HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: CDplayer 0.8 doesn't work.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:47:37 GMT

cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles William Swiger) writes:
> Gerben Wierda@ltb.ltb.bs wrote:
> 
> >My CD-ROM drive is a NeXT, that has SCSI id 3. I ask for /dev/rsd3h and
> >device 3 (whatever that means) through Tylers UI, or I run -d
> /dev/rsd3h. >Now as i recall, h is the live partition of a SCSI device.
> >
> >Anyway, what is going wrong here and what should i do to make it work?
> 
> The problem is that you're trying to mount SCSI partition h of off a raw
> device.  If the disk is a formatted device (with partition table, etc)
> then you could mount the various partitions with "mount /mnt /dev/sd?a"
> for a SCSI HD, "mount /mnt /dev/fd?a" for the floppy drive, or "mount -r
> /mnt /dev/sr?a" for a CD-ROM.  (Actually, the name of the CD-ROM driver
> may be different than sr? on the NeXT.  Doesn't really matter.)  The
> question marks should be replaced with the appropriate number, which is
> probably 0 for a floppy disk, and whatever the target number on the SCSI
> chain is for a SCSI device.

The last sentance is wrong for SCSI addressing on the NeXT.

> If you want to deal with a raw partition, as in for a music CD, or a
> tar dump made to floppy, or something like that, use the /dev/rsd?,
> /dev/rfd?, or /dev/rsr? (respectively) devices without any partition
> specified.

If the user uses /dev/rsd? as the settings for CDPlayer on the NeXT, the  
program will not work.  There *are* no device names on the NeXT of the form  
/dev/rsd? (not on Release 2.1, at least).

> One other thing, partition h is not in general the "live" partition for
> any machine that I know of.  On the Suns, partition c should represent
> the entire device.  On the NeXT, most drives have the main partition as
> partition a.

The referencing of partition "h" on the device is not the cause of any  
trouble.  Many people are using CDPlayer successfully despite referencing  
partition h.  I don't know the particulars of how partitions are supposed to  
work on CD-ROM players & music CD's, but the CDPlayer program seems to work  
just fine with any partition you specify.  I think the program comes with  
the reference to partition h, so that's the partition I've used for all the  
machines I have set this up on.

I've already sent the original poster an explanation of how I set CDPlayer  
up on my machine, and that seems to have helped them to get the program  
working OK.  If anyone else is having trouble with the CDPlayer application  
you can drop me a message, and I'll send a copy of that explanation.  I'm  
reluctant to post the message given that Release 3.0 is supposed to come  
with a music CD application of it's own, which should make playing CD's a  
lot easier than this CDPlayer application does.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: libg++ 2.2
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:55:54 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: perkins@indian.cps.msu.edu


I got gcc version 2.2.2 to compile on my NeXT.  However, I have not
had much luck with libg++.  It seems to bomb out while trying to
compile a file called procbuf.C.  Error looks like:

   procbuf.C: In method `int  procbuf::sys_close ()':
   procbuf.C:91: incompatible pointer types for argument 0 of `int  wait
   (union wait*)'
   **

I was using gcc(2.2.2). Anybody had better luck than me?? I searched
many places for info on building this thing, but couldn't find much.
BTW, I configured with string "m68k-next-mach".

- Steve
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From: elitman@wam.umd.edu (Eric A. Litman)
Subject: Re: Terminal question
Organization: U. of Maryland, College Park.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:36:16 GMT

Lusty Wench (lusty@lusty.tamu.edu) writes:

: I'd say there's a good reason *not* to go spreading around this type of
: information, since I can't think of a legitimate reason for wanting to
: do it.

Very sound reasoning indeed. A corollary would be to deny access to computing 
resources to all non-expert users altogether, thereby negating any need 
for instruction. Were he alive today, George Bush would be proud.

While this was not really the place for this question (comp.mail.misc is more
appropriate), the easiest solution would be to use a widely available utility 
such as the program 'fastmail' distributed with the latest elm release. More 
complicated examples include telnetting to the SMTP port of the desired host, 
running /usr/lib/sendmail -f as root (which would be complicated for the
original poster), or using perl and chat2.pl to create a bloated, feature-laden
hack. I myself have such a beast, appropriately dubbed 'amail', which I may be 
coaxed into sharing.

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From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: HPIIIsi
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 19:30:02 -0500

Has anyone had any experience setting up an HP IIIsi using an Ethernet interface
to accept jobs from a NeXT (that is to say, over the Ethernet, instead of
through a serial connection, as the NeXT LaserPrinter uses.)
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Borrow someone else's 3.0 ...
Date: 16 Sep 1992 02:17:38 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep15.225300.25346@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes:
>
>So, for all those people complaining about 3.0 not arriving and how  
>absolutely *urgent* it is they get it, why not find someone else who has  
>it?  A nearby university is bound to have lots.  Any registered NeXT  
>developer or dealer should too, you'd think.     ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^

Bzzzzzt.  Yes, while you might reasonably expect this to be true, it's not :-(

Waiting impatiently since placing my order in May and being only 50 miles from
NeXT Computer, Inc...
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
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From: moksha!mgb (Michael Branton)
Subject: Re: major purchase decision?
Reply-To: mgb@stetson.bitnet
Organization: Totally Disorganized
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.145921.10696@pencom.com> alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem)  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.201542.8576@atinc.uucp> root@atinc.uucp (Operator)  
writes:
> > 
> >     I'm trying to decide whether to plunge into my "Next" decision.   
.
.
.
> > I'm looking at this configuration:
> > 
> >         NextStation - Color, 25mhz/040, 16Meg ram, 250Meg drive, Rel. 3.0.
> > 
> >     Will I be happy with this performance? Any input to my concerns on  
> configuration
> > and performance would be appreciated.
.
.
.
> I tried to e-mail you but that bounced, so....
> 
> First off, let me warn you that I work for Pencom, which produces co-Xist, so  
I  
> may be a little biased :).  Anyway, with 16MB for a color system, you're  
going  
> to spend a lot of time waiting, especially if you're going to be doing  
> running/developing X stuff.  3.0 seems to page more than 2.1 ever did, so  
this  
> may be another incentive to buy more memory.  Finally, keep in mind that the  
X  
> distribution (ours or Cub'X) is around 55MB, so make sure that you have  
plenty  
> of disk space.
> 
> Hope this helps....
> 
> 

I'll second that. You'll want more memory and more drive, but don't buy them  
from NeXT. There are a number of 3rd party suppliers who will give you a much  
better price than NeXT (this is typical of the situation with all workstation
vendors, not just NeXT.)

-- 


-Michael

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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Handling foreign payments.
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:59:16 GMT

<Lots of problems with different payment schemes deleted>

Credit cards are the best way to handle payments, but then, few  
shareware authors are set up to receive credit card payments.  Sound  
like there's need for a clearing-house that would handle such  
payments on behalf of shareware authors for a nominal fee.  Then  
again, this sounds so obvious that perhaps such an animal already  
exists.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
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From: joliu@nyx.cs.du.edu (joe Liu)
Subject: Question on NS3.0 CD
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 15:34:18 GMT



How are the files in NS3.0 CD organized (Packages or normal files)?
If they are files, could I link the Docs + Dictionary + Thes. directories
to the hard drive to save space?

Thanks in advance.

Joe Liu
nus19@ttacs.ttu.edu
(ASCII mail)

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From: callsen@cs.uiuc.edu (Christian J. Callsen)
Subject: Re: Version of TeX on NS3.0?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, UIUC
	<tlm.715741601@scl1.al.iastate.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:46:26 GMT


tom writes:

>dvips 5490, TeXview 3.0, and "Pi" TeX, i.e. Unix TeX 3.14 I believe.
                              ~~~~
I believe that Don Knuth as part of his will with TeX wrote that after
his death, one (1!) alteration of TeX must be made: the version number
bumped from whatever `approximation' of `pi' it has to a new version
numberer `$\pi$' -- which then will be the final version of TeX.
So we haven't quite reached TeX V$\pi$ yet.

><other stuff deleted>
>
>Hope this is Helpful --- tom

Chris

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From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan)
Subject: Re: Mail.app
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 13:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.134933.15970@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan) writes:
>
>Yes actually you can do it.  In the Preferences for Mail.app, select the 
>'Manual' mail retrieval option.  This will allow you to start up Mail.app
>without having it automatically transfer your mail from /usr/spool/mail
>until you choose to do so (i.e. until you select 'New Mail' from the 
>Utilities option).  If you never select 'New Mail', your mail can always
>be read from the console, otherwise you can always get back to it via
                  ^^^^^^^
Oops sorry that should read "you can always read your mail from "remote".

>Dan Pritts' suggestion (mail -f ...) above.
>
>Kharim
>


-- 
*************************************************************************
     Kharim M. Hogan             Systems Administrator 
     hogan@music.mcgill.ca       Faculty of Music, McGill University
*************************************************************************
From: modman@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: WarpIt posting: No go on the post
Keywords: Never got the post
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:16:35 GMT
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <65357@cup.portal.com> midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas  
Schwarz) writes:
> On September 1 I posted the posting regarding WarpIt version 1.1 to 
> comp/sys/next/misc. In August I posted the initial release of WarpIt
> also to comp/sys/next/misc.
> 
> Previously I had posted all our press releases in comp.sys.next.announce
> and had sent these postings to the moderator of that group but the latest
> postings did not show up (the first one after nearly 2 weeks). Therefore
> I posted it to the previously mentioned category. Sorry if this was
> improper and I will make every effort so that all our postings are
> made to the proper places. I too like a properly run machine but also
> wanted people to receive the information in a timely manner.
> 
> >>  [a press release for a commercial product]
> > Shouldn't this be in c.s.n.a? What's the point of having a moderated  
> > newsgroup if people merrily avoid it?
> 
> > Strike me as being particularly inflammatory when we're in the
> > midst of a debate about commercial posts...
> 
> > WarpIt sounds like a cool thing, but jeez!
> 
> > Gordon
> 
> 
> - Gerard Schwarz   MIDIapolis Systems  midiapolis@cup.portal.com

I checked the 'unposted.mbox' and your post was
not in it.  I checked the 'posted.mbox' and it
was not there.  I check the 'csna.mbox' and it
was not there.  So basically it never got to me
or it was lost.  I am sorry if the later was the case.
I highly recommend people send things with read receipts
so they can hold me over the coals if things are misplaced ;').

Todd Nathan
csna modman
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From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley)
Subject: Re: why NeXT is still having credibility problems
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:17:45 GMT

In article <MS-C.716532025.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
>NeXT still has a long way to go before it can claim credibility as a
>reliable vendor.
[..Suggestions deleted..]
>I bought the CD-ROM/3.0 package in late spring.  I have the CD-ROM
>drive -- a good two months after I ordered it -- but no 3.0 CD-ROM
[..munch..]
>I though that ordering some additional DSP memory might help some
>problems I had been having with music.  I called up NeXT to order it.
[..munch..]
>NeXT wouldn't take a phone order; it had to be by mail or FAX.  The
>order form offered overnight shipping or 5 day shipping.  I chose
>5-day shipping, with a charge to my credit card, and FAXed the order
>on September 3.
[..munch..]
>On September 14, I called to find out about the status of the order.
>I learned that the *acknowledgement* of the order had just been mailed
[..munch..]

I haven't had any of these problems with NeXT.  I needed a new keyboard
to replace my previous ( coffee soaked ) keyboard.  I order by phone with
credit card and had it on my desk by noon the next day.

My secret: I order from a major financial firm, told them so, and had it
mailed there.

NeXT can treat its customers right if it wants to.  But if they think
s**t of you, their service reflects it.

Quick Quiz: What does NeXT think of the little guy?

Chris

-- 
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Elec & Comp Engineering                      -= NeXTmail Welcome =-
The Johns Hopkins University          Phone: (410)889-3639
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Version of TeX on NS3.0?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:03:31 GMT

In <CALLSEN.92Sep6214626@ganges.cs.uiuc.edu> callsen@cs.uiuc.edu (Christian J. Callsen) writes:


>tom writes:

>>dvips 5490, TeXview 3.0, and "Pi" TeX, i.e. Unix TeX 3.14 I believe.
>                              ~~~~
>I believe that Don Knuth as part of his will with TeX wrote that after
>his death, one (1!) alteration of TeX must be made: the version number
>bumped from whatever `approximation' of `pi' it has to a new version
>numberer `$\pi$' -- which then will be the final version of TeX.
>So we haven't quite reached TeX V$\pi$ yet.

>><other stuff deleted>
>>

I've received 3 pieces of mail about this already.  Strange how little
things can cause a controversy :-)  First, I had not heard this amusing
story about Knuth (though it seems completely in character :-) and
had just made up the name "Pi TeX" --- $\pi$ \TeX --- myself.  Sorry
for the confusion on this crucial point.  Second, this jogged my memory
and makes me think that the version which actually comes wiht 3.0
is TeX 3.141 (i.e. a somewhat better approximation to the transcendental
wonder \pi) but I can't check this at the moment because I just moved
and my whole life, including the NeXT-TeX 3.0 manual (but, heaven be
praised, not my NeXT!) are in boxes.  I seem to remember that the
version of TeX is given on one of the first pages of the manual, so 
perhaps someone who has 3.0 already can say if we have 2 or 3 digit 
accuracy on Pi TeX???

best --- tom


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren)
Subject: NS3.0 fake recycled paper?
Keywords: recycle
Reply-To: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:04:09 GMT

	The manuals certainly have a recycled paper look to them but, are  
they? There is no mention of the paper being recycled, why pretend? I  
suppose that its even bleached paper dyed to look unbleached.
	Hopefully, NeXT (Redwood City) is just too cool to mention it.
	
	On another important subject, ever notice that the NeXT, Windows  
and OS/2 logos are all black squares with 4 colors on them? (OS/2 has 5 if  
you count gray). Did they all hire the same stylists?

	Jeff

Jeff Hallgren 
Email: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NS 3.0 Printer Support?
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:40:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuBI7x.DJ7.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon



So, what printers are supported under NS 3.0? 


Still waiting for 3.0,
anwar
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl)
Subject: Re: Spreadsheets (was Mesa vs. Appsoft)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:39:08 GMT

In article <716000430.F00004@blkcat.UUCP> David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>I'll throw my two cents in to this debate.  The one thing missing from
>everyone's spreadsheet application is compatibility with Excel*.  Yes, it's very
>nice that everyone can read and write SYLK and 1-2-3 formats, but SYLK and 1-2-3
>are not the dominant format for spreadsheets anymore, Excel is.  So why is this
>important?  Because organizations have gone ahead and built "Mission-Critical"
>applications using spreadsheets (notably Excel), they shy away from a new
>product that forces them to re-engineer their application, and justifiably so.
>
>Now this is not to say that the company that is first to bring an Excel
>compatible spreadsheet to market is going to make a small fortune and capture
>the lion's share of the NeXT spreadsheet market for years to come, and become a
>major component in the suite of applications that sells thousands of NeXTs
>(don't think this is possible?  Look at how memory sales increased after Apple
>released Hypercard, or how laser printer sales increased with the advent of
>mature desktop publishing applications), but if any of the four spreadsheet
>vendors out their (Appsoft, Athena, Informix, or Lotus) expects to achieve that
>goal, Excel compatibility is must be a key piece to that puzzle.
>
>* What is Excel compatibility?  It is the ability to interpret correctly a
>complete set of Excel features in an Excel spreadsheet, including references to
>Macros, external documents (i.e. charts), formulas, the whole shebang.



This is what I have been waiting for for a long time.

Although every new product Improv, SoftPC (123), Mesa, has its ups
they all have their downs.  Not to mention non-combatibility with
Excel, but more importantly, poor graphing, and non-death defying
new ways of doing things.

I will give Improv the credit for the new gee wizes, but it is
still very difficult for me to do my old tricks.

Mesa is a great start, but although everyone uses 123 macros here
I will not take the pain, nor the time to use them.  After all
we are on a crusade to modernize to Excel on all platforms, thus
making things work everywhere.

So my final decision was to spend the stifling $80 to get the
Mac emulator Executor.  Everyone here that is running Excel on their
macs cannot match price, nor performance of running Excel.

So if you are thinking of waiting for Excel compatability, don't.
Buy Executor for the $80 and watch your Mac, and PeeCee mates cry.


-- 
Alex Dahl
dahla@lobby.ti.com           or        dahla@mksol.deseg.ti.com

Remember:  My expressions are unknown to my employer nor do they care.
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Encription in 3.0?
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:50:32 GMT
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

In article <1992Sep8.223214.628@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
> 
> Did FEE encription make it into the 3.0 Mail.app?
> 

no.

-geoff
---------------------------------------------------------------
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Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jon@afs.com (Jonathan Hendry)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:44:41 GMT

In article <Btxorx.3tL@research.canon.oz.au> greyham@research.canon.oz.au  
(Graham Stoney) writes:
>ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
>>There are lots of reasons, most of them historical, for why prices were  
>>forbidden from being on USENET.
>
>Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!
>(Gee, that felt good!).
>
>It's not _prices_ that's forbidden, it's _advertising_. Take the price off an
>advertisement, and what have you got?. Yes!. You've still got an  
advertisement.
>Either the prices should stay, or the advertisements should go: this is what
>the debate should be about, and historically the answer is that the
>advertisements should go. Keeping the advertisements but X'ing out the prices
>is bad regadless of whether you want the ads or not: everyone loses!

I agree with this. How often does one see prices on TV ads? Pretty rarely. But  
they're still commercials. I think prices (esp. if there is an ed. discount)  
should be allowed, but keep the hype down.

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!)
hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
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From: cswoyer@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Swoyer)
Subject: Version of TeX on NS3.0?
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:12:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Which version of dvips, TeXview, and tex come with NS3.0 (anyone know
if dvips and TeXview as new as the latest versions on
labrea.stanford.edu)?

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