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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: --=> MTB: Looking for advice on mtbs around $700 <=--
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:18:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.041618.12596@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) wrote:
>
>  I want to spend around $700 on my next mountain bike.  This amount is
>  for a stock bike.  I do plan on spending more on goodies in the future,
>  like Manitou forks, etc.

There is a chrome-moly GT with Rock Shox and DX for $800. And a Diamond-
back with Marzocchi shocks and XT for $1000 and a Specialized with Future
Shocks and DX for $900. The GT is almost 29 pounds but is built to last.
The others are a little lighter.

The reason I mention these bikes is beacuse (a) you will save some money
by getting suspension from the factory and (b) the post Anahiem Bike
Show/Pre-Christmas season is when the dealers try to get rid of 1992
inventory. October and EARLY November is the time to find great bargains.
If you wait into November too long you will (a) have a hard time finding
the right model/size in stock and (b) run the risk of lapsing into the
holiday buying season where the discounts are not as deep. I imagine that
the Specialized Stumpjumper with shocks will discount down to around $750
or less. Last year my girlfriend bought a Stumpjumper (no shocks) with a
$750 list price for $550. She is very happy with the bike.


> I would like at least DX components, and thumb shifters.

Don't count the new XT Rapidfire Plus (thumb and trigger style) out.
I recently converted to these from my die-hard top-mount stance and
I am very pleased with them. They are intuitive, precise, and give
'gears on demand'.


> I am considering a Hammer by Rocky Mountain.  It is incredibly light
> and fast compared to my Trek.

Not to mention 'very well built'. A friend of mine rides one and I am
impressed with the quality and sturdiness. It's not as light as it could
be because Rocky Mountain make very sure that the frame will take what-
ever you can dish out. I'm not familiar with the models but his is
beefy aluminum and light enough.

  --scott
From: davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Touring VA, MD, PA info. Request
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:34:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

>>Looking for recommendations for places for a six day bike tour
>>in VA, MD, or PA.

There are lots of covered bridges in PA.  Many have different and
interesting designs.  Don't miss them.  It may be necessary to do a few dirt
roads to get there.  It is worth it.

The roads in PA are marked very well with either "T" numbers (township
roads) and "SR" numbers (state roads).  The "T" roads are usually dirt.
Many are seasonal.  The "SR" roads with the 4 digit numbers are the best
bike routes.  Some are dirt, but most are paved and have very little
traffic.  Ask locally (when you are there) for advice on the route.

I did a week tour in central PA a few weeks ago.  (Loaded.)  The people are
generally friendly to bikes.  The teenagers are really into mountain
biking.  There are lots of places to ride off road.  There are almost no
restrictions.  There are lots of trails in the state forest.  Many are built
for mountain bikes.  The food can be a real pain.  The best is subs at the
small stores.  Food at restaurants is amazingly cheap, and some are good,
but most have so much fat it is sickening.  It is almost impossible to stick
to anything like a vegetarian or low fat diet.  One place put so much butter
on the pancakes it was sickening.  They spread it all over and between so
there was no way to remove it.  I must ask for "no butter" from now on.

It is a great place to ride.  I'll go back for more.  Further south next
time.

al.
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From: jeannine@skyline.esd.sgi.com (Jeannine Smith)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Monitors: What do you really use?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Research & Development
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:49:42 GMT

sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:

>I've decided that it's time to use the Scientific Method in my riding. To help
>me time trial better, I've decided to plunge into HRM land. [ ... ]
>Any models I should absolutely stay away from?

There are some monitors out there that beep with every heart beat. It's
a soft beep, but loud enough to be faintly heard and very annoying,
and the beeping can't be turned off. Sorry, not sure of the model,
but if little beeping sounds would annoy you when you ride, try the
heart-rate monitor out in the store before you buy.

	- jeannine smith
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drillium
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:26:58 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <k30m6bb@lynx.unm.edu> an unknown road warrior writes:
>John Wilbrand Dahlgren writes:
>>I had just finished drilling my water bottle and was going to start
>>on my tires, but the drill shorted out. Don't forget to empty
>>the water bottle first.
>
>I had much the same problem once when I drilled out my head.  I went to install
>the titanium knee caps but the drill bit had gotten worn out and I couldn't
>remember where to get another one.
>
>Paul ?
>?????, NM

This is exactly the problem you get when you use dime-store trepans.  I
much prefer the upmarket, tungsten-tipped models from K-Mart.

Anyway, wasn't all this discussed in the book "The Third Eye" by
Lobsang Rampa ?  Aren't we all supposed to partake of this new, miracle
treatment -- drillium -- put holes in our heads and wander around
chanting mantras such as "Conti's cling like climbing cats" ...

...  or have I just been dropped on my head once too often.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:32:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com writes:

>Terry Thiel writes:

>  {in response to my endorsement of SPD pedals}
>< I know alot of people like these pedals but I think it should be mentioned

Don't be such a weenie Jobst.  I did ride the pedals briefly as I said in at
least one post.  I merely wanted to bring up the issue of lateral rotation.
Sheesh!
-Terry
>Thanks for the rumor.  Maybe you want to tell us about your own experience
>which might be a bit bore accurate, I assume.  At least you included the
>disclaimer that this is merely hearsay, others have often left that to the
>imagination.

>I suspect that because SPD came along after most people had equipped
>themselves with other systems, a certain defensiveness is a natural response.
>Pedals are not cheap but then I wouldn't rush to dissuade others from moving
>into a more convenient pedal system.  What I see in the SPD is that walking,
>which is an important function of shoes has previously been largely ignored.
>SPD finally addresses that aspect and has don it well.  In doing so two
>major concerns are resolved: 1. Normal walking;  2. No cleat wear (from
>walking).  In addition, rotation is adjustable in stiffness and the cleat is
>steel so that engagement is repeatably positive.

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Trek & MTB Sponsorship?
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:03:23 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

What is up with Trek....I was reading a article in Mountain Bike Action
(ok,ok I like the pictures and the ads .... but it is written for
MTB freaks who eat mexican food, drink too much beer, and have bonked
their heads maybe one too many times....oops that describes me...)
and they brought up a good point ... why doesnt TREK sponsor a
Pro mens or womens MTB team.  They are one of the biggest bike makers
in the US (if not the world), you cant go anywhere without seen a
Trek MTB (at least at Penn State), and they are selling a bizzilion bikes
yet they have constantly put off giving something back to the sport
by sponsoring a team (there have been rumors each of the past few
years theat a TREK team would be forming, each year TREK ended up
saying "maybe next year").  Small companies support teams (Yeti
, Fat city, Manitou) why cant TREK....and there are good riders
out there who need support, Julia Ingersoll (sp) comes to mind,
she is a regular in the top ten of Norba National races but currently
is only sponsered by NUKE PROOF (a small mich. company who makes
carbon fiber products) who also sponsor Dave (something) who shocked
the pro's with a top 10 finish at the Norba national opener....Hats
off to NukeProof for supporting these riders but they deserve more...
Every other major player in the MTB industry (giant, Schwinn, cannondale
, GT) sponser teams....come on TREK .... give something back

Steve Litivn..u3c@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:41:38 GMT

kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>One immediate difference is that the RB-1 is steel, has Ultegra
>instead of 105, and costs $100 more.  It also has bar-ends, but I believe
>I remember my favorite IBC salesperson saying it could be retrofit with
>downtube shifters at no charge.

Don't give up on the bar-ends yet.  I didn't think I'd like them either
but now i would not want down tube shifters.  

>The SBI guy said it will definitely be okay with Specialzied
>Transition 26mm tires, but may not work with 28mm tires, depending on
>how wide they really were.  Strangely enough, this alone could
>prevent me from buying thsi bike.

The RB-1 will take up to 32c tires, not 28.

>	HARD ANODIZED WOLBER RIMS.  1991 Allez comes with
>Wolber hard-anodized dark 32H rims.  I've given up finding a 36-H
>spec'd racing bike, but then again I've only looked closely
>at two bikes.  Bridgestone reported comes with anodized Ritchey
>32H rims.  The SBI guy reports no regular reports of problems with
>spoke pull-through, but he said if it happens in the first year
>it is indeed covered by the comprehensive warranty.  I guess
>I will crank up the tension in the rims when I get my bike and
>hope any cracks develop in the first twelve months.  Two people
>on the net told me their Bridgestone rB-1 bikes came with 
>spoke problems, and this seems to be due to improper wheel building
>rather than bad components.

The just need to be tensioned properly.  The bike shop should be able to
do that.

>	Strangely enough, while I thought some Trek ads said 
>they were all made in America, someone at bike Nashbar told
>me some Treks are made in Taiwan.  Sicne Trek's road bikes are
>moving away from steel and towards aluminum, Titaniumand CF,
>I don't know.  Trek also has the steel line of Jazz bikes. 

Yeah Trek and Schwinn both try to give the impression that their bikes are
made on America.  Few of them are.

-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: Mold Release & Preservative Agents (was Re: Road tires?)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:18:57 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Jobst Brandt writes:
>Paul Sery, Steve Gilbert, and Brian Radloff all complain that I take
>broad endorsements of their favorite tires to task for saying
>essentially that "they're better".  It may not seem odd to some who
>are raised on a continuous stream of advertising claims that one
>product or another is "improved", "has more power", or does any
>number of things "better" without ever saying to what other product
>it is being compared and most importantly, how.

I stated my background and reasoning.  What does advertising have do with it???

>I find nothing wrong with expressing opinion but just the bland,
>"they handle better" doesn't convince me that the writer isn't just
>joining the chorus.  Enough writers have given testimonials to one
>tire or another being easier or harder to mount than another.  That's
>helpful information about which one can make some judgment.  I'm not
>asking for scientific tests and comparisons, personal experience is
>just fine.  If you take the time to write about it you might just
>try to fill in the background on what you base your conclusions so
>other readers needn't take your endorsement entirely on faith.
>
>And don't get so injured when I disagree with your contentions, it
>just makes it sound like some personal failing, over which you have
>no control, has been exposed... especially when rushing to the aid
>of other writers.
>
If you go back and read my post you will find that I explicitly expressed
what was subjective opinion and objective fact.  If you choose to ignore
it that's your choice.

Paul Sery
Albquequerque, NM


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: slais02@unixg.ubc.ca (Robyn Stewart)
Subject: Re: Young white male in red sports car
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:11:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.032828.17342@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
	canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>>> slais02@unixg.ubc.ca (Robyn Stewart) writes:

(Sorry, I'm a little confused who wrote what, so I'll leave it all in).

>Robyn, what did the last line in your post mean (a 70-ish car - well tuned)?
>You lost me (easy to do).

Now if only I could drop you on the big hills, too :-).

But I will explain: my car stereotype system is based solely on what the cars
look like.  It just keeps me alert, and amuses me when it actually
seems to correspond to reality.  Red cars (until yesterday) could be
depended on to blast past from behind, brown cars go at a moderate speed
but take off your elbow, cars with wood panelling turn right in front of
you, and any car built in the seventies is guaranteed to have an engine
so badly tuned that there is a trail of smoke behind it.  Therefore I
don't pull up behind them at stop lights.  

I conjectured that if one morning brought a slow red car, the next
might shatter another stereotype.

(BTW: Pink Cadillacs have a category all to themselves).

Robyn Stewart                     slais02@unixg.ubc.ca         __o
University of British Columbia    OR stewart@dao.nrc.ca      _`\<,_
School of Library, Archival and Information Studies         (_)/ (_)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:20:36 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Jobst Brandt writes:
>Kritt writes:
>
>> I must admit, the only thing I know about them is they look great 8)...
>
>It's good to see that looking good is preferred at almost any price.
>What, I wonder, do you expect these wheels to do for your bicycling?
>They are heavier, have poorer braking for lack of cooling, make
>strange noises when going fast (whup whup whup...) and they are side
>wind sensitive.  To make up for it they cost more than twice what
>good durable wheels cost complete and ready to ride.  Then you get to
>put a freewheel and skewers on them.
>
>What means "they look great"?  I suppose there is no accounting for
>bad taste.
>
Jobst, why do you have to hit people over the head with your subjective 
preferences.  So what if people are not as pure as you.  If you really care 
about the asctetics of cycling, or anything else, a gentle suggestion or
observation will have a far better influence

Besides, Kritt was asking a simple objective question about the characteristics 
of the wheel and mentioned that he liked the look of them too; I agree they
look pretty cool while you don't - so what.  You seem to take such observations personally and infer completely different things than any reasonable reading 
suggests.  Lighten up.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stages 2&3
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 16:38:35 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Stage 2, Hardenberg - Haaksbergen 93 km.
 
1. De Koning        2h 01' 41'' (avg. 45.856)
2. Stenersen
3. W. Nelissen              3''
4. Konishev
5. Leoni
6. Baffi
7. Van Brabant
8. Cornelisse
9. Capelle
10. Koerts
 
Motorola's Norwegian first-year pro Stenersen made the break first, to
be joined by Panasonic's Louis de Koning later. Together they gained a
maximum lead of 40'', but were chased by the pack led of course by the
Buckler team to defend Nijdam's leading position. This is guessing,
but to me it seemed that the recent non-aggresion treaty between
Buckler and Panasonic prevented the Bucklers from actually getting the
two leaders back. They held a very small lead at the finish, where De
Koning had no problem winning.
I recall a similar incident from the Tour of Britain as this one, that
was on TV: Pack leaving with one rider short, Greg Lemond crashing
through bushes and sidewalks to join the pack late.
 
Stage 3, Individual Time Trial Haaksbergen, 31 km.
1. Nijdam     37' 31''
2. Bezault        31''
3. Marie          31''
4. Pieters        36''
5. Maassen        43''
6. Breukink    .. 59''
7. Yates       1' 01''
8. Zhdanov     1' 09''
9. Seigneur    1' 15''
10. Harmeling  1' 16''
 
Strong effort by Nijdam, who appears to have taken a lead that
may win him the Tour of Holland. Everything will be decided on
the last day in the Dutch "Mountains". If he is in good shape he can
make it, and he will have Maassen riding for him (I presume).
 
Overall:
1. Nijdam    7h 57' 30''
2. Marie            41''
3. Bezault          51''
4. Pieters          52''
5. Maassen          57''
6. Breukink      1' 20''
7. Yates         1' 22''
8. Zhdanov       1' 35''
9. Harmeling     1' 38''
10. Koerts       1' 41''
 
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Willem Boersma                           Bitnet:SOND0091@HASARA11
SARA                                     Internet:sond0091@vm1.sara.nl
Academic Computing Centre Amsterdam
The Netherlands
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:15:16 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: MORE OPINIONS WANTED: Trek 2100/2300 & C'Dale 2.8
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:06:04 GMT

yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip) writes:
>I ride a Trek 2300 (about 6 weeks old), about 175-200 km per week, and love
>it. The STI is great, but that is not really Trek's doing is it. The frame
>is a good size, the top tube being longer than my previous frame's. I ride
>a 60 cm, am 193 cm (about 6'4"?) and 93 kg (~200lbs?), and was amazed
>that at 500 km the wheels hadn't moved more than a couple mm from perfectly
>true, I've never had that happen before! Nothing creaks or groans, everything
>was assembled almost perfectly and: it corners well at speeds over 80 kmh, 
>seems good on bumpy roads, is good for pedalling through corners.
>The only thing I'd change would maybe be to leave the aluminum tubes in their 
>natural state rather than paint them. I love the look of the main tubes in 
>the sun.
The perfect assembly was more likely due to your bike shop than Trek.  I've
seen lots of Treks come from the facotry very poorly adjusted.  I liked the
chrome on the 2300 better also.  I understand Trek had them painted to reduce
costs.  I had a Trek 2500 in Hawaii and the chrome was eaten away very quickly
so maybe its better that they're painted.
-Terry
From: UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu (JON HALL)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cannondale M-series framesets
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:15:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: mizzou1.16849100BB.UC390136
Organization: University of Missouri

I'm thinking of getting a 1993 Cannondale M-series frameset.
I noticed that on one side of the bottom bracket tube
the wall thickness of the tube varied (i.e., the inside
of the tube was not concentric with the ouside of hte tube).
 
The guy at the bike shop said this may be so, because the
tube had not yet been reamed out for the bottom bracket.
 
Should I avoid buying the frameset, because of this oddity?
(If it *is* an oddity...)
 
-Jon Hall
uc390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:55:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: presta to schraeder

. personally have never seen a gas station air tank
that was safe to pressurize over 120 psi. I'm not saying that
they don't exist, but I think that most of the  'blow-off'
worries came from older tires with 70 psi limits.

Most new 700c's will stand over 95 psi and some
are even rated to 160 psi. 18 mm Conti GP's are rated
to 150 psi.

So it is pretty hard to blow off a modern tire. The air
flow really drops off as you approach the tank pressure.

Of course, if you have a mountain bike you still have to beware.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Super bike:un-super wheels
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:02:43 GMT

Tom Kunich writes:
.  .  .
>And I weight 195 naked.

Would it be impolite to ask what you would weigh with your keyboard
fingers removed?

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Accident on a Bike/Ped P
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:13:02 -0500

 On 08-11-92 david holliday wrote to All... 
 
 dh> Last Wednesday, on our way out of town for our training ride  
 dh> (race :-), our group was using a bike path. We had a fairly  
 dh> large group, perhaps 25-30 riders. The bike path that we use  
 ....

 dh> lady on the ground bleeding profusely from her mouth/face (she did have 
 
 Just another good example of why you should reserve "bike paths" for 
 dogs and inexperienced riders. I would never try to take a group of 
 25-30 riders down a bike path. It just isn't safe. There's no room 
 to maneuver. Public highways are much safer. 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.36 * Repeal the law of gravity now! 

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cateye Vectra CC-7000 -- average speed?
Summary: vectra antics in english as well as metric
Keywords: vectra, bugs, average speed
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:17:27 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <1992Aug14.115350.10029@alf.uib.no> paulo@ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.090435.7117@prl.philips.nl> ebrandsm@prl.philips.nl (Ewout Brandsma) writes:
>[Strange average speed behaviour]
>>Anyone experienced similar problems, or has an idea what causes them?
>
>Yes I've noticed it too, as well as a friend of mine. As far as I can
>see, the strange behaviour starts after about 2 hrs 46 minutes (or
>about ten thousand seconds)  . . . 
>Just a thought: I suddenly noticed from the address that you're a European,
>and presumably use metric units. Does anyone know if this problem appears
>when measuring in miles as well?

I have also noticed the problem (kind of minor IMHO).
I use the English mode.

I have no other complaints with the Vectra, however.  It has 
served me well through several crashes, some rain, one hail storm,
and several drops on the floor.

Never had any contact, pickup, or mounting problems.  Occasionally
I have turned it off inadvertently while descending with my 
chest over the handlebar stem.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest