HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Contel flight planner
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:22:28 GMT

I know it hasn't been officially announced yet, but it IS now there...

              DUAT Main Menu

    Weather Briefing                 1
    Flight Plan                      2
    Encode                           3
    Decode                           4
    Modify User Profile              5
    Golden Eagle Services (tm)       6
    Quick Path Reference List        7
    Extended Decode                  8
    FAA/NWS Contractions             9

Select function (or 'Q' to quit): 2

             Flight Plan Menu

    File Flight Plan                 1
    Amend Flight Plan                2
    Cancel Flight Plan               3
    Flight Planner                   4   <<<
    Modify Flight Planner Profile    5
    Flight Planner Users Guide       6


Just thought you Contel users might want to know.  Don't all telnet
there at once!  :-)

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: franks@synoptics.com (Frank Stutzman)
Subject: Re: Unfamiliar phraseologies
Reply-To: franks@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:01:49 GMT

In article 4341@eecs.nwu.edu, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.001541.11782@btree.uucp>, jerrys@btree.uucp (Jerry Samsen) writes:
>|> Except that standard phrasiology for air carrier flights is "United four
>|> seventeen"
>
>I know almost nothing about commercial operations, but the only 
>exception to the single-digit-enumeration rule that I have come across
>is Victor airways.  That's the only one that I remember seeing
>listed.  For everything else that I've seen (i.e.: tail numbers, wind,
>etc.), standard phraseology is to enumerate every digit singly
>(four-one-seven).

I'm with Mr. LeFebvre on this one.  I do not remember any such special exception
for the air carrier flights being mentioned in the AIM.  Never mind that fact that 
it is commonly done; that doesn't make it a standard.  I have heard air carriers
read back a frequency of, say, 130.25 as "thirty and a quarter".  Just because the
big boys do it, doesn't make it right (don't mean to sound like my mother 8-).

I'm comming a bit late to this phraseology (whatta word) and, contrary to what I
implied above, I am not enamoured with using standard phrases.  I tend to read back 
an instruction like "sqwak VFR, frequency change approved" as "Sqwaking
one two zero zero, good day."  My rational being that I am showing the 
controler (and myself) that I not only heard it, but also understood it.  Whats the
net consensus?  Is this a sin?

##############################################################################
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Product Support              #     "As you fly through the skies of
Santa Clara, Ca              #      life, take a moment to buzz the roses..."
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From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Subject: Re: earhart
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.141801.27956@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman) writes:
>In article <92288.211009MKW106@psuvm.psu.edu> <MKW106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>any theories on what happened to amelia earhart back in 1937? new ones,
>>interesting ideas, etc.???
>
>
>From the books I've read, I'd say she was tired, and stupid enough to 
>hire a drunk for a navigator. 

Whoa!  There is absolutely nothing, but one of many "loose" theories, to
show that Noonan was drunk.  He was not only one of the finest navigators
in the business, but the instructor in celestial navigation for Pan American
Airways, as well as the navigator on the first China Clipper trans-Pacific
flight.  Did he drink?  Yes ... but that was part of the culture among
aviators in those days.  The vast majority of pilots were hard-drinking,
fast-living types -- and that was not synonymous with incompetent.  There
are accounts of Noonan getting soused at stops along the way, but not of
him getting into the plane under the influence.  That is pure conjecture --
proposed as a theory by one of the many "popular histories" about the loss
of Earhart.  

There have also been proposed theories that Noonan's drinking fomented
arguments between Earhart and himself, but it can just as easily (but no
more factually) be said that Earhart's lack of piloting skills were the
cause.  In spite of the myths that have since grown up about Earhart, she
was a better-than-average pilot, but hardly among the most expert. 

What *really* happened to them?  They got lost.  In spite of all the
sensationalism and "new discoveries," that is about all that is known.
Although the TIGR discoveries are encouraging, they are a long way
from being conclusive.  Equally encouraging "evidence" has been found
over the years -- only to prove false.

I personally think that she and Elvis are living in Equador.  ;-)







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From: wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp)
Subject: Re: Unfamiliar phraseologies
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
	<1992Oct2.151353.23907@nntpserver.chevron.com>
	<1992Oct2.155652.17994@eecs.nwu.edu> <1992Oct7.001541.11782@btree.uucp>
	<1992Oct7.143022.4341@eecs.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:43:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.143022.4341@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.001541.11782@btree.uucp>, jerrys@btree.uucp (Jerry Samsen) writes:
> |> In article <1992Oct2.155652.17994@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
> |> >Does anyone else out there, when checking with the airline on the status
> |> >of a commercial flight, say something like "what is the status of united
> |> >four-one-seven"?
> |> 
> |> Except that standard phrasiology for air carrier flights is "United four
> |> seventeen"

I know that there are differences in standard phraseology between
ICAO and the US, but what's the basis for saying four-seventeen ?
I have never been upfront United 417, but at least Lufthansa
calls themselves Lufthansa six-one-three (that's the one I was on
once), so why would it be six-one-three but not four-one-seven ?

> 
> Well, I haven't piloted very many air carrier flights.  :-)
> 
> I know almost nothing about commercial operations, but the only 
> exception to the single-digit-enumeration rule that I have come across
> is Victor airways.  That's the only one that I remember seeing
> listed.  For everything else that I've seen (i.e.: tail numbers, wind,
> etc.), standard phraseology is to enumerate every digit singly
> (four-one-seven).

There are at least two more: the traffic at your twelve-o-clock
position and the three-sixty that make make due to that traffic
(they both *are* standard phraseology).
-- 
Wolfgang Diestelkamp
wd@cs.tu-berlin.de
wolfgang@first.gmd.de
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:10:09 EDT
From: <MKW106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: earhart

any theories on what happened to amelia earhart back in 1937? new ones,
interesting ideas, etc.???
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From: gordonb@ssd.kodak.com (Gordon J. Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.military
Subject: Location of CWH
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:02:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct15.020209.24299
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Originator: gordonb@thepond

My wife and I will be passing by/through Hamilton, Ontario (Canada,
for the geographically impaired :-)) driving between Rochester NY and
Toronto this weekend, and we'd like to try and get to the Canadian
Warplane Heritage museum.  Would anyone who can supply directions please
post or email to bennett@sneaks.kodak.com?  Thanks in advance.

Gordon Bennett
-- 
A second Flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere,
Or a cataclysmic earthquake I'd accept with some despair.
But no, You sent us Congress!  Good God, Sir, was that fair? 
                                                - John Adams, _1776_
From: barney@sol.usc.edu (Barney Lum)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Logbook Legibility (!)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:19:23 -0700
Organization: USC University Computing Services, Los Angeles
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.usc.edu


kzk00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  200  Klaus Kraemer) writes:

> [...You can learn how to scribble in very small writing. Ask
> an instructor; these guys put up to four lines on one printed line. ..]

Indeed... I've gotten tired of trying to decypher the cryptograms that
some instructors write in my logbook these days!  I've told them to
use two or three lines as needed so that they can be read.  

Of course this would not be practical in the case of frequent flights 
(like training for a rating where entries would be nearly consecutive).  
However, in the case of say Flight Reviews or Checkouts, I think instructors 
(and pilots as well) realize they have the freedom to use as much space 
as needed.  It seems some have the "stay within the line" syndrome  :]

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.products
From: kevind@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin J. Dunphy)
Subject: Re: how exactly does GPS work?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:22:19 GMT

Check out the first few pages of FLYING magazine's
article on GPS -- pg. 20, Sept 1992.

kevind


Kevin J. Dunphy
kevind@catt.ncsu.edu
From: ms@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Stolz)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:31:47 GMT
Subject: Aircraft data request
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc

   
   I'm looking for a reference on light aircraft vital statistics; such
as empty wt, max gross wt, rate of climb, wing span, length, etc.  What
is a good reference for this type of info for 1976 to present single 
engine aircraft?
From: dls@genrad.com (Diana L. Syriac)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: NH Aviation Connoisseurs, Beware
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:33:22 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.

Who out there LOVES to fly to an airport to go eat?  I do, for sure, and I
can probably tell you some of the great restaurants in the New England
area.  In fact, a friend of mine had a birthday yesterday, so I decided that
we'd take him to this GREAT restaurant in Laconia, NH, called Patrick's Pub.
The restaurant even picks you up in a BIG white limousine, with champagne
in the back seats, if you wish.

Well, let's just say we got caught unawares.  Patrick's Pub has just 
recently changed its working hours.  It is now only open Thursday thru
Sunday, NOT Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.  Actually it was open yesterday,
but only because yesterday was a holiday.  However, it didn't "pick up",
since the limousine was not available, so we ended up taking a taxi.  And
the menu was smaller yesterday than what I remember from past trips to
Patrick's Pub.  

Oh, well, the flying was great (my friend got to fly both legs).


Diana


->Diana L. Syriac (Carlson) dls@genrad.com	Ham: KC1SP (Sweet Pea)      <-
->I'D RATHER BE FLYING!	P-ASEL, INST		CAP: CPT, Freedom 690 Mobile<-
->AD ASTRA, PER ASPERA				Airplane: C-172 N6513E	    <-
->GenRad, MS/6, 300 Baker Ave, Concord, Mass.  01742  (508)369-4400 x2459   <-
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:05:08 GMT
Subject: Ultralight Available NOW
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc

	
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	-Mike-
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Unfamiliar phraseologies
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:30:22 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

In article <1992Oct7.001541.11782@btree.uucp>, jerrys@btree.uucp (Jerry Samsen) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.155652.17994@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
|> >Does anyone else out there, when checking with the airline on the status
|> >of a commercial flight, say something like "what is the status of united
|> >four-one-seven"?
|> 
|> Except that standard phrasiology for air carrier flights is "United four
|> seventeen"

Well, I haven't piloted very many air carrier flights.  :-)

I know almost nothing about commercial operations, but the only 
exception to the single-digit-enumeration rule that I have come across
is Victor airways.  That's the only one that I remember seeing
listed.  For everything else that I've seen (i.e.: tail numbers, wind,
etc.), standard phraseology is to enumerate every digit singly
(four-one-seven).

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
From: ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: earhart
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


No arguement here about Amelia being not-so-hot in the cockpit -
I've read some nasty stories written by people (men and women) who
flew with her - almost uniformly they claim that her greatest skill was
having Putnam as a husband - he gave her lots of publicity and 
did his best to squash the careers of other competing female pilots.

As for wether this is true, like the Noonan story, I will never know.
I wasn't there, and people can and do print what they want. 
					Blue skies! Sharon
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Aerobatic Club
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:09:40 GMT

I would greatly appreciate if some kind soul can send me the Tel.# or
From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: aviation GIF files
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:00:30 GMT


Any one out there come across any aviation GIF files?
We use quite a bit of Xterminal, windows applications
out here. Would be nice to background the terminal.
You XDM and Openlook users know what I mean.....!



---
Jim Beutel	

Motorola SPS ASIC            beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
1300 N. Alma School Rd       Computer Operations 
M/S CH290  AZ50              office:  (602) 821-4967
Chandler, Arizona 85224	     telefax: (602) 821-4963


Xref: sparky rec.aviation:16709 rec.aviation.military:144
From: cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Focused on Infinity)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Live TV coverage of the Moffett Airshow
Summary: KTVU
Keywords: tv
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:53:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct16.171726.10421@telebit.com> brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman) writes:
>For those of you in the Bay Area who can't make it down to Moffett this
>weekend: I think that Channel 2 (maybe it was Ch 44 or Ch 36, but I'm pretty
>sure it was Ch 2) is planning live coverage of the full airshow on Saturday.
>Check the TV listings for more details.

It's Channel 2 all right. "The Last Moffett Airshow" is what their ads are
saying. Not that I care because i'm going to be there. :)

-- 
..___... ...___... ...___... ...___... ...___... ...___... ...___... ...___...
Marc Reeve
cmraman@ucscb.ucsc.edu	cmraman@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us
"Dragon with matches loose on the town
Takes a whole pail of water just to cool him down."

Naturally my opinions are unheard by UCSC, as it is a bureaucratic monolith.
From: lmiller@aero.org (Lawrence H. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: GTE CONTEL DUAT new features
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:56:02 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anpiel.aero.org

In article <1af55mINN3ov@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:
>It's a good thing CONTEL DUAT is available on the INTERNET, because
>I'd never use it otherwise.  Certainly not with the stupid Golden Eagle
>diskette, I got.  It is the most attrocious communications program
>I've seen in a long time...

	Ah come on.  These guys have done a good job, the price
	is right, and it's certainly much better than what Jepp
	was trying a year or so ago.  Or try the terminal emulator
	that comes with Microsoft Windows and it's very poor
	Kermit implementation.

	Anyhow, specific constructive suggestions would seem
	the most appropriate way to get what you want from 
	these guys.

-- 
Larry Miller		The Aerospace Corporation
lmiller@aero.org	PO Box 92957		
310-336-5597		LA, CA 90009-2957
From: nancyr@aviatrix.EBay.Sun.COM (Nancy Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Moffett and Highway 101
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:03:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: nancyr@aviatrix.EBay.Sun.COM (Nancy Ramirez)
NNTP-Posting-Host: aviatrix.ebay.sun.com



                 MOFFETT AIR SHOW & HIGHWAY 101


       Due to the Moffett Air Show, Highway 101 will be shutdown
       while the Blue Angels practice/perform.

       If you get stuck on the highway, you'll end up with your
       engine off for about 45 minutes while the 'Blues' roll
       and loop overhead.  

       101 will be closed as follows:


           Wednesday 10/14   1:00PM to 1:30PM
                             2:15PM to 2:40PM
           Thursday  10/15   1:30PM to 1:55PM
           Friday    10/16   1:30PM to 1:55PM
           Saturday  10/17   3:00PM to 3:25PM
           Sunday    10/18   3:00PM to 3:25PM

       Gates are open to the public from 9:00AM to 5:00PM on
       Saturday and Sunday.

       This notice distributed by Lt. J. M. Hopper, coordinator
       of Hangar 1 (the BIG hangar) activities.

       Nancy Ramirez



       10/15/92

Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: davea@col.hp.com (Dave Allen)
Subject: Re: Rescue Questions
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:56:02 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I'll second the advice to call Civil Air Patrol, or a Flight Service Station
(1-800-WX-BRIEF). They can see if a plane is overdue (on a flight plan) and
give you information to help you search, or add your information to their
search, which might be already on.

Also, small aircraft (with some exceptions) are required to have an Emergency
Locator Transmitter which is activated by sudden g-forces, eg a crash or real
bad landing. They operate on 121.5MHz and the CAP is good at homing in on
them.

For a pilot to transmit a distress call on CB, and not on acft radios (other
facilities hadn't heard from him), is very unlikely. That he sounded "very
afraid" is also unlikely. Pilots tend to be too busy and don't get around to
being afraid until afterwards. One would also expect more precise location
info from a real distress call. But you don't know for sure, do you? Best to
alert the search experts.

dave allen - Fly because you love it.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: phil@onetouch.COM (Philip D. Turner)
Subject: Re: Crew coordination
Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 12:38:38 GMT

davehyde@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL writes:

>OK, one more try....

>My wife is starting to talk about flying with me much more frequently.  Anyone
>out there got any thoughts on crew coordination?  I.e, what type of things do
>y'all get your passengers (experienced or otherwise) to do for you to reduce
>your workload?


I do quite a bit of flying with my wife (non-pilot) in the right seat, and
there are many things she does to reduce my workload.

1)	Be a good passenger.  If I'm being rocked around in the soup on
	the East Coast with a thousand people chattering on the radio, it
	helps that she doesn't panic and add to my workload.

2)	Work the radios and the Loran.  I've taught her how to read my
	flight plan an Jeppesen charts, so she can setup my next waypoint
	into the VOR receivers and the Loran.  She can also help me
	pull approach plates and en-route charts out for me.

3)	Gear down check.  I tell her if she does one and only one thing
	for me during the trip, it is verify three little green lights on
	final.


-- 
Phil Turner					phil@onetouch.COM
Columbus, OH	 				...!uunet!onetouch!phil
There's more than one way to skin a cat:
	Way number 27 -- Use an electric sander.
-- 
Phil Turner					phil@onetouch.COM
Columbus, OH	 				...!uunet!onetouch!phil
There's more than one way to skin a cat:
	Way number 27 -- Use an electric sander.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rivan@bnr.ca (Robert Ivan)
Subject: Can a 747 fly for 24hrs ?
Reply-To: rivan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:02:14 GMT

 I am just wondering if there is a speed at which a 747 could fly
for 24 hrs.  Range isn't so much important as time aloft.  Also
any bets on how much it would cost to charter of of these
babys for a day.  Im no miliionaire so the cost is moot
but what the hell I can dream.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Endurance records (Re: Can a 747 fly for 24hrs ?)
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:44:45 GMT

In article <Bw5Az1.LHF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear) writes:
>>I thought this record wasn't held by the 747-400, but rather by the 747-SP.
>>The reason that I believ this is that SAA only took delivery of their first
>>two -400's a couple of months ago (they ordered four), while this record
>>has been around for much longer than that.
>
>	I remember reading in The Guiness Book of Records that it was a 747SP,

I thought the MD-11 set it soon after the 747-400 attempt, very quietly.
'Course, then we're getting into "payload" figures (all-fuel, no pax or 
cargo, etc) and what it all means.





---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd

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