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From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Equipment Maintenance
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <6730@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>Do all high wind sailors have this type of problems?  If I had to guess on
>the list of high maintenance items that are due to wear not abuse it would be
>as follows:  
>
>    1.  Harness lines

Replace these once a year or less. A very tightly fitting plastic tube will
keep the lines in good shape for a long time. This depends on your sailing
style. Some people replace the lines several times per year.

>    2.  Mastbase

It's wise to replace the universal joint every year even if it doesn't seem
necessary. I also had to replace the star plate of my Tiga due to somewhat
similar wear as yours.

>    3.  Mastbase extension

Never had problems with these. I mostly don't use variable extensions, so
maybe that's why.

>    4.  Boom grip

If you are careful, the grip will not suffer much.

>    5.  Wetsuit repair

I have to do this occasionally (a few times per year), but it's usually
due to coming in contact with the blade fin of my board. At some point,
the neoprene will become fragile and it's no longer worth it to repair
the suit. I'll have to replace my wetsuit for next year.

>    6.  Sail stitching repair

Not necessary, unless you catapult on the sail and go through it. This
has never happened to me, but it's quite common with some others. I guess
it depends on your sailing style.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

>Here's to safe sailing!
>>
>
>-- 
>
>>>=- Roger Christal
Also wear a condom (for safe sailing) :-). However on a more serious note, if
you have a collision when you jibe, you must ask 2 questions (according to
Roger Carl)
	1. Are you OK?
	2. How much do I owe you?

narayan 

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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:33:40 GMT

In article <thompson.715445405@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>
thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
 
>  On the other hand, I think that putting some (easy to
>remove) labels on booms that say "port" and "starboard" would be a
>good learning tool.  Hopefully by the time they fall off the sailor
>won't need them any more.  These could even be packaged and/or sold
>separately.  Or you could make your own with a little duct tape!
>--
My first reaction: "Good suggestion."  On further thought, though,
isn't 90% of the battle won when a sailor realises that there are
right of way rules and the port vs. starboard make a difference?
(The sailor must still learn the rules, but (in my experience) this
follows almost automatically once their existence and their basic
parameters are known...maybe not?)
 
I use a simple rule (might have been mentioned somewhere in this thread
too) for keeping port vs starboard tacks straight..."If my right hand is
leading (ie, its in front in normal sailing position), I have the right
of way (over a sailor on the mirror image tack); right hand in back, and
I must take the back seat, so to speak."
From: plunkett@snips.tmc.edu (Marianne Plunkett-Prestwich)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:50:11 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
NNTP-Posting-Host: snips.dfci.harvard.edu

I wear an Ultrsport Kayakers vest and find it makes waterstarrting much less
tiring and minimizes the impact with mast boom or board following high speed
crashes.  I sized it a bit small so it stays tight and does not ride up.
The vest is cut high so I can always access my harness hook.  I bought it
mail order from REI Seattle WA for $42.00.  I recommend it highly.

9'2" Screamer  10'6" Samba Owner
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>midnight.  After dinner I went back and scored a new Chinook medium
>grip boom for $132.50!  Yes.  Finished out the night at The North
>
>Yesterday I went up to HR and delt with Chinook.  They were very
>nice and promptly replaced the entire bad side of my boom.
>
>What a weekend!
>----------
>(Ken Berger) /  8:44 am  Aug 25, 1992 /

Hi Ken,
I'm looking for a new boom for 4.5 and smaller sails.  I've narrowed it
down to 3:
Chinook (<$150), Fleetwood Composite (<$200) and Fiberspar Carbon (<$250).
I like the Fiberspar since it is the lightest and stiffest yet it isolates
the mast from the boom quite well so mast breakage is minimized.  The
Fleetwood is probably the most durable and I like the FE connection
adjustment mechanism better.  The Chinook looks like the best value, but
I worry about "exploding booms" while in difficult conditions.  All three
have good warranties and are made in the US.  Right now I'm using a 
Fleetwood Carbon ('90) and was told that I wouldn't like the Chinook since
I'm used to sailing stiffer booms.  Have you compared these?  I have both
of the others for larger sails and am quite happy with them (I like the
Fiberspar the best due to its stiffness and low weight).

Any thing to add or recommend?
Thanks
Kirk out
From: jeffb@terapin.com (Jeffrey Bean)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:08:29 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Aug25.083219@wsl.dec.com>, mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan
Mohanram) writes:
>Yesturday after swimming for an hour at cyote, I was wondering what was the
>best way to swim your equipment back. The wind died about 3/4 mile out, and 
>I was faced with a long swim. I tried putting the sail on the back of the
>board and lying on it and paddling. The board however kept turning parallel
>to the direction of the swells (which is not the direction I wanted to go).
>I ended up doing the old backstroke with the rig in tow. Is this the best
>method. Are there more experienced swimmers out there? 
>
    Well, I'm not a very experienced windsurfer, myself, but it sounds like
you've never heard of the High-Air self rescue, where you just untie your sail
from the boom, rap it around the mast, tie it down and lay the boom flat along
the mast.  Then all you have to worry about is the drag from the mast.
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Helmet Foam
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:37:28 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

>I'm a little disturbed to see the suggestions from Bruce Spedding and Ken
>Berger for removing the liner from a helmet so that it fits over a hood.

I use this, too; it works great.  I only take out the front piece of
foam, so with the hood on I have similar padding in front and more on
top and in back.  Experimentally, it takes a pop just the same with the
foam or with the hood. 

These helmets are not carefully designed anyway; they use one shell and
vary only the foam inserts for all the "sizes".  The foam is also
springy rather than the stiff, one-time-crush styrofoam used in bike and
motorcycle helmets.  I would not recommend modifying a helmet for
bicycling because that truly needs to crush in a serious head-object
crash.  For windsurfing, you are generally hitting or being hit by
relatively light objects (even your board), so all you need is something
to spread the impact out, not absorb the blow by crushing. 


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: lifejacket
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep1.155455.26838@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, moc@bnl.gov (Mike O'Connor) writes:
>	Does anybody know of a windsurfing helmet that will fit over a wetsuit
>hood?  I've tried Xtra Large Protec helmets but they are not large enough 
>to fit over a hood.  Since most of my 4.0 sailing requires a hood, I've been 
>reluctant to buy a helmet.  How are the helmets with the adjustable ear protectors,
>I've forgotten the brand name. 
>
>Mike O'Connor    moc@bnl.gov                             
>Brookhaven National Laboratory           
>Long Island NY
I use a canoeing helmet with about 3/8" of closed cell foam as a liner,
why not get one and rip out the lining?
Bruce

Bruce Spedding
Materials Science and Performance
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From: poulton@opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Subject: Re: Broken Downhauls
Organization: High Speed Electronics Department, HP Labs, Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:51:43 GMT

> The problem I have (hopefully, had) is (was) just breaking stuff.  
> ..... I hear this loud pop, look over, and see that the 
> pulley in the mast extension has exploded, just like the first one did.  
> It was a Mistral extension, with a plastic pulley housing, the plastic 
> broke, and the pulley simply pulled free.

Your problem is the word "plastic".  (If it had been Bic, I would have
known immediately.)  I had the same problem with breaking *all* the
plastic fittings on my Bic rig.  If you have any plastic fittings from
one of these package rigs REPLACE THEM NOW!  They'll break under steady
use, even with the sail-rags they are meant for.  They will die very quickly 
with modern high-end sails (and the high-speed crashes these 
provide :-).   If you are lucky, they will break on the beach.
If not, they will break 2 miles out on a fast tide...


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
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From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: Life jackets
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:27:55 GMT

One argument against life jackets, worth noting, is this: 

if you are wearing a life jacket and you get caught underneath your sail when 
you're in the water it can be very tricky.  The extra bouyancy of the jacket 
will push you against the sail and swimming or diving around the sail is much 
more difficult.

Personally, I feel if you're doing flat water sailing (which is usually the
case in southern Ontario) and you know what you're doing, then there is no
big reason to wear a PFD.  Yet it is still illegal not to wear one...

-Bill

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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: HAILS (was: Sailing Right-Of-Way)
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:24:50 GMT

Let's get the hails out of the way.  The following excerpts are from
of the "1989-92 International Yacht Racing Rules", published by the
United States Yacht Racing Union (now US Sailing), 1991 revised
edition under "Part IV - Right of a Way Rules".  This post covers all
sections of Part IV dealing with hails.

There are four portions concerning hailing.  They are Section A - 32.2
HAILING, Section B - 38.2(c) Hailing to Stop or Prevent a Luff,
Section C - 42 Rounding or Passing Marks and Obstructions and Section
C - 43.1 HAILING.  Only Section C - 43.1 actualy requires a hail be
made.

Section C -43.1 HAILING, states, "When two close-hauled yachts are on
the same tack and safe pilotage requires the yacht clear ahead or the
leeward yacht to make a substantial alteration of course to clear an
obstruction, and when she intends to tack, but cannot tack without
colliding with the other yacht, she shall hail the other yacht for
room to tack and clear the other yacht, but she shall not hail and
tack simultaneously."

Hope this will end the "Hails" discussion.
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: RIO VISTA swap meet
Reply-To: wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:23:54 GMT

Does anyone know if there will be a labor-day weekend swap meet
in Rio Vista like there was last year.  If so, is it Sat. or Sun.?
and is it at windcraft again?

Andy
From: pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Winds in SW France (Atlantic) ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:08:31 GMT
Reply-To: pmb@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

Hello,
I hope somebody can help tell me about possible wind speeds in SW France.
I will be spending 3 weeks in September with my work near Biarritz.
Also, are these sea breezes or caused by depressions as in the UK ?


I have scanned 10 years of windsurfing mags, surf guides, metrological
books, etc,etc.

I know the sort of wave heights to expect and even some good locations
to sail at but what I don't know is what sort of wind speeds I can expect!
All of the reports I find are different (some say force 3 every day others
talk about offshore gales!).


BTW. Knowing the windspeeds will allow me to decide which board to take.

Some background info that may help :-
  -  I am really into wave sailing (I will go out in a force 2-3).
  -  Wave heights up to 8ft (2.5M) are ok (so I suppose I am 'advanced').
  -  I use a Tiga Wave 257 (86 liters) with 3.2m to 5.5m (or even wavesailing
        in light winds) and a Bic Astro Rock (285cm, 125 liters) with
        a 5.5m and 6.4m


Windspeeds,etc in any units are OK(I'll convert).
I am happy to treat any information as confidential if you desire.

Thanks in advance,
Pete.


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Peter Bochel
pmb@geosys.co.uk
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:23:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Nuclear Day in the Gorge 8/21/92
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>The most common question in the parking lot by the S.F. Bay sailors and others,
>was "Where can we go to find less wind?"
>
A friend, Narayan, sailed Friday at Candlestick and had all he could handle
on his 3.3 (4?).  A bigger friend, Jeremy, sailed tigers for several hours
overpowered on his 4.2.  Wind gusts were measured at 41 MPH that day at the
SF airport.  Sounds like I missed (due to a busted leg and 2 hernia operations)
a good 3.4 day for me (210 lbs).

>This fits the description of a "Nuclear Day".
>
Mine is about the same.  Too bad we don't get the good swells you guys
get at the Gorge and we only get about a half dozen or so days of 40 MPH
wind each year.

>Path:wiltonh@windsurf.cci.tek.com  THE GORGE: Living on the edge of a HURRICANE
>----------
>
Kirk out

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:42:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Nuclear Day in the Gorge 8/21/92
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>On the other hand, when I got up the beach some, there were some 
>people -- walking down to the beach with rigs in hand -- who stopped, 
>got my rig, derigged it, carried it to the car and strapped it down, 
>helped me to the car and pointed me towards the nearest hospital -- 
>they even offered to drive me, but I thought I'd be OK.
>
I broke the same bone at 3rd Ave in the SF Bay and several sailors helped
me out of the water, got my gear, etc. also.  I've gotten lots of calls
and email from windsurfing friends also with many even comming by my
house to see if they can help with groceries, etc.  We belong to a
WONDERFUL group!

>Anyway, anybody else out there done this??  I had about 10 people in 
>Hood River stop me over the following couple of day telling me that
>they had done the same thing -- some still in casts.  I broke off
>the end of my fibula (little bone on outside of ankle).  I had two
>screws put in to make it set right.  If you've done this, I'm curious
>to know how long it took you to come back from it.  I'm somewhat of
>a runner and want to get some idea how long it will be before I can
>go back to working out.  
>
I broke mine July 15th and my Dr says I can probably start sailing again
sometime in September.  I also had two hernia operations while down with
the leg so my recovery may be a bit longer as I still get very tired
doing simple thing like getting groceries and other errands.  At least
I use the errands to build up my strength.

>By the way, my experience was that spraining an ankle is a whole lot more
>painful than breaking, which surprised me -- although I'm sure it depends
>on how badly the break is.
>
I agree.  I got 3 screws and my brother "just" had a spiral fracture in
the same bone 2 weeks prior to mine breaking and it seems like he had
alot more pain to deal with.  Our conditioning and pain tollerance may 
just be much higher from pushing the envelope (no pain, no gain theory).

>-- Tom Rebman  (tmr@drutx.att.com)
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Kirk out
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:46:12 GMT
Subject: Re: North Booms
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>               Both times the boom was only a few months old. At
> least this time I still have the receipt, and should be able
> have it covered under warranty.

You never guessed that windsurfing would teach you the importance of
good recordkeeping, did you?  Save those receipts!  Pound for pound,
they are worth much more than the gear they represent. 


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
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From: des@spock.retix.com (Mondo)
Subject: Sailing at Cabrillo
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:32:29 GMT



I have heard good things about Cabrillo beach just north
of Malibu.  When are the conditions best for this area ?
Prevailing wind direction/strength etc

Is the surf a problem for an intermediate sailor who
can cope with the surf at San Pedro ? (good waterstarts,
occasional jibe).

Is there a windtalker number, or other phone no. 
for weather information ?

Is there anything else I should know before trying to sail there,
where is the best place to park etc ?

Des

Also I have a Mistral Maui long board for sail, complete
with carbon mast, RAF sail and clamp on boom for about $350 obo.

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From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Posters wanted
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

In article <BtIJyA.yv@iat.holonet.net>, kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff) writes:
|> I've been getting more and more into windsurfing the last 6 months and I decided
|> I'd buy a couple of windsurfing posters to put on my walls.  The problem is that
|> I can't find any places that sell any.  Does anyone know of a store that sells
|> them and is somewhat close to the Oakland-Berkeley area?  I've tried some of the
|> local stores (California Sail & Ski, etc.) and didn't see any.
|> 

I have a couple of cool posters in my office which were free. Those are
advertising poster that you usually see in the shop. They sometimes have
extras, and some of them are pretty nice. 

I would not recommend buying standard posters because if they are anything
like skiing posters, they are usualy a couple of years olds (sometime
seems like >10 years which is an eternity in those sports) which makes
them look totally out of date (the equipment changes a lot over that
period of time).

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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:33:26 GMT

srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding) writes:

>In article <thompson.714847579@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:

>>I don't find the arguments that wetsuit+harness = enough flotation to
>>be true for me.  I got bonked on the head once by another guy's mast.
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I was pretty glad I had a real PFD on then.  Freak accidents do happen
>>and a PFD might save your life.

>I nearly always wear a helmet, it provides thermal protection, physical
>protection and IMHO is more comfortable than a neoprene hood. With a helmet
>on the arguement for the need for a PFD in case you are knocked unconsious
>becomes less important. I find my wetsuit provides a lot of bouyancy and
>can't imagine what it would have been like to swim out of most of the
>situations I've been in with a lifejacket on. I've got a kid & less hair too,
>but basically I wouldn't wear a PFD windsurfing unless it was to make someone
>else feel more comfortable (ie my son or partner).

For the record: When I got "bonked" it was (a) light air, (b) flat
water, (c) hot (i.e. no wetsuits).  I was racing.  The other guy just
dropped a very large and heavy rig on me as I passed to leeward.  I
was not out cold, but definitely could not swim well for about one
minute.  Do other people wear wetsuits/helmets in these conditions?
Certainly no one else in sight of me at the time was.
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
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