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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: U.S. maufacturers
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:32:17 GMT


In article <1992Aug29.205717.21955@morrow.stanford.edu>, jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
|> 
|>  There is also no question
|> (IMO) that the North American series have closer competition and
|> better racing for the spectator.

Are you joking? Indycar/Nascar/etc. is so mind numbingly boring that
it has next to no interest outside of the US, is it really racing? 

|>  Can a made
|> in USA car compete with a Made in UK car?

Probably not,  european designers/companies have  proven
time and time again their superiority in implementing/designing new ideas. I
think a short list was mentioned recently (outside radiators/mid engine etc).

Not to say that such technologies/design expertise didn't exist in the US but
with the lack of decent racing/competition there was no reason
for such an industry to exist and now, when there is some need, the work is
farmed out to other countries(mainly Britain), all IMHO of course. Imagine
if the engineering effort/budget for the stealth fighter had been put into
an F1 project :-).

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Schumacher fanatics
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 06:04:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.190629.2335@aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>already he can play the political games.  F1 is "maturing" him very rapidly.

Along that line of reasoning, Schumacher probably purposely drew
the ire of Senna his Holiness and invited him to drop by the pits
for a nice get-acquainted sort of tussle. Heck, when you're that
young, getting paid that little, just to have Senna punch you is
considered an honour few in this world can ever hope to receive.
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From: marcink@alfred.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:08:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.203045.20604@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:
>I find it very funny that when people defend Johansson they say that
>he was "just being aggessive" when IMHO he clearly screwed up. I mean
>where in the hell was he going to put the car? But when Mario hits
>Tracy or Little Al or ..... he is said to be screwing up. Sorry but I
>dont see any difference. I think they were both careless. I realize
>there is a very fine line between hard racing and carefree driving,
>but in Mario`s cases and in Johansson's case(this time) they crossed
>the line.
 
I do have my humble opinion as well. Andretti cut Tracy exactly the same
way as Tracy cut Goodyear in Road America. Goodyear is smart and experienced
and did not put his right front whell under spinning Tracy. 
Tracy is not that smart as we know and did not see spinning Andretti.

Rahal incident: Get a copy of Competition Driving
with the professor Prost who is very careful, look
at few pictures and sketches about outbreaking and
you will conclude that Rahal's comment was not very polite
but quite accurate. Johansson was smoking his tires -
and if he did not bump Rahal he may have finished in the wall
himself.

Just my $0.02 ( I just got a raise )

Marcin
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: some Belgian questions
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:17:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Btyo1t.8vE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.191710.773@hubcap.clemson.edu> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>>From article <1992Sep1.164113.16615@ncsu.edu>, by chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler):
>>> 
>>> There is a short blurb in the "Beyond the Pond" F1 recap in this month's 
>>> RACER magazine that said something to the effect that the rule was changed
>...
>>Is that RACER #5 that you're referring to?  If so, when did you get it?  It's
>>said in the back of issue #4 that #5 would be on the newsstands August 25, but
>>I have yet to receive my copy, and the local newsstand just got in #4 last
>>week.  The check for my subscription has cleared, so I know it isn't that.  
>>Are there any others out there who haven't gotten #5 yet?  Thanks,

>(I was going to reply to this privately, but decided to followup instead 
>in case there are others out there that are in Shane's boat, er, 
>monocoque :-))

>This was indeed in RACER #5, the September 92 issue.  I got mine in the mail
>the first or second week in August.  If you've just subscribed, you might
>want to be prepared to wait.  I subscribed at the end of April, before issue
>#2 came out, but I didn't get my first issue until June, and then it was
>issue #3, not #2.  My check had also already cleared way before then, and 
>I was just a day or so away from giving them a call to find out what kind
>of black hole my money had been sucked into when that issue magically 
>showed up in my mailbox.

>Good magazine, but a little slow on the delivery.  Probably to be expected 
>for such a fledgling publication.

>-chuck-

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    Indeed, RACER does have some circulation problems. I have had
    some myself, as it seems many of you have. I suspect that they
    are just having teething problems. Here's hoping it improves 
    soon.

Regards,
Cory
From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:16:09 GMT

In article  (Millam Tackitt) writes:
>How many of you critics have ever been in Indy car competition, from what
>I've read here you are all just arm chair Indycar racers. When you are in
>the cockpit of one of these rockets in competition and never make a mistake
>or mis-judgement then you will have some room to criticize these people.
>Till then you should just SHUT-UP!!!
>

Give me a break...Who gives a shit if we are armchair racers, thats
what this group is all about. DISCUSSION. If you don't like what
someone is saying, then you certainly have the option to say
something about(which you did). But telling everyone to "SHUT-UP" that
has never been in the cock-pit of a Indy car is moronic. Get a clue,
this is a bunch of hacks on this net, I haven't seen to many footers
that said "Rahal/Hogan Racing" or "Truesports" on it. I admire all the
racers on the circuit, and have great respect for all of them. But if
you are telling me that you never state your opinion of something that
you have not done, then you live in a very boring world. 


			...Dan 

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From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Subject: USGP at Road America?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:57:52 GMT

Several people here have mentioned having the USGP at Road America. A
lot of us would LOVE to have it. However, here are the known problems
with having it there:

1) The track currently has no garages.
2) The track is supposedly a few inches to narrow for F1 in a couple of
   places. There is a rumor going around that it will be resurfaced, and
   hopefully they'll widen it at this time.
3) Hotel facilities are sorely lacking. You'd end up with a lot of people
   having to make the hour drive from Milwaukee. Right now, most of the
   IndyCar and IMSA teams are staying 25 minutes away in Sheboygan, as
   there is only a couple of decent hotels closer, and they get filled
   in a hurry by drivers, etc.

For those who aren't sure exactly where Road America is, it is located
in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin, about 1 hour north of Milwaukee, and about 3
hours north of Chicago. 

Now, the track has been making improvements over the last few years, and
garages is one of those things rumored to be in the mill. But I would
have to put resurfacing as a higher priority. It has not been resurfaced
since 1975, and its starting to show it wear. It could probably last a
few more years, but why wait till its pothole heaven?

Would it be a great track for F1? YUP. Will it happen soon? I doubt it.

besides, they wouldn't stand for IndyCar and F1 to be on the same
circuit.

I think they're more interested in getting a WC race there than F1.

			Kevin

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From: fosterr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Geo-political retraction (was Re: World or national series?  (was: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:35:32 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BtKGCu.Aqx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> I wrote:
>
>Last time I checked, Austria was in the EC.

A number of people wrote to tell me that I was at least premature, if
not completely off-base with this statement. Indeed, Austria is not a
member of the EC, although according to one message I received they have 
applied for membership. My apoligies to any Austrians out there.

now back to racing ...
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Two +/- zero
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:32:36 GMT
Reply-To: MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 183366@pyramid.pyramid.com, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

> Hugh Graham writes:
>
> >>Is it illegal for teams to run more than 2 cars? 

> This sounds like a good trivia question.  Who was the last driver to be entered
> as a third driver for a team?   I know that Nigel was a third entry for Lotus
> in '80 with Andretti and De Angelis at two races.  Has any driver been a third
> entry since?

Philippe Streiff made his Grand Prix debut driving a Renault RE50
alongside Derek Warwick and Patrick Tambay in Portugal at the end of
the 1984 season.

> I don't know what year they added the rule to limit two entries per team, but
> it was after '80.

Championship points have been limited to 2 cars/constructor since 1988
and probably earlier; don't know about entries.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: F1: some Belgian questions
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 09:37:38 GMT

> MJackson.Wbst147@xerox.com writes:
>> 4) Speaking of regulations, it appears that the silly "stop a dry race to
>> declare it wet" rule has been changed.  When did this happen, and what is the
>> new rule?

salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes:
> I don't know if the regulations have changed.  It is very possible that the
> race was called a "wet race", but nobody decided to start on slicks.  ESPN 
> didn't elaborate on this point.

A race is called a "wet" race if and only if at least half the field starts
on rain tires.  I must say I'm baffled (and happy!) about why they didn't
stop the race when it started raining...

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: F1 News: Berger to Ferrari (was Re: F1 News: Patrese to Benetton! (Brundle dropped)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:08:32 GMT

In <92237.010151A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> writes:

>Patrese will drive for Benetton next year.
>The other driver will be Schumacher, so Brundle will
>be dropped.

Well, as I said I would be, I am surprised. I would actually think
that Brundle would be faster than Patrese.

Anyway, 'The Australian' today announced that Berger would be 
driving for Ferrari next year, replacing Capelli. The Ferrari
team was given as source for this comment.

Which makes things interesting. Ferrari now has two drivers, 
Berger and Alesi, Benetton has two drivers, Patrese and Schumacher,
Williams has a choice of three, but only two of those would
work together - Prost and Mansell I can see getting on, but
neither would drive with Senna, public comments notwithstanding.
Maybe Senna will stay with McLaren, hoping that Ron has something
up his sleeve? Let's face it, Ron would need to tell Senna what
it was for Senna to consider it.

Although there is still a possibility of Senna + one other at
Williams - as Keke Rosberg says, when he threatened to leave
Williams if FW signed Mansell :
'Frank just let me scream and thump the desk. Then he asked
me if the tantrum was over - and said he was signing Mansell
anyway! I gave up at that point.'

regards,
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From: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Hodges)
Subject: Re: Budget Race Car
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: striving for
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:58:50 GMT

> Any suggestions for a good road car that I could buy and prepare for racing 
> (autocross, solo) for less than $10k?

It largely depends upon what category you want to run. The major Solo II (i.e. autox) categories are...

	Stock
	Street Prepared
	Prepared
	Modified

..in order of increasing "tweakedness" and thus $$. You could certainly stay way below your $10K budget in some of the Stock classes -- but I'm not sure which ones in that I'm more familiar with Prepared and Street Prepared. Another factor is whether the $10K incudes the initial car purchase. Costs escalate quite suddenly when you cross over from Stock to Street Prepared. 

Solo I adds additional costs for safety equip. Also, the class structure between Solo I and II may be different in your region. Here in SF Region, we've grandfathered-in the autox classes this year to try to bolster Solo I participation...so that makes it pretty convenient for us autox'ers. I'm planning to do Solo I and II next season. 

Jeff
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: U.S. maufacturers
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:55:57 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Cory James Padfield writes:

>    Lately, there has been a thread about U.S. race car makers, or the
>lack of them. Someone even said that Hercules made the MP4 series here in
>the U.S. I don;t think that is right. I thought that Hercules was a 
>supplier a while back, and so, gave McLaren unfinished carbon-fibre for
>them (McLaren) to make their car in Great Britain with their own autoclave.
>Maybe I have this all wrong, but I don't think so. Anyway, now McLaren
>is sponsored by Courtaulds, so it doesn't even matter anymore. So, does
>any one have any extra info. That would most appreciated. 

When John Bernard first joined McLaren and decided to use a carbon-fiber
chassis, he found little interest from anyone in the UK to help him out.
He contacted a friend in the US, Steve Nichols, who directed him to Hercules.
Someone posted here earlier that Nichols worked for Hercules, but this was
not the case.  Anyway, Hercules went on and produced the first MP4 chassis
made up of 5 pieces of carbon fiber.  A conventional aluminum chassis at the
time, consisted of up to 50 pieces.  Just another caes of JB's belief in the
concept of simplicity.  I'm not sure when McLaren quit using Hercules built
chassis, but I think they used them up until at least '86.

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi (Mika Paakko)
Subject: Results of The Rally of the 1000 Lakes after Friday
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:25:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


Last results from Friday:


SS 17	"Laukaa"	12.33 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	6.38
	2. Kankkunen	6.40
	3. Vatanen	6.42
	4. Alen		6.44
	5. Biasion	6.50
           Lindholm	6.50


SS 18	"Laajavuori"	 3.54 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	2.09
	2. Alen		2.11
	3. Kankkunen	2.14
	   Biasion	2.14
	5. McRae	2.15
	   Lindholm	2.15


Results after the second day ( SS 18 of 37)
-------------------------------------------------------------

	1. Didier Auriol	FRA	Lancia		1.51.01
	2. Juha Kankkunen	FIN	Lancia		1.51.24
	3. Markku Alen		FIN	Toyota		1.51.40
	4. Ari Vatanen		FIN	Subaru		1.52.17
	5. Massimo Biasion	ITA	Ford		1.54.45
	6. Lasse Lampi		FIN	Mitsubishi	1.55.48
	7. Sebastian Lindholm	FIN	Ford		1.57.05
	8. Colin Mcrae		GBR	Subaru		1.57.20
	9. Phillippe Bugalski	FRA	Lancia		1.57.31
       10. Jarmo Kytolehto	FIN	Mitsubishi	2.00.37 (Group N)
       11. Esa Saarenpaa	FIN	Ford		2.00.54
       12. Mikael Sundstrom	FIN	?		2.01.25 (Group N)
       13. S-O Walfridsson	SWE	Mitsubishi	2.01.36 (Group N)


Delecour, Blomqvist, Laine, Makinen, Gronholm already quit.

The race continues tomorrow, so more results again then.
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: David Letterman's top 10
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:11:27 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

For those of you not familar with American television, David Letterman
is a late night television host.  He's very much an autoracing fan, often
having NASCAR and IndyCar drivers as guests.  Here's his top 10 shown on
the Spa EPSN broadcast:

Top ten enjoyable things about EPSN's Formula One coverage
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

10. Getting up at dawn to watch European races makes weekend seem 
    really long.

9. Just crazy about new pit lane reporter, Robin Leach.

8. Own life gains perspective knowing Bertand Gachot has done time.

7. New tire of Craftsman commerical featuring AJ Foyt telling us how
   much he loves wrenches.

6. Staying up until Midnight Sunday to watch tape delayed coverage of
   Japanese and Australian races makes weekend seem really long.

5. Sight of garage doors closing at speed of light as drivers are
   pursued for interviews good lesson for youngsters.

4. Never know when outbreak of legionnairs' disease may enable Andrea
   de Cesaris to finish in the points.

3. Entire family loves to imagine David Hobbs being strip-searched
   at customs.

2. Still hoping for consensus on pronunciation of Ayrton Senna.

1. Just plain fun to say Mika Hakkinen.





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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Birdie calls it quits w/the Dirt Devil
Keywords: Birdie, Crew Chief Quits, #36, Dirt Devil
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:24:57 GMT

In article <363@rehab1.UUCP> dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
>     Once caller made a comment about it was nice of Ironhead to back off
>     on Sunday and give the win to Joe Nimacheck (sp?). From my seat (tv)
>     it was hard to tell if this did happen or not. Anyone know if its
>     true?

Earnhardt was quoted as having said that he bumped Nemacheck, and could
have passed him, but backed off because he didn't want to win that way.
if this is true, then my respect for Earnhardt has just gone up by an order
of magnitude.

richard
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From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Subject: This is only a test
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:17:17 GMT

This is just a test, sorry for the intrusion.
From: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Qualifying
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:07:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nicos@csa


Does ESPN (or anyone else in the US) cover the qualifying sessions of F1?

If so who/when etc?



Thanks a lot, sorry if this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find any references.
I know the guy that send the qualifying session reports is from the UK,
so this is posted is distributed in the US only...


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From: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese signs up with Benetton !
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:56:12 GMT
Reply-To: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <95334@bu.edu> biomelih@buengc.bu.edu (Melih Ucar) writes:
>
>	I am surprised that nobody wrote anything about this :
>
>	Today at 14:00 GMT BBC World Service annouced that Patrese had signed
>up with Benetton/Ford team replacing Brundle. They also mentioned that he was
>going to race with Schumacher (maybe this ends the rumors about the possibility
>of Schumacher racing at another manufacturer)
>
>	Does anybody have follow-ups to this ?

Only a confirmation on the BBC teletext service:


  Italian Formula One driver Riccardo        
  Patrese has signed a two-year contract  
  to drive for the Benetton-Ford team.      
                                                                               
  Patrese is currently second in the          
  world championship standings behind new
  champion Nigel Mansell.                                
                                                                               
  Patrese signed the contract, which          
  begins from the 1993 season, at the        
  Monza Autodrome, where he is preparing  
  for the Italian Grand Prix.                        
                                                                               
  Patrese, 38, who has been Nigel                
  Mansell's team-mate on the Williams-      
  Renault team, joins Michael Schumacher  
  and replaces Briton Martin Brundle.        

>	Regards,
>
>Melih Ucar
>biomelih@buengc.bu.edu

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