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From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: Mac IIsi/IIci vs Amiga 4000
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:35:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.223506.6485@bain3.bain.oz.au> carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
>> on screen as standard. But, as far as the grunt goes, the Macs (either 
>> of these or the new VFx I think - the 40Mhz '030 - correct me if I'm
>> wrong) cannot match the A4000. After all you get an '040 system. 
>> The speed increase is around 3.5 times over the 25Mhz '030.
>> Also, the price is in favour of the A4000. To get the Macs it would cost 
>> you a similar price to getting the A4000 (even at $1000 less, can you
>
>a store and buy one???? I am ready and waiting for the machine, I've even seen
>a photo on the cover of a Euro magazine, but EVERY store I ring draws a
>blank on the new machines............
>
>	At least you can buy a bloody Mac(or whatever) NOW, not next year.:(

Well, if C= Australia pull their finger out the new machine will hopefu
lly be here before the New Year.

Nik.


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: samlor@csis.dit.csiro.au (Sam Lor)
Subject: AmigaDOS 2.05 problem - HELP please
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:38:19 GMT

This is probably an old problem so I thought I'd ask OZ before the rest
of the world. I am a bit of a novice and I purchased an A2000 not long
ago and I find that some older pre DOS 2.05 software doesn't work and
they produce the same kind of errors. I get a requester at the top left
corner which looks like this:

 __________________________________
|                                  |
| <program name>                   |
| Program Failed (error #80000003) |
| Wait for disk activity to finish |
|                                  |
|  -------                 ------  |
| |Suspend|               |Reboot| |
|  -------                 ------  |
 ----------------------------------

It always gives the "Program failed ... Wait for disk activity to finish"
message. This is happening with many different software but always this
same error. To make it a little clearer my A2000 doesn't have the
standard C= HD controller (2091 I think it's called) that comes with the
A2000HD. In fact I had the dealer remove the HD+controller and sell the
A2000HD to me without the HD so that I could put my GVP HC+8 series II
controler in it with a SCSI 50MB quantum HD mounted on the card (This
gives me the 8MB memory expansion of which 4MB is populated). Anyway my
question is: is it my set-up that is giving these errors (everything else
seems to work OK) or is some backwards incompatibility with DOS 2.05
that is causing older programs (written for DOS 1.2, 1.3) to crash? Is
this something everybody already knows about and I'm just plain ignorant
and if so how do I get around it? I called the dealer but he only sells
these things and he said, in his totally uninformed opinion, that quote
"It is always a problem with going to new versions that there will be
some small incompatibilities with older sofware" but fat lota good that
does me. So please help me. What's the problem? How can I get around it?

e-mail me your responses if you like, although this newsgroup doesn't
seem to be over cluttered I guess you could just post it for the benefit
of all. Thanx.

-Sam

sam.lor@csis.dit.csiro.au                       System Administrator
CSIRO Division of Information Technology        Computing Facilities Management
GPO Box 664                                     Tel: +61 6 275 0956
Canberra ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA                     Fax: +61 6 257 1052

This is a personal posting and as you are well aware my views are entirely
my own and do not reflect those of my employer in anyway whatsoever.
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.(Warranty length)
Reply-To: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:45:16 GMT

In article 21568@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au, ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler) writes:
>In article <thecure.721305780@munagin>, thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:
>|> amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith) writes:
>|> >tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker) writes:
>|> >>In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
>|> 
>|> This has since changed, and now the industry standard (home computer)
>|> 1 year warranty applies on all accesories.
>
>I don't know about Melbourne, but round here nearly all the PC clone shops
>are offering 2 to 3 year warranties! Since the A4000 is meant to be of better
>quality than a noname PC wouldn't it have a longer warranty? Although I have
>just been told that Apple only give one year.

The real question is will they be a) still be doing buisiness in 2-3 years
				  b) honour the warranty in 2-3 years.

Most computers are not 100 % reliable so these chaps a really slitting their own throats.


>Oh well, at least APpLe ship machines to customers, C= seem to hide them :-(

Well C= Australia is pretty slow off the mark but in Europe everything becomes available
very quickly. I wonder why ?

>
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George.
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Canon BJ-130 Printer Driver
From: 9122069g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Tri Darkstar)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:35:18 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I just borrowed a Canon BJ-130 printer from a friend, but he only uses
IBM so he doesn't have an Amiga Driver for this printer.  I was
wondering if anyone could mail me a driver to use this printer, or tell
me where I could pick one up.

Thanx 
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: A1200 came out in europe
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:51:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.222005.4076@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis) writes:
The A1200 has finally arrived at europe.
It looks like a A600 that has been extended to fit in a numeric keypad.
It features the AGA chipset, an IDE drive interface, 880 k floppy (boo, hiss) an 680e20 processor.There is room fgor the coprocessor but is not being utilised (C= engineers could not rig a trapdoor to allow acess so it was abandoned, however the real esta|> te is there to be used for a co-processor. ). As for e20 (or is it e020 ? ),
680e20 are a full 32 bit implementation but has its adress space cut down from 
32 bit down to 24 bit, meaning that it can adress 16 megs of ram maximum. Unlike some other low end sysytems the A1200 employs a full 32 bit bus. There is an expansion trapdoor|>  that is 32 bit as well, which also means that all other trapdoor devices are incombatible. There is a 16 bit PCMIA slot as in the A600.
The best thing however is the price in Britain 399 pounds meaning that it can besold here for AUS $ 1000 rrp.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> George.

And this is with a 40MB hard drive and 2Megs of Chip Ram, right?

Any word on fast ram trap door expansions?

The gist I am getting from amiga.hardware is that the trapdoor can only
take 4Megs of ram, and the PCMIA can go another 4Megs, but of course
this is 16bit and half as fast to access.  The machine is supposed to
speed up a decent amount with 32bit fast ram, so 2meg-chip, and 4meg
fast in the trap door seems like the best deal.  Also the trapdoor can
be used to house accelerator boards, which can have as much 32bit RAM on
them as you like, so we will probably be seeing 030/040 accelerator
cards to slide underneath, with space for 16Meg of fast SIMMS or
something.

Anyone care to contradict this?  Be gentle.
From: meprice@uts.EDU.AU (-s92085947-m.price-ele-60-)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Data Disks for DMCS
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:05:18 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au
Organisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia

Does anybody know where i can get the data disks for Deluxe Music Constuction Set
Every single shop....computer show...importer has never heard of them.

I think the disks are called Instant Music, Rock & Roll music

my email address is meprice@acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au

Anybody!!!!


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: A4000...we can only dream
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:57:59 GMT

In article <1dddfuINN367@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, brendan@gu.uwa.edu.au (Brendan Langoulant) writes:
|>...... 
|> Commodore impress me that they can still exist.. I mean, when is the
|> last advertisement that you have seen by C=???  Most C= advertising
|> comes from the retailers.

Aaargh! It was last week, half of Canberra's buses seem to be sporting
billboards advertising C= PC clones.
quote "Commodore, good in every department", ha ha ha hee hee ho ho eeergg!

	Adrian
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From: Kevin.Tankard@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Kevin Tankard)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Disk Optimisers
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 10:50:00

Hi All,

A >> Isn't this program dangerous since to get a speed improvement data is 
A >cached.
A >> If there's some problem and your computer goes down (power fault of guru)
A >> doesn't your disk remain in a trashed state? The slow optomisers shift
A >> one block at a time, which I believe is supposed to be fault tollerant.
A >> 
A >> Anyone care to comment......
A > 
A >Well, yeah.  You are mad if you optimise disks without backing them
A >up in the first place, no matter what program you use. 
A >
Backup, then optimise !! Worth the trouble on both counts. I use ReOrg2.33
to optimise, and FlashBack to do the backup. Usually takes me about a half
an hour to do (on th H/D) - but I sleep better after it.

Can see definite improvements in speed after the optimisation is done.

Kevin
 

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:15:09 GMT

In article <amuser.721282173@marsh> amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith) writes:
>tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker) writes:
>
>>In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
>
>
>Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
>months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
>last that long ;-).
>-- 
>
Commodore has had a 1 year warranty period on their machines for a while
now. At least that is the case for the A2000 and the A3000. 

Nik.



Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor)
Subject: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:53:11 GMT

GDay All,

	The Amiga 4000 is available in Australia. It is selling for $5499 from 
Sigmacom in Cronulla, Sydney. Mark Harwood is the person to talk to, and 
he says that he gets it into Australia in 14 days. (You have to put a deposit 
on it first). It doesn't come with any monitor, but it has the 100 meg IDE
drive etc.

						Cheers,
						Gerardo.

u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au
From: bytey@werple.apana.org.au (Chris Hames)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:13:13 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

csccm@luxury.latrobe.edu.au (Chris Miles) writes:

>bytey@werple.apana.org.au (Chris Hames) writes:
>: s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES)) writes:
>: 
>: >  I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
>: >  m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
>: >  student discounts offered aswell.

>I woz thinking of buying it too, I just want to know how much memory/disk space
>you need to set it up and run it properly...I've got a 500 with 3 meg(1/2 chip)
>and a 20 meg (boo!) HD...  (& 1.3 OS)

From the box:-

Operating System: AmigaDOS version 1.2, 1.3, 2.0 or later
Memory: 1 MB system memory
        (Some features only available with 2MB or more of
        system memory)
Disk Storage: Two 880KB 3.5" diskette drives (Hard disk recommended)

-- 
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Internet: bytey@werple.apana.org.au               FidoNet: 3:633/353
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:18:51 GMT

In article <> sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.140357.164984@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
> 	bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>So, what is an A1200 ?
>
> An AGA '020 based machine to replace the 500..

No, actually the A600 is the machine which is replacing the 500.
The A1200 is more likely to replace the A2000.

-Craig

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: barr@nakita.trl.OZ.AU (David Barr)
Subject: Re: A1200 came out in europe
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:01:48 GMT

mathers@trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:
>The gist I am getting from amiga.hardware is that the trapdoor can only
>take 4Megs of ram, and the PCMIA can go another 4Megs, but of course

The way I interpreted one of George Robbins' postings was that the above is
correct if you decide to use a PCMIA expansion.  If you do not use a
PCMIA expansion, then you can access 8MB of 32bit RAM through the trapdoor -
but if you insert a PCMIA device, the extra 4MB gets switched out for use by
the PCMIA device.

This was from one of the earlier postings when the news of the A1200 first
came out (I think).


David Barr                              Internet:       d.barr@trl.oz.au
Telecom Research Laboratories           Phone:          +61 3 253 6151
Clayton, Victoria, Australia            Fax:            +61 3 253 6362
From: mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Mac IIsi/IIci vs Amiga 4000
Date: 4 Nov 1992 02:29:26 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au


  O.K. fellow amiga owners, here's your chance to stand up for
  amiga computers. I've decided to sell my A2000 and buy something
  else with a bit more grunt and better graphics. My obvious choice
  is the new A4000, a machine I am very attracted to. However, one of
  friends has suggested I buy a Macintosh instead, say, a
  Mac IIsi/IIci (For those who don't know much about the IIsi/IIci,
  they're basically 68030 machines running at about 20/25 MHz with
  640x480x256 graphics; a MC68882 comes standard with the IIci and is
  optional with the IIsi; both machines also come with 5 Meg RAM and
  an 80 Meg Hard Drive). My question to you, my fellow amiga owners,
  is `which should I buy?'. I know this is probably a dum question to
  ask in an amiga news group, but I thought `what the heck, amiga
  owners are honest people, aren't they?. They'll give me an objective
  answer, won't they?'.

  Stewart (mclean@cm.deakin.oz.au)


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:51:55 GMT


>Wasn't it a 120M drive ?

Yes.

>>Not having a go at you Gerardo, but $5499 with no monitor is far too
>>much.  I wonder what sort of profit he makes on it.....  Also, it is
>>obvious he is importing it, so should it go belly up one day, I doubt C=
>>Aust. would honour any warranty.  Once C= decide to bring them in, they

$4000 street price is realistic, thats in the 486 Dx2/50 with MCA territory
that the a4000 is aimed at.  A cheap monitor would be nice.

>Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
>months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
>last that long ;-).

The a3000 warranty is a full 12 months, the a4000 should be the same.



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AFS Designs             
                        
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: andrewl@hades.ausonics.oz.au (Andrew J Lockwood)
Subject: Re: Disk Optimisers
Organization: Ausonics Pty Ltd 61-2-428-6444
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:53:25 GMT

Kevin.Tankard@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Kevin Tankard) writes:

>Backup, then optimise !!

What's the best way to backup an 80M harddisk with 880k floppies?

Andrew Lockwood
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From: s915426@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Leanne Taylor)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:59:32 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:


>>Wasn't it a 120M drive ?

>Yes.

>>>Not having a go at you Gerardo, but $5499 with no monitor is far too
>>>much.  I wonder what sort of profit he makes on it.....  Also, it is
>>>obvious he is importing it, so should it go belly up one day, I doubt C=
>>>Aust. would honour any warranty.  Once C= decide to bring them in, they

>$4000 street price is realistic, thats in the 486 Dx2/50 with MCA territory
>that the a4000 is aimed at.  A cheap monitor would be nice.

I have had a quote from bot AmiTech, and Maxwells here in melbourne, and they quoted $4800 (inc Tax) for the 4000 with the 120 MB Drive, 2 MB Chip, 4 MB Fast.

Maxwell's are taking depositss and they will have them early December from 
Commodore Australia.  They have also said that they are ebing sponsored by CBM at the home computer show, and will have a 4000, AND something else!


>>Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
>>months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
>>last that long ;-).

>The a3000 warranty is a full 12 months, the a4000 should be the same.

Yup


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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
From: csccm@luxury.latrobe.edu.au (Chris Miles)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:28:39 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bytey@werple.apana.org.au (Chris Hames) writes:
: s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES)) writes:
: 
: >  I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
: >  m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
: >  student discounts offered aswell.

I woz thinking of buying it too, I just want to know how much memory/disk space
you need to set it up and run it properly...I've got a 500 with 3 meg(1/2 chip)
and a 20 meg (boo!) HD...  (& 1.3 OS)


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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS 2.05 problem - HELP please
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:57:37 GMT

samlor@csis.dit.csiro.au (Sam Lor) writes:


> __________________________________
>|                                  |
>| <program name>                   |
>| Program Failed (error #80000003) |
>| Wait for disk activity to finish |
>|                                  |
>|  -------                 ------  |
>| |Suspend|               |Reboot| |
>|  -------                 ------  |
> ----------------------------------


Meet Mr.  Guru.  :-)


>or is some backwards incompatibility with DOS 2.05
>that is causing older programs (written for DOS 1.2, 1.3) to crash? Is

>these things and he said, in his totally uninformed opinion, that quote
>"It is always a problem with going to new versions that there will be
>some small incompatibilities with older sofware" but fat lota good that
>does me. So please help me. What's the problem? How can I get around it?

Get all the software that doesn't work, place it all in a rubbish bin, pour
petrol over it and drop in a lighted match.  Worked for me...

Just joking.  The problem is mainly caused by people (ie dopey programmers) 
using unsupported features in the os to cludge their code to a state that it 
works, or sort of.  The problem is that C= has basically fixed most of these
'features' of 1.2/1.3, so now stuff doesn't work.  Other problems were caused
by new ways of doing things (like the monitor database etc) which could cause
problems when RTG etc come out with older code.  Jumping directly into the rom
is also a VERY VERY bad way to code something, as is relying heavily on the
hardware.  Unfortunately there is no real way to fix stuff that doesn't work
unless you are a very dedicated assembly programmer willing to rip apart a
program to find the bug.  So you just have to wait for an updated version to
arrive, presuming the programmer is still working on it.

The 3 in the guru number is illegal instruction or bus error or something.  It
could be caused by an incorrectly seated rom or other chip, or perhaps by an
outdated rom on the hardcard.  Not really sure about that.



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