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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:34:42 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

In article <1gn5juINN78i@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) 
writes:

  >Cute? I don't think so. Come to think of it, giggling is very
  >jevenile behavior in North American culture. Adults rarely giggle
  >in public in Western Culture (unless one can't barely contain
  >oneself for some reason). It is more associated with intimate
  >behavior which shouldn't be demonstrated openly in public.

Heck, I'm open to more than just DWEM culture.  I like wakakute kirei na
onna no hito, expecially when they giggle.  I'm not embarrassed at a
little PDA.  If you are, don't look.

  >Japanese women giggling therefore intensifies a stereotype of
  >Asian Geisha girls whose only raison d'etre is to provide pleasure
  >to men.  I also noticed that Japanese young women incessantly 
  >fiddle with their hair. In the context of Western Culture, that
  >behavior is a deliberate attempt to attract men's attention.

They do a good job.  Picture this:  Big 6'1.5" oriental guy, coat, tie
clean hair cut, and nice shoes in front of Kinkakuji in Kyoto.  Two very
attractive nihonjin gals staring with affection, teasing their hair.
(Think Wink video 8-)). Daijoubuiii-guy turns around, stares back and
grins.  The Wink sisters giggle and cover their mouths.  It's gotta
warm your heart.  Heck, I'm a pretty progressive guy...I can cook,
clean, change diapers, yeah...but going to Japan and meeting people like
that starts me thinking about why I gave up those male chauvinistic
attitudes..:-).  I suggest reading "Iron Joe Bob" by Joe Bob Briggs.
It puts the MAN back into men. 8-).

  >Orthodontics in Japan is the final frontier and a window of
  >opportunities exist in '90s. Bill Clinton should bring it
  >in future trade talks. Imagine how many braces you could sell
  >to Japanese only if they open up their mouths! That should
  >get American steel industry going for a few years.         

But the enzymes in Japanese mouths are incompatible with America steel.
8-).  Japanese who wear American braces might have problems digesting
the America beef they're now importing because the steel has some
Nihonjin dake amylase inhibitors . ;-).

Jaa, James
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From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,misc.education
Subject: Re: education (was: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:34:16 GMT
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	<HARKCOM.92Dec15133424@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
	<BzBBw2.5nu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

In article <BzBBw2.5nu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
   (Brent Irvine) writes:

 =}Yes, but it is certainly negligable when compared to the public school
 =}tuition schemes that have been proposed and implemented in other nations
 =}[like the UK].

   Excusing the problem by comparing it to the problems of other nations
will do nothing towards solving them.  The problems the 'economically
poor' face in regards to education are in no way negligable.  On the
average, these problems seem to contribute the most to the lower quality
of education in the US (when combined with the educational apathy of
that sector)...

 =}Transportation is not a problem, at least in St. Louis, they

   Don't you mean: "Transportation is not a problem in St. Louis..."?
I've been in several school systems in the US (including one in Minnesota
which was ranked pretty high, and one in South Carolina which was ranked
pretty low).  I've also been exposed to many more school systems through
volunteer activities and such.  Every one of these systems had 'bussing
programs' and such for students.  Unfortunately the systems didn't help
those who needed it the most (other than provide a minimum of
transportation to some).  The administrators seemed to understand that
problems existed, but they did not seem to understand the problems...

 =}People quitting before 16, I have never heard of here.

   It is easy when families move around a lot (as most financially
difficult families do).  Records get lost or never get set up...
Records are there but the family can't be found.  The family can be
found, but at the slightest bit of pressure they disappear...

 =}Suspension is temporary [a few days to a week]

   Suspension also varies from system to system.  Suspensions of up to
one year are not uncommon in some cases.  A student who is suspended
beyond the attendence limits can be suspended for the rest of the year
in many school systems...

 =} Expulsion

   Criminal activities are sometimes used as grounds for expulsion of
even those under the age of 16...

Al
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   I will be on vacation from 12/18 - 12/27 and will not be able to
read email during that time.  My company will be on vacation from
12/29 - 1/4 and our news and mail servers will be down during that time...

   Sorry for the inconvenience...
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:37:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <BzDqE6.3nB@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
(Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
>   Although I appreciate the crosstalk between t.p.g., which probably
>represents one of the most American (and the least Japanese) cultures, and 
>s.c.j. and I think that the communication between distant cultures is very 
>important for the mutual understanding, an apprently endless discussion in a 
>closed circuit makes me even suspect that we may not be able to understand 
>each other after all.

I disagree, I think that Japanese and American citizens can have
mutually beneficial communications.  

Here at Toshiba, I work part of the time with a Japanese man who lived
in Arizona briefly.  While he was in Arizona, he was taken to a shooting
range by a friend; he had a lot of fun there.  Recently, I also took a
Japanese engineer to range, along with his girlfriend.  They displayed
very good weapons safety and (grumble, grumble) shot better than I did!

Japan has a unique and interesting culture and learning from it can be
very useful for us.  The United States also has a unique and interesting
culture.  Firearms are part of that culture and, quite frankly, that is
not going to change; that is something that visitors here are going to
have to understand.  However, the overwhelming majority of those weapons
are not used for criminal acts.

I'm sure that our countries can get along...I simply hope that they DO.

    don
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: D O E S A M E R I C A S A Y Y E S T O J A P A N ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 00:38:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf_6yNi00iV2Q0Z7dZ
	<1g82c9INN1lj@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. L-I-U writes:


>Don't get too excited.  I'm not bashing America for the sake of Japanese
>principles.  IMHO, Japan has got a long way to go before I would
>consider it on par with America.  The little things in life, like $1.50


Personally, I get very little attractiveness from either. I really like
N. Vietnam, Loas, Sarawa(as a matter of fact, I proclaim that the native
people of Sarawa(the Iban) to be the most divine people on earth)Zhong
Gou, Hangul and places like these. So, I am not buttering your ass for
this reason ya' know.
I also like the smaller things in life. Ah! A spicy pork and a little
kimchee on the side. The little dragon cakes. Collar greens and souse!
And, recently, A snow shake. Now get this: Get a cop of snow put some
milk in it and some sugar(to taste now, this is a street recipe) and
stir. This is very good! Some neighborhood kids taught me this. Try it!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:43:21 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>  However, let's remember what Yoshi Hattori was. He was an exchange
>student who came to the US to learn English and other American cultures.
>I believe that a part of the responsibility to educate him belonged to the
>side who accepted him. Well, finally, he WAS educated, but the sad fact 
>is that he can never use what he learned any longer.

	The department I am in here at Iowa State has created a "mentor"
program whereby our fairly large number of foreign students and even faculty
work with a "native" American faculty member or student in order to more
quickly adapt to the culture.  These mentorships are generally done on a
volunteer basis, with the two people generally becoming rather fast friends
and spending a fair amount of time together.  Discussion times with both
mentors and classes are encouraged.

	One lecture had the TA ask the class for insight into the last
presidential race and politics in general.  A great deal of information
and opinion was shared by both sides, and nobody seemed to mind that the
lecture didn't cover the material in the syllabus.  In my opinion, those
at .edu sites might wish to mention this to their department heads, and
see if such mentor programs would not be advantagous to both parties.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:55:51 -0500 
From: David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^

The actions taken by the TSU marching band are saddening and reprehensible.
Not only are they showing their own lack of morals, but by behaving in that
manner they lessen the reputation of the US (not that we have a sterling
one anyway, but this makes things worse).

David Hunt
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What's TYMPAS's email address, please?
Keywords: tympas
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:00:43 GMT

gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:

>The subject says it all. I need to contact TYPMPAS regarding connection from
>Osaka.

Osaka 1200 BPS node is 06-271-9029, 2400 BPS node is 06-271-6876.
Enter 'i' after you see CONNECT and log in as 'information'. 

For more information, you might try:

  Network Information Service
  Nihonjisho Daiichi-Bldg.
  1-35 Kudankita 1-Chome, Chiyoda-ku
  Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 102, Japan
  Tel: 03-3262-8844
  Fax: 03-3262-8757

>Also, does anybody know it offers telnet/ftp access and how much it costs?

Not that I know of ... I don't know of any public access for
telnet/ftp. 

Dave

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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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From: spencer@ocsmd.ocs.com (Spencer Hines)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:04:35 GMT

Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec11.165330.3368@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
: >In article <Bz0D9J.4x2@fc.sde.hp.com> fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz) writes:

: *flame on!*
: Thank you very much, that is my generation you are slandering.  Typical
: of the older generation to trash the younger without real evidence.  \
: Much of the hard times you see now are the result, not of *my* generation
: but the boomers and WW2 generation's inability to say "when" with spending
: and trying long term planning.  My generation has the dubious honor of cleaning
: up *your* mess, and to be called a generation of losers for it.  Thanks
: a f*cking lot!
: *flame off!*
: 
The mistake you are making is in thinking that the boomers have been
running the country during the formation of our current problems.  The
country has been ruled by the generation that fought in (not ran)
World War II since Kennedy took office.  This is true pretty much 
in Congress as well as the presidency and in much local government.

I think the generation that *ran* World War II would have been much
more practical and less inclined to believe that the US is automatically
successful and morally right.  Their inheritors were brought up in
an atmosphere in which we were head and shoulders above everybody
else economically (largely because the rest of the world was bombed
back to the stone age) and in which other countries liked our intervention.

They were not part of creating that state of affairs, and I think
took it too much for granted.

I sincerely hope that when the boomers officially take over on
January 20th, they will do a better job than the string of "leaders"
we have had.

Spencer

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From: timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Sexuality of Japanese Girls
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:28:35 GMT
Reply-To: T.Duncan@ed.ac.uk
Organization: AI Applications Institute, University of Edinburgh

In article <723970992.12051.0@unix8.andrew.cmu.edu>, si0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Soshi Iba) writes:
|> I've got this 'furoku' of the magazine infront of me, and it says that 
|> out of 200 females (age 18-24), 174 answered yes and 26 no, to the question - 
|> "have you had sex?"
|> 
|> Interpret this in anyway you want....


This reminds me of a survey I saw a while back (I think it was on shopping
preferences), where in the personal details section, from a representative
sample of 100 Japanese teenagers, to the question "Sex?" 56 replied female, 
43 male, and one who replied "Once, in Yamaguchi-ken".

	-- Tim
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:56:39 MST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a myth at all
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <1992Dec10.171224.7022@ils.nwu.edu> John C. White <white@ils.nwu.edu> writes:
>In article <MARTIN.92Dec8142645@yeti.kawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp> S.C.T.
>Martin, martin@kawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp writes:
>>You sound like you are having a bad time. Why are you still
>>there/here? I've only ever been harrassed by drunks at stations and
>>yet to suffer any REAL racism. How long will it take? I haven't been
>>in Japan very long yet.

>After about 6 months, it hit me like a bomb. After the novelty of my
>situation wore off and I could really see how certain Japanese were
>reacting to me. I have many terrific memories and some really bad ones.

>I think every white american could benefit immensely by spending a year
>in Japan. It really wakes you up and makes you sensitive to the pain
>associated with the many subtle forms of racism.

Just to add a data point.  The subject of "are foreigners subject to
racist behavior in Japan" seems to be one of major "your milage may
vary" proportions.  Personally, I believe that there is discrimination
in Japan, and a fair amount of racist attitude, particularly directed
towards Middle Easterners and Southeast Asians.  On the other hand, in
my 2.5 years or so of experience in Japan, I have never felt harassed
or mistreated because of my race.  (If you don't count kids looking at
you in amazement, saying "Gaijin da!" and "Disu izu a pen!")

I wonder sometimes why some people have such a bad time, while others
don't.  Are some people just more sensitive and easily perturbed, or
do they go looking for trouble and thus find it?  Do some people expect
bad treatment, and thereby invite it, or do they act in racist-type
manners towards the Japanese, and so get racistized in return?  Or is
it just dumb luck?
-- 
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From: rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:10:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.085537.11269@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>President Clinton should send a formal request to Japan, demanding that
>formal and/or informal barriers to trade be removed.  No more $24,000
>Pontiac Grand Ams in Japan.  If they don't comply within 30 days, there will be
>an across-the-board 10% additional tariff that will slapped on all Japanese
>imports for _each_ month that there is no compliance.

Nicely put Mr. Joe.  BTW, I never saw G/A's there, but I did see a nice
new Camaro in a Tokyo car sales lot.  That Camaro cost $30,000 there.
Equiped the same in the US, it would have sold for around $20,000 here.

Personally, I'd put on a 20% tariff.  The government needs to balance the
books soon. :-)

>Remember early 1980's?
>
>That was the year when Silicon Valley firms were touting themselves as 
>invincible against Japanese trade barriers; they claimed that they were
>so competitve that they could beat 'em Japanese even with the barriers.
>They claimed that all this hollering about barriers (from Detroit) was
>much too much noise about nothing at all.
>
>The American automobile companies were viewed rather haughtily by 
>"mighty" Silicon Valley.
>
>Well.  Well.  It's 1990.  I recall that several Silicon Valley companies
>endorsed President Clinton because he is willing to save them from the
>onslaught of unfair Japanese competition.

As one working in the semiconductor biz, I agree with your analysis
for the most part.  What we want, though, is not protection at home,
but access to the market there.  Japan is the world's biggest
market for semiconductors.  US companies are in the top tier of
suppliers in Europe and North America, and also in many parts of
Asia.  BUT, we don't have such good fortune in Japan.  Seems strange
that the US semiconductor firms are competitive everywhere but there.

>That pretty much sums things up.  People don't complain about trade
>barriers and loss of jobs until they are in the hot seat.  Those people
>who defend Japan at all costs often discuss job dislocation/loss as
>if it was an unfeeling data point on a graph until they themselves lose
>their jobs or become dislocated for the "greater economic of good".

Wow, I've never heard the argument put so perfectly.  Maybe President-
elect Clinton should tap you for a trade post. ;-)

Tom Mathes                                e-mail : rvkl60@email.sps.mot.com
Motorola Inc. / MOS Memory Products Div.  phone  : (512) 928-7627
Austin, Texas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: SUMO
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:50:39 GMT

This is a news I got from fj.rec.sports.prowrestling.

It was reported on Asahi Shinbun, one of three major papers in Japan, that
American Wrestling Association, an almost-non-existing wrestling organization
owned by a former wrestler Verne Gagne, will form the American Sumo Association
with using NFL players as sumo wrestlers. Of course they won't wear the 
traditional sumo costume(and I think y'all don't even wanna them like that).  
They'll wear the amateur wrestling costume instead.

Let's see what Mr. Kasugano(or whoever he is) is gonna say about this...
-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: D O E S A M E R I C A S A Y Y E S T O J A P A N ?
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:20:13 GMT

In article <1g82c9INN1lj@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
.....
>  The little things in life, like $1.50
>giant Polish dogs w/ Coke, $49 full autorev. soft-touch, digital tuning
>cassette player, $3995 Sparcstation Classics, $39 Sperry Topsiders, $35
>Louis Vetton Hand bags, $9.47 a bottle Clos Du Bois 1989 Merlot,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>nado, nado, make America a really fun and AFFORDABLE place to enjoy life
>in.

   Yappari neeee. I thought that $35 is too cheap for a Louis Vuitton bag...  
Doesn't the casette player have the brand name "SOMY"? If someone finds
"Spermy" on your Topsiders, that would be embarrassing...B-)

--Michiaki
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:10:05 GMT

In article <MS-C.724452715.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
>Approximately 120 members of the Texas Southern University marching band
>engaged in an act of mass shoplifting in the Akihabara shopping district on
>December 7.  They were accompanied in this charming activity by six school
>officials, including the university's vice president.

About 28 students were invovled in the actual shoplifting, according to Japan-
ese and American reports.

>The total take was about 3 million yen in CD players, mini-televisions,
>watches, and electric razors.

118 items were said to have been stolen.

>When police arrived at the scene, they persuaded the students to return the
>stolen goods by telling them they don't function in the US because of the
>voltage difference.  However, the shopkeepers reported they were still short
>about 450,000 yen worth of goods.

The police told the students that if the aritcles were not returned, the bus
would not be allowed to leave for the airport.

>The Japanese publicity agent that invited the band compensated the shopkeepers
>for their loss.  The game's sponsor, Coca-Cola Japan, said it was ``very
>disappointed'' when hearing about the incident today (December 15).

The president of Texas Southern has a) promised that all students involved
would be expelled b) has promised to discipline the vice principal who 
accompanied the students c) has promised to personally visit Japan and apologize
for the whole incident.

Mike
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