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From: cwaite@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Waite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Calypso lyrics
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:51:53 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Dear Networkers,

I am doing a PhD on Trinidad carnival, and was in Trinidad in 1988-9.
Cro-Cro's 'Corruption in the common entrance' caused quite a stir while
I was there, showing up some interesting differences regarding concepts
of Trinidadian community. Unfortunately, I did not take a note of the lyrics.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Chris Waite
email: cwaite.uniwa.uwa.edu.au

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From: nvw8292@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: **
Reply-To: nvw8292@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:36:56 GMT

I hear Ja. takin in haitians now?  Whats di scoop?
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From: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC)
Subject: Earthquake in Jamaica
Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:22:01 GMT

I recently got my 'Gleaner' so I thought I would elaborate a bit on the above
subject for those who don't have access to one. The following are excerpts
from the Weekly Gleaner of Jan. 18.

Two Quake Deaths Recorded
"Henry Cargil ,22,( no, not Morris..) was walking with friends along a cliff
 in the parish of Portland when the quake struck, loosening the rocks causing
 him to fall into the sea and drown.

"An elderly woman died of shock after the quake.

"Minor Damages to Buildings
1.	The UDC Bldg. was badly damaged
2.	There are cracks in the roadway approaching the Causeway from Marcus
	Garvey Drive.
3.	Landslides in the vicinity of Cement Corporation.
4.	Walls and Roofs cracked or badly damaged in Meadowbrook Estate and in
	Woodford Park, East Kingston.
6.	Buildings at the UWI Campus at Mona damaged and occupants had to be
	evacuated.
7.	Downtown Kingston area and the eastern section of the island appear to
	have felt the bulk of the shocks.

"A History of Quakes In Jamaica
	"Jamaicans on Wednesday, Jan. 13, launched a day early into Earthquake
"Awareness Day which was to have been (observed) by the Office of Disaster
Preparednes when an earthquake measuring 5.1 on the Richter scale struck the
island lasting for 15 sec.

"Here are the dates and happenings of some of the major earthquakes to have
struck the island since the 17th century:

*	June 7, 1692, the city of Port Royal was destroyed by and earthquake.
	Sections of the town sank into the sea. 

(At the time Port Royal was reputed to be the wickedest city on earth. I can't
remember the name of the man who was swollowed up by a crack  in the ground and
later 'spat' out again).

*	Jan. 14, marks the 86 year since 'the great 1907 earthquake struck the
	island leaving over 1,200 persons dead.

*	Mar.1, 1957, the heaviest earthquake in fifty years sturck the city of
	Kingston. (7.28 on the Richter Scale).

*	On May 9, 1988, at 11.24 a.m., an earthquake lasting 90 seconds was felt
	in Jamaica. No one died but, a young girl in fright jumped through a 
	schoolwindow and broke her leg." 


************************
Hello Terri
From: jamaica@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: RE:Jamaica gone to perdition!
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:06:33 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I am regular reader of the this newsgroup since september. I hope
my first contibution is well recieved ( electronic or otherwise!)
As a returning student who has had his fill of North American life
and goes home once or twice a year to remind myself of my 'roots',
I am always surprised of how much Jamaica has adopted the lifestyle
of North America as being superior when in fact poverty abounds
here. I find RC's : perdition sadly pessimistic of Jamaica's future
I understand that things will always change and that the past is
not a perfect guide, but what have Jamaicans forgotten of the 
struggle to at les 
least where we are now. Have all Jamaicans forgotten the
contributions of our forebearers : Bustamante, N.Manley, Louise
Bennet and Bob Marley ( to name a few!) on what it means to be
a Jamaican.What it means to me is tht you stand and fight when
challenged and when necessary-- I am speaking of the use of the
mind and not guns,knives,acid,etc -- inspite of the odds against
you. This may not be uniquely Jamaican but it is the history and
culture I grew up under.When reason failed, peaceful Jamaicans
resorted to " road block ". I remember the good ol' days of gas
   
price protest. Always a good reason for school to end early or
miss entirely ! The goverment some how managed to bring the
issue to an end or scale bak the price increase. I doubt whether
the same can be done today. I believe the perdition in Jamaican
society is a warning of "woserarar" things to come if we continue
to forget the past.
I am always ready to pounce on the issue of dicrimination in 
North America. I am very angry that there is actually a club in
Kingston that practices overt racism. " A wha' is dis in a we
yard" The people that I grew up with ( all races,classes and
creeds -- I am an old J.C. boy ) would not have tolerated such
a thing. If you wre not of of the view to " MASH IT RASS UP "
then you at least express your soladarity by boycotting it. You
r support was never in question. Fellow Caribbeanites have always
told me of how they admired Jamaicans for their fight. It would
seem that Jamaica is out to dissapoint. I hope we don't, we would
lose too much.
This is my opinion, not the law.Comments welcome.
Raymond Ally
Graduate Student
Department of Economics
Dalhousie University
Halifax,Nova Scotia,Canada.
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From: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC)
Subject: Re: uwi usenet access?
Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:23:08 GMT

I managed to contact the Mona Campus recently, but I have not determined the
access of the general student population to the 'Net.

Anyway, try IN%"manison@uwimona.edu.jm" 
The contact person there is:
Keith Manison 
Planning Officer - Computerization
Principal's Office
U.W.I Mona, Jamaica.




Pat.


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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Jamaica gone to perdition!
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:10:19 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <PLM.93Jan22152435@reggae.cam.bellcore.com>, plm@reggae.cam.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt) writes:
> 	<1993Jan22.142144.20816@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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> In-Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT
> 
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT, pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC) said:
>> Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu
> 
>> Richard, I don't know which utopia you are presently living in but, the
>> problems you described seem pretty universal to me. The trouble in Jamaica
>> is always exaggerated by those of us who hear it second hand or who have
>> recently had to face it. As the saying goes, No Whe' No Betta Dan Yard. 
>> Foreign Lands are  just as bad but, we delude ourselves into thinking 
>> otherwise.
> 
> I just came back from 4 weeks in JA.  And I enjoyed every minute of it.
> I had to stop and think every now and then, how come things seems to be
> going backward for some people.  I watched the the local news and read the
> paper and compared it to what was going on back here on the various news
> casts being beamed in via satellite and concluded that JA is just like any
> other place in the world.  I felt safer there than say Brooklyn or Bronx, NY.
> 
> The city areas is still plagued with the same crimes
> that I used to hear about when I lived in the country.  So for me It was no
> big surprise to see what I saw when I was there.
> 
> One of the big problems in JA is that we fail to realize that our main
> source of income is agriculture.  So lots of land goes wasted, while
> everyones trying to mek-a-money selling foreign made goods.
> 
> ---
> 	"Jamaica is a little nice great place.  Mi really love
> 	Jamaica, because mi walk plenty stone land inna Jamaica and plenty
> 	hills.  But ah think we really need a direction.  Not a big ol'
> 	signing up this and signing up that, but a direction in your own
> 	country.  Wah happen to the earth.  An mean wi have to till the soil.
> 	An' it noh call fi slavery fi do that.  It just call fi understanding."
> 		Bob Marley - Interviews
> 	

Agree 100% with your post Paul.  I'd like to add manufacturing to agriculture.

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From: hstewar1@thomas.helios.nd.edu (hemsley stewart)
Subject: Re: Jamaica gone to perdition!
Reply-To: hstewar1@thomas.helios.nd.edu (hemsley stewart)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:21:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.211019.11519@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> In article <PLM.93Jan22152435@reggae.cam.bellcore.com>, plm@reggae.cam.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt) writes:
|> > 	<1993Jan22.142144.20816@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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|> > Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
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|> > In-Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT
|> > 
|> >>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT, pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC) said:
|> >> Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu
|> > One of the big problems in JA is that we fail to realize that our main
|> > source of income is agriculture.  So lots of land goes wasted, while
|> > everyones trying to mek-a-money selling foreign made goods.
|> > 
|> > ---
|> > 	"Jamaica is a little nice great place.  Mi really love
|> > 	Jamaica, because mi walk plenty stone land inna Jamaica and plenty
|> > 	hills.  But ah think we really need a direction.  Not a big ol'
|> > 	signing up this and signing up that, but a direction in your own
|> > 	country.  Wah happen to the earth.  An mean wi have to till the soil.
|> > 	An' it noh call fi slavery fi do that.  It just call fi understanding."
|> > 		Bob Marley - Interviews
|> > 	
|> 
|> Agree 100% with your post Paul.  I'd like to add manufacturing to agriculture.


I've read with some amusement, the to and fro arguments about whether Jamaica had gone to the dogs or not.  As if the problems we are having are only of recent vintage!

The subject of Jamaica`s place in the world is always a painful one to me, because I've watched us waste our most valuable resources.  Ourselves.

Jamaicans don't seem to really believe in themselves, and so we will consistently choose foreign goods over local ones whether or not they are better. (The local ones are often as good if not better).  Add to that many of the population's adoption of colonial notions of contempt for the poor, (even among the poor themselves!) and we have a divided country that has no notion of pulling together.

We need inspired leadership and even that alone is not enough.  But without it, we won't be able to forge a direction. Yea we need agriculture and manufacturing and a police force that respects human life.  But I don't think we have the will to believe in the essence of being Jamaican, though there is nuff talent in the country (and unfortunately out of it too).

We will always survive because we are survivors, but I don't see us making full use of our main resources.  Ourselves.  Too much hankering after American values(?) and contempt for our own uniqueness.


Depressingly,

Hemsley
From: "clifford murphy" <clifford.murphy@canrem.com>
Subject: uwi usenet access?
Reply-To: "clifford murphy" <clifford.murphy@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:17:56 EST

Does anyone know whether U.W.I campuses have Usenet access??


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From: v117qh7z@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ivor G Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Jamaica gone to Perdition (The Solution)
Keywords: Who's to be Blame
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I have read all the articles across the board and it seems to me that
everybody knows how to point fingers and point out stuff, but nobody made any
significant suggestions on how to help make things a little better back home.
How about after we graduate from our respective schools, and we all have some
type of job in the near future. How about we save up our money (each individual
one us) and try and open up some business in JA.  What, you all afraid that
some bad boy will rob your store (come across those attitude in the past) then
how people do business in NYC then?  This approach in my opinion may be a
positive move towards helping the economic and creating jobs in future to help
ease the burdens of our aching society.  Since we all are going to basically
sooner or later be graduating with some fancy degree most likely I feel that
we might be in a position to contribute or help out by doing our part, which
is to go back home and set up business or some how try and help our love ones
back home to set up some little business of their own.  One thing I know is
that there are many Jamaicans aboard and if each one us on a larger scale was
to try do our part to help maybe things would be a little easier back home.
	In terms of discipline in JA maybe there need to be some strict moral
values enforce or encourage on kids back home by parents at home and by teachers
at schools.  Maybe there should be some strict censorship being enforce on the
type of music lyrics being use in some of these reagge by the govt.  This might
not be the absolute solutions to the problems of JA but I believe it is a step
in the right direction.
			Ivor Reid
			School of Engineering
			SUNY AT BUFFALO
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Storm in Jamaica
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:46:31 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan19.054822.10821@qualcomm.com>, gbrand@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Graham Brand) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.051249.11354@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>Called home.  apparently it was 5.1 or somewhere in that region.  I know the
>>Jamintel building which is builty to strict earthquake proof requirements had a
>>few  cracks.  Seems there was structural damage of limited proportions ,
>>shifting portions of buildings, cracks broken glass.
>>
>>I guess the tendency of Jamaicans to build with lots of steel and concrete
>>saved us from a lot more damage. 
>>
>>McBean
> 
> In addition, the UDC building, which was designed by their in-house
> engineers rather that private sector structural engineers who lobbied
> hard for a share of the work, was very badly damaged! Phyrrhic justice
> some might say.....

I disagree.  If UDC has in-house engineers who can't do the job then get
competent ones.  And it's our tax-dollars down the drain.. again!

> 
> -Graham Brand
From: ecurtis@orion.oac.uci.edu (Evans Curtis)
Subject: Re: Jamaica gone perdition
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:11:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.232358.9517@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> seivwright@evax0.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>I can't blame anyone for the disgust but it is sign of the time. I always
>believed you can determine the times by the state of the children. With
>high drop out rates, teenage pregnancy, higher crime rate, robbery and what
>not.

These are some strong and scary words but in all fairness, the guy has a 
point, and what's more, he could be right.

I come from a very isolated area of Nicaragua and upon returning in 1991, 
after being away for about 14 years, I noticed things that as a child was 
almost unheard of.  Specifically the things Roy alluded to above.  Dropouts
in school in nothing new, but the pregnancy rate was just too much.  

My father never carried a single key when I was growing up.  Now you'd better 
lock up the house when you're going to church.  There isn't much to steal 
since everybody is basically poor, yet there are robberies.  Not too 
many killings now but we had our share during the Sandinistas days since
lots of young men got their hands on AK47's.

Yes, people must eat, people must dress, and with no jobs to be found...?
I think our countries have to keep the young ones busy.  But what kind of
work can one do without an education?  And for those too old for school, 
can't afford it, or worse yet, don't WANT it?  It is sad.  These are major 
problems but MUST be addressed.  And the thing is, that even with an education 
you're not guaranteed a job -there ARE no jobs :( :(


Evans.-


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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Democracy Guyana's style: election 92
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:05:21 GMT

enough already, this is the 4th time you posted this stuff.
if you have links to guyana, maybe you should post more recent
news about how the new govt. is doing.


-- 
serdar boztas			serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au
	    '
sevdalarda olsun, ilkyaz olumlerinde olsun/ gecit vermeyen akarsu olmaz
gu"lu"n kendini islemek icin/ ciragi ya da ustasi yoktur  --hilmi yavuz
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 11:20:56 EST
From: <ACPS7182@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Antigua, West Indies
Distribution: na

  Dave:

  It's most unfortunate that you don't seem to be getting the info
  which you are seeking.

  If you need specific info on any other Caribbean island I could
  provide you with detail information on my homeland Barbados if
  you so desire.

  Goodluck,
  Alvin T. Collins
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From: redlel@rs6221.ecs.rpi.edu (Lorenz Wolfgang Redlefsen)
Subject: Re: Jam gone to Perdition - a reply
Reply-To: redlel@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensseltute Polylaer Institechnic
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:46:21 GMT


	In article <1993Jan22.140149.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu>, richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
writes:

>	People would rather buy Kelloggs cornflakes for
> over three times the cost of the local brand, and this is going to bring the
> country down.  We do not support our own companies that provide local
> employment and reduce foreign exchange outflow.  Damn, so what if local is notas good as
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> foreign....that is the price you pay in order to live a better
  ^^^^^^^


	Well, I don't know about you, but I for one prefer Grace Tomato Ketchup, for
example, over *ANYTHING* out there... and of course, Red Stripe...  :-)  A lot of
people think that "local" is not as good as the stuff "from foreign", but it's not
necessarily true for everything... 

	(On a slightly different note, Fujitsu/ICL is importing Sun SPARCstation LX's 
to Jamaica, at a price of ~ JA$ 100 K. One of those would be nice on the beach...  :-) )


	Lorenz
	redlel@rpi.edu

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From: fred@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Fred Wellington)
Subject: Re: Jamaica gone to perdition!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.195538.23003@athena.mit.edu> ghfoster@athena.mit.edu (Grace H Foster) writes:
>Hmmmm.....
I too spent three weeks in Jamaica over the Christmas holiday, I drove  
all over the Island, form Mandeville (my home town) to Kingston, Negril,
Ocho Rios, I did everthing from going to a curried goat feed in Chalky Hill, a beach
party in Negril, Domino game Porus, stopping at all the bars on the way,
and I saw no evidence of what this guy is talking about. Like any other
city (Chicago, New York, Detroit, Miami etc) there are problems in Jamaica,
but in my judgement, only a confused person would make those insane
statements.
I suggest that Richard look at some tv shows like Cops, America Most Wanted.

>
>I am concerned that as such an observant person, you would not also see the good
>aspects of the Jamaican culture/lifestyle.
>
>I too was in Jamaica this Christmas.  I stayed a month on a two week ticket,
>dreading the day I had to come back to the States.  If not Jamaica, where would
>you want to live?  Are you suggesting that the quality of life is better here
>than in Jamaica?

Jamaica has her problems, but I will continue to hold her hands after being
away for 26 years.

>
>I do believe that a lot of what you observed in Jamaica, is a direct result of
>economic "impoverishment" and a decline in the moral values.  The latter prevails
>in this culture and consequentially we see things such as:
>	senseless murders
>	chronic drug problems
>	amazing high school drop out rates
>	etc....
> 
Amen...
  same way here in Chicago

>I am aware that Jamaica is not what it used to be when I was a child (that really
>bothers me).  But I do not believe that this societal decline is something which
>is mutually exclusive to Jamaica.  
>
>We cannot run from these happenings, we can only try and do our part.  This might
>sound a bit simplistic, but I believe that we can help by imparting proper values
>to our offsprings, etc.  This generation has already set its course, we need only
>be concerned with the next......



>So Richard, no hard feelings, but this is my views ............ each man to his
>own...


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