HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:05:24 GMT

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>If the AA chipset is expensive, C= will be trying to reduce prices of
>other components. 

Frankly from what I have read, I don't see how the AA chipset can be
particularly expensive at all.  From most `information' posted, it
would seem that it consists of two new chips.  And from the sounds of
the performance - most likely 1.6 micron cmos, would be used.  Also it
doesnt sound like much development would have been required for the chips -
except obviously a fair amount of work to retain the ECS register mode.  Now
if we were talking about the AAA chipset... things would be a little different.
[I just hope to god, real support for upgrading from AA -> AAA is provided.]


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 01 Sep 92 17:37:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <jbickers.0ebi@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <joe.715241690@milton> by amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend):

>> at 800x600 (all with built-in windows acelleration for >$200)... the future
>>  promises a 1280x1024 card that does 256 colors at that res, 1024x768 with 16
>>  million colors - at a "reasonable price". 
>
>    The _present_ offers that for the Amiga.

Oh really? What Amiga card can I seamlessly run all my amiga apps on at
1280x1024? What card is useable for all my apps? Oh..there isn't one?

>    And come up with bogus rubbish. MODs, the highest form of micro
>    music I've ever come across, play perfectly well on the Amiga with
>    minimal system impact while playing.

True, the Amiga can play cheesy Euro-Synth music while doing other things.
But I can add a 16 bit audio card to my Windows machine and fully utilize in
all apps that use sound on my machine.

>    Geez, what a pack of blatant lies.

Geez, looks like he close to home, eh? Just give up trying to defend
crusty 1985 technology. Hopefully at the WOC they will introduce the
A4000 and Amiga owners will not have to make silly claims to perpetuate
the myth that the Amiga is still on the cutting edge of technology.

BTW, I own an A3000/25 and a grip on reality.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.033904.29570@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au
(Colin Adams) writes:
>> o the 2.1 release will be promoted as an Enhancer Kit, as it is primarily
>>   Workbench-related and can utilize the existing 2.0 ROM, without need for
>>   the 3.0 Kickstart. New machines will require 3.0 for additional hardware
>>   support.

>The only problem with this is that existing owners who only get to
>buy 2.1 don't get the non-AA specific improvements present in the new 
>ROM.

True enough, although based on what I've seen, the 3.0 ROM improvements
will be less pronounced when compared to the additions in 2.1. While the
release of two OS revisions may create some initial confusion from a consumer
standpoint, I find it reassuring that some enhancements will become more
of an LCD. It will also mean that for all intents and purposes, 1.3 will
be two levels removed from the status quo.

Mark

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From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:33:41 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <64989@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>However, 50+ MB of "faces"-format pictures on ftp.uu.net doesn't indicate to
>me ``an obscure file format''; the "faces" format was specifically designed
>for purposes such as Skip's original proposal made to this newsgroup, and has
>been around since 1988 or so.
>
>As for "efficiency", perhaps you missed my first post in this regards.  An
>Amiga viewer has been available for 3 years.
>
>If you haven't heard of it ("faces"), then it's your loss for not keeping
>abreast of what's happening in the computer industry as a whole.

I don't give a damn about how much space ftp.uu.net allocates to faces
pictures.  Let me ask you this: Does ADPro, Imagemaster, or any other
Amiga products that would allow me to convert between faces and other
formats exsist?  Is it 24-bit?  How much bandwith/space will you save the
net by implimenting the faces format?  Will it be beneficial to other
users besides of course you?  How come most BBSs use JPEG as their
universal picture format?

The fact of the matter is that JPEG is a more practical format because
it's supported by more software and is being used widely on every platform.

Please, let's not start a war over such a trivial matter.

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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:39:05 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep1.182122.9807@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <BttoAt.6Cy@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:

>>A2000/2500 "compatibility" should not be read as "the card is strictly
>>Zorro II---it does not take advantage of Zorro III features".  It is
>>possible, as I'm sure Dave will explain better than I, to build a card
>>that will operate in Zorro II mode in an A2000/2500 and as a Zorro III
>>card in the A3000 and higher.

That is quite possible.  It requires more logic, since some things will have
to be routed differently on a Zorro III card vs. a Zorro II card.  Much of
the problem depends on the nature of the card.  For a basic programmed I/O 
device, the differences can be made pretty simple.  For a memory card, you
must have some 32->16 bit funneling in Zorro II mode, and of course some way
to resove the lack of 32-bit addressing in Zorro II mode.  For a DMA device,
you'd have two nearly independent DMA devices, one for each protocol.  There
is a signal on the backplane to allow a card to easily tell if it's in a 
Zorro II or Zorro III backplane.

>Even if this was remotely possible, it certainly wouldn't be feasible.

No, actually, its quite feasible.  Its practicality depends on the problem the
card is trying to solve.  Some problems can't be solved at Zorro II speeds,
so there would be no point in building in Zorro II compatibility.

>In order to take advantage of the Zorro III architecture, you would likely
>have to develop a "double-edged" card, much like the ATI ISA/MCA graphics
>boards. 

That's silly, both Zorro II and Zorro III use the same 100 pin edge connector.
Depending on the job, you may (as I mentioned for bus masters) have the
something close to the electrical equivalent of a double-edged card.  In the
simplest case, you just have route a few address lines differently and bridge
the data bus depending on the operating mode.

>In the end, A2000/2500 compatibility can be read as: don't expect any added
>capability if you have an A3000.

That's hardly a proper conclusion.  That's what you would expect if the card
is Zorro II only, but if a card does both, you would expect better performance
in the A3000.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:35:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.173716.2083@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

>
>Oh really? What Amiga card can I seamlessly run all my amiga apps on at
>1280x1024? What card is useable for all my apps? Oh..there isn't one?

What about GVP's EGS chip set?

You'll have to clarify SEAMLESSLY and ALL a bit better.  We're having some 
games not working properly on my friend's 386dx with a non ET-4000 SVGA card.

The EGS won't work very well with programs that use their own_blitter() 
functions.  (And own custom screens).  Anything that will run on the 
workbench screen should work fine on it.  Better get a big monitor as 2000*
1000 (500 columns across!) is going to be mighty small and difficult to 
read!



>True, the Amiga can play cheesy Euro-Synth music while doing other things.
>But I can add a 16 bit audio card to my Windows machine and fully utilize in
>all apps that use sound on my machine.

Cheezy?
Last time I looked Windows won't run music in the background and let my type 
up my assignments as well...
Reconfiguring all your games isn't much fun.  I heard that there is Ad-lib 
and a multitude of different sound cards out as well.

>Geez, looks like he close to home, eh? Just give up trying to defend
>crusty 1985 technology. Hopefully at the WOC they will introduce the
>A4000 and Amiga owners will not have to make silly claims to perpetuate
>the myth that the Amiga is still on the cutting edge of technology.

It's not the cutting edge anymore.  You can spend $$$ and make it better.
EGS, Rembrandt and Sunrize 16bit sound card spring to mind. 

Can the ibm play 24bit games?  Have a look at Karate on Opalvision.
It's an Australian invention too!


Jim


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From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Keywords: Falcon030
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:25:59 GMT


   Well, I wondered how long it'd take for these fucking atari assholes
to post an ad, well here it is, thanx a lot for our lost time reading these
reams of shit, lies and half truths. Thanx a lot.

   And in no place does it say that Amiga had all of that since '85.

   I hope you rot in hell.

-RangerElf

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: khuynh@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Help:  Disable Xetec SCSI controller/HD on A500
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:27:55 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hello everyone...

	Has anyone sucessfully disabled the Xetec controller/Harddrive
on an A500 ?  Sometimes, I use my machine for just games which are not
harddrive compatible and since this controller does not have a game
switch, I would like to know if there is a way to disable the darn
thing without unplugging it.  Besides, I play for hours on certain games
like Pinball Dreams which does not support FastRAM or Harddrive.  There's
no need to have the RAM and drive running for many hours (it's just a
waste of resources ... Wasting electricity, heating  up the room, 
decrease the life of the equipment, etc.)
	If someone has a hack on how to do such a thing, I would love
to know how it can be done.  I can deal with some soldering and minor
fixup.

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From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: latest HAMLAB demo ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:59:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20096
Followup-To: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Where and What is the latest release of HAMLAB demo?

Please e-mail

Thanx
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From: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org (Ottmar Roehrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:  ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:24:47 GMT
Organization: Atelier Roehrig

In article <64413@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:

>Ottmar Roehrig,
>
>Imagemaster has support for the EPSON ES-300C via Metadigm's _excellent_
>driver, available through them.
>

I fear that the german distributor for IM, RenderLand, is not aware of
that. Nobody in Germany knows about that.

>However, we do not (this week) have a TIFF reader, so if this project
>is immanent, AdPro is going to be required (I'm not sure, but the TIFF
>loader for AdPro may be included, or in the Pro conversion pak... ask
>Perry).

That's true. You'll have to afford the additional costs for the
Conversion-Pack.

>
>We will have a TIFF reader in about 2 weeks; so if it's not an immanent
>project, we can handle it ok as of that time.
>

Could you please make the Targa-reader working first?? Several
bug-reports through RenderLand were commented with a sentence like "We
told them but that's not a priority at the moment".

I am of the opinion that a company should first make the avaiable
modules work and after that go on with developing new options.

Ottmar
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Hamburg, Germany

"There's method in his madness" (Shakespeare, Hamlet II.)
From: billc@cryo.RAIN.COM (William J. Coldwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Conversion of Atari 3D2 Object files
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:20:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.billc.09x7
Reply-To: billc@cryo.rain.com
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
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X-SIGNATUREMONGER: Nice (V1.1)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Sep1.054203.4386@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
> In article <bobl.7eh9@bobsbox.rent.com> bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin) writes:
> >Does anyone have a converter for the above type of object files?  I have

> Since CAD 3D 2.0 for the Atari is an Antic program, one of the Antic Amiga

I believe that 3-D Pro still reads in a CAD 3-D object just fine.  I even think
that it may do CAD 3-D 2.0, but I haven't messed with any Atari objects for
a really long time to make sure if the code still works.

> Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mark@westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson)
Subject: Re: Convert ppm (or other) to 24 bit iff?
Organization: Radiant Image Productions, Merrimack NH.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.194505.13736@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Frank.Neumann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Neumann) writes:
>I had the same problem (although in the other direction, iff24 ->ppm),
>Seems like there is still a demand
>for such programs, best would be WITH source for Un*x systems. :-)

The current version of PBMPLUS *does* do iff24->ppm, I know because I made
the mods and submitted it. It is available as source for unix machines.
At the time I had no need for ppm->iff24 so I never did the mods for the
opposite direction. I would consider it useful now but I no longer have the
time to do it.
PBMPLUS sources should be available for ftp at:
ftp.ee.lbl.gov:pbmplus*.tar.Z
wuarchive.wustl.edu:graphics/graphics/packages/pbmplus/pbmplus*.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/pbmplus*.tar.Z
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:04:23 EDT
From: <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: MPEG viewer for Amiga yet?

It would be a nice addition to Amiga Vision or CDTV.  But doesn't it need to
be done in hardware to get reasonable playback speeds?

Jason K.
From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: latest HAMLAB demo ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:25:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <20096@plains.NoDak.edu> kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger) writes:
>Where and What is the latest release of HAMLAB demo?
>Please e-mail
>Thanx
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Well, here's the *official* word.  Thanks for the replies.

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From: Ed Hanway <jeh@raster.kodak.com>
To: Donovan Kruger <kruger@plains.NoDak.edu>

The latest version is 2.0.8.  I uploaded it to amiga.physik.unizh.ch a while
back, so it should be there, but I just checked and it seemed to be missing.

However, I just uploaded it to wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4] as
/systems/amiga/incoming/gfx/hamlab208d.lha.
 
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:23:25 GMT
Subject: Computer/Film Animation System for sale.....
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics



	Hi all.....
	
	Super-8 film Animation system for sale.  The Chinon camera is
	the top-of-the-line in Super8.  I have used this system for both
	"traditoinal" cell animation and for computer animation since the
	camera can be electrically triggered to capture a frame.

	The equipment:

	Camera - Chinon 200/12 XL Sound camera
		 Top of the line in Super-8 cameras.
		 Accepts 50 and 200' film cartridges.
		 12X Zoom, maunal or motorized (2-speed)
		 Macro lens setting.
		 Fades, crossfades and dissolves of picture and sound.
		 Short boom microphone.
		 Film speeds 18,24,25, and 30 fps.
		 Instant slow-motion function (30 fps)
		 Full auto -or- manual exposure controls.
		 Full auto or manual audio controls.
		 Single-frame setting (for animation)
		 Time-lapse settings (between 1 and 60 seconds)
		 Camera has external trigger jack (electrical contact)


	Goko motorized film editor/viewer -

		 For clear desktop viewing of Super8 film, used in
		 edit process.
		 Unit is motorized with adjustable speed.

	Motorized Beveled Splicer - (German)

		 Mortorized diamond-dust wheels grind precision bevel into
		 film for superior cement splicing.  		 
		
	Matte-box - (German)
	
		 This handy matte box attaches nicely to the front
		 of the Chinon, and includes matte cards for mountains,
		 binoculars, keyhole, etc...  Fully adjustable with
		 included bellows.
	
	EWA Back-winder

		 This device allows the backwinding of Super8 film
		 cartridges for purposes of multiple element shots or
		 double exposure "ghost" effects.

	All equipment is my own, and has received the very best care
	(especially considering I invested over $2K in it).  The camera
	has been kept in a padded aluminum case (the case is not for
	sale, sorry...).  All items are in new/perfect condition.

	The reason why I've decided to part with it is because I came up
	with the $$$ to go into full video animation, so I simply don't
	animate to film anymore...

	I hope this answers most questions about the equipment.

	-Mike-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Toaster article
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:39:42 GMT

A magazine can't get any better when it has a cover story on TWIN PEAKS and a
big article of the Video Toaster in the same issue (at least for me).

AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER has an excellent article on the Toaster as a
post-production tool for film and video.  They look at BABYLON 5 and talk with
Ron Thornton about the different techniques used.

If it was just another computer magazine, this would be no big deal, but this
is AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER!!  A magazine that is highly respected in the
film/video-making industry.  This magazine does not deal with kiddie/desktop
video stuff.

Anyways, check out a copy of this issue, it is very informative.
From: pianoman@misseye.uucp (Alan D. Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:   ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:12:50 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <64981@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
>Ottmar Roehrig,
>
>The Targa reader works perfectly, as far as we are aware; all of the
>concerns that the German distributor made know to us about the Targa
>reader were dealt with within a few days of our receiving the info.
>
>If there are remaining problems, I am _totally_ unaware of them. I've
>been using the Targa module myself and have had no problems at all;
>I'd be surprised if there were any at this point.
>
>Regarding MetaScan, it's pretty new - that's why they don't know about
>it.
>
>Note that Imagemaster is being developed on multiple fronts at once.
>There are more than one person making modules, and so on - the entire
>project is distributed over several programmers at this time, so the
>fact that we release new features in no way implies that we're not
>working to fix anything that might be a problem.
>
>I appreciate your input on the subject; thanks.
>
>Ben

Ben,
 What version are you up to now? What are the upgrade fees from
V9.10 (which I have).
				Thanks.

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