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From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Northwest...
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:11:58 GMT

Well, there's a difference between "no problem" and "good srvice". The 
only thing in favor of US airlines to Asia is that you can usually make 
your seat reservations ahead of time and get frequent flyer miles, 
whereas on Singapore, JAL, ANA, etc you usually don't.  Still, Northwest 
pales in comparison to these other carriers, especially SQ (Singapore).  
It is statistically reported that they spend the most per passanger on 
food ($14 per passanger in the economy section).  Northwest I forgot 
where they were, but they were somewhere near the bottom. It shows in the 
service.  Taking NWO overseas will not make you throw up, but then, it 
certainly is nothing to write home about (to say the least). Put it this 
way, I've always avoided NWO when I could going to Asia.   One line I've 
always wanted to try is ANA.  Maybe next time.  But Singapore is always 
good, and I hear China Arlines is good too (and I believe if you travel 
to Japan, China Airlines goes into Haneda airport instead of Narita, so 
they don't have to be next to CAAC planes.  Haneda is more convienent).
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:45:12 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug15.123204.27735@medsys.rn.com>, bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) writes:
> 
> Father watched ROC junior baseball team and cheered for them. The puzzled
> son asked: Why are you cheering for them?
> 
> Chou1
> 

	** The father is probably a TIer. Poor guy.
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Macintosh Chinese Talk II 1.0
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:29:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Aug18.213125.70390@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (# Texas Stalker #) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I just found a copy of Macintosh Chinese Talk II on the LAN, and
>I was wondering if anybody out there can help me figure out how
>to use this thing.
>
>Thanx.
>
>George Lin

Before stating the usage method, I'd like to say that "please use software
legally." 

Why don't you just ask your LAN manager for Chinese Talk II's manual? (because 
it is on your LAN) Otherwise, you shouldn't use it since you don't own it.

By the way, let me come back to main topic.  "Chinese Talk II" is the newest
Chinese system available from Taiwan Apple. (for system 7.0 or later) After
install, you will have "Script7" extention in extention folder, a new folder 
named "script folder" to contain those Chinese characters' fonts, and  
"DynamicKey" in startup folder.

After restart, you get a total Chinese environment Macintosh.  You can use
"command-space" to switch Chinese input to American input, or vice versa.
You can choose various input method: Tsang-Jieh, Dah-Yhi (big and simple),
Ju-Yhin,...  The big difference in Ju-Yhin from system 6.x is that you can input
characters while not selecting synonym for a while.  After collecting a few
characters, you can use TAB key to enable synonym selection for all the 
characters collected.  It speeds up the Ju-Yhin input.  (I guess Taiwan Apple
will add some kind of auto selection function later.)  Unfortunately (or 
fortunately no disaster), no font's creation or modification is allowed.

If you want switch your Mac back to pure American system, just hold "option-x"
while booting.

The Chinese Talk II package contains the fonts: Ming Light, Kai, Hei medium,
and Li, where Ming Light font is developed by DynaLab (Hua Kang).  I remember
it costs about NT$3,000.  Not expensive if you compare it with ET in PC system.
Nearly you can put Chinese into every application on Mac, including FAX modem.
What a bargan!

Welcome any comment and discussion about Chinese on Mac.

Nien-Po Chen		npchen@physics.purdue.edu	8/19/92
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:30:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Aug12.210244.12121@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>
>In article <92225.093731U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> In article <1992Aug12.023703.17719@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
>> Chang) says:
>> >
>> >|>   Yeh,  Taiwan's education has failed long time ago since those
>> >|>   people from mainland China fined native Taiwanese school children
>> >|>   for speaking Taiwanese in schools. I don't know who is to blame, either.
>> 

It seems that this person indicated that ROC has to develop various alphabetic
languages for each dialect to educate different people.
In the same logic, the US should allow all international languages in the 
school system, or else the US education in all is a big failure. Ha!!!

Taiwan has good education so far. If not TIers jump up and spread bad propaganda,
Chinese system is still better than average. I don't see any value that a dialect
has no writing worth to go on and on. The nature gave Japanese (Chinese immigrants)
chance to make up differnt from of language for what they forgot, but they still 
keep as much as 10K Chinese words for simple writing and family names. 

To those preferring the US system, please check out the accumulated files about
the family problems created by US educated Asians in local social workers' office.
I be no single one will like it. Just a joke: you will not allow your kids to have 
choice to call your name instead. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang)
Subject: Re: The Movie Title
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.184912.4402@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.044802.17800@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang) writes:
>> 
>> 	Once I got a chance listen a tape from Taiwan.  It's the music from 
>> movie "Chia(1) Yuan(2)" (Homeland).  It's very impressive, and I like it.
>> Is there anyone know the original English title of this movie?  Thanks.
>> 
>> 	Also, one puzzle (means I have the answer), there is an old movie
>> named "Hu3 bao4 hsiao3 ba4 wang2" by Paul Newman & Robert Redford.  What is
>> its original English title?
>> 
>
>It is called "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid".
>
>"Rain drops keep falling on my head,
>and they say that I never did good on my job,
>.........
>'Cause I never gonna to stop the rain by complainin',
>.....
>Because I am freeeeeeeeeeee ........."

Yes, you are right, and also I got some messages from netters.  Some have
right answer but some don't.  However, still nobody can tell me what the movie
title of "Chia Yuan" is.:-(

I am curious who invent the chinese title of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance
Kid.  In my own opinion it is really good.

Wei-Chi Wang
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: <None>
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:12:12 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: *_-_-_*_The_Way_Alps_......_*_-_-_*
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:29:35 EET-DST
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
&&>>
&&>>	Hey, XiaoDong
&&>>
&&>>	Sorry I am busy this moment and can't write you more .
&&>>	Yesterday while I am sitting at the table. A fellow run into my
&&>>	and bullshit a lot thing about life ...
&&>>	
&&>>	Today I also receive a postcard from Switzland. Those fellows are 
&&>>	on the way to Alps.
&&>>		
&&>>	On the letter, they complain a lot about the hard life, even though
&&>>	it's so romantic, or exciting ...
&&>>
&&>>	I wrote back a letter and tell them I got the feeling about life. I try
&&>>	to calm them down but I even cannot persuade myself to get rid of 
&&>>	nervous ...
&&>>
&&>>	On the bottom of my letter, I said that at least they must be happy 
&&>>	because they are on the way to Alps ...
&&>>
&&>>	And today I receive a telegraph from Switzland. They tell me they do
&&>>	are on the way ...
&&>>
&&>>	I reply a E-mail, and just write :
&&>>	" ... Long Live Understanding ... "
&&>>
&&>>	This is a miserable student in the Lab. on a dummy day ;(
&&>>	Ps. It is said that tomorrow will be better ... So it's hopeful ;)
&&>>
&&>>	Heyheyheyheyheyhey, I will write to you later ...
&&>>
&&>>	Have fun !!!
&&>>
&&>>	Yours
&&>>
&&>>	Wing
&&>>
&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: An old joke about Taiwan and China
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.110727.3633@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.223358.15573@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>> 
>> I just heard that Earth is a part of Jupiter.  Is that just a rumor?
>
>
>	** It will be closer to the truth if you say:
>
>	   The earth could be a part of the Jupiter system.
>
>	   Why not? Jupiter has several moons very similar to earth.

Oh.  Thank you.  I also heard the rumor that all the planets in the
solar system were once a part of jupiter's cloud.  Heavier elements like
iron, silicon or oxygen moved inward and ligher elements like hydrogen
and helium moved outward (with respect to a sun at the center.  So, are
you saying that Earth is a sitellite of Jupiter?

TY Huang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:47:59 GMT

In article <92227.104802U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.141408.675@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
>(yung-kao.hsu) says:
>>
>>        4-letter words does not violate the law, but you may get kicked out
>
>Sorry, this time you are wrong. If you use 4-letter words to somebody in

	I am sure I am/was wrong many times. In this case, I should make it
	clear that the 4-letter words per se does not violate the law; but
	using them in the posting may get you kicked out the net even though
	you did not aim them at anyone (since many organizations still think
	what their members say has a lot to do with their image and the type
	of environment they provide :-(
	
>>        Not signing your name or email address does not seem to be taken
>>        responsibility of what you say to me. Many newspapers require
>
>You can always find one's E-mail address on top of every article. You can
>always send messages to that address by simply using "REPLY" (PF5).

	Well, the function keys in my workstation says: "Front" :-)
	Actually, even without such information, I am sure net heckers
	will have no problem digging out anyone. Then I don't see why
	people should not have their name in their posting just to show
	their courtesy.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:58:00 GMT

In article <9223618.1419@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, 
dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes...

>all you f***ing d*ckhead, selfish, dishonest, friend-betraying
>Koreans...

  i'm sorry you feel this way. i just hope you get this post before people
start flaming you on the net.

>I'll never ever buy ANY Korean product from now on... 
[stuff deleted accidentally]

  many governments have done many dihonorable things many times, if you
held the same standard to all countries, you might have to live like
Thoreau! =]
  the u.s. invaded panama and grenada for basically no other reason than
the dubious monroe doctrine.  while politically a good move, i believe it
was ethically unsound (IMHO).  should i stop buying products from my own
country because of this?

>yes, for some reason, I feel that I'm becoming a racist....
>for good reason, too!
> 
>Recognizing PRC is one thing, but at the expense of a long-time
>friendship is another.

  i suggest you read the posts of the other people, they are very informative.
in defense, i must say that many of the korean netters expressed dislike with
the way taiwan was treated in the whole affair.  hatred of the government for
this action i can understand, racism due to one incident is beyond me though.
  if what you object to is personal, then we netters might understand.  but,
please post exactly why, "just the facts ma'am."
  in your next post you might want to use better nettiquette.  for the simple 
reason that more people might sympathize with your side if you do.  if you 
don't believe me than i refer you to Dwight Joe's postings on soc.culture.asean
and soc.culture.asian.american.

  of course, you are not _obligated_ to do anything.  this is usenet and there
is nothing most of us can do. =]

---- 
this is my .sig, deal with it.

          -terrychay
                 TYCHAY@CITJULIE.BITNET
                 tychay@juliet.caltech.edu
----

  by the way, both my parents are korean so i guess i am too.  if you hate
me because of that, don't worry it doesn't bother me.  
  i've heard every possible derogertory comment, and such name-calling since i 
was 3 years old in a sandbox, too young to understand that they were "racist"
but old enough to understand the hatred implied in the voice.  At the time,
my older brother held me back (it was a good thing too, since they 
probably would have kicked the sh*t out of me!)

  i don't speak korean and have been to korea less than i've been to europe,
canada, and mexico, but the funny thing is some people never let me forget 
that i am. =]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:40:16 GMT

In article <6269@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>Boy, that subject caught your attention, huh?  :)
>
>Yes, why use a lightbulb?  NO! Not the ones that give
>out light!  I'm talking about when Taiwanese couples
>date, why do they bring a "lightbulb" (dun1-pao4)?
>
>I was just reading this in soc.culture.asian.american,
>and I thought that it's a rather cute idea.  Alas, I
>was too young to know about dating when I left Taiwan.
>So, is there a reason for bringing a lightbulb along
>to a date?

When I was in Taiwan, I often served as one. :-)  I guess it has to do a lot
with the idea of preserving the women's virginity. 1/2 :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 15 Aug 1992 12:32:04 GMT
Keywords: No-test for entering senior high school in TW

In article <1992Aug10.224513.5652@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>
>I would like to see my children to grow up in a place where he can claim
>his own no matter it is US, taiwan or china. Watching the olympics with me
>in the last two weeks, my 7 years-old first born learn to cheer for both
>chinese and US. I watched this and really felt for him, 20 years from now,
>which team is he going to cheer for?
>
This following is a story I read on World Journal.

Father watched ROC junior baseball team and cheered for them. The puzzled
son asked: Why are you cheering for them?

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:12:39 GMT

In article <Bsy32p.n47@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>If we have more than one Telecommunication  company in Taiwan ...
> 
>
>---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   

A telecommunication company with all new optic-fiber lines linking
computers and carrying cable TV or interaction TV!!!

TY Huang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: about air-lines across pacific...
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Keywords: air-lines, pacific
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152312.11242@eecs.nwu.edu> jack@eecs.nwu.edu (Kuo-Feng Liao) writes:
>Hi, 
>
>   Could anyone express their experience with United Airline in the trip  
>USA<-->Taipei ?   
>
>   Thank you.
>

The fact happened exact one year ago, Aug.20, 1991, I was taking UA from
CKS Airport via San Fransico, Dulles Airport, D.C. to Rochester, NY.
That was my first trip to US.  The departure time of the flight from D.C.
to Rochester was scheduled at 9:40pm, but I was still on the way from San Fr.
to D.C.  You guys know that my first overseas trip and I was so nervous.
So, I asked a member of the serving crew about my problem.  She told me
"Don't worry. The plane will wait for you."  As the plane arrived D.C.,
I knew the plane was not only waiting for me but a lot of people.  The
first delay was 30 minutes later, 10:10pm.  10:10 was coming.  At 10:05,
the second delay was annouanced, that's 10:40pm.  Finally, the plane was
taken off.  As I arrived at Rochester, my classmate had stood at the airport
for one and a half hours and it was 11:50pm.  Ten months later, June of this
year, my dad and mom came to see me.  As my dad was leaving, the same thing
happened ONCE AGAIN.  *** TWO-STEP DELAY ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: trieu@me.utoronto.ca (Trieu C. Chau)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:08:40 GMT

txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:

>In article <9208181834.AA18082@abacus.hut.fi> pan@abacus.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
>>Questions about romanization of Chinese in Taiwan:
>>
>>When I read this news group I notice there are several (at least two) kinds
>>of romanization, when someone tries to explane Chinese words. The one I
>>am familiar is the mainland Ping1 Ying1
>   
[...]

>Communists.  Besides, Chinese is absolutely different from Wastern Languages.
>The Chu-Yin used in Taiwan is totally another kind of symbols.

What is the difference between Pinyin phoneticization, and Chu-Yin phon-
eticization?  I was originally taught Chu-Yin, using the the BoPoMoFo
symbols, but getting used to Pinyin was no problem, since the same type
of initial sounds and final sounds exist in both systems.  The only 
practical difference I can see is that Pinyin uses Western characters
to represent the different sounds, and Chu-Yin uses symbols.

Also, how is the Chu-Yin system used (how are words/characters transcribed
from Chinese to English characters)?

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From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:42:21 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug18.175043.22285@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
> 
> 	Gee..., next time throw lots of acronyms back at her/him.
> 
	** Why do you say "Gee"?

	   I don't like this "word". It is a banana: inconsistant.
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Answer to Mr. Lambert's Question
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:48:13 GMT



In article <7062@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>In view of the "Open Letter to the Japanese Emperor" and
>some of the discussion related to that topic, I'd like to
>ask Chinese or Korean readers just exactly would be acceptable
>as an apology from the Japanese government or Emperor, and
>what constitutes "accepting responsibility".
[deleted for briefty]
>I guess this is important, because so many people expect something,
>but I'm not sure that they even know what they expect, and have
>those with expectations set a goal that will satisfy them?
>
>Please remember, the Emperor as a symbol without power, can only
>use his words. What are the good words he should say?
>
>Please be frank.

Mr. Lambert, your belwilderment is excusable, because you are not
Chinese.  Here I am completely frank with you in answering your
question.

We Chinese have no expectation on whatever Japanese Emperor is going
to say.  He should say anything at his own free will.  We just want
to ask him a simple question:
How does he think about Japanese army's deeds in China in WWII. 

  If he thinks it was glorious, then that is fine. 
  If he wants to be silent on this question, then that is fine too.
  If he thinks it was really shameful, then we expect he would 
     behaves in a way as an ordinary human being when he feels 
     guilty and shameful.

Any more question?

-----------------

T.T.Wu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan