HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran)
Subject: Re: Analysis of a typical mistake [was Re: G.C. Thru Marriage to an American Citizen]
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:57:28 GMT

In article <NEERAJ.92Apr13204432@axon.siemens.com> neeraj@learning.siemens.com writes:
>
>"X is planning to get married soon and his wife is an american citizen."
>
>good job (I did not notice). Later, suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu correctly observed
>that Indians make such mistakes more often than Americans. He blamed it on our
>"non-linear" society meaning that Indians do not speak what they mean and hence
>the mistakes such as the above. I think that following reasons are more likely than the
>"non-linear" one--
>
>1. English is not our mother tongue and when we are composing English text a
>
>2. In American schools a lot more attention is paid to style of expression
>
>3. Almost all boundaries in our society are more relaxed. Our society, in
>general, is more fault tolerant than the American society. Speed limits,
>
>Did I express myself well?
>
>Neeraj Bhatnagar

Excellently. Specially, no. 3. In India, there is a lot of context 
dependent semantic analysis performed in real time, with predictive 
methods, e.g., you go with your family somewhere and ask about a place, 
and the man tells you where you should go, why you will be safe there, 
where your children can eat, etc. Many people, like auto rickshaw 
drivers, railway porters, hotel touts, street vendors, relie exculsively 
on interpreting gestures, fragments of conversation, appearance, etc in 
order to catch customers. Lots of things are left implicit in Indian 
society.
From: sharmach@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu (CHETAN SHARMA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: College students in third-world India
Date: 15 Apr 1992 23:44:33 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: centurion.ksu.ksu.edu

In <1992Apr15.230905.3648@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.234845.19996@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> sidana@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ashmeet S Sidana) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.191729.24012@intelhf.hf.intel.com> kumarr@ivan.intel.com writes:
>>
>>the British by several centuries.
>>
>>---Ashmeet Sidana.
>>
>>

>College of Engineering, Guindy [CEG], Madras (now Anna University) was founded
>by the British about 200+ years ago. Its one of the oldest institutions in Asia.
..University of Roorkee is the oldest Engineering institute in INDIA
and third oldest in the British Commanwealth.

Chetan Sharma(UOR graduate'91).
From: vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:35:15 GMT
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: vijay@picard.ncsa.uiuc.edu

In article <cdsvYjm00WB58NaI4M@andrew.cmu.edu> Sudha Neelakantan <sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 
>I agree and I would appreciate people posting their replies to the net
>if they think what they have to say is not appropriate amybe they
>shouldn't bother to say it

Probably, but this is not George et al had to say. They were talking about
posting personal email on the net. Apart from the fact that it is not
appropriate to do that without permission from the sender, concern for
other netters should be evaluated before doing this. as MTV folks would
say, "Like we care."

>
>N.B.  I replied to the only reasonable mail I got
>

a.k.a., the only mail you agreed with. All this apart, posting stuff instead
of emailing (much worse posting stuff that was emailed) is such a waste of
resources, unless it is permitted to be posted and it is something that the
rest of the gang would be interested in. If I had posted every "appropriate"
request for H-1 tips on the net, you guys would've killed me by now.
 
Vijay.
-- 

Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas!
From: satrao@auto-trol.com (The StarCat)
Subject: H1@CONSULATE.US.JUAREZ
Originator: satrao@build_6
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:33:11 GMT

HiGuys,
returned yesterday with a multiple entry H-1B visa from Juarez, Mexico,
and as is the wont, am summarizing:

First, thanx to Himanshu Sanghvi, Vikrant Chaudhary, and Venkat for their
help.

Flew into El Paso, Texas, on Saturday the 11th, took a cab(no bus) to
Travelodge motel downtown (cab cost $14). Stayed for 2 days. Dead bored,
El Paso is a dead place. Walked around a good deal downtown, located all
the bridges to cross over to Juarez. The Santa Fe bridge is the one where
U can cross both ways on foot, it's on El Paso street and 6th street.

Monday morning, 5:45, took a cab from the Grayhound bus terminal to the U.S
Consulate in Juarez (cab cost $25, MUST BARGAIN). Actually, it's a lot better
just to walk across the bridge and take a cab from there, lot cheaper.

Was in the line by 6:15 am, inside the consulate building by 7:30, submitted
my application form, with passport, blue H-1 letter and I-94 at 8:00.
Then, LONG wait, till about 11:00 am, called to counter. 

Questions:
Do you have any relatives in the U.S?
What do you do at work? Job letter?
Why do U need the visa? (Give some work-related reason)?

Granted

Walked to adjacent building, payed $100(cash only) at cashier window,
walked back and handed in receipt, waited another 20 minutes, got
passport with stamp and blue letter.

Left consulate at 12:30 pm, cab to Downtown bridge(8 bucks, msut bargain),
walked across, bag cursorily checked at US end, passport and stuff looked at,
NO new I-94 (not to worry)
Back in the US by 1:15 pm.

All in all, a boring, tedious trip, though successfull. Made better by the
2 new friends I made there. HI SRIRAM & SONYA!

Word of caution, wait at least 2 weeks from now to make this trip yourself,
this is currently holiday period in Mexico, too much crowd. Also, no eats
or walkman allowed into Consulate. Take something along just for the line.
Better yet, go in groups.

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From: sebas-j@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joseph Sebastian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Information
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:14:39 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: sebas-j@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu


In article <1992Apr13.135915.14086@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, ghosh@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Sujit Ghosh ECE-GRAD Grad ) writes:
>Hi netters,
>
>This is for the first time I am posting.
>
> I want to go to L.A. in summer for three months from Ohio.Could anyone
> give me any information of getting a good deal.


	take a hike.
	;-)
-- 
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 joseph sebastian                                                  
 sebas-j@acsu.buffalo.edu                                           
 V073SL4N@UBVMS.BITNET                                              
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:14401 soc.culture.sri-lanka:496
From: John Lacey <johnl@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Arranged Marriages
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:01:35 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Sudhindranath Sira G said:

> It is disturbing to find that quite a few of the netters who 
> have supported the arranged marriage system, make the following 
> ASSUMPTIONS about those who oppose the system:
> 
>   6. They advocate homosexuality, AIDS etc.

I count myself on the same side of this issue as you do,
but I can't find any invitations to homosexuality and AIDS
in the general arguments (unless you can provide examples?).

Besides---ooh, I had better take cover here!---everything else 
you said seemed to have a negative connotation. What is negative
about homosexuality?
From: bkannan@HO12.ENG.UA.EDU (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Food for thought?(Indian Men and Feminism)
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:07:17 GMT


     Some food for thought here;  

     Bischoff, one of the leading anatomists of Europe, thrived
     some 70 years ago. He carefully measured brain weights, and
     after many year's accumulation of much data he observed that 
     the average weight of a man's brain was 1350 grams, that of
     a woman only 1250 grams. This at once he argued was infallible
     proof of the mental superiority of men over women. Throughout
     his life he defended his hypothesis with the conviction of a
     Zealot. Being the true Scientist, he specified in his will
     that his own brain be added to his impressive collection. The
     postmortem examination elicited the interesting fact that his
     own brain weighed only 1245 grams.

                (Source: Scientific American)
From: gyanesh@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Gyanesh K Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:49:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

> sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>That was a generalization from me and I must admit that I personally
>know lots of exceptions
      ^^^^
>Sudha

If you know LOTS of people who don't fit into your description, then how
can you generalize? Generalization would make sense if(f) you know (only)
a FEW exceptions.

Gyanesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Polished Communication ( was...Personal e-mail!)
Followup-To: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:14:04 GMT


>In article <1992Apr11.193015.22682@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>>Well ! since we are letting it all hang out, here's a copy of something 
>>you posted a while ago on scia, in response to one of my postings.
>>I'll let the readers decide if it was "polished communication" or    
>>not.  :^)

I can't be held responsible for your ignorance here. :-) Ever heard of
GNU emacs?

George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fsbern8@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ambady Suresh  (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: A joke about mathematicians ( with due respects to them)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:43 EDT  

Here is another.....

Q: How does a mathematician handle constipation ?

A: Like everything else, he/she works it out with a pencil !
From: aruna@cive.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Subject: Re: Vedic Maths, Cobra Patel 
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:21:07 GMT

In article <12251@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.071117.26260@news.Hawaii.Edu>  
vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
> >
> >*Anyone who has done some reading on the book called `Vedic Mathematics'?
> >
> >    I had read a few pages of this book at IIT(B). The author of the book is
> >one Mr. Shankaracharya. The book had some really fundoo methods for divison,
> 
> I'm not sure, but I think you are reffering to the book compiled by 
> Mr. Puri Shankaracharya (a prof in the mathematics dept. at the Univversity
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> of Roorkee,UP).  I had read some part of that book and though I found the\
> initial stuff like multiplication/division/etc. very fundoo, the later
> stuff like differentiation and integration seemed to me to be almost as 
> hard as the methods in our high school text books. Perhaps it was just 
> a problem of thinking using the new terminology and non-standard methods.
> 
> I believe this proffessor can still be contacted at the Univ. of Roorkee.
> 
> regards,


His name is Dr.Narendar Puri and he is a professor in Dept. of Civil
Engineering. Yes, he can be contacted at Univ. of Roorkee. As far as 
I know he has written some (five parts) books in Vedic maths and copies
can be had from him.

Cheers,
Venkat
> 
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From: vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Italian Rukmini
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:23:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr16.002356.2791
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

My dear tequila-guzzling Italian Rukmini,
   No, I have no intentions of locking horns with you. My language can't match
yours at this stage. I guess I'll go read something on Rec.porn of yours to
catch up on what you've learnt from Kindergarten stage . However, the next time
you advice somebody not to use four-letter words on the net, read your own
literary efforts first :-)
 
---- Fatfut 

PS : Of course there is a stage beyond Wodehouse but you seem to be stuck 
with the porno stuff you learnt in KG way back in the 50s. Just one advice. Take it with all the salt on your "wrist" . Foul words only weaken the arguments:-)
         This is the last time I'm replying on this.Regards.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.033044.370@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au> siva@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Siva Praba Brabakaran) writes:
>I think it is a good idea to start the news group soc.culture.tamil; There
>are thousnads of tamils live around the world who can be linked by this
>newsgroup.
>
>Praba
>
>
>
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>/      \  Customised Software Solutions Centre 
>\_.--._/  Systems Development, Network Services      Phone:	+61 2 395 3327
>      v   Telecom Australia, Sydney, Australia.	     Fax :	+61 2 395 3325

I do not agree.

There r also millions of telugu, Hindi, Malayalam,Kannadam,Marati, etc.....
speaking people scattered all over the world. If a seperate tamil news group is
established, this will lead to the formation of other news groups based on
languages and then places and finally religions(already established) as well.
Its better to discuss about their languages in their own country news group.
I agree with N.S.Raja and Shyamala. Let non-tamil speaking people also
know about tamil. There is no harm in discussing issues on tamil culture in
soc.culture.indian or soc.culture.sri-lankan or soc.culture.malaysian or
soc.culture.singapore (BTW, do news groups for malaysia and singapore exist ?)

Cheers,

Ramkumar

"Thamizhukku amuthaendru paer, ath
 thamilzh inbath thamilzh engal uyirukku naer"

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From: kumar@acuson.com (Kumar Neelakantan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Field Hockey in the Bay Area
Summary: Field Hockey
Keywords: Field Hockey
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:57:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

We are playing Field Hockey every Tuesday evening from 6.30 pm to 7.30 pm,
in Sunnyvale.
If you are interested in playing, contact me by voice[(415)694-5722] or 
e-mail(kumar@acuson.com).

regards
kumar


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sc131109@seas.gwu.edu (Harmel K. Singh)
Subject: ++++++ Email address of Mr Ramani of NCST Bombay
Originator: sc131109@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:08:01 GMT

Hi 

Can anybody give me Email address of Mr. Ramani of NCST Bombay.


Thanx in advance,

Harmel Singh
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 15:54:01 EDT
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ECON--Privatise Radio and TV
 <92094.160844DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> <4507@verdix.verdix.com>

In article <4507@verdix.verdix.com>, dharma@verdix.com (Manjeri Dharmarajan)
says:
>>
>>[ rest of article detailing how access to radio & TV should be controlled to
>>prevent abuse ]
>
>In a democracy, the only reasonable thing to do is to let everybody who wants
>to, have their own radio and TV transmission. We should allocate the bandwidth
>on a first-come-first-serve basis, and let them broadcast anything they want.
>

There is certainly no contest about completely opening up the
electronic media, radio and tv, to private parties; either indi-
viduals or organization. The only point I have tried to make is
about how to do that. And in that direction, the difference in
my and your approach seems to be that I am for a gradual and
systematic opening whereas you want it to be done in one stroke.

The main point in favor of gradual (one two punches separated by
six months to one year time period) opening up is as follows.
As far as I see there are two distinct components of the spectrum
of private operators that may want to enter into the field of elec-
tronic media. The medium or low scale operators that may want to operate
local radio stations or tv channels. The large scale corporate
operators going in for national market in direct competition with
what we have as Doordarshan or All India Radio. My idea is to let
one of these component fields be opened up first, let it stablize
for six months or a year and then open up the other. The preferable order
in which it should be done is the small scale and local sector first
and then the large scale or the national sector.
The separation into the small scale (local) and the large scale (national)
sectors is natural as can be seen in the print media, every where, and the
electronic media in most of the western democracies. One may want to
open up these in one two gradual punches simply because as the local sector
is opened first the Doordarshan or AIR can act as temporary buffers
against small scale fluctuations, i.e., supposed attempts by vested
interests to use these media for undesirable goals. And by the time
the national sector is opened for private ownership, six months to a
year later, one hopes the local sector is generally set up, established,
and under healthy competition, such that now it can act as buffer on a
national scale.

This gradual opening up scheme, therefore, offers a general buffer
through out and at the same time completely opens up the electronic
media for private ownership in a year or so. From operational pers-
pective this is the best I could come up with. Any suggestion, in
otherwise case, is most welcome.

regards..                Deepak


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran)
Subject: Re: VLSI DESIGN CONF. IN INDIA.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.122226.7010@uoft02.utoledo.edu> grx1473@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON VLSI DESIGN IN INDIA.
>
>
>VLSI DESIGN '93
>BOMBAY, INDIA.
>JANUARY 3-6, 1993.
>
>The 6th International Conference on VLSI DESIGN will be held at the TAJ
>INTERCONTINENTAL Hotel. Bombay, INDIA, Jan 3-6 1993. This conference is
>sponsored by the VLSI Society of India (VSI) and the Dept. of Electronics
>(Govt. of India.), in cooperation with the IEEE Computer Society's 
>Technical Comittees on Design automation and VLSI, IEEE cicuits and 
>systems Soc and ACM SIGDA.
>
>The conference is a forum for researchers and designers to present and
>discuss various aspects of VLSI design. 
>
>TOPICS OF INTEREST:
>CAE/CAD systems, High level synthesis, Logic synthesis, Fault modeling,
>Test generation, Design for testability, layout, routing, logic simulation, 
>circuit simulation, timing verification, Application specific devices,
>microarchetecture, Regional/Global perspectives, VLSI algorithms and
>Archetectures, fault tolerant computing, Economic issues, etc.

Would appreciate if someone posts deadlines, etc for the conference, or 
knows where the official notice is available.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: INDIAN WOMEN & MARRIAGE
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:05:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.201401.25662@udel.edu> suresh@fred.cis.udel.edu (Swaminathan Sureshchandran) writes:
>In article <gdsnbde00UhB83yW4l@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>The best example is of some girl(Yashodara Power?) who asked about the
>>relevancy of sex to marriage. 

>This is exactly the sort of writing that should be avoided. Individuals 
>should not be discussed without the accompanying context. Moreover, there 
>are at least two spelling mistakes in the sentence. 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Indians would do well do learn some basic concepts of communication from 
>Americans.            ^^

Ech-choose me saar. But why picking on the felling mishtakes. 
      I would like to know which American you would like us to emulate.
Would it be George "If a frog had wings he wouldn't thwack his tail on
the ground - if - too hypothetical" Bush or
Dan "Born with a silver foot in the mouth" Quayle or
Slick "Smoked, but didn't inhale" Willie or
Sports millionaires who say, "You know, like, you know what am sayin
is, like I ketched the ball and you know the end zone is like in front
of me and I ain't seen nothin like it" or
Musicians who sing, "You *!@$ $%^&**ing *&@!&*! I would like to *%$# your
&^%$# with my &#@!&". 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssave@ole.uucp (Shailendra Save)
Subject: Re: On the existence of Paramatma
Organization: Cascade Design Automation, Bellevue, WA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:30:14 GMT

In article <9204100347.AA12358@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>In article <2465@creatures.cs.vt.edu> you write:

>        The bottomline is that the worldly possessions are unreal. If they are
> real, they should be real at all times. When a man sleeps, he has no


   Here you should make the distinction between the subtle body and the gross body,
and the sleep to mean the "deep sleep".  This is important because unless you are
in a state of deep sleep, you cannot be in a state of no-conciousness. It is only
in this state that you pass from the gross body into the subtle body, and enjoy.


> conciousness about any of his possessions, his relatives,his enemies or
> whatever. He is in a state of happiness. The moment he wakes up, the moment
> he attaches himself into the world, he is unhappy. He has worries,anxieties,
> tax forms, all kinds of things. The world is real to him. Yet,he is unhappy.
>        Shankara calls this worldly attachment as "Maya". He suggests people
> to realise their true SELF - to understand who they are.  Realising the true
> self is the ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE in the upanishads' teachings.
>                                                               Vashistha.
>                                                         sp2@cecq1.wustl.edu 


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