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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Effects of AC with Continental // PWA (CAI) with American ?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:38:54 GMT

In <1992Nov12.132635.26428@bmerh85.bnr.ca> tedwong@bnr.ca (Ted Wong) writes:


>What will happen to the tickets already purchased if CAI goes into
>bankruptcy??

Bankruptcy does not mean the outfit ceases to exist.  After all
Continental is in bankruptcy (isn't it?) and it flies everyday and was
attractive enough to get Air Canada to invest in it.  

It seems clear that Air Canada's strategy is to impoverish PWA so they
can be picked off easily.  

For those who don't have access to the hourly updates on this matter
that we in Canada are getting from the CBC, the issue has recently
turned on the fate of Gemini the reservation service mostly owned by
Air Canada.  American seems willing to invest some money in Canadian
(Canadian Airlines International owned by PWA = Pacific Western
Airlines), but they want Canadian to drop out of Gemini - Canadian has
a formal contract - and join Sabre.  Air Canada claims this will be
the end of Gemini.  The Federal competition watchdog (this office is
quite independent of the government) has asked a court to let Canadian
out of its Gemini contract in order to keep airline competition alive
in Canada.  This, of course, did not sit well with Air Canada or
Gemini.  Last word this morning is that the Federal government has
agreed to give some loan guarantees to Canadian so American
(technically AMR, not the airline itself) will think buying 25% of
Canadian worthwhile.  Air Canada is now threatening to sue the
government if it does this (or if it does this and doesn't do the same
for Air Canada).

Stay tuned.
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Former Soviet Union
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:31:25 GMT

|> In an article about current conditions in the former Soviet Union, in an October  
|> issue of Barron's, I read that there have been approximately 30 mid-air collisions  
|> during the past year.  This seems improbable.

Were these commercial passenger aircraft?  Censorship is so light there
now that I doubt this could have happened without it being highly
publicized.

For what it's worth, I took a couple of Aeroflot internal flights last
month and didn't have any problems.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
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From: fino@point.cs.uwm.edu (Alexander Finogenov)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Chase VISA vouchers for travel on USAir
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:44:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5

In article <1992Nov9.185021.13282@athena.mit.edu> proto@mtl.mit.edu writes:
: 
: I have been very disappointed with Chase's responses to my requests to 
: get information about the voucher program for students on USAir.

Does anybody know if Chase be held responsible for "False advertizing" or
something like that?

To the originator of the discussion: Please, let us know how this problem is
progressing and resolved.

Alex
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: No more USAir Coupons with CHASE Manhattan
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:20:48 GMT

In article <11320@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>I just signed up for a CHASE credit card and called up customer service
>when I got the card. They told me that USAir has discontinued its agreement
>with CHASE to offer student discount coupons effective August 92. My
>application form apparently had a code which told them that the offer was
>not explicitly stated on the form. They simply will not send any coupons.

>4) Does that mean that the coupon program will be discontinued in the future
>   even for those who got their card before August?
>

I had an application (sent to me in the mail) which had an expiration
date of July 31, 1992 (or June 30, 1992; I canot remember which).  I
sent it in within seven days of the deadline.  When I received the
card in September, I called Chase and asked about the USAir
certificate.  They said that the program had been discontinued, but I
should receive a certificate "soon".  As I posted last week, I
received it only last week.  The wording says that the certificate is
good for nine months from the date of issue or December 31, 1993,
whichever is earlier.  I won't expect any more certificates.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: grout@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout)
Subject: Re: Northwest sale ends Thursday!
Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:10:38 GMT

Tamminh Tran <tt26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I found out last night that Northwest is having a sale until this
>Thursday  11/12/92.  The price of a round-trip Pittsburgh-LAX leaving on
>12/24/92 is $310.  On Friday 11/13/92, it will be $510.

>Their number is 1-800-225-2525.

Also, check out USAir and Continental... they have matched Northwest
on some routes.

--
John R. Grout						j-grout@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: AAdvantage travel
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:57:58 GMT

phelps@redbck.stl.dec.com (steve phelps) wrote: 
->	I have some Aadvantage mileage I would like to claim for awards,
->unfortunately, American no longer (as of March) fly from Australia, so I
->will take awards in the US or US/Europe, in the hope that I can use them
->over the next year or so.

are you resident in australia?  does AAdvantage use your australian
address?  if they do, then i would ask them directly if they have a
modified award schedule considering the fact that they no longer serve
australia ... i'd bet they might be able to offer you something you
could use.

->	Is it better to take Anytime, or Plan Ahead awards - are the Plan Ahead
->award seats difficult to get ?

they're not easy to get, but it is possible to get them.  i used a
PlanAAhead award to upgrade to business class on a deep discount fare
... so i'm flying SFO-ORY/BRU-SFO in business class for $625.  i
organized it about two months in advance, but only because that's when
the sale was ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: NYC--Cheap Lodging
Originator: bcrulifs@c00482-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: NYC
Reply-To: bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:46:29 GMT


	As I am in New York City about 4 or 5 times a year, I was wondering
what anyone knew about cheap lodging in Manhattan. (40$ max single per night)
	I've stayed at the AYH on 103rd and Amsterdam (20$ per person/per 
night)  which is allright--decent lavatories, but usually six people to a
room--but quite a way uptown for me.
 	I've also stayed a the Miami Suites (Hotel/Motel?) on Broadway bet.
102nd and 103rd (27$-30$ Single).  The room had a mini refrigerator, sink,
hotplate, desk, and mirror (also some closet space).  The lavatory was--let's
say--less than clean.  I believe some tenants rent rooms for weeks/months at a 
time.
	I've read through the usual travel guides (Frommers/Fodor's) but 
have yet to try any of the places in their "Budget Travel" section.   If
anyone can help me out with their experiences and /or suggestions, please
e-mail me.  I'll try to compile the results and post later.

Brian C Rulifson                    bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: bkush@us.oracle.com (Brian Kush)
Subject: Re: 3 digit codes
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:15:35 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov4.232146.27574@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.stanford.edu (Eric Perozziello) writes:
> Does anyone know what airport the 3 digit code "STC"
> stands for?  Where is it?
> 

St Cloud, MN

There have been lists of all the codes posted to this group before, if anybody
missed it and wants a copy, send e-mail.

--
Brian Kush  --  Oracle Corporation  --  bkush@us.oracle.com
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Concorde prices?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 06:49:27 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au
Keywords: n

In article <pb5cf7r@Unify.Com>, perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:
|> cf@fokus.gmd.de (C. Fuhrhop) wrote:
|> >If you have to ask,...
|> >
|> >Can anyone tell me what a Concorde ticket London - New York (or Washington)
|> >costs? I know these things are horribly expensive, but I would like to know
|> >how expensive they actually are.
|> >
|>
|> I believe it's just the regular first class price.  About 1500 pounds
|> sterling.  And there's no APEX discount :-)
|>
I don't know about APEX discount but I used an upgrade option on a
business class British/Qantas round the world fare to fly London->JFK
on Concorde 5 years ago. I think it cost me something like AU$900 to
blast across the Altantic.

It's well worth doing at least once :-)

Mark.
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From: konjan@eua.ericsson.se (Jan Andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: UA Award Travel from Europe
Keywords: United Airlines
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:36:04 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

I have 12 United Airlines Award cheques. I earned them during 
a period of time when I lived in the US. Questions:

 - Can I use the award cheques to travel from Europe to the US?
 - Can I travel with SAS or any other Mileage Plus parters?
 - Can I travel from Scandinavia?
 - Where to get more info?

Thanks,
	Jan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jan Andersson                  Tel: +46-36-165332
Torpa Konsult AB	     Email: janne@torpa.se 
Box 3011
550 03 Jonkoping, Sweden
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: LA Airport
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:00:08
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Nov8.094409.21469@ohare.Chicago.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM's message of Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:44:09 GMT

On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:44:09 GMT, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) said:

> Air Canada and Canadian both used terminal 2, though they've now moved
> to Bradley.  Avianca still departs from 2.

Actually, this isn't surprising, as terminal 2 used to be the international
terminal before the Bradley Intl Terminal was built.

Daniel
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: LA Airport
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 16:39:30 GMT

kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:

>Not true.  *Most* flights on international airlines leave LAX from the
>Tom Bradley Terminal, but not *all*.  Virgin Atlantic used United's
>terminal 7, at least until quite recently.  Strange bedfellows indeed!
>Air Canada and Canadian both used terminal 2, though they've now moved
>to Bradley.  Avianca still departs from 2.

Why does Virgin use the United Terminal.  At Boston Logan, tjhey don't use Terminal E either (TYerminal E is the International Terminal used by BA, AF, AC, LHm,
and other international airlines).. they (Virgin) use Terminal B I think.
Sabena also useed another terminal.  Does anyone know why this is?

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole               "I believe in the future        NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College      there will be no war. Maybe     ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105      not in my lifetime but in    cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388            yours"- Paul Simon         aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: djablon@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J. Jablonski)
Subject: Re: New Mileage Plus Partners - Air Canada, Ansett Australia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:33:03 GMT

Does anyone know if, now that Air Canada will be a major investor in CO,
they will drop out of all the other Frequent Flyer programs?
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From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Chase VISA vouchers for travel on USAir
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:27:21 GMT

proto@mtl.mit.edu (Proto) writes:


>I have been very disappointed with Chase's responses to my requests to 
>get information about the voucher program for students on USAir.
>I have sent them the letter posted below, summarizing my complaints.
>If you have had similar experiences, I urge you to write to them at
>Chase Correspondence, PO Box 31137, Tampa FL 33631-3137.

[letter deleted]

My wife got her voucher only yesterday. She got the card in July!!!
She also had to call once, about two weeks ago!

Peter
.

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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject:   UTA?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:24:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

               
   My wife and I anticipate traveling to French Polynesia
   this December and all our travel agent could get us was
   UTA.   I know very little about them except that they 
   are merging with Air France.   But this alone alarms
   me since Air France is having layoffs and other financial
   problems and I hate to fly airlines in such deep doo-doo.
   I've worked at companies having layoffs before and I 
   know what effect that has on people's morale and quality
   of work.    Any comments on UTA, their equipment, or their
   service?   How were they doing financially before the 
   merger?
                   

---peter




   
   
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From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: U.S. domestic fare wars
Keywords: airfares, sale
Reply-To: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:55:18 GMT

As some of you may already know, there is a fare war going on in the U.S.
This war was started by Northwest on monday, November 9.  Tickets have to be
purchased by TOMORROW, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12.

Northwest has been matched by most other airlines.  I checked half a
dozen markets, and in each market Northwest had been matched by every
other airline serving the market.  That included America West, American,
Continental, Delta, Midwest Express, TWA, United, and US Air.

During the sale, the lowest published fares are discounted by an additional 35%
for flights to or from the following airports:

BHM : Birmingham, AL - Birmingham Airport
BTR : Baton Rouge, LA - Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport, Ryan Field
BUF : Buffalo, NY - Greater Buffalo International Airport
BWI : Baltimore, MD - Baltimore Washington International Airport
DCA : Washington, DC - Washington National Airport
EWR : Newark, NJ - Newark International Airport
LAX : Los Angeles, CA - Los Angeles International Airport
LGA : New York, NY - La Guardia Airport
LIT : Little Rock, AR - Adams Field
MCO : Orlando, FL - Orlando International Airport
ONT : Ontario, CA - Ontario International Airport
ORF : Norfolk, VA - Norfolk International Airport
PHX : Phoenix, AZ - Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport
RIC : Richmond, VA - Richmond International Airport (Byrd Field)
ROC : Rochester, NY - Greater Rochester International Airport
SAN : San Diego, CA - San Diego International Airport-Lindbergh Field
SLC : Salt Lake City, UT - Salt Lake City International Airport
SNA : Santa Ana, CA - John Wayne Airport/Orange County
SYR : Syracuse, NY - Syracuse Hancock International Airport
TPA : Tampa, FL - Tampa International Airport
TUS : Tucson, AZ - Tucson International Airport
TYS : Knoxville, TN - McGhee Tyson Airport
VPS : Fort Walton Beach, FL - Okaloosa County Airport/Eglin Air Force Base

Happy savings!

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   Paulo Santos                         Internet: pas@cc.gatech.edu
   Georgia Tech, College of Computing       uucp: ...!gatech!cc!pas
   Atlanta GA 30332-0280, U.S.A.           Voice: (404) 853-9393
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: What can I do as a Premire United MP Member?
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 04:39:56 GMT

I am a United Airlines Milage Plus PREMIRE member because I filled out this little card in Frequent Flyer magazine and I never fly United - I stick to NW and
DL because they go to where I want to go and United does not (LEB).  Should
I go out of my way because I have Premir to use United.. any advice?

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole               "I believe in the future        NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College      there will be no war. Maybe     ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105      not in my lifetime but in    cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388            yours"- Paul Simon         aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: asai@etl.go.jp (Kiyoshi Asai)
Subject: Re: Ticket question - Hong Kong - Singapore
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: asai@etl.go.jp (Kiyoshi ASAI)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:44:16 GMT

On 11/05/92(01:25) citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) wrote
in <1992Nov4.162523.28029@colorado.edu> (rec.travel.air:4079/etlss2):
 |When I get to Hong Kong this December, I may want to make a quick hop over
 |to Singapore for a few days, but I'd prefer not to make that decision until
 |I'm there.  Is it possible to buy deeply discounted last-minute r/t tickets
 |between Hong Kong and Singapore in Hong Kong?  What might I expect to pay?
 |Can anyone recommend a reputable agency there?

You can get such tickets easily in Hong Kong. You need not decide
before you reach to Hong Kong. I'm not shure for the fares, but I
expect it's around $300USD.

Time Travel Services
Block A,16/F,Chung King Mansion,
40 Nathan Rd., T.S.T. Kowloon.
Phone: +852 3666222
FAX:   +852 7395413

You can also check the agents by the English local newspaper in Hong
Kong.

Kiyoshi Asai
Electrotechnical Lab. Tsukuba, JAPAN
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From: brentw@coopsol.com (Brent Williams)
Subject: Re: AAdvantage travel
Organization: Cooperative Solutions, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:48:23 GMT

phelps@redbck.stl.dec.com (steve phelps) writes:


>	What ammount of flexibility is there in booking with the Plan Ahead
>awards compared with the Anytime awards, ie what book ahead time is needed for
>US domestic travel and US/Europe travel, and can I use a US/South America 
>award for US domestic travel ?

	I would recommend 60 days minimum for Plan Ahead awards.  I would 
	also recommend you be flexible in your travel plans because you 
	are unlikely to get "prime" flights.  Fortunately, you don't have
	to ticket immediately -- I booked a reservation 60 days ahead of 
	time and (because I didn't have the correct mileage at the time I 
	booked) got the tickets issued the week before the trip (only cost
	me $50 to have the tix sent overnight air).  This is apparently 
	standard practice.

	Booking time for non-US destinations are likely to be longer than 
	intra-US destinations.  Of course, you shouldn't have too much 
	trouble on off-season US-Europe travel finding available seats.

>	Is it better to take Anytime, or Plan Ahead awards - are the Plan Ahead
>award seats difficult to get ?

	They are by definition more difficult to get than anytime awards.
	But then again, they cost only half as much.

>	Any info on how to make the best use of the mileage would be 
>appreciated.

	My rule is to use plan ahead always.  If you're traveling for 
	vacation, you probably have to plan ahead some time anyway.
	And it goes twice as far.  

-- 
Brent Williams/Cooperative Solutions Inc., San Jose CA   (408) 377-0300
brentw@coopsol.com
Cooperative Solutions makes Ellipse, a development environment for
industrial strength graphical client/server business applications.
From: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Need Help with Standard Trick to save $$$ Air-Fare
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:30:32 -0600
Organization: Just Do It Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.cs.utexas.edu


OK, here's what I want to do.  Fly from Austin to Denver (roundtrip).
But, I can buy a MUCH cheaper roundtrip ticket from Austin to Reno (which
happens to stop in Denver both ways).  If I buy this ticket,
going to Denver, and getting off is no problem.  But what about coming back?
When I miss my Denver to Reno connection, and my Reno to Denver
flight back, they will surely cancel my reservation.
     But, I will already have my boarding pass (and only carry-on
luggage).  The Denver-Austin final leg is on a different plane at
a different gate, and I don't see how they can catch me.
    Who out there knows how to get away with this?  What safegaurds
do the airlines have to check for this?  Can it be done????

Let me know......
-- 
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From: rdorich@jade.tufts.edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Layover in London-What/how to do?!
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:21:58 GMT
	<gf0FURI00k00BlgmJp@transarc.com> <97121@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

If you guys don't have much time, you can also try going to Windsor,
and visit around... there's a catle (still used) and Eton school
(famous British school).  It's a nice little town, you can't take the
tube to there, but there's a bus that gets there from Heathrow in
about 20 mins.

	Rob
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