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From: 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Zoe
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:16:37 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


     Could anybody tell me where Zoe came from?  I know she started out in the
"Fury from the Deep" series and stowed away in the TARDIS, but when and where
was she from?  I get the impression she was supposed to be an android or
something like that, and she was also supposed to be brilliant (I seem to
remember that she passed some test in "The Krotons" with flying colors, even
though her big line was always "But what does it all mean, Doctor?"); can
somebody tell me more?  

E-mail is fine; or post if you like.


Casey
Eternally Curious
 
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From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Doctor's Names
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Dec11.183041.28235@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183041.28235@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

>In <922711122758@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK (Simon Jerram) writes:
>
>> This may be a FAQ, but does anyone know of any of the Doctors other names.
>> I know Merlin (Battlefield) and The Valyard (13th Doctor onwards) but I seem to
>> have a hazy memory of other names.  I'm sure that the bloke who removed the
>> reducing ray from inside K9 in a Tom Baker story called him by a nickname
>> from their university days, but I was very young then and I cant remeber.

> The name you can't recall is "Theta Sigma".  As for other names, finals week
> is on its way and my brain cells just aren't available for comment.  But I
> don't think your time-placement of the Valeyard is quite accurate...anyone
> care to clear this up for us?

First of all, I had the impression that Valyard was a title such as Proscicutor
or Forman.  As such it would no-longer apply after the trial.  Furthermore,
if we believe The Master, the Valyard was "between" the 12th Doctor and the
Doctor's 12th and finial regeneration...  So that means this was neither a
title of the 12th Doctor, or the 13th Doctor but the title of the Doctor somehow 
inbetween these two states. (Purhaps this is related to why he was allowed into
Gallifrey's past.) 

Anyways, how about adding Dr. Forman, Dr. John Smith, and Lord President Elect,
to the list.  If you accept books, we can also add Dr. Wilbe.

See lets see so far we have:

  THE DOCTOR
  Theta Sigma
  Dr. Forman
  Dr. John Smith
  William Shakesphere (He claims to have finished writting one of his plays,
                       which must have included signing his name.)
  Lord President Elect
  Merlin
  Proffessor
  Dr. Wilbe
  The Valyard

So thats all I can think of.  Maybe if we can collect enough of these
they should be added to the FAQ.  (Then again, maybe someone already has...)

                               Bill

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From: nsimms@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norwin Simms)
Subject: Daleks
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:18:03 GMT

It occurred to me recently that no reference was ever made to the Daleks from
Steve Wright in the afternoon (a UK radio show) on this group.
He did a series of Dalek sketches on his how, some of which were very funny.
They were mainly based on the fact that there isn't much work for Daleks now
that Dr Who has finished.
Here is a sample of the sketches:

#1: We are the Daleks!
#2: Available for Birthdays, Christenings, Bar Mitzvahs,
#1: Shop openings, Commercials,
#2: Stunt Doubles,
#1: STUNT DOUBLES!! Don't you think people might notice?
#2: Not with good make-up. With good make-up I reckon I could fill in
    for Harrison Ford no trouble.
#1: What, so in  Indiana Jones Harrison has to swing across a shark
    infested river, then it cuts to you does it?
#2: With a wig on and stubble!
#1: Oh sorry, of course! That makes all the difference. The audience will
    obviously not be thinking "There's a dalek with a wig on"!
#2: And Stubble!

All the sketches start with a "futuristic door opening" noise, and end with
the daleks saying "Leave it!", which is their catchphrase.

There were loads of sketches at one time, and I have a friend with some on tape.
If people want them posted, I'm willing to do the ones I have on tape.
They aren't very canonical, but some of them are funny.

Norwin!
nsimms@nyx.cs.du.edu, u9112022@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Zoe
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:41:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>     Could anybody tell me where Zoe came from?  I know she started out in the
>"Fury from the Deep" series and stowed away in the TARDIS, but when and where

Her first story was "Wheel in Space". She worked on the wheel, and wound
up travelling with the Doctor after that story (don't know if she stowed
away or not). It was set a fair bit into the future, although I don't
recall the date.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Corrections - Quote and Fenric
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:59:21 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1gthddINNlii@coral.bucknell.edu>, norbeck@alphard.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.104106.23089@midway.uchicago.edu> das0@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> 
>>And when did the Doctor say "You may be a doctor, but I'm The Doctor.
>>The definite article, you might say."?
> 
> This is the first Doctor in _The Five Doctors_.  He says this when
> talking to Tegan, who is, as always, a bit confused.  Doc 1 asks Tegan
> who Doc 5 is, and she says he's the Doctor.  Doc1 says (This is from
> memory, but I think your quote is close enough to go on):
> 
> "He may be *a* Doctor, but I am *the* Doctor, the original, you might
> say!"
> 
> I hope that's close enough to help.  I would offer to check it but I
> have finals taking up my every waking moment right now (and many of my
> non-waking ones).  If you want me to check, let me know, but I may not
> be able to get back to my account to answer till Jan.

I've checked myself, and as I thought, this is wrong.  The quote is indeed
from "Robot" Part One.  The line in "The Five Doctors" you are thinking
of is "As it happens, I am the Doctor.  The original, you might say."

Also, to correct something someone said in the last post I read, about
"Huh, did you forget the Gods of Ragnarok in 'Greatest Show?'"
No, I didn't forget them, but other than their name there is nothing else
tying them in to Norse mythology, thus I don't really consider that an
exploration into Norse mythology.  I do consider it more foreshadowing
for "Fenric" in the line of the chess set in Lady Peinforte's study
and the name of Glitz's spacecraft in "Dragonfire": Nosferatu (vampire).

Steven.K.Manfred



> 
> 
>>Yours,
>>Don Smith
> 
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
> --
> |.."I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice..|....Nancy Norbeck.....|
> |......Krispies."  Charles Emerson Winchester III......|.norbeck@bucknell.edu.|
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: daleks
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:35:23 GMT

parsonsg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (gary parsons) writes:

>I wonder about the daleks.  Has anyone ever thought of just ducking under 
>them, grabbing them by their barrels, and flipping them over?  Gary/ex
>save

They use psycho kinetic energy to move don't they?  Then perhaps they are
actually much stronger than they seem.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Galas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:52:31 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

kiron@vedge.com (Kiron D. Bondale) writes:
>Hmmm this brings up an oddity... that celery he had on his jacket was
>there since Castrovalva ("Civilization at last")... odd that it should
>stay fresh through as many episodes as it did.  Maybe the Doctor exudes
>some sort of preservation field in his immediate vicinity - this would
>explain why you never see him : bathing, or doing laundry... :-)

The celery stalk was replaced with a new stalk in the "Inlightenment" 
episode when the Doctor attended the party on the Buccaneer.
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: VISITATION...the fire!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:13:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
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In article <Byzx30.3Fz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens  
jason) writes:
>  
>    The fire that was witnessed at the end of the Visitation is known as the
>    Great Fire of London, in 1666 (demonic year!).
>    All is known is that it beagn in a bakery on Pudding Lane, and wiped out
>    (a) alot of dwellings
>    (b) alot of people
>    (c) alot of rats......this is viewed historically as one of the fires  
>    blessings, as it wiped out alot of rats which were the carriers of the 
>    plague/ black death. Hence the subtle twist incorporated into the story.
>       This is also the reason why the Doctor says the fire should run its
>       course, not intefering becaus4 ultimately the decimation of the rat 
>       population would do more good than the attempt to save the people.
>       (also you cant intefere in history!)
> 
>       I suppose it is similar to the Chicago fire...whatever that may be.

The Chicago fire? That was that little flare up that occured the same weekend  
as the great Peshtigo fire. Chicago and London had better press agents...

What I want to know is:
How did the Doctor know (in `Pyramids of Mars') that he was going to be  
involved in the 1666 fire? Or did he start it in two different spots?

john rickert
rickert@nextowrk.rose-hulman.edu
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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: Fanzines, now Netzines ?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 15:33:55 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>All ditto to Neal about his questions concerning DWIN.

  Unfortunately that wasn't the point of my letter.  Through some skillful
editing they managed to take some rhetorical questions and illustrations and
make it look like I was asking about DWIN.  The whole reason I wrote was due
to the way the 'election' was run, yet practically everything I said on that 
topic was cut.

   -Neal Crossan-

>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
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From: jbyrne@cix.compulink.co.uk (Johnny Byrne)
Subject: Re: Old DW Adventures...
Reply-To: jbyrne@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:00 +0000

In response to Phil Isherwood (and maybe some others)...

I should say that I was not really aware of the "New Adventures"
concept.  In those tales where I used the concept and characters of
earlier writers, I simply looked at what had gone before and took it
from there. (There's a very detailed article in the current DW mag.
which details the development of theTime Lords and Gallifrey - I
received a complimentary copy because of my contribution to the 
collective lore in "Arc Of Infinity".)

In cases where the characters are copyright to the writers a very
different arrangement obtains.  Terry Nation and the Daleks is one
instance.  Another would be Nyssa, a character whom I created.  To
"create" a character then in the BBC, the writer simply had to repeat 
their appearance in a new story.  JNT liked Nyssa and I fully
profiled her *after* I had scripted "Traken".

I was asked to write the novelisations of my three stories, but in
each case I passed - I was too busy.  I wish I had written them,
however, the chance to expand on the themes and dilemmas I touched on 
in the stories, would have been very enjoyable.  The nature of good
and evil (Traken), what constitutes humanity (Infinity) and the then
horrors of accidental nuclear holocaust (Warriors) were very
challenging topics, indeed.

Some UK contributors may know that I submitted, on request, a very
detailed story treatment which took up the Traken theme.  It was
called "Guardian Of Prophecy" and took place on Traken's twin (and
originating ) world.  It involved an immortal villain who hadcreated
the source and the story opens with his revival.  It also used the
Melkurs in a much more detailed way.  But that was the time when Eric 
and JNT were having problems and the story was, I think, a casualty
of those events.

I may have forgotten to answer some of the points raised in Phil's
posting, if so, I'll try and deal with them in a later comment.
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From: doctor@polaris.unm.edu (Doc)
Subject: Celery???
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:31:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I forgot why the fifth doctor wore a piece of celery on his jacket.  Could 
anyone out there please tell me?  He never took it off and he always had it on.



-Josh, The Doctor on his third regeneration
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Killjoys (WAS: Re: Opinions...)
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:41:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

-*- THIS IS A PUBLIC HAPPINESS ANNOUNCEMENT -*-

By Order of Helen A: All posters to r.a.dw claiming that
the "Happiness Patrol" episode is among the 'worst' episodes
of Dr. Who are hereby declared depressive manic-reactive
killjoys.  As such, they may be routinely disappeared with
impunity.  (Personally, I think the fondant surprise is
too *good* for them).

#From the HQ of the Happiness Patrol, Greater Boston Chapter
(We're watching you, you miserable drab-clothed unhappy
melancholy blues-lovers!!)

Enjoy Yourself!  Happiness Will Prevail!!

-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor's names
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:14:03 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Actually, I believe he was supposed to be "distilled" from the Doctor's dark
> side from *between* the twelfth and thirteenth incarnations.  This implies
> not that the Doctor will somehow eventually *become* the Valeyard, but that
> the Valeyard was somehow *created* by an outside influence or force, or even
> a powerful being.  To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if the
> Black Guardian had figured he would never be able to destroy the Doctor, but
> could instead *turn* him to evil by having the Valeyard take the Doctor's
> future regenerations...thus the rest of the Doctor's lifespan would be
> occupied by the Valeyard, and all the "Prof's" future good deeds would be
> bad deeds.  So perhaps it was the BG who distilled the Valeyard!
> 
> I hope I didn't step on Steven Manfred's storyline there...


No, not really Drewcifer.  The distillation part is accurate, but that
was already given in the story so that's nothing new, or in other words,
you didn't spoil anything really.  
Suffice it to say the story will have something to do with this fact and
with the Valeyard's origins, and what consequences those origins have for
his continued existence...

> 
> Drewcifer
> -- 
> ***************************************************************************
> ** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
> ***************************************************************************
> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu


Steven.K.Manfred
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: what was ytv doing???
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:12:11 GMT
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From what I've heard, the voice-overs were from American T.V., which, for
some reason, is how the episodic DW are marketed in North America. 

As to cutting off shows, I remember long ago (at least a year :)), I asked
Michelle Lee of YTV about that, and she swore they didn't cut anything
from DW. Unlike Red Dwarf.

BTW, speaking of episodic DW...does anybody know if/when CBS/Fox is
planning on getting the episodic forms of Brain of Morbius and the other
DW for which they only have movie formats?
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: How would you describe the Doctor?
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:28:00 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Dec10.215517.19629@iitmax.iit.edu> MEYEBRU1@MINNA.IIT.EDU (Brucha S. Meyers) writes:

>In <domalley.723931826@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie writes:

>> In <1992Dec8.072856.20002@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>> 
>> >My article on The Visitation made me think about this some, so I'll ask
>> >others. Using ONE WORD, how would you describe each Doctor? I'll take e-mail
>> >replies and post a summary next week if there are any. Give the actor's name
>> >or number (1-7) before each word. I won't make any rules, but I'll ask that
>> >if you haven't seen at least 3 stories by a given actor, don't give a response.
>> >Please don't post since it will influence others' answers.
>> 
>> This is not to be taken seriously...
>> (As if... ;-)
>> 
>> A Trekkie's answer to the above:
>> 
>> 1. Crap.
>> 2. Crap.
>> 3. Crap.
>> 4. Crap.
>> 5. Crap.
>> 6. Crap.
>> 7. Crap.
>> 
>> Daniel. (Not a Trekkie, in case you were wondering...)

>Hey! Don't going picking on Trekkies like that!

>I'm a Trekkie, and I _love_ the Doctor!

>My Friends are Trekkies, and they, too, _love_ the Doctor!

Hey! I *do* like Trek, y'know - don't tell me you haven't got a sense
of humour...

Now that I think of it, maybe I should have attributed the 'answers' above
to Jonathan Powell...

Daniel.
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From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: daleks
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:12:18 GMT

In article 20444@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>
> {STUFF ABOUT DALEKS DELETED}
>
>P.S.  I don't know about the rest of you who put in your two cents during
>the OLD Adventures debate, but I for one object strongly to being called
>derogatory names in a recent post.  It was certainly a good idea to ask
>Mr. Byrne for a Who writer's opinion, but I don't enjoy being attacked by Mr.
>Isherwood as an "air-head" simply because I had an interest in, and 
>participated in, the discussion.  Where, sir, do you get off?
>-- 
>***************************************************************************
>** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
>***************************************************************************
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
>

Excuse me! I mentioned no names. I was referring to no individual in particular.
I PREFER TO LEAVE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOUR TO OTHERS !!!

Enough said ??

Regards,
Phil Isherwood
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl

.. who is pretty mad right now!!



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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: One word describing the Doctor
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:44 GMT

Here are the words describing each Doctor that I received. I omitted one mail
that had more than one word ("<word1> or <word2>"). I replied but it bounced.
One person described all Doctors with one word: eccentric. I didn't include it
below. My description is the first on each line. Numbers in () means more than
one person used that word.

1: eccentric, grandfatherly (2), arrogant, brash, grumpy, stubborn
2: playful (2), fun, clown, intense, comedic, absent-minded
3: forgiving, scientific, activist, vain, dandy, flamboyant, crusading,
   snobbish, wander-lusted
4: jovial, humorous, child-like/-ish (3), unusual, mysterious, exhilerating,
   enigmatic, spirited
5: concerned, pleasant, innocent (2), normal, friendly, polite, simple,
   curious
6: moody (2), pragmatic, confused, manic-depressive, arrogant, acrimonious,
   irate, dramatic, 
7: secretive, mysterious, omniscient, curious, intriguing, surprised, rumpled,
   bewildering, schemer, vengeful

One person added:
8: hopefully

I find that the widest variation occurs with Doctors #3. Do with this what
you will.

Tom
From: map6459@zeus.tamu.edu (PAUL, MARY ANN)
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Subject: dr. who fan
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:57 CST
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 favorite doctors. I think Leela is my favorite companion. I would
 like to hear from any one who wants to talk about it. Just hop
 into the tardis for a spin. See ya.
                 Mary Ann
                 map6459sigma.tamu.edu   

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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: non-fan groups
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:00:44 EST

Dave Y. commented:

-> Gentlemen, I hope this does NOT become one of those Canda debate seen
-> in can.politics.

 There will be NO referendum. :-/  (I can hear the applause from here).

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: visitation...the fire!
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:10:56 EST

The Doctor knew that he was going to start the 1666 fire (aka the Great
Fire of London) in PoM because in a future story he will encounter the
7th or later Doctor (and have some brief, telepathic contact, no doubt).
Count on it.
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Date: 16 Dec 92 20:50 CST
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