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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: re: winterizing pmi 3
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:32:35 GMT



Question about the PMI-3.
Knowing that the PMi-3 doesn't perform well in colder climates, what are the
viable solution to overcome this problem?  A friend of mine is considering the
PMI-3 as his first gun and with fall and winter coming up, he wants to make
sure it won't let him down.  What are the practical solutions to get a PMI-3
to function in winter climates?  A siphon tank?  A separate set of winter spring
s and bolt?  
Any responses would be appreciative.

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       Get the Blackrain setup. Last winter the net had a long discussion
   about this and If I remember correctly popular opinion said it works
   great.

       you can get the setup from Air America , distributed by Master of the-
    Game. phone (708) 998-8277 ILLINOIS

       last year the cost was $170.00 for bottom line and $129.00 for 
    back bottle setup. 

    
      reference: June '92 issue of APG


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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: winter games
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:14:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep11.145756.18567@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>> 
>One solution to prevent the CA tank from freezing up is to wrap one of
>those chemical hand-warmer pads around it.  The pads don't get hot
>enough to worry about over-heating the CO2, but they warm the tank
>enough to offset the cold external temperature.
>
I tried the chemical hand warmers last season and think they are useless for
keeping hands warm much less a CA tank.  The ones I used even had an endors-
ment from a Women's expedition to the Anartica.  The team would rely solely
on the heat pads for warmth and every time the public buys one, part of the
proceeds goes to their support.  I feel sorry for the team and think they're
going to freeze to death relying on these pads.  In 20-30 degree weather, a
noticeable breeze or opening a pocket seems to drain away all the heat.
Charcoal stick hand warmers put out a more stable and warmer source of heat
which doesn't blow away at the first mild breeze.  That's something to look
into, I didn't have time to experiment with it further last year.
Electric socks sounds good in theory but the heating elements are very small
and weak.
BTW for the heat pads, I used two applied to the CA tank with a tube sock
covering the whole affair.
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:32:10 -0400 
From: Ravi Kumar Chopra <rc0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Black Balls
	<Sep.13.19.53.59.1992.12739@remus.rutgers.edu>

I tried a case of Cal Mag Black Beauties once, and more recently a
friend of mine tried a case of black premium Sherer Semi Auto paint. 
Both of these had bright tracer shots mixed in, and both were absolutely
impossible to track anyhow.  It's even worse if you're in shadow or it's
overcast... the balls come out of your gun and vanish.  I'd never use
them again.

-Ravi
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Guns
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:54:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep11.125707.13450@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...) writes:
>
>QUIETER!??!?  You must be kidding...  The Pro/Am is one of the loudest guns
>I have heard...  When I compare my Pro/Am to my Special, geeeeeeawd.... big

With the stock 9-inch barrel, the 68-special has the louder report.  Not by
much but its noticable.  Of course, with a Smart Parts barrel or a
silencer ^_^ any gun is quieter.

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From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Guns
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep9.193810.5005@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>we played the Black Diamonds a year ago)  I still think theres nothing
>like 'hoggin' with a .68 special.  Should I buy another specail or
>can anybody reccomend anything else to me?  Thanks in advance...

   There are plenty of guns around these days which are more modern
   and better than the .68 Special.  Around here the Illustrator is
   the most widely used by far.  It is light, reliable, and accurate.
   Also popular here are the Bud Orr Autococker and the Automag. Both
   of them are probably somewhat better than the Illustrator when
   they work, but I hear (and see!) that they are more finicky than
   the F-1.  I like a paintgun that works each and every time. Tippman
   has a reputation for great service, but I don't want to have to
   be sending my paintgun back to the factory in the first place.

   A usually reliable source tells me that Feral Action Sports is
   coming out with the Illustrator 2 in a few weeks.  He wouldn't
   give details but says it has a number of improvements.

   -Bill Carter


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From: bulls@cwis.unomaha.edu (Richie J. Anderson)
Subject: Intrested
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:04:07 GMT

	I am intrested in this sport and would like information to get 
involved.  you can EMail me at bulls.
                        Rich in Nebraska
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:00:58 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep8.012211.6540@cs.rose-hulman.edu> trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>
>Hey, I just received a catalog from a dealer in the area that sells paint  
>accessories as well as smoke grenades, etc.  My question is, how often  
>does one need/want to use a smoke grenade on the field?  It seems like a  
>lot of fun, but what practical purpose does it serve?
>
   I've seen smoke grenades used a couple of times but with little useful
   effect.  People seem to throw them mainly when they are in trouble
   and want to cover a retreat.  The smoke doesn't neccessarily go
   where you want it to, of course, and it can easily be a hindrance to
   both sides.  I've heard they can start fires, but maybe that's only
   some kinds of smokers.

   I think paint grenades are fairly useless as well.  If you are close
   enough to throw one at some guys you might as well use your paintgun
   to mark them.  The radius of elimination is very small when you
   use them in underbrush.  I could see using them to route out people
   defending a fortified position, maybe, but you usually have to be able
   to throw with great accuracy.  Anybody have a story about using
   smoke or paint grenades?

   -Bill Carter
From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Looking for players/fields in AL/GA region.
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:02:15 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group

In article <1992Aug25.161720.3256@ducvax.auburn.edu> wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
> We will probably send a group to the next (Oct?) 24 hour game in Ocala, FL. 
>If you are going or are interested, let me know.  We usally have one of the
>larger groups to attend and will accommodate more (strength in numbers).  

Well, Ill be there and a few others from Gainesville since we live less than
an hour from the field.  Ah.. nice soft bed on Friday Nite :)  What amazes
me is that there a so few people that play the sport here in "Northern"
Florida.  We are trying to get a team going here locally, but if we
can't swing it there is a team about 40 mins to the north "Lake City"
that I have been invited to join.  I talked to Mark Blood 2 weekends ago
and said that there would be a group coming down from GA.  This will be
my first 24 hour game and would love to here more about it, maybe some 
sugestions on anything extra to bring.

Bjs



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From: bjs@surf.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Guns
Organization: We Dont Need No Stinking Organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 03:49:09 GMT

>>
>>Well, there's always the Pro/Am.  A tad smaller, quieter, and gets more gas
>>mileage that the Special. ^_^
>
>QUIETER!??!?  You must be kidding...  The Pro/Am is one of the loudest guns
>I have heard...  When I compare my Pro/Am to my Special, geeeeeeawd.... big
>difference... Granted, I have a Smart Parts barrel on my Special, but I still
>think that even with a stock barrel, a special has less of an edge on its
>report...

What ?  The .68 Special is the loudest gun out there, I just sold mine due
to the "full-auto" feature and high CO2 usage.  Given it is a work horse
and there are loads of options out there for it. But it is not a sniper
weapon.  I just ordered a AutoMag and that is a quiet gun. IMHO.

I would love to hear comments about the Armson rifled barrels.  Are they
worth the money?  Better than Spart Parts ?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: straighter flying paintballs
Organization: Headland Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:22:46 GMT

in an article (DAVID W. JONES) writes:
>and breaking. I also found with my gun that greater accuracy is achieved by
>chroning in at 270fps to 280fps.


   I've also noticed this affect of late.  It seems even more pronounced
when I use my rifled barrel.  Maybe the acceleration on the ball as
it is forced to spin is gentle enough at lower velocities to not break the
ball and the gyroscopic effect of the spin allows it to travel farther
in a straight line before it wanders.
     -Rich-

Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: PMI-3 winter question
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:34:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: PMI-3, winterized


Question about the PMI-3.
Knowing that the PMi-3 doesn't perform well in colder climates, what are the
viable solution to overcome this problem?  A friend of mine is considering the
PMI-3 as his first gun and with fall and winter coming up, he wants to make
sure it won't let him down.  What are the practical solutions to get a PMI-3
to function in winter climates?  A siphon tank?  A separate set of winter spring
s and bolt?  
Any responses would be appreciative.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: javirtan@vipunen.hut.fi (Jukka A Virtanen)
Subject: Re: A Discussion of Tactics
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:35:04 GMT

In <1992Sep10.232243.3055@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:

>Total Attack or total Defense.  I have NEVER had a succesful combination
>I personally opt for total attack.  If you've ever played the Ironmen
>you will agree....

Now that you said it...I've never really come to think of that, but I guess
you got a point there.

>Another thing I have noticed:  NEVER RUN.  This just might be me,
>but whenever I flee I get taken out.  Its best just to hole up and
>return fire anyway you can (that mystery gun sticking up from behind
>a stump :)

At this point I disagree, strongly. I always move a lot. If you keep yourself
in constant motion, the enemy can't get a proper aim on you and they might
even lose sight of you completely. Besides, the enemy can't concentrate on
other directions, if he keeps looking for you, and vice versa.
 
The other reason why I move is to find the perfect spot to shoot. I don't
think it's of any use ducking somewhere behind a rock and shooting dozens
of rounds hitting nobody. If I can't get any results from where I am, I'll
find another place.
 
To make it safe, I usually run in very large circles. Move back enough to
get safely to the spot you're going to.

After a game I'm usually incredibly exhausted of all the running, especially
in the winter when there's a lot of snow, but I think it's definately worth
it.

>Another item.. always keep the team together.  When we first started
>out we had a big problem of people chasing down 'rabbits' and getting
>taken out in the process.  I usually prefer to let people running go.
>You will catch up with them sooner or later.

Ditto.

>							W O L V E R I N E

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From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: Paintball players arrested
Keywords: police, legal, illegal
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 19:11:09 EDT

In article <1992Sep7.161122.24017@ifi.unizh.ch> blatter@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter) writes:
>
>>      The IPPA (Internatinal Paintball Players Assoc.) does try to
>>   provide some assistance in these matters.  
>>            Info on IPPA above from pg 52 of "Paint Check" mag Sept-91
>
>It's probably a FAQ but do you happen to know how people from overseas
>can get a member of the IPPA? (I assume that only members of the IPPA
>get assistance).

    Actually, very few members of the IPPA get assistance either...  Face it
people... The IPPA is a farce.  You send in your money, and a few months
later, you get a patch and an "official" rulebook, and basically after that,
squat...  Oh... you DO get the right to say that you are IPPA member #blah
in conversation with other members so that you can all comfort each other,
knowing that your money has vanished, and is doing very little to promote
paintball as a whole, rather than promoting the IPPA and its events..
To tell you the truth, I feel that it's better to save you money and get a
good lawyer for any paintball litigation you may run into...  Just my 
two cents....  Flame as you feel needed... or agree and know that you are
right....

 - Andre

ps... Is anyone on here going to the Vermont State Championship this weekend?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:27:41 -0400 
From: Ravi Kumar Chopra <rc0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions on paint types ???

There are dozens of types of paint, and the best one is the one which
works best in your gun.  I know this is a bit vague, but any experienced
paintballer will tell you the same thing.  The only way to find out is
to try em all.  I've had the most luck with premium RP Sherer in my LB
Piranha and my decked out PMI-3.  Sniper Autococker, Illustrator, and
other PMI-3 users here seem to agree.  Users of Tippman guns, on the
other hand, seem to prefer Nelson.  I would warn away from Zap paint,
though.  Mirage (a team which uses mostly Sniper Autocockers with SP
barrels) has been trying it out recently and found that it was so hard
that, while it didn't break in their barrels, it also didn't break on
their targets, occasionally even at point blank range.

-Ravi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: A Discussion of Tactics
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:11:28 GMT

I totally agree with the last post about knowing when to shoot.  So many
times I'll be next to a beginner who will start looooooong balling, totally
giving away our position.  My theory is:  If you don't have a better than
75% chance of a hit, don't bother.

Another thing... movement will just about give your position away every
time.  Even if you are in wide open terrain its still very hard to spot
at totally still person (this has been my experience playing in the woods
with full camo).  I can usually pick out an ambush before it happens because
I can see someoen craning their neck, looking this way and that for the enemy.
It draws attention very quick...

More to come :)

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From: trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Subject: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:22:11 GMT


Hey, I just received a catalog from a dealer in the area that sells paint  
accessories as well as smoke grenades, etc.  My question is, how often  
does one need/want to use a smoke grenade on the field?  It seems like a  
lot of fun, but what practical purpose does it serve?

Along the same lines, what other non-paint toys have you used on the field  
and how often?  I can think of interesting uses for household items, but  
not so practical.

Todd Trimble
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Black Balls
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:32:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep15.105824.2118@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>In article <76.2AB2C369@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney) writes:
>> Hello All!
>> Anyone out there using the black paintballs?  My partner bought a case but I haven't heard his thoughts on them yet.
>> 
>> My own are that it might be nice lobbing these little beauties because the opponent can't see where they are coming from if you have a quiet gun.
>> 
>> But can *you* see *them* going?
>
>A couple guys on my team have been messing around with them, you can see them
>going out pretty well, but not as well as the colored balls.  They seemed to
>work okay, nothing special. Kind of a nice novelty item.
>

Kinda like those "bumblebee" paintballs with the black/yellow shells. ^_^

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From: GLOCK@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joseph R. Granto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: A Discussion of Tactics
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:14:41 GMT
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida

In article <1992Sep11.070452.26923@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wljohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu (William "Wes" Johnson) writes:
> 
>3. Be mobile.  I ahve always stuck to being mobile, and predatory.


I agree on being mobile.  You have to know when to run.  When you have run 
up against someone with a semi-auto and are pinned down, you don't stand a 
great chance of hiding for long.  However, running brings death also.

I have found that running is better than going toe to toe.






Joe

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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Marker for sale
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:27:28 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello All!

Brand-New TIPPMAN ProAM - Only used twice!
    - Extra Capacity feeder ($25 value)
    - Storage case/toolset
    - manual

Only $300 or best offer!

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From: syskdg@bigbrd.agchem.redwater.iol.ca (Ken Gehring)
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Organization: Imperial Oil Limited
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 14:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.163058.25880@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>
>To keep ones glasses from fogging up, use a no-fog solution like Rain-x's
>No-Fog ON THE GLASSES.  It works best if you increase the air circulation
>and reduce the sweat coming into the goggles by putting a paper towel or
>sweatband between your forehead and the goggles.  Doing both of these
>steps pretty much keeps me fog=free.

Being on of those people that hates to spend money I would like to suggest
that you try 1 drop of a dish washing detergent (such as Joy) as an
anti-fog agent. I've used this many times in the past while SCUBA diving
and find that it works very well (and it's cheap). I think it even works
better than spit. I am new to the game/sport of paintball and I intend
to try it the next time out. 

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