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From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream of mountain and jun
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:31:00 GMT
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Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 

jalea@iat.holonet.net (Jackie McClure) writes:

JM>I've been having this reoccurring dream of mountains and jungle forabout the
JM>t year. I'm hiking across a flimsy rope bridge that's
JM>suspended about 5 centimeters above a broad lake. The air is hot and
JM>very humid. Dense green jungle surrounds the lake, thick with creepers
JM>and the calls of birds. The lake is black, almost opaque. I stop a
JM>moment to adjust my pack and admire the snow capped mountains that
JM>loom up beyond the jungle. The thought of all that snow makes me so
JM>thirsty. I know it's a bad idea but I bend down to scoop up a handful
JM>of brackish water to drink. There, in the water I see a severed arm
JM>floating like a pale fish beneath the bridge. A voice says "We killed
JM>him. We punished him for breaking his covenant with the lake." I turn
JM>and there's a young boy next to me. He's about 6 years old and is
JM>dressed in ragged cutoff jeans and a tattered red tshirt. He sort of
JM>looks like me ( I guess how my son would look if I had one). He stretchsout
JM>hand and says "Come on, I'll take you to my mother." And the
JM>dream ends. What the heck does this mean ? Why do I keep having it ?
JM>I'm open to any ideas.

Are you planning on having children?  How old are you?  I believe this
dream expresses an unconscious desire to have children, despite what you
may currently be thinking/planning.

You admire the view of the mountains -- they symbolize your conscious
aspirations.  But you become thirsty and drink from the black lake (a
very overt symbol of the unconscious).  Then the boy who *looks like
your son* appears and says he'll take you to his mother.  Very
suggestive, no?

M.
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 . SLMR 2.1a . OK, I give up!  Where's my beer?!?!
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream/Reality
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:35:25 GMT

arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith) writes:

>But that's just a side issue.  I was reading one of the sci.skeptic posts
>where someone was refuting someone else's claim that it was easy to tell
>dream from reality.  (I didn't read the names)  Anyway, the refuter
>mentioned that he often had dreams where he would get up, dress, eat, go
>to work, and *then* wake up.  (Usually saying something along the lines of
>"Oh, man, I gotta do that *again?*")  Sometimes these dreams would get
>three levels deep.

I had a five-level-deep one once when I was little.  Every time I
woke up, there would be something slightly wrong with my room.  At
one level there was a ghostlike creature standing in the corner
wearing sunglasses.

>I have also experienced the opposite phenomenon, where I am awake
>but it feels like I'm dreaming.  Usually I either have just woken up or
>have been sitting down giving rapt attention to a fiction book I was
>reading.  Then I stand up.  My blood mass stays at it's previous level,
>though, so my brain doesn't get enough oxygen and I'm convinced I'm
>dreaming (or that what I'm experiencing is *not* reality)  Then my
>cardiovascular system picks up and I suddenly realize that where I am *is*
>real. ("Oh, man...")

That happens to me too... it's a consequence of low blood pressure.
I never got the feeling that I was dreaming, though, just that I
was on the verge of fainting.  Everything becomes purple and
grainy.

-- 
Matt McIrvin  mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dgerke@IMD.Sterling.COM (Deb Gerke)
Subject: Re: Date in Your Dreams? -Impossible!
Keywords: Date, Dreams
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:41:33 GMT
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From: jones@cfa.harvard.edu (Mark Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Jewelry Dream
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:34:19 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

Several people have wondered about the ripping in Kevin Eckert's dream:

  	A couple nights ago I dreamed I was in a jewelry shop near
  closing time.  A friend of mine (don't remember who it was, just 
  "a friend") owned the shop.  I asked him, looking around the store
  at the bracelets, watches, etc., if he had any trouble with robberies.
  "Oh no!" he answered.  He had solved that problem by somehow concentrating
  the entire material wealth of the store into one gold/diamond encrusted 
  earring.  He then put the earring on when he left the store, and no one
  would ever suspect (pretty sneaky, don't you think?).  Anyway, in the 
  dream  he proceeded to do his jewelry miniturazation trick since it was 
  quittin' time.  Then, I guess to drive his point home, he proceeded to 
  clip the earring to MY ear!!  As in real life, in the dream my ear wasn't
  pierced beforehand, so when my friend put the earring on it really hurt.
  Then we left the shop and were walking down a city street.  While walking
  and noticing the passers-by I asked my friend if anyone had tried to steal
  the earring while it was on his ear.  "Oh yes!"  he replied, sometimes the
  earring is ripped off right through the lobe (I'm positive that I saw this
  happen to someone in a movie, can anyone help?).  So now I'm walking down
  the street paranoid that someone will do this to me.  I woke up before 
  anything else happened ....


This is a dream about stealing.

We have to (h)ear it aright.
The dreamer takes an earring from a jewelry store.

He receives a clip on the ear which "really hurt".
Punishment for stealing ?

At the end of the dream, the dreamer is scared that he is going to be
stolen from - ripped off.

Language, guilt and fear gave rise to these dream images.

Mark Jones
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: re: falling in dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:46:14 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

the feeling that you are falling in a dream, which often leads to an awakening
with a start, is called a repercussion.  one may or may not experience crashing
to the bottom or the water or whatever one is falling over.  i believe it to be
caused by the dream body reentering the physical.  (i have had one experience
in which i lay down trying to induce an out of body experience and, though i
lost consciousness, i awoke thanks to a rather uncomfortable repercussion).
some (all?) flying dreams also can be attributed to actual dream-body activity.

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:29:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165415.4302@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
>For me, then, the choice is among alt.oobe, alt.obe, and alt.out-of-body.

I would probably prefer alt.obe . Authors have used OBE as an acronym for
Out of Body Experience as well as OOBE, and it is not uncommon to throw out 
words like "of" ,"for", and "the" in order to arrive at concise acronyms. 
ie. The Society for Psychical Research is called simply SPR. I think only 
those words which would be capitalized in a title are typically the ones whose 
letters would be used in forming an acronym. 

Just a thought...
Jeff
From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Rather Emotional Dream
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:20:35 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Jul21.125722.8298@ncsu.edu> echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.182637.51584@qut.edu.au> heard@qut.edu.au writes:
>>In article <1992Jul17.135933.20518@ms.uky.edu>, wills@ms.uky.edu 
>>(Will Young) writes:
>>> Hello,
>>> 	Here is a dream that I had one afternoon that I wouldn't mind having
>>> an interpertation on.  Its just something that was different about the idea
>> (edited)
>>The word "Kaloka" has a number of possibilities. To me 
>>it has echos of 
>>
>>-- Kayak (as in your sig file)
>>-- Kentucky (your university, Home too?)
>> (edited)
>>-- Possible others: use your imagination.
>>
>
>My first impression on reading Kaloka was
>to think of "mazurka".

Then I also thought of "cloaca".  If you
had perhaps seen the word in a biology
class and made an association with sex or the
anus.  (BTW, humans don't have a cloaca.)

I love word games, so an open-ended
invitation to making word associations
sends my mind into a pleasant spin  :-) 
>
>>
>>Take care
>>Ronno
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>For dreams and reason, against authority and untested beliefs.
>
>
>-- 
>--------------------
>Craig Hyatt
>NCSU@Raleigh, NC USA
>echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu
>--------------------


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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones,AMJ1,)
Subject: Re: Glasses dream!!
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:26:36 GMT

John P. Doherty writes:

>I have this curious dream that I have recently realised seems to have
>occured a couple of times. I wear glasses, and in my dream my glasses
>always (a) break (b) get scratched irreperably or (c) when I clean
>them with a cloth in the dream the lens sometimes rips like paper.
>This is a most interesting thing. I can't attribute anything 
>relevant from my conscious mind. The glasses incidence probably
>occurs as a small part of larger dream experience (which is unique
>each time), but I can't remember the scenario. My only hunch
>was that it was some fear that I might be going blind , but my eyesight
>is not very bad. Interested if anyone has any suggestions, but without
>any additional relevant information, I suppose it would be difficult
>to attribute any significance.

Wow, that's really weird - I seem to have an infrequently re-occurring dream
very similar, but about contact lenses!  There are always a lot of them around,
but they're all different sizes, and always very dirty.  BTW, my eyesight *is*
pretty bad.

I ain't gotta clue what it all means!

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kelly@spyro.cray.com (Matt Kelly (4274))
Subject: OBE?
Summary: OBE?
Keywords: OBE?
Distribution: alt.dreams
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:24:03 CDT


Hello all,


I've been reading this newsgroup for quite some time now.  Fascinating!!!!

I dream very vividly virtually every night.  Also, I remember my dreams very
well.  I have never had any trouble with this.  I wouldn't even have to keep
a dream diary if one were needed!  My dreams are quite varied in nature and
are interesting to say the least.  More on that in future postings.

Anyway, my question:

I occasionally have an odd dream, occuring during midday naps (rarely at night).In this "dream", I feel like I am awake.  The room is the same, I can see 
myself lying down, etc.  Then, thinking that I'm awake, try to sit up.  My
body feels really wierd, then I realize that I'm still lying down.  At that
point I realize that it's another one of these wierd dreams (I am able to 
dream lucidly anyway, and this is a fool-proof trigger), and I lay back down,
close my eyes, and within a short time, I wake up into the real world.

Is my sitting up the first step to an OBE?  I've read about "rolling out", and
I wonder if I "rolled out" of my body instead of sitting or standing up, would
I enter an OBE state?

I feel this would be very scary, and I may not ever try it.  Just curious, I
guess.

As I mentioned before, I have dreamed lucidly quite often, although not latelly.For me, it is fairly easy, because I occasionally go through periods where I
have recurring dreams.  These are easy triggers for lucidity, and they have
worked beautifully for me.  I have never tried any other kind of trigger, but
since I haven't had recurring dreams for a long time, I'll have to come up
with one.

Any comments about the possible OBE I mentioned would be most appreciated.


Pleasant dreams,

Matt

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From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: LUCIDLY DREAMING THAT YOUR DREAMING
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:45:01 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

While I regularly have lucid dreams, my lucid dreams are B-O-R-I-N-G!
Two examples:
  The MOST boring occurred in college.  I went to bed at 3:00 or 4:00 AM, and
  set my alarm clock for 9:00 AM for class.  The ENTIRE DREAM consisted of
  the image of my digital clock (complete with pulsing seconds-dot) progressing
  from the current time through 8:59 AM.  In what seemed to be REAL TIME.
  When the clock (in my dream) reached 8:59 AM, I awoke staring at my (actual)
  clock.  It was 8:59 AM.  A minute later, the alarm rang.  Talk about a DULL
  DREAM!  The pitiful thing was, the entire time (HOWEVER long the dream
  ACTUALLY unfolded) I realized that I was asleep.  AARRRGGGHH

  Another hideous one consisted of a ridiculously-long dream wherein I 'watched'
  two adjacent bytes of a memory chip increment from 0 to FFFF over & over.
  The entire time, I was 'thinking' that I couldn't wait to wake up, so I
  could change the increment value.

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Ford)
Subject: Re: Being shot in dreams
Reply-To: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:14:26 +0000


I had a dream a couple of nights ago where someone I was outside the place
that I work 'facing off' someone with a knife in each hand. For some reason
I knew I was of oriental origin (I'm not, in reality). I bent over, still
looking at my opponent and removed my shoes (cheep ones I noticed). We were
both defensive but occasionally one of us would attack. On one of his attacks
I felt one knife partially slice through my hand and knew the shoe was
partially sliced by the feel of it in my hand. I didn't look at the hand but
could feel blood slowly dripping off it. I felt no pain when the knife sliced
it (indeed I felt no pain at all.) This dream was strange in so far as usually
when I fight in a dream my movements are very sluggish and difficult, but this
time they were 'normal'. The person I was facing off was a reasonable friend
from school who I have not seen in a couple of years.
Just thoght I'd mention it. :-)

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From: pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul vader)
Subject: Dreamlight
Originator: pv@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:58:13 GMT

Since you are the first person here to mention owning a Dreamlight,
could you please summarize some of the features of the device? The
ad was long on the benefits of Lucid dreaming, and very short on nuts
and bolts technical info. For example; exactly what does the PC
interface actually do? PV
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: m22257@mitre.org (Jeff Correia)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:35 GMT

I read an article about a proposed experiment which inspired a scene in a
recent movie.  In the movie, a group of people is trapped under water and
in the course of seeking an escape, they have to go to unreasonable depths
to retrieve some piece of equipment or something.  Anyhow, the method they
use (the one I read had been proposed) was to fill a diving suit with a
highly oxygenated fluid similar to amniatic (sp??) fluid, (found in the
womb).  We breathe "underwater" effectively for the first 9 months of our
lives (no flames from the supreme court please! :-) ).  It seems reasonable
that we must have some subconcious imprint of how to do this somewhere.  I
wonder if breathing underwater in dreams (or at least the recognition of
the sense of the feeling of being able to do this) is associated with that
early time of life?  Any ideas??

Jeff
From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Date in Your Dreams? -Impossible!
Keywords: Date, Dreams
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:48:01 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:

>Guys and Gals:

>   Whenever you are dreaming - did you ever notice that it is very
>hard to determine the date of the dream itself -- sure, pick up a newspaper,
>a calendar or anything - the year will usually be blurry or not there.

>   Not so last night --

>   I had received today's mail, and somehow I knew I was dreaming -- I didn't
>have the heart to look at the postmark, but one of the letters had a check in it.
>I opened that letter, and it was a refund check for $393.93 - dated (which I 
>had an hard time reading the year!) 6-13-33!!!!!! I'm only 24 years old, being
>born in 1967. Does that dream tell me I'll get $393 when I am 66 years old?

>- Scott



Scott,  Maybe you should go to library and see if you can find some newspapers
and read what was happening on that date.  maybe you could ask your parents
or grandparents if they remember anything significant at that time! 

There seem to be an awful lot of threes and multiples of three in these
numbers, is this number significant for you?


I hope some of this useful for you 

Henric Beiers
henricb@rmit.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: browntf@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd f)
Subject: Re: Dream Machines (was Re: Achieving Lucidity)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:27:09 GMT

ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-) writes:

>There's a lucid dream machine being produced here in the UK, too. It isn't
>available yet, but will be soon. Unlike the LI machine, it is based on the
>premise that there are some nerves on the wrist which are particularly
>sensitive to the dreaming mind. It's been designed by Dr Keith Hearne, the
>chap who first demonstrated lucid dreaming. This machine detects REM sleep 
>through eye movement, breath rate, and heartbeat and then shocks these wrist
>nerves at a level preset by the user. This apparently gets transmitted to
>the brain & the mind both, increasing the degree of awareness in the dreamer,
>until a lucid dream is acheived. It too wakes you after REM sleep for
>transcription, and Hearne claims 70% success after a few days. The thing even
>has a Modem attachment so that you  can signal when you get lucid, and it 
>will call a predesignated friend with same machine, and make his machine give
>the lucidity signals. At some #600 pounds sterling, however, I feel it's
>unlikely to save you much on phone bills.


I remember reading about Dr Keith Hearne's work with lucid dreaming.
I had heard that he had given up on producing a public version of his
lucid dream induction device.  I am glad to hear that he is making one
available.

Could you please post an address in the UK that I could write to get 
more information (also purchase information) about Dr Hearne's lucid
dream induction device?  Do you have any idea what method he uses to
detect REM?  Thank you very much.

BTW:  About how much these days is "#600 pounds sterling" in American
Dollars?


Michael Shea
browntf@seq.uncwil.edu

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: art chan <art@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: alt.dreams
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:07:43 PDT

Hello all. I wanted to know if anyone else have had the same experiences as 
I have had in the past couple of years. Sometimes when I lay to sleep, 
usually within an hour or two of sleeping, I suddenly become almost half 
awake, but I feel that I cannot get up, rather that I am stuck in the 
current position by some unexplainable force of some sort. I am almost aware 
of these occurences now when they happen. Its always the same...frozen in 
place and I hear a buzzing in my ear. Strange, huh?

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: alt.dreams
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:39:59 GMT

In <1992Jul24.224220.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> ...it could be the prelude to an out of body experience...
> ...in that state you are also potentially receptive to visions
> and other neat other-worldly stuff.

One of the topics I hope we can discuss, once we figure out what to call
the OBE newsgroup is just how "other-worldly" the experience might be.

I've long felt that it would be useful to bring a bit more rigor to some
of these discussions, and to help one another do some careful investigations.
Sure, it's fun to share experiences, and to speculate about their meaning,
but I'd also like to do such things as to construct a bibliography of the
best literature on whatever subject we're investigating, and then set about
talking carefully about what's been written, and combining it with our own
personal experience and opinions about their significance.

As I mentioned over a year ago, when there was a lot of discussion of the
out-of-body experience, most of us seem to talk about various phenomena
which occur while our minds and bodies are "asleep," including dreaming,
lucid dreaming and having OBEs as if they're yet another form of entertain-
ment, kind of like watching television, and we're interested in finding out
what's on various channels.  Is anyone besides myself interested in seeing
what we can learn about ourselves by pondering the implications of being
able to do such things?

I think the most fascinating of these topics is the OBE one, of course,
though various kinds of dreaming are interesting in their own way.  I
look forward to a far-ranging discussion, but I hope it will also be
possible to delve into the phenomenon in a careful enough way to allow
us to try to make some sense of the various implications of whatever it
might be we're dealing with here.
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