From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:13:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <1992Aug20.144033.2939@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>>>I have one more 'I will agree with a prolife sentiment when,'  when
>>>there isn't one more child on the face of this planet that starves to
>>>death, or sits in a orphanage wanting with all its heart to have loving
>>>parents, when there isn't one more unwanted child born into a family.
>>
>>Being unhappy or poor isn't punishable by death, the last time I checked.
>
>What a great life to commit a child to.  You are really sick.  Do you
>enjoy watching people suffer in misery?  Do you like hanging around
>ghettos and the wards watching people beg and debase themselves?  Do you
>get off to it?

I lived outside this country for a long time, have visited many desperately 
poor countries, and seen more wretched poverty than you can possibly compre-
hend.  Whatever problems even the desperately poor have, they are alive, 
they adapt, and they even have the ultimate potential to change their state.  
Have you considered that your perceptions of "crushing poverty" may be a 
byproduct of your middle-class *fear* of the same?  I.e., by someone partaking 
in the top 1% of the world's wealth, deciding whom, in the remaining 99%, 
meets your criteria of who should or should not live.  

Have YOU lived in poverty?  Do YOU know anyone who lives like that?  Or are 
you basing your arguments on Sally Struthers' commercials, which most 
certainly *don't* show the children *playing* in the shit-pools, or other-
wise adapting to their poverty?

I thought not: just another modern student-activist who shows up the pro-
choice rally, does her "thang," jumps back in her BMW, and goes off to party.


>Have you ever talked to these people?  Have you ever asked them if they
>are glad that they are alive?  Have you ever sat and talked to someone
>that is suicidal because all their lives they were abused and unwanted?

Yeah, so what?  The difference is that they eventually decide to blow their
own brains out.  I don't make the decision for them.

Nah, you're quite right, Lorra.  The poor are *such* downers.  Gawd, I 
can hardly bear to meet the eyes of the beggars on street corners, any
more, don't you know?  Let's round 'em all up, march 'em into concentration
camps, and put the poor wretches out of their misery, eh?  No way your
white, middle-class children should grow up seeing such a thing, eh?  Out
of sight, out of mind, even if it's six feet under.


>Do you really sit in your little glass house and think 'they are really
>just glad to be alive'.... 

Yes.  When it's a choice of desperate poverty, or being marched into the gas 
chambers by your kind, definitely yes.


>I think we have gotten into the basic difference.  I am not christian
>and the constitution of this country gives me that freedom.  

No, you're a college-educated sociopath, a spoiled little brat who's been
educated beyond her intelligence, who has no capacity for human empathy. 
A typical specimen of your kind.


>I don't believe that having an abortion damns a soul to eternal
>nothingness, I believe that it allows that soul to move onto another
>vessel that, perhaps, will dwell under better circumstances.

And, typical of children in your age group, you have this compulsion to
rebel against authority, using "religion" as a sufficiently "traditional"
symbol.  Fine, go and rant and rave.  But note that I never introduced 
"religion" in my argument.  I simply find the concept of killing people, or
*defending* the practice of killing people, on the basis of economic exped-
iency, repugnant.  What's next?  How about killing the elderly, for the
burden they put on society?  Why not kill the mentally ill?  How about AIDS
patients?  Hell, they're gonna die anyway, why let them raise our insurance
rates?  The stupid?  The ugly?  Et cetera, et cetera.  You're steering a very 
dangerous course, both for yourself, and for society.

Grow up.  Join the Army or the Peace Corps, see the world, grow a personality.
Maybe we'll take you seriously, then.  


>So, it really comes down to this, if you believe that you are damning a
>soul to eternal nothingness, then don't have an abortion.  That is your
>choice and you can practice your beliefs all you want.  My beliefs,
>which are supposedly protected in this country

Supposedly?  Is anyone out to get you, Lorra?  Are we feeling a bit 
*paranoid*, all comfy cozy in front of our CRT?





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