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From: dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: getty problems on SLS .99 (fix included)
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:20:12 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <marcf.725172444@yorku.ca> marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier) writes:
>wreillyi@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (William J Reilly Iii) writes:
>	That's strange...mine has /etc/getty in it.  But I too am having
>a slight problem....7etting a port to accept both out going and incoming
>logins.  Right now I'm usig a terminal for testing (well, another Unix
>machine).  If I don't enable the getty on the port, I can use  kermit to
>connect to the second Unix Machine without a hitch.  If I run the getty,
>everything *seems* to work for dialing in, but dialing out no longer works.

One way to fix is to use uugetty in the getty_ps package.  It uses     
/usr/spool/locks directory (something like that) to coordinate with 
kermit.  

Unfortunately, I have failed to get my modem to work with 3 gettys
so far.  Best I can do is print /etc/issue using agetty and enter login.
Unfortunately, password is never prompted for.  And hand-shaking is 
screwed up somewhere, because /etc/issue is printed w/missing 
characters.

>>One thing I haven't fixed yet is at boot time I see the screen that prompts 
>>for the SVGA screen, but it just flashes by and sets up in a very small text
>>size (100x80?). Anyone know how to get it to change text size after boot or
>>better to let me select what mode I want it to boot in?

You get this w/LILO < 0.7.
Use 0.7+
This was my problem

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: something screwy with mail...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:08:50 GMT

Marc Fournier - Admin (marc@r-node.gts.org) wrote:

: In article <1992Dec30.211716.26372@nwnexus.WA.COM> vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:
: >
: >My experience with Elm says that it should run setGID mail and that
: >the user mailboxes should be owned by 'theusername' and be group 'mail'.
: >
: >You do not have to create the mailbox as part of an adduser script.
: 
: 	The problem, though, seems to be that if you don't create the
: mailbox in the adduser script, that the first email that is received
: will do so...but not being owned by the user who owns the mailbox.
: Why, I don't know.  I have it running right now, and it is setGID to
: mail...and still gives the problem...yup, just checked to make sure.

This seems to be a bug in elm-2.3.  I think it's fixed in elm-2.4, which I've
been trying to get done and tested in time for a New Year's Day release
of mailpak-1.4 - I obviously missed it.  Soon, soon...
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and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Arrgh!!! Alerting all Linux wizards, sorcerers...whatever..!!
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:48:42 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <1992Dec30.122213.18952@sfu.ca>, wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund
Wong) wrote:

>     Oh man, did I really screw things up.  

Can someone in British Columbia *please* spend a few afternoons with
Edmund...?!  His many recent posts suggest that he needs someone to hold
his hand for a little while....  There must be someone else nearby who uses
Linux....  I don't think this person even needs to be much of an expert....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: s442223@nexus.yorku.ca (Chaos)
Subject: Xfree86 with Trident
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:41:10 GMT

I'm totally clueless about getting my Trident TVGA9000 configured. Can someone
send me their Xconfig file if they're using it?

Thanks in advance.

-Ahmad.
From: nation@dopey.sanders.lockheed.com (Robert Nation)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 3-Button mouse under X
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:41:19 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
In-reply-to: thsswto@iitmax.iit.edu's message of 21 Dec 92 19:22:40 GMT


Although I did not post the message to which you refer, it was my
program.

Did you set your mouse type to "mousesystems" and remove the 
emulate3buttons line? You have to do this if you want the mouse to
work in 3 button mode.

One person (Tim Cutts) indicated that if he held down the mouse
button and left out the little program when starting X, then
everything worked for him. That is, set Xconfig to mousesystems,
remove the emulate 3 buttons line, and hole down the middle mouse
button when starting X.

		Regards,
		Rob Nation
From: ninja@willard.UUCP (Sonic Druid)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: FAQ for this list....
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:42:18 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814


 
  I'm looking for a current FAQ file for this list, if someone would
be kind enough to send me a copy via email....
 

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From: coizi01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (N. Zimmermann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BSD lpr/lpd and serial lw - help help help
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:51:29 GMT
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG



In comp.os.linux you write:


[...]

>The next release of SLS will have lpr setup.  But the released
>lpr doesn't work with the libc.4.2 (because of the stupid
>net code being moved).   So if you are using it the daemon 
>won't run.

I am running the lpd stuff without problems and *without* libc.4.2.
All I did was downloading the lpr/lpd files from sunsite/INcoming,
which someone posted a couple of weeks ago and fighting a little bit
with permissions and network set up.

I got lpd working with a loopback device and a correct 
services, hosts.lpd, hosts and printcap file for a local printer 
at the parallel port. This configuration runs from 0.98.6 to 0.99.1 
without major problems, except the correct permission flags for the 
daemons and spool directories. lpd just dies without any
warning, if the permissions for ...spool/lp/..., ...spool/lpd.lock are
wrong. I have set up lpd, lpr, lprm, lpq with setgid and owner daemon.
Lpd dies too, if  your machine hasn't a valid services file.


>I got it working, but it is a little finicky.  

I agree completely. :-)

[...]


Norbert.

----------------
P.S.  Happy new year 1993. Peter, keep on doing that very good SLS job.

P.P.S Your email adress in the message header isn't valid.
      It's just pmcdonald@somesite. The rest of the domain is missing.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Could some one recompile lpr/lpd
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:43:31 GMT


Since as supplied lpr/lpd does not work (due to some library problems - such
as missing tcp/ip routines - per Peter) I wanted to compile these my self.
So I got the source, painfully patches the diffs (from bir7) by hand and
got the sources ready for compilation. What a pity, it needs gcc 2.3.2 or
the syslog routines. Could some kind sole take over what I have and produce a
working library. May be something statically linked until all the libraries
surface.

Please e-mail for the sources. Thanks in advance for help.

Ramesh
From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: More install questions
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:09:50 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu


In article <1992Dec25.205004.28379@nwnexus.WA.COM> danubius@halcyon.com
(Joseph R. Pannon) writes:
>
> Just WHAT IS A LOW-LEVEL FORMATTED FLOPPY in Linux parlance?

`man fdformat'

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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: A discipline for packages
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:56:46 GMT
	<1993Jan1.201620.26986@nwnexus.WA.COM>
	<1993Jan1.212511.20678@sol.UVic.CA>
	<1993Jan2.055744.26567@nwnexus.WA.COM> <bk^Q7dBX@twinsun.com>
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

In article <bk^Q7dBX@twinsun.com> junio@twinsun.com (Jun Hamano) writes:

   Two more important reasons why a symbolic link is a nightmare
   are:

   (1) with a hard link, you can tell a file is pointed at by
   somebody else by looking at the target file, but a target file a
   symbolic file is pointing at doesn't know it is pointed at by
   somebody else at all; after removing such a file, the symbolic
   link pointing to it becomes an useless dangling link (it points
   to an non-existent file).  With a hard link, you don't have this
   problem; the original disappears from the directory structure,
   but the file itself is not removed as long as any hard link is
   pointing to it.

   (2) with symbolic links, you have to be very careful not to tar
   off symbolic links without tarring the originals they are
   pointing at (unless the targets are well-known places in the
   directory tree); otherwise, when you unpack the tar archive, you
   will have only pointers and no real data ---useless dangling link
   again.

While these are indeed properties of symbolic links, you
can as easily view them as blessings as nightmares.  We are
proposing to install the files for a package in one directory
tree and create symbolic links in the "guts" of the file
system.  The nice thing about symbolic links is that they
can tell you where they are pointing, whereas all you know about
a hard link is how many other names it has.  To de-install the
foo package you just remove every symbolic link anywhere that
points to /packages/foo/* and then rm -rf /packages/foo/*.  If
you have a dangling link into /packages/foo/* you just get the
foo distribution and extract the missing file.  If it is not there,
the link is not needed in this new version of foo and you can
remove it; but there is no need to.  There is also little danger
of point (2), a distribution containing links but missing the real
files; if the distributer did a "tar cf - /packages/foo" there is no
way they will omit any real files.  The tricky part is including
all the necessary links, but I don't think it is that tricky.

Furthermore, if you want to try out foo-1.3alpha you just make
/packages/foo a symbolic link to /packages/foo-1.3alpha.  The
benefits are numerous.

-david
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: Will LINUX work with mine?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:52:12 GMT

In article <1588@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:
>I have a reasonable PC:
>
>20MHz 386sx
>4Mb RAM
>200Mb HD
>VGA
>
>Is this good enough for LINUX, or do I need more RAM/disk space/power?
>
In my opinion,(NOTE: I am new to Linux.  I just installed .95a to my
system last night) that system should work fine.  I installed .95a to
a 386sx16 with 2 meg of ram and a 40 meg HD.

I have 3 HD partitions.  a 5 meg dos, a 30 meg Linux, and a five meg
swap.  I am very pleased with the speed of tar and compress while I am
on a second (virtual) console.  Of course, I havn't tried compiling
anything yet (I just ftped gcc last night) so I don't know to what
extent this system will work yet.  I'm too poor at present to upgrade the
HD and RAM.... maybe I'll steal the 120 HD from my 286 BBS system.

       tweek@netcom.com  tweek@tweekco.uucp  WWIVNet 5@5058  4@5056 
          I'd rather get my cable service from the phone company,
                than my phone service from the cable company.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: runefr@ifi.uio.no (Rune Fr|ysa)
Subject: Accessing IRQ/IO instructions under Linux.
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:09:18 GMT
Originator: runefr@maud.ifi.uio.no


Hello.

Since Linux is (fortunately) running under protected mode, I have
some difficulties determining how to use my MPU-401 MIDI interface.
Under DOS, i would redirect IRQ 3 (or 9, or .. have forgot the 
number) to an interrupt routine of my own.
Well, I can get my program work without this IRQ help, but I also
need access to port 330h and 331h. In DOS, a simple IO instuction
would be sufficient, but in Linux, I guess that I have to tell the
kernel to do this. 

BTW: The program is in GCC.

Thanks for any help.

-Rune


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: robbel@fwi.uva.nl (Robert Belleman)
Subject: XFree 1.1 with T8900; mixed results.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:59:48 GMT


In my ongoing attempts to get XFree 1.1 running on my 386DX/25MHz Linux .99
box with Hedaka SVGA card (T8900B ... not C, 1024K ram) I managed to get a
800x600 monochrome screen up and running (using the Xconfig posted a while
ago). Any (virtual) screen with a resolution higher than 800x600 exits with
the error:

  VGA2: Too little memory for virtual resolution

which, I guess, can be explained by the preceeding notice:

  VGA2: tvga8900 (mem: 1024k (using 64k) numclocks: 8)
                              ^^^^^^^^^
And indeed; making a "Virtual 800 655" screen (: 32 bytes short of 64k)
still works while anything over that exits with the mentioned error.
Bummer ... I want at least 1024x768 (should look good on a 20" Micro-
Vitek monitor)!

When I try to run 256 color X the server exits with the error:

  Trident driver only supports TVGA8900C

Which leaves me with (at least) two questions:

  1. why won't monochrome X allow me to use more than 64k 
     display memory so that I can use screens of higher
     resolutions than 800x600?

  2. why does the 256 color Trident display driver only support
     T8900C chips? What's this annoying difference between the
     T8900B and C?

All info appreciated. Also; I have some info on the Trident 8900 chips
from a guy who ones wrote a driver for it in Turbo Pascal. The maintainer
of the Trident driver sources might want to look at that in case she/he
has problems getting the chip's specs from Trident.

I even tried specifying different "chipset"s in the Xconfig file and got
some mixed results with "pvga1": there definitely _is_ color and the
cursor is there (I even managed to shutdown the server by selection of
the "Exit" item from the menu) but the screen flickers as hell and the
complete system hangs when the server exits.

-- Rob ... and probably a lot of others who are having the same
           problems with XFree and the Trident cards ...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Trying to compile cweb (strange gcc message)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:25:35 GMT

  I have tried to install the ``literate programming'' system cweb,
which consists of the programs common.c, ctangle.c, cweave.c.  I'm using
the 97p2 MCC release.

   Common.c seems to compile, but ctangle.c produces a message like:

/pub/include/stdio : parse error before '02'.

Specifically I don't understand why it's complaining about a header file
rather than ctangle.c itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: keith@aisg.com (Keith B. Kee {AISG} )
Subject: HELP: installation confusion
Organization: Accura
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 02:17:06 GMT

Recently, I have obtained the SLS package from the net. I managed to get
the system running, but was not able to get the system to work like I
wish it had. I hope you Linux gurus out there could help me with these
questions so that I won't have to burn my vacation away too much, figuring
out the following problems:
	1) My first partition is a MSDOS partition. Therefore, I like
	   Linux to appear like this:
		/dev/hda2  10M  /root
		/dev/hda3  10M  swap
		/dev/hda4  80M / /usr
			
	  However, since the limitation of linux, I can only have a 
	  primary partition of 64MB size, I tried changing the partition
	  to type EXTENDED. Reading the install documentation convince me
	  that an extended partition can go up to 1 terabyte. Unfortunately,
	  when I do a 'mkfs /dev/hda4 81920', I received an error message
	  of something about exceeding the 64M barrier. This may be my
	  lack of understanding the concept of extended partition.
	  To confuse myself further, I tried to analyze the example shown
	  in the README. It shows that it is possible to have a primary
	  partition being overlapped by a extended partition with the
	  same start and end sector. Is this possible?

	2) LILO - how does this work? I like to be able to boot linux 
	   entirely from the hard disk. Also, I like be able to choose
	   between booting MSDOS and Linux. Do I need a DOS Switcher in
	   addition to LILO?

I would appreciate you could send your help via email because I don't get
access to the net often.

Thanks in advance.

Keith
email: keith@aisg.com


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning)
Subject: linux toshiba laptop
Reply-To: ted@nmsu.edu
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:23:40 GMT



i am about to install linux on my toshiba laptop (an 1850)

has anybody already done this?

are there any problems with the power management hardware or the
display? 

does anybody have any hardware specifications for the toshiba power
management hardware so that i could write a program which mostly
sleeps, but which keeps an eye on things so that shutdown can be done
cleanly power runs low?
From: ah200@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Randy Beiter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Annoyance with man & new lib?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:19:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah200@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Randy Beiter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Anyone know where I can grab the new binary for man? My version came with
no source and since my new libc was installed, it complains about stat()
old version being used, man still works but with lotsa spamage :) Tanks
much
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From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux and OS/2
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:24:22 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jonathan Magid (jem@sunSITE.unc.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec30.174352.4550@gallant.apple.com> erwin#m#_mike.ast_-_tac_mail_server@msgate.corp.apple.com (Mike Erwin) writes:
: >
: >You can't run another whole operating system inside of another
: 
: Try telling this to the VM people down the hall!
: 
: jem.
: 
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Right...
The correct statement is:

"Current Intel 386/486 series cannot nest 'Ring 0' programs in
hardware."

Using other terms:
This means that a 32-bit (Ring 0, priviledged) OS (like all full
Unixes, OS/2, Windows NT, Windows in enhanced mode) cannot run
underneath another with simple hardware modes.

They could run unpriviliged and have the priviliged instructions
emulated.

VM (On IBM compatible Mainframes) does this nesting, either in
hardware or software (I don't know...).

What the world (at least the Unix world) needs right now is a 'virtual
386 mode', where the 386-8086 part is emulated in software.  This
would even allow a version of Unix to run under itself.  This would be
great for debugging (kernels, startup, etc.).

Additionally, running Windows programs in a 32-bit environment under
Unix and translating (optionally) the video calls (via a special
Windows graphic device driver? which should get high-level commands)
to X would be fantastic.

All it takes is some hard work.

Note that Soft-PC and Sun-PC both emulate at least a 286 in software,
as that is what it takes to run Windows 3.1 (unlike 3.0 which would
run on 8086).

The Sun-PC 486 board even lets you run a full 32-bit application/os's with
full vga mapped efficiently onto X windows.

sdw
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Re: X and Orchid Fahrenheit 1280
Reply-To: ramesh@utdallas.edu
Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas, ACC
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.053841.3727@msi.com>, greg@spool (Greg Wells) writes:
|> Reuben Regucera (reubenr@netcom.com) wrote:
|> : I have just installed SLS.98p5 from sunsite and everything
|> : looks fine. My problem is the chipset for my video card (86c924)
|> : is not in the Xconfig choices. Is it not supported or is there a sub?
|> 
|> Hi Reuben,
|> 
|> You need to pick up an XS3 server from an ftp site.  archie at my site
|> reveals only two sites with XS3:
|> 
|> Host ascwide.ascii.co.jp
|> 
|>     Location: /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports
|> 	  DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x       2048  Nov 16 13:08  XS3
|> 
|> Host isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
|> 
|>      Location: /BSD/0.1-ports
|>     	  DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x        384  Dec 15 03:29  XS3
|>      Location: /BSD/386BSD-0.1-ports
|>           DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x        384  Dec 15 03:29  XS3
|>      Location: /BSD/386bsd-0.1/unofficial/ports
|> 	  DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x        384  Dec 15 03:29  XS3
|> 
|> I have mouse configuration problems which caused my server to hang with 
|> no possible software interupt, so if your Orchid 1280 does not work at first 
|> with the XS3 Xconfig, you may wnat to look at the mouse settings first.
|> 
|> --
|> Greg_Wells@west.msi.com
|> 
|> All statements are my own opinions and do not in any way represent
|> MSI as an organization.

This archie listing  seem to refer to the XS3 directories for 386BSD and
not for Linux. The linux port is available in ftp.robots.ox.ac.uk. If I am
correct 386BSD XS3 will not work with Linux.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca (James MacLean)
Subject: SLS98pl6 UUGETTY - Problem logging on above 1200 baud
Summary: Can't login to uugetty above 1200 baud via remote
Keywords: UUGETTY login
Organization: Student Assistance
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:20:22 GMT

  When using uugetty from SLS98pl6, I have no problem logging in remotely at
1200 baud. When I log in at another baud (i.e. 2400) I am only getting garble
from Linux. I have watched the Linux modem and noticed that the modem is 
connecting at 2400 baud, and my remote system aggrees, but the garbage on the
screen looks like the wrong baud is being used by Linux. I have set it up in
the inittab with 2400 baud setting only, as it does not seem to allow 
multiple bauds as getty does. I also tried using the BREAK signal which 
worked with getty, to no avail.  
  Any help would be appreciated,

THNXS.
JES
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