From: psmoker@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: That little itty bitty march
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:55:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Apr13.215514.944
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Apr13.171856.28693@nynexst.com>, em@nynexst.com (Edward Man) writes:
> In article <29E89ED6.21872@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
>>em@nynexst.com (Edward Man) writes:
>>>I wondered what the polls would show if the question "Are you
>>>pro-abortion, anti-abortion, or for restricted abortion?" were asked
>>>instead of something simple and misleading like "Are you pro-choice
>>>or pro-life?"
>>
>>If you had ever even seen the Gallup Reports on abortion, you would not
>>have asked this question.  The Gallup Polls asked whether abortion
>>should be made illegal.  A majority of Americans (nearly two-thirds)
>>has consistently stated that abortion should remain legal.
> 
> This is NOT the question I've asked! Can't you see the difference?
> They are two difference questions. Your question divide "respondents"
> into two groups, and mine threee. It is this third group that destroy
> your credibility. You know deep in your heart that most of the "YES"
> votes go to the third group, and hence weaken your argument.
> 
>>My point was this:  More politicians are pro-choice than pro-life.  Why
>>do you suppose that is?  Could it have anything to do with the fact that,
>>say, a majority of the U.S. public is pro-choice?
> 
> I suppose when you only have misnomers like "pro-choice" and
> "pro-life," people are confused. Again, try the three groups
> "anti-abortion," "pro-abortion," and "for restricted abortion"
> and perform a survey. Oh, better yet, try "anti-abortion,"
> "ANTI-LIFE," and "for restricted abortion" and perform a survey.
> Do you think the results of the survey will be the same?
> 

THis is NOT a valid representation of the positions. Can't you see the 
difference? They are two different groups. It is this third group that 
destroys your credibility- THE ANTI-LIFE. Get real. Nobody is advocating
going out and killing every child born!!!!

>>By the way, your ex cathedra labeling of pro-choice people as "wrong"
>>is not going to get you any points in this or any debate.  Let's leave
>>the labels out and debate the issues rationally, please.
> 
> Excuse me, "wrong" is not a label. You mean I should not say you are
> wrong even if you are wrong. So, you don't want me to tell the truth.
> Sorry, can't help you; I am an honest person.

If "wrong" is subjective, as it is here, what else could it be BUT a 
label?

>>Well, we do have this thing called the separation of Church and State.
> 
> What does this got to do with anything? If what you mean is that the
> State should not adopt law compatible with the Church's believes then
> maybe we should legalize murder, etc.
> 
> Disallowing praying in "public" schools is separation of Church and
> State. But citizens, who happen to be religious, expressing their
> views? Come on! Besides, the ANTI-LIFE movement is basically an
> unorganized religion. They don't call themselves "religious," that's
> all.

If it were as TAME as you CLAIM it is, i.e. citizens, who happen to be
religious, expressing their views, this problem would not be of the magnitude
it currenly is. Or, should I say, this symptom..

> I am not religious, BTW.

Not even in your viewpoints?

>>As to your assertion that the government listens to environmentalists
>>and AIDS activists:  I'm not quite sure what planet you're living on.
> 
> I am from Earth. How about you? You asked that question, I supposed
> you must have come from a planet different than mine.
> Do you know who Al Gore is? You think he doesn't listen to those
> wackos? How about all those liberal government officials? Have you
  ^^^^^^
Had you used this at the beginning of the letter, I would not have gone on.
As it is, it just shows your religious devotion to what you believe is true,
and your refusal to consider any other view. Right.

> ever listen to or read those campaign messages?
> 
> ---
> Ed

Geosh VonVathauer