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   From: robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano)
   Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
   Date: 6 Apr 92 20:08:35 GMT
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   In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu> aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
   >If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
   >distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
   >distances more frequently during the week?


   Run longer more frequently! :-)

Smart aleck answers aside, the verdict is as follows. When you run, the
energy comes from burning carbs(Ec) and fats(Ef). Ec/Ef is greater
than one initially and decreases with time. The ratio become one at
about 20 minutes and keeps decreasing. So, if you are running for 20
minutes 6 days a week as compared to 40 minutes 3 days a week, I think
it is better to run 3 days a week if your goal is to lose fat. My
source of the above info is "Galloways book of Running". Somebody
could probably verify this from the Tim Noakes book who is better
qualified.

Amitabh Agrawal




Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Subject: Boston Marathon Self-Defense!
Reply-To: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Organization: M.I.T.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:23:53 GMT

Hey, I didn't mean to start a flamethrower war.  Neither did I ask to be
pilloried for planning to do something that several thousand people do
each year.  
Thanks to all the folks who tried to explain what I have always
understood to be the "official" position on unofficial runners.  Hey, if
the Mayor of Boston does it (he does), it must be OK, right?  (Go ahead
and flame away on that one, folks.)

F.Y.I. - I have registered for every other race I've run.  No marathons
though.
I'd certainly have registered for Boston if they'd let me.  Next year. 
Having lived in Boston, on the course, less than a mile from the finish,
for almost ten years, this race has much more meaning for me than any
other.  I have wanted to run it for each of those ten years, and finally
I have gotten serious enough to do it.  For those who can't understand
that, or who begrudge me that satisfaction, I have to wonder of you're
not missing the point of running altogether.

(That's a long-winded way of saying LIGHTEN UP!)

I'll see some of you on Monday.  (From the rear, of course.)

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.220424.4907@ac.dal.ca> jpeach@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu>, aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
>>If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer distances
>>say three times a week or should one run shorter distances more frequently
>>during the week?
>
>Distance is not important when you are running to loose weight.  What is
>important is the number of Kcal that you burn.  The intensity does not matter
>as long as you burn 300 to 500 kcal per work out.  You should do this five
>times a week (work up to this, do not start at 5 times a week) do not
>exercise when you feel pain and stop when you feel pain.

Intensity is indeed important -- you want to exercise at a rate somewhere
between 60 and 80 percent of your maximum intensity.

You probably also want to adopt at least one other type of aerobic exercise to
alternate with the running.

Read _The New Fit or Fat_.

>///MiStEr pEaCh\\\

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: ralpht@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: track measurement
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:03:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.

Hi,

How is a 1/4 mile track measured, from the inside lane or the outside lane? 
I am trying to time myself in a mile run and need to know what lane I 
should be running in for an exact mile.

Thanks,

Ralph Tiberio
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: strobel@ssgv01.enet.dec.com (Jeff Strobel)
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Reply-To: strobel@ssgv01.enet.dec.com (Jeff Strobel)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:54:48 GMT


Ron:
	I've run Boston both with a number and as a "back of the packer". I believe
the buses that run to Hopkinton from Boston require you to have a
number. Call the BAA
to be sure.
	Anyway, if you can get a ride out to the start give yourself plenty of
time.
I'd take the Pike to 495 south. You'll get bused (no number required)
from the exit,
which is well marked, to the start.
	The start of the race is on a 2 lane road, so with 13,000+ runners it's
crowded.
Depending on how near you are to the back, it could be 5 minutes to the
start line and
another 12 minutes for the first mile.
	There's plenty of water at official and non-official stops along the
way. The
official ones are every 2 miles. People also hand out small sponges and
orange slices
(watch out for the citric acid in an empty stomach, it's done me in
twice).
	The finish is fairly civil. You won't get a finisher's medal but you
can usually
get the food and drink and if you sould need medical help you'll get it.
I'm skipping the
run this year but am working the chutes at the finish line so best of
luck.


jeff
From: peters@mcnc.org (Charles Ross Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Adidas running shoes
Keywords: where can I get them
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:29:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

With all this talk about Adidas running shoes, I decided to take
a look at some.  What I found is that they are very hard to find
in my area.  No store seems to carry their complete line.  Does
anyone know of a good mail order source for Adidas running shoes?
I have had good luck with them in the past, but I would hate to get
hooked on them and not be able to get another pair if I wanted them.

Charles Peters
peters@mcnc.org
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:32:06 GMT

jpeach@ac.dal.ca writes:

>In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu>, aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
>> If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
>> distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
>> distances more frequently during the week?

>Distance is not important when you are running to loose weight.  What is 
>important is the number of Kcal that you burn.  The intensity does not matter
>as long as you burn 300 to 500 kcal per work out.  You should do this five
>times a week (work up to this, do not start at 5 times a week)  do not
>exercise when you feel pain and stop when you feel pain.   

Sorry to disagree with Mr. Peach, but what I hear is that intensity is NOT
as important as time/distance in running to lose weight.

On page 76 of *The Complete Book of Running* by Jim Fixx, for instance, he
states, "It is also curious that how fast you run has little effect on how
many calories you burn. A 150-pound person running at an eight-minute pace
uses 102 calories during a one-mile, while the same person running at a
twelve-minute pace uses 98 calories." 

The same page also contains a footnote, stating in part: "What counts con-
siderably more than your pace is your weight. A 220-pound person running a
mile at an eight-minute pace uses 150 calories, while a 120-pound person
running the same distance at the same pace uses only 82 calories. ..."

In answer to the original question, however, in starting out, you should
only run as often and as far as you feel is comfortable and safe for you,
and gradually increase the frequency and/or distance of your runs as you
become more fit. If there is any doubt about your condition, then by all
means check first with your physician.

All else being equal, my own opinion is that say 3 30-minute runs per week
might be more effective in "burning off" excess body fat, than say 6 15-minute
runs, since during the initial part of each run one's body is metabolizing
primarily stored muscle glycogen, and the relative ratio of fat metabolization
gradually increases with the duration of the run. See Noakes' *The Lore of
Running*, page 77, for details. But then the tradeoffs are seldom so clear-cut
as this hypothetical scenerio. The main thing is simply to make sure you do
exercise on a regular basis, and your body's responses will be your best guide.

Good luck,

Mark Sandrock
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 08:27:55 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: In Search of Mr. Running Shoes
Distribution: usa

hey now,
   I recommend that you (uh oh) buy a copy of Runner's World. It not only
has the mail order information you want, but this month is the special
spring shoe issue. All manufacturer phone numbers are included as well.

                             ramble on, rich
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ih50@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: In Search of Mr. Running Shoes
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.185154.26565@news.Hawaii.Edu>, teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
> There have been some queries about different brands/models of shoes on
> this net, so it brings me to these questions:
> 
> What DO you do when you can't find shoes you like in your neighborhood
> shoe store? (if they don't carry the model you want).

Find out if the shoe has been discontinued.  If it is out of production you
may never be able to find it and may have to switch.  To avoid the same
situation in the future, consider buying two pair of a shoe that works.
Then, depending on how often you run, rotate the two pair.  They each should
last longer than they would have otherwise.

> Mail order companies are fine, but how many of them are there besides
> Road Runner Sports?

Be careful with mail order unless you know EXACTLY what you need.

> Could somebody list or contribute to a list of mail order places in
> this newsgroup?

I know of a guy in Arlington, TX who has been selling shoes for several years.
He isn't a runner per se, but he knows the product.  E-mail me for a name and
number if interested.  The prices are definately not bargain basement, but the
knowledge and assistance should be impeccable.  This store also has access to 
Nike Next Day where as long as they order by 5:00 p.m. Dallas time, an in-stock
shoe will arrive at the store Fed Ex the next business day.  NOT CHEAP, but nice
to know someone is willing to make the effort. 

> Finally, what if the mail order places don't keep your model, either?
> Do some shoe companies let you order direct?

Nike is the only company with which we had success when I was working with this
stuff.  Even they didn't take too many orders (if any) direct, but they tried
to get you the number of a dealer who could help.  Service levels dropped off
from there for the other companies.

Remember, if the stores are out of a particular shoe most likely the
manufacturer has been out of stock for longer.
 
> Thanks!

No prob. . .  hope this helps.
> 
> 
> --
> A. Lani Teshima

Doug Jones A.K.A. Jazzman


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Dr. Fastfoot on Running
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:20:31 GMT

passier@bmerh472.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:

>Dear Dr. Fastfoot,
>
>	How do the people on the cover of Runner's World do it?
>How do they manage to run along with those ear-to-ear grins?  I've
>been running for over ten years and I still can't do it!  I've tried.
>I can do it for one or two miles, but then the ol' cheshire cat 
>starts to break down.
>
>			Out'a breath in Ottawa

Dear Out'a,

	They are under the influence of "runner's high".  An example
of runner's high is the Pikes Peak Marathon.  The lack of persperation
on their bodies is due to the -45 F wind chill factor.  The giddy
expression is due to a shortage of oxygen to the brain.  The absence of
background scenery is the result of aiming the camera straight up as
the runner falls over face first (above the altitude where clouds are
found).

	Tryouts for next month's cover photo will be held at the
Mt. Everest Intercollegiate Track Meet in Nepal.

Send your running questions to Dr. Fastfoot, running exspurt.


--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
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From: robinh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Knees (Osgood Schlatter Syndrome)
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:06:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr9.181324.5798@b15.b15.ingr.com>, saj@b15.b15.ingr.com (Steve Jernigan) writes:
> 
> 
> Has anyone had any experience or just some good solid factual knowledge
> about Osgood Schlatter Syndrome?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.....

Steve, I have Osgood Schlatter.  It began when I was about 11 years old
as a result of ballet dancing.  I am also aware that it can be caused 
by growth spurts. I had problems in many athletic areas during Jr. and High
school because of the sensitive tissue just under my left kneecap.  (Not to
mention the huge lump).  I was told time would heal the problem.
In high school I tried track two different years but had to give up after
I began having problems with my other knee.  So then I had Osgood in both my
knees.  Now I am 19 years old and I have been running regularly for about a
year.  When I started out at a couple miles every other day, I thought it would
be only a matter of time before I would have to quit.  But I never have had a
problem running.  In fact, I just ran a 5K this morning.  
	The only time I am aware of the condition anymore is in the winter when
I am chilled or when I drive for very long (I have to stretch out my leg).

	I know a little about the syndrome itself:  In my case it wasn't caused
by a growth spurt; it was the result of my ballet dancing.  It's easier to
understand with a chart but... (maybe someone can help me with the names of
muscles and tendons)...this is how I understand it.
	The painful lump is a buildup of calcium caused by a tendon rubbing on
the cartilage right below the knee.  When I danced, I worked my thigh muscles
hard, and they a re attached to the tendon that goes around the kneecap and
rubs on the cartilage.  I speculate that it affected me so much because I tend
to use my thigh muscles much more than my calves in all sports.  Only recently 
have I learned 
the correct form for running so that I use my calves more.

	I am the only person I know who has this so my experiences are the only
ones I'm familiar with.   
	Do you have Osgood?  
	Oh, I remember one more thing:  When I developed Osgood in my right
knee in high school, I talked to the doctor about continuing to run track.  He
gave me motrin and said that running (or anything else) would not hurt my knee. 
The pain I felt was not detrimental to my knee, in other words.  It just hurt
like hell.  I opted to quit track rather than use drugs every day to stop the
pain.  
	
I hope I've told you something you didn't already know!

Robin

> 

> Steve J.
From: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Apr9.131632.29184@uc.msc.edu> jayers@hamline.edu
    (Judi Ayers) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.224723.19575@schbbs.mot.com> tolar@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
  (Jim Tolar) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr7.181810@voskhod.mit.edu> ron@voskhod.mit.edu 
  (Rocket Ron Spangler) writes:

>>>   (various questions about running unofficially in the Boston Marathon,
>>>    from how to get to the start, to what is offered at the water stops)

>> (Jim responds, with flame mode and soapbox mode on, how Ron should not
>>  expect any courtesies and he's a bozo for running unofficially anyway)

> (Judi agrees with Jim and expresses concern over the unofficial runners
>  getting in the way of the official runners)


   I thought I'd try to clear the air here. 

   The Boston Athletic Association does not encourage unregistered runners.
However, they likewise do not try to remove them either.  They expect there
to be a number of unregistered runners.  In fact, about one-third of the
runners are unregistered.  The BAA plans for this.  They have enough foil
wraps at the finish, for example, for all runners.  The unregistered runners
are not given a medal for finishing, but they are not prevented from running
or taking water stops.  

   The start of the race is very controlled.  Unregistered runners must all
start behind the very slowest registered runner.  (Well, they're USUALLY 
pretty good about the starting order).  You line up in the order of your
qualifying time, so the faster runners are toward the front.  I've run the
Marathon two of the past three years, and each time, a spotter pulled a
registered runner out of the zone I started in, because his number was too
high (i.e. he had a slower qualifying time).

   And yes, the Marathon here is a very large tradition.  They even have 
information on it in the front couple of "community information" pages in the
Yellow Pages.  

   This is not intended to flame Jim or Judi...  I just wanted to explain 
about how the Marathon is run, and in my experience I've had no problems with
unregistered runners.

Happy trails,
Dave
From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Summary: Second that
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:48:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr8.224723.19575@schbbs.mot.com> tolar@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar) writes:
>Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but why should you expect anyone to
>provide anything for you at the water stops?  You aren't entered in the race,
>....Rather than running in the back door, why not actually
>enter one in your area?

Amen.
From: bobo@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Bob O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Blister problems
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:23:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvra.31790013
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

I also have difficulties with blisters under the little toe for races longer
than 10 miles.  I have switched to the so-called "blister-free" socks, which
can feel a little strange coming from standard cotton-poly mix as I was.
Even with the new socks I still can get a blister, but it takes more miles
and so far the blister's gotten with these socks have not broken during the
run.  While not ideal, it is much less painful.       

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Exercise and longevity - Was: damage to growth plates from children .. 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.144033.15824@unocal.com>, stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ott writes...

>Nor has running increased longevity as fanatics claimed in the 1970's.

	"Studies" have shown links between exercise and reduced rates
 of various diseases. 

Mike McCurdy				
University Computing Services
San Diego State University
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu			What? :| :0 :| :0
From: robinh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Knees (Osgood Schlatter Syndrome)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> 
> The sensitive muscle under the kneecap is familiar, but I do not have a lump
> of any kind.
> 
I have talked with people that have it or who have brothers/sisters that have
Osgood.  Many of them have mentioned the lump in the knee; however, I only have
a lump in the left knee.  My right knee hurts in a different place.  When I
asked the doctor about this, he affirmed that they were both Osgood.  So maybe
there are different kinds.  That would be interesting to read up on.  Perhaps
the problem in my right knee is similar to yours, considering I don't have a
lump under that kneecap!

Anyone else have info. on this??

Robin H.
> 
> Steve J.
From: roth@bach.udel.edu (Charles M Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Question
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu> aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
>If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
>distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
>distances more frequently during the week?

According to Tim Noakes's book _Lore of Running_, it is better to run longer
three days per week.  The reasoning begind this is that it takes about half
an hour for your body to reach maximal usage of fatty acids as fuel (up to
half an hour is primarily glycogen as I recall - I don't have the book with 
me.  After half an hour is when you will begin to derive greatest benefit 
from your exercise from a weight loss point of view.  One thing to
remember if you are just starting, though, is that you are likely to gain
muscle mass from running so the gains you make will initially be not so
noticeable on the scale, although they should be in the mirror ;).  Hope
this is wehat you were asking for.

Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn)
Subject: the easter bunny is dead and the drs is broke
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:49:24 GMT
X-Bytes: 627

Hi dead runners reading rec.running...

I think they are having hardware problems at UT, so the
DRS list is broke for a while. I'm waiting for a call
back from our listserv manager to find out what happened,
hopefully we will be back online soon.
 
Saw the easter bunny out on Dead Animal Road today, he wasn't
looking too good...

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Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Hail to thee AVIA!!
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 16:44:47 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

hey now,
   Many thanks to the Oregonian runner who recommended the AVIA 2050s to me.
I was suffering from iliotibial band syndrome and could not seem to shake the
injury. I tried a few different pairs of shoes but the pain always started to
reappear. Finally, I purchased a pair of 2050s and have been pain-free for
the last week. It feels so good to run without pain. I'm out of shape but
happy to be back on the road. Thanks again!!!!!!!
                      Ramble on,  Rich
Newsgroups: rec.running