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Subject: 8'th Category of evidence / Emerald sun over Egypt
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:14:28 GMT
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     The standard interpretations of Egyptian pyramid texts date from the
late 1800's.  Nobody at that time had considered even the possibility of
a different solar-system order having pertained just 6000 years ago;
quite naturally, all explanations given were in terms of present
reality, even though the fit could be seen to be a forced one.

A careful reading of these tales leaves no one in doubt that strangeness
is being described.  Osiris is often described as a "night sun" or "sun of
night".


The reference to Osiris as the "night sun" is fairly common.  From Ignatius
Donelly's "The destruction of Atlantis / Ragnarok, the Age of Fire and Gravel,
page 234:

        "M. Mariette-Bay says:  'Originally, Osiris is the nocturnal
        sun;  he is the primordial night of chaos;  he is consequently
        anterior to Ra, the sun of day".

        Mr. Miller says:  'As nocturnal sun, Osiris was also regarded as
        a type of the sun BEFORE ITS FIRST RISING, or of the primordial
        night of chaos...'"

which is a bit closer to the kind of thing David Talbott is talking
about.


There is a great deal more of the unusual in the character of
Osiris;  for instance, Budge's "Book of the Dead", page 253:


        "Becometh green through thee the earth in triumph before the
        hand of Neberter..."

page 10:

        "Golden of limbs, blue of head, emerald upon both of his
        sides..."

page 250:

        "Thou hast come with thy splendours, and thou hast made heaven
        and earth bright with thy rays of pure emerald light..."

page 251:

        "...governor of the mountains of Aukert, thou dost rise in the
        horizen of heaven and sheddest upon the earth beams of pure
        emerald light..."

page 254:

        "Through thee, the world waxeth green in triumph before the hand
        of Nebertcher....  Thy body is of gold, thy head is of azure,
        and emerald light encircleth thee..."


From which we might readily infer that Osiris is something which we no
longer see, even as the circumstances which allowed for 200,000 lb land
animals are no longer in evidence.  Lots of things can change in 6000
years.




Catastrophists claim that all of the various names for Egyptian chieftan
gods originally referred either to Jupiter or Saturn, and not to our
present sun.

Heiroglyphic representations of Ra, Atum, Osiris, invariably have the form
of a star inside a ring of some sort, or of some representation thereof:
a star inside a coiled hoop-snake (actually a cobra imitating a hoop snake),
a human eye symbol (Osiris), which is another dot inside a ring symbol, and
others.

            
Does Egyptian literature ever talk about a ring or circle in association
with one of these chieftan gods?

Consider the Praises of Ra, Budge's "Gods of the Egyptians", Vol I, page
339 - 348:

1   Praise be to thee O Ra, exalted Sekhem, Lord of the hidden circles
    of the Tuat...

3   Praise be to thee, O Ra...  and thou makest thy creations as
    Governor of thy circle.
 
4   Praise be to thee, O Ra...  Thou art he whose forms are his own
    creations, and thou makest thy creations in thy great disk.

    [ Our present sun IS a disk.  There is no way in which it can be
    said to do anything WITHIN a disk.  The language makes no sense
    given our present realities]

6.  Praise be to thee, O Ra...  Thou art he who gathereth together thy
    gods when thou goest into thy hidden circle.

    [gathers other visible planets etc. within the <partially occulted>
    ring]

9.  Praise be to thee, O Ra... the sender of light into his circle... thou
    art he who makest the darkness to be in his circle, and thou
    coverest those who are therein.
 
    [what sense does this make within our present framework?  Here is
    actually described the periodic occulting of the bodies within the
    ring of the polar apparition]
 
10. Praise be to thee, O Ra...  the illuminator of bodies in the
    horizens...  thou art he who entereth into his circle.

    [ Our present sun does not illuminate other steller bodies as is
    clearly and plainly described here;  our present sun renders them
    invisible by its overpowering light.  Something else is described.]

20  Praise be to thee, O Ra...  thou shining one who dost send forth
    light upon the waters of heaven...

    [ some of the same waters which the earth encountered during the
    flood...   ]

23  Praise be to thee, O Ra...  thou goest in and comest out and thou
    comest out and goest in to thy hidden circle...


We simply no longer see anything in the sky shedding green or "pure emerald"
light over the world, or any sort of a star in a ring.

Something was REAL different in those days.




-- 
Ted Holden
HTE