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From:         Raney Ellis <ELLISWR@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: kermit info...

Date sent:  24-JUL-1992 08:08:22

William Branan asks...

>Does anyone know of either a Macintosh application Kermit which works
>over ethernet, or a Macintosh application which works over ethernet
>which uses the protocol kermit?  I have a recent version of Kermit but
>can't get it to find the ethernet connection.

Get VersaTerm or VersaTerm Pro, from Synergy Software, 215-779-0522.  It
has Comm Toolbox tools for TCP, DECnet, SLIP, and other goodies.  Has
several kinds of file transfer tools, including Kermit.  Very nice.

Also, check out PathWORKS for Macintosh from DEC.  Has high-speed transfer
protocols available in it.

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From: branan@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU (William Branan)
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Subject: kermit info...
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:14:01 GMT
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I hope someone can help me with this one.  I'm relatively new to this
list, so if this topic has been addressed before, I'm sorry.

We're in the process of switching from asynch to ethernet connections to
our mainframes.  We've discovered that we are no longer able to download
from or upload to one of the mainframes.  We used to access the
mainframe via Microphone II, which supports the file transfer protocol
kermit.  (Kermit is the only transfer protocol this particular mainframe
supports).  We are currenly connecting to the mainframe via NSCA
Telnet/MAC TCP, but can't seem to solve the download/upload problem.
(Applications like Fetch, etc. won't work.)

Does anyone know of either a Macintosh application Kermit which works
over ethernet, or a Macintosh application which works over ethernet
which uses the protocol kermit?  I have a recent version of Kermit but
can't get it to find the ethernet connection.  Is there a way to do
this, and if so how (i.e. settings, etc)?  (The PCs in our office have
solved the problem by using Procomm Plus.)

By the way, I'm running on a IIsi with a NuBus Adapter Card/Apple
Ethernet NB Card combination.  The mainframe in question is a DEC, which
does not support most ftps.  Kermit is supposedly the only solution.  The
mainfame only has the application all-in-one, a DEC E-mail/word processing
application.  We cannot put execs such as WMAC on it.

I appreciate any help you can give.

Feel free to e-mail me privately, if this discussion will bore the list.

Thanks
Bill Branan

branan@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:27:37 BST
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From:         Tom Coppeto <tom@MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: E-MAIL POLICY
X-To:         campus-wideelectronicmailsystemsdiscussionlist@MIT.EDU,
              CW-EMAIL%TECMTYVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu
              22 Jul 92 15:10:45 -0400. <9207222345.AA05025@MIT.EDU>

At MIT, the things we try to prevent are messages that negatively
impact the mail system such as chain letters, huge files, or attempts
to mail everyone on campus, and harassing mail. The postmasters don't
usually deal with harassing mail directly but instead pass the
information off to those who deal with such cases in general, such as
the dean's office. Unless the mail fits into one of these two
categories, people are free to use it as they wish.

When disk was expensive, and machines were slow, we used to be able to
use the techincal argument that one simply cannot mail everyone on
campus. However, as our mailhubs and post offices are getting bigger
and faster, we can almost deal with a mass mailing today. However, we
still have a policy that this cannot be done. We also discourage the
creation of large mailing lists (ie: class of 1994), and stomp on
attempts to mail every list in sight (in a recent case we removed the
message from our mail queue during delivery and automatically deleted
all occurrences of the message from our post offices before most
people read it). Fortunately this doesn't happen often.

We are also thinking about the mass mailing issue as the system can
better deal with it today. The answer really is that the mail system
of today is not the solution for a conferencing or bboard system.
However since mail is the lowest common denominator of network access,
that is what people who feel they have something worthy to say will
choose.

We are making progress in offering other solutions. In the Athena
environment, we have a real time communication system (Zephyr) that is
designed to deliver messages to large numbers of recipients (within
seconds) based on a personal subscription list. We also have a central
motd system for urgent operational notifications which may be expanded
to offer some of the subscription functions available in zephyr. And
we've been working to expand our local conferencing system (discuss)
and zephyr to more platforms (macs & pc's) on campus so people have
access to technologies better suited for the task.

						- Tom
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From:         Simpson Joe <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: kermit info...

You should be able to ftp from your mainframe to your mac.  The NCSA Telnet
application has an ftp server.
1.  Logon to your mainframe.
2.  Issue the appropriate ftp command back to your mac.

Note:  There are much more effective ways to accomplish this depending upon
your mainframe.

VAX/VMS systems can publish your VAX disk space as an appleshare volume.
the ftp program FETCH  available from SUMEX.STANFORD.EDU  is very easy to use
and very powerfull.

_______________________________________________________________________________
I hope someone can help me with this one.  I'm relatively new to this
list, so if this topic has been addressed before, I'm sorry.

We're in the process of switching from asynch to ethernet connections to
our mainframes.  We've discovered that we are no longer able to download
from or upload to one of the mainframes.  We used to access the
mainframe via Microphone II, which supports the file transfer protocol
kermit.  (Kermit is the only transfer protocol this particular mainframe
supports).  We are currenly connecting to the mainframe via NSCA
Telnet/MAC TCP, but can't seem to solve the download/upload problem.
(Applications like Fetch, etc. won't work.)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:23:39 CDT
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From:         James Ford <JFORD@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHARON gateway & LPR/LPD

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:50:00 CDT Michael McGinnis said:
>We have had a CHARON mail gateway up and have been pleased.

Same here.

>We want to experiment with the line printer deamon stuff.  I'd
>like to hear from anyone who has set up the LPR and the LPD
>functions and hear how it went.

We are running both versions of Charon - v2.0(LPD/LPR) and v3.4(SMTP)
with no problem.  The LPD/LPR stuff was.....interesting to set up
but once set up it works great.  I can successfully print from an
IBM3090, AIX370, RS/6000, a Cray (ASNCRAY) to our novell queue(s).

>What sorts of things gave trouble?  What limitations did you
>find?

On our IBM3090, our support staff had to hack LPR to insert a BINARY mode.
This was so Sas graphics could be printed successfully.  The initial setup
on a couple of unix boxes was interesting, but nothing that couldn't be
solved by reading the manual.  :-)  Works great.

The new version of Charon (v3.5) is due out in a couple of weeks and will
include both SMTP and LPR/LPD.

>Michael McGinnis                Internet: mcginnis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>Computer Center                   Bitnet: mcginnis@ukanvax
>University of Kansas               Voice: (913)864-0413
>Lawrence, KS  66045                  FAX: (913)864-0485
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:45:19 EDT
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From:         "Peter W. Day" <OSPWD@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: E-MAIL POLICY
              22 Jul 1992 15:10:45 EDT from <lewis@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU>

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:45 EDT <lewis@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU> said:
>    I would like to know if anyone has a policy concerning what type of
>    information can be sent within the confines of your
>    business/university using e-mail.   We have been using e-mail for
>    almost two years but do not have a policy in affect.  With more and
>    more users being added we have begun to experience some problems with
>    personal messages (e.g.  wife having a baby, happy 40th, etc.) being
>    sent to everyone using e-mail.
>
>    We do not want to eliminate the ability of being able to send messages
>    to everyone because most of the messages are strictly business oriented
>    and informative.  It is also not our intentions of eliminating personal
>    messages between users.  ALL-IN-1 is our e-mail system.

Our interim policy, published in our newsletter, InfoTalk, dated Jan/Feb
1991 (pp 3-4) says in part: "If a recipient finds electronic mail
objectionable, he or she should contact the sender of the mail. For
example, if a mass mailing is a nuisance to the recipient, he or she
should ask to be removed from the mailing list. ... Use of electronic
mail or computing facilities to convey information that is perceived by
its recipient(s) as an obscenity, threat, or harassment is forbidden
under the Emory University Policy Statement on Discriminatory
Harassment."

In practice, our public list of all e-mail users is implemented using
LISTSERV. Those who do not want to receive general announcements from
other users are advised occasionally by a message to this list how they
can unsubscribe to the list. (We use a separate, non-public list to send
system-wide notices about changes in service, etc.) We also ask users of
the list to consider that when they send something to the list, they
keep in mind how many people will receive it (over 1000) and consider
whether such wide distribution is necessary. If people started sending
birth announcements over this list (they don't so far), and many people
objected (and I expect they would), then under our policy I would expect
those objecting to contact (by e-mail say) those sending such
announcements, asking them to not do so. Incidentally, we also have a
list for sending to all the 130 computing center staff. Birth
announcements appear on that list with no objection from anyone.

The article later goes on to say: [Clifford Stoll] observes that
networks are "fragile" and "can only exist when people trust each
other. ... [The network] could consume itself with mutual suspicion,
tangle itself up in locks, security checkpoints, and surveillance;
wither away by becoming so inaccessible and bureaucratic that nobody
would want it anymore." Stoll has clearly defined our challenge in
developing an "electronic community."
From: SKAPUR@SBCCMAIL.BITNET (Sanjay Kapur)
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Subject: Re: kermit info...
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:41:06 GMT
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>By the way, I'm running on a IIsi with a NuBus Adapter Card/Apple
>Ethernet NB Card combination.  The mainframe in question is a DEC, which
>does not support most ftps.  Kermit is supposedly the only solution.  The
>mainfame only has the application all-in-one, a DEC E-mail/word processing
>application.  We cannot put execs such as WMAC on it.
>
>I appreciate any help you can give.
>
>Feel free to e-mail me privately, if this discussion will bore the list.
>
>Thanks
>Bill Branan
>
>branan@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU

I hope you have a decent implementation of TCP/IP on the DEC machine
(i.e. Multinet, Wollongong, or CMU TCP/IP, although DEC's UCX should also
do this without problems)

Any decent TCP/IP implementation on the DEC machine will have the FTP program.
You should get NCSA telnet for your Mac or any commercial program that
supports telnet and an ftp server on the MAC.

You will have to write ftp scripts that look like the kermit scripts that you
have written for ALL-IN-1.

We have over 1500 ALL-IN-1 users out of which at least a hundred use a Mac
over Ethernet and have no problems in using several differnet program to
transfer text and binary ALL-IN-1 documents using FTP.

  Sanjay Kapur    (SK54)              |Internet:    Sanjay.Kapur@sunysb.edu
  Systems Staff, Computing Services,  |Bitnet:      SKAPUR@USB
  State University of New York,       |SPAN/HEPnet: 44132::SKAPUR
  Stony Brook, NY 11794-2400        |Phone:+1-516 632 8029, FAX:+1-516 632 8046
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:50:00 CDT
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From:         Michael McGinnis <MCGINNIS@UKANVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      CHARON gateway & LPR/LPD

We have had a CHARON mail gateway up and have been pleased.

We want to experiment with the line printer deamon stuff.  I'd
like to hear from anyone who has set up the LPR and the LPD
functions and hear how it went.

What sorts of things gave trouble?  What limitations did you
find?

Thanks.

Michael McGinnis                Internet: mcginnis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Computer Center                   Bitnet: mcginnis@ukanvax
University of Kansas               Voice: (913)864-0413
Lawrence, KS  66045                  FAX: (913)864-0485

Rust never sleeps.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:45 EDT
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From:         lewis@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU
Subject:      E-MAIL POLICY

    I would like to know if anyone has a policy concerning what type of
    information can be sent within the confines of your
    business/university using e-mail.   We have been using e-mail for
    almost two years but do not have a policy in affect.  With more and
    more users being added we have begun to experience some problems with
    personal messages (e.g.  wife having a baby, happy 40th, etc.) being
    sent to everyone using e-mail.

    We do not want to eliminate the ability of being able to send messages
    to everyone because most of the messages are strictly business oriented
    and informative.  It is also not our intentions of eliminating personal
    messages between users.  ALL-IN-1 is our e-mail system.

    Thank you.

    Jean Lewis
    Ohio University
    Athens, OH
    Internet:   LEWIS@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU
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From:         Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Email purchase decision

I am in a position to influence the purchase decision of an email
system.  We do not yet have a LAN up at the site in question and would
like to choose a LAN around our distributed processing/email/EIS needs.
What are the considerations when looking to install such systems?

Thnaks for the help.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:46:34 +0100
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From:         richi/pinewood_unix_hpopd@HPOPD.PWD.HP.COM
Subject:      Re: E-MAIL POLICY

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>     I would like to know if anyone has a policy concerning what type of
>     information can be sent within the confines of your
>     business/university using e-mail.

Our site-wide policy is simple:

1 - no messages for personal gain (i.e. "For Sale" notices).
2 - everything else that is non-business-related should have the subject
    prefaced by the phrase "Junk: ".

The presence of (1) reminds folks why the mail network is there.  (2) allows
flexibility for "busy" people to skip the junk mail without worrying that
they're missing anything!

Generally, however, we run fairly loose and free and non-authoritairian; we
find that peer pressure takes care of abusers of this policy quite effectively.


richi.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:40:57 EDT
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From:         "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support,
              x8425" <tillman@SWDEV.SI.COM>
Subject:      RE: E-MAIL POLICY
X-To:         LEWIS@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU
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Our policy is to make sure we inform each person who gets a computer account
that mail to everyone is to be avoided unless something is wrong with the
systems such that it would affect everyone.  What happens in practice is that if
people send mail to everyone, they usually get enough messages to the effect
that "I don't care about what you just said.  Keep it to yourself and take me
off your distribution list." that the sender quickly realizes that a behavior
change is in order.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |
 4141 Eastern Ave. MS129     | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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From: SCHMIDTC@SJSUVM1.BITNET (jim schmidt)
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              22 Jul 1992 15:10:45 EDT from <lewis@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU>

Li
Limiting the messages on your campus e-mail in the long term
will be about as easy and effective as stopping folks from
copying recipes on the office copier.  More possible are some
ground rules re solicitations, libel, obscenity but probably not
about "hate speech".
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        Due to a reorganisation of our LAN, nodes HLSDNL50, HLSDNL51
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The Node IRLEARN.UCD.IE will be unavailable on Thursday 5th August between
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Computer Operations,
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The node IRLEARN.UCD.IE will be unavailable on Wednesday, 5th August between
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Computer Operations,
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Node SED will be down from 9 p.m. 7/31/92 until 11 p.m. 8/2/92 for processor
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                  ERIE
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   Due to some hardware problems the spool area of node PTEARN has
been lost. Sorry for this inconvenience.

      Eugenia Graca
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