HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:42:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Aug31.154245.26092
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <PPESSI.92Aug31152912@vipunen.hut.fi> ppessi@vipunen.hut.fi  
(Pekka Pessi) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.131307.8755@gdstech.grumman.com>  
david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:
> >Someone here at my job made the same assertion, and therefore
> >concluded that burning a cross on a Black person's lawn should not be
> >considered a hate crime, but an act of free speech protected by the
> >constitution and further the perpetrators should not be charged with
> >anything more than property damage.
> 
> >"Intent.  It is the intent that decides whether or not the accused
> >will spend ten years in prison or fifty or even further receive the
> >death penalty.  It is the intent that makes all the difference.  There
> >is a difference between scrawling ''Joanie loves Chachi'' on a
> >deli-owners wall and scrawling ''Niggers Go Home!''."
> 
> 	Difference between manslaughter and murder is "intent to
> 	kill". Difference between burning a cross or burning a fire is
> 	"intent to express an opinion".
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>
     But not on my property, boy! And not with my money, boy! 
> --
> Pekka Pessi	/	ppessi@niksula.hut.fi

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: (quote) Duke pleads for money from followers (quote)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:29:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Aug28.173249.15888@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>There was a little something about Duke's demise in the S.F.
>Chronicle. Apparently, Buchanan stole his thunder...  Duke was never
>known to be completely above board in his business dealings, so
>claiming harasssment, IMHO, without taking into account his own
>sticky fingers, makes it hard for even diehard white folks to feel
>sorry for him.

Something very, very bad would have to happen to that guy to make me feel
sorry for him.  I'm not sure what it would be, but I believe I could have
some fun thinking up different scenarios...

By the way, who are "diehard white folks" -- the ones who just refuse to
be convinced that they aren't white?

>By the way, did you folks check out how Bush blew his chance to be
>the Caring President?  You've got a lotta folks in South Florida
>po'ed at him. Absolute chaos down there.

Bush blew his chance at that back when Hugo hit South Carolina.  He's falling
all over himself to provide help to Florida compared to what he did then.  Of
course, this is an election year.

The democrats have jumped on Bush a bit for going back on his "read my lips"
promise, but I haven't seen any criticism referring specifically to his plan
to make this a "kinder and gentler" nation.  That's where I'd concentrate if
I were running Clinton's campaign.  It seems to me that by almost any measure
imaginable, our country has become *less* kind and *less* gentle in the past
four years.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:40:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <2SEP199207285211@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> by edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope):

> [Stuff about danger of standing on street corners deleted]
> 
> >I'm not familiar with the area in question, but are you claiming that it's 
> >dangerous for somebody to be on ANY streetcorner at 10:00pm?  I notice you 
> >post from LeRC.  I live in Berea.  I haven't found the streetcorner in Berea
> >that isn't safe at 10:OOpm or at 03:00am.  I think you've made way too broad
> >of an assertion.
> 
> I went to high school in Strongsville, Ohio (for those who dont know- this
> this a rural suburb in the BOONIES of Cleveland)

Nah, Hinckley's the boonies. :)

> I was standing on corner one night (it wasnt even 10 pm), and some suburban 
> "Biffs" walked up and started to harass me.  Fortunatedly, the bus came right 
> away.  This happened at a "major" intersection of Strongsville which I felt 
> was safe, but it wasnt.

Never seen it happen in Berea.  Of course people like that have a tendency to
only bother me once.... :)

> It's true that most suburbs close down by 9 pm and should be safe, but I 
> never let my guard down for anybody, anywhere!!

I'm from Chicago.  I don't let my guard down either.  On the other hand, 
there ARE levels of threat.  The levels in Strongsville or Berea are somewhat
lower than the ones on E. 47th St. in Chicago.

> >Of course if you make all participants in a lynching the same race instead of
> >the victim Black and the assailants White, THAT ceases to be a racial incident
> >too....
> 
> The woman wasnt LYNCHED.  Some boys rode by and threw bottles at her. OH, and
> they called her "white bitch... etc."  Although, WCF didnt mention what the
> "etc." part was, which leads me to believe that there wasnt anything else said.

But it was a RACIAL incident, by any reasonable standard, and that was my 
point.  If you factor out all of the racial components of a racial incident, 
it by definition ceases to be one.

> Remember, these boys are on bikes. I am under the impression that they didnt
> stop. I could be wrong because I didnt read the article. I'm only going by what
> WCF said.

You don't have to stop to hit somebody in the head with a bottle.  It doesn't
seem all that relevant to me.



-- 
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"Well whose opinions did you THINK these were...?" 
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:59:10 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Sep1.164350.23753@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.025011.17709@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>>
>>>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>>>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>>>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>>>
>>>If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
>>>autobiography or his speeches.  
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>>>			-Joseph Beam_
>>>Terrance Heath 
>>>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
>>
>>Spike Lee hates 'em, Malcolm X couldn't care for 'em. And I'd like to beat
>>one up. 
>
>	I was gonna let this one go, but then I thought it would be at
>least sportsman-like to give you a little advice. A lot of "us",
>myself included, are learning self defense. So don't go off
>half-cocked, or you just might get hurt. And we wouldn't want
>that..would we?
>
>
>-- 
>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>			-Joseph Beam_
>Terrance Heath 
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu

This is to rich to pass up...for 8 months per style, I've
studied tae kwon do, goju ryu, gjo kai, and uechy ryu...can I
watch?!?!? I need a course revu! ;^)

Len

DISCLAIMER: I *don't* tolerate bigotry, racism, or
geographically-based prejudice...and oh yeah...these are all
my opinions.

--
*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.135428.18841@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
$edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:
$
$>My point is that it was dangerous for a woman (or anyone) to be on a street
$>corner at 10 p.m. The fact that the boys and the woman are of different races
$>is the only thing that makes this incident "racial."  If you make everyone the
$>same race in the same incident, then it becomes teenaged boys harassing a
$>woman and it probably wouldnt have made the papers.
$
$And why is it dangerous for someone to be on that corner. Shouldn't
$it be safe? They may not have harrassed a black woman. Make Rodney
$King white. Would that have changed the publicity of that beating?

Cassandra's right.  I shiver at the thought of my fiancee waiting outside
our apartment for the bus at 4:30 in the morning to go to work, so much
so that I'm willing to drag my tired ass out of bed and stand there and wait
with her.  It really ain't a race thing.  It's basically just what your 
surroundings are.


willing to drag my tired ass out of bed and stand 
-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Sep 1992 07:28 EDT  

[Stuff about danger of standing on street corners deleted]

>I'm not familiar with the area in question, but are you claiming that it's 
>dangerous for somebody to be on ANY streetcorner at 10:00pm?  I notice you 
>post from LeRC.  I live in Berea.  I haven't found the streetcorner in Berea
>that isn't safe at 10:OOpm or at 03:00am.  I think you've made way too broad
>of an assertion.

I went to high school in Strongsville, Ohio (for those who dont know- this
this a rural suburb in the BOONIES of Cleveland)

I was standing on corner one night (it wasnt even 10 pm), and some suburban 
"Biffs" walked up and started to harass me.  Fortunatedly, the bus came right 
away.  This happened at a "major" intersection of Strongsville which I felt 
was safe, but it wasnt.

It's true that most suburbs close down by 9 pm and should be safe, but I 
never let my guard down for anybody, anywhere!!
> 
>Of course if you make all participants in a lynching the same race instead of
>the victim Black and the assailants White, THAT ceases to be a racial incident
>too....

The woman wasnt LYNCHED.  Some boys rode by and threw bottles at her. OH, and
they called her "white bitch... etc."  Although, WCF didnt mention what the
"etc." part was, which leads me to believe that there wasnt anything else said.
Remember, these boys are on bikes. I am under the impression that they didnt
stop. I could be wrong because I didnt read the article. I'm only going by what
WCF said.
From: GRIMES_S@eisner.decus.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Organizing for Somalia
Date: 2 Sep 1992 02:51:56 -0500
Organization: Digital Equipment Computer Users Society
Reply-To: hazards@vaxf.colorado.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: 01 Sep 1992 22:15:57 -0400 (EDT)

Is there a discussion going on anywhere on the nets among people working 
in disaster relief about efforts to aid Somalia?  (I don't mean to 
denigrate the seriousness of the situations in "Yugoslavia" and Florida,
but Somalia is in far worse shape.)

I realize that many or most of the people on this list are academics,
but it is the personal responsibility of each of us to get involved in
such a dire situation by organizing, raising money, writing advocacy
letters -- or by using our academic or professional expertise to assist
efforts to do those things.

If there is a discussion going on the nets, please send me a pointer to
it.  If not, this would be as appropriate a place as any to start one.
I'd be pleased to do what I can to share ideas, and I hope everyone else
on the list will agree to do so also.

Seth Grimes, grimes_s@eisner.decus.org
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Bye, For Now
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello, It's em. again :)

I just wanted to say ciao, for now, to s.c.a.a  My internship is ending today
(yayyy!!!!!, I dont like working as I'm sure you can tell) and headed back to
school (BOOO!, I'm not to crazy about GT, either).  I figured out
how to post about a month ago and I've been out of control since.
Working here at NASA, you would THINK that SOMEBODY would know how to post, but
I had to figure is out on my own.  I really like this group, but where are the
sistah???!!!  I only counted about 5, with Gabrielle (I hope, I spelled it 
right) being the most vocal, or should I say "type"al :)

Anyway, I'm rambling on.  I'll be back on the net when I get back to school.
I'll type to ya later......adios.

Cass
gt9153a@prism.gatech.edu
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:03:12 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu

heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>In article <YeceZ4m00UhWM7nVsE@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 29-Aug-92 Re: Johns
>>vs. Carpenter by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
>>
>> I agree with her that black women SHOULD
>>> be with a black man.

>>As do I.
>>
>> Despite what the media says about us black men, we are
>>> nothing without a strong black woman by our sides.

I get so tired of this shit. Do you guys actually believe
this nonsense? Well this black man has had a strong
mexican-american woman by my side for over 11 years now,
and I am a lot more than nothing. 

There two ways to be a racist. One is to believe your race
is superior, and the other is to believe another race is
inferior. They both amount to the same thing. Get with it.

>>I think this is stretching and maybe its the problem.  We're something
>>regardless of who stands with us or against us.

Exactly. You had better be, or no strong  woman (or man) of any race
is going to be around for long.

>This I can definitely get into.

>Terrance Heath 

Stanford S.  Guillory
guillory@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:29:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1SEP199207263241@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.155402.7751@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes...
   
>>Well, the dichotomy is clear as you listen to Black Sheep's album, at least 
>>they aren't one-sided about it; however, it seems that the listener takes
>>away from rap what s/he walks in with. I think BS is artistically one of the
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm not carrying any "baggage", if that's what your trying to say.  I am a
>Black woman which I happen to enjoy. I am always going to see things from the
>perspective of a Black woman.  This does not mean that I am insensitive or
>narrow-minded about other views.  

No, this isn't what I was inferring from your comment. I was rambling from the
male perspective: if BS appeals because of their belittling, then the listener
probably viewed things from this perspective to begin with. 
>
>I happen to LIKE Black Sheep!! What I'm saying is that the views that they
>express about women are the common views of the average twentysomething
>Black man.

I guess I was approaching this somewhat obliquely along the lines of DCAL
on the other thread: a lot of young males need to check their views about
women. I am under the impression that a lot of guys are tickled as to the 
attitude of BS whereas the attitude should be taken with grains of salt.

Mc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Sister comes home to Demos
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:47:28 GMT

Check this from the late Republican Convention:

[from the S.F. Examiner, Thursday August 20, 1992]

BLACK WOMAN FELT EXCLUDED IN GOP
AFTER BUCHANAN'S SPEECH, OAKLANDER LEFT CONVENTION--AND MAY LEAVE
PARTY

Carol Ward Allen remembers the turned up noses she encountered when
she announced that she was changing her political party affiliation
from Democrat to Republican in 1980.

A black Oakland woman with a background in civil rights activism, it
seemed inappropriate to many of her friends for her to join the
staid ranks of the conservative party.  But Ward Allen saw
things differently.

But that changed quickly as the convention got underway and the
party's far right reared up.  And it was Republican presidential
primary loser Pat Buchanan's speech that forced her to leave early
and return to Oakland wondering if she can support the party at all,
or whether Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton might not
be a better alternative.

..."Now unfortunately," Ward said Wednesday, "the way Bush's
campaign is going he is pushing people out.  They aren't inclusive.
 And when Buchanan made some of his statements--about Los Angeles,
the militia and Korean family values--I just kind of cringed.

"There were clearly tinges of racism, in a sense he was not really
inclusive about the black American in a positive way. Some of his
other statements bordered on racism."

...Still, her decision to leave the convention, was not supposed to
become a "big issue.  It was mainly to express my concern and not to
speak for all African Americans and all women."

But reporters observed Ward Allen as she was leaving the
convention hall and interviewed her.  By the time she returned home,
there were more calls for interviews.  And Wednesday afternoon, when
she arrived home there were 25 messages from newspapers and TV
organizations and a message from Bill Clinton's Washington campaign
office.

..."Right now," said Ward Allen, "I just want to reflect, talk to
some of the Republican officials.  I'm not taking any position."

[Please note (...) means that there were other paragraphs which were
not used to send this article.]
.
.
.
I haven't heard one way or another whether the sister came home to
the Demos to stay.  I know one thing, I'd be shamed of being in the
party of Clarence Thomas and Condoleezza Rice. IMO, black Republican
means non-sequitur.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:48:05 GMT

In article <17lh6fINNpsm@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts) writes:
>>the film industry being racist etc., but I think he was way off base
>>when he said that people need to see this film to support Malcolm X.
>
>>Malcolm, but it is purely entertainment.  If you want to do something
>>to support Malcolm, you should be doing something positive in the
>
>
>Why exactly does Malcolm need to be supported? When a man has been
>dead over twenty years, I think he pretty much doesn't care about
>support anymore. 
>
>
>Stanford S. Guillory
>guillory@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

True enough, I guess I should have said support his ideals.

Peace
	 Warren Watts

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:12:15 GMT




>I heard a group of Blacks interviewed on NPR regarding the Denny beating a few
>months ago.  Let me tell you, with one notable exception, you could have sworn
>it was a bunch of White bigots justifying the King beating.  It was truly 
>pathetic.  If you reversed the racial terms, the conversation could have easily
>taken place in an ethnic bar in Howard Beach, NY; Parma, OH or Cicero, IL.

>Sorry, there are enough WHITE Klansman.  I don't think we're benefitting 
>ourselves in any way by acting like Black ones....



Newsflash:

Sunday StarNews Sunday, August 30, 1992

Police Blotter


	A racially motivated violent incident was reported to have
	occured just after 10pm on August 29. A white woman was trying
	to use a payphone at the 100 block of Greenfield St. and was
	attacked by three violent black men. Three black men rode by
	on bicycles and threw bottles at her according to police reports.
	They also shouted racial slurs "White bitch...." etc.

	The woman said that she could identify her attackers if she saw them
	again.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Sep 92 21:38:10 GMT

carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

>In article <stovall.714950012@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>> The original budget was something like 28 Mil which was chickenfeed for
>> the most important African American film ever made. One report said that
>> Batman Returns might have cost as much as 100 Mil. Even "small" Hollywood
>> efforts like "League of Our Own" (which, while "small", did have a lot
>> of high-priced talent) can easily run 40. It was not reasonable for them
>> to let Spike get skewered by the completion bond company as soon as he
>> hit the budget.

>Your analysis is flawed. Movie budgets are measured in gross / cost,
>not the absolute cost of making it. For instance, Terminator II was
>able to spend $100 million because the gross receipts were expected to
>exceed $1,000 million (G/C of 10). Similarly for Batman Returns. A
>gross of $300 - $400 million for "League of Our Own" would not be an
>unreasonable expectation.  While it may be true that Lee's movie will
>be the "most important African American film ever made", it's not
>clear that that will translate into large gross receipts.

The studios are obviously in business to make money.  The science of
predicting gross revenues is notoriously inexact, but the claim is that
WB should have every reason to believe that X will recoup a $35 Million
investment based on Spike's track record, the volatility of the material,
and the extraordinary anticipation accompanying the opening of the film.
I'm no Barry Diller, but there is the appearance of a double standard
when Penny Marshall can spend 40 Mil on a baseball movie, a genre
known to have a steep downside, while Spike gets jacked spending 35 on
a movie that to me has much greater potential, both critically and
commercially.

BTW, your numbers are way too high for domestic gross expectations:
T2 did something like 250 M, B2 will probably not reach 200 M, and
no sane person would have expected "League" to do more than 100 M
(its done maybe 60 M so far). Any measure other than domestic gross
is murky, since overseas rights are frequently sold to minimize risk
and video and ancillary revenues are usually obscured by studio
accounting (often to the dismay of profit participants).
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american