From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Summary, Trinity vs LDS View fo the Godhead
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:23:42 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <1992Dec12.001327.26196@nuchat.sccsi.com> kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
|In article <77904@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|>In article <1992Dec8.170512.61803@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes:
|>|In article <1992Dec8.011037.10480@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
|>| brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
|[...]
|>|> I would like to add that the trinity doctrine will not make or
|>|> break one's acceptance into heaven.  If the Mormons are correct,
|>|> or if the Evangelical Christians are, one way or another, we will
|>|> be certain  one way or another when we get to heaven.  We can ask
|>|> Jesus in person when we get there.  He can set us straight.
|>
|>I think you are wrong - I haven't followed this, but in I John
|>we are told that if one doesn't have the Son, then one doesn't
|>have the Father.  It also says that anyone who denies that THE
|>Christ has come in the flesh is not to be followed or listened to,
|>for they are the antichrist.
|
|Ah, but one needn't have the Father in order to come to the Son, right?

If you don't have the Father AND the Son, then you've missed it.

|More to the point, unless it is explicitly stated that one must have
|the Son *while alive on Earth* in order to get to heaven, then it follows
|that it is possible to get to heaven by having the Son after death, but
|before judgement.

The Scripture tells us that it is appointed to ALL men to die and
after that the judgment.  I'm not sure there is any loophole there.

The people that know the message of Jesus and the cross before they
die condemn themselves.  The option for those who don't know the
message is possibly in that every knee will bow and confess Jesus
as Lord - at that point they may have the chance, but if you've
knowingly rejected him while alive on this earth, the you are
responsible for your own informed actions.

|>|I couldn't agree more. 
|>|Why is it that Tony Rose can't seem to grasp this concept?
|>|<he asked rhetorically>
|>|
|>|Isn't the important thing that one is trying to live ones life
|>|and do what they think God wants them to? (ie: have faith,
|>|believe in God, repent from sin, seek the guidance of the Holy
|>|Spirit, help others, etc.)
|>
|>You have to come to THE Jesus and not a Jesus.
|
|So tell us: how do you tell the difference between "a" Jesus and THE
|Jesus?

Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh - he is God - he walked the
earth as Jesus of Nazareth, born of the Virgin Mary, he died on
the cross and was raised bodily/physically from the grave on the
third day according to prophecy.

|And who are these "other" Jesus people you refer to, anyway?

Are there not advertisements in you USA today and other places that
tell of the Messiah/the Christ being alive today and living in a secret 
place?  Some even teach that they are trying to reach a christ 
consciousness and that Jesus, himself, just was a christ or that he
reached this consciousness.  Scripture tells us that Jesus is THE
Christ come in the flesh.

|Anyone wonder why heaven is supposedly a "kingdom" instead of a democracy?
|:-)

Because God reigns supreme - we are his servants. :-)

For Christ and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts

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