HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Comment on election
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:06:20 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Dec20.183100.21645@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>
>      I was very excited using 'finger .election*.'
>But I can see only result of 18.x % counting. I saw someone would
>post the result every hour.  Well, I was disappointed about this
>promise.  I hope that President-elect 0-3 ( Young_Sam, Yesterday I played
>tennis which game scores were three times of 0-3. :-) ) will not follow 
>this kind of eating one's own words.   

   Let me clarify this. Someone from KAIST said that he would  post
the result every hour. But, he and possibly his friends changed their plan
and made the result available more efficiently by 'finger'. You know, USENET
is very slow transmitting articles from site to site so that it's not so
practical to use it as to use 'finger' to make election news available to
anyone in the world.  
  The reason they stopped updating result after 18.x % is obvious as they said
in '.plan' of '.election'. Unlike in US election, with 18.8 % of votes opened
and 6-7% gap between two front-runner, it's virtually hopeless that final
result would be different from the result at that point.  (18.8 % is a big
enough sample to predict final result). More than that, they might have been
disappointed by the result and gone out to drink. Of course, I hope they
went back to their work instead of going out to drink.  
  

>
>un-sig.

   Jungshik Shin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 20 DEC 92 06:42:41 CST

In a previous article, tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu wrote:

>The only problem might be they have less charisma compared to DJ.

Absence of chrisma is not a problem for democracy. It's really dangerous,
indeed. Absence of a rational mind, on the contrary, is a real problem for
democracy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hyunk@seas.smu.edu (Hyun Cheul Kim)
Subject: Proud of being a Korean
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:51:14 GMT

>	The winner lauded Kim Dae Jung, Chung and four other contenders for
>Their efforts in the elections, and said he would lend his ears to the
>voices of their supporters as well.
>	``I send hearty congratulations to Mr. Kim Young-sam,'' Kim Dae Jung
>said at a news conference. ``I am resigning from the National Assembly
>to lead the life of a common man.'' However he said he will keep his
>membership in his party.
>	Chung Ju-yung, whose major target during the campaign was Kim Young-
>sam, offered his own congratulations to the winner. ``I think there were
>problematic aspects in the election process but I will humbly accept the
>popular verdict,'' Chung said.

Finally! the democracy at work!

We must congratulate our selves for being democratically mature.
Kudos to both DJ,YS,and JY!!!






Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: our names were chosen along time ago
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:27:48 GMT

In article <734@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>I heard that our names    
>
> -family name- -first given name- -middle given name-
>
>were pre set a looooooong time ago by the clan patriarch.

Last name and generation name is pre-set.  You still have freedom of one
character.  Some revolutionary mothers may choose not to follow the
generation character as a sign of innovation.  I know one mother who chose
not to follow the old book and took freedom of naming both characters with
permission of the clan elders.

The kids who were named under that circumstance ended up being somewhat of
an odd-ball who do not share much in common with the cousins of the same
generation.  Indeed, names may have some effect on the bearer's fate.

James Choi
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: ^^^^^    C A L L   for   P O L L S   A G A I N   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:32:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



Dear Friends:

I am STILL waiting for your votes.  The deadline has been changed
from Dec. 18, 5:00  to DEC. 18, 11:00 p.m. in central time.

    Cast a vote for ONE among the following Korean presidential
    candidates:


                   JY (Ju-Yung Chung)
                   YS (Young-Sam Kim)
                   DJ (Dae-Jung Kim)

                   If other else,  send the candidate's full name.




Just simply send mail directly to me along with your favorite's
INITIALS or FULL NAME.   PLEASE DON'T POST IT ON S.C.K   TO PROTECT
IT FROM OVERFLOWS.

Your coorporation will be appreciated.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


                        Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                        Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.
                        Industrial Engineering

                        MJ03@Lehigh.edu
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:55:05 GMT
Organization: swarthmore college

In article <62850@mimsy.umd.edu>, kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
> 
> I too am one of those people who are extremely disappointed by Korean
> pop/rock.  It's just not rock music, and it's pretty abysmal as pop
> music. 

Amen to that.  The hardest thing for me in living in Korea ( well, after
traffic, smog and the high potential for death every time you set foot in a
motor vehicle) is the pop music.  It's beyond abysmal.  In four years I've
only heard two pop songs that I thought were even tolerable ("horang nabi"
and that wo-wo-wo-wo-wo Indian song, whose title I've forgotten).  The
western songs that are imported are even worse.  I once heard three
Carpenters songs in the span of one week at cafes I was dragged to by
friends...

 Has anybody Korean ever hit the hit charts outside of Korea
> and Japan?  Are there any Korean artists acknowledged worldwide, such
> as Yellow Magic Orchestra or Ryuichi Sakamoto?  
>  I'm bringing up these Japanese examples because
> they are also Asian and have managed to make a mark in the Western
> world.
> 
Don't forget Shonen Knife either.  The day Korea can produce a band half as
good as Shonen Knife, I'll stand up and wave my taegukki with true pride.

> Another peeve: how come Peter Gabriel's Real World label hasn't
> released anything from Asia so far?  Should we deluge their offices
> with pansori and traditional Korean court music tapes?
 
How about Samulnori?  Now that's real music.  Technically amazing and even
though it may be nongak, more anything else in Korean music, it absolutely
breathes the spirit of the best rock and roll, if you ask me.  Passion,
rebellion, energy... 

> Anyway, one thing I've noticed about Korean pop music is that you
> can sing along to most of the stuff.  Most of what one hears on
> rock or alternative music radio stations around here is not stuff
> you can sing along to easily.  (When was the last time you sang
> a Kate Bush song a capella and still managed to sound halfway
> decent?)  So maybe the expectations on pop music are a bit different.

I'm not so sure I agree with this.  I think the best rock songs-- even the
best punk rock songs (my favorite genre)-- are ones you can sing along
with.  Kate Bush, you must agree, is something of an exception
 
> yong-mi
> peevish

Stephen
in (almost) complete agreement 
>
From: peterj@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Hohwan Jang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:10:55 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

ho ho ho!  have we been good this year?!  Santa has something for everyone...
except for you and you for being so bad!  hee hee.  i thought i'd test this
posting with greetings!!

merry Christmas and God bless everyone (in Tiny Tim's voice!).

					peter


#include ".plan"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.052345.21328@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	Just one question, James.  If rap is not music because there
>is only beat, are drums, cymbals, triangles and other percussion instruments
>not musical instruments?

They are percussion instruments that are usually used in music.  Thus, they
can be referred as musical instruments if they are used in musical context.
That's why I do not think of my frying pan as a musical instrument, but as
a cooking instrument just because of its application.

>  Corollary #1:  Drummers, like Alex Van Halen
>and Phil Collins not musicians?

My favorites are John Bonham and Neil Peart.  They are musicians because
they play MUSIC, or take a part in making music.

>  Corollary #2:  Drum solos and Korean
>drum dancing are not music?

Drum solo is very short relative to the whole record (or concert) length.
It is seen more as a break in the whole music flow.  Every single rock
concert I have been to (I go rather frequently) featured drum solo and I
think it is an integral part of any rock concert.  I think drum solo can be
seen as music because it takes a part in it, but I do not feel it is music
by itself.

Once again, I am no authority in music.  My views are just what I feel.
Your feel is just as good as anyone else's.

>T. H. Brian Chung

James Choi
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: Reading HAN.* news group
Message-I.d.: <1992Dec9.005728.20044@worak.kaist.ac.kr>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:52:01 GMT

 In article <1992Dec9.005728.20044@worak.kaist.ac.kr> jycha@khsun.kyunghee.ac.kr (Jong-Yul Cha) writes:
>Here is a HAN.* news group list.
>
>    han.general
>    han.hangul
>    han.archives
>    han.fun
>    han.games
>    han.mail
>    han.network
>    han.news
>    han.news.admin
>    han.news.announce
>    han.test
>    han.sdn.general
>    han.kreonet.general
>    han.kren.general
>    han.ara
>    han.kids
>    han.hitel.plaza
>    han.hitel.fun
>
>I wish everyone could make best use of it.
>

After changing the NNTPSERVER, I could get those groupes. However
when I tried to read one of them, only lots of ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ were shown on 
screen.  

I use iyagi or hangul modified ncsa network software with hsh.com
(hangul kscode emulator for modos hercules machine).
Usually I use iyagi to use modem at home and
htelbin(ncsa network soft) on the AT in LAB wich had a ethernet card in
for hangul reading.

Any help for me to read those hangul news for korea NNTPSERVER?
Thanks
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>   The reason Korean society makes so much issue out of orange-jok
>or how rich spends their money is that it represents a major
>problem in Korea: an enormous gap between upper and lower classes.
>Not many rich people in Korea are from old money. Most people had
>to struggle after the War. There are some, due to unstable economy(?)
>'overnight riches'. All these lead to attitude of 'money can buy
>everything'.  It is extremely difficult for the lower class to move
>upward in the present Korean system.  It's only natural that these
>people feel angered and frustrated in facing such people like
orange-jok.

Actually, I heard that social mobility in Korea is comparatively high,
probably because of the instability. It is never easy for poor people to move
upward anywhere. If you have 'old money' that means that things are
stable and also more likely to be stratified.

The 'overnight riches' or nouveau rich are never well liked regardless 
of any objective distribution of wealth or income or even
social mobility. All cultures and all societies dislike them period.
For a variety of reasons, people tend to think of them as less deserving
of their wealth than others.  I think its because people tend to forget
how much luck has to do with anybody's wealth and tend to overestimate
how deserving they themselves as well as 'old money' are. Isn't 'old money'
merely the kids of former nouveau rich  who learned through expensive 
education and polishing to at least act as if they had class anyway? 

As for myself, I am enough of a snob to look down upon the crass
flaunting of wealth and arrogant enough to question anyone's purchase
of environmentally unsound luxury cars that many orange-jok drive.
While I shouldn't be prejudiced against anybody, even including
orange-jok, I have many more urgent flaws that need to be taken
care of.
-Han 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Dear Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President )
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:01:45 GMT


Who should be a leader of next generation ? Park Chan Jong? Lee Chul?
This is also one of the most interesting issue for me.  However, unfortunately,
I'm in Final Exam period now.  So, let's discuss about this to our heart's 
content during spring break.

Sincerely,

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Reading HAN.* news group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:15:00 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec15.025701.12774@news2.cis.umn.edu> seungwoo@exa.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) writes:
>In article <Bz9oDz.Azw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee) writes:
>|> What is a NNTPSERVER and how do I access these News Groups ?
>|> Give me some details.  
>|> 
>|> - Yuri
>|> 
>NNTPSERVER is a system variable. rtin looks for this variable and connects
>[... about NEWSRC .. bogus news groups.....]

	I'll post as soon as I get the update from news-men in kaist.ac.kr.

	But for now, let me just show you what I do to avoid the confusion.

	FOR rn/rrn/trn/rtrn users and csh/tcsh users,
	(sorry, I've never liked or be friendly with sh/ksh/bash).

	in my .cshrc/.tcshrc,

alias rn 'echo use def-rn or han-rn'
alias def-rn 'setenv NNTPSERVER mojo.eng.umd.edu;\
	setenv NEWSRC ~/newsrc/$NNTPSERVER;\rn'
alias han-rn 'setenv NNTPSERVER worak.kaist.ac.kr;\
	setenv NEWSRC ~/newsrc/$NNTPSERVER;\rn'

	in above, you can replace 'rn' with its similar cousins -
	rrn/trn/rtrn; and yes, I have 2 seperate newsrc files.
	AND I REMOVED MY DEF. ~/.newsrc in order to avoid confusion.

	FOR tin/rtin users,

alias tin 'echo use def-tin or han-tin'
alias def-tin 'setenv NNTPSERVER mojo.eng.umd.edu;\
	\tin -f ~/newsrc/$NNTPSERVER'
alias han-tin 'setenv NNTPSERVER worak.kaist.ac.kr;\
	\tin -f ~/newsrc/$NNTPSERVER'

FYI, tin has much better user interface; but personally, I prefer trn
on its threading.

P.S.	don't even try my local nntp server in example,
	that's just for local people.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: A question about Korea ..............
Keywords: Korea
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.223308.22076@rchland.ibm.com> song@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Timothy Song) writes:
>What must Korea do to become economic superpower ?

	The answer to this question is left to the reader as an exercise.

	But seriously, this is a long an protracted matter.  I don't think
anyone can answer you in one sitting.  But since this is Usenet, this
will generate a whole lot of discussions and flames.  When the smoke has
cleared, and ashes are cleaned, you will be none the wiser.  I personally
have a long and protracted thought, but the margin is too small for me
to write them down.

	But I'll just briefly lay down my points.  Anyone wishing to 
discuss this matter in depth with me will be better off leaving me
an e-mail.  I'm going back to Korea tomorrow, and by the time I come back
most of the follow-ups will have been expired.

	1.  Cut defense budget.  Extra money for economic development is
always helpful.
	2.  Bigger government spending.  
	3.  Smart economic planning.  Find a competitive advantage rather
than comparative advantage.
	4.  Better education.
	5.  A LOT OF LUCK

>


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos? (HELP!)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:44:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>In article <Dec.11.19.33.22.1992.18925@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>>

>	I'm pretty novice on PC; but I think the best way for your case
>	might be getting HANGUL WINDOWS 3.01 (don't trust me too much
>	on this, this is just an opinion and please do research on this
>	beforehand, since you have to pary some money for this).

	I must tell you that I hate to use Windoze, it is a piece of garbage.
	And about Windoze NT, who are they kidding?  Just couldn't resist.
	Is there anyone in Korea using OS/2 2.0? I heard that it's similar to 
	Hangul Windoze 3.01, but hell lot better.

>	Also, I'm not quite sure how the telnet for PC works;
>	in UNIX, it normally inherits the your terminal behaivor;
>	but you have to make sure your telnet does not strip off
>	MSB.

	CUTCP Telnet emulates popular terminals.

>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com

Jung	
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.091633.14050@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>And I always thought that orange juice was bad for digestive system
>of Koreans.  Talking of orange juice, would netters be surprised if I say
>people living in the U.S. may have orange juice *more* *readily*
>available than those living in orange *producing* country?  That's how
>much U.S. dollar is powerful.  So, just by streching imagination, seems
>like Korean won is getting there too.  At least, for some people.  Ant
>that was an early morning rumbling without overcharging the system.

	No, it's milk that's bad, well, at least, doesn't agree with
our digestive system.  Some Asians lack certain kind of enzyme that breaks
down milk and when they drink milk, it can wreak havoc with their
digestive system.  I know, I'm one of them.  I can drink couple of glasses,
but if I drink more, I have to make a quick trip to the bathroom.  One
of my suitemantes, who was Chinese, couldn't drink milk at all.

	Talking about OJ, what the heck are you talking about?  The US
*is* an orange-producing country.  Florida Sunkist, for example.


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:46:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.201725.19774@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.194314.14783@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>
>>>	Go back to my previous post.  It's in there.
>>
>>Oh did you? I don't think you wrote anything based on the FACT!
>>We need FACT!
>>
>
>	This reminds me of the flame war I was in over the summer against
>some silly Maoist from MIT.  But anyway, as I wrote, the facts are that
>DJ is patriarchal, surrounds himself with zealots who call him "our
>teacher" and doesn't let anyone to grow as the next potential leader.

O.K. I admit that I don't understand how this YOUR idea
is connected to trust issue and how is YOUR idea true.

>Also, the fact was that DJ promised repeatedly that he would not run
>for presidency if the government changed the constitution to allow
>popular voting in 1988.  He broke his promise.

Now you are talking the fact which is related to 'trust' issue. yes it is true
that DJ said that and broke his promise.
But I wonder you know that YS said the same thing. YS repeatedly said that
he would not run for the presidency if Government let DJ out of jail.
Suprisingly (?) he broke his promise and ran for the presidency.
I don't trust YS because he changed his opinion on 'Kumyung Silmyonje' at least
twice and he changed his opinion on 'Jibang Jachije' at least twice 
without any obvious reason (except he changed his party without through
election). Should I believe what he is saying during campaign?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Rap music and ice-T (was orange-jok)
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:03:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.144038.15557@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <628@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>>Ice-T's lyrics would have been offensive if they were sang to any 
>>music.  ...
>
>True.  But trivial as it might be, the fact is that it *was* ice-T who 
>did the rap, it *was* rap the vehicle of such an 'artistic' expression.
>The rest is strictly individual choice.  I have spoken.
>

	And thus spake the oracle...  :-S  I agree with Hanhwe.  I must
agree with Hanhwe.  The content of the lyric should be what's important
here, not the vehicle or the person.  I don't care if it's Ice-T singing
rap or Placido Domingo singing an aria, if the lyric is offensive, then
that's what's important.  Any musical style will have it's share of
offensive lyrics.  We already know about rap.  Rock music has been
accused of having offensive lyrics countless times.  And take a look
at, say, Phantom of the Opera.  Half the music is about sex and I'm sure
there is a Senator from South Carolina who would like to see the musical
banned.


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543