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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:08:58 GMT


In article <xwV=Xw+@engin.umich.edu> hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.125152.13844@zip.eecs.umich.edu> UPI,  writes:
>> >	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian fundamentalists
>> >deported by Israel were turned back Friday by Lebanese troops when they
>> >tried to cross into Lebanese-controlled territory, witnesses and
>> >security sources said.
>> 
>> I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
>> these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
>
>Whoever asked this question is really insensitive to the plight of those
>deported, to say the least...This question implies that Israel has the
>right to deport (underline deport) any Plaetsinian nationalist who opposes
>their occupation.  The most naive part of the question is asking what
>ties these people have with Lebanon, where it is obvious that their
>ties are with their families, Women and Children, left behind...
>I fail to see the innocense in posting such a question even...
> 

I believe that at least two people might have misunderstood Mr. Kamparth in
his question.  I happen to think that what Mr. kamparth had on mind is
more along the lines of what Haidar Harmanani answered to.

The reason that "israel" deports Palestinians to Lebanon is mainly the
force of habit.  For the longest time Lebanon was not in control of its
border and was never able to stand up to "israel" and hence "israel" 
found it easy to just drop off the undesired palestinians on Lebanese 
Land.  One way to look at it is what are the choices?; Syria?, Jordan?.
they would have to officially ask if either one would take them on, while
Lebanon has always offered the place where there was no one to have to
ask.  

Not only is the "israeli" action barbaric and has no respect to any human
values, but also has no regard to international laws and it is another
obvious infringement on the sovereignty of an independant state....but
then again how bad of an abuse of lebanon can that be when "israel"
feels free to move around any time they so wish and when they remain
occupying a good part of it.

Samir M. Fahs
From: UPI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Exchange Rates (Fri Dec 18 1992)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:59:09 GMT
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]

                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Fri     Thu     Fri     Thu

Lebanon pnd       .000538 .000538 1858.00 1858.00
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Contacts with American University In Beruit- WANTED!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <jalil.02oe@gasface.UUCP> jalil@gasface.UUCP (Jalil M. Farah) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.003828.9539@ac.dal.ca> tage@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>                       
>>
>>
>>            Is there anyway one could get in touch with the computers via
>>email at the American University in Beirut?? Or any other Univer. in Lebanon??
>>  Any info or news relating to this question would be of great help!!!
>>
>>                                                Thank You 
>>                        
>>
>>                                                Tony Hajj
>
>	Any info would be greatly appreciated by me too!
>
>
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Sometime ago, the following article was posted to this group.
At the end of it, there is an e-mail address. You could try that
address for information about the AUB. I am not sure if it helps
but this is the post anyway. I did not e-mail it because it seems
that several people are interested in making cantact and asking for 
information. 

I hope it is useful.



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From str-ccsun!strath-cs!uknet!mcsun!uunet!news.univie.ac.at!blekul11!frmop11!trearn!trmetu!c70861 Wed Sep 30 16:55:38 BST 1992
Article: 2581 of soc.culture.lebanon
From: C70861@TRMETU.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Amer`can un`vers`ty of be`rut
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:33:13 GMT
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center


     The Amer`can un`vers`ty of Be`rut has been,for a long t`me,one of

the most em`nent features of sc`ence and technology,not only `n the m`ddle

east,but `n the whole world as well...

 In sp`te of the var`ous problems that block `ts development dur`ng the

war years,A.U.B. `s st`ll conserv`ng `ts po`nts of strength as a lead`ng

edge `n the world of knowledge...

   For more `nformat`on,post your quest`ons e`ther to th`s newsgroup,or

by d`rect e-ma`l to :

                                 c70861:TRMETU.BITNET
                                 Abdul-Ham`d Sadka

===================================================================


I. Ballouz
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Palestinian deportees arrive in Lebanon
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:11:35 GMT
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[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian activists who were
expelled by Israel arrived late Thursday inside the border area in
southern Lebanon and were blocked at a passageway by Lebanese Army
troops, witnesses and a television station said.
	Witnesses said a convoy of cars and buses carrying 384 Palestinians
crossed the Lebanese-Israeli border and arrived at the passageway of
Zimraya at the edge of the Israel's self-declared ``security zone.''
	The convoy was heavily guarded by Israeli troops in military vehicles
and stopped at the Zimraya passageway controlled by the Israeli-backed
South Lebanon Army militia.
	The SLA-run Middle East Television said the deportees were to be
released at the crossing point and later transported to the Syrian-
patrolled southwestern Bekaa valley.
	But Lebanese Army troops stationed on the other side of the fence
went on full alert to prevent the deportees from crossing into areas
under their control.
	Lebanese Defense Minister Mohsen Dalloul said none of the deportees
were to be allowed to cross the border enclave and denounced what he
called the ``aggressive Israeli intentions'' toward Lebanon.
	``Our position is firm. We have nothing to do with what is going on
in Israel,'' Dalloul told United Press International by telphone. ``The
Lebanese Army has strict orders to prevent the entry of the deportees
into our territories.''
	Dalloul described the Israeli measure as ``a new attempt of
aggression against Lebanon.''
	``Why (is it that) everytime Lebanon should bear the consequences of
something happening inside Israel?'' he said.
	Earlier, the army was instructed to close all passageways linking the
border enclave to the northern areas.
	A representative of the Palestinian Hamas group in Lebanon, Abu
Mohammed Mustafa, described the Israeli plan to deport mainly Hamas and
the Islamic Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine members as a 
``terrorist'' and ``barbaric'' action.
	``It is a terrorist action that indicates the barbarism and insanity
of the Zionist government,'' Mustafa said.
	He called on the Arab negotiators engaged in the Mideast peace talks
``to announce their withdrawal from the negotiations the moment the
decision to expel the detainees is adopted,'' and according to
interviews in Washington, the delegates intended to do so.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Law of Return ( was re: Money )
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:29:39 GMT

9999sc01@uhdvx3 (Alexandre Khalil) writes:

>  How about a Law of Return for the Palestinians ?

The Palestinian Arabs have their own country comprising 75% of
Palestine, one in which Jews are forbidden to live.  If they want to
return to Palestine, it's within their own power.

If you also advocated a right of return for Jews to the parts of Eretz
Yisrael under Palestinian Arab control, you might be taken more seriously.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Lebanese customs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:57:24 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:59:16 GMT

I was planning to send a Christmas card/girft to me friend and her family (who
are Lebanese), and I was wondering if there is any "special" way of doing this.
For example, I know in Chinese culture, sending stuff in red evelopes is considered
*extra* nice.  I their any similar custom in Lebanese customs.  Of course, they
are Maronite (sp?) Christians.

Thanks.

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: daba@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daba)
Subject: Info. on starting a news group.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:36:02 GMT

Can anyone provide me with information on how to go about starting a
news group?

Thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: jalil@gasface.UUCP (Jalil M. Farah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Contacts with American University In Beruit- WANTED!!!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:57:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Junkie

In article <1992Dec14.003828.9539@ac.dal.ca> tage@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>                       
>
>
>            Is there anyway one could get in touch with the computers via
>email at the American University in Beirut?? Or any other Univer. in Lebanon??
>  Any info or news relating to this question would be of great help!!!
>
>                                                Thank You 
>                        
>
>                                                Tony Hajj

	Any info would be greatly appreciated by me too!


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From: jalil@gasface.UUCP (Jalil M. Farah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re:  Information
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:19:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Junkie

In article <1992Dec9.165030.556@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>In article <1g084cINNn4j@uwm.edu>, jguerra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joaquin Guerra Achem) writes:
>>
>>      I have a relative working at the American University in Beirut.  Does
>> anybody knows if there is a way to contact the university through a computer
>> network (Internet, Bitnet).  Or any suggestions?
>>
>>      Thank you very much, for any help!
>
>
>I heard that the AUB will soon have access to internet.
>
>How soon ?  I have no idea.
>
>sorry, but if I get further info on this subject, I will post it on
>
>s.c.l.
>
>-Hassan

	EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!  Please keep us informed!!!!!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates (Mon Dec 14 1992)
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:55:55 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]

                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Mon     Fri     Mon     Fri

Lebanon pnd       .000535 .000535 1868.00 1868.00

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:01:31 GMT

Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:

>In article <xwV=Xw+@engin.umich.edu> Hani Abinassif,
>hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu writes:
>>In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath 
>><kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec18.125152.13844@zip.eecs.umich.edu> UPI,  writes:
>>> >	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian fundamentalists
>>> >deported by Israel were turned back Friday by Lebanese troops when they
>>> >tried to cross into Lebanese-controlled territory, witnesses and
>>> >security sources said.
>>> 
>>> I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel
>could deport
>>> these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and
>Lebanon?
>>
>>Whoever asked this question is really insensitive to the plight of those
>>deported, to say the least...This question implies that Israel has the
>>right to deport (underline deport) any Plaetsinian nationalist who opposes
>>their occupation.  The most naive part of the question is asking what
>>ties these people have with Lebanon, where it is obvious that their
>>ties are with their families, Women and Children, left behind...
>>I fail to see the innocense in posting such a question even...

>I think not.

>I just could not understand why they would send them to Lebanon.  It didn't
>make sense to me.

>But if you want me to be insesitive, I'll just never ask questions and remain
>ignorant.

A lot of times ignorance about a specific issue could lead to
misunderstandings.  I believe both Hani and you Michael were partly
guilty in this exchange.  Hani for not giving you the benefit of the
doubt albeit it is quite hard in this case given the unmistakable
insensitivity of the question.  On the other hand, expressing how you
felt about the act of deportation, though it is not normally
necessary, could have maybe reaffirmed the innocence in your inquiry
to those of us who are *deeply* disturbed with the latest israeli
aggression.

>======================================================================
>|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
>|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
>|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
>======================================================================

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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:41:13 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <CNV=HwB@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.125152.13844@zip.eecs.umich.edu> UPI,  writes:
>>	RASHAYA, Lebanon (UPI) -- Hundreds of Palestinian fundamentalists
>>deported by Israel were turned back Friday by Lebanese troops when they
>>tried to cross into Lebanese-controlled territory, witnesses and
>>security sources said.
>
>I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
>these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
>

Strange thought really.
The whole point of deporting the palestinians is to punish them, NOT to help
them to reunite with people with whom they have ties...!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Palestinian deportees turned back by Lebanese
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:12:23 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec19.221119.0112674@locus.com>, jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani) writes:
[..]
> >>I got a question concerning this.  Of all the countries that Israel could deport
> >>these people to, why Lebanon?  Is there a tie between these people and Lebanon?
> >>
> >
> >Strange thought really.
> >The whole point of deporting the palestinians is to punish them, NOT to help
> >them to reunite with people with whom they have ties...!
> 
> 
> I understand that the 400+ may windup at the battle front with israel,
> but did you prefer they should've killed them, or kept them
> in jail for life.
> 
> jle

What's your point?
I am not sure I can follow on how your answer relates to what Ibrahim
is saying.
-Hani
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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Contacts with American University In Beruit- WANTED!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:05:54 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <WAID.92Dec16141503@elaine29.Stanford.EDU> waid@elaine29.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah) writes:
>In article <BzD42u.85D@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
[   ...   ]
>
> Actually, I tried that myself a long time ago and it turned out that
>Mr. Sadka was writing from Turkey, but just wanted to talk to AUB alumni.
>Sorry  :( ......
>

I did not know that he just wanted to get in touch with AUB grads. The post
that was sent to this group suggested that Mr Sadka is somehow an official
from the university sending the message from the Technical Uni. in Turkey on
behalf of the AUB. This is what had occured to me when I read the post.
I thought the post looked like an advert, the way it was written.
He included his e-mail address in case anybody is looking for information.

In any case, interested people might like to contact him, he probably has some 
useful information. 

I. Ballouz
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From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: more gif files
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:45:16 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Dear Netters,

The appended files are available on anonymous ftp server liasun3.epfl.ch.
A contribution by Borre Ludvigsen <borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no>.

/users/choueiry/sabah
-rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia      161109 Dec 15 21:29 sabah+mahmoud.gif
-rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia      328422 Dec 15 21:28 sabah.gif
-rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia        1130 Dec 16 18:37 sabah.msg

Cheers,
-- 
Berthe Y. Choueiry

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Pro-Israeli militiaman killed in Lebanon
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:52:31 GMT
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[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- A number of roadside bombs exploded Monday
alongside a patrol of the Israeli-backed South Lebanon Army militia
inside the border zone in southern Lebanon, killing one militiamen and
wounding three others, militia and military sources said.
	Muslim guerrillas planted a number of explosive charges on a military
road leading to the Bouslaya-Bousneih position near the Christian town
of Jezzine, 23 miles south of Beirut, a source of the pro-Iranian
Hezbollah said.
	The roadside bombs exploded when an SLA patrol was passing, the
source said. One SLA militiaman was killed and three others were
wounded, he said.
	Military sources in the southern port city of Sidon confirmed the
attack and said villages outside the security zone came under Israeli
retaliatory shelling.
	The Israeli and SLA artillery blasted the outskirts of the Shiite
village of Jbaa in the Iqlim Al Toffah region, east of Sidon, 24 miles
south of Beirut, the sources said. There was no immediate word on
casualties or damage.
	Israel has been controlling the 9-mile security zone since 1985 with
the hope of curbing cross-border infiltration attempts. The zone is
patrolled by some 1,000 Israeli servicemen and the 2,500-member SLA.
From: henigma@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Captain Bob comedy on LBC
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:14:02 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



   Anybody watch LBC??? (in MONTREAL) If so is Captain BOB the funniest comedy
they have put on there??? Or can anyone think of a funnier Sit COM.?

   The opening segment to LBC is silly don't you think? The guys and girls 
singing they stupid song "alla albe ce"(as a guy puts his hand over his heart).

                                                     Tony Hajj











Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: TV stations
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:04:54 GMT

In article <92352.144755U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>
>And is TeleLiban getting any better with all of that competition?
>

Most definitely...you should go take a look now, you won't even recognize
it. :).

>I kow about VideoOne, an MTV like station owned by those who own RadioOne,
>I know that there is the Mashrek of Walid beik, LBC, MoreTeleVision (MTV) ?
>anything else?
>

Mashrek is not owned by Walid Junbulat, it is mainly owned by Zaher al-Khatib
and a few others who hold fewer shares. When I was there thisl last summer,
The total number of stations was about 18.  Those are the stations one
could receive in Beirut.  There are other stations that are more local to 
the other areas of Lebanon.

>
>Nasri
>

Samir Fahs.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon