HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Remapping problems (I think)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:23:45 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr12.082129.4268@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
> Since installing system 6.0 I've been unable to use my 3.5"
>drives; the Finder (probably meaning GS/OS) thinks I have two
>copies of CVTechROM (yes, I have a Rev. C RamFAST), and the
>'other' copy resides in my 3.5" drive.

Can you disable the ROM disk on the Rev C?  There's an "options" menu for the
Rev D which allows you to make it go away.  Somebody else said that doing
so solved a bunch of problems.

> I suppose this is due to the fact that RamFAST remaps slots?

Probably.

>  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 8

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From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple II BL and my Apple III
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:01:31 GMT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn, Maine (207) 777-3465

I have an Apple II BL!!  I've gotten it to work sometimes!!  Does anyone 
have the schmatic?  

I have gotten the drives on my Apple III to work finally; I owe some 
people a few disks - I forgot what they needed!!!  Do you (whomever) 
remember?       Thanks  Larry

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From: bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Here is the FIX for the new P8 problems
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:02:44 GMT
Organization: Not much!
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

In <64692@apple.Apple.COM> shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:

>In article <ktkf7aINN19i@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) writes:

>>When booting with the new Prodos 8.2.1 I have found that the 8 bit version
>>of Cat Doctor crashes upon running, So does DB Master Professional (latest
>>version), and so does Proterm 2.2.

>I can't explain this, because ProTerm v2.2 runs fine for me, and so do my
>many copies of Cat Doctor.  What kind of hardware are you using?  RamFAST's
>in particular are having problems with remapped slots & ProDOS 8 v2.0.1.

Well folks The problem can now be fixed. I spoke today with Drew Vogen at
CVT, and he refered me to Tim Grams who has been kind enough to give me
the fix to share with all..

Use your favorite block editor (I used Block Warden) and get into the P8
file in your system sub-directory then go to block 5 of the P8 file and
find location 1A3. there you should find a value of A5. Change it to 00
save it back to the disk, and presto!!!! all of the broken P8 programs will
work again.. CAUTION: DO NOT DO THE ABOVE MOD TO YOUR ORIGINAL DISKS..
MAKE A BACKUP TO WORK ON!!! 

What this is supposed to do is turn off the re-mapping feature in P8
so that only the RamFast card does the remapping..

CVT will have a new chip upgrade available next week (upgrade price is $15)
that will allow you to turn on or off the remapping from the chip. Then you
will have a choice to either allow the Ramfast to do the remap or to allow
Prodos 8.2.1 to remap..


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From: tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: writing drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:23:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: chasm.9204090123.AA10264
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Matt Deatherage's lips:
> 
> Right source, wrong book.  If you have _any_ GS/OS book labeled "Volume 1"
> or "Volume 2", burn it.  It's out of date and dangerous.

    Does this include the Toolbox References?  At least I have Vol. 3 of
that (but not Volume 1).
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From: 2frlrepay@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Vulcan HD & System 6 (Still not working...)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:01:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


	Has anybody had success yet using the installer from System 6 onto
Vulcan hard drives?  I tried copying the Vulcan drivers onto the installer
disk, and then booting it, but it still lost the hard drive.  I have tried just
about every combination, including pressing shift so that no DAs or Inits will
be loaded.  I have copied a clean copy of System 6 over to a second partition
on my Vulcan adding all necessary drivers, but this will not work either.  
If anyone knows of anyone that has succeeded in doing this, I would be very
glad to be able to get in touch with them.
	As a last resort, are the installer scripts for System 6 identical to
those for previous systems?  (That is, can I look up in the technical notes how
script files work and use that to install the files and delete the right old
ones?)  Another thing, what is the Goodies disk?  I say that Apple Bowl was
supposedly located on that disk or in a subdirectory named that, but have been
unable to find it.

	Thanks for any and/or all help...

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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 BUGS???
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:39:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <9204071050.AA01343@green.cooper.edu> r.levy@GREEN.COOPER.EDU (Rami_Levy-) writes:
>I have experienced the following serious bugs with System 6.0:
>1. When a 3.5" disk is ejected, the hard drive icons on the desktop are 
>"deselected" (as if they were ejected too), and the Finder proceeds
>to request that I "Please insert" my hard drive.  The only way to get
>around this, of course, is to reboot the machine.  The 3.5" disk does eject.
>
>2. The Finder does not save its PREFERENCES, so that I have to reset them
>each time.
>
>3.  The Finder does not save the settings of the root directory of my
>hard drives (e.g., icon positions, icon colors, etc.).
>
>4. The Desktop setup is not saved either.
>
>5. Trying to execute a BASIC program gives me the message "To run a PRODOS
>application, the file must reside on a PRODOS volume." It does.
>
>Please help!!!!!! Thanks.

Wow!  Your system sounds truly wacked out.  I haven't heard of any of
these things happening to anybody else.

2, 3, and 4 could happen if your boot disk is completely FULL.  I can't
explain 1 and 5.

In 5, is the message on the desktop or the text screen?  If it's on the
desktop, the Finder is complaining--if it's on the text screen, the
Finder thought everything was fine, but GS/OS thought the application
was on a non-ProDOS (and non-AppleShare) disk.

What's your system configuration?  Especially your hard drive(s), and
any custom drivers in your System:Drivers folder.

Does holding down Shift help?  You should see "No Inits/DAs" on the
thermometer screen.

Did you install 6.0 using the Installer?

How much memory is free (in "About the Finder...")?
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From: ztsindi@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (The Independents - SUNY Buffalo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS Moria Source (update)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	For anyone who wants to play with it, I will be uploading the
Moria source I got from Jason Harper to Tybalt. Someone pointed out 
that you can get later versions of Moria from Kukulcan.Berkeley.Edu.
Thats true but I believe you will need a curses package for the C
source. As of yet (as far as I know) there is no workable Curses 
package for the GS. Of course, if I'm wrong I'D like to know where
a curses that works like the UNIX version is!
							-Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Subject: Re: System 6.0 BUGS AZ problems (was re: system 6 bugs)
Summary:   y: You
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:34:09 GMT

Hmm.  I don't know... I've never ever heard of this problem before...you may
want to try re-downloading and unShrinking (from tybalt ideally, I know
what Todd has up works)s up works.)

*damn I wish Emacs got along with these cheap VT220 clones*
(or, sorry if theres any scrambling in the above :-)



-- 
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: BASIC.Launcher
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:27:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <d561795@pro-beagle.cts.com> lhaider@pro-beagle.cts.com (Laer Haider) writes:
>Does the new ProDOS come with a new BASIC and BASIC.Launcher?  Seems I
>lost my BASIC.launcher file and can't get my basic programs to run from the
>Finder.  I hope to replace it with System 6.0.  Is it there?

BASIC.Launcher is obsolete, so the Installer nukes it for you.  If you have
no custom icon for Applesoft programs, the system takes care of everything
automatically.

If you -do- have a custom "Applesoft BASIC Program" icon, use an icon editor
to change the application path from */BASIC.Launcher to */BASIC.System, and
everything will be peachy again.

(GS/OS automatically reads the MessageCenter and stuffs the pathname into
the startup buffer of a SYS file, like BASIC.System, in 6.0.  This is what
BASIC.Launcher did, but the 6.0 approach is more generic.)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: ShrinkIt 1.0.5 and .Z
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 22:28:20 GMT

fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:

>Your best bet however is to convert them at the UNIX side with "tr".

And these two csh aliases do a great job of automating it:

-----
alias lf2cr "cat \!^ | tr '\012' '\015' > \!^.X ; rm -f \!^; mv \!^.X \!^"
alias cr2lf "cat \!^ | tr '\015' '\012' > \!^.X ; rm -f \!^; mv \!^.X \!^"
-----

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 02:44:24 -0400 
From: "Seth D. Kadesh" <sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sound CDEV - "you have mail" ?!

THIS has piqued my interest, and I'm surprised nobody's asked about
this before (unless someone did, and I missed the entire discussion).
So, can someone elaborate on this event in the finder?

  seth ---> sk2f@andrew.cmu.edu                               |<opinions?>
/everything seems so easy this way but I'm going under fast,\_|
\I'm slipping away, am I so crazy?              - Marillion /
From: lorend@pro-scat.cts.com (Loren Damewood )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IR 2.0 available on ftp.apple.com
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:18:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr17.051815.29955
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <22971@goofy.Apple.COM> mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:

>In article <22826@goofy.Apple.COM>, I wrote:
>> 
>> IR 2.0 is now available on ftp.apple.com for downloading.  I don't object
>> if someone breaks it up and posts it to comp.binaries.apple2, but it's about
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 343K and I didn't have the time to do so myself.  If you do, make sure you
>> keep the whole package together; don't split it up.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Since you bring up the subject . . .   just what _do_ you want? You can't have
it both ways, seems to me.

I wondered at the time, seeing the post, whether you were suggesting it be
done or prohibiting it, and since the wording is about as ambiguous as you
can get I'm not surprised nobody knew what you meant.    ;-)
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From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Serial port on Apple //c
Date: 13 Apr 1992 14:27:16 GMT
Organization: Simulacron I

I don't have my books in front of me so I can't answer your question.
But I thought I'd put in my $0.02 worth.

This is a technical question which could be easily answered if you
had the //c tech book from Apple.  Why I even bring this up is because
you may also want to change the parity, number of stop bits, etc....
All of this (and the proper locations) are in the //c Tech Book.  So
if you are going to be working with the internals of the //c a lot I'd
like to suggest you buy that book.  Second hand, or used books should be
in fair abundance.  The original (if I remember correctly) cost only about
$20.00.  So you should be able to find a book for $5.00 - $10.00 used.

I hope this helps.  :-)
From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green, SysOp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AudioZap question
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:38:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Harold Network -- Pro-Harold BBS -- San Diego, CA

In <1992Apr7.003313.24543@news.iastate.edu>
irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt) writes:

>I have a Sonic Blister


Ouch. Sounds painful.

;>

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From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Geek Benchmarks
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:35:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <3TPsiB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:

>[ Lots o' benchmarks deleted ]

BTW, the Finder's own loading time isn't going to get much faster than it
already is -- I had to do the preloading of resources from the resource
fork myself in order to speed up the load time.  Maybe a -few- seconds could
be shaved from the load time by cutting down on the number of resources (and
hence reduce the handle count also), but it would be difficult.

andy

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 20:33:08 EDT
From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Sys 6 prob: Disk Witch Arrow Keys

I hope this hasn't been discussed already -- I've been reading/watching for as
to not repost a suspected "problem," but may have missed it.  If so, sorry...
However, I don't think it has been discussed...

With System 6 loaded, if I use the DiskWitch CDA, I have no keyboard control
what-so-ever -- the mouse controls things fine (although it seems incredibly
"sped up"), but the keyboard (except for MAYBE ESCape) does nothing.  Once
I exit it (by using the mouse), then things return to normal...  Any ideas?

 - John Goggan...
   [NeXT-Mail fine at: jgoggan@opus.csv.cmich.edu]
   [or you can just use the reply of this post...]
From: phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: synthLAB problem
Date: 2 Apr 92 22:54:49 GMT

In article <9762@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, jnomina@bgsu.edu (Aqualung) writes:
> Having downloaded System 6, and loving every minute of it so far,
> I've only noticed one problem.  And I doubt that this is with the
> new system itself...
> 
> I simply cannot get synthLAB to launch.  I launch it from the finder
> and it loads a good ways, but then I get an off-gray (light) screen
>                              (or SOME strange colour ^)
> and my mouse pointer shows up and it freezes everything.  I have to
> turn off the GS, give it a few seconds to fully power down, and then
> fire it up again.
> 
> System Configuration:
> 
> Apple ][gs, ROM 01
> Quality Computers 40meg HDD w/ RamFast SCSI
> ZipGS 8/16
> Apple 3.5 drive activated (5.25 disabled)
> AE GSRam 1.5meg
> AE Datalink 2400 (internal)
> System 6 (EasyInstall)
> No Sound NDA's, Inits, CDevs (other than the sys6 Sound CDev)
> [Other stuff deleted]
 
	You don't have GSBug installed?  I found that that the interrupts
enabled by GSBug interfere with synthLAB, I have not checked much further
though.

-- 
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Monash University		Baloney baffles brains: Eric Frank Russell
From: unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (The Unknown Matt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Don't forget to install
Keywords: If this is a repeat posting, sorry.. don't think it got out earlier
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:11:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32169
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr1.121511.7023@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(William Shakespeare) writes:
>Apple Bowl is great.  Brings back memories.  Would Greg Branche consider
>redoing some of the other integeger basic classics?  Like, say, Dungeon
>Campaign or Wilderness Campaign?  I wonder who owns the copyrights?

        You could do it yourself if you could get the source & the rights
to distribute a new version...  As the info file describes, the Integer
BASIC compiler from Byteworks was used to do Apple Bowl.

        [But do we really need new versions of _old_ software? NEW software
is a much better beast to have.. especially games or productivity software]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ba06025@bingsuns (ba06025)
Subject: Re: VIEWING GIF ON IIgs
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:39:07 GMT


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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AudioZap 1.2 still won't record
Keywords: ha-ha-how,shredder,krang,rocksteady,bebop
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:06:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <12051@tamsun.tamu.edu> j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez) writes:
>
>   i just recently got the latest version (1.2) and now i can record
>from my MDIdeas Supersonic Digitizer with no problems.   the oscilloscope
>function works, but the monitor output doesn't do much (something 
>appears on my receiver's spectrum anaylzyer - a very low signal at around 1kHz).

Ditto here.  I set the slot to "your card" and it worked, but "monitor
input" still doesn't.

>contrary to ian, i can digitize and play back with the zip enabled.

Interesting.  I'll have to try that too.

>   but, why isn't the playback rate automatically set to what you just
>recorded?  i can record something, then have to fiddle with the rate for
>the recording to sound right.  and why can't i sample past about 23kHz?
>is this a Supersonic, Esoniq, or audiozap limitation (the play slider goes
>to about 41 kHz - which would ideal when sampling from CD's)?

I thought there was something funny.  The stuff I recorded sounded like it was
off slightly; that would explain it.

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From: dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 *still* isn't in Seattle
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:00:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-iisy.d981228
Organization: ProLine [pro-iisysops]

dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
>
>  I did finally find ONE dealer in Houston (more or less. Say, within 100 miles)
>who'd actually HEARD of GSOS 6.0. (I mean, they had one salesdroid who had)
>
>  He told me that Apple had not shipped 6.0 yet, and that they were still 
>printing the boxes and manuals. No known availability date.
>
>   Gee. I guess Apple's press release lied.

Actually he's correct. The disks are available, but the System 6.0 package
with docs, etc., is not (yet).

If anyone out there is still looking for System 6 (or just ProDOS 2.0.1), you
can download it (legally) from my BBS.  Just call 1-410-549-2584 and login as
"Guest". Call at any speed, up to 14,400. It's free, except the cost of the
phone call.


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From: j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS+ magazine subscriptions (where do I get one?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:54:32 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


  GS+ subscriptions can be ordered by calling:
			1-800-662-3634
			1-yr sub (mag + disk) = $36
			1-yr sub (mag) = $15

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j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu			|                   farmers anymore!
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Piraccy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:53:34 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

In article <01050133.0tv0lq@caligula.cts.com>, edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> that goes on...), and about twenty that do. Now, I asked my friend what makes
> a "pirate" board worth calling, and he said, "ZModem, of course!"

Soooo, the obvious solution would be to give ZModem to non-pirate BBSs so they
no longer have the "edge".  Now, ask me why I gave up on running a BBS on an 
Apple II a long time ago.

 
> If you run a non-pirate Apple II BBS, regardless of the protocols it supports,
> then you are a novelty in the Apple II world, although all of the pirate ones

See my above statement.
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