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From: johnl@crash.cts.com (John Lindwall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 3D & A4000?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:29:08 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <92322.114026K3023E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET> <K3023E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
>Dear People.
>...
>I could manage to get a NEC 3D MultysyncMonitor and was wondering how good it
>works together with an A4000/A1200. I know it syncs donw to 15.6khz up to 45khz

Works just fine on my A4000.  It does have the wasted screen space like the
1960 but apparently thats not the monitor's fault.

> (i guess) which should be ok for the AA-Chips.
>A friend has it togehter with an old A500 and it works just *GREAT*. It's such
>a terrible pity it's not produced anymore.

I just bought one, new from USA Flex.

>Are there some problems with the Productivity Modes?

Not that I know of.  My WorkBench is currently running in Productivity mode
which looks very nice.

>...
>If someone has experienced using AA-Chips & Nec 3D, please post here.

Any other question?

>BTW Nr.2: IDE really so terribly bad?

Not that I can tell, performance-wise;  but expansion-wise its a dud.

>Regards, Werner.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: Networking?  WHY?!!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:46:38 GMT
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In article <1992Nov10.180858.17244@galois.mit.edu> rlv@runge.mit.edu (Ralph Vinciguerra) writes:
[Most deleted]
>
> I'm excited to read about the possibility for homebrew arcnet
> adapter designs for the parallel port.....

 Interesting. And how about the software ? What are you using ?

 Anyway, be sure to be friendly to the CIAs :)

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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:42:13 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
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In article <1992Nov17.073316.5646@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

> 	Has anyone noticed the following on an A4000?:  When "heavy" hard 
> 	disk activity is going on the video "jitters" up and down.
> 
> 	I have just started noticing this.  I haven't noticed whether it 
> 	happens on all programs, definitely when using SAS/C 6.  I would
> 	suspect a power supply problem.  Any ideas or similar experiences?

Nope. But I doubt it's the PSU. I'm guessing it is due to the fact that SASC
6.0 is both very processor and hd-access active. And that IDE hd transfers
data by having the 040 poll it. (Correct terminology?) I get the idea that
the display is suffering from a very high load on the bus. Have you tried
getting a GVP SII (v4.5) or A2091 from a friend and running SASC of that?
 
CYa, Paul

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From: dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Why did CBM even bother with the 600?
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:46:10 EST
Organization: Dejital Software

In article <1992Nov4.205658.11391@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) writes:
>	So, CBM, where am I wrong?  Who is going to buy A600's when CDTV
>and A1200 exist now?

The A600 is an excellent presentation delivery system.  It's small.
Pack it in a briefcase, along with an LCD overhead projector screen
and Scala or AmigaVision and your presentations can fly.

CBM marketing, are you listening? :-)

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From: pati@milton.u.washington.edu (Pati Irish)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Supra HD HELP!
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:55:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.pati.722019359
Organization: University of Washington


        I have a Amiga 500 w/Supra SCSI Interface + 40 meg quatom. I just
formated the drive last night and now whenever I try to access it, or actually
whenever i turn the computer on it just constantly guru's. The only way to
escape the guru is to unplug the controller card, dcan anyone help me here?
Thanks..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Amiga4000(IDE)/486Sx(IDE)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:53:49 GMT

If I add a G Gate 486Sx(760) and a SVGA graphics card. Do I only have one
expansion slot left?

That would mean I ain't got any expansion slots left since I need to add a 
SCSI2 card.


PS: For your information the A4000 has three ISA-standard IBM AT slots for 
	use with a PC bridgeboard. These PC slots are in-line with the three 
	Zorro III slots. ie. add a PC-board and loose a Zorro III slot and 
	Vice Versa. 

PS/2: Where is the question? You didn't get it......I WANT SCSI on 
	the MOTHERXXXXXXXBOARD. Ok? Ok.  I mean no evil I'm just born that
	way..................long live the revolution.

Hans C Sander
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: anm@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Andreas Mueller)
Subject: Kick 2.0 for A1000, how?
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:38:47 GMT
Keywords: A1000

Is it possible to use the Kick 2.0 in the A1000?
Regarding my motherboard, there are two sockets which are 
unused (even second and odd second).
Is there a discription (hack) available?
 
Thanks in advance

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: philipm@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Philip Marivoet)
Subject: Reply to henning (about RETINA)
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:56:47 GMT

Hi henning, I lost your e-mail adres so here's your reply.

>I heard that the board would have something like a blitter. Is this the 
>mentioned "controller"?? I suppose no.

The flyer I have does mention something about some special 'BitBlit' logic on the
card. I suppose this is some kind of blitter. The person whom I spoke to at the
show said that they have a whole gfx chip sitting on it. The only thing your
processor has to do is to send it some primitive gfx-commands. They were also
running a little demo on the card drawing lines/pixels/squares/circles in various
resolutions. I personally thought that this was quite fast although the card
was fitted into a non-accelerated A2000.

>> ...
>> - Supports AutoConfig(TM)

>What does this mean??? If RTG is ready the board gets new firmware which
>offers the RTG-necessary routines of the board at boot time so that every-
>thing can be shown on the cards monitor even before the boot is finished ??

MMM... something like that I suppose. It does at least mean that it should be easy
to get it up and running together with other expansion cards. (automatic
resolving of address space conflicts etc...)

>> - Transfer rate: ca. 3.5 MB/sec, uses full capacity of the zorro-II bus
>>    (0 wait states) pixel frequency up to 90 MHz, transfer rate in own
>>    ram up to 10 MB/sec

>Doesnt this block the Zorro-Bus under certain circumstances (I hope the full
>bandwidth of the bus isnt needed all the time :-))?

Nah, probably not. But if you're running some kind of animation on it, I suspect
that you will notice the effect on other devices attached to the bus.

>Henning

-Ives

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: A4000 QC problems?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:29:30 GMT

In the last couple of days, I've read more complaints about non-functioning
4000s straight from the factory than in over a year about Amigas in general...
is C= cutting corners?

Thom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: PCMCIA Modem/Ethernet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:36:39 GMT
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I just read about that there are several PCMCIA cards avail, which might be
interesting for Amgia, too.
There is for instance a PCMCIA Modem and a Ethernet-adaptor.

How would you adress them ? Is a special software needed, or can i just plug
them in ? I would guess a device driver is needed.

For the Networkers at Commodore: Consider this possibility, too ! :)

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From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: What Cable Do I Need?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:33:58 GMT

I've just ordered a Maxtor 85Mb 2.5" IDE drive for my A1200, unfortunately
the supplier was unable to supply a cable to go with it: so does anyone know
if there is anything special I need, or is if just a straight IDE cable?

The manual says that the A1200 IDE controller interface is a 40 pin AT-BUS,
but I took the cover off the A1200 and counted 44 pins (22 pins in line), so
is this 40 pins plus Power or what?

Any suggestions appreciated, mail me direct, and when I get it sorted I'll
forward the final result for anyone else with the same situation...

Cheers!

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University of Southampton        \xx/            to go on this side of my
England.                                         signature, any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: A3000 ps, help!!!
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:32 GMT

In article <Bxw027.Fw6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Salamon) writes:
>2327berdanr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>>Hardware gurus,
>>Recently experienced a beautiful blue spark coming from my serial port while 
>>plugging in a cable. (while computer was on -> oopps)  anyways  checked the
>>cia's its not that, and now I noticed that the fan and powersupply doesn't t
>>turn on (ie the computer's dead).  Should the fan be turning while the ps
>>is not connected?  What does it mean if the fan and power comes on and
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		 Remember this.  It will be important later. :-)

>>then shuts off quickly-- thats what it is doing now.  Thanks for your help
>
>This should be in a FAQ list.  The A3000 power supply has a nice feature where
>it will not turn on if there is too low a resistance between the outputs and
>ground, i.e. if there is a short circuit.  This saves you having to replace
>your power supply when you keep plugging in cables while the machine is on.
>
>Your spark caused a short to ground.  You need to check where it is.

  If he really has his PSU disconnected from the motherboard and all
the drives, it probably isnt comming up because it has no load.  Switching
power supplies are like that.  Find some load resistors and load down
the +5 and +12 with an amp or so of current draw out of the supply and
then try to turn it on again.  

  Most PSU's also have a overvoltage circuit to shut down itself if current
draw goes thru the roof.  But I would bet that he is seeing the no load
problem.

>David

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie)
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:01:28 GMT
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s9877751 (s9877751@phobos.ucc.umass.edu) wrote:
: TAKE YOUR POLITICAL SHIT ELSEWHERE!
: 
Of course, if probably takes more time to bitch about this thread than
it does to put it in a kill file, or, god forbid, not even select it
for reading in the first place....
From: Kenneth_Ekman@augs.se (Kenneth Ekman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 -=> 68EC040
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:27:50 CET
Organization: Amiga User Group - Sweden

In article <1eiub4INN9qn@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod
Kalicun) writes:
>Well Amiga Format (UK Magazine) reviewed the 4000 and they said it was a
>68EC040. (without FPU or MMU).
>
>Has anyone from C= actually said that its a true 040??
>I don't want to write into the mag, to set them straight if I haven't got
>my facts right. Unfortunately I'm a student and can't afford a 4000 YET,
so
>can't see it.
 
There is no doubt that the A4000 has the full blown 68040. I have a C=
press
release that states that the processor has integrated FPU and MMU units.
 
On the article mentioned, I recently browsed a UK magazine, that had
reviewed the 4000, in which hardly one feature was correct!
For example they stated that the chipset didn't have a HAM mode anymore and
that the excellent MultiView could not open it's own screen, both of which
are untrue.
 
It might be the same review as the one you're referring to, I don't know,
but if it was, the error you mentioned wasn't the only one...
 
>Any chance of introducing an educational discount C= ????
>
>Vlod
 
That's *exactly* what I'm hoping for :-)
 
  ___/ Ken... (EE student at the University of Linkoping, Sweden) it was a

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Re: '030EC - Uses for MMU on Amigas?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:48:54 GMT
Keywords: 68030EC, 68030, GVP A530

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>In article <7445@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> h8eg083@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (Darren Gower) writes:

[...]

>> Further, just how much use is the MMU in an AmigaDOS environment? I know
>> enforcer uses it (and I do a fair amount of 'C' programming), but is it
>> worth forking out approx. $400 more to get it just for that? Are there any
>> other uses?

>Proably not (worth it).

What about SetCPU/CPU FASTROM. And what about virtual memory support tools
like GigaMem?  

>-- 
>George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...

winnie.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: david@dflores.eagle.mission.tx.us (David Sergio Flores)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  HAM Radio on Amigas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:19:40 GMT
Organization: Dave's Amiga
Keywords: HAM Radio Amiga


  Does anyone remember (about 7 years ago) there was some sort of program for 
the pc, apple, and color computer that would let you receive satalite weather
pictures.  I had a Color computer at the time but never got to test the 
program.  All you had to do is hook up a short wave radio to the casset 
input of the computer.  The program would tell you when you got the tuning 
correct.  There was also some sort of time schedual of when the satalite 
transmissions happned.  If you computer was on at that time, and your radio 
was tuned to the correct frequency, you would get the immage.

  If anyone is interested, I can lookup the color computers program in an 
old copy on "The Rainbow" mag.  It mentioned what other computers had access 
to such a program.  Email me.

David Sergio Flores
david@dflores.eagle.mission.tx.us


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: cs922012@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY MARTIN CARMAN)
Subject: Re: 3M MCD-40 Tape Drives & HDBackup
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.181142.8261@col.hp.com> dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin) writes:
>I have two (yes 2, and *no* I don't want to sell one!) of the 3M MCD-40 tape
>drives.  I use either BTNTAPE 2.1 or usually Quarterback 5.0 with them.
>It is great being able to back up two hard drives at the same time, there
>doesn't seem to be much SCSI bus contention (this is with a C=2091).
>
>BTNTAPE and TAR are available from the Fred Fish collection.  BTNTape requires
>that you create a mountlist and that you use TAR to do the backups/restores.
>Quarterback 5.0 just asks for the SCSI id, no mountlist required.  BTNTAPE 
>supports multi-volume tape sets (if the MCD-40 has the correct roms) but 
>Quarterback doesn't seem to support this, it gives a write error and quits
>instead of asking for a new tape volume (maybe AmiBack does support multi-
>volume tapes).  As long as I remember this and don't try to back up more than 
>39.8 meg per tape (I use 40m partitions anyway), QB works fine.
>
>Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
>

	I recently bought a used GVP 030 50Mhz Combo board with a 425 Quantum.
Ever since I installed it in my A2000 (with a KickBack ROM switch (by ICD) 
board, running 2.04 and a switch for 1.3) and 2 floppies. I have had trouble using the DF1: drive. SID 2 says the drive is  not mounted. And when I try Mount
it says I am missing the definition in the MountList. But the Mountlist has no
flopy definition. Am I missing something obvious or is it the fault of card?
	Actaully, I have had DF1: work once, and when I booted in 68000 mode
and Ran Shadow Of The Beast (I actually bought it eh? Cool game) 3 it seemed to use the Df1: drive. Help me please, I like using 2 floppies. 
 
			Geoffrey Carman
			cs922012@ariel.yorku.ca
PS Email or public reply is ok. I read tis base on a daily basis.
From: martinh@cac.washington.edu (Martin Hunt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is A2065 Ethernet adapter compat with A4000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:34:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.193412.23318
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <BxvGGA.121@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.204641.26095@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> In article <BxtnvB.85s@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de writes:
>[Arguments]
>> > I really hope that the AS225 will be _heavily_ overworked, the software
>> > is ... not nice, tho it tend to be surprisingly stable.
>>
>> What is not nice about it?  I have RLoginVT sessions going all day long and
>> use FTP several times each day with no problem.
>
> Well, i can't use Rlogin here. SO i have to deal with telnet. The supplied telnet
> is: ugly, uses PAL, is no PubScreen, has no Menues....
>
> There is no talk(d), no nfsd, the fingerd is crippled, the nfsmgr seems to eat
> all CPU sometimes, the configuration is difficult (for NewUsers), and much more :)

With configuration, there are those who want it to be as unix-like as possible and
those who think we should try to simplify configuration somehow.  NeXT tried the
latter and all I have heard is criticism.

You should file a bug report or nfsmgr.  I haven't seen any problems 
like you mention.

>
> I hope there will be BSD-sockets in a future version, so we could easily port
> Unix-Software (using gcc for example).

This has been available to developers for almost a year.

>
>> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
> Basically, the AS225 software runs. But there are dozen of features missing.

A fully featured TCP/IP networking distribution would include dozens of
applications along with documentation, include files, sample code, etc.
There just isn't the demand for TCP/IP on Amigas to justify the large effort
it would take Commodore to port all these over to the Amiga.  The reasonable
thing for them to do is release the next version with all the developer's files
and allow the Amiga community to port the networked applications they want.

AS225 release 1 came out 2 years ago.  Release 2 should fix most of the
major problems.

>
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From: snolan@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A3000 1.3 Partition
Keywords: A3000 KS1.3
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: snolan@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

Get into HDtoolbox and rename the partition,
make no other changes and you data will be fine.
Save the changes to the partition,
warm boot.

Should be visible if you renamed it to something:
1) other than wb_1.3:
2) unique (different than all other partitions.

ScottD
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Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

			- Ralph Waldo Emerson
From: aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Battery for A500 clock
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:03:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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I'm getting a "Battery Backed-up clock not found" response from
setclock opt load 
in my startup-sequence.

I figured that the battery needs to be replaced.
I then proceeded to disconnect and turn my A500 over to get at the RAM 
expansion, I found out that the board is a MicroBotics M501 RAM board.

I guess that the blue thing...big and barrel-like is the battery it has:
VARTA 3/60 DK
written on it.

The only thing is that it seems soldered in place...maybe it's just a tight 
fit. I didn't want to play around too much...

My question is...what's my next step?
Do I buy a new board...seems silly and fruitless.

Where can I find a new battery? What if the battery *is* soldered in place?

Should I get an A501 or other better(?) RAM board?

Any help is appreciated...would also prefer E-mail since I'm not on Usenet 
that often.

Thanx in advance.

[th]



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