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From: ismith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:56:30 GMT

>  He vetoed a number of pro-choice legislation, even though the popular
>  wisdom was that he would be hurt in the general public by doing so.
>  So much for hypocrisy.
>
>>
>>I assume Warrior for Christ also ties in with Bush's "return to morality",
>>ie the slaughter of 100,00 Iranians. Oh, but of course, they're not white
>>foetuses, so they don't count.
>
>   Hmmm. born people count, and unborn people don't?
     I think what he was trying to say is that Bush will protect the unborn,
(nothing wrong with that) but will kill Iranians for his purposes.(i.e.
Unborn people count but unborn people dont.) You twisted what he said to 
suit your purposes.

      I don't understand why people want to condemn Clinton & Gore for
their views. Like it or not more than just Christians live in this country,
and not everyone has the same views as we do. Being pro-choice isnt
necessarily for abortion. Im against abortions, but I honestly dont know
whether or not I beleive that the gov't should have to make that decision.
If everyone agreed that an unborn child is a life there wouldnt be a problem,
but unfortunately everyone doesnt believe that. So whos will does the gov't
follow?

   And while Im at it, a good part of the Rep. party platform bothers me.
So why would I want to vote for Bush just because of his stance on the 
governments role in abortion.  I think the country in my opinion has
taken a nose dive under the Bush/Reagan era. As a friend of mine just said
the other day "This country is going to Hell, and we cant even afford a 
handbasket." And I dont want to get off on a big tangent, but Ill some up
my reasons for not supporting Bush. Being black I would hate to see the
strides that this country has taken forward in at least tolerating one another
go continue to go backwards with cont. Repub. "rule", and the economy is in
shambles which strains race relations further. The Republican party is not
interested in you unless you have mo and fit the "American" mold.
I guess thats why 91% of African Americans did not vote for Bush.

   OK now that thats out of my system, has anyone bought the new Bryan
Duncan CD/tape.  Its really good. I think his best one yet.
Also, does anyone know when David Meece's new album comes out? I heard
Oct. but I havent seen it anywhere.

My $0.02 worth

Chris

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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:56:42 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Lately I've been thinking of opening random topics.  It seems that this
newsgroup is either following one of the two extremes of music...adult
contemporary or the heavy stuff.  Now I am not knocking anything, I'm just
going to start posting random subjects to be discussed openly.


The first one:

I've been listening to the Pray For Rain CD, and both me and my guitarrist have 
loved this album ever since we started to listen to them.  It almost has a
Beatle-esque sound to it at times.  The bass player is fantastic and he keeps
your interest (I play bass myself).  Also the lyrics are full of meaning!  

So, what does everyone else think of this album, Pray For Rain's musicians, or
whatever!
From: gg21@prism.gatech.EDU (Gayle G. Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Handel's young MESSIAH
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:15:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I may be WAY behind the times, but I just purchased Handel's young MESSIAH.
Was there a review?  If so, could someone send it to me?  I would like
to hear other people's opinions.
I have been a choral singer for quite a while now and I was a bit disappointed
in the quality of the choir on the tape.  Are there any other opinions out
there?

Thanks!

Gayle
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From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:12:20 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Dept. of Mathematics

In article <1992Nov10.023715.20059@cas.org>, taj26@cas.org (Ty Jacobs) writes:
>In article 2104@shaman.wv.tek.com, dianebi@ice.wv.tek.com (Diane Biernat) writes:
>> 
>> Does anyone know the tour schedule for Michael W. Smith?  Or do you know
>> where I can get one?  When Amy Grant was in Portland over a year ago she 
>> said he was coming here soon, but we haven't heard anything since then.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>
>The next Smitty tour starts in January '93.  You can call 1-900-7SMITTY for
>concert schedule details ($0.95 per minute).
>
>-Ty Jacobs  taj26@cas.org   Columbus, Ohio



I only know one date.  That is March 16th at the Palace of Auburn Hills, outside
of Pontiac.  Tickets are not yet on sale.

See Ya,

Steve
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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:16:04 GMT
Organization: Micronav International

In article <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:

>  This might not be the best group to ask this question, since I'm not
>speaking specifically about CCM artists, but.... here goes.

>  What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
>music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
>went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
>more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.

>  I have Ms. Grant's old Christmas album, and very much like the
>coherence there is in the tracks on the disc.  With the possible
>exception of an unfortunate version of "Sleigh Ride", every song on
>the album is very nice.  I've read the good buzz on her new album
>which has been posted here, so I am thinking of checking that out.

>  I also have Nat King Cole's Christmas album, which I recommend.
>Emmylou Harris also has released an album, new for this year, I
>believe.  If you like country and bluegrass, there are some very nice
>tracks on this album, including "Beautiful Star of Bethlehem" and
>"Christmas Time's a Coming".  

>  Well, there are others which I like, but if anyone else has a
>passion for Christmas albums, I would love to hear from you.

>  Thanks!


>--Raymond Flournoy        
>======================================================================
>flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
>Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
>Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon


If you like rock music like Halo and Petra, then you would probably enjoy 
"Rock Power Praise Vol II - Christmas Hymns".  It contains many traditional 
hymns performed by Pakaderm artists like Halo and the rest of the 
Heard.  I enjoy this one all year round.

Another good one is by Acapella/Acapella Vocal Band

Mike Mac Cormack
Micronav International Inc
P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
Sydport Industrial Park,
Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:55:58 GMT

math1rb@rosie.uh.edu writes:


>What's wrong with bucking authority? 

Well, as long as it isn't going against God's will, Scripture tells us
to obey all authority.
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From: cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:02:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <nestabro.721489742@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

Just give your kid some cool christian metal - Deliverance, Believer,
Crucified, Vengeance Rising, Sacred Warrior, etc., etc.  Then buy extra
Cd's so he can give them to his friends.  If you do that he and his friends
will get over MetalliBob soon enough.

Later,
Randy
From: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Where are they now?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:19:42 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

James Roy Smith jr writes:
>Commander Keen writes:
>->Vector (to my knowledge) is no more.  However, 2 members of the group
>->I can give you info on.
>
>	i was just over at True Tunes in Wheaton this past weekend and i
>happened to but Mannequin Virtue/Please Stand By on cd -- a 20 track disc
>for $14.  pretty nice.  at true tunes, they had a stack of vector's new
>(latest?) cd that was a foot and a half tall.  there was also a concert
>t-shirt hanging on the wall.  i'm sorry i don't remember the name of the
>album but i think it was released within the past year (1992 release if my
>memory serves me correct).
>	so, something tells me that Vector might still be but i am not
>completely sure.  maybe someone else can clarify...

i've been following this thread all the way through, and i assumed that there
was someone else on this group who knew more about vector than i do...guess
not...

okay, let's see if i can remember the discography...

mannequin virtue (gaga records, 1982?)
please stand by (gaga records, 1984?)
simple experience (gaga records, 1991)

for those of you who are familiar with genesis' existence, vector is very
similar...each individual member does his own thing, and they get together
every once in a while and do an album...vector doesn't have near the name in
Christian music that genesis does in secular, but they ought to...the newer 
album (simple experience) is one of the best album's i've heard...

i've not heard nearly as much of mannequin virtue and please stand by, but
what i have heard has been excellent...

by the way, vector is steve griffith (bass/vox) and jimmy a (guitars), and i
believe mannequin virtue features charlie peacock on keys.

nowadays steve is doing a lot of production work (the latest thing i know of
that he was involved with was the production of the prayer chain's excellent
ep, I THINK...don't quote me on that) (but buy the prayer chain disc anyway)
and jimmy has his solo album out (entertaining angels, sparrow 1992).

and, like somebody else said, we all know about charlie, don't we?  8-)

(if you don't know about charlie, e-mail is welcome.)

clueless chuck
pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu

don't blame me...i voted for bush/quayle.
From: jonp@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Pennington)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:14:07 GMT
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian


    Yeah, right.

    "In those days John Sununu took a vacation with taxpayer's money, and took
    the presidential nominee with him.  And while they were swimming in the 
    Hilton pool, the spirit of God descended from the heavens in the shape
    of an elephant, and a voice thundered from above, 'This is my beloved
    GOP candidate, with whom I am well pleased.  Listen to him.'"  

    "And from that day forth the candidate went out and spake unto the masses
    saying, "'Hey, it's really not that bad.  Consider this recession thing.

** verbose rambling deleted***


    Andy Whitman
    AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
    att!cblpn!ajw  or
    ajw@cblpn.att.com

Thanks for the discourse in thoughtless rhetoric!
From: jartsu@vipu.hut.fi (Jartsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: What is "progressive" music?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:39:05 GMT
Reply-To: Jari.Lehto@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


Somebody asked here what is "industrial" music. 
Well, I ask what is "progressive" music, and I hope that somebody
couldgive as good answers as the "industrial" question got.

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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:52:37 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov11.155642.8637@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> I've been listening to the Pray For Rain CD, and both me and my guitarrist have 
> loved this album ever since we started to listen to them.  It almost has a
> Beatle-esque sound to it at times.  The bass player is fantastic and he keeps
> your interest (I play bass myself).  Also the lyrics are full of meaning!  
> 
> So, what does everyone else think of this album, Pray For Rain's musicians, or
> whatever!
> 
Well, it is an AWESOME tape, but the thing is, its so darn short. I get hung
upon stuff like that, and I don't like buying short tapes. Nevertheless, I
still may buy this one, because it seems to have an instant appeal to me. Can't
really explain it. Are they coming out with more stuff soon?
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From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:16:56 GMT


>In article <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>|> 
>|>   This might not be the best group to ask this question, since I'm not
>|> speaking specifically about CCM artists, but.... here goes.
>|> 
>|>   What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
>|> music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
>|> went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
>|> more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.
>|> 

>|>   Thanks!
>|> 
>|> 
>|> --Raymond Flournoy        


I just had to add some of my favorites, since I wanted to respond to the 
last poster on this and didn't take the time:

One of my ultimate favorites is THe Statler Brothers "Christmas Present".
Others include: John Denver - "ROcky MOuntain Christmas", Doug Oldham - don't
know the name off-hand, but he probably hasn't done more than one, Paul 
Sandberg - "This Christmas", Bing Crosby - "White Christmas"(I had no idea 
Rosemary Clooney was Debbie Boone's M-I-L!!), The Imperials Christmas Album, 
Randy Travis' Christmas, Evie Tournquist Carlson - "COme on Ring Those Bells",
just to name a few!!

In fact, I'm about ready to start playin' `em anytime!!
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!)
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:02:49 GMT

Since this is the second all-night session in a row, I'm getting a bit 
touchy.  Excuse me.

burtp@rs6418.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:

>harsh >electronic >dark >(most of it anyway)
I suppose so.

>Christian musicians:
>	Mortal
>	Global Wave System
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Thank you for mentioning gWs.  The album will be out on Blonde Vinyl
	in January.  Buy it.  I must advertise, becuase BV doesn't do much.

>	Deitiphobia
>	X-Propogation
>	Under Midnight
>	Gadget (??????)
>	Blackhouse (??????)
>	Mental Destruction (??????)
Add:	Circle of Dust
	

>Secular musicians
>	nine inch nails
>	ministry
>	skinny pupy
>	front 242
>	808 state
	^^^^^^^^^
	No, no, no, 808 state is house or maybe techno.


>give some of this stuff a listen to.  you sort of have to be in the right
>mood!

True.  I hardly ever am anymore.

>techno is:
>happy (usualy) >very upbeat >repetetive >electronic
Pretty much true.

>Christian Musicians:
>	Dance House Children
>	Gyradelix
Add:	The Prodigal Sons

>	Painted Orange
>	Code of Ethics
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	No, Code of Ethics is techno-POP, like Information Society.  I can't
	tell what P.O. is.  Technocraci is techno-pop.

>Secular Musicians
>	pet shop boys
>	depeche mode
	^^^^^^^^^^^^
	No, these are techo-POP or Euro-pop or something like that.
	A band called L.A.Style does that "James Brown is Dead" song, which
	is techno.

>rave is:

Rave is a dance party with lots of mind-altering drugs.


christian E! / globalWAVEsystem
If we did techno we'd be globalRAVEsystem

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From: ismith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: HELP on David Meece
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:50:55 GMT

just in case nobody has answered this. All the songs you mentioned can be
found on "Chronology". Its a greatest hits album.

Chris

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From: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: pray for rain...
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:50:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1dujjuINNqsm
Reply-To: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

pray for rain?  For those of you who are listening to all of us talk about pray
for rain and have no clue what they sound like, it's quirky pop/alternative
type stuff...i have never been so struck by a song as i was by "do you want to
know love"...talk about sonic whiplash...

the rest of the album is outstanding as well.  interesting sonic effects all
over the place...check out the intro to "home again" when you pick up the
disc...stand by for ludicrous speed...

note i said "when you pick up the disc," not "if you pick up the disc."  it's
that good.  you ought to like it no matter your tastes.  (unless, of course,
you're into thrash or classical...in which case it'll be way too mellow or way
too harsh, respectively...)

clueless chuck
pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
"do you think this is a bogus idea?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: manitp@vccsouth25.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: RE: Joshua? Anyone? Anyone?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:47:34 GMT

Hey this is a followup to my last post on Joshua for all who give a darn.

Everything I wrote was correct except for a few tiny details:

1) the copy of "Surrender" I have on vinyl is on a german company
called Bellaphon.

2) the company that now has Joshua and Crystavox is Ocean

3) the keyboardist changed his name from "some other guy" to PATRICK
BRADLEY.

4) the question mark behind "Jeff" should be ommitted.  I have verified
mr. Fenholt's first name with the credit list.

5) i get a strong sense of deja-vu that I posted all this before like
back in May when I gave my dissertation on the history of Magdallan

		later;

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From: burtp@rs6409.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:19:35 GMT

In article <19206@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In article <nestabro.721489742@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>
>Just give your kid some cool christian metal - Deliverance, Believer,
                                                             ^^^^^^^^
>Crucified, Vengeance Rising, Sacred Warrior, etc., etc.  Then buy extra
 ^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If mom & dad aren't disturbed yet they are about to be!!

Don't get me wrong, the underlined bands are incredible - if a person
is into "hardcore thrash metal" (such as myself).  I wouldn't recomend
them to a sixth grader who has listened to Carmen all his life...

Get some solid Christian commercial metal bands (Deliverance, Sacred
Warrior, etc).  These will be more appreciated by kids who are into
the "popular" bands like Metalica.

peace,
in Christ,
phil





Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken A. Roberge)
Subject: Extreme
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:59:49 GMT

	I was just wondering if Extreme has gone Christian or are there
just certain members that are Christians.. (reason i'm asking is because
they're being discussed on here quite a bit lately and I was wondering why)
 
 Thanks
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