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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:15:11 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1993Jan27.002222.19545@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>                       ...                                          The
>kid, either because of panic at the possible impact, or simple his
>inability to control his speed, came apart in a tangle of limbs, snow and
>skis off to my right a few yards.     ...

>      ...           I looked up to see this guy coming and put my head and
>shoulder down to take the blow.  It didn't knock me down, but this guy
>exploded, pretty much like the kid.  

Wow, does Dave Barry know about this?  One person encountering two 
different exploding skiers?  Sounds like a trend.

And I thought we only had to watch out for exploding cows....

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: regli@gimble.cs.umd.edu (William C. Regli)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:54:21 GMT
Organization: Yoyodyne Industries
In-reply-to: rickc@scotty.TEK.COM's message of 21 Jan 93 22:50:37 GMT



On the fog thing:

The folks who make RainX---the stuff that acts like car wax for your
windshield, have something out called FogX.

I used it while skiing a couple weeks back with much success.  A small
bottle costs ~$4.  

b

--
William C. Regli                            I was talking to my friend Jean
University of Maryland, College Park, MD    Paul Sarte the other day...
Department of Computer Science                       --TV's Frank
Email: regli@cs.umd.edu   Voice: (301)-405-2717        From MST3K
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Skiing Safety
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:54:40 GMT

Hi.  I would like to bring up a subject that doesn't seem to get much discussion
around here: ski safety.  The reason I'm bringing it up is because I had a
bad experience recently.  I was skiing in New Mexico (Ski Apache - which really
had great conditions, believe it or not).  Anyway, my second (and last) ski
day was in the midst of a snow storm.  Basically, while I was trying to get
down, apparently some out of control skier ran into me, made me fall, and
giving me a head concussion which forced me to spend the night at the local
hospital.  Luckily, I have no permanent damage, but that could easily have
ended up differently.  I'm really not blaming the guy who hit me, because it
was as much my fault as his (I shouldn't have been skiing in those conditions
by myself).  But what I'm curious is what do you all (as skiers) do for safety
precautions?  I know we all have releasable bindings, protective clothing,
etc., etc., but do many people where helmets?  I'm actually thinking of
buying at least a bicycle helmet next time I go out and hitting the slopes.
It might look stupid, but my experience scared me a little.  The head is very
important (obviously), and it can easily get messed up.

I think that the main reason people don't where helmets is because it looks
stupid, or un-macho, or whatever you call it.  Probably where bicycle helmets
used to be a few years ago.  Personally, I think looking stupid is a lot
better than ending up somehow crippled for life.  What do you all think?
Or is it that I'm just a little worried because this happened to me recently,
and I'll probably forget it in a couple of weeks?  Later...

-Bob

Xref: sparky rec.skiing:10178 rec.skate:4057
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:07:54 CST
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.skate
Subject: Re: Fischer Revolution Micro Skis (skating)

In article <1993Jan25.234231.16445@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
lee@nihon.ucs.ualberta.ca (Lee Cameron) says:
>
>   Has anyone tried Fischer's new skating ski that only comes in 147cm length?

I played with them at Eagle River Nordic's trails in Wisconsin a couple of
weeks ago.  Conditions were beautiful for skating (IMHO) -- firm but fresh,
not at all icy. They were very easy to skate with, which I gather is the whole
point.  Supposedly, they're to be an Introduction to Skating ski.  They
were reasonaby fast on the flats and downhills.  Most of the uphills I used
them on were herringbone steepness (for which they were fine) so I can't say
much there, except that they were fine during the little bit of diagonal-V and
uphill V1 I did do.  They were not as fast as my Fischer Top Skates (which are
a relatively heavy, older model ski) but I didn't time any loops.  They
*seem* faster that they are, I think, because they are not as
stable as longer skis -- they are relatively squirlie.
I presume that this is becused of the drastically reduced edge length.
They are supposed to fit anyone, and four of us (two between 110 and 120 lbs,
one at about 180 lbs or more, and me at 165 lbs) had no trouble with them.
As mentioned, they're aimed at the introductory market and I think that priced
at less than $200 that is reasonable.  They'd also be good for a growing
junior skier [who didn't want to race in them -- or if so who is *real*
short 8-) ].  My brother-in-law, who has been striding for >20 years and
is a veteren of quite a few Birkies, wanted to try my skating skis after
using the Revolutions and is talking about getting himself skating or
combi skis now, so I guess that they were a hit with him.
     If you're interested, I've been striding for a long time but just
started skating at the end of last season.  I have, however, been skating a lot
this season and have gotten reasonably proficient (enough that I'm flirting
with the idea of skating the Birkie this year).

  -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU        Univ. of Ill. @ Chicago
_____________________________________________________________________________
The world's oldest ... ski race, the Vasaloppet, annually attracts about 9000
Sweeds and about 1500 foreigners....  In completing the 85-km course, the
average racer loses four to five pounds ... equivalent to having 280 racers
disappear completely during the course of the event.
                         -- J. Caldwell & M. Brady (1982) _Citizen Racing_
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sg@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Scott Genzer)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Keywords: Help me!
Reply-To: sg@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Scott Genzer)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:45:06 GMT

In article <%MikeW.18.0@canc.byu.edu> %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I have an astigmatism (sp?) which is, by and large, uncorrectable with 
>contact lenses.  Thus, I must wear glasses when I ski.  Likewise, wearing  
>goggles is a good idea.  Together glasses, goggles and high levels of 
>exertion result in a good deal of fog buildup on the glasses.
>
>Does anybody have any suggestions for an industrial strength anti-fog?  

I am a racer and thus wearing goggles are a necessity.  Furthermore I
cannot wear contact lenses and thus I am in the same boat.  The ONLY
thing that works for me (and believe me, I have been fogged more times
at the gate than I care to admit) is to put on your goggles BEFORE YOU
GO OUTSIDE.  Believe it or not, if I put on my goggles in the lodge,
and NEVER take them off my face, I don't get fog.  The instant I take
them off, and then put them on, fog city.  I think it's because my
glasses and my goggles need to be at the same temperature to not fog
and when I take them off, then put them back on, there is a
temperature difference between the two, and thus instant fog.  So, my
advice is stop buying all that crap that doesn't work (I've tried all
those that you mentioned too, they never work) and just put them on in
the lodge.  Oh, and I have Bolle goggles that are made for glasses
(they have a bit more space inside and slots for the arms) and they're
ok ("glasses goggles" can be quite expensive...these were the
cheapest), in case you're wondering which goggles I use.  Good luck!

Scott Genzer
sg@columbia.edu
Columbia University Ski Team



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: How much are my boots worth? Do you want them?
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:57:19 GMT

	I got a pair of Nordica 757 boots.  They are 2 years old and
have about 30 days of skiing on them.  I'm planning on getting
new boots (my feet are starting to hurt a lot -they are a little
too big for me-), and I was wondering how much they are worth.
I payed $249 for them when new. How much should I ask? What is
the percentage value loss on 30 days of skiing?

	Also if you are interested send me a line, I think they are
27.5's (I'm a 9.5-10 size in street shoes).. (These are rear entry
boots, black/purple, with 3-way flex adjustment. Good boot for
begginner/intermediate).

	Please e-mail me directly, so as to not waste bandwidth...
	
	Thanks.

_RV
(rvn@dewey.icd.teradyne.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bharriso@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Harrison)
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:32:14 GMT

Unless you take a skid school course (which most of us haven't), the first
thing you should do when you start skidding is "hide your foot".
The biggest problem with people in a skid is panic. If you hit the
brakestoo hard, you lose total control. If you hit the gas too hard,
you're going to kill someone.

If you have taken a skid school course, then there are probably many more
things to do, but for the average Joe/Jill, Hide Your Foot, and turn the
wheel LIGHTLY in the direction your back end is going. DONT PANIC !

 ..........................................................................
 . Bob Harrison (bharriso@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca)  Senior Computer Operator.
 . Computing Services, University of Waterloo                             .	
 . Waterloo Ontario Canada                                                .
 .	** 60 minutes away from the 1992 World Series Champs **           .
 ..........................................................................



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Subject: Re: Winter Park latest greatest update please!
Summary: Chutes, Berthoud Pass
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:05:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To: rec.skiing

In article <1jmtr0INN5iv@meaddata.meaddata.com> calondis@meaddata.com (David Calondis) writes:
>I know these requests are all over the net but here's mine anyway.  We
>leave Saturday via Amtrak from Indianapolis and will be on the slopes
>first thing Monday morning!  I've read this week they have about a 4-5
>foot base!  Where exactly is any extreme skiing done/had at Winter Park?
>Double black diamonds?

On the 22nd:  2-4 new in the previous 24 hours, 57-64 inch base.
From last weekend (Jan 16-17):  Conditions are generally excellent, but
bump runs still have (and will always have) some rocks.  The short, but narrow
and very steep chutes on Mary Jane's backside were open briefly on Saturday.
They get skied off quickly.  It is possible to ski bump runs without hitting
anything if you're good at suddenly modifying your line and/or you can pick
up your feet quickly.  I did no damage.  Coverage in the trees is good, with
the exception of the occasional rock or stump.

For true extreme skiing, catch a ride up to Berthoud Pass.  Steep chutes and
trees 'til you can't stand up.   Oh, and avalanches.  And artillery to set
them off.  But they're usually done by 8 a.m., so you're free to go start
your own avalanches.  And people do.  Some live, some don't, some sleep in
the mountains for a long time.  But the skiing up at Berthoud is magnificent.

It's been extremely windy for 36 hours now.  This will increase avalanche
danger and may affect coverage in some areas of WP.  Parsenn will be worthless.

              John Cooley


Newsgroups: rec.skiing,can.general,ont.general,ont.events,ott.general,ott.events
From: momtahan@bnr.ca (Parham Momtahan)
Subject: CANADIAN SKI MARATHON (Entry Deadline)
Keywords: ski, fun
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:50:05 GMT

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: traiger@cheshire.oxy.edu (Saul Traiger)
Subject: Re: Mt. Baldy 1/19
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: la
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:31:57 GMT

In article <1jknrdINNhnk@mizar.usc.edu> lapworth@mizar.usc.edu (Bill Lapworth) writes:
>Mt Baldy 1-19-93
>Base: Adequate  (The snow cat on top of Thunder Mt. is buried up to
>   mid windshield)
>New stuff: 6" of semi dry "powder"
>Snow line: below the village.
>Ski down to parking lot?: yes, but there is a raging brook coming down
>   the mountain that must be walked across if you end up on the
>   wrong side.
>Crowds: 2 min lift line maximum, usually < 30 sec.
>
>HI(lo)lights: 1) Finally, some soft snow to see how my pre 1200s work in
>conditions they were designed for!  ahwoooooo!!!
>2) Road was icy below village, snow & ice higher up.  I saw a Honda
>CRX (with chains!) spin going 20 mph on a straight - on a road that
>some Front wheel drive cars made up without chains.  Sheesh - some people
>really need driving lessons.
>3)snowboarders can be so much fun sometimes.  Saw two guys in tight
>formation at high speed climb up a steep bank at edge of run, do a
>'jump-pivot-lets_smash_agains_this_big_ball_of_snow_and_then_rebound turn'
>Only the big ball of snow was a snow covered rock.  They both slid back
>down to the run and groaned loud enough to be heard 100 feet away.
>

Update: I skiied Baldy on Friday (1/22) and the snow was holding up
beautifully,  in spite of the fact that the temp at the top was above
freezing most of the day. All runs (and chairs) were open, and it was
fantastic "spring" skiing. It wasn't crowded, but it wasn't empty
either. The wait on the Thunder Mountain lift averaged about 10
minutes through the middle of the day.

Saul Traiger
traiger@oxy.edu
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 15:31:32 GMT, %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda) said:

mw> tooth-paste: Somewhere I heard that this works as a fog inhibitor, but I 
mw>              haven't tried it yet.

I wouldn't try that.  Toothpaste is abrasive.  Probably do a great job of
scratching the heck out of your expensive Bolles!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Ski to live, live to ski                                           ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Re: handicapped facilities
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:38:59 GMT


The Breckenridge Outdoor Education Center in Breckenridge, CO also
deserves mention.  Breckenridge annually hosts the Ski Spectacular
in mid-December.  This year, over 600 disabled skiers registered
for the week-long event.

BOEC has a staff of about a half-dozen paid staff, 9 full-time interns,
and several dozen volunteers.  They offer substantially discounted 
full-day private instruction - about $65/day.
						-kurtray

In article <33470027@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> cch@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Cyrus Hay) writes:
>
>Richard Poole writes:
>
>>I am looking for ski resorts that specialize in handicapped persons,
>>particularly with balance problems.
>
>Winter Park, CO and Alpine Meadows, (Lake Tahoe) CA both have top-
>notch handicapped programs and facilities.  I'm very impressed by
>the commitment to handicapped skiing I've seen at both areas.
>
>                               -Cy
>


-- 

Kurt J. Raymond     Engineering Services  The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7427        Sr.  Account Manager  email: kurtray@sco.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Snow Retention Factor
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:00:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.221703.4144@ists.ists.ca>
bsugars@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Benjamin Sugars) writes:
>BTW, what would be the SRF for western resorts?

Terrible, simply terrible.
Better to stick to local resorts.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: kasha@twolf12.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snow Retention Factor
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:58:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Washington CAD
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ee.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: twolf12.ee.washington.edu


|> What does this mean?  The article says it refers to the "amount (of
|> snow) remaining after a snowfall", but I find it hard to believe that
|> 96% of the snow that falls on Vermont melts the same day.
|> 
|> BTW, what would be the SRF for western resorts?
|> 
|> Later,
|> -Ben.

It doesn't melt.  Just first the wind blows 75% of it away, then the rain
and freezing rain at the end of the storm gets another 10% and then the
million skiers skiing it the next day get sideslip the other 12%.  (just
kidding).  But these are significant factors in Vermont that do mean that
the snow does not hold up long.

BUt beware of non statistics as the SRF
From: serich00@nx35.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowshoe, w.v.
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <C1445H.LqK@uceng.uc.edu> chill@uceng.uc.edu (Charles Hill)  
writes:
> I gave up on Snowshoe about five years ago.  If you like 1 hour klift  
lines
> and slopes that are overcrowded with idiots, ski patrol assholes, and  
ice.

I was there a couple of weeks ago .. and at most waited 5 mins in a lift  
line to get to the top.   The snow was great, and for east-coast/mid  
atlantic skiing, it was well worth the trip.  Of course skiing out West is  
always much better, but for it's location snowshoe is great.

> decent if you can keep away from the ski patrol, who seem to think that  
skiing
> the fall line qualifies as out of control.  Don't even consider getting  
air.
> (unless you want jail time).

??? ... Never had any such problems, and jumped a great deal.

Maybe things have changed in the 5 years since you've been there.

Steve
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Pre XM6 skis
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:34:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have any experience with these skis. I have a
chc to purchase these with Geze bindings for $300.

Regards
Sandy


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com ()
Subject: Re: Summit County Ski Pass
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:15:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.172922.7110@colorado.edu>, oliker@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Leonid Oliker) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> Does anyone out there know of any summit county ski passes for sale? They're
|> sold out, so if anyone knows anyone trying to get rid of one, could you 
|> let me know ASAP.
|> 

They;re non-transferrable, so i think your outa luck.

jim t