From: Rebekah.Venable@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (Rebekah Venable)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 13:50:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

DK>  One of the most striking differences between
DK>  "creation-scientists" and real scientists is the way they go
DK>  about presenting their cases.

ED>         and...............

DK>     Just for the record, one can believe in Creation without being
DK>  a "creationist."  Most Christians (myself included) believe firmly
DK>  that God created the universe and everything in it.  I suppose
DK>  that technically makes them creationists.

ED>         as well as................

DK>  However, the word "creationist" has come to mean someone who
DK>  believes that the universe was created less than 10,000 years
DK>  ago,

ED>     I have long considered myself a "creationist" who accepts the
ED>     fossil records that have been found over the years. If more are
ED>     found, GOOD, and I hope it adds to our knowledge of the Earth and
ED>     the Universe. If one attempts to prove the age of this Earth or
ED>     this Universe by counting the begats in Scripture, then one is
ED>     using Scripture for not what it was intended. The Bible is NOT a
ED>     science textbook! It is however, God's additional revelation of
ED>     Himself to Mankind. (He firstly reveals Himself through His
ED>     creation.) Pun intended<g>

DK>  that there was a literal Noachim flood,

ED>     This is highly debated from the archaeological evidence that we
ED>     know of today. (who knows what evidence tommorrow will bring to
ED>     this issue.)

DK>  and that Adam and Eve were not descended from other living
DK>  creatures.

ED>     Again, Scripture does not speak to this allegation. Scriptue does
ED>     say that "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." What
ED>     it does not say is how God changed the "dust" into man. Was it
ED>     immediate? Was it instantaneous? Were there intermediate
ED>     stages? I contend that Scripture does not teach this! Scripture
ED>     DOES teach that God created man, but the process is not described.

ED>     It seems to me, that for the Evolutionist to examine the fossil
ED>     record and then "jump" to the conclusion that this all started (The
ED>     Big Bang) as an accident, almost requires as much faith as faith
ED>     in God! I say almost, for the indwelling faith in God, as taught in
ED>     Scripture, takes the almighty power of The Holy Spirit.

ED>     How then can I ever hope to convince an unbeliever to have faith in
ED>     God through scientific evidence? Never! I do not have that power.
ED>     But, I do have the power of love (in Greek it's AGAPE) that
ED>     permits me to reveal God's love to the unbeliver that leads to
ED>     saving faith. "Just let me tell you of my Jesus." That is all I
ED>     ask. <BG>

DK>  1.)  Bruce resorts to an argument mode called "ad hominem," which
DK>  is Latin for "to the man."  That is, he attempts to discredit the
DK>  theory of evolution by attacking those who believe in it.

ED>BH   > You may also consider that the Creation model is not rejected
ED>BH   > many because it doesn't fit the observable facts, but rather
ED>BH   > because it requires a personal Creator, which is not acceptable
ED>BH   > to the Humanism that is the order of the day in our
ED>BH   > educational system.

DK>    You see, here he manages to insinuate that those who reject a
DK>  young Earth do so not because they are honest scientists, but
DK>  because they don't want to believe in God.  This kind of argument
DK>  is insulting, false, and not scientific.

ED>     But Scripture teaches that Mankind cannot believe in God through
ED>     his own power. Man is blind to God! I agree with Bruce only to
ED>     that point. I say that Man is blind and cannot come (believe or
ED>     know) to God. Is that insulting, false, and not scientific? If you
ED>     say "yea", then I'm sorry but that is not my intent.

ED>My credentials: Just a servant the loves The Lord.....

        I just want to say that I agree with you totally and I wish there were more people who thought like you, but unfortunately there aren't (at least not in this conference).  I am also just a servant that loves the Lord.....
                                Rebekah - Taipei, Taiwan

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