From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: [This is what Corey and Tim says] This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses do.
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:59:01 GMT

In article <LAURAF.92Jul28112038@wolf.eecs.umich.edu> lauraf@eecs.umich.edu (Laura Falk) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.174944.3084@sdf.lonestar.org> corey@sdf.lonestar.org (Corey Carroll) writes:
>
>   GOddamnit Laura!  What the fuck is wrong with yoU?  What makes you think
>   the Bible is the word of Jehovah?!?!  What makes you think he EXISTS?!?!?
>   What makes you think he's PERFECT?!?!  Maybe the universe was created
>   by a giant sloth who didn't care what happened after the big bang...
>   What basis do you have to support this reasoning?  Show me, WITHOUT REFERRING
>   TO THE BIBLE, how the Bible is true, inerrant, and inspired.  I bet
>   you can't do it.
>
>My, my aren't we testy!  I will ask you the same question: what is wrong with
>you?  What makes you think the Bible is **not** the word of Jehovah?  

The same thing that makes me think that astrology doesn't work.
Or that zeus doesn't live on Mt. Olympus.

>Let's see,
>what makes me think he EXISTS???  Well, the earth and the universe for two
>reasons.  Man cannot create life therefore I see no evidence of evolution. 

But people can create life, remember the Morris virus? It was as much
a virus as any other virus in nature, infact it had more code in it
than most virus's in nature do.
There is also artificial life research which creates simulated life
forms in a computer. Creating biological life from scratch is not 
that far away.

>The
>fact the babies form out of 1 cell into a human being: arms, legs, etc.  

The mandelbrot set forms from a single equation but is more complex
than the known universe.

>Our
>brains our only 3 lbs yet are capable of doing what a computer does and better.
>I could go on but I will spare you.

But this is transient, a computer that was as good as the brain could
probably be built today it would just be very expensive. In 20-40 years
true AI will be cheap and probably very common.

>My proof is the bible.  If you don't believe the bible then Jehovah's
>creation can prove this.  

But you use the bible as proof that god created the universe, so this
is a circular argument.

>However, many do not want to credit such to God; it
>might be too beyond what their minds can accept.  

No people don't want to accept that life can arise from ordinary matter
because it seems very strange, its easier to assign it to a god and
ignore the question of how the God got there.

>After all, we 
>are only using a very small portion of our brains.  

Well I'm only 25, I certainly hope I have room for atleast a few more
decades of data :)

BTW-that "fact" is folklore....

>Don't you think there is a
>reason for that?
>
>   So?  I know all the teachings yes.  I heard them so many times I wanted to
>   puke.  I couldn't think of living forever and having to go to 5 meetings
>   a week for eternity...AARGh
>
>Oh well.  I happen to like going to the meetings (5 hours per week). I suppose
>you hated attending your college classes as much then too, huh?  Let's see that is
>about 17 hours per week.

But presumably the college classes are teaching something useful rather
than mythology.

>Living forever sounds too good to pass up; 

I agree I think I'll sign up with Alcor for cryonic suspension when I
die.

>especially on a paradise earth where
>one does not have to deal with Satan's system!!  I love life, don't you?

Evil will never be eliminated as long as people let there lives be
guided by mythology.

>You say to take a course in Logic.  You mean a course created by imperfect man?

Yes. Logic is a means of overcoming imperfection.

>Now tell me (for arguments sake), how can you be sure that this course created
>by man is one of true logic?  

Because you can put logic to the test over and over again, you can spend
all day and all night thinking up the most bizarre tests you can imagine
and it will still work. 

>Or is it logic only in mans eyes?  You are
>comparing apples to oranges.  What might be logically to man might be illogical
>to Jehovah!

But you don't even have a scrap of evidence for there even being a Jehovah,
so how can you compare his logic to humans logic which we do have evidence
for?
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