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From: jrm@stegosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (John R. Mudd)
Subject: Re: Cycle Oregon (so who will be there?)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer & Information Science
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:35:15 GMT

Totally unrelated to Cycle Oregon.  I guess I'll have to do that next year.

I'll be moving to the Portland area in a few short weeks, and I'm soliciting
recommendations on bike shops (I need to buy another bike soon anyway).  I've
seen enough folks psot here from that area that I'll just ask for everybody's
advice.  Please don't post; I'll send a summary to whoever asks for it.

Also, if anybody wants to give me advice on neighborhoods to live in the 
Portland area, I would greatly appreciate it.

... John

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: Re: MTB news group
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.042845.10232@sol.UVic.CA> jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panus
a) writes:
>I am all for a mtb group...but PLEASE do NOT make
>it alt.mtb!  This university (and others in
>Canada) has blocked access to ALL alt. groups
>because some bigwig's wife found alt.sex and
>alt.perverts.r.us and told hubby that students
>shouldn't have access to this moral decay (seriously!)

Well, I think Kindercare Playskool day care centers now have a netfeed.  :)

>In any case, many people would appreciate it if
>a rec.mtb group could be created rather than an
>alt.mtb., if it happens at all.

I agree.  I dont understand why there would be an alt.mtb and not rec.mtb.
This is my first post on this issue, and I agree with the statement I heard
earlier about how every day we have to go through a lot of road-related
articles to find mtb related topics.

I am for a rec.bicycles.mtb newgroup.  Maybe even a .road and .mtb split.

JT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Car inspections..
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:18:07 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes

> Richard, this all would be nice if most accidents were
> caused by mechanical failure or lack of insurance. But
> that simply isn't the case.

> I might add that it was my understanding that Great
> Britain had one of the very highest bicycle accident
> records in the entire world.

Maybe the inspections help increase the accident rate,
by having even the bad drivers be in a reasonably safe
looking car.  I know *I* watch out for the idiots in the
rusted through clunkers more :-) :-)

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: What cold weather bike shoe?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Aug 1992 10:57 EST  

In article <1992Aug13.144949.16618@ncs.com>, dick@ncs.com writes...
>I have been keeping my eyes open for a good cold weather
>bike shoe, but I haven't seen one yet.  Does anyone out
>in NetWorld know of one?
> 
>I need something to keep my feet warm when riding in the
>winter.  Around here (Minnesota) we don't get much snow,
>but it does gets cold in the winter.
> 
>For the last few years, I have used booties, but they are
>only good to maybe 15 degrees F.  I need something warmer.
>I've tried two pairs of booties and/or several layers of 
>socks(including polypro), but that only cuts off circulation 
>and makes my feet colder. 
> 
>I've heard that a lot of the heat loss is conducted through
>the base of the shoe and out the cleat into the metal in 
>the pedals.  
> 
>Is there a decent winter shoe?
> 


    Perhaps there is a better way to combine shoes and booties? I have only
tried this with clipless pedals, it may be worthless with clips/straps.
I dont cut a hole in the bootie to allow the cleat to come thru (do you?).
Instead, try mounting the cleat right thru the bootie material. Just punch
some small holes in the rubber, enough to get the cleat bolts thru. It cuts
down on the invasion of the outside cold, is much more waterproof and the
boots last longer. Choose a pair of shoes about 1/2 size bigger than normal
to allow room for extra socks. For extra-brutal consitions, I sometimes
use the neoprene rubber socks. I have done mountain biking thru the snow
for up to 2 hours in 20 deg weather with these socks on, and no cold feet.
They do get very wet inside from sweat. 


                      Good Luck!


                              Dave H.
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Keywords: presta to schraeder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:27:06 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: SFBAC

The other solution to this problem is to convert both bikes to
Schraeder valves.  Here are the advantages of doing this in the
United States:

1. Specialized Schraeder inner tubes are $1.00 cheaper than Presta.

2. While Presta works fine at home with a floor pump, on the road
   Schraeder valves are more convenient both to fill at a gas station
   or to fill with a on-the-bike pump.

3. Presta valves are far more fragile.  Under duress (tired at the 
   end of a long ride, raining etc.) the potential of breaking the
   stem on the road when filling could be very inconvenient if you
   were down to your last tube.

4. Schraeder replacement tubes are available on the road in any town
   large enough to have a drug or grocery store.  Presta generally are
   less available, though any bike shop would have them.

5. Presta protective caps are lost due to vibration far more easily.

6. Schraeder valve leak detection requires only saliva, which is 
   far more convenient on the road than the cup of water Presta 
   valves require.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Subject: Re: Drillium
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:20:54 GMT

Kurt Brunton writes:
> I have some old components sitting around and the thought occurred to me
> of drilling these out to make some light weight parts.  Is there anyone
> who knows of the best way to drill components

How To Drill Out Bike Parts:

Remove the parts from the bike (if presently in use).
Put a large bit in the drill (the larger the better).  Turn the drill on
and wave it back and forth over the parts to be lightened (be sure not
to let the drill touch the parts themselves).

Clean and reinstall the parts and go for a ride, carrying half as much water
as usual.  Do a few sprints and enjoy the sensation of a newly revitalized
bike.


If drilling holes in bike parts was a smart idea, I think the manufacturer
would have done it for you.  If you've got enough unused parts sitting
around, build up a beater bike and go for a ride on fire roads or in the
rain.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wfp@Turing.ORG (William F. Pemberton)
Subject: Performance Focus
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:43:16 GMT


Does anyone have any experience with the Performance Focus?  I've been looking
for a good Ultegra STI bike and the Focus is a mighty good price!  It does
look to be a bit heavy.

The bike that I had pretty much decided on was the Vitus 992, but the Focus
would save around $600.

So, any comments?  I am interested in comments about THE BIKE.  I don't want
to start a long discussion on mail order companies.

Thanks,
Bill
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re:Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article AA25778@hplomg.hpl.hp.com, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM () writes:
>Tom Kunich writes:
>
>> How about because they are twice as powerful, need only a finger to
>> actuate and are much easier to adjust?
>>
>> Hey, if you prefer cantilevers, fine. But those dual pivots are the
>> finest brakes I've used by a large margin.
>
>How about not jumping to conclusions.  All brake calipers and cantilevers,
>etc have the same mechanical advantage as they must since they are not
>operated by an arbitrary power source.  Without power assist, all brakes
>have the same constraints of finger stroke to pad movement.  In this
>respect, hand levers have a ratio of 4:1 and "calipers" 1:1.
>Of course,
>this is an average because the Delta brake, for instance, has a non
>linear ratio as do others like certain cantilevers.  However, the median
>ratio is 1:1.
>

It seems to me that a cam in the brake lever (such as Shimano "Servo-Wave") would
change this significantly. Also, it seems that differing arm length of the caliper
or cantilever would affect this advantage.

[rest deleted]
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: thoughts on cadence & gearing...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:09 EST  

In article <9208112155.AA04498@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes...
> 
>I've heard of laying chickens and I recall using a slide rule but what
>does a 10" Post lay?  ...and does it cluck when it's done?

Apologies for the non-cycling content, but this reminds me of the
doggerel from "A Space Child's Mother Goose":


        Probable-Possible, my black hen
        Lays her eggs in the Relative When.
        She doesn't lay eggs in the Positive Now
        Because she's unable to postulate how. 



Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Camelback H2O holders
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:14:06 -0500

 On 08-12-92 Catherine Anne Foulston wrote to All... 
 
 CA> I got that impression from the ad too.  Has anyone seen one in color 
 CA> yet? 
 
 I have a first series Camelback in blue and a fairly recent on in black. 
 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.36 * Comes the Revolution, we'll all eat peaches and cream 

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:24:10 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <86075@netnews.upenn.edu>, slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe) writes:
|> Well, yesterday I noticed that they were repaving the LOOONNNGG hill
|> coming into work.  I've always been tempted to try some speed, but
|> the horrible potholes and bumps kept me at a agonizingly slow speed.  
|> Gleaning what I can from the hints being posted under "Descending hills,"
|> it looks like I'm going to have some fun tomorrow morning!
|> 
I would suggest waiting until after it rains (and dries of course) before
you try to set a land speed record.  New pavement is very oily and very
slick (especially the painted lines).

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
From: ddozier@daled.net.com (Dale Dozier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Crank Arm Length
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:55:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies



  What length crank arms should I be using. I'm 5'8'' with a
30' inseam and most of my riding is back and forth to work and
biathlons. I heard that if you do TT's that a little longer
crank arms are an advantage, is this true? If anyone has any
idea at all I would appreciate your input. I'm about to upgrade
the components on  my bike. I currently use 170mm on my
road bike and am considering 172.5mm or 175mm.

Thanks
-Dale
From: DEBbliss@lbl.gov (David E. Bliss)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Date: 13 Aug 1992 05:46:34 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.160.71

In article <1992Aug12.152939.13702@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> 
jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
> ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:
> 
> >Here are the data that more than 50 cyclists sent me.  Given below are 
age
> >(sorted), minimum rate, and maximum rate. It's well known that 
variation in
> >rates from person to person is high, but the survey satisfied my 
curiosity. 
> >Judging from the responses, I think it will satisfy others too.
> 
> >Thanks to all who took the time to send a reply.
> 
> ...
> These numbers are very encouraging! Definitely doesn't follow the
> 220-(age in years) formula for max rate. Perhaps I don't have to
> assume that my aerobic capacity will decline at about 1 bpm/year!

I plotted out the results of the survey and made a linear fit to them and 
it is surprisingly close to the 220 - age rule of thumb.  The actual 
numbers I got were  max. H.R. = 213 - .75(age). The maximum deviations 
from the rule of thumb were +25 and -27 bpm. with a standard deviation of 
around 11 bpm.  What I notice is that it's the old farts who really throw 
off the curve, not the young studs.  The slope is less than one do to a 
couple of old geezers pushing 60 whose hearts don't seem to want to slow 
down.  To me this indicates that the older people who cycle and are 
interested enough to respond to the post have hearts which can turn over 
faster than their more sedentary peers.  The younger crowd doesn't seem to 
gain such an improvement in max. heart rate over their peers.  It takes 
time for cycling to differentiate Max. heart rate in the population.  This 
is only my brief analysis and I don't do statistical analysis for a living 
so any more comments are quite welcome.  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ "just a little bit harder, |   "The Wheel"   +
+  just a little bit more,   |                 +
+  just a little bit further |   Jerry Garcia  +
+  than you've gone before." |                 +  
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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 Cal Cycling, UC Berkeley    fax: (510) 486-5530    

   
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From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cold weather cycling
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:38:52 GMT

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To: hamid@engrg.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: What cold weather bike shoe?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Cc: 

In article <1992Aug14.192224.24219@julian.uwo.ca> you write:
>
>Gore-tex, thinsulate socks are available for around $40.
>They will keep your feet warm and dry.


I'm not familiar with them.  Are they thick enough to require a larger
than average shoe size?  Also, to what temperatures will these guys keep
the feet warm?


      
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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Running as crosstraining for cycling
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:55:09 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug13.135321.8699@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> How useful is running as part of a training program for cycling?
> Running seems like a good way to improve cardiovascular fitness,
> but what are the disadvantages?
>   
> I run out of energy while running much quicker than when cycling, 
> so running seems like it could be a good substitute for a long 
> bike ride on days when I don't have a lot of time.  I'm just
> wondering whether running is worth my time, if my only goal is
> to improve my cycling performence.
> 
> Brian Case

	I actually got into cycling through running,  when I decided
Duathlons/Biathlons seemed like fun.  I swear my endurance was helped through
long runs,  and it was a good way of building up some muscle,  especially the
hamstrings.  Also,  if you don't have an indoor trainer,  running can be done
pretty much 24 hours a day,  regardless of weather,  and with a walkman.  A
great change,  mentally and physically.  Hill climbing or stair climbing also
gives the legs a good work out without much strain on the joints.
	If you do things sensibly and have a good pair of shoes I actually
can't think of any disadvantages in running.  On the other hand,  when I don't
have much time for a long ride,  I do intervals instead (I'm not being a
hypocrite,  but good shoes like Nike Huraches are close to NZ$300,  and my old
pair are stuffed,  so my only choice is to cycle).

	Jonathan Dodd
	University of Waikato

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Leather vs Non-leather cycling gloves
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:44:05 GMT

Well the sample size is small but after having gone thru > 1 set of gloves
/ year I started to wonder if there was anything else.
  Along came Nashbar and their Amara palm.  After 6,000 km they show some
slight wear but are still going strong.  Heck,  I might get > 2 years out
of these gloves.
  I just found my leather gloves from last year and started to use them for
my daily commute.  Although the leather was still soft they are now cracked
appart in a multitude of places (about 4,000 km of use).  In other years
the gloves hardened and none of the leather cream I had would soften them.
  So if you are tired of replacing your gloves every few months then try a
set of the synthetic ones (yes I know some of you get exceptional life out
of leather but I don't know how).
  - Eric
Motorola Teams bikes:  Steel aprox 22lb.  "We don't don't really have
anything light. .. the mechanics are seeing that the other teams that have
very light weight bikes aren't having mechanical failures." Andy Hampsten
  - Yep these guys are at least 5 years behind the times
From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results ToB
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:51:20 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Organization: Vision Laboratory, Queen Mary & Westfield College.

"Tour of Britain" Stage 4 Lincoln to Coventry,    114.2 miles.

Started: Aug 13th, 11.10 a.m.

Information gleaned without permission, but gratefully acknowledged,
from Channel 4 television, "Cycling Weekly" and the "Independent"
This stage was raced in near constant, heavy, rain.
Remo Rossi (Carrera) made a break about 45 miles from the finish and kept the
lead until beaten by David mann on the finishing circuit.
Sean Yates had a minor fall, whereas Harald Maier came off and made a
spectacular mess of an eye but kept riding.  I left my notes at home,
and can't recall who is now King of the Mountains, but they've got
some strenuous climbs tomorrow!


Stage    Time          Name                    Nationality, Team
Position    

 1.       5:11:49      A. Tieteriouk            Somewhere in CIS, Carrera
 2.            do.     Martin Early                 Irish, Carrera
 3.            do.     David Mann              GB Leeds 92
 4.            +1      F Baldato               Italian, GB MG
 5.            +2     Djamolidine Abdoujaparov Uzbek, Carrera
 6.            do.     Andri van der Poel      Dutch, Tulip + Koga Miyata
 7.            do      Maximilian Sciandri     Italian, Motorola
 ..
15.            +7.     Phil Anderson           Australian, Motorola
20.            do.     Sean Yates              UK, Motorola
53.            do.     Robert Millar           UK (Scot.), TVM



Overall   Overall
Position  Time 

 1.       17:28:27     Maximilian Sciandri
 2.            +11     Andri van der Poel
 3.            +14     Jos van Aert
 4.            +16     Hendrik Redant
 5.            +18     Johan Museeuw
 6.            +20     Martin Early
 ..
 9.            +28     Phil Anderson
19.            +33     Sean Yates
22.             do.    Robert Millar

Still to come:
Stage 5 Aug 14th, 10.15 a.m.   Nottingham to Leeds,    118.8 miles.

-- 
--- "Ride Bike: One less car!             (Pity it's not a Volvo :-(" ---

          Jan Wysocki                 |  Computer Science Department,
                                      |  Queen Mary and Westfield College,
 email:    jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk          |  Mile End Road,
'phone:   +44 (0)71 975 5230          |  London.  E1 4NS
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Super bike:un-super wheels
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:06:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug12.145111.10225@news2.cis.umn.edu> Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu> writes:
>I think I have to contest!!  I've had way too much experience with
>Vantage's and it's all bad.  Nothing irks me more than seeing cracks
>around spoke holes on a month old rim!!!  Wait I guess pulling a spoke

I used Ritchey Vantage rims and Fisher Fattrax 2.2's at 12 psi
for two years without any problems whatsoever. And I rode a couple
thousand miles a year over hard terrain, including the trails
around Crested Butte, Colorado and the Slick Rock Trail in Utah.

And I weight 195 naked.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:29:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <5753@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>
>Just as people have said that max HR is not an indicator of aerobic
>capacity, neither is min HR, although it does come down eventually
>with more training.

When I started riding I had been a very small scale jogger. I jogged
about 10 miles a week on three occassions.

After I started riding I also started testing my rest heart rate and
blood pressure. In the last 4 years neither has changed a wit.

My rest heart rate is still about 65 and blood pressure is right
smack dab in the middle of the range.

I fell much better though.