HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Apr6.200000.734
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <5274@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
>as for the puzzles, those of us with certain issues from Groo's
>short-lived run with pacific comics own pages which can be cut up
>to make little stand-up figures.  sergio remembers the long-lost days
>when comics *were* fun that way, and he wants to instill that same
>type of fun, now that he (apparently) has more control.
>unfortunately i don't agree with him; he and mark have built a
>strong following (well, karl and me at least :-) based upon the
>"groo" character, and this audience is not well-suited for playthings.
>
I don't know; I could forgive the cut-out stand-up figures -- they were
fun in a silly sort of way.  But mazes?!  It just isn't the same.  The
stand up figure required a certain amount of imagination and fantasy; the
maze is just one of those ground-out things, and it wasn't even particularly
challenging except for maybe 8 year olds.

I don't know if Sergio really thinks his readers enjoy this kind of thing
(and therefor thinks his readers are on average 8 years old) or if he's
just doing this because it's a quick and easy way to fill space.  I think
the letters page should make it clear that the average reader is not 8
(he's 4), and they're insulting us with those silly mazes.  Maybe I should
fire off a letter to them:

Dear Sergio, Mark, & Co.,
   I have a plate in my head so if you don't watch out I might send
the Man in the Raincoat after you.  Since this is e-mail and sent at
light speed, it will get to you before I send it.
Sincerely,
Karl

PS: Please don't not not print not this letter --NOT!
PPS: I'm feeling *mulch* better now...


There, that oughta take care of things!

>i have them all (8 pacific, 1 eclipse, 89 epic, 1 graphic novel) but i'm afraid
>i'm finally getting tired of it --- it's just not the same anymore.
>
Maybe it's time to retire while it's still possible to do it with some
dignity...

-- 
                    ' ",      *
Karl Wagenfuehr         ,         "Weisst du, wieviel Sternlein stehen an dem
wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu  ,  '      blauen Himmelszelt?"  --Deutsches Volkslied
                          '
From: s913391@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Antony Ross Lazarus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: BOOKS:Good Omens-Gaiman&Pratchett
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:40:57 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>Just a side bar to this original post, Terry and Neil's novel
>GOOD OMENS is one of the funniest novels I have ever read.  Please
>pick it up whenever you get the chance.  It is fabulous!!!
>Scotty B

Yo! If you think that's good, pick up a copy of the following Terry Pratchetts 
(if you haven't done so already):

The Colour of Magic
The Light Fantastic
Mort
Pyramids
Sourcery
Reaper Man
Moving Pictures (highly recommended)

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  GOO GOO GOO JOOB                 s913391@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: X-notes, X-traitor
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:39:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.152732.9319@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.051957.9751@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.141326.21330@wpi.WPI.EDU> paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:
>>>In article <92104.114205ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>>>
>>>>  Just a few comments:
>>>> 1) Some are posting about a love triangle between Cyclops,Jean and Psylocke.
>>>>    Since to my knowledge there were never any hints about Cyclops and
>>>>    Psylocke, it could just be (IMHO) that Cyclops was just checking her out
>>>>    as men usually do at the beach. Psylocke is after all supposed to be the
>>>>   sex symbol of the group.(At least she has been drawn that way and mentioned
>>>>    by other X-men as gorgeous).
>>>
>>>	true... and she was a model before she took up superheroing....
>>
>>True... and she was also a white, British model who probably couldn't
>>perform a single ninja action if her life depended on it.  Nor could
>>she endlessly prattle on about her "psychic knife."  But then, I'm
>>just nitpicking here.  (Personally, I think she was using her powers on
>>Cyclops, but I have no idea why.  Maybe Psylocke is the traitor...)
>
>	I agree.  I think Psylocke used her powers on Scott.  Examine the
>
>panel again and note the hazy outline.  As for Psylocke being the traitor,
>it's possible, but considering the fact that I heard the X-writers haven't
>decided yet, I tend to think the whole traitor plotline will be dropped.
>	As for a white, British model performing ninja actions, haven't you
>ever seen that Lee Van Cleef opus, "The Master" ?  If an aging bad actor can
>flip over helicopter blades, Psylocke should have no problem.    :)
>
>						L8R,
>					Raythrax (yes, that is my real name)
>
>
>
>						NOT
>

Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name, which I doubt), I have
seen "The Master" (actually, I saw the "Master Ninja II" episode of
"Mystery Science Theater 3000," but that's beside the point).  The point
I was making was that Psylocke was white, British, and in no way resembled
a ninja.  Then she goes through the Seige Perilous, winds up with the
Hand, and suddenly she's an Oriental ninja!  How'd that happen?

And, please, I'm a big "Bloom County" fan.  Never call a Lee Van Cleef 
movie an opus.  Please.
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From: wrlutz@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (William R Lutz)
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn NOT!
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:12:18 GMT

This is a test to see if this damn news reader is working again.

In article <1959@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>> Article <1992Apr8.221243.18332@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
>
>
>> The first two issues of Flash year 1 have been pretty darned
>> boring.  Does anyone have any idea what the next two issues
>> will be like?
>
>I have the original appearance of Kid Flash (I have all of the Flash
>books from 120's to a year or two before the end of the original run 
>as well as the new serioes) and I like the story
>told from Wally's point of view.
>
>> Also, is Mark Waid going to continue writing after the year
>> 1 story wraps up?  Is there any information on what direction
>> is planned for the book re: supporting cast, future plotlines,
>> etc.?  The only thing I've heard is that there is an
>> upcoming 2-part crossover with Hal Jordan, with Grodd and
>> Hector Hammond.
>
>Just that I heard that Jay will appearing for some guest appearances.
>
>I expect that Connie and Chunk will get less exposure and I
>am fairly sure Mark Waid will drop the phychologist sessions.
>
>But I expect not too many changes since it is a successful book.
>-- 
>Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
>NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
>12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141 

I also like the story told from Wally's point of view.  I've always thought
the idea of Kid Flash was a little stoooopid.  But with the new information
about Barry "causing" the flash powers of Wally's it is kind of neat.  And
on this note: where did the lightning bolt come from that caused Wally's
powers?  Was it real?  Or is Wally the real cause of his powers like Barry?
Or more importantly did Barry "force" his powers on Wally?

	I hope they will explore the Wally, Barry, and even Jay freindships
and conections with each other and their powers.  Even with the crisis stuff
screwing with the DC universe it could be interesting.
	And if this test works I will post MY DUMBASS!
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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Griffin - to be continued?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ins434u.703126223@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> ins434u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.C. May) writes:
>  I was just wondering if there is any news to continue the story left off
>at the conclusion of the Griffin mini-series.  It seemed fairly open-ended;
>anyone know any of any possible developments?

Sadly, the Griffin newsletter said that low sales made it almost impossible
for there to be a sequel from DC, which I think is really too bad as The
Griffin is the best series I've read in the last year or so.

However, the character is creator-owned, and apparently after 3 years (I
think that was the number) the rights to publish will revert to said
creators, so maybe around then they'll do another series, at an indy publisher.
(I think the writer owns Slave Labor Graphics.)

I sure hope there will be a sequel; we never got to meet Ford or Anarchy! :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I am a cat, and I keep my own counsel."
					- "A Dream Of A Thousand Cats"
From: angst@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Oscar in Jaka and Melmoth again
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:56:55 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I've been away for a couple of weeks, so I must have missed Sim's response
referred to below:

    Of course --- well, we've read Sim's Usenet response to whether Oscar
    is the "same character" in Jaka's and Melmoth.......

Would someone please repost?  Ta.

Andy
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Project: Pegasus
Date: 9 Apr 1992 16:47:56 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <167C313817.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>Just for kicks, I picked up issue #8 of Dazzler, and found her kidnapped by
>an energy research project called Pegasus.  Has this group been portrayed
>elsewhere, and have any other Marvel characters been involved with them?

	Yeah, it used to show up all the time.  Pegasus was actually
an acronym for something (something about Potential Energy....).  
It was a generic super-scientific organization for Marvel.  (Sorta
like STAR in DC.)  They used to show up all the time.  Quasar was
the security chief until a Marvel Team Up annual where he got possessed
by the Serpent Crown.  The Guardsman was the next securty chief, and
I haven't seen them sense.

>Also, Dazzler seemed to be falling for the project's security chief, Quasar.
>Has this plotline ever been explored?
	
	Possibly. Dazz had a lot of boyfriends in her own comic. 
(Angel, Quasar, a doctor, the lawyer who got her off when she 
accidentally absorbed Klaw, an aging movie star, and a couple of
other random guys)

	Since her appearance in X-men, she's only had eyes for Longshot
(and Freddie somethingorother, who found the missing master print to
her movie).
-- 
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:16:14 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.002610.24663@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>>	I don't remember if Rogue has ever tried to use her power on a telepath
>>of any sort, and in particular, a powerful one (ie Charles or Jean or Rachel or
>>Betsy)... I suspect that those with such a firm grasp on their self image that

>	She absorbed the powers of a semi-comatose Xavier in X-men 175. She
>would have gone nutty from reading all the thoughts in the county, but
>Cyke was able to help her using the techniques that Xavier taught him.

Ah, yes...now I remember... however, as you pointed out, she absorbed the 
abilities of a semi-comatose Xavier, not a alert and fully defensive Xavier...
I still wonder about her abilities to absorb his powers if we 

a) Did not want her too...and

b) WAS alert and able to defend himself.

Any comments?

David
From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Footnotes to SANCTUARY, DARE, LEGENDS o/t DARK KNIGHT, HULK
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:21:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>
>A few choice words on...
>
>LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT/"Faces":  This is, without a doubt, the worst
>thing of Matt Wagner's that I've ever read.  "Poor Nelson... A hapless
>victim of vanity, envy and a world that operated beyond his grasp."  Wow --
>A Quinn-Martin production!  Now if only we could get Karl Malden in a
>bat-suit...  
>

I think your feinting Wagner with damn praise.  I think it's still pretty
good stuff absolutely, if relative to his other work it's weaker.
I, too, felt that the "Poor Nelson" line stood out like a neon light, 
but only because there were few other such glitches.  I liked the
moodiness and the feel Wagner imparted; the only really silly point I
thought was Paul Darbanville's (sp?) deformity, since it added
virtually nothing to the story, only detracting from it.

d-
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||  |\__\___     Neuroscience Graduate Program and Center for Visual Science  
|| D||  |\__\                      University of Rochester                     
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From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC:  92 Preview
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:32:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.003258.21311
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <9204082251.AA03700@lynx.frame> jrd@frame.com (James Drew)  
writes:
> Gary Lewandowski (lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
> 
> >Martian Manhunter
> >It's set in 1960 [...] involving flying saucers and the cuban missile  
crisis.
> 
> Wasn't that 1962?  (October.  You know, with the JLA/JSA/All-Star  
Squadron
> cross-over.)


Yeah, but the JLA/JSA/All-Star story never happened because of the  
resulting time paradox.

Michael
J.
Winston
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:48:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr7.174847.29104
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr05.084144.72563@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>>
>
>When did Cyclops ever show any interest in Psylocke?????? (issue # please)
>This seems so strange! I see Jean and Scott hugging all the time. When DID
>Psyluck butt in?

Check the header it did say X-Men 8 did it not?
--
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 21:29:02 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
 <1992Apr13.215851.28966@tandem.com>

Kev makes some points in an earlier post about how ironic it seemed to him,
coming into the middle of this thread, that various X-Fans (myself included)
were complaining about a "Mature"-Type Storyline in a mutant book (the
Rogue/Gambit manipulative romance), when all a lot of us have been complaining
about is to get some Mature-Type Storylines in the mutant titles.

Well, I would gladly welcome Watchman-level storylines into X-Men (just so
long as Moore wasn't writing :-). My complaint was that the quasi-mature
storyline was being introduced to a character (Rogue) in a way that ignored
a sizable portion of her previous characterization. I would love a story
that dealt with Rogue being manipulated by some conniving bastard -- but
if this current Gambit one is it, it's a very badly put together one and
is being poorly handled.

*That's* the main complaint. At least from this terminal.

"Wuv. Troo *wuv*."  --Princess Bride



>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
David Henry/Rogue Fan Club/Chaos Anonymous (ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet)
                                          (ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu)
What was your question? --K //Thanks... for the memories. -- Rogue
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Force Annual
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:29:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

One thing I found interesting about the X-Force annual was the absence
of Boom-Boom, Domino, and Feral.  They weren't with X-Force when they
went to overthrow Mojo, and they weren't with the "current" team.  So,
what happened to them?  (Not that I missed them or anything.  As far as
I'm concerned, the three of them could disappear tomorrow and I really
wouldn't care, especially if they took Cable and Warpath with them.)
Any guesses?  (Hopefully involving the violent death of at least Feral,
whom I truly despise.  The other two are at least somewhat bearable at
times.)
From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Ninja High School and LUM URUSEI YATSURA
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:34:52 GMT



NHS was inspired by UY, but other than that there isn't
a whole lot like it out there.  But soon there will be: Ranma 1/2
will be translated by VIZ real soon now.  I've already got my orders
for the first two issues in.  Ranma is by the same writer/artist as
Urusei, and will be much smoother than the UY VIZ translated, as they
only translated her very first work in manga, and Ranma was published
years later.  I don't feel like trying to explain Ranma here, and it
reads better than it explains anyway.  Go out and buy the first issue
when it comes out and see for yourself.  If you like Ninja High and 
Urusei, you should like this.  Unless VIZ really messes up the colorization
anyway... 

Craig Jackson       -      Omniscient fool      -      omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Thor vs. Spidey
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:11:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

All right Defalco now you're really getting on my nerves!

    First you take away the true GOD of thunder and replace him with a mortal,
making him yet another of those muscle-bound-oafs that mean well characters
(how original!!).  Now you make this 3rd, no 5th class Thor take on Spider Man.

    Give me a break.  Maybe, this Thor doesn't have the thousands of years of
war and battle experience that the real Thor does, but Spidey is just way out
classed.  I'm tired of seeing Spidey overcome the most extreme impossible
every single time!  Comics aren't supposed to be realistic, but there's a
limit to how much fantasies can go!!!

    Now I implore you to take the true Thunder God out of that stupid garbage
bag in Hell!!

    Down with Defalco and Gruenwald!!!


    Bring back Simonson!!!

    
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From: adchen@hop.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Professor X (X-Men Cards)
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:20:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr7.205019.14253@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr6.220659.17742@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA
>(Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>|> If you read the inside of the discarded wrapper, it defines what
>Mental Level 6
>|> and Mental Level 7 are -- effectively, Level 6 is "multiple powerful psionic
>|> abilities".  Level 5 is "One single powerful psionic ability or a number of 
>|> weak psionic abilities" -- Storm is classified as a Level 5.  Level 7 is
>|> near-infinite mental power.  She kicked Chuck's butt in X-Men #136, as I
>|> recall.
>
>Sorry Jim, but the Prof' kicked Jean's (Phoenix's) butt in X-Men #136. Remeber
>Scott was talking Phoenix down when Charlie came out and attacked her. He beat
>her and put psionic locks (or whatever they called it) on her right before
>the Shi'ar beamed the X-Men up to their ship to rid the universe of Phoenix.
>I have to agree with the original post that Professor X should be rated higher
>than Jean Grey and maybe the same level of Phoenix.
>
>Now that I think about it, Dark Phoenix has been shown to be way more powerful
>that Rachel ever has... Charlie should be above the Rachel-Phoenix and the
>same level as Dark Phoenix.


Hmm, I think you are forget a little something.  Jean had not fully
transformed into the Dark Phoenix.  If you go back and re-read whichever
issue it was, you'll note that Prof X. only beat DPhoenix because the Jean
Grey-portion was holding back on the power.  Read the thought balloon for
Prof X. right after he puts the psionic circuit breakers on her.

I think Dark Phoenix, being the cosmic entity, at full power would squish
Xavier (as much I as I like the bald fella 8-) like a grape.


-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 23:26:40 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Traitor unknown to writers? I think not.....

No offense, Peter, but just because a writer introduces a plot thread
into a story doesn't necessarily mean that that writer really knows how
to resolve said plot thread. It's called having the story "write itself,"
and while it's usually used in reference to works with slightly more
characterization than the X-Men, it's possible that the mutant traitor
idea was just sort of a last minute, "Hey... Wait!" idea. Any editor worth
his salt, ignoring for the while whether Bob Harras qualifies as such, would
realize that this would be a quick, cheap way of keeping reader interest,
building suspense, and otherwise clogging helpless computer networks with
useless, Endless discussion on the matter. They can always manipulate things
later to decide who the X-Judas is.

Now, I obviously haven't been invited to the last couple of plotting sessions
on the X-titles, so I don't know what's going on in the X-creators' little
minds. But it certainly isn't beyond possibility that Lobdell right now really
*doesn't* know who the X-Judas is.

Which, if it is true, only adds weight to my original plea of oh-so-many-weeks
ago to not clog the net with useless speculation without basis of clues to go
by. And the rest of you can now go on gleefully ignoring said reqest. :-)

"Yeah! And... and next time, it'll be loaded!" --Richard Darwin
                                                 Richard Darwin #4