HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Aug27.150004.10693@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>I suspect they often work in clusters for their own protection.  They are lots
>of angry people out there with guns in their cars.  If one officer gets in
>trouble, there are others nearby.
Has nothing to do with it, Richard.  It means that there's a 'rat pack'
operation in progress...  Were you to look overhead, you'd see a CHP airplane
cruising back and forth.  We you to listen on the CHP 'air-to-ground'
frequency, you'd hear the plane id cars, speed, plate number, etc. - and
even tell the next chipper in line when to pull out to get the guy.

I'm not sure if it's a purely revenue operation, or a 'shooting fish in a
barrel' training exercise.  Perhaps both.

Opinions, flames, etc. welcomed.


kbq



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From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:43:56 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Kenneth C. Wunner <kcw@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM> writes:

	What function does the State Police perform as opposed to the
	CHP?

CHP has the charter of the highways.  Thus the name.  The State Police
(like most other states) has the charter of all (non-highway) "state
owned" land, such as the Capitol, as well as security detail for state
VIPs.  Lots of other states lump highway patrol in with the "normal"
State Police, but California is in a small group of states that see it
as being significant enough to warrant its own force.

/jordan
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
From: tim@dwp.la.ca.us (T-Man)
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:59:36 GMT
Organization: LADWP

In article <2AA77B88.15476@ics.uci.edu> levine@dinsdale.ics.uci.edu (David Levine) writes:
>How about titling the car in another state, then getting a title/
>registration here?  Would require a trip out of state, but it might be
>worth it.
>
>Anyone tried this?
>
>David
I went through a scenario resembling this a few years ago.  I moved from
California to Texas with slightly expired (a few months) plates.  The good
folks in Texas made me pay THEM back to the expiration date of the California
plates!!
Also, I moved back to California about 18mo later and when I registered the
vehicle here I indeed got a seperate registration from the original (which
still showed up as long expired and owing back fees).  In fact, they got
confused a few times pulling up the OLD registration when I was at the DMV
getting new plates.
From: ari@viipuri.nersc.gov (Ari Ollikainen)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Speed trap - Embarcadero&El Camino, PA
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:29:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Energy Research Supercomputer Center, Livermore CA

In article <1992Aug27.190753.15436@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:
>The Palo Alto Revenue Officers are at it again.  One guy with a radar
>gun on the Alma overpass, and a whole gaggle of cops next to
>Town&Country pulling over everyone in sight.

Huh?? Unless school is in session (That's a school zone, for the unobservant)
a radar ticket on Embarcadero would lose in court! The PAPD can *only* radar
enforce the segments of Embarcadero which qualify as School Zones. 
Check it out!

Ari Ollikainen
Speeder and PaloAlto resident
(no tix from the PAPD!)



Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Where to Find "Fight Your Ticket" Book
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:30:02 GMT

have you tried your local library, also Nolo press (they are the ones who
publish this book, I belive have an office in Berkely. (call information
for the number)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:49:36 GMT

In article <23098@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) writes:
:I've seen white cars mark "State Police" in Los Angeles.  I saw one on a
:freeway that looked like it had pulled someone over and was giving a
:ticket, and once saw one on a surface street that also looked like it had
:pulled someone over and was giving a ticket.
:
:I grew up in Los Angeles, and I had never seen anyone on a local freeway
:pulled over except by the CHP, so I was really surprised and wondered
:"Who the hell are these white car'ed 'State Police' people?"

Just so you all know, any sworn police officer in this state (that
includes deputy sheriff's, park rangers, safety police, state police
and a host of others you probably never have heard of) have full
police powers ANYWHERE in the state, regardless of jurisdiction.  They
all must pass the same exams and standards.  There might be some
procedural problems with writing a ticket out of their normal
jurisdiction, but the ticket is just as valid.


Lee

"Nothing blasts forever" -- Keats on ammo.

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: techie@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Bob Vaughan)
Subject: Re: RADAR ALERT on 101!
Organization: Stanford Radio Club, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:04:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.032331.13923@xyzoom.info.com> rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>
>I don't know if this has ever been brought up in this group, but if
>you have a scanner or radio receiver that can receive the frequency
>154.905, give a listen there while driving.  This is the frequency
>used by the CHP for their mobile extenders.  The mobile extender is a
>mini-repeater system in the car that allows an officer with a small
>low-powered Handi-Talkie to communicate with a dispatcher.  Since the
>range of the system is designed to be limited (officer doesn't stray
>too far from the car), reception of the signal can indicate the
>proximity of a CHP unit. 
>
>Mobile extenders are generally left activated when the officer is in
>the car, even though the officer needs it only when out of the car.

I don't believe this is still the case.
With the old radios (Motorola Micor for 42Mhz, and a GE Exec for 154.905)
it was a hacked system. the extender was an addition to the main radio,
and was not designed into the system from the start. They could be, and 
frequently were left on at all times.

With the new radios (all GE), the extender was designed into the system.
It is apparently set up so that you cannot have the extender and the 
in-car control head functional at the same time. (i think this is sort
of stupid in some ways).
There is also a new method of dealing with the problem of multiple extenders
being active in the same area. When a officer switches his radio to "extend",
it transmits a tone on the extender frequency, which turns off all the other
extenders on the scene. Only the last extender on the scene stays active.

This information is compiled from several sources, but they all seem to agree.


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From: barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:31:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to Find "Fight Your Ticket" Book
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: ca.driving

I've seen it at Waldenbooks.

Actually, the Nolo Press is quite quick at shipping the book if you
order via credit card (and Berkeley ain't that far from you if you're
really in a hurry).

Good luck,
b.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 09:27:25 GMT


No no no... CSU campus police are NOT affiliated with the State
Police, they are "kiddie kops", ready to arrest and harass poor
starving college students. My Russian language instructor (SDSU)
likened them the the Commitee for State Security (better known by
it's Russian initials- K.G.B.) and he WAS there.

The State Police has jurisdiction over state property like the
Capitol (no vagrants in the parks surrounding the Capitol) and cal
Expo (where the State Fair is held)

In other cities you might find them, but for the most part, they
are inconspicious.


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From: bchen@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Benjamin Chen)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: No Proof of Insurance?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:55:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

My insurance agent told me that CHP can no longer ask for proof of
insurance when they pull you over for a ticket.  They can only
ask for proof in the event of an accident.  According to him,
this became effective only this year.  Can someone confirm or
these assertions?

	BC
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From: dflynn@aludra.usc.edu (Daniel Flynn)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:05:28 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz) writes:

>Yes I was surpized to see one too, but who do you think protects the
>Goveror? and all state office buildings?
>the STate police of course!.
>(I think that would even incuulde the DMV offices (ie if they ever got
>robbed or burgilzed.


Actually, a detatchment of CHP's serve to protect the Governor when he is
away from the Governor's Mansion or Capitol Building. While on the premises
o any of the aforementioned buildings, the responsibility is that of the
State Police
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Apartment in U Dist.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:26:26 GMT

Anyone know of a month-to-month (rental) apartment 
in/around U District?

Thanks.


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From: torerik@cs.washington.edu (Tor Erik Jeremiassen)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: deadlock on Caller ID
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:48:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug28.164809.2894
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <MERLYN.92Aug27231047@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@romulus.reed.edu (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>
>I don't think that having a phone company sell off my privacy to you
>is moral.  Now, if *I'm& doing something wrong, like harrassing you,
>*sure*... get the phone company involved and the police involved.  But
>short of that, just get an answering machine.

 Gee, so when you call me at home, invading my privacy, it is too much to
 ask for that you provide me with the number you're calling from? After
 all, you are calling me!! If you refuse to give me this information then
 don't call!
>
>Listen... I'm all *for* having "trace this number for the police" on a
>button.  But "here's my phone number to every tom dick and harry I
>call" is not fun, nor necessary.  *Nobody* has shown me that it is

 So the people you call should have their privacy invaded, while you hide
 behind the cloak of privacy? If you call a business on their 800 number
 they get your number, why should I not get this information if you call me
 at home??

>necessary, *especially* if we add a "trace this number for the police"
>button to every phone.  (Well, OK, an escape sequence, not a single
>button. :-)
>
>If the phone company will make money selling you my phone number when
>I call, I want a piece of the action!
>
>Just another private fellow, fighting for the rest of us,

 Don't even pretend to talk for me!


 Tor Jeremiassen
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From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: WSP laser
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:00:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: Tomobiki.MS-C.715626019.377401575.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

Yes, a new form of revenue enforcement tool has come into existance, using
lasers instead of radar to do the speed measurement.  Not to worry, there are
already a new generation of radar detectors which also hunt out lasar light.
Contrary to the propaganda, the beam is not the little narrow beam that leaves
a tiny dot that most people think of; it's dispersed widely, both to cover
inaccuracy in the officer's aim and to give the receiver some chance in
getting a useful signal reflected back.

What is dispersed widely can be received in other locations than the target
vehicle, and that the is the key behind radar/laser detection; alerting the
driver while *someone else* is being monitored.  If it alerts you that *you*
are being monitored and you're going over the speed limit, you might as well
just pull over and save the cop the trouble of flashing his xmas tree lights;
you've been caught.

I've heard about experiments in deploying laser, but haven't seen any evidence
of laser monitoring yet.  Supposedly it's mostly on I-405.  The cops in the
areas I'm concerned about all use good old X and K band.

By the way, before you buy a radar/laser detector, (1) make sure you buy a
good quality such as Escort or Whistler (Radio Shack is useless), (2) make
sure you really want one.  Cops know damn well who has radar detectors
(they're easier to spot; the driver who slows down as soon as you turn the
radar gun on) and occasionally decide to have fun.  With Bainbridge Island
cops, they love to follow you for 2-3 miles on your tail with the radar gun
aimed at you, knowing full well your detector is screaming its alert at you
(or at least flashing if you've muted it) just to annoy you.
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:14:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220846.20025@fnx.uucp> jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala) writes:
>Uh, you mean if I choose not to answer the phone, some idiot can put the
>number on "Continuous Redial" until I either lose my mind or rip the phone
>out of the wall?  What a great idea!  What wonderful added security and
>service that will bring me as a telephone consumer!

>*NOT*

   I have to agree with you on this one jack.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,uw.general,misc.forsale,misc.wanted
From: jcf@milton.u.washington.edu (John Franklin)
Subject: Waffle Iron Wanted
Keywords: waffles
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:41:24 GMT

I want to buy an old waffle iron that will make four 4.5" waffles at atime.  John Franklin or Mary Radomsky 322-3864
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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Washington State Patrol's `cellular listening center'
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:23:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Sep2.142331.25353
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

In article <MS-C.715375780.662824084.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>, mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
   
> It's also used to snitch on drunk drivers, but in my experience the State
> Patrol isn't interested in citizen drunk driver reports (unlike the California
> Highway Patrol which actively solicits them and even sends all cellular users
> a `Guide for Detecting Drunk Drivers').  Evidentally Washington doesn't take
> drunken driving very seriously.

That's becuase the WSP is mostly interested in sitting by the side of the 
road, watching their precious radar. I've lost count of the number of times
that I've seen one or more state police cars parked by the side of the road 
while a couple of miles up is a stranded motorist is vainly waiting for 
help.

I had a friend who calls them the Washington State Radar Patrol. Heaven help
us that they should actually be out *patrolling* the roads.
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From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Washington State Patrol's `cellular listening center'
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:20:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mdd.1992Sep1.222035.28765
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA

In article <MS-C.715375780.662824084.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
>
>It's also used to snitch on drunk drivers, but in my experience the State
>Patrol isn't interested in citizen drunk driver reports (unlike the California
>Highway Patrol which actively solicits them and even sends all cellular users
>a `Guide for Detecting Drunk Drivers').  Evidentally Washington doesn't take
>drunken driving very seriously.

Or perhaps existing enforcement of drunk driving laws is considered effective
relative to cost and that an informed, rational decision weighing social 
benefits against financial and social cost of recruiting everyone with a 
cellular phone into vigilante law enforcement effort was made.





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From: neil@cadreor.cadre.com (Neil W. Van Dyke)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: CALLER ID
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cadreor.1992Aug27.062902.19760
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc., Portland Operation

Caller-ID will allow any organization I call to cross-reference my phone
number to a database and bring up a file on me before they even answer the
phone.

The technology to do this is trivial, and the databases are there.

While I am accountable for what I say if I call a business, government agency,
individual, or whoever, I do not want anyone to have the capability to look me
up in any databases they have access to, just because I called them on the
phone.

It seems to me that there's a great potential for abuse here.

As another poster mentioned, there are other ways of tracing harrassing calls.
I can screen my calls with my answering machine.  Call-blocking can be done at
the phone company.  I can't of any other reasons for Caller-ID which don't
invade somebody's privacy.

I'd appreciate hearing other people's views on this issue...

Neil

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Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: jim@halcyon.com (Jim Morrison)
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.061952.5066@polari> markt@polari.online.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.211021.14096@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>B
>>     This one is something I've had a hard time figuring out too.  We have
>>just over 100 on Eskimo with 13 lines, and running a Sun 3/180 with 24 megs
>>of RAM, and at this point I'm looking at adding more lines, more RAM, and
>>upgrading to a 3/280 CPU.
>>     How someone can support 3000 users on 16 lines, let alone 12, with a
>>386 box and 6 megabytes of RAM is beyond me.
>
 How about the users who have accounts on 4 or more machines?
 Of course we only login to one BBS at a time, really ... 
>
>Hmm, well not all of SOL's accounts are paid accounts.. Most are free.
>Most services here are available to anyone for 30 minutes a day.
>
At any given time, you will find from 4 to 15 users on polari.
Make that 11 max now..

Most of the users are technically oriented types, and we get free reign
of the system (excluding root access to sensitive areas)

The non-techies react in a variety of ways to this, its not always
an easy place to start out in BBS' ing.

>lets see what wc -l /etc/passwd gives us.
>   3041  /etc/passwd
>
>Yep, 3041 entries..
>
And 2000 of them are repeat aliases from rabid gamers! 
>
>But anyway, This system is not running on a 386, its a 486 with 16 megs or
>ram..

And still the fastest box in town.. (when its running) hehe
>
>
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Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: simnet@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:41:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssc-bee.5531
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

In article <1992Aug27.073229.16965@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:
> BTW, the only way they are going to get your address is from a reverse
> directory, and maybe not even then.

And this is the important point that most seem to have missed. If you have
an unlisted number, you won't be in any of the reverse directories. All these
battered women's shelters and court employees need to have is an unlisted
number. Some freak can only assault them back via the phone and not in person.

> Also, I suggest that you check out the info available *right now*
> without using Caller-ID. If I have your *name* and a rough idea of
> where you live, I can log onto Compuserve and look for you in a database
> compiled from phone books and other *publicly available* sources.
> 
> Odds are, I'll find you. Especially if you are a homowner. And I'll
> have your name, your wife's name, possibly the names of others at that
> address, how long you've been living there, etc.

Excellent information. Also, how many people with unlisted numbers have them
imprinted on their checks? Or do you remember to give a fake or work number
instead!

I've tried to get the police to deal with a harassing caller. It is very
difficult to catch them if they pummel you with calls for a day or two and
then let you rest for 3 weeks or so (you have to file a police report, the PD
has to tell the phone company to install/enable the trace -- this takes a few
days and the trace will last for a week or two. If no harassing calls are
made, or even just a few from payphones, they really won't want to set up one
for you again). I would much prefer to have a list of public payphones or
houses or businesses that the harasser frequented in order to confirm who it
is (and confront them) or turn it over to the cops.

		Mark
Newsgroups: seattle.general