From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Meet Petey Ny, propoganda specialist.
Keywords: abortion, digoxin, laminaria
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:12:16 GMT

In <1992Dec22.012821.14804@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:

>In article <nyikos.724627328@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>[Lots of unsubstantiaqted hearsay garbage deleted]

>>	abortion patients were briefly counseled that they could not
>>							   ^^^^^^^^^	
>>	choose to stop the procedure once it had started, but could
>>	^^^^^^
>>
>Is this supposed to be suprising? face facts Petey. After the
>procedure is started, it can't be stoped. The fetus is dead, and
>halting the procedure would be a good way to ensure that the woman
>dies.

Correct would be, "once the fetus has been killed, the procedure
can't be stoped [your spelling; I will correct your "facts" about
abortion procedures and leave it to Mr. Finkelstein to correct your
spelling].  The fetus is dead..."

Y'see, you well-informed authority with sterling credentials, Dr. Tiller
begins some of his procedures, especially on women prior to 23 weeks who
opt for suction curette, D&C, or D&E rather than the digoxin special,
with the insertion of laminaria.  He even RECOMMENDS the two-day procedure
for 1st trimester abortions as being more "gentle." And it often IS safe to
halt a procedure after laminaria have been inserted.  One woman even 
changed her mind after being 3cm dilated, and had an uneventful full-term
delivery.

>[Lots more unsupported hearsay evidence deleted]

Heh.  How many women will have to be fired from Tiller's clinic before
you've stopped [my spelling, since I am using the word this time]
dismissing their combined testimony as "unsupported hearsay"?

>>I put "sic" after "oxytocin" because I am under the impression that this
>>is the name for the natural hormone, whereas the hormone administered 
>>intravenously is known as "pitocin."  BTW, digoxin is a compound related
>>to digitalis with similar action on the heart, and is not to be confused
>>with the even more lethal chemical dioxin.
>> 
>Incorrect, as usual, Petey. Pitocin is a brand name for a hormone of
>either synthetic or natural origin called oxytocin.

OK, I'll take your word for this one.  Note, I did say "under the
impression".  Susan Garvin could teach you a thing or two about
selective deletions.  You are making things way too easy for me
by leaving the relevant text up there.

>Digoxin is not "related to" digitalis, it *is* digitalis.

Hmmm.  I don't have my dictionary with me, but it gave a chemical formula
for digoxin, and it was NOT the same one it gave for digitoxin, which it
identified as the chief active ingredient of digitalis.  

This was Merriam-Webster's 9th Intercollegiate Dictionary (Larry Margolis,
take note!  Mark contradicted you rather badly about fertilized eggs)
published in 1990. 

> What is your
>problem with it's use to stop a heart?
	      ^^^^

The same problem you'd have if someone you cared about had were subjected
to its use to stop his/her heart.
   ^^^

>Jeeez Petey, if you're going to post this gaqrbage, at least make some
>minimal effort to get yoru facts straight.
		       ^^^^

Pot. Kettle. Larry can fill you in on the rest.

[Or, rather, Mezias can fill y'all in on the rest, with a connection to
networker Bartley, who is a lot more careful with her facts than
either Mezias or the Brothers Cochran are with theirs.]

Peter Nyikos

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