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From: ac999265@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999265)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOW hotel and travel arrangements
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Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:55:29 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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Keywords: MOW travel metro DC

In article <1993Jan11.002047.28483@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com 
(Thomas D. Barrett) writes:

>I also echo the praise of the metro... it is by far the best thing to
>use while in DC.  

>Once established near DuPont Circle and equipped
>with my trusty walking tennies, I had the most fun getting around and
>really valued the time waiting for the bus/train (it was great time to
>talk to friends... or even read up on the next events).  And, you
>can't beat the cost!  Believe me, if you go to NYC, DC, Chicago, and
>especially SF, a car is something that you don't want or need.

The metro is wonderful.  It is fast, easy, clean, and safe.  However,
there are only a few lines, so much of the city is inaccessible by 
metro (train, that is -- there are lots of buses as well).  The other
*very* *important* thing to know (if you are a late night sort of 
person) is that the metro closes ridiculously early, like 11:40 or 
something, and if your hotel is in the 'burbs you'll pay a lot for a
cab ride home from the bars.

Miriam
From: hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu (Harry Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:29:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <TIM.93Jan11064708@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:

>....I'm sure that other schools and institutions have dealt with this
>situation in a number of ways, but other than knowing that Harvard
>took the doors off the stalls in the Science Center's downstairs
>bathroom, I have little information.  I know that lesbigay employees
>groups are a recent phenomena, but I'd imagine that student groups at
>other sites have dealt with these situations.  
>
>Beyond the interaction between powers that be and lesbigay
>organizations, I'm interested in the response of the community in
>general.

From today's (Jan 12) Univ of S Calif Daily Trojan Security 
Roundup column:
   "At 8:30 PM, security received a report of lewd conduct in the men's
restroom in the basement of the Student Union.  When officers arrived,
they found five males in the restroom. When questioned, the subjects 
said they were unaware of any lewd conduct and were released. The 
officers discovered holes in the stalls 1 to 2 inches in diameter through
which the adjacent stalls were visable. Physical Plant was notified of
the damage."

Interesting how a news report filtered through (apparent) college-age
heterosexual sensibility can purge an event of drama, precedent, pretense,
protocol....

<> "Sex without love requires disavowal of shame." --Donald Nathanson <>
<> Harry Baldwin  hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu                              <>


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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Cl*yt*n - who are you?
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:07:45 GMT

In article <13833@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>From article <C0EG52.FIo@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, by ouz085@cck.coventry.ac.uk (J Murdock):
>
>> Given the regularity with which the unpleasant chappy posts, 
>> surely he should be in the picture archive?
>
>I just can't help but ponder:
>
>Just what would you do while looking at his picture?  :-)

I'd buy a dart board just for the occasion.  It wouldn't be the slightest
bit productive, but it's cheap entertainment.

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:50:56 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <76194@apple.apple.COM> brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >It's always been my feeling that anyone can call me anything
> >at all.  I don't particularly care.  Sometimes I'll answer
> >back, but usually I'll ignore them.
>
> I was walking through the Castro last weekend, and walked past a Muni
> bus stopped at a red light (at Market street).  Several young (read:
> juvenile) black kids were hanging their heads out of the back window
> of the bus and screaming "faggot", "queer" and other hateful diatribe
> at passers-by, myself included.  [ ... ]
> Although I did nothing to retaliate, a friend that I later retold this 
> story to suggested that maybe I should have yelled back "nigger", in 
> an attempt to remind them of the hatefulness present in directed slurs 
> like that.  [ ... ]
> So, my question is, what would *you* have done in this situatation?

I'd have ignored them, I think.  Look, I get called "faggot",
"cocksucker", and all that in the middle of West Hollywood.
I have been known to reply in kind, but I'm not terribly 
comfortable screaming "nigger", or "wetback", or "white
trash motherfucker" in public.  I *think* these words, mind
you, but I don't like to say them.  I'll occasionally flip
these morons off, or give them the Italian salute, or something
along those lines, but usually I continue walking.

Oh yes, I always, and I mean always, look these shitheads
in the eyes.  I'm sure the utter contempt I feel for them is
obvious in my face.

Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 20:08:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1hm5m8INNfja@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan4.204218.4396@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

Ry Schwark writes:
>>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>> Adolphson whines:
>>
>>No, I wasn't "whining".
>
>Don't take it personally, George defines whining as speaking without
a full beard.
>a full beard.

Utterly incorrect; that would mean anyone female could do nothing
but whine, a result that is obviously false.

A more accurate way to frame my opinion is that anything Arne
says has a roughly 95% chance of being a whine.

Usually, a bitchy whine at that.

 
() Natural selection won't matter soon, not anywhere as much
() as conscious selection. We will civilize and alter
() ourselves to suit our ideas of what we can be. Within
() one more human lifespan, we will have changed ourselves
() unrecognizably.
()      -- Greg Bear
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:43:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.130051.783@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren
I.  Petrich) writes:

>If Dan Quayle was gay, would he be a Twinkie? [...]

>Even if he is not a Twinkie, he is certainly a male bimbo.

I wasn't aware that "twink" conveyed any such notion of
mental vacuity; I've taken it to be approximately the
antonym of "bear," that is, a (body-) hairless (male)
person.  If it isn't a term assigned by genetic accident,
then it's a (negative) epithet that sensitive, caring people
wouldn't use, right?

Right?

-- 
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[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:33:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C0Dy39.647@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) wrote:

> You wimps. Real men drink from the bottle like in the leatherbars in
> the Warmoesstraat.

And the *shape* of a bottle is so much more - well, you know.
I am reminded, again, of My Own Private Idaho where we are in
a bar/restaurant and a little blond muffin is telling his tale
of woe - of having just such a bottle inserted roughly into
his tail, is what he told.  This was said to have occured in
Washington Park.  I remember cruising around Washington Park
in a limo after my prom.  Sadly, no such luck for me (and,
indeed, I was in the company of a member of that other sex...)

*X*
(who also fondly remembers the Sucking on River Phoenix thread,
and has recently attempted to suck on what the Squirrel claims
is an ersatz photo of a naked Marky Mark with elongated erection -
supplied by one Mike Batchelor; I, though not convinced of the
reality of said picture being un-editedly Marky, am nevertheless
more than willing to use my imagination - though a color monitor,
if one of *thirteen* *inches* - is nothing to suck on...)
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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride Ring Colours on the Necklace
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:26:16
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu's message of 30 Dec 92 07:15:30 GMT


 cc4507@u.cc.utah.edu (Chucki Carpinello) writes:
>> 
>> 	I need to know where I can get a Pride Ring Necklace (?) at a good
>> price innocently :)
>> thanX

You can also order them from The Christopher Street West Association
by calling 213-656-6553 and having your MC/VISA number handy.  Any
profit made goes back into supporting GLB* organizations in California
and around the country.

In addition to the traditional rainbow rings they also have black and
pink triangles.

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of women)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:28:12 GMT

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes of bra burning and
Arne Adolphson's reply to Todd Merriman's article:
 >Of course you do, dear. It was a media-hype fiction invented by men
 >in the press to express their limited understanding and condescension
 >toward issues women were raising under a sympathetic facade.  Doesn't
 >that remind you of the rest of the message to which you replied?

That's exactly the way it struck me.

I have been known to talk about makeup but I'm not in the mood
right now and the original article (yes, Jess, it did seem to
imply a context that I never saw) didn't do anything to increase
my eagerness for the discussion.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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From: spencer@ernie.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: A not-so-cheery coming out story
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@ernie.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:35:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.215900.25330@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>Mark and Tom are oh-so-right.  This doesn't make the guy's reaction any
>less shocking and hurtful, but it won't be long before this hurt will fade.
>You didn't lose a friend, you lost a bigot, one well worth scratching off
>your list of people worth spending time with unless he ever reconsiders,
>apologizes and proves himself otherwise.  You deserve more than this reaction,
>and I wouldn't worry excessively long over losing someone who proves himself
>so unworthy of your own friendship.

Along the same lines, I think part of the depression is also over what
the relationship *could* have been, if only the person hadn't turned
out to be a bigot.  Or is that saying the same thing?

There's someone at home that I'm really beginning to like, although he
doesn't know about me being gay yet.  I'm a bit apprehensive about
telling him (although I will end up telling him eventually if the
putative friendship progresses; I don't like hiding things from friends)
because at this point I don't know him well enough to gauge what his
reaction would be.  Apart from that, I think we get along pretty well,
our personalities mesh, we have common interests, etc.

I understand and accept as valid the idea that, in such a situation, you
aren't losing a friend, you're ridding yourself of a bigot, and that you
are bound to come across someone else of similar nature without the
bigoted part, but knowing that doesn't help much, as you say.  It's
worse to have something (or think you have something) and end up losing
it, than never to have had it at all.  (If that makes sense...)

Oh well.  I think I'm beginning to babble, and my CS project isn't
getting any closer to being done...

-----
sss / Princeton University Class of 1994 / Department of Computer Science
Laws... so widely disobeyed and which cannot be enforced only promote
disrespect for the law in general. [NJ Ass'yman Mikulak, RE: 55 MPH
limit]

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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:42:47 GMT

In article <18334@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.222725.5130@psych.toronto.edu>, paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>> >
>> >Or the uniquest????
>> >
>> Wouldn't that be 'most unique'?
>
>Sorry--my little attempt at humor. It's either unique, or it isn't; there are
>no degrees.

Be thankful he only corrected your English.  Being a grad student,
Paul is usually more inclined to conducting experiments on people.  B{)

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:00:11 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California

> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>>The article suggests that New York City ran into
>>trouble with its similar "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum
>>because it failed to include parents in developing the
>>curriculum and is trying to introduce it to first-graders,
>>rather than older kids (6th/7th graders), like other, more
>>successful programs...
>
>I'm sure that involving the parents and getting them to buy in is
>a good way to gain acceptance for the programs, but what is
>the objection to introducing these programs to first graders?

The parents!  The article didn't suggest that delaying this
education until 6th-7th grade was A Good Thing, merely that
that was what parents were more likely to accept.  It said
that this is also the age at which most formal sex education
begins in these schools (which is also ludicrously late IMHO)...

>As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better on programs like
>this.  In first grade, I'd think that the kids have a better chance
>of having their preconceptions knocked loose, so to speak...

No argument here.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Stonewall and Gay Pride
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:44:37 GMT

In article <1it6itINNl0h@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>I'd go a bit further than you on this, Jess, and
>claim that the gay and lesbian subcultures which 
>are now to be seen all over the world from Toronto
>to Tokyo (with some regional differences) are 
>specifically American in origin and simply wouldn't 
>exist in their present forms had it not been for 
>Stonewall.

Quite possibly, although it seems to me a key phrase in your
formulation is "in their present forms." An alternate
formulation might posit that an idea whose time has come
will eventually express itself in *some* form, and that the
forms indicated by the earlier civil rights and antiwar
struggles (these had a suitably international appeal, of
course) were adopted, not out of some intrinsic quality, but
only because they were close at hand.

There is a certain quasi-logical force to a history that
*has* happened, in contrast to one that *might have*
happened, but in truth "had it not been for" is perhaps an
untestable hypothesis.

<> Just about all real intellectual activity starts from the
<> understanding that *there is a problem here*, especially
<> in things we take for granted. -- Arnold Zwicky
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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From: s0gwb@exnet.co.uk (George Battrick)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:44:45 GMT

In article <C0FFJ5.6KG@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> cbap09@uk.ac.strath.ccsun writes:
> ...
>(can't remember the manufacturer). I think Fahrenheit gives
>me the biggest turn on - although one of my friends wears
>Obsession for Men and that almosts makes me sweat...:-)
>

Hmmm.  Fahrenheit smells quite pretty, but for a turn-on I vote for
Roger+Gallet's "L'Homme". 

And (picking up another reply) I don't find that Fahrenheit smells of
cum, but horse-chestnut trees in flower do to a seriously embarassing
degree.
From: klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:41:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <C0GB9y.6LJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright) writes:

>>In article <6JAN93.18093483@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>>One reason I love my bunny is they don't get fleas.  If I could only train
>>>her to stop eating wires, though.

>>I don't understand. You have a rabbit that eats wire?

>The greatest source of damage to telephone cables strung on
>poles (as opposed to being buried) is squirrels, not bad
>weather or falling branches.  They chew right through the
>outer plastic coating and right through the (thick, in a
>large cable) aluminum shield, so they can eat the wires.

A friend of mine recently had his girlfriend move in. She
has a rabbit. There is one wire that couldn't be moved up
out of reach. They have got it armored.

Klaus O K
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Paris
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:56:35 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <18306@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>Muscle mags have little to do with education, more
>to do with selling over-priced supplements, so presumably the discovery
>that one of these primped and preened prima donnas was *actually* gay
>hurt the circulation of some mags.

	You answer your own "presumption" in the first clause
	of this sentence.  I think it far more likely that
	*advertisers* would object to Mr. P's publicity, rather
	than a significant percentage of readers.

	The price of a magazine -- or even a subscription -- is
	negligible compared to advertising bucks.  Hence the
	advertisers' power in this and many other countries.
	Worse luck.

	Not that I'm a Paris fan, any old how.

	Cheers, -R


--
Ignorant people think it's the *noise* which fighting cats make
that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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From: cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Reply-To: cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:23:40 GMT

In article <72992@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Wayne Hughes writes:

>>  do natural odors (er, fragrances) come through even over a
>>  daily bathing routine?
>
>One would hope so.  It's quite delightful.  Not to mention that
>a day's worth of sweat is *far* tastier than that horrid aluminum
>crap that's in antiperspirant, or the ingredients in any
>deodorant or perfume/cologne.

I have a friend who eschews scents, deodorants, etc. and claims that 
the smell of sweat from physical exersion is different (and better) 
from the smell of sweat from stress or nervousness.  Sounds improbable
to me.  Does anyone else make this distinction?

Personally, I like my perfume.

Laura
cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu






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From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Smurf Gang (it's baaa-aaaaaaaack!!)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:02:14 GMT

In article <18300@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <5JAN93.19073960@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov replies:
>> >is popular, and patchoulli (sp?) oil always seems to be wafting around 
>> >Toronto's warehouse parties...
> 
>> I do like patchoulli, but it is difficult to wear when it is 95F and humid.
>
>Isn't wearing patchouli oil in a hot sweaty warehouse party a 
>hate crime 

My point.  I think the only reason there is any in my salle de bain is
that Blanche, my roomie, is a BMF*, and she coated a select number of
one of her CDs in the stuff some time ago, so Balnche just *had* to 
have some!
Ah well, helped out my vaguely Arabic hallowe'en costume this year...
-paul

* BMF - Big Madonna Fanboy
        or
        Barely Managable Fauner

-- 
Blew Biyou     S6 b++gly+z+n+o+x+a-uj+
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: MOTSS on Doogie Howser, M.D.?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:05:15 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

I hear from a co-worker that last night's episode of
Doogie Howser, M.D. dealt with a straight man overcoming
his phobia of having a gay room-mate.  I didn't see it;
did anyone else here?

Any impressions to share?

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:53:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.221422.2686@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>Catchy theme music, upbeat, modern. TOM SELLECK leads the audience in
>a joyful noise unto the camera. Millions of TV-land viewers to switch
>away from Network 23 to watch the spectacle of "Shout away your
>weakness! You can cure your deviant sexual orientation!" The latest in
>infomercial technology, TV therapy.

Jojo?  Is that you?  You sure *look* different ...

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