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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Roland's JV-880 Module?
Keywords: Roland, JV-880
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:51:31 GMT

In article <bethp.727908342@milton>, bethp@milton.u.washington.edu (Beth Plotkin) writes:
|> I have an old Kawai K1 - 2 keyboard, a computer-based sequencer
|> and a D4 drum module.  I went into a nearby music store hoping
|> to update my system with a Korg Wavestation SR but the salesperson
|> tried to talk me into a Roland JV-880 Module.  I have to admit
|> that it sounded pretty good, but I haven't heard much discussion
|> on them on this group.  Is that because they are new?
|> 
|> The salesperson seemed to think that, for example, the piano
|> sounds were realistic because they were sampled several times
|> and "wave-sequenced" (i.e. the harmonics change with time in
|> the sample).  Is this how it works?
|> 
|> What do you think of the JV-880 and the Wavestation SR?
|> Would you recommend my saving more money to buy a K2000?

I heard a demo of the JV880 recently. It is very good sounding module
if all you are looking for is a sample playback unit, ie. it does
piano, bass, drums etc. very well. If this is all you want, a box 
that you can dial up some nice sounding presets on, then I'd suggest
you also check out the Kawai G-Mega, Yamaha TG100, and Korg 03/W
etc (there are probably a few I've missed in this category). 

If you are looking for a true synthesizer, with unique, non-imitative
sounds and textures, then buy a Wavestation. I don't think you can compare
the JV880 and Wavestation. It all depends on what you want the box to do
for you.

The K2000 looks at first glance to be another sample playback unit,
but there is this VAST thing. The K2000 has an advanced synth
architecture that allows extensive modification of the samples that 
form the starting point for sounds. The K2000 has access to many
sample libraries and a sampling option is available to turn it into
a true sampler.
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:1754 rec.music.synth:20271
From: smill@eskimo.com (Steven Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: ARP Odyssey
Keywords: ARP Odyssey Wanted
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:22:56 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


	Our ARP odyssey has a dead VCF chip, abd we've searched the
country (unsuccessfully) for a replacement part.  We are now looking
for another Odyssey (DEAD or ALIVE) to combine the working parts
and have spare parts.  If anyone has one for sale, email me and
we can discuss price, etc.
Thanks in advance!

-- 
Steven M. Miller       		"The history of music evolution is
smill@eskimo.celestial.com          not the history of nice guys"
                         		-- Anthony Braxton
Electronic Music Coordinator - Cornish College of the Arts, Seattle WA
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: E-Mu vintage keys Proteus module
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:20:54 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1juupoINNhff@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>In article <PEHE.93Jan19143438@galliumx.electrum.kth.se>
>>  The problem for us financially limited dudes is that we'll have to buy an
>>equally expencive duplicate to a synth we already own. In wonderland there
>                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
>>would be a module whith say 32 oscillators and a RAM where you just dump
>>your sounds at a price of say 50% of the real synth (These creatures do exist
>>in the world of samplers where you can buy an overflow module to your Akai
>>S-1000, S1100).
>
>[...]
>First, I doubt that any such module could truely be desgined and manufactured
>at 50% less cost.  Let's take the case of an E-mu Proteus as an example.  All
>that MIGHT be removed from the stripped down version is some of the user
>interface bits.  All of the sound generation circuitry, power supply, and
>the like must still be included.  What's more, I doubt that ALL of the user
>interface could be removed, as one would still need to be able to deal with
>configuration issues.

I agree.  When I first read the other poster's comment I thought, "He's
describing a Proteus."  It doesn't get much more scaled down than that.

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From: mcfaul@cheshire.oxy.edu (Timothy Jon McFaul)
Subject: Re: [EMAX II] Who's got one & disk format.
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:34:15 GMT
From: mage@sandman.caltech.edu (Michael Anthony Hoskins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Mellotrons found
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:28:53
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: rec
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Originator: mage@sandman


	Just thought some of you people might be interested in this.  I was
talking to a friend in Boulder, CO last night who volunteers at a planetarium
near/at CU, and she told me that in one of their storage rooms they had two
of the beasties.  I don't know if they're actually hard to find or anything,
but someone in the area who was interested in one might inquire.

michael hoskins
mage@sandman.cco.caltech.edu
From: bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Free ANALOG waveforms for Samplers!!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:35:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wfNELkK00WB=FBIJ4i
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just thought I'd like to provide a free service for all these people who
want ANALOG waves for their sampler.

Sawtooth Wave, single cycle (save memory) for 16 bit samplers:
For A=0 to 65535
    Write "A" to file Sawtooth.Wave
Next A

Square Wave, for 16 bit 44.1 kHz sample rate:
For A=1 to 10
    For B=1 to 22
        Write "0" to file Square.Wave
    Next B
    For B=1 to 22
        Write "65535" to file Square.Wave
    Next B
Next A

No charge.  Filters courtesy of your sampler.

-Brian :)
"Humor is good"
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From: peterc@comm.mot.com (Peter Cassidy)
Subject: WANTED: Any PC MPU401-type MIDI card
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:42:43 GMT

Hellp!

         Does anyone out there want to sell an MPU401 standard MIDI card for the
PC. I just received a Kawai K1 and have a patch dump program, AND a S/Blaster
Pro. But guess what ?? The dump prog only works with MPU401. Hence the
desperation. Can anybody please help.

Thanks

-- 
Peter Cassidy - Motorola B.V Ireland - peterc@comm.mot.com - C10404@email

The opinions expressed above are mine, and not necessarily those of Motorola.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Ensoniq KS-32
Organization: NASA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:51:39 GMT


  Well, I finally did it!  I'm now the proud owner of a new KS-32.  Many thanks  
to everyone who responded to my queries on the SQ-x and '32; the r.m(.m).s  
community had a big influence on my decision.

  As one might guess, I've spent just about all of my spare time at the  
keyboard, mostly just playing.  It really has a great sound and feel for the  
money; the action is simply fabulous!

  So far, I have only two complaints.  First, the display is angled so that you  
must bend over to see it.  That's may not be a problem on the SQ-x, which can  
be mounted at a tilt, but the '32 has to remain flat for its action to work  
properly.  I can see myself needing a chiropractor if I don't find a PC voice  
editor soon.

  Second, the manual is (from what I've seen so far) written and organized  
quite poorly.  It was apparently written by someone with a good knowledge of  
the machine, but little technical writing skills.  I'm probably going to write  
to Ensoniq to complain about this.

  So is there a mailing list or users' group out there for SQ/KS owners, or for  
Ensoniq owners in general?  Does anyone know of a PC-based voice editor that  
knows the SQ/KS architecture?

Regards,

Steve
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From: todd@motif.uucp (Todd Phillips [PT2])
Subject: JV30 problem?
Organization: Software Technology Branch, NASA/Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:52:04 GMT

Yo, all you folks with Roland JV-30 experience:

Whenever I assign an instrument to parts 2-16 via the front panel, the 
instrument in part 1 changes to whatever I just assigned the other part to.
So when setting the parts up, this requires me to set part 1 last, cuz
otherwise it will just get changed.

Is this a bug or a feature, or am I just missing something?  I searched
the manual, but no dice.

Todd

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From: rgh@hendrix.camb.inmet.com (Randy Hudson)
Subject: Re: Re:Wavestation limitation
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:10:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.155441.10611@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>In article <C12wMM.7M4@korgrd.com>, dan@korgrd.com (Dan Phillips) writes:
>|> So, why do the A/D and SR have more features than the keyboard? BECAUSE 
>|> THEY WERE DEVELOPED AFTERWARD! ...
 ...
>Its [sic] for this reason that I never buy the first synth of a new type.
 ...
>One thing that really annoys me (now you've got me going :-) ) is why
>each manufacturer first brings out a keyboard version. 

Watch out: you might get what you're after.

As things are, by waiting for the module, you get a usually improved
instrument in the package you want.  So don't be annoyed, be happy.


Randy Hudson   rgh@inmet.camb.inmet.com
From: scollins@cs.tcd.ie (Steven Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Winter NAMM 1983
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:44:20 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)

In article <9301251825.aa10817@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>>> Alesis showed off their new Synthesizer and Mixer unit.
>>> The synthesizer has 64 note polyphony, an industry first.
>
>Actually, I believe, an industry second. (TG100 is there already.)
>

Could still be an industry 1st 64 note polyphonic.  The Yammy TG module
is 2 32 note polys not a full 64 note.  Sort of like the supposedly 32
note polyphonic SY77, which is in fact 2 16 note polys.

Steven
From: stuartm@spider.co.uk (Stuart MacNeill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: For sale: Roland R5 drum machine
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:23:50 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

FOR SALE................

  ROLAND R-5 DRUM MACHICE

  - 68 16-bit PCM samples
  - all sounds tunable, with editable decay
  - extra space for user edited sounds
  - 16 velocity sensitive pads
  - real and step time recording
  - 100 patterns, 10 songs
  - "humanizer" features
  - 4 assignable separate outputs
  - full MIDI capabilities
  - excellent condition, home use only, boxed with manuals

  Price: #200.00 ono (UK pounds). UK only (sorry). I will pay shipping.

I MUST sell this machine. If you think that the price is TOO HIGH, why not
make me an offer :-) ?

Stuart MacNeill ( stuartm@spider.co.uk )
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From: gaubfb@sun330 (Brian Bishop)
Subject: Re: Info on EMU Procussion
Organization: Fannie Mae
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:18:13 GMT

Walter A. Hubis (whubis@teal.csn.org) wrote:
: 
: I've been considering adding an EMU Procussion Module
: to my rig, and I'm looking for the experiences of owners
: of this unit. Foremost is quality and range of samples,
: editing features, and audio quality.
: 
   I have one of these and I love it. I think the quality of the sounds 
is excellent - from hard techno to ambient kits to weird space stuff.
I stopped missing my Roland R-8 once I got it (flame retardant: I know
the Emu is just a sound module; the R-8 can do rhythm patterns, etc.).

   You can do all kinds of cool-o control stuff with it - such as have it
switch between zones (samples) based on velocity, or even based on whether
you play faster than a certain tempo (everybody loves to point this feature 
out 'cos it's unusual).  I also have an Alesis D4, but I almost never use it
because I think the Procussion sounds a heck of a lot better. Of course, it
ought to, it costs about twice as much.

  If all you want is a drum sound module, and not a 'drum machine' with 
pattern sequencing, 'human feel', and whatnot, I think it's about the 
best thing around in the price range (around $600). Of course if you have
specialized sounds that you want that only one bax has, that may outweigh other
things.

--

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"Check beneath your fingernails, and in between your toes /
  Right between your earlobes, darling, that's where culture grows." - T. Dolby
From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:10:16 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: miles.cs.brown.edu

i'm trying to figure out what the hell i should be investing in next.
i have a simple drum machine (DR-550) but want more flexibility and
sounds. i have a synth but want to be able to program it easily. i have
an ibm compatible computer but would need to upgrade it at least a little
to use it for music, or i might be getting a mac or NeXT. so general wisdom
about this stuff and specifics are both welcome.

so here are my questions:

(1) how many different sounds can you use in one pattern on a 660?
(2) why or why not is it feasible to use a drum machine as a simple sequencer?
    i.e. what are the limitations?
(3) i hear that there might be a rack-mount version of the 660 coming out
    (i.e. a sound module). how much do you think this or another nice
    drum sound module cost? and where can i get an 808 kit?
(4) what are the relative merits of software and hardware sequencers?
    i.e. running on a computer vs. buying some kind of dedicated box
(5) given that i prefer programming simple melodies and basslines on
    my synth, what would be the best way to get this stuff into my
    music? a rack-mount synth? how do i get different voices simultaneously?
    (i.e. how do i get a bassline and a melody in different voices at
    the same time, all controlled by a sequencer)

(5) how much does it cost to do the following things on various computer
    platforms (ibm-compatible, mac, NeXT), what are the pros and cons of 
    doing it this waym and what sort of hardware requirements are there 
    (RAM, HD, additional boards)?
    (1) sequencing
    (2) sound playback (pre-recorded sounds - using the computer as a sound
        module)
    (3) sampling (recording to hard disk for playback)
(6) would it make sense to think about investing in a 660 or something similar
    now (i have a korg poly-800 and a DR-550 that i'd try to sell) and 
    perhaps plan on using it as a sound module when i get a real sequencer?


thanks for any help you can offer.

mike


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From: pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth...
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:26:53 GMT
Organization: Divided Misprinted Dwarf-Nebulas Inc.

In article <CUBASE.93Jan24180009@kaarne.cs.tut.fi> cubase@cs.tut.fi (Pekka Martikainen) writes:

>   But. Are digitally controlled analog oscillators VCOs or DCOs?
             ^         ^                 ^
   
  Hmmmm. Hafta be DCOs as opposed to Voltage Controlled Oscillators.
Just a comment.                      ^^^^^^^

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From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il (Flashner Amit)
Subject: Yamaha V50 sounds
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:57:05 GMT

I have the Yamaha V50. The problem is they stopped manufacturing it,
and now I only have some sound files (.SYN) which I got when it was
released. For a long time I haven't found any new sound files.

I'll appreciate if someone who has the V50 or knows something about
about sounds for it will contact me.

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From: v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
Subject: ELCO part numbers in ADAT?
Originator: v035550@stcvax
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.  Louisville, CO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:42:21 GMT

H E L P!                                                                        
                                                                                
Does ANYONE know the ELCO part number for                                       
the connector used in the Alesis ADAT????                                       
                                                                                
Both male and female part numbers appreciated...                                
                                                                                
Please respond via email.                                                       
                                                                                
sjm                                                                             
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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:44:49 GMT

In <1993Jan20.192648.10334@sco.com> jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car) writes:


>drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice) writes:
>>A company cannot lose their trademark simply because people misuse the
>>terminology.  If the trademark is registered (as are Kleenex and Xerox),
>>it belongs to the trademark holder and it cannot be lost because someone
>>calls a Canon copier a Xerox machine.

>false.  a company must fight to "protect" its copyright or lose the right to
>the name.  this is why if you order a coke in a restaurant that serves
>pepsi, the server is supposed to ask you "is pepsi OK?"

Names and titles cannot be copyrighted, but they can be registered as
trademarks.

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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Defending the Slugs (long)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:01:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, chapman@u.washington.edu (Bruce L. Chapman) says:

>herself as a musician, either). What I really object to is someone trying to  
>inflate their reputation by posing as a musician when they aren't willing to  
>walk the walk.

  Isn't it easier on your blood pressure to simply pity these folks
quietly?  :)  Obviously if they are in need of this ego-massaging,
then I see no reason to deny them their delusions. Then again, I do
not view music (on a personal level; I realize the Real World is a 
different beast) as a competition, and don't feel that these folks
cause any injury to me.
  I'd still be interested in hearing what you think "the walk" should
be... at what point are you worthy of the adjective "musician"? 

  Jeff

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From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: MusicBox - A new dimension in composition
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:44:17 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se

I saw a copy in nic.funet.fi.

A very 'interesting' program-- you even get source code.

Jonathan Yuen
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: E-Mu vintage keys Proteus module
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:07:25 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <PEHE.93Jan26180239@cesium.electrum.kth.se> pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund) writes:
>In article <1juupoINNhff@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>(Speaking lots of oscillators; wonder why the Kurzwile (how do you spell the
>damn thing ?) staff limited the K2000 voice polyphony to 24 when they had 94
>oscillators to fiddle around with ?)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

96 oscillators, but who's counting?  Actually, 72 of those oscillators are
simple waves created in DSP rather than samples.  This no doubt made it
possible to have up to 4 oscillators per voice without the expense of
extra voice channels.  Use 'em or lose 'em.

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                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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