HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nutrasystem
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:39:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: diet

(Sorry everyone.)

Jim -

I have tried to contact you by E-mail, but from here the
address you gave in your header results in mail being
returned 'host unknown'.  Do you have any other, or
better, address?

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: SHOES
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:25:07 GMT

For people looking for good help in a shoe store.... try NikeTown in Chicago
i believe it is on Michigan Ave in downtown... it is kindahard to not see if 
you are walking down the right hand side of the street [heading towards Water
Tower] They have every kind of shoe imaginable in almost every size.... i 
throw shotput and was surprised to find myself some shotput shoes in a store!
usually you must order them or the store has maybe three sizes... and the shoes
all suck, but this was wonderful!

It is really worth the time and the money to go there.

And then you can go test your shoes out on Michigan Ave ;)
Good luck! 

-kimberli roan
From: jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Joyce Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: cocoa and nutripoints
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:32:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Actually this is two different subjects.

1.  I made a Duncan Hines brownie mix last night using applesauce and
    egg whites.  On the package, they have a no-cholesterol recipe that
    uses the egg whites and I substituted applesauce for the oil.  I
     took the brownies to the Healthy Heart program office that I am
    a consultant to.  The nutritionist and I figured that the only fat
    was the cocoa.  It turns out that the mix has vegetable shortening
    (I just pulled the box out of the garbage to look at the box). 
    Anyhow, the nutritionist looked cocoa up to find out how much fat
    there is.  THERE IS 1 GRAM OF FAT IN EVERY TABLESPOON OF COCOA!
    This jives with the labeling information on the package which says
    that there is 2 grams of fat per serving in the mix itself.  This
    is based upon 24 servings per package.  That means that the mix
    itself has 48 grams of fat.  Since I used a 8x8 pan that means that
    my brownies had 3 grams of fat.  They were good but not worth 3
    grams of fat per serving.

2.  I bought a book on nutripoints.  Has anyone used this system?
    It seems to make sense since nutripoints balance the nutrition
    against the baddies like calories, sugar and fat.  If  you have
    used nutripoints, what was your experience?

Joyce  jjmorris@gandlf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: WW and progress report
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:56:32 GMT


	2 pounds from goal!
	ya-hoo!

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: willis@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: WW
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.144321.6846@newstand.syr.edu>, 
	mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
> 
> Just thought I'd post and update and look for some advice.  I'm
> still going to Weigh Watchers and have lost 68.5 lbs since
> January.  I'm 11.5 pounds from my goal.  The thing is this,
> my loss has really slowed, which is OK since i plan to not
> consider this a "diet" but a way of life.  The problem with
> the slow loss is that its costing me $10 a week to get weighed
> in (I haven't attended a meeting in months).  I'd really
> like to become a life time member but I'm afraid it will
> take me another 3 months to reach goal and then I need to
> be there (I plan on going lower) for 6 more weeks to get
> my lifetime membership.  This could cost me another $200.  I'm
> wondering two things:  If I stop going, will it be harder
> for me to stay on it?  And, is it worth getting your lifetime
> membership?  Rationally, I feel like I should stop going
> but I also feel superstitious about it.  Its not like I'm
> getting any support (I usually go weigh in early and 
> only see the receptionist)....  Any ideas?
> 
> Margot
> 
> --
> "I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
>   Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
>                                          - David Crosby
Well, there seems to be an epidemic of this this week! I just missed my 
first meeting, after being a member for 13 weeks and losing 14.75 lbs (and
being on a plateau for 4 weeks  - sigh). I'm still 16.25 lbs from my WW 
goal, and 30.25 lbs from my personal goal (which gets me to my weight of
4 years ago - sigh again). Anyway, I'm jealous of those of you who pay $10
per week - our chapter costs $13, and we don't get any ribbons or anything.
The reason I didn't go is that I just can't afford it right now; for a number
of reasons, I'm really broke and am likely to stay that way until the beginning
of the year. I made myself some little booklets so I can continue to track
my eating and exercise, and am thinking of weighing in at home once a week
(I have a balance-type scale). I'll keep you all posted about how it goes!
					Sue
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:55:00 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


 (mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Oct13.014357.23152@m.cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
> >npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
> >
> 
> I think what I said was taken out of context...  But then I'm not
> sure what a "normal-fat/low-calorie" diet means to others.  What
> I was saying is that if I told myself that I could eat all I wanted
> of foods with less than x% of the calories from fat, where x
> is < 30,  I would still
> gain weight.  I have to control the total calories to lose.

I misunderstood what you said.  Yes, I agree with you.  I still
have to watch my total calories.  If I eat a VLFD and still eat
a lot of sugary things (like fat-free Enteman's) I'll gain weight.

I don't know that I believe what these T-factor folks are saying.
I gain weight when I consume lots of calories, fat or no fat.  I
think they're saying that it takes zillions of carbo-calories 
to gain weight if you aren't eating fat.  I use a computer to keep
track of my fat/carbo/protein intake and even with a VLFD I can
still make myself fat.  Maybe I can eat a few more calories with
a VFLD and get away with it but not THAT much more.

I think we pretty much agree.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: moy@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gloria J. Moy,N.DORM C3,(212)9983456,)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:24:00 GMT
Organization: New York University



	Last year, I was having problems with my right wrist and thumb
Initially, my doctor thought it was carpel tunnel. being treated for
that didn't help. what they found out finally was that I had a bone spur
in my thumb that was causing all the problems. Surgury was performed,
spur was removed and i am now fine.

Good luck.
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for when you feel depressed for no reason?
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:45:35 -0600
Distribution: usa

 writes
>In article <1992Oct11.222308.1960@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>>..
>>(fun stuff omitted)
>>..

>>>>>Should I go and look for a friend (or is that just being dependent)?
(not posted by emiddlec)

>>>
>>>....she thought it funny that I even needed to ask, because of *course*
>>>she had enjoyed our earlier conversation.
>>>
>>>This helped a lot, actually, as my impression of that conversation had
>>>been one of the things supporting my depression.
>>
>>Sounds like you need to re-examine the way you perceive things.
(yay.. emiddlec's comment)

>
>There is a lot of truth to bother of your comments on how we perceive 
>things. I have found that when I am really down in the dumps I am much
>more sensitive to how people react to me. In fact I was going through
>a similiar period over the last month or so. What I fall back on is 
>"Did I adhere to normal standards of behavior and conversation when I
>talked to them?". If so, then if they took it wrong it is totally out
>of my control. Part of our baliwick is we have at times a poor grasp
>of what we should do or how we should act in particular situations. So we
>get highly sensitive to what we say or do. I have angonized for days over
>stuff I said or did while the other person had no recollection of it at all.
>In fact I still think of those times every once in while. I guess the whole
>point of these ramblings is that you are not alone and others of us have
>gone through the same things. Good luck and good recovery to you!

Oops. I should have omitted a line above. I was responding to someone who
responded to someone else, not responding to someone's response of me. Whew.
Thanks anyway 'tho.
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for when you feel depressed for no reason?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.222308.1960@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>..
>(fun stuff omitted)
>..
>>>>Should I go and look for a friend (or is that just being dependent)?
>>
>>....she thought it funny that I even needed to ask, because of *course*
>>she had enjoyed our earlier conversation.
>>
>>This helped a lot, actually, as my impression of that conversation had
>>been one of the things supporting my depression.
>
>Sounds like you need to re-examine the way you perceive things.

There is a lot of truth to bother of your comments on how we perceive 
things. I have found that when I am really down in the dumps I am much
more sensitive to how people react to me. In fact I was going through
a similiar period over the last month or so. What I fall back on is 
"Did I adhere to normal standards of behavior and conversation when I
talked to them?". If so, then if they took it wrong it is totally out
of my control. Part of our baliwick is we have at times a poor grasp
of what we should do or how we should act in particular situations. So we
get highly sensitive to what we say or do. I have angonized for days over
stuff I said or did while the other person had no recollection of it at all.
In fact I still think of those times every once in while. I guess the whole
point of these ramblings is that you are not alone and others of us have
gone through the same things. Good luck and good recovery to you!

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |      If we do not succeed,
 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   |      then we run the risk of failure.
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Xref: sparky alt.support:1338 alt.recovery:3448
From: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
Subject: Re: :-)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:03:29 GMT
Reply-To: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct14.021530.18584@athena.cs.uga.edu>, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) write>
>                                                                                                   
>*ahem*
>
>
>**** 90 DAYS OF SOBRIETY TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!******
>
>
>*cute little dance of glee*
>
>Whoops. Its late. Gotta go call my sponsor.
>
>Just wanted to share the milestone.
>-- 
>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>			-Joseph Beam_
>Terrance Heath 
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu


All Right!!!! great news...keep up the good work!
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Sharing to ease shame
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:02:29 GMT

I want to add one more "right on" to Mickey's assertion that sharing relieves
us of shame.

Last night I had to attend a board meeting of a singles group I belong to.
I had told them all about this great man I had met via email and that I
was going to go sailing with him for a couple of days.  I knew I was going
to have to tell them something about that weekend and the truth was that
the weekend was awful.

It is very human to want to look good in all our interchanges and if something
doesn't work, we have a tendency to make the other person wrong.  I have been
taking a series of courses designed to help me to learn to be more real and
to have better relationships.  So I knew that I had to tell the unvarnished
truth, even the parts that made me look rather foolish.

I have told the whole story to 4 other friends and the part about falling off
the stupid boat to about 4 more friends, so I have the telling down pretty pat.
I have also found that each time I tell the story, some of the shame has
slipped away.  I was starting to see the humor in the situation.

This is always a good sign that healing is taking place when you can see the
humor.

Last night I told the whole story to a rapt audience of 7.  We laughed through
the funny parts until tears were running down our faces.   They were caring
and supportive as I related my awful fear and how my abandoment issues had
been triggered.

Afterwards, one board member graciously passed on to me her crown as the
Queen of the Date from Hell!  Everyone was insisting that I just put that
information into the Newletter, that I am the new Queen.

I left the meeting still laughing.  I awoke this morning to find almost all
the queasiness I have had since Saturday has disappeared.  Looks like I need
to tell the story at least one more time, then it will have lost all it's
power to wound and shame me.

My friends acknowledged me for having the courage to explore the possibilites
for a relationship with this man and for telling the story without trying to
gloss over my own mistakes and missteps and embarrassment.

I also know for sure that I left that meeting a little bit closer to those
people for having shared my upset with them.  People just want to contribute
to each other and I had given them an opening to contribute to me.  We all
benefited from it.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes 
Reply-To: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:13:38 GMT

In article <Bw2EI8.996@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>
>Well, yesterday I want shopping for my husband, who is both wide and tall. What
>a drag! As bad as we large women have it, large men have it worse,
>clothes-wise. No selection, high prices, etc.

Exactly my experience ... and even worse in Europe.

>I struck out with both of the pairs of jeans I bought (they didn't fit), but 
>the place had a catlog that seems to have larger sizes. He was entranced 
>with the catalog, though; he hates to try stuff on in a store.

One of the problems I found with catalogs is that the official size
designations do not always tell you much: I recently bought two
pairs of supposedly identical trousers, with identical size
designations (58R) from a British vendor, where the length from waist
to crotch on one pair is about 2/3 of the length on the other, and the
waist itself is about 1.5 inches shorter on one than on the other.

>So my question is: does anybody have any good addresses for catalogs that 
>carry large men's sizes? I know we just did some here for women, but I didn't
>see much for men. Any help would be fab. Thanks as always!

I wouldn't mind seeing some of these, especially companies which will
accept foreign orders, or European companies.

Regards,
Wolf
-- 
            V              
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|  A  L  C  A  T  E  L  |  Alcatel-Elin Research Center     +43-1-391621-122 (w)
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      ELIN RESEARCH        A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe        +43-1-2246913 (h)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Please Help??????????
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:17:32 GMT

Andrew Harris writes:
>What kind of unethical, manipulative, poorly contrived research is
>this???
>
>State your reasons and your purpose!!!!!!

Yeh, and while you're at it, state what *reward* that your respondent
is supposed to get out of spending their time filling out a question-
naire for someone else.  What gall.

							--Fiona
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Please Help??????????
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:44:49 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <1992Oct12.145357.8902@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
>aharris@alfred.carleton.ca (Andrew Harris) writes:
>
>>What kind of unethical, manipulative, poorly contrived research is
>>this???
>
>>State your reasons and your purpose!!!!!!
>
>>  Andrew
>
>And why is he posting this particular bit of ignorant nonsense in so many
>groups.  I have read 3 groups so far this morning and he has posted this
>silly thing to all 3 groups.


Only three, Barb?  I've seen it in at least a dozen groups, and still
counting.  Even worse, the darn thing wasn't even properly
cross-posted.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: British Big & Tall Catalog Address
Reply-To: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:23:42 GMT

Here is the address of a Catalog B&T place in Britain.

I have received two of their catalogs so far but have not had a chance
to order anything.

The catalog looks pretty good though:

	The Big Man's Shop
	G. Deakin & Sons
	P. O. Box 3
	Fore Street
	Redruth
	Cornwall TR15 2DQ

	+44 209 216868 VOICE
	+44 209 216222 24-HR ANSAPHONE
	+44 209 315309 FAX

	Payments accepted by VISA/Mastercard and their European
	equivalents, also (UK) checks and postal order.

Their catalog is subtitled, "U.K., European, and Transworld Distributors",
so I will try them sometime soon.
-- 
            V              
+-----------------------+  Wolf N. Paul, Computer Center         wnp@rcvie.co.at
|  A  L  C  A  T  E  L  |  Alcatel-Elin Research Center     +43-1-391621-122 (w)
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      ELIN RESEARCH        A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe        +43-1-2246913 (h)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Guilt & weight
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:37:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct4.005824.10933@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
>
>I think you are right.  We fat people aren't supposed to be happy and
>well adjusted.  And a woman like me who is not dieting and has no
>intention of diets, and who feels quite beautiful and sexy; is 
>particularly hard to take for people who need someone to feel
>superior to.
>
>Incidently, since I started feeling wonderful about myself, I find
>I am attracting people to me.  I expect soon to have a man in my
>life who is nuts about me.  

Boy, is this refreshing!  I'm so glad I discovered this group.  And what
you're describing here is exactly what has been happening to me ... after
years of yo-yo dieting, I finally quit about two years ago, convinced that
it was only damaging.  I _am_ interested in stopping eating compulsively,
but as long as I'm focused on thinness, I know I'm off track.

At any rate, I found exactly the same response you describe here:  I
started attracting men to me as I became more content in myself.  I'm now
seriously dating someone, who in the past disliked overweight (he's very
fit) but has done a 180-degree turnaround, which probably astonishes him
more than I even know.  He's extremely supportive, thinks I'm wonderful
whether or not I ever lose weight, finds me attractive, sexy, etc.  After
a lifetime of believing no man could ever really feel this way about me,
I'm finding it liberating to see the other side.  

Great group!



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: nancyann@work.berkeley.edu (Nancy Johnsen Horton)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:36:27 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu
Keywords: large size, clothes, catalog

In article <Bw2EI8.996@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>
>So my question is: does anybody have any good addresses for catalogs that 
>carry large men's sizes? I know we just did some here for women, but I didn't
>see much for men. Any help would be fab. Thanks as always!
>
>Marty


I can't offer addresses, but I have three suggestions.  I don't even
know if all three are nationally offered, but we've gotten some decent
clothes from the JC Penney and Sears Big 'n Tall catalogs, as well as
Rochester Big & Tall.

njh

Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: aharris@alfred.carleton.ca (Andrew Harris)
Subject: Please Help??????????
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:59:41 GMT

What kind of unethical, manipulative, poorly contrived research is
this???

State your reasons and your purpose!!!!!!

  Andrew
From: cmr@cvedc.prime.com (Chesley Reyburn)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Big Men's Clothes
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:34:39 GMT
Organization: Computervision R&D, Beaverton OR

cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) writes:

>I wouldn't mind seeing some of these, especially companies which will
>accept foreign orders, or European companies.

I have had some luck with the following catalog:

    King Size - Big and Tall
    P.O. Box 9115
    Hingham MA  02043
    USA

    Telephone ordering:  800/846-1600

I have bought mainly knit golf shirts, rugby shirts, jackets and
sweat pants from this place that were ok.  There have been
a few shirts that were not tall enough.  They are very nice
about returning things.

I don't know if the telephone number listed above works outside
of the USA.

Chesley Reyburn  cmr@cvedc.prime.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Theresa J Alberti)
Subject: Re: But a Size 3?!?
Originator: alberti@staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: Authors With Twins
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:32:58 GMT

In <1992Oct13.171404.25642@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:

>                          With gratitude to Geneen Roth's _Breaking
>                                  Free from Compulsive Eating_,
>                          Nancy Lebovitz


Here's to Geneen Roth!  I highly recommend her other books on the subject:
Feeding the Hungry Heart, Why Weight?, and When Food is Love.

Theresa Jarosz Alberti




-- 
--                                                                          --
Theresa Jarosz Alberti                      Writer/Mother of Twins=Overworked!
     "You have to let writing eat your life and follow it where it takes  you.
You fit into it;  it doesn't fit neatly  into your life.   It makes  you wild.  
Kate said... to the outside world she looked normal...  how could she work all 
day, have a baby and write?  She wanted it bad; that's what finally moves you,
not how it will conveniently fit in with the rest of your life." (N. Goldberg)