HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Vorob'ev i buduschee Rossii (was: Belchinskiy i svinyi (was Re: Andrei Rublov))
Summary: Yet another deep and intellectual discussion
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:39:55 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: bestiality uncontrolled emotions pig butcher

In article <1992Nov12.044247.52841@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.223243.47499@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.175612.26800@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>[...]
>>>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North,
>>who, probably, never understand why wind blows from 
>>high pressure area to low. So again flock of pigs has flown to North.
>
>I will not claim expert knowledge of atmospheric processes, but
>at least I usually write and spell correctly. 

Now all the net, starting from honourable Oleg Kiselev and Leonid Frants,
should explain you why it's not appropriate to mention spelling failures
of toher repsons. So I wouldn't concentrate on that.

>Cannot say the same
>thing about the netfreaks who sometimes dare challenge me. (I mean nobody 
>in particular, so take no offence).

Challenge whom? What for? Anyway, I feel obliged to defend freaks of the world.
Reading of "The second Foundation" by the Ukranian Jewish Russian writer 
Issak Asimov may help you to understand.

>And LEAVE THE PIGS ALONE, YOU DIRTY-MINDED ANIMAL-CHASER!

"Kak slovo nashe otzovetsya..." I'd never think that innocent mention
of flock of flying pigs may wake up in anybody that kind of capitalized
emotions. May I furnish you kind advice - go to Israel or any Arab country.
There you would be safe from your second decadent nature. But never,
never put your foot on Russia soil - you'd be slayed in the first village
unless you are better runner than Panikovsky.

Future of Russia, its soul and meat supply are in hands of pig shepherds. 
Hands off Russia.

>-- 
>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North
in feeble hope to become New Age hero in the contemporary world 
of animal rights activists.

Why should somebody be proud killing poor defendless victims?

	-igor
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9834 rec.arts.books:19874
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fylologi fleim
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:11:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov10.181106.17323
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1dotceINNk68@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>Hey, guys, can you stop flaming for a moment and try to formulate what
>message you want to convey to us? Is it as simple as:

>1. Erofeev is Catholic or strongly influenced by Catholic (or Lutheran?)
>   religion.
>2. Erofeev is kinda literature nigilist.

>Is not it nice to make your point _before_ you start defending it?

	Yes, I guess the discussion is just what you wrote.
	And I suppose I made my point in the first article,
	otherwise why should I be flamed?

	Misha.

		We suppose you understand 
		we have the options on your time
		And we ditch you in the harbor if we must.
		But if it works out nicely
		You'll get the bonus you deserve
		From doctors we trust...
						- Eno
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Iran and Muslim World News
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:09:32 GMT

Although I generally appreciate the effort that Islamic World News is
making to present an IsLamic point of view of the news, it has been 
clear for some time now that it is presenting Iran's perspective not
all Muslims' perspectives.. While this is not condemnable in itself, 
what is clear is that it filters out all efforts by other Muslim 
movements (especially Sunni ones) and undermines them while claiming it
speaks for all Muslims.

I have no political Problem with Shia myself, I just want them to recognize
their size (only 10% of Muslims) and the fact that Iran represents only
Shia Muslims.. this is not again wrong, it just has to be made in the open..

Now to Ibrahimi:
Iran's efforts for Bosnia are mostly rhetorical up to now, and their real
help does not exceed the help of Islamic movements in the Sunni world
who are themselves oppressed and in need of help.
And the NEWS talked about Ensuring Bosnia's survival, not Ridha!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim)
Subject: Re: Propaganda Sheet -> Kuffar or former gaurdians ? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:21:41 GMT


Assalam-u-alaikum
Mr endevour, let me tell you something. The interview I posted was from
a reliable source, Mr Muhammed Javid Mirza whom I know for four years.
He has graduated from my university and he was a sincere muslim as far as
I observed. He made that interwiev and sent the tape to us. I know his
voice, his history, his actions, his speechs everything. 
However, I have known you from this newsgroup, I am not sure about you.
I don't know you well enough to make decision that you are good muslim
whom we trust or not. Therefore, that interwiev seems to reflect the truth.
Because, I know the interviewer and I am more confident of his word than
yours. Please don't try to cover the facts for the sake of Allah,
we will be asked hereafter whatever we have done in this world.
Best wishes for all muslims.
Hasan
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (6th)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:21:58 GMT

In article <Pine.3.05y.9211061940.A10090-f100000@carson.u.washington.edu> imnet@u.washington.edu (Islamic Movement Network) writes:
>
>IRAN
>Iran's armed forces said that they were ready to help defend the
>Muslims of Bosnia against Serbian attacks. In a statement issued

So what are Iran's armed forces waiting for? why don't they
go defend the Muslims of Bosnia?

>on November 4 and read over Tehran Radio, it said it would not
>"deny Muslim sisters and brothers in Bosnia-Hercegovina any kind
>of material or moral assistance."
>Iran has been providing material support to the suffering Muslims
>in Bosnia. A shipment of 100,000 tons of oil, heating as well
>as fuel oil, is being shipped to Bosnia as part of Iran's
>pledge to ensure its survival through the winter.

Many countries and individuals are helping with food, not just Iran.
Even the western countries.  Give me a break and stop the propaganda.
Can Iran "ensure" the survival of Bosnia?

Ridha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Subject: Re: iran & IMW 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.233438.1@max.u.washington.edu> joad@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>I personally have come to have more respect to those who say that shias are 
>`Kafers' than people like ridha and Ilyas who, on one hand say I have no
>problem with shiism, and on the other they say; every thing but a shii leader!!!

I personally never said that, nor did I imply it.  Please look back at my
previous messages.  I didn't even bring up the subject of Shia and Sunna.
I don't even wish to talk about this.
Please don't put words in my mouth I didn't say.

>
>As for ridha who is being tired of `just talk with no action' let me ask you few
>questions and you don't have to answer them on the net. Let's say that iran
>would open a list for volunteers to go to jihad in Bosnia will you go?

Most probably not.  I am too attached to this world like most Muslims
are today.  And I like to talk more than do also.

>will you sponsor a family of a Mujahid who might die or come back handicapped?

Definitely and absolutely yes.

>will you do your part in general? 

I hope so.

>That is the question. Allah Tala says, "Allah will not change a situation of 
>people unless they change their attitudes" and Muslims today myself included
>did not develope yet that Islamic spirit. In fact it is the attitude like
>yours that make the Iranians hesitants to go in full confrentation with
>any un-Islamic regimes. After all for 8 years we even hesitated to publicly
>condemn Saddam's regime who started the war!!! 
>
>Finally, I hope Ridha has sent his views to IMNET if his intention were to
>advice them. Otherwise I really question your intentions and instead of 
>encouraging these people and tap on their back for a job well done and
>ask them if you can help, you just pour a bucket of cold water on them as if
>they are working for you.

I assume and hope they are reading this and follow up the articles
they are sending to the different newsgroups.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:37:33 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Highway robbery reported


As reported by Afghan Radio and Television and confirmed by AFP:



       A 30-vehicle convoy travelling from Kabul to Gardez, the
       capital of Paktia province in Southeastern Afghanistan, was
       ambushed by Hezb-i Islami fighters on Tuesday. The convoy
       which was carrying the newly-appointed governor of Paktia,
       Nasrullah Mansur, and about 100 officials and guards, came
       under attack en route to Gardez. Mansur, a prominent Mujahed
       leader and, until recently, the head of a multi-party Peace
       Commission in charge of a ceasefire accord in Kabul,
       was captured by the Hezb-i Islami fighters and taken to
       the Hezb headquarters in Char Asiab. Two men from Mansur's
       entourage were killed and several million Afghanis (local
       currency), which was allocated to the provincial budget,
       was taken by the attackers.

       The interim Kabul government quickly dispatched Prof.
       Sibghatullah Mojadidi to Char Asiab, where he was able
       to hold talks with Hezb leader Gulbudin Hekmatyar and
       secure Mansur's release. Upon his release, in a press
       conference in Kabul, Mansur condemned Hekmatyar of being
       an outlaw and called him a "madman," and a "murderous
       highwayman." The state money intended for Paktia's
       provincial budget has not been returned yet.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: fbahrami@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Farhad Bahrami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Looking for Afghan music / robab
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:54:59 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Dorood bar azizaneh Afghani,

I'm a Persian music-lover and would like to find tapes/CDs of some
Afghan classical/folk music.  Any recommendations, and where perhaps
I may find them in southern California area (San Diego, L.A.) ?

I'd also like to get my hands on a robab, since I can play the tar a
little.  Thanks.

Sepas,

farhad bahrami
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (6th)
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:53:18 GMT


In article :<1992Nov7.042158.1409@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
  souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:


[In article <Pine.3.05y.9211061940.A10090-f100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
[imnet@u.washington.edu (Islamic Movement Network) writes:
[>
[>IRAN
[>Iran's armed forces said that they were ready to help defend the
[>Muslims of Bosnia against Serbian attacks. In a statement issued

[So what are Iran's armed forces waiting for? why don't they
[go defend the Muslims of Bosnia?


	How do you expect them to go there? Can they by-pass the UN embargo
	which is enacted by American and NATO warships in the Adriatic sea 
	(sp?) alone? Do they have necessary ships and air support to go to
	another continent and got involved in a war by themselves? Or it takes
	the whole 46 so called Islamic countries to put pressure on UN to lift
	the embargo, by means of oil etc., and then send troops and arms
	together to save Bosnian Muslims from being extincted? It seems that
	in Purdue, you are so involved with your books that completely have
	forgotten about realities!

[>on November 4 and read over Tehran Radio, it said it would not
[>"deny Muslim sisters and brothers in Bosnia-Hercegovina any kind
[>of material or moral assistance."
[>Iran has been providing material support to the suffering Muslims
[in Bosnia. A shipment of 100,000 tons of oil, heating as well
[>as fuel oil, is being shipped to Bosnia as part of Iran's
[>pledge to ensure its survival through the winter.

[Many countries and individuals are helping with food, not just Iran.
[Even the western countries.  Give me a break and stop the propaganda.
[Can Iran "ensure" the survival of Bosnia?


	So what? why should the announcement of Iranian helps to Bosnia, which
	by no means is comparable with individuals and even the majority of
	Islamic governments, be so difficult to hear for you? Iran even can
	not ensure the survival of its own people in a world that western
	powers, along with their puppets, can and will do everything to
	suppress Islamic movements. When Iran claimed that they can ensure
	the survival of Bosnian Muslims alone?

	I, as a muslim, urge you to analyze news and facts free of hatred
	and prejudice.

[Ridha.

Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Maybe we should talk in a language that afghan people understand.
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:43:37 GMT

---
Ja-sos-ha-eh Kharji shologh mei-konand dar in newsgroup. Agar rast mei-goyeid,
va shoma afghani hastid be zabani sohbat Konid ke mardom afghanistan
sohbat mei-Konand.  Vagar na, Khafeh beshavid va bogozarid mardom afghanistan
dar solh zendegi konand.

On-ke ra hesab pak ast
      Az mohasebah cha buck ast?

                 Ba Arezoyeh Movafaghyat baryah shoma
                             Babak   Sehari.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: zxs6373@usl.edu (Siddiqui Zafar)
Subject: Re: Propaganda Sheet (Re: interview with Hikmatyar )
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:06:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.053513.15612@wam.umd.edu> endevour@wam.umd.edu (Afghan) writes:
>In article <9211101809.AA14209@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim) writes:
>>Assalam-o-alaikum
>>
>>    Here is Interview of Brother  Gulbadeen  Hikmat Yar. This interview was
>>taken by Muhammad Javed Mirza on 10th of October in CHAHAR ASIAB near Kabul.
>>He mailed me the copy of that interview and I am reproducing it.
>>
>>Shaukat Ali Bhatti
>>_________________________________
>>Sbhatti@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>
>
>For those netters who are not totally familiar with the situation in
>Afghanistan this should serve as a fair warning that this interview 
>is none but a neatly written propaganda sheet. 
>
>Gulbudin tried his best to form alliances with the former communists
>in order to secure power in Kabul. He failed and the current puppet 
>President won. Now Gulbudin wants to make a virtue out of a necessity 
>in portraying himself as the defender of democracy and Islam. The fact
>is he is none but a power hungry war monger who played the most negative
>role in the Afghan Jihad. His followers are a bunch of under achievers 
>who are totally outcasted from the main-stream of Afghan society. 
>
>

AssalamAlaikum.

Brother why do you help further the cause of the kuffar by branding the
mujahids as terrorists and power hungry. As rightly pointed out by Hikmatyar,
it is true that after the fall of Russia and its puppet govt. in Kabul,
Islamic government couldn't be formed. I am sure the two million afghan
shaeeds didn't lay down their lives for anything but Islam. So if afghanistan
fails to have an Islamic government in Kabul it would be a mockery of those
great souls who sacrificed their lives in the cause of Islam. 

And one thing is very certain. Kuffar and the munafiks among the muslims 
abhor the very idea of a muslim government. They would like to see any form
of government except an islamic one. Brother did you notice the campaign of 
the western media to make a hero out of some 'mujahedeen' and the former
communist generals. Do you think that they would have eulogised them if
they were true muslims? Did you see any time  the western media endorsing
anything Islamic?? Are you aware that the western media never let go an
opportunity to bismirch the name of Islam? Brother, you can very safely
conclude that anything which the western media endorses that is related to 
Islam and muslims is detrimental to islam.  The western media and the munafiks
among the muslims are unequivocal in their support of the former communist
generals and are dead against HitmatYar and allies - people who are the 
proponents of Islamic state. Please draw your conclusions!

May Allah guide us on the Right Path, the Path of those on whome He has
bestowed  His blessings and not the path of those who has gone stray or 
whose portion is Wrath. Ameen.

Wassalam,
Zafar.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:00:47 EST
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Tajikistan News #2

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (MARIA KOROLOV)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:42:02 PST


        KURGAN-TYUBE, Tadzhikistan (UPI) -- Combatants in the strife-torn
Central Asian republic of Tadzhikistan Thursday ignored calls by a
newly-created interim council to cease fire and work towards a
settlement in the long-running civil war.
        Anti-government rebels remained distrustful of moves by the
authorities to reconcile the warring sides, even though one of their key
demands, the resignation of the Islamic-democratic coalition government,
has now been met.
        ``How can we trust these people?'' opposition leader Sangak Safarov
told reporters in the southern rebel stronghold of Kurgan-Tyube, citing
repeated cease-fire violations by government forces.
        Fighting continued Friday in the Kurgan-Tyube region, as well as
other areas in the south and east of the backward former Soviet
republic. The war thus far has left thousands dead and created an army
of refugees.
        Tadzhikistan's coalition government this week handed power to an
interim council, headed by former acting President Akbarsho Iskandarov.
The council will rule until the republic's Parliament chooses a new
government at a session due to start next Monday.
        Parliament has not met since the beginning of the conflict, which
broke out last May after an alliance of democratic and Islamic parties
overthrew Communist President Rakhmon Nabiyev, stirring up a hornet's
nest of ancient clan rivalries that touched off a civil war.
        The pro-Nabiyev rebels fighting government forces in Kurgan-Tyube
reject claims they want to restore the old hardline regime.
        ``They accuse us of wanting to reinstate a Communist government,''
said Sangak Safarov. ``This is falsehood. We want a pure, renewed,
secular, democratic government.''
        Kurgan-Tyube still bears the scars of heavy fighting, with many
government and residential buildings destroyed. The hospitals are
overflowing with casualties from clashes between rebel troops and pro-
government forces.
        Sharif Ismonov, a middle-school literature teacher from the nearby
pro-Nabiyev stronghold of Kulyab, was recovering from a leg wound. ``I
was shot by my own former students,'' she said. ``I am from Kulyab. That
was enough. My house was burned down. The cow, the sheep, they took
everything.''
        In the capital Dushanbe, 60,000 refugees from the fighting are
putting a strain on already scarce resources. The railway network has
been disrupted by terrorist attacks and looting by troops. Supplies of
flour, sugar and oil are running out.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Subject: Re: Iran and Muslim World News ( was Re: Islamic World News 6 )
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:38:40 GMT

In article <BxILDr.JvK@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes:
>
>    In a fair division, having a 10% population means that you should give
>    a 10% share of everything to the 10% minority. Have you seen even 5% of
>    news in ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS being devoted to Iran or Shia? I haven't seen
>    such a case, and I would yield to your judgment.

IWN sometimes refers indirectly to shia and iran when analysing news.
Also the past two messages from IWN had articles about Iran (the latest
one about Iran's successful trade with Japan and Europe), so the 5% is
there.  Many other Muslim countries make billion dollar business with the
west.  Why single out iran with this piece.  Also it would be fair to
write about the help (both political and economical) of other Muslim countries
to Bosnia, not just iran (e.g. Pakistan, Malaysia,...)

>
>    acknowledged by Bosnian government, are fictitious? Weren't you following
>    the news, when they said that Iran has been supplying arms to Bosnians by
>    these planes, and threatened Iran to be prosecuted by UN security council
>    and arm and oil embargo?

I followed the news about only one airplane which was carrying weapons
and was stopped in Croatia.  So they didn't reach the bonians.  And there
was a big noise about it.  Good try anyway.

>
>    My dear brother, my previous article is still unanswered. Why hearing that
>    Iran is fulfilling its duty toward fellow Muslims should be so hard? Which
>    part of that news article or any other article has been trying to undermine
>    the activities of Sunnis, directly or indirectly? In such a situation that
>    Muslims are suffering all over the world, why YOU chose to be the one who
>    deviates attentions from those problem to the problem of Sunni and Shia?
>

I myself didn't intend to deviate.  I am just sick of the inaction of
Muslims.  When I read that the iranian army issued a statement in support
of Bosnians, I was mad and thought to myself: just talk.  Talk doesn't
help. Action is needed.  Food and medicine are good, but the bosnian
government has said that what they need is weapons so they can defend
themselves against the agression.  Nobody is helping in this respect.
True iran cannot do it just by itself and needs the cooperation of
other muslim countries.

>    I ask Allah s.w.t. to give all of us the power and the sincerity to
>    analyze everything in a manner which is His manner, and be free of
>    prejudice and hatred, Insha-Allah.
>

Aaameen.

>Mohammad
>

Ridha.