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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Benetton/TWR to go Indycar
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:39:49 GMT

From article <726488399.29399@minster.york.ac.uk>, by pete@minster.york.ac.uk:
> 
> Tom Walkinshaw is to purchase a couple of Lola-Fords and enter them in at
> least five Indycar races this year, he announced at the Auto Sports
> International exhibition at the NEC in Birmingham. This programme is a
> precursor to a full-scale assault on Indycar racing in 1994.
> 
> Could this be the long-rumoured Jaguar-badged Indy programme? Will next
> year's TWR Indycars be Benetton-Jaguars rather than Lola-Fords? Will Martin
> Brundle drive them?
 
Tony Dowe, director of TWR's IMSA Jaguar team, said in an interview(I think in
RACER) that the engines would not be labelled as Jaguars because everyone 
already knows it's the Ford/Cosworth XB and Jaguar didn't have a thing to do
with its development.  The chassis would be Lolas and badged as such, although
the team could be sponsored by Benetton.  When I first heard of the TWR Indy
effort, I wondered who might sponsor them.  They most likely wouldn't keep
Bud Light from the IMSA program, since Budweiser is slated for Kenny Bernstein's
team.  Tom might be able to persuade Benetton, Camel, and/or Mobil to buy a
few decals, and get MasterCard(associate sponsor of the IMSA team) to pitch
in a little bit as well.  If the F1 sponsors do sign up for the IndyCar team,
I hope they paint the sidepods blue.  The Benettons look much better in 1991
livery than 1992's icky-green on yellow, IMHO.

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu




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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: USA/Canadian motor racing info needed
Keywords: F1 Indy NASCAR USA Canada
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:30:15 GMT

In article <1idsmuINNpul@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
>Anyway, while I'm in Canada/USA, I thought I would go and see some motor
>racing.  This is what I would like to see (if I had lots of money) :
>
>     * Canadian GP
>     * Indycars in Vancouver
>     * Another Indycar race fairly close to Vancouver
>       (Portland, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, or is my geography wrong ?)
>     * A NASCAR race
>     * Pikes Peak (I know very little about this)
>     * Interesting club racing/rallying
>

Assuming you're going to spend most of your time in the Vancouver,
BC area (not to be confused with Vancouver, Washington, USA), you're
not going to be too far from a variety of events in the Pacific
Northwest that you'll be able to attend on weekends during the
summer.  Some suggestions:

Indycars:  
June 25-27 - Budweiser/GIJoe's 200, Portland International Raceway
Aug 20 - Molson Indy Vancouver
Oct 3 - Toyota Monterey Grand Prix, Laguna Seca

NASCAR:
Winston Cup (the Big Boys) - unfortunately they only make one
swing west for one event at Sears Point north of San Francisco,
and is a road course, of course.  I don't have the specific date
at hand, but it's sometime in June.  We do have the Winston West
Tour and the big event of the year for the PNW is the annual
Motorcraft 500 in Monroe, Washington (northeast of Seattle) on
a 5/8 oval.  They're usually able to bring in 2-3 Winston Cup
Big Boys (like Elliott, Bodine, Cope, Marlin, etc) and that always
attracts a larger than usual crowd.  The trouble is that this year
the dates had to be shuffled and unfortunately it will be on the
same weekend as Indycars at Portland.

IMSA:
Jul 30-Aug 1: GIJoe's/Camel Gran Prix, Portland Int'l.  The weekend
before that they'll be at Laguna Seca

Other stuff, which generally offers a lot better bang for the buck
than the (real) pro stuff all in all:

Road racing (SCCA/Conference/Karting) each have quite a few summer
weekend dates at both Seattle Int'l in Kent, Washington as well as
Portland Int'l.

Oval racing (a variety of bull-rings ranging from 1/4 to 1/2 mile)
such as Monroe, Yakima, Tenino (South Sound), Portland all running
Friday or Saturday night shows featuring NASCAR sanctioned classes
ranging from jalopies, street stocks, limited sportsman and late
models as well as some open-wheel nights.  There's also a few dirt
tracks around as well.

Two other events I would suggest you may want to take in is the
NHRA Northwest Nationals in August at Seattle Int'l and the
Norm Thompson Historic Races at Portland Jul 9-11th.

If you need more specifics regarding tickets, places to stay, etc.
holler at me thru email.

bob
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Subject: Teretonga Atlantics.Heat 2.Results
From: educ064@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:10:32 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

EDUC064
The second heat of the Atlantic Series was held very late in the day due to
torrential rain at the world's most sotherely racecourse.The results were
1.Craig Baird (NZ)REYNARD
2.Jos Verstappen(NL)SWIFT
3.Paul Radisich(NZ)SWIFT
Stuart Crowe of Texas retired during the 30 lap heat.
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Brundle for INDY
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:00:38 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 

	British Teletext reports that Brundle is a strong contender for a seat
in one of Tom Walkinshaw's 2 INDY cars next year ...... there's soon going to be
more British Drivers in INDY than fromula one :-(
	If people like Martin Brundle can't get a drive , after a decent year at
Bennetton , than the situation is looking quite sorry ...

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development
(Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... )
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From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: PARIS-DAKAR BULLETIN. JAN 8th.
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:21:29 GMT

	As there was more than a little interest in the last update,
here is the next one!!

	Chaos reigns supreme in the desert! As of last night (Thurs
7th), the control at the end of SS3 the 741km (463 miles) Fez-Beni Ounif
stage was still open, as 40 vehicles were still to clock in more than 30
hours after the stage had opened. At the time the control should have
closed only 4 vehicles had crossed the line. The chaos seems to have
been caused by the very fine sand which apparently "wasn't there" during
the recce trips, this sand which was "like flour" was causing vehicles
to get immovably stuck every 50 yards or so, once this 300km section was
crossed, the route was covered with razor like rocks which cut to pieces
the tyres of competitors. The works Pajero of Weber/Hiemer ran out of
spare tyres (they carry at least 4), & had to wait for the fast service
truck & thus lost the lead he held after SS2.
	The most amazing drive so far has been by the works Perlini
trucks, the one driven by Mr Perlini himself taking 6th place overall on
SS3 & thus taking 7th O/A in the overall classification, which means the
12 tonne monster is leading quite a few of works rally-raid prototypes!
The film of him ploughing thru the desert is quite awesome.
	Notable retirees include former world champion moto-x rider
Danny Laporte, who retired after SS2 with a brocken wrist. One other
unfortunate French rider had just fallen on the down-side of a large
sand dune when one of the big 4*4 trucks flew over the top of said dune
& run him over! He was helicopter'd to hospital & is recovering well.
Bruno Saby had his GPS (satellite nav system) go U/S halfway thru SS3,
so navigator Serieys had to do it all by dead-reckoning, they won the
stage by over an hour!
	Classification after SS2
Cars:
	1.Weber/Hiemer		Mitsubishi Pajero
	2.Saby/Serieys		Mitsubishi Pajero
	3.Vatanen/Delferier	Citroen ZX Rally Raid
	4.Auriol/Picard		Citroen
	5.Lartigue/Perin	Citroen
Bikes:
	1.Peterhansel		Yamaha YZE 850T
	2.Arkaront		Yam
	3.Charbonnier		Yam
	4.Laporte		Yam
	5.Montebelli		Yam
Trucks:
	1.Perlini		Perlini
	2.Huser			Perlini
	3.Buchtia		Tatra

	O/A classification after SS3.
	As of last night (thurs) because of all the chaos the results
weren't official so these are very un-official, sorry best I can do at
the moment!
	1.Saby/Serieys		Mits
	2.Lartigue/Perin	Cit
	3.Salonen/Gallagher	Cit
	4.Shinozuka/Magne	Mits
	5.Servia/Puig		Lada Samara

	As I understand it SS4 has been changed to a liason section to
allow people to catch up & OTL has been dropped otherwise over half the
field would have been DQ'd in one sweep!
	Please let me know if this is the sort of report you want to
see, do you want less detail, more detail, just the O/A classification?
Is there anything else you want to know about Paris-Dakar? email those
questions & I'll try to answer!
				Ian.
-- 

	Ian Deeley
	School of Engineering		"...Whatever you do will be
	University of Sussex		insignificant, but its very
From: ed.hwang@spacebbs.com (Ed Hwang) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: MAZDA RX7: should I b
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:11:00 GMT
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Reply-To: ed.hwang@spacebbs.com (Ed Hwang) 

To: rec.autos.sport

>From: 2884203EC400@sscl.uwo.ca
>Subject: Re: MAZDA RX7: should I buy a used one??
>Organization: Department of Economics
>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:06:15 GMT

[stuff deleted]
>Of the pre 86 cars there are several important changes through the years.
>Around 83 or 84 they changed the dash and made the interior of the car much
>more appealing.  The engines are all essientially the same until you get to
>the gsl-se model of 85 (i own it).

1984 was the dash change.
The GSL-SE was offered in 1984 and 1985.

>if you have the money, this is the model i would definately recommend.  It
>has beutiful fifteen inch wheels (other model had ugly alloys) and an engine
>that has 35% more power and slightly better fuel mileage than previous non
>gsl-se models.

Factory GSL-SE came with 14 inch wheels.

-Ed
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Al Unser Jr. to run Daytona 500 in Feb.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Jan 1993 16:43 EST  

In article <7263428635830@c00007-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu>, jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu 
(Jay C. Smith) writes...
>In article <C0Fy15.5u2@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>They've pushed back the starting time for Charlotte to later in the day
>>so that it now won't have a conflict with the tv audience and the 500.
>>One could conclude that a driver who drops out of Indy early on in the
>>race might still be able to be on the grid at Charlotte.

If this year's Indy is like last year's Indy, most of the folks who drop 
out early get a trip to Methodist Hospital and not Charlotte :-(

>Or if a driver completed the Indy 500 he could still be a relief driver
>at Charlotte.

Neat idea, however, I believe that Winston Cup rules prohibit a "rookie" 
driver from being a relief driver (based on my recollection of Jeff Gordon not 
being able to drive relief at one of the last WC races of 1992).  Which 
almost leads to the question of which IndyCAR drivers would not be 
classified as a Winston Cup rookie (only A.J. and Mario come to mind).

JD
From: scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: News from Autosprint #52
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:43:42 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <1993Jan6.092815.21521@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

> Let me quote Autosprint No. 52, p. 37:
>   Eccola, finalmente.  La Ferrari F93A -- questa la sigla ufficale
>   della vettura, il cui numero di progretto e 644Bis -- e stata
>   svelata mercoledi 23 dicembre a una platea di giornalisti.
> 
> Translation:
>   Here she is, finally.  The Ferrari F93A -- this is the official
>   designation of the car, the project number of which is 644Bis --
>   was unveiled to a group (?) of journalists on Wednesday, December 23.
> 
> Also, they call the car
>   la creatura di George Ryton (supervisionata da John Barnard)
> meaning
>   the creature (actually: the work) of George Ryton (supervised by
>   John Barnard).
> 
> (I wonder how well this bodes for the car, considering that George
> Ryton is the man who designed the "2nd generation" EuroBrun car.)
> 
> Disclaimer:  Neither English nor Italian is my mother tongue, so the
> above translation may be completely wrong ;-)
> 
> 
Your translations are spot on, Robert.

regards,
Serge, (a second-generation Italian)
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Some news
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:19:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.064033.9912@abo.fi>, TBACKMAN@FINABO.ABO.FI
(Timo B{ckman TF) writes:
|> Steve Nicholl has left Sauber. He wanted to be called chief designer instead
|> of Leo Ress and when Peter Sauber didn't accept this, he left. Nicholl is
|> said to be looking for work at McLaren.

This has finally hit the fans (well, the daily papers) here at the end
of last week.  However, the paper I have been reading was not quite as
explicit as to Steve Nichols' reason(s) for departing.  (I agree that
the above reason is fairly likely, though.)  They did mention that
Steve would return to the States for the time being, where his son
is in hospital suffering from a grave illness.  (No further details
were given.)

I hope that Harvey Postlethwaite will return to Sauber!

In the Sunday paper, it was confirmed that Andrea de Cesaris will stay
at Tyrrell, along with new recruit Katayama (sp?).

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Al Unser Jr. to run Daytona 500 in Feb.
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:34:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.144509.18203@hubcap.clemson.edu> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>I heard this past weekend that Al Jr's NASCAR plans might be a bit more
>extensive than just the Daytona 500, and that he wants to run at least    
>one race at each of the following tracks: Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta,
>Charlotte, Michigan, and Dover.  I'll admit that the source of this bit
>of info isn't one I know for its accuracy(my girlfriend's uncle), but 
>the only conflict between these events and the IndyCar schedule is May
>30, which shares the Indianapolis 500 and the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 at
>Charlotte.  I was taken somewhat aback when he first told me about this,
>and am still somewhat skeptical, but the scheduling makes me wonder...
>
>

They've pushed back the starting time for Charlotte to later in the day
so that it now won't have a conflict with the tv audience and the 500.
One could conclude that a driver who drops out of Indy early on in the
race might still be able to be on the grid at Charlotte.

bob
From: awatkins@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew B. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Surfers Paradise info.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:41:11 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne Dept of Meteorology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


Hello world!
I was just wondering if anyone could give me a rundown on dates,
ticket prices and, most of all, the best vantage points for the 
indy car race at Surfers Paradise. I have to admit that I am 
an F1 fan, but now my (previously) much-hated Nige is in it 
Ive been sparked into interest. I hear hes been doing some very
impressive stuff recently. Anyway, any info on the race would be
much appreciated, and emailed responses even more so.




Andrew B. Watkins                    |    `To strive, to seek, to find and
awatkins@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au  |     not to yield'  
awatkins@buster.met.unimelb.edu.au   |                  - Lord Tennyson 

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From: hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood)
Subject: Re: USA/Canadian motor racing info needed
Keywords: F1 Indy NASCAR USA Canada
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:16:38 GMT

In article <1idsmuINNpul@DIALix.oz.au>, ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
|> Hi everyone,
|> 
|> I'm going to be in North America this year from April to October (approx)
|> to have a holiday/do some work.  My girlfriend is working in Vancouver
|> and I will be meeting up with her there.
|> 
|> Anyway, while I'm in Canada/USA, I thought I would go and see some motor
|> racing.  This is what I would like to see (if I had lots of money) :
|> 
|>      * Canadian GP
|>      * Indycars in Vancouver
|>      * Another Indycar race fairly close to Vancouver
|>        (Portland, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, or is my geography wrong ?)
|>      * A NASCAR race
|>      * Pikes Peak (I know very little about this)
|>      * Interesting club racing/rallying
|> 

	The Pikes Peak "Climb to the Clouds" is a single car at a time, timed
event of the last several miles of the road to the top of Pikes Peak, which is
a 14,000+ foot mountain of the Colorado Rockies which overlooks Colorado
Springs, Colorado (elevation 6,000 feet).  It is run every year over the Fourth
of July weekend.

	Many famous American drivers have started or enhanced their careers with
victories in the many classes of cars which compete.  Al Unser, Jr. comes to
mind; but then, so many Unsers have won for so many years that it is sometimes
called Unser Mountain.

	Several world-class rally drivers have taken to competing during recent
years (with good success).

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From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Honda to IndyCar in '94
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:07:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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According to USA Today, Honda will make an engine for at least 
one IndyCar team in 1994.  Do I dare suggest that Mr. Rahal will
sink a 2.6 liter Honda turbo in the back of a Don Haliday-penned
car?
 
-- 
Brian Wilson (not from the Beach Boys)          ROLL TIDE!
 
"How come two wrongs don't make a right, yet three lefts do?"
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From: gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green)
Subject: Re: Al Unser Jr. to run Daytona 500 in Feb.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:38:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.192926.15835@sarah.albany.edu> rob@thor.albany.edu (Rob...) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.192522.15671@sarah.albany.edu> rob@thor.albany.edu (Rob...) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.181756.8561@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green) writes:
>>>In article <C0CpAx.GFw@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>>>
>>>>In IROC, Dale and Al Jr. almost looked to hook up as
>>>>a 'team' to run away from the rest of the pack, then
>>>>have a two-car shootout at the end.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone heard who's sponsorship Al will be
>>>>carrying at Daytona?
>>>>
>>>>bob
>>>
>>>Autoweek claims Hendrick is trying to court Valvoline, now
>>>that Exxon won't be back as a sponsor. That's why he's
>>>offering to prepare a fourth car for Little Al.
>>>
>>>GBG
>>>gerry@usl.com
>>
>Why would Valvoline want to change (add) drivers?  They have a very
>successful driver in Mark Martin.
>
>Rob...
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It's a dog-eat-dog world out there...
Maybe Hendrick wants to steal Roush's bone.

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From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: Re: Paris to Dakar News?
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:20:49 GMT

From article <1iagvaINNmlv@gossip.pyramid.com>, by danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones):
> The rally raid started a few days ago and is scheduled to end in
> Dakar on Jan 16.  Jacques from the U Chicago, are you still out
> there?  Any news would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan Jones
	For the Brits on the net, Screensport are showing 3 daily
reports from the Paris/Dakar. There is one at 20.30 & another at 23.30.
There is one in the early p.m. As of last night (4th Jan), the 2
Citroens were tying for the lead, but as this was only after the
prologue it doesn't mean a lot. The bikes played a very tactical
prologue, with the front runners having "fuel problems" so as to avoid
having to go first. The truck category is being headed by the works
Perlinis, with an amazing Tatra 3rd, it has a 19 litre V12 & apparently
nearly 500 bhp! Last night the ferry taking the vehicles from France to
Moroco (sp?) was running 3 hrs late (well it is French! :)). The rally
"proper" starts this p.m.
	If there is any interest please mail me, & I will try to keep
you all updated!
				Ian.

Ian Deeley
School of Engineering
University of Sussex
Falmer, England.
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From: uevans@med.unc.edu (Elizabeth A. Evans)
Subject: Sports Cars for Tall People?
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:58:03 GMT

A friend who is 6'4" (every inch of it) is looking for a sporty car to
replace his aging VW GTI.  We went looking around last night and the
first 6 or 7 cars he sat in, his head touched the roof.  Leg room was
a little less of an issue, but when he finally sat in one (A Nissan
Sentra) which had enough headroom, his legs were a little tight as
well.  

Anyone have any suggestions for sports cars for tall people?  The
price range he's interested in is 15-19K or so.

-- Libby