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From: cs331109@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs331109)
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:33:21 GMT

I disagree that you can't go wrong with modern C compilers.  I've tried many of the ST compilers and I am yet to find ONE that will compile ANSI standard source code.  I'm learning C in school, and I use a UNIX compiler.  I've tried Mark WIlliams, Lightspeed C, Madmax c (or whatever), and am currently trying to get GNU C and/or Szobon C to work.  If anyone DOES know of an ANSI/UNIX c compiler please let me know what it is.


Jim

PS:   is anyonedoing anything exciting with MGR and/or UNIX?  I've been working on getting icons into MGR and I'm working with Sun workstations at school so.... e mail me.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:7341 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:2710
From: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de (B.E.Heinen)
Reply-To: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Archivers
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:10:44 MET
Organization: The Icemark

In <1992Apr10.105735.8189@sci.kun.nl>, V.G.J.M. Stoks writes:
>Could somebody give me his/her opinion about the best archiver for the
>ST? Is is LHarc, Arc 6.x, Zoo 2.1? XLHarc? I will probably want to use
>it under MiNT as well as under TOS. I suppose I could go home and pack
>my HD with every one of them and see which archive is the smallest,
>but I reckon somebody must have done a similar thing already.

Zoo 2.1 shows (together with LHarc 2.0*) the best compression rates. LHarc
is a bit faster as zoo, but has some bugs which could leave you with defective
archives...
So I normally use zoo, (for it has the advantage of using the GNU-UNIXMODE,
too) but I have all archivers on my harddisc - even I only use them to depack
archives I get and repack them with zoo afterwards...

  Benedikt
  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:02:39 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr15.134800.40129@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives) writes:
> I'm glad this thread has come up. I hope we can keep it going for a while.
> It is obvious that we all have something to learn. Making the right 
> choice is getting harder. There probably is no right choice now.
> 
> My two bits.
> 
> I am as confuse as others. I use Wordflair II as much as I can. But I revert
> to Wordwriter and even STWriter, and Pagestream more than I would like. What's
> great about Wordflair II:
> 	Spell Checker
> 	Integrated graphics and data/math.
> 	The floating data/math regions --You can make letter into Spreadsheet.
> 	FMSGDOS screen text and rewrites
> 
> What's terrible:
> 	Speed of printing to HPLaser (at least on my NEC2-90)
> 	Can't duplicate any of the neat graph/data setups --no templates
> 	One document at a time and no merging
> 	No tagging --Text regions powerful but painstaking 
> 
> What's not so good:
> 	User interface has some funny priorities to what's easier
> 	It still crashes or fails to load some documents at weird times
> 	Seems to hog memory
> 	No Postscript output.
> 
> Mine is a love -hate relationship.
> 
> Wordflair III will be great. 
> Will there be a Wordflair III?
> 
> Again, I have much to learn from the rest of you. So I await more opinions.
> 
> Bob Komives

Does this have the same problem that all GDOS type program have, you
nead 2 lots a fonts, one for the screen and one for the printer,
plus you can't load fonts on the fly, only at run time...!!!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tbrown@mussel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown)
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.144016.1226@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Conan the Barbarian) writes:
>In article <92095.191851EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>

>The price ends up being something like $2500 for the Unix operating system,
>a 130Meg 17ms access time HD.  This is on top of the price of a TT.  It was
>hooked up to a 19 inch monochrome monitor.  I'm not sure if the big screen
>was part of a deal or not.
>

It was $2500!  Please tell me this is a misprint!  If I add the price of a
TT (or even just $800) I could have a NeXT, just a little more and I could
have a NeXTStation Turbo with a 400Mg HD (that's about $4500 ed.).  Of course
at "list" price for the NeXT, the Atari Unix price looks better.

Did they say weather they had the ability to run ST/TT programs in a window
while running UNIX?

>-- 
>John Schmitt
>cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca

Ted Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rickhall@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Richard Scott Hall)
Subject: Language sale update
Summary: GFA Basic is left
Keywords: GFA Basic
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:33:13 GMT

I have sold Lattice C v.5, but GFA Basic 3.5 is
still available with registration card, $75 or
best offer.

-- 
            Richard Hall - University of Colorado at Boulder

                "Life's like holding water in your hands,
                 No grip is tight enough to keep it in." - me
From: cse0507@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Galaxy CAD freeware for Atari STnex
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:41:21 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

>>>    To obtain Galaxy CAD, connect to "eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu" (128.104.38.25)
>>>in directory "pub/galaxy".  The file "README" in that directory
>>>gives further instructions.  Please register as a user by sending
>>>e-mail to "beetem@engr.wisc.edu".
>
> So far I've used up 3.5MB of disk space..
> The program that handles the GEM stuff for Galaxy CAD is horrible
> {meaning -BUGGY} on my 1040STf w/2.5mb ram. half the time the mouse
> disappears so I haven't been able to try anything out. Seems to
> work... I think. Hard to tell......
> 
> If anybody can get it running, I'd like to know how....
> -Andy-

So would I.  The program double-bombs at bootup after trying to open a non-
existent GEM handle (I think).  I'm running with six megs, so memory ain't a
problem.  I peeked in the resource file...absolutely no clues what this program
even does!  I'm going to have a Mac friend get it for his IIcx, and we'll 
investigate this sucker.
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From: jww@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W. Wine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari European market share
Summary: oui oui Atari
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:07:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.200759.13233
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa

A recent DataMonitor report regarding the European computer market
shows that Atari is more than holding its own against bigger counter-
parts.  They actually beat the likes of IBM and Apple in France and
Germany!  It shows that the strategy of prioritizing Atari's resources
in Europe was a smart maneuver resulting in their status there as an
established manufacturer of mainstream machines.  Although U.S. (and
I guess New Zealand :-) Atari users might have chafed under the "Euro-
domination" policy, it seems to me that with the Falcons winging in
low and fast over the horizon, everyone will win in the long run.

The development of the STBook portable and the Falcon computers
proves that Atari's (and Eric Smith's) R&D is A&W (alive and well)!
In light of their proficiency at selling computers in Europe,
the claim that Atari's marketing is inherently bad is disproven
as well.  In fact, ever since they hired people that were deve-
lopers and hardcore users of Atari systems, they have become
more responsive to our wishes than most other companies.

This was the breakdown in percentage of units sold by country:

England             France              Germany             Italy
--------------      --------------      --------------      --------------
Compaq    14.0      Compaq    13.3      Commodore 15.0      Olivetti  25.0
IBM       14.0      ATARI     10.1      ATARI     13.0      IBM       21.0
Commodore 13.2      Apple      8.5      IBM       11.8      Commodore  7.9
Amstrad    7.8      Amstrad    7.9      Compaq     5.0      Amstrad    5.7
Apple      6.8      IBM        6.6      Amstrad    3.3      Apple      3.5
Olivetti   5.7      Olivetti   4.7      Olivetti   2.4      ATARI      2.9
ATARI      5.0      Commodore  3.8      Apple      1.9      Compaq     2.9
Others    38.0      Others    45.1      Others    47.0      Others    31.1


If the 1040/Mega STe and TTs can grab that much market share, then it is
almost certain that something like the 50 Mhz Falcon '030 AVIARI (Audio-
VIdeo And Realtime Interactive) engine will power Atari to the top!


Jack
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: F1GP is out
From: shore@equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 00:27:50   M
Organization: The Equinox Network CHCH NZ (Node 2)
Keywords: F1GP, Geoff

pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell) writes:

> Yes, Formula 1 Grand Prix has finally been released for the ST. I haven't see
> it yet, but my brother has a copy. Apparently it is very similar to the Amiga
> version except:

Is this the one by Geoff Cramond (sp?), the guy who wrote
 REVS for the BBC??

Does a game exist that is anywhere near as good as REVS on the Atari??

 Craig.

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From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:43:35 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Apr15.230239.23854@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.134800.40129@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives) writes:
>> 	No Postscript output.

     Now I thought FSMGDOS came with a driver for postscript? At least
Bob Brodie said it would when I asked him about it in Chicago.

> Does this have the same problem that all GDOS type program have, you
> nead 2 lots a fonts, one for the screen and one for the printer,
> plus you can't load fonts on the fly, only at run time...!!!

     With FSMGDOS you can load and unload fonts on the fly. And from
what I understand, it has only one font file for each font.

Later.......

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From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Message-Id: <A38686@MS.maus.de>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:28:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

chan@pyramid.unr.edu wrote:

c>With all the talk about TOS 2.06 and the TEC board, there's no word about
c>an upgrade for the first MegaSTe's that came out with TOS 2.05 (possibly
c>earlier TT's too).  The TEC board is for the ST, and STe.
c>
c>Is Atari offering this?  Do I need to  order from them?
c>Is TEC designing something for the MegaSTe?

In Germany, Atari is offering TOS 2.06 for DM 150. Better wait some time for a
new release which will be (hopefully...) less buggy.
I found out that the VDI workstation bug is still present in TOS 2.06.

Regards,
 Patrick
From: Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 13:39:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

re. all the Falcon rumors and the skepticism displayed by many (I feel it
too), the most optimistic thing I have seen on this topic is posts on GEnie
and elsewhere by really knowledgeable hardware folk. Some of these have
quite cynical, from time time, about Atari's future. These folk saw the 
prototypes at the recent Canadian show and are bound by signed non-
disclosure agreements. What they have said is totally nonspecific. However
when a guy who has done some great hardware says he is really impressed and
feels optimistic about Atari's future for the first time in a while, I thin
we may actually be in for a pleasant surprise. Certainly hope so... I use
Macs and IBMs at work and still prefer my ST, would love to see something
we could all really be proud of and be glad to spend our money on come 
out of what I think of as my computer company. (In a weak moment I bought
100 shares of stock :-) in Atari.) Happy bytes, all,
 
 Dave Flory, ALERTsys*Cop
 on GEnie - D.Flory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: GEMulator
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:42:22 GMT

In article <oF4wiB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Does anyone know how much this "GEMulator" will cost and when it will be 
>available here in the states?
><X>orcist

I sent mail to Darek, he said the first orders in will be about $250.00
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:7149 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:2679
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 13:05:59 MES
From: <ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line shorter (at the bottom) -- How?
 <09BViB1w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> <1992Apr8.183228.16145@netfs.dnd.ca>

In article <1992Apr8.183228.16145@netfs.dnd.ca>, rosenqui@ncs.dnd.ca (E.
Rosenquist) says:
>In TT medium-res, Overscan, or any of the 3rd party high-res video
>cards there is plenty of room for everything.

Not to mention that with VDI, you can use a smaller GDOS font (as done in
the GEMINI console window).

___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
JULIAN F. RESCHKE, HENSENSTR. 142, D-W4400 MUENSTER
EMAIL: JULIAN@MATH.UNI-MUENSTER.DE, JR@MS.MAUS.DE
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
From: nelson@kodak.kodak.com (Bruce Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:31:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Apr6.133146.12714
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

It works! It really works!

I played with the Gemulator at Derek's booth at the TAF Show in Toronto
this weekend. It's really impressive. You can even run Xformer on it so
you can run your 8-bit programs on the 486.

It runs multiple ST sessions under MicroSoft Windows. We were running
monochrome PageStream and a color game at the same time.

So far as I could tell, there weren't any ST programs it couldn't run.
Derek had piles of disks from all the developers who were at the show
and was trying them all.

It does have a limitation on not being able to run some copy-protected
disks because there isn't the direct connection between the disk system
and the ST system as on real ST hardware.

Since it needs a real set of TOS roms to run, there is apparently no problem
with Atari Corp. 

Derek said it will sell for somewhere in the $300-$500 range and will 
be announcing general availability within the next several months.

 
-- 
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Rochester Distributed Computer Services | Internet: nelson@kodak.com
Eastman Kodak Company                   |
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From: ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon at Ce-BIT
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:09:23 GMT
	<1992Mar31.174446.5885@infoserver.th-darmstadt.de>
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France
In-reply-to: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de's message of 31 Mar 92 17:44:46 GMT

>>>>> In article <1992Mar31.174446.5885@infoserver.th-darmstadt.de>,
>>>>> wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes: 

> In article <1992Mar30.100202.18648@rivm.nl> mtvfb@tintin.rivm.nl
  (Fokke de Boer) writes: 
>Subject: Re: Developers can get Atari Falcon computers in April?
>
Natuerlich!> Hell, even with 16bit graphics and 8-bit sound at $1500. I AM BUYING!!

Hey, if it comes out this month (or is that '93?) then we should soon
start hearing other stuff than rumors and vaporware....!

My 2 bits worth.

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From: Chuck.Grimsby@p1.f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GFA Basic 2.0 EXEC command
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:15:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tdkt.703527792.F00002


In a message of <Apr 09 12:00>, Keith Bedford (1:282/31) writes:
 >From: keithb@hemel.bull.co.uk (Keith Bedford)
 >Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
 >wagg@zellweger.ch (Georg Wagner) writes:
>In article <702641992.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com>
Chuck.Grimsby@p1.f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby) writes:
>>
>.......some stuff deleted
>>
>>BTW, dump GFA 2.0 and get 3.x.  It's only $150, and the improvements are WELL

>>worth the upgrade fee!
>>  
>Don't do it, GFA is out of the atari market. So there will be no support
>and no updates anymore

 >This could explain why ST Format are giving away GFA Basic 3 (they 
 >promise) with next months issue (beginning of May). Almost worth buying 
 >STFormat for!

The latest version of GFA is 3.5.  Sounds to me as if GFA made a sale on a old 
version.  Probably, as it did when 2.x was 'released' in a magazine, they also 
hope it'll stimulate version 3.5 sales.  GFA sold quite a few version 3.0s 
after 2.x was released!  (After all, you don't get a manual, just the prg.)
  

 * Origin: FlightLine PointNet  (1:282/47.1)
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:47:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <pal.703177751@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:
>
>2. The best C-Compiler I know is Pure-C (former Turbo-C).
>

    I heard a rumor that Gribnif recently got the rights to distribute
the English version of Pure-C.  

Re: PD and Shareware C:  
   The Sozobon C "Heat and Serve" version is said to be very good as well.



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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:47:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr10.014733.1859
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan) says:

>In article <1992Apr3.060928.12218@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@isis.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>>The Atari Falcon '030 are computers for the home and
>>small business.  The Jaguar will be a $200 (about) game
>>machine that is supposed to have a lot of the graphic and
>>CD like sound of the Falcons.  Psgnosis is making killer
>>stuff for the Jaguar now that will make most people choose
>>it over the Nintento, SEGA, NEC..
>
>The Jaguar is supposed to be a 64-bit game machine... (a 32-bit game machine    that was supposed to debut when the Super NES debut, was scrapped so that more
>R & D will go toward the 64-bitter).
>If it is going to have a price tag around $200, then it WILL sell!
>And if Psygnosis is developing already, put my name down!



No, the Panther was suppose to be a 16-bit until it was scrapped for the 
Jaguar (32-bit or 64-bit).  No one really knows.


Len

>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Troy L. Nothnagel)
Subject: Re: Cocktail.lzh -> corrupted?
Reply-To: at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Troy L. Nothnagel)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:36:56 GMT


In a previous article, dinsmm@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Michael John Dinsmore) says:

>Hi there.   I had dl'ed cocktail.lzh from atari.archive.umich.edu
>the other day.  When I had started to try to unLZH it, it gave me
>a bunch of errors...  Anyone ever ues the program and did you have 
>any problems unLZHing it? Thanks.
>

I had the same problem with it.

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at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu                                            
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: : Kiwi attack on Atari/Falcon
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:25:27 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <4752@krafla.rhi.hi.is> adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes:
> In <1992Mar31.142031.1@neptune.kingston.ac.uk> bd_g710@neptune.kingston.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >Concerning the Real machine bit - why a Acorn Archemedes A5000. I have never
> >heard of such a computer, the only Acorn I heard of was a little box like
> >object like the Comm**ore 64 and loveable Spectrum 48. 
> 
> Strange, Acorn is manufactured in the UK, where it has a substantial market
> share (though mainly in the education sector). That you have not heard of the
> Archimedes goes to show that it is not only Atari that have abysmal marketing.
> The Archimedes has been available from 1988 and the A5000 model from 1992. 
> 
> The A5000 spec is quite impressive, as is that of the Atari Falcon. These
> machines have different strong points and different weaknesses, but they are
> both modern systems and worth checking out.
> 
> --
> Adam David.
> (adamd@rhi.hi.is)

Name what is week about the A5000...?? it eats the Falcon and the TT
for breakfast...!! ITS a 32 Bit RISC Machine...and Run Unix, were is
Unix for the Ataries..!!
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***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
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