From: cjm@unb.ca (Chris McNeil)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: >QM gateways (long messa
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:38:47 GMT
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Organization: University of New Brunswick     Fredericton NB Canada


        Reply to:   RE>>QM gateways (long message about) 
I think beavergate is for non-commerical use only ( but don't quote me on
this). BTW Beavergate works fine even with 2.5 of quickmail as long as the
QM mailcenter and  Beavergate are running on the same machine. If you have
other mailcenters on other machines that you expect Beavergate to send mail
to you are in for a surprize. The mail will just disappear instead of being
forwarded.  If you are running earlier versions of quickmail it works fine.

One other major think. You cannot run beavergate ( of any of the other
gateway succeffully) on ethernet unless you have a MAC II or greater as your
gateway machine. On localtalk SE's work fine. Note : this is a quickmail
problem not a problem in the gateway. It will seem to work until your
gateway gets busy then you will get unexpected freezing up of the gateway
machine. I called the Quickmail people and they told me this was caused by
their software using the same interrupts as the ethernet cards in non nubus
machines ( Does this make sense ?). Anyway they also said they had no
intentions of fixing it (at least they're honest about it).

Anyway as our system has grow and went to QM 2.5 I have had to look for a
commercial product. I have NFS share from Intercon and love it so I thought
I would try their product. I called them and they told me not to buy it (
that 2-3 months ago). They said there were some major problems that they
were trying to fix. The fact that they admitted to this only increases my
respect for their company, but I needed a gateway fast.

I called Cayman ( by this time I was not going to buy unless I knew it
worked) who promised me a demo version which never came.

I called starnine. They were very polite and nice. They told me that Caymans
product was their gateway and If I had already called them there was no
point in them sending me something.

I then called Information Electronics. They assured me that their product
was stable. It was inexpensive ( as many users as you want ). 
I tried it, It works very well for our network ( 4 mailcenters in four zones
all serviced by one gateway). It also had one very nice feature. It comes
with TCP conection tools. I can telnet to my mail server (which is on the
gateway machine) and read my mail.

To conclude this rather long note: 
All mail systems that use gateways to the internet are a pain in the butt.
I also look after CC:Mail for PC's same thing.
I would only recommend them if you think the majority of your mail is going
to be local and you have alot of users already using QM (or CC:MAIL) that
you can't get to change.

Otherwise I would use POPmail. Either Eudora if you have a pop3 server,
or POPmail from boombox if you have a pop 2 server. 
Need a server? and don't have a unix machine to run it on ?
Mailstop from boombox is a pop2 server that runs on a MAC.
Ka9q has a pop2 server that runs on a PC (AT or greater). I've tried both
and both are fine. You need a modified version of ka9q to use the pop server
with the above clients (I had to make some bug fixes and recompile). If
anyone needs it I'll post it somewhere for ftp







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Subject: Re: QUICKMAIL? can I access it from Unix??
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In article <1992Apr10.064037.9513@interop.com> davidg@interop.com (David
Gimpelevich) writes:
>In article <SHAWN.92Mar30134108@litsun.epfl.ch> shawn@litsun.epfl.ch
writes:
>>now I want to be able to send mail to QUICKMAIL accounts on the
>>appletalk network, but from a unix machine.

>There are several products out there that let you do this.

> 1. SMTP\QM from Information Electronics (info@ie.com)
> 2. UMCP\QM from the same place.  It can do UUCP over LAN or asynch.
> 3. SMTP*Link from StarNine (try info@starnine.com, or postmaster)
> 4. GatorMail-QM from Cayman. They OEM SMTP*Link, really
(postmaster@cayman.com)
> 5. Dispacter/SMTP from InterCon (info@intercon.com)

>I have seen and played with all of them.  Each has its pluses and minuses.
>Email me please if you would like more detail.

>Nothing PD or otherwise free, I'm afraid...

Not quite true...  The University of Toronto is the author of an smtp
QuickMail
gateway called BeaverGate.  It is available via anonymous ftp from:

madhaus.utcs.utoronto.ca

It seems to work fine if you are not running mail services on an AppleShare
2.x
server - BeaverGate has an application that needs to run that would compete
with QuickMail Administrator for the single application slot on the server.

--

James Madill
james_madill@cellbio.duke.edu




Chris McNeil
Systems Support
University of New Brunswick
Fredericton NB Canada
cjm@unb.ca


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