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From: dougw@kepler.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:52:44 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Jul29.181228.10510@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>Hum, if you mean promotion by just having the instructor give you your
>belt in class rather than formal testing, I would disagree.  I've been
>told that the formal testing gets your adrenalin pumping, gets you scared,
>and makes you nervous.  My Master says its one of they ways the try to 
>simulate a real world atmosphere.  Also, its kind of cool to receive your new
>belt in front of the class, an honor one might say.
>
>As for conditionals.  I was told that everyone who receives their first
>degree in our school has to test again six months later.  Its only a
>checkup I'm told, but its a type of conditional.  Namely, if you go
>to pot in those six months you will be sorry. :)
>
>Which reminds me, do any of you have to take checkup exams?  Every year
>we see a sign posted stating that the blackbelts must take a checkup
>exam.
>
>
>-Ben

In the World Tang Soo Do Assoc., there is actually a rank that is just before
first dan (Cho Dan) but after the colored (Gup) ranks called Cho Dan Bo, or
Black Belt Candidate.  While there is a requirement of at least six months at
this rank before one is allowed to test to become a Cho Dan, Cho Dan Bos are
treated roughly the same as the other Dans.

---doug---
From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:23:45 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

>From article <2A72145C.1551@ics.uci.edu>, by mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen):
>> What are the laws concerning knives, guns, baseball bats, etc.?
>> (I happen to live in southern California, but I'd like to hear about just
>> about anywhere.)
>> 
>> What can you carry, what can you conceal, what can you have in your car,

You can carry a cane or walking stick.  (Be sure to lean on it 
occaisionally.  I'm not suggesting a sword cane.  A lot of cops know what they
look like and I can't imagine a legitimate excuse.)  You can carry an
umbrella.  (Might look strange in L.A.)  You can carry a fan, but
that's almost a lost art.  You can carry a staff if you're out hiking.
(It's your walking stick, right?)  [In one famous battle, the Shaolin
Monks intervened in a raid by Japanes pirates and fought them off.
Most of those monks only carried a staff into that battle.  Of course
the staffs they carried were iron and weighed more than 30 pounds
apiece.  (You might want to build yourself up for that one. :))]
You can carry the round steel balls that they make in China for 
stimulating the meridians in the hands.  (A lot of people also find it 
very  stimulating to have one bounce off their heads.  Others find it 
soporific.  :))

California is particular about banning most of the traditional weapons
that are well known.
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From: RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
Subject: Re: Taijiquan
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 1992 07:56:41 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John C. King)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:05:59 GMT
Subject: Taijiquan
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

Taijiquan. stuff deleted

I want something interesting to do with my body. (No rude comments, please)
I run two miles a day now.  Increased flexibility especially of my hips and
legs is one goal.  Something that requires concentration and focus is
another.  Self defense is not a consideration.  Is Taijiquan what I'm
looking for or is there something else?
--------------------------------------------------------------
The message gives the impression that you are not in a MA now.
Based on that, one of the high-kicking styles would seem to be a candidate
for the goals you listed. I.e. Tae Kwon Do, etc.
Confess I don't know all the high-kicking MAs, but get the impression
that the Korean MAs seem to emphasize that aspect.
Concentration and focus would be a given in any MA.

Suggest you consider cost, time , techniques (are you young enough that
takedowns, etc. are OK for your back, for example?) when considering
a MA. I'm sure there's been a number of threads detailing 'how to pick
a MA'.
good luck STICKS
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From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: What to learn in Tucson AZ
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:58:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.212736.11736@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Ken Shenkman) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I currently have a brown belt in Isshin Ryu and live in Rochester N.Y.
>However, I'll be moving to Tucson in about a  month and I'm trying to
>figure out what to do with regard to MA training. I hope to start an
>Isshin Ryu "club" so I can maybe teach a few other people and keep up
>my Isshin Ryu. Hopefully, after a while, I can fly my Sensei out to AZ
>and have him test me for BB in that style.
>
>I'd also like to hook up with a dojo out there. I understand there are
>no Isshin Ryu schools in Tuscon (I think), so I'm trying to figure out
>what else to learn.  SO what I would like to know is:
>
>1) Does anyone know about MA in Tucson? What's available.
>
>2) In general, what might be an interesting style to follow up with? I
>realize this is mostly a matter of personal preference, but I figured
>people in this group would have some good preferences.
>
>Thanks
>
>Ken Shenkman
>ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu


I know what the MA state of life in Tucson was like 5 years ago! (not sure what its like now though).. moved away not too.

Jonathan Smith
From: heller@teucer.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 26 Jul 92 10:19:49
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<1992Jul26.105659.19538@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: teucer.think.com
In-reply-to: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com's message of Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.105659.19538@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

   mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
   : and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
   : cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
   : do this?

   If the temperature is the only difference - then the answer is: It doesn't.

If temperature were the only important measure of the liquid, the answer
would be: "it doesn't", but there are other considerations.  As I
understand it, and I'm not a physicist, there are more crystalization sites
in hot water than in cold water, and when the hot water passes through the
lower temperature, it isn't in exactly the same state as the cooler liquid.
So, the freezing process can in fact take less time starting with hot
water.  In any case, this is easy enough to try at home.

I draw two lessons from the hot water parable:

1. The world is complicated --- everything isn't always like it seems.

2. Physics is stupid if hot water can freeze faster than cold water.  I'm
glad I didn't study physics!  :-)

-steve  (steve heller --- heller@Think.COM)
From: hawardn@doris.inmos.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Wado in Manchester ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: hawardn@doris.inmos.co.uk ()
Distribution: uk
Organization: INMOS CAD Group, Bristol, UK

hi,

  anyone out there studying Wado-ryu in Manchester? I'd like to get
  going again as soon  as I arrive. Mail me an address or phone-number
  or something.

  Thanks,

  Nick (hawardn@inmos.co.uk)

  PS only one more week of net.access though..
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From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Subject: Re: Aikido and the jab...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:47:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.141109.10150@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>(Stephen D Brener) writes...
>>>>An Aikidoist will never initiate an attack.  There cannot be a
>>>>situation of two Aikidoka fighting.  They would just stare at each
>>>>other, and nothing would happen!
>>Nonsense, I remember one time at the Hombu dojo two Aikidoists, one being a 
>>Deshi (lives at the Hombu dojo and has devoted his life to Aikido), got into
>>a fight.  They did more than just stare, they threw punches.  One had his 
>>jaw broken.
>Hee hee.  I love it.  Real people and real life getting in real tussles.  
>So much for Aiki non-violence sainthood for the Deshi.  :-)  Ahhhh ... that 
>story was a refreshing change from the usual paragon-of-virtue tales !
>Probably got suckered by a wild swing, too.  Bet he carries a gun
>now, or tear gas or something.  ;-)

True Tale of one of O'Sensei's uchi-deshi (live-in apprentices), who 
is now a Shihan [and who will remain nameless, thank you very much]:
Many people came to challenge O'Sensei. For him competition (shiai)
could only mean a fight to the death. There existed some kind of boilerplate
document by which both "contestants" would absolve each other of criminal
blame, their descendants of any obligation to avenge, litigate, &c &c &c.
Perhaps just going through the formality of the document was enough
to discourage most fights.
In the story at hand, O'Sensei accepted the challenge on behalf of our
deshi, and sent the pair up to the roof to get it on. They sat down;
our deshi signed the document, and turned it for the challenger;
the challenger signed and was immediately punched in the nose (HARD, I
would imagine...) by our deshi. End of fight.


-- 
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Sequent Computer Systems Inc.                 * (503) 578-4570
15450 SW Koll Parkway, RHE2-775               * FAX (503) 578-7569
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Starting back...
Summary: Some thoughts from my experience (having had back problems)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 24 JUL 92 09:44:36    


jamesh@castle.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) writes...

[edited]
>an osteopath who told me that my hip was slightly out of alignment. Since
>then I've been getting osteopathic treatment which has done a world of
>good. Now I want to start karate again. There is a complicating factor.
>Due to my hip problem, my back is quite sensitive(the muscles are
>readjusting to me being back to normal again) and I was wondering what
>advise you guys might give me for my initial training? 
> 
>Also I am thinking of taking up either Ju Jitsu or Aikido as well. Would
>this be a good idea? Are throws liable to do my back in? 

Depending on the problem, I think you're best off with a nice progressive 
walking program over flat terrain with easy stretching for back and legs
(1-3 months) followed by a period of light weight and calisthenic training, 
especially for your back and hips, and moving into interval and circuit 
training.  During this period (maybe another 3-4 months), you'll safely learn 
more about your physical limitations, and be in a a position to evaluate the 
best art for you.  

Some Aikido styles would be very easy on both your hips and back, the 
biggest strain being getting up and down hundreds of times in practice.
I'd reccomend staying away, at least for a year or two, from any training
involving hard 'slapping' type falls, which can be hard on the back
especially in the beginning.  Many schools of JuJutsu and Aikido do
work the hard breakfalls, so you have to watch their classes and ask
questions to be sure.  

					good luck, and take care,

					todd
and interval training, and then 
> 
>My osteopath has said(about the karate) that as long as I'm careful
>there's no reason why not, so I am going ahead with it. I just need info
>on how to avoid hurting my back or a relapse of the hip problem(I am not
>naturally particularly flexible and in fact I'm downright stiff since I
>stopped the karate).
> 
>James
> 
>-- 
>  James Hammerton,2nd year Computer Science at University of Edinburgh
>  Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.castle   Or: jh@uk.ac.ed.dcs                 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Hot water
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:32:55 GMT

[Summary: Marty says he hears that warm water is more readily 
absorbed by the body.  I throw cold water on this idea.]

ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) replies:
>Listen jerk.  Firstoff, I was relaying what I heard, not a fact.

I have no argument with this.  You heard, and relayed to the
net, that hot water is absorbed faster than cold, and this is
certainly not a fact.  Actually, this is very similar to your
recent post about how the hand moves ten times faster than the
elbow during hand techniques.  You thought you heard that one
too.  And, it sounded great -- right up the the part where it
turned out to be "not a fact."

>I read it in an issue of Muscle and Fitness in the recent finds
>area.  

You mean that mass circulation mag with all the steroid monsters
on the front cover and the ads for "fat burner pills" in the
back?  So, which issue did you read this in?

>Second, what you like and what is are two differen't things.
>Just because you like a nice glass of cold water like most people
>including myself do, does not make it correct.

Of course not.  I like all sorts of incorrect things.  But I am
not inclined to accept a claim that would invalidate the
behavior of "most people" just because you think you read it in
a magazine.  I think it would take a little more than that to
persuade, say, professional athletes and their trainers that
they should trade in their iced drinks for hot ones.

>Third, you wanna talk about the subject then fine, talk about it.
>But don't try using it as an excuse to cut me down as was shown
>in the title and the overall attitude of your post.

Sorry, I didn't realize your feelingw were so easily hurt.  I'll 
try to be more sensitive in the future.

>References please?

The original research was conducted in South Africa.  There are 
many references to it in the exercise physiology literature.  For
example, in The Sports Medicine Book, Dr. Gabe Mirkin lists a 
number of fallacies about exercise, including:

   Fallacy 8.  Drink tepid liquids because they are absorbed into
   the bloodstream more quickly.

   Strange as it may seem, cold drinks increase motility and are 
   absorbed faster than warm drinks.  In recent years, Cyril 
   Wyndham, a physician in South Africa, has shown that drinks 
   are absorbed best at a temperature of 40 degrees.

   I was mistakenly told in medical school that consuming cold 
   drinks during exercise causes cramps.  I once tried to drink 
   warm water during a race, but it tasted so bad that I never
   again drank warm beverages during competition.

   Every professional team ices down drinks during competition.  
   Not one athlete that we interviewed ever had stomach cramps 
   from cold drinks.  In fact, a large number of soccer and 
   hockey players told us they regularly chew ice.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Video Program Content
Summary: What are we 'selling' ?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:43:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <acortez.712552201@athena>, acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez) writes...
> 
>   Netters:
>  
>   If you could put together a 30-60 min video program
>   about the martial arts what would you like to have
>   in it?  Keep in mind that the program you're making
>   will be shown on a monthly basis.    

Doesn't it depend on the audience and on your rhetorical purpose for
putting the film together ?  Are  you trying to represent all martial
arts generically, or their historical development, or highlight their 
commonalities and differences, or compare and contrast them to similar physical
activities, or something else ?

							todd
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kanji Dictionary
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:29:08 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

I saw this on soc.culture.japan:
Now available for ftp or ftpmail from /pub/Nihongo on monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
are:

(a) V2.1 of JDIC and JREADER (MS-DOS Japanese Dictionary and Text Reader 
programs)

(b) V92-024 of EDICT (Japanese English Dictionary file), now over 24,000
entries.

plus assorted supported data files.

Has anyone tried this?  I don't do MS-DOS very often, but if this is
a good thing I would like to give it to Coleman Sensei, the local
Isshin Ryu instrctor.  Is it available in a USA site?  Thank you
for any help!  STephen
===================================================================
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Shaolin Monks Tour:  Postscript?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:33:18 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

[Looks like my last post didn't make it, apologies for any repeats]

I have just seen a Chinese language newspaper which had a message
from Master Chan Pui.  Apparently, two of the monks from the Shaolin
Temple group that toured the U.S. have vanished/defected/left without
a trace.

The message goes on to ask their return to the temple with no 
retribution and exhorts all U.S. and Canadian martial artists to
assist in finding them.

The date of the message was July 3, 1992 and has Master Chan Pui's
phone number as (407) 275-6177 (is this real)?

Does anyone know anymore about this?

Terry Chan
--
Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov                           I disclaim all disclaimers.
From: wei@sashimi.Corp.Sun.COM (Arthur Kong)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Bricks used for demo breaking
Keywords: bricks
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:39:26 GMT
Reply-To: wei@sashimi.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sashimi.corp.sun.com

Can someone tell me what kind of bricks is usually used for 
demo breaking? The size, what kind of material it is made of and where I 
can get them? Does Home Depot carry them?

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Subject:  Light Body Techniques
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.181608.2608@ns.network.com> hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:

>Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
>7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
>Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
>55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."

Actually, I'm less interested in the mean dog blues than I am in the quotation
in Peter's .sig.  This is an implied reference to a rare form of chi kung that
lightens the body.  Has anyone heard of any current practitioners/teachers of 
this skill in North America?  Anywhere else?  [I'm not talking about the
Mahareshi's latest scam, "Yogic Flying".]

Note that I've never seen it practiced although I know an old man from a
martial arts family who mentioned that his grandmother could do it.  Some
of the Shaolin Monks reportedly were capable of this.  Supposedly one of 
the previous abbots of Shaolin could dive into a one finger "handstand."
I've even seen a picture of one of the monks doing a one finger handstand
although the photo looked faked to me.  Does anyone know anything about
this practice?
From: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matthew Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Need ride
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:54:20 GMT
Reply-To: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matthew Brandt)
Organization: Impulse Technology
X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5v2

I need a ride from boston to the r.m.a east coast meeting and then
from there to atlanta. I would, of course, be willing to split gas
and driving.

Matt Brandt

------------------------------------------------------------
Matt Brandt
Impulse Technology
matt@drefla.mese.com
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From: butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:38:17 GMT

Hmmm...

The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?  I'm not too sure if that's the way
to go!  Let's suppose that you were a (very, very) small practicioner of
your martial art, and you intended to break an equally small board.  You know
that the board can be represented by an essentially square potential barrier,
hence you know that if your fist has a kinetic energy in just the right range,
it will travel unimpeded through the board.  Armed with this knowledge, you
concentrate, stare the board down (being careful not to observe too carefully!)
then, with a kiai, you unleash your energy.  Voila - the board is broken.

However, we must remember that we aren't living in a world where everyday
interactions are governed by QM - we're just too big.  What this really means
is that the chance of such a quantum event is vanishingly small and so can 
'never' happen.  But then, that might just be what makes the martial artists 
great!

Musings on QM from a Judoka...

Adrian
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 26 Jul 1992 18:16:46 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In alt.folklore.science, article <1992Jul22.095347.16@antioc.antioch.edu>,
  mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
< 
< and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
< cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
< do this?
< 
The hot water evaporates while it cools. Therefore, by the time the (liquid)
water is at 0 degC, there's less formerly-hot water to freeze. Assuming a
constant surface area to radiate heat, it freezes faster. 
Actually, if you use a heat-conductive open container, there's an eve
greater surface -- the outside walls of the container and the water surface
(constant, assuming vertical walls of the container), and the inner surfaces
not covered with water.

-- 
Anoint, v.:
	To grease a king or other great functionary already
	sufficiently slippery.
		-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
-- 
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From: seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Keywords: black belt time
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:59:53 GMT

The number of years appears (from e-mail replies) to be very variable,
as expected.  But might this, indirectly, be related to the fact that there
may be no standards in the martial arts world?  Who decides when a person
gets a belt, and on what grounds?  When he can break bricks?  When he can
hit so-and-so point on his opponent's body without breaking a sweat?

Simon
- still got my A suit on