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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: The Cat goes to Denver?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:59:52 GMT

In article <Bxv8Mn.1Lq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
|> I just wanted to thank all my friends on the net who stayed by my side during
|> the exceptionally difficult personal time for me when Andres was unemployed.
|> The expressions of concern over the void in my life were touching.  But now,
|> there's something to look forward to--The Andres Galarraga Update, Volume II!
|> Coming to an internet node near you 15 April 1993!  Be there!
 
It sure has been a difficult time for Harold all of these months.

According to ESPN, Baylor wanted the Cat because he worked with him in St. Louis
and he thinks that thin air up there in Denver will help his numbers.

Now that we've got Galarraga out of the way and some net.celebrities are
appeased, whither Jim Acker?  Surely the Rockies can make room on their pitching
staff.  Imagine the Meatball master in Colorado.  If only Galarraga could hit
off of him.  There's an interesting matchup.

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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Comments on Round 1 of the Expansion Draft
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220415.128883@zeus.calpoly.edu> jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>I was wondering......

>Why on earth didn't the Angels protect Bryan Harvey?  Maybe Mr. Lu will have
>a comment on this.

Either because they're cheapskates or because they thought he wouldn't
get picked due to his injury or because they didn't want him due to his
injury.

>I think the pick of Alex Cole looks good for the Rockies.  Speed in center
>field is important, given that Mile High Stadium and Coors Field are large,
>and that the ball carries well in Denver's altitude.  I hope that Cole can
>develop into the outstanding leadoff hitter that he has the potential to
>become.

First of all, let me say that I *like* Alex Cole.  I thought the Indians
were fools to give him up, and I thought the Pirates were morons for
protecting Jeff King over him.

Now, that having been said, Cole is 27 years old.  27 year old players
DO NOT HAVE potential.  They don't develop.  What you see is what you get.

On the other hand, I have no idea what you're looking for, since Alex
Cole is *already* a good leadoff hitter.

Furthermore, while Alex Cole is fast, he can't field.  So speed in center 
field might be nice, but ability is even nicer.  And he doesn't have it.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Clemens Market Value (trade with Toronto)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:26:49 GMT

In article <By5JJ6.7w8@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mlstocku@zeno20.math.UWaterloo.ca () writes:
>*Why would you want to trade for Clemens when you can simply sign Cone?
>
>I would have to completely agree with this. Why would anyone bring up the idea of
>trading Clemens for prospects and roster players if a team can just as well sign
>a as good free agent starter and pay him just as much money per year as Clemens?
>

I'd say there are two differences.

One is Clemens is the best pitcher in the league.

Two is, you don't own Cone. You have to go out and compete against 27 other
teams to get him. What's the saying? A bird in the hand...

--Les
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies #1
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:57:47 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <wf3LY6200iV3M6q3tN@andrew.cmu.edu>, ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anuj Gupta) writes:
> Let, me explain to you all out there in net land why the Phillies whould
> be the top pick to win the National League east in 1993.  First of all,
> let's go over this monsterous lineup-

[Monstrous lineup deleted]

Hey, this part was OK--they did finish 2nd in the league in runs scored.

> Later - Look for the rest of the reason's why they will win, including
> their now amazing starting rotation, and their suberb closer. Only on
> the net can you get good stuff like this
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you talking about the drugs you ordered via email?  

Yeah, that Phillie "rotation" is amazing--amazingly bad.  You better
have a good explanation for this....
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
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From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:43 GMT


jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer) writes:

>Back in
>SF, there are the voters who at last count rejected a new stadium proposal 
>four times, on environmental and financial grounds.

Just to be picky, San Francisco voters turned down stadium proposals
twice, Santa Clara once and San Jose once.

-----
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erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
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From: v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: California Angels /David Segui
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:43:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxrns4.HKF
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey Buddy!

The Angels wish that they had a player of David Segui's caliber.

This Gaetti Guy? Who is He? A .226 average with 12 homers and 48 rbi's.
                            .267 on base pct.


David "The Lion" Segui!- 1 error compared to 22 for G-man.
                       - 306 on base pct. to .267 for G-man HA!
                       - 23K's for Segui to 79 for Gury!
                       - 0 caught stealing for The Lion to 1 for Gbetto 100%
                        better


Based on those stats alone we KNOW who that the LION is better than Garbonzo
Gbetti (oops Gary Gaetti) or as his teamates alone G-man!


P.S. I bet Cecil knows that Boston Creme is that Flavor of the week at Dunkin
Donuts! And we know where Cecil goes the G-man follows!

                                           -B
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:56:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick) writes:
>>Let Bob Lurie build his own stadium instead of trying to steal from the
>>pockets of the people of San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Clara, etc.

Nice sentiment. The exact sentiment that caused Lurie to try to sell the
team to Tampa in the first place. It's a great theory to force an owner to
build his own ballpark, but when the reality is that other cities will give
him one, theory doesn't do you much good.

It's exactly why we're where we are today. 

And, of course, it ignores the advantages of a park to the region and the
economic plusses they create, but we've had that argument zillions of time,
and if you didn't want to listen to that before, you won't listen to it now,
so I won't bother.

-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
                chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ 

    I wanna drive the zamboni! I wanna drive the zamboni, yes I do.
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:51:43 GMT

In article <BxvsK3.79o@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dmeister@mansci1.UWaterloo.ca (Darren Meister) writes:

[About the rumored Alomar+Baerga/Borders+Lee trade]

>If I had a dollar everytime I had heard so far in the off season about
>a true trade rumour that included a free agent well ... I could probably
>afford to sign Manny Lee. 

And if you spent that much on Manny Lee, you'd be dumb enough to be a GM.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: HoF vote --- some suggestions
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:20:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.060037.15743@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) writes:
|> Some non-partisan suggestions to voters; 
|> 
|> 1. No one from the 1800s is in our HoF, or was even close to getting in 
|> last time (not counting Cy Young, half of whose career lies in this century, 
|> and Honus Wagner, whose career was mostly in this century). I think it's 
|> safe to say that the best players of 1876--1900 were as good as the best 
|> players since, and I suggest you reserve one or two spots for them on your 
|> ballot. 

  These players were not playing baseball - they were playing a different
  game with the same name. The ball was softer, pitched underhanded, etc.
  I'll vote for the players who excelled in the game with today's rules - 
  thank you.

|> I know they played a long time ago, but, when you think about it, so did 
|> Joe DiMaggio; I'll wager there's not more than two or three of you that 
|> voted for him last time that ever saw him play in anything but an 
|> Oldtimers' Day game or a Mr Coffee commercial. And Joe D is only yesterday 
|> compared to Lou Gehrig, Walter Johnson, and Wagner, to name a few of our 
|> inductees. 

  Joe DiMaggio and Lou Gehrig were teammates. Not for long - but their careers
did overlap so it's not true that "Joe D is only yesterday compared to Lou
Gehrig...". 

|> 2. Similar comments apply to the Negro Leagues. None of their stars is 
|> close to induction in the r.s.b. HoF. Considering that within ten years of 
|> the desegregation of Major League Baseball we had Mays, Aaron, Banks, Frank 
|> Robinson, Campanella, etc. --- certainly a match for Mantle, Williams, 
|> Musial, Berra, etc. --- it seems safe to say that the best players of the 
|> Negro Leagues were on a par with their contemporaries in the white game. So, 
|> why not save them a couple of places on your ballot? 

  This time you have a good point. I'll be voting for Frank Robinson and 
  Satchell Paige for sure. Jackie Robinson? Maybe not until next time.
  And don't forget arguably the best catcher of all time - Roy Campenella.
  He won the MVP 3 times, as much as Johnny Bench and Yogi Berra - if Roy's
  career had not been cut short at such a young age he may have won it 3 more
  times!

|> 3. No umpire is anywhere near induction. The reasoning above does not 
|> apply here, I just thought I'd give you one more thing to think about. 

  Who the hell here knows a lot about umpires? No surprise that they don't get
  many votes!!

|> 
|> Gerry Myerson

-Ron Birnbaum
From: yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reimer for Bichette -- Why?
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:39:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhuvms.18NOV199222394997
Distribution: na
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov18.231741.24241@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <1992Nov18.194841.22894@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess) writes:
>>Kevin Reimer to Milwaukee for Dante Bichette
> 
>Why?  I don't understand.  Is this the Reimer that tore up AAA in 1991?
>And then hit .600 or something in a brief callup this year?

       I'm not sure who you are discussing, but Kevin Reimer has been
in the majors since early 1991, at least.  He is a good powerful lefty
bat, lots of doubles and some homers, but his problem is his defense.
Earlier this year, I saw Reimer play a Sam Horn flyball into a triple.
Reimer will be a DH until the day he dies.

	Bichette seemsto be the opposite.  He has a cannon arm in right
field, but this was the first year he hit for any kind of average.
And he sacrificed all of his power to do it.  

I predict that Reimer will put up the same numbers in Milwaukee, but
I have to wait to see the effect of the ballpark on Dante.

	One last thing.....Has Mel Hall left for Japan?   


							Kenny G

I only speak for me and not Denis!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sandoval@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Earl Weaver V. 2
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:41:03 GMT

In article <92322.233551RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
> 
> i would suggest buying pursue the pennant.  unless you're the type
> who wants graphics, since there are none in ptp.  personally, i think
> graphics are nice, but not in the least necessary, and when they're
> done to the extent that they are in weaver ii, they just get in the
> way of the game.  but maybe if i had a faster computer, i'd think
> differently.
> 
  Pursue The Pennant just released a fix to v4.  They are now at v4.03.
  But, I am currently playtesting Strat-O-Matic 4.0 and let me tell you,
this game is something else!  I also own PTP and I really didn't care when
I got the upgrade.  I haven't stopped playing my beta of SOM. 
  Here's a list of the enhancements:
 
  The screen backdrop is now a 640X480X16 picture of every major league park.
    So if the game you're playing is in Fenway, you can see the Big Green
    Monster in left.
  An Encyclopedia function to track players over consecutive seasons.
  A fringe player creation routine.
  A schedule maker.
  Enhanced out of town scoreboard.
  Compter can control rosters (send players to minors).
  A complete drafting module

  As you can see, there has been a lot added to this game.  v4 will go through
another test cycle, probably in Janurary and hopefully will be ready soon
after (March).  
  If anyone wants more info, I'd be glad to tell you what I know.  I do want to
say that v4 of PTP compares quite nicely with v3 of SOM.  PTP should have v5
ready by spring training too.

  John
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Post Draft Trade Results
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194841.22894@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess) writes:
>
>Kevin Reimer to Milwaukee for Dante Bichette

Could someone explain the reasoning behind this one for me?

--Les
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Mitchell for Charlton and other trades.
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:32:59 GMT

In article <1ed1pcINNhvp@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson) writes:
>
>Well, the Seattle Mariners and Cinninnati Reds have gotten together on a
>rather intriguing swap: Kevin Mitchell comes back to the NL West in
>exchange for Norm Charlton.  It looks like Cincinnati is not only willing
>to wager that Dibble's 1992 troubles are past him, but also that Mitchell's
>1991-2 troubles are past _him_.  At the very least, that leaves Reggie 
>Sanders and Roberto Kelly to squabble over who plays right field... :-)
>Did the Reds send anybody else to Seattle with Charlton?
>
>I wouldn't call a clear winner in this trade--yet.  The Mariners got a
>solid relief pitcher, and the Reds got a big wild card.  Time is almost
>out for Kevin Mitchell, but I wouldn't 100% count him out from having a 1990-
>like season again sometime, assuming he stays somewhat healthy and out of
>any off-field shenanigans.
>
>--
>Seth I. Robson; srobson@ucscb.ucsc.edu  [ humm-baby! ]
>University of California, Santa Cruz
>"There's something kind of EUUUUUUUGH about a kid that doesn't like
> to play baseball..."  -- Foghorn Leghorn.
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:33:36 GMT

Wait a sec.

If this is actually true (trade possibility) and if I did read right
(Manual Lee was included right?)  how is that possible when Manny Lee
is a free agent?

Did I read wrong, did the Blue Jays do something, what?


-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rockies Coup and other ramblings
From: brian@sdg.dra.com
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:35:05 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

The Rockies signed Andreas Gallaraga yesterday.  Or is it Andre Sgallaraga? :-)

Being from St. Louis, I was quite disappointed with this guy.  Maybe in the
light air he might hit a few more homeruns.

Colorado folks beware:  the 'Cat' is slow and injury-prone.  Expect him
to be on the DL for 50-60 games.

Oh well,  anybody thing Lee Smith will get picked up then traded?  If that
happens all I can say to St. Louis upper management is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The Cardinal management has pissed me off so much lately I'd almost rather have 
Bill Bidwell back (well, maybe).

As a fan I'd hate to see Smith leave (maybe I should say Smiths, as in Ozzie
and Lee).  I think the Cardinal tradition for putting a winner on the field is
now just a thing of the past.  STL management only gives a shit about one
thing: selling the beer (at $3.50 for 16 oz, thank you).

Oh well, I'm done venting. 

Go Cards?

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Earl Weaver V. 2
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:08:48 GMT


Could someone fill me in on this game? I have version 1, and am interested
in how much of an improvement #2 is. I would also like to know whether
it is possible to get the computer to play a pre-determined schedule done
with the Commissioner's Disk etc.

Thanks... Simon

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From: traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mitchell for Charlton and other trades.
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:32:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

If I'm not mistaken, Mitchell wears a beard/goatee/scraggle/something.  I
wonder how he'll react to the Reds' antediluvean 'no facial hair' policy.

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From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Houston Protected List
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:47:54 GMT
 <1egr7qINNd8n@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <kf3LWni00iV3E6q394@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: usa

about the phillies winning the nl east in 1993...

"the best thing about our pitching staff is that we hit well."

                                      -mitch williams

bob vesterman.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
>
>So, the trade on the table is:
>
>Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee
>
>I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
>need Baerga?

HUH???  You look at a totally lop-sided trade like this, and ask about
positional considerations???

Possibilities:
1) Tell Alomar he's playing shortstop.
2) Tell Baerga he's playing shortstop.
3) After trading a couple no-talents for an overrated catcher and a
very good middle infielder, trade the overrated catcher and your own
overrated 3B for a shortstop.  Play backup catchers until Delgado
is ready.

Baerga alone is worth more Lee and Borders!  Though I guess the
Indians got Baerga and Alomar for the cheap price of Carter...  Easy
come, easy go...

-Valentine
From: gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Predictions '93
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:40:51 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Nov20.202126.21799@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>>The Colorado Rockies, with the way they drafted, will be competitive
>>early.  They will probably even finish ahead of the Giants next year.
>
>Why?  They have *1* good hitter out of the draft, Eric Wedge.  And one
>adequate one, Alex Cole.
>
I'm not saying they're going to finish in the first division, but they're
not going to be pathetically bad either.  They have good, if not great 
defense at the corners, and pretty good up the middle and in the outfield.
Although they're not loaded with offensive talent, Hayes, Galarraga, Cole,
Clark are all adequate.  Looking at the Giants, after W. Clark (who isn't
what he used to be) and M Williams (who still has to prove himself), they
really have nothing.  At least the Rockies have one good pitcher.

>The Marlins will be better next year AND in the future.
>
Not next year, they really have no one.  But they do look stronger down
the road.

>>However, with the current status of the National League East (the Pirates
>>seem to be rebuilding despite 3 straight NL East titles), the Marlins
>>could possibly become the first team in history to win a division while
>>losing 100 games.
>
>Montral has a good team.
>

Yeah, the Expos are OK.  I wouldn't really call them good, yet.  Let's 
see if they can improve on last year's season first.  I was actually 
being a little facetious with my comment, but you have to admit, the 
NL East does look pretty weak.
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