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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:07:42 GMT
Keywords: n


>For the regular readers of this newsgroup, some of you might remember
>a couple a artilcles written intiled crap football, well it's back after
>a long absence.

Hey, Hamish, maybe you should take some steriods to help your SPELLING!!!!

>American footballers are nothing but a bunch of pumped up junkies.To call
>it a sport is an injustice to all proper sports.It seems to me more of
>a competition to see who can take the most steroids without killing 
>themselves, or getting caught.Well actually the chance of getting caught
>is remote as the teams and the N.F.L seem to condone the the use of these
>drugs, and are doing little to stop it.
>What's the punishment for being the best college footballer and getting
>caught using drugs? You get a mult-million dollar contract for one of
>the best teams in the country.Call me stupid, but it's hardly
>a deterent.
>It's time drugs abuse was stoped in football.Then again if
>they did that there would'nt be any decent players left.Without drugs
>your guys would'nt even get a game for a school rugby team over here.
>American Football is a sport? for wimps, and poofs without the commitment
>to make it without drugs.
>So chew on that you self-serving, arogant illigitimates.
>
>Real men play soccer

I guess we should play soccer here in America....I hear it is more
violent in the stands at soccer games than on the field. I guess that
is what happens when doped up, drunk, and BORED spectators do for
entertainment at soccer games!!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
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				call, an implied date on Saturday, and
gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com	Tampax in your apartment.  Looks to me
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:03:59 GMT

[stuff deleted]

>Reportedly, Art Rooney was behind this clause.  How is the financial situation
>of the Steelers?  Sounds like a great way for Rooney to justify not picking up 
>a star player on the free agent market.
>
>On another front, Reggie White said he'd consider going to the Niners, Cowboys,
>and Redskins in turn.  Well, the Niners and Cowboys aren't available to him now,
>and unless he's willing to go to Washington for 1.5mil, looks like he's screwed.

Folks, remember that this is ONLY for the first year.  Next year, this
rule does not exist.  I think that the reason Rooney put it in place
was that he didn't want the Cowboys, 9'ers, and Skins - 3 very strong
teams as things stand right now - to sign a ton of the quality free
agents in the off season.  Remember, White, Joyner, et al cannot be
protected by their current team (either by franchise player or
right-of-first-refusal rules).  This is also a one shot deal.  I think
it was just Rooney's way of trying to balance out the system for this
one year.  Note also, Rooney's team had a chance to make it to the AFC
Championship game, so he was taking a chance by doing this.  As it is,
he can only sign one free agent, and will most likely lose Woodson in
the off season (another player in the White category - see above).  I
think that part of the problem was all of the talk by players that
they wanted to play for Dallas or the 49'ers.  

Note also that I'm a Dallas fan, although I'm kind of glad that we
cannot sign White (I think his presence would screw things up - the
same way Jackson's did in Miami).

Oh well - blah blah blah ...


Mark
Go Dallas
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Woody was fired! (Was: Re: Musburger, another ass)
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:43:31 GMT

In article <9JAN199320011877@pierre.mit.edu> kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.171558.23297@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
>stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. St writes...
>>     Gary, what do you expect of someone who jumped ship in a perfect
>>position at another network to start at the start with another network,
>>calling little league world series games and other such second rate
>>sports, all the while attempting to make it seem as though the fate of
>>the free world rests upon whether or not little Billy can knock the cover
>>off of a fastball thrown by a twenty year old.
>
>>Kevin L. Stamber
>>Purdue University
>> 
>>COWHER POWER!
>> 
>Although I have not agreed with what my fellow Northwestern alumnus Brent Woody 
>Musburger says often (Yes, his middle name is Woody!), but I think that I 
>should at least set the facts straight. He didn't jump ship at CBS in 1990 to 
>go to ABC, but was instead fired by CBS on April 1st, the afternoon before the 
>NCAA Finals in Men's Basketball where he did play-by-play. In fact, the AP sat 
>on the story for two hours fearing an April Fools' Day prank.

This is incorrect.  Musburger's contract was -not renewed- because his
agent (also his brother) rejected CBS' lucrative contract offer,
basically saying "offer us more, or he's going to quit."  CBS said to
hell with that, and told Brent to find employment elsewhere.  Brent
admitted later that his brother screwed up.  Amazing that at one point
in time, he was on top of the sport's broadcasting world.  Now, he's
been reduced to next-to-nothing.  However, please don't waste any
energy defending him - it was his own fault.

Mark
Go Dallas
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Going out for breakfast, boring game!
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:55:53 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

John G. "entertains" us with:
>YAWN! This Eagles-Dallas game is getting boring.
>I'm hungry and I am going out for some pancakes
>and eggs. I will be back for the Chargers-Dolphins
>game.  Candlestick will be awating Aikman and crew
>next week! :-) :-)  The Niners will also be hungry,
>BURP! Ahhhhhhh! :-)

Jesus H. Christ.  Seeing as the Niners and the Cowboys will be playing
in the *real* Super Bowl next week, I thought I'd be magnanimous and
let John out of my kill file for the duration; after all, even he might
come up with something of worth.

I won't make that mistake again.

Daniel Welch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana's future
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:45:31 GMT

In article <nd4av2v@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>I think montana will most likely end up in Minnesota because of 
>Dennis Green and his 49er ties.  Too bad plan b isn't in effect, or
>he'd be easy pickens for them.
>
>Tim.

I doubt it; he will most likely end up in KC; seifert is a friend of the GM
there, carl peterson; also, seifert's ex-niner colleague, lynn stiles has a
front office position there; it would be extremely stupid for kc to pass up on
montana; with joe, they could open up their offense and would be a strong 
favorite to win the AFC while joe is around; from what i know, kc tried to
get beurlien (sp?) last year; but, joe is obviously a better fix
finally, the niners don't want to play against joe next year because of the
public-relations angle and since joe knows their systems in and out; so, an afc
team would be preferable to the niners

	sanjeev
From: kla!earl@sun.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hail To The Redskins Song
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:37:12 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: KLA Instruments Corp
Originator: earl@psycho

Does anybody know the words to the Hail To the Redskins song.
If you do send me they lyrics via email.

Thanks
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From: rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN)
Subject: Re: Matchups
Originator: rdarnese@c00497-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: BILLS PREVAIL: LET'S GO CHARGERS!! :)
Reply-To: rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:51:39 GMT




   Well, the little fishies from Miami thought that sliding into the AFC
 East title was their ticket to the Super Bowl. All I can say is, San Diego,
 end this charade. Put the Dolphins away, so the Bills will have a nice
 sandlot football game in Jack Murphy. The Bills want to play class, not
 chumps for the AFC title!!! :)

 1964 AFL title- Buffalo 20, San Diego 7
 1965 AFL title- Buffalo 20, San Diego 0


 Let the streak continue!!! :) This time, AFL=AFC!!!! :)
From: gail@chem.ucsd.edu (Gail McNabb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hail To The Redskins Song
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:37:15 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

In article <C0K0CG.M83@news.cso.uiuc.edu> xx10645@cehp15 (Xiaocun Xu) writes:
>danforth@trinity.llnl.gov (Bill A. Danforth) writes:
>
>>Hello all,
>
>>A while back, I posted a request for the lyrics to Hail to the Redskins.  I
>>managed to get two responses (thanks to Brian Hunt[hunt@ipst.umd.edu] and
>>Ro Utley[rutley1@cc.swarthmore.edu]), and the lyrics are:
>
>>Hail to the Redskins
>>Hail victory
>"Hail to victory", I think.
>
>>Braves on the warpath
>>Fight for all D.C.
>I just wondering here, was it suppose to be "fight for old D.C."
>
>>Run and pass and score
>>We want a lot more
>>Beat 'em , swamp 'em , rush 'em 
>>Let the points soar
>>Fight on, fight on
>>Til you have won
>>Sons of Wash-ing-ton!
>>rah! rah! rah!
>
>>chorus
>
>
>>I am posting these, as a result of kla!earl@sun.com's request for the lyrics,
>>and I have a sneaky feeling that other people will be asking soon.
>
>>Go 'Skins
>>Bill Danforth
>>danforth2@llnl.gov

Yes, the line should read "Fight for old D.C."

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: What the Saints need:  A better offensive line?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:58:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.063740.23312@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.054400.21453@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>Even if Mora call the right calls, ultimately, the execution depends
>>on the QB and Hebert has clearly shown he is NOT capable of coming
>>through in big time games. Time to get rid of Hebert and probably
>>Mora as well IMHO.
>
> [ text deleted ]

>The real issue for the Saints is whether their ownership/management is
>willing to invest the time and money in their football organization
>in order to have the ability to outguess and outhustle the other NFL
>franchises so that they can build a powerhouse offensive line.
>Firing the coach Mora and replacing the quarterback Hebert would not seem 
>to be the answer.
>
>
Actually, you and I are really in agreement, Re: if the Saints 
ownership/management is serious, they will invest in their organization. 
Part of this investment, IMHO, is to divest themselves of Mora and Hebert.
A new head Coach and new QB just might be the answer, who knows, but
it deserves consideration. Hmmmmm, Bill Walsh and Joe Montana....,
oh well.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: anjaneya@m20_anjaneya.mti.sgi.com (Anjaneya Thakar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF Bashing
Keywords: SF, Philadelphia, Dallas ...
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: anjaneya@m20_anjaneya.mti.sgi.com (Anjaneya Thakar)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: m20_anjaneya.mti.sgi.com



>skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) .... writes

>Candlestick IS NOT a good place tp play, a stupid city that builds a 
>stadium three feet below sea level .... a lot of bull shit deleted
> >
Here is a guy with real class!!! He picks on the quality of the stadium
to show why 49ers are not a good team ... go figure!!!! They won 4 Super
Bowls which were NOT played at the Candlestick.

I have seen a lot of mud and snow fly during games at Denver, Green Bay,
last weekend at San Diego, Washington, Miami etc. etc. Football was never
intended to be played under a roof on a carpet.  Tim would rather see 
football played in his living room with Momma providing "tea" during 
timeouts!!!!


>I put this guy up for
>JERK OF THE YEAR !!!!!
>tim

I accept...if the nomination comes from this guy it must really mean something
since he ready to give up his crown!

-anjaneya

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: stavish@purch.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Predictions.
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:12:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.055334.9804@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>In article <C0pyE7.DGH@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>>I agree that it would be better to see the Bills represent the
>>AFC in the Super-Bowl.  
>>
>>I would rather see the Bills playing the 9ers in the SB rather
>>than see Marino and his Dolphs make a fool of themselves in
>>front of a global audience (The SB is viewed in many countries
>>I guess).
>>
>>S.H
>
>Come on, give the FISH a break and let them make fools of
>themselves THIS YEAR. The BILLS have already been to the
>dance TWICE and they did a pretty job of looking like fools.:^)
>
>-- 
>"A cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man,
>and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
>vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
>vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher

FOOLS? Who in the AFC had any chance of beating the Redskins last year?
NO ONE!!! If I remember correctly the Bills FIRST appearance in the 
Superbowl was called by some "The Best Superbowl Ever".  Hardly
a performance by fools.  NO ONE has a chance in hell of beating SF or
Dallas but Buffalo....  They are the only chance at an AFC Superbowl
Winner and have been the last 5 years!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:58:38 GMT

In article <1iuu40INNoov@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.170359.21739@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>>[stuff deleted]
>
> >Note also that I'm a Dallas fan, although I'm kind of glad that we
> >cannot sign White (I think his presence would screw things up - the
> >same way Jackson's did in Miami).
>
>True but remember Steve Beuerline will be leaving and most likely 
>will sign in the 2Mil range which means dallas CAN sign a player
>for that ammount of cash......I agree I don't want Reggie or
>any other Eagles for that matter.....nothing but trouble....


OK - someone needs to verify this, but I was under the impression that
they could only sign a player at the same position as a free agent who
left (and for the amount of money that the free agent's leaving freed
up).


Mark
Go Dallas
From: cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 1976 Oakland Raiders
Keywords: Help with roster
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:43:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Hi

	I recently purchased a football game for the
Sega Genesis system called John Madden Football '93.
I bought the system just for this game. One of the teams
on this cart is the Oakland Raider team from 1976. 

	Since this game is not licensed with the NFL, the team is
called "Oakland '76" and players are referred to by their uniform number.
I was 14 years old in 1976 and I don't remember all of the players'
name/numbers. Can someone please help fill out the rest?

	Is there a place where I can get the rosters of the Raider
teams from 1967, 1980 (the year they beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl)
and 1983 (the year they beat the 'Skins in the Super Bowl).

	Please respond by E-Mail ONLY!! As much as I love football, I don't
have the time to read this newsgroup...

						Charlie


POS	NUM	Name

QB	12	Stabler
QB	15	???

HB	28	Clarence Davis
FB	30	Mark Van Eeghan
RB	40	Pete Banasak(sp?)

WR	21	Cliff Branch
WR	25	Biletnikoff
WR	49	Mike Siani
WR	81	???
TE	87	Casper
TE	46	Christenson

LT	78	Art Shell
LG	63	Gene Upshaw
 C	50	Dave Dalby
RG	64	???
RT	75	{John Vella??}

LE	72	John Matusak
NT	74	Dave Rowe
RE	60	Otis Sistrunk

LOLB	41	Villapiano
LILB	39	Willie Hall
RILB	58	Monte Johnson
ROLB	83	Hendricks

SS	43	George Atkinson
FS	32	Tatum
CB	24	Willie Brown
CB	26	Skip Thomas

??	52	{Bob Nelson?}
DB	20	??
DB	47	??

 K	14	Errol Mann
 P	 8	Ray Guy

KR	30	???
PR	20	???
From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills comments
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:41:44 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I was thinking about next year's draft and where the Bills will go but I 
can't seem to find a weak spot on the team:

QB:
Kelly + Reich = best 1-2 QB tandem in league.  No questions asked.

RB:
Thomas is the best overall back in the league.  Kenneth Davis still continues
to amaze me.  He WOULD start on about 25 other teams in the NFL!  (Do I see
a pattern developing here?)

Offensive Line:
Best line in NFL but very underrated.  With the exception Glenn Parker, every
man has received some form of accolade in the last year (i.e. pro bowl, all
pro, SI all pro team).  And Parker was playing for the ##`y injured John Davis who will f:%| back next year!!!

WR:
Beebe's coming out year.  Would have like to see Lofton more.  Andre Reed's
2nd half was probably not his fault but something needed to be done.
This year Beebe learned to not drop passes but Reed seemed to have a looser
grip on the ball. He probably just forgot what a football felt like.
The Bills could look to draft here next year.

Defensive Line:
They surprised many by leading the league in rushing defense (3.3 yds/carry).
Smith was back to his usual all pro level but the other two guys 

Imran Qureshi
From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions?????
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:36:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher) writes:

>Were you watching the Eagles/N.O. game yesterday?  I doubt that the Hole-in-the
..
>'t affected by it yesterday.  They fell behind to a decent team in a hostile en
...
>I've been to the last three Iggles games at Texas stadium and personally I don't think Dallas fans have had any impact on any of the games (two of which the Birds won.)  

Dallas is more than a "decent" team, the Saints offense isn't even comparable to
Dallas'.  The crowd was a factor in the original Washington Monday night game
and there should have more hype than that one.  The second Eagles game this
year, WHICH WE WON don't forget, was no where near the intensity that will
be played by all THREE (Boys, Eagles, and fans) teams.


>p.s. Aren't you at least a little surprised that the opening line on the game is 6-7 points? 

Not as surprised as Philly fans who think Dallas fans are somehow quivering
at the thought of facing the mighty Eagles.  Now don't get me wrong, I would
rather have played the Vikings and even the Saints.  The Eagles definitely
have a good team, but there offense isn't as good, especially consistent,
as the Dallas offense.  It should be a good game, but I think Dallas has
the advantage: offensive, coaching, special teams and homefield..  These should
be enough to overcome the defensive advantage of the Eagles.  

So far, most of the playoff games have been blowouts at one time or another.  
I just think the chances are better that Dallas will blowout Philly than 
otherwise.

				-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Chargers Lose
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:40:31 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I was kinda sad to see the Chargers make an exit, I kinda rooted
for them.  I beleive that if the game had been played at jack
Murphy, the Chargers would have ground out the fish with their
running game.  The Dolphs are fortunate that the rain Gods helped
to neutralize the Charger running game.  But good things end soon I guess :-)

Anyway, the Bills/Dolphs should be a gra game and so also the
Boys/9ers.  But the 9ers will easily dispose off the Boys.

Twin dissappointment today: Eagles and Chargers lose.

NExt time Charger fans.
The Vikes will meet u in Super Bowl 28.

S.H

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Cowboys Victory Comments
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:11:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.225121.4420@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:
>To 9ers fans:  see ya next week!  It should be a good one.
>
The Niners ain't no stanking Eagles! :-) The Niners will make
MINCE MEAT out of the Cowboys! Young will recoup and tear you up! :^)
GO Young, Watters, Rathman, Rice, Taylor, Jones....GO NINERS!!!!!
>FRANK
>
Prediction:  Niners 37  Cowboys 17
      OR
Niners 31  Cowboys 35

Take your pick! :^)

GOOOO NINERS!!!!

John Gloria
jpglori@pacbell.com
jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 14:28:07 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: HA,HA,HA, SF Grounds Crew!

Management at Candlestick Park brought in this week George Toma, the Kansas
Chiefs expert grounds keeper for 25 years.  I read in the San Jose Mercury
sports section that they are going tear out all of the field and lay new sod
through out the whole playing field, only it's raining like cats and dogs
down here!  Washington might as well come back and roll around in the mud!
Good luck George... by the way, the 49ers may have the edge, because Toma
was the grounds keeper in the 1981 championship game against Dallas!

                                                -tom