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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Book Recommendation - The Anglo-American Establishment
Date: 28 Sep 1992 05:28:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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TThis book, written by Carroll Quigley (best known as the author
of Tradgedy and Hope) appears to have been written in 1949, but 
not published until the early eighties. It attempts to trace the
membership and activities of a secret society founded by the 
famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes and continued after his death
by ALfred Lord Milner and others. Quigley writes from a 
pro-imperial perspective, meaning that he agrees with the goals
of this group but disagrees with a number of their specific 
tactical and strategic moves. His history ends in 1949, and
he concludes that the organization at that point is virtually
powerless and near dissolution. Your mileage may vary. I
found the book scholarly to the point of boredom, but if
any skeptic needs to be convinced by sheer weight of printed
matter that such organizations exist, this book ought to do it.

I am not aware of the circumstances of publication, but it appears
to have remained in unpublished form until the present publisher,
which appears to be a conservative house, got hold of it.

Sorry I have no specifics on publisher, etc., but the book
is in the Library at Michigan State, for those with telnet access.

-Steve
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From: kmchugh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin McHugh)
Subject: Guernica - was Re: What is Fascism?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:21:26 GMT

NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org> writes:
>Kevin claims that the Spanish town of Guernica was not bombed by the 
>German air unit. I am unable to find any citation to this unusual
>claim that defies every respectable written history of the inter-war
>fascist period. Kevin, please provide a cite to this startling morsel
>of information.

I did not claim that Guernica was not bombed by a German air unit,
but that its destruction was not caused by aerial attack.

The claim that Guernica was destroyed as a result of an aerial attack
on a market day is a classic of what may be
termed disinformation. The story is completely untrue in almost every regard.

The first 'news' which stated this was a telegram from the correspondent of
The Times, G.L. Steer, who gave the impression that he had
been present at the events described. In actual fact, he did
not reach Guernica until 2 a.m. on 27th April - 6 hours after the
alleged bombardment had finished. Once his claim was made, he
did not change it and even wrote a book - but without any new evidence.

Naturally the initial reports caused shock and outrage - and also
provided propaganda material to be exploited by the Reds and their
supporters. However proof of the actual events and the
falsity of the claims of aerial destruction were soon available in print -
The Daily Mail showed the false nature of the initial reports; The Times
presented the other side, the correct version of events. An
official report on the events at Guernica was compiled which exonerated
the Nationalists.

The truth of the matter was that the town had been destroyed by fire
caused by the retreating forces of the Reds on 26th April. Examination
of eyewitnesses brought forward the following facts:

1) Guernica was destroyed by fire.
2) Guernica was attacked by aeroplanes on 26th April and bombed intermittently
3) At that time the town was occupied by Basque troops.
4) The market was sparsely attended that day because the inhabitants had been
   warned of an "impending destruction".
5) The total casualties were less than a hundred.
6) Buildings started to burn for two days after the alleged raid.
7) Explosions took place all the night of 26th April.
8) Most of the damage in the streets was caused by subterranean 
   explosions at nine different points. In each case the explosion
   occurred at the same distance from one of the nine manholes
   of the main sewer.

The story that Guernica was suddenly destroyed for no military reason
by aerial bombardment is almost completely untrue.

Kevin.
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "A Nation Betrayed" - Bo Gritz POW/MIA Video
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:28:10 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <Bv5Hz9.B2C@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
> A conjecture: "Steve Crocker" and "Kingsley Morse" are the same person.
> They have an identical modus operandi, i.e. post a whole barrage of Nazi
> propaganda amid protestations of wide-eyed innocence and don't-blame-me-
> for-this-I'm-just-passing-it-on-cos-it's-interesting.
> 
> Anyone ever met either of them?
> 
> -- 
> --  Jack Campin

You seem to have a rather strange concept of Nazi propaganda.  Care to share
it?

jg
From: holmes@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Elizabeth Helen Holmes)
Subject: Re: The War on Drugz
Reply-To: me
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:11:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.195118.18756@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> 
> SOOOOO, in light of the devastating effects that the War on Drugs and
> the related violence has had on the underclass of this country, and in
> light of the CIA's messy involvement with drug dealers both in Asia and
> Latin America, dont you sometimes think that the whole thing is a  
conspiracy
> to increase the ability of the CIA to make things go their way in  
foreign
> countries while at the same time creating enough disorder here at home  
to
> justify erosion of 4th amendment rights?

	Frightening, isn't it, when you can't trust anyone? I think  
Americans have justification for doubting the intentions and actions of  
the CIA, and for being skeptical about the possible involvement of the  
heads of state. Personally, I do believe there is a conspiracy going on,  
but who is involved and to what extent this controls all our lives I will  
never know. I think it's a sad indictment of society when noble thoughts  
and ideals are twisted and perverted by politicians to serve their own  
ends. It leads one to question whether anyone really believes in all this  
freedom and justice shit. Is anyone ever really free? From a young age  
they fill you full of every kind of pedantic rule imagineable, stunt any  
genuine intellectual growth and sense of responsibility, and then tell you  
you're free to pursue your own happiness. Perhaps you may consider mt  
point of view ungrateful.. after all, the government supports education,  
free movement, economic progress... Well, it does give you a measure of  
freedom.. freedom to get a job and pay taxes. Freedom to be a good citizen  
and follow the rules. If you don't like something, hey you can vote! Yes,  
and a fat lot of choice you get there.  
>
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "A Nation Betrayed" - Bo Gritz POW/MIA Video
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:26:33 GMT
Organization: 4th Evolutionary Humans, Inc

In article <Bv5Hz9.B2C@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>A conjecture: "Steve Crocker" and "Kingsley Morse" are the same person.
>They have an identical modus operandi, i.e. post a whole barrage of Nazi
>propaganda amid protestations of wide-eyed innocence and don't-blame-me-
>for-this-I'm-just-passing-it-on-cos-it's-interesting.
>
>Anyone ever met either of them?
>
>-- 
>--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
>17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
>INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
>BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp

I find it interesting that such a comment would come from an
area that is so close to the reputed source of the Committee of
300; that singular group of internationalists whose agenda is to
implement the NWO....a system of economic feudalism.

Len

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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: What is Fascism?
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:51:30 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <66884@cup.portal.com>, atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:
>>>       Hitler, for his part, committed his act of abandonment 
>>> bloodily and dramatically. When the industrialist power brokers 
>>> offered control of Germany to Hitler, they knew he was supported 
>>> by national socialist ideologues who held views incompatible with 
>>> their idea of profitable enterprise. Hitler solved the problem in 
>>> the "Night of the Long Knives," during which he had the 
>>> leadership of the national socialist wing of his constituency 
>>> murdered in their sleep.
>>
>>Which gets to the heart of what economic fascism really is:  State 
>>Corporatism.
> 
> Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Don't you know you're not supposed to call
> it "State Corporatism"?
> 
> It's "Industrial Policy" now.
> 
> :-(
	Good point!  I forgot.  Rolls off the tongue more readily too!
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Spotlight Endorses LaRouche, Perot
Date: 2 Oct 1992 05:10:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Chip, again you use the word "liar" loosely. I did not see the 
Spotlight article in question, and I took the EIR excerpt to be
accurate. The language sounded like an endorsement to me, so I
characterized it that way in the subject line.

My apologies to anybody here besides Chip who was misled by this
innacuracy.
-Steve
From: Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:37:47 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Steve Crocker transcribes:
" We come bursting through your bodies 
  Rape your helpless soul
  Transform you into a creature
  Merciless and cold
  We force you to kill your brother 
  Eat his blood and brain 
  Shredding flesh and sucking bone 
  Till everyone's insane 

  We are pestilent and contaminate
  The world Demonic legions prevail "

Hey great! Doom Metal! Was this from Candelmas or Venom?
Please post source!

:-)

Gruss,
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From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors
Subject: Re: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:51:06 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Oct6.014408.4903@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:

>In article <52.X6661@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
>>I've been tipped off that someone at one of the main news distribution
>>sites has installed a program that randomly deletes a percentage of
>>postings to alt.conspiracy.jfk. This program has been running for months.
>>Why would some sick hacker do this? Supposedly to make a.c.j posters
>>feel more paranoid than they really are when their postings don't get
>>answered.

>I always suspected something like this :-)

It's all a conspiracy....
life
death
sex
music
art
etc....

Jack
jis@panix.com

NOTE:  I'll discuss this conspiracy junk with Hoffa and Elvis when they
show up at the Tupperware party this week...


:)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Lattimer, Questions 9 and 10
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:55:08 GMT

grant_jo@ripple.enet.dec.com (Joel Grant) writes:

>Lattimer's description of the skull entrance wound:

>"... The head wound of entry could be clearly seen in four of the
>color photographs to consist of an ovoid penetrating wound of the
>back of the head, about 7 by 15 mm in size, 

7mm ? All the government testing indicates that 6.5mm bullets make 8mm
holes in skulls because of the way they shatter a circle of skull at
impact time.

>and about 2 cm to the
>right of the midline, high up above the hairline where the top of
>the skull was starting to curve forward, the area of the cowlick.
>This accounted for its ovoid shape, since it was slightly tangential
>to the surface of the skull.  The long axis of the ovoid wound ran in
>a back-to-front direction.  It conformed in position to the hole
>in the back of the skull seen in lateral X-ray film 2.  This position,
>clearly shown in the photographs, was considerably higher than that
>depicted in the schematic drawings of the head wounds in the
>Warren report, since it lay about 10 cm higher than the occipital
>tuberosity of the skull, rather than just above it.  It made it
>obvious that this bullet came within an inch or two of missing the
>President's head altogether."

>Lattimer adds that "...The mistake in describing this hole in the
>skull at a lower level in the official autopsy report clearly
>resulted from the X-rays and photographs being taken away from the
>doctors who did the autopsy, and who would have depended on them
>for accuracy in this type of detailed measurement."

The trouble with using the X-Rays to determine the entrance location
is that they are fakes.

The X-Rays clearly show the right front quadrant of JFK's head missing,
when in fact the Dallas doctors and Humes describe a wound in the
occipital-parietal area [Humes said it also extended into the temporal
area.] The occipital is the bone in the rear of the skull, the
parietal is farther forward and the temporal is above the ear.

In the X-Rays it is the *frontal* bone that is missing.

Where is the 5 inch wound [Humes said 13cm] in the right rear of the
head?

The X-rays don't match the wounds seen by *any* of the medical
personnel or *any* of the SS agents.


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schuck@sfu.ca                                           Vote No on October 26th
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From: v462etnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors
Subject: Re: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <52.X6661@ramona.com>, doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes...
>I've been tipped off that someone at one of the main news distribution
>sites has installed a program that randomly deletes a percentage of
>postings to alt.conspiracy.jfk. This program has been running for months.
>Why would some sick hacker do this? Supposedly to make a.c.j posters
>feel more paranoid than they really are when their postings don't get
>answered.

Gee, I dunno... sounds kinda like a funny idea to me.  But then
again, I have a hard time subscribing to conspiracy theories...

Or...  could it be just another conspiracy theory?  You know,
if they're going to spread these rumors, they should start a 
group for 'em (alt.conspiracy.paranoid, maybe, but that would
be redundant.

David "I was born after the grassy knoll was mowed" Anderson
From: saltzman@ISOVAX (Bob Saltzman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: 30 year anniversary?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:17:30 GMT
Reply-To: saltzman@ISOVAX
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <13354@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>Next year is the 30th anniversary of the assasination.  Anyone
>know of any special plans to observe the event in Dallas?  A
>convention of those tracking the conspiracy theories?  A
>dedication of this or that historical site?  Release of hitherto
>unreleased government files?  A gathering of alt.conspiracy.jfk
>readers in Dallas?
>
>
>	Dave

A number of events are in the planning stage.  No doubt some will
take form at the Assassination Symposium on Kennedy that will take
place next month in Dallas.  Stay tuned.

Bob, CTIA
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors
Subject: Re: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Summary: Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


Alt.conspiracy.jfk is not under attack.
    

That's only what _they_ want you to think.



	Jason
	The John Dillinger Died For You Society
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Pierre Fincke Supporting JAMA Today
From: SKTHOMA@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Kenn Thomas)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:13:18 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

Has anyone heard about Pierre Fincke supporting Humes and Boswell's nonsense
in JAMA?  It was the leading story on CBS Radio News today at 1PM CST.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Pierre Fincke Supporting JAMA Today
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:33:38 GMT

f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>        CHICAGO -- Breaking his silence, the last of three pathologists who
>conducted an autopsy on President John Kennedy dismissed Monday
>conspiracy theories that Kennedy was struck by a third bullet. ``I am
>very much tired of hearing so much nonsense about the Kennedy
>assasination,'' Dr. Pierre Finck said. ``We got it right in 1963 and it
>still stands in 1992.... There were two bullets striking from behind,
>and no evidence for any wounds from the front.''

How can Finck say that with a straight face?

He and Boswell and Humes never even knew there was a throat wound
during the actual autopsy.

They also never found a bullet track deeper than 2 inches for the back
wound.

How can they connect a shallow back wound with a throat wound they
never saw and claim it came from behind?

All the Parkland [Dallas] Doctors and Nurses thought the throat wound
was an entrance wound.




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        "We've got to get bigger guns" -- Dick Durkin -- Split Second

schuck@sfu.ca                                           Vote No on October 26th
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.rumors
From: doug@ramona.com (Double Agent)
Subject: alt.conspiracy.jfk under attack!
Organization: Ramona Engineering
Date: 02 Oct 92 04:29:01 GMT

I've been tipped off that someone at one of the main news distribution
sites has installed a program that randomly deletes a percentage of
postings to alt.conspiracy.jfk. This program has been running for months.
Why would some sick hacker do this? Supposedly to make a.c.j posters
feel more paranoid than they really are when their postings don't get
answered.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: mortal error
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:43:49 GMT

Tony Simon >
Bruce Schuck >>

>>There is photographic evidence that Hickey was already turned
>>around and facing rearwards by the time of the 2nd shot.

>Which photo? Name a source. 

The Altgens photo was taken about the time of the 2nd shot.
Hickey is the SS agent who is not standing up, but has his head above
the windshield of the followup car. He is sitting on the top of the
back of the rear seat and is looking directly backwards.
The Altgens photo is famous and can be seen in several books,
including Mortal Error [sometimes the right side is cropped.
It's also in High Treason.
It was taken at frame 255 according to the WC, although Altgens
says he snapped the shutter at the time of the 2nd shot which
probably occurred around 237.

>Couldn't you at least put a reference once in
>awhile? It makes it easier to look things up.

Very funny.

>>If there was an assassin to see in the TSBD, and I'm sure from less
>>than 200 feet a rifle would have had a good chance of being seen,
>>then Hickey would have had a target.
>>

>By the time he would have had his rifle up, couldn't the target on the 6th
>floor have been gone?

If there was a shooter on the 6th floor of the TSBD, he should have
seen the rifle. I think there wasn't anyone there by the time of
the head shot. None of the SS agents who turned around ever saw
anyone firing. None of them saw a rifle sticking out of the window.

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schuck@sfu.ca                                           Vote No on October 26th
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From: bryce_jasmer@next.com (Bryce Jasmer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Warren Commission Report
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:47:57 GMT

I was thinking about building a library of JFK related things like movies  
(fictional and non-fictional) and books and stuff. I figured one of the first  
things that I should get would be the 26 volume Warren Commission Report  
(WCR.) It might be kind of expensive but it would be a vital piece for my  
collection (yeah, a lot of it might be lies and untruths, but you have to  
admit that there is a lot of good information in there.)

After making several dozen calls, the last one seemed to have unsuccessfully  
ended my search. The Federal branch of the Government Printing Office (GPO)  
at 202.783.3238 told me that the WCR was out of print. I asked if they would  
ever print more and he said they wouldn't. Once it is out of print, it is out  
of print for good. His only suggestion would be to go to a large public  
library or possibly a university library.

Does anyone out there actually own their own WCR? (Does anyone want to sell  
it? :-)  Are there copies available somewhere for purchase? I would think  
with the renewed interest in the JFK assassination that they would be in such  
high demand that the GPO would do another printing.

Wouldn't it be great to get the entire set on a single CD-ROM?

Thanks for any info,
Bryce Jasmer
bjasmer@next.com