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From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:47:41 GMT

First before I quote or say anything further, I would like to say 
this is not an invitation to a flame war.  However, especially for
the benefit of NUS readers, this topic is very relevant. I hope
both NUS students, alumni, Singaporean and other interested party
will contribute and try to explain the apathy of NUS students with 
respect to extra-curricular activities.  What propmpted me to write
this thread was an report  in the STOE, about the recent Student
Union election. 

According to the reported, many of the students do not even
know who their new Union president is. One answered, "Who cares" and
another said, "Oh no, must be somebody who has nothing better to do"


Is  such form a apathy unique to NUS?

Is it a result of  "kiasuism"?


Or perhaps there is no benefit to be derived from such 
activities!

Or is it the restrictive environment of Singapore?


Level-headed discussion most welcome.

_Mann
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From: yeoy@a.cs.okstate.edu (YEO YEK CHONG)
Subject: How to subscribe to SIFlash
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:23:47 GMT

From: teh@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Richie L C TEH)

>    OK, in the Nov 7th edition of the Singapore Straits Times (Oversea Editon),
>there was an article entitled "News link-up for overseas students".
>
>*******       stuff deleted     *******
>
>	This sound very interesting for us homesick S'poreans. Please,
>anyone who had any info regarding this service please email me or post it to
>this newsgroup. Thanks!!!!! 

     It is posted on this newsgroup a couple of days ago that SIFlash is
available via gopher.  Type:

     gopher solomon.technet.sg 

and follow the instructions.  So far, there are 3 news updates as of this 
morning (US CDT Nov 13).  Brief and informative.  Other stuff available
includes directories of Singapore Student Associations(Somewhat outdated..at
least for my university), contacts of people "OF INTEREST" (no offence, just
kidding.  big :) ), Biogen (sp), ftp sites in Singapore, etc...  Apparently
solomon has quite a large collection of DOS, Mac, and Unix PD(Way to go!! 
Good job!!...  Are they going to be available to the general public in 
Singapore????????  Big question mark???  )

	Have fun...  I am looking forward to the next news update, which I
suppose it is going to be today or tomorrow.

Regards to all
Yeo...

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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:48:53 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>Mr. Thaddaeus (ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
>: 	Actually, being a genious sometimes doesn't help at all. I know a 
>: guy who got 8 A1's in the SPM (you can't do better than 8 A1's can you?)
>: who got rejected by SHELL for s scholarship to the US while those who got
> I did not get those 8 A1s but it was close but remember it was in 1976 in
>East Malaysia taking Cambridge SC.
>	I did not get that Shell Scholarship. 

>: aggregrates of 20s and more (surprise, surprise) got it. 
>: 	But hey, after a politician intervened on his behalf, he was sent to
>: 
>: the US of A. Draw your own conclusions.
>At least he finally got it, that is what counts, doesn't it?
>I did not have any politician to help me.

	What  the writer was trying to convey is the fact that scholarships
are awarded on the basis of RACE and NOT academic performance. Sure ! I have
plenty of friends who were turned away from JPA just because the colour of
their skin were different. Our tax money is being laundered on students who
don't even deserve to leave the country for scholarship education. Your
1976 story somehow doesn't make pity you...not that I'm a Chinese racist and
a mass-murderer, as you call me ???  
	If my colour was different, I wouldn't be here in Canada. I would
be somewhere in the US or Australia doing Engineering based on my SPM results.

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.015018.7993@nuscc.nus.sg>, iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.170618.14561@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca writes:
|> > 
|>  ... [stuffs about sense of community deleted]...
|> >Back to Singapore, other than activities in the hostel, the other
|> >activities are perceived as non-value added.  It is not going to help
|> >one get a job in Singapore.  But getting lousy grades will certainly
|> >hinder a person from getting a good start in the business world.
|> 
|> This sounds rather pathetic. There are still many students who
|> take part in activities organized by many societies/clubs/associations
|> in the university. Also, quite a number of students take up tuition
|> jobs to support their livings, and still some (though not many)
|> perform social works at various organization. IMO, most students are
|> contented with lives in the university, and therefore see no
|> benefit in joining the student union.  
|> 
Yes it does.  Unfortunately I was one of them :(.  Well it might not
speak for the whole of NUS but was true to a greater part of
engineering.  It was the 4L's all the way.  Has it changed?  I think
not. 
 
|> Is NUS students an apatheic lot? May be, but you shouldn't judge it
|> from the number of students taking part in the student union
|> activities. 
|> 
Hmm...you are right.  I can recall names of people involved in various
activities, but none from the student union.  They seem to have such
a low profile.
 
|> adding 1 more cent.
|> 
Keh puah-chiam
|> 
|> -- Siau Cheng
|> 
...Kyle

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From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:25:49 GMT

Cher Guan Teo (cgteo@tomcat.ecn.uoknor.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: Guess what, that guy from NUS thought that it's only in NUS that a student
: constantly has homeworks and project assignments due regularly.  I guess
: all other universities all around the world don't ever assign homeworks at
: all.
: 
Who? me? I didn't say that! :-)

: Like I always tell a professor of mine, MOST (not all) Singaporeans are
: just hardworking, not intelligent.  Duh!

Hmmm...that is not a very fair comment. If the statement applies to
Singapore, then it most certainly will apply to any country in the
world. After all, for a large population, the normal distribution curve
always applies. So, there will always be a certain percentage of people
in any country who will be considered intelligent. Perhaps you have met
many intelligent Americans, but you must keep in mind that with a
population of over 200 million, of course in absolute terms, there will
be more intelligent people.
Oh well, at least we are hardworking....:-)

: 
: P.S. This article is not meant to be a put-down for NUS students.

Of course not! :-) If that were to be the case, think of those people
who can't get into NUS. ;-)

: 
: 
: CWTAN
: 

--
---------------------------------------------------------
Tan Gim Wee
EE Dept, NUS
internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"It was a dark and stormy night......"	-  Snoopy
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From: psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (SORRY SCOTT... WAS AN ACCIDENT ;))
Subject: Re: To you malasian Singapore basher
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:01:12 GMT

In article <1d5bd4INN1am@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam) writes:
> Me Mann (mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
> : In article <1d2gb5INN5cc@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam) writes:
> : >Methinks this poor mixed up (or shall we say f**ked up) soul only wants
> :                                               ^^^^^^^
> : 
> : Hi liang moi (pretty damsel), not nice to use such
> : rustic word one you know--- difficult to find you
> : knight lah and make your mother and aunties all worry
> : lah 8).
> : 
> : Me too dare to sign my name 8)
> : -Me "no ill-feeling" Mann
> : 
> : 
> 
> Alas, it would be that I am doomed to an eternity of lonely existence.
> Then, let me be a spinster in peace ...
> 
> I thank you Me "liang jai" Mann for your f***ing kind concern ...
> 
> 
> Elsie.

Oooo....Elsie, I had no idea you were like this...  ;)

Fal...reply to c9110499@brolga.newcastle.edu.au  (you know who I am....;)


> 
> 
> ************************************************************************
> *								       *
> *	ASK ME NO NONSENSE AND I WILL TELL YOU NO RUBBISH ...          *
> *								       *
> ************************************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (Herbie Husker)
Subject: Re: Immigrants Problem (Re: MY: Think Malaysian, ...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 17:27:26 GMT

C580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo) writes:

>Since we on the topic of "bumi" and "non-bumi", how do the Malaysian
>govt. classify the imigrants who reside in Malaysia?  Take for example
>the vast population of Indonesian immigrants who had assimilated into
>the Malaysian culture, adopted Malay names, etc., but DO NOT practise
>Islam.
> 
>Do they get the "special priviledge"  too (assume they are citizens with
>blue ID card) ?  What about their children (assume they are natural-
>born in Malaysia) ?  If the answer is "yes", now, compare that with the
>chinese or indians or whatever races who have been in Malaysia for many
>generations,  who do not have the "special priviledge".  Now, the question
>of fairness has to be asked by many rightful citizen of Malaysia, isn't it?
> 
>Any comments?
> 
>Albert Foo
>Biometric Computer Consultant
>Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries

My guess is that fairness doesn't count here.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  I'm
strictly against the quota system.  For example, the Malays are given two 
chances to buy a share in the stock exchange.  Others are put to the 2nd. 
badges just because their skin are not dark brown. (Yeah, sun tan don't count).
If the reason is that the bumiputras need the government support because they
are poor and claim their way of living is behind the non-bumiputras, then I
believe this excuse is lame.

I don't and never will support the idea of "special priviledge" to anyone 
unless they truely deserve it, ie., the person who work hard to achieve a
higher standard of living.
From: isds11989009@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: TO YOU CHINESE..
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:40:17 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

HI...
      ALL THESE ARTICLES ABOUT RACISM ARE SO BOOOOOOORING.....YOU KNOW WHY?..
      BECAUSE YOU'LL CHINESE ACTING LIKE YOU'RE THE BEST RACE IN MALAYSIA..
      WHY? EVEN I'M NOT MALAY ...
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.162829.28412@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|
|Due to a lot of ignorance in the qualification of Anwar Ibrahim, our current
|Finance MInister I like to give a brief historical explaination expecially to
|the ignorant chinese.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There he goes again....

|
|He got his first class honours in Malay Studies, from University Malaya,K.L.,
|while still in prison.
|
|He was arrested for demonstrating for the government failure to stop the
|starvation of Malays in Baling, under our most wanted law by this newgroup,
|the ISA.
|
|To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure. To get it
|while in prison is a very special achievement. VERY FEW people on earth can
|do that, not even LKY of Singapore.

Yes, your royal highness. Albert Einstein is a failure too. He is nothing
when compared to your Anwar Ibrahim who changed the world with his
expertise in Malay Studies

    ....

|	A lot of chinese are scared of being led by a muslim but I tell you,
|you'll learn your lesson when then non-islamic hypocritical Malays were to 
|take power. So far I have not known of any prime ministers who are not 
|devout muslims, but the number of malays who do not belive in Islam is growing.
|	Let us see, how the minorities fare under these people who have no
|moral and discipline, but their self interests and desires.
|

Yes, we all know where you stand. All Muslims have moral and discipline
They are one level above the rest of the world. Those non-muslims are
filty, selfish immoral infidels


|--
|Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
|Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
|Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
|Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
|


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BxGswp.57t
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

In article <ins774h.721095784@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Encik Kong) writes:
> >-- article 232:NST:10/17/92
> 
> >KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysian must make a conscious effort to accept and practice
> >the concept of "bangsa Malaysia" (Malaysian nationality) to promote unity
> >and goodwill, the Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister's Department, Raja
> >Datuk Ariffin Raja Sulaiman, said on Tuesday.
> 
> >    "National integration is possible if there is a total acceptance of
> >the concept of 'bangsa Malaysia' among the people," he said.
> 
> >    Raja Ariffin said the press should be pro-active in promoting the
> >concept of a Malaysian nationality to make people more aware of it.
> >"Malaysians cannot run away from the reality that, to attain a cohesive
> >and united society, they ..... should identify themselves as a Malaysian
> >and not as a Malay, Chinese or Indian," he added. - NST. 10/15/92.
> 
> 	Does this mean that when I deal with government agencies I won't be
> queried for my "Bangsa" and "Agama" in every application forms?

  We can dream about it but it will not be a reality as long as we stick to the
  same constitution. I guess I don't mind stating my bangsa and agama in the
  forms as long as I won't be treated differently according to these 
  criterias.

> 
> Thaddaeus Kong			             ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au

Geeva Subramaniam
Bowling Green State University.
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From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:28:27 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Nov6105334@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov05.101227.29347@bnr.uk> bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
>
>   Yes, Zam was unruly but at least he was keen to build some form
>					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   of harmony not just stirring things up.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Madam, surely you jest?  As someone who had the opportunity to verbally spar
>with the abovementioned person, I can tell you that your former comment is an
>understatement and the latter is pure optimism!!!  And, yes, I've been around
>for some time on this forum, too!


Could not agree more with KY Tan.  How could someone who openly 
admit that he hated Chinese and have a racist .sig file in all
his post be for racial harmony!!!!.  He is one level above Pak
Othman in his racist remarks. IMHO, Pak Othman look pale in comparison.

Perhaps W. Looi can  reproduce some of Zam's "dirt"  from his archive?

-Mann


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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Discrimination??!?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:19:48 GMT

Kwang-Ming Ng (c60a-sv@danube.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
: the bumis/malays has always been regarded by me as an act of 
: suppression of the other races...Heck! There are so many poor and
: Unfortunate indians and chinese in M'sia too...but do they get these
: 'special' privy...Nooo, nope, zip, nada....Ok, Ok...lets see...
: When the "Rodney King-Riots" broke out in the States...here in Berkeley
: and San Francisco, it wasn't as bad as LA...was the result of years of
: racial supression...hmm, wonder how would it be like if this tension
: broke out in M'sia...

Now you admit it finally. Maybe if the Malaysian police start beating
chinese and Indians right in front of TV, maybe but it is the other way
round. Not only the Muslims were beaten, they were massacred right on
VIDEO, and yet the chinese still claim that they were discriminated.
	Incidentally, those who did the massacres are non-muslim policemen.
As far as I know, nothing is done to them.
: 
: I wonder what did Tunku did to deserve his column in "The Star" to be
: removed..oh, it was "bought" (the paper) by "The New Straits Times"
: (partly-or-wholly-owned-by-Barisan..hey, I'm still a minor wouldn't
: know all the details)......
You should thank him for giving you citizenship which you do not deserve.
You do not even respect Malaysian constitution, how can you deserve a
citizenship. If you were a US permanent resident, you'll never get
citizenship.
: 
: How about housing....If this is not outright discrimination, I wonder
: what is??....Don't certain races get 5-10% off the price and special
: interest rates for loans...? Also, how bout the stocks and shares that 

This is a blatant lie. I applied for a housing loan in a choice area,
I cannot even find any Malay purchaser. The chinese officer who is supposed
to be fair to all buyers did not even want to sell the house to me, telling
lies about bank practices. REquiring bank approval before getting HIS approval.
BAnks never approve a bank loan, before getting approval from a housing
developer. 
	This stories unfortunately repeat so many times.
: certain race gets to purchase??...Ever wondered about those recent

You mean those cheats on first ISSUE shares. Formerly only chinese get rich
by buying those shares because of INSIDER information. Now the government try
to limit it considerably. These sleazy business practices must stop.

: TV games..why is it that most of the top prizes are swept by a 
: certain race...(not pointing fingers here...)

So you think there are 45% chinese in Malaysia?
: 
: So...now..are all the races in M'sia treated equally?...
: Think bout it....
Think about it really hard!

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Progress report on faq..........
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:45:27 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya people,
	This is a progress report regarding the faq.  I am sorry, but there has
not been much progress.  I was hoping to be able to do some work on it
(currently it's still a bunch of mail + stuff I extracted from NEWS) last
Saturday, but work just piled up.  You know what they say about taking each day
as it comes, but as someone else said... they all joined forces and attacked me
together.  So I'd have to delay the release of the prebeta test version of the
faq.  In the mean time, do send suggestions/contributions/etc to me at
UFLTAI@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU.  Thanx.
	Ciao.

-Tai "I need 48 hours a day and lotsa caffeine"
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From: psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (SORRY SCOTT... WAS AN ACCIDENT ;))
Subject: Re: tour of ukm, nus or ntu ?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:28:25 GMT

In article <Bx7BAI.99n@ecf.toronto.edu>, chansze@ecf.toronto.edu (CHAN Sze Keong) writes:
> hiho,
> 
>    i will be going back to malaysia this december and 
>    will also be spending some time in singapore. 
>    is there someone who could show me around (a quick tour)
>    of the ee dept of ukm, nus or ntu ? or is it too close to 
            ^^^^^^^                ^^^
Othman, of course!!

Fal, reply to c9110499@etc....

>    exam time for you guys/gals ?? how 'bout a lunch bribe ??
>    do i have to write to the relevant faculties or can i just
>    pop in ?? 
> 
>    please email me if you can help.
> 
>    thanks in advance,
>    dennis
> 
>    -------------------------------------------
>    -- BLUE JAYS -- 92 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS ! --
>    -------------------------------------------
> 
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From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf)
Subject: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Summary: Malaysia for Malaysians???? Don't be naive!
Keywords: Malaysia for Malays, more likely 
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:44:59 GMT

	25 years ago, Mr. Lee Kwan Yew proposed a slogan

	"Malaysia for Malaysians"
			    ====

	while he was campaigning in the then Federal states(including S'pore)

	......
	In the end, he was given 2 choice by the Tungu
		1)go to Singapore and make Singapore Independent
		2)get arrested the next day for causing social UNREST

	He had no choice but to choose 1) and that is why we have the
		Republic of SINGAPORE
							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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From: veloovet@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mohan veloo vethiveloo)
Subject: Re: Project ASPIRE.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:33:46 GMT

Hi!
Thanx for providing the information on the ASPIRE project Geeva.
I've posted more information under ASPIRE-L in SCA. Those of you
who haven't seen it should check it out.

Mohan Veloo
ASPIRE-L Moderator
Veloovet@ucs.indiana.edu
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