HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua: Ending "Systematic Repression"
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<brian.717030661@coombs> <1992Sep22.220907.27779@oracle.us.oracle.com>
	<rich.717533326@pencil>
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:15:48

In article <rich.717533326@pencil> rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:

   In <1992Sep22.220907.27779@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
   >Nope.  The Sandinistas were not elected.  Moreover, when they were
   >finally forced to have an election they lost.

   What bullshit.  Why don't you read a book about it before you show off
   your ignorance.

   Rich

I did read a book about it, and while Michael Friedman oversimplifies
a bit, he is substantially correct.  Moreover, the Sandinistas still
don't recognize the right of the elected government to dismantle their
army.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3532 sci.econ:7941 alt.censorship:7843 soc.college:4130 talk.politics.misc:49471
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,sci.econ,alt.censorship,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: High costs of college education
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:41:38 GMT
Organization: Organization

In article <BvHvp0.Kn0@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.202819.5067@raven.alaska.edu> fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage]) writes:
>>
>>        We are asking you to participate in a nationwide peaceful
>>demonstration against the high costs of college education.
>
>  But note that this is nearly the same as demonstrating FOR more
>  tax funding for higher education.    I hope the students who are
>  doing this have done the numbers and have some specific suggestions
>  about how this should be paid for.
>


  Obviously, they don't care who pays, as long as they continue to get a free ride.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:08:45 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
 <1992Sep24.194350.29540@noao.edu> <1992Sep24.222938.4928@advtech.uswest.com>

In article <1992Sep24.222938.4928@advtech.uswest.com>, steven@jaynes ( Steve
Novak) says:

>>That baby is real life, bub.

>That "fetus" can't express an opinion, nor can it "get the ultimate
>decision", in case you missed the point of this whole thread.

Neither can a newborn baby.  So what?

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Totalitarian" Sandinistas, etc.
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:06:44 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Well, during my senior year I was in a class called internaional studies,
and I was always bringing in reports about why Communism didn't work and was
wrong, and about the attrocities the Soviets were commiting in Afahnistan.
Our teacher got mad at several of us for doing this, told us to talk about
it was somehow America's fault that the Communist world was in such bad shape.
She even had us read stories "favorable" to the USSR!

I even got in trouble for wearing a button depicting a hammer and sickle with
a red prohibiton symbol crossing it out.  This was during 1987-88.
Simon
From: mikesh@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Totalitarian" Sandinistas, etc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:17:37 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Simon,

The FSLN, or the "Sandinista party", is not "defunct", in fact they are 
the strongest party in Nicaragua.  They did lose the elections in 1990, 
however.  The communist parties of central Europe are "defunct", the 
Sandinistas still organized and vital, despite eight years of Reagan-Bush 
imperialism.  
There's a good archive of information on Nicaragua on activ-l which has 
stuff from Oxfam and Holly Sklar and other good people.

Best,

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Totalitarianism" in Nicaragua
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:03:51 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep27.090815.5161@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> 
> I get the impression from this thread the those posting it support
> the defunct Sandinista party in Nicaragua, is this correct??
> 

	That, and to justify N years of supporting a lost cause :).

Brett                                                      
_______________________________________________________________________________
Proconsul Computer Consulting                                        CHA-CHING!
Better, Cheaper, Faster					       (Pick any two :)
Disclaimer:								   NOT!
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3377 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:5985 talk.abortion:38911
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:00:10 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Kurt Ludwick) writes:
>> = Steve Novak writes:
>>> = Forgach (for some reason Ludwick dropped this attribution to our 
>>>   famous religion-crazed shriker:      

>>>That baby is real life, bub.

>>That "fetus" can't express an opinion, nor can it "get the ultimate
>>decision", in case you missed the point of this whole thread.

>Neither can a newborn baby.  So what?

I don't agree with your answer, but you seem to agree with mine.

"So", Suzanne's original posting in context is a typical mass of lies
and distortion.

Thanks for siding with me, Ludwick.

-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
steven@advtech.USWest.Com
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3456 alt.rush-limbaugh:6323 talk.abortion:39813
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: CWA Membership (was: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:42:16
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
Distribution: na
	<JYM.92Sep22101720@remarque.berkeley.edu> <g27ny2-.jrs@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jrs@netcom.com's message of 22 Sep 92 21:53:58 GMT

> Wrong, the reason NOW has at most 250,000 members is because
> American women do NOT agree with them.

=\= Given the variety of positions that NOW holds, I think it's
pretty simplistic to say that.  More on this below.

> Two-thirds of American women did not believe Anita Hill . . .

=\= I don't know where you got that one, but it contradicts the
polls I've seen, which show an *enormous* gender gap on this
particular issue.

> The polls taken during the Supreme Court's ruling on the
> Pennsylvania abortion law shows that although most Americans
> support abortion, they do not support abortion-on-demand and
> they do support reasonable restrictions on abortion.  These
> are not NOW and NARAL positions.

=\= Again, the simplisticness of "the" positions of NOW and
NARAL.  Once could just as well use the same argument against
"the" positions of CWA.

=\= The way a poll is worded and conducted has an effect on
the answers people give.  The most well-known problem is known
as "the halo effect:"  the tendency to answer questions under
the assumption that the answer will be interpreted as if it
were qualified by the answers to previous questions.

=\= This makes surveying vulnerable to leading questions.
Make up some kind of Reaganesque scenario, phrase it as
a bunch of confusing questions, and you can get people to
answer one way (thinking that the answer applies to the
scenario).  Or, conversely, you could have your questions
portray a meddling male-controlled government, leading
people to answer another way.

=\= Or you can have your questions go out at random, like
the more reputable polls do.  And it is these reputable
polls that have shown a solid and long-standing pro-choice
sentiment in most of the American people.
    <_Jym_>
__
Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a
mother and child.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3353 alt.rush-limbaugh:5952 talk.abortion:38748
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:48:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Sep27.212109.24265@news.uiowa.edu> bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:
#From article <1992Sep25.193212.22684@advtech.uswest.com>, by steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak):
#
## Has anybody confirmed or denied this rumor for poor Jym?  I haven't
## heard.  Though, Nolte and other sheep are already buying Snapple in
## droves :).
#
#Gee, thanks Steve.  I didn't know that all it took to become famous on
#the net was to get under your skin.  You make me proud.  Bring on the
#Snapple!


First, several people decide that a rumor is as good as fact,
and broadcast their gullibility as if it were a virtue.
Now, one of them is braying about his joy at being "famous
on the net" for this behavior.  

Does Limbaugh teach his cult members to be proud of being
idiots?

Susan
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.save.the.earth,soc.culture.soviet,misc.activism.progressive
From: dbeachle@csn.org (Dave Beachley)
Subject: Request for Info, URGENT.
Followup-To: yholbroo@nyx.cs.du.edu & dbeachle@csn.org
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: environment business, Russia, conference
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:31:41 GMT

Help!!!

Does anyone know anything about a conference on October 15th in 
Los Angeles concerning doing environmental remediation in the
former Soviet Union?  

I got a very ambiguous tip with just that info and nothing else.
If anyone has names of organizations, people, or any other info
pertaining to this conference, I WOULD REALLY appreciate it if you
could send it my way.

Reply by e-mail, please.

Thanks!!

--Yash Holbrook
yholbroo@nyx.cs.du.edu
or
c/o dbeachle@csn.org
From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: You gotta know who your friends are
Summary: Perot takes both sides of an issue
Keywords: Perot
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:57:18 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR

In article <1992Sep29.155723.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com
(J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:
|Q: What about Clinton and the draft and Bush and Iran-Contra.
|
|A: What we have is a decision made by an 18 year old boy some time ago,
|which shouldn't matter and the decisions made by a mature adult, a sitting
|Vice-President, the man in charge of counter-terrorism, which is a quastion
|that should be answered. But in neither instance is this important as an
|issue in the election of the President.

If I'm not mistaken, he has also said that the issue isn't whether Clinton
dodged the draft, but whether he is lying about it now.  Even if he didn't
say that, it is certainly the case.
-- 
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: waf9851@zeus.tamu.edu (FULLER, WALTER ANDREW III)
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:54:00 GMT

Some of the claims you make are really on the wild side. Have successful
prototypes of these devices ever been demonstrated in which significant
(if any) amounts of energy were generated? Sounds like a pipe dream to me.

What I really have a hard time with is your assertion of an all encompassing
"conspiracy" to keep these devices out of production. That's baloney
because any corporation which could actually produce the devices you speak
of could make zillions $$$.


------------
Walter Fuller
Bitnet:  WAF9851@tamzeus
Internet:  WAF9851@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3376 alt.rush-limbaugh:6030 talk.abortion:38910
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:54:43 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Bill Nolte) writes:
>> = ( Steve Novak):

>> Has anybody confirmed or denied this rumor for poor Jym?  I haven't
>> heard.  Though, Nolte and other sheep are already buying Snapple in
>> droves :).

>Gee, thanks Steve.  I didn't know that all it took to become famous on
>the net was to get under your skin.  

If you make me laugh, inadvertently or not, I remember you.

And boy, do I remember you! :)

>You make me proud.  Bring on the Snapple!

Bah-ah-ah-ah!

Tell me, Bill, do you have good evidence that the Snapple company is 
indeed as Jym surmised?  Or are you gonna have a garage sale to unload
those cases of Rasberry Pomegranate?

-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
steven@advtech.USWest.Com
From: stillmmd@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Mark Stillman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: dissection software needed
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:49:02 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin -- Eau Claire

I am looking for Mac or MS-DOS software to replace dissection in college-level
biology courses.  I need the company names,phone numbers, cost, liscensing
info, and any other information you can give me.

E-mail me at Stillmmd@cnsvax.uwec.edu.

Thanks a million,
Mark

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:50:04 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <80713@ut-emx.uucp> zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mark Gansle) writes:
>
>There seems to me that there are four main positions on abortion:
>
>1) Abortion on demand: abortion is always OK through all nine mos. of
>pregnancy

>Let's examine these positions, shall we?

>1)  I think none but the most calloused among us can seriously believe that
>abortion up until live birth is acceptable, as this requires delivery to
>be a prerequisite to humanity/life.  How can on argue that 3 inches separates
>a child from rights and no rights?  (If anyone *does* support this position,
>I'd *love* to hear the logic involved).

This position would be the Biblical one, if you believe in the Bible.
It comes from the notion that God breathed life into Adam. Interestingly
enough, Jewish law holds that it isn't a person with equal rights to the
mother until the head is born.
 


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.abortion
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua: Ending "Systematic Repression"
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:16:00 GMT

In article <rich.717533326@pencil> rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
>In <1992Sep22.220907.27779@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>Nope.  The Sandinistas were not elected.  Moreover, when they were
>>finally forced to have an election they lost.
>
>What bullshit.  Why don't you read a book about it before you show off
>your ignorance.

Moreover, it sure helps to have the CIA on your side when you have an
election.  So more suggested readings would be on elections in Vietnam,
Australia, Chile, Iran and Peru.


Paul Southworth                    |     ftp redspread.css.itd.umich.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:48:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Sep30.202615.6861@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>
>Btw, aren't you the fellow who claimed to be Randall Terry's brother-in-law
>in alt.fan.dan-quayle?
>

Ha Ha, you must have missed the smiley.

Ted

-- 
"Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Beluga Whales Die at Shadd Aquarium in Chicago, Ill
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.192618.26924@mont.cs.missouri.edu> orr@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Bob Orr) writes:
>According to AP 23-September two out of 4 Beluga Whales captured in
>Hudson Bay off Churchill Manitoba and transported to Shadd Aquarium
>Chicago are already dead. A male and female died within 15 minutes of
>each other. Officials of the Canadian Ministry of Fisheries and Shadd
>Aquarium were told that the Belugas would die if taken from their home
>in Hudson Bay. Shadd Aquarium Director Baker claims that this outrage
>is in aid of "scientific research to help protect Belugas in the
>wild". Baker's "research" seems to show that if Belugas are captured
>from the Arctic water and kept in a tank in Chicago their life
>expectancy is reduced to weeks. Well, I could have told the fool that!
>As a practising scientist I am ashamed to carry the same label as
>Baker.

I believe that some important information left  out  above is that the
whales died shortly after being given antibiotic injections.  They did
not 'just die' because they were in Chicago.   They  had been  here in
Chicago for several months.
				reb
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.activism
From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: Re: damning statistics
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:23:24 GMT

In article <Yeku5cu00WBMA7xalM@andrew.cmu.edu>, Andrew E Johnson <aj1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I am looking for a series of statistics
>that are most damning of the Bush administration. 


	This reminds me of a quote I once heard.  Unfortunately I forgot
the source.

	"A wise man uses statistics in the search for Truth, while a fool uses
them to support a preconceived position".

	Mr. Johnson, which are you?

Ray Swartz
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua: Ending "Systematic Repression"
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:15:51 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

>
>1. Rich only asked me to read one book.
>
>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

When researching an issue with which one does not have personal knowledge,
it is difficult to know what to trust, and it is dangerous to trust
one book.

One technique that I use is to see what the book has to say about a
particular fact that is not is dispute.  In the case of Nicaragua, 
I use a combination of Amnesty International and America's Watch
reports to get a characterization of the 1984 elections.  Then I
compared this to a number of books that dealt with Nicaragua in much
more detail than the AI or AW reports.  The Kinzer book that John
McCarthy recommends decribed this election as a "failure".  The
various reports had mixed reactions to the election, describing
various abuses and such, but still thought that they were a major
advancement of past Nicaraguan history and that the result generally
represented the will of the people.  There is plenty of room for
debate about specifics for this election and how they should be
characterized, but the word "failure" is a misrepresentation of 
the 1984 elections.  I concluded that the Kinzer book could not
be relied upon.  This assumes that one trusts AI and AW.

There is an anthology called "Nicaragua: The Unfinished Revolution"
that I would recommend.  It contains a variety of articles from
all parts of the political spectrum, from Tomas Borge to Ronald
Reagan, and plenty in between.  Some of them are paired so that
you get a point-counterpoint perspective.
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
From: loeb@ai.mit.edu (Eric Loeb)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:38:02 GMT

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