HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: a joke, just a joke
Organization: MITRE
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:03:54 GMT

I have an '88 Hyndai excel, 5 speed 5 doors.  It is a good car.  Of course
its quality can not compete with Benz or Toyota.  However, if you consider
the price factor (Performance / Price), it is very competitive.  I don't
think any car made in Taiwan can compete with Hyndai.  I remember 15 years
ago Chao Yaw-Tong (nick name TieTou - iron head) suggested to establish a
large scale auto factor producing 200,000 autos per year.  Unfortunately,
his suggestion was ignored.  Without a large scale auto factory, it is
impossible to compete with other auto factories in the international
market.  I think mainland China has the same problem.  They have too many
small auto factories.  It is not cost effective.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:10:15 GMT


In article <BuI2L5.GLL@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep13.032226.27811@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>=
>=Neither do I, but your tactic to paint non-TIers as KMT supporters will get you
>=nowhere.
> 
>I certainly did not paint non-TIers as KMT supporters, but I
>wonder why you said that?
> 
>Hate me? Do I worth you to hate? Or you just a hateful person?
>No wonder Saint Marry cried and cries.
> 
>Please do not make up something, just because full of hate!
> 

Here it comes again. I am pretty sure Mr. ROT must have displayed half page 
of his opinion on one window so he can cut and paste to other window. :-)

Mr. ROT, we are getting tired of your old "Saint Mary" jokes. Time to provide
new one, please.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.153238.1512@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
=Do you think your story is also only one case?!  I don't want to argue this
=is one case or two cases.  My suggestion to TIer is that: If you want TI,
=then give the minorities (Mainlander, Hakka, native Taiwanese) a chance to
=express their political point of view.  If these minorities want joint the

Sounds like ROC is gonverned by dictatorship TIers who do not
allow freedom of speech. 
Should you at least wait until TI-ers have the control of the ROC 
to make that kind of argument?

But since you made the argument, change TI to KMT would make
a lot of sense, because KMT is the guy in power, KMT is
the guy who suppresses minorities, KMT is the guy who
jails the freedom og speech.

So if you replace TI with KMT in your argument, then it all
fit perfectly.  ;-(

=new ROT, it is fine.  However, if these minorities do NOT want joint ROT,
=TIer should respect their right and give them a chance to establish their

I really hope KMT can do what you said. At least KMT should
give majority a chance to build their own country, not to
mention minority.  ;-(

=own contry/contries.  Give a vote to these minorities to decide their own
=future.  Do you think it is too much to
=ask??!!

KMT does not even allow a population vote. As to your idea
of minority vote. What a crazy idea!
I myself, a single minority. Is KMT going to give
me freedom to build my own country in Taiwan?

Are you sure you that you only have a drink?
Sounds intoxiated to me. Take a cab. Don't drive.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.003327.16057@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:

I wrote,
=>This is what I always said, let people decide their own future.
=>Taiwanese need not KMT, CCP, DDP or whatever tell them what
=>to do. Let's have a democratic system, a population vote,
=>a fair election system and let people elect their own
=>government, let people decide they want to change the name
=>of the country or not, let people decide they want to
=                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>own Tibet, Mainland China and Mongolia or not.
=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=
=Hmmmm. Last week same guy proposed moving those KMTers who claim Mainland,
=Tibet, to those places. I guess he changes mind. :-)
=

What I said was " move those KMTers who claim to own Tibet to Tibet,
who claim to own Mongolia to Mongolia and who claim to own Mainland
China to Mainland China".

Those KMT bugheads who claim to own Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China
are also in power to force people in Taiwan to follow their claims.

People in Taiwan just has no freedom to claim to own or
to claim not to own.

So what I proposed was 'let people in Taiwan decide they
want to own Tibet, Mongolia and Mongolia or not'

(I guess not many people in Taiwan are interested in KMT's and CCP's
claiming each other and prepare to invade each other and
hate both KMT's and CCP's not giving a damm about people's life
in the both sides.)

Also I never change my statement that 'move those KMT bugheads
who claim to own Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China to their
so claimed properties."


I guess, once there was a proposal that move those war-thirsty
CCPers and KMTers to the South Pole and let them fight each
other over there and we people in the both side can live
peacefully together.

No one wants a war except those KMT and CCP claimers.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: TW News 15/9/92
Organization: National Univ of Singapore
Source: The Straits Times
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:48:33 GMT


US-CHINA START CRUCIAL TALKS ON MARKET ACCESS

BEIJING -- With a threst-ended trade war about four weeks away, US and
Chinese officials yesterday opened talks aimed at narrowing a major rift
over access to the Chinese market.

US Deputy Assistant Trade Representative Michael Moskow and chief
negotiator Ira Wolf, the Assistant Trade Representative in charge of
China and Japan, began talks yesterday with Chinese officials, the US
Embassy said.

Details about yesterday's round talks were not available immediately.

The Senate was expected to vote yesterday on a Bill that would require
China to improve its human-rights record, limit its arms sales and open
its market before the nation is granted a renewal of its preferential
access to the American market, known as Most-Favoured-Nation status.

-ooOoo-

CHINA STRATEGIC PLANS TO INVEST US$800 MILLION IN CHINA OVER 5 YEARS

NINGBO(CHINA) -- Mr Oei Hong Leong's China Strategic Investment is
planning a US$800-million investment to build up its industrial and
menufacturing business in China over the next 5 years.

Mr Oei, who is the chief executive of the company, said on Sunday that
most would be spent on expanding its pulp-paper joint venture in Ningbo,
a coastal city in Zhejiang province.

-ooOoo-

HK TO SELL COLLAPSED BANK

HONGKONG -- The Hongkong government launched a long-awaited process
yesterday to sell the Overseas Trust Bank, a local bank which collapsed
in 1985.

Secretary for Monetary Affairs David Nendick said the government had
appointed Jardine Fleming Securities to advise it on how best to dispose
of the bank, which has a highly-prized 48-branch network throughout the
British colony.

-ooOoo-

WEATHER

Taipei  - 24/32C - Clear
Hongkong- 27/31C - Clear
Beijing - 15/27C - Cloudy

-ooOoo-


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:22:55 GMT


In article <BuJ6tA.LEA@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>
>Sorry I did not make very clear. What I mean 'personal opinion'
>about certain issues is I don't want to force my will upon
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>other people. When I post my opinion on SCT, they always
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>are choices and people can choose them or not choose them.
>For example,
>If people support KMT's claim about territoy, what would happen?
>If people does not support KMT's claim about territoy, what would happen?

"I don't want to force my will upon other people" -
Sure, remember you have suggested Holo and Haka to hate WSR in this newsgroup.

"When I post my opinion on SCT, they always are choices"
Choices? You want to move Taiwan people who claims the Mainland to North 
Pole. Do they have choice? 

>KMT and CCP can claim whatever they want, but it does not
>change 'ROC is an independent country', though it does and did
>affect ROC's diplomatic relationships with other countries.

KMT never said "ROC is not an independent country" but always says "ROC is 
an independent country". 

>KMT is a group of people hired by the people to manage
>the country. Somehow this group of people is getting
>out of people's control and claiming 'KMT owns KMT's
>Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China and preparing
>to invade and recover Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China'

In fact, on August 1, 1992, ROC government redefined "China" and said
that "At present ROC has sovereignty on Taiwan and several small islands 
only, PRC has sovereignty on the Mainland China only". ROC has disclaimed
those places you have mentioned. So You can stop moving those people now.

>IMHO, KMT's claims and evil doing does not fit country(people)'s
>best interest.

Does your "Republic of Taiwan" fit country(people)'s best interest?
If not, you better disclaim soon, otherwise, claimers will be sent to North 
Pole as you suggested.

>So I suggest country(people) has a population vote to have
>a tighter control of the evil manager - KMT or replace
>another manager to suit country(people)'s best interest.

So I suggest country(people) has a population vote to have
a tighter control of the evil manager - ROT or replace
another manager to suit country(people)'s best interest. 

A tactic learned from Mr. ROT. :-)
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Date: 12 Sep 1992 23:58:46 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep13.032226.27811@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
=
=Neither do I, but your tactic to paint non-TIers as KMT supporters will get you
=nowhere.

I certainly did not paint non-TIers as KMT supporters, but I
wonder why you said that?

Hate me? Do I worth you to hate? Or you just a hateful person?
No wonder Saint Marry cried and cries.

Please do not make up something, just because full of hate!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yeh@sceng.ub.com (D. Yeh)
Subject: Re: Air fare to Taiwan???
Organization: Ungermann-Bass
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:00:00 GMT

In article <BuK3qJ.I47.2@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:

>Hi s.c.t. netters,

>I am planning to go back to Taiwan to visit my family in december, and 
>I would like to know what are the current air fare from different airlines,
>and also what are the good deals for air tickets.

>I appreciate any kind of help, since it's hard for me to get informations about travel agency promotions and sales to Taiwan here from Pittsburgh. I am sure people from other parts of U.S. have better access to this kind of information (i.e, CA, NY, OR, >tc...).

>Thanks in advance,

>     Tsen

	The air fare could be quite expensive between Dec.13 and Jan.10, '93,
	since that period is considered as a hot season. The price I got is
	in between 950-1000 (weekday), 1000+ (weekend) from San Francisco
	to Taipei.
	
	>> David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa(Republic of For More Sin)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.100250.29793@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
From: yuqian@bvc.edu (Suicidal Freshman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: F16 to Taiwan
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:22:32 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <2AAC0568.22007@news.service.uci.edu>, eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Wei Wu) writes:

> willing to sell F-16's to Taiwan. Therefore there is no way he will back
> out of this sale with those GM workers watching behind him.
                              ^^

For god sake, they only make cars.  It is GD (General Dynamics).

SF
bvc

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13375 soc.culture.china:25564
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: BSR and WSR
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:24:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <BuJvss.15G@rlyeh.multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>People always can make laws not the other way around.
>The way Joe argued is the law can not be touched.

I didn't say that.  I believe that criminal codes ought to be written
very carefully to include only very well-defined, specific crimes.  If
you define crimes vaguely then you are giving the government
permission to punish anyone it doesn't like.  This is the problem with
"counterrevolution" and the old Article 100.

Now, what I was wondering was what specific and well-defined crime,
you think that people who "isolate Taiwan diplomatically" ought to be
charged with.  I was asking if you could cite a crime in the ROC
Criminal Code or the criminal code of any other government which they
would be guilty of.

My suspicion is that their only "crime" is to undertake governmental
policies which you disagree with and which you think are against the
interest of people living in Taiwan. 

>What I did is just inicate a possibility
>of those people might commit a crime to the warefare
>of Taiwanese.

Name the crime which you think has been committed.

>Let's see it can be changed or not.
>I certainly will be the promoter of new law upon
>those people who commit crimes against Taiwanese welfare.

And I'll fight against you unless you make the "crime" more specific
enough so that it cannot be used against anyone the government or the
public dislikes.  




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:12:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.145926.12051@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:

>He also created a little wonder land "Republic of Kailan" (or "Republic of 
>Taiwan") for himself and will send tax bill to whoever disagrees with him 
>(I received one last week). When you express your opinion about Taiwan but 

If he really does, you can complain to the U. S. Postal Service for violations
against postal regulations.  I am sure that will stop him from mailing those
out.

(Waiting for a tax bill so that the U. S. Postal Service can sober him up)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:56:10 GMT


In article <BuMx06.Hwn@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep15.024529.25523@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>=
>=c.q.: (I assume I am talking to right person)
>=
>=After reading several of your posts, I dont think you will have any trouble 
>=when you go back to China, most of your opinion is quite in line with CCP's. 
>=I am not going to argue your political belief here because You are the one 
>=to make choice. (BTW, my impression you are more like CCP's reformer).
> 
>Jesu, I am THE CCP and I SAID you ARE OK to go back to China.
>Why you can go back to China?
>CUZ, I, THE CCP said so.
> 
>It seems MR. Li are trying very hard to judge people who
>posts news on the net.
> 
>This person posts this must be that.
>This person posts such such must be this this.

Yes, no one should judge others. 

But Mr. ROT, your following remarks on Mr. c.q. and Chinese is judgement or 
attack? based on what?

Quote from post #29641:

"OH! My God! Do you c.q. think you are a blood thirsty
 student killer?
 That's how other people think Chinese are.              "

>=But I am talking about those who stay silence. Everyone knows there is
>=no freedom of speech in China, so you can imagine how much freedom 
>=Mainland Chinese in the US can speak out against the current political 
>=systems in China without the fear of retaliation.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Need some Pen Friends
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.122011.28700@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
>Hello everybody:
>
>    My name is Chi-Lin TSAI, now I study in Msc of Biology in Taiwan
>National University, if someone are interested in my apply-penfriends 
>advertisement...... Can you write something for me, I think we can to
>be very good pen-friends, don't we. In below, I introduced myself:  
>
>   Name: Chi-Lih TSAI
>   Age:  24
>   Sex:  Male
         You need a bitch! That is why you are crying for "friends".
>   Matrial Status: Single
>   Email address: zomalacolg@ccvax.as.edu.tw
>   Occupation: Student ( Msc of Biology in National Taiwan University. )
>   Hobby: Growing orchids, feed fish and Collecting stamps.......
>
>If you don't interested on it...... Forget it............
>
>                                Silly new user,
>                                     Chi-Lih TSAI
>                                     6th/Sep/1992
>
>PS. If you have any biology or other questions......... I like to discuss with
>    you.
From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:55:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes...
> 
>I have to say that Mr. He's understanding ability is too limited, 
>what I want to say is that when you make your "choice", you should
>pay some attentions to those well established rules, say in a department
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Is there a well established rule between Taiwan and China?

>On the issue of TI, the same argument holds, because Japan returned 
>Taiwan to China after WWII, 
           ^^^^^
	Which China?  My government/education/rules told me that is
	Republic of China, i.e. people/government in Taiwan!!!

>			      the Chinese people is the legistimate 
>owner of Taiwan, if you want to sucede, we have to protect our property.

	Yes, the Chinese people (in Taiwan) is the legistimate owner of
	Taiwan.

>Before you utter your "mine" and "yours" theory, you's better
>know more about the past of Taiwan.

	Yes, we know a lot about the past of Taiwan, the current Taiwan,
	and we will determine the future of Taiwan.  No commies, please.
> 
>Why the analogy is faulse? Taiwan did not sign that kind of document,
>but Japan returned Taiwan to China, is this a fact, we lost Taiwan
			      ^^^^^
	More precisely, Republic of China.

>and then got it back, you won't have difficulty to understand that
>Taiwan is a part of China and we have the right to defend our country's
>integrity of terrotery.
> 
	Actually, according to my (i.e. my government in Taiwan) rules,
	mainland China is still part of ROC and we like to get it back.
	Of course, this is only to save you from Sue3 Sn1 Huo3 Jra4 -
	the deep water and sizzling fire.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
OA Guo                        |My statement does not reflect NASA's point of
NASA - Lewis Research Center  |view.  Nor should NASA's statements reflect
Cleveland, Ohio               |my point of view.
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Territory of Ancient China : Qing Dynasty
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:52:15 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>Joyous, You did a great job here by giving those islanders
>a much wide sight field.
>
>Ze Yang

I'd be very careful in using those words! 

This is becasue, among other things, there are people whose habit is to
collect meaningless utterances from jerks like you :-)

So don't be surprised if you see your article cited someday as a proof of,
uh, something like the "Necessity of Taiwan Independece".
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:33:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BuBKLG.2L5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes...
>In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>> 
>>>If what Mr. Yang said is true --- CCP's crash brings major disorder
>>>to mainland, why would Taiwanese choose to unify with a more messy mainland,
>>>even though it's lousy enough now?
>> 
>>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
>> 
>>Ze Yang
> 
>The analogy is not right. North fought South to release slaves. But if mainland
>fight Taiwan, they are to capture slaves. I wish mainland was as democratic as
>Taiwan so that a unified China would be the best thing to do. When that is not
>true, why not separate the two for a while? That is a problem of priority. If
>you are so brave to attack Taiwan which will cause millions of casualties on 
>each side and result in a ruined Taiwan, why aren't you brave enough to change your 
>system in mainland so that both side of the straits will be happy to be united
>someday.

Good point.

Mainland China let HongKong keep capitalism for 50 years. Taiwan can also 
give the Mainland 50 years to close the gap between Taiwan and the Mainland 
in economy, political system, particularly, mentality. During the 50 years, 
Taiwan is an independent country under name of ROC. Taiwan has her own 
embassies around the world and is UN member, i.e., two Chinas just like two 
Koreas. After 50 years, if Mainland China is unable to close the gap, Taiwan 
can say goodbye to China and is on her own. Fair?