HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden)
Subject: Re: Hideous Red Sox Offensive Stats
Reply-To: mard@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.194223.8003@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
>In article <5532@transfer.stratus.com>, dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>|> Before a recent game, the TV announcer put up a set of offensive stats
>|> for the Red Sux which showed them dead last in every offensive category
>|> except for home runs, in which they were 13th.
>
>  That's not true! They're FIRST in the majors with SEVEN Grand Slams!!
>
>-Ron

Which, of course, could be taken as an indicator of their poor offense, since 
they get the bases loaded so often with walks and dinky-ass singles instead
of X-base hits. See Valentine's post for more details. And, incidentally, you
would think that what I just said might be true, considering the fact that
the Red Sox really SUCK offensively, yet they lead the league in Grand Slams.
Unless you care to argue that the Red Sox have a GOOD offense...


-- 
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From: Gerry Hobbs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Sold out???
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:28:31 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu
Organization: WVU Department of Stat & Cs

The Braves announced that Tuesday's game was not sold out after
XX consecutive sell outs. On a couple occassions the announcers have
gone to great pains to explain that the game really was sold out
even though 33,000 or so showed up, citing inclement weather as
the culprit. On other occassions during the streak the paid attendence
has been around 37,000 and the weather appeared clement(?) as all
hell. It is easy to believe the Braves are playing a little game here.
Make everyone think that tickets are hard to get so they'll buy them
up. Has anyone been to one of the "sell outs" and purchased a ticket
right before the game?

Related question. My kids are bugging me to take them to Camden Yards.
All games seem to be announced as sell outs. Are they really, or can I
get (even standing room) tickets at the gate?
         Gerry
From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A QUESTION ABOUT ICE CREAM CONES...
Summary: What's Roland going to do about this?
Keywords: Cone, Blue Jays, Shit!, AL East
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:39:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <7335@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, fvaughn@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) writes...
>So, exactly who are the Mets getting from the BLOWJays in exchange
>for Dave Cone?

A box of official National League Baseballs, 2 free tickets to a future
Toronto Blue Jays World Series Game, and a $10 gift certificate good at
the Hard Rock Cafe in the Skydome.  

Actually, I think they got Jeff Kent and the immortal PTBNL.

Please don't flame me for this, but 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't mind, I'm going to go drink a lot right now.

While you never know, I think this ends the race in the East, unless Toronto
trades for Jeff Reardon or something.  Toronto still lacks depth in the 
rotation, but this will go a long way toward making the Blow Jays' lead
hold up down the stretch.

If I were a Mets fan, I'd be jumping off of a tall building right now.

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Bruce 'Slower than Sam Horn' Hasch                 hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu

A VERY depressed Orioles fan, hoping for a miracle (Will the Cubs trade
Greg Maddux--we'll give you Bill Ripken and some skybox tickets to a future
game at the Yard)
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From: bone@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Douglas J. Bone)
Subject: Re: Braves 15 to protect
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Sep 92 21:35:09 GMT

In <1992Sep01.193031.12954@brtph560.bnr.ca> dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:

[Suggestion as to the Braves 15 protected list]
>Glavine	Smoltz		Avery		P Smith		Wohlers
Nied		Gant		Justice		Mercker		Klesko
K Mitchell	Nieves		Olson		Sanders		Pendleton

Seems ok to me, though I know little about Nieves.
What would you do in the following scenarios?  I suggest the following:
If they pick--		Then I would protect--
Lemke/Blauser/Belliard	Other two/Leibrandt
Nixon			Lemke/Leibrandt/Pena			
Hunter			Lemke/Hunter/Leibrandt
Leibrandt/Bielecki	Other one/Pena/Lemke
Stanton/Pena		Other one/Leibrandt/Lemke

What other minor leaguers need protection?

I would leave Blauser/Belliard available until one is taken or
until the next round, as it is costly to protect both and they
are somewhat interchangeable.

Does Nieves need protection?  If not, protect Lemke and consign the IF
loss to one of (Blauser/Belliard).


--
Douglas Bone		Internet: bone@luciano.stanford.edu
Standard disclaimers	BITNET:   bone%luciano.stanford.edu@stanford
apply.			UUCP:   ..ucbvax!luciano!sierra.stanford.edu!bone
From: Gerry Hobbs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: An old debate - answered
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:15:53 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu
Organization: WVU Department of Stat & Cs

Anybody catch the "rules question" on last nights' ESPN game?
Bream swung at a pitchout and hit the catcher's glove as he
stepped forward to receive the pitch and throw to second. The
ruling - interference on the catcher. As long as the batter stays 
in the batters box it is catcher's interference, was the answer. 
Seems to  me we had this debate on rsbb a couple years ago when 
an umpire ruled the other way - interference on the batter. One
suspects the swing must come at about the time of the pitch, 
otherwise things could get real silly.
                         Gerry

 
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From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: PTP FAQ (PURSUE THE PENNANT PC BASEBALL)
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: meteor.1992Aug30.030856.10525
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

In article <1992Aug29.074912.9928@terminator.cc.umich.edu> rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) writes:
>	I wonder how big of a sample some comments are coming from. I'm
>not saying they're not valid, but it would be helpful if future posts included
>"games played" or some such.

In my case, 2 leagues, I play half the games, 4 seasons in each (150 and 162
game seasons). That's a pretty good sample size.

>	I agree on the pitchers sometimes getting shelled, and that it 
>does seem random, but it doesn't happen that much, and it does even out. I
>see nothing inappropriate in streaks of 9-of-10 batters getting out - I 
>mean, really. That isn't unusual. Neither is good pitchers getting shelled, 
>being left in, and coming back, in real life. I haven't seen very many games
>that wouldn't reasonably happen in real life. Clemens gets shelled. It happens.

It should happen on rare occassions. It happens far more frequently in PTP
than in real life, and that is the problem.

>	Brian A. Dunkle               |          "Dig Zebrox!"

Stephen Jascourt   stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Padres-Orioles trade
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:09:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



The SD Padres traded LHP Craig Lefferts to the Orioles for RHP Eric
Shelstrom (sp?) and a PTBNL.

SD got rid of a high-price player who probably is not going to
repeat his early season successes as a starter. And is of little use
to them in the bullpen. Nice guy though, Lefferts.

SD got a hard-throwing RHP who threw a no-no in the minors last
year, and has a K/BB ratio > 3.00

Of course, the PTBNL could be Ben McDonald?! who knows.. #) #) 
[He and Jack Murphy Stadium would be the perfect fit for each other
in terms of BBDD POY award potential.]

ObCansecoTrade: To me, it was a Canseco for Witt trade. The other
two were not going back to the Rangers anyway.


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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Pitchers who can hit.
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:48:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BtLDsy.B76@zoo.toronto.edu>, rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes...
>Seems like we have to go through this every year, doesn't it?
>Anyway, remember what they do with pitchers who can hit (regardless
>of how well they pitch)?  Ask Babe Ruth.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>-- 
>Name:     Jim Rising
>Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
>UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
>BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca

A horrible thought:  If there had been a DH rule in 1915 in the AL, Babe Ruth
might have had 0 HR and a long pitching career.

For those who believe no pitcher can be a (career) decent hitter, 
consider the lifetime hitting stats of Don Newcombe (ML 1949-1960):
AB    H  2B  3B   HR  R  RBI   BA   SA
878  238 33   3   15 94  108  .271 .367

and in 1955:
AB    H  2B  3B   HR  R  RBI   BA   SA
117  42   9   1    7 18   23  .359 .632

Obviously, there are HOF'ers with lower lifetime BA (e.g. Pee Wee Reese .269).

Big Newk was a better hitter than most of the currently healthy Mets position 
players.  :-)

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Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."   
World Championships:  Brooklyn-----1955   
                      Los Angeles--1959  1963  1965  1981  1988
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From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE 
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:19:53 GMT

>In several articles <37327@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> several people write:
>>
>>Cone for Jeff Kent and ptbnl
>>

I wonder if Roger Clemens is worth Jeff Kent and a ptbnl...

:-)

-- 
Warren Usui
aardvark@locus.com
uunet!lcc!aardvark

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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Easts are Least. NOT!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:28:00 GMT

If one looks at the numbers that Joseph Hernandez gives for the present 
standings in the Majors, something stands out:

Overall, the NL East is +4 against the NL West and the AL East is +2 against 
the AL West.

Although the season is not over, I hope this stops people from talking about 
the weak East divisions in comparison to the West divisions. This indicates 
that although there aren't as many big teams like Atlanta, Oakland, etc. in the
East divisions, more overall depth can be found in those divisions.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: nayar@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Naresh Nayar)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 12:31:39 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


 Could somebody post/email the phone no. for getting Cubs' tickets.
Directions  to Wrigley field via  train/bus would be appreciated.	  
(I plan to be in Chicago over the labor-day weekend).
                                                             
Thanks,
Naresh
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Re:Boggs Toronto Bound?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:53:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.193504.9420@brtph560.bnr.ca>, dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:
> Wade Boggs and Dave Magadan are similar players. 
> Usually a high average, high OBP, walk alot,
> and are slow around the base paths. Only, Magadan
> will not command the kind of salary that Boggs
> will. Magadan is a younger underrated version
> of Wade Boggs.            

Underrated means is he is as good as but doesn't get credit.  Are you
seriously claiming that on their stats to date, Magadan is as good of a
hitter as Boggs?



>         1. Boggs (3rd)       or   1. Magadan (3rd)
>         2. Alomar(2nd base)       2. Alomar(2nd base)
>         3. Carter(OF)             3. Carter(OF)
>         4. Winfield(DH)           4. Winfield(DH)
>         5. Olerud (1st base)      5. Olerud (1st base)
>         6. Maldanado (OF)         6. Maldanado (OF)
>         7. White (OF)             7. White (OF)
>         8. Borders(C)             8. Borders(C)
>         9. Lee (S)                9. Lee (S)

-- 

Dan S.
From: pl16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Stephen Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:55:56 GMT
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>  I made some guesses about how Juan Gonzalez would finish this season and 
>feed this year and his previous years back into the Brock2 program written by
>David Grabiner.  According to this, he should pass Babe Ruth as the all-time
>homerun hitter.  Also, it looks like he has a chance to pass Maris in the 
>single season homerun record( Of course this happens when he's 27 years old).
>Anyway, it was interesting to look at.

Huh?
Babe Ruth isn't the all time home run hitter
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves 15 to protect
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:00:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu wrote:
}
}                  Nied is the guy pitching tonight...
}brought up, I hadn't heard of him on the "top prospects" list, thought.

According to today's paper, the Braves consider Nied their top
starting prospect.

}Any guesses on who we'll be likely to lose under this arrangement?
}Key unprotected people include Otis Nixon, Lemke, Belliard, and Bream.
}We could lose Otis ...

I doubt Nixon or Bream would be very appealing due to age.  Lemke and
Belliard can be easily replaced.  Blauser I would hate to see go.

}                                               The Braves management
}is so in love with [Stanton] that they might protect him over Wohlers
}or Pete Smith, though.

Wohlers is certain to be protected - Pete Smith I'm not so sure about,
though he has been making a case (4-0, 2.41 ERA in 5 starts).

}                                                    At first
}base we have Klesko, unless Hunter shows great improvement.

Speaking of players the Braves are "so in love with", Hunter might well
be protected.  (Though I surely wouldn't do it.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Lookout, Braves...
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Summary: Footsteps
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:27:57 GMT

     Just heard on TBS that the Braves/Expos game has been cancelled due to 
rain. There are two possibilities for replaying it:
1) Next Thursday both teams are idle. The Braves will be returning home, and 
the Expos will be on the road, so they may play it then.
2) They may wait till the end of the season. The benefit, so we TV watchers 
were dutifully informed by the Braves' announcers, is that if the one game has 
no impact upon the standings, then they it will be skipped.
    Finally, the announcers lamented that the game was sold out, and since the 
game was not played, this hurt their chances to draw 3 million this year.
    As a Reds fan, I have just one thing to say: AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHH. 
Pity, Pity, Pity. Cincy routinely draws 2 million per year, success or no. Now 
you get some success, and if you can't get 3 million, then attendance in 
Atlanta will be average, right? (I can remember years when 3500 or fewer would 
show up per game.)

     Now, your lead is down to three and a half games. Hearing footsteps? Big 
leads disappear in a hurry (we know; we had a six game lead seven games before 
the All-Star break. POOF!). All I have to say is...

GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
David Rodabaugh                    rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets trade Cone
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:17:25 GMT
 <rmk0-280892081525@132.197.9.225> <1992Aug28.062003.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> <1992Aug28.141531.20204@midway.uchicago.edu>
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Aug28.141531.20204@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.062003.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>can't count on them for more than 3 years.  (Yeah, like the ever-inconsistent
>>Cone.)
>>
>>I think the Mets would modify this reg just a WEE bit if it was
>>Clemens or Eckersley coming up for free agency....
>             ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Would *you* sign a 38-year old to a five year contract?  I wouldn't.

OK, OK, you have a point.

But he is only 37, not 38.  The deal he got from the A's was less than he
could've gotten elsewhere (so he says), and there is plenty of precedent for
40-year old relief aces to be just as effective as they've ever been. (Gene
Garber and Don McMahon, who aren't even HOF candidates, are two examples.)

Even if a 42-year-old Eck is only as good as, say, a 1992 Jeff Reardon, he'd
still be valuable to a lot of teams.  That's about the level I think he would
fall to in 1996.

All in all, it depends on which 38-year-old you're talking about. :-)
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "Go away, you cultural elite!"
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Collusion or Sanity?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:51:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.214941.11226@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>
>i almost wonder if, in the near future, we're going to see some baseball
>owners filing chapter 11, and slicing a 'zero' off the end of every salary.

You gotta wonder why the owners are so paranoid about releasing their
books.  Maybe the figures would show that they really are making more
money than they admit to?

Which is why they'll never file for bankruptcy.  Their records
would then be public.

>the new tv contract is going to be less.  unless the economy
>turns around, more fans will not be going out to the ball game (as in 
>pittsburgh).  which means less people buying $4.00 beers.

We'll see.  They are still setting new attendance records most every
year.  And the new TV contract hasn't been negotiated yet.  Might even
turn out to be *more* money, if they actually show some games
occasionally...

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: map@ccrwest.UUCP (Mark Prysant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: OH! Sherri won't like this. (Re: Sierra to be traded?)
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:18:49 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research

In article <5143@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
 >In article <21011@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
 >>
 >>What I want to say:
 >>
 >>  What a JOKE.  There is no way the Rangers will trade Sierra for a
 >>pretty good prospect.  It would need to be much more.  Come on, don't
 >>suggest silly trades (I know Gammons said it, but he is a dork anyways)
 >>
 >
 >Come on yourself Dave.  If the Rangers don't make this trade what will
 >Sierra be worth to them in six weeks?  They're not going to be able to 
 >resign him, from what I hear he will not resign with Texas for any price
 >and the Rangers are out of the pennant race so a Sierra for ANY prospect
 >is a plus for them at this point.  
 >
 >This not a matter of getting something of equal for Sierra, that's simply
 >not going to happen at this point in the season and it is a choice between
 >getting something or getting nothing.

Are you saying they wouldn't even get a draft pick for losing him
as free agent? That seems hard to believe.

Mark Prysant
(map@ccrwest.org)
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:50:47 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Sep02.204409.2123@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:
>Since we've all gone into gory detail about how much better Tony
>Phillips, Lou Whitaker, and Mickey Tettleton are than Cecil Fielder, I
>thought I'd delve into another issue.
>
>I brought up the example of using opposing pitcher's ERA in the
>RBI/PA/RISP equation to illustrate that these statistics are getting
>absurd. 

What statistics are you referring to as being absurd?


>If you are going to go into gory detail about each hitter than
>go all the way:

What do you mean by "gory detail"?

[some absurd rhetoric deleted]

>Any statistic you can come up with is bound to be affected by countless "what
>ifs". Keep it simple. 

Even if that makes it stupid?  You seem to be making
some kind of claim that Fielders RBI totals have a meaning.  What
meaning would you ascribe to them?

>Games played, runs scored, hits, walks, RBI, etc. (i.e.
>the basics) give a solid idea of hitting performance. Sure there may be some
>misleading info, but many of the other stats you can present can also be
>equally as misleading.

Well, *why* might looking at RBI opportunities, or simply RBI/out
be misleading?  Equally misleading?  You are simply giving 
unreasoned handwaving and gobbledygook.  Why are "the basics"
magic? 

-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
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From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.001421.873@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.214710.29968@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>
>Personally I prefer Sprague.  A stronger history, more experience, and
>a harder defensive position.  But Jeff Kent is the best of the three.
>(And Derek Bell, also rumored to be the PTBNL, is better than any of
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the above.)  This PTBNL could be interesting...

Supposedly, on WFAN, Mets GM said..."the PTBNL is not on the current
25 man roster".
>
>Cheers,
>-Valentine
>
>-- 
>Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu

-Mike

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