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From:         Sysse Engberg <sysse@ANNE.IHI.KU.DK>
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>
> I think Zentropa is Europa and Europa Europa is a different film.

You're right. Zentropa is of course the name of the railway company
in EUROPA. Thanks!

>
> Steve
>

Sysse
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Subject:      PPS to Reversal

M.B.McD.,
   Ron Silver??  Greatness???  Only if you haven't seen the
travesty he perpetrated in _Blue Steel_.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:40:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medieval films

Well, & then there've been several versions of *The Hunchback of Notre
Dame*~~~~~and what was that fairly silly film that came out recently about
Abelard and Heloise?

Michael McDonald
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:56:00 EST
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Subject:      RE: Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: RE: Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

> David Leisure (was it Honda?) on to Empty Nest

It was Isuzu, if I remember right.

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:30:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: An old film, and also Kafka

Ray Hoy:
>I almost watched this last year but I saw the 'Edited for television' sign
>and shut it off. Last night I thought about it again but opted not to see
>it once more. I would be interested in hearing what was cut. Did the cuts
>really interfere with the story? This is always annoying to me to the
>extent that I will seldom watch any movie on TV that wasn't made for tv.

I don't really know what was cut out because I saw it for the first
time. But on several occasions (which I can't number here) I noticed
some soundtrack inconsistencies--sometimes very subtle, but sometimes
so obnoxious that I don't know what the heck the TV editors thought
when they did it. Do they think we're ALL stupid? Do they think at ALL?

I'll stop here, because this editing crap really p*ss*s me off. I think
I said that already.

There weren't any really obvious continuity errors, I thought. But I'm
not sure.

Christian.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:14:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PPS to Reversal

I'd be interested to know what Jim Thompson thought of Ron Silver's
performance in Enemies - A Love Story.  I thought his depiction of a man
harried and harrassed by his own deceits and devices was excellant.

Too often, either because of the script or the actor, the type of character
in Enemies... comes off as being unfocused or distracted.

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:24:00 PST
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Subject:      Ron Silver

Sorry, David, I haven't seen ENEMIES.  But I did recently see
a wonderful film that I can't resist plugging:  I KNOW WHERE
I'M GOING, made in 1947 by Powell and Pressburger, with Wendy
Hiller and Roger Livesey.  Now available in VHS for $59.99 from
various outlets, but also rentable from Facets, Home Film Festival,
etc. (info. on which will appear in a few days).
Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:54:00 EST
From:         Navin Ganeshan <NGANESHA@UDCVAX.BITNET>
Subject: RE: TV show cancellations & Herman's head

>From:         "WEAVER, KYLE" <KRW@PSULIAS.BITNET>

>Has anyone heard that "Brooklyn Bridge" is in danger of being cancelled?
>TV GUIDE is conducting an S.O.S. vote (see April 11-17, pp.8-15) to save
>the show and four others they consider worthy--"Civil Wars," "I'll Fly Away
>," "Herman's Head," and "Homefront."  To cast your vote for any of the
>shows call 1-900-976-0220 (the rate is 75 cents per minute). FAX number is
>(212)819-3738.  TV GUIDE says, "the networks have promised special
>consideration to this S.O.S. vote."
>
>I think "Brooklyn Bridge" and "Civil Wars" are worth saving for a few more
>seasons.  The other three are of arguable value, particularly "Herman's
>Head," which is a great concept but needs a better head.
>
>Kyle

    *choke*   *gag*  <spit-spraying hot coffee all over keyboard>

    HERMAN'S HEAD ????    WORTHY ???

    *sigh* I really shouldn't get all worked up about TV...but still !!!!
    I think the Wash Post said it best when it titled a review of
    Herman's Head as "Herman's Head - Coming Up Empty".

    I'll save my $ 0.75 and retire to re-re-reruns of Cheers....
    All IMHO, naturally.
                                                          -Navin

    P.S.  I know this isn't a TV discussion, but this was way too much
          to swallow.

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:10:22 EST
From:         LIBR8506@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA
Subject:      meryl streep's oscars

Meryl Streep has been nominated numerous times but has won ONLY for KRAMER
VS> KRAMER and SOPHIE's CHOICE.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:00:03 EDT
From:         Luis Eduardo Romo <ST201714@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      _Legend_ and Med. Films

For the person who mentioned Legend, I would personally catagorize that as a fa
ntasy movie.  I haven't seen all the movies mentioned, but I think _Highlander_
 could be considered for the list even though half takes place in the present.
 On the comical side, I think _The Princess Bride_ could be added.  Another
fantsay/medieval flick could be _Willow_ (not good or bad, just there).


                               Hope it helps,

                                             Eduardo
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:07:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: raw sex

>Among the Hollywood personalities supporting American Libraries' 800
>number project are Paul Newman and Michale J. Fox.


Enough about the libraries 800 number!  Does anyone have Jerry Brown's?

Dan
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:22:43 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Ron Silver

REPLY TO 04/16/92 08:52 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": PPS to Reversal

Hmm.  I thought BLUE STEEL was a B-movie but that Ron Silver
played a great scuzzball.

Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:13:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Medieval films

This is NOT a recommendation, but any list of Medieval films should
include THE BLACK SHIELD OF FALWORTH, from 1954 with Tony Curtis
as the first knight in armor to have a Brooklyn accent.
Jim
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From:         Karrie Agostinelli <AP201092@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      woman who won oscar?

did the actress in the fisher king win best supporting actress,
and is she the same actress who played melina (arnold's babe)
in total recall?
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:55:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Ron Silver

Well, I'll take back my complaint about Ron Silver in _Blue Steel_.
He wasn't any worse than everything else about the film.  For
an interesting exercise, check the list of movie cliches in the
back of _Roger Ebert Movie Home Companion_, and count the
cliches in _Blue Steel_.  There's an expecially gratuitous
"fruit cart" at the end.
Jim T.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:04:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medfilms

O yeah, and then there's a splendid Norweigian (i think) film called
the *Pathfinder*, like *Name of the Rose* filled with the grit and
roughness of medieval life, and a wonderful adventure to boot--I
higly recommend this one, actually, but don't watch it unless you're
feeling strong . . .

MM
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Subject: Re: Civil War films
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:38:43 GMT
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To this list of Civil War movies, if it means anything, you left out "Glory."
Well...thats it for my 2.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:19:00 EST
From:         "WEAVER, KYLE" <KRW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Medieval films.

Here is a list of medieval films in no particular order:
The Seventh Seal (1957)
The Canterbury Tales (1972)
The Decameron (1970)
Becket (1964)
Siegfried (1924)
Kriemhild's Revenge (1924)
The Crusades (1935)
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
Alexander Nevsky (1938)
Robin and Marian (1976)
Attila the Hun (1954)
El Cid (1961)
Quentin Durward (1955)
Lion in Winter (1968)
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1974)
Camelot (1967)
Black Shield of Falworth (1954)
Henry V (1944, 1989)
Hamlet (1948, 1969, 1990)
Macbeth (1948, 1971)

That's all for now
Kyle
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:47:00 CST
From:         CTR0669@TAMZEUS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Sam Kinnison

Sam Kinnison did indeed die this weekend.  He was traveling to a show
in Nevada from California with his new wife in the car.  They had just
got back from their honeymoon in Hawaii.  While traveling to the show
two teenagers in a pick-up were drunk and were on the wrong side on the
road when they hit Sam's car head on. Sam was killed at the scene, but
lived long enough to say things to friends who were traveling behind them.
His wife was injured but should live, the driver of the truck was not
injured too bad, he was able to walk away, but his passenger was hurt
preaty bad and was in critical condition.

Friends on Kinnison were saddened since they say he has started to clean up
his life with his new wife.

Chris Richard
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:56:00 CST
From:         ICE9@GACVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: medieval films

the film with Connery as a green knight was "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight"
or possibly released as "sword of the valiant" Tolkein wrote a translation that
works much better.  Another movie nobody mentioned yet is "the blood of heroes"
with Rutger Hauer.  Oh! and what about Cyrano? Camelot? The Court Jester?
Ivanhoe?

p.s. the correct spelling was indeed Martin Guerre.

jim(ice9@vax1.gac.edu)
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From:         Karrie Agostinelli <AP201092@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Academy's Attitude

Why doesn't the academy like Barbara Streisand?
Personally, I don't think she sould be left
out because they don't like her.  It shouldn't
matter what they think of her personally.
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              Carter, rise again!" at Apr 16, 92 2:14 pm

>
> I'd be interested to know what Jim Thompson thought of Ron Silver's
> performance in Enemies - A Love Story.  I thought his depiction of a man
> harried and harrassed by his own deceits and devices was excellant.
>

Is that the same guy who wrote _The Grifters_ and _After Dark, My Sweet_?
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:46:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kubrick

Eduardo:
>On the subject of Mr. anti-nuclear weapons and satellites, I was wondering if a
>anyone out there knows what he is up to nowadays.  I have lost track of his
>career and am interested if he is still alive and kicking in the film industry.

Thanks for bringing Kubrick up! But I'm afraid I can't say
more than that he probably _is_ kicking, somehow, somewhere.
If he is actually working on a new film, I doubt that any
substantial info would pop up unless release would be
imminent. Was that way with Full Metal Jacket. And also,
given Kubrick's independent mind and the frequency with which
he released his last three films (we're talking 17 years here,
if I'm not mistaken), I doubt that anything _is_ imminent.
Juxtaposing the words "Kubrick" and "Film Industry" is
just that, a juxtaposition--a contradiction, as it is.

Just go and see 2001 again, but on a big screen ... :-)

Christian.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:44:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      tv

Navin, you mean that TV ain't Cinema?  Confused in Oregon,

MMcDonald
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From:         LIBR8506@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA
Subject:      CIVIL WAR MOVIES

How about THE GOOD, THE BAD and THE UGLY ? Important plot points are made with
regard to its CW setting.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:01:37 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

OK, now that we all know about Vegematic and the great "Calgon/ancient
Chinese secret" mystery has been solved, let's put commercials into
some list context.  Share your memories of film stars who were in TV
commercials before they hit it big on the silver screen.

My particular favorite is Diane Keaton in a deodorant commercial (no, I don't
remember the brand) within a year or so of her appearance in The Godfather
(1972).

Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Movies about Libraries

Don't forget _Personals_, with Stephanie Zimbalist as a meek
librarian by day, who by night answers personal ads from
philandering men, meets them in hotel rooms, then slashes
them up and leaves a rose on each body.

By the way, this film, one of the worst ever made, shares that
honor with a lot of others originally made for the USA Network;
among which "I'm Dangerous Tonight" stands out:  ancient
South American prayer cloth is made into flaming red dress
which causes each [young, bimboish] woman who wears it to
turn into demonic man-slasher.

Jim T.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:17:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Wenders

Well, Marshall, while i agree w/ you and Lynch that smalltown America
is "deeply strange," as if what part of "America" ain't?, i'm not sure i
can trust, for me own pursposes, your sense of Wenders.  so now i'm doubly
curious about Wenders' latest, because *Wings of Desire* *never* drags (well
almost never) for me, and i've seen it twice . . . i love the way that
Wenders works *against* our desire for smoothly flowing time, the way that
he works against, indeed, the demands of *cinematic* time as conventionally
understood (pace and all that) . . . so im wondering if the new one will drag
for me, since i *enjoy* the dragginess, if that's what it is, of *Wings*, and
even when Wm. Hurt drags, i find him fascinating . . . deity, he *saves*
the otherwise practically abysmal *Altered States* from utter oblivion (though
i should have believed my instincts, which led me to exit the theater before
the durn thing ended back when it came out in '80 or so, and not bothered
renting it recently . . . the damn thing is propaganda for ronnie raygun's
whore on drugs . . . flowing skeletal structures indeed!)

Gotta go,
MM
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From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Civil War films
              9 Apr 1992 09:52:00 EDT from <PGIORDANO@WILLIAMS.EDU>

As far as "Glory" goes ... one person's trash is another person's treasure.

I wouldn't put in my top ten of all time favorites, but it was a decent piece
of celuloid.

--Stephen "DDT keeps me happy" M.

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:26:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: film content

>But, on balance, in most, if not all ways, _JFK_ certainly the better
>film.

One mans opinion, but one that I, nor the academy share.

>And it _is_ rather sad that Hannibal Lector is idolised, while Jim
>Garrison is ignored.

That's cause Garrison is crazy ;-)


>Like I say, the acting was the best thing about SotL.
I would argue that it was the best thing about JFK as well.

>It is an interesting subject, no question.  But, how more interesting
>is a real life case of a high-level plot to assassinate the President
>of the US?

Fiction is fiction.

>The conclusions reached by Garrison and Stone, even if only fractionally
>correct,
I think you are being very geneous here.

>are a damn sight more frightening to me than a fictional
>cannibal.  And I'm not even a US citizen.

Does Jeffrey Dahmer not frighten you?

>I maintain that _JFK_ is oodles better than SotL.  It's basis is
>also a roller-coaster ride, but this is one ride that we're all along
>for the duration... and we can't get off.

I would have gotten off, but $6.00 kept me in my seat till I finished
my bushel of popcorn and jug of DP.

Dan
                                   *            -- Orac (Blake's 7)
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Subject:      Europa/Zentropa

Sysse Engberg,
   Yes, Zentropa is the film shown in Europe as Europa, by von Trier.
It has no relation to Europa, Europa, which is the autobiograpy
of Solomon Perel directed by Agnieszka Holland.
Jim Thompson
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From:         Sysse Engberg <sysse@ANNE.IHI.KU.DK>
Subject:      Europa

No, Tanya, EUROPA, EUROPA has not been shown here in Denmark and I haven't
as yet read about it, or had a chance to see it.
The film I mentioned is a French/German co-production (I think)
directed by the Dane Lars von Trier, who made a small scandal at
Cannes because he did not get the Golden Palms for this film.
This one is a rather kafka-esque film, also, mostly in black and
white. But maybe you already know all about it ?

Sysse in Copenhagen
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:05:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Impromptu

Michael McDonald characterized the protrayals of Liszt and Chopin as "stiff".
I don't watn to pick nits in this regard, but Chopin was presented as someone
who was shy, showed great deference to aristocrats and definitely not a
womanizer.  The audience gets several good laughs from Chopin's sense of
propriety, as he responds with alarm to Sand's advances.

With Liszt, we have the picture of a man hen-pecked by his mistress.  As a
perenially pregnant, scheming shrew, Bernadette Peters is matchless.  I
remember one scene where Liszt sits down for a 4-hand with Chopin on a new
peice by Chopin while Peter's fumes.  Priceless.


Almost any male character would pale besides the cinematic George Sands.

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:36:42 CST
From:         Vanessa Lanzarotti <REG0686A@TCUAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Vegematics

BTW - I much prefer the Bass-O-Matic to the Vegematic 8-))

Vanessa
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