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From: 92mdb@vax.cc.williams.edu (Hayduke lives!)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: OZONE DEPLETION IS A HOAX!
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:44:00 GMT
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <ByuaJB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com>, orson@bluemoon.rn.com (Craig Smith) writes...
>If CFC's break down into chlorine, which depletes the ozone, we should 
>have
>no ozone in city air polution, since most of the CFC's are in the cities.

It turns out that ultraviolet light is required to catalyse the cleavage
of CFC's into chlorine free radicals.  In the cities, very little UV light
of the correct frequencya gets through.  Of course, this light
doesn't get through thanks to the ozone layer.  Hence, a CFC does not
get broken down until it reaches the upper atmosphere.

>How can an extremely inert gas (that is one of the reasons CFC's are used
>is their chemical inertness) which weights much more than the surround
>air (another reason for using CFC's), how do they get to the stratosphere
>and how do they break down into something extremely chemically active,
>namely chlorine gas?

Exactly as I said above.  Don't assume that density is the only consideration.
Ozone (MW = 48) is technically heavier than air (MW = 29), yet there it is,
way up there.  Temperature has something to do with it.  So does pressure.
(PV = nRT)  I tend to believe the vortex idea--the molecules are swept up
into the upper atmosphere in higher temperature swirls of air.

The next logical question is:  why don't chlorines from other sources make
it up there the same way?  You have provided the answer yourself:  CFC's
are unusually inert.  Free Cl2 will form reactive radicals.  Salt (NaCl) is
not at all the same as free chlorine--the Cl here is an anion species which
is very unreactive and even less volatile.  Thus, you need a stable molecule
to survive the vortex process.

You may also say, "well, you can't prove any of this."  To which I respond,
"You can do no better to prove otherwise.  In fact you will probably do 
worse.  So what is the wise action--do nothing or work on phasing out
these compounds?"  

>:: Craig E. Smith      "Life is a fulltime occupation" -- Gene Kallman ::

--Michael Bruce
From: env-link+@andrew.cmu.edu (Student Enviro-Link)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: anybody out there?
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:28:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The best way that I can see to swap such ideas is by becoming involved
in EnviroLink, which is a FREE network on Internet that reaches over
200,000 environmentalists in 29 countries. Discussions and announcements
on EnviroLink are very much like what you had detailed in your previous
message and more.

If anyone would like more information, please feel free to drop a note to:
<env-link@andrew.cmu.edu>

Thanks,
Student EnviroLink                                                         
<env-link@andrew.cmu.edu>             Keep the information flowin'      
                                                 
Josh Knauer, Administrator            and the trees will keep growin'!  
                                           
Telephone: (412) 268-4572                                               
        
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: gurd@wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Subject: Gas Guzzler Tax
Followup-To: None
Summary: MD enacts gas guzzler tax/gas miser credit
Keywords: MD, General Assembly
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:02:28 GMT

	On Friday Night the MD General Assembly passed a new budget.  They will reconvene soon to pass
a tax package to fund the budget.  Part of the new package is a "first of it's kind" gas guzzler/gas
miser tax/credit.  Starting in June Marylanders who buy new cars whos gas EPA overall gas mileage is
lower than 22 mpg. will pay a title tax of 6% instead of the normal 5%.  Also Marylanders who purchase
new cars which get over 32 mpg. overall will only pay 4% instead of the normal 5% titling tax.  Since
the cars that tend to get worse mileage are more expensive and more popular than the high mileage cars
this will help raise upwards of 25 million dollars a year.  This money will go to help fund mass transit
within the state.  Specifically Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties will have the state pick up
100% of their operating cost for mass transit services within their jurisdictions, currently the state
only pays 75% of the cost.  Most of these services are provided by the Washington Metropolitan Area
Transit Authority, although Montgomery County has it's own bus service and the state provides some
mass transit through the MARC (Maryland Rail Commuter) service, and MTA Flyer busses.  This example
should set a model for all states grappling with trying to meet Federal Clean Air Standards and balance
budgets.  I commend the MD General Assembly on their action, which hopefully will set an example for
the rest of the nation.

Dharm Guruswamy
gurd@wam.umd.edu
sophomore urban studies & planning major.
From: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: anybody out there?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:57:00 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <4559@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk ( **Michael**) writes:
> Good morning/evening/summer/winter or not as the case may be.
> 
> Anybody out there belong to any environmental (or green [which *DOES* include animal
> rights (see 1)]) groups who'd like to swap ideas about campaigns, empowering people or
> just about current ecoaffairs?
> 
> I'm quite heavily involved in Manchester Friends of the Earth (one of the 350 or so
> local groups in England, Wales and Northern Ireland), have also set up an environment
> network for Greater Manchester and have been on a few Earth First! demos.
> 
> If you'd like to swap ideas etc then contact me direct at the below address, especially if
> you are in Brazil, East Europe or somewhere more exotic than wet rainy Manchester!!
> 
> Note 1: of all the animal rights activists I know they are ALL green/ecofriendly
> minded (the inverse is, unfortunately, NOT the case) thus showing that animal rights
> ARE an intractible part of the (a?) green way of life.
> 
> 
> Hoping to hear from you (soon!),
> 
> Michael Bane
> University of Manchester, UK
> email: bane@vortex.ma.man.ac.uk
> 
Dear Michael
I have just read you letter with some interest and confusion.
I myself do not understand why someone like yourself cares about the 
environment of a country like Brazil when your own goverment encourages
the clearage of the forrests.
Also if you took your belief in saving the environment seriously, why do you
not use carrier pigion mail instead of a computer, think of all the bad
computer factories and plastics factories and petrochemical factories
that where needed to produce the termimal that you are using, nevermind
the nuclear power plant that is required to produce the power to send your
message.
If you had your way what action would you take to improve the environment
that would not cause even more hunger and poverty in the third world?
The people of the third world just want the same standard of living as you
do, so what right has anybody got to tell them they cannot have it because
you think that the rain forrest must be saved?

signed
I D (chemical engineer)

p.s. if you have any comments about this please use Email
From: csuac@warwick.ac.uk (The Juggler)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Greenpeace
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:24:59 GMT
Distribution: alt.save.the.earth
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Posted for a freind...

From: A68ls@uk.ac.pel

I am a member of GREENPEACE, so what?
Ben.

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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Cars& Motorcycles
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:28:28 GMT

In article <N4RoiB2w164w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca> marijka@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Sara Malabar) writes:
>I will try to explain,some the envirementalist views,it 's not the 
>running out of oil that concerns most of us it's the fact that the 
>exhaust from cars is ruining the air we breathe,we appreciate the desire 
>for alternately powered vehicles we ask that you car pool when ever 
>possible,I don't think that you are the people that we're all worried 
>about,you seem to be aware of the problem,most aren't the people we're 
>talking to drive 2 blocks to the 7=11 because they are to lazy to walk or 
>the ones know that there driving the saME WAY AS THERE FRIEND everyday at 
>the same time and yet they continue to use one car each,and I don't know 
>any one that has a problem with motorcycles.In fact I love them.
>
>marijka@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
>The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607

Exactly.  Thankyou for posting this.
The alternatives will come eventually.

Marty O.

'87 250 ninja type rider person
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk ( **Michael**)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: anybody out there?
Keywords: Friends of the Earth, Earth First!
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:04:04 GMT
Organization: thesis-writing ecofreaks unlimited

Good morning/evening/summer/winter or not as the case may be.

Anybody out there belong to any environmental (or green [which *DOES* include animal
rights (see 1)]) groups who'd like to swap ideas about campaigns, empowering people or
just about current ecoaffairs?

I'm quite heavily involved in Manchester Friends of the Earth (one of the 350 or so
local groups in England, Wales and Northern Ireland), have also set up an environment
network for Greater Manchester and have been on a few Earth First! demos.

If you'd like to swap ideas etc then contact me direct at the below address, especially if
you are in Brazil, East Europe or somewhere more exotic than wet rainy Manchester!!

Note 1: of all the animal rights activists I know they are ALL green/ecofriendly
minded (the inverse is, unfortunately, NOT the case) thus showing that animal rights
ARE an intractible part of the (a?) green way of life.


Hoping to hear from you (soon!),

Michael Bane
University of Manchester, UK
email: bane@vortex.ma.man.ac.uk


(I suppose you want a quote now? Oh well, how about this:
"The greatest use of life is to spend it for something that will
outlast it."  (William James).

that okay?....)
From: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: engineering and the enviroment
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:21:13 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

The environment is safe in the hands of scientists and engineers.
Why,because organisations such as Greenpeace,although have made the 
public more aware of environmental issues and in some cases have
won a case or two, will never shut down petrochemical plants or
any other kind of plant for that matter.
Everybody complains about ICI plants on the Mersey polluting the
river but this is a nessary devil because it keeps people in work,
it produces the raw materials for plastics that all the veggies
out there need for shoes etc and it produces the pharmacuticals
that we all need from time to time.
Goverment controls on pullution into the environment have been up dated
since the industrial revolution, and as the technology inproves to
help processes become more "environmentally friendly", pollution from
chemical plants will decrease.
We all need industry to maintan our standard of living and it would
foolish to throw this away, because the Brazillians would open up these
plants along the Amozon.
So people if you really want to save the world become an engineer or
a scientist.

ID (chemical engineer)

ps
if you would like to reply to this then please use Email.
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: murfeypj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Dr. Caldicott and FREE health care
Reply-To: murfeypj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:32:44 GMT

When Dr. Caldicott speaks of "free" medical care, she means that the
patient does not have to pay for the services when they are recieved.
They are paid for, of course, with tax revenues. This allocates 
the expenses associated with medical care very well: pay what you can,
get what you need.


	    Pete Murfey		MurfeyPJ@rosevc.Rose-Hulman.edu

              //=\\    	       
             //   \\           	Don't ask what you can do for your country,
                   \/          	ask what you can do for your planet.
           /\            	
          // RECYCLE \\         Please God, save us from ourselves.
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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: followup to an old post about apathy
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:49:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.045646.7516@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dave Cohen writes:
>What about an apathetic campus?  People won't get interested unless you
>make it known that there is something important.  Here at Stanford, there
>is a major environmental emphasis:  We have campus recycling organizations
(well, I dunno if that's plural or not) that organize recycling efforts and
>come to speak in the dorms, we have environmental reps in the dorms/halls
>to transmit news and encourage people to recycle, and (here's the biggie)
>we have recycling bins for apparently every known substance outside every
>dorm, and white paper bins in every computer cluster.  Most rooms have
>trashcans/boxes/grocery sacks devoted to collecting recyclables.

Also, volunteers from the Stanford Recycling Center haul away all the
stuff put into bins on a regular basis further minimizing the amount
of work individuals have to put in to recycle.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@adobe.com
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: Dave Cohen
Subject: followup to an old post about apathy
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:56:46 GMT

In article <kdm4TOS00Uh_4=N1F=@andrew.cmu.edu> Student Enviro-Link
<env-link+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>     [stuff]

>...the [question] that was originally
>asked, and is a valid concern of students on university campuses:
>
>What ideas of combatting environmental apathy on campuses have worked?
>
>We're not talking elections here.  I mean actually getting students
>involved in recycling and other environmental issues.  Obviously strong
>leadership, etc. is good.  But what about an apathetic campus?
>
>Thanks,
>Student EnviroLink                                                         
><env-link@andrew.cmu.edu>             Keep the information flowin'      
>                                                 
>Josh Knauer, Administrator            and the trees will keep growin'!  
>                                           
>Telephone: (412) 268-4572                                               
>        


What about an apathetic campus?  People won't get interested unless you make it
known that there is something important.  Here at Stanford, there is a major
environmental emphasis:  We have campus recycling organizations (well, I dunno
if that's plural or not) that organize recycling efforts and come to speak in
the dorms, we have environmental reps in the dorms/halls to transmit news and
encourage people to recycle, and (here's the biggie) we have recycling bins for
apparently every known substance outside every dorm, and white paper bins in
every computer cluster.  Most rooms have trashcans/boxes/grocery sacks devoted
to 
collecting recyclables.  (I dunno about the academic buildings situation.) 
Make it clear that chucking paper, cans, and glass will be frowned upon; and
make recycling easy to do.  Recycling is an in thing.  Keep beating the point
in, and go for publicity--people will catch on.  Here, even that most NON-pc of
organizations, the Stanford Band, recycles its (ahem) cans and bottles.  The
results here are that Stanford met its state-mandated goal of 25% recycling 5
years early.

		--Dave
From: orson@bluemoon.rn.com (Craig Smith)
Subject: OZONE DEPLETION IS A HOAX!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:21:22 EDT

If chlorine gas depletes ozone, we should have seen all ozone disappear
years ago due to the constant, everyday, injection of chlorine gas into
the stratosphere from volcanos.

If CFC's break down into chlorine, which depletes the ozone, we should 
have
no ozone in city air polution, since most of the CFC's are in the cities.

How can an extremely inert gas (that is one of the reasons CFC's are used
is their chemical inertness) which weights much more than the surround
air (another reason for using CFC's), how do they get to the stratosphere
and how do they break down into something extremely chemically active,
namely chlorine gas?

Someone explain this madness to me.

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Craig E. Smith      "Life is a fulltime occupation" -- Gene Kallman ::
:: Columbus, Ohio                                                      ::
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From: jhartnet@sedona.intel.com (James Hartnett~)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Green party mailing lists
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:56:32 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Originator: jhartnet@draco



	Are there any green party mailing lists. I'm an Arizona Green and
would like to read about what's happening in other states. If there are any
 out there, I would like to subscribe to them.

	If you live in Arizona and haven't signed our petition please do so.
We are at most major events, ASU, and the Pheonix zoo on  weekends. We need 14000
signatures to be able to list candidates on the 92 state election forms. We're
a few thousand short and the deadline is May 16. So, get out and sign.

						Thanks
							Jim

Nope: don't have a sig
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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Cars& Motorcycles
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <N4RoiB2w164w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca>, marijka@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Sara Malabar) writes:

|> the same time and yet they continue to use one car each,and I don't know 
|> any one that has a problem with motorcycles.In fact I love them.


Surprising considering that catalysed cars produce less pollution
than most motorcycles, especially two-strokes. I have figures on this,
if anybody is interested i`ll post them. 

Motorcycles are subject to far less stringent standards than cars and
only this year do some larger motorcycles have to have a catalysor, here
in Switzerland, whereas news cars have had to have them for years, even
though the cats on bikes are of the older open loop type (maybe 2-way,
i`m not sure).


|> marijka@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
|> The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: jpet@sabrina.inesc.pt (Paulo Espada Teixeira)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Greenpeace
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:33:11 GMT
Distribution: alt.save.the.earth
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL

HEI!
WHO WANT'S TO SAVE THE EARTH !!
I NEED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO ESTABLISH CONTACTS WITH SOME ONE
WHO BELONGS TO THE GREENPEACE .

PLEASE E-MAIL ME .
DON'T FORGET I AM NOT KIDDING .

SO PLEASE SAVE THE EARTH .
--

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques @ INESC
 Address : R. Alves Redol 9, 1000 Lisboa, PORTUGAL.
 e_mail : ajgam@sabrina.inesc.pt
 Phone Number : 351 1 3100225
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Blessent mon coeur / d'une langueur / monotone
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Xref: sparky alt.save.the.earth:542 talk.environment:1439
From: jpet@sabrina.inesc.pt (Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: GREENPEACE
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:59:56 GMT
Distribution: alt.save.the.earth
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL

Oi People !
Everything is O.K

Well first I want to say thank's to the people who e-mail me .
I want to establish contacts with some one who belongs to the
Greenpeace , for a very interesting deal .

Don't use CFC's .

--
_______________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________

 Name : Joao Paulo Medina Espada Teixeira
 Address : R. Alves Redol 9, 1000 Lisboa, PORTUGAL.
 e_mail : jpet@sabrina.inesc.pt
 Phone Number : 351 1 3100225

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Les sanglots longs / des violons / de l'automne
Blessent mon coeur / d'une langueur / monotone
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Xref: sparky alt.save.the.earth:549 talk.environment:1453
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 08:45:07 EDT
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Father Ricardo Rezende.

Before I send a postcard to Father Rezende and ask my friends to do
likewise, I'd like to know why he "disapproved" of this project.  Is he
afraid it could backfire?  Surely he knows the situation he's up against
better than anyone.

Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Subject: Re: diamanda galas in s.f.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:36:14 GMT

>|diamanda galas will be performing wednesday april 15th
>| at the palace of fine arts in san francisco


>	and she'll be appearing at the Opera House
>	in Toronto on Monday, April 27

		at Cabaret Metro, Chicago Saturday, April 12
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Art of Noise Discography?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:13:46 GMT

Hope this is the right group for this, the e in emusic doesn't tell me
a lot...

Does anyone have a comprehensive discography of the Art of Noise? If so,
please send me a copy...


                 Thanks,
                   Steven Ourada

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Ask me how Iowa State University is censoring my Usenet access!
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From: Damon Schechter
Subject: SPEAKERS FOR SALE
Reply-To: orkin@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 00:15:42 GMT


Acoustic Research 7 speakers:
	
	2 way bookshelf design
	audiophile quality cabinets
	12.75"x9.25"x5.75"
	8" woofer
	100 watt

	I am looking for $195/bo.

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