From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:56:09 GMT

In article <9301091947.12@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <C0FzJq.D1B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:

>>
>>What is your point here?  That she should have the right friends in
>>order to protect yourself?
>
>No, that there is a game that you have to play to get a gun permit from
>the state government.  She needs to try a different tactic.

She shouldn't have to.  This is my point.  That no one should have to
justify why they want to defend themselves.
>>
>>What's your point?  The police, by nature, will have records on
>>criminals.  They should *not* be keeping records on law abiding
>>citizenry!
>
>In the state of Massachusetts, everyone who has a drivers license
>has a record on the police computers.

No where have I said they *don't* keep records, I said they
*shouldn't* keep records.  Most people would seriously be frightened
if they realized just how many records are being kept on them.
 

>>>So therefore, prosecuting criminals is unlawful, since it takes away
>>>their rights.
>>
>>No, it's part of "due process".  What the hell is your point?
>
>That you believe that a person should be able to buy a gun without
>question, because anyone who would buy a gun from a licensed dealer
>is obviously not a criminal, regardless of the laws in effect.

Well, your point is wrong, because I haven't heard anyone proposing
that. 


>>
>>Not all do, and a seizure doesn't have to have an associated arrest.
>
>In Massachusetts it does.

Sure, legal ones.  Police can, and do, do illegal things as well.
But, since they are police, they have a much better chance of getting
away with it.

>>
>>So, exactly what is your point?  That just because you have a warm and
>>fuzzy feeling walking the streets, we all should?  Listen, as long as
>>you are going to insist on not stating your points, we're not going to
>>have an effective dialog.

You still haven't answered this question.

>Do you carry a gun every day?

Why do you ask?  Maybe I do, maybe I don't.  I'm not going to tell
you, or anyone else except the police officer who can make my day
miserable if he catches me lying to him (since I have a ccw, I *can*
carry legally, and I'll let you know I have a ccw, since it's public
record).

Do you carry medical insurance?  Car insurance?

>How often do you have to pull it out and demonstrate that you are armed?

Any time I feel the threat warrants it.

How often have you had to prove that you had insurance in order to
register your vehicle, or to gain admittance to a hospital due to a
non-life threatening injury or illness?

>How often do you have to fire that gun due to the fact that your life is
>in danger?

Ditto.

How often has your insurance company paid a claim on you?

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