HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: michael@mwc.com ("Michael L. Kaufman")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 3.x programs in 4.0
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

dtodd@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>I bought Coherent 2.x mostly to run a program for text processing that had
>been ported to Coh.  I have ordered 3.0 and want to know if the program
>that was written for 2.x will have to be recompiled with 3.0 in order to
>run on 3.0?

No.

Michael
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From: willard.UUCP!dawson@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:54:00 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
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peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> In article <1992Jul21.141409.23783@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
williams@nssdcs.gsfc
> >I think that moving .minix, .linux, and .coherent under comp.unix[+] is a
> >terrible idea.  Check out the thread in comp.unix[+].bsd about AT&T suing
> >BSDI on the issue of intellectual property.  Apparently, USL are going
> >to be real bastards about this, and possibly endanger any form of free
> >UNIX[+] that is in any way derived from BSD.  I would therefore encourage
> >the net to use the "U" word as little as possible.
> 
> Since coherent, minix, and linux haven't a skerrik of BSD in their makeup,
> how would AT&T get involved? I can see how they can argue intellectual
> contamination of BSDI, but these other systems have no such heretige.

NOT.  Perhaps you don't remember (but I certainly do) the discussion on the
Linux-Activists newsgroup regarding this very topic.  Many developers of
Linux pieces have in fact had direct exposure to BSD source code.  The same
is true for Minix.  I can't say, but it may well be true for Coherent.

> 
> >comp.unix[+].* should
> >go away, to be replaced by comp.os.unix[+].* (or perhaps 
comp.os.UNIX[+]TM.*
> >which would *ONLY* be used for "true" USL licensed UNIX[+] versions.
> 
> No, I think that keeping the net aware of how many alternatives there are
> to True Blue AT&T code is important, and besides who are they going to sue?
> Usenet?

How 'bout Andy Tannenbaum?  Linus Torvalds?  Princeton-Hall?  Mark Williams 
Co.?

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From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Int vs. Polling Disk Access
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:06:31 GMT
Organization: Private

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thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
: I got my D: hard drive up, and Coherent installed. After copying some of
: the raven software onto the Coh drive, I tried to uncompress (with a work
: file), and it must have taken over 15 minutes to uncompress the file.
: 
: I vaguely remember someone saying earlier that very slow disk access might
: be due to using the wrong disk access method. If so, how can I change my
: interrupt based access to polled access? PLEASE say that I don't have to 
: reinstall.
: 
: Thanks,
: Keith
: -- 

Hi,
there is only the choice between 'normal polling' and 'alternate polling'.
You should use 'alternate' only, if you get errormessages like 'Watchdog
timeout'. But if you are using a SCSI disk, your diskaccess is very sloooow,
if you choose the wrong IRQ during installation. But it's so slow then that
you should noticed this before (1-2 seconds pause after ls).

Cheers, Ecki

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST)
Subject: Re: port problem
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:50:06 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Jul24.085423.15258@r-node.gts.org>, david@r-node.gts.org (Gerald Abshez) writes:
|> I second the motion. MWC, if your listening, take heed. They *don't* mention
|> that you need your serial number inside the front cover of the Install
|> notes, and that is where I got my email addresses from. At least a bounce
|> message or a note saying that they could only reply further if you send
|> your serial # would be better then your mail disappearing to /dev/null.

	Not to be presumptious or anything, but MWC could allow one to register
an e-mail address where one would be sending mail to support@mwc from.  Use a
filter on the support account to reject all other e-mail (actually, the
register/filter idea is probably a good idea anyway to limit some of the e-mail
volume they undoubtedly get).
	If they have any concerns the question might not be from the owner of
the product, they can always call or bounce the mail back and ask the owner to
call and provide their serial number.

	I know e-mail is easy to fake, but at least this way, the serial number
is never sent through e-mail where an unscrupulous sysadmin can see it.


	Of course, since this suggestion requires software, or more staff time,
I'll not be suprised if they decide not to do something like this :-).


it's an idea,
Pat White (patbob@techbook.com | patbob@mentorg.com)
From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0 Questions
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:11:48 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

hlae0999@rz.uni-hildesheim.de (Holger Laebe) writes:
> 1. In an advertisment the KornShell is mentioned, is this the true
>    KornShell, or just a crippled clone ?

Its a full Korn shell, but a old one.  Under 3.2 the only functional "cripple"
I found is the lack of a vi-mode command-line editing (no more space left into
the 64k segment? :-) ).
I hope the 4.0 version has vi-mode.

> 2. I would like to use some GNU-Tools like gcc 2.2, gdb, flex, bison etc.
>    Is it possible to compile/run them on version 4.0, since
>    under 3.1 there were some problems.

MWC people say they have ported some FSF programs like gcc, g++, flex, bison,
emacs, plus other like elm.

I think there is RSN some new COHware disks...

Bye, Lanfranco

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From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Problems with Transferring Sun -> Coherent via floppy disk
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:49:08 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

decemj@vccnortha.its.rpi.edu (John Arthur December) writes:
> I have successfully done this on Coherent:
> 	Coh$ tar cvf /dev/fva0 DIRECTORY
> Then I can read from this disk on the Sun just fine:
> 	Sun$ /usr/5bin/ustar -xvf /dev/rfd0c
> 
> However, my problem is going from the Sun to Coherent.
> 	Sun$ /usr/5bin/ustar -cvf /dev/rfd0c DIRECTORY 
> But then this is where I have problems:
> 	Coh$ tar xvf /dev/fva0 DIRECTORY

It sounds as Sun's ustar can read the old Coherent's tar format, but the
reverse is false.

Have you tried with the Coherent's ustar?


Bye, Lanfranco

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: uucico errors reported using PEP at 19200 port speed
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9207251421.35@duncan> dalcs!banke1!duncan!root (David John Murdoch) writes:
>
>	I'm using a Trailblazer Plus with BC 7.0 chip update,
>V3.2.015K of COHERENT and V3.2.24S uucico to uucp compressed news in PEP
>and uucp spoofing mode from another site. My serial port speed is set to
>19200 and the uulog reports lots of errors but my transfer rate is
>averaging around 680bps. The rate is considerably reduced at a
>port speed of 9600.
>
>	Can the error problem be fixed?

1. You need to use a NS16550AF UART in your serial card.

2. Write to support@mwc.com, and ask them about setting up the flow
   control devices.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Subject: Re: uucp
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:06:26 GMT

d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers) writes:
: Is it possible to have uucp recognise non-listed sites calling in. That is,
: anonymous sites. It really is a bit of a problem having to let people know
: that they must use something like MYNAME-=bbsuser and such like? Does anyone
: have a fix for this.

How about Taylor - UUCP ;-))  
I assume that you'll run/intend to run Coherent 4.0

Cheers,

Joachim
From: root@mordor.com (Chris Mauritz - SysGod)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Re: Coherent 4.0 Release
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:39:29 GMT
Organization: Mordor - Public Access Unix - Jersey City, NJ.

john@rhutch.uucp (John Strittmatter) wrote:

>bob@netcom.com (Robert Becker) writes:
>: >I just got off the phone with MWC, 4.0 startes shipping today.
>: >Thought Inquiring minds would want to know....
>: >
>: We do!  Now we need to know if they are shipping FIFO, alphabetically,
>: "Name if The Hat" method, etc.....  <grin>
>: And how long before the backlog is completed shipping.
>: 
>I called mwc on the 25th.  They said that my order would take 2.5 to 3
>weeks to arrive.

Well, I ordered 4.0 with my credit card about 10 days after it was
announced formally so I assume that I am near the top of the shipping
list.  I was told by MWC that I would not be charged for the upgrade
until they actually shipped it, and lo and behold I have not yet
been charged yet (called Amex a few minutes ago).

Listen, we've waited (un)patiently this long.  What is another week
or two?  Relax, have a homebrew! :-)  You can spend all that pent up
energy FTPing all the sources you'll be craving in a short time....

Cheers,

Chris

p.s. Homebrew available on request. :)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: FAQ anyone?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:03:41 GMT

In article <9207274818@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo) writes:
>: 
>: 	It seems that comp.os.coherent would really benifit from a FAQ.
>
>This group has a FAQ, it was last posted at 3/15/92, the revision was
>1.5. This FAQ should be posted at 15'th of every month. I don't know
>why its holders has stopped to post it. 

I think that the FAQ was held back in anticipation of the release of Coherent
4.0.  It was announced in May so they thought (again I think) that they would
modify the FAQ for the 386 version before they sent it out again.

>However, I have a copy of the
>last one. Maybee that one get the permission of its autors to use it
>as a base for a new FAQ.

By whatever means, we should get it going again.  Even if we removed the parts
about the speculation regarding 386 version or something.  Posting it as is
would be better than not having a FAQ for 6 months.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix
From: kim@aie.nl (Kim Schrijvers)
Subject: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:55:42 GMT

Hello,

Can anyone tell me the pro and contras of the following operating systems, I
would also like to know wether they support TCP/IP and C++, and wether they 
run on an IBM/XT or not. I looked for a FAQ, but couldn't find one.

Coherent
Xenix
Minix
Lunix

Kim Schrijvers	Internet: kim@aie.nl

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen)
Subject: Int vs. Polling Disk Access
Summary: How can I change from interrupt to polling disk access?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:33:24 GMT

I got my D: hard drive up, and Coherent installed. After copying some of
the raven software onto the Coh drive, I tried to uncompress (with a work
file), and it must have taken over 15 minutes to uncompress the file.

I vaguely remember someone saying earlier that very slow disk access might
be due to using the wrong disk access method. If so, how can I change my
interrupt based access to polled access? PLEASE say that I don't have to 
reinstall.

Thanks,
Keith
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From: bill@glidden.UUCP (Bill Glidden)
Subject: Re: Reclaiming Partitions
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:15:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bill Glidden's Home, Tampa FL

collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com writes:
> 
> My question is, how do I eliminate Coherent looking for these two
> partitions?  When I boot up Coherent, it gives me a lot of error
> messages on directories /v /w (the names of the partitions 6 & 7).
> What do I need to change to eliminate this?
> 
Have you edited these partitions out of your /etc/mount.all file?

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From: bill@glidden.UUCP (Bill Glidden)
Subject: Re: Info about coherent 4.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:52:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bill Glidden's Home, Tampa FL

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
> 
> 4.0 comes with a System V compatible cron.

By this, do you mean that there will be separate crontab files
for each cron user? And that the uid of the process will be set
to match the name of the crontab? I.e. /usr/spool/crontabs/root entries
will be run as root and /usr/spool/crontabs/bill entries will be run 
as bill?? (Hope so!)

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Info about coherent 4.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:54:44 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bill@glidden.UUCP (Bill Glidden) writes:
: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: > 
: > 4.0 comes with a System V compatible cron.
: 
: By this, do you mean that there will be separate crontab files
: for each cron user? And that the uid of the process will be set
: to match the name of the crontab? I.e. /usr/spool/crontabs/root entries
: will be run as root and /usr/spool/crontabs/bill entries will be run 
: as bill?? (Hope so!)

You are right. You may select the cron you want to use. If a file
/etc/crontab is available, you run the old 3.x cron with the
uid problems. If this file isn't available, cron searches for
crontabs in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs, and executes the files
with the uid/gid of the owner. And it works, I've never had
any problems since using the System V cron. The crontabs
for the users may be hold in every users working directory,
because 4.0 comes also with a command to copy the privat
crontab file of a user to the cron spool directory.
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From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on COHERENT, LINUX, and possible FORSALE
Date: 17 Jul 92 21:14:52 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
> Well, under a 32-bit unix, it does pay to have a DX instead of an SX. 
> But yes, the same programs will run quite happily (only a bit slower) on
> a 386SX machine.  I doubt there is that much difference when running Coh
> versions 3.2 and lower (obviously not counting the fact that SX machines
> usually have lower clockrates as well). 

But 386*x may run faster than 286 is they cae run 386 code!
Specific 386 istruction are faster that those of the 286.

> But I agree: if the primary cause for getting a unix is to learn about
> using the operating system, coherent is a good idea.  I'd say linux is
> actually more /useable/ but the learning curve is much steeper.  (Not to

Not to mention another fact: time!
I work as a sysadm in a software house 9 to 10 hours a day.  
When I come home I have a very little time to reserve to home-computing
(opposed to work-computing).  I like to read news, try some game, etc.
But I have virtually no time to hack!
I like to get into the deeps of unix, and I will be one of the happiest
men of the world if I have the time to do it.

So Coherent was (and is) a good choice for me.

Bye, Lanfranco

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Virtaul Memory in 4.0
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> I have been reading the postings for Coherent 4.0 (or is it Coherent 386?).
> According to the postings, Coherent 4.0 does not include virtual memory.  But,
> a short review in Byte magazine (Aug 1992, I think) claims that it does.  Both
> sources of info claim no socket support.  What's the deal?  Does 4.0 have
> virtual memory or not.  Also if these two items (virtual memory and
> sockets) are not included now, does anyone at Coherent have an idea if
> and/or when they might be?

Coherent 4.0 will NOT have vm nor sockets. Both are slated for 4.1
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: C News (was Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups)
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:02:44 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> In article <920725204@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>
> >Elm and NN are ported to 4.0, just runs fine. I'm thinking about porting
> >the latest C-News (Performance Release from May 2, 1992) to 4.0.
> >Is someone else working on this?
> 
> I've been meaning to grab the cnews sources.  You know, the worst part is
> going to be hacking the scripts.  Specifically sendbatches, inews, and
> anne.jones.  I've been using sh from 3.1.0 to run my old cnews.

It may not be too bad, a lot of C News in the performance release has been
rewritten in C. I think anne.jones doesn't exist, all of inews is now in C.

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From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0 Release
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:53:05 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <9207262046.44@duncan>, ** Sender Unknown ** writes:
> In article <1335@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>>pacific.uucp!mkh@overmind.mind.org writes:
>>: > I just got off the phone with MWC, 4.0 startes shipping today.
>>: > 
>>:     That's funny... I called today (two days after the above was posted),
>>: and they told me it started shipping this afternoon. [...]
>>
>>That's funny... we just got mail here and Coherent said that they will
>>start shipping 4.0 on August 3rd.
> 
> That's funny... so did I.
> 

Me too. I got promised delivery on 7/8 in Australia.

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From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Questions about Coherent.
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:19:13 GMT
Organization: Phillip Institute of Tech, Melbourne

I have a couple of questions about Coherent which the ad. in Byte
doesn't answer for me. 
 
1. Does it come with a C compiler? 
I really want a UNIX at home because I want to be able to work on 
C assignments at home, and I want ANSI C, not some Borland or Microsoft
mutation.
 
2. Can it be networked? i.e. can I pick up and read (then post) usenet
with Coherent?
 
3. If in the future I have the hardware for X-windows, will Coherent
do it?
 
Thanks in advance 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix