HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ramu@cadsun.corp.mot.com (Ramu Iyer)
Subject: Tar error message on a Sun 3
Summary: tar: read error: I/0 error
Keywords: tar, Sun3, tape
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Software Research and Development, Rolling Meadows, IL. 60008
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:39:42 GMT

I have a tape drive from Atherton Technologies connected to a
standalone Sun 3 machine, which has a 500 MB hard disk.  I get the
following message whenever I try extracting (writing) files from (to)
a tape loaded on the tape drive:

tar: read error: I/O error

Neither the tape nor the tape drive seem to be defective; in fact,
they exhibit normal behavior when connected to another diskless Sun3
machine which boots off another server. 

Has anybody seen this before?

Thanks,

--Ramu Iyer

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.mail.sendmail
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: SunOS sendmail 4.1/SMI-4.1: bogus "User unknown"
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:52:55 GMT

In article <BzpqxD.BH@intellection.com> emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>This sendmail fails to verify addresses which correspond to records in
>the NIS "passwd" map, when started in rc.local as a daemon with
>"/usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q1h".

>What am I missing?

  cd /etc
  rm -f sendmail.fc  # and don't recreate it
  # now kill and restart your daemon.

[Sun's implementation of shared libraries is not completely compatible
with Berkeley's implementation of frozen configs.]

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: mahmood@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rafique Mahmood)
Subject: Need help on running 'sundiag' without being root
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:45:10 GMT

We have an account called 'field' which needs to run sundiag if needed.
We set the setuid bit but still they cannot run that.

They go to /usr/diag/sundiag and run the program, the response is:
execlp(probe): No such file or directory

Sundiag: Starting probing routine, please wait...
Sundiag: failed probing system configuration!



But 'probe' is in that directory and '.' is in the path.

When I read the man pages for sundiag, it says I have to be root to run it.

I like to know what can I set or do so maintenance people can run this
program without being a root.

Any suggetion will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Rafique
email: mahmood@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Help: Need uugetty for Sun IPC
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:51:33 GMT
Organization: cic

jburnes@csisun.uucp (Jim Burnes) writes:

>I've tried to use the same modem for both uucp and
>dial-in on our IPC.  When I installed uucp from the
>system CD it installed everything except a version
>of uugetty. After much hacking I found out that you
>have to run 'ttysoftcar' to make our dial-in line
>recognize a real carrier signal.  That was all well
>and good except I run into the following....

>   'uucico' runs and attempt to check/send email
>whatever and getty recognizes that the Carrier Detect
>has gone high...so that must mean that someone has
>dialed in....well stupid assumption on getty's part
>and he dives right in and disrupts the uucico trans-
>mission.  Doesnt even check for locks....


>Anyone have a solution for this?

I suggest you read the documentation on installing
uucp. In short, you have to use different /dev's
for dial-in and dial-out. And you have to modify
/etc/ttytab.

Do this (for ttya):

mknod /dev/cua0 c 12 128 # dial-out port

Change this in /etc/ttytab:

ttya    "/usr/etc/getty std.9600"       unknown         off local secure

to this (or similar):

ttyd0   "/usr/etc/getty std.9600"      unknown         on

And "mv /dev/ttya /dev/ttyd0".
-- 
| ...!unido!ukw!lupe  (German EUNet, "bang")     |  Disclaimer:            |
| lupe@ukw.UUCP       (German EUNet, domain)     |  This is an unofficial  |
| suninfo!alanya!lupe (Sun Germany)              |  opinion of Christoph & |
| Res non sunt complicanda praeter necessitatem. |  Imschweiler Consulting |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: sysadm@worak.kaist.ac.kr (system admin)
Subject: Re: [Q] NFS write error 13 on host...
Keywords: NFS
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.034335.18282@worak.kaist.ac.kr> jwjung@kaist.ac.kr (Jung Joo-won) writes:
>What's the meaning of the error:
>
>vmunix: NFS write error 13 on host jupiter fh 1666 a0000 121e 2a93614f a 0 22a93 6149000
>
Error num. 13, EACCES means "Permission denied".
Check your NFS server's file permission.

and... if your Iris has rpc.showfhd, you can find the full pathname of file
from the NFS file handle by using 'showfh'.

-chan

Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:9876 comp.sys.hp:14463
From: carl_r@cho006.cho.ge.com (Computer Systems & Tools)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.hp
Subject: X-ing from HP to SUN
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:10:39 EDT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation


    we recently added about 50 hp 715 workstations (running hpux 9.0) to
    our network of suns (running 4.1.2...in some cases running 4.1.3).

    my problem is x-ing from the HPs to the Suns...using the command:
    <xtool> -display sunnode:0.0

    it takes an incredible amount of time (say 10 to 15 minutes) to get the
    display up on a sun station.

    does this sound familiar?  is there something i'm doing wrong???
    any help will be greatly appreciated.

    thanks,

-- 
       Rick Carl
       GE Fanuc Automation N.A.
  **************************************************
       carl_r@cho000.cho.GE.COM
       GE-DECNET -> CHO000::CARL_R
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling)
Subject: Re: How to hack passwd or login
Reply-To: elling@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:41:11 GMT

In article 19120@cbnewsi.cb.att.com, ft@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (frederick.d.true) writes:
>Is the source for Sun's version of passwd available somewhere, so that
>I might add routines for password robustness?

Solaris 2.x has a more robust passwd program.  The scheme it uses is
to require at least 6 characters, at least 2 alpabetic characters,
and at least one numeric or special character.  Furthermore it must
be different than the login name or any reverse or circular shift of
the login name.  Lastly, it must differ from the previous password
by at least 3 characters.  For comparison, the alphabetic characters
are considered case insensitive.

If a user has no password, they must provide one the first time they
login.

Note that there is no dictionary check.  This might not be such a
problem though since they require a numeric or special character.

---
 Richard Elling                          Manager of Network Support
 Auburn University                       Engineering Administration
 richard.elling@eng.auburn.edu   KB4HB [44.100.0.72]  (205)844-2280
 Type-5 keyboard survival: xmodmap -e "keysym BackSpace = Delete"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: vern@athena.mit.edu (Vernon E Shrauger)
Subject: sendmail prob on SS2 w/SunOS4.1.1
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:31:17 GMT

Hi Folks,

I am trying to get mail service running.  I've setup sendmail.cf 
w/sendmail.main.cf and I am using sendmail.mx to take advantage of
DNS.  DNS is running properly w/NIS.  Mail can be sent to locations
specified in /etc/hosts (or corresponding NIS map) but fails when
DNS resolution is necessary.  Typical error
	Connecting to ddn-gateway via smartuucp...
	bad system name: ddn-gateway
	uux failed ( 68 )
Does anyone have any ideas?? Any help would be appreciated.

I can receive mail, but I can not send it from my Sun.

Thanx,
Vern Shrauger	vern@harrier.mit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: skn@engr.ucf.edu (Steve Nunez)
Subject: printer woes
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.admin, comp.unix.admin
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:21:00 GMT

To: All
Subject: Re: 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Cc: 
Bcc: 

Greetings fellow SA's!

We are having a problem here with the pcnfs program and printing. We are
using the Camaleon (sp?) program to connect PC's to our Sun, but are unable
to print. From what I gather from the docs, we need to specify a spooling
directory for print jobs, but a look at the source code revels that the
program (pcnfs) takes no args! Does anyone know the proper way to do this?

	- Steve Nunez
	nunez@aldrin.ksc.nasa.gov
From: at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: strange capacity numbers
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:51:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Help!
I've got a SPARC IPC running SunOS 4.1.1 in a 'diskfull' situtation 
When it boots up and does 'fsck' I get some pretty bizarre numbers
for the the % fragmentation. One partition has -4something % frag
mentation, where the something is THREE LINES LONG! Another one
has -Nan% fragmentation. When I do a 'df' most everything (in-
cluding stuff that's NFS mounted) has a -Inf% capacity, while
my swap partition has the -4something number. I can't run 
OpenWinderz on the thing, although sunview came up OK when
I was root. 

Does anyone know what's going on here? any suggestions?


dale
-- 
dale houston	dhouston@bio.ri.ccf.org		the cleveland
opinions are mine! (natch!)			clinic foundation
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:9870 comp.sys.sun.hardware:6595
From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: What? panic: mmu_getpmg
Date: 2 Jan 1993 13:17:12 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

I get this Sparc I that crashes every few days with this error.
panic: mmu_getpmg

I'm running 3 Sparc I's in dataless mode with Quantum 105's un 4.1.2.
I get hold of another Sparc I with identical drive. I take the Q105 out
of it, re-address it, stick it in one of the other 3 machines.  I format
the new drive and test it 8 times using compare.  Then I do a
dd if=/dev/rsd0c of=/dev/rsd1c to duplicate the drives. I mount the new drive
just long enough to change /etc/hostname.le0 and stick it back in the
#4 Sparc. It goes along a couple of days and crashes with this
error and a boot prompt. Turning it off, waiting 20 seconds, and rebooting
seems to bring it back up until it fails again a few days later.

So I say, maybe the dd was a bad idea. I repeat above with reformat, except
I use newfs & dump & restore to build the "a" partition. Same results, it only
works for a while. Do I have maybe a sporadic drive failure where swapping fails
and the systems crashes? Or is this more likely to be an actual motherboard
problem? I need to know what conditions could result in this error, and
what it means. Any clues?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: dial-in modem setup
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:44:53 GMT

envbvs@epb11.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith) writes:
: 
: My Sparc ELC's also don't have /etc/gettydefs and it is not in the man pages.
: What is the format for this file and who (which program) uses it?
: 
/etc/gettydefs is a Sys V.x beast and is used to control serial line
behavior. BSD derivatives do not have this file but typically use /etc/ttys
or, on the SUN, /etc/ttytab.

Anyway, gettydefs is a pretty good example of how System V systems 
management, though different from BSD, is generally superior - aka easier.

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: pat@gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan)
Subject: killing device wait process
Summary: dead process
Keywords: ps kill interrupt device
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:08:32 GMT


Is there any way to kill a process which is in an "non-interruptible"
device wait?  We have out own tape handling program which has
a few bugs in it.  At present, when it gets stuck in a device
wait, the only way to clear it it to reboot the system.  Here
is the line from "ps -aux":

andy    926  0.0  0.0  116    0 p2 IW   11:54   0:00 xar cvf /dev/nrst0 ./cou

We have already ruled out questions of permissions and such.
Even if root does "kill -9 <pid>", the process still hangs
around and the device remains "busy".  Even stranger is that
the "D" flag does not appear is the STAT line from ps.

This is a SPARC 2 running SunOS 4.1.1.  Any clues?

thanks,
pat

--
"I have a cunning plan." -- Baldric
                                                             patrick m. ryan
     nasa / goddard space flight center / oceans and ice branch / hughes stx
                     pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov / zmpmr@charney.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: running 4.1.3-compiled binaries under 4.1.1
Date: 31 Dec 1992 03:57:52 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1992Dec31.011848.1471@allegra.att.com> mp@allegra.att.com (Mark Plotnick) writes:
>Is there something that can be done to allow programs compiled on 4.1.3
>systems, using the bundled c compiler, to run on 4.1.1 systems?

I suggest you do all your compiles on one of the 4.1.1 systems, then you
won't have this problem.  But if you insist on living dangerously....

>Preferably, this should be done without requiring the users to take any
>special actions such as changing search paths or environment
>variables.  Also, users should still be able to compile and run
>programs on the (modified) 4.1.1 systems.  Presumably the newer
>lib*.s[ao]*'s need to be copied over; anything else?

Rather than copying the new shared libraries over, I suggest you just make
links to the old libraries with the names of the new ones.  The newer
libraries may expect some differences in system call interfaces that the
old kernel doesn't provide.  The links will suppress the warning messages
about old library versions.

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: elias@mvax.uakom.cs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: UFS_PUTPAGE HOLE
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:32:41 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of Automation and Communication

Hi !

I have SS2 with sunos 4.1.2 with 64 MB RAM. I added additional
swap space ( swapon /d1/swap ). Now the system crashes when I
run some application in OW 3.0 and writes :
Panic : UFS_PUTPAGE HOLE
This wasn't when I had only 32 MB.
Have you any idea how to fix it ?

Thanks a lot,

Lubos.Elias@uakom.cs




Newsgroups: comp.sys.pyramid
From: chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson)
Subject: Re: screwed up /etc/utmp file
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:09:30 GMT
Keywords: who /etc/utmp login

In article <davidm.724857220@nixtor> davidm@sni.ca (David Macklem) writes:
+---------------
| Further investigation has found that the /etc/.attutmp file has gotten
| corrupted, somehow.  There is no boot information and the 'who' command
| (among others reading the utmp file) no longer works.
| 
| Has anyone else seen this particular problem?  If so, how did you fix
| it?
+---------------
When I last saw that problem, it was due to a user compiling a program
that made entries in the utmp file.  The program was compiled under the
ucb universe, but run under the att universe.  The result was entries
being made at the wrong offsets in the .attutmp file.

I don't remember exactly what it was he compiled.  I seem to remember it
was something from the Free Software Foundation, which assumes only
Berzerkely worlds exist.  That is why he compiled under ucb, because it
"was easier", but he got the wrong /usr/include/sys/utmp.h file.

Have you or any of the users there been building programs from off the
net or outside your company?  That's where to start looking.

As an aside, once you notice who no longer works, you can recover with a
bit less drastic move than rebooting.  As root:

    cat /dev/null > /etc/.attutmp

Or, if you are even more ambitious, you can use a binary editor like
"bed" to fix the file...

+---------------
| Thanks.
+---------------
De Nada!

	-crl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pyramid
From: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie)
Subject: Re: screwed up /etc/utmp file
Keywords: who /etc/utmp login
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:55:17 GMT

chad@anasazi.com (Chad R. Larson) writes:

>In article <davidm.724857220@nixtor> davidm@sni.ca (David Macklem) writes:
>+---------------
>| Further investigation has found that the /etc/.attutmp file has gotten
>| corrupted, somehow.  There is no boot information and the 'who' command
>| (among others reading the utmp file) no longer works.
>| 
>| Has anyone else seen this particular problem?  If so, how did you fix
>| it?
>+---------------
>When I last saw that problem, it was due to a user compiling a program
>that made entries in the utmp file.  The program was compiled under the
>ucb universe, but run under the att universe.  The result was entries
>being made at the wrong offsets in the .attutmp file.

>I don't remember exactly what it was he compiled.  I seem to remember it
>was something from the Free Software Foundation, which assumes only
>Berzerkely worlds exist.  That is why he compiled under ucb, because it
>"was easier", but he got the wrong /usr/include/sys/utmp.h file.

>Have you or any of the users there been building programs from off the
>net or outside your company?  That's where to start looking.

>As an aside, once you notice who no longer works, you can recover with a
>bit less drastic move than rebooting.  As root:

>    cat /dev/null > /etc/.attutmp

>Or, if you are even more ambitious, you can use a binary editor like
>"bed" to fix the file...

>+---------------
>| Thanks.
>+---------------
>De Nada!

>	-crl


Most common cause is people who try and compile a xterm on the Pyramid.



-- 
Rob Logie                         | The opions expressed are mine alone and in
Telecom Australia ACN 051 775 556 | no-way reflect the views or policies of the
TNE Computer Support Services     | Australian and Overseas Telecommunications
EMAIL: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au| Corporation. "These are my opinions alone"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: gingell@rock.concert.net (Michael J Gingell -- Personal Account)
Subject: Re: HP95 remote
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:57:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.214733.21398@news.acns.nwu.edu> dish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Tony Goldish) writes:
>I see everyone posting about these programs to turn the HP95lx into a 
>universal remote control...but no mention of where to get these programs
>are they available through anonymous Ftp, and if so where...
>thanks in advance...I just might start doing enough things with this
>"toy" to make it worthwhile...now if I can just figure out how to export 
>files from it to Lotus Organizer for windows?

There are 3 programs + a partial one

1) myRemote - commercial Ace Technologies, $29.95 1-408-428-9722
2) remcom - sharware on Compuserve
3) ir95 - available on disc by mail only from Germany.
4) ir.asm demo source code ftp from eddie.mit.edu in distrib/hp95lx/doc

There are no complete working programs available by ftp (yet). ir95 may be
soon.

Mike
From: shri@unreal.cs.umass.edu (H.Shrikumar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Low battery warning on HP 95 with Millennium Batteries
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: shri@unreal.cs.umass.edu (H.Shrikumar)
Organization: UMass, Amherst MA + Temporal Sys & Computer Networks Bombay India

In article <lk4b0mINN2j7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:
> My experience seems to be that the hp95 has hysterisis so that once the
> low battery warning comes on, it won't go away  until the battery
> voltage goes above some higher (2.7 volts?) threshold.  Nicads don't

True ... its 2.5 v, but the hp95lx caliberation is not too correct
always, so sometimes the nicads dont trip the high water mark.

Millenium NIcads if fast charged on their 3 hour charger come
out a just a little warm and are 2.8v for a few tens of minutes of
use. That trips my low batt off.

-- shrikumar ( shri@legato.cs.umass.edu )

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: fritzj@gauss.ecn.purdue.edu (Fritz Friedlaender)
Subject: Re: Low battery warning on HP 95 with Millennium Batteries
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 13:49:59 GMT

The following batch file will reset the low battery warning - it will
stay off only if main batteries are above warning level.
c:\_sys\debug < set
The file "set" must be in same directory as the batch file and
contains the following two lines:
e 40:c8 00
q

The above procedure makes the use of NiCads a little simpler. The low
battery warning in my HP95LX triggers at such a high voltage that
the use of NiCads is perfectly safe - in fact, I can use them for
some time after the warning goes off, carefully monitoring my
battery voltage with 95BUDDY or such (battck.com, or any program with
3 digit resolution is more reliable for checking battery voltage, even
though the last digit is only "approximate").
FJF
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jrh@jrh.uucp (James R. Hamilton)
Subject: IR95 is excellent
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 01:46:52 GMT
Organization: private system, Toronto, Ontario

In article <1992Dec31.233554.14701@Princeton.EDU> fuchs@tsar.princeton.edu writes:
>
>Quite so. Just do a binary download of inbound/ir95.zip.

    I just finished installing and setting up IR95 (it now drives 2 CD
    players, 2 VCRs and a TV) and it is absolutely amazing.  Its easy to
    install, easy to use, looks great, etc., etc. Strongly Recommended.  

    Thanks to Gilles Kohl for writing IR95 and contributing it to the
    net and to Ira Fuchs for putting it up on the ftp server.

                        --jrh
-- 

James R. Hamilton                               inet: jrh@jrh.guild.org
telephone: +1 416 493 4162                      uunet: ...!uunet!jrh!jrh
Toronto, Canada                                 work: jrh@torolab.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: edp@bsdbld.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Derive for Sale
Reply-To: edp@bsdbld.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: us,usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:04:17 GMT

I am selling Derive V2.0 for $100, shipping included (within the United
States).  Derive is a symbolic math package (algebra, calculus, smart
reductions and expression manipulation, exact arithmetic, and more).  I
upgraded to V2.5 and don't need V2.0 anymore.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@rusure.enet.dec.com
From: wse@helios.dfci.harvard.edu (William Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Low battery warning on HP 95 with Millennium Batteries
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:11:52
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.dfci.harvard.edu

I seem to be getting this spuriously with several sets of Millennium A
batteries--funny thing is that the battery graph under Setup shows the
batteries as being at least at 50%.  Also, the low battery warning
goes away when I press a key.  Has anybody else seen this?  Please
respond by email, and I will summarize.  Thanks. -- Bill Edwards
--
-- Bill Edwards, Senior Systems Analyst
   Dana Farber Cancer Institute; Div. of Biostatistics
   440 Brookline Ave. Rm. M3A20, Boston MA 02115 USA
  (617) 632-3035; wse@jimmy.harvard.edu; wse@harvjmmy.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops