From: Zeke@homo.is.the.way.to.go.to.get.a.piece.of.pucker.hole.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Twist my words, twist your words,..., (Re: to Howard Black ...)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:24 CST
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>>In article <1992Dec19.070718.23582@netcom.com>, 
>>robj@netcom.com (Rob Jellinghaus) writes...
>>     You make it sound as if the PRO HETERO facets of society are nothing
>>more than white supremacists running around with burning crosses.  I do not
>>think this analogy is very representative of the Hetero society. 
> 
>It depends on what you mean by "hetero society".  You seem to think you
>are PRO HETERO, which means you put anti-gay symbols in your .signature
>while claiming everyone _else_ is bigoted against _you_.  You're one of
>the only heterosexual people I know that's enough of a jerk to post the
>crap we've seen from you.  But you seem to think that when we insult you,

     Let the record show, not at any one time during my visitation of this alt.
have I posted anything that wasn't originally biased in favor of the PRO HOMO
sect.  I have taken the very same arguments that I have seen and written the
pro-Necro, Pro-Beast, or Pro Hetero version.  What is truly devastating was
the fact that all posts made with a Pro Hetero tone have had an immediate
backlash of Anti-Hetero replies whilst the other posts were basically ignorred.
Why is this, why do the PRO HOMO (i.e. anti-hetero) people that posted
replies only respond to the pro hetero arguments??
Whats the matter, is that biggotttteeddd, innnntooolllleraannttt, pro HOMO
stance starting to rear its ugly head?

Why can you not tolerate PRO HETERO's?
Why is there no comment on PRO NECRO's or PRO BESTIALITY?

Why are you so jaded against a PRO HETERO who uses your own arguments?

>we are insulting all heterosexuals.  Kinda like a Ku Klux Klan member
>claiming that the entire white race is being insulted when blacks protest
>the KKK.

     Again, you twist any pro Hetero opinion t  some completely inappropiate
analogy of KKKBlack racist situation.  Quit trying to flame up the
emotionalism of the Black Struggle for equality into your pro homo stance!
Any one who agrees that a racial issue and a sexual orientation issue are
equivalent is a fucking idiot (i.e. you Rob)!   


>If you are PRO HETERO, and if PRO HETEROs do what you do, then yes, I do
>think PRO HETEROS are a queer-negative version of the KKK.  (Not that the
>KKK isn't queer-negative; the PRO HETEROs might well be a splinter group.)

     If I am PRO HETERO, and if PRO HETEROs do what I d, then they can and
will take the same bullshit PRO HOMO propaganda, re-word with respect to the 
PRO HETERO movement and make the HETEROsexual population look as if it is
being discriminated against by all those nasty icky poo homos, necros,
bestiality creeps. Thus showing that any anti-discrimination legislation is
about as effective as the Sodomy laws in various states. But you are too
blinded by your emotionalism to realize this! I pity you for it.

>>>Or a Nazi who's bemoaning the prejudice Jews have against him.
>>
>>     You make it sound as if the PRO HETERO facets of society are nothing
>>more than storm troopers out to gas jews and pull out thier gold fillings upon
>>their death.
> 
>Not yet, they're not.  But we've seen where religious crusades like the
>CFV and OCA lead to... it's already happened this century, in Germany.

     NOW you attack any group that has anyreligious tenants of morality.
What is the matter now?  Rob, you have already shown that YOUR brand of
PRO HOMO is really ANTI-HETERO. Does this statement about religous crusades
mean that YOUR brand of PRO HOMO is also ANTI-RELIGION?

> 
>>     This particular person has implied that the racial discrimination of
>>blacks and whites is equivalent to sexual discrimination of heteros and homos.
>>This is a very dangerous implication because a black man cannot make the
>>decision to become white (excluding some members of the Jackson family),
>>brown, red, etc.  The HOMO has a choice (i.e. he can choose heterosexuality,
>>homosexuality, and/or both at the same time)!
> 
>Yep, it's true.  Just like djk, the Zekester is basically unable to
>read.  Here on alt.politics.homosexuality people have repeatedly said
>that most gay people did _not_ choose to be gay, and can _not_ choose
>_not_ to be gay.  All psychological studies agree that sexual
>orientation is in most cases not a voluntary choice (in many cases it
>is, but not all).  Could you, Zekester, choose not to be straight?
>When did you choose to be straight?  You simply do not know what the
>fuck you are talking about.

No Rob, you cannot see the FUCKING point that I am making. I do not
give a damn what people "have said" about whether or not they choose to be
a necro, homo, beasty-boy,and/or pedophile etc. If you trust the psychological
studies that have been done and take them as concrete and unbending evidence
that sexual orientation is not a choice, then how does a society deal with
the pedophiles that fuck our children (should they be put in jail because
of their preference, should they see psychiatric help for their sickness?)

I seem to have heard the above argument put into a PRO HOMO perspective just 
a few years ago. The answers from the HOMOsexuals was that jail and therapy
were not the answers to a genetically innate sexual behaviour.  So ROB
what are your solutions to helping out the PEDOPHILES in this great nation??
If we apply the PRO HOMO arguments to the PEDO sect, I think you might not
like the answers!!  So maybe I do know what the FUCK I am talking about and
that you do not have the FUCKING foresight to see what ramifications YOUR
perverse ANTI-HETERO stance has!!!


> 
>And whether or _not_ homosexuality is a choice for any particular person,
>why _should_ they choose not to be homosexual?  What are the _exact
>reasons_ homosexuality is inferior to heterosexuality as a sexual
>orientation?
> 
     See above rebuttal!

>>Now since he can flip/flop back
>>and forth (much like our president-elect will during the next four years),
>>this gives him the ability to change to the sexual lifestyle of choice.
> 
>People like you are why the Republican Party lost so badly this year,
>and why it will continue to lose badly unless it disavows the PRO
>HETEROs.
> 

 ROB, you seem to imply that I am a republican! Now look what you have
done thus far!

You have accused me of being a biggotttteedd, republican, member of the K.K.K.
while being a homophobic, ignorant, anti-jew, anti-black puckered asshole.
I really can respect YOUR PRO HOMO stance based on the fact that I just
might be a Jewish, Libertarian, man of Afro-American origins or none of
the above.
Now lets Face it ROB you are a disgrace to any HOMOsexual and his cause because
you are judgmental, emotionally unstable, vindictive, and hyper-sensitive.
I pity you for it! (you should seek some therapy!!!)


>>     This particular person has implied that ethnic discrimination of Jews and
>>Nazis is equivalent to sexual discrimination of heteros and homos.  This is
>>also a very dangerous implication because a Jew has a sense of moral judgement
>>handed to him by Yahweh through his commandments and laws.  Thus, to equate an
>>atheistic society bent on the destruction and genocide of an entire people, that
>>have been chosen by God, to the afore mentioned sexual discrimination is
>>nothing but pure rubbish.
> 
>What are you saying?  That because the Jews were religious, it was bad
>to wipe them out?  Whereas in the PRO HETERO case, it is the PRO HETEROs
>who are religious and have morals on their side, and the queers who are
>the moral-less atheists?  You're saying discrimination against queers is
>morally better than discrimination against Jews?  Even though Jews _can_
>choose not to be Jewish?
> 

     No you stupid silly boy, I said that assuming religious persecution and
and sexual discrimination should not be equated. Can you not read what I said??
You seem to be selectively literate and read only what you want to read??
Where does my passage listed above show any biased about any HOMO being
ammoral? HMMMM WHEEREEE? 
     Why do you read words into my passages? Are you morally inept? Do you lack
the back bone to render what is right and wrong? Do you know what is right and
wrong? Precedents have been set where people have committed murder were set
free because they were not capable of knowing right from wrong! This usually
resulted in that person having the mind of a child say from 3-5 yrs of age.
Thus this person is not considered an adult.  How can you consider yourself
a consenting adult when you have displayed an intolerance for any ethics based
on some fundamental moral laws.  
Your responce usually is:
"Who are you to say what is morally right/wrong"
My answer is "I am the one that decides my values" if you are intolerant
of them, you are a bigot.

>You know, Zekester, we've been though this all before.  I've seen
>bigoted gay-bashers like you come and go.  You storm in with ranting
>and raving, we point out how stupid you sound, you try to defend
>yourself, we pick your arguments to pieces, and eventually you have no
>new arguments to make.  Every time you repeat yourself we quote your
>own posts back at you with the answers we gave you the first time,
>until you are reduced to dribbling insults and frothing at the mouth.
>And then you go away, and we are still here, to deal with the next
>bigot to come along.  It happened with djk, and it'll happen with you,
>unless you wise up and quit while you're ahead.
> 

Very interesting paragraph for you have summed up your type of PRO HOMO way of
thinking. Again you assume that I am a gay basher, you assume my arguments
are trash and you try to shut me up. 
   Guess what, I hope that you are able to pick my arguments to pieces, and
I hope that one day I will have no arguments to make.  Why do I hope this?
Because my arguments are the complimentary mirror images of your arguments!!
When you have picked my arguments to pieces, you will have picked your own
arguments to pieces. When you realized that my arguments are no more valid than
yours (because my arguements are derived from your own) maybe we
can conclude this sparring match.  

But Until you have reached that higher echelon of thinking that is above
your PRO HOMO, PRO HETERO, PRO THIS, PRO THAT biases, I will continue
to haunt you with your own limited logic.



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|The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
|       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
|    ***          ***      They call me bigotted,             |
|  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
| **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
|**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
|**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
|**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
| ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
|  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
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|       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |
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