From: twnw3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Racism in SF2?
Reply-To: twnw3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:10:44 GMT

In article <BxsGz5.783@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:
>In <1992Nov16.022738.28275@leland.Stanford.EDU> inkblot@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Calvin Cannon) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov15.235400.19644@midway.uchicago.edu> alee@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Hmmm, could there be perhaps a bit of racism in SF2? On the CE version,
>>>when it goes the demo version, it will show a blond white guy facing
>>>a black guy (who can only be seen by his back). The blond guy then
>>>punches out the black guy, and then "Street Fighter II" appears on the
>>>screen... Could this be a bit of racism?
>
>>Before you guys start flaming this guy to a crisp, take a look at other
>>aspects of SFII.  Namely, the endings.
>
>>Ken:  Left his girlfriend to fight in the tournament.
>>Guile: Deserted his family to go after Bison
>>Ryu: Doesn't like ceremony; looks for the next fight.
>>Honda: Keeps on training, being all he can be.  =)
>
>WHAT!?!?  I don't get what you're trying to say here.  
>
>Honda:  Leaves disciples to go fight in tournament, joins his students again.
>Guile:	Leaves family    "  "   "     "    "      ,   "    "    family again.
>Dhalsim: same thing 
>Ken:	get married after fighting in tourney....  
>Sagat:	goes after Ryu for leaving him with scar (I don't know if this is right
>	or not)
>
>basically, they all leave whatever they were doing to fight in tournament or
>do some bragging  (Vega, Bison)
>
>>IN GENERAL, the 'Americans' in SF2 are cocky, arrogant, and not all-around
>>nice people, while the Japanese characters are focused, dedicated 'warriors.'
>>There's a definate polarization here.  Don't believe me, check out the nintendo
>>cart...
>
>I think that the Americans are more family oriented (Ken [gets married], Guile
>[reunites with his family], I haven't seen Balrog's ending yet), while the 
>Asian characters don't have a family (Chun Li [avenges father's death], Ryu
>[just walks away, but whereto?], Honda [goes back to sumo school])
>
>Since there are only 3 americans and 3 "oriental" (for lack of a better word)
>characters, this sample is not big enough to make overall conclusions about
>the characters and where they came from.
>
>>1) In the manual, Ken abandoned his master (sheng long) to go lounge with his
>>   girlfriend on the beach after SF1.
>>2) One of Ken's 'I won' sentences is, 'Get up, it's too early for you to be
>>   defeated.' 
>>3) One of Ryu's 'I won' sentences is, 'Pretty good, but you'll have to 
>>   practice more to beat me.' <---that's a paraphrase
>
>I haven't seen the manuals or any endings, so I can't answer this.
>
>>There's other stuff, like the Capcom version of the 'American Dream' as told
>>be Balrog in his ending. All these politics have nothing to do with the
>>playability of the game, but they _do_ give a bit of insight into the minds
>>of the game's creator(s).  So what's the verdict?  Is this a legit finding, or
>>are all these coincidences??
>
>>>-- 
>>>Typical news read   Computer: NFS server wakinyan not responding still trying
>>>at the U of C -     Computer: NFS server wakinyan not responding still trying
>>>Don'tcha love it?   User    : God dammit! Not again! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!
>
>>---
>>T. Cannon
>>(who likes SF2 desipe all this political cr@p)
>
>I like SF2, but I hate political correctness.
(Think of it as respect then. Treat people the way they want to be treated
call them what they want to be called and make sure that you dont forget that
everyone is an individual. How would you like it if noone gave a fuck if
they offended you or not. Dont say you dont care cuz thats bullshit. You dont
know what its like. People are affected by sterotypes and negative connotations
both directly and indirectly everyday. And indifferent people like you just
contribute to much of the miscommunication we have in american society today.
Before you can work with someone you have to have an understanding of how
they want to be treated and also how to deal with people with different
levels of tolerance and so on. Dont be so close minded. 
(Btw i like SF2 also, but i cant stand people who have these prejudices on
bieng PC.)

>-- 
>Brian T Odom
>
>"We are all manufacturers -- some make good, others make trouble, and still
>others make excuses."
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