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From: kitten@brewich.hou.tx.us (Kitten)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Searching for a Path
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:37:21 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

Hello to all. I am hoping that someone can help me by helping me define
the Path of Druidism. I have some various beliefs and think that this may 
be the path I wish to follow, but I need more information on Druidism 
before I can decide. I posted on another source and got no response 
whatsoever, but hopefully some kindly soul hereabouts will take my hand 
and lead me through the unrevealed (to me) parts of Paganism.

T'anks...

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:30:29 GMT


Janis wrote:
> However, I
> don't want to let a remark like, "But the Bible says . . . " go
> unchallenged.
> 
> In short, how do I challenge something like that without starting
> something?  Fundies are notorious for taking any difference of opinion
> as a personal affront, and I am tempted to say, "Well, if you believe in
> creationism, what the hell are you doing in an anthro class, damn it?"
> 
> Any opinions?  Again, I don't want to let a remark like that just go,
> but I don't want to start something, and I most definitely don't want to
> waste the class's time frittering away the hour arguing with a fundie
> with rocks in their head.
> 
> If anyone out there has experience dealing with such a situation, I'd
> appreciate it.

I don't know how many times I've heard, "But the Bible says..."  I mainly
get it from my father-in-law who's an elder at their local Baptist church.
Thank goodness he lives a few thousand miles away. :)  I've gotten so that
when someone mentions the Bible as though it is factual information, I
reply as though it is just another text book, "Yeah, that's one theory."
I've found that my father-in-law has begun to realize that I don't look at
the Bible the same way he does... it doesn't stop him, but at least he's 
getting less persistent. :)

Maybe for your anthro class you could try, "Yes, but that's not the text
you are going to be tested on." :)

Hope that helps.

Blessings,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: st1rk@jane.uh.edu (Maxwell, Darin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Dance of the Dance
Keywords: dance
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:52:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Paul Harvey used a phrase that sent tingles up my spine and an image to
my head.

The dance of the dance is the dance of miniscule squirrels doing a dance
of joy for the sun and the trees and mom over there keeping her eye out.
Three tiny squirrels fresh from the womb and the nest high in the tree
seeking a moment to dash and curtsy and weave a spell of enchantment.
One human caught up in the joyful dance of love has to be shown this.
Another human catches the smile of delight on the face of one so dear.
Squirrels run and play and ignore these silly humans who choose to
adore.

-- Darin

st1rk@jetson.uh.edu                                              
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:05:57 GMT

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
: In article <1992Oct9.190259.3854@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
: >: 
: >: Oh, well.  It's late right now, and I'm just letting my mind wander.
: >: 
: >: Blessings,
: >: Janis  
: >: 
: >
: >Now, if you could just find one made out of chocolate ...
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Sounds like it's time for you to take a trip to your local Godiva
: Chocolatier. They have many good things in shell shapes. Yum! Maybe
: it's time for *me* to make that trip.
: 
: Bb,
: 
: Corun

I would love nothing more than have the time, and finances, to make
such a trip - and then make a round journey to pay my devotions to
the net goddesses. After all, I did (some time back) volunteer to be
their priest. So far, it looks like all I can do is be the keeper of
their sacrament. Any donations that other followers wished to send
to me would be treated with the proper reverence. 

Maybe I will just have to mail them my prayer offerings. Let's see,
was it Janis that gets the dark chocolate, or Ailsa?

Bill
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth Date and Announcement!
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:22:28 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 63f2b98dd0541d2f69eda9867261b83d

In <gBPFsB1w165w@circle.UUCP> circle!lance@wolves (Lance A. Brown) writes:
>My brand new daughter!!!!!
>    born October 8, 1992 @ 4:45 PM in Raleigh, NC
>
>Yes, this IS a birth announcement!

	And she is "cute as a button".   I'm not one to go gaga over
children in general, but Lance's daughter is someone special already (at
2 days old!)

				Wolfe
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC         [use the maps!]
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    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Ritual Help For a Sick Friend
Summary: Help for a Friend With Cancer
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:25:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC



I have a family friends who has been sick these past five
years with both lung and liver cancer!  He's a real fighter
who has never given up his fight, and is, in my humble
opinion, almost a miracle!  His doctors cannot believe it,
and many of his "cancer" friends have already died.

Here is my request:  Is there a simple protection or ritual
anyone can recommend concerning health and relief of pain?
For the past several weeks, he has had excruciating back
pain, and has been taking liquid morphine to dull it.  As
he says, "On a scale of one to ten, the morphine makes the
paing go from a 9.5 to a 4"

I really would like to help him, in a "spiritual" way, which
is the only way left to help.

Any comments or suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings to all,
Jim


jimoates@panix.com



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Blame Everyone
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:31:25 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct13.024642.11376@waikato.ac.nz> simcock@waikato.ac.nz writes:

 >                 Whats all this lowest common denominator stuff.
 >         In my wide experience, (ok so I'm only 20) garbage comes from
 >         trying to build a standard for something.

I think this LCD stuff has something to do with taking a standard, and
using it not to teach but to beat someone over the head . . .

That is only partly what I mean by child abuse, however.

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Halloween
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:21:07 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <Bw5KEp.EJF@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU> stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU writes:

 > Think it was the same shop I saw the inflatable sheep love doll, for home-sick
 > New Zealanders!

This made me think of another joke about a blow-up doll . . .

        A guy was browsing through an "adult" shop when the assistant
        asked could she help him make a selection. He replied that he
        was just feeling a ;ittle lonely at nights, so she suggested
        he buy a blow-up doll, discretely wrapped in plain brown
        packaging at the bargain price of only $25.00.

        Well he took it home, blew it up and put it in his bed before
        going to shower and shave . . .

        On the paradise stroke the thing burst a seam and deflated
        suddenly . . .

        Next day he went back to the shop demanding a refund. The girl
        asked what was the problem and he told her, "I paid you $25.00
        for this doll yesterday, and it went down on me last night."

        She said, "You lucky man! If I had known it was going to do
        that I would have charged you $50.00 . . ."

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Lurker unlurks
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.182203.5413@colorado.edu> burkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (respect others' visions- live your own) writes:
>
>
>
>I just wanted everyone to know that I finally read every letter
>that has been posted. It's not a big accomplishment, I know.
>But I hope that you will be supportive about this and just quietly
>allow me to be proud of myself.
>
>I just thought you should know.
>
>Laura

Aww, c'mon...  Let's all post messages congratulating her! :) 

And how about a few puns in honor of the occasion?
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Addendum:zodiac
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:26:22 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

In response to the overwhelming replies on the signs here is an additional
list for those that wrote in:

According to Chinese legend, the Lord Buddha summoned all the animals to
come to him before he departed from earth.

Only twelve came to bid him farewell.As a reward he named a year after each
one in the order that it arrived.

First came the RAT, then the OX, the TIGER, RABBIT,DRAGON, SNAKE, HORSE,
SHEEP, MONKEY, ROOSTER, DOG and BOAR.

So the following are arranged by the self-same order:
[I shall also add the previous computations to the list that started all
this]


RAT:
Ciaran Benson: METAL RAT:9 deer/1 rain:      sacred day number 87

OX:
Mark, [markbr]: EARTH OX:10 monkey/1 wind:   sacred day number 231
Murray Altheim: METAL OX: 3 deer/1 serpent:  sacred day number 107
Mathew Donald:  WATER OX: 5 rain/1 eagle:    sacred day number 239

TIGER:
Lorrie Wood: WOOD TIGER:7 alligator/1 eagle: sacred day number 241
Thom Watson: WATER TIGER:6 ocelot/1 water:   sacred day number 214
Rosaleen Dhu WOOD TIGER  10 water/1 flower   sacred day number 49

RABBIT:
Steve Storm: METAL RABBIT:5 rabbit/1 lizard: sacred day number 148
g7v;RASTROLOGY:METAL RABBIT:3 lizard/1wind:  sacred day number 224
Barclay Blanchard WATER RABBIT:8 dog/1 house sacred day number 190

DRAGON
Marty HaleEvans:WOOD DRAGON:3 wind/1 flower  sacred day number 42
Daniel Weigert: WOOD DRAGON:7 rain/1 reed    sacred day number 59
Tammy Blandino: WOOD DRAGON:9 house/1 eagle  sacred day number 243
Bradley Booth:  WOOD DRAGON:1 serpent/1 serpent: sacred day number 105
Corun MacAnndra WATER DRAGON:2 flower/1 rain sacred day number 80
Al Alderich     WATER DRAGON:3 grass/1 dog   sacred day number 172

SNAKE
Jill Hollifield: WOOD SNAKE:13 wind/1 dog    sacred day number 182
G.Wolfe Woodbury WATER SNAKE:7 reed/1 deer   sacred day number 33

HORSE
A.Lizard :  WOOD HORSE: 6 aligator/1 vulture sacred day number 201
Richard Darsie WOOD HORSE:7 rabbit/1 wind    sacred day number 228
Bekkie Lynn: FIRE HORSE:8 rabbit/1 alligator sacred day number 8
Janis Cortesse:FIRE HORSE:7 rabbit/1 wind    sacred day number 228
Cecilia Henningson:FIRE HORSE:7 water/1 house: sacred day number 189
 
SHEEP
Deborah Gillaspie:WOOD SHEEP: 2 serpent/1 lizard sacred day number 145
Ashley:  FIRE SHEEP: 4 grass/1 water         sacred day number 212

MONKEY
Liam:  EARTH MONKEY: 4 lizard/1 alligator    sacred day number 4
Robert Allen: FIRE MONKEY:10 lizard/1 eagle  sacred day number 244

ROOSTER
Ian Fraser: FIRE ROOSTER: 2 ocelot/1 reed    sacred day number 54
Conrad Leviston EARTH ROOSTER:6 water/1 lizard sacred day number 149
Ailsa T.Murphy:EARTH ROOSTER:11 monkey/1 alligator, sacred day number 11

DOG
Peter Kappesser: EARTH DOG:4 earthquake/1 ocelot: sacred day number 17

BOAR
Chris Lilley: EARTH BOAR:12 monkey/1 flower   sacred day number 51

Eshin-Fun
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:35:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

I remember reading an article about this in Ms. magazine when I was about
12.  I still remeber the gist of the article.  I can't remeber the country
they were talking about but, the ceremony is performed on a woman right
before she is married.  On the marriage night, if the groom finds any part
of the clitoris intact, that means that the bride is unclean, and can be
sentenced to death.  They did point out in this article that a good
percentage of the women bleed to death before they are even married.
Mr Campin indicates that a small nick on the clitoris is nothing to cause
such an uproar over, but how would he see it if it is suppossed to be a
small nick on the dick?  
I agree with Janis that this is mutilation and an abomination to women. 
Why do these cultures regard the clitoris as unclean?  Because they cause
women to feel pleasure?  

Blessings,
Nancy Pilsch   
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: A book I had a long time ago
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:36:43 GMT

cancer@bluemoon.rn.com (Keith Thompson) writes:
: Can anyone tell me where I can get a book written byGavin & Yvonne Frost
: I use to have it and can't seem to find it.
: Help!!!!
: 
:  This is from
:      cancer@bluemoon.rn.com
: who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet

Well, if you want a reference of what witches/pagans do not believe - then
that would be a good book. It is what the Frosts would like everyone else
to believe is pagan dogma.

All the reviews I have read for the book have uniformly given it a
thumbs down. I do not recall that much of anything complimentary was
said about it.

None of their books that I have read have been worth purchase.  Most of
them are, in my opinion, not even worth borrowing to read.

Bill
From: cancer@bluemoon.rn.com (Keith Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: A book I had a long time ago
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:08:09 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

Can anyone tell me where I can get a book written byGavin & Yvonne Frost
I use to have it and can't seem to find it.
Help!!!!

 This is from
     cancer@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:27:20 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

I was hoping this thread would go away, but since it hasn't, I'll add $0.02.
I am. I have no memory of any pain (it was as an infant, and done by a 
doctor, I was told, with nice sharp steel, not stone, as in Jewish trad). 
I have no problems, as far as *I* can tell, with sensitvity.

In addition, I might mention that I have been told that in Jewish trad, when
the circumcision is performed is when the child's True name is given. 

On the other hand, ailsa, I do not remember the original poster saying
anything about female mutilation (which *is* what I consider that 
barbaric operation).

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: cpearson@ducvax.auburn.edu (MISTYEYES)
Subject: Re: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Auburn University--Auburn, AL
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 10:00:00 GMT

In article <-1367110517snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>, gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes...
> 
>In article <6OCT199207430789@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu writes:
> 
> > Can I jump on this bandwagon tooooo?
> >  
> > Mine is October 17, 1964 (yep in about two weeks.....).  Born in
> > Houston, Texas during a cold front at about 12:45 (well...12:4?).
> > I'm a libra and I act like one too!
> 
>After this entry I can no longer resist.
> 
>9.30 pm, 13 Oct 1949 (yep, 2 days). Griffith, N.S.W., Australia.
> 
>--
>Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Me either :)

August 13, 1965 ( yes a friday ) 7:14 pm, Little Rock ,Arkansas

thanks and bright blessings

Colleen

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:41:09 GMT

Well, I'm an INFP (Introvert/Intutitive/Feeling/Perceptive).  I just love
giving my friends this test.  The interesting thing that I've found is that
everyone in my group of nearest and dearest is Intutitive.  Do we have any
Sensing types involved with alt.pagan?

Nancy
///////////////////////////////
Nancy Josephine Proctor . . . . PA142138@UTKVM.UTK.EDU

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."
                                 Eugene Ionesco

////////////////////////////// . . .

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:01:32 GMT

st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:
: Uh, don, you said something about XTC being an argument in favour of the
: existence of the being some people call God. I beg to differ. Right now my
: ex-boyfriend, who was still one of my closest friends before he started
: playing with XTC, spends about 17 hours a day locked in his room, sleeping
: or spacing out, and will not talk to anyone, hasn't gone to work in
: months, dropped out of school, etc. Asked him why, he sez "'Cause of XTC".
: This sure as hell don't seem like a good thing. I'm with you on the Peanuts
: thing, though. "It always rains on our generation."

Sounds to me like a fucked up boyfriend. He is responsible for his actions,
not some drug.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.094104.5435@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>In witchcraft (as talked about here on this newsgroup), how do men and
>women compare against each other in their roles, etc., in the religion?
>I noticed many references to "Godess" or "Godesses" - do these
>references to feminine deities reflect a difference in the roles men and
>women are expected to have?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ignorant, and knows it,
>
> Fred Rice

This sounds like a question I once asked that started a huge thread on men's
mysteries. The best advice I got (which I will now give to you free of charge)
was to read the Spiral Dance by Starhawk. I'm still reading it, but so far
she's said some good things about the roles of men and women in the Craft,
and their realtionship to the Goddess(es) and Hers to them. Someone else
recommended Calling Down the Moon, but I haven't read it so I can't comment
on it.

Hope this helps.

Bb,

Corun



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From: sjg@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Susan Gavula)
Subject: Bit-mapped pentagram 
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:05:51 GMT

Hello,

I am looking for a bit-mapped picture of a pentagram.
Please email responses... thanks.

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 23:15:39 -0400 
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Serpent's Skin
	<Bvpw4w.EKK@inews.Intel.COM>

>Serpents and dragons shed their skin, ie crawl out of their old skin and
>into their new skin. That's a metaphor. What does it mean to you?

Isn't this just a variation on the old rebirth myth?  Like a person's
journey into self-discovery, when you make a difficult decision you must
discard what you once were, and become something new.  Die a little
death, in essence.

Isn't this something like that Tarot card, "Tha Hanged One"? I vaguely
remember reading something about that in stuff by Amber K.

Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: dead cats
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:39:13 GMT

TMM is here watching the evening pulp news, and they just had a story
about a bunch of cats being poisoned under a frdeeway overpass.  I'm
waiting for the accusations to fly . . .

Pretty odd, really, as most Witches I know are cat-lovers.  The media,
however, is not known for it's adherence to reality.

Blessings,
Janis
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Native, was Witches and death
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:28:41 GMT
	<-1366863851snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> <Bw48ry.492@access.digex.com>
Organization: indios y mestizos, can we all just get along?

In article <Bw48ry.492@access.digex.com> 
corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>I personally don't like to think of myself as not a Native American as I was
>born here. Second generation on my father's side, and the gods only know
>on my mother's, but that's been a long time.

Why not? What makes one a native? What actions give you the right to call
yourself American? Paul Rodrigues had an interesting essay on
PBS's MacNeil/Lehrer about the celebration of Columbus's 500th. He concluded
that the problem is that for a great deal of us, for better or for worse,
1492 is our birthday.
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