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From: milton@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (milton)
Subject: Re: Muppet Music
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:59:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.153740.9494@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>They may have yet to find a suitable replacement.  Ditto for Statler
>and Waldorf, one of whom was Henson, the other of whom was (Jerry?) Hunt,
>who is not listed on the Muppet Christmas Carol credits.
>
I have met Dr. Teeth's replacement.  He already recorded some
music as Dr.Teeth for the "Muppets on Location" show at the Disney/MGM
studios and I think that his voice was used for the new movie.

Richard Hunt was the muppeteer that passed away, and I wish eternal health
to Jerry Nelson.   Statler and Waldorf have a song in "Muppet Christmas
Carol" as Marley and Marley.  I don't now who is performing them for sure,
but I think one of them might be Jerry Nelson.

Milton


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From: snaakah@terapin.com (Joy Tilton)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Swedish Chef
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:44:55 PST
Organization: BBS

Only part I know is, "smorgishbord bord bord bord."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: scooter@eurasia.earth.nwu.edu (Scott Relyea)
Subject: Re: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: Geological Sciences Department, Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:55:57 GMT

So, when is the film supposed to be released?????

Also, saw the special on Nickelodeon last night, are any
more supposed to be shown??


Scoot


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From: ndw@cs.nott.ac.uk (Neil D Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Muppet Gifs
Keywords: Pretty pictures
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:55:52 GMT
Reply-To: ndw@cs.nott.ac.uk ()
Distribution: alt
Organization: Nottingham University


A year or two ago somebody posted a large (about 1024pixels square) GIF
image of Jim Henson surrounded by a dozen or so muppets, ( I remember Bert
and Ernie, Grover and of course Kermie). Unfortunately I deleted my copy 8'-(

Does anyone still have a copy of it? If so could you please post/mail it 
or maybe tell me where I can get hold of it via anonymous ftp.

Also news/postings of any other Gif/Jpeg images of the muppets et al. would be 
greatly appreciated

Many thanks
-- 
Neil Wilson        |  someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection
ndw@cs.nott.ac.uk  |  the lovers, the dreamers, and me ....
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From: nicholas@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Ronnie Simonds)
Subject: Da 'd'  ditty (second verse)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:45:57 GMT


Daddy dear, oh Daddy sweet
Do dandelions roar? Do daisies have feet?
Can I have a drink of water and a dish of tadpoles?
Daddy how deep is a doughnut's hole?

D, d, d, d....

(begin Dad's much jazzier background music)

If dandleions roar then your Daddy is deaf
The daisies drank the water so the tadpoles left
Your eyes are droopy darling daughter and you're dizzy in the head
Here's your glass of water, now it's time to go to bed
Lit-tle Dol-ly go to bed.

Anyone wanna crack at the first verse?
From: basil@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian J. Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: RE: More d song lyrics
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:52:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

More "D" song lyrics...

 
can I have a drink of water, with the little tadpoles
Daddy, how deep is a donut hole...

gophers dig holes, to hide their candybars...
dragons breathe fire, but they don't smoke cigars...

do dandylion's roar, do daisies have feet?

your eyes are getting tired (something)
little dolly go to bed...
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From: milton@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (milton)
Subject: Re: The NEW Kermit????
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:33:16 GMT

>> |_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\________________ - A. Dent________|
>
>
>I don't have the CD, but I did see the "Coming Attractions" for Muppet Christmas Carol last night as a lead-in to Aladdin.  They showed Kermit, who by the way is playing Bob Cratchitt in the movie, and the first thing I noticed was that it wasn't the Kermit I'd come to love.  
Ah...come on!  Steve is doing a great job with Kermit, don't expect his
performace to be identical to Henson's.  If you really love Kermit, you'll
get used to it.

Milton


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********************************************************************************Milton E. Rodriguez
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From: rg3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Reuven William Goren)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Muppet Christmas Carol
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:42:28 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I saw a preview for the movie yesterday, and it looks great!!!  Statler
and Waldorf play the accountants in chains.   Michael Caine is Scrooge. 
All I can say is that I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing it when it's
released.

Reuven
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(scene - Luke Skywalker has sucessfully blown up the Death Star, Darth
Vader has been hurled across the galaxy.   Luke's X-Wing fighter lands
back on base.  Luke and R2D2 are getting out of fighter)

Princess Leia (played by Carrie Fisher) : {in the distance}  Luke?   Luke?

Luke Skywalker:  Carrie!!!!!!!!    {supposed to yell Leia}

------------------------------------------------

(scene - 007 tied to a table with a laser pointed at his groin.)

James Bond:  Do you expect me to talk!?!

Goldfinger:  Why, no!  On the contrary Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!

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Animal:  EAT DRUMS!!!!  EAT DRUMS!!!!

Dr. Teeth:  No, no Animal.  That's beat drums.  Beat drums.

Animal:  UH?  AAHHH!!  BEAT DRUMS!!!! BEAT DRUMS!! HA!!HA!!
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Subject: Re: Muppet TV alert!!
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:48:28 EDT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <1du1kgINN2dn@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU>, loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
> According to the new TV guide, Nickelodeon is going to show one
> of the muppet specials this Sunday night -- the one where they do
> the parodies of the classic movies.  Yippee!  
> 
> -Sandra

They'll be on Sunday for the rest of the month!

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From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Remember Emmet Otter?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:37:31 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: comp
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  Does anyone out there have a copy of _Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas_
on tape -- and would be willing to send me a copy? I have been trying to
watch it for YEARS, but I don't have HBO, and that is the only place I
have seen it advertised...

--Paul
From: fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: The D song
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:09:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov15.002512.26483@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pwhitman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip N Whitman) writes:
>In article <srh3.721626060@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Holli
>s) writes:
>>    I would like the lyrics to the D song.  Some of what I remember is
>>a daughter and a father talking:
>>
>>Daddy dear oh daddy dear do.....do ducks have ears??
>>
>The only verse I can recall is "Dogs do have dreams, and their dreams are
>delicious.  Ducks do have ears, but they don't do the dishes."
>
>-Neal
"Daddy dear, oh daddy dear
Do dogs dream dreams? Do ducks have ears?
Do ..., Why do gophers dig holes?
(something about gophers in their dirty clothes.)

Dogs dream of meat and their dreams are delicious,
Ducks do have ears but they don't do the dishes,
...
Gophers dig holes to hide their candy bars."

that's about it for my memory....

Sharon.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: pwhitman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip N Whitman)
Subject: Re: Sweetums and Robin
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:03:34 GMT

>>Muppet Show.  They were singing about two ships, one with no sail, and the
>>other without a rudder.  That, of course, was themselves.
>>
>This sounds way too much like the song "Two Lost Ships" (or something)
>from the musical The Pajama Game.  Maybe it was, or maybe some memories

Try "Two Lost Souls" from _Damn Yankees_.
From: fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Sweetums and Robin
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:04:32 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov13.153217.8717@iscsvax.uni.edu> hosch2263@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>        To my knowledge, Robin and Sweetums did a duet together on the original
>Muppet Show.  They were singing about two ships, one with no sail, and the
>other without a rudder.  That, of course, was themselves.
>
>        Kitten
>
This sounds way too much like the song "Two Lost Ships" (or something)
from the musical The Pajama Game.  Maybe it was, or maybe some memories
got confused somewhere along the line.

Sharon
From: myk@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Muppets on Nick
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:50:22 EST
Summary: Cinderella also a muppet special
Reply-To: Michael_Oltz@cornell.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Interactive Multimedia Group, Cornell University

In article <lis.722481614@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>,
lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes: 
> I know that Nickelodeon has shown Muppet Musicians & Frog Prince.
> Have they shown any others?  What other muppet specials were there?

Well, there are lots of other specials, but in the particular  group
of specials you mention, there was at least one more: Hey, Cinderella!
I don't remember anything much about the plot.  However, there was a
little dog with long hair, and the king's carriage was pulled by a
full-body puppet (a person in a suit, like Big Bird or the Gorgs).
This was a monster who was as nuts about radishes as Cookie Monster
is about cookies.  At one point, the king asked another character,
"Tell me, what does my nose remind you of?" and this monster looked
over and slowly asked in a husky monster voice: "Uh rad-dish?"
--------
P.S. Does anybody know if there is a videotape out that includes
the Sesame Street segment in which Snuffleupagus sings the alphabet
as an aria with a real opera singer?
--------
Michael_Oltz@cornell.edu
From: basil@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian J. Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: RE: Rainbow Connection lyrics
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:25:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In the previous post of the Rainbow Connection lyrics there was a small error:

It should be:
What's so amazing that keeps us star-gazing?
And what do we think we might see?


Brian :)


PS.  What places sell the Jim Henson Celebration CD?
From: atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Dog City
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been much discussion here about the "Dog
City" Sat. morning Fox show.  Hmm?
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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: The NEW Kermit????
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <BxsIGK.ExJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, kgscharf@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Kevin Scharf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.053433.7412@udel.edu>, litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>> To Those of you who Have the Muppet Christmas Carol CD...
>> 
>> 	How's the new Kermit's voice sound?  Every muppet fan I know
>> is skeptical of the movie because the posters show kermit.  Is he on 
>> the soundtrack?  Does he sound Okay?
>> 
>> 						Steve
>>
>I don't have the CD, but I did see the "Coming Attractions" for Muppet Christmas Carol last night as a lead-in to Aladdin.  They showed Kermit, who by the way is playing Bob Cratchitt in the movie, and the first thing I noticed was that it wasn't the Ker
>
>And could someone tell me how when a pig and a frog have children, the girls are pigs, and the boys frogs?  I thought that was VERY interesting.


I have the CD.  Kermit's replacement is a reasonable substitute.  There is
some effort to make him sound the same, but he is different enough to
have his own quirks (is this intentional, to have Kermit evolve slightly 
in the process?)

The muppet performers are not credited specifically in the credits of the 
album.  By the way, I don't think this is the same voice that subbed 
briefly at the end of the Jim Henson tribute show.

As to pigs and frogs, you obviously have not heard of the maternal/paternal
inheiritance rule for non-biological lifeforms (first proposed for 'toons.)
Boys look like their Dads, girls like their Moms.  See the end of "Lady
and the Tramp" for an example.

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^ Q:  "What must I do to convince you people?"  ^  Tom Thatcher
^ WORF:   "Die."                                ^  University of Rochester
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Your Sig (Re: Muppet Christmas Carol)
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:52:30 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

> Animal:  EAT DRUMS!!!!  EAT DRUMS!!!!
> 
> Dr. Teeth:  No, no Animal.  That's beat drums.  Beat drums.
> 
> Animal:  UH?  AAHHH!!  BEAT DRUMS!!!! BEAT DRUMS!! HA!!HA!!

You forgot my favorite in your sig :)

Ren: What have you got behind your back?
Stimpy: Oh nothing!
Ren: ... Hand it over!
Stimpy: It's the happy helmet, Ren.  Now you'll always be happy!
Ren: You seeck little monkeey!

Joy!

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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Muppet Christmas Carol Soundtrack
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:54:16 GMT

  Could someone please post or e-mail me the list of songs on the
soundtrack (are they original or traditinal Christmas songs.  If the latter,
are they the songs from the musical Scrooge or just Christmas songs).

			Thanks,
			    Fippster 6
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Subject: Re: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.185557.11586@news.acns.nwu.edu> scooter@eurasia.earth.nwu.edu (Scott Relyea) writes:
>So, when is the film supposed to be released?????
>
Opening nationwide December 11.  (I posted this a week ago, but
not very obviously.)

>Also, saw the special on Nickelodeon last night, are any
>more supposed to be shown??
>
It seemed to me that they were implying there would be more.
This one was copyrighted, I think, 1981.

John

Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: kgscharf@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Kevin Scharf)
Subject: Re: The NEW Kermit????
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:45:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.053433.7412@udel.edu>, litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
> To Those of you who Have the Muppet Christmas Carol CD...
> 
> 	How's the new Kermit's voice sound?  Every muppet fan I know
> is skeptical of the movie because the posters show kermit.  Is he on 
> the soundtrack?  Does he sound Okay?
> 
> 						Steve
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> | Stephen C. Litterst           |  "This must be a Thursday, I never |
> | kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ could get the hang of Thursdays." |
> |_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\________________ - A. Dent________|


I don't have the CD, but I did see the "Coming Attractions" for Muppet Christmas Carol last night as a lead-in to Aladdin.  They showed Kermit, who by the way is playing Bob Cratchitt in the movie, and the first thing I noticed was that it wasn't the Kermit I'd come to love.  

And could someone tell me how when a pig and a frog have children, the girls are pigs, and the boys frogs?  I thought that was VERY interesting.
From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Muppet Music
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov15.043446.8635@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, milton@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (milton) writes:
>
 I also got the "Muppets Christmas Carol" and it is great!  The
>songs, orchestrations, and performances are excellent!  
>I would have liked to hear a funky tune sung by Dr.Teeth and The Electric
>Mayhem... well, maybe next time.
>
Unfortunately, Dr. Teeth was another of Jim Henson's wonderful voices.  
They may have yet to find a suitable replacement.  Ditto for Statler
and Waldorf, one of whom was Henson, the other of whom was (Jerry?) Hunt,
who is not listed on the Muppet Christmas Carol credits.


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^ Q:  "What must I do to convince you people?"  ^  Tom Thatcher
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From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Remember Emmet?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:51:18 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: jimmy.harvard.edu


  Does anyone out there have a copy of _Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas_
on tape -- and would be willing to send me a copy? I have been trying to
watch it for YEARS, but I don't have HBO, and that is the only place I
have seen it advertised...

--Paul
bickford@jimmy.harvard.edu

.
.
From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (Christopher Robin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Connection
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:36:11 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.muppets
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

"Marybeth A. Griffin" <mg4h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Here it is. A wonderful song.
> 
> The Rainbow Connection
> 
> Why are there so many
> songs about rainbows,
> and what's on the other side?
> Rainbows are visions,
> but only illusions,
> and rainbows have nothing to hide.
> So we've been told, and some choose to believe it;
> I know they're wrong wait and see.
> Someday we'll find it,
> the rainbow connection,
> the lovers, the dreamers, and me.
> 
> Who said that every wish
> would be heard and answered
> when wished on the morning star?
> Somebody thought of that
> and someone believed it,
> look what its done so far.
> What's so amazing
> that keeps us star gazing,
> and what do we think it might bring?
> Someday we'll find it,
> the rainbow connection,
> the lovers, the dreamers and me.
> 
> All of us under its spell,
> we know that it's probably magic....
> 
> Have you been half-asleep
> and have you heard voices?
> I've heard them calling my name.
> Is this the sweet sound
> that calls the young sailors?
> The voice might be one and the same...
> I've heard it too many times to ignore it;
> It's something that I'm supposed to be.
> Someday we'll find it,
> the rainbow connection,
> the lovers, the dreamers, and me.
> 
> La da da di da di do
> La da da da di da di do

Why are there so many songs about rainbows?
That's part of what rainbows do.
Rainbows are memories,
sweetly reminders
what is it you'd like to do.
All of us watching and wishing we find it.
I've noticed you watching too.
Someday we'll find it
the Rainbow Connection
the lovers, the dreamers and
(instrumental)

> 
> Life's like a movie
> Write your own ending
> Keep believing keep pretending
> We've done just what we've set out to do
> Thanks to the lovers, the dreamers, and you.........
> 
> Marybeth
> 
> And other strains of woe, which now seem woe,
> Compared to loss of thee, would not seem so. 
> 				-Shakespeare, Sonnet 90


Is there a FAQ on this?  There really should be, I'm relatively new
and this is the second or third time this has come up.
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