From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: new newsgroup discussion
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:37:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.004807.19841@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <9211133554@ritz.mordor.com> ritz@ritz.mordor.com
>(Christopher Mauritz) writes:
>> (lll4325@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
>>: P.S. It seems to me that Japan-bashing
>>:      is MORE common among Americans 
>>:      than among Chinese...
>>You must be joking...you obviously haven't been reading this group
>>for long.  I've found the Chinese to be almost rabid in their
>>bashing.  Christ, I have my problems with Japanese society at times
>>too, but slamming on people who were probably born 20 years AFTER
>>the end of WWII doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

To Ritz: That's not "slamming" on someone. That's because the Japanese
government were doing something similar to claiming the holocaust never
happened. You probably would not write all this if you had seen the exhibits
in the museum in Nanjing which commemorates the three hundred thousand people
killed by the Japanese army. And trust me, they might just be too much for
you sensitive viewers. But I saw them and I will never forget them.
We Chinese might become a little vocal and might have mixed up Japanese
people in general with Japanese government, but that is certainly better
than some Detroit auto workers who killed a Chinese because he looked like
a Japanese.

>
>That's an excellent point, one which I've uttered many times.
>The Chinese have a penchant for hallucinogenic visions.

Then please tell me why you have so many compatriots obsessed with LSD
or coccaine while the Chinese fought the Britons in the Opium War and burnt
all the opium?

>China, not Japan, is the military threat and primary instigator
>of instability in Asia.  Within just the last 10 years, China has
>(1) maimed and oppressed Tibetans, (2) consistently imprisoned prisoners
>of conscience that Amnesty International is desparately trying to save,
>(3) threatened to veto the UN effort to expel Iraqi soldiers from Kuwait
>(in other words, the Chinese almost succeeded in extending the duration
>of Iraqi rape and murder of Kuwaiti citizens), etc.
>
>What is truly shocking is that many of the Chinese "intellectuals"
>(quotes intended), including some from Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong,
>concur with the position of the Chinese gov't on the mainland (specifically
>with regards to Tibet) even though these same "intellectuals" have received
>a Western education and have been exposed to accurate Western news reports
>of the Chinese atrocities.

Why would they need western report to tell them what is going on in their
home? Why would you not trust Chinese government's report? Just because
it's communist? Another matter is, if you were a little mindful of American
politics, you should know that even Americans are not sure who created 
Suddam Hussein the monster.(I am refering to Ross Perot's accusation
of Mr.Bush in the last presidential debate)

>
>The Chinese just "love" to equate the error of incomplete Japanese history
>books with the error of maiming Tibetans.  Pardon me, but these 2 errors
>are, in no way, comparable.

You are right here. They are indeed *incomparable*.

Fan