer@pdx176.ichips.intel.com (Matt Farmer)
Subject: WANTED: info on diving in Israel
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: rec.scuba
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:39:55 GMT

Hi,

I am planning on going to Israel and would love to get some more info on
diving in Israel from anyone who's been there.  Specifically, I would like to
know where people would recommend diving (I have ellat is great).  Also how
easy is it to rent equipment there (I don't plan to bring more than mask,
snorkel, and fins/booties)?  How reputable are the shops?  Anything else that
might be useful.

all responses welcome!

thanks!

Matt Farmer
mfarmer@ichips.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: clayton@master.lds-az.loral.com (Tom Clayton)
Subject: Info on Diving in Singapore?
Followup-To: rec.scuba
Organization: Loral Defense Systems--Arizona
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:58:01 GMT

Some of my co-workers are going on a short field service assignment to
Singapore.
A couple of them are divers, and are wondering if they should bother taking
their
dive gear with them. Anybody have any info?

Thanks in advance.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: aa372@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Dusseault)
Subject: Re: Shell care
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:07:01 GMT


I agree.  One should not buy shells from locals, nor should people remove
them from the water if there is anything alive in them.  Which was the
case with the shell bought from the native.  Only shells which are
unoccupied should be collected.  The same goes for coral.  Not only is
it degrading to the dive site to pick coral, but it usually goes bad.
Most coral collected by divers is thrown away, so why bother.
-- 

                                                   --- Mike Dusseault ---
CIS: 73150,527
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)
Subject: Don Foster's at Grand Cayman (was Re: Virgin Gorda vs. Grand Cayman)
Summary: Experiences/opinions with Don Foster's at Grand Cayman.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: don foster operation opinion cayman

In article <21JAN199321073625@tennis.tucson.az.us> jms@tennis.tucson.az.us (Patience, unlike stupidity, has its limits) writes:
>In article <BUZZ.93Jan21152507@lion.bear.com>, buzz@bear.com 
>(Buzz Moschetti) writes...
>>For a long weekend (3 days diving, 4 nights), which is better?  I
>>dove GC w/Don Foster's outfit about 3 years ago and it was terrific.
[REMAINDER DELETED]

While I was thrilled to find that a guy at Don Foster's who was able
to repair my dive computer on the spot (the ONLY person on the island at
the time who would/could do so), I would not dive with them again.

Can you say mooooooo?  Yup -- cattle boat!  We had tons of people on
the boat, we were taken to sites ONLY along 7-Mile Beach (can you
say over-dove?), and had to deal with (in our opinion) ridiculous,
overprotective rules (ie. MUST have AT LEAST 1000+ psi upon surfacing,
strictly limited dive-time at Stingray City EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY
12 FEET DEEP, etc.).

Your milage may, of course, vary...
Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
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From: jons@carson.u.washington.edu (Jon Sheriff)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Wanted: Extension tubes.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:31:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I am looking for some used extension tubes for the 35mm Nikonos lens and
haven't been having any luck.  If any readers out there have a set or
individuals which you would like to sell, drop me a line.  I am interested
in the 1:3, 1:2 and 1:1 tubes.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com (Eng Sin Teoh)
Subject: Re: Bad Back
Reply-To: engsin@anjing.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp - Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:33:05 GMT


I know of a friend with a bad back ( not a ruptured disk thought, just
very painful lower back ).  She finally was convince by her diver friends to
see a dive doctor and explain the situation.  

The doctor approved her learning to dive with the proviso that carrying of
tanks (and weight belts ) should be avoided as much as possible.

She now has her tanks taken to the shores/boat  on a little fold-up trolley.
On boat dives, bc removed in water, tied to a line and somebody else pulls 
it up.

best of luck

--

Eng Sin Teoh
engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com
From: joseph@smos.com (Joseph Crunk)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: getting started-selecting instructors
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:56:28 GMT
Organization: S-MOS, Inc



Concerning the discussion about folks that want to learn how to scuba dive:

#Can't sit still on this one.....I agree with Alan. It's more important that
#you find a good instructor with whom you feel comfortable. That's the key !!

This is good for experienced divers. But what about beginners? My inference
being that only an experienced diver is able to assess a *good instructor*.

I asked this question before on the net and didn't get much of a reply:
How does someone that wants to learn to dive determine a *good instructor*? 

Personally, I place a lot of weight on the instructor's affiliation with
a dive store, and that dive store's reputation. If the dive store is in
any way questionable, I write-off the instructor as exhibiting poor judgement
by being affiliated with that store. Free-lance instructors, on the other
hand, are much more difficult to assess, but have a greater potential.


-Joseph Crunk
From: emartini@karoshi.Eng.Sun.COM (Edward William Martini)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,rec.boats
Subject: From Avon to Zodiac
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:59:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: karoshi


Some friends and I are interested in purchasing a used, largish inflatable,
preferrably with a hull of some kind.  Any info you have regarding where we
could get one (surplus?), or other experiences of the sort.

Ed Martini
Video and Imaging Products	"I played Civil War golf, I went out in 61
Sun Microsystems		 and came back in 65"
Mountain View, CA					Henny Youngman
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Rebreathing system
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:47:45 GMT

In article <YfNVz4600WB24JOydd@andrew.cmu.edu> "Rudolph R. Zung" <ru+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>In a recent issue of Outside magazine, they did this article about a guy
>who wanted to do some diving in the world's deepest cave system. His
>problem was that all existing scuba technology did not allow him enough
>downtime in the water. So, he scrounged up a few million dollars, did lots
>of reading, designed and built a complete closed, rebreathing system.
>Because this was potentially BIG money yet to be patented, the article
>writer had sign a confidentiality form indicating that he would not write
>about the technical aspects of the system. 
>
>My question: has there been any more information? Does anyone have any idea
>how a system such as thus might work?

I read the same artical you did, and don't have anymore information.
Isn't LiOH (Lithium hydroxide) what they use in most systems, and in
outer space, to scrub the air of CO2? (You remember that the artical
said that this gear could easily be modified for use as an improved
space suit.)

>again. I think he calculated his system to be able to support dives
>measured in the teens of hours (13, or 16).

I think he said 16.  He'll need it if he rally tries to swim out of the
cave by the river.

>NASA and US Navy apparently very interested.

Too rich for my blood :(
From: franklin@ecst.csuchico.edu (Frank Kokenge)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: diving in Belize C.A.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:11:22 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

	If one wants to really check out the most plethora of coral giant

tube sponges and huge eels dive  off the coast of Belize on an island called

the Ambergis Caye.  Here coral and life can go down as far as 400 feet.  The

water has 200 foot visibility and is around 80 F.  Two take dive will run

about 30 US dollars.  Simple spectacular!!!!!
From: karin@zach.fit.edu (Karin Nicholson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Request: Regulator Summary
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:37:22 GMT
Followup-To: karin@zach.fit.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA


   A month or so ago, I noticed someone was collecting information
to compare regulators.  I did not catch the summary if it was posted.
Please send a copy if you have it, I definitely need some help!

Thanks in advance!

-- 

 .-.|     |    |     | |    /------------------\   Karin Nicholson
 |  |-..-.|/.-.|-..-.|*|/  < karin@zach.fit.edu >  VAX Sys Mgr @ Florida Tech 
 `-'| |`-'|\`-'| |`-'|||\   \------------------/   Florida Space Coast LUG Chair
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From: smithsh@sumax.seattleu.edu (Scott H. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,bit.listserv.scuba-l,rec.photo,pnw.forsale,seattle.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Forsale: MotorMarine II underwater camera and flash
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:14:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1jviedINNrip
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Hello,

I am selling my Motormarine II camera with side arm flash. I have used it for
documentation purposes in fresh water (almost exclusively in a pool). The
camera was originally purchased for about $950.00 (including local sales tax).
In general appearance the camera is new (we put about 4 thirty-six exposure
roles of film through it.) I had anticipated continuing to use the camera, yet
have turned to video as a better method of documentation. The asking price is
$725.00 which includes the flash, camera, side arm, housing and flash cord
covers (for use when the camera and flash are not attached to each other).
Shipping in negotiable depending on destination. If you have any further
questions, feel free to ask.

Scott H. Smith
Smithsh@seattleu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: drm4005@wuee1.wustl.edu (David Russell Maffitt)
Subject: Re: Bonne Terre Mine Diving
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:21:50 GMT

Being from St. Louis, I've taken advantage of the mine as an enjoyable place
to dive, particularly in the midst of winter in the Midwest.  I have always
found the dive leaders to be very friendly, helpful and knowledgeable.

They do want you to do the "trails" in order but my experience has been
that they only insist that you do trail 1 first.  This dive starts in 
a shallow basin area where you demonstrate that you are properly weighted
and that you can clear your mask.  For many people used to tropcial waters,
full wet suits and 58 degree water on the face can be a shock.  After this
dive, they are more confident that you are familiar with the mine's conditions
and procedures and I found that I could negotiate with the leaders.  It largely
depends on the situation that day but they always tried to work my requests in.

You do play "follow the leader" and that does take getting used to.  After the
first dive I felt that all I had seen were the fins of the guy in front.
I relaxed enough after that to feel that I took the whole experience in from
small details like veins of "fools gold" that they point out to larger things
like this cool feeling that I was flying through a cathedral with huge rock
columns rising out of the depths. "Follow the leader" is an excellent idea
there because it is very easy to lose your way.

Its unfortunate that someone was rude on the phone and the diving is 
relatively expensive but it is a unique dive place that I have enjoyed 
enough to return to.

Dave Maffitt
From: engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com (Eng Sin Teoh)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: underwater magnifying glass
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: engsin@anjing.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp - Australia


I am interested in building an underwater magnifying glass. 
(maybe to a factor of 5 or 10 ?).

I have been told that because the refractive index of h20 and glass is closer
than that between glass and air, magnifying glass don't work too well in
water.  I have seen an underwater magnifyer made with 2 lens though.

Can anybody shed any light on this ?  Any formulas on what happens when 
a magnifying glass is immersed ?  Any help appreciated !!
--

Eng Sin Teoh
engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: plim@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (plim)
Subject: Diving in Belize
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:41:34 GMT

My fiance and I are thinking about honeymooning there in July. We're avid
divers (Naui certified) who have dived in Thailand and Hawaii. 

peggy lim
Network Systems Specialist 
NYU Medical Libray
(212) 263-6990
plim@med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: joseph@smos.com (Joseph Crunk)
Subject: Seaviews 93
Organization: S-MOS, Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:43:32 GMT



Seaviews '93 has started distributing flyers for their show in
Oakland, CA on March 20-21 this year. Attendees from previous
years should receive flyers in the mail. Folks new to scuba diving
might be able to pick up a copy of the flyer from local scuba shops,
but don't count on it. Already a couple of dive store owners have
expressed disappointment with Seaviews '93 promoting Performance
Diver mail order dive equipment. This, of course, works directly in 
contrast to what local retailers are trying to achieve, sales.

I'm told by folks at the Northern Calif Underwater Photographic
Society that the agreement for the use of Northern Cal UPS name in
association with the annual Sea Underwater Film Festival expires
with this years show.

This year's Underwater film Festivel will be MC'd by Jean-Michel
Cousteau. The show will include:

	Images From Around The World - Amos Nachoum

	Fish Antics - Jack McKenney

	My Favorite Places to Dive - Marty Snyderman

	Recent Expedition Footage - Jean-Michel Cousteau

	Lifestyles Of The Fish And Famous - Jack & Sue Drafahl

The Underwater Film Festival is in addition to Seaviews and carries its
own admission price of $14.

There's probably over 100 seminars presented during the two day show.
Some look to be pretty good, like Advanced UW Photography with Chris
Newbert, or UW Video Technique with Jim Church, or Sharks In The Wild
with Marty Snyderman. Others I would avoid such as Regulator Care and
Feeding by Wet Pleasure, or Monterey's Best Boat Dives by Marine Skin
Diving.

For what it's worth, Seaviews asked me if I would be intertested in
giving a seminar this year. I've decided to go diving in California's
Channel Islands that weekend instead. :-)

If you want to go or for more information contact Seaviews '93 at:

	Seaviews
	P.O. Box 175
	San Lorenzo, CA 94580

	(510) 278-6119


-Joseph Crunk

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: drsmith@us.oracle.com (Douglas R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,ba.market.misc
Subject: Spear Guns *FOR SALE*
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:15:59 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


I have recently two ScubaPro Magnum 95 spearguns.  (Given to me by fiance's 
brother.)  Since my fiance and I don't hunt, and Cristmas is right around
the corner, I thought I'd see if any net-divers out there were interested.

Both guns are about 3 years old; but, neither has ever been fired and 
both are still in 'factory' condition.  I'd like to get about $150 for 
each (List price is more like $220 according to the shops I've talked 
to.)  This figure is completely negotiable -- especially if you happen
to be interested in both guns.

If you're interested you can email me or call....

	Day:     (415) 506-2653
	Evening: (408) 370-5080

The owner of Classic Scuba (Lawrence Exp. & Moorpark) was kind enough
to let me keep the guns in his shop so people can check them out.  
Even though the guns are at Classic they are not part of the Classic
stock nor are they being sold on consignment.  All the guys at Classic
are going to get out of the deal is a couple of beers.  [Wouldn't want 
to have people think that I'm advertising on the net. ;-) ]
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jwall@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Wall)
Subject: Re: ScubaPro + Equip Purchase
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:33:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.205112.16523@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:
>
>	A high quality, very stretchy, silicon snorkel keeper ($2.00US)
>	will do a good job too.  Thread the fixed end of your BC's chest
>	strap through one end of the snorkel keeper and loop the other
>	end of the snorkel keeper around the mouthpiece of your "safe
>	second" (octopus, etc.).
>
>	* It's inexpensive.                

The dive shop that I frequent has an interesting gadget to hold your safe
second.  It's a piece of velcro that attaches to the hose with a loop of
small line.  The other end is attached to a D-ring on the BC.  The hooks
of the velcro form a sandwich over the pile piece (attached to the second
stage).  This is very stable doesn't come loose unless you tug on it and
it keeps the safe second about the middle of your chest.  Costs about
$3.50 (I think).

Cheers,

Jeff Wall
wall@hel4.brl.mil
From: kyrre.svarva@avh.unit.no (Kyrre Svarva)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Info wanted - Orkney Islands
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:38:17 GMT
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11b

We are planning a diving-trip to the Orkney islands (Scapa Flow) in
July. Need info. (address, telephone number) of local diving club.
We have noticed most of the activity in this newsgroup seem to originate in 
the US and Australia, however, we hope someone in the UK (or even in
the Orkney islands?) read this and are able to help out.
E-mail to kyrre.svarva@avh.unit.no, or snail-mail to Asle Loevstrand,
N-7177 Revsnes, Norway.
From: dd76@umail.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Sea Rovers venue?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:06:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.scuba
Organization: zoology

I've seen some postings re: this year's Sea Rover's and they list the
Copley as the hotel.  Does anyone know for sure that it is NOT at the
WESTON across the street from the Copley like it was last year?  The Weston
was a tremendous improvement over the Copley.  It has more room and places
to eat, etc.


Thanks,
Deborah
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Re: Underwater telephones, reliability?
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:12:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.175335.29173@netcom.com>, marco@netcom.com (Marco Flagg) writes:
> Several companies offer wireless 'through the water' communication
> systems.
> I wonder how reliable a communication path can be achieved with this
> equipment.
> I know the theoretical answers to these questions, but would be interested
> in hearing from anybody who has real-life experience with these units.

An anecdote...

A friend of mine once tried out a comms unit.  It had diver to diver and diver
to surface capability.  It was integrated into an Aga full face mask.  I don't
recall the make of the unit.  Anyway we decided to try it on a wreck called the
Annie Miller in 45m off Sydney.  Two divers had the comms units, and a buddy and
I went along as minders.  They were having quite a bit of difficulty with the
units, primarily because of the speakers.

What made this dive really worthwhile though, was that my buddy and I spent the
dive in stitches, as we could hear everything perfectly through the water.

I think he later resolved the problems and used the units quite successfully.

					Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: 0031b@pnet16.cts.com (Rmcs Falcone)
Subject: Re: Conditions in Maui
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:56:03 GMT

  Lisa, I live in Honolulu and the water here has been cloudy to date.
Water temp has been up there also (normal this time of year is 78 degs).
It's been running about 68-70. March might not be so bad though. Go for it
lady. Should prove to be a great dive. There are many, many things to see. I
have not heard of any underwater problems. Reefs are all OK as far as the NEWS
is reporting. Hawaii is beautiful and you are lucky to have the chance to see
for yourself first hand !!!. It's GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                                                 George

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From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Replacing O-rings on camera & backup camera supplies for trips
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	I have a Sea&Sea Motormarine II with a strobe.  Last summer we cleaned
everything and packed it away.  We are going to Guanaja in February and took
it out this weekend to  give it another checkover.  The manaul said to replace
the O-rings every two years, no matter if they appear damaged or not.  We
bought new O-rings and did so, but I'm kind of curious as to why.  They looked
fine to me.  Do they compress or something after a year?
	Also, what would you bring along as extra supplies?  We are bringing
tons of film, extra batteries for the strobe and camera, and extra O-rings.
Is there something I'm  forgetting?  A camera friend also said to use Fuji film
since it has better reds than Kodak.  I seem to remember seeing that here once
but couldn't find it in anything I have squirreled away.
	Thanks.

Julia
Newsgroups: rec.scuba