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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DoD in Newfoundland UPDATE:
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:42:16 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday August 13 1992 10:55, Craig Hamm wrote to All:

 CH>         So, if all you gurly-men (said with typical Arnold accent)
 CH>         don't get off your smooth little gurly hineys, I will start
 CH>         my own tribe of Ultimate Doom and Destruction (or maybe a
 CH> reading society!).  Maybe if you sissys stopped dragging your feet under
 CH>         your pegs, and took the air filter out of your butt, you see
 CH> what an eeeeeeeeevil denizen of D I could be.  Like a beacon of the DoD,
 CH> standing up for, er, ummm, ahhhh, hmmmm ? (or whatever?)

You still haven't figured it out, eh? Until you do, whine all you want.
And remain DoD#-less. And make all the pleading threats you wish, since
they simply reveal your unfitness in any case.

While you're at it, please flame this post. You are sorely in need of both
improving your aim and the burning temperature of your work. Right now, it
would freeze Satan solid on his own home field.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RESULT: rec.motorcycles.harley passes 362:47
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:19:29 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <3987.2A930D2F@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

|> P.S. If a J. Hamilton voted no in the vote, s/he was either an impostor,
|> or the post of a no vote did not originate from my machine, as one may
|> easily assertain. :-)


PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY 
PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY PUBLIC APOLOGY 

(Well, the few situations where, through the decades, I did something wrong,
and thus had the _opportunity_ to apologize publicly, I'd better make something of it)

Let it be known to the world at large, to you Harley Davidson riders and 
nonhumans, to you buzzsaw riders and wheel_at_the_end_of_the_straight-spinners,
to you dipsticks, Daughters of Democracies, you cuties, you ex-bouncers, 
gojims and 'roids', you honorary Dads of Harley riders, and all of the rest
of you folks out there, that I, Konrad Michael Weigl, of teutonic descent,
on that day, Aug. 19, 0089, did wrong unto a member of the K*w*s*k*-tribe in 
good standing, and therefore and hereupon do pledge to abstain from hunting 
members of aforementioned tribe for as long as I can stand it, which is- 
eh- hm, 20 minutes???


Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what kind of oil needed for winter storage??
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it.
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <viking.714189157@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu
(Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> 
|> . . . Once the riding season is
|> over, I park the bike, drain the fuel, remove the battery, and there she
|> sits for four months.  Why change the oil?  I can see it if you have
|> water in it or something, but I don't.  I just leave it, though I
|> have been known to fire it up once a month or so to get oil circulating
|> through the block.

Please don't do this to your motorcycle.  Used oil *has* water and 
acids in it.  That's not much of a problem when your motorcycle is 
being used regularly, but when it's just sitting there those acids and
water are doing bad things to the insides of the engine.  Firing it up
once a month or so makes it worse.  If you don't run the engine long 
enough to get it to operating temperature for a while (like riding it
over 5-10 miles.) the combution products (acid and water and other
nasty things) pollute the oil even more. 

For long term storage of your motorcycle, its oil should be fresh and 
completely unused.  After changing the oil before storage, it's a good 
idea to crank the engine over a few times to get the new oil distributed, 
but do it with the plugs disconnected so no new combustion products are 
introduced to the oil.

After sitting all season in the engine, the new oil is still reasonably 
new, so I don't change it until it's been used a month or a couple 
thousand miles, whichever comes first.

Ron Miller posted an excellent treatise on motorcycle storage a while 
back.  Maybe it's time for a re-posting.  Ron?   

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
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From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: The Mythic Biker
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:20:17 GMT
Organization: Dancing on Doomsday


"The Sound - the sounds - were as familiar as the blare of Heimdall's horn; the 
deep drumroll of Michael's Harley, and orchestrating the air around it, a sharp 
staccato bark that must be Dave's Triton, and Belly's Sportster with the 
echoing metallic note of its exhaust, and more, the crackling pulse of an 
Indian Sport Scout and the purr and growl and thunder of other machines.  The 
roaring intensified, then stuttered to silence.  There was a lull, like the 
pause when men catch their breath in battle, then a crash, the shattered door 
was flung aside, and Odin and seven of Michael's biker bros burst through.  His 
men formed up behind him, boot and buck knives and chain belts already in hand, 
faces fixed alike in wolfish grins.  Freyja recognized them; she had seen their 
kind on many a battlefield, and indeed as she looked from one to another, it 
seemed to her that she knew the spirits that glared from their eyes.  Who had 
they been?  Svipdag or Sigurd, Ragnar or Harald - she knew them, the Einheriar 
who feasted in Odin's hall."  -- Diana Paxson, BRISINGAMEN


----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
DoD#5913	AMA#624549      
"And they ride, and they ride/ And the White Hounds run beside/ And they'll
seize the night and shake it by the throat."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:22:22 GMT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>Usually I just lay on the sofa with a cool wash cloth on my forehead and my
>feet up a bit until the urge goes away.

Fortunatly, I haven't been bothered by this nasty urge too often. Why
bother cleaning the chain, it's only going to get dirty again. Sure,
clean the rest of the bike, but chains are supposed to be oily, messy,
sticky, grotty things.

>I have 17,000 + miles on the chain and it still has a few miles left.  The
>kerosene can't be hurting it too much.  

19,000+ miles here, and due for an adjustment after 2200 miles to the
GPNDG & back, but it seems to have a lot of life left in it. It's the
stock o-ring chain, and has received a careful mix of PJ-1 Blue Label,
a handful of slack adjustments, and general neglect. The sprockets look
fine on both ends too, though there was a nice collection of spooge
behind the countershaft sprocket cover.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: RE Mr. Small
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:24:27 GMT


In a previous article, jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) says:

>
>In a previous article, shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) says:
>
>>No wonder so many people want to limit access at educational
>>institutions.  Does anyone else think that school seems to start
>>earlier every year?
>>
>Oh, I'm soooooooo sorry Mary Shafer.  I guess I haven't had a chance to 
>get a nice job at NASA.  I must not be worthy of such an esteemed
>organization.  An organization that would rather kill 7 people than
>take the bad PR that comes with halting a shuttle launch when it was
>know before hand that the O-rings were bad.
>
>:-)
>
>An idiotic reply to an idiotic comment.

BTW, please do not assume that Mr. Small or super dickhead idiot
maggot-brain pus-sack (AKA Roger) have a friend here.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Hard-soled shoes/boots
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:15:42 GMT

In article <16eg7rINN2ed@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> Not hit, slide against.  Leather boots protect your toesies the same
> way a leather jacket protects your arms.  Also, boots ensure that the
> protection will not come flying off your foot in a crash.

Last year in the rain I stopped to help a motorcyclist that had been
caged while sitting at a red light.  He was rear-ended and thrown about
20 feet.  One 11" tall boot stayed on and the other was pulled off.  He
was wearing open finger gloves, a denim jacket, jeans and an open face
helmet.  His Yamaha was toast but he was unhurt.

So much for over-the-ankle boots staying on when you get tossed...

- Roid
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Current Harley Craze and Women
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:11:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5657@rtsg.mot.com, declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>
>Right now, there aren't a lot
>of motorcyclists I'd consider to be jerks ( I have seen a few), 

Pick up a copy of "Motorcyclist."

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Photo Radar
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:42:48 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Tuesday August 18 1992 17:52, Curt Gates wrote to All:

 >> would the judge have thrown the
 >> case out, asked Mr. Bob to hand the ticket to me, or what?

 CG> Nobody will ever know.  Most highway radars indicate the highest speed
 CG> in its field of view.  If there is more than one vehicle in view, the
 CG> officer has to determine which vehicle is going at that speed.  Some
 CG> cops are careful about how they set up their trap, so it sees only one
 CG> vehicle at a time.  Other cops are not as careful.  When it is your word
 CG> against that of an the officer, guess who a judge tends to believe.  It
 CG> was definitely a lucky day for both of you.

Like I said before, the ticket would have been issued to Mr. Bob because he
crested the hill first. The officer was very clear that CVC required him to
give just one ticket, and that ticket had to be to the lead vehicle if two
were close together at apparently the same speed.

Besides, Curt, that wasn't my question you answered.

As for who the judge believes, he's believed me more times than the police
officer, so I really do feel lucky. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for RKOU)
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:35:21 GMT

In article <BD.92Aug18101314@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>I notice that you qualify the last segment of this by saying that motorcycles
>can stop btter than the average cager in the average cage.  
>                        ^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^
>
>I have been reading conflicting reports lately - some say that bikes stop 
>in less space than cars, some say that they stop in more space.  I know 
>that there is tremendous variation in stopping distances among cars and 
>motorcycles, but what are the averages?

Dunno about the averages for sure,  but I'd venture a guess that
with a skilled rider/driver, stopping distance averages would be 
similar for cages and bikes, perhaps with a slight advantage to the 
cages...

>When in a line of traffic, do I have to worry more about hitting the car 
>in front if it comes to a quick stop, or do I have to worry more about 
>being rear-ended if I come to a quick stop?  Since I've been rear-ended 
>in a cage twice in the last 
>few years (both times when I was at a complete stop, once to turn left, 
>and once at a light, both times the other driver was looking at something 
>besides the road), I am pay a fair amount of attention to what's 
>happening behind me (although there wasn't anything I could do either 
>time in my rear-endings as I was boxed in, although I probably could've 
>avoided at least one of them if I had been on the morotcycle instead of 
>in the cage).

I would worry about both and hitting and being hit while on
your bike.  Chances are that you can out-brake most of the 
cars on the road if you are trained or practice such things.
The advantage motorcycles have is that often their riders (at 
least with a crew such as here on rec.mc) are aware of the 
braking abilities of their vehicles for safety reasons.
Your average Joe-Cager in his/her/its minivan or Volvo
would probably have a dismal reaction time and braking 
ability.  The odds are evening out now with many cars being
equipped with "stomp 'em and forget 'em" ABS.

I wouldn't worry about rear-ending a car due to superior braking
unless you're following too closely or you are riding marginally
closely behind, say an Acura NSX :-)

I personally still worry more about being hit from behind by
a clueless bonehead.

>Do motorcycles stop faster than cars?
Can't generalize this much, however with even a mildly performance
oriented vehicle I'd give the advantage to the cage.  You just
can't beat the traction provided by four big contact patches...


Steve

-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Gorgeous customized Hawk (was Re: Gonna take the plunge)
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:18:52 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <16p1lgINNnio@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> scooper@cse.ucsc.edu (Scott Cooper) writes:
>
>	Okay, I'm finally going to bite the bullet and buy a bike, and I'm
>going to make it a good one.  I got alot of helpful response to a previous
>post, mostly to the effect that the Honda Hawk is a cool bike, but 
>since then I have fallen for the Kawi EX500.

The EX500 is a good bike, but the other day I saw a G O R G E O U S
customized Hawk.  I thought Hawks were standards, but this Hawk had
full custom-painted deep blue fairings, double headlights, white rims,
rotors on both wheels, a blinking LED (I thought, "Yeah, right, a poser
expensive alarm system"), and a perimeter-sensing alarm (Deep male voice:
"This vehicle is alarmed.  Please step away.")  In other words, it looked
every inch a sportbike.  The only clue I had that it wasn't was that
the speedo and tach had separate housings like standard bikes.

So pardon me for staying away from Hondas, but isn't the Hawk a
standard?  If so, has anybody done these mods on the Hawk?  It was
such a beautiful bike.
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
   mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
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From: parker@mprgate.mpr.ca (Ross Parker)
Subject: Corbin seat is here!
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:13:31 GMT

Well, after over *12* weeks of waiting, the Corbin seat I ordered for my
FJ1200 has just arrived.

The extra-long time is due to the seat being custom-built, though even then,
Corbin was suggesting 6-8 weeks. Don't believe it.

The seat for the most part looks good, though the base is pretty shitty.
I don't know what kind of material it is that Corbin uses on the base, but
one of the mounting bolts is loose (it should be 'welded' into the base),
and there's little chips of the stuff flaking off in places. This isn't what
I expect to see after spending big bucks on a seat. No big deal, as some
good epoxy will fix it, but still...

It's also about 3 times heavier than the stock seat.

I tried it on the bike, though, and it feels good. Corbin didn't faithfully
follow the drawings I gave them, but the end result seems ok. First ride
will have to wait until the weekend...

Ross

-- 
Ross Parker           |                            | DoD# 1188   KotHFJ
MPR Teltech Ltd.      | You can't erase the dream, | '88 FJ1200
Burnaby, B.C., Canada | You can only wake me up... | parker@mprgate.mpr.ca
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Joust pictures?
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:47:32 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command


where any joust pictures Gif-itized and ceritos-itized?

Any RCR?

-- 
I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Warning! "Fuck" and "Shit" appear in this article
Keywords: horns
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:15:16 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <4c#n8bq.shoun@netcom.com> shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:
>I almost forgot to ask my question. I'm trying to decide what horn to get.
>Everyone seems to have Fiamms but I was wondering about Spagthorpe
>Electronics. The two most suitable horns for a bike are the Spagthorpe
>Conure and the Cockatoo. Does anyone know which is louder? And is there
>any mail order supply for these horns? Road Rider is out of stock and
>they don't know when they will be getting any.

I would think that the Spagthorpes' unique 19 VAC electrics, and weird
3-wire horn circuit would make this more hassle than it's worth to adapt
to another bike.  The yelping of the horns on my old Spagthorpe Whippet
was most impressive though.
--

P.M. Smith
From: jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dents in Tanks
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:28:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: dud@cbnewsf.cb.att.com's message of 12 Aug 92 14:12:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.141211.13863@cbfsb.cb.att.com> dud@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (William F. Dudley Jr.) writes:
   From article <BstxJy.CBq@apollo.hp.com>, by heff@ki.ch.apollo.hp.com (God of Thunder):
   > 
   > I've got a small dent in the side of my gas tank that I'd like gone,
   > but a replacement tank new is $400, and a replacement tank (used) doesn't
   > seem to exist that's in decent condition.
   > 
   > I've heard that normal auto body shops have vacuum tools that
   > can pop out small dents, but other people have given me advice
   > saying that it's not worth it, because of rupture/leak risk.
   > 
   A buddy (whom I respect) told me that you can remove dents in gas tanks
   BY FILLING THE TANK WITH WATER AND FREEZING IT !

   Anybody want to try this and let me know what happens?  I've been
   too chicken.

   Bill Dudley - Norton Commando, CB400F, CB550F, BSA Thunderbolt - AMA 194723

The only problem with this is that you have little control as to where
force is applied unless you are dealing with a nice sphere. I deemed
this too risky...at least the idea of filling the tank up with water
via garden hose until the dents come out. At 30psi, that is a lot of
total stress on the tank. Don't know about freezing it though....
--
Jonathan Polito                                      DoD #x (K 100)
jep@cs.duke.edu                                  jpolito@encore.com 
              "You Don't Say...." --- Sylvia Plath
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: RE: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip Off
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:54:57 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

There's apparently a lot that goes into setting insurance rates.  I was
feeling smug that I, as an almost ex-thirtysomething divorced male living
in the midwest, paid only $70 per year for full coverage (except medical)
on Gretchen, and $35 per year for liability only on Harvey.  Well, I just
got off the phone with my insurance agent and the object of my Ducatilust
(a new RED 750 SS) will be a bit more.
  
Through Dairyland (who covers Gretch and Harv) the rate is over $600 per
year and through Universal Underwriters it drops to $313 per year.  "It's 
a performance bike," she said, as if that explained everything.  The 
difference in replacement cost can explain some of it, but am I more 
likely to wrap a Ducati around a tree than a BMW?  I think not; probably 
less likely, since the Ducati handles *much* better than the BMW (not 
that Gretchen handles poorly, but she felt positively ponderous after 
the 750SS).

There is *much* variation from company to company.  Last year my fiancee 
was quoted $165 per year on her '82 Honda 450 from USAA and Dairyland 
charged $40 per year (liability only from both).  It pays to shop around. 

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
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