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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:17:19 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: Shamless plugs (was Re: LNH : Electrocutioner's Song Advertisement

In article <92289.114537U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>Yes!  Yes!!  I can see it now... er wait.  Aren't we supposed to be fighting
>this kind of stuff.  Aren't we playing into the hands of ERNIE?

Eh?  Did I hear someone mention SHOKK'secret identity?  It figures a person
with a name like that should play a role in the Electrocutioner's Song.

"Play the game with me one last time, mirror-bad-type-person.  Run through
the hallway will me in a race to use the bathroom to do something we've
had to do since the day we were bjorn.
See my reflection, mirror-foe, looking at your face staring at your with scars
from shaving with a dull razor.  Sneer as its glint of metal cacthes your eye
and you have to be rushed to the hospital."
                                       --Strypocable on losing his eye.

  _____)           ______        _)       _)  EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
                               __       __    OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
______    ______            ___      ___      Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
                               __       __    Computer Lab Attendant
(_______ _      _ ________ _     _) _     _)  for PSU's CAC Department
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Mr. Mxy and Lex Luthor
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:02:13 GMT


Well, from reading comments posted in this newsgroup, I can tell that
I missed the Lex Luthor-Mr. Mxy...-Superman issue of one of the 
Superman titles. I read a while ago in a Previews mag that this issue
was supposed to feature a return of Luthor to his original body..or
something like that. However, thanks to Doomsday hype, there will be
NO Superman titles on the shelves of my friendly neighborhood comic
shop until the #75 issue where Supes actually gets killed. It seems 
that this comic shop allows subscribers who get first crack at all issues,
and as soon as word of Doomsday got out, all the subscribers requested tons
of Supes titles, even the ones that won't have Doomsday in them. DC wouldn't
allow reordering to be done, so there will be a massive shortage in my
area of Superman titles until the BIG one comes along. My shop ordered this
one after the news was released so they will have plenty of them. 
ANYWAYs...enuf of my bitchin'--I got a couple questions about the Mxy
title of Supes---Is Lex Luthor now in his original body? Has Superman
figured out that the original Luthor is still hanging around? And, finally,
can anyone explain to me WHY DC decided to turn Luthor into this 
irritating pony-tailed Australian-talking clone-type figure? Not that 
I have anything against pony tails or Australians, but this is just NOT
the same Luthor to me. Why would DC pull something like this so soon 
(relatively) after Luthor's revamping after the Crisis storyline?
Just wonderin'....

-------------

"You have angered me "Master" Kahn...and Victor VonDoom is angered at others
 peril. You, a petty necromancer, a being, in truth, no more than a
 mewling magician, _dare_ to involve me in your wretched little game.
 That was a mistake Kahn---one that shall be most _severely_ punished!"
   SSMMAASSHHHKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
					Dr. Doom, Namor #33
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43 / Robocop vs. Terminator #2
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:56:07 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <1992Oct7.225854.14410@scott.skidmore.edu>, jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
|> pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
|> > Was I the only one to purchase and read the latest Sandman and
|> > Robocop vs. Terminator issues on the same day?  I couldn't help
|> > noticing an odd similarity:  in Sandman, Destruction is asked by
|> > his pet/companion Barnabas what the bubbling pool signifies, and
|> > he responds:  
|> > 	"Trouble.  Big Trouble."  
|> > In R vs. T, after Robocop hooks into the world's computer system 
|> > and decides it's possible he could create the Terminators, his 
|> > technician friend asks him "What's up?" and he replies:
|> > 	"Trouble.  Big Trouble."
|> > 
|> > Amusing, as long as they're not planning a crossover.
|> 
|> Of course!  It all makes sense now.  Gaiman and Miller are planning
|> the Robocop/Sandman crossover.  Remember how someone on the Rec.
|> suggested that there might be a new Destruction?  Well there is, and
|> its Robocop!  The new Endless.  I only wonder what his sign for the
|> Gallery will be.... A big Gun?

Why not! The current(ish) Destruction has a big sword so why not update
it a bit.

			Rob.

-- 
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From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cerebus: Oscar(s)
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:42:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsvc.1992Oct16.104240.3791
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Re the "other" Oscar. I did a double take when I saw Oscar in gaol with
Posey too, but then I realised Cerebus was being told the story 
                                                 ^^^^
ie It was not necessarily happening simultaneously. I don't know if there
was one or two Oscars. I also happen to think it's not really important-
which tallies with Dave's answer in the interview.

	Andrew Davies
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From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Subject: DC: Doom Patrol 
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:27:12 GMT

In article <Bvw21r.M3y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
>	I've noticed that there hasn't been as much discussion of Doom Patrol
>as there used to be on the list.  Has everyone else given up on it?  It's 
>still my favorite comic (right above Miracleman and Sandman...)

I haven't given up on it, that's for sure.  I may even post an update
of my annotation files.  I'm no Elmo, but there are lots of things that
get referenced and quoted in Doom Patrol, and maybe somebody would want
it catalogued.  Call me compulsive.

Doom Patrol fans should take a look at Rick Kreiner's essay about it,
"A Half-Filled Glass" in the Comics Journal #152.  He takes the time
to set straight a few people like myself who are a little bit cavalier
about flinging the word "postmodernism" around.  

That issue of TCJ is a must-get; it also includes:
- Gary Groth's essay wherein he accuses Dave Sim of being an
industry whore for the assembly-line mentality.  This is the essay
Sim was replying to in his "The Last Waltz" in the current issue
of "Cerebus".

- And, best of all, the priceless interview between Groth and
Todd McFarlane.  A gem.  My favorite outtake:

"I didn't let some little thing like not being able to write stop me."
 -McFarlane

Now that I'm completely off topic, I'll shut up.


--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
     "Enter, o seeker of knowledge!" [pause]  "That's you, fathead!"
                  - Bugs Bunny
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Vampire Lestat
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:10:22 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

atwright@sophia.smith.edu (Aubrey Wright) writes:
> BTW Innovation's artists have managed to muck up the art on Interview with a
> Vampire, The Queen of the Damned, and Ramses the Damned. Of these three I
> can only recommend Interview as the best of a bad lot. Once again, not in
> terms of the writing, but in terms of schlocky art.  
> 
> Aubrey
> 
> 


But they did a great job with "The Vampire Lestat" and "Master of 
Rampling Gate."

Namaste,
Elizabeth
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Grendel -Warchild
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:18:36 EDT

jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:

> In article <22875@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
> >Well, the only reason I bought Grendel is because everyone on the net was  
> >saying how good this book is/was.  I missed the first ones, so I decided to 
> >give warchild a chance...  sofar BIG dissappointemnt (espec. #3)  Matt is  
> >dragging this thing out beyond belief!
> >
> >Is it just me?
> 
> Yes.

I wouldn't argue.  I think Grendel: Warchild is brilliant, as all Matt 
Wagner's work so far has been.

> 
> I am certain you are the only person to have read this series and dislike
> it.  I think it's really good.  Yes, it has been slow-moving so far,

It just depends what you're looking for.  It doesn't have the frenetic 
pace of "X-Force" for example, but it moves quickly and constantly.  
There are no dead spots where nothing happens.  Personally,  I really 
think the pace is just right.

> 
> I think the current series is pretty good.  It's interesting that Wagner
> could take a character who I imagine was first conceived in only one
> incarnation -- Hunter Rose -- and stretch it out as an abstract spirit of
> evil and vengeance that has existed over centuries. 

And this theme gives him infinite variety of choice and plot.  
Essentially, it's good vs evil and the corruptive nature of man played 
out with different individuals in different times.

> 

Do you think th Warchild will even speak?

Do you think his sister will rebel?

I would, by the way, recomment the Orion Assante issues highly.  Of a 
series which was uniformly superb, that story was my favourite.  

Namaste,
Elizabeth

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman's Sandman ...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 09:49:32 EDT

sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

> Hi.
> 
> Does Neil Gaiman own the Sandman character and all the other characters
> in the Sandman series?  I remember reading something about other writers
> having to ask for permission to use the characters.  With the new Vertigo 
> line coming out, I was curious if the spin-off books would be under Neil's
> "control."

No way DC would let these characters out of their hands.  Any 
consultation with Gaiman is *courtesy*.  All DC characters are DC 
property.

Namste,
Elizabeth
From: drichey@eng.auburn.edu (David M. Richey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Who the heck was Irving Forbush???
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:31:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

I've seen many references to the name "Irving Forbush" in old (1970's)
Marvel comics -- usually in Stan Lee's Soapbox. Who was this guy? and
what did he have to do with Marvel?
David
(who feels on the outside of and inside joke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Subject: Paranoia?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:04:36 GMT

Okay,
	I've recently seen that someone's publishing a comic book based on
West End Games' RPG, Paranoia.  Has anyone out there checked it out?  Is it
as bad as I think it probably is, or has a miracle occurred, thus actually making
it a worthwhile read?  I think Paranoia the game is hilarious when done right--
but is the comic version yet another pile of role-playing spinoff crap?

Leif Kj|nn|y
leifmk@lise.unit.no
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From: atwright@sophia.smith.edu (Aubrey Wright)
Subject: The Vampire Lestat
Organization: Smith College
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:55:48 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.180211.637@ualr.edu> mbharper@acs.harding.edu writes:
>In article <29SEP199217545600@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>>What is this series (or mini-series) about?  How many issues have 
>>come out?  Who's the writer?  Who does the art?  Is it worth getting?  
>>Recommendations?
>>
>>Thanks,
>> - Wayne.
>	As far as who does the art and such, I have no idea.  The Vampire
>Lestat was a great novel written by Anne Rice about the life of a vampire
>that wants more out of afterlife than just drinking blood and living in some
>desolate area(like an old dreary castle).  Lestat moves among the living while
>trying to search for a meaning to existence(more or less).  If they write the 
>character as he was in the novel, it should be a great comic.  
>	Personally, I had not heard that the comic was coming out but think
>that is will be worth getting just to check it out.

Innovation put out this comic a while ago in 12 issues. The cover art was
great, but the actual comic, in an artistic sense, was a rather mediocre job,
IMHO. The writing was good, very faithful to the original book, but the
paintings were disappointing. Lestat is supposed to be extremely attractive,
as are all of the vampyres, yet the artists failed to present what I thought
was even one good-looking vampyre! Some of the panels were done rather
sketchily, some were ok, most were ordinary at best. I don't know if I would
recommend it because I kept getting so angry at the art all of the way
through the series!
BTW Innovation's artists have managed to muck up the art on Interview with a
Vampire, The Queen of the Damned, and Ramses the Damned. Of these three I
can only recommend Interview as the best of a bad lot. Once again, not in
terms of the writing, but in terms of schlocky art.  

Aubrey

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From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:49:37 GMT
Distribution: na

Mikel Bancroft writes
-->
-->Have all the image comics except for Spawn decided to go
-->bimonthly on us or what???  Seems like the only person trying
-->to keep up Image's image is McFly.
-->
-->Mikel B.
-->"Talk Hard" - HHH

I was told that they were having trouble printing the issues.  Now I am  
certainly not the resident expert on printing, but how come that McFly ain't  
having problems like that?

Just my 2 cents worth.

Chris
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy #1
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:52:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct16.232004.15775@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>I didn't get this:  It was sealed in a plastic bag, and I have no
>interest in buying a pig in a poke.  When I see a new title, I like
>to at least leaf through it, to get an idea of what *sort* of work
>I'm buying.  *Someone* at Marvel must think that selling first
>issues bagged in a clever sales gimmick.  Okay, they can be clever
>without me.
You STOOPID EEDIOT! The comics come with special air "freshners" except
of course the Stimpy one smells like a litter box and I have no desire 
to know what the Ren one smells like. Nevertheless I'll this issue, sight
unseen - at least I know it doesn't have any STOOPID mutants in it!
-- 
John Switzer               | Why am I voting for Clinton? Because... 
                           | Bill Gates: 36, CEO Microsoft, $6 billion
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Me: 36, Tech Writer, 1978 Diesel Rabbit
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: New Vertigo...
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:12:40 GMT

I know that Vertigo has already said what comics are going to be
released in the new line, but I am curious as to what other titles
people would like to see "upgraded" to mature reader.

Personally I would like to see Legends of the Dark Knight and Hawkworld
made into mature reader titles. I also think that Green Arrow should be
rescued before it falls to far.

Any other sugestions.....


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*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
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From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:59:17 GMT

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>> Perhaps this has been answered in previous issues, but I was wondering
>> why the Endless needed physical transportation in this issue.  Can't
>> Dream simply materialize anywhere he chooses?
>
>Yes.  And in other issues we've seen him travel through the Dreamworld, 
>or go, or be, anywhere he likes.
>
>IT hasn't been explained but I can think of a few possibilities:
>(1) Delirium is calling the shots on this one and isn't too sure of her 
>ability to be where she wants to be.
>
>(2) Destruction has somehow made it impossible for the rest of the 
>Endless to find him through "norma;" (ie., supernatural) means.  So they 
>have to travel on the physical plane.
>
>What I *don't* have a theory for is how they know Destruction is on 
>earth.

We know that Dream, Death, etc., are universal, so obviously they can be in
many different places at once. (Death has to collect spirits from all over
the universe at once. I'll assume the others have a similar nature.)
So what we're seeing is the earth manifestation of the universal search.
Destruction has closed down the non-physical routes to himself (his sigil),
so they must search for a physical manifestation of him.

Wasn't Hell referred to as "psychic real-estate"? The Dreaming would be
another. What are others (aside from various heavens)? Does every Endless
rule a psychic land, or is Dream the only one?
-- 
David Tanguay       dat@Thinkage.on.ca  dat@Thinkage.com  uunet!thinkage!dat
Thinkage, Ltd.           Kitchener, Ontario, Canada          [43.40N 80.47W]
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From: annak@microsoft.com (Anna Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: ElfQuest 3
Date: 09 Oct 92 17:54:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: elfquest

The hunting party has spotted spoilers, my chieftain (if you haven't read the
most recent ElfQuest stories, then head back to the Holt) --


In article <1992Oct9.014139.29805@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
>Undeveloped characters?  I thought the human was about as developed a character
>as you could get in a single issue, and his adopted elf mother (I confess her 
>name has slipped my mind), 
     Tyleet. Redlance and Nightfall's daughter.
     Personally, I was very happy with this issue - it was as much a character
development for Tyleet as it was for her adopted son. Up to this point we
had _no_ real idea of what Tyleet is like as an adult; we had glimpses of her
at the end of _Kings of the Broken Wheel_, but in HY #3, we get a quite clear
impression that she is a gentle, if quite stubborn, person. She's also
bright enough to realize that she's been pampered through much of her life, yet
she hasn't shown signs of it going to her head.

>Yep, but I thought Ember and Leetah, etc., didn't age more than a few weeks
>during their time travel... am I wrong, or are they skipping ahead a few
>years till Ember's grown a bit?
     Ember, Leetah, Suntop, Rayek, and Skywise didn't age at all _during_ the
time travel. I doubt they were in the current time more than a day or so
before the Wolfriders caught up with them.
     They are indeed skipping ahead to Ember's teenage years.

>	My only complaint is that I would prefer 2 or 3 complete stories in
>a single issue, rather than 5 or 6 strung out over several issues.  But yeah,
>it was entertaining.
     The only really amusing I found in there was "Berries for the Brave"
<grin>; it was interesting to see other people's treatment of the ElfQuest
stories, yes, but in some places I was quite put off. (Since when were the
Wolfriders diurnal instead of nocturnal, and since when did they live in a 
"village?" - Yah, I know the whole point of _New Blood_ is to let other
writers and artists have their way with the ideas without having to worry about
canon, but puckernuts, change _some_ things and you don't have Wolfriders
anymore. :-) )

                   Shade,
                  - Anna.
-- 
annak@microsoft.com ** Angela Sh'k'anna Korra'ti
No opinion expressed above originates from Microsoft Corporation.
From: jwr@boobah.PPD.Kodak.COM (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: current sandman
Keywords: sandman
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:23:42 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

In article tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>In any case, am I the *only* one who has been speculating as to the 
>identity of Dream's most current lover?

No, you are not.
But am I the only person who feels that we are *not* going to find out who
she was?
I think this one is going to be left a mystery.
Y'know, kind of like "Who was V?".


 "Frigid were the walls of my canyon of unlimited desolation."
                                                          - Tim Riffle

                                                            Jim Reid
                                                            jwr@titan.kodak.com