From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Rich men and Heaven
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:30:45 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: Apple

In article <68990@hydra.gatech.EDU>, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard
Pitts) wrote:
> In article <ksand-220992181713@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
> |Check out any instances of what Jesus says about when the Kingdom of
> |God will happen, or in his very own words:
> |[Kent's verses deleted.]
> |OK, that was a small sample of what Jesus thought about when Kingdom of 
> |God will happen. Soon, or what? If not, what did Jesus say wrong?
> 
> Kent you ignored my citing from Luke 19 of Jesus telling a parable, for 
> he realized the people thought that the kingdom was about to take place
> at once.  The parable told of a man leaving and being made king and then 
> coming back. 

OK, why are you then ignoring my statements? I agree that Jesus said 
that the Kingdom of God would happen within the lifetimes of the disciples,
however all the earthquakes, and kingdoms against kingdoms and all the
other signs didn't appear. That's my main message. Yes, the kingdom of
God should have happened long time ago. Now, when the signs are still 
not there, the doctrine is that it happened in Heaven, or in our minds,
or something else that is more transparent. Jesus was a man of action,
he would cry today when he hears what his followers are trying to cover up.
 
> Here is the intro:
> 
>     Luke 19:12   He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to
>        have himself appointed king and then to return.
>     Luke 19:13   So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.
>        'Put this money to work,' he said, 'UNTIL I COME BACK.'
> 
> He is coming back, but this has not happened, yet.
Most things he promised to have happened during the lifetimes of the 
disciples haven't happened. I think we agree on that.

> You make the distinction between who the men followed.
> Paul said he preached Jesus as Lord and he and his gang as servants.
> 
>    2 Cor 4:5   For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and
>       ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.
> 
>    Rom 1:1   Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set
>       apart for the gospel of God--
>    Rom 1:2   the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the
>       Holy Scriptures
>    Rom 1:3   regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of
>       David,
>    Rom 1:4   and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to
>       be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our

Could we please speak about Jesus and what he said, and not Paul, thanks?
If you want to continue using Paul is just highlights my opinion that
Paul created Christianity, and not Jesus.

Cheers,
Kent

Example of common sense, part 1:
Reporter: What would happen if science discovered some fact
          that contradicted Buddhist doctrine?
Dalai Lama: The doctrine would have to change.
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