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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dyson Sphere's (***SPOILERS***)
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:55:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bw7I5C.L9o
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct15.212247.7609@smsc.sony.com> tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker 817) writes:
>
>The discovery of this Dyson sphere and the way it was handled really
>bothered me.  THIS WOULD BE THE DISCOVERY OF THE MILLENIUM!  Instead,
>at the end of the show the Enterprise just flies off knowing no more
>than they started.  Are they explores or what?!?!?
>

I see them as flying POINT. They run into things and pass the information
to Starfleet who sends a ship out to do the REAL work.

Besides, the crew of 1701-D have their hands full trying to handle
the transporter problems!!! 8-)

Flip


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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: pad is sexy and nude!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:12:27 GMT

In article <67634@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>At the moment I don't have a specific Trek novel in the works, although
>two are in the discussion stages: 
.... and the other is a novel
>focusing on Captain Sulu of the Excelsior.


	YES!


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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People"
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:10:38 EST
Distribution: na,world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <ratner.718501708@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner) writes:
> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
> 
>>*Spoilers*               
> [ other comments deleted ]
> 
> Another problem - 
> 	What about Aklar calling the first ``receptacle'' mother.  Why didn't
> the girl complain about it, insist that she wasn't his mother?  Unknown.
> And why didn't Troi use her magic powers and sense something wrong
> with her?  Her neurotransmitters are 400% above normal, she exhibits ALL
> the strange emotions coming from Aklar, but Troi doesn't notice a thing?

She did sense malevolence from her.  I believe she mentioned that to Riker. 
Maybe she couldn't sense the evil from Aklar, because his emotions were
elsewhere.

But why doesn't Troi mention to Riker the changes in herself.  She knew
something was very wrong at the initial moment.  Didn't she recognize her own
behavior changes to talk to someone about it, or at least try?

Also, why is it that no one makes any comments on Troi's flowing gray hair?

> Worf's role this week was just plain stupid.  Not even a struggle.

He looked stupid as chief of security with two guns pointed at him when he was
supposedly looking out for Picard and himself planetside.

It was interesting to watch Worf teach Tai Chi, though! :-D

Did anyone notice that the planet changes size depending on which side of the
screen it's on?

I liked Riker alot better in this show.  He came across as a very compassionate
person, which is a nice change.  I think Troi and Riker go well together.  I 
liked the ending line 'til you're old and gray'.  That was cute.

-Pamela Cho-
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From: smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<23294@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <1992Oct10.151810.316@sunova.ssc.gov>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:18:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.151810.316@sunova.ssc.gov> haaser@quince.ssc.gov (Bobby Haaser) writes:

   |>  I think the most interest aspect of TAII, at least structurally, is the
   |> comparison between the two machines which survive the "temporal rift":
   |> Data's Head vs Twain's Watch.
   |> 
   |>  Data's Head moves forward in time with one large 500 year detour (loop),
   |> while Twain's watch is "lost" to eternity by becoming stuck in that same
   |> 500 year loop, constantly being returned to that starting point of the
   |> loop in the 19th century. 

    I just whould like to ask one question: whose frame of reference are
     you looking from when you say  "lost to eternity and becoming stuck
     in the five year loop"?  

	I think that he thought that Twain exchanged watches in the
cave, leaving the one he picked up on the Enterprise in the cave, while
taking the one he dropped with him.  Had he done that, he would have
created an infinitely old watch (it would be placed in the cave in the
1890s, sit there 500 years, be taken by Twain back to the 1890s, be
placed in the cave, ...), but this is not what happened (unlike what is
supposed to have happened to Kirk's glasses in ST2-4 ["Those were a gift
to you!" "And they will be again."]).
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
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AL/HRTI                        | Living examples of what we could be if we
Brooks AFB, TX 78235           | tried.  They are men of courage, compassion,
-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil | presidential candidates.
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Enterprise time travel?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:25:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ichips.1992Oct12.202559.17416
Organization: Intel Corporation
Originator: smintz@alamo


Ya, in TS3:TSFS the young ensine seeing Kirk get into the transporter says "my
God!! that's admiral Kirk!!", in other words kirk and the rest of the crew are
the stuff of legends...Yet in TNG they treat Kirk and the rest like
nothing...Comon guys treat em like the gods they are....It wouldn't have taken
Kirk five years to get in Dr Crushers pants...;)
Stephen
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:34:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Oct7.193455.27170
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC

>>>I suppose these might be spoilers
>

>
>>>Could someone please explain to me why the people stuck in
>>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
>>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
>>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
>>
>>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
>>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
>>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
>>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
>>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  For that matter, if you're
>>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
>>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  And, before I'm
>>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
>>members beamed out?
>>
>Ok, here are my possible conjectures as to this and the show.
>For one most of the things in question were explained in the show itself.
>The reason the crew members appeared as worms was because due to the
>fact that all the matter was out of phase in the transporter beam things
>didn't appear as they should.
>
>The reason they were able to stay dematerialized was mentioned as well.
>The inonization energy pulses of the plazma stream was enough to keep
>the patterns from disintegrating.  Something like that.  Watch the show
>again.
>
>The reason why they were in the transporter was that they were trying to
>rid themselves of the microbes.  And the 5th crew member found dead was
>the one who put them in the transporter beam.  They weren't trying to
>transport anywhere.
>

So how did the fifth crew member die?  Good explanation except for
that one tiny hole. 

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From: "steve willer" <steve.willer@canrem.com>
Subject: time's arrow paradox
Reply-To: "steve willer" <steve.willer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:38:25 EST

BW>Sorry Steve, but that lengthy message was not sent because you've still
  >got the Subject header wrong.  You should put a "UN: " statement WITH
  >the space, not a "USE: " statement.

Got it. Still have to take a moment to get used to Usenet on this BBS. No big
deal about the message being lost. I have hot air to spare :)

Isn't there something about me needing to leave the first line blank, too, so
the gateway doesn't think it's a personal message? Or is that in another
situation?
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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker's lust for the Enterprise
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:34:40 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Oct10.150404.16023@ncsu.edu>, gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.174734.1823@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>Riker is an odd guy.  I think in he can manage people to a degree, but
>>he always looks to Picard first.  He has always bothered me.  I'm not
>>sure why I dislike him so much, but he's really not good in a true
>>command position.  I don't think he's all that sharp, for one thing.
...omission of text...
>>Shoot now, think later.
> 
> I just don't understand why he keeps turning down other commands.  Does
> he really love serving on the Enterprise that much?  I mean, in the
> episodes that he did have to make some command decisions, he seemed
> to enjoy it.  I think he really wants a command, but he wants he command
> to be the Enterprise so he is just waiting for Picard to kick off.
> 
> -Greg
> 
Hi Greg,
I think that he enjoys the prestige of being in a command position.  I 
just don't think he has the inate talent for it.  Yet I don't think he's
waiting for Picard to kick off...I think he's actually quite comfortable
with 2nd place with the 'real' responsibility being on someone else's 
shoulders.  He just doesn't have the cool sense of mind or 'suaveness'
...or doesn't really seem in control much.  I think he lashes out too
much.  Doesn't he also bother you?  There's just something about his
personality that really gets on my nerves.
-Pamela Cho-
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Relics, Spoilers HO!
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:25:20 GMT

Sort of spoilers ahead...





































In article <1bfcs3INN1jq@gap.caltech.edu>, thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
|> In article <Bw0u7p.KGL@acsu.buffalo.edu> rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King) writes:

|> >1) Scotty could taste the difference between Synthohol and alcohol, so Data
|> >	gave him some brandy (I forgot what kind it was but it was 'Green').
|> >	Problem: The replicators are able to sythesize real alcohol as well
|> >		  as synthohol, so Data didn't have to break into the stock.
|> 
|> COULD be the replicators are programmed NOT to dispense intoxicating drinks.
|> (Anybody KNOW anything about this?)  Can't have crew wandering around drunk,
|> can we?

   The replicators are definitely able to generate the "real thing."
In the episode "Up the Long Ladder" one of the colony members who comes on
board the Big E asks for a drink. After drinking it he says it lacks "kick."
He is then told that the replicators can make real alchohol as well. In fact,
Worf ends up ordering a Klingon brew that knocks the socks off that colony
member!

-- Tim
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:10:01 GMT
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
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Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Richard Izzo (spork@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
: >Spoilers for MotP...
: >
: 
: >"Man of the People" was well written IMHO.  We start off with the plot
: >right away, and never really do anything else but watch the plot unfold.
: >There were enough hints through the shows as to the situation with
: >the ambasssador and (female) empaths.  The plot was given plenty
: >of time to build, and a comparable amount to resolution.  Obviously, this
: >episode shows that writtens have definitely overcome pitfalls of last season.
: 
: 	*PUKE*  Hate to be rude, but...this has to be THE worst episode 
: since...GAWD, I don't remember when.  This is an example of writing so
: bad that it defies logic.  Why would a peacekeeper bring his MOTHER on
: the ship?  A sick person, at that.  I figure that would've at least brought
: about SOME suspicion.

He was an ambassador.  He travels a lot and can do anything he wants.  So
he brought his mother.

: 	For another thing, Troi fell pretty quickly for this "death ritual."
: One would figure she would have noticed that he wasn't honest with his angst
: over his "mother's" death.

Not if she always fealt this "calm" within him.  Even when Alkar's
"mother" died, his bad emotions seemed to somewhere.  When they weren't
allowed to go somewhere in the end, he aged and died.

: 	All I saw in Sirtis's acting is that she really can't play lead
: roles, a suspicion confirmed in previous episodes over the years ("The 
: loss" comes to mind)  The acting seemed contrived.  Riker showed, like
: most of last season, his hormones are never far from the surface.  McFadden
: played her role well, though.  She displayed that intrusive, the-patient-
: at-all-costs personality Dr. Crusher always has, and the episode reinforced
: rusher's personality well.

I disagree about your analysis of both Sirtis and Frakes.  Troi subtly
showed her negative emotions: rage, jealousy, lust, anger very
convincingly.  Riker's ability to notice Troi's weird behavior, and allow
himself to be angry as well as concerned for Deanna was IMHO a good
performance.

I give it an 8.5.

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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Riker's lust for the Enterprise
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.222827.15371@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>
>Now, for the fun stuff.
>
>Hey Atsushi!  Walking out, eh?  Sounds pretty contemptuous to me.  

And rightly so. I thought it was a contemptible episode.



>Like something a Romulan would do...       uh oh.

Nobody accused the Romulans of being dumb.


>Someone made a comment to a positive netter that there wasn't a lot of
>bashing going on during "Inner Light" and "I, Borg".  Well, if memory
>serves, certain people (let's call them "AK"'s) *were* bashing at that time.

Key word: "a lot". Yes, some people disliked "I, Borg" because they didn't
want to lose Trek's one "unreasonable enemy." I wasn't one of them, btw
(the anti-"I Borg" viewers, that is :-) And I don't recall anyone *really* 
disliking "Inner Light".

If you're going to make accusations, please back them up (like by quoting
substantial bashing from me regarding "IB" and "IL").


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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Woopie Goldberg is a Toon... ?!?!?!?!?!
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-151092094016
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: na
Organization: NCSA

In article <1992Oct14.162330.19818@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org
(Mike White) wrote:
> 
> My kids were watching a cartoon the other day called
> "The Planeteers", in which eco-kids zoom around the
> world doing eco-good, and communing with Gaia (the spirit
> of the Earth).  The voice of Gaia sounded awfully like
> Woopie/Guinan.  I couldn't stick around for the credits,
> but does anyone know if this is right, or is my hearing 
> just going offline?  


You are correct, sir!

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:38:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

If you haven't seen the "Scotty" episode, beam out now...

Overall, I thought it was a great episode.  I had no problem buying the
way Scotty put himself into suspended animation with the transporter,
but I did have some other problems with the episode:

1.  How did they beam Scotty and Geordie out of the ship when its shields
were still up?  Can they transport through the shields now?  Through 75
year old sheild technology?  Did they beam them out after the photon torpedoes
overloaded the shields but before the ship blew up (now that's cutting it
down to the last nanosecond!)?

2.  I don't buy their getting the ship started again--if they could do that
now, Scotty could have done it 75 years ago.  But if warp power couldn't be
restored, it wouldn't have been that helpful.  Still, they should have
explained it better.

3.  How did Scotty and Geordie know that the Enterprise would be in any
condition to leave when they blocked the door open?  They could have
opened it once and sent in a message, then proceeded when the Enterprise
was ready--if they needed help getting out.

4.  I think they left out a scene where they restored power so that the
Enterprise could leave orbit--I thought that was what they had to do
within 3 hours, but I guess that they meant that they had to leave the
sphere, though that doesn't really make sense.  And I suspect that once
they had impulse power, they could have activated the door from the other
side just as easily, though they would have suffered the same power
interference that caused problems the first time.

Still, I loved the episode--especially the scene in the holodeck.  I didn't
think the old set still existed, but it looked like it was the same one.

--PC

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: use: time's arrow paradox
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:53 EST

Sorry Steve, but that lengthy message was not sent because you've still
got the Subject header wrong.  You should put a "UN: " statement WITH
the space, not a "USE: " statement.


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From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes)
Subject: Re: The Usenet Lynch (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Organization: Usenet Sports Programming Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:53:32 GMT

ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>>rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>>>Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?
>>
>>We made him up.  Various folk on the net contribute to the "Timothy Lynch"
>>persona (surely you didn't think that one person *alone* could generate all
>>those posts and synopses?  And the idea of having a cat named Pandora?
>>C'mon...).
>
>Yep.  He's sort of like the Usenet Oracle, except for the r.a.s.* groups...

This gets better and better.  Actually Tim Lynch *is* the Usenet Oracle
(think about it -- have you ever seen the two of them together?), and
Tim's wife Lisa is... well...

:-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P  :-P
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "realm of fear" prece
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:32:04 GMT
Distribution: rec
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In <1992Oct10.3208.12132@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:

>>        Incidental spoilers for "Realm of Fear" follow:



>I thought they let out a LOT of info that could easily be called a YATI,
>like the line "How many people were lost through the transporter in the
>last 50 years?  2?  *3*???"...  I'm sure O'Brien's lost SOMEONE during
>his *22* years as a transporter chief?

I believe that line referred to the number of people lost in *all*
transporter accidents, not accidents aboard the Enterprise-D (which
hasn't been around for 50 years).  If there were only two or three
fatal transporter accidents in the entire Federation, it is doubtful
that a random transporter chief with 22 years' experience would even
know someone who had lost a person in a transporter accident.

>Also, doesn't that mean he was tactical officer for that Captain in "The
>Wounded" over 23 years ago?

Imagine an Air Force officer saying, "I've been flying jet fighters
for 22 years."  Would you interpret this to mean that he may not
have had other duties, off and on, during that period?  Of course
not.


>Hell, I did.  Data, however, did not get into the specifics like when
>the TNG Tech Manual said.  The Tech Manual says that a person can be put
>in stasis for only 5 minutes without serious image degredation.

Add a footnote to your copy: It would take a miracle to recover
a pattern after longer periods of time.  See also miracle worker,
Capt. Montgomery Scott.