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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: sipa's baaaack: ''The fanatic Greeks of our city,..."
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:10:43 GMT
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In <8209081601.A1459Qr@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:


In article <18ggliINN5n6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

"Scary" would be a better world; But we can all see that "Turkiye Elektronik
Haber" is dream-teaming the Usenet world; no more wimpy feeds from places in
the midwest or upper midwest (:-). Either we get the best or we don't.

And here's to the eternal "sipa".

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus (was: No! U.N.O! It's too little, too late!)
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:42:26 GMT

>The 4th best telecommunication system wolrdwide.

	Bravo !!! Ekplisomai ? Exoun celular ? Sthn Ellada exouen (eixan ?)
xalia maura.

>The 3rd largest number of university graduates per 1000 citizens in the world.

	Pws paei auto to panepistimio ? To teliosane ?

>The 3rd biggest trade fleet worldwide.

 	Mou fenetai oti einai 6h alla pi8anon kanw egw la8os.
>+......
>
>Theodore David

	George
PS: I hope you can speek greek Theo. Sorry for replying in Greek. Now that
I look above it might be taken sracasticaly. I am actualy enquiring.
Thanks

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: News Article--Greek ....  (Forwarding)
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:03:41 GMT


GREEK MINISTER SAYS NO TREATY FOR TURKEY WITHOUT CYPRUS SETTLEMENT

ISTANBUL (SEPT. 10) DPA - Greece will not sign a friendship treaty with Turkey
unless the Cyprus conflict is settled, Greek Foreign Minister Michael
Papakonstantinou said Thursday.

Speaking to the Turkish news agency Anadolu, he said that if the Cyprus dispute
were to be resolved, there was an opportunity for ''eternal cooperation''
between Turkey and Greece.

All their other disputes, such as the issue of maritime boundaries in the
Aegean Sea, could be settled far more easily.

Papakonstantinou met Turkish Foreign Minister Hikmet Cetin while the two were
in Istanbul for a session of the Council of Europe's special ministerial
conference.

The visiting minister said both agreed that dialogue and a telephone hotline
they are setting up to avoid escalation of conflict were the right approaches
to achieve peaceful coexistence and cooperation.

The two nations are in dispute over Cyprus, where the Turkish part of the
population set up its own secessionist republic after the Turkish armed forces
invaded the island in 1974.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Violating First Amendment! Get a clue, randal person!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:34:30 GMT

In <9209142154@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>>If you have something to say on Usenet, follow usenet's rules (the few
>>that we have :-).  
>You apparently think anyone can post bigoted remarks/insults/lies to
>news.* and not be called to account. Your perceptions are demonstrably 
>wrong. One does not fight bigots and fascists by running away from them. 
>Well, enough entertainment for yet another wieneramus. Now, where were we?

I don't seem to recall Randall saying anything about bigots.  He said
pretty clearly "You *do not* have the right to post whatever you please
to Usenet" since it isn't your own private free press.  Seems that that
can be applied AGAINST your hypothetical bigots.  Right?  What's your
beef then?

>Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
>
>"The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the 
> women and children.  They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees.  
> The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real 
> slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive.  
> 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving 
> up people with their bayonets and knives.'  A 45-year-old man who had been 
> shot in the back  said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened 
> up on us and people were falling all around.  My wife fell, then my child."
> Thomas Goltz
> Sunday Times, 3/1/92

I sure as hell hope you aren't comparing this to Usenet.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                               EWIGE BLUMENKRAFT!
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From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: HOBb|u XACAH!!! ( was: Re: "anti-muslim" antonov
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<LEONID.92Sep14105553@tuna.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Sep14.173822.31573@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Sep14.174104.27906@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Sep14.174217.21148@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:02:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.174217.21148@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:

>   In  <LEONID.92Sep14105553@tuna.uchicago.edu>  leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu
>   (Leonid Andreev) writes:
>   >
>   >
>   > Vot on gde, novyj-to Hasan!!! A vy vse zaladili: "Patricia da Patricia"...
>
>   A on, chto, tozhe strochit knigu o Russkoi kul'ture ? Nu, seichas my ego
>   raspatronim !

Net, on op'at' za genocid turok arm'anami... 
To est', Hasan v tradicionnom smysle slova.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Lance Visser
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:23:51 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Hey Lance Lan!
we don't mind losing empires in tens Man, because we know how to build 
new ones.....watch us Man !
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From: sasa3d@morisot.unx.sas.com (Ali Dogrusoz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Eylul doneminde Burdurda Askere gidecek varmi?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:09:30 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasa3d@morisot.unx.sas.com


Bu soruyu TEL dede sormustum ama anladigim kadari ile TEL deki forum boyle
sorulari sormaya uygun degil. Icinizde kimse gectigimiz Haziran doneminde 
burdurda Askelige gittimi? Gittiyseniz izlenimleriniz nelerdi?
Eylul doneminde giden varmi? Ben gidiyorumda

Ali
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From: x91dickenso1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: help
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:03:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

write
help
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Re: An interesting poll about the feelings in Turkey
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:00:24 GMT


>Hakan writes:

>> Let's come to the point MOST DISLIKED COUNTRIES. Well, Greece must be at the
>> the top. The second is Southern Cyprus for sure. Percentages of those 
>> countries may be slightly more. Armenia is of course the third one. :-) 
>> But I am not sure
>                  
>      Why, of course, Hakan!!  They weren't supposed to survive
>      the Genocide, were they?
        
       Hey Eduard, welcome back. I remember three of your postings
       containing some Turkish curses like "AMC*K", "G*TVERAN", (3 months ago) 
       "S*KiM BASHI". Those Turkish curses were not appropriate
       for using in postings, but you used them, right?

       Let's come to the point. You showed your true face. 
       You don't want to discuss on the subject but instead 
       you want to fight without knowing anything. You have lost
       your credibility by using those nasty Turkish curses in your
       postings. So you cannot find anybody to discuss with you.

       You made me annoyed. let me increase the percentage 
       of Armenia in MOSTLY DISLIKED COUNTRIES IN TURKEY table from 90% 
       to 99% just as Micheal Polymenakos usually does. :-). See, 
       how I raised the percentage. How about that?  

         If you continue to write something silly and curses, I will raise  
       *your* percentage in tables "WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?" and
       "I GUESS SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT GUY".
       

>-- Eduard Wiener

Hakan
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: One of them is insane: "fsdhp@acad3.alaska.edu" or Prof McCarthy?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:52:34 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep10.031627.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsdhp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>say I got much of the same out of reading Master i Margarita as she did. She
>does not seem to be insane like Hasan Mutlu.  And even if she is a potential

Alaska?

Source #1: McCarthy, J., "Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman 
           Anatolia and the End of the Empire," New York University Press, 
           New York, 1983, pp. 133-144.

Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., "Armenia on the Road to Independence,
           1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles),
           1967, p. 13.

For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people 
lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the 
oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its 
Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered
and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one
thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
and Kurds. 

Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in 
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly 
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: HOBb|u XACAH!!! ( was: Re: "anti-muslim" antonov
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:42:17 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <LEONID.92Sep14105553@tuna.uchicago.edu>  leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu
(Leonid Andreev) writes:
>
>
> Vot on gde, novyj-to Hasan!!! A vy vse zaladili: "Patricia da Patricia"...

A on, chto, tozhe strochit knigu o Russkoi kul'ture ? Nu, seichas my ego
raspatronim !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 7 Eylul
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:44:27 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

7 Eylul Gundem /Fehmi Koru/

Niyeti ne?

Guneydogu Anadolu'da sicak gunler daha da isinirken, hukumet
mevcut sorunun cozumunu butunuyle askerlere birakmis gorunuyor.
Bu durumda da ister istemez Turk Silahli Kuvvetleri'ni ve
yoneticilerini on plana cikartiyor. Son gunlerde, Genelkurmay
Bskni D. Gures'in adini daha sik duymamizin, aciklamalariyla
daha fazla karsilasmamizin sebebi bu.

Org. Gures ile yapilan kapsamli bir gorusme, dun, bir gazetede
yayinlanmaya baslandi. Daha once, ayni gazeteciye, dusuncelerini
zaman zaman, "Genelkurmaydan ust duzey bir yetkili" sifatini
kullanarak aktardigi bilinen Sn Gures'in, bu kez ismi ve cismiyle
ortaya cikmasini, dikkatle not edilmesi gereken bir ileri adim olarak
goruyoruz.

(...)

Simdi soyle bir acmazla karsi karsiyayiz: Guneydogu bir yangin yerine
dondu, yangini sondurme gorevi askerlere veriliyor, askeri cozumun
bugunun dunyasinda bir yeri olmadigi bilindigi halde... Cozum olmayan
bir cozum, siyasilerin arzu etmeyecekleri bir baska cozumu gerekli
kilmayacak mi?

Bu soruyu, bir baska kisinin yonetimi altinda bu kadar rahat sormaya-
bilirdik; ancak Demirel'in 71 ve 80 kritik donemlerinde benzeri
tedbirlere "cozum" olarak sarilmasinin getirdigi akibeti bilerek,
bugunku gidisten rahatsizlik duyuyoruz.

Simdi nazik bir sorumuz olacak: Cumhurbaskani, ne yaparsa yapsin,
dusunup kararlastirdiklarini, yaveri, sozcusu, genel sekreteri ve
danismanlarindan ibaret dar kadrosuyla uygulamaya koyamayacaktir...
Oysa, Genelkurmay Baskani Turkiye'nin en kalabalik kadrosuna sahip
bir orgutlu gucun basinda ve dusundugunu hayata gecirme firsatini
elinde tutuyor; acaba onun konusmaya baslamasi, hukumetin onune gecerek
kendi aklindakini "cozum" olarak dayatmasi, orduyu uyanik olmaya
davet eden tamimler yayinlamsi (normal) mi kabul edilmeli?

Guneydogudaki olaylar ulkeyi en tehlikeli donemece dogru surukluyor.
PKK'nin (ve arkasindaki guclerin) oteki niyetlerini biliyoruz, acaba
bir niyetleri de Turkiye'ye yeniden bir askeri yonetim mi getirmek?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:37:41 GMT

In article <BuABIE.Gyo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>
>Also I have been writing in response to the fanatics around here 
>lately(Caroutas, Theodore David, Serafim etc.) and thus my articles have
>
Ofcourse "fanatic" is subjective Besime, but since I had the feeling that
our opinions about the future of Cyprus were converging lately, I would
ask you to give an article of mine, from where you concluded that I am
a ....fanatic.
Remember, however, that having different opinions with someone,does not make
him/her fanatic. 

>Besime Erin
>A Turkish Cypriot
	   ^^^^^^^
Your compatriot,
Theodore David.
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: It's a crime to massacre a baby.
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:43:19 GMT

In article <9209032316.A5593DX@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>
>
>
><Sep04.005852.49282@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
>
>>It's not a crime to shoot armed bandits.
>
>How about a "Greek" tree?
>
>   13-3-1975 On the road travelling to the South to the freedom of
>             the North
>
>   "A Turkish woman was seriously wounded and her four-month old
>   baby was riddled with bullets from an automatic weapon fired by
>   a Greek Cypriot mobile patrol which had ambushed the car in which
>   the mother and her baby were travelling to the Turkish region.
>   The baby died in her mother's arms.
>
>   This wanton murder of a four-month-old baby, which shocked foreign
>   observers as much as the Turkish Community, was not committed by
>   irresponsible persons, but by members of the Greek Cypriot security
>   forces. According to the mother's statement the Greek police patrol
>   had chased their car and deliberately fired upon it."
>
>Serdar Argic
>
>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

I wish to state that there are Police and there are Humans.
Police IMHO are not necessarily Human(e) and Humans are not
necessarily police.

I have been reading reports of Police Brutality from all parts
of the USA on this net....to hear abou tit in Greece does not
surprise me as the last I heard Greece was getting a tad
militaristic.

It seems to be some deviant function of this New World Order.
The closer we get to the year 2000 the worse it gets out on
the streets for everyone.

Len
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use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:50:32 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>I guess I will close by saying I wish to hear from the moderate Greek Cypriots
>because I have lost touch with my understanding and tolerance towards the othr
>side after my trip home and because of the extremists on this net. 

 When you don't like someone's opinion, you tend to call him an extremist.
 Unfortunately, there is a difference between justice and convinience.
 Your personal egoism tends to ignore some facts, which I won't repeat here.

 Just what kind of understanding are you expecting from "moderate Greek
 Cypriots?"  Is there something that they can't understand?

>Besime Erin


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 14:00:40 TUR
From: <E55095@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Su anda kac article mevcut??

Merhaba,

Uzun sure Fransa ile Ege arasindaki link failure yuzunden SCT yi takip
edemedim.Simdi sozde ediyoruz ama 15 den fazla article'i bir arada
goremiyorum..Acaba burada o kadr mi var? Yoksa linkler hala
bozuk mu?

Tesekkurler.

Gakkos DOGULU
From: jhess@orion.oac.uci.edu (James Hess)
Subject: Internet connections to Istanbul?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:00:25 GMT

I have a friend who is returning to Turkey after spending a couple of years 
studying in the U.S..  We would like to keep in touch by email, if possible.
She is a teaching assistant at Istanbul Technical University. (ITU)
Does anybody know if they have access to the Internet or can send email to 
the U.S.?

Thanks,

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