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From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:53:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>Something just occurred to me.
>
>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?
>
>Wny do we need WB2.1 at all? (unless, of course, they're hitting the chips at
>register level instead of using the graphics.library correctly......)
>
>-- 
> Angus M. Marshall, MCRAMM@UK.AC.DCT,amarshal@uk.ac.dund.mcs, (+44 382) 308600

But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
user needs from 3.0.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga?  [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:43:12 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <84082@ut-emx.uucp> ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:
>Here are a couple of questions (Flames OK)
>
>1:  What is the difference between programming on a Mac or an Amiga?

It's easier to program the Amiga.

>2:  Will Apple's ButtKicker line (PowerPC) kill off the C= line?

That remains to be seen.  The PowerPC, in it's first incarnation, will be
A/UX with Multifinder and MACOS running on top as an emulation.  It will
make Mac multitasking much better, but performance may not be that great.

Has the Quadra killed off the C= line?

Of course not.

>3:  I heard the Amiga is the only computer out there with every
>    major app key-disk or hardware copy-protected.  It this true,
>    or crockery?

It's a crock.

>4:  How large is the C= presence in the US and worldwide?

Big in Europe.

>4.5:  What are these freddie fish, or whatever thingies that are at
>      the local archive site?

A large collection of PD software ( >700 disks ) that have been compiled as
an Amiga community service by Fred Fish, who is also a UNIX GURU.

>5:  Is the Amiga considered a workstation? :-) (For people reading c.s.m.a)

Define a workstation.

>6:  Is there a UNIX that is runnable on the systems?

Yes, UNIX SVR4 on any 68020 or better Amiga that has an mmu.

>7:  Where can I find a C= dealer?  (These birds are as rare as
>    hen's teeth around Austin, TX)

Good question.

>8:  What encryption proggies are there to secure hard disks or files?

Don't know.

>9:  Does C= sell TEMPEST spec Amigas?

I doubt it.

>10:  How crashworthy is the Amiga OS?

Amiga OS >2.0 is very solid.

>11:  (The beeg question :-)  Why should I port stuff over to the
>     Amiga line?

Why not?

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: AMOS PRO: HOW TO GET IT
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:35:29 GMT

  Any upgrade from AMOS 1.3.xx to AMOS PRO?  WHAT's new in AMOS PRO?
IS IT COMPILED?


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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:47:30 GMT

Quoth linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville):

]> In article <1992Nov12.231010.5276@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:

]> >]> >resources are REQUIRED to run OS2 or WindersNT (if it exists) or whatever.
]> >]> 
]> >]> I would expect the HD to comparitively larger than what OS/2 needs.
]> >
]> >At the expense of what?  Either something comes off the drive now, or something
]> 
]> Most people use the largest portion of their HD space for 'scratch' space.  I
]> know that I use mine that way.  When that last 20 megs becomes of critical
]> importance, buy a bigger drive.  You obviously need the space anyway.  

Could you give me a little hard data on what constitutes "most" people?  I for
one see more people on the verge of running out of room than people who aren't,
both peecee and Amiga.  If IDE's are THAT cheap, I don't understand how they
ended up in such a situation.  From my own personal experience I know it ain't
so, but I suppose I am a lone exception, eh?

Reminds me of one fellow's answer to the inefficiency of certain Mac software:
"just add memory -- it's cheap!"  Well, it's Nov 1992 and it isn't cheap anymore,
is it?

]> Your quibbling over a few megabytes of HD space is invalid.  At least, on a
]> PC, HD space is cheap.  At less than $2/meg, get all you can.  Then you won't
]> give yourself an ulcer worrying about how much space your OS is using.

That's a sorry excuse.  It's that way of thinking that got us gas lines in the
70's.  In this case I'll quibble all I want to -- MY operating system will fit
in less than 2 megs, while OS/2 reqires around 10x that to be effective.

]> John W. Linville

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: MorphPlus Used On Quantum Leap
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:05:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.023440.1998@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mjm2789@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.J. Maslow) writes:
>Anyone who happened to be watching the NFL Monday night game might have seen that an Amiga was used in a commercial to
>help out with high school football plays, etc.  If you looked close at the monitor it was either a 1084 or 1084s, because
>the fron plate was down, BUT, they covered up the model number with a piece of Black tape....  Why???  were they afraid
>of the flack they might receive from the Non-Amiga world????   All i can ask is why...  :(
>
>			Mark
>

Because Commodore hadn't paid them the money necessary for that kind of adver-
tising.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:54:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov5.011503.3155@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> <root.02o9@rkamiga.UUCP>
  <Bxu2L1.BGL@starnine.com> <root.02vl@rkamiga.UUCP>

>>>If a woman shoots a man in an isolated area at night, before he rapes her,
>>>what does she use for a defense in court if his corpse is unarmed?
>>
>>Self-defense.  Any other questions?
>
>What if he just wanted to know what time it is?

Then he probably shouldn't have raped her.


>
>>>Twenty years for manslaughter could be as bad as getting raped.
>>
>>No reason anyone should do 20 years for self-defense.  In the above
>>case, you do what is always done...examine the evidence and
>>come to a determination of guilt or lack of it.
>
>If a man walks towards a woman late at night, and she shoots him from
>20 feet away there is no evidence as to whether he was going to rape
>her or just ask her what time it is.
>
>>It would seem extremely unlikely that a woman who defends herself
>>legally with a handgun will suffer prosecution.
>
>In the state of Mass she would have to have a good reason to get a
>license for the protection of life and property.  This is the only
>level of handgun license that allows one to carry a concealed weapon.
>
>One good reason might be a previous rape, or she is being stalked by
>someone whom she has a restraint order against.
>
>>Of course... she COULD just lay down and die.  Is THAT worse than
>>20 years?
>
>In Mass, that depends.  At MCI Framingham, which is the only women's prison
>in the state, one out of four inmates has HIV/AIDS, cells are overcrowded,
>and rape and violence are common.
>
>While I feel that the gun laws here are too strict, I don't know if I would
>want to live in a state where guns are handed out to anyone who steps up
>to the counter with money.
>
>--
>Rick Kelly              Rick's Amiga            Framingham, Mass.
>
>                think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: tcampbel@unlinfo.unl.edu (thomas campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A few comments about productivity (short rant!)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:56:52 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Word for Windows - tried it, no thanks...

kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:


>Basically I wanted all major headers in BOLD (using the same font)

><BOLD>     HEADER 
>plain      * job skill 1
>           * job skill 2

>Please note the alignment - a perfect straight row up and down. When
>I printed the resume, nothing lined up...NOTHING. And I was not about

[stuff deleted]

>Was I productive with Word for Windows? NO. (TWO HOURS wasted and it still
>wasn't quite right - small alignment errors due to Fonts not being the
>same when in BOLD.)

The solution to this problem (ie bold fonts not lining up with 
non-bold, etc) is to use tab stops to mark the start of columns.  I 
have the same problem with Word, ProWrite, etc, etc.  Try to line 
things up with a proportional font sometime without using tab stops.

tcampbel@unlinfo.unl.edu
From: jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga?  [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <70031@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>9:  Does C= sell TEMPEST spec Amigas?

>No, in fact just the opposite.  When you turn on an Amiga 2000, every TV
>within about 30 yards can pick up the output. Someone may have Tempest'd
>them, but I don't think CBM has.


That's not a bug, it's a feature! :-)  You can tell when
your download has finished while watching TV in the next
room!

Jeremy
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From: gerber@orion.astro.uiuc.edu (Richard A. Gerber)
Subject: Re: Amiga OS newsgroup
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:49:13 GMT

In <1992Nov16.201114.4460@spcvxb.spc.edu> 5marte_f@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:


>	Doesn't anyone feel we should have an AMIGA OS group... 

Hey, this is a great idea. Whom do we contact to get this going?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:45:40 GMT

>In a message dated Fri  6 Nov 92 16:17, Djkordsm@quesadilla.engr.ucdavis.ed
>wrote:

> D>  So the A4000 is finally out.  We've got the A1200 on the horizon,
> D> with more 
> D> computers promised.  I think we can all stop disputing over the fact
> D> that the a4000
> D> is an awesome machine and CBM is on the right track.  

> D>  None of this means anything without software.  

This is an important point, and I believe that CBM themselves are trying to solve this problem with the introduction of the new credit card slot.  This will reduce piracy, meaning that developers profits will be increased, so they will stay with the Amiga, and other developers will join in.
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Jerry in the UK!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:37:24 GMT
Re: HEIDI'S DECISION. Was: Oh My God, help my friend not buy an IBM

In article <1992Nov20.104916.11896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@mickey (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Jerry J. Shekhel				jerry@msi.com
>Spending a week in the UK!

What're you doin' over there?

So, are you, like, up to your armpits in Amigas over there? :-)
-- 
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"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:24:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>>Something just occurred to me.
>>
>>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?
>>
>>Wny do we need WB2.1 at all? (unless, of course, they're hitting the chips at
>>register level instead of using the graphics.library correctly......)
>>
>>-- 
>> Angus M. Marshall, MCRAMM@UK.AC.DCT,amarshal@uk.ac.dund.mcs, (+44 382) 308600

>But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
>user needs from 3.0. 
> 

I think the reason why C= releases WB2.1 for all non-AGA machines is because
most of these non-AGA machines already have kickstart 2.0   Imagine how 
many people would b*tch and whine if they just bought WB 2.04 and 
have to shell out more money to buy kickstart 3.0... (instead of just getting
a floppy upgrade).

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Amiga/Video Toaster featured on TV program
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132818.16235@zds-oem.zds.com> easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:

>  After watching the show it became apparent to me why we have no
>toaster for the A3000 or A4000.  These guys are spending all their
>time shopping for matching Acura NSX's, corporate jets, playing
>video games, designing robotic track lighting and musical big birds,
>and watching star trek.  Sheesh!

	NewTek does not want to make a version for the 3000 or the 4000.
If they wanted to, they already would have. If Tom, Steve, and Rich at
Industrial Color Labs can slide the endplate over for $25 so that it fits
in an A3000, and NewTek can't, then that sure does tell you something
about NewTek.

	They are up to something and don't let them tell you otherwise.
I confronted them about this and they just said 'we've been kicking
around the idea of making it for the 3000'. Yeah, I really believe
that now.

	For more info call Tom at Industrial Color Labs.

	1-800-MR PHOTO, in Syracuse NY.


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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:13:53 GMT

Andy Finkel writes:
kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>[...]  In order to be promoted as a full "Photo CD" player, there's a
>>lot more involved than just reading some picture files off the disc.
>>
>>The CD-ROM drive would first need to be able to handle multisession discs.
>
>Kevin, you seem somewhat biased on this.  Usually, you seem more fair.
 
Hmm.  Actually, I was trying to be super fair, but I guess I missed :-)

>Kodak supports the concept of Photo CD access that doesn't handle
>multisession.  I'd been assuming that was for three reasons: [...]
 
Right, they do.  But (and I guess I wasn't very clear), there's a large
difference between having Photo CD support vs being a Photo CD player.
According to a Kodak rep I asked, "All players that are Photo CD compatible
have multi-session capability.  This is part of the Photo CD spec."

As for the original CD-I developer player, I don't know if it handles
multisession or not.  But yes, all the later industrial/developer and
consumer models do.  Again, I'll quote Kodak on this: "Any manufacturer
that makes CD-I players will, by default, also be making players that
play Photo CD discs."

>>The player *must* also use Kodak display algorithms, it (probably) needs
>>a Bridge Disc (modified ISO9660) file manager, and (probably) will need
>>to be able to use the coming expanded Photo CD menuing/audio features...
>>which is handled on Kodak players via a custom ASIC, and on CD-I players
>>by including a CD-I program on each Photo CD disc.
>>
>>So it would seem that CDTV didn't meet Kodak specs as a "Photo CD player."
> 
>Actually, it seems you have no information on the subject;  your conclusions
>are basically CD-I biased.  If you have any statements from either Kodak
>or Philips on this, you should post them.  Unbacked assertions won't prove
>anything.

Biased?  If you mean the one line above where I mentioned the expanded
Photo CD features and CD-I solution, I thought it was unavoidable.  It
was necessary to point out yet another "Photo CD player" requirement.

If you meant the CDTV demo, we both know that neither Kodak nor Commodore
appear to want to comment, which is why I said "seems".  Nevertheless,
it's indisputable that if the demo didn't use Kodak code, it wasn't what
Kodak would allow to be called either as "Photo CD" support or player.
As you noted yourself, Kodak is very bent on keeping a tight standard.

My main wish was to point out that Kodak has to sanction/write Photo CD
support for all systems such as the Amiga or CDTV (or ST or whatever).
So Kodak could easily be a far more likely reason for delay than Philips.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:15:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>Something just occurred to me.
>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?
>
>Wny do we need WB2.1 at all? (unless, of course, they're hitting the chips at
>register level instead of using the graphics.library correctly......)

Somewhere, at some point, someone has to  play with the hardware.  Or else
why have any hardware at all?  (ie - the computer would just exist in your
imagination)  The OS is the programmers interface with the hardware.  No one
should be hitting the hardware directly, because as Commodore has said before,
the hardware will change.  But because the OS is the interface with the hard-
ware, it has to change with each new chip set.  And that is why WB3.0 is
incompatible with ECS machines.

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From: ccspad@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Paul Dale)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:10:34 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, England

I deleted the poster reference because it could have been a number
of people.
>
[stuff deleted]
>But I guess it's OK for use as a learning language or a toy programming 
>language.
>

I've been following this thread with some interest and this sums
up what I think the real issue is about. It's not whether AMOS is
good or C/asm is better, it's all about peer acceptance. AMOS users
don't need to defend AMOS to anyone. C/asm users don't need to rubbish
AMOS. What's the point ? It's programming snobbery, an extension of
all the other religous type computing wars that fly around the net
year after year to no end. 

The type of inference above is purely an attempt at asserting superiority
over a peer in a very public and large forum. The obvious message is
that toy programming languages are for toy programmers, not serious
guys. Maybe, maybe not, it *really doesn't matter*. It certainly doesn't
contribute much to anything. Condescension like this statement (and this
article ? :-) always provokes waste of space articles.

The technical stuff has been interesting but the insults (direct or
indirect) don't do anyone, most especially the poster any good.

I'd like to know, why there is so much ego involved ?

Please take a deep breath and a few :-) before answering.

Paul Dale
Systems admin./applications support/programmer.
BUCS, Bath University, Claverton Down, Bath, Avon. UK BA2 7AY
tel: 0225 826215
e-mail: P.A.Dale@bath.ac.uk
fax: 0225 826176
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjchmura@quads.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:15:23 GMT

In article <BxzywJ.2v2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.224148.6464@gw.wmich.edu> 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>[about OS/2 needing mega-space for GUI support]
>
>>	Similarly, if Amigados was expected to Run MS-Windows and MS-Dos
>>you too would have to add the over 18 megabytes of garbabge to your hard
>>drive.
>
>Well, I don't claim to know much about OS/2, but AmigaDOS already has a
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Flame on:

>GUI and doesn't need to run an external GUI.  I'd figure OS/2 would have
>it's own GUI.  Hmmm clone users?  (I'm not saying emulation isn't nice BTW.)
Huh?  If you have a bridgeboard you still need Windows 3.1 to run windows.
There is no "need" for "external GUI" except for emulation.

>
>>							-Brad
>
>--Jason Balicki
>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


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