HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: echang@engin.umich.edu
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:38:34 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


> 
> I just want to make the points more clear.
> Gemany and Korea had/have similar sitaution as Mainland and Taiwan, but they
> want to be united.

Not quite:
	a) Germany and Korea were devided by external superpowers;
   	   but, Taiwan was given to Japan by her China government.
	b) The size differeces between Taiwan and China is far from
	   that between two Koreas.
	c) Taiwan's future should be based on the decision of Taiwan's 
	   people. The unification of two Germanys or two Koreas were/are
	   based on their decisions and has nothing to do with Taiwan.
	   
> Do you think people in Taiwan should have some kind of responsibility
> towards the development of China?

	I think people in Taiwan would like to see a bright future of China,
and want to help, but it IS Mainlanders' (people who live in China)
resposibility to develop China.  It is an honorary mission for those who
were born and educated in China to build a modern China.  I believe they
are capable of doing that and they will.  

> Do you think the present movement in Taiwan for independence is related
> more to the anti-government or more to a need for independence?

	My personal opinion is more to a need for independence.

> Will it be any immediately benefit for Taiwan for claiming independence?

Yes.	  
	1) Should China invade Taiwan, any country can help
	   Taiwan without being intimidated by the accusation of interposing 		           internal affair of China.
	   (Well it is not an immediate benefit, but it is very important!)
	2) Many countries can develop diplomatic relationship with Taiwan.
	   It is essentially more effective and practical to protect your 		           citizens and assets in a country with formal diplomatic relation. 
	3) Taiwan can joint the international society under her own name;
	   Her citizens' passports don't have to bear the name Republic of 
           China, which they don't represent.	          

> Raymond Kwok


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:37:57 GMT

In article 62131@cc.usu.edu, ma@cc.usu.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.193303.4159@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>> 
>>    ** That is a very interesting comparison though, it does not make Chairman
>> Mao God at all. Neither Mao's birthdate (quite a coincidence) or his legacy
>> (good or bad?) makes him God.  It is our stupidity and blind worship that
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is true for any worship.
>

But in Mao's case, people are forced to do it!

Again as I mention in my previous post: no evil spirits can be more evil than Mao
himself.  It is ironic to see people using Mao's portraits to chase away bad luck.


David W.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Character problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:50:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

This should be easier than math problem.  Jzy originally posted the
problem in rec.games.go.  I am proud of myself that I found 6 answers,
one more than jzy asked for:) Here is goes:

Construct a Chinese character with one proper stroke from the following:

   -----------

    +-------+
    |       |
    +-------+

So far, 6 answers...

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:02:48 GMT

From article <1992Dec12.033631.6712@athena.mit.edu>, by joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang):
> In article <1992Dec10.221810.12723@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>Division to me is not a bad idea. I would like to see that happens
>>someday. My guess is it's a big plus to Chinese (Hwa Ren). 
> 
> Why do you think it's a good thing?  History shows that when China is
> divided, it is vunerable to invasions and civil unrest.  The periods
> in which China has been divided have been the worst in its history.
> There is a reason why the desire for "unity" is strong among Chinese,
> and that reason is that unified Chinese government, despite all of
> their problems, have historically worked better than divided Chinese
> governments.
> 
> You might think that dividing China is good because it gets rid of one
> oppressive government (the PRC).  Perhaps it would get rid of one
> oppressive government, but it would be at the cost of generating
> twenty or more oppressive governments.  What's more, all those
> governments will be fighting each other.
> 
> It is perhaps true that the People's Republic of China is overly
> centralized, but dividing the PRC up into a lot of sovereign states
> seems to be too much decentralization.
> 
> I'm interested in finding out why you disagree.
> 

To me, history does not prove that division is bad to China. China
has never gone this far toward an industrial country before. China
has never had 1 billion people before. People in China have never
had intellectual level this high before. I don't expect people in
China will do what history tells them the best.

My argument is simple. I think one government just cannot serve billion
people too well. The population, the complexity are just too big to
handle properly.


Heng-Hsin

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32888 soc.culture.hongkong:16385 talk.politics.china:3467
From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:25:12 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:




>In the following, I intend to analyse the common interest
>between China and Hong Kong in the following areas: history,
>geography, economy, politics.

>1. History.

>Before 1950, the economy of Hong Kong was poor and the living
>... <Bullshit delete>

  Save your effort, you don't even know the history and I am not going
to teach you. "Mo(No) Liao(mateiral) Ban(pretend) DoiBiu(representative)"

>2. Geography.
>...<Typical nosense deleted>

>3. Economy
>...<Shit deleted>

>4. The property industry collapes. 
>...(sorry, I run out of vocabulary to describe this)

>J Chen
>Department of Chemistry
>University of Michigan

  I won't call Jian Chen dog, becuase I don't want to humiliate dog. In
fact, if I call something Jian Chen, it will the most insulting word
ever used to insult that object. Anyway, I don't expact Jian Chen to
read this since that jerk is unreasonable. But for those reasonable
people who don't know HK that much, sincerly I want to tell you, most
of the information about HK in the mainland Chinese propagada are not
true. They are either partly true or all lies. If any of you really
want to know about how HK has developed, it will be a long story, but,
I guess, I can spend sometime to compile those materials.

  When I was a sophomore, I worked on a project about studying HK's
development and we (my collegue and I) spends six month's for data
collecting and research, after all, Jian Chen's article about HK is
only his ignorance and his imagination.

  The way I see J Chen is just the way I see the CG, just ignore it.

  steve
--
stevew@helios.unl.edu  |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in
                       |=|   \    /   |=| the sky...   Smoke on the water.
stevew@hoss.unl.edu    |=|     \/     |=|     (36 bars guitar solo)
		      Deep purple, the best
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:34:31 GMT

In article 10839@ee.rochester.edu, yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>This problem I saw in Reader's Digest of China.
>This happened in a show. There are three doors, behind two of them are two
>goats, and behind the remaining door is a car. Of course you want to land
>on the car. Now the host asks you which door you want to have open, let's
>say you choose door No.1. At this time, the host opens one of the other
>two doors, say door No.3 and shows you that it is a goat behind it.
>Question: To enhance your chances of winning the car, should you stick
>to door No.1 or switch to door No.2 or there is no diffrence between
>the two choices? 
>
>This is not as easy as some people think. Thousands of Ph.D's gave the 
>wrong answer.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Meng


No!  Please!  This Monty Hall problem has stirred up many furious debates
in many newsgroups, I personally watched the debates in soc.culture.taiwan,
and it also happened in rec.puzzle and sci.math.  People tried hard to
convince others that others were wrong, but many efforts are futile.
They quarrelled over two answers: switch---2/3 chance to win; and switch---
1/2 chance to win.

My suggestion: run a computer simulation to check your answer.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2 continued
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:59:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <927@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>
>If he stick, the winning chance is m/(m+n)
>If he switch:
>  m/(m+n)*0 + n/(m+n)*m/(n+m-2) 

Just relized that the above should be:

 m/(m+n)*(m-1)/(m+n-2) + n/(m+n)*m/(n+m-2)

The rest can be worked out accordingly.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
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From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:04:04 GMT

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From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:14:23 GMT
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University

In article Cvr@news.iastate.edu, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>>Easy, hum? A table has four corners, cut one corner and how many left?
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^ 
>                                                            not "still have"
>
>>>>I feel like 5-year-old now!
>>>
>>>Either 5 or 3, depends on how large the cut is..
>>>(everybody in china knows this riddle)
>>>
>>>NW
>>
>>4 is also possible.
>           ????????
>>(We are all assuming the cut is a straight line ....)
>
>
>



Consider a square table.
If the cut line intersects at the middle of two adjacent sides,
the remaining shape has 5 corners;
If the cut line passes through exactly one vertex of the square,
the remaining shape has 4 corners;
If the cut line passes through two vertices, i.e. it's a diagonal,
3 corners left.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs141049@cs.brown.edu (Hok Chung Tsang)
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.204832.16704@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
|> 
|> >> 
|> >>> Remember the old story "White horse is not a horse"? This is logic of TIers. 
|> >>> If this is true, one can argue that TIers is not Taiwanese.
|> >>> 
|> >> 
|> >>I still don't get the analogy between these two. Can you explain to me?
|> >> 
|> > 
|> >  Taiwan is a part of China. Taiwanese is a part of Chinese. If Taiwanese is 
|> > not Chinese, the Cantonese is not Chinese, then... White horse is not horse.
|> > 
|> 
|> I don't buy the analogy. Ask people in Guangdong whether Guangdong is part
|> of PRC and ask people in Taiwan whether Taiwan is part of PRC, will you.
|> Be respectful to people. They are no animal.

	We have been dicussing whether Taiwanese are Chinese, not whether 
Taiwanese are PRC'ese. You are off the point. 
	Moreover, there is no country in the world called The Republic of 
Taiwan. However, I think you know of a country called The Republic of China, 
where the people should be Chinese (not PRC'ese). If you say a Chinese is a 
Taiwanese, that's wrong. But if you say a Taiwanese is a Chinese, there is 
nothing wrong with it. Because ROC'ese are Chinese, just like the PRC'ese and 
98* of the HongKong'ese and the ~70% of Singaporean and the American Chinese. 
Chinese is the big set that include all of us. Why can't you just convince 
yourself that "Chinese" can be a term qualifying people's ethnic origin and not
necessarily the specific place, street, apt no. that a person is originated in?
 
	Please abandon the misconception that (Chinese==PRC'ese).

(form the compiler:
	syntax error at or near constant 'ese)?
)

A KwaiChung'ese, who triples as a HongKong'ese and a Chinese,
Douglas.

(Sometimes I don't wish I have to be this specific)

|> 
|> >>> 
|> >>> Hsi
|> >> 
|> >>Heng-Hsin
|> 
|> Heng-Hsin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: about that explosion in the microwave 
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:11:18 GMT

In article <BzDtFK.FuM@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.013018.4752@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>>I once was warming up a boiled egg in the microwave and it exploded.
>>The sound was, boy, frightening. When I started to use microwave I

I had exactly same experience as yours. I guess it is becuase there is
some air between dan4huang2 and dan4qing1 and the air is heated to
inflate quickly.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Her name is Noriko Sakai
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.170539.2567@sunova.ssc.gov> xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
>
>Ah, I knew it! I knew it!  My original doubt on her nationality
>as Chinese seems to be proived correct. Why did I think she is
>more like a Japanese? By her way of smiling! You could seldem
					      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>find a Chinese girl smiling that way (or smiling at all :-). Even
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>my wife doesn't smile like that. :-)  Believe me, Noriko's is a very
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>typical Japanese smile.
>
>-- 
>Xiaoyu Li

Sir, may i conclude as follows:

1) Your wife smiles in a very peculiar way. 
2) Your wife is not a Chinese.
3) Your wife is not a Japanese.
Proof:
1) Noriko's smile is different from ordinary Chinese girl's smile,
   even fifferent from your wife's. So, ...
2) If Chinese girl does not smile at all and your wife smiles then...
3) Noriko is a Japanese because her smile is different from your wifes,
   so ...

:-), just joking. No flame please.

- Chen Jinxiong, "and he is witness to all things".



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pan@destiny.ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Accomodation in NYC area
Keywords: Motel, NYC area
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:22:56 GMT

Can anyone recommand a nonexpensive motel near NYC (the best will be on the way from NYC to 
JFK airport)?  My family is going to NYC on a Saturday and then to JFK airport next morning. 
I'd appreciate any help.  Please send your advise directly to my account:

pan@ecs.umass.edu

Thanks.  Have a nice weekend.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:10:15 GMT

In article <BzEtB2.9HJ@fiu.edu> stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
>In article <858@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>|> In article <BzDGtz.68E@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>|> >>Now, can someone show us some kind of procedure that would prove that some set
>|>                                                             ^^^^^^^
>|> >>of 4 integers cannot be arithmatically combined to make a 24 ?
>|> >
>|> >1,1,1,1
>|> 
>|> I didn't see the prove ;-)
>|> 
>|> My proof: It is obvious. Done.
>
>
>(1+1+1+1)! = 4! = 1*2*3*4 = 24

:&

Let me increase the difficulty.

10,10,10,10
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: re math problem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:47:22 GMT

In article <00964FB1.B0093EC0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>I was a little surprised by the previous several answers given by other
>netters, because it was simply NOT TRUE.  Although I sent my answer to the
>original poster just after he posted, I feel I must post here again.
>
>y**n+ y**(n-1)+...+1 = (1-y**n)/(1-y)
>So the original equation becomes:
>(a+1)y**n = ay**(n+1) +1
>The intersections of LHS curve and RHS curve are solutions.
>at either y=0 or y=infinity, LHS<RHS
>so if there is intersection, there must be EVEN number's intersections.
>so the claim of UNIQUE solution is not true.
>
>W. Huang --- former provincial math contest No.1
>

Sir,

   I have to say that your reasoning would have been right,
if there were not the letter "X". :-) Though the "X" is not
montonous as your RHS and LHS, the basic idea is still true:
The RHS and the LHS are tangential(?) at the UNIQUE intersection.

   My initial solution was rechecked twice, and it proves
right till now. :-) You just need to take derivative a few
times to follow the same procedure.

Zhiqi Zuo --- former international math contest No.10000000000  
(100 billion)

:-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: Respose to Jian Chen's 8th article
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.143233.5930@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
|> From the start of this article, I found that the author Jian Chen is not
|> standing in the neutral position to evaluate the situation in HK. 

Are you? :)

|> But one important thing I have to say is that this is good for anyone
|> to share his or her viewpoints here.
|> 
|> From Jian Chen's 8th article, he mentioned China is enjoying its
|> great economic growth. This is true, but what is the underlying fact?
|> Will China still enjoy this growth if no foreign companies invest
|> to China? What I really think is that Communism only cannot help
|> the economic growth of China. What China is doing now is allowing
|> Capitalistic foreign companies to go into China and Help China's
|> economy. Without Capitalistic foreign companies, can China still
|> have the economic growth? In summary, Communism cannot help China
|> a lot until Capitalism run into China.

The question is:  Why the Former SU, which now has a "free" market economy, and is
no longer a "Communism" country any more, dose not have ANY economic growth? 

The same question can also be rasied on all other "free" and "democratic"
but poor+no growth+negative growth countries. Actually many of them are former
colonies of UK/other western countries.  

Moreover, nowadays, those Capitalism developed countries, like US and UK,
are enjoying their economic recessions. :)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: a math problem for those who want to chall
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:43:48 GMT

In article C67B2F40@Msu.oscs.montana.edu, uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu () writes:
>this is one of the 6 problems in the final contest of national math contest of
>1986.
>a plane is filled with any way by either black or white points. Prove that:
>there must exist one equi-lateral triangle whose 3 vertex are same color.
>
>I dont think there was more than 10 contestants that worked it out (judging by
>average sores and that it is the last one of 6 problem.)  I dont know the
>answer, which is why I didnt choose math as my career.
>
>Wei Huang --- future world No1. of xxx-ology.


It can't be very difficult if it appeared in the national math contest, even the
last one of the six.

Well, maybe I misunderstood the problem.  But suppose I didn't, then let me give
it a try.  I have no intention to challenge the math champions of China.  :-)

It would be easier to understand if shown in graphs, but I lack the talent to
draw it on the terminal, so I use coordinates.

Consider a regular hexagon centered at the origin O.  The six vertices are
A1(0,1), A2(sqrt(3)/2, 1/2), A3(...), A4(0, -1), A5(...), A6(...), (No need
to give all the coornidates---you know what it is), taken in clockwise order.

Without loss of generality, assume O is white.

(1) If there are two adjacent white vertices, they form an white equilateral
    triangle with O.  We are done.
(2) If case (1) not true.  Suppose there are three white vertices (can't have
    more than 3 without adjacent ones).  They can only be <A1, A3, A5> or
    <A2, A4, A6>, but both are equilateral triangles.  We are done.
(3) If there is only one white vertex.  Then 3 out of the 5 black vertices
    form a black equilateral triangle.  Done.
(4) Now the remaining case is two white vertices.  To avoid any black equilateral
    triangle, the two white vertices must be opposite to each other, say, A1 and
    A4 are white, others are black.
    Now consider the regular hexagon centered at A1, with vertices A2, O, A6,
    B4, B5, B6, taken in clockwise order.  B5 is (0, 2), you can figure out
    B4 and B6.
    (4.1) B5 is black.  Then <B5, A2, A6> is a black equilateral triangle.
    (4.2) B5 is white.  Consider B6.
          (4.2.1) B6 is white.  <A1, B5, B6> is a white equilateral triangle.
          (4.2.2) B6 is black.  <B6, A3, A6> is a black equilateral triangle.

Q.E.D.


I think the condition given in the problem is too strong---unless I
misunderstood it.


Feng Wang

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