HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Nilanjan Sarkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:10:00 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

In article <Btuyrr.F3v@wpi.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>i am one of those who believe that our elders are not dumb and when
>they decide something it is for our own good. the same holds for sati
>also IMHO.
>


Is it supposed to be a joke ? If it is so, please accept my apology
for not being able to understand it.

But if it is not, would you mind explaining a little more why sati is
good "for our own" ?

And also, how exactly did our "intelligent" elders decide this 
wonderful custom ? Were women part of this group of "intelligent"
elders, and if not, were the women asked what they felt about it
- because I think even if it was meant for sending women straight
to heaven without any delay, it needed their permission.




>
>
>doki
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:30:55 -0400 
From: "Manu S. Kumar" <mk5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Calling all Modernites in the States!!


Hi! 

    This is a message to all MODERNITES. Alumni of Modern School,
Barakamba Road, New Delhi. If you are a Modernite or have been in Modern
for some part of you schooling then please E-Mail me ASAP at
mk5a@andrew.cmu.edu .





                                                    Manu S. Kumar

                                                   Class of 1991-92
                                                   MHS is the Best
                                        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: vlsi2@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Vlsi Research)
Subject: Re: SAMSKRITHAM or SANSKRIT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:05:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.155412.2984@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>, php1dr@erwin.ph.surrey.ac.uk.physics (Ramesh Rao) writes:
> In article 21393@thebe.rutgers.edu, ratan@thebe.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
> > 
> > Why do so many people, mostly from South India, refer to the language 
> > 'Sanskrit' as 'Samskritham' while writing in English? I don't think
> > that there is any such word as 'Samskritham' in English. When you are
> > writing in English, use English words. I don't think it is proper to
> > use one's own version of language without any good reason. 
> 
> With the risk of offence I would like to point out that,
> it seems to me you are assuming that language, especially English, is 
> unchanging, pure and original -- and that is grossly untrue.
> 

If you don't want consider English pronounciation of a word you can't even 
consider any other language than the language to which a word belongs to
find the correctness of the pronounciation of that word. And if you have
taken lessons in `SANSKRIT' you will find that SANSKRIT is pronounced
as SANSKRIT in SANSKRIT.

Siddharth
From: kurdikar@methacrylate.ecn.purdue.edu (Dev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: The Top Twenty Schools
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:51:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <lad2roINNqoj@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.135035.17665@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>>money from the NIH, NSF, DOE and the Dept. of Defense.
>>>
>>>3.  U Wisconsin, Madison
>>>5.  U Minnesota
>>>6.  Stanford *
>>>8.  U Michigan, Ann Arbor
>>>10. Columbia *
>>>11. Harvard *
>>>12. U Pennsylvania *
>>>13. UC Berkley
>>>
>>>Samit
>>>
>>I'll bet that those elitist Ivy-league and Bay-area schools are ticked off
>>to be beat out by a couple of Midwestern "hic" schools.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>
>
>
>
>You are probably right, although if you consider funding from the NIH or NSF
>alone, some of these schools do come out tops.
>
>
>Also breakdown of the money, discipline wise, shows up the 
>strenghts of the Bay area schools in Engineering and computer sciences.
>If there is sufficient interest, I could post that list.
>
>
>What amazed me was the absence of Caltech from that list. Any plausible
>reasons?
>
>
>
>Samit



Caltech is a small schools with few faculty.  Also it does not have a
medical schools.  If you see the list, schools with big medical depts
feature prominently e.g. Johns Hopkins, U Wash, Harvard, U Penn, U 
Washington etc.

If the list had been $ NSF/NIH funding PER FACULTY MEMBER, Caltech would
definitely have featured.

Devdatt Kurdikar
From: ngopalas@ho19.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Where are the net.police? (was Re: travel
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <BtM47E.DLI@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079rbu4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sanjay Kohli) writes:
>Hi
>    Make your traveling easier by trying us. We are in this business
>    from last 40 years. We offer special student rates to India, Pakistan,
>    Bangeladesh, with in the U.S and any where in the world. We are very
>    reliable and competetive. you can contact me by email at the following
>    address.
>    v079rbu4@ubvms.acsu.buffalo.edu
>    kohli@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu
>    Also you can call me at (716)836-8024 (anytime) or
>    (315) 476-0934(6pm t0 10 pm)
>
>
>    Thanks
>    Sanjay Kohli
>    Di Scenna Travel Service


Now where are the net.police who vociferously complained against the Citicorp
ads? This is the second time this posting has appeared and the silence of the
Usenet charter police is deafening. 

Nath. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mramesh@nyx.cs.du.edu (M Ramesh)
Subject: Re: I will close you by my ices --[ The Tiger Cascade ]
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.193904.28259@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.165258.26997@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mramesh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Murthy Ramesh) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.205607.23086@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>>In article <1684EE14D.R2GAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> R2GAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug24.205710.14905@colorado.edu>
>>>>paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>>>>In article <1684DE746.R2GAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> R2GAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
>>>>>>In article <l9bd1fINN4av@aludra.usc.edu>
>>>>>>sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>>>>>>>paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>>>>>>>In article <1992Aug21.173245.13865@ugle.unit.no> youhong@solan.unit.no (User) writes:
>>>>>>>>>I will close you by my ices.
>>>>>>>> I will lose you by my dices.
>>>>>>>  I will kill you with my spices.
>>>>>    Hi willki, you with mices ?
>>>>>    No Vepal, that would be crises.
>>>      No pal, begone, that suffices.
>>       I car US life's main spices?
>        I caress her vain crevices.
         Careful of vamp's vapid slices!

Ramesh.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (a.natarajan)
Subject: Animal sacrifices and related babbles!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:59:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster


I read a few postings on this topic of whether there were animal
sacrifices in ancient India, in Vedic times, in Ramayana times etc.
I have to post this in the next 3 minutes and rush to a group
meeting (not on animal sacrifices, but at the rate the economy is
going, I hope it is not personnel sacrifice!).

There ARE references to animal sacrifice in Valmiki Ramatanam,
Bala kanadam on puthra kaama ishti and aswamedha yagjnam.
Again see Sundara Kandam:
"na maamsam upasevithum ... na nya manaa raamaha....etc etc.
The rule was you offered what you ate.
"yadannaha purusho bhavathi thadannaha thasya dhevathaahaa.....
Ayodhyaa kaandam.
That is why rama offers "ingudhi pinyaakam etc.
Sorry I have to rush.
It really does not matter what they did then.
What matters is what you do NOW.

Follow the rule:
yad annaha purusho bhavathi etc........."
Peace............. Natarajan at AT&T BELL LABS.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Buddhism a part of Hinduism ?
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.063735.16348@midway.uchicago.edu> trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:
>Today, someone worshipping Krishna is unlikely to consider himself to be
>of a separate religion. Someone else, even if he is worshipping Rama or
>Kali, is unlikely to reject or even challenge that. This state of affairs 
>constitutes a visible reality.

I agree with this, but from another point of view (logic),
The life of krishna as described in puranas are replete with
names of various hindu gods.  Not so for gautama buddha's life...
The only link (a tenous one at that) to hinduism is the declaration
that narayana was born thus...  (I am talking about the
hindu-scripture's buddha).

>
>It is *plausible* that one day some group could arise which worships
>Krishna but rejects any bond with the rest of Hinduism completely. In the
>beginning there could be confusion and bickering. However, if this state
>of affairs persisted and the group evolved of its own (helped perhaps by
>geographical separation as well) then after a while, like it or not, we
>would have a new religion for all practical purposes.  Of course,
>*Hindus* would continue to worship Krishna in their own ways.
>
>That is what happened in the case of Buddhism. 
>
>-----




Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor)
Subject: Re: queries directed to jains ... (from a jain)  : answers follow
Summary: consensus amidst all answers
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.203312.27146@umbc3.umbc.edu> kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu I 
had asked :

>- Does Jainisn believe in "God" per se ? eg. Is Mahavir God or is he a 
>  tirthankar ? are tirthnakar and God different ?
>
>- Officially, does idol worship have credence in jainism ?
>
>as an aside, i would also like to know how many students practice "Paryushan"
>here ? I am more interested in students because, i believe that they might 
>be facing the same conditions and choices that I do while trying to practice
>it.

I recvd. about 10+ answers and most provided with mutually agreeing answers. I
am summarizing the responses below (as asked for by some of the responders) :

- Jainism does not believe in God per se. Jainism has Tirthankars, who were 
mortals but thru their actions achieved "moksh" (salvation) or Nirvan. The
Tirthankars themselves did not propound any idea/belief whatsoever about
them being God or that worshipping them is the path to salvation.

- Jainism does not lend credence to idol worship. That was the situation in 
the beginning. But, over time, sub-groups formed and a non-minority subsub
group believes in idol worship.

                   Jain
                    /\
                   /  \
                  /    \
              Digambar Shwetambar
                           /\
                          /  \
                         /    \
                        /      \
                  Sthanakwasi  Derawasi
                               (idol worshippers)       

(Thanks to Amish Shah for providing this lucid pictorial explanation)


- Not many (going by the responses I recvd.) follow the regimen required
  during "Paryushan" for various reasons. 

- Many continue to believe in Jainism because they admire the teaching of
  the principle of non-violence and that there is no canon deifying the 
  Tirthankars.

This was a functional summary of the responses that I recvd. Words and 
interpretation (which I hope is faithful) are mine.

A desire was mentioned of continuing this/related discussion on the net
for the benefit of "lurkers" and also those interested in knowing more
about Jainism. So, I hope that this would be a good take off point or at
least provide impetus for some related discussion.

As, an addendum, I want to know how other Jains defend their belief in
vegetarianism ? I am always faced with this poser, "Why eat plants if
you don't believe in killing animals ?"

My explanation is "Possibly, the people of that time did not know or
consider plants as having life or capable of pain." But, I consider this 
explanation rather weak. Anyone willing to contribute ?

My sincere thanks to all the people who took time and spent some effort
in replying me.

regards,
Kuntal

ps : I am a gujarati jain and do visit the temple
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: Tall Tales from Hell -- Icarus. [Possible cascade]
Organization: The Net-Anarchists of SCI, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.171219.49586@ccvax.ucd.ie> bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.211359.9648@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>> 1] At lunch at the dining halls today, Njan told a pretty girl,
>>    an astounding fact:
>>    
>>   
>    [bulshit deleted]
> 
>  where do you get this bulshit from? this SCI is not your perantal property...

1]
Swear do you? Get this, O bullshit from SCI! miss not your peridontal copper-T!

2] Go rub your face in a used bidet stool,
   get rid of that awful taste,
   quench your burning thirst for liquid waste,
   after that stay bottom-fused and sedate cool.


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.    o o      signito ergo sum.              paul chemmanoor.                .
.     |    i sign therefore i am.            Computer Science department.    .
.     =                                      Univ. of Colorado, Boulder.     .
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From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: EMAIL ADDRESS OF PANTNAGAR UNIVERSITY WANTED
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:58:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ennews.1992Sep3.155823.3238
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
writes on soc.culture.indian:

)manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
)	I think you are taking this a bit too far. what does rec.humor have 
)to do with india? But kerala is part of india, I dont see any reason
)why the query is not valid on ACK and these threats you make about flaming..
)please.. not on *public* nets.. if you people feel like dictators find 
)a banana republic somewhere and try it there or else *moderate* this group!
)if you dont want to take that responsibility then you will just have to 
)live with post which *you* think are invalid.

Let me explain how the original posters decide where to post:

1. Hey, I am from this region [TN, Kerala, karnataka, AP]. I am likely
to get good responses from my fellow state people. Why not post it
here?

2. I am looking for the person from this state. Why not post it here?

3. I don't care where it goes to. Just put all newsgroups related to
India and just hope for some reply with the assumption that either the
person you are looking for or someone who knows him responds. Some
folks test our patience by posting the same stuff twice, thrice...

4. The unpardonable folks who don't know what crossposting is. This is
an offshoot of (3). They should be shot to death. :-)

If you want to stretch the reasoning, be my guest. Ofcourse I
have seen thousands of such requests flow past and can judge
effectively who has put in some effort in doing some bit of searching
themselves and who has not. Ofcourse if the search seemed trivial
enough, sometimes I reply and sometimes that poster info gets stored in some
brain cell. That is my killfile. :-)

FYI, there is a group called soc.net-people too for those who didn't
know. The majority of the queries posted here can be answered by the 2
FAQ postings in that group just by reading them. If the FAQs are not
available in your system, blame your news administrator for all the
ills. :-)

Sridhar.
From: sarwate@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Dilip V. Sarwate)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hinduism and animal sacrifices
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:17:16 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

Many current-day rituals and `poojas' use whole coconuts in various ways.  The
coconuts are always placed with the "eyes" pointed upward.  It is arguable that
as Hindu religious practice abandoned animal sacrifices (whether as a response
to Buddhism or because of vegetarianism), these coconuts probably were used as
stylized representations of the heads of sacrifical animals.  Over the years,
the significance has been forgotten, and nowadays people would be horrified at
the very suggestion.

Dilip Sarwate
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Does 14th August means NOTHING to us INDIANS?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:27:04 GMT

desai@utkvx3.utk.edu (Desai, Dharmin) writes:


(stuff deleated of reference article)


>Adil you are a one son of a b.... 


What does it mean?

Sorry! you should have understood that my posting
is not on *.*.us.asian-indian


I am not an  A.B.C.D. 


Bye
Adil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: Abhu Dhabi
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:10:09 GMT

What has happened to 10 Indians down there. I heard that external affairs minister has ignored this matter. Won't anybody talk about this. Is this a
civilized world or not.
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: At least 41 killed, dozens hurt in India train collision
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:32:09 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- A train packed with sleeping passengers
slammed into a parked freight train early Friday in central India,
killing at least 41 people and leaving scores injured.
        A Railways Ministry spokesman said many of the injured remained in
critical condition following the accident, which occurred shortly after
midnight near the city of Raigarh, 625 miles southwest of New Delhi.
        The collision wrecked the passenger train's locomotive and first
three cars.
        The passenger train was traveling 470 miles from Nagpur city to the
steel-producing city of Jamshedpur when the accident occurred.
        Medical teams quickly rushed to the remote area, while senior
railroad officials flew to the site aboard an Air Force jet.
        However, authorities did not immediately know the cause of the
catastrophe.
(lifted without permission from clari.news.trouble --- so sue me!!!)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:25:33 -0400 
From: "Manu S. Kumar" <mk5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: URGENT - Need IIT Delhi E-mail address

Hi!

    I urgently require the E-mail address of IIT Delhi. I am especially
interested in the E-mail address of netearth.ERNET.IN - I am unable to
send mail by addressing it to <user-id>@netearth.ernet.in . Any person
who can tell me the address of IIT delhi should E-mail me immediately at
mk5a@andrew.cmu.edu .

    In case an IIT address is not accessible I would appreciate any
E-mail address in the Delhi region.

    Also I urgently need to know if there is any E-mail facility at
Manipal Institute of Technology, Mapipal, Mangalore. If so its address
would be appreciated.

    I shall be extremely thankful to any one who hels me out and shall
acknowlwdge receipt of their mail.

    If this letter is read by anyone at IIT delhi they should email me ASAP.


    
                                                            Manu



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala
From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: EMAIL ADDRESS OF PANTNAGAR UNIVERSITY WANTED
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:27:41 GMT

misra@enterprise.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
 > trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:
 >
 > >This was inappropriate. Pantnagar is in U.P.; while a case can
 > >be made that the question belonged in soc.culture.indian,
 > >posting it to Tamil and Kerala specific groups made no sense.
 >
 > One could make that arguement only after assumeing that people in 
 > those groups dont have an answer to the questions... I dont see the
 > point in having groups unmoderated and shouting when someone posts 
 > something on it

This kind of childishness points to what has become almost a
national weakness in our character: Without someone being
there to actually prevent us, or without a serious threat of
punishment, we shall feel free to act irresponsibly. And then
act offended should anybody suggest acting responsibly.

The only flicker of intelligence and responsibility displayed 
by the original poster was the guess that Pantnagar might be 
somewhere in India. Any atlas in any library would have placed 
it FAR way from Tamilnadu or Kerala, but why bother?

Since, almost certainly, this superbly focussed querry could not
have yet resulted in anyone finding the e-mail address of Pantnagar,
may I suggest correcting the previous oversight of not posting it 
to rec.music.indian.classical and rec.music.indian.misc? Surely 
there are people from Pantnagar interested in music. What is more,
there is no moderaotor preventing you from acting like a dimwit idiot.

How about rec.sports.cricket?

Soc.culture.jewish is also unmoderated (those unsuspecting fools)
and we CANNOT assume that no Jewish person has ever had any contact 
with Pantnagar; why not have a go at that too?

And let's not forget comp.sys.next.advocacy since someone from
around Pantnagar just might have strong opinions about NeXT.

-----
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.india,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: FLAT (APARTMENT) FOR SALE IN BANGALORE
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 08:16:51 GMT

lsornmo@gemini.ldc.lu.se writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.121407.11131@newstand.syr.edu>, lchandar@rodan.acs.syr.edu (L. Chandar) writes:
>>AN APARTMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING DESCRIPTION IS FOR SALE:
>>
>>2 K.M. FROM WINDSORMANOR, 6 K.M. FROM M.G.ROAD, CLOSE TO MEKHRI CIRCLE,
>>NEW FLAT TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM, DRAWING DINING 975 SQ FT SUPER BUILT,
>>OPEN CARPARK.
>>
>>EXPECTED PRICE: Rs. 6.5 LAKHS ( APPROX.- $25000).  FINAL PRICE NEGOTIABLE.
>>
>>FOR FURTHER DETAILS, PLEASE CONTACT: MRS.GEETHA NATARAJAN/ MR.NATARAJAN AT
>>(01191) (812) 628120.
>>
>>---chandar  

>In which city and country. I know that you are refering in Bangalore.
>Better to specify.

>bye
>RSR

How many Banglore cities are in the World, Mr. RSR?

Bye
Adil
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 11:37:08 EDT
From: <IO01144@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:    LOOKING FOR XAVERIANS - CALCUTTA.

hI!
I am looking for ex - xaverians who might have trickled into USA
during the last two years. I graduated in 1987 with Eco (Hons.)
and am presently doing my MBA at U.Maine, Orono. If anyone out
there happens to know me, send me mail at

IO01144@Maine.Maine.edu
So Long,
Mrityunjoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian