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From: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:38:11 GMT
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Reply-To: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
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gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:

>I've skied at both Batchelor and Big Sky and it really isn't such a big deal.
>It's just another way of checking tickets.  It's a pain at first to use the
>card readers, but you'll get used to it after a few runs.  At least it might
>help keep away the people who don't pay.

>As for the point value tickets, I can't see that making any difference for
>someone planning to take more than a few runs a day.  A day ticket is still
>a day ticket.

I (for one) am looking forward to some alternative pricing at the ski areas.
A couple of years back we spent a weekend at Stowe, VT.  Got to the mountain
at 8:30 Saturday morning to find only a dozen trails open, poor conditions
(rapidly deteriorating into horrible), and 8 zillion skiers on those 12 runs.
While I would have loved to have gotten in a couple of runs on Sunday, I
couldn't face spending $38 to endure those conditions again.  With the
Smart Ticket, I could have spent ~$20 for a couple of quick runs while
things were still tolerable.  It would have been a win-win situation for
both me and the resort.

Hope to see more of it ...

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:45:53 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

BTW, you don't have to post the entire article for attribution sake
including my inanely long signature. ;^)

In article <1992Oct05.201709.26307@watson.ibm.com> dwl@watson.ibm.com  writes:
>There's also a huge variation in the wetness of man made now. I saw an
>interesting video by Killington, describing the 3 day process that went
>from dry grass and rocks to skiiable trail.
>heavy solid base at the bottom.

Basically to try and duplicate a real snow pack.  A good description.
You can't build on a weak base layer.  It just won't hold.
Works because you don't want to fight gravity.  The best storms start out
heavy and wet and trend to cold and dry.  Worse: dry and cold to warm and wet.
The key is patience.  I know they are experimenting with various
chemicals to help the process like polyethene oxide.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
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			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: phillipb@mentorg.com (Phil Bride)
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
Summary: 
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 23:59:48 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

>symposium at Denver's Hyatt Regency Downtown yesterday.  Ski industry will
>"move agressively to more innovative pricing."
>
Mt. Bachelor in Oregon has moved to "innovative pricing." Last year 
they started a new ticketing program based on purchasing points. You 
can buy a 200 point ticket for $33 (last year's price) and each quad 
run you take takes off 20 points. That my friends, means you are now 
paying $3.30 per run. The good news is that you can use the tickets 
for a couple of years good anytime. You can still buy standard all 
day, as-many-runs-as-you-like tickets at about the same price but 
they are good for only one day.

Bachelor has done away, for the most part, with ticket checkers 
in the lift lines. It uses a cattle gate system, (sounds more like 
my vision east coast skiing). You are corralled into a turnstile gate 
where you have to plug your ticket into a machine to have your points 
deducted. Then you can move through the turnstile to the lift.  It's 
a real pain in the butt. I hated it at first, but after awhile you get 
used to it, kind of like a rainy day skiing.
 
Are there any other resorts that have this system? Or are we in Oregon
the guinea pigs.

-Phillip Bride, Mentor Graphics
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: hansen@acl.lanl.gov (Charles D. Hansen)
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks (really Taos)?
Reply-To: hansen@acl.lanl.gov
Organization: Advanced Computing Lab, LANL, NM
	<5762@versant.COM> <1992Sep28.010309.9838@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:38:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.010309.9838@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes:

   >What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?
   >
   You balance them on rocks and take pictures of them.  You then take these
   pictures and sell then for hundreds of dollars a piece, as modern art.

   A transplanted New Mexican, who longingly misses those 140 degree 
   Albuquerque nights,

Gee Steve, you really have been gone a long time ... bad art in Taos
is fetching in the thousands these days :-)

Chuck Hansen
hansen@acl.lanl.gov
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:41:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Where to ski this winter...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> Hey, leave A-basin out of this ! :)

I agree.

These are some of the reason why I think A-basin is a bad choice for
out of towner:

1) Altitude. 
   If you come from see level you risk a pulmonary emboly (sp?) unless
   you take it easy and get used to the altitude little by little.
   The top of the norway lift (which has blue and green runs) is at
   12,450 feet. Unless you aclimate your body first you will be out of
   breath just putting you ski boots on. Now how fun is it to ski if you
   have to stop after every 2 turns to get your breath back ?

2) Cold.
   The only time I suffered a frost bite was at A-basin. (I guess it
   didn't help that I had a face plant and that I kept skiing with snow on
   my face. But still, I face plant at other ski areas all the time
   and I never had a frost bite before)

3) Slow lifts.
   You can get much more vertical skiing at Keystone.
   Combine with 2) Slow lifts and very cold temperatures...

4) Lack of diversity. You pretty much get bored by mid day because there 
   aren't that many runs... Face it, A-Basin is a very small ski area.

5) No hotel/condos. You basically have to take a shuttle every morning
   to get there and another one to go back. Why would you want to put
   up with this when you can get a condo right on the slopes at Keystone ?

6) No shopping. They only have one shop that is way overpriced. If you want
   to buy A-Basin t-shirts to impress your friends back home you can buy
   them at Keystone.

My advice to out of state skiers is to go to Keystone, 
(Or even better, to Vail). You'll have a much better time skiing and
you won't have to put up with obnouxious local skiers who think that 
Texans have no businness skiing in Colorado...

bruno.


  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole vs Taos Trip
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:55:13 GMT

In article <agcVRB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>Hi, I'm looking for some help deciding where we should go on our
>annual ski trip this winter. There are eight of us (four couples) and
>everyone is at least intermediate and three of us are probably (I say
>probably because I'm continually surprised at what I see other people
>able to do) expert. We usually ski at Whistler-Blackcomb B.C. or Lake
>Louise AL but are looking for something different.
>
>I've always heard good things about Jackson as a great _ski_ place
>where the skiing's the thing, not the apres ski etc. That appeals.
>Taos I know very little about but one of our group has heard good
>things.

>Anyway, bottom line we're (I'm) looking for steep, deep, and lots of
>everyone).
>
Well... I grew up near Jackson Hole and lived in northern New Mexico
for several years. ...hmmm.  Jackson Hole is a bigger better ski area
than Taos with (usually) more snow and more terrain but Taos ain't
no sissy hill.  Being from the northern Rockies my only real complaint
with New Mexico skiing is the lack of snow but honestly, New Mexico 
often has more snow than Colorado so maybe its just me.  If it is 
strictly the exciting/good skiing your're after, go to Jackson/Targhee.
But you said you wanted something different.  New Mexico is certainly
different.  If you've never been to Santa Fe or Toas, go there.  It
is a neat place.  Santa Fe is called "The City Different" and it won't
dissappoint you in that respect. ...the same goes for Taos.  Northern
New Mexico has a style and ambience all of it's own.  Santa Fe is
the third largest art center in the US behind New York and L.A. and
to understand why that is, you'll have to go there.  Toas was the
original art colony and still is. ...and then there's the food!

Jackson Hole is wild big and wonderful;  Toas is enchanting and 
spirtitual.  They are both great places but Taos is certainly more
differenct from Canadian ski areas.  Jackson is close to Yellowstone
and everything though.

The weather is more likely to be good in New Mexico.  And I would 
suggest (depending on the lenght of your stay, tranportation, etc.)
spending at least some nights in those neat Santa Fe hotels.  There
is a lot more in Santa Fe and a good little ski area above town.
You can drive to the Toas ski area from Santa Fe without too much
trouble but it's like an hour and a half or so????

Hope this helps.


                                NCW
From: roy@ecgcurly.UUCP (ecghub   Roy Kern)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Denver-area Gold C discounts
Summary: How does it compare?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:22:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Cellular Cad Group

In article <SSH.92Oct1160423@snow.boulder.ibm.com>, ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) writes:

  Gold C prices (edited)
} Lift tickets:
} 
} Keystone/A	$22	Nov24-Dec18, non-holiday
} Keystone/A	$21	Opening-Nov25, Apr5-closing
} Keystone/A	$30(x2)	all season
} Keystone/A	$26	Thanksgiving day
} Keystone/A	$26(x7)	Dec19-Feb12, non-holiday
} A-Basin		$18	Opening-Dec24
} A-Basin		$19	May3-closing
} A-Basin		$21/23	Jan4-Feb12 (weekdays/weekends)
} A-Basin		$24(x2)	All season
} Breck		$20(x2)	Nov14-Nov25, Mar29-Apr11
} Breck		$22(x2)	Nov30-Dec18
} Breck		$27(x8)	Jan11-Feb28 (non-holiday)
} Breck		$29(x4)	Mar1-Mar28
} Breck		$29(x4)	All-day lesson, all season
} Copper		$28(x5)	All season
} Copper		$25	Christmas or New Year's Day
} Copper		$27(x6)	Dec19-Feb12, non-holiday
} Monarch		$16(x2)	All season, non-holiday
} Silver Creek	$18(x2)	Jan4-Mar5
} Silver Creek	$21	All season
} Eldora		$15(x2)	Open-Dec18, Apr5-closing
} Eldora		$22(x2)	Dec19-Apr5
} 
} Crested Butte	$22off two day ticket(x2), Jan4-Feb11
} Crested Butte	$12off two day ticket(x2), Feb12-Mar5
} Steamboat	$20off two day ticket(x2), Nov26-Dec11, Apr5-Apr11
} Steamboat	$15off two day ticket(x2), Dec12-18, 1/3-2/13, 3/28-4/4
} Tiehack		$42off two day ticket(x4), all season, non-holiday
} Aspen		$34off two day ticket(x2), opening-Dec13
} Aspen		$24off two day ticket(x4), Jan4-Feb12
} Aspen		$14off two day ticket(x2), Feb13-Mar26
} Aspen		$34off two day ticket(x2), Mar27-closing
} 


How do these prices compare with the discount prices of getting your tickets
at a King Soupers?  Let's say from after January 1st to the end of the ski
season.

Roy.
roy@mot.com
From: sdk@cci632.cci.com (Stephen Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:43:29 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Oct5.205932.4285@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross) writes:

[ various remarks deleted ]

>Sitting in my dorm room I cansay that I now wonder if I will ski there again. 
>For those of you who have used or been part of the Bachelor system or those
>at Big Sky or Mont St. Anne, can you put any light at the end of my tunnel ?
>   Please help me.

  Well, I skied at Mont St. Anne around New Years two years ago.  The lines 
were usually pretty good (sorry, I've met cattle runs in the east _and_ the
west).  I didn't really notice much difference in the flow.  The first time
thru with a group of four on the gondola required a little manuvering, but
no big deal.  Other than the fact that there usually wasn't somebody standing
there to (supposedly) look at my ticket there wasn't a whole lot of difference.
(Actually, there was one:  the ticket was on elastic and when it slipped out
the reader you better have your hand on it or _not_ have the elastic  around
your neck....the tickets taste awful. ;)
  I mean, cmon...how much difference is there between going thru a turnstile
and waiting for the single "ticket-checker" to get done with the other people
and get to you?  Now, the people who can't slip their ticket in the slot are
probably stepping all over your skiis in line anyway, and you _know_ that
they'll be wandering from one side of the trail to another in a random pattern
_just_ when you want to go by (obviously, it is possible to generate truly
random actions, just watch'em go down a catwalk some time).

steve knight
"no, I don't do cliffs...well, not big ones (yes, my wife does think I'm nuts)"
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:44:35 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BvCvzM.Hyv@mail.boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
|> 
|> Punch a hole in the bottom, slide the bag over your head and down to
|> your waist, and secure it with a belt.  When the rain stops, roll the
|> bag up underneath your jacket to get it out of the way.
|> 
|> 					--Lowell Skoog
|> 					  Seattle, Washington
|
|If you trim the edges of the head and arm holes with duct tape, one garbage
|bag will last the whole season.  But you might have people dropping trash
|down your neck.
 
Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "talking trash".  Hefty 
trash bags definately are the most popular attire on rainy days.  A couple
of years ago Squaw Valley started giving out plastic bags complete with
arm and head holes cut out with their logo on them.  They did this as
a customer service on days that it was real wet.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:31:19 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <parkyn.717886859@sfu.ca> parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
>A comment on classification:
> Racer is NOT necessarily an EXPERT.

Yes, strangely enough there are even racers at World Cup level who don't
really meet my working definition of an "expert".  You could say they are
"expert racers", and as Eugene pointed out even an "expert recreational skier"
might have no avalanche knowledge (for example), so we must always be more
specific -- understand the limitations of such a classification system.

 "L-A-S-I" -- pick a letter, any letter 

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
I'm a masochist -- I like a cold shower in the morning, so I take a hot one.
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:55:51 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>>>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry?
>>
>>I prefer Hefty Trash Bags.  They're cheap, waterproof, and the
>>styling is, well, classic.  :-)
>>
>>Punch a hole in the bottom, slide the bag over your head and down to
>>your waist, and secure it with a belt.  When the rain stops, roll the
>>bag up underneath your jacket to get it out of the way.

Plus, you can patch them up with duct tape for that local Alta skier look!

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Smart Ticket
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:59:32 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

There was a remark made about the turnstiles at Bachelor made earlier this week
that said it reminded the author of cattle herding and skiing in the east.
I was all set to flame the writer for picking on east coast skiing and skiers.  Some how I got pulled away and was unable to respond.

Am I Glad I Didn't !
I just received a copy of the 9/17/92 issue of the Mountain Ear, a free 
newspaper out of North Conway, NH.  It seems that Attitash, in Bartlett, NH is
also going ahead with the point system ticketing, the computer ticket reader, 
and yes, the turnstiles.  The article extoles the virtues of the new system,
saying how it will benefit the casual skier and the family of skiers.  Lucky for us they are still going to offer traditional all day passes.  But I envision a scene of mass confusion at the ticket booth when everyone spends three times as much time trying to figure out the differences between the small, medium, large, and jumbo tickets - as  opposed to the simplicity of the all-day and half-day 
tickets .

WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?
For those of you who don't ski in the east, Attitash, although smallish, was oneof the more consistent well groomed areas around.  Sitting in my dorm room I cansay that I now wonder if I will ski there again. For those of you who have used
or been part of the Bachelor system or those at Big Sky or Mont St. Anne, can 
you put any light at the end of my tunnel ?   Please help me.

Matt Ross
mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

-- 
Matt Ross
mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
What ever you do, take care of your shoes.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:24:48 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 01/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto)
Subject: Skier classification
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:42:16 GMT

I haven't seen a FAQ for this group. If there is one sorry about the 
following query. It was prompted by the recent purchase of my first
ski which was said to be suitable for (up to) advanced skiing.

Skiers (I believe) are often classified into beginner, intermediate, 
advanced and expert. Here is what I feel the classifications mean:

Beginner: Skiing on easy (green) terrain, skill level ranging from 
'gliding wedge' to wedge turns.

Intermediate: Skiing on intermediate (blue) terrain, skill ranging 
from stem christie to basic parallel turns.

Advanced: Skiing on difficult (diamond) terrain, parallel turns, 
step turns.

Expert : Skiing on outrageous terrain. Competitive skiing.

Any comments welcome (especially from instructors).

Thanks.
---
John Kishimoto
koichi@unixg.ubc.ca
Novice (whatever that means) skier
From: John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing in the rain
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:07:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I'm going to try my hand at ski patrolling this year. One of the bad points
about this is that I may be forced out to ski on those days when normally I
would never have gone out...when it's raining. That's what happens when you
live out on the Wet Coast (thank goodness el Nino has passed)

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry? The pants I wear during
the cold weather would not be bad except that at the start and the finish of
the season they are just too hot to wear. So what do all you people wear?

...or do you just stay home?    :)
--

John_Mckercher@mindlink.bc.ca
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Humans are divided into different clans and tribes, and belong to countries and
towns.  But I find myself a stranger to all communities and belong to no
settlement.  The universe is my country and the human family is my tribe.
(unknown)
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Lift prices roll toward $50
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:01:29 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) wrote:
>Condensed from today's Denver Post (2 Oct 92), page 1 of the Business News
>section:
>				       
>			  Lift prices roll toward $50
>			  ---------------------------

> 
>"`A complaint about price is really a complaint about unmet expectations,' said
>Bob Kunkel, Winter Park's vice president of marketing."

>"move agressively to more innovative pricing."

These experts miss the point (actually they are paid to not to consider the 
real problem--high lift ticket prices).  "Unmet expectations" is BULL; 
there is a price where even diehards will be forced to surrender and give up 
the sport. Haven't these folks noticed that our future (and present)
overhead costs (e.g. health care, taxes) will increase faster than our 
salaries or that most people have already been squeezed out of the sport
before they could even consider getting into it?  Many of us are just
behind these nonparticipants.

For us in the east, we are already at the point where going to Europe is a 
viable option (as compared to Colorado) when cost is considered--in spite of
the present currency inbalances...

Jeff Hudgens
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 08:33:21 CDT
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Double-cambered x-c skis
 <1992Sep28.211618.15750@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

In article <1992Sep28.211618.15750@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Deborah.R.Kozlowski@dartmouth.edu (Deborah R. Kozlowski) says:
>
> On more thing re. the double-cambered ski controversy... Before glide
>waxes were first offered in the '70's, grip wax was used over the whole
>ski, not just the "wax pocket" middle area. Those of you who can
>remember back that far know that your skis still worked with grib wax
>in contact with the snow.
>
True enough, although most of us used a harder wax on tip 'n tail than
what we had in the kick zone (e.g., green or blue "glide" with violet
kick).  Some folks used the same wax the whole length, though.

Gosh, what with this and our first frost last night, I'm almost getting
nostalgic for pine tar.  >*Almost*<     8-)

  -- Chuck Amsler
     U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: ih@huey.udel.edu (Charlie Ih)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:56:11 GMT

In article <BvCvzM.Hyv@mail.boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
>> 
>> Punch a hole in the bottom, slide the bag over your head and down to
>> your waist, and secure it with a belt.  When the rain stops, roll the
>> bag up underneath your jacket to get it out of the way.
 >>
 >If you trim the edges of the head and arm holes with duct tape, ...

I remembered that many years ago when I was in Stowe, many people used
the garbage bag.  Actually, I know at Blue Mountain, Pa, you can buy
a plastic cover, a clear and improved garbage bag for a few dollars.
I alway carry one in my pocket in case of rain.  I think many other
places sell similar covers.