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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: (Why I do not want to be in) Re: Service in Korea
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:55:39 GMT

Many interesting postings on why not wanting to join the army in Korea.
Most of it was an exercise in intellect to avoid the obvious.   The obvious
answer is 

<I do not want to spend 2.5 years in the army away from everything that is
dear my heart, and close to every thing that I see in my nightmare.  As for
the love for my country, it pales by comparison to my self love.  There are
so many other able bodies to do the job, why me?>

And the above statement is, shamelessly speaking, my answer.  And as usual,
I suspect I am only guilty of speaking straight.  I suspect many others
think the same way, except they are not stupid enough to state it in
public.

Of all the postings that I have seen, only one person is an honorable man
who put his studies on hold and served in the army.  He can run for
presidency.  I will vote for him in that aspect.  All others sould consider
a career in law or something else.

Some pointed out their distaste for becoming a killing machine.  In my
case, that is the least of my concern.  Killing does not bother me 1/1000
of being killed.  Now, being killed by a bullet through my skull, aka
instant death, does not worry me as much as being beaten daily by a brute
sergeant for being an odd ball.  I, who was beaten frequently in high
school and had problems wearing uniforms, am guaranteed to have problmes in
the army.  It is much more likely for me to be involved in a "training
accident" in an official report and be cremated before any autopsy than
being killed by an enemy.

Some of you mentioned being better-used in a civilian duty than in the
army.  That is true if you can prove that every single soul in the entire
army is less useful than you are.  Otherwise, you should let that better
man out and fill in for him if you are so concerned about the general
productivity of the country.

Frankly, I would rather be left alone even if the rest of the world goes to
hell.  But it is not possible.  So, if I must, I will fight and die.  But
if there is a semi-dignified way, I will chicken out.  But I will not give
these self-aggrandizing statements as an excuse.

James Choi, still looking for a toong-so player.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:41:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.214728.3070@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>	It's been too many years since I read the book about this;
>	; but didn't the aircraft carriers carry B-17 (or 19?) during WWII
>	in order to bombard Japan.
>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878

The planes were B25's and were specially modified for the carrier
launch.  These planes took off from a carrier Hornet on April 18th,
1942, 700 miles from the target.  Target was industrial complexes 
in the Tokyo Bay.  As I noted in the previous posting, this daring 
assult was made into a movie called, "60 Seconds over Tokyo".  
(interesting movie..and interesting person that James Doolittle)

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
--
"Man's world is manifold, and his attitude are manifold.  What is manifold is
 often frightening because it is not neat and simple.  Men prefer to forget 
 many possibilities are open to them.  They like to be told that there are two 
 worlds and two ways.  This is comforting because it is so tidy."  W. Kaufmann  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Coffee? Re: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:06:32 GMT

In article <62268@mimsy.umd.edu> kimy@goober.cs.umd.edu writes:

[stuffs deleted]
>
>yong-mi
>no mention of bi-bim-pap or bul-go-gi or kimchee anywhere

[flame mode on]

	How dare you post such non-relavant babbling to this newsgroup!
Check out the f**king name of the newgroups, it's soc.culture.korean, not
alt.some.stupid.college.hang.out.listing!  And what the h*ll is this 
fin-de-siecle decadence kind of place that you hang out!  Aren't you
ashamed that the young people in Korea are suffering in cold weather
trying to defend their country from the f**king commies in North Korea
while you go around sipping coffees and listening to those Satanic
music?  Why I oughta...

[flame mode off]


[smiley mode on]

	Wow, that was fun faking a flame.  :)  Sorry about that, but
I wanted to see how well I can flame on a Usenet.  I've been out of
practice.  :)  Seriously, that was just me trying to relieve stress
after writing a paper on North-South relations and comparing Marxism to
liberalism.  Now that I expressed my male inadequacy through this totally
un-called for fake flame, back to your regularly scheduled programming.  :)
BTW, how many of you out there were ready to press that "F" key and
flame me back for being such a net.tourette?  Come on, don't be shy, let's
see those hands.  :)

	Yongmi, my mom does own an espresso maker, but I'm going to miss
those Italian syrup that they put in at the Temptations, and those delicious
chocolate cakes from Cafe Decadence.  Nothing like a having a dinner at
the Aladdin's, and then heading over to CD for some Anne's Revenge and
a thick slice of chocolate cake.  And then sit back while talking to my 
friends about life, universe and everything.  Finally, come back home and
read Usenet, post fake flames and run for the net.godhood of s.c.k. while
listening to Duke by Genesis.  

-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
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From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Yong Oak Kim, and Ki Philosophy [LONG!]
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.155624.24531@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.233516.9601@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
>>	Ki chul-hahk (or philosophy of ch'i for following chinese
>>pronunciation) is pretty well known phrase among Koreans who are
>>intersted in such, yet many are asking "what is it really?" I am one
>>of them, and I have very vague idea, or only a remote portion of this
>>philosophy. I'll shortly and simply state what I think it is.
>
> I just have one thing to point out.  When philosopher Kim Yong Oak
>uses the term, "Ki Chu-hahk", he is not referring to ki-philosophy
>which is widely used term.  He is referring to his own unique
>philosophy as he strongly emphasized several times in his books.

How true!  As an avid reader of Kim Yong-Oak's enlightening works, you
should realize that one of his strongly emphasized philosophy is that
of pleasures in cooking, Gag-lae.  He frequently professes about what
a good cook he is, especially in his heavily integrated philosophical
books.  This isn't surprising, since he is not only an expert in
Chinese cooking, but also an epicurian of other fine international
foods.  One can immediately smell the fine aroma of steam dumplings
even from the title of his highly regarded book:

   Eastern Philosophy, What Are We Going To Do?
     (Dong Yang Hahk, Uh Dduck Hae Hahl Gut In Gah)

   Don't get me wrong.  He is a fine writer, and an unselfish
philosopher in fact.  No doubt about that!  I do not know whether you
have heard of this, but you should actually read his Declaration of
Conscious (Yangshim Sun-Un) when he resigned from Korea University.
There are lots of simple yet complex philosophies which are further
elaborated in his later works.

   However, back to the original topic.  A little birdy who had a
dinner with the author along with few other students in Seoul once
described to me that he rigorously encouraged them to read a certain
book (she couldn't remember the title, but if anyone knows I'll
forward it to her), a book about food by some famous philosopher.  For
Kim Yong-Oak's zeal for food, try looking up listings of food like the
one found in the index of the book: 

   What Is Women? (Yuh Jah Rhahn Moo Ut In Gah)

   Before I make my exit, I would like to present you with a famous
Kim Yong-Oak line:

  "How can one talk about life or philosophy if one does not 
   know the pleasure of food!"


P.s.  Oh, yeah, enough research will tend to support your theory,
Gag-lae, so don't give up.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:01:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov19.040128.8462
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Nov19.003339.16825@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
[...]
>	I cannot @#$^&#$ believe this.  James, where did you learn this
>art of selective quoting?  [...] The original article
>said that all the Korean-Americans should not speak out on this issue
>since they have no right to do so.  I cannot @#%$^&^ believe you are taking
>my article so out of context and twisting my words.  I thought you knew
>better, James...

Well, I might have over done it.  I am just fed up with postings that have
three levels of nested quotes.  I was trimming it to bare essentials and I
think I went one step too far, if you feel that way.

But basically I was agreeing with Mr. Kim that we have no right to tell him
whether he wasted time or not.  Of course, you made it clear that you are
not talking about him but the current situation.  So, as far as I can see,
we all agree.  In spite of my cynical nature, I would not quote someone out
of context intentionally.  I will be more careful from next time.

>T. H. Brian Chung

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:44:47 GMT

I wrote:
Korean males seem to have an attraction for young girls

In article <1992Nov23.172104.23757@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Well, I must comment on this.... I think you should make it perfectly
>clear that it is your opinion based upon no solid facts before making
>any future posts on this subject.

There is a bar NAMED "young-gye" that features young (often under-age)
girls are waitress who also serves different fuction on the second floor.
I haven't been to Korea for 15 years.  Everything I know is by newspaper.

>For example, would you consider Korean males as more attracted to
>'young girls' as compared to Japanese?  I am sure you are aware of
>wide availability of porn material in Japan, and the content of such.
>Or compared to any other nationality... how would you quantify it?

Indeed, I was thinking Japanese case while I was writing the previous
posting.  I felt there is no need to drag another country into this.
Notice that my original comment was not comparative.

>What exactly are you trying to accomplish by making these generalizations
>without supporting facts?  No flames intended.

I am trying to communicate the fact that all these problems are not caused
by the U.S. army base in Korea, but by the internal demand and by internal
fat consumption.

And as for the someone else's question on goverment's reluctance to crack
this down, they do crack down.  Occasionally in a highly publicized manner.
That's how I know all this reading from newspaper.  But as long as there is
a demand, and people consume fat, there will be prostitution.  When demand
is high, and supply is limited, some extraordinary measures will be taken
to meet the demand.

Another reason I suspect is that those who are in the power may consume fat
as well.

This brings another point.  I have always thought cracking down on
prostitution will be more effective if they arrest the customers and
publicize their pictures along with their name and title.  Leave those poor
ladies alone.  Get the guys.  They are the problem.  And give them a
fat-free diet.

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Dating
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.014050.6119@ttinews.tti.com> sophia@sophia.TTI.COM writes:
>I am interested in the opinion of Korean male society regarding the
>dating between Korean woman and non-Korean man.
>I would like to know your honest view regarding this matter.
                           ^^^^^^

Highly undesirable.  I do not think highly of Korean males.  I would not
marry one if I was a woman.  I am no exception to this sweeping
generalization (I would not marry myself if I was a woman).  Given this
assumption, I believe Korean woman are the only ones that are capable of
putting up with Korean male.  Others race or nationals do not stand a
chance.

So, when a Korean woman dates a non-Korean man, it is a very severe drain
in Korean male dating pool.  If she is pretty, it is a down right blow to
the Korean male society.  If she is pretty and intelligent and agnostic, I
take it personally and lose sleep for a few days agonizing with the sense
of loss....

On the other hand, I strongly encourage Korean males to strive for a
ecologically balanced life.  I specially encourage those who are more
handsome, better educated and more talented than I to find out more about
this life by branching out.  I do not care much where they end up.  I just
want them to stay out this precious little pool.  Thank you very much.

James Choi, in a very honest mood.  But still need a toong-so player.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:44:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.184447.25604@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>I wrote:
>Korean males seem to have an attraction for young girls
> [....]
>Notice that my original comment was not comparative.

Is not this a implied comparision between Korean males and others?
I would agree with what you said if you change the above
assertion to "all males seem ..."  By explicitly mentioning only
one group, whether it was your intention or not, there is implied
comparision.

>In article <1992Nov23.172104.23757@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>For example, would you consider Korean males as more attracted to
>>'young girls' as compared to Japanese?  I am sure you are aware of
>>wide availability of porn material in Japan, and the content of such.
>>Or compared to any other nationality... how would you quantify it?
>
>Indeed, I was thinking Japanese case while I was writing the previous
>posting.  I felt there is no need to drag another country into this.

There is no need to drag other nationalities into this discussion; but,
I think it is good to note the trait in question is not an exclusive
trait of Korean males.  

>>What exactly are you trying to accomplish by making these generalizations
>>without supporting facts?  No flames intended.
>
>I am trying to communicate the fact that all these problems are not caused
>by the U.S. army base in Korea, but by the internal demand and by internal
>fat consumption.

Of course.....  There are only 30,000 US troops stationed there.
(30 thousand US troops verses 43+ million S.Koreans, guess who
supports the demand for the one of larger per capita prostitutes 
in the world.)  But, it is interesting to note that there has been
much reporting of Japanese tourist in Korea for more than just 
sight seeing ( as part of the infamous sex-tours that some
Japanese are known to take) .  I could not really get any 
thing specific from the newpaper articles.... but the need 
to survive by the newspaper I guess can color the reporting a bit :) 
_OR_ does anyone have any figures?

>This brings another point.  I have always thought cracking down on
>prostitution will be more effective if they arrest the customers and
>publicize their pictures along with their name and title.  Leave those poor
>ladies alone.  Get the guys.  They are the problem.  And give them a
>fat-free diet.

Either ROK government should have 100% commitment to wipe away
prostitution ( maybe public executions like these in Saudi Arabia :) )
or just face the fact that the demand will always be there and
legalize it.

Geez.. I think I might get some flak for this :)

>James Choi

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:03:55 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov21.181611.2865@news.columbia.edu> kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>For years, I've dated only Korean guys even though they weren't so great
>because I thought inter-racial relationships were wrong.

	I'm very sorry to be a not-so-great Korean guy.
	I guess I have to blame my mon & dad not having me as
	a not-not-so-great Korean girl.

	Now out of joke mode, what bothers me on the quoted is
	the fact that it makes me think it was forced date or
	dating was required.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Dating....
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:23:08 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov21.092508.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>Maybe it is him that read into the first two lines.

	Sorry, but it was the last 2 lines with "carrier of Korean gene"
	with my "skewed view" of Korean gene.

>... by questioning James on that thought you have proven yourself to be of
>somewhat skewed view on dating.

	Arrrg!  Give me a chance to prove it on real time.

	Having cleaning up the road for 4 years (ask your Korean teacher
	if you don't get this), I'm seriously considering my second career
	on Miari UnMyoungCheolHakWon (fortune teller?).

>I think, though, she didn't mean casual dating when she said she dated them.

	And I wish I could generalize that to all.

straight-view-glass-needed Daeshik,
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:59:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Mf2kpU600iV4Q9Fl8o@andrew.cmu.edu> hm15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hannah Moon) writes:
> ...
> anyway, i really like korean guys - they are great, just like any other
> great guy. although it is tempting to say that guys are basically the
> same no matter what their race... i have to admitt going out with korean
> guys and other guys is a bit different.  in my experience, the korean
> guys i went out with all seemed to have this slight chauvinistic
> attitude that is rooted from the korean culture.  that ticks me off
> personally.  even when they joke,"shouldn't you be doing the dishes?" 
> it pisses the hell out of me.  for over a year now, i've been dating
> non-korean guys, mostly chinese.  and yes, the chinese seem to be
> different from korean guys.  are there any korean males (with
> experience) that can give some intelligent feedback?  

Dear Hannah,

I may not have the rich experience you desire nor do I have the
shallow experience you detest, I only beg you not perceive guy as
"guys," but rather as a single individual, whether he is capable of
rudeness or caresses.  Even when there was a point in my relationship
where I had to plead "shouldn't I be doing the dishes?" it never
occurred to me that the kindness she was offering without hesitance
was rooted from culture, and she was not Korean.  My only hope is that
by writing this article I have not pissed the hell out of you, but
rather made an impression that I am hitting on you.  Please do not
judge Korean male as a whole even from my posting.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:06:20 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.170146.3734@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.034445.15601@syacus.acus.oz.au> woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong) writes:
>>Kim-il-sung wasn't talking nonsense when he accused the South Korean army
>>of being the remnants of Japanese imperialist army. .....Sigh.
>
>Any reason why Kim's appearance is so much highlighted with 2 dashes?   I
>mean, who asked Kim's shitty opinion; Kim the butcher is the least person 
>deserving any credit for historical correctness among Korean people.  Save
>sigh for later time.

I think you got me wrong.
I did not mean to imply (if think I did) that Kim was providing a lesson on
historical correctness of Korea.
My point was rather, that Syngman Rhee's regime possessed a serious
weakness, IMHO, that could readily be picked on by the communist north,
unfortunately with validity.

You are right. Who needs any opinion from a bastard like Kim, but the annoying
thing is that his opinion, on this occasion, had reasonable bases.

BTW, I don't really see how the hyphens highlighted the name. (and so what if
they did ?)
I use them because they make it easier to work out the Hangul equivalent.



Woong-Ki, with the hyphen


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:10:12 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov23.033027.10276@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>This kind of kidnapping is rampant to satiate the never ending desire of
>Korean males.  It is easier to see a live naked girl than seenig a porn
>movie in Korea, I was told.  The demand of the U.S. army may be a part of
>it.  But a huge percentage of it is Korens themselves.  While women's right
>group is working on "comfort girl" compensation from Japan, the others are
>making their own race into comfort girls TODAY as we speak.

	Personally, I don't think most of the prostitues are the result of
	kidnapping; again, lacking the sources, I can't really tell.

	I don't know why the police wouldn't attack those prostitute houses
	which are far from secret.

Gossip:
There were 3 legendary hostesses - I guess those from Seoul/Pusan may know
them - once all 3 opened their own cafe once: Scene, Guess, imagine;
(I'll skip the detail about them which may offend one innocent married
husband and couple of my friends); anyway, none of them were kidnapped;
rather, the amount of money they can make seemed to be the lure for them
along with their poverty.

Also, couple of my cousin's friends were deeply involved into the
entertainment(?) business (one managing Pointers in Hotel Silla, and the
other running Holywood - I'm not sure these still exist); according to them,
(even though they are far from topic they know a lot on what's going on
with those underground gangsters), contrary to public belief, those kidnap
cases were very rare.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
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