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From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Elite..... My Foot!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:17:15 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !

In article <1993Jan10.033155.24823@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.175605.1577@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>In article <1il69oINNosn@shelley.u.washington.edu> shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan8.155423.11614@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>
>>.... (previous postings deleted)
>>
>>>>
>
>
>>initially became rich, before trying to answer this question I'll question
>>its pertinence. Do we challenge people's right to be rich? We aren't communists
>>are we?
>
>	" Behind every rich man there is alarge crime"

I had heard "behind every million, there is a crime"... I may be wrong though.

but hey, there's another one... "behind every successful man, there is a woman".
... or something like this.

If it's fair to call rich people successful, it must be the woman doing the 
crime :) :)

>
>We may not be communist, but then are we captilist ????????
>to be rich in pakistan, while millions of people are below poverty levels,
>is not a crime it is a heinous crime.
>Islam is a socialist religion, which preaches people to be charitable
>and humane.

Your point has an inherent appeal. I have a question though. From today's
standards, many industrialists in Pakistan are far more rich than Jam Sadiq
Ali (say for instance). You would also agree that the time period in which
one becomes rich is significant in the sense that it points at the _rate_ at
which people are being exploited. Now, when we compare a family that became
rich in say 500 years with an individual that became richer in 40-50 years,
isn't it fairly clear that if committing crimes is directly linked with 
the amount of money you have (as you suggest), Pakistan's industrialists
are bigger criminals? Then why do we attack vadera's and not industrialists?

>
> Similarly Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto was a rich person himself. These people
>>had palacious houses before Z.A. Bhutto ever joined politics. Au contraire,
>>people like Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi were no body before taking public office.
>>I know this family a little bit more than others do. Ghulam Mustafa used to
>>stand outside tapedars' offices with boxes of mangoes. Look at the progress
>>they've made :)
>>
>
>They do have good mangoes .....

I was talking about 50's and 60's. Their mangoes didn't use to be so good
those days .. believe me :) :)

Talking of mangoes, have you tried Kachhelo's?

>
>>What happenned to Karachi's parks? well, go ask the Jamaat-e-Islami. They
>>were controlling KMC weren't they?
>>
>>>
>
>ofcourse we cant blame only jam sadiq for karachi's parks, i am sure 
>a number of muhajirs had there share as well.
>
>sahibzada rafay khan
>
>

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:54:42 CST
From: <U28698@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Pak Army Chief dies of heart-attack
Distribution: world

(I'd change the title, but I don't know how)

Major Aftab Hasan recently had his 3rd (?) stroke.  His health is rapidly deter
iorating.

Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilahi Raja Un.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: What happened to Bhangis/Chamaars ?
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:10:31 GMT

In article <dbose.726389238@khamsin.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>
>>DEAR MENAGE O TROIS,
>
>>JUST AS THE LOCAL AMERICANS HERE WERE BEGINING TO UNDERSTAND THE SLUM
>>LANGUAGE OF INDIA/PAK, AND ACTUALLY GETTING MORE INSIGHT INTO THE CULTURAL
>>RICHNESS OF THE SUB-CONTINENT, ALL THE BHANGIS/CHAMAARS STOPPED ?
>
>>WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?
>
>>COULD IT BE THAT YOU GOT SCARED OF SOMETHING ? OR IS IT THAT YOU GUYS ARE 
>>ATTEMPTING TO COPY WESTERN IDEAS IN "TEHZEEB" AND "IQLAAQ", WHERE STUDENTS
>>WITH YOUR KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES POST IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
>
>>I IMPLORE YOU. SPECIFICALLY, DEE PAK(ISTANI) KISSES(BOSE) WHO I THINK IS A
>>PAKISTANI BENGALI BHAI RUN AWAY FROM MOM/POP TO CLEAN U.S TOILETS AFTER HE
>>GOT TIRED OF SEXUAL ABUSE WHILE CLEANING PAKISTANI TOILETS.
>
>>AND YOU, DEB(UTTANTE) CHATTER  JEE, YOU SEEMED SO PROMISING IN YOUR POTENTIAL
>>AS A MAHATMA (GREAT LEADER/CHATTER) ON SCP/SCI/SCB TO LIBERATE  THE NET FROM
>>DREARY TOPICS/LANGUAGE, WHY DID YOU STOP ? ARE U ANOTHER BENGALI BHAI TOO ?
>
>>AND OH, IN MY DISSAPOINTMENT, I ALMOST FORGOT, YOU LITTLE NI SHIT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR LEAVING YOU OUT IN THE COLD. Hmmmmmmmmm. YOU DO FREEZE UP PRETTY QUICK,DONT YOU ?! MY, YOU HAVE SUCH ACUMEN, AND HOW WELL U CONNECT IN THE DAISY
>>CHAIN WITH THE TWO BHANGIS ABOVE !
>
>>PLEASE TELL US. WE WILL NOT TELL ANOTHER SOUL, HOW YOUR WINTER MENAGE O TROIS 
>>GO ?  AND, IS THIS COMMON AMONGST BENGALIS LIVING AWAY FROM HOME ?
>
>
>
>>COME, COME, NOW DONT BE SHY, WE ARE ALL COUNTING ON YOU.......
>
>
>>Best Regards,
>>Shams Hasan.
>
>
>  DEKH SHAMS ,
>
>	DON'T EXCITE ME WITHOUT ANY REASON . IF I AGAIN START GIVING GAALIS
>	YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DIGEST AND RUN AWAY TO PAKISTAN LEAVING YOUR
>	AMERICAN CULTURE AND A** HERE .
>
>	YOU PAKI BASTARD JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR BUSINESS .
>
>	GUSSA AAYA TO TERE MAA/BAAP/BEHEN/BHAI KISI KO NAHI CHODUNGA .
>
>	JAA AB BHAAG JAA .
>
>
>							Deepak
>

Deepak, why are you getting so upset by such posts.  This guy is a self
confessed insane dude.  He has confessed in the past that his family 
to protect their beautiful Irani/Pathan complexion have been marrying 
internally for centuries.  This guy does not deserve our anger, he
only deserves our pity.   

Manoj
From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Inauguration question
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:12:19 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
>    taken the oath once?  And what about the two term limit? Is it
>    two terms altogether or two terms in a row that is the limit?

Huh ?

In USA they have a two-term limit, but not here in Iceland (I don't know
about Finland - the only other Nordic country to have a president).  Our
president (Vigdis Finnbogadottir) just started her fourth four-year term
(and not surprisingly, there was no other candidate), but she has said that
this will be her last term.

-frisk

-- 
--
Fridrik Skulason      Frisk Software International     phone: +354-1-694749
Author of F-PROT      E-mail: frisk@complex.is         fax:   +354-1-28801
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"? 
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:33:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.003930.19040@abo.fi>, JMARTTILA@FINABO.ABO.FI 
(Fast-Eddie Felson) writes:

> There is not too much sence in economical or related unification  between 
> Estonia and  the Nordic countries.  Both sides would  benefit  of limited 
> political co-operation.  Currently I just can't see how it could work, if 
> the co-operation  reached the  internordic extent.  The Nordic  countries
> wouldn't gain as much as they give.


In the Baltic case the idea is that Norden should support the newly
independent states more determinedly. Not that we should gain as much as
we give.

In the long run the solidarity would benefit us as well: stabilizing the
Baltic counditions could be a noble cause and a realistic goal.


Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lucca@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (antonio lucca)
Subject: stockholm university internet address?
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:14:27 GMT

Please, can someone tell me the internet address? 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Juhana.Rasanen@hut.fi (Juhana R{s{nen)
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Organization: /u/opi/t/justus/.organization
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:25:41

>Edmund Joseph Ryan writes:

>>Are Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish similar to the extent that
>>a speaker of one could get by with the other two?

Some of my experiences: (Note: I'm not a native Swedish speaker; I've
had 6 years Swedish in the school and half a year at the university.)

At least written Norwegian and Danish are quite understandable for me,
I can read a newspaper or discuss via irc or talk. Spoken language is
different - from what I've heard from TV, Norwegian is somewhat
understandable (you get the basic idea, but don't understand completely),
but Danish is close to impossible... But if you have to, you can
understand some Danish: I was 15 (had had 3 years Swedish), when our
class spent a week in Nakskov, Denmark. We were staying in families,
and unluckily the parents of my family didn't speak English at all...
They understood my Swedish, but to get me to understand, they had to
repeat the sentence several times and speak slowly and try to find
expressions I would understand. Nevertheless - I was able to have at
least some kind of conversation with my hosts.

One point worth noting might be that the Swedish spoken in Finland is
somewhat different to the language in Sweden, at least when it comes
to pronounciation. I think I've heard that it is easier for the
Danes and the Norwegian than the Swedish of Sweden ('rikssvenska').
Somebody said that it's the best approximation of so called skandinaviska,
Swedish, Norwegian or Danish spoken in the way that the others would
be able to understand. (Yeah, this is bare hearsay, maybe somebody
could confirm these claims?)

But to the original question: Yes, I think we're able to get by - to
some degree at least.



	Juhana
--
	"Never argue with a six-year-old who shaves."

		-- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: snorre@tellus.unik.no (Snorre Aunet)
Subject: UNINETT adresser
Organization: Universitetsstudiene paa Kjeller (UNIK), University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:02:05 GMT

From "klv@ugle.unit.no (Knut Lambrigt Vik)" Wed Aug 19 09:33:08 1992
Flags: 000000000001
Article-Number: 142
Newsgroups: no.uninett.diverse
From: tonypaso@polaris.utu.fi (Tony Matti Juhani Paso)
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:29:20 GMT

hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>The beef is that 'Nordic' is not a natural category, and therefore to argue 
>over whether X is Nordic or not is an exercise in futility.  There simply is 
>no matter of empirical fact to be decided there, merely a matter of variable 
>convention.  If Estonia gets admitted to the Nordic Council, then suddenly

To mix you up a bit more... The term "Nordic" (in the meaning of SF,SWE,DK,
NOR and ISL) existed before the Nordic Council. In the 1920-30's people
knew what the term Nordic countries meant. They didn't need a official
and governmental organ to guide their thoughts about what was and what 
wasn't  "Nordic".

>it has become Nordic, but there are no criteria that you can apply, at this 

Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are Baltic. In the twenties Finland was 
sometimes included to that group (as well as the Nordic group). If 
Baltic countries were to join the Nordic Council, maybe the name should
be changed to something like "The Baltic Sea Council". And somehow
devise a way to keep Germany and Russia out of it. Who cares anyway. 

>time, to demonstrate that it is Nordic and therefore should be admitted to 
>the Council.  If the Vatican, Somalia, and New Zealand get admitted to the 
>Council, then they too would be Nordic, right?

Wrong. If Finland applied (and got accepted) for the OAS ,she would become
a American state overnight, right? Or how about the SPF? Wow, by your
reasoning Finland would be a southern Pacific state. I think we should
apply right away. I'd like the SP climate. Who cares about geography.

You've been playing with words in your posting. Making a strict equation
between the term "Nordic" and on organization founded sometime 1950 (?).
Nordic has a historical+cultural meaning extending far beyond that. Somalia
would never ever be Nordic, even if she joined the Council.


>And someone should notify the Bering Straits Inuit that they are speaking a 
>Nordic language.  Perhaps they could get some support from the Nordic 
>Council?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: The Samii Languages (are Nordic!)
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:12:12 GMT

Regarding the discussion about Estonia's "Swedishness" in
order to qualify as "Nordic," I was under the impression
that Estonia qualifies as "Nordic" because of its
"Finnishness," Finnish and Estonian being very similar
languages.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: ovr@lk-hp-5.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:22:00 GMT
Organization: L{nsi-Uudenmaan Keisarillinen Polyteknillinen Koulu
Reply-To: ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-5.hut.fi

In article <hberg.292@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>"d" instead of "f"????  Example, please!

In the original it was '\"a instead of \ae'. Do you still want an example?
--
Ott-Vill R_______________     If 'a' is beer, somebody is
ovr@snakemail.hut.fi             stripping your 8th bit.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Keywords: klapperslange, stoevsauger
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:01:52 GMT

In article <185@complex.complex.is> frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason) writes:

>hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>>other words, the Dane can use (something close to what Chomsky called) 
>>underlying forms.  For a Swede to pull the reciprocal trick, he'd have to 
>>apply all the phonological rules that the Danes have added over the last few 
>>centuries -

>Nah....the Swede just needs to drink a few beers first.... :-)

I see the beginnings of a new science here: alco-linguistics.  You induce 
Danish by filling up a Swede.  Or if you sober up a Dane, does he speak 
Swedish?  Notify the Nobel Committee!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Organization: Norwegian Inst. of Tech./University of Trondheim, Trondheim,
	Norway
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:06:33

>>>>> In article <199301061742.AA10809@tuna.wang.com>, IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:

> Edmund Joseph Ryan writes:

>> Are Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish similar to the extent that
>> a speaker of one could get by with the other two?

> I've noticed that here in the Boston area Norwegian and Swedish
> au pair girls usually speak English with each other.

That's strange...

> I think the Norwegians and Danes here speak their native languges
> with each other.

That's even stranger. I have much much more trouble understanding
spoken Danish than spoken Swedish.

I have read enough Swedish (you get good training at reading Swedish
fast from reading subtitles on Swedish television) to be able to read
Swedish and Danish at about the same level (ie. pretty fast. Reading
either slowly is no problem). 

The problems with written Swedish is a slightly off vocabulary and the
strange spelling rules they've got ("ck" instead of "kk", "" instead
of "", etc. ...). The problems with Danish are their weird sentence
structures and a sligthly off vocabulary. From my point of view Danish
spelling also leaves a lot to be desired (eg. no indication of short
or long vowel sounds) but since they don't pronounce it the way they
spell it anyways I can't really blame them...:-)

> The Faero Island au pairs here speak Danish with people from Norway
> and Denmark, but English with the Swedes, I understand.

Yeah, well, can't really expect the Swedes to understand Danish, not
even the Danish with Norwegian-like pronounciation I suspect they
speak to the Norwegians

> Icelandic people here speak Danish with the others, except with
> the Swedes, from what I have been told.

Really? All Icelanders not resident in Norway I've met have preferred
English. Icelanders in Norway usually change the Danish they have
learnt once upon a time into a kind of Norwegian.

> I'm not sure what people from the Faeroe Islands would speak to
> people from Iceland, but I presume it would be Danish which they
> study in school.

Or maybe Faeroese (Faeroeic?).

> I'll forward this on to our global language adaption centre for
> possible further comments.

Huh? Meaning...?

- Steinar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mikak@microsoft.com (Mike Kortelainen)
Subject: Re: Inauguration question
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:05:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1993Jan11.154055.15613@abo.fi> JANIEMI@FINABO.ABO.FI wrote:
> I _think_ that the two-term limit means two terms altogether.

Is there really a limitation on the Finnish president nowadays?
I haven't seen any mention of such a thing in the Finnish papers we
get here in Ireland.

> 
> presidential oath is actually not an oath, it is a "solemn declaration", 
> which does not invoke God. Even those presidents, who have been installed
                 ^^^^^^

"invoke God"???? Huh, I didn't know the presidents were into occultism...
<grin>

	--Mika

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From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 29 94 41
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)

TH>> Is Inuit (Eskimo) a Nordic language?


TH>Inuit languages spoken in Greenland are Nordic languages by definition.

Huh!? Would this make the kreol of Danish West-India a Nordic language
if Denmark had retained its colonies there?

Kjetil


 * OLX 2.1 TD * I have an attitude and I know how to use it
From: d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:50:39 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:



>: But ,Sure, I truly feel sorry that we horrible Swedes totally ruined your
>: beautifully civilized country in the 12th century when we occupied it,
>: build universities and organized cities and stuff. I really think it's
>: a crying shame that the world doesnt declare Finns as the highest of all
>: races and mr. Ryyti to be the Finns leader...

>I would not be so sure about the superiority of swedish language as a 
>language of intelligenzia. The language used earlier at the swedish
>universities was namely LATIN.
>Not swedish. Swedish became very late a language of
>the universities. Swedish Academia was founded first 1800 th century
>(av Gustav III p} 1700-talet)

Please mr. Ryyti, just tell me...  Where in any of my postings have
I said that swedish is a superior language??? Because, I will be the
first to admit that swedish is a language not suited for many things
such as poetry and songwriting and such. But unfortionately finnish
is not on my list over nice, poetic languages. Latin is a magnificent
language to keep mass in church and to teach folks the stupid things
they learned in the universities those days...


>The first dissertion written in SWEDISH  was a tornedal FINN
>named Anders Hellant and it was he who gave swedish language an academical
>status. Sorry if I destroy your world?

Sorry but you couldn't destroy my world unless you brought me
a tactical nuke or eqvivalent...


>The stupidity which many swedes represent even in this newsgroup with this
>background is again proved. The swedes university people had every evening
>to give a pray of thankfulness for the Finns. Otherwise  swedish were 
>remained a language of peasents. 

What's wrong with peasants??? (or peasents if you like the spelling better)
You talk about fachism!?!!? To me this mr. Jarmo Ryyti looks like the worst
kind of far-out,right-wing , baby-kissing B'stard found here on the net!!
The peasants of the world are a quite important group of people , but
in mr. Ryyti's world the most important man was a Finn who brought 
salmon-money to Stockholm and wrote his stuff in swedish. Get a life
mr. Ryyti. 
Why don't you just go out and set fire to the Communist-party's HQ!!
Or maybe you dont have a Communist party in Finland?? Or maybe youre
just all born with a silverspoon in your mouth ?? And you put it there???

The Swedes!!! The Swedes!!!! The Swedes!!!!

Here comes the long awaited smiley..... :)
Which I hope that everyone understands ( #include <mr.Ryyti>   )

-Henrik Jonsson  , d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se

People of the world , UNITE!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:46:00 GMT

In article <1ikk8pINNh14@sauna.cs.hut.fi> ovr@lk-hp-5.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:

>In article <hberg.292@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>>"d" instead of "f"????  Example, please!

>In the original it was '\"a instead of \ae'. Do you still want an example?
>--
No; I guess I'm the victim of 8-bit confusion?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:52:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.022409.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:



>Where's the beef?


The beef is that 'Nordic' is not a natural category, and therefore to argue 
over whether X is Nordic or not is an exercise in futility.  There simply is 
no matter of empirical fact to be decided there, merely a matter of variable 
convention.  If Estonia gets admitted to the Nordic Council, then suddenly 
it has become Nordic, but there are no criteria that you can apply, at this 
time, to demonstrate that it is Nordic and therefore should be admitted to 
the Council.  If the Vatican, Somalia, and New Zealand get admitted to the 
Council, then they too would be Nordic, right?

And someone should notify the Bering Straits Inuit that they are speaking a 
Nordic language.  Perhaps they could get some support from the Nordic 
Council?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic