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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: now.. how about the BEST saturday morning 'toon?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:07:39 GMT

In article <4_a2-7q@rpi.edu>, riouxp@rs6201.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux) writes:
> the besty one has to be the little mermaid.. the series...on abc...well, i
> know everybody won't agree, but what the hell...:)
> 
> SQUID   (having fun under the sae...:)
> riouxp@rpi.edu
   Do you mean Disney's TLM on CBS? If this wasn't limited to Saturday
mornings, I would have to say "Saban's Adventures of The Little Mermaid"
(of course :-) ).


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: anime songs (Re: Kevin-style Aladdin review (thanks Ryan!))
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:36:40 GMT

In article <n118bt@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
#  Which brings me to a question?  I know many songs from many hit Japanimation 
# features are on CD and fans like to buy these CD (soundtracks).  Just like
# people now are buying the Aladdin soundtrack big time.  I was wondering if any
# one particular song in Japanimation got so popular that it was heard all over 
# the place on Japan radio (i.e. hit radio over there) and so forth and/or
# release on single and made top 10 for that single.

Many songs (OP, ED, and other) from anime have become hit songs.
Also the opposite is true.  Hit songs have been used in anime.
There shouldn't be any surprise in this..  Hit songs have been
used for other TV series and background music.

Now most anime OP, ED songs are released as singles.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:35:09 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1992Dec11.074117.20901@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>Emru Townsend (emru@CAM.ORG) wrote:
>>
>>I don't understand why you refer to Ranma and Lum (the title is actually
>>Urusei Yatsura) as "sex epics" when there's no sex in either of them.  In
>>fact, aside from occasional nudity in Ranma (which is not sexual in nature)
>>they're just about as innocent as an Archie comic.
>
>I wouldn't call them "sex epics," either, but there's certainly no small
>amount of titillation in those programs, and they're certainly not as
>"innocent" as a typical Archie comic (when was the last time Betty or
>Veronica lost their bikini tops in full view of the reader, hm?).
>
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Anime: Pardon me
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:14:10 GMT

What happened with the big push back in news.groups a while back for
an anime group?  Did it fail or pass?  Has it died since?

I was just wondering since the anime postings are dominating this
newsgroup.  This isn't a complaint, since my killfile takes care of
it, but it's always strange when it kills 70% or so of the articles in
a group.

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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Perception of Japanimation
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:49:13 GMT

Does anyone have the sales figures on Brave Little Toaster?  Here is a
piece of animation that _I_ as an adult really enjoy watching (one of a
few we have at home that I will sit down and watch by myself - the other
is called The Snowman - get both and enjoy yourself!).  Anyways,
Disney thru their Buena Vista branch released it though as far as I am
aware it never had a theatrical release - at least not a large one.
It WAS shown on cable first (which is where I fell in love with it).
Anyways, perhaps its figures would be relatively similar to a release of
a anime feature of the same caliber.

For those of you who HAVE seen it - what anime would you classify as being
of similar visual, auditory and mentally stimulating equvilence?  Of course,
if you think it is stupid and poorly done, then I guess anything... I guess
I just won't get much of a serious answer.
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  04:32:40

 HD> Doesn't lesbianism exist on American TV?  It does in Japanese TV
 HD> and it does in anime..  There's no problem.

 HD> #  And don't tell me this stuff is made for the 
 HD> homosexual audience either...
 HD> # That's like saying "girls for guns" anime is for 
 HD> females... Complete BS.  
 HD> #  I also heard some of the prono animation and comics over there were
 HD> # lesbianism dominated... Is THIS TRUE?  

 HD> Probably.  There is no difference between porno with humans
 HD> in them and porno with anime girls and guys in them.
 OK OK OK... I know that there is Lesbian character in "Roseanne" (for
American TV example) but there is never any actuall kissing or anything sexual 
done like in the one Japanimation I saw where 2 girls were KISSING each other 
at the beginning and in bed with each other!!! 
 I for one just don't want to see animation go into the garbage can with
lesbians kissing each other.  Any animator who has to WASTE time in drawing up 
saucered-eye lesbians for prono animation really has to be sick.  And if that 
stuff is passed off as "quality stuff", that spells trouble and it can and
will backfire against the animation industry as a whole.  
 Animation in my opinion is something special (afterall it take lots and lots 
of drawn pictures to do a feature) and it is sad when they have to draw up
prono animation (especailly lesbians) or make junk with lots of blood and gore 
without redeming value.
 Companies like AnimEigo need to realize this and bring out more quality
animation titles out.  
 Animation unlike other mediums (i.e. live-action movies) is not quite
established yet in terms of stability and the continuing of showing garbage as 
animation (i.e. girls with guns) will turn off people to animation in general 
and it will hurt the animation industry in the long run.  Using animation for 
prono is sad, and if that is what will be called mature, we are all in
trouble.  This doesn't seem to be the case right now, and lets hope it doesn't 
go in that direction.  
 It's kind of like video games and CD-ROM players, many people are willig to
buy CD-ROM players for better video games and that will help.  But alas the
same saucered-eye look in most CD-ROM games has hurt already and people are
already selling off their CD-ROM players (which will hurt video game
advacement).  More on this in rec.video.games and a lot later on.

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: BTAS: prime time
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.023253.23975@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
> 
> Prime time premiere -- "I am the Night"
> 
> Brrrrr, they sure started off with a dark one.  Too dark, I think.
> "Nothing to Fear" is just as good,

I vehemently disagree.  "I am the Night" showcases the kind of
characterization that has made BTAS such a great show.

> In fact <ego trip alert> I would program the Sunday nights as follows:
> 
[not a bad list, although my choices would have been different]

> First Catwomam episode

Noooo!!!!  That episode was bad!!  :-)

> I'm sure I missed a couple of good ones.
> But, I deliberatly left out "Heart of Ice" ( see previous post ).

A half-crocodile man and a mind control device that works by placing a
circuit board near the victim's ear are more realistic?  Excuse me, waiter,
can we get the reality check over here?  :^)

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From: ST801964@brownvm.brown.edu (Cloo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Why "anime" (was Re: Defending anime...)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:19:12 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <73sXVB2w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>,
thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson) said:
>emartine@digi.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez Martinez) writes:
>
>anime = ANN - i - MAY

Technically, the katakana for anime breaks up the word into a - ni - me,
So it would be pronounced ah - ni - may (all vowels being very short).
Of course, I'm just being a bit nit-picky. :)

>(as for the japanimation thing, I have no problems with it, some people
>may forget, but when I first got into it 6-7 years back, "japanimation"
>was the standard term for it..."anime" became the proper term a year or

The problem stems from where the "p" ends up.  If the word "japanimation"
was broken down to "ja-panimation," there's no problem--but if it is
broken down as "jap-animation," it becomes a racial slur.  I believe this
was discussed on ra.anime sometime within the last year.

All animation regardless of source (e.g. U.S. _and_ Japanese) is called
"anime" in Japan.  It's a borrowed word from English ("animation", of course--
actually some people say it's from French?!).  It's common practice in
in Japanese to borrow words from other languages and shortening them, e.g.
"biru" from building; "nooto" from notebook.  Thus, because the "J" word
sounds like a racial slur and "Japanese Animation" is just too long to
keep typing out :), people in the U.S. started to use "anime" to refer
to animation from Japan (although in Japanese it would mean _any_ animation).

I'm sure other people will post similiar, better explanations, but since
nobody was responding yet, I thought I'd take a crack at it.

>two ago (about the same time that everyone I know came to me with these
>tapes going "you have to see this", but by that time I'd spent enough of
>my life huddled in small dark rooms at local SF conventions that
>everything they showed me was "seen it" :-)

Those were the days--back when the only thing those SF convention had
dealing with anime were Captain Harlock and Galaxy Express 999 booklets. :)
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: RESCUERS DOWN UNDER
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.130136.2546@inland.com>, hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock) writes:
> [Parmenator X writes!]
> > Interesting that no one ever mentions Rescuers Down Under,
> > which for my money, was the best thing Disney's done in years.  It had
> 
> 	I agree.  I call RDU "The Most Underrated Disney Movie".  It is
> an excellent movie.  As good, in it's own way, as TLM and B&B.

The animation and direction are certainly top notch, but I didn't care
much for the plot or the characterizations (unlike, say, THE GREAT
MOUSE DETECTIVE).

So what DID you see in RDU other than what I described above?
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:02:34

 MM> What is the whole reason for having Ranma change genders when 
 MM> he/she/it is doused with water?  It is to give the character 
 MM> some sort of twisted perversion that is used to generate humorous
 MM> situations.  That is a SEXUAL catalyst to get you to watch the
 MM> the stupid show!!!!  

 MM> I would imagine that the people of Japan
 MM> who are very sexually repressed, would get thrown for a loop
 MM> when they see this.  That is why they like it.   

 MM> The same goes for Urusei Yatsura.  Why does she wear skimpy outfits?
 MM> Why does her guy-friend put up with all the crap Lum involves him in?
 MM> The answer is.... 
 MM> SEX!  SEX!  SEX!  SEX!  SEXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!

 MM> I'm not saying its bad.  I'm not saying they shouldn't do it.
 MM> I'M not saying you shouldn't watch it.  

 MM> Just be aware of it.  Don't be a mindless twit!!!  Sex sells in all
 MM> countries.  And these shows DEFINITELY use it.
 So Ranma 1/2 seems pretty perverted to me... Your saying the character
CHANGES GENDERS when (it?) has water splashed on it?  That's pretty low to me 
and seems like a quite a sad show!  As for Urusei Yatsura, that is Lum right? 
 Matthew Sweet (the idiot he is) actually got a TATOO of her on his
shoulder!!!  Only thing sadder than him were his pathetic videos!
 Well, I do plan to rent "Beautiful Dreamer" so I was wondering if the male
character has any guts or is just a wimp that allows the girls to control his 
life.  

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Anime will destroy animation as we know it... NOT!!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.160617.13211@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>
>Oh, and another thing:
>
>In article <n11f9t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>>  As for Orange Road... Well, put it this way in terms of character designs 2
>> for 3 isn't bad, eh?   I personally think Orange Road is what will turn OFF
>> people to more "mature" stuff since it contains the typical junk that make
>> people hate anime.
>
>I didn't get into ORANGE ROAD for the character designs.  I didn't get
>into ORANGE ROAD for the animation.  I got into ORANGE ROAD because it's
>witty, funny, and there's some brilliant characterization in there.
>Same goes for URUSEI YATSURA.
>
>But of course, given that you lose all sense of rationality whenever
>you see an anime-style character design, I'm not surprised you can't
>notice.  Michael Denehey(sp?) doesn't like anime for the same reason
>(the character designs), but at least he can be rational and sensible
>about it.

Me? Rational? Gee thanks! (am I blushing?)
Actually I did/do have a problem with anime-style character design, but
certainly not to the extent of Mr. Kline.  And *I* have no problem with
sexual situations (real or imagined) or 'girls with guns'.  I don't think
our reasons are *quite* the same. ;)

Actually due to discussion on this group, I have decided to give some more
anime a try and attempt to lose my bias.  To dismiss a whole coutry's animation
or a style of animation on the basis of what little I've seen would be very
foolish.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

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>
>I've lost my patience.  This will be my last posting in this thread.
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From: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: AKIRA the movie
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:25:39 GMT
Organization: LaSalle University, Philadelphia, PA

In <1g8j8pINN814@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.190251.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> si6903322@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>>    I was wondering how come no one mentioned AKIRA the movie.. it has the 
>>In short .. it was the best animation film that I have ever seen.. you 
>
>Yes, it is good.  I enjoyed it though it still had plot problems.

I just saw it 2 days ago and thought the animation was EXCELLENT, but as
you said I noticed plot/story problems too.

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From: manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIME VS. DISNEY was Re: Cheap animation
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:44:41 GMT
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In article <1gi95sINN62m@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <1gi2blINN7i2@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> bartmann@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ralf Acktories) writes:
>>

>

>
>>Animation quality (even if it could be measured) can never be an indicator
>>for plot, story or subject quality.

You could have fooled me. Disney has been trying to convince us otherwise
for years.
>
>That's right, but I think it takes both good animation and a good
>story.  The medium is what makes animation animation--all films have
>stories, whether good or bad.  Story is more important, though, IMHO.

This is why many people (such as myself) prefer anime over the Disney
product. Ol' uncle Walt himself said it best: "You cannot have a good movie
unless you have a good story first. This is something (in my opinion) that
the current crew has forgotten.

    
>>no arguing about this point.
 
Indeed not.  


>There is no arguing that whether Disney movies are "mature and
>modern" is matter of personal opinion.  Whether people want Disney
>to be more "mature and modern" is a matter of personal taste.  I
>think their stories *are* mature; at least, more mature than the girls
>with guns (which does *not* classify *all* Anime).
>
>Disney does not deal with "urban decay, overpopulation, etc."
>because it is depressing and out of their genre.  They have their
>own niche that few can touch. 

I think that this is the problem. In creating 'their own niche' they have
systematically strangled the animation industry in the US. Through a
combination of near-billion dollar advertising budgets (well at least it
SEEMS that way) and absolutely merciless self-promotion, they have created
the illusion that THEIR way is the only RIGHT way. In any review of ANY
non-Disney (Note the big "D") animated film, from WATERSHIP DOWN to HEY,
GOOD LOOKIN' to LAPUTA, the so-called 'critic' spends several thousand words
forming an opinion that can just as easily be said in three words: "It's not
Disney."
From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:41:03 GMT
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In article <71471@cup.portal.com> DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider) writes:
>Re: Whyis animation for kids?
>
>This is about equal to "how many roads must a man walk down?"
>
>Look at the Tv animation death-wish on the networks:
>FISH POLICE
>CAPITAL CRITERS
>FAMILY DOG (anybody doubt that this would have been as bad as the above
>two?)

Have you ever seen Tim Burton's original "Family Dog"?  Hilarious!
Although I must admit I don't think they can pull off the same humor
level in a weekly series.

I *loved* Capitol Critters.  A cartoon that dealt with serious issues
(though not as much as they probably should have).  And characters who
actually *died*.

Fish Police sucked.  It lacked the elements that made the comic good.
It was little more than a Saturday morning cartoon with innuendo.


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From: ajmiller@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Arkayn)
Subject: Re: ANIME VS. DISNEY was Re: Cheap animation
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:20:41 GMT

In <1gnc21INN4bu@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> bartmann@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ralf Acktories) writes:

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From: ylnwai@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Newton Wai)
Subject: BTAS: Silly villians (Re: BTAS: prime time
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:55:52 GMT

 [some stuff deleted]
> > ......  I rather like Mr. Freeze, and the Mad Hatter,
> >and Clayface.  Their crimes were executed with a clear purpose in
> >mind, be it revenge or love.  Other characters who are just running
> >amuck with no purpose should be tossed out for all I care.  By this, 
> >I refer specifically to the Joker.  He's the WORST!
> >
> >-opc-
> 
> I liked the Mr. Freeze character, I just wish he didn't have that silly
> physiological gimmick.  The Mad Hatter doesn't have any superpowers.  I rate 
> his character as above average.  I wasn't impressed by Clayface at all.
> One homocidal maniac in Gotham City is ok.  The problem is that the Joker
> hasn't had any good stories.
> 
> My favorite character is Scarecrow.

IMHO, BTAS has done a better job for Clayface and Mad Hatter than the original 
comics. I never quite like the Joker. As for Catwoman, I think it's pretty
boring that she has gone straight (I miss her first appearance). The only 
Penguin episode was a BIG disappointment. Riddler and Scarecrow are well done.
However, my biggest complain is that there hasn't been enough Two-Face episode.
Oh, forgot to mention that I like Mr.Freeze. (In the old Batman TV series, there
has been 3 episodes of Mr.Freeze with 3 diff actor playing the villian. Only the
first one is good, the other 2 are silly).

								Newton Wai