From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:49:50 GMT

In article <13772@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># ## #bisexuals.
># 
># #I've already posted, repeatedly, a number of sources that show
># #that men molesting boys are somewhere between 20% and 26% of
># #child molestation.  That's about 5x the number of homosexuals
># #in the population.
># 
># Many male pedophiles are straight men who abuse young boys simply because it is
>
>That's right, straight men are the ones that have sex with the same
>sex!  More game playing by the people that redefine homosexual when
>convenient.

I hate idiots.

In anthropology there was this great search for 'families' accross
the globe.  A family was defined as "a group in which children are
educated, fed and looked after by one or more adults".  Well, what
what was found?  It was found that in every society there was an
institution that fed, clothed educated and looked after children.  
It always had one or maor adults involved.  *AMAZING* don't you 
think?

The point is, ofcourse, to subtle for Cramer.  I shall spell it out
for him.

THE DEFINITION USED WAS CIRCULAR. it effectively ignored such
differences as was it an all female group, was it an extended family,
were there specialisations in the group?  The scale was wrong.

I shall now translate this for Cramer as it is beyond his comprehension.

If you define all all same sex contact as homosexual then all men
who molest boys are homosexual, the act defines the person. (In this
case your  inept maths of 63%*21% is also wrong, but I will ignore that)

The sexuality of someone is how they *see themselves*, not how others
define them.  This is why someone in prison will considerthemselves
hetrosexuals but 'happily' screw his cell mate.  Indeed, in certain
cultures (latin american ones) you are only considered gay if you
are the person who gets fucked.  Cramer will never see the difference,
he is an idiot.


So what is the practical effect of this?  Well, I for one got off
with 30 of the 120 boys in my year at school.  I know of at least
20 others that I never got round to (sigh).  However, only 9 have
grown up to be openly gay or bisexual, strangely they are all my
closest school chums.  What about the others?  Many are married,
at least 3 have children (probably more, I do not keep in contact)
And of the ones I have talked to, well, they refer to it as 'messing
about'.  The ones I've asked say they don't do that sort of thing any-
more.

Tell me Cramer, are they gay or straight?  They consider themselves
straight.  So do I, they are no longer potential sexual patners.
Therefore they are not gay.  (by the way, the idea that they might
be gay and not fancy me is, quite frankly, incredible;-) Actually
the idea that any adult out there could resist my beautiful brown
eyes is kind of strange  :-{  )

In my work I have 'helped' victims of abuse and abusers.  One pedophile
I was counselling stated quite clearly that what he liked about little
boys was the same as he liked about women, the lack of hair on the
body and the lack of muscles.  I could tell you (verbatum) what he
said about other aspects of their *common* features but I am not
ethically allowed to.

Not one of the pedophiles I was the keyworker for expressed any interest
in adult males.

I have said enough, Cramer wont hear anyway. 

Finally I define gay/homosexual as  "a man who has sex with men".


Xavier 
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