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From: news@hybrid.GTS.ORG (BSDI si  ATnT no)
Subject: "hybrid" News, Uucp & Rmail report
Organization: The Home for Undeployed Basselopes, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: tor
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:33:56 GMT

	For the 24-hour period ending Sun Jan 24 07:18:23 EST 1993


					USENET  NEWS

			   Articles Incoming		 |  Articles Outgoing
	       Posted Contrl Junked Duplic Reject  Total | Queued Contrl  Total

Totals		8,139	 297	  4  5,426     21 13,887   32,306    595 32,901

torsqnt		3,597	  94	  3  2,672	   6,366    4,467     46  4,513
feline		2,259	  36	     2,177     14  4,486    5,817    108  5,925
torag		1,188	  15	       486	   1,689    6,934    145  7,079
lethe		  886	  55	  1	18	7    967    7,127    161  7,288
becker		  146	  16		37	     199    5,570    106  5,676
scilink							      778     11    789
haberfellner						      388      3    391
jrh		    2			 3	       5      325      1    326
chance		    1				       1      278      4    282
cherni							      264      2    266
robohack	   31			 3	      34      175      5    180
sq							      129      3    132
cbmtor		   28			30	      58
united							       47	     47
skypod								7	      7
<local>		    1	  81			      82

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Totals	     26,577  9,685     741    602    865.7	173    173     34    34

torag	     10,447  3,402     856    653    290.3
feline	      5,912    340     620  1,027    164.3
torsqnt	      5,764    154     902  1,282    108.5		13	      4
lethe	      3,008    903     708  1,172     83.7		 1	      1
becker	      1,219    259     431    529     55.3	 14	 1	6     1
chance		  3    561     214    204     46.1	  3		1
cherniak	  1    909     157    420     36.2	  2		2
scilink		     1,385	      854     27.0
jrh		     1,147	      724     26.4		 6	      2
robohack	 55    330     378    691     10.4	 26	       15
lsuc		 79	       216	       6.1	 79		3
united			68	      224      5.0
web		 47    107     824    684      3.5	 46	 3	5     1
cbmtor		 42	33     713  1,078      1.5		33	      1
ibmcan			87	    1,172      1.2		86	      6
sq								30	     18
<local>							  1		2

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Newsgroups: tor.news.stats
From: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator)
Subject: skule.ecf news summary
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:38:11 GMT

News log summary from Jan 22 05:06:38 to Jan 23 05:16:53

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Newsgroups: tor.news.stats
From: jean@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Jean Scholtz)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.general,comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk,psu.msgs
Subject: Looking for object-oriented volunteers
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6754
Distribution: or

We are recruiting volunteers to participate in a study of transfer effects
between procedural and object-oriented languages.  We are looking for
experienced object-oriented programmers.  We would like people who have
at least two years of industry object-oriented programming experience, as well
as having completed at least junior-level computer science classes.  The
volunteers will be paid $20.  We are recruiting for two different types of
studies.  One study is a pencil-and-paper design.  The participants are
given a problem statement and are asked to design the class hierarchies which
would be used to implement the problem.  The other study is similar to the
first, except that the subjects will be videotaped and will also be asked to
vocalize their thoughts as they work.  Both studies should last approximately
two hours.  The videotaped sessions will be held at the HCI lab at Portland
State.  If you are interested, please send email to Scott MacHaffie at
sm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu.  In your email, please indicate which study you would like
to participate in (the videotaped one or the non-videotaped one).  If you have
a preferred time, you can include that in your email as well.

Scott MacHaffie
sm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:38:07 PST

briand@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brian D Diehm) writes:
> 
> A year or so ago, the State Police asked for a fundamental change in Oregon
> traffic law. They asked that the 25 MPH speeds in neighborhoods be absolute
> speed limits - doesn't matter if you can prove you were safe, you're breaking
> the law.
> 

Oh, good.  Now, how can we get the State Police to start enforcing it?
Well, if it would inconvenience you, it's fine with me if they only
enforce it in a few places, as long as one of them is my block.  We lose
a *bunch* of thousands of dollars on the value of our home because of 
the idiots who think that, on a nice straight street with low traffic,
it's perfectly safe to go 30, 40, or 50 mph.  We don't have more than a
dozen or so vehicles going past in an hour even at peak times, and we're 
a single-family residential area, and the appraisal says we're on a "Busy"
street.

When you say you can prove *you* were safe, you forget about the little
children who can't be allowed to get the mail out of the mailbox, or who
panic when the cat doesn't come on the first call.

I had a friend once who got a ticket for running a red light in a deserted
neighborhood at three a.m.  He was quite sure he could convince the judge
that there was no need for him to wait, since there was "nobody around".
(And who, I asked, and/or what, saw you to issue the ticket?)

And don't forget, Cliff Robinson figures he can do 110 safely on an urban
stretch of interstate.

And you wonder why young men have to pay such high insurance premiums.

--Suzii.
palepink@lily.arts.com

Xref: sparky or.general:820 pdx.general:1503
From: kathyv@sirius.cci.tek.com (Kathy Vineyard)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.general
Subject: Desperately Need Temp Home for Collie
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: kathyv@sirius.cci.tek.com
Followup-To: or.general
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Beaverton, OR

We are looking for a temporary home for a Smooth Collie for about a
month.  He is a 3 year old Sable male, *Smooth* (short coat) Collie.

The reason:
The family this dog belongs to has fallen apart.  The husband left the
family a few weeks ago with all possessions and money.  The lady's
company went bankrupt a week later leaving her jobless.  She is
literally devasted and is checking into a woman's shelter *this*
weekend with her three children.  She's determined to get back on her
feet, but needs a place to keep her dog until then.  The dog belongs to
her 12 year old daughter and they really don't want to give the dog up
completely, but of course, can't take the dog into the shelter with
them.

I personally have no other details, but if you think you can help we
would certainly appreciate a call.  Please call Carol at (503)
647-5455.

Thanks so much,

Kathy Vineyard and the Cresthaven Collies ...
  Suede		(CH Kings Valley Time 'N Again CD)
  Colt		(CH Kings Valley Cresthaven Colt HCT,TT,CGC,VC)
  Steffie	(CH Cresthaven Step 'N Time)
  Stetson	(Cresthaven Stetson, 14 pts, both majors)
  Dillon	(Cresthaven Dillon, ptd)
  Lace		(Cen-Cal Riverain Blue Lace, ptd)

email: kathyv@sirius.cci.tek.com
Newsgroups: or.test
From: saigel@or.credence.com (Saige Losli)
Subject: Testing my signature
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR
Distribution: credence
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:54:00 GMT

I am just testing the signature line...
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
This is my signature.  It's the only one I've got.  Hope you like it!

Internet:  saigel@or.credence.com
From: rrunkel@willamette.edu (Ross R. Runkel)
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: Test1
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:07:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.C1FMvx.FBD
Distribution: or
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR


This is a test.  Test 1.

Ross R. Runkel, Prof. of Law, Willamette Univ.,  Salem, OR  97301
Telnet rrunkel@Willamette.EDU Voice 503 370-6411 Fax 503 370-6375
From: pelinkad@elcsci.com
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: test
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:57:14 PST
Organization: Electro Scientific Industries, Portland OR

This is a test to determine if this item will be rejected by the filter
in NEWS.SYS.
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: test
From: pelinkad@elcsci.com
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:57:14 PST
Organization: Electro Scientific Industries, Portland OR
X-NEWS: tenor or.test: 64

This is a test to determine if this item will be rejected by the filter
in NEWS.SYS.

Newsgroups: or.test
From: saigel@or.credence.com (Saige Losli)
Subject: Testing the signature
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR
Distribution: credence
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:56:11 GMT

Second test of the signature line.
From: rrunkel@willamette.edu (Ross R. Runkel)
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: Test2
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:19:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.C1FnGL.Fyq
Distribution: or
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR


This is a test.  Test 2.

Ross R. Runkel, Prof. of Law, Willamette Univ.,  Salem, OR  97301
Telnet rrunkel@Willamette.EDU Voice 503 370-6411 Fax 503 370-6375
From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: test 2
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:54:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: forthd.151.2b627581
Distribution: or
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

test 2
-- 
 John Lebert                          Internet: johnl@espace.rain.com
 Fourth Dimension                        Voice: 911
 Portland, OR                             
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From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: test
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:53:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: forthd.150.2b62752c
Distribution: or
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

test
-- 
 John Lebert                          Internet: johnl@espace.rain.com
 Fourth Dimension                        Voice: 911
 Portland, OR                             
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From: clif@efn.org (Clif Cox)
Newsgroups: or.test
Subject: testit
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:46:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: efn.1993Jan27.224639.1770
Organization: Prototype Eugene Free Net

This should not leave Oregon.
From: labelle@hfglobe.intel.com (George La Belle)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: Religion is belief, not behavior (was Re: new initiative)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:40:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: hfglobe.C1HAry.Iz2
Organization: Intel Corporation

stever@crosstalk.tv.tek.com (Steven E. Rice  P.E.) writes:

>Scott seems confused about the difference between belief and behavior.
>Religion is a belief, although there may be behaviors which stem from
>that belief.  (James, the brother of Jesus, addressed that very issue

	Fine, the analogy is correct. If homosexuals "believe" they are
	attracted to same sex partners, then act upon that belief; how does
	this differ from  Christians who "believe" Jesus is god and act
	accordingly? Looks the same to me. Belief leads to behaviour in
	both cases and is the basis for "minority" status.

		George
Newsgroups: or.politics
From: stever@crosstalk.tv.tek.com (Steven E. Rice  P.E.)
Subject: Re: Religion is belief, not behavior (was Re: new initiative)
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:34:47 GMT

In response to my article elaborating on the difference between beliefs
and behaviors, Scott Linn (scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com) responded in article
<1993Jan27.190257.16839@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>:

> Fine.  The OCA and various factions don't even try to hide behind the
> behaviors; they attack the *beliefs*.  Just look at their first proposal:
> declare homosexuality as abnormal, wrong and perverse.  . . .

It is my understanding that the wording of Measure 9 was directed at
behaviors, not beliefs.  I can't speak for the OCA.  Call Lon Mabon
and ask him (just don't pretend you're from The Oregonian, or he won't
talk to you).

>                                                  . . .  It doesn't matter
> if a homosexual has anal intercourse or whatever.  If two members of the
> same sex were seen kissing, that's that.  . . .

Eh?  Isn't kissing a behavior?  And, more to the point, did Measure 9
really say anything about kissing?

>                                    . . .  So, the OCA and its ilk aren't
> attacking behaviors, they are attacking either beliefs or nature, depending
> on how you interpret some recent medical investigations.

Again, you'll have to check with Lon Mabon to be sure, but it was my
understanding of Measure 9 that it prohibited behaviors, not beliefs.

>>    2. In Medford, Oregon, . . .

> That's Roseburg, Oregon.

Thanks for correcting my error.

					Steve Rice

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stever@tv.tv.Tek.com                                   [phone (503) 627-1320]
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: new initiative
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:49:00 GMT

downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:

>In article <1993Jan18.235450.19756@reed.edu>,
>	nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>I want children in schools to be taught things about homosexuality
>>comparable to what they are taught about heterosexuality. [...]

>along with the other "social" aspects you listed, thanks to liberals,
>children are taught far, far more about heterosexuality in the public
>schools than just the "social" aspects.

In such a boring manner, and with such a "technical" presentation
as to be essentially worthless.

>since they generally are taught how to have "straight" sex in middle
>schools, and are provided condoms in order to practice what they're taught,
>i can only assume that you're in support of far more than just the
>teaching of the "social" aspects of homosexuality in the public schools.
>since you stated you wish homosexuality to be taught in the same manner
>as heterosexuality.

1. please provide references thaty show that they are taught how to
   have straight sex. I *seriously* doubt that they are taught how.
   More likely there will be a *reference* to something like "intercourse
   involves the insertion of the penis into the vagina". And that's as
   much "how to" as you get. Big deal...
2. You are putting words into his mouth. You are assuming all right. But
   with no justification. You are arguing that he "must" mean that
   because that is what you are against. Non sequitir.


>public schools shouldn't be involved in sex at all, it simply attributes
>to more teens having sex, and thus more teenage pregnancies, and thus
>(no doubt soon to be urged upon them by the school itself) more abortions.

Oh really? The figures seem to argue otherwise. And distibuting condoms
is a recognition of the *fact* that telling the kids "don't have sex"
DOES NOT WORK.


>>There is no similar culturation about issues of gays and lesbians. If
>>they know anything about homosexuality, it's probably more along the
>>lines of "smear the queer" than a realistic and positive portrayal of
>>the existence of a significant number of Americans.

>but that *isn't* how liberalism would present homosexuality within the
>public education system. see above.

That isn't not they way that *you* think it would be presented. It *is*
they we that we *want* it presented. You seem to have this idea that
gays are trying to "recruit". And it's utter hogwash.

>>The latest OCA crap would make this sort of education impossible.

>thank god.

You are willing to prevent the kind of education Nelson is talking
about because you are afraid that it will go "too far". And thus, to
"protect" the children you are willing to allow *huge* numbers
of teenagers to die needlessly.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
From: labelle@hfglobe.intel.com (George La Belle)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: new initiative
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:15:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: hfglobe.C1FHqo.26s
Organization: Intel Corporation

downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:
>>orientation is a choice. 

>actually, it doesn't matter if it's a choice, or not. homosexuality is
>a type of _behaviour_, and cannot be treated as the basis for a minority
>class because of that fact.


	So is one's religion! Can I then discriminate against people
	who _choose_ to live a certain religion???

		George (let people do what the hell they want!)
From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: new initiative
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:56:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1jojskINNg4l
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan21.054900.6238@qiclab.scn.rain.com,
	Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>[...] And thus, to
>"protect" the children you are willing to allow *huge* numbers
>of teenagers to die needlessly.

huge? *huge*? i think not.

i asked for actual numbers, and got percentages and ratios in return.
to coin a phrase, nothing lies more than percentages.

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Newsgroups: or.politics
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: Religion is belief, not behavior (was Re: new initiative)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:02:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvca.1993Jan27.190257.16839
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

stever@crosstalk.tv.tek.com (Steven E. Rice  P.E.) writes:
: The difference is in the actions which result from the respective
: beliefs.  In his letter to the Christians at Galatia(*), the Apostle
: Paul reminded his readers that the Roman government had passed no
: laws forbidding the behaviors that result from believing in Christ:

Fine.  The OCA and various factions don't even try to hide behind the
behaviors; they attack the *beliefs*.  Just look at their first proposal:
declare homosexuality as abnormal, wrong and perverse.  It doesn't matter
if a homosexual has anal intercourse or whatever.  If two members of the
same sex were seen kissing, that's that.  So, the OCA and its ilk aren't
attacking behaviors, they are attacking either beliefs or nature, depending
on how you interpret some recent medical investigations.

:    2. In Medford, Oregon, a man whose name I don't remember is in
:       jail.  At least at one time, he was a professing Christian
:       and a lay leader in his church.  But he isn't in jail because
:       of his beliefs.  He is in jail awaiting trial on charges that
:       he sexually abused a number of children with the intent of
:       infecting them with AIDS.

That's Roseburg, Oregon.

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: or.politics
From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Subject: Re: educational system
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:10:02 GMT

In article <1jokjsINNgi6@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:
|
|the same thing would accomplished, and manage to cause many more "good"
|things to happen, if different ethnic cultures were _not_ focused upon. rather,
|american culture should be taught.

Can you tell me what constitutes "American culture"?  The U.S. is a pluralistic
society (i.e., the American "melting pot") which has derived much, but
synthesized little.  Jazz is truly American, and the "cowboy," but this
statement sounds too much like advocacy of "white man's cultural perspective."

|that, far more generalized, background would not point out the differences
|between races, but rather how all races have contributed a single culture
|within this country...

Wow, that sounds like multiculturalism, despite the lie that we have a single
culture in this country.  We are not a monoculture, like the Japanese.  In fact,
the history of American culture has been one of assimulation of diverse
ethnicities.  And just like genetic variability within an enclave, our cultural
diversity in the past has proven to be a strength, not a weakness.

|and that would in the end make the subjects of such education feel much more
|equal - they'd be americans, not jewish-americans, not african-americans, not
|whatever.

What (or rather, which) monocultural perspective would you teach in the
schools?  The conventional, white male, western civ perspective?  Perhaps you'd
teach it strickly from an African point of view, or an Oriental one?  Each of
these offer a unique perspective on American history and culture, and the
merging of them in a teaching environment is what multiculturalism is all about.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed			Home Animation Ltd.		503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com	5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

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--Steve Wright
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