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From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Chilean Dwarf Tegu (Sorry If Repeat)
Keywords: Chilean Dwarf Tegu
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:11:09 GMT
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I don't know a lot about tegu care, but here's what I've picked up while
moping around wishing I had one...

The pet store is right that tegu care is pretty closely related to monitor
care, except that your average tegu seems to be more active and wants things
to clamber around on.  They also seem to like shelters; those I know hang out
underneath those semicircular wood shelters a lot.  Opinions seem to be sort
of divided on how well they adapt to handling.

Here, at least, you can get canned tegu chow, which is supposed to be a
pretty good diet.  If you're feeding more conventional lizard foods, the usual
vitamin supplements are probably called for.

	NT
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: pig shelter
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:35:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan11.222910.18690@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>Someone who does not have access to posting on usenet has asked me to
>spread the word about PIGS, A SANCTUARY:
>
>  "... there was a recent craze for potbellied
>  pigs as pets, a craze which has now died down as the cute little piglets
>  have turned into 150 lb prokers, and people are abandoning the pigs.  Two
>  friends of mine who think pigs are fascinating have started a no kill
>  shelter for miniature and potbellied pigs, and I would greatly appreciate
>  it if you could post their address.  they are Jim and Dale, and the name
>  of the place is the Potbellied-pig Interest Groups and Shelter.  short
>  form:  PIGS, A Sanctuary,  RR 1, Box 317 X,  Charles Town, WV,  25414.
>  phone is 304-725-PIGS.  Thank you VERY much.--janet armbruster,
>  JARMBRUSTER@DELPHI.COM.   :) "
>

    Hmm... I wonder how long before we see a bacon distributor
spring up at the same address.

    A reptile-related question, since this was posted to rec.pets.herp:
Does anyone use small pigs as food for large snakes?

				-Phil

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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Lighting: blacklight white??
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:55:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>I have an iguana lighting question, but I cross-posted to *.aquaria
>because there is so much lighting expertise there.

This may be of interest, so I'll maintain the cross-post.

>I've never heard of a "blacklight white" before.  Has anyone else?
>What is it?

It is not the correct term, but is essentially an observation of what
the bulb looks like.  A "blacklight white" bulb is a bulb that not
only emits mostly untraviolet light, but also considerable visible
light as well, though heavly toward the blue end.  For florescent
bulbs, the (unpowered) bulb looks identical to a "normal" white
florescent bulb, as opposed to violet for a "blacklight only" bulb.
The advanage to these bulbs is that they are 1/3 to 1/4 of the price
of a "blacklight only" bulb.  Any major lamp supply house has them.

If you're looking for florescent bulbs, you'll want the "BL" designation
rather than the "BLB" designation.  These are the letters that follow
the bulb designation.  (for instance F20T12CW is a 24" Cool White bulb,
F20T12BL is a "blacklight white" that works great for lizards, and
F20T12BLB is a "blacklight only" that you can use at your next party.

Remember that glass shields ultraviolet light, so install the fixture
in such a way that the rays get to the lizards [ the minimal loss
through  the ultra-thin wall of the bulb itself being ignored ].

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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Scientific progress goes 'boink'
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:09:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.132950.4922@memstvx1.memst.edu>
nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu (The Strongest Woman in the World) writes:

>> The Asian Vine Snake (A. nasuta - might not be current nomenclature), however, has binocular
>> (3-D) vision -  
>
>Seems like I read somewhere that this is true for the King Cobra also.  We have
>one at the zoo here (Memphis) and I swear this snake makes eye contact with
>people - even through the glass of his enclosure.  A magnificent snake - about
>12' long - which I think is probably average for this snake, but it is awesome
>to watch him.
>
>Does anyone know if the King cobra has binocular vision?
>
>Nancy

Not sure about the King Cobra, but the eyes of the anaconda (both
kinds) are actually angled forwards to give them binocular vision, as
well as help while swimming I guess.  Take a look at one next time
you're at EBV or a zoo, their heads really look different than any
other snake.
BTW just thought I'd say IMHO the Asian Vine Snake is just about the
most attractive snake there is... :-)

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From: remcat@athena.mit.edu (Rachel Emily Molenaar)
Subject: Weighting down cage tops, snake cages in general
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:51:26 GMT

I use a huge atlas, and Madison (Ball Python) has not escaped since. I also put a
pillowcase on in between her(?) delicate nose and the abrasive wire cage top
since I figured out where that sore on her nose was coming from. Also, anyone
have an easy way to tell whether Madison is male or female?

On shipping: I am happy to say that Madison did just fine in a padded cardboard
box (small holes punched)in the pets part of an airplane. Yay!

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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:48:28 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <AfGFePC00WB7ESlNod@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew Lewis Tepper <at15+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Fluffy, my savannah monitor was refusing to eat for almost 4 weeks. He

Ok, first. Savannah's HATE bunny names. They are carnivores and need a
dignified name, like Toadkiller Lizard or some such.

>always used to love mice, but lately hadn't touched them. The pet store
>suggested I try a variety of foods, so I bought a rat, two anoles, and a
>couple dozen crickets. The good news is that he went _wild_ for the
>crickets, and gobbled them up. 

Yes, my savnnah (named Balzac the Jaws of Death, note) loves crickets. He
chases them around the cage for hours, and never seems to get full. I've
watched him eat 30 crickets at a sitting (and he's only 9 inches long).

However, crickets aren't very nutritious. They are salty. I think you can
get some calcium-enriched crickets from some places, but I don't know...

Have you tried dipping the mice in egg yolk? Balzac LOVES egg yolk. I 
don't give him much, just in case of cholesterol...

He didn't eat the anoles, and they are
>now living in his cage. (Ever hear of a savannah monitor sharing a cage
>with anoles?!?) 

This is puzzling. Balzac will eat DIRT if I put it in his cage. No kidding.
I have not yet found a food he won't latch onto if I make it move. Except
for spinach. He will eat (among other things) mice, gerbils, rats (small
ones), people fingers, eggs, worms, crickets, fish, tried to eat my roomate's
iguana when it got close to his cage, people toes, dirt, saltines...


Unless those anoles are a decent size, I'd expect Fluffy to snatch 'em up
sooner or later...

Tim
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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:01:44 GMT

In article <1ii3ppINNb0g@shelley.u.washington.edu> stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:
>In article <C0HvyD.oA.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>> 
>> I'm gonna reiterate: savannahs are carnivores. Bunny names and preppie
>> appellations are unfitting for these relics of the err Permian? Cambrian?
>
>Very thoughtful of you to consider the literacy impaired, but some of us 
>have a sense of humor when it comes to reptilian naming conventions.

i KNEW I should'a used a smiley...

Tim


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From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: Re: Free-roaming iguanas
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:17:25 GMT

In article <C0Lqpo.782@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, gadams@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Glen Adams) writes:

|> He might like the windows because he can see moving things out of it.  Mine
|> loves to sit on a screen, and people watch.  He will watch birds, people, 
|> cars, boats, anything.  (Could be autistic, who knows?!?!)  
|> 
|> You can keep him perfectly happy having him live in a cage, you just have 
|> to make the cage somewhere where he would like to be.  Iguanas like to have
|> a vantage point in a room, because that way they can see what it going on.
|> Letting him/her out to run around for a while is fine, but it is up to you
|> to make sure that he is exploring a safe environment.  Including making
|> sure he stays warm.  Mine likes to hang out either on top of my monitor,
|> or behind the fan on my computer.  The most important thing though, is to 
|> introduce variables in his life gradually.


	Well, as an update (since I started this thread), I bought a new cage
for my ig from a guy who advertised it on this group, and he looked a lot
happier last night. He was cruising around tasting and jumping and climbing and
generally checking out the whole place, and eventually climbed up the side and
started watching TV! I checked a couple times, and he was actively watching, not
snoozing, so I guess he likes it.

	I think the big improvement is the additional vertical space, added
branches and stuff, and more airflow. He was more active last night than I've
seen him since I got him. I just hope he stays happy.

	I wish the books I got had stressed more the importance of a VERTICAL
environment. I had him in a 55G tank, and I don't think that had enough climbing
room for him. I also wonder if he was being stifled by the glass walls and small
amount of airflow. The new cage is actual _cage_, and so has more air movement.

	Which brings up a question: As long as he has heat (heat lamp + hot rock
+ flour. fixture, with branches angled for good warming perches), is it bad to
have the cage itself in a cooler area? Where I have him is subject to
occasional drafts (old apartment), and the air around the cage can get kind of
cool. I'm hoping that he will quickly learn to hang around the hot rock if he
gets cool at night, and he has obviously figured out the best warming perch
already.


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From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Wanted creature to add with fish
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:44:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <bzandrew.0msk@amiganet.chi.il.us>, bzandrew@amiganet.chi.il.us (Bill
 Zandrew) writes:
>I used to raise fish and I can't think of anyghing good to keep with them.
>Frogs and turtles are bad.  Shrimp don't live long.  How about some cool cat
>fish?  An upside down cat or a plecostomus!  Hmmmmm!
>

I was always fond of the shovelnose catfish, but it depends upon the other
types of fish you have.  Ask the people over in rec.aquaria.  They're really
experts and could probably give you a ton of suggestions on compatible
creatures.
-- 

Tom Schmidlin
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU
215-758-0875
From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: are chameleons (very) difficult?
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:12:19 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan5.020314.26828@igor.tamri.com>, donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.124449.4845@memstvx1.memst.edu>
> nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>From what I understand from the herpetologists at our zoo, chameleons are so
>>shy that the people who work with them make every possible attempt to not even
>>make eye contact with them.  The St. Louis zoo, who has had a lot of success
>>with chameleons, passed this info on to us.  We (Memphis Zoo) are beginning
>>to have good luck with the Panther chameleons because of this advice.  These
>>guys are not on exhibit and are separated in gallon glass jars in a place
>>that is relatively isolated.  All chameleons may not be this shy, but when
>>I had the opportunity to get a chameleon, I chose not to because I knew I
>>wouldn't be able to stay away from it.  I think they are wonderful.
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> I agree with you, for the most part.  However, a guy who runs a small pet
> shop near me (in Northern California) has had a Veiled Chameleon (scientific
> name something like Chameleo Calyptrotus) for going on a year now and it
> doesn't have a shy bone in its body!  He bought it as a captive-bred baby
> (always the best idea, in my book) and now its HUGE.
> 
> The animal is amazing.  It will climb out and onto your finger, zap a 
> cricket that you're holding in your other hand and then climb back into its
> cage.
> 
>     don

I would think I had died and gone to heaven.  Wish I could see that animal. 
One thing about animal behaviour - you can never say "never" or "always". 
There is always going to be the exception, for reasons that sometimes are known
only to the animal.  

I hope that someday that I can have a setup for a chameleon because I really
want one.  When I go in the herpetarium, the first place I go is to the
chameleons, then the iguanas, then to the king cobra.  I can spend more time in
the herpetarium than any other place in the zoo, the bird house is my least
favorite.  Guess that makes me strange by some people's standards.  

Nancy
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:32:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Ball Pythons II: eating (or not)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
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Date: 6 Jan 93 17:17:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0G00x.LwD.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1993Jan5.224551.12268@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>In article <C0E9xD.1n1.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim "Lemming
>of the BDA" Mohler) writes:

urp... lemming now?


>>"How can you raise them to DIE like that? They are SOOOO CUUUUTE."
>Let's face it, rodents are just much cuter to
>the average human eye.  Alas, in my experience there isn't a lot to be
>done about this problem...

I have this friend who not only gets all teary-eyed over my gerbils,
but also screams bloody murder when he runs into the bag o' mousicles
in my freezer.  I asked him one time whether he would sacrifice those
rodents to save my way cool lizard. No, he said. Why? Because the rodents
are wroth more. Well, how do you determine a life-form's worth I asked,
feeling kinda like Cap't Picard, and he said "by it's cuteness."

Tim
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:56:37 GMT

>Ya need a name that will inspire the beast to be the kind of monster 
>that will drag screaming infants in its jaws out into the night, or 
>something that should be seen half-obscured by mist upon English moors.

How's about "Shergold"?
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: The Discordian Society
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:33:37 GMT

In article <Jan.6.09.42.58.1993.4220@pilot.njin.net>
csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean "No, the OTHER Sean Casey" Casey) writes:

>Gerbils illegal in CA? Why?

Other than the general desire of the government to infringe upon our
personal freedoms, you mean? (Gee Don, you still out there? :-) No,
basically, wild Gerbils cause a lot of crop damage and California's
economy is pretty much dependent on agriculture, so you can't get them
or have them here.  Probably someone on rec.pets.cuteandfuzzy can tell
you more about the actual law, I don't know the exact wording (never
having looked into it, 'coz Gerbils have basically no appeal for me).

Really, the state government is pretty paranoid about this sort of
thing.  Anyone who's ever come in to California has been asked the
question, 'Any fruit or vegetables on you?' at the border, and if yes,
you have to throw them away right there... believe it, or not!

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From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:16:01 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Distribution: na
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan7.230933.25326@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.132950.4922@memstvx1.memst.edu>
> nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu (The Strongest Woman in the World) writes:


---stuff deleted--
> 
> 
> BTW just thought I'd say IMHO the Asian Vine Snake is just about the
> most attractive snake there is... :-)
>
My vote is the gaboon viper.  Not only beautiful, but one of the best specimens
we have at our zoo to show coloration camouflage.  Even though it is not a small
snake, sometimes people walk by this exhibit and say "oh, there's nothing in
there."  The floor of the exhibit is brown dried leaves and the snake can lay
on top of the leaves and people miss them.  Too cool!!  The gaboon viper is the
snake that almost cost Marlin Perkins his life.  

Nancy

 
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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:28:41 GMT
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In article <C0HvyD.oA.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
> 
> I'm gonna reiterate: savannahs are carnivores. Bunny names and preppie
> appellations are unfitting for these relics of the err Permian? Cambrian?

Very thoughtful of you to consider the literacy impaired, but some of us 
have a sense of humor when it comes to reptilian naming conventions.

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