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From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: RE: funny but deadly
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:10:25 GMT

|In Article 5519, francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo) writes:
|<stuff deleted>
                                  
T'were apples and oranges but both reflect Filipinos' way of
thinking and sentiments with regards to accepting wrongdoings.
Some choose to confront and elevate problems, some choose to
not forget and keep on rubbing the mistakes of others while
being blind on the mistakes of another, etc.

I understand the whole point from the start but thank you very
much for expressing your concise view in your post.  I too am
pro-legalization of CPP or any party for that matter that would
enable people under it to participate and be involve with the
problems and corresponding solutions of our nation without
going thru back-stabbing, coup d'etat, insurgencies, etc.
Being on a conservative side as I am, I have my hesitations
to be putting innocent 'common' people thru experimentations
(impossible property demands, further terrorisms, etc., who knows 
what they are really up to) at a *legalized* state using them as 
guinea pigs then if the government won't later on be able to 
control it, go through martial law - before you know it, the 
Philippines is back at the bottom of the stack (start).  I know
this is something new and Filipinos do need to grow up too on
their political education and open-mindedness and I do pray
it is for the better and that there won't be taking advantages
of anybody.

As for the Marcos burial, I believe the government agreed with
Imelda's request on this just to get things over and done with.
As for the slap on people's principles and real national heroes' and
heroins' faces for putting somebody the least deserving in their
pedestal on same level with them even after all the wrongs he
did - sometimes, I do not let the past (specifically, if it were bad)
control the future before me.

-Marida








From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:22:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Why PI ?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino

/ hpspdla:soc.culture.filipino / cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab) /  5:52 am  Aug 19, 1992 /


      Why is it that many of us still call our country PI ? Di ba 
  Republic of the Philippines dapat ? 



  ***********************************************************************
    Oh pag-ibig pagpasok sa puso ninuman, hahamakin ang lahat makamit
    ka lamang.
  ***********************************************************************
That goes back when ZZZZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Homeward Bound (My Country - Right or Wrong)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:50:40 GMT


      A little addendum to those sincere opinions  on  going
 back to the Philippines:

      There is plenty to enjoy in our native  homeland,  and
 one  thing  I  really  miss  today is the great camaraderie
 during our boyhood times.

      The Philippines, it is still  OUR  country,  right  or
 wrong.

      My kudos to the  posters  who  have  articulated  this
 subject to an emotional, as well as cerebral level.

                                              -TEG

 P.S.  Someone might have posted previously the complete
       lyrics of 'BAYAN KO'.  Could you please EM, or
       post again?  Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle)
Subject: Status of Mt. Pinatubo Eruption?
Summary: What is Happening at Mt. Pinatubo
Keywords: volcano,volcanic,"volcanic sunset"
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:28 GMT

About a month ago there were news stories that the Mt. Pinatubo
volcano was erupting once again.  About 3 or 4 weeks ago I observed
beautiful, possibly volcanic-induced, sunsets during two consecutive
evenings from Maryland in USA.

Last year's eruption produced magnificent sunsets in the late summer
and fall, as the ash and sulphuric acid aerosols blanketed the Earth.
Even when the sun was above the horizon the ripply clouds produced
by the volcano were visible in the general direction of the sun.

Assuming Pinatubo re-erupted recently, how does the amount of material
released into the atmosphere compare with last year's eruption?

-- Curt Roelle		roelle@sigi.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Olympics -- Phil Results - boxing
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: umich
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:34:35 GMT

In <aPb-=_+@engin.umich.edu> juro@med.umich.edu (Justine Leon Uro) writes:

>You are right.  Taekwondo was one of the demonstration sports (Pelota and Roller 
>Hockey were the other two).

Pare naman, indicate if you are serious or just kidding. I almost believed that
the Philippines would have sent a larger team if it was for .... PELOTA!
From: albert@AMS.SUNYSB.EDU (Jose Albert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: ERAPJOKE
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:17:28 GMT

Sorry, I can not translate this joke adequately into English.

******************************************************

Kumatok si Francisco "Balagtas" Baltazar sa pintuan ng langit.  
San Pedro: "sino iyan?" 
Balagtas : "si Balagtas po."
San Pedro: "paano ko malalaman na ikaw nga si Balagtas?"
Balagtas : "pag-ibig anaki'y aking nakilala,
	    di dapat palakihin ang bata sa saya
	    at sa katuwa'y kapag namihasa
	    kung lumaki'y walang hihinting ginhawa.
	    
	    sapagka't ang mundo'y bayan ng hinagpis 
	    mamamaya'y sukat tibayan ang dibdib..."
San Pedro: "o sigue, tama na, ikaw nga si Balagtas."


Makaraan ang ilang daang taon, dumating naman si Jose Rizal at
siya rin ay kumatok.
San Pedro: "sino iyan?" 
Balagtas : "si Rizal po."
San Pedro: "paano ko malalaman na ikaw nga si Rizal?"
Sinabi ni Rizal ang mga diyalago sa ilang mga kabanata ng Noli at Fili.  
San Pedro: "o sigue, tama na, ikaw nga si Rizal."



Isang daang taon mula noong pagkadating ni Balagtas at Rizal, dating
naman ang kagiting-giting na Joseph "Erap Estrada" Ejercito.
San Pedro: "sino iyan?"
Erap     : "si Erap po."
San Pedro: "paano ko malalaman na ikaw nga si Erap"
Erap     : "ano pong ibig ninyo sabihin?"
San Pedro: "noong dumating si Balagtas, siya'y tumula.  noong
	    dumating si Rizal, sinabi ninya sa akin ang mga 
	    kasaysayan sa kanyang Noli at Fili."
Erap     :  (nag-isip ng malalim ..... )


	    Eh, sino po ba sila ?
San Pedro:  Ahh.. ikaw nga si Erap.  Pasok!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: RE: Homeward Bound
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:15:37 GMT




Maraming nasisilaw sa kayamanan ng Amerika.
Marami ring hindi kayang bilhin ng kayamanan ng Amerika.

-Marida
From: carolina@rey.austin.ibm.com (Rey G. Carolina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Ilonggo
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:29:51 GMT
Reply-To: carolina@rey.austin.ibm.com
Organization: RISC System/6000 Systems Engineering

In article <1992Aug14.180220.5773@tamsun.tamu.edu>, malcolm@cs.tamu.edu (Nick Malcolm) writes:
Dear s.c.f. readers,

... stuff deleted........

Also, does anybody know if Tagalog tapes or (hopefully) CDs are
available in the US?  I wanted to get some of Joey Ayala's music.

Thanks,

Nick

email: malcolm@cs.tamu.edu

--
.. Yes, call Gloria Houk at (512)-251-0367. She also rents new Filipino
   movies.
                                                 Rey G. Carolina
              

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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: HOME-BOUND
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:03:38 GMT

In <22965@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero) writes:

>As a Filipino who left 20 years ago and stayed, I have to take exceptions
>to your comments.  I don't think it is a question of "colonial thinking"
>that drives many filipinos to seek better fortunes elsewhere. I don't
>even think it's as complicated as that.  The simple reason is that
>opportunities exist elsewhere...so what's wrong with going to where it is.

I was just waiting for someone to give a "contra" reply to the discussion of
homeward-bound Filipinos. To add my two cents worth to this discussion, I
personally think that one major reason why I don't like to go back home (at
least up to this time) is because there isn't any *real* justice at all
back home. I think that no matter how right or correct or decent your thoughts/
actions/words are, you're facing an uphill battle if you're up against a person
or group more powerful than you. I guess the reigns of power are in the wrong
hands, and you can't expect justice to take it's due course this way.

Because of the lack of justice, you'll have to play the game the way they do -
connections, lagay, sip-sip, etc. What about the bright and educated guy with
a clean conscience who refuses to play these rules because of principle ? No
doubt they find it unfair. And perhaps that's what attracts them to other
places of opportunities where they can strike it successfully on the merits of
their talents alone.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.Com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Legalization Of The CPP Is Good
Originator: tjehl@mirage
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:43:33 GMT


In article <16ki9gINN6qs@agate.berkeley.edu>, tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine) writes:
|> 
|> 	I believe is was in "R.P vs Lava" case that the Phil
|> SC held that you cannot be charged with "rebellion"/"sedition"
|> and "illegal possession of firearms" at the same time. The
|> logic being that when an individual decides to engage in
|> rebellious activity, it is a matter of course, that arms are
|> borne, stored, used, stolen or purchased. Of course, you
|> have to have arms to rebel.
|> 	But the curious thing is that "illegal possession of
|> firearms" carries with it stiffer penalties than "rebellion 
|> or sedition" which are really political offenses.
|> 	 As soon, as political amnesty is declared, all
|> political prisoners should go FREE. Prisoners charged with
|> criminal offenses UNRELATED to rebellion/sedition/conspiracy
|> like "rape, etc" should be given due process right away.
|> 
   The obvious move, given these conditions, is to not charge people
with rebellion or sedition when there are other available causes.
In the US, many gangsters (and I am NOT attempting to compare the
rebels with gangsters, but to show what clever use of the legal
system can accomplish) were put away not because there was proof
that they killed or stole, but because the government could prove
that they had some income that they hadn't paid tax on.

|> 	Though way, way overdue, the legalization of the CPP
|> will finally assure the left that the incumbent regime is
|> serious about peace. It will encourage many sincere and patriotic
|> people, though misled, to come forward and contribute towards
|> a better society. First, legalize the CPP and all its organizations,
|> then a full amnesty for political offenses.
|> 	If this bill passes through Congress, the Left will have
|> to show their sincerity by not making unreasonable demands (like
|> they did in 1985-86) where they asked for complete land reform,
|> nationalization of industries, etc which could not and cannot
|> be implemented.
|> 	They will have to achieve their goals by the open, democratic 
|> process.
|> 
|> 	What do you think  ?
|> 
|> tito

   Absolutely.  A truly free society has no fear of opposing view points.
It must, of course, oppose any attempt to use force to implement views
not mandated by the populace.  This opposition applies both to opposing
corruption in government and totalitarian rule, but must also be used
to prevent rebellious acts which do not have the mandate of the people.
   It seems to me that the ideas of land reform, etc., should be brought
into an open forum in the political arena, and have the merits and problems
discussed in a rational manner, and then allow the democratic process
determine the course of the Philippine nation.

Tim
From: cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Babalik ka rin
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:52:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article 6063>>From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) writes


>There is still hope and who cares if it is more difficult.
>I'll take the challenge again...anytime hopefully, soon.
>
>-Marida


      Saludo ako sa iyo Marida. Totoo kahit anong hirap sa atin basta
masaya ka, who cares. After 19 years in this Country and had recently took 
a month vacation in Pinas, I could not express how happy I was. A month
vacation is too short for me.

      Although we enjoy all the luxuries of life living here, hindi naman
matapos tapos ang bayaran ng mga bills. Ang mabuhay dito ay kakambal ang
pagbabayad ng mga utang. Nandiyan ang Credit Card, Mortgages, utilities,
Kotse, taxes, at marami pa. Kaya yata maraming namamatay dito sa heart
attack ay dahil sa stress, lalo na ngayon na ang Economy ay hindi maganda.
10 million unemployed ? This is bad.

      I myself is planning to live a permanent life sa Pinas in the near 
future. Samantalang marami sa atin ay gusto ng bumalik sa atin marami pa
rin ang sa atin ay gustong pumunta rito. Wala ng jobs dito sa Amerika.
mga compania dito ay dinadala na nila ang kanilang manufacturing sa
ibang Bansa. Hindi magtatagal ang mga Amerikano ay mag-a-abroad na rin
para maghanap buhay.



  Willie



****************************************************************************
  Saan ba mala-laglag ang dahon kung hindi sa Puno rin.

****************************************************************************
From: hm514600@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Henry Manguerra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Homeward Bound (My Country - Right or Wrong)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:11:11 GMT
Reply-To: greg@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

While each of us has his/her own priorities, let us 
be reminded that we have a greater responsibility to
our country.  If we care to be a filipino, and I hope 
everybody does, then it is just right that our actions
be guided by a more noble cause which is to preserve
the tradition (and the decent existence) of the 
filipino race (PILI-LIPI-PINO).  Of course, from time 
to time, we may stumble down, trudge the wrong path
in our search for a better life, but I am confident
in the filipino resiliency, and we are going to find
our road back. For us Filipinos in a borrowed land,
what a more fitting action is for us to go back home.
It doesnt to be right away, we may stay a little
longer, meet our immediate needs, and enjoy the life
whatever it offers in a foreign land.  But let us make
sure that beyond, BABALIK RIN TAYO.

Opportunities are few in the Philippines, but it will
be much fewer for our country;s children if we dont go
back and help create these opportunities.  This is
the greatest PASALUBONG that we can offer to our countrymen.
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Phil Prepares to Negotiate with Westinghouse Over A-plant
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:10:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA (UPI) -- President Fidel Ramos named former senator Vicente
Paterno Wednesday to lead the Philippine side in talks with Westinghouse
aimed at finalizing an out-of-court settlement over a mothballed nuclear
power plant.
	Paterno told reporters the negotiations would be held in Manila next
week, with discussion limited to terms of a preliminary agreement
reached by the two sides in March.
	Pittsburgh-based Westinghouse built a nuclear plant on the
Philippine's Bataan Island during during the regime of former dictator
Ferdinand Marcos.
	But after Marcos was ousted in a 1986 revolt, his successor, Corazon
Aquino, mothballed plant, claiming it was substandard.
	In 1988, Manila sued Westinghouse and Burns and Roe Enterprises Inc.,
a New Jersey Engineering firm, alleging the firms bribed Philippine
officials to get a contract to build the plant, which is in Bataan
province just west of the capital.
	But a U.S. court threw out most of the charges, citing insufficient
evidence.
	Aquino agreed in March to a settlement, whereby Westinghouse would
upgrade the plant by 1995, and run it for 30 years while selling
electricity to the government at a reduced rate.
	However, most of the money for upgrading of the plant will come from
a $325 million loan the U.S. Export-Import Bank has made to the
Philippines.
	That deal came under fire from Manila lawmakers, who charged it was
unfair.
	Soon after taking power June 30, the Ramos government pledged to try
to negotiate better terms with Westinghouse.
	Any agreement that comes out of talks between Manila and Westinghouse
is subject to Philippine congressional review.
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Erap Arrests Majors Pring and Zarcal
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:55:29 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <86450@netnews.upenn.edu> news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System) writes:
>
	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The head of a police anti-kidnapping task
-    force and a former police officer were arrested Monday for alleged
-    involvement in the crime they were ordered to prevent.
-	The country's chief crimebuster, Vice President Joseph Estrada,
-    arrested police Maj. Jose Pring and Maj. Timoteo Zarcal, a former police
                           ^^^^^
-    investigator.


  A multi-decorated & multi-awarded polic officer, involved in kidnapping?
They even made a movie based on Pring's life.  Talk about clay feet!  This is
unbelievable.  First Tito and Tagalog. Now Pring and kidnapping! B-)
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Judge Muro to be Charged with Incompetence
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:07:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The government is preparing charges
against a Manila judge who dismissed 11 currency cases against former
first lady Imelda Marcos, accusing him of ``gross ignorance'' of the
law, officials said Wednesday.
	Justice Secretary Franklin Drilon said state lawyers would file an
administrative case next week against Judge Manuel Muro asking the
Supreme Court to stop him from hearing the charges.
	Muro threw out the 11 charges last week after President Fidel Ramos
ordered the lifting of foreign exchange restrictions in the country,
saying the government's move had nullified the law Mrs. Marcos allegedly
violated.
	The widow of ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos has been accused of
violating a law which required Filipinos to seek Central Bank approval
before opening bank accounts abroad.
	Drilon slammed Muro's ``precipitate dismissal'' of the cases, saying
the deregulation of foreign exchange was not yet in effect because the
Central Bank has not yet formally issued a circular on the matter.
	Muro, however, has said that Ramos' announcement was published in two
national newspapers.
	``It is not on the matter of whether he (Muro) was correct in point
of law in having dismissed these cases, but it is the procedure that he
adopted which shows his gross ignorance,'' Drilon said.
	Drilon said Ramos merely announced the removal of the foreign
exchange regulations but the law would take effect only on Sept. 1. He
also said the law would have no retroactive effect.
	Three other currency cases against Mrs. Marcos have been thrown out
on a technicality by another judge.
	The former first lady, who lost in her bid for the presidency in the
May 11 elections, faces more than 80 cases for her alleged role in the
plunder of up to $5 billion from the country during her husband's 20-
year rule.
	Marcos was forced out of power by a popular revolt in 1986. He died
in Hawaii in 1989.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: RE:Babalik ka rin
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:36:37 GMT


|In article 6063>>Fromm: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) writes:
|<stuff deleted>
||In Article 5543, cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab) writes:
||< stuff deleted >
||       Although we enjoy all the luxuries of life living here, hindi naman
||matapos tapos ang bayaran ng mga bills. Ang mabuhay dito ay kakambal ang
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
||pagbabayad ng mga utang. Nandiyan ang Credit Card, Mortgages, utilities,
||Kotse, taxes, at marami pa. Kaya yata maraming namamatay dito sa heart
||attack ay dahil sa stress, lalo na ngayon na ang Economy ay hindi maganda.
||10 million unemployed ? This is bad.

Bulls-eye ka rito, Willie.  Nang nakatira pa ako sa Pilipinas, wala akong
problema sa utang, atbpang bayaran.  Dito eh talagang kailangan sumahod para
lang pangbayad sa utang.  Bills dito, bills duon.  I have some former classmates 
who are now earning their living in the Philippines and who have started with
mortgages and car loans too.  I am not sure if they experience the same
'belt-tightening' as we do here.

||      I myself is planning to live a permanent life sa Pinas in the near 
||future. Samantalang marami sa atin ay gusto ng bumalik sa atin marami pa
||rin ang sa atin ay gustong pumunta rito. Wala ng jobs dito sa Amerika.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
||mga compania dito ay dinadala na nila ang kanilang manufacturing sa
||ibang Bansa. Hindi magtatagal ang mga Amerikano ay mag-a-abroad na rin
||para maghanap buhay.

They too need to experience it and later on know they are mistaken.
Unemployment is becoming a problem of nations both here in America and
(nothing new) in the third world.

Natatawa na lang ako when I compare my attitude when I was there and now
that I am here.

||  Willie
||****************************************************************************
||  Saan ba mala-laglag ang dahon kung hindi sa Puno rin.
||
||**************************************************************************** 

-Marida





Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: To Legalize Or Not
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:08:25 GMT


FROM  mulchand@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Caryl Mulchand):
Re: CPP, Let Them Play Also


>I believe the proper order is this:
>
>  1.  Legalize Corruption, almost everyone is doing it anyway.
>
>  2.  Legalize CCP, so no one is scared of them.
>
>  3.  Let item #1 and #2 clean-up the playing field.
>
>  4.  Now, its free for all.
>
>-caryl   :-)
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's fair, it's free, it's a must.  Re: corruption, some
real yuks out there will offer this:  nuke 'em!

                            -TEG    :)

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