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From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Subject: RE:Milk and Diabetes
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 22:28:21 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu

Hello, group

I first read about the milk::diabetes link in Scientific American (October 1992
issue, I am pretty sure).  In the article there was reference to the
correlation between per capita milk consumption and incidence of juvenile onset
diabetes in a group of developed countries (Finland topped the chart, I think). 
In addition, there was reference to a possible antibody that cross-reacts
between bovine serum albumin and a cell-surface protein on Islet of Langerhans
cells.  This antibody is present in higher concentrations in diabetics than in
non-diabetics and may indicate an autoimmune mechanism for Islet cell
destruction.

There was also mention of an experiment using diabetes-prone mice (or rats, I
can't remember . . . some rodent-thing) in which mice whose diet did not
include whey (a constituent of lab chow) had a much lower incidence of diabetes
than the control group.  They also cite a vaccine to BSA which seemed to
protect about 80% of the diabetes-prone mice from diabetes in spite of
inclusion of whey in their diet (but the other 20% got diabetes faster).

That's all I know.  Being of Korean descent, I don't do well with cow's milk
anyway, and we restrict it from our daughter's diet because it seems to
contribute to colic.

Daniel Kim
KIM@FLOVAX.LANL.GOV
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 23:25:19 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


There's a chiropractor here named Dr. Bonebrake

And a surgeon named Dr. Borgia - so I tell people I hear he is a good
doctor, but I would wonder about swallowing anything he prescribes.
(not everyone realizes why that is funny, so I have to mention the
infamous Lucretia Borgia and family, who were so famous as poisoners)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: one year olds (Thanks)
Date: 27 Sep 1992 20:30:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	Thanks to everyone who responded either by posting or by
e-mail to my request for conformation that Libby's behaviour was
indeed common among her age group.   We have not had a repeat of that
night (absolute refusal to be diapered) and she's gone back to her
normal "squirm and turn" during diaper changes.  
	Wow, our first power struggle.  Many more to come I suppose.
I feel sort of silly to have picked such a routine thing.  

Here's a couple of cute things Libby's daddy did recently.

	1)  Libby's birthday is coming up this week and he's been
trying to convince me that she wants the Lego Motorized Airport
Shuttle Set.  (I know what I'll be getting Jerry for his birthday!)

	2)  Libby has a sleeper that buttons up the back.  While he
was putting it on her (imagine him pulling on the sleeves) he said
"Ready for surgery Dr. Libby?"

Well, I think they're cute.  I'm biased of course.  Thanks again for
cheering me up.  
		Lisa

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 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elliottt@cis9.b10.ingr.com (Terri Elliott)
Subject: Re:  maternity clothes ....
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:28:02 GMT

>...question about maternity pantyhose and complaints about comfort ...

During my first pregnancy, I found a brand of maternity pantyhose called 
'While You Wait'.  They were a lifesaver.  Wonderfully comfortable and 
lasted forever.  I bought 3 pair and they lasted my whole first pregnancy 
and so far into this one also (14 weeks).  There is no funny panel or 
baggy crotch.  They look just like regular pantyhose but they just give 
with you as you grow.  I have even heard of some women wearing them when 
they weren't pregnant.  I got them in an independent maternity shop, so
I don't know if any major stores carry them.  I paid about $6.50/pair,
but it was WELL worth it.


-- 
******************************************************************************
Terri Elliott                   uucp : ...!uunet!ingr!b10!cis9!elliottt
Intergraph Corporation          Voice: (205)730-2650  
Hunstville, AL
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24942 ba.general:4097 misc.legal:17969
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,ba.general,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:25:17 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct2.144643.8967@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.170232.8558@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>There have been people who suggest keeping the kids at home, building
>>fences to keep them locked up, etc. That is reasonable for infants
>>and toddlers, but once in the age range of perhaps 8-16, they need
>>to be allowed to go out, see their friends, etc.
>
>At which point it is the PARENTS' responsibility to teach the kids
>to swim (and not to trespass, and to stay away from dangerous situations).

You can not expect that at a certain point, a child is suddenly fully
responsible and omniscient and simply keep them caged up until that
time. Children are so attracted to water that it is probably nearly
impossible to keep them away from it no matter how much effort the
parents have put into training. That's why it's called an
attractive nuisance.

(I grant that it might be possible to provide training effective in the
fact of an attractive nuisance via repeated cruel and unusual
punishment in simulated situations but would you really want the kind
of individuals that resulted from such a childhood as part of society?)

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
From: breegge@fracas.network.com (Sharon L. Breeggemann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: New Orleans vs. Fox TV
Keywords: DEVA
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:32:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

Deva's phone number is 1-800-222-8024
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.040632.11497@news.acns.nwu.edu> learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.115024.1715@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:
>
>>	How does everyone claim to be experts on what the
>>	Almighty doctors claim to not understand?
>
>
>Well, Alan, my Almighty doesn't need a doctor.....    :-)
>
>On the flip side, I suppose some Almighty doctors don't understand
>the common cold either.
>
	Right.  And they can't cure it, either.  Interesting correlation.


>And there are those who don't believe in doctors.
>
	Me!  like the time I had an ear infection.  I went to the
	doctor.  Diagnosis?  High heart rate and blood pressure.

	NO SHIT!  I'm in such pain my heart is racing!!!


>Pick your religion, Alan, (seems you have already anyway) and I'll chose
>the one which has scientific inquiry as a basis, thank you very much. To
>some others, reading pigs entrails seems more appropriate. 

	Science has.  Dr (note: "medical doctor") Rapp from Bufallo
	N.Y. studies it and administers this.  She was on Phil
	last night, and will be on "people are talking" on Friday

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mcintosh@larch.bellcore.com (Allen Mcintosh)
Subject: Re: table corner guards??
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:19:44 GMT

In article <2635@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>We have the ones made by The First Years, although a number of companies 
>put them out.  They are stuck on with double-sided sticky tape, but it 
>doesn't hold too well.  The first time Matthew saw them, he pulled them 
>right off.

We had a similar experience (and we tried three different brands).  It seems
that the adhesive that comes with these things is intended to be nice to your
furniture finish, and so is relatively useless.  Using double-sided carpet tape
underneath (it's an old coffee table) and wrapping the outside with adhesive
tape lasted slightly longer, BTW.  Krazy glue might work, but it would make it
a wee bit harder to remove the corner guards later. :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:33:57 EDT

Another thought just came to mind.  Granted, it's a rather extreme case,
but you might want to check out "The Dead Poets Society" for an example
of what might happen when a parent insists on forcing her goals on a kid
who doesn't share them.

Besides, if your kid really is that bright, we *do* need quite a few
smart mommies out there (daddies too)!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: Games they play .....
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:52:05 GMT

I went through such a phase myself at that age for a year or so.  
It might have been over sooner, but then this was in the early
1970's, when the whole country was going through a craze about 
everything to do with the occult.  Those were the days of The 
Amazing Kreskin, Daeniken's _Gods from Outer Space_, and eventually 
the _Exorcist_, among other things.  It was fun, especially since
it was one of the few secrets I had from my parents.

After a while I got over it.  What did I get out of it?  I like 
to think that I gained a healthy respect for the will to believe,
which helped a couple of years later when my dad declared himself
to be a born-again Christian.  He eventually settled back into
fervent Lutheranism, but he sure gave ME a good scare.  It wasn't 
the religion so much as the sudden, dramatic change in my dad that 
scared me.  

My advice:  hang in there.  Encourage her to think for herself 
and learn as much as she can about the world around her 
(especially -- but of course not exclusively -- math and science, 
which most people drop much too early, IMHO).  You can't hope to 
make her COMPLETELY bamboozle-proof;  none of us is.  (Hell, 
you wouldn't believe some of the things I saw people get into 
at MIT, where we all foolishly believed we 'knew better' -- 
whatever that means.)

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:01:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.111610.5448@nuscc.nus.sg>
     isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:

>Hi Tracy

>Let me make this clear ....

>2.   Malaysia is LOCATED in Asia ( South East Asia ) ...
>Majority of the native is Muslim .... I believe NO such operation
>is performed !

   "As part of traditional cultural practices, between 20 and 74
MILLION African, Indonesian and Malaysian females, mostly young girls,
go through some sort of gential mutilation every year."  -
International Women and Health Resource Guide.

   "In some sections of Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia and among certain
Muslim groups, removal of the clitoral hood or, more extremely, the
entire clitoris, is still performed today, usually a a part of the
ritual passage into womanhood." - Khattab, A. A.  "Anti-Female
Circumcision," (editorial) _Sexuality Today_, volume 6, pgs 1-3.

   Just thought I should make this clear.

         Elf !!!


Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:40:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:

>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>	things in their environment.

I'm so glad you have the answers for "the majority" when an entire
medical community is still working on it. Should we stand and salute
your grand wisdom now or later?

>	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
>	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.

Ritalin works reasonably well in a very large population of children
afflicted with hyperactivity and some fellow travelers. I don't like the
idea of ritalin, but it is a realtively older medication and often gives
immediate relief to the symptoms. There are newer medications with few
side effects, including some strongly opposed by the Church of Scientology.

Are you, Alan, a member of that organization by any chance????


Bill Vajk
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Subject: Re: YEA, YEA, YEA Baby #3 Is On The Way!
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:38:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151905.26228@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> baby@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (maureen.paone) writes:
>I guess you figured out the GREAT news! Hubby and I just found
>out Im pregant and the baby is due approx the last week in
>May.  Anyway, I
>do have a question to ask. With my first two children, both
>births occurred in a hospital. Bryan was born via caserean
>due to his large size (9.2oz) and Shawn was born via vacuum
>extractor and forceps. Well I was thinking of having this
>baby at home with a midwife, or at a hospital with a midwife.
>
>Thanks,
>Maureen

Well, I hate to have to say this, but you probably shouldn't
attempt a home birth.  I say this because based on your descriptions
of your previous births, you don't sound like a good candidate
for a home birth.  Home births should really only be attempted by
those who have very low risk pregnancies, and ony by those who
have a high chance of having a normal vaginal birth. And while
your pregnancy itself may be low risk, it doesn't sound as if
you have a high chance of vaginal delivery.

Now, having said that, I also should say that you should talk to
someone who trains for home births and hear what they have to
say.  Even better, if your state allows midwives, talk to one
or more.  (If you need pointers to an appropriate organization,
drop me a note, I could probably help out there.

Regardless, congratulations on your pregnancy, and I wish you a 
happy birthing, however it my be...

Sean.

---
Sean L. Gilley
sean.l.gilley@att.com sgilley@cbnewsl[.cb].att.com
614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: How to get your child take medicine?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:57:00 GMT

My daughter (2 yrs old) just got her first "coughing kind" of cold from
her daycare.  She is as active as ever despite the running nose and 
coughing with the sound of something in her throat.  Her chest sounds fine
and she does not have a fever.  The problem we have is to get her to take
coughing sirup.  We already know that she does not like Dimetap, so don't
even mention Triaminic or others.  Without a fever, there is not much the
doctor can do either.  

I just hope there is some way to get a child who is not crazy about sweets
to take medicine.  We tried to mix sirup with fruit juice with some success
(with Dimetap) in the past.  But, the coughing sirup, frankly speaking, 
tastes awful even to me and can be detected easily.  I also hope that there
is something we can do to prevent her cold to get worse and infection 
(ie bronchitis). 

Thanks in advance for any info.

Wen-lin



--
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sonogram says....
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:17:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



..... IT'S A BOY!!!!!!  (Even *I* could tell!)


"happy happy, joy joy, happy happy, joy joy..." as she dances around the room...


BTW: I used the Shettles method and tried for a boy.  The sonographer
stated that many, many people had been through there that tried the
same methods, and failed.  God must LOVE me!
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ticipa.1992Oct2.181142.2536
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <6818@transfer.stratus.com> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.174219.4216@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>>[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]
>>
>>I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
>>else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
>>a career formulated already?
>
>Yes, I agree that 4 is too young to have formulated career plans!
>
>On a more serious note, it might not be a bad idea to point out
>any women in her life who work and are also parents (while still
>saying, "yes, Mommies are very important!").
>
>
>Peggy

On a slightly different note, Sabrina has been pretty consistent
in telling me she wants to "make beautiful clothes by drawing
them" for the last 1.5 years or so.  (She's about 4.3 now.)
She also has told me she wants to be a teacher, a momie and
a bus driver.  But clothes seem to hold her attention.  Of course,
it may just be exposure -- we've got relatives in the fashion
industry.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tim@NCoast.ORG (Tim Stradtman)
Subject: Re: you know you're a parent when....
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:25:53 GMT

You set the VCR to record the movie you are currently watching, because one 
of the kids will need attention just at "and the murderer is...."


-- 
Tim Stradtman
tim@ncoast.org  or  ...!ncoast!tim  or  ak215@cleveland.freenet.edu
And now...  tim@tcp.ncoast.org  or  ...!ncoast!tcp!tim
#include  <std.disclaimers>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:24:50 GMT

I can certainly understand both sides of this issue.  But I have to
side with those who feel that parents should take total responsibility.
I lived in an area where the houses had about 1/4 acre of land.  My
yard was not fenced in.  Every time I looked out my back door, the
neighbor's kids were playing in my back yard.  This is not necessarily
a bad thing, but when I found out that my neighbors sued everyone in
sight, I got visions of their lovely children twisting an ankle and my
getting sued over it.  So I told them to stay out of my yard.  They
refused.  I told their parents to keep them out of my yard.  I was ignored.
I built a fence.  They climbed it.

So, what would have happened if one of the little darlings broke its neck
in my yard and I was sued? (even if I didn't help them break it :-)).
I went so far as to send them a certified letter telling them to keep their
kids out of my yard.  They refused it.  I mean, come on now.  I'm not thier
bloody free babysitting service!

Why should I be responsible for other people's inability to care enough to
control their own kids?  My kid wouldn't think about pulling that kind of
stuff.

Minx


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Robert Murray <murray@media.mit.edu>
Subject: Breast Feeding + 4 Teeth = Ouch!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F5FC64FB010310@murray.media.mit.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:06:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Lab
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:07:07 GMT

Katherine now is the proud owner of 4 teeth - 2 upper and 2 lower. That's
great for eating solid foods, but almost every day I hear an anguished
cry from my wife indicating that Kate has again bit her in the breast.
Ouch!

Kate is teething, and she maybe using the breast as a teether. She is not
mad at Lucy, because every time she does it, she has a sweet angelic
smile on her face. Lucy says "No! don't do that" sharply and puts Kate
down on the floor, so as to tell her that she cannot feed at the breast
if she is going to bite. Kate continues to smile and crawls away to play.

Does anyone have any good ideas on how to curb this behavior? 

Bob Murray, dad of Kate, and husband of Lucy
MIT Media Lab
murray@media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>Then, a few weeks ago, I took her to the doctor for her regular
>checkup.  On our way back, I asked her: "Do you want to be a
>doctor when you grow up?"  Her answer shocked me.  "No," she said
>"I want to get married."  "But you can be a doctor and get married
>too" I tried to tell her that there is really no conflict here.
>"No," she said "I want to be a mom and have kids."  "But you can

My 5 year old daughter said something very similar recently. She said
she wanted to be a mother when she grows up, and stay at home and play
with her children all day. For amusement she would go grocery shopping.

That certainly gave me food for thought! I figured she was expressimg
some trepidation about entering Grade 1, and subtly (or perhaps not so
subtly) was hinting that perhaps I should stay home with her (and she
likes grocery shopping; it has somehow been turned into a treat since I
don't often take the children with me).

However, it is definitely not something to be taken seriously. In the
last month she has wanted to be a cowgirl, an elementary school teacher,
and a scientist (but not an astronaut).

--
Caroline Lambert  		caroline@stp.Stanford.EDU
Seismic Tomography Project      
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: karen@cs.UAlberta.CA (Karen Gona)
Subject: CAR SEATS vs BOOSTERS
Keywords: safety
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:17:46 GMT

I have a two year old who is 30 lbs and about the height of 
an average three year old.  Her head is at the top of a
car seat.  Should I have her in a car seat or a booster?
Also, where is it safer, in the back of the car or in front?
The reason I ask this is because I prefer the booster for
convenience, but I also find it very unconfortable for her
with it in the back of the car because when she falls asleep,
she falls to the side.  If I have her in the booster in the
front, I can adjust the seat to recline.  Any suggestions?