From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:52:43 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>> Genesis 6:14 states, "So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it
>> and coat it with pitch inside and out."
>  
> Uh-uh.  It was gopherwood.  You are wrong.

Actually no I'm not.  The word, in the Hebrew, for that type of wood was
uncertain.  The people who translated the King James Version believed that it
was gopher wood.  The people who translated the New International Version
called it cypress wood.

> 
>> What does this say about you fate?  I don't see how this applies.
>> 
>>> fate!  And, lo, God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, and don't think
>>> He won't to the same to you!
>> 
>> Perhaps He might.
> 
> God couldn't turn a turnip into a  tomato.

Why not?

> 
>> 
>>> I say this to you, not for any personal gain, but because, like Jesus, I love
>>> every one of you, and I only want the best for you.  You disdain the Bible,
>>> claiming it is not true.  But I have proof!  God says, "My words are true!"
>>> (Ecc. 5:14)  Does that not shake your souls to their roots?  But you will not
>> 
>> Ecclesiastes 5:14 states, "or wealth lost through some misfortune, so that
>> when he has a son there is nothing left for him."  
> 
> Wrong again; It says: "As he came forth from his mother's womb, so again shall
> he depart, naked as he came, having nothing from his labor that he can carry in
> his hand."  You *must* have the censored version.

No, again I am not wrong.  Verse 14 says exactly what I said it does.  You just
quoted verse 15, which says extactly what you wrote. 


>  
>> This is the place in Ecclesiastes where the Preacher is saying that riches are
>> not the best this that we have.
>> 
>>> listen, for Jesus said "You cannot hear the words of God because you are not
>>> of God."  Then he told his followers "Ye are not worthy of God because you have
>>> not one mustard seed of faith."  Does this mean nobody will go to Heaven?  No!
>> 
>> Jesus said to the Twelve AND others around him, "The secret of the kingdom of
>> God has been given to you."
>> 
>> Jesus also said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as
>> small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to
>> there' and it will move.  Nothing will be impossible for you."
>> 
>>> For He says "He who believes in me shall have eternal life!" (John 3:16)  Yes,
>>> even Hitler himself can walk through the pearly gates if he believes!
>> 
>> John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
>> 
>> At least you got one verse partly correct.
> 
> However, you are in error (as usual).  The real words from It:
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
> believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."
>                 ^^^^^ ^^^            ^^^^^

Wrong.  The Bible does not say that.

> 
> My other _The Holy Bible_ says (John 3:16):
> "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
> believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
>                  ^^^^^^ ^^^

These words "should not" and "shall not" are synonymous in the Greek.


> 
> I find it interesting how a couple words can make a great difference in how one
> is led.

I don't find the difference that you are trying to place on it.  I've read the
Greek and the translation that I gave you was valid.


>  
>>> But you, who turn your faces from God, shall feel His holy wrath!  Hellfire
>>> shall consume you, and you will learn that you have been misled!  Turn back
>>> now before it's too late!  For surely, as God said "Suffer not a witch to
>>> live!" shall you meet your eternal fate much sooner than you'd like!
>>>
>>> Ponder these words that Jesus spake unto the masses: "And ye shall take up thy
>>> wages and earnings, denouncing them for their earthly pleasure, and ye shall
>>> give them unto your Holy Leaders, your priests, who shall hold them in My
>>> keeping." (John 4:21-24)
>> 
>> What is that crap that you have written?  
>> 
>> John 4:21-24 says, "Jesus declared, 'Believe me, a time is coming when you will
>> worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.  You Samaritans
>> worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from
>> the Jews.  Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will
>> worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers
>> the Father seeks.  God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and
>> in truth.'"
> 
> "No" again.  The Truth:
> "Jesus said to her, 'Believe me, woman, the hour is coming where you will
> worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.  You people
> worship what you do not understand; we worship what we understand, because
> salvation is from the Jews.  But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true
> worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth; and indeed the Father
> seeks such people to worship him.  God is Spirit, and those who worship him
> must worship in Spirit and truth.'"

Here you are correct.  I had mistakenly left out the word ", woman,".  Sorry. 
It still has the same meaning though.


>   
>> It appears that you had no idea what you were talking about according to what
>> you say is John 4:21-24.
> 
> And how many have been led astray by all the translations of _The Holy Bible_
> which were slightly "off"?  (Why, the answer is simple, Xians say:  "None; God
> would not allow His Word to be Misquoted!")  Xians are blind to the world about
> them, carving new venues in the realms of Ill-logic. . .right?  Silence will be
> interpreted as the Holy Yes.

Our interpretations that we have today are VERY accurate.  Get yourself a copy
of the New International Version or the New Revised Standard Version.  They
used the most reliable texts to translate.


>  
>>> Rev. John D. Baptist
>> 
>> Cute.
>> 
>>> Disclaimer: I don't believe any of this hellfire and damnation shit, why should
>>> you?
>> 
>> No wonder you do not believe in it at all.  You quote nonsense.  You should
>> believe, for it is truth.
> 
> It is written:  "They who quoteth ye Bible in the name of God quoteth nonsense."

Where is that written in any book but yours?


>  
>> -- 
>> We'll know who's right in the end    *     Evan Marshall
>> Every knee shall bow                 *     marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
>> We'll know who's right in the end    *
>> Every tongue confess                 *
>> 
> 
> Know ye, God has had a profound effect on my life.  He has taught me His Way 
> for He has told Me His Secret.  The real Truth is that He was Lying all along;
> He was fabricated by Its Creators in order to control Its Worshippers. I see His
> Light and I am pleased; We are all Doomed for there is no Heaven and there is no
> Hell; we prey for Nothing:  Death itself. 

Heaven is promised.  Where is the truth in your statement.  Why has God
revealed this to no one save yourself.  How did this "lie" come to pass?  You
pray for nothing?  Is all that you desire torment?



> 
> --Shaitan & Semhaza--
> 

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