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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: No TV On Weekdays (Was:Misch.Child)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:34:14 GMT

In article <168418C11.RH398@uacsc2.albany.edu> RH398@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.142258.22933@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
>nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
> 
>>As the parent, I'd have opted for cuddling up on the sofa with my
>>daughter and watching her favorite program with her, laughing at the
>>silly mouse when she laughs, giggling at a silly inuendo or joke and
>>seeing her look up at me and giggle with me, and then later talking about
>>the show and sharing with her what I learned from the story.
>>Good grief, Vivienne.  You let a potentially close precious moment
>>pass because of some rule you've applied to your home.
> 
>     What's wrong with consistancy in applying rules?  Sometimes
>a "potentially close precious moment" must pass for the lesson
>of sticking by your word.  Or is this passe today?

What's wrong with sticking to the rules in favor of a precious moment
with your child????  Ye gads.

I wonder if any parent who was caught up in the emotional tourmoil of
realizing that their child was grown up and about to leave home ever
thought "Gee, I wish I'd have stuck to the rules all these years
instead of having all those unstructured spur-of-the-moment adventures
with my child ..."

I don't have any problem with rules if they are well-thought-out and
make sense.  I think the "No TV on weekdays" is confusing to a four-
year-old, who probably regards weekdays the same as Saturday or
Sunday - a morning to wake up in and nighttime to go to sleep in with
stuff to do when it's day.  Why should TV be taboo certain days and not
others?  Does Mr. Icky TV turn into Mr. Friendly TV on Saturday morning?
What does "Saturday" mean anyway and how come Mouse Detective isn't on
when Mr. TV is Friendly???

I think that if TV watching is going to be scruitinized, it should
be according to the individual programs and not whether it is a
certain day.  There is just as much garbage on during the weekEND as
during the weekDAY.  :-)

The rules that are imposed for safety or courtesy-to-others reasons are
a different issue, and not under discussion here.  


-Nance
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From: sj@hydra.UUCP (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: P.S. - lost net access
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:35:26 GMT


If anyone answers my post about a crib-to-bed question (mattress
protectors, to be specific!) please e-mail me instead of posting.

I don't even know if the post made it...

In fact, did this one make it?  I'm using Marjorie's address now.


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From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Why Do 4 Year Olds Act This Way!
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:30:23 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

Hi!

I lost the heading so made up my own - Sorry!!!!!!!

When my three boys were four I counted the days until five everyday!
For some reason, four year olds seem to be a handful - My youngest,
now five, six in a few weeks, was the worst - the day he turned four
he also bacame instantly helpless!  It is kind of funny now to talk
to friends who have four year olds, but at the time it was not funny.

We really learned to ignore him a lot, when we told him to pick up his
mess and he would say "I don't know how!" We'd just ignore the mess and
let him deal with it - and he did eventually.  

I think the cutest times though were when he was very tired he would tell
us that his legs hurt and he couldn't walk to bed.  Well we came to the
conclusion that perhaps four year olds are realizing that they are becoming
more independent and they revert for a while back to the infancy stage.

Now, I think back and I'd take him at four again - we did have many many
good laughs (after the fact). Just smile and realize that is has to be
something developmentally going on.  And after he's asleep, sit back and
chuckle at him (or her).  This age is one of the most difficult (or
challenging - I like the term too) but, it is also the cutest stage they
go through - all my boys developed their sense of humors at four and we
really had a lot of fun with them then - Oh maybe I better have a child 
so I can do it all over again - 

One more thing - when he is young and doing and saying things - tape the
cute stuff or write it down - when you look back it will be cute!!!

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense - nostalgia got the best of me -
I both hated and loved to death my boys when they were four - I truly
do miss it now - Just HAVE FUN WITH IT - and laugh it off sometimes.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene Stern)
Subject: craft boutique to benefit foundation
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: crafts
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: nj
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:24:19 GMT



We will be holding a Craft Boutique, Saturday and Sunday, August 15 and 16,
10 a.m. to 4 p.m. at our home at 50 Wesleyan Drive, Hamilton Sq., NJ.  
Beautiful handmade items from over 40 crafters will be available for purchase.  
20% of all sales will be donated to the Lazar Foundation for Juvenile Laryngeal  
Papillomatosis.  Our 2 1/2 year old daughter Lindsay suffers from JLP, and
requires surgery every 3-4 weeks to remove growths from her larynx and vocal  
cords so she can breathe.  Lindsay has had 10 surgical procedures since her  
diagnosis in November 1991.  Please join us for a fun weekend and help us to  
help the children breathe.  For info call, Marlene and Bill Stern,
609-890-0502 or email mstern@lindsay.princeton.edu.

Thank you.
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hot Tubs, Saunas linked to birth defects...
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:30:52 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

There was an article in today's paper (sorry, left the article in the car)
about a AMA study that has linked the use of hot tubs and saunas during
the first 6 weeks of pregnancy with spinal defects, such as spina bifida.
The study said that they didn't find any links with hot baths or electric
blankets (or was it that the evidence was inconclusive?). On the hot baths,
it probably depends on how hot and how long.

Said that the type of defects was the same as those found in babies where
the mother had a high fever early in the pregnancy.

Any Finns care to comment on the saunas? Do cultures that go for saunas
have prohibitions on pregnant women using them? Just curious...

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:38:50 GMT
Keywords: car noises

In article <1992Aug20.221741.2959@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>In article <cathe.714330177@xanadu> cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon) writes:
>>Hello,
>>
>>My husband and I were watching our 1 year old last night as
>>he pushed is little wooden soapbox car around the room
>>making car noises up and down the roads (legs, arms, whatever
>>was in his way).  I'd never seen him do this and I certainly
>>don't make car noises when we play.  My husband stated that
>>he thought boys would NATURALLY have this trait and a girl
>>wouldn't.  You can imagine the discussion that followed that
>>sort of remark.  My question is this...does anyone know
>>of a good child development book which discusses the issue of
>...
>>I'm hoping to prove my husband wrong (he said he'd be happy to admit
>>defeat if he had a girl who made car noises).
>>
>
...

Maybe someone's car just needs a new muffler! :-) 

But seriously, our kids absorb lots of sounds and repeat them.  That's not sex-
oriented; that's using their ears.  My girls also echoed car noises with toy cars.
But I find that a little boy is more likely to take a _rectangular block_ and 
pretend it's a car, making it go vroom around the room.
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:04:24 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.183707.1943@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

|> In short, calling social services is something you should do if you
|> feel a child is in danger.  Otherwise, it is really best to pusue other
|> avenues.  Help if you can.  If the situation is more than you can
|> handle, there are various ways to get out of it.  But government
|> intervention should trully be a last resort.

Another case of "I don't want to handle this uncomfortable situation so
I'll have Uncle Sugar handle it for me."  Which of course 1) costs money,
2) distracts government agencies from the "real" task at hand and 
3) creates a society where we don't have to reach out and risk ourselves
emotionally but just call a government agency instead.  Which really isn't
a society or community at all, but instead a collection of individuals
forced to live next to one another.

I say do the hard thing and reach out to this person.  They will likely
be more responsive than you think.  It will likely be more rewarding than
you could possibly imagine.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: keeping a 4month old entertained
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:19:37 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

If she'll entertain herself for 15 minutes to 30 minutes, she's doing
**great**. Many two year olds don't do much better (depends on the
kid) so you'll need to gear your getting things done around time she
can entertain herself most easily (I'd try shortly after she gets up
from a nap, she probably won't do well if she's tired), and bring the
swing/bounce chair/johnny jump up, mat and toys, etc, into the room
you're in (you might be doing this already) and talk to her while you
try and do what you need to. You can also try wearing her (for short
periods, probably no more than a 1/2 hour) if she's got good neck
strength in a backpack to vaccum or do dishes. And you might just need
to scurry around quickly (and prioritize your goals) when she's
napping. Honestly, if I get a few errands run (all in one trip) or get
a major project or a few minor ones done in a day, I'm doing pretty
well. Some days I get more done, some days I get nothing but children
related activities done.

And you'll be happiest if you surrender to spending lots of time
being with her while you're alone with her. Katherine and I used to go
out window shopping when I wanted a break from the house - so long as
I could give her most of my attention, she was happy. But the home
wasn't always cleaned. Now Robin and Katherine keep each other
company, and he'll even check out a video for 15-30 minutes (if
there's music, he *loves* music), and Robin's just 5 months old. If
you've got a bright alert baby, she will probably get bored - infants
are driven to need stimulation to learn and grow.

You will be primary entertainment for your daughter for the next 2 or
more years, it will be different, but it didn't get 'better' for me
until Katherine got to be about 2, and even then, she would entertain
herself (watching a video) for an hour or so at best.

Btw, I sympathize. I've gotten pretty frustrated at times, or handed
the baby to Kayvan when he's gotten home so I could fold laundry, or
ruined dinner because Robin just couldn't be put down without
screaming (and he was too young for the backpack then). It takes a lot
of effort to juggle childcare and homecare.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: king@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Linda King)
Subject: Requests for Bottle/Cup FAQ
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:30:20 GMT

Hello,

I am the keeper of the Bottle/Cup - Solid Foods FAQ file.  I have
been receiving may requests for this file recently and have tried
to respond to all.  I would like to request, however, that when
you send me a request for the file, please include your complete
e-mail address in the body of the message.  Our mailer here does
some funny things with the incoming tagged address so that a 
direct reply is not always possible.

If you have sent a request for the FAQ recently and have not 
received a copy, please send a new request with a full e-mail
address included.  I hope noone has been inconvenienced by not
receiving this file, however if the outgoing mail bounces, by
the time I receive the error your mail request has usually been
deleted.  I save the body of all messages, but the headers are
not included.

Also, if anyone has any new ideas to add to this FAQ, feel free
to send them to me at any time.  I continue to update this file
on a regular basis.  My e-mail address is:

	       king@asl.dl.nec.com

Stay in touch!

Linda

-- 
Linda King                    "I don't want the cheese,  --
king@asl.dl.nec.com              I just want to get out of the trap."
(214) 518-5010                              Spanish Proverb
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:23:09 GMT

Susan, 
   I think it's time to talk to the other parents.   It's not
reasonable or fair for you to spend your entire weekend taking care of
the two children from next door.   I would invite the other parents
over and talk about it a bit.  If you don't want to confront them
directly, you might try a more indirect approach: "My husband and I
are going shopping this afternoon.  Would you watch my kids, please?"

One idea might be to _limit_ the amount of time Matthew  spends with
the girls.  i.e. He plays with them in the morning, but at lunch time
he goes home, and doesn't play with them in the afternoon.

You do have a tough situation, though, because it sounds as if the
other parents are, at the very least, inattentive.  If you dont let
the kids play at your house (and watch them), they will be
unsupervised.  If you do let them, you feel taken advantage of, and
don't get things done around the house, or get time for yourself.  I'm
really not sure how to stop it without talking to the other parents,
and if the other parents don't care, and you don't trust them to watch
the kids enough, you're really in a bind.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Warming baby bottles
Date: 12 Aug 1992 16:28:20 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <day_kevran-100892165953@130.252.108.211>, day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:

|> Anyway, I found that the warm water bath for the frozen baggie of breast
|> milk worked just fine and defrosted VERY quickly!  Besides why does a 
|> bottle have to be more than just room temp or slightly higher?  My son
|> never had a problem with hot, warm or cold bottles - he really didn't 
|> care!

Is this unusual? I had understood that it was rare for a baby to accept 
changes in his milk--it had to be the same temperature as usual, so
formula-users are advised to start out by giving the baby cold bottles, 
for convenience's sake. 

A lot of babies refuse to accept a bottle while their breast-feeding 
mommy is in the house. So when my baby accepted a bottle from ME, I 
thought he must be a very flexible child. When he accepted an icy-cold 
bottle from my husband, I was even more convinced of this. (Not that it 
matters, but one does like to look for clues about the personality of 
this little stranger!)

So--is this unusual or not?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Cute things they say (4 YO)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:28:32 GMT

My cousin called a few weeks ago and, as is often the case, Mitchell
wanted to talk on the phone.  Well, Mark, being childlike himself, is terrific
with little kids and they adore him.  They talked longer than I would have
wanted but they seemed to be enjoying the conversation so I let it go on.

When I got the phone back, my cousin told me what had happened.

Mitchell:  And I got a new batman car and a purple batman and a silver batman 
	   and....
Mark:	Wow, pretty cool.  You know what's even cooler.
Mitchell:  What?
Mark:	That you have a Mom and Dad who love you and play with you and care
	for you.
Mitchell: Yeah, right!

Sarcasm at such a tender young age.  Cracked me up.  

Frankly, with all the mail going on about 4 YOs I wanted to say that while I
understand WHY people are frustrated by this age, I LOVE IT!!!!  But, then,
Mitchell was far more difficult at three than the books promised.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Logistics of travel to remote travel
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	We're contemplating a trip to Guanaha, a small island off the coast
of Hondoras (sp?) with our son who will be 9 months old then.  The resort
is small but has all the amenities.  However, there are no roads on the
island, much less a town or store to buy things we forget or run out of.
	So, how hard/impossible is this going to be to do.  Right now he uses
about 100 cloth diapers a week.  I assume that he'll use less then and 
he'll also be using disposables.  (Is this a correct assumption?  Food
wise, how much food does a 9 month old eat in a week?  I think we'd have
to bring all of that.  I'm wary of relying on the hotel to do so and
don't even know if they would.  By that age will he be eating finger
food yet like bananas and other fruits which the hotel would have?
	How about plane fare costs?  I know that for non-international flights
he'll be able to fly for free (on our laps).  Is this the same for
international flights?
	The doctor said that medically, any place that is safe for us is
okay for him as far as shots go in that region.  If we bring his food
than we don't have to worry about that.
	What about other stuff to amuse him?  How much luggage will that be?
Clothes will be minimal.  I would think he could play in the sand.
	Are we out of our minds to consider this?  We have a volunteer to
come along and baby-sit while we are diving, my mom.  If we don't want
to take him, she'll take care of him at home.  I just thought it would
be nice for all of us to go together.  Since I'm back at work, I don't
like the idea of leaving him for a whole week because our time together
is so limited.
	Comments?  Suggestions?

Thanks


Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: SR040224@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:11:52 GMT

I slept on a waterbed during my entire pregnancy.  Although I am more
comfortable sleeping on a waterbed in general, I believe it helped me
during the pregnancy, especially with back pain.  The heat from the
bed seemed to help too.  I asked my doctor during pregnancy if there was
any danger to the baby and he told me absolutely not.  Go ahead and
sleep on the waterbed.  You may find you enjoy it more than you think,
and if you are like me, may find it hard to sleep again on a firm
mattress.
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: They aren't young forever
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:07:32 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>I guess what I'm trying to say is that many of the problems of raising
>children pass quickly, but my feeling is that most of the joys last a lot
>longer.  Just my 2 pennies.

My son is 9 mos and the joys far outweigh the problems for us.  I am
sure I am going to miss him being a baby as he grows older.


-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com