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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: 3-day workout
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 10:08:54 GMT

K.X. Saunders (kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
: In article <9209081718.AA16970@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
: >>From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (Bob Campbell)
: >>  The other day I did heavy triceps only to find out that it made
: >>  it tough to do bench presses.
: >
: >until this statement i was reading your original post thinking "nah,
: >i won't answer that, it's up to you, a matter of preference".
: >
: >but ALWAYS train triceps AFTER chest or shoulders.

Always tri's and peck's but I recommend which ever you need the most
gain on first.

: >and ALWAYS train biceps AFTER back. the rest is up to you.
:
Again the combination is correct but the one you want the most gain on
should always come first.

 >
: >back brings the biceps into play, and chest and shoulders bring the
: >triceps into play. if your biceps are smoked then a back workout is
: >not very successful. likewise for triceps, if they are smoked, forget
: >a decent chest/shoulders workout that (or the next) day.
: >work the bigger muscle groups first, and pre-exhaust the smaller muscles
: >(biceps and triceps).
: 
: 	I would disagree about training the biceps after the back.  I suppose
: it depends on the exercise, but I do bent-over rows.  If I didn't do my 
: barbell curls first, it would be too easy to unintentionally cheat.  
:

If you noticed the earlier bodybuilders(1940 to 1960's) had much larger 
arms compared to there chest measurements.  This was mainly done by 
starting on there arms on all there workouts.  Some individuals (me for
one) believe that most body builders today have overly built there
torso in comparison to there arms.

Dennis	 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: '92 Mr. Olympia & Steroids, a criticism.
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:02:34 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
> yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
> 
> any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
> available!

#define flamethrower ON

I wonder will the winner be also crowned by the company he gets his steroids
from?

I'm sorry folks, I'm one of those people who believes that ALL of those guys in
Mr. Olympia are on steroids. I heard last year that when someone wanted to
introduce random drug-testing into the IFBB, the bodybuilders had a freak!

That must be a clear sign that the use of drugs is not only widespread but
almost EVERYWHERE in pro bodybuilding (except for some groups like the ones who
sponsor Mr. Natural America). Now don't get me wrong, I love my weight-training,
and I'm sure there are lots of 'clean' people around, but those guys in the
upper echelons of 'the industry' are not clean. I can't wait to see how long
guys like Haney live with all the drugs in their system. 

# define flamethrower OFF


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: 3-day workout
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.130109.16750@doug.cae.wisc.edu> wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann) writes:
>
>In article <9209081718.AA16970@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>|> >From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (Bob Campbell)
>|> >  The other day I did heavy triceps only to find out that it made
>|> >  it tough to do bench presses.
>|> 
>|> until this statement i was reading your original post thinking "nah,
>|> i won't answer that, it's up to you, a matter of preference".
>|> 
>|> but ALWAYS train triceps AFTER chest or shoulders.
>|> and ALWAYS train biceps AFTER back. the rest is up to you.
>
>Just to add a bit in agreement...
>
>My general rule of thumb (and think others would claim it as well...) is
>to do large muscle groups / compound movements first and then work towards
>smaller muscle groups.
>
>So for legs it might be squats, then leg press, then stiff leg deadlifts,
>then calf work.  The idea is to tire out the big groups then work smaller
>groups that are less dependant on the biggies.
>
>Art

well, i have to voice a mild dissent here.  it's really a question of what
muscles need development.  i'm thinking of the chippendales, specifically.
many of them seem to have well developed chests, but arms that, though they
are clearly developed, are too small for their chests.  in such an
instance, i think investing primary energies in the smaller muscle groups
first, and doing moderately light sets for the pecs is called for.  that
way the chest can be maintained while the arms catch up.

poobear
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Wanted: NordicTrak Ski Simulator
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:27:47 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <1992Sep13.231041.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>	Don't waste your money! These machines are a real scam. Granted, any 
>exercise is better than no exercise, but there are several cheaper (and more 
>effective) ways to exercise (ie: walk/jog, walking stairs, rowing machine, 
>swimming, low impact aerobics, etc.).

What you say is inconsistent with what Covert Bailey and other people
researching fitness have said. The NT has the ability to raise one's
metabolism to a training pulse rate quite rapidly and easily hold it there.
It's certainly using most of the major muscle groups, and it's a non-jarring
exercise. 

With the exception of swimming, nothing is wrong with the other aerobic
exercises you listed, particularly if you add some upper-body component to the
aerobic exercise. For losing fat, swimming is one of the less effective
exercises.

>	Being a nordic ski coach (+12 years), people are rather suprised to 
>hear me shoot down the NordicTrack (in spite of Bill Koch's endorsement |^) !)
>but it is really not that effective (resistance is everything!).

Not effective for what? On what do you base that statement? Also, what do you
mean by "resistance is everything?"

>Nordic Norm

--phil
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Ferrigno in Olympia
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:11:21 GMT

Word from Gold's was that Ferrigno took 12th place
at the olympia.

--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: control3@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mark Readman)
Subject: aerobics/skiing/streching
Originator: control3@monet.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:51:29 GMT


I notice that after a days skiing I am much more flexible
in the legs and hips. Not unreasonably. However even though
I do quite a bit of aerobics I do not retain this flexibility.
Is there some way of staying more flexible other that going skiing
every day.
Mark.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running,sci.med
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Pain in Lung
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:42:49 GMT

Sounds like a "stitch" to me.  See rec.running's faq.  Most of us get them
sometimes.  I get them a lot.  I've read dozens of cures and none work for me
all the time.  Sometimes something works, sometimes not.  My most
effective cure is upping my pace for a while (ok in a training run but not
always a good option in a marathon).  Others do belly
breathing, change their breathing pattern (wrt which leg strike they breath in
rhythm with), change their eating pattern, do situps, etc.  Experiment with what
works for you.
Tom
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: '92 Mr. Olympia & Steroids, a criticism.
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 02:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.120234.1@vax1.tcd.ie> kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry folks, I'm one of those people who believes that ALL of those guys  
in
> Mr. Olympia are on steroids. 

What do you mean 'believe'? They _do_. There is no question about
it. Everyone on that stages uses steroids and or GH. This is not
news. 

(my friend works out with many of those folks at Golds. I've heard
what they are taking...)


--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: MUSCLE by Samuel Fussell
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.184408.14898@skylinx.sa.com> sunny@skylinx.sa.com (Sunny Heck) writes:
>I just finished reading this book, and I felt that some of the
>comments that Fussel got from the gay guys, about him being gay
>but just not knowing it yet may be more to the point than he
>cares to admit.  after all there were very few women in his life
>during the four years that he described in the book, and, probably,
>even fewer before that.  [...]
>overall, the book had exercise descriptions that you can find in any
>M&F magazine, coupled with a mesogynistic attitude.  this guy hates
>women and reeks of it.  any comments?

Yeah, I hope you're not saying that misogyny and being gay are necessarily
linked.


-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: loszewski_im@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE by Samuel Fussell
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:03:26 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Sep9.184408.14898@skylinx.sa.com>, sunny@skylinx.sa.com (Sunny Heck) writes:
> I just finished reading this book, and I felt that some of the
> comments that Fussel got from the gay guys, about him being gay
> but just not knowing it yet may be more to the point than he
> cares to admit.  after all there were very few women in his life
> during the four years that he described in the book, and, probably,
> even fewer before that.  of the women described, one cheated on her
> fiance with him, G-spot had unsightly hair growth, but at least she
> used to be cute before she started lifting, oh, almost forgot about
> her breasts being firmer than his...all gym bunnies are airheads, and
> to top it all of the hearsay evidence of an appendage growing on 
> one of the bodybuilder girls.  will that work for men also?:)
> overall, the book had exercise descriptions that you can find in any
> M&F magazine, coupled with a mesogynistic attitude.  this guy hates
> women and reeks of it.  any comments?
> 
> sunny

Excuse me for my rudeness, but who the hell gives a shit?  Who cares if he has
sex with men, women, or baboons.  If this is all that you got out of the book,
then I think you should go back to 4th grade and study reading comprehension
again.

-Rob
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Matarazzo
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:59:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I ordered the IFBB scrubs they have Matarazzo pictured wearing in
the ads.  I figured if it's big enough for him, it's big enough for
me.  It turns out to be a little smaller than I'd like it to be
(one size fits all), so I guess they had one custom made for him.
Oh, well.  I also had fun over the weekend looking for a leather
jacket.  The 48 was too small (I had to have someone pull it off
of me), and you could have fit a small child under the waist of
the 50.  The joy of clothes shopping.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How to work all muscles
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:44:29 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <1992Sep10.222005.7502@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>Muscles where you're in a standing position *and* doing something with your
>arms will get most of the major muscle groups. If you've seen any Nordic Track
>ads, you know that x-c skiing (and Nordic Track machines) do this quite well.
>[...]

Oh: I forgot one! Rollerblading with x-c poles is a really neat exercise!
There are all sorts of different poling patterns to use with your skating
stroke, you you can just double-pole it for a while.  The High Art for this
sport is the asymmetrical pole plants -- about 15 degrees out of phase --
borrowed from Gunde Swen and x-c skating skiing. When you find your rhythm,
cruising the terrain with the asym pole plants has the quality of a mystical
experience.

If you have vast amounts of asphalt with very low traffic, rollerblading with
x-c poles is deinitely one of the more fun forms of total-body aerobic
exercise.

--phil
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: '92 Mr. Olympia & Steroids, a criticism.
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:04:35 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>Yeah?  Well I'm one of those people who believes that ALL
>of the people on the net are on steroids.  As well as all
>the characters in the Disney movie "Beauty and the Beast".


	So sou noticed that too, hmm?   I thought it was just
my imagination.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 09:31:33 CDT
From: <U58855@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step/aerobic moves (was: STEP ReeBok
 <1992Sep2.214217.12337@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 <1992Sep3.014523.1438@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
 <1992Sep3.142756.15540@ide.com>

In every STEP class I attended, the instructor stressed NOT slamming the foot
up on the step, but stepping up naturally, just like walking up stairs.  Of
course 10-15 people walking up stairs could get a little bit noisy. :)

The only injury I've seen in step was by a guy who had three risers under his
bench, and he tripped stepping up.  Not hurt bad, just a sprained wrist.
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:12:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep14.161202.24914
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <#09y2nf@rpi.edu> cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu> poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) write>
>Hey Poo,
>
>  Sorry I couldn't make it this weekend (had to go to a wedding) -
>but how about you telling us about the contest *you* went to?
>
>Ron
>

sorry to have missed you ron.    

the powerhouse grand prix competition happened saturday, 9/12, at bentley
college in waltham, mass.  guest posers included matarazzo (i've already
talked a bit about that.....), cecchini's friends celina martins and craig
licker (a pair who will be competing at the mr./ms. america in two weeks),
and ron lopes -- a brilliant star from rhode island who won the providence
invitational this summer.

the overall mens' winner was from my gym, once again.  his name is fred
bigot (pronounced bee-szho).  he was a superb light-heavy, and it was his
first competition ever.  there were a few of the 40 contestants who had NO
business on the stage (i don't know why people do that!!), but there were
some big folks there.  many of them were just too soft, though.  only 3 or
4 were really, really cut, and fred bigot was one of them.  he's a real
quiet, easy going guy who trains alone with his walkthing.  you'd never
know he was readying himself for the big time.  he's ready for a regional
competition like the new england or the mass. state.  there was one
middleweight competitor who was a younger bob paris type -- very, very
classy presentation, miniscule waist, and outstanding symmetry.  i think
he could take it to the next level too.  his name i don't remember.

the overall womens' champion came from up north, and was not terribly
impressive.

matarazzo is the biggest human being i have ever seen in my life, pure and
simple.  those 22.5 inch arms were there for all to see.  he says that the
strongest bodybuilder in the world is jim quinn -- with 1600 pound leg
presses!   ooooooof!    matarazzo is 5'10", 275 pounds of granite, by the way.

hey, is anybody going to the mr./ms. america competition in joisey?  i am!

poobear

p.s., guest posers at the mr./ms. america are rumored to include mr de
angelis, the 1991 mr. america, kevin levrone, and ms. america (whose name
escapes me).
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Matarazzo 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:34:39 GMT


I was there with Claude to see Mike Matarazzo. 
His seminar went on for about 2 hrs. 
It was just an open discussion on anything. 

Some of the things he said: 
He eats around 9000 calories, mostly protein. 
He eats over 30 chicken breasts a day. 
Thats when he's cutting up pre-contest! 
Offseason he eats many pounds of steak per day. 
He never trains his calves (which are 22 inches). 
He's pals with most bodybuilders. When he went to California, Shawn 
Ray "said something" and as Mike says: "I straightened him out". 
When asked about Cybergenics he goes (in a Santorinello imitation) 
"Do you wanna look like this? , I sure dont wanna look like this!" 
He always trains with basic exercises, and always cheats. 
He trains five days on (one bodypart per day) and one day off. 
He trains about an hour per day off-season. 
He predicted that Dorian would win and that the other top places for 
the Mr Olympia would go to Vince Taylor , Shawn Ray , and Kevin Levronne 
(he called it!). He also said that Lou was out of his league. 
His arms are 22 1/2 inches but theyve been up to 23 1/2 inches. 
His favorite ice-cream is Ben&Jerrys Chocolate chip fudge. 
As Claude mentioned he trains delts with shoulders......

The posing was awesome! The guy is awesome huge mind-boggling! 
His most muscular is the TRUE most muscular. Every other bodybuilders 
most muscular should now be called "mearely muscular". 
He really got into it and was running up and down the aisles 
screaming and yelling and the crowd was on their feet also screaming. 

The 93 Olympia? If symmetry wasnt an issue it wouldnt even be a contest! 

We'll see....


Aleck 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: ************ Help with flexibility *************************
Organization: Society to Prevent Proton Decay
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:26:06 GMT

I also practice martial arts and I've had the most success with the
follwoing routine. I stretch every morning for fifteen minutes. I do
static stretching, concentrating on the leg muscles. I stretch to the
point where I feel the stretch and hold the position for about one
minute. Stretching requires lots of patience. Somedays you will feel
stiff and not able to stretch as much as you usually can. But you
shouldn't feel sore or less flexible after stretching if you are doing
them correctly. If you want further advice on how to stretch, ask some
one at your school who stretches regularly to help you. If you can't
get help there, consider taking a class in hatha yoga.

--
Bernie Simon				This isn't science,
(bsimon@stsci.edu)			this is sheer madness!
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: name of this exercise..
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:38:28 GMT
Distribution: misc.fitness
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <TMR.92Sep7160547@fat-controller.bham.ac.uk>, tmr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Tim M. Read) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone could put a name to a form of exercise I heard
> about a while ago, so that I know where to look to get more information.
> 
> It consists (so I understand) of tensing muscles, (eg) as if you are pushing
> against an imaginary object. Apparently the exercise is obtained by
> different groups of muscles working against each other. The good thing about
> this is that it can be done anywhere (eg on an aeroplane, or train journey),
> without any equipment or space.
> 
> Any information would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,

I think it is called isometrics.

> 
>  Tim
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness,ba.food
From: dawn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dawn Irene Burgess)
Subject: Re: coffee grnds, aluminum pots unhealthy??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.232158.19745@leland.Stanford.EDU> mfabrega@raynet.com writes:
>
>Another question: my espresso maker is made of aluminum, which is possibly
>risky, since aluminum has been linked w/ Alzheimer's.  Any data on this?
>

Hi.  The story on this as I understand it (from my neuroscientist husband
and friends) is that aluminum is found in concentrations in the brains 
of people who died with alzheimers.  It is not certain whether the 
aluminum causes the alzheimers or the disease causes the aluminum
to accumulate (when otherwise it might be excreted).  In any case,
however, the researcher who discovered the 'link' asserts that he 
still eats out of aluminum cookware, since the digestive tract is 
not a good way to take up aluminum into your system.  He suggests
that the respiratory system may be a better way, perhaps through
aerosol antiperspirants, which have aluminum salts.

The bottom line, though, is that there is a very weak link that
cannot be said to be conclusive yet.  

Disclaimer:  This is of course my relatively uninformed take on 
a highly complex issue.  If you are really worried, take precautions.

Dawn