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From: dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.163741.7301@u.washington.edu> hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.232520.18947@javelin.sim.es.com>, dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit) writes:
>
>> >                        
>> I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
>> I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
>> a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.
>> Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
>> play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
>> $prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.
>> 
>> -- 
>>   Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
>>   Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
>
>How is the '85 season relevent to '84?  Using Diana's logic, one could say
>Washington was the best team in '84 because Washington destroyed BYU in
>'86, which the Huskies did.  I can't stand people who put weight on games
>played the following year.  College teams change, sometimes quite
>drastically, from season to season.  Your argument, Diana, shows your lack
>of wisdom.    
>
>-Brian  
Brain makes a good, *relevant* point.  How is '84 relevant to '85?   How is
'91 relevant to '92?  Using Brain's logic, one could say that Washington
has as good a chance as anyone to win the MNC this year.  

Brain, that's too bad you took to personally attack me.  Don't worry, I'm
not offended.  I realize it's all in fun.  :^)  :^)

The point I was making was that 'certain people keep woofing about how
Washington would have stomped BYU had they played in '84, thus Washington
deserved the MNC more than BYU'.  The closest reference to Washington
playing BYU in '84 was the beginning of the '85 season, and the result was
in BYU's favor.  Thus since Washington didn't play BYU in '84 no one can
reasonably claim that they would have beat them.  
 
You can belly-ache/analyze all you want but it still doesn't change the
fact that BYU or (anyone else) won the MNC in '84 or (any given year).

Brain, you are from Washington, aren't you?  Brain's and anyone else's
arguments degrading BYU's MNC sounds just like the Switzer-ites just before
they lost to Washington.

Daina
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  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: Illinois Football Schedule. 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:23:19 GMT

.
.       University of Illinois Football / 1992.
.
Sept  5  NORTHERN ILLINOIS  Varsity I Day/Band Day (evening game)
Sept 12  MISSOURI
Sept 19  @ Houston
Oct   3  @ Minnesota
Oct  10  @ Ohio State
Oct  17  IOWA  Pork Day/Foundation Day
Oct  24  NORTHWESTERN Homecoming
Oct  31  @ Wisconsin
Nov   7  PURDUE Dad's Day/ 4H
Nov  14  @ Michigan
Nov  21  MICHIGAN STATE
.
Season Tickets
.  Main Stands and Balconeys    112
.  Horseshoe                    88
.  North Endzone                64
Individual Tickets sold
.    after June 1st, all 20, except homecoming-$22.
Student tickets (indiv.)        10
.
Athletic ticket office  (217) 333-3470
.

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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.205652.8473@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@dante.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
> In article <Bt6ww0.AM3@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
> >
> >Jimmy Johnson was ask this year how his last Hurricane team would have
> >done in the NFL.  Jimmy said that his last Miami team could not only
> >have beat the slowpolks cowboy (1-15) team he got his first year in
> >Dallas, but he would have run the score up on them with Miami.  JJ 
> >said on the Dallas astoturf speed is needed to play a fast team. How
> >can you hit what you can't catch.   JJ said his first Cowboy team could
> >not even catch the Cane's linemen running up field.
> >
> 
> Sorry bud, this just re-enforces my belief the good old Jimmy
> Johnson has as much brains as Tom Landry has hair.  Even the
> weakest NFL team would still win hands down over any college team
> ... even the mighty Hurricanes.

As I remember it, Buddy Ryan was asked how Jimmy Johnson would do
in going from the MNC 'canes to the 'pokes.  Buddy said, "well,
he won't find any East Carolinas on the schedule."  Jimmy
then guided the 'pokes to a 1-15 record.

My appologies to the East Carolina fans.  This story is a few years
old.




> 
> Heck, Miami couldn't even beat ND, how can they expect to play
> the pros.
> 
> 	rob


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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Bowl Records
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:40:59 GMT

>>1. Toledo         87.5%
>>5. Miami (OHIO)   71.4%

See how great the MAC really is?

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.205652.8473@news.nd.edu>,
rszczerb@dante.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

}In article <Bt6ww0.AM3@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
}>
}>Jimmy Johnson was ask this year how his last Hurricane team would have
}>done in the NFL.  Jimmy said that his last Miami team could not only
}>have beat the slowpolks cowboy (1-15) team he got his first year in
}>Dallas, but he would have run the score up on them with Miami.  JJ 
}>said on the Dallas astoturf speed is needed to play a fast team. How
}>can you hit what you can't catch.   JJ said his first Cowboy team could
}>not even catch the Cane's linemen running up field.
}>
}
}Sorry bud, this just re-enforces my belief the good old Jimmy
}Johnson has as much brains as Tom Landry has hair.  Even the
}weakest NFL team would still win hands down over any college team
}.... even the mighty Hurricanes.
}
}Heck, Miami couldn't even beat ND, how can they expect to play
}the pros.
}
}	rob

I remember hearing a press conference with Lou Holtz before the ND-Miami
game.  I guess Jason believed Holtz (first mistake) when Holtz said,
"Not many teams that play on *Sunday* could beat Miami."  Score?

Notre Dame  31
Miami       30

As much as I hated Miami, I respected their winning attitude, and I
had no doubts that Johnson would go for two instead of the tie.
I'm finally getting used to Jimmy as coach of the Cowboys.  As my
brother-in-law put it (insert tongue into cheek), "It's hard to cheer
for your team when their coached by Satan."  :-)

-Mike Noonan
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:22:00 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Aug18.171309.343@u.washington.edu>, crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>> 
>>> Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>MR. SWANGER??  You know, my wife calls me that sometimes, usually when she's
>>mad at me...
>>-- 
>>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
> 
> Tee Hee Hee.  Pissed you off a little did I?  Feel in good company.  I made
> his goobness mad at me by calling him Mr. Smith once too.

Pissed??  Heck Cliffie, I only get pissed at dishonest politicians (oops,
redundant) and unsweetened iced tea (NO!!  NOT THAT THREAD AGAIN!  AAAAGGH!).  

-- 
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: The Wack attack
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:42:14 CDT

In article <16e492INN2l7@early-bird.think.com> krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall) writes:
>(What ? No Northwestern this year ? Oh well, at least we're
>still playing Purdue ;^) )

I am saving this file.  You better hope to god that you guys beat Purdue
this year.

>=============================
>Thomas F. Krall 
>Product Support
>Thinking Machines Corporation
>Cambridge, Ma. 02142
>=============================

Ahhhh, Thinking Machines.  Yet another reason for the Minnesota bias.  Well
just remember, we have a dinky CM-5 at Wisconsin, too!
-- 

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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug13.194019.11455@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@milton.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
#Does anyone have any information about the loggest unbeaten
#streaks in college football (as opposed to the longest winning streaks)? 

Team          Years     No.   Record   Spoiler     Score
Washington    1907-17   63    59-0-4   California  27-0
Michigan      1901-05   56    55-0-1   Chicago      2-0
California    1920-25   50    46-0-4   Olympic     15-0
Oklahoma      1953-57   48    47-0-1   NotreDame    7-0
Yale          1885-89   48    47-0-1   Princeton   10-0
Yale          1879-85   47    42-0-5   Princeton    6-5
Yale          1894-96   44    42-0-2   Princeton   24-6
Yale          1904-08   42    39-0-3   Harvard      4-0
NotreDame     1946-50   39    37-0-2   Purdue      28-14
Oklahoma      1972-75   37    36-0-1   Kansas      23-3
Minnesota     1903-05   35    34-0-1   Wisconsin   16-12

___

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Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: Sid Kitchel <kitchel@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Nebraska (and Oklahoma) versus Top 20
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:38:29 -0500

m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:

>--
>...many bytes of garbage from the previous discussion about his topic deleted.

>Ok, the main point of the original authors post is that NU and OU have sucked
>eggs vs the top 20 for the last 4 or 5 years.

>Well, he is right. NU has not finished in the top-10 for the last 3 years
>now. (Did I get that right?) Therefore the coaches and the media agree with
>the premis regarding Nebaska.

>Remarks about OU are void as they have been under tough recruiting restrictions
>for a few years etc...  (I'm not making any moral implications here. I'm talking
>about pure talent on the field). 

	Thanks for offering us an easy excuse!! That excuse is in the
process of being over. What now comes up is testing time. Gary Gibbs
and his staff now go under the microscope big time. Can they make use
of the talent they have? Can they recruit? Can they beat the cows??
Can they return the proper alignment of power in the Big8?
	Underlying all this testing is the more basic question: does
promotion from below still work at Oklahoma??? Bud Wilkinson, Gomer
Jones, Chuck Fairbanks, Barry Switzer and Gibbs were all promoted from
within to be head coach. All were big successes except Jones who found
Bud's shoes too big to fill and Gibbs who is still developing. Maybe
Gibbs will have trouble being as successful as Barry. The
last two outsiders picked were Jim Tatum and Jim Mackenzie. Each led a
major flowering of OU's football program. If Gibbs stumbles, the
Sooners should look for fresh ideas in the greater world and hope for
another miracle from a new Tatum or a new Mackenzie.
	(Or maybe they just need some guy named "Jim".)

						soONEr born!!!,
						      --Sid
-- 
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Computer Science Dept.                         kitchel@cs.indiana.edu
Indiana University                              kitchel@iubacs.BITNET
Bloomington, Indiana  47405-4101........................(812)334-8100
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beavers will win MNC fer sure!
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:13:35 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
Keywords: Oregon State, Champion, MNC, fair weather crap

In article <l93bk0INNa80@solar.usc.edu>, sboztas@solar.usc.edu (Serdar Boztas) writes:
|> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
|> 
|> >THE OREGON STATE BEAVERS WILL WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
|> >YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!
|> 

Poor misguided Yvonne, she failed to forcast that the OREGON STATE BEAVERS
(The real OSU ?) will lose to the mighty MINNESOTA GOLDEN GOPHERS in that
dam Rose bowl.  ;^)

Question: Whats the best part of being a Golden Gopher football fan ?

Answer: Your never disappointed when they lose ! ;^)

Any others ?

-Tom

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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: USC Football
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:46:10 GMT

Dear Goob,

As executive vice president of The Goober School for the Clueless in charge
of cleaning toilets, I would like to nominate Mr. Fight On himself, Valdis
Whatshisname as goober of the month.  For supporting documents,
search backwards under the thread of this name.

Undoubtedly, we will have even more clueless goobers soon, when school starts
up around the nation.  For now, however, this is as clueless as it gets.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: re: Respect for NC State
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:58:37 GMT
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article #17504, Patrick E. Fleming writes:


>>Rob Black writes:
>We . . . have 3 proven QB's coming back 

>>If there are three of them, what exactly did they prove?

     - Pat
.
Apparently you do not know beans about State's season last year. We lost
starting QB Terry Jordan in the 4th game against UNC. Geoff Bender stepped
in and led a scoring drive his first time out. Then he led us to 2 touchdowns
in the last 2 minutes for a come from behind victory against Marshall.

So here's Bender in the slot and not doing to shabbily, he gets hurt in the
8th game against Virginia. *TRUE FRESHMAN* Terry Harvey comes in and holds
his own even though Virginia was already stomping our butt. The following
week he leads us in another come from behind victory against Duke, scoring
2 times in the final 3 minutes, much like the Marshall game.

So here we've been through 3 QB's due to injuries and still ended up 9-2
on the regular season. All 3 of them performed quite well.

Looking at that, I'd say we have 3 proven quarterbacks!



Rob Black                    black@concert.net               Raleigh, NC
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:02:44 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit) wrote:
}                        
}I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
}I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
}a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.

However, this has absolutely nothing, nada, zip to do with who should 
have been national champ in '84.  

}Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
}play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}$prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.

Well, here's the problem with that: Washington was only #4 going into the
bowls (behind Oklahoma and on-probation Florida) so they had no guarantee
that even if they took a $2-3 million pay cut to go to play BYU that they 
would be elected NC by winning.  They would probably have just played the
spoiler role for #2 Oklahoma or #3 Florida, hardly worth tossing that kind of
money for. 


-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
                   was what we meant to find."
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Auburn News
Organization: ^$
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.075824.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>Auburn practices in full gear today (August 20) for the first time this fall.
>Here are a few things that have been in local papers:
>
>Highly regarded freshman Roymon Malcolm has been slowed by a hamstring this 
>week.           ^^^^^^^^?
>

 Didn't he lose a year of eligibility last year due to prop 48?

>-- 
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: UW news...
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:15:41 GMT

   Well, this posting has nothing to do with A@M, USC, Miami, Washington,
   ND, etc., but just in case anybody cares here goes...
   There is a battle for the placekicking spot on the Wisconsin team this
   fall (BTW, IMO Wisconsin is the original "UW" in college football).
   James Russell, a senior transfer from UCSB, is challenging senior Rich
   Thompson for the job. Russell hit 8 of 9 FGs in 1990 and has nailed a
   UCSB-record 52-yarder.

   In other news, Alvarez has been impressed by freshmen Rod Spiller and
   Jamie Vanderveldt, both defensive linemen. For the first time since
   Alavarez has been around, freshmen won't be making a big contribution
   to the team. The exception might be Kerwin Badie, who had the nation's
   top high school times in the 100 (10.1), 200 (20.83) and a 4.35 in the
   40.

   --salty

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From: jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering)
Subject: Georgia Schedule
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:30:06 GMT

  
  Could someone either post or e-mail me this years University of Georgia
football schedule?

Thanks!!
-- 
Jerry Simmering                 | GO Portland Trailblazers! 1992 W.C. Champs
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.  | GO Atlanta Falcons! 
Beaverton, Oregon.              | GO Georgia Bulldawgs!
                                | GO Atlanta Braves! 1991 NL Champs!    
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Undefeated NCAA Teams (All Divisions), 1991
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:37:47 GMT

Div. IA
---------------------------
Miami-Fla           12-0-0
Washington          12-0-0



Div. IAA
---------------------------
Holy Cross          11-0-0
Alabama St.         11-0-1



Div. II
---------------------------
(none)



Div. III
---------------------------
Thomas Moore        10-0-0


PDunn
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:10:02 GMT

Patty Therrien writes:

>and don't forget to wish upon a star...

Now Patty, you shoul dknow that there is only one game in August!  You must be 
talking about the game to be played on September -5th.

(Besides, everybody knows that the stars fall on Alabama!)

     - Pat
.
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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More Bucks news
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:39:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug20.135732.5476@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.224521.8060@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>>More Buckeye news for anybody that cares -
>>
>>Foster Paulk, and the backup Noseguard to Greg Smith whose
>>name escapes me at the moment, have been suspended by Cooper
>>for academic reasons.  
>
>This really hurts.  I thought this might finally be the year
>for the Bucks to pull together a solid defensive backfield ....
>at least a veteran one with some definite raw talent. hmm ...
>

He may be back if ge gets his grades together.  Marlon Kerner
is filling in for him in the meantime.  He got 69 minutes
last year as a Freshman.  I think even without Paulk, they'll
still have the best secondary they've had in quite a while
(which isn't necessarily saying a lot).  Harper has reportedly
been looking real good in practice.

>
>>Dante Lee has reportedly left the team and will not be
>>returning.
>
>
>Wow! This is a shocker.  I know Dante hadn't seen much
>action last year at TB, but he had seen alot of action
>at flanker ... and he did quite well.  Has good receiver hands.
>Can anyone expound on these happenings?

The rumor is that he had a falling out with Cooper during the spring, 
left school then, and never returned.  The facts are that unless
a lot of people got hurt, the only PT he was going to get was on the
special teams.  

>
>Also, any information on Corey Stringer (the next great OSU lineman :)) ?
>Does it look as though he's a prospective starter?  I think the Bucks
>are expecting great things from this guy.
>
 
Yep - he's running on the first team, mainly because Jason Winrow has been 
having back problems and also reported out of shape (he hasn't passed his 
conditioning test yet).  Even if Winrow gets it together, Stringer will 
get some PT this year.  He's going to be a big-time player before it's 
all over. 
 
david
From: siva@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Siva Brabaakaran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: South Carolina Schedule
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:41:08 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC

Can someone please post the Gamecocks fottball schedule?

Thanks a lot

Praba


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