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From: koops@asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops)
Subject: Atari ST's for sale
Reply-To: koops@asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: ca, usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:55:38 GMT
Keywords: sale

Netters,

	I'm posting this for a buddy of mine.  If this is the wrong
Newsgroup for it, Flame me in E-mail and I'll cancel it (if you tell
me where I should post it).  He's been bugging me for a while to do
this, so here goes:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-      FOR SALE      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------

COMPLETE SYSTEM INCLUDING:

 HARDWARE

     - MEGA ST2 (not STE)
     - Monochrome Monitor with Tilt Base
     - ATARI PS3000 Colour Monitor (yes that model # 
       is correct. This RARE Atari monitor has a BUILT
       IN single sided disk drive and looks great on
       top of the Mega ST2 case.)
     - SX212 1200b. modem
     - monitor master
     - extra-long keyboard extension cable

 SOFTWARE

     - Spectrum 512, Hyper Link, Band-In-A-Box,
       TDI Modula-2, GFA Basic 3, STOS, Atari Planetarium

     - Grand Prix, Sim City, Captive, Starglider II,
       Speedball 2, Death Bringer, War in Middle Earth,
       Powermonger, Gauntlet II (with 4 player adapter)...

     - SPECTRE 128 (no roms)

 MISC

     - Lots of ST magazines and some ST books
     - Most Hardware & Software comes with original boxes &
       manuals

 All this and more for $ 750.00    [ed.  Canadian funds --LJK]
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PRINTER

     - STAR NX1000 Rainbow colour 9-pin printer
     - printer cable
     - 5 NEW colour print ribbons

 $ 150.00 [ed. Canadian funds -- LJK]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
If interested call me:

                    Greg Davies
                    London, Ontario, CANADA
                    (519) 672-8268

     If there is no answer leave a message on the machine and I will 
call you back as soon as possible. If you speak to my girlfriend and
she sounds like she doesn't know what she is talking about, it's only 
because she doesn't. Unfortunately, my school and work schedules make 
it impossible to let you know when I can be reached.

NO EMAIL !!! Sorry, but this is not my account.

> [Ed. send e-mail if you must and I'll forward to Greg  --Luke Koops--]

THANKS FOR READING
----------------------------------------------------------------------


-Luke Koops (koops@csd.uwo.ca)
From: mbaffoni@skat.usc.edu (Michael Baffoni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP! Stuck in some Fantasy games
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:48:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu
Keywords: CSB, LoF, Eden, Phant I

In article <1992Oct15.182730.20885@cs.ruu.nl> kpetouss@cs.ruu.nl (Kos Petoussis) writes:
>
>   Those stupid games... Why do I play them ?

	Because you have nothing better to do?  :)  I wish I had your problem.
:)!!

>   Please help me if you know any answers to the following riddles:
>
>Legend of Faerghail:

[stuff deleted]

Love?  It wounds thousands of hearts but does not draw blood (well, by itself.
Ask Romio and Juliet about whether it draws blood...:)

>Chaos Strikes Back:

	Got me.  I've been too busy with a million other things to even 
finish DM I.  I wonder if I'll ever get to CSB...:(

>Phantasie I:
>  I have visited the Gods, collected all the runes except WATER. 
>  I can't find it. Do you know where it is ?

	Water is in the castle of the Gods, somewhere.  It may be a secret
room, but it definately is in a room similar to where you get the rest of the
runes.


>**********************************************************************
>* Looking around each corner hoping to see, a way home away to       *
>* break free   and to leave...    Alternate Reality                  * 
>* K. O. S. Productions @1992                                         *
>**********************************************************************

	Speaking of which, has anyone ever seen an Alternate Reality Dungeon
disk?  Was the City the only one made for the ST?

-Mike





Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dk3uz@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Edmund Ramm)
Subject: Re: GCC / G++ setup again
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:28:39 GMT
Keywords: GNU C C++ MiNT setup FAQ

saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes:

>It is not useful or appropriate to tell me to RTFM.  I have.  It's out of
>date, and fragmented.  Or rather, with all the hands working on keeping
>GNU stuff current on the ST, the world is fragmented.  I'm asking for a
>central location to look to find out how things stand ->now<-.
   I couldn't agree more violentissimo!!!

   cu, Eddi


UUCP:     uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh.hanse.de!dk3uz     |  Real:  Edmund H. Ramm
AMPRNET:  dk3uz%dk3uz@db0hhn.ampr.org [44.130.0.81]  |  AX.25: dk3uz@db0hb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: weiss@uklira.informatik.uni-kl.de (Gerhard Weiss AG v. Puttkamer)
Subject: Re: Spectre
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.162159.15568@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jad2433@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Yes Spectre fans, I too have had a hard time getting through to Dave Small
>I would guess he has,
>A; Bugged out and is on hold for a while, not willing to address the public,
>B; OR, and most likely, he is really getting to busness and trying to get
>out more of his SST boards, and a software upgrade.
>
>Lets hope its B
>
>I have spectre 128, and a MegaTalk Board which I have some interesting
>stories about, If you care to start up a diaalog about it I'm willing.
>I'd also be willing to buy a used "working" GCR cartridge from someone,
>without the rom's, if there is such a person out there.
>
>If you know a Mac harddrive that will actually start up with MegaTalk SCSI
>(all do not) in Mac mode, I'd like to know that as well.
>
>Thanks Justin
All harddrives working on a Mac Plus are working on MegaTalk SCSI
(At least all I have available here). Can you tell your problems a bit
clearer? Maybe there is something you missed.

Gerd


-- 
Dipl.-Inform. Gerhard Weiss  *   Universitaet Kaiserslautern   *  FB Informatik
AG Prof.Dr. v. Puttkamer  *  P.O.Box 3049  *  W-6750 Kaiserslautern  *  Germany
Phone +49 631 2052656 * Fax +49 631 2052803 * E-mail weiss@informatik.uni-kl.de
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Anyone know where to get a disk cataloger for my HD?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:05:54 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1687AE856.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
>
>  I would like to have a list of all my MOD files that I keep on my hard
>drive.  I have FTPed many disk catalog programs from A.A., but they are
>all for floppy disks.  Anyone have a program that could help me?

Check out STDCAT51B at atari.archive.  It supports hard drives.




-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp   Contributing Editor, Atari Explorer Online
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)            Vice-President, ABACUS User Group
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: How?
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.114542.29999@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
> I too would recommend fast basic, particularly if you can get the
> cartridge version.  Personally I have always found assembly language
> on the 68k series to be very easy to code and I almost always write
> pure code for my applications, but obviously this wouldn't suit
> everybody.  The assembler that comes with fast basic is pretty
> adequate but not wonderful, although I find that the mix of an
> interpreted basic and machine code is perfect for program development.
> 
> Mark


Something I've wondered ever since I bought my first computer (around 6th
grade)....How does one go about learning to program in assembly language? 
There really aren't any words are there?  It doesn't seem like it could be the
same as learning BASIC, Pascal, or COBOL...is it?


				-Matt McCabe
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Jack - from Commodore to Atari
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:54:20 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <aZ7msB1w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> cpb@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Chris Billows) writes:
>What I want to know is:
>
>How is it that Jack Tramael(?) managed to be so successful with the C-64 
>and Commodore and yet can't repeat that success with Atari?
>
>Surely the ST line of computers is superior to the C-64. But I remember 
>those "I Adore My 64" commericals.
>
>Anybody care to voice their opinion?

My analysis has been that the Tramiels planned on the "demise" of the ST in
the US.  I don't think they planned this from the beginning in 1985, but it
seems that after the growth period in 1988, everything started to go downhill
and that's when they decided it wasn't worth their while to push it.  Why
push something that you know isn't going to go anywhere?

Now, a lot of people, myself included, know that the ST is one amazing computer
that can compete with MS-DOS machines and Macs.  Despite that, I think the
Tramiels saw that the ST technology wasn't going to last too long, and instead
of giving it a big marketing push in '89, or '90, just let it go by the
waistside and concentrate on new technologies, like the Falcon I suppose (when
was the STE introduced?).  Perhaps the big problem with the ST and mass 
marketing it in the US is its screen resolutions.  They can't compare with
VGA and SuperVGA, yet that's how people compare machines in our marketplace.

I've heard indications that the Falcon is the new beginning.  They want to
start off like they did in 1985, and get the growth period in the US that they
had in 1987-88.  They announced the Falcon at the Boston Computer Society show
in September, just like they did in 1985.  What's different this time is that
Atari is in better financial shape than they were in 1985 and there's tons and
tons of excellent software that's already out there.

-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp   Contributing Editor, Atari Explorer Online
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)            Vice-President, ABACUS User Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: Falcon Refresh Rates
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:19:04 GMT

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>> can easily see the difference if you focus on something (or 
>> somewhere) slightly above your monitor. You will see that it 
>> flickers a lot. (But that's already a lot better on 60Hz.)

>wrong. TVs operate at 60Hz period. what makes them flicker is that
>they're interlaced to effectively double the vertical resolution.

But the flicker I was talking about is easily seen with an all white COMPUTER
generated picture.

>a -full- frame is only drawn on a TV every 30th of a second. half
>frames (even/odd scan lines) are drawn at 60Hz. scan doublers
>-also- work at 60Hz, but buffer the previous half frame and draw
>the whole thing in one 1/60 second sweep instead of 2. this is
>also the method 'flicker-fixers' on the Amiga use.

Isn't what you say a particular phenomenon of NTSC? Anyway, there are
definitely TVs with 100Hz refresh rate.

>is PAL standard. if i remember correctly, flourescent lights also
>operate at 60Hz without noticable flicker. it isn't until they get 
>old and start 'misfiring' that you notice the flicker.

Fluo lights and light bulbs are a different story because they consist of just
one `pixel'.

-- 
Annius Victor Groenink      Universiteit Utrecht      PTT Research Leidschendam
Mathematics/Comp. Sc.        avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       +31 70 3325445 (weekdays)
Atari ST/Music          A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl  +31 70 3464732 (evenings)
_____________My opinions are my opinions____________  +31 5700 29396 (weekends)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Subject: Re: A question & a comment
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:09:06 GMT

In article <13Oct92185355wlm200@cyberden.uucp> solo-p@cyberden.uucp writes:
>
>Comment:
>    Why hasn't anybody mentioned what seems to me to be the most likely
>reason for the Falcon using the STe style case:  Wasn't that the last case
>that Atari managed to get FCC type B certification for?  I don't recall ever
>hearing that the TT or the MSTe had gotten type B approval (a pity, really.
>I do prefer the detached keyboard).

Yes, FCC type B certification was granted for both the Mega STe and the
TT (I believe the Mega STe was first, the TT to start with only had type
A certification).

>
>Question:
>    I've been trying to get the PBM utilities working on my MSTe.  I'm not
>using a command line, so I've renamed the files to .TTP.  When I do this,
>they work just fine on my wife's STacy (with NeoDesk), but when I try it on
>my machine, I get lockups, bombs, and all kinds of garbage.  I've tried
>dropping back to 8mHz, turning the blitter off, everything I can think of.
>Does anyone have any ideas?

I don't believe you can use these utilities as .TTP programs.  I tried the
same thing on my 520 and it doesn't work.  The problem is you need to 
redirect the output (since the utilities use the standard output) to a
file, for example :

	shell > giftoppm pic.gif > pic.ppm

Gulam works just fine for this type of stuff.   I don't know the reason
for the bombs and things, but you have to do this process from within a
shell.

>
>     Actually, if someone can point me to a program to convert Spectrum
>directly to a standard 24 bit format, ie Targa or TIFF, I'll junk the whole
>PBM package.
>
>     Either solution would be fine.
>
>     Thanx,
>       S.P.
>
>   /----------------------------------------------------------------------\
>   |   Casey Karp (Solo Polyphony)   |         GEnie: solopolyfony        |
>   | Unemployed librarian about town | moon!cyberden!solo-p@well.sf.ca.us |
>   \----------------------------------------------------------------------/
>---
> * OLX 2.2 * YAPT -- Yet Another Pointless Tagline
>     

Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Something about MTOS and TOS 4.0...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:26:40 GMT

In article <BvxvC1.Hq2@iat.holonet.net>, wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes:
> 
>>In article <Bvvw8r.D7v@iat.holonet.net>, wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>>> Multi-TOS is a rewrite of the AES. It of course handles all the multi-tasking
>>> stuff, But, It Does not include the animated icons, new VDI, etc
>>> thats TOS 4.0. 
> 
>>Don't believe this.
> uh oh.... 

> so multi-tos includes the new graphic enhances as well?
> multi-tos and 4.0 mean the same thing? are they "inseperable"?
> whats the story?

I honestly don't know what the final version of MultiTOS is going
to look like, and even if I did I wouldn't be able to say.
I do know that MultiTOS is still under development, so nobody outside
of Atari knows for sure what the final version will look like (and
quite possibly nobody inside of Atari knows, either :-))

From what I've heard on GEnie, 4.0 and MultiTOS are not "inseparable";
the single tasking TOS on the Falcon will have the new desktop
enhancements. But I don't have any particular inside information on
this, just what I've read.

> but since you wrote the original, I definately believe you.

Just to clarify: I wrote MiNT, which is a part of MultiTOS. I didn't
have anything to do with the desktop or AES enhancements of MultiTOS,
nor am I presently an employee of Atari (so nothing I say should be
viewed as being in any way "official"!).
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: uucp for TOS
	<1992Oct14.135222.19015@echo.philips.nl>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:11:00 MET

In <1992Oct14.135222.19015@echo.philips.nl>, John Janssen writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm also looking for something that runs on TOS (or better with its user 
>interface using GEM) and acts as UUCP-node, or whatever you call it.
>
>What I actually wanna do is:
>- have access to internet straight away, so run email and nn or alike;
>- be accessible for others (which is in fact email);
>- even better use ftp as well (although not necessarily).
>
>What I do NOT want is:
>- Run something else than TOS as operating system!!!!!!
>- Use a terminal program to login to a UNIX system (as that is what I
>  currently do), as I hate CLIs, vi, etc, as I bought my first Atari
>  back in 85 because of its user interface (and I still love it)!
>
>So if someone knows such a program that will run on my MEGA STE I will
>be more than happy.
>
>Thanks!
>
>John
>-- 
>John Janssen         Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl      <-- May stop soon(?)
>The Netherlands      or:    johnj@echo.tds.philips.nl  <-- same
>Work: +31 40 756425  or:    John.Janssen@atehv.bso.nl  <-- Back in Nov. 92
>Home: +31 77 513177  Atari Mega STE, PC 386 SX, MIDI, C

Hermes offers all exept FTP, and is userfreindly when installed. It is NOT
easy to install if you don't know a shit about sitenames, usernames, hostnames,
sys-file etc. I use Hermes V1.03 (there should be a v1.04 available too) and
are pleased with it. It will run well on a MSTE4 with at least 5-10MB free
diskspace.
-- 
  _______________________________________________________
 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
/ Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
-----------------------------------------------------------
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GNU C++ Game Library - users wanted (need G++)
Keywords: c++ game library
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au


Anyone wanting to try out my C++ game library, please reply, and I'mm
give details for getting it.  All sources, and .olb included.

The library is called "AMS" - Atari Machine Specific library.  It's not
TOTALLY dedicated to games, but they are usually machine-specific for
efficiency reasons.

AMS includes:

	Block Maps (32 pixel, 16 pixel, colour or monochrome)
	CrackArt and Degas picture IO
	Double Buffering
	Sprites (16/32 pixel wide, preshifted/not, colour/monochrome)
	Fast Counters (for scores, etc)
	Joysticks
	Resolutions
	Screens
	Sound (not sampled sound yet, but coming soon)
	Timer

Manual entries included. (not nroff, but in Unix-manual style)

Some very simple examples included.

Sprite generator included ("spr") - generates anti-aliased sprites from
larger Degas/CrackArt originals - such as the rotated planes & tanks in
my Combat game.


So.  Contact me if you want to try it out.  It is all Free, and protected
by GLPL, so you can modify and/or pass it on.  Programs written using the
library will be YOURS, your only obligation is to provide recipients with
linkable objects (eg. in library form) for you code and AMS sources when
you distribute your programs - details can be found in the "man/copying.lib"
file in the distribution.  And since AMS sources are a tiny 28K compressed,
that is no hassle at all!


--
Warwick
--
  _-_|\      warwick@cs.uq.oz.au            /Disclaimer:
 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /   C references are NULL && void*
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Subject: Re: Pure C ?
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:37:44 GMT

mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace) writes:

>Hi Folks,

>I had someone ask me the other day where is it possible to
>obtain the 'Pure C' compiler for the ST ?

>Anyone know ? Address, and 'phone number of supplier would
>be useful.

>Many Thanks,

>Mike


Mike:         

Try Gribnif Software in the United States.  They distribute Pure C
in North America.  They're located at:

   Box 350
   Hadley, MA  01035

Hope this helps.

Garth

>****
-- 
Garth Wood          |  "A witty saying of some kind."
garth@splunge.uucp  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: FAX Modems and Atari ST (where? $?)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:43:05 GMT

bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:


>    Hi.  I was wondering what was avialable for the atari st as far as
>fax modems and related software.  I'd like to know what is avialable, what
>is good/bad, prices and places to buy.  thanks for your help.

STraight Fax from Joppa Software Developement is the only one I have seen
although there is supposed to be another (German I think). STraight fax
supports ASCII, IMG, Degas, Calamus, PageStream, GDOS and the ever elusive
FSM-GDOS file formats for sending. It requires as CCITT Group III class 2
compatible faxmodem. I use a Supra and it works very well as does the software
from Joppa. You can reach them at (717) 428-3231 in Dallastown PA USA.

--
Dan Cable                            e-mail cable@crs.cl.msu.edu
Canton MI USA planet Earth           Compuserve 75266.353
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: chuckies@cs.mcgill.ca (Charles J. Savoie)
Subject: Re: Truncating files in C
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:38:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.040149.5396@cs.mcgill.ca> bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick BETREMIEUX) writes:
>In article <10592282.84680.9744@kcbbs.gen.nz> Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt) writes:
>>I'm using Prospero C and I need to be able to truncate a file at a certain 
>>offset.  I can't see any immediate way to do this, can anyone suggest 
>>a solution?
>
>
>I'll admit to never trying this before, but it just might work (Try it on
>unimportant files, on unimportant disks first)
>
>open the file for write ony
>lseek to the desired place
>write a EOF (^D)
>close file
>
>tell me if it works.

I doubt it, Patrick...  The EOF is a valid character too, especially if
the file is a binary file. Also, the actual file size wouldn't be
changed... And finally, on the ST, EOF is (-1) (i.e. 255), NOT ^D
(too much UNIX these days, eh?)

Nope, the only way I can see is to open the file for reading, create another
file for writing, copy n bytes, close both files, unlink the first,
rename the second...

Of course, you can always try and figure out how to do this using the
actual disk FAT, etc... but good luck...

Charles

-- 

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From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Trouble with floppy.
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:26:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Oct7.122659.19967
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

I just replaced s disk drive in a Mega2-ST, and it works well until a second
drive is plugged in... then both drives fail.  I was wondering if this could
be a problem with the 2nd drive trying to answer as drive A... or what else
might cause the problem.  I'm baffled right now and havn't had time to fool
with it (mid-terms).  

Feel free to post responses, but do E-mail as well.  Fall break is coming
soon and things expire well before I return.

cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu
jc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech