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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Cancer and specific breeds?
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 03:45:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.180808.29311@eos.arc.nasa.gov> dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:
>
>The first question that came to mind: is there any articles or
>books about cancers that are common among dogs?
>
>Second, is it assumed to be a hereditary disorder? Are some
>breeds more prone than others?
>

 AUTHOR(s):       Sonnenschein, Elizabeth G.
                  Glickman, Lawrence T.
                  Goldschmidt, Michael H.
 TITLE(s):        Body Conformation, Diet, and Risk of Breast
Cancer in Pet Dogs: A Case-Control Study.
  
            In:   American journal of epidemiology.
                  APR 01 1991 v 133 n 7
          Page:   694

  
AUTHOR(s):       Owen, Larry
 TITLE(s):        Identifying and treating cancer in geriatric
dogs.
  
            In:   Veterinary medicine.
                  JAN 01 1991 v 86 n 1
          Page:   55
  

AUTHOR(s):       Allen, Moira Anderson
 TITLE(s):        Cancer: An Overview - Canine cancers and
treatment methods.
  
  
            In:   Pure-bred dogs, American Kennel gazette.
                  JUN 01 1990 v 107 n 6
          Page:   84
  
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From: dls@ce.Berkeley.EDU (David L. Steere)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Working Collie show in Boonville mid-September?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:31:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Some months ago I read in either Sunset magazine or the AAA magazine of
a working collie (border collie?) show in, of all places, Boonville (I
think).  Needless to say, I cannot find either of the two publications
to refresh my memory, and I would like very much to take a friend and
her daughter up to see this show.  I believe that it is around the middle
of September (20th?), but am posting this to see if some kind soul(s)
can point me more accurately to place and time.

If I've misnamed the breed of collie, whose ability to herd sheep with
only arm signals is amazing, my apologies.  I used to know what I was
talking about, until my cats caught wind of this dangerous tendency to
be thinking about dogs, and "reprogrammed" me one night...
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breed recommendation for new dog owner
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:04:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug27.210421.11571
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <BtM519.Gyx@mail.boi.hp.com> Judy Conrad <judy@hpbsrl.boi.hp.com> writes:
>Hi,
>
>  I am trying to help a friend pick a dog and would like some help.
>
>  The important info:
>
>    -  Her husband has had dogs but she has not, I think that this will
>        be her dog.
>    -  She wants a big dog, prefers if it didn't shed.
>    -  This will be a house dog (so low activity indoors).  They do have
>        a fenced yard.
>
>  I was thinking about a Giant Schnauzer or Standard Poodle.  What's the
>thought of the net about these breeds?  Any suggestions for others?  
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
Judy, I think your friends would enjoy reading "The Right Dog for
You," by Dr. Daniel Tortora.  He raises all the above points and many
more many people don't consider.  You don't have to agree with all of
his conclusions, but it is a good book when considering what breeds
are best for the environment you can provide.  He has several
questionnaires and charts that depict various breeds based on answers
to the questions.  The one down-side to this book is he only
references AKC-recognized breeds (as of 1979, when the book was
written).  Both the poodle and giant schauzer are included.  If they 
want something not recognized by AKC, the are out of luck.  Also, 
he doesn't go into mixed-breeds for the reason that it is impossible 
to determine what aspects of the parents the mix will acquire.

I would also suggest the look at as many all breed books as they can.
Some include information on exercise requirements, some on grooming
needs, etc.  

When they've narrowed down their choices, they should write to the
national breed clubs.  All the clubs I know of have published
informational pamphlets on their particular breed.  Some are better
than others about describing both the good points and the bad points 
of the breed, though.

schalene
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: The Great Lab Debate
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:28:43 GMT

In <1992Aug26.144323.10956@sierra.com> jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.142757.10788@sierra.com> jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill) writes:
>>In article <1684DA498.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>>>so in his book ("Water Dog").  The problem here is that the different
>>>types of hunting dogs have different amounts training needed before
>>>they are useful.  Hounds require virtually no training - they are
>>>released and they run around barking like mad and it's up to the
>>>hunter to keep up.
>>
>>Not true.  Bloodhounds used in Search and Rescue require quite a bit
>>of training.  They must be taught to follow one scent, to search an
>>area if they lose the scent, to indicate when an article that has
>>the lost person's scent on it is found, to search for corpses as
>>opposed to living people, etc.

All entirely correct, and was what I was thinking of when I rebutted
Chris on this earlier.  Also, you have to keep them trailing on a
regular basis (ie., laying trails and working them if you don't have
real calls at least twice a week) AFTER they've gotten the basic
training.

>>Also, they are kept on leash when they are trailing.

The handlers I know clip the leash onto a padded belt to help get a
"boost" while running after their Bloodhounds.  You have to be in good
shape to do this stuff!  A Bloodhound in working shape is formidable!

>Forgot to say that Bloodhounds are silent when trailing.

Actually, this is a matter of regional preference.  In Britain,
Bloodhounds are taught to bay while trailing.  WIthout encouragement,
though, they tend to trail silently.  However, you may have an
individual dog that "alerts" (signals to the handler that the trail is
very fresh and nearly done) with a short or single howl.  Others bark,
piddle, or raise their hackles, but I digress...

Hey, the ones I know are the noisiest when they know they're *about*
to start a trail!  They can't wait!

--Cindy

--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Greyhounds
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:45:47 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


	Congradulations Sharon on getting a Greyhound,

	I assume that the hound is an ex-racer.......

|She is 2.3 yrs old.  All black except for a small patch of white on her 
|front.  She is about 60 lbs, which is small/average for a female greyhound,
|although she actually looks bigger then some of the others that I have
|seen.  She might be under weight, she looks pretty muscular though.

I would have to guess that the dog is not under weight, but instead in
fine competive shape.  To most people, sighthounds look skinny and
underfed.  While walking one of my Whippets at a Flea Market, someone
came up to me and informed me that they were going to report me to the
Humane Society for not feeding the hound.  I had to explain to them that
this is the way Whippets look.

|The Greyhound rescue had her in foster care.  So, for the last three
|months she has been living in an apartment, considerably smaller then
|my condo and doing fine there.  She is completely housebroken.
|She is use to being left alone for 10 hours a day and does not seem
|to mind it.  She is great on a leash, I even took her for a brief run
|and she stayed right next to me the whole time.  I have a feeling she
|was not going to much faster then her normal walking pace.  She was taken
|out jogging in her foster home too, so she is already used to it.

Do you crate her while you are at work?  I would like to recommend that
you crate her while you are away from home.  You wouldn't want her to
get into harms way.  

I assure you that when you were jogging her, she was not working to
hard.  Since she is able to achieve speeds nearly double that of the
fastest human sprinters.  I would like to mention that you do not have
to run her all the time.  You can do long walks as well.  I would like
to recommend that you take her out at least three times a week to keep
in shape (non-competitive shape).

Good luck with Heidi, Kirk
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.190115.2154@news.vanderbilt.edu> vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library) writes:
>>>>>   In our case, I leave
>>>>>   food and water for her at all times, again since we're not home during
>>>>>   the day.
>>>>
>>>>Water, yes.  Food, no.  Only put down the amount of food that the pup
>>>>will consume in 1 sitting, and take the remainder away.
>>>
>>>Why do you think this is so important?
>> 
>>For the same reason that it's not good for people to eat several dozen
>>times a day, they get fat.  At least that's the reasoning behind
>>following what people have been telling me for centuries.
>
>But that does not make any sense.  People don't get fat if they eat when
>they are hungry, they get fat when they overeat.  If dogs are given access
>to unlimited food, they soon learn that the food will be there when they
>are hungry and they will eat when they are hungry.  Every instance I know
>of when a dog has gone nuts and severely overeaten has been when they have
>gotten into the stash they were usually kept out of.

I guess I'll jump in here with my two cents.  I think that feeding schedules
and feeding amounts depend on the dog in question to a large degree.  Take the
current thread about "free feeding."  Not all dogs *can* be free-fed.  My
male Mal is a perfect example of this.  Ever since he was a puppy, he would eat
*all* food he could find, no matter the quantity.  I quickly learned to put him
on a regular feding schedule.  Three times a day when he was a pup (one time a
day as an adult, during the "off-mushing season").   If I were to let him eat
all he wanted as a puppy, at the very least he would have gotten fat.  At the
most, he would have gotten bloat and possibly died.  A friend of mine had the
same problem with one of his Mals.  He was *determined* to free-feed the dog,
since all of his other dogs free-fed.  He just kept filling up the bowl whenever
it was empty, thinking that the dog would get sick and learn not to eat so much.
At one point, the dog was laying down with its head in the bowl, eating the last
bit of food, with a very large tummy.  Sound funny, but this person realized that
the the dog's life would be in danger if he continued.  This dog is now on a 
scheduled feeding regimine.

The moral of this is that not *all* dogs can free-feed.  Not just because they
might "get fat", but becuase they might severely damage themselves. In my
opinion, feeding schedules and ammounts, particularly for puppies, are
really dog-dependent.

>
>					Carlin
>--
>                 ************************************
>
>		Vanderbilt University Science Library 
>		   vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu		

-- 
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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: AKC Breeder Referral
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:51:32 GMT


Yes, there is one here in Champaign, IL, if anyone is interested. They
advertise
in the News Gazette constantly (well at least Thursday and Sunday, the
days
I get the paper). I called them up once looking for Golden breeders and
they 
told me to go to a show and talk to the folks there.  Well, we didn't
get a Golden
got a Cocker instead.  When I called up looking for Cocker breeders they
told me
to go to a show and talk to the folks there. Well, we couldn't make the
show. Why
couldn't they just have given us some names of Cocker breeders in the
area? 
I agree that a show is a great place to look for breeders and to look
over the
dogs, but why couldn't they just give me the number or name? This was a
few
years ago, maybe they are better now. The show we did go was
interesting, but
the folks weren't that outgoing...well, the ones we chose to talk to.
They mostly 
just wanted us to leave them and their dogs alone. :-(  And then there
was the
person who brought their 8 mos old Malamute "to socialize" and that dog
was
knocking over everything and everyone because they couldn't keep the
dog
under control. Non-exhibiting dogs aren't supposed to be let on the
grounds,
are they? And then the two wolfhounds got loose....it was an interesting
show.

Kay Schlumpf & Crew
 
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hunting Abilities: Lab's
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.185714.7813@u.washington.edu>
    martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin) writes:
 
>1. The number of titles awarded relative to the number of
>dogs regestered? Typically there are about 150-225 championships
>awarded per year for breeds that are not rare. I am under the
>impression that tracking , field trial awards etc are rarer.
 
Again, just looking at labs, the "AKC Hunting Test Herald" for
July/August had 41 dogs complete their JH title.  Assuming that's the
average (it's not, summertime is very slow for running hunting tests),
that's 246 FRESHLY qualified dogs per year.  That does not include the
dogs that get their SH or MH without running for their JH first (many
do skip the JH division).  Those dogs also qualify.  And it doesn't
count the dogs that run in Field Trials.  Since points toward a FC/AFC
are so much harder to get than a JH, just having a couple of points
would qualify a dog.  And this doesn't count the additional number of
people that would run their dogs that currently don't.
And it doesn't count those that complete their titles from other
organizations (which should be recognized).
 
 
>I don't have the regestration numbers handy but there are
>probably well over 20 000 labs regestered each year. After a few
>years you would find the regestered dogs on the verge of
>extinction.
 
To use Liza's words (I think), POPPYCOCK.
 
 
>No it is not going to be practical to get the number of awards large
>enough to get an adequate gene pool for breeding.
 
Wasn't the point to reduce the gene pool?  Remove those that can't do
the work.  Remove those that are not within the breed standards.
Remove those that have genetic health problems.  And after you remove
those dogs, you know what?  You have a much healthier population that
is still plenty large.
 
 
>2. Look at the awards listed for sie and dam. In confirmation
>champions about 25% don't have a champion at all.
 
Yep.  And that's too bad.
 
 
>3. Remember that you need a big enough gene pool to maintain
>a healthy breed. The pool is already small enough to cause
>many problems for a number of breeds.
 
My specific suggestions were for Labs (possibly to be extended to
the other retrievers).  To repeat for about the 3rd time, other
breeds should have their own requirements to be determined by
the people that are involved in that breed.
 
 
>Given the above, I suspect that the AKC won't ignore the
>suggestion. They will circulate it for laughs.
 
People were laughing about going to the moon in 1950 too.  Just
because there are short-sighted people in the world doesn't mean
that WE have to wear blinders.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 5 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: goc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (joy.a.gochman)
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:20:22 GMT
Summary: Gazette Article  - May 1991


I happen to have a copy of an article on this subject:
		
		Canine:Color Vision
		Gazette  - May 1991
		By Dana Vaughan, PH.D.

The article explained the following about "color vision" in dogs/people:

Normal Human Color range - VIBGYOR(each letter is a color Violet->Red)
The normal ability to see this wide range of color is due
to the presence of three cone cell types:blue,green and red cones.

The range of colors seen by deuteranopic (green-blind) humans
and dogs are probably the same. Color Vision in the VIB portion
of the spectrum is normal. However, both deuteranopes and
dogs lack the green cones and thus have a color vision deficit in 
GYO portion of the spectrum. This means that blue-green appears white.
Colors more toward the Red (R) portion of the spectrum appears 
more and more yellowish. Red itself thus appears yellow.

Note how difficult it would be for a dog to distinguish between objects
which are green,yellow and orange.Note also that the colors red and 
orange would be hard for a dog to tell apart, but that "red" is
easily distinguished from blue.


End of quote.

From my own experience a yellow tennis ball laying still in the
green grass is hard for my dog to find. 


					joy gochman
-- 
					joy gochman
					mtdcb!joy
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:46:49 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Aug27.131937.5489@cas.org>
    sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Aug27.020250.11373@oz.plymouth.edu> michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
>>We are expecting a litter of little germans here on September 16th (YAY)
>>and I remember back about 10 years ago when I had my last litter, I
>>had trouble keeping track of who's puppy was who's etc...I have heard
>>about some little ID collars you can buy, they come in different
 
>I always worry about collars getting caught on things, so I've been
>using a spot of nail polish on my puppies. I have them marked on the right
>shoulder, left shoulder, left hip, right hip, tail, etc. The nail polish needs
>to be "touched" up every 3-4 days or so. Other suggestions I have read about is
>clipping the fur in different spots for different puppies or using yarn markers
>(e.g., orlon knitting worsted) in different colors.
>Have fun with your puppies! I'm really enjoying watching mine GROW!
 
We used regular yard, and crochetd (sp? *like knitting*) little collars
out of that.  But after reading what you do, I may opt of the nail
polish trick.  It sure seems like it's less time consuming.
 
A local breeder recently got into some serious trouble (with a puppy
buyer) when the they donated a pup to WHAT (Wetland Habitat Alliance
of Texas - like Ducks Unlimited) to be actutioned at the annual
banquet.  Turns out that the pup they brought to the auction was one
that they alread had a deposit on, they had meant to bring a littermate.
They hadn't been marking the pups and I think they still don't; some
people just don't learn from their mistakes!
 
BTW:  how do you (cindy & liza) feel about donating pups to organization
like DU (ducks unlimited) to sell at auction?
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: mailmen and dogs
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1992Aug25.103425.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>We have two dogs so he does not use the spray to cause harm just to protect
>himself against possible attack.  The problem for the mailman is, they never
>know which is friendly and which is not.  If they wait and not have the mace
>"at the ready" and the dog bites them, what happens from their supervisor will
>be worse than what the dog does.  Of course, that does not mean the mailman in
>the original post should have sprayed the dog.  It sounds like he was one of
>the
>"mean" people who don't take the time (dog in fenced yard and he still sprays)
>to get to know the dog.  Just a hi how ya doing, is all it takes sometimes.

a mailcarrier once waved a can of mace in my dog's direction while glaring at
 me(he didn't spray though).  his was sitting in a post office jeep parked by
the side of the road, about 15 feet from the sidewlak where i was walking my 
dog past on a very short lead.  molly was upset by traffic noises, paying no 
attention to him, and pulling in the dircetion away from him.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Weight Pulling
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:35:52 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Aug27.201219.5415@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:
>
>p. s. I wouldn't really call a Kerry Blue Terrier a toy, I don't know
>      the exact size but they're one of the largest terriers.

	According to my chart, the KBT averages 35 lbs. and 18 inches.

				 Sandra Augustine
				 Norwood Kennels
From: johnson@hplred.HP.COM (Renee Johnson)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:08:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Invisible Urine Spots Revealed!
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

    Don -
     
     I think the product your looking for is called Natures Miracle.
     I have used it in the past and it worked great.  As far as 
     getting "old" spots out, I don't know how effective it would
     be.  Check your local pet and feed shop and read the label.
     I believe the product has an 800 number to call so you may
     want to ask them directly.

     Good luck with your carpet!
     -Sandie, Emo and Sambuca
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Question for "guard" type dog owners
Keywords: n
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:16:39 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, Inc.

I agree the rottie owner.  Our doberman has been cared for by a dogsitter and
by friends who are zookeepers by profession.  You do need to make sure that
your dog and the sitter are comfortable with each other ... any professional
dog sitter worth their salt will insist on an introductory session with your
dog before the event.

We have found with our dobe that the attitude of the person trying to enter your home has alot to do with whether they will be allowed.  If someone Shannon 
knows comes to the house when we are not home, and acts comfortable about her
and the situation, she will enthusiastically welcome them in.  On the other
hand, if they act hesitant or frightened, she goes into protective mode.  She
has never bitten anyone, but she has startled a few people.
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