From: porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu (Paul A. Orphanos)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: why the Dead can't play at Red Rocks
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:46:16 GMT
Organization: Microelectronics Lab, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

In article <1992Jul23.162308.10911@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, rob@cygnus.com (Rob Savoye) writes:
|> 
|>   The reason the Dead can't play Red Rocks anymore is because of the 
|> deadheads.
...
|>   The other reason is that the Morrison Town Council all went to Telluride
|> afterwards and when they saw how respectfully Telluride was treated they lost
|> it. I mentioned several times that Telluride offered free camping -- out
|> of town and handed out free trash bags, which helped considerably. Anyway,
|> their feeling was "F*#$ deadheads, if they can trash Morrison but clean up
|> Telluride, let'm suffer !@!@!!" I pleaded that they only needed to change
|> the way they deal with deadheads (like Telluride) but like most folks, they
|> couldn't see the error in their ways.
...
|> 	- rob -

Red Rocks and Telluride were totally different in terms of the scene. I remember
that at Red Rocks, there were ALOT of people without tickets, but everyone was being
told you would'nt be allowed into Telluride without tickets to keep the ticketless
hordes away. However, some friends of mine went anyway, and found that many tickets 
were placed on sale at the venue the day before the show (unannounced, of course).
The message did get through though, and the place was not overrun with miracle-seekers.

Telluride offered free camping down the road from town, and also offered 
camping right next to the park for a very reasonable rate (I think it was $10
per site for both days). Also, at Telluride, I clearly remember Bill G. riding
around his Harley, and talking to all of us about why the Dead were allowed
to be there. It took a town referendum, and cleansliness was a prerequisite
of approval. We were informed of that when we drove into town (there's only one way
into the box canyon, unless you've got 4WD and a death-wish to go over the mountains).

Telluride set things up so that it would be clean: you parked the car on the edge of
town, and took a bus to the campsite (next to the park...easiest access to a venue I've
EVER had, and I got 4th row both nights because they had a separate line in for people
at the campground!!!), so people would'nt be driving around for the two days, and
as I said we were TOLD to keep it clean (given garbage bags, and drop-off points, etc.).

At Red Rocks, there was no camping within a few miles of the place, and the US Park
Service folks kicked us out within an hour of the show ending, so everyone was driving
in and out every night (we'd drive until we found a good mountain, pull the car over,
climb it, and camp...what a trip). Also, there were big problems with hot-shot rock
climbers trying to climb into the venue. I remember looking up at the rocks to see
people playing cat and mouse with park rangers dangerously close to a 50-75 foot fall
onto us. So I do think the heads did ruin Red Rocks. Also, remember that Telluride
was a 7-8 hour drive from Denver, a long-haul for the ticketless hordes.

later,
paul

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Paul A. Orphanos                          pao0@lehigh.edu
Microelectronics Research Laboratory      porphano@calvin.sfc.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.
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