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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Yet more Gillbert and Sullivan
Keywords: Vader's big number
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:56:58 GMT

Well, I guess now that I've dug it out, I may as well type in a bit more
of the _HMS Deathstar_.  Here's The opening number, sung by the Man in
Black himself ...

			WHEN I WAS A LAD
 
VADER
When I was a lad I went to school
To a Jedi master who I thought was cool.
His name was Kenobi but they called him Ben; 
And although you won't believe it I knew even then

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
And although you won't believe it he knew even then

VADER
That when Obi Wan finished teaching me,
I'd be the finest Jedi in the galaxy!

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
That when Obi Wan had finished teaching he,
He'd be the finset Jedi in the galaxy.

VADER
I studied very hard and developed skill
At levitating boulders and at saber drill.
I got so good that I could balance, chum,
Upside down on the tip of my right of left thumb.

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
Upside down on the tip of his right or left thumb.

VADER
Pretty soon it became quite clear to me,
That I was the finest Jedi in the galaxy.

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
Pretty soon it became quite clear to he
That he was the finest Jedi in the galaxy.

VADER
I went to the master and said "Obi Wan,
The days when you could teach me things have come and gone;
I'm the finest Jedi alive, you see."
And would you believe it, Ben just laughed at me!

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
And would you believe it Ben just laughed at he!

VADER
Now I've killed all the others, none can disagree
That I am the finest jedi in the galaxy!

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
Now he's killed all the others none can disagree
That he is the finest Jedi in the galaxy!

VADER
The end ogf the jedi brought to me
A once in a lifetime opportunity,
Fot then Emperor had seen my work, 
And he knew that I would not be one to shirk

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
And he knew ...

VADER
My duty be it e'er so mean
To advance the position of Lord Palpatine.

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
His duty ...

VADER
And from that day, though you may curse
My power has been feared through the universe.
I'm secind to one man alone;
the one who sits upon the Empire's throne

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
The one ...

VADER
Soon the Emperor will fall to me,
And then I'll be the ruler of the galaxy.

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
Soon the Emperor ...

VADER
If you yearn to become as great as me
Then you daren't be fettered by loyalty;
You must study very hard and go to school,
all the while being guided by this golden rule:

STORMTROOPER CHORUS
All the while ...

VADER
There is nothing like a spot of treachery,
To advance don't miss a single opportunity.

STORMTROOPER CHORUS (GOING DOWN ON ONE KNEE FOR THE FINALE'?)
There is nothing like a spot of treachery
To advance, don't miss a single opportunity!

Exeunt with divers alarums.
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Quote
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:02:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: wheaton.1992Nov6.000247.24319
Organization: Wheaton College, IL

In article <1992Nov4.072723.9449@ifi.uio.no> knutt@ifi.uio.no (Knut Torgersen) writes:
>
>From which of the tree movies is this one:
>
>	What is a magician but a practising theorist?
>         	       -- Obi-Wan Kenobi
>
>I found it in fortunes.dat, by the way.
>
This is a line from the Del Ray novel of STAR WARS. (ANH) This book was
ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster for George Lucas, and contains a few
inconsistencies with the film(s). Not to discredit the quote...

						local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:03:33 GMT

In article <2NOV199222343654@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> hdw@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (H D WALDEN) writes:
>STAR move from point "A" to point "B" in space. You never see any kind of rock-
>ets or thrusters on it. In ANH, after Luke, Han, C-3PO, R2-D2, and Chewie escape
>from the DS and shoot down those four TIE fighters, they go into hyperspace to
>the rebel base( forgive me, but I forget what planet it was on ). The next thing
>you know, the DEATH STAR is approaching the planet. My question is, HOW THE HELL
>DID IT GET THERE! Again, we never see any thrusters on it. Even if there were
>hidden thrusters that only appeared when the DS was moving, it would be IMPOSS-
>IBLE for any kind of thruster to generate the amount of energy needed to send 
>DEATH STAR into hyperspace!
>
>   Any comments? I CHALLENGE YOU!
>
>                                -"There will be no one to stop us this time!"
>
>
	
	Of course the Death Star can enter hyperspace. That's the only way
anything gets anywhere in the SW universe. True, you can't see thrusters
lighting up anywhere on the thing. This used to bug me, too, but think of it
this way: They wouldn't Look Cool. Whatever the other criteria for a good Star
Wars spaceship, it has to Look Cool. Thrusters didn't. 

If you're picky, consider this: The thrusters don't need to be burning for a
spacecraft to move. Maybe the DS turned off its thrusters once it got near the
planet, ready to orbit. The "Invisible" thrusters could be hidden in the big
trench that circumcises (I mean, circumscribes) the Death Star. When they're
not operating, they can't be seen.

							local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad
					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
______________________________________________________________________________
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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.215708.14742@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>
>C3-PO walks past the bones of a rather larger animal just before being
>"rescued" by the Jawas. Hence, such large creatures must populate the planet.
>Rancor (Jabba's pet monster that Luke killed), may be of the specie that those
>bones belong to. Would you classify Rancor as a dino?
>

	I remembver hearing somehere that those bones were those of a
Krayt Dragon.  The Krayt itself is never seen, but Ben Kenobi uses the
call of the Krayt Dragon to scare off the Tusken Raiders.
From: meierdalepau@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE:  return of the pissant figures...
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:34:21 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

	Nope--the closest they ever came to making a Rebel trooper was the 
Rebel Snow Soldier figure for ESB, but I still think the troopers on Leia's
 blockade runner were a lot cooler looking.  As for the dianoga/trash compactor 
playset, the closest Kenner ever came to that was their Death Star playset 
(the big tri-level plastic one, not the chipboard one sold in Europe),  which 
had a small trash compactor filled with foam 'trash' and which could only 
hold one figure.  As for the interpreter droid, well, there's always C-3P0, 
although the Death Star Droid could be considered one as well.

Dale Meier
From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: NOT REALLY A (Cliff Claven Figure
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:02:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov9.144352.15834@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov6.235801.26899@wheaton.wheaton.edu>, nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill) writes:
> |>>
> |>>	THERE IS A CLIFF CLAVEN STARWARS ACTION FIGURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> |>>
> |>
> |>I love my Cliff Claven figures. I have two of 'em. It's fun to sit one of them
> |>down next to the Rancor Keeper and say, "another beer, Narmy?"
> |>
> 
> I'd hate to interrupt all the fun you guys are having with this, but the 
> Rebel Commander figure from the ESB line is *NOT* the guy you think it is.
> This has bothered me for quite some time.  You see, the figure itself may look
> like "Cliff" but the photo on the card is *NOT* of the same person.  In fact,
> the person whose photo was used is wearing the same outfit but is missing one
> important thing that distinguishes him from "his" figure.  THE GUY HAS NO
> MOUSTACHE!! Plus the fact that it isn't John Ratzenberger anyway.  I'm *NOT* 
> saying that he wasn't in the movie, just that he wasn't immortalized with a 
> figure.
> 
> -chris
	
	Are you sure?!  Might you be thinking of the Rebel Soldier figure,
who looks a lot similar?  The Rebel Commander figure DOES have a moustache, 
but it's been so long since I've seen the card that I don't know what the guy
on the front looks like.  However, I can't believe that they'd have a card that
looks SO different from the figure.  Maybe the picture guy has a lighter
moustache that is really hard to see in the light.

		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy

******************************************************************************
Currently Seeking:  FIGURES: Zuckuss, IG-88, ANH Han Solo
		    DIE CAST:  Y-Wings, Boba Fett
		    TALL FIGURES:  Boba Fett, Rocket Fett
******************************************************************************
From: crazystv@ilix.cs.uoregon.edu (Steven K Ransom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movieskip
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:24:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov13.082417.11754
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

My opinion on the Zahn books:  good, fun, yes.  But they undo what the third
movie gave us.  The third trilogy should set up a different conflict, and would
best be in a different style than the second.  Lucas said in the ROJ article
in Time Magazine (May, '83) that the third trilogy would be a philosophic and
intellectual view of a universe bounded by the Force, not the same comic-book
style of the middle set.  While I love the existing movies, and enjoy Zahn's
adventure, I feel we should be true to Lucas' vision.

Reviving dead stories requires little imagination.  Salutations to Zahn:  a
fine job. My request to Lucasfilm:  Give us something new.
 
One very annoying habit of T.Z.:  In the first novel especially, he continually
recycles, recalls and reuses the first films, just to "validate" his
credibility.  I hated that.
 
---Crazy Steve

P.S.  Can anyone review the 2nd edition rulebook of the RPG for me?
      <crazystv@cs.uoregon.edu>
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:53:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <92310.022426JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu> Mumbles <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <SS.92Nov3183414@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) says:
>>Why bother with thruster. A gravitational field of some kind to propel
>>the DS could be feesable. Maybe? Besides, what is "hyperspace" ? It is
>>a matter of incredible speed in normal space, or is is a type of
>>dimensional travel.
>
>I always thought hyperspace was a different "dimension" that mapped
>to and from our space, but that it was smaller and so you could travel
>between the mapped points faster.  (this is opposed to warp which is
>really fast travel in our own space.)
>But then I was wondering why there would be a risk of flying through a
>a supernova if you left our space...
>
>Jim Durrell
>JXD132 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>

I agree with your vision of h-space. I also think that planets, stars and
especially super-novas (as well as all matter, I suppose) exist in h-space as
well as real space. The h-space manifestation of stars and super-novas  is
unfriendly to ships and people - much like the real space counterparts.
However, unlike real space, such energetic objects occupy much "volume" (if
such word is meaningfull in h-space). While random (unguided) motion through
real space is *very* unlikely to strike a celestial object (even given the
gravitational attraction of such objects), this is probably no longer true
in h-space (there may also be a "h-space gravity" or a similar phenomena).
Hence, the likelyhood of striking a star or supernova can not be ignored
when entering h-space.

The reason I am so sure h-space has this danger is that ships under fire
always take the time to calculate jumps. If h-space was as thinly populated
with objects as real space, pilots would jump to h-space (randomly) and
upon exiting (in a hopefully quieter part of the galaxy) do a more calculated
jump to wherever they are really going.

Also, ships never jump into/out of h-space too close to a planet (which would
save time) implying that planetary gravity might have a h-space presense.
I suspect that shields (like the Hoth and Endor shields) can not be bypassed
via h-space - i.e. shields also have h-space presense.

Question: do we ever see the what the passengers see on the window while in
hyperspace? (not while jumping, but while on "stright" flight). Do we see
stars? planets? other objects?

- What do you guys think?
From: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bogus language
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:59:12 GMT
Reply-To: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

<Deleted text re Lando's Co-pilot in the Falcon in RotJ>

I saw a news article about the co-pilot.  He was cracking people up in Africa
(I dont remember what region or country) because he was responding to Lando's
questions with phrases like 'Hello, How are you', and 'I am fine' ect . . . - 
Right out of a English-???????? phrasebook.  I wonder why they cut corners on
a minor character (perhaps because he was minor) and spend BIG bucks on the 
walking plush toy's language and Sly Snoodle's song.

SLJ
(Member of the official Olympic Ewok-hunting team) - Atlanta '96
From: crazystv@ilix.cs.uoregon.edu (Steven K Ransom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re:  Model of Imperial Shuttle!
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.


   The "Shuttle Tyderium" model (lambda-class Imperial) truly sits on my
dresser here.  It had a detailed cockpit with two little guys, two swivel guns,
working wings, optional landing gear, a tall stand labled "ROTJ" and a working 
docking ramp that dropped and extended down.  A Darth figure is included to put
on the Ramp.  It was made by MPC/Ertl.  I don't believe they re-released it
in the latest batch.  Sorry.
 
  ---Crazy Steve
    <crazystv@cs.uoregon.edu>
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Subject: Re: LAST COMMAND Predictions ( SPOILERS! )
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:14:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University

OOPS! I meant to type TLC, not LTC.
I guess TLC just sounds so goofy.....
or maybe it could be the start of a great ad campaign!

"Come on down to Waldenbooks and get some TLC today....."
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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: SW Halloween Costumes
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:33:52 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Nov6.120207.7891@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca writes:

> stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes:
> >
> >A friend of mine dressed up as a DEAD LUKE SKYWALKER.....top that one  :-)
> 
>    Was he a "luminous being", or just "this crude matter"?   :-)
> 
>    Seriously though, what did this costume look like?
> 
>    (Next year I'll go as Han Solo in carbonite.)  ;-)
> 
> -- 
> 



	DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A REALLY GOOD DARTH VADER COSTUME?


				-"THERE WILL BE NO ONE TO STOP US THIS TIME!"
From: mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More Questions
Date: 7 Nov 1992 23:50:44 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Thoughts on Threepio

Perhaps this is the case:
C-3P0 is aware that the ship was carrying Princess Leia to Alderaan but
he doesn't know what she looks like.  I've never read or more importantly
seen anything that indicated that Threepio was indeed one of Leia's 
droids or that C-3P0 or R2-D2 were in any way affiliated with her (other
than the common vessel "on a diplomatic mission.")  Of course, I'm making
this perspective based completely on the assertion that he is NOT lying.

If he's not telling the truth, then I would agree that he's attempting
to cover evidence of the rebellion from young farm boy Luke.  Although
this, to me, seems a little out of character for C-3P0, the biggest
blabbermouth in all the galaxies far far away!  (IMHO)

So, it certainly could be possible that Threepio doesn't know what the
princess looks like, just that she was on board.  This allows him to make
his statement in the beginning: "There'll be no escape for the princess this 
time."  After seeing the image, he might have thought (or is that computed?)
that she was an important person by knowledge of something unapparent to us
who are not part of the culture.  Perhaps by noticing her dress or her hair
(how many people in the galaxy wear hair in that fashion?) or her style in
general that allowed his "mindless" philosophies to generate the statement
"I'm afraid I'm not quite sure. A person of some importances, I believe, sir."

As support for this theory, I'd like to point out that in the complete
recording, Leia says that she has "...placed certain plans in the memory banks
of this R2 unit..." -- to me, "this R2 unit" is not exactly a familiar term
(perhaps calling him/her/it by the name R2-D2 or pooky or "overweight glob
of grease" would have been a sign of familiarity with the droid(s)) and thus
it might be possible that she is just using the R2 unit but has never been
introduced to them.  Perhaps by the mere fact that she was able to reprogram
R2 with a recording of herself indicates that she is a persion of "some
importance."

I can't possible think for any other explanations under the assumption that
Threepio is telling the truth.  If he's lying, then i consider it a trivial
topic and we should move on to more intriguing things like:

what reason could there be for Luke's initial familiarity with Dagobah after
he landed and started setting up camp.  He made a comment that I wonder about:
"Still, there's something familiar about this place."

My only theory is that when Luke and Leia were being separated from their
father (and presumable their mother), Obi-Wan brought Luke (and possible Leia)
to Dagobah and asked Yoda's advice on hiding him/them before having Luke
placed in the care of Ben's brother Owen (and Ben's old commander, Bail 
Organa.)

May the force be with us all and let the lines be short in 1997 (or '93? :-))

Mike
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movieskip
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:17 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <2f#=Z#-@engin.umich.edu>, yyrkoon@inthehat.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
> 
>> 	And what about them makes them garbage? 
> 
> ( referring to the Zahn books. ) 
> 
> The books were pretty good but I did have a problem with one thing. The generals
> and whoever would essentially say: "Luke's hair is combed to the left today
> so the rebels will be attacking at such and such a place." There were alot
> of logical explanations for things left out.  The books are great in terms
> of Star Wars stuff but on a literary scale they don't rate very highly. 
> I know there are alot of well read people who support me in this.
> 
> Jeff = yyrkoon

	Yeah, Thrawn was a bit unbelieveable, but I kind of liked listening
(reading) his logic leaps, and chuckling abot how far fetched they were, but I
am sure there are just as many incredible holes in the trilogy as well.  As to
their literary significance, I don't read books for their social significance,
or how they rate on a literary scale.  I read books to enjoy them.  Sure Thrawn
was a bit iffy, but that's one of the things that makes him a good villian, he
knows what the enemy is up to.  Many of his logic leaps were explained fairly
well, though the three people tranfered thing was pretty iffy by any
standards.  I think you are expecting to much from Zahn's books.  Look at them
as entertainment, not artwork.
	As to well read people, I have read more than my fair share of books,
but, as I mentioned above, I read for entertainment, not to be "enlightened".
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Movie Trilogy?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:38:27 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden) writes:



>Hi, I am new to this group and hope that some of my questions can be
>answered. I've just read the first book of the second Star Wars trilogy.
>Its great, but what is the goal here?

>1.      Are they going to make another movie trilogy as well?
>2.      If so, then when, and would there be a new cast? I understand the
>        second trilogy takes place aproximately 5 years after 'The Return of
>        the Jedi' Since the first trilogy, most of the actors have become
>        pretty famous. I doubt they would be willing to do a second Star Wars.
>        So what is the deal here?

Check the FAQ.  If you had, you would know that the Zahn novels are total
garbage rather than the "second trilogy" (which is actually the third).
The next movies are going to be of the first trilogy (taking place before
Star Wars).

Please don't equate the Zahn stories as part of Lucas' trilogy of trilogies.
I would think he would find it rather offensive.

keith
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