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From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton....1st Women President ?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:09:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <96360@netnews.upenn.edu> Chuck Liang, liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu writes:
>In article <Bx93p1.6It@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>>This by no means is an attempt to undermine Pres.-elected Clinton's support,
>>However, many Asian-American colleagues point out the demeanor and status
>>of Hillary Clinton and that she will not be a wife that simply gives advise
>>to the President...but rather, she will actually be drafting many of the
>>legislations yet to come before the Congress.
>
>
>  Why don't you, and your colleagues, examine the role Hillary Clinton
>played while her husband was governor of Arkansas.  She was active in
>helping him to push through some programs, particularly in educational
>reform.  What's wrong with that?  There was nothing to suggest that
>she was ruling behind the scenes.  And what reasons are there to believe
>he role would be much different as first lady?  If anything her role
>would probably DECREASE simply because people like you - and there are
>many - would be constantly and irresponsibly screaming Dowager Empress.

Agreed, just think of her as a de-facto cabinet member, and somebody who 
Pres. (elect) Clinton would probaly be more willing to listen to than 
stuffy old men.  If I was married (sniff sniff), I'd probaly ask my wife
her opinion on alot of things (I do with my girlfriend, at least).  After
all, one of the reasons why (I would have) married her is because I respect
her thoughts.  So what is wrong with Pres. (elect) Clinton's wife taking
an active role in politics?

As a side point, Nancy Readan was a definate political force to deal with
in the White House when Reagan was President.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Legalizing drugs, part II
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:06:41 GMT

fehlers@cs.utexas.edu (Todd Ehlers) writes:

>friend of mine got caught in east Texas with about 2g of pot.  He got 6 months
>obation and had to go to AA meetings.  He was also supposed to be drug tested
>o to beaurocratic delays and some extra delays of his own he was able to avoid
>  Anyway about a month after his probation ended his insurance company called
>asked him about all his doctor visits at the school and stuff, finally getting
> reason they called.  They asked him about his arrest for marijuana possesion,
>hen asked him if he used coke, pot, etc.  He said he had used pot a few times
>tadley an understatement).  About two days later he received a call from his
>father, who had the health insurance policy on him; he had been dropped.

The lessons he apparently learned too late is
1) never say anything to anybody.  
2) when asked to admit to a crime, "just say no".

There is nothing, _not anything_, good that can come from admitting to
an illegal act, especialy over the phone to a stranger.

>I guess Texas is not as progressive as the Bay Area, but we all knew that.

	The bay area thing sounds like an urban ledgend.  In any case
its not typical.  The Texas boy just sounds like he wasn't too smart.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: dinneen@sequent.com (Jay Dinneen)
Subject: Political newsgroups [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [DN
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:20:34 GMT

Anyone have that list of Political Newsgroups sent out about a month
ago.  It looked real organized into many catagories and subcatagories.
I apologize if I'm not using the correct lingo.  I'm only a reader and
don't have much time for the net.
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From: giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Taxes on Foreign Companies: IRS=$3b, Clinton=$45b
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:06:26 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I noticed in yesterday's (11/11/92) WS Journal an article about the
money Clinton wants to raise by enforcing tax codes on foreign 
companies.  I'd like to know if anyone has more info on this.

Apparently, the US collects less than $1 billion in these
taxes right now even after some increased efforts in this area over the
past 2 years.  The IRS apparently says that Clinton's plan to 
use $45 billion in these taxes to help pay for the $220 billion he
proposes in funding for domestic programs will never be collected 
because it just isn't out there.  The IRS head (I don't have the name
right now.) estimates that there's $3 billion we could collect at 
the very most.  I assume that anything more than that would have to be
the result of changing the tax code.

Reading this statement from the IRS after the election
gives it more credibility in my mind, but I have no other source
to evaluate it with.

Rocky Giovinazzo
giovinaz@hks.hks.com
From: aaron@funcity.njit.edu (Aaron Watters)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: multiplying perot Re: [Bill Gates] == 6 * [H. Ross Perot]
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:45:10 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov4.135917.27908@news.media.mit.edu> elwin@maidavale.media.mit.edu (Lee W Campbell) writes:
>
>   Many of my friends feel that H. Ross Perot was the most
>qualified candidate running this year, and cite as evidence
>his tremendous success in business. I have applied this analysis
>to Bill Gates, president of Microsoft, and have come to the
>conclusion that Bill is six times as qualified as Ross. My
>reasoning is as follows: Bill made over twice as much money as
>Ross, and he made it in less than 1/3 as much time.
>...If Ross Perot can close the deficit in 4 years,
>Bill Gates ought to be able to do it in 8 months!
>
>			- Lee Campbell  <elwin@media.mit.edu>

You're heading in the right direction but your analysis is flawed.
You should ignore the literal quantities and focus on the 
average relative
rate of income gain with respect to time!  A Korean Businessman
here in Newark came here with $300 a little more than
a two years ago and now owns a store with
net worth of $60,000 -- it should take him a few days to clear
up the deficit!			-a.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: *+* NEWSFLASH *+* MUST READ !
Keywords: Say your prayers America
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:38:24 GMT

In article <rabjab.220.721004113@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>>      Tonight I have sad and disturbing news on Nov,3rd the United States
>>      America "the new Russia" had an election and again the blind majority
>>      was taken in by a slick talking used car salesman sissy boy pansy
>>      looking con artist...
>
>I voted for Bush, but as an American I think the above is uncalled for.
>Clinton will soon be President and deserves the respect of that office.

I second that. While I also voted for Bush, I'm not going around saying
how Clinton rigged the election or that Communists were involved. I'm
still very much a Republican but I don't think we should sink to the
level of what some critics have done.  That's why I'm backing off on
my cracks about Bill and Hillary Clinton.


Good natured political jokes are still OK.  I don't agree with Clinton,
but even Rush Limbaugh said those of us who voted for Bush shouldn't
be sore losers.

Simon


>
>----------------------------
>rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: giovin@medr2.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Subject: Re: What's to become of the Space Program?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:11:11 GMT

In article <rabjab.201.720915937@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>
>Ok, Clintonites, what is to become of the space program?
>
>Given the finite amount of money available and the rather heavy list
>of social programs he plans to begin, I can't see any alternative to cuts,
>probably delay or cancellation of the Space Station, the super-collider
>and other major projects.
>
>Maybe this is a good time to get a degree in Molecular Genetics and
>join the research effort against AIDS and cancer.  (By the way,
>has Clinton promised to increase AIDS research money, and if so,
>by what factor?)

I don't know by what factor, but he has made this promise.  He was
even so arrogant as to say something like, "We will cure this disease"
as sort of a rallying end to a speech.  Of course, more people will die
from heart disease in the next few weeks than all that have died from
AIDS in the past 10 years combined.. and then there's cancer etc...

Rocky Giovinazzo
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton: Marriage == Slavery?
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.033316.29196@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.013206.23295@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>>
>>	If you will find for me _any_ part of the Bible which commands
>>an _egalitarian_ marriage (not one with supposedly complementary
>>roles), I will concede that also. By egalitarian I mean something
>>comparable to friendships, especially between those of similar social
>>positions.
>>
>I'm paraphrasing, but I believe this comes from Genesis.
>
>God created woman from Adam's rib so she could stand beside him.  She was not
>created from his head to stand over him, or from his heel to be below him.  
>
>I always hear this passage at wedding ceremonies.

Yup. They said it at mine.

Pat

>  
>-- 
>Douglas C. Meier		|  Read the Democratic party platform, then       
>Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  the 1933 Nazi Germany platform.  Now note 
>This University is too Commie-	|  the similarities.
>Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu


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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,or.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:20:07 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Nov4.175312.26874@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>>
>>The question, then, becomes which if any of a,b, and c are true.  I
>>personally feel that a (for example, how much more does it cost to insure
>>a $1,000,000 deposit than a $1,000 in an FSLIC bank) and b (this argument
>>is why sales tax is considered regressive, for example) are true, if not c.
>
>Spoken like a true social engineer.
>
>If your FSLIC example is the best you can offer (it's wrong by the way
>as insurance only goes up to $100,000 deposits) then forget a).

Wrong.  FSLIC goes up to $100,000 _per_account_.  You can have $1,000,000
divided up into ten different accounts, and it's all insured.  You can have
$100,000,000 deposited in a thousand different accounts, and it's all insured.

  - Dave Borden
    borden@m5.harvard.edu
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From: tommy@hilbert.att.com (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,or.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:31:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ

fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

$ In article <1992Nov04.040747.16409@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
$ >Why don't you complete the truth?  Clinton has promised to raise taxes
$ >on the RICH!($200,000 or more)
$ 
$ Is raising their taxes any more acceptable, just because they are
$ a minority of the voters? By this logic, it is also acceptable to
$ tax _any_ minority, if the majority feels like robbing them.

Not, it is not acceptable to raise their taxes just because they are a
minority.  It is acceptable because they can afford it.

Why do so many common people defend the rich?  I think many Americans
expect that one day they will become filthy rich, through no means that
they have planned.  "It just could happen somehow."
-- 
Tom Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
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From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Deep Space 9
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jjprice@c00069-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


Hello Fellow StarTrek Fans,

Does anyone know anything about the series Deep Space 9.
A while ago I heard some stuff about it but none recently.

When will it premier (has it already and I missed it)?
 
Please E-mail jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu


-Jeff Price
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From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,or.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:06:41 GMT
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

In article <JTURNER.92Nov5105241@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> jturner@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Turner) writes:
>To say that an inheritance tax, which only taxes the unearned gains
>of the heirs, is a disincentive to anything - or that it is unfair -
>is, IMO, pure selfish nonsense of the kind which put the economy in its
>present condition.
>					--Jeff Turner

I see.  So your father worked hard his whole life, was frugal, and
invested wisely.  His goal was to leave a nest egg for his
grandchildren so they could be assured of going to college.  

This is selfish?

Now, instead of this money going to pay for said education, it
is confiscated by the government to pay for the education of some
complete stranger, after half of it is siphoned off by bureaucrats.

This is fair?!?

YOUR statement is the only nonsense involved, except for the
government stealing the money.  That theft, however, is more 
accurately described as immorality.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Net Shills for Bush-Quayle: Caught Ya, Guys
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:06:43 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.155417.23753@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.200523.10283@nntp.uoregon.edu> 
> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>> I expect all you folks who pushed the Quayle party-line (sent to you via
>> e-mail not doubt) will now insist that the tactic was legitimate.  I 
> can't
>> wait to see what your handlers give you to parrot back so you can sound
>> like people who think for yourselves.  You are unmasked, folks, and 
> having
>> allowed yourselves to be used as shills for Quayle in a line of attack 
> even
>> the Bush campaign rejected as inappropriate, your credibility is in the
>> same condition as the Bush reelection bid:  non-exisitant.
> 
> I'm sorry Eileen, but your credibility is dubious.  I, for one have never 
> had any contact by E-Mail or any other 2 way channel from anyone in the 
> Republican Party or the Bush-Quayle campaign.   As my sig says...My 
> opinions are my own.

	Eileen is apparently one of those people who believe that Reagan must
have stolen the 1980 election, that the 1980s economic boom never happened and
that Bush was the only candidate in 1992 to lie.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: America, love it or LEAVE IT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:21:30 GMT

In article <14592.2afb267d@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Conservative dorks, if you don't like way the system works, GET THE HELL
>OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!! Remember? America, love it or leave.
>
>For twelve years I had to put up with Republiclan bullshit being shoved
>down my throat, and now you lost. So shut the fuck up and put up just like
>I had to do for twelve yours. Your icons ruined our economy. Thanks alot
>assholes.
>
>If you don't like it, LEAVE THE COUNTRY, WE DON'T NEED YOU NOW, OK????
>
>Jeez...

There, there.  In the end, we're all Americans, despite the rhetorical
broadsides from both camps.  We need the talents of both camps to help
get our country out of its current troubles, and we cannot simply tell
them to go away.  Calm yourself.




And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy...1st Flip
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:44:14 GMT

In article <BxB4Iu.3Hs@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>CBS News justn reported this morning that after months of opposing the
>North American Free Trade agreement reached among Pres. Bush - Canada -
>Mexico...Pres-elect Clinton just announced that he will accept the trade
>agreement without any reservation or amendments.
 
   Come on, the Campaign is over !  You don't have to retort to the old
campaign trick of distorting someone's position. Even worse, you are
also distorting the report by CBS. 
   Categorily, your above post is a lie.

 
>
>This is flip No. 1.   Stay tuned for additional flips...signing out.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DOOKIEHEADS
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:00:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.234627.7483@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> cah@tyr.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.150724.460@lrc.edu>, dorham_r@lrc.edu rants:
>> 
>> To All cLiNtOn/gOrE supporters:
>> 
>> Thanks so much for being so stupid...
>> 
>> Democrat = idiot = stupid = pigface = pondscum = cvcc graduate
>
>I love you, too.  But I think "stupid" should come before "idiot."

I'm surprised that "commie" didn't come up....

>
>> I KNOW THAT YOU'LL VOTE REPUBLICAN NEXT TIME !!!!!!!
>
>It's possible; Alzheimer's is on the rise.

Ah, that must be the reason....


And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,or.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:54:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov11.152245.2895@gvl.unisys.com> yavo@sdosrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Steve Yavorski) writes:
>>>>	While I agree with your basic premise, why does a family with $30K
>>>>	income have 3 kids????
>>>Could be because they want them!  

>>Fine: Why should they be made immune from the consequences of this
>>choice? If they want to have more kids than they can afford, that's
>>fine. But they should live with the result: Poverty. We are under
>>no obligation to save them from their own bad judgement.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Maybe they could afford it before they had the kids.

Ok, I should have, I suppose, said "bad judgement or bad luck." I
don't feel I (directly or theough the government) have an obligation
of insure everyone against all forms of misfortune.

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: Bush for Mayor
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.200134.28297@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
>Bush for Mayor of Kennebunkport!  Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha he'd lose that one too.  Twelve years of
>horrible government - we've finally got those DIRTBAGS out of power, and
>thank god.  For the first time in over a decade, we have leaders who'll work
>with us, not against us.  I'm going to go now and gargle several times, and try
                                                   ^^^^^^

I hear lye works wonders on that post-election halitosis...

Choke on it....

And grow up...
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