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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: high school kids
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:40:10 GMT

In article <1iapj8INN9p6@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>>
>
>The thing that make Marines tough is not exotic skills, but planned,
>progressive conditioning.  To answer your questions, the time spent on
>physical training varies according to the billet.  Boot camp is intense,
>but basic, conditioning-- sometimes up to 8 hours a day.  OCS is a
>lot more physically challenging.  By the time I got a guy at Infantry
>Training School, he was ready to charge.  Minimum of four hours of
>hard conditioning a day.  Followed up by about 1 hour hand-to-hand.  

	[chomp]

>I think I've flamed too long.

Why, hell, boy -- you're among friends.  Let it all hang out! :-)

>                               I still maintain that I can teach anyone
>who is willing to do their part basic self defense in six months.

Hmmm...if "do their part" means four to eight hours of conditioning a
day, I'd suspect a lot of people could be ready to fight prelims in
Pro Karate ranks in that space of time, let alone go full-contact with
the average mugger.

Is the sort of thing you're talking about valid without that sort of
time commitment to conditioning?

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...Ch'en worked in a drugstore on the
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |second story...and at noon each day he
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |would leave for lunch in an eccentric
55428                |                |way: he would stroll out the window..."
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Qi-gong
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:16:29 GMT
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


ps.
eng10193@nusunix1.nus.sg (YEE BOON CHEOW) writes:
>   I believe in this art greatly and hope to accomplish something with
> it. But it is very difficult for me to gauge my improvements or even
> [snip]
> achievements in this art and how can i be sure i won't do it the wrong
> way and suffer the consequences of Zou Huo Ru Mo.

    Exactly what do you want to accomplish with qi-gong training? As I
understand it, the people who most desire weird esoteric powers tend
to be the ones who end up ruining themselves.

	Stephen Y. Chan
	stevec+@cmu.edu
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From: davidc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Corr)
Subject: Re: NINJUTSU
Organization: University of Sussex
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:42:08 GMT

Yep me.... for about 3 years now!! what do you wanna talk about!

Dave.
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:24:38 GMT

psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>I got busy and unfortunately managed to miss most of the carjacking thread.
>Nonetheless, I couldn't help but wonder why someone didn't recommend carrying
>a large gun and blowing big holes in the first (second, and/or third) persons
>to attempt to wrest control of the automobile.  This solution is optimal to
>me.  

Before you try this one at home, check out the legal situation in
your area.  You can transport firearms in most areas without a
concealed weapons carry permit, but only under conditions that
make them pretty useless against carjackers.  The States have no
uniform laws governing the transportation of personally-owned
firearms, but the general rule is that you can do it only if the
gun is unloaded, secured in a gun case or other container
separate from the ammunition, and locked in the vehicle's trunk
(or otherwise made not immediately accessible to driver or
passengers).  I.e., at best, while you are running around back
to get your unloaded pistol out of the trunk, the carjacker is
driving your Lexus off into the sunset (hopefully without first 
backing over you).

My optimal solution:  drive the oldest, ugliest car on the road.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
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Subject: PUBLIC ACCESS TELEVISION & MARTIAL ARTS
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:34:46 GMT
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Has anyone out there done any work with the public access television
networks?  It sounds like a wonderful opportunity to promote a club
or school.


For those unfamiliar, the cable companies [are required by law ?] to
provide TV programming submitted by the public.  Anyone who can
convince their cable company that they can provide a reasonable
quality show can have a time slot.  

Any comments?

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From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: pinyin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:49:24 GMT
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As a European I am quite happy with pinyin. I know how to read Latin, Greek
and the Cyrillic letters. I find it interesting to see Taiji in English, 
French, German and Pinyin transcription, but I start to find it less
helpfull to read some foreign language book and wonder if ching, jing, xing
jin etc. is ever meant to be the same thing.
I guess pinyin was a necessity for China, too, for identity AND practical
reasons.

Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria, Europe (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
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Subject: Videos on Aikido  
From: cf@fokus.gmd.de (C. Fuhrhop)
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:48:27 +1700

Organization: GMD-Fokus
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:34:13 GMT

Thanks a lot in advance,
Wolfgang Wuerz

Please send your replies to wuerz-w@vax.hmi.dbp.de, because I'm
posting that from a friend, who's not subscribing martial-arts
(and so wouldn't notice any REPLIES on my letter).
 
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:11:44 -0500 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Thanks Michael R.


	just a little rambling epilogue...

	All this flaming is just so much verbiage unless you can somehow learn
something from it and change the way you think and act. A discussion is
"just talk" if you treat it as a chance to assert yourself and your
views while ignoring what the other person says. If you treat it as a
form of competition, then it's all just a game and has no relevance
whatsoever to "real life". (this is often the case in philosophical
circles, I understand)
	But if you present your views, and try to objectively evaluate the
other person's views, then it can be a useful form of practice.

	To me, clear, objective thinking is an important aspect of personal
cultivation. How can I "judge for myself" and accurately discriminate
between correct and incorrect teachings if I don't try to make my
thinking direct and clear?
	Thinking is something that we do a LOT of - learning how to think well
is just as important as how to move well. The study of reason has it's
own merit. The _practice_ of philosophy lies in learning how to reason
correctly and objectively.

	Getting along in life requires more than just the pursuit of
enlightenment (besides, isn't the desire for enlightenment considered a
disease of the mind?). I have to eat, pay the rent, decide how to treat
my fellow man, etc...
	And for those, I need a clear, accurate mind. 

	end of spiel.

	Stephen Chan
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Just Curious...
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 20:41:08 GMT
Keywords: Traditional Martial Arts, Evolution

In article <1993Jan2.024200.10224@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
> 
>This has always amused, bemused, and confused me. The "my art is n years old"
>thing (where n has to be expressed in scientific notation) "and we teach it
>_exactly_ as the Master taught it, no changes at all", that is. People say
>this with great pride, as if it makes their art and their practice better
>than something with a shorter pedigree. I would find this attitude sad if it
>were not funny or maybe funny if it were not sad, and here is why:

	I'll provide the abridged response.

from a purely functional view:
	Traditionalists argue that their systems have been around a long time
precisely because they worked/work/will_work.
	Another point to consider is that while circumstances change,
principles of movement and strategy will remain in effect. The human body
hasn't changed that much in the past few centuries, so I doubt that correct,
efficient movement will become obsolete. I am also unaware of any profound
discoveries in the art of strategy during the last few centuries.

from a historical point of view:
	Some people have pride in the history of their style. In this time and
place, when people's sense of history is determined by the oldest reruns on TV,
I think a little historical awareness is a Good Thing. They say travel broadens
the mind - I think that a sense of history does too.
	And, there's an outside chance that in our hyper-competitive, heavily
marketted, new and improved culture, some aspects of the Life Worth Living can
be found in the older, traditional systems.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: mgf@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael G Fotiades)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re:Looking for Tai Chi Class/Teacher in Boston Area
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:34:05
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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Try:
	Gin Soon Tai Chi Club
	324 Tremont Street
	Boston, MA 02116
	(617) 542-4442

Here's a quote from his brochure:

    Master Gin-Soon Chu started learning T'ai-chi under Master Lai
    Hok-Soon in Hong Kong in 1956.  Upon the passing of Master Lai in
    1964, he inherited the school.  Howerver, in his desire for more
    advanced training, Master Chu turned the school over to his classmates
    and became a student of the famous Grand Master Yang Shou-Chung, the
    world leader of the Yang school.  Grand Master Yang had taught
    thousands who have in turn promulgated the art thoughout the world.
    Master Chu was accepted in 1977 and made responsible by Grand Master
    Yang for the sustenance and proagation of the Yang family tradition
    thoughout North America.  Master Chu, who has had vast teaching
    experience in T'a-chi ch'uan, supervises his classes personally with
    assistance of his senior students.  One and all are welcome to visit
    our studio during class hours and to observe or participate in the
    marvelous art!

Yang Shou-Chung is the son of Yang Cheng-Fu, who is the son of Yang
Kin-Hou, who is the son of Yang Lou-Sim, the founder of the Yang style.

I don't actually take lessons from Sifu Gin-Soon, but rather from his
senior student, John Conroy, who owns the Rhode Island School of Tai
Chi.  (I live in northeast Connecticut and work in Worcester -
Providence/Warwick makes for less travel).  These guys are serious
artists.  If you're just looking for something to get you out of the
house on Saturday afternoon I'd look elsewhere.  If you're looking for
a lifetime of serious study, this is the place to go.
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: pinyin
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:34:35 GMT
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In article <1it5inINNbku@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 6x1@CAM.ORG, renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault) writes:
>>an "x" is a mediolingual mute fricative consonant.
>>a "j" is a postligual mute non-aspired occlusive and non aspired fricative.
>>Easy, no?
>
>What language is the above - (sorry, any suggestions come out
>derogative).

It's philology-speak. If you take the time to learn it, then it
transforms magically from completely incomprehensible to not
very helpful in learning to speak a language.

But it's fun for those of us who like that sort of thing.
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:18:28 GMT
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In article 4459@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.131042.28152@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>>[kotegaeshi] isn't a hold or a throw, I think; it should be a break, properly
>>performed.  
>	
>	Well, I've been taught that you only need to tighten the wrist
>enough to connect to the arm and that there shouldn't be much pressure
>on the wrist at all never mind enough to break it...   

Hmmm.... Many of these things are taught differently by instructors, 
even in the same school. With kids, emphasis is always on safety so
breaking techniques are discouraged. Then, there is the attitudinal
preference of the instructor. Some prefer the more "artsy" style while
others prefer the practical.

All I am saying is that grasping the wrist and turning it back and away from
the shoulder allowed one to control the hand and arm. Holds could not last
long, so further control would mean taking the person to the ground or 
breaking the wrist. Pain is always a mechanism for control. If a knife or
sword was in the hand, this could be removed and the opponent killed - 
thus hold and control. :-)

They are all OK. Just variations on one great theme. 

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply


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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE: Having to be hit three times
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:05:23 GMT


>ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 4th Year iE/CES) WRITES:
>
> hmm, I was staying with a friend over the holidays, and her sister is in the
> British Army- I was told that someone had to be struck 3 times before
> retaliation could be construed as self-defence.
>

 I had heard the same thing about eleven years ago.  It was used by a judge
in an Illinois trial for a policeman using excessive force against an 
assailant.  The assailant was using a baseball bat, the officer using his 
fists, the officer was a black belt in an unknown martial art.  The judge 
said that the officer should not have hit the suspect after the suspect 
swung the bat the first time.  The  officer should have waited "until the
third time."    

Only heresay, from eleven years ago.

B. Webb, dallas, tx.
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kendo Newbie Question
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:20:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <hurd.725661494@sfu.ca> hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
>Hi, I'm planning on taking up Kendo after an intercontinental move this
>month, and have some questions.
>
>Like,
>
>  What will I be expected to bring to the dojo?  Will a gi suffice or is
>armour required?  If armour is required is it wisest to buy it in Sweden,
>or might it be cheaper to buy it in Vancouver and mail it across?  Same Q
>for other obvious equipment (such as the bamboo sword whose propper name
>keeps falling out of my head).
>
>Thanks,
>-- 
>Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca| Q: Why did the Jungle Fowl cross the road?          |
>Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
>Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  | Q: Huh?                                             |
>Burnaby B.C., Canada  | A: I guess it just needed to get to the other side. |

   It is too bad you had to wait until after your move to take up
   kendo.  There are three excellent dojo in or next to Burnaby.  
   The other posts I have read all seems real good and I wish you 
   luck.  

   If I was moving to a new country and wanted to be sure I had kendo
   equipment I would buy it before.  This assumes that you are sure you
   will stick with it.  Even if your new instructor has you wait several
   months before you wear the bogu (armour) at least you will have it,
   it won't smell like it has been fermenting in the dojo for years :-)
   and the outlay of cash should help to keep you inspired.

   If you have your own source of equipment great, if not the most reasonable
   prices are in Seattle, Washington.  The equipment is from Koei Boguya and
   I have yet to find anyplace (even in Japan) with better prices.  Contact
   Mr. Curtis Marsten at (206)878-1880, 20825 6th Ave So; Desmoines, 
   Washington, 98198.
-- 
Robert Stroud       Robert_Stroud@simulacrum.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club   Portland Oregon USA
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From: geddis@CS.Stanford.EDU (Don Geddis)
Subject: Re: PUBLIC ACCESS TELEVISION & MARTIAL ARTS
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:05:21 GMT

In article <1ic2pmINN4r3@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
> Has anyone out there done any work with the public access television
> networks?  It sounds like a wonderful opportunity to promote a club
> or school.

I'm in the middle of (slowly) making a program for Palo Alto's public access
station.  As you say, they'll pretty much put anything on the air.

My main motivation was faulty memory: I thought it would be great to have
a video record of the thousands of techniques I'm supposed to know, so that
years from now I can look at the tape and say "oh yes, so _that's_ how it's
supposed to work."

On the other hand, I'm not sure how much the average viewer will get out of
a show that goes over everything through shodan in an hour...

	-- Don
-- 
Don Geddis (Geddis@CS.Stanford.Edu)
A thrifty housewife always peels potatoes twice.
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Journey...
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:34:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.091546.3474@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>10-Jan-93 13:29	osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) spake:
>
>>Basically, read anything up to about the 5th century CE and you will 	find
>>that the flavors of early Christianity have a remarkably strong
>>similarity that of the far east.
>
>But this is dead in the west.  I agree however.

	In a way yes and in a way no.  This mystical tradition went a LONG
	way toward shaping our culture, however, I will heartily agree that
	much of this went by the wayside, though it is by no means dead.
	As I ranted earlier, these traditions imparted far too much power
	to the individual, therefore the church needed to eliminate them
	so that power could be consolidated.  This is IMO, a MAJOR reason
	for the advent of the "holy inquisition".  It was around this time
	when all the Satanic paranoia began; paranoia which has survived
	to this very day.  Folks were beaten down and made (at least super-
	ficially) to be SO dependent of the church that they dare not twitch
	their anus without consulting a priest beforehand.  It was a very
	effective power grab... Evil(tm) as all hell, but effective.

>>And for that matter you can read about other Western traditions such as
>>the Bogomils, Cathars,Cabalistic Judaism, Sufism ("Whirling Dervishes").
>
>I don't know what a Bogomil or Cathar is, however Cabalistic Judaism is (as I
>have been told) deeply mystical, and not at all representative of anything I
>would describe as western.

	If it not "western", then what would it be?  At any rate, the Bogomils
	were Cathars from the region of Europe now called Bulgaria.  Memory
	probably fails be, but I believe it was in 1144 when the Catholic
	Church made its big play to wipe out its biggest rival, the Cathars.
	It happened in France, location I forget.  The armed forces under
	direct control of the church killed all the Cathars in this area of
	France.  If you have ever seen those T-shirts that say "Kill `em all,
	let God sort em out"... this came from that battle where the general
	in charge asked the Bishop or Cardinal in control "who shall we put to 
	the sword?" and was answered with "Kill them all, God will recognize
	his own".  And thus they were all butchered.  The Cathars were quite
	a mystical sect (non-Christian, as far as I know).  They built 
	hospitals and schools for the poor.  From every account I have read 
	about them, they were a very fine bunch, unlike the lousy catholic 
	church, who were quite power mad by that time (my apologies to all
	catholics out there).  The cathars were actually much more influential
	than the RC church throughout the first millenium, but it seems they
	were truly benevolent and as such apparently did not have the drive
	to fight the way Rome did.  That's life, I guess.
>
	Everybody was Kung Fu fighting... yeah... that's how this all relates
	to r.m-a... yeah, *that's* the ticket... kung fu... yeah...

	-Andy "tangential" V.
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Escalation
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:13:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfGurQW00WB7QAKplp
	<1993Jan6.165107.6240@aber.ac.uk>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
> I'm not convinced this is a good idea. You can expect your opponent to escalate
> to at least the level of armament that you display.

    It seems to me that if you expose/brandish a weapon before using it, then
you are using it as a threat/deterrent - so the goal of
parading your weapon is to escalate the encounter to a level which
your opponent cannot stomach.
    If you fully expect your opponent to escalate the lethality above
what you threaten, then keep your weapon hidden but immediately
accessible. They [hopefully] won't escalate, and you will retain the
element of surprise.

    So, my opinion is that you should only escalate if you have a
reasonable expectation that they'll back down. And bear in mind that
the further you escalate, the harder it is to back down, and the
harder it is to suddenly and quickly overwhelm your opponent [they'll
be in a higher state of readiness]

    Of course, your threat has to be credible, and your opponent must
perceive that backing down is a viable alternative. If you escalate,
and your opponent feels that they have no alternative, then your
escalation will only provoke the opponent to attack first. If your
opponent is irrational, or fanatical, then threats are a waste of time.

	Stephen Y. Chan
	stevec+@cmu.edu
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From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Subject: Re: Qi-gong
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:36:03 GMT

> YEE BOON CHEOW writes:
>
>  Is there a way for people who practice Qi-gong to confirm his
> achievements in this art and how can i be sure i won't do it the wrong
> way and suffer the consequences of Zou Huo Ru Mo.

Consider finding a teacher.  I am a student of Tai Chi and we learn a little
Chi Kung there.  I would like to know more but I consider it unwise (or
possibly just unfruitful) to try it alone.  I am looking for a teacher.

Frank.
--
___________________________________________________________________
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MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
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