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From: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com (Tittu Mathew)
Subject: Close of Play Score Aus/SL (4th day)
Followup-To: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:28:20 GMT


	Australia resuming the 4th day (after a days rest) at 20 for no 
	loss were 397 for 7 at the close of play on the 4th day. I don't
	have the full score card, D.Jones made 50+ runs and G.Matthews was
	still batting on 61. So at the end of the 4th day Aus has a lead of
	108 runs with 3 wickets in hand. It looks like SL is in line for 
	their first test victory.

		[source BBC sports round-up]

	Tittu
From: KSRAO@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: 3 rd ODI England innings
Date: 20 Aug 1992 09:41:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu






    SAlim Malik won the toss for Pakistan and sent England to bat. They are 363
for 7 after 55 overs.. Pakistan werethrre overshort at the prescribed time and
might lose 5 percent of the match fee for every one of those three overs.

Gooch   b Waqar  42  at 84
Stewert c Wasim b Waqar 34 at 95
Smith   c Rameez b Aquib  77 off 72balls
Fairbrother   b Aquib 62 off 63 balls
Lamb  lbw Waqar  16
Hick b Wasim  63 off 42 balls
Botham c Rameez b Waqar  24 off 17 balls
Lewis   not  out  1
Defreitas  not out 5
Extras   39



Total 363 for 7. This is the highest ever one day innings total.

Bowling.

Akram  1 for 55 off 11; Aquib 2 for 55 off 11; Waqar 4 for 73 off 11
Mushtaq none for 58 off 11. Ijaz29 off 4, Sohail 34 off 3amd Mujtabz 43 off 4

Hich scores two successeivesixesoff Sohail. Hescored his fifty off 32
deliveries.

Rao
From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 5th test (merci, SAN!)
Keywords: A question for Shamim
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:12:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Aug13.211252.15638
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

In article <1992Aug13.143057.12057@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
>In article 13AUG199215165363@vxcrna.cern.ch,  hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:
>
>>But tell me one thing: how in the world were you so sure of Rasheed Latif,
>>not previously known for his batting prowess, making an impressive test
>>debut? 
>Well, I had seen him bat in the nets, I had seen him play for his team
>in Pakistan (#5 usually) and I had heard some very knowledgable people
>speak highly of his batting talents, people who know a lot about
>cricket.  When you think about it, it was a safe bet; considerably
>safer than say listening to a friend talking about a horse and betting
>on it. But in the end, it was the same as every other bet: gut
>feeling.
>>	-Hasan
>	--SAN
>
I am sorry that this is a personal post, but I tried to send an email to
Shamim, but it bounced back.
Shamim, my friends and I have been reading your posts regularly
but are confused about your email address. From the address in your posts, it
seems that you are in America, but you always give us inside information from
the grounds in England, could you please clear this up and probably send me an
email.
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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Mushtaq sets for Somerset
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:07:42 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Hi r.s.c.

People have been asking about leg-spinners in county cricket over last
20-30 years. Before Salisbury the last *proper* leg-spinner to play
county cricket was Robin Hobbs who played for Essex up to 1975 retired and
then came back to play for Glamorgan 1979-81. Hobbs also played a few tests
for England in late sixties early seventies.
 There have been batsmen
who have also bowled leg-spin, e.g. Fletcher, Barnett and Atherton and
I recall a chap called Nasir Zaidi who bowled leg-spin and played a few
games for my county (Lancashire) in the mid-80's.

I remember a couple of years ago seeing TWO legspinners bowling together
in a Sunday League(!) match at Old Trafford. Ian Salisbury and Andy Clarke
bowled together for Sussex and we hardly scored a run off them. Then the
seamers came on and our batsmen smashed them all over the place and we won
easily.

Its going to be interesting to see how Mushtaq goes on next year (four day
cricket in championship). If the weather is good he could get 100 wickets.

As a former (very bad) leg-spinner its good to see the return of a once
almost extinct species.


tony bell                 ! keep on running                
serc daresbury laboratory ! live long and prosper
            atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1
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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: HISTORY of LBW Rule Required
Keywords: History, Leg Before Wicket
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:42:07 GMT

andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>There is a product out now wherein a pitch in baseball can be reconstructed
>electronically. It is in essence a sequence of digitized pictures taken from a single camera and some algorithm figures out where the ball is, its trajectory etc. It has been used to "prove" the theory of the existence of a "rising fast ball" (which does exist and is nothing more than a fast ball which, given a high degree of back-spin, falls less rapidly than one without back-spin). I have often thought of the usefulness of such a device in cricket although I absolutely shudder at the thought of usi



>during a match. It could be used for training purposes - you could potentially show a ball being bowled then reconstruct the picture WITHOUT THE BATSMAN to see if it would have hit the stumps. Trainee umpires could possibly benefit from this.

There is a big difference.  The baseball never hits the ground and
therefore you can chart its motion with a high degree of accuracy --
you have all of 66 feel to take pictures and essentially all you have
to do in compute its position for the last 2 feet of its flight --
about the last 3%.  In cricket the ball radically changes direction,
speed, and angle after bouncing -- of course the new direction is
dependent on the trajectory before the bounce but not in an obvious,
regular fashion.  So essentially you have about 2 feet worth of flight
(after the ball pitches) to predict what happens in the next 2-4 feet
-- a much harder problem than extending 64 feet of flight 2 feet
more...  An extension of this technology could well work for cricket;
but just because it works for baseball might mean it has a ways to go
before being applied to cricket...

Bharat
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: barats@microsoft.com (Barat Shah)
Subject: Re: Indian Cricket
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:50:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug16.224108.5907@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
>A though I know little about India, looking in from the outside this appears
>to be a serious problem that I feel needs to be addressed by Indian Cricket.
>
>Any Comments.
>
>Mark.

  In my opinion the real problem with Indian cricket is their dead
  pitches- The wickets are so pathetic that it is absolutely impossible
  to seperate the "men from the boys". For years, on the domestic  scene
  I watched this continuing saga of top 5 collapsing and #8 or  #9 scoring
  a 100 or 200. The tendency in all teams was to pick tons of all rounders
  instead of strike bowlers. Ofcource it is the performance on these 
  dead pitches that is used in selecting a team and more often than not
  the wrong players make the bar. And bowling is a thankless job....
  you might as well try and score a bunch if you want to make a team.

  So we have this vicious circle- Tournaments on dead pitches, given a choice
  a team will pick an all-rounder over a strike bowler - and on dead wickets
  an average player may look as good as a real good bat- [the problem 
  compounded by the teams picking all rounders who are not the best bowlers].

  Unless they make better wickets, they will never get better bowlers and
  if they pick their batsmen based on how many runs they score against the
  really  mdeiocre bowling they will have the same luck at selecting a team
  as say throwing darts. 

  Bharat Shah
  

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From: papadopoulos-dimitrios@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitrios Papadopoulos)
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:26:40 GMT

In article <Bsvr5y.EvD@scd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>(Andrew, please wrap your lines at <80 chars!)
>
>:  Some replies to your posting have contested this point. But you are
>: right. Remember that every pitch in baseball is a call of some type. Take
>: the ratio of calls in baseball versus arguments to the calls in cricket
>: versus arguments. i would strongly suspect that the calss-to-argument factor
>: in cricket is higher than in baseball. Note also, that very few arguments
>: occur as the result of a strike/ball call. 
>
>I think the Test Match Special team were talking about this; one point they
>made is that you only get a handful of run out decisions in a match, whereas,
>as you say, the baseball umpire has to call each ball.  The baseball official
>therefore has a lot more practice at calling close decisions, and is less
>likely to get it wrong (in cricket, have you ever heard of an umpire's
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>decision on no balls being questioned (above club level)?).  Perhaps as
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Didn't you hear about Windies complaining that Australian umpires 
letting Thompson and Lillee bowl from 18yards in 1976(?)series 
which Australians won 5-1:-)

--Pushkar

>others have suggested, some form of practical training at calling run outs
>could be instituted for umpires?
>
>----
>Andrew
From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: Graeme Wood the run-out expert was Re: opening pair
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:39:27 GMT

Personally, I have always maintained that Mark Waugh's test career was
delayed bu the fact that he ran out so many people in his first one-day
matches, including Allan Border.|-)
-- 
Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made posession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From:  (A. U. De Silva)
Subject: SL vs Australia 
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:05:09 GMT


The scores at close of play of the third day

Australia 1st ininings - 256
Sri Lanka 1st ininings  - 547 /8 dec.
    A Gurusinghe        - 137  525mins, 399 balls, 18-4s
    A Ranatunga         - 127  266mins, 192 balls, 15-4s, 3 - 6s, 
    R Kaluwitharana     - 132 n.o.203mins, 158 balss, 26 -4s.

Romesh Kaluwitharan is the wicket keeper who is playing his first test.
He scoring as as follows
4,4,1,1,4,4,4,4,4,1,1,1,4,4,1,1,4,2,2,1,1,1,4,1,4,1,4,4,4,1,4,1,4,1,1,4,1,1,1,4,4
1,4,4,4,1,4,4,1,1,4

Australia in reply is 18 for no loss.

Today is a rest day
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: Aus V SL
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:20:54 GMT

End of Day 3:
SL made 540+ for seven or eight declared. 
Three people got hundreds. 
SL has a lead of 290+. 
Aus is 20+ for no loss in their second innings. 

	--SAN

ps
Surprsied that England has not announced a team for tmorrow's 
OD at Trentbridge.
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: PAK vs REST OF THE WORLD in TORONTO
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:43:31 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Asalam Alekum!

For the Cricket match I tried to get some more information and it is provided
below. 
_______________________________________________________________________


Pakistan Vs Rest of the World         
One day cricket match for charity.

Date : September 27 1992
Venue: SkyDome in Toronto
Time : 10 am to 5pm  (not sure about the timings)
Tickets: $12.50, $25, $35 , can be charged. ( I would recommend $25 or $35 
tickets because $12.50 may be in the nose-bleed area ) 
To order : Call Ticket Master at (416) 870-8000
Players: Pakistan: Imran Khan (Captain), Javed Miandad, Waqar Younis,
Saleem Jaffer.    
Rest of the World: Kapil Dev (Captain), Sachin Tendulakar, Mohd. Azharuddin,
Lara, Hooper, Patterson, Adams.

P.S. I am not involved with the organization of this match and information
provided on the players may not be accurate. Shehzad.
__________________________________________________________________________

Shehzad
From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: PAK, ENG  ONE DAYS ON PPV
Date: 21 Aug 1992 10:00:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        DON'T  FORGET  PAKISTAN  VS  ENGLAND  ODI  THIS  SATURDAY

                                ON  PPV


        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        by most of the cable companies throughout the US.

        Different companies are airing the matches at different times.
        Majority is showing it LIVE on AUGUST 22 (SATURDAY). Some would
        TAPE-DELAY the event by a few hours.

        The AUGUST 24 match may be TAPE-DELAYED and played on
        AUGUST  29 (SATURDAY). Some systems would show it LIVE.

        Your best bet would be to check with your local cable company
        to find the time and day of both the matches. I understand that
        the operators may not know yet because AVI has just struck deals
        with these companies. You might have to talk to your PPV MANAGER
        to get details.

        I also understand that the match would be SCRAMBLED and would not
        be distributed to satellite dish owners unless you make special
        advance arrangements with AVI @ (407) 239-8933.

        Different cable companies are charging different amounts. The
        range is from  $15 to $20.

        Some folks want to know what they can do if their cable company
        is unaware of the matches. I suggest that you call the PPV MANAGER
        of your company and let him/her know of your interest and ask them
        to contact AVI @ (407) 239-8933. It would not be a bad idea to
        give AVI the name/phone of your cable company's PPV MANAGER
        as well.

        In reply to someone's question, Sammons Communications has indicated
        that in towns where they operate there is no interest in cricket
        and so would not be carrying it. That is hard to believe.
        However, there are other companies in NJ, MA, NY carrying these
        games and are in close proximity.

        If anyone needs any further info. you can post it to rsc and I
        will see if I can get the answers.


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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: Domestic cricket competitions
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:26:35 GMT

With the discussion that I've opened on Indian cricket's problem running
slightly deeper than the selection table, that being the strength of their
first class comp.  I was thinking, what does everyone think is the best
domestic competition in terms of strength apart from their own which people
will naturally say is the best.

For Example my opinion is:
1. West Indies: a regional comp with six teams which is in essence
international cricket between the various Islands in the region, each play
each other once because of the lack of money available and a first innings/
outright points system.

2. South Africa: a province comp with 7 teams playing each other once and a
second division with 3 weaker provinces and the 2nd XI's of the others split
into groups so each team plays 4 games.  Bonus points system.

3. England: A county comp with 18 teams from next year playing each other
once, advantage of international cricketers in each side, play about 110
cricket per summer.  Bonus points system.

4. New Zealand: a district comp with 6 sides and along with South Africa the
last to have 3 day cricket.  Each side plays the others twice with a first
innings/outright points system.

5. Pakistan: 2 comps one with regional sides the other with departmental sides
each of 8 teams in divsion 1 and two groups in division 2 with 6 teams each,(
this is how it was couple of years ago anyway, propbably changed since) with a
bonus points system and a limit on the first innings of 85 overs.

6. India: A two tier system with a 27 team ranji trophy with the best from
this comp going into the knockout 5 team Duleep trophy.  The ranji trophy is
split into 5 zones with each team in the zone playing the others once and then
the zones play each other.  Bonus points comp.

7. Sri Lanka: Another two teir system with the lower being a club comp based
around Columbo and the higher being an area comp with 5 teams playing each
other once with a bonus points system in operation.

8. Zimbabwe: A 12 team club comp from all over the country, don't know how
often they play, match duration or points system though.

9. Netherlands & Denmark: both have a large number of clubs and basically have
a division setup with promotion/relegation of the clubs from one division to
another that covers the whole country, can mean though that the best players
are playing in division 2 or lower if his club is weak.

There you have it but for a run down on the Australian system here goes:
A six team comp covering the entire country with each side playing the others
twice and the top two playing off in the final.  A first innings/outright
points system.

Anyway thats my order excluding Aus. I hope all that I have said is correct
and apoligies to who ever wants to except them if it isn't.

Any comments?

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From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: Waqar Younis : Ninty-something .........
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:52:14 GMT

The amazing statistic about Waqar is that he has taken 
5 wickets in an innings 10 times in his 19 tests, 
i.e., better than every other test he takes 5 wickets an innings. 
He is the only one to do so after WW2, and this strike rate 
puts him in the company of four other bowlers. One of them is SF Barnes. 
I do not remember the other three. 

	--SAN
From: vnesiah@aludra.usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SL vs Australia
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug20.010509.13846@mel.dit.csiro.au> (A. U. De Silva) writes:

>The scores at close of play of the third day

>Australia 1st ininings - 256
>Sri Lanka 1st ininings  - 547 /8 dec.
>    A Gurusinghe        - 137  525mins, 399 balls, 18-4s
>    A Ranatunga         - 127  266mins, 192 balls, 15-4s, 3 - 6s, 
>    R Kaluwitharana     - 132 n.o.203mins, 158 balss, 26 -4s.
	
>Romesh Kaluwitharan is the wicket keeper who is playing his first test.
>He scoring as as follows
>4,4,1,1,4,4,4,4,4,1,1,1,4,4,1,1,4,2,2,1,1,1,4,1,4,1,4,4,4,1,4,1,4,1,1,4,1,1,1,4,4
>1,4,4,4,1,4,4,1,1,4

What a show off!
What is he trying to prove?
;->

>Today is a rest day
God knows they need it.

Vasee
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: 4th ODI result
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 14:10:33 GMT


A terrific finish. Pakistan winnning by 3 runs mainly due to some great
bowling by who else but the two Ws. Off to my postponed lunch now. Hope
to post a report or two tomorrow.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Aussie bowling
From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:35:48 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Why does everyone think New Zealand is such a hard place to tour?
We have a very nice climate in summer, appreciative crowds and
reasonable umpires (at least I hope they are...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: picking seam and cheating?
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:41:41 GMT

In article <11AUG199218542105@zeus.tamu.edu>, m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
|> 
|>  All this talk about picking seam and shining the ball on one side to 
|> aid in swinging is just bullshit and every body knows it. If this were the
|> case, why don't other bowlers do it. Don't tell me that pakistani bowlers
|> do it because they are cheats and others dont because they play clean.
|> 
|> 	If swinging the ball were so damn easy you would be seeing new
|> rules to curb such practices, for instance, in hockey, the IHF has 
|> almost ruined the classy hockey game of yesteryears by adopting rules
|> to curb fast and swift open play and promoting penalty corners strikes.
|> Why? simply because pakistan and india used to be superior in open and fast
|> dribbling play, unlike european teams who rely on power play and penalty
|> corners, and who controls the IHF, EUROPEANS.
|>
Wow! What spite! And what misinformation! Polishing the ball on one side is
legal and *every one* does it. Picking the seam is ILLEGAL and *some* people do
it. Picking the seam can cause the ball to swing PRODIGIOUSLY - that's why it's
outlawed. And has been outlawed for some time. Picking the seam, deliberately
damaging the surface, applying foreign agents are all ILLEGAL. For your info
damaging the ball in baseball is also illegal for exactly the same reasons. This
is basic stuff.

|> 	Same is the case with ICC; and who controls it?...Englang and 
|> Australia. It would be a great acheivement for cricket if england and
|> australia are stripped off their f_____g veto power by next year.
|> 
More crap. Please tell me and the rest of r.s.c when and under what conditions
have England and/or Australia used their veto power? Do you know? Do you know
how many countries are members of the ICC and what their respective voting power
is?

|> 	Just because England does not have good fast bowlers, they adopted the 
|> stupid one-bouncer-per-over rule. Now that they have lost the series, they
|> have to comeup with some excuse...... there u go... picking seam and shining
|> on one side. I salute your arrogance......
|> 
Who adopted the one bouncer per over rule? Do you know *why* it was adopted?
I salute your ignorance.....

|> 	On a last note, if Mike Stewart knew how W & W were swinging the ball,
|> EITHER he is the most stupid person on this earth not to have taught 
|> his bowlers OR he is a living saint to have played fair. Atleast he could
|> have told aaqib Javed. The poor chap toiled for the whole series for just
|> 9 wickets, while his partners were 'bowling' the shit out of english
|> batsmen. I leave it to the reader to decide which one Stewart is.
|> 
In this respect you are partially correct although the tone of your language
would fool most people. In the absence of a specific accusation, Nr Stewart
should have kept his mouth shut

AC.