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From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:58:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>I fear that Rochester's shade will be ill at ease on seeing him cited
>in this newsgroup.  Remember "Love a woman?  You're an ass!..."?
>
Love a Woman! y're an Ass
    'Tis a most insipid Passion,
To choose out for your happiness
    The idlest part of Gods Creation!

    ...........................

Then give me Health, Wealth, Mirth, and Wine,
   And if busie Love, intrenches,
There's a sweet soft Page, of mine,
    Does the trick worth Forty Wenches.

    All part of the libertine pose of the 1660s/70s with its obligatory
misogyny and class bias.  Sodomy was generally overlooked when an upper class
male penetrated a lower class dependent--when the transaction took place the
other way around people swung for it.  Even though Rochester's poems
characterise a vast number of positions (forgive the pun!) and it is,
dangerous, therefore, to assume that the author and the personae are one and
the same, I can't help feeling that he describes some things with the voice of
experience...  It's difficult to imagine Rochester being uneasy with soc.bi,
though.  I think he'd fit right in.

Simon.

-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:47:37 EDT

> 
> ***************************************************************************
> * Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *


...Henri III of France is a gentleman I've always found fascinating.  ANy 
sources you find on him would be much appreciated.  All I've seen or read 
was the Erlanger biography and odds and ends in books about Catherine de 
Medici.  

For the benefit of those without a fascination for Renaissance History, 
Henri III was the King of France (after being the King of Poland for a 
while, I'd love to see an account of THAT) in the late 1500's.  He was 
bisexual and transvestite and had a great sense of humour.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:37:10 GMT


>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:


>And something else. For the past... oh, ages, I've been lurking here, 
>venerating you lot. Well, I will no longer. It's not fair to you, and it's
>not fair to me. You lot aren't horny gods with semiannual epiphanies in
>hottubs in Britain. You're human. You are not my betters, you are not
>my superiors. In fact, you're as fallible as monosexuals (even if friskier :)

I am not horny, frisky or dumb enough to get into an outdoor hottub in
Britain.  You may call me Goddess though.

Iseult.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:26:05 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>In article <25613@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>:gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>:>Oh Ghod! Sara and I crack the same jokes! This is the beginning of
>:>the end... 

>:Au contraire, tis the end of the beginning.

>Hmmm... so what happens in the middle?

I do, bi the looks of the attributions.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Linguists and Innocence
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:48:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <memo.608130@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>Colin Dente (He of the strokable beard) writes:
>>And you complain that Kay is ruining your reputation!  You brazen hussy, 
>>you!
>
>>How *do* you manage to look soooo innocent, and yet be so, errrr..., 
>>well, un-innocent?
>
>It's that cute look she gets when he fixes people with her <gorgeous> eyes 

Hey, I _know_ I'm bisexual, but I'm fairly unconfused about my gender...

>and makes a sound like muttley that destroys the old "i'm a sweet innocent
>liddle computational linguist" image... it normally preceeds one of her
                                                     ^^^^^^^^
Bloody journalists.... get a spell-checker... :)

>oh-so lovely belly rubs...

There were such a lot of nice stomachs in Norwich... yes, you're right,
I'm a stomach-fetichist too...

Mind you, my favourite is the Bethan Davies Glare (tm)....

>
>Dancing in that skimpy lycra two-piece swigging vodka and orange juice
>kinda blows it as well...

Hey, you really _are_ going to give people the wrong impression. It wasn't
_that_ skimpy.... even when Owen persuaded me to roll the leggings down to
reveal my ...uh... navel....

Fortunately, noone had a camera that evening..... phew!

>When am I next due in Edinburgh?

When you can persuade me to let you visit, I guess.... :)

>Clive

<BIG squeezy Bethan-type hug>

>(kittenish-behaviour_R_us)
Orc was right....



                        Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Books to read
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:15:27 GMT

In article <WGT.92Sep14094253@fog.cs.odu.edu> wgt@fog.cs.odu.edu (Warren T.) writes:
>
>Well... hello all....
>
>This is my honest to goodness first post.. Hello Becky!!!  :-)

Well, a big hug from the rest of the Tidewater soc.bi contingent!

>I just picked up some books to read that should be very interesting...
>
>I just recently came out to my closer friends and parents and am
>having extreme problems with my mother.. I read something in the
>Washington Blade last weekend that fit really well.. When a child
>comes out of the closet, most parents go in.  Well... I picked up a
>book called something along the lines of "Parents and Homosexuality"
>(they didn't have one called "Parents and Bisexuality"  :-)

Sigh... I know the story.  So, where did you obtain such books here
in the bastion of middle American values?
--scott

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Books to read
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:25:29 GMT

In <WGT.92Sep14094253@fog.cs.odu.edu> wgt@fog.cs.odu.edu (Warren T.) writes:
>Well... hello all....
>
>This is my honest to goodness first post.. Hello Becky!!!  :-)

Welcome to soc.bi in all its confusion, anarchy and splendor.

>----
>\Bi/   <-- I like that one... :-)  (blatantly stolen, of course...)
> \/				   (If I stole it from you, you know
>				    who you are...)  :-)

Not mine, anyway---mine has a lower case "bi" and it's on the other side
of the .signature.

On a different matter entirely...

The book "Bisexual Lives" haseveral pages of quotes in it, organised
into different sections. In the section marked "Children" (page 67) is
the following quote attributed to a woman:

	I could never make up my mind---then it was too late

When I first read this quote I hadn't taken any notice of the title of
the section so I read it out of context and thought that it was
referring to bisexuality. That gave me a good laugh.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 10:52:40 EDT

pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:



Well, you'll just have to settle for a big hug and abother "Happy 
Birthday".  It isn't how many you have that counts, it's how you wear 
them.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: liz@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Liz Highleyman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Unsafe Space
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:37:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: kropotki.LIZ.92Sep10123705
Organization: Free


In article <1992Sep10.071729.21669@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

  >       I went to our local Bisexual Bar recently, little place down on
  >  First Avenue called The Vogue.  There's a big sign over the door that
  >  says "No Phobes."  Needless to say, on the outside the place looks very
  >  cool.

Wow, I wish my city had a bi bar.  There used to be a place that
functioned sort of as a bi bar (called the 1270), but it changed
hands and is now a men's gay bar.  There are also some industrial
style dance places that have a well-mixed crowd, but are not
advertised as bi.

  >    But if this was supposed to be 'Bi space' it sure didn't feel like
  >  that to me.  Because I knew quite well that, as a polysexual space,
  >  there would be straights, gays, and all flavors in between or even
  >  perpendicular to the line.
  >   Maybe it was just me; maybe it was just cowardice.  But I felt
  >  extremely comfortable walking up to any woman in the place and striking
  >  up a conversation.  Even if I *knew* beyond a shadow of a doubt that
  >  the woman in question was a lesbian.
  >    But by the same token, I felt terrified going up and talking to a
  >  man.

I find that even in a place where everyone can be assumed to be bi,
it's still impossible to know who would be receptive to one's
advances.  Even if you can assume that gender is not a factor,
people still have preferences based on age, style, looks, etc.

For me, a `safe space' is one where I can feel pretty sure that
I will not be castigated or beaten up if I approach the wrong
person, not one where I will never face the possibility of
rejection...I think the latter is absolutely impossible to
achieve.

Not too long ago, and a sex radicalism workshop I did, people
were discussing what rules could make a sex party feel safe.
The fact is, it's never easy to turn someone down, and never
easy to *be* turned down...the most we can do is try to be
polite and sensitive...we can't outlaw rejection.

-Liz

--
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Liz A. Highleyman                     MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
liz@ai.mit.edu                        Cambridge, MA  02139
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From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:15 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <BuD3w7.B9u@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov
(Scott Dorsey) writes:

>--scott
>   (who works on the aviation side of NASA anyway... the most advanced
>    stuff we've got are F-16s and a B737)

Have you got any SR-71 Blackbirds? I just love that plane. It's so sleek and
sexy looking. I understand they're being retired from active service, or is
that just retired from use as spy planes? I also heard that an SR-71
recently broke a dozen or more world records, because since it's being
retired the capabilities of the plane can finally be admitted to. I'm hoping
that the Imperial War Museum at Duxford will get one. It would look great
alongside Concorde or the B-52. It would be a real pain for Duxford to keep
an SR-71 in flying condition though I suspect. A plane with a titanium skin
that continuosly leaks fuel is not the easiest of beasts to handle :-).

Owen.
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More fun photos
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:30:13 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep07.155652.8312@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

> Ellen
> Any volunteers with a scanner?

Me :-) but alas it's only B&W, bought for OCR, altho it does monochrome GIFs
OK (pause for thought: bichrome GIFs?)

///Peter
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@sor-2.stern.nyu.edu (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: Department of Statistics, New York University
Reply-To: mlloyd@sor-2.stern.nyu.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:23:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: sor-2.stern.nyu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

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From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: dreams
Date: 6 Sep 92 09:29:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep6.092942.10060
Followup-To: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Organization: Western Washington University


	I have been having lots of "coming-out" dreams lately.  The
strangest by far was where I and a group of people I haven't seen since
highschool are at a Pride Day celebration in Seattle, in the U district. 
I am desperately searching for a pink triangle, and a blue triangle to put
with it, but all of the pink triangles seem to have been taken, as we have
arrived rather late in the day.  One of my friends asks me what I am so
ferverntly searching for, and when I tell him, he says "oh, you must be
bisexual, then." [the oddest things were that the triangles were made out
of paper, and there was this whole classification scheme... that and we
could find pink squares, pink octagons, pink pieces of paper with
triangles cut *out* of them, but no pink _triangles_]  

	I was relating this dream to a lesbian friend, who said 'welcome
to the club'  ;)  and then asked if I had 'actualized' my feelings.  I
said no, and her reaction was that maybe when I had, I would find that I
was really mostly attracted to women; that she had first come out to
herself as bi, but then later decided that she was really most interested
in women.  I said that I call myself bi because I get a *zing* from both
women and men that I find attractive.  She said that she felt that humans
were basically bisexual creatures, and then our conversation was
interrupted.  Probably the most gentle version of 'you're just confused'
that I've ever heard of, and I certainly don't want to invalidate her
experience, but <sigh> I still felt a bit let down.  Oh well.  She did
seem pleased and happy for me, though.  Maybe I'm reading more into this
than I should.
 
-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:18:24 GMT

In <1992Sep10.135955.11748@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>>ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>>>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
>>>> the man gets ignored entirely.
>>
>>>It must be he's boring, or they're ignoring circumstances.
>>>Sorry. Were I there, I would consume the resources.
>>
>>Do not count on it; sweetie.  And that's all my "resources" you get.
>>Sara
>
>Here's another one. Punish me for expressing my values and desires.

Perhaps you should learn how to express yourself in a way which doesn't
allow so much room for misinterpretation.

>Here I put myself in the role of a woman; I say "consume the resources",
>which in this case is the man.

That's not what some of us read in your article. Since the name "Eric"
is usually a male name and you explicitly said "Were I there" rather
than "If I a woman and was there", your posting came across as
objectifying women (referring to them as "resources" for your
"consumption"). The rest of your original posting seemed to back up
this arrogant, sexist interpretation.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:45:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.011348.3609@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>>In article <iw.715973411@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>>>An innocent question - what exactly counts as membership to the Mile 
>>>High Club.
>>
>>Commercial airliners count, I would imagine.  Do we get extra credit
>>for biplanes?  (And no, it wasn't worth it and I won't do it again).
>
>I hope commercial 'planes count: or I must retract my claim.

Dare I ask where there is room and opportunity on commercial flights?
I once attempted it in the bathroom, but found it a bit too cramped for
comfort.
--scott

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Bi Unsafe Space
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:17:29 GMT


   I went to our local Bisexual Bar recently, little place down on
First Avenue called The Vogue.  There's a big sign over the door that
says "No Phobes."  Needless to say, on the outside the place looks very
cool.

   Inside, the place _looks_ just as cool.  There were nearly a hundred
people in there, of all sexes, ages, looks, and states of dress.  From
full leathers to nothing but electrical tape, there was no set fashion
or style obvious in The Vogue.

   But if this was supposed to be 'Bi space' it sure didn't feel like
that to me.  Because I knew quite well that, as a polysexual space,
there would be straights, gays, and all flavors in between or even
perpendicular to the line.

   Maybe it was just me; maybe it was just cowardice.  But I felt
extremely comfortable walking up to any woman in the place and striking
up a conversation.  Even if I *knew* beyond a shadow of a doubt that
the woman in question was a lesbian.

   But by the same token, I felt terrified going up and talking to a
man.  Mostly because I'm not very good at recognizing men who would be
receptive to me, as a man.  There were two men... *sigh*.  Definite
cases of "If I follow you home, would you... ?"  But one had his arms
around a girlfriend, and I...

   ... I chickened out.  *Sigh*.

   Ah, well.  We can't all be brave all of the time.

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:42:53 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.135955.11748@tfs.com>, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> >ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
> >>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> >>>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
> >>> the man gets ignored entirely.

I've seen this too.  *I* think one of the reasons is that men tend to be more
abrasive/rough sexually than women.  It seems that when women are in a group,
they enjoy the gentler/softer sex that can be offered by women.

> >>It must be he's boring, or they're ignoring circumstances.
> >>Sorry. Were I there, I would consume the resources.

Doesn't necessarily mean the guy is boring.  And if the resources didn't want
consuming, what would you do??

> >Do not count on it; sweetie.  And that's all my "resources" you get.

Exactly!

> Here's another one. Punish me for expressing my values and desires.

No one's punished you... although I'm sure that can be arranged. ;)

> Here I put myself in the role of a woman; I say "consume the resources",
> which in this case is the man. What part of the man? All of him, in the
> image I had when I wrote that.

Well, if you meant that you were putting yourself in the role of a woman,
then why the hell didn't you say so and avoid all the flames.  To quote
you, "Were I there, I would consume the resources."  Take into account your
previous statement, and most readers probably (and quite reasonable) assumed
you were talking as you... a male... in the role of the left out male.

[rest of the junk deleted...]


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... 54-40
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: TFS
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:50:53 GMT

Ciaran asks if - I'm tired, so bear with pls., women bi or not should
chase the man. This is answered by saying that being a 'het' I did not
think of bi-women - E.Z., okay? Let me requit myself anywhere before
requitting myself everywhere, etc.

Regarding my reply to Sara. Read my response FIRST, then her note which
I was replying to, I think you can see my mindset. Hey sorry, I'm hair-
trigger touchy about being coerced thru threat of the withholding of
affection. You-all should also be aware that I make no distinction between
sex and love. I've been told "too bad for you" about it, which is true;
I talk sex but I mean sex=love, and I have little luck enjoying sex
on its own w/o refernce to partner's feelings and our interrelation,
which I rather wish to 'cure' - but it also shows me how shallow the
"men just want sex" thing is. I want UNION.

My mother's love was conditional upon my behavior on the one hand.
On the other, she was interested in me for as long as she was, without
reference to my needs. Oh my darling, until her attention shifted.
So there you have it: you get love(=sex nowadays) if you behave the way
I want you. And this IS a common theme in the larger society.

No, I don't accuse Sara of BEING a prostitute. I attck the notion of
coercion (because I dis{agreed,liked} what you said, I reduce your
ration of {love,attention}).
And no, it's your jump to 'prostitution is insulting' -
In context from above, the woman has the man in a relationship up to
some point and THEN things become conditional, is the scenario I am
attacking. A prostitute says, the rate is X, yes or no, and that's
honest. She doesn't offer it free and at the end say, oh, that'll be $100
(now that you're committed). The theme I attack is manipulating the
partner after there is emotional connection (bait & switch), where I
know both men and women injured this way.