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From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: Re: Give TPM back to those who want to talk about the Mideast
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.033306.26725@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> souissi@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.203807.27039@wpi.WPI.EDU> nyh@sparkplug (Nevo Y Hed) writes:
>>
>>	Excuse me if this was offered before, I have been away from
>>TPM for a while.  What about getting moderators on this group???  It
>>is done in other groups usch as sci.virtual-worlds soc.religion.islam
>>(i think i counted about 135 such groups at our site).
>>
>>	So what will it be???  ya know that opening a alt.revisionists
>>wont get the slimeballs outta here... I am not talking bout taking
>>someon's freedom of speach (*** forbid) away, I mean even grabage like
>>ARF's belongs here (well sometimes, I mean when th subject is not
>>Secret Rabbi Taxes (Kosher foods) etc).
>>
>>
>
>I personally don't find ARF's postings garbage at all.  On
>the contrary, I find them often quite informative and
>reasonable.  Just because you don't agree with someone
>doesn't justify censorship.


	Denying the existance of the Holocaust, claiming that the Jews own
the media, etc., etc., is of no pertinance (sp?) to tpm.  Personally I 
think you're an idiot for actually finding his posts reasonable.  



>
>>	Happy Easter and Passover...
			 ^^^^^^^^

	After finding ARF's nazi-anti-semitc posts reasonable, you have the
nerve to wish us a happy Passover??  Better watch out, we need some blood
for the matzah...yours is as good as any.

							-Manu

>>
>>		-Nevo
>>
>>--
>>+-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------+-----------------+
>>| Nevo Y Hed      | If you want peace of  | Thank god that  |    A good       |
>>| Internet:       | type "friendship is   | religion is not | programmer has  |
>>| nyh@wpi.wpi.edu | too much to ask for"  | that popular    |   to think      |
>>|                 | I'd rather we stay    | anymore.        | like a bug!!!   |
>>|++1 (508)754-2491| enemies.              |                 |                 |
>>+-----------------+---------+-------------+-----------------+-----------------+
>>| Vote Tsongas - It sounds  | All mistakes are stupid       | It's possibly   |
>>| good in Japanese !!!      | and all stupids are mistakes! | impossible...   |
>>+---------------------------+-------------------------------+-----------------+


-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            
Do unto others before they do unto you.
"The future of the Arabs of Palestine was sacrificed to Egyptian politics"
						-Sir John Bagot Glubb
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: An Arab Fairy Tale! (was 2 pats for Pat)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.010410.28075@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.230257.13955@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>In article <Mar.30.23.52.05.1992.20059@paul.rutgers.edu> marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
>>
>>>Hmmm ... By the way ... I bet the Israelis think that the palestinians
>>>are living under the occupation ... VERY COMFORTABLY ?!!!
>
>>This "under occupation" bit has been going on for too long and 
>>people are starting to believe it.  The reality is that Arabs in 
>>Israel do not have a much lower standard of living than Arabs in 
>>neighboring countries, and possibly a higher standard of living.
>
>Oh, come on, Jake! If standard of living is all you go by, then there's
>no reason for Israel to exist at all;

Don't misread my posting.  By pointing out that Arabs in Israel have
a reasonably good standard of living, not worse than in neighboring
Arab states, I counter the standard rhetoric about "living under 
occupation".  The only country I can think of where maintaining a 
standard of living is reason to exist and even to go to war would 
be... the USA.

-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid To Israel?????
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:44:13 GMT

In article <204565@unix.cis.pitt.edu# abas@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jasem Alhumoud) writes:
#
#   I am sorry for reposting this article. I did not know that someone
#else have posted this article with creidt given to me ( I posted this
#article in soc.culture.lebanon). Any way nothing wrong with reading facts
#twice. On the other hand THE TRUTH HURTS. Have fun with the article.
#
#       Jasem (Dr. J.)


The truth may hurt, but the article is not the truth. It begins with
anti-Israeli and antisemitic propaganda, continues to tell lies (that
Israelis who kill Palestinians don't go to jail) and has a description
of an incident which is obviously taken from a sick imagination.

-Danny Keren.

PS - recently, there has been a long debate in soc.culture.arabic about
the fact that an attempt was made by some oil barons in the mideast
(I think Dubay) to kidnnap young Indian kids so they can be used as
jockies in camal races. The kidnnapers were appreahanded by Indian
police. As a rule, I try not to dig up facts against Arabs and use
them for propaganda in this newsgroup, so I refrained from posting
it. However, it seems some people (Brad Hernlem for instance) spend
their life looking for trash to dump on Israel, even it comes from
sources which are obviously lying. Fair play has to go both ways, you
know.
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: TO RALPH WINSTON
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:52:29 GMT

pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:

>In article <1992Apr06.182723.17762@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes...

>>What is Banished CPU?

>It is several things, amongst which are:-
>i)The figment of a warped imagination and 
>ii)A cover name for posting of an anti-semitic, racist, pro-Nazi group
>   called the IHR (or IRH - I can't quite remember, to quote some of
>   their surviving heroes). So far we have only seen anti-semitic utterances
>   from them but if they continue to get a hard ride, expect some anti-gay,
>   anti-leftist, anti-Eastern European, anti-Romany (gypsy) type stuff.


>Ostensibly it's a free access account run from somewhere up North, but 
>most of it's postings eminate from the aliases of :-
> Peter Faust (completely bonkers, believes Hitler's Germany was great and in 
>German racial supremacy),
> Ralph Winston (a rather better propagandist in that he rarely spouts openly
>ridiculous shit and quite consumate at the art of highlighting some facts
>whilst completely ignoring others).
> Maynerd (the sysop I'm led to believe, I've only seen a couple of
>articles from him - standard revisionist shit though)
> and a few other "names" who may or may not be related to the IHR group
>but whom I don't wish to tar with the brush without knowing.

I don't know exactly what "up North" means to _you_, but B-CPU is
located in Portland, Oregon (so am I).  I have taken to logging on to
their bbs (as have a couple of other people) to see what's what and to try
to get some one-on-one with Faust/Winston etc.  Oddly enough, in the few
hundred messages listed over the last week Peter Faust and Ralph Winston
do not appear. Maynard (sysop) does appear and sounds remarkably like
"Faust".  There is also a character named "Halber Uber Mensch" who
is quite defensive about National Socialism and more freely uses
expressions like ZOG (which Faust and co. seem to avoid, probably
because it is so blatantly connected to White Power groups).  The
listing of available files includes the same crap that Winston and Faust
regularly post on the Holocaust, Kristallnacht, etc.

In other words, this is probably one or two morons with too much time on
their hands. Where their anti-semitism stems from I don't know, but
Halber Uber Mensch probably has a room filled with Nazi paraphernalia
and has to wear an SS uniform to get an erection.

Sorry to have these turds rolling around in my town.

--Jeff

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) 
"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
                                    --Thomas Jefferson
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: talks.politics.mideast
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:08:55 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Apr13.210008.8014@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>By the way, I respect Rita Howser for her positive attitude toward the Arab-Jews
>co-existance in the Middle East.

Yeah, like I respect Yassir Arafat for his positive attitude toward 
Arab-Jewish co-existence in the ME.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com    
American-Occupied New York
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jordan is Palestine
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:12:54 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article<1992Apr11.084900.16219@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>I think I owe you an apology, PeeWee.  I looked up Johnny Rabbit's
>Picture History of the Lands of the Bible and it agreed with you!
>Looks like all those snooty academics got it wrong!  1000 pardons.

Or I kiss your hand 1000 times. (And only if you use Channel #5 Pour
Monsieur).  :)

Strange how rivals are being civil to each other.  :)  Been listening to
"From A Distance" too many times?  Can make a pacifist/apologist out of
anyone. :)

But Philip, habibi, Palestine is always going to be Palestine!

asinA (:

		"From a distance there is harmony, and it echos throughout
		the land.  And its the hope of hopes, its the love of loves,
		its the heart of every man.  Its the hope of hopes, its the
		love of loves.  This is the song of every man."

				"From A Distance" B.Midler
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.184234.8752@wam.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
>In article <JIME.92Apr12001214@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>  
>jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>> If the Israeli soldiers didn't fire the guns, the Palestinians
>> wouldn't be killed.  All the Israeli government has to do to stop the
>> killings is to change their policies of crowd control in the occupied

>(sarcasm on)
>Gee, Jim. what a brilliant idea! 
>[...]
>(sarcasm off)
>
>So, Jim, what exactly would you suggest in the way of "crowd control" for  
>violent demonstrations and similar breaches of the peace?

Ask Jim to make his suggestions to the NYPD (New York Police Department).
An apparently innocent taxi-driver on his first day on the job had the 
misfortune to pick up two armed robbers as customers.  The police caught
up with the cab minutes later - and shot the driver.  The NYPD is 
investigating.

While the city averages half-a-dozen murders a day, I don't think that 
declaring a policy of "no shooting at fleeing suspects" will be welcomed 
by the law-abiding citizens of the city; it would probably result in a 
gala jamboree of new crimes.  The same kind of policy applied to the 
intifada would not help law-abiding Israeli Jews and Arabs but would 
be joyous news for the terrorist murderers who continue the intifada.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com    
American-Occupied New York
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Islamic "world" News myopia
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:13:30 GMT

In article <dfs.702586740@data> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>Recently, the Islamic "world" news condemned Israel for the deaths of
>four Palestinians following an attack on Israeli forces.  However,
>the Islamic "world" news, as well as the U.N. and "peace" (sic) net
>have been strangely silent about the fate of hundreds of thousands
>of Muslims in Burma (Myanmar.)  There are stories of mass rape and murder,
>and hundreds of thousands have fled to Bangladesh.
>
>But I suppose that since it's hard to drag the EvilZionistOccupiers (tm)
>into this one, it just doesn't have the zing of an anti-Israel diatribe,
>and thus must be relegated to the background.

No, it's part of an evil Buddhist/Hindu plot to exterminate all
Muslims from South Asia and Myanmar.
>


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   0-0   at Tigers Monday, Wednesday and Thursday
 End the strike.  Get back on the ice.  Get the playoffs going.
From: bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: "Democracy" & "Israel" are Axonyms.
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:50:48 GMT
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin

In article <Apr.9.22.22.29.1992.3790@paul.rutgers.edu>, marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:

> all around him to see that there is nobody seeing him (the stupid did not
							     ======	
> see the reporter and the camera) and after that the 5 DEVILS started their
> evil business ... 2 of the Devils held the arab teenager, one pressed him

        Comeon, maybe the stupid devil was just blind....
	
 
> But as I got there, I was woundering, what kind of hate do the Israelis have
> and how can a human being be so crewl? ... Pro-Israelis ... Please elaborate.
> I realy want to know how much would an average Israeli hate Arabs.


	I can think of several possible answers to your question
	concerning how much would an average Israeli hate Arabs. 
	Pick your favorite one(s):

	(1) Only when (s)he is called "devil"
	(2) Especially when (s)he is called "devil"
	(3) With a mean hatred of 15.23476 and a S.D. of 27.8926
	(4) Just enough
	(5) Too much
	(6) Not at all
        (7) Other (please elaborate...) _____________________________
					_____________________________
					_____________________________



> Marwan Gharaybeh:                         ||                               _(_ 



Noam

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:33:42 GMT

In article <10747@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:


>and the very existence of India as a nation state is an offense against
>human decency, 
...
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami


An appeal to all on SCI: PLEASE CONSIDER NOT RESPONDING TO THIS.
ATTENTION IS WHAT SUCH FOOLS ARE OFTEN SEEKING. DON'T OBLIGE.

--Anil Trivedi
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: IRAN'S REVOLUTION DATE!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:31:27 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center

n article <1992Apr14.234108.14965@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
writes:
>
>I remember after the revolution back in 1977 in Iran the most brutal and
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ...
stuff deleted
 ...

After the revolution back in 1977!

If you are refereing to the down fall of the Shah's regime, it
didn't happened until Feb 11, 1979! Otherwise, as much as I can
remember 1977 was as quiet as any other year in the early 70s
in Iran!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: friedenb@egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Subject: ARAFAT ALIVE-PLO BLAMES MOSSAD?!?
Reply-To: friedenb@egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:25:07 GMT


As reported this morning, PLO Chairman Yassir Arafat was found alive.

At first report of Arafat's plane disappearing, the PLO (Pitiful Lack of Organization)
accused the Mossad of orchestrating his assasination.  Now that Arafat has been found 
alive, the PLO is now claims that the Mossad never had anything to do with it.

Come on guys, you're slipping.  Is it the Mossad or not?

Also, the PLO has publically thanked George Bush personally for his help in finding
Mr. Arafat (although the US claims that they did not aid in efforts to find the plane).

This is a nice attempt to try to show the PLO and the US as friends, but Charles Beiglater
of CNN even agrees that it may have been in the US's best interests to see this man 
dead.


One step forward, two steps back!

Gedaliah Friedenberg
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Michigan State University
From: martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: King David Hotel bombing
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:14:53 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Inc., Hopkinton, MA

In article <1992Apr14.213013.16488@wam.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
>In article <JIME.92Apr14164557@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>  
>jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr14.175801.18171@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  
>makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>> >   In article <JIME.92Apr14103413@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>  
>jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>> >   # Au contraire, Pierre.  The King David Hotel bombing was clearly a
>> >   # terrorist action.  A military action wouldn't have been preceded  
>by a
>> >   # telephone call telling the people to get out.  (In this case, some  
>may
>> >   # find it curious that a military action would have been more  
>brutal,
>> >   # but c'est la guerre.)

A terrorist action is an action whose sole military objective is the
creation of fear and terror within a civilian non-combattant population. 

The attack on the King David Hotel probably does not count as terrorism. 
Some actions taken by the State of Israel (especially those planned by
Sharon) in its early days do count as terrorism.  Because of the
plethora of legitimate military targets in Lebanon, categorizing any
military action in Lebanon as clear terrorism is hard. 

Some forms of intimidation of Palestinians in the occupied territories
come close to terrorism, but in general people who worry about such
issues as a matter of policy distinguish between creating a state of
intimidation and creating a state of fear and terror.  Attacking
Synagogues in Istambul, the Munich Olympics attack and air/sea
hijackings are more clearly terrorism. 

Of course, from an Islamic standpoint a mosque is quite frequently a
site of political activity and armed resistance to authority.  As such
Mosques from the standpoint of authority are often legitimate military
targets and many Muslim governments have attacked Mosques as centers of
resistance.  Many muslim people interpret non-Muslim culture, behavior
and religion purely from an Islamic frame of reference and will
consequently view Synagogues, Churches and temples as legitimate targets
of military attack. 

Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Exploding Historical Myths
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:07:33 GMT

In <s4hjrINNc4t@agate.berkeley.edu> steve@work.berkeley.edu (Steve
Goldfield) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.161206.16025@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:

>#>   Another manner in which you toss aside historical fact is that 
>#>the Palestinians had an opportunity to have their own state in the
>#>region.  And they turned it down!  The United Nations Partition Plan

>The above statement is equally preposterous on two grounds.
>First, on the narrow ground that Palestinians in Gaza did indeed
>try to set up their own state at that time; that state was not
>permitted to survive.

Mr. Goldfield knows that that "state" was a puppet state set up by
Egypt, and the reason that it was not "permitted to survive" (passive
voice is popular, eh?) is that Egypt found it more expedient to impose
military rule on the inhabitants of Gaza.

[... Rest deleted - we've read it all before.]

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: "Democracy" & "Israel" are Axonyms.
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <1992Apr17.035051.12655@u.washington.edu> jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero) writes:

# In article <2815@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

# >                      what other ways does the Israeli government function
# >in view of democracy?  Why doesn't it have a constitution if it is a
# >'democracy'?

# A constitution is NOT a necessary condition for a democracy; just think
# of the United Kingdom, the oldest democracy in continued existence. It
# doesn't have a constitution either; considering that the state of Israel
# is a successor to a British mandate, that coincidence is not so sur-
# prising.

	Actually, if you think about it, a constitution is anti -
democratic (it prevents the will of the majority from being
excersised).
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.iranian
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Mojahedin Attacks
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:45:04 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <dfs.703430495@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Apr15.185352.14449@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad
>Hernlem) writes:
>
>
>>Excerpts from "Embassies all over the globe are trashed" in the Friday,
>>April 10, 1992 edition of the Iran Times:
>
>[...]
>
>>Don't these people [the embassy attackers - DFS] have any relatives in Iran?
>
>For the sake of any such relatives, I hope not.  I wonder what the Iranian
>government will do to those relatives?
>
>--
>                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
>David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
>|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
> / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
>_____|________________________________________________________________________


Hopefully nothing as bad as what the Israelis have done to
Palestinians.

Sir, we're all part of the same hypocrisy, don't take on this holier
than thou attitude.


Shalom.


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza