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From: scoggin@daisy.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Re: ref: When Oh When...
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company, Newark DE
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:11:42 GMT

In article <00959174.C3744AA0.2783@uc780.umd.edu> "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UC780.BITNET> writes:
>The problem with Vines TCP routing that I'd like to see resolved
>is that of a Vines server being unable to route between two TCP networks or
>subnetworks even though it is aware of both networks or subnetworks.
>
>For example though a Vines server is aware of PC/TCP on one of its interfaces
>and TCP Unix box on another, a ping from will not work between them unless the
>path to PC/TCP is specified in TCP Unix box's routing table.  This happens
>regardless of the operation of ICMP, ARP or RARP on the Vines server.
>
>As I understand it, a full implementation of RIP or OSPF would allow the Vines
>server to automatically route between the two boxes above.
>
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> |                       Elliott Coates, washington dc                        |
> |             coates@uc780.umd.edu        coates@uc780.bitnet                |
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AMEN!  We at Delmarva Power complained about this problem over TWO YEARS AGO
while we were at Banyan HQ.  Even spoke to some software engineering types.

Banyan has one of several problems:
	1)  They are too busy making partnerships to write code anymore; or
	2)  The TCP/IP option is just a sop for the DOD types; or
	3)  They are totally clueless when it comes to routing.
(Pick one or more of the above)

We have any open problem right now on a server which is homed on two different 
subnets...

	- John

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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:56:07 PDT
From:         JAMES=NEARING%50%WPNSTAC@FS.NWSCON.SEA06.NAVY.MIL
Subject:      re: Wierd STDA problem
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

You said pressing F2 does not bring up STDA, but rather the user's
addressbook.  Does that happen to just that user, or all users?

What does your !SETSTDA string look like in the profile?
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:01:31 CDT
From:         Susan=Beebe%NET%CVM@VETMED.CVM.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Trumpet and 3Com 3C503 packet driver
X-To:         Banyan-l@akronvm.UAkron.edu

I have tried to get trumpet to work using version 7, version 9 and version 10
of the 3c503 packet driver with no success...once I load the cabletron packet
driver for banyan (csiban.exe) I am not able to get to my newsreader...

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Susan Beebe
College of Veterinary Medicine
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
s-beebe@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:34:58 EDT
From: Randy Carraghan <RMC100@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject:    Does Banyan run on Gateway 486/33 EISA?

Does anyone know if the Gateway 486/33 EISA machine can be set up as a
Banyan Vines server?

Any idea of the approximate performance penalty between 3Com's 8-bit
EtherLink II TP and their 16-bit EtherLink 16 TP cards?  Has Banyan added
the latter to its PCCONFIG adapter list?  Would an EISA Ethernet card be
a wise purchase for the above fileserver, or would it be overkill for a
15-station network?

Thanks for any help!

Randy
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:33:00 PDT
From:         Robertson@SSC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      VINES and the Mac
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Not exactly sure what you're trying to do here:  get a DOS machine to run a
Mac program (not possible under the best of conditions)?  Or just get Macs
setup to use macmail and the utils programs.  Both of these require that
you've put the VINES init in the system folder and rebooted, then in chooser
login to VINES to get authenticated, and then finally try running either mail
or utils.  That should work.

Physically, you have a DaynaTalk card in your file server, and have configured
and started AppleTalk, right?  Can you connect via normal AppleShare chooser
choices to file volumes on that server?  (Remember, connecting via the VINES
chooser doc only sets you up to run mail and utils; it does NOT do any kind of
SETDRIVE in your profile to mount volumes on the Mac desktop - for that you
use the regular appleshare chooser doc to pick a server then a file service.)
Too bad they loose the VINES non-server orientation for resources (on DOS you
don't need to know which server a file service is on to connect to it, but on
the Macs you do).

Contact me directly if you're still having troubles.

- Bruce Robertson, Senior Editor, LA Labs
    Network Computing Magazine
    Phone: 310 206-9059
    FAX: 310 825-4936
    Internet: robertson@ssc.sscnet.ucla.edu

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From: Gerald=Langiewicz%Staff%SS-GradLab%PHOBIA.SS.UCI.EDU@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject:      VINES and the Mac
To: Multiple recipients of list BANYAN-L <BANYAN-L@AKRONVM>

Does anybody have any experience with VINES and the Mac?

From a dos machine I can create and delete folders, but I can't run the MAC
Mail or the utilities. I am using a dynaTalk card hooked to one Mac.  Any
Ideas ????

thanks
gerald
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:13:36 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UC780.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: SETSTDA in profile

tom%netadmin%css@bdrc-banyan.med.unc.edu writes:

>I am having an intermittant problem where users can't load STDIRECT, or
>in mail they don't get the nice list.  I usually "bounce" my master
>STDA service and it all comes back.

>Would this profile command help?  How can I find out more about it?

!setstda allows admins to force a user to use stda services from a
particular server.  if that server doesn't say it's ok for that user to use its
stda services - if the server is say... too busy - that user will get no stda
service.

Server busy may be the problem your people are having.  You may want to up
comm buffers, balance disk, balance servers, rewire, any number of things to
counter server(s) busy.

Setting !setstda in our immediate 600 node lan improved stda performance.
STDA failed to come up and show its data far fewer times.  It also limits net
traffic in that if you set the user to nearby stda services, their packets
don't go flying all over the place in search of.  The service ususally comes
up from the server targeted by !setstda when the user tries the second time.

For 4.1X the documentation comes in its own pamphlet seperate from the admin
reference.

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 |                       Elliott Coates, washington dc                        |
 |             coates@uc780.umd.edu        coates@uc780.bitnet                |
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:42:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Xircom adapters
              14 Apr 1992 15:28:16 EDT

Greg,

I put in an order today for a Xircom External Ethernet Adapter.  I plan on
using it to hook up a Swan 386SX-25MHz notebook to our LAN.  I don't
anticipate any problems.  If any do occur, I'll let you know.  Xircom has a
wide range of products in both the Ethernet and Token Ring Families.  The
Sales Department can be reached at (800) 874-7875.  Fax number is (818) 878
7630.  Their response to my phone call requesting literature was fairly
speedy--approx.  1 week.

If you need/want any additional information, call me direct at (814) 863-7506.


Robert E. Brydia (REB100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU)
Network Manager
The Pennsylvania Transportation Institute
The Pennsylvania State University
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:59:52 EDT
From:         Gordon=Larrivee%NsgAdm%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
Subject:      re: exporting mail to a (database?)file
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

In a similar vein; I use MFolder from Netpro and on a periodic basis and
'Archive' folders to a file. I have been considering something like Zyindex to
manage the files...
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 Gordon Larrivee, M.S., R.N. *  CNS Nursing Informatics
 UMass Medical Center  Worcester, MA 01655  * (508) 856-0011
 larrivee@umassmed.bitnet * larrivee@umassmed.ummed.edu
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:53:32 PDT
From:         CARL=ROBINSON%50%WPNSTAC@FS.NWSCON.SEA06.NAVY.MIL
Subject:      re: ABUi conference
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ugh!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:32:03 EDT
From:         SOHIER_DANNY%CTI%ULAVAL@CAMPUS.ULAVAL.CA
Subject:      LOST IN TIME

Hey faithful non-Abui goers...

Got a small problem,  one of our 14 servers is two hours back off the correct
time.  I tried changing the time on it  but it keeps on saying that the
service is not responding ???!!!##$#???*%%$#@

I told this to my VAR two days ago but I still didn't receive a response, so
what's up?  any ideas?


Thanks in advance.

Lost in time

Danny Sohier
Laval University
DSOHIER@Cti.ulaval.ca
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:41:12 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject:      re: great guidebook from FTP Software
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Greg,

My comments to Bruce were in no way intended to be malicious.  They WERE
intended to be humerous (witness the use of (g)).  I'm sorry you took offense.
If Bruce takes offense, I apologize to him as well.  I do think you are
over-reacting.  Believe me, if you want to see malicious verbage, you should
check out BanForum on CIS sometime.  Howz that saying go "If you can't take
the heat...." (g) (g) (g)!  Seriously, just joking.

Mike Crist
TRW Space & Technology Group
Redondo Beach, CA
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:17:19 EDT
From:         "Jeffrey G. Brown" <usr0377a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      re: UNIX box on VINES
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

No, we're not using the Banyan mail hotkey feature. I meant a hotkey
out to DOS. Sorry about the confusion.

I'm familiar with PopNET. Is TSRMail commercial or shareware? If
commercial, do you have an address or phone number for Robert Laird?

Thanks again...
Jeffrey G. Brown
usr0377a@tso.uc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:21:11 EDT
From:         "Jeffrey G. Brown" <usr0377a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      re: UNIX box on VINES
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

My thanks to Ian and everyone else who has contributed to this thread.
We have opted to go with the Banyan IP router and IBANYAN solution.
This may not be the highest-performance solution, but it appears that it
will meet our basic requirements.

A few more questions...

 1) After loading the Banyan native drivers, IBANYAN, and TN.EXE on a
 640K PC, is there enough space left over to hotkey out to mail? If not,
 are there mail clients with a smaller memory footprint that anyone
 cares to recommend?

 2) I assume that the telnet application provides terminal emulation.
 What terminal(s) does it emulate?

 3) Are there other telnet applications, preferably with a smaller
 memory footprint than TN.EXE, that anyone can recommend?

Thanks again to all. This list is an absolutely invaluable resource to
those of us out here in the trenches.

Jeffrey G. Brown
usr0377a@tso.uc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:41:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Planning a new campus net
              4 Apr 1992 10:12:34 WST

Why do they want to talk only to single campus community colleges?
Couldn't they glean yseful information from anyone running a net?


REB100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:33:43 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UC780.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: exporting mail to a (database?)file

I dial in to my school, U "Muurlind"  [presently the scene of a meningitis
death. Oh wow, what about this headache I'm getting.  My rantings on GUI's
prove I'm fervered.  :-) ]  to read the list.

But anyway, I can search my files on the host I dial into or I download 'em and
use grep to search 'em at home.

I've been considering AskSam or ZyIndex to further organize the messages.

(Yeah! for free-form databases.)

In lieu of aforementioned database packages, I wrote a C program which searches
each message I download for the subject line and then prints said subject line
with its raw dos downloaded filename. (This name is diiferent from the subject
line or message number when I'm actually reading banyan-l messages.)

I can then read all or some messages I've downloaded on a given topic.

(BTW, I download a bulk of messages at any one time using wildcards on the host
and receiver ends.)

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:45:13 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UC780.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Apple loses "look & feel" lawsuit

Yip, Yip!

The fundamental concept underlying the Apple and Microsoft GUI can not be
patented as per tradition in patent law.  This was the same fundamental concept
at the basis of the Xerox PARC SPARC.  The fundamental concept can not be
patented not because it came from Xerox PARC but because it is an approach and
not the expression of an approach.

Yeah to GUI's!  Yeah more to cheaper GUI's, including GEO.

As a matter of fact I like the Windows look and feel *better* than Apples.
The menu bars are better and it has pop down menus where one doesn't have to
hold down the mouse button to read the menu (which is drag and drop).

Banyan's present Windows interface, e.g. Vines Messages (which includes send),
printer attachment, drive attachment and more is pretty nice and smooth.  This
is even more so as STDA is integrated with Vines Window's functionality.

(Get a sound board if you haven't already.  3.1 hooks well into them.)

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 |                       Elliott Coates, washington dc                        |
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:56:24 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UC780.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Planning a new campus net

REB100%PSUVM.BITNET@uc780.umd.edu writes:

>Why do they want to talk only to single campus community colleges?
>Couldn't they glean yseful information from anyone running a net?

Maybe they should be talking *mostly* to single campus community colleges.

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:33:47 CDT
From:         David=Blair%Staff%UIUC=CMC@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: Communications
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I assume that you have a modem that you want to share on the network,
otherwise "regular" procomm will work fine.  I have not used the LAN version
of procomm, but I have since a demo and it worked good.  Make sure that you
get Procomm Plus Lan V2.01.  It is much improved over the initial version.


"Though Complexity their is Simplicity, Though Simplicity their is Complexity"

     -David L. Blair, 1982

David L. Blair
Network Administrator
University of Illinois
College of Communications
Voice:  (217)-333-2565,  Fax: (217)-333-7151
e-mail: davidb@uiuc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:51:17 EDT
From:         Gregory=Martin%DPNET=Mgt%DP@DPNET.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: LaserJetIIIsi and QMS
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I believe the new NEC Silentwriter 95 will also switch between PCL5 and
Postscript automatically.

\Greg Maritn
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:31:36 EDT
From:         Thomas=C.=Gray%NetAdmin%CSS@BDRC-BANYAN.MED.UNC.EDU
Subject:      Help me with ORACLE
X-To:         Banyan-L@VM1.cc.uakron.edu

It's a miracle!

My boss wants us to change from Advanced Revelation to Oracle.
We have a 5 server vines network, 4 80386 machines and 1 80486 33mhz
server.  The 80486 has just been added and will be the major
database server.

Given the fact that we are a university, what is the MINIMUM software
configuration you folks would recommend?

Thanx!
Tom Gray
Network Administrator
(919) 966-1826
(919) 966-1844 fax
tom%netadmin%css@bdrc-banyan.med.unc.edu
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Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 07:49:46 EDT
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP105@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Win 3.1 drivers

I just installed Windows 3.1 and ame very pleased with the results...but when
I went to print, I got a UAE that wasn't a UAE...Ironicaly, I was trying to
print Network.Wri.  After trying several times and failing to print this
file, I flipped through it.  In the Banyan section, it says "If you are having
problems printing from Vines 4.1x, call banyan for an updated vines.drv"

Well, I plan to call Banyan, but I was wondering if there was anywhere I could
download/ftp this file.  Currently windows has been rendered useless (except
for those nifty new sounds) because I can't print.  Isn't this something that
should have been tested before the release?  The driver shipped with windows 3.
1 is the *IDENTICAL* (date, time and size) driver used for win 3.0. Sigh...


Jeffrey S. Payne        JSP105@PSUVM(.psu.edu)
Penn State Ogontz Campus / Woodland Computer Center

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
    -A.C. Clarke,Murphy,Jean-Luc Picard, and other significant intellects
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:38:05 EDT
From:         Gregory=Martin%DPNET=Mgt%DP@DPNET.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject: Re: Server and Tape Drive Selection
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

David,

>$8000 and change seems a little high for a server.  I have an identical
>configuration, except my system is a desktop unit not a tower.  I paid
>$6700 for a

>        486 33 MHz
>        16Mb RAM
>        660Mb SCSI Hard Drive w/5yr warr
>        Mono VGA
>        Adaptec 154xB SCSI HD Controller, Busmastering (Great Controller)
>        3Com 3C507 Network Interface Card
>        5.25" & 3.5" Floppy Drive
>        Wangtek (Banyan) External 320/525Mb SCSI Tape Drive
>        ISA Bus

Question:  How does the Bus mastering SCSI controller work?  I thought
you had to have an EISA bus to do bus mastering.


>...If you do get an EISA bus machine, get
>the Novell NE3200 Network Card.  The reason its a 32bit BUSMASTERING EISA
>Card,

If you have SCSI controller doing bus mastering, can you also have a NIC
doing the same?  Could you explain bus mastering?

>...the Racial Lan is only fast DMA, ie. fast but not that much faster for
>    -David L. Blair, 1982

I've heard of *racial* LANs, but never seen someone openly admit to its
existence before.  :-)

\Greg Martin
Greg@dpnet.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:18:33 -0700
From:         Alan Smith <alans@CORAL.USACE.MIL>
Subject:      Re: ORACLE ON A VINES OR A SUN BOX ??
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              "ORACLE ON A VINES OR A SUN BOX ??" (Apr  9, 11:40)

Danny (et al.);
   We've had Oracle for Vines around for quite a while (along with Oracle
on a PC running Interactive UNIX and on a MIPS R3000 based mini.) Given the
high demand on resources by an active Oracle instance, I'd always choose to
put it on the most powerful platform that you can afford. In your case,
that'd be the Sun workstation rather than the PC Vines server. The Oracle
for Vines product fits in situations where the Vines server is the ONLY
Oracle multiuser server in that location.

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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:15:35 EDT
From:         Gregory=Martin%DPNET=Mgt%DP@DPNET.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: TCP/IP
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Woodie, What do you mean when you say "we lose the SMTP Gateway"?  Does it go
inoperative? Or does it just stop working?  I believe if you have your VINES
IP interface working (So you can run IBanyan at a PC and successfully reached
things on the outside of your network) you've proven the TCP/IP configuration
of your server.  At that point, I'd start looking for other reasons the getway
is failing (Check Domain Name settings, ensure host id is assigned to ethernet
card, not vines ip, make sure your default gateway is assigned and reachable)

\Greg Martin
Greg@dpnet.hq.af.mil
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