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From: SHICOFF@unc.oit.unc.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Missing at the War....
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I hate to have to ask, but has anyone seen my 2-piece wooden
chair, with the folling heraldry painted on it?
Vert & sable, a horse's head couped, or, embattled bordure
It was last seen on the edge of the battle field Sun. PM
A squire from another household had promised to bring it
back for me when he went to get some things.  He
forgot it, & when I went to get it, Mon. AM (having
already chastised him) it was gone.  I had thought it extremely
unlikely than anyone else would take it (it is, after all,
MY device), but I assume that someone thought that it
belonged to a friend/household member & collected it for them.
Please, I would like it back, it was made for me by a
friend who leaves for Drackenwald Tues., & moreover,
is useful.  Yes, I did look in lost & found, & left a lost
report with them.
Thanks for any help,
Julitta
M.S.O.B.
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:21:40 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>I'd agree that uniform allotment is truly fair -- particularly if it's 
>backed up with $$ to reserve that space. But within a group encampment, it's 
>that group's business how they allot the space.

Absolutely.  If a bunch of small groups want to band together into one
large group and handle their own administration, that ought to be just 
fine with the autocrat, too.

>I myself am ambivalent about this for a couple of reasons: First, I hate 
>the idea that eventually we'll be regimented into standard issue tents and
>rows of camping spaces -- part of the ambiance for me is the nature of
>the city we create.

I'd hate to see us relegated to our little 200-square-foot chunks all in
a row, too.  But with Pennsic at its current size and growing, it's time
to adopt creative solutions to the land problem.  If you need space for a 
firepit, maybe you can find some people who won't take up much space to
share "official" land with.  If you later put a rope between your camp and
theirs, that's entirely your own business.  This won't always work, of
course, but we should at least give it a try.  (Heck, maybe at some point
someone will administer a database and let people give away land *without*
beig adjacent.  Sounds like a mess, but someone may undertake it at some
point.  Who knows?)

>Secondly, as I mentioned in the posting I sent yesterday, people's camping
>styles and desires differ. It's *not* fair to tell the folks who bought a 
>big pavilion a couple of years ago, at major expense, that now they have to 
>go back to the little coleman dome tent to come to Pennsic, particularly
>if Pennsic is the only real SCA/Camping vacation they have all year. 

True.  But on the other hand, it's not fair to the rest of us for them to
get three times the land the rest of us have.  Surely they can find some
people with little dome tents to share a camp with.  If there's no one 
willing to give them land, well, that says something, and maybe they should
reconsider their accomodations.

>>Of course there is plenty of argument possible on whether 235 square feet
>>is adequate.  I will not put forth an opinion on that question.  The real

>Oh, I'll be brave and venture an opinion. The size is not adequate for a
>camper who wants to have cooking facilities in some sort of period style, nor is 
>it adequate for families or households who are camping together with much
>intent to have "style". 

But where will the extra space come from to give these people these 
resources?  I'd like to see it work; campfires and ambience are good 
things.  Short of getting together with people of low needs, though, I
don't know how.

Ellisif
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:22:33 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Discussing the possibility of paid pre-registration
as a solution to some of the land-allocation problems, Otto wrote:

> If I pre-register a camp of 50 and only 40 show up, do I lose the extra
> space?  Under pre-registration I have already "Paid" for it, so I should
> get it. This  would give my camp an extra 2500 sq ft of common area.
> 
> If the persons in this camp were SOBs, they could purposefully
> preregister 10 people for the camp, saying on friday of the war, that
> they could not make it. (Assuming a fee of $40 each for the weekend, it
> would cost each person in this camp $10 each for the extra common area.)
> This arangement _would_ happen, if allowed. The persons with money will
> then get the advantage. 

These problems already exist; the hope is that paid pre-registration will
make them less common.  Consider that there were over a thousand people
registered for this year's event who never appeared on site.  Some of them
undoubtedly were last minute cancellations, but I'd bet those are balanced
by last-minute attendees.  I think it is fairly clear that if people had to
pay $45 for a ghost camper, there would be a lot fewer of them.  At least
the War would be getting paid to deal with the extra hassle caused by
space-hogs.  It would be nice if we could count on courtesy to prevent
lying and taking advantage of fellow SCAdians; apparently we cannot.

Paid pre-registration has many other benefits.  Having a good head-count
before the event will save a great deal of money, time, planning, and
trouble.  It carries some disadvantages, but it is really such an
imposition to ask people to decide in advance whether or not they'll attend
this one event?  I think it is certain to come within a few years.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:49:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug26.163901.26522@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl) writes:
>
>Can any one suggest where I can find patterns and/or info on creating
>Elizabethan clothes?  This would b for both men and women.  My local
>library doesn't have the right sort of stuff -- mostly play-type fashions.
>I'm new at this sort of thing, so please forgive any missteps in
>protocol.

	I just got a book at Pennsic called Elizabethan Costuming for the 
years 1550-1580 by Janet Winter and Carolyn Savoy. I was flipping through it 
to see if I should recommend it and I do with the disclaimer that it uses 
modern pattern shapes and tailoring techniques. If this doesn't bother you, 
or your sewing skills need practice before you go diving into the flaky stuff,
you might want to start here. If you are into killer authenticity though,
give it a miss. I got mine from Medieval Miscellenia, but they are unreliable
for mail order. If you can buy from their shop or booth, fine, otherwise you
might want to look elsewhere.
	The source for authentic Elizabethan clothing is anything by Janet
Arnold. She doesn't give sewing directions though, so you have to be a
pretty good seamstress or get help.
						-Ilaine



-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   | 
From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 13:22:00 -0500

> Why is this silly discussion of a (supposed) Middle Ages  *TV*  show
> being conducted in a newsgroup devoted to *written* science fiction??
 
Why has some silly sod gotten the notion that this newsgroup is devoted to
science fiction?  :)
 
> What has one got to do with the other?
 
Nothing -- good thing this isn't a sci-fi newsgroup!
From: haslock@rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Use of Houndstooth in garb
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:54:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

My Lady Genevieve,

Fragments of early British and Irish cloth are virtually nonexistant and
none that I know of display the houndstooth pattern.

One the other hand, much earlier fabric was dug up in the Danish bogs which
shows a check woven in twill. Thus we know that it was possible for them to
have woven houndstooth ( houndstooth being a fine check woven in twill ).

One the other hand, we have literary references to 'speckled' cloth in this
period of Irish history. I, personally, would assume this to refer to
houndstooth.

In practice, I would have no qualms about making garb from such cloth even
though the documentation is rather flimsy.

To be fair, speckled hay also have refered to the broken diamond twill pattern
or to a printed fabric. We know the terms used to describe embroidery and
'speckled' does not match any of them.

	Fiacha
	Aquaterra, AnTir
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From: Marianne Kinnula <lady@rieska.oulu.fi>
Subject: Italian name documentation and translation - help needed
Organization: University of Oulu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:48:39 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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From: kessner@spot.Colorado.EDU (KESSNER ERIC M)
Subject: Re: almost live steel.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:36:54 GMT

RE: Live Steel at Demos

Point the first:  It is generally safest to consider that whenever we gather
and call ourselves the SCA, we are representing the corporation.  If we avoid
refering to events as unofficial we may aviod possible ensuing legal problems.

Point the second: Live steel is NOT part of SCA heavy weapons fighing.  A
true representation of what we persue is usually best in a demo format.  For
something that most non-SCA (almost typed Mundanes) would understand there is
(in most Kingdoms) light weapons/rapier fighting that demos very well.  

Leave the theatrical/staged fighting (with live steel anyway) to the theater
experts.  You may also consider tapping some of your Kingdom demo experts on
format/content for demos as well as making use of the considerable expertise
that has been put down to paper in the Known Worlde handbook, Fighters 
Handbook (when it hits the stands), Pleasure Book, (available from the stock
clerk)...
 
Domenico                              David Wood 002879116@mcimail.com
A
From: andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Subject: Info. wanted: events in West or An Tir in late October
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:21:45 GMT

My apologies to those for whom this is irrelevant.  I will be travelling
to the West and An Tir for a week or so about the third week in October.
I need to find out what events are occurring there at that time.  I'll
be in Long Beach and Vancouver.  Please reply by email.

Your grateful servant,
Miklos/Andrew

andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:11:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Jason of Rosaria (Jay Brandt) writes:

>Contact the Living History Center in San Francisco, CA. They put out
>several rather good publications on Elizabethian costuming for the folk who
>work at and attend the Renaissance Faires that they produce. The costumes
>they have are DESIGNED to be worn as clothing, for whole weekends at a
>time, rather than as stage costuming that only has to be worn for a few
>hours.

I believe the publication you are referring to is Janet Winters
and Carolyn Savoy's "Elizabethan Costuming."  This is a good
book for construction techniques, but it is pretty awful on
historical details.  It is adequate for Renn Faire Elizabethan, 
but if this is the only costume book you use, a lot of the details
will be wrong, not only because the authors make mistakes but also
because they simplify certain construction details.  Keeping these
limitations in mind, I still recommend it.

-- Nicholas van Leyden


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From: kevin@isi.COM (Keradwc an Cai)
Subject: Re: various and sundry ('pump fake')
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:40:47 GMT

Aryk, quoting Twcs [welcwm back!] asked:

| Twcs (helm@garnet.ucdavis.EDU) writeth:
|
|  h> How about "pump fakes", known to east bay fighters as a Houghton fake #1?
|
| For those of us not from the East Bay, 'splain please?

Standard feint. Start a regular shot, almost any kind. Before the
weapon actually starts to move much, stop, and start it over. It's
a timing trick; people who block the one they expect have their shields
back down when the real one arrives.

Called pump-fake, I suppose, because the hand/arm is 'pumped' as if it
were a normal shot, but with nothing attached to it.

Keradwc
  kconnery@isi.com
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Caer Galen/Boulder/CU info wanted
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:06:13 GMT

To start an apology if anyone outside of Colorado gets this.  As I recall from
last year, the Distribution system on CU's net doesn't work very well.

Anyhow, I went to a few weapons practices last spring and would like to 
actually see about joing the SCA this year.  The problem is I do not remember
where or when the fall Fencing and Weapons practices are.  So if someone could 
supply me with this information, I would be eternaly greatful.

Many thanx,

---SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in  New Jersey can get | kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for  |     (Internet/Usenet)
$19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going to | No matter where you go, there
make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller   |     you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Subject: TV and SCAers
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:05:42 GMT


Midair the Juggler writes:

>Everytime, and I mean *everytime* I see a show with my SCA friends that
>has to do with the middle ages, they can never sit back and watch it, they
>have to nit pick every little detail and tear it to shreads.

Ah, yes, I know the feeling.  Here's my own little pet gripe: the
first time I watched "The Princess Bride" I did so with a bunch of
SCAers, and I didn't hear but one third of the dialog, the remaining
two thirds being lip-synched by those I was with....

Tio d'abaco
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.arts.sf.misc,alt.fandom.misc
Subject: Hurrican Relief
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:05:34 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

The SCA Kingdoms of Trimaris (in Florida) and Meridies (in the New Orleans
area) were both hit hard by Hurrican Andrew. The two kingdoms have organized
their people to help out the Red Cross and other relief organizations with
helping those in need in the area (the memberships of the Kindgoms are, from
reports generally in pretty good shape; these efforts are aimed at the
population at large by the SCA members). 

People who are interested in helping out with relief efforts can contact the
following people:

Master Erik of Telemark, AKA Ed Kreyling, 3182 Lockwood Meadows Blvd.,
Sarasota, FL 34234 (813) 951-2818 (during rational hours, please)

or

Aedward of Glastonburh, AKA Gilbert Head, 170 Merlin Dr. Athens, GA 30606
(706) 549-6287 (again, rational hours). 

Donation checks can be sent to Master Erik and amde out to the
Timarian/Meridien Relief Fund. Hard goods are still in great demand
(especially baby food and other baby materials), but contact first before
shipping.


-- 
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       Each from his accustomed place steps into the world once more.
From: snolan@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Looking for Rhiannon and Gundolph
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:11:54 GMT
Reply-To: snolan@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

I am trying to contact Baroness Rhiannon ap Siorl
and Gundolphus Havocus (Sharon and Ed Garland).  They
were last in the San Antonio Texas area (that I know
of)... If you have contact with them, could you please
give them word that I am trying to contact them and
give them my address?

Duncan Tiercel MacLeod
mka: Scott Nolan
3603 Oliver Street
Hyattsville, MD 20782
(301) 559-5659
snolan@marge.hq.af.mil
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re:  Repairing the damage from Hurricane Andrew
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:02:04 GMT

Consider this a kudo for the IRS . . .

There now exists the:

		Trimarian-Meridian Releif Fund

		Tax # 6500352555

You may want to make a note of the tax number for making
tax-deductible donations.

Contact those running the fund through:

Erik of Telemark
(Ed Kreyling)
3182 Lockwood Meadows Blvd.
Sarasota, FL 34234
813/951-2818

Aedward of Glastonburh
(Gilbert Head)
170 Merlin Dr.
Athens, GA 30606
706/549-6287

to update the previous report, all but 4 folks from Trimaris have now
checked in.  There is no word yet from southern Meridies--but none is
expected yet, as they're still in some pretty nasty weather.


To save time (again) . . .

Feel free to copy this message to other networks or e-mail lists where
it will reach SCA folks without feeling you have to ask me for permission.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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Okay, so you autocrat next year's pennsic.  By autocrat's decree,
you can then:

* Have anyone who does something stupid with fire on site ejected
from the war for the year;

* Conveniently "lose" the entry forms of people you dislike;

* Abolish the Land Grab;

* Charge an increased entry fee for non- period pavilions
(and a decreased fee for period pavilions and campsites)

* Generally speaking, run the whole damn war any way you please.
(What?  what's that you say?  <gasp> You mean that out East,
the Autocrat's word is not law even as the King's word?
Awwww...  oh well.  It was fun while it lasted.)

(Oh yeah.  I forgot *#6:  Have hordes of screaming mongols
ride their horses through camp daily, looting, pillaging,
and removing any nubile females that don't bite back.  Oh
yeah, and require every camp to have at least three belly
dancers performing at all times.  :->

In an increasingly sarcastic and outlandish mood,

-G.
Dale E. Walter     |Dur of Hidden Mountain
dew@ecl.psu.edu    |Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)

"I'm the Baron!  Ya gotta loath me!"
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Fair
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:16:34 GMT

In article <1302@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
 writes:
>Charles the clerk writes:
>> The concept of a Pennsic Fair will answer the question, "What happens
>> when AEthelmearc becomes a kingdom?"
>>
>> Other opinions are welcomed.
>
>No, no, no.  It's AEthelmearc _VS_ either the East or the Middle, depending
>on which of them has shown us that they are worthiest to fight (ie, which
>side has paid us more tribute) ;-) ;-) ;-)

How about AEthelmearc _VS_ the East _&_ the Middle. Both kingdoms have been
fighting in Aethalmearc for most of the las 21 years. The other kingdom
(non-East & Middle) could fight (as allys) for EAthelmearc.
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freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:23:23 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Charles writes:
> 
> With a gate at the right place, a fee of, say, $5 could be charged to
> every vehicle entering the camping area.  (This year, a car had to go
> through one end of the camping area to get off of the parking hill, but
> a different arrangement would allow cars to run to town and back for
> free, as long as they did not enter the camping area.)

What of cases when someone goes food-shopping for the entire camp (as my 
camp did a couple of times)?  Under your proposal, one would either have
to pay $5 every time one did this, or bring enough people to schlep all
of the bags back to camp (which is about a 20-minute-plus hike for some
of the remoter encampments; not ideal for items which you want to get
into an ice chest as soon as possible).

Now, mind you, I wasn't too thrilled with seeing the wains parked
everywhere I looked, either.  One vehicle near my encampment didn't
seem to move from the time I got there until the time I left.  I don't
remember this problem from previous Pennsics...

And, of course, then there were the thoughtful individuals who drove
at such a pace that huge choking clouds of dust were raised in their
wakes...  *grumble*

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| Net:  Jeff Lee / jlee@smylex.uucp / jlee%smylex.uucp@tscs.tscs.com     |
| SCA:  Lord Godfrey de Shipbrook / Wyvernwood, Trimaris                 |
|       Per pale azure and argent, a clarion counterchanged or and gules |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
      "Of course!  Lager!  The only thing that can kill a vindaloo!"
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Flexi Daggers
Keywords: sca
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:05:00 GMT

Bill Wilson wrote:
  Would the person interested in flexi dagger blades please email me.
  I now have a supply.  I lost the address in a small crash...

In addition, there are two places I know of that carry them,
for delivery by mail.  Of the two, Triplette is cheaper...

	Tibor

Triplette Competition Arms (fencing and theatrical swords)
411 S. Main Street
Mount Airy, NC 27030
+1 919 786 5294
(Free catalog)

American Fencing Supply (Fencing and Theatrical)
1180 Folsom Street
San Francisco, CA 94103
+1 415 863 7911
(Fencing catalog free, swords $3.00)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)