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[0]In article <DcNiVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
[0]<I just got an interesting note from James Armstrong referrring to the fact that
[0]<his episode guide IS COPYRIGHT.   This causes some trouble as the motion
[0]<consering this was passed.
[0]<QUESTION: Who was responible for NOT letting ALL parties that this could lead
[0]<to future trouble and how come James was not informed about the resolution
[0]<during the vote.
[0]<
[0]<I am not in a panic just yet, but the parties involved SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD
[0]<ABOUT THIS if they have already unsubscribed themselves.

[1]Mr Video writes:
[1]But, it would have been nice to have received some e-mail about this before
[1]hand.  I am well known on the net and therefore am not hard to find.

That's ok, I haven't given them permission to use mine either, nor was
I asked prior to the ballot appearing.  Mine copyright statement says:

[-]	  Compilation & format Copyright 1991,1992 by Frank Durda IV
[-]You may reprint or redistribute provided you give credit.  You may not sell
[-]this work.  You may not charge for access or place an additional copyright or
[-]restrictions on this work. Other uses must be approved in advance in writing.
			      **************************************************
[-]		UUnet is allowed to archive this document.

And I pointed that out the moment the ballot appeared.  I got a nice sarcastic
reply, but that was all.  As Mike said about himself, I am also pretty easy
to find in this and other groups on the net.

I'll have to see what whoever it is has in mind before I decide what to do.
For the present I will continue to expand, correct and post my version.

Frank Durda IV <uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org>|"You are going to shoot me in 
...utacfd!nemesis!uhclem (nearest internet) | the back!"
...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem	            |
...decvax!microsoft!trsvax!nemesis!uhclem   |Who said it and What story?


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: bonnie langford reference
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:59:26 EST

-> I watched "Bernard & the Genie" last night on A&E. Tell me if I heard
-> this quote correctly:
->
-> "These hotpants much me look like Bonnie Langford!"
                   ^^^^

 Ahem. I meant "make", not "much".

dc
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Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Tavius versus Waiwright
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 05:39:31 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

- In article <mXamVB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- >When I tried to last intorduce this, it ended up as a botch turning out to b
- >philosophical argument, instead of a constructive argument,based on Doctor W
- >Could we try to keep this relevant to DW as much as possible?  advTHANKSance
- >
- >Tavius: Someone who represents a person true to his values.
- >
-
- Who and/or what is a Tavius?
-
- --
- ...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
-    Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
-    We must be out of our minds
-    For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
-    Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
- --
-
  Tavius is the slave trader from "The Romans", a first Doctor Serial.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: the sontaran accident
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:04:55 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

sawelch@ravel.udel.edu (Susan Ann Welch) writes:

> 	Didnt Tom Baker break his collar bone during the filming of the
> sontaran experiment.  This might be the accident that people are refering to.
> 
> 
> the future dr pseu
> 
> 

Yes, I believe he tripped on his scarf.  In the following story you will 
notice that Tom picks up his scarf while running or being overly physical,
and treads carefully.  :)  So yes, the episode was cut short so that Tom
could recover.
 


-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: what was ytv doing?!!
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:37:38 EST

 Stephane Boyer wrote:
 --------------------

-> wait a minute!, YTV is the ONLY station thats plays OLD Dr. Who in
-> Montreal.

 That is the case in most Canuck cities, I imagine.

 Yes. I may have been a little too harsh about YTV just cancelling DW. I
guess I'm just too demanding in how it's broadcasted, and forgetting
that I'm thankful that it IS broadcasted at all (if not for me, for
others).
 But that Pyramids of Mars copy - Ack!   :-)

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery???
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:46:56 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:

> --
> |       //              |------Daniel O'Malley--domalley@unix1.tcd.ie------|
> |   ===//  ===    ===   |---"In the beginning, the universe was created.---|
> | //  // //  // //  //  |-This has made a lot of people angry and has been-|
> |  ==//   ==// //  //   |--widely regarded as a bad move.":Douglas Adams.--|
> 
> Daniel, 
> 
> Anyone who quotes Douglas Adams in his sig. can't be all bad.  You've 


I'll go along with that... But, did you know there is now a company 
called Arthur Dent, that specializes in notebook computers that respond 
to styli?

I spoke to the sales manager at COMDEX and he said Adams is a friend of
the company ... and authorized the use of the name, etc...

I asked why the notebook didn't say "Don't Panic" on the front. They said 
that was coming....

take care
barry

=======================================================================
Barry Mishkind                            barry@jab.tucson.az.us
                                          1:300/11.3 on FidoNet

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Doctor's NamesDIR
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:31:39 -0500

In article <922711122758@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, Simon Jerram<EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK> writes:
> This may be a FAQ, but does anyone know of any of the Doctors other names.

Yes, it's item 1.2 in the r.a.drwho FAQ.  Okay, to summarize,

-Theta Sigma - used in The Armeggadon Factor and The Happiness Patrol
-Doctor Who - used in The War Machines (and other stories, also used in the 
credits until "Castrovalva")
-The Doctor - most common name, used in the credits from Castrovalva onwards.
-Doctor van Wer - used in The Highlanders
-Dr. Caligari - used in The Gunfighters
-Dr. Forman - suggested in An Unearthly Child
-Dr. John Smith - the Doctor's UNIT alias, also used in The War Games

In addition, a few other episodes have 'hinted' at the Doctor's name.  
In Colony in Space a name was presented on a Gallifreyan computer, but was
unreadable.  In Trial of a Time Lord, one section of the matrix had the Doctor
almost saying his name but he never finished the sentence.  In Remembrance of
the Daleks, the Doctor produced a calling card that may have had his name on it

-Professor - Ace usually calls him this; he doesn't like it much.
-In the book "The Making of Doctor Who", the authors Terrance Dicks and Malcolm
Hulke give a complicated-looking mathematical formula containing sigma.

All the above information is courtesy of the Doctor Who FAQ.

Ellen - the Crime Doctor
ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Visitation
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:03:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1gb1n0INN23t@coral.bucknell.edu> norbeck@albiero.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:
>>Someone posted something recently about the first season always being the
>>worst.  I do believe "The Visitation" was filmed before "Castrovalva", and
>>was part of the "settling" of Davison's characterization.  
>>

>Actually, if I correctly recall, I was under the impression (probably
>from _A Celebration_ or some such) that it was _Four to Doomsday_ that
>was filmed before Castrovalva (and it was noted that if you check the
>hair length, you can tell, since it was shorter in FtD and Castrovalva.

You're both right!  The filming order was Four To Doomsday, The Visitation,
Castrovalva, Kinda, then the rest of the season in order.

This, along with the fact that there was no real script editor for the first
two stories listed (Saward hadn't been hired yet), meant that both came out
as turkeys IMHO.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: Liz%Eng%Banyan@magnolia.banyan.com
Subject: Ben Aaronovitch
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:01:28 EST

The last information I saw on Ben Aaronovitch's New Adventures novel was that 
it was due this month.  Well, I know the month isn't up yet, but I'm 
impatient. ;-)  Anybody seen it, or know anything more recent?

Liz
lizb@banyan.com

Xref: sparky rec.arts.drwho:8990 can.politics:10950 soc.culture.british:17852 soc.culture.australian:5208
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy? Now: Time looping our problems
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 06:22:09 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

- dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
-
- > Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
- > > Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- > >
- > > - As a politics major, I am well aware of the structures involved.
- > >
- > >   Wher have I heard that one before.  My dear fellow, you are addressing
- > > Policy Director for Liberal Party Consitutency Associations!
- > > -
- > Best news the Tories and NDP have had all week.....
- >
-
-
- I can just hear 'em saying, 'Dave WHO'?
-
- Back to the Tardis, DSY!
-
- emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)
-
- Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels
- instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne

  OH! My dear Mr Smits, I though you were referring to me as Joe Who, as In joe
Clark.  My mistake.

  Mind you I have a good tape Margarat Thatcher taking a TARDIS toruing in the
the middle ages visiting hospital, condemning the sick and doing the same thing
the modern day British Hospital.

  Mr. smits, you have just touched off my imagination.  Imagaine time-looping
all the tories and right-wingers of the world.   No more reactionary right to
here from.

  Even better yet, send the whole loonie left to the Stone Age where they
belong.

  Mr. Smits, if we could only transend time and space, half our political
problems might be over.

  Of course there is the danger of a Reagan-Bush regeneration, or maybe a
Chronic Hysteoisis  (sp?) could take care of that.

  If only it were real.

  If that were the case I might time travel to late 1991 to cheer up the person
who intro'ed me to the net.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Doctor's Names
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Dec11.183041.28235@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<BCR.92Dec11210937@hfl3sn02.cern.ch>
	<drwho.724147396@pv0c0d.vincent.iastate.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:30:45 GMT

In article <drwho.724147396@pv0c0d.vincent.iastate.edu> drwho@iastate.edu (Greg Bentley) writes:

>   P.S.  It's posted there for a reason ya know.  :-) /2

True enough...  However, like many people I don't read
FAQ's every time they are re-posted. (Especially long ones)
However, I think the last time I read the one in this 
group was 1990.  Maybe I can safely read it again.  I'll
be interested to see if they included William Shakesphere.

                        Bill
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Sontaran Experiment and need for stunt doubles
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 07:19:16 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Just in response to the Sontaran Accident thread, it seems to me that after
that point in Tom Baker's career, he realised the need for a stunt double.

Then again, I do recall what John Levine told an Edmonton Convention in 1988.
Vlad pohnert and Warren Frey, I wonder if you can help me with the wording of
this, but I believe John said that he use to do his own stunts and payed the
price, recalling in a Q&A session, that Pertwee's ouija was a painful
experience.

Those needy stunt doubles.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Jamie & The Higlanders
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:53:02 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec17.130354.13143@bsu-ucs>, 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> 
>      Thanks for all your information on Zoe; now, of course, I want to know
> more about Jamie.  I know he was from Scotland ("The Highlanders") around 1752
> or thereabouts, but how did he get mixed up with the Doctor and why did he
> decide to stay on with him?  (I would think that somebody from that far back
> in the past would be simply overwhelmed by all the modern/futuristic
> technology; was that covered in any of the shows?)  While we're at it, what was
> "The Highlanders" about, anyway?  I remember seeing Jamie being returned to his
> own time and getting dumped into the middle of something that looked like a
> clan battle; is that too far off course?  (It's been a while since I saw "The
> War Games", so bear with me.)
> 
> Again, e-mail or post, whichever you prefer.  Thank you for all your help and
> indulgence.
> 
> Casey

Jamie is one of a group of fugitive Highlanders escaping the aftermath of
the disastrous Battle of Culloden in 1746.  As events unfold in the story,
Jamie winds up escorting Ben, Polly, and the Doctor back to the TARDIS and
I think some Redcoats were in the general area so he decided to go with the
TARDIS crew.  
Jamie was a little overwhelmed by it all at first, but he soon settles into
it since he was a little thick anyway.  

Steven.K.Manfred



Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: non-fan groups
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:26:21 EST

Neal Crossman wrote:
-------------------

-> Try living outside the Toronto region for a while then you'll see
-> how true their statements about DWIN really are.

 Maybe you would like to list their statements in point form, as I am
not aware of them all. In turn, I can pass on any concerns you and
others my have of DWIN to the president. Address below.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com

PS: I am not originally from the Toronto region.
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Twerpee Years: Avengers Rip-Off
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:37:41 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

For the record, I wouldn't be surprised if the above is the correct mentioned.

Jon Pertwee was featured in the Avengers "From Venus With Love"  and Courtnay
in "Mission: Highly Improbable".

Also that some doctor Who writers were on staff with the Avengers writers.

Anything's possible.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: smcguire@mit.edu (Scott McGuire)
Subject: Re: Celery
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Sloan School, MIT
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:30:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.164922.29962@vedge.com>, kiron@vedge.com (Kiron D.
Bondale) wrote:
> 
> Hmmm this brings up an oddity... that celery he had on his jacket was
> there since Castrovalva ("Civilization at last")... odd that it should
> stay fresh through as many episodes as it did.

Obviously, it's special Time Lord celery - it regenerates and stays fresh
for thousands of years!

--Scott McGuire / smcguire@mit.edu
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: daleks
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:56:40 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BzEC8J.B5v@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:

>In article 20444@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:



>>Isherwood as an "air-head" simply because I had an interest in, and 
>>participated in, the discussion.  Where, sir, do you get off?
>>-- 


>Excuse me! I mentioned no names. I was referring to no individual in particular.
>I PREFER TO LEAVE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOUR TO OTHERS !!!

>Enough said ??

>Regards,
>Phil Isherwood
>pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl

>.. who is pretty mad right now!!

Well, now, isn't that a shame?  See, the problem with leaving such
undignified name-calling anonymous is that you automatically leave yourself
open to the possibility that *everyone* who falls into the category you
named will have reason to believe that you were referring to him/her.  Based
on past experience here, I wouldn't have been surprised if you *were*
referring to me (everyone else does!) but the fact is that I felt I was
speaking for everyone.  And when you mention no names, you end up talking
*about* everyone.  That's just the way our feeble primate brains work.

The remark was entirely unnecessary anyway, and doesn't belong in a
civilized discussion.  But if you feel you *must* resort to calling people
"air-heads", why not go whole hog on being childish and cite names?  That
way, only the people you *meant* to offend will be offended, rather than
offending *everyone*.

Drewcifer

...who was pretty mad before!

-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
***************************************************************************
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: das0@quads.uchicago.edu (donald andrew smith)
Subject: Quotes list request
Reply-To: das0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
		Max Planck Institut fuer extraterrestrische Physik
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:41:06 GMT

Hello all,

	First I wanted to apologize for my last note.  I ended up
sounding more arrogant than I intended.  (I told people not to waste
their time posting responses to my post.)  
Anyway, the real reason I am posting this is to say that I haven't heard
anything about a quote list in existance, so I have started to collect
my own.  *Any* contributions would be appreciated.  However, there are a
few I would like to get the exact words to, if possible. (Not
paraphrasing.  I can paraphrase them from memory myself.)

** Any lines from _An Unearthly Child_ or the Pilot showing the Doctor's
arrogance toward Barbara and Ian.
** The speech from _Edge of Destruction_ about the birth of a star
** The Farewell speech to Susan from _Dalek Invasion of Earth_
** Anything from the Doctor's trial in _The War Games_
** The speech to the sleepers in _The Ark in Space_.
** The speech by Tom Baker's Doctor when considering whether to blow up
the incubation room in _Genesis of the Daleks_
** The dialogue between The Doctor and Greel over the Chess board in
_Talons of Weng Chiang_. "I was with the assault on Rejykavik.."
** Anything Jago said in same story.
** The Computer's last line in _Shada_ "Do you know the Doctor
well...?"
** The Doctor's opening address to the Dalek mothership in _Remembrence
of the Daleks_.
** The dialogue between Morgaine and the Doctor at the end of
_Battlefield_
** The dialogue between The Doctor and Ace in _Curse of Fenric_, when he
explains Fenric's origin.
** The last line of _Survival_.

And when did the Doctor say "You may be a doctor, but I'm The Doctor.
The definite article, you might say."?

(I did say "a few," didn't I? Well, perhaps a few more than a few.:-) )


Hopefully, lots of suggestions will pour in over the holidays, and I'll
have enough to post a list in Jan.  Thank you all for helping me feel
less homesick.  My tapes are a couple thousand miles away, so my only
connection with Dr. Who these days is through the computer.  _The Tomb
of the Cybermen_ and the new version of _Shada_ are awaiting my return
next July.  How will I survive the wait?!?!?!??

Yours,
Don Smith
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ST: TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:51:04 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:

>In <rawdon.724436879@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
writes:

>>In "Remembrance Of The Daleks" they can "fly" up stairs and such.  It looks
>>pretty silly, though. :-)

>No it doesn't!
>Sure impressed me when I saw it... ;-)

Me too. In fact, during the eighties the Daleks were not only Resurrected in
fiction but also in execution. Take the example of the Daleks in Day of the
Daleks, and Death to the Daleks. When they moved, they wiggled about an awful
lot, but if you look at the movement of the Remembrance Daleks (Imperial ones
especially) they move in a much better, believable way.

  eg
 Ace is attacked in the school, she jumps through the window, bashes a
roundel of a Dalek and runs down the stairs. The way the Dalek spins round and
shoots after her is superb.

 The way these Imperials spin, shoot, & move QUICKLY is great, and of course
their weapons are brilliant too. They seem more compact and chunkier than
previous models. The new, non metallic livery of these eighties Daleks is great
too.

Gareth
 ______________________________________________________________________________
(   As the days go by we face the increasing inevitablity that we are alone    )
 \        in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe.        /
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