From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Pollard & Neo-Nazis
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:26:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Wayne McGuire writes...


>I wonder if anyone here can provide a credible explanation of how
>Jonathan Pollard's views differ significantly from those of
>contemporary German neo-Nazis who are urging terrorist violence
>against Turks and other "foreigners." Here is a passage from the
>Robert Friedman review of Wolf Blitzer's Territory of Lies in the
>New York Review of Books, fully cited previously:
>
>     Given Pollard's extreme views, it is not surprising that he
>     has been in touch with radical right-wing Jewish
>     organizations in Israel and America. In a letter to Yisrael
>     Medad, the American-born aide to Knesset member Geula Cohen
>     of the ultra-right-wing Tehiya party, Pollard praises the
>     Gush Emunim "patriots" who blew the legs off two pro-PLO
>     West Bank mayors in 1980 car bombings. He only regretted
>     that the Jewish terrorists did "half a job." Pollard also
>     asks Medad to pass along his personal regards to several
>     Gush terrorists still in prison.

    Have you ever READ Blitzer's book?  I don't think so.  I have
    checked the index for any possible reference to the event you
    refer to, and I can find no reference to this letter.  I hope
    that you can cite the letter from the book.  This review that 
    you constantly refer to is not the same as the book, which is
    sitting right here on my desk.  I own the paperback, so would
    you please give me a page number in the book where I might be
    able find this letter that you refer to.  Is this "letter" in 
    the Blitzer book?  Did Friedman claim in his review that this 
    letter by Pollard is in the Blitzer book?  Had Friedman heard
    about this letter from the recepient?  Did Friedman ever read
    the letter himself?  WHERE IS THIS LETTER?


>Pollard praised the terrorist bombing attacks on two West Bank
>mayors. His remark, that the Jewish terrorists did "half a job"
>in only blowing off the legs of these innocent civilians, is
>especially disgusting. Pollard is not likely to win the sympathy
>of many people in the civilized world.

    WHERE IS THIS LETTER?


>Is it not fair to say that Pollard is a supporter of Jewish
>terrorism? 

    It is not fair, because there is no evidence that it is true.


>          Is there any one here who would care to argue that the
>bombing attacks on the West Bank mayors were a form of legitimate
>and honorable military activity?

    Such activity is savage.  Whoever did such a thing should get
    tossed into prison for a long, long time.  Are you suggesting
    that Jews are inclined to support such a horrible act?  


>Another question: how does Israel's determination to make Israel
>an ethnically Jewish state differ from the determination of
>right-wing extremists in Germany or France to make their nations
>ethnically German or French?

   Your question is stupid.  Why don't you ask how cheddar cheese
   is different from Harley-Davidsons???

   Israel is a Jewish State.  That does not mean that it's people
   are only Jews.  Nor does it imply that its people are SUPPOSED
   to be only Jews.  There exists in and around Israel people who
   are sworn to the destruction of Israel, and sworn to the death 
   of Jews, simply because they are Jews.  Does THAT ring a bell?
   These are the people to whom Netanyahu refered.  He never said
   that Palestinians should be deported, just because they happen
   to be Arabs.  You are again deliberately misleading people.


>Why is it illegitimate for Le Pen to talk about deporting Arabs
>from France but legitimate for Netanyahu to talk about deporting
>Arabs from Israel? 

    Le Pen advocates deporting Arabs because they are Arabs.  The
    difference is that Netanyahu advocates the deportation of any
    and all VIOLENT CRIMINALS.  He has NEVER called for a removal
    of Arabs simply because they are Arabs.  

                       
>                      If Israel applies various devices to drive
>non-Jews out of Israel, how could it possibly complain if other
>nations in the world applied various devices to drive Jews from
>their midst?

    Which non-Jews?  ALL non-Jews?  SOME non-Jews?   All Muslims?
    All CHRISTIANS?  Non-criminal non-Jews?  Who is Israel trying
    to drive out?  And why?  I hate to be the one who has to tell
    you this, but these are important questions.  Without knowing
    the answers to them, you don't know anything.  The tragedy is
    that you deliberately evade these questions.  Why?  Might you
    have an agenda?


>Israel is gradually getting itself into an interesting bind from
>which hopefully Yitzhak Rabin and his colleagues will be able to
>extricate it.

    Wayne McGuire is getting HIMSELF into a bind.  But whether he   
    sees it as a bind is predicated on an asumption that he cares 
    about appearing to be a lying bigot.




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