From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Ex-Marvel Stuff
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:01:29 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Hey, Jim Lee is cool. He just has a weak scripter.

Sorry, I don't dig twenty pages of pinups devoid of backgrounds.  Lee goes.


>I agree that Liefeld and Larsen are dangerous, but I will buy Wildcats,
>Youngblood, Spawn, The Dragon, and whatever Whilce is doing for a month
>or two just to say "Fuck you" to the Marvel Editorial staff.

Malibu and Image are JUST AS BAD as Marvel.  Special covers, high prices.
Same bullshit, different name.  Wake up.


>THEY'RE  the ones who really shouldn't touch characters. Tom DeFalco
>even admits in the latest FF letters page that he's forcing the line
>back to the 60's except for "little-boy" titles because, and I quote,
>
>       "There are some times that imagination must give way to tradition."

Marvel SHOULD concentrate on their traditional characters, BUT PUT GOOD
CREATORS ON THE BOOKS.  Gruenwald and DeFalco don't cut it.

Just wait, my friends.  Heed my words.  DeFalco and Frenz doing ANOTHER
Spider-man book.  Quarterly.  Heard it from reliable source.



>Except for the Hulk and MAYBE the New X-men book, I wish Marvel nothing
>but stock failure, lack of employment, shoddy reviews, production
>problems, curses, deaths, sicknesses, and woe... UNTIL all of the
>current editors are replaced.

Same here, but I'd burn the new X-Men book too.



>3. Thor, The God Of Thunder
>       The Mighty Thor is cancelled. Walt Simonson writes and pencils, Terry
>Austin inks. God of Thunder begins with issue #383.

Agreed.


>4. Fantastic Five
>       Fantastic Four is cancelled. F5 begins with issue #355. The team is
>still the Fantastic Four though; the "Five" in the title actually refers
>to Doctor Doom. I write and ink, with pencils by Jeff Johnson.

You can ink, but I'm writing... :)  (keep it F4, though...)


>5. X-Force
>       Cable, Warpath, Feral, and Shatterstar die. The MLF remains but Rusty
>Collins and Skids die. Doug and Warlock are "unkilled" while Karma and
>Rictor die in their places. Gideon and his crew are killed. The new team
>is Cannonball, Boom Boom, Cypher (now a mage from reading all those
>books in Asgard), and Warlock. They rejoin the Xavier school while
>Sunspot becomes their arch-enemy. Cable is revealed to be Stryfe's
>clone, but Stryfe lives and later becomes Ahab in some futures. Stryfe
>is not Nathan Summers, but Mr. Sinister is.
>       I don't care who draws this one, but it needs a good writer.

All the X-Force dies, including Rob Liefield.


>6. X-Men, Uncanny X-Men
>       The one who betrays the X-Men is BISHOP. The team is saved, though, by
>actions of Gambit. Also, we see a catfight between Jean and Betsy (over
>Scott) and Scott is no longer portrayed as a "jerk" all the time. He
>stops the fight. Through Gambit, Rogue discovers that she CAN control
>her powers ever since Magneto fixed her up in Uncanny 269. Gambit knew
>this from teh time the team "joined" Magneto. AND, Magneto is not dead.
>Doctor Doom rescued him from Asteroid M and is healing him magically.
>       Written by Byrne, art by Jim Lee and Scott Williams/ Whilce Portacio
>and Art Thibert.

Same with all X-Men, and Jim Lee.


>8. The Invincible Iron Man
>       Iron Man is cancelled, this one begins with issue #251. Written by
>David Michelinie, drawn by Bob Layton. Tony has no back problems.

Agreed.  Fix up the Tony Stark_is_on_the_verge_of_death syndrome.



>9. Captain America
>       The book stays, but Gruenwald goes. Story by Eric Raymont, art by the
>current team.

Throw Gruenwald out on his ass.  Story by me.  :)



>10. Avengers Titles
>       The Avengers get royally wasted in the intro series, and both AV and
>AWC are cancelled. Black Knight, Captain Marvel, Vision, Hawkeye, Wonder
>Man, Scarlet Witch, and Mockingbird all die. Hercules returns to
>Olympus. Crystal returns to the Moon.

I don't agree here.  Restore the team of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor.
Plus another, you pick.  Too many Avengers currently.  Cancel AWC, but not AV.


>11. Namor
>       Still by Byrne and Jae Lee, but the wandering is resolved. namorita
>becomes a permanent character here; the other New Warriors are all
>killed by Dr. Doom and their book is cancelled.

As long as Byrne put some life in this book, I'd let him keep writing it.
Have Jae Lee draw Namor smaller.  He's too built.


Don't cancel Daredevil though... find a decent creative team.



Just some opinions... :)

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