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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MORE POWER!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:06:12 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Aug25.161024.7517@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel) writes:
>Okay, folks, I've got a question for ya.  A friend and I were discussing
>turbocharging yesterday.  In a recent car mag article re a Hennesey Motorsports
>3000GT VR4, the stock Mitsu 'grew' larger(higher flow) turbos, increasing
>horsepower, etc.  Is this very feasible to undertake on a vehicle?  For ex.
>a Ford turbo/intercooled 2.3L getting a replacement, larger than stock
>turbo unit.  The installation/removal of the turbo unit is not overly 
>difficult, are there more beefy units available that would bolt in place?
  A bigger turbo is rarely the way to go.  A small, lightweight
  turbo will spool up faster and at a lower RPM, avoiding the dread
  turbo lag.   USUALLY these turbos will continue to generate
  additional boost well into the rpm range, so they are typically
  fitted with boost limiters.  If you want to retain the nice wide
  torque curve, fast throttle response, etc., then you would want to
  just increase the peak boost.  

  The factory boost limits usually have a reasonably healthy safety
  margin, but some have detonation detectors which run the boost
  right up to the onset of premature firing.  Right beyond that
  point, your pistons tend to develop huge holes...

  Warning, this is a fine way to turn an otherwise healthy motor
  into a bunch of junk.  BUT if you fool around with the fuel to
  stave off detonation AND fool around with the peak boost, you can
  get increased performance....    
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:33:00 GMT

In article <2AA24C15.15213@ics.uci.edu> craigm@chateau-rouge.ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane) writes:

>In article <9471.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
>> Al, I agree with you, people think that for the price of BMW's, MB's,
>>Jag's, and Porsche's they should be big, fast, comfortable, no maintance
>>needed, and silent.  That's just a sterotype (some people are pretty
>>ignorant).

>Hey take a chill pill!!  I did as the previous poster told me to and
>drove another one.  The wind noise was not apparent in the second one
>I drove.  

Well, that's good to hear.  Taking a too small statistical sample is
always a dangerous thing.  Something that most consumers forget when
making a relatively large purchase.

>I really think you should be careful about calling people
>ignorant on the net.  The purpose of all these newsgroups is the
>dissemination of information.  Many people responded to my post and
>provided useful information without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Part of the difficulty is because it is difficult to discern the
inflection of the voice or the other `non-verbal' communication cues
we are acustomed to (body language, stance, hands, etc...).

Erich and I get a little defensive about our chice in autos because
you will often get _MAJOR_ flame wars over topics such as: "Ferrari's
are the best" or "Honda is the best" or "Lexus sucks" or "Mitsubishi
sucks" or...  Well, you get the idea.

Some folks are ignorant enough to dismiss all non-Japanese cars.
Other's will do the same for American Muscle cars.  And so it goes.

Learn to use smilie faces for humor, jokes, good natured ribbing, and
to show enthusiasm.  That said:

BMWs are the lowest of the low scum sucking yuppie mobiles on the face
of the planet!  :-)

[in the intrest of maintaining the balance of power in the long
standing feud between Alfa Romeo (the best!) and BMW (the worst! :-)].

--
"Time is simply the illusion of the passing of history, and history is
simply the illusion of the passing of time..."
                                -The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:07:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Taurus Front Brake Rotors have a recall; mine (90 SHO) were replaced without
cost to me by the dealer. It seems that Ford experimented with composite rotors
which tends to warp easily.

Of course your REAL problem is finding a honest and competent Ford dealer in the
universe near you :-(

Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
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From: "andrew morgan" <andrew.morgan@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: review: eagle vision
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:54:00 EST
Reply-To: "andrew morgan" <andrew.morgan@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


GC>Wow!

GC>Canadians heap praise on Canadian built pile of garbage!

The most praise I've seen for the new LH line from Chrysler has come
from U.S. publications.

GC>From the two examples I've seen, (The Eagle Vision LOOKED
GC>good with only a slight misalignment of the hood and I had to
GC>search for that, the Dodge was as bad or worse than any
GC>US built car I'd examined lately),  quality control is
GC>spotty.....to say the best.
Could you give me details of the spotty quality. Also could you tell me
where and when you saw the cars. Did you get a chance to drive one?

I'm not sure what you mean about former British workmanship from
socialist Canada but I'm more interested in what improvements you would
like to see.

Andrew Morgan
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter)
Subject: Re: HumVee 4 Sale??
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:53:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft, WGA, Eightball
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug21.060216.2769@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
| 
| Does anyone know the price range of the civilian versions?

They start at c. $40K and go to about $55K, or $58K with winch, brush
guard, et cetera.  Seems comparable to a Lexus or Range Rover.

--
Ben Goetter (beng@microsoft.com)
From: roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Subaru maintenance in Seattle
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:07:21 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Seattle University

I live in the central Seattle area (Madison Valley) and have a 1984
Subaru wagon that needs a 60,000 mile checkup and tuneup.  It's been
regularly maintained--in Portland.  I need a referral in Seattle to a
reputable garage that knows the car.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:46:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.141708.39614@evolving.com> mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier) writes:
>ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
>: 
>: So where are these miraculous systems?  Are they installed in our
>: automobiles, reducing our fuel consumption and air pollution output?
>: Of course not.  You know as well as I do where they are:  In the
>: vaults of the world's major oil companies. 

and so on, including a statement like
"everything is getting improved, even Coca-Cola is made of some novel
compounds nowadays, but gasoline remains the same. Must be, these big oil
baddies block any development in these things as well"
>
>	Then there was my WWII history buff college roommate
>	He pointed out that Germany fought
>	for over 4 years with practically no oil supplies (can't vouch
>	for the validity of this claim, save the flames). So his question
>	was, where are the formulas for synthetic oil? Which side got 
>	them?

Thus both articles imply that chemists either do nothing or hide what they
did. 
Flame follows: ;-) since a word chemistry is among the most popular
witch-words, it might be worthy to claim that chemists have actually
spoiled the fuel. To say that gasoline was much better and cleaner ages
ago.

Now a bit of real things:
Gasoline we buy now is not exacly the same as our grandparents used to buy.
The most abundant constituents are the same, but minor components vary. And
they are very essential to keep an octane number high. Earlier on, they
used a lead-containing stuff for that purpose. Then turned to some specific
hydrocarbons, not of a naturally occuring kind but produced in a
sophisticated ways. A hell of chemist's work has been put into practice,
but the name of the final product is the same: gasoline.

As to WWII Germany, it pumped a lot of oil in Romania, but still not
enough. So German chemists had to develop a process to make a liquid fuel
from coal. It was expensive and ecologically insane, but they didn't care.
What really bothered them was a low octane number. It became especially
painfull by the end of the war when they lost Romanian fields (they could
synthetize a car motor fuel, but Luftwaffe required better fuel than a
synthetic one). German chemists did solve the aviation fuel problem, too. A
masterpiece solution brought into practice within a month: to synthetize
cyclooctatetraene as a fuel additive.

All of these processes were abandoned immediately after the war as
cost-inefficient. Yet these chemical ideas found some decent applications.
And neither of them is hidden now: old patents are all open for public. The
same is true for carburetor patents.

	D
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.sport,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Sierra RS Cosworth (WAS Re: Mustang SV
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:42:00 GMT


In article <hhelanto.715056347@vipunen.hut.fi>, hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto) writes:
|> In <1992Aug24.155256.9988@sbil.co.uk> jim@spitws117.sbil.co.uk (James Gillespie) writes:
|> 
|> >On the family-car-becomes-fire-breathing-monster front, has news of the
|> >Lotus Carlton reached the USA?  It's not very new, but I'll describe it
|> >anyway :-)  The Vauxhall (GM) Carlton is an executive car, one notch up
|> >from the Sierra here.  They brought in a little help from Lotus, to create
|> >a straight six, 24-valve, rear drive twin-turbo monster: 377bhp, 417lb ft.
|> >0-60 in 4.8s. 163mph.  Five seats.  Four doors.  A/C, CD, XYZ.
|> 
|> 	That sounds nice... it's sold outside UK as the Opel Lotus Omega.
|> 	I think some car magazine had an article about it and they
|> 	compared it with BMW M5. It was a lot faster than the older
|> 	M5, but the current M5 has been tuned up a bit.
|> 
|> -Henri Helanto


The Vauxhall Lotus Carlton actually does 180 mph and as BMW have a policy
of restricting their cars to 155 mph they're not likely to be as fast:-) The
3.7 litre M5 has around 330 PS (I believe) and is somewhat down on the Lotus
Carltons figure so is unlikely to perform as well. 

The next M5 is due to receive a tuned version of the V8 4.0 motor
so should be a real flyer!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: chkim@pollux.usc.edu (Chinhyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,la.general
Subject: Car for Sale
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:48:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

This is for a friend. If you are interested, please contact the person
indicated below directly.

The following car is for sale.

1989 Ford Tempo GL 2.3L : 4dr, 61,000 mi.
                          Automatic, AC, etc.
                          License until Jan. 1993.

$4,000.00

Please contact Mr. Sato at,

Home :   (818)585-1310
Office : (818) 356-4452


-- 
Chinhyun Kim
chkim@pollux.usc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mudry@Cadence.COM (Bob Mudry)
Subject: have you been stuck with a "lemon"??
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:21:33 GMT

One of life's biggest frustrations has gotta be dealing with a car that's
turning out to be a "lemon". From the postings in this news group it appears
to be a pretty common problem so I thought I'd tell you about a friend of mine.

My buddy Tom worked as an arbitrator between customers and dealers for one of
the major imported car maker. He told me some real horror stories about the
cars and the dealers. What scum those guys can be!! Tom took great pleasure
in seeing the dealer's having to buy cars back from people that had been really
shafted by these guys. Tom also went all over the country teaching dealers
about their obligations under each state's "lemon-laws". 

Well, about six-months ago, Tom got layed off from his arbitration job. (I
guess you can tell how these guys cut expenses, screw the consumer...) Tom
decided NOT to get another job with a different auto maker and instead set up
a one-man crusade to help people having problems with dealers and car makers.
He knows all the ropes and how to proceed when dealing with these guys.
He's not a lawyer, so he can't dispense legal advise, but he can tell you if
you're getting shafted above and beyond the norm and he can tell you what to
do about it. He can also help you prepare documentation and letters that
your gonna need to fight with these guys. The sympathetic ear is there for
free and he charges a small fee for helping with the documentation.

Tom can be reached at (310)433-4023 and you can write to him at:
	ARC
	5595 E. 7th St Suite 653
	Long Beach, Calif. 90804
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Old topic:  Saturns
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:22:02 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <183156@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.083038.6547@news.cs.indiana.edu> alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:
> >3)I'm not real familiar with the available models, and we have no
> >dealer here.  So, until I get to Indy to look, what are some of the
> >smaller models, and price range? 
>    You may want to wait a month, the Saturn's are just about all
>    sold out for the '92 model year at most dealers...who are taking
>    orders only for the new 93 models.  

 I went by the local dealer yesterday and was quite impressed. Strange 
experience though - I mean when was the last time you had to *wait* 45
minutes to get a salesman at an auto dealership??!!?? 

 Here are the 93 prices as presented to me - all are the base manual trans.
price (looks about $800 more for the automatic on each model).

SL  - $9195   SL1 - $9995    SL2 - $11495   SC1 - $10995 SC2 - $12795

There is a new station wagon for 93  -  SW1 - $10895   SW2 - $12195

 Driver's side airbags are standard on all 1993 models.

 Now, looking at the price list I notice that they charge a standard $300
at this particular dealership for "transportation" - I have no idea if this
is legit or not.

 They have an option package available for all but the SL which goes for
between $1535 and $1690 depending on the model and which consists of
A/C, cruise control, power windows, locks, and RHOSRV mirror.


 Now I also have a question or tow regarding these cars -

 How can you possibly deal with a slaesman who is working at a dealership which
has no cars in stock, has more customers than he/she knows what to do with,
and whose product is getting rave reviews??? I'd love to try and get say an
SL2 at about $500 under their asking price (including the transportation
charge) but it seems absurd - why sell one to me at $500 under when they 
can't even keep the damn things in stock?

 What is the general opinion of these cars? As I say, I was impressed but
I'm frankly not sure of what else is available at a similar price from other
dealers - in this $10,500 - $13,000 range is there a "better" car available?

 I know that Motor Week picked the Saturn as the best "small car" but I'm
curious as to other auto mags. 


					gln
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Yet another fancy piece of cops' equipment
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:30:02 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>>All the Boston and MetroScum motorcycle cops ride Harleys. I didn't think they
>>handed out anything else. If you can stomach it, check out the intro to the 
>>show "CHiPs" sometime.

>   Are you sure? I haven't seen the show for a long time, but I'd swear they
>used Kawasaki's on CHiPs. 

I don't know about other departments, but the CHP has used a mixed bag 
of large bikes, including Harleys, Kawasaki Police 1000s, and even a 
few BMWs.  I think they (or their buying consortium) go out for bids 
anew every year, may the cheapest police-style bike win.  

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fahic@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (f.a.hicinbothem)
Subject: 86 OLDS owned by ignorant savage
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:41:07 GMT
Keywords: need some help with trouble shooting



 I am car ignorant ... at least.

I have a problem with my 86 Olds Custom Cruiser Wagon.  It coughs.
Every so often (20-40 miles in suburban driving) it will lose
power momentarily - it will stall if I am accelerating from a
stop, or just cough if I am at speed.  It started about 6 months
ago and hasn't gotten any worse.  My wife claims that an odor
acompanies the cough, but she has since refused to drive the car.

Can anyone offer a diagnosis based on this rediculous description?

 Will it cost alot? - I suspect the answer is YES since any time an
 ignorant savage has a car problem it seems to cost alot. 8*(

Please help - email RSVP if possible, or flame me if this is the
wrong newsgroup for this drivel.

ADVthanksANCE  ... Fred Hicinbothem
From: steinmar@blaze.rutgers.edu (dan steinmark)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CRX vs Del Sol
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:54:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: robert@mlacus.oz.au

In article <1992Aug27.042818.17736@mlacus.oz.au> robert@mlacus.oz.au 
(Robert Irvine) writes:

> The new CRX (designated 1992 CRX in Australia and Del Sol in USA) comes with 
> option of three motors.  [...] and
> the dual overhead cam 1.6 VTEC (variable valve timeing). 
> ...  The VTEC engine produces 118kw of power at 
> 7400rpm (redline is 8200) which equates to around 160hp. 
> ... able to do 0-100km/h (0-60mph) in 8.4 sec, and the quarter
> mile in 14.2 sec.  Top speed is said to be 213km/h.
          ^^^^^^^^
Are you sure this is correct.  It seems awful fast for the car.

	-Dan
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"55.  It's not justly a good idea.  It's the lawyers."
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW 325i question
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:08:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep4.040837.27897
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <1992Sep03.173704.29667@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
>Does anyone know how much torque a 1986-1991 BMW 325i has?  I know the 325 and 325e have 121 hp & 170 lb-ft, and that the 325i has 168 hp.
>
>just curious.

Well the rated power from the 1988 325 series owners manual is 164 ft/lb for
the 325i engine.  However, you might note that the 1988 "straight" 325
is rated for 127 hp, due to the use of the 325i fuel management system
AND the dual exhaust from the 325i models.  The use of the Motronic 1.1
system on that year only actually made the rated power at 4800 rpm where
the 325i was rated for 167 hp at 5800 rpm.  I wonder what the power of the
"I" engine is at the 4800 rpm that the larger engine is rated at?  I also
wonder what power the 2700 cc engine could put out at 5800 rpm...as when 
happens if the control chip is excahnged for a performance optimised chip?


>Incidently, what the hell does flame mean.  As in being flamed on usenet.

Being "roasted" by criticisms..usually with little respect, tact or 
sensitivity.

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Yet another fancy piece of cops' equipment
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:14:59 GMT

I wrote:
>I didn't think they handed out anything else [but Harleys]. If you can
>stomach it, check out the intro to the show "CHiPs" sometime.

In article <1992Aug25.204515.11772@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
>   Are you sure?

Not at all. :-) I swear I saw the HD emblem. Oh well.

-- 
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OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
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From: hh2@prism.gatech.EDU (Hap Haas)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: LIDAR, License plates, and ECM
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:09:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This is in response to a recent discussion of lidar.

It was stated that a prime reflecting surface used by police is the
license plate ("tag" for you northerners).  Several methods of ECM
were mentioned - including spraying IR absorptive paint on the plate.
Tilting the plate was noted as being ineffective due to the reflective
nature of the plate.

If I understand how the reflective paint works, the tiny "reflectors"
in the paint appear to EM signals as miniature trihedrals.  Since the
phase of coherent EM signals inverts upon each reflection, a trihedral
relector (three bounces) return will be phase inverted.

One way to absorb this return is to cover the trihedrals with a polarized
sheet.  This would effectively cancel any return due to the relectors.
You should probably tilt the plate a bit in order to reduce any reflection
due to random occurrences of dihedral formations in the paint.

Just a thought.  If anyone has a hobby laser and a pair of polaroid
sunglasses, we could check it out . . . 

hh
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