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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Lindros and Rheaume notes
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.154254.18552@bmerh85.bnr.ca> wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk) writes:
>  Let's get real here. The ONLY reason she is in camp, is to get Tampa some
>free publicity, and from your reaction (and ABC's) it is working perfectly. I
>can't fault Espo, he really is a snake oil salesman.
>
> Ms Rheaume resume reads as follows:
>
> - shared goakeeping duties in last Women's world championship
> - played 11 minutes of 1 period in a Quebec junior game. She allowed 3 goals
>   and had to leave after taking a shot to the head.
>

She supposed has played Junior B hockey in Quebec (or whatever the
second tier of junior hockey in Quebec is called).

> Impressive credentials indeed.
>
>If that's what it takes to get a try-out with Tampa, then they could have 
>invited 500 goalies to their camp who were at least if not better qualified.
>This situation is similar to the Ann Myers NBA try-out about 10 years ago. At
>that time the NBA was stuggling to get a National TV contract,- sound familiar?
>The only difference was that Ann Myers was closer to pro calibre than Ms Rheaume.
>

Noone is getting overly excited...she's not going to make the NHL or the
AHL, but it would be a great achievement to win a position on one of
Tampa's lower level minor league teams.

Gerald

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From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever/PENS #2
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:11:46 GMT

Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Stan Fischler is undoubtedly correct in ranking (Francis, Jagr, Lemiuex)
>and (Mullen, Stevens, Tocchet) as the second best 6 man forward unit in
>NHL history.  Notice that he gives the 91-92 Penguins unit 6 stars,
>while giving the Edmonton and Islander dynasty 6 man forward unit only 4
>stars.  I also think that Fischler is correct in saying that the Pens

	Well it looks like Edmonton did pretty good with only four star
forwards.  You really have to look at the whole team, though, because
sometimes it's the offensive defensemen that can really help make the
star forwards into stars.

>have a chance to match the "consistency and arsenal of the 1956-1960
>Canadiens."  Fischler also states that "there are no longer any doubts

	If you really think about it, the Oilers basically matched the
success of the 50's Habs in the 80's.  One mistake by Steve Smith was
the only difference.

>Mario Lemiuex is the world's best hockey player."--if Stan would have
>read r.s.h. or my mailbox, he would have read letters from about 30
>doubters.  

	Right now there is no one better than Mario, but there have been
better players in the past.
-- 
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Don Graves
Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S. Canada
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From: rolfer@leonardo.src.honeywell.com (Tom Rolfer 7342)
Subject: Re: UMinn-Duluth's nickname, what is it?
Reply-To: rolfer@leonardo.src.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems and Research Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:12:11 GMT

>I guess the subject line says it all. Does anyone out there know
>that the Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth's nickname is? It's in the faq
>but for some reason that's not in my archives.

It's the "Bulldogs".  Usually a couple of W's for the Gophers when the come down
from Daaloot.

TR
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:28:35 GMT

In article <farenebt.716504348@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>
>You forgot:
>---Second most wins in NHL history
>---Fourth most Stanley Cups in NHL history.
>---Fourth highest winning percentage in NHL history.

I wouldn't get too excited about that ... the Leafs are second in Stanley Cups
and are only slightly behind Boston in overall wins and winning percentage.

And we all know how bad the Leafs have been in the last decade or two ...

-- 
Mike Godfrey	          "I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty.
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT     I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   -- The Simpsons
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 14:13:26 EDT
From: The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bruins and fighting

My guess would be once he found out the dimensions of the New Rink in the
New Boston Garden.  I haven't heard how big it  will be but its a safe bet
that it will be bigger.  Thus Harry might as well go along with this
line of thinking, doesn't mean we have to like but we'll see.....

                                   Patrick Ellis

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From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <farenebt.716503774@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
|>iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
|>>- have never had a great American born player
|>
|>Give Adam Oates and Ted Donato a few years.

Oates is Canadian.  Donato should be a decent player - great, I don't know.
Heinze will also contribute and with some solid linemates, he might be an
important player.

|>>- do not have the team to compete with rest of the league (92-93 edition)
|>
|>NOT! I guess a full season of Juneau, Donato and Drury will kill them as
|>will the addition of Gordie Roberts and others.

Has Drury signed?  I thought he was back at Harvard.

They have improved over a year ago.  The Olympians will provide additional
legs, make them a faster team and can potentially develop into solid players
with Juneau having a chance at superstardom.  But Moog will again be asked to
play 60-65 games, and the defense has not changed much IMO.  If the Russians
make the team, they may give this team an entirely new look - faster, maybe
higher-scoring - but they may not last through an 84-game season.

|>>- farm team is short on good young talent
|>
|>The Maine Mariners always sucked when the Bruins were there but a new
|>atmosphere may help them in Providence.

Well...the Mariners weren't bad a few years ago during the first season
of the Boston-Maine agreement, but overall, yes, they have not torn up
the league.  As for Providence, atmosphere means nothing if the team's
the same.
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From: callum-rob@CS.YALE.EDU (Rob Callum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Neutral site games
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:49:28 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158


	I was wondering if anyone has a list of the dates and teams which are 
playing at neutral sites this year. I wouldn't mind the whole list, by I'm
particularly interested in the who and the when of the games in Cinci, Cleve.,
and Providence. Thanks a lot
-- 
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And makes you believe in me.         --Dan Fogelberg
From: SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Red Wings
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:38:22 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs



After my first posting about the Wings Training Camp, a new player
showed up in camp....John Ogrodnick.  After being released by the Rangers,
he is looking to catch on with a team and is hoping to earn a spot on the
team.

Ogrodnick started his career in Detroit, and once held the team record
for most goals (55).  He was also the last Red Wing to be named to the
1st Team All-Stars.

-Scott
From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:39:30 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada

In article <Qecfjju00Uh7M86854@andrew.cmu.edu>, Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>         Pre-Season Hockey Pool
> 
> 
> 1.  Who will win the Stanley Cup?

      Pittsburgh because of Mario and supporting cast!
> 
> 2.  Do you think the optional helmet rule is good for the game?

      I think that we will see more spectacular plays but we will also
      see some gruesome sights when someone gets the puck in the head.
      Tit-for-tat I guess. 
> 
> 3.  Who is the second best hockey player in the world?
>       (Lemieux has been the best for the past 5 years)

      This is the easiest question that you pose.  Pat Lafontaine is
      incredible to watch, and is deadly in front of the net!  Pat can
      tip a shot with such precision that it amazes me Patrick Roy actually
      sees them.
> 
> 4.  Will the Rangers ever win another Stanley Cup?  (rhetorical-answer is no)
>  

      If the Rangers don't win this year they will not for years to come!
      The consistency of Gartner, Ogrodnick, Patrick, Vanbiesbrouck, and
      Richter has got to lessen.  Messier, Leetch, Turcotte, and Graves have
      a few more years left in them but there best chance was last year or
      this year.
 
> Write me back with your answers; I am particularly interested in hearing
> your answers for #2 and #3.
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From: davidf@spider.co.uk (David Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Urgent: Still need Chicago, Washington info
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:50:07 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Hello again,

I'm still looking for schedules for Chicago Blackhawks and Washington Capitals
between October 31st and November 11th. I got a swift reply about Boston,
but have heard nothing about these two.

Does no-one in this newsgroup support these teams?

Thanks in advance,

David
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Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 08:28:37 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pens news 9/4


>   Pssst! We DON'T want a mascot!

Too bad.  We're getting one.  You can ignore it the same way we
ignore Elvis and Jay Caufield.

Mom.
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Anybody know if pre-season games to be televised?
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:58:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <195611INNqit@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin) writes:
> 
> I could use any info on what pre season games will be televised.
> 
> Post here, or email me.
> 
> thanks 
> roland

The FLYERS have at least 3 preseason games being televised that I know of.

9/24 vs New Jersey on PRISM (I'm not sure if this is the right game)
9/25 at New Jersey on WPHL 17
9/29 at Tampa Bay on WPHL 17

pete clark jr r.s.h FLYERS contact

4 days 'til Eric hits Spectrum ice!!!
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: New rules in USENET draft
Cc: andrew@idacom.hp.com
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.002050.26382@cc.umontreal.ca> arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel) writes:
>There are many rules I would like to get changed in the USENET draft:
>
>-No right to cash in more than the minimum amount for buying a player at
>  ANY TIME in the season, so one always has a full lineup of players and
>  not 1342 points and two players, for example.
>

I don't think this is all that significant, and would support it, but
occassionally e-mail does get screwed up, which makes it
counterproductive.  I essentially do this
anyway...I think the only time I ended up with more the the minimum
over the past few years is when e-mail messed up.

>-A shorter period between price list publication and the time limit to 
>  sell and buy new players.  For example, participants could sell and buy
>  from Tuesday to Friday only.  At the present state of the rules, one can
>  compile the whole week's stats before making his choice, which is almost 
>  a sure win from week to week.  Always buy the player of the week, unless
>  it's a goalie!
>

Since a person has to hold a player for six weeks, I don't think this
matters...if you have to hold the player for another five weeks, an
extra day or twos worth of stats is irrelevant.

Gerald
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens coaching situation
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:45:43 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <sefd2=G00Uzx05pKUb@andrew.cmu.edu> gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes:
>
>It is becoming apparent that the Pens will not name Eddie Johnson as
>their new coach by the beginning of training camp.
>[Rest of the message deleted]

This morning's Vancouver newspaper had some light to shed on the Pen's
coaching situation from what I think was a phone interview between Bowman
and the writer:

   - Bowman is demanding $375,000 a year, Pens are offering $300,000
   - Eddie Johnson is out of the picture as described in Gary's message
   - Bowman thinks (so do I) that compared to the salary of other coaches
     of his ability, achievement and experience he is not asking for too much
   - Mario is going to sign a $24,000,000 contract and doesn't like Bowman
   - Pens have offered Bowman his old job plus the freedom to take another
     job with another organization, which is fine with Bowman, however, he
     wants it in writing. He has had talks with Ottawa and wants to be sure
     that he can in fact move if he signs with the Pens.
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Announcing the Sixth Annual USENET Hockey Draft
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:50:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.033127.8773@idacom.hp.com> andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) writes:
>
>__
>\ \
> \ \
>  \ \
>   \ \                          The Sixth Annual
>    \ \                         USENET Hockey Draft
>     \ \
>      \ \
>       \ \______
>        \_______|  ==
>
>
>The leaves are falling, there's a nip in the air, and the thoughts of
>all rabid puck fans everywhere turn to the upcoming NHL season.  To
>celebrate our appreciation of the game, and to have some fun, I'm holding
>the Sixth Annual USENET Hockey Draft.
>

>........

>
>This (lengthy) posting describes the draft and lists the rules.  Past
>players may want to skip the introduction and go down to the list of rules.
>I haven't changed them very much from last year, but you might want to
>refresh your memory.  (The only changes are the change to 84 games from 80
>and a minimum price increase to 60.0 from 50.0.)

Andrew, why are you moving the minimum price...this will make things
more boring...please keep it at 50, or even better lower it to 45 or
40, which would really make things exciting.  By raising it to 60
for only a 4 game increase, you are taking a lot of players out of
play...and thus make skill in player-picking less important.

Gerald
From: spe@coos.dartmouth.edu (Robert W. Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Great Skate in Buffalo
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:25:22 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

What's happened to Great Skate over the last two years?  Before I left
Rochester, NY to head west to California, I stopped at Great Skate to
get outfitted for the hockey I'd be playing out here.  They were
incredibly helpful in making sure I get the best equipment at the best
price for my level of play.  I was pretty happy.

This past August I was back in Rochester and I made a trip to Great
Skate to buy a new pair of skates.  I tried some skates and decided on
a pair.  They sharpened the skates while I waited and brought the box
to the front counter where I paid for them.  I carried them out and
went home.  Shortly after arriving home, I went to show my brother the
new skates.  I was surprised to find not only two different sized
skates, but they were both left-footed.  I called Great Skate and
explained what happened.  They coulnd't believe that I didn't check
the box before I left.  They then indicated I would have to drive
back.  I explained why this wasn't feasible since I was leaving the
next morning.  They said they could do nothing until I sent back the
skates.  Ok, I paid another $6 to mail the skates back.  After two
weeks with nothing to show for the money I'd spent, I called up Great
Skate.  They indicated they never received the box.  After a mail
trace showed that the box had indeed been delivered, they admitted
that they had put the skates back in stock.  Even though a note had
been included with the skates explaining the situation, they needed to
know again what size skates I had wanted.  When I called back, the
woman on the phone was just as rude as when I had first called for
directions before this tormented journey began, just as rude as when I
called back to explain the problem, and equally rude when I called to
see if they had received my skates.

I guess my initial question is rhetoric in nature.  I just wanted to
share my experience with Great Skate with as many people as possible
since it is just about the only recourse I have other than getting a
credit on my VISA card and buying the skates elsewhere, which I did
and am going to do.

Feel free to pass this on to anyone you like.

Thanks,

-Scott Paterson
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Mais Oui Manon!
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:47:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



   From the Tampa Bay Lightning training camp... Manon Rheaume is apparently
doing better than expected in intra-squad scrimmages, GM Esposito describes
the situation as 'I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a publicity stunt, but she's
not bad'. Looking at the Lightning's goalie scenario, Pat Jablonski seems to be
the #1 goalie, seems to be the most talented. Wendell Young is likely backup,
he's the most experienced. J.C. Bergeron has virtually no NHL games under his
belt, and who the heck is Mike Greenlay? Manon Rheaume could easily start 5-10
games this season, since I can't see Jablonski in more than 30, 25 for Young,
15 for Bergeron and Greenlay combined... remember the 90-91 Nordiques, with
something like seven goalies? If Sergei Mylnikov stuck around for them, then
Manon Rheaume's got a good chance with Tampa. So go Manon, et bonne chance!

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Edmonton's Goalies
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:01:13 GMT

In article <193gfoINNg6h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> leone@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (David M Leone) writes:
>Greetings, can anybody tell me about Bill Ranford's status as a player?
>I thought he was a free agent this offseason, but I haven't heard a
>thing about him.
>

He signed a 3 year about a million dollars a season deal in the middle
of last season...or something like that.                         

Gerald


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From: "stlawrence production" <stlawrence.production@canrem.com>
Subject: lindros linemates
Reply-To: "stlawrence production" <stlawrence.production@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:51:03 EST

Probible Linemates For Eric Lindros

        Brind'Mour      Lindros         Recchi
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: BOSTON TRADE: Hodge & Hervey Traded
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 07:43:57 GMT

In article <14854@mindlink.bc.ca> Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:

>DARREN KIMBLE is considered a high-scoring defenceman. Who did he play for
>last season? Could someone tell me more about him?

Kimble split last season between the St. Louis Blues and their Peoria farm
club.  I don't think he even remotely resembles a high scoring defenseman,
though, because he had just 1 goal and 3 assists in 46 games while compiling
166 PIM.  More of a Shawn Cronin "the Barbarian" type, perhaps?

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Future Considerations
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.145319.13984@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rolo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.lowsky) writes:
>Many trades that take place are difficult to assess due to the inclusion
>of "future considerations".  Often a team deals a player, getting only
>"future considerations" in return.  Just what is/are "future considerations".
>Is it something more concrete than "I'll pay you back later" ?

Often they are conditional draft choices based on the performance or
playing time of a player...and it becomes just simpler to describe
the complex conditions as "future considerations".

Gerald