From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Answering Mr. Nabil
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:46:33 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <3627@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <11181@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>>In article <IeZvGPy00VAwQ0q4AE@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>
>>This analogy is rather faulty.  The US liberated Kuwait just as the
>>Allies liberated France.
>
>Your comparison is hilarious.  The liberation of Kuwait was incredibly
>simplistic.  More than half of Iraqi soldiers surrendered so what does
>that tell you?  That their hearts were not in the matter initially -
>they were just obeying orders half-heartedly; and two, that it was not
>a battle - just a display of U.S. suppression of innocent people in
>Iraq by serving their rich and spineless servants.

It is difficult for me to imagine even the most reluctant Iraqi troops
honestly wanting to hand Kuwait back to its innocent people unless 
it was faced with military confrontation by a more powerful force.

Your view of everything is simplistic, sophomoric and juvenile: everything 
you and your people do is pure and clean, while everyone else is wrong, 
unless they support you; every stupid, immoral, and sleazy position you
or your leadership has taken is to be forgiven for past injustices, 
actual and perceived.

>
>>  The US defeated Iraq just as the US defeated
>>Germany.  Now perhaps the US should have occupied Iraq as the allies
>>occupied Germany, and there is good reason for the debaathification,
>>de-arabization and de-islamification of Iraq in analogy with the
>>de-nazification of Germany
>
>What an absurd analogy but typical coming from an ignoramous like
>yourself.  

As the saying goes, people in glass houses...

>There is a definite reason for 'debaathification' since
>it is a tyranny but what the hell does Islam have to do with it?
>And why do you promote Kuwaiti unity while suggesting that every
>other Arab country be 'de-arabized'?
>
>Your statements lack any substenance and the more you continue
>on this line of insults and bigotry, the more people are going
>to be aware of it and finally ignore your postings.

Anisa, you are the most consistent bigot on this net.  You deny any 
wrongdoing of any sort on the part of Palestinians and blame *everyone else* 
for your problems.  You call a whole nation "greedy", "arrogant", and now 
"spineless" and then you turn around and demand compassion and justice
from this nation after betraying decades of compassion and help. 

When can we hold you accountable for your actions and political positions? 
Enquiring minds want to know...

>
>Unfortunately I couldn't resist.

Neither could I.

You have bitter, resentful feelings against Kuwaitis because Kuwait
is a rich country.  Don't deny that these feelings were present 
well before the aftermath of Desert Storm and the refusal by
the Kuwaiti government to renew visas for Palestinians.  During
the occupation you were echoing the opinions of the majority of your
people, those supportive of Saddam Hussein's crime.  Despite Kuwait's
massive aid programs for Palestinians. Despite its building of 
Hospitals for Palestinians.  Despite its building of educational 
institutions for Palestians?  Despite its funding of the Palestinians 
intelligentsia in the occupied territories.  Despite its bankrolling 
of what most Palestinians recognize as their governing institution.  
Despite providing the most prosperous and secure setting for a Palestinian
community *ANYWHERE* before the invasion by Iraq.
All this, despite the fact that Arabs in the Gulf were either ignored 
or looked  down upon by their more prosperous cousins by the 
Meditteranean. 

The reversal of fortune that has taken place in the last few decades is
marked by considerably more compassionate feelings and gestures on the 
part of Gulf Arabs toward these same people who showed not a slight
glimmer of compassion for their hardships before oil was discovered.

Despite years of political and financial promotion of the liberation of 
your people, it seems that these old habits die hard. In addition to the 
Government aid I have mentioned, I remember back in the seventies around 
the times of the wars, my relatives and friends had posters decrying 
Israeli bombardement of Palestinian refugee camps and the suffering of 
Palestinian children.  During the gulf war, your relatives and friends 
cheered as Saddam invaded, and then systematically proceeded to rape, 
pillage, and massacre the Kuwaiti nation in order to wipe it off the 
face of the earth.

When will you come to terms with these betrayals?  I suspect never.  
But that's ok, because Kuwait can most certainly thrive without you if 
it needs to.

>
>Anisa
>


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