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From: fuer@nessie.gud.siemens.co.at (Gerhard Fuernkranz)
Subject: [Help] Xfree86, Trident, interlace
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:27:20 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
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My configuration:

	- Xfree86-1.1 running under Linux
	- SVGA card with Trident 8900C chip, 1MB ram
	- NEC 3D monitor

The video modes 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 work fine in
non-interlaced mode. But, due to the limitations of my monitor
(max. 38kHz horizontal frequency) I use a dot clock of 45 MHz
for 1024x768, which results in a vertical frequency of below
50 HZ (I'll get woozy, when I have to look at the screen for a longer
time).

So I tried to design an interlaced video mode. I used the modegen
spreadsheet, that is available under Linux to compute the parameters.
I used a dot clock of 36 MHz, which results in a vertical frequency
of about 43 Hz (which should be 86 Hz in interlaced mode),
wrote the resulting configuration values from the spreadsheet into
the Xconfig file an put the keyword `interlace' at the end of the line.

My monitor syncs, both horizontally and vertically, but the first of
the two half-pictures appears on the top half of the screen and the
second one on the bottom, i.e. everything is drawn twice and with the
half height. There also is a horicontal gray stripe between the
two pictures, which seems to be the v-sync, that is produced by the
VGA card between the two half-pictures.
The flickering picture lets me believe, that the monitor syncs at
43 Hz (i.e. every 2nd v-sync pulse) instead of 86 Hz.
I also tried to to put `[+-][vh]sync' into the Xconfig file, but
it did not influence the behaviour.

N.B.: Interlaced 1024x768 mode works fine under DOS and with
      Linux' tvgalib.

Does anybody know, what's going on or what I have made wrong ?
Are there special timing requirements for interlaced modes ?

Thanks in advance

g.f.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: solsman@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Mark Solsman)
Subject: xauth questions... (using xdm)
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:34:55 GMT


Hello -
I have a question concerning xauth.  I am running xdm on my local machine,
and I wish to telnet to a remote machine and have it display on my local
machine.

So far, this is what I have tried:
let LOCALMACHINE and REMOTEMACHINE be defined as obvious,

logged onto LOCALMACHINE console, telnetted into REMOTEMACHINE.
on REMOTEMACHINE, I issued setenv DISPLAY LOCALMACHINE:0.0
    (which is what I used to do before xdm, exactally)
then, copied from the manual, I tried:
xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh LOCALMACHINE xauth merge -

Now, I am not sure exactally what this does, it it should work, etc...
However, is there an easy solution here?  I must state that I am not really
intrested in security here, I am intrested in ease.  I used to run xhost
but now that I use xdm I am forced to use xauth.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
-Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: 1280x1024 256(or >) colors
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:21:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.071431.26447@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dan Muntz) writes:
> Is anyone using X386/XFree86/XS3 in 1280x1024 mode with 256 or more colors?
> If so, I'd like to know what graphics card (and amount of memory) you are using.
> I posted this to a few other groups about a week ago but the only responses
> I got were from people wanting a summary of the responses.  I will
> post a summary of all relevant responses.
> 
>   -Dan
>    dmuntz@eecs.umich.edu

XFree86 doesn't support more than 1M, because none of the chipsets we support
can address more than 1M.

X386 1.3, from SGCS (see the recently posted FAQ for contact info) supports
1280x1024x256 on a couple of highend boards (using Western Digital chipsets,
I believe).  This is a commercial product.

I can't answer for XS3 (Amancio?), except to say that the S3 911 and 924
chipsets can only address 1M.  I'm pretty sure the 801/805 chips can do
more, and I'm certain that the upcoming 928 chipset can.

If people can provide technical specs (i.e. register definitions), and
a testing environment, we can look into support higher resolutions.  Send
email to xfree86@physics.su.oz.au if you are interested in working on this.

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 other people, and hope to fall in love."  -- Mallory Keaton

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland)
Subject: XView 3.0 port to SVR32 (ISC 3.0.1)
Summary: Port of XView 3.0 for ISC 3.0.1
Organization: Small System Specialists
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:22:09 GMT

Hi!

Title basically says it all. Anyone know of one? 
Suggestions for a good FAQ will be also accepted.

Thanks!

David Holland
davidh@towers.rn.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: What Intel U*ix OS is this group aimed at?
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:46:16 GMT

In article <LIBOVE.92Dec14170609@libove.alf.dec.com> libove@libove.alf.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove) writes:
>What Intel (80386, i486, etc) U*ix-based Operating System is
>this newsgroup aimed at?
>
>The two postings I've seen so far are for Linux only, which
>is not necessarily transmittable to general i386 (and other
>Intel-based) U*ix'es at all.
>
>If this is only for Linux, please change the group name
>appropriately.

As the name implies, the group is for all Intel based U*ix-like OS's
that run X-windows, including XFree86.  This is what the RFD and CFV
said and I'll believe them.

The idea is that people with questions and problems with X have much
in common no matter what specific OS they are running.  It should also
help thin out the traffic in comp.os.linux and comp.unix.bsd.

This is a *good thing*. :)

In addition, those interested in discussion of enhancements and general
directions for XFree86 could use a group to talk, I suspect.

jem.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: X11
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:38:31 GMT

Wise Men of the Net ! Where can layman get software to run X11 windows 
on i386, including Unix ? (Available PC is connected to network not by 
modem) Is there any FTP sites around ?

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Motif for X386?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:15:32 GMT

In article <glasgow.724417214@techunix.technion.ac.il> glasgow@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jason R. Glasgow) writes:
> We are currently running XFree386 under mach and we want to develop
> X11 applications. Does anyone have any information about using Motif
> widgets on XFree386?
> 
> Where can we get the libraries and the include files? Are they public
> domain or do we have to buy them somewhere?
> 
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> -- 
> +----------------+----------------------------------------------------------+
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> |                | internet: glasgow@techunix.techion.ac.il                 |
> +----------------+----------------------------------------------------------+

Motif is (unfortunately :->) a commercial product of the Open Software
Foundation (OSF).  Hence there is not (nor is there ever likely to be) a
free version available.  You have a couple of options, though:

	1) Buy the Motif source from OSF (not cheap)
	2) If your OS vendor has a Motif development package, buy it
	   (for example, I use Microport's SVR4, and use the supplied
	   headers/libraries for Motif with the rest of XFree86).
	3) Purchase a commercial Motif package (e.g. SGCS and MetroLink
	   have SVR3 and SVR4 Motif packages).

For free OS's (Linux & 386BSD), I don't know how you're going to get
Motif, unless someone (or group) pays OSF for the license and provides
the package under OSF's terms.

This probably belongs in the FAQ list.

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 other people, and hope to fall in love."  -- Mallory Keaton
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.unix.bsd
From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)
Subject: Re: [386BSD] Xfree86, XS3 Mouse configuration
	<1992Dec17.175453.29962@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec18.051723.26180@netcom.com>
Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:35:20 GMT

>I am the author of XS3. Please send me your Xconfig and relax because
>we fixed this bug for XFree86 and ported XFree86 to 386bsd.

Sorry, but I cannot stand this way your talking about this stuff
anymore. You always tell people you did EVERYTHING about the XS3
server. This is one of the greatest lies I ever heard ! Your S3 stuff
is COMPLETLY based up the 8514/A server Kevin Martin did. The S3 chips
are with the exception of ONE registers in the graphics engine
IDETICAL to the 8514/A (at least with respect of what the 8514/A
server actually uses). Hence all of the drawing code is from somebody
else, whome you generally forget to name. Also the setup code putting
the S3 into graphics mode is stolen for the X386 1.2 / Xfree server
(which then again IS stock X11R5) where this code is for SVGAs.

Hence please stop people make believe that you really did everything
from scratch. I don't want to put you down, but make it clear for the
people how things really took place (and in fact it took me only about
ONE day to get a S3 server from a 8514/A server in our commercial
stuff; just to bias people a little bit). If you want to do PD stuff,
please give credit to the people who deserve it. And that's Kevin
Martin, and not really you.

- Thomas
 
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From: buckel@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (bernhard buckel)
Subject: Installing X on a non-Multisync
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:52:23 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux ]
[ Author was bernhard buckel ]
[ Posted on Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:44:16 GMT ]


After several nights i finally decided to ask the netpeople for help. My 
configuration is a 486DX,105MB HD,8MB RAM, paradise card(512k) and -
a regular fixed-frequency-monitor, capable of 640x480, 800x600 and in
interlaced mode 1024x768. Trying to start X in any mode worked, but the 
feedback was rather poor... my screen went completely out of sync. After
gambling with clock.exe, timings.exe and the res script from the X386 kit
i am wondering whwther any helping soul out there is willing to mail me his/
her Xconfig for a non-multisync-monitor. The first mails reaching me will be
awarded by several cans of virtual beer!

Thanx in progress,
				Bernhard

P.s.:
Monitor specs are
640 x 480 at 60 Hz, horiz. freq. 31.5kHz
800 x 600 at 56 Hz, horiz. freq. 35.2kHz
1024x 768 at 87?Hz, horiz. freq. 35.5kHz

Please help, i`m just a poor compsci student and cant afford a multisync! 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Subject: X386 on Hercules and X386 bugs and suggestions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:22:59 GMT


Almost everyone has a monochorme Hercules board laying around somewhere.
They are quite obsolete offering only 720x348, but the nice thing about
them is that you can get them to work simultaneously with a VGA  board
and have two monitor heads controlled by your favorite X386 server.

So, as my classes ended last Wednesday, I decided to try out my luck and 
write an additional driver to X386 to handle Hercules boards.  And it
works! :-)  Partly...  Here are the problems and suggestions:

[I was workong with X386 version supplied with mit X11R5 release]

X386 handles VT (virtual terminal) switches quite poorly.  Things work
well if one is using only one monitor, but when using two monitors,
the routine x386VTSwitch from x386Events.c refreshes only the first
screen when entering/leaving VT, and releases only the current screen.
This might have been fixed by now, but this behaviour is undesirable
when people are using two displays.  It seems to me that all screens
would have to be released and refreshed when switching VT's.

Another problem is that EnterLeaveVT driver functions for the vga
drivers are not "reentrant", while they should be.  If the server is
running on two different boards, when releasing VT's or exiting
(abnormally or normally) it has to call EnterLeaveFunc(LEAVE) on all
of its active drivers.  If one of the drivers disables IO, the server
will crash when it attempts to call the next board's
EnterLeaveFunc(LEAVE).  I fixed it by explicitly calling
EnterLeaveFunc(ENTER) before EnterLeaveFunc(LEAVE) in the generic vga
EnterLeaveVT.


But the biggest problem is tha mfb doesn't cut it for Hercules boards.
Even though Hercules frame buffer is directly accesible, the lines are
not mapped directly.  HGA mapps lines in increments of 4, and then it
wraps back.  So my screen looks quite strange, having every line
scrambeled around by a factor of 4.  Are there any mfb (or cfb)
implementations that could be given a list of line pointers rather
than just a frame buffer pointer and do the right thing?  I don't
wanna rewrite mfb myself... :-(


Thanks for any pointers,
Davor

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: Bug in line code using XFree86 1.1 and gcc 2.3.2
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:14:28 GMT


The server will go into an infinite loop in x11perf when doing the 100
length line with 1 kid (-seg100c1). This started happenning only after I
recompiled with gcc 2.3.2 and will happen with and with NoSpeedup
selected.

For the record I am using an ET4000 board with a line width of 1152. I
have not tried a line width of 1024. Unfortunately I have dismantled my
debug environment so I can't track this down soon.

-Jim.
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From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: 1280x1024 256(or >) colors
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:54:06 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.
Originator: jon@lucrece.robots

In article <1992Dec16.182141.18756@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.071431.26447@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dan Muntz) writes:
>> Is anyone using X386/XFree86/XS3 in 1280x1024 mode with 256 or more colors?
>> If so, I'd like to know what graphics card (and amount of memory) you are using.
>> I posted this to a few other groups about a week ago but the only responses
>> I got were from people wanting a summary of the responses.  I will
>> post a summary of all relevant responses.
>
>I can't answer for XS3 (Amancio?), except to say that the S3 911 and 924
>chipsets can only address 1M.  I'm pretty sure the 801/805 chips can do
>more, and I'm certain that the upcoming 928 chipset can.


The 911 and 924 are indeed limited to 1MB of memory, XS3 also uses 256k as a
cache so the maximum screen is 1024x768 (in 256 colors). The chips do
support 16 color modes at higher resolution, but I don't know of any cfb
code for 16 colors.

The 801/805 support 2MB of ram (the Actix GraphicEngine32 comes with the
sockets to upgrade), but the support for this will have to wait till either
I or Amancio buy the extra ram :-).  I'd like to support 1052x900 on the S3
with the cache disabled, but had no luck getting the 911 to work at > 1024
widths. 

--
 Jon                    <jon@robots.ox.ac.uk>
	I'm not playing with my computer, I'm working!
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Problem with running XFree86, no screens found
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:01:36 GMT

In article <FRITZZ.92Dec15172235@ko.ldgo.columbia.edu> fritzz@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (fritz zaucker) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just tried to run the pre-compiled X386 server from the XFree86
> (from blancmange.ma.utexas.edu) on a ISC 2.02 box. Programs (I tried
> xlogo) worked fine, but the server gave me the following message (I
> ran it with 'X386 vt06':
> 
> 
> XFree86 Version 1.1 / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
> Configured drivers:
>   VGA256 (256 colour SVGA):
>       et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, ati, tvga8900
> (using VT number 6)
>  
> VGA256: pvga1 (mem: 512k numclocks: 14)
> VGA256:   clocks: 25 28 59 72 78 71 52 64 13 14 34 36 40 33
> VGA256: Too little memory for all resolutions
>  
>         *** None of the configured devices was detected.***
>  
>  
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> 
> Can anybody help?
> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> Fritz

You have modes defined under modeDB (in the Xconfig file) that require
more memory than your video card has.  With only 512k, you can only go
up to ~800x600 (it's something like 800x650).  So remove or comment out
any resolutions higher than this, and you should be OK.

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From: mark@sgcs.com (Mark W. Snitily)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: 1280x1024 256(or >) colors
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:37:31 GMT
Organization: SGCS, Cupertino

In article <1992Dec16.182141.18756@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.071431.26447@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dan Muntz) writes:
>> Is anyone using X386/XFree86/XS3 in 1280x1024 mode with 256 or more colors?
>> If so, I'd like to know what graphics card (and amount of memory) you are using.
>>   -Dan
>>    dmuntz@eecs.umich.edu
>...
>X386 1.3, from SGCS (see the recently posted FAQ for contact info) supports
>1280x1024x256 on a couple of highend boards (using Western Digital chipsets,
>I believe).  This is a commercial product.

Seven boards that handle 1280x1024x256 NI come to mind:

   Vendor        Board            Chipset
   ------------  --------------   ----------
   ATI           Ultra Pro        ATI mach32
   ATI           Ultra Plus       ATI mach32
   ELSA          WINNER (rev C)   C&T 82C480
   ELSA          WINNER (rev D)   C&T 82C481
   Nth Graphics  Engine/150       C&T 82C480
   Nth Graphics  Engine/250       C&T 82C481
   Pixelworks    WhirlWIN         C&T 82C480

(Pixelworks has, or will soon have, a board based upon the C&T 82C481 but
haven't heard what the name of it is.)

[I really hate to add the following, but due to past events on the net
I feel that it is unfortunately necessary.]

Before anyone even thinks of starting a flame war on the topic of
`commercial verses free' I'd like to remind them that the charter of
comp.windows.x.i386unix stated:

   "The newsgroup comp.windows.x.i386unix is intended for discussions about
   XFree86, the enhancement package for X11R5 on Intel-based Unix, and for
   discussions of commercial implementations of the X Window System from OS 
   vendors and third parties.  ..."

The intent of this posting was to provide information about 1280 rez cards.
That's it.  If you want info about our product, you can send email to
info@sgcs.com or to me directly.

-- Mark

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From: matt@gecko.oes.orst.edu (Matt Curfman)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Configuration Problems with XS3 server
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:08:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaia.1gj7m1INN7qc
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis OR USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ra-box.wtfd.orst.edu


I have a Orchid Fahrenheit 1280-911 board with 1 meg of video ram.

I'm trying to configure XFree86 with Amancio Hasty's XS3-0.3-exp server
and am having problems.  I get the following output:

gecko 2> X
XS3 0.3 / X Windows System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
 
S3
We are about to initialize the S3 
Unknown S3 chipset: 82
0  5f
1  4f
2  53
3  80
4  54
5  80
6  b
7  2e
8  0
9  40
a  0
b  0
c  0
d  0
e  4e
f  0
10  ea
<DELETED>
6a  0
6b  0
6c  0
6d  0
6e  0
 We are exiting S3 initialization

... at which point the server hangs, and only a reboot can recover the console.

I'm running on 386bsd 0.1 with the full patchkit installed, and with
a kernel generated with XSERVER and UCONSOLE options.  I have successfully
run the X386mono server with a PVGA card earlier, so I believe the kernel
is setup correctly.

Suggestions on things I should check on ....?

-mc
_____________________________________________________________________________
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matt@gecko.oes.orst.edu                     Oregon State University Extension

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: andy@harris.nl (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: xview3 on SVR3??
Organization: Harris Adacom b.v. (the Netherlands)
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:43:13 GMT

jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas) writes:
>Since Motif isn't free I am hoping to get xview3 running. Has anyone
>done any work in porting xview3 to SVR3 (ISC 2.2).?
>
>-Jim.

Well, a couple of months ago I was working on this on ISC 3.0 (probably not
very different from ISC2.2?).

I got the libraries to compile and also got several of the example programs
to compile and run.  Thomas Grennefors submitted xminesweeper to
comp.sources.games that uses Xview.  This game compiled and runs just fine.
Otherwise, I haven't any testing of my port, so there are surely many bugs
left to be found.

There is still some patching to be able to get olwm running, and I never
got pty's to work.  You need pty's for TERMSW and programs such as cmdtool.

The bad news is I have lost interest in this project.  I am using Motif and
Motif++ bindings these days.

If you (Thomas) would like, I can mail you the patches of what I have so far.

Best wishes,
Andy
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