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From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Azad University
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:41:12 GMT
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Organization: none

In article <Bsz4rx.Ko1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

 @Yes it is 10 hours per week of teaching.  Those people who have taught
 @before now that for every hour of teaching you usually need to spend
 @another 3 hours for preparation for class.  This includes office hour,
 @homeworks, exams, updating the notes and etc.  So in effect that 10 hours
 @is equivalent to 40 hours per week which is a full time job.  In double
 @or even triple load there is no time to be spent for class preparation
 @and the instructor does not even get the time to update himself/herself.
 @Then class becomes like a dukkaan-baghghaali. You pay money for a service.
 @and the instructor becomes more like a dureh-gard going from one city
 @and school to another to repeat the same thing.

I have taught courses before. I don't believe someone who has taught the
same course in the past needs that much preparation time. What you say
makes sense for an instructor who is teaching a course for the first time.
   
 - Farzin
From: rnz@VENUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Food for thought
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: rnz@VENUS

>
>|> 
>|> >
>|> >
>|> > Cheers,
>|> >
>|> > Farhad Arbab
>|> > Interactive Systems
>|> > Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science
>|> > Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam
>|> 
>|>   Anwar Saleh



This was not just food for thought but it was feast for thought!! Although very 
well thought-out, presented etc. but I wish you would in future be a bit more
brief.

On the question of who the persians are, I have come accross a book on the 
origins of the Azeri people, written by a Russian historian, that suggeted
they are by race the decendents of the original Aryans.

I think I will call the the subject of the preceding paragraph 'food for talk'
and not 'arguments'.

Reza.


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     *	   email address: rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk          *
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Reza Noorizadeh						rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Department of Electronics and Computer Science		Tel. (0703) 593528
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran warns Iraq of international military action
Keywords: Iran
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:52:31 GMT



	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran warned Iraq Tuesday that its recent
attacks on Shi'ites in the south and its renewed territorial claims on
Kuwait invited foreign military intervention, and the warning signs from
the international community should be taken seriously.
	The Iranian warning came in a commentary broadcast on Tehran radio,
monitored in Athens.
	The commentary said Baghdad's renewed territorial claims against
Kuwait were probably meant for internal consumption in Iraq because
Iraqi President Saddam Hussein did not have the military means to make
good his threats against the emirate.
	But it said his recent threatening messages to Kuwait taken together
with the attacks on the Shi'ites in the southern marshes were having a
negative effect on the international community, which regarded the Gulf
as a sensitive region.
	Iran warned the Iraqi rulers to ``avoid making repeated and
disastrous mistakes'' because they ``create the grounds for military
intervention by foreign forces, which cannot be ignored.''
	Iran supports the Shi'ite rebels fighting Saddam's forces in the
southern marshes, and has been the main source of information in the
media on the recent fighting there.
	But the ruling clerics in Iran also disapprove of Western military
intervention in the Gulf, and have warned Iraq repeatedly in the past
not to give U.S.-led coalition forces an excuse to boost their presence
in the area.
	Iran became the major regional power in the Gulf after the British
pulled out in the early 1970s, but its 1980-88 war with Iraq sapped the
country's strength considerably.
	The Gulf war in 1991 weakened Iraq and raised hopes in Iran that it
could recapture its dominant position in the region, but Tehran has
expressed strong views about the presence of the U.S. forces that
remained in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait after the war.
	The Iranian state radio said Iraq's recent moves, particularly its
renewed claims on Kuwait and its actions against the Shi'ites stemmed
from what it called a ``crisis of sovereignty.''
	It said the discontent of the Iraqi people because of economic and
political conditions in the country, and the inability of the Iraqi
authorities to take effetive measures were partly responsible for the
problems facing the government in Baghdad.
	To top this, a U.N. inspection team now has unlimited access to
government buildings, bringing the country's sovereignty into question,
and this may have pushed Baghdad into making moves that brought it into
collision with the international community, it said.


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From: jahangir@atlastele.com (John Kasraee)
Subject: TESTING THE CONNECTIVITY
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:24:17 GMT

THIS IS A TEST OF THE NETWORK.
PLEASE IGNORE.
THANK YOU.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mo'afi , another way of making money
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:59:58 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <Bsxto6.IKL@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:

> Everyday I read something about the regime of Iran ( or should I say the
> regime that has been forced to Iranians ) and their policies and I see they
> do anything to drain people blood into jars and drink them. 

> What the hell is this business of Mo'afi?? A person is supposed to serve
> military no matter what. Only exception is illness and things related to
> that. So why the hell can we buy our military service. 

> They do anything to make money. They send people who are serving home for
> longest time just because they want to make money by not spending it on
> food and military bases. My friind's brother goes to the base 8:00 am and
> he is home by 10:30-11:00 am , what kindda sevice is that ??

> Is it Islamic Republic or Islamic Capitalsm ??

It is indeed symptomatic of a regime who used the poor and the dispossessed to
come to power and then suppressed every opposition to stay there, that the poor
have to pay with their body and blood while the better-off can get away by
paying bribes.

> Here is another first class news from Iran. People get arrested on the
> streets for wearing colorfull and happy clothes specially women. and they
> take them in and people have to pay fine according to their fanciness , and
> if they have nail polish and eyelines and makeups they have to pay more
> accordingly. 

The same again.  Remember, in the Shari'ah law they have introduced, even
murderers (yes, not only manslaughters but murderers too) can escape punishment
by paying money to the victims families.  Those who cannot pay, have to pay
with their lives.

> Hey Down with unstable regime of Iran and it's supporters.

> Ramin

> *****************************************************************************
> * "We hate it when our friends become successfull. And if we could destroy  *
> *  them , you bet your life we would ....   "   The Mozzerman               *
> *****************************************************************************

-hossein
From: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Zafar writes:
>
>because if you haven't noticed Pakistanis are more religious than... I for
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>one am proud of that fact, but it is fraught with boredom. So why should I 
>                                                  ^^^^^^^
>read articles that don't interest me? That's my secret. And BTW, it's not
>

For the very same reason you have a greater responsibility to post your
articles to your own newsgroup.  That is the only way you can promote some
humor and life into that newsgroup.

And to those who criticize Zafar for posting his opinions to the Iranian
newsgroup,  I have this to say.  Please have mercy on this poor guy.  After
all, he has no other FUN place to go to.


Regards;
Ramin Moshiri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ramin@negin.Berkeley.EDU (Ramin Modiri)
Subject: Re: Iranian Men
Reply-To: ramin@negin.Berkeley.EDU (Ramin Modiri)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.135354.16223@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com>, ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug10.130351.13710@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes...
|> >
|> >woman we knew.  She married an Iranian man whom she had known for at least 2
|> >years as a friend.  He had been very kind to her until after the wedding.
|> >After they got married, he demanded that she turn over her paychecks to him,
|> >and so on and so forth.  He became someone else.  They divorced within 6
|> >months.  Hey, I wouldn't put up with that crap either.

neither would I.

|> >
|> Yes; This is typical treatment of Iranian women by Iranian men. I think we
|> like to take what's only good for ourselves from both cultures. we like our
|> wife to work and bring the paycheck home and at the same time do all the
|> house work and cooking too. we like to go out and have a good time like
|> americans but when it comes to our wife, the story is different.

I *STRONGLY* disagree with the word "typical".   Among the people that I know 
(admitedly not too many) I have not seen this.   Speaking for myself, I might leave the
housework and cooking to my future wife.  But that would be only if my
wife volunteered to do it, and solely because I'm a lazy no good couch potatoE :-)
who has a tendency to vegitate is left alone.  If expected of me, I'd have no problem 
with work.

take care,
Ramin.
From: reza@ai.mit.edu (Reza Shadmehr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Cambridge History of Iran
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:35:31 GMT


Dear SCI readers:

In a previous posting I had mentioned an excellent series
on history of Iran and failed to give you the complete
reference.  Here it is:

Cambridge History of Iran, edited by Professors
Peter Avery (Univ. of Cambridge), Gavin Hambly (Univ.
of Texas at Dallas), and Charles Melville (Univ. of
Cambridge).

It's published by Cambridge Univ. Press, 40 West 20th St.,
New York, NY 10011-4211.

The series consists of articles written by various historians,
including many Iranians.  Each book is about a thousand pages,
and there is now seven of them.  Most books are divided into sections
consisting of Political Framework, Foreign Relations, Economic
and Social Developments, and Religous and Cultural Life.

I came across the series while I was browsing in the Humanities
library here at MIT, and I would imagine that most major universities
have a copy of it.  For those of you interested in modern Iran, 
I highly recommend taking a look at the last book in this series (volume 7), 
which was published a couple of months ago.  It is titled: 
"From Nadir Shah to the Islamic Republic".  The book includes about 
a hundred incredibly beautiful pictures of Iranian art works from 
this period.

Best wishes.   Reza Shadmehr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: MOAFI???
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:33:53 GMT

In article cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (C. Ognibene-Moussavi) writes:
|> 
|> Hello,
|>   I'm confused about the moafi issue - can someone give me a quick summary
|> of what payments can be made? Are the payments listed in previous articles
|> regarding permanent or temporary exemption from military? 
|>   What is the equivalence of rials and tomans to dollars? What would one
|> need to pay to receive permanent exemption if he has a 4 year college
|> degree in computer science? 
|>   What's the chance of one paying the money, and then the government
|> changing the rules 3, 10, however many years from now? By changing the
|> rules I mean the government saying, "Ok, all previous payments are now
|> void."
|> 
|>                    Thanks!
|>                        Carla


What I hear is that if you are a 'bee savAd'=='uneducated'
then you do not have to pay a lot!

If you send the money to Bank Meli of IRAN    account # 222
the receipt is your  MoAfi.


IMHO  If you wait a while  the price will go lower or maybe 
everybody in certain ages will be MoAf.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: On question of moaafi
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:12:22 GMT

In article <19212@drutx.ATT.COM> ry@drutx.ATT.COM (YazdiR) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.133850.23136@Princeton.EDU>
>bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>
>>If there is a real need for military draft, then why is there
>>a law to buy back your moaafi (which only helps the privileged,
>>and is nothing but another way to milk the people)?
>>And if there is a surplus of draftees, then why doesn't the
>>government give moaafi based on age or some other requirement
>>(which sounds more fair) than charging the people for it?
>>
>>Maybe one of our al'laamehs could enlighten us with their answer.
>>
>>a curious mashmool,
>>Behzad
>
>
>Behzad Jan-
>
>I am no al'laameh, but I enlighten you anyway!
>
>The Iranian government can not make the Mashmools go back and serve
>in the military.  So most people who came out of Iran after the 
>revolution have not gone back for that reason.  Now Mashmools have a choice.
>If they want to go back to Iran, they can either serve in the military
>or pay A LOT of money.
>
>It is not fair to the people who served their military term if those
>who have not served are exempt because they live(d) outside Iran
>and were beyond the reach of the authorities.
>
>May be the government should set these funds aside to help the disabled
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>families and those who lost their loved ones in the war with Iraq.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>So, lets go to Iran and don't argue!
>
>LL Sirjan.
>Reza

Reza john,

I see some of our private arguments have finally gotten through   
your thick skull. I have no problem with what you have mentioned
above (what I have underlined). However, I have a problem with
IRI regime spending this money to be the police in the muslim
world, at a time when our country is in a desperate need of an
economic revitalization.

As for going back; I'll see you there.

Behzad
p.s. btw, is it true that Sirjan is trying to secede from the
Iranian jomhoori?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu (Navid Badie)
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:47:05 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

: And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
: at sci.  When was the first time you subscribed to soc.culture.iranian
: newsgroup, and how did you learn about it?  Ok, that was two questions. :-)
[...] 
: PS. Oh, yes, my first time was around October or November of last year (90).
: I picked it up by pure luck when I was randomly browsing through thousands of 
: newsgroups.

Well, was it last year or was it 1990? Mine was October 1990. I had been off
Unix and Usenet since 1987 so when I got access to a Unix based server in 
1990, the first thing I tried was 'rn', and, lo and behold, we were getting 
a newsfeed! Of course, the number of newsgroups had grown exponentially, 
and there were many new hierarchies. (comp.*, soc.*, rec.*, etc...) I figured 
that with all the Eye-ranians in California somebody must have thought of 
creating an Iranian group, so I grep-ed "iran" on "newsgroups" and Bingo!

I have been on and off a few times since then, and I think all things 
considered sci is worth subscribing to. What I cannot believe is how
much time some people put into sci. Don't some of these people have
anything else to do, like their theses for example? It happens often
that I see an interesting article which should be followed-up, and I
think to myself "tonight at home I'll check out a couple of references
on this issue and tomorrow I'll post something" but at home I get busy
and before I know it the subject I was going to contribute to is old
news.

Of-course it doesn't help that our newsfeed is through UUCP, which means
some topics are already old news by the time I get to read them, and
from time to time our modem acts up, all of which means that I can only 
jump into discussions that are initiated somewhere on the east coast of 
North America.

Enough complaining already!

Regards,
Navid Badie.
ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu
voice (416) 231-4111 x6675 --- fax (416) 231-3748
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mosalman shodane Buchanan
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:55:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtB3sx.p0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:


>                  Mosalman shodane Hazrate Buchanan

>As Obeyd Zakani said
>Gorbe Shod Zahed o Mosalmana


>Ali Eslami who is a Sharia law supporter, turned out to be a republican
>Buchanan supporter too. I remember when Bush called Iranians a terrorist
>nation and I do not know if there has been any smell of roses in the
>middle east (as Ali smells it) these years republicans have been in charge.
>What I have smelled is the smell of gun powder. Ali is so exited about
>Buchanan that he could have claimed that even prophet Mohammad would vote
>for such a niiiiice christian, if he was alive. Babak who also has difficulty

Buchanan was a major supporter of Saddam Hossein against Iran.  He is still
against Iran and it is a shame if any Iranian support such a person.


>                                            Kambiz
>  

Ala
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:30:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt97yM.H1p
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:

>In article <sehari.714202945@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>
>>You should review your history, before jumping in.  Iran was before and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>You shouls stop all these history crap postings. Day in- day out, same
>stupid remarks about the "proud Iranian history" and their achievements.
>And the same backward people, commenting about this, already beaten to
>death, subjet.

>Why don't you all get a life!

>Behzad

Please stop telling people what they can and what they cannot post on the net.
If you do not like this kind of disscusions just skip it.
If we impose toomany restrictions here nothing can be said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: When was your first time
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:53:55 GMT


When I saw the subject title I thought that you are going
to ask about something more exciting! Like, When was your
first kiss or ...

                               Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:35:09 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>
>And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
>at sci.  When was the first time you [...] and how did you learn about it?

Sir,

I believe you are in the wrong newsgroup. You need to take this to
alt.sex or any other relevant newsgroup.

>PS. Oh, yes, my first time was around October or November of last year (90).

Please spare us in this newsgroup with stories of your private life,
and please refrain from posting such offensive material to
soc.culture.IRANIAN in the future.

    Sincerely,
    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re:Sharia law
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

>
>>Does this mean that the killer who has got money has an option
>>or two more than the one who has not got money?!!
>>
>>                                    Kambiz


>Yes, this is exactly what it implies! Well, this is the way life is, 
>unless you are pro-communism. Money also buys food and medicine, so
>money buys life! Let's look at it another way: A killer who has money can buy
>advanced and sophisticated weapons and can do a better job, without getting
>caught. On the contrary, a killer who has not enough money, must be satisfied
>with a cheap knife, and he will probably get caught. Now don't tell me that
>this is not just and the government should give financial aid to poor killers
>so that they can compete with rich killers!!!
>Mr. Kambiz !
>Instead of sympathizing with murderers, think about millions of hungry
children
>around the world who are starving and westerners who are spending money for
>"slim fast". Think about the "human right" claim of these westerners.
>Maybe, just maybe, you wake up a little bit.

>Seyyed.


I have never supported murderers. It is you who give some of them special
chances to pay "dieh" with so and so many camels. Hey by the way have you
been working with Mac Arthy anytime, you seem to be paranoid with communism.


                                           Kambiz 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian