HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: qua@microunity.com (Henry Massalin)
Subject: Re: Hi!
Distribution: world
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:16:55 GMT

litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Assasin's Guild) writes:
> sb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes
> > [A wonderful introduction and welcome...sushi...piggy-back rides...]
>
> Hey, I've got to meet this guy then...
>
Can be arranged...  If you're ever in the bay area, send email!

> The only problem is the sushi [...] can't afford [...] all the sushi
> I can eat

Ahhh...  The trick is to find an all-you-can-eat sushi place.  There is
a very good one in New York on 72 ST. off of Broadway, and I recently
found an OK one in San Fransisco (Market, btw 15th and 16th).  Maybe
there is one near where you live.  [Can anyone add to this list?  Email
me with recommendations; I'll summarize.]

> I'm assuming that Jenneke's introductory paragraph means you haven't
> been here before.

Actually, I had posted once before - two (?) years ago - and had been duly
welcomed.  Does that count? :-)

> So, do you read news here often?

On and off.  Looks like I may be reading more regularly now.  :-)

	Henry
	*jumps up and down happily*
	*offers a piggy-back ride to whomever wants one*

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:56:36 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>I think I also don't particularly convey some of the things others in this
>group (Mike and Kay, for example) convey which could lead to getting
>doozymail ...  (thankfully? I'm not sure).  I'm not sexy.  I'm blunt and
>(sometimes) controversial, etc etc etc ... 

(Blunt?  Not really.  Like me, the only short stuff Roy writes is fluff.
Maybe "direct" avoids the incorrect overtone.)

But since you asked (in an earlier post!  Thank any nearby Deity I'm no
longer The Most Proficient Poster hereabouts - I was beginning to feel
that everyone would be sick of the sight of my name), yep, I still get
lurker-mail.  Last must have been a day or two back.  And I have never
yet received what I would call doozymail.  Having said that, I'm enough
of an optimist to search out the best in people :-) I'd say the nearest
thing to a defining charateristic of the lurker-mail I get is youth.
Not necessarily a time issue, of course - more an attidue and expression
one.  Even that is not completely ubiquitous.  And yes, a lot of them
*do* get in touch about confusion, or something related.  It must be the
way I'm so full of myself that I come across as having a clue.  In fact,
it's more a talent to waffle coherently and inoffensively on almost
anything ("Bullshit to any size and colour" is my motto).

I think I can say that I've enjoyed every piece of unsolicited mail I
have received.  There are advantages in being a wimp (Gus take note :-).
Nobody ever bothers to flame someone who tries so hard to avoid offence.

As for the self-projection issue, I guess it is very audience-dependent
too.  When I first proposed the theory, I did put in a caveat about "to
a careful reader", where careful roughly translates to those who can,
and care to, read people.  It's hardly an effort - just something we all
do, and some people (I am very far from the only one) seem to get it
right a lot of the time.  'Course, to be (a) on the net and (b) in this
forum, we do have a certain amount of preordained common ground.

hugs
Mike, who is taking careful notes on the foibles and follies of all
soc.bi posters (NOT! :-)
-- 
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      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: See Roy?
Keywords: Here I am!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:53:13 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <bqp29x=@rpi.edu> safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:

>-><Grumble> <Blows smoke ring.> Well, I guess so... _was_ fun seeing the look
>->on your face. (so to speak) When do we get to see you in a dress now? ;)

>Well, dear, I _was_ tied down ... Didn't have much choice in the matter, etc
>etc etc ... 

>Honey, my only objection to CDing is how I think I would look in a dress (I
>know Charles Haynes.  Charles Haynes is a personal acquaintance of mine.
>I'm no Charles Haynes.).  

>Considering the fact that both my personality and my body are fairly
>bearish, I have conceded this and gone on to realize that sweatpants and
>t-shirts are m'thing.  If I ever have a body conducive to CDing I'll let you
>know, though :)

>Then again, have you ever measured how quickly you can take off sweatpants
>and a t-shirt?

For your enjoyment, we recently have conducted the following survey,
 -> How fast can the following clothes be removed:

 o Sweatpant and T-shirt?
   <Rrrrrip!>
   .7 seconds.

 o Dress slacks and shirt?
   <Rrrrrip!>
   .7 seconds.

 o Evening dress?
   <Rrrrrip!>
   .7 seconds.

 o Nothing?
  <...>
  0 seconds.

I think these results fairly much speak for themselves.  Don't you agree?
The following additions may be useful to know... underclothing has been
known to add an additional .1 to .2 seconds to removal time.  Highly elastic
bras even more.  Never try to remove clothes from an unwilling participant.
And please folks, do not try this at home, we're professional idiots (read,
engineer).

>-roy

>-- 
>Roy S. Rapoport     internet: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu      bitnet: rsrsoda@ucbocf
>"What I used to think is me ... is just a faded memory ... " -NIN
>DISCLAIMER:  I speak for the University of California at Berkeley.  Rrrright.

-Points
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Attack of the Seperatists
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:45:20 GMT

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:


>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:

>That because we are men, there is no way
>that we can truly understand.  You are in part doing to us, what
>you claim we are doing to you.  How can you claim to know us so 
>well, yet turn around and tell us that we can't understand what
>it's like to be female.

I do think that because mens experiences growing up in soceity are
very different to womens, that men cannot fully appreciate the depth
of hurt women are caused.  So I will continue to claim that you
can not truly understand.  However I would never claim to understand
what it is like to be male.  I believe society causes men a very
great deal of pain as well - the pressure to be strong, to succeed,
to be non-emotional.  I guess in an evaluation the material results
are better for men than for women - and I can`t claim to understand
the emotional impacts.

But what bothers me most, in discussions with anti-feminists, is 
a constant insistence that feminism is an anti-male movement.  To
me, feminism is a movement about women, for women. It cannot
be defined in terms of men.  Why do I so rarely here men countering
perceived attacks on themselves, with the parallels in their own
lives, as opposed to dismissing feminism and feminists.  

I will re-iterate, I felt that Vikkis attack on Roy was unwarranted,
but I was equally annoyed by the counter attacks, that seeked to dismiss
Vikki as a feminist, and as a separtist, as opposed to simply countering
her views as a person.

Why so much anger... I would like this to be a place that I too feel
comfortable.  We all know how tough it is to find a sense of bi
community.  Increasingly in the last months, I have found that I
do not feel comfortable here as a woman, and naturally that is a
very important part of my identity.  

In general I try to keep my posts to things that I think are of bi-
relevance, and I know in general this thread does not have much
if any bi-relevance, except perhaps to me.  I like men, I am attracted
to men, I enjoy men, but more and more I find myself distancing myself
from men, and becoming more integrated in the lesbian community.  So
much so that I am currently invovled in a relationship, where I have
not yet told the individual that I am bi.  That is a first for me, and
it hurts.  I would like to see evidence that there are more men, as you
would have it, that do understand womens issues.  I do not
find this evidence on this group in general, though there are a number
of notable examples, who I believe would have enough confidence in 
their own views, that they would know who they are, without my spelling
it out.

And this is my last word ......  


Iseult.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: an2072@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Hello World - 
X-Anonymously-To: soc.bi
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:54:22 GMT

Hello to all of the net posters to whom I feel so akin to, but
until now have never been able to speak directly to!  I'm on
my trek to a full fledged coming out, but haven't yet been
able to break through all the way - But thanks to this
Anon serving vehicle, I can at last break in with some
warm e-hugs !

Being in here gets me through the day, knowing there are so
many people out there who feel as I do - making me feel like
I belong somewhere.. again thanks to you all for being there
and you can respond to this account and I'm told it will find
it's way back to me!

I would very much like to hear from some folks out there!
BTW ima Bi White Male - mid 30's - 

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Keywords: grovel, grovel
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.024821.20988@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>I am _so_ sorry about that--I realized just after my
>fingers hit the _send_ keys--too late to abort--that
>I'd included the _entire_ posting I was replying to
>in front of my own.  And I'm reading on a 1200 baud
>modem, so I _know_ how painful it is...

<smirk> Well, I may have dismal hair, but...

>I'm really, really, really, really sorry.

Awww, ok, you're forgiven and snuggled, you no-doubt excellently-haired
Piglet, you!  *smooch*  Anyone who has to live at 1200 deserves every
bit of sympathy she can get.

Would I swap my yummy workstation and 19200 baud connexion for Mike's
beautiful hair?  Errrr..  um.  Yes, actually I would :(

>Piglet  (see, if the phone hadn't rung while I was
>         editing it the first time, the computer

Never edit telephones, Piglet.  It's contrary to the Telecommunications Act.

>         wouldn't have hung up on me, and I wouldn't
>         have had error-recover in such a dumb-ass
>         way....)

*snicker* I BET YOU'RE USING VI, TOO!  HAH!


				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Re: This Whole Penis Thing ...
Organization: as little as possible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:43:40 GMT

The_Devine_Dolly (iw@tosser.Rational.COM) wrote:
 
: I think a leather dildo, which has other wonderful associations......

Hmmmmm, why does the phrase "don't have a cow" come to mind?

Long ago I had a leather bicycle seat - a little hard to get used to
but once it had molded to the shape of your butt - wonderful.
I'll have to try a leather one.  Serious question - cleaning it?


Cheers
N.
-- 
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a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.  His own
good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.   John Stuart Mill

Nigel Burnett: 78 Normandy Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4L 3K3, 416-690-1834
Send e-mail to nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca or try uunet.ca!kink!kathunk!nigel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Understanding (was Attack of the ...)
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:46:58 GMT


Albert Lunde wrote:
> Roughly, I would say that I think it is *possible* for men to understand
> women and women to understand men, and that it is a lot *easier*
> for women to understand men than vis-versa. (Because of the 
> assymetry of oppression.)

Possibly... I would say that it depends on the person involved.
I say this because I've had a lot of women say that they "don't
understand me." ;)

> I would rather be told that I don't understand than I can't understand.

Yes!!

> I think that as a man with aspirations to feminism I have a particular
> responsibility to listen to what women have to say.

I don't consider myself as one with apirations to feminism, but I do
agree that men have a responsibility to listen to what women have to
say, and vice versa (communication isn't a one-way street).

> I'm not confident the above expresses the role this might take 
> in discussion. I don't want to come across to the women
> of the world saying "educate me" or "convince me with logic of
> your experience".

Me either...

> I am trying to pay attention.

And articulating it very well (IMHO).


Another male trying to pay attention,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you/
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as/
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:49:57 GMT

In <1992Dec10.143839.2648@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
sredmore@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (S Redmore) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>I've just put it in the post. The special offer on it for this month is
>>50%-off on all hugs, so here goes:
>>	hu   hu   hu   hu   hu   hu   hu   hu   hu   hu  
>
>	FALSE ADVERTISING!!!!!!!! Damn you to postal fraud hell. That should
>	be 33%-off.

You are right in that "hu" is 33% off "hug" but it is 50% off "hugs".
Having said that, I recognise the ambiguity and will try to rectify the
matter in future advertisements.

>	Unless, of course, the word was "huge" and not "hug", but
>	if you take 50% of "huge", you get "small".  And nobody likes a small
>	one. :)

Not all of us are size queens. For instance, Mike is a brain queen,
and I know a particular person who is an ice-cream queen: he comes in
all flavours. :-)


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: De-muffining?? (was Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:33:10 PST(-800)
Organization: The White Bull
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Dec12.170505.7734@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> (soc.bi), gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Gothick) writes:
> 
> Woahhh, boy!  Let's all have a vote on this - does the simple act of posting
> to this group constitute de-muffining, folks?  *grin*

(Some very nice fluff deleted to save space.)
> 
> back...  But *I* don't think I de-muffined, m'dear...  I'm not too sure which
> way(s) I lean myself yet ;-)

Yes.  A muffin is someone who reads a newsgroup, but does not post.  It
has nothing to do with sexuality.  

> 
> Hugs to everyone out there... (And for those of you thinking of making your
> first post - *go for it*!)

Hugs back. 
> 
> Matt
> 
> xxxxx
> 

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:37:07 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>... and Karina looks 
>>*comely doubleplus* in a Greek Fishermans' cap (sneak preview of a dyke look, 
>>Kar? %^)
>
>Greek Fisherman's cap?  I *W*A*N*T* ONE!   NOW!!  And not just so that I
>could be mistaken for either a dyke, or Karina, were I to have one.

   I think the brief followup I made to this I while back got chomped by
the net, since I never saw it.

   I just wanted to say that Karina really challenges the idea of many
of the "dyke" stereotypes - extremely femme and extremely tough. I've
heard stories of her beating up black-belt lesbians in her self-defense
class... 8-P

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: thanks
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:19:39 GMT

Thanks for the welcome hugs.  Now that I finally posted here, I will
be away from my mail & news (eyaaaaaah! withdrawal!) for two weeks,
so I'll have to do the whole 700 articles at once thing all over
again, probably.  Sigh.  Hugs back to everyone...

	Cathy
	off to see the lizard
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Kansas -- a nice place to live, but you wouldn't want to visit there.
Unless your relative are there, as mine are.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley
Organization: Rational
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:47:57 GMT

STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:

>In article <Bz1wG5.6FL@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.214748.17392@thelema.uucp> STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:

>Oh, were you growling?  I thought you were _flirting_, trying to get
>me to grab the Heartwood (not as big, by far, as Size Matters, but the
>best whip I currently own) and fly to whatever part of the US is lucky
>enough to be on your itinerary.

And why is it called Heartwood?  Even more importantly how come you don't
have a bigger whip than macho thang Haynes?

Iseult.
From: s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Roy's "consenting" slave
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:44:18 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au


You men just don't get it huh?
From: un032230@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tanaqui is Employed!
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:56:01 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec9.012630.10672@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Unfortunately, something went wrong with my shell access on Nyx, and I can't
>use trn at the moment. So here I am on my ox.vax account, glowing because I've
> landed a writer's job at a CD-Rom publishing group (initial 3-month contract)
> and unfortunately not having time to use the Net all I want.
> 
> And yes, of course I asked at interview if they had email. The personnel
> officer said "Our email access here is: Upstairs and Downstairs". So, no
> new account |-)
> 

Youve become yet another victim of the nyx push to verified users only.  I 
can't do anythign there either, unti lthey ound to reading my forms an.

(pat pat) for the job!

un032230 aka cbazzie
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:01:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>
>Perhaps you should put yourself forward as party spokesperson?  I'd
>rather like to see you whipping Jeremy Paxman into shape :)

Ooh, don't, Kay, don't!  The *thought* of topping Jeremy Paxman (on
national TV or otherwise, I don't care) makes me cross my legs and think
of England ... second only in my media-based imagination to dreaming of
group sex with the sundry presenters of The Late Show, maintaining
cranial tittilation throughout by letting them witter on in their
wonderfully good-humoured and elitist way while I do my damndest to
break their individual composures ...

[Mike takes mental cold shower and reprimands himself for this unashamed
display of UKcentric brain fetishism]

>I'm strongly tempted to extend my wanderings Californiwards (after all,
>there is rather a large number of VR companies there).

Wha?  Bwahahuh?  You mean there's the *teensiest* chance you'll be out
on that coast on your trava(i)ls??

>*swoon* OK, OK, I'm coming to California. 

You *WILL*?!?!  Kay!  Honeybunch!  Include San Fran, I beg you!  I could
make space for you at my place for, oh, say 3 months, 4 at a pinch ...

(Are all the rest of you, Muffins et al, getting the impression that
some soc.bi types have a certain fondness for Master Crisco?  I'd been
maintaining a proper distance from the orgy of snuggling until now, but
that was just because I didn't think Kay D would be making to the other
ocean.)

hugs
Mike
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      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: un032230@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:56:04 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


> encouragement!
> ...thunderthunderrthunderthunder(sound of running
> feet)...LEAP..HURL..GRAB..HUGhugHUGhugHUGhugHUGhugHUGhugHUFGhugHUGhughUGhug
> HUGEhug.   Loverly, loverly muffin.  
> A muffin with questions, no less.
> Lets see..
> My friends don't think I'm gay, they think I'm wierd and they _expect_
> me to be different to them.  They are never surprised by anything I do/am
> because of this.  Anyones radar would pick up a tall silent girl with
> long red hair (sorry, dyed black just now) and dressed in old black lace
> from head to foot, and they would hazard guesses at all aspects of me
> based on their predjudices.  The usual one being that I must be a witch.
> 

Oh dear.  A red head who has fied her hair black....tsk tsk tsk.  There are few
things finer than a tall readhead in black...if there *are* things finer.