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From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Quadra-Trac thoughts?
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:13:47 GMT
    <1992Dec11.194945.4155@news.mentorg.com> 
    <ALC.92Dec15160921@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM>
Distribution: na
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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alc@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Al Chang) writes:


>The Quadra-Trac is more like the All wheel drives on cars with the
>option of a low. It is also beefer than the passenger car. It is aimed
>at people that really almost never use the vehicle off-road. It
>provides the safety and convenience. My sister bought a command-trac
>for the few off roads she intends, but like most people, it probably
>will not see. We know now that she should have gotten the Quadra-Trac.
>Selec-Trac is sort of in-between. 
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>Al Chang (516)346-6757,  FAX: (516)575-0965, email: alc@calvin.grumman.com
>Grumman Data Systems, 111 Stewart Avenue, MS D12/25, Bethpage, New York 11714
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I am not sure I agree with that.  QT is a full time 4-wheel drive that
is great to have on or off road.  I had a Cherokee ('78) with that, and
it was great.  You couldn't stop the thing on or off the road.  What I 
disliked was the expensive gear oil you had to use.  I never had a problem
with it.  Mine had a vacmume switch in the glove box that allowed you to
lock the front and rear axles together, like standard 4WD.  This was suppose
to help get you out of REAL bad places, but I found that the few times I
couldn't do what I want it was of no help, and I simply needed to rethink
what I was doing.  I don't know what changes they have made since then,
but based on then I would consider it again if I looked at Jeep.

Do they still offer it on the CJ line?

Leonard


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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Cougar XR/7
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:36:00 GMT

I just wanted to whine.  About a year or two ago, I heard that the 1993
Cougar Xr7 would have the 4.6L V8 in it producing around 300hp.  Cool,
I figured.  I always liked that car.  I almost bought one and would consider
it again.  Much to my dissapointment the 1993 XR/7 seems to have the same
damn 3.8L that's in the LS.  Anybody know if this is temporary or will
we never have the XR/7 as a powerhouse again?

The dealer doesn't know anything and I haven't spotted anything in the
mags (I'm not an avid reader though).  I thought ya all might have an
idea.

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: saturn repair costs
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.1429.27144@execnet>, "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com> writes:
|> Quoth Bill Norcott regarding SATURN REPAIR COSTS on 12-16-92:
|> 
|> BN>In article <Bz1wpr.8JE#fc.sde.hp.com>, jgg@fc.sde.hp.com (Jay Geertsen
|> BN>|> The December '92 issue of Money magazine has a special report entit
|> BN>|> "How To Get Your Best Deal On Wheels".  It includes a section calle
|> BN>|> "Money's Second Annual Car-Cost Ratings", pp. 140-160.
|> BN>|>
|> BN>|> According to their charts, Saturns have the _highest_ "average five
|> BN>|> repair costs not covered by warranty".
|> BN>
|> BN>Hmm, that's a neat trick, since they won't have five years' worth of
|> BN>history on Saturn until 1996.
|> 
|> And they won't have five years' worth of out-of-warranty history until the 
|> turn of the century!  Money must have hired some kinda psychics!

Actually, doesn't this refer to things like Oil Changes, Tune Ups, Tires, etc?
(unless all of this stuff is covered by a Saturn Warranty).  I imagine they 
probably extrapolated to five years to make the data.

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Admiral Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
"I'm all lost in the Supermarket.  I can no longer shop happily.
 I came in here for the special offer, guaranteed personality."
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: WHAT GM to Buy?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 04:30:52 GMT

In article <BzIxxn.n2@ccu.umanitoba.ca> cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca
(Cyrus Shafai) writes:
>Your father's friend sounds like my mother.
>You could look at an Olds 88, or a Buick LeSabre if your critera are
>ABS, airbag and a V6. The V6 in these cars is quite powerful (170HP) but
>still gets good mileage.  They also handle quite well depending on what
>suspention  you get.

If you must buy GM, then buy "Saturn".  There seems to be general agreement
on that; further, in the 1993 Consumer Report, the 1991 Saturns are listed with
a bright red bubble for the overall "Trouble Index".

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From: li@dogwood.botany.uga.edu ()
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:45:55 GMT

>|> The plastic cover on my '92 Ford Taurus was broken. It now has about a
>|> 2-3 inch hole in the middle of it roughly over the taillight. I called
>|> Ford to see if they had a new plastic cover in stock and got a quote 
>|> for $131! They want to sell me an entire rear light assembly which 
>|> includes three lihts (backup, brake/turn, and tail), plastic cover, 
>|> metal assembly, etc.  
>|>   Has anyone found a way to get around this RIPOFF besides anchoring
>|> a piece of red cellophane over the hole?
>|> 
>|> Bart Frank
>|> Internet: BFRANK@AARDVARK.UCS.UOKNOR.EDU

I hate to say that you as a consumer you deserve this kind of 
treatment because you bought this product(therefore supported
their idea of a new car). To get around this is not to buy cars
like this next time. It rules out too many cars i know, but you asked.
Organization: Naval Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:07:20 -0500 
From: "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 S...

As to the 100LS engine, the inclined, straight 5 cyl (Or was it 4? Can't
remember.) was originally developed and abandoned by MB.  Good thing. 
It was a dog.  Anyway, the salesman placed great importance on that fact
during his pitch.  Audi in those days was marketed as the small MB that
MB didn't build.  It's no accident that the number "100" was used -- it
fit nicely right below the "200"s at the bottom of the MB line.  In
fact, even the size and style of the numbers were the same as those on
the MB.  They were even in the same place on both cars -- right side of
the trunk lid.  Coming from a salesman, I was of course skeptical.  (Not
quite skeptical enough, unfortunately, since I bought it.)  But I have
read the same thing at least once since in a car magazine.

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From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)
Subject: Re: Tire balancing
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:54:59 GMT

In article <Bz0D6u.1wo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>>erodrigu@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edgar Rodriguez) writes:
>>
>>
>>>    I just rotated tires on my car and it developed excesive vibrations
>>>between 30-45 mph; it vibrates some at around 57 and 62. I was told
>>>that wheel balancing does not cure the low speed vibrations, myth or
>>>fact. Any ideas on what could be the cause?
>>>Thanks for any info.
>
>Damn!!!!!!!
>
>The same exact thing happened to me!!!!!!
>
>One day I rotated the tires, and the entire car shakes at 55mph! No
>apparent reason. I even had the tires balanced afterwards, and the car
>still shakes!! I replaced the U-joints too. The car still shook, so I got
>the tires balanced again. It STILL shakes at 55 to this day!
>
>What in the HELL is causing this!!!
>
>Anybody have a revalation to this???
>
>Mike
>-- 
>|       Michael G. Mshar        | My Life-Long Goal: To keep common sense    |
>|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
>|  mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   |     \\President, Nice Guys Anonymous//     |
>|____>>> United States Steel, Mechanical Engineer, Technical Services <<<____|

It's possible that you had the tires balanced on the car the first time, 
so if you had a really imbalanced brake rotor/drum it was balanced out,
and then on all subsequent balances, you had only the wheels balanced...
That's the only thing I could see happening...

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:53:05 -0500 
From: "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...


>>>     Toyota used to just say "TOYOTA" and now they have an emblem
>>>     (looks like a silly cattle brand to me).

Someone once described the new Toyota emblem as looking like "the
Michelin Man signaling a touchdown."
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Car Insurance
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:32:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BzGtI4.LAn.1@cs.cmu.edu> darcy+@cs.cmu.edu (Darcy Bullock) writes:
>
>
>I am not sure if this is the correct group to post to or not, but here goes.
>
>Our current Car insurance carrier is Nationwide.  At the end of the month we
>are moving from Pennsylvania to Louisiana.  Louisiana happens to be one of
>three states that Nationwide does not write policies in so we must find
>another carrier.
>
>However, my wife had an "at fault" collision in August of 91 and our carrier
>paid $450.00 to fix the other guys bumper.  Nationwide did not raise our
>premiums, but now that we are shopping for a new carrier our premiums will
>more then double.  Does anybody have a suggestion on how to get car
>insurance at a "reasonable" price?
>
>
no matter who you go with spend some very serious time going over each of 
your coverages and bag the ones you don't need and up your deductibles.
many coverages are a scam...such as 'medical' which won't pay a penney if you
have any other health insurance.  also underinsured is a scam.
From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Where to buy Centerforce clutches
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Distribution: usa

Is there someone who gets magazines whose mail order section features
Centerforce clutches that could give me the ordering information from
a few of those suppliers?

Thanks.

JSLee
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From: alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Eric Alter)
Subject: Re: hit and run accident
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:52:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester Mn

In article <sward.724142944@uclagsm>, sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
|> brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >In article <1992Dec11.190109.17162@unocal.com>, stsshol@st.unocal.COM (Herb Lam) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> My girlfriend was involved in a hit and run accident couple months
|> >|> back.  Her light had just turned green so she started to make a left.
|> >|> A pickup ran a red light had hit her front left end.  At first, the
|> 
|> >|> girlfriend just got her car back recently but had to pay a $500 
|> >|> deductible.  Is there anything she can do to get some of the $500
|> >|> back?  If the police gets lucky and catch the guys (the guys left 
|> >|> their name tags from work and car registration in the pickup, though 
|> >|> the pickup may not be theirs), should she prosecute?
|> >|> 
|> 
|> >She might be able to file suit, but probably not for $500. That would most
|> >likely fall into small claims court, but from the sound of this it may be
|> >more hassle than it's worth trying to get any money out these bozos.
|> 
|> Wrong.  She gets to sue and collect for the total amount of damage to
|> her car, not just what she's personally out of pocket.  If she
|> collects, she must then reimburse her insurance company for the amount
|> they paid.  If the total is enough, she may get her insurance company 
|> interested in getting the money out of the little weasels in court.  Of
|> course, she also gets the satisfaction of seeing them get in lots of
|> trouble for leaving the scene of an accident and driving without insurance.
|> 
|> But my question is, where did this happen?  If the registration was in the
|> pickup, why haven't the police picked up the guys?  You must live somewhere
|> the police don't bother with "minor" crimes like LA (where I have the
|> misfortune to live.)  The real problem here appears to be the fact that	
|> the police won't do anything.
|> 
|> Sidne Ward
|> 
|> sward@agsm.ucla.edu


Take 'em to court.  A couple of years ago I was going though a
light (that was green) and a couple
of ***holes inched out their car into the intersection.   I swerved enough
so that I bounced off the front of their car and didn't hit them straight
on.  They said I ran the light which was wrong.
Pretty much totaled the car.  The insurance company
worked on sueing them and finally dropped it about a year later calling
it no-fault I believe.  That's bullshit, get 'em for what they deserve.
-- 

Eric Alter
From: john@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Romanski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Flying speed traps
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:16:53 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

ALOIS M. HIMSL (amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) wrote:
: and you will be OK. Also when driving in other states it is also helpful to
: know what kind of marked and unmarked cars the police use. Here in PA the ugly
: Chevy Caprice sticks out like a sore thumb.  They are very easy to spot.  The
: bottom line is just keep your eyes open and stay alert.

This is true, driving to Boston I was surprised to see a speeding motorist being chased down by an unmarked police car- a brand new Black Mustang with cherry   lights mounted inside the back window.
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From: Chuck@clemson.edu (Chuck Heck)
Subject: Re: SHO Electrical Troubles
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:54:45 GMT

In article <16598.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)  writes:
> 
Stuff deleted

> charging system since then, and it was fine.  I suspect the problem lies more
> with the Motorcraft battery then the SHO charging system.
> 

Does anyone know the rating of the SHO alternator?  My shop manual lists the
stock Taurus alternator at 100 amps, but makes no mention of alternator on
the SHO.

Chuck
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From: lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (Joshua C. LaGrange)
Subject: Re: Chrysler Invented Cab-forward?
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 06:38:34 GMT

Cab forward=VW Bus

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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tire balancing
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Dec11.195459.23591@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>It's possible that you had the tires balanced on the car the first time, 
>so if you had a really imbalanced brake rotor/drum it was balanced out,
>and then on all subsequent balances, you had only the wheels balanced...
>That's the only thing I could see happening...

Nice try, but no go. The tires were balanced off of the car every time,
from the time they were new till present day. I replaced the drums and
rotors after this started, but it had no effect on the vibration. 

The damned thing is just possesed, that`s all.

Mike

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|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
|  mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   |     \\President, Nice Guys Anonymous//     |
|____>>> United States Steel, Mechanical Engineer, Technical Services <<<____|
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From: colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson)
Subject: FOR SALE: CUSTOM WHEELS
Keywords: for sale: custom wheels
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 00:00:27 GMT

FOR SALE: 4 custom wheels....14" X 4.5", 4 hole
          "Ultra" brand, diamond mesh pattern (?)
          Will fit many Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Honda, Infinity, & other Japanese makes.
          Some Mustangs, ChevyII's, Falcon, Mavericks, (& others).
$125 for all 4.  All in excellent condition (off a recently purchased '86 Toyota Van.)

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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Immobilising a diesel
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:04:26 GMT

In article <BzD9DG.1ww@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
|> Eddie Rooney (eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
|> : Is there an easy way of immobilizing a diesel engine, in the same way as you might
|> : remove the rotor arm on a petrol engine, or disconnect the coil?  Any ideas
|> : appreciated.
|> 
|> Potato in the tailpipe?  Yank the glow plug wires (doesn't work as well in
|> the summer)?  Yank the fuel pump wires (if electric)?  Close the Jake Brake
|> (if it's got one)?  Obstruction in the air cleaner?  Remove the linkages
|> to the intake butterfly valve?

Potato in the tailpipe:  might work, but then again, the exhaust pulse might be
strong enough to overcome it.

Yank the glow plug wires:  pretty much useless; the glow plugs make it easier
to start, but it will still start without them.  Cummins engines don't even
have glow plugs.

Yank the fuel pump wires:  This would definitely work, as would disabling the
injector pump.

Close the Jake Brake:  I don't know if this would work or not, but it might.

Obstruction in the air cleaner:  This would work if the obstruction completely
closed off the air intake.

Remove the linkages to the intake butterfly valve:  Most diesels don't even
have a butterfly valve; the intake is open to the atmosphere at all times, engine
speed is controlled by fuel flow only.  The fuel is injected AFTER the air has
been introduced and compressed.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Four-doors are hot wheels among thieves.
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:33:29 GMT

I found this in the paper recently - from The Associated Press:

MOBILE - You'd think the typical car thief would grab a snazzy, cherry-red 
foreign sports car before even looking at a gray four-door American car, 
right?

Think again.

[ stuff deleted ... ]

... teen-agers were stealing most of the cars that were reported missing.
... most youths preferred four-door cars to sportier models ...
... they liked to ride around with a group and show off.  If the police get 
behind them they don't want to get hemmed up in the car.  They like four-
doors so they can get out quickly.

... also noticed that General Motors cars were the targets of choice among 
thieves.  ... asked why they like the GMs.  "Are they easier to steal?"  
"No, it's more dependable."  That's the words they used, "more dependable."

Car thefts are a serious problem, with an average of 221 a month stolen in 
Mobile this year.  

... Young amateurs account for 94 percent of the thefts
                        about   5 percent are by professionals
                        about   1 percent involve insurance fraud.

Although the recovery rate for stolen cars is very high, only about one in 
five thefts result in an arrest.

Most thefts occur on Friday and Saturday nights.


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From: dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: ??? Saab 9000 Trip Computer ???
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:46:11 GMT
Reply-To: dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: dbinford@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

After a dead battery, the trip computer on my '86 9000 Turbo displays
everything in metric.  How can I changes this back to English units?
(I've lost the manual.)

David Binford
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From: eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,uk.misc
Subject: Immobilising a diesel
Keywords: diesel
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:07:21 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research, Edinburgh University

Is there an easy way of immobilizing a diesel engine, in the same way as you might
remove the rotor arm on a petrol engine, or disconnect the coil?  Any ideas
appreciated.

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Centre for Speech Technology Research
University of Edinburgh
80, South Bridge,
Edinburgh EH1 1HN
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