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From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Michael Moorcock's Swords Trilogy
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:48:08 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:

>  5. Any other books by M. Moorcock?

Moorcock has been rather prolific over the years.  A list of his
books in one of my bookcases follows.  Note that his publishers have
a really nasty habit of renaming his books between UK and US editions.
In no partictular order:

The Blood Red Game
The Rituals of Infinity
The Time Dweller
The Black Corridor
The Ice Schooner
The Eternal Champion
Phoenix In Obsidian
The Dragon In The Sword
Elric Of Melnibone
The Sailor on the Seas of Fate
The Weird of the White Wolf
The Vanishing Tower
The Bane of the Black Sword
Stormbringer
Elric At The End Of Time
The Fortress Of the Pearl
The Jewel In The Skull
The Mad God's Amulet
The Runestaff
The Knight of the Swords
The Queen of the Swords
The King of the Swords
The Bull and the Spear
The Oak and the Ram
The Sword and the Stallion
City of the Beast
Lord of the Spiders
Masters of the Pit
Count Brass
The Champion of Garathorm
The Quest for Tanelorn
The Final Programme
A Cure For Cancer
The English Assassin
The Condition Of Muzak
The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius
The Entropy Tango
The Adventures of Una Persson and Catherine Cornelius in the Twentieth Century
The Alchemist's Question
Behold the Man
The War Hound and the World's Pain
The Warlord of the Air
The Land Leviathan
The Steel Tsar
Moorcock's Book Of Martyrs
The Winds of Limbo
An Alien Heat
The Hollow Lands
The End of all Songs
A Messiah At The End of Time
Legends From The End of Time
Breakfast In The Ruins
The Shores of Death
The Time of the Hawklords (written with Michael Butterworth)
The Golden Barge
Gloriana or The Unfulfill'd Queen
Byzantium Endures
The Laughter of Carthage

He also edited a number of books titled -
Best SF Storis from New Worlds x
New Worlds Quarterly #x

Also note that the above is by no means a complete list, as I have a few books
out on loan, and a few I don't yet own....

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Subject: Re: Dune group or mailing list
From: cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:17:36 GMT
Organization: Dept of CompSci, U of Auckland

wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>In article <131592@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor) writes:
>> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
>>> 
>>>  alt.fan.frank-herbert . . .
>>
>>That's the one, Matthias.
>>--
>Yes, I agree.  

sounds great to me (but then I pay for mail and not News),

Is a newsgroup really justified, there doesn't seem to be *much*
discussion of the subject currently, a mailing list might be better

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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Beyond the Fall of Night
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:42:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.202946.11089@MorningStar.Com> chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller) writes:

>I just finished reading _Beyond the Fall of Night_  and would like to hear
>the net.consensus on this one.  

There is none, son, any more than there is about anything else.  Ask what one
plus one makes and you'll get a chorus of:

	"two"
	"ten"
	"what's 'one'?"
	"what's 'plus'?"

etc.

>The book is by Arthur C. Clarke and Gregory
>Berenford (sp?) , but is based on and earlier Clarke work called 
>_Against the Fall of Night_.

First off, that's "Benford."  Gregory Benford is one of the best-respected
hard-SF writers in the field today.  Highly recommended are his novel TIMESCAPE
and his short story "Mozart on Morphine."

Second, what it is actually *is* an earlier work by Clarke, with a sequel by
Benford.  "Against the Fall of Night" is one of my all-time favorite Clarke
yarns, with the sense of paramystical transcendence that makes works like
CHILDHOOD'S END and 2001 really click.  Clarke has always preferred the longer,
revised version, THE CITY AND THE STARS, which has its own wonderfulnesses, but
(imio) lacks the charm of the original.

Benford's sequel is a great disappointment, to me at least.  It might have
made an excellent story on its own, but as a sequel to "Against. . ." it was
such a radical jerk in style and content that it simply didn't flow, didn't
make "a book" out of the two.


>Does anyone know of authors other than Clarke who do this kind of writing?

The name that comes *immediately* to mind is Greg Bear, who manages the same
kind of "hard science transcendentalism" in books like BLOOD MUSIC and EON.


		He's got a mask that's black and white
		  Mine's just black but that's all right
		In silence and cunning he plies his trade
		  I ply mine in silence and shade
		[. . .]
		In the heart of the city it's murder time
		  It ain't no crime to kill a mime
			-- "Killing a Mime" by Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: stevena@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: "slow glass": story reference sought
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:32:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Thanks to all who helped.  As I was informed, the particular story
is "Light of Other Days", by Bob Shaw, originally published in
Analog (copyright 1966), and it is collected in:

	* SF 12, Judith Merrill, ed., 1968

	* A Science Fiction Argosy, Damon Knight, ed., 1972

	* World's Best Science Fiction: 1967

	* Nebula 2

and several other places.

Also, it is one of several stories by Shaw using slow glass.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Comp Sci grad student                           stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
& non-practicing lawyer extraordinaire
{I'm really wonderful at not practicing}
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Michael Moorcock's connection with Hawkwind
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:15:17 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <24256@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

>Yes. the books "Time of the Hawklords" and "Queens of Deliria" are
>comic-book style novels and very badly written. Moorcock denies any
>connection with them. Unfortunately I don't know more than that.

I own a copy of _Time of the Hawklords_  It is quite amusing, almost a
spoof of Moorcock's work, like "The Stone Thing" from _Elric at the End of
Time_ 

"He shouldered his great black bass, 'bonebreaker' who all men feared and
all women loved"

I'd be willing to sell my copy to a hardcore Moorcock/Hawkwind fan.  Make
me an offer.
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From: d88-bli@dront.nada.kth.se (Bo Lindbergh)
Subject: Re: Dave Duncan's A MAN OF HIS WORD
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:19:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.011459.10477@panix.com> gbs@panix.com (Eric Braun) writes:
> Luckily, Dave Duncan's next series, A HANDFUL OF MEN, won't come out
> at the rate of one title a year--it'll be one every six months.

Hallelujah!  Ballantine sees the light!!  (Part of it, anyway...)

> It will be out first in hardcover, though

Now we only have to convince them to publish hardcover and paperback
editions simultaneously.  All suggestions about how that might be done
are welcome... :-)
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From: gbs@panix.com (Eric Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dave Duncan's A MAN OF HIS WORD
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:14:59 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <13501@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>Ronald Louzon rightly praises A Man of His Word, and laments the fact that the
>next series will be in hardback at a volume a year. Well, he can console
>himself (if he hasn't discovered it already) with Duncan's first fantasy
>trilogy, The Reluctant Swordsman, his standalone fantasy novel A Rose-Red City,
>and any number of fine, offbeat SF novels like Shadow and West of January. 


Luckily, Dave Duncan's next series, A HANDFUL OF MEN, won't come out
at the rate of one title a year--it'll be one every six months.  It
will be out first in hardcover, though (with really nice covers by Jim
Burns!).  The first volume is called THE CUTTING EDGE.
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Maybe, Rabbit, Maybe(Re: Quantum Leap - Magnum Crossover)
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul27.051623.24876@crash.cts.com>, rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes...
>In <lskinner.35@emr.ca> lskinner@emr.ca (Lauren Skinner) writes:
> 
>>I had heard that there was going to be a crossover episode where
>>Sam leaps into Magnum PI.
>>
>>Is this a go?  Will we get to see it next year?
> 
>I believe Tom Selleck said "No Way!" to the project so it was tossed out.

That position may have changed since an article in TV Guide has stated that
Selleck wants to do some Magnum movies. The only holdout is John Hillerman,
since he is acting on stage currently. The possibility for him to do a 
Magnum/Leap story is still believable.


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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Even more 70s SF TV, Pt. II
Date: 29 Jul 1992 21:46:14 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <Jul.24.10.42.11.1992.7044@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>>Help, please?
>>1) This show I think was called "Wolfen", "Wolfman", or something like
>>   that.  The lead character was a guy (NAtive American, I think) who
>>   had wolf abilities or something like that.
>Sounds somewhat familiar, but cannot recall an exact title.

	The name "Lucan" springs to mind. Something about a boy 
raised by wolves and then 'citified' by scientists and then he 
wanders around causing trouble.  Of course, my brain could be 
just misfiring.
-- 
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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: B7: Servalan
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:26:44 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Jul22.102742.57428@cc.usu.edu> sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:
>2)  Safety. (i.e., consolidating your holdings)  Time and time again we
>see Servalan use her wiles to get something she wants:  information from
>the Clone Masters, Travis' loyalty (this is stronger with Travis I than with
>Travis II), and so forth.  I would give more examples, but I don't have
>immediate access to tapes.  She even tries to get Avon to change sides.

"In the end, winning is the only safety."
				- Avon

>     The concept is simply staggering.  Pointless, but staggering.
>                         -The Doctor (The Pirate Planet)

This is how I feel about my life a lot of the time. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I trusted [Ganelon] like a brother.  That is to say, not at all."
				- Roger Zelazny, _The_Guns_Of_Avalon_
Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.tv:2605 rec.arts.tv:15380 rec.arts.startrek.current:10719
From: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Subject: Re: B7:  Servalan
Keywords: B7 
Reply-To: davel@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (David Lord)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.173010.12830@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl> thomasp@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Thomas Payerle) writes:
|	Although I have no doubt that part of Servalan's advancement was do
|to sleeping with the right people, I think a better description (which
|includes the sleeping around) of her means of success was her ability to
|use people.  She was quite skillful at manipulation of people, although
|admittedly there were better.  But she also was completely cold-blooded
|in her use of people, and she didn't waste them, but made sure that she
|got every ounce of use she could out of them and then discarded the remains
|(which were usually dead or worse.)  She had absolutely no more compunctions 
|about using people.  Most people, even relatively "bad" people have some 
|(fortunately).  Her only qualms about shooting someone without reason would
|be that she might have been able to use them first.  It is, I think, this
|complete amorality which gave her the edge over those who were better
|strategists (and don't forget, she wasn't too bad herself as a strategist)

It seemed to me that one of the great weeknesses of the story (and there
were many) was that Servalan could find so many people to work for her /
be loyal to her. It seems to me that in very short order it would have
been widely known that working for Servalan was always a short trip to
the grave. On the other hand I never quite understood why the rest of
the B7 crew never shoved Evon out the airlock. I would have if I'd been
on that ship. People who only think of themselves don't often gain the
loyalty of others.
From: jcd@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Jonathan.Day)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Blake's 7 Question answered
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:57:33 GMT
Reply-To: jcd@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 3IA@world.std.com, MDuPree@world.std.com (Micky DuPree) writes:
>I swore I'd never answer another B7 post again after the flights of
>fancy that had been going on (others are taking that tack, too), but I'm
>going to see if sticking simply to factual information is safe.
>
>In article <1992Jul20.234356.18624\@bacchus.esa.oz.au>
>kat\@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen) writes:
>>The auto-repair is demonstrated when Avon shorts out the teleport
>>deliberately in front of Jenna, to show her the auto-repair.  Probably
>>in the third episode.
>
>Close but a little off.  Avon demonstrates the auto-repair to Gan, not
>Jenna, in the fifth episode, "The Web."
>
>In article <7911\@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee\@ucs.adelaide.edu.au
>(Zebee Johnstone) writes:
>>The only bit with the guns was when they found out it would only let
>>them have one each - a plot device which was then instantly
>>forgotten....
>
>True.  The first person that we see fire a Liberator handgun is Vargas,
>the high priest of Cygnus Alpha.  If the Liberator crew practiced with
>them in that episode, they must have done it off-screen.
>
>Some sharp-eyed fan in the U.K. has said that he spotted a few *very*
>slight edits in the recent commercial BBC tapes.  The most significant
>one he described was a split-second missing from the big melee scene in
>"Cygnus Alpha," probably fastidiousness by the BBC about excess
>violence.  There's nothing major such as whole scenes or lines missing.
>
>-Micky
>

The security device on the Liberator weapons rack also appeared in the
first episode of the second series.

There was a fair bit sliced out of a fight scene in the computer room
on board the London. (I seem to remember that the whole of that scene
did appear in the "edited" tapes though!)
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Jul21.185248.13131@athena.mit.edu> amd@space.mit.edu (Ann  
M. Davis) writes:
> 
> >, hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship) writes:
> > The Museum of Science (Boston, MA, USA) put on a special planeterium  
(!)
> > show several years ago of "The Last Command" (? on title).  A  
computer is
> > asked "Can Entropy be Reversed?", i.e., can the inevitable heat death  
of
> > the universe be avoided.  Of thousands of the millenia, evermore  
powerful
> > computers are asked the same question.  Finally, the universe is  
dead, except
> > for a last, computer, which ponders the question.  Finally, it  
answers the
> > question: yes.  And demonstrates it by creating a new universe.
> 
> Hey, I saw that!  It's one of those things I've never forgotten, and I
> don't think I was that old at the time.  I know it was based on an  
Isaac
> Asimov story, but I can never remember the title either.  I *think* it
> was _The Final Question_
> 

Geez, both of you got part of the title right. The correct title
is "The Last Question."  The sky show wasn't limited to Boston. I saw
it 15 years or so ago in Pittsburgh, at the Buhl Planetarium.  It
was nicely done.

As for other productions of Asimov stories, HBO (I think) did a
nice version of The Ugly Little Boy.


--
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From: murphy@CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: 70's TV
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:33:34 GMT


	Actually there was an _ISIS_ comic book put out by DC in the
	seventies.  It was either a Wonder Woman spin-off or tie-in 
	and was about the same quality (or lack thereof) as 
	_SuperFriends_.
	---Better Living in Four Colors---
						Keith Murphy
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From: jmacd@intacc.uucp (Jason MacDermott)
Subject: Re:  Shada video out now
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:25:27 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network


In article <9207171331.14056.0@win.icl.co.uk> lcc@win.icl.co.UK (Kerr Avon)  writes:
>>it is being sold together with original scripts for the story.
>
>To make the package more attractive?  Perhaps.
>
>To make the package ridiculously expensive?  Certainly!
>
>I would probably have bought _Shada_ too (since it was by Douglas Adams,
>and for curiousity value), if it had been reasonably priced.
>
>I can see no justification for charging such a high price.
>
  For Doctor Who fans (such as myself), this tape is a blessing!  And there
are several justifications for the price hike, although I will admit the BBC
tend to overprice things anyway.
 
  First off, more material was shot for this video, and special effects were
added.  It wasn't just a television story slapped onto video tape.  
 
  Second, I'm sure any fan of the series (and many fans of Douglas Adams) will
appreciate the scripts, as they have never been seen before.  The story hasn't
been novelised either, unlike most of the Doctor Who stories.  Plus it will
assist in filling-in the unrecorded parts of the story.  
 
  Third, if they didn't raise the price, how would they pay Douglas Adams?
 
  Hey, at least it's being released in the U.K.  Here in Canada and the U.S.
we will probably have to wait a year or so - IF it's released at all over
here!  I'd be happy to pay my $40 for it.
 
  Jason MacDermott
jmacd@intacc.uucp
 
the Chronicles of a Time Lord BBS
(416)823-7186 / 24 hrs / 2400 bps
Dr. Who Support in Toronto, Ont.
From: hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:13:21 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

The Museum of Science (Boston, MA, USA) put on a special planeterium (!)
show several years ago of "The Last Command" (? on title).  A computer is
asked "Can Entropy be Reversed?", i.e., can the inevitable heat death of
the universe be avoided.  Of thousands of the millenia, evermore powerful
computers are asked the same question.  Finally, the universe is dead, except
for a last, computer, which ponders the question.  Finally, it answers the
question: yes.  And demonstrates it by creating a new universe.

-- 
"Is that real blood?" 
Howard_Ship@vos.stratus.com
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From: thomasp@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Thomas Payerle)
Subject: Re: B7:  Servalan
Keywords:  B7 
Organization: NIKHEFK
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.102742.57428@cc.usu.edu> sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:
Regarding the morality of B7 characters

>Servalan is easy:  she doesn't have one.  Her motivations are three:
>ambition, safety, and pleasure, in that order. 

Actually, I think all those three are largely the same thing to Servalan.

>
>1)  Ambition.  Is there anybody out there who doesn't think that she
>slept her way to the top?  I'm not saying that she isn't a good tactician
>and strategist, but we've seen lots who were better--Jarvik for one.  A
>big part of climbing the ladder is getting to know the right people and
>getting into the right position for advancement.  (pun not entirely 
>unintentional) 
	Although I have no doubt that part of Servalan's advancement was do
to sleeping with the right people, I think a better description (which
includes the sleeping around) of her means of success was her ability to
use people.  She was quite skillful at manipulation of people, although
admittedly there were better.  But she also was completely cold-blooded
in her use of people, and she didn't waste them, but made sure that she
got every ounce of use she could out of them and then discarded the remains
(which were usually dead or worse.)  She had absolutely no more compunctions 
about using people.  Most people, even relatively "bad" people have some 
(fortunately).  Her only qualms about shooting someone without reason would
be that she might have been able to use them first.  It is, I think, this
complete amorality which gave her the edge over those who were better
strategists (and don't forget, she wasn't too bad herself as a strategist)

> Unfortunately, we don't see much of this because by
>the time we meet Servalan, she's already Supreme Commander, so there's not
>a long way up still to go.  
	There was some information about Servalan's ambitions and her methods of
attaining them in the episode Pressure Point (I think that's the title-- the
episode wherein Gan dies.  Sorry don't have a guidebook with me).  In this
episode, a former instructor/victim of Servalan's, now turned rebel, commented
that her early success (at least) was do largely to knowing the right people.
I don't believe it was stated just how intimate that knowledge was, though.


				Tom Payerle

"A man who trusts cannot be betrayed, only mistaken"

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