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From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Keywords: auto,radar
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:57:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.154931.1252@news.nd.edu> fdeck@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (francis deck) writes:
>
>Has anybody considered STEALTH TECHNOLOGY for cars?  I know
>the Corvette is made of plastic... Do 'Vette owners get
>pulled over by radar cops?
>
>f. deck

	New Corevettes do indeed have fiberglass bodies, but there is
still a lot of metal in the thing:  The engine (enough metal for ya?) for
one!  But the things that the radar sees are the grille, the headlights, 
and any metal trim. 
	Stealth technology wouldn't work for cars unless the car was
designed to be a stealth car.  Think of the stealth bomber:  They didn't 
just take an B-52 and wrap some stuff around it, they had to design the
body to be radar evading.
	I've seen ads for 'stealth nose-bras'.  They don't work.  They
may cover up the very tip of your car, but what about the rest?  Also
you can't very well cover up the grille and expect the engine not to 
overheat.

-Jason
--
"One day I'll get what's mine through the persistence of time"
						    -Anthrax 'Time'
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From: uk09365@nx21.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: Choosing a radar detector
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:07:34 GMT
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In article <mbrown.702664603@eugene> mbrown@convex.com (Mark Brown)  
writes:
> The city of Dallas recently deployed two laser speed guns. Enjoy your
> radar detectors while you can!

I'd suggest a review of Car&Drivers April (?) article on laser speed  
detection.  I wouldn't get too scared about this technology, yet.  

RIK
From: jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:12:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr16.151246.1063
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr14.193438.15418@ms.uky.edu> uk09365@nx08.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten) writes:

>Forgive my ignorance; but I thought that radar speed measurement worked on  
>the principle of measuring the doppler effect by sending and RECEIVING a  
>microwave (radar) signal to bounce off the target vehicle.  This being the  
>case a spread-spectrum radar gun would have to be able to receive  
>frequencies which would be switched unpredictably "hundreds or thousands  
>of times per seconds."  If the radar gun can be built to do this, why  
>can't a radar detector be built to do this?  Please explain this to me  
>better.

OK, look at it this way - if you looked at which frequencies this radar
gun was putting out, it would look random.  That doesn't mean that the
radar gun doesn't know which frequencies it is sending before it sends 
them.  The gun keeps track of what it has sent out, and then looks for
those frequencies coming back from the object the signal reflected off of.
Hundreds of thousands of times per second would probably be a bit unrealistic.
That doesn't mean it can't be done, but it would be very expensive to design
a sweeping radar gun that would change frequencies at that rate and still be 
reliable.  A slower gun would probably fool radar detectors just as well,
though.

If these guns were to use some sort of pattern in determining which frequencies
it sends, then a detector could look out for this pattern.  If the signal
was truly random, then it would be a tough call.  Remember, though, that
the gun still has to stay within the specified range of allowable frequencies.

What is it with all these new speed-enforcement toys lately, anyway?
They must be getting bored with the old stuff! :)

      
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From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Best Roads in NE?
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 20:28:27 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.170614.6332@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
writes:
>Route 127 along the coast into Gloucester and Rockport.  This road is
>excellent for foliage when in season, and has almost no traffic if you
>pick the right time.

Thanks for the advice!  Just out of curiosity, what have you found to be the
"best time?"

- Peter
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Rey Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:35:31 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

*>>> It seems to me there has always been a large number of drivers
     who don't have a clue. It seems to me there will always be.
     Watch your ass and don't ever expect them to learn what others
     just know. It's the law of the jungle. Take care and get there.

							   Bigfoot.

-- 
  ___________________________________________________________________  
|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxxgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
|| Melbourne,Australia 3000   | Tel: +61 3 663 3663		     ||
||       If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em God was drunk.       ||
||___________________________________________________________________||

			
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From: daveg@prowler.clearpoint.com (Dave Goldblatt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,sci.electronics,rec.autos
Subject: Cincinnati Microwave/Valentine new products (RADAR/LIDAR)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:47:33 GMT
Reply-To: daveg@prowler.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748


Ok, here's a little info I received from both Valentine Research and
Cincinnati Microwave:

	Valentine: The Valentine One unit is (supposedly) more sensitive
		on K band than the DSP Escort, and "at least" as
		sensitive on X.  It also will detect Ka and
		the extended Ka used by the Stalker.  It also
		uses a different mix freq. so as not to be
		detected by the VG2 (radar detector-detector).
		It does not have a dark mode, nor any auto-dimming.
		It does have (for another $69) a remote display which
		disables the front panel.  It will only indicate
		front, sides, or rear radar.  They do not have any
		hard testing numbers yet -- "a number of car magazines
		are reviewing it now".

	Cincinnati Microwave: They're not concerned about the Valentine
		One.  Why?  Because their new model will be out around
		June.  It also will detect X, K, Ka, and the Stalker,
		but will not be DSP-based -- the DSP Escort went out
		of production last month.  Estimated cost is around
		$250 or so.  They say it'll be approximately as
		sensitive as the DSP Escort.  Usual CM features,
		plus it will not be detected by the VG2 (they're in
		the process of getting one to verify it).  They also
		told me their Valentine One unit (which they're just
		starting to play with) identified *6* threats at
		a Taco Bell when one of their salesmen had it in his
		car (the CMI rep suggested they were radar-emitting
		burritos).


Also, Cincinnati Microwave does indeed have a LIDAR (laser-gun)
detector, and they will indeed be selling it by the summer.  Estimated
cost is $150.

I've probably forgotten a few things; if I get any more details I'll
pass them along.  CMI put me on a list to get info for the new unit as
soon as it's out (although ads will be in the June, and possibly May
issues of C&D, etc.), and Valentine Research is sending me their
blurbs.

Frankly, I'm more likely to sell my Escort DSP for the new CMI unit,
judging from past experiences with them.  Both companies have a 30-day
money-back guarantee, and CMI recommended trying their units against
anyone else's...

-dg-
--
"The people voted me out of office,    |  Dave Goldblatt [daveg@clearpoint.com]
 and now they must be punished."       |  Subsystems Engineering
                                       |  Clearpoint Research Corporation
              - Ed Koch                |  Hopkinton, MA 01748 - (508) 435-7425
From: jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:48:42 GMT
Organization: The Committee to Bring Back Baseball Doubleheaders

lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com writes:
>How do I know if I should stop if a driver flashes a light (of any color,
>red, blue, white...) at me?  If it is a marked police car, I know I
>should stop.  But what if it is an unmarked car?  How do I know I can
>trust the individual to be a legit police officer?  Am I required to
>stop for unmarked cars (especially at night)?  Lights can be had at any
>K-mart, and there have been some cases of impersonating an officer in
>the news.  I wanna know so that I don't get shot at/accused of eluding
>an officer/etc.

There are many who aspire to become sheriffs in their own minds. In the DC
area recently, motorists have reported being stopped by drivers with light
racks who turn out to be bums. Sometimes, they just fuss at the driver for
going too fast, "pushing" a red light, or whatever, but there was a case
where one of these yahoos ended up in a high-speed chase and cracked up
against a utility pole. Women in particular, travelling alone, seem to be
easy targets.

The DC, MD, and VA police all have said that they recognise the problem,
that they're trying to do something about it, etc etc. They also said
that if a motorist is being stopped by an unmarked cruiser, they would
not hold it against the driver to continue to a well-lit, populated place,
so long as there is no indication of any attempt to get away. Some sort of
acknowledgement, perhaps a hand signal (NOT the one I'm thinking of!  q:-))
might be appropriate, I don't know; the cop might think you're flipping him
off. 

Now if the cruiser is marked, that's a different story.

If you do pull over for a "plain wrapper" and the dude approaches your car,
look for a badge. If you don't see one, get away.

-jc
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From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Best Roads in NE?
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 20:27:07 GMT

In article <25205@nerd.ease.arco.com> ddpbbb@nerd.ease.arco.com (Bob Benson)
writes:
>There are several listed up in that neck of the woods. Don't know how close 
>they are to Boston, but my idea of touring is to get well away from cities
>as fast as possible. I know that's hard up there, but....  ;-)

Ha!  At least we have trees and grass, son!  Better than the land of armadillas
and cactus any day!  ;-)

Thanks for the advice.  I've downloaded it, and have a couple of good leads...


- Peter
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From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (James M. Simpson)
Subject: Re: Prosecutions For Flashing Headlights
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:31:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
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While in college in Kentucky roughly 15 years ago, I had a friend who 
received a ticket for flashing headlights to warn oncoming traffic of a
speed trap. The actual charge was "improper signalling." He fought it, and
got it thrown out because the signalling statute just referred to turn 
signals.

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From: uk09365@nx03.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Prosecutions For Flashing Headlights
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:14:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
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Sometime in the past few years I read of at least one case (in  
Connecticut, I believe) and perhaps others were a motorist was prosecuted  
for interference with police because he flashed his headlights
to warn oncoming cars of a speed trap.

I would be interested in finding out the final disposition of that case  
and any others like it.  Thanks

RIK
From: stecz@hotwheel.Eng.Sun.COM (John Steczkowski [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Choosing a radar detector
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@hotwheel.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotwheel

In article 702664603@eugene, mbrown@convex.com (Mark Brown) writes:
> The city of Dallas recently deployed two laser speed guns. Enjoy your
> radar detectors while you can!


Or else just buy a laser detector when those become available this summer.
An article in Autoweek said that Cincinati Microwave and another company would
be releasing laser detectors this summer.  Another company is going to be
producing a radar detector detector detector.

And the escalation continues.....
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  John Steczkowski                            stecz@pencom.com
        65mph: it's not a good idea, it just the law.
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From: uk09365@nx10.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: Prosecutions For Flashing Headlights
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:59:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
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In article <sysmatt.703438273@aix3090b.uky.edu> sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu  
(James M. Simpson) writes:
> While in college in Kentucky roughly 15 years ago, I had a friend who 
> received a ticket for flashing headlights to warn oncoming traffic of a
> speed trap. The actual charge was "improper signalling." He fought it,  
and
> got it thrown out because the signalling statute just referred to turn 
> signals.

I lived in a small town near Louisville for a while where the local
cops would cite you for "failure to dim" if you flashed your
highbeams to warn of their speedtrap.

However, I was thinking more on the lines of SERIOUS prosecutions.
The guy in Connecticut (?) was facing a multi-thousand dollar fine
and jail time (possibly a felony charge) for "obstructing
justice" or something like that; just because he flashed his lights.

RIK
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From: lpickup@xanadu.btv.ibm.com (Lance Pickup)
Subject: Re: Lasar radar
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:14:31 GMT
Reply-To: lpickup@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Technology Products

In article <1992Apr17.142359.23559@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, jarvis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jarvis Smallfield) writes:
|>                                                           Your detector
|> has the advantage that it gets to detect the lasar at 1/2 the distance
|> without being reflected off of another vehicle.  In other words, your
|> detector has a good chance of "seeing" the beam before the cop "sees" your
|> reflection.

I wouldn't get too excited about an advantage of the time it takes light
to travel the distance between your car and the gun!  :-)

The thing about radar is that you can pick it up far enough in advance
because the cone the radar gun emits is sufficiently big that you can
pick it up even while the cop is nabbing someone way in front of you.
Lasers, on the other hand, even if not focused to a pin-point, simply
aren't going to emit a large enough "cone" to be detected beforehand.
Even if it "illuminated" your entire car at once, that still only gives
you about a car-length's warning.

Of course if the cop has bad aim and totally misses the car he's aiming
at and hits you by chance, then you might have a chance.  But then he
just may just nab you instead! :-)
--
    ...Lance

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From: lenny@bmerh174.BNR.CA (Len DePalma)
Subject: Re: ATTN: Canadians! (re: Radar Detectors)
Reply-To: lenny@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fiber Systems Development
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 20:07:52 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.202051.25086@eff.org>, peterco@eff.org (Peter A.
Cohen) writes:
|> Are there any cities or provinces in Canada where use of a radar detector
|> is illegal?  My fiancee and I are planning on taking a driving trip this
|> summer.

Some traffic laws vary by province in Canada.  In Ontario radar
detectors are illegal, in Nova Scotia they are legal.  Sorry, but
that's the only two provinces I know of for certain - having lived
in both.

While you're here -> right turns on red are legal in Ontario and
Nova Scotia... but not legal in Quebec.

Have fun, it's a beautiful country!

PS - (Just in case, not meant as a flame) You'll also have to leave
     your gun(s) at home... or the Canadian customs will confiscate  
     it as you cross the border.
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INTERNET: lenny@bnr.ca       Any opinions expressed above are mine.
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:41:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <JAK.92Apr16163232@bimini.cs.brown.edu> jak@cs.brown.edu (Jak Kirman) writes:

> In article <Apr.16.15.07.11.1992.26078@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
> >   The *circles* [aka roundabouts, aka rotaries] in NJ are fast becoming
> >   history - thankfully. Seeing as how at least 50% of the folks I've
> >   seen have no clue about how to drive around a circle, this is a
> >   welcome move by the DOT. They are making all circles into either an
> >   overpass/underpass intersection, or they're straightening them out
> >   and putting in traffic signals.
> >   fyi, at all circles still in existence in NJ, everybody has the right
> >   of way when entering and proceeding around a circle, according to a
> >   police officer I spoke to after being in an accident in a circle.

> It seems to me that if people don't know how to deal with roundabouts,
> they should be taught to, rather than removing the roundabouts.

Actually, the problem is that there are too many cars in NJ now, and
circles slow traffic to a crawl or stop. It's more a matter of
removing circles to improve traffic flow. I'm sure when those circles
were constructed, there were less than half the cars on the road than
now. Anyone familiar with the Somerville circle at rush hours can 
testify to the massive traffic jams that happen, even with the traffic
flow signal. 

> It might help if the police here enforced reasonable traffic laws like
> signalling turns and lane changes, not running red lights, etc. instead
> of only enforcing speed limits, but I still think that better drivers
> education and much much stiffer driving tests are what is needed.
>                          Jak Kirman                        jak@cs.brown.edu

Definitely!!!




Mark
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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:35:59 GMT
Distribution: rec.driving
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

Stafford@vax2.winona.msus.edu (J Stafford) writes:
>
>	Unscientific observation:  I've been rear-ended twice in three years,
>both times by single women.  (Once in my car and once on my Harley, the
>second hurt the most.)  And whenever I'm on a city highway, if a late model
>compact passes me going fast, it's almost ALWAYS a woman under 30 driving
>as she were the only one on the road and most often the traffic is headed
>towards a mall.  I'm not being sarcastic or faceious.

Additional data point: My wife (age *6), and the women she works with
go out to lunch each Thursday. Whenever possible she drives. Why? cuz
two of the other three scare the living shit out of her. Fast,
tailgating, one-handed (the other is to play with the radio, light
cigarettes, etc, after all) BAD drivers. Who have been in numerous
accidents (mostly rear-ending other drivers). And since she's 5'11",
and they drive little compact cars, she "gets" to ride up front. I
tell her to brown-bag it. (no smiley)
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                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                     I own two bikes, brand unimportant.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 17:48:51 EST
From: Pars Sewgobind <ADVI8715@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Radar Detectors - Need feedback on what's new

Hi,
   I used to own a Cobra Trapshooter II, it was good while it lasted but it got
 stolen from my car while parked at a parking lot downtown Toronto.  After that
 I bought a Maxon detector, the two piece thingie, at half price for $75+tax in
 NY State.  That got confiscated while my sister was driving outa town on weeke
nd.  Oh well...
   I wanted to buy a new one, BOTH the old detectors were TWO BAND ones.  Does
anyone have an suggestions for me?  I would rather a two piece thing that could
 be installed under the hood, or something that has stealth Technology, on the
other hand I don't want to spend over  $180 on it either.
   Can anyone enlighten me on the topic of 'Jammers' or whatever they're called
.  AND actually, I would appreciate any info on Scanners as well.  I figure if
a detector can't pick 'em up the scanner should.  But then it wouldn't be too p
leasant listen to the fuzz for 3 hours, instead of something pleasant and relax
ing like 'Metallica' *grin*
  Thanks in advance...

Pars
(Advi8715@ryevm.ryerson.ca)
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From: jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo)
Subject: Re: IRD?...Infra-Red-Detector?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:22:00 GMT

In article <SS.92Apr14132623@sparkplug.WPI.EDU> ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott N Streeter) writes:

>
>I have seen that Blue Mustang GT quite often in the past month on 
>290 near my exit where I get off to go home. Great stop for a speed
>trap. I counted about 10-15 cars pulled over about a week ago

Which exit?  They like to hide everywhere on 290, don't they?  They've
been hiding out neer rt 140 lately, too.  And now that the weather is
getting nice.... 



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From: mishaal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Mashal Abdulra Almashan)
Subject: IRD?...Infra-Red-Detector?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:39:07 GMT



	I got this from a friend...What do you think?

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       WHERE HAVE ALL THE MA STATE POLICE BEEN FOR THE LAST 2 MONTHS ?

Have you been asking yourself this question? Would you like to know the answer?
Read on:
          In School with a new sophisticated speed measurement device called
the IRD. It is an Infra-Red (heat detection) device that measures speed accur-
ately to .1 MPH. It is a small round device that is being installed in grey/
silver/blue 1992 &93 unmarked Mustangs and a limited number of State Cruisers.
It was rumored to appear on April 1st. First known siteing was yesterday 
4/8/92.  There is presently NO KNOWN DEFENSE against it OTHER THAN obeying the 
speed limit. Feel free to pass this note around to others as a precaution. 
Please strip headers before doing so. 
                                        Forewarned is Forelorned

	mishaal@wpi.wpi.edu
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