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From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee)
Subject: Re: Proud to be a Hindu !!!!
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:36:21 GMT


>>>>> In article <BzC904.Dx1@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:

TPB> To all the people who are not ashamed of being Hindus count me in.
TPB> Do not bother about these secularists who just masquerade their
TPB> secularism to show that they *belong* to the intelligentsia.
TPB> Just plain ignore them when they label u as a fanatic. On their
TPB> part their hypocrisy just stinks. Hinduism is *inherently*
TPB> secular religion and the moment u are a Hindu u are secular..
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A contradiction in terms!  I would rather say that Hinduism is a tolerant
religion and a secular state should allow different religions to co-exist;
but there should be uniformity in the treatment all religions, irrespective 
what any particular religion dictates.  

Luck!
-Shubu

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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Babri damaged; India for all? Yeah Right!
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:55:09 GMT

In <1992Dec8.034230.25325@hubcap.clemson.edu> fanatic@hindu.india () writes:




>In article 1328@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>In <1992Dec6.085856@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>>
>>
>>  
>Yo dude,

>	Get real.  We did *fuck* you Pakistanis in 1965 and 1971.  Do you wanna split Pakistan into Sindh, and many other parts?  Just give us a call at
>	
>	1-800-FUCK-PAK    Ask for Royal Screw.....
> 
>This time we will do the job in  24 hours. 

>That's a promise, money back if not satisfied.....


>Enjoy Peace while U can...


>Doc.......................


>>  I say lets cut up India into parts for each religion as it seems evident
>>that the Hindus will not tolerate any other religion in their 'secular'
>>nation.
>>
>>
>>Omer...
>>
>>P.S: Please reply directly to me as I do not use this newsgroup and rarely
>>read it....



 fanatic is no misnomer! you fan00`

Kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@lcmv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Read before criticizing sati
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.032018.2077@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>
>	No. Please read carefully. I said sati is criminal and was not
>	part of Hinduism. The point was that western media makes
>	propaganda out of sati even if it was not part of Hinduism, but,
>	overlooks their own history and religion about such cruelities
>	as witch-killing. Sati was criminal so was witch-burning.
>
Which part of the western media leads you to this conclusion?  The west does
not overlook the cruelties of witch burning or the atrocities of the Spanish
Inquisition, or the genocide of the Third Reich.  It is not a topic for the
evening news or the daily paper (except maybe the ones you watch and read), thatis why it isn't discussed.  If you ever sat in on a history course (assuming
you went to college and don't work at DEC sweeping the floors) you will know
that witch-hanging (most in New England were hanged, not burned) is covered
in the parts of the courses that cover the Puritans.

Ed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Lal@ihfrisc.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.de (Deepak Lal)
Subject: A simple question .
Organization: Institut fuer Hochfrequenztechnik  (University of Stuttgart, FRG)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:18:09 GMT

Hi.
 I don't have USENET access and would like to know if it is still 
possible to get the Postings on this  newsgroup via e-mail ( mailing list ). 

Would be thankfull for any reply. Please reply to the
following e-mail address:
     lal@us-es.sel.de

Thanks.
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Deepak Lal                                  
University of Stuttgart                     
FRG                                         
email:Lal@ihfrisc.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (PAAGAL)
Subject: Re: Question on Periyar's ancestory
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:31:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.205458.14022@cs.wayne.edu> psubbu@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Ponnuswamy Subburajan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.194209.20271@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Zombie Dude) writes:
>>In article <kat.724632304@kehleyr> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>>>In <1992Dec15.203130.10433@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <4f=Jx0u00UhWA6TV4k@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>>>>	Periyar was a thevidiya paiyyan. As simple as that. His mom
>>>>>>	was a whore.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>J Anand.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would make you a 'savage' of the first order. Where did you learn
>>>
>>>>	How many orders of 'savages' are there ?
>>>
>>>>>to deface one of the few Tamilians who sacrificed themselves FOR Tamils?
>>>
>>>>	U mean to say scarifice a few tamilians for popularity.
>>>
>>>>>Maanamun, mariyaathai illaatha thiruttuth thuroki! Your kind awaits you
>>>>>in hell....
>>>>>
>>>>>One day...one day....there will be a day for people like you.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-thamilan
>>>>>
>>>>	mairu
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>J Anand.
>>>
>>>  thambi! sila payavalaththaan thiruththa mudiyum.
>>>
>>
>>	Anna, adhu ungalukku purinjaa sari.
>Innum oru periyar vanthuthan ungaliyellam thiruththa mudiyum.(Adi othavara mathiri annan thambi othava mattan)

U should not generalize based on urself and ur brothers.

>>
>>>Kathiravan
>>
>>J Anand.
>>
>>-- 
>>!!!!!!!!!%-----+++++=====/**##!!!!!!!!!!!!!/**##=====+++++-----%!!!!!!!!
>>When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried.
>>!!!!!!!!!%-----+++++=====/**##!!!!!!!!!!!!/**##=====+++++-----%!!!!!!!!!
>
>


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From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee)
Subject: Re: calcutta / Secularism, huh!
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:47:42 GMT


>>>>> In article <gate.wVooVB1w165w@sytex.com>, dante@sytex.com (Vikram David) writes:

VD> Why are you so against SECULARISM?
VD> SECULARISM: 1. secular spirit or tendency, EXP. a system of political or
VD> social philosopy that rejects all forms of religious faith.  2. the view
VD> that public education and other matters of civil policy should be
VD> conducted without the introduction of a religious element.

VD> Now, what's wrong with that?  Would you support a THEOCRACY more?

Oh, yeah!  So, why do we have different laws for Moslems and Hindus in
India?  Pray, why should we have a separate Moslem court?  Just because
Moslem religion dictates it?  There goes secularism down the drain.  India
is not secular - it is a "Pseudo-secular theocracy" catering only to the 
needs of the people who strike hard.  People who don't speak out 
suffer.  This difference in the treatment of people from different 
religions create hatred and discontent, frequently resulting in conflicts.

The primary problem with Moslem religion is that it is fundamentally 
intolerant towards other religions.  By definition, it cannot co-exist 
with other religions.   If this is so, how can we expect peace in India?

Luck!
-Shubu

PS: Religion should adapt itself to society, and not the other way round.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@sol.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Was : Do we need religion ?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:57:19 GMT


Fafat writes:
>Ruchir writes:
>>Will the Worms and the FataFat Fourier Transforms keep their (yawn)
>>personal sweet nothings to one-one emails please ?
>>You will be doing mankind a great service.
>>Thanks.
>>Ruchir.
>
>	No way :) Not after you made me go thru your own insufferable rantings
>	You don't like it, fly kite.
>
>	FFT

You call the divine truth insufferable rantings ??!!!
Blasphemy !! You'll burn in hell. :-)

And now that exams are over .. here goes:

Was once a guy called Fafat,
For Wormas and such he was aafat,
    He spent lotta valu'ble time,
    And wrote many a (sic) funny line,
That, alas, 'twas none but himself would laafat.

Waiting with asbestos on ...

Ruchir.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Re: Question on Periyar's ancestory
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:31:30 GMT

In article <4f=Jx0u00UhWA6TV4k@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>	Periyar was a thevidiya paiyyan. As simple as that. His mom
>>	was a whore.
> 
>>J Anand.
>
>That would make you a 'savage' of the first order. Where did you learn

	How many orders of 'savages' are there ?

>to deface one of the few Tamilians who sacrificed themselves FOR Tamils?

	U mean to say scarifice a few tamilians for popularity.

>Maanamun, mariyaathai illaatha thiruttuth thuroki! Your kind awaits you
>in hell....
>
>One day...one day....there will be a day for people like you.

	That is the day when brahmin-haters will be licking my  a###.

>
>-thamilan
>
	mairu
>


J Anand.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: This is for the "Secularists"
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.180959.3025@news.clarkson.edu> rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor,P303,2124) writes:
>From article <BzB8LG.I6n@ns1.nodak.edu>, by sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ):
>> 
>>  
>> think how it hurts if u are a true Indian when u see
>> people loyal to Pakistan, chhering them openly,
>> joining Pakistan Student Assciation when they come
>> abroad......enuff said.....
>
> On joining associations : Its one`s own choice.  Would you turn away 
> a "Hindu" Pakistani from joining Indian Assoc ?  
>
> Perhaps not. This is a case of non-secularity breeding sense of betrayal. 
>
>Rajat Kapoor
>
>

Since when did cheering a pakistani team for its victory in 
a sporting event become a measure of a muslim's patriotism
to his country. If that measure is a basis for patriotism, most
of the Indians in Britain are unpatriatic British subjects;
they invariably cheer the Indian and Pakistani teams.
Fellows! grow up! Patriatism is a deeply personal thing, just as
religion is. If you want to argue, then argue on the rights and wrongs
of destroying the Babri Masjid, based on facts pertaining to that
incident or events that led to it. 

Do not try to imply in a blanket way that muslims themselves
are unpatriotic. There may be some, but to go about calling them
unpatriotic on flimsy grounds shows more about your intelligence.
....kt
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:19:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Akash Deshpande writes:
>All you science-types, prove to me that there is light when the sun is
>up. Assume
>that there are no other sources of light, and assume
>I am blind and in every way impervious to light.
>-Akash


	Ask someone who knows about photocells to make a monstrous solar
	panel for you. See if you're impervious to the shock which can be 
	generated.

	FFT
From: bhides@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Sandhiprakas J Bhide)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: If Babri gets rebuild, would Pak rebuild ....
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:52:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


 So many Paki's really came out strongly.  The question I have
 is if India rebuilds the Babri masjid, would Pakistan rebuild
 all the temples in Pakistan and in Jammu/Kashmir and issue an
 apology for all the temples that were destroyed for last umtin
 years !!   Just a curious question, that is all.

Straight Question .. Straight Answers !!!
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re : do we need a religion
Date: 19 Dec 1992 11:13:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Killer Patel writes:
>>	Ask someone who knows about photocells to make a monstrous solar
>>	panel for you. See if you're impervious to the shock which can be 
>>	generated.
>>
>>	FFT
>>
>That's still not proof as Akash demands. For all I know, Vijay, your
>monstrous solar panel could be powered by all the millions of UV lamps
>I see at McDonald's. :)


	:) Does Worma work for McDonalds too? And about your objection,
	the rays which are going to burn Akash for his blasphemy :) will be
	focussed from up to down by a lens.  

	FFT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: BJP Governments Thrown Out. Its Good! Its Good!
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:12:03 GMT

	
	There may be nothing unconstitutional about dismissing these
	BJP "governments". 

	Popular support is not the only criterion that drives a
	democracy. If majority rule was the only criterion then
	who would prevent a temporary, if insane, popular sentiment
	from say ethnic cleansing. We have a constitution and 
	it has to be respected. No popular government should
	be allowed to flout it or we would have anarchy.

	Now the Central Government has banned RSS, VHP etc. Mr. Shekhawat,
	the CM of Rajasthan, refuses to resign his membership in RSS. What
	kind of, pardon the colloquialism, shit is this? Mr. Singh
	could not protect the structure at Ayodhya knowing very well
	the consequences in human lives. I don't know the facts in MP
	and HP but judging from the actions of the other BJP "government"
	they must be dishing out a lot of, again pardon the colloquialism,
	crap too.

	Popular sentiment changes and changes dramatically (all the more
	we strictly enforce the laws) and I believe it is BJP who
	will be surprised come elections. They will be back to their natural strength
	of a dozen MPs by next Lok Sabha election. UP will kick them out and
	probably so will MP, HP and Rajasthan.

	Well, the BJP will be singing Ram Ram and the rest of us
	will be saying Ram Naam Satya Hai (for BJP of course ;)).
                       ******************

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay

	************ : What Hindus chorus when they take out a funeral. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Please ignore
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.154849.26897@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>Disclaimer:
>I express my views under the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution
>of the United States of America. My employer is not responsible for any
>damage or damages caused as a result of my writings. I use my employer's
>facilities for a cost of putting extra two hours per week.

An interesting .sig file.  It leads one to wonder what prompted it, was it
	a.  complaints to your system administrator by people who were
	    offended by you fanatic rantings
	b.  pressure from your supervisor to spend less time spewing garbage
	    with DEC's name attached
	c.  a new RSS campaign to infect the United States with narrrow-
	    minded virulent venom (VV) under the protection of freedom of
	    speech, a freedom that is not guaranteed to them in India

If you've never seen one before VV, this is a multiple choice question.  So
please spare us the prolixic feculence that is also your signature.

Ed
From: rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: opinion again
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:14:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Well, I got some interesting mail from my last post.  I hope no one
thought that I was saying I had the answers, or that I thought I
thought the world was like that, or that I live a "secluded~ life
away from all the problems.  On the contrary, I am in the middle of
the craziness myself, with a job, a mortgage, more bills that I can
pay, and am just as confused as to what is happening as everyone else.
ALL I was saying is TM helps me personally, and if anyone thinks that
everyone who does TM is a secluded bliss maniac, you have no idea what
it is about or who does it.  It is a practice molded for the everyday
type of people.  Anyways, on the other topic of Hinduism, what kind
of "standing up for oneself" is it when innocent women, children, and
men are killed for something we have no idea is real to begin with?
Did those women and children, and men, have anything to do with what
happened 500 years ago?  There only fault was to be born of a religon
that the other religon decides to hate, because they were taught that
from birth.
To be honest, I don't know the depth of that hatred, because I grew
up in the US.  But, I do know what hatred and distrust can be put
into a person through the brainwashing we here got about the 
communists as we grew up.  How insane that this happens all over the
world, and everyone is too damn afraid to change things because they
all think that the other side is going to strike once the gaurd is
down.  What exactly is there to stand up for???  Isn't it more so
important, on a global note, that the whole damn world get it's act
together and learn to live amongst one another as fellow humans and
recognize that each of us has as much right to belong on this planet
without fearing for his/her life just because his/her religon/color of
skin/sexual preference/ethnic origin/etc... is different than those
around them????  The world is a much different place now, and many of
the things that were important 100 years ago don't mean anything now.
If we all don't live together, then we will all die together.  It 
really is a choice between "Chaos or Commuinity".  There really is
NO TIME TO HATE.  And if that isn't the most obvious thing, then I'm
guilty of living a secluded life, but if this is secluded, I'ld hate
to find out what a busy one was like!

To stress the point, this is just my opinion.  Maybe the thing to do
would be for everyone to come together in meetings and discuss these
issues.  In a way, that is what this SCI is, but it is not open to
everyone.  Most on this are intellegent, educated people.  We need to
get everyone involved and ideas to float around, and see what solutions
can come out of them.  Just like President-elect Clinton is doing, the
next great president of this great nation (which has more than its 
share of the same type of problems that are going on in our mother
country).

Sorry to go on and on, Im sleepy, and it is time to sleep!!!!!

Rango
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dea@jec308.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: BBC World News (3pm EST)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:07:37 GMT


Source: BBC World Service News 
Time: (10am & 3pm EST)
Country:  India


The situation in India appears to be calm after 5 days of 
violence. As of now over 1,000 (one thousand) people are
reported to have died in various incidents all over the 
country. Compared with the last few days, the situation
right now appears peaceful in general.

Most of the deaths reported now are either those of people
who succumbed to injuries in hospitals or because of dead
bodies being recovered. In Bihar eight dead bodies were   
recovered from a well recently.

Reports from Calcutta quote authorities there saying that
over 70 members of the recently outlawed RSS (Rashtriya
Sawamsevak Sangh) have been arrested. 

BBC reporter Sam Miller reported that outside of West 
Bengal state, hardly any action seem to have been taken
against the outlawed communal organisations.


Anirban De
(dea@rpi.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: secular@love.and.respect.for.all
Subject: Mandir/Maszid/Girza/Gurudwara
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:38:00 GMT

The government is facing  a difficult task of trying to please
Hindus and Moslems.  It wants to rebuild the Mosque, yet does
not want feel comfortable removing the makeshift "ram mandir"
that has been put there by kar sevaks.  It is truly an unenviable
task.  

This may have been discusse before at length.  If so, I apologize.
I believe the solution lies in rising above our petty sentiments 
that one religion is better than the other.  Let's build the 
world's first *multireligious shrine* at the site.  Let's make the
BIGGEST and the most BEAUTIFUL Hindu temple, Moslem Mosque, 
Sikh Gurudwara, and Christian Church side by side as four 
corners of a square.  That would be a perfect salute to 
secularism and (hopefully) also satisfy the Hindu fundamentalists
and BabriMaszid faithfuls alike.
What is wrong with this ???  
Comments Welcome from all our Hindu, Muslim, Sikh and Christian
brothers/sisters....

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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Indian Muslims had it their way since the independence.
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:46:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Dec11.205704@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:

>Again there is restriction on buying land in Arunachal Pradesh and one other
>North-eastern state (I'm not sure which one)
>


Nagaland. It is called the inner line permit under which only the ethnic 
people can own land. It does make a lot of sense in the North east,
epidemiologically, speaking.

In Kashmir, the decision was more political and is based on article 370.
It has been used in the past by the Kashmiri Govt to prevent Indians from 
settling in the state. 

Samit

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