Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 18:50:37 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Adream
 <1992Apr16.035041.27689@wam.umd.edu> <92107.084526QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Apr16.144826.8708@wam.umd.edu>

In article <1992Apr16.144826.8708@wam.umd.edu>, aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo
Pinkas) says:
>
>In article <92107.084526QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>
>I have not doubts about what people is saying about discrimination, etc.
>I just do not think that I, because I am heterosexual, know why and how I
>am heterosexual and how it works.
>So, I believe the descrptions as that. Not as an explanation of the roots
>that generate the problems.

You didn't have to think about your sexuality by default, IMHO
GLB people were forced to understand theirs because they were
raised in a heterocentric society.

>That is how all of this started. I said: "I feel that sharing kids is not a
>very good idea". Someone asked why. I said: "I am not sure that homosexual
>parents can develop the Oedipus Complex in the child". That was all I said.
>Then, I added: "I can also believe that homosexual couples might follow the
>traditional man-like and woman-like roles accepted by society, then,
>fullfiling the Complex in the child".
>Period.

I'll avoid the Oedipus Complex stuff (I think it's bunk, but that's my
opinion)  BUT - you're expecting gay/lesbian couples to "copy" the
het model (i.e., masc./fem. roles) of relationships?  Puh-leeeeease.

>Then, someone said that I was against allowing homosexuals to adopt, etc.
>Well, that their illusion, not my words.

Ok, I'll accept your word on that, since I can't recall previous
articles.

>Now, one of the first things I asked here was: Is it there a know cause for
>homosexuality?, which is the same as asking, Is it there a known cause for
>heterosexuality?
>ANd the most popular answer was: Who cares? We are like that and that's all.
>Well, I find that answer mora that unsatisfactory. So, I try to make my own
>research.

I would be curious just what use you'd make of the "answer" to
"what causes homosexuality?".  Think carefully now.  I can't
see wasting lot's of research dollars trying to find an answer
to something which shouldn't need an answer other than "it exists".
If the result of this "research" is that it's genetic, then what?
if it's environment, then what? if it's both, then what?  if
someone simply chooses it, then what?  Are any of these things
reason to not grant GBL people the same rights as others?
(If they're not, then why would you want to spend money to find
an answer to a question, when the answer is useless anyway)
Are you going to insist on research to find out why I'm left-handed?
Think.  Works for me.

>I am heterosexual and I do not know why.

See above - WHO CARES!  Why do you want to spend money to find
out why.

>
>Listen Tim, I just used the books to talk about the Oedipus Complex.
>I did
>not used them to talk about ANY OTHER THING. Can you get that?
>WHy don't you try to see how much of what is attributed to me, is really
>mine, and how much is other people inventions?
>Then, you will realiza how dumb some Gay floks are.

Fine, I'll accept the fact that the thread has gone in different
directions.  From my experience, I've met more super-dense
straight guys than gay guys.

Oh - look, Blue Light Special - Clues are available at 50%
off - better rush to K-Mart now.. :)

-Tim