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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:09:41 EDT
From:         HGOLDSTE@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      net etiquette
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

perhaps it is not realized that when one ANSWERS a message from the
list it goes out to the whole list and not the sender ... one must
send mail directly to the sender if that is the intent ... as much as
i love reading about strange and far away places, it is a problem
to go through 15 or more daily messages that are mostly in response
to an individual query and so should be directed to that person.

if others have an interest in the responses they can query the person
to forward them ... in the long run this is easier than sifting
through all this mail ... ??????????????????????????

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:46:46 -0500
From:         "Karen F. McBrayer" <kfm@CHE.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Museums in Rome
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>Does anyone know anything about the new museum in Rome that has all the
>heads and arms from the statues at the other museums???

Thanks for the laugh, Roger!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:58:36 CDT
From:         AA741CN <AA741CN@TCUAMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Paris
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

   Excuse me if I offend anyone by the following suggestion for
a neat tour in Paris. It was suggested to me by American Express
so I figured they must know what they"re talking about!!

   A couple of years ago I was in Paris and asked for an idea
for a tour that was off the beaten track. I was told to report
to a street corner near the Tuilleries (sp??) which is not too
far from the Louvre. It was a weekly tour underground of the
Sewers of Paris.

   Before you think I'm just kidding, I'm not. It was really
unusual and memorable. If you have seen the typical sights,
try this one...there are very interesting historical stories
told during this tour having to do with events, famous people
etc....

John
TCU   Ft. Worth, TX
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:54:00 EST
From:         Johannah English <JENGLISH@GMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Disneyworld
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Elaine-

When I went, I stayed at the Polynesian Resort on the grounds of the
Disney resort.  I loved it!  I was on the ground floor and our hotel room had
a sliding glass door that opened onto a tropical looking area that had
two swimming pools.  Very relaxing.  There is also a facility to rent
speed boats which was a blast!  All the places to stay on the grounds them-
selves are well worth it.  Unless you are really under a tough $ constraint,
I would recommend staying there.  It makes access to all the Disney parks
much easier as you are walking distance from the monorail.  I think if you
check around, they have been advertising rooms starting at $80/night.

Johannah
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:40:07 CDT
From:         Carolyn <ISTS001@UABDPO>
Subject:      Re: Museums in Rome
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

On Wed, 26 Aug 92 09:59:09 MST Roger said:
>Does anyone know anything about the new museum in Rome that has all the
>heads and arms from the statues at the other museums???

  You've got to be kidding.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:57:05 EDT
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From:         Doreen Rappaport <IRMSS931@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Disneyworld Fla.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

From:  Doreen Rappaport
There is a great book which I would highly recommend taking with you.  It is
called something like "The UnOfficial Guide to Walt Disney".  It tells you
all about times to go, how to avoid standing in lines, recommended rides &
sights.  We used it and found it wonderful!  It saved us so much frustration
by being able to avoid long lines.
In terms of places to stay, there are hundreds.  If you are looking for cheaper
places then the resorts, try the town of Kissimee.  It is about 20-30 minutes
away from Disney, I think.

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       Smithsonian Institution      Phone: (202)786-2142
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Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 21:00:39 EDT
From: Shinjinee Sen <SSEN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Washington DC

As a DC resident, there aren't that many places open for sightseeing
after 5. You can always look around the Mall where the monuments are;
unfortunately the zoo will be closing earlier as of September. However
there are usually concerts (free) on the Mall etc. I suggest checking the
CITY PAPER in DC, which is free and available at most major metro stations
Thursday nights. It gives you a listing of events for that week.

Shinjinee Sen
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:41:09 EDT
From:         "Henry,Otto,W" <MUHENRY@ECUVM1>
Subject:      Re: Museums in Rome
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
              27 Aug 92 16:26:07 GMT from <citrin@BOULDER.COLORADO.EDU>

In Re: strange exhibits: I remember Harvard University Museum Cambridge Mass.
used to have the head of a proboscis monkey in a jar of formaldahyde, also I th
ink I saw the complete nervious system of a human being - a maid that willed he
r body to the medical school after death- painstakingly extracted from the body
 and layed out on a board, including the eyes! Also the dessicated body of a
3000 year-old indian found in a cave in Mexico. Well, that's enuf grosseries fo
r now!
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:33:57 TUR
From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      travel in southeast asia
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


Any one have any ideas, contacts, suggestions or information for travwel in
Southeast Asia. I will be on the road for a year, including India, parts
of AFrica, esp Keny a and Ethiopia. Marilyn
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:32:44 GMT
From:         James A Schaefer <JAS@RICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Driving across Northern U.S.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Besides the major sights that have mentioned (including House on the Rock),
I recall from a similar trip many years ago several industrial tours.  One
was through a Weyerhauser lumber plant and the second through a Scott paper
mill where toilet paper was made!  Both were very interesting and were
somewhere between Seattle and Portland.  Check a AAA guide under
Industrial Tours in the index at the back to see what is still available.

These type of adventures can be exciting for adults and children as well.
Just check ahead if there are age restrictions.  My son and I missed a
tour of the turbine/generator section of the Niagra Falls power project
because he was a few years too young.  There could be a similar
restriction in a lumber mill.

I envision a similar trip in  a few years but must convince my wife that
several weeks (4+) in a minivan with 2 kids, 10 & 12, is a reasonable cost
for us all to see the U.S. again or for the first time.

Best of luck.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:59:58 TUR
From:         "Mary Fry, Acquisitions Librarian" <MFRY@BROOK.BITNET>
Subject:      Travel Advisories List
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

For all of you who are interested here is the information about the
Travel-Advisories List.


CC:
Subj:   NEW LIST: Travel-Advisories from the US State Department

travel-advisories@stolaf.edu    - US State Department Travel Advisories

   This list distributes US State Department Travel Advisories.
   Distributions will begin April 6th.

   Please send requests for subscription/removal to
        travel-advisories-request@stolaf.edu

   This list is also archived - the form of the archive is yet to be
   determined, but you can start by looking (via anonymous FTP) in
        ftp.stolaf.edu:/pub/travel-advisories/archive
   and  ftp.stolaf.edu:/pub/travel-advisories/advisories

   The latter contains the most recent advisory for a particular
   country.

   The most recent Travel Advisories for each country are also available
   from St.  Olaf's "gopher" server:
      gopher.stolaf.edu:/gopher/Databases/US-State-Department-Travel-Advisories
   Craig D. Rice  <cdr@stolaf.edu>



Mary Fry
The Brookings Institution Library
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:21:26 EDT
From:         HKAPLAN@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Camp stoves
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

In order to cut down on unnecessary volume, would it be possible for:
1. Messages that don't have general interest to be sent directly to ind-
ividuals and not the list, and
2. Not including the entire or most of the message being replied to if
you're sending it to the list?
                                        Thanks,
                                                Howard
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:42:00 EDT
From:         "LINDA M. FERMO" <FERMO@DAEMON.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      Good time vacation
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Hi Fellow Travelers,

My cousin and I are in search of a four day vaction with the priority of
Fun in the Sun. We are planning going at the end of November.

I don't want to spent too much time traveling there and back, we are leaving
from the NY area.

The requirements are:

Sun
Beautiful Beach
Dancing/Night Life

We have been to Cancun and are in search of a repeat of that atmosphere.

Any and all suggestions welcome.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:15:13 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Good time vacation
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

>From: "LINDA M. FERMO" <FERMO@DAEMON.RUTGERS.EDU>
>Subject: Good time vacation
>My cousin and I are in search of a four day vaction with the priority of
>Fun in the Sun. We are planning going at the end of November.
>I don't want to spent too much time traveling there and back, we are leaving
>from the NY area.
>The requirements are:
>
>Sun
>Beautiful Beach
>Dancing/Night Life
>
>We have been to Cancun and are in search of a repeat of that atmosphere.

Linda, I may have posted this earlier, but I would strongly suggest Ixtapa,
Mexico.  I have been to Mazatlan, P.V., Lake Chapalla, etc., but have gotten
into the habit of just going back to Ixtapa.

You MUST stay at the Camino Real, which is built like one side of a pyramid
and runs down the side of a cliff to a private beach.  All rooms are divided
into three parts:  a bedroom and bath, a covered patio, and a sun porch.
Full service bar and food are available on the beach, and the main dining
room is "open air".

Ixtapa is next to the old town of Zhijuantinejo (sp?) where you can spend
hours shopping, and eating at some great local places.  Speaking of
good eating spots, ask at the Camino for directions to walk two blocks to
the top of the hill for the best scenic sunset dinner in the area.

Believe me, you will wish you had planned for more than 4 days.  I wish
I could figure out how to make a living down there.

                                             ----roger

P.S.  Don't forget to post to the list and let us know where you decide
to go!
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:11:36 TUR
From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      more on travel advisories
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


SAme problem. Can't seem to get them to recognize my request.
I don't think I am addressing this quite right from my VAX  system.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:06:15 TUR
From:         "A.Gianolio - PYS" <AGIANOLI@ESTEC>
Subject:      Museums in Rome
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


 *** Reply to note of 92-08-26 19:05

 Don't know about this one, but I can tell you about the other one that has all
 the bodies (without heads and arms).

 Alberto...

 End of Message
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:59:00 EDT
From:         Doug Cutler <UNCDWC@UNCVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Southern Spain.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


  We are planning a trip to Spain next March, as we will fly into Madrid
we will spend a couple or so nights there and maybe some time in Toledo,
however our primary interest is in Seville, Cordoba, Granada.
  Any usefull information on places to stay, things to do would be very
welcome. We have guide books and maps "comming out of our ears", translate
to "all over the living room floor" so we have info on the "major" sights.
I am interested in Spanish organs and so far haven't found any useful stuff
in that area and we will be travelling with an eight year old so we will
need items/sights especially for children.
  Because of limited finances (who doesn't) we are hoping to stay at small
Pensione, e.g. the Goya in Seville if we can but may just "splurge" for the
Parador in Granada.  We haven't even tentative planes for the other places
yet so suggestions are welcome.
  Thanks .......


  Doug. Cutler                       Office of Information Technology,
  VM Systems Programmer              University of North Carolina.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:01:54 EDT
From:         XTL00015@DUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Connecticut
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:53:50 GMT
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From:         "Donna Foley (813) 974-4034 S/C 574-4034" <DBEABAK@CFRVM>
Subject:      Andrew & Willi
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


Jaroslaw mentioned Willi from Vienna not being warned about hurricanes.

In a personal post to him I did mention we were in hurricane season still.
I also gave him my address and phone number in case he needed further
advice or assistance while he was here.  I have not heard anything from him.

A note about Miami and tourist concerns.  The Miami Metrozoo suffered
extensive damage and is shipping their animals to other zoos, while
they rebuild.  News reports said it would probably six months before they
reopen.  The zoo lost many of their exotic birds.

The Florida Keys

The upper Keys received some damage, especially one particular resort
on Key Largo.  The Keys below Key Largo had minimal property damage, but
did lose electricity and phone service.

Donna Foley
Tampa, Florida
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 09:24:14 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      net etiquette
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

In response to recent postings by Harold and Howard:

NO, I don't have a problem with the current TRAVEL-L postings.  I do sometimes
find numerous items that are of no interest to me personally, but I would
rather have that than too few postings.

What irks me is someone asking for information about a trip that I too might
be interested in, and then have all the replys go private.  Even more
frustrating is when the writer of the original request never
informs the list of their final decision, and the experiences of
that trip.

As for using the net at work, I read postings during lunch hour, before and
after work, and on breaks.  Also catch up on postings from home over the
weekend.

Compared to some of the other conferences I've been associated with, this
one does not have much traffic.  But, it is tough to strike a balance
that pleases everyone in all situations.
                                              ---roger
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From: THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
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Subject: Driving across Northern U.S.
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:55:00 GMT
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Well, though I repeat myself, I have to point out that your route
will take you RIGHT BY the magnificent House on the Rock near
Spring Green, Wisconsin; it's expensive but a must-see.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:59:00 EST
From:         HENZLEEF@SNYBUFVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Driving through Britain
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Be sure to include Cornwall, Lands End, etc. in your trip - Devon,
Cornwall is a lovely part of England and should not be missed!

Elaine.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 04:26:20 TUR
From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      travel-advisories list
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Someone mentioned a travel advisories list. I tried to subscribe through
bitnet but got a return saying they have no such list. Anyone know
how to address whom to subscribe .
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:18:08 TUR
From:         GODWIN@FRMNVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Good time vacation
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Since you're flying out of NY, how about Bermuda? Or any of the Club Meds
in the Caribbean? I've been to the Club Med in Martinique and it was
wonderful. I hesitate to suggest Miami Beach because I don't know how
badly it was hit by Hurricane Andrew.

Rose Mary Godwin     Furman University     GODWIN@FRMNVAX1
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Subject:      getting to travel-aadvisories ftp
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I have asked stolaf.edu for travel-advisories directory
for    archives etc, but they won't recognize the request.
Any suggestions. What is the propert format?
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 12:38:09 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Driving across Northern U.S.
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              28 Aug 92 20:15:54 EDT from <U4400@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>

Crater Lake is very beautiful.   There is a landscape in eastern Washington
or Oregon or both that is supposed to have been created in about a week when
a huge lake that constituted large parts of Idaho (and Montana?) and was
retained behind a natural earth dam was released when the dam broke.  It
is supposed to be very dramatic country, even more so if you know the story.
Does anyone know a reference to this?????
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:49:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Scottish National Mod
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Joel asked about the National Mod in Scotland:  the Mod (= Meet) is being
held this year October 9-16 in Oban, which is an attractive seaport
and tourist mecca on the Firth of Lorn in western Argyll, a little over
two hours by car from Glasgow, three from Edinburgh.  The Mod is
basically a celebration of Scottish Gaelic arts and culture -- music,
poetry, drama performance and competition.  It is held every fall in
different parts of the country, usually in the Highlands and Islands.

Jim Thompson
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From:         MOOLEN@RCL.WAU.NL
Subject:      Re: Spain and Morocco
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> One thing I would like to do is to attend a bullfight.  Does anyone know
> if it is "bullfight season"?  If I were planning one event that is just
>  unforgettable - what would that be (in either Spain or Morocco)?
> Pam Breazeale
> pzd@ornl.gov
> pzd@ORNLSTC

It is never bullfight season! Bulls are NOT for fighting neither to be
fought with.
The bullfights should be abandoned since they are hopelessly outdated.
The public opinion should be against bullfighting since it is nothing
but a mediaeval atrocity for simple minds!

Folklore? for tourists?? Don't make me laugh.
That is real bull s... man!

Go and find the real interesting places in Spain.
Have a nice trip.

Gerard van der Moolen
Wageningen / Netherlands
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