From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
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Date: 8 Jan 93 05:33:23 GMT
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Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1ij0etINNqds@cae.cad.gatech.edu> noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White) writes:
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>    I saw the DS9 premier yesterday and to make a long story short, it sucked. It


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>was riddled with incosistancies and contardiction. For instance when Commander Sisko
>is captured by the aliens they threaten to kill him, yet later on the aliens say they
>have no comprension of death. Also if these aliens are in a non-linear dimension (in
>terms of time) it would be impossible for them to coexist with a creature from a linear
>time dimension.


	The whole idea of something "living" in nonliner time is absurd.
	It makes for cutesy sci-fi scenes where some hack writer can pretent
	to describe some mystical nature of time and memory, but it's
	complete garbage.

	In any case, if something lived non-linearly,
	the non-linear being (can't be beings, because reproduction
	becomes meaningless) would know, all at once, everything from
	the past and the present.  It would have known, before 
	interviewing sisko at all, all of what was to come--not just his
	interview, but everything from the beginning to the end of time.


> It would be sort of like us being able to see a _true_ 2 dimentional
>object. There are no such things as all matter as we know it exists in 3 dimensions.
>The only part I did like was the beginning battle scenes, the rest was trash and so was
>the acting.


	No, it's more like modern wormhole theory (not crap-startrek 
	wormholes, real theory) that says that the microwormholes
	(they have a different name--wormholes between universes 
	smaller than an electrol) would carry information back and forth
	from one universe to another, but do it all at once.  In other
	words, since time doesn't apply, information is meaningless--
	it cannot be anything but noise (even if it was, say, the new-york
	times at one end).


	I'm hopeful, but I thought DS9 was full of dissappointments;

	1.  Cheap morphing effect.  I'm *sick* of morphing.  Everytime
	I turn on the damn TV I either see morphing in shows or in
	commercials.  (Even Space Rangers, the pinnacle of cheap, had 
	morphing).  A girlfriend tells me that one of the soap operas she
	watches did a morphing scene.  

	2.  Stupid cute kid deal.  I hate the cute children dreck.
	Furthermore, what were the brat and his wife doing on a ship
	that was going into battle against the Borg?  Why didn't they stop
	to drop them off on the way ? 

	3.  Stupid wife-loss-angst deal.  Boring plot that's been done
	so many times that it's stupid.  You have to forgive yourself before
	you can continue living and all that bunk.

	4.  Stupid over-done guy-in-white-light bit.  Too long, 
	stupid, inconsistent philosophy, BAD writing.  I wanted to
	strangle that little rugrat the third or fourth (and the ten
	times after) time he said, "blah, What is this?"

	5. Stupid picard-conflict deal.  See #2, 3.

	6. Dumb, moronic, absolutely stupid "Hey, let's take this
	cattletrain to the wormhole".  Like the station is going to have
	manuevering thrusters that can outrace the cardassians SHIP 
	drives?  

	7.  Stupid fake-guns trick.  It's a wonder the cardassians 
	supposedly won any battles at all against the federation during
	the war. 

	8.  Real lame, I_think_I'll_go_to_sleep_now, boring theme song.
	Nicer titling than TNG, tho.

	9.  The sciFi channel wont have to cut this sucker at all 
	to put commercials in.  Ever 6 minutes?  8 maybe?

	And the biggie:  The promos all had scenes of the Borg battle,
	which occupied an actual--what--5 minutes of the show?  I was looking
	forward to some confrontation (i.e., the borg on the other side
	of the worm hole, maybe opening into borg space, where they
	would have to compete with the borg on home ground--and any other
	race that managed to outfight/outcompete the borg and survive 
	[forced evolution]).  Unfortunately, no, it looks like the
	wormhole is going to become a commercial center.

	Oh joy.  Commercial center.  Exciting.
	
	Good points:  Doctor looks fun.  Trill chick is attractive.
	First officer (whatever she is) might be fun if she learns to act.
	FERENGI!! (love'em), hopefully we'll see some violence, but I
	don't think we will.  DS9 looksmore like some sort of SF version
	of Little House on the Prarie, but with poor writing.  Or maybe
	Highway to Heaven, but that's got too much action.  Maybe 
	Mr. Rodgers, but at least he bothers to check what he says
	with, say, a high school student.

	Real good scene ejecting from the exploding ship, though.  The
	rest of the effects were so/so.  (i.e. they weren't much better
	than those computer generated listerine commercials, which had
	a better soundtrack [baltimora?])

	Which brings me to my complaint against TNG & DS9.  Both of 
	them must be written by sociology majors or something.  Have these
	people ever picked up a science textbook??  Or even a copy of
	Discover (at *least*)??  The number of errors and STUPID buzzwords
	(neutron densometer, "oops, we hit a cosmic string fragment!") are
	infuriating.  Finally, they obviosly haven't bothered to actually
	think out their plots.  A BLOCKADE IN SPACE??  Are they 
	mouth breathers who can't think at all in 3d?  How big was this
	blocade that it wouldn't take an extra 30 seconds to make the 
	long way around at warp 9?

	God, read at LEAST Brief History and Schrodengers Cat..
	(Or even ask a freshman physics major, for chrissake)

	I have hope, but not much.  After they gelded the borg (Hey,
	I know!  Let's put them to sleep!  No security program
	there.. And the borg of course never ran into anyone as 
	clever as us!), I was hoping the cardassians would be heading
	to war, but it looks like it'll be another 4 years of 
	cruising around where-lots-of-federation-ships-have-gone-a-lot-
	before dealing with personal problems.
	
	To be honest, I kind of liked Space Rangers better.  Sure it
	was cheap (god save us from the fake shaking camera and stupid
	flight-effects.  Their starfield needs a LOT of work..) but it was
	active, not some passive bore.

	Helpme, Babylon-5, I need your help.  Help me, Babylon-5, I need
	your help.

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