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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: medival warfare
Keywords: seige warfare
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Distribution: alt.war
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:43:57 GMT

syl5487@u.cc.utah.edu (SCOTT LEE/HISTORY) writes:

] What would be a good example of a 'typical' castle?
] How effective was artilery (catipults and trebuches) ?
] What about sappers?
] Was it easier just to starve them out?
 
There are Several Lovely castles in Wales that are
Veritable Wonders of Engineering, and the Pinnacle
of the Art form.....

One of the minor flaws, though, was that by the time
they were finished, the welsh were no longer in open
warfare, and had opted to export 'rugby' as a revenge.

] excuse the spelling

Not to worry, that is a NASTY REPRESSIVE EVIL
habit off the Oppressive types from the COntinent.

real Men Rit the Way they Feal and let the French be Damned!


ciao
drieux


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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.war,soc.women,alt.war.vietnam,alt.dads-rights
Subject: Women In Combat And Standards
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:38:41 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

f12008ad@triton.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:
]
]      In 1982, the army ammended its military entrance strength test to be
] gender free (same strength requ despite sex).  The Woman's Equality Action
] League said that the test unfairly discriminated against women because only
] 11% of women could pass the test, thus leaving the remaining 89% unqualified
] for many combat support roles.  So the question is:  Would gender free 
] requirements stand up politically or in court?

The first cousin of this question is:

Would they equally exempt men from combat units for
not making the grade???? 

And will the positioning of men in rear area non_combat units
prevent them from being targets....

]      What about the issue of pregnancy and child care?  

[ argument about a woman who sued to stay in the service,
and not be transferrred with her unit.... ]

Interesting point here,

What about Fathers?

There seems to be, inspite of DandyDanQuayle's Opinions to the Contrary,
a generic habit of forgetting father's in the armed forces....


ciao
drieux





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of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir Edmund Newton-John." --Frank

Clear Proof Of Genetic Superiority, eh No????
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: medival warfare
Keywords: seige warfare
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Distribution: alt.war
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:17:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.180507.24854@fcom.cc.utah.edu> syl5487@u.cc.utah.edu (SCOTT LEE/HISTORY) writes:
>What would be a good example of a 'typical' castle?

   There aren't any. Castles changed too much through history for there to
be anything like a 'typical' one. Most old castles were upgraded. Also, many
of the structures you might think our castles were built long after the
castle ceased to be important (for romantic reasons).

>How effective was artilery (catipults and trebuches) ?
  
   I'm not an expert, but probably these things had little or no effect.
Perhaps a psychological effect. It would take a very long times to cause
enough damage inside a castle to cause a capitulation. I doubt it is very
easy to start fires.
   As far a knocking down the walls, I doubt catipults could have any effect
once stone walls were invented.
   I read that it was the advent and advance of iron shot the caused the
decline of castles. The iron _could_ penetrate stone walls. Of course, this
lead to the early modern artillery fortresses which are castle-like.

>What about sappers?

   I would say that sapping should almost always be effective, but takes
so long that the siege will probably be successful or broken prior to
completion of the sap.

>Was it easier just to starve them out?
>
   Probably. I think most sieges had thier conclusions based on outside
events, namely relief. If a relief army could come to the rescue, even if
very small, it could cause so much difficulty for the investing forces that
they would have to give it up. I think it was common for castles to 
surrender when they got word that there would be no relief attempt.
   Wellington suggested that slaughtering the garrison of a resisting 
fortress will encourage other forts to surrender promptly when besieged.

DanZ

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From: mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz (Mike Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: Roman Army sizes 
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 06:18:09 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized?


In article <gfIODwS00iUyM2jmdZ@andrew.cmu.edu> "Thomas writes:

  > 
  > Does anyone have any good references for establishing how large ancient
  > army (particularly Roman) troop sizes were? Along the lines of cohort, etc.
  > 

I don't know where you are from, but your local library should be full 
of books on the Roman Army - every library I've ever seen has enough 
basic info to answer your question :-)

It depends upon the period you are interested in - most will be 
familiar with the "Cohort" structure of the Legions c100 BC - 300AD 
(ish), with 10 Cohorts each of approx 480 men (1 may have been 800 
men), before this the Legion fought in manipular formation, with 120 
men/maniple for the Princepes & Hastati, and 60 men for the Triarii.  
After this period the Legion became much smaller, perhaps 1,000 - 1,200 
men.

For a good all-round wargamer's guide see if you can find "Armies and 
Enemies of Imperial Rome", published by Wargames Research Group.

For contemporary (well, almost) descriptions look for the Penguin 
Editions of Livy's books - The Early History of Rome (before the 2nd Punic 
War), The War with Hannibal (the 2nd Punic War), and Rome and the 
Mediterranian (after the 2nd Punic War, and including the conquest of 
Greece and much of Asia).  The Book by Caesar, Gallic Wars (?) is also 
useful, although mostly propaganda.

These are all works dealing with the Roman Army BC. 


Mike Campbell, Christchurch, New Zealand
mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz 
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Insults by drieux once again (was Re: Technical Correction)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:21:37 GMT


In article <1993Jan9.220655.9993@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux,
just drieux) writes:
>When David Went off on his 'anti communist ad hominien' attack of one of
>the vietnamese brothers here who was expressing his personal sentiment
>that the current Communist Regime in Vietnam go the way of Communist
>Regimes in other Main Line Communist Countries...
>
>I did point out that David was jumping in bed with the traditional main
>line party followers....

Of course, it is quite impossible to "jump in bed with" people I have never
met (and whose doctrines I do not espouse--except in drieux's imagination),
but let us ignore reality for the moment so that drieux may continue with
his little fantasy:

>and presented him with the classic 'quid pro quo' that IF he wishes to use
>that type of trendoid of the left ad hominien attack, that I would take
>the liberty of calling him on it, and calling him what he was....
>
>So Yes, I have Called him a WimpLiberalStoogeOfHisKremlinMasters....

I rest my case regarding drieux's propensity to insult.  He has made it
better than I ever could.

drieux apparently has yet to consult a dictionary to find out what _ad
hominem_ actually means.  I have told him repeatedly, and will not bother
any more.

And once again drieux tries to cross-post to talk.politics.misc.  Your
childish little trick for fanning the flame-war isn't fooling anyone,
drieux.
-- 
Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Re: Trivia Contest Time Kids...
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:28:51 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.190831.2329@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux,
just drieux) writes:
>Are these same 'great many people' in the USA, also:
>
>1. The Same folks who voted to return the people who voted for the Gulf of
>Tonkien Resolution?
>
>2. The Same folks who voted out of office the only two congrecritters who
>were 'pinko' enough to vote against the Gulf of Tonkien Resolution?

The key in each case is the term "vote": I said a "great many people", not
a "majority" (which determines the result of a vote).  But of course drieux
can't be bothered with such logical niceties, and prefers to reply to the
imagined rather than actual contents of my posting.

>3. The Same folks who understand that hunger in Somalia is Not a Direct
>threat to the USA.... and are all avoiding the minor matter of the War
>Powers Act right now....

This has nothing to do with any "Communist threat", but far be it from me
to point out a major _non sequitur_ on drieux's part.

>ps: not that I would EVER suggest that there are Historical Revisionists
>in our midst.

Not that I would ever suggest that drieux's postings are riddled with
obvious, serious logical errors.

Based on his cross-posting of his article to talk.politics.misc, it seems
fair to judge that drieux is much more interested in participating in a
mindless flame-war than an intelligent discussion.
-- 
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Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."
From: Monte Olsen <olsenm@ucs.orst.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
Subject: Re: ignorance
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:45:50 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University
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In article <C0IGo5.C15@cs.uiuc.edu> David Kohr, drk@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>	Ok Happy Kampfers....
>
>As for "shut up", that sounds to me like outright censorship.
>-- 


Actually, Dave, I hope you don't shutup. Mainly because you continue to
remind of the people who got in my face when I made the mistake of
wearing my uniform when I first hit SF airport after getting back from
Nam. That is something I choose never to forget. It was a great lesson
about people's limited little minds and how they had drawn conclusions
they would choose never to change.

BTW, I was called a baby killer before. Your use of the term here is cute
but it doesn't anger me anymore. By calling someone's words cowardly and
puerile, you are, in my opinion, calling them the same thing. Drieux, to
the best of my knowledge, has never responded in kind to you.

Prove me wrong that you don't have a narrow little mind. You ain't done
Jack to prove it so far. You've chosen a focused set of references that
support your point of view and have continued to cite them ad nauseum.

I am absolutely convinced there are American veterans in SE Asia, my
brothers, who need to come home. I will never give up on them and I will
never forget them. I refer you to an article that was carried on the
national wire only three days ago detailing exactly what Tricky Dick did
(or perhaps it would be better to say didn't do) when he closed out our
involvement in the war.

Larry, thanks for your comments. I think your idea of a trade of lifes is
outstanding (former Army term, normally hate to use it, but it works
here). If only it were possible.

Monte
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,talk.politics.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: perspective check
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:07:02 GMT


The Recent Invasion of Somalia by the 
WhiteRacistGenocidalWarMongers of the
Bush Regime proves that:

1. Somalia is of strategic importance to the USA.

2. Somalia is a Threat to the USA.

3. Some Times the USA will go into countries
that are destabilized by Civil Wars for 
benign intentions.



ciao
drieux

 

-- 

This is Not a .sigfile addendum to the Post.
You are just reading beyond the edge.
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
Subject: Re: ignorance
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:31:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <C0G2u9.9ou@cs.uiuc.edu> drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr) writes:

>Are you accusing me of some kind of censorship, Larry?

Certainly not!  Just because you want to dictate what should and should
not be discussed concerning the MIA/POW issue and you wish to limit the
amount of coverage given to the issue doesn't make me thing you wish to
censor anyone.

The original poster of "ignorance" expressed a lot of honest anger, not
directed at you specifically, but at the people who follow the "party
line" and want to just forget about the men left behind.  You may profess
to a concern for those men, but you are urging that less the the maximum
effort be made to try and get them back.  What I don't understand is
why you are even reading this group?  Got a little Rambo-complex?

Larry J
>
>There are very good reasons not to direct pure obscenities and outright
>condemnations at other participants in a USENET discussion.  Some of us
>have better things to do than take part in an on-line shouting match.
>-- 
>Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
>                   "One either has none or not enough."


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From: engfish@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (LYDIA FISH)
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
Subject: America/Vietnam Conference
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Announcement: Forthcoming Meeting

AMERICA AND VIETNAM: FROM WAR TO PEACE
AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE

December 2-4, 1993
Center for Continuing Education
University of Notre Dame

The conference will be concurrent with the annual meeting of the Great Lake
American Studies Association which will extend the Conference theme of
Reconciliation to include all aspects of the Vietnam War and the Vietnam era.

Paper and panel proposals should be sent to:

America/Vietnam Conference 1993
c/o English Department
Notre Dame IN 46556
Deadline: May 31, 1993
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,talk.politics.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: The virtues of Historical Revisionism
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:58:34 GMT

drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr) writes:
] 
] In article <1ihu8nINNok4@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Monte Olsen
] <olsenm@ucs.orst.edu> writes:
] >Judging by the previous post, it's fairly obvious to me that the mindless
] >appelation should fall on your shoulders, not Drieux's. 
] 
] If my postings are "mindless", why don't you show me some factual or
] logical errors or some other kind of "mindlessness" in them to make your
] point?
] 
] >Isn't it interesting that each time he asks you to think beyond the
] >boundaries you seem to have established for your own, narrow, little mind,
] >you take umbrage.
] 
] I "take umbrage" at drieux's cowardly, unsubstantiated, childish
] accusations, such as this one:
] 
] 	ps: not that I would EVER suggest that there are Historical
] 	Revisionists in our midst.
] 
] which he doesn't even take the trouble to back up.


Hum....

when confronted with the notion that the Great Massed
were Following the Correct Party Line as David Kohr 
has presented it, knowing as he does, the True
Interpretation of the Correct Party Line, being a
Valiant member of the Van Guard Party, I merely
went wondering about the minor matter of how
the Voting Population threw out the Two CongreCritters
who had voted against the Gulf Of Tonkien Resolution.

This is what David Means when he says that I 
do not back up my notions .....


But then again, he is, as he likes to point out,
a Graduate Student, and Hence, clearly far more Learned
the myself, a mere lowly PeeOn with a bit of learning,
and some serious understanding about "Your Friend the M-14."

When we have attempted to point out to David that he 
can read new things that have been put out there from
both NLF and NVA sources, these he does not wish to deal with....

They are Not Correct Sources, in some sense, as they
do not agree with the position that was Clearly True
during the War In Viet Nam.... and Actually confirm
certain positions presented by 
TheCultrualImperialistGenocidalWarMongeringWhiteRacistAmericanCulture.

So Carry on David....

some of us will still be bringing home the tribe,
and that is what we do....

ciao
drieux


-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: "Olivia Newton-John is the grand-daughter 
of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir Edmund Newton-John." --Frank

Clear Proof Of Genetic Superiority, eh No????
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Re: AntiGerman RACISM!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:47:54 GMT


In article <1993Jan10.101200.12858@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux,
just drieux) writes:
> drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr) writes:
> ] drieux [prefaces his] postings with infantile idiocies such as:
> ] 
> ] 	Ok Happy Kampfers....
>
>Do I detect the Ugly Rearing Head of the RASCIST Coming up here?????

Another ridiculous piece of slander by drieux.  It would of course be
trivially simple to turn this around and say, "Well, drieux addressed us in
the language of the Reichstag, so he must be a Nazi!", but equally absurd
and unfair, so I will not do it.

>But I guess when one has no respect for cultural diversity

drieux's propensity to fabricate is boundless, if quite lacking in
sophistication.

>it is hard to accept that sometimes WarMongerBabyKillers[tm] may be real
>people with a real sense of humour.

In the general case, I disagree completely.

However, it is indeed difficult to accept someone else's sense of humor
when that person expresses it through a torrent of insults, make-believe
charges, and misquotations directed against oneself.  No doubt you would
find the same.

And yet one more time, drieux unsubtly tries to cross-post to
talk.politics.misc!  One would think drieux's fingers would be getting
tired by now, what with playing all these childish games.
-- 
Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Call for an end to the flame-war
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:23:25 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr) writes:
] 
] In article <1993Jan11.082853.14456@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux,
] just drieux) writes:
] >All you have to do is apologize for trying to play the trendy game of
] >"well he's anti_communist, hence what he has to say is clearly suspect."
] 
] Gee, I'm really sorry for pointing out the trivially obvious conclusion
] that Kim's hatred of the Communists may bias the contents of his postings.
] 
] Happy now drieux?

Only if you are Happy that I have been pointing
out the fact that being a Stooge of the International
Kommunist Konspiracy has clouded your ability to reason.

ciao
drieux


ps: what makes even less sense of your position is
your continued unwillingness to accept that even
the Main Stream Communist in Vietnam are not defending
your Party Line... But I do have to admire your commitment.


-- 
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doesn't mean you don't have a sense of humor.
		- Barry Sadler
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Do you Feel Persecuted
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:21:00 GMT


isn't it interesting that all of a sudden its
sorta ok to admit that there were POW/MIA trade
to the USSR.... 

WOW....

Some times its just terrorfying when history 
keeps on rolling right along...


ciao
drieux

ps: yes David, we ARE out to get you....


pps: But what I really Want to be able to
do is grow up and be a big real
HeMan College Grad Student... and point out
that People who hate communism are Bad People...

and that by attacking them rather than what 
they say it is not an Ad hominien....



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Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Re: Call for an end to the flame-war
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:54:17 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.082853.14456@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux,
just drieux) writes:
>All you have to do is apologize for trying to play the trendy game of
>"well he's anti_communist, hence what he has to say is clearly suspect."

Gee, I'm really sorry for pointing out the trivially obvious conclusion
that Kim's hatred of the Communists may bias the contents of his postings.

Happy now drieux?

>Honey, when you have been detained by the secrect police for being
>pro_democracy, and consider a 'red', you might understand a little why
>that sort of Ad Homnien attack offends me....

Sweety, I can see you haven't looked up _ad hominem_ in your dictionary
yet....

>Also when you learn to be a little more 'cultrually sensitive' to my
>family you may also find that I will be less likely to take you at
>strictly comic value.

There was no "cultural" content to my remark whatsoever: I would have
pointed out to a preface of "OK Happy Soldiers" as being an idiocy just as
quickly as I did with "OK Happy Kampfers".

Your imagination is running away with you again.

>You keep talking about infantile, and I think you mean my dad: CIB, bronze
>& silver star, Italy '44; WPPA '48.
>
>I'm the Naive one, USN, CV-67, RAF Brawdy and other spots.

Well sweety, your braggadocio in this instance is quite infantile also.

>you seem to have not noticed in the 'cross_posts' that I took on a VVet's
>position that women in combat was not an option... I guess that sort of
>'cross post in' was not the sort that worries you

No, it bore some vague relation to the Vietnam War (conditions in the
jungles were cited as inhospitable to females).  But I suppose you didn't
have time to do this deep an analysis of my reaction, what with all the
other tripe you were spewing out on all those other newsgroups.

>I will, from now on, understand that when you say 'a great many' that you
>are using traditional Boatswain'smate Mathmatics: " one, two, another
>one...."

Sure sweety, so long as the boatswain's mate is counting the thousands of
protestors on the streets and in the campuses during the late 1960's and
70's.

Or did you forget about them already?

And yet again, our little sweety cross-posts to talk.politics.misc!
-- 
Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."