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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Going to Somalia
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:13:54 GMT
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yarvin@cs (Norman Yarvin) writes:

>>jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>>>>>  I just wish the hatred and violence would be
>>>>>targeted at the right target, ie. people like you, instead of any
>>>>>random U.S. citizen.  Perhaps if enough of people like you were
>>>>>killed, the rest would start doing something about the reasons.

>>You know, I wonder if Jyrki realizes that he is saying violent harm should
>>be done to me for expressing my beliefs.

No, he said you deserved to be treated as you would have others treated.

I can see why this might disturb you, however.


>>That he is expressing his dislike for freedom of speech.

Or his preference for intelligent, thoughtful, considerate, civilized
speech ...

I love it the way mealymouthed little slimeballs go all ballistic when
someone appears to threaten _their_ civil rights, after they've just
finished engaging in some sort of wishy-washed, sophistical nonsense
about how nobody else has Constitutional guarantees of freedom of ex-
-pression just because they aren't an American.

Like rights and responsibilities changed when you crossed a border.

Ptui.


>>			  That he is saying the beliefs of people like myself
>>should be changed not by persuasion, but by persecuting us, nay, killing us,
>>until we decide we were wrong.

Like you would do to anyone who did the same thing in Somalia.

Self-righteous little twerps make me ill.

< insert sound of large wastebasket being filled to the brim with lunch >


-- richard

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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:58:34 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.150624.26020@news.media.mit.edu> stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.011855.27590@r-node.gts.org> ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
>>Here is a press release from the American Medical Association.

>> AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
>> To: National Desk, Medical Writer
>> Contact:  Dan Maier, 615-871-5078
>>           or Lydia Steck, 312-464-5372, both of the
>>           American Medical Association

>>   Walkers are popular with parents who hope to enhance the walking
>>skills of their children.  But research indicates the devices may
>>actually hamper walking development.  Studies show that children
>>who use walkers often bypass the crawling stage, retarding
>>development of certain cognitive skills, such as reading.

>I agree that walkers can hamper walking development (babies apparently
>use different muscles and coordination to move a walker around), but I
>wish they hadn't tagged on the assertion that skipping crawling could
>hamper cognitive development.  I think this is rather ireesponsible
>reporting.  I understand from what I've read that it's moderately
>common to skip the crawling stage.  My daughter was *driven* to get
>vertical, and only crawled for a very brief time.  (We never used a
>walker) It's very clear to me that there's nothing wrong with her
>cognitive skills.  This kind blythe assertion is bound to make a lot
>of parents unnecessarily nervous IMHO!

Stanzi, how on Earth can you possibly know if practically skipping
crawling adversely effected her reading ability?  After all, no matter
how good she is, she could be better.

Am I the only person who is disturbed at the way many people seriously
seem to believe that anecdotal evidence like the above is serious
evidence against a scientific study?

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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:17:31 GMT

In article <1296500460@igc.apc.org> pnmideast@igc.apc.org writes:
:Listen guys,
:When I first heard about the rapes I was skeptical too. But
:when I saw reports ie.below, I started to rethink.
:
:---
:The stream of survivor testimonies which we came across, together with
:the work of other organisations throughout Croatia and information
:gathered in refugee camps throughout Europe, prompted our investigation
:into the systematic sexual atrocities being committed against women in

The reporting on British TV hasn't been able to find a single first-hand
witness.  Plenty of second-hand witnesses.  There are two explanations
of this.  1) The Moslem women who have been raped cannot bring themselves
to admit it, for obvious reasons; 2) the stories of rape-camps are a
combination of either deliberate psychological warfare, or the sort of
urban-myth style rumours that always fly around war zones (a well known
dynamic to historians - cf the Crimea, WWI)

At the moment it's impossible to tell either way, until first-hand evidence
on a significant scale turns up (ie more than two or three cases).

G
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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,sci.med,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:36:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
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In article <1glcnkINNc4j@hp-col.col.hp.com> dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser) writes:
-Parental inattention is dangerous.  Infant walkers' fault is they
-let the rug-rats move faster.

-Another case of big brother protecting parents from themselves;
-the government too.

No, it is a case of the government protecting the children from their parents!

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From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Don't be silly, please
Date: 20 Dec 1992 14:12:20 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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Original Message From: karl@dixie.com (Karl Klingman)
 
>>  Thirdly, yes, the situation in Somalia is partly the US's fault.
>
>Will you please explain to me how the U. S. induced these people
>to overpopulate their country?  How did the U. S. cause the drought?
>The problem is cultural and geographical, not political.  Because they
>are Moslim they will not practice birth control.  They have too many
>children.  When droughts come -- and they always do in desert lands --
>they starve to death.  There is nothing political here. Also this is
>nothing new.  This has gone on for thousands of years.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the current situation in Somalia is not
due to over-population or drought, but moreover due to the total
breakdown of the social structure of the nation. Am I right? Sure the
drought has compounded the problem but it did not create it.
 
>Bzzzt.  Wrong answer from the neophyte political historian.
>As I pointed out above, the situation in Somalia is not caused by
>politics, but just to get your history straight:
 
I think you are wrong. See above.
 
>And my friend, I wish the starving would stop in Somalia, but they've
>been starving for OVER 2,000 years there and they will continue to
>starve unless they quit having so many children.   If you feed them,
>they'll just get strong enough to start breeding again. The cycle will
>not end.  So sorry pal, but there's nothing you can do.
 
This is utter garbage. Most of Africa and especially sub-saharan were
totally self-sufficient before the "invasion" of their nations by the
Europeans. There may have been outbreaks of famine but not like you
are intimating.
 
I agree that over-population is leading to problems when droughts
occur but this is not the sole reason; land management is something
that a lot of these tribes know little about. Perhaps we should allow
Africa to go back to marauding war parties traversing the continent,
it certainly would have kept the population down.
 
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:00:09 GMT

In article <Bz9vK3.MJ2@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>    an organization that has its own peace-keeping forces as well
>    as financial resources required to underwrite a police action
>    in Somalia.
	
	If the Somalis are part of the Arab League, why the hell aren't
	*they* feedin' em?  Christ, why should we pay to feed a bunch
	of people who haven't figured out that ol' equation:
 
	Don't have more kids than you can feed. 

	Survival of the fittest, I say.  Good riddance.


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,sci.med,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine
From: martyj@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (martin johnson)
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:24:48 GMT

Last summer in a ghost town in S.Dakota, I saw a wooden and wrought iron
infant walker. Except for materials and worn condition, it looked just like 
modern ones.
Point: They have been around for at least 125 years to no ones apparent 
detriment. ( unless it was the owners practical joke )
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:33:54 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:

>imran@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:


>>Hello,

>>	What follows is an article from the New York Times.  Why am I posting
>>it here?  I feel that some of the issues pertain to at least some of the
>>threads I have seen in this group (and the other groups that I am posting to).
>>The article is about the calculated destruction of the Bosnian Muslims.  The
>>article contains extremely graphic descriptions of brutality, torture, and
>>rape.  

>I refer you to World War I and the infamous "Rape of the Belgium Nuns."
>At that time similar allegations were trumpeted in this country. Predictably,

[...]

>Your article is from the New York Times, hardly a trustworthy
>source in my opinion. Here is a quote from an excellent book

[..]

>a tendency to lead one to believe that our "free press," including
>the *New York Times*, is not always to be trusted.

That's funny, because The Independant, the London Times, and the Guardian are
all carrying similar stories here in the UK of systematic rape of Bosnian
Muslims, as has the BBC both on TV and Radio.

Are you saying its untrue, or just closing your eyes and ears?

Dave

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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: chile?
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:02:24 GMT

i'm looking for files, or an ftp site where i can find information of civil 
rights in chile.

thanks

kc
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From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:35:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:

>-- 
>	"If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"

Because of all the sand which is (sandwiches) there. (Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk)
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"What? Me worry?"
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Organization: VTT
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.010009.4765@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>In article <Bz9vK3.MJ2@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>>    an organization that has its own peace-keeping forces as well
>>    as financial resources required to underwrite a police action
>>    in Somalia.

>	If the Somalis are part of the Arab League, why the hell aren't
>	*they* feedin' em?  

They are supplying some foodstuffs, however things have been bottled up
in ports.  

>Christ, why should we pay to feed a bunch

You ask him?  He commanded his followers to feed the hungry.

>	of people who haven't figured out that ol' equation:

>	Don't have more kids than you can feed. 

They certainly could feed them until the civil war and famine came at
the same time.  

As to why we (the US) should feed them, one reason is that our govt. is
greatly to blame for the starvation.  It was Reagan and Bush who armed
and supported dictator Siad Barre, who was so repressive that the people
rose up and overthrew him.  With other action by the US, there would
likely be no civil war there and relief supplies could flow and the
people would not be starving.  They would still have their herds and
would have been able to plant crops.  The drought would have made things
harder than normal, but the people would have survived (maybe with some
outside help, but not as much as is now needed).  There was a similar
drought in the 70's but the USSR provided sufficient aid so that there
was no mass starvation as there was in neighboring Ethiopia.

>	Survival of the fittest, I say.  Good riddance.

This comment is disgusting.

>	"If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"

If you can't eat dirt, why are you living in a land with topsoil?

>Robert Stephen Rodgers    rsrodger@wam.umd.edu  (Yamanari)   

Above signature left out for some reason.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.232619.6118@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
:>And, as a matter of fact, the Nazis were, basically, just human
:>beings. Sick, twisted, and sad human beings, but human beings.
:>Most of them simply lacked the will to fight for what was right.
:>But at least they didn't twist doing what's right and spit on those
:>who fight for what they believe in. That takes a truly sad 
:>individual.
:
:I doubt they were much more sick and twisted than most other people.

Don't forget the psych experiments with the electroshocks administered to
'volunteers' that showed that Americans (like people anywhere one presumes)
are easily led into being torturers and killers.

G
(Neat list by the way.  Keep it and add to it.)
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:44:10 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <BzGoKJ.6wt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
> 
>>imran@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
> 
> 
>>>Hello,
> 
>>>	What follows is an article from the New York Times.  Why am I posting
>>>it here?  I feel that some of the issues pertain to at least some of the
>>>threads I have seen in this group (and the other groups that I am posting to).
>>>The article is about the calculated destruction of the Bosnian Muslims.  The
>>>article contains extremely graphic descriptions of brutality, torture, and
>>>rape.  
> 
>>I refer you to World War I and the infamous "Rape of the Belgium Nuns."
>>At that time similar allegations were trumpeted in this country. Predictably,
> 
> [...]
> 
>>Your article is from the New York Times, hardly a trustworthy
>>source in my opinion. Here is a quote from an excellent book
> 
> [..]
> 
>>a tendency to lead one to believe that our "free press," including
>>the *New York Times*, is not always to be trusted.
> 
> That's funny, because The Independant, the London Times, and the Guardian are
> all carrying similar stories here in the UK of systematic rape of Bosnian
> Muslims, as has the BBC both on TV and Radio.
> 
> Are you saying its untrue, or just closing your eyes and ears?
> 
> Dave
> 
I must admit I remain cynical about the article also.  That's not to
say that atrocities have not occured in the Bosnian conflict.  But this
article seems "overcooked".  It reminds me of the propaganda stories
about Iraqi soldiers taking Kuwaiti babies from their hospital incubators.
These stories were used to pump up the volume and create public interest
in ridding the world of the great Hitler, Saddam.  I imagine these same
stories, since discredited, also appeared in UK media.

A more likely explanation is that these stories are simply intelligence
"plants" to get the public into its ritualistic war dance before our
sovereign US troops are forced to don their blue helmets and join others
of the "new world order" in committing their own atrocities in the region. 

-Joe Gaut

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From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: ***(NEW EDITION) JAPANYES;VERY POPULAR PAPER ON JAPANESE BUSINESS
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:36:38 GMT

John Park (jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu) wrote:
:
: nsightful article. But I hope American anger toward Japan
: doesn't extend to their fellow Americans of asian origin.
: On the East coast, I have already felt an increase in hostility,
: and in New York City, crime has increased against asians by 600%.

I only caught this second part of your article.  Could you repost the first, or
email it to me?

If only we could convince the bigots that you describe that asian-Americans
live, work and SPEND THEIR MONEY in this country.  Since the alleged reason for
their bigotry is some sort of economic conflict with Japan, this should, in
theory, cause them to reconsider.  I have few hopes since bigots are not
reasonable people.

From a WASP-looking kind of guy (except for the W part, you can't tell the rest
just by looking at me).

P.S.  I had to modify the Subject portion of the header because our news reader
does auto line-wrapping and also expects certain parts of the header to be on 
specific lines.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:20:29 GMT
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous

In article <1992Dec19.232619.6118@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
:I hear reports of kids trained to inform to the officials about their
:parents.
:
:I hear reports of proposed legislation to required every telephone or
:other communication network operator be required to build taps for the
:Government on all equipment.
:
:I hear reports of proposals for mandatory registering encryption keys

...

I heard a report today (in the Times) of the US locking people up (free
citizens - ex prisoners who've served their time; not people detained
under whatever your equivalent of The Mental Health Act is) just in
case they *might* commit a crime in the future.  The Times mentioned
someone called Vance Cunningham.

Whereas I can understand locking up dangerous psychos who've sworn to
kill again on their release, in a Mental Health institution, locking up
freed men who say they want to go straight, in a criminal prison,
indefinitely, smacks of a totalitarian state.

You'd better watch it America - you're taking on all the attributes
of your old enemy Russia, and are in danger of losing any remaining
repect from the rest of the world.

G
From: 00b0mukantab@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: <None>
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:03:14 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


 hello..
Z
From: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dunn)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Foreign view of the U.S.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:29:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dunn@hinano.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hinano

<>No, what makes it dangerous for U.S. citizens to travel around the
<world is
<>terrorism.  Done by terrorists.  The terrorists are usually armed and
<>financed by governments hostile to us.  For instance the Communist Bloc used
<>to be a heavy supporter of terrorists.
< 
<The key phrase here is "...hostile to us.". Why do you think many
<countries are hostile to the U.S.A? Could it be that the U.S.A tends to
<interfere in other people's affairs (for good and bad reasons)? While I by
<no means support terrorism, a lot of the anger directed at the U.S.A is
<surely due to its foreign policy and its "world police" thinking.
< 

What amazes me is that some people still don't believe this, and some actually think
the U.S. has been a stabilizing influence around the world.

A relatively simple example regarding terrorism in the Middle East is our support of Israel.
Arabs do not like Israelis (and vice versa), and we consistenly supply very large amounts
of weapons and money to the government of Israel which is used against the Arabs.
The Arab peoples and countries that have clashed with Israel have every right to feel
that the U.S. is an enemy.  The Arabs are at war, and they choose terrorism as their
battleground.

Again, this is only one example.  However, our relationships with many other countries are colored
by similar situations.  This is especially true in South America.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: mccallum@ug.cs.dal.ca (brad)
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:22:29 GMT

>
>   Let's say you crack you head wide open on the side of the road.  Wouldn't
>   you want somebody to stop and help you.  If you were lying unconcious?
>   
>
Why don't you propose a law that makes it manditory to wear a helmet at
all times!!!!




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