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From: hidinger@peanuts (Ron Hidinger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:24:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: pelicans.hidinger.702833093

>lally@beta.lanl.gov (Bryan R. Lally) writes:
>>My experience with UPS doesn't bode well ...  I sent my bike from
>>case (a PedalPack).  It took 3 days (OK so far).  UPS was able to tear
>>off and lose the ~3" seatbelt webbing straps that surround the case to
>>completely unwilling to do anything about it, even to look for the
>>They beat the case up quite a bit.  Multiple airlines have not been
>>able to inflict this much damage, including several overseas flights.
>>More recently (last week), I received a new frame sent UPS from
>>Pennsylvania to New Mexico.  Yup, you guessed it.  UPS dropped it,
>>crushed the box, and crushed the head tube.  Think I want to trust
>>these guys with any more bikes?
>>	- bryan lally


I shipped my track bike to Minneapolis and back to San Diego last summer
via UPS.  I packed it in a bike box rescued from my local bike shop's dumpster.
(By the way, if you want a nice box, scrounge around for a Krestrel box.  
Extra thick cardboard and foam padding bonded to the inside.  Sort of like
a hard shell helmet for your bike.  But I had to settle for a Specialized
because my bike wouldn't fix in the Kestrel.)  Because of the bike's size 
(64 cm) and the solid wheel axles it was a tighter fit than would have been 
expected.  I wrapped all the tubes in pipe insulation and taped all the loose 
stuff down.  It arrived on time at a reasonable rate (3 working days, 
~$12.00, one way), but the box did show evidence of some rough handling 
and the wheels had to be trued.  All in all, I'd do it again, but would 
perhaps ship the wheels separately.

						Ron Hidinger
						hidinger@nosc.mil
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headsets (Stronglight?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:07:29 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <702796083.0@selene.FidoNet> Tim.Cahill@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Tim Cahill) writes:
>Just bought one and installed it. Like it a lot!

Great.  Let us know if you still like it 10 or 20,000 miles from now.

(This is not a flame, but I don't understand what there is to "like" about
a new headset -- though I could see hating one that couldn't be adjusted
properly.  To my mind a headset is as good as the number of miles you can
get out of it, with adjustments for the type of riding you do and the
amount of maintenance it requires.)
-- 
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Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Kestrel advice wanted
Keywords: Kestrel, advice, wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:18:45 GMT

pjs@netcom.com (Philip J. Schneider) writes:
>So, I'd like to hear folks' views, experiences, comparisons, etc. --
>anything which I can use to help me make a more informed decision
>(of *course* I'll test ride as well :-)

This may or may not be useful but two things I'd like to mention are;
-Kestrels are on sale at lots of places right now, in some cases up to 40%
off so don't pay full retail if you decide on one.
-Kestrels have a limited warranty, I thinks its five years but I'm not
sure, many other frames have lifetime warrantys.
-For the amount of money you spend on a kestrel you could get a titanium
frame.
O.K. thats more than two things, heres some more;
-The handling on the kestrels I rode is excellent as is the geometry, they
are very comfortable and light, noticeably more comfortable that the new
Trek composite frames the 5200 and whatever the other one is called.
I went for titanum because I think it will last much longer, is as
comfortable and as stiff and has good handling (Merlin).
-Terry
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From: gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Davis Double
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:05:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqhvvINN5ir
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International
NNTP-Posting-Host: glacier.berkeley.edu

Anyone on the net planning on riding the Davis Double this
year?  I'm looking for a car pool as well as possibly splitting
a hotel room.

George T. Chen
gtchen@speech.sri.com
From: IO20081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (robert eric beckwith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: slingshot ?'s
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:10:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I am interested in a slingshot bicycle, either the tri, or
road bike.  Anyone out there have any opinions. and
also a dealer or makers address.
thanks in advance.
               robert..

      IO20081@maine.maine.edu   (robert beckwith)
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:8725 rec.autos.driving:2188 ca.driving:788 rec.motorcycles:12323
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>Richard Ottolini writes:
>>Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>>laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>>things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>>having night lights on the vehicle.  [.  .  .]
>
In article <1992Apr6.230032.27377@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:

>Really?  For example, 90% of all motorists obey the speed laws on
>freeways?  I wonder where Mr. Ottolini gathers these amazing statistics.
>
     No Les, he said BASIC stuff....disobedience of asinine speed
     laws is a civic DUTY, not a violation of law.


      Going from the ability and willingness to stay on the correct
      side of the road, stopping at stop signs, etc. to speed laws
      is a pretty big stretch.

      Besides, one would bet that the obedience is more due to
      visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
      conspicuous cruising down the wrong side of the road.
From: noe@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: how many calories do I burn?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Apr9.215118.22603
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana,  IL

In article <1992Apr8.054845.3528@ux.acs.umn.edu> frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams) writes:
>Assuming that the body can convert about 25% of its caloric intake into
>work, then the replacement cost for your commute (4 miles) would be 68 kcal
>at 12 mph and 103 kcal at 16 mph.  In other words, hammer the commute and it
>earns you a fig newton - one lousy fig newton.

While I haven't worked with any of the numbers and do not wish to dispute
any of this, I do want to point out that it's more complicated.  Repeated
aerobic exercise will increase your body's metabolism, causing you to burn
more calories than before, even at rest.  My weight hasn't changed much
since I started daily cycling 8 months ago, but I know my muscle mass has
jumped way up, while my food intake has remained almost unchanged.  That
means I burned a lot of fat along the way, and that shows (rather, it
doesn't show any more)!

>Perhaps you should focus on the cardiovascular
>benefits of your commuting.  How many percent can you lower your resting
>heart rate over the summer?  Anything over 10 percent would be significant.

I had about a 75/minute heart rate last August, now it's down to 52!
My blood pressure (at rest) dropped from about 130/85 to 115/70, and
looks like it's still edging down.  Whatever else there is to say
about it, cycling is WONDERFUL exercise when you go at it regularly
enough and with sufficient intensity.  This is easy for me to do because
it's so fun.

Looking forward to my first (metric) century in a little over 2 weeks.
--
Roger Noe                            noe@cs.uiuc.edu
Department of Computer Science       40:06:39 N.  88:13:41 W.
University of Illinois               (217) 244-6173
Urbana, IL  61801  USA               "Open the %#%$# pod bay doors, HAL!"
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From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christina R. Wagner)
Subject: Mtb races in Il. In. and Mo.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:14:48 GMT

I have info on Mtb races in the general area of Il/In/Mo.
St. Louis Mo.
Sponsored by Midwest Mtn Bike Club, NORBA sanctioned
Dates: April 26, May 3, May 17, June 14, etc.
for more info (314)427-5400 or (314)257-3123 ask for Margo or Jennifer.

Morrison Il. (off I-88 about 26 miles from Iowa)
Sponsored by Illinois Cross Country Racing Association, not NORBA
Dates: April 12, May 17, sometime in June (I don't remember), and 2 more.
for more info (815)778-3641 ask for Bill Gusse (pronounced Gussey).

Yellow Banks (a park/lake near Evansville In.)
Sponsored by Southern Indiana Mtn Bike Club and GT Bicycles, NORBA sanctioned
Date: May 17
for more info (812)473-2453 Robert Sullivan or Bryan Mason
they probably have more races(I raced in one last year) but I only have
stuff about this one.

You can also email me (crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)and I'll tell you what I
know.  I have raced at Morrison and near Evansville, and kind of know the
organizers.

Ride on, 
Raydude.
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB racin' in western NY, north western PA, and southern Ontario.
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Sorry about the world wide distribution, but I wanted the Canadians
in the Toronto/Hamilton area to be aware of this too.

	May 3rd, Tour De Lump, Palmyra, NY (near Rochester).  Gary Austin
at (716) 544 - 2427

	May 3rd, Backwoods Bash Ontario Team Selection Race, Pleasure Valley,
Ont., Contact Silent Sports (416) 889 - 3772.

	May 10th, Sorry Mom, I'm Racing! Regional Race, Hockley Valley, Ont.,
Contact Ollie's Cycle and Ski (416) 873 - 2441

	May 16th, Pedal Away/World's End MTB Challenge, Greek Peak, Cortland,
NY.  Jim Belknap Jr. at (607) 863 - 3322.

	May 17, Prospect Mountain Bike Quest/ Lions Journey for Sight.
Port Allegany, Pa.  Call evenings at (814) 642 - 2295 or days at
(814) 642 - 2552 ext. 216.  **** fun race last year, a real long climb, but
a wicked fast and fun downhill at the end.

	Riverfest Mountain Bike Challenge Regional Race, Branfort, Ont.,
Contact Agency Blue, (519) 759 - 5064.

	June 6, Canadian Fat Tire Festival, Kelso Conservation Area, Milton,
Ont.  Contact Rick Davis Promotions (416) 234 - 8332.  *** Great race, tough,
but great.  Last year Rishi attended -he was fast.


	June 28, Raccoon Rally, Alleghany State Park, (70 miles south of 
Buffalo).  Call either (716) 373-2453 in Olean, NY, or (716) 632 - 2631.

	July 4 & 5, Canada Cup & Ontario Team Selection Race, Horseshoe Valley,
(a little north of Toronto?), Rick Davis Promotions (416) 234 - 8332  
**** Tomac is scheduled to race this one.

	July 11, Cortland County Energy Fair Challenge, Greek Peek, Cortland,
NY, Jim Belknap Jr., (607) 863 - 3322.  **** although I didn't attend it last
year, I understand it was a good race.

	Aug. 23, Highland Forest MTB Race, Fabius, NY.  Andy Liteer (315)
622 - 0504.

	I suppose this is enough for now.  If anybody knows about any races 
that people living in the aforementioned areas might attend, please let me
know about them.  My E-mail address is V561WHW@SUNYAB.BITNET.

					Cars generally suck, but racing
					mountain bikes is cool,

							Kevin
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Re: Bike Locks (Was: Re: BICYCLE CRASH)
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:41:44 GMT

In article <7910240@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve
Koren) is being a roadie: 
>
>> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
>> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle
>
>Well, its clear that roads were not built for cars.  But were they
>really built for bicycles?  I always thought they were first
>used for things like moving armies around before cars _or_ bicycles
>existed.
>
>  - steve

Ahhhh! History rears its ugly head!

The Romans built and **paved** roads for such use.

The paving of roads in the US of A followed special interest group
pressure by a group of vehicular operators that has come to be known
as bicyclists. 
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  NOT!!!
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:36:57 GMT

In article <kevin.16@varian.com> kevin@varian.com (Kevin D. Myers) writes:
>	on the other end of the spectrum, i heard of a service engineer
>who really needs to drive for his job, who was stopped for a moving
>violation, tested for alcohol at 0.1% and had his life turned upside down
>as a consequence. He served some jail time, had his license suspended, had
>to go to AA etc...
>it certainly shows the unequal application of justice!

Great !!!
Maybe if there are more examples like this people will realize that it's
not ok to drive after drinking. 

don
don@island.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Ken_Goodrich@gcdmacs.larc.nasa.gov (Ken_Goodrich)
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Organization: NASA-Langley Research Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:09:14 GMT

Not to beat a dead horse if this a frequently discussed issued, but why did
mountain bikers go back to 26" wheels if roadies have found 27/700 wheels to be
the best compromise between fit and performance.  I can see that MB frames are
typically smaller than RB frames, increasing fit problems, but it also seems
that the ability of a large wheel to roll over obstructions more easily than a
small wheel would favor the use of large wheels on MB's, at least in larger
frame sizes.  So what compelling arguments are there for 26" off-road wheels --
strength?, aesthetics?-They do make the bike look like a cute little
motorcycle.  Could a racer gain a (small) edge by using 700c wheels, assuming
appropriate tires and frame were available.

Ken_Goodrich


In article <tr.703282167@samadams> tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
writes:

>This -- along with other topics -- reappears with increasing
>frequency.  I think we should include it in the FAQ (if it's not
>already there) under "determining ideal wheel size" or something like
>that.
>
>I saved an article on the topic that Jobst Brandt submitted.  It is
>enclosed below.  In summary, we ideally would want to ride as large a
>wheel as we physically can, despite what your intuition tells you.
>
>-Tom
>---- Begin enclosed article ----
>From:        jobst_brandt%01@hp1900.desk.hp.com
>Date:        27 Nov 91 23:31:00 GMT
>Subject:     Re: 26" wheels on a road bike
>
>Chris Moll writes:
>
>> I'm getting a custom frame built and wondered what
>> people thought of using 26 inch road wheels.  Smaller
>> wheels ought to be lighter and stronger.
>
>and goes on to list advantages and disadvantages, most of which are less
>that important in deciding what size to use.  What in fact brought us
>the wheel size (700 or 27") that we have is better understood by the
>women riders who have a hard time fitting these wheels into their small
>bicycle frames.  Wheels would be larger than they are if they would fit
>the average riders bike, but they don't.  So the compromise size is what
>we are riding today.
>

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From: nadell@gandalf.lerc.nasa.gov (Shari-Beth Nadell)
Subject: Cycling in Chicago
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:10:10 GMT

Hi!  I'm going to Chicago next weekend and am planning on taking my bike.
I'll be staying on Lake Shore Drive, right off the Belmont exit (near
Wrigley Field).  I'll have easy access to the path that runs through the
park on the lake, but there always seems to be a lot of people there.
I'm wondering  a) if this is the best place for me to ride,  b) if it is,
is there a part of the park "better" than another in terms of pedestrian
traffic, safety, anything else, and  c) if anyone knows of other safe places
in the area for a cyclist.

Direct e-mail would be appreciated (to nadell@gandalf.lerc.nasa.gov).
Thanks!!

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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Sturmey-Archer hub book
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:13:18 GMT
Disorganization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

There's reportedly a book on Sturmey-Archer hubs and the history of
Sturmey-Archer.  Can anybody tell me the title, authors, press, have
suggestions about how to find one, etc?  TIA.

Saturday at Bikesmith I saw the latest addition to a bikie's bikie's
collection: a 1938 Sturmey-Archer 2-speed fixed-gear hub, never used.
40-spoke with wing nuts for quick release.  I've talked with a few
people over the years who've heard of the Sturmey 3-speed fixed-gear
hub, but never the 2-speed.  Hen's teeth, but there it is!

		;-D oN  ( Captain Shift )  Pardo
From: kasha@twolf12.CE.YALE.EDU (Dan B. Kasha)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Corrosion problems in Al Bikes (Wuz XXX Schwinn...)
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:17:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.171716.827
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ce.yale.edu
Organization: Yale Dept of Electrical Engineering


I rode mine for years on Eastern Long Island litterally through salt
water puddles.  Every steel bolt (derailure, handlebar,etc.) was nice
and coroded, but certainly nothing to worry about in the cannondale
frame.  I recently cut the chain stay off that dale and it is healthy
as can be, and surprisingly thick walled as well.  My windsurf boom
(unpainted Al, constantly in salt) shows signs of pitting, but if it
were steel, it wouldn't show any signs at all.  I would  not be worried
at all.
Dan


In article <1992Apr11.235227.4982@ac.dal.ca>, wulfie@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> Aluminum chloride.... corrosion.  I'm not a chemist but dad's a PHD chemist
|> and never mentioned this one to me when I bought my Cdale.  But, i'll put it
|> like this.  I ride my Cdale year around mostly in coastal areas and am not
|> very good about keeping it clean.  In addition, Cannondales are _Very_
|> common in Halifax NS.  Furthermore. paint is easily scraped and knocked off
|> of these bikes...  In spite of all this, I have _Never_ talked to anyone, heard
|>  of anyone or had experience myself with corrosion problems on a Cannondale.
|> If I remeber correctly my highschol chemistry (5 years past) Sodium is a
|> heck of a lot more reactive than aluminum so why would Aluminum out compete
|> the sodium ion (as they are putting NaCl on the road).  Put here's the capper.
|> What about the aluminum hulled, unfinished canoe and motorboat I've been
|> polishing the rocks of Port Medway Harbor with since '84.
|> 
|> *******************************************************************************
|> Matthew Wulfman		  || "wulfie@ac.dal.ca"	          __o    
|> 5497 Victoria Rd - Apt 4  || (902) 421-1094              -\<,    
|> Halifax, Nova Scotia	  ||       677-2292        ......O/ O    
|> CANADA,      B3H 1M6
|> $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: A Nice Word for Huffy
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:03:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.22520
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>Ten Thousand Miles!  on a Huffy!? In *one*year* ?!??  Say, two hundred
>miles per week!!!??!!!

Surely that isn't unusual?  For commuters anyhow.  It's just a matter
of daily distance and add it up.
From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 19:40:16 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: WBA

kasha@twolf6.CE.YALE.EDU (Dan B. Kasha) writes:

>If this thread is trying to talk people into building wheels, I have one
>thing to add.  Building a wheel (better than say a nashbar stock wheel) is
>much easier than truing a used wheel.  You are starting with a rather round
>rim (no bends dents other than gentle out of roundness), and you are starting
>with rather even length unbent spokes.  The chance of getting in trouble is
>slim because you can just keep everything even and be about right.  I find
>it extremely easy to get it to that mm level which is much better than a
>stock wheel that was ridden for a few miles.  
>Dan

Yes! I second that motion!  I worked for two hours on my roomates 10K 
mile old wheel.  The last time she rode it she biffed big time into a
major pothole and put a good size flat spot in the rim.

It was definately tricky to get the monster evenly tensioned, trued, 
and round again.  Er' that's the wheel, not the roomate.

Edzoid
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From: Brad.Hedstrom@engr.UVic.CA (Brad  Hedstrom)
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:07:22 GMT


Why? Why? Why? is this cross-posted to non-cycling groups? We have
enough trouble with motor vehicle drivers as it is without aggravating
them further with these unrelated cross-posts.

From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
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From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:07:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Bike Locks (Was: Re: BICYCLE CRASH)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.