From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Profits to Japan?
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.170112.20729@rtsg.mot.com>, declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|> >>Profits obtained from sales of Ford, Chrysler, and GM products (where
|> >>applicable) often times end up going overseas to purchase other businesses
|> >>and set up factories ...
|> 
|> Yes, the North American Auto manufacturers do set up plants in other countries
|> to build cars in other countries. But these cars and a majority of their parts
|> never make it to the U.S. The engineering and part content are primarily for the market
|> in which they are sold.
|> In other words, The U.S. manufacturers like to integrate into the market economy
|> in which they sell. The Japanese on the other hand, engineer almost everything
|> in Japan, and build a majority of the components in Japan, and might do final
|> assembly here (which is a pretty small portion of the total cost of a vehicle).
|> IN other words, the Japanese like to dominate their aspect of the economy in which they 
|> sell. 

Oh, I see.  What you are saying is that companies like GM, IBM, Ford, AT&T, etc.,
like to own foreign countries so they buy most of it, and that this is better than 
exporting.  Cool, that way when you kill off 1000's of the population in an accident
it doesn't matter because you own everyone.

|> True, the shocks are made by tokiko (I believe). But, I'll bet that my
|> mustang has much more North American Content, than any Accord that rolls off
|> the Marysville assembly line.

The NA content of Accords built in Ontario is 70%+.  Ask your government, they lost
the Free-Trade battle on this one (and the same one on Civics).

|> 5.0L V8 - made in Windsor, canada, or Cleveland OH.
|> Borg Warner T5 gearbox - Made in Ohio, I believe.
|> Rear end - made in the Ford Axle plant, sterling heights, MI (home town)
|> Steering Gear - TRW steering and suspension, Sterling heights, MI
|> EEC-IV - Made in Franklin Park Illinois by Motorola
|> Sheet Metal - various places in the U.S
|> Glass - Domestic CarLite
|> 
|> The best thing I like about it... Engineered in Dearborn, MI.
|> by Americans, for the American market. The Japanese don't seem to have the "flair"
|> in design and engineering that the American companies do. SUV's and minivans are
|> an american concept.  Some people would probably argue with me, and talk about the
|> Miata, the J30, Infiniti Q45, Lexus LS400, Nissan 300ZX, etc..
|> You'll notice that these are just reworked designs from the past, brought forward
|> with more modern manufacturing techniques.

Ah, excuse me, but exactly what did Japan copy when they built the 300ZX, the RX-7,
the Supra, the MX-3, the MX-6, etc.  Sure, some of their cars, mostly the expensive
four seaters and the Miata, are rip-offs from the Europeans, but I can't think of
1 Japanese car (ok, maybe one) that is a rip-off of any american design.  I can think
of lot's of NA cars that are either rip-offs of Japanese cars, or to save on the 
effort, are actually Japanese cars.

|> I bought this car (Mustang LX5.0) because:
|> 1) it has the heart and soul of american styling and the performance characteristics

i.e. - It's gets 4mpg because we like to pollute and we've killed to have low oil prices.

|> I like for the price I could afford.
|> 2) A lot of the components are made by classmates in high school.

i.e. - I'll buy it even if it is crap.

|> 3) A majority of the money spent goes back into the U.S. economy, therefore
|>    raising my standard of living.

i.e. - My standard of living is high because Motorola exports to other countries.
       Now if we can just get all of our market too then we can own the whole world.

|> If given the choice, I'd buy it again (probably get more options, though).
|> I've never owned a car without a V8 motor, and never one with less than 4.3L
|> of displacement. I am going to try my best at keeping it that way.

Wait until you pay $2.50/gallon like the rest of the world.  Oh, I forgot, if anyone
tries that on your nation you'll have them shot!

|> => Dan DeClerck                      |  EMAIL: dand%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com   <=
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We use Motorola chips that aren't built in Canada - I guess we should rethink this,
after all :

  1) They don't have the heart and soul of Canadians.
  2) None of the components are made by my class mates.
  3) None of the money goes back into the Canadian economy.

Fortunately, given the choice again, we would buy Motorola chips even if they aren't
built in Canada, because we think they are the best product.  Maybe you should try
this line of thought, that way you won't look like such a flag waving arrogant american.  
Mind you, that may be too much to ask.

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Admiral Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
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