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From: lightnin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Await the Stones)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:09:57
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In-reply-to: marty@world.std.com's message of Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:49:20 GMT

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:49:20 GMT, marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) said:

marty> Hi, all --

Hi.

marty> Well, yesterday I want shopping for my husband, who is both
marty> wide and tall. What a drag! As bad as we large women have it,
marty> large men have it worse, clothes-wise. No selection, high
marty> prices, etc. Furthermore, they seem to have this thing where
marty> you can be either big OR tall -- you can get 2X, 3X, 4X, or
marty> XLT, XL2T, etc. Not much in a 3X2T, for example.

Being a 3-4XLT I know what you mean.

marty> So my question is: does anybody have any good addresses for
marty> catalogs that carry large men's sizes? I know we just did some
marty> here for women, but I didn't see much for men. Any help would
marty> be fab. Thanks as always!

Always caught without my catalogs with me.  I'll look up the addresses,
but in the meantime, here's a couple of places you might want to check
out.  

The first is Big & Tall Casual Male, which is a chain of stores (I don't
know what kind of distribution they get, but they are all throughout 
New England anyway) which has some decent clothes and some fairly decent
prices.

The second, and actually, more reliable for people on the really big end
of the scale is King Size out of Boston.  They carry some things up to 6-10
XL and carry shoes and everything.  Recently, they've started moving into
other items made specifically for big people (smaller size steering wheels,
etc.) that just help to make life a little bit easier for big'uns.

I'll check the addresses, and post 'em later.

-lightnin

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From: aharris@alfred.carleton.ca (Andrew Harris)
Subject: Help
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:40:59 GMT

Well it's bouncing - Cause I only posted it to one group
Andrew

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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Big Men's Clothes 
Keywords: large size, clothes, catalog
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:49:20 GMT

Hi, all --

Well, yesterday I want shopping for my husband, who is both wide and tall. What
a drag! As bad as we large women have it, large men have it worse,
clothes-wise. No selection, high prices, etc. Furthermore, they seem to have
this thing where you can be either big OR tall -- you can get 2X, 3X, 4X, or
XLT, XL2T, etc. Not much in a 3X2T, for example. 

I struck out with both of the pairs of jeans I bought (they didn't fit), but 
the place had a catlog that seems to have larger sizes. He was entranced 
with the catalog, though; he hates to try stuff on in a store.

So my question is: does anybody have any good addresses for catalogs that 
carry large men's sizes? I know we just did some here for women, but I didn't
see much for men. Any help would be fab. Thanks as always!

Marty
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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
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From: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes 
Reply-To: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.203439.17450@cvedc.prime.com> cmr@cvedc.prime.com (Chesley Reyburn) writes:
)I have had some luck with the following catalog:
)
)    King Size - Big and Tall
)    P.O. Box 9115
)    Hingham MA  02043
)    USA
)
)    Telephone ordering:  800/846-1600
)
)I don't know if the telephone number listed above works outside of the USA.

NO, it doesn't. Would someone be kind enough to call them for their
regular phone number and post it?

Thanks!
Wolf


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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Doctors
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:31:02 GMT


This is just the kind of information I hope AHELP will make more accessible.

For now, I'll have to see if anyone in the L.A. chapter knows anything.
It's very inefficient right now, because I have to ask the few people
I know from the southern region, and they might have to ask others in the
chapter, and goodness knows when they'll be able to get back to me.
It will be better when the professionals have their own organization
separate from the rank and file citizenry.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: But a Size 3?!?
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:14:04 GMT

In article <alberti.718945816@staff.tc.umn.edu> alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Theresa J Alberti) writes:
>In <1992Oct5.234438.17244@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct1.173636.8493@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>>>
>
>>And don't worry about using food as a source of pleasure.  It may be

Food _is_ a source of pleasure. It works best if you eat what you want,
when you're hungry, and stop when you feel comfortably fed.

Pleasure is good stuff.

                          With gratitude to Geneen Roth's _Breaking
                                  Free from Compulsive Eating_,
                          Nancy Lebovitz
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Please Help
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:51:01 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center


              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
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4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
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5.) What sex are you?
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6.) How old are you?
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7.) What religion are you?
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:57:48 GMT

Hi, Lightnin --

That's the second recommendation I've heard for King Size, and I've never heard
of them before! (and I *live* in Boston) I'm definitely getting their catalog.
I do shop at the B&T CM in dwontown Boston, and have had pretty good luck 
there, but their prices are so high unless you find a sale.

Will keep an eye out for those other addresses, if you find them.

Marty


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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/

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From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: Please Help??????????
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:53:57 GMT

aharris@alfred.carleton.ca (Andrew Harris) writes:

>What kind of unethical, manipulative, poorly contrived research is
>this???

>State your reasons and your purpose!!!!!!

>  Andrew

And why is he posting this particular bit of ignorant nonsense in so many
groups.  I have read 3 groups so far this morning and he has posted this
silly thing to all 3 groups.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:46:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: But a Size 3?!?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:27:25 GMT

nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:

>And don't worry about using food as a source of pleasure.  It may be
>a crutch - but there's a danger in throwing out a crutch before you're
>ready to.  You will eventually find healthy ways to nurture yourself and
>you'll do so in your own time.  Find what pleasures you can, but forgive
>yourself for not knowing better ways to take care of yourself for now.

The other thing is that something that is a source of pleasure can be
either a crutch, or just a source of pleasure. A little like Freud's
caveat that "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

I wouldn't even pretend to be able to tell if any given source of
pleasure is also being a crutch for a given person. It's just, food
really is a nurturing force for just about everyone, of every size,
shape, and constitution, and I guess the difference is in whether
one approaches a meal from a position of strength and confidence and
a healthy desire for a little fun, or from a position of defeat,
remorse, and a desire more for anesthesia. Looking for something to
have fun with is different from looking for the same thing to numb
one to pain. The overt effects might be very similar, but internally
the results would seem worlds apart.


>Miriam Nadel

-- 
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(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Guilt & weight
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:03:22 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul) writes:
|I'm waiting for a guy to take the first step. At the same time, if he does
|so too soon (without us being good friends first) I think he thinks I'm
|easy because I'm fat and don't have much choice in men (beggars can't
|be choosers). So I figure any man interested in me is probably a loser or
|thinks I'm a loser. So it's almost impossible to meet a man as more than
|a friend.  I suppose I could say "I haven't met the right man yet" but
|how long must one wait for the right guy to come along before wondering
|if it's just not going to happen?

I'm not sure, but I think you probably realize that you have set up a
virtually impenetrable gauntlett for possible male suitors.  I don't
necessarily dispute that a lot of guys will scratch you from moment one
because of your weight, but some will not, and if you lump them all together,
you're not likely to get near them.

I can relate to your situation; I feel like I'm in it myself.  I agree with
previous posters, though, that confidence makes a big difference.  In my
experience, an internalized attitude of "I'm ugly" is usually *much* more
unattractive than any actual physical feature it's based on.  It makes a big
difference.

Mike

-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Lord High Executioner of Anhedonia-----
		    Where are you when I need you, Nikki?
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Guilt & weight
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:37:43 GMT

bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Husky Cub) writes:

>Did anyone see this show besides me? Comments? Questions?

Didn't see the show, but if you want a contact address for G&M, I can
probably get to Cliff over here in San Francisco; he might even know
if there's a chapter in your corner of the biosphere.

E-mail me if you'd like me to ask Cliff for you.

You'd just love this painting he has in his basement - it has this whole
group of mostly fat people, mostly men and a couple of women, with a few
skinny male CCs for good measure, just laying in this
pile naked having fun with each other.
-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: more catalogs
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:30:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I just took a look at this group for the first time and noticed that you
all had apparently posted catalog stuff for larger sizes ... sorry to come
in at the tail end of the thread, but would anyone be willing to send me
what was posted?

Thanks ... and I'm enjoying the group.  


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: freiss@neurotic.sni.de (Martin Freiss)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:38:41 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <1992Oct14.091338.24119@rcvie.co.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) writes:

>In article <Bw2EI8.996@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>>
>>Well, yesterday I want shopping for my husband, who is both wide and tall. What
>>a drag! As bad as we large women have it, large men have it worse,
>>clothes-wise. No selection, high prices, etc.

>Exactly my experience ... and even worse in Europe.

There's a company called High & Mighty that caters for wide and tall people.
They are based in Britain, but have shops in at least Germany and the
Netherlands - maybe even in the US of A. I've been there, and they go
more for the serious-middle-age-businessman look fashionwise - but it's
a relief to have clothes that fit, no matter how they look :-)

-Martin

--
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From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Theresa J Alberti)
Subject: Re: But a Size 3?!?
Originator: alberti@staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: Authors With Twins
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:10:16 GMT

In <1992Oct5.234438.17244@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.173636.8493@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>>

>And don't worry about using food as a source of pleasure.  It may be
>a crutch - but there's a danger in throwing out a crutch before you're
>ready to.  You will eventually find healthy ways to nurture yourself and
>you'll do so in your own time.  Find what pleasures you can, but forgive
>yourself for not knowing better ways to take care of yourself for now.

>Miriam Nadel
 
I totally agree-- this is a great attitude to have when working with food 
issues.  After years of reading self-help books, therapy and trying to
break out of the blame and shame feelings of using food, I think I'm
FINALLY getting to the point where I can accept that I'm not perfect
and my behaviour doesn't have to be either.  And finding other ways to
nurture myself has always been scary business for me, but slowly I'm
learning.

I just found this group, thanks to Marty.  It is so nice to see people
discussing issues like this openly and with a real understanding
about our society's obsession with thinness and the toll it's taking
on *everyone*.

(Marty, I misplaced your note, so I don't have your last name or e-mail
address, but thanks for suggesting this group!)

--Theresa Jarosz Alberti

-- 
--                                                                          --
Theresa Jarosz Alberti                      Writer/Mother of Twins=Overworked!
     "You have to let writing eat your life and follow it where it takes  you.
You fit into it;  it doesn't fit neatly  into your life.   It makes  you wild.  
Kate said... to the outside world she looked normal...  how could she work all 
day, have a baby and write?  She wanted it bad; that's what finally moves you,
not how it will conveniently fit in with the rest of your life." (N. Goldberg)
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: But a Size 3?!?
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:41:27 GMT

Hi, Theresa!

No big deal about the note -- glad you found your way here. Welcome!

Marty


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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/

From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:46:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.support

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
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From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for when you feel depressed for no reason?
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:14:26 GMT

: 
: So what you are telling us, Mickey, is having done that you can now
: magically give a public prayer without the least taint of embarassement?
: That the simple act now completely and permanently removes all the
: cringing and shame?  I think not.  

        It is very possible that the cringing has gone away. That doesn't
mean that Mickey might have decided that s/he didn't want to do it again.


: 
: You say yourself you haven't done it since, yet you give us what you did
: to cure it!  Which is it?  If it works so well, then why do you give
: yourself the artificial label of being "a depressed person"?  Are you

        Your implication is that one event -- and only one event -- is
responsible for all of Mickey's depression. I happen to have a 
tendency to be depressed also and I constantly have to reaffirm myself
and deal with it. 

: 
: Is it truly theraputic in the curative sense, or is it just the rush
: that we get from dumping stale feeling-tales on another human being?

       Sheesh!

: Why not simply accept that sometimes we do stupid things and will feel
: bad about it for whatever reason?  why not continue to do what is needed
: regardless?  Why not then listening to and helping our friend instead of
: adding to their troubles by wasting their time with these stories where
: neither of us can change the outcome?  We both know we could be doing
: something else more constructive with out time together, and that time
: and the friendship is too precious to waste.

       what is friendship if not being able to share with each other -- all
sorts of things without judgement? I can't even begin to tell you how 
often a friend has been able to help me out by telling me a prior 
experience of their own. It makes me realize that I am not alone -- that los
of people make mistakes, get depressed, sometimes don't know what is 'normal'
and so on. You make it sound as though it is being 'done to' rather than
'done for' -- a sharing and commonality of experience which binds us all. 


: 
: Feelings are like fish: they are best when fresh.


      This strikes me as very cold and uncaring. In fact, I have
railed against this for ages: if we don't begin to understand our 
comminalities and the experiences/feelings that make us all similar,
if we are not willing to respect and honor each other, if we are not
willing to just accept our similarities and our needs, how can we
even begin to hope that we will ever have a healthier culture? We put
more effort into dividing ourselves into 'categories' (on which we can
judge each other) than we do simply realizing that we all have one 
goal in common (however that manifests for us) and that is to "come in
from the cold", to find the link that will connect us. 


Bright blessings...


   *Island's Child*

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Subject: Re: Any suggestions for when you feel depressed for no reason?
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:23:07 -0600

..
(fun stuff omitted)
..
>>>Should I go and look for a friend (or is that just being dependent)?
>
>Went and talked to a friend, and asked her if she had really not enjoyed
>our earlier conversation (I had perceived her as not enjoying it), or if
>it was just my dysphoria talking...
>....she thought it funny that I even needed to ask, because of *course*
>she had enjoyed our earlier conversation.
>
>This helped a lot, actually, as my impression of that conversation had
>been one of the things supporting my depression.

Sounds like you need to re-examine the way you perceive things.
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