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From: pmcdonou@jade.tufts.edu (Paul McDonough)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Akbar del Piombo
Summary: Anybody know about him????
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:48:37 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: pmcdonou@jade.tufts.edu


 Hi,

   I'm looking for information on the author  Akbar del Piombo.
 The book I've seen written by him was _Fuzz Against Junk_. There were
 other references to books such as _Heromaker_, _Boilermaker_, and 
 _Is That You, Simon?_. Can anyone give me info on this author???
 
   I've looked everywhere for these books and can't find them. I mention
 the author's name to people in bookstores and get funny looks (funnier 
 than usual, okay). The book _Fuzz Against Junk_ seemed to be an 
 underground copy (no publisher) and looked to have been published 
 in the 60's or 70's. 

 Can anyone help? Thanks in advance!!!

 paul

 pmcdonou@jade.tufts.edu
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From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.143027.14804@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <25378@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>>I'm surprised to have seen no mention of the one US news magazine
>>that is intelligent, informative, well-written, and entertaining.
>>I refer, of course, to The Nation. The regular columns by, in
>>particular, Christopher Hitchens, Alexander Cockburn and Edward
>>Said are streets ahead of anything found in The Economist and its
>>ilk.
>
>I agree entirely in Jeremy's recommendation of THE NATION, save that
>I don't regard as a "news magazine" so much as an opinion magazine.
>Although THE NATION also publishes some excellent original reporting,
>its mission is different from that of the newsweeklies.

Perhaps _In These Times_ is nearer to what r.a.b readers want in an alternative
newsmagazine, although, of course, it does not pretend to be objective.

My favourite U.S. political magazine is, however, _The Progressive_, which
inevitably produces several interesting articles each issue, plus Molly
Ivins' columns and "No Comment". And, if one goes by the virulent debate in
its letters columns, it hardly sticks to one party line.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: butter flavored Crisco
Keywords: lock and, lime pie, note, phrase
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:17:30 GMT

In article <aqV6PB1w165w@comtch.spk.wa.us> mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes) writes:
>bill@AEC.MsState.Edu (bill balcerzak) writes:
>> I once had a girlfriend who liked to bring the dog, the cat, about two
>> yards of nylon webbing, several pairs of handcuffs, and a large tin of
>> buttered flavored Crisco to bed ...  oops
>> Wrong newsgroup.
>> Sorry.
>> Carry on.
>
> 
>  No, no, it's better than this annoying Agnostic/Atheist/Theist flame.  
>My site doesn't have a killfile system.  Ick.  So, what was this 
>girlfriend's name/phone number?  I'd like to meet her...  |-)

Maybe not, since the guy himself isn't on the list!

cjl
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:53:41 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <25378@castle.ed.ac.uk>, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
> I'm surprised to have seen no mention of the one US news magazine
> that is intelligent, informative, well-written, and entertaining.
> I refer, of course, to The Nation. The regular columns by, in
> particular, Christopher Hitchens, Alexander Cockburn and Edward
> Said are streets ahead of anything found in The Economist and its
> ilk.
> 
> -Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte

Perhaps it's a matter of definition, but I don't think of _The
Nation_ as a newsmagazine, but a journal of political opinion,
like _National Review_, _Reason_, _New Republic_.  The strength
of such magazines isn't current news coverage, but analysis
(to the extent that ideology doesn't screw it up, as it usually
does).



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:51:50 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Aug8.182614.15372@cs.brown.edu> pcm@cs.brown.edu (Peter C. McCluskey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.164219.4889@news2.cis.umn.edu>, alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross) writes:
>|>   The Arguments:
>|>     If God created the universe, then God must exist outside of the Universe,
>|>     and outside of time.  Otherwise, who created Him?
>|> 
>|>     If God exists outside of the universe, then God cannot by definition affect
>|>     the universe, since to do so would make God a part of the Universe.  So
>|>     either God is part of the Universe, or God cannot affect it.
------------------------------
unsupportable. 

>|>     If God cannot affect the Universe, his existence is moot.
>|> 
>|>     If God CAN affect the Universe, then he is not God, in the sense that he
>|>     cannot have created the Universe while still being a part of it.
----------------------------
And these following are also unsupportable.

---------------------------
One is not allowed to use math correctly upon a diety. You're trying
to fence in something that you might claim is the author of the
possibility of Venn diagrams WITH Venn diagrams. There is no proof
that if there is an outside to the universe, that it must be anything
like what you insist, nor is there a proof that the universe is closed
so that it has a legitimate inside or outside, and I don't even mean
in the astronomical definition of open or closed! There is still far
too much to the nature of the universe that we don't have the vaguest
knowledge of to conclude anything worthwhile, except locally and for
our meager puposes.

-- 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Richard STEVEn Walz   rstevew@deeptht.armory.com   (408) 429-1200 *
* 515 Maple Street #1   To remain ignorant enter in your KILL file: *
* Santa Cruz, CA 95060     /From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com/h:j    *
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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: Worthwhile newspapers (WAS Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:40:39 GMT

In article <78966@ut-emx.uucp> jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:
>The local paper (_Austin American-Statesman_, generally known as the
>_RealEstatesman_ or the _SpaceCase_) is notable chiefly for its
>consistency in underestimating the intelligence of its readers; 
>


. . . and its maniacally enthusiastic support of local Chamber
of Commerce booster projects--thus the Austin Real Estatesman.

Local arts, howver, which flourish wildly, especially the music,
dance, and theater scenes, are for the most part ignored in
favor of one more interview with a sitcom star.

The local alternative rag, the Austin Chronicle, has its moments.

Kate


-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
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From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: butter flavored Crisco
Keywords: lock and, lime pie, note, phrase
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:45:21 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

bill@AEC.MsState.Edu (bill balcerzak) writes:
> I once had a girlfriend who liked to bring the dog, the cat, about two
> yards of nylon webbing, several pairs of handcuffs, and a large tin of
> buttered flavored Crisco to bed ...  oops
> Wrong newsgroup.
> Sorry.
> Carry on.

 
  No, no, it's better than this annoying Agnostic/Atheist/Theist flame.  
My site doesn't have a killfile system.  Ick.  So, what was this 
girlfriend's name/phone number?  I'd like to meet her...  |-)
 
 - Mark Hughes  (Caves of Steel 624-2078)     mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:09:01 GMT

>+> >>} >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>+> >>} >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>+> >>} >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>+> >>} >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>+> >>} >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>+> >>} >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>+> >>} >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>+> >>} I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>+> >>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>+> >WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>+> R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>+OY, THE PAIN!
>BUT WITHOUT PAIN THERE BE NO GAIN!
HAS ANY ONE, I SAY HAS ANY ONE SEEN MY BRAIN?



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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: ENTROPY & IRONY
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:01:44 GMT

RICHH writes:

	All right, *you* come up with a better title for a biography 
	of Thomas Pynchon.

*THOMAS PYNCHON: A Biography*? But i suppose in your world information
content will always lose out to the cutesy poo.

							Fido
From: asa@STL-09SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin on 9000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re:  Patrick O'Brian vs Horatio Hornblower..., Really On-Line Catalogs
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:21 GMT


  nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
>  Anyone got any suggestions?  While hovering around the Public
>  Library shelves, trying forlornly to tell books by their covers, I thought
>  how neat it would be if there were a database available into which I could
>  put a subject ("sea stories") and it would spit out a list of good ones :-(

It sounds like this is a parallel to what I hoped the St. Louis Public
Library's on-line catalog would do -- but it doesn't. :-(

When they came out with their CD-ROM-based catalog, which is accessible
on PCs scattered thru the libraries and also on some at other locations,
like at the library here in my building, I had hoped that I could, for
example, get a summary list of all fiction involving submarines, say, by
doing a search on the terms "fiction" and "submarine". No luck. Their
cataloging people put no keywords on fiction! So there is nothing in
the catalog to indicate the subject matter of any fiction books. You have
to guess based on your knowledge of the author. Yuck.

Also, their search algorithm is so poor that it won't find "submarines"
if you tell it "submarine"! If you are looking for nonfiction you have
to do repeated searches by all possible variants of the terms you are
interested in, and hope you've thought of everything. 

I ask the net: are any of you at a location where the public library has
an on-line catalog that lets you do database-like searches? How well does
yours work? Will it find any occurrence of a character string no matter
if it is embedded inside a longer word? Will it find subject matter in
fiction? Do you know what vendor supplies it?

What about university libraries? I know many have on-line catalogs; are
they more versatile than public library versions? Or are they just as
limited?

Regards, Will
wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:42:59 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug25.153404.2055@ccs.QueensU.CA> 3005904@jeff-lab.queensu.ca (Colleen Davis (Dexter)) writes:
 >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
 >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
 >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
 >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
 >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
 >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
 >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
 I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Poetry Suggestion
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:39:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, scottj@tahiti.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) says:

>I will soon read a poem to my Toastmasters club (a club for people
>interested in improving public speaking skills).   I am looking for a
>particular sort of poem to read--I want an inspirational poem, a rousing
>tribute to the power and spirit of the human race.  I want a poem that
>brings a lump to your throat and makes you proud to be a human being.  I am
>particularly interested in something that celebrates the the noble or
>courageous individual.  I also need it to be from a reasonably well known
>poet, one that I would be able to find in a public or college library.
>
>So how about it?  Anybody out there have any favorites that fit the bill? 
>Any suggestions you can give me would be of the greatest help and would be
>sincerely appreciated.
>
>Please respond by email or by posting.
>
>John Scott
>scottj@gumedlib.dml.georgetown.edu
>
Given your aims and conditions, it would be hard to beat Tennyson's
"Ulysses."
-- 
      ||    Gary Lee Stonum                gxs11@po.cwru.edu    ||
      ||    English Department                  216-368-3342    ||
      ||    Case Western Reserve University                     ||
      ||    Cleveland, OH 44106-7117                            ||
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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:16:23 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <11928@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <94600@bu.edu>, manes@bu-pub.bu.edu (Michelle Manes) writes:

># |# Maybe I'm just a narrow-minded sort, but unless a writer makes a point
># |# of telling me his race or gender, and that it has some significance to 
># |# what he is writing about (e.g., Shelby Steele's _The Content of our 
># |# Character_), I don't see much point to classifying the author by race 
># |# or gender.
># 
># An author's identity -- including race, creed, gender, socio-economic
># status, age, when and where they lived -- impacts his writing.  It has
># significance whether or not the writer is explicitly discussing issues
># of race and gender.  Whenever I begin reading a book, I look for a short
># (or long) biography of the author so I have some context in which to
># understand his work.  It may be true that I can enjoy and benefit from
># the book without the background information, but I find this context
># helps immensely.
># 
>
>The time and place a person grows up make a big difference.  Race?
>Sorry, liberals, but it's irrelevant.

After sitting out a few rounds of this debate, I can't resist joining
the fray once again.

On the question of whether a writer's gender or race is relevant to
his or her writing, I submit that what is relevant is the position a
writer occupies in the culture or society in which he or she lives.
Inasmuch as that position is affected by the race or gender of the
author, then the author's race and/or gender becomes relevant to his
or her writing.

I tend to look at writing as the individuals direct or indirect
response to the times and the culture in which he or she lives or
writes about.  At the very least the author's view of things, culture
or history or anything else, is likely to color the work being
written. At the very least, how the writer sees herself, her position
within and her relation to her world (which may be limited to the
context of the culture in which she writes) will color her view of
that world and everyone else within it. If race or gender, or perhaps
even social class, is significant in deciding her place in the world,
then it will color her view of the world, and her writing, and thus it
becomes relevant when examining the writing itself.

Hmmm....reading that last paragraph makes me a little dizzy, but it
still makes sense to me. Anyone else?



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I've stopped reading The New Republic
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep1.223456.6327@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
> Mike Siemon writes:
>     However, like the other American rags, _The Nation_ has the utterly
>     infuriating tendency to regard all positions but their own as too
>     vile and worthless to even consider -- the mere mouthings of idiots.
> 
> Mike Godwin replies:
>One exception to this generally correct generalization: THE NEW REPUBLIC.
> 

_Commentary_ often has a very lively letters to the editor section.   
Correspondents are not edited down to a few pithy lines, and the article's  
authors don't always "win."  Real blows are landed.  In other mags I  
always get the impression that letters are just a pro forma exercise--if a  
correspondent disagrees with the magazine he gets a few sentences that  
either make him look like a mouth-breather or are artfully refuted by the  
editor.  It's kind of like Usenet in that way.  They get to pick what they  
respond to.

I haven't read TIMEWEEK in years (as opposed to looking at the pretty  
pictures now and then) but as I recall they were especially good at the  
"refutation by only letting idiots speak for the opposition" tactic.  

TNR actually works pretty well as a news magazine.  If you catch a  
newspaper or three a week and listen to the news during the morning  
commute you usually have enough background to pick up on what's going on.   
Any long-running story in the papers gets repetitive after the first few  
days anyway.
----
Don McGregor
drm@esl.com
From: roger@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (roger.s.tait..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sea stories (was: Patrick O'Brian vs Horatio Hornblower)
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:08:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug26.225106.3923@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
> In article <10449@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
> >  .....
> >  BTW, this thread awoke in me a great longing to read some more good sea
> >  stories.  Anyone got any suggestions?
      (recommendations deleted)

I'm reading Tim Powers' _On Stranger Tides_ now. Great seagoing fantasy! 
 
> My second recommendation is Eric Newby's "The Last Grain Race". The 
> author was 18 years old in 1938 when he shipped aboard the giant four-
> masted barque Moshulu on a year-long voyage to bring in a cargo of wheat 
> from Australia. His book is full of insight and humor, and is exceptionally 
> well-written (Newby went on to become a professional travel writer).
> Incidentally, the hull of the Moshulu is still afloat, somewhere in the
> vicinity of Philadelphia.

It's at Penn's Landing on the Delaware River, just south of the
Ben Franklin Bridge. I believe it's been converted into a restaurant.

Roger Tait
AT&T Bell Labs  Holmdel, NJ

-- 
-----------------
Roger Tait
att!hoqax!roger
AT&T Bell Labs Publications Center      Holmdel, NJ
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From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:24:38 GMT

I concur that Timeweek&World are dumbed down.  Opinion on the Economist is
split.  I tried World Monitor and found it pretty fluffy too.  The Nation and
Foreign Affairs are mostly opinion journals.  So can anyone suggest an American
news medium suitable for adults?  I've been shopping for one for years, and
am getting discouraged.

				Chuck Smythe

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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Sea stories 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:29:48 GMT


I knew Frang na Mara (aka Francis Muir) would come thru with a few
titles.

There seems to be many more suggestions for nonfiction than fiction
in this thread.  A nonfiction I enjoyed a long time ago was
Francis Chichester's (Frang na Mara can correct the spelling of poor
Sir Francis' last name), "Gypsy Moth Circles the World".  His story
of sailing around the world single handed.  The part I enjoyed the best
was when he had rounded the Horn and was heading for Australia in the
Roaring 40's.  He was trying to beat a clipper ship record set in the
late 1800's for that distance under sail.  He didn't beat the record. 
I came away thinking that I wouldn't really enjoy being around Sir Francis. 
He came across as a grumbly, mean sprited man with little good to say about
anything or anybody.

One I haven't read but my boating friends recommend highly is "Maiden
Voyage", author unknown to me.  Its the story of a 16 year old woman who
decides to sail single handed around the world to "grow up".  Her father
surprisingly supports her in this.  What astounded my friends is that she
didn't know anything about navigation and had inferior instrument that
warped and bent out of shape so she was making erroneous readings and
didn't know it.

One I'm trying to find thats recently out of print is "Sailing to
Bambola" by the son of a famous newscaster.  Brinkley?  He signs on
a modern merchant ship and writes his adventures including about the
first mate who gets the clap from the captain's inflatable doll.


William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD

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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Oinkies
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:20:01 GMT

THE TE OF PIGLET is nearly as delightful as THE TAO OF POOH, but the
indefatigable Weemba (who of course is not reading this) is right:
Hoff's understanding -- or at least the understanding he puts forth
-- of the Tao is very newagey.

Read and enjoy, but if you want a good introduction to Tao for 
westerners, I recommend Raymond Smullyan's book THE TAO IS SILENT.


		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:23:47

I was surprised to read about Britain:

> owning weapons has been anything but the prerogative of the Armed Forces.
> The sole exception has always been hunting weapons. 
> 
> 						Fido

As usual Cramer has the detailed facts.  I was, and still am, willing
to bet Francis $50 that he was mistaken purely on the basis of my
reading of British detective stories.  No gentleman was ever
bothered about owning a weapon in such a story.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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