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In article <Pine.3.03.9301011415.B23521-a100000@Alice-Thurman.tenet.edu> Carmen
Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU> writes:
>We are seeking information on the descendents of these two people (the
>immediate two generations). Letters in our possesion establish that a lady
>named Payne was a niece or great niece to Dolly Madison.

There are Payne genealogies extant; check Melvyl.  There are also
several books on Virginia genealogy that should include the Paynes.  I
think one of them is called _First Families of Virginia_; it is in the
Clayton Library in Houston, among other places.

A generation or so after Dolley Madison (note the 'e' in Dolley),
there was a notable bishop (I think Methodist, but maybe Anglican)
named Payne.  One of my collateral relatives married his brother.
_The Genealogy of the Beale Family 1399-1956_ by Frances Beal Smith
Hodges (1956), p. 64: "Lucy [Lucinda P.] McCarty md Dr. R.A. Payne,
brother to Bishop Payne."  I don't have any more info on the Paynes,
but if you can find the Hodges book, it might.  It too is at Clayton
Library.
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Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BILLINGTON,
BOBO, BRAKE, BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN),
EVERENDEN (EVERDEN, EVENDEN, EVERNDON), FERREE (FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE,
FIERE), GRIFFIN, HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY, LEATHERWOOD, LEE,
LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MURFIN, MUSGROVE, PILGRIM (PILGRAM),
POPE, SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD,
WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOODRUFF, YERBY.




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Subject:      Mulatto
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Would some kind soul please send me the postings on the subject of
mulattos? A friend wanted the information and I deleted them.

Thanks

Mike Holland holland@cx3com.enet.dec.com
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Subject:      Issac Shelby
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I asked earlier for insights concerning Shelby Atkins.  I meant to say, should
have said, *Governor Isaac Shelby*.
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Subject:      Whalen family

I am looking for information on the Whalen family that lived (and possibly
still lives) in and near Frankfort, New York. My great-grandfather, Thomas
Henry Whalen, was born there on Feb. 19, 1884 and moved to Minnesota while a
young man. His father's name was Michael Whalen and his mother's Margaret
Finnerty. His paternal grandmother's name was Bridget Whalen, and I believe it
is she that came over from Ireland (she died ca. 1919). Any information anyone
might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Daniel H. Karvonen
d-karv@vm1.spcs.umn.edu
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             **ROACH** **MOLAN** **FINNERTY** **WHALEN** **PIOLAHTI**
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From:         Brian Madsen <bmadsen@VORTECH.COM>
Subject:      Re: CD/ROM,DOS/MAC, FHC
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              "MCBRAYER%SMC.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU" at Jan 5, 93 08:56:00 am

MCBRAYER%SMC.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU writes:
>
> As was mentioned in a reply, it depends on the FHC as to what type of disk
> you'll need to bring.  Do as was suggested and call first and find out.  If
> their machine takes 3.5" disks, you're in business.  If not, you'll have to
 use
> a 5.25", then find another machine to transfer the info to a 3.5", as I'm sure
> your MAC only takes 3.5".  And yes, I believe you'll need to have your disk(s)
> formatted beforehand.
>

Um, just for the record, has anybody ever been to a FHC that DOESN'T
have a 3.5 inch drive?

It was my understanding that all FHC's which provide FamilySearch do
so on an IBM PS/2 -- not a compatible, not an AT, but a genuine IBM.
I understood that this was official LDS Church policy with regard to
the use of PC's in FHC's.

It was also my understanding that all IBM PS/2's have 3.5 inch drives
by default, and that you have to go to special lengths to get any other
sized floppy drive on a PS/2.

If anyone knows whether any of these statements are not true, would
you please bring them to my attention?  I'm a volunteer at my local
FHC, and this is what I've been telling people.  I'd like to be sure
I'm not steering people wrong.

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From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)
Subject: Re: England Q: recording shire
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:41:26 GMT
Organization: University of South Africa

In article <ROOTS-L%93010404081444@VM1.NODAK.EDU> MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK> writes:
>Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:04:00 LCL
>
>There are many counties in the UK with the name ending in shire, but not
>all counties are the same.
>e.g.:-  Yorkshire  Derbyshire.  A county without a shire ending would be
>Avon for instance.

Before 1974 Durham was the only English county that was not a shire.

Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
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Thank you, Cliff, I had been wondering who to send the files to, but hadn't
taken the time to find out...


I asked Cliff:
>>  Can you tell me the procedures for adding files to the ROOTS-L archives?

And he answered.  In his answer he said:
> The only restriction is, size of the file 65k or smaller, and needs to
> as an ASCII file.

Most of my computer experience is by "seat-of-the-pants" so sometimes, I
run into questions the "help" screens don't answer... :-(

The files are in ASCII, so that's no problem, but how big are they? I
figured out on our VAX/VMS system that to determine the file size I
need to enter the command:

dir filename.ext/size

However, it comes back with "so many" blocks... The /full switch gives
a variable field length of 73... Do I figure the block size x 73 to
get an estimate of the bytes? Can anyone tell me if 25, 32, or 33
blocks is more or less 65K?

Thanks in advance!

Melodie Sanders         Internet: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU
University of Tulsa (Okla.)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
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Subject: Re: SWATEK or SWIATEK family lines
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:53:28 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan12.173019.15076@mlb.semi.harris.com> kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com writes:
>Is anyone else researching any of the SWATEK or SWIATEK family lines?
>
Melvyl says.... Looking through an authors list can sometimes suggest
a productive coald call...


2.
Author: Swiatek, Anthony.
Title:  Encyclopedia of United States silver & gold commemorative coins
1892-1954 / Anthony Swiatek and Walter Breen. New York : Arco
Pub./F.C.I. Press, c1981.
Description:    xxi, 362 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.
Bibliography: p. 355.

Subjects:       Commemorative coins -- United States -- Dictionaries.

Other entries: Breen, Walter H. joint author.

Call numbers:   UCD     Main LibCJ1839 .S9 Hum/SS Ref
CSL     Main LibCJ1839 .S9 Reference Center

1. DISSERTATION
Author: Swetek, Barbara Nelle.
Title:  A history of the California Association for Health, Physical
Education and Recreation, 1930-1972. [Eugene, Ore., 1974]
Description:    2 sheets. 10.5 x 14.8 cm.

Notes:  Microfiche (negative) of typescript.
Collation of the original: 136  .
Thesis (M.A.)--California State University, Long Beach, 1973.
Bibliography:   . 77-89.

Subjects:       California Association for Health, Physical Education and
Recreation.

Call numbers:   UCLA    Biomed  GV 203 C3S975

Good searching!

Tom
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Subject:      Mullins in Kentucky

Dear Rooters,
     I'm doing some genealogy research on the MULLINS family.
Who was William Henry (Patrick) Mullins?  Who were his parents?
Where did they come from?  I'm looking for any information you
might have on this character and his ancestors.
     William Henry (Patrick) Mullins married Janette (family
name?).  William Henry and Janette Mullins were still living in
Boone County, Kentucky in 1850.
     William Henry and Janette Mullins's son, John T. Mullins,
was born on October 10, 1848 in Boone County, Kentucky.  John T.
Mullins married Elizabeth Taylor in 1872 in Kentucky.  John T.
and Elizabeth Mullins were still living in Kentucky in 1880.
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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: English counties etc. 
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In article <288.9301051119@prsun11k.prl.philips.co.uk> lloyd@PRL.PHILIPS.CO.UK writes:

> There has been quite a lot of discussion about English county names,
> and am happy to prepare a file for GENEALOG which lists the various
> counties.

This is a very laudable effort.

>  I will try to include:
> 
> - Full county name.

Including the name county town would be helpful as well. Given that the
Record Office is (usually) close to county hall.

> - Recognised abbreviations.
> - Chapman County Codes.

Isn't there a British Standard for these codes now, which ought to be used
in preference to an ad-hoc list? There was some discussion about it here
last year.

> - Whether pre- or post- 1974.

There have been other Boundary Commissions. The effects of these others has
not been so marked but I recall that some towns were "moved" from one
county to another by these other quangos. A definitive list of such
movements would be very helpful.

Despite the above comments you ARE to be thanked for putting all this
information into one list.

Regards, Trevor.

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From: barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
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Subject: BK5 nicknames
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:52:16 GMT
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I've been using the Ref: field in Brother's Keeper for nickname
information when available.  Anyone have suggestions on where I
should properly put this info?

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From: Robert Cox <rcox@convex.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Eponymous names
Originator: rcox@mozart.convex.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:22:50 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

As an example, my great-grandfather was named Commodore Perry Cox, 
presumably after Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry, who won the Battle of
Lake Erie during the War of 1812.  Incidently, my great-grandfather 
was born 10 February 1842.  Another Cox born in Texas, a descendant 
of John Jones Cox, was called Doc Windom Cox.  In both cases the titles
of these individuals became their first name.  I thought this was unusual
until I found another Commodore Perry Something in the IGI. 

					-- Robert Cox 
					   son of Robert Leroy Cox 
					   son of William Hare Cox 
				 	   son of Commodore Perry Cox 
					   son of (answer goes here!) 

From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
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Subject: Martin Luther and Famous Ancestors
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 17:24:14

I just noticed that you are not in Texas. Sorry that I did not notice that sooner.  However, my general advice should still be of use.  If your local Lutheran pastor cannot give you a name at a Lutheran College that is within your area, let me know and I will find you the closest with someone who can set you on the right course.

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From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      Re: Adding files to ROOTS-L archives
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Melodie and ALL:

Reference part of this message:
> From: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU (MELODIE SANDERS)
>
> Can you tell me the procedures for adding files to the ROOTS-L archives?

OK, but first of all, anything on any subject that anyone has ever
sent on ROOTS-L is still available, and you may use search procedures
to find any information required.

About 2 years ago, I start the GENEALOG area, and it is for special
TEXT files which others might want to read.

> I checked the "cherokee" file in the archives, and felt it did not really
> give enough information to refer the discussion group members to. I wrote
> the file with free distribution in mind, and certainly would like to have
> it kept in someone else's directory! :-)
>
> Are you the one I contact? If not whom?

Yes, I am the one, and you may send anything direct to me.

> And more important, is this the type of files the ROOTS-L archives
> are meant to keep?

The kind of files we want will depend on the group, but I have been
looking for files which would be of interest to several in the group.

> If needed, I could probably (groan) edit the files to a smaller size.
> I also can (much more easily) combine them into one larger file.

The only restriction is, size of the file 65k or smaller, and needs to
as an ASCII file.

Hope this helps, and will probably tell lots of the new readers about
the files.  There are 100's of files available now.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.  GENEALOG has more
than 175 files, all of which are available to any user via regular mail.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)

get genealog helpfile    Helpfile for ROOTS-L Users

Good luck...cliff
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Is there a good reason for this subject line to still be used?  Just
wondering if I'm missing something by not reading the accompanying
messages fully. :-)

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
From: pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson)
Subject: Re: Military records of the Austro-Hungarian empire
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:56:56 GMT

brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj) writes:

>   Has anyone had experience in researching names in the military archives
>of the Austro-Hungarian empire?  Do they still exist?  I'm interested in
>their records for the last two centuries.  I guess they would be in Vienna.
>Any information would be appreciated - email welcome.  Thank you!


Could you post any information you receive on this,
as I would be very interested as well?

Thanks,

N. Shirlene Pearson
pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu

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From: eer@world.std.com (Eugene E Rosen)
Subject: Grimmett/W.VA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:22:07 GMT

Im looking for the address and/or tel. no of Jack Grimmett son 
of Quila and Odie Grimmett in Hinton, W. Virginia (Somers County)   
Thanks so much Please e-mail.

gene rosen

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From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
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Subject: Re: Tiny Tafels
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:06:27 GMT
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 -=> Quoting Jean L. Cooper to All <=-

 JLC> I'm using PAF 2.2 on an IBM clone.  PAF will make an Ahnentafel
 JLC> for me, but how do I get it to make a Tiny Tafel?

There is a utility called GED2TT which will convert gedcom files to
a tiny tafel format. But in your case you are more than halfway there.
A tiny tafel is based on the ahnentafel. So if you have a printed
ahnentafel you can use any wordprocessor and by referring to
the ahnentafel you have, create a tiny tafel. Shouldn't take more
than 15 mins max. A tiny tafel is not complex at all.




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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Counting Chromosomes
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:04:06 GMT

In article <01GTDXM021500006M5@CC.OWU.EDU> JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU writes:
>                                           (2) if the individual is a
>male, the Y chromosome as been inherited, probably fairly well intact,
>with apparently little change, from the paternal side, in a straight
>line on the paternal side, i.e., father, grandfather, g grandfather, etc.

I didn't think of that! The *same* Y chromosome passed along the male line
back to Homo habilis... amazing! Yeah, I know, there are mutations and all
that along the way to account for. Not to mention the gas man, etc. :-)

>The reason that one cannot say with certainty that one inherits a specific
>number of chromosomes from each grandparent is that in the process of
>formation of gametes, homologous chromosomes often exchange genetic
>information.  For example one specific chromosome (of a pair) that was
>inherited from the mother may have a portion for the maternal grandmother,
>and the remainder from the maternal grandfather.

Is this what's called genetic recombination? Does this happen every time
so that a given chromosome inherited from a parent will always be a
mixture of genes from the grandparents' chromosomes? I can see that if this
is the case, then thinking in terms of chromosomes is not the right way
to go, but one should consider the -- what is it, hundreds of thousands --
of genes, in which case it's likely one has some genetic information in
common with all ancestors in generations quite far back.

Also, I assume that based on your statement about the Y chromosome
being inherited in males with "apparently little change" that the
sex chromosomes do not participate in the exchange mechanism?

Thanks for your reply.

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