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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:46:59 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <SUOPANKI.92Nov11185301@zombie.oulu.fi> suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki) writes:
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:46:30 GMT, west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West) said:
>
>Bruce>    I cannot strees the following point enough.  The amiga is an infinitely
>Bruce> more *productive* machine than an IBM.  
>
>A RS6000 or IBM mainframes too?  Okay, you perhaps mean IBM PC and clones.
>But if Amiga is infinitely more productive that means either
>productivity of Amiga is infinite, i.e. you can finish any task in
>zero time and number of task is unlimited, or productivity of IBM is
>zero, i.e. you can't finish any task ever.  
>I think you are trying to bullshit us.
>
>Bruce>On my fully decked A3000 I am 
>Bruce> constantly downloading, while I am doing my long compiles, during these
>Bruce> compiles I touch up my notes, during which time I am doing whatever calculations
>Bruce> need to be done for lab.  In addition I'm sometimes rendering some stuff
>Bruce> to check out later.  In an hour I can get more different things done than
>Bruce> someone can on any IBM.
>
>A 486DX2-66 (or any 486) machine has more raw CPU power than A3000 so in most
>cases it takes longer to do a thing with an A3000 than a 486 machine. And
>when you do things with a computer you have to type, use mouse etc.
>There must persons who are faster typists and mouse users than you, so
>it will take more time for you to do things. Also there are more
>software available for IBM PCs which means there is a more wide range of
>things to choose from. I'm quite sure that if there were 1000 skilled
>persons with good 486DX2-66 machines and with lots of right sowftware most
>of them would get more different things done in an hour than you.  
>
>Bruce>  The Amiga
>Bruce> *is* multitasking.  The IBM does *NOT* premtive multitask - period.  
>
>No kidding?  I wonder what my machine is doing if it's not
>preemptively mustitasking? Maybe you can explain? I have not taken
>drugs so it can't be a hallucination....
>
>Bruce>     Besides, I must make an ideological point - since you are a EE. The
>Bruce> Amiga has and always will be the "hackers" computer in my view (hacker in
>Bruce> the true sense of the word).  
>
>Naw, Linux is the real hackers OS nowadays and it runs on PCs only.

It's easy for people to forget that the UNIX on Intel clones market is growing
rapidly.  A 386/33 running XENIX 386 can easily support up to 30 users logged
in from terminals.  UNIX, XENIX, Linux, Coherent, and even MINIX all do
preemptive multitasking.

I own an Amiga 500 and 2000.  I'm typing this on my 2000.  I also own a 386/33
that has _never_ run MSDOS, WINDOWS, or OS/2.  Just various forms of UNIX.

It's a mistake to confuse PC hardware and software, as there are so many
different operating systems to choose from.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:50:38 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In article <leifv.45.721136426@dhhalden.no> leifv@dhhalden.no (LEIF HUGO VARUM) writes:
>>And what about Steve Coleman's Pharaoh's Curse...?  Man, I sure miss 
>>Synapse....
>So do I...but just in case you didn't know; there exists a Pharaoh's Curse 
>(PD) for the Amiga and it's a complete clone of the 64 version, same sound, 
>same gfx and same exellent gameplay!

Please, upload it somewhere!

>I've also heard about an Amiga version of Frantic Freddie for Amiga (also 
>just like the 64 version).

Yep, I have it. Isn't it available by FTP?

>BTW: Has anyone mentioned Bruce Lee yet?

No, not yet. Great game. They don't make nostalgia like they used to :-).

>        /// Leif Hugo Vaarum, Solbakkvn. 9, 1777  HALDEN  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:09:58 GMT

L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
>	I agree with the first part of your suggestion for effective change
>concerning women's rights, people's rights.. anyone's rights.
>	But *HANDGUNS* available for everyone???
>	Please, before you reply, I ask you to think on this matter for
>a while, and then explain to us *specifically* how crime would plummet and

	Well, we already know criminals are armed with guns, knifes, baseball
bats, chains, ect. We know for a fact that banning handguns does NOT reduce
crime. (Chicago, Washing DC.) Nor do 14 day waiting periods reduce crime. (republic
of Kalforina.) We do know that letting citizans apply for and if they qualify
get concealed weapon permits reduces crime. (Seattle Washington.)

	I know most people don't know this, but Seattle Washington let
the honest people get carry permits and crime dropped 30%. But the
media NEVER reported it, and HCI buried it. I guess the facts hurt.

	Also, answer this question, How does a 5'4" woman defend herself
against a 6'2" attacker that is 2X or more heavier than she is?

James Dusek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:24:56 GMT

In article <69131@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
writes:

>I think the "protection" in most MS-DOS...oops....Windows stuff is
>devilishly simple: lots of good documentation, and great upgrade
>policies.

Not to mention a hearty dose of indoctrination. How many Lotus 123 vs.
Excel vs. Quattro Pro features have appeared in the last 12 months?
It's becoming more of a cat and mouse game with little room for
innovation. 

>So now along with cheap hardware prices, there's cheap software prices
>as well.

And in the meantime, Borland has announced substantial losses in revenue.
It's inevitable that the shakeup will pervade the software industry as
well. 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: joel@dflores.eagle.mission.tx.us (Joel Garza)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:28:35 GMT
Organization: Dave's Amiga

Graphical interface for TeX.  Well if you have access to a Mac or
Mac Emulator, there is a decent mathematical typesetter by
Prescience called the Expressionist which will allow you to
create the equation graphically and "paste" it into a TeX 
document.  At least good for exploring on your own and messing around
with some really ugly equations.

Anyone know of ANY others of this type (TeX) for ANY platform?

Joel A. Garza

"Stop computer prejudice, work for a better tomorrow" ;) AmigaMacPCw/UNIX
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:37:12 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov9.222911.18961@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> Why is it that Amiga hires mode seem to have LOTS higher horizontal res than
> vertical res?
> 
> Ex: Resolution on the order of the 'super wooper duper productivity mode' might
> be something like 1200X350 or something weird like that.
> 
> Can someone explain to me why this is so different from the marginal 
> horizontal res edge in PC, Ex: 640X480, 800X600,1024X768,1280X960,1280X1024.
> If it were an Amiga with similar horzontal resolution, they might
> read:                          640X200, 800X300,1024X350, 1280X450,1280X550,etc.
> Note, these may/may NOT be actually figures.

Well, I've seen high-end PC's with as many as 13 crystals and osciallators to
generate all the wierd clock fequencies they need for system operation and
all the video clock frequencies.  Lately they use special clock synthesizer
chips to avoid this.

In the Amiga chipset, the video clock is some binary division of the main
clock frequency - 28MHz, so the video clocks double instead of going up by
odd increments.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:49:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Nov10.044934.29399
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Nov10.013413.21734@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>
>>Huh?  This started out about using the computer for engineering.
>>I think it would be reasonable to assume that the PC would be better than an
>>Amiga in the case.
>
>I thought the original poster said his friend is an EE major, but he never
>mentioned that his friend will be using her computer to do anything in 
>particular.  

I am not sure about that.  I think the EE wanted to EE things with it. Spice 
on a 486 would be great.

>True, the Amiga lacks a lot of professional software which IBMs and Macs have.
>However, it doesn't necessarily mean that if someone wants to do some
>professional stuff, they will have to confine themselves with IBMs.

I agree, the Video Toaster is really nice.

>IMHO, the original poster should ask his friend what exactly does she want
>to do.  Let her play with a high-end Amiga and a high-end IBM, and let her
>make her own decisions.  

Actually, I heard she was getting an Amiga3000.  Really, in engineering I
think real IBM compatiblilty is the UTMOST of importance. Really.
But it depends on what the EE does.  If it it for minor work, the Amiga3000
would almost (IMO) be suitable.  
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelvin
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu


-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Terry_Palfrey@mindlink.bc.ca (Terry Palfrey)
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:46:19 GMT






> Skip Sauls writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Nov9.015637.7309@ra.msstate.edu>
> Posted: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:56:37
>
> Org.  : University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
>
> It has come to my attention that there are several persons who are reading
> this group on a regular basis, but who are not posting.  Several of these
> folks have sent me email regarding one subject or another, but most have
> never posted to .advocacy.  Why not?
>
> Skip Sauls
> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>
>

Silly Person, we have our reputations to protect.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: e91petmo@odalix.ida.liu.se (Peter /\/\odin)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:08:33 GMT

glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:

>	... the Falcon beats the 1200.  No, really, these important features
>of the Falcon always seem to get 'brushed off' by Amigoids when comparing
>the two machines...

[Irrelevant stuff deleted]

I don't really care about what the Falcon can do. Nobody I know even mentions
the Falcon (except when making jokes about it); Everybody is talking about
replacing their A500/A2000 with an A1200! Now, if the Falcon could run
Workbench 3.0, etc, and not have such a silly name (Falcon is a Swedish BEER!
Nothing else. Amiga... now there's a name for ya!), I might consider it.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Asteroid Ideas
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:19:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.015136.136@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>Ive just finished an open-ended asteroids clone, but find that I still have

Cool! Hopefully it will outdo the current Asteroids clone (sometimes crashes)
and Lemmingoids (too easy).

>a lot of cpu time left over, so I was trying to think of things to add....
>Does anyone remember some of the old vector arcade games?  There was one
>where two people could play at once that had some nice extra features, but
>I dont remember what they were...  
>Right now, the program has:
>One or two player option (simultaneously)
>Player shields (dont know if I like this, though... may be an option instead of
>hyperspace...)

Maybe let the user pick between shield and hyperspace? Although shields make
for an easier game...

>Up to six enemy ships at once, with varying abilities (still havent created all
>the necessary graphics to distiguish between them, though...)
>Seeking weapons (this may be deleted also, it was sort of a 'photon' copy, but
>I dont want to have too many input functions since a player may want to use the
>joystick...)

You could have special power-ups floating around that increase firepower,
let you change from hyperspace to shield, etc. But then you're getting farther
away from the original Asteroids eh?

>If anyone has any ideas, let me hear them, or-- send me a good sound routine
>with various explosions and such (sure)....   Im hoping to get this thing
>out before christmas to show my nephew (his vectrex(?) system broke...)

Please make sure at least 1 player can play with keyboard or joystick! Also,
a high score list! I can't believe how many games out there lack one or both
of these things. Also, different difficulty levels perhaps... Something like
Lemmingoids. Problem with Lemmingoids is that the hardest difficulty isn't
all that hard (easier than the real asteroids) and the small ship just
shoots randomnly instead of somewhat intelligently.

>
>mike seifert, spewer

Francis


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:45:35 GMT

In article <vrq16lj@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:

[ ]
>
>I love MAC users... they consider a 14" monitor BIG!?!?
>
>(Guess it is, compared to that built-in 9" piece-de-crap on the 1-piece MACs.)

Why is it that Amiga users insist on deriding every little thing about a
competitor's computer that they can think of? The 14" Apple monitor (which
I have seen on a IIvi with a Photo CD-ROM drive) is very nice. The 9" monitor
is fine. I wish there was a colour version.
 
Mac users use large monitors a lot. Personally, I find them too overpowering.
The Sony 1304, C= 1960, etc...are all nice monitors. So are the NEC's.
 
The other thing I find offensive about your message is the language. The 
Internet is presumably meant for civilized exchanges of information. There's
no need to swear.               
>
>|> I believe the price list being quoted on the main unit is educational,
>|> BUT those who know how to search the mail order options know that SIMILAR
>|> prices can be found there with sufficient effort.  Regardless, this price
>|> will be dropping by a lot in Jan. or Feb. when more Quadras come out.  Will
>|> the price of the Emplant system be able to drop sufficiently to keep up???
>
>As with all new hardware, both Emplant and the A4000 will drop significanly
>--- probably right after the Christmas rush. So, about the time the Q700's
>price is dropping, we'll get a double drop.

The Emplant board is very nice in concept. Noone has one working yet, and it
still needs the Mac ROM's. I wonder how Amiga users would feel if people
were to start cloning the A4000.

The Quadra's are extremely nice computers, if overpriced. Personally I feel
the A4000 is more interesting, the NeXT is more productive for me,...
>
>|> No, the Quadra 700 isn't outdated.  It is on this price list that is only
>|> a couple of weeks old.  It is second only to the Quadra 950 in general
>|> CPU performance.  It is a vital niche in Apple's product line, and if
>|> phased out will be replaced by something similar (and cheaper).
>
>How old the price list is was not the question - it's how old the 700 is.
>
>I agree that it's not totally outdated... but it's in the same situation the
>A3000 is. There are better machines out now, it's not #1 anymore. OF COURSE
>the price is low... wanna compare to the A3000? That's going for $1400 now...

The Quadra has a better software base than the A3000, and that's the bottom 
line.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:43:38 GMT

david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
>stud16@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kurt Haenen) writes:
>> I've got only one word for you guys (and it isn't Word Pervert !!!) :
>>
>>
>>                      ######
>>                        ##      ##  ##
>>                        ## ##### ## #
>>                        ## ##     ##
>>                        ## ####  # ##
>>                           ##   ##  ##
>>                           #####
>>
>> Gimme CygnusEd Pro (or even better : EMACS/EPOCH) and TeX/LaTeX and try
>> matching that with Word Perfect.  Ok, it isn't as easy to use as the Pervert
>> thing, but it's got a lot more power.  By the way : I still think F3 shouldn't
>> be used as the help key !!!
>
>   And you think only Amiga have TeX? Almost every plateform known in this
>little universe already have a TeX ported to their respective OS.

And you think standardization is a bad thing?  Hmmm...

-- Gerald
From: torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett)
Subject: Re: Skip to the Aggravation
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:08:52 GMT

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>re article by Skip Sauls -- you missed a lot of people -- annoy Dan Barrett
>by parapharxDsing Blazemonger.  [line noise discourtey of NYNEX... I wonder
>-what- is going on -- there was an audible click when on voice with someone
>a few minutes ago.....]
>Annoy some Europeans -- talk US politics.  Annoy Americans -- slam US
>politicians.  Annoy Canadians -- talk about the dissolution of Canada....

And what about us Australian's.  Can't you annoy us as well.  Pleeeeeas!

Torban Bennett - Net lurker at large     torban@murdoch.edu.au
Western Australia.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:03:17 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <BxMA4o.BLL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.064214.5544@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> [about C= saying they will rip your thumbnails out if you put a card in]
> 
>>	This bothers me too.  I was a sort of a technician ( replacing circuit
>>	boards, trouble shooting etc. ) before I got an EE degree.  Why should
>>	I feel that the techs at a Commodore dealer have some special knowlege
>>	that I don't.  At least I haven't found one who does yet.
> 
> Well, the dealers can't afford to make too much profit on Amiga computers
> since if they raised the price they wouldn't sell any.  The only way for them
> to get some money is to charge a bundle to put in cards and stuff, it's
> probably a deal between C= and the dealers.
> 
> Retail is hell.

	I always try to support the dealers if I can.  But other than them
	having an actual, physical store with products on display, they're
	usually sorely lacking in general info.  Of course, being lucky
	enough to have access to Usenet means I find out some things before
	they do.  I've also seen obsolete products on display that the owner
	of the store is trying to recoup his investment on, that he will have
	no hope of getting his price.  Sad really.

> 
>>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinons only **
>>*** Still no Sig :-( **
> 
> --Jason Balicki
> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Fred.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:28876 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:7358
From: pk-asdg@cup.portal.com (Perry S Kivolowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: MorphPlus Used On Quantum Leap
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:48:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Chris says:

>Might have posted that a week ago Perry!  I didn't see anything....(grin!)!

We've known that a morph done with  MorphPlus was *expected* to be in
Wednesday's Quantum Leap for quite a while. However, we received word
that it had survived the editing process and made it into the final
cut only late Tuesday.

While I'm sorry I wasn't able to give the readership *advanced*
warning, you'll agree that posting something of which we were not
certain would be less desirable. 

Do be on the watch for Babylon 5 airing in February which features
the results of several Amiga products, in addition to MorphPlus.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Photo CD, etc
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 12:43:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct31.083222.5038@utstat.uucp> <1992Nov2.231122.25251@netcom.com>
  <1992Nov3.072112.19797@utstat.uucp> <1992Nov3.190305.25833@netcom.com>

From our Cosmic Irony dept:

Flipping thru the new issue of VIDEO magazine (it caters to home
videophiles who want to read reviews about camcorders, video tape
decks, hi-end teevee, and movies-on-tape) I came across a 3 or 4
page spread for CD-I.  They used some media review quotes to
reinforce what a groovy wonderful product CD-I is. ONe of the
quotes was attributed to Tom Malcolm. 

Tom was Senior Editor of .info magazine. .info was an Amiga-boosting
magazine created entirely on Amigas with Amiga software. .info did
a CDTV <> CD-I comparison article. They took a lot of heat for it
because of the good things they had to say about CD-I. .info is 
now out of business, and Tom no longer works for them. However his
words live on in Phillips' CD-I advertising.  Ironic, sez I.

Harv
(former Contributing Editor to .info magazine who owns a CDTV and
doesn't own a CD-I and doesn't even want one).