HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:31:39 GMT

I'd like to tell you a real story here:

    It was very long ago when I was still a pup in a primary school. As everyone 
of your knows, there were always some kinds of so called "contrast the past misery
with present happiness" meeting organized by the school at that time. 

Once we wentto a commune with the name Danan Gongshe (I forget sometimes even 
names of some friends but I really don't know why I still remember the name 
of this commune, though I was only 8 or 9 years old.) to listen to an old aunt 
telling us about her misery life in the vicious "old society". 

In my memory she was on a stage facing a great
deal of pupils (incl. me) and took a whole afternoon to describe (with tears
grief and indignation how her mother tried to deceive her and her sisters to eat
the flesh she brought them by saying it was pork. They tried it and found it had
some tart flavour and hence questioned their mother the reason. As the mother saw
that she couldn't conceal the fact she told them it was the flesh of their
grandmother.... At this moment the kindly old aunt count continue. She was
oversad.   Upon hearing this the thought of the horror scene made my flesh
creep and at the same time I saw that sobs shook the bodies of many pups. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@ee.rochester.edu (Ming Yu)
Subject: Advices needed for applying F-1 visa
Summary: looking for suggestions on F-1 application
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:35:42 GMT

Hi, networkers,

  I have a relative who got admitted by a us college as a third year 
transffered undergraduate student. I persuaded a friend sponsering 
his coming ( signed a I-134 form of course ). I actually will pay his
expenses. Now he is going to apply for a F-1 visa at Beijing US ambassy.

 But I heard there are lot of similiar cases  denied by US ambassy,
while I also know there are lots of young people do get Visa in the
similiar circumstances. Here I am writing this to ask those people who
succeeded or has experince to give me some advices or may tell their
stories. Basically I want to know:
 [1] what basic documents shall he bring with ? Is that neccesary to
     have a financial statment (like bank statement) together with
     the I-134 form ?
 [2] What questions are supposed to be asked by the consuls ?
 [3] Your kind suggestions on how to answer them ?

 Thank you in advance.

			     //mei yue//
From: nicoleq@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nicole Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Insurance
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:30:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX



I am a F-1 student and my mother will come to visit me recently.  
I want to buy a health insurance for her. Any information about
insurance for relatives of F-1 Chinese student will be very much
appreciated.  Please forward the information to me:
nicoleq@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

many thanks in advance.
From: nil@aber.ac.uk (Nigel Lueng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Pin-up U-turn
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:27:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Peking: (Reuter)
Scantily clad girls may soon return to the walls of Chinese homes and
offices.  In a further step away from socialism, the Press and
Publications Administration has lifted a ban on calendars featuring
women in bikinis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.travel.air
From: zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo)
Subject:  Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:56:45 GMT

I am planing to have a round trip to 
China and I will transfer my flight 
at HongKong airport. Do I need to apply
a HongKong visa if I just stay in airport
? I hold a Chinese passport. Thanks for
any help.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lug@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Subject: Re: Hazard of smoking after sex
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:20:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.235734.25334@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.053316.11904@news.cs.brandeis.edu>  
|> xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> > In article <1992Aug10.090807.7859@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul  
|> Smee) writes:
|> > >I picked this one up from Simon Hoggart's column in the Observer
|> > >yesterday.  He claims it made the news last week, though I missed it.
|> > >Good enough to pass on, though.
|> > >
|> > >A couple returning from Margate on the train made love twice in full
|> > >view of the other passengers.  They were only stopped, and subsequently
|> > >arrested, afterwards, when they had the temerity to light a cigarette
|> > >in a non-smoking compartment.
|> > >
|> > >-- 
|> > >Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
|> > > P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
|> 
|> This is the perfect example of the difference between law and moral  
|> restriction.
|> 
|> Carl

It seems to me that this is a typical westen humor story. A piece of News? Give me a breake.  I think I
read it in a chinese magzine years ago.
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <21AUG199215171334@rigel.tamu.edu> y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN) writes:
->In article <BtCn5H.FKK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes...
->>/* From the keyboard of ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) */:
->>:
->>:At least fewer people will end up behind bars, because of their views. 
->> 
->>Please use 'less people' instead of 'fewer people'. 
->>Use 'less' with something uncountable and 'few' something countable. 
->>e.g. 'Fewer cars, less trafic'. 
->> 
->>-- 
->>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
->>mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
->>InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5
->
->Mr. Xiaofei, 
->I think you are wrong here. "People" is a countable word, so "few people" or 
->"fewer people" is a correct. 
                      ~~~~~~~
->
->yz

Well, I think XiaoFei is right.  "People" is not a countable noun.
But it's been used quite often as a countable noun.  Anyway, the
distinction there is not really that critical.  But using "correct"
as a countable noun?  Where did you learn such usage?

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The address: Chinese Consulate in New York City
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:19:27 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Many netters asked me the same question.  Here is the address:

Consulate General of PRC
520 12th Ave.
New York, NY 10036

Attn. Visa Office
M-F 9-4
(212)330-7409
        -7410


Cheers!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
    <1992Aug19.193326.7263@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:08:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:


>Why should Japan apologize first? It makes no sense! Since China had also done
>terrible things to Korea in the past, Why should we wait after Japan's apology?

>It is really an interesting phenomenon. We want Japan's apology and in the  
>meantime reluctant to apologize to Korea. No wonder why Japan doesn't want to  
>apologize.

Sounds like you are a chinese. Then you apology first.

>Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Grammer Problem
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:20:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.225405.11998@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <5499@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:
>>All the observation about son, daughter, parents relationship, and parents
>>-in-laws abridged.
>>
>>Two people wrote: (with light editing of grammeric mistakes)
>
>Here is another grammer problem.  :-)
>
>"I don't think it is uncommon." "No, of course not." 
>
>If I understand it right, the second person was saying that "it" WAS COMMON.
>Am I right?
>
..............

Irrelevant stuff deleted

Well, I think you are right. Here is a neat way to decipher this kind of
sentences:

A: I don't think it's...
B: Of course not.(agree with A)
   Of course it IS.(disagree with A)

Just my 2 cents.:-)

-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: trieu@me.utoronto.ca (Trieu C. Chau)
Subject: Re: Japanese invasion
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:17:16 GMT

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>>All that we are demanding is just a simple apology.

>>We are not promoting hatred.  Rather, we are trying to let the generations
>>to come to know the truth.  And hopefully, our children do not have to suffer
>>as our fathers and grandfathers had.

>>Leo Wong
>>c60a-aa@volga.berkeley.edu

Further to this, an apology would start the process of the mending of relations
between the two countries.  Without an official apology to the Chinese people,
without this acknowledgement of wrong-doing, future generations will harbor
hatred towards the Japanese, without even knowing why.  Even now, here in this
net, I sense a blind vindictiveness towards Japan's refusal of an official 
apology.  It seems as if proponents of an apology are focusing on its use as
a punishment for what the Japanese army did in WWII, and not as a starting 
point for healing.

As I write this, I imagine grandparents teaching their progeny that Japanese
are evil creatures, a people beyond redemption, thus passing on their chains
of hate.  I remember still, the horrific descriptions I was told.  But more
terrifying to me, was the notion that at that very moment, there could have
been thousands, millions of Chinese elders, teaching their grandchildren,
the same thing.  And I imagined then, millions of Chinese children, growing
up, wishing the same atrocities on the Japanese, as a form of retribution.

And now, on the net, it seems that some hope to use a Japanese apology to beat
ever more heavily, into the minds of everyone, the idea that we should hate
the Japanese for what they did to us at Nanking, and even _they_ admit it!
This is not as it should be.

When one asks for an apology from someone who has offended us, we must first be
willing to forgive.  Not to forget, for that would be a denial of history, but
we must be able to continue our lives unhindered by uncomfortable suspicions
and fear.  And we can only achieve this, if the offending party, of his own
accord, sincerely regrets his wrong-doing. 
    
This is why we must ask for an apology, and not demand it, because given
enough lobbying, and protests, an
apology is inevitable, but will it be sincere?  Moreover, education as in the
rewriting of text books of histories, would be much more valuable than any
equivalent monetary compensation.  And that is the rewriting of text books in
both cultures, one to tell the truth, and the other to stop telling to hate,
because hate is the perpetuating factor that can allow the same events to
re-occur. 




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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Open Tibet and ...
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:50:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to today's Guardian and Daily Telegraph, Tibet Daily announced
full open economy at 14th July 1992, which said that Tibet is going to
provide direct air flights from Hong Kong and Nepal to Lasha (the
capital of Tibet).

Personally, I am puzzled of why Tibet did not announce this a while ago
along with other parts of China. Furthermore, why did British press hold
up this news up to now? Is this because of India?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Who look down Chinese most? (Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:45:48 GMT

In article <9785@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> linhoo@cs.uq.oz.au (Hu Lin) writes:
> When I heard that Japan decided not express appologies to Chinese for her  
crime in 
> WW-II and, at the same time, CG enthusiastically invites/hopes Japanese  
emperor to 
> visit our motherland who once was raped and robbed by Japanese Empire Army, I 
> feel the CG is tradding its nation's sense of pride with its nation's  
yet-unforgeted 
> enamy, and feel that the CG look down Chinese. Also, from the Japanese's  
decision 
> (yes, I don't simply say it is only made by JG or some thing), I conclude  
that 
> Japanese as a whole nation looks down Chinese nation, and is still looking  
for 
> chance to do the same things again to Chinese, as it did before.
> 
> Hu Lin (linhoo@uq.ca.oz.au)


Put your hand on your heart and honestly think: do we also look down on some  
other nationals. Why does Japan look down on us?

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23422 soc.culture.hongkong:9958 soc.culture.japan:6992 soc.culture.taiwan:12123
From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:30:37 GMT
Organization: Clarify, San Jose

In article <1992Aug18.141750.8856@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.33034.27688@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>>rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Aug16.211822.5261@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>
>>
>>Whilst Japan was the most powerful Navy ever to sail the Pacific. It's really
>
>Hmmm.... I don't know where you got the idea that Japan was the most 
>powerful Navy EVER to sail the Pacific, let me correct you, Mr. Choy.
>Your statement may be true for the Japanese Navy after 19 century, but
>do you know why they failed the invasion of Korea at 1592? Because their
>Navy was defeated by Korean Navy so that they didn't have enough supplies
>from thier island. Mongols failed to invade the Japan not because they
>had great naval power to stop Mongols, but because they were just lucky
>to have Typoon at that time. They call it the "Holly Wind" - Kamikaje.
>


Wait a minutes, I have never said that Japan was the must powerful Navy at
all. When you read articles, please read carefully before referring to 
specific person!!!!

Thanks,

-Raymond Choy-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:07:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.031026.25951@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.004523.8822@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>>
>>>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>>>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>>>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>>>used to by Americans.
>>There were elections before 1949!( Kuo Da Dan Biao were elected).
>
>    It's obviously those elections not fair and democratic, 
>otherwise why no alternative for terrible leaderships of
>Chiang and KMT at that time.
You have hiden assumption: The "fairly and democratically" elected government
or representatives are granteed "good leadership", which is not true.
>
>cqu 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Cannibalism in China - more Info
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:32:21 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.714171297.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
>Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu wrote:
>
>>	   How do you define Canibalism?  If that is defined as eating
>>	   human flesh, we have the tradition to do that.
>
>>	   1.  Spring and Autumn:  (missing for now)
>
>"Peng1" (steaming) and "Hai3" (making dry meat pieces) were the
>two common ways for prcessing human flesh in Spring and Autumn
>period of Chinese history. Thus, after Zi3 Lu4 was killed, people
>sent a bowl of meat made out from ZiLu's flesh to Confucius.
>Confius felt sad and did not eat it.
>
According the Li Ji, Confucius would never touch Hai afterwards.

>>	   6.  Tang:  The son cut part of his leg to give to his father
>>	   as zhong1 yao4;  This tradition lasted until late Qing1;
>>	   Many xiao4 zi3 would do the same when their fathers are ill;
>
During the rebellion of Huang Chau, the army salted the people as their
food. It was called "Liang Jau Yang" (Two legs sheep)

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:14:20 GMT

In article <Bt8LJF.MI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
|> >
|> >        As ROP national conference opening at Houston, the competition
|> >war for new presidency between Bush and Clinton is getting fiercer.
|> >Economy is hottest topic in the States. But the rest of world may concern
|> >more what change of US foreign policy than the recovery of US regression. 
|> 
|> I think I like Clinton much better than Bush. This feeling was initiated
|> in 1989 when Chinese government killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of
|> people in Beijing. My feeling is that the Democratic Party has a heart 
|> of people (not only American people, but people in general), while the
|> Republican represents the privileged (not only those in American, but
|> those in general). I well remember Senator Al Gore (spell) was the leader
|> of a group people from Capitol Hill who sent the protest to the Chinese
|> Embassy in DC to protest the Massacre that day. What Bush did was to
|> call Deng Xiaoping. Bush is a person who lacks sense of justice.
|> 
|> As a member of people, I like the one who can speak for the people.
|> 
|> No matter how rich and capitalistic China will be, no matter how
|> glorious China has been in Olympics, the blood and death of the Tiananmen
|> Square Massacre will never be forgotten.
|> 
|> Xiao Li
|> 

Historically, GOP is a pragmatic party on forigen issues. Those big Corperations 
have donated tons of money into GOP compaign. When their damn interests are 
threatened by the contry like Iraq, you bet see Bush starts to talk about 
justice or human rights and other sorts of craps. But there is no doult that big 
oil companies urged him to commite US troops into the combat.  Considering 
the amount of investment in China and huge market share, Bush has to listen to 
those special interet groups headed by Henry Kisinger. 

GOP overall consists of a bounch of super-richs and hard-core religious group
so called conservatives like biased Pat Buchanan. They are quite out of touch 
with ordinary peoples (income less than six digits). One of the most powerful 
group in GOP is AMA (American Medical Association) who has been trying damn hard 
to oppose the health care reform to maintain their superior income level. 

Under the GOP, there is no hope to see the US policy towards China will spur the
democracy in China. 

I wish this time the democratic party can kick Bush's ass out of the White House. 
they are having a pretty good chance this round.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD: related to green-card lobby stuff
Supersedes: <92226.104330SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:12:20 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>


In article <1992Aug13.011338.24364@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) says:
>
>forwarded for an anonymous netter:
>
>
>------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------
>
>
>Grapevine 8-7-1992
>
>Disclaimer: the Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader
>            discretion is recommended.
>
>====================================================================
>
>A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
>of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
>of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
>Americans and one Canadian on the list.

  She is too late to do all this. Both FBI and INS has the access to
  the letters sending to congressman, I assume. So maybe Shannon Yeh is
  the first to hand in this report. -)
   BTW, I am wondering if she also send in her resume so she can apply
  for a job in either FBI or INS. ( The Protection Bill only covers those
  who had a labour certification, as I was told, -0))

>She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
>"these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".

  What about the running dog who has already had GC? Can she do something
  to cancel it? I suggest she may post the name list on the net so
  those who may not be "running" dog will have a chance to defense
  themself, at least for the sake of their fame, if not for their chance
  of green card.

  Let's play the game by law, don't do small report thing. Both side
  has their own reason. State your reason and do the lobby (or anti-lobby
  Don't lead the game to a nasty battle. This kind of report just
  make me feel catching Bill Clinton or Bush's private life in political
  campaign.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:08:30 GMT

In article <65500026@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>
>You are brainwashed by the propaganda.  Han people (the majority) treat
>them even better than they treat themseves. Xi1 Zang4 (Tibet) is part of China 
	I'd like to point out that in the early 1900's the Western 
capitalists in China said that they treated the (Han) Chinese better
than they treated themselves. And most Westerners outside of China
believed it!!