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From: michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Oplata za Studia oraz Program Spoleczny Rzadu
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:55:06 GMT

Jaroslaw Nieplocha writes:

>Ostatnie DONOSY podaja ze Ministerstwo Edukacji ma zamiar wprowadzic
>OPLATE ZA STUDIA WYZSZE. Maja byc rowniez kredyty dla tych ktorych nie stac. 
>
>Tak, zwlaszcza te kredyty sa zabawne. Ciekawe ile taki magister
>czy inzynier mieliby zarabiac po studiach aby zwrocic ten kredyt.
>Pensja sprzataczki i nauczyciela byly porownywalne w PRLu -w obydwu przypadkach
>starczaly na wegetacje. Mam wrazenie ze niewiele sie w tym zakresie zmienilo
>na lepsze...

Owszem zmienilo sie, ale na gorsze.  Z pensji magistra nie sposob
w Polsce wyzyc bez dorabiania np. korepetycjami.  Ten pomysl z kredytami
to jeszcze jeden przyklad kompletnego ignorowania spoleczenstwa.
Prawde mowiac mialem nadzieje ze wraz z upadkiem Olszewskiego nastana
w Polsce rzady troche bardziej oswiecone.  Jakiez naiwne byly to
nadzieje.

>Zawsze mi sie wydawalo ze darmowa opieka lekarska i edukacja
>to jedne (jedyne ?) z najlepszych rzeczy w komunie. Teraz i to znika,
>gdyz program spoleczny kapitalizmu XIX wieku takich fanaberii nie zawieral.
>Przyszle elity intelektualne narodu maja byc wszak oparte
>na synach i corkach naszej nowej klasy kapitalistycznej. 
>Oplaty za studia zapewnia ze zadna biedna cholota plotac sie na uniwersytcie
>nie bedzie. 
>(...)
>Czy inicjatorzy tych reform deklarowali to w programach wyborczych do Sejmu 
>swoich partii z ramienia ktorych dostali sie do rzadu ?
>
>Moze ktos pamieta ktora partia polityczna przy wyborach
>parlamentarnych opowiadala sie za platna opieka lekarska i wyzsza edukacja?
>
>Jarek  

Calkowicie sie z Toba zgadzam, Jarek.
Pozdrowienia.

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From: roman@hri.com (Roman Budzianowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Oplata za Studia oraz Program Spoleczny Rzadu
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: roman@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.031105.136536@ua1ix.ua.edu>, lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha) writes:

> Mam jeszcze kilka innych pytan:

> Czy inicjatorzy tych reform deklarowali to w programach wyborczych do Sejmu 
> swoich partii z ramienia ktorych dostali sie do rzadu ?
> 
> Moze ktos pamieta ktora partia polityczna przy wyborach
> parlamentarnych opowiadala sie za platna opieka lekarska i wyzsza edukacja?

> Jarek  

Ktos musi za to placic. Czy uwazasz, ze spoleczenstwo jest gotowe sie opodatkowac, aby placic
za studia kazdemu kto ma na to ochote ? Jezeli tak to nie ma problemu. Politycy powinny
zaproponowac zwiekszenie podatku, Sejm by zatwierdzil, ludzie by placili i studia bylyby za
darmo. Natomiast jezeli spoleczenstwo nie chce sie opodatkowac na ten cel, to pozyczki sa
napewno lepsze niz nic.

Roman
Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:2978 soc.culture.jewish:16994
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Polish complicity - Jewish complicity 
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:50:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.190353.338@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.165003.9799@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:

>>Now, as for bombing the camp, this might also have caused great loss of
>>life to the prisoners there at the time.  

>If the allies really knew what was going on at the camp, then it would
>be assumed that any inmates were "already dead".  This being the case,
>it would be appropriate to bomb the camp because:

But it wasn't the case!  There were lots of intelligence reports, but
details were scarce.

>   1) Any prisoners who would be killed in a bombing raid would be
>      killed in the gas chambers anyway, any survivors would therefor be
>      a net gain in human life saved.

Wrong.  Auschwitz was also a huge labor camp.  Many of the people 
imprisoned there were not meant to die except of exhaustion.

>   2) Destroying the extermination facilities would save the lives of
>      people who had not yet arrived at the camp, but who would later
>      arrive and loose their lives there.

Fine, assuming one knew of the plans to transport more Jews, the
dimensions of the effort, the precise locations of extermination
facilities.  Did the Allies know all this?  Wouldtheir bombing have been
effective even if they had?

Roger
>
>In war, it is always expected that some lives (military personel,
>civilians, etc) will be lost.  Bombing the camps would have slowed if
>not stopped the rate of extermination of Jews, Poles, POWs, etc.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: lbs@tkmhp2.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Subject: Re: Sprawy gospodarcze - prywatny i panstwowy
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:23:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.141508.15426@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.163153.2537@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.164445.16471@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) writes:
>>>Here is a who's who of Polish politics.
>>>
>>> [...] crap deleted
>>
>> Our zealot spoke again.
>
>Just those two sentences make the rest of your article a simple garbage
>to me. I have impression that you are trying just to tease him.

 Correct :-) 

>Interestingly nobody reacted when Jack used "suczkowska" name for our
>premier, but react at once when he simply states his views.
>
>> [...]
>
>> Have fun,
>> Lech Borkowski
>
>I really would have, if it would come at the right time.
>But again, these are only my views.
>Sorry I did not laugh this time. :-)

 You didn't have to :-) It would be really bad if all of us
had the same sense of humor.
 
 Jack is absolutely free to do whatever he is doing. 
It seems to me that he sees a communist conspiracy everywhere.
Personally, I have doubts about his knowledge of reality in Poland.
Or does he work for CIA or Mr. S.T.? :-)
Maybe we should ask Jack to tell us, who *is not* a communist
agent and whom he would vote for in the Polish presidential
elections or what political party he would support in Poland.
Could it be that Jack would vote for citizen T. in the last
presidential elections in Poland? :-)

 And now let me say it explicitly: Jack has his own opinions and
I have mine. If I went too far in trying to make fun 
of his statements, sorry. 

>Mariusz

 Leszek Borkowski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Keywords: "The Protocols" ; Writing polish in scj
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:55:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <matthew.717472103@munna> matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
M.Orski writes:
>>An example : I spent a weekend in Warsaw in march 1992. I happened to live in a
>>hotel next to a church. The church had a bookshop. In the window of this bookshop
>>I noticed "The Protocols of the Elders of Sion" (correct english name?) in polish.
>>Polish friends told me the local priest of this church is known to be extremely
>>anti-semitic.

>
>
>What was the content of the book you mention? Did you read it? Or do
>you habitually judge books by their covers?
>
>Have you ever talked with the priest who you say "is known to be
>extremely anti-semitic", based merely on second-hand reports? Is he
>really?  Maybe he is, but I'd like some evidence before I put him in
>this category.
>
>
>MB

Chcialem skomentowac prywatnie, ale poczta jakos nie dochodzi do
Twego adresu, robie wiec publicznie:

Czyzbys sadzil, ze ksiazka o tytule "Protokoly medrcow Syjonu"
zawierala nowe tlumaczenie psalmow? Mam nadzieje, ze wiesz
o czym traktuja "Protokoly medrcow Syjonu" (choc nie jestem taki
pewny). Niestety jakis pozbawiony skrupulow wydawca opublikowal
niedawno owa ksiazeczke w kraju. Dziwi mnie tylko, ze tego typu 
pozycja znalazla sie w przykoscielnym sklepie - da sie to
swietnie wytlumaczyc antysemityzmem owego ksiedza. Ponadto
jak wynika z tekstu, przyjaciele autorki potwierdzili, iz 
istotnie ksiadz ow ma antysemickie poglady. Czy gdybys zobaczyl
w Sklepie antysemicka literature i znajomy powiedzial Ci, ze
kierownik sklepu to antysemita, nie uwierzylbys ?

Z przyjemnoscia napisalbym list do biskupa diecezji owego ksiedza...


--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania |Due to circumstances beyond
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                |your fate and captain of your soul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha)
Subject: Oplata za Studia oraz Program Spoleczny Rzadu
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:11:05 GMT



Ostatnie DONOSY podaja ze Ministerstwo Edukacji ma zamiar wprowadzic
OPLATE ZA STUDIA WYZSZE. Maja byc rowniez kredyty dla tych ktorych nie stac. 



Tak, zwlaszcza te kredyty sa zabawne. Ciekawe ile taki magister
czy inzynier mieliby zarabiac po studiach aby zwrocic ten kredyt.
Pensja sprzataczki i nauczyciela byly porownywalne w PRLu -w obydwu przypadkach
starczaly na wegetacje. Mam wrazenie ze niewiele sie w tym zakresie zmienilo
na lepsze...

Zawsze mi sie wydawalo ze darmowa opieka lekarska i edukacja
to jedne (jedyne ?) z najlepszych rzeczy w komunie. Teraz i to znika,
gdyz program spoleczny kapitalizmu XIX wieku takich fanaberii nie zawieral.
Przyszle elity intelektualne narodu maja byc wszak oparte
na synach i corkach naszej nowej klasy kapitalistycznej. 
Oplaty za studia zapewnia ze zadna biedna cholota plotac sie na uniwersytcie
nie bedzie. 


A propos, ciekaw jestem kiedy to polskie spoleczenstwo opowiedzialo sie za
platna edukacja ? Czyzbysmy ostatnio mieli jakies referendum w tej sprawie?



Mam jeszcze kilka innych pytan:

Czy inicjatorzy tych reform deklarowali to w programach wyborczych do Sejmu 
swoich partii z ramienia ktorych dostali sie do rzadu ?

Moze ktos pamieta ktora partia polityczna przy wyborach
parlamentarnych opowiadala sie za platna opieka lekarska i wyzsza edukacja?

Ktorej to partii program spoleczny obecny rzad realizuje ?    
-- "Skad przychodzimy" to wszyscy wiedza, ale "Dokad zmierzamy"?

Demokracja po polsku wydaje sie byc kpina ze spoleczenstwa.
Obietnicami i deklaracjami przedwyborczymi nikt sobie nie zawraca glowy 
- "panowie korzystajmy z okazji" jest chyba tym haslem przewodnim.
Cztery lata to tak wiele, zwlaszcza gdy sie majatek narodowy programowo
parceluje. Ups przepraszam,  prywatyzuje.


Jarek
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Ultimas ca' do burgo...
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:06:01 GMT
Organization: INESC

*) Hoje acaba o monopolio da RTP: a SIC (Sociedade Independente de Comunicacao)
comeca as emissoes regulares da TV privada. O filme de hoje e' "A guerra das
Rosas" (NB! boa escolha...).
Numa tentativa de combater a concorrencia, a RTP tem inundado as ondas
hertezianas com o pior que ha' de programacao: concursos, telenovelas e
publicidade. Os horarios raramente sao cumpridos, e a programacao prolonga-se
pela noite fora. Os telejornais tb adoptaram a versao americana/inglesa da
noticias, i.e. com uma forte componente sensacionalista (com pitadas de "faca
e alguidar").

Enfim, a "qualidade" a que temos direito...

*) Situacao em Angola torna-se mais tensa. Os elementos da UNITA integrantes das
novas FA's anunciaram o abandono.
Todos os partidos para alem do MPLA alegaram fraudes, embora a radio apenas
publique os protestos da UNITA (NB! sera' que Angola e' apenas MPLA e UNITA, ou
apenas uma tentativa de virar o odio da populacao por causa da hipotese do
regresso de guerra?). Observadores nao reconhecem fraude generalisada nas
eleicoes. A UNITA tem sofrido pressoes internacionais para reconhecimento dos
resultados.
Entretanto, os ultimos resultados dao uma vitoria a Eduardo dos Santos por
escassa margem (cerca de 51%), contra 39% de Savimbi (NB! talvez a UNITA esteja
a pressionar para uma segunda volta das presidenciais). O problema de votos nulos
(cerca de 10%) tem sido levantado com grande insistencia: varios votantes, em vez
de colocarem a cruz no quadrado respectivo preferiram colocar a marca do dedo na
figura, seguindo um costume local de marcacao de casamento. A UNITA reinvidica a
contagem dos votos brancos.

All the best...

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From: joao+@cs.cmu.edu (Joao Costeira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Experiencia, post vazio.
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:38:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bv9801.GGG.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

E' so' uma experiencia!
-- 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: emct53@castle.ed.ac.uk (T Matias)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Receita: Pao-de-lo de Alfazeirao
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:22:31 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.portuguese
Organization: Edinburgh University

Ca vai mais uma receitazinha para abrir o apetite. E bastante simples e
relativamente rapida:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                   PAO-DE-LO DE ALFAZEIRAO

Ingredientes:

2 ovos + 6 gemas
100 gr de acucar
50 gr de farinha

Preparacao:

Forrar uma forma com papel vegetal.

Bater os 2 ovos inteiros com o acucar ate obter uma mistura
esbranquicada. Juntar aos poucos as gemas previamente desfeitas e
bater tudo durante cerca de 10 minutos com o batedor electrico ou 20
minutos com o manual.

Juntar depois a farinha sem bater, envolvendo-a cuidadosamente na
massa. Deitar a massa na forma e levar ao forno previamente aquecido
(gas - 7, temperatura - 225C) durante 10 minutos.

Nos primeiros minutos pode-se mexer o centro do bolo com um garfo
(ligeiramente) para ajudar a manter o centro liquido).

Retirar do forno e desenformar. Pode manter-se o bolo no papel
vegetal.

  Nota para quem nunca viu um pao-de-lo de Alfazeirao: A ideia e
  obter um bolo que colapse no centro e fique com uma especie de ovos
  moles ai por isso nao entrem em panico se o vosso bolo ficar um
  tanto enrugado e baixinho no centro. E mesmo assim!

Esta receita baseia-se na publicada no livro "Cozinha Tradicional
Portuguesa" e foi testada por mim antes de publicada aqui (esta foi so
para vos fazer inveja ;-)

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From: JRGS@db1.cc.rochester.edu (JORGE SOARES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Timor na TV
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:30:05 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


 So hoje soube do documentario sobre Timor, ou seja, ja 'e tarde demais.
Agradecia que se alguem o tiver gravado me contactar pois eu gostaria de ver o
programa. 
 Claro que se for possivel copiar a cassete e enviar-ma eu amocho com o papel.
  Obrigado e um abraco
    Jorge Soares
From: JRGS@db1.cc.rochester.edu (JORGE SOARES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: ao Borbinha
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:17:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Pois, pois ... Agora vem-te desculpar.
Se os Republicanos souberem acabas na Casa Branca.

 Tchau
Jorge Soares
From: ja2v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joao S Albuquerque)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Noticias
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:11:11 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Nao sei se estou a mandar o tipo de noticias certas. Parece-me que ando
a concentrar-me demais em escandalos, poucas vergonhas, e coisas
economicas. Nao sei o que o pessoal por ai gosta mais de ler. Por isso
agradecia sugestoes. So me recuso a escrever resultados de futebol.


Ah. Ja me esquecia. A Loja das Meias vai investir numa fabrica na Hungria.

Yours   Joao.
From: jb00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSE ANTONIO BASTO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: USA: E. Timor at the DISC channel - 5:00PM (EST)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:30:58 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The documentarie "COLD BLOOD - THE MASSACRE OF EAST TIMOR", from Yorkshire  TV
(GB) is to be showed today for the first time in USA.

If you have cable TV, get "The Discovery Channel" at 5:00 PM today (Saturday)
or 2:00 AM tomorrow (Sunday).

This is a independent view of the struggle of East Timor people against his
powerful neighbor Indonesia, that had cost 1/3 of its population (> 200 000
deaths) in 16 years of occupation.

See with your own eyes the way the resistance lives in the jungle,
the last words ofindependence fighters recorded (some of then had been shoot
at the 12 November massacre), the peaceful demonstration and the cruel
violence of the Indonesian army on assassinating the East Timorese
demonstrators.

Jose' Basto
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Phone :(215)758-1846; Office:(215)758-4640;  FAX:(215)758-4886   U.S.A.
From: lmg@natinst.com (Louis Gomes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: timor
Date: 5 Oct 1992 09:42:48 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

Algue'm me pode dizer os nomes e a que instituic,oe~s pertencem os
jornalistas que captaram o massacre de Timor? Eu acho que um(a)
pertence `a NPR e o(a) outro(a) ao New Yorker, mas na~o tenho bem a
certeza, e na~o quero dar bacorada...

Obrigado,

luis.
From: msilva@mercenary.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Mario J. Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: David e Golias
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:04:25
Organization: UC Berkeley
Reply-To: msilva@cs.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: mercenary.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jlb@thor.inesc.pt's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:19:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.151954.3138@inesc.pt> jlb@thor.inesc.pt (Jose' Luis B. Borbinha) writes:
   : In article <xafz8jn@rpi.edu> lima@moon.ral.rpi.edu (Pedro Lima) writes:
   : >	Curiosamente, o New York Times trazia nessa mesma manha~, na
   : >u'ltima pa'gina de cada um dos seus 4 cadernos, um anu'ncio/saudac,a~o
   : >ao Presidente Suharto, realc,ando a sua governac,a~o exemplar da Indone'sia,
   : >a toda a extensa~o da pa'gina, pago (cada um deles) por companhias
   : >americanas como a Chevron, Texaco, Mobil e outras, quase todas ligadas
   : >`a explorac,a~o petroli'fera e de ga's natural.
   : >
   : >	No comments.
   : 
   : 	Isso tem um nome... Hipocrisia....
   : 

   Ha' quem lhe chame "a nova ordem mundial" (alias, analizando a estrategia
   dos nossos governos relativamente a este assunto so se pode concluir que
   na realidade e' um espirito que nao anda assim tao longe).

   -- 
    Jose' Luis B. Borbinha | INESC - Inst. de Eng. de Sistemas e Computadores

No dia seguinte o New York Times voltou em editorial a questao de
Timor. Nao li. Mas segundo me relataram a mensagem era "voces podem
comprar qtos anuncios quiserem, mas nunca nos iremos calar sobre o
massacre de Timor".


Mario.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: cmsa@eniac.inesc.pt (Carlos Azevedo)
Subject: Re: ao Borbinha
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:45:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.131723.8198@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> JRGS@db1.cc.rochester.edu (JORGE SOARES) writes:
>Pois, pois ... Agora vem-te desculpar.
>Se os Republicanos souberem acabas na Casa Branca.
>
> Tchau
>Jorge Soares 
> 
Com bocas dessas so falta dizer que e's do fcp 

Carlos Azevedo



Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto)
Subject: Existe algo alem de futebol em Portugal?
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:55:08 GMT



Alo todos

Sera que poderiamos trocar o assunto de futebol
para qualquer outro?


Xico
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: Noticias
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:10:37 GMT
Organization: INESC

In article <senuEza00iV0Q4rGxR@andrew.cmu.edu>, ja2v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joao S Albuquerque) writes:
> Nao sei se estou a mandar o tipo de noticias certas. Parece-me que ando
> a concentrar-me demais em escandalos, poucas vergonhas, e coisas
> economicas. Nao sei o que o pessoal por ai gosta mais de ler. Por isso
> agradecia sugestoes. So me recuso a escrever resultados de futebol.
> 
> Yours   Joao.

O comportamento dos leitores da soc.culture.portuguese e' uma copia do
comportamento dos leitores da Lek-net/Lusa-net: imensos leitores e poucos
intervenientes...

A grande maioria dos estudantes portugueses no estrangeiro gosta de ler as
noticias (politica, escandalos, football, "bocas", etc.). A recepcao `as
anedotas e' variavel (geralmente sao contra as piadas de "mau gosto"). O mais
curioso e' o (enorme) pavor que teem de afirmar coisas na rede! Nem sei como
vao conseguir defender a tese na hora H...
Quanto ao football, a rede esta' mais cheia de "filosofos da bola" do que
pessoas interessadas noutros tipos de assuntos. Logo, nao te preocupes com isso.

Mando apenas uns "palpites" de como enviar noticias.

*) Evita noticias longas! As pessoas nao teem paciencia para ler muitos
paragrafos juntos. Manda o essencial e esquece os detalhes. Os leitores preferem
pequenos erros de omissao a longos textos explanativos.

*) Algumas "pitadas" sao sempre uteis no texto. Eu proprio costumo enviar NB's
que sao "bocas" minhas e que refletem as ideias pessoais e criticas.

*) Envia sempre que possivel os "reply" por via directa. Nada pior do que
discussoes sobre assuntos estereis numa rede publica!

*) Lembrar de vez em quando que tens dezenas (centenas?) de ouvidos abertos, mas
o numero de pessoas a exprimir e' infimo. Consideres que se trata apenas de uma
"consciencia" muda...

All the best...

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