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From: yjkim@stein.u.washington.edu (Yong Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Adding an Air Cond to a new car
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:52:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1jv338INNb3l
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

One of my friend just purchased a new Corolla DX without 
an air conditioner. Now he is willing to add the air cond.
for the car. Could anybody tell us how we can negotiate
a Toyota dealership? He would like to know how much he
should pay (i.e. a kind of acceptable price range).
Thanks a lot! Oh, please, e-mail to me.  I will reply
to anyone who might have the same question.
-- 
Yong J. Kim  yjkim@milton.u.washington.edu
Department of Management Science
School of Business Administration
University of Washington
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle size vs. safety (was: Crash Test Info ... )
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.003725.28094@tandem.com>, norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.194240.9187@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
|> |> What does the data say about accident rates for large and small vehicles
|> |> normalized for age of driver?  
|> 
|> I interpret the posting to mean that given that an accident has
|> occurred, the driver of the big car is 2.8X less likely to die in
|> the accident.  It does not seem to address rates of occurrence of
|> accidents.
|> 
|> If we are talking about accident rates, what do you presume is the
|> correlation between size of car and age of driver, and what does this
|> have to do with accident rates.

There are a number of factors that are left out of the simple "2.8 times
more likely to die in a small car" conclusion.  The types and speeds of
accidents have a significant factor on survival.  

If most of the large car accidents involve single car incidents at low
speed (a typical elderly driver scenario in Arizona) and most of the
small cars are driven by young drivers at high speed then the data will
be skewed.

What most of these studies do is evaluate the total recorded accidents
and try to find some trend.  What really must be done is to categorize
each type of accident and only draw conclusions by accident type.  There
is no argument that running head on into a large car with a smaller one
has a predetermined bias against the small car, but for other types
of accidents at various speeds, impact angles, and objects the results
are not so obvious.  One of the people in our car club was hit in the
side of his Corvette by a Geo Metro and the Corvette was almost totally
demolished.

Another factor in the small car safety debate is the basic presumption
that everyone will have an equal change of being in a accident.  What I
have always wanted to see was an analysis of probability of an accident
versus car size for a given age group.    I can recall at least one
incident in recent months where I avoided a chain reaction impact in heavy 
traffic solely because I was able to fit in between the car ahead of me
and the freeway barrier wall.  If I had been a foot or two wider, there
would have been a chain reaction impact with the car ahead and the car
behind.  

The worst thing that Ralph Nader (and others to follow) has been to 
redefine safety as being survivability in the absence of any personal
action.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: valmh@cbnewse.cb.att.com (valentin.m.hossu)
Subject: Volvo 850 question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:07:25 GMT
Keywords: Volvo 850

I followed the discussion on this group for a few days and failed to see
any talk on what I am about to ask. If this topic was dealt with before, 
maybe one of you can send me a summary.

Does anybody have concrete experience with the new Volvo 850. I already
read most of the official publications. I am looking for first hand experience.
Also, I'd like to know about your experience of dealing with Volvo when
problems arise.

I will summarize the answers and post them if more are interested in this
topic.

Thank you.

Valentin M. Hossu
(708) 224-6207
att!nwsrs!valmh
From: penbepap@sumax.seattleu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 25th Aniv. Mustang
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:39:47 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Does anyone have info on when and how many 25th aniv. Mustangs were 
produced?

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: SHO Problems
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:03:52 GMT

tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:

> [Story about SHO tach fix-it deleted.]
>
>I might add that I greatly enjoyed calling my Ford dealer this morning
>and telling him I wouldn't be in for him to fix my tach.
>Of course I made the mistake of telling him how I fixed it -- at which
>point I received a lecture about that being too high a speed for the
>engine (I informed him that it was substantially below the redline).
>
>I managed to make the dealer aware of the Internet and of usenet as
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>well ...
 ^^^^^^^^

I, too, have done this before.

They often get the look of a deer in headlights.

It's wonderful.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am the engineer, I can choose K.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Department of Engineering Mechanics
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
From: garyg@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Gary Gitzen)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:24:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Mustang mailing list
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Bob Kehoe writes:

>Could someone please supply me with the
>details of the Mustang mailing list?

There are two lists.

The "mustangs" list deals with mustangs of ~1980 & later vintage. Subscription
requests go to <mustangs-request@cup.hp.com>.

The "classic-mustangs" list deals with the original Mustangs. Subscription
requests go to <classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com>.

If you have a Mustang II, you're out of luck.

Regards,
Gary
Moderator, Mustangs mailing list

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Doug Hellmann)
Subject: Re: Japanese cars never die!!!!
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:08:40 GMT

tobey@einstein.eds.com (Christopher Tobey) writes:

>Oh, besides the break pads, the only other complaint is that you
>almost have to pull the engine to change the starter motor.

>chris

Idrove one of my Chevettes around for a year with a bad starter because
it was so much trouble to replace.  Good thing it was a stickshift...

-Samantha
.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kokerj@jec309.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Subject: Re: BMW M3 Inquiry
Keywords: M3
Reply-To: kokerj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:28:09 GMT

In article <tah3kvk@rpi.edu>, dharma@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Andreas Budi Dharmawan) writes:
|> I'm thinking of getting an M3, not the new one though.
|> Personally, I don't like the new version of the three
|> series. The curves make the car looks like a Japanesse
|> one. Nothing wrong with the Japanesse styling, it is
|> just not the one that I prefer. 
|> 
|> I'm not fully familiar with the BMW product lines, so
|> my questions are:

A friend of mine just bought one. It was a racecar (that wasn't raced much).

|>         1. When was the last time the boxy M3 produced?

I`m not familiar with a boxy M3. All the ones that I've seen have the flared 
fenders.

|>         2. Is it difficult to find one? (I never see an
|>            ads in the newspaper for this particular car)

Check "Auto Hunter". It has a lot of cars forsale in the NE area.

|>         3. How much is the value of the car nowadays?

BMW's keep their value pretty well, so I would expect to pay ~20% more than a 
325is

|>         4. How is the performance of the car compared to
|>            RX-7?

The new (93) rx-7's are faster (crappy road feel). The older ones in a comparable
price range will probably be a bit slower. On paper they probably handle about
the same, but no japanese car drives like a German car. Not one.

|>         5. How is the maintance of the car?

'M' stands for money! :-) Depending on your price range, you might want to 
look for a Quattro. Not quite as fast, but a great driver.
 
|> Thanks in advance
|> 
|> dharma@rpi.edu
|> 
|> 

I see that you are at RPI. E-mail me sometime as I think that the M3 I mentioned
will soon be forsale...

-Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: New Monte Carlo  (was Re: 1994 Pontiac GTO)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:24:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.174705.8682@zds-oem.zds.com> easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>  If I remember the Autoweek article correctly, the Caprice (called
>the Impala SS) had a slightly different rear end, was jet black,
>and had most of the police package mechanical goodies.
>
According to the news release I received from Chevrolet (with
accompanying photos) the Caprice-based Impala SS (of which 2
were built) were primarily done for the SEMA show to "tweak the
interest of the automotive aftermarket" according to Chev GM
Jim Perkins.  But based on the positive reaction, they're
considering its potential in the marketplace.

The Impala SS is actually a Caprice LTZ underneath.  It's outfitted
with the 300hp LT1 Corvette engine and a 4-speed auto trans.  They
also created a new grille, deck lid spoiler and monochromatic paint
scheme, as well as some small inserts to change the appearance of
the rear quarter windows.  Wheels are 17" aluminum with P275 Goodyear
GS-C tires and the car was lowered 2 inches.  If a production model
came to be, the car would have to be brought up in height due to the
bumper laws.  Inside, they went to the parts bin and dug out some
bucket seat tracks available in the Caprice police package.  They used
2 production driver's seats with leather and a console was dropped in.
They replaced all the interior wood grain with satin black.

Based on the black and white photos, the exterior treatment really
cleans the car up.

bob

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: master/peon
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:42:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.141549.16369@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
> 
> 
> I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
> group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
> car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)

Pardon me, but my '73 Dart was one of the finest cars I ever owned.  Seated
8-10, and had a fuel line so enormous that I could blow a Porsche off of the line (for
the first 3 seconds, until they hit the peak of their acceleration curve).  And
my favourite feature: 3 ON THE TREE. Shifting was never so much fun!!
Also, a body that would have withstood the beaches of Normandy.

Jon JHU/APL
jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ribs.ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Best Family Car for ~$20K
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:03:08 GMT

In article <29901@ursa.bear.com> millman@hpcs5.bear.com (Phillip Millman) writes:
>	I'm looking to purchase a family car that will hold both a baby and
>a St. Bernard.  I've looked at the Ford Taurus, Grand Cherekee and the 
>Sable.  (the two Fords are the Wagon variety.)  

For that kind of money, take a look at a Ford Crown Victoria.  They list
for better than 20K, but you should have no problem getting it down to
your price range.  Lot of room.  Plenty of power.  Lots of room.  Mileage
is ok.  Lots of room.  Nice ride.  Good for towing.  Oh yea, lots of room.
It is also one of the safest cars on the road.

>	Based on the Nets infinite experience, what is (in your opinion) the
>best family car?

A Corvette.  You'll have to leave the family at home. Darn.  :)

> Should I look at mini-vans??

Only if you want to.  They work for a lot of families.

--
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Sera
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:50:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <C183w6.1tE@bilbo.suite.com> suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net writes:
>Has anyone heard of a small Corolla-like car named the Toyota Sera?
>It has two forward-hinged doors (not gull-wing), is a sporty-styled 
>passenger car priced at what looks to be around $15,000 or so.
>
>Apparently, it's being sold overseas, but not in the US. It would
>sell like hot cakes here in Southern California.
>
>Does anyone know anything more about the Sera?

--It was on the auto show circuit a couple of years ago.  I believe it
  is based on the Tercel platform.  The Sera is on sale in Japan only,
  I think, although I believe some specialty importers in the UK sell
  them there.

  Unfortunately, we get the Toyota Paseo.  Can you think of living with
  boredom on wheels?

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:23:19 GMT

In article <1jt9g9INNgg5@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>From article <1993Jan23.191153.6674@borland.com>, by dave@borland.com (Dave):
>
>> In article <1993Jan20.174211.14992@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>>>There are two schools of thought when it comes to fighting speeding tickets:
>>>1) pay it, it's not worth the time to fight.  Consider it random road-use-tax.
>
>Hmmm, that we share... The price of your ticket is the least of my
>worries as well... I worry about you causing some accident because you
>are of superior driving ability and know it. Some poor old man who
>(*OBVIOUSLY*) doesn't belong on the highway in the first place might
>be so taken aback by suddenly seeing you come up on him, he might
>swerve and hit someone else while you're long gone and don't know
>the difference... Or better yet, while you're doing 60+ in your favorite
>construction zone, you just happen to take out one of those careless
>workers who didn't belong there in the first place! (Damn! They should
>have KNOWN *YOU* were coming and got the hell out of the way!)
>

sorry mr. worrier...'speeding' does not cause accidents.  remember when 
the interstate limit was 55mph...if you drove 60mph you were bad, evil 
speeder...then...with the stroke of a pen...the limit was 65mph...then
if you go 60mph on the exact same road...you are the safe responsible 
citizen.  if you don't understand this, write me and i will make up a 
little story with cute elves and fuzzy-warm bunnies to make my point!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:52:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.204534.17151@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.192014.21045@iqsc.COM> ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) writes:
>>  I will give my opinion on one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen,
>>The New Pontiac Grand Am, it is just plain ugly.  The Ford Tempo is one
>>of the weakest in its class, and Nissan's are under - marketed.
>
>Some car magazine I checked during lunch actually discussed the ugliest
>car ever made, and I think the winner (by leaps & bounds) was a
>French car, I think a Renault 6. 
>
>Or, any Citroen (i.e. 2CV to CX)
>
>Spiros
>-- 
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
>Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
>GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

  You got me, I am in total agreement, The Grand Am is now Second! He He

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Isuzu Impulse RS
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:37:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.210212.6070@usl.edu>, rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody have any experience with an '91 Isuzu Impulse RS
|> (4wd, turbo, intercooled)?
|> 
|> I am thinking of buying one, and any help/advice would be
|> greatly appreciated.

Good car, lots of power and excellent handling.  I had mine for 16 months before
it was rear-ended on a highway.  In that time the only problem I had was an
ignition computer chip went and the car wouldn't start (about 2 weeks after I
got it).  The dealer towed it for free, provided a rent-a-car, and fixed it
for free.  Maintenance was low (oil every 8000kilometers for $25) and tune-up
at 48,000k for $195(Canadian).  The car easily handles 180kilometers/hour with
no vibrations.  As for the accident, the other car hit me going about 60k.  The
were towed away - I drove away (re: very survivable).  The only down side is
the engine is a little noisy, but Isuzu sells a under hood "muffler" if it's
too noisy for ya.  Oh ya, that huge dash is great - my girlfriend used to make
sandwiches on it on long trips (one over 8000k).  As well, there's a lot of
glass on that car so buy a big bottle of Windex.

I would highly recommend the car, and would have bought a new one after my
accident if Isuzu still made them.  Instead I bought an Eagle Talon (never keep
a car that's been rear-ended that hard!).

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Admiral Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
"Nindyn vel'uss kyorl nind ratha thalra elghinn dal lil alust."
(Those who watch their backs meet death from the font.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: civic above specs...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:30:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.173810.16575@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan26.4168.242@dosgate>, "mike pot" <mike.pot@canrem.com> writes:
>|> |> Maybe this is not above specs, maybe it is. I always drive the crap out
>|> |> of it revving the engine up to 7500 rpm, also the >7 secs is
>|> |> accomplished with a kind of speed shifting, what I do is I leave the
>|> |> accelerator padal to the floor all the way, and when it's time to shift,
>|> |> I press the kludge. while the kludge is just slightly down the engine
>|> |> revs up from >6500 to 7500 rpm, this while I shift to the next gear and
>|> |> I let go of kludge all at once. This gives a super boost.
>
>Uh, yeah.  What's a "kludge"?
>
>That car isn't going to last more than 10,000 km.
>

but he will repair it himself...and the repair will be a 'kludge'.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rob@sbil.co.uk (Robert J Greenwood)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Reply-To: rob@sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:19:56 GMT

In response to all the comments about upkeep costs of particular
brands/nationalities of cars - remember it's all relative.  Even the
worst quote may seems reasonable to some people.  My `89 911 (36K
miles) just came back from it's annual service (every 12K) and the bill
came to 1687 sterling! But lucky me! I get a 10% discount cos I'm a
member of Porsche Club GB.

Rob.

ps and don't even think of asking how much the oil change was.
---
-- 
Robert J Greenwood                             Salomon Brothers International Ltd
rob@sbil.co.uk                                 Business Technology Organisation

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:33:50 GMT

In article <1k1svlINNd4d@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>In article <C1FJxL.2rz@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>>Apparently the Ford Taurus had little influence on the shape of cars today.
>>In my opinion there is no car that has had a greater influence on the vast
>>improvements of aerodynamics than the Taurus.
>
>--Why doesn't anyone give credit to the '84 Audi 5000 S???  I thought this
>  was the car that started the wave of aerosedans!!!  The Taurus merely
>  copied the Audi's aerodynamic styling!

the audi 5000 introduced aerodynamics to sedans; the taurus brought
it to the masses.  i remember that once upon a time the taurus was
intended as a replacement for the LTD crown victoria (!).  ford took
a big gamble that the cutlass ciera crowd would warm to the futuristic
look of the taurus.  (the taurus was so futuristic-looking that they
used it as the police car in Robocop.)

and besides, i think there would be some justification for pointing
to the '83 thunderbirds with their then-radical jellybean styling.

-teddy