From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Subject: Re: do settlers get to vote
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:08:24 GMT

In article <9212101543.AA07240@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes (really):
>
>> Currently I have a very enlightening, deep and serious discussion going on
>> with a very sincere Greek Cypriot. That is enough for me in terms of my need 
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>> to discuss the Cyprus problem with my Greek Cypriot counterparts. I thus
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>> have NO INTEREST in getting into the discussions on this net except in the
>> style that I did today. i.e. to have fun!
>
>Unless, of course you get to show your real views once in a while, preferrably
>in ALL CAPS. Examples like last summers "COME AND TAKE IT IF YOU CAN" or like
>the example below are certainly "enlightening, deep and serious". 

The tone of my writing is DIRECTLY PROPOTIONAL to the people I discuss with.
If I wrote that(which I know I did), it was to annoy you and had to do with 
nothing but your behaviour and attitude.

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>BSE> Whoever you are stupid(!), I, as a Turkish Cypriot, only LAUGH at your claim 
>BSE> that Denktash wins only because the settlers from Turkey support him. 
>BSE> THE TRUE TURKISH CYPRIOT SUPPORT FOR DENKTASH HAS BEEN NOT LESS THAN 70-80% 
>BSE> FOR YEARS AND WILL NEVER BE UNTIL HE RETIRES or dies(hopefully not for a 
>BSE> long time yet). 
>
>> As to my opinion of a solution in Cyprus;
>> The problem is deeper than is presented. As long as the attitudes stay
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>> the same as they are today, I DO NOT believe a solution is feasible.
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>Do you now see why settlers get to vote? why upset the status quo? Do the
>examples of yourself SHOUTING above indicate a willingness to change? Don't
>think so.

If you think "getting Denktas out of the office" is welcoming change, 
the same applies to the former EOKA men who are in good positions
in Greek Cypriot government,community or political parties.
[ Remember: EOKA, a blood-thirsty organization who gave "hell" to the 
 Turkish Cypriots between the years of 1963-1974]

I did not imply anywhere that change needs to apply only to the Greek Cypriot 
thinking and leadership. I agree that Turkish Cypriots also need to be 
responsible for some of this change, but if you are a reasonable person, (which
I don't think you are, I don't even know why I am wasting my breath),
tell me "Can the majority community be better at acting as an agent for change 
or the minority community ?", "Wouldn't committment and good will from the Greek
Cypriots help to ease the fears of the Turkish Cypriots or not?"   
Personally I feel I can never trust them. 
I don't know why I am writing this, because I know that what I wrote above
will never happen because the majority of the Greek Cypriots can't do it.
It's not in their character. They are the majority, Cyprus is theirs and why
should have to treat the minority right ?" so I quit here. No reason to waste
my breath anymore.

>
>> A solution can be feasible ONLY IF the two communities start thinking of
>> themselves as partners not as competitors and start working together instead
>> of against one another. 
>
>If only you meant it....

It's not up to you to decide whether I meant it or not.

I wouldn't have written if I had not meant it.


Still wasting my breath.....
Besime Erin  
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>Spiros
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>(no chicken sig today, I'm on diet)