HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: |\| | |/| - fixed, is it history??
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:24:46 GMT

I've been trying to get a copy of Nine Inch Nails' CD Single called
'fixed' since it was released.  First it was because SB is such a
podunk town (at least musically) that the stores didn't carry it.
Then I asked two of them to special order it.  No go.  Despite calls
back twice a week, they still just kept saying they'd get it in.
OK, so screw that plan, they're obviously not going to get their
act together.

Plan B then.  I have a friend that orders directly from a large
west coast distributor, and asked him to order it.  Well, he
called up his rep on Monday, and she said that they couldn't
sell it any more since it has been 'cut-out' by the record
company.  She also said something about them being returned and
they hoped they'd get their money back.  This is getting really
weird.  Oh hell.  OK, so this really sucks.  Emergency measures
required.  

So I'm talking to a friend in Raleigh, North Carolina, and he says 
he can probably pick up one more copy at a local store and send it 
to me.  So he calls around to some stores and they all say that 
they are out.  Some say they'll be getting more in at the end of the
week.  That usually means they plan to order more, not necessarily
that they are actually going to get any.  He hauls out the phone
book and calls some more places.  Same story.

Another friend calls some large stores including Tower in LA, and
is told they are all out, but plan to get more, and they haven't
heard anything about it being pulled.  Most of the LA stores can
get stuff from their distributors the same day, so this is looking
discouraging.

The friend back from Plan B wanted to get a copy too, so now he's
panicking that it is so unavailable.  OK, so he's in the Bay Area,
so it should be no problem, right?  Too bad.  He starts calling
a bunch of places, and gets the same story.  Finally after a few
dozen, he finds one place in Cupertino that has ONE copy left.
He's on his way there now as I speak.  OK, so now he has a copy,
but not me.  Sigh.

Does anyone else know about the deal with fixed?  Has it really
been pulled, or cut-out or whatever?  Why?  Anyone know of a
local place that still has one available?  I'm willing to pay
for someone to pick me up a copy and send it to me if it is
still available anyplace.  If this story is true, it might be
a good idea to go clean out any local stocks for future resale. ;)

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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 20:12:47 GMT


gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (The Body Thief) writes:
>Nurse W/Wound:		Homotopy to Marie [silence,occasional beats and chimes,
>			voices,instruments,silence,surreal dialogues,silence]

my personal recommendation would be "gyllenskold/brained."
"glory hole (for david lynch)" is truly cool.

>Hafler Trio:		ok, this is my fave of the ambient groups listed, w/

my recommendation would be KILL THE KING.  incredible layers of grungy
noise.  i love it.

>FLA:			try TACTICAL NEURAL IMPLANT first to see what you

skip front line assembly and head straight for DELERIUM which is their
ambient/gothic/soundtracky spinoff.  best picks for delerium are
"syrophenikan" and "stone tower."  if you're into dance floor fodder (i am),
go for the self-titled INTERMIX record.

also check out:

Doubting Thomas - the instrumental members of skinny puppy creating
beautiful and haunting (and noisy) soundtracks for nonexistent movies.

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From: msimla@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Michael Simla)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: front-line-assembly vid
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:40:33 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) writes:
>  
>                 Yeah, I saw that one too, and as you guys have said, I 
> too thought that the clips used were for some massive sci-fi movie.  I 
> mean it's compairable to T2 almost.
>         For a Vancouver group.... all the power to 'em... (& $$$, I 
> guess).
>  
>         >>Baden<<
> 


They got the footage from a Japanese Live action movie called GUNHED. 
Apparenlt, the producers of the Mindphazer video made a deal with the 
producers GUNHED to use some of their footage...


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From: midnite@milton.u.washington.edu (Midnite Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Pigface
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:55:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article <C0Gs7s.FDJ@well.sf.ca.us> edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein) writes:
>In article <C0AyBz.4C9@acsu.buffalo.edu> feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:
>>I recently saw Pigface, and I was wondering, as I'm not familiar with
>>*everyone* in the band... I know En Esch, Chris Connelly, Ogre, Trent
>>didn't play with them this time... What I want to know is: who is the
>>sweet-looking guy who's got longish wavy brown hair? He's the only member
>>of pigface who doesn't look completely murderous. He played some bass
>>and some keys, but so did everyone.
>>
>>Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
>>                      I'm alive - Love and Rockets

Sorry I didn't respond to the original..

When I saw Pigface at the Ritz in NYC, En Esch and Ogre were there. In fact,
they sang a majority of the songs. I was kinda disappointed that Connelly
didn't show..but I wasn't expecting Trent, he never shows.

--Midnite
From: miner@panix.com (Ed Miner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: CD's for Sale!
Summary: Industrial CD's for sale!
Keywords: industrial
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:33:13 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


Hello,

I have the following cds for sale.

AND ONE			FLOP!			$7
BATZ WITHOUT FLESH	THIS LIQUID		$7
CONTAGION		CONTAMINANT PCB		$7
DELERIUM		EUPHORIC		$7
DRESDEN	CODEX		OXIDE			$7
ELECTRO ASSASIN		JAMMING VOICE (import)	$9
EROTIC DISSIDENTS	MOVE YOUR ASS		$3
FORCE DIMENSION		DEUS EX MACHINA		$7
HAVOC			319(import)		$9
HILT			ORANGE PONY		$6
JOHNSON ENGINEERING CO.	UNLEASH(import)		$9
KODE IV			INSANE			$4
MACHINES LOVING GRACE	self titled		$7
PSYCHIC WARRIORS 	MAENAD			$3
SOLAR ENEMY		DIRTYvsUNIVERSE		$7
TERMINAL POWER COMPANY	RUN SILENT RUN DEEP	$7
WILL 			PEARL OF GREAT PRICE	$7

Will take $75 for all of them!
or best offer, please reply by email.


thanks,
ed
From: midnite@milton.u.washington.edu (Midnite Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Pigface
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:35:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan4.181248.19202@usl.edu> jkd2886@usl.edu (Davis Jason K) writes:
>
>	Has anyone else gotten the new (or newest) Pigface, "Fook"?
>I bought it a couple of weeks ago, and have come to the conclusion that they
>are better live.  I didn't get a chance to see them live (DAMMIT, everyone was
>rattling on about Ministry, and Pigface was playing an hour away the next day
>for less than HALF the price!!!).  From what I've heard off of "Welcome to
>Mexico..." they are incredible live.  I'm not incredibly impressed with 
>Fook, though.  Almost seems as if the recording quality didn't cut it.
>Anyone else have any comments?
>
>							Isenguard

I don't own the album myself, so I haven't listened to it extensively, but I
have heard it all the way through at least 4 times. I thought it was great.
I especially liked the 'range' of musical styles on it, IE, some very slow,
almost mellow songs, and plenty of fast hard moshing songs. 'Ten Ground And
Down' is my favorite song on the album (it's the second track..slow song
with cello and female singer, with Connely singing also).

I've seen Pigface live 3 times..once with KMFDM a long time ago (my first
real industrial show, I think), once with Silverfish I think, but I might be
confusing that with another KMFDM show, and most recently in NYC at The
Ritz. They played best at the KMFDM show from what I can remember of it.

At the Ritz they played with Evil Mother(s?) (kinda cheesy, they only played
like 4 songs), Moses on Acid (generic annoying techno, same beat for 45
minutes), Emergency Broadcast Network (awesome, incredible, mind blowing
sight & sound experience..I only wish I was 'altered' :), and Pyschic TV
(pretty good..nothing incredibly mind blowin, but good moshing). For $12.50,
it couldn't be beat though. Like a little industrial-Palooza. :)

-Midnite
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: obscurity and 8-track cartridges...
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:57:20 GMT

meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Red) writes:

>Easy Listening for Iron Youth - this was perfect for the unsuspecting
>bogan flatmate who would leave a mess trailed everywhere, he got yep
>"Cleanliness and Disorder", played to him 10 times a day to get the
>message across.

<teehee>  Flight Commander Ivo Attauzh and I played this on WEFT's
"Proto Destructo" show last week.  That was a truly EVIL couple of
hours of radio...

(BTW that would be "Cleanliness and Order"; there is no "Cleanliness
and Disorder" on ELIY.)

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: request for back-dated information
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:41:55 PST
Reply-To: flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Needed: any and all information on the PTV incident in England. Yes, it's 
old news, but a few people in Alaska didn't know about it, and I'd like 
to send it off to them.

Thank you.


__________________________________________________________________________
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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
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From: rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills)
Subject: KMFDM SUCKS $10
Organization: Harris Controls Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:33 GMT

  If it's $10 I imagine it must be the import version. 



	-Rich

rmills@ccd.harris.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein)
Subject: Re: Pigface
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:26:16 GMT

In article <C0AyBz.4C9@acsu.buffalo.edu> feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:
>I recently saw Pigface, and I was wondering, as I'm not familiar with
>*everyone* in the band... I know En Esch, Chris Connelly, Ogre, Trent
>didn't play with them this time... What I want to know is: who is the
>sweet-looking guy who's got longish wavy brown hair? He's the only member
>of pigface who doesn't look completely murderous. He played some bass
>and some keys, but so did everyone.
>
>Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
>                      I'm alive - Love and Rockets


You're probably referring to Matt Schultz.  When they played here (in the
bay area) last month, the Pigface set started off with Matt on stage by
himself making noises with his ATG, a large string instrument of his own
design.  I think he did play other instruments during the rest of the show.
Matt is also leader of a project called Lab Report, an experimental sort of
thing that recently released a CD called "Figure X-71" on Invisible Records.

--------
Ed Klein
4906627@mcimail.com
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From: mjk31124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mikester )
Subject: Re: Club in London
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:39:23 GMT

Odd Arild Meling <oddm@ifi.uio.no> writes:



>Does anyone know any Industrial Clubs in London?

>Odd
>oddm@ifi.uio.no

The one I went to last year was known as "the Wag"...
Great music from 21:00 to 4:00 in the morning... if you can
last that long... Bring a change of clothes and plenty of
bottled water.  They even frisk you at the door for weapons
so it's pretty safe...

---Mike
(mjk31124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: CLOCKDVA: Help me out, please!
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:00:13 GMT

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

>                                       Or will I meet it with the same
> revulsion instilled by their earlier works?

I am filled with revulsion when I listen to "Thirst".  It scares the
piss out of me.

Maybe that's why I like it so much.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: zyzzy@stein.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Pigface
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:03:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>
>Esch and Orge were with Pigface in Dallas too. Connelly was on the
>Ministry tour that was running concurrently.
>
>--Rob   spray@convex.com

In Seattle, Ministry had Mr. Connelly (who sang quite a bit) as well as
members of (ahem) Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana.  (old home week.)

Connelly was great.

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From: crimson@omar.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem wrote and boy is he pissed...
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:57:37 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
NNTP-Posting-Host: omar.wpi.edu

galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) writes:
>
>I don't think the letter could have been clearer...well, it could have  
>been clearer without Roberts inserted comments...
no, it would have been as boring as Negativland must be to the aborigine...

>As we move into the information age people are going to have to recognize  
>that authorship, intellectual property, copyright, etc. are as important  
>as the protection of physical property.  Kasem's voice is the heart of his  
>product, as U2's music is the heart of their product.

Two observations: 
alpha- Product. Power. Product. Power. Product. Power. Product. [loop]

omega- 
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                    | \ |  | c |
                    |  \|   \_/


joe

ps- I don't think you got permission from those of us in the Information
Age[tm]  to use that term -- please return to Bedrock, and stop swimming in our
synthetic reality if you can't handle seeing it recycled.

pps- please try to sue me for quoting you without permission.

>2. It seems to me that in the Zoo-TV tour U2's use of downlinked "random"  
>transmissions for presentation on their projection TV units was also a  
>copyright violation.
This was covered in whatever ish of Mondo in which The Boys from Contra Costa 
interviewed the Edge [reprinted in _the letter U and the numeral 2_
propagandrag...

As for me, I sample from Negativland -- so there!

[btw, followups redirected for those who skip the headers...]



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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: les@grenada.cam.bellcore.com (1es)
Subject: ministry / skinny puppy stuff wanted
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:15:34 GMT

dunno if this has been brought up before, but since i dont read this group
often, i figured id post anyways.

i need some ministry and skinny puppy stuff.  more specifically:

	ministry:
		already have jbmr, and psalm69 gifs; want more!

	skinny puppy:
		already have 2dark park gif; want more!
		want lyrics for last rights and back and forth series 2
		want samples info from all their work, like:
			a transcription of the sample
			where the sample came from

if anyone can tell me where i can ftp this stuff (numeric address) or some
other way of acquiring it, id appreciate it!

-1es

-- 
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 les@grenada.cam.bellcore.com     | fraternize carefully       - skinny puppy
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: an3682@anon.penet.fi (jak)
Subject: front-line-assembly vid
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.music.industrial
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:45:28 GMT

i recently saw a front-line-assembly video on the box,
a really amazing production, like mega-bucks spent.  So 
i guess it's from an upcoming sci-fi/cyber/tekno type movie,
but i've heard nothing about it.  Does anyone out there know
anything about it?? it looks pretty damn incredible ........
   

jak
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From: "Ken Rawlings" <krawling@mango.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: My Trent, you look so, umm....
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:21:53 -0500

	Okay, I finally get to see the video for "Wish" and what I get
is basically a cheaper version of the "Head like a Hole" vid. Cool, I
can cope.

	But will someone clue me into why excatly Trent is doing the
cross dressing thing? I mean, ok, wear the long black gloves, but
aren't fishnet stockings a bit much?

-kdr
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: |\| | |/| - fixed, is it history??
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:47:59 GMT

In article <C0rn4z.7MB@news.udel.edu> yale@bach.udel.edu (Christopher Rob Robe) writes:
>  I've been looking for a copy of "fixed" for some time now too and have
>  been plagued with the same ill-fated luck.  Can anyone somehow get me
>  in touch with a copy, please?  Anything, but I really want to have a
>  copy of fixed too.

I just walked into Musicland on the release date. Looked at the CD-5 section,
and walked out in less than 1 min with a copy of "Fixed" for $6.49 + tax.

and this is is West Lafayette, IN, podunk city.

Jester
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Subject: Re: Ministry review, SF
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:20:39 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
To: thf

Forgive me for not quoting.

Re:  Can life get any worse than having to sit through Hank Williams Sr. 
at a Ministry concert.

Not really. The same thing happened here.  I, too, was overcome with that 
introspective 'get-me-back-in-the-womb' feeling.  I asked a friend why 
this sort of thing is done.  He didn't know, but I've assumed it's either 
to 1) Ca everyone down a bit, or 2) make the next band sound _that_ much 
better.  And when you have a band like Sepeltura playing, you'll want as 
much assistance as possible.  Holy.  

Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (infophage)
Subject: Re: front-line-assembly vid
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Reply-To: mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (phage)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:12:14 GMT

In article <1ii1q1INN4vs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dpc2@po.CWRU.Edu (David P. Caldwell) writes:
>     In case no one has said this yet, the clips in Mindphaser (I believe
>that footage was used in other FLA TacNeuImp vids as well) are from one of
>those super-duper "Anime!" (Japanese animation) films.  FLA apparently
>bought the rights to use the clips from the filmmakers or whomever.  I
>don't know the title of the film, does anyone else?  Anybody have more
>details?

Yeah, the anime film is called Gunhed.  That's all I know about it
though, as I've never seen the film or the video...
--
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From: mason@netcom.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: obscurity and 8-track cartridges...
Organization: Charnel House
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:26:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.035146.5728@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
> It's really a shame that 8-tracl cartridges went out of style. They would
>be perfect for tape-loop recordings that meets my noise needs. 

They're not totally dead, just mostly. I got a great limited-edition
Chop Shop release that's an 8-track noise loop. Pretty wonderful.
They do have their uses. It's also really easy, though, to buy some
cassette loops such as answering machines use. There's a place here
in San Francisco, for example, which sells endless cassettes for things
like Muzak in stores and so forth. You can get custom lengths and all,
and I've used a lot of them in the past as backing noise loops like
for SRL shows. Very handy. You just can't use an auto-reverse tape
deck with them, but other than that they're just the thing.


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From: ssowder@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem wrote and boy is he pissed...
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:19:29 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <malcolm.726857810@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>Does the crime justify the punishment? 
>Should the "theft" carry with it a punishment that costs more than any 
>       profits from the theft?  
>Did Negativland really do this for profit or were they knowingly martyring
>       themselves? 

Are U2 married to a great idea?
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