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From: lgross@bnr.ca (Larry Ross)
Subject: Re: aligning tables with top of page
Reply-To: Larry.Ross@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:06:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.134212.11396@bass.lkw.com>, brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid) writes:
|> But... the widow/orphan option doesn't want to be set to 0, so one
|> line always trails over to page N+1. If make a new paragraph with
|> just the table marker, and set the font to 4 point, and the table
|> top margin to 0, this almost works.
|> 
|> Anyone know of a way of making this work for real?

I am having similar problems.  I have a master page with 2 columns.
On the body page I want a table that is >1 column worth of rows. If
The first column has a paragraph with just the table marker in it.
When the table flows in to the second column, I would like the tops
of the table to line up.

Like Birghid, I currently have the paragraph set to 4pt with a table
margin of 0.  What I really want is to be able to set the "Space Below"
feature on the paragraph to -4pt.  Negative numbers seemed to be ignored.

Any ways of making them line up?  

Please post as I currently cannot receive external email.  Thanks
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: aligning tables with top of page
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 13:42:12 GMT


Hello again!

I'm using a number of tables in a document. All the paragraphs
which preceed the tables are 2 lines. (definition statements)

One page N, I'll have a bunch of small paragraphs. Last paragragh
has the table marker. Page N+1 should start a new table at the
top of the page.

But... the widow/orphan option doesn't want to be set to 0, so one
line always trails over to page N+1. If make a new paragraph with
just the table marker, and set the font to 4 point, and the table
top margin to 0, this almost works.

Anyone know of a way of making this work for real?

thanks!

Brighid

brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wilcox@carina.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox)
Subject: Incorporating images
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 14:47:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


I am preparing a manuscript that will incorporate several (hundreds?)
images capturing from a videotape source. I have access to both a
RasterOps 364 Colorboard and a SuperMac VideoSpigot to do the
capturing. 

Does anyone have any suggestions on the best combination of card/file
format etc for getting these images into a form that will provide for
the best printed (b/w) output from Frame? I've tried saving as TIFF
and this seems best. Any suggestions on improving this method? 

A second question: when I save these images as TIFFs and import them
(by reference) into Frame, they take an incredibly long time to print.
By contrast, the same images imported into PageMaker print
substantially faster. Is this just a problem with Frame or is there
some way I can massage these TIFF files (or save into another format)
to speed this up and maintain the best printed output?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Sherman Wilcox
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: nicwi@isy.liu.se (Niclas Wiberg)
Subject: Re: OpenWindows-Version
Reply-To: nicwi@isy.liu.se
Organization: Linkoping University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:58:06 GMT

Marc Gumbold writes:
>Is anyone out there using both the Open Windows version _and_ the 
>X-Window/Motif version on his/her Sun?

Yes, we are using both the OW, Sunview and X/Motif versions of the
international FrameMaker. The differences for the user are mainly
in the UI. OL-frame integrates fairly well in the OW environment,
with Drag-n-Drop and double-clicking, but we have some minor
problems with tooltalk. We usually run OL-frame on a 4/470 server
connected to ELC's. This gives pretty good performance.

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Niclas Wiberg                         nicwi@isy.liu.se
Dept. of EE    Linkoping University   Sweden
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: master page problem
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:06:14 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <pete.716015760@marsh> pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)  
writes:
> Many thanks for all the help on my previous c code problem.
> 
> I was reading though the faq's and noticed the way 
> to put draft into the background of a document.
> ("Looks good, I'll give it a go")
> 
> I followed the instructions, but alas got no "DRAFT" in the 
> background after printing. I had a look on xpsview and noticed "DRAFT" was
> being written and then deleted...(bummer).

Is that "deleted" as in "covered up"?  If the text column that
overlays the draft has a white fill, Frame will paint it over
the background.  Make sure the text column on the master page
has Fill of None (then Use Formats From Current to apply it to
existing pages, don't forget).  May fix it.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mjamesb@bnr.ca (M. James Bartley on bmerh121)
Subject: Re: Spell Checking Anomaly!
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Reply-To: mjamesb@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:12:52 GMT

In comp.text.frame bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:

> Try this:  Put the word "Interleaf" in a Frame document and 
> spell check it.  An interesting correction is offered by
> Frame.
> 
> -- 
>  Bill Wilhelmi    
>  Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
>  1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
>  bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com

I found this one a while ago.  I found an even more interesting
one recently while trying to figure out how to do some fancy
hypertext stuff (it didn't work):

  - if you're on an Apollo or HP and your executable is maker3X.exe
    (somewhere down in $FMHOME/bin/bin.<your platform>), execute
    the command (while down in that directory):

      strings maker3X.exe | grep What

    and see what you get.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: Spell checker "feature"
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:36:21 GMT


In article <BuBKqo.9H8@cs.bham.ac.uk>, dma@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Anthony) writes:
|> 
|> I note that in a document that contained the word "Interleaf" the
|> frame dictionary suggested I correct it to "Framemaker". There is
|> clearly scope here for other creative changes. I suggest IBM could be
|> improved to Sun maybe. Other suggestions could be  System 5 to BSD, or HPUX
|> to, well anything actually.

A more useful feature would be a Cleanse option which would flag naughty or
offensive words and suggest more socially acceptable alternatives.

For instance, it would flag "sh*t" and suggest:
	fecal matter
	feces
	doo-doo
	poop

Of course, you could turn this option off.  That way, you could write anything
you wanted, as long as you spelled it correctly.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: master page problem
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:57:35 GMT


In article <pete.716015760@marsh>, pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:
|> Many thanks for all the help on my previous c code problem.
|> 
|> I was reading though the faq's and noticed the way 
|> to put draft into the background of a document.
|> ("Looks good, I'll give it a go")
|> 
|> I followed the instructions, but alas got no "DRAFT" in the 
|> background after printing. I had a look on xpsview and noticed "DRAFT" was
|> being written and then deleted...(bummer). I had a quick 
|> hack at the ps and was able to print the page as I required.
|> Is there something I have missed?

Yes.  The text columns must be transparent.  You see, the "Draft" is a
background graphic, and as such, is behind the text columns on the page.

If you are planning to use the draft banner, you should make all text columns
(on all pages and all master pages) Fill Pattern: None.

Unfortunately, for an already existing document, I know of no way to do a mass
change of this type.  You must go to EVERY page, select the text column(s) and
click Fill:None.  Not fun in a 100 page document.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
From: dma@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Anthony)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Spell checker "feature"
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:35:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham University. Great Britain


I note that in a document that contained the word "Interleaf" the
frame dictionary suggested I correct it to "Framemaker". There is
clearly scope here for other creative changes. I suggest IBM could be
improved to Sun maybe. Other suggestions could be  System 5 to BSD, or HPUX
to, well anything actually.


-- 
Denis 

D.M.Anthony@cs.bham.ac.uk tel 021-414-3817 (Internal 3817)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: master page problem (read my lips!)
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:23:32 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.125735.13339@sei.cmu.edu> ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch) writes:
]...[

>Yes.  The text columns must be transparent.  You see, the "Draft" is a
>background graphic, and as such, is behind the text columns on the page.
>
>If you are planning to use the draft banner, you should make all text columns
>(on all pages and all master pages) Fill Pattern: None.
>
>Unfortunately, for an already existing document, I know of no way to do a mass
>change of this type.  You must go to EVERY page, select the text column(s) and
>click Fill:None.  Not fun in a 100 page document.

I was SURE I had tried this and it didn't work.  But given all the e-amil I
received and the articles posted, I decided to try it -- just to be sure.

Well, just like our illustrious president, it turns out that I lied.  Yes, you
can make the text columns transparent (Fill:None) on the Master Pages and
re-apply them to the Body pages (using Page:ColumnLayouts).  But two caviots
must be mentioned:

1.  Anchored Frames have a fill of White by default, and there really IS no
    way to do a mass change on them.  (And don't forget about referenced
    frames (on the Reference Pages).

2.  Many graphics (including all bitmaps) have white backgrounds about which
    you can do nothing.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213

P.S.  And unlike Bush, I won't promise that I won't do it again!
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee)
Subject: Re: Frame on Windows
Keywords: Saving Files
Reply-To: engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. of EE, National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.180504.8362@mks.com>, fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky) writes:
|> I have recently started using Frame on Windows.  With each save it
|> appears that Frame is creating a new file by adding % to the beginning
|> of the file. eg: if I save "file" 4 times there are four files, the last
|> one having the name %%%file.
|> 
|> 1) this is very annoying
|> 2) I was doing saves while working and seem to have lost some of the 
|>    changes (I have no idea why)
|> 
|> Do I have Frame incorrectly configured or is this normal behavior???
|> 
|> I would like to resolve this before I begin next months newsletter.
|> -- 
|>      ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Fred Kratky		fred@mks.com 
|>     /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.     (519) 884-2251
|>    / | //_// ||\___/     35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ont., Can. N2J 2W9
|> 0_/                       

I experience exactly the same thing when I started using Frame on my PC.
In fact, the save command in the File Menu is slightly different from
that in Sun (Frame2.0) in that it no longer tells you whether you need
to save or not. In Frame2.0 you have something like Save (needed) or
Save (no needed). Am I missing something here?

Kiat
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: nghoff@albert.monsanto.com (Norman G. Hoffman)
Subject: SUMMARY: Running Maker breaks other 3d party program
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:50:43 GMT

ORIGINAL QUERY:

I asked about a problem with another 3rd party program after running the 
OpenLook version of Frame Maker 3.1 (Sparc 1+, SunOS 4.1.1, OpenWindows 3.0).
The program produces the following output:

    nghoff@albert 49> vn
    VNX: starting VNMR
    X Error:  BadAccess
      Request Major code 89 ()
      Request Minor code 0
      ResourceID 0x0
      Error Serial #92
      Current Serial #93
    nghoff@albert 50> 

THANKS TO:

Peter Ilieve <peter@memex.co.uk>
bedi@cs.ucdavis.edu (Rupinder S. Bedi)
stank@snow.wv.tek.com (Stan Kalinowski)

RESPONSE:

Apparently the two programs together are allocating too many colors,
and vn is not handling it very well.

Peter wrote:

> The answer to this lies in /usr/include/X11/Xproto.h, which names the X
> protocol opcodes. 89 is X_StoreColors. ...
>
> It is not necessarily FrameMaker that is breaking the other thing. I would
> guess the other thing is already broken. It looks as though it assumes that
> it can always allocate a certain number of writable cells in the colormap,
> possibly in the default colormap. If FrameMaker, or any other application,
> has already allocated lots of colours for itself then there will just not
> be enough cells left. Colormap cells are a resource that you can run out 
> of...  It looks as though [vn] is not prepared for the XStoreColors to fail,
> so dies horribly.

And Stan wrote:

> According to my X protocol book request 89 is XStoreColors and it says
> that a BadAccess is generated when "a specified pixel either is
> unallocated or is allocated read only".
>
> ...If it seems that the last one started always looses, I'd guess that it's
> running out of some resource, most likely colormap entries.

This does indeed happen.  If vn is started first, Maker comes up with
a broken trademark logogram on the main FrameMaker window, but generates
no error messages.  (It appears to work otherwise, although I didn't try 
it extensively.)  It seems Frame could handle the problem a little
better, too.

Anyway, I'm talking to both vendors now and hopefully we'll come 
up with a workaround.

Norm Hoffman
nghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
From: dma@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Martin Anthony)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Bibliographies in Framemaker
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:08:40 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham University. Great Britain

There does not seem (at first sight) a proper bibliographic generation
system in Framemaker. How does everyone else do it? I note there is a
program called fmbib via ftp, but it seems a bit fragile. Is there an
alternative? Or do people use fmbib and find it OK.

Cheers




-- 
Denis
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: master page problem
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:40:55 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.203031.2467@essex.com> steved@essex.com writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.203007.22108@sfu.ca> Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>  
> writes:
> > In article <1992Sep9.125735.13339@sei.cmu.edu> Alan Koch, ask@sei.cmu.edu
> > writes:
> > >Yes.  The text columns must be transparent.  You see, the "Draft" is a
> > >background graphic, and as such, is behind the text columns on the page.

Alright. I've done this before, and I tried it again just now (NeXT FM 3.0.1).

Just set ALL the columns on ALL the master pages to "Fill- none".

Then "use formats from - Page Layouts".

It does work.

Note to Frame, Inc: Why are text columns (textrects) always born filled with white?  
I nearly always need them to be transparent, so I have to manually set their fill  
each time.

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From: pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Numbering
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:55:14 GMT

Is it possible to include a user defined variable
as building block in the paragraph numbering?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: aligning tables with top of page
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:28:22 GMT


In article <1992Sep09.134212.11396@bass.lkw.com>, brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid) writes:
|> 
|> Hello again!
|> 
|> I'm using a number of tables in a document. All the paragraphs
|> which preceed the tables are 2 lines. (definition statements)
|> 
|> One page N, I'll have a bunch of small paragraphs. Last paragragh
|> has the table marker. Page N+1 should start a new table at the
|> top of the page.
|> 
|> But... the widow/orphan option doesn't want to be set to 0, so one
|> line always trails over to page N+1. If make a new paragraph with
|> just the table marker, and set the font to 4 point, and the table
|> top margin to 0, this almost works.
|> 
|> Anyone know of a way of making this work for real?

You're going the wrong way with widow/orphan.  This setting tells how many
lines can appear on a leading/trailing page when the table must be split.
So you can force it to the top of the next page by setting widow/orphan to a
LARGE number.  If it is at least 1/2 the number of lines in the table, the
whole table will be forced onto a single page.

Of course, this whole line of reasoning breaks down if the table is too long
to fit on a page.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: yount@fox.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Robert Yount)
Subject: floating anchored frames out of order
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:35:03 GMT


I'm writing a report with lots of figures, and I'm putting each one in
a floating anchored frame.  In each anchored frame, I'm placing a text
frame containing the figure number (autonumbered) and title.  The
problem is that the frames don't maintain their relative position.
For example, Figure 14 appears before 13 even though the anchor for 14
is after 13.  This happens because 14 is small enough to fit in the
remaining space on the page, but 13 floats to the next page.

Is there any way to maintain relative positions of anchored frames?
This anomaly makes my document quite confusing to read.
Alternatively, is there a better way to do floating figures?

Thanks,
Chuck Yount
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: vening@skyhawk.chdasic.sps.mot.com (Michele Vening)
Subject: Re: Numbering
Summary: no user-defined variables in autonumber
Keywords: autonumber user variables
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector, Arizona
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:35:44 GMT

In article <1553@scax18.pki-nbg.philips.de> pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs) writes:
>Is it possible to include a user defined variable
>as building block in the paragraph numbering?

The answer is "not currently" but "logged as an enhancement request."  
Please see the mail I sent.

#Date: Thu, 11 Jun 92 13:09:22 PDT
#From: uunet!miles.frame.com!kah (Ken Haubrock)
#Message-Id: <9206112009.AA07926@miles.frame.com>
#To: vening@chdasic
#Subject: variables in autonumbered paragraphs?
#
#Michele,
#Regarding the following:
#=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
#
#   I am running 3.1X on a Sun.  I gather from reading the manual that
#it is not possible to include variables of any sort in the
#autonumbering of a paragraph.  Am I correct?  If not, what are the
#rules and syntax?  If I am correct, are you planning to add this
#feature?
#=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
#
#This is correct. I will log this suggestion as an enhancement request.
#...
#
#Ken Haubrock
#Frame Technical Support


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Re: labeling blank pages
Reply-To: horen@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:18:47 GMT

In article 17772@mlb.semi.harris.com, kcr@deneb.mlb.semi.harris.com (Keighley Ross) writes:
>In article <1992Sep04.202306.3639@evolving.com> judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:
>>Is there an easy way to automatically show "this page intentionally
>>left blank" on blank pages which are embedded in a document?
>>
>>We've got a document with certain sections which must land on
>>a right-hand page, so we end up with blank pages in the middle
>
>Well, you could put that message on a master page and use Add Page,
>but that creates some other complications.
>
>How about creating a paragraph tag "blankpage" that has:
>   Basic:Start At:Top of Page
>   Advanced:Frame Below  pointing to a frame with the message
>   Basic:Space Below  large enough force the next paragraph to a new page

What a beautifully elegant solution, I'm impressed and so happy that I'm
grinning from ear-to-ear! I went and tried it, and it works great. This is
a tremendous example (and strong propaganda for :-) the "less is more"
school of thought.

Keighley, my hat's off to you!!

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cs.misc
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 13:12:13 GMT


Yes, under SCO's ODT. I needed to put the information
in my .Xdefaults-hostname file because an environment
variable (maybe XENVIRONMENT) was not set.

Brighid

brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.text.interleaf