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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:21:05 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      MLA, Toronto 1993

     The MLA Newsletter has just landed on my desk.  I want to post the
18th-century calls for papers, but the MLA always gives just the name so
one must look it up in the Directory -- but I do not have a copy.  So,
could somebody volunteer to look up the addresses for me?

Thanks  -  Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:27:25 BST
From:         stephen clark <AP01@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Hobbes

I know this doesn't provide the answer to the question re Hobbes's
frontispiece but some people may like to know that there is an
engraving based on that by the Scottish novelist Alastair Gray, and used
in his *Lanark*.
Stephen Clark
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:29:47 -0400
From:         "(Stephanie Moskal Fysh)" <sfysh@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: MLA, Toronto 1993
              Sep 28, 92 9:21 pm

>
>      The MLA Newsletter has just landed on my desk.  I want to post the
> 18th-century calls for papers, but the MLA always gives just the name so
> one must look it up in the Directory -- but I do not have a copy.  So,
> could somebody volunteer to look up the addresses for me?
>
> Thanks  -  Kevin Berland for C18-L
>
What do you know, the Directory is sitting right on this desk.  I'll volunteer!

Stephanie Fysh
Dept of English
Univ. of Toronto
(sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca)
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Subject:      Re: Dissertation Research Awards

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From:         Stephen_Greenberg@OCCSHOST.NLM.NIH.GOV
Subject:      Re: Dissertation Research Awards
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To:           Kevin Berland <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

          The American Historical Association publishes an annual
          guide to grants for doctoral and post-doctoral research.
          The list contains several rare book libraries and such, and
          can be obtained from the AHA at 400 A Street SE, Washington,
          D.C. 20003.  The grant list is not limited to strictly
          historical topics.

          Stephen Greenberg
          History of Medicine Division
          National Library of Medicine
          stephen_greenberg@occshost.nlm.nih.gov
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:35:32 CST
From:         Brian Burchett <Brian.J.Burchett.1@POP.ND.EDU>
Subject:      RE:CORRECTED U.S. BIRTH DATE

In Message Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:00:00 CST,
  "NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine'" <MCELWRE%UWEC.BITNET@VMA.CC.ND.EDU> writes:

>                      UNITED STATES BORN NOVEMBER 15, 1777
>
>               Most people, including Astrologers, believe that the
>          United States was born on July 4, 1776.  But the Declaration
>          of Independence did NOT create a "union" of any kind.  It
>          created thirteen independent colonies, independent from Great
>          Britain AND INDEPENDENT FROM EACH OTHER.
>
>               What DID create the United States was the signing of the
>          ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.  And this occurred in YORKTOWN,
>          PENNSYLVANIA on NOVEMBER 15, 1777.
>
>               And THAT is the date that must also be used for CORRECT
>          Astrological considerations of the birth of the United
>          States.
>
>               NOVEMBER 15TH should be made another NATIONAL HOLIDAY!
>
>
>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
>
>
>                                   Robert E. McElwaine

Is it really worth C18-L's time to worry about astrological birthdates?
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:13:20 -0700
From:         rhahn@VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Stack Access at U.S. Library of Congress Restricted

Great story about LC.  Clearly everyone thought you were paging books
or just returning them to the shelves and were part of the staff!
What was the book?  Some 18th century novel, of course.
Roger Hahn, History, U. of California, Berkeley
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:16:00 EST
From:         WEITZMAN@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Re: cynicism

    As I remember Manly--but please remember I have not read THE PLAIN DEALER
since grad school days with G.W. Stone at NYU--as rough and nasty as he is,
I would not include him as a card-carrying cynic.  He is an English Alceste
as I recall, but I am not prepared to get into specifics until I reread the
play, but unfortunately I have so much on plate this fall term that I shall
leave the topic to an ambitious grad student.  Meanwhile, cynic unite! you
Correction: cynics unite! you have nothing to lose but your rhetoric stance.
A.-avoiding-cynicism Weitzman
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:15:52 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      LIST CHANGE: CANINE-L

Please note that there is a certain cynophily alive in 18th-century studies.
Are there not dixhuitiemistes, and (lo!) some among our very number (viz.,
among the serried ranks of C18-L) who will be discoursing upon the dog in the
18th century at Providence?  Yes.  -- Kevin Berland, quasi-tsar of the List

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To:           Kevin Berland <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>



The Dog Fanciers' Discussion List <CANINE-L@PCCVM.BITNET> is now peered.
The new peer is PSUVM. Subscription requests from Bitnet users may
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Virtually,

CANINE-L List Management
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:06:45 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      C18-L Housekeeping

     From time to time, something goes awry with subscriptions -- perhaps
a user's account has expired, or a node changes name, or something of that
nature.  Returned messages pile up in the list-owner's mailbox.  Thus, if
the problem continues, your subscription may be cancelled -- not without
notice, but since the notice goes directly to the same address that hasn't
been working, you'll probably never see it.  So -- if you are experiencing
a hiatus in fondly-anticipated C18-L e-mail, your name (actually your e-mail
address) may have been stricken from the rolls!  We will gladly return you to
the happy throng at your request.
     PLEASE remember, if your account is about to expire, let LISTSERV@PSUVM
know -- not C18-L itself, okay?

     Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:00:00 CST
From:         "NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine'" <MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET>
Subject:      CORRECTED U.S. BIRTH DATE

                      UNITED STATES BORN NOVEMBER 15, 1777

               Most people, including Astrologers, believe that the
          United States was born on July 4, 1776.  But the Declaration
          of Independence did NOT create a "union" of any kind.  It
          created thirteen independent colonies, independent from Great
          Britain AND INDEPENDENT FROM EACH OTHER.

               What DID create the United States was the signing of the
          ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.  And this occurred in YORKTOWN,
          PENNSYLVANIA on NOVEMBER 15, 1777.

               And THAT is the date that must also be used for CORRECT
          Astrological considerations of the birth of the United
          States.

               NOVEMBER 15TH should be made another NATIONAL HOLIDAY!


               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:47:00 EST
From:         WEITZMAN@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Re: cynicism

Re: Irwin Primer's little essay on whether Moliere's Alceste or Swift's
Gulliver are cynics, I would say no.  They are too idealistic and fanatical
in their beliefs to qualify for modern cynics like Robert Walpole (Every man
has his price).  But it is news to me that the ancient cynics performed
sexual acts in public.  Diogenes too!  I am devastated to think philosophically
oriented types could do that.  I never heard of such from the more sanitized
18th century unless you considered the antics of the hell-fire club.  John
Wilkes was another cynic worth watching.
     As for women cynics outside fiction, I can't think of a single one, but
there must have been many because cynicism of the modern type is trans-sexual
affecting all subgroups in equal measure.  It seems to flourish when pious
types wish to reform society as in the current multicultural effort to rid
the world of bigots, misogynists, racist, imperialists and others whom
liberals love to hate.
A. trying-to-avoid cynicism Weitzman, Northeastern U.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:00:01 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      errare humanum est

Whoops -- I think I just sent S.M. Fysh's private note to the net.  My
mistake -- but while I'm here, let me invite all C18-L readers to take
a moment to consider how they might contribute to C18-L by sending us
calls for papers & other information of interest....

Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:14:11 -0400
From:         "(Germaine Warkentin)" <warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Editing Exploration Texts

For new members of these lists, and as a reminder to old members:

The twenty-eighth annual Conference on Editorial Problems will take
place at the University of Toronto on November 6 and 7.  This year's
subject is "Editing Exploration Texts." The six speakers will be:

Helen Wallis, the distinguished map librarian, on "The Great
Publication Societies"

David Henige of the University of Wisconsin library on the problems of
editing Columbian texts

Luciano Formisano of the University of Bologna and the Repertorium
Columbianum on the editing of Italian sources for the history of exploration

James Lockhart of the department of history, UCLA, on editing Nahuatl
accounts of the conquest

Ian MacLaren of the University of Alberta discussing the text of Paul Kane's
"Wanderings of an Artist"

David Beers Quinn, Emeritus of the department of history, University
of Liverpool, who will speak on Hakluyt's "Discourse of Western
Planting"

We also hope to have a videotape presentation at noon time by the late
J. Brian Harley of the History of Cartography project, University of
Wisconsin.  Before his untimely death last December, Professor Harley
was scheduled to be a key-note speaker.

The Conference takes place at University College, University of
Toronto. Registration begins at 3.00 pm. Friday November 6; there will be two
papers, followed by a reception and banquet, at which Professor Quinn
will be the speaker.  On Saturday, there will be four papers, with
lunch provided at mid-day, and a reception at 5.00 pm.  Registration is
$65.00 CDN; students $15.00 (does not include the banquet).

Registration is limited to 100, a number at which we are arriving
fairly quickly.  Registrations forms have been sent to all those who
requested them when I announced the conference on e-mail last year.
If you did not receive yours, or if you have not seen the announcement
before, please send me an e-mail message at the address below and I
will be happy to send a form by the next mail.

My postal address is: Germaine Warkentin, Victoria College, University
of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1K7.

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Germaine Warkentin                                     warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:49:00 PST
From:         CARP_W@PLU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: RE:CORRECTED U.S. BIRTH DATE

Robert:

     You are wrong on both counts:  Congress declared America
independent on July 2, 1776 -- the Declaration simply explains the
reasons why.

    As for the Articles of Confederation they were proposed by the
Continental Congress in 1777, but were not ratified by the all the
states until March 1, 1781.  Not that it would make all that much
difference to astrologers, but I like to think that historians have an
interest in getting the dates correct.

E. Wayne Carp
Pacific Lutheran University
Department of History
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:02:53 -0500
From:         FA40@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hobbes

I used a xerox machine to enlarge successive copies of cover of
the Penquin paperback in order to see the little beasts clearly.
Laura Kennelly
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From:         "Don W." <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Dates, astrolog'l and other

>>               What DID create the United States was the signing of the
>>          ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.  And this occurred in YORKTOWN,
>>          PENNSYLVANIA on NOVEMBER 15, 1777.
>>
>>               NOVEMBER 15TH should be made another NATIONAL HOLIDAY!
>
>Is it really worth C18-L's time to worry about astrological birthdates?

Why not?  Obviously the matter is of interest to at least one
person.  If astrology were a theme of any import in c18 lit.,
we'd find nothing amiss in such discussions.

As it is, though, the posting's interdisciplinarity makes it
a bit odd; one would expect such matters to be discussed on
the HISTORY list, where it did appear, as I recall.  And surely
there's an astrology list or two willing to debate the issue.

And the motion to celebrate the signing of the Articles of
Confederation died for lack of a second some 200 years ago.
I expect history will repeat itself.  First things first, after all.

Regards,

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
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From:         Charles Ingrao <INGRAO@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      State revenues

I have recently been trying to compare state revenues in the late 18th century
and am curious to know if anyone out there knows what the British exchequer's
total annual income would have been for any year during the period 1785-1792.
The French seem to have had the highest (503 million livres in 1788), though
most of it went to debt service.  Austria got 87.5 million florins in the
same year, roughly twice Prussia's income.  Russia's is somewhere under
40 million rubles (though I hardly know how much that is).
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From:         Irwin Primer <primer@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Was RE: Organi$ed crime/is now re: cynicism

That's a fine bunch of oneliners, Kevin.  Am I right in thinking that
cynicism or the cynical frame of mind lends itself or is attracted to maxim
writing more often than many other subjects?  The cynical maxim and maxims
about cynicism (they do not always coincide) also seem now and then to be
parodies of proverbs or commonplaces.
   Thanks again to Deanna Calvert for her recommendations about reading
Charlotte Smith.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:45:56 BST
From:         stephen clark <AP01@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      junk mail

I have complained to Wisconsin about the activities of the phantom poster,
Robert McElwaine, and received this answer. The best solution seems to be
to ignore him, and to ask listowners to ask him to cease and desist.

Stephen Clark
Liverpool
listowner PHILOS-L

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     I would like to acknowledge receipt of your recent
complaint concerning materials that your Notes, Conference,
or Bulletin Board received from Mr. Robert McElwaine, one of
our students here at the University of Wisconsin - Eau
Claire.
    Mr. McElwaine's activities on the Internet closely
parallel similar activities here on campus in which he has
used every available public forum to promote his views.
Attempts to limit these activities have met with determined
and protracted resistance and litigation on his part based
upon his First Amendment rights under the United States
Constitution.  He contends that the readers of Conferences
or Bulletin Boards have no right to infringe on his right of
free expression.  However, he does acknowledge and accept
that the owners, moderators, or managers of Notes,
Conferences, or Bulletin Boards do have the right to remove
such material and to request that he not post any other
materials.  He has given assurances that upon receipt of
such a request that he will cease his activities.
          The fastest way to take care of the issue and to
prevent your Notes, Conference, or Bulletin Board from being
the recipient of additional communications from Mr.
McElwaine is to send him Email and request that he stop.
That Email should give your name and the name of the
Bulletin Board, Notes, or Conference you moderate or
control.  You should specifically state that you have the
authority to request that he cease and desist from any
further postings.  If you are not the administrator, then
you should forward this message to the individual who has
such authority and request that he/she contact Mr.
McElwaine.
     I would request that a copy of any correspondence with
Mr. McElwaine be also sent to me at CBRENNER@UWEC.EDU.   If,
after being requested to stop, he continues to send his
materials The University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire will take
steps to revoke his Internet privileges.
     On behalf of the University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire I
would like to apologize for any inconvenience Mr. McElwaine
has caused and to thank you for helping us address the
problem.

Sincerely,

Charles J. Brenner, Director
Computing and Networking Services
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:43:05 -0500
From:         SDILL@CHARLIE.USD.EDU
Subject:      Re: Dates, astrolog'l and other

It is the moral duty of all admirers of the eighteenth century to
fight for forgotten causes, etc.  SDILL

ATDT5385

to fight for forgotten causes, etc. SDILL
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:06:06 -0400
From:         LSCU414@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      HOBBES

Brian Burchett asks:
>Does anyone know where I could get a good enlargement of the engraving
>originally used as the title page for Hobbes' Leviathan?

The question is ambiguous.  It is doubted that BB has an original and
assumed that the question is about a useful image of the original.

1)  Most commercial (and academic) printing is done by
off-set lithography.  The images are halftones. In this process
continuous-tone images, such as engravings (the anonymous Leviathan
title is an engraving), cannot be printed until they are converted to
line images which contain areas which are either inked or left blank.
Under a glass the line image reveals itself to be a series of ordered
dots.  The quality of the image is controlled by the screen selected
(85-line, 133-line, 150-line, etc) in conjunction with the paper stock
selected.

2)  The best source for a good reproducation is the original engraving.
For Brian Burchett, the second best source is
Alfred Forbes Johnson's *A Catalogue of Engraved and Etched English
Title-pages down to the death of William Faithorne, 1691*, Oxford:
The Bibliographical Society at the Oxford University Press, 1934,
hidden in some catalogues under the series title: Facsimilies and
Illustrations No. IV.  Here will be found a continuous-tone facsimile,
a collotype.  A treasure.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:24:00 CDT
From:         Jorge Canizares <CANIZARE@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      unsuscribe C-18 list

Pleasestrike me off your list
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