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From: chandoni@husc8.UUCP (John-Marc Chandonia, , , )
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Norton
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:38:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr13.183806.11054
Originator: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu

by aefros@cc.utah.edu (ALEXEI EFROS):
> I have a question. Will OS/2 DOS emulator be able to run Norton Commander 
> and/or Norton Utilities? I really depend on Norton Commander and cannot
> afford to loose it. Also, is Mr.Norton thinking about porting his wonderful
> products to OS/2? 

I just tried Norton Commander, and it seems to work fine (the mouse
even works automatically in the window without you having to explicitly
load in a mouse driver).  It runs all Norton Utilities that don't
try to write sectors of the disk directly (i.e. the undelete (qu) and
nu programs will crash their window, without anything else in the
system being affected).

Last I heard, Norton was slamming OS/2 in PC Week or somewhere.  Most
of his utilities are taken care of by the OS/2 system anyway, so it's
in his (financial) interest if people use DOS/Windows instead of OS/2.

This post refers to the LA version of OS/2; some lucky person with
GA should confirm that NC still works with it.

JMC
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From: eger@xi.cs.fsu.edu (Robert Eger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Why should I upgrade?
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:40:46 GMT
Reply-To: eger@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: total lack of...

This question has probably been asked and answered a thousand times,
so I apologize in advance.  I just the other day got my Win 3.1
upgrade from MS for $49.  I did not know anything about OS/2 2.0
at the time I ordered my Win upgrade.  I am interested in getting
OS/2 because DOS is garbage (640k limit and all that).  Is it
worth the extra $$ (considering I just shelled out the money for
the Win upgrade) to get the OS/2 upgrade?  What will I gain?  Will
I be able to use all my apps (W4W 2.0, Excel, etc...)?

Email replies if you want to save bandwidth.

Thanks.

Robert Eger
eger@nu.cs.fsu.edu
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Flash: Fry's sold out.
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:53:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Fry's of Sunnyvale, perhaps the largest personal computer and electronics
store in America, is sold out of OS/2 2.0 within just a few days of receiving
their first order of several hundered. They *hope* to have some more next
week. And I think they really do hope, a tad surprised. Catch the wave.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 GA ReadMe File
From: nholford@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Nick Holford)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:25:33 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Ian, Thanks for the OS/2 Readme. But can you explain the formatting
of the file? Lines about 40 chars long with hard carriage returns at
the end? This makes for tedious viewing on line and a waste of paper
when printed. I resorted to Word Perfect newspaper columns with a small
font to make hardcopy. Did you have an easier method in mind?

-- 

Nick Holford, Dept Pharmacology & Clinical Pharmacology
University of Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand
INTERNET: n.holford@aukuni.ac.nz
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Some questions about OS/2......
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:42:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.143125.22530@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr) writes:
>
>Reading all the stuff HPFS does, I think I might just backup and restore
>this weekend to an HPFS drive.  I want to know, though, on day to day
>applications, is it really that much faster than cached SuperFAT to make
>it worth the effort on a 386sx/20 with 8mb ram and an 80mb hard disk?

I think so.  I haven't gotten 2.0 yet, but under 1.3, it was
wonderful.  And then there's the convenience of having long filenames,
and not having to worry about fragmentation.



-- 
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: froelich@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Bill Froelich)
Subject: Re: Big problems with OS/2 2.0 GA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:44:51 GMT

tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) writes:

>Jason Merrill writes:

>> It always bothered me after moving from DESQview to Windows 3.0 that
>> Windows multitasked communications apps so poorly.  I am a big fan of the
>> Kermit terminal emulation program put out by Columbia University, and was
>> disappointed that I had to drop down to 9600 baud to avoid losing
>> characters.
>> 
>> I expected this problem to go away when I moved to OS/2 2.0. Boy, was I
>> wrong.  Not only do I continue to lose characters, but I even lose
>> characters when communicating as slowly as 4800 baud!  I really don't want
>> to work at 2400 baud when my connection supports 19200.

>Check your flow control.  If your connection supports hardware flow
>control, use it.  I run my serial port at 38400 and do not experience
>any loss of characters.  I've run file transfers at 57600 and not had
>any bad packets.  OS/2 is not the limiting factor here, it seems to me.
>(But if I turn off flow control, I can lose all kinds of characters.)

Is flow control a parameter of OS/2 or the comm package?  I've got a DOS
app that uses a FM receiver on one of the COM ports.  Kinda a one way modem.
Well, the problem is theat the DOS app doesn't "see" the device on COM 1
and quits.  It tells me it is setting the baud and the times out.  Under
DOS it set's the baud and then tests the interrupt and then sets the passwords

Is this a Hardware dependant app?  Any help would be appreciated.  I am 
holding off installing OS/2 GA until I can resolve this conflict.  Until
then I just swap in a hard drive with OS/2 installed.  Thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:45:52 GMT

In article <40sj3y=.jps@netcom.com> jps@netcom.com (John Serafin) writes:
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>>Incidently, CONFIG.SYS commands no longer generate screen output.  The
>>presentation is thus "cleaner" as OS/2 boots.
>These tended to go by too fast to read anyway, but it would be very nice if
>this output could optionally be directed to a file, since it is sometimes
>very valuable in verifying setup and tracking down problems.

Well, it does pause on an error sure enough.  So if there is actually
a problem you see a lot.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
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Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan J. E. T. Noyles)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Egghead
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:30:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: noyles.702790228snx
Organization: Noyles Computer Works


In article <1992Apr8.032601.9183@leland.Stanford.EDU> mdknight@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:

>
>In article <1992Apr7.054015.9055@muddcs.claremont.edu>> ddulay@jarthur.claremont.edu (Dan Dulay) writes:
>>       I visited the local Egghead store last Saturday and was told there
>>that very few Egghead retail outlets are planning to carry OS/2 2.0.  This

Well, I visited my local EDS store today, and was told that as soon as they can
get copies they'd be selling them.  In addition to being excited about OS/2,
the manager told me that he was running it because Egghead has adopted it as 
corporate (or at least the sales division) OS!  This store is on 16th & Walnut
streets, if anyone'd like to corroborate...
---
Racists think the world is flat.  [Ralph Alves, 1992]	Juan@Noyles.pha.pa.us
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: brent@cco.caltech.edu (Brent R. Eubanks)
Subject: QUESTION: Can OS/2 do fast graphics in a DOS window?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:22:48 GMT

	I plan to get a 486 soon and would like to run OS/2 2.0 on it.
However, I run alot of flight simulators on my machine, and I'm
wondering if OS/2 can keep up with such software.  I know that OS/2
arguably processes DOS software faster than DOS, but I need to know if
it processes graphics as fast -- any reduction in frame rate is EVIL
to the armchair pilot.

So, what's the scoop?


-- 
Brent Eubanks                "The meek shall inherit the Earth --
brent@cco.caltech.edu         The rest of us will go to the stars." -- R.H.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ati drivers
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:44:29 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <199213.1480.12218@dosgate> "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com> writes:
>ATI has posted OS/2 drivers to their BBS 416-756-4591.
>That is the good news.
>The bad news is that they are only 800x600x16 and 1024x768x16.
>No 256 colout.

Can someone get these to the Internet?  My phone bill was a bit steep
last month.  :-)

Well done ATI.  Now get the 256 color drivers done.  :-)
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: karu@nevada.edu (N.H.A. KARUNARANTE)
Subject: Las Vegas OS/2 Event
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:00:53 GMT

1.  Do you have an IBM or IBM compatible PC with a 386-SX or 
    higher processor?

2.  Does your PC have 4 megabytes or more memory?

3.  Does your PC have an Eighty megabyte or larger hard drive?

4.  Do you own and run DOS applications on your machine?

5.  Do you own and run Windows (standard mode and real mode)
    applications on your machine?

6.  Do you wish to tap the power of your 32-bit machine to the
    fullest?

7.  Would you like to upload/download files in the background at
    high speeds while running other applications, formatting disks,
    or backing up your hard disk in the foreground?

8.  Would you like to run a BBS in the background while formatting
    disks, running applications, or, backing up your hard disk in
    the foreground?

9.   Would you like to cut and paste among your DOS, Windows and
     OS2 applications, or DDE or OLE among your Windows applications?

10.  Would you like to edit, prnt, or, fill in cells,
     import data, or run calculations while your spreadsheet application
     is drawing graphs or printing?

11.  Would you like to take charge of your computer and, run different
     versions and brands of DOS, or the same version of DOS, each
     with its own configuration loading different device drivers,  in 
     different windows on the same desktop, without having to
     reboot your machine?

12.  Would you like to buy DOS 5.0, Windows 3.0, OS/2 16-bit, and
     OS/2 32-bit, Adobe Type Manager plus the functionality of
     Norton Commander, Norton Utilities, PC Tools, QEMM, 386 Max,
     Multiple boot managers, and more - - all in one operating system
     for less than $100 with a 60-day m       
     If you answer "YES" to any of the above questions, you owe it
to yourself to attend the Las Vegas Introduction of OS/2 at the
Clark County Public Library - Flamingo Location, on April 23rd at
7 pm.  This event is sponsored by the Las Vegas PC Users' Group.

     All attendees are eligible to WIN one of several copies of
OS/2 2.0 which will be raffled during this event.  Also, there will be
other door prizes and surprises.  You can experience OS/2 by running a
hands-on demo.

     If you wish to attend, RSVP by calling 734-4561 and reserve
your space.  Seating will be limited to the first 200 who call.

P.S.  I am posting the above on behalf of Mr. Jim Ratigan of
      IBM, Las Vegas.

Karu.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hauer@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Subject: Re: I WANT MY UPGRADE NOWpwd!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:15:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202410.5917@engage.pko.dec.com> ingram@hotair.enet.dec.com (Larry J. Ingram) writes:
>	I'm curious as to what this massive retail channel is that IBM is
>	filling. Egghead doesn't have it, CompUSA doesn't have it, CompuAdd
>	doesn't have it, nor does Software etc., Babbages, Bizmart, Sears (we
>	don't have a business center in Albuquerque), or any of the other
>	local software stores. Everyone I've called has told me they won't
>	be carrying it, not that it just hasn't come in yet.
>
>	All indications are, OS/2 is available from IBM only. What is this
>	black hole that they are calling a "retail channel"?

My latest Computer Reseller News has a full page ad from Merisel declaring that
OS/2 is available now.  It did not specify if upgrade packages would be sold 
through the channel, however.

-Corey
From: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: mouse problem under o
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:38:37 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com
Distribution: comp
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization


Does anybody know of any other mouse problems?  I have a Mouse Systems
Serial Port Optical mouse.  Am I going to have problems with this?
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From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Comdex report in clari.nb.ibm
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:42:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.154240.7641
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)



There is a very good summary of the IBM-Microsoft conflict at comdex
in the clari.nb.ibm newsgroup.

-- 
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          -Philippe Kahn, Borland International
From: chris@atl.scscom.com (Chris Boaro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: preemptive multi-tasking
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:17:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: atl.1992Apr15.141711.15012
Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc.

In <2097@nlsun1.oracle.nl> dhanna@nl.oracle.com (Damien Hanna) writes:

>Just a brief point please. Time sliced multi-tasking IS preemptive. Preemption
>means a running process in interupted somehow by the operating system. The
>algorithms it uses to prioritise tasks is irrelevant. OS/2 uses time slicing 
>the same as every other MT operating system. It interrupts a task (preempts) and
>allows it to run for a fixed period (time slices) and then preempts again. I 
>dont know what the confusion over this point is. There was no such thing as
>co-operative MT before WINDOWS. Preemption is a word that seems to have grown
>up around OS/2 to distinguish its task managemnt from WINDOWS.

>DesqView & WINDOWS 3.0 (Enhanced Mode) and pre-emptive systems. I get the 
>feeling the guy (Bill ?) who started this has realised he blundered his 
>original post and is now trying to cover this ass with semantics.

>This is not a flame BTW, just stating the facts.

Stating the facts? Close.. but not quite. You say above that OS/2 "...allows
it to run for a fixed period...". This is not correct, and is an extreamly
important issue. 

OS/2 processes run for a variable amount of time. The period of that slice
has an "upper limit", but no minimum. For example, in a communications
application, when a process calls a device driver (through DosRead(), say)
to get a byte from the async port, that process (thread, actually) is
suspended until the pending data is ready. This allows other tasks to use
processor time which would otherwise be spent idle.

THAT is the key difference between OS/2 and Windoze (enhanced mode) and
Desqview. Both of the latter operating systems make some attempt at
intelligent scheduling. But the problem isn't with the OS, it's with the
applications themselves. DOS simply does not have any reliable, robust,
means of letting a multitasking kernal know when it's idle waiting for
I/O. The vast majority of DOS applications have some direct hardware
manipulation (video, async communications, etc). This hardware interaction
makes it impossible to build an operating system that multitasks DOS
applications with the same speed and efficiancy as one that multitasks
applications built for a multitasking platform from the ground up.

>Damien.

Chris
Organization: European Academic Research Network
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 16:24:55 GMT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does anyone have French OS/2 prices?
 <25962@hydra.Helsinki.FI> <92094.161145TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
 <1992Apr5.123423.23884@hsr.no>

This is the wrong forum, but I just arrived to France (well, it has
been 5 months!), what do European people do for software? France seems
very expensive on software (IBM software seems to be reasonably
priced). I hear other European countries are so too. Do you order
stuff directly from USA, or do you fork() out the money for it?

Just curious. Don't want to may more than I absolutely need to.
Thanks, -turgut
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 22:15:37 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: first looks at GA (very short), EPM & Drag&Drop & REXX

Another shorty.

GA runs considerably faster compared to 304beta on my 486/33MHz machine
with 16MB main memory. The swapfile now remains at its default size of
2 MB and does not grow anymore to 14 or 24 MB as was the case under the
beta. Very nice ! And it is much faster, the drive-object as someone else
mentioned is usable now.

Regarding EPM. Incredible ! EPM (the enhanced system editor) now supports
drag-and-drop of text !!! In addition there is a brief description of the
REXX-interface in the quick-reference.

Lastly, installing the ATM-fonts for windows: they are on disk #5 of the
device (actually printer) driver disks and not on the regular install set.

Have to go home, my wife is getting crazy...

---rony
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 GA - Impressions, Suggestions, Info
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:21:22 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

vandendo@qucis.queensu.ca (Christian Vandendorpe) writes:
>How were you able to boot from a logical partition?? I thought you
>could boot only from primary partitions (wether they be the active or non-
>active primary partition).

OS/2 install lets you make a small boot manager partition.  This pops
up when you boot the machine, shows you all the startable partitions,
and lets you pick one.  I choose DOS if I want only DOS and OS/2 if I
want OS/2.  If I don't do anything in 3 seconds (adjustable) it boots
OS/2. 
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From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Is OS2/2.0-DOS faster than plain Dos??
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:01:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Is DOS in OS2 2.0 faster than plain Dos on the SAME machine? Or is it so
arkward and slow that I would have to dual-bbot all the time?

BTW, Microsoft says that 16-bit windows stuff will actually be slower under NT
with all the overhead...hmmm. [OS2 users snicker :-]

The latest PCmag is trash! The in depth article about OS/2 was okay, but the
first one with a side-by-side comparison between 3.1 and 2.0 is so biased!!!
Just look at the top five list to get 3.1 or 2.0.  On the windows side,
reasons include IDD/OLE, GUI stuff, and basically why people like windows. BUT
for the OS/2 side, shouldn't they mention the same stuff as the 3.1 side????
Instead, they have stuff like :"you bought OS2 dev. kit, so you're stuck", or
"you buy only IBM". What is this garbage!!!!? C'mon! Let's be fair! IMHO.


                                            
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