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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses (Toro)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:55:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Sep2.173054.137011@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

+>>On related topics: what exactly happened to Toro?
+>>What other Marvel stiffs are untouchable?  I'd guess Uncle Ben, and um...
+>>well, I can't really think of anyone else after the Parker Parents fiasco.

+>Unless there was some sort of retcon, Toro died in Sub-Mariner #14 (1969)
+>while saving Namor from being attacked (can't remember by who).

	The mad thinker raised the original human torch from the dead
in FF. Ann. 4.  Toro saw a report about the Torch dying in a newspaper
(the Fantastic Four reported it I guess).  Toro tried to investigate
what had happened and was captured by the Thinker.

	The thinker brainwashed him into thinking he was the original torch
and the thinkers willing slave.  He fought the Sub-mariner for a while
and then broke free of the Thinkers control.  He then decided to avenge
the torch by going after the thinker and flew into the engines of the 
thinkers craft.  The craft exploded killing Toro.


	As to Toro being untouchable, they used to say that about Wonder
Man and the original Human torch as well.





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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Comic Writers' Workshop
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 04:01:23 GMT

The Comics Writers' Workshop has been running for about two weeks, and for one
reason or another, the group now has a limited number of openings.

The group (ComicW-L) is moderated by Bill Hayes, the moderator of the wildly
popular Comics-L comics mailing list.

The goal of the group is to help each other learn the art and craft of writing
for illustrated media.  This is not a group for wimps, however!  We expect
a good deal of work from each of our members (perhaps one reason why there are
now spaces available).

If you are interested in joining the group (limited to the vicinity of 12-15
participants) and can handle:

	-  constructive criticism
	-  40 or more mail messages per day
	-  critiquing stories on an almost daily basis
	-  writing about 2,000 words every four weeks or so

Then you'll be interested in the Workshop.

To apply, please send a short (one page or so) biography (including birthdate)
and a 500 word sample of your comic book writing (whether a full script
excerpt or proposal) to:

	ianr012@unlvm.unl.edu
			(DO NOT REPLY TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS MESSAGE!)

And Bill will let you know as soon as he can.

Space is limited, so get the fingers clicking!

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Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
6 more days and all Hell breaks loose
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be Unleashed on the Net
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:30:24 GMT

In article <QebxMxC00VpdELulBP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 29-Aug-92 Unrepentant Heresy
>About To.. Jason Lee Smith@andrew.c (1290)
>> 	Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created.
>
>Such promising flamebait. :-)

But, but... what about the character who appeared in a one-page cameo in a
recent issue of Suicide Squid?  It was a fisherman who was using clotted nasal
mucous for bait.
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: Grimjack Fans
Keywords: Marvel
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:30:23 GMT

In article <BtqCDy.BF7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> creeper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wolfgang Kies) writes:
>
>	I don't know if this is the right place to post this since
>I have been off of the net for the summer but I got a question. 
>Has anyone seen the add for Ravage 2099. I ask this because to me it looks
>just like the Jim Twilley incarnation of Grimjack. What I wanna know
>is it legal for Marvel to do this? I mean The guy's almost a carbon
>copy. I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I had to bring 
>it up. I really can't say anything else because I haven't read the
>book , but looks alone. well.. you get the meaning.

You're right, and I think it was brought up.  Should be interesting to see
what happens if DC *does* pick up GrimJack (and Badger) like the rumors say
they already have (due for scheduled printing in Spring 1993).

--dave
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From: nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB (was Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:45:14 GMT

jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>Supposedly
>sometime next month (checking watch to make sure it's still technically
>August) Jaka's Story will be released. That one's a doozy and worth every
>penny. (I ordered the $50 signed and limited edition two years ago and have
>absolutely no regrets. The regular edition is $25.)  Then Melmoth will be
>released in December. 

FYI.  I picked up _Jaka's Story_ and _Melmoth_ from my local comic book
store last week, so these should be available already in most cities.  I
payed $20 for each.       

Also, Dave Sims is going to start a signing tour soon, or already has started.
I think I expect him here in Lake Charles at the beginning of next year. 
-- 
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nectar@world.std.com	   |  earth's pores ought to suffice, and things
			   |  have learnt to walk that ought to crawl."
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From: andrewh@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RE: cable
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:05:53 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I mean only to poke fun at X-Force; no offense, intended, poster.
>I have a few questions about cable?
>1.what is his orgin?
	Far in the future, in an alternate dimension, a man was beaten near to 
death by a pack of bloodthirsty thugs. Fortunately, a wise, old, bearded man
took him in, rebuilt his body with spare cybernetic parts, and taught him the 
Arts of War, and trained him in karate, ninjitsu, computer hacking, 
demolitions, small arms fire, laser guns, rocket launchers, helicopter flying, 
UFO flying, assorted Houdini tricks, electronics repair, propulsionary drive 
repair, and, most importantly, the manly trait of Leadership.  For this, the 
man known as Nathan Winters was grateful (but by then his hair was gray and 
balding). Throughout his education Cable, as his mentor affectionately
christened him, was taught to stand up for himself and for the Good of 
the Universe. Just before the Good mentor was killed by the Nazis of the
future, he gave Cable the mission of protecting the universe from those who
wanted to destroy it so that they could rule Time itself. "What arrogance!"
Cable thought to himself as he pictured the evil-doers plotting to conquer
Time, "I must stop them before someone gets killed."
	So Cable inherited his mentor's time-traveling devices, met Domino, the
pale half-naked babe, who was as tough as he was, and there he was, fighting a 
war across time zones in order to protect the Status Quo.
> 2.Who is he.
	A big lug.
> 3.what has he came back to the past for.
	To save the world. 
> 4. what connections does cable and stryfe have.
	They hate each other. Stryfe cloned Cable's body, cybernetics and all,
	in order to besmirch Cable's good name.
> 5. Is he cyclops'son nathan christphor summers?
	No, that's Professor X. 
	Seriously, X-Force is boring because it presents a simplistic world 
view.  On one side are the Good Guys: victimized yet strong, indomitable yet 
merciful, warlike yet wanting peace.  On the other are the Bad Guys: power 
hungry, crazy, bloodthirsty, greedy, uncharitable, unknowable.  And, as if the 
world could be saved singlehandedly with all the problems and catastrophes that
really do exist and persevere. (war,famine,crushing poverty,....) Comics are 
better when their characters are realistic.
Andrew Hagen                             	andrewh@yang.earlham.edu
Earlham College		Richmond, IN     
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 20:20:55 -0400 
From: Eric Thomas Pronko <ep1d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES (Jester)

but what about the xmen series???

not that you know but someone should as this is a pretty informed group

eric

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check is in the mail.  Groove is in the heart.
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ep1d+@andrew.cmu.edu       |   blah blah blah
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.715025997
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>Well, I've certainly not found that to be the case.  There's
>lots of discussion about Marvel's books, esp. lately the
>Infinity War stuff. 

And what has that been?  Someone asks about the Infinity War, I forget
who, and the next couple posts are "Infinity War I can't believe you
read that crap thank god i'm not stupid enough to waste my money on
that shit like you by gum what has the world come to?"  And now that's
being argued.
-- 
"A programmer," he said with obvious amazement, is the sort of person "who
drinks Coke in the morning." -- Boston Globe
From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.001424.20588@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes...
>The face of Doom has been speculated on for many years. One of them is
>that Doom isn't really hideous scarred, but is just increadiably vain.
>The explosion that maimed him actually only put a small scar on him, but
>because he was so vain about his looks he decided he was scarred
>forever.
> 

The above is probably not true, since nowadays artists are always drawing
what can be seen through Doom's eyeholes--it looks kind of bubbly under
there. Hideous.

DN
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From: ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: r.a.comics to be rmgrouped Sept. 30.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:26:38 GMT

29 days and counting until this group is rmgrouped!  Bug your local sysadmin
to switch over the new heirarchy today!

  - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)

"Nanoviruses:  They grow on ya."  - Dirty Pair IV:  Sim Hell #2
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: tukki.OTTO.92Aug26020800
	<1992Aug20.182039.25155@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<170qrvINN30e@network.ucsd.edu>
	<1992Aug21.124448.12582@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company

In article <1992Aug21.124448.12582@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g) writes:
   The second book from Apocalypse was THE HATEFUL DEAD which is continued
   in the new Dark Horse book SUPER BABYLON.

Let's talk about the books for a moment instead of the publishers.

Who thinks that "Super Babylon" was not as good as "Hateful Dead" ?
The plotting isn't as tight, less real humor (as opposed to pulling
limbs off), and even the artwork seems to be a bit weaker...
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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Re: !mpact postmortem
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:48:51 GMT


Could someone be so kind to tell me exactly what is going to happen to
the Impact books.  I'm usually the last to here of info anyway.

As for the line itself, yay, it had potential.  THe Jaguar was becoming
somewhat monotonous; I'm glad she's getting axed.  The Black Hood and
The Web were also disappointments, but everything else was fine.

Charles Gibbs
gibbsc@ac.grin.edu
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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Re: Late Comics.
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:54:05 GMT

Jed Bowtell writes
> The Godzilla color special by Art Adams is pretty late as well.
> 
> Jed

John Byrne's Last Galactus Story is a bit behind as well (unless I missed  
it).
From: w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RE: Superman's Death
Date: 4 SEP 92 12:39:46 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

I'm not sure how they're going to arrange it yet, but don't worry...
I can guarantee you this won't be the end of Superman!




_______________________________________________________________

Jim Cook
W95_COOK@wums.wustl.edu

_______________________________________________________________
From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Legion of Network Heroes - The Triumphant Return (Jester)
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:07:07 GMT


	Alas, Incredible Unsleeping Man here, while our summer hiatus was
	in effect, I WAS PUT ASLEEP by that evil-doer of Network Villians,
	Dr. Boring.  Yes, I slept from May to August.  Not having any 
	school work/reports to do which give me my powers of rest-resistance,
	I was succeptable to the dastardly woes of Dr. Boring, who when the
	time was right hit me with his Blah-Blah Ray, thus sending me into
	an extended catatonic state much like hybernation.  Only recently,
	with the arival of my Fall School Schedule, and the incessant return
	of thousands of college students, did I awaken.  Only to realize what
	had become of my weary existence for three short months.  Just today,
	I say a posting for LNHers.  I am here to say - WHADIMISS, WHADIMISS -
	With the new semester already upon me, I have returned to my ever
	vigilant state of unsleepiness.  That evil fiend Dr. Boring lurks 
	somewhere, maybe on your campus or in your office.  Look for these 
	unique traits which will most assuredly reveal his evil presence.

		1. An uncanny reference to events which happened 5-10 years
		   ago.

		2. The continous monotone slur which is unrecognizable as 
		   English or any other Latin derivative.

		3. Making fanfare over events which seem beyond trivial or
		   mundane. i.e., "Hey gang, how's about we all go to lunch
		   together today; how's Mickey Dees sound."

		4. Use of explatives which are older than the clothes he 
		   wears.  Super, groovy, hip, etc.


		5. Long narratives on "areas of interest" which sometimes 
		   confuse him.

	His final and most despicable trait, TELLING A JOKE, INCORRECTLY, AND
	FORGETTING THE PUNCHLINE.  ARRGH!!!! Beware fellow LNHers, he is 
	still at large. 

	Incidentally, did anyone ever compose a revised/current list of heroes?


			Incredible Unsleeping Man
			aka - Jester
			aaka -  Steve Husty
			aaaka -  Moron
			occasionally referred to as - Hey you
From: yin@spidey.EBay.Sun.COM (Yinpo Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Comic & Star Trek Con
Date: 28 Aug 1992 00:11:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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From: jwu@zeus.calpoly.edu (John Shih Jen Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:16:26 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Aug25.100856.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>Unspecified?  From the TPB edition of Season of Mists, it seems pretty
>apparent that Dream will replace the bound Susan-Thingie with a dream image,
>and that Loki is born into an oriental child.
You are half right. Loki was not reborn as an oriental child.
That was Nada.

-- 
=========================================================================
John S. Wu (Engr Mgt. / Mech Engr) ===>  jwu@nyx.calpoly.edu
California Polytechnic State Univ., School of Business, MBA Program 
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Batman (AZRAEL)
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:37:38 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug29.193914.21936@cse.uta.edu> by hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter):

> I think it's a four-issue series.  I haven't bought a Batman title

    It is definitely a 4-issue series.

> Because I'm not a regular Bat-reader I was surprised by the active
> role Alfred played in the story.  Is this usual these days?

    Yes.

> David Hunter
--
*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: Sandamn: I need a reminder
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.174708.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) writes:
>	Yeah.  I can help you out.  I can help the guys who think Loki was
>reincarnated as an oriental child, too.
>	REREAD THE FREAKING BOOK!
>	Geez, I stop posting the Annotated Sandman for a couple of months and
>everyone goes Alzheimers on me...
>	:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Now, now.  It could be worse.  People could be asking just what is this new
comic out of the UK about Jean-Claude SanDamn and why is he drawn with dark
hair and a thin body, totally unlike his screen persona.  :)
From: burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jonathan Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Poodlums (was Re: Marvel Bashing)
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:48:27 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


In article <92244.104307U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
(Douglas P. Wojtowicz.) writes:

> I just love the characterization and friendship between Iceman and Bishop.
> ("You wouldn't last five minutes in the XCE."  Wasn't this line is some
> piece of heresy called Yakblood or something?) 


HERESY??? _Yakblood_ was _Poodlums_ #4, infant. WITH the Dave Stevens
art. The one where we get to see "Philly" Mignon in the bubblebath...

How did it go? Yeah, this is where the Tibetan monk, Longgon Yak, gets
kidnapped by Guinness Stoat and Co, from under the nose of Helena
Blavatsky, no less. But not before he fakes his own murder with some
Tantrik Yoga and a ceremonial Malayan _kris_, so as to involve the
suspicions of Gat Parrot, The Hard-Nosed Detective.

Kerowksi, Philly and Snooks get drawn in by the usual outrageous
accidents, and finally face down Guinness in the Metropolitan
Museum's basement. But before this, there's a great scene with Longgon
and Gat held captive in an attic, guarded by the magnificently-
constructed Poule de Luxe, doing her Mae West best. "You must keep
her distracted for five minutes" says the inscrutable Yak. "Put forth
your manly persuasions, ho ho."

There follows a duel between Poule's innuendo and Gat's consumnate
lack of charm. At the moment of truth ("C'mere honey, lemme show ya
a li'l hen jive") he bolts for the attic, where Longgon, having
done an excruciatingly-rendered Houdini through the 1' x 1' window,
is preparing to leave by the fire-escape.

"Hey, never let a frail get in charge" mutters Gat, lighting one.

"You wouldn't have lusted five minutes in the Yaks, sissy" is
the reply.


 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au| On my granda-momma's oldio piazzica
Computer Science Dept | With the whistle of the B and O
La Trobe University   | Booting out a obligatti-gattigo!  - LaFemme et Owl, '51
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Who left the necklace?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:01:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.102422.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>I read a lot of my Sandmen again, trying to see who the mystery girl
>could have been.  The negative clues are huge:  some are ruled out by still
>being around (Nuala), others are ruled out by being listed as 'other' past
>romances (Nada, Calliope, etc.).
>
>It looks like Gaiman is playing "Stump the Fanboy".
>Hopefully, Delerium will get Dream to open up while they wander, but it
>may take a while.

Argh.  She's Mathilda Entwhistle, and she appears in the volume "Memories of a
Lost Midwinter's Angst", now expurgated from the Library of Dreams.

Btw, the work is fictional and was not written by Neil Gaiman, as the author
died seven years ago soon after dreaming the work.

[If you believed that, do you think you could part with a substantial portion
of your life savings to someone else?  Say, me, for instance?]
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: New Doom Patrol?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:53:19 GMT

The lettercol for #60 tells who the new writer will be.  I can't recall off 
hand (it wasn't anyone I'd ever heard of before), but she's an award-winning 
poet I think they said.  I'll dig up my copy tonight and answer if no one else 
does.
     Dave Van Domelen, scatterbrained but not scattergunned
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