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From: MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Masuda)
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Subject: Re: Pour me another cup of coffee
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:21:18 GMT
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About this stuff on who should thank who on the Orb and Floyd and stuff...

I totally believed that the Beatles and Floyd were the absolute
pioneers of electronic wizardry in the studio, until the day I
came across Frank Zappa's _Absolutely Free_ (1966) and _We're Only In It For
The Money_ (1967) albums.

Too much...

Also, nobody brought up the Monkees' Moog stuff off of _Pisces Aquarius
Capricorn and Jones, Ltd_ (1967) album.  One of the first...
I have to admit I like this album, despite the fact that it's by the
most contrived bands of the sixties.  "Daily Nightly" and "Star Collector"
are great tunes.
The Beatles didn't use synths until Abbey Road.

Mike Masuda
From: cbenson@cs.strath.ac.uk (Calum F Benson CS90)
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Date: 1 Oct 92 11:26:33 GMT
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In article <ALLMUSIC%92093001343471@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Masuda) writes:
>
>If you think about it, without electronic music, we would be
>                 [bits deleted]

>We would also be listening to the avant garde post-impressionistic
>compositions on standard orchestra instruments.
>At the concert hall.

	But if there was no electronic music, all the avant garde post-
impressionistic music would have been written for standard orchestra 
instruments, so it would sound fine to all concerned. I can see that this
may be partly your point, but you have said it as if going to a concert
hall to listen to music is to be frowned upon.

>No, there would be no LPs, or amplifiers.
>There would not be crystal clear recordings of classical compositions
>There would be no tape recording.
>There would be no radio.

	I can't agree there. Certainly, none of these would exist without
_electronics_, but surely they have nothing to do with electronic music
as such?

>There would be no synchronized light shows, no theramins, no
>distortion/feedback, no synthesizers, no samplers, no drum machines,
>no sequencers, no video games with music--none of these.

	No drum machines ? Thank God !

>
>True, there is a lot of crappy technopop music out there, but if you
>include the pioneers like Wendy Carlos, Laurie Anderson, Vangelis,
>Isao Tomita, Kitaro, David Byrne, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, etc.,
>it's hard to say that "electronic music" is an oxymoron.

	Yes, I think I'd go along with that. I dabble in electronic music
myself, but I always try to include some acoustic instruments along the way.
I always feel that people are going to think "that's all done on a computer"
if there's not some guitar bits in it to let people know I really have
put in the practice, and I really can play an instrument or two!


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From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>

What's in a name?  Well, here are some interesting Spanish heavymetalers, prima
rily from the Basque region, the Little Inquisitor's specialty: Scar, (etc), Co
ck, Parabellum, Vomit, Barricade, (etc), Scurvy, Cut (?), (etc)...Scallop, Comm
ando, and my favorite name: The Relapsers or Recidivists.  Have fun.
                                                                    Renato
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From:         "(JUAN J. CARMONA)" <jcarmona@DIANA.CAIR.DU.EDU>
Subject:      RE:MetalicosHeavies Espanoles
por grupos vascos: Cicatriz, RIP, La polla, Parabellum, Vomito, Barricada,
Tijuana in Blue, Eskorbuto, Kortatu, Distorsion, Skalope, MCD, Comando
(de Madrid) etc Hay un grupo de Sevilla que ha sido la revelacion
este ultimo anho y que son lo maximo : Los Reincidentes.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:58:04 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Femalr Blues SIngers

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:48:25 CDT Leonard said:
>I'm trying to think of some white female blues singers, so i can prove
>myself wrong since i got such a reaction. The only two i can think of
>is Bonnie Raitt & Janis, i knoiw i'm missing some so please post your
>favorite white female blues singers...thanks L.W.

Lou Ann Barton.


David
From: RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET (Paul Hosken)
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Date: 6 Oct 92 15:05:40 GMT
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Remember Fleetwood Mac in the good ol' days with Peter Green? As far
as I know this was the nearest that a white band have come to playing
true blues.

Paul
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: _Ambient Genocide_

>From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
>Subject: _Ambient Genocide_

        I feel very guilty for leaving poor John thrashing :) in the water
of the river of questions about Totentanz and M.A.D.... am I not the distri-
butor of this music, after all? :)

He says:

>I can understand you being bothered by our using "genocide" in the
>title of our tape.  And I won't take the easy way out by saying the
>title was Rick's idea. 8-)  But it was and he deserves the credit/blame.
>Personally, I think it was a brilliant stroke.  It works on two levels.

        After repeated listenings, I have my own "third level" which John
may not agree with: the very dense and gloomy atmosphere of the music would
make it perfect as a soundtrack for movies meaning to show us the social/
ambiental/historical degradation of our times. I mean, guitars sound more
like sirens wailing than like guitars, percussion loops are there to remind
me that time pushes onward and there is no way out, in a sense, analogue
synth sounds seem to freeze the legs (or the fall in mid-flight, if you
prefer) [boy, feeling poetic to-day! :)].
        And yet I haven't paid much attention to the title: disturbing,
indeed, but fitting the overall atmoshpere.
        Since this is a chance to plug TNR's works, I see a sort of paral-
lel with *our* title "The Chessboard". Quite innocent, if you think. But
the cover, a simple chessboard with a metal ball reflecting light, is not
joyful. And, as some of you know :), "the chessboard is red". It *has* a mea-
ning... possibly hidden, but it has one. Only after some spins one may consi-
der that there *is* a thread between the cover and the lyrics of the song.
And, in turn, only at that point the song becomes really clear. And the title
is not trivial at all. (Breath.)

>(I prefer Hawkwind for my ambience, thank you.)  We like to think that
>someone seeking "ambient" music would find Mutually Assured Destruction
>to be the equivalent of genocide.  So to those who would ask, "Do you
>play ambient music?", we would answer, "Oh yes, ambient genocide."

        Oh, that's one of well-known John's puns (plug, plug!). More or
less like Totentanz's "On Beyond Music", renowned as "Chamber music".
Which chamber? Torture chamber, of course. The basic idea is the same.
Having to choose between "Ambient Genocide" and Enya, I'd go for the
first anyway. I like Enya. But M.A.D. definitely tell me more :).

        Ciao, Marco (almost drunk after typing 10^34 characters today...)
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:43:58 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: xtc

>From:         woj <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
>
>count me in amongst the _skylarking_ and _big express_ fans too.

I'm a big fan of 'skylarking' as well. but my altime fave xtc record
is 'mummer'. but then again, i'm the one who thinks that 'king of america'
is elvis costello's best record yet.

picked up a great cd yesterday, an accoustic "everything but the girl"
has some great covers on it, like "time after time" and "downtown train"
(d.t is a rod stewert song, yes?)  and a great live version of "fascination"
which is one of my all time favorite EBG tunes.  Also a live version of
"apron strings".  Nice quiet record. I highly recommend it.

was looking for the whole sinnead oconnor record...could only find
extended singles...is it not out yet??  I don't like the cut that
is on the radio now..."success has made a failure of our home".  I like
the lyrics and the tune, but i  really could do without all those
damn instruments. I think the only think that is missing in that
song is a harmonica. sheesh. break it down, babe! it would be a great
melancholy oconnor-esque work if not for all that orchestration.

jcs
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From:         Just say no to F*m*ly V*l**s <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      A bunch of has-beens

   Seen on ESPN while flipping channels with the remote last night:

      "Charlton Heston Celebrity Shoot" -- I thought this sounded like a
great idea, except they didn't let contestants shoot either at Charlton or
at their favorite celebrities.  They missed their chance for a real winner
of a show ... I sure would have watched it.


   OMC -- The New Riders of the Purple Sage are going to be coming to town
later this year.  Another band who evidently doesn't know when it's time to
hang 'em up.  Still, I wonder who is in their lineup.

   OMC2 -- Speaking of groups who should have given up a long time ago --
Foghat is also going to be coming to Austin.  I guess they're still riding
the wave of success from the hit they had in 1972.


      bye,
      cmv (chuck "but, i *need* that assault rifle for deer hunting" heston)
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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      dolphy

  As luck would have it, I just stumbled across (and bought) an Eric Dolphy
CD:  "Eric Dolphy & Booker Little Remembered Live at Sweet Basil", with
Mal Waldron, Richard Davis, Eddie Blackwell, Donald Harrison, and
Terence Blanchard.   Ah, Bullshit!  I just opened the box, and it's not
*by* Dolphy and Little, it's *about* them.  Harrison and Blanchard play
sax and trumpet with Dolphy's original rhythm section, recorded in 1986
at Sweet Basil.  Bastards.  It's got this great cover of 60's vintage Dolphy
playing at Sweet Basil, just to pull in suckers like me.  Who are Harrison
and Blanchard?  Oh well, the other 3 are bound to be hot.  I hope at least
the recording quality will be better than a 25 year old version.

  ProJazz label, btw.  Be forewarned.

Russ
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From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Blue Man Group

Carol's post about these guys sounded very interesting. Dave Hall wailed
at missing them. Anyone have any more detailed desciption of this group
and the type of music they do?  Thanks in advance.

...interest piqued.....
                        wck
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: List starting made easy -- hah!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 05:52:31 GMT
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In a previous article, watson@HG.ULETH.CA (Maid in Bedlam) says:

>Speaking of lists, there must be a Richard Thompson list out there somewhere,
>no??  If not... I'm seriously considering starting one up -- the systems guys
>around here can be prodded into damn near anything I request. ;)  Any caveat
>emptor's, n.n., oh King of the Holdsworth list?

  Just that there are more half-functional mailers than you'd ever
think were possible. Some of them do truly bizarre things, too, like
sending *you* the mail from the mailer daemon at one of your subscribers
sites, saying "there's no such node as <insert your node here>" -- and
yet the mail gets to you *anyway*. I haven't figured that one out yet.
Then again, Atavachron is distributed in  the most bizarre fashion known
to netkind, from Bitnet with an Internet address. And we're not even 
really on the Internet. Yet. It's a mess, but it's fun.
  Hey, woj is back...ask him about runnin' a list -- he's the fegmaniax
meisterman. Btw, woj, does that refer to the fact that Hitchcock is a big
fan of Dr. Fegg's Nasty Book Of Knowledge?  ;)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Announcement
              1 Oct 1992 08:23:02 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:23:02 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:
>Since its all over.  The CMA awards is what I was talking about.  I hope that
>all turned in to see Acky Breaky Heart get Single of the Year.
MY THOUGHTS:
Please don't break my acky breaky ear
I just don't think you understand
If i hear another syrupy country song
I think it's gonna nauseate this man
............................
keep in mind that this is a cheap attempt at humour if the music moves you
be moved.......L."not a poet" W.
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>

>I particularly like the keyboards on this one.  And wasn't there a character in
> one of the Marx Brothers' films named Mr/Mrs. Quackenbush?
>

In "A Day At The Races" (1937), Groucho plays Dr Hugo Z. Hackenbush,
veterinarian-at-large.

OMC: Old '60s and '70s acts never die, they just go to Caesars Tahoe.

David

"I'm going to see Dr Hackenbush! Why, I didn't know there was a thing
 the matter with me until I met him!"

                     - Margaret Dumont
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Still my ignorance shows its face...

Russ says:

>>        Re the last Gabriel's album, the song "Steam" contains a sentence like
   :
>>"You know your ladder from your snake"
>
>Odd. Just today I heard a wordsmith (Richard Ledderer) on NH public radio
>mention this British/English expression today.  A "ladder in your snake"
>means a run in your (nylon) stocking.  Perhaps PG is mixing the board game
>with the British expression.

        Admittedly, I had thought about a sort of sexual image. But the "sna-
kes and ladders" (which I thought about, too) were giving me the chance to
avoid having Jenna and Carol calling me dirty :) :)...
        Thanks for the explanation, anyway.

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:43:25 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: orb

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:22:06 +0000 OUT, OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT... sai
>Rick says:
>
>>Can I interest you in a tape of rhinos regurgitating?
Marco:
>Gosh Rick, my brother! I didn't know you were into Adrian Belew too! X-) X-)
Rick:
I am, Marco, but this tape is of actual rhinos -- after they've listened to
       Adrian Belew.
Ciao, Rick
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:35:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject: Re: Fads Come and Go

>In a previous article, PATS@BROWNVM.BITNET ("L. Ray Pute") says:
>
>>There is one fad I'm waiting for to return. Are any of the early KISS
>>records being reissued on CD? Who can deny the appeal of that half-
>
>  Where ya been, PATS?  Those have been on CD forever. A friend of mine
>even bought _Alive!_ a few years back... really shows you how good the
>vinyl covered up inferior recording techniques of the era. But hey, this
>was *loud* rock and roll... I'm sure they weren't too worried about the
>fidelity. Or anything else except keeping greasepaint off their leather.
>  Yeah, I used to be a big Kiss fan... I guess this belonged in Renato's
>confessional thread, huh?
>
>  Jeff ("n.n.")

Jeez, n.n., you liked Kiss?, my whole image of you is now blown. ;-)

Yes, I have seen practically every Kiss album on CD. If for some reason, you
want a lot of them, try the Columbia House CD Club, they have all the old ones
available.

Seeya,
Gary, a little behind on my mail
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: HaShana Tova
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:34:56 GMT

Speaking of Xenakis, I ordered the Arditti box, containing all his
string quartets and trios.  I have only heard one of them, Tetras, on
one of Arditti's albums.

It has ferocious intensity.  They could go to the Knitting Factory and
kill.

I can't wait until it comes in the mail.  Christmas don't be late.

BTW MBloom, have you heard Xenakis' Plelades?  It is a percussion
piece.


Jeff
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:39:22 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Longest Song Title

Well these titles are long and silly... which, coincidentally, is how I like my
men...  ;)

Courtesy of Dr. Demento:

"How Could You Believe Me When I Said I Love You When You Know That I've Been
 A Liar All My Life"

"I've Got Those Wake Up Seven Thirty, Wash Your Ears They're Dirty, Eat Your
Eggs and Oatmeal Rush to School Blues"

"Would You Rather Be A Colonel With An Eagle On Your Shoulder Or A Private With
 A Chicken On Your Knee?"

- Carol

OMC:  Saw Garnet Rogers (brother of Stan) perform last night... he was
wonderful -- even the hockey player commented on his fluid guitar playing (he
was forced to take me since I sat through that blasted hockey game the other
night).  :)
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Mail order CD's

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:13:12 EDT Michelle May said:
>
>Can you guys get offa this blues thing?  Or take it over to private e-mail?

Ditto!

>New thread:
>Can someone tell me if it's worth subscribing to the Columbia CD club?  You
>know, the one where you buy 10 CD's for a penny?  I know you have to buy more
>within a certain time frame; overall, is it worth it?  The CD prices run
>between $11 and $15--I'd kind of like the convenience of ordering by mail. . .

If you're careful, this is not too bad a deal. It's even better if you can
get friends to join, as they give you a couple of CD's for signing them up.
You can add $2-3 to each disc for shipping & tax & 'handling', whatever that
is. So figure on about $18 for a new disc, and take that into account with
the 8 or so discs you get at startup. They do run sales now & then, especially
on older stuff - prices as low as $7. And they also give you 1/2 price coupons
after you complete your initial purchase requirement. Overall, it probably
comes down to whether you can keep it organized and take advantage of it
without getting stuck with the liabilities (read: don't procrastinate and let
them send you CD's automatically cause you didn't say not to). The catalog is
not too great for jazz, so so for classical, and ok for rock. It's heavily
weighted to what sells.

There's also the BMG CD club, which runs even better sales (like buy 2 at
1/2 price, get 1 free - works out to about $7.50/CD), but their catalog is
*really* skimpy usually.

There are other m/o vendors, and they don't use the 'club' setup, have cheaper
above-board prices, and probably better service. Noteworthy Music has pretty
good prices and decent selection. (I just posted about them on JAZZ-L, did you
see that? Lemme know if you need to see the info.)

Didja have fun with the HOT! NEW! CAR! this weekend? :-)

Paul
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Perfumed ambience
              "Michael H. Bloom" at Sep 30, 92 2:34 pm

> I hope everyone
> turns in to watch

I personally am going to turn into a clock

>
> McIntyre's absolutely right: ambience sucks. My long term goal for the Urbans
> is to get into more structured compositions--

will you have to change the band's name to Urban Ambience Sucks at that time?

g
> the conventional staves and dots. One thing I'd like to see happen is pieces
> that start out completely composed, then one player gets to play free (as in
[....]

> would be to try to preserve the illusion of it being composed music as long a
s
> possible

The ideas sound good--but I can't help but be CURIOUS: just what is the basis
of your fascination/preoccupation/insistence on having your band's stuff be
ever more COMPOSED?  is this some general principle (of yours) that composed
work is... more INTERESTING than totally improvised work?  or just a personal
preference?  or personal curiosity to see what YOU can do with composition?
I think the borderline between composed and improvised is very .... um,
something or other....  do you think that if your band stays totally improvised
it won't go anywhere?  does "improvised" = "ambient" in your vocab?  well, I
can't seem to ask quite the right question, but perhaps you will come up with
an answer...  why this fixation on COMPOSITION?   do you think improv has some
kind of built-in limitations or what?  or doesn't it interest you any longer?
Are you trying to create some new hybrid of composition/improv?

Sonia
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From:         "Ferguson, Kip" <KMQJ@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!

Though I'm new to AllMusic I'm not new to the music world.
When discussing prominent vocal artistsleast we forget the
godfather of wailing, Robert Plant.  Though "an old man" he still
manages to impress with his range.

Kip "Glad to Aboard" Ferguson
Marist College
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