HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: volker@tower.edag.de (Volker Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: UUCP over a TCP connection
Keywords: UUCP TCP
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:20:07 GMT
Organization: EDAG, ENGINEERING + DESGIN AG, Fulda, FRG

gsw@trac3000.ueci.com (Greg Washington) writes:


>Hello out there in net land.  I have a question.

>I have tried to communicate with several machines on my LAN via UUCP with
>no success.  I know I can use FTP but uucp is more widely popular with the
>people I work with and it is easier for them to send a file and not worry 
>about it getting there.

>The machines that I have tried to get this work are:
>     
>        IBM RS/6000 - 520
>        Vax (Unknown Model) running Ultrix
>        Sun IPC

Seems like to check the file /etc/services on the Unix Boxes;
there is maybe an entry for uucp commented out.

You have to change this and send a HUP-Signal to inetd.


For Ultrix I have no information... sorry.

ciao,
-volker
From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Squire, Phish)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Using SLIP (programming info needed)
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:22:47 GMT
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.

I'm sure this is the wrong place to post this, but hopefully someone
here can help.

I recently started using SLIP (the SLIP8250 driver (Clarkson) and NCSA
telnet) and realized that the packet driver must have some interface
that I could use to write an NNTP front end. The telnet program I'm
using has an SMTP...

I could, and will, if necessary, digest the source to the telnet program
and see how this all works, but that would be weeks. What I'm hoping is
that someone has a spec for the driver that I could have a copy of.

Am I being too hopeful in thinking that there's such a simple interface?
Do I need to do all the packet work myself?

Any help or pointers would be MUCH appreciated. This is an area that I know
very little about, but would like to learn. Digging through source is a
start, but someone's pointing finger usually helps :-)

-- 
If you insist upon living in a  | cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu | Fubar Systems BBS
dream, you may be taken as mad. |                          | (805) 54-FUBAR
  I like my dream.              | Because all you of       | 3/12/24, MNP5, 8N1
Then you *are* mad!             | Earth are IDIOTS!!       | FSBBS 2/FSUUCP 1.3
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: uucp and email for MacIntosh
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:43:13 GMT


i am not a reader of this group, nor a Mac user, but please email any ptrs
you have to getting email onto a Macintosh from a uucp feed to me. ta.
--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
From: gsw@trac3000.ueci.com (Greg Washington)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: UUCP over a TCP connection
Keywords: UUCP TCP
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:44:04 GMT
Organization: UE&C - Catalytic in Philadelphia, PA


Hello out there in net land.  I have a question.

I have tried to communicate with several machines on my LAN via UUCP with
no success.  I know I can use FTP but uucp is more widely popular with the
people I work with and it is easier for them to send a file and not worry 
about it getting there.

The machines that I have tried to get this work are:
     
        IBM RS/6000 - 520
        Vax (Unknown Model) running Ultrix
        Sun IPC

I have the respective System files defined on each machine but all machines
return the same error
  
              connection refused

Can some please give me some help.  Thanks and have a good one.  Any replies
can be E-mail or posted to this news group.

Thanks again

Greg
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United Engineers & Construction - Catalytic, Philadelphia, PA.   (215) 422-4145
UUCP:  ..!uunet!trac2000!gsw       INTERNET:  Greg.Washington@trac2000.ueci.com
From: jnicoula@harper.UUCP (John Nicoulakos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Source code
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:29:57 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: William Rainey Harper College - Palatine, Il

that I can write to for C source code?  For example I would like to take a look
at some compression program like ZIP, ARC, ARJ, and ZOO.  I would be very  
interested to find out were the sights are and there mailing address.

                           Thanks,

                           John Nicoulakos
                         
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca (Doug Evans)
Subject: Re: Map entry -- why so slow?
Organization: Edmonton, Alberta
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:47:19 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy) writes:
>  Anyone know the average time it takes for rutgers to process a map entry?
>I sent them one, believing that to be the only thing required for it to show
>up in the uumaps.  Should I be disciplined with a squat, heavy stick?  (:

To my understanding, maps are posted (more or less) once a month
to comp.mail.maps.

So it will take a while yet.

And then it depends upon how long various sites take to update their
tables.

But then patience is a virtue, right? :-)
-- 
Doug Evans               | "You're just supposed to sit here?"
dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca    |               - Worf in a mud bath.
From: c3460344@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (C3460344)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: UUCP FAQ or a txt file on what UUCP is??
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: c3460344@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Subject says it all almost.  I am looking for such a beast.

Thanks,

-=Jeff Blaine
c3460344@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
From: markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Date: 18 Jul 92 06:09 MDT
Subject: Re: Maximum line latency
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul18.020912.22633@werple.pu:1773226347:001:1163
Nf-From: werple.pub.uu.oz.au!markd    Jul 18 06:09:00 1992


ross@zooid.guild.org (Ross Ridge) writes:

>markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany) writes:
>>>I've heard rumors
>>>of high latency satellite links and the like, but these are not
>>>subjects I know anything about.
>>
>>You need to add at least a second for a satellite link.

>I believe CCITT standards limit the delay to only a few tenths of
>a second.  Specfically I remember that one satallite hop was ok,
>but two satallite hops would create too long of delay.

Well, I suppose we should be precise about what we're measuring.

The distance between receivers for a geo-stationary is ~ 75,000km
giving ~ .25 of a second EM propogation time in one direction (the
figures are too rough to worry about medium).

So, on a perfect satellite link with no echo suppression getting in
the way and a small data packet, you might just get an ack back in
fractionally over .5 of a second.

In reality, your timers will have to be of the order of multiple
seconds for a large window protocol anyway, so whether you can make
any sensible allowance for a satellite link is probably moot.



--
Mark Delany                                          markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au

Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.dcom.modems
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: Maximum line latency
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:06:45 GMT

It depends on what satellite through which your connection goes.

Intelsat satellites are in geosynchronous orbit; the transponders
use antennas that provide hemospheric coverage with cirucularly
polarized beams.  I.e. any two points within 180 degrees of
lattitude are reachable through the satellite.  The large coverage
area of such satellites requires ground stations using large
reflector dishes.

Domestic satellites are also in goesynchronous orbit, but use
shaped beam antenna systems that illuminate fairly small parts of
the earth.  In the US, this pattern is often referred to as, "CONUS,"
(continental US) coverate.  Power densities are high enough that
farily small on-ground reflectors may be employed.  Domestic
satellites usually (universally?) employ horizonal/vertical beam
polarization.  A link routed thorugh domestic satellites could
easily require mulitple hops to reach between the US and Asia.

I don't know about all telcommunications carriers, but AT&T's
routing strategy attempts to route only one side of a transoceanic
call via satellite; the other side is routed by cable.  This
prevents annoyingly long pregnant puases on voice calls since cable
propagation delays are considerably less than satellite hops.

I have placed voice transoceanic telephone calls that I am fairly
certain had both sides routed via satellite as there was nearly a
one second delay between what I said and a slight echo was returned
from the distant end.  Needless to say, the delay induced confusion
added to echo made the call quite annoying.  I don't know the
carrier.

Ground to satellite distances are about 23,000 miles, so each hop
adds about 300 mS of delay.


-- 
Bill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu   (140.220.1.1)
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: "file" directives in the UUCP maps???
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:20:38 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

Edward Vielmetti kindly pointed me at version 10 of pathalias.
It can be had via anonymous FTP from citi.umich.edu in /usr/honey.
I am running it now and it seems to have fixed the problem.

I had checked the comp.sources.unix archives on uunet and only found
version 9 of pathalias.  Oh well.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.dcom.modems
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Maximum line latency
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:48:41 GMT

70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>It's unlikely in the extreme that there'd ever be *two* satellites
>involved. If you work out the geometry, anyplace that a geosynch orbit
>satellite just above the horizon to the *east* of you can't talk to
>can be talked to by one that is above your *western* horizon.

Unfortunately communication satellites often concentrate their signal
strength on just part of of the planet.  Also there very easily could
not be two available satellites on the horizon.

>The CCITT can write all the standards they want, but they can't change
>the laws of physics. The delay *will* be more than "a few tenths of a second".

Five tenths of a second is a few tenths of a second.  I forget exactly
what the allowable delay is.

							Ross Ridge

-- 
Ross Ridge - The Great HTMU					     l/	 //
								    [OO][oo]
ross@zooid.guild.org						    /()\/()/
uunet.ca!zooid!ross						     db	 //
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: ziegast@godzilla.UU.NET (Eric W. Ziegast)
Subject: Re: "file" directives in the UUCP maps???
Organization: UUNET Technologies - Falls Church, VA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:01:00 GMT

phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
|> I have noticed that quite a few of the maps now posted in comp.mail.maps
|> contain as the first line "file {...}" with the file name contained in
|> the curly braces.  This is the first line in the file AFTER extraction 
|> with sh.
|> 
|> Why are they there?

Many people do something silimilar to the following when
rebuildiung UUCP alias tables:

	cat uumap/u.* | some filters | pathalias | ...etc...

If there's an error, pathalias would say something like:

	"line 56437: syntax error"

It's very hard to track down.  If one uses the "file" line at the top of
all of their files, they would more likely see:

	"u.usa.va.2", line 74: syntax error

It's much easier to track down the error when you know what file it's
in.

|> Edward Vielmetti kindly pointed me at version 10 of pathalias.
|> It can be had via anonymous FTP from citi.umich.edu in /usr/honey.
|> I am running it now and it seems to have fixed the problem.

Both of the following are Version 10, or at least the latest we know of:

	ftp.uu.net:/networking/mail/uucp/pathalias/pathalias.Z
	citi.umich.edu:/usr/honey/pathalias/pathalias.Z
--
Eric Ziegast
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.dcom.modems
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Maximum line latency
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:40:42 GMT

>I've heard rumors
>of high latency satellite links and the like, but these are not
>subjects I know anything about.

markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany) writes:
>You need to add at least a second for a satellite link.

ross@zooid.guild.org (Ross Ridge) writes:
>I believe CCITT standards limit the delay to only a few tenths of
>a second.  Specfically I remember that one satallite hop was ok,
>but two satallite hops would create too long of delay.

markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany) writes:
>Well, I suppose we should be precise about what we're measuring.
>
>The distance between receivers for a geo-stationary is ~ 75,000km
>giving ~ .25 of a second EM propogation time in one direction (the
>figures are too rough to worry about medium).

Ok, I've found the exact reference I was refering to, CCITT Recommendation
G.114 says that the delay (in one direction) should be less than 0.4s.

							Ross Ridge

-- 
Ross Ridge - The Great HTMU					     l/	 //
								    [OO][oo]
ross@zooid.guild.org						    /()\/()/
uunet.ca!zooid!ross						     db	 //
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: "file" directives in the UUCP maps???
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:11:51 GMT

Okay, so call me an ignorant SOB.  I handle alot of stuff, and I just
can't keep up with the latest and greated of everything.

I have noticed that quite a few of the maps now posted in comp.mail.maps
contain as the first line "file {...}" with the file name contained in
the curly braces.  This is the first line in the file AFTER extraction 
with sh.

Version 9 of pathalias (which is the latest I can find) simply does not
like these lines, and consistently gives syntax errors on them.  Is this
something new?  Why are they there?  Is there a new version of pathalias
that understands these things?  Or must I now modify my extracting
mechanism to ditch these lines?  I do not regularly read this newsgroup
(but I will until I get an answer to these questions).

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: very portable PD UUCP source
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:08:14 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

smh@echidna.adept.oz.au (Stephen Hodgman) writes:

> Have you tried UUPC ?  It is on archie.au and comes with exe's for MSDOS
>OS/2 plus source.  It would be worth looking into.

I'll have a look at UUPC and see what I can do with it. Is it a fully-featured
implementation of UUCP, or is it stripped down to offload some of the less
useful parts of it?
 
C ya later.... Craig.
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Date: 18 Jul 92 18:16 MDT
Subject: Re: Maximum line latency
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul18.020912.22633@werple.pu:1773226347:1992Jul18.141604.4148@qiclab.scn:1202163438:001:1843
Nf-From: qiclab.scn.rain.com!leonard    Jul 18 18:16:00 1992


Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany) writes:
>>>I've heard rumors
>>>of high latency satellite links and the like, but these are not
>>>subjects I know anything about.
>>
>>You need to add at least a second for a satellite link.

>I believe CCITT standards limit the delay to only a few tenths of
>a second.  Specfically I remember that one satallite hop was ok,
>but two satallite hops would create too long of delay.

Excuse me? 

The *minimum* delay for a satellite link is just short of 1/2 second!
The signal has to go from the earth station to the satellite (23k miles)
from the satellite to the other earth station (23k miles). That's 46k
miles. Then the echo has to travel the same path in the opposite
direction. That's a total of 92k miles. The signals travel at the
speed of light (186k miles per second) 92/186 = .49...

It's unlikely in the extreme that there'd ever be *two* satellites
involved. If you work out the geometry, anyplace that a geosynch orbit
satellite just above the horizon to the *east* of you can't talk to
can be talked to by one that is above your *western* horizon.

The CCITT can write all the standards they want, but they can't change
the laws of physics. The delay *will* be more than "a few tenths of a second".

(BTW, I didn't bbother figuring out theextra distance the signal travels
due to the satellit not being directly overhead. Best case is directly
overhead which makes uplink 19k miles (23k - 4k radius of Earth). Worst
case is satellite on horizon. right triangle 23k^2 + 4k^2 = 23345^2
looks like it doesn't matter much....)
-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/56	 Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS address is checked daily. The others infrequently)

Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: manish@iitb.ernet.in (Manish Adeshara)
Subject: gethostent() call help in  zotnet/mts/client.c file .
Keywords: gethostent() , SCO Unix V 3.2 
Organization: Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:47:15 IST

Hello ,
	I am compling mh-6.7.2 on our SCO Unix V 3.2 . I have
given SOCKETS  option to use socket. But it does not support
socket call " gethostent() " . I want to replace it with some 
other equivalent call. This system has gethostbyname() , gethostbyaddr().
So what name ( or address) should be passed if I use this call in
place of gethostent() in  file  mh-6.7/zotnet/client.c  ? 
	If any other solutions are there , please send me .
my  e-mail is : manish@gateway.iitb.ernet.in .
Thanks .
Manish Adeshara.
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: popd reports wrong number of messages waiting
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:35:33 GMT

We're running mh v6.7.1 on a Sun 690MP w/SunOS 4.1.2 (mh was built under
SunOS 4.1.1).  We have popd configured to use the POP database rather
than /etc/passwd.  We're using IDA sendmail with the mods to the .cf
file to make pop mail go thru spop.

When a pop client connects, popd will return 1 more than the real
number of messages in the maildrop, both after the "pass" command and
in response to a "stat" command.  This causes some pop clients to
report that there are more messages than there really are, which leads
to confused users. 

At the end of this message is an example of a telnet to port 110,
followed by a cat -v of the maildrop and an od -h of the .map file. 

Does anyone know if there's a fix for this?  I'd rather not reinvent the
wheel if someone has fixed it already.


Thanks,

Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926


Example:

Script started on Mon Jul 27 22:22:34 1992
orion# telnet orion 110
Trying 128.200.15.20 ...
Connected to orion.oac.uci.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK orion.oac.uci.edu POP server ready (Comments to: PostMaster@orion.oac.uci.edu)
user test2
+OK password required for test2
pass *******
+OK maildrop has 3 messages (739 octets)
stat
+OK 3 739
quit
+OK orion.oac.uci.edu POP server signing off (3 messages, 739 octets left)
Connection closed by foreign host.

orion# cat -v test2
^A^A^A^A
Received: from localhost by orion.oac.uci.edu with SMTP id AA09415
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <test2@orion.oac.uci.edu>); Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:14:49 -0700
Message-Id: <199207280514.AA09415@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: test2@orion.oac.uci.edu
Subject: a test #1
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:14:49 -0700
From: Mike Iglesias <iglesias@orion.oac.uci.edu>

this is a test message
^A^A^A^A
^A^A^A^A
Received: from localhost by orion.oac.uci.edu with SMTP id AA09427
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <test2@orion.oac.uci.edu>); Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:15:12 -0700
Message-Id: <199207280515.AA09427@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: test2@orion.oac.uci.edu
Subject: a test #2
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:15:11 -0700
From: Mike Iglesias <iglesias@orion.oac.uci.edu>

another tes message
^A^A^A^A

orion# od -h .test2.map
0000000  0000 0002 0000 0003 0000 0000 0000 02df
0000020  0000 0000 0000 0170 0000 0005 0000 016c
0000040  0000 0000 0000 016d 0000 0176 0000 02da
0000060
orion# ^Dexit

script done on Mon Jul 27 22:23:17 1992
From: wjasper@unity.ncsu.edu (Warren Jasper)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Help
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:49:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi,

I am trying to configure MH on an IBM RS6000 running AIX 1.3.
I have compiled MH before on a SUN.  The problem I am having is:

% make
% ./mhconfig MH

I get some error message about file not found, and correct usage is ...

The file MH exists.  I need to generate the make files from the
configuration file.  Anybody know why mhconfig is not working for me?
Everything looks straight forward, and there were no errors in compiling
mhconfig with cc.  Could someone send me a MH file for the IBM rs6000, although
I don't think that's the problem.

Thanks in advance



	-- Warren

Warren J. Jasper
wjj@nelson.tx.ncsu.edu
From: dave@cs.strath.ac.uk (Dave Whittington)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: repl while on holiday
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:16:19 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

I'm looking for a way of replying to mail while I'm on holiday.

Perhaps using cron to inc and repl with an answerphone type message
"I'll get back to you early September".

I guess someone, somewhere has already figured out how best to do
this, I'm sure many people would find this useful.

AdThanksvance
-------------------------
Dave Whittington                      E-mail:  dave@cs.strath.ac.uk
Department of Computer Science        Tel:     +44 41 552 4400 x3839
University of Strathclyde             Fax:     +44 41 552 5330
Glasgow   G1 1XH
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Subject: Re: Help wanted
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:21:03 GMT

In article <40363@ogicse.ogi.edu> sastry@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu writes:

>I would like to know how to include a readily available file while 
>composing a message in xmh.
>
>Have I made myself clear? 

Abundantly.

Type "Alt-I". A dialog will pop up to prompt you for the file name.
This is a function of the Xaw text widget, and all Athena applications
will have this function.

(Xmh-specific) If you are replying to a message, and are trying to
insert the message text that you are replying to, you can specify the
file name as "@".

--
Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072