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Subject: Log of Conversation


	Ok, listen. People were telling me you were a jerk, recall? I 
 decided to research. This is what I found. Slightly edited, because
 we strayed off subject, and they know they are being logged. :)

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Mai says, "Hatch and Carelia were the people he sneaked in and logged"
Claire smiles and hugs you.
You say, "Hatch and Carelia?"
You say, "You got this from Hatch, ne?"
Mai says, "He is a suicidal obsessive"
Mai says, "No I didn't"
You say, "From Carelia?"
Mai says, "Tugrik will also back it upo"
Mai says, "No Laura"
Mai says, "ANd she knows himrl VERY well"
You say, "Laura is Maori, right?"
Mai says, "Yes"
Mai says, "Chris is not sane, lvoe"
Mai says, "He's been in an institution already"
Claire knows. She sent him there.
Mai says, "ANd invilved with things I can't even tell you"
Mai says, "Okay then."
Claire was the one who made RATINOX (Bear, Blaze) call the police that sent
him to the hospitol.
You say, "Why can't you tell me."
Mai says, "Then you know not to believe him"
Mai says, "Because the circumstances were told in strict confidance"
Mai says, "I will tell you this..."
Claire listens.
Mai says, "Laura said, if you want to be completely shocked about him, ask
her."
Mai says, "ANd he will tell you Laura is a liar"
Mai says, "He has been libleing her on the net for a while"
Mai says, "Love...get away from him, fast"
Mai says, "You are in danger"
Mai says, "You do NOT need the hurt he will do you"
Mai says, "Youhave enough problems"
You page, "Can we talk?" to Maori.
Claire agrees and tries to talk with Maori.
Maori pages: Maori sighs.. Right now? Can we talk in about 10 minutes?
You page, "Yes, sure." to Maori.
Mai says, "I will not speak to him, and fully expect him to attack me at his
earliest opportunity once he knows my feelings"
Claire notes she's put on hold.
Mai says, "Okay...she has anotehr thing going on too"
You say, "I want to question him."
You say, "And he's going to ask why."
Mai says, "Claire...about what I just said...asking Laura"
Claire nods.
Mai says, "It's last resort"
Claire wants to know.
Claire is also going to ask Chrus.
Claire Chris.
Mai says, "What do you knwo of Sharla?"
Claire thinks.... "Girlfriend of his, pregancy...."
Mai nods...
You say, "He told me that she was a habitual liar, and that although she
claimed to be pregnant, and although she claimed to have had a miscarriage of
his baby, he has much evidence to prove that it never ever happened."
You say, "Including his parent's research of the whole thing."
Mai sighs
Claire thought it was a little stretchy.
Mai says, "DId you know he spied on kaliffio and lanya,too?"
Mai says, "Dammit, I'm sick of this!"
You say, "All these people he 'spied' on are people that he has been involved
with very emotionally... Tugrik had a thing for Lanya once upon a time, and
Erych was concerned for Tug..."
Mai says, "Claire..."
You say, "And same with Carelia and Hatch."
Mai says, "CHris is obsessive and deranged, and a compulsive liar"
You say, "I can see why he's doing it, but I don't approve."
Mai says, "brb..."
Mai says, "Okay?"
Claire shrugs and wipes her eyes.
Mai hugs you
Mai has left.
Mai pages: I hate doing this, love
Mai has arrived.
Mai says, "I will leave it be"
You say, "I want to know as much as possible."
Mai says, "I can't just stand by and let friends do things that will hurt
them"
Claire wants to know everything.
Claire hms.
You page, "Can I talk to you? Please?" to Tugrik.
Mai says, "He may say they're all lying..whom will you  believe?"
Claire doesn't know.
Claire knows that Chris has pissed of those who are accusing him, and that, in
their anger, they could be as dishonest as he.
Mai says, "He's just one person....it's stretching it pretty thin that somany
people would all be lying"
Mai says, "ANd I won't have laura accused of that"
Mai says, "She of all people is 100 percent honest"
Claire needs to talk to her then.
You page, "Tor, seriously." to Tugrik.
Mai says, "AND was formerly VERY close to him"
Claire never heard her name mentioned as.... as close one.
Mai says, "I'm not surprised"
You page, "Please come to this room." to Tugrik.
You sent your summons to Tugrik.
Mai says, "He's too busy telling everyone she gets close to that she's
terrible"
Claire's head reels.
Tugrik pages: can Lanya come along?
You page, "Yes." to Tugrik.
Tugrik pages: She's my friend, RL, and we're talking....
Mai says, "He has gone so far as to tell her she'd have to kill him to get her
to froget his love"
Mai get him, not get her
Mai says, "Claire, he's out of his mind"
Claire feels a little ill.
Claire spent MONEY on this person.
Claire gags.
Mai says, "He couldn't tell you the truth even if he could see it"
Mai says, "He is in a fantasy world"
Claire debates talking to his parents.
Mai says, "And he needs help"
Claire wonders if they are a lie too.
Mai says, "He is smooth, manipualtive"
Claire has seen smooth, but no manipulation.
Mai says, "He tried to hurt Carelia"
Mai says, "He wanted her"
You say, "How?"
Mai says, "By logging her and Hatch's 'wedding night' "
Tugrik has arrived.
Mai says, "He hurt her so badly he almost ruined her rl on relationships at
all"
Lanya has arrived.
Mai says, "Hello.."
Claire notes his story is as thus: They had a relationship, and sex, and a
good time...it got serious, he realized he didn't want to be a father to her
children, tried to back out, and she paniced and said he was all she had left
and that she would just die without him... he felt helpless, but had to leave
her. She was upset, and got over it. Meanwhile, Hatch and she had formed
something, and Hatch became seriously angry at Erych. Erych felt it was
undeserved and was angry at Hatch.
Mai says, "I'm trying to tell Claire about CHris/Erych"
Claire oopses. "Hi Tugrik."
Lanya curtsies.
Tugrik nickers, as he and his freind Lanya zhoop in.
Mai says, "I'm in the middle of this..i care abotu Claire, but I can't do this
all myself"
Tugrik settles in to listen.
Claire is wanting her eyes opened. She has never thought of Chris as a bad
guy. 
Tugrik ooks.
Mai says, "Tug, tell her about him from your viewpoint"
Tugrik says, "Claire.. um...."
Tugrik is heavily biased.  In a *BIG HUGE WAY*.
Mai nods
Claire, in fact, likes Chris very very much... but...
Tugrik leaves it to say he could go on for *hours*.  "How much do you wish to
know, is all I need to ask.
You say, "Biased by what event/person?"
Lanya looks at Tugrik.  She smiles faintly. 
Claire knows about Lanya and Kal.
Tugrik says, "Claire... I started mudding about a full year ago. It will be,
come the 21s t or so of this month."
Tugrik says, "Erych started on Muds about 2 weeks after."
Tugrik says, "And I've known him since."
Claire understands from Erych that whatever happened there was because of
Erych's concern for Tugrik... because supposedly, you, Tor, were getting RL
and VR too scrwed to deal.
Tugrik says, "and except for a few week-long spurts of "good mood"... it's
been a very BAD year with Erych."
Tugrik ntoes this has *nothign* to do with Lanya and Kali. Erych never got
near that situation, as far as tug knows.
Claire knows. She had to have Bear/Ratinox/Blaze call the police for him. He
was institutionalized.
Tugrik nods. "That's the start. the "Ahma Gale" incident."
Tugrik says, "From there... the Ongoing Taryn Battles. But that's all VR."
Claire notes Maori said that Erych @set himself dark and /logged something
with Lanya and Kali...thereby destroying his rep even more.
Tugrik nods. "not confirmed, but rumored."
Claire nods.
Claire BLINKs.... "Abigail started Erych off on this?"
Tugrik nods. "Mudside."
Claire GAHs and feels awful.
Tugrik says, "not Abi's fault."
Tugrik says, "Erych's."
Claire feels queasy..."go on."
Tugrik says, "holdon.. phone..."
Claire has a strong desire to /log this... delicate matter needs to be
recorded so no one is accused of lying...etcetc.... bad idea, no?
Mai says, "It wouldn't matter if you did..logscan be edited"
Tugrik says, "its' Maori on the phone. "
Mai says, "Unnamed persons can just say it was altered...not really any
evidence at all"
Mai nods
Mai says, "She said ehr link was bad"
Mai whispers, "*hug* don't hate me for doing this,please?"
You whisper, "I don't... I *want* to know." to Mai.
Claire sighs and asks Tugrik to continue...
Tugrik says, "just ONE sec... holdon..."
Tugrik hangs up.
Tugrik has a real problem with typing and talking. Sorry.
Tugrik says, "okay.  If you wish my *honest* opinion about Erych."
Mai whispers, "good. I'llbe frank with you...it seems to me you get taken in
by bad sorts too easily. I want to help you be wary"
You say, "So Chris is an obsessive compulsive liar? Suicidal maniac? And a
psycho wizard?"
Tugrik says, "One of my biggest thigns in life is the fact that I want
*honesty*, and just plain true opinions."
Tugrik says, "My complaint with Erych, is his motives."
You whisper, "I am taken. Easily. (pun intended) ;)" to Mai.
Tugrik is NOT going to rag on him;  tug don' need to.
Claire listens.
Mai says, "I've done that enough already :/"
Tugrik says, "It is *rare* that I see Erych start a friendship, a
relationship, or a project, because it's something *good*, or something he
*wants*."
Tugrik says, "9 times outta 10 I see him starting it so he can (1) have
somethign someone else has, (2) stop somethign he's jealous of, or (3) use the
situation, even if he doesn't like it, for personal gain or "trophyism.""
Tugrik says, "so.. while I do NOT actively go around and tell everybody bad
thigns about him..."
Tugrik says, "I really fear for those he gets close to."
Mai nods
Tugrik says, "You see... if he *ever* goes TRUE.. and really cares, and starts
something up.. i have *no* problem. None.  He can be a great guy."
Mai can't ever believe him whenn he claims to be,tho
Claire wonders what... he wants from her.
Tugrik says, "But... he just DOESN'T.  I dunno why.  He'd rather base things
on insecurity, jealousy, or sympathy."
Claire can think only of Trophyism. She is *the* Claire after all, right.
Tugrik makes a little list, in order.
Mai sighs and nods
Tugrik says, "First Abi/Tug."
Tugrik says, "then Taryn/Tug."
Tugrik says, "Then GreyShetland/Tug."
Tugrik says, "Then Lufy/Tug."
Tugrik says, "then an attempt at Ellissa, also someone near me."
Tugrik says, "then Lanya/Kaliffio."
Tugrik says, "Then what Katerina and I have, friendshipwise."
Tugrik says, "Carelia and Hatch."
Tugrik says, "Most of those are VR related, yes."
Tugrik says, "But.. the lanya/kaliffio one.. carelia/hatch... and
Katerina/me... are very very near, if not fully, RL."
Tugrik says, "Claire.. have you DL'd the "erych/shat.gif" that Bunnell drew?"
Claire shakes her head.
Tugrik says, "do so, sometime, if you've never seen him RL."
Lanya only feels sorry for Erych, but it's the way she is.
Mai wishes she could, but that's the way *she* is.
Tugrik says, "According to Shaterri, and Bunnell, and others... they all say
that the charicturized expression is *exact* to his constant RL."
Tugrik says, "Shat looking gleeful, and happy.. and erych with that "downer"
look."
Claire smirks.
Tugrik sees a cycle, whenever Erych goes into a VR relationship. 
Tugrik says, "it starts with something I do *not* know of, that initally
attracts the other to him."
Tugrik says, "then... they start to get unhappy/leery of him.. and wander off.
Or start liking another."
Tugrik says, "he *gives up*, on the spot.  Goes away. Sulks.  "
Tugrik says, "and *makes shure you know this*. Constantly.  All the time."
Tugrik says, "and... lays it on so thick.  He is *the* Zen-master of
depression/sympathy runs. Watch out for it."
Tugrik says, "usually resulting in that one who left... coming back.  If not
out of sorrow, out of 'I wan' help him make this RIGHT.""
Claire tries to bring this down to her situation with Chris... She likes him a
whole lot. Enough to spend a few nights on the phone with him, talking. They
get along well on the MUDs as well... She's not seen *any* of this behavior
since the Ahma Gale incident.
Tugrik says, "then.. after a little bit.. he angers/ignores/plays around (he
IS a major poligimast, even RL from what I hear from others).. and the cycle
repeats."
Carelia pages: Carelia waves.
Tugrik nods. "he's been in a different circle of friends than yours, Claire."
Tugrik has been *all* too close with him. "The Ahma Gale thing was TINY
compared to a few thigns."
Tugrik does not want to *BASH* him.  Erych doesn't NEED that.  "But.. I see so
many around him, with him, VR and RL.. ending up getting hurt, or angered, or
scared. 
Claire notes Carelia paged. Invite her? Bad idea?
Tugrik does not LIKE seeing people get hurt, ever.
Tugrik shrugs. "that is up to you. She may have interesting thigns to say, or
she may just have anger. I do not know."
Tugrik says, "but prolly a good idea for *you* to talk to her."
Mai says, "I say bring her"
Claire has seen Chris inch into these modes you refer to, but always, being
the selfish, gut-wrenchingly blunt and forthright up to the point of being
rude and with an attitude person that she is.... she's stopped him.
Completely. Including his most recent suicidal bout... which was the day 'fore
yesterday.
Tugrik ooks.  Nods.
Tugrik says, "And.. the worst part."
You page, "Please, join us all in a discussion about Erych. From west of park:
n, n, nn, e, e, mai." to Carelia.
Tugrik says, "His 'bouts' suicide-like themselves."
Tugrik says, "it only draws people nearer to him... and it's all so
ANGST-prone."
Mai hates that word with all the passion in her heart
Tugrik says, "currently, in VR, he's with Margot, Katerina, and somewhat (tho
not 'functionaly') with Abigail."
Claire has not let Erych angst to her. In fact, what brought him out of that
bout was her walking out on his angst that night. He ended up calling her with
an apology and a new attitude.
Tugrik says, "and in RL.. he says he's for someone in the town of Pittsburg,
that I forget the name for.. and you... and also a bigger potential of
something with Katerina RL."
Mai says, "Claire, we all know what a breath of sunshine you are, hon..."
Tugrik has an Honest Opinion here.
Mai whispers, "*huge hug*"
Claire looks at Mai quizzically. "Huh?" she asks, eloquently.
Tugrik says, "he needs to be *removed* from virtual reality, and also his
peer-okay abilitys of wizardship, for a while.  With those he *RL CARES
ABOUT*.  I truely believe that if you and him have somethign started, Claire,
it'd work 200x better if you get him "
Tugrik says, "..OFF these games for a while."
Claire notes she's doing just that/ Want to know something?
Tugrik says, "he *has* it in him to make relationships work.  He has it in him
to love someone.  But... he's just not using that."
Tugrik nodsnods. Inform Tug, please.
Mai sighs. She just wants him away from her and away from her friends.
Lanya doesn't want to get anymore irritation from Erych, otherwise she'll hold
a grudge Erych-wards..
Claire has worked very hard with Chris, making him (hopefully) realize his
potential. His parents are in contact (soon) with Claire's parents, and they
are organizing an effort to have Chris move to Austin (a very small,
accepting, friendly little college town) to get a job and stay in the spare
room for a little while. This is still iffy, but looking more possible.
Tugrik smiles, and leans back into Lanya's petting.  "Vr should be for things
like this. The way you can share a simple smile and good mood with someone you
care about.  Not *anger* and *jealousy*, depression and fear, like Erych's had
of late.
Tugrik grins.  "Do you know that that'd do him a *WORLD* of good?  Just, if
you can do this... KEEP HIM OFFA THTA TERMINAL."
Tugrik says, "let him at the kbd.. and tehre goes his RL time, his
job-hunting, and most of his mood.""
Claire notes Chris has a very admirable streak in him... it's just hard to
access.
You say, "Right now, currently, at this moment, he's out of town with an old
friend Leslie."
Tugrik nodsnods. "I've seen it, myself. that's why I don't *HATE HATE* the
man, tho it's VERY near, this week."
You say, "He almost didn't go, because he wanted to be sure I was happy and he
wanted to log on and spend time with me. I called him to wish him a happy
Fourth this morning... and told him to *go* or I'd *kill* him, in so many
words."
Tugrik nods.  "good plan."
Tugrik notes that his RL friend Hatch wan' HURT Erych. Badly.
Claire knows.
Tugrik, himself, would like to shake him a bit... just to bring him to his
senses.
Carelia has arrived.
Claire is a gaint shake to his shoulder, she believes.
Carelia waves.
You say, "Hi Carelia. Topic: What do *you* think of Chris?"
Mai says, "I just can't find it in me to see his good. I'm sorry, I'm not
emotionally capable of seeing him as other than an object of pain and
suffering"
Lanya would like to give him a goodly number of hard swats, ayup. :)
Claire notes to Mai that Chris actually has a hard time seeing his *own* good.
Carelia blinks. "Rather all encompassing topic, eh?"
Claire says, "That was a large part of his last bout."
Tugrik looks to Mai. "Even tho he may cause some REAL black..every person has
the ability to do good."
Mai says, "He epitomizes everything that I have come to see as the evil in
males"
Claire says, "He was feeling inadequet."
Carelia says, "He generally does, Claire."
Tugrik nods. "he's done that around me, Claire."
Claire hugs Mai and laughs, "It'll take more than a Chris to epitomize
EVERYTHING..."
Mai says, "Yug, I have *severe* emotional problems myself...the block is mine"
Mai Yug = Tug
Lanya murmurs "She's not sure everyone's capable of good, but she doesn't hold
grudges, as a matter of self-preservation.
Claire says, "So... how leery should I be of yonder RL happenings..."
Tugrik notes in VR play it's the old "Erych stands aside, letting the better
stallion pass" when he gets in those moods around Tug.
Lanya smiles at Calire..
Lanya sighs.  Claire, even..:)
Claire notes, Tugrik, that she's having FUN with Abigail's RP'ed heat. You, of
course, know all about what 'happened'.... well, it happened because Erych
couldn't stand to see Abigail that way, so he used some magic spell to make
him infertile, and serviced her...but boy do I have a surprise for his
'magic'....
Tugrik nods. "so I thought was going to happen."
Mai shakes her head a little and smiles faintly
You say, "Note Abigail's absence for the past three days."
Tugrik nods. Tug *notes*, believe him.
Claire notes Erych was a bad boy and therefore is...going to eat his just
desserts. With whipped creme.
Tugrik says, "Claire, OOC and IC.. I have a sever problem with doing somethign
*to* someone, instead of WITH someone.  So I couldn't do it, unless Abigail
had found it within her self to want it, not just 'physical need'."
You say, "Well, it was more of a "Let's not and say we did" situation."
Tugrik nickers querrily Clairewards. "what?"
Tugrik don' get you.
You say, "If it matters, he typed about four lines, very bored four lines,
with lots of generic idle terms making it anything but fun, while I just went
on a bout of crazed mare effects."
Tugrik ahs.  "I heard that from Taryn, after she gave in an "played" with him
once."
Claire repeats: Let's not, and say we did. <-- sums up situation.
Tugrik thot it funny. Erych made tug's VRplay hellish for a *month* to get at
Taryn.. so taryn sympethetically plays with him *once* to cool him down.. and
he performed like a dead rat. (snicker).
Mai is, in her heart, bitter and vindictive to a fault, and Chris has played
into the role of target very very skillfully, albiet prolly unintentionally
Tugrik says, "he prolly spent more time, talking to ME about how he "just did
you a service" then, than he did DOING it."
Claire huggles Mai.
Claire nods to Tugrik and grins.
Tugrik ahs.  kaPINgs.
Tugrik says, "THAT is what bothers me about him."
Tugrik says, "he doesn't value his ACTIONS.."
You say, "He doesn't value anything about himself."
Tugrik says, "he values the REACTIONS his actions GET."
Lanya smiles at Tugrik.
Claire notes she has a major problem with MUDders. They have ZILCHO
self-repsect.
Tugrik nods.  "as in... he doesn't care about the race.  But he *damn well*
wants tehe press meeting when he has the trophy."
Claire laughs and nods.
Claire feels that way sometimes, though, Tugrik.
You say, "It's not whether you win, it's how much publicity you get."
Tugrik nods. "liking reactions is there for everybody.  But.. the *action*
itself should have some value to you."
Mai is the opposite...
Tugrik says, "Life's a race. It's the RUNNING that's being alive.  The
trophy's at the END.  you may be ahead, but you's dead."
Claire likes winning and having no recognition, only her own... somehow.
Mai says, "I want the closeness and sharing...and it damn well better be
private"
Claire high5's Tugrik!! Beautiful!
Lanya smiles.  She nods.
Mai nods to Tug...well put
Carelia wonders what started this topic of discussion, anyway.
Mai says, "Me trying to get Claire wise to Chris"
Claire wonders what else he's lied about though. We've got the @set dark
/logging, and Sharla, and Hatch/Carelia.... what else?
Tugrik hmms. "Claire, Question:"
Tugrik says, "has he told you that your his Only Interest?"
Tugrik says, "..(2) that he'd drop everyone else for how he values you... or"
Tugrik says, "..(3) that he's monogamous truely?"
You say, "1) no."
You say, "2) no."
You say, "3) no."
Tugrik nods. "okay. those three are lies I've seen told to about 4 so far.
Tugrik says, "other than that, I canna think of anything."
Carelia says, "He never told me any of that, Tug. Far from it."
You say, "But he has wondered why I like him. He was wondered why I'm trying
to get his life in order. He said: "One of the reasons you are so damned
attractive to me as a relationship is because you're the only one I wouldn't
be scared to leave.""
Tugrik wonders what *you* got from erych, Carelia.
Carelia says, "Other than a BIG headache, you mean?"
Claire chcukles.
Claire chuckles too. To be vogue.
Tugrik hrms.  That's an *interesting* way to put it, claire.
Lanya smiles sympathetically.
You say, "Joelle and Cheryl freaked him out."
Tugrik says, "lately, i've simply been doing one thing. *avoiding* him.  I
find things in my life go a lot smoother if I just leave him 'lone."
Claire has been trying to make her life smooth by avoiding a certain pair of
people... but they follow her, like haunts.
Tugrik thinks you're cool, and you requested him here, or he'd have kept his
blue trap shut tonight, Claire, to keep on avoiding erych and
erychSituations.
Mai sighs and hugs Claire
Mai says, "It's my meddling,Tug"
Claire wants to know as much as she can, Tor.
Tugrik naws. "no problems. you're all friends, so I'm only giving viewpoint,
not defending or fighting."
Mai says, "I can't stand by and let her get into this without the truth"
Tugrik nods to Claire. "That too. information-seeking is *my* way of life, so
I exted it to others too."
Lanya murmurs "She forgot to secure a link_ok point in her domain.."
You say, "She who?"
Tugrik ahs.  Cool.
You say, "She you?"
Lanya realized that Erych had permission to get into her domain by one of the
link points..
You say, "Are you talking in >gasp< third person?"
Tugrik nods to Claire.  "m'Silly lanya here talks in teh one-ness perspective
at times.  This one does it a lot, himself."
Claire snickers.
Lanya murmurs "She knows Erych could get in anyway, but wants in no manner to
make it so her think he's invited..
Claire waits for Carelia to say something. Anything.
Lanya smiles at Claire faintly.
Lanya petpets Tugrik.
Lanya hugs Carelia.
Claire petpets Mai.
Carelia doesn't know where to start, Vlaire.
You say, "VLAIRE?"
Claire LOLs
Carelia V=C. :)
Carelia doesn't touch type. :)
Tugrik nods.  "If you're going to *do it*, *do it* with Vlaire!"
Tugrik says that with the proper accent.
Claire smiles.
Lanya ouches.  That was eyl, Tugrik.
Lanya sighs.  Evyl, even.
Tugrik nodsnods to Lanya. "in more ways than one."
Tugrik snickers scooby-doishly.
Claire wishes Maori were here.
Claire wants more info. 
Carelia says, "Claire..ask me anything and I'll answer it, but I seriously
don't know what you know, what you want to know, or whwere to start.."
Tugrik nodsnod to Claire. "Maori canna get online right now, she called in RL
a lil' bit ago. She's calling Drew now, too."
You say, "Carelia, is it true that you have/had the attitude that Chris is The
One for you, and that after him there is nothing, and that the only reason you
live, after Chris, is for your children? "
Carelia says, "Not exactly."
Mai nods...Laura felt Drew should know Chris was tagging him with the @dark
spying, Claire
You say, "That is almost a direct quote of he about you."
Carelia says, "Tug, it's the one of you holdin hatch unside down."
Carelia says, "What's this about @dark?"
Carelia didn't hear this.
You say, "That Erych abused wiz-powers."
You say, "To spy."
You say, "He denied, and said he never, and Drew has several times... and that
they must be getting mixed up."
Carelia shrugs. "He's first of all not the only wiz to abuse his powers, and
second of all that's not the only time HE has."
Carelia says, "If he has. Which I don't know."
You say, "He did @find's to see if he could locate any of Maori's supposed
"Erych is an Asshole" titled rooms. Saw none."
Mai says, "She retitled it, Claire..."
Claire thought she would.
Carelia says, "Most of the wizzes pull stunts like that, Claire. Wiz power
abuse, I mean."
Lanya smiles.  What an interesting room name. :)
Tugrik really and truely doesn't knwo why he's being a wizard.  Personally
thinks a marjor portion of late is to keep tabs on Erych's wiz-ship.
Tugrik sees Katerina on.
You say, "Ask her to join us."
Tugrik says, "Shoudl we invite her in? she's got a rather interesting
perspective of ERych."
Claire wants Hatch and Maori, still.
Carelia says, "Hatch went to bed."
Claire nods.
Mai says, "SHe's welcome here anytime"
You say, "Tug, get 'er bum in here."
Claire smiles.
Katerina has arrived.
Katerina says, "Xeno, I'm mated to a unicorn.  I had to become on."
Lanya smiles.  She'd got to sleep if she was smarter than she is..:)
Katerina oops.
Tugrik pifts Katerina in.  
Claire laughs.
Lanya laughs.
Katerina got zapped.
Mai hugs Kat hi
Lanya smiles at Katerina.
Katerina hugs everyone hi.
Carelia hugs Katerina.
Claire hugs Katerina. Topic of discussion: Erych.
Katerina says, "So, we're slandering Erych? :)"
Tugrik eeps. Tug's a quick typist. Sorry. :)
Tugrik naws. "discussing."
Katerina settles down for juicy gossip.
Tugrik hoeps to avoid "slander'. For 'slander' is !true.
Carelia giggles at Kat.
You say, "So... Katerina..."
Lanya murmurs "Truth about Erych tends to be the stuff of slander regarding
others.."
Mai says, "Tug, sumon Kahrynda"
Katerina giggles.
You say, "Do find Erych a compulsive liar, an obsessive maniac, or a moody
idiot?"
You say, "Or any combination of any of those words?"
Lanya wants the all-of-the-above selection, Claire.  Please? :)
Carelia grins at Claire.
Katerina hasn't seen the liar part, but two out of three ain't bad.
You say, "Why do you think those two, Katerina?"
Mai says, "Kahrynda == Laura,Claire..she's on and will join us...Tug?"
Tugrik nods, asks permission, he alwas tries to.
Lanya eeks.  She tsktsks Katerina.  
Claire nods to Lanya and hands her a little card with a "D) All of the Above"
written on it.
Kahrynda has arrived.
Mai hugs Kahrynda hi!
Lanya smiles.  "Thank you, Claire."
You say, "Why do you think those two, Katerina?"
Lanya hugs Claire..
Katerina says, "One, obsessive maniac... more like ob-comp.  Everyone who
falls in love with Erych he thinks he has to love."
Kahrynda says, "hi... If my link dies, its the fascist sysops with nothing
better to do than kill links."
Tugrik lookies and lookies at all the pretty women.  Then breaks out
snickering, and settles back to hear talk.
Carelia hugs Tugrik!
Lanya petpets Tugrik.
Tugrik gets attention! Way Cool.
You say, "Tuuugriiik... can you say g-e-l-d-i-n-g??"
Lanya smiles at Kahrynda.
Katerina says, "Also, he is suddenly determined that I am to be his life mate,
and that Tug is to stay away from me and our children.  His family-mania is
hopefully peaking, because he's driving me nuts."
Kahrynda smiles back.
Lanya laughs at Claire..
Tugrik IYPE!s and quite fully AVOIDS claire. AT least with his hind end.
Claire giggles.
Carelia thinks she can add to that, Kat.
Kahrynda mutters somethign about castrating committee.
Katerina says, "Wait, #2 coming up."
Katerina says, "Wait, what was point #2?"
You say, "moodines"
You say, "moodiness, and obsessiveness were your points."
Katerina says, "Ah, moody idiot."
Lanya petpets Tugrik.
Claire just *said* that.
Katerina says, "As in one day he wants to be with me, can't stand to be away
from me."
Katerina says, "The next day he's very passe and flippant."
Claire can tell you why on that one.
Katerina says, "The next very insecure, the next very attentive and gentle."
Lanya tickles Tugrik.  
Tugrik tries to stand *real* still. It's not working, tho.
Katerina says, "Thanks, Kahr.  Manic-depressive obsessive-compulsive.  A
neurotic on two levels."
You say, "He is flippant, and tries to make up for it VERY hard... he is
insecure, and tries not to be next time you see him... makes him swerve all
over the place, because he's afraid of displeasing."
Mai shudders
Katerina understands that.
Carelia agrees with Claire.
Lanya murmurs "Thus, he is almost never being himself.."
You say, "Insecure *is* himself."
Carelia again agrees with Claire.
Tugrik nos.. and thinks Lanya is right.
Claire is banging him over the head with a brick every half-minute until he
just stops trying to second-guess himself to hell.
Tugrik says, "Way back when, long time ago, I saw somethign in mr. Chris Moir.
 More of a person.  Now I just see the mood swings, but I think there's a
"self" behind it all."
Kahrynda says, "Why do you need to do that for him, Claire?"
Kahrynda says, "Claire, you are a wonderful person."
You say, "I don't know why I do it to him or for him.... I've decided it could
be love. But now, with all this, I think: Holy mistakes, Batman."
Kahrynda says, "I'd like to you find someone as wonderful as you are... I have
yet to hear ONE bad word spoken about you on the net."
Claire hasn't even *met* you, Laura. (laugh) 
Kahrynda says, "Claire, you are one of THE most popular net females"
Claire is flattered and blushes and all that just in case.
Carelia giggles.
Mai smiles
Katerina thinks all you femmes are nuts.
Kahrynda says, "I know you havent - I hide on the Muses."
Kahrynda grins.
Tugrik don' say bad things about Claire.  Claire talked to a Tug on the RL
phone and didn't even make fun of him.  So Claire is cool. -:=8)
You say, "What is there to make fun of, Tor?"
You say, "Besides your name. ;)"
Kahrynda says, "Claire, whether you acknowledge it or not, you are popular,
and thus well spoken of and well thought of. YOu can see WHY he would be
attracted to you."
Tugrik snickers.  "You got it."
Lanya petpets Tugrik.
Katerina wows.
Katerina is the type who is popular with guys, but never with girls.
Kahrynda says, "Claire, he is attentive as part of his complulsive dependency.
His attentiveness si a big boost, its a rush to find someoen as attentive as
him, BUT - you will later find it is not heatlhy."
Claire acknowledges popularity. Yes. People she has never seen before run up
and say; "Are you *the* Claire?" Makes her feel good...or at least as if she
just ate some really well done steak.
Tugrik nods. Tells Katerina that Claire's everywhere. "Mojo nixon should write
a song.  'cause everbody is Claire."
Claire nods to Laura.
Kahrynda says, "Claire, half the time, ppl think *I* am you."
You say, "What is your relationship to him?"
Kahrynda says, "they think most of my characters are you."
Kahrynda says, "Claire - I try to avoid him. I am on here only cuz Lynx is on
here and Tal and a few others."
Mai smirks...she, on the other hand,gets mistaken for Laura
Kahrynda says, "I dated him for quite a few months, and you know that."
Claire gah's at "Lynx" and smiles pleasantly.
Claire *didn't* know that, Laura.
Kahrynda says, "oh.. okay."
Carelia knew it. :)
Kahrynda says, "I'm affectionately known as an axe welding, ball busting
bitch. *grin* *nudges Tugz*"
Claire says, "Oh boy?"
Mai smirks....Chris's terms
Tugrik just happily leans 'gainst Lanya, and looks *innocently* to Kahrynda.
Claire smirks.
Lanya prefers the staff, herself. :)
Kahrynda snickers.
You say, "So here's the deal: Tor says I'll be good for Chris. Maybe should
try. Laura says: I should stay away from Chris. Holy mistakes, Batman."
Lanya snugs Tugrik.
Tugrik nopenopes to Claire. "I never put it that way.  What I mean is this: 
If you *want* chris.. you CAN make it work."
Kahrynda nods.. BUT I reserve your right to get all bruised by him if it will
be the only way you learn what an ass he is.
Claire sorta kionda likes him lots, yeah.
Carelia says, "I don't think so, Tug."
Claire is sorta kinda not knowing.
Tugrik smiles, and snugs Lanya back.
Claire doesn't know how much of a liar he may be.
Mai thinks, knowing what she does of Claire's life right now, that Chris is
the very worst thing she could ever get involved with
Kahrynda says, "Okay."
Kahrynda says, "Claire, let me ask you this."
You say, "No."
Kahrynda says, "Are you looking for monogamy?"
Tugrik turns to Carelia. " No, it's in Erych, to make it work at some point." 
Turns to Claire. "I jus tpersonally think that you shouldn't have to go thru
the time and FLACK it will take.
You say, "No. Not really. Only if he were local."
Carelia says, "That's not what I meant, Tug."
Carelia nods to Claire.
Claire notes he can screw anyone he wants, physical != love.
You say, "HOWEVER..."
Katerina says, "Wait a second.  I'm lost.  I know who Carelia is.  I obviously
know who Tugrik is.  Claire is from Texas?  Who are Lanya and Kahrynda and
Mai?"
Kahrynda is in Minnesota = Laura = Tygress...
Mai == Cyndi
Lanya isn't anyone in particular, nope, nope.
Katerina says, "Nuts.  Crazy.  Loco.  Claire, you're IN Sane.  But I don't
know where Sane is, myself."
Lanya smiles.
Claire has been SLAMMED by that very philosophy. Take Fluffy. (Far away.)
Fluffy was bf, had freedom to screw, screwed...THEN FELL IN LOVE (w/Nirvana)
...is with Nirvana. Nirvana in Texas. Claire in Texas. Fluffy in Texas this
Monday. AUGH!!!!
Tugrik smiles widely.  "Lanya is very special to a few of us. Leave it to say,
"She's Very Cool", Katerina.
Lanya smiles at Tugrik.  "Thank you, dear one."  She hugs Tugrik.
Claire notes she knows Lanya farely well, but Lanya don't know Claire knows
that Lanya knows that Claire knows Lanya very well because it was with another
character. Or something.
Katerina can stand it no more.  She jumps into Tug's lap!
You say, "With Mai?"
Katerina says, "Ridiculous folk."
Claire wishes Tug luck.
Katerina says, "Sure, why not?"
Mai eeps and vacates it just in time
Tugrik eeks! *floomf*. Smiles. Hugs Katerina.
Kahrynda says, "Claire, I wish you luck. If you can change him, great, but I
dont think having to "change" him is a good thing.. It's not healthy to be a
counselour"
Lanya smiles at Claire.  She sees, she supposes.
Carelia agrees with Laura.
Claire notes Ken called her on the phone, and (GET THIS!) flirted with her
*mother* for about forty-five minutes.
Kahrynda snickers..
Mai icks
Tugrik hooHOOOs.
Tugrik says, "your mother IS a fiesty one, tho, Claire."
Tugrik imagines your mother got a real hoot out of it.
Kahrynda says, "can you spell d e s p a r a t e, boys and girls?"
You say, "I'd have to agree with you, Lanya."
Carelia laughs at Laura's comment.
Claire looks at Laura, "K. E. N."
Lanya smiles.  


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