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From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1h2uvkINNt2t@mirror.digex.com>, dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey) writes:
> 
> The priciple of "innocent until proven guilty"
> has always made US law lean toward the concept that you get the 
> opportunity to go do a crime if you are so inclined, because we can
> not assume automatically that if the opportunity presents itself
> you will take it; you have the chance to do it, or not do it, and 
> thus innocent or guilty is in your hands.  You are not pre-judged.
> 
> I prefer to give everyone the freedom, and then deal
> with the few that abuse it, rather than take it from the many in order
> to prevent the abuse of the few.  
> 

Once again I will use my auto licensing analogy:  We don't let everyone have
a car and let them loose on the roads, THEN figure out who is capable of
driving responsibly and who isn't.  We set up tests, require insurance,
and monitor our roadways.

I feel that we should not allow unrestricted use of handguns, then figure
out afterwards who the criminals were.  Your own response indicates the 
high number of repeat offenders that show up, yet the gun lobby has shown
no interest in effecting the kinds of checks that may prevent even these
people from aquiring handguns easily.

Law abiding citizens that will not abuse the driving privilege are willing
to take competency tests and get the proper liscenses in order to drive;
without screaming 'that's being declared guilty before proof of innocence'.
Why is it so incongruous to you to apply the same restrictions on handguns?

Terry

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: lud@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Help repairing mopeds
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 14:15:48 GMT





I need help repairing my moped brake cable...If anyone has a shop or thinks
they can answer some basic questions please let me know...


Thanks in advance..
lud@wam.umd.edu
Xref: sparky dc.general:3259 dc.talk.guns:24 va.general:179 talk.politics.guns:25540
From: og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg)
Newsgroups: dc.general,dc.forsale,digex.general,comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.mac
Subject: WANTED TO BORROW: A Non-NEC Mac CD ROM drive to install A/UX
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:21:03 GMT
Organization: Order? Just a small bureaucracy really. (DIGEX)
Distribution: dc
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

If any one can help me with this, I'd appreciate talking to them. One
gentleman offered to help with his Chinon CD drive, but I misplaced
his number and lost touch. I'm in Bowie. - Gary

-- 
- Gary Goldberg og@access.digex.com Bowie, MD KA3ZYW

From: Deacon.Maccubbin@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Deacon Maccubbin)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: WHERE CAN I FIND JAPANESE B
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 10:15:56 -0500

You might try Ginza, a Japanese import gift shop in the 1700 block of
Connecticut Ave., NW. They do carry books, though the titles may be confined to
books on Japanese pottery and collectables. But if they don't stock the kind of
books you are looking for, they certainly would know who does.
From: mayhem@access.digex.com (Sgt. Mayhem)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:50:03 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
Keywords: software, guns, novice

Anyone every hear of a kill file? Just add the poster and the subject gun
to your kill file and you won't have to worry!
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In dc.general, David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>Personally, I'm tired of all this crap on dc.general about Gun Control and I'm
>unsubscribing to this group.  There are a number of appropriate newsgroups for
>this stuff and I'm chagrined I have to wade through crap about rulings by the
>Connecticut courts because of the poor manners of other people on this group.

Yes.  Some of us thought that the gun stuff had migrated, but it
has returned to the group.  The local gun newsgroup seems to
be genuine (there are posts there).  Perhaps some system admins
are not permitting access.  A possible solution is that those
interested in dc and guns could do this by e-mail with a 
distribution list.  Every week one of the interested parties
could post a notice concerning the existance of the newsletter, 
and any local events which might interest the general public.
Of course, for this to work, both sides of this thing have to
be civil enough to follow implement this.  Perhaps someone
out there would volunteer to start the first message 
rolling and solicit for the distribution list ( I would, but
I'm out of here again for a few days).  

The gun discussion could be a public service
if the material was *directly* related to dc, and the posters would
properly cite laws, regulations, policy statements, and reports; with
direct quotations and statistics **properly identified**
(enough so the average jo could look it up for herself without
having to call the author for what she meant by so-and-so said
in her "latest report"). Unfortunately, what we have instead is
alot of sound and fury which has no real significance and is 
neither convincing anyone, nor educating anyone.  *If* there are
any useful tidbits about the judicial system, legislation, or
our relationship to the police and criminals, they are lost to
the average reader because she has no desire to sift through
all of the trash to find the things that are useful and/or important
to know.
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 02:57:03 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Dec21.200053.918@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
>
>In article <62934@mimsy.umd.edu>, purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) writes:
>> 
>> {guns & cars discussion deleted}
>> 
>> ...  But in both of these areas, firearms and unsafe drivers, I would
>> hope we could reform the judicial system and elect judges that will really
>> enforce the law....]
>> 
>
>You really mean enforce punishment (in the hope that adequate punishment will
>deter the offenders).
>
>This approach will generally mean 1 (or more) innocent person(s) dead or injured
>for each offender punished. Better to remove the means of offence IMHO.
>
>Excessive paranoia on the part of the gun owners will not help.

It isn't paranoia when someone's really out to get you, Kev.  And your
IMHO is sufficient evidence that YOU are out to get gunowners, or at
least support those who are.

BTW, would you generalize "remove the means of offence" to rape?
-- 
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Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: anon.202@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: test...sorry
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: anon.202@pax.tpa.com.au
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Fairfax County Imperial-Palace Annex (B2/B3)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:13:57 GMT
Organization: HTE

Any residents of Fairfax County reading this, if they're not aware of the
situation already, owe it to themselves to check out my editorial letter
in the 12/22 (today as of now) issue of the Fairfax Journal.  Basically, 
the Fairfax County board is attempting to pay Charles E. Smith something
like $110 million for two buildings which in no way are needed, and which
assess (today) for no more than $49 million.  In order to do this, they
intend to issue certificates of participation, a sort of a municipal junk
bond associated with the fiction of the entire business involved being a 
"lease" rather than a purchase.  Voter approval for leases is not required,
and hence the entire deal amounts to an end run around the voter's legal
right to participate in any issue involving bonds.

The imperial palace itself is worth seeing if you haven't seen it already.
Basically, you go out 66 and turn West on 50 towards the FairOaks Mall and
then take the second exit on Ox Rd. as if going to the Price Club;  the
2'nd stoplight will be Monument Dr., and you turn left.  You come to a
pair of space-age buildings to the right, connected with parking and
other structure, and you figure this must be it, pretty big..., but that's
only the B2/B3 complex.  Then you look off to the left, and you'll see
something so big that you figure it must be some new parking lot for
FairOaks or something.  Way too big to be a county govt. building.

But that's it all right.  It dwarfs most if not all state capitals, and
resembles nothing so much as one of the super buildings which Albert Speer
had on the drawing board to build for old uncle Adolph.  

Again, check the Journal letter;  if any of this bothers you, call your
supervisor and tell him/her that you're as mad as hell, and you're not
gonna take this ____ any more.


-- 
Ted Holden
HTE

Newsgroups: dc.general
From: grin@wam.umd.edu (Vladislav)
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:59:55 GMT

In article <1867@tnc.UUCP> m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) writes:
>
>An easier, and more Consitutionally Correct solution to the 'problem'
>of guns in DC would be to return to the citizens of the District their
>Second Amendment rights, which they have not had for thirty years.
>
>This would empower the citizens of DC to defend themselves against the
>criminals, more effectively than the 'chemically-based defense sprays'
>the DC city council has so graciously permitted them to use (as of Dec
>1st).
>
>Seems to me that in DC only the rich and famous are permitted
>Constitutional rights.
>
>Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A  NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA "M-O-U-S-E"
>Commandant and Acting President, Northern Virginia Free Militia
>Send e-mail for an application and more information
>----------------------------------------------------------------
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>effect of such [gun] laws is to place the individual at the mercy of 
>the state, unable to resist."
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From: anon.203@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Wheres a good gym in Greenbelt, C.P., S.S. ?
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:08:05 GMT
Reply-To: anon.203@pax.tpa.com.au
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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Hi,

 I'm looking for a Gym in the Greenbelt, College Park,
Silver Spring area that has your basic weights and perhaps a
few aerobic workout methods (indoor track, bikes, steps, etc)
but does not cost a fortune.  

I checked with Holiday which is a good Gym but they want 
upwards of $1500 to join!  I can't afford that and do not 
need all the stuff they have anyway.

Does anyone go to a local Gym with the 'basics' that they like?
What does it feature and what is the price breakdown?
I'll post a summary if desired...

In quest for fitness,
 David


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From: gessner@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Gessner)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Wheres a good gym in Greenbelt, C.P., S.S. ?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:45:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes STX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <STXTNT.92Dec31120212@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) writes...
>
>If you're a UMD alumni you can get a card and use their facilities
>(ugh...but it's like $50 a year...).  Holiday has specials every now
> 
>Nigel Tzeng

Are you speaking of the facilities on the UMD campus? Does UMD have a Rec
Center for its students? I will be in grad school there next semester and
need to find such a place if it in fact exists. If anyone knows about it..
please let me know.

Thanks,
Susan
From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Theater-related work in DC??
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:00:53 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: dc
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


A friend of mine currently in Ann Arbor, Michigan is interested in 
moving to the DC area.  A drawback is that he needs to find work
before he moves out.  He has a particular interest in the theater or
related areas.  He has a relavent degree from Eastern Michigan University,
eclectic experience, etc.  
 
Any thoughts on how to help him find available work would be most
appreciated; replies via e-mail are probably most important.
 
Thank You.

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:03:33 GMT


In article <1992Dec22.025703.7713@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.200053.918@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
> >
> >Excessive paranoia on the part of the gun owners will not help.
> 
> It isn't paranoia when someone's really out to get you, Kev.  And your
> IMHO is sufficient evidence that YOU are out to get gunowners, or at
> least support those who are.

It is "excessive" paranoia if you fight all attempts to restrict handgun sales.

I like shooting as a hobby, and I intend to buy a .22 Ruger sometime soon for
target practice. When I asked the sales staff at "On Target" if they had any
.38 Supers they said "we don't sell many of them - it's more of a target gun",
i.e. the guns they have are mostly designed for killing people.


> BTW, would you generalize "remove the means of offence" to rape?

Drawing silly parallels is not going to help your argument.

Kev.

-- 
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 20:08:10 GMT


In article <63053@mimsy.umd.edu>, purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.164944.26190@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
> >> 
> >> Stopping the crimes by people who demonstrate a willingness 
> >> to do violence, instead of releasing them to Kev so they are free to commit
> >> all the crimes they can get away with, is "not prevention"???
> >
> >Want to define "demonstrate a willingness to do violence" for us ?
> 
> Let's try to illustrate what Kev does not see.  Someone "Joe" does a crime and
> gets caught.  Tragic, but crime simply cannot be eradicated.  At issue is
> how we respond to this as a society.  I would like to beef up law enforcement
> to help catch Joe; straighten out and support the judicial system so Joe can
> get a rapid trial; and, should Joe be found guilty of the crime, ensure that
> Joe is rapidly sentenced and pays a substantial penalty.  If the crime was one
> of violence, then I believe "substantial" means really doing time, not walking
> away with probation and an admonition that Joe not do this again.  A swift and
> certain jail sentence precludes --- prevents --- Joe from making a living from
> crime even after having been caught.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So Joe gets to commit as much armed robbery (or whatever) as he can until
he is caught ?

You didn't answer the question.

> Kev, on the other hand, wants to use the fact that this crime was committed
> as further evidence supporting a crackdown on all of us, least we might also
> do what our hypothetical bad guy "Joe" did.  Joe is likely free to continue
> doing crime, since, in this scenario, the focus is on all citizens, not the
> one who "demonstrated a willingness to do violence".  Sorry, Kev, but I will
> continue to resist you when promote Draconian measures against honest citizens
> without first trying to go after those who already show they are willing to
> do crime.

Wrong, I don't want "Joe" to have the means of commiting the crime. My suggestions
probably require less police enforcement than yours do - prevention is usually
cheaper than curing symptoms.

You, still havn't answered the question.

Kev.

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: lidl@pix.com (Kurt J. Lidl)
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:26:07 GMT

(Chris A. Wilcox) writes:
>(David Gursky) writes:
>>Personally, I'm tired of all this crap on dc.general about Gun Control and I'm
>>unsubscribing to this group.  There are a number of appropriate newsgroups for
>>this stuff and I'm chagrined I have to wade through crap about rulings by the
>>Connecticut courts because of the poor manners of other people on this group.
>
>
>Actually, today my newsreader flagged dc.talk.guns as a bogus newsgroup.
>Is this really the case; has dc.talk.guns become an "un-group"? If so,
>that would explain a lot of the crossposting to dc.general...

It would seem that some sites didn't carry the newgroup for dc.talk.guns,
as it was created without discussion, in a knee-jerk reaction to the
people discussing (ad nauseum) the various pro/con gun aspects of
the great Earth Area.  Lobby your system administrator to create the
newsgroup.

(I can call call it a knee-jerk reaction, 'cause I sent the newgroup)

If we could just all play happily, and everyone creates the group,
the dc.general area could once again foster productive discourse.

-Kurt

PS -- I understand the reason that most sys-admins didn't honor the
newgroup message.  I probably wouldn't have either, in my past life
at the UM campus.
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Keywords: software, guns, novice
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:23:16 GMT


In article <1haftbINNrm4@mirror.digex.com>, mayhem@access.digex.com (Sgt. Mayhem) writes:
> Anyone every hear of a kill file? Just add the poster and the subject gun
> to your kill file and you won't have to worry!
> 

Far too easy  (xrn even has a button for it).


dc.general is a low volume news group, some people just like to complain :-)

Kev.

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From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Goodbye dc.general
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:52:38 -0500

Personally, I'm tired of all this crap on dc.general about Gun Control and I'm
unsubscribing to this group.  There are a number of appropriate newsgroups for
this stuff and I'm chagrined I have to wade through crap about rulings by the
Connecticut courts because of the poor manners of other people on this group.
Xref: sparky dc.general:3267 dc.talk.guns:25
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: dc.general,dc.talk.guns
Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Followup-To: dc.general
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


> Excessive paranoia on the part of gun owners will not help.

Excuse me, but if you consider remembering the lessons of Nazi Germany
and Stalinist Russia, not to mention the more recent activities of
California, New Jersey and New York City to be 'excessive paranoia,'
then your reality check just bounced.

All governments, however formed, have used firearms registration lists
to confiscate them at a later date.  Once that happens, government is
free to do whatever they want to defenseless citizens.  Believe it or
not, the Second Amendment is in the Constitution for a purpose. 
Ignore that purpose, lose your freedom, and you only have yourself to
blame.

Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A  LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA "M-O-U-S-E"
Commandant and Acting President, Northern Virginia Free Militia
Send e-mail for an application and more information
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effect of such [gun] laws is to place the individual at the mercy of 
the state, unable to resist."
       - Robert Heinlein, in a 1949 letter concerning "Red Planet"
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