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From: u1665462@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: An open letter to PC Magazine
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:10:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

In article <1992Apr13.103805.28551@hemlock.cray.com>, bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:
> Everyone / Anyone:
> 
> Richard E. Hodges asked me to repost this letter on comp.os.os2.misc and CIS.
> Richard hopes others will voice an opinion to PC Magazine.  He does not desire
> to be a lone voice.
> 
> Bert Moshier
> 
> 
>                    AN OPEN LETTER TO PC MAGAZINE
> 
>                         Richard E. Hodges
> 

[excellent letter deleted to save bandwidth]

I fully support this letter. Could somebody post the internet address for 
PC Magazine again so I can add my signature to it? The more email they get the
better: maybe then they will realise this is not a "microscopic user base"!!!

Sven Zagala

P.S.: 
 
> COMMENTS ON "FIVE REASONS NOT TO BUY OS/2"
 
> 3. "You can only run some Windows applications." Well, that is also 
> true of Windows itself! OS/2 will run Windows 2.1 apps. Will Windows 
> 3.0? 

I think there is a typo: it should read "Will Windows 3.1?"

S.Z.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hand@spc9.jpl.nasa.gov (Kolin Hand)
Subject: Re: Eggheads see the light
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:36:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.235651.8688@cco.caltech.edu> brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson) writes:
>I called a couple of Egghead Discount Software stores near
>me, and both of them knew what OS/2 v2.0 was and said that
>they would be getting it.  They didn't know exactly when
>(can't blame them for that -- I doubt anyone knows).  This
>is an improvement over the responses related in earlier
>messages on the net.

This is certainly true.  I walked down to the Egghead nearest us here (the one
on Foothill and Rosemead, Brooke) the other day and asked the salesperson if
they carried the new OS/2.  The guy brushed me off by saying that he had just
seen a memo stating that Egghead would not carry it.  Several days later, I
thought I might give my "friendly" Egghead a call and ask them, again, if they
had OS/2 v2.0?  Well, the little sales-type person said "yes, we will be gettingthat in "next week."  

Bottom line:  I think that the little sales-dorks at Egghead (oh, excuse me,
I forgot my composure ;-) ) ahem... salespeople have seen an increasing
interest in a far-superior operating system/GUI and have been back-talking, er,
back-tracking to cover thier tails, I mean trails.

Aaaaah, I feel much lighter now...

Kolin

+===========================================================================+
+  "Guilt Trip:  The nuclear weapon of relationships."  -- K. Hand          +
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
+  Kolin E. Hand                              hand@spc7.jpl.nasa.gov        +
From: titan@maxine.wpi.edu (David Titivanich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: AMI BIOS
Summary: EISA
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:22:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr10.002233.18553
Distribution: na
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Hello,

I've heard some time in the distant past, that the OS/2 2.0 betas had
some incompatibility problems with EISA machines. I have a Gateway
486/33 EISA (Award BIOS), and was wondering if anyone has OS/2 running
on this system.

Thanks for any info,

David.


+ David D. Titivanich ---------------- + -------------------------------------+
| Worcester Polytechnic Institute      |e-mail:                               |
| 100 Institute Rd., Box 2803          |           titan@wpi.wpi.edu          |
+ Worcester, MA 01609 -----------------+--------------------------------------+
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:18:48 GMT
Subject: Re: PC Magazine coverage
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In comp.os.os2.misc, cb@tamarack12.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:


>  The new PC Magazine screams 
>
>           WINDOWS 3.1 
>
>  in type that would be appropriate for the end of a world war.  Then, in
>  type about 1/100 as big, it says "OS/2 2.0: great technology, but can it
>  compete?".  The relation of these headlines is as brazen a bit of Microsoft
>  promotion as I've seen so far: a minor release of an inferior kludge is
>  treated like the beginning of a new era, but a major release of the real
>  thing is mentioned only patronizingly.  The title of the OS/2 article
>  inside is something like "Can OS/2 live up to its billing?"
>
>  Why is OS/2 treated with snide rhetorical questions, while Windows is given
>  the benefit of the doubt on every issue?  PC Mag's answer would be "because
>  Windows has sold well and OS/2 hasn't", which means that the future is
>  doomed to only continue the past: no fundamental change can occur.  This
>  seems a poor assumption in high technology.  
>
>  The OS/2 article itself isn't too bad, if it weren't dwarfed in size and
>  presentation by the Windows article.  All in all a discouraging result for
>  an important edition of the magazine.
>
>  Chris Brewster
>  cb@cray.com
>  GEnie: C.BREWSTER7

This kind of reminds me of an old dialog from about 20 years ago (yes, this
is an analogy).

I was using a reel-to-reel tape deck.  Phillips came out with cassettes and
took the world by storm.  Cassettes, as we know, were and are technically
inferior.  But that didn't stop the marketplace from buying it.

A couple of years in the cassette revolution, Sony (and I think, JVC)
introduced what I believe was called the Elcaset (sp??).  This beast
was much bigger, better designed, used tape that was 1/4 inch vs. the
1/8 inch cassette, ran at twice the speed, etc.  The Elcaset (sp??)
was technically superior.

But, you probably never heard of this beast.  It didn't take off even
though it was the superior product.

----

Today, the same situation probably exists between Windows and OS2.  Most
of my friends and acquaintences -- the folks who buy most computers
today -- are just users.  And users see no visible difference between
Windows and OS2.  But their friends have Windows, they see ads for 
Windows, magazines have tons of stories on Windows, ...

----

I'll say it again: From a user view, multithreading and protected
mode mean nothing.  Look and feel means everything.  And installing
from 14 (or 18 or whatever) OS2 floppies is frightening.

Good Luck,

Steve K.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Stacker and OS/2 2.0
Organization: Borland International
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:27:34 GMT

lauch@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Chung Lau) writes:
>  Let's hope that they would ship it real soon (not announce something
>and ship it in fall).

Stac Electronics announced at Comdex that they have been developing an
OS/2 Stacker for the past year and expect "this summer we will provide
a beta release to the 300,000 OS/2 2.0 beta testers" with availability
"later this year through Stac OEMs".

Don't ask me what they mean when they talk about OS/2 2.0 beta
testers, but it sounds like good news for all of us who are facing
losing half of our hard disk moving from DOS and Stacker to OS/2 2.0.

 -- sidney <sidney@borland.com>
From: sveinare@idt.unit.no (Svein Are Martinsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Magazines lying??? (Was: Re: Pause before you consider OS/2 ...)
Keywords: Magazines lying about OS/2???
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:13:32 GMT
Followup-To: sveinare@idt.unit.no
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Disclaimer: The following text is my personal thoughts only!

Why do 'all' computer magazines keep on lying? (Or don't the?)
On my mind just now, is the article qouted fro Infoworld stating
preemtive multitasking is not a part of OS/2 2.0. Also, I seem to
remember a lot of debate here conserning some authors in PC Magazine.

Are the (editors of the) magazines really aware of their power?
If so, why do they allow disinformation at this level.
I believe disinformation (especially from 'respected' magazines) are
really dangerous. It must be really hard for IBM (or any other) to
overcome this. Even if errors in the magazines are corrected on this
newsgroup, a lot of readers not reading this group may be seriously
wrong-tought! 

I think it is a serious problem that one can not trust in several
magazines. Even a bigger problem may be that a lot of people does, and
consider everything written a fact. I am not sure this group is the
correct to debate this topic, but OS/2 seems to be the victim so why
not? (Maybe I am overreacting???)

Disclaimer: I haven't been able to test OS/2, but from what I've seen
on this group, OS/2 is great and certainly provides preemtive
multitasking. (Correct me if I am wrong!). I should also say, that I
haven't read the complete Infoworld article, just the part of it quoted
here on the net.

I apologize if this post include any disinformation. 

Have a nice day!

  Svein A. Martinsen
     =======================================================
     Email: sveinare@idt.unit.no   (Send replies here)
     Student at Computer Science/Telematics, NTH










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From: gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:56:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I just got back from a demo of OS/2 v.2.0 given at the IBM Tower in Atlanta.
Just a few tidbits I thought you'd like to know.

Great presentation.  Micheal Dudley gave the presentation.  After the
demo I stayed to try out a few things (my copy of OS/2 hasn't arrived, yet).
After that he gave me a dozen copies of OS/2 info to distribute around 
campus, along with "OS/2 Application Solutions", a cross-referenced
directory of applications and another booklet listing 1100 32-bit
applications.  Also, he gave me 10 IBM OS/2 mouse pads to distribute.  The
campus computer store already has one :-)

Took a few quotes from the presentation I particulary enjoyed (I not
entering the arguement, just passing along information):

"Windows is NOT an Operating System"
"Windows is an ENVIRONMENT running on DOS"

and

"IBM OS/2 2.0 DELIVERS TODAY--NOT TOMORROW!"
                              ^   ^
:-)

-- 
Henry "Hank" Harlan Roark III | UNIX--An OS for those that don't have to pay.
Georgia Tech                  | OS/2--An OS for those that do have to pay.
gt8080a@prism.gatech.edu      | DOS --An OS for those that don't care.
My views only, not GT's       | Windows--An OS, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: DeskJet too slow
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:06:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

atoenne@mpii02000.cs.uni-sb.de (Andreas Toenne) writes:
: Thanx for all tips regarding Windoze printing.
: However, once the document is spooled in OS/2 printing is still crawling.
: I tried it by printing into a file and then redirecting this file to the
: LPT1: device manually. The printer is busy all the time but waits between
: printing lines for about 15-25 seconds.
: Note: this applies to printing graphics only. Text is fine.
: Currently I use the Epson - DeskJet 500 printing option. Does the
: Epson-EPL 7000 make any difference?
: 

I had this same symptom yesterday and discovered that my modem and my
lpt1 were on the same irq7.  You would think such a screw up would be
more catastrophic but when I reallocated my irq's so there was no
"sharing" the printing speed became quite acceptable.  I just wish
that print screen from a text window wasn't so fancy.  I don't really
want this pretty graphic representation of the window, just the text
in it as fast as possible.

Oh, and yes I do use the epson driver that came with 6.304 for the
DeskJet.  That was the only way one in 6.304 for the DeskJet.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hshaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Hubert Shaw)
Subject: AMI Fast Disk EISA SCSI and OS/2
Summary: request for info on AMI SCSI controller
Keywords: SCSI
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: comp
Date:  6 Apr 92 06:42:41 GMT

Does anyone have experience installing OS/2 2.0 with an AMI
Fast Disk EISA SCSI controller.  This adapter is supposed to
be Adaptec 154x compatible.  An earlier post mentioned that
the install program incorrectly recognized this adapter as an
Adaptec and the user should manually reconfigure the system
to use the generic int 13 driver.  Can this adapter be used
with the Adaptec drivers?  Are there AMI specific drivers
available for 2.0?  Will performance suffer if the int 13
driver is used instead of an AMI specific driver?

Could someone who has the OS/2 2.0 readme file on installation
send me a copy.

Thanks in advance.

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Possible Reason for no OS/2 in Stores?
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:37:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.703071460
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

From a BBS:

    There's a report in the OS/2 monthly magazine that IBM has a
backorder log of OS/2 2.0 in the 2+ million range!! IBM completely
underestimated the demand for OS/2 and its possible popularity.
Strictly thru the 1-800-3-IBM-OS2 order line they've been completely
swamped with orders and don't expect any stock on local store shelves
for another two weeks.  What has been the most surprising is the large
numbers of Windows3.0 to OS/2 2.0 upgrades.


-- 
Fine day to throw a party.  Throw him as far as you can.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rsulliva@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert W Sullivan)
Subject: OS/2 on 386/40 with no parity
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:40:58 GMT

HI,
   I am considering upgrading my machine to a AMD 386/40 and
can get a good deal on RAM at the same time.  The question I have 
is that this RAM is 4x8 SIMMS.  The parity checking on the
motherboard can be disabled.  Has anyone ran OS/2 GA on a machine
with no parity checking?  Does OS/2 require this parity bit?  Any
replys will be appreciated.  (Please e-mail and I will summarize
and post.)

Still awaiting my GA copy!!!!
Bob Sullivan

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: Comdex report in clari.nb.ibm
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:29:51 GMT

dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) writes:



>There is a very good summary of the IBM-Microsoft conflict at comdex
>in the clari.nb.ibm newsgroup.


It sure would be nice to get it somehow, since I don't have access to 
clari here at work.

Mike


>-- 
>"We have developed Windows applications, but we didn't inhale."
>          -Philippe Kahn, Borland International
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikeh@microme.uucp (Michael L. Hasenfratz)
Subject: Re: News from L.A. OS/2 Celebration and COMDEX announcement
Organization: Micro Memory Inc., Chatsworth, Ca.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.221849.4629@hemlock.cray.com> bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.225834.5596@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>>I just got back from the OS/2 rollout at the Westin Bonaventure in downtown
>>L.A.
	[Stuff deleted]
>
>>...were reduced to oohs and aahs by the end of Reiswig's demo.  One cringed
>>at the requirement of 15-32Mb, but soon forgot about it when he saw everything
>>it did.
>
>Well, Stacker for OS/2 2.0 is coming.  Stac Electronic announced it at COMDEX.

	Thats it! Get an OS that 'SCREAM' if given FAST hardware, and then
funnel it though a compression to make up for it [blech!]

	GET REAL!
	GET A BIGGER DISK! [if thats what you need]
	GET OS/2! [if you can find it (are you listening IBM?)]
	and
	GET GOING!

>
>BTW, Gary Clow (President Stac Electronic) said Stac will be using the existing
>IBM beta test (EEP, etc) group to test this code!  ??Another feature on the
>CSD??  He did not say how soon the beta test would start but it sounded like
>May/June/July.
>
>Bert Moshier


Mike Hasenfratz - WA6FXT * mikeh@uMEM.COM or uunet!microme!mikeh
Micro Memory Inc.
Chatsworth, Ca. 91311
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: ga's applets
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:32:20 GMT

"bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
>
>I'm not impressed with the games, especially Klondike.  Windows
>Solitaire is definitely more appealing visually -- the cards look
>nicer, more accurate, etc.  First impressions last and my first
>impression was bad.

Yes, visually Klondike can't compare with Solitaire at all.  But
it does have some nice features that Solitaire doesn't: the cards
resize to the size of the window, and when the cards "flip" the
spinning is quite nice.

The Chess game is well done.  Took me a few minutes to figure out
how to change the difficulty of the game though.  In the demo I
saw here at IBM headquarters the IBM rep started formatting a floppy,
ran a scrolling DOS program in a window, started a game of chess with
the computer playing itself, and went on to do some word processing
to show how responsive the system still was.
From: lavog00@DMI.USherb.CA (GUYLAIN LAVOIE)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS2 montly magazines?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:55:54 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke, Quebec

Hi all, is-it possible to have to address of the OS/2 magazines?

thanks in advance, Guylain lavoie LAVOG00@terre.DMI.USherb.CA
From: lygre@hsr.no (Eirik Lygre)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM TCP/IP 1.2 and Lanman 2.1
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:47:58 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <etstjan.703171398@dutepp13> JPMvOorschot@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Jan van Oorschot) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'am trying to onstall IBM TCP/IP 1.2 on an LanMan 2.1 server. As you
>might suspect, this doesn't work.
>The server has HPFS386 loaded and a SCSI adapter, it is a real IBM
>PS/2 model 70 wit 8 Mb.
>The server itself runs fine.
>The system crashes on 'config.sys' time when loading the inet.sys
>driver. (Trap 000D, contact you ....)
>I already install this TCP/IP on a Lanman 2.0 client, and this worked
>fine. 
>I commented the netbeui.os2 and netwksta.sys from config.sys, but i still
>get the same crash.
>
>Any suggestions ?
>
>Jan
>
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>-- P.O.Box 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands ------ Fax: (31)-15-784898 --

You probably have two options (if this is the problem I think it is). It is
related to not having a DOS-session; TCP/IP actually requires one!

1) Change your PROTECTONLY=YES to PROTECTONLY=NO in config.sys
   This should get it up-and-working for now, until you get number 2:

2) Get the CSD's for TCP/IP, which fixes this bug.

If this is not what causes your bug, I'm sorry to say that I cannot help you.

Eirik Lygre
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lygre@hsr.no
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: amadeus@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Richrath)
Subject: reasonable ftp sites for OS/2 V2.0 and other ?'s :) 
Summary: looking for informations about ftp-sites for OS/2 V2.0 and more
Keywords: OS/2 V2.0 Trident-VGA-8900 ftp-sites
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: n
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:24:03 GMT

hi all!

i am looking for reasonable ftp sites containing stuff for OS/2 V2.0.
especially i would be happy if someone knew such a ftp site located in
germany, but (of course) i will be glad about any information.

what i am looking for, are new vga drivers for the trident 8900 vga card. i
have these old ones for V1.3 that are supposed to run under V2.0 too, but
they dont. 

could anyone give me some informations? if yes it would be nice if you sent
a short email to

	amadeus@cs.tu-berlin.de

thank you!

greetings, axel
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: V2 upgrade installation
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:34:20 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <17400.29e02d2e@ecs.umass.edu> horan@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>When I get my upgrade from 1.3, can I reformat, (read delete windows and dos)
>partition, and do what ever I like to my drive as I install v2.
>or do I have to install v2 over 1.3 as in the case of DoS upgrades?
>(I'm speeking about the free upgrade from 1.3 to 2.0

The upgrade is a matter of price, not product.  You get the same box
anyone else does.  DOS, Windows, and OS/2 do not need to be on your
hard disk.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: restoring icons??
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:10:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: comp

One more time.  The only way to backup and restore undr DOS is full disk
image.  The EA DATA.SF has real sector addresses implied that don't mean
squat if files are restored to different places. Elegant, huh.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc