HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Larry.Hyman@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Larry Hyman)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: S.t.o.p. (safety T
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:33:00 GMT

-=> Quoting Hal Gould to Larry Hyman <=-
 
 LH>Where can I get these in Montreal Quebec Canada ???? Larry Hyman
 HG>
 HG> I would think that any video rental store that is worth its weight in
 HG> salt would have a section of videos like this.  There probably won't
 HG> be any charge for use of these videos.  I'd suggest just calling around
 HG> and asking them.
 HG>
 HG> Good luck!
 HG>
 HG> Hal
 HG>
 HG> * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted!
 HG> -!-
 HG>  ! Origin: MUSES : Baton Rouge, LA -- [504]-767-4668 (PPI 14.4k)
 HG> (1:3800/22)
 
You see, this is one of the places where up-here in Canada are behind the
times... Nothing like this exist over here (at least not in Montreal) Tell me
the Distributor and I will try to bring them in Canada...
 
Larry Hyman
 
... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
*** Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found Child
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:51:53 GMT

I am happy to announce that I have been informed by
    The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children that

 Donna Marie Watson,  374.GIF  CHILD17.ZIP has been located and is well.


 Marv Cotton,  Heidi Search Center
 2402 Pat Booker Rd.
 Universal City, TX
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:56:00 GMT

This message was from NATHAN ROWADER to JIM BYNUM,
and was forwarded to you by MARV COTTON.
                    -------------------------
Hey, dont take it against me.....im a 15 year old male.....i never wrote a
message before.....i just got this message out of the blue..........oh well,
dont take it aginst me.....seeya


   This message was posted in response to a message left by an
   individual calling himself "The Reverend".  That reverend has been
   taken care of and should not be posting here again.  I hope no one
   takes the other message out on Nathan.
     Marv Cotton, Co-Moderator
From: Dan.Ross@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: tammy
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:27:02 GMT

Tammy Sue Rothganger
Non-family Abduction

Date Missing:  05/10/68                 Missing From:  Eldon, Missiouri

Date of Birth:  08/10/68                Age at Desappearance:  15 years old

Sex:  Female                            Race:  White

Height:  5 ft. 7 in.                    Weight:  140 lbs

Hair:  Brown                            Eyes:  Brown

Identifying Information:  Tammy has the initial "R" tattooed on her
left arm.

Additional Identiying Information:  None.

Circumstances:  Tammy was last seen at school.  She never returned home.

Anyone having information should contact
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: NEW CONFERENCE
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:44:00 GMT

NP>I would just like to announce for the whole world that Land of the
NP>Gypsy's is now officially carrying this fine conference as of THIS
NP>message.
NP>***
NP> * MegaMail 2.10 #1535:Official Telemate Support and Distribution BBS
NP>***
NP>  SFUTI 3.16 * Featuring RIME, CircuitNet and Oregon Net
NP> * Land of the Gypsy's (503)297-0626 Telemate Support BBS v32.bis -
Portland
NP>Or
NP> * PostLink(tm) v1.02  GYPSY (#1622) : RelayNet(tm)


NP>--- TriDog 4.0
NP> * Origin: The Lobster Buoy - Home of TriBBS (1:328/104)

  Glad to have you Nancy.
    Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Hal.Gould@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hal Gould)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: S.T.O.P. (Safety T
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:11:00 GMT

LH>You see, this is one of the places where up-here in Canada are behind the
LH>times... Nothing like this exist over here (at least not in Montreal) Tell
m
LH>the Distributor and I will try to bring them in Canada...

LH>Larry Hyman

When you say "nothing like this exists over here..."  you were referring
to the videotapes, or the video stores themselves?  In either case, I'll
stop by the video store and get the information on how to get ahold of
the tapes.  If nothing else, I'll try to get permission to copy them and
send you the copies.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can get some
info!

Hal

 * SLMR 2.1a * Earth is a great fun house without the fun.
From: Dan.Ross@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: jody
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:55:00 GMT

Jody Lee Ledkins
Endangered Runaway

Date Missing: 05/23/85          Missing From: Kansas City, Missouri

Date of Birth: 09/20/70         Age at Disappearance: 14 years old

Sex: Female                     Race: White

Height: 5 ft. 1 in.             Weight: 90 lbs

Hair: Brown                     Eyes: Blue

Identifying Information:  Child has a small mole under chin;
large mark under arm; appendix removed; wears glasses.

Anyone having infomation should contact
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Echo Rules Pt 1
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:42:00 GMT

JH>MC>  Jinny, we are up to CHILD32.ZIP now with 516 GIFs.  I will post found
JH>MC>  children in a few messages.

JH>Marv, I need to give you a call for more information.  We will NOT be
JH>using a GIF viewer after all, but rather made the GIFs into self-running
JH>files using the "Graphics Workshop".  Now I need some info from you to
JH>create a flier or letter that will be distributed with the GIFs.  Do
JH>you have a logo that you use that can be easily scanned?
JH>***
JH> * SLMR 2.0 * Mother Nature didn't plan on Human nature

JH>PCRelay:GODFTHR -> #63 RelayNet (tm)
JH>4.11               The Godfather BBS, Tampa, FL 813-289-3314 HST

JH>--- TriDog 4.0
JH> * Origin: The Lobster Buoy - Home of TriBBS (1:328/104)

  Yes, I also have it in TIFF format.  Can you call the Center
  1-800-880-3463.
    Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Hal.Gould@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hal Gould)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: 48 Hours
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:09:00 GMT

MC>    That's the pity of what happened Hal.  I do not blame the father as
MC>  after five years of searching he had finally found his son so his
MC>  reaction to rush to the boy was natural.  My concern is that it was
MC>  handled badly by the authorities and other agencies involved.  I
MC>  believe that the father should have remained in a neutral place and
MC>  the child brought to him.  There was no need for the police to storm
MC>  the house or for the boy to be picked up and rushed from his room.
MC>    I am afraid that because of the way it was handled the father will
MC>  never be able to have a relationship with the son he searched five
MC>  years to find.
MC>    It will take quite a while for the boy to overcome the terror he
MC>  felt when his mother was taken away and those strangers burst into his
MC>  house.  How would you feel under those circumstances and how do you
MC>  imagine a 9 year old would feel?
MC>    There were no winners in that episode.  Mores the pity.
MC>      Later, Marv

You're absolutely right, both on how it should have been handled, and
for your last sentence about no winners.  It will also have the poor kid
seeing policemen as being bad guys who took away momma and let a
stranger come in and grab him.  We can only hope and pray...

CUSoon...
Hal

 * SLMR 2.1a * Earn cash in your spare time blackmail your friends
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Echo Rules PT I.
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:15:52 GMT

MISSING_CHILD:     The Rules
 =========================

      The purpose of the MISSING CHILDREN conference
      (area tag: MISSING_CHILD) is to provide topics
      which affect our lives most directly, Missing
      and or Abducted Children.

 Handle and/or Aliases:
 ======================
 Due to the sensitive subject matter of this echo Handles and/or Aliases
  are NOT allowed.
   SysOps who allow Handles/Aliases on their systems will ensure that
 their users proper names are used in this echo.

 Internet/USENET users will ensure that their name is in the message.
 This includes those posting from systems which compresses their names
 into 6 or 8 characters.  These people will enter their names in the
 message.

 Sticking to the topic:
 ======================
 In general, a message will not be considered "off-topic" unless
 it contains one or more of the following:

   1) Advertisements for services, items for sale or trade, BBS
      systems or organizations.

   2) Personal or organizational advertisements, if the message
      has no other content.

   3) Excessive use of terminology generally considered
      inappropriate for general audiences.

   4) Personal attacks in the form of SPECIFIC threats.

 A single off-topic message is not necessarily cause for Moderator
 action; however, the Moderator reserves the right to take
 whatever steps he deems necessary to insure the integrity and
 continuity of the conference.  In practice, this conference runs
 itself very well; the Moderator does not expect that he will be
 called upon to take action very often, and takes such action only
 under the most compelling of circumstances.


 End PT. I
    Marv Cotton & Russell Coombs
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: 48 Hours
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:35:00 GMT


  A few weeks ago the CBS news show 48 Hours did a show on missing and
  abducted children.  I mentioned in this area my concerns on the first
  portion dealing with the recovery of a boy abducted by his
  non-custodial mother five years ago, at the age of 4.  I asked in this
  area reactions to that episode.  I have since received a reply from
  Mr. Andrew Heyward, the Executive Producer.  I will know post my
  letter and his reply and ask for comments and a discussion on this
  subject.
    Marv Cotton, Heidi Search Center.

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Bruce.Edwards@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bruce Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Children's Services
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:33:40 GMT

Hi,
    ALso along these lines are the tactics used by some CPS workers. I  know of
one case where a girl called a hotline to talk to someone about  sexual abuse.
The hotline told her they were real busy at the moment but  to give them her
phone number and they would call back. They never did  call back they called
the police and had her removed from the house. Now  the girls problem is not
only dealing with the broken home and the sexual  abuse, but, now she has to
wonder about who she can trust. Granted, the  hotline did remove the child from
the situation but, I have to wonder how  much additional damage they did in the
process.
 Bruce
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: More Safety Tips For Your Child -- Please Save This Article!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:29:34 GMT
Expires: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


Does Your Child Know These Important Safety Tips?

1.  I know that if I arrive home and see that any window or door is
open or broken, I should not go in.  I know to go to a trusted neighbor and
call "911" or "0" for Operator.

2.  If I am home alone and the phone rings, I know to never let a stranger
know I'm home alone.  I know to say, "My mother/father can't come to the
phone right now."

3.  I know that it is okay to hang up the telephone if I don't like
what I hear, such as strange noises, scary talk or nothing at all.

4.  I know that a stranger is anyone (man or woman) who is not known by me.

5.  I know never to help a stranger with directions, fix their cars, find
their lost pet or let a stranger take my picture.

6.  If a stranger is following me, instead of hiding in bushes or
behind a building, I know to go to a place where there are people and
ask for help.

7.  I know that even though I may see and recognize certain people
(like the mailman, ice cream truck driver, newspaper person, etc.), these
people are considered strangers to me and I should never go with them
without permission from my mom/dad.

8.  I know my three rules if I find myself in a dangerous situation:

	SAY NO! 
	RUN AWAY WHILE SCREAMING HELP!
	TELL A TRUSTED ADULT!


These tips are brought to you by Child Quest International, a non-profit
organization dedicated to the protection and recovery of missing, abused,
and exploited children.  Child Quest, headquartered in San Jose, California,
has a Safety Tip Coloring Book available for your child/children.  To receive
your book, just call or write Child Quest, 1190 Coleman Avenue, Suite 1D,
San Jose, CA  95110  (408) 492-1122.  For sighting calls only, call
(800) 248-8020.
From: Bruce.Edwards@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bruce Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Frustration...
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:50:24 GMT

It helps the people that have someone missing to log on and see someone  cares.
It helps survivors like myself to know that other children might  not have the
things done to them that were done to us. It helps.
 thankyou
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found Child List
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:10:14 GMT


  Russ Coombs and I have been working with the National Center For
Missing and Exploited Children to distribute GIFs of Missing children
since November 1990.  I am part of an organization in Universal City
Texas called the Heidi Search Center which was founded following the
abduction and murder of an 11 year old girl in San Antonio, TX in Aug.
1990.  I can be reached at the Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd.
   Universal City, TX 78148.

   Since we have been distributing the GIFs the following children have
been found.  These findings cannot be attributed to the GIFs anymore
then they can to pictures on milk cartons.  The important thing is that
caring people such as yourselves are working to end this problem.

   The children that have been found are;

      1.GIF     Amy Michelle Agresto   CHILD1.ZIP
      8.GIF     Frank Joseph Agresto   CHILD1.ZIP
     11.GIF     Jennifer Anne Kubus    CHILD1.ZIP
     15.GIF     Natasha Borres         CHILD1.ZIP
     27.GIF     Karen Campbell         CHILD2.ZIP
     57.GIF     Julie Lynn Main        CHILD3.ZIP
     64.GIF     Dylan Avery Winburn    CHILD4A.ZIP
     65.GIF     Morgan L. Winburn      CHILD4A.ZIP
     66.GIF     Kathina Colleen Koenig CHILD4A.ZIP
     67.GIF     Jason Robert Hunt      CHILD4A.ZIP
     68.GIF     Erik Dylan Anderson Damaine CHILD4A.ZIP
     73.GIF     Tyler Winslow Inman    CHILD4A.ZIP
    114.GIF     Melissa Ann Bryant     CHILD4.ZIP
    117.GIF     Terry Michael Matchett CHILD4.ZIP
    121.GIF     Mark Richard Giesecke  CHILD4.ZIP
    127R.GIF     Paula M. Palancia     CHILD5.ZIP
    128R.GIF     Joseph B. Palancia    CHILD5.ZIP
    129R.GIF     Dallas Lee Sutherland CHILD5.ZIP
    135R.GIF    Thor Durning           CHILD5.ZIP
    136R.GIF    Kirk Durning           CHILD5.ZIP
    141R.GIF    Jason James Dean McQuaker (D)  CHILD5.ZIP
    164.GIF     Jennifer King          CHILD6.ZIP
    180.GIF     Jason Reid             CHILD7.ZIP
    201.GIF     Amanda Otter           CHILD8.ZIP
    231.GIF     Aimee Veronica Harrison CHILD10.ZIP
    240.GIF     Heather Schell         CHILD10.ZIP
    262.GIF     Theresa A. Mills       CHILD11.ZIP
    302.GIF     Kimberly Swanson       CHILD14.GIF
    350.GIF     Patrick Gieser         CHILD15.ZIP
    364.GIF     Paul Sanchez           CHILD16.ZIP
    374.GIF     Donna Watson           CHILD17.ZIP
    378.GIF     Dubenion Joseph Moss   CHILD17.ZIP
    392.GIF     Caroline Taromino      CHILD18.ZIP
    419.GIF     Adam Gregory Galindo   CHILD20.ZIP
    438.ZIP     Monique Goodman        CHILD22.ZIP
    444.GIF     Jessica Fretti         CHILD23.ZIP
    449.GIF     Fayza Aly              CHILD23.ZIP
    461.GIF     Shawnlee Matilda Perry (D) CHILD25.ZIP
    491.GIF     Raymond Trent Whitley  CHILD28.ZIP

   Russ and I would like to thank everyone for participating and
helping.

   Marv Cotton and Russ Coombs, Moderators
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: For what it's worth...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:33:59 GMT

shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:

> alt.missing-kids.  I can't imagine that the folks on the Fido side of
> the system really feel it imperative that we on the Internet read all
> of their personal messages.  I can only surmise that it is some sort
> of power/control issue, which is really too bad.

It is not imperative and to think so denotes a degree of naivete`
that I had not thought possible.  Fidonet is  (as is some of Usenet)
operated virtually totally by volunteers, some very new to the idea
of electronic communications (newsgroups, echoes, etc.).  This is not
only from the operator's side but from the folks who habitate the
various groups.  Configurations go awry, posters exhibit what might
be considered inappropriate behavior, and so forth.  For the most part,
the problem is short-lived, often handled by a well-directed message
to the person or organization from whence the problem originated.  The
knee-jerk reactions I have seen towards an entire electronic network
do nothing to enhance the flow of meaningful communications.

"...ALL of the personal messages."  (emphasis mine)  Generalities
do little to further your point.  You are not reading ALL of anybody's
personal messages, only a minute drop in the bucket.  I am not condoning
what happened, by any means.  Neither am I going to sit back and watch
left-handed swipes be directed at a group of volunteers on 19,000
systems who have borne the brunt of attacks from what I can only see
is an elist attitude from a collection of networks that pride itself
on the widespread dissemination of information.  A usenet admin lets
leak a 3-month backlog of old news and/or hoses distribution of a
few hundred newsgroups by recalictrant control messages, and it's
"Oh, gee.  Too bad.  Here's what to do to help..."  Let a wrinkle
develop from Fidonet and it's the end of the world.

Come on, folks.  There's work to be done here.  Let the admins on
all sides of the net do their job--you have yours cut out for you.
From: Mike.O'malley@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Mike O'malley)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: statistics
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:34:38 GMT

In a message of 04 Oct 92  14:57:00, Marv Cotton wrote:

MC>   Mike, according to The U.S. Dept. of Justice report based on a study
MC>   performed in 1988 the numbers are as follows;
MC> 
MC>       114,600 attempted abductions by non-family members.
MC>         4,600 abductions by non-family members reported to the police
MC>           300 abductions by non-family members where children were gone
MC>             for a long period of time or murdered
MC>       354,000 children abducted by family members
MC>       127,100 children who were THROWN away.
MC>       438,200 children who were lost, injured or otherwise missing.
MC>       450,700 children who ran away.
MC>     These are numbers for one year.  Please remember also that because a
MC>   child is abducted by a family member does not necessarily mean that
MC>   the child is either safe or well taken care.
MC> 
MC>       Marv Cotton, Heidi Search Center
MC> 
 Absolutely stunning! That's over 1.4 million. How many are found/return both
well and otherwise? For me, I consider the worst one of that list is the one
for chidren who are thrown away.
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:47:00 GMT

NR>I just want u to know that that wasnt me.....i am a 15 year old
NR>male......either its a different "the reverend" or somebody got on as
NR>me....i donno.....but it wasnt me........seeya

NR>--- QuickBBS 2.76 (Gamma-3)
NR> * Origin: The Wandering Consultant Line 4 (719)-591-4404 (1:128/45)

  Nathan, this "The Reverend" is from Florida and the SysOp and NEC
  there took care of him immediately.
     Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing Child Gif
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:49:00 GMT

LH> -=> Quoting Julia Sidebottom to Peggy Mcbride <=-

LH> JS> *** Quoting Peggy Mcbride to Julia Sidbottom dated 09-21-92 ***
LH> > I wont ask why your name is spelled wrong! :)  But anyway, there is a
LH> > local BBS, that carrys GIFS Of missing children, it is long distance to
LH> > you, but I do pay for a private local node, if you want me to get them
LH> > for you, let me know!
LH> >

LH>I am asking this message again because they re-organized FIDONET in
Montreal
LH>and I lost my feed for a few days.

LH>1) How do we get those GIFS over here in Montreal?

LH>2) How do we in Montreal add to this collection?

LH>3) Does anybody have a program that will time enhance a GIF so that we can
LH>see
LH>what the child looks like in, say, five years? (again how do we get that
ove
LH>here in Montreal?)

LH>4) Is there any other BBS's in Montreal taking part in this ECHO?

LH>Thanks, Larry Hyman

  Larry,
   I receive pictures of missing children from both the National Center
   for Missing and Exploited Children and the Texas Department of Safety
   Missing Persons Clearing house.  We scan these pictures to create the
   GIFs.
    I was distributing them in zipped packets on request by SysOps when
    the filled out a request form.  I am now distributing them through
    the FILEBONE.   This method will be available to all networks
    receiving this echo if someone in that net is willing to Gate the
    FILEBONE.
     I distributed 31 GIFs last week, but have stopped to give SysOps a
     chance to make arrangements to receive the GIFs.  Presently there
     are over 530 GIFs.
       The National Center does age enhancement on many of their
       pictures.  They have a retired FBI agent and special software to
       do this and as far as I knwo are the only ones.

     Marv Cotton, Heidi Search Center.

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: Larry.Hyman@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Larry Hyman)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: In Response
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:11:00 GMT

-=> Quoting Marv Cotton to Larry Hyman <=-
 
 LH> * Originally By: Larry Hyman
 LH> * Originally To: :-57:000joan M. Diamond
 LH> * Originally Re: Re: in response
 LH> * Original Area: MISSING CHIL
 LH> * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.10
 
 LH>--- TriDog 4.0
 LH>  ! Origin: Simple Solutions, MTL, 514-327-3406 (1:167/224)
 LH>SEEN!BY: 19/99 116/18 141/340 170/400 900 209/209 382/1 387/255 406
 LH>SEEN!BY: 387/603 622 800 823 3804/7 3805/7 3817/2
 MC>
 MC>
 MC> Larry, check your feed.  We are getting dupes from you.
 MC> Marv Cotton, Co-moderator
 MC>
 MC> * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
 MC>
 
No it wasn't at the feeds end, it was at my end.... Bluewave had gone crazy on
me and I thought the original messages got sent out to la la land....
 
Sorry and Thanks, Larry Hyman
 
... With a Blue Wave of my hand I cleared away the SLMR!
*** Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
From: Dan.Ross@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: missing children
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:22:00 GMT

sorry, i don't know much about the echomail... i want to have it on my board,
but have no idea how to do it.. i have missing children files, all's i need is 
to have users from all around to call my board and download all of my missing
children files... sorry for the problem. thanks for answring my message.