>From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 4 Nov 92 00:33:54 GMT
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA

Here are various comments from the rec.music.synth group:

>Due to the ridiculous requirement for the renaming of a perfectly stable group
>by an anal-retentive outsider who doesn't even read the group, the link
>between SYNTH-L and rec.music.synth is going to break.
>As far as I am concerned, it can, and the heck with it. 

>I agree with Joe. Too bad nobody listened when he warned the voters that
>changing the name was bad news for a large number of us. Looks like I'm
>gone. Bye.

[etc]

As a news admin and a reader of rec.music.synth, and noticing that the
vote passed by one measly vote (there were 101 more yes than no votes)
I am officially stating my intent to NOT honor the newgroup for 
"rec.music.makers.synth" and to keep alive the "rec.music.synth" newsgroup.

My reasons are the following:

1) There are many mailing lists and other ilk that are connected to r.m.s.
as well as a few international MIDI networks that are connected to it. 

2) The group name makes absolutely NO SENSE for the intended audience.

3) It wasn't broken, why was it "fixed"? 

As always on the net, I am open to discussions and debate. Flames even.

I also encourage other news admins out there to look into this problem as an
example of an officially sanctioned act that will turn out to inconvienence
a lot of people. This is bogus, folks.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   Knowledge is something you can use. Belief is something that uses you.

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>From: Dave Hayes (11/9/92)
To: Gary Preckshot

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 14:11:46 -0800
>From: Dave Hayes <dave@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov>

> Frankly, Dave, you aren't the only one pissed off at high-handed Usenet
> sysadmins.  I don't know if you noticed, but there was very vocal opposition
> from some members of trial.rec.metalworking to being forced to use the
> name rec.crafts.metalworking when we preferred rec.metalworking or almost
> anything else besides *.crafts.* 

If you still feel this way, get ready for a discussion on changing the
Guidelines.
I'm going after this attitude in full force. 

> What particularly annoyed me was the
> ignorant and illiterate forcing their favorite name on us because it was
> a solution lying around waiting for a problem.  They made several bogus
> arguments demonstrating their ignorance of metalworking, the history
> of crafts, and their own field, computer science. 

If you've at all noticed, there is a undercurrent of heavy elitism in the
current cadre of flamers. It doesn't matter at all what *you* know...it's
what they know that counts. 

Frankly, I'm sick of it. 

 The only argument where
> encountered (Davis and Maynard among others).  It *is* high time the
> guidelines for group naming get reformed.  For a bunch of sysadmins, some of
> these guys are amateurs.  Sysadmins are not supposed to jerk users around.
> They are supposed to listen.

Amen. Please be present for the ensuing debate when I propose some sweeping
Guidelines changes.
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Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   The word 'choice' is a fraud 
         while people choose only what they have been taught about to choose.


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