HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:07:25 GMT
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

stu5s11@bcrka280.bnr.ca (David Simmons 1342678) writes:
[...]
> There's actually a third semi-solution. If you type
> Shift-Command-X-O on booting, it boots from a ROM disk.
> You can then put your application on a floppy and use
> it only for the floppy.

Only on Classics. Not much use if you have a lab full of LCs.

> What I'd like to see is a special disk that you insert
> and sllows you to boot of a network. Something like
> UNIX workstations do, where there are diskless nodes
> that contain no hard disk storage, and everything
> is read of a network server.

You can get cards now for the LC (at least) which let you do
this.

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University of Otago,            Phone: +64 3 479-8179
Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.           Fax:   +64 3 479-8311
Segmentation fault - core dumped
From: Laurie Carlson <honoluluweek@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:21 PDT
Subject: Re: Icons on startup
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul15.220316.26062@ctr.colum:-762436076:cdp:1364900035:000:83
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!honoluluweek    Jul 23 22:21:00 1992


The first place to look may be the manual for the video card you're using...

matt

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ccw@prefect.uucp (26554-wood)
Subject: Current version of MacTCP?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:29:58 GMT

Can someone tell me what version of MacTCP is current?  I am about to
install MacNFS, which came with version 1.1.  Will this work with System
7? 32bit addressing?  Thanks!

Chris Wood

Chris Wood     Bellcore     ...!bellcore!prefect!ccw
                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com




Chris Wood     Bellcore     ...!bellcore!prefect!ccw
                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mcoyne@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: HD extents tree problem
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:42:39 GMT

Perhaps someone can help me. I have run Norton's Disk Doctor v.2.0 and 
am getting the following message:

	"A part of the disk's extents tree (node #1) was found to
	contain some invalid information (incorrect FABN). NDD cannot
	fix this problem"

I just had my hard disk reformatted so am curious to know what caused 
this problem and how to correct it. I would be grateful for any advice 
that anyone can offer. I'm running a IIci 5/105 on system 7.01 with 
1.1.1 tune-up.

Thanks.

Michael Coyne
Memorial University of Newfoundland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Finder hack to show disk free space in kilobytes?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:39:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul12.021405.1574@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert E. Winston) writes:
>
> > Sometime after System 7 came out, someone posted a hack to
> > make the Finder show the used and available disk space at
> > the top of a window in kilobytes instead of megabytes. I
> > just got a new machine and I seem to have deleted info of
> > the hack so I'm asking if anyone recalls what needs to be
> > done.
>
>At umich try:
>mac/utilities/organization/finder7menus.sit.hqx
>mac/utilities/organization/finder7patches.cpt.hqx

Or issue #100 of TidBITS, (the last HyperCard edition) has a lot of
these kind of tricks in it, including this one.

It works for me on System 7.0 (not 7.0.1)

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
From: tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Missing SCSI link
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:57:56 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Hmm... it would seem that my Mac Crate (please, don't laugh), has once 
again crashed. However, it still boots up, you can hear everything 
working like it's supposed to... but no flashing LED and it won't start 
up. I tried connecting it to another machine and used SCSI-Probe, and it 
wasn't listed nor would it mount... Tried using a friends Norton Utill... 
Still didn
't recognize that there was another device on the chain.
What gives? Any help, ideas etc greatly appreicated..

Tom Buzzeo              tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
From: Laurie Carlson <honoluluweek@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:44 PDT
Subject: Re: Do I have a Hard Disk Problem?
Nf-ID: #R:dog.ee.lbl.gov:24615:cdp:1364900037:000:296
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!honoluluweek    Jul 24 16:44:00 1992


>If I just let Disk Repair try to fix the problem, am I risking screwing
>up my hard disk?

Well, it depends on whether Norton is kosher with its partitioning scheme.
Any Symantec people out there? Apple People in the Know?

(i bet Mac the Knife would know... he's my idol)

...NOT!

alohas
matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: WNT and VMS
From: tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:32:12 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Jul27.135706.6242@python.microcom.com>, 
short@microcom.com (Todd Short) writes:
> Gavin Adams writes:
>> Gaack!  Say it ain't so!  From the sepcs. I've seen, WNT has a lot of
>> features found in VMS.  As some say, WNT = VMS++;
> Oops! My mistake, you're right Windows NT does have that VMS DEC guy working on it.
> 

Shouldn't this be: (WNT == (VMS >> 1))  ??

VMS++ would seem to be VMT  :-)

Jonathan/tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: john@granada.mit.edu (John Olson)
Subject: Problem with System 7 on IIsi
Keywords: System 7, IIsi, help
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:53:55 GMT

Several Macintoshes around here have recently had system 7
installed, and a few people are having problems.  In each case
it's a IIsi that's unhappy; I don't know the details of each machine,
but other models seem to work happily enough.

Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing?  The worst case
is just across the hall from me.  The machine had been crashing
each morning on startup; then, yesterday, she tried changing the
window border colors using the colors control panel, and now it
will not start up at all.  The happy mac icon appears, but nothing
more occurs, until we eventually give up.  She has managed to
boot from a floppy disk with System 6, so data is salvageable, but
this is not very helpful.

I can get more detailed information if needed; at the moment, I'm
wondering if anyone else has encountered this or if it's unique to
my department.  Please send me email, because I don't get to
read this group very often.  Thanks!

John Olson
john@segovia.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Invisible Folder "Move&Rename", what is it?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<mwalker-220792093919@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:50:06 GMT

Mel> == Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com> 

 Mel> So how does one get "Move&Rename" not to show up in StandardFile dialogs?

Don't use file sharing?  :-)  (Unfortunately, that's about it...)
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10254 comp.sys.mac.apps:12253
From: whitmore@iastate.edu (Kurt D Whitmore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Word_5_Sys_Resources_R-installing_Sys_7
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:13:30 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Does re-installing system 7 negate the system resources added during
installation of Word 5. The MTExtra fonts are there of course, but
what about the other change(s).

kw
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Dvorak Keyboard Questionaire
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:55:15 GMT

In article <11984.2A7509EF@psycho.fidonet.org> Jim.Curran@f30.n377.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Curran) writes:
> /a
> /er
> /ar
> 
> 
> 
> 

Wait... let me guess... looks like another QWERTY typist to me!

(Sorry, couldn't resist! :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ccw@prefect.uucp (26554-wood)
Subject: Current version of MacTCP?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:55:51 GMT

Can someone tell me what version of MacTCP is current?  I am about to
install MacNFS, which came with version 1.1.  Will this work with System
7? 32bit addressing?  Thanks!

Chris Wood

Chris Wood     Bellcore     ...!bellcore!prefect!ccw
                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com

Subject: Current version of MacTCP?
From: cvtoy@ux5.lbl.gov (Charmaine Toy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk and TaiwaneseTalk 7.0.1? Where?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:39:35 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: cvtoy@ux5.lbl.gov (Charmaine Toy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.116

>
>They do not exist.  The final, full, complete, official,
>the-way-Apple-is-really-going-to-do-it, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die
>implementation of all four two-byte scripts for System 7 will be
>WorldScript, which will be released with System 7.1, which, I am told,
>is supposed to come out in the fall.  
>
>----
>
>John H. Jenkins
>John_Jenkins@taligent.com
>

What is this WorldScript exactly?  Will it include characters for both
Japanese and Chinese?  Or will we also buy some special font package
in addition to WorldScript?


Thanks for your responses in advance.

Charmaine Toy
cvtoy@ux5.lbl.gov
From: aslt@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Appleshare and sys7?
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:23:48 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Hi all,

We are having an interesting discussion and the following 
question has arisen.  I had thought that, with system 7, 
Apple had rolled what was formerly a separate package 
called Appleshare into System.  My partner says that 
Appleshare is still being sold.  

Our question is: if we buy Appleshare and install it on our 
network, what will it give us over and above what 
we already have with System 7?

Thanks.  E-mail replies welcome.

Lee
From: Laurie Carlson <honoluluweek@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:40 PDT
Subject: Re: Sticky Mouse Problem
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul12.063203.16701@leland.st:79920089:cdp:1364900036:000:226
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!honoluluweek    Jul 24 16:40:00 1992


>... As an experiment, try plugging it into the system unit...

It is. It still happens. I notice the problem (no MouseUp) happens mostly
in Quark 3.1 for me.. but then again i spend 90% of my mac time in Quark..

alohas
matt
From: Leland.J.Gershell@dartmouth.edu (Leland J. Gershell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Chinese System 7 Software
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:25:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I am looking for the latest version of the Chinese system version. 
There are two kinds; one with simplified characters (used in the PRC)
and one with traditional characters (used in Taiwan, Hong Kong). The
recent developer's CDs don't have either of these, and the latest
versions I know of (but can't get) are 6.0.7 and 6.0.6, respectively.

The System 7 versions should be coming out soon; I heard that the
beta-test is already finished. If anyone knows anything about this test
version, or when the 7 version is expected for release, I'd appreciate
that you mail me:

gershell@mac.dartmouth.edu

Thanks in advance.
--Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Invisible Folder "Move&Rename", what is it?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:59:38 GMT


so what is this invis file []AE[] temp?  It's on the desktop and empty.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: martin@DMI.USherb.CA (Jean-francois Martin)
Subject: System 7.1 free please!!!
Reply-To: martin@DMI.USherb.CA
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. De Mathematiques et D'Informatique
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:36:56 GMT

Hi everybody, Hi Apple (are you listening?),

Please Apple, don't charge something for Quickdraw GX or AppleScript. Those things
are essential for everybody. If you, Apple, start to break system into part, the
mac market will become a mess (it is already one with system 6.0.X and 7.0.X).

So please Apple, don't sell those essential parts of the system. Everybody need
it!

JF Martin
Mac owner since 1985.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: ResEdit ics# editor bug
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:47:02 GMT

Nigel Pearson, nigel@socs.uts.edu.au complains:
>	Has anyone else been unable to use the graphical editor for a small
>icon (ics#) resource on a monochrome Mac? My copy of ResEdit complains
about
>needing Color QuickDraw to edit it. Aren't ICN# and ics# meant to BE b&w?

Yeah, welcome to the real world.  I do my work on a PB100 too and
the inability to edit ics# is a frustration.  My solution...

o Create a small icon SICN (which is actually a list of them).
o Put two small icons in the list.
o Make the first one the icon and the second one the mask.
o Make sure you get it right 'cause it's a pain to change.
o Open the SICN using the hex editor, copy all the data.
o Create an ics# and open it using the hex editor.
o Paste the hex data in.

Works for me (-:

Quinn "The Eskimo!"   <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>  "Real Coke, Diet .sig"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Windows NT (Not a flame.)y
From: goblec@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:53:51 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Jul21.124631.8584@msc.cornell.edu>, maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
> I've just read the latest Microsoft Systems Journal which contains two
> articles on Windows NT. Man, this is beautiful technology. 
>
>  [discussion of NT skipped]
>
>  Will Apple have to face the inevitable, and become a sort of high level
> utility provider company, selling modules for the WinNT kernel that give it
> a decent user interface with all the Mac customizability and ease of use we
> expect?

That was what Pink was supposed to be, or so I thought.  But now from what I
have heard Pink is more or less going by the wayside.  At least that is 
the impression I get from this week's MacWeek.  By that I mean that the OS
is to become more a specialized corporate OS.  It is actually kind of 
confusing, to me.  Is Pink going to be the next Mac OS?  What is the
relation of AIXt to this?    It seems like AIX will replace AUX and
will have the AUX hooks to the Mac OS so that Mac programs will run
on all AIX RS6000s.  I hope that I am merely misinterpreting things.  I
think a new generation needs to be there.  Something that cobines the
features of Newton, Unix, and other insights into the MacOS.

Personally my great hope for the IBM/Apple agreement was that perhaps
Apple would move to become more like a Microsoft with vision.  ie.
get out of the majority of the hardware business.  The agreement with 
Quorum for Unix running of Mac Apps would have been a great step.  But
I think that Apple wasn't thinking when they did it.

Ah well.  When Apple is good, they're great, but when they don't think they
pull some doozies.  Sometimes I wonder ifwhy Apple doesn't put enough people on
projects such as ComToolbox support etc.  C'est la vie.  I'd still take
it over Windows ANYDAY!
From: rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rob Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Locking a volume name...
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:17:49 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	Is there any way a mounted volumen's name can be locked so that it
cannot be changed by regular editing?  I have looked in the finder with
ResEdit, but havent come up with anything...I know it can be done, but
Im not sure how.  I would like to keep the volume with all-access, but
just keep people from changing its name...thanks for the help...

>>>>>------------------------->Rob Harris
email responses to:  rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu


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From: Bob_Andris@qm.is.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Andris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Users & Groups Data File - Trashed!
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:42:45 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Lockheed

1. Machine crashes (IIcx, IIfx) with file sharing turned on.
2. Running System 7.0.1 + Tuneup 1.1.1 - Only Apple inits, cdevs, rdevs.
3. Zap PRAM, replace System & Finder
4. Restart - turn on AppleTalk - Restart.
5. Double-click the "Sharing Setup" cdev to turn sharing back on.
6. Get a "Stop" dialog stating:
   "The Sharing Setup control panel could not be opened, because the
   Users & Groups Data File in the Preferences folder is bad.  Drag
   that file out of the Preferences folder and restart your computer."
7. Replace the Users & Groups file with a good copy & restart.
8. Turn on file sharing & it is good until the next restart.  Badd after
   that until its relaced again.

Has anyone seen this happen?  Got an idea as to the cause.  The fix?

Many Thanks,
          Bob
From: andyp@treehouse.UUCP (Andy Peterman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How to reduce the size of catalog/extent file?
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:35:56 GMT
Organization: The Treehouse

In article <jesse.711964420@square-crk> jesse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jesse Lee) 
writes
:
>Recently I downloaded more than one thousand files to my hard disk
>for temporary storage. Later I save them on floppies and delete them
>from my hard disk. Then I discover about 400K of my hard disk space is
>gone for the catalog file by running MacTools 2.0. I know as the number
>of files of my hard disk increases, the size of the catalog/extent file
>will grow. What I do not understand is as the number of files of my hard
>disk decreases, these files do not shrink in size.
>
>I know one method to recover those disk space: erase the hard disk and
>restore the files. But I certainly do not want to do it.

Re-initializing the volume is the only way to recover that space.  One of
the nice things about HFS is that the catalog is dynamic - it starts off
small (well, relatively small), but can grow if it needs to.  This is much
better than either starting off with an extremely large catalog or else
running out of room after creating a few thousand files.

After a new block has been created for the catalog, you can't really get
rid of it because there might be files still existing in it.  It would be
possible, but very difficult, to write a utility that would compress the
catalog down after you've deleted a bunch of files.  This would involve
messing with internal file system structures (B-Trees).  Hardliy worth the
trouble (and the potential for disater) to save 400K.
-- 
Andy Peterman                       
treehouse!andyp@gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com  
(916) 273-4569
From: russ@apple.com (Russ Donnan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Just what does ARA do for you?
Date: 17 Jul 92 01:20:02 GMT
Organization: Apple - Portables

Besides QuickMail and File Sharing I would add that I also use ARA for
XWindows and to make an X.25 connection to AppleLink.  I also use
DAL services for several on-line databases and connect to the license
server for several products.  ARA has opened the door to a whole new
world for me...

-Russ
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Senior Design Engineer, All In One Portable, Apple Computer
My views, not Apple's.
From: cj@eno.corp.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: new inside Macintosh?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: cj@eno.corp.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Organization: SGI TechPubs

---
wilde@hri.com (Scott Wilde) writes:
|On the other hand, by that sort of reasoning:
|
|	COST PER MEG
|Quantum 105  $4.09
|Wren 1.2G    $1.75
|
|So why doesn't everyone own a 1.2 Gig drive?

I dunno-- I'm certainly considering cost per meg as
I think about increasing my current on-line storage.

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"But writers are generally held in a second-class position in this 
industry, a position reflected in the amount of respect, involvement, 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Andreas Wuertz <wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, TIK
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     <7893@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> <14851@claris.com>
     <QeQCBge00WBMM6irxM@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:02:17 GMT

In article <QeQCBge00WBMM6irxM@andrew.cmu.edu> Donpaul C. Stephens,
ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>Why upgrade to 7.1 if we have to PAY for all the goodies that make it
>nice?  Its like saying: "OK, take a day, install 7.1 on all your

OK, I appologize again: I just PRESUMED the pieces would cost money,
because previous Apple Extensions did (QuickTime only, if you wanted
manuals). I have no information that they WILL. I was just so angry that
they split up the system again.

However, I HAVE information, that ATM will NOT be incorporated into
System 7.1.

I apologize to Apple and Taligent, because Apple is the company I 'grew
up with' (Apple ][) and the company I want to get old with (PowerPC?
Newton? Einstein IIci? :-))

But while I'm at it: what IS exactly going to be incorporated into System
7.1? I know of WorldScript and CPU-Extensions (possibility for upgrading
system when new CPUs are released).

Andy (wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: pegasus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Betty Lee)
Subject: Re: PowerOrgasm [help needed]
Organization: Stanford University -- Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:00:45 GMT

ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes: 

+ After all the dust has settled after the raging hoopla no one has
+ pointed out where the hack is to be found!  I can only fantisize so
+ long.  Harumph!

Wasn't it Obnoxious with the harry-met-sally sound?
Obnoxious is at archive.umich.edu, the sound is on Sumex.
At least that's what I've read in several posts.
Or did I skip a few that said this wasn't it?

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