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> 
> also look for the video, "Revenge of the Telemarkers", an educaional video by 
> North Americain Telemark Organization founder Dick Hall.  This video is an 
> excellent introductory tape for the telemarker who has little experience in 
> parallel technique.  I think it is available for about $35.  
> I don't have the address but you could loacate is hrough the Adirondack
> Mountain Club, Lake Placid, NY  518-523-3441.

What?  You must be thinking of another video.  RotT is a "travel log" video
of a couple of Eastern Telemarkers' trip out West to ski.  I don't remember
any educaional (sic) parts.

What was interesting though was the contrast in the Easterners' technique
compared to the Westerners they met.  The Easterners did a lot of hopping
between turns (due to learning to turn in difficult conditions, I assume) 
compared to the smooth transitions of the Western skiers.

John

P.S. We rented this from a local outdoor shop.  You might try that first.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: boots
Keywords: boots
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:49:40 GMT

> Nordica P(?)90; P(?)80 

The Nordica Syntech F8 boots are rear entry with 3 forward buckles,
an instep adjuster, a rear closure adjuster and a velcro 'power strap'
The F9 also has an air pump for 'better' fit.  The local ski mag.
reckoned they were an intermediate boot, that is they wouldn't offer
the control or adjustment to and advanced skier.  I've skied 4 days in
these boots and they are confortable with a good fit.

> Rossi 

M3 was another interesting boot in the intermediate catagory.  With the
"click-in" walk system, the reduction in weight and some of the better
soles being fitted to modern downhill boots I wonder if they would be a good alternative to Rando boots for less serious ski tourists ?

David.
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: N. Tahoe Conditions 12/29
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:15:30 GMT

Resorts basically closed down.  Alpine definitely, Squaw on marginal
standby status.
Two feet of new.
Chains required.  I80 is closed West bound and at times East bound.
By passed it to get up here.
Driving conditions extremely hazardous.  Plowing has fallen behind.
Numerous abandoned vehicles.
Controls start at 3K ft. Applegate.
Temp 29F, Lows: 10-15F
Winds W 10-40 Mph.
X-C wax blue (used to ski to store).
Avalanche hazard extreme.
Food stocks in stores are diminishing.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mueller@pi.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATION FOR QUAD CHAIR INNOVATION Re: trip report from Taos, NM
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:16:10 GMT

In article <trdavis.725577047@node_26cf5>, trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Tracy R. Davis) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Dec21.221319.25593@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
> >>>OK, I'm back from pre X-mas skiing in Taos, NM. Here's a short report:
> >...
> >>>The new quad is too short, it doesn't reach up into the steeps of the west
> >>>basin and therefore only serves blues and greens.
> 
> >>Good!  Quads are the scourge of powder skiing.  No single invention
> >>has ruined more good ski slopes.

Very true for detachables. But since Taos doesn't have such hi-tec destruction
lifts, this is not a serious problem. As long as there is more than one run
from the top of the lift, crowds generally disperse. And remember that two
doubles (= 1 quad) take you to the top of the mountain. But the west basin
is no more crowded than any other slope. IMHO, they could have placed the lift
in the upper (right) part of the west basin, or at least they could have extended
it to where the blue run merged into the basin. There are no more trees in that
area anyway.

Of course, they rather want to limit the effects on the national forest. By
having to hike or ski on a narrow trail into the upper basin, you can limit
the number of skiers considerably.

> It looks to me like they put the new chair in the right place. I have heard manypeople mention the traffic problem on white feather trail. This lift should eliminate the traffic problem and decrease the lines on lifts 5 and 1. As if there
> has ever been a long line at Taos compared to Vail, Copper, et al.  

This might be very true from the viewpoint of non-expert skiers.
(And it's important that everyone finds a suitable lift in a ski resort.)

It just annoys me that they built a lift which I would never want to use.
All other lifts are in a good place and serve all kinds of runs.

What would Ernie have said?

Frank
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel.marketplace
From: pruett@CS.ColoState.EDU (J. L. Pruett)
Subject: ski condo for rent
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:37:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Luxury 1 bdrm condo in Frisco, Colorado 
Email for info, or call 303-229-9458

Jenny
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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Steep Slopes
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:01:54 GMT

 I skied my heart, my legs, my arms off this last Saturday.
I noticed that my technics are improving by implementing what
I am learning from this news group. Thanks to you all :)

I have another question now. I noticed on the steep slopes I
tend to exaggerate my turns, just about to 80 degrees. I do 
this not to pickup too much speed. By doing this though, I
noticed that I lose my rhythm, because of over-turning. How
can I correct this?

Principals reply only :)

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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:00:09 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 16/16 Lest we become too serious
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: pascoe@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Dave Pascoe)
Subject: Pico (VT) conditions?
Organization: GTE/MSED - Needham Heights, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:13:19 GMT

Wonder if anyone has been up to Pico in VT over the holidays....I'm
interested to know what conditions are really like.

--
Dave Pascoe
Internet: pascoe@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: omtveit@kjemi.unit.no (Tore Omtveit . Kjemiteknikk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:53:59 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Chem.Eng, Norwegian Inst. of Tech.

In article <1992Dec21.172514.12944@netcom.com>, mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier) writes:
|> P.S. - "Christie" was named, I think, after Christiania, Norway
|> (the original name that is now Oslo), where the skidded turn was
|> invented..
|
This is surely a detail, but history is not fully correct.

The 'Christianiasving' was developed alongside with the turn which you probably also know; - the 'Telemarksving'. The turns were developed in the small mountain valley Morgedal in the heart of the county of Telemark, Norway.

About 150 years ago, men from Morgedal went to the Oslo, or Christiania as you correctly stated, to teach the urban people the real skiing. The simplest of their stop turns later got the name 'Christianiasving'; - 'Christie'.

Morgedal is known as 'the craddle of modern skiing', and it is remarkable how much this small valley did for skiing in the 19th century. Did you know that 'slalom' is a dialect word from this tiny valley, meaning 'an easy slope'?

The Olympic fire(?) will be lit in Morgedal for the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer in 94, like for the Olympics in Oslo'52 and Squaw Valley'60.

I wish you all a Merry Christmas.

      - Tore 
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: REPORT: Crystal Mountain, Cascades, WA Tues, 12/22
Summary: Very Good conditions at Crystal!
Keywords: Crystal, Cascades
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:23:55 GMT



Date: Tuesday, Dec. 22, 1992 
Time: 8:30 a.m.
Location: Crystal Mountain, Cascades, WA  
Temps: 38 F at 8:30 a.m.  3
Weather at time of obs.: Snowing lightly 
Snow level: 2500 ft  
New snow depth:  4 in very dry powder  
Elevation of observation: 3800 ft (base)  
Winds: 30-40 mph from south  
Avalanche hazard: severe, South Back Country closed  
Lift lines: 1-3 min 
Wax: all-temperature, cork buff, brass-wire brush   
Traffic: none  
Chains required? no, but advised on Crystal Boulevard (except 4x4)  
Comments: 8 inches from Sun 12/20 plus 4 in from Mon 12/20 night gave 
good-very good conditions.  Very windy.  Poor visibility at times.
North Back Country very good.  Paradise Bowl and Powder Bowl - 4 star.
"Holiday rates in effect til Jan 4 = $26."


 
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   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

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From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:45:34 GMT

In article 1064@blue.cis.pitt.edu, astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield) writes:
> In article <BzMvso.3A1@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
> >Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
> >
> >Captain Zod...
> >zod@ncube.com                                                         
> 
> Zod you are about a month late with this one...thank god this thread died.
> PULEEASE!!!! DON'T revive it.  BTW Long live the Connection Machine 5 and the
> CRAY YMP/C90 & MPP unit.
> 
No wonder you think this way!

> X-Disclaimer :: Opinions are not ment to be representitive of the PSC.
> 
> Mark E. Porterfield
> Information Systems Analyst
> Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
> 
> Quote of the week:: "Yeah, I have memory for 50+ sets of the Ecyclopedia
>     Britanica...and I still used it all AND crashed the machine."
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:26:30 GMT

glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:

>Jim Puckett (puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:

>> NO FEAR! QUIT SNIVELIN'!!

> ...and land on the peas, but I think this is the wrong news group!

> ..glen

It's "land IN the peas" and he was talking about other skiers,
not canopies... and I guess it is the wrong group...

-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Fischer vs. Kastle
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:16:54 GMT

Hello,

After a demo trip to Purgatory I found myself fond of the 
Fischer SC4 ceramics. Very light, fairly decent spring. Great
mogul skis.

Can't seem to find them in the Phoenix area. All stores sold 
out and the Manufacturer says no more to ship.

Found a comparable feeling ski, (only in store) with the 
Kastle Air Graphite. Light weight, great spring.

Any feed back....? Any one out there ski either or both..?

I had been skiing olin 930's for several years. Did not realize
how stiff and heavy they were un till just recently. Need a VERY 
light and VERY springy mogul ski.... Any suggestions?

Thanks for the input.

Jim

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From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Dorm at Killington
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:26:11 GMT

Does anyone have the name of a ski dorm in the Killington area.  Quick help
would be appreciated.
Thanks
John (the impatient)
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:38:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.205931.6636@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.172502.27284@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>>Personally, I'm nervous about new skis until the topskins get gouged and
>>scratched.  Thieves generally prefer new looking skis because they can sell
>>them more easily.  Once my new skis no longer look new, I can rest easy
>>since they no longer are an attractive target.
>
>Well isn't that what a good strong cable lock was made for? :)
>

Ski with a friend.  When you reach the base lodge (or wherever you're
going to take your skis off), swap a ski with your friend.  Put 
your skis far apart on different racks.  This will help prevent (a)
theft, and (b) the more common error, when someone who has a
ski/binding combination very similar to yours takes your skis by
mistake.  

Andy
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From: carla@geovision.gvc.com (Carla St. Germain)
Subject: Hagen Classic RC skis
Organization: GeoVision Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:48:27 GMT

My SO bought me a new pair of skis for Christmas (yes I got them
early!).  The original ticket price was $565 Can and I got them
for $199 Can.  They're Hagen Classic RC's.  The salesman assured
us that I was getting a great ski as well as a great deal.  It's
not the price that concerns me, but all I now about Hagen
skis is that they're European.  Anybody have experience with these
skis?  They have a wood core rather than a foam core and are
supposed to be ideal for hard packed powder and icy conditions
which is what I see most in my area.  He also told me not to waste
money on buying new bindings since mine are in perfect condition
so, we figure he was honest if he didn't encourage us to spend more
money in his store.

By the way, I'm an intermediate skier and I ski simply for fun, 
therefore, I'm not bothered if they're last year's model.

Thanks,

Carla
carla@geovision.gvc.com
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: boots
Summary: Boot survey
Keywords: boots
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:49:43 GMT

In response to my question about boots, I got qbout 10 replies
saying that Tecnica TNS's are great...5 saying Langes are great.

Any miscellaneous impressions of various boots, good and bad?

E.g., 
Lange X9; 5.5 mid; 5.0 mid; 4.81 mid
Rossi R900; R800; Mid 9; Mid 7 (same as Lange 4.81)
Tecnica TNT; TNS; TCR; TC3
Nordica P(?)90; P(?)80  
Salomon 9.0; 8.0; Force 9

Anything else?

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Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snowboarding
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:38:42 GMT
Organization: CSLA


Does anyone know of a snowboarding BBS?

Thanks in Advance...

-Stacie

sgenchi@calstatela.edu  <-----Internet
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:11:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Hawaii
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> Has anyone skied in Hawaii? I am heading there for Xmass.
> Is it worth skiing? Or people just do it to have said:
> 
> I skied in Hawaii...
> 

It's beyond me why anyone would travel to Hawaii to ski.  It must be
those same people who I meet on the chair-lifts who always want it to be
warm and sunny when they're skiing.

John

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wolf Creek information
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:30:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

I didn't save the address of the person inquiring about Wolf Creek,
and I figured there may be a few other people interested.

There are motels east of WC in South Fork.  The closest you can get
is a lodge-type place just east of the gates which are used to close
the pass, just west of that enormous RV place Fun Valley.  (Actually
west of South Fork.) This is about 10 miles from the ski area.

There are motels west of WC in Pagosa Springs.  The closest you
can get is a nice-looking lodge and cabins place right near the 
"Discount Tire Chains!" place, a few miles before Treasure Falls.
(Quite a distance east of Pagosa Springs.) Again, about 10 miles from 
the ski area (maybe more).

We drove through on Monday and it was massively dumping, with 2 feet
expected.  Don't expect to be able to drive to Wolf Creek unless you
have good snow tires or chains.  WC is a small area with slow lifts,
long lines, not much terrain, and fabulous snow.  If you're looking
for a good week-long ski vacation, probably the best thing to do is
to fly to Durango, ski Purgatory most of the time, and then rent a
car and go to Wolf Creek for 1 or 2 days.  

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From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:57:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Dec28.060659.17550@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
|> 
|> As far as dork factors are concerned, I remember this one incident in which
|> I almost killed an eight year old boy.  Seriously, we're in line and all of a
|> sudden I hear that dreaded grinding noise.  I look back and of course, this
|> kid is trying to stop on my skis.  Well, I ask him to get off.  He gets off,
|> barely, and as soon as we move forward a little, grind.  His mother told him
|> that he should be careful of other people's skis.  We move up again, grind.
|> This happened like maybe five more times (yes, it was one of those beloved
|> Eastern lift lines).  It was then that I decided to either get ski savers or
|> at least a shotgun.

What's all the hubub about the tops of skiis.  Don't ya ski on the bottoms?

jim t
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: cross land skiing
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:01:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Roland Stahl (stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de) wrote:
: Hello all you hill destructing, anti environmentalist down hill skiers 
: (har, har; flames to stahl@ipi.uni.hannover.de),
: is anyone out there interested in cross land skiing topics, or is there
: perhaps an other newsgroup?
:
This is the place, believe it or not. Please be careful when you tease the
alpine skiers; some of them bite.
 
: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you.
:
And to you.

scott smay
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Gene_Creelman@mindlink.bc.ca (Gene Creelman)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?y
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:34:39 GMT

I don't believe there is a comparision if you are looking for variety and not
getting bored. Both hills have installed another quad chair for thus year,
the snow hass arrived in large dumps, the canadian $ is cheap, lots of accom
right at the hill.
You can also fly by heli jet to Whistler from Vancouver. the drive bt road
can be 60 to 90 minutes depending on road conditions.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Subject: Re: Skiing Steamboat Springs, Colorado
Reply-To: rkmossm@PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:47:24 GMT

Eat at the Innerlinks. It's a restaurant and club that is almost too easy to
ski into and out of. It gets it's name from the indoor golf course in the
restaurant. If you go in there, try the salad. I don't exactly remember the
name but you will know it when you see the menu. It's the one with everything
in it including the kitchen sink. Say Hi! to Mary Effinger when you go there.
She is the cute little blonde who also just happens to own the place.

Mention my name and she might not kick you out.

Have a good time!
-- 
Richard K. Mossman  {att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!rkmossm
510/823-1479
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From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:00:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzMvso.3A1@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
>Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
>
>Captain Zod...
>zod@ncube.com                                                         

Zod you are about a month late with this one...thank god this thread died.
PULEEASE!!!! DON'T revive it.  BTW Long live the Connection Machine 5 and the
CRAY YMP/C90 & MPP unit.

X-Disclaimer :: Opinions are not ment to be representitive of the PSC.

Mark E. Porterfield
Information Systems Analyst
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center

Quote of the week:: "Yeah, I have memory for 50+ sets of the Ecyclopedia
    Britanica...and I still used it all AND crashed the machine."
		- Misc. tech-head