From: pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan)
Subject: Summary of flying schools, + places to fly.
Keywords: flying, school
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:58:53 GMT

Here is a summary of schools, which I compiled a while back and
just realised had never posted. It's made up of individuals own
comments (which I've attributed), so the views belong to those
who made them.

At the end are a couple of suggestions for day flights from Sydney.

Cheers, Phil Ryan.

HIRING, and  INSTRUCTORS
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BANKSTOWN
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Sydney Aerobatic School
    	Robin 2160              $115/hr         Wet Hobbs	
     	Siai Marchetti          $155/hr         Wet Hobbs
    	Pitts S2               ~$165/hr (Hobbs) Wet
                             they use a mix of Hobbs +10% VDO
	Duchess			?
    
	Instructors		$50/hr. Briefing $40 (?).

	I like them. The instructors I've met are very proficient,
	their pre flight briefings run about half an hour or more,
	and cover the lesson in detail. 
	The Robins are quite fast (VNO 127 kts) -- you might save a
	couple of minutes getting to the training zone. And you
	can do aerobatics in them.

        To hire the planes you practically have to have done your lessons
        with them. For the Robin it's phase one aeros, for the Marchetti
        it's phase 2, and the Pitts - phase 3. I guess if you have a decent
        swag of experience, and meet with Noel Kruse's approval then you might
        get away with a check ride.

				pryan@rp.csiro.au

	Sydney Aerobatic school are the most expensive in instructor
	time, but they are Well worth it!. Definitely the highest standards
        I have seen. I would definitely go for Sydney aerobatic school.
	You get your initial training plus an aerobatic endorsement.
	It may be more expensive, But, like anything,  you get
	what you pay for. 
				gz@pta.pyramid.com.au

Kingsford Smith
    	Good instructors, planes so-so. Note this is 1988 info.

				gz@pta.pyramid.com.au

                                                                        
Whitworth Aviation 

    	 I think that Whitworth Aviation is one of the best.

			Cait Greenup -- ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au

    	I fully agree that Whitworth are good, in fact a friend and
	I (as well as many others from here) do ALL our flying with
	them.

			Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell)

Clamback and Hennessy

(these people evoke strong emotions for some reason.)

	I like Clamback & Hennessy at Bankstown. They tend NOT to have
	instructors on their way to airlines. I also got a lot out of
	having an occasional flight with an instructor other than my
	regular one.
				ggr@acci.com.au (Greg Rose)

	 I agree that Clamback and Hennessy are pretty good. 

				Cait Greenup -- ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au

	As for C&H, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on
	fire - the only instructors I've dealt with there are arrogant,
	gung-ho pigs, and the aircraft are not in what I would call
	"tip top" condition (unlike Whitworth's ).

				Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell)

Arrow Flying Club

    	I've just joined the Arrow flying club at Bankstown, and will
	be happy to post a comparison between that and the other ways
	I've been paying for flying, as soon as I've done some.			
				ggr@acci.com.au (Greg Rose)

TOWNSVILLE
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    	C150			$85		private
    	C150			$110		dual
    	C172			$105		private
    	C172			$125		dual
    	PA28-R			$125		private
    	PA28-R			$150		dual
    	Partnavier		$265		private

    	We have 172RG's, 182RG's (200hr limit)  and others.

    Instructors
    	The instructors up here give good and thorough pre-flight
	/ de-briefing sessions. My instructor up here (CFI), figures
	the student out VERY quick, he's very good and thorough. 

				ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Lee Askew)

CANBERRA
--------

	Average around here is $100/hr for a C150 wet with instructor. 
	$120/hr for a 172, $105 for a Beech Skipper.  My instructor is
	also a personal friend so I have been getting the ground
	briefings and some other training free, :-) so I don't know local
	prices for those.

				makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)

TRIPS AWAY
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    	Moruya makes a nice day trip during warm weather. Pack a picnic
	lunch and towel and cozzies. Cessnock is good for a weekend
	trip with friends who like to guzzle, so long as you don't mind
	not doing so at the same time.
				ggr@acci.com.au (Greg Rose)

	Regarding places to fly to from Sydney .. up the coast at 500'
	above sea level to Taree is very pleasant and pax normally
	love it.
				ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au Cait Greenup


	When the cold gets too much, come up to the tropical paradise
	and fly the Whitsundays, Cairns, the northern table lands,
	Hamilton island, Brampton island, Dunk island.

				ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au

	

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