HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: help: toe socks (remember them?)
Summary: seeking same
Keywords: 70's, rainbow-colored, 10
Organization: theoretically. i suspect chaos.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:16:52 GMT

ok, my friend is really sorta odd.
he's a 70's kinda guy and we were sitting around talking and
it turns out that what he wants MOST for christmas is...
a pair of rainbow striped toe socks
yeah, toe socks.
you remember them?
each toe a different color?
realllllllllly dippy?
we all had them?
a novelty item?
silly?
uncomfortable?
anyway, that's what he wants most
(aside from a big round ball of a chair
such as the kind number one sits in on the prisoner t.v. show)

anyway, i can't find these sox anywhere
if anyone out there can help get a pair of the aforementioned sox to
me, they will have helped make someone's holiday truly memorable

send all info, please
please please
thanking you,
l.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Weights and Measures
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:57:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.174017.5154@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> vogelm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Michael Vogel) writes:

>I would like to get some information about weights and measures.
>Is the USA ever going to change from the US-customary system to the metric
>system?
>To which extent and in which fields and professional branches is the metric
>system used in the USA?
>Who knows any abolished or rare units which are applied in special 
>professional branches only, such as in mining, farming, navigation, etc.?
>Is the majority of Americans in favor of a change to the metric system or
>do they prefer to keep their US measures?
>Does the NAFTA-treaty say anything about the use of weights and measures
>in Canada, USA and Mexiko?

I've always been suprised that the international trade of the last 30 or 40
years hasn't instituted more metric measurements.  Even the easy things to
change haven't been changed.

I'm sure we've generally stopped using links, rods, furloughs, etc. now that
surveying has gone scientific.

I can understand manufacturers not wanting to change as many bolts are 3/8",
7/16", 9/16", etc., and changing to metric means changing all the bolts in
a piece of machinery, and all of the tools as well.

However, changing the speedometer of a car to read km instead of miles is
a one time change.  Changing gasoline to be sold by the litre instead of
the gallon should be an easy problem.

Liquor is sold by metric (probably because much of it is imported) and now we
see 750 ml, 1000 ml instead of pints, quarts and fifths (now that's a strange
one, too).

Almost all commercially sold items could be easily sold on a metric basis
since you don't order by units anyway (you buy however many pounds the steak
weighs--so whether it's ounces or grams is totally irrelevant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Employment opportunities in Athens?
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:14:39 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Kalimera!

I have a question for all you greek.netters that I hope you can answer!  I
recently visited my lifetime penpal for the first time ever last month in
Athens.  And I had a blast over there!!!  I had the time of my life...so did
he (my penpal).

But anyway...there's an excellent chance I can go back to Athens again for a
few months (instead of just a few weeks) during the summer of 1993...but I'm
not sure I'll have enough money.

My question is this.....is it possible for me to legally get a job over in
Greece?  Whether it's as a waiter...teaching english...or in my field of
electrical engineering, I don't care...anything that will pay money!  And if
it is possible to get a job over there, can you tell me what I must do to go
about getting one?  (I mean, what kinds of paperwork must I fill out, etc?)


I don't know if any of this has any bearing on my situation but here's some
info on me...
      - I'm a citizen of the United States
      - I'm 22 years old (soon to be 23)
      - I'm single
      - I speak English & Spanish....and barely any Greek
      - I've got a B.S. in Electrical Engineering w/ a minor in Physics
      - I have a place to live in Athens (with my penpal's family)


And finally...if everything works out...and I can get a good job...and my 
money situation holds out.....I'd be thrilled if I could stay in Greece for
a year or two or three or four!  But for now, I'm just planning on staying
for about three months...(if I get to go at all)  :(


advTHANKSance for the advice/insight!
--Dennis
From: filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: A Greek to Latin transliteration scheme (was: Re: Help with typing Greek on English keyboard...
Summary: WARNING: It is a LaTeX source code
Keywords: Greek, Latin, transliteration
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:46:51 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <DJ6XVB1w164w@cellar.org> wfk@cellar.org 
(William F. Kershner) writes:

>Does anyone have a list of set rules for typing Greek words in English
>phonetics translation?  

Well, the following LaTeX source code gives the transliteration scheme
followed by our University (McGill) libraries.  As such, it has nothing
to do with the way people are writting Greek on USENET, but it may be
helpful to someone who wants to include, say, a Greek reference in one of
his publications.

In fact, I would recommend the following LaTeX code to be included
in the FAQ of this newsgroup (Nikos from Greece, can you hear me? :-))

Merry Christmas to all of you!

Dimitrios

% ---------------------- cut here -------------------------------
% 
% This is the Greek to Latin transiliteration scheme
% from McGill University Libraries.
% typed by Dimitrios Filippou: Dec. 21, 1992
%

\documentstyle [12pt]{article}
\pagestyle{empty}

\begin{document}

\begin{flushleft}
{\large\bf Greek to Latin Character Transliteration}
\end{flushleft}

\begin{tabbing}
(initial only) \= xxxx \kill  % this line is to set proper tabbing only
                              % and does not appear on the final print
$\alpha$ A \> a A \\
$\beta$ B \> b B \\
$\gamma$ $\Gamma$ \> g G (n before medial $\gamma$, $\kappa$, $\xi$, $\chi$) \\
$\delta$ $\Delta$ \> d D \\
$\epsilon$ E \> e E \\
$\zeta$ Z \> z Z \\
$\eta$ H \> $\overline{\rm e}$ $\overline{\rm E}$ \\
$\theta$ $\Theta$ \> th Th \\
$\iota$ I \> i I \\
$\kappa$ K \> k K \\
$\lambda$ $\Lambda$ \> l L \\
$\mu$ M \> m M \\
$\mu\pi$ M$\pi$ \> b B (initial only) \\
$\nu$ N \> n N \\
$\nu\tau$ N$\tau$ \> \underline{d} \underline{D} (initial only) \\
$\xi$ $\Xi$ \> x X \\
$o$ O \> o O \\
$\pi$ $\Pi$ \> p P \\
$\rho$ P \> r R \\
$\stackrel{{}_{\mbox{`}}}{\rho}$ \> rh  (this is $\rho$ with deep breathing~`) 
                                 \\  % this is rho + daseia
$\sigma$ $\varsigma$ $\Sigma$ \> s S \\  % $\varsigma$ = final sigma
$\tau$ T \> t T \\
$\upsilon$ $\Upsilon$ \> y Y (u in diphthongs such as $o\upsilon$, 
            $\alpha\upsilon$, $\epsilon\upsilon$, etc.) \\
$\phi$ $\Phi$ \> ph Ph \\
$\chi$ X \> ch Ch \\
$\psi$ $\Psi$ \> ps Ps \\
$\omega$ $\Omega$ \> $\overline{\rm o}$ $\overline{\rm O}$ \\[\baselineskip]
Breathings: \> \\
' \> omit \\
` \> h H 
\end{tabbing}
Omit other accents, the iota subscript and the dieresis (e.g.,
the accented upsilon with dieresis  becomes only ``y'':
``Taygetos''). 
\\[0.25\baselineskip]
\hrule
\vspace*{0.5ex}

\noindent
From the {\sl Transliteration Guides\/} of McGill University Libraries
(McGill University, Montr\'{e}al, Qu\'{e}bec, Canada, 1992).

\end{document}
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: request for 'Macedonia does not exist' protest letter
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:02:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi folks,

Does anyone have a canned letter used to protest the use of 'Macedonia'
as a country name if your local newspaper uses it? Something of
a few paragraphs would do, in the same spirit as the letter(s) protesting
to Time etc. 

I normally wouldn't bother but with Mutley/Arxid gone for now...

Spiros
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: U of Thessaloniki
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:53:51 GMT



    Eimai kai egw avamesa se autous pou jaxvouv! Avarwtiemai av kavavas apo
to AP0 diabazei news gia va mas apavtnsei. Proswpika 0elw tnv dieu0uvsn tou
Kwvstavtivou Lazou, ka0ngntn tns Sxolns Ma0nmatikwv tou Aristoteliou me edra
stov tomea nlektrovikwv upologistwv. H dieu0nvsn pou pnra apo tnv avalutria tou
sustnmatos otav nmouv stnv Ellada eivai n ejns : CBDZ01@GRTHEUNI (bitnet) alla
dev leitourgei (koivws epistrefei to mail). Mnpws uparxei problnma pou egw 
eimai sto Internet kai autos sto bitnet? Av vai, pws mporw va to dior0wsw?
H parapavw dieu0uvsn mou faivetai kata tov metriotero xaraktnrismo "periergn" 
kai dev moiazei ka0olou me tis alles dieu0uvseis pou jerw (eite stnv Ellada 
eita stnv amerikn). Kaveva sxolio pavw s'auto?


                                                      ---  Xapa

PS: Kai gia va mnv to jexasw : Kala Xristougevva kai eutuxismevo to Neo Etos 
    gia olous mas paidia.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: vh@cs.columbia.edu (Vasileios Hatzivassiloglou)
Subject: Re: The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority.
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:54:23 GMT

In article <9212212135@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
> ....
>
>The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority. 
>They pursue the same denial in connection with the Macedonians of 
>Greece. The Greeks deny the existence of the Turks there - despite the 
> .....
>
>Serdar Argic
>

That should make my point on the original article pretty clear. When you
deny something pretty much obvious, like the Turkish/Muslim minority, you
lose your credibility to the outside world. As a result, you get claims
for a Macedonian minority (they must be pretty well hidden in Greece)
which will be easily believed by any benevolent foreigner.

Same thing goes I'm afraid for the Macedonia name story; denying a people
to be called whatever they please not only is unreasonable and doomed to
failure, but also makes much more believable false claims about a Macedonian
minority and Greek's aggressive plans against that state. It's sad that
those who promote all this fanaticism about Skopje do not realize that.

Vasilis.
From: aim@csc.liv.ac.uk (Antonis Michailidis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: RE : MACEDONIAN NATI
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:46:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1992Dec27.115233.4684@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
 
> If you have been following this discussion properly, you know very
> well that Macedonian schools clearly teach their pupils that Ancient
            !!!!!!!!!!!
> and Slavic Maceodnians are not related. As for the SAS postings, they
> come from different sources, including some funny nutheads in Australia.

This is a lie. The Skopjan schools, which are certainly not Macedonian,
teach their pupils exactly the opposite. I know a Skopjan pupil who gave me
this information. In the past, claims similar to yours have been challenged in this net, but nobody provided any pointers to what is the official history
being taught in Skopjan schools.

> -- 
> Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
> Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.

Antonis Michailidis
A Macedonian from Macedonia
MACEDONIA = HELLAS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.181444.8396@en.ecn.purdue.edu> baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:
>the palikaria Greek junta and its palikaria Greek Cypriot cheerleaders who 
     ^^^^^^^^^			   ^^^^^^^^^
And just to stop making yourself a fool. Palikari (-ia for plural) is said
for someone who is brave. Is said to please someone, and not to offend him.
So "palikaria" and "cheerleaders" simply doesn't sound together.
 
>Cheers,
>Okan Baysan
>
Regards, Theodore.
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros GAVRILAKIS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: W/E News
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:50:20 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <92Dec21.191452est.48032@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara") writes:
|> In article <1992Dec21.121522@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >A collection of stories from the weekend press :
|> >
|> [text deleted]
|> >
|> ><<Greece, New identity card mentions the relegion : Greece, an
|> >Orthodox nation, will, in 1993, be the only country in the EC to
|> >impose on its citizens to write their relegion on their idenity
|> 
|> Too bad.
|> 
|> >cards. Mrs Virginia Tsouderou, Secretary of State for foreign
|> >affairs, warned the goverment against "the influence" of
|> >"International Jewish lobby" in particular in the US.>> (LNQ)
|> >
|> That, I don't understand. What has the "International Jewish lobby,"
|> in particular in the US, to do with Greek identity cards?
|> And what is the meaning of the "warning?" Does the sub-minister
|> agree with the act, or not?
|> 

It puzzles me plenty as well. I cannot see the connection either. But that
is how the article went. It may be my poor translation from the French, but
I do not think I misunderstood it. 


|> [text deleted]
|> 
|> >sg
|> 
|> C. Christara
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Employment opportunities in Athens?
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Lambros Skartsis Writes:
>>My question is this.....is it possible for me to legally get a job
>>over in Greece?  Whether it's as a waiter...teaching english...or in
>
>As you know there are hundreds of thousands of foreign workers in
>Greece presently - of course, the vast majority from the third world -
>while every summer lots of tourists make money by jobs like waiters,
>etc. I sure don't know how much of this employment is ... perfectly
>legal

 There are procedures that allow non-EEC foreigners to obtain jobs, but
the vast majority of "ergatotouristes" (tourist workers) don't bother.
Demand for labor is very high in Greece during the summer, and employers
will do anything to get young english-speaking people as waiters,
disk-jockeys, bellboys, etc. I get this info from someone
(greek-american, not a Greek citizen, very limited knowledge of Greek)
who spend 3 months as 'ergatotouristas' in '89 in Rhodes, and a few
months in '87 in Kalamata.

Michael
                                                                                                        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: The map of Macedonia in the 19th century.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:16:59 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>And I can point you to a map from an Italian encyclopedica from around
>1930 where not only the entire present-day Republic of Macedonia is in-
>cluded in their delineation of Macedonia, but also a slice of what is 
>Kosovo today. (Or, tragically, what used to be Kosovo.)

 Could you be more specific, please? Which encyclopedia are you talking
 about?

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.

 Panos Tamamidis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: W/E News
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.121522@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:
>
>
>A collection of stories from the weekend press :
>
[text deleted]
>
><<Greece, New identity card mentions the relegion : Greece, an
>Orthodox nation, will, in 1993, be the only country in the EC to
>impose on its citizens to write their relegion on their idenity

Too bad.

>cards. Mrs Virginia Tsouderou, Secretary of State for foreign
>affairs, warned the goverment against "the influence" of
>"International Jewish lobby" in particular in the US.>> (LNQ)
>
That, I don't understand. What has the "International Jewish lobby,"
in particular in the US, to do with Greek identity cards?
And what is the meaning of the "warning?" Does the sub-minister
agree with the act, or not?

><<The Greek wine accused of lukewarm nationalism : A call to boycott
>the Greek wine Makedoniko was launched by the Greek ultra-nationalist
>weekly "Stochos", which accuses the Greek producers of this product
>of lukewarm patriotism. "Despite our protestations, the company
>Tsantalis still sells its wine under the name Makedoniko, without
>proclaiming clearly that this term can only signify a Greek product"
>affirms "Stochos", accusing the firm that is looking for clientele in
>the ex-republic of Yougoslavia, Macedoine.>> (LNQ)
>
This is even more strange. It is probably written by someone
who has no background on Greece and misunderstood the situation.
The wine Makedoniko has been produced for years and years,
and always sold well. You don't have to "clearly proclaim"
that it is Greek. I know that Stochos is ultra-nationalist,
but this has nothing to do with ultra-nationalism;
it has to do with stupidity. Well, they might be; who knows?...
I still believe it is a misunderstanding.

[text deleted]

>sg

C. Christara
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: employment opportunities in Athens, GR
Date: 27 Dec 1992 18:01:56 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> [... a fellow netter from the US inquiring about job opportunities
> in Athens, Greece, either as a waiter or other or electrical engineer...]

a. as a waiter, remember that half the country works as one. (the other
   half work for the government and are the customers of these said
   waiters... So few opportunities are available.

b. as an electrical engineer... I remember back when I was studying
   civil eng. in Greece, (late 70's, early 80's) a very popular joke was:

   Giorgos just graduated from EMP (national polytechnic) with a degree in
   electrical engineering. He finishes his army duty and dives into the
   job market. 

   Much to his dismay nothing could be found (read section a of this post
   for explanation). He finally locates a HELP WANTED ad for an electrician
   in the local circus which was visiting Glyfada. Sobbing but starving,
   he takes it.

   Unfortunately, very little in EE is used in circuses, so George finds 
   himself wiring speakers, microphones, and changing lightbulbs all day.
   One day he was high up in the catwalks changing lightbulbs when he
   slipped and fell into the lion's cage when noone else was around.
   The lion was hungry and it pretty much cornered Giorgos, roaring and
   with jaws open!

   Giorgos froze and realized the end was near. He looked in the sky and
   wailed, 

      "what a terrible end for an electrical engineer graduate of EMP"

   to which the lion responded:

      "shut up re malaka (you jerk), I am mechanical engineer from EMP!"

Happy hunting!

Spiros

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Serdar's admirer!!! (Re: Merry Christmas, Argic)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:44:55 GMT

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>Hilmi Eren writes:

> 
>    If you really think so, then where is *your* argumentation? 
>    I forgot, as usual you have none, please don't waste your time
>    to write stupid things  like :"WOW, and ^H^H^H^H^..... 
>    If you have the least sensible thing to say then i'm listening, else  
>    you should SHUT up too.
> 
>I bet you have a lot of respect for someone that does not listen to   
>arguments (argumentation? ouch!), does not even have the arxidia to 
>post under his own name, has violated every rule on Usenet, has forged
>articles for MONTHS, has made libel accusations on the net, uses a program
>to respond to irrelevant articles, etc.
> 
  I bet she does have a lot of respect for Arxid.  After all, this is the
  so called pezeveng rationale. You "take it or leave it." 

>Regards,
> 
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
>(Self appointed Mutlu historian)

 Merry Christmas,

 Panos
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: : Macedonian Nationality
Date: 24 Dec 92 06:15:13 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

perena@csc.liv.ac.uk (Miss. P.I. Gouma) writes:

>In article <BznMM0.H3I@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>> [propaganda deleted]
>> Merry Christmas
>> 
>> Andy

>I would not like to keep on providing evidence that Macedonia is Greek. This 
>has already been done satisfactorily, by so many netters who know History 
>and respect themselves. I just want to ask the propagandist Andy what are 
>his motives (financial, personal, family reasons , or else) for keeping on 
>humiliating himself and his profession. I hope that he will reply for once 
>with Honesty, as it is a sin to lie these days.

More likely to be just an ego-trip. I bet he would ever dream of finding
so many people ready to argue with him about ancient history outside Usenet.

						 Bye,
						Yannis.
From: perena@csc.liv.ac.uk (Miss. P.I. Gouma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Re : Macedonian Nationality
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:25:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <BznMM0.H3I@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
> [propaganda deleted]
> Merry Christmas
> 
> Andy

I would not like to keep on providing evidence that Macedonia is Greek. This 
has already been done satisfactorily, by so many netters who know History 
and respect themselves. I just want to ask the propagandist Andy what are 
his motives (financial, personal, family reasons , or else) for keeping on 
humiliating himself and his profession. I hope that he will reply for once 
with Honesty, as it is a sin to lie these days.

 
Yours,

Perena Gouma

MACEDONIA = HELLAS
HELLAS = MACEDONIA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek