From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:53:38 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.142703.24045@texhrc.uucp> ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
>From: ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
>Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
>Date: 27 Aug 92 14:27:03 GMT

>In article <21408@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>|> In article <BtJt8v.G3K@rice.edu> gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
>|> >That's okay, you wouldn't have seen the violence on the news anyway.
>|> >It turns out that the only way to get the straight story is to go to
>|> >the victims/eyewitnesses, who describe attackers:
>|> >
>|> >- headbutting defenders
>|> >- stomping feet (this resulted in at least one broken toe last week)
>|> >- charging lines at points of joined hands in attempt to break through
>|> >- using usual assortment of kicks, elbows, etc., in the press of the
>|> >  crowd
>|> >- strapping a woman with cerebral palsy into a wheelchair and using
>|> >  her as a battering ram (these people are SICK, folks) (actually the
>|> >  woman was shown on channel 13, being nobly carried by an able-bodied
>|> >  ally, but the wheelchair tactic was not)
>|> 
>|> It is very unlikely that what you are saying is true.  The popular
>|> media is decidedly pro-abortion (Consider: CNBC, the NBC cable TV
>|> network, discontinued the DeMoss Foundation pro-life spots after 100
>|> workers signed a petition threatening to quit.  They tried the same
>|> thing at Turner Broadcasting, but Ted realized he'd risk a scandal
>|> if he caved in.).  If it could be shown that pro-life protesters
>|> were acting violently, it would be front page news with 72pt
>|> headlines.

>Bullshit.  If the media were pro-choice, then they would not come a-runnin
>to every demonstration that the anti-choicers have.  

Where have you been?  Of course they are pro-choice, by and large.  And that
is why they cover the OR operations.  They show how antagonistic those 
Christians are.  

They never cover the physical abuse the OR people have suffered at the hands 
of police.

But let's be realistic.  The papers and cameras are always there to cover 
anything that is controversial.  John is right that if there were violence 
going on as a rule, the news would pick it up.

>When you can support your position with first-hand experience, please
>let me know.

Gimme a break.  Anyone with a newspaper has first-hand experience that 
violence sells.  Gotta be pretty lame to miss that one.

>While I agree that OR is the least violent of the anti-choice group,

I don't think so.  Try us :-)

>the rest of your argument is pure hogwash.  Where have you been living
>for the past ten years?  Several clinics have been bombed.  Bones have
>been broken, assault charges filed.  Your so-called non-violent protest
>is nothing of the sort.  There are too many fanatics in that mob for
>non-violence.  They, like their fathers before them are more than 
>willing to do violence in the name of God.  If you ever get a chance to
>go to one of these demonstrations, I urge you to do so.
>( I don't mean to imply that *all* anti-choicers are violent )

Well, good.
>Idiotic!  What gives them the stream of martyrs is their own violence!
>They bomb clinics, 

When was the most recent clinic bombing?  I'm a little isolated up here.

>assault clients, destroy property, and generally
>make a nuisance of themselves.  When they break the law, they go to
>jail.  Our job as clinic defenders was to minimise the number of martyrs.
>we did that my minimizing the possibility of violence.  Just look at
>the history of Christanity and you will see just how non-violent a 
>true believer is. (sarcasm)

Just look at the history of Egypt and you might understand why the history 
of Christianity is as it is.

Today, things are and will be different.
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