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From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: LWP/Mac wont use Name Server!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:52:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Here's the deal:  on the only MAC at our site (a fact I hope to remedy) I've
installed LWP/Mac.  I can use host presenter's FTP and TELNET as long as I
use the IP, but FQDN's don't work (it comes back with "Host not known").  I've
set up the IP for our Name Server in the Network Control Panel, and I've also
set up the Netmask, etc.  Note that all our PC's work fine - there isn't a 
problem with the name server.  It is definately on the MAC.  Could it be that
I'm using ETHERNET_802.3?  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger)
Subject: Re: Home work test
Reply-To: dje@mail.bellcore.com (Don Eilenberger)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:48:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.100233.62490@cc.usu.edu>, slwjf@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> Hi! 
|> Sorry this is a homework assignment by DR. Doupnik. 
|> I am really regretful for the bothering.
|> I will leave now!


Could we please have DR. Doupnik's (is that pronounced
Dope-nik?) email address?

I think's he needs a little mail!

Don Eilenberger
From: tigger@cse.ucsc.edu (David Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: TCP/IP routing via the DL-2000 possible?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan7.185400.6488@novell.com> cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch) writes:
>
>ce591@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Allan Green) wrote:
>
>Allan> Thanks to Chris Ranch for his comments regarding IP routing
>Allan> via the DL-2000 card, disappointing though they were!
>
>	De nada!
>
>Allan> Given that I need a MAC-IP router, what are my options?  Does
>Allan> anyone out there use a Localtalk network with an IP router?
>Allan> Naiively, I might imagine that the following are possibilities:
>Allan>
>Allan>1) a box which plugs into the ethernet and localtalk networks
>Allan>   and does the business...
>
stuff deleted...

I've been using PCRoute as a localtalk to ethernet IP router for several
years.  PCRoute runs on a minimally configured PC with various network
cards.  It was written at Northwestern U. as public domain software but
it has gone commercial in the recent version.  However, it's still free
for universities.  It's available for ftp from:  ftp.acns.nwu.edu

My present PCRouter configuration is:
8MHz XT, 640k, one 360k floppy, no monitor
one WD8003 ethernet card for the Novell PC/Mac thinnet
one WD8003 ethernet card for the TCP/IP thicknet
one WD? starlan card
one Apple PC card for the localtalk net

It has run fine for 3 years with only two problems.  One, it doesn't
like TFTP packets.  Two, MacTCP BOOTP packets are a problem because
Apple decided to set the hop count to 3 (go figure), so I modified the
PCRoute source to forward a higher count (easy).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: "User firms plagued by LAN money pits"
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:31:30 GMT

In article <199301080809.AA14075@tuna.wang.com> IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:
>The January 4 issue of the leading Network World newspaper has
>a well-written, detailed story entitled "User firms plagued by LAN
>money pits."  The subtitle reads "Forrester study finds cost of
>local net support eating up corporate cash but offers tips for
>relief."  The article has a graph of annual charges for different
>kinds of support on a 5,000-user network.

This would be a lot more useful if it reviewed a 500 or 1000 user 
network; I doubt that there's more than a couple hundred LANs with
5000+ users on them. Those would be Fortune 100 companies and
universities, most likely. The F100 companies can (and most have)
figure out how to support a network efficiently (after all, these 
are the support organizations which have been getting cut over the
last few years) within their infrastructure, and the universities
enslave students to do most of their work (boy, if that isn't
flamebait... :-) ). It's the medium-sized networks, say 100 to 2,000
users, that are the most disorganized--big enough to justify one
or two people full-time, but too small to justify the expense of
experienced, trained people.

-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma
radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn't notice...
From: gwalsh@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gerald J. Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: FILER says NO!  DOS says YES! (re: rights)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:44:03 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov


Hi...

I have created a directory and wish to restrict access to certain
users.  Seems easy enough!  The directory path is:

	DATA:\APPS\RBFILES

With FILER, I have removed all but "S" from the IRM for the RBFILES
directory.  Also, with FILER, I have added a user to the trustee list.
From what I can tell, with the IRM esentially "blank", no one but the
trustee I have added should be able to get into this directory.

Now....  I login with my regular user account (not a supervisor equivalent
and only a member of EVERYONE) and type:

	CD \APPS\RBFILES
	DIR

and I can see all the files in this directory (which, by the way, are
owned by the SUPERVISOR).  Obviously what I thought would work has not!
Only that trustee user I specified in FILER should be able to do what
I just did!

HERE COMES THE WEIRD PART!

While I am still in \APPS\RBFILES, I run FILER and select the "Directory
Contents" option.  FILER says:

	"You have no search rights for this directory.  You
	 will only be able to view subdirectories, not files."

So I hit ESCAPE to continue and sure enough, I can't see any of the
files in the directory!  This is the way I wanted DOS to work!  In
fact, when I am in \APPS\RBFILES in DOS and type RIGHTS, it says
I have "NO RIGHTS" but still lets me view/run the files/programs!

What gives?  NetWare is not working properly!

Thanks for *ANY* help!


Gerald J. Walsh                     | Internet: gwalsh@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Jet Propulsion Laboratory           | Phone   : (818) 354-3913
RF and Microwave Subsystems Section | Fax     : (818) 354-2825
M/S 238-528                         | 
4800 Oak Grove Drive                | 
Pasadena, CA  91109                 | 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: pat@mousetrap.canton.mi.us (Patrick Kehoe)
Subject: Re: LWP and FTP to SGI Indigo problem
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:48:21 GMT
Organization: Mousetrap/Vivid

In article <C0o3ry.50J@mousetrap.canton.mi.us> pat@mousetrap.canton.mi.us writes
>
>I just got done installing LAN WorkPlace for DOS ver 4.1 for a client.
>They wanted the program to communicate to their SGI indigo, basically
>to FTP to it.  After configuring the dos side, and making sure that
>we had a user on the SGI, I pinged it, and every this was hunky-dory.
>Ok, great, then I try to ftp, and I enter the user name, and then
>it just hangs.  
>
>Ok, I run lwpcon, and everything looks great!  FTP services are active,
>everything is ok.  So I try to ftp to a sun, and a rs6000.  Everything
>works great.  Ok, now I figure that the SGI is just wacked out and
>can't ftp.  So I try to ftp from the sun, and it works.  Now I am
>really confused.  Please help me resolve this problem before my 
>brain shrivels in to a little pit.
>
>SGI information:  os version 4.0sf, running a r3000 processor.  The 
>version of the ftp program is 2.1, and it was stored in the /usr/bsd
>directory.
>

After calling 1-800-net-ware and spending the $20 per incident, I got
tech support to verify that this is a problem with lwp 4.1 and SGI
workstations.  They have not been able to tell me what or provide a
work around, so any additional information would be most helpful.

Pat

-- 
Patrick Kehoe                               Vivid Visions, Inc.
pat@mousetrap.canton.mi.us                  9282 General Drive Suite 130
(Stupid quote coming soon...)               Plymouth, MI  48170
From: Steve.Roy@f916.n153.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Server backup (3.11)
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 06 Jan 93 22:44:14

Hello All!

How good is the sbackup.nlm?  On a recent install we put a scsi tape in the
file server and are using the sbackup utility in the 3.11 package. Is this a
reliable backup as compared to other commercial packages? 

Cheers
           Steve

--- timEd/B6
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Tape backup crashes 3.11 server
Keywords: Maynard,Crash
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 18:51:59 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

I've got a really frustrating problem.  The setup is as follows:

  Maynard DAT backup with SCSI I/F in a 386 PC. 10BaseT NIC,
  set for non-dma.  verifed that there are no interrupt/address/etc
  conflicts.

  ALR Powerflex 486 Server, 16 mb mem, 1.3gb Maxtor panther, about
  50% full

The first time is run the maynard software to do a backup, the server
crashes at some point.  Not always on the same file.  The console displays
the abend screen with stack dumps.  two abends are shown, both for the
same process. one error is 0030000, the other 019000.

The workstation displays a  'Error on device NETWORK...' aborting from
the error restores the workstation, except for the network attachment
of course.

shutting off the server power, and restarting the server, brings it back
ok.  After the server is up again, if I then start a backup, it will run
thru completion normally. 

The scenario is ALWAYS the same.  does'nt seem to matter how many people
are on the network, 0, 1, or twenty, etc.  Crashes when first started,
runs great after the server is re-booted.

I would really like to get this working, as you can imagine.  Maynard T.S
dept is no help. ie clueless!

Anything I'm overlooking ? parameters for .NCF ?  All help appreciated.
Either post to list or email direct & I'll summarize

TIA


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: riddler@seas.gwu.edu (Sageev George)
Subject: Help with Lanalyzer for Windows and 3Com 503 card!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:29:23 GMT


I am trying to use the Novell Lanalyzer for Windows with a 3Com 503 card but
without success.  I think I have the ODI drivers set up correctly, but when
I run the DI program, I get "No supported drivers found" error.
 
My 3c503 is set for int 6, io addr 330, int level 60.  My NET.CFG looks 
like this:

---net.cfg---
Link Support
	Buffers 8 1500
	MemPool 4096
	Max Stacks 8
 
Link Driver 3C503
	INT  #1 3
	MEM  #1 d8000
	PORT #1 330
        PORT #2 730  ; Not sure what port 2 is for
	Frame Ethernet_II
	Frame Ethernet_802.3
	Frame Ethernet_SNAP
	Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II
	Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3
---end net.cfg---
 
Here's what I get (I took out copyright notices to make it shorter):
---begin output capture---
C:\NETWARE\ODI>lsl
NetWare Link Support Layer  v2.00 (920904)
 
Max Boards 4, Max Stacks 8
Buffers 8, Buffer size 1500 bytes, Memory pool 4096 bytes
 
C:\NETWARE\ODI>3c503
3Com 3C503 EtherLink II MLID  v1.22 (910614)
 
Connector is BNC/TP (Thin).  
Int 3, Port 330, Port 730, Mem D8000, Node Address 2608C1B658E
Max Frame 1514 bytes, Line Speed 10 Mbps
Board 1, Frame ETHERNET_II
Board 2, Frame ETHERNET_802.3
Board 3, Frame ETHERNET_SNAP
 
C:\NETWARE\ODI>ipxodi
NetWare IPX/SPX Protocol  v2.00 (920904) 
Bound to logical board 1 (3C503) : Protocol ID 8137
 
C:\NETWARE\ODI>netx
 
NetWare Workstation Shell  v3.31 (921112) 
 
Attached to server ARC386
01-07-93    2:11:05 pm
 
C:\NETWARE\ODI>apple
Novell AppleTalk Phase 1 & 2 Support TSR V1.00 (920528)
 
AppleTalk Phase 1 Bound to Board 1      AppleTalk Phase 2 Bound to Board 3
Arbitrating for Node Id's ..................
Phase 1 Network =     0                 Phase 2 Network = 65280
Phase 1 Node    =     1                 Phase 2 Node    =     1
Phase 1 Zone    = *                     Phase 2 Zone    = *
 
C:\NETWARE\ODI>di
LANalyzer for NetWare Driver Interface TSR, v1.00 (920527)
 
FATAL: No supported drivers found.
 
--end output---
 
I'm pretty sure the ODI stuff is correct, as I can get to the server fine,
just can't run DI, and thus the Lanalyzer.
 
The readme suggests the error message means I may be using an incorrect
version but I don't think this is so.  Can someone please tell me what
I am doing wrong.  Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: lb00197@Corlac (David Porco)
Subject: Re: NEED TOPOLOGY INFO
Organization: Lockheed
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:04:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.215724.2240@news.acns.nwu.edu> birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush) writes:

>       I realize that this request does not directly relate to this
>newsgroup; however, I have been unable to find a more suitable one.

>       Essentially, I need information regarding Token Ring LANs for a report
>I am preparing, specifically on the following points:

Any Data Communications book written in the last 5 years would give you
all the info you need. 

>       Is Token Ring, as the name suggests, a ring topology?  A general
>       handbook I read implied this, but later claimed it was a star
>       topology.

Yes, and No.  Token Ring is a Token-Passing protocol that is a conceptual
ring.  But if you were to set it up Physically that way (topology) you 
would have a single-point-of-failure problem... IE: If one of your nodes
in the ring went kablewey, you would loose your whole net (a break in
the ring).  So, for fault tolerance the topology is designed as a 
Star/Ring.  This is also true of Ethernet.  Even though the original 
Ethernet was a Bus topology, some smart folks though of creating a 
fault tolerant Star topology (sometimes using regular twisted pair)
IE: 10BaseT.  

>       What is the preferred network OS for Token Ring?

Token ring operates at the Physical Layer of the OSI model and is thus
independant of any OSI compliant OS.  Netware, for example can run on
Token Ring, Ethernet or ARCnet.  

>       Can UNIX PCs and Suns be connected on a Token Ring Network?

Can't help you here.  

>       Is it possible to run NetWare 3.11 or Microsoft LAN Manager on a Token
>       Ring?

Netware, Definately.  LAN Manager, I would guess yes.  My experience is 
only with Netware.

>       Is it possible to establish a link or router between a Token Ring LAN
>       and an Ethernet/Netware LAN?

Since Routers operate at the Network layer of the OSI model, OSI compliant
routers should be oblivious to the topology.

>       Please excuse the marginal relevance.  Also please reply by email to 
>the address below.  Thank you.

I chose to post this because it could have relevance to a lot of Novell
Administrators.  Netters... Feel free to correct anything I may have 
gotten wrong.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP routing via the DL-2000 possible?
Reply-To: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:17:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185400.6488@novell.com>, cranch@novell.com
 (Christopher Ranch) wrote:
>>Cisco makes a router box that has even more bells and whistles 
>>than the FastPath and may support the functionality you seek.
>cisco's 9.x release supports MacIP.

Unfortuntely Cisco doesn't support the LocalTalk media on their
routers, so one can't exactly use a Cisco to do what a FastPath
normally does.  i.e. Connect a LocalTalk network to a Ethernet
network.

...Sam
-- 
<skl@wimsey.bc.ca> -- Connectivity Technology Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: schansen@amc.com (Scott Hansen)
Subject: re:  UnixWare
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:24:05 GMT

>>Unfortunately this isn't true.  There are no on-line manpages, for
>>example, and I'm not even sure that you can get printed manpages.  I
>>didn't examine UnixWare much further to discover what else was
>>missing; for the purposes for which we were evaluating UnixWare, that
>>was enough to kill it.
>
>Sorry, you should have looked a little closer before scrapping it.  I'm 
>running UnixWare A.S. *WITH* man pages.  Again, UnixWare *is* a full 
>featured Unix.  

UnixWare is not just another Unix derivative, by Novell.  It *IS* USL's
Destiny with Novell's IPX/SPX and related NetWare utilities bolted
on...

-Scott
-- 
==============================================================================
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Applied Microsystems Corporation          BBS.....:  (206) 226-6550    
Redmond, Washington  98073                Voice...:  (206) 882-5322
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: crusoe@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Andre' Zehl)
Subject: Novell 3.11 security pitfalls?
Keywords: security
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:16:41 GMT

I'm writing a paper on Novell system administration. I'm still lacking some 
ideas which are the most common _security_ pitfalls with Novell 3.11. 

Please let me know of your experiences or odd stories with Novell
administration. In case of interest, I'll summarize responses. 

Many thanks in advance!
--
Andre'_________________________________________________________________________
							 crusoe@cs.tu-berlin.de
From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: PINSTALL.NLM for NW4MAC 3.011
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:28:39 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1993Jan7.201836.2597@hubcap.clemson.edu> dewitt@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>I am running NW 3.11 and trying to upgrade NW4MAC 3.0 to version 3.011.
>
>I am having problems loading the PINSTALL.NLM.  After typing LOAD PINSTALL
>at the console prompt, NW autoloads Btrieve (V5.15).  The loading of the 
>BTRIEVE.NLM craps out with the error:
>
>	"Loader cannot find public symbol: InstallNLMScreenData"
>	 Load file referenced undefine public variable
>	 Module PINSTALL.NLM NOT loaded
>
>
Hi,

Why are you manually LOADing PINSTALL.NLM?  This *.NLM is called automatically
for you when you use INSTALL.NLM to update the AppleTalk *.NLMs.  If you have
tried this already and your server does not allow you to complete the de-instal-
lation of 3.0 NW4MAC and the installation of 3.011 NW4MAC, you may be using
an old version of BTRIEVE.NLM.  Be sure the BTRIEVE.NLM is dated 2-19-91.  This
should be the version that was shipped with NetWare v3.11.  If you have upgraded
your OS from something like NetWare 3.1, but skipped the disk that had the newer
BTRIEVE.NLM, you would see a symptom similar to this.

Let me know if this information does not solve the problem and I we will try 
something else.

Think Peace...

Dan Seeman
Novell
Walnut Creek, Ca.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: mcc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Merton Campbell Crockett)
Subject: Use of COM1 for Serial Printer
Keywords: NetWare 3.11, PSERVER.NLM, PS Printers
Organization: GTE Government Systems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 05:16:10 GMT

Again I have been asked to resolve a NetWare Server problem.  This time it
concerns using COM1 to provide a serial link to a Tek Phaser II PXi.

Any attempt to print results in the printer being declared offline.  After
clearing the offline condition and restarting the print queue, the PCONSOLE
routine reports that the file is being printed.  After approximately 30 or
40 seconds, PCONSOLE reports that the printer is offline.

The problem appears to be related to circuit signals that are expected to
be present on the COM1 interface.  The NetWare printer manual does not identify
what circuit signals are required to be present.  The COM1 port has a DB25
connector and EIA 232 pin assignments are being used.  As the printer uses
XON/XOFF for flow control; only RX data, TX data, and Signal Ground are actually
used between the printer and the server's COM1 port.

Request to Send is jumpered to Clear to Send at the COM1 connector.  Data
Terminal Ready is jumpered to Data Set Ready and Carrier Detect.  This con-
figuration is normally sufficient under other operating systems to support
a serial printer.

There are two questions concerning this configuration.  Is NetWare expecting
some other circuit signal to be present?  (All circuits except those mention-
ed are not terminated and, therefore, will float with the state determined
by "noise" or state assumed by the software.)  Is NetWare expecting to see
state transitions?

As always, any help would be appreciated.

Merton Campbell Crockett
GTE Government Systems

Xref: sparky comp.sys.novell:11351 comp.sys.laptops:4958 comp.os.ms-windows.setup:2645
From: hirayama@sumax.seattleu.edu (Pat Hirayama)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.laptops,comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Problems with T2200SX running Windows 3.1 off Novell 386 LAN
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:12:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1it2e8INNqlc
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Greetings, NetUsers!

I am having some difficulties with one of my user setups.  The
workstation is a Toshiba T2200SX laptop computer with 6 mb of RAM
running Toshiba DOS v5.00 and connecting to a 386 v3.11 file server
via an external Xircom parallel port 10-Base-T Ethernet adapter.  They
are running Microsoft Windows 3.1 with SaberMenus 2.0 for Windows as
the shell.  The problems are that this setup is not stable:  DOS
applications (mostly WordPerfect) crash with General Protection Fault
messages, while Windows-based applications (mostly cc:Mail for Windows
1.11) crash with Application Errors.  On occasion, the shell (SMENU)
fails with an Application Error as well.  This machine is running ODI
Workstation shells, and the mouse is connected to the DB-9 serial port
since the mouse port is dead.

Here's what has been already tried:
	* dealing with MS tech support --> they said to call Toshiba.
	* dealing with Toshiba tech support.
		*  replaced EMM386.EXE and HIMEM.SYS with newer
		   ones from Toshiba: still crashes.
	* dealing with Xircom tech support
		*  replaced ODI drivers with updated ones: still crashes.
	* tried running Xircom adapter off a desktop model: no problem. 
	* tried running in standard mode: still crashes.
	* tried running with Program Manager as shell: still crashes.
	* tried running with permanent swapfile on local C: disk: ditto.
	* tried running with temporary swapfile on LAN drive: ditto.
	* tried running Toshiba without external monitor: ditto.

Anyway, I'm at wits' end.  Has anyone out there successfully gotten
the above to work?  Or something similar to it?   Please respond by
e-mail or posting.  Thank you.

					-pat



-- 
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     hirayama@seattleu.edu * phirayam@cclink.fhcrc.org * (206) 667-5256

          Picard/Riker in '96:  Leadership for the Next Generation
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