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Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
From: Dave <JDO103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:08:06 EDT
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In article <rfauteux.718655077@orion.oac.uci.edu>, rfauteux@orion.oac.uci.edu
(Robert Fauteux) says:
>
>Dave <JDO103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>Hi there.  I graduated and got commission in May '92.  I had a pilot slot,
>>then lost it, then got it back but have to wait about 2.5 years to go to
>>flight school.  (Complicated story, but most of you in ROTC know it anyway.
>If
>>ya don't... E-Mail me.)
>
>>I graduated with a degree in History, and didn't have a scholarship.  (Good
>>thing, since I heard that they didn't give anyone a pilot slot that already
>>had a scholarship, my year.)  So, my first assignment will be doing something
>>in Personnel.
>
>
>So, do you have a date and a place yet?  I think a few friends of mine who
>were in a similar situation to yours have found out theirs.  Hang in there,
>though, UPT is not all that great a place to be at the present time :-(
>
>Rob

  I just got my notification of assignment a couple of days ago... I don't
until late March, supposedly...  could be worse.  A friend of mine got an
Intel slot, finished first in our class, and has to wait until late April to go
to school.

  As a side note... another guy I know, whose dad was the PAS ended up getting
his assignment, didn't like it, and supposedly had his dad change it for him,
while others who ranked higher have to wait for the same slot...

  Whose to figure though, another guy I know is going to Germany, and he
finished in the middle.  (Of course, his major was German, so it may have
something to do with it... :)   )

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From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Cargo planes as Bombers
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:56:30 CDT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daemon Hobbs) writes:

> 
>      Does anyone know any details about cargo aircraft being used as bombers 
> the post-WWII era?  I've heard all about the MC-130 and the 15000lb.  Does an
> one know of any uses of the An-24, 26, 32 's bomb racks?  Also, if you wanted
> to drop bombs out the ramp of say a C-130 how would you do it?  How would you
> ensure accucracy?  Also, does anyone know anything about mortar shells being
> used as bombs from Hueys or other aircraft?  Yet one more thing, does any kno
> any detailed text of the use of Indian cargo planes as bombers during the 197
> Indo-Pakistani War?

 The bombs deployed from the C-130 were dropped from the cargo 
ramp by deploying a droge chute and letting it drag the bomb off 
the ramp. Accuracy wasn't really a major consideration with that 
big a bomb :-) Besides, they were used to cut a landing zone for 
Hueys anyway, the exact spot the LZ ended up at didn't matter all 
that much so accuracy wasn't needed.
 There were lots of things thrown from Hueys in Nam, but mortar 
shells weren't one of them. The mortar shell requires the G force 
of the firing to arm it, so just dropping it does nothing but give 
the enemy more ammo (unless you change the fuse). What I did see 
were various devices made from C-4 and ammo cans, granades, and 
other assorted junk. So far as I saw, they were only employed as 
"harassment" weapons and never used in an actual fire fight (when 
you were too damn busy with othre things). 
 The other cases I know nothing about.

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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Moffett Airshow
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:10:12 GMT
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Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <183907@pyramid.pyramid.com>, andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com
(Andre Molyneux) writes:
|> I've looked through all the aviation newsgroups and haven't found
|> too much info on the Moffet airshow this weekend (Oct. 17 & 18).
|> Hopefully this newsgroup is the correct place to ask.
|> 
|> What I've seen so far is that the gates will be open from 9 am to
|> 5 pm, and that the Blue Angels will be flying at 3:00 both days.
|> Does anyones else have information on what other flying and static
|> displays will be available?
|> 
|> Thanks in advance for anything you can add.
|> 
|> Andre
|> 
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Tenative Air Show Info:

Friday  Oct 16-----
10:00-1:30-----Various aircraft practice
1:30-2:30------Blue Angels demo  (Highway closure)

Staurday and Sunday-----

11:00-----Launch Navy Leap Frogs in C-130
11:10-----Leap Frogs jump
11:15-----P3C launch
11:30-----Scott Hammack jet dragster
11:33-----Leap Frogs 2nd jump
11:40-----Vern Dallman aerobatics
11:52-----Red Knight T-33
12:03-----John Collver AT-6 demo
12:18-----F-18 demo
12:33-----Eddie Andrini Super Stearman demo
12:47-----Patty Wagstaff aerobatics
12:59-----Mig-17 vs. Scott Hammack jet dragster race
1:14------Red Baron Stearman Squadron
1:48------Sean Tucker  Pitts Special Aerobatics
2:00------Eddie and Alan wing walking
2:15------Fat Albert C-130 with jet assist takeoff
2:25------Yak attack aerobatics
2:40------F-117A  Flyby
3:00------Blue Angels


This is a listing that I saw.  

Enjoy the show......

Jim
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:07:49 EDT
From: Dave <JDO103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Distribution: usa

Hi there.  I graduated and got commission in May '92.  I had a pilot slot,
then lost it, then got it back but have to wait about 2.5 years to go to
flight school.  (Complicated story, but most of you in ROTC know it anyway. If
ya don't... E-Mail me.)

I graduated with a degree in History, and didn't have a scholarship.  (Good
thing, since I heard that they didn't give anyone a pilot slot that already
had a scholarship, my year.)  So, my first assignment will be doing something
in Personnel.

   Anyone out there go to Field Training at Wright-Pat II during summer '90?
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: KC-135 Question
Followup-To: rec.aviation.military
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:15:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
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There's something about the KC-135 that's never been clear to me.  I
realize that the refuelling boom is "flown" into position on the 
receiving aircraft with the pair of control surfaces mounted toward 
the end, but is this supplemented in any way, say with hydraulics?  

In other words, if the boom's uplock were to be released while the 
plane was on the ground, would the free end of the boom simply drop 
to the tarmac?


Geoff


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From: mconrad@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (|<azie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: C-130 Crash
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Oct9.101038.13437
Organization: One Particular Harbour

> 
> Umm, what problem is that?
> 
> The C-130 is one of the most reliable aircraft in the world today. I live 
> next to the 109th TAG in NY and the pilots there can't paise their Raven Ski
> Birds enough. (They fly the Herky bird with skis for the old DEW line and 
> scientific missions.)

  Well, the problem ususally occurs in landings.  I don't remember the exact 
cause, (I will have to ask my uncle again) and apparently so many times every 
three years this part is suposed to fail on the plane. And yes it can be fatal 
and No the A.F. does not want to fix it.  

If you remember the C-130 crash in Indiana last year, they attributed it to 
that cause.  

Later...

Kazie

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From: albert@sc.hp.com (Albert Alcorn)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Moffett
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Semiconductor Test Systems
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:44:45 GMT

Yet another question about the upcoming Moffet airshow.

Does anybody have any parking recomendations?
Is there onsite parking?  If so, how early does it fill up?
Any better spots?
I plan on ariving around 8:30.


Albert Alcorn
Hewlett Packard
Semiconductor Systems Center
Digital IC Test products
(408|T) 553-7482
albert@sc.hp.com
From: cvalj000@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Mike Cancellier)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:34:41 GMT
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 <92283.090750JDO103@psuvm.psu.edu> <rfauteux.718655077@orion.oac.uci.edu>
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Hi all,
	I am a June '92 grad from det 060 at USC, but I went to Cal Poly,
Pomona and graduated with a degree in cartography. I feel a little sorry for
the pilot candidates out there but not too much.  At least you may still get
the job.  Anyway, I am a missileer waiting to head off for training.  I leave
on Chrsitmas.  My wait is going to be 6 months.  Half of my class will beat me
to active duty (most are leaving in October).  I think only 2 will be coming on
in '93.  One of those is the only pilot in our graduating class.  If anybody
out there has a misssile slot or is worried they may be given one, dop me a
line.

	Mike
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From: mcewin@convex.com (Bill McEwin)
Subject: Re: Aurora?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:32:54 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith) writes:

>Can someone give me a little bit of information on the Aurora?  I've never
>heard of it.  Reply via e-mail please...save network bandwidth. Thanks in
>advance!

Just for interest, everyone seems to forget that the Canadians have an
Aurora also.  That is the name of their ASW aircraft also called the
CP-140.  It uses basically the same Lockheed airframe as the US P-3C, but
has completely different and, in many cases, more advanced avionics and
crew compartment layout.  The original order of 20 or so were built in
Burbank in the late 70's.


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From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: Some other comments regarding F3 & AOTP, No, this is not a flame
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:55:24 GMT

>Falcon 3.0 is considered the tour-de-force of jet fighter simulators, and it
>is very complex and rich in detail.  It is probably as close to flying a real
>F-16 as you could possibly hope to get for less than $5M or so.
	F-16A cost 16 Million bucks, F-16C is about 18 Million.  Estimate costs
for those new ones w/ a 28k lbs engine+lantern pods, ASPJ internal Jamming pod
is about 20 Million, I think (Folks, that's cheap compare to a 40 Million
F-14 or F-15)

>On the other hand, there is something a little bit impersonal about jet 
>fighting -- getting missile lock and pressing the fire button, then waiting
>to see if your radar blip disappears. 
	Oh, come....Modern Air Combat is way complex than that.  First you
need check your Threat Indicator to see where the bandits at.  Then, you
lit your radar, set the horizontal and vertical scan range, and the scan
pattern (look up, look down, etc), then you have this uncoperative Mig-29
at 23 nm with a ECM jamming at you.  Next, it'll take a while to get a 
solid lock on (Hey, IFF first), then fire the missile at the apprite range,
aspect angle to the Mig who is now jinking hard.  Yeah, everything I said
in here is exact what you'll have to do in Falcon. 

>If you want a taste of the seat-of-the
>pants flying at close quarters that WWII pilots experienced, AOP is the way to
>go.  This program is incredibly feature-laden.  There are easily two dozen
>historical scenarios to choose from, each allowing you to assume the role of
>Japanese or American pilots.  There is also a fantastic movie viewer option,
>that allows you to customize your missions by changing point of view, etc. and
>create a VERY realistic movie.  Career menus and lots of realism options
>make for a thoroughly entertaining gaming experience. 
	Every feature AOTP has is inclued in Falcon and in more detail.
Falcon has the firepower, speed, maneuverablity, and even the blackout/
redout features.  You are flying this ultra-low level air to mud mission
with your wingman.  Crusing at 550 knots and 500 ft between these
montains and ridges.  Certainly, you got a "Warning" "Radar" "Lauching"
signals, and before you know, your wingman certainly become a fireball,
(thanks to that SA-7 Grail from a enemy infantry down there some where)
and this Mig is staying right at your six with a lock on........
That's what I call "Seat of the pants"


						Ming
From: rfauteux@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert Fauteux)
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:29:35 GMT

Dave <JDO103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Hi there.  I graduated and got commission in May '92.  I had a pilot slot,
>then lost it, then got it back but have to wait about 2.5 years to go to
>flight school.  (Complicated story, but most of you in ROTC know it anyway. If
>ya don't... E-Mail me.)

>I graduated with a degree in History, and didn't have a scholarship.  (Good
>thing, since I heard that they didn't give anyone a pilot slot that already
>had a scholarship, my year.)  So, my first assignment will be doing something
>in Personnel.


So, do you have a date and a place yet?  I think a few friends of mine who
were in a similar situation to yours have found out theirs.  Hang in there,
though, UPT is not all that great a place to be at the present time :-(

Rob
From: prang@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Ron Wanttaja)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: ROTC Delays (was Re: AFROTC or USAF ?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:28:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

From article <rfauteux.718566983@orion.oac.uci.edu>, by rfauteux@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert Fauteux):
> 
> Now, I know things have changed since I went through this whole
> process (I picked up my preliminary pilot slot as a GMC, went to camp
> and got the "permanent" [yeah-right!] slot, and got commissioned and
> am waiting till April '93.) 

Oh wow, man, like flashback city.  I was in ROTC in the 72-76 time frame.
I entered at the peak of the Vietnam buildup; about 15 guys in my 25-person
ROTC class got pilot scholarships.  But by the time graduation came around,
the RIF was on.  Only two got pilot slots; they had delays of up to two
years.  The rest were offered their choice of non-rated assignments,
reserve duty, or no-obligation separation.  A friend of mine (majoring in
"University Studies") took the separtion and went back to his old job
bagging at the local grocery store.  Just got my 20th anniversary high
school biographies, he STILL works at the same grocery store.

Me?  Engineer.  Got commissioned, then got orders to report in just two
months.

                                          Ron Wanttaja
					  prang@ssc-bee
					  ...rutgers!uw-beaver!ssc-bee!prang
                                          prang@ssc-bee.boeing.com
"Mr. Wanttaja, you scored 98% in both
 the pilot and navigator tests.  We'd
 like to give you a scholarship."
				      "I've got 20/400 vision in my right
				      eye."
"Byeee....."
From: gt3144b@prism.gatech.EDU (Sonny)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Military career?
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:23:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am very interested in becomming a military pilot and I
have a few questions:

  1.  What is the age and visual requirements for USAF, USN, and USMC.
      A friend of mine told me that there have been changes, but he
      doesn't know the specifics.

  2.  Approximately how many slots are going to be available for
      OTS/AOCS for the next couple of years.

  3.  Are there as much compition in the navigator/NFO program as
      there are in the pilot/aviator program?

  4.  How do I maximize my chance of getting in the OTS/AOCS 
      (i.e. How does the selection process work?) ?

  5.  How often do the selection boards meet(i.e monthly, quarterly, yearly?)
      and when would be the best time to apply in order to maximize
      my chance of being selected?

Thank you very much


-- 

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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Cargo planes as Bombers
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:21:47 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <ritter.719074016@claude> ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>a Minuteman III ICBM from a C-5A Galaxy.  Basically, they shoved it out
>the back of the plane over the Vandenburg launch range, and lit it off in
>mid-air.  It flew and guided normally, landing on target downrange.  I
>don't know how they stabilized it for ignition, nor how they got the C-5
>out of the way :-).  Anyone out there have more details?

A few...  Actually, I think this was a surplus Minuteman I rather than a
III, and only the first stage was live.  They didn't want to do a full-
scale long-range test; the idea was just to establish whether air launch
was viable.  They pushed it out the rear ramp with a drogue chute or two
attached to the nose, waited a few seconds for the chutes to stabilize
the missile vertically and for the plane to get clear, and then fired.
It did work.
-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Moffett
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:14:05 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <Bw4pMM.5GB@scd.hp.com> albert@sc.hp.com (Albert Alcorn) writes:
>Does anybody have any parking recomendations?


That would be telling.


>Is there onsite parking?  If so, how early does it fill up?


Yes, it is suggested it will be filled by 10.


>Any better spots?


That would be telling.
The Navy will handle this.
This includes off-site arrangements in Mountain View.


>I plan on ariving around 8:30.

Maybe to a little on the late side.  I don't know how bad or long the lines
get before they open the gates to the public.  Ask the Navy when you get
here.  They have done this before, so let them handle this.  Field
residents are aware of certain parking restrictions.

Get here earlier (slightly) if you want to minimize walking.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: bownes@crd.ge.com (Blender in my Brain)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Cargo planes as Bombers
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:08:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: crd.1992Oct16.180803.5643
Reply-To: bownes@crd.ge.com
Organization: 0.030 Over Motorsports

I have seen footage of MinuteMen Missiles being dropped out of the back
of C-5a's and 'air launched'. It was a testing program in the 70's 
aimed at reducing the dependance on submarines. I believe Carter 
cancelled the project.

Quite a sight. 


---
Bob Bownes, aka iii "The only way I know where the train will go is when I'm 
sleeping on the tracks" -M. Etheridge
Warning: This may contain opinions. They belong to me, not to Aule-Tek, 
Sun Microsystems, General Electric or anyone else. But you can rent them. 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Moffett
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:15:59 GMT
Distribution: ca

I was bicycling Sunday from Ames into Mountain View
when I ran into one of my climbing partners, John Flinn, who
works for the SF Examiner.  One of the things which came out in
our discussions (John has a new book out on Mark Wellman the fellow
who ascended El Cap and Half Dome [physically challenged]):
he got to back seat the latest Blue Angels tour.  John said he blacked
out for 4 seconds at 4Gs and his article appears somewhere in the
Examiner sometime during the past week: if you are interested in trying
to find this article.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: Military career?
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:33:56 GMT

In article <BvvGEL.2yK@zoo.toronto.edu>,
	henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

> The bottom line right now is that supply of qualified candidates exceeds
> demand, so if you aren't quite young with perfect vision, forget it.

Quite right.  And people don't understand when I tell them that what
we need most of all is a good, long, worldwide conventional war.

-- 
John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.