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From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:23:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I really enjoy medieval and renaissance period music (like 1450-1600 AD
roughly) because of the unique modal harmonies they used which doesn't
seem to be too common after the baroque period.  Composers like Tallis,
Gabrieli, Mondeverdi, etc are great, I just bought a CD of Tallis
choral stuff and it is really harmonically beautiful.  Vaughan Williams
piece "Fantasy on a Theme by Tallis" is a great piece written this century
which uses the modal techniques of Tallis (and other renaissance composers)
extremely well.  Check it out!

The closest I've heard to progressive rock which has renaissance influences
is probably parts of Gentle Giant, and I don't know why the group 
Renaissance is called that becuase it sounds nothing like music 
from that era!  :)

Anyway,  does anyone know who I could check out?  I heard there's
a group similar to GG called Gryphon which sounds kind of medieval. 

Thanks in advance

Rob
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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Defense that ELP is not bastardization of classical music
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:38:03 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: elp hyman aquatarkus
Summary: Wow, I didn't imagine it all

In article <1992Dec7.232532.23647@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:
[I wrote:]
>: What strongly affected my opinion of Emerson's musical honesty was hearing
>: a recording made by a fellow by the name of Dick Hyman, one of the pioneers
>: of the synthesizer, evidently.  I was dumbfounded to hear this one
>: piece (sorry, I don't know the title or anything else about it, but I 
>: believe it was recorded in the 60s) which was virtually identical to the
>: long middle section of the live "Aquatarkus" from _Welcome Back...._  It was
>: unquestionably the same piece of music, lifted whole.
>
>Dick Hyman is a remarkable jazz pianist.  I can't believe you know of
>his synthesizer album, it was called 'The Age of Electronicus'.  It's
>pretty horrible stuff, kind of like a MUZAK ELP.  It's interesting for
>historical value.  Hyman does a lot of good Gershwin piano work --
>I used to see him at a club called J's in Manhattan a few years ago.

Well, it's good to have some corroboration on this.  A friend played me a
bit of a tape with this on it, and all I retained from it was the name and my
incredulity.  I don't remember thinking it was very good, just familiar.
Fortunately it didn't spoil my appreciation for the ELP rendition, which
remains incredible.

>I don't think he intentionally copied Emerson, of course.  Probably,
>anybody using a module moog back then happens to sound like Keith!

So Hyman's album came *after* _Welcome Back_?  Whichever way it happened, it
was definitely not just a similarity in sound.  Somebody cribbed somebody 
else.

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From: stevep@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Steve Pearce)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Pavlovs Dog
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:26:26 GMT
Organization: SSG/CSY Pinewood, UK
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Has anyone heard the rare third album (St. Louis Hounds) by Pavlovs Dog. I have
the first two and really like them. The third was (I believe) never commercially
issued but some copies do exist. Before I blow a considerable sum I would 
appreciate any feedback.

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From: fms@athena.mit.edu (fletcher maxwell sandbeck)
Subject: Kate Bush and Utah Saints
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:13:38 GMT

I was just wondering what everybody thought (or if anybody thought) about
the new Utah Saints album (self-titled).

In their first hit single Something Good they use the line "Oh, I just
know that something good is going to happen" from Kate Bush's song
Cloudbusting as the entire vocal part of the song.

I personally like it (and I like Kate Bush) because I'm into dancy stuff,
but I wanted to know what the progressive music fans thought of it.

Is it flattery or some form of plagiarism?

fletcher

fms@athena.mit.edu

Utah Saints, Utah Saints, Utah Saints, U U U Utah Saints
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From: moleface@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (Ashley Edward Collins)
Subject: Re: RE: Jon and Kitaro
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:25:03 GMT

In article <fineston-151292013255@je-college-node.net.yale.edu>  
fineston@suncis.ycc.yale.edu (Jason Finestone) writes:
> >Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by  
Kitaro >featuring
> >Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy  
it but >it
> >costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know  
how it is
> >before I lay down the quid.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> >			-Scott
> 
> 	It's pretty good.  I was dissapointed that Jon Anderson only sings  
on
> three or so songs, however.  It sounds a bit like Jon and Vangelis,  
except
> for the fact the fact that Kitaro is filling in for the Van-man.   
Although
> the music is not as 'sporadic' as Vangelis's, it is beautifully  
"textured,"
> and makes great reading/studying/sleeping music.  I have to admit,  
though,
> that I do not have the attention span to sit through all of the
> instrumental stuff.  I suggest buying it used (you should be able to  
find
> plenty of copies sold back by dissatisfied Yes fans).  BTW, don't be
> surprised by the "ocean noises" that start the album.
>                                             -Jason Finestone
>  									 
									 
									 
									 
					 		Yale University
>                                                    
>                                                            
Did you and Aleks collaborate on this review?  the similarities are  
astounding!!  :)                                                   
                                                            
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From: abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:46:00 GMT

In article <14015@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes...
>In article <MARKG.92Dec15034730@rigel.cs.pdx.edu>, markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay) writes:
>|> Fish Rising is also worth a listen.
> 
>A number of folks have given a thumbs up to Kahn: Space Shanty.  It has
>both Hillage and Dave Stewart.  It hails from about 1972, which would
>place it at about the interesting point in Egg (when they developed a
>little emotion).  If my copy would arrive, I would give it a review.
> 

I'll second both endorsements. I have "Space Shanty" on LP (the CD is a bit
pricey, somewhere near $30 if you can find it) - it is every bit the cross
between Egg and Gong that you might expect given Stewart's and Hillage's
playing at that time in those bands.

And to follow up my own post, I checked the CD of "Live Herald" and found 
that the studio stuff was included on the CD release of "Open", which, btw,
includes Dave Stewart (actually 2 different Dave Stewarts - the other one
is credited with slide guitar - it can't be the Eurythymics' Dave Stewart,
can it?).
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From: pardue@iitmax.iit.edu (William J. Pardue)
Subject: Brand X in Chicago...second try
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:17:38 GMT

THIS POST DIDN'T SEEM TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST TIME--
MY APOLOGIES IF YOU'VE SEEN IT ALREADY.


Just saw Brand X in Chicago last night.  The show started much
too late for a Wed. night (11:30 after a "just adequate" fusion
band).  The crowd was the usual mix of musicians and '70's left-
overs (before you flame me...remember, I was there, too! :-)).

I haven't heard the new CD, so I wasn't ready to see the band
reduced to a three-piece!  Goodsall, Jones and a baby-faced
drummer (with all the requisite chops).  Goodsall's guitar synth
work pretty much erased the need for keyboards.  Surprisingly, even
though most of the crowd seemed to be there to worship Percy Jones on
bass (and a damn fine job he did...) it was Goodsall who really stole
the show.  Very fast, very clean playing...kinda reminded me of a
couple of older tunes ("Nuclear Burn" comes to mind), but the new
stuff sounded very good...a touch heavier than the older stuff.

Do me a favor, old Brand X fans, catch these guys in concert, let
their management know they can make some money...and maybe next time
they'll get to play at a humane hour.

By the way, bring some friends who don't know about the band...you don't
have to tell them that they're "fusion" (too many folks are afraid of
the word) or that they've been around since the '70's.  The hipsters
might be impressed by Jones'work with Eno.  Just tell them it's some
new power trio with great chops...that'll get them in the door.  Let
the band do the rest.

P.S.--(If you have the drummer's name, pass it along to me, I'd like
       to keep an eye on him!)
       

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From: bellutta@ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant CDs
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:00:47 GMT
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <Dec.18.02.39.16.1992.10207@bakerst.rutgers.edu>  
steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner) writes:
> US sometime in December on Renaissance Records.  Looks like the same
> special cover on IAGH and the extra song on TPatG but for the cheaper
> US price.

What special cover of IAGH?  I have the vinyl and it is *exactly* the
same as the CD.

Unfortunately my CD copy of TPATG also does not contain the bonus track.
I guess I need to buy another copy...

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From: pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (K.R.Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: EMMERSON Re: Welcome back my friends to the rants that never end...
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:46:42 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Dec10.190939.21047@stortek.com> v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.233057.23525@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>Anil Prasad (wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca) wrote
>>about Kieth Emerson:
>>
>>: But in prog-rock
>>: circles, he's in the upper strata for sure. He is certainly competent
>>: and capable of playing some complex music.
>>
>>I dunno -- what I have heard of ELP hasn't left me wanting to hear
>>more. Emerson is *too* busy -- he gets so complex it sounds
>>like he's banging out random notes. Perhaps the musically acute
>>can derive a pattern from his chaos, but I have problems.
>>
>>Someone like Tony Banks who can restrain himself to play what the
>>song requires instead of using every song as his showoff showcase is
>>more appealing to me.
>>

<Keyboard spectrum omitted>
>
>Well, now, chances are, you just prefer Genesis to ELP.  Preference
>does have a lot to do with the way  you perceive  music.  
>
>But, I think that I would take issue with your "random notes" comment.
>I have recordings of everything that Emerson has done.  I honestly don't
>know where you get this: which tune? which recording? this sounds like
>a fairly all encompassing statement, and I would like for you to support
>it with examples (granted, I know they will all be in your opinion).
>
>Tony Banks restrains himself because he is incapable of doing otherwise.
>He simply does not posess the keyboard prowess to be "excessive."
>
>One other characteristic that you should take into consideration is 
>that much of ELPs superlative work occurred in the early to mid 
>seventies.  This was an era of experimentation, and one of excess:
>it really is absurd to attempt to project 90s "less is more" ethic
>onto the early to mid 70's "I'll try anything" ethic.  Genesis wasn't
>exactly about "restraint" during this era either.  
>
>sjm

To comment on both above postings - what about Banks' solos on such
tracks as Cinema Show and In the Cage? - both of which he has done
regularly live. I would say that these show both his ability and an
occasional lack of restraint!

Keith.
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From: barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Technically speaking (was Re: Tony Banks vs Keith Emerson)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:10:45 GMT

In article <Bz5w2C.6z1@DMI.USherb.CA> lachm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARTIN LACHANCE) writes:
>  Banks stuff is not very hard to play.  I play keyboards since 5 months now
>and I able to do most of what Banks did in the 70s....
>  But I can't play Emerson stuff just with a five months experience...

	I'll second this.  Genesis keyboard music is fairly easy for me to
play by ear.  My old band played a lot of old Genesis, and the music was not
particularly challenging.

	ELP keyboard music is much harder to play in general.  The piano
breaks in "Trilogy", the left/right hand coordination in "Eruption" from
TARKUS, the fugue from "The Endless Enigma", the high-speed piano solo at
the end of "The Sheriff", parts of "Hoedown"... the list goes on and on.
And let's not even TALK about the piano in the second impression of "Karn
Evil 9"!!!

	None of ELP's keyboard is "hard" when compared to, say, certain
Chopin and Art Tatum pieces, but it's far more challenging than Genesis's
keyboard material.  (Listen to "Elegie" from ART TATUM SOLOS 1940 [Decca
MCAD-42327] and try not to faint.)

	This is not a value judgement about the bands.  I'm just talking
about technical difficulty, and it's all IMHO.

ps:	Any keyboardists who want a mind-blowing experience should play
	Gentle Giant's "Proclamation" from THE POWER AND THE GLORY, and try
	singing along with it.  My *brain* hurts.

                                                        Dan

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From: kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang)
Subject: Re: Question about Curved Air
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:50:59 GMT

In article <CHRISLEY.92Dec14173354@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:
>
>Has the song "Everdance" ever appeared on a Curved Air album (if so,
>it's probably the same one as "Back Street Luv" appears on).
>


Yes. Everdance and Back Street Luv appear on:

Curved Air - Second Album,  released 1971. I have it on vinyl and its pretty
good. 


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From: bain1@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Hawkwind
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:48:55 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <7531@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, simon@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Simon) writes:
> jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Dec4.065632.11243@muddcs.claremont.edu> dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) writes:
>>>I've recently started listening to Hawkwind, and would like suggestions on
>>>what albums I should work at getting first.  I got _Hall of the Mountain
>>>Grail_ because Lemmy from Motorhead was in the band at the time and it was
>>>used for a low price.  I think I can get the 2 CD live album with the name
>>>I think is _Space Ritual_, but I'm not sure if thats the name, for a good
>>>price too, and then also _In Search of Space_.  Are either of these any 
>>>good, and what others are good. Thanks in advance.
> 

Space Ritual is quite good, but the sound quality is appalling. If you like
HotMG, try and find 'Warrior on the Edge of Time', which is the album
immediately after HotMG and is markedly superior. If you can find and original
vinyl copy you get one of the best record sleeves ever. I THINK it's recently
been re-released on CD, but of course you don't get the packaging. In Search
of Space is a classic, and also has a wonderful sleeve. Original copies also
come with a book full of spaced-out ramblings about the band.

> 
> "Electric Teepee" (available on CD) is just about the best I've ever heard,
> closely followed by the already-mentioned "Hall of the Mountain Grill" (does
> anyone know why that has such an odd name?

It's named after a Cafe in London where the band used to hang out. Apparently
it was very popular with the rock fraternity - eg Bowie etc.

 - Mark
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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Newbie
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:41:24 GMT


Picked up *Compact King Crimson* the other day on the spur
of the moment...

Sounds really good.

Thanks for all who contributed.

I think my next two will be "Starless & Bible Black" and
"Red" although I'm not sure quite yet...


* * *

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Nektar Recommendations?
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 07:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.211216.2857@meaddata.com> timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) writes:
>In article <67.s02eg2dJ701@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen) writes:
>|> IMHO their very best album (of the 7 or so that I've heard) is the LP
>|> _Remember The Future_. Unfortunately the CD was remixed and the hammond
>|> is out front with the guitar buried in the background, much of the power
>|> and energy of the LP are lost in the CD mix.
>
>I'll sell my near-mint-condition copy of this LP for $10, postpaid.
>I also have _A Tab in the Ocean_ for the same price.
>
>Timothy Klein                 "Mellow yellow" is slang for "really groovy".
>timk@meaddata.com                                         -- Jimi Hendrix

Thanks for the offer Tim... but I'm not buying anymore wax. Does anyone
know if _Remember the Future_ is mixed differently on a Japanese import?
I bought the German import and the lead guitar is indeed nearly mixed out.
I didn't think it was possible so I bought it anyway and it is a shame.
Don't the original band members give a damn about the re-mixing?
- Mike

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From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: Re: Internet Radio Station
Organization: Tulane Museum of Natural History
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:24:22 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17641]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

Thus quoth the Raven ...

-=> Lets us all use our imagination here for a few minutes. Let's
-=> suppose that you work at a radio station that is letting you do a
-=> broadcast on progressive music and you can play anything you want.
-=> What sort of playlist would you come up with that would run for,
-=> say, an hour? What would be the theme of your show

I don't know what songs I would play yet, but each show would probably have a
country and style as the theme.  Obviously some of these would require several
shows.  But a couple of examples would be the German space scene and Italian
symphonic.  Also, a good theme would be to feature the output of some of the
smaller labels, such as Vertigo and Brain.


Mike

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Jon and Kitaro
Keywords: Jon
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:45:51 GMT

In article <Bz9zyr.1Js@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, jssloka@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Scott Sloka) writes:
|> Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by Kitaro featuring
|> Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy it but it
|> costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know how it is
|> before I lay down the quid. 

Its called _Dream_ and its been out for a while. The music is fairly 
typical Kitaro with the same analog lead sound with portamento that
he has used for *years*. Anderson's vocals do add a lot though and
I liked the album. I can't understand why you say 'it costs quite
a bit here'. In Ottawa I picked up the album for $13.99 and the regular
price is $15.99. In case you didn't know, Yonge St. in Toronto is
the place to buy stuff - lots of record stores, lots of competition.
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