From: lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: [MISC] IT'S BORED !!!
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:13:30 GMT

In article <19187@drutx.ATT.COM>, nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu) writes:
> 
> Dear SCV Readers,

Chris(Nguye^.n),

Is this another one of your diversion? It has no substance!

HandsomeStranger..........

......Let the maggots come and feast on these boils............

> 
> I have a few opinions that I would like to share with you all in this
> post. Please note that, in this follow-up, I am not arguing against
> DDK's personal opinions. In fact, what I really want to state is more
> general but not directly related to those. I would appreciate very much
> if interested netters would share their opinions and personal view on
> this subject.
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | From: vibama@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Doan)                            |
> | Subject: [MISC] IT'S BORED !!!                                   |
> | Message-ID: <1992Aug10.180410.16099@cs.hw.ac.uk>                 |
> | Date: 10 Aug 92 18:04:10 GMT                                     |
> |                                                                  |
> | Dear netters,                                                    |
> |                                                                  |
> | Quang Le writes in his reply to Linh tran as below:              |
> |                                                                  |
> | >>DDo^'i vo+'i ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ha?i ngoa.i mi`nh "co^.ng sa?n"   |
> | >>la` mo^.t tu+` xa^'u, gio^'ng nhu+ "cu+o+'p," "tro^.m," va`    |
> | >>"hie^'p da^m" va^.y.                                           |
> |                                                                  |
> | I found this piece of information interesting as Quang Le has    |
> | clearly stated that "Communist is thief, robber and rapist". I   |
> | sincerely ask anh Quang Le confirms again if this is really what |
> | you meant.                                                       |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> I think, in the above paragraph, anh QL was saying that the word "communist"
> has bad implications for our vietnamese people in America since most of us
> inheritedly associated our bad memories (e.g., war, hurting and and killing)
> with the term. I also believe that anh QL seemed suggested that we should be
> very careful before applying this term to a vietnamese person.
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | If YES then it implies that Quang Le's political                 |
> | standpoint is on the anti-communist side from now on or simply   |
> | an anti-communist supporter. I hope anh Quang Le will reaffirm   |
> | with netters about this.                                         |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> I have no comments on personal question; however, I think, most of the
> times, the plain answer "yes" or "no" to a single question does not really
> solve the issues that we may need to focus. In this case, I think the
> question that a patriotic netter really want to consider is: if we do not
> want the communists to rule vietnam, what else can we do besides endlessly
> condemning them and/or other people with bad words?
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | To the greater extent, this affirmation                          |
> | is an indication that anh Quang Le is against the current        |
> | Vietnamese Communist Party and the VN government as VCP and its  |
> | government is communist itself, so from anh Quang's statement in |
> | the above, it imples that Vietnam Communist Party, the current   |
> | VN government is thief, robber and rapist...                     |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> As I have stated, the arguments above might be invalid implication and
> generalization since cunning communists could also condemn themselves to
> confuse naive people. (Dear DDK, if you disagree with me on this point,
> that would be fine since I think I can understand where you were coming
> from without having to agree with you.)
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | ... If so I would like                                           |
> | to ask anh Quang Le that if all the VC supporters directly or    |
> | indrectly in different means and different slogans such as       |
> | protesting XXXX Ho jokes, promoting HCM are thieves, robbers or  |
> | rapists too. I personally think HCM is himself a Communist       |
> | leader, so promoting him or protecting his honour position       |
> | yourself on the same side with thieves, robbers and rapists.     |
> | Am I right, anh Quang ?? Could you                               |
> | kindly clear up my mind ???  I will greately appreciate it...    |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> I have some general comments related to what seemed to be stated.
> 
> I personnaly disagree with most dirty political jokes that were written
> on the net. I thought some of those (nasty) jokes might be replaced with
> more objective words that could achieve the same or better effectiveness.
> I sincerely think that the image such as "Mr. A no'i tu.c cho^'ng co^.ng"
> has nothing to do with patriotism. More over, I must say that such an image
> is not any better than that of the vietnamese communist.
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Anh Quang Le,                                                    |
> |                                                                  |
> | I din't have a chance to explain what had happened between me    |
> | and anh Hie^`n Hoa`ng. Basicly, anh Hie^`n didn't bring the full |
> | message of mine onto the net but only a part of its ... It might |
> | cause misunderstanding I wonder if you were... but personally I  |
> | advise you to fully understand the matter before jumping in and  |
> | threatening.. like Tu.i VC in VN (just kidding ..:-)) I didn't   |
> | mean you are as I said above). It seemed ) to me that you        |
> | understood the matter superficially and jumped into conclusion.  |
> | I have nothing to apologise anh Hie^`n... In fact I have got     |
> | the apology message from anh Hie^`n in private in which he made  |
> | an apology for his action of bringing my email onto net, and he  |
> | said it wasn't his intention to criticise me. Apologies accepted |
> | though. What kind of apology should I make anh Quang ??? Or you  |
> | should make one for your ho^` ddo^` on net with implicit threats |
> | to "a(n ddo`n", "no legs to go home"...  Actually, I don't want  |
> | to mention this again though.. I hope everything is clear to you |
> | now... I would be glad to answer your questions if you are       |
> | dissatisfied with my explaination...                             |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> I have no comments on personal issues.
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | To the anti-communit people:                                     |
> |                                                                  |
> | If anh Quang Le is going to reaffirm his anti-communit political |
> | standpoint and his protest attitude against the VCP and the      |
> | current VN government then I would like to send a message to the |
> | following anti-communist people                                  |
> |                                                                  |
> | -- Mr Ha.nh Vo^` is welcome with his Ho jokes on SCV not only by |
> | me but also by QL. (Am I right anh Quang, as I remembered you    |
> | did protest MR Hanh Vo strongly).                                |
> |                                                                  |
> | -- Mr Tung Apple and No Ho Movement please ignore about QL's     |
> | sacarism when QL sent a message to anh Tung Ngyen that QL wanted |
> | mo^.t cha^n Bo^. Tru+o+?ng Bo^. A(n Tu.c No'i Phe't...           |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> Again, I am not addressing personal issues; however, I think there is no
> good reason for us to believe that people who always condemn communists are
> the true patriotic ones. I personally would not encourage the posting of
> provoking and dirty political jokes on the net (obviously, I realize there
> are others who disagree with me and that is no problem. I just want to state
> my view.) I think that giving people dirty names with cheap gimmicks (any
> vietnamese grade-school students can tell these tricks) only shows one's
> serious confusion in trying to define and express partriotism. If caring,
> protecting, building and loving a country is comdemning her people, then
> that seems to be pretty easy to do, don't you think? 
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | And finally to te^n Ca?m Ti`nh DDa?ng vo^ lie^m si~ Tha`nh       |
> | Le'... you have no reason to exist anymore Tha`nh Le' ha`        |
> | :-)))..                                                          |
> |                                                                  |
> | Sincerely,                                                       |
> |                                                                  |
> | DDK                                                              |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> Again, this response is not intended to address anh DDK or anyone personally.
> In general, I really think that it is important for each one of us (including
> me, of course) to constantly reevaluate our motives of posting concerning
> what we consider to reflex our patriotic love. Also, I think we should allow
> ourselves more time to understand others and their opinions before giving
> them bad names or asking them to do what we think they must or must not do
> for their country. In most cases, others are as smart as we are, don't you
> think? Obviously, anyone has the rights to do what he or she thinks to be
> right, but please never forget that strict subjectivity and forcing
> imposition on people's opinion are the essential creteria that have driven
> communism and dictatorship so far away from the principles of democracy.
> 
> Sincerely Yours,
> 
> Chris