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From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Going by Underground
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:36:27 GMT

Richard Porter writes:
 > In article <Bz94vL.52w@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon Hart-Davis) writes:
 > 
 > >It is usually a safe assumption (particularly if you are making a
 > >connection or a meeting) that getting from anywhere to anywhere on the
 > >Tube takes at least 45 minutes.  If you don't change trains knock of
 > >5--10 minutes.
 > 
 > A good rule of thumb is 2 minutes per station plus about 10 minutes for
 > getting down to the platform and back and waiting. Waiting time is longer
 > in the early morning or late evening. It takes longer to get down to
 > tube platforms than surface or cut-and-cover ones.
 > 

Docklands (DLR) runs faster than that (when it runs:-).

A DLR driver told me today the "new" station at West India Quay will
have 4 platforms (like Canary Wharf) and act as interchange. They will
be building a leisure centre on the site next door (there isn't much
there to see except for Billingsgate:-).

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From: kevinh@shlv2.co.uk (Kevin Harkin)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:22:01 GMT
Organization: Saville and Holdsworth Ltd, Uk

In article <29426@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes: 
> >London Records Trail 
> >===================== 
> >Start at Kings Cross 
>Shouldn't that be Mornington Crescent to finish? 

would be a bit tricky since MC is closed for a while.
From: jamie@spuddy.uucp (Jamie Allen)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Cart machine for sale....
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:44:31 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Greetings...

No idea where to try and dispose of this, so I may as well try the net !! I
bought this in desparation last year for Radio Cracker, and now need to sell
it in desparation for money... If you know someone who wants it (by some fluke)
or where I could sell it, please please drop me a mail....

Triple stack National Audio Broadcasting cart machine for sale. The machine is
made by the International Tapetronics Corporation, and is one of the "old style"
BBC ones. It has three playback slots.

Asking for around 300 quid (I paid that for it last year).

Cheers

Jamie.
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: jim@edscom.demon.co.uk (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Milton Keynes - was Re: NORTHAMPTON POL
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Reply-To: Jim Thomas <jthomas@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
	<1992Dec16.143521.9941@spectrum.xerox.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:09:18 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:35:21 GMT, hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies) said:

Hugh> In article 19805@csd.uwe.ac.uk, s_curtis@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Steve
Hugh> Curtis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.091418.13118@edscom.demon.co.uk> ian@edscom.demon.co.uk (Ian Green) writes:
>>Bernie Jones (bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
>>: I was always an anti-MK person, due to media hype, but the other day I
>>: actually had to go there, and was really pleasantly surprised.......
>
>>[rest deleted]
>
>>Good!!!  I wouldn't have minded if you had still hated the place after having
>>been here - provided you experienced the place *before* passing comment.
>>After living here a while you tend to get quite defensive about the place -
>>especially when people who have never been here slag it off.  I'd be the 
>>first to admit that it's far from perfect but at least know what you're flaming 
>>before applying the match.
>
>I agree, I live in Northampton up the road, and much prefer Milton Keynes !
>People always say 'MK - horrible place' you say "but have you ever been there?'
>'No' they reply, 'heard it was horrible though !' - Whats the point ?
>
>BTW - what was the discussion on Northampton Poly, I've only just subscribed
>to this group - forgive me. Is Nene college turning into a poly ? 
>
>Also, does anyone know if MK poly has a JANET connection ?
>
>Steve.
>-- 
>Email: (JANET) : s_curtis@uwe.csd            
>       (Inet)  : s_curtis@csd.uwe.ac.uk    


Hugh> I *have* been to MK, on numerous occasions. I think it's a ghastly
Hugh> shithole. I've heard it described as the largest open prison in
Hugh> Europe - and I agree.  -


I'll have you know that Milton Keynes is the most exciting town in
North Buckinghamshire.

--
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jim@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284522
Opinions expressed are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:46:01 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <1739@lucifer.UUCP> rob@liciren.li.co.uk (Rob Clive) writes:
>BTW has anyone noticed what the average length of a CD recording is?
>Given that the maximum possible length of a CD is about 80 minutes it
>seems a rip off to purchase ones that have only 40 - 45 minutes on them.
>We seem to be paying out not only for the support of the record company
>but also for a lot of nothing.  Does anyone else think the same?

Ahem. The ``more is better'' argument. Well, yes, I would have preferred
REM to record more songs to put on ``Automatic for the People'', say, but
the point about buying music is that the music represents more value
to the purchaser than the cost of producing the medium. It's likely that
if REM had been under pressure to fill a CD, all of it would have been
worse. These are people we're talking about.

It's a rip-off when record companies put out a double CD when they
could have put out a single CD, but they're pretty good about that;
they squeezed 79+ minutes on to ``Some Girls Wander By Mistake'',
for example. Some retailers have exploited this by charging more.

	Tim.
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From: amcbride@axion.bt.co.uk (Alan McBride)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: opticians
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:23:25 GMT
Reply-To: AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories


----------

Can anyone tell me anything about different types of
optician?  In particular, what does the term
opthalmic mean?  Are some types more qualified than
others?

Thanks,




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From: mick@dcs.bbk.ac.uk (Mick Farmer)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.telecom
Subject: Cable provider offering phone service
Keywords: cable phone
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:12:47 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hi,

Our local cable TV provider (Videotron) has announced that
it will start offering a phone service in our area.  They
mentioned Mercury in the statement.

Does anyone have experience of such a service?  Is it just
Mercury?  Any idea of tariffs?

Regards,

Mick
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Madonna Book
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:23:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: andrew@minster.york.ac.uk's message of 11 Dec 92 11:23:17 GMT

In article <724072997.23012@minster.york.ac.uk> andrew@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
| Richard Mutter (richm@CIS.Prime.COM) wrote:
| : We bought it. Pictures are nothing special, the text is dreadful rubbish,
| : but the sheet metal work is exemplary.
| : 
| : Richard
|
| So why don't you digitise it and post it on alt.binaries.pictures.misc?
|
Someone has already posted a couple of the pictures to
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.

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undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:10:31 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <20771@acorn.co.uk> steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:

   You appear to be feel that even if the accident is the fault to the
   cyclist, the car driver should somehow be blamed for having a bigger
   vehicle.  I think this is an extremely arrogant, holier-than-thou
   attitude.

A car driver can dispense death and agony to other road users whenever he/she
wishes to, unlike a cyclist.  The driver therefore has a far weightier
responsibility, and is *always* partly to blame when their car hits
something.  Even a damnfool suicidal cyclist.  Car drivers, like all road
users, should *anticipate* and *expect* other people's stupidity and mistakes.
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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: hoover US air travel offer
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:16:40 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

bs_s516@neptune.kingston.ac.uk wrote:

: If you have to demonstrate to Hoover that you have already booked accommodation
: before they will issue the tickets, what is the situation if you have access to
: a timeshare apartment.  does anyone know?

depends whether they classify that as "free accomodation". 

talking of free travel offers ... anyone know if the daily
telegraph/dan-air 2 for the price of one offer is still valid now that
dan-air is part of british airways??


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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hoover flight deals
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:51:04 GMT
Distribution: uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Piercarlo Grandi (pcg@aber.ac.uk) wrote:

[[ discussion on airline pricing and market segmentation ]]

: Two further notes: British Rail have been trying for years to achieve
: market segmentation, with ensuing fare complications; and USA-UK and
: UK-Netherlands routes are the only ones that have been liberalized a
: bit.

sadly the idea that they haven't yet decided to copy from the airline
business is the radical idea that everyone with a ticket should have
a seat to sit on!

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From: ianking@nnsgs52 (Ian King)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Milton Keynes - was Re: NORTHAMPTON POL
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:55:35 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe Ltd
Reply-To: ianking@lon40.nt.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs52.lon40.nt.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Dave Hodgkinson (dave@dhcs.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: my #.02 :-)

: Downsides: the local schools are dire. Babies will probably go to
: school in Great Brickhill, or a secret location near Olney (30 head
: village school).

I dont know about the first/middle schools elsewhere but the ones in
Olney are *excellent*. Your secret location is either Emberton or that
other one (private) whose name escapes me but a friend of mine works there.

The problem we have in Olney is the Secondary Education in MK. A lot of
parents pay for their children to go to Bedford. Either that or move into
Bedfordshire. I'm not prepared to do the latter as I like where I live
thank you. (Actually if you work it out, it is slightly cheaper to stay
put and pay the fees than move & its associated costs). 

I went to a secondary school in what is now MK. The standards are not the
same anymore. I really dont like the idea of private education but there
are no state schools of comparable standard in MK. 

Regards...
.........Ian

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: mh@atlantis.demon.co.uk (Martin Hancock)
Subject: CellNet/Vodaphone Channel Info 
Distribution: world
Organization: <none>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:20:33 +0000


In article <MIKEC.92Dec15144224@cantor.praxis.co.uk> mikec@praxis.co.uk writes:

>
>Hi Folks,
>
>How would one go about finding information as to which channels
>are allocated to a given CellNet or Vodaphone base station ?
>
>Does a base station carry a block of channels or do they have a
>random selection to choose from ?
>
>Presumably the channel info must be published somewhere ?

The channels are allocated to the sites by the operators as part of
a natioanl plan in such a manner that adjacent sites will not have
the same channels. Otherwise interference would occur. Since the plan is
subject to change as new sites come on air, I soubt the information is
published anywhere.


Martin.                    mh@atlantis.demon.co.uk
~~~~~~~                    martinh@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: chris@visionware.co.uk (Chris Davies)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Phonebase
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:36:08 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

David Wright (dww@bnr.co.uk) wrote:
: I'm a keen user of Phonebase (though for reasons I won't go into here, I'm
: biased).

You didn't help develop it, did you?

: [...] the upgrade that is
: being installed this month will result in the system being much faster
: again.  (Do tell us all if you notice the difference).

Well, I've had to redesign my chat script to get our Unix box to talk
to it...

: VT100 - also called "intelligent interface" - not bad, but Phonebase often
: doesn't notice you're using a VT100-compatible emulator and all you get is
: 'dumb'.  (This problem should go away with the new version).

It has - at the expense of a terminal-type prompt (much better IMO)

Ta,
Chris
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: graham@wilde.ucs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Rule)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Chargecard - why a CARD ??
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:21:27 GMT
Distribution: uk

sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould) writes:
>Janusz Lukasiak (zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
>>Why is the chargecard a plastic card at all ??
>>The key  to using  it are two numbers, one 'public' (embossed on the
>>card), another 'private' (PIN, to be kept secret). The card itself is never
>>used, except as a clumsy and expensive number holder. 

>Well, the new payphones with a card-swipe attachment can read the
>magnetic stripe on the card, so all you need to do is lift the handset,
>swipe the card & dial your PIN & number. Saves a bit of dialling.

Has anyone timed
	dialing 144
	(wait for answer)
	(wait while phone box does handshake that turns on tone dialing)
	dialing card number
	(being asked for your pin)
and
	swiping card
	(waiting while system dials 144 etc....)
	(being asked for your pin)

It seems to me that the latter actually takes longer (but that could just
be because its boring waiting for the system to do it all for you).

Another pet idea I have about cards is that an even lower class of card than
they have at the moment would be useful.  One that has the PIN printed on
the card and encoded on the magnetic strip.  That way relatively small children
could be given them and told that if they are ever stuck all they need to
do is dial 144 and the numbers on the card, or to just swipe the card.
Clearly this would only be sensible with "quick dial" only enabled so that
they would automatically "phone home".

Come to think of it this sort of thing might go down well with older children
[I recenty got another message on my answering machine in which my dad reminded
me of his phone number "in case I had forgotten" :-) ]

My pet hate about Chargecards is that if you have operator access enabled
then both the "private" and "public" numbers are embossed on the cards.
(An account number very similar to the direct-dial one and the "check digits").
For this reason I *NEVER* carry around the card I have operator access on -
instead I have another card with more limited access.

Graham Rule
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: BT Chargecard - why a CARD ??
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:31:11 GMT

In article <graham.724681287@wilde>, graham@wilde.ucs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Rule) writes:
|> [...]
|> Another pet idea I have about cards is that an even lower class of card than
|> they have at the moment would be useful.  One that has the PIN printed on
|> the card and encoded on the magnetic strip.  That way relatively small children
|> could be given them and told that if they are ever stuck all they need to
|> do is dial 144 and the numbers on the card, or to just swipe the card.
|> Clearly this would only be sensible with "quick dial" only enabled so that
|> they would automatically "phone home".

And, somewhat later...

|> My pet hate about Chargecards is that if you have operator access enabled
|> then both the "private" and "public" numbers are embossed on the cards.
|> (An account number very similar to the direct-dial one and the "check digits").
|> For this reason I *NEVER* carry around the card I have operator access on -
|> instead I have another card with more limited access.

Unless one could restrict the "junior" card to something dead cheap, I
would be _extremely_ unsure about issuing it.  For precisely the
reasons that Graham has (obviously) identified wrt the operator-
accessible card.
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From: mjl@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BTI Phone BOX Wanted
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:43:41 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1ghbnuINN5hm@garnet.msen.com>, josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup) writes:
> historical "things". Ok, UK people. I really want to own 2,000 lbs of iron
> and not pay a fortune for it , BT did quote me a cheap price. If anyone
> has a call box/phone box with phone inside please e-mail me.

This is probably in the FAQ. However, there are dealers in UK who export them
to save you trying to extract one direct from BT, but they are expensive. This
may be your only best bet, as export is involved. I believe BT has slowed 
down its replacement programme which is going to make it more difficult.
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rkinkead@sound.demon.co.uk (Roger Kinkead)
Subject: X.25 communications with Hayes UltraSmartModem ?
Reply-To: rkinkead@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:21:17 +0000


Hello folks,


If any of you communication experts could spare the time I'd really
appreciate your advice on a few 'communications queries'.

I have a Hayes Ultra SmartModem 9600 and Smartcom III. Now together this
should allow me to access X.25 networks, unfortuneatly I'm not sure what my
next steps are!

The manuals refer to dial X.25 (X.32 ?). Does this mean that I dial up the
X.25 Network using the normal PSTN telephone network?
To get access to the public data network do I need a line installed for BT's
PSS? If so, do you reckon this is an expensive option (more expensive than
a standard telephone line) ?.

I am told that users are billed on how much data is transferred rather than
the duration of the call. This sounds appealing, and seems to indicate that
a PSTN connection would contradict the point of the PSDN (Am I making sense?
If I'm taking nonsense please forgive me!).

I would like to gain access to Internet and Janet for FTP and TELNET access.
Now while this can probably acheived by a call to some UNIX site or other,
the chances are that it won't be a local call from my home.
Could I do this through the PSDN ?

Any advice anyone could offer me on any of the queries I have would be very
gratefully received.

I very much look forward to hearing your reply.


Many thanks,



Roger Kinkead
-------------

Lisburn, Northern Ireland.



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From: pgoujard@infocom.UUCP (Philippe Goujard)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Fax machines in France
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:43:13 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: INFOCOM Public Unix Server, +44 [0] 734 340055
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Sean.Leviseur (sjl@uknet.ac.uk) wrote:
: I am after a couple of cheap fax machines to use in France. Will any
: UK models work over there, and what needs changing?
: 
:  sean

I am nearly sure a UK fax machine will work perfectly in France, the only 
thing you have to change is the phone connector. You may be able to find a 
uk to french connector here. (and in France in Hifi stores like "La FNAC" 
you can find american to french connectors, but maybe not uk ones).

However you are theorically not allowed to use in France a material that has 
not been approved by France Telecom, but I do not think it is really 
enforced now that european market is opening.

Hope this helps

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom,soc.culture.europe
From: jb-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: French -> UK phone adaptor
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:27:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

French -> UK phone adaptor

My dad is going to be working in France for some time,
and he wants to take a UK modem with him. I remember 
there being an adaptor of some sort that will let him
connect his UK modem the the French system. Does anyone 
know where I can get hold of such a device?

Many thanks in advance

Joe Boon

Computer Science Student, University of York, England
jb-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert)