HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: PatricKKK the Liar Humphrey strikes again! (was Re: threatening larry, again (was Re: The use of fat black ass to describe Chaney is unsupported)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:09:47 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep25.181813.3785@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <Bv1A1B.DC9@rice.edu> PatricKKK the Liar Harumphrey posting as patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.010943.28214@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep22.160218.20366@crd.ge.com> james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com> writes:
>>>

>Well, folks, this is just one more situation where I am right as
>usual, and PatricKKK the Liar Harumphrey, AKA Redneck Rice, proves
>himself to be a bold faced liar. He says that I support Operation
>Rescue by calling Randall Terry my buddy, when everyone knows that I
>oppose clinic blocking and Randall Terry's Theocracy and his disregard
>for separation of church and state. 

>PatricKKK has lied so many times about me that when he dies some
>religion out there will make PatricKKK the God of Lies. When one wants
>to perfect a good lie, they pray to PatricKKK.

I hear lithium carbonate and tegretol are helpful for problems like yours,
Steve. 

BTW - Erik and I want to meet you. Send me email and let's set a date.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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nadja@weitek.com
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From: eng10196@nusunix1.nus.sg (KANNAPPAN S/O IYNKARAN)
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 3
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:29:15 GMT
From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:34:32 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
|> John Townsend says:

|> >It is a common myth that the Supreme Court's 1973
|> >legalization of abortion caused any significant reduction in the number of
|> >women's deaths due to complications from abortion, when in fact the numbers
|> >are nearly the same (I can get these if you wish).
|> 	I think you'd best do so; and be prepared to cite sources reporting
|> primary data, rather than someone's (possibly) biased interpretation of same.
|> Be aware that you're up against statistics collected by various organizations
|> demonstrating quite clearly that abortion is *significantly* safer now than
|> it was over 20 years ago.

I think he is accurate.  There are as many deaths from abortion complication
as there were before RvW.  Of course there are many more abortions, making
it a much safer procedure than it was before.  Not to mention the deaths
from complications in almost all types of surgery, even under the best
of conditions.

-- 
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occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: do Overpeck's flamers have problems themselves? (was: Overpeck's problems)
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:18:31 GMT

In article <8alzcxh@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>->cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>->>_I_ will support keegan's position on this.  But as keegan has posted
>->>that he does not want the details public again, you'll have to email
>->>me for the story.
>->Then your support is useless.
>
>is this the same eric rescorla who earlier today asked
>for an example of his intellectual dishonesty?
Yep. What do you believe to be intellectually dishonest about what
I said, Mr. Keegan? I have specifically stated from the beginning
that I wanted you to post the proof publicly.

You accused CJ publicly, you should support your statement publicly
--or retract it.
-Ekr


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:56:47 GMT

<1992Sep30.170541.6803@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> burkhardt@FORCE.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () said:
><9365@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson):
>><1992Sep28.215858.18233@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>>Try this on for size.
>>Euthanasia can be a responsible solution to an unwanted burdan.
>>Euthanasia can be a responsible solution to an unwanted burdan.
>>Euthanasia can be a responsible solution to an unwanted burdan.
>
>>You might be more convincing, if you would give us A HINT
>>about your point.
>
>Unfortunately, here in california we have a legalized euthanasia initiative
>on the ballot in November.

"Unfortunately"?  I consider it very fortunate that California is once
again in the forefront of compassionate legislation.


Gordon
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From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: PatricKKK the Liar Humphrey strikes again! (was Re: threatening larry, again (was Re: The use of fat black ass to describe Chaney is unsupported)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:13:39 GMT
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com>
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise

nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes to chaneyhall:
-> I hear lithium carbonate and tegretol are helpful
-> for problems like yours, Steve.

oh boy. i wonder if dr. bill will be calling on you.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Quid Pro Quo, the Graceful Thing....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:10:47 GMT

nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
] In <1992Sep28.011929.20842@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:
] 
] >Peter, think about the fact that a lot of the pro-choicers around here
] >are absolutely convinced you're a brainless twit.
] 
] Elizabeth, you ought to know by now that most of the ones who claim to be 
] convinced of it are among the bigger clowns in this talk.abortion
] group.
] 
] I had a problem with seeing no responses to my posts for over a month,
] and when the responses started coming in, a great many were from clowns
] like Margolis and Hekhuis, and I tailored my responses to them accordingly.


Hum....

which came first, his postings or the response in kind....

And has there really been a change in his data,
its presentation, etc, etc, etc......


ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Subject: Finally, honesty from one of the anti-abortion types
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:54:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.045121.9632@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
# Let's start out by saying the unborn child is definitely a human life.
# 
# Now let's weigh two things:
#    1) "enslaving the mother"
#    2) destroying the life of the unborn child which is definitively human.
# 
# Now, sure, "enslaving the mother" could be perceived (and it probably is)
# as an evil.  But when put side by side with the destruction of a human
# life, more importantly, our own sons and daughters, doesn't the "enslaving
# the mother" bit pale by comparison?

No.  It does not.  Not even remotely.  But, your honesty about what
you think is acceptable treatment for pregnant women is refreshing.

# I'm not saying that the birth giving process is something trivial to
# be ignored and looked down upon.  I'm just saying when the choice is between
# the life of a human and the mother's situation, the life of a human being
# must be protected.

I love the implication that mothers aren't human.


-- 
J H Woodyatt (a.k.a. Dr. Strychnine)
Space Systems/Loral

Help keep Las Vegas clean.  Eat your kill.
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:10:50 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center

In article <1aihnuINNhn3@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
}
}In article <1992Oct2.153605.25461@sniap.mchp.sni.de>, 
}Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de writes:
 [to Karen]
}|If it's any small help, your post was not a waste of time...

}Dude, allow me to give you a virtual handshake.

I'll second that.

}|So what should I do in t.a. now?  

Be a clown!  (but you have to ask Peter)  No, seriously, stick around,
if for no other reason than a very selfish one of mine.  I need to think
of people like you when folks tell me that humanity doesn't have enough
compassion, and it needs to be legislated.  

}---
}cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
}Now I have to convert Galen to the cult of Eno.

I just put on Another Green World.  The first cut really does suck.
Don't tell me that Brian wrote it and considers it his masterpiece...

--
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               A man's screech should exceed his gasp...
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Overpeck's problems  (Was: Re: Have you herd about the ram?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:07:34 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Organization: SGI TechPubs
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.26.79.24

---
sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
|I'd suggest that you seek some real help instead of confessing
|your shortcomings in talk.abortion, Overpeck.  I'm really
|not qualified to tell you why the "jokes" you feel compelled
|to repeat in this newsgroup all have sexist overtones.  I
|think you should see your therapist, and ask *him*.

You know, I've often felt Overpeck to be a twit.  But I'm 
suprised to find he's the only major participant in this 
thread who doesn't look like a twittering fool.

I wish I could killfile this thread & Chaneyflames.
They're repetitious & boring wastes of k key clicks.

---
cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"Not only are you obviously a boring conservative twit with sexual 
dysfunctions beyond the dreams of analysis, but also the proud possessor 
of a one track mind that just keeps going and going..." --Rebecca Ching,
on David Rasmussen
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:55:16 GMT

In <1992Sep25.142336.861@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
->In <m6cz8m_@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu 
->   (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes: >
->>>> good. since, imo, i've done that demonstrating, and
->>>> you've replied to it, i'll take you at your word that
->>>> you'll stop asking me to do so.
->>
->>> Here you seem to be saying that your opinion is the 
->>> rough equivalent of demonstrable evidence.  It isn't.
->>> Nor have I replied to anything remotely resembling
->>> "evidence".
->>
->> here you seem to be saying that your opinion has
->> more validity than my opinion.

->It does, with regard to the assessment of mental status.

but not with regard to evidence to support a personal
opinion. nice try. you would have come across stronger
by simply admitting that you had erred.

does your emotional/intellectual inability to
admit the existence of text which you have posted
replies to cause you any, ummmmm, problems bill?

->>>> you've already replied to my answer to it, bill. 
->>
->>> Untrue.  You've never answered it.
->>
->> again, denial isn't healthy bill. 

->That only partly true, Jim.  Can you tell the listening
->audience why?

sure. the other part is you lying. and i'm pleased
that you seem to recegnize that.

->>>> why bill, what a silly question! haven't i told you how
->>>> often i've defended you from attacks based on your
->>>> condescending manner towards women? 
->>
->>> Oh, I don't condescend to women.  
->>
->> you've certainly fooled a lot of them into thinking
->> otherwise.

->Is it true that you're the "Ram of the Herd", Jim?

who cares? no one claimed that i was?

now that i think of it, this remark of yours seems to
me indicative of your disdain for females though. isn't
that something you just denied earlier in this post?

->>>> on my observations and the data you've already replied
->>>> to bill. on what to you base your repeated requests for
->>>> this data, bill?
->>
->>> Your contentless responses, of course.  Care to change that?
->>
->> would you include in your definition of "contentless
->> responses" things such as "energizer bunny" and Pee
->> Wee?"

->Not at all.  Those comments are rich in their implications 
->for you.

i think they're much richer in their implications for you.

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:31:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.224817.18001@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>Martin writes:
>>Ronald Bense writes:
>>>Martin writes:
>>>>The right to life is the most basic and fundamental right we have.
>>>
>>>Since when? Do you see it granted or stated anywhere?
>>
>>No one has to grant anyone else the right to life.  People have it
>>from the moment of their existence whether or not some document says so.
>
>Oh, really?  I think living in twentieth-century America has spoiled
>you.  Anybody got a time machine so we can let Martin see how much of
>a privilege life was in centuries past?  :)
>
>>Did the blacks in the early 1800s have the right to be free?  Was it written
>>anywhere?  It wasn't stated anywhere in law but they did have a right not
>>to be slaves.
>
>In your opinion, maybe not.  But ask a slave owner of the time: he
>probably would have told you, very emphatically, that he bought his
>slaves and they were his property, and hence they had no right to be free.
>
>Where do you see this supposed right of theirs to be free?  A desire,
>perhaps, and a feeling they should be allowed to be free -- but, no,
>it wasn't a right.

At least you are consistent in recognizing that black slaves don't
necessarily have the right to be free and human beings don't necessarily
have the right to life.  So, in a sense, both slavery and abortion can
easily be justifiable with that position.

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Organization: Netcom San Jose
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:48:18 GMT

nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes ...
>In <c!#ptlb.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes ...
>>Once you start arguing potentialities you start getting into really 
>>silly territory.
>
>Except that the fetus is not "potential" life.

Neither is an unfertilized egg.  Point?

>>>What I mean by chosen is that first you have Sarah in the womb.  Do you
>>>keep or let her live?  Then later, you have Mark.  Do you let him live
>>>or abort his life?  It goes to a point where those who are living become
>>>the chosen few, while those who are aborted become the "rejected."  I find
>>>it terrible to have to reject our children violently via abortion.
>
>>As opposed to rejecting them through the neglect of failing to concieve?
>>Sheesh, what depressing alternatives you present.
>
>There's no "them" to reject in your scenario, Ray.

Funny, I've heard some people say the exact same thing in reference to
(at one time or another) an egg, zygote, embryo, and even a fetus.
Who's right?  You?

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Every improvement in communication
ray@netcom.com                 makes the bore more terrible"  Frank Moore Colby
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Methods of Abortion
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:31:19 GMT


WARNING!  THIS IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART OR THOSE WITH WEAK STOMACHS!


Methods of Abortion:

Suction Machine
	First used by the Communist Chinese and 27 times more powerful than a
	domestic vacuum cleaner, the suction machine (with a tube inserted
	through the cervix) tears the placenta from the uterus, dismembers the
	child, and draws its remains into an attached jar.  Umremoved body parts
	can cause infection and hemorrhage.

D&C--Dilation and Curretage
	The abortionist inserts a loop-shaped knife into the mother's dilated
	cervix and, by scraping the uterus wall, cuts the child into pieces.
	To ensure that the uterus is empty, the abortionist or nurse must
	reassemble the body parts.

D&E--Dilation and Evacuation
	The abortionist uses forceps to grasp and pull apart the rapidly
	growing child and to remove the placenta from the uterus.  The
	procedure is bloody and ghastly.  Many nurses refuse to assist.

Saline Injection or Salt Poisoning
	To kill and remove fetuses after sixteen weeks, the abortionist inserts
	a needle through the mother's abdomen, draws off a volume of amniotic
	fluid, and replaces it with a saline (salt) solution that poisons the
	child (through swallowing) and burns away the child's skin.  After the
	child's agonizing death, the mother goes into labor and delivers her
	dead infant.

Prostaglandin Abortion
	Prostaglandin, a chemical hormone, is injected into the amniotic sac
	to induce violent labor and premature birth.  Since this method of
	abortion can produce live births, the abortionist first injects a toxin
	to kill the child.

Hysterotomy
	Equivalent to a Caesarean section, this late-term method enables the
	abortionist to remove the child from the uterus and allow it to die by
	starvation and neglect or by way of a death-inducing act such as
	drowning, suffocation, or strangulation.
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: scotts@CS.CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: Sarah Weddington
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<SCOTTS.92Oct2120812@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<1992Oct2.172001.14223@cs.yale.edu>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.172001.14223@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

   >She is a freshman.  What do you expect?
   Actually, andrew seems to think she's a sophomore:

Oops, sorry.  When I read the stupid comment, I thought I misread
sophomore for freshman :-)

Scott
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: On the claim that fetuses were "persons" under law prior to Roe v Wade
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.162851.15647@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu Doug Holtsinger) writes:
> Before Roe v. Wade, there was never any Constitutional right for 
> an individual to kill a human being.

Self-defense is upheld as a valid justification for killing
another human being.  I do not know that is has ever been
an issue for constitutional law.  I assume it is upheld as
part of the common law.  But then again, before Gideon there
was never a constitutional right to an attorney.

Dean Kaflowitz
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Not a flame
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:55:44 GMT

> = Larry Margolis:

>Lone Ranger:  Tonto,
>Tonto:        Yes, Kimosabe?
>Lone Ranger:  We're surrounded by hostile Indians, and the situation looks
>              hopeless.
>Tonto:        Yes, Kimosabe.
>Lone Ranger:  You've been a faithful companion to me for many years.
>Tonto:        Yes, Kimosabe.
>Lone Ranger:  We've gotten out of a lot of tough spots before.
>Tonto:        Yes, Kimosabe.
>Lone Ranger:  But this time, I think we're going to die.
>Tonto:        What you mean, "we", white man?

Oh, *sure*, Larry.  Muddle the issue with an accurate rendition :)!


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