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From: Hornig@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM (Charles Hornig)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: CLX 5.02
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:33:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:01:17 -0400
Message-Id: <9209081501.AA07353@expo.lcs.mit.edu>

Version 5.02 of CLX (the X library binding for Common Lisp) is now
available on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/CLX.R5.02.tar.Z.  The
differences between this version and the version distribiuted with R5
are described below.  Please report any problems with this version of
CLX to bug-clx@expo.lcs.mit.edu.

- - - - - - - - - -

Changes in CLX 5.02:

Replace LCL:ENVIRONMENT-VALUE with LCL:ENVIRONMENT-VARIABLE.

Fix a declaration in the DEFINE-ERROR macro.

Quote type argument to TYPE-CHECK consistently.


Changes in CLX 5.01:

Support for MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authorization has been added.

All VALUES declarations have been changed to CLX-VALUES declarations.
VALUES is a CL type name and cannot be used as a declaration name.

All ARRAY-REGISTER declarations have been removed as Genera no longer
needs them.

Many type declarations have been corrected or tightened up now that some
Lisps look at them.

Print functions have been defined for bitmap and pixmap formats.

The DISPLAY-PLIST slot will be initialized to NIL.

When debugging, don't optimize SPEED in the buffer macros.

Make the CARD8<->CHAR and the window manager code work for sparse
character sets (where some codes do not have corresponding characters).

The default gcontext extension set and copy functions will take the
correct number of arguments.

PUT-IMAGE will now work for 24-bit images.

The buffer accessors for MEMBER8, etc., will use the standard mechanisms
for reporting type errors.

Typographical errors in SET-WM-PROPERTIES, SET-STANDARD-COLORMAP, and
POINTER-CONTROL have been fixed.

Symbolics systems will do lazy macroexpansion in the buffer macros.

A variety of changes for Symbolics Minima systems have been made.

Some system-dependent code has been added for CMU Common Lisp.
From: chaz@supplytech.com ( Mr. Chaz Bullock)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: mailing list request
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:30:07 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:29:06 EDT
Message-Id: <9209142029.AA16188@supplytech.com>


I am interested in being put on your X mailing list.

	chaz@supplytech.com
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:26:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

Date: 9 Sep 92 17:28:47 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x

In article <smr.715609399@hitkw14> smr@hitkw14.pki-nbg.philips.de (S.Riehm) writes:
> I figure that GUI's are inherently non-extensible, even those
> wonderful window manager that allow you to define your own pop-up
> menus and so on, can you make this menu beep when it pops up? can you
> make this tear off menu always sit at the back of the window stack
> unless called up explicitly? 

Yes. I assume you're not reading this in comp.windows.news, or you'd know
that NeWS can do that.
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From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
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Subject: Re: Transparent windows
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:37:25 GMT
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Organization: Open Software Foundation

Date: 9 Sep 92 23:19:43 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <DRAND.92Sep9105634@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand) writes:

   In article <9209081631.AA04622@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu> ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.EDU (Lisa Dawes, Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Alabama-Huntsville) writes:

      How are transparent window backgrounds created and/or implemented.
      Is there a color index for transparent colors.  Where is a good 
      source of documentation concerning this?

   There aren't any in standard X (to the best of my knowledge).  A 
   window can have CopyFromParent as background,  but that isn't 
   transparency,  and the X color model has no such notion.  Most
   display hardware doesn't either.

I should point out that I'm responding to his presumed intend of
overlaying "transparent" graphics.  If you just want a fully
transparent window that can not be drawn into,  an Input only window
is dandy.
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From: bill@bcserv.wustl.edu (Eldridge (Bill))
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Subject: Re: more of gcc-2.2.2 & X11R5 problems
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:35:03 GMT
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Date: 9 Sep 92 18:28:56 GMT
Message-Id: <bill.716063336@bcserv>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

wanted to say that my original attempts for this DID
have patch-level-17, but since i started over i thought
i'd try getting one that i knew compiled under cc
to compile.

also, the RELEASENOTES mention substituting things
like stdlib.h from the standard library for the gcc
versions, and all of this got real complicated with
not much progress, and 3 hours compile time per attempt.
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From: joe@oilean.islandsw.com (Joe McGuckin)
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Subject: Font Editor available?
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:08:47 GMT
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Organization: Island Software

Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:43:53 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Is there a bitmap font editor available?  What about tools for resizing/rescaling
existing fonts?

Thanks!

-joe

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From: andr@elvis.sovusa.com (Andrei Arkhipov)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: "Could not get keyboard type" error. What is it?
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:49:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: ELVIS Corp.

Date: 10 Sep 92 16:43:03 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep10.164303.3264@elvis.sovusa.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look

Hi.

Sometimes my cron job generates the following message:
"could not get keyboard type US keyboard assumed"

SS1+ with SunOS 4.1.1, type-4 keyboard, OpenWindows 3 running.

Any help appreciated,
               Andrei.
From: pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer)
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Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:14:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise B.V.,Apeldoorn,The Netherlands.

Date: 11 Sep 92 07:42:51 GMT
Message-Id: <pb.716197371@atperf.idca.tds.philips.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone

In <1992Sep9.181720.6368@ra.msstate.edu> borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert) writes:

>I assume there are no free X term emulators on the internet.  Are my 
>choices only DESQview/X and Hummingbird for the PC?  Wouldn't a used Sun 3/50 
>or 3/60 make a cheaper X term for a company than a 386+ PC with ethernet
>card and X term software?

Dec does sell a product name eXcursion. This is a package giving Xwindows
functionality under MSWindows.
I just now the product is there, I do not use it so I cannot give additional
details.


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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Macs as X-terminals onto VMS systems?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:13:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Date: 8 Sep 92 15:28:54 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep8.152854.26762@linus.mitre.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi: 
	I'm looking for any and all info on using Macs as X-terminals
into Vaxes running VMS (actually, DecWindows - DECs proprietary
implementation of X).

						Peter Trei		
						ptrei@mitre.org
From: jpe@ee.egr.duke.edu (John P. Eisenmenger)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: R5 & HPUX 8.0 -- need a working hp.cf
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:26:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

Date: 14 Sep 92 15:03:37 GMT
Message-Id: <5311@news.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I finally installed HPUX 8.0 on one of my HP 9000 series 300 systems and so I
built a new copy of X11R5.  I modified hp.cf only to change OsMajorVersion
from 7 to 8.  The build and install were both flawless, but every executable
that I've tried which attemts to access a display dumps core with a floating
point exception.  I'm going to start looking into this, but surely someone
has dealt with this and can mail me a solution.

I will try to track my query within news, but I would prefer direct mailings.

Thanks in advance for any and all responses,
-John
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From: atn@sunadm.gasco.com (Angela Nguyen x1551)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xdm
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:51:34 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company of Portland Oregon

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:20:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep11.012024.1608@gasco.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hello,

We are trying to make xdm do the following:  If it is any other host, execute
the regular xdm/Xsession file.  If the host name is "perseus" then execute
the file called xdm/Xsession.perseus.  (In our environment, all hosts share
the same xdm directory over NFS.)

We have tried the following in xdm-config, but none seems to work:

DisplayManager.perseus_0.session:	/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.perseus
DisplayManager.perseus.0.session:	/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.perseus
DisplayManager.perseus_0_0.session:	/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.perseus


Any help or suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

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From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: can an R5 client connect to R4 server?
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:44:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: York University

Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:56:22 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep7.235622.20864@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Brian J. Murrell (brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca) asks :
> Subject: Re: can an R5 client connect to R4 server?
> Well the subject says (asks) it all.  ..

Now I'm confused.  What's a "R4 server", and how would it differ
from, say, a "R3 server" or "R5 server" ?  I've recently spent
many decahours with manuals and dirty experiments achieving the
enlightened understanding that my server speaks only the X Protocol,
Major version = 11, Minor version = 0 (plus the shape extension and
XDMCP) and that all this R# icing is layered above that on the client
side library only.

(Not only that, /* name drop */ Oliver Jones told me that the
 lower levels of X were very stable and not to worry about R4->R5.)

What am I missing ?

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From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:46:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.

Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:45:37 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep7.204537.26238@mv.mv.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.unix.bsd

In article <1992Sep7.133347.4433@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:
>3) Some of us are such Unix snobs that DOS will never touch our machine.
>   Having to boot DOS, then boot Unix, is an unnacceptable crock.  If you
>   want to do it, fine.  But don't suggest that as a rational alternative.
>4) No other manufacturer is trying to make us jump through hoops, so we just 
>   plain won't support the one that is.

Just as an aside, I have had to boot MSDOS to configure at least 2
cards for my ISC machine.  Both were Ethernet cards: the 3c503 and the
WD 8013 (er, SMC Ethercard Plus Elite).  Imagine my surprise (and, I'm
sure, that of many) to find that there was no facility for this under
UNIX, and that I had to go out and buy a copy of MSDOS.

I have also had to boot MSDOS just to run the diagnostics on nearly every
card.

Not the same, I know, as this issue.  But still pretty annoying.

-mm-
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Finding the installed colormap
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:10:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:03:36 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep4.100336.19689@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <BtvC14.K0t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ebina@void.uiuc.edu (Eric Bina) writes:

> How do I find out the currently installed colormap?

Which one?  There may be many.

> I need this for a simple screen grabbing function I am doing.  To
> grab an arbitrary section of the root window I do an XGetImage() with
> IncludeInferiors.  The problems is that the colormap that is
> installed at the time of the grab may not be the default colormap.
> When I save this image to file, I want to save the proper colormap
> with it.

In that case, you don't want "the installed colormap"; you want to know
what's actually in the hardware.  X does not provide any way to find
this out.  Even in what is probably the simplest case, a normal 8-bit
PseudoColor display with a single hardware colormap, knowing the
installed colormap (in this case, "the" installed colormap) doesn't
help, because X makes no promises about what's in the hardware cells
corresponding to unallocated cells in the colormap.

And what if the area selected contains windows of different visuals, or
worse, of different depths?

Now that I've just told you you can't do what you want for two
different reasons, I'll tell you how to do what you want.  Well, not
really, but I'll tell you how to do what you asked for.  It's called
XListInstalledColormaps.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: hubertc@cs.berkeley.edu (Hung-Hsien (Hubert) Chang)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Xdvi on HP machine: screw up
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:27:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.

Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:21:37 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep7.012137.3172@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

We have a cluster with several  HP Apollo Series 700 machines
and there is one complied "xdvi" but it works terribly bad.
I believe there is some option which has to be fixed but would 
rathe have a quick response from experienced people rather
than reading all the specification.

It looked like this way: when we use xdvi filname.dvi 
it will show us ( suppose the foreground is black )
boxes of black boxes with white character inside. 
It look normal when using the Shrink 1 option. But 
the rest is just horrible.

Any fix as to how to recomplie?

thanks.
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: how do I load .bmp images ??
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:53:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 10:31:48 PDT
Message-Id: <9209091731.AA09873@mtesol>


 xloadimage or snapshot says unrecognized image type....
sinan
From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Shared Libs: How can this EVER work?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:50:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC

Date: 10 Sep 92 13:47:12 GMT
Message-Id: <KHERA.92Sep10094712@thneed.cs.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <4953@metasoft.UUCP> alan@metasoft.UUCP (Alan Epstein) writes:

   How are the shared lib versions my applications expects supposed to
   sync with those on the target system? Do I have to link multiple
   versions for customers of various OS levels?

you could ship the .o files and link on the customer's machine at
install time, or you could ship source code.  another alternative,
which seems to be popular is to ship statically linked binaries in
addition to the dynamic linked ones for people with older versions of
the OS.
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From: Rosales@dsif.fee.unicamp.br
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XView -> X11
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:30:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:59:20 EST
Message-Id: <9209091559.AA15004@dsif.fee.unicamp.br>

 Does anyone have an experience in use xview functions (PANEL_SLIDER ) 
inside an Xlib (X11R5) aplication?

  Please e-mail. Thanks in advance.
From: bruno@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Bruno Hall)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xpcterm: source sought
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:49:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill University Broom Closet

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:19:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep14.021925.24926@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I'm looking for xpcterm, which is reputed to be a PC-compatible
terminal emulator for X.

I've asked archie, manually checked export, and still can't find it.

==> Where can the source to xpcterm be found?

Thanks,

Bruno
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From: smith@compound.se (Bjorn Smith)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Xtroff <-> X11R5 rerasterize error
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:06:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Compound Systems AB

Date: 8 Sep 92 09:18:04 GMT
Message-Id: <Bu95u4.2AF@compound.se>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x


Is there possibly anyone that successfully has used xtroff in an
X11R5 environment ?

Our xtroff starts properly but when selecting rerasterize at the menu
the program dies and the following message comes out on stderr:

X Error of failed request:  BadGC (invalid GC parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  56 (X_ChangeGC)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  1332
  Current serial number in output stream:  1346

Another problem is that when using together with groff the text
filling/adjusting is a mess.

Has the combination groff/xtroff been successfully used by anyone ?


Thanks in advance !
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From: robertlight@attmail.com
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Please UNSUBSCRIBE me from xperts
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:50:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9209112224.AA27335@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:20:35 GMT
Message-Version: 2
>To: internet!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert
Original-Date: Fri Sep 11 22:20:35 GMT 1992
Original-From: attmail!robertlight (Robert  Light )
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Email-Version: 2
Phone: +1 508 263 1823
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Please UNSUBSCRIBE me from the xperts mailing list.  It is too
volumonous (sp?) for me and not so worthwhile as I've gotten more
experienced.

 -bob light
email:  robertlight@attmail.com
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XView3 on concurrent again
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:23:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:44:36 PDT
Message-Id: <9209112044.AA13465@mtesol>

Here is the snippet of code that I was talking about
(this is from libxview/ttysw/tty_init.c )

When this gets executed on a concurrent (SVR3 + BSD 4.3 ? )
the stuff program sends to STDOUT still goes to the parent
xterm.Remember that we are NOT doing a setsid (it does not
exist on concurrent) we do a setpgrp(0,0) instead....

Thanx for any responses I may get....
Sinan
I wonder if the problem is with printf ??? hmmm....

-------------------------------------------------------------------


    vec.sv_handler = SIG_DFL;
    vec.sv_mask = vec.sv_onstack = 0;
    sigvec(SIGWINCH, &vec, 0);
    /*
     * Become session leader, change process group of child
     * process (me at this point in code) so
     * its signal stuff doesn't affect the terminal emulator.
     */
    setsid();
    vec.sv_handler = SIG_IGN;
    vec.sv_mask = vec.sv_onstack = 0;
    sigvec(SIGTTOU, &vec, &ovec);

    close(ttysw->ttysw_tty);
 
    /* Make the following file descriptor be my controlling terminal */
    ttysw->ttysw_tty = open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR, 0);  /* open master tty* */
    sigvec(SIGTTOU, &ovec, 0);
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:31:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Date: 11 Sep 92 14:05:12 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep11.150513.2430@lsl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <1992Sep9.170618.15240@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:
> 
> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>>
>>I'm right handed and use my mouse with my left hand. This is so obvious and
>>yet most right handed people use the mouse with their right hand. This has the
>>disadvantage that most right handed peoples left hands aren't capable of much
> 
> I'm afraid you are wrong about that.  For typing, right-handed people can
> type as fast or faster with their left hand than their right.  An experiment
> has be performed that tested this.  I can't remember the reference off the
> top of my head, but I can look it up if anyone is interested.
> 

Well I won't argue with you since you say you have access to the paper. But I
do find (have also asked colleagues) it hard to beleive that most people type
faster with their non-dominant hand than their dominant hand.

> It makes a lot more sense to use your dominant hand for the mouse and
> your non-dominant hand for typing.  Right-handed people should use their
> right hand for the mouse.

In your *opinion*, and I suppose most other peoples (since they too are probably
right handed).

I may have a slight bias here since I've taught myself to do several things
with either hand. Learning to shave left handed was fun :-).

> 
> Edgar

Regards
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Interviewer: "What's the most satisfying thing about being in
              The Sisters Of Mercy?"
Eldritch:    "When I collapse at the end of it..."
Interviewer: "Do you mean that?"
Eldritch:    "Yeah...."

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