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From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:28:54 GMT

In article <3932@key.COM> patel@key.amdahl.com writes:
>-In article 10532@tandem.com, rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava) writes:
>-> In article <3928@key.COM>, patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel) writes:
>-> |> Enjoy.
>-> |> 
>-> |> Chandresh Patel	
>
>-> I agree with you but that person also clears through a pre-interview resume
>-> screening while he/she may clear based on fake high grades, degrees etc. This 
>-> is unfair especially when a qualified person whith a little less true academic
>-> achievements is denied an interview chance.
>-> 
>-> -Rajesh
>
>This would be true only for candidates who are just students applicants
>without industry experience.  How many HR work solely based on paper
>credentials without checking their authencity? I don't know.
>But I don't presume many.
>
>Now, if the FAKE candidate did well in the interview and landed the job on
>merit,  the job was not worth (in the eyes of TRUE candidates as the other
>guy is not a qualified person so the job capability is for non-qualified person)
>and the TRUE candidate should continue to look for a qualified job. (Whatever
>that means. :)
>
>In a capitalist system, most of the time the right candidate gets the job.
>Its the perceived match and not a piece of credential that will usually count. And
>finally, if not this job then another. And if all fails, the indian industry
>is still in dire need of QUALIFIED candidates. An unqualified person from India 
>may land a job here and a qualified person will definately land a job there. 
>A fair exchange?
>
>
>Chandresh Patel	
>patel@key.amdahl.com

My intention in posting about this item was to draw attention to two
things! 

1) Suppose two people from TN apply for something in US.
   They are not yet residing in US. One is genuine and one is fake.
   Who would you prefer to choose; the fake or the real. It doesn't
   matter what their competence is. That requires one to check the
   varacity of applicants from TN, because atleast, at the moment,
   the decease of deceipt is confined to TN. If the decease has spread
   wide, then one needs to scrutinize all. 

2) The ugliness of this has implications for all of us, if not today
   some other day.

   As for as TN residents in US are concerned, the story should not affect
   them. In most cases their progress here is governed either by orally
   talking to them, or through references; how good these are, it is
   difficult to say. 

If we take this notion of  "degrees of deceipt", it shows how the values
of education in the society have declined; TN seems to open our eyes.

...kt
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From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:38:45 GMT





In article <Bz5I1n.5uE@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayan
a) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.202832.119630@marshall.wvnet.edu> yea027@marshall.wvnet.
edu writes:
>>In Response to an article on the Indian net:
>>
>>Please tell me which temples Muhammad broke? I really am not familiar with
>>this.  Muhammad broke IDOLS so to get people to worship the one ALLAH that ha
s
>>no partners.  Idol worship takes people from the true path of GOD Allah
>>and takes them to polytheism and thinking that a statue can help them.
>>
>
>Actually there is a parallel to this! We have one dravidian racist known as
>EVR and his followers who went and broke the idols in temples. But they
>were doing it to show their hatred for Brahmins. Was this idol breaking


     Why are you (Aryan racist !) lying.  Do you have one example for this.  It
is true Periyar fought the Hindu and Brahmin fundamementalism with tooth and 
nail.  He ridiculed Hinduism and Brahminism.  He and his followers  took
 Vinayaka's statue (procured by themselves, not stolen from any temple) in a 
procession by beating with chappels etc.  It is true he hurt the ordinary Hindu
sentiments too by doing that.  But he never broke any idols in any temples.  
You Aryan racist, Hindu fanatic, is not happy to see that there is no major
religious violence in Tamil Nadu where Periyar tried to kill the fundamentalism
to death. I can understand your anger.


S. Sankarapandi


>by mohammad some sort of hate release exercise of him and his followers.
>But if allah is one, why did not mohammad consider that all idols are
>nothing bu t allah. What is this excuse that you are offereing for
>mohammad who went and broke idols.
>
>>A Mosque is a holy house of Allah.  When Muhammad went to the Ka'ba, he DID n
ot
>>distroy the Ka'ba that housed the mutliple 'gods' but rather tore down the
>>idols that stood in it.
>>
>>
>
>..kt
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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: riot letter in NY Times
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Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:23:52 GMT
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I hope copy of letter is also going to NY Times, etc. It will get more 
exposure.

Last week, possibly Wednesday's NY Times, had a letter in NY Times condemning
the riots signed by 29 academics including:
	Amartya Sen
	Susanne Rudolph ["In Puruit of Lakshmi"], [U Chicago]
	Subramaniam [U Chicago ?]
	
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From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Address of the Madras Office of "THE HINDU"
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:56:54 GMT

jej@quip.eecs.umich.edu (janani janakiraman) writes:

>Does anyone know the address of the Madras office of the
>newspaper "THE HINDU"?

>Janani
>(jej@caen.engin.umich.edu)

The Hindu
Anna Salai
Madras 600 002

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From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: ......  back to normal? ......
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:58:23 GMT


<Not about India>

soc.culture.indian is finally back to normal...

Articles with more included text than opinions now form 90%
of the junk...

A week it took...  to recover!


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Is is possible to form a mailing list to discuss day to day politics...
wading thruogh shit is getting a bit tiring (more tiring than stinking)


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: mazeem@reed.edu (Mohammad Azeem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: BJP states removal...
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:56:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR


A note of thanks to Mr.PVNR is in order from the Sangh Parivar.It
seems he will help in digging his own grave and that of Congress , at
least in the north. Help from an unexpected quarter, indeed !
  
Keep up the good work PVNR...let the whole world see the implementation
of the great Congress secularism for Bharat Mata.

		--- Prabhu Ambatipudi
		    prabhu@jplsar.jpl.nasa.gov
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:28:27 GMT

(Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>(Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
>>>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>>>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
>>>>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
>>>>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, there have been relief efforts set up,
>>>entire issues of magazines devoted to the famine, etc. etc.
>>>
>>I ought to apologize for the relative ignorance of Islamic efforts.
>
>No need to apologize :-)
>Seriously, the efforts I've described have mostly been at the level
>of the populace rather than the governments (with one or two exceptions),
>so I'm not surprised that most people haven't heard of them.
>
>I don't think that the richer members of the OIC would dare do anything 
>without explicit US support, these days.  Even with US support, they
>probably wouldn't do anything that might be interpreted as support for
>"pan-Islamism".  

Certainly US wouldn't mind if OIC takes out its checkbook and reimburses
US for the entire cost of Operation Restore Hope which is helping save
an Islamic nation. Certainly the Muslims in Bosnia can use a little
help. Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it appear that OIC
is long on rhetoric and short on actual help?

Satya Prabhakar
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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Re:Hindu kutey
Date: 11 Dec 92 00:07:11 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec10.221413.14532@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>....... (deleted)........
> 
> My dear Mani,
> 
> Their is a difference in demolishing an old unused mosque building and
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> burning of six women and children praying in a temple in pakistan.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Methinks that Alok has hit the nail on the head. 

> 
> Don't get too emotional about a structure. One got to condemn the loss
> of life more than the loss of a material structure like a building.
> Besides the mosque building was a disputed structure so one got to think
> twice before condemning it. But burning of women and children in an
> undisputed structure is heinous.
> 
> This sort of confused analogy is what has gotten us Indians in trouble
> in this case.

 It always had. Probably it is lack of the sense of judgement that is now
 driving Indians towards a total moral hollowness. Therefore, it is quite
 conceiveable that in the near future, minorities will take an oppressive
 role to control the majority. Both the Hindu and Muslim groups (the latter
 being viewed by the Amnesty International 1990 report as conducting wide-
 spread terrorism on a global scale), will dish out their malice at the 
 expense of superior political cognizance and muscle flexing. In retrospect,
 what Alok has written is just apt enough to summarize the *nature of 
 brutalities* on both sides. It simply goes to show that in Pakistan, Muslims
 (I mean those who are numerical majority) have the right to excerise any
 kind of violence (no matter how bestial it might be - belonging to the
 Barbarism Incarnate - Tamerlane/ Chengis Khan etc.) - on unarmed, absolutely
 non-violent, physically weak minority. I just wander what wrong did the
 children do ? Is it a punishment that the Hindus must bow down to ?

> 
> Shame on you.
> 
> Alok

  I also have saved a posting from one Mr.Shams Hassan who has commented that
  Hinduism is racist - commenting on caste system etc. (I will assume that he
  is right.) If, based on what Alok has analysed, I assert that Pakistan has
  been practising the *most brutal* form of Islamic rules, on her weak minority
  section, then am I making an unfair comparison ?????? I might also take
  the opportunity to point out that when Saudi Arabia sentenced 10 Indian
  actors and does covertly harass the Hindu travellers going thru' their 
  country via Gulf Air, how many Indian Muslim children were roasted alive ? 
  I am trying to say in the same lines as Alok. Just compare the _level_ of 
  retaliation, forgetting who is right and who is wrong.

     - deb chatterjee
    (a good samaritan)
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From: qzuhair@milton.u.washington.edu (Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RELIGION:  The Opiate of False Believers
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:27:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.002757.9413
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec12.225415.19096@news.cs.brandeis.edu> anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <Bz3sEs.8CJ@cs.dal.ca>, kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>
>>I can only
>>hope that others, too, will open their minds.  Religion, foax, is the
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>opiate of false believers.  But it is more toxic than any drug because
>>whole societies are prey to its "high", not just addicted individuals.


    To the contrary, I hope that you will open your mind and realize and
understand the reality of life. 

>>	To truly believe in GOD is to shun religion in favor of the order 
>>and beauty of the nature around us, ie. the birds, the flowers, the sun,
>>the moon, the water, etc.  It is these things that provide evidence of 
>>the existence of GOD and GOD within us, ie. goodness, virtue, love, 
>>compassion, etc.

  To the contrary, to truly believe in GOD, and the only GOD that is Allah, 
enables one to understand and appreciate the beauty of the nature around us,
i.e. the birds, the flowers, the sun, the moon, the water, etc, all being the
creation of GOD, that is, Allah.

>
>> 	As I see it, religion is an artificial spirituality created by man 
>>to gain control over man.  It is constructed in such a fashion as to 
>>appeal to the goodness within us.  I don't have problems with this, 
>>necessarily.  But where it fails, and has failed I think - and I am 
>>alluding to all religions here (Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, 
>>Judaism, etc.) - is that religion has always ended up substituting for 
>>the goodness within us, substituting for GOD within us.  And this most 
>>definitely invites trouble. 

     To say it truly, you have denied your arguments yourself by saying
"it is constructed...", it is "created by man..." and so forth. The reality
is, that you have just explained the situation in the modern times when the
religion is being "constructed, exploited and manipulated" by religous clergy
and politicians "to gain control over man". The trouble being that you are
including all religions and I am a muslim, who believe that Islam is the true
religion, and hence you would regard my views as one_sided or bias and as an
agnostic, you would consider my arguments (being within Islamic context) just
as would for other religion. Thus, I leave it to others, to disapprove your 
arguments, more formally.


NEWTON.....
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From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:40:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.183318.23288@lgc.com> thiru@lgc.com (Thiru Bollam) writes:
>>(Satya Prabhakar)'s opinion:
>>opinion in no way dilutes the responsibility of BJP/VHP combine.
>>They have wreaked havoc on India for their political ends and should
>>be tried and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
>>Muslims are in no way responsible for what has happened. But,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   Are you interested in taking cure to symptoms or look for eliminating
>   the cause?? When Hindus have learned to live harmoniously with
>   other minorities, parsis, jains, christians etc. in India, why should
>   you think they will have problems living with only muslims? Why don't 

I asked a friend of mine the same question. He attributes it to
the strength in numbers. He says that if Christians were as large
a fraction of the entire population, we would have the same
kind of problems. Since no one knows for sure, I am inclined to
give benefit of doubt wherever it is due.

>   It's unfortunate things have turned this way (because of congie), but
>   we should strongly express our support for RSS at this moment and
>   extra-strongly rebute the center's behavior.
>
>   Satya, please support your sentences when you say somethings like
>   'muslims are not responsible, and implicate nationalistic organizations'
>

This statement focuses on the events of the past one week. I see
no reason why Muslim organizations can be held responsible for
what has happened. It was BJP/VHP/RSS fanatics who chose to bring
matters to a ignominous head by taking law into their hands. And
for this you want us to hail RSS! If the BJP coterie was so much
on the side of right, why couldn't they get the Supreme Court
to rule on their behalf. There is a single culprit in this whole
tragic mess: B J P. All I was saying is that the Islamic leader-
ship could have averted it by choosing a path of conciliation 
than a path of conflict.
>
>   Take care,

Hopefully this is a benevolent wish than a virulent threat :-)
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From: kavuri@lips1.ecn.purdue.edu (Surya N Kavuri )
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill.
Keywords: communal carnage
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.001522.18118@massey.ac.nz>, P.S.Susarla@massey.ac.nz (P.S. Susarla) writes:
> 
> If one recollects the past communal violences in Hyderabad,
> authentically one can say that all of them were the initiatives of
> muslims...When hindus retaliate, they are branded as militants etc
> etc...
> 
> 
> Susarla

The killings in Hyderabad (if you prefer, call it communal violence)
is ALWAYS in the areas where Muslims are dominated in number - such
as the old city.  All the problems in the world today (including
Serbians) seem to have a Muslim-connection.  Either these people
are trouble-mongers or it is a surprising coincidence.


Surya Kavuri
From: gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:27:43 GMT
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Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <1gqib3INNosi@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Worma writes:
>>	Once Akbar asked Brahmins he wanted to become a Hindu. Brahmins said
>>	no, you don't need to. Just practice whatever your innermost self
>>	says is right.
>>-- Virendra Verma
>
>	Then why do you holler out your poor lungs at Ed when he wants to 
>	eat cow meat, O Janus-faced Worma? Ed's innermost self says it's
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	right to eat meat and wrong to eat plants. :)
>
>	FFT

        M/s Fafat, Verma &Ed,


        Why do you keep griding cow meat (don't say it is not for meat balls)
	on the net? We have a large percentage of HINDUs in the south who
	eat cow meat (include bull meat/ ox meat etc. ;{). I am sure the
	the number of cow-eating Hindus is about 30% in the south. They
	Use the skin to make musical instruments such as thappatta, thudumbu
	etc and it is a tradition that each family plays their instrument
	in front of a local temple at least once a year. Some of these Hindus
	are in fact called the people of Vishnu by Gandhi. So, please
	stop insulting these hindus. Thanks.

gopal
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From: sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu (Sanjay Bhatia)
Subject: Check this out!!!  News from Bombay.
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:03:31 GMT

Hi everyone,
	I just spoke to my brother and so here is some news and
information.  Things have calmed down for the most part and the army
and all are leaving.  But there is this other bad  news that is
basically a fallout of whatever has already happened.  
	In some areas, Crawford Market, SantaCruz, Bandra where there
are a sizable number of Muslim goondas and Sindhi businesses, there is
a different type of a problem.  As the businesses opened up on Monday,
armed gangs went around and beat up Sindhi shopowners.  The escuse :
L.K. Advani caused all the trouble and he is a Sindhi!  And this is
not something secretive.  It happened in public and in broad daylight.
Personally we know 2 people who have had this unfortunate experience.
The cops, as usual want nothing to do with this.  Apart from that, the
Haj Committee people near Crawford Market are demanding Rs. 10,000
from all hindu shopkeepers in the area.  This includes markets like
Mangaldas Market, Mohta Market among others.  10,000 bucks for nothing
at all.  
	This post is not to give anyone tension or anthing.  I am not
your average muslim-basher or anything.  Some of you may wonder what
the hell am i to do with Bombay's news.  This is just to give you an
idea of the aftermath of one of the tragedies of our lifetime.
Ideas? Comments?  Mail me or reply here.  
Flames > /dev/null.

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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:13:44 GMT
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In article <1992Dec14.063835.10691@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi) writes:
>   the honor of their clans and their women folk. In fact, there is i think
>   (some one can correct me), there is only one instance of a woman burning
>   herself on her husband's pyre  mentioned in the pre-muslim period and
>   that was of MAdri in mahabharata...but anyone will agree that it is not
>   sati.


Suppose that woman WAS committing a full fledged sati by any standards.
So what! If I do some really bizzare stuff (maybe dance nude with a pig :)
then does that mean Hinduism preaches us to dance nude with pigs ? 

There is no denying that there were instances of Sati even before Islamic 
invasion but this concept got Rigidified among the Rajputs (which form
a very small portion of the Hindu population) only after the Islamic 
invasion. Now it is as good as dead. I don't see how hinduism has anything 
to do with it.

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