From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:  Sorry,  you forgot Muhammad (PBUH)!
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.


YOU ARTICLE MAKES NO SENCE. PLEASE OPEN YOU EYES AND SEE WHAT IS GOING
ON IN THE WORLD?


In article <1992Apr12.073543.13367@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>,
ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:
> 
>        After going through 200 + articles of Ahmedie Muslims (unofficial)
> on scp I feel an urgent need of an article that basically make our faith
> more strong and if by chance we have gathered some wrong concepts 
> from our materialistic small world we should realize our standing. To
> start my discussion I will make few remarks on our present attitude 
> and these are for all the believers of one god, and that will most certainly
> cover  my Ahmedi friends.
> a)  Bani Israels were the chosen people of god on this earth,
> b)  Iman is just not  La-e-laha il-lal lah ,
> c)  People who misinterpreted quran for their cheap (quran has used
>       the word cheap....  qalil) gains will lose all their good deeds here 
>       and the world there after,
> d)  Down fall of Bani Israels was due to foolish questions on the 
>       slaughtering  of a cow and most simply they argued with Allah/god.
> e)  What quran is trying to present? Is it a symbolic representation of
>        something or is it an story book ? which is centuries old and has no 
>        new edition.
> f)   Islam zinda hoota hai har Karbala kai baad.....
> 
>        You may be an atheist  or an agnostic; or you may belong to anyone
> of the religious denominations that exists in the world today. You may
> be a communist (which are already on a decline) or a believer in demo
> -cracy or freedom. No matter what you are, and no matter what your
> religious and political beliefs, personal and social habits happen to be --
> YOU SHOULD NOT FORGET THIS MAN.
> 
> He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth.
> He preached a religion..... religion of Adam, Moses,Jesus and of every 
> Apostle, founded down a moral code, initiated numberless social and
> political reforms, eastablished a dynamic and powerful society to practice
> and represent his teachings, and completely revolutionized the world
> of human thought and action for all times to come. HIS NAME WAS
> MUHAMMAD, peace and blessing of Almighty God be upon him and
> he accomplished all these wonders in the unbelievably short span of 
> twenty-three years.
> 
> Q:   Why Allah send Muhammad to Arabian Peninsula not  Kharian, 
> Pakistan or  Pak Patan, India, and for god sake not in East Africa?
> 
> RECALL  your Islamic teachings ........  hope you will find something 
> like paganism, idol worship, drunkenness, debauchery, anarchy, and
> moral bankruptcy.
> 
> The encyclopedia Britannica calls MUHAMMAD (PBUH) "the most
> succesful of all religious personailities of the world". Bernard Shaw said
> about him that if Muhammad (PBUH) were alive today he would 
> succed in solving all those problems which threaten to destroy human
> civilization in our times." The world has had its share of great persona-
> lities. But these were one-sided figures who distinguished themselves
> in but one or two fields. None of the other great leaders or the world 
> ever combined in himself so many different qualities to such an amazing
> level of perfection as did Muhammad (PBUH).  
> 
> The lives and teaching of other great personalities of the world are 
> shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the 
> time and place of their birth, the mode and style of their lives,  the nature
> and detail of their teachings and the degrees and the measure of their 
> success or failure that it is impossible for humanity today to reconstruct 
> accurately and precisely the lives and teachings of those men.
>


TODAY THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD DON'T AGREE ON ALL THE TEACHINGS OF THE
HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H). THERE ARE SO MANY SECTS WITHIN ISLAM
AND EACH OF THEM BELEIVE IN MANY DIFERENT HADITHS. THEY ARE ALL NOT EVEN
IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MEANINGS OF VARIOUS VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN.
VARIOUS SECTS OF ISLAM HAS SERIOUS FATWAS AGAINST EACH OTHER. HOW CAN
YOU SAY THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AND
HIS LIFE IS SOMETHING HUMANITY CAN ACCURATELY AND PRECISELY RECONSTRUCT
ITSELF? WE ARE LOSING THEM. WE ARE FORGETTING THERE ESSENCE!




> 
> Q:  Is there any major difference in Lahori Ahmedies and other Ahmedies?
>        If there is any then what about the teaching of your Massayah?
>

WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 72 SECTS OF ISLAM? WHAT ARE THE
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MANY SECTS OF SUNNI ISLAM? WHAT ARE THE
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MANY SECTS OF SHIA ISLAM? IF THERE IS ANY THEN
WHAT ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H.)?



> 
> 
> Not so this man Muhammad (PBUH). Not only was he born in the fullest
> blaze of recorded history, but every detail of his private and public
life, of
> his actions and utterances, has been accurately documented and faith
> -fully preserved for our day.  The authenticity of the information so 
> preserved is vouched for not only by faithful followers but also by unbiased
> critics and open-minded scholars.
>

MUSLIM SCHOLORS ARE FIGHTING OVER THE UN-RECORDED HISTORY AND SAYING OF
THE HOLY PROPHET. IF EVERY THING WAS SO SIMPLE WHY ARE THE MUSLIMS
BROTHER OF TADAY FIGHTING LIKE ANY THING? THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H.) DID NOT EVEN LAST WHEN KHILAFAT-E-RASHADA
CAME TO END AND ISLAM WAS DIVIDED!



> 
> Q:  If Allah got such a nice messanger why now he need less capable person 
>       to carry his message? If the message of Allah was complete the day of
>       last Khutba and there are no new editions of quran why some new 
>       interpreter?  Can some other person explain Quran better than 
>       Muhammad (PBUH), the book that has been revealed on him?     



CAN YOU NOT SEE THE NEED OF A NEW MASSENGER? WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF
THE MUSLIM WORLD TODAY? ONE CAN EASILY SAY THEY ARE ON THE VERGE OF
EXPLOSION. MUSLIMS HAVE LOST THE TEACHINGS OF OUR HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD
(PBUH). THE TIME HAS COME WHEN WE NEED SOME DIVINE HELP FROM ALLAH. AND
ALLAH HAS BEEN DOING THAT THROUGH HIS MASSENGERS. ALLAH HAD PROMISED THE
ADVENT OF A MESSAIH FOR THE LATTER DAYS, SO HE FULFILLED HIS PROMISE AND
SENT HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD (A.S.) TO THIS WORLD TO SAVE THE MUSLIMS.
THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED THE CALL OF THIS PROMISED REFORMER, ALLAH HAS
BLESSED THEM. 

THE HOLY BOOK QURAN HAS BEEN REVEALED ON MUHAMMAD(PBUH), BUT THE PROPHET
MUHAMMAD(PBUH) IS NOT AMONG US TODAY TO INTERPRETATE IT. HIS
INTERPRETATIONS HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN. THE PROOF TO THIS IS, THAT WHY ARE
MUSLIMS TODAY FIGHTING ON SMALL ISSUES WHICH CAN BE RESOLVED FROM THE QURAN? 


> 
>       Sure Almighty God is not running out of his resources. If he wants, he 
> can send more prophets and certainly more books like Quran or may be a 
> new edition of it with some better explaination of NEW WORLD ORDER. 
> So if there is  room for one or more persons to come then why this old book, 
> I also demand a new book and atleast a new edition of it. 


WHEN ALLAH CAN SEND MORE PROPHETS? HE HAS DONE SO. HE SENT THE PROMISED
MESSIAH AND MAHDI IN FULFILMENT OF HIS OWN PROPHESIES. HE SENT THE HOLY
QURAN TO BE A BOOK FOR ALL AGES AND TIMES. WE JUST NEED REFORMERS AND
INTERPRETATORS WHO CAN EXPLAIN THE TEACHINGS OF THE QURAN FROM TIME TO
TIME. WHO CAN REMOVE THE MISCONCEPTION THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AMONG THE MUSLIMS.



> All those verses of 
> Quran which declares its supremecy are wrong (Na-oozobillah) and with 
> no great surprise I'm out of Islam. But if Islam was the religion of Adam 
> and others Apostles, where should I go now? My only fault is that I am 
> looking for future communication means wassila....pakistani version of 
> many biddaties..... a ladder to achieve higher ranks. Oh! budy here I forgot 
> my Taqwaa,  a scale to measure Iman. No problemo, I have developed this 
> habit over the years and I'm still forgetting things.
>  
>               Tum bata doo raz jo iss gumbate kirdanN maiN hai               
>               Maut ikk chobhta howa kanta dilai insaN maiN hai
>      
> At the level of ideas there is no system or thought and belief-secular or
> religious, social or political which could surpass or equal ISLAM- the 
> system which Muhammad (PBUH) propounded. In a fast changing 
> world, while other systems have undergone profound transformations,
> islam alone has remained above all change and mutation ( changes made
> by a small faction or by all factions are  like Bani Israel  and they are
> not muslims and their religion is not Islam), and retained its original form
> for the past 1400 years. What is more, the positive changes that are taking
> place in the world of human thought  and behavior, truly and consistently
> reflect the healthy influence of Islam in these areas. 
>


SURE! I CAN SEE TH HEALTHY INFLUENCE OF ISLAM IN THIS WORLD. MUSLIM
BROTHERS ARE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER AND TO GET THERE PROBLEMS SOLVED
THEY ARE INVITING THERE MUSLIM LEADER GOERGE BIN BUSH TO GET THEIR
PROBLEMS SOLVED. IRAN IS FIGHTING WITH IRAQ, KUWAIT WITH IRAQ. ETC. ETC.
WELL, THANKS TO OUR MUSLIM WORLD LEADER GOERGE BIN BUSH WHO IS HELPING
US OUT. DO YOU CALL THIS HEALTHY? WAKE UP MR YOUR DREAM IS OVER!



> 
> Further, it is not given to the best of thinkers to put their ideas
completely
> into practice, and see the seeds of their labors grow and bear fruit in their
> own lifetime. Except of course,  Muhammad (PBUH), who not only 
> preached the most wonderful ideas but also successfully translated each
> one of them into practice in his own lifetime. At the time of his death his
> teachings were not mere percepts and ideas straining for fulfillment, but
> had become the very core of the life of tens of thousands of perfectly 
> trained individuals, each one of whom was a marvelous personification of
> everything that Muhammad (PBUH) taught and stood for. At what 
> other time or place and in relation to what other political , social ,
> religious
> system, philosophy or ideology-did the world ever witness such perfectly
> amazing phenomenon?


THE PERFECT AMAZING PHENOMENON DID NOT LAST LONG. THROUGH GENERATIONS
MUSLIM UMMAH HAS LOST ITS PURITY. THE TIME NOW REQUIRES THE ADVENT OF
ANOTHER MASSENGER. OTHERWISE THE QUALITY OF THE MUSLIMS WILL GO ON
DETERIORATING AND WILL EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE! 



> Indeed no other system or ideology secular or religious, social or political,
> ancient or modern could ever claim the distinction of having been put 
> into practice in its fullness and entirety EVEN ONCE in this world, either
> before or after the death of its founder. 


WELL, NO OTHER SYSTEM OR IDEOLY ...... EVER CLAIMED THE DISTINCTION WHAT
PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) AND HIS FOLLOWERS HAD, BUT WHAT GOOD ARE THEY
DOING TODAY TO THE MUSLIM WORLD. IS THE WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD TODAY
FOLLOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) TOLD THEM? 



> Except of course  ISLAM, the 
> ideology preached by Muhammad which was established as a complete
> way of life by the teacher himself, before he departed from this world.
> History bears testimony to this fact and the greatest skeptics have no
> option but to concede this point.
>


THE GREATEST SKEPTICS AND HISTORY BEARS TESTIMONY AND CONCEDE TO THIS
POINT. THEY AGREE THAT ISLAM IS A GREAT RELIGION. BUT ALAS! THEY ALSO
BEAR TESTIMONY THAT MUSLIM ARE THE WORST PEOPLE ON EARTH. MUSLIMS HAVE
HAVE TODAY INDULGED THEMSELVES INTO THE WORST ACTIVITIES OF LIFE. NOT
THAT ISLAM PERMITS THEM TO DO SO. TO NAME A FEW: BRIBRY, CORRUPTION,
KIDNAPPING, TELLING LIES, STEALING, DRINKING, GAMBLING WHAT NOT? ETC. ETC. ETC.



> 
> A world which has not hesitated to raise to divinity individuals whose 
> very lives and missions have been lost in legend and who historically 
> speaking did not accomplish half as much or even one-tenth as was
> accomplished by Muhammad (PBUH), should stop to take serious 
> note of this remarkable man's claim to be the last God's messanger to 
> mankind.
> 
> Now brothers and friends judge yourself and find your own standing.
> If you feel like that the message is not complete then sure we want more
> prophecies and more qurans ..........which simply denies the fact that holy
> prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was Sadiq and Ameen (Na-oozobillah).


YOU HAVE MADE NO POINT HERE.



> A black scar on the best of the bests ( an Ahmedie belief), the last Khutba 
> of prophet was false and those who took the oath were munafiq's 
> (Na-oozobillah). Free to go any where , we are NON MUSLIM.
> 
>                          Buss  kai dushwar  hai har kam ka  assaN  hoonaN
>                          Addami ko  bhi  muyassar  naheeN insaaN hoonaN
> 
> My last comment is
> 
>  ISLAM  ZINDA  HOOTA  HAI  ZIKAR-E   NABI   KAI    BAAD
>   
> ----------------------------------------------------
> SOHBAN SHAHID               e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
> 




ITS ABOUT TIME THAT YOU SHOULD OPEN YOUR EYES. TODAY THE MUSLIMS ARE
DIVIDED. THEY NEED DIVINE HELP! 


	 AIK HE SAAD KA NABI, DIN BHEE, IMAN BHEE,
	 KIA BARI BAAT THEE HOOTAY JO MUSALMAN BHEE AIK?





Sincerly,


	
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