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From: KEVIN@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU (Kevin Whyte)
Subject: Re: Is this hunting club legit?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:56:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I recieved some mail today from an organization called "North American
Hunting Club".  I presume its a byproduct of me joining the NRA and
getting on a "list".  They offer a membership and a magazine for 12
bucka month.  That doesn't seem to be a bad deal.  What makes me
wonder about the legitamacy of the orginization is the promises it
makes.  As a member of the club I will be take part in evaluating
products which will be provided and then allowed to keep the products
for free.  Some of the types of products listed include clothing and
guns.  Yup, thats right, said I could evaluate guns and keep then
afterwards.  At that point my too good to be true light began flashing
in the corner of my eye.  So what's the verdict?  Is this a legit
organization?

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	**Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
"Still, the best augers are those who divine from the portents of the past. 
They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook



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From: prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: truck advice
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:58:15 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
   ...
   his ATV on a trailer on the back of his truck, and turned around
   and put the trailer on the hitch on the back of the ATV.  I don't
   have one yet, but I was sold on them that day!  Put a small wench
                                                               ^^^^^
   on it, and you have the ultimate in hunting vehicles.

put a small wench on _my_ 4x4 and I'll forget all about hunting!

thing about those ATVs that always bothered me is that they are too
heavy to manhandle around by one man, so how do you change a flat
in the outback?


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Opening weekend // Building deer feeders
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:52:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064557.8001@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   stephen@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Craig Mautner) writes:
 
>Well, my real question for those of you out on the net, is how can I
>construct a feeder that does not require a $50 mechanism to go with it.
>The barrel's that were stolen only cost about $5 each, and they can be
>replaced easily.  However, I am not stupid enough to spend another $50
>for a feeding mechanism, just to have it stolen.
>
>I have heard that there are feeders which dump corn when the wind blows,
>etc, but I have no clue as far as how to build one.  Any advice is welcomed.
 
First, contact the land owner that you leased the place from.  It
should be his job to protect his land from tresspassors, especially if
he is leasing it out to people!
 
 
As for a cheap feeder,  I have a friend that takes a barrel and cuts
a 9" diameter circular hole in it.  In that hole, he inserts a
metal cone that has a large rope tied to the point, with a small
wieght at the other end of the rope.  This wieght is allowed to hang
about 6" above the ground.  Supposedly, the deer will bump the wieght
as they are eating the corn, causing more corn to spill out of the
hole.  A poor ascii drawing looks like this:
 
 
                   |                   |
                   |                   |
                   |                   |
                   |                   |
                   |      \      /     |
                   |_______\    /______|
                            \  /
                             \/
                             |
                             |
                             |
                             |
                             |
                            &&&
                            &&&
 
Hope this helps.
 
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Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |


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From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:45:35 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.

Obviously, option 3 is preferred.  Hence, I am trying to retrain my
eyes so that I will not be limited to the left-eye perspective.  I am
putting a patch over my left eye for short periods of time (one hour)
once or twice each day but have only been doing this for a few days.
It is clear to me that my right eye is lazy since it's difficult to 
focus and see clearly (there are some really interesting physiological
effects when you can only see out of the subordinate eye), hence, I'm 
trying not to overwork it until the focussing muscles are stronger.
Has anyone done this successfully?  Am I going about it wrong? Any tips?

Thanks,
David Basiji
UW Bioengineering


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From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Subject: Re: Correct Protocol for Priv-land Hunting?
Organization: WINCO
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:02:31 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov18.084829.29714@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski) writes:
>	For a few years I have hunted in a hunting party on State
>	land, but just this season I was invited on private land
>	through a friend of a friend situation...
>
>	This may not work out again for next year ... but without
>	literally "knocking down doors of land owners and asking"...
>	what is the correct protocol to search out and get permission
>	from private owners to hunt on their property ...

While I've not actually had to do it, I've given some thought as to what
one could do in this area.  My favorite idea is to solicit early in the
year the owners of land in the area I wanted to hunt.  I'd ask them if
they'd be willing to let me hunt their land in exchange for a day of work
*to be completed before hunting season opened* doing whatever they felt
was fair.  One thing you could offer to do would be to repair damage
done by other hunters in prior years, or just pick up litter.

I know that if I were a landowner, I'd certainly be more willing to let
someone who came at me with this kind of offer to hunt more than someone
who arrives at dawn pounding on my door :-)

Seriously, if you don't just *ask* for something, but offer something in
return, you'll probably get a much better response, and maybe even the
offer itself would be enough.

You're going to have to do some research on who owns the land, of course,
and you could write letters, but I would guess that showing up in person
might get a better response, especially if you are ready to work at that
moment.  Also, try to pick a time when the farmer or rancher is probably
not terribly busy, and don't be pushy.  If they say no, accept that and
thank them for their time.

You'd also be presenting a positive image for the hunting community, 
something we all could use.

---Dale Cook




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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Ted on WRIF
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:49:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Just thought that I would announce that the NugeMeister is going to
be doing is yearly shuffle a little bit late this year.  Due to bow season
commitments at the Outdoors Show in Austin, TX.  Ted is going to be
broadcasting this Thursday and Friday on WRIF 101.1 Detroit from 8-11 AM

Just letting ya'll know - call those friends in Detroit and get them
tape machines a' runnin!

swood

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  Nov. 14   Closing day of Bird season in Michigan and pheasant in zones 2 & 3
  Nov. 14   Closing day of Goose season (U.P. of Michigan)
  Nov. 14   Closing day of early Archery Deer season in Michigan
  Nov. 15   Opening day of Rifle Deer season in Michigan (YES!)


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From: Gregory.Dilley@EBay.Sun.COM
Subject: Wilderness First Aid Class
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:47:35 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Earthbound Medical Rescue is the current Wilderness Medicine training
contractor for the Department of the Interior, Geological Survey.

Earthbound is holding their winter session Wilderness Medicine class
and workshop on Dec. 5 & 6 at Alum Rock Park in San Jose, CA from 8:30
to 5:00.  The cost is $100.00.

No prerequisite is required, however prior first-aid training is helpful.
Participants will be provided a list of pre-class study subjects.

A certificate of completion will be given upon completion of the class.
The curriculum is the same that is currently being taught to the field
personnel from the Geological Survey. The class will be a combination of 
lecture, demonstration and hands-on practicals and scenarios. This class 
is designed to provide participants with a focussed working knowledge and
skills in first-aid required to provide care for those injured or ill
hours or days away from communications with emergency medical services
or care by a physician.

Registration should be completed by Nov. 27th. Checks should be made 
payable to:

Earthbound Medical Rescue
390 N. 12th st.
San Jose, CA
95112

For further information call 408/275-9542.





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From: hunter@s07.es.llnl.gov (Steve Hunter 423-2219)
Subject: re: cross dominance
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:15:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	My dad is right handed and left eyed also. For target
shooting, he puts a small piece of "scotch tape" on his glasses right
where he looks through when aiming. The tape obscurs the vision enough
to allow the right eye to become dominant when looking in that
direction. When looking through any other pert of the lens, the left
eye can still be dominant. Do not use masking tape or any other opaque
tape because it is too distracting.

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From: bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski)
Subject: Correct Protocol for Priv-land Hunting?
Organization: University at Buffalo
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:48:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello

	For a few years I have hunted in a hunting party on State
	land, but just this season I was invited on private land
	through a friend of a friend situation...

	This may not work out again for next year ... but without
	literally "knocking down doors of land owners and asking"...
	what is the correct protocol to search out and get permission
	from private owners to hunt on their property ...

Thanks in advance.

Paul.

	 


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From: palmer@icat.larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer)
Subject: Re: Pro-hunting Groups
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:58:40 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott) writes:

>	I have recently been feeling compelled to join and support some 
>type of pro-hunting sportsmans group such as Izaak (sp?) Walton League,
>Ducks Unlimited, NRA, or such. I'm not really familiar with any of these
>groups but I know that I don't agree with some of the NRAs positions, 

Before writing off the NRA, I suggest you find out exactly what their
positions *ARE*, from *THEM* and not from Newsweek magazine.  At that
point you can decide whether you agree or disagree with them.

The media have done a wonderful job distorting all gun-related issues.
For example, see the previous post by Mary Otto (?) about her confusion
concerning "Assault Weapons."  And she was pro-hunting to begin with!
Please, get the facts first, then decide.

-- 
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Voice: 804-864-2044,   FAX: 804-864-7793,   Email: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: mikef@bvc.edu
Subject: Hunting Companions Sought
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:58:22 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

As I believed I messed up my first attempt, let me try again.

I will be in the Grinnell, Iowa vicinity for the T-Giving holiday and am 
looking for hunting locations.  Any advice or offers would be welcome.  Am 
having great pheasant success near Jefferson, Iowa in set-aside land, 
although it is surrounded on all sides by unpicket corn.  I would be 
willing to host others on this land in exchange for your hospitality 
elsewhere.  Count on me to be the safest, most law-abiding hunter in your 
party.

Mike


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Subject: Like a Stick in the Mud!
Organization: Utah State University
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:17:37 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	I was reading in the local paper and came across a story that
might hold some interest (and entertainment value) here.
	Appearantly two friends were duck hunting somewhere on the
Benson Marina ( Wetlands here where the Bear River and Logan River
join).  Hunter "A" shot himself a duck, dropping it out in the
reeds/marsh, surrounded by water.  "No Problem!" he probably thought
and proceeded to work towards the duck.  He was wearing hip waders,
but the water/mud depth was pushing them to their limits.  It was at
this inappropriate time that the mud came alive and seized him,
holding both boots fast.  "(Fill these quotes with your own
appropriate foul language)"
	He called for his friend, who immediately came to try and
help.  It's kind of like having someone fall through the ice, you
can't just walk out there and get them, unless you want to share in
their experience.  So hunter B decides to go for help.  He flagged
down a ride to a house where he called the police.  (A True Friend
would have called the local paper first, thinking of this marvelous
photo oppertunity) Anyway, 3 1/2 hours later Hunter A was pulled from
the mud.  If I read correctly, his boots are still standing there,
preparing to become a fossil for future generations to discover.
	The article failed to mention the more important things, like
how many flights of ducks flew overhead while he was stranded those 3
1/2 hours.  My luck would have called for Geese, but then again, I'm
not dumb enough to hunt ducks without a dog.  We never found out if he
managed to get any more ducks while pretending to be a natural blind,
nor if he ever retrieved the original duck.  Shoddy reporting, I must
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From: rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler)
Subject: Re: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:46:11 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064535.7966@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
|> 
|> I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
|> 

David,
	I have the same exact problem only I don't shoot many rifles
but I do get in a fair bit with a shotgun.  When I first started I
tried a number of different methods(including trying to pull my left
eye over the stock).  I am now completely comfortable shooting right
handed with my left eye closed.  Some folks will tell you that cuts
out depth perception and a large field of view but I really don't
worry about all of that.  I think looking down the barrel tends to
give me back the depth perception.  I'd like to be able to use all of
this for an excuse for when I have missed but I don't really believe
it to be true.



>I am trying to retrain my
>eyes so that I will not be limited to the left-eye perspective.  I am
>putting a patch over my left eye for short periods of time (one hour)
>once or twice each day but have only been doing this for a few days.

Is this known to work?  I am a bit skeptical.


-- 

Randy Butler :-{)
NCSA


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From: X043MC@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Mike Couch)
Subject: Hunting laws/rules in Illinois
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:46:39 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hey folks!
   I was just informed that I'd been VOLUNTEERED to go to Illinois
to spend 4 glorious days with my wife's grandparents in Pontiac
over the Christmas holidays (26 Dec-1 Jan).  My parents-in-law will
be accompanying us.  My father-in-law (Chuck) has told me that we
have about 2000 acres access to go hunting on and I was wondering if
some kind soul could tell me the dates on the Pheasant season there
along with any specific laws/rules that might differ from those here
in my country (Texas) ;-)  Other information that would be greatly
appreciated would be out-of-state licensing fees, types of licenses
available, legal firearms for taking pheasant, any transportation
laws concerning rifles/shotguns on Illinois highways/roads/etc., and
bag/possession limits.  Any and all information would be appreciated.
Please email to address below.  Thanks.
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(409) 845-8388         | that what you heard is not what I meant!


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Another Perspective
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:48:00 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

note to moderator:  I know this is getting away from hunting stuff, but
imho, it does affect the ability of people to hunt.  And it (this post)
doesn't talk about the morality of hunting/guns, just the future
possibility of people to particpate.  Please let me know if you plan
on *not* posting this so that I can send it to Mary personally.
 
 
In article <1992Nov13.075034.24057@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
 
>So, like a lot of other uninformed people, I *was* scared by the look
>(appearance) of "assault rifles".  But now I know the facts, and I
>would have to say that I would be opposed to a ban, a reversal of my
>previous position.
 
At least you have the guts and intelligence to know when you are being
hoodwinked.  Most people are too stubborn to admit it and change
their position.  (btw:  i also used to be on the "wrong" side of
this issue until someone explained it to me).
 
 
>So, maybe the NRA should run a Ross Perot-style infomercial on the real
>story to educate the public.
 
just 2 problems:
1)  the networks probably would refuse to run them.  I'm sure that
    the NRA would like to run *some* commercials during primetime on
    the major networks, but have heard (is this true) that they refused
    to take their (the NRA's) money.
 
2)  the cost.  Ross Perot dumped what, $60 million into those few
    infomercials?  I'm not sure how many he ran, but I'm willing to
    bet that they cost several million apiece.  I'm not sure that
    would be money wisely spent by the NRA.
 
One thing I would like to see the NRA develop, would be a college
scholarship program for pro-gun/pro-hunting journalists.  Of
course, getting these folks jobs in an anti-hunting maketplace
after graduation might prove to be difficult, but it would be a
start.
 
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Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |


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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Re: Pro-hunting Groups
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:58:50 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov13.075130.24279@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott) writes:
>
>	I have recently been feeling compelled to join and support some 
>type of pro-hunting sportsmans group such as Izaak (sp?) Walton League,
>Ducks Unlimited, NRA, or such. I'm not really familiar with any of these
>groups but I know that I don't agree with some of the NRAs positions, 
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	I won't touch this one, but I imagine someone will.

	stuff deleted about not knowing who to join: 
	One group that you might want to consider is the
	Boone & Crockett Club. They support hunting and 
	wildlife conservation without being too narrow
	in their views. They may not support fishing or
	bird hunting directly but if they help the habitat...
	For $25/yr you can be an associate member. Being such
	you receive discounts to various books, painting, etc.
	and an informative quarterly newsletter (~35 pgs long)
	with some recent trophy pictures and hunting stories
	included. For more info write:
		Boone & Crockett Club
		241 South Fraley Blvd.
		Dumfries, VA  22026
	or call 703-221-1888
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From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Subject: KS Pheasant opener not very good
Organization: Kansas State University
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:46:56 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Last weekend was the opener for pheasants in Kansas, and it was not
very successful for most hunters.  We hunted in Russell county with 13
hunters and 3 dogs, but only managed to bag 6 pheasants.  Compared to
last year when we had 28 birds and two years ago we had our best year
ever with 48.  Those years I believe we only had 12 hunters, but can't
remember for sure.  Of course, we did miss a few that we should have
got, but the pheasant population is obviously down.  Alot of milo
still hadn't been cut, which I'm sure did not help our situation, but
shouldn't have made this drastic a difference.  One positive note
though is that the Quail population in Kansas is coming up a little.
We got 20 quail, without really making a real strong effort to find
them, mostly happened upon them while looking for pheasants.  Have not
talked to anyone so far with a group larger than 4 that managed to get
more than one bird a piece in this general area of the state.  Did
anyone else do much better?

-- 
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