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From: sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk (Sherman Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Douglas Adams & The London Times
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:06:31 GMT
Organization: Manchester Business School

There was an article in the London Times several Sat. ago about Douglas 
Adams' childhood.

Sherman Chen
email:sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk
      sh.chen%uk.ac.mbs.fs3@cns.umist.ac.uk
From: johnson@europa.aero.org (Wowbagger)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Vanity Plates
Date: 7 Nov 1992 18:27 -0800
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
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JUST A CURIOSITY......

I have vanity license plates that read "WOWBAGR" (Wowbagger the Infinitely
Prolonged).  Very often I will be stopped at a traffic light or getting out of
my car when someone will ask me what the hell a "WOWBAGR" is.  But there is 
always that one person out there...whether sitting in the next lane or walking
past me in the parking lot who will shout "42" at me.  It happens about once
every other month.  I sometimes wonder what other book characters warrant such
a response from license plate appearances.  

Rick "Wowbagger" Johnson
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Subject: Re: Pizza delivery
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:54:54 GMT

In article <uerics.721590992@mcl>, uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:
|> Re: Pizza delivery
|> 
|> I'd often wondered, myself, how it could be possible to survive in a
|> barbarous world without pizza delivery.  Particularly in this age when
|> pizza out of a box tastes pretty much the same as pizza served on a pan in
|> a restaurant.
|> 
|> Which makes me wonder... has the delivered pizza gotten better or has the
|> restaurant pizza gotten worse? :)
|> 
|> - Eric S.

No reason to wonder about it. Box-pizza pr.def. _cannot_ be good, therefore 
the restaurant pizzas near where you're staying have got to be really bad. :-)

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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.063536.21051@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) writes:
>In article <1ct8k6INNhra@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> keeper@deeptht.armory.com writes:
>>Douglas does have a CompuServe account.  I don't know if he has access
>>to anything on usenet, though.
>
>He does not, as yet.
> 
>
>I also intend to advise him not to post here, or to do so under a pseudonym,
>unless he WANTS to spend vast amounts of time replying to mail.  
>
You know, I think this is a very offensive attitude.  All we have to do is
set up protocols for dealing with him.  I subscribe to alt.fan.pratchett, and 
Terry posts under his real name and does not appear to have aproblem with too
much mail.  We just have an understanding that lack of communication from him
is not to be taken personally, he justs responds when he has time.  Of course
most of the time we have a lower volume of articles than a.f.d-a and our threads
die a lot more quickly.  I think that DA really just doesn't have the time or
the interest in getting in a quick response system of communication with his 
fans... Just my two cents, I could be wrong.  It's happened before.

						Steve

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From: ajdh@bnr.co.uk (Andrew J D Hurley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Hitchhiker Radio Play on CDs?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:05:31 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
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In article <1992Nov11.151707@zam112.zam.kfa-juelich.de> zdv146@zam112.zam.kfa-juelich.de (Dirk Haunschild) writes:
>HAHAHA, the CD ist *nearly* forty-two pounds....but in earnest :
>Is this only one CD or more of them (six?) . 42 pounds may be a
>high price for one!

You are hardly going to get 6 hours of radio (12 x 30 mins) on one
CD. You guessed right, there are 6 CDs each with 2 episodes on (I'm sure
I should be able to find a 9 somewhere ...).

In this case it is about 7 pounds per CD which is not so bad, and they
are well worth having if you are a dedicated fan.


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From: horne@physics.su.OZ.AU (Geoff Horne)
Subject: Thoughts on M H (spoilers)
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:58:22 GMT

I just reread MH after looking through the discussion that's been going on
and i have a few ideas of my own:

--- spoiler alert ---
          





























ok - a lot of people think the earth is still around, consider this:

"Invisible to any of the inhabitants of the strance and temporal Plural
Zone at the focus of which lay the infinitely multitudinous possibilities
of the earth..."                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	(MH pg 209)

the earth has a discontinuous nature and probability being what it is there 
must be a point where all the earths do exist - presumably this will be at the
focus of the Plural sector - this was where the grebulon leader was - and this
was how all the earths managed to be destroyed...

Ok, so i hear you asking "how was this focus found??"

Easy - thats what the Guide II was for - The Vigons get pissed off at the earth
being destroyed, only to find it popping up somewhere else in space/time/probab
what do they do?? - they create the guide ang GET IT TO REVERSE ENGINEER THE
UNIVERSE SO THAT THE EARTH IS DESTROYED AT ITS FOCUS - (an why not in the 
process arrange the guide II to be destroyed as well - kinda neat to arrange
for the guide to see to it's own destruction.) 
	Now of course this sort of reverse engineering is a MAJOR project and
ends up affecting all of the what we know as the past. Even to the point where
Deep thought and the Magratheans are part of the process - as not only did the
earth have to be destroyed but also all of it's inhabitants - 
	Naturally this leads to the ultimate question of LtUaE..

the Question was never actually found but it was essentially of the form
"why are we all here? what is our aim in life? what are we doing here?"

Deep thought gave the answer as -42- 
Deep thought could see through all the infinite probabilities of the universe
to see the creation of the earth and persumably it's destruction as well
and could see the answer -42-

Chapter 25:
"'just there, Number 42,' shouted ford to the taxi driver. 'right there!'
the taxi lurched to a halt and Ford and Arthur got out..."
		MH pg 214

Why are we here? we are all part of a massive reverse engineering project to
see that Ford and Arthur are destroyed along with the Earth - that they
make to number 42...

als0, at the end of LtUaE, Prak bursts out laughing when he sees Arthur -
he knows something about a) the Whole Truth and b) Arthur dent

ok so these are just my Ideas - any comments??

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: MH weirdness...
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 04:01:16 GMT

I'm not sure if anybody else has mentioned this (I only just got MH, and skipped
all spoilers before I'd finished it), but did anybody notice that there are 
discrepancies between the first four HHGG books and MH?  The only one I can think
of now is that Ford complains (in MH) that all the writing he'd done on Earth was
edited down to just two words - but I git the impression that it was all put in
at the beginning of So Long...  Am I mistaken, or is reality?

-Eyvind

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From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams Interview in East Lansing
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:59:16 GMT

What follows are some of the comments DA had during a radio interview here 
yesterday.  The interview was only about five minutes or so coupled with a 
tape of DA reading, so there was no great depth or probing (the limitations 
of electronic media.)  He was late in getting here, too, which cut into the 
interview time.  Most of the interview was just establishing who he was and 
a course outline of the Hitchhiker series.  He was also pretty strung out 
from this promotion tour.  I understand there is to be a local newspaper 
interview published soon so additional info may be forthcoming.  I will post 
any additional info when, and if, it becomes available.  I know this is a 
little light on content, but perhaps it can be considered useful when one 
uses the Infinite Perspective Vortex machine. 

What about the towel?

DA says that idea came about because of a trip to Greece he made with some 
friends.  When everyone wanted to go to the beach, DA could never find his 
towel.  DA came to look upon the towel as a metaphor for life.  If you were 
really together you always knew where your towel was.

What about a Hitchhiker movie?

DA was silent on this point.

Will there be another Hitchhiker book?

DA: "As I said about the first, second, third, and fourth Hitchhiker book, 
there will never be another.  READ MY LIPS...NO NEW BOOK."

Some people have asked if DA will ever be on the Internet, he says he is 
very interested in doing so.  I gave him an opportunity to send a message to 
this newsgroup, but he declined saying that he planned on getting the net in 
the near future and that he would convey his thoughts at that time.  He is 
currently available on Applenet and Compuserve, though he gave no address.

It has probably been conveyed in the group in previous postings, but I will 
pose it nevertheless.  Based on a tape of DA reading his work, he IS the 
voice of Marvin, the Paranoid Android (on radio and TV.)

Cheers.



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From: ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: zb: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:11:23 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


[stuff deleted]

dna's email add given as dna@cix.compulink.co.uk
with flame explination and src explination ...

`Its a fake' .. (somebody else)

Well, if you try  

% finger dna@cix.compulink.co.uk    {192.188.69.2}

and various other names, you'll find that dna (douglas, da, adams, &c)
are certainly FAKE.

J.  ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk

-so i agree, if you have done 3 impossible things this morning, why
not follow that up with e-mailing dna@cix  %-)
From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:21:12 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:

>Because *every* single new person who joined in on this newsgroup (of which
>there are probably tens of thousands) would mail him saying something like
>"Hi Doug, love your HHGTTG", probably making for about 100 messages per
>day.

Only in the beginning. It works with Terry Pratchett and his group!

>I suspect that should DNA really join this group, it would be under an
>assumed name, and he wouldn't let on to anybody (or nearly nobody) who
>he was.

>Then he would sit back and laugh like anything when he got flamed for
>being an ignorant so-and-so who doesn't have a clue what the books are
>all about.

Chuckle! Giggle! Tee-hee-hee!

>Douglas^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRoss-c

What's that supposed to mean? I'm the r-- Oops!

No, seriously, he might as well do both! I would if I were a genius, and
I needn't tax my imagination too much for that.  :-)


May the Ultimately Cool Frood Eventually Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: NO SPOILERS HERE!
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:46:27 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1dbuoiINNt7d@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST102315@brownvm.brown.edu () writes:
|> 
|> PS.  Of course I had the (mis?)fortune to join the list shortly after
|> MH came out, but I'm curious if Adams creations other than Hitchhiker's
|> and Gently are discussed.  For instance, have people talked about
|> his Doctor Who episodes (among the best, IMHO), or his Infocom games
|> (I'm stuck in Bureaucracy at the moment...)?

Dunno. I'm kinda new myself, but the discussion SEEEMS to bounce around between
all of his stuff at some point or another.

Speaking of my all-time favorite TV show, how many here have seen the recently
slapped-together version of Shada? I don't care about the similarities to Dirk
Gently, it's still a good story. A little on the silly side at times (but this
**IS** DNA...), and not all of the new music fit in with the show's style, but
overall it was a good show!

(Hell, not all of the music fit in with the SCRIPT! Remember the sting when
Chronotis asked "Sugar?" Sounded like a Dalek just popped its head out of
a dustbin or something....)

|> Hmmm...  Perhaps I shouldn't have stuck this at the bottom of a post
|> which has ****SPOILERS**** splatted all over its beginning...oh well.

Took care of that.

8)

|> Enjoying himself,
|> jwgh

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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Mostly Harmless (again)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: car-a@minster.york.ac.uk

In article <721236315.24365@minster.york.ac.uk>, car-a@minster writes:
>Some articles on this group have been referring to a hole through
>the Earth's core and it's use as a transport system.  Where is
>this mentioned?  I must admit I am at a loss.  I probably have the
>wrong end of the stick...

Yes.  It has nothing to do with Douglas Adams.  Trust me.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: "How to leave a planet" - where is this from? 
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 21:05:01 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1dc4f3INNarn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU writes:

> In article <9gJoTB6w165w@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi> jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi
> (Jussi Kantola) writes:

> >Could someone tell me where the following text has been published?

> >                How to Leave the Planet:

> I think it's been in every bound-as-one-book edition of the trilogy.
> I've only PERSONALLY seen it in _The Hitchhiker's Trilogy_ and _The More
> Than Complete Hitchhiker's Trilogy_ (y'know, the leatherbound one).

I've got it in a plain old hardback edition (what exactly is a
``leatherbound'' edition, anyways?  I've never seen any of the HHGTTG
books with a leather type cover) of {The Hitchhiker's Trilogy / Omnibus
Edition}.

later....
   --jim

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From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams & The London Times
Date: 10 Nov 1992 05:17:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk (Sherman Chen) says:

>There was an article in the London Times several Sat. ago about Douglas 
>Adams' childhood.
>
>Sherman Chen
>email:sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk
>      sh.chen%uk.ac.mbs.fs3@cns.umist.ac.uk
>

Yep. I got a copy. I paid $US 5.00 + tax for a bloody newspaper just
because Douglas Adams was in it. Oh well---shows you how nuts I am.

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From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Hod
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:01:36 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Good Point, Chris
 
I would enjoy privacy.
 
Doug

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From: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Douglas Adams in Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 12:37:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu


	Attention Thumb-Owners!! (Subtle or what?)

	This Thursday, November 12th, in the city of Ann Arbor, Michigan,
DNA is going to appear live at the Michigan Theatre.  Tickets are $5 and 
available at either the Theatre or Borders BookStore.  He is to read from
Mostly Harmless and sign books while videos entertain the faithful! (And I
quoted.)

	Anyone who can get here, should.  If you can't, why not whip out the
Thumb and catch a lift?

Ken
	"OF course I know where my towel is!  I get them by the pound."

Keywords:
From: m_rheau@pavo.concordia.ca (RHEAUME, MICHEL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: how to leave the planet
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:29:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey froods,

Another place I didn't see mentionned where you can find the short bit
"How to leave the planet" is in the book "The More Than Complete 
 HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE" (which, with the release of "Mostly Harmless", makes
 it unofficially "The Less Than More Than Complete HITCHHIKER's GUIDE").

You can find it in the introduction by the Master Hoopy Frood Himself,
(No, not Zaphod), titled "A GUIDE TO THE GUIDE, Some unhelpful remarks 
 from the author".

Andrew Millen
m_rheau@pavo.concordia.ca

INTERESTING NOTE: I researched anagrams of 'Douglas Adams' in various dialects
 of some rather unpopular languages, and found several meanings which might
 be of some interest to some of you.

For instance, rearranged one way, one can spell 'Mas Gud Olas Da(!)' which
 of course is the South-south-eastern Duhadan dialect's expression meaning
 "Pigs are great places to stick your head(s) in", coincidence? I think
not!

Or how about the suspicious "SLAM SAGA DUDO" which is the Heblanese translation
of element #42 of our periodic table, AND (talk about coincidence...I THINK
NOT!!!) it ALSO means "SHARE AND ENJOY" in the territory of Amdahl in 
Egypt.

I remain...
   Andrew Millen
   m_rheau@pavo.concordia.ca
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: "How to leave a planet" - where is this from?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:14:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov9.180409.793@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman) writes:
>In article <1djgfrINNovt@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>> 	It's a prettied-up copy of "The More Than Complete Hitchhiker's
>> Trilogy".  It includes the first four books, the inconsistency/How To Leave the
>> Planet introduction, and Young Zaphod Plays It Safe.  The cover is leather,
>> the endpages have a Smiling Planet pattern, and there's a cloth bookmark
>> bound into the book.  Bought it in Waldenbooks for $19.95.  I didn't consider
>> that a bad price AT ALL when you consider MH is $20 in hardback and the
>> leatherbound edition is damn near indestructable under normal conditions.
>
>My copy has two errors on the spine.  The first book is listed as
>_The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe_ and the second as _The
>Restaurant at the End of the Galaxy_.

	Huh, mine doesn't.  I wonder how many there are like yours.

					-Jay
From: A.G.Poole@newcastle.ac.uk (Alex Poole)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams Interview in East Lansing
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton) writes:

>hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice) writes:

>[ Stuff deleted ]

>>It has probably been conveyed in the group in previous postings, but I will
>>pose it nevertheless.  Based on a tape of DA reading his work, he IS the
>>voice of Marvin, the Paranoid Android (on radio and TV.)

>He is *not* the voice of Marvin on radio (or, i don't think, on TV for
>that matter). Simon Jones (I think, i'm trying to remember the credits
>at the end of each CD episode) was Marvin on the radio series (and probably
>the TV as well).


Yep, he also naratted the stories on tape (available in the UK, not sure about
elsewhere), so the Marvin bits sound great and the others... unusual. He made a
good job of Arthur...



Alex
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