From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Date: 04 Jan 93 04:25:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <8289@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.051750.5270@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>>    Jay, have you seen _any_ real numbers on this?  All I've
>>seen on this newsgroup, and I've been following the thread from
>>the beginning, is supposition and made up figures.
>
>OK...so either contribute some real numbers, or else admit that we're working
>with the best information we have.

    That "best information" is a fantasy.


>[example numbers deleted]
>The only catch is that I'm compelled to buy DOS and Windows, whether I want it
>or not, whether I'm already licensed for it or not, and whether I intend to
>run it or not.

    This keeps getting bandied about.  No matter how many times you
say it, Jay, you aren't being "compelled" to buy DOS or Windows unless
there is _no_ OEM who sells a system without them.  This is clearly
not that case, and so I conclude that you are either intentionally
distorting the facts or are woefully ignorant of them.


>>     If any application is using undocumented calls, it runs the
>>risk of not working in future releases of the OS.  No one has shown
>>a shred of evidence that Microsoft apps are somehow immune to this
>>effect.
>
>Take off your MS-colored glasses for a moment.

    Sigh.  You're a fine one to accuse someone else of bias.


>If MS uses undocumented calls, then the app developers get advance warning
>that the undocumented call they're using is going away, and they can hit the
>street the minute that the new version is out with an update that will work
>with the new version.

    Evidence, please.  Put up or shut up, Jay.


>>    There also isn't any evidence that any Microsoft application uses
>>an undocumented call to gain any significant performance advantage.
>
>If not, then why is it done?

    Beats me - why not ask all the other ISVs that are using the
same calls?


>>     Why would an OS/2 developer upgrade to MSC 7?  The product
>>doesn't support OS/2 - such an upgrade would be silly.
>
>Nevertheless, there have been people in this very forum that have said they
>did exactly that. Where are they? Out in the cold, out the several hundred
>bucks they spent on it.

     Really?  Is anyone that ignorant willing to publically admit it?
Microsoft never billed C7 as suitable for OS/2 development - why
would _anyone_ buy it for that purpose?


> Once again, MS abandons its politically incorrect
>users.

    Microsoft doesn't support the Amiga either.  I don't hear
you screaming about that.


>>     Show me foundation for them, then.
>
>The foundation is locked away in the twisty little mind of Bill Gates.

    No, Jay - the foundation is locked away in your own mind.
It's a figment of your imagination - for some reason, you think it
might be a good idea to hate Microsoft.  So you invent pseudo-facts
and "logical" justifications for your hatred.  This is pretty
common Usenet practice - I recognize it when I see it.


>>     Based on rumor.  Foundationless.  The FTC hasn't done _anything_,
>>Jay.  They haven't gone right to court.  So where's your foundation
>>here?
>
>Yet.

     In other words, you're admitting that your accusations are
without foundation.


>Haven't you been reading the articles reposted here? I seriously doubt that
>major magazines and newspapers would print that kind of thing unless they
>believed it to be true.

    Heh.  A newspaper in Seattle recently reported the "Man siphons
gas from the septic tank" urban legend as fact.  The media is fallible.
The media is biased.  You can't believe everything you read, even
when it makes you happy to believe it.

				-Phil
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