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From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Subject: can an R5 client connect to R4 server?
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:17:06 GMT

Well the subject says (asks) it all.  I just compiled X11R5 on one
of the machines in my office.  I have two other machines running
R4 (a SVR4 workstation, and a PC running an R4 server under MS
Windows).  I can't seem to start any applications on my R5 system
with the -display set to either workstation.  

I get an error message such as below if I try to start any client
with the parameter -display ilinx:0.0

Error: Can't open display: ilinx:0.0

So what's the story here??

brian
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: haberman@s6.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann)
Subject: xprkbd source?
Summary: Where can I get source to xprkbd?
Keywords: xprkbd xmodmap
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:35:18 GMT

On our machines we have a program called xprkbd that will 
dump the KeyCode to KeySym mapping for an X display.  Does 
anyone know where I can find the source?  Our man-page seems 
to imply that it may come along with xmodmap, but I looked 
in mit/clients/xmodmap and didn't see it.

Thanks,

Joe Habermann
haberman@msi.umn.edu
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16666 comp.windows.x.motif:6185
From: goodsenj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (John Goodsen)
Subject: Re: tutorial of imake
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:23:17 GMT

Hi Hang,

>
>
>Hi: everybody:
>
>Does anyone know where to get some tutorials of how to write imake and
>makedepend file from X? I hereby thank you for the hint. Please mail me
>at cs000hf@selway.ut.edu or hf@huckle.cs.umt.edu
>

I've got the tutorial notes from Todd Brunhoff's tutorial on Imake at
Xhibition '90 (Todd wrote Imake).  If you send me email after Oct 1 to
remind me, I'll photocopy it and send it to you.  (I don't get back
into my office until then).  The man page on imake is skimpy, and
there's not enough documentation anywhere to fully describe it well.
If you scan back issues of X Resource and X Journal, you'll find
some information also.

makedepend is just a program which will append file dependencies
to the end of a Makefile.  It parses for #include directives in
the code specified.  The man page on makedepend is sufficient
to use it effectively.  Usually, people put a "depend" rule
in their Makefile which will update the makefile when they 
invoke the makefile with "make depend".

later

John
John Goodsen                              Ada Joint Program Office
RADSoft Labs                              PCIS Programme
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800-877-1815


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: hart@waterloo.hp.com
 (Tony Hart)
Subject: Re: Is X a bandwidth hog?
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:42:13 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]

Randy Smith (rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil) wrote:
: 
: Recently, there's been some dicussion around the office that X can be a 
: bandwidth hog.  Obviously, it depends on what you are doing, but on a
: thicknet ethernet just how bad would it be to use X to support an office
: automation environment, i.e. some word processing, e-mail, and spreadsheet
: applications.  We don't forsee a lot of big bitmap-type activity.

Contrary to common belief, X is not generally a bandwidth hog. In our testing
of various software packages with HP 700/RX X terminals, the average loading 
per terminal rarely went above 1% of the total LAN bandwidth. The types of
applications which you describe would probably take a lot less bandwidth. As 
a rule of thumb, to avoid collisions and maintain good interactive response, 
you might want to limit yourself to no more than 40 users per dedicated
LAN segment. 

Hope this helps!

Tony Hart,
Panacom Automation Division,
Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd.

Standard Disclaimer:
All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of
the Hewlett-Packard Company.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: keysymdef.h, Why it is defined that way?
Keywords: keysym
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:56:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.035254.14586@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, noname@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (  ) writes:

> In the "keysymdef.h" file, the data looks like this:

> #define XK_space	0x020
[...]
> #define XK_asciitilde	0x07e
>                                 <---- please note the blank line here. 
> #define XK_nobreakspace	0x0a0
> #define XK_exclamdown	0x0a1
[...]

> My question is:

> Is there any particular reason that jump the keysym code definition
> from 0x07e to 0x0a0?

Yes.  It makes conversion from KeySyms to ISO Latin-1 a *lot* easier.
(In fact, it's the identity transformation.)

The blank line has no semantics in C terms and is almost certainly to
improve human readability.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: Creating Virtual Root Windows
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:04:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.220705.9678@cs.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

> This may be an FAQ, but I didn't see it in the FAQ list.

I don't think it is.  I don't recall seeing it come up before, which
means it definitely doesn't come up often.

> What I'd like to do is create a window W which is a client of the
> root window in an already running X server, and then set it up so
> that W is the root for new display foo:1 (say W is living on display
> foo:0).

> From reading the X protocol specs, I got the impression that I would
> be able to simply open up the socket corresponding to foo:1 and a
> connection to foo:0.  Then, whenever a client comes in on foo:1, I
> pass it all the connection information that it would normally see if
> it were connecting to foo:0 except that I tell it that W is the root
> window.  From then on, I pass all data unchanged from foo:1 to foo:0.

It's not that simple.  You also have to fudge some things - for
example, the protocol specifies that certain requests act differently
when applied to root windows - DestroyWindow request are ignored, to
pick one.  You'd have to arrange for those.  You'd have to offset the
"root window" coordinates in some event types.  You'll have to arrange
that XID values corresponding to windows not under your pseudo-root
appear to be invalid.  You'll have to deal with the possibility that
the pseudo-root gets resized by the window manager running on the real
root.  You'll have lots of such headaches to deal with...what do
clients of the pseudo-root see when a non-pseudo-rooted client grabs an
input device?  That sort of thing.

There was, in R3 I think it was, a pseudo-root mechanism which looked
(to clients) something like this.  It was taken out in the next release
(R4, if memory serves) because it had problems, presumably something
like the problems I brought up above.  Nothing has replaced it as far
as I know.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: quandt@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: imake
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:39:04 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

How do I make a program/package if I don't have imake, or xmkmf?

The vendor of the OS (a real time UNIX) supplied  X11R4 and motif with
the system, and now I want to make some X apps (eg Dirt).  In order
to make the makefiles I need to run imake, but...

Also the way the vendor set up the directories I don't see a config directory.

Any help would be appreciated.  Can I just download the source for imake?  
Actually, this question may have been answerd in the previous questions 
about X and sun and Openwindows, which also seems to have the same problem
on older versions of openwindows.


					Brian Quandt
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: izeek@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ilan Aisic)
Subject: Re: X interface to tar?
Reply-To: izeek@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ilan Aisic)
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.224106.10842@ncmicro.lonestar.org> ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
>Has anybody seen an Xtool that frontends tar?
> ...
Sun boundles "tapetool" with its OpenWindows.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: gaf@misty.anasazi.com (Guy Finney)
Subject: Book(s) describing imake use in non-X projects?
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:13:29 GMT
Originator: gaf@misty


Imake seems like a pretty useful tool, but I've only seen it described
in the context of making X Window programs.  Are there any examples,
either real world or in books, of using imake on other kinds of development
projects?  Specifically, considerations for building rules like those
in Imake.rules and an imake.tmpl file.

If you know of references I can poke around in, please E-MAIL them
and I'll summarize (there's already enough traffic here to make looking
for a followup article like looking for a needle in a haystack, and I've
found that 'rn' can't be trusted to match strings reliably).


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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16345 comp.unix.questions:10834
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.questions
Subject: DOS emulator under X?
Keywords: X, Unix, Dos Emulation
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:58:34 GMT
Reply-To: stine@aviary.UUCP (John P. Stine x7381)
Followup-To: comp.windows.x
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

I'm looking for a DOS emulator for a Unix platform.  I've found
SunPC 3.0, which runs under Open Windows.  I was hoping someone
out there has heard of such an animal for an X environment.

I'll summarize my findings to comp.windows.x if there's 
sufficient interest in this.

Thanks in advance for your help and insight.

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   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
From: 71042.1061@CompuServe.COM (Rodney  Adams)
Subject: RE: MWM Decorations
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:40:45 GMT


Hi John,

You can control the decorations put up by the Motif Window Manager
by setting the XmNmwmDecorations resource.

1.) This resource is defined by the VendorShell widget class.
2.) It can be set for any shell widget class which is sub-classed
    off the VendorShell widget class; including ApplicationShell,
    TopLevelShell, and XmDialogShell widgets.
3.) Its value is a bit mask; you OR (|) together individual bit masks
    in order to specify the decorations you want.
4.) The bit masks are defined in /usr/include/Xm/MwmUtil.h

--Rodney
From: marc@betelgeuse.East.Sun.COM (Marc St-Hilaire Canadian Dev. Ctr - Montreal)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Wanted: Example using XFreeColors
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:26:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marc@betelgeuse.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: betelgeuse.east.sun.com

I allocate a color using XAllocNamedColor. Latter on, I want to make sure that
this color is removed from a colormap I created and installed. I use XFreeColors
to do so but somehow the color is not removed from the colormap. Anyone would
have an example of doing this, especially of how to use the 'planes' argument?

Marc St-Hilaire (marc.st-hilaire@east.sun.com)
From: jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: What is XTank?
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:27:35 GMT
Organization: SUNY AT BUFFALO Computer Science

I am hungry for X sources.  XTank looks prospetive, but it may be more
helpful if I kind of know what it does...


-- 
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  Just can't see why we disagree." - SUPERTRAMP
From: alan@metasoft.UUCP (Alan Epstein)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Shared Libs: How can this EVER work?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:45:21 GMT
Organization: Meta Software Corporation, Cambridge MA


Let's suppose that I am an ISV producing a product which runs under X.
I compile and link it using shared libraries in my X11R4p18
environment under SunOS 4.1.1. I then ship it to a customer who is
using SunOS 4.0.3, which contains shared libraries which are 1 or more
revs earlier than what my application is expecting (resulting in some
of the errors previously reported).

How are the shared lib versions my applications expects supposed to
sync with those on the target system? Do I have to link multiple
versions for customers of various OS levels?

-alan

-----------------------------
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Meta Software Corp		 Internet:  alan@metasoft.com
125 Cambridgepark Dr
Cambridge, MA 02140  USA	      
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16410 comp.human-factors:2154
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:44:31 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

> That is one advantage when using a mouse---the left hand is free to do
> other things.

I'm right handed and use my mouse with my left hand. This is so obvious and
yet most right handed people use the mouse with their right hand. This has the
disadvantage that most right handed peoples left hands aren't capable of much
(I just have to look around the office for proof of this) and as such they
dedicate all their time to the mouse. Me? well I can keep my right hand on the
keyboard and manipulate it fine (it's just over the return/cursors/other useful
keys). Whenever I explain this to people they understand but can't be bothered
putting the effort into learning to use a mouse with their left hand (doesn't
take long). I *HAD* to learn - I burnt my right hand with a frying pan a few
years back and wanted to use a computer during my week off work, so I had to
learn to use my left hand, I also learnt to write with my left hand (very
badly). BTW, my mouse is configured for a right handed person so that anyone
(read right handed) can come and use my screen. The converse argument also
applies to left handed people (this sentence included for the nit pickers).

snail@lsl.co.uk      

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner)
Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
Organization: San Jose State University, Math & CS
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:41:12 GMT

In article <pb.716197371@atperf.idca.tds.philips.nl> pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer) writes:
>From: pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer)
>Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
>Date: 11 Sep 92 07:42:51 GMT
>X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone
>
>In <1992Sep9.181720.6368@ra.msstate.edu> borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert) writes:
>
>>I assume there are no free X term emulators on the internet.  Are my 
>>choices only DESQview/X and Hummingbird for the PC?  Wouldn't a used Sun 3/50 
>>or 3/60 make a cheaper X term for a company than a 386+ PC with ethernet
>>card and X term software?

The Sun's make a good X terminal - if you can find one.  A year ago you
could find 3/50's at about $500 or so with color monitor.  But Sun wants
these puppies out of circulation and has been working hard to get them
turned in for SPARC machines.  So the used 3/xxx market seems to have
shrunk to nothing.  Great if you have one, though - just get the Xkernel
and set it up for remote boot from your host.

One quibble on the DV/X reference.  DV/X cannot run under Windows.  It
can run Windows as a client, but only in Standard mode (not 386 enhanced).
Problem is that MS made Windows in 386 mode a non-compliant DPMI server.

>Dec does sell a product name eXcursion. This is a package giving Xwindows
>functionality under MSWindows.
>I just now the product is there, I do not use it so I cannot give additional
>details.

Don't forget PC-XView for Windows and XVision for Windows.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rfrazier%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert Frazier)
Subject: X Animation info request
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:21:51 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: World


        Past requests for information on this subject have failed, but I will
try again.

        I am interested in fast, flicker free animation.  I have heard of a
color table swapping method.  I have also heard of an offscreen pixmap xoring
method.  Both of these methods I believe, only draw and remove changing
portions of the screen.

        Could someone please direct me towards example source code, or tell
me the basic idea behind either of these methods.  I am quite capable with
unix and X application programming.

        Thanks,
	R. Todd Frazier
	rfrazier@peruvian.utah.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan)
Subject: Something OTHER than TCP/IP?????
Summary: Need X Dev system on MVS OTHER than TCPIP...
Keywords: MVS TCP/IP TCPIP
Organization: LESC
Date:  8 Sep 92 13:48:03 GMT



	My organization would like to know if there are any other
    X Development environment(s) available for MVS/ESA >>OTHER<< than 
    TCP/IP!?!?

	Please reply to egan@blkbox.com OR follow-up post. 

Thanx in advance.
Doug
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)
Subject: Font compression in X11R[56] (Was: Re: compression of pcf fonts?)
Originator: tmcconne@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:16:56 GMT


In article <thomas.714549919@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de>, thomas@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (Thomas Eberhardt) writes:
> scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen) writes:
> 
> >In the R4 world I used to have all my snf fonts compressed.  I have tried this 
> >with the pcf fonts in R5 and found that mkfontdir craps out.  Is this true,
> 
> I've added support for compressed bitmap fonts to X11R5 by integrating some
> stuff I found in mit/server/os/decompress.c into the font library.  One
> can find the necessary patches on export.lcs.mit.edu in
> contrib/compressed-fonts-patches.Z
> --
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> Thomas Eberhardt                 | Universitaet Bremen, FB 3, Postfach 330 440
> Koelner Str. 4, W-2800 Bremen 41 | W-2800 Bremen 33, Germany
> Phone: +49 421 472527            | FAX: +49 421 218-4236

  Is compressed .pcf font support going to be in a future X11R5 patch, or part
of X11R6? It certainly seems useful enough.

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: Help with X(t)GrabPointer()...
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:16:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.135732.1@pa621a.inland.com> solomon@pa621a.inland.com (Paul J. Solomon) writes:
>I need to be able to grab the mouse pointer, click on some element in
>my application, and return the widget underneath the cursor.  I am
>currently using XGrabPointer() and a loop with XCheckTypedEvent() to
>pull out the next ButtonPress. 
>
>I seem to be having problems with the pushbutton itself:  after the
>XGrabPointer is called, whenever I then choose a pushbutton widget, either
>the button's callback gets called, or the button just stays highlighted
>after being clicked on (depending on how I process the events).

Some things to try:
(1) make sure "owner_events" in the ...Grab... call is False.
(2) process the events by rewriting the Xt main loop to
    check for the ones you want, rather than using 
    XCheckTypedEvent.
(3) (This is what I would do....)
    a - create and map an InputOnly window which covers the screen.
    b - solicit ButtonPress events from it.
    c - rewrite the Xt main loop to watch for button presses from
        your InputOnly window.
    d - When you get the ButtonPress event, start with root_x, 
        root_y, and the root window id.   Carry out a sequence
        of XTranslateCoordinates operations, and exploit the
        fact the each one of those operations returns a child
        window (the point being to descend the window hierarchy
        to the leaf window containing the mouse-click.
    e - Get rid of the InputOnly window.
    f - Translate the leaf window ID to a widget id.

Ollie Jones
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16471 comp.unix.aix:9532
From: pete@frosty.Rational.COM (Pete Coe)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.aix
Subject: mit X11R5 server on RS6000/AIX3.2
Summary: Cannot get xinit to work on AIX
Keywords: X X11R5 AIX RS6000
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:55:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.x

We are trying to get the mit X11R5 server built for our RS/6000's.  What we have
ended up with is a server that appears to work, but an xinit that will not talk
to it.  Typing xinit brings up a server, but a log file for xinit indicates that
the server is not accepting connections.  However you can target xterm's etc to
the display.  Eventually xinit gives up and kills the server.  We have upto
patch 17, but nothing seems to affect this.  Does anybody have some idea of what
to do about this.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x