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From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A threat from....
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:38:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.weYwdd600VB=A8ofcK
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I read with interest the article on Abdul Kalam, India's
foremost rocket scientist, on S.C.T.

I just wanted to ask: how many of you know that the Space
Center in Trivandrum (where the satellite launchers are
built) was one of the targets that the LTTE threatened ?

Technology development and terrorism don't go together.
You can have an Abdul Kalam or the LTTE, not both.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: READ/REJECT .. But TRUTH NEVER FAILS ...
Date: 20 Aug 1992 15:31:16 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Sundara Pandian writes:

>  Are you referring to my article titled,
> "Varna-ashrama-dharma in ancient Tamil civilization - Part 2 " ?
>  I don't think that I posted `rubbish' in the Part 1 of that
>  article. The quotes that I posted are taken from the book


    Look here, I never said you post *only* rubbish.
    You summarise some articles on the net telling who said
    what, when...... All of us receive SCT and we have
    seen *those* rubbish articles once. That is all.
 
    Certainly not *this* article that you posted!

> What I posted are research material. I am actually planning
> to post a series of informative articles on `Ancient Tamil
> Civilization' if there is enough interest from readers. I request
> interested readers to send their opinion to sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu.
> I also request readers to contribute articles on Ancient Tamils.

     One more interested person here.

> that I keep in my writing. I did not post any apology for
> posting this poem and I don't remember apologising in my reply

   Bud, if you are going to disown your own posts like this,
   don't even bother arguing with me. Don't even refer to my
   articles in the future. Please get off my back!

   Anyway, here is your earlier article: [something I managed to save]
   This is not only an apology; it is much much more than that
   and to you goes the credit for that.

***************************************************************************
Article 75787 of soc.culture.indian:
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sparrow rises : soc.culture.tamil
Date: 28 Apr 1992 10:50:31 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

                        [stuff deleted]
>   If you read the lives of great souls like Jesus Christ or
>   Buddha or Gandhi, you would not have failed to notice they forgive those
>   who plead guilty.  I am sure that they will forgive me for my silly
>   experiment.
                        [stuff deleted]
****************************************************************************


> I am always in the clear. I don't have to `clear' myself.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                Hmm..........

>   Who told you that I am a `Neo-Gandhi' ?
>   I respect Gandhi and his principles `truth' and `non-violence'.

      You see, I have a tendency to call people who proclaim "I am always
      in the clear", "I am a Gandhian" & so on and so forth Neo-Gandhis.
      That is a neologism. If you want something less offensive,
      coin one yourself.

      Here is one more:

***************************************************************************
>
>>> Though we differ in our views, as a Gandhian, I wish you good luck
>                                  -------------
>>> in your efforts.
>
>
>>Bye
>
>>Vasuki
>                                                           S.Pandian.
>                                                       sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
***************************************************************************


> I don't like the comparison between my `puththaaNdu vaazhththu'
> and your strong flames on Meenan Vishnu. I can't draw any anology.

      Ho ho Ho! Don't even attempt bracketing me along with *you*. Please!

> Regarding `policing', it is not just me who don't like to see
> flames posted on the net. Also, I don't involve in `personal attacks'
> or `digging the past' .
 

      But you give your blessings to those who do that. "M***** wrote
      excellent articles today...... BK's satire ..................."
      Since you don't dig the past, stop the nonsense about which Gita
      is right. Don't ever talk of the caste-system for it no more exists
      as an oppressive symbol in T.N . Brahmins no more wield the influence
      or the power they enjoyed in T.N earlier. Other than reciting "mantras"
      in temples, I should add. Inconsequential thus far!
 

      BK

      That will be my last response to your articles.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Hate-tamils
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:28:56 GMT

In article <l8nn5hINNi59@sal-sun118.usc.edu> rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>Mr.Kathiravan Krishnamurthi quotes in his previous article
>
>"  They had Periyaar who valiantly stood against 
>all the machinations of the varNa based
>brahmanism and veda based irrational stupidity 
>in the country."

There is a distinction in the original post.
First lesson: brahminism != brahmins (not equal)

>
>	This is positively not a reason.It is because of narrow-minded
>people like you that they hate tamils.The bramins are respected simply
>because they have come up in life through hard work.This is in hard
>contrast to what the people whom supposedly Periyar
>represents.Everybody knows how the "Thaztta Patta Pirivinar" , as they
>are called get into colleges.These people get into colleges with 35%

I guess if people like Periyar did not valiantly stand against
the prejudices, then the vaikkom temple would still not allow
"thAzthappata pirivinar", and the "thAzthappata pirivinar" will
still be learning what they call "kulak kalvi" and can never come
up in their life.

>and all they do is to screw up thw whole damn system.It is not the

Which SYSTEM are you talking about?

>irrational stupidity of the vedas which make people hate tamils, but

S_Bala
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Categories and Castes
Date: 21 Aug 1992 14:06:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



        Nath,

>Open Category is more like 18 %. But the majority of the so called Backward
>caste guys do not study hard as they are secure in the knowledge that they
             ^^^^^^
>will get in anyhow, so in my view it is only hurting them in the long run.

        Shouldn't that be might not? Curious.

>nothing more than dumb politicians wanting their dumb sons and relatives in
>through an easy way.
>Reservation is never the answer. Instead, help should be provided in the form
>of coaching classes etc to help the truly deserving. And after coaching they
>should participate in open competition without any reservation scheme to give
>them a false sense of security. Merit should never be sacrificed, the country


       The "sense" ain't false. The "security" is. [Picking nits :-)]
       About the article, "Enappa Indha pOdu pOdara"?

       So, you have "g"ed in again :-)

       bk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Tamil Jokes
Originator: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:20:22 GMT

  Verappan joke:

                 "Verappan soapu onnu kodhungha!"

                 "Ennadhu, Verappan soapa?"

                 "Adhangha ... sandhana soap!"

 Lip-stick joke:

                "Ramu! `vaimai' enral enna?"

                 "Lips  stick  sir!"

                 We can also coin a new word from 
the above joke. Actually we used say "vudhattu 
sayam" for lip-stick. So we can also say "vai-mai"
from the above joke.
       
          "Vaimai" - Truth,Fact.
          "Vai-mai"- Lip-stick.

             Vaimai can be used with two different
meanings depending on the context.

Anbuden,
C.Rathinavelu

"Getting the punishment from a tiger (not LTTE) is 
better than getting the morality from a mouse".
From: rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: chellamana chandai
Date: 20 Aug 1992 18:28:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

	Sunadara Pandian ezhuthuvar" Meenan, neer upoyagittha sorkal
thavaru.Naan solli tharen entha mathiri sorkalai upoyogikkanum
enru.nee ezhuthiyathu nammudaya anti-brahmin kolkaikku otthu varadu"

	Atharku, Meenan udane " mannikka vendu kiren " enru paduvar.

aaha, arputham, enna chellamana chandai. yenna ottrumai. Oru velai
meenan vishnuvirku thalai valithal sundara pandian thadavividuvaro?
athu mudiyathe, rendu perum romba tholaivil irukkirarakal.athanal
pandian thanuthu thalayil thailatthai thadavippar.

rammohan
From: govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil Names - A request
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:31:14 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

>>In article <6844@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K)  
>>writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One of my friend is interested in giving a short but
>>> meaningful tamil name to his newy born baby boy.
>>> 
>>> Can someone in the SCT netters suggst some meaningful
>>> tamil names and the meantime it can be pronounced by
>>> westerners easily.

my son (9 months) has been named "kamarin".according to my wife, who looked
it up in a tamil dictionary, it means "youth".in this country it will
probably be anglicized to "cameron". my own name is "mogamberry" and has
been anglicized to "morgan".can anyone enlighten me as to the meaning
or origin of the name "mogamberry"?

mogamberry (morgan) govender
govender@shannon.ee.wits.za 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: raj@news.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: 100 follow up articles
Originator: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:34:51 GMT


Flame wars(pyromaniac postings)  in SCT Train is going to derail
it. There are few people around there who are interested in 
mud slinging and humiliating others. They need not care for others.
They are not making any points but they destroy reputation of
SCT will lead to the reduction of readership sooner or later.

Before threading a article please think twice who had posted that.
There are few people who unfortunately act like tamil while
they are posting article. Their names or inaccurate facts 
show that they are not Tamils.

There are three kinds of posting that stirred the SCT.

1.The Postings about Periyar :
We don't need this. Somebody will post about another female
leader because she is a also a leader. At the end stadard of 
SCT will plummet.


2. Postings about Reservation:

We may not like Hitler. But we won't believe if someone posts
that Hitler eat  steel ingots and tires instead of breads and donuts.

One gentleman posted an article regarding reservation. I said that 
inaccurate. There were 40-50 articles which are against my assertion.
I may not like reservation, but I can not see anything near truth
in that article.

" I have a relative who scored 98% in
  12th board exams, and failed to secure a medical or engineering seat."

" Further, I conjecture that the marks required
  of the backward classes for admission to colleges and jobs later on
  are low enough (40%?) to extinguish any motivation to work hard and really
  learn (i.e., why work when the govt. promises you a free ride?)."

There used to be cut off analysis in Hindu and Indian Express. 
I am not very accurate in this. Please take this as just illustration
if you don't like.


About 15 % of the open quota seats are taken up by the BC and 1 % by SC&ST.
In simple terms 16% of the total seats are taken up the BC&SC who have 
scored more than his relative.(more than 98%).

The cutoff mark for BC ranges from 220 -230. Cut off mark for MBC
around 200. Cut off mark for SC&ST is around 175.

For Anna U. the cut off mark is always very high(around 225 for SC).

" rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes,
"
  Mr.M.P.Krishna Raj,
                Let me tell you that my neighbor, who supposedly
belongs to the backward caste(even though he is a well off
person,economically) got into guindy, after getting 24/50 in the
entrance exam and 43% , while my brother with 42/50 in the entrance
exam and 94% still could not get into any govt college."

I can only say the above remark is a fantasy. The cut off mark for
Anna U.  for BC is around 239.

3. Why I hate Tamil articles

They are the worst kind of articles. Instead of introspection it gave
opportunity for hate mongers.


M.P.Krishna Raj

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: AARUPADAI VEEDU
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:39:32 GMT


For those who are not clear about AARUPADAI VEEDU and its 
importance, the following song should make them clear :


Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga
Thirumurugaattrup padaithanilae varu muruga... muruga
Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga

Paattudai thalaivan endru unnai vaiththaen
Unnaip paadi thozhuvatharkae ennai vaiththaen


Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga......


Vaendiya maambazhaththai kanapathikku, antha
vellip panithalaiyar koduththatharkku
Aandiyin kolamuttru malai meethu
Nee amarntha PALANI oru padai veedu
             ^^^^^^

Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga......


Oru paerum thaththuvathin saaraeduththu, nalla
Om aenum manthiraththin porul uraiththu
Thanthaikku upathesam seitha malai
Engal thamizh thirunaadu kanda SWAMI MALAI
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^

Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga......


Thevar padaith thalaimai poruppaeduththu
Thozhgal thinavaeduththu sooran udal kizhiththu
Kovil kondae amarntha oru veedu
Kadal konchum SENTHOORil ulla padai veedu
              ^^^^^^^^

Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga.....


Kurunakai theivaanai malarodu, unthan
kulamakalaai varum ninaivodu
Thirumanak kolam konda oru veedu
Vanna THIRUPPARANGKUNDRAM ennum padaiveedu
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
murugaa......


Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga........


Thevar kurai thavirththu sinam thaninthu
Valli thelluththamizh kuraththi thanai mananthu
Kaaval puriyavaendru amarntha malai
Engal kanniththamizhar THIRUTHANIkai malai
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
Thanikai malai.... thiruthanikai malai....


Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga......


Kallamillaamal varum adiyavarkku...adiyavarkku
Nalla kaatchi thanthu kandhan karunai thanthu
Valli Theivaanaiyudan amar solai
Thanga mayil vilaiyaadum PAZHAMUDHIRCHOLAI
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mayil vilaiyaadum Pazhamudhircholai....

murugaa....


Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga
Thirumurugaattrup padaithanilae varu muruga... muruga
Arupadai veedu konda thirumuruga


 
THIRAPPADAM : Kandhan Karunai
Paadiyavar  : Sirkazhi S. Govindarajan


Anbudan,

V R Kumar

"Vaazhga thamizh, Vaazhga vaiyagam, Vaazhga valamudan"

"Thamizhukkum amuthaendru paer, aththamizh inbath
 thamizh engal uyirukku naer"





-- 
 V.R.Kumar (Ramkumar Venkatachalam)                                 
 CSIRO, Division of Information Technology                         
 P.O.Box:1599, Macquarie Centre, North Ryde, NSW 2113, AUSTRALIA  

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From: arun@tinton.ccur.com (Arun Kandappan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Planning of Madras city
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:08:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corporation, Tinton Falls, NJ

In <chepan.713627428@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> chepan@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Parthasarathy Nambi) writes:

>nagabhus@aludra.usc.edu (Vasuki N) writes:
>
>>	It is surprising that Madras being one of the biggest cities in India
>>does not have planned growth of the city. Just adjacent to the "municipal
>
>	If there was any planning for the City of Madras, the planners
>	would have never imagined the population growth we have in the

	There is a planning board and MMDA (Madras Metropolitan Development
Authority ) is the co-ordinating authority. Suburban developments like
Annanagar, KKNagar, Besant Nagar etc. are part of the planned development.
However with limited resources and not enough choice it is difficult to
make a bold move. South Delhi is a fine example of how planning and control
can make some parts of a city a nice place to live in. But with the huge
population and the restrictions faced due to social and economic planning
might not make much of a difference.

	Arun
-- 
arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Reservation issue
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:57:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

OK, here is my $0.02 on the 'hot' issue of reservation.

I am opposed to reservation because it is an unworkable and pseudo
soln. It creates another elite among the BC/SC/STs, who grab
all the benefits in the name of the socially oppressed people.
This system has a very harmful effect of taking away the pride
from the really deserving BC/SC/ST students who could have made it on 
their own. Most of the BC/SC/ST politicians are fairly well off and they know
that their children and their relatives will be the real beneficiaries
of the system, rather than the socially downtrodden who cause they
profess to espouse.

The fundamental problem confronting our society is that of improving schools.
Governments avoid this problem because they know this is not an easy
problem. Instead they take the easy way out in reserving seats in college
and higher education. Like most other easy solns it happens to be the 
wrong one. Most people who need reservations don't really 
get through the schools.

This is not to deny the existence social inequities. But reservation is a
pseudo and unworkable soln. The issue of quotas is one of the causes of 
turmoil in our neighbouring country, Sri lanka. If continued it will
land India in flames. Mandal issue is too fresh in every one's mind and
too serious to ignore.

Ramana
From: gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: VeRuppu....
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:06:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.193703.5773@ms.uky.edu> aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes:
>	Was Periyar a perfect man? No. Neither was Gandhi. Gandhi 
>	slept with his young female relatives after he was 70 years
>	old. It does not change the fact that he was a Mahatma.
>	your logic defies logic!

Your arguments were mostly reasonable except the above one.
Yeah, G conducted some experiments about his own will power by
sharing a bed with young women and he had the moral courage
to talk to the world about not only the experiments but also
about his failure in them.

Now, when Anna went and gave open interviews about Periyar
geting married at a ripe age to a young girl just to protect
his wealth, P would not even offer a clarification.  Is there
any comparison at all between the two?

I am really happy for the Dravidian movement for serving the 
cause of the downtrodden and the Tamil language.  However, they
were not the first to do it.  When Justice party was still busy
persuading the British to stay on, Gandhi and his followers were
fighting for equality of all castes (remember that the aalayapravesam
at Madurai and other places led by Rajaji and others preceded
Vaikkom).
-- 
SRINIVASAN,K
School of Textile Engineering   Georgia Tech.
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From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 18 Aug 1992 17:40:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


>	"Write Sri RamaJayam 1000 times everyday. You will 
>	 get Motcham!"


         Oh Well! Let us see. What could have Motcham meant?
         There must be something besides its apparent meaning.
         Some kind of a misinterpretation lurking somewhere
         within. Motcham "originally" meant "good handwriting".
         But you know, some poor soul thought he'd rather
         misinterpret this so that generations to come will
         fight over it and even post long articles each giving
         his own interpretation and flavor to it, all the while
         having politics close to his heart. Anyway, it is 
         going to be another 1000 years before some Sinha pops
         up, does some independent investigation, adds a little
         flavor to it and reveals its "original" meaning. Then
         it is business as usual. "Motcham as it was" by Sinha

         [add a tag : Orissa Brahmin; does Sandhya vandhanam
          daily. Not a frustrated soul. Infact had two good
          Brahmin boyfriends too. Morally Righteous person.
          US return.]

         will be a big hit and will be interpreted & reinterpreted
         ................
 
          I guess "Write Sri RamaJayam 1000 times everyday. You will
          get Motcham! " was addressed to the literates of the world.
          Has to be! But whether it is Sri RamaJayam or 
          Srimathi SilukkuJayam, handwriting will improve for sure.
          Added bonus: Silukku will remain closer to our hearts.
          The choice is ours. Better than shouting "Vengaayam" 1000
          times at the top of our voice too, I would add.

          BK
         
 
     
        
          
         


	I also know this and of course I used to write Sri Ramajayam
	atleast for about 10 minutes in a day when I was in High School.
	The main idea of all these things is some kind of DHYANAM for
	atleast a few minutes in a day so that your body and mind feel
	relieved. If you can concentrate on something for
	about 15 minutes and sit idle that helps your body even
	according to modern day medicine. But COMMON PEOPLE will
	follow something if they are given some "extras" like
	"MOTCHAM" etc. I think that is the reason for all these
	practices.

	In fact if you can read or listen to KANNADASAN'S
	(yah! one time DK / DMK) follower) "ARTHAMULLA
	INDHU MADHAM" you will start appreciating some
	of the good things of HINDUISM. All of them have
	a hidden benefit but everything was branded in the
	name of GOD as people had more fear for GOD atleast
	in those days.



PK


Article 823 of soc.culture.tamil:
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:16:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu





   [******' crap [daily dose] deleted]

   Atleast that fellow has brains; rather had brains. Unlike our LTTE 
   miscreant. Poor fellow! Some upper-caste headmaster must have beaten
   him black and blue in his childhood. Now he is taking it out on the 
   rest. Or rather has had a very scarred life. What with cyanide and
   all that! I never knew an asylum would be granted for terrorists.
   Maybe they didn't know then. Not too late yet.  

   BK



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