HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: lilo works fine! (At least for me :)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:38:04 GMT

In article <944@cybaswan.UUCP> cgwillme@pyr.swan.ac.uk (r b willmersdorf) writes:
> I found the documentation pretty daunting, but that's because it can do
> a _lot_ of stuff in _many_ different ways.

Yes, the documentation has some serious problems. First, it lacks an intro-
duction section that describes partitions and boot sectors. Second, although
there are many possible configurations, only a few of them fit nicely into
each setup. The documentation should describe the setups and give more
specific examples for the configurations. Third, parts of the README are
slightly outdated. Fourth, there are probably more.

My plan is to split the documentation into three parts: a CHANGES file
(already done as of alpha.4), a README file that contains the bare
minimum of instructions and a LaTeX document that describes the rest.
Probably plus a man-page as soon as I've re-arranged my partitions and
installed groff.

I hope to get this done until next weekend.

- Werner
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Linux Logo
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.002854.20701@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>BTW-that thar logo jain't under the GNU Copyleft. I hold a copyright
>on it. That means that you can copy it, use it on your distribution
>of Linux, change it, do whatever you like, but you CANNOT sell the
>LOGO for ANY price. I would like to get some credit, though. :-)
>(And I mean it--don't sell the LOGO. Use it as you will. Put it
>on Linux distributions you're selling for $6,000,000 apiece.
>Change the release number. Change the colors. Change the font.
>But absolutely DON'T sell the logo at ANY price.)
>
>Thanks.

Arrogant bastard, ain't I? :-)
Hmm...this doesn't seem to have come out right (sorry, I was fighting
a whineybaby file server--why can't it just suck it up and ignore those
memory errors like a _real_ 486? :-)
I just want to make sure that everybody knows that this thing is 
_freely_ distributable (as in _NO_ cost), and freely editable (come on,
the thing was a first draft! :-)

				James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   /\        Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor
	constellation!biglaw!callison@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
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	And those who wait forever for ships that don't come in
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From: Greg.Naber@f34.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Naber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Routing mail
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:13:46 -0800

I have received word that a lot of fidonet nodes are sending mail to
1:343/94, which is gating this newsgroup to fidonet.

Please be advised that 343/94 is just a gate for comp.os.linux, he has
nothing to do with Linux distribution, other than that.

All mail being sent to him for internet destinations, or questions
regarding Linux is being processed straight into the bit bucket!

Please ask your NEC for the format of uucp mail interchanges, and the
uucp node in your area that handles gating of uucp <-> fidonet mail
messages.



 * Origin:S'Qually Holler's-Internet: greg@halcyon.com & Fidonet
(1:343/34)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: klode@syslab.csd.uwo.ca (Claude Morin)
Subject: fsck naming schemes
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:18:33 GMT
Keywords: fsck standards

This discussion probably belongs in the standards mailing list, but...

I've noticed a 'trend', when naming variations on a tool, of prepending a
letter, eg:
		 fsck - check minix filesystems
		efsck - check extfs filesystems
		dfsck - check MSDOS filesystems

I've seen the following on other systems:

		fsck     - check *any* filesystem
		fsck.mfs - check minix filesystem
		fsck.efs - check extended filesystem
		fsck.dfs - check MSDOS filesystem

	In this case, fsck collects information (arguments etc) and passes
	them to the appopriate fsck.*  If a filesystem is not currently
	mounted, you need to tell fsck which type to use (MIPS uses -T<type>),
	otherwise it figures it out for itself.  Hmmm...perhaps fsck can
	be made to examing /etc/fstab to figure out the type of unmounted
	filesystems...

Pros:	- ease of use -- usually only need to run 'fsck'
	- seems somehow *cleaner* to my little mind
	- scanning for commands/files starting with fsck is possible


Cons:	- fsck must be written, or users are stuck with fsck.efs instead of
	  efsck (for example)
	- why not just scan for *fsck* and avoid this whole issue?

This is an *option* offered for the consideration of those who may not
have thought of such a thing.  If it's too much trouble, scrap it.  If I (or
someone else) really want it, I can always write it myself, right?

---
Claude Morin
(that's "klode", NOT "clod"...French :-)
London, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: c-amb@math.utah.edu (Mark B. Alston)
Subject: lp1 timeout errors.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:47:18 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah

I am having quite a problem printing out files from linux.  When I
type cat < filename > /dev/lp1 everything goes along fine for a while
but then I hear three beeps from my printer (epson fx80+) and I
recieve a cat:write error or a lp1 timeout error.  I am currently
cutting documents at the point where the error occured and printing
the remainder seperatly.  This is becoming quite annoying.  I have not
seen the problem mentioned before so I assume that I am doing
something quite silly.  

Thanks in advance.






--
>-->Mark Alston                "An increasing minority of our more progressive
>-->c-amb@math.utah.edu         Statesmen are of the opinion that true mercy
>-->al3273@physics.utah.edu     would dictate that . . . all who fail to pass
				the Final Examination of the University should
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				by a painless death."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace)
Subject: hd.c patch? where is it?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:03:20 GMT

While reading through some news threads, I saw a metion of a patch to
hd.c also the doc for the mj-boot disk says that ithas the hd.c patch.

could someone post it, mail it to me, or tell me where to get it?

Thanks
Scott Mace
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: vargish@sura.net (Nick Vargish)
Subject: TeX, Linux, and Dot Matrix (help request)
Summary: Help me please...
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:57:35 GMT

Linuxers,

I pretty much just need specific help here... In my continuing quest
to avoid using DOS for anything like "real work", I need to start
producing TeX output at home on Linux.

I have a Panasonic 1123, which does a very competent Epson LQ
emulation (there are probably more Panasonics with Epson emulation
around than there are Epsons :^). It's attached to the first parallel
device (I know this because I can cat text to it).

Currently, I have TeX running and it produces dvi files quite happily.
I also have dvips binaries and ghostscript binaries. dvips simply
won't work for me -- and I couldn't make head or tails out of the
configuration files. I understand it's possible to get output on
printers like mine using ghostscript...

So, could someone who is using TeX under Linux with a dot-matrix
printer send me some information on just how they do it? Where to put
the fonts (where to _get_ the fonts, too), how to set up configuration
files, etc? I mean, I'm not even sure that I need dvips...

If there's interest, I'll follow up with a summary of what works
(assuming something does :^).

Nick

P.S. I'd like to get xdvi running too, but on my 640x400 display it's
probably not really worth it... aw heck, sure, of _course_ it's worth
it!

P.P.S. I showed a DOS/Windoze-using pal of mine my Linux setup... even
with the sorry X display he was blown away. He left muttering
something about getting a new hard drive.

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From: james@netcom.com (James L. Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Modem dial-in procedures needed
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:38:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom

On a slightly different topic, I ran into a not-so-obvious (at least to
me :) problem. I have my inittab set up for 19200 bps getty. If I turn
this off and kill the getty to use the modem for outdialing (as I often
do) I have to be sure to use the modem at 19200 before re-enabling the
getty.

Otherwise, if the last AT command to the modem was not at my getty speed,
incoming calls will connect but not communicate with getty, since the
modem's DTE speed doesn't match the getty speed. (A user connects, sends
a <cr> or anything to get the login prompt, but gets nothing, since getty
is is listening at 19200 and the modem is talking at the last AT command
speed. (Say, 2400.)

I solved this by setting things up so I always talk to the modem from my
terminal software (xcomm) at the getty speed. This way, the modem is
never remains inadvertently on the wrong DTE speed.

I haven't dug out my modem manual yet to see if I can set the DTE speed
to a non-changing value. (I know the DCE speed can, but I doubt the
serial port DTE speed can.) Obviously, my solution above requires hardware
flow control, since the DTE speed is faster than the modem can handle.


-- 
James L. Paul

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: harry@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Kuo-Chen Chang)
Subject: How to install man page for linux?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:53:32 GMT

Hello there!  Could someone show me how to install man page
for Linux 0.971?  I'll be very appreciated!

Harry

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Amount of Hard Drive Space...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 22:01:46 GMT


How much hard drive space does linux really nead. I have a Compaq
386/20e and can give it 25 megs? 4 meg RAM? Does Linux really
need more? Also, Linux is reasonably close to Sys5, right? So 
if I were to port in the future it wouldn't be that bad...
Please email replies...
CW
-- 
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aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu or rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
"Anything less [than a NeXT] would be uncivilized..."
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Linux Logo
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:28:54 GMT

   From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
   Date: 12 Aug 92 03:10:02 GMT

   Well, it's not _quite_ Wednesday here, but I managed to get the thing
   uploaded to tsx-11. Download it, print it out, tell me what you think.
   BTW- The logo is in PostScript format, and is in the file linlogPS.tar.Z
   but I don't know for certain where it will wind up on tsx-11.

Well, I've made it available as ~ftp/pub/linux/postscript/linux-1.ps,
and despite having frobbed with it a bit, I can't get it to print.
However, I did manage to get one postscript previewer (out of three that
I tried) to preview it.

Perhaps someone who knows postscript would be willing to redo the logo
in raw postscript, instead of Aldus Freehand?  That would be a lot more
portable, not to mention faster to image.....

							- Ted
From: poe@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Orbaek)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Announcement: poeigl 1.5 and admutils 1.2 available
Keywords: init getty login shutdown
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:27:03 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

This is an announcement of the availability of version 1.5 of the poeigl
package, and version 1.2 of the admutil package.

Both of the new packages just contains bugfixed versions of the programs 
in the previous packages, and no new features have been added.

Acknowledgements:
-----------------
d88-jwn@nada.kth.se made me avare of a fault in passwd.c concerning digits
in passwords.

hyvatti@cc.helsinki.fi (Jaakko Hyvatti) provided a fix for a nasty bug in
login.c, concerning unknown usernames and secure terminals.

I forgot who made me avare of the fact that shutdown would hang if /etc/utmp
somehow was corrupted. This should not happen anymore.

As always, the packages contains only sourcecode. The binaries can be built
under Linux 0.97 or later with at least gcc-2.2.2

To those that do not already know, the poeigl package contains:

	init, getty, login, hostname, mesg, users, who, write

and admutils contains:

	chsh, ctrlaltdel, init, last, newgrp, passwd, shutdown, reboot,
	halt, su

I have put the packages out for anon ftp at:

	ftp.daimi.aau.dk:/pub/Linux-source
	tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/<whereever tytso puts them>
	nic.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/<whereever arl puts them>

	- Peter. <poe@daimi.aau.dk>

-- 
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Hasle Ringvej 122, DK-8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: EISA and the abounding unix clones
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:24:45 GMT
Organization: Hickory Ridge - Lisle, IL

>>Several freely downloadable Unix clones are available for 386 PCs.
>Linux 
>MACH 
>386bsd 

Do any of these abounding clones speak EISA yet?  Will they?


-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrccb.att.com
	      (effective Aug 1, 1992:  tjc@hrcce.att.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ianr@muppet.bt.co.uk (Ian Robertson )
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: LINIX how do I get it in the UK ??
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: ianr@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom


	I would like to try linix on a 386. However I do not
have ftp access and am not allowed to use ftp mailers.
	If anyone has it I am willing to pay for 3.5 floppies and the postage time and trouble involved.

	Yours
		Ian




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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Two problems. (Elm/Smail/lib/libc.2.2.2, shutdown)
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:03:41 GMT

I'm having two problems. The first is a problem with Elm ans Smail3 from
the Mailpak-1.2 archive. Every time I try to run either of them, I
get the message
	/lib/libc.2.2.2
(including the leading tab).
It was suggested that this was due to having a different set of libs
from those with which the binaries were compiled; however, dat ain't
the case here. I compiled them and installed them as per the Readme
files included, and they promptly failed with the same error. (Elm
used to give me errors, but after adding casts and two #ifndefs, it
compiled sans peeps. :-)
I've asked before, and I haven't seen any answers....

Also, shutdown won't work for me anymore. It gives the warning, and just
sits there forever. (It also happens with reboot and halt, on my HD, and when
I boot with the .96 root disk...) I tried doing an fsck -a on my Linux
partitions and rebooting, but that didn't help. This just started after
I installed X (1.1 from banjo, circa 17 July). X froze my system once
to the point that I had to a hard reset, so I did the fsck -a, and everything
seemed OK (everything else worked fine, and I got X working--ah, the
wonders of an STB PowerGraph Ergo 1024 :-)
But...shutdown stopped working. Can someone enlighten me as to why
it suddenly broke?  (Hey, I'm learning! :-) 
The problems are (probably) not related; the mail problems predate
my shutdown problems.


Oh, yeah, the system. 
	Northgate SlimCache 
	AMD386DX-33, no 387
	8M RAM, 5M swap
	kernel 0.97-pl1
	GCC 2.2.2 (_not_ 2.2.2d; I'm going to try that ASAP)
	64M Linux partiton (with dedicated 2nd 40M drive; both IDE)

				James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   /\        Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor
	constellation!biglaw!callison@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
	Here's to all the soldiers who have ever died in vain,
	The insane locked up in themselves, the homeless down on Main
	To those who stand on empty shores, and spit against the wind
	And those who wait forever for ships that don't come in
		--Joe Diffee, "Ships That Don't Come In"
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: reusing linux-ized disks for DOS
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:29:23 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:
>is there any special magic required to get linux-ized floppies back
>to a DOS format ???

Two solutions: 1) You replace DOS' braindead format program with
something better (no, I don't know of anything, unless you count Linux'
fdformat + mtools), or 2) use the /u (I think) switch to force a format.

I could say something even nastier about format programs that won't
format a floppy, but since the DOS format program can be made to do it,
I won't.  (That wasn't the case with a certain other format program in a
somewhat wellknown utility package; that one just plainly refused to
believe that yes, I really did want to format a a _partly_ formatted
disk.  I hate programs that try to be too smart and fail.)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: formatting
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:25:50 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond) writes:
>I'm about to install my first kernel since I converted from DOS to Linux 0.96.
>Under DOS, I remember using rawrite to place the boot image on the floppy.
>How will this be accomplished under Linux?  

Try
	dd if=xxx of=/dev/fd0
(replace xxx with the name of the kernel image file).  This will be done
automatically if you compiler the kernel from sources and run "make
disk".

>The 0.97 README states that a
>formatted floppy is needed.  What program should be used to format the disk?

fdformat is the program I use.  I think it comes with the rootdisk,
though I may be wrong.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: DOS FS deleting large files?
Keywords: dos
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:28:52 GMT

    Thanks to Theodore T'so for confirming my semi-suspicion that zcat/compress
was the problem.  Apparently some (older?) versions treat ^C as an error
condition and delete their input.

    He says if you're not sure about the version, a good safe method is to
use "zcat < foo.Z | tar" rather than "zcat foo.Z | tar" so zcat can't delete
the file even if it tries.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Stabilizing Linux
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug13.195406.23296@colorado.edu>, drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
| In article <1992Aug13.133313.15221@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
| >In article <1992Aug12.173012.17552@colorado.edu>, drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
| >
| >And the person trying to install on a new machine can't rebuild the
| >kernel, so s/he needs another working system to get going. Bleh.
| >Relocation at load time might take 1-2 sec of cpu. Big deal. Without
| >loadable device drivers you must have a working system to generate a new
| >kernel.
| 
| Most Unices distribute the distribution kernel as a generic kernel,
| ie one with support for all device drivers compiled in.  It gets a little
| bloated, but if you can boot it, you can run anything.

  Sounds to me like you think the Linux kernel as distributed contains
all the devices anyone would ever want to use, so there's no need for
being able to support new devices.

  It also sounds like you're trying to say that you think it's too
hard, and you personally don't need it, so you want to convince
everyone it's a bad idea.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.