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From: grob@chorus.fr (Lori S. Grob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: flying airlines in financial distress
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:57:37 GMT

When I travel I take an airline that I think will remain in
business until I return from my trip.  I don't consider it
part of my role as a business traveller to bolster airlines
in trouble. Why not? Here are two examples.

One: I have a friend who went down to Lima to
take care of some family business a few years ago.
While he was down there, the airline that he had a ticket
on, Eastern, stopped flying. He was left with a worthless
ticket and no way home. The only other flights back to the
the US were on LAN Chile which was booked and over booked 
for weeks in advance. Everyday for around a week he would
head out to the airport and try and get on a plane. Promises
of confirmed seats were worthless. There were alots of people
holding Eastern tickets trying to get back to the USA. 
Finally he was able to take regional flights up to Florida
and then home. And of course his family was extremely concerned
the whole time.

The fact that if your airline stops flying, another airline may
honor your ticket is only helpful if you are flying were
there is more capacity then ticket holders. If you have
to buy a more expensive ticket or series of tickets to get
 home, the fact that you may eventually be reimbursed for your
 original (cheaper) ticket is not so helpful.

Two:
I have been stranded several times when an airline that
I was flying on wasn't flying at that time because of either
financial problems, strikes or security incidents. There is
nothing quite like that anxious feeling of calling airlines
and going down to the airport to see if you can get out, followed
up in the worst case by trying to see if you can get a train
to somewhere where you can catch a flight home.  Then you get to
 call your family and say you will not be home as scheduled but
will let them know either when you arrange a flight or when you
 arrive in X (next nearest city with an airport). 

Its probably different domestically where you have more than one
airline flying the major routes, but internationally there are
enough uncertainties that I have no control over. I vote for the
 airlines most likely to be able to get me home. 


L.S. Grob
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6 avenue Gustave Eiffel			fax   +33-1-30-57-00-66	
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: Floppy disks in checkin or carry-on baggage
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:25:12 GMT

In article <21881@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>I have a friend that will be taking a few floppy disks
>(with useful files on them!) on an international flight.
>Might the files get zapped somehow by the xrays that scan

I have taken my Mac with the same set of floppies through the  X-ray
machines about 6 times in the last 9 months. I started getting errors
on my floppies after a few trips that I can not pin point to the X-ray
machines, but since I stopped taking the floppies through the X-ray
machine I don't have failures. I didn't see any problems at first, only
after several trips.

if you are going on Cathy Pacific you might want to reconsider on and
not check floppies, tapes, etc. They use this super X-ray Machine that
they warn will ruin film.

Marke
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From: h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Candace O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Seeking great ideas for Christmas
Summary: What's your idea of an really great place to spend Xmas?
Keywords: Christmas travel ideas; short but interesting vacation.
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6102
Followup-To: rec.travel
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland State University, Computing Services

Hello.  I am getting into the habit of not spending Christmas at home;
for the past few years my husband and I have gone various places for a
few days to a week for the holiday, and enjoyed ourselves much more
than we do spending Christmas at home.  Now I'm thinking of where to
go this year, and I'll bet some of you have some really great ideas,
so I am soliciting.

Example of a really nice Christmas mini-vacation: a few years back we
drove down to the Grand Canyon.  I'd been there many times (used to live
in NM) but my husband had never been there.  We stayed at the El Tovar,
had outrageously beautiful weather (the Canyon is lovely with snow!),
grand time.

Things I've been thinking of: Someplace out-of-the-way in Hawaii (I am
a snow-and-ice person, but everybody else likes Hawaii, so maybe I would
too).  Someplace around the Banff-Jasper area.  Cross country skiing
in Yosemite.  Death Valley.  As you can see we are really flexible; just
looking for an interesting, beautiful place to spend Christmas.  Possibly
a really special, neat hotel someplace with lots of natural beauty. Last
year we spent Christmas at the Empress in Victoria; the hotel was nice,
but it was a little bit too bit-city.  Right now am limiting my 
speculations to the US and Canada (not interested in Mexico), and to 
things that would be fun for a short (1 week or less) getaway.

Any and all ideas, suggestions and experiences welcome!  Reply to this
group or via email, and thank you in advance.

Candace S. O'Connor
Biology Department

h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: travel gifts
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:55:53 GMT
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington

In article <BuMqJJ.D8x@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) wrote:
>> What would be a nice gift for a prospective traveller?  Things like swiss
>> army knives, flashlights, etc., I guess.  I'm looking for inspiration ...
>
>... what sort of travelling does your pal do?

She is doing a trip through the US, Canada, England, Scotland, France,
Spain, Hong Kong, Australia, or something like that (mostly city
hopping).  It's air travel most of the way while staying about a
quarter of the time with friends.  She plans on training around France
and probably from England to Scotland.  We're talking about someone
who has a travel pack but is not into hitchhiking or staying in tents.
It will mostly be youth hostels, B+B's, etc.

Does that help?

andy
From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Looking for info on Brazil
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:47:42 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Sep9.021530.12548@cs.cornell.edu> shapiro@cs.cornell.edu (Vadim Shapiro) writes:
>We will be spending several weeks in Rio next January, and I am looking 
>for a good reliable source of information on Rio and the rest of 
>the country.  Can somebody recommend a guide or other useful references?
>Any other info on airfares, places to visit, avoid, etc. will be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
>-Vadim Shapiro
>shapiro@gmr.com

(1) I have been to Brazil twice, most recently in 1990.  On both
occasions, I have found the South American Handbook invaluable.

(2) The best airfares from NYC are obtained through the Brazilian
American Cultural Center; they had an 800 number.

(3) Definitely go to Foz de Iguazu, the waterfall shown in the film
The Mission.  It is truly magnificent.

(4) If pressed for time, the Air Pass is a great time saver.
Distances in Brazil are vast.

(5) Crime has become an increasingly serious problem in all of the
large cities.  In Salvador in 1990 I was assaulted for a watch that
was worth nothing (It was 4 years old and cost $29 new) and I had my
pocket picked.  I have lived in NYC for fifteen years and never been a
crime victim here.  I would never go back to Salvador now, even though
in 1982 I spent ten days there and it was my favorite place in the
country on that trip.
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Kauai weather ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

Typical winter weather in Hawaii is 80 high temperatures on the beaches
when it's sunny.  Winter is the rainy season, though, so expect cooler
temperatures when it's raining.  Note also that deep canyons and
mountain tops can be quite a bit cooler than the beaches.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nwinston@pdx.mentorg.com (Nancy Winston)
Subject: Jamaica in October
Originator: nwinston@nwinston
Organization: engr
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:02:41 GMT


I am interested in going to Jamaica in October.  Does
anyone know about the weather at that time of year?
Is it the rainy season?

Thanks for any help!
Nancy Winston
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From: gwauford@utkux1.utk.edu (Gail Wauford)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Need info on Boston, Cape Cod, Newport, RI, and Providence
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:47:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

I will be visiting Boston, Cape Cod, Newport, RI, and Providence the
week of October 23-November 1. I would appreciate any information on
reasonably priced hotels or bed and breakfasts, restaurants, places
to see/avoid, and events during this week.

Thanks in advance,
Gail Wauford
gwauford@utkux1.utk.edu
From: edgarrd@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dominguez)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Eurail Pass
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:04:26 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Hello people,

I have just seen several comments about the availability of the Eurail
Pass. I have not seen the information I have been looking for so here is
my question about that:

Has anybody purchased a Eurail Pass in Britain which can be purchased just
by non-british citizens ?  I ask this because a friend of mine told me
that such Passes are available, and cheaper than the normal Interail
(which is 260 pounds for > 26). If anyone can help me about this matter
I will appreciate it (and I will probably save) very much !

Edgar.

Internet edgarrd@castle.ed.ac.uk
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Loud irritating ... tourists   ENOUGH!
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:00:47 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Sep8.002154.26905@morrow.stanford.edu> jon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
 >    Well here in San Francisco we get tourists from all over, and I can
 > tell you that you've missed some.  For instance:
 > 
 >        The Dutch.  They're really awful, clomping up and down Telegraph
 >        Hill in their wooden shoes, asking where the tulip gardens are,
 >        and demanding to know why they don't serve raw herring at 
 >        Fisherman's Wharf.
 > 
Ah, now finally I do understand why I was looked at askance when I came
at Fisherman's Wharf in wooden shoes and asked for a raw herring.  Do you
mean they do not serve raw herrings to people in wooden shoes?  If so,
what is the proper footwear when ordering raw herring?  And for the
tulip gardens, why are there no proper signs to them?
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Tajikistan
Date: 8 Sep 1992 11:09:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL ADVISORY - Tajikistan
============================================================
Tajikistan - Warning
 September 8, 1992

U.S. citizens should defer all travel to Tajikistan until further 
notice because fighting now centered in the south, notably in the 
Kulyab and Kurgan Tyube regions, could be introduced into the 
capital city of Dushanbe.  The Dushanbe International Airport is 
under rebel control and service is not reliable.

U.S. citizens who must travel to Tajikistan in spite of this 
warning are strongly encouraged to register with the U.S. Embassy in 
Dushanbe.  The U.S. Embassy is temporarily located at the Hotel 
Independence and is currently providing limited consular services to 
U.S. citizens in Tajikistan.  U.S. citizens in need of emergency 
services may contact the U.S. Embassy at tel: 248233.

 No. 92-166

This advisory replaces the travel advisory dated June 25, 1992 to 
advise U.S. citizens to defer all travel to Tajikistan.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cspuhler@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (christine.spuhler)
Subject: Re: Damage to Kauai???
Summary: KAUAI? CHANGE OF PLANS...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:36:22 GMT


FYI - If anyone had plans to go to Kauai in the next several weeks,
      you can forget about it!  

We were planning to leave on Oct. 11th but our agent just notified us 
that travel to Kauai (for non military) won't begin for at least 1 month or 
more.   Time for a change of plans...

If anyone has any info on the Big Island or Lanai, would you please forward 
it to me?  I have to make a decision in the next several days!  :-)

Thanks!!
Chris 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mark.seltzer@rose.com (mark seltzer)
Subject: Ecuador / Malaria
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:46:11 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 09-07-92 10:35
Re: Malaria Prophylaxis in Ecuador, and the following message:

L.>From: LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Lois White)
L.>
L.>In article <1992Sep5.225911.29847@midway.uchicago.edu>,
L.>mtume@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Annette Bernhardt) says:
L.>>
L.>>A friend and I are heading off on a big trip to south and central ame
L.>>we were wondering which malaria pills are now in use, last time we
L.>>used them was around 5 years ago.
L.>>Also, we heard ecuador requires yellow fever immunization and suggest
L.>>cholera immunization -- do they check at the airport that you've had
L.>>these shots?
L.>>
L.>Chloroquine is the currently recommended malaria pill and you need to
L.>start taking them (one a week) one week before you enter the malaria z
L.>See you doctor soon enough to get started.  If the U.S. Dept of Health
L.>(or whatever agency handles this sort of thing) requires/recommends th
L.>you get certain innoculations before going to a particular country, yo
L.>could be asked to show your immunization certificate when you RETURN
L.>to the US, and some other countries might require you to be vaccinated
L.>upon arrival.

Can I suggest that people who wish advice on malaria prophylaxis contact a 
medical agency instead of the net, and more importantly that people who
do not know their facts refrain from answering such queries?

The response above was downright DANGEROUS. Ecuador, along with all the 
other countries in South America (except Chile and Uruguay, no malaria, 
and Argentina, cholorquine-sensitive malaria in the north) has 
CHLOROQUINE-RESISTANT malaria. Chloroquine is NOT the drug of choice and 
if the questioner follows Lois White's advice she will NOT be protected 
against malaria; as I said, it is more than irresponsible, it is almost
criminal, for people to be providing incorrect information on matters like 
this.

The U.S. Department of Health's Center for Disease Control can be reached 
at 404-332-4559.

/mark



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Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.backcountry,co.general
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Moab/Bluff, Utah
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:52:14 GMT


There wuz a time when we'd just load up the packs and head west to
Utah and hike/camp.  But now we've got yer basic 1-yr old baby, and
bless her li'l heart, I don't think either of us is quite ready to
take her camping.  But *day hiking* -- yes!  We've located an okay
place in Bluff to stay a couple nights, but are having a hard time
finding a place near Moab that has kitchen facilities.  Any pointers
to a nice place to stay in (or near) either of these towns (with
cooking facilities) would be greatly appreciated!
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
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From: rnt@druwa.ATT.COM (Bob Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists, er, USENETters
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:40:57 GMT

in article <1992Sep9.005400.28508@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU says:

>   3) And I must admitt even though I think most Americans are loud-mouthed
> egotistical BARSTARDS, without their help, it would've been unlikely that
> Britain (and her allies) would've been able to open a second front in France.
> 
> Matthew-Uni of NSW.
> Australia.

As an American I can only hope to achieve the level of urbane
sophistication exhibited by all walks of life in Australian society.
Refined, dignified behaviour (yes, I can spell it with a ``u'') comes
automatically to each and every Australian.  You must be bristling
with pride.

Although we Americans may be loud-mouthed egotistical people of questionable
lineage, at least our animals aren't ugly!  Australia is home to
the ugliest animals on the planet.  Some of these bug-eyed abominations
are absolutely hideous.  And whose idea was it to equip each and every
one of them with a pouch?
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: le02195@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (BETHANY BARDIN)
Subject: Re: Tahiti- which Island?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.185225.29104@morrow.stanford.edu>, puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes...
>In article <1992Sep9.154302.12167@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> kraus@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Dave Kraus) writes:

[Original posting and comments from Angel deleted.]

>Average budget for 7 nights/8days from the West Coast for two people: $6 to 7K.
>IMO: worth every penny and more. There is no other place in this world like
>Bora Bora.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I have been there 9 times.......I second every word!! Go to Bora Bora. NOW!

Bethany

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: maer@bernina.ethz.ch (Matthias Ernst)
Subject: YEMEN - anybody been there last recently ?
Keywords: YEMEN
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:38:21 GMT


I'm going to Yemen in 2 weeks. Has anybody been there last recently
and knows, whether the travel permits are still needed? Are there still
some restricted areas or are tourists now allowed to visit all regions
of the country?

Thanks for any information

Matthias

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.german
Subject: car rental results
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:44:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuData Inc.

Thanks for all the mail folks. Some of my responses are bouncing and some of 
you asked for the results of this query and since you read this before here
...

Bottom line was that most people suggested AutoEurope. While no one gave me 
any numbers to call, I finally resorted to AAA as a travel agency.

Believe it or not, they did not know that the AMX card arrangement includes 
car insurance overseas too. They even had me verify this and it does.

So, I asked for a mid-size car. The prices people paid who wrote me varied 
from very cheap for a little Citroen to $600 for a Mercedes 190 for around 10 
days to two weeks.

The price I was quoted for pickup and return to Frankfurt without milage 
limitations was $457 for two full weeks inclusive of taxes. Insurance would 
proably be much higher than my annual AMX fee. There is a certain savings 
here.

They will only tell me that I'll get either an Opel or an Audi. I have no idea 
as to models. As a point of reference, a friend who was just here from Germany 
was quoted $420 for a month's car rental here of a mid-sized car.  The
bargains are now here.

Fred




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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From:  SV@smena.russia.msk.su (S.V.Vasiliev)
Subject: RE: For visitors to Moscow - offer (Some summary)
Reply-To: SV@smena.russia.msk.su
Organization: unknown
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:40:54 +0300 

I want to say thank you for everybody took part in the discussion about
accommodation in Moscow.

One advise for Nancy and Julie: try to extend your knowledge of the world,
not limiting yourself in the borders of your own country only.

Your remarks are so  far from any understanding of economical situation
in Russia...  For $5 per night here you may find a room in a flat of your
closest friend only.

Nevertheless I'm going to continue my post offers about accommodation and
tourist's service in Moscow. Will it be OK if I'll resend it once or twice
per month?

Sergey Vassiliev, Moscow
From: gkn@ucsd.edu (Gerard K. Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Need recommendations: places to stay in Hana
Summary: Hotel Hana Maui
Keywords: Hana Maui Hawaii
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:47:10 GMT
Organization: TGV, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep10.065337.11907@infonode.ingr.com> hoppersm@infonode.ingr.com (Marcia Hoppers) writes:
>I would be interested in any recommendations of where to stay in Hana.
>Comments from anyone who has stayed at the following will be appreciated:
>
>Hotel Hana Maui

My wife and I stayed there for a week in January of this year.  It's a
very nice place, but quite expensive.  We were mostly interested in
relaxing, so being away from the rest of Maui was just fine.  The hotel
itself is now run by Sheraton, but they seem to have taken a "hands off"
attitude, letting the staff at the Hana manage it the way they always
have.

The place is famous for quiet, refined service, and with few exceptions
(not worth discussion) this is what we got.  We're both young for the
average age of people who seem to stay there (33 & 28), so we did get
a bit of "young whippersnappers" from some of the other guests.  Easily
ignored.  There was a hint of that attitude from the restaurant staff
as well (slightly less easily ignored), but none of the other staff.

Would we go again?  Probably, but not for a few years (too many other
interesting places to visit).  Was it worth it?  Hard to say ... it
is expensive (we paid ~$430/night), but its reputation preceeds it.

Check out the April 1989 issue of _Travel & Leisure_.

Enjoy your stay,


-- 
Gerard K. Newman,  TGV, Inc.  603 Mission St.  Santa Cruz, CA  95060
gkn@tgv.com | 619.591.4717 (voice+fax) | 800.TGV.3440 | 408.427.4366
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