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From: cbrunson@scilla.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Tools)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Frozen North East!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@scilla.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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I skied Loon Mt yesterday and it was great, it got up to about 50 but the
snow stayed fairly firm. The lower runs got mushy but not bad. The bumps stayed
icy till about 11:00 or so. They have great cover and should be open for at
least another month. At $18 its a real bargain.

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From: wilcock@evtdd1.enet.dec.com (John Wilcock)
Subject: Re: Driving from Calais to Meribel
Reply-To: wilcock@evtdd1.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Evry, France.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:23:20 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.160332.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ccas27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk 
writes:
> This Easter a group of friends and myself are going to drive from
> Calais to Meribel. I would like to hear from anyone who has already
> made this trip. Is it a good idea ? How long will it take ? In short
> please tell me how you got on - Dream Trip or Nightmare ?

    Recommended route (avoiding Paris)
        A26 Calais - Chalons-sur-Marne  
        A4  around Chalons              
        N77 Chalons - Troyes            
        A5  Troyes - Chaumont           
        A31 Chaumont - Beaune
        A6  Beaune - Lyon
        A43 Lyon - Chambery - Albertville
        N90 Albertville - Moutiers
        D?? Moutiers - Meribel

    The A26 is due to be completed some time soon, so Calais to Troyes will
    be A26 all the way, apart from a short stretch on the A4 around Chalons

    You currently have three options for getting round Lyon:
        1. Leave A6 just after peage, take A46 round to A42, then A42 
           back to the Lyon peripherique, and round the periph to
           to the A43
        2. Leave A6 just after peage, take A46 round to A42, then A42 
           towards Geneva. Take A432 via Satolas airport to get you to the A43.
        3. Stay on A6 right into Lyon, under tunnel de Fourviere,
           through Lyon on Av Berthelot, Av Mermoz, and onto the A43

    It's a very easy route. I've never done it direct (I live in Lyon)
    but Calais - Lyon is about 7 or 8 hours, and Lyon - Meribel is
    another two.

> Information on your experiences of Meribel itself would also be very
> useful - things like favourite bar/restaurant/chairlift/run etc.

    I don't know Meribel very well, but I can tell you that the snow was
    pretty good when I was there for the day ten days ago, though it was
    turning a bit slushy below about 1600m. There has been plenty of snow 
    since then - last weekend at Les Arcs off-piste areas were closed off 
    due to high avalanche risk.

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From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman - CONS)
Subject: Re: Telescopic poles wanted -- End of season sale??
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:06:49 GMT

In article <122930124@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes) writes:
   IMHO, the only adjustable poles to have are the ones with push buttons.  I've
   had a pair of Ramers now for...8 years?  They've never slipped.  

   All I hear from my friends who have the "twist and tighten" kind are 
   whining about them slipping, freezing, can't grip them with my mittons on...

I've had good luck by taking the pole apart and making circular
scratches on the nylon expanding hold with coarse sandpaper. Also, if
you summer ski, wash the poles out after each use -- the salt is
murderous!

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From: jss@kepler.unh.edu (Spectre)
Subject: Re: Conditions at Tuckerman's Ravine ?
Keywords: Tuckerman's Ravine, conditions
Organization: University of No Holidays - UNH - East somewhere
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:12:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.195612.22083@vision.ummed.edu> dsb@gtx.ummed.edu (Douglas S. Bowman) writes:
>Does anyone know the conditions up at Tuckerman's Ravine ?
>The rumor is that there is an avalanche danger now....
>Any idea which sections are open ?
>
>Thanks in advance

I'm not totally sure of what is safe and what isn't up there.  All last week
there were signs at Pinkam notch camp saying "Avalanche Warning.  If you ski
Tuckerman's, you WILL die."

I know that the avalanche finally fell on friday, dumping down 23 feet, or so
I have heard.  As far as what's open, I have no idea, you'll find out when you
get there.  I did hear that most of the Sherborne trail is open.  (The trail
that you can ski down to the bottom on)  It's patchy, but has an average of 3
feet down.

To anyone going up on Saturday the 11th....Good luck, have fun.....
	Don't fall and hit me!!!!!!   I hope to see you there!!!!


					-Jeff Schreiber

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|         aka: "Spectre"               | The way to ski these things [moguls] |
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|    j_schreiber@unhh.unh.edu          | Then....Back off.                    |
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|  I don't care if they are wrong and  | In Greg Stumps, "Licence to Thrill"  |
|  you can't have them anyway!"        |                                      |
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"Skiing Tuckerman's ravine once is incredible.......
	twice is just dumb!!"  -Warren Miller


From: rcodo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Codo)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:52:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

**> What are the best skis?
**> 
**> Price is no object.
**> 
**> -- LSC

     This is certainly a loaded question.  I have always had good
     luck with Atomic.  I have been skiing on Atomic's for about
     ten years and have no complaints.  I really enjoy the Atomic
     GS skis.  (There are numerous different models) Bernard
     Knauss, who some claim to be the best GS skier in the
     world races on Atomic.
  
     But if price is no object - you might want to consider Volkl.
     The Volkl Rentigger is an excellent all around ski, (bumps, crud,
     deep snow - it is even fairly stable at warp speeds) and the p9
     is a great high performance slalom "rocket".  Volkl makes excellent 
     equipment, but it is also *very expensive*.  Being an HP'ite, 
     I am sure you can relate! :-) 

     This is a great time to buy skiis. Most of the ski shops are
     trying to offload excess inventories at bargain basement prices.

     Oh well - good luck!!! 

     Geez with all the snow the Central Colorado Rockies are getting
     we probably only have what - 2 months of great skiing left? :-)

     Ski all spring - golf all summer!

     Rcodo
From: corcoran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Corcoran Patrick)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Conditions at Tuckerman's Ravine ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:38:15 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Yes, sadly the rumour is true...
The chances of avalanches in Tuckerman's Ravine is moderate to high...
..it is not recommended to ski the "bowl", skiing is possible on
Hillman's highway, Left Gully, Right right Gully(?), skiing on top and
also on the Tuckerman's Ravine trail....
Apparently the conditions are icy (????) for these areas...

The new avalaches report is due tomorrow at 3p.m.
But for lets hope for the best. 

		      - Pat
                             .....someone that was planning to
                                         ski there this weekend.

  (informations from Pinkham Notch (603)466-2725.)
 p.s. I also learned that they received 4 FEET OF SNOW the last two weeks.

						  Patrick Corcoran
						 (dept. de geographie)
						(Universite de Montreal)   
						corcoran@ERE.UMontreal.CA
From: calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.COM (Christopher Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SLUSHY SKIING
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:19:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suzies

In article <1992Apr15.213340.29683@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I have a question... Everyone complains about slushy, mushy conditions. 
>I DON'T GET IT!!!!!!  I die for slush.  I wait for spring so that the snow
>gets soft.  I ALMOST prefer slush to powder. Soft mushy moguls are a dream 
>come true for me.  I tell my friends that I'm going skiing in the spring
>and the common response is "Isn't it all slush though??".  I Seriously think
>that skiing in slush is AWESOME. I can understand racers not liking slush
>but for recreational skiiers I can't immagine anything better.  I am an expert
>skiier, can anyone tell me if I'm CRAZY, or if anyone else has this same love
>for SLUSHY SPRING SKIING? 
>
>							Todd S.

I'm with you Todd,  while I still think powder is perfect, slush is 
santastic!  What I like best is "slush-busting",  when you've got those 
little piles built up on a previously groomed slope.  I come down at moderate
speed and turn in those puppies with little extra "ummph".  They just
explode!  Of course,  the key is to be nicely centered, so the impact doesn't
throw you.  I've been trying to think up a T-short, you know, with a red
slashed circle covering something.  I just haven't been able to figure the
something, though, any ideas?

`Chris
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From: nwickham@triton.unm.edu (Neal C. Wickham)
Subject: Re: Conditions at Snowbird, Solitude?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 07:44:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <0qyjdnl@lynx.unm.edu> nwickham@triton.unm.edu (Neal C. Wickham) writes:
>
>Sante Fe New Mexico has plenty of snow.  I think still over a hundred i
>inches and may have gotten more from the storms this week.  I am pretty
>sure that this is thier last weekend.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


WHOOPS!  Last weekend was their last weekend.  Sorry!  :)
 



                                    NCW


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From: carltonj@media.mit.edu (Carlton J. Sparrell)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:24:21 GMT

In article <daved.702757639@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>In <1992Apr8.085150.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>I feel the most danger from other skiers hitting me at full velocity. 
>Does this mean I should give up skiing? If everyone followed the 
>guidelines for safe skiing there would be no need for lawyers
>anywhere near the ski slopes, except to sue ski areas for the false
>advertising in the ski reports :-)

Hmmm...My understanding of the NFL is that while the helmets prevent
certain head injuries, they are also rather efficient weapons.  This
is part of the reason why all the shoulder, chest, kidney, etc. pads
are needed.

If one of the prime factors in skiier injuries is collisions with
other skiiers, putting helmets on those skiiers will make them
even more dangerous projectiles.  

I suspect that states that depend on tourism will be less likely to
adopt these measures.  If Maine passes this law and Vermont doesn't,
who would ski Maine?  Certainly not me.  And Canada is not that much
further for those longer ski trips.


CJS
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOW DEPTH
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:44:42 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr7.001731.17275@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> 
> 	I heard a rumor and I need to get it confirmed.  I was wondering what
> is the record for the most (deepest) snow at a ski area in the U.S.,
> specifically in the Eastern U.S.. Killington has 96 trails opened as of
> 4/4/92....one of which (Superstar trail) has 40 feet of  snow on it!! 
> You have to see it to believe it!  I have never seen anything like it, and
> I heard that it was some kind of all time record.  It may seem unbelievable
> but IT IS TRUE!!!  My birthday is June 16th and I always have joked about
> being able to ski in Vt. on my birthday, and IF it is ever gonna happen
> I can at least dream that this is the year.  I Know!! (IT'S NOT GONNA
> HAPPEN!, but let me dream!)

I don't know what Superstar has to do with snow depth - it appears to be
maintained as sort of an artificial glacier - whenever there's free snow
making capacity, point some at it.  This both provides one long lasting
slope, and also a bank for storing snow to scrape downhill to keep other
trails open a little longer.

PS: the 40 feet sounds about ballpark since they've been doing this...

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From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <1992Apr9.163034.20028@cbnews.cb.att.com> ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com  
(john.e.ampe) writes:
> By the way, I find it a little ironic that I'm seeing articles about
> experienced skiers skiing into trees and lift towers and dying
> (presumably from head injuries), intermixed with articles decrying any
> attempt to enforce helmet usage...

I don't find it ironic at all.  I think that if you want to risk your life in  
this way, that it is YOUR life, and you can choose (look ma, I'm pro-choice).   
I believe the same for bicycle and motorcycle helmets, and even seat belts.

I'm personally inconsistant.  I make a habit to put on my seat belt (even  
before there were laws saying I had to), as well as motorcycle helmets and  
bicycle helmets, but I've never worn a helmet skiing.  Go figure.
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From: lasala@cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:29:01 GMT

In article <B000iB1w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
>
>> In rec.skiing, haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas) writes:
>> 
>> > If the resort can't be sued for injuries to a skier, what mechanism is 
>> > there to keep management on the straight and narrow?
>> 
>>  In what respect? Certainly the area has a responsibility to run the 
>>  equipment safely (chairs that fall off the cable would be bad...) but
>>  I disagree with the implicit assumption that the area is in some way
>>  responsible for the manner in which people ski.
>> 
>On the other hand, I have personally obsererved skiers either intoxicated
>(alcohol primarily) or very clearly unable to safely negotiate terrain and
>had virtually no power to alter the situation.  Instructors are told to
>refer the problem to ski patrol.  While I have (and will continue) attempted
>to either detain drunks or encourage the incompetent to seek more reasonable
>terrain, I could be fired for doing so.  If an area fails to take reasonable
>precautions and one of these charming souls trashes themselves or someone
>else as a result of inaction, there is, IMHO, a partial liability on the
>mountain's part.

	Agreed.  I witnessed two dangerous situations involving beginners in
just one day this year.  One morning in January, I was taking an advanced
free-heel technique class at Whiteface, and we were doing an "Indian-run"
slalom on an easy slope (the group makes gates with their bodies and you get
on the end when you finish)  Some beginning alpine skier (wearing Carhartt
overalls, no less) decided to join in but was unable to control his wedge
turn and ran right over me, fortunately at low speed.  No injuries.

	Later that day, we were waiting in a liftline when this girl came
flying through the base area at warp speed, yelling "I can't st-o-o-o-p-p-p..."
I shouted back "So don't sk-i-i-i..."  I don't think she hit anything, but
she certainly had enough kinetic energy to do a lot of damage if she had.

	In New York, at least, there is a section of State law telling skiers
that they must behave in a safe manner, and it is printed on the waxy backing
that you have to peel off the lift ticket.  Since active-duty law-enforcement
officials are rarely seen on the slopes, I think it is the responsibility of
the area ski patrol to enforce this, and they should have the power of arrest
for reckless endangerment of others.

	An analogy could be made, I suppose, to another activity in which
participants are in danger from each other;  driving.  I think that testing
and licensing of skiers would be a *BAD IDEA* and an overreaction but some 
response is needed to the problem observed above.
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From: jason@dsd.es.com (Jason S. Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: Conditions at Snowbird, Solitude?
Reply-To: jason@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans and Sutherland, Salt Lake City, Utah
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:43:49 GMT

Fred White asks:
|> Anyone skiied these places lately?  

We've had such a miserable snow year that it would just shock
anybody who'd been here during April of last year. At Alta there is
only a 74" base. There are huge barren patches all over the
mountain. The snow pack looks like this is the end of June. 
Snowbird is worse, reporting a base of 72". Afternoons are
mush-slush skiing. It's so warm, if it percips, it'll be rain.
They're only opening the top of the mountain (Little Cloud chair)
starting the 4th of May.

If you do come, don't go skiing until after the snow softens, say around
10:30 - 11am.

We've been ripped off. 

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From: haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:56:00 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr11.222115.14877@fivegl.co.nz> hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
>What I'm trying to demonstrate is that there are other solutions to the
>problem.  When the ACC act removed our right to sue for these sort of
>events, it also removed the necessity to sue and the ensuing (sic)
>escalation of liability insurance.  Our ski shops and resorts are not
>hostage to any insurance company.

How does NZ set reasonable standards for ski area management?  If the
resort can't be sued for injuries to a skier, what mechanism is there
to keep management on the straight and narrow?

-- Walt
From: jim@marvin.contex.com (James Bampos)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing Wildcat in April (1992)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:13:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Xyvision Design Systems

Subject: Skiing Wildcat in April (1992 that is)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Keywords: Skiing Wildcat in April (1992 that is)
    Just thought I would post a note for all you eastern skiers who lived 
through last Friday (4/10/92) when Boston recorded tempratures near 70
degrees. Saturday in northern New Hampshire was quite the opposite!!
    As we awoke from a short night of sleep we discovered approx. 5 inches
of new snow had fallen in the valley and Wildcat Ski Area was reporting
6 inches of new. Although the weather report indicated the snow would change
to rain in the afternoon ... it never did.
    To give you folks some background on New Hampshire in April, the skiing
usually brings warm weather and slushy conditions with few trails open.       
 Although Wildcat is directly across from Tuckerman's Ravine, the month of
 April usually brings the end of the season. Well not this year!!!!!!
    Saturday brought 8-9 inches of fresh medium wet snow and warranted the
opening of trails that have not been skied in 5+ years. I have been skiing 
Wildcat for almost 10 years and have not skied some of the trails opened
on Saturday. For those of you familiar with Wildcat, under the Gondola was 
open, Hollywood, Catinary (sp. check?), Alleycat, and several other trails 
I do not know the names of because I never get the opportunity to ski them.
    Looks like Wildcat may be open into May. For those of you who ski
Killington and Sunday River this may not seem like a big deal, but those
of us who ski *cold*, *windy* Wildcat all year, it is a most excellent
happening. 
    NOTE: took a detour on the way home from Wildcat and stopped at the 
Ravine to check in on the brave who decided rain, snow, sleet, or wind
will not keep them from the Tuckermans. The news: many slides still
happening, not advisable to ski any headwall terain, ski the relatively
flat stuff to the sides (I use the term relatively in a Ravine manner)
and you should survive!
    Thanks for listening ... hope to see you at Wildcat this spring and
in the Ravine 4/25 or 5/2, weather dependent.	
						See Ya !
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:47:11 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Apr15.152522.6496@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00drkoch@bsu-ucs.uucp writes: 
>In article <1992Apr10.005425.15016@trl.oz.au>, harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes: 
>> In article<1992Apr1.195741.7469@gtephx.UUCP> romanenkod@gtephx.UUCP (Dan Romanenko) writes: 

>> And while on this subject, who was theclown who graded Rolex (at Steamboat) 
>> as Double Black?  
>I believ that Rolex is slope I was on about two or three years ago.  It was
>labeld blue and had moguls that were waist high.  If it's the same slope it 
>deffinatley needed to be double black.  
>


 Sorry, Steamboat has it's strengths but <><> skiing is NOT one of
them.  Rolex would be blue without bumps; no matter how big the bumps
get it is just not steep enough for a <><> rating.  As I gaze at a
trail map I see that it is very fairly rated <>.  And you can't help but
see what you are getting into from the base of Priest Creek.








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