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From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: Maybe the Night Owl should run earlier...
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:51:09 CST

In article <JR.93Jan8092033@gilligan.ksr.com> jr@ksr.com (John Robinson) writes:
>The `News of the Weird' column:
>
> A Navy Department employee newsletter reported in July that Bea Perry, a
> secretary with a Navy unit in Washington, D.C., commutes to work daily
> from her home in Trenton, N.J. -- 171 miles away.  She hits the road at
> 2:30 a.m. to make it to her desk by 6:30.  She has been making the same
> commute, for a variety of federal agencies in Washington, for 25 years.
>
>Trenton must be some great town!
>--
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 I wonder what time she get home! In time to go back to work? Must be a
good paying job also! The fares can't be cheap.

Randy Lambertus               Cray Research, Region 4            rl@uk.cray.com
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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: CSX GP30 sighted
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:17:44 GMT


I can't comment on this specific unit, but GP-30s are not
yet extinct on the CSX in Virginia.  I occasionally see one
in Lynchburg or at my home in Charlottesville.  However,
their time is limited.  Many of them have been rebuilt into
road slugs (no prime mover, lots of concrete for weight, a
huge fuel tank and most of the fans and louvers plated over).
They are semi-permanently coupled to another unit, usually
a GP-40ish type.

--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: electric train heat
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 16:11:44

In article <sjones.726345266@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

    In <1if7hrINN6lp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory K. Ramsey) writes:
    
    >The obvious method would be a electric boiler, but is that the
    >correct or universal one?
    
    I think it is the right one with the bipolars; I know it is the method
    used with the two Little Joes used in passenger service (in addition
    to different gearing).  That doesn't mean it was always sufficient,
    however.  The Woods' book on Milwaukee (Milwaukee Road West) has
    several shots of auxiliary heater cars working behind Little Joes.

I know the New Haven used oil-fired boilers in its passenger locos - I don't
think most RR electric distribution systems are up to heating enough steam
for a long train while getting it up a grade.
    
    And for that matter, how do you think diesels generated steam for the
    heating system?

Oil-fired boiler.

James B. VanBokkelen		2 High St., North Andover, MA  01845
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (508) 685-4000  fax: (508) 794-4488
From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Electric Train Sparking
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:42:32 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

On the Southern Region the Introduction of the Gatwick Express trains
from Victoria to Gatwick brought severe arcing problems. The Class 73
locomotives that were being used were prone to very bad arcing, and
quite often, very bad arcing would set fire to oil on the bogie and
cause a bogie fire. 
Certain members of the class were then modified with protector plates
near to the pick up shoe to protect the rest of the bogie from the
Arcs. You will note that certain members of the Class have been
renumbered and are dedicated to Gatwick Express duties. All of these
locomotives have the modification done!!

---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: When is a diesel not?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  4 JAN 93 13:01:43    

When is a diesel? [1]

Most RRs use diesel engines, to run the alternators(generators) which run
the traction motors which....

But several in the USA have been experimenting with alternate fuels.  The
articles I have seen, to date, had not been clear as to whether these
conversions were, in fact "diesels", or whether spark ignition had been added.

Nov '92 Railway Gazette International has an article (by William D Midleton!)
summarizing the impacts of emission requirements on US RRs.  Use of special
fuels, tinkering with the injection timing, etc are being looked at.  Various
gaseous fuels, tho, have puzzled me.

	BN started with LNG, ignition unspecified.
	Now working with Liquified Methane Gas (LMG), dual fuel, start on
	diesel oil, run on LMG, 3,000 KM range.
	Also using LNG, with a tender between two comverted SD40-2's, between
	"Montana" and Superior, WI.

	UP is starting testing with SD60M conversions, runnable on LNG, or
	diesel, or both, without a spark plug.  Small amounts of diesel may be
	required at LOW RPM.  Also, testing is to be done on converted
	Dash 8-40Cs.  (no details on ignition).

	Morrison-Knudsen is converting a GP38 to LNG only, for "urban shunting",
	this WILL use spark ignition.

	SCRRA is lookign at LNG use in "F59PH"s.

In passing they discuss electrification.  Looking at the LA Area, they identify
1300 odd KM of line, which would cost $4.6 billion (US) plus $1.5 billion for
electric locos to run it.  AAR research indicates that electric power is bought
for 8 cents/kWHr, but can be generated on the loco for 4 cents/KWHr.  (I sez
the do not make it plain of the 4c/KWHr is fo ra _clean_ diesel...).

[1]
So, what makles a diesel a diesel?  Compression Ignition.  Originally intended
to increase thermal efficiency, compressions high enough to be "self igniting"
also were found to be more reliable than spark ignition.  It is ironic, in view
of developments, to note the Dr Rudolf Diesel was funded by the German COAL
industry.  They wanted an alternative to the Otto (spark igntiion) engine,
running off city/illuminating gas, that was cutting into coal sales for
stationary power.  Dr Diesel built them one, running on powdered coal.

thanks
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Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
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From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: European Air Deregulation
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:28:01 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Dik T. Winter <dik@cwi.nl> writes:

	If the airlines go on with this most will go belly-up, just as
	many US airlines did.

The reasons for the US airline industry's record losses are complicated
but have much more to do with empty x-country flights than with full
short-range "shuttle" type flights.  Short-range ("commuter") airlines
are doing well, as are the various shuttle-type services; these are the
ones that will compete most heavily with rail.

/jordan
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Summary: turning loops
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:54:39 GMT


The USGS maps for Donner Pass clearly show turning loops on either
side of the pass -- for rotaries and flangers. 

(Well, you need a whole set of sheets to get all the Donner Pass
trackage.)

-- Ernest

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From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:40:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Grade Separations (was Re: CalTrain scheduling musings)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

Bruce Nordman writes:

> This brings up something I've long wondered about, which is how
> car roads are put under rail roads when the railroad is under
> heavy use.  (Building an overpass over a railroad seems obvious
> enough).

As you can imagine, the circumstances lead to several solutions.  If
it involves double track, the bridge is usually built half at a
time.  If this is not possible, I have seen a temporary bridge built
on the surface spanning the entire project.  Subsequently the real
structure is built beneath without interference from overhead
traffic.  Another method is to build a shoofly around the project.
The least aesthetically pleasing is to build the overpass next to
the current alignment and to, forever after, have a kink in the ROW
after completion.  Highways often do this on interchanges.

In Zurich Switzerland the Limat bridge, the busiest six lane bridge
with street railway that clears the river by about six feet was
replaced with no loss in traffic hours other than in the wee hours.
A new bridge was built adjacent to the old one and they were
exchanged after midnight one day.  Similarly the high bridge at
Pians on the Arlberg rail line in Austria was replaced with a
minimal closure.  This ~400 meter long single span bridge is about
100 meters above the valley was also exchanged in a quick switch on
this heavily traveled single track line.

I am sure there are many examples of such construction marvels
around.  I find the double-tracking of the BLS Lotschberg line in
the Alps between Spiez (~Interlaken) to Brig at the entrance to the
Simplon tunnel a spectacular feat.  This line is glued to the
granite walls of the Rhone valley more than a thousand feet up on
masonry arch bridges and tunnels.  Most of the tunnels were built
with double track ceilings but the "other" track was never bored
out.  This made for a lot of tunneling work with traffic on the
other track.  Most longer tunnels were built double track in the
early days to accommodate smoke even on single track lines.  The
Arlberg tunnel, that is double track but served by single track,
comes to mind in particular.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Central power on the Wheeling?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:43:40 GMT


According to the December 1992 issue of Trains, the units in WC paint
you saw should be from the Oxford group which is probably leasing them
to the W&LE. At least that's what I've been told.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn)
Subject: Re: info on book for paint schemes
Originator: stevray@sol.stsci.edu
Keywords: paint schemes
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:02:27 GMT


In article <930105135008@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> is there a bok out there that details the paint schemes used by various
|> roads over the years? i realize thatthis can be a swamp with all the
|> variation that has gone on, and i am not interested in all that information,
|> just a basic idea of what all the standard paint schemes in use for the last
|> 20 or 30 years has been. discussion of how the  scheme was adapted for hood
|> vs cowl untils would be enlightening, as would information about adaptations
|> for B units andsmall switchers.
|> 
|> 
|> much thanx
|> 
|> stev knowles

There is probably a separate book for each major road.  I have such a book at
home (will bring the publication data in tomorrow) that is specific to
Canadian Pacific/CPRail.  It shows examples of all of the paint schemes that
have been used on all of the deisels that CP has used since it began buying
S2s in 1944.

Don Stevens-Rayburn
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Maybe the Night Owl should run earlier...
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:20:33 EST
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA

The `News of the Weird' column:

 A Navy Department employee newsletter reported in July that Bea Perry, a
 secretary with a Navy unit in Washington, D.C., commutes to work daily
 from her home in Trenton, N.J. -- 171 miles away.  She hits the road at
 2:30 a.m. to make it to her desk by 6:30.  She has been making the same
 commute, for a variety of federal agencies in Washington, for 25 years.

Trenton must be some great town!
--
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: RRT - glitch w/stations
Summary: Going into taken-over stations bug maybe?
Keywords: Railroad Tycoon bug
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:43:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Well, I'm glad to see that there are other RRT addicts :-)

I found another 'feature' with the Atari version last night.....

I kicked out the competition from a major city (Seattle) by a rate
war. I wanted to come in from the north (I had already come in from
the south), but it wouldn't let me. I got the "Can't cross other RR"
message. So, like an idiot, I tried to remove the station and rebuild.
NOT!! I could double-track into it, but couldn't remove the station,
nor remove the track leading into it. Needless to say, it screwed up
my efficiency average (>10 passenger and mail cars waiting...). Any
ideas on how to make this work?

Another aside, I had the game running when the Pizza Hut delivery person
came by with pizza. His first comment in the door was "Aha! Another
Railroad Tycoon addict!" My wife about fell over...... he had it as well.

Brad
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: X2000 in Corridor service - February
Keywords: tilt train
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:07:45 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Danny Lieberman writes:

>Also:  I saw what LOOKED like the X2000 as we headed North out of 30th
>St Station.  Rider next to me said he had seen 'it' also in Philly
>over 6 months ago.  Now, we know that the demo train thats been running
>arrived in late Nov.  If there really was an ABB X2000 here earlier,
>was it spotted by some net.readers?

I saw it on Nov.  6 at Union Station as I was taking the Metro down to the
Kennedy Center at night.  It was sitting all alone in the platforms and was
not in anything one would call an Amtrak paint scheme (I seem to recall
white with green and pale blue stripes, but this may be incorrect).

-- 
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                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
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From: fwk@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (f.w.kerfoot..iii)
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 equalization?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:50:59 GMT

From article <1993Jan10.215835.14145@mel.dit.csiro.au>, by ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh):
> In article <1993Jan8.002925.501@mel.dit.csiro.au> ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh) writes:
>>In article <4150010@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> spangler@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bill Spangler) writes:
>>>Did 0-6-0 engines generally have 3-point equalization?   If so, which drivers
>>>were generally paired, and how were the linkages run side-to-side?
>>
> 
> An 0-6-0 would have one pair of axles compensated and the remaining axle free.
> (At least according to the British book.) If a leading bogie was fitted
> (a 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0) would have the leading coupled axle compensated with
> the bogie and the trailing pair of coupled axles compensated.

In American practice, a 2 wheel leading truck was typically equalized
with the leading pair of drivers, but a 4 wheel leading truck was
typically connected (with a pivot) directly to the frame. There were
exceptions, such as the Pennsylvania RR E class Atlantics, which used
a 4 wheel leading truck equalized with the leading drivers. Of course
the 4 wheel leading truck itself had separate equalization and 
springing for its 4 wheels.

Frank Kerfoot
fwk@hogpa.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Report on exhibition of prototype NYC Subway trains
From: Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 14:06:44 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

There's a booklet called "Tomorrow's Train Today" put out by the TA about
these test trains (I got my copy at the Transit Museum, but I'm sure it's
available from the TA directly).  It says that both trains are prototypes
and will be run in service to see how the design and mechanical components
perform, and then the next fleet will be based on the results from these
tests.  (I suppose they plan to have these booklets on the trains too; they
say they want questions, suggestions and comments to: NYC Transit Authority,
Marketing Research and Analysis, 130 Livingston St., Room 9012a, Brooklyn,
NY  11201.)
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Dates of structures (was: Grade Separations)
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:37:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

>James VanBokkelen:
>> My belief that the grade separation dates from the '20s is based on
>> the bridge.  It shows no signs of significant stregthening, and it
>> was capable of carrying R1 4-8-2s, which implies that it was built
>> when engines that large loomed on the horizon ...

As someone else said, this isn't a good theory.  There are very few bridges on
the ex-B&O between Harper's Ferry and Balto.  that are that young; a
substantial number are 150 years old or more, including the famous Thomas
Viaduct.  Even the steel bridges are generally pre-'20s or partly so.

-- 
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                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: Railroad Tycoon computer game - what is it?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:18:16 GMT

In article <C0IKtH.76I@specialix.com> jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:
>rbs@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith) writes:
>
>
>>I believe Railroad Tycoon is only availble for a PC and looks best
>>with VGA graphics.  It also supports AdLib (or SoundBlaster) or Roland
>>sound cards.  A mouse makes it much easier to manipulate the signals
>>and trains.  It is produced by Microprose Software and should be
>>fairly readily available (I got mine mail-order).
>
>It is also available for the Amiga, and possibly for the Mac.


Definitely for the Mac.  The Mac graphics and sound are superior than the
PC (I've played both).

The game is 24 hours = 2 years, and it really is a fun game.  Don't buy it
if you have any major activities planned within the next few weeks...
[RICHR]
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:34:26 GMT

In <1if7hrINN6lp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory K. Ramsey) writes:


>I'm sitting here looking at a picture of a Milwaukee Road
>"Bipolar Electric" pulling the Olympian through some very cold
>looking weather on my new calendar (probably a lot of you are
>also), and I was wondering how electrics made steam for heating
>in the days before HEP.

>The obvious method would be a electric boiler, but is that the
>correct or universal one?

I think it is the right one with the bipolars; I know it is the method
used with the two Little Joes used in passenger service (in addition
to different gearing).  That doesn't mean it was always sufficient,
however.  The Woods' book on Milwaukee (Milwaukee Road West) has
several shots of auxiliary heater cars working behind Little Joes.

And for that matter, how do you think diesels generated steam for the
heating system?

From: Dan.&.Rex@f4016.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Dan & Rex)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Railfan Magazines (more)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 19:09:51 -0600

Re: Looking for Rail Magazines
By: M00209 #0 @1:282/31 FIDOnet     
 
> >I'm looking for magazines for and about railfaning....
> >Can anybody E-mail or post a suggestion or two?
> >
> >Thanks E-Mail organic@mgr.hjf.org

You may want to check out Pacific Rail News magazine.  It tends to have
more indepth and current Railroad information compared to the others...

Pacific Rail News
Published Monthly by Interurban Press.
P.O. Box 6128, Glendale, California 91225.

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