HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Really blatant flirtation               
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.202905.16713@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
>A 45% purity score? 53%? Feh! I spit on you all! I currently stand at
>96% (but would love any chance to lower that).
>
Oh, wow -- a higher purity than mine (somewhere just over 80% and in no
danger of falling).  Take pride in your innocence, that's what I say!!!!

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:11:32 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Nov8.183549.2737@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>  fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>> Wow. Someone else -- I was beginning to think I was the only person reading
>>this group that wasn't constantly going around outing themselves to all and
>>sundry. (okay, so that's an exaggeration, but that's the impression I get at
>>times)
> 
> With that lycra, dear?

 Erm.. Aak! I wear lycra because I like it -- and because it makes certain
aspects of juggling a great deal more convenient. (though that's another thing
entirely). The fact that it seems to be popular amongst bifolk is, I assure
you, nothing but a coincidence. 

> And fondling all & sundry at floor-huggles instead of
> just the motos? There are degrees of outing.

 Hmm.. I guess so, but then again, that /was/ amongst company whom (at least,
as far as I know) already knew I was bi -- so it's not really outing myself at
all.

> I wear my silver honest-these-
> two-androgynous-people-are-*just-holding-hands* badge, and people just say
> "oh, pretty". Even my brass OUT triangle made from one of the coins from the
> TV programme's opening credits gets that response. 

 I suspect that a lot of this is due to people either plain not knowing what
they're meant to refer to, or not thinking along the desired lines when they
/do/ try to work it out. Whereas a ``Bisexual Pride'' t-shirt os fairly blunt,
a triangle, though it /is/ obvious to anyone who knows (consciously, as opposed
to just having been told) what it means, might well just pass unrecognised; 
consciously, at least -- even if someone does know that a pink triangle -> 
queer, or whatever, they might well not think of that unless given greater 
incentive to do so.

> So, Fenthe, what about the "bi jongleur" sig?

 Um. Good point. Actually, this version's less subtle than the local newsgroup
version (which has a two-triangle symbol wedged in a corner, and a Language of
Violence (which is obscure, but whatthehell -- if someone gets the point, I'll
be doubly impressed) quote instead of the snailmail address.) and I've not had
any comments on that. Not sure why -- perhaps people just don't read it, or
don't consciously notice what they're reading? Who knows. 
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 8 Nov 92 08:29:53
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk's message of Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:29:06 GMT

In article <BxEG4J.3tx@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> Altruism is mainly self-deception about motives coupled with enlightened
> self-interest.  There's nothing wrong with it but admit to yourself that
> your motives are purely selfish even if the results *are* for the
> betterment of society.

I do admit that, but that's why I won't call myself an altruist...
*grin*.  No matter how much work I do to improve society, it's *my*
society so it's going to benefit me.  It's a rough life...*grin*...

ObBi: It's great being with my SO...who persuaded this adorable woman in
our philosophy class who just cut her hair really short to let us run
our hands over it...*pleasurable shiver*.  She has incredible eyes,
too...my SO is asking her to dinner next (yay!)...*grin*.

Back to altruism: the philosophy teacher says that Gandhi will go into
altruism in a big way, and Gandhi's up next.  Thoreau (who we just
finished with) seems to be a bit down on altruism:

  He who gives himself entirely to his fellow-men appears to them
  useless and selfish; but he who gives himself partially to them is
  pronounced a benefactor and philanthropist.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.213850.19519@ctp.com> sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
>This is my first post here...

*SPOING* *POUNCE* lick nibble *HUG*

Welcome to the group.  Be wary, you can go away for a day and come back
to find 189 unread messages greeting you. 

-James, who's about a third of the way through the queue of unread
messages

-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
But if some one really cared/well they'd take the time to spare
A moment to try and understand/another one's despair
-Axl Rose, "Breakdown"-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bi bi baby
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:51:23 GMT

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:

|Does anybody remember the Bay City Rollers? (Is anybody willing to
|admit it?:-) If so, you may remember one of their big hits was "Bye bye
|baby". 

*Blush* I saw them 21 years ago at my local youth club for the princely
sum of 20p.  I preferred the Slade who i also saw for 20p at the same
tender age. 

I like your lyrics better.

Angi
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: rubbing things (was Re: two men)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:23:57 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>Headrubs, now those are great.  Running your fingers through (or over,
>for short haircuts...*grin*) someone's hair while they melt...*shiver*

Ooh yeah - you said it!  I find I get, ah, fairly positive results
with "head-lifts"; place one hand with fingertips at base of neck,
other on brow with fingertips pointing along top of head.  Run hands
flat towards top back of head, with spread fingers (this part is
quite delicious for both concerned).  Keep firm grip with hand on top
of head; use other hand to press enough so you can lift weight of
head off spine.  Hold, release.  Repeat as necessary.  Hand on top
of head has impoarant role in avoiding rapidly-relaxing neck muscles
from dropping head's weight awkwardly.  The trick is to hold fast
with this hand, balancing, without squeezing too hard.

When sufficient lifts have been performed, a few scritches with the
fingertips (now well embedded in any hair longer than 1/8") never
do any harm.

OK, OK, so perhaps this should be in alt.sex or someplace.  Never
mind.  It gives me warm'n'oozy feelings just thinkin' about doing
this stuff.  Call it a sense memory ...

hugs'n'headlifts
Mike, Mr. "If it moves I'll massage it"
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
    "It's only knock and knowall, but I like it" - Genesis (the first one)
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:53:48 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>>muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>>Yes, I'm selfish.  I was selfish when I sat in the mud and held a beaten
>>>and bloody woman's head in my lap for an hour until the ambulance and
>>>police showed up.  I never got the mud, grass, and blood stains out of
>>>the white pants I was wearing at the time, but I did something to make
>>>the world more like the place I want to live in.
>
>>Well, I would have done the same thing for unselfish reasons (improving
>>the life of the woman, not the world) but at least the result is the same.
>
>Thus, you disconnect yourself from her, saying that what happens to her
>doesn't really matter to you, personally, at all,

Not at all - I care about other people more than about myself. How much
more "connected" can you get?

>[...] she is part of
>my world, and I want *both* of us to be in a world where people help
>each other and care about each other.

It's you who is disconnected from her - you see yourself as changing the
world and helping yourself, I see myself as helping the person.

I know someone as insignificant as me can't make a better world, all I
can hope to do is make a better me, which is where altruism comes in.


/jon
(of the Bring Back Altruism campaign)
   ___________________ ____ ________________________________________
  / -- Jonathan Harley \  /_   Could be an ever opening flower...  //    //  //
 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
/_Phone:UK 091 222 8504__\/__a new love inside________________///////////  //
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg)
Subject: Thanks for the welcome
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:21:37 GMT

Wow! what a warm welcome I've recieved.  Thanks.

Just one question, at the risk of being obviously naive:

WHAT THE HELL IS A MUFFIN????????


*Sarah*  :)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Anarchocapitalists (was: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:47:17 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Nov6154649@remarque.berkeley.edu>
muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>
>Well, I'm pretty sure I get the idea of what mysticism is.  Being
>rather politically out-of-it, though, I have no idea what an
>anarcho-capitalist or a materialist is.  Can anyone explain?  I'd like
>to know what my choices of pigeonholes are...*grin*...kind of reminds me
>of airline food...2-3 choices, none of them sounding all that appetizing
>from the names...

Well, I always thought materialism and capitalism went hand-in-hand, or so
the Marxists kept telling me.  But I get the funny feeling this materialism is
one of them-thar philosophical thingies like extrastencilism, detergentism,
and dialectic converters.  My head hurts already.

But anarchocapitalism is basically the libertarian branch of anarchism, 
or the anarchist wing of libertarianism, depending on how you look at it.  
Free minds, free trade, free action, no government.  The capitalist version 
of the communists' Utopia.  Everyone trades and coexists peacefully.  I 
love the idea, but I think it's a tad-bit unrealistic so I tend to be more 
of a minarchist (minimal government--only enough to keep people from 
settling their artistic differences with rocket launchers).

-Steve

If anyone wants to take this up, I'd recommend directing followups to
alt.politics.libertarian.
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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Adresses ?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:35:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
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Just saw an ad for Colorado tourism on cable. If you want further
information about Colorado, they offered a phone number

	1-800-COLORADO

Now you can call them at their expense and ask about the climate for
gay and lesbian travelers.

-- 
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." Dan Quayle to Jenny Craig

STEVE SCHOCHET\af244@cleveland.freenet.edu\af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Looking for INFO
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:05:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Jim Dilmore says...

>Try and dispel some rumors which are prevelant on your campus.
>"What would you do if your brother was beaten up by a gang of
>skinheads?  What if your brother were gay?"       ^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^

It's a rumour that all skinheads are facist fag-bashers.

I have an address for a gay skinhead magazine in England if
anyone would like information on it.

As for some slogans, how about "STRONG ENOUGH FOR A MAN, BUT
MADE FOR A WOMAN" ;)


Hugs,

Emily
From: vaughan8670@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Colorado's #2 What Northern Iowa is doing, at least the gay community
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:37:43 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello, This is in regards to #2 in Colorado.  I came from the UNIGLO meeting
just Thursday night(central Standard Time 8:45 p.m.) and One of the things
mentioned was the fact that the constitution in Colorado was ammended with the
garbage it has.  One of the things that the community of UNI will be doing is
writting to the Colorado Tourist information and letting them know, "Hey, a lot
of Iowans will not be going to Colorado if this Ammendment isn't repealed"-Sort
of statement.  I know that there are other things that could be done, but Why
not involve their heavy Tourist Trap cities?  I mean, if the other states with
heavy Bi/gay/lesbian populations keep calling Colorado's Tourist Info line, and
saying they won't come to Colorado if the law is upheld, then....?  Who knows? 
Maybe the area will be affected through their pocketbooks?  Don't know.  I wish
I had the number for the Tourist Info, but my wife has it, and I couldn't get
it from her before I started work.

Sorry, but I will post that number again, or anyone can write an Email message
to me and I can write back to you with the number.

Thanks for reading me out, If you don't agree, or if you have any other
suggestions, please let me know.
Timothy
p.s.To those who wrote to my last post, Thank you.
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: shouting in my own ear
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <memo.729553@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>And to you Dave, it was a shame that Bethan, Angi and I weren't able 
>to go to the party, but I hope it was a  corker. Many headaches 
>nursed?
>
>I SAID, MANY HEADACHES NURSED?
>;-)
>
Oooh, not so loud, please -- I still haven't worked out how I managed to
get home in less time than it took me to get there....

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: PC (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:39:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.060947.9856@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.
EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>Those of you with no taste for a PC-ness discussion, have your killfiles
>ready.  You have been warned.  I've ducked this stuff one time too many.
>
>sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:
>:Liberation is not "Don't say bad things about me."  Liberation is "Fuck you,
>:I don't care what you think."  That's why PC-speak is so stupid.
>
>So speaks a white male.

So speaks a human being.  So types a human hand.  So thinks a human mind.
This "white male" crap is not worthy of a response.  I will not have what
I say devalued because of my race and my gender.  Sexist!  Racist!  I puke
on your PC-ness, since it's so obviously a lie.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:13:11 GMT

mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

>When I shop for jewellery (often with street-traders), I find I don't
>want an ankh (bad religious vibes); 

Hang on, isn't it an Egyptian symbol of life? I wear an ankh suspended from
a dolphin-ring and chain on occasion.

>               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--

Neat. Yours?

Tanaqui


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:49:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.201110.6529@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>Well, I think I've mentioned this before -- when I am involved with/infatuated
>with someone of a given sex I seem to pay more attention to their sex
>in general. Usually, swings of this nature tend to take a time scale of
>months -- though hugging the right people tends to remind me quickly why
>I am bi ;)
>
I wasn't really aware of my own "bi-cycle" until *very* recently when
I realised it was very closely tied to more general {seriously depressed,
normal} mood swings, along, to a certain extent, with my sex-drive.
When I'm feeling really down, my libido turns off, so, in a sense, I'm
equally attracted (ie not mucch at all).  On an upswing in mood, the
libido increases without, at first, a change of attraction.  Then comes
a noticeable shift in attraction towards women.  The downswing sort
of follows the reverse pattern.  I'm sure this says something about
my underlying sexuality -- quite possibly that it's low Kinsey despite
all evidence being to the contrary.  The cycle operates of unpredictable
external triggers -- which is possibly why it took me so long to figure
out that it was there at all!

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:23:19 GMT

In article <BxFFzH.Lsr@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>There's no need to look for spiritual explanations of perfectly
>rational acts.

Then why are so many people doing it, Graham?
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My inner man
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:53:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, Oxford University, UK
In-reply-to: s882916@otto's message of 11 Nov 92 04:32:48 GMT

In article <s882916.721456368@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:

>  It's very interesting to read the stuff about New Agers and the men
>  wanting to reach their "inner woman". I don't have an inner man and
>  have never meet a woman that does or wants to reach it. All this
>  smacks of sexism, ie Men and women are "different but equal" BLAH!!!!

My first response to this was that "different but equal" originally was
an anti-sexist slogan -- at the time the other side were claiming that
women are inherently inferior to men, less capable, etc.  Some
interpretations of the sentence fragment "different but equal" are
valid...  Men & women are obviously different biologically, and some of
us wishy-washy liberals like to think of all people as equal in some
abstract moral sense.  But I know what you mean.


>    The only man I have in me is when I allow my male lovers entry to
>  myself ( on a different but related subject. Does anyone know of a
>  better word than penetration? I hate that word and are continually
>  searching for another)

"Genital embrace" is favoured by some.  Its about the only one I can
think of off the top of my head which does not imply a division into
active penetrater and a passive penetrated person.  No doubt there is
some term you could lift from the Karma Sutra.

If you like short words, "fuck" originally referred to penetration
exclusively (fuck = plough).  This requires the person you are
addressing to know the difference between "fucking", "having sex" and
"making love".


>  Inner man. GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Presumably "inner woman" people would claim that a woman touches her
"inner man" by taking control of her own life, taking the lead in sex,
having a career, wearing trousers, and so on.  In other words, all the
things you do that 1950s men claimed only men can do require you to get
in touch with your "inner man".  

The only way to make sense of this is to decide that "inner man" and
"inner woman" (or "masculine side" and "feminine side") have nothing
whatever to do with actual men and women, they are just arbitrary labels
for particular character traits, which happen to coincide with the
neanderthal views of pre-feminists.  Or maybe it's a rhetorical device:
where I would say I am challenging traditional stereotypes of male
behaviour, they would say I am contacting my inner femininity or
somesuch.

Cheers
Damian
From: mreape@cs.tcd.ie (Mike Reape)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Genre article
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:24:57 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)

In article <1992Nov3.134540.10981@harlqn.co.uk> daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>   In Gamma (Gay and Married Men), what did I hear over and over from
>>men just coming out of the closet?  "My wife would rather I cheated
>>with another woman.  That way, she'd have something to compete with!"
>
>I've also heard the opposite -- "I don't mind him sleeping with men,
>because that's something I can't offer him myself, but I won't let him
>sleep with another woman".  And the same with the sexes reversed.  In
>fact I couldn't say that I've heard one way round more than the other.
>Maybe this is a difference between gay counselling situations and bisexual
>counselling situations?
>
>Dave.

What's the difference?  I'm bi and been married for 15 years and my
wife doesn't want me sleeping with anybody but her.  Maybe she is just
very enlightened or maybe just old-fashioned ... ?  I dunno.  Me being
bi has never been an issue in our marriage.  It just means that we
both look at men and compare notes, which is kinda fun.

You make your rules up going in and you should stick to them until and
if you both decide to change them (whatever the sexual permuations
are).  Someone said something similar a while back but I've lost the
posting.

I admit that if you are married and you decide you're gay (not bi)
you've got a serious problem.  But as a dedicated bisexual, I don't
believe a lot of these guys are really gay.  Just look at Tom
Robinson.  He says he doesn't know what he is anymore.  Go Tommo.  I
don't know either and I don't care.  Does it really matter ... ?

Flame away,

-Mike
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