From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: kahane's judaism
Organization: LC
Distribution: talk
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 01:38:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.1777.22123@channel1> "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com> writes:
>To: David Makowsky
>
>Let's see if we can summarize where we stand.
>
>To my request that you provide the name of one reputable
>international lawyer who is not an emotional Zionist and who has
>defended Israel's recent mass deportations you produced zip.
>
>To my request that you back up the charge that Bush and Baker
>relied on legal hacks to implement some of their policies you
>produced zip.
>
>I still don't have a single checkable source from you regarding
>either issue.
>
>To my post from Ha'aretz which quotes Kahane calling for the mass
>deportation or murder of Arab "dogs," you reply that you don't
>believe he said such evil things.

I have a video tape of Kahane debating on Morton Downy Jr show
where he expresses acts of this type.  I'll watch it this weakend,
and quote him.  How about that.

Anyone interested in this tape, just write to ABC and ask them for
transcripts.

>Three points in response:
>
>1) Ha'aretz is one of Israel's most respected newspapers. If
>Ha'aretz reported that Kahane said these things, it is highly
>likely that he did indeed say them. The ball is in your court:
>prove that Ha'aretz is lying.
>
>2) If Ha'aretz is lying, it could be sued for libel by Kahane's
>family. I notice that Kahane and his followers and family never
>sued any newspaper, magazine, or book which reported that he said
>these awful things.
>
>3) I've seen and heard Kahane say these things with my own eyes
>and ears. He was recorded on film making remarks precisely like
>these in a documentary about Israel which appeared a few years
>ago.
>
>In sum, your response to the Ha'aretz article is weak indeed.
>
>I trust you would not like any major Christian leader to remark
>that Jews are dogs who should be deported or murdered in the name
>of Christianity. Your failure to show any moral outrage over
>Kahane's harangues that Arabs are dogs or insects who should be
>deported or murdered in the name of Judaism speaks poorly for
>your values and judgement.
>
>Perhaps you can explain away this passage from Robert Friedman's
>False Prophet (pages 214-215):
>
>     Kahane prepared several bills for the Knesset that were
>     shockingly reminiscent of the Nuremberg Laws, which the
>     Nazis had enacted against German Jews nearly five decades
>     earlier. One called for the expulsion of Israel's Arabs.
>     Another would have made it a crime punishable by two years
>     in jail for a Jewish woman to have sex with an Arab. A third
>     would have made it illegal to insult Judaism and the Jewish
>     people. "We state that anyone who declares that any verse or
>     saying in the Bible, the Talmud, or the Commentary isn't
>     true is racist and should be subject to three years in
>     prison," Kahane told me. He also called for confining
>     Israel's non-Jews to ghettos lest they pollute the
>     "authentic Jewish" spirit. As he put it in a speech he
>     delivered in New York in 1984: "The foreigners vomit their
>     sickness onto us, and we swallow it eagerly.... Let us vomit
>     them out and purge the Holy Land of all vestige of
>     impurity."
>
>Or this passage (page 217):
>
>     .... In a speech in Haifa on June 28, 1985, Kahane attacked
>     Jews and Arabs equally. "No one can understand the soul of
>     those (Arab) beasts, those roaches," glowered Kahane. "We
>     shall either cut their throats or throw them out. I only
>     say what you think." According to a report in Kolbo Haifa,
>     a Hebrew-language weekly newspaper in Haifa, Kahane then
>     directed a stream of obscenities against the mayor of Haifa,
>     Arieh Goral, and left-wing politicians Shulamit Aloni and
>     Yossi Sarid, whom he called "scoundrel," "dog,"
>     "disgusting," and "Jewish prostitutes who employ Arab
>     pimps."
>
>     Kahane concluded his harangue, which was megalomaniacal even
>     by his standards, by promising his audience: "In two years
>     time, they [the Arabs] will turn on the radio and hear that
>     Kahane has been named minister of defense. Then they will
>     come to me, bow to me, lick my feet, and I will be merciful
>     and will allow them to leave. Whoever does not leave will
>     be slaughtered."
>
>Do you feel no sense of shame, sir, in supporting a demagogue who
>would made such hateful remarks? Would you like to be the target
>of such remarks yourself? Is there no place in your form of
>Judaism for the ethics of the golden rule: treat others as you
>wish to be treated?
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