HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250 (costs)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.122450.2859@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  
(Joe Freeman) writes:

> Not true.  NeXT is about the only workstation company that
> does sell a $5K computer.  The minimal system is useable
> and is adequate for certain problem areas.  Though,
> larger configurations are better.  Most workstations
> come diskless or  ramless at the entry price (oh boy I can
> see all the email coming in  at how everyone's favorite
> computer doesn't come that way) 

The above indicates to me that some NeXT folks have begun
believing their own marketing BS, which I think is a sad
state of affairs. 

This fantasy of the $5K NeXTstation (8 MB RAM, 105 MB HD)
being adequate as a stand-alone system for little more
than editing text files must be stamped out once and for
all.

The current cost of 16 MB of RAM (4x4MB) is no greater
than the cost of 8 MB RAM (8x1MB) when the NeXTstation was
first announced, so there is no financial reason not to
upgrade all new "basic" NeXTstations sold to 16 MB RAM.  

I don't have information about the variance over time of
HD prices, but I think they have dropped in cost, although
not nearly as dramatically as memory prices.  If NeXT
would use the 250 MB HD in the "basic" NeXTstation, the
stand-alone user would truly have a "basic" NeXT on which
they could use neat (and large) TIFF and EPS files, which
after all are a big part of the original reason to use a NeXT
vs. another box. 

I say, give us a NeXTstation (16 MB RAM, 250 MB HD) for $5K (list)!

Of course, if NeXT felt obligated to sell the NeXTstation Turbo
box with the same specs for $5K, that would be OK too ;-)

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Questions about Fujitsu drives
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:28:08 GMT

In article <2541@creatures.cs.vt.edu> alanlb@cs.vt.edu writes:
>Hi there!  I'm about to spend an awfully large chunk of my savings on
>a larger drive and I have a few questions:
>
>1) What is the formatted capacity of a 2624SA (the one that's ~540MB)
>   using 1024-byte sectors?

When a low level format at 1024bytes/sector is performed, df reports
about 520MB (Fujitsu claims the drive is 520MB formatted capacity).
However, after the bare filesystem is installed, you end up with
about 450 usable-MB.

>2) What are the differences between a 2624S and a 2624SA?

Occording to convention seen on other Fujitsu drives, the A
stands for 512byte sectors, the B stands for 1024byte sectors.
If no suffix letter exists, then that might indicate a reference
to the generic drive, without specifying low level formatting info.

>3) Are the 5.25" full-height externals *really* noisy (my second choice
>   is the ~660MB model), e.g. would you go nuts in a quiet apartment
>   bedroom?  I once tried out a pre-production Seagate 1480N and it whined
>   at such a high pitch I made me nauseous.

From what I have heard, yes, they are quite noisy.  But only when
seeking.  It's hard to describe exactly how noisy we're talking about,
but I would never want one in my room.

>4) Suppose I swap my internal (I have a NeXTstation) with the 2624SA.
>   Is it true that that particular drive runs really hot, and if so,
>   any ramifications vis-a-vis component life?

I have been using a 2624SA in my slab for about 6 months, continuous
use.  It does get warm, but certainly no signifant temperature change
when compared to the Quantum 105.

>Thank you very much!
>
>--
>+---------------------------------------------v-----------------------------+
>| Alan L. Batongbacal                         | "If you spew and she bolts, |
>| alanlb@cs.vt.edu                            |  it was never meant to be." |
>| Bleaksburg, VA 24060                        |    -- Wayne Campbell        |
>+---------------------------------------------^-----------------------------+

Keep in mind also that the new 3.5" drives are noticeably faster
than the old 5.25" full-height drives.  Most of them support the
SCSI-2 extensions as well, which can increase performance
in some applications.

If you (or anyone else) buys a 2624 for use with a NeXT, be sure
to disable synchronous mode transfers and disable the SCSI-2
command set.  I have a list of the jumper settings if anyone
needs it.

...Stuart
From: gus@rrz.de (Guido Schoepp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: .score to .snd
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:18:55 GMT
Organization: Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH, Koblenz, Germany

Is there an (electronical) possibility to put the sound of a .score file into a .snd  
file?
	Guido
--
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|||| ||||   /  NeXT Registered Developer
|| \ || \ |||| gus@rrz.de
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From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Units Sold Last Year
Keywords: sales
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 21:07:15 GMT

According to the Summer issue of NeXTworld (p.21), IDC reports NeXT to  
have sold 15.5% of the 464,000 workstations sold in 1991. That makes about  
73,000 units for NeXT.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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From: a_young@oz.plymouth.edu (Alex Young)
Subject: NeXT with Macs
Reply-To: a_young@oz.plymouth.edu (Alex Young)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:54:40 GMT


 I have a few questions that maybe someone can answer. My father is a
graphic designer and he has a lab of macs that he andhis students use for
 basic and andvanced design. The most frequently used programs include
macwrite , pagemaker, letrastudios and aldus freehand. He wishes to 
purchase a color printer in the near future. And he would like that
printer to be postscript. He recently talked with a next rep who
suggested using a colorstation as a printserver for the next
colorprinter. He likes the next as great deal and would like one but 
he cannot afford to be isolated from his macs. 1) How easy would it be 
to hook up the macs and the next? 2) What could he and could he not 
do accross platforms? 3) Could the next be a file server? 4) Does
nextstep  3.0 allow this?  Please, if anyone knows what could be done
, we would appreciate your knowledge.

                Thank You
		C. Alex Young
                plymouth state college
                fine arts dept.
                a_young@oz.plymouth.edu
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SEF did it again (RTF) also Netrek update! (Not really) (not RTF)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:17:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.SCOTT.92Apr11141729
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: mcn@cwru.edu's message of Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:36:06 GMTLines: 36

In article <1992Apr11.033606.20581@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes:
>No, seriously, I just wanted to post something RTF so I can start the
>inevitable mail loop when I bounce all of his mail, and he bounces
>all of it back. I don't PAY for my connections, let's see how smug he
		   ^^^^^^^^^
>gets when all his bandwidth starts getting sucked up by mail
>bouncing back and forth with headers increasing in length. (Don't
>worry Chet, I wouldn't REALLY do it)

Well, someone out there certainly _does_ pay for your network
connection. Perhaps you don't directly.  Perhaps you do via
tuition.  Perhaps I do via taxes (and the NSF).  Either way, I can
assure you that someone does pay for your connection.

Later:
>What's wrong, Sef? Don't like having your mail bounced? If you
>'have the right' to bounce everyone else's mail, I have the right to
>bounce yours, even if does create an infinite mail loop--the
>bandwidth used is your own creation, not mine.

I assure you that you aren't going to be "getting to" Sean Fagan.
Many people have already tried and failed utterly.

And the bandwidth used is just as much your creation as it is his.  It
takes two people to make a flamewar.

And (last point, I promise) Sean at least has a reason to do the
bounces, and I can assure you that he can find a number of backup
arguments.  You state right out that you want to do it just to piss
Sean off.  Now _there's_ a reason to abuse resources that other people
are paying for you to use.

Later,
--
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12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN  55337  (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: parsec.1992Apr16.234600.861
Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized.

(Other stuff deleted)
>recognition on 'disappear' than 'hide_app'.   I've found that Simon just can't  
>**EVER** understand me when I say 'terminal', so I say 'unix' which he  
>understands pretty well.

This is so very true. The challenge in training Simon is to find different word
that are distinct enough not to give you any trouble. Assuming an imperative
type of entonation when issuing commands, also helps tremendously. Not only in
getting Simon to recognize you, but also on training oneself to be consistent.

>I've noticed that the only people who have posted to the net saying 'Simon is a  
>piece of crap and I just returned it.' are people who tried to make Simon do  
>things it just can't do; namely try to train a kabillion short words and expect  
>it to recognize them quickly and accurately (a la dictation), or want to shout  
>at it, or make it respond to it's own sounds, etc...  Simon definitely isn't  
>perfect, but it works pretty well if you make an effort to pick good words and  
>say them consistently, etc...

Ditto again. Take the time to train yourself - About a day or two - and use it
for what is meant. Simon is not meant for typing your letters. However, it makes
a hell of typist when all you need to do is enter your signature.

Later,


-- 
__
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
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From: john@nextdoor.com (John McCracken)
Subject: Re: Installing SoftPC & Mathematica
Reply-To: john@nextdoor.com
Organization: Nextdoor Software, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.232547.19789@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>  
tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr) writes:
> 
> 2.  When registering Mathematica the machine name (host name) is required.
> I interpret this as the name I gave my computer.  What happens if I want to
> change the name of my computer; will Mathematica still run?
> 

I changed this machine's hostname after installing Mathematica.  Mathematica
complained about it upon startup, but still worked fine.  I re-installed
Mathematica from floppies, and the problem went away.

-- 
 John McCracken                   White Computers
 john@nextdoor.com                  Can't Jump
 NeXTMail welcome
From: pan@athena.mit.edu (Howard W Pan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programming
Subject: Document sources for learning IB
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:44:07 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hi,

I want to learn how to use the Interface builder to create NeXT frontends for
some of the programs I wrote previously. I was wondering if there is a good
document source for learning how to use the Interface Builder. I know that NeXT
ships a book called the Development Tools which has a section on the Interface
Builder...but that costs a lot of money...so does anyone know of an electronic 
version of that document or any other source that would be of help to me.

Please email me at pan@athena.mit.edu since I don't usually read this news
group. 

Thank you very much for your help.

=Howard Pan=
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From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Sun CD-ROM on a NeXT ?
Date: 4 Apr 92 20:07:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr4.200724.14829
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Apr4.132204.12731@bernina.ethz.ch> traber@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch  
(Markus Traber x4399) writes:
> Hi everybody,
> Was anybody successful to use a Sun CD-ROM on a NeXT  ?
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> --Markus

I was able to connect the Sun CD-ROM with no problems whatsoever.

- db

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From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:14:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.160844.24774@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov  
(Todd M. Swan) writes:
> Of course, this is all speculation because NeXT isn't even selling  
NeXTcube  
> Turbos yet.  (At least they aren't in the price list.)

Turbo cubes started shipping nearly two weeks ago. Prices are exactly the  
same as the pre-Turbo cubes.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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From: andylee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Andy Lee)
Subject: Where to get SIMM's?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 01:27:28 GMT

Hello,

I know this has been covered recently, but I can't find the related
articles.  Could someone e-mail me the list of SIMM's dealers
and their phone numbers?  I need 16MB (4 x 4MB) for my color station.


-- 
Andy A. Lee           UCLA MS Graduate Student, AI Neural Networks
andylee@cs.ucla.edu   Down-to-Earth Idealist & Independent NeXT Developer
(310)824-7131         "If you don't watch your figure, who will?" - TV Ad.
(310)208-0200         "Trust is earned, not given away." - Star Trek: TNG
From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:33:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

In article <1992Apr12.232626.2319@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca> jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>In article <sadbkINNsn9@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu  
>(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
>While we're bitching ...
>
>I am quite annoyed by application software that keep their sample files,  
>demo files, and other non-directly related stuff in the *.app wrapper  
>which are almost always kept in /LocalApps residing on the aforementioned  
>filesystem. For consistency sake, why not keep them in the  
>/LocalLibrary/Documentation/... folders? Besides the application  
>executables and configuration files, help files should be the only other  
>files allowed to reside in the wrapper.

The other reason not to do this , is performance.  The Workspace scans
all the files in /LocalApps to build its icon and program information.  
Lots of files can cause poor login performance.  I know someone that had
all of coexist in /LocalApps (not recommended by the vendor) and
login time took a little while.
>
>Back to the original complaint about stray files in home folders, I prefer  
>the ~/Library/<application_name> approach. It is clean and easy to manage  
>and far enough out of the way of the home folders that the (expert) users  
>don't have to see it all the time.
>
I like it.  But then, I don't know what the real answer is supposed to be.

-- 
Joe Freeman	jfreem@uncecs.edu
		jfreeman@next.com (NeXT Mail)
The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my employer  or
anyone else I know of.  Flames can be mailed to me or routed to /dev/null.
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mathematica Problems
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:59:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr8.185922.16251
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab

In article <1992Apr8.172644.28387@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex3.eng.utsa.edu  
(Dan Shelton) writes:
> With the Mathematica 2.0 you have to include the path to the Mathematica  
> kernel in your .cshrc file.  e.g. if Mathematica is in /LocalApps, path is  
> /LocalApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel.  If you don't include the path, the  
> cursor will continue to spin.

I don't have that in my path and Mathematica works just peachy for me.  I think  
you are mistaken...

Todd
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From: sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: RE: Mime
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:55:27 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College


	Yes, well thank you for the MIME post.  I'm on a NeXT, and I  
assure you that I can't see what's been posted.  I'm not so much bothered  
about space or "bandwidth", the only thing I object to is that I have no  
access to the post. 
	However, I think your "object lesson" is a failed one.  If people  
were posting to the SUN, AT&T, [insert other computer brand here]  
newsgroup, yes, the posting of an RTF post would be as assinine as yours  
was.  The point, as I see it, is that this group is intended for NeXT  
specific information, and the use of a NeXT specific formating language  
seems far more appropriate then yours.

	IMHO- If there is no specific reason to post RTF don't- let the  
rest of the world learn the merits of NeXTdom.  But if there is a blatant  
reason to use RTF for the post (ie, sending a NeXT specific Icon on the  
NeXT specific newsgroup), don't you think people could just let it lie?
Oh yes, and the posting of MIME messages on this newsgroup is nothing more  
then masterbation.  I hope it was good for the poster, but it leaves me  
unimpressed.

					Perhaps it's just too sane to fly,
							Jake

EMAIL: sunthej@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: How do I make shell prompt show working directory?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:40:45 GMT


The subject pretty much says it all.  I really miss this from my life
in the DOS world.  How do I modify my .cshrc or .login to make this 
happen?  

Thanks,
Dave
basiji9@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again
Organization: L5 Computing
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:47:53 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
writes:
|> Do you think that he hasn't been doing it all along?  By now everyone
|> should _know_ that Sean Fagan will be replying to your RTF post.  If
|> you cannot handle his replies, then don't post RTF.  That's the
|> point, after all.
[munch]
|> Perhaps that activity would have squelched of it's own accord.  I
|> can help but think that having the specter of Sean Fagan in your
|> future doesn't help squelch things even more.
[munch]
|> He reads the mail.  The bounced message basically indicates that
|> he's no longer interested in replying to your messages.  It's
|> self-preservation.  I periodically have to cut people off because
|> they are taking too much of my time in email conversations.  It
|> seldom happens - and it shows (because I never seem to have any time
|> :-).  Sean's just automated this.
Your defense of SEF is quite touching. But your method of defense is double
endged. If SEF can't handle the responses to his inflammatory e-mail then he
shouldn't be sending it. Bouncing isn't the answer (and it can come back
to bite him in the ass.)

And he's made no progress at reducing the net bandwidth. Which ever way
the vote on csn.rtf goes SEF loses. If the rtf group goes down then RTF
postings keep right on going in csnm. If the rtf group goes through then the
redirector messages will consume far more bandwidth than all the rtf postings
to csnm ever did.

It's damn tricky to stop the wheels of progress.

|> The point?  Put sounds and images on an archive site and post a
|> pointer to the information.  The text in most netnews posting is
|> barely worth the "paper" it's printed on, and that "paper" has the
|> lovely property that when you put images on it, they are worth ten
|> thousand words.  Quite literally.  If the information isn't worth
|> your time to put on an archive, then it's not worth the rest of us
|> paying to get it.
I can recall what it's like to not have FTP access. Reading the same flip
answer you give used to really piss me off. As big as the Internet is,
Usenet is far larger. Archive sites, even if they have e-mail gateways, are
not the answer. I think the answer is in the $2 billion about to be spent on
the Internet. When everyone can make a local phone call to gain access to 
the Internet, then archive sites will be the answer. Until then, why deny
the FTP-less a few meager table scraps?

Scotty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: NeXTStation Color SIMM Slots
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.073918.7706@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.015932.9095@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
> (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> 
> >  32 MB total for a NeXTcube Turbo?  How pathetic!  This Turbo
> >  "upgrade" seems increasingly dubious to me, even leaving out
> >  the fact that they have abandoned the OD hardware drivers.
> 
> You can put 132 megs in it.  Why are you always so negative?

Very clever: if I say, "I'm not", then in fact I support
your statement.  I am, however, not always so negative.

I will continue to point out problems concerned with the
NeXT as I see them, as will others posters.

For now, I'll stick with waiting to see your clever
explaination about what combination of SIMMS makes 132
MB. 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Subject: Mission critical apps
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:22:51 GMT

Steve jobs and NeXT in general use the phrase "Mission Critical App" a lot as
they see it as there main advantage

I always have problems with deciding quite what this phrase actually means...
any one got a good example eplanation and/or examples...preferably ones that
don't include the financial sector and or DTP.

thanks

john.
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