HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thomsonj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (James Thomson)
Subject: System 7.1 Benchmarks
Summary: System 7.1 - Just Say No!
Keywords: 7.1 Benchmarks Mac System
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:07:31 GMT

Here are the values I obtained using Speedometer on my LCII, before and after
fitting an FPU under 7.0.1 with TuneUp 1.1.1 and then after installing 7.1.

System          7.0.1      7.0.1 + FPU  7.1 + FPU

Math Rating     5.20       12.12        6.77

KWhet           6.18       21.86        8.36
Dhry            2.39        2.69        2.66
Towers          2.39        2.52        2.55
Quicksort       3.28        3.43        3.32
Bubble Sort     4.28        4.60        4.60
Queens          3.72        4.36        4.36
Puzzle          8.33        4.57        4.65
Permute         3.31        3.68        3.68
Fast Fourier    4.12       12.71        5.45
FP Matrix       4.30       12.77        5.45
Int Matrix      4.65        3.88        3.85
Sieve           4.53        4.83        4.83
Bench Ave       3.90        6.82        4.48

FPU FFT         -           1.13        1.13
FPU KWhet       -           1.22        1.21
FPU Matrix      -           1.23        1.24
FPU Ave         -           1.19        1.20

/* The pre-FPU rating was done with a previous version of Speedometer so, like
the program says, some results may be a bit off - the Puzzle rating is an
example of this I think */

My own quick tests (time taken for a million math operations using the FPU
directly versus time taken for the same calculations via SANE) also seem to
back
up these results.

7.0.1       545 ticks via FPU vs 5566 ticks via SANE
7.1         545 ticks via FPU vs 12010 ticks via SANE

This certainly implies that OmegaSANE is not present in 7.1, or is no longer
as
effective, at least in the case of the LCII. I suggest you 'try before you
buy',
and see if you get similar results.

Personally, I'm staying at 7.0.1. - the advantages of System 7.1 at the
moment (for me, the Fonts folder is about it) don't outweigh the loss of
performance, not to mention the cost of upgrading. Shame!

James Thomson

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From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr)
Subject: QuicKeys problem? Keyboard sticks temporarily
Summary: Keyboard sticks temporarily ; possible QuicKeys problem?
Keywords: quickeys mac
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:30:47 GMT

I have a persistent keyboard problem that I think might be related to
QuicKeys, but I want to check first with other QuicKeys users.

I'm using QuicKeys 2.1.2a. In at least two applications (Eudora and
tn3270) the keyboard periodically sticks: it suddenly stops responding
to keystrokes. I can unstick it easily by jiggling a cursor key; it
responds, e.g., to a left-arrow key, so if I hit left-arrow and right-arrow
in succession, I can then continue typing. (Any keystrokes I entered
after it stuck are lost.) If I turn QuicKeys off, it
doesn't happen. It happens infrequently enough and unpredictably enough
that simple experiments with my extensions are not very practical.
Has anyone else seen this behavior?
--

Stan Kerr
Computing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana
Phone: 217-333-5217  Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu

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From: thomsonj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (James Thomson)
Subject: OmegaSANE in 7.1 - IT LIVES!!!
Summary: I have it! OmegaSANE running under 7.1
Keywords: OmegaSANE 7.1 Hack
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:28:13 GMT

Contrary to my previous posting - OmegaSANE is present in system software 7.1
but it is not active (on my LCII at least - I suspect this is for
compatibility
reasons; the LCII doesn't have an FPU socket, so OmegaSANE doesn't activate -
but I have an FPU card, so this is a Bad Thing ;-).

If you have experienced a loss of SANE power, read on...

First a caveat, this works for *me* - this is a quick hack! However, it
increases the speed of floating-point math by more than a factor of two on
my set up with 7.1 so I am prepared to do it. No guarentees are given.

Open up the System file with ResEdit. Locate the ROv# resources.
These resources control which resources in ROM are over-ridden by resources
stored in the system file. The LCII has ROM version 1660, so we alter
ROv# ID 1660 - this may be different for other Macs, you can find the version
using TattleTale or somesuch.

So, open ROv# ID 1660 in the System and add the following resources to the
list:

 TYPE   : PACK
 ID     : 4

 and

 TYPE   : PACK
 ID     : 5

These resources in the system file will now be used in place of the ones in
the ROM of the LCII. It just so happens that these are the OmegaSANE versions
of the math packages. Now save the system, restart and check it out with your
favourite SANE math benchmarks. I may be wrong about the details of *why*
this works and I'm sure Apple will disagree but it works for me. Call me
irresponsible for posting this if you like...

So could Apple be trying to discourage people adding FPUs to 'low-end' Macs?
Or maintaining compatibility? Discuss...

Mail me if you have any problems - or if it actually works on your Mac too!

James Thomson - thomsonj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk

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From: thomsonj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (James Thomson)
Subject: Re: OmegaSANE in 7.1 - IT LIVES!!!
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:25:21 GMT

Well, almost....

Okay, in my initial amazement at getting OmegaSANE running under 7.1 I
neglected to check a few of the details. Don't get me wrong, I still have
got OmegaSANE running under 7.1; the bottom line is still the same!

However, OmegaSANE is not naturally present in the 7.1 System - unless of
course like me, you installed 7.1 on top of 7.0.1. As well as preserving
your Fonts, Sounds and Desktop Pattern, it seems the 7.1 Installer also
preserves OmegaSANE.

So when I opened up 7.1 with ResEdit after installing it and found the
OmegaSANE resources I guess I made a wee assumption... Sorry! Cold fusion
anyone?

However, it *does* appear to work. I will investigate further and post again
when I am sure of all the details.

James Thomson - thomsonj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:29:36 HKT
From: R12563@PACCVM.corp.mot.com

TO: Info Mac     (INFOMAC)
FR: Patrick Kwok (R12563)
DA: 14 Dec 92 at 23:26:41


RE: Racel InterLan EtherTalk driver

Do anyone know where can I find the Racel InterLan EtherTalk card
for Macintosh driver?

Regards,
PatrickKwok
r12563@paccvm.sps.mot.com

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From: myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: Gopher and Email access to UMICH-archives implemented
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:16:19 -0600
Organization: We're from the government, ma'am
Expires: 90 days
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: another way to get to the archive....
Keywords: gopher, mac, archive, shareware, publicdomain


I'm pleased to announce that you can now retrieve files from our
archives on MAC.ARCHIVES.UMICH.EDU by EMAIL and by GOPHER requests.

  
We have just been added to the list of Archive sites on the University of
Minnesota Gopher server.  Also, you can connect to U-Michigan's Gopher
server (port 70 of "gopher.uis.itd.umich.edu"...  check the section
"special topics").  We would actually prefer that you files this way instead
of with FTP (as Gopher is stateless and doesn't need to maintain a connection
while you are looking at directories/files).  There is no quota on the
number of files/connections via Gopher.

If you don't have AFS, Gopher or FTP access, we invite you to try out
our mail server.  To get introduced to it, just send the command "help"
(in the message text, not the subject line) to the address
"mac@mac.archive.umich.edu".  There is a quota of 5 files or 1000K per day
(files over 1000K can be retrieved by specifying "parts".. directions are
in the help file).

The #1 preferred way for you to retrieve files is via AFS, if you have
access.  If you do have access to AFS, it is highly suggested that you
make a link in your AFS home directory to our archive (which lives in
/afs/umich.edu/group/itd/archive/mac), and then you can ftp/Fetch to
your machine directly (which would save our ftp machine some cpu).
If you don't have AFS access and you want to find out more about it,
read the "00doYOUhaveAFS" file on the top level of the archive.
  
And if you would like to be on our mailing list of recent files (this is
the same list that is posted to  COMP.SYS.MAC.DIGEST  once a week or so),
you can send me e-mail at "MAC-RECENT-REQUEST@MAC.ARCHIVE.UMICH.EDU".
  
If you have any questions... please feel free to e-mail us at
"QUESTIONS@MAC.ARCHIVE.UMICH.EDU".
  
Thanks a lot for helping us to evangelize the Mac world!

-----------------------------------------------------------------
myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu = usermyke@umichum.bitnet = myke@umich.edu
mike@mac.archive.umich.edu = MISTER archive
Michael Dautermann - U-M Ann Arbor, Dearborn and, soon.. the world!

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.announce:217 comp.sys.mac.misc:20880
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: SUIT 2.3, An easy-to-learn GUI toolkit
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:03:10 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu
Summary: a brief summary, with reference pointer to full article

			Moderator's Note

	I had rejected Matt Conway's (very detailed) article (describing SUIT
	and how to obtain it with FTP) for posting to the announce group, but
	offered to post a brief summery.  For more details, pleasy follow the
	pointer in the References-header of this articles to one posted to
	comp.sys.mac.misc.


			Summary of SUIT

	SUIT is described as a "Simple User Interface Toolkit, developed at
	the University of Virginia; a standard library of GUI screen components,
	it allows *interactive layout* and specification of user interfaces even
	while the application runs. SUIT is portable.

	Programs using SUIT are written in ANSI-C. Currently, SUIT runs on:

>	* UNIX/X platforms: SPARC, SGI, IBM RS/6000, DECSTATION, Sun3
>	* Color Macintosh & Macintosh Powerbooks
>	* DOS 5.0
>	* MS-Windows 3.1

	SUIT, including all its source code, is available without charge to
	Universities and other non-profit institutions.  For-profit
	organizations can purchase SUIT site licenses for a hefty fee,
	single-CPU licenses as well are currently "being thought about".

	For more infor, contact:	suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu 

	For evaluation purposese, SUIT is available with anon FTP
	(finger suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu provides the info also):


			Short Instructions For Wizards:

>	anonymous ftp to 128.143.8.100 
>	cd pub/suit/demo/{sparc,dec,etc}  <----- your platform type here
>
>	get README
>	get demo.sui
>	get demo 	 (on DOS & MS windows, this is demo.exe)
>
>	remember to use binary transfer
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: kucharsk@Solbourne.COM (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: Outbound Lays Off 50 of 60 Employees
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:37:32 -0600
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Outbound Closes...


I just thought I would forward this information:

It may come as no surprise to you, but Outbound, located in Boulder, CO, has
all but closed its doors.  After having been successful against Apple's
Portable Mac but being trounced by the Powerbooks, Outbound simply ran out of
cash and has laid off 50 of its 60 employees.

Don't panic, though, as this isn't another Ehman/Jasmine situation.  They're
doing everything possible to NOT declare bankruptcy.  They're going to try to
pay all creditors, and they're also in the process of arranging for third party
support of their products.

A skeleton crew is still in place, so if you call someone will still most likely
answer the phone.
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed above
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: darmstrong@oryx.com (David Armstrong)
Subject: Re: What is Intercon Worldlink?
Keywords: Intercon	
Reply-To: darmstrong@oryx.com (David Armstrong)
Organization: Oryx Energy Company, Resource Mapping
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:13:20 GMT


Send E-mail to sales@intercon.com and they will be glad
to send you information.   Basically, if I understand
correctly, it is a dialup connection to the Internet.
For specific details though, contact Intercon at the above
E-mail address.   They are very good about answering.
I have their product TCP/Connect II Extended and I am very 
pleased with this product.

David.


----------------------------------------------------------
| darmstrong@oryx.com                  Oryx Energy Company         |
| (David Armstrong)                       13155 Noel Road                  |
|  214-715-8452                            Dallas, TX  75240-5067     |
|                                                                   U.S.A.                   |
|          (my opinions are my own and not my employer's)           |          
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From: starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Low Cost E-mail
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: tosh!starta@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (John Starta)
Organization: Phoenix, AZ

MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes:

> dfisher@aero.org (donald fisher) writes:
> 
> >Does anyone know of a low cost e-mail package for an appletalk (primarily
> >localtalk over phonenet) and ARA network with less than 10 nodes? The best
> >would be peer-to-peer based since I don't want to dedicate a mac for just
> >e- mail (though a partially dedicated mac+ would be okay).
> 
> Casady & Greene (I'm pretty sure they have an 800 number) recently released
> such a package. I have no experience with it, but it looks quite
> interesting on paper.

You can reach Casady & Greene at 800-359-4920 or 408-484-9228.

john

-- 
John Starta                                  tosh!starta@enuucp.eas.asu.edu
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"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: 'comp.sys.mac.mactcp' newsgroup?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:28:34 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


In article <1992Dec16.180946.3380@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> (comp.sys.mac.comm), robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) writes:
> The real question is: is there enough MacTCP traffic to warrant a
> separate newsgroup? I don't think so; I think comp.protocols.appletalk
> has been doing a splendid job. While I agree in principle with EMV, I
> don't think we need _that_ narrow a newsgroup. I'd vote for
> comp.protocols.tcp-ip.mac, though.

There is enough traffic, and definitely enough interested individuals.


tim endres - time@ice.com

Register your company in the Internet Business Pages!
 ...send email to "ibp-info@msen.com" for details...

USENET - a slow moving self parody... ph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: chipp@.uucp (Chipp Kuldell)
Subject: Re: Mac/PC Remote Control?
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:38:31 GMT

Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer) writes:

>Are there any Macintosh remote-control applications that are compatible
>with PC Anywhere, CO/SESSION, Carbon Copy or whatever for PC's?
>I'd like to be able to call into my PC at work and control it using my
>Mac at home.  (In theory this should be faster than using Soft PC, since
>the PC itself is doing the processing.)

>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca     "Life isn't just, life just is."
>         a2251@mindlink.bc.ca              -- Me  (I think.)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

Farallon Computing Inc., (510) 596-9100, has just announced
Timbuktu for Windows 1.0.  It allows you to control a Windows 3.0a
or later, DOS 3.1 or later 286 (or greater) from a mac.  Call them
and they'll fax you the info, or look in MacWeek 12.07.92 or Lan
Times 12.07.92 for articles.

-- 
                                                         )))/////
Chipp Kuldell                                           (  o  o  )
chipp%melpar@uunet.uu.net                                |  <   |
E-Systems, Melpar Division  Falls Church, VA              \ == /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Compuserve <--> Internet ?
From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:08:55 -0500
X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version

rw> To send mail to compuserve ID 1234,5678 an Internet user would use the
rw> address: 1234.5678@compuserve.com
rw> 
rw> How does a compuserve user send mail to the Internet ?

Like this: (">" symbol included)

      >INTERNET:user@machine.destination.zone

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: cheilek@famine.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Alan Cheilek)
Subject: Re: Using TCP via ARA
Summary: Does it do header compression?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:00:28 GMT

In article <veizades-111292101807@kip-5.apple.com> veizades@apple.com (John Veizades) writes:
>In article <werner-111292081034@128.32.157.31>, werner@soe.berkeley.edu
>(John Werner) wrote:
>> Does anyone have any experience with this scenario, i.e. using MacTCP over
>> an ARA connection on v.32bis modems?
>
>I have been doing this for well over a year using a variety of Macintoshes.
> I find that file transfers are done at about full modem speed (8000
>bits/sec) on a 9600 baud modem.  
>
>You should use MacTCP 1.1.1 since it incorporates several bug fixes to make
>this senario work well.  MacTCP in general is aware of ARA connections ...
>
>John Veizades...
>Apple Computer, Inc.
>MacTCP Lead Engineer

Summary says it all.  If one uses, say SLIP, then most software will
do IP header compression.  This is a big win interactive use (small
packets), less of a difference for, say, ftp (large packets).  Is ARA
TCP aware, so as to do some form of header compression?  It seems that
there two layers of headers in this scenario, and while I know that
ARA compresses the Appletalk headers (this is a big part of its job),
will it do the same for encapsulated IP packets?  John?

Also, on a PB100, will the CPU keep up with a v32bis modem, while
running MacTCP over ARA?

Thanks,
-Alan
-- 
Alan Cheilek
cheilek@famine.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:12243 comp.protocols.appletalk:4258
From: creiman@netcom.com (Charlie Reiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: 'comp.sys.mac.mactcp' newsgroup?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:53:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

time@ice.com (Tim Endres) writes:


>In article <1992Dec16.162734.18373@bcrka451.bnr.ca> (comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk), tref@bcrka450.bnr.ca (Francois Tremblay) writes:
>> > A quick nngrep for 'mac' give me the following list, editted to remove
>> > the irrelevant stuff:
>> > 
>> 
>> Yes, this is getting out of hand, I vote to reduce the number of groups  
>> and get people to use efficient news reader.

>And WHY should I get news delivered to my machine that I DON'T want?!

New newgroups will not suddenly make irrelvant, pointless, and silly
postings go away. They are here to stay. 

>Having kill files and efficient readers is all fine and dandy if you're
>sitting on a megabit pipe to the Internet. Other, less casheous,
>individuals pay for bandwidth. Proper refinement of groups is a big
>advantage for a number of reasons, although I grant that a high level
>of cross posting is an unfortunate side-effect.

If you feel USENET's S/N ratio is intollerable then don't pay for it.
I agree that folks with UUCP connections are having a hard time. I don't
see how creating new newsgroups will gain you anything; in fact I can
argue that it will make the situation worse.

Suppose you have a newsgroup alt.dust. Some dustbunny fan decides he's
sick of reading about dustballs. He posts a comment to that effect, and
(since we're in alt land here) a new group appears before you can grab
your Hoover. Now, we have alt.dust and alt.dust.bunnies.

Alt.dust is now pretty much dedicated to dustballs since all the dust-
bunny fans have left. It no longer really fits the title of alt.dust,
but that's the way the USENET tends to devolve. Along comes a general
fan of dust. This is a open-minded dust fan; he loves all dust
equally.  So he subscribes to both alt.dust and alt.dust.bunnies.

What our intrepid dust lover will discover is parallel discussions.
What was once a single thread about dust under refrigerators is now two
almost identical threads in alt.dust and alt.dust.bunnies. Even more
telling is that the same dust experts will post to both groups.

The moral of the story is: If alt.dust spaws of alt.dust.bunnies,
then bandwidth in alt.dust will go down. However, total bandwidth
of alt.dust and alt.dust.bunnies is substantially more than
alt.dust alone.

And it's still just dust, no matter how much you split it up. The S/N
ratio won't change, and you'll end up with more crud to wade through
than before.

Rebuttals invited.

-- 
Charlie Reiman
creiman@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Ben Burch <Burch_Ben@wes.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Hermes Backdoor
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:50:53 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753696EEE04B081@129.176.188.129.in-addr.arpa>
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.232534.22304@muddcs.claremont.edu> Frank Price,
wprice@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>would actually believe this kind of thing is really incredible.  Hermes 
>has never had a backdoor, and it never will.

In fact, this backdoor does not exist.  I got the original file, Xs
replaced by the "actual data" and that does not work as advertised.  I
disassembled the program, and looked at everything in Hermes and Hermes
Shared with RedEdit, and the alleged backdoor simply does not exist. 
Period.  This was a spurious allegation.  (As for whether one ought
to believe it, Frank, one ought to treat all such threats as though
they were true until one can prove otherwise.)

-Ben Burch
From: rudolph@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher E Rudolph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: SupraFax and Modem inits?
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:00:24 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Summary: I need a good modem init for the Suprav32bis modem to transfer binhex f
Keywords: supra fax modem init


Hello,

I just purchased a SupraFax v32bis modem (nice machine) and would like to
know what success people have had with init strings for transfering BinHex
files from a SunSPARC server and a Macintosh.  At the moment I am only
getting about 17,000 baud with run compression.  The connection is made at
57600 to another v32.bis modem on the server.

Is this the highest rate I should expect or can I do better.  I note that
when the server retreives files from remote sites to the local site it
acheives about 37,000 baud transfer rate.

Pardon my ignorance if this is a FAQ or sounds dumb, but I am new to all
the compression standards being a simple 2400 baud junkie.

any help is appreciated.

Chris Rudolph <rudolph@unixg.ubc.ca>
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