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From: papresco@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD (long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:44:11 GMT

>Define "user friendly". Aren't the people who like vi users too?

They are users.  And important users.  And they shouldn't be neglected.  I'm
sure vi is small enough that it can be included with every version of unix
until time ends, just like dos' EDLIN.  But there should be an alternative,
and not emacs.  An easy to use, friendly alternative.  That alternative should
come on every unix system.  It should be powerful and configurable.  

Let's face it: unix users are users too.  But they are a miniscule subset of 
the number of people who COULD be using unix.  Not only instead of DOS and
Windows, but instead of not using computers at all.  A powerful, compatible,
scalable, layered unix could make more people less afraid of computers then
the plethora of incompatibilities we have now.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:02:28 GMT

In <1992Nov14.133214.1004@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:

>>peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
>>>dmcquaid@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (Devin McQuaid) writes:

>>>>>Where can I get toll-free support for Linux?
>>>>comp.os.linux
>>>>you won't get an answer in 20 min. but you will get your answer
>>>USENET costs $$$ too. And administration.

>>	That's a dumb response--so does a phone. The support itself is free,
>>which is what was initially asked for. Any kind of free support, be it via
>>phone, mail, or net account, will cost something to access.

>Well, that's the point, here you need a modem (which implies a phone
>connection) and possibly long distance calls to get comp.os.linux (the USENET
>provider in Holland doesn't have a toll free number). You can't get c.o.l when
>you need it, you have to poll every day.

>Besides whom you're gonna call to setup UUCP and USENET? The gostbusters? ;-)



You want phone # or mail addres for linux ? Here's an example (taken from 
comp.os.linux today ):

-----
From: BARRY TITMARSH <BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: SLS on Disk in Germany !

Appaling!!
I live in Germany DARMSTADT
My address is B. Titmarsh  Im Niderfeld 10  W-6100 Darmstadt

This week alone i have dispached 900 disks to 30 users
last week i did the same
I distrubute this CODE as FREE no charge!!
all i ask is that i have the disks sent to my home address with return post
paid in stamps.  Nothing more..
GNU software is FREE is it not ?

Barry...
B.Titmars  Im Niderfeld 10  W-6100 Darmstadt Germany..
mail me your disks ill copy them for FREE.

-----
From: Michael_Kraehe@hb.maus.de (Michael Kraehe)
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)

 > Linux SLS 0.98 will soon be available as 20 Disks (a1-a4,b1-b5,c1-c4,x1-x7)
 > from eMedia in Hannover for 99.- DM

everbody who lives in Bremen can get it without paying :-) Talk to 04204/1497

Tschaui Michael.
-----

From: mykee@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marco Scheibe)
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany

> everbody who lives in Bremen can get it without paying :-) Talk to 04204/1497

I offer the same service for Berlin -- talk to (030)4017848 (answering machine)
or send me Email.



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From: als@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:55:25 GMT

martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) writes:

>In article <0105002B.ibrvd6@digtype.airage.com> jeff@digtype.airage.com writes:
>>Sun has also put their full documentation on CD-ROM--it's called Answerbook.
>>It includes Postscript versions of all of the standard man pages,
>>plus the full paper documentation set (normally 8 or so volumes weighing
>>in at 80 or so pounds!). I also have hardware and configuration manuals
>>for most of the desktop systems. It completely fills a 600 meg CD.

>First, I completely agree with Jeff's enthusiasm for this system.  It is good
>and probably is the wave of the future.  I do have one gripe, however.
>As I have said, in other postings, Postscript is a half-finished job until
>somebody comes up with a method for converting it back into standard ASCII
>text like the lines you are reading, now.  The windows-oriented approach is
>totally useless for those of us who are blind and use speech synthesizers.
>We were able to cobble together a small C program to strip out all that
>Postscript language and display a completely deformatted stream of data.
>It beats nothing, though not by much.  I would love to help fix this problem,
>but I need to find a document explaining Postscript in electronic form so
>I can read it and figure out how to tackle this beast.

You have the wrong end of the stick.  Postscript is for describing the visual
appearance on a page.  To try to convert it back to unformatted text strikes me
conceptually as being a bit absurd.

To help you you want the documentation supplied in a format-independent way
such as SGML.  SGML describes the information and structure of the document
without being tied to some particular output device.  Then the hypertext links
will be explicit and you can have a voice operated navigation system.
High-end documentation systems such as Framemaker and Interleaf deal with SGML
these days so it should all be technically feasible.

-- 
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CP Software Export Pty Ltd,      Before you are six or seven or eight,
19 Cato St., East Hawthorn,      To hate all the people your relatives hate,
Melbourne, Australia, 3121       You've got to be carefully taught."  R&H
From: jenkirj@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Posix Documentation?
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:46:42 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone know where I can find some easily available information
on open VMS POSIX?  

I would like to be able to FTP it or something like that since my
budget won't expand for much expense?

I have found that it is pretty interesting, but that there are alot of
things that are weird about it, so I would like some reading material! 
I guess, I want to find out if our implementation is just weird, or if
I just don't have any idea what is going on....

Thanks,
Rocky
jenkirj@WKUVX1.BITNET
WKURJENK@UKCC.UKY.EDU
From: swispl@solomon.technet.sg (SW International)
Subject: Question: How to get comd line arg of processes
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:04:29 GMT



I'm writing a C program which needs to obtain the command line
arguments of other running processes. Actually, 'ps -af' does
the job quite nicely, but due to other constraints, I need to
incorporate that function within my program.

I've not done much system programming before. Please advise if
you know how it can be achieved and the pitfalls I need to watch
out.

Thanks.
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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:14:54 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

>>Why not make unix easy enough to install
>>that you don't have to do either?  

>Several people have pointed out that installing UNIX was easy.

*SOME* UNIXes, that's right.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: Mixing Unix \w TCPIP & Novell on the same network?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:57:53 GMT

allanon@sdf.lonestar.org (Kenneth Leung) writes:

>I have a question about mixing Novell servers & Unix Servers on the same
>network.

>Configuration : 1 SUN Sparc Server, 10 SCO Unix servers, 20 DOS PCs running
>		different TCP/IP Software such as FTP Software's PCTCP,
>		SUN NFS, ICE TCP & Chameleon TCP, over a Cabletron Ethernet
>		network.  The DOS PC runs telnet to different Unix machines
>		for different applications such as accounting or product
>		development.


>Now Management wants to put a Novell server in to the network and allow DOS
>users to access both Unix resources and Novell resources.  I am not too 
>familiar with Novell and how to mix it in with the TCP/IP network I am 
>currently running.  

>Can I run dual protocols on the DOS PC to access both Unix and Novell?
>Can I use Unix or Novell to gateway between one another?  Any
>info would be helpful.

You can use clarkson(crywn) packet drivers and NCSA/Clarkson telnet/ftp. and
rung IPX and  Net(3/4/5/X/ems/xms), but most people are moving to odi and
yuou could run Lan workplace for Dos/groups which has NW connectivity and tcp/ip
support.

In anycase, PCTCP runs with these.  I also believe wollongong ddoes.  I'm
not familiar with ICE.  But SUN NFS has problems, better to move to odi if you
are going todo NFS and NW.       

You might try posting to comp.sys.novell also.


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From: rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian)
Subject: Re: How do I get a particualr line of a file?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:59:43 GMT

In article <pec2.722467852@Isis.MsState.Edu> pec2@ra.msstate.edu (Paul E. Carroll) writes:
>This seems extremely simple, but I've run into the problem several times
>and gotten stumped each time.  So how do I view a particualr line of a 
>file?  Head looks at the top, tail the end, cat - echo - more - or less-
>look at the whole thing... but what if I want to see just line 30?
>or JUST line 210?  I'm stumped.

To print line 30:
sed -n 30p filename

To print lines 30 to 35:
sed -n 30,35p filename

--
Rouben Rostamian
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:06:34 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith) writes:

>Hey, I hope NT kicks the Unix vendors into a sudden spirit of mass
>cooperation.

And I hope that the above happens before NT really hits the market!

>were so hard to use.  He was implying that there shouldn't be User Groups;
>saying that "you don't see Washing Machine User Groups".

That's nonsense. But, IMHO, you shouldn't make computers harder to use than
necessary.

>	Anyways, I'll get off my "stop expecting them to be toasters
>anytime soon" soapbox.  I think Unix gets singled out quite a bit
>on this one.  A lot of it comes from its sheer power and flexibilty.
>It overwhelms the "learn barely enough to get by" mentality.

Good point. No system can satisfy the "learn barely enough to get by"
mentality. But, it doesn't need to be harder than necessary.

Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:13908 comp.sources.wanted:5151 ca.unix:24
From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.sources.wanted,ca.unix
Subject: 3B2 boot floppy needed
Keywords: 3B2, boot floppy
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:13:03 GMT
Reply-To: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Followup-To: haral@unisol.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSolutions Associates, Redondo Beach, CA

I need to revive an old 3B2/300, however I cannot boot from the hard disk
due to SYSTEM FAILURE messages.  Can anyone lend me a boot floppy that I
can use to re-boot this machine?


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  Voice: (310) 542-0068,  Fax: (310) 370-4024,  E-mail: haral@unisol.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: What full-screen file managers are there?
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:35:49 GMT

mandel@litp.ibp.fr (Arnaldo MANDEL) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.223340.15353@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:

>> In article <1e4mbcINN1kh@crcnis1.unl.edu> pkramer@unlinfo.unl.edu (Paul Kramer) writes:
>> =Hello,
>> =
>> =I found while reading articles in this electronic conference, a 
>> =reference to a public-domain program called utree.  It is full-screen 
>> =file manager which allows you to perform file functions with single 
>> =keystrokes.  For example, after I start the program I see a screen 
>> =that lists the files on my account.  If I want to delete one of those 
>> =files I move the cursor on top of it, press a certain key.  Boom it 
>> =gone!  
>> =
>> =Well I am wondering:  Is there anything better than utree?  I am aware
>> =of a program called 'maint' but it doesn't have the full functionality
>> =of 'utree'.

>> I prefer HDSCAN.

>Better go all the way and get emacs, with tree-dired.  You not only get all
>funtions most file managers execute, but you can add some of your own.  And
>then, this would be just the beginning of using emacs for almost everything,
>instead of hundreds of little frozen utilities.
>--
>............................................................
>Arnaldo Mandel   ---  am@ime.usp.br
>Temporarily: mandel@litp.ibp.fr

If you are going to install emacs and you have X-terminals, also think
about epoch. I just installed it today, and it's great!
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with select() ?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:33:58 GMT

bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) writes:

>In <pat.722210144@bcserv> pat@bcserv.wustl.edu (Niemeyer (Pat)) writes:

>>	got = select (1, &fdset, NULL, NULL, &timeout);

>From select(2):

>	  nfound = select(nfds,	readfds, writefds, exceptfds, timeout)
>...
>	  The first nfds descriptors are checked in
>	  each set; i.e. the descriptors from 0 through nfds-1 in the
>	  descriptor sets are examined.

>This means that if you want to check fd 6 with select(2) the first
>parameter has to be at least 6.

7

Casper
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: mjl@bos.locus.com (Mike Leibensperger)
Subject: Re: BIG IMPORTANT QUESTION PLEEEEZE HELP ME!!!!!
Organization: Locus Computing Corp., Boston Massachusetts USA.
	<1992Nov13.033923.872@wixer.cactus.org> <Bxq5x7.L2p@unix.amherst.edu>
	<Bxq9zu.J6o@cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:12:51 GMT


   In article <Bxq5x7.L2p@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
   (Tim Pierce) writes:

   >My car's making a funny noise somewhere under the hood.  It's one of
   >these cheapo models, though, and it doesn't have pull-down help from
   >under the visor available!!!  Can anyone tell me what it's doing
   >wrong!!!!

Hey Tim!  I think I know what you're (*smirk*) DRIVING at!!!  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)

Listen up, gang!  Tim thinks maybe if you Read The Fine Manual you
might fair better with some of these questions!!!  What a Fine idea!
Or, as we net.czars say, WAFI!

In article <Bxq9zu.J6o@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve
Franklin) writes:

   Wrong group Timbo... This is comp.unix.questions, not 
   comp.eunuchs.questions. Try again, and this time read your damn warning
   when you post (are you REALLY REALLY sure you wanna do this?)
      steve

Hey Steve-a-rino!  Maybe your fine manual is floating up in the air,
near the AC duct in the ceiling!  You'll have to (*smirk*) LIGHTEN UP
if you want to grab it and read it!

	Too wise for his own good,
	mjl
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From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's date? (Utility?)
Organization: Unix in NYC
Distribution: comp.unix.shell
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:33:05 GMT
Keywords: date utility

In article <1992Nov16.231545.10656@cheshire.oxy.edu> legend@cheshire.oxy.edu (Linda A. Malcor) writes:
>I'm looking for a (standard) unix utility that can tell me what tommorow's
>date is (as well as the date 15hrs in the future/past, etc.). Any ideas?
>Date math is so common, I'd just like to avoid reinventing the wheel.

You can fake this by offsetting the TZ variable( -24 hours for one more day
east of UTC ).

$ echo $TZ
EST5EDT
$ date
Thu Nov 19 00:29:18 EST 1992
$ TZ=EST-29EDT date
Fri Nov 20 00:30:37 EST 1992
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: It ain't a 24x80 world anymore. Or is it?
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:09:38 GMT

In article <lux.722129357@sol.UVic.CA>, 
lux@sol.UVic.CA (Michael O'Henly) writes:
|>     A few days ago I posted a query about how to increase the number
|> of rows displayed in a terminal window so that 'full-screen' commands
|> like emacs could make use 35 lines instead of the usual 24.
|> 
|>     I got some responses that suggested "stty rows 35" or "setenv
|> LINES 35". I've tried both and, while they do alter the terminal's
|> behaviour, they don't give me a 35-line screen. What I'm getting looks
|> like this: lines 1-24 after a screen-clear display correctly, but
|> lines 25-35 pile up on top of each other on the 24th line.
|> 
|>     So maybe I didn't ask the right question. What I'm trying to do is
|> make the best use of my laptop screen when I dial into my machine
|> using a modem and terminal emulator. Does the fact that I'm dialing in
|> make a difference? I'm sure there _must_ be a way of working with more
|> than a 24x80 display under these circumstances.

I use SunOS 4.1.1 and I mention that only because it reflects the
curses that I use. When I use an xterm window it sets the TERMCAP
environment variable to the value stored in the terminfo database but
with the #li and #co values set to the correct size. tcsh updates this
whenever it receives the window has changed size signal (SIGWINCH). I
think that the problem with setting LINES is that you are telling the
program how long the screen is but curses still believes that it is 24.
I suggest therefore that you set your TERMCAP variable to suit, the
resize program in the X11 release may be of some use, at least as a
starting point.

-- 

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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:19:43 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <Bxw4JJ.HzC@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>....OS/2, Windows, DOS etc. have PROVED that you don't
>>have to be a system administrator to install an OS.

>That's not true.  They've proved that you don't have to be a system
>administrator to install OS/2, Windows, or DOS.  The fact that some
>operating systems install easily doesn't mean that they all can or
>should.

Why can one system be easy while another can't? I don't see a reason (mind you,
we're talking about low-end systems targeted for the user market). I can see
that it is acceptable that an operating system for a large computer is hard to
install. But in general, I can't see any technical reason why installation
should be hard.
From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How do I get a particualr line of a file?
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:02:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <pec2.722467852@Isis.MsState.Edu> pec2@ra.msstate.edu (Paul E. Carroll) writes:
%This seems extremely simple, but I've run into the problem several times
%and gotten stumped each time.  So how do I view a particualr line of a 
%file?  Head looks at the top, tail the end, cat - echo - more - or less-
%look at the whole thing... but what if I want to see just line 30?
%or JUST line 210?  I'm stumped.

Have a look at the manual for awk...

Specifically, you'd want

awk '{if (NR == line) print}' line=linenumber filename

Where linenumber is the line you want, and filename is the file you're looking
at. eg. 

>awk '{if (NR == line) print}' line=5000 /usr/dict/words
concrete


Cheers,
Jason
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From: allanon@sdf.lonestar.org (Kenneth Leung)
Subject: Mixing Unix \w TCPIP & Novell on the same network?
Summary:  Unix Novell TCP/IP
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:27:43 GMT

I have a question about mixing Novell servers & Unix Servers on the same
network.

Configuration : 1 SUN Sparc Server, 10 SCO Unix servers, 20 DOS PCs running
		different TCP/IP Software such as FTP Software's PCTCP,
		SUN NFS, ICE TCP & Chameleon TCP, over a Cabletron Ethernet
		network.  The DOS PC runs telnet to different Unix machines
		for different applications such as accounting or product
		development.


Now Management wants to put a Novell server in to the network and allow DOS
users to access both Unix resources and Novell resources.  I am not too 
familiar with Novell and how to mix it in with the TCP/IP network I am 
currently running.  

Can I run dual protocols on the DOS PC to access both Unix and Novell?
Can I use Unix or Novell to gateway between one another?  Any
info would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.


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