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From: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Columbus and 1492
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:13:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.Btx4AD.Fo7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg) writes:

>In article <3220082@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, gorrindo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sue Gorrindo) writes:
>|> Yup, there are two Columbus films released this year.
>|> 
>|> The first was a bomb - hope 1492 will be better!
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Don't bet on it.  

>Sam

Oh, I don't know.  Ridley Scott is a great director, and Gerrard Depardieu is
a good actor.  I think that this film has the potential to be quite good.


-- 
Sanjiv Sarwate		sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu	SANJIV@UIUCVMD
"The next day, the former Prime Minister accepts his first job since leaving
the Executive Mansion; cleaning out the inn's stables.  He notes that the two
occupations are not, essentially, dissimilar."  
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...)
Subject: Re: Linda Hunt (Was: Re: Mel Gibson really CAN act!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.000847.17162@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes...

} And how about 'Tommy'?
} Where Mel plays a guy who is retarded in some aspect. very good

TOMMY neither stars Mel Gibson, nor is it about a retarded man. It's a Ken
Russell film based on the rock opera by The Who.

The movie you're thinking of, which *does* star Mel Gibson, and *is* about
a retarded man, is TIM.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: mpl@maths.tcd.ie (Micheal Lunny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:13:56 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.


			L I F E   F O R C E

Naked space vampires, a multitutude of talentless non actors,
cheesy special effects, not one plausable character and a plot that
ust have been stabbed and then left to rot for 2 weeks to make it
stink so much.

It could be the most embarassing movie ever made.  I  watched  it alone  
in my house and I kept changing stations to watch the test card because 
I kept being overwhelmed by utter contempt  for  myself.   

Its undoubtedly worse than even HighLander II.

Truly awful.  I'd have to be drunk to watch it again.
-- 

| mplunny@vax1.tcd.ie |  You too can be a big hero 
|      ,              |  When you learn to count backwards to zero 
| Micheal Lunny       |  
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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Least men in movie!
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:27:58 GMT

Which movie has the least men in the cast?

"The Women" by George Cukor: Zero! 
								M.H.
From: royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:28:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>     In _Frenzy_, the camera moving backwards out of the apartment,
>     down the stairs, and out of the building, all in silence, until
>     we reach the street.  We *know* what's going to happen.

This scene exhibits a brilliant use of sound and time, IMHO.

The long time it takes to reach the bustling outside in concert
with the silence (= isolation) inside, make clear
that there is no hope for the victim--she might as well be on
a desert island a million miles away.  The slow and deliberate pace
of the track out further reinforces the sense of distance and isolation
between her and the outside, and the inexorableness of the situation.
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Do the Aliens come from EARTH?
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:44:49 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Aug21.170756.3214@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, by colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten):
> This has all been discussed before and I'll repeat what I said
> last year sometime.  I think any idea that the company even knew
> that the Aliens existed is wrong.

> the only scenario that makes sense is the one we saw.  The company
> put Ash on the ship since you never know what they might find and
> put a clause in all contracts that they have to investigate anything
> they find out of the ordinary.

I don't clearly remember what the clause said, but I would even think
that such a clause was routinely contained in the contracts.  Since
the crew obviously read them (not so dumb), they'd have been very
suspicious if such a clause had suddenly cropped up on a routine trip.

Actually, I seem to remember that the clause was about rescue
attempts, i.e., they had to follow up on SOS signals, which was why
Mother doctored the information they had about the signal, and they
were told about its being a warning much later.  

Anyway, this clause completely fits the "let's have a look at it"
scenario.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: fault in BACK to the FUTURE II
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 16:21:21 GMT

israel@risky.Convergent.COM (Paul Israel) writes:

>From article <rcoadh.714142303@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU>, by rcoadh@potoroo.co.rmit.oz.AU (Alexander Doktorovich):
>> When Marty and Doc are in the future, the old Biff steals the DMC, goes to
>> the past, gives the Sports Almanac to himself and arrives back.
>> Now, if old and younger Biffs were succesful in altering the future, as we
>> saw when Marty and Doc arrived back to 1985, then how did the old Biff arrive
>> back into the _unchanged_ future?
>> Alex.

>Because the change to future time had not yet propagated its way up the
>space-time continuum to where Doc and Marty were. Evidently, this takes
>some small but finite time to occur. You'll notice, however, that as
>Biff climbed out of the Delorean on his return to the future, his own
>existence was beginning to fade away. As Doc and Marty headed back to
>1985, the change to history had already propagated past that point. Since
>it took them awhile to realize what had happened, the change to history
>had by that time propagated past the point in the future that they had
>just left, making it impossible to return there.

Time? It takes time to change time? Come again! Okay, I know, Hollywood-
logic!

But if you were really able to change the course of history by traveling
into the past, you'd change it solely through your presence, knocking a
lot of air molecules another way => changing weather (globally within a
few months -- remember the butterfly-theory) => causing or preventing
accidents that would otherwise have (not) occurred => some people are
killed, others survive that would not have, those do or prevent great
deeds...
I'd say travel back 50 years for a second only and you won't recognize
your own time anymore returning.
Interesting thought, though!


May the Cool Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
From: jeffl@pcx.ncd.com (Jeff Longueil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Excalibur music?- NOT Carmina Burana
Keywords: or was it?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:20:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: pcx.1992Aug26.212035.16754
Organization: Graphic Software Systems, Beaverton, OR

In article <37264@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah) writes:
>I've seen this brought up quite a bit, but I've never been able to
>catch the answer I was looking for.  I realize the operatic pieces
>from Excalibur were taken from Carmina Burana by Orff but what about
>the rest of the orchestral music throughout the rest of the film
>(especially over the end credits)?  Or is it all from CB?
>

You are perhaps referring to the Wagner music (Siegfrid's death and funeral
march) at the end of the film.  I believe there is more Wagner sprinkled
throughout, along with the Carmina Burana.

--ffeJ.
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From: billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Subject: Re: fault in BACK to the FUTURE II
Reply-To: billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:42 GMT

In article <BtHxFL.MG4@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>israel@risky.Convergent.COM (Paul Israel) writes:
>
>>From article <rcoadh.714142303@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU>, by rcoadh@potoroo.co.rmit.oz.AU (Alexander Doktorovich):
>But if you were really able to change the course of history by traveling
>into the past, you'd change it solely through your presence, knocking a
>lot of air molecules another way => changing weather (globally within a
>few months -- remember the butterfly-theory) => causing or preventing
>accidents that would otherwise have (not) occurred => some people are
>killed, others survive that would not have, those do or prevent great
>deeds...
>I'd say travel back 50 years for a second only and you won't recognize
>your own time anymore returning.
>Interesting thought, though!
>

Several authors (see Simon Hawke for one) believe in the viscosity of time, 
where it would take a large change in time to overcome the tendency for thing 
s to happen a certain way.  Put another way, if you kill a butterfly that was 
intended to feed a frog that would otherwise starve that was intedned to feed 
another animal... the "temporal inertia" would cause another butterfly to come 
along and time would "repair" itself to resemble the original course.  If you 
kill someone of little consequence, time would have to do more reparing, but 
it probably could do it.  If you killed, say, George Washington, there would 
be a large temporal shift and cause a large change in the universe as we know 
it.  Food for thought. 
-- 
Bill Bochnik			| It's hard to be a James Bond in an Abbott
Systems Analyst 		|	and Costello world.
Ciba-Geigy Corporation		| Signed and sealed, they deliver oblivion.
philabs!crpmks!billb		| It's worse than that, he's dead Jim.
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From: haro@carina.unm.edu (    KANEDA)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 01:15:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

I'M ALL FOR IT!!!! :)


R
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From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 23:18:08 EDT
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

> I felt something like this when I left the West L.A. art house theatre
> after having snoozed thru a Soviet semi-2001-ripoff called "Solaris"
> back in my college daze.  I can't remember ever having fallen asleep
> more times in a theatre than during the screening of this monstrosity.
> I guess I just wasn't "hip" enough to "get it" but to this day I think
> it was a monumental waste of my time and whatever I paid to see it.

You will probably be royally flamed by SF fans.

"Solaris" (1970) is a film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky (based on
the book by the same name by Stanislaw Lem, whom I consider the most
significant SF writer of our times by literal merits, in spite of
having to be translated from polish) and like his other highly symbolic
SF movies, is rather slow-moving.  It is hardly a rip-off of "2001"
because Lem's book (which the film follows pretty faithfully) was
published in 1961, seven years before "2001".

If you didn't like it, you will probably truly hate "Stalker" (1979)
by the same director, which is an even slower moving film, based on
the novel by the Strugarski brothers.

To tell the truth, I'm not too fond of either of these films, but
I believe they are quite significant.  Hardly rip-offs.

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From: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.arts.movies, rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) writes:
>The problem I have with "gratuitous" sex scenes in modern movies is
>not when they specifically don't have any place in the story line but
>when the scenes are contrived so as to make them seem like some kind of an
>integral part of the story when they're not. I mean, there's only so much can
>be done to make these scenes fit (mind you I'm talking about the obligatory
>sex  scenes, not the ones that really do form an important element in
>the story. Take The Postman Always Rings Twice, for instance. The lusty,
>violent sex scene between Nicholson and Lange did a lot to tell us
>about the personalities of these characters, and so the scene "fits.").

>Personally, I'd rather the movie makers would just have sex scenes
>inserted as, well, sex scenes--like, a car chase is a car chase, right?--
>than to goofy them all up to make them *seem* like important elements
>in the plot.

I believe that this is what the original poster meant.. AND I agreed..
However, the followup postings seem to have taken this thread along
different lines.. If anyone believes that the amount of sex and violence
contained in most movies today even close close to most of our everyday
lives. then there must indeed live in Hollywood. No one disagrees that
those things do happen; but the frequency and extent is questionable in
my mind. "Guidelines" for movies do change with the times; what is "acceptable"
at one time is not acceptable by society at another.. But, IMHO, movies
have changed; some for the better and others, not so.. The sex and violence
falls under the latter catagory.

As an example, take the movie "Cape Fear"; discussed on this net at great
length.. I have seen both the early and remade versions.. I much prefer
the original version, in all aspects. The remake, IMHO, adds very little,
if anything to the stroy line. And. I think it spoils the movie..
The original conveyed the characters and story quite clearly.. The additional
explicit scenes in the remake did nothing; but it did make a lot of the
story appear implausible to me.. The remake was attempting to "humanize"
the main characters and show that not everyone is all good or all bad..That's
fine... Maybe the original movie had main characters which were too "goody-
goody"; but I think that's better. BTW, I DON'T see the world through rose
colored glasses!!
.
.
.
...
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Toto le Heros
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:43:46 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

"Toto" is roughly "Tommy", a hero only in his own mind, until the
movie's end.  A wry comedy, they told me.
So why did I cry half way through, why did I hide my head rather than
watch Toto's life disintegrate?  Two wan smiles were all the humour
that managed to surface.
But it won prizes, no?  At Cannes?
Did anyone enjoy watching it?  Did anyone have a good time?
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movie scripts wanted
Date: 25 Aug 1992 21:27:38 GMT
Organization: sio
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>  Does anyone know where I could order screenplays to various recent movies?
>I think that a while back, someone gave the address of a place that sold
>scripts, and was actually discussing scripts to movies that were not in release
>yet...

                       Hollywood Book and Poster Company
                       6349 Hollywood Blvd.
                       Hollywood, CA 90028
                       213-465-8764
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:45:21 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Aug30.123714.11860@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
> In article <philip.714978859@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>>braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>>
>>>Query: Lucy, played by Winona Ryder.
>>
>>>I may sound dumb, but what other films has this lucky lass been in?
>>
>>  Beetlejuice			(the weird girl in black)
>>  Edward Scissorhands 		(love interest to Edward)
>>  Heathers			(played Veronica)
>>  Night on Earth		(first taxi driver segment)
>>  Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael	(thought she was Roxy's daughter)
>>
> She also had a supporting role in the movie Lucas, a small production 
> starring Charlie Sheen, Corey Haim and Kerry Green (sp?).  She was very
> young, and looks one heck of a lot better these days!
> 
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned yet that she played The Killer's
wife in _Great Balls of Fire_.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: erotic movies
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:11:39 GMT


Isn't it about time someone mentioned The Unbearable Lightness of Being?
(This should also be a nominee for "worst title" -- the movie may not
be an altogether happy story, but it is *very* bearable...)
-- 
Mark Brader, Toronto		"If any form of pleasure is exhibited, report
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com	 to me and it will be prohibited." -- DUCK SOUP

This article is in the public domain.
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From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: POSTER SALE...!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:44:52 GMT


Posters for sale-these are original movie posters may have been in
theater case, but in good shape.

Unforgiven
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Cape Fear
Shadows and Fog
Beauty and the Beast (cartoon version)
Prelude to a Kiss
Joe and the Volcano
 
...lots more!!!!

Most are $15 (includes postage) Call Deryl at 518-426-3486.

Deryl Bullard
10 Pieter Schuyler Court
Albany, NY  12210

You may also e-mail to above for availability or specific requests.

Thanks !
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:25:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug26.195424.4530@asl.dl.nec.com>, clee@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Christina Lee) writes:
> 
> does anyone out there think that the sex scenes in certain
> movies are getting too explicit and not really called for?
> A number of movies come to mind:
> Boomerang
> Single White Female
> Basic Instinct

Then what would they edit out for TV?  (Only 1/2 :-))

> It really hit home when I realized that a woman had brought in 
> a little girl (2-4 yrs old) to SWF.  

It certainly sounds like that there are parents with their brains
inoperative, that's for sure.

But then again, a friend was working as an usher at a movie
theater that was showing _Silence of the Lambs_.  A woman
walked in, and bought tickets for herself and four kids, of
whom the oldest was 8, and the rest were younger.

"Ma'am, do you really think this movie is appropriate for
kids this age?"

"Isn't this movie about Jesus?"


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:23:44 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper) writes:

> In <1992Aug10.134058.3388@dvorak.amd.com> mellon@amd.com (Ned Mellon) writes:
> 
> 
> >One of my favorites is 'Pork Chop Hill' with Gregory Peck.  Peck does
> >a great job of depicting the fear and uncertainty a commander faces
> >when preparing for battle.
> 
> agreed 
> 
> >Also consider 'Henry V'.  Although not truely a war movie, it has
> >great scenes of the Battle of Agincourt where the English longbowmen
> >decimated the French.  The pre battle motivational speech by the
> >warrior king Harry are particularly stirring.
> 
> If you mean the Branagh version - I agree.  Mud, blood, etc - not the
> Olivier propoganda - everybody's-clean-and-dies-a-quick-death (that's
> the kind of movie that makes real war "palatable" for some people)
> 
> gary cooper (not the dead one) 

I always loved the "Attack on the Fort" bit from the end of Glory. The 
music combined with the action and showing Col. Shaw as the first casulty 
among the major characters. The last sequence as Freedman, Elwes (sp) and 
the others finally get into the fort to find themselves facing a cannon 
is a great scene.

Dascoser
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park castings ??
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:13:09 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep3.150604.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.113116.8478@swift.cs.tcd.ie>, mjhowe@swift.cs.tcd.ie 
>
>>some of the cast for "jurassic park".
> 
>> can anyone confirm or deny the following?
>Yep...it's true.
> 
>> john hammond - sir richard attenborough
>His return to acting after 15 years *behind* the camera.  He directed:
>_Ghandi_, _A Passage to India_, and _Cry Freedom_.  (Thanks Nancy)

You're giving Attenborough some credit he doesn't deserve, here.  "A
Passage To India" was David Lean's last film.  Attenborough's other
films as a director are "Oh, What a Lovely War!", "A Bridge Too Far",
and "A Chorus Line".  Also, he has "Chaplin" coming out this Christmas season.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu