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From: ali@pyra.co.uk (Ali Shirnia)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna: Love him or hate him?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:01:09 GMT
Reply-To: ali@pyra.co.uk (Ali Shirnia)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd, Farnborough, ENGLAND



johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes :

> ........................ 
> Personally I would like to see Ayrton Senna teamed up with Nigel Mansell or
> Michael Schumacher.  That would really let him show how much of his success
> is driver talent and how much is due to the equipment. I don't expect it
> will happen (although I don't think that a Mansell/Senna pairing is quite as
> unlikely as it would have been two or three years ago), but I can dream . .


I do not think it matters. He has had Prost as his team-mate and he has
blown him away. With far inferior equipment he has blown Mansell. Schumacher
is probably the only guy who is going to give him a run for his money, in a 
couple of years, if not earlier.

As for his attitude, it might stink, but that is not what I watch. I watch
one of the greatest drivers of our time and I enjoy it. Just like when
Villenuve was around. There are a whole lot of athletes and sports people
out there that have a bad attitude but great to watch.

As for Mansell, he has blown 3 championships in the past. If he does not
win with a car that gives him 2-3 seconds a lap advantage over the others
he deserves a kicking. He had a car with 1 sec a lap advantage for most of last
year and ZIP.


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From: darshan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Darshan V. Bhatia)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: BRAZIL QUALIFYING TIMES???
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:11:45 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: darshan@coos.dartmouth.edu


Can someone PLEASE post the final qualifying positions (and times perhaps)
if they have any access to this info.

thanks,

-darshan
From: newman_r@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Stock Car Roots, was: Re: International Race of Champions American Bias
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:05:33 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America


In article <1992Mar30.15239.21237@ms.uky.edu>, uk09365@nx04.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten) writes:
> In article <1992Mar27.141503.26451@demon.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk  
> (Leo Smith) writes:
>> ... robert I kesten seems to be highlighting the difference between
>> the USA/Canada and the European/Japanese arenas in terms of motor
>> sport.
>> 
>> I think that this reflects something cultural, as well as something
>> to do with the automobile industries as well...
>> 
>>         USA is a large new country, with wide roads and large
>>         distances and a fairly low population density. USA cars are
>>         large, and designed to go in straight lines, because there
>>         aren't that many corners.

[]

> Legend has it that stock car  
> racing is rooted in back woods boys running moonshine and outrunning the  
> "revenuers" in overpowered cars on nasty back roads.  I even asked a track  
> promoter about this and he said that the viewing offered to the spectators  
> and the examples of horse tracks which the early post-WWII promoters had  
> to work from are some of the reasons why ovals dominate today.  

Well, I'm no expert on the history of stock car racing, but I lived in 
North Carolina for 16 years, so that makes me sort of an expert by 
association ;-).

What Robert says about moonshiners, and nasty back roads, is pretty much
true, I think.  The part of N.C. that I used to lived in was right next 
to Wilkes county (where they're racing next week-end).  The roads there,
and throughout the Appalachian Mtns. are narrow, windy, and rough.  And
there are many miles that are unpaved.

What I don't think Leo, or many Americans, appreciate, is that the 'shiners
were driving machines designed for "large new country, with wide roads and 
large distances and a fairly low population density."  If European cars
and technology had been available to the 'shiners, it probably would have
served their needs better.

Stock car racing is a hybrid, of sorts, that evolved from trying to get
the most from over-powered, large, heavy cars with soft suspensions, on 
roads that better suited to something else.

What's this got to do with arenas/race courses?  Well, the only reason
that I can imagine that stock car races would be held on ovals, is that 
it was the only way drivers could race legally, owners could watch to be
sure things didn't get to "dirty," and spectators could see all the action.

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From: unglenie@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Mario, Mario, ..... Danny, Danny .....
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:13:35 GMT

In article <14APR199220495510@zeus.tamu.edu> pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes:
>Howdy!
>	A lot of hollerin' about Mario's poke on Cheever.  What <from a
>guy who forgot to SUBTRACT an hour from EDT - rats!> was the big
>difference between what Mario did and what Danny did to Al Unser?
>	Inquiring minds want to know ....
>
>Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*

Do you mean besides the fact that Unser was turning into a corner
and Cheever was going straight ahead?  

Do you mean besides the fact that Sullivan and Unser were travelling
at about the same speed and Mario was doing some sort of power dive?

Do you mean besides the fact that the Cheever-Mario incident happened
at the start of the event and the Sullivan-Unser incident happened
at the end?

Rob U, mystified by some Marioesque techniques sometimes
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From: gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Cale Yarborough's Team (of drivers) 
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:33:36 GMT

In article <tlm1.703357009@Ra.MsState.Edu> tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes:
>I am really starting to wonder about Cale.  Lake Speed was a good driver.
>Dick Trickle was a good driver, ( He now has three 5th place finishes, and 
>one 7th place finish this year in 7 races, and is 9th? in Championship Points.)
>
>Also, about Chad Little...I believe he is a very promising driver who
>simply needs to get some experience to become a top driver.  Cale dumps him
>after 6 races?  Come on!  I figure it takes at least one year before a team
>really get to know a driver.  Anyway...
>
>Bobby Hillin was suppose to drive two races for Cale (N Wilkesboro & 
>Martinsville).  Well, now Bobby Hillin is gone.  Guess who the newest
>driver is...Jimmy Hensley.  Glad to hear he got a ride, sad that its with
>Cale.  Jimmy said in an interview on MRN's NASCAR Today "I'll be going after
>the Winston Cup rookie-of-the-year with Cale."  
>
>All I can say is, Don't count on it, Jimmy.
>
>Anybody know what the problem is?  Is Cale or others on the team hard to
>get along with.  Do they just like to run a driver of the week constest?
>

As someone recently said, I think Cale should get back in the car, since
he can't find anyone else to please him.    I have about decided that Chad's
leaving was the best thing he (Chad) could have done for himself...

Guess I'll have to break out the ol' Tyson T-shirt again!

Cheers,
Bruce

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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Real Racers (tm)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:29:28 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd


Apropos the discussion of what a racer is or is not,
I just bought the March '92 Car magazine (post is slow
out here in the colonies) and Nigel Roebuck, a man who
has been watching GPs for many more years than me, said
this in his column (which is about GP racing)

	'Mansell is the best racer in the business, bar none,
	but still makes costly mistakes, admitted or not.'

Which I have no quarrel with. Admittedly he also says
 
	
	'Without question, Senna is the fastest driver on
	this earth...'

with which I don't agree entirely. Still, there you have it
in black and white. For what it is worth.


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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna-sux (c)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Anyone figure out what happenned to Senna in Brazil.  The arrogant jerk
refused an interview I guess.  Nobody seemed to say what was the problem.
He appeared to be going backwards for awhile before quitting.  Was he using
the Integra or the new car?
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From: jprlarib@cs.ruu.nl (Jan Peter Laribij)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Eurosport's Mystery Voice
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:04:32 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Apr9.122141.3418@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley writes:

>Had a look at the Brazilian GP tape again last night, to try to
>find out who John Watson's cohort is - couldn't quite get the
>name, but it sounds like Allard Kalp ? Alec Kalf?
>
>This ring a bell with anyone?

Yes, Allard Kalff, Dutch, race driver & commentator. He has driven
almost anything upto British F3 and drives currently in the Dutch
touring car championship.

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From: naren@fang.att.com (Narendra Chauhan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Racing Mags opinions
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:23:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL

From article <johnl.225v@amiganet.chi.il.us>, by johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey):
> Ok.. I allready subscribe to On Track, IndyCar Racing, and Autoweek.. but  am curious on some other media I've never looked at. Lemme know what you think of these in email or whatever. (If I'm spending approx $100/yr on magazines, I sure want to have the most for the money!)
> 
> Racer magazine - the new one... I missed ordering the first issue, so if anyone gets it, give us a review!
> 
> Speed Sport News - worth getting? how much?
> 
> Also wondering about the Speedway subscriptions to the 2 Indianapolis newspapers for the month of May.
> 
> Mainly into IndyCar and support series.

  If you interested in F1, then Eric Waiter Associates has some
  that might interest you.  I subscribe to Checkered Flag, a successor
  to Prix Editions that folded last year.  It is very good - at least
  the first issue.  I am still waiting for the April issue. 
  Subscription rates are $59.00 (2nd class in USA) per year.

  EWA also has 3 others that you may like: Autosport (weekly),
  Formula (10/yr)
  and Motorsport (12/yr).  I believe these are all from the UK.
  Sub rates are: Autosport - $134/yr, Formula - $35/yr and
  Motorsport - $35/yr.  EWA phone # is 800-272-2670

  While I was in the UK last Christmas, I came across one called
  Fast Lane.  I bought the annual review.  It is excellent. A
  friend of mine agreed to subscribe to it if I subscribed to
  Checkered Flag.  I will post details about the sub rates as 
  soon as I have my copy back.

> 
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From: scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan-Yamaha
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:46:23 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <1992Apr13.095906.19015@maths.tcd.ie>, madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know what happened about Ford sueing Jordan? Last I heard
> all sides were at an impasse.
> 
 What?! You're kidding! The law suit was the other way around, surely?


 . Basically, Jordan found themselves on the
>>receiving end of Benneton hand-me-downs (Benneton were supposedly powered by
>>identical spec. FordV8s) with Ford quite happy to play ostrich.
> 
> No Benneton always had a higher spec than Jordan, that is why he signed the
> Yamaha deal, because Walkinshaw wouldn't let them have the top spec
> motors for this season.
> 
I think I may be right in saying that both teams started the season with
identical spec. FordV8s but when Ford brought out the newer version it went
exclusively to Benneton (the hand of Walkinshaw no doubt) much to Eddie Jordans
chagrin as he now had to rely on Bennetons old cast-offs


> . That display 
>>of immaturity on Schummackers part did not nothing to deflect the POACH of the
>>season by Tom Walkinshaw for Benneton.
> 
> Haha we'll see what Merc-Sauber have to say about that.
> 
Mercedes-Sauber could have said a lot about it at the time. For instance they
might have explained how they willingly let one of their top drivers swan off
and join a team run by one of their great rivals (remember, Walkinshaw had been
managing the Jaguar World Sports Cars Series team) while he was still
contracted to them, also why they saw fit to provide the Ford organisation with
such an obvious advantage (also remember that Mercedes were making very little
secret of their desire to reenter Formula One).
Indeed, I can still remember an exasperated Eddie Jordan during a TV interview
asking rhetorically whether F1 respected contracts any more.

I intended to mention in my initial piece that the Jordan teams manager during
that first year, Bosco Quinn, was tragically killed in a motorway accident in
Britain some months ago. He had been Eddies right-hand man since the very
beginning. RIP.


> Good to see a fellow Trinity man in this group!
> 
> 
> Mark

Gee Mark, us Trinners bods are everywhere. On the day I post my first ever item
in NEWS I get a FOLLOWUP from somebody only a few yards from my perch above in 
Genetics and then I notice a poster from the EngSoc advertising a three-day trip
to the Silverstone GP for 35 quid, all incl. (!). We *are* a fine University
after all!!


Keep motoring,
Serge.
From: jukka@jyu.fi (Jukka Hartikainen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 top 10 in 1982 (yes, ten years ago!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

F1 in 1982 (yes, ten years ago!)

Keke Rosberg, Williams-Honda, Fin was World Championship, but...
Who then? Could somebody please tell the top 10 in 1982.
Thanks.
---Jukka
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: GOBS Pick6 disaster, recovery in work
Summary: Tom Hahl taking over
Keywords: GOBS Pick6
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:21:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: lambda.1992Apr14.212158.11802
Organization: NASA/MSFC


Well, folks, here's the bad news.  I just had a chat with our sysadmin
a little while ago, and as a result of an apparent bug in SGI's dump/
restore utilities, all of my files on freedom are irretrievably lost.
This means that all traces of the Pick6 system I had are gone, including
all records and the 2500 or so lines of C code that I had written.  I
don't even have any listings.

So... I working with Tom Hahl to turn over administration of the
GOBs Pick6 to him, since I do not have the time or energy to recover
from this disaster.  (The work-related stuff that I lost is bad
enough.)  The Darlington picks unfortunately are gone, but I have
the North Wilkesboro picks tucked away on lambda, and will be forwarding
these to Tom shortly.  He is working on a processing program, which
he can do a lot faster than I can, using his company's products to
build the necessary utilities.

In the meantime, I ask that participants in the Pick6 not send any
more picks to me.  Picks that I receive will be forwarded to Tom,
but he will shortly be posting instructions on how to re-enter and
where to send picks.

I'm really sorry about this.  I had thought that this machine would
be more reliable than this; it had had a pretty good performance
record previously.  But...

[EDITORIAL OPINION: Silicon Graphics needs to start putting a little
more money into its software development, which to my mind is not up
to the quality or performance of its superb hardware.  END OPINION]

Anyway, I regret that I am no longer in a position to continue the
Pick6.  I have really enjoyed it, but due to work and school committments
I don't have time now to reconstruct everything from memory.  You
will be hearing from Tom shortly on r.a.s with further instructions.
Thanks to everyone who particpated, and I'm sorry I couldn't see it
through.

Dave
From: stan@dixie.com (Stan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1:Magic fuels and more...
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:49:55 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger) writes:

>The fact that these companies remained in Formula One even when teams
>were required to run standardized fuel kinda makes this seem a little
>doubtful. Remeber, fuel standardization does not mean that all fuel is
>made by the same company. If you choose something like aviation gas
>then teams just run the commercial product make by whoever is
>sponsoring them. Don't indy cars still run methanol? Aren't mobil and
>texaco major indycar sponsors?

	Mobil is touting their symthetic oil. I don't know for sure what
	Texaco is also probably pushing thir lubricating products.
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From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Bristol: Any comments? I missed it on TV....
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:35:00 GMT
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>P.S.: did anyone notice Dave Mader in the Melling car?  If they come up
>with some sponsorship, the Alabama Gang just might have another contender!

Didn't Melling have Food City as a sponsor?  If so, was this a one time 
deal?  When I was watching the BGN rainout, I thought that Jimmy Spencer 
said he was disappointed to not make the WC race since Food City was his 
sponsor.  

DAvid
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: F1 faster drivers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 23:00:00 GMT

In article : <1992Apr4.769.7650@dosgate>
             "curtis repen" <curtis.repen@canrem.com> writes...
>In article : <1992Apr1.012814.13344@lsil.com>
>        in : rec.autos.sport
>             mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
> 
>MS>Actually, driving fast doesn't mean much.  Driving smart does!  Prost drives
>MS>smart.  Senna does not.  Senna makes up for it by driving fast.  Prost is not
>MS>called The Professor for nothing.  Jackie Stewart was the same way, very smooth,
>MS>fast, and smart.
> 
>  Prost used to drive smart. Senna *did* not. Senna *now* does. Perhaps
>  his apprenticeship under the professor has taught him something?? I do
>  agree with you: up until, ohh say 1990, Senna threw away many races
>  through foolishness, or by pushing the car too hard. More recently,

[astute observations on Senna driving smart omitted]

>  IMHO, if you want to look at someone in F1 who isn't driving too
>  smartly, look at Nigel Mansell. When you're coasting in the lead, with
>  your teammate behind you, you should take it easy on the car, not push
>  it to the limit.
> 
>  F1 cars occasionally break. The harder you push it, the more likely
>  it is too fail.
> 
>  Hopefully Nigel's driving will mature as Senna's has: although you'd
>  think Nigel's disastrous fortune last year might have made him tread a
>  bit more gently.
> 
>  regards,
>      curtis
> 

Not a chance of that happening, Mansell is an old man, his F1 days are
rapidly becoming numbered. I've got to believe Mansell has been driving so 
hard because he realizes that this stint with Williams Renault is his
final chance of becoming a world champion. Don't get me wrong, Mansell
is a near great driver, but (if he doesn't win it all this year) it would
be time to step aside and let a younger driver have a shot. Renault
desperately wants a title and if Mansell fails to deliver the goods for
second year in a row when the Williams has been superior he will deserve
the pink slip Frank will give him. However, I can't really blame him 
for not winning a championship, he has had some terrible luck.

George.

P.S. Being that Senna *will* repeat, you can call this
     the 'Mansell F1 fairwell tour.'

P.P.S. See you in CART next year, Nige.
From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 9 Apr 1992 12:23:24 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: betty.cs.widener.edu

In article <1992Apr8.231229.21289@rti.rti.org> jbp@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <9204060905.AA01774@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>HA!!!  Williams stuffed the rest out of sight AGAIN.
>
>Yes indeed.  Even as a Williams fan it was a bit boring.  Forrest Bond
>has the most intriguing solution: "...active suspension should be banned
>from F1 effective immediately."   Otherwise Williams will score 256
>points in the 1992 Constructors Championship.......

 Well, as I MacLaren fan, I say that Williams deserve all the
victories they get.  They produced by far the best car, and the rules
for them are no different than the rules for the other teams.  I would
like to see some competition though.  MacLaren and Ferrari should pull
there fingers' out of their arses' and get with it.


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