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From: SCKJP@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (Kevin Parker)
Subject: TVM or CTX monitor?
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:50:40 CST

 
     I plan to purchase a 15" monitor soon and I am torn between the
TVM Mediascan 5A+LR, and the CTX-1560.  I saw a review on the TVM in PC World
a couple of months ago and it recieved a pretty good review. PC World said the
monitor was a flat-screen, but when I called Insight (who sells the monitors),
I was told that the monitor was not flat-screen.  I plan to call TVM and ask
them about the CRT. I just wanted to get some feedback on monitors by these two
companies, so if anyone owns either of these monitors, or any other monitors
by TVM or CTX and would like to share your opinions about the monitor, please
send e-mail to SCKJP@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU.
 
 
                                            Thanks for your help,
                                                           Kevin
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Looking for 32-bit SIMMs
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:46:59 GMT

My new Tandy Sensation! comes with 4 meg. I'd like to upgrade to at
least 8 and preferably 16 meg. However, this machine uses 32-bit wide
SIMMs which I've never seen before. Does anyone have source/cost info
on these SIMMs? Thanks.
-- 
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From: jdoll@cup.portal.com (Joe - Doll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:15:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

"The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for 
PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-
tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, 
design automation, and data analysis and presentation.  
  
If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) 
mailing address.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ravalent@mothra.syr.EDU (Bob Valentine)
Subject: XDP/Fujitsu Laser Printers and Scanners
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:11:16 EST

I recently came across a XDP "Video Jukebox".  The name is
mis-leading; is is actually a mulitple CD rom (14", that is)
machine, with some form of built in network. Supposedly ran 
Unix, and this thing was it's own network.  I digress.

Most of its parts are made by other companies.  The two idems 
I am interested in are the laser printers and scanners that go
with it:

    The outsides are marked XDP, but guts have Fujitsu written 
all over them:

   The printers are Fujitsu model 3727MA. (4 of 'em)  
   The scanners are Fujitsu model 3094E.  (3 of 'em)

I have a chance to get these at a very low price, but I would like to 
find out a little about them.  Both have DB-25 and DB-36 connectors on
the back.  I'm more intersested in the scanners, and would be hooking 
them up to a 386 class machine.

  If you can provide info on either one, and/or would like one, 
please email....

________________________________________________________________________
\ The name:            -->   Bob Valentine  <--                        /
/ The address:      --> ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu <--                   \ 
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From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: RODIME Drive Specs Needed
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:21:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I also need the pin connection to slave a RODINE MDL 3095 IDE 80MD
drive if there is someone out there that has them...Sam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: TAR for the PC ?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:53:10 GMT

A friend of mine has a 33Mhz '486 clone with a "Adeptech" SCSI interface,
and a 150Mb SCSI tape drive. 

He would like to know how to read and write TAR tapes. Is there any
software that will do this?

Please email me as I am not a regular visitor to this group.


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From: matthias@nsr.hp.com (Matthias Kamm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: The Death of x86 Arch. ?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:54:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
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fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: 
: Why would someone with one of those processors want to run NT?  I'd
: much rather run the SGI UNIX/X stuff on an Indigo than run NT.
: 
You're missing the point.  People currently running DOS/Windows will
be moving to NT.  Those users outnumber UNIX users by several orders
of magnitude.  Sure, anyone who's used UNIX (I'll stick to HPUX :-> )
will tend to stay with it.

: Only if you think people are going to dump UNIX and flock to NT.  They
: aren't.  

Imagine this:
You're "upgrading" operating systems and currently use MSDOS 5.0
and want to keep the investment you've made in PC s/w safe. Will you 
run your software on an x86 platform, or buy a "PC" running windows
NT with an Alpha processor, say, with 10x the computing power!  I'd 
BAG the antiquated x86 family and go with RISC.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: SCSI HD for MAC & PC = REFORMAT?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:04:33 GMT

In <1992Dec16.163340.13887@mcs.anl.gov> peterson@vulcan.mcs.anl.gov (nosreteP ekiM) writes:


>	Speaking of SCSI for the MAC & PC, I've recently bought a
>SCSI drive that was pulled from a MAC. It's a Quantum LPS240. I've
>never had a SCSI drive before, only IDE hard drives where you entered
>the setup info in the the hard drive tables stored in the CMOS RAM. I've 
>just recently purchased a SCSI adaptor for this drive (it hasn't arrived yet),
>but I'm wondering how I would go about installing this drive. I'm told that
>the drive does not have setup information to be entered into the CMOS
>setup. How then is the drive recognized? Also, since the drive was in a 
>Mac, I'll need to format it, right? Will DOS's FDISK and FORMAT do the
>job? Or is a low-level format required? Thanks for your help!

The drive should be found by the SCSI controller on power-up.  The
controller should come with a format utility to format drives to its
satisfaction. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sct@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen Tenbrink)
Subject: Re: Zero Insertion Force (ZIP) sockets
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:28:45 GMT

ZIF sockets are not new, having been around for at least 10 years.  The
early ones were used in PROM programmers so that the parts could be easily
inserted and programmed.  

With the Intel Overdrive upgrade CPU approach some manufacturers decided to
put ZIF sockets on their motherboards to make the upgrade easier.  Believe
me, it is easier.  We recently did an upgrade on a non-ZIF motherboard and
ended up removing the motherboard from the chassis in order to insert the
new CPU chip.




-- 
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sct@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RISC defined! Was Re: 486SLC chip.... what is it?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:19:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.150243.26083@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
> Then how did Sun move from the Sun 3 to the Sparc?  The Sparc doesn't
> run 680X0 stuff at all.

The Sparc is *significantly* faster, and the UNIX API isn't an ABI.
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From:  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 3-chip vs 9-chip SIMMs?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:43:18 GMT
Followup-To: 3-chip vs 9-chip SIMMs?
Organization: Xerox
Originator: msprague@superior

As far as I know, 9 chip SIMMs have been around longer than the 3 chip
kind.  While 3 chip SIMMs usually cost less, than the 9 chip type, the
3 chip type have a bad reputation for not always working right.  Their
refresh requirements were different, and so they wouldn't work with all
motherboards.  I must disagree with the person who called them poorly
designed motherboards.  You can't really expect a motherboard to support
two different types of refresh at the same time, for what it thinks are
the same kind of memory!!

The rule of thumb _has_ been that if you can get 9 chip SIMMs, get them
over the 3 chip kind.  On the other hand, if the 3 chip kind were known
to work in your computer, go for it, as they usually cost a little less.

I wrote the above in the past tense because I read somewhere that the
manufactures of SIMMs recognized the refresh problems with 3 chip SIMMs,
and have taken steps to correct them so that there should no longer be
any problems.  Just in case, I would suggest not mixing the kinds in a
PC, but if it works ... it works.

Note that my PC contains all 3 chip SIMM's (25 MHz 386, with '90 timeframe
AMI BIOS), and I have not had any trouble with them.

			~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:14:10 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec14.234146.24221@leland.Stanford.EDU> mrbill@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Bowen) writes:
>I use an AMD 386DX40 and I am very pleased with it. It runs DR-DOS, Win 3.1
>and OS/2 flawlessly and fast.

Truly a nice CPU, it is.

>Take a look in the December Byte. There's an article comparing various CPUs
>including the AMD chip. 


>The benchmarks indicate that its performance is
>comparable to the Intel 486DX33. 

This is rubbish.  I have one of each, and they are definitely NOT 
"comparable", unless you mean "same order of magnitude".  The 486 DX 33 is
about 2 times faster, almost always 1.5x faster on anything you want to run.

>If you want to add a math coprocessor,
>it's much cheaper to buy a '387 from Cyrix, IIT or ULSI (~ $90{).

Yes, but you still do not get the benefits of 1-clock instructions that
the 486 was designed for.

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From: mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: I'm sick of off-white computers!
Date: 19 Dec 1992 07:36:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Dec18.105907@IASTATE.EDU>, jelast@IASTATE.EDU (Jim Last) says:
>
>        Yes, I realize this is a trivial and meaningless
>question, (especially when you have such earth-shattering
>topics to deal with, such as "My Mac's better than your PC"
>and the like)* but I was wondering how easy is it to order a
>PC clone in some other color than off-white.
>        I'm a big fan of the NeXT and their contemporary black
>design, and even the Zenith Data System configurations that I've
>seen are a really neato "bone" color.
>        So in short, could someone humor me and let me know
>if most PC dealers can supply different "colored" systems.
>I'd really appreciate the information.

I'm still waiting for a chance to buy a stereo that's some color OTHER
than "contemporary black", and I'm hoping that beige is the rage.  I've
seen digital audio tape machines in PC-beige, and beige sure beats my
current stereo stuff which is all black with black buttons labeled
in dark grey.  Can't you just picture an all black PC keyboard with the 
black keys labeled with black letters? Shades (!) of the all black spaceship
in the Hitchhiker's Guide. 

Anyway.

Blue Dolphin Computers was selling all black machines, at a premium price
compared with the beige ones.  But I think they went out of business.
Maybe it was related.  I hope so.

*Marty


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: ATI is making me mad
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:05:41 GMT

labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.025915.14990@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> frigo@psl.wisc.edu
>(Sean P. Frigo UW-Madison SRC (608)877-2332,-2001(FAX)) writes: 
>> Where are the OS/2 drivers?  It's been out for 8 months and there's nothing.
>> Calling ATI is a waste:  A rude person answers that doesn't even acknowledge
>> you've reached ATI.  Phone etiquette notwithstanding,  I have friends who
>> have bought UltraPros that now seem like they were not entirely finished.
>> They are buggy and the promised windows drivers a mess.  Reading this
>> newsgroup confirms this.

>And don't bother writing to ATI either.  At least not if you like
>companies you purchase goods from to reply to your concerns.  ATI has
>nice hardware, but seems content to treat their customers like shit.
*----
That's too bad - I was going to suggest that writing would be more
effective.  I'm angry not just because of the inadequate OS/2 support,
but also because the Vesa driver is virtually useless.  My ATI Ultra
is a nice piece of hardware and does a good job in windows, but
it's wasted where I need it the most.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
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From: david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:09:32 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <Bz1uAI.Iwt@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>In article <1992Dec4.021231.42032@datamark.co.nz> david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland) writes:
>>In article <ByKECw.Bp4@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>>>Come on, people. We know what's really involved here: Windows and OS/2
>>>look like crap, and System 7 is pretty and cute. I would much rather 
>>>spend my hours looking at a mac desktop, than an IBM anything. Besides, 
>>>any GUI that forces me to double click to close a window does not deserve my
>>>attention. Of course, neither has anything on NeXTstep!
>>>
>>I wonder why the mac and the amiga has a pc emulation whereas the pc
>>doesn't need one :-}  
>
>The PC certainly does- Windows.  :)
>

Ummmmm, Isn't the main argument in this thread about the fact that
windows and the mac desktop are two different enitities ??? :->
From: bms00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: headland chip set memory decoding.
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:00:47 GMT
Reply-To: bms00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

From: bms00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Headland chip set
Expires: 
Reply-To: bms00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Followup-To: 
Distribution: USA
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Keywords:chipset,headland,simm

Hi,
I've been experimentingwith the SIM memory on my 386sx. A bad SIMM in the
second slot is detected by the AMI BIOS at init time. Bios disables the slot
boots as normal. I would like to be able to use DEBUG i/o instruction to access
the Headland chip set hardware and reenable the slot for error diagnosis.
   My initial musings around a dissembly of the BIOS indicate that CMOS
location x'8F' is used for this function( o70,8f then i71 or o71,xx) but how
this location maps to memory control is a mystery. Any help would be appreciate
d.
Regards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan)
Subject: Current SIMM Pricing
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:31:43 GMT


Can someone email me the current pricing (low) on 4x9x60ns SIMMs??
Also the phone # and name of the place that stocks them.  Are we
still getting gouged by this Korean BS??

Thanks - NT awaits if I get up to 20 MB -
Tim


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: "Windoze" slow? Naah...Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:56:58 GMT

In article <Bz3x7z.1LD@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Iskandar Taib (ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>
>} are gurus anyhow. I also have to know quite a bit about Macs since 
>} we have an equal number of Macs and Mac users. I try to avoid them 
>} for my own work as much as possible however - they just annoy me 
>} too much. The exception is MacDraw II - I wish Claris would hurry 
>} up and port it to Windows.
>
>Imagine that. MacDraw for Windows! I don't think it will happen
>because Claris is a spinoff of Apple Computer.

Don't hold your breath. Claris announced it was porting stuff to
Windows a while back. Apple supposedly is making peripherals for
PCs now (I believe it was a scanner - read it in InfoWorld some 
weeks ago.) Claris was free from Apple thralldom for a while, but
I hear its been reenslaved.

There _is_ MacDraft for Windows though 9-)



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From: marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc Heuler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Beef Sandwich - Re: Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
Date: 19 Dec 92 08:53:05 GMT
Organization: ImageArts

In article <gL7PVB3w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
>OS/2 is a real OS.  While there are still some bugs, it is by far better than
>anything on top of DOS/windows or DOS/Desqview.   At least running about 6 to 8
>different things at the same time wont crash the system or cause share violation
>like another "ooperation system"

Right now I have exactly 40 tasks running, about 7 of them beeing real
applications, the rest is the usual make_life_easier_but_stay_away_from_me
stuff. My system crashes about twice a week, while I'm either looking through
new utilities, or debugging my developments. Both are situations where crashes
are normal, and I KNOW the system might crash the next five minutes. Every
crash is MY fault, not the machines'.

By the way, I'm using your so-called 'another "operation system"', it's
AmigaDOS on my (still) 68000 based Amiga. And I like it.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Should WD Caviar 2200 be noisy?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:13:28 GMT

In <1992Dec16.144503.23055@news.uiowa.edu> bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian) writes:

>Do you know how the WD2200 compares to the Seagate ST3283A, esp with
>re to noise? I was all set to get the Seagate when the guy at HDI 
>told me about the WD2200.  I want a drive that is quiet (this is for 
>home use, and I am practically sitting on top of the drive) *and* of
>course fast and reliable!

 Hmm, I've got some sort of Seagate 200 Meg drive in my computer
and it's fairly quiet.  We also have a couple Maxtor and Western Digital
340 Meg drives here.  The WD drives are quieter.

 From my experience your computer's case is going to have much more of a
bearing on quietness than the manufacturer of the harddrive.  A good
solid case will dampen the noise better.

>Also, what is the MTBF for the WD, just out of curiosity? The HDI
>person told me 200,000 hours but I think it's more like 100,000 for
>the WD and 200,000 for the Seagate.

>I wonder why WD can offer a two year warranty vs a one year warranty
>on the Seagate.

 Because the Seagate numbers are in minutes and the WD ones are in hours?

 100,000 hours equates to 100000/24/365 = 11.4 years.

 So on the average this drive is going to last you much longer than the
usefulness of it.  In five years you'll want something bigger, faster
whatever.


 Personally I don't like quiet drives.  That includes floppies as well.
I want to be able to hear the computer doing something.  Now I don't
like shrill whining sounds, but a good solid chunk chunk now and
then is good.

 My favorite is the RZ55 and RZ58 drives in our DECStation 5000/200, these
drives make good solid chunks and so I know that the computer is trying
to do something and it's not just the network hanging again.


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: crg@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Chuck Grissom)
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:51:00 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In article <1992Dec10.193654.14395@netcom.com>, chuck@netcom.com (Cheuk Cheng) writes:
|> Hmm, I am just curious in all these discussion.  Can anybody give me some
|> examples of how the Mac interface and Finder work better than Windows?  Or
|> how it lead to shorter time of learning to use programs of the same or
|> similar category?  One thing I do know is that all the keyboard commands
|> for cut, copy and paste are the same for most if not all Mac programs.
|> 

I don't know if the Mac OS is *better* than Windows, but it is cleaner *looking*
(and you do have to look at your computer to use it) and (nearly) all Mac
applications use the interface guidelines so that it is quite easy to just start
up a new app and figure out how to use it long before you have to read the
manual.  I don't think this is true for Windows apps in general, and this is
a significant drawback to the system.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware