HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: durai@ORTTA (Appadurai V.)
Subject: Re: A question to the nettors?
Organization: U of Mn
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:05:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.192346.29125@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:


>Are 'Nayagan' and 'Nayagi' Tamil words? Or have they originated from the
>Sanskrit word 'Nayak'. Are'nt the words 'Thalaivan' and 'Thalavi' more tamilish?

>/Bharani

>P.S : Does'nt most of the Tamil poetry address the lead male as 'Thalaivan'
>      and the lead female as 'Thalaivi'?

"Nayakan/Nayaki" is different, in meaning, from "Thalaivan/Thalaivi".

I am not sure if "Nayakan" has a sanskrit root.  "Thalaivan/vi" refers to 
leaders whereas "Nayakan/ki" don't.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil Nadu newsnotes
Date: 27 Sep 1992 16:13:21 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  Source : India Today (Int.Ed.)
  Dated  : Sep 15, 1992


                      THE GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE
                    -------------------------

            Tamil Nadu Congress(I) tries to go it alone


   The stage is being set for  the  formal  divorce  between  the
Jayalalitha-led-AIADMK  and its off-and-on regional alliance with
the Congress(I) over the past two decades. The script,however, is
being  written by the Congress(I). Unwilling to tolerate her con-
temptuous attitude, the warring factions within  the  Congress(I)
have  come  together to challenge the ruling party in Tamil Nadu.
If in the process, the larger game of projecting itself as an al-
ternative   party   works,   so   much  the  better.  The  PCC(I)
chief,Vazhapadi  Ramamurthy,  once  described  as  the  "one-man-
orchestra  of Jayalalitha", has changed his tune. He now declares
that the Congress(I) "is emerging as an alternative to the ruling
party",  and  that the "restoration of Congress(I) will solve the
problems which had mounted during the last 25 years of the Dravi-
dian  rule".  That is a dramatic turnaround. The Moopanar faction
in the Congress(I) has been demanding an end to the alliance. But
the  Ramamurthy  group continued its sycophantic support for Jay-
alalitha. Till now.
   Acknowledging the party's new strategy,  Ramamurthy  says  the
next  logical  step is to conduct organisational elections, post-
poned for over two decades.  The  delay has led  to  factionalism
which  has  undermined the image and influence of the Congress(I)
in the state. In fact, a  Congress(I)  revival  will,  ironically
enough, probably help the third player in Tamil Nadu politics the
most, M.Karunanidhi's DMK. Whenever the Congress(I) has contested
the  state  elections by itself, it has resulted in Karunanidhi's
comeback due to split in the anti-Karunanidhi votes.  Officially,
the  Congress(I)-AIADMK  alliance  is still alive. But once it is
finally severed, the sparks are going to fly.

                                                      - M.Prakash


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: The Truth behind the Indian generosity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:58:25 GMT

In article <1acif0INNn93@phakt.usc.edu> rammohan@phakt.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.131406.9592@ifi.uio.no> sivasamy@ifi.uio.no (Sivasamy Premraj) writes:
>> 2. Don't you think that India had BETRAYED its friendly neighbor country
>>    by supporting the separatists who want to divide Sri Lanka?
>	True, we should be ashamed off supporting people like
>srilankan tamils who were involved in a seccionist movement.But one
>should realise this fact that supporting the separatists was truly a
>political decision.The congress which had a coalition with AIADMK in
>1983 supported the LTTE under the name of protecting tamils simply
>because LTTE was supported by MGR, thus enabling them to play on the
>sentiments of the local people.

What do you mean political decision ?  It is a decision made by the Indian
government and it is against all the "dharma" on which India is supposed to 
be built on.

If India was truly interested in protecting the Tamils, it could have sent 
its troop back in 1983 during the riots and prevented the death of many
Tamils.  Preaching non-violence and at the same time arming "bandits" does
not contribute to the "protection of Tamils". 
>
>> 3. India, originated from the non-violence struggle, taught Sri Lankan youth 
>>    to use guns to solve their problem.  What do you think about it?
>	This was truly a wrong decision.
>
>rammohan

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: News from Reuters
Originator: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:41:58 GMT

RTw  09/26 0200  Sri Lankan Tamil rebels pound army positions

    COLOMBO, Sept 26, Reuter - Tamil rebels pounded the Sri  Lan-
kan  army's  forward  defence lines in the north with mortars and
grenades late on Friday, killing one soldier and wounding  three,
a military spokesman said on Saturday.
    In fierce fighting earlier on Friday, rebels  had  killed  18
soldiers and wounded 11 in the same area of Pooneryn, west of the
army's Elephant Pass camp in the rebel-controlled  Jaffna  penin-
sula.
    Troops repulsed the attack after three hours of heavy  fight-
ing, killing about 20 rebels, the spokesman said.
    Jaffna is the stronghold of the Liberation  Tigers  of  Tamil
Eelam,  who  are  fighting for their own homeland in the island's
north and east.
    A landmine blast killed one officer and four soldiers on Fri-
day in Pooneryn, the spokesman said.
    In the eastern Batticaloa jungles, 10 rebels and one  soldier
were killed in clashes on Friday, he said.
    Nearly  100  soldiers  have  been  killed,  mainly  in  Tiger
ambushes,  in  Sri  Lanka's  north  and  east regions in the past
month.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil.eelam
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:50:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.191837.19812@cis.uab.edu> venkatap@cis.uab.edu (Chandrasekaran Venkatapathy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.152234.16190@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>>In article <1340@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> Dinesh@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM writes:
>>>
>>>I am tired of reading eelam related mail in s.c.t. Maybe a seperate newsgroup
>>>can be started by the readers in s.c.t concerned about eelam so that the
>>>traffic on s.c.t will be reduced. Note that I am not anti-eelam as many of my
>>>friends are Sri-Lankan tamils. My only concern is the usage of s.c.t for political
>>>propaganda and hate-mongering.
>>
>>I think you are just being intolerant. Just as there was discussion for and
>			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>against reservations, Sanskrit etc. why shouldn't there be a discussion on
>>Eeelam ? Just because it is outside India ? Everybody has their own view point
>
>
>	This is not a question of intolerance.  It is a matter of raising
>	the question in the appropriate forum.  Because a person is a Tamil,
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	he cant bring out a topic which is under contention.  There is
>	no implicit assumption that all Tamils  think alike, because they
>	speak the same language.
>
>		I would like to add further that Indians cant discuss
>	the internal problems of state of punjab & sind in
>	pakistan just becuase a few of the Indians speak punjabi.  
>	(Note : this is just an analogy to bring out a point. Not
>	for flames).

I think your mistake (again and again) is the assumption that SCT is
for Indian Tamils only.  No it is not.  Read the charter very carefully
and you will understand.  SCT is for ALL Tamils in the world.  That is
why Sundara Pandian resisted calls to change the name to soc.culture.indian
.tamil.  Please try to understand this.  The issue of 'struggle for
self-determination' is atleast as important for us as are the following
issues for the  some of the netters:
(1) Whether Silk Smita is still popular in TN
(2) How many cinema actresses are Tamils
etc.

>
>- Chandrasekaran V.
>>
>>Sincerely yours,
>>M.P.Premkumar
>
>

Meenan Vishnu
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: TN NEWS : Jaya vows to curb secessionist forces
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:37:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Source : The Times of India
 Dated  : Sep 23, 1992


            Jaya vows to curb secessionist forces
          ----------------------------------------

               The Times of India News Service


  MADRAS, September 1992.
    The Tamil Nadu chief minister, Ms Jayalalitha, told  the
assembly  today that her government would take stringent ac-
tion to curb anti-national forces and appealed to  all  sec-
tions of the House to aid the government in its endeavour.
    Replying to a calling attention moved by the  leader  of
the  opposition,  Mr  S.R.Balasubramaniam  (Congress) on the
shoot-out in Madurai in which  a  sub-inspector  was  gunned
down  by  a suspected Sri Lankan militant on Saturday night,
the chief minister said that concerted  efforts  were  being
made by certain elements to fan secessionism but her govern-
ment would not allow that to happen.
    Mr Balasubramanian assured the government of total  sup-
port  in  its  action  against anti-national forces. He said
that the man who had shot dead  the  sub-inspector  was  be-
lieved  to  be  Aruna, an LTTE militant, wanted to be in the
Rajiv Gandhi assassaination case. He claimed that the  auro-
rickshaw  driver who had brought the gunman near the refugee
camp at Koodalnagar in Madurai belonged to the DMK.
    The opposition leader said that the LTTE had resumed its
infiltration  into  the  state  and  added that it should be
stopped at any cost. He assured the House that he  would  do
his  best  to  secure  more central assistance to tackle the
threat from anti-national elements. Mr  Balasubramanian  was
replying  to the chief minister's lament that the Centre had
only sanctioned Rs 10 crore against the state's  demand  for
Rs 80.45 crore.
    Earlier, giving an account of the shoot-out, Ms Jayalal-
itha  said  that  the  sub-inspector, Mr Krishnaswamy, and a
constable, Rajan, were going towards the refugee camp on pa-
trol  duty  when they noticed an auto-rickshaw parked with a
peron inside, when the police personnel asked the man  about
his  purpose,  he  said  he was waiting for a friend who was
visiting someone.
    Dissatisfied with the answer, the  sub-inspector  sought
some  more  information when the man pulled out an automatic
pistol and shot  him  dead.  The  constable  and  the  auto-
rickshaw  driver  were  also shot at. The assailant escaped.
The driver was later arrested.
    The chief minister said from the empty cartridges it was
deduced  that the assasin had used a nine mm pistol normally
used by the Sri Lankan militants.  She added that a  special
police  squad had been set up to trace the culprit under the
supervision of the Tamil  Nadu  special  investigating  team
chief, Mr Pant.


                          *  *  *  *

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: tamizh
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:49:51 GMT

     "pongu tamizharkku innal viLaiththaal sangaaram
      nisamendRu sangE muzhangu"
    
      bharathidasan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srajagop@uncc.edu (Saravanakumar Rajagopalan)
Subject: searching for VELMURUGAN
Reply-To: srajagop@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:05:32 GMT

Keywords:VELMURUGAN REC TRICHY 1984-'88.

Hi 
  I am looking for A.Velmurugan who did Comp.Science at REC Trichy
from 1984 - 1988. He was Mr.REC for the year 1988.His native is 
pondichery.Any kind of info is welcome.

Thanks.
 



Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2634 soc.culture.indian:32971
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:15:23 GMT
	<BvLtzE.E3n@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>This avatar is a later addition.  This is one of the tactics of the Braminism
>zealots: when one of their opposers become popular and finding that >he/she
>is invincible, try and include him within themselves.  Buddha's teaching >are
>very far from the Vedantic teaching of Hinduism.  The story the Hindus
>give for 
>Vishnu's incarnation as Buddha is laughable: "to confuse the demons (see
>SP's article for more detail).

I totally agree on this point. Even though I'm a Hindu, I respect the
philosophy of Budhism. Also, before Brahmins revived Hinduism in the
area that includes present day Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh, Budhism
flourished. From what I know,  it was a formative period for arhitecure,
arts and probably literature during the time of Budhism. Then, came
Hindu revivalism. Those had the most to benefit from it brought it back.
It may be even correct to call myself a Hindu with Budhist leanings. 
Budhist influences didn't die completely. There are Budhist artifacts
dotting Tamils Nadu all over. It is said that 'Mahavamsa' was actually
initiated by Tamil Budhists in Sri Lanka who vowed to make Budhism
flourish in  Sri Lank with an iron-will determination also to fight
against reaches of Hindiusm.

>Buddhist Philosophy is  very different from the Vedic philosophy.  The
>basic problem Bramin priests had with Buddha was the his assertion that
>the performance of the Vedic rites leads one nowhere.

That's what I also studied and know of.  

-thambi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Re: find this poem ..... Vandu.....
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:49:36 GMT

In article <0emm4Mu00WB2MrIEYa@andrew.cmu.edu> Guntur N Balaji <gb29+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>and how the Chera lost and was imprisoned in Chola nadu.  It also goes
>on to say about how the Chera behaved in the prison etc...
>
>Cheranukkum Cholanukkum sandai vandhadhu
>Porinile Chola mannan vetri petranan
>Chera mannan chola nattil sirayil vadinan...
>......
>and so on....
>Can somebody complete the poem and send it to me by email or post it on the net.Thanx in advance.
>
>G  N  Balaji/...

I do not know the complete version. Here is what I know.

...... 			vAdi varunthiya
peedudaiya cheranukku thagam eduthathu.

sEvakarE sEvarE viraivil senRu neer
thAgam pokkave sirithu thaNNeer koNaruveer

enRu mannan sonnathumE EvalaaLarkal
ninRu kEli seytha pinnar neer koNarnthnar.

....

maanamizhanthu veera makkaL vaazhnthida maattar
kaaNum intha uNmai thanai enRu uraithanan

ezhunthidaamal vizhuntha chEran iRanthu vittanan
pazhuthillatha pukazhai intha pAril peRRanan.

Bye,
Babu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: Sundara Ramasamy, Thi. Ja. and Ki. Rajanarayanan
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.211406.27608@vela.acs.oakland.edu>  
janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.190705.4902@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>  
vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu writes:
>  Should'nt Vaidhyanathan be written as Vaithyanathan ?
>           				 ^^^^
  I think only Ramesh's father can help you out.
> This is not nit-picking but an attempt to know Ramesh's reasons
> for using 'p' instead of 'b' in Padhmanapan, 'c' instead of
> 's' in concider and 'c' instead of 's' in Ramacami.
   ^^^^^^^^^   This is a typo. One of the net etiquette is not to see
  the typos. The other two are according to a transliteration scheme.
  I think, in the next version of "adami", the letter "S" is reserved 
 for "vadamozhi ezhuthu sa" and  "s" or "c" can be used for "cha".
 In that case one can write "Ramasami". Am I right, Dr.Srini? 
> 
> J Anand

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From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: campus comedy (sirikka mudhinthaal..)
Summary: campus comedy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:02:26 GMT
Keywords: campus comedy

when i was doing undergraduate chemistry lab in the american college, madurai,
the professor in charge of the lab began to distribute our grade sheets for
the previous semester (it is an autonomous college, the grade sheets come right
from the dept. (college)).  He was about to give the grade sheet to Pandi and 
he realised that there were 'not passed' sign at the end of every row of the
previous semesters.  So, another friend K said, 'sir, the only way to punish
him is to let him pass in a couple of courses, that way, a desire might grow 
within him to get the degree and he might begin to read and put himself in
pain'.  so, the professor said, "don't play WITH jokes".  K's hand immediately
went to his shirt packet and he said, 'sari sir, inimael veliyae eduthu 
vilaiyada maattaen'.  people around that area burst into laughter.
From: elee6eg@rosie.uh.edu (S.SANJAY GOPAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: roommate: huntington beach,orange county, california
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.6OCT199214562474
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6OCT199214461255@rosie.uh.edu>, elee6eg@rosie.uh.edu (S.SANJAY GOPAL) writes...
>	A friend of mine (Sridhar Krishnan) is looking for a roomate in huntington
>beach, orange county, california. if anyone is interested please
>email me at sanjay@bayes.ee.uh.edu or call me at (713) 747-0232 as early
>as possible.
>thanks
>sanjay


	Anyone interested can also get in touch with Sridhar Krishnan
at
	tel no. (714) 841 1812 room 346 (evenings pacific time)
thanks
sanjay


> 
> 
>
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Elam News from Denmark
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:19:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ellFO_00WCXE9bVs4
	<1992Sep28.121446.4072@engage.pko.dec.com>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Oh come come..
I 've already admitted my mistake about dragging the brahmin issue once
to the net. I really regretted it. I'm not concerned about any 'bramin
consipiracy', because it doesn't exist. I come from a society where they
are 
respected for their work. Similarly they respect the other 'mobile'
caste members for their work. Its a working relationship.  And I'm from
Velvettiturai - place of many temples with my extended family very much
inlvolved with the two big temples.  I also had friends from a priests'
family. 
It was probably the thought about
Jeyalalitha that brought the 'b' word into my writings.  I promise not
to make any comments on the Dravidian-Brahmin issue in Tamin Nadu.
My feelings is that that are all Tamils first. They should not use caste as an
excuse to divide themselves up. It seem like they have done just that.

-thambi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: 5th International Conference in Tamil Culture
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:01:15 GMT

The fifth International Conference on Tamil Culture held between
3-5 October 1992 in Sydney, Australia was a big success. More
than 1600 tamils attended the Conference. Tamil Scholars from
India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Fiji and from all over the world
were present. The first two days were filled with cultural events
in the evening from 6:00pm to 12:00am. Film actor Sivakumar stealed
the show with his programmes. There was an exhibition on tamil
culture too. The programmes included research papers, guest lectures,
panel discussions, patti mandrams, etc.

Congrats to the organisers for making this Conference a big 
success.

Vaazhga Thamizh, Vaazhga Vaiyagam, Vaazhga Valamudan

" Thamizhukkum amuthendru paeyar, ath thamizh inbath thamizh engal
  uyirukku naer "


Anpudan,

V R Kumar

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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: On obscenity in the Tamil literary world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:07:43 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <9209270018.AA12172@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>   The Tamil fortnightly Thuglak, a political magazine edited  by
>Cho,  ran a series of `critical' articles in the year 1983 criti-
>cizing the obscenity in the Tamil magazines , Tamil movie  songs,
>Tamil  dramas  etc., This series of articles written by `Dhurvaa-
>sar' attracted Tamil public and was much talked and debated among
>popular  Tamil  magazines. It was mentioned in Thuglak when asked
>by many readers to reveal the real name of the mysterious  critic
>Dhurvaasar  that  Dhurvaasar is not any single author but a panel
>of writers in the Thuglak office. It  was  when  this  series  of
>

	The brain behind this was Vannanilavan, whose original name is
	Ramachandran. He was in Thuglaq's staff. He himself is a
	writer he wrote a score of novels, 'kadalpuraththil',
	'kambaa nadhi', 'reynis iyar theru' etc and a couple of
	short story collection and a poetry collection. 

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 15:49:59 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: <None>
	<BvF8Ix.Moo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>	struggle I do not.It is also true that these adulations of the war are
	>done at a realtively comfortable position in the USA.Basically I am
>	talking about an arm chair general!!I believe nobody knows the horrors
>	of a war than somebody who has experienced it.That is exactly why a 

You have experienced this war? In war movies? You must be under the
impression that I was here long time. Not that long, my friend. Seen
enough and continue to receive 'sad' news concerning my relatives back
home. Are you suggesting that I go back and bite a bullet so I can have
'true experience of war.'? 

I know enough to realize the futility in the 'one country concept.' Only
day dreamers would do so. There must be total autonomy in administration
of Northeast Province for Tamils if the country is to have a semblance
of unity. CAn you digest it?

thambi
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