HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Subject: Far Side
Keywords: funny
Reply-To: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Organization: Oceans & Ice Branch, NASA/GSFC/STX
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:57:12 GMT


	I have been noticing a rather bizarre trend in the Far Side
recently.  Is it just me or has the Far Side actually been *funny*
of late?  Like this morning (9/28), the wolf (of fairy tale fame)
is suing the pig who lived in the brick house because the wolf
is an endangered species and the pig is "a walking side of ham".
That was great!

pat

--
"I have a cunning plan." -- Baldritch
                                                             patrick m. ryan
     nasa / goddard space flight center / oceans and ice branch / hughes stx
                     pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov / zmpmr@charney.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu (Breakin Two)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Doonesbury/Trudeau archives of any sort?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:20:07 GMT


Does anyone know of an FTP site containing, or have online themselves,
any Doonesbury-related stuff, ie one of the rare interviews with
Trudeau, anything about his hiatus in the 80's, etc?  I have turned
into an addict recently-- I had 2 of the six collections, read them,
wanted more, and bought the other four in the space of a month.
But I won't buy the medium-sized ones, (ie WHAT IS IT TINK, IS PAN IN TROUBLE?)
because they get reprinted in the great big ones eventually.

please email ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu 

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Puddin' Tame (Re: Far Side)
Keywords: Puddin' Tame????!!!
Organization: Moi?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:48:58 GMT

There's a really obnoxious kiddie-chant (this distinguishes it from all the
sweet ones, like "Johnny's Got a Girl Friend! Nyaaah, nyaah-nyaah nyahh nyaah!"
of course) which goes:
"What's my name?  Puddin' Tame.  Ask me again and I'll tell you the same.
  "     "    "      "       "     "   "   "    "   "     "   "   "   "   "
and so forth, forever.
-- 
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? (computer lettering)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.031832.10629@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>	John Byrne uses a font that he designed to letter his issues of Next
>Men.  I believe the explanation was in issue one or two...
>

I believe he uses the same font to letter _She-Hulk_. About a year ago, Bob
Burden and Roxanne Starr developed a font to simulate Roxanne's lettering,
and that is now used in _Flaming Carrot_.

>	I am surprised that comic book companies still imploy letterers when a
>graphic artist at a computer could just print the words and glue them to the 
>artwork.
>

I suspect there are three reasons why letterers aren't extinct:
   1)  Most letterers *only* do lettering. To replace them with a computer
       is to completely eliminate a profession. That sort of thing usually
       doesn't happen too quickly.
   2)  The traditional order of putting the material on the page of a comic
       book is as follows:  pencils, letters, inks, and finally colors. While
       the coloring (when it's done manually) is (typically) done on reduced
       photostats of pages, lettering and inking is done on the same bristol
       board where the pencils were done. Having lettering stuck all over the
       page (yes, I realize you don't need an individual piece for each
       letter...there are still a lot of distinct areas where lettering shows
       up on a page, especially when you consider sound effects) would get to
       be a major hassle for the inker.
   3)  Most importantly, such a method is difficult to implement. For a
       comic strip, it wouldn't be too bad, because you can just design a
       single font (in medium and bold) to take care of 99%+ of your needs.
       However, most comic books would need more than one font, so that the
       varying styles in sound effects (and there are *lots* of them) and
       incidental lettering (on background buildings, newspapers, television
       screens, etc.). Many fonts would need to be created, and implemented
       in ways which are a chore on a computer, but which are fairly routine
       when done by hand. (And in some cases, such as _Cerebus_, you'd even
       need multiple fonts and tricks just for the word balloons!)

>	Torsten at Omaha
>

I'm sorry if anyone felt this was irrelevant to r.a.c.strips; I thought it
would be of at least marginal interest to many people here. 

   gLITTOfERN
glitto@iastate.edu
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Die!Die!Die!Bil Keane!Die!
Summary: Die Bil Keane
Keywords: Die! Bil Keane
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:23:10 GMT

Just wanted to get that off my chest. As to this notion of Bil Keane
having an inspiration, let alone an idea, that's probably the only
laugh that dullard has ever given me. His illustrations are as lifeless
as his brain. I wish my local paper would give over the space now used
for FC (Fatuous Crap) to something with more merit like a Cold-Sore-of-
the-Week contest. 

Undisputed Dean of American Comic Art? Is this guy for real? I sometimes
wish I believed in hell so I could revel in the thought of Keane's torment
there. He, his offspring, and his devotees should do us all a big favor
and get the hell out of the gene pool now!

If you find humor in FC, then you wouldn't know funny if it hit you in
the face with a herring.

 
--
_________________________________________________  /\_/\  _________________
Matthew  B.  Hicks     | Unidata Program Center | ((ovo))  The spotted owl:
matt@unidata.ucar.edu  | UCAR, PO Box 3000      | ():::()  the other "other
 303/497-8676	        | Boulder, CO 80307-3000 |   VVV    white meat."
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Peanuts & Calvin (was Re: Happy Birthday Bil!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:09:21 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


	I don't know how this thread got started, but I have to agree
with previous posters that C&H owes a lot to Peanuts.  I often find
myself reminded of Peanuts when reading a book of C&H strips.  Not so
much specific instances, but I get the feeling that they have a lot in
common.  How could someone who grew up with the joy of Peanuts (as I
feel I did) help but be influenced when writing his own strip?
	Sadly, I must also agree that Peanuts is just not the same as
years past (like twenty years).  But there is still considerably more
than a glimmer of the literate, adult humour which madekes Charlie Brown
and the gang such great fun to read in the past.
	BTW, how can I find _books_ of Peanuts strips?  Are any still in
print?  Thanks.
	- Gord Locke, also known as glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca .
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Doonesbury small format Vs Large format (was Re: Doonesbury...archives
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:11:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <thos.717888968@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <1992Sep30.025636.4273@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:

>All the collections miss some strips from the appropriate smaller books.
>On occasions, entire story lines are omitted - cf. 'Unfortunately, she was
>also wired for sound', the title quote of which is about Mike's uncle who
>gets caught trying to bribe an official. That was left completely out of
>either 'The People's Doonesbury' or 'The Doonesbury Dossier'.
>
>IMHO, to be a fan, you must eventually collect all of the books, as there is
>no other way to get all the strips. In fact, I have a gut feeling that even
>the small format books don't have all the strips. Does anyone have concrete
>proof of this?

	No concrete proof, but it should be pretty clear just LOOKING at the
books.  A two-page section which is pretty clearly supposed to be a week will
often contain only four or five strips instead of six.  I don't know why this
is; perhaps Trudeau's such a complete liberal he doesn't think anyone should be
happy (DON'T FLAME ME IT'S A JOKE!!!!!!!).

					-Jay
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: daniel@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (D N Crow)
Subject: Re: Far Side
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:31:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: csgi63.leeds.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BvF6Jt.C1p@cda.mrs.umn.edu>, luhmanjp@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Joe Luhman) writes:
> 
> I dont know about where you live, but up here in Minnesota, Larson in BIG.   
> Almost everyone I know reads his comics, buy his collections, etc.  I thought  
> he was popular everywhere.  Maybe I need to get out of this state more...
> 	So what does everyone else feel about the Far Side?  Is it popular in  
> your neck of the woods??
> 

Well, in the last, let's think, three or four years, The Far Side has become
very popular over here in the UK. It is appearing regularly in at least one
national newspaper, and Far Side collections and paraphenalia are to be found
pretty much everywhere.

-- 
Dan Crow
daniel@scs.leeds.ac.uk
From: gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Peanuts & Calvin (was Re: Happy Birthday Bil!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:00:06 GMT
Organization: UB

walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>And btw--anyone who puts down Charles Schultz but claims to love CALVIN AND
>HOBBES hasn't been paying enough attention.  Note especially Calvin's
>classroom scenes, where the debt is blindingly obvious.

Absolutely, if you had to pick an immediate predecessor/inspiration for C&H I
think it would have to be Peanuts. Sure there are parts that come from other
strips and of course Watterson's fertile imagination, but the immediate style
and spirit owes a lot to Schulz.

However, the bashing of Schulz that seems to go on around here is of his 
current work. I think very few people who care would question the talent of 
C.S. in his prime. However, there is definitely a case to be made for his
having "lost it." I would certainly take an average week of early Peanuts to a 
average month of current peanuts. 

If B.W. has startend something new by then, I could easily see C&H reaching a
very lackluster and bashable state in another 30 years.

>Joe Walker
>walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu

Gerson Koenig
gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Die!Die!Die!Bil Keane!Die!
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:27:42 GMT
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) says:

>Just wanted to get that off my chest. As to this notion of Bil Keane
>having an inspiration, let alone an idea, that's probably the only
>laugh that dullard has ever given me. His illustrations are as lifeless
>as his brain. I wish my local paper would give over the space now used
>for FC (Fatuous Crap) to something with more merit like a Cold-Sore-of-
>the-Week contest. 
>
>Undisputed Dean of American Comic Art? Is this guy for real? I sometimes
>wish I believed in hell so I could revel in the thought of Keane's torment
>there. He, his offspring, and his devotees should do us all a big favor
>and get the hell out of the gene pool now!
>
>If you find humor in FC, then you wouldn't know funny if it hit you in
>the face with a herring.

     Your satire is certainly biting; if you really believe we are all
worthless, though, that would eliminate a lot of people, including large parts
of Baltimore - I seem to recall that FC is the 2nd or 3rd most popular comic
strip there, according to a survey posted on this very newsgroup a while
back. (It was the Baltimore Sun.)  I suggest that perhaps it is you who is
in the minority.
     It's okay, though - I still like you as a person, just like I like
everyone.  I think people like me, who respect the values of love, kindness,
and generosity can find humor in the little things, like the funny things that
kids do, a little easier, just as I seem to enjoy the little things in
life, like birds chirping on a sunny morning, a little more than some
people I know.  It's not what things are joyous - it's where you choose to
find joy.  You don't choose to find it in little pieces of comedy that
arise from one's everyday life and family - that's fine.  Just don't say
that we're terrible because we do.
     This is my last post on Bil Keane in this series of posts.  I'll be
too busy with schoolwork anyway, no doubt.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Bil!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:46:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dx@netcom.com (dx) says:

>Today (10/5/92) is the 70th birthday of the undisputed Dean of American
>Comic Art, Bil Keane.  Happy birthday Bil!
>
>-dx
>

HOW COME DEPARTMENT (<- stolen from Halto's History??????)

A few years back there was a strip that supposedly parodied the Keane family
life.  Billy (his real son) got married.  The Sunday strip showed Billy and
a Girl simultaneously thinking (as kids) who they were going to marry.  I 
think it also stated that the real Billy was actually tieing the knot.
Now to my point - Is Mr. Keane really 70 (or was the original post a joke)?
Did Mr. Keane wait until his 40's to have kids?   Did Billy get married in his 
30's or 40's (I didn't get this impression from the aforementioned strip)?
As an aside - Why does Mr. Keane still show strips drawn by 5 year old Billy?


Oh yeah - I read the strip.  It's way better than things like Andy Capp and
it makes more sense than "The Far Side".  (Every month or so I do get a 
laugh out of "The Far Side".)

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: NORB, the book
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.717522866

hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil (Dan Hoey) writes:

>But no one understood.  They just thought
>the strip was trying to make them feel stupid.  Daniel Pinkwater said,
>``The hate mail was extreme.  There was no positive mail at all except
>two letters, one each from Jules Feiffer and Chaim Potok.''

Which means it's time to restate McIrvin's Law of Comic Strips: 
The easiest way to offend the public is to print something they don't get.
-- 
Matt McIrvin, posting nonsense again
From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? (computer lettering)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:22:15 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

Speaking of lettering, I've been noticing an awful lot of horrible spelling
and grammatical errors in the daily strips lately.  Most recent -- this
week one strip used the phrase "would of" instead of "would have".

Would you blame this sort of thing on the letterers or on the author
(or on his editor)?

(egad, it's a comic-strip spelling flame :-)
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Bil!
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:39:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.222653.12719@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>Today (10/5/92) is the 70th birthday of the undisputed Dean of American
>Comic Art, Bil Keane.  Happy birthday Bil!

Oh, goody!  More strips by Billy, age 70!  I can't wait!

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,rec.games.trivia,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: THE DEFINITIVE PEANUTS LIST
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:37:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Letters I've gotten so far (I'm posting this as a summary and to avoid
more repeats):

-----
From andyi@world.std.com Tue Oct  6 03:19:05 1992 (Andy G Ihnatko)

Possibly include Bill Mauldin, the WWII cartoonist with whom Snoopy quaffs root
beer every Veterans' Day?

-----
From blofgren@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Tue Oct  6 09:23:04 1992
(Brent M. Lofgren)

The birds are Woodstock (of course), Conrad, Bill, and Olivier (I'm
pretty sure it's as in Laurence).
I think the guy from camp who likes Marcie that you were referring to is
named Cormac.  He appeared in yesterday's strip.

I was glad to see that you had included Roy.  I played Roy in a high
school production of "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown", and I had never
heard of him.  It was just a chorus part, but I had a name, anyway.

-----
From panda@syrinx.umd.edu Tue Oct  6 09:55:05 1992 (Lisa Wolfisch Nyman)

In article <1aqngtINNivt@bigboote.WPI.EDU> you write:
>-the other birds (at least one is missing)

olivier

-----
From bell@cs.tamu.edu Tue Oct  6 15:17:53 1992 (Will Bell)

The other bird was named Olivier. I'll send some more as I remember them.
All my CB books are at home 3 hrs away!

-----

Thanks to all who wrote in.

The list is still incomplete. Try to round up your Peanuts books so we
can all have the list to end all lists!

EMAIL ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, ETC. TO padutton@wpi.wpi.edu

A greatly-expanded Version 1.1 to follow...

Peter!
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Trudeau and the draft
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct1.192727.27789
Organization: Western Washington University


Doonesbury fans might be interested in two articles by Garry Trudeau
that appeared on the Op Ed page of the NY Times on Wednesday Sept
30 (it could have been Tuesday...I had both papers at the  breakfast table
today).  In a backhanded defense of Clinton's mumbling he wrote 1) the
"official" version he has told for twenty years of how he (G.T.) avoided
the draft and then 2) the truer-to-life version he discovered by
checking the records, talking to relatives, etc.  The point being, I
suppose, that nobody is going to be clear on that sort of detail
twenty years later.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: vanichth@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mitri Van)
Subject: Batman: TV series
Keywords: Batman TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:03:59 GMT

Hey, I just saw the preview for Tuesday's episode of Batman TAS, and I was
wondering... did I miss the episode that they introduce Robin???

They show clips of him in the preview, and I was wondering whether they
introduced him previously, or were gonna do it during the episode.


-- Mitri
   vanichth@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.folklore.computers,comp.misc
From: erspert@athena.mit.edu (Ellen R. Spertus)
Subject: Re: Needed: Source for Computer comics/cartoons
Keywords: comics cartoons computer
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:06:11 GMT

The are some good cartoons in _A Far Better World_, published by
Microsoft Press.
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RIP  r.a.comics   d. 9.30.92
Date: 1 Oct 1992 06:00:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Old newsgroups don't die, they just fade away...

This makes post #73193 on this system.  Anyone have a higher 
  number?  PS  When idd r.a.comics getr created - (for both
  net.comics and r.a.comics, that is)?

  - dead.net.spy!  (ag541@yfn.ysu.edu)

PS  BONE, by Jeff Smith.
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman rebirth
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:52:37 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep28.131419.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> This is an attempt to reply to David A. Z.....I hate this system......
> 
> Ok, if all of Post-Crisis didn't exist...then why does everyone remember Barry
> Allen? And Dove (the first one)? And a number of the heroes who died? And if
> only the post-Crisis Crisis is remembered, then what about all the people who
> remember considerably more of the Crisis than red skies and one battle (which
> almost none of the heroes who took part seem to remember)? see my previous post
> and the followups for that thread.
> Basically, Crisis is a huge mess. It did _not_ create a consistant DC Universe,
> because every time the people on high lay down a ground rule, they allow some
> enterprising writer to break it. (2 words: "Time Travel.") 
> I think Supergirl may not have existed...but after Ganthet's Tale I'm keeping
> my mind open. And I can't wait to get the Crisis TP so I can reread the damn
> thing and try and figure some of this out!
> 
> shade,
> jonathan.
People tend to remember some people who died in crisis. Barry Allen still 
exists in post Crisis, he's just dead. Super-Girl and all the redundent 
earth two characters ceased to exist (I define redundent as being the same 
person the original Green Lantern and the original Flash were not the same 
people as there earth-one counterparts). Other than that it becomes a case 
by case basis. 

--Marc Seebass
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: rec.arts.comics deathwatch.  r.a.c. to be rmgrouped Sept. 30
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:33:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It's scant hours until rec.arts.comics disappears!  I highly rec-
ommend everyone switch over to the new heirarchy, and start new
dicussions THERE instead of here.  The new heirarchy is:

rec.arts.comics.info
rec.arts.comics xbooks
rec.arts.comics.marketplace
rec.arts.comics.strips
rec.arts.comics.misc

NOTE:  r.a.comics won't really "disappear" - it will just slowly
  fade away as more and more systems drop it from their feed.
  Take a look at rec.arts.startrek, for example - there are 
  still several systems out there that have that newsgroup
  (including this one), even though it ceased to exist several
  months ago.  Granted, the volume there is just a pale 
  fraction of what it used to be (excluding Vidiod's clueless
  posts)...

 - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)

Say - anyone missing out on BONE by Jeff Smith is missing a great 
  book!  It's the best thing since unsliced bread.  - net.spy! 
  says, "check t out".