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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:36:40 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan) writes:
: 
: Could you name some educational institutions in India
: where one could get a job by virtue of being a Brahmin ?

  "Iyyer-Iyengaar Institute of Technology"(IIT), Madras.:--)
: 
: -- rst

NS
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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.030335.891@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>
>In article <kat.722188148@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
> writes:
>>In <1992Nov19.143114.90650@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.a
>u (S. Parthasarhathy) writes:
>
>>>into it and paid the penalty. 1000+ soldiers, RG + 15 others died and
>>>also it introduced the gun culture into TN.
>>
>>      Gun culture was in TN and Andra before Tigers and others. Naxalites
>>had guns before. Moreover, India was not dragged into it. This is
>>like the crocodile dragging the little tuna. Are you joking?
>>
>
>
>     A correction,  gun culture was not started by the naxalites.  Actually it
>was the government standing for the established section of the Indian society
>which started the gun culture.  Naxalites started using guns to defend the
>people against the govt and later involved in occasional terrorism also.  But
>the credit for the original terrorism goes to the govt only and the credit for 
>the gun culture goes to the established section.
>
>
>S. Sankarapandi

	I suggest the SCTamil readers to read the 'Sketches' of
	Telugu writer Kodavatiganti Kutumbarao, that Mr. Anand Kishor is
	posting in SCITelugu. The two sketches, Kindness and
	Bandicoots are relevant to this issue, not that who started
	gun culture, how it starts.

	I request Mr. Kishor to crosspost the articles in SCTamil for the
	benefit of those who read only SCTamil

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: raja@wam.umd.edu (C. K. Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <82xJ024j2bhW01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> fca00@chennai.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran) writes:
>>where one could get a job by virtue of being a Brahmin ?
>
>
>  Vivekananda College, Madras ??????????????

   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nope, since they depend on the University Grants Commision for grant money
reservation policy still applies.

C. K. Subramaniam (ex-viveka)
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Penned by Poet Sujatha.....
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:41:28 GMT

From Sujatha's 'nailOn rathangaL' (Nylon Chariots).... [also in English]

1. vENdaam varathadchchiNai... 
   ---------------------------

paththup pavuN thangam paLichchenRu kalvaLaiyal
muththilE chinnathaay mookkuththi - maththapadi
paaNdu vaiththu oorkOlam paaddu ivaithavira
vENdaam varathadchiNai

ten sovereigns gold  glittering diamond bangles
and tiny nose ring in pearl - in addition
neat music  band playing procession  except these
need no dowry anymore 

(Yes, it is not a 'translation')

2. pOyiRRu paavam...
   -----------------

kaasikkup pOnathum kangaiyil kuLiththathum
poosiththa puNNiyamum pOyiRRu - paasik
karaiyOram ninRu kuLiththavaLin vadda
mulaiyeeram paarththa piRaku

well...  I concede.  It is eyond my capacity to present (depict)
what Sujatha says in four lines.

3. amerikkaa amerikkaa...
   ----------------------

kaasu pOddaal
mishinilirunthu
vEsi kooda varukiRaaL

====

Thanks Suresh for sending few Tamil 'poems'.  
Posted during a very 'heavy' afternoon.

Vicky:
UMass, Nov 18
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan.....
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:56:54 GMT

thiraippadam    : Omai vizhikaL

paadiyavar      : P B Seenivas matRum kuzhuvinar

paadalaasiriyar : aabaavaaNan

isai            : manOj-kiyaan / aabaavaaNan


thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa
vaazhvai sumai ena ninaiththu thaayin kanavai midhikkalaamaa
urimai izhanNthOm udamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
uNarvai koduththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa

thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa

vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram
urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
uNarvai koduththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa
vaazhvai sumai ena ninaiththu thaayin kanavai midhikkalaamaa
vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram

yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paathai maaRalaamaa
iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakalaamaa
urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
uNarvai kotuththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paadhai maaRalaamaa
iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakalaamaa


anpudan,

V R Kumar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:11:17 GMT




In article <1992Nov19.162857.26786@cs.odu.edu> raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Kris
hna Raj) writes:
>I have to make certain clarifications to my earlier posting.
>Satyagraga will work only under conducsive situations.
>
>Mahatma was successful because the rulers were decent at least followed
>some rules and regulations for proper governance. But think about
>a situation if the police comes and under the pretext of searching
>and assaults the females.(Gandhi's wife, daughter in laws etc.)
>


     Both are not true.  Gandhi was not successful.  He used satyakraha only
in certain places depending upon whether the situation will will take his fast
to the death or he will be saved.  He used it as a black-mail in some places to
press the soft people also.  (Our Satyagrahis in the net will demand me to post
the evidence.  I will soon do it,  It is a big article and hence will do it
when I have more time.

     British were not at all decent.  They were as brutal as other oppressors.


>
>My assertion is Mahatma was successful because his family was never touched.
>He went to jail many times. But jails were like ashrams those days.
>
>In simple terms Satyagraga is successful only against a highly
>civilized western society.
>
>
>Raj




S. Sankarapandi
From: Vijay_Anand@transarc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telegu
Subject: JOHNSTOWN PA: Help needed for moving in
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Folks,

   My brother will soon be relocating to Johnstown PA to take up a job
there. He would like to hear from some Johnstown folks with whom he
could stay for a few days before finding his own apartment. He doesn't
know anyone in Johnstown at present. He is also interested in sharing an
apartment/house with folks looking for people to share an
apartment/house. He will most likely be moving in before December 1, so
this is kind of urgent. Please send me Email (vijay+@transarc.com) or
call (412) 521-2844 (Pittsburgh) asap.

Much thanks for your help,
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: paramasivan kazhuththil irunNthu...- SOORIYAKAANDHI
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:44:45 GMT


paramasivan kazhuththil irunNthu paampu kEttathu
garudaa sowkiyamaa .................

ip paadal idampetRa thiraippadam sooriyakaandhi.
naan munpu ezhuthiyathu pOla 'avar enakkE sonNtham' alla.

( nanRi thiru sivasamy premaraj )

anpudan,

V R Kumar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran)
Subject: kuRaL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:58:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Hi Netters,

>	A. Natarajan writes
>
>"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God!"
>                                         St. John
>"agara mudhala ezhuththellaam aadhi bhagavan mudhaRRE ulaku"
>                                         ThiruvaLLuvar
>
		[Lots of good stuff deleted]
>Cheer up everybody!
>Natarajan, the "AIDS" American!
>AryoIndoDravidioSanskritotamil- American, that is!
>^   ^   ^       ^        

	I have a question about the kuRaL. Does 'aadhi & bhagavan' in the
above kuRaL refer to Thiruvalluvar's parents (seems like it) ?

- V. Natarajan




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: kuRaL
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:38:05 GMT

In article <92Nov21.175837.17925@acs.ucalgary.ca>, nvenkate@acs.ucalgary.ca (Natarajan Venkateswaran) writes:
> Hi Netters,
> 
> >	A. Natarajan writes
> >
> >"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God!"
> >                                         St. John
> >"agara mudhala ezhuththellaam aadhi bhagavan mudhaRRE ulaku"
> >                                         ThiruvaLLuvar
> >
> 		[Lots of good stuff deleted]
> >Cheer up everybody!
> >Natarajan, the "AIDS" American!
> >AryoIndoDravidioSanskritotamil- American, that is!
> >^   ^   ^       ^        
> 
> 	I have a question about the kuRaL. Does 'aadhi & bhagavan' in the
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> above kuRaL refer to Thiruvalluvar's parents (seems like it) ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      No ! This kuRaL says that just like all the knowledge contained
      in literature starts with 'a, aa..' alphabet so is 'every thing'
      which has a beginning in the The First Cause (primordia/primeval God). 
      Aadi_bagavan means primorial/primeval God . Bagavan comes from
      'pagu' = split, divide. God is often described one who is the
       Greeat Dispenser who is also called in Tamil as 'padi aLappavan'.
       God in the sense of First Cause is what is meant aadi_bagavan.

       How can aadi and bagavan as parents of ThiruvaLLuvar make sense ? 
       Can ThiruvaLLuvar's parents were can be considered as prime
       force as to be described as 'muthaRRE ulagu' ?
       Only those who don't understand this kuRaL can say that 'aadi'
       and 'pagavan' were ThiruvaLLuvar's parents. But if you take the
       view of 'aadi_pagavan' as 'ammai_appar' ( = Mother-Father) in the
       sense of Mother-Father of all ( not just ThiruvaLLuvar alone)
       then it will make sense but there again 'aadi' is NOT a name
       of 'lady' in the normal sense and it is not separable from
       'pagavan' .

     
> 
> - V. Natarajan
> 
          Regards
          Selva Selvakumar
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigaL - 17
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:59:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46219
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"illaadha mEdai onRil, ezhudhaadha naadagaththai,
	 ellOrum nadikkinRom - naamE - ellOrum paarkinRom !"

	 From "kELviyin naayaganE..."

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
From: skrishna@cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu (Sarath Krishnaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian history
Date: 15 Nov 1992 19:05:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
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In article <9211140241.AA09403@cec1.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

|>    The Aryan-Dravidian division is in the minds of the people
|> today. The "Aryan Invasion" theory, whether it is proved or
|> not, has no bearance to the people of India today. The Aryan
|> culture has influenced the Dravidian culture and has benefitted
|> from Dravidian culture in turn. The ancient Indian languages,
|> Sanskrit and Tamil have influenced each other, but it is a
|> distortion and lie to say that Tamil is born of Sanskrit or
|> to say that Sanskrit gave birth to all Indian languages. 
|>    A netter who posted an article on an obscene ritual involving
|> a queen and a horse was flamed by a few readers, whereas I have
|> seen a research article analyzing this ritual in a journal by
|> Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty (sp?). This is an instance. The problem is,
|> we view the ancient culture in today's standards. Just because
|> we have not heard of something, it doesn't mean that it was not
|> there and it will be very egotistical to cling to it.
|> 
|>    It will be very egotistic to demand that a study on ancient
|> history should have direct bearance on the people today and
|> unless we change this attitude, we won't be able to appreciate
|> the works and views of others on ancient history.
|>  


  True, and well said.  There isn't much point in making long-winded arguments about the
nature or even existence of an Aryan invasion or which culture contributed to what if the
end purpose is simply to bitch about millenia-old problems; by the same token it's illogical
to apply any judgement of these ancient societies or their rituals to our current modern-day
society.  Our society and our moral standards have changed over time; although it's possible
to judge ancient practices, the value of the judgement is suspect.

It was a really pretty poem, by the way.

Sarath.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil.....
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:07:39 GMT



thiraippadam    : Omai vizhikaL

paadiyavar      : K J YEsudaas

paadalaasiriyar : aabaavaaNan

isai            : manOj-kiyaan / aabaavaaNan


nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanmavil
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil

thinam thORum uNavu adhu pakalil thOnRum kanavu
thinam thORum uNavu adhu pakalil thOnRum kanavu
kanavaana nilai pudhu vaazhvukkeNGkE ninaivu 

nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil

piRakkinRa pOthE iRakkaatha manidhan
piRakkinRa pOthE iRakkaatha manidhan
vaazhkinRa saabam avan munnOr seitha paavam

nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
vaazhum manidha jaathi athil vaazhvathillai neethi
nilai maaRum ulakil nilaikkum enRa kanavil


anpudan,

V R Kumar 
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Who is a Brahmin (Thuglak Cho)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 13:56:02 -0600
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <19045.2b064cf5@ecs.umass.edu>, Vicky writes :
 
>	Cho writes a serial in his fortnightly magazine Thuglak.  He 
>has a character, Ashok, an inquisitive kid.
                          -------------------
   In the story, Ashok is actually an `avatar' of Vasishtha rishi.
 I guess you missed the conversations between Naradha and Viswamitra
 rishi in some chapters of this story. 

> Through Ashok Cho raises
>the some  common question the  Brahmin kids (insiders) have.

  How many Brahmin kids search for a "real" brahmin like Ashok does in  
 this story? How many Brahmin kids know Kathopanishad ? How many
 Brahmin kids know the meaning of the rituals in marriages? 
   But you are correct, however, in saying that Cho is talking through
 Ashok.
  - S.Pandian
  sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
From: chandras@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chockanath R Chandrasekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamizh Kavithai
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:23:34 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


	en azhugiren?
	**************

ennekka puriyavillai
en naan azhugiren
ethatkaka azhugiren
sollamal irukka mudiyavillai
sollavum mudiyavillai
sogamum illai
santhoshamum illai
vazhkai veruthu
veettuku velliyae vanthen
oru kuzhanthai ennai paarthu azhuthathu

-- 
-Chandra                    
chandras@csgrad.cs.vt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigaL - 16
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:18:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46202
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"Paal nilaavaip pOla vantha paavai allavaa ! - naanum
	 paadhai thEdi Odi vantha kaaLai allavaa ! "

	 From "paattu paadavaa?..."

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: cheenu@eng.auburn.edu (Srinivasan Vanchinathan)
Subject: Re: Lyrics of some Bharathiyaar songs..
Reply-To: cheenu@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:37:20 GMT

I am a new entrant into the group and I am not sure of the ADAMI type Tamil translation.  But I try to post the Bharatiyar song here.  If you have a problem please let me know.
**************************
(1)
Raga : Yadhukula kambodhi  Tala: Adi

kakkai chirahinile nanda lala! - nindran
kariyaniran thondruthyae, nanda lala!

parkkum maranga Lellam nanda lala! - nindran
pachhai niran thondruthyae, nanda lala!

ketku moliyi lellam nanda lala!- nindran
geetha misaik kkuthada, nanda lala!

thheekkuL viralai vaithhal nanda lala! - ninnaith
theendu minbandh thondruthada, nanda lala!

*************************** 

< Cheenu >


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: skrishna@cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu (Sarath Krishnaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: With wrath from Eelam:
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:36:41 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
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In article <Mf3y4Ni00Uh742nZMr@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
|> There is a saying "Bring home the bacon." In a similar way, the small aspect of
|> the war should be brought to Colombo. So, the paper-pushing ministers,
|> crazy chauvinistic-monks and generally the cushy urban-elite 'gets the
|> message.' Being far away from the 'Situation' the urban elite doesn't
|> give a damn about whether 10 or 100 people die in the Northeast. And
|> they want trade-fairs? 
|> 
|> Evantually most Tamils in Colombo have to leave. This  will happen when
|> the Sinhalase in Colombo begin to feel threatened(according to what what
|> I'm getting, security forces guarding Colombo are begining to get little
|> 'jumpy'). Prabakaran's birthday is on November 26th. Maybe, a
|> 'spectacular' fireworks' can be put up in Colombo to celebrate his
|> birthday?  Maybe a little 'firefight' to shake things up for the nuts in
|> the Parliament? I can hear the drum beat closing in.....
|> 
|> So, lets bring Colombo the 'bacon'!
|> 
|> -Thambi


That's a pretty damned scary post there (aside from the improper use of the
saying).  Seems like you're advocating the potential assassination of
officials of a national government just to get some attention.  One might
point out that:

1.  You're pretty darned far away from the action yourself.  Might a
similar reminder be in the offing for yourself?

2.  Heck, tons of people reading this (if not all of them) are likewise
isolated.  How 'bout a net-wide "reminder"?

3.  And how does geting a degree in CivE from CMU make you different
from the "urban elite"?

Maybe you're a little isolated yourself; otherwise you'd know that there's
no excuse for killing or acts of senseless violence -- and that you're
currently in a country that frowns on acts of terrorism like the one
you proposed.

Get real, get civilised, and get a thesaurus.

Sarath
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