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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:03:44 -0400 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New PUBLIC ENEMY album
	<1992Aug30.205402.8698@morrow.stanford.edu>

rebel@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Piou) writes

> 
>In article <15784.2AA0ABED@zeus.ieee.org>
Jeffrey.Polachek@f408.n107.z1.ieee.or
>g (Jeffrey Polachek) writes:
>>    Flavor Flav appeared on "MTV News" and said about the title, "Every
>>group has greatest hits...NO ONE has greatest misses." He also stated
>>that Chuck D had talked him into voting in the upcoming election.
> 
>	Actually, Devo ("alternative"/mod rock band) came out with both
>a greatest hits and a greatest misses album at the same time.
> 
>	But - will this album be remixes of non-album cuts, or stuff available
>on their first four albums, or what?
					ep

I caught MTV news also, and the name of the song was "Hazy Shade of
Criminal," as in the hazy shades of Tyson, King, and others'
innocence/guilt who were played by the government.  MTV filmed PE
shooting the video, so the song was playing in the background, and it is
incredibly funky.  If anyone heard "Get off my Back" from the Mo' Money
soundtrack, it's somewhat similar, with keyboards and phat chorus lines.
 I don't think that this next album will be remixes.  I would say that
it'll be comprised of unreleased tracks, and possibly some newer tracks
recorded after Apocalypse.

An unrelated question:  I was just listening to an R&B station, and I
heard a crappy disco-sounding track that was just released, and Dres
from the Sheep was rapping over it.  As I was listening, I almost felt
embarassed for Dres.  If anyone else knows anything about it, let me
know.  I have no idea what the name of the song is, but I can only
compare it to LL's dumb effort on Keith Sweat's "Why Me, Baby," although
it's not slow like that.

OK, I'm as good as gone,

-Mc

September 1..........New Grand Puba..........September 1........New Grand Puba
From: cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: DAS EFX
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:20:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <13836@chalmers.se> d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) writes:
>jeff.beaty@rose.com (jeff beaty) writes:
>
>
>>Date Entered: 08-31-92 03:17
>>Newsgroups: alt.rap
>>From: jeff.beaty@rose.com (Jeff Beaty)
>>Subject: UN: DAS EFX
>
><<ZAPP>>
>>Or am I way off here?  They are on a Time Warner label so they are not 
>>being forced to censor it...unless of course the cops sent some death 
>>threats.  I just don't get why they wrote lyrics with swearing when 
>>it would not appear on the album?!?
>
>As a matter of Fact the EPMD LP is cencored to.
>Perhaps there is a connection, or is there an unsencored EPMD LP out?
>I never saw Das EFX on Vinyl so I never got it.
>But EPMD is on Def Jam /RAL etc. stuff.
>Anyway EPMD produced Das EFX.
>Perhap it's theif fault.
>As another matter of fact the whole track They Want EFX is a bite of a
>Mc Mello track with a title I dont recall.
>
>
>>Later.
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>Contact me about "Droppin Knowlede"/"Shut em Down" 12"!!!!      DOL-EP-1
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	EPMD didn't want to put curses on their album so they can get on
radio. (Crossing you over)

	Das EFX is under EPMD and that is why they did it too.
			

							Later,

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From: dpawson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Pawson)
Subject: Re: Playing Catch-up
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:08:36 GMT

Actually, after catching some video the other night and picking up on a beat in
a King Tech mix, I've been looking for this Brand New Heavies album.  The bass
player's real, and the drummer's real.  Any other opinions?  Is it worth the
money?
				In the immortal words of Das EFX,
					Word to Archie Bunker,
							Dave
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:37:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Where Are YOU???? misha's friends
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap


 'SUp?

 Yo Rog, whats with you man??, get out of the wrong side this morning did you
 even though i'm white, i still somehow find that remark a insult....if your
 gonna talk like this in future....don't bother.

 Peace Off.!
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C Maggio)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: The new EPMD album
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug31.134537.29174@alf.uib.no>, ip234@brems.ii.uib.no (i110 konto nr.134) writes...
>I recently bought the new EPMD album, Business Never Personal on CD. It contains
>11 tracks, but according to the review in Source mag there should be 12 tracks.
>Is there a bonus track on the LP or casette, did I get som European edition,
>or was it just a typo in Source ?   
i don't know if you got a different version, but theres a jam on the back
of the crossover 12" called 'brothers from brentwood l.i.' could be that one
they're talkin about, but it's not on my version of the album either.
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: New PUBLIC ENEMY album
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:54:01 GMT


     It's 6 NEW songs and 6 remixes of older songs.           K!z!K
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:53:16 GMT
Subject: Flash X & mail...
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap


 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!

 YO! MC Flash X, i down with ya but yo gotta slow down Gee...i come back
 after a long weekend and i find approx 10 messages just from you!, are
 you trying to take over this whole group or what??, an we keep this
 newsgroup for what it's sposed' to be for .....?, just chill out bro'
 before you dun have a coronary!

 No flames neccesary <flame proof shield in hand!>, positive critisism 
 welcome....

 .Sig under construction.
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C    )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep3.051459.5272@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, toban@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jeff Zuk) writes...
>woodstck@hal.com (Nathan Hess) writes:
>: I want to buy the ten best Rap CDs of the 90's, to begin a musical
>: exploration.  Send me your top ten list of must-have rap CDs.  I'll post
>: a summary of the responses I get.
>: 
>: T'anks,
>: --woodstock
>: -- 
>: "It doesn't impress the girls, of course, but there's no sense
>: impressing them and then getting killed, my dad used to say..."  - Hobbes
>: 
> 
>Good question and heres my so-so answer.
> 
>In no particular order:
>	1. Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
>	2. Boogie Down Productions - Sex and Violence
>A	3. De La Soul - De La Soul is Dead
>	4. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
>	5. Ice-T - Original Gangsta
>	6. Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
>	7. Del tha Funkee Homosapien - I wish my Brother George was Here
>	8. Dream Warriors - And the Legacy Begins...
>	9. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
>	10. Massive Attack - Blue Lines (not really rap, but huge beats.)
>Hope this helps. Dont buy em all at once.
this isnt a dis, but it seems like every time these questions get asked, we
always answer with the newest stuff out, its like we forget that to understand 
hip hop music it takes a little bit of goin back to some of the roots.
i mean, most pop people cant really even comprehend that HAMMER doesn't rap.

we should try to get people just gettin into hip hop to listen to at least
two or three older jams, like PLANET ROCK(since you can find it), or even
the old new school, like BDP CRIMINAL MINDED, or EPMD STRICTLY BUSINESS, or
PUBIC ENEMY YO! BUM RUSH THE SHOW and IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS.
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:48:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Das Efx is on EPMD!!!
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap


 Word up, word up.....

 Das Efx are diggy dope, the new EPMD album rules at the moment in my view,
 but House of Pain isn't far behind, anyone out there got any info on these..

 (All Lp's) Mc Serch, Chubb Rock & Positive K ( <- Skills to pay da bills? )

 Peace to the crew - 'M', DaveP, Fedde and the funkay scots GavinM.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 Run, Run, Run, your time is done son, move out for the well hung young one
 - Mixalot

 I'm back in effect hows that, i'm not Teddy Riley but i'm swinging like a
 newjack - EPMD

 Peace from Grim G, a.k.a GUMBY.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
From: juoncatherin@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Do you hate Vanilla Ice?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:30:09 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Attention to all fans of rap and hip-hop! (from MC Flash X)

Are you tired of seeing fake bullshit like Marky Mark get on the radio, 
when diggedy deserving Das EFX can't crack the top ten?  Do you wish that 
Icy Blu could fall down a hole and disappear?  And does the fact the 
Vanilla Ice sold 8 millions records make you want to puke your guts out?

Do something about it!  Join C.O.R.E.  C.O.R.E stands for Committee of Rap 
Excellence.  Our goal is, to put it simply, keep all of the wack bullshit 
out.  Weekly (or as often as possible) there will be a newsletter put out 
by C.O.R.E., which will be called HardC.O.R.E.  Contributions by members of 
C.O.R.E. and others are welcome.  HardC.O.R.E. will feature sections like

Flame your least favorite fake rappeer
Reviews of the latest tapes and CD's (with differing viewpoints encouraged)
Ways to keeep fake bullshit out
Freedom of Speech updates

Etc., et cetera.  If you have your own ideas, or if you wish to join
C.O.R.E., you can reach me in one of two ways:

A.  Post me a message on ALT.RAP
B.  Mail messages to <JUONCATHERIN>

Remember, as KRS-1 said, without organization there'd be no black nation.  
Let's organize and unite, and together we can put an end to this plague on 
hip-hop.  Peace!
From: v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (William E Neuburger)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: The new EPMD album
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug31.134537.29174@alf.uib.no>, ip234@brems.ii.uib.no (i110 konto nr.134) writes...
>I recently bought the new EPMD album, Business Never Personal on CD. It contains
>11 tracks, but according to the review in Source mag there should be 12 tracks.
>Is there a bonus track on the LP or casette, did I get som European edition,
>or was it just a typo in Source ?   


My CD version of the album has 11 tracks, and so does my friends.  

Audi 4999,
William
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:44:03 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: NEW LP's this year


In article <BtJuv2.AAK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
says:
>        Some big albums I've heard of comin out later this year include:
>
>                THE LENCHMOB--"GUERRILLAS IN THE MIST"  --NOVEMBER
>                ICE CUBE    --????????????????????????  --DECEMBER
>                NWA         --????????????????????????  --DECEMBER
>                ICE-T (rap) --"HOME INVASION"           --NOVEMBER
>                CHUBB ROCK  --????????????????????????  --OCTOBER
>                EAZY-E      --"TEMPORARY INSANITY"      --SEPTEMBER
>                MC REN      --????????????????????????  --OCTOBER
>        Anybody know about others?
>                                                        Peace,
>                                                                Dark Knight

here's a few more (from rec.music.info):

          GRAND PUBA          --"REEL TO REEL"         --SEPTEMBER 1st

          FULL FORCE          --"DON'T STOP!"          --SEPTEMBER 8th

          MARKY MARK (and the
                 funky bunch) --"YOU GOTTA BELIEVE"    --SEPTEMBER 15th

          PARIS            --"SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY" --SEPTEMBER ??th

          SALT 'N' PEPA       --"VERY NECESSARY"       --OCTOBER   6th

          BELL BIV DeVOE      -- ??????????????        --OCTOBER   ??th

p.s. DON'T flame me about the inclusion of Marky Mark and BBD in this newsgroup

     Some people may be interested in the Marky Mark (although I can't see why)
          and BBD release.

Again, don't quote me on these dates or albums - I got this off of
         rec.music.info

peace.
From: U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: DAS EFX, House of Pain
Date: 24 Aug 92 17:14:22 GMT
 <mlbarrow-220892040834@machelp.mit.edu>
Distribution: alt.rap
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Most definitely pick up the House of Pain and DAS EFX... both of those albums
are diggity-diggity dope... My favorite of the two is House... not to take any
thing from DAS EFX, though... As far as that "Arrester(?)", is that Arrested
Development that you mean?... Anyway, DAS and House of Pain both come highly
recommended... While I'm here, anybody have any word on the Kool G Rap album?
Last I heard from a SOURCE person was that it was delayed (AGAIN!!!) but no
release date has been set.
Peace from Chi-Town...
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:39:41 GMT

In <BtzGBK.JvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:

>	Gee, it seems there's enough of we transplanted Michiganders (or is it
>Michiganians) in Illinois that we could all get together in Chicago to have
>dinner and such.  Sort of a Michi-dinner.

>Ray Swartz

Brilliant idea!  Count me in!

colette
--
Colette D. Marine             |cdm@nwu.edu
Inst.for the Learning Sciences|or
Northwestern University       |marine@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
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    Bring chicken wire -- the marmots have gone beserk!
From: slarsen@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:09:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Sep3.032906.22069@zip.eecs.umich.edu> gellasch@emunix.emich.edu (Chris Gellasch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.024838.21375@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>>
>>It seems that ex-Michiganders dominate this group. And well we should.
>>After all, michigan bounds 4 of the 5 great lakes. I live in Ohio now, which,
>>granted, is a great lakes state, but it ain't the same. Flat. No water.
>>More hot, less snow. Where I grew up (Muskegon county), there were 9 
>>state or municipal parks with lakefront beach.  A small pond or a dingy
>>river is an exciting cite in central ohio.
>
>Indiana isn't much of a great lake state either (only that small part of
>Lake Michigan. 

Unless you grew up in Michigan City!  Lake Michigan, top-notch high 
school basketball, stones throw from the Indiana Dunes and Michigan's
Warren Dunes.  And New Buffalo and those Redamak's burgers.

But, living in South Bend makes me realize how much I miss Lake 
Michigan.

Sue Larsen
slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jsuchosk@mtu.edu (Jon-Paul Suchoski)
Subject: Re: Changing colors in Michigan
Organization: Isotope Geochemistry Division, Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:20:41 GMT

In article <chiquita.714705189@camelot>, chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
> In <1992Aug24.194429.12856@aa.cad.slb.com> brushabe@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Al Brushaber) writes:
> 
> >Looking for a status update for fall colors. Any reports?
> 
> Up in the UP they are almost fully changed...
> Northern to Mid Michigan are halfway...
> Southern Michigan in places...
> North of West Branch is the best place to see them!
> Steph
> 

Sorry to say that you're wrong, but you're wong.  The colors in
the UP are *not* fully changed (at least up the Keweenaw).  I'm
looking out my window right now, here's the colors that I see:
Green, light green,  some yellowing.  

The colors are starting, but don't come up now, wait a while.


-- 
Jon-Paul Suchoski  
Michigan Tech.

"I'm in the heart of the Keweenaw, and you're not."

jsuchosk@mtu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: spencer@ais.org (Spencer PriceNash)
Subject: Re: Changing colors in Michigan
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:31:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.212041.13422@mtu.edu> jsuchosk@mtu.edu (Jon-Paul Suchoski) writes:
>In article <chiquita.714705189@camelot>, chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
>> In <1992Aug24.194429.12856@aa.cad.slb.com> brushabe@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Al Brushaber) writes:
>> 
>> >Looking for a status update for fall colors. Any reports?
>> 
>> Up in the UP they are almost fully changed...
>> Northern to Mid Michigan are halfway...
>> Southern Michigan in places...
>> North of West Branch is the best place to see them!
>> Steph
>> 
>
>Sorry to say that you're wrong, but you're wong.  The colors in
>the UP are *not* fully changed (at least up the Keweenaw).  I'm
>looking out my window right now, here's the colors that I see:
>Green, light green,  some yellowing.  

He's right.  I was there a few days ago, for a few days, bopping
around in Houghton and at Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, and I
didn't see much color change at all.  Going as far as Houghton pretty
much covers the U.P., too.


>The colors are starting, but don't come up now, wait a while.

Yeah.  When I was there, it was in the eighties and very humid.  When
I returned to Ann Arbor, it was the same.


>-- 
>Jon-Paul Suchoski  
>Michigan Tech.
>
>"I'm in the heart of the Keweenaw, and you're not."

That's fine right now, but when that dandruff they call 'snow' starts
coming down, I'll be just as happy to be away from there.


>jsuchosk@mtu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: gellasch@emunix.emich.edu (Chris Gellasch)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.130900.14494@news.nd.edu> slarsen@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.032906.22069@zip.eecs.umich.edu> gellasch@emunix.emich.edu (Chris Gellasch) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.024838.21375@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>>>
>>>It seems that ex-Michiganders dominate this group. And well we should.
>>>After all, michigan bounds 4 of the 5 great lakes. I live in Ohio now, which,
>>>granted, is a great lakes state, but it ain't the same. Flat. No water.
>>>More hot, less snow. Where I grew up (Muskegon county), there were 9 
>>>state or municipal parks with lakefront beach.  A small pond or a dingy
>>>river is an exciting cite in central ohio.
>>
>>Indiana isn't much of a great lake state either (only that small part of
>>Lake Michigan. 
>
>Unless you grew up in Michigan City!  Lake Michigan, top-notch high 
>school basketball, stones throw from the Indiana Dunes and Michigan's
>Warren Dunes.  And New Buffalo and those Redamak's burgers.
>
>But, living in South Bend makes me realize how much I miss Lake 
>Michigan.
>
>Sue Larsen
>slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu


Bloomington is a long way from Lake Michigan (or any other decent size
lake).  I'll just have to find some redeeming qualities about Indiana.

I'm heading back to the Ypsi/Ann Arbor area this weekend to see some
friends, that will be a pleasant change.


-- 
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Chris Gellasch                                        gellasch@emunix.emich.edu
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From: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Michiganders
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:10:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Chuck Ten Brink posts

>In the last flurry of nostalgic posts, I noticed that most of us
>refer to ourselves as Michiganders.  I seem to recall that in the
>recent past one of our governors (Blanchard?) tried to get people to
>use the term "Michiganian" (insert favorite expression of distaste
>here.)  Has that died out, and are we now secure in our ancestral
>name?

Dinch'y'ever notice that if there is anything Professional Admini-
strators cannot stand, it is self-referential humor?  References to my
ancient and august employer as "Rotgut" never fail to induce choler in
anybody with an administrative title.  "Michigander" is the same kind
of thing & suggests that we are not really Taking Things Seriously.
Other people who went to UM may recall that Michigras somehow gets
transmuted into Michigas, phonetically much the same as "craziness" in
Yiddish.  Can't have that!

BTW, the original name of that institution was the "Catholepistemiad,
or University of Michigania."  "Michigania" already didn't sell in
1817; by the time that "Laudes atque carmina ..." was composed, the
classicized name had become Michiganensis (so the song ends "Uni-
versitas Michiganensium," thus recognizing the influence of the UP).
No wonder "Michiganian" sounds silly.  We could call ourselves Michi-
ganensians ... has somebody used that already?

Bertram Walsh  Mathematics Dep't  Rutgers University New Brunswick NJ 08903
From: chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:08:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <zeus.715543851@cs1.bradley.edu> zeus@cs1.bradley.edu (Alex Lecea) writes:

>In <3SEP199209545667@apsicc.aps.edu> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:

>How long has it been since you've been there?  I was just there this
>past summer (first time in a few years), and boy, has it grown!!  
>Not all nessarily for the better, it's more touristy....

A lot of people say touristy is better, and I know that is what
Michigan, well that area anyway, well ok, everything north of
Bay City pretty much, thrives on, but just from living in Standish and
spending my summers in East Tawas, tourists are messy, they cause
trouble, and they get away with practically anything because they are
tourists and we need the tourism.
Steph
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes