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From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Poor Announcing By CBS
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 18:35:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

I don't know if anybody else noticed this, but after the game last night, CBS
was doing their post game interviews.  Just before going to a commercial break,
one of the CBS announcers states "we'll be back after these messages to talk 
with the coach of the LOSERS... Michigan".  (it was something like that).  

Anyway, my point is, yes Michigan did lose the game, but isn't is correct 
ettiquette to say something like "we'll be back after these messages to talk to
the coach of this years runner-up... Michigan".  In my eyes, there are no 
losers, just the team that finished second.  

I just felt that this comment (and numerous others) was in very poor taste 
by CBS.  Anybody else got any opinions on this matter????


One final point, in my heart, I wanted Michigan to win. But logic and my head
were telling me Duke was going to win.  They had lost before and knew what it
felt like to lose the championship game.  Also, if Michigan makes it to the 
finals again, look for them to win.  

--Pranav (pranav@evolving.com)
  (Buffs, Broncos, Nuggets, and Rockies)

PS:  Congrats to Duke.  
PPS: Look for Michigan to be preseason #1 next year 
     (of course this depends on recruiting and injury situations)

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From: jnhawk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Laettner and the draft
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:34:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr7.083455.1
Organization: University of Louisville

Theroy:

The reason Christian Laettner has had trouble in the past two games is that
he knows tha he will no longer be the number one draft pick in the NBA.

O'Neil from L.S.U. will

Sorry Christian, but the final dream you have will be just that!! A
dream!!!!

JH
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:06:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.150637.14008
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <44127@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig) writes:
>>>larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>>>>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?
>>>>
>>>>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>>>>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>>>>
>>>>1)  Coach K,           Duke 
>>>>2)  The General" Robert Montgomery Knight,  IU
>>>>6)  Steve Fisher,      Michigan.
>>>>3)  John Calipari      UMASS!!
>>>>5)  Bob Huggins,       Cincinnati.
>>>>7)  Roy Williams,      Kansas.
>>>>8)  Pat Kennedy,       FSU.
>
>I like these candidates. I would definitely have to also include
>
>    1) Randy Ayres - Ohio State (Big10 Champs)

Well, I guess, but there are better candidates...

>    2) Perry Clark - Tulane (resurrected a long dead program)

Yep.  He ended the year losing quite a few games, though, which always
hurts...

>    3) Jim Crews   - Evansville (took a team predicted to finish 5th 
>                     in the MCC to finishing in the top 30
>                     in the nation.)

I think I'd have to agree here.  I didn't even think about him - the future
IU basketball coach.

>    4) John MacLeod- Notre Dame (questionable, but did something
>                     with nothing)

Are you kidding?  Laphonso Ellis, Elmer Bennett, Damon Sweet - no talent?
Granted they had a hard schedule, but they lost way too many games they
should have won.  We ought to give John a few years and see what he can do
with talent he recruits; that way we'll see what kind of a coach he is.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pete Gillen to Villanova?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:36:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.140251.19466@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:
> The local paper (Asbury Park Press, for you Springsteen fans)
> carried a small item to the effect that Villanova and Pete Gillen had
> met about Rollie's old job there.
> 
> Anybody know more?

Gillen worked at 'Nova as an assistant coach under Rollie quite a
few years back.  He certainly has all the credentials and has to be
considered a top candidate for the job.

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux5!jmd
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From: nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:26:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.105456.22590@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Robert Poortinga <poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.185344.14073@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>>Pat Knight, that is.  The 6-6 redshirt sophomore was kicked off the team  
>>by His Old Man, The Mentor, after he had been arrested for public  
>>intoxication early Wednesday morning.
>
>Ok, let's start a contest.  Where will Pat Knight transfer to?  I'll stick
>my neck out and state flatly that he will go to Evansville and play for Jim
>Crews.  Of course, Pat's dad may see things differently and send him to
>Miami to play for Drill Sgt. Joby Wright to get a little discipline in his
>life.
>
>Any other ideas out there?

 LSU; after seeing Daddy Bob tell the world what a great coach Daddy Dale is
at this years LSU-Indiana lovefest. "Since you can't play for me anymore son,
go get drunk with Dale."





>
>
>Bob "Mr. Charisma" Poortinga
>(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:37:19 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <pilhofer.41@edit.mndly.umn.edu> pilhofer@edit.mndly.umn.edu (ARON PILHOFER) writes:

>Feel free to add to this list; it is not comprehensive.

My favorite was in the Michigan-Cincinnati game.  Just before the
first half ended, UC had the ball with about 15 seconds left.
The ball went out off of Michigan with 2 seconds left on the
clock.  They reset the *shot* clock to 5 and UC inbounded the
ball.  Again, it went out off of Michigan.  A few seconds ran
off of both clocks and again they reset the *shot* clock to 5.  
UC got it in and put up a quick shot.  Michigan got the rebound, 
threw it downcourt, and got the jam before the buzzer went off to
take a halftime lead.

Billy: "Was there really that much time left on the clock?  
Gee, resetting the clock actually helped Michigan."

Argh!  Think about it, Billy.  Think about it really slowly...

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: !!PAC-10!! News You Can Use
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:40:56
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu


!!PAC-10!! coaches everywhere are rejoicing as Billy Dreher has announced
that he is leaving Cal. Well, maybe not rejoicing...

In any event, Dreher has left the university due to "personal reasons
outside of basketball." Dreher gave up his last year of college eligibility
and headed home for Grand Junction, CO. Two seasons ago, Dreher led the
!!PAC-10!! in 3-point field goal percentage (50%) and averaged 13.2 points
a game. This past season he didn't even get on the floor against Oregon and
Oregon State at the end of a miserable season.

Frankly, it appears ole' Billy was ticked about playing time. Can't see as
how I blame him when the coach plays his own son more minutes in a blowout
loss (cf. Stanford game at the Coliseum). And this *despite* fans repeated
calls to bring him off the bench.

That makes for two total abandonments of basketball in the past two years.
DeShon Brown bolted off the bball team previously. And we gave Campanelli a
contract extension! What does he have, some kind of disincentive to perform
well? !!PAC-10!! action, ya gotta love it.

Your Humble Atlantic Seaboard Press Conspirator.

--
            xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU	

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 		
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.		
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy

Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez
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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:04:33 GMT

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
>IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
>than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
>even come to Champaign for a visit. 

Point of order, Payne went to high school in Quincy, which is a fur
piece from Chicago. And the local papers at the time said that he did
not like Henson as a coach.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"I'm not sleepin'" - U2, Bad 

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From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: trivia question
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:49:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr6.184911.5116
    <1992Apr3.194128.21907@unx.sas.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1251

In article <1992Apr3.194128.21907@unx.sas.com>, sasgwb@relayer.unx.sas.com (Gary Black) writes:
>
>       I'm probably not going to be the only one who remembers this, but UNCC
>actually made it to the Final Four one year (with Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell).
>I can't remember the year (1977? 1978?), but there were three North Carolina
>teams in the final four : UNCC, Wake Forest, and either Carolina or Duke (can't
>remember which).  The other team was the one that won it all : Marquette.
>
    I'm not positive, but I thought the Final Four in 1977 was UNC, UNCC,
Marquette, and UNLV.  North Carolina beat UNLV and Marquette (was lucky as
hell and) beat UNCC.  Marquette unfornately beat UNC in the final.

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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Women's Championship
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:48:57 GMT

Since the season is finally over, I post this.

First of all, congratulations to Stanford.

It just wasn't suppossed to end like that for Virginia, however. This
was the year that the Lady Cavs were suppossed to take home the 
title - after falling short in 2 consecutive final four appearances and
in Staley and Reiss' senior year. Debbie Ryan said all year that nothing
short of a national championship would be acceptable. Anything less would
be a disappointment. From what I could gather from the news, Ryan
and her players were devistated at the loss to Stanford. Dawn Staley
will graduate having won every award possible in women's basketball, except
a National Championship. (Does anyone see any parallels here between 
this team and the Sampson era men's teams?) 

I'm not trying to take anything away from Stanford, but the thing that
infuriated me about this game was the officiating. They didn't even let
the players play. I've never seen so many stupid, quick whistles in a
basketball game, ever. I've never been one to complain about the
officiating in a game and I'm not saying the officials lost the game
for Virginia, but it's ashame that the officials don't have the good 
sense to loosen up and let the players play when so much is at stake. 
It was not surprising that Virginia couldn't withstand a Stanford
comeback with three of their starters, including both Burge twins, on
the bench with 5 fouls. 

Despite not winning the title, the Cavaliers still had a season to be
proud of - and Staley and Reiss had an incredible four years at
Virginia. I'm sure Debbie Ryan will have the 'Hoos at the top of
women's basketball for years to come.

Congrats to Duke, also. 

-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1991 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV                        
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From: ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore)
Subject: Final AP/UPI Poll
Reply-To: ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:50:20 GMT

Is there or was there a poll AFTER the tournament?

I saw the CNN/USA today.
-- 
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From: mln@icase.edu (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Isn't it funny...
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:29:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.150115.13933@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>It's funny to sit back and read the sophmoric cheers and jeers in this
>newsgroup.  Normally, I would assume that this is the way most of the
>people here are, but I look at some of the sig files and see that most of
>these people have respectable jobs for respectable companies, or at least
>are in graduate school.  Where else do you see senior research scientists
>for major automobile companies saying dumb things like "Ha ha, manure tech
>is not playing basketball any more", or the endless rash of "Our team is
>going to stomp your team" comments.  I bet most of you are polite in public
>and would never act like this.  I guess the computer brings out the worst
>in all of us.
>

Yeah, well you go to Wisconsin.  What can you possibly know.  My favorite team
can kick your favorite team's butts any day.  We're the greatest and you suck.
We're the best in the world.

Michael Nelson

>And by the way, I am nicer on the net than I am in public.  I don't let a
>keyboard do my dirty work.
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:47:08 -0500

In article <1992Apr7.195424.3280@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia) writes:
>>Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
>>history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).
>
>	Hold on, hold on... these are pretty strong statements here.  Even
>	though neither of those teams repeated as college champs, U really
>	can only compare single season teams in comparisons.  As far as the
>	73-74 Wolfpack are concerned, as someone on the net previously
>	pointed out, the 72-73 Wolfpack were on probation and were not 
>	allowed to play in the NCAA tourney -- yet they finished the season
>	undefeated.
>
>	But my real arguement is against the 81-82 UNC team.  They were every
>	bit as good as this Duke team -- they were #1 all season long from
>	start to finish -- and featured many an All-American.  Not to mention
>	the NBA superstars from that team -- Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins,
>	and James Worthy -- now, if Laettner, T.Hill, and G.Hill can achieve
>	the success those 3 did -- then we'll start talking.

Agreed. The 81-82 UNC team was one of the greatest in history in terms of
talent (Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc.), which supports my argument that Mike
Krzyzewski is a better coach than Dean Smith.  Smith always gets talented
players that turn into NBA players (King Rice being the main exception), and
he had a very talented team this year as well.  The fact that Duke has been
to 6 of the last 7 final fours with less talent than Smith is a tribute to
Coach K's coaching abilities.  A lot of people thought he would fall off after
'86 and never return, but he continues to mold and shape not just excellent
teams, but winning teams.  UNC wins, too, but in the last 7 years, they have
2 ACC championships, 7 sweet 16s, and one final four.  Duke now has 3 ACC
championships, 6 final fours, and 2 national titles.  Smith has one for his
career, and he's a legend.

Then again, in the future, Hill, Laettner, Hill, Hurley & co. could all make
the NBA in some shape or form, and talent would again come to the forefront
of that team.  Then again, only Dawkins and Alarie lasted any length of time
in the NBA after '86...

>	Jazzy J
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-             BRAND NUBIAN!) -                                                -
From: matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Tournament Coverage
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey)
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Apr4.002159.1009@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
|> 
|> 	Is it just me or has CBS's coverage of the tourney has really  
|> sucked or what?  It just doesn't compare to the job ESPN did with the  
|> first couple of rounds.  Who are some of these people that are  
|> commentating?  What has this Mike Francesa guy done to become an 'expert'  
|> on college basketball?
|> 			Sincerely,
|> 			Tony Erwin
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------
|> Tony Erwin
|> Rose-Hulman Institute of Technolgy
|> Terre Haute, IN 47803
|> 
|> erwinaw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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|>          FIGHTING ENGINEERS!!!
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|> "Even a blind hog will find		
|>     	an acorn once in
|> 	awhile."

I couldn't get over Billy (I love the ACC) Packer. He kept repeating that 
Laettner (sp.) hadn't touched the ball for xx minutes. Who cares? His team
was winning at that point, anyway. Billy should stick to the ACC.

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From: Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: GT in '93 tip-off
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:13:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Of course, you people all know that they're playing it because Travis
Best is from Springfield.  I remember watching him on a Sportschannel
"National HS Game of the Week" a couple of years ago....His whole
Springfield Central team put on quite a show.
From: klund@chiltepe.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Laettner in the NBA
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr7.113318.673

First I'll just say that Duke is my least favorite team and Laettner is my  
least favorite player (he now passes the torch to Hurley) in the NCAA.   
Secondly, they deserve congratulations on a great year and winning  
back-to-back.  

Laettner was a great college player on a great college team.  As it stands  
right now, he needs a lot of improvement to become a great NBA player.  I  
was at the Final 4 and spent a lot of time watching Laettner's moves,  
defense and positioning.  The major problem he has right now is his  
quickness.  In the NBA, he could be eating a lot of shots that he normally  
makes.  There was one instance against Michigan where he had the ball in  
the lane.  He made a good fake to the side and froze Webber.  He had an  
open lane to the basket for what should have been a dunk, but because of  
his lack of quickness there was enough time for help to get over (he did  
draw a foul).  His lack of quickness will hurt him against tougher  
professional opponents.

Laettner does work hard on the D, but again his weakness is that his feet  
don't move quick enough.  This is a facet of his game that he CAN improve.   
D is mostly heart, and he has a lot of it, so all he needs is to work hard  
to improve in that area.

Maybe it was just in the last two games, but I didn't see much in the way  
of aggressive rebounding or good positioning by Christian under the  
boards.  I think there were a lot of bounds that he could have gotten that  
he didn't.

So what do I think will happen with Laettner?  Right now he plays like a  
solid performer.  He could be a good 6th man for a contender or a PF for a  
weaker team.  With work he can become more than another Laimbeer (no, this  
is not a Laimbeer slam, I just think Christian can become better).

As long as he isn't drafted by my lovable little Wolfies, I'll be happy.

Just my $0.02, any thoughts?

Kevin
From: hillab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Jeff Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Its All Over ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:23:10 GMT
Organization: Biochem, Duke univ med ctr

In article <1992Apr7.033843.13626@uceng.UC.EDU>, saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:

>    Duke wins it all. Pretty pathetic game ... offensively for both teams. Though
>    Duke managed to come through at the end. What I could not understand is 
>    why CBS likes to suck up to Laettner so much. The whole of 1st 1/2 all they 
>    talked about was "what is wrong with Laettner". He might be a great player
>    but he did nothing for them in the final-4.      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee, I guess if you call being the game high scorer in the championship game 
"doing nothing" then you're right. . .  Obviously he didn't have the best final
four but then that has been what has made Duke great all year - anyone of the 
starters can have a bad game or two but there is always someone there to take
up the slack.  That is why Duke is the national champions - they're a great
TEAM.  Sure seems to be a lot of sore losers who post in this group. . .
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