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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Ethenol
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:16:08 GMT
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 > Why not try Natural Gas? I believe there are more sources for refueling.
> It to can increase power and use higher compression. It has an octane
> rating of about 110. I've been doing research on the use of Natural Gas
> in autos and there seems to be more interest and support for it than
> ethenol. Companies like PG&E, Arco, and the state of Oklahoma have
> invested alot into this and support it. I've seen a 300ZX running the
> Pikes' Peak race and it was quite competitive!
> 
> John Stucke

Well we are really looking more for a performance fuel so I'll list some
of the advantages to alcohol.  and disadvantages to.

Very high octane rating allows higher compression ratios as 14:1 

While containing less power per liter than gasoline it requires a richer
	burn mixture.  The loss in power per gallon is about 15 % but
	with the mixture being twice as much a gasoline you end up with
	about 70 % horse power increase.  However Nitro yields much more
	power than this even.

Alcohol runs cooler than gasoline.  Less wear etc. caused by overheating.

Achohol is a liquid that is much easier to handle and boittle than propane
	or lp gas.

Research has already been done on alcohol.  It is the prefered and soon to 
	become the only legal fuel in Brazil.  Do to polution laws.

Alcohol after burning leaves mostly water as an after product.

Research has already been done on squeezing horsepower out of alcohol as the
	AT/FC and AT/D classes use alcohol to run 1/4 mile times around
	5.88 sec at 239mph (1405 factor not far from the 1300 guide)


dennis

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Posted by: emory!picard.med.ge.com!bednarek (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 ~BHOSVWZ#097)
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Subject: Re: Hot vs Cold Gas
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:12:13 GMT
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robert@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.a.littlefield) writes:

>... what advantage does one
>get from cooling or heating fuel? I've seen many drag racers cooling cans
>of gasoline before a run, while I've also noticed that some Formula 
>racers heat the fuel before running. Sorry if this is a dumb question, ...

No need to apologize; first, it ain't a dumb question, and second, if you
establish a precedent of apologizing for dumb questions _I'll_ have to start
doing it too...

Drag racers cool fuel in order to get a little extra chilling of the intake
air (over and above the evaporative cooling due to the latent heat of the
fuel--the same thing that makes your skin feel cold when alcohol or acetone
or something dries up on it).  Cooler gas is denser, and therefore a given
volume of air contains more mass and thus can burn a greater mass of fuel to
produce more power.

I've never heard of heating fuel; at a guess, you'd do it for the same reason
that my street car has an exhaust-heat crossover and that damned thermostatic
air cleaner snout that forces my 400 CID engine to inhale through a 1" diameter
hole, namely to promote quick vaporization of the fuel.  If it is too cool, it
will vaporize slowly in the intake tract, which can lead to liquid as well
as vapor being present, which impairs even distribution to the cylinders
and cuts fuel efficiency; this would be a worse problem at high RPMs, as
there is less time available for vaporization, and maybe that's why they do it.
(The street heat is also used to prevent carburetor icing, but I doubt that
is a problem for Formula racers, as this problem occurs mostly at light
throttle with a relatively cool engine.)

Mark Looper
(fat ol' smallblock '70 Caprice, vaporware '64 Chevelle)

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Posted by: emory!cco.caltech.edu!looper (Mark D. Looper)
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Subject: Vericom Corp info?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:43:54 GMT
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Anyone know how to contact Vericom?  Is there a phone number or
address to write to.  None of the local performance shops around
here have a clue.  I am interested in some auto test equipment.

$0.02

Ericy 


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Subject: Re: ieee spectrum march 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:58:47 GMT
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hotrod@dixie.com writes:
"> this article is about bat sonar.  i am interested in discussing microphones
"> that could be used from a moving car in a sonar system.  does anyone
"> have any ideas regarding this.  the article discusses how bats use
"> a combination of frequency and time domain processing on sonar echos.
"
"
"Perhaps you might be able to gain some information from Polaroid Corp.
"I seem to remember their having an autofocusing camera that uses a 
"sonar type method.  Just a thought

they sell their sensor for ~$60.  it's very popular in robotics
circles.

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Posted by: emory!cbnews.cb.att.com!adh (andrew.d.hay)
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Subject: chromed plastic (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:41:35 GMT
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> Well I've tried several places, dealerships, after market chrome platers,
>Eastwood CO., and a Mr. G's in FT. Worth TX. Nobody does chrome plating
>of exterior plastic parts.
> The parts I have are the headlight housing covers to a '76 Chevy Vega.
>They really show thier age and I want to have them refurbished, but have
>run out of resources to try. So in one last attempt I am posting here in
>hopes that someone has done this, or knows where it can be done. Any help
>on this one would be greatly appretiated!!
>
>                                            Mark...
>
>[Anyone who knows, please post.  I have the same kind of need regarding
>the trim on a 79 El Camino that "shed" a few years ago.  JGD]
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>Posted by: emory!resdgs1.er.usgs.gov!mfugazzo (Mark Fugazzotto)
>
I've read about a product used by modelers to do their chrome trim called
"bare-metal foil".  I've wondered about its use on a couple of my interior
pieces that can't be done by vacuum aluminization, but I haven't researched
it yet.  You might see whether this is usable for the size pieces you want
to do, and whether it's durable enough.

David Wright

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Posted by: David Wright <emory!tog-34.hac.com!dwrig>
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: fuel map development
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:38:37 GMT
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It's finally time to get serious about fuel map development
for the speed-density based injection on our Formula-SAE car.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best methods
for developing a map?  RIght now, my plan is to develope
a good RPM vs T curve for the baseline pressure curve,
(have at least a starting point right now, kinda rich at 1500rpm
and steading leaning out as RPM increases), and then use that to
make an educated guess at the curves for higher MAP.  When we
get that done, the plan is to fire it up and take a variety of
data points at different RPM & MAP.  Since we can't do this
on the engine dyno due to technical difficulties (the 75hp
eddy current dyno we were using had a very low max RPM, and even
in first gear we couldn't absorb more than 12hp, and the owner of the
dyno insists on direct drive--no chain), we're going to try doing this
either on our nonfunctional chassis dyno (using a brake disc to
load it), or on the road.  If we do it on the road, we will need
something to monitor the UEGO and log RPM and A/F ratio.  Any suggestions
on equipment to do this, particularly for logging?  Anyone know how
to drive/read the UEGO (the one I have came with portable
Horiba meter).  One idea I had for logging was to convert/scale the
signals as audio signals, and storing each channel on a channel
of an audio cassette (would need a small stereo tap recorder).
Or is there a better way to do it?  At this point in the project,
the two major emphases are 1) getting everything done properly, and 2)
Not spending any money (the project is broke, supporting itself
by leaching off another project). 
Any comments are welcome and appreciated.

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Posted by: emory!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!lusky (Jonathan R. Lusky)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Hot vs Cold Gas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:48:04 GMT
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Hi. This group is new to our server, and I really enjoy it. Please forgive
me if this is a frequently asked question, but what advantage does one
get from cooling or heating fuel? I've seen many drag racers cooling cans
of gasoline before a run, while I've also noticed that some Formula 
racers heat the fuel before running. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but
I really am curious if the temperature makes any real performance difference
at all. 


Bob Littlefield

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Posted by: emory!cbnews.cb.att.com!robert (robert.a.littlefield)
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Subject: Methanol difficulties
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:33:35 GMT
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After getting the M85 Fourmula SAE car cranked up and running last night
(kinda rough, but the fuel curves were kinda off), I was looking forward
to a nice day of map development.  However, couldn't get the car to
start today...  replaced the fuel, cleaned the injectors, checked spark
(was a nice white spark), checked timing, cleaned injectors again,
changed plugs, etc.  An ocassional sputter, but no start.  Tonite we
noticed the fuel in the drum was just starting to turn yellowish.
Is M85 totally shot by the time it absorbs this much water?
We were getting fuel, as sometimes the plugs were coming out wet (and
we pulled the injectors and verified they were squirting).  Haven't
done a compression test yet, and the engine has run several times
before with the same fuel map.  Is it possible that the water in the
fuel is the problem, or am I definately looking at a blown headgasket
or such?

[John, I've not done much with M85 but I have a lot of experience
with pure methanol.  I've used it when it had so much water in it
oil would not stay mixed and would drop out in a cloud of oil
emulsion.  Assuming the moisture is not corroding the fuel injectors,
it should run.  I tried washing an injector in an aqueous cleaning
solution in the ultrasonic cleaner once.  The pintle stuck from 
corrosion before I could get air blown through it.  You might want
to check that.  It might be that the vapor pressure is just too low
to crank with a significant portion of water in the mix.  I always
started my engines on gas and turned the alky on after it warmed up.
JGD]
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Posted by: emory!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!lusky (Jonathan R. Lusky)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Ethanol
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:42:36 GMT
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-> Research has already been done on alcohol.  It is the prefered and
-> soon to      become the only legal fuel in Brazil.  Do to polution
-> laws.

 Brazil converted to alcohol about ten years ago.  They have few
accessible petroleum supplies and rely mostly on imported fuel and oil,
which doesn't help their foreign trade problems.

 The Brazilian government subsidized production of alcohol, but a couple
of years ago they finally relented and let the gas-burners back on the
road.  Even in Brazil's typically warm weather there were starting
problems, fuel economy stank, and despite subsidies the alcohol was
quite expensive.
                                                                          

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re: 383 Chevy Stroker : Who has experience ?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:26:49 GMT
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     I will report some information tomorrow.  Stand by!
                                   Scott

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Posted by: emory!iastate.edu!munson1
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Subject: Re: Ethenol
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:06:28 GMT
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hotrod@dixie.com writes:
"Research has already been done on alcohol.  It is the prefered and soon to 
"	become the only legal fuel in Brazil.  Do to polution laws.

this may be the 'stick', but the 'carrot' is that brazil can produce
alcohol locally, whereas they must import gasoline.

[even the Brazillians have backed off on the 100% ethanol rule. They
could no longer afford the government to subsidize it with oil as 
cheap as it is now JGD]

a nomenclatural nitpick -- 'ethenol' is not just a mis-spelling for
'ethanol'.  it would be ch2=choh [a derivative of ethene/ethylene],
instead of ch3-ch2oh [a derivative of ethane].

btw, many articles are getting double-posted here -- once via the
internet, a second time through the mailing list.  is there some way
of correcting this, perhaps by defining the group as 'moderated' so
that articles are mailed to hotrod for posting instead of being posted
directly?

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[You think multiple postings are bad on your end! :-)  When a well-connected
machine is set up improperly I can get as many as 100 duplicate messages,
each from a connected site that IS configured right.  I've added a filter
in the list handler to screen out repeats but some still slip through.
The solution is easy.  Ask your site admin to mark alt.hotrod as "m" in the 
news active file and include the following line in the news "mailpaths" file:

alt.hotrod 	hotrod@dixie.com

That'll do it.  JGD]
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Posted by: emory!cbnews.cb.att.com!adh (andrew.d.hay)
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Subject: Trolling For Taillights
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:29:49 GMT
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	I thought y'all would be mighty amused to find that in the book
_A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets_, the author, retired NY state trooper
James Eagan describes using an unmarked car at night to follow a guy who
had an obvious radar detector.  The cop pulled up behind him and zapped.
The detector dude stomped on the brakes and dived for the left lane.  So did
the cop.  Detector dude stomps on the gas again after looking around.  Cop
follows him and zaps him again.  Guy stomps the brakes, looks around, and
gets back on the loud pedal.  Cop zaps him AGAIN, with the same result.  Guy
speeds up again and the cop finally pulls him over, laughing so hard he could
barely see.  The author writes that he regretted making the stop because now
he would never know just how many times he could have yanked this guy's chain.

	Now, considering that this was a COP running TFT, got the guy good
three times, then nuked him, how many points was this session worth?  Is there
an extra multiplier for the poor fool not realizing that he was being trolled
by a cop?  Too funny.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

[Gee, I never thought of that catagory :-)  Guess I need to add it to
the list, huh.  JGD]
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Subject: Re: Ethenol
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-> invested alot into this and support it. I've seen a 300ZX running the
-> Pikes' Peak race and it was quite competitive!

 Lots of competitors at the Peak have run alternative fuels.  Ak Miller
has campaigned propane-burning cars for ages.


-> ethenol. Companies like PG&E, Arco, and the state of Oklahoma have

 Do you know the address of where to write in Oklahoma for information,
or the name of the office that's sponsoring the work?
          

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Ford EFI/E4OD (fwd)
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Forwarded message:
>From emory!phx.mcd.mot.com!russell Fri Jan 22 15:01:38 1993
X-Delivered: at request of jgd on rsiatl
From: emory!phx.mcd.mot.com!russell (mark russell)
Message-Id: <9301221933.AA20158@wrks4me>
Subject: Ford EFI/E4OD
To: jgd@dixie.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:33:05 MST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3]


I have a question about Ford EFI and E4OD combinations, but I can't
post newsgroup to 'alt' due to restrictions of my machine. If you
could answer/post this, I'd appreciate it.

I have a '92 F-150. I'd really like to improve the upper RPM
capabilities of the 351. I'd like to use the mass air sensor
as a basis for further modifications.

I cannot use the mass air conversion, as far as I know, since it is for
302s and/or AODs only (so they say in the '92 Ford Perf catalog).

Are there any Ford vehicles with the S-EFI/mass air and the E4OD?
Which ones?

Can the computers (micro-controllers) for the EFI and E4OD be
thought of as having 'inputs' and 'outputs' (throttle position,
O2, injector control, shift rpm, etc.)? Are they seperate computers?
What are the inputs and outputs if they exist?

Are there good sources of tech info for a novice (like me) on the above
subjects?

Thanks for any help

Mark Russell
russell@mcd.phx.mot.com

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Having gotten fed up with the standard seat belts in new cars, I have
started an experiment in my Fiesta concerning high quality seat belts.

I have done most of the work to install a single loop seat belt bar
for the correct attachment of 4 point belts.  I am using the existing
mounting points to hold the bar, and am thinking of using some
triangulation for better stiffness.  

I am using 2" by 1/8" mild steel box tubing throughout.  Quite a
workout for my band saw, and the most welding I have ever done.
My belts are the ~$70 set from Summit.

Can anybody relate any thouthts or pointers as I go on?  Things like 
what proper belt alignment is, and the adequacy of using the existing
mounts and 2" box tubing.  Remember, this is an experiment, practice
in case I buy a new car with those !$#@$@$#@ new electric belts that will 
have to be discarded immediatly.
	 Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
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