HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jwd@sunol.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:04:37 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.152926.16509@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu 
>writes:
>>I don't know, I would not want to see any more scumbags out there living
>>off of the
>>lives of productive people.  Interesting fact:  the US has 4% of the world's
>>population, 18% of the world's wealth ( No, I don't know where they got that.)
>>and 50 % of the world's lawyers.  Hmmmmmmm.

>        Oh, really?

>        Care to document that?  They tried to on misc.legal, but nobody
>could find a reference....

Try Dan Quayl (e). Seriously I recently read an article in the Wall Street
Journal that said this figure was based on the numbers of registered lawyers.
The trouble is that ALL U.S. lawyers have to pass the Bar and become
registered, while in many other countries (notably Japan) only a few get 
registered (about two percent in Japan) while the rest work in legal
departments headed by these *lawyers*. The total numbers of *legal workers*
is not actually so different from the U.S. Once again statistics
triumph over truth.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:36:17 GMT
Organization: sgi
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In article <Bw50tz.1uI@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
> I read a word "reichman" fro soc.culture.bitish a month or so ago. 
> Was that word a new invention under the new wave of  antigerman 
> sentment in UK?

Cute idea, but no.    Mr Reichman was a very notorious landlord
(we called him a slumlord) in London about twenty years ago.  He
charged high rents and cut off water and heat when people could
not pay them.    Where his surname came from I couldn't say.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1992Oct8.045145.8003@news.columbia.edu>
	<MDAY.92Oct8162723@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct8.225939.28821@news.columbia.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:33:35 GMT

   gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
   > mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   >   gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
	
	[analysis deleted]

   >I find this analysis rather shallow, unfortunately.  I think that
   >western medical practitioners have found little in "eastern medicine"
   >that is effective in western practice.  Acupuncture does produce

    [....]

	   I won't comment on your beginning sentense.  But you can be a
   bit more polite than that.  Make a good arguement, then you don't need
   further support by that kind of sentense.  If you have anything
   personal to say, then reply.  I am more than willing to reason.

Quite right.  I apologize for the snide remark.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1992Oct7.044243.9685@news.columbia.edu>
	<MDAY.92Oct7174115@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct8.042434.7216@news.columbia.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:43:17 GMT

   gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:

	   I guess the ultimate question is, what is science, and how
   should scientific data be interpreted.  Every scientific "facts" are
   based on assumptions, assumptions that are commonly accepted with or
   without knowing.  So what can be more scientific categorization?  If
   you believe that there's no difference between what people call race,
   then I accept your point (although your theory came about by
   disproving other's theory, not by "scientific and objective facts").
   But many scientists who assumed the existence of difference in race,
   will tell you that there are significant difference among difference
   race.  Of course all these facts were produced based upon assumption,
   but what isn't?

I don't think I have to answer "what is science" in order to
distinguish between "scientifically useful" and "scientifically
useless" distinctions.  (Just treat these terms as primitives and
ignore the "science" in the root).

A useful distinction is one that has the properties I've outlined
before: it is defined in a way such that almost all of the time, every
observer gets the exact same answer, and that answer has some
connection to a phenomenon of interest.  If you can put "race" into
that sort of framework, go for it.  (But please spare me the "what is
science" digression.)

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:53:12 GMT

paulko@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Konasewich) writes:

>ZhiZhong Zhang (zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu) wrote:

>: .. something to the effect that mainland Chinese and Taiwanese
>:    female students prefer to date mainland Chinese and Taiwanese
>:    males over American males.

>: ZZZ


>Maybe for a small portion of Chinese women, this is true, but overall, I
>just don't buy it. Maybe it's the part of the country that you live in,
>but on here on the West coast, I've seen lots of very attractive Asian
>women with Caucasian men. I find it hard to believe that these women
>can't get dates with Chinese men.

	But are you sure those Asian women were from mainland China
	or from Taiwan? If not, then your example does nothing
	to refute ZZZ's observation.

	It is a mistake to stereotype all Asians as a homogeneous
	group regardless of background (i.e. foreign student,
	immigrant, born here, etc) and ethnic origin (Korean,
	mainland Chinese, Japanese, Indian).

>On the other hand, maybe these women are OPEN MINDED and date by
>PERSONAL QUALITIES and not COLOR and RACE.

	Well, I suspect that language and culture are more 
	important determinants than color and race in the
	preference of mainland Chinese females to date other 
	mainland Chinese to Americans.

	Probably they are completely unbiased, and reject
	Asian Americans as potential dates at the same rate
	as White Americans.

>Sincerely, Paul Ko.

	-Larry Watanabe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1992Oct7.044243.9685@news.columbia.edu>
	<MDAY.92Oct7174115@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct8.045145.8003@news.columbia.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:27:23 GMT

   gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:

   I suppose then that you do not consider eastern medicine to be "real
   science."  The difference of eastern and western medicine lies in the
   difference of eastern and western philosophy.  Eastern medicine
   focuses on preventive medicine while western medicine is far from
   being preventive in comparison to its counterpart.  And of course,
   the advances of western medicine in their own way is a well known
   fact.  Two cultures approached medicine quite differently, and it is a
   shame that one is more dominantly accepted than the other.  Why do you
   think this happened?  Because westerners didn't think eastern medicine
   to be "scientific" enough.  Two different culturally-dependent
   scientists can view the counterpart's science as not scientific
   enough, or destruction of nature.  What I am trying to say is this:
   western science and its great discoveries are not independent of its
   culture.  In fact, those discoveries and its culture are inseparable
   entity. So how can science be culturally independent? How can 
   you rate the degree of objectivity? 

I find this analysis rather shallow, unfortunately.  I think that
western medical practitioners have found little in "eastern medicine"
that is effective in western practice.  Acupuncture does produce
anaesthesia, but in most cases it is not an attractive alternative to
conventional anaesthesia.  The Chinese use acupuncture for arthritis,
but no-one in the West seems to be able to get it to work.  I think
the conclusion at this point is roughly that apart from anaesthesia by
acupuncture, there are no objectively effective practices in Eastern
medicine.  This is not so different from Western medicine: there are
surprisingly few treatments that produce a definite improvement almost
all of the time.  Before the advent of ether anaesthesia, antibiotics,
and vaccination, Western medicine mostly consisted of trying to make
the patient comfortable and being preventive (that's what you do when
you can't actually do very much else).

I don't think it matters much whether you "believe" in Western or
Eastern medicine with the effective treatments: you can produce
anaesthesia in skeptics with ether or with needles.  But you do have
to believe in your doctor's medical methods for a placebo to work.

I'd welcome corrections from other people who know more (Tom Wu, are
you out there?)

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:32:58 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

> In article <87FgsB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>
> k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
> >...
> >This is great: less reliance on raw materials, and 
> >increased use of human intelligence.  The Japanese government or any of 
> >its agencies like MITI would not lose sleep over the fact that Japanese 
> >food products are not competitive on a world-wide basis.  They know that: 
> >70% of Japan's agricultural needs are imported.
> >...
> 
> Then, I presume that the MITI folks and Mr. Nakamichi favor an immediate
> opening of Japan's market to foreign rice.  As soon as Mr. Nakamichi
> returns home, he should immediately inform the LDP of his views.
> 
Although the official position taken may be that rice represents 
something sacred to the Japanese, reality is that rice import 
restrictions represent a political chess piece that the LDP can use to 
its advantage in the future.  As far as I'm concerned the political 
question is not whether Japan will open its market or not, but when it 
will do so, in exchange for what concessions, and whether the LDP will 
still retain its majority position after losing the support of the rural 
community.  Seeing that the LDP recently went through turmoil with the 
PKO (Peace Keeping Operations) issue, and is probably shaken up with the 
Sagawa Transportation scandal, any talk on the rice issue would appear to 
be in the distant future.  I can't see GATT negotiations having any 
effect on Japan's position.  Perhaps things will start to change when the 
US pushes through with a lot of bilateral trade agreements that result in 
tremendous discrimination that can no longer be tolerated.

I'd be pretty happy with Calrose rice myself :-).

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:06:53 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct9.195852.22495@beaver.cs.washington.edu> paulko@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko) writes:
>Danielle T Wei (dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>: (unless they're really desperate for a gcard)
>
>But this "Green Card" theory of Chinese and American inter-cultural relationships
>really bothers me.
>
>: Doubt it. trust me on this one: most (99%) chinese girls who date american men
>: do it for: greencards/money/get into the american mainstream
>: (no offense to the other 1%, which includes all of you guys)
>
>Without statistics showing that a significant percentage of such marriages
>are dissolved soon after the Chinese woman attains citizenship, and furthermore
>stats which take into account the failure rate for any given marriage in the US,
>I just don't believe this statement.

Well we'll also have to keep in mind that most Chinese girls are rather
traditional/conservative and therefore probably would not desert her
"green-card husband" (an exception of this is the girl that married a guy
called Huey Bonnie (spelling?))

>And for the record, the only Chinese girl (she grew up in Beijing) that I
>ever dated already had US citizenship.
>Oh yeah, and I'm not American. And I don't have money. And I'm not mainstream.
>So go figure.
>Very sincerely, Paul Ko.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I believe you this time :)
NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Dwight and American-cu?  NOT!!! (Was: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.133955.24993@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>   And one very American-cu named Dwight 
>   [ . . . ]

     You malign American-cu (1/2 :-).  Seriously, Dwight exhibits such
hatred and lack of understanding of basic democratic ethics as to classify
himself as Dwight-cu.  Many of the unadmirable faults he attributes to
Chinese-cu are in fact observable in his own attitudes moreso than the
Chinese-cu population at large.

> In article <1992Oct13.222855.17119@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:

> >     Sometimes it's hard to remember, particularly when others (no,
> >not anyone specifically) thinks she isn't because of the shape her eyes.

>   Thank you, George.

     Only too happy to oblige.

							George


----
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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: martial arts
Summary: !
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article AA25531@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ung-Ho Yi) writes:
->
->hello,
->i was wondering if any of you took martial arts in past or present
->and how do you feel about it?

Like mariage, it's been a love/hate relationship with me, but I will never
consider giving up.

->for me i took tak kwen do when i was in korea, actually i didn't like
->it, especially when i get hit.  i did enjoy the motions of kicking and
->punching, it looks graceful and nice.

I did it BECAUSE I liked it.

->well, when i came to u.s. a lot of kids ask me to show them how to kick,
-> this was about 1976 and i was in junior high school, 
->bruce lee was still popular at this time.  some times bigger kids would
->ask me to spire(?) with them.  luckly, i was able to get out of most of
->them, i was afraid to spire with the bigger kids, they might
->beat the crap out of me, i got punched in the face  once during that
->time.

No one has to know. Self preservarence is the ultimate goal here.
Helping others is good.

->after that i moved on to judo, i can't remember why?  i think it was because
->my mom didn't want me to get into trouble hanging around street.
->it was much less violent, but i still didn't like this,
->because i was expected to be a  very good in judo, but actually i 
->was just an average.
->
->from my experience, the martial arts was no fun.  
->however i think judo is ok.

So *you* like Judo. Then you have found a martial art that you prefer or
may be able to perform better than say Tae Kwon Do.

I prefer Chinese martial arts myself.

/New Dave
->yi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:51:45 GMT

In article <MDAY.92Oct7174115@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
[much deleted...]
>cultural construct, so we can drop that issue.  You do not actually
>provide any evidence for your claim that it is a biological construct.
>If your "biological" notion of "race" cannot, in fact, be separated
>from your cultural notion of race, then it is not biology.  Sorry.  I
>simply refuse to dignify a culturally-dependent pseudoscience with the
>name "biology".  I believe that most professional biologists would go
>along with me on this.
[rest of the article deleted]

	I don't think there exist "culturally-independent
realscience."  This is where our fundamental difference lies.  I
suppose then that you do not consider eastern medicine to be "real
science."  The difference of eastern and western medicine lies in the
difference of eastern and western philosophy.  Eastern medicine
focuses on preventive medicine while western medicine is far from
being preventive in comparison to its counterpart.  And of course,
the advances of western medicine in their own way is a well known
fact.  Two cultures approached medicine quite differently, and it is a
shame that one is more dominantly accepted than the other.  Why do you
think this happened?  Because westerners didn't think eastern medicine
to be "scientific" enough.  Two different culturally-dependent
scientists can view the counterpart's science as not scientific
enough, or destruction of nature.  What I am trying to say is this:
western science and its great discoveries are not independent of its
culture.  In fact, those discoveries and its culture are inseparable
entity. So how can science be culturally independent? How can 
you rate the degree of objectivity? 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:49:57 GMT

In article <SHAW.92Oct6204751@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>wouldn't even play Michael Jackson songs on "white" radio stations.  Now,
>you'll have plenty of people of all races willing to say that they find
>Prince or Janet Jackson attractive.

  Ack!  Where???  With all that mondo plastic surgery and bizzaro make-up?
  I think Janet Jackson was cuter when she was a kid.  For attractive,
  try Whitney Houston...  though she just got married.  I can also think
  of plenty of men more attractive than Prince.  Denzel Washington comes
  to mind...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9654 soc.culture.europe:8976 soc.culture.usa:7841
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:25:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct15.191353.4739@dscomsf.desy.de> Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de writes:
>
>While it is true that the Chinese had used black powder for a couple of 
>centuries before it became known to the Europeans, and sometimes in military
>applications, it is fairly obvious that the Mongols didn't bring it to
>Europe. Black Powder and gunnery started up in Europe in the late 14th 
>century while the Mongol incursions into Europe took place in the early 13th.

From what I learned in an European History class, the gun powder was
introduced to Europe by the Arabs after the Crusades.. But then again,
the Arabs (maybe some Europeans too, remember Europeans<>ArrogantGermans)
probably got the powder from the Mongol invasions..

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:52:18 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct8.223707.13013@beaver.cs.washington.edu> paulko@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Konasewich) writes:
>ZhiZhong Zhang (zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu) wrote:
>: when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
>: get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
>: who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
>
>Maybe for a small portion of Chinese women, this is true, but overall, I
>just don't buy it. Maybe it's the part of the country that you live in,
>but on here on the West coast, I've seen lots of very attractive Asian
>women with Caucasian men. I find it hard to believe that these women
>can't get dates with Chinese men.

A few possibilities here Paul:

1> Most of those "Chinese men" are like the younger Arthur_Wu and find
Caucasian women more attractive :-)
2> You're from Washington State, as far as I can remember, there are not
a lot of schools out there and therefore does not attract very many Chinese
(especially young Chinese males/students)
3> I believe ZZZ is talking about Chinese-born girls/students here in the U.S.
Naturally they prefer Chinese men (unless they're really desperate for a gcard)
4> american men do not understand beauty :)

>On the other hand, maybe these women are OPEN MINDED and date by
>PERSONAL QUALITIES and not COLOR and RACE.

Doubt it. trust me on this one: most (99%) chinese girls who date american men
do it for: greencards/money/get into the american mainstream
(no offense to the other 1%, which includes all of you guys)

>Sincerely, Paul Ko.
 ^^^^^^^^^ yeah right

NW
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:22:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Oct12.144247.857@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
|> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
|> >
|> >This is obviously not true in all cases, but from my experience, 
|> >the CM that are going out with AF are simply Dorky, Geek, or Nerdy.
|> 
|> My own experience here out east (Toronto, Montreal, New York) is that
|> the couple's attractiveness is usually proportional, e.g., taller and
|> good-looking.  However, as we move downscale then there is a growing
|> divergence ... "cute" but short/heavier/less mature AF's with geeky
|> white guys.

When I was in college, the AF's that were datings CM's were usually
quite American in attitudes and culture.  The ones I knew did not have
anything against AM's.  They just did not care about ethnicity.
I do not recall any geeky AF's dating CM's.

I also know a few very American Asian females (and very Asian at the
same time and quite attractive) who only liked Asian males.

I think a major factor is the which culture the person feels comfortable
with.  Some people of Asian ancestry do not feel completely comfortable
with American culture, even 4th generation American born products of
CM/AF or AM/CF marriages (I am speaking from personal experience).

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:56:27 GMT

In article <bl6-8+=@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
|> 
|> Study the origins of "vandalism."    
|> 
A similar racially-inspired adjective comes to mind: slovenly.  Now
that Czechoslovakia is to become two nations, the P.C. thing to do
would be to excise that word from the language.

--- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan