HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: holland@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Subject: Re: The incredible phantom light bee
Summary: Feline Evolution
Organization: University of B.C. Geophysics & Astronomy
Distribution: all
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:23:35 GMT
Expires: October 31, 1992.

In article <14820@borg.cs.unc.edu> bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
>
>There also seems to be missing any sort of selection agent to cause the
>cat to evolve to an intelligent form.  After all,  sharks have been around
>for a few hundred million years and they've never even been able to invent
>vindaloos or pot noodles.  So what caused the cat(s) to develop intelligence?
>
>The most obvious choice is Holly.  6000 IQ and a million years means he'll
>probably get pretty bored, so cat breeding might become a hobby of his.
>Use the scutters to sterilize or kill the ones that aren't quite so bright,
>plenty of handy radiation to cause mutations, plenty of info on human
>genomes to clue in the right way to go, and viola!
>
>Do the books try to explain how the cats evolved?
>
Not really.  Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers goes on a bit about how
the lack of food led to tremendous competition between the cats.
For example: Those felines that could stand on their hind legs had an 
evolutionary advantage over those that couldn't.  It also talks about
how the pre-civilisation cats discovered the "can-opener" principle.

What I wonder is how the story of Cloister got passed down to the (Red
Dwarf) present.  After all, Lister's cat (forget her name) was
unevolved.

steve holland
"Do not attempt to think or depression may occur."
                             -Jello Biafra
"Democracy: a cliche for the '90s"
                             -Me

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From: daniel@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (D N Crow)
Subject: Re: Vindaloo (was Re: On Rationalizing Continuity)
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:24:19 GMT
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In article <1992Sep4.085601.20030@cs.nott.ac.uk>, nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook) writes:
	[Dumb American post removed, along with deeply unpleasant
	and anti-social .sig (see alt.fan.warlord passim)]

> 
> Curry Houses, and visits to them involving lots of beer drinking are a british
> tradition. (Well okay, eating curries was nicked from the Indians).
> The point is that XXXX vindaloo can only be eaten after consuming vast 
> quantities of beer before and after.
> However, once you've had about 5, your taste buds get irretrievably damaged,
> and you can eat as many as you like after that. In fact many people (I am
> becoming one of them) find that they have to put curry flavouring in lots
> of food to feed their addiction. I went through a stage of putting Mr Patak's
> Lime Pickle in my beans on toast. It only stopped when I found myself eating
> Lime Pickle sandwiches. I've just discovered Garlic Pickle, which is nice,
> but it doesn't give you that cheek sucking in sensation of L.P.
>

Ahh... Mr. Patak's excellent pickles. Now there's a subject to talk about...
Anyway, this myth that curry (or more accurately chilli, the "hot"
ingredient in most "curries") damaging your taste buds is complete
nonsense. It does not. It stimulates a completely different set of nerve
endings from the tatse buds. There was a rather good article in a recent
Scientific American (or could possibly be New Scientist. Yeh, perhaps it was
NS), which reported on a fairly large research project into the properties,
effects and supposed addictiveness of chilli (or rather, the active ingrediant
therein, whose name I have forgotten). Basically, eat as much as you like, it
will not damage your sense of taste. However, there was evidence that the
stuff *is* addictive, which is why people get curry cravings.
 
> For me, no restaurant in the world can beat a good curry house serving
> 1) Poppadums with Lime Pickle, Yogurt and Mango Chutney.
> 2) Onion Bhaji's fresh from being deep fried. (With some limp lettuce & lemon)
> 3) Vegetable Vindaloo/Methia/Rogan Josh/Pathia with Pilau rice.(I'm vegetarian)
> 

Leeds and (particularly) Bradford have some *excellent* curry houses. If you're
ever in this neck of the woods...

> Yum!
> 
> If you want to know more about the culture of eating curries - see Rowan 
> Atkinson live, or get a video of him live, doing the Indian waiter sketch.
> 
> Neil Cook.

-- 
Dan Crow
daniel@scs.leeds.ac.uk
From: msmith@lssec.bt.co.uk (Martin Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: The Red Dwarf Quotes File
Keywords: hold on a mo
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: msmith@lssec.bt.co.uk (Martin Smith)
Organization: BT D&P, London Engineering Centre

In article <1992Aug28.120502.3898@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mowen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Guinny) writes:
|> In article <MICHAEL.92Aug23120149@paul.bu.edu> michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) writes:
|> >
|> >Would it not be more productive to start a script project,
|> >ala the Blackadder Script Project?
|> 
|> 	Yep, it sure would.  In fact, I think I'll start on it
|> this weekend, with some of series 2.  Any volunteers for the others?
|> 
|> >Just a question,
|> >Chaplin.
|> 
|> 	Guinny

I've already done the first half of Series 2! I posted in rec.arts.sf.tv back
before this group existed. Maybe it's time for a repost?

I missed the end of the recent long thread on the lyrics to Tongue Tied. If someone
posts the 'definitive' version I'll edit it into my script.

Martin

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From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Red Dwarf - Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers...
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:39:19 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


..is indeed out.  I got it at Crown books, a big display at
the front of the store.  Crown, for those who haven't been there,
is a discount books store; RD was $4.49

--f2
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   just begging for a new toupee."
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: Holly's IQ
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 10:48:59 GMT
Organization: Not

nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook) writes: 

> Hmm, I've just finished watching all 5 series on tape, especially catching up
> on the ones I missed first time round.

> I have just two questions:
> 1) What happened to the scutters?

They use Kryten to do physical things for Rimmer (pilot the 'Bug, etc)
in addition to his plot-exposition duties. The skutters disappeared
around the time Kryten made a reappearance. I suspect the logistics
were a technical nightmare as well, but I love the moments like
the "please don't leave us with Rimmer" as they hit their "heads"
against the wall when Lister and Cat are going into stasis, or
flipping Rimmer off when he reprimands them for watching John
Wayne movies ("skutters don't have time off!"), and having had
the fore"thought" to bring broom and dustpan as to show Rimmer
they were "working". Not to mention the John Wayne fan club in BTL.
From: andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Nothing's too good for the deadthday boy!
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:06:03 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <la5dpcINN8rd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Well, it had to be done.  Last night I had a tortilla filled with scrambled eggs,
>chili sauce, and chutney.  Smeg!  It really *is* like a cross between food and
>bowel surgery!  This will be a regular one on the menu from now on.
>
>FYI, I used Major Grey Mango Chutney (can't recall the brand, some Jamaican
>one) and Tampico Chili Sauce.  The eggs were standard issue.
>

I've also tried the "triple fried egg butty with chilli sauce and chutney",
it does disolve the bread and its the best cure for a hangover ever !!

BTW I just watched all five series of Red Dwarf over the weekend for the 20 th
    time (ish), are you jealous ?

-- 
|      Andy Cannon       |"Love is what seperates us from the animals"       |
| Misplaced Yorkshireman |                                                   |
|   Spider Systems Ltd   |"No, what seperates us from the animals is that we |
|  andrewc@spider.co.uk  |don't clean our own genitals with our tongue"      |
From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Simple light bee solution
Keywords: Smeghead
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:04:55 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu



I don't see what all the fuss is over Rimmer's light bee/light cage.
It's very simple.  In the first two seasons, he's projected from the
walls of the ship or the light cage.  Then, since he whined so much
about not being able to leave without the cage, Holly invented the
light bee for him, and he's used that ever since.

Why are you all looking at me funny?  Holly does have an IQ of 6000.
Right?  Sure he does.  How else could he navagate them back to earth?

Ok, well maybe the Jr. encyclopedia of space has a section on building
your very own light bee (in the "how to annoy your parents with science"
section).

-- 
Craig Jackson      ---      Omniscient fool      ---      omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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From: mowen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Guinny)
Subject: Address of Noel Gay/Paul Jackson Paul Wanted
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:52:29 GMT

Does anyone happen to know the address of
either Paul Jackson Paul Productions or that
of Noel Gay Television (who I believe were
the company who filmed Red Dwarf)?

Thanks,

Guinny
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: General Question
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:57:44 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

haggerty@lager.geo.brown.edu (Paul Haggerty) writes:

> At the end of Series 2 Lister gets pregnant and Holly is still male,
> yet at the beginning of Series 3 Lister is no longer pregnant (and
> without offspring), and Holly is a ditzy female.
> 
> What gives?

From the Red Dwarf FAQ List:

WHY IS HOLLY NOW A WOMAN?  HOW DID KRYTEN CHANGE?

	The original actor to play Holly, Norman Lovett, decided 
	to leave the series to further his career.  Kryten's original
	actor, David Ross, wasn't available to commit to a series when
	they decided to make Kryten a continuing character.

	Hattie Hayridge, the actress called in to play Holly, had
	previously appeared in "Parallel Universe" as Hilly, Holly's female
        counterpart.  "There were no plans to call me back," Hayridge explains.
	". . . when Norman said he wasn't doing another series, I auditioned." 
	The character of Holly kept the same name and personality despite the
	recasting.

	These changes, along with other changes between seasons two and
	three that came with a change in production companies (such as 
	news sets, costumes, and miniatures), were more or less explained 
	by the following explanation that scrolled up the screen at high-speed
	at the beginning of "Backwards": 

	"Three million years in the future, Dave Lister, the last human being 
	alive, discovers he is pregnant after a liaison with his female self 
	in a parallel universe. His pregnancy concludes with the successful 
	delivery of twin boys, Jim and Bexley. However, because the boys were
	conceived in another universe, with different physical laws, they
	suffer from highly accelerated growth rates and are both eighteen
	years old within three days of being born. In order to save their 
	lives, Lister returns them to the universe of their origin, where
	they are reunited with their father (a woman), and are able to lead
	comparatively normal lives. Well, as normal as you can be if you've 
	been born in a parallel universe and your father's a woman and your 
	mother's a man and you're eighteen years old three days after your 
	birth.  Shortly afterward, Kryten, the service mechanoid, who had
	left the ship after being rescued from his own crashed vessel, the
	Nova 5, is found in pieces after his space bike crashed into an
	asteroid. Lister rebuilds the 'roid, but is unable to recapture
	his former personality. Meanwhile, Holly, the increasingly erratic 
	computer, performs a head sex change operation on himself. He bases 
	his new face on Hilly, a female computer with whom he'd once fallen
	madly in love."
	
	It IS possible to read all this, using a VCR with good slow-motion
	capabilities.  Try it.

I can only add that on my VCR, it was too fast to read even in
slow-motion.  I had to frame-advance my way through it.

-- 
Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | Dave Barry for President
pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    |  "He Probably Won't Use
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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: The incredible phantom light bee
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:54:34 GMT

In <57660007@otter.hpl.hp.com> ljc@otter.hpl.hp.com (Lee Carter) writes:
>YAAAAY!! AT LAST!
>Somebody else who feels the same way as me about this programme - I
>don't give a f*ck if there are continuity errors between shows, I just
>appreciate Red Dwarf for what it is - a COMEDY show - NOT Startrek with
>jokes.
>Lee.

I think the best comment on this subject can be stolen from another
cult sci-fi show on cable here in the US - Mystery Science Theatre
3000 (or mst3k, for those in the know).

From the opening theme song:

>If you're wondering how he eats and breaths or other science facts,
>Then repeat to yourself it's just a show, you really should relax.

I doubt mst3k will ever make it out of the US; it's so chock full of
old sitcom references and cultural tidbits that it's pretty
non-portable.



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From: hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Ron O'Dell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Rimmer touching people
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
Organization: The Pen
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <l9ii9dINNsna@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>how many episodes can we find where Rimmer touched other people?  
>	The End:  First episode, he's not a hologram yet.
>	Parallel Universe:  he can touch another hologram,
>and he bumps into Lister once! (oops.)
>	Body Swap:  But he's using Lister's body...
>	Timeslides: he turns into a real person for
>a few minutes, then explodes...but he doesn't touch anybody in this one.
>	Better Than Life:  Inside the game...Miss McGruder.  But not on-screen :-)

>Can anyone remember others?

   Dimension Jump:  Different Rimmer ...
   Meltdown:  Kryten and Lister hold or swallow his light bee.
   Holoship:  He can touch everything and everyone on the holoship.
   Terrorform:  He has physical form on the psi-moon; is oiled by the
                slave women and hugged by Kryten, Lister and Cat.
   Demons & Angels:  The `low' Rimmer uses a holo-whip against Lister;
                     Lister, being controlled by the lows, grabs and crushes
                     the `high' Rimmer's light bee.
   Back to Reality:  Billy Doyle (Rimmer) is a living human; contact is made
                     a few times.

-- 
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From: ken@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Nothing's too good for the deadthday boy!
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:59:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Chuck Narad (narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: Well, it had to be done.  Last night I had a tortilla filled with scrambled eggs,
: chili sauce, and chutney.  Smeg!  It really *is* like a cross between food and
			     ^^^^
: bowel surgery!  This will be a regular one on the menu from now on.

I was inspired to eat a particular sandwich by a particular episode. It was
when they stole Hitler's briefcase and found banana and crisp sandwiches. I
tried them. They were bloody awful.

BTW, I hope you know what Smeg means:

/smegma/ <<"smegm@>> n.[Anat] a sebaceous secretion in the folds of the
skin, esp. of the foreskin.

/smegmatic/ <<-"m&tIk>> adj.{foreign word}

L f. Gk sm&emac.gma -atos detergent f. sm&emac.kh&omac. cleanse

The BBC didn't know the meaning, which is why they got away with it..


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From: terry@thisbe.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: On Rationalizing Continuity (Was Re: The incredible phantom light bee)
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:25:08 GMT

In article <9224412.16859@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> scienger@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher_Robert INNES) writes:
>Pulling apart and diagnosing this story to the point of 
>'Oh where does the light bee go when rimmer ......?' is pointless.

Obviously it projected a small hologram of empty air to hide itself!  Two
Rimmer-sized holograms are impossible except under exceptional circumstances,
but there's no reason to think the majority of the processing isn't done
for Rimmer himself, or the large image of Rimmer.

>Face it when I watch star wars I don't think "gee how does jabba go to the
>toilet?"

Say, how *does* he? (Thanks for bringing the question up!) ...maybe the rat
muppet is a sybiote.  8-)  8-).

>How does one gain enjoyment from picking the errors?

They're not errors if we can think of witty ways for them to have occurred
and still be consistant -- it was our misperception of the events that
threw us off!  This is doubly fun when you are showing someone your tapes
and they say "how..." and you have a perfectly reasonable explanation all
thought out, just in case.


					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

---
Disclaimer:  Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of
my present or previous employers.
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From: flostran@fraser.sfu.ca (Andrew Flostrand)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Anyone know..
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:48:37 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

What the actual circumstances were regarding Norman Lovett's resignation
from the show?  While I still find the female Holly to be well done, I
thought the original one was priceless.  One of the main differences is
that the old Holly was mischevious as opposed to now just being kinda 
stupid.

Andrew
From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: The incredible phantom light bee
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:48:23 GMT
Organization: Not

scienger@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher_Robert INNES) writes: 

> (...) a feline-sapien descended from a SINGLE cat
> ( Holy gene pool batman! ) (...)

Erm, two cats actually. Frankenstein and "actually it was a big tom on Titan"

> So , guys , I thought the story has hard enough to stomach already. Let's not
> go into minute details just relax and enjoy.

Oh I think it's loads of fun to do these. It's like a joke of the day,
can you come up with a raving plot discontinuity that's even worse than
the previous one. I don't find it hard to stomach at all, I just take it easy.
The ones that are too uptight for me I just smile and skip. Doesn't raise
my blood pressure any. Now, about yours... ;-)

"What d'ya mean you 'killed him, cha cha cha' "
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Rimmer touching people
Keywords: "Timeslides", "Holoship", "Terrorform", "Polymorph", "Dimension Jump"
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:23:44 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug25.110648.7722@u.washington.edu> byrdie@milton.u.washington.edu (Renee Byrd) writes:
>
>	Of course, "Dimension Jump" may be streaching things since it's
>	his more sucessful counterpart that can touch, but it's	still HIM.
>	=)
>						-- Renee

'Ace' Rimmer also had the singular advantage of not being a deadie.

Neil


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From: jbaron@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Vindaloo (was Re: On Rationalizing Continuity)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:39 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep1.061504.18040@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> gousha@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Charles Gousha) writes:
>Besides, if we didn't do things like this, the whole group would be
>questions like "What is Vindaloo?" and "What were the Cat's Song Lyrics?"
>and the most intense one "goldfish shoals?"

Well, I know nothing about British cuisine, but when I first heard 'vindaloo'
I put it together as such: 'vin' = wine, precious liquid, etc., 'da' = of,
'loo' = Euro term for toilet.  Seems to me that ANYTHING 'vindaloo' would
be the most vile stuff in the world, of appeal only to sick, dehydrated
canines.  I do so hope that Lobster Vindaloo is not on the menu at any
respectable (or otherwise) British restaurants or I may throw up. Either
that or that I be totally wrong and that 'vindaloo' is simply the Euro
term for 'Ambrosia' and that we poor Yanks simply don't get the joke.

Hey, it sounded like a good question...

By the way...to which 'Cat Song' are you refering?

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From: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: touching Rimmer?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur

In article 714810266@physics.ubc.ca, jeffv@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour) writes:
>flostran@fraser.sfu.ca (Andrew Flostrand) writes:
>
>
>I have friends who complain about the reproductive capability of scutters
>(Parallel Universe) and say things like "hey, look!  Rimmer's wrinkling the
>bed sheets."  Of course, these are mainly the same people I know that complain
>that Doctor Who "is just no good because the effects look so fake."  I guess
>they just don't have an appreciation for the finer artistic qualities of these
>shows. :-)
>
>- Jeff


The scutters reproducing doesn't bother me, but their addiction to John Wayne
is sick, sick, sick!  :-)

chas/
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