HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:44:28 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct13.135623.4488@access.digex.com>, corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
> In article <-1366945850snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>>
>>That place white people used to call Ayres Rock, which the Aboriginal
>>people call Uluru. Nobody calls it Ayres Rock any more.
>>
>>That place is *ULURU*.
>>
>>Gil
> 
> Why, when I read your last line, do I get a sense that Uluru is more than
> merely a name. The way you've phrased it, it sounds as much like a descriptive
> adjective as anything. As if to say "That place is really uluru, man." Is
> it an aboriginal adjective? Is it a description of a power that the native
> Australians associate with the place? That line just jumped out at me.
> 
> Bb,
> 
> Corun
> 


	Gil,
		These posts reminded me of a question I wanted to ask for years.
		It seems strange that the aboriginal (?) people of Australia
			are called Aborigines.

		Do Aboringines A) Mind? and B) have a name they prefer?
			and C) a name I would prefer?



					-Matthew.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.religion.sabaean,alt.mythology
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<YeoZKha00WBLI8bo4M@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:13:28 GMT

In article <YeoZKha00WBLI8bo4M@andrew.cmu.edu> 
Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>The ancient mesopotamians both worshipped and fought their serpent. 
>Tiamat was what they were created from, according to the myth.  Hence,
>they respect and worship her.  By the same token, she was evil, and was
>slain, therefore she was fought (by Marduk). This argues that the myth
>originated here, 6,000 years ago before anyone else had anything
>resembling a serpent myth.

There were three neolithic centers, Iraq, Mexico and SE Asia. We know the
most about Iraq (Mesopotamia) because it is in a semi-arid climate and
because it has been studied the most by Europeans. BUT, Iraq is not the
inventor of everything. Zero comes from India and Mexico for example.
BUT, the serpent is not a neolithic invention. The serpent shows up 
almost everywhere, well before the neolithic.
From: larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:49:29 EDT
Organization: The Satellite of Love

In article <se8isB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser) writes:
>Although I have a certain fondness for this old TV show, it's mostly from
>nostalgia. On the rare occasions that I've seen the show recently, it's atually
>been quite annoying to me the way we come off.

There were, perhaps surprisingly, a few very sympathetic moments as well.
The one that sticks in my mind is an episode where Aunt Clara is babysitting
some neighborhood children (who love her, of course).  When she tells one
of the mothers that she's a witch, the mother forbids her from seeing the
children, and brings Clara in front of some sort of mental competency
judge.  I forget the exact dialog, but it was something like this:

Judge: So tell me about being a witch.
Clara: Well, we're just like everyone else except we do a few... special
       things.
Judge: What kinds of things?
Clara: Some of us paint, some dance, some write music, like Bach...
Judge: Are you saying Bach was a witch?
Clara: You surely didn't think a _mortal_ could write music like that?

At least in some of the black and white episodes, I got the distinct
feeling that some of the writers knew exactly what they were talking
about.

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From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ritual Help For a Sick Friend
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


If your friend is not on SELF administered meds for this, he probably
should be. I use an insulin pump, and I know that the manufacturer
(MiniMed) makes one for use in exactly these kinds of situations. Having
the pump there so your friend can give the pain meds when HE needs them
may make a huge difference -- when they put you on a "schedule," there
is often quite a period when the meds wear off, then have to build up
to an effective dose all over again. The pump can be set to deliver a
continuous dose so there is always some in his system (a "basal" dose)
then if he needs more, he can goose the pump to give more (a "bolus".)
He shouldn't let them give him any crap about getting addicted -- it
simply is NOT an issue here. He deserves to be comfortable, and this is
in fact an approach to pain mangement that is becoming more common.
IT'S WORTH ASKING.

My uncle died of bone cancer in June '91, it just ate him up from
inside. His Remembrance was last Samhain.... 

Blessings and tears, --Debbie
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:53:18 GMT

In article <2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
|> You've talked in the past about what you've said to fundies when they
|> pushed you to keep the situation from getting out of hand.  I think I
|> need some help in that department.

I'm somewhat at a loss as to why th einternet is a better place to
ask for help than the professors in your department.  It's not as
if anthropology prof's have never encountered this situation before!
I'll bet your department has a well-defined position on how to
deal with this question, which you probably better find out whether
you end up agreeing with it or not.

Anyway, back in the really good old days when I was an anthro major
(color TV had been invented, but was still a luxury item), the course 
director, on the first day of the first intro class said:
   "If you don't believe in evolution, drop this class right now."
(He went on to explain the importance of not only as a biological
theory, but as a central analogy for all of anthropology--the "evolution"
of cultures, the "evolution" of languages, and so on.)

Also, back in the good old days, before the US supreme court became
a branch of the white house, there was such a thing as the first
amendment doctrine of "academic freedome".  This doctrine holds
that teachers are in charge of what they teach.  Under this doctrine
you don't even have to discuss creationism unless it is part of the
course.

  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:43:40 GMT

In article <37357@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:
In some other article, ailsa writes:
>
>}   it has no scars, it is smooth,
>
>Um, mine doesn't have scars and is smooth as well.

I hate to be so clinical, but wait until it is erect, then look at it --
really LOOK.  For at least one inch down the shaft past the glans, the
skin texture is significantly different than on the rest of the shaft
towards the root.  If you look at the shape of the area with the
differing texture, it is most definitely a scar.

Regards circumcision itself, I'm not fond of it for gut reasons of
really hating fucking with the genitals by cutting stuff off of them,
but I can't say anything about it past that.  TMM is of the opinion that
it's easier to keep clean, so you might as well.  Since I don't plan on
having kids, though, it's not like it matters.

Blessings,
Janis
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Lurker unlurks
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:36:13 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1992Oct16.182203.5413@colorado.edu>
   burkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (respect others' visions- live your own) writes:
>
>I just wanted everyone to know that I finally read every letter
>that has been posted. It's not a big accomplishment, I know.
>But I hope that you will be supportive about this and just quietly
>allow me to be proud of myself.
>
>I just thought you should know.
>
>Laura

I hate to tell you this, but you haven't read THIS letter yet. :-)

If you are complaining that you've run out of reading matter, I can talk
to our systems administrator and see if we can get all the campus e-mail
routed through to your local e-mail address. I would imagine you could
intercept all the dirty letters going between bosses and their secretaries
and then tell on their spouses. 

Just an idea.

Congratulations,

Murray

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altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Amazon warriors
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:31:17 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00014-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


I've gotten into a discussion on another news group about
women in warfare.  During that discussion, I brought
up the Amazons as a case for warrior women in the earlier
part of our history.  A respondant mentioned that since there
was hardly any evidence that they ever existed, I should stick
to modern examples.

This person may have a point.  I would argue about sticking
to modern examples, but I am open to any information any of you
out there might have evidence-wise on the existence of Amazon
warriors.

Thanks in advance.

-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"Today is within my reach, and tomorrow is so illusive
 But I'm still chasing time through increasing disillusion
 Forever living for the future of an illusion."

 -- FATES WARNING-- "Perfect Symmetry"
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From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: party at Philcon
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:11:57 GMT
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Mark,
Thanks for the invitation; unfortunatly I'm only going as far as 
Pittsburgh, and expect to be on the road somewhere in W.Va. for
the holiday.<sigh> I do want to be sure to be back home in time
to VOTE!! I wish I could claim that there is some underlying reason
for this particular professional conference to be occurring over
Samhain every year, but if there is one, I haven't found it...<g>
--Debbie


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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:04:05 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct13.135623.4488@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com writes:

 > Why, when I read your last line, do I get a sense that Uluru is more than
 > merely a name. The way you've phrased it, it sounds as much like a descriptive
 > adjective as anything. As if to say "That place is really uluru, man." Is
 > it an aboriginal adjective? Is it a description of a power that the native
 > Australians associate with the place? That line just jumped out at me.

Good, I hoped it would. The place really *is*, man.

Not just for the Aboriginal people who own the place I believe you are
referring to as "native Australians" (I am native myself; of the seventh
generation). The power of Uluru and so many other places like it really
do infiltrate our consciousness and identity as Australians in a very
big way.

There are very sacred ceremonies associated with Uluru, and busloads of
people visit the place every day now; almost a holy pilgrimage right
to the heart of this continent. Perhaps nothing like Stonehenge is to
the Brits, but it is certainly getting that way.

BTW, I doubt very much if the disappearance of Azaria Chamberlain at
Uluru, whose parents were visiting as part of a Church group, would
have created anywhere near such a national trauma had she gone from
someone's suburban back yard . . .

Gil

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:50:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.180152.21740@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>
>But if we keep this up, will the rest here start practicing Woadun on us?
>
>BB (while running for cover)
>	mark

Tell me something. Woadya do with a drunken sailor?

Bb,

Corun

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From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Searching for a Path
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:53:25 GMT
Organization: roma backwards is amor

In article <yw8LsB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> 
kitten@brewich.hou.tx.us (Kitten) writes:
>Hello to all. I am hoping that someone can help me by helping me define
>the Path of Druidism. I have some various beliefs and think that this may 
>be the path I wish to follow, but I need more information on Druidism 
>before I can decide. I posted on another source and got no response 
>whatsoever, but hopefully some kindly soul hereabouts will take my hand 
>and lead me through the unrevealed (to me) parts of Paganism.
>T'anks...

Why not go on your own quest, perhaps in search to the grail, perhaps
something you find to be more useful. Chose the road less travelled, why not?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Subject: Re: bad woad puns.
Keywords: (groan)
Reply-To: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:15:56 GMT

A pict-tincture is worth a thousand woads...
 
I came up with that one in my sleep last night. 
 
Needless to say, I woke up with a cramp 8-)
 
Joe
(jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:47:13 GMT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Oct13.193117.11464@ncsu.edu>, blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LY
> > 
> > I've gotten into a discussion on another news group about
> > women in warfare.  During that discussion, I brought
> > up the Amazons as a case for warrior women in the earlier
> > part of our history.  A respondant mentioned that since there
> > was hardly any evidence that they ever existed, I should stick
> > to modern examples.
> > 
> > This person may have a point.  I would argue about sticking
> > to modern examples, but I am open to any information any of you
> > out there might have evidence-wise on the existence of Amazon
> > warriors.
> 
> Maybe instead of bringing up Amazon women, you could bring up Celtic
> women.  There's definitely more information available on them.  And
> from the information that I've seen, they often fought alongside the
> men.
> 
> 
>     __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
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>  (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
> ----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40

It seems to me that I remeber reading that in many Germanic tribes women 
fighters were not unknown.  ANd I have read that during the crusades 
women left at home when thier knightly husbands went on the crusades had 
to organize defenses of their homes and castles in that absense.
See Barabara Tuchman's book , "A Distant Mirror" for that and several 
other instances of women warriors during the 14th Century.

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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:22:32 GMT


INTJ here.  (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Judgemental)


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>
>Oh! Woad is me!
>"...Woad's the stuff to show men.
>   Woad to scare your foemen.
> Boil it to a brilliant blue, and
>   rub it on your legs and your abdomen..."

But do you know "It's a long and winding woad...."? ;-)

Bb,

Corun



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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Dragon
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:23:34 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <fTAjrAk@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us writes:

 > Couldn't agree more. War makes a very poor metaphor for life. As
 > Nietzsche put it, don't cast out the devil in you for fear of losing your
 > best part. Make love with your self, not war. Turn the energy around. Do
 > the right thing.

Hm. Do I detect a trace of latent nobility here?

It was around the 12c that the Chinese Emperors found themselves
actually descended from a dragon. Married into the family, so to
speak.

Is that what you mean by "Turning the energy around"? Incorporating
the energy? This is an interesting thread.

Gil

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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: just wondering
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:13:58 GMT

In article <2ACEAE9E.25734@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu 
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> Anyone else see Saturday Night Live?  I'm not just talking about Sinead
> O'Connor -- the whole SHOW was heavy.  They are really scared, here.  Of
> course, it helped that the actor from "Bob Roberts" was on . . . 
> 
> Blessings,
> Janis 
> 

  I'm sorry to say that I missed it.  One of the prices of living
so far out in the country is that we only periodically receive
anything resembling TV (and _NO_ I'm not willing to consider
paying the price of a good car for a satelite dish).

  I have to admit a major crush on Sinead.  Her politics, her
music, her (imnsho) major bod.  Yowsers!

  We did catch her for a couple of minutes on another show
which has parodies of other programs, but I'm not sure what
the name of the show was -- she was applying for John Carson's
old job.  She came out for the monologue and went straight into
a rant about fat 'mericans.  Then, for the "karnac" bit;

  "Blood, sweat, an' tears" (beautiful accent)

  "Blood, sweat, and tears" (Ed impersonator, dirty looks
from Sinead, rip, poof, yank);

  "What you'll all be drinking after the apocolypse."

  I and my partner were rolling on the floor for minutes.

  A lot of people who I work with really, really -- and I
mean almost to the point of displaying an obsession, hate
Sinead "and all she stands for"

  "What's she stand for?" I ask.

  "You know.  THEM."

  That's about as far as I can get.  Something about not
being attractive, something about hating 'merica, something
about not dressing right, something about not having enough
hair.

  I guess I haven't gotten too many answers 'cause I usually
come right out and say that I can't decide what attracts me
most, her body or her politics (actually, it's probably her
music -- what a voice!  what passion!).

  So anyways -- I hope she set 'em all on their asses during
Saturday Night Live.  Guess I'll just have to wait for the
re-run.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

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