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From: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ECLIPSE PERFORMANCE PACKAGES
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Peter Paraska)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, jstein@tellab1.tellabs.com (Jeff Steinhauer) writes:
>Has anyone ever tried the performance package offer by HKS. I think
>this includes a turbo booster, performance suspension system and
>something else I can't quite remember. There was an article in CAR
>AND DRIVER about the system but can't seem to remember much else
>about it. I would just like to know the cost, ease of installation
>and actual performance boost.

Motor Trend did a test of a 90 or 91 Eclipse GSX with the HKS Stage
I, II, and III performance level packages in December 91.  The total
cost of all three upgrades was stated as $3896.65.  This is for parts
only I believe.

Stage I is the Power Flow exhaust ($389.95) rated at a 16 hp increase
w/ max boost of 11.5 psi.

Stage II includes:
  * Electronic Valve Controller (EVC)  $611.95
  * Centerforce Clutch                 $424.95
  * Auxilliary Boost Gauge             $199.99
	Total                         $1236.85
Stage II is rated at a 15 hp increase w/ a max boost of 14.0 psi.

Stage III includes:
  * Sport Turbo Unit                  $1199.95
  * Programmed Fuel Computer (PFC)     $620.95
  * High-volume fuel pump              $208.95
  * Modified air mass sensor           $240.00
	Total                         $2269.85
Stage III is rated at a 45 hp increase w/ a max boost of 17.5 psi.

All previous stages kits are to be used with each stage upgrade.  The
total reported power output of all 3 stages is 271 hp.  0-60 time went
down from 7.1 sec to 5.6 sec.

If your interested in knowing more about these cars you should consider
the Talon/Laser/Eclipse email list.  Send subscription request to:
   talon-request@radius.com   (I'm pretty sure of this address)
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: msingh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Supreme Commander)
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:24:34 GMT

>How does a radar detector remind you of the speed limit?  When my
>radar dector goes off, it tells me that there is (probably) a police
>officer around, and that I should be aware that other cars might start
>braking for no apparent reason.

This is probably one of the biggest reasons I don't believe in the
stupid speed limits in the US. We have cars designed to cruise,
safely, at about 65MPH, yet we have these speed limits far lower. All
of us know that everyone drives faster than the speed limit, so it's
not like there are 1 or 2 people who don't. The low speed limits must
be left over's from the 60's!

But, the worst thing is the fact that everyone slams on the brakes as
soon as they see a policeman. This causes more accidents and grief
than anything, all for catching some guy going 60. Worse, they usually
ignore the fools weaving in and out of traffic at 80!



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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney)
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Keywords: Timing belt, 60000, crankshaft...
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:27:12 GMT

jyri@faline..bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>In article <trung.714150545@sundance> trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran) write
>>My question is that is this really true?  I can't really see how the broken
>>timing belt will bend the crankshaft!!!

>It's not a Camry problem, nor Toyota, specifically. It is true for all
>cars that have camshafts driven by belts.

This is just not true. I can't speak for the Camry, but the 83-87 Coronas
have a "freewheeling" engine so that the pistons won't hit the valves if the
timing belt breaks; so it's not even true in all toyotas, let alone all cars.

>It is rare for this to actually break, but it might. If it does, the camshaft
>will stop turning, so the pistons will hit the valves. Can you say MAJOR
>damage to the engine?

Not all engines are alike. It would be better for you not to imply that Trung
is too stupid to even pronounce, let alone understand the implications of a
timing belt break, when you don't have the facts straight yourself.

Having said that...

>>TOYOTA come up with a fix to this already?  I've put almost 90,000 miles on
>>my 89 Supra and I'm pretty sure the timing belt has not been changed yet.
>>Should I?  Besides, I feel quite stupid to bring the car to the dealer and
>>tell them to replace the timing belt for no apparent reason, then, I have
>>to pay them hundreds of dollars too.

Trung, I'm sure they won't think you're stupid, in fact they'll probably be
happy to take your money for it :-). It would be wise to check with a reliable
source (probably rules Usenet out) whether your car really does have a
freewheeling engine or not.

Graham
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The death penalty is not a deterrant.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Are all motor oils the same?
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:20:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.151530.29452@oakhill.sps.mot.com> rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>I have a new car (a Saturn SC), and I was wondering about the
>quality of motor oils lately.  I've used Pennzoil in my previous
>car, but the mechanic at the dealer thought Pennzoil was one of
>the worst oils on the market, due to too many additives in it.
>He liked Valvoline and Quaker State, but I've also heard some
>horror stories about Quaker State from years past.  Now, I'm
>thoroughly confused.

the horror stories about Quaker State pretty much stem from
a bad batch of additives in the 10W40 one year; many people got up
on the first really cold winter morning to discover crankcases full
of white goo that didn't really lubricate very well.  as far as i
know, this problem got fixed almost immediately, but the memory
of the incident lives on, and a lot of formerly loyal Quaker State
customers now buy a lot of Castrol GTX and/or Valvoline.

i personally have used Castrol extensively in the past, and liked it,
but am currently using entirely Valvoline; all climate in my beater
cars and turbo in my good cars.  it works good; the last time i had
the cylinder head off of my V-6 Alfa (valvoline turbo since new;
97,000 miles at this time) the internals looked absolutely immaculate.

i have no comments on Penzoil whatsoever.

cheers,
  richard
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welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
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From: cknudson@Auspex.COM (Cliff Knudson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: EAGLE - PREMIERE   ANY  INFO?????
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:15:34 GMT
Distribution: usa


	I am considering buying an eagle premiere es. It's an 89.
I was wondering if anybody has any additional info on this car?

	Thanks for all responses!

.
-- 
   Cliff Knudson    San Jose, Ca.    408-492-0900     cknudson@auspex.com
 
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel, Jr.)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Stanford U
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.151437.23926@wuecl.wustl.edu> gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
>throttle quit responding. I suddenly realized I was out of fuel and had just
>passed the station. I pulled over into the next parking lot, ran back to the
>station, bought a 1 gallon fuel can, filled it up, ran back to the car,
>poured it in, and it started right up! Then I just drove back to the
>station and filled it up. Somehow, it didn't cause a problem to be out
>of fuel!

That's because the injection pump is self priming.  NO need to worry
about that anymore.

C

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wayned@cbnewse.cb.att.com (wayne.martin.degrange)
Subject: Re: Economics and the like...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:13:13 GMT
Keywords: about cars, NOT!

It happens all the time.  Lets can all this discussion
about the multiplying effect, tax loop holes, profits
going back to japan or any other discussion of economics,
which, from what i have been reading, is only remotely
related to cars.  The very same could be said about TVs,
other consumer electronic, etc.  Lets have more discussion
of cars.

Wayne deGrange
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:40:41 GMT

stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) writes:


>Did anyone get the license number of that turnip truck?

Awwwwwwwwwww..did we fall.
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:06:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug20.033849.11769@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
>Hey, wait a minute here.  This is a RACING group, not a go-slow group.
>
>If you're not into turbos or nitrous injection, go away!  (Please?)
>-- 
>Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not

Oh come on Dave.  Maybe the original poster was looking to buy a used F1 car.
(I'd suggest a Footworks)  And another point.... since F1 cars don't use
nitrous and don't have turbos then people discussing them should go away!?  :-)

Rob U, if it ain't got a turbo and it don't burn methanol it ain't ....

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-       Rob Unglenieks             REAL race cars DON'T wear BOWTIES       -
-     "Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle           -
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Hesitation in Nissan Stanza '87
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:29:50 GMT

I test drove an 87 Nissan Stanza (wagon, the tall boxy ones) on Sat.
It seemed to have a bit of a flat spot starting acceleration, and 
also seemed to surge up and down *slightly* at cruise.  This last
is a new symptom to me.  Is it familiar? Fixable?  Come with the
territory?

Any other praises or condemnations of this car might be appreciated.

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:50:10 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.215551.4386@tsoft.sf-bay.org>, meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:
> But today, I took my car in for the 30,000 mile sheduled maintenance
> service and the  guy told me it will cost $758.  And this is not
> for fixing anything.

Ouch.

> Can anybody tell me what they do at 30,000 mi. that they don't
> do at other mileages on Ford cars?

My '92 Crown Victoria just cost me $310, it included a new air filter, oil-lube
and filter routine, a tune-up and a transmission oil and filter change, and
some other, minor stuff I forget.  It seemed high then, but I guess I got off
easy.

It has been mentioned in Car and Driver that a lot of dealers are recommending
far more service than the car manufacturer, in order to make up for lost ser-
vice profits due to more reliable cars and to bulk up the bottom line of the
dealership overall due to the recession.  They had an article about some bloody
massive service for nearly ten times the price of the actual service recommend-
ed by the manufacturer.  It recommended in very strong terms to check your
owners manual before scheduling service.  I'm pretty sure the transmission
work is not recommended by Ford, but since I use the car very heavily (30K
miles in 10 months) in hilly areas with a lot of passing, and since I need it
to last at least 150K miles, I decided to go with it on the off chance that a
little babying now will pay off big later on.  Nevertheless, one should be most
cautious when dealing with a dealer service dept (or Sears, or Goodyear, it
would appear).

>My parents had a friend who owned a Ferrari and his tune-ups cost $800,
>but for him the air filter was $400.  I didn't know Ford was making Ferrari's
>these days :)

If you can afford a Ferrari, you can afford $400 for an air filter.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron.
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Deity was on the point of saying "Let there be light" we never would've had it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Subject: FOR SALE: A good, sporty VW from 1960's !   VRRROOOMMMMMMMMM.....
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:52:52 GMT

We have intented to sell our car, because the owner moves to Europe ! It's in
a good condition, really hot and well kept. Further details (don't email me):
April Parker  (408) 246-3976 . And this is in San Jose, CA. 


	You don't go out with every girl. You don't drive any car. Buy this !
	This is for sale. You can offer your own price, but we don't leave 
	_her_ to a home that can't afford at least 5,000 bucks. Make your own
	offer ! Give _her_ a good, caring and loving family and garage ! 

		HURRY UP IF YOU WANT TO GET IT ! IT HAS BEEN ASKED A LOT. 

-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint

	No ITU, love, evolution.           Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !
From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:19:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug12.141707.25576@ra.msstate.edu> mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
>
>I have a set of locking lugnuts (McGuard brand) that uses a squiggly shaped key (no
>serial number).
>
>The key is broken (shattered, but I have most of the pieces).  
>
>Any Suggestions for removing the locks?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark
>mrr1@isis.msstate.edu
>

Go to a Tire place, most of 'em have "Unlocking" kits, basically, its a set of
"sockets" that start out wide and get narrower, they put these over the "lock
nut" and bang it in till its tight, then unscrew it... I know NTW places
usually carry 'em... Depends on a a few things though, like if there is space
around your nuts for the "tool" also it depends on the kind of nut you use..

How this helps... (BTW I found this out 'casue I thought I lost my key, but
I found it before they had to do it... I hid it too well...)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Reply-To: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:19:16 GMT

tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes of his SHO:
|>
|> [ Stuff Deleted ]
|>
|>I called Swanson Ford in Los Gatos, CA (recommended by several people)
|>and they said the 30,000 mile service is $550 - 575.  That includes
|>fuel injection service (clean injectors throttle body...) changing all
|>filters on the car, tune-up, scan all codes (computer system).  He says
|>the SHO is actually $150 cheaper than a car with auto transmission.
|>
|> [ More Stuff Deleted ]
|>
|>Tom Pickett 
|>tpickett@auspex.com
|>SHO  GOZE
   
  These kinds of prices are what keeps the dealer in business 
  folks. Just for reference, I performed all the 30K mile services
  on my SHO. Here's what I spent, off the top of my head:
 
  Two bottles of antifreeze, plus distilled
  water, and a good garden hose                     $10
  Six quarts Mobil 1 and a Fram filter              $25
  Three quarts Amsoil ATF                           $18
  Grease seals and grease for rear bearings         $10
  Air Filter (Fram)                                 $10 (?)                     
Bottle of Techron  (Can't remember price on this) $??
  Bottle of Castrol LMA brake fluid                 $5 (?)
  Rotate tires                                      $Free
                                                   ---------
  Total Cost                                        $78 +
   
  The Taurus has no grease fittings, so one doesn't 
  require a front end lube. I still need to replace 
  the fuel filter, but that is about a $10 part, and
  an easy hours labor, from start to finish. Spark
  plugs are a 60K mile service item. SHOs have no
  distributor.  
  
  So, for less than a hundred bucks, I have performed 
  the same services, using higher quality fluids and 
  lubricants than the dealer supplies for more than 
  five times that amount of money. Total time invested
  is maybe six hours. (I work slow, OK?)
 
  Just thought it makes an interesting comparison, and
  shows that a little knowledge can go a long way toward
  saving a few dollars.
 
 --------------------------------------
 Jim Yuhn
 Bell-Northern Research
 Richardson, TX
 
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From: jdon@drutx.ATT.COM (BookJD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Recommendations for Mini Van
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:58:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

Took a trip to Minnisota with my son and pregnant wife
in a Jeep Cherokee w/o a/c. I am now in the market for
a mini van with dual a/c. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance, J. Don
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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: INTEGRA SUSPENSION.
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> I was told that the front caster on my Integra is off and there is no
-> way to correct that.  Is this true or is there some adjustment to the
-> front struts when the time comes to replace them.
->
-> I have 65K on the car and on the original struts, should they be
-> replaced soon, the ride is decidedly on the rough but not too bumpy.
-> Any good aftermarket replacement like from Jackson Racing ??

 Well, you probably should replace the struts since factory ones start
giving way at about 20,000 miles ( Long time ago in your case).  As for
the camber, I don't know much about them but something you may consider
getting is the  ADJUSTABLE CAMBER PLATE for the 86-89 Integra's  at
Jackson Racing.  It allows you to adjust camber up to a total of + or -
3 degrees. It costs $134.00.  There may also be some other stuff from
Lightspeed and HKS.

Jackson Racing
16291 Gothard St.
Huntington Beach, CA 92647
714-840-3001

   Erich Lim
      erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                                  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kts@beach.csulb.edu (Ken Sumida)
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:15:00 GMT

In article <36745@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> za72@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (mo'money) writes:
>In article <BsuH1z.Byt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rra21220@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rae R. Aranas) writes:
>>I was just wondering what
>>all of the rec.auto readers
>>thought about the new 
>>Honda Prelude 
>>
>>Looking for opinions,
>>RRA
>
>let just say the prelude was not in need of a new design

New prelude is just looks weird from any angle... ;)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: new Integra
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:53:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.105327.3068@memstvx1.memst.edu> liys@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Anyone has info about the '93 Integra's?

not much change from '92.  1.8 liter DOHC 16 valve producing 140 bhp,
same as before.  ABS available only on the GS.  still has those stupid
mouse belts, no airbag.  there may be some minor trim changes but nothing
really worth noticing.

my friend heard (from the dealer) that the integra GS-R may not be long
for this world.  it doesn't seem to be selling very well.  very nice
engine (1.7 liter four, 160 bhp, variable valve timing, sounds great),
but the car costs too much.  for what a GS-R costs, you could
almost buy a corrado SLC (which is much better).  or you could buy
a GS and save a thousand bucks.
hmm.  maybe you could get a really good deal on a GS-R.
-teddy
From: rhw@evolving.com (Robert H. Wiebener)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mail Order Tires
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:53:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

paul@maruba.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856) writes:
:   I am think about order tires via mail order from The Tire Rack. My only
: concern is getting them mounted and balanced. Have other people used mail
: order for tires, and did they find their local tire stores would fit them?
: The two places I tried were not interested in doing it and instead attempted
: to sell me tires.

I just recently completed a purchase of tires from the tire rack.
Excellent is how I would rate their service.  About mounting and
balancing,  I had mine done at Sears, they use wheel match balancing and
charged $6.00 per tire to mount.  Balancing was the same as if you
bought the tires there, $6.00/one time $12.50/lifetime.  Not a hassle.
Try bigger tire stores.

-- robert 

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