HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: amanda@wam.umd.edu (Me again)
Subject: Re: Jesus and Quantum Physics (was Re: Summing up all of Christianity in one statement...)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.080308.10678@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@ellis.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin) writes:

>
>I believe that Jesus was both a particle and a wave.
>
>Wait-- I think I'm confusing science and religion again. :-)

And still people look at me funny when i answer "What religion are you?"
with "Physics major"....

amanda@wam.umd.edu        --Disciple of Physics--       Amanda Babcock
From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Splash!)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Dalek has entered the building
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:14:52 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au

jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:

>>The Dalek will be more than happy to remove his weapon arm, but will require
>>some assistance as his other manipulator isn't up to the task.
>>However, as having only his suction arm and eye stalk makes him feel
>>unbalanced, he will require a new appendage.  He kindly (kindly for a 
>>Dalek that is) asks for suggestions that fit the spirit of the Place.
>>
>>The Dalek

> <chuckle> "Thats easy, something to hug others with, " Linda.

Either that, or a straw!

Splash!

--
		Splash!		*To love is to LIVE!*
   (aka Mike van Keulen -- e-mail: keulen@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au)
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Thyra)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: New Year Pizza Party (Was: Re: On shoes and ships and sealing wax,
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 21 Dec 1992 07:11:46 GMT
Organization: the Polyhedron Group
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec21.034714.14060@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mar@physics.su.OZ.AU
(David Mar) wrote:
> 
> > [yue-shun about the New Year's Pizza Party:]
> >Stop babbling, DM!  Just do it!!  I did it last year.  It's now your turn!!
> 
> Danger Mouse thanks yue-shun for the support.
> "Okay, you've convinced me! I'll do it."
> 
> - Danger Mouse.

Thyra looks up from a quiet converstaion she has been having with Caithlin.
"Great DM! And you can expect at least some participation from the folks
who attend Caithlin's Realspace in Portland! Jason will be bringing his
cyberdeck and modem, to establish an Internet link to Caithlin's home. It
just so happens that we will probably be having Pizza too, so we'll be with
you in more ways than one!"

She listens to some other conversations a momemt and then runs over and
gives Abner a big HUG. "Of COURSE you are welcome at the Portland
Realspace! Caithelin has assured Jason and Pegasus that between herself and
two friends who live nearby, crash space should not be a problem. See you
there!"

Hugs and Purrs,
Thyra
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From: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Subject: Re: Hats
Reply-To: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:40:39 GMT

The Boss Troll notes the Hats discussion with interest!

At work today, I am wearing a brown Fedora.  I can be expected
to wear some sort of hat, varying wildly with my mood, the Dragon
Lady's current opinion of the hat I wore yesterday, and what was
"on top" in the closet.

In my surprisingly extensive collection are a variety of ballcap
type hats, "crusher" hats for camping, at least several varieties
of "cowboy" or "western" style hats, and a few specials--like one for
the desert, ala "French Foreign Legion".

A recent Boy Scout Campout found the entire group, Troll, Wave, and Frog
wearing mesh "pith Helmets" in the same color.

I think we do it just to be perverse.  I do know that nowadays, tipping
your hat to a 'lady' still gets a reaction (usually puzzlement).

Perhaps the Troll has some "Mad Hatter" in his genes??

--Troll
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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jason)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: It's a girl!
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:44:02 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
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In article <brumby.724083394@nella7.cc.monash.edu.au>,
brumby@nella7.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) wrote:
> 
> 
>    Well, some, probably most, of you have been aware that my wife Robyn was
> pregnant.
> 
>    At one minute to eight this evening, Friday the eleventh of December,
> Jennifer Rhiannon McNamara was born, after thirty two hours of fairly
> difficult labour by Robyn. At the moment she is in a humidicrib, because
> she found this breathing business a bit difficult for a two and a half week
> premature baby. However, she seemed to have gotten the hang of it when I
> left the hospital.

Jason adds his glass to the fire <CRASH!>. "To a no doubt beautiful new
baby. (Aren't they all, really?) Jennifer Rhiannon McNamara, welcome to the
world! Congratulations Brumby, to you and especially to your wife."
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Thyra)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Hats
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:45:05 GMT
Organization: the Polyhedron Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec17.144039.14401@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum) wrote:
> 
> The Boss Troll notes the Hats discussion with interest!
> 
> At work today, I am wearing a brown Fedora.  I can be expected
> to wear some sort of hat, varying wildly with my mood, the Dragon
> Lady's current opinion of the hat I wore yesterday, and what was
> "on top" in the closet.
> 
> In my surprisingly extensive collection are a variety of ballcap
> type hats, "crusher" hats for camping, at least several varieties
> of "cowboy" or "western" style hats, and a few specials--like one for
> the desert, ala "French Foreign Legion".
> 
> A recent Boy Scout Campout found the entire group, Troll, Wave, and Frog
> wearing mesh "pith Helmets" in the same color.
> 
> I think we do it just to be perverse.  I do know that nowadays, tipping
> your hat to a 'lady' still gets a reaction (usually puzzlement).

Thyra chuckles at the Boss Trolls hat collection. "Jason has at -least- a
dozen to two dozen different baseball hats. Some have computer company
logos, some are from taverns and bars, some are from trucking firms or
machine shops, one is from a resort in Florida. He has them from all over
the place. Around the house they are in drawers, in closets, on top of
bookshelves, or tossed in the corner out of the way. He usually only wears
them when it is warm to hot outside. He also has a couple of sun visors
with Apple Computer logos on them, and a couple -huge- 24" to 30" diameter
straw sun-hats, that he wears at SCA tourneys."

"And that doesn't count -special purpose- hats, like his shriner's Fez, or
the 19th-century, roll-brim felt top hat he wears to do stage magic."

"Yesterday he wore the Greek fisherman's hat. Today it snowed for the first
time this season, so he wore a knitted stocking cap. It's Grey and Black
and blue striped, with a tuft of all three colors on top, and was made by
his grandmother."

Purrs,
Thyra
.
From: noj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan E Miles)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Danger Room (was Re: Showers? [Re: An Introduction])
Keywords: more
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:32:49 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:


>In article <JBrandt-131292111540@aaa.uoregon.edu> Jay Brandt wrote:

>> Liralen and I, and a few others, also use it for martial arts workouts and
>> combat training.  Argent is a positively incredible automated training
>> droid. Sort of the ultimate sensi." He smiles at Liralen. "I may take you
>> up on that as soon as I am done with our chess game. I could use a good
>> workout. I've been inactive too long."

At this, Itosu perks up..."A martial arts training room?  Just what I've been
looking for...does he do point sparring, I'm not real used to full-contact."

He grins.."Other than street fighting, that is, and there's a BIG difference!"

>At Ecko's study of Argent, Liralen only smiles to see someone appreciate
>the gift given to her with true understanding of what it is.  "Jilara gave
>it to me.  Somewhat based on the Terminator 2 technology, but programmed
>only to teach.  As Jason said, 'the ultimate sensei.'"

"VERY interesting...I'll have to check it out...I need the practice."



Itosu the ogre

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From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Splash!)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: On shoes and ships and sealing wax, and other sundry things
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:24:13 GMT
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Splash waves a farewell and hello to Nicarra (well, she's actually coming
closer for me :-)  ).  "Have a wonderful Christmas, New Year, and journey
back to Oz.  Take care and <HUG>!"

Splash!

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		Splash!		*To love is to LIVE!*
   (aka Mike van Keulen -- e-mail: keulen@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au)
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From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Pair-allel Universes
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:57:57 GMT

In article <1g6oj4INNe9f@phakt.usc.edu> pechever@phakt.usc.edu (The Heckler) writes:
>"Not to go off on a tangent, but...aw hell, why not?"
>
>""All the Myriad Ways" really bugged me.  I just don't think people react that
>way, and it's one of my (several) peeves with Niven, who to my mind relys
>way too much on cute techie gadgets and not enough on characterization.
>I find the idea that there are other selves of mine out there that have done
>everything I haven't, that have made the opposite of all my choices, 
>tremendously life-affirming; there are no 'roads not taken', and I can
>follow my own to the end with no remorse.  Instead, Niven portrays people
>thinking, 'Well, why not?  One of my other selves will do it; why not me?'
>I just can't see people thinking that way."

Given the conceit, _of necessity_ there are universes where people
will behave that way.

>
>"My other peeve with Niven is that he failed to understand Elf's
>Journal Entries (did he even read them?) and tried to sue one of the best
>writers of intelligent, well-thought-out erotica on the Net today.

If you don't defend copyright you lose it.  A charitable interpretation
is that Niven was protecting himself from loss of copyright over
his creations.

>I've read maybe a quarter of the saga (It takes up about 2.2MB of text, at
>last count--about 4 and a half novels by SFWA standards), and there are
>no Kzin in it as Niven claims.  Furries, yes; but their origins and 
>personalities deviate substantially from Niven's Kzin--enough so to make
>them original, in my thought.  

I suspect that Niven had legal counsel.  If his legal counsel
advised him that there were grounds for claiming infringement, 
Niven would have been placing his income stream at substantial
risk to rely upon any other judgement, including his own. 

-- 
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voice:        (613) 765-2739
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I do not claim that BNR holds these views.  
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From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: RIP
Summary: more thoughts
Keywords: more
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:38:10 GMT

Gecko-boy is still sitting by Liralen's table, looking unusually subdued.

"I've been thinking more about this, Liralen, between cramming in kanji,
and I'm wondering, does it have to be anything big and spectacular?
For example, how good of a support system does your friend have in place?
Maybe it's enough just to arrange for everyone to be on a 'visitation
rotation' so that he'd always have someone nearby if he needed -- maybe
to visit, or to comfort, or maybe just to sit in the room reading a
book and be *there*.  I remember that when my father was ill, there
always seemed to be five or six people coming to visit at once followed
by stretches when nobody came to visit. (Partly this was because of
hospital visiting hours and such.)  Sometimes the room would be full
of people all wanting to visit with him for whatever time they had
alotted from their day, and it became overwhelming and intrusive. Then
at other times he'd be alone, w/o any human contact. Simply by 
scheduling better, I think his friends could have helped him a great
deal during his last several months."

Gecko-boy is looking a little frayed right now. He's got nicotine-
and caffeine-jitters...

"I'm sorry if this is a bit incoherent, Lir'. I've been up all night
with Japanese & EE ... haven't even read the new posts here, so perhaps
someone has already said all this."

He glances at his watch.  "Damn -- gotta go.  I'll be back after my
EE final."

Gecko-boy downs the rest of his egg-nog and heads for the real world.


--The geck'  (sleepy)

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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ...
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:54:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <BzBop6.LHv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> bwinton@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
>Blake lowers his head, while groaning at Splash's puns, and the water 
>sails over his head, and into the shadowed corners.
>
>Then he hears
>>"Mike!  This guy's drink is on me!" Big Al states.
>"Well, if you say so..." Blake says,
><splash>

Walked riiight into that one, too.  Drat.

>BTW, where are the towels, and other drying paraphenalia (sp.)

Hey, this is VR, write some up.  ex:

Big Al shakes violently, Dog-style, fails to get a droplet of whatever
was spilled on him off, and beats feet towards the hot tub.  "'Scuse
me a minute." He tells the occupants as he casts Feminabane aside (wet
oak is not fun) and steps in, clothes and all.  He steps out of the tub,
goes three steps, and promptly starts shivering violently.

"Gee, I wish I hadn't done that." He stutters out.  "Man, I need a
*towel*." He finishes.

As though a gift from above, a *towel* floats down from the rafters and around
Big Al's shoulders.  "Thank you."  He tells the rafters.

Big Al.  Brrr.  Hypothermia is not our friend.
From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Quantum (and untutored Zen) and Beliefs (was Re: Absolutes)
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec19.031057.20673@bmerh85.bnr.ca> yho@utcs.utoronto.ca writes:

>With this, I must say happy holidays to all of you, for I am leaving tomorrow
>  for a three-week vacation.  I hope Liralen and Michael and StM and all 
>  those who are interested will continue the friendly discussion this way.
>  Bloody email debates just turn everyone off.  If anyone would like to
>  save any future articles on this subject for me to read, I promise I will
>  read them thoroughly many times.  Indeed, I would love to read them, except 
>  I hate to ask for such a tedious thing.  So, farewell for now.

	"I could try to echo stuff to you if you want-- probably as
one mail message for each article, if that's OK.  If my brain goes
offline and I forget, just send me mail when you get back-- uchinews
retains articles for a while, so three weeks wouldn't be a problem.
For that matter, send me mail when you get back if I _have_ sent
everything, so that I know when to stop.  :-)  Have a good vacation."

Michael
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)
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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Unbe Awakens
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:40:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1gon3eINN2cl@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.045406.27625@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>=	"Of course religion has nothing to do with morality to a
>=nonreligious person-- fiction cannot provide a basis for morals, and

"Oh yes it can.  A good many people base their morals offa 'stranger
in a strange land.'  Not only is that overtly ficticious, it was never
billed as a guide to morals.  There are schools of thought that one of
the functions of mythology - any mythology is to provide a basis for 
morals."  Big Al looks down.

"Blimp farking soap boxes."  He makes his precarious way off.

>=if the person believed a religion's view of the world to be fact he
>=wouldn't be nonreligious.  But equally obviously the adherents of a
>=religion disagree with the premise that the religion is fiction-- and
>=_that_ is the question on which the relevance of religion to morality
>=hangs.  And unless the Pessimist has a new proof up his sleeve, that
>=controversy is likely to remain right where it stands now.  Either a
>=given religion is true and its claims (if any) with regard to morality
>=are extremely relevant, or it is false and its claims with regard to
>=morality are relevant only insofar as they coincide with whatever
>=really _is_ true about the universe.
>
>Which implies that, at best, all but one of the religions out there are
>irrelevent to morality.  At worst, all of them.
>
"Hmmm.  Maybe those religions related to the One True religion are relevant
according to their degree of relatedness?"  (Just a thought)

>=Since bowls of Alpha-Bits rarely
>=provide reasons for people to do what they do, the comparison doesn't
>=seem apt.  A person may guide her actions because she wishes to escape
>
>Perhaps not on Alpha-Bits per se, but lots of people DO base their actions on
>the results of divinations, be they horoscopes, tarot, or what have you.  How
>is looking for a message in a bowl of Alpha-Bits any more nonsensical than
>looking for one from a Ouija board?  And some people do, indeed, base their
>actions on such things.

"Hmmm.  You just may have an idea in there.  Problem is that a sensical message
is rather improbable in a bowl of alpha bits.  What you need to do is go to 
letter-by letter and write up a guide to interpretation.  Good way to make 
money."

Big Al.  Refugee from sci.sceptic.
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From: tjl9@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thomas J Lee)
Subject: A reach in the dark
Summary: A long-considered contribution to the religion discussion
Keywords: god life death
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:14:01 GMT

	The Lamplighter's friend Moonbeam has been listening with interest to
all this discussion about religion and spirituality.  He doesn't believe in a
God who wants unquestioning belief, so he thinks that all this questioning
and argument is good.  But what does he believe in?  He knows he believes in
something ...

	So he sits there, at the table by the fire, with closed eyes.  "He's
a tweener; he's not happy in any world," somebody said about him once.
Suddenly his chair is empty, and somewhere he stands in an infinite warm
blackness, reaching upward, wherever upward is.

	Hello?  Are you there?

	I'm always here.

	Do you exist?  Or are you just a figment of my imagination?

	I exist if you want me to exist.

	Did you make all that is, or are you part of it all?

	Yes.

	If you're part of it, how did you make yourself?

	I didn't.

	Then who made you?

	Nobody.  Everybody.  Everything.

	Are you everything?

	Yes.  No.  More.

	What do you want us to do?

	Be.

	Well, then, why did you make us?

	To be.

	There must be some things you'd rather have us do than other
things -- what are they?

	Be.

	'Be' how?  What do you mean by 'be?'  Be the way you are?  Be
like you?

	Yes.

	In what way?  You're beyond all we know, by our definition of you.
How can we even come close to being like you?

	Try.

---==--===-+===++==+++=*+++**++***+****#****+***++**+++*=+++==++===+-===--==---
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(Tom Lee)                   | To dominate the impossible in your life,
                            | Reach in the darkness ..."
tjl9@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu |                    -- Paul Simon
Current Listen:  Paul Simon, _Rhythm of the Saints_
Current Read:  _Linguistics_, by Akmajian, Demers, and Harnish
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 09:50:20 EST
From: The Judean Peoples' Front <IK00053@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans,rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: HoloMUCK

The official scoop on the HoloMUCK situation (per request):

1)  HoloMUCK has been bounced around a lot of late, due to the fact that
special use of the machine which it ran on in Chicago was needed.  Shortly
thereafter it was discovered that the machine in Canada wasn't sufficient
to support HoloMUCK's resource needs.

2)  As of tonight, 12/15, HoloMUCK will be moving back to its Chicago site,
which is 128.135.120.46 5757, for those of you who don't yet know.  It will
be there until Midnight of Thursday, 12/17.  I realize that isn't long, but
thems the breaks.  Take that time to make a serious evaluation of the items
you have produced on HoloMUCK, and recycle those which aren't essential to
your enjoying the game.  That includes:  duplicate objects, unused objects,
objects with lots of text that could be reduced.  We're trying to create a
more hospitable environment on Holo by eliminating some of the lag which is
caused by our huge database and lack of sufficient resources.  We are look-
ing into two new machines for the future, so these changes and recyclings
should not be permanent.

3)  The game will be down until Midnight on January 6th.  At that time it
will come back up on the Chicago site.  It will run there until a new site
can be found to house it.  We're not sure of the longevity of the Chicago
machine, thus the search for a new site.  If all goes well, there will be
no interruption of service, excluding the Christmas holiday.

4)  And while we hope to have sufficient resources in the future to cover
HoloMUCK's needs, there are going to be stricter rules enforced on building
and MUFing in the future.  This is to ensure that everyone gets a chance
to do what they want, but that we don't expand as rapidly as before.  We
went from a moderate database to a crisis level in less than one month.
This has to be controlled.  Everyone is encouraged to get rid of anything
they don't need.  This does not really include rooms, but removing some of
the text (i.e. long descriptions and text storage in properties) would be
helpful to our size problem.  I have an ultimate goal of 7500 objects to
be recycled to allow some room for newcomer expansion and whatnot.

Well, I believe that's all for now.  Hope to see you all on HoloMUCK soon,
and the management is duly humbled by complaints about the state of affairs
of the last two weeks.  With luck, such strangeness won't happen again.
--

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