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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:28:42 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <C0AIrG.3p6@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>Harvest fluctuation resulted from climate change or war. China had one of
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>oldest written language, those famine were recorded. Other parts of world
>, did not have rich and welthy managed land, did not support so many
>population, when bad time came, famine did not hit as much at it did in
>China.

Not always, it can be also resulted from bad policies. Since early 80s, CCP 
has allowed farmers keep part of harvests that is one of reasons agricultural 
products have increased significantly. Chinese people now not only eat enough 
but also better. For example, meat consumption has increased 3 times in the 
past 10 years. But how about before 80s, remembered people's commune era? 
Remembered in the late 50s ex-defense minister Peng Der-Hwei criticized that 
Mao's agriculture policy has caused Chinese people starving to death. Did Mao 
listen? Mao did not listen but also later tortured Peng to death. What a 
tragedy!
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From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: A thought on Mainlanders' Attitude
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:47:41 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu



In article <C0JIAJ.Ap@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

> 
> Taiwan is holding unification as hostage, in excuse of CCP, and refuses 
> contact with mainland. This may cause  Chinese people disaster, if not managed
> carefully, given some nation are taking advantage of the situation.
> 

In article <1993Jan9.124612.4236@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

> 	** This is a very good illustration of that China should
> 	   be united. SCHK, SCT, and SCC should eventually be
> 	   only one. 
> 
> 	   I like to see more and more cross-posting happen.


In article <1993Jan9.125757.4237@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
> 
> 	** After seeing the spectacular fight among Guo2 Dai4
> 	   on Jan 8, I am just laughing at this so called
> 	   democracy. 
> 
> 	   Election is just a disguise of other forms of dictatorship.


After reading so many posting by mainlanders, I have a question for the
netters.   Do you think it is the fact that

(a) Taiwan is (already) an independent and democratic country 
or 
(b) Taiwan wants to declare independence

causes more the unease of CCP?


	If you carefully read the articles by the mainlanders, you will find
out (a) is the more correct answer.  These mainlanders just won't leave us
alone and won't let us decide what we want to do.   They do nothing to improve
their CCP and ridicule our democracy.

	In order not to bring in another flame war, I am willing to make my
point clear.   Apparently fact (a) is more important than fact (b) for us
to survive. (Some netters insist that we shouldn't take radical measures,
which I agree with, as long as we make as much progress as we can.)

There is an ILLUSION that if we don't enforce (b) then China
will not invade Taiwan. This *is* an illusion!!   
It is my believe that the fact (a) is the most essential
factor to the CCP's hostility.  I am very concerned about the fact that some of
my Taiwanese fellows are still unable to realize the importance of fact (a)
and believe fact (b) is the only cause for invasion.
	

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From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Li-Hau Institution
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:14:05 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.193116.25719@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:

|> I learned that there was a demonstration in Taipei on Sunday
|> (1/10/93.) The purpose of this demonstration was suprisingly
|> "Supporting Li-Hau Institution" (or should I say "Supporting
|> Hau as the Premier").
|> 
|> From the video, I saw a crowd of about 5-10 thousand people
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> in the demonstration. They went to the President Mansion to
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> give their opinion in writing. I was really suprised that the
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	Were there a lot of riot police and military police waiting for them

	outside the Presidential House?  That is what they usually do if there is

	a demonstration lead by DPP. I wonder if the "authority" treated them 

	"fairly."


	


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From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:11:34 GMT

In article <C0Ex0r.JDH@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>Again, can you abandon confusious way of reason.

What do you mean "confusious way of reason"?

Again, can you make your point more clear to me? Please tell me which
part of my arguement is the "confusious way of reason" that you are
against. And please tell me why it is wrong.

You cite so many lines and only give one line of "confusing" accusation.
I really don't know how to answer.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:37:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.233824.24667@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <C0nIAu.1A4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>>1. We should not compare Modern North America with ancient China;
>
>And I didn't; I compared ancient China with ancient Europe.
>
>>2. Given the fact that in ancient China, there were so many population, poeple
>>with slight common sense
>>can deduct that China had rich land,  periodical famines does not
>>negate that.(In ancient greece, weak infants had to  be throuw over cliff to
>>control population because there was not enough to feed.)
>
>(Where did you get this "ancient Greece" stuff anyway?  But it's off the
>topic.)
>
>1.	Even if there's a huge population, that is not a proof that the land
>	was fertile.  If it is, then one must say that India and Bangladesh
>	have the richest lands of the world.
>
>2.	Second, it's not even true that there were huge populations in ancient
>	China.  I am not an expert on this (this is probably my weak points in
>	studying Chinese history), but during the Three Kingdoms period, there
>	were only 8 million people combined in the three kingdoms (which is
>	*very* tiny, indeed, compared with today's population), with about 50%
>	of the land size (and >50% of arable land) of today's China.
Pre-industrailization, in absence of birth control and effective medical
science, population balance was kept through crude ways: disease, animal
eating, wars, famine. More population did indicate the balance was in favor of
better condition, one of which was better food supply;
Please do not use a single period--Thrre Kingdoms, to generalize whole ancient
chinese history, ancient China had most population concentration on Earth from
280bc to current.
I hope I do not have to explain again.
From: ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Short Wave Radio Reception (Was Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast)
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:48:10 GMT

I would advise anyone who is really interested in listening to short wave  
radio to spend at least $100 on SW radio.  Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba,  
Grundig are all good brands of good quality products.  Sangean is made in  
Taiwan with mediocre quality.  Reception conditions varies with many other  
conditions.  A $45 Casio may not meet your requirements.
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Friends!
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:22:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wfHw2qe00WBL82ovxx
	<1993Jan10.001909.18847@ee.gatech.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Freinds,

.

         I look for Shih-yi Han in the Mechanical Engineering Department
at Ming Hsin Junior College of Technology. And, could one of you please
give me address of this fine University or if is on the internet. Thank
you Iam very plesed and
grateful! And, if I get in touch with Shih-Yi Han I paid you but only in
art! ^_^
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From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Li-Hau Institution
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:31:16 GMT

Friends in Taiwan and overseas,

I learned that there was a demonstration in Taipei on Sunday
(1/10/93.) The purpose of this demonstration was suprisingly
"Supporting Li-Hau Institution" (or should I say "Supporting
Hau as the Premier").

From the video, I saw a crowd of about 5-10 thousand people
in the demonstration. They went to the President Mansion to
give their opinion in writing. I was really suprised that the
political promotion activities inside KMT went onto the street.

Does anybody know is it Non-mainstreamers who planned this
demonstration? It seems like a demonstration that "supports what
is now" is always a crowd of legitimate, loyal people and a
demonstration that is "against what is now" is a crowd of
revolutionary, dangerous people. So probably we won't see a
counter-demonstration that demands "Hau Get Out of Way."
But will we see an ideological (counter-)demonstration like
"Supporting A Youngish Cabinet" soon?

Any opinion on should Hau stay and who's next?


Heng-Hsin
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: RACIST
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:01:05 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1993Jan6.153502.5339@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>In article 11254@fuug.fi, an3879@anon.penet.fi () writes:
>>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>>too gung ho American.
>>
>>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.

I have two points to make.  First, "several" Chinese girls (that term
should be "women", by the way) does not connote "all".

>[stuff deleted] But such a racist remarks should ban 
>him from having access to this or any other news group. If anyone could help 
>in determining where in the Ohio area this man is and contact the proper authority 
>to disallow him from using the network.

My second point is that, while one should use politeness and common
sense as guildelines on how to make a point, everyone has the right to
his or her opinions and these opinions should not be banned.  The
minority should not be silenced to please the majority.

	-- Anita --

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From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Boring, Die Hard topics
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

If a topic become a dialogue between 2 specific nettars , please use e-mail.
I am really tired of reading one criticizing the other's pure logic.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:15:04 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


In article <C0JIAJ.Ap@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.021355.4984@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
> >
> >In article <C0B4y7.CHt@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
> >>In article <V-c=hsA@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
> >>>
> >>>In article <C0AJ4q.3qr@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> >>>
> >>>Reading your articles is like reading stories written by someone from the Mars. Furthermore, it seems to me that Martians are going to conquer the Earth!
> >>>
> >>Just want to wake somebody up, want conquer nobody, too much mess.
> >
> >We also want to wake you up, that is, understand who is really causing the 
> >China/Taiwan problem. CCP.
> Who caused the problem is not as important as how to solve the problem.
> 
> Taiwan is holding unification as hostage, in excuse of CCP, and refuses 
> contact with mainland. This may cause  Chinese people disaster, if not managed
> carefully, given some nation are taking advantage of the situation.
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:23:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.025634.9120@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <C0B1ns.AI3@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>>Do not twist!
>>Give your indication:
>>  China's current grain, meat production ranks number  1 in the world.
>
>I must say that I don't believe this; please show your numbers.
>
>But even if China's raw numbers are higher, that doesn't prove that the land
>is more fertile; you must then divide the raw numbers by the amount of land
>in farm use.
>
>>China has land that can produce  three harvests of rice and one harvest of
>>weeds for fertilizer.
>
>Hmmm...  Why do you want to produce weeds?  Or do you mean seaweed?  Yum!
>
>(Sorry; I know that you meant "wheat," but I just can't resist it.)
>>
>>It is not you people(in Taiwan and West)'s invention to belittle the openent.
>>Please take a look at other side of  story besides the one you got from your
>>surrendings.
>
>From the numbers I've seen, it's always been my impression that the Great
>Plains area in central United States has always been the most productive.

One of my major was economic geography. Please trust me on those, they are
facts and  can be easily verified. Unfortunately I do not have figure handy.
If you realy have doubt and curious enough, any extensive geography book or
economic statistics book will help.
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:16:20 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1993Jan11.183020.6056@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

> And you still haven't answered my objection that a large population doesn't
> automatically mean that the lands were fertile.

	** Most population are in rural area.

	   They need more people means they need more labor.

	   They need more labor because they need more food.

	   They need more food because the land is lean.

	   Am I right?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yang@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: RACIST
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:23:17 GMT

g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

>In article L67@news.cso.uiuc.edu, scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen!!!) writes:
>>
>>What the heck man...who posted the original article?!  People usually adapt to
>>whatever environment they are in you know?  In this case, the ABC's are just
>>like all the American girls...nothing wrong with that...nobody told you to look
>>at them  :)  Also you also generalized too much...ware clothes too tight, skirts
>>too high...why don't you come to my school and take a look?  :p
>>
>>Steve Chen
>>scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>>University of Illiois
>>
>As you may know by now. It was an anonymous post. Anyways, are you saying that 
>Chinese girls are like that in U of IL? 
>TU

Sorry, just a clarification: What he said was about ABC's.  "Chinese" girls
seem to be a term that's too broad (the original post mentioned Chinese girls
who grew up or were born here).  Anyway, having been in this campus for over
four and half years, I havn't seen something that "good," i.e., with clothes
too tight, skirts too high... :-)  I think it's too cold here for that kind
of thing...  Hi, Steve, could you tell me where I can "take a look?" :-)

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: RACIST
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:00:39 GMT

In article L67@news.cso.uiuc.edu, scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen!!!) writes:
>g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:
>
>>In article 11254@fuug.fi, an3879@anon.penet.fi () writes:
>>>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>>>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>>>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>>>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>>>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>>>too gung ho American.
>>>
>>>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>>>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>>>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.
>
>
>>It is obvious that this man has a problem. At first I wanted to ignore him 
>>'cause I'm sure he just wanted attention. But such a racist remarks should ban 
>>him from having access to this or any other news group. If anyone could help 
>>in determining where in the Ohio area this man is and contact the proper authority 
>>to disallow him from using the network.
>
>>TU
>
>What the heck man...who posted the original article?!  People usually adapt to
>whatever environment they are in you know?  In this case, the ABC's are just
>like all the American girls...nothing wrong with that...nobody told you to look
>at them  :)  Also you also generalized too much...ware clothes too tight, skirts
>too high...why don't you come to my school and take a look?  :p
>
>Steve Chen
>scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>University of Illiois
>


As you may know by now. It was an anonymous post. Anyways, are you saying that 
Chinese girls are like that in U of IL? 

TU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [money] asking about mutual fund in Taiwan (re-ask)
Followup-To: null
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:57:08 GMT

     I was asking about mutual funds in Taiwan.  If anyone out there
can tell me how to find out about them, e.g. what magazines to look,
please e-mail me.  Thanks.

						Daniel Chung (Mr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen+@cs.cmu.edu (Chung Kang Tsen)
Subject: email in taiwan
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:58:31 GMT



test 1,2,3
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: news about Korean govt action against Taiwan
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:06:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <AfIfYVy00UhWE17Wsi@andrew.cmu.edu> bw1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Betty H. Wu) writes:
>
>The South Korean government recently disallowed several ROC offices in
>Korea to hang the R.O.C. flag.  I find this to be an outrage in a
>supposedly democratic country.  

From what I heard, the diplomatic offices weren't allowed to hang flags.
Korea and Taiwan are no longer on ambassordoral levels. That is not to
say the two countries are enemies.

>The ROC government is trying to find ways of retaliating.  I think the
>best retaliation is for all of the Chinese people in Korea to choose a
>date and hang the ROC flag in protest.  

This is silly. Since when do "all Chinese people" come into this? 
BTW, Korea is now on official links with PRC, PRC=around 1.3 billion
people, ROC=around 24 million. Does the anger for 24 million mean that
1,300 million are angry too? I don't think it is good to get angry over
circumstances in time.

>This post is not in support of the Taiwanese gov't but in support of all
>the Chinese people who are proud of being Chinese.

This is silly also. You think that since the Taiwanese flag wasn't allowed
to be hanged at diplomatic offices, the Korean government is saying that
the Chinese are 2nd rate people and shouldn't be proud of being Chinese?
This is silly. If anything, Korea is the most "Chinese" nation on Earth,
more Confucian than China or Taiwan herself. Now if you say that Koreans
dislike Chinese, then  I'd think Koreans don't like themselves.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen+@MM.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen)
Subject: test
Originator: tsen@MM.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:28:46 GMT

Good morning,Taiwan!
          

                This is a message from Taipei.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen+@cs.cmu.edu (Chung Kang Tsen)
Subject: Re: About Taiwan
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:24:27 GMT

>So glad to see such an `HEALTHY' comment.
>Well done , pal!!
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Email : b0601036@hp850s.ntu.edu.tw

   
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