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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:00:24 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
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Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 18-Nov-92 DC: Superman's
death coverage Canevit@utkvx3.utk.edu (413)

> 	Hey! Could various people out there in net-land summarize
> whatever coverage Superman's death receives in the media? I no
> longer have cable, nor do I get around to reading multiple newspapers.
> I am kind of assuming that this'll get mentioned all over the place:
> Entertainment Tonight, All Things Considered, MTV, etc. Would some-
> body be willing to collect all these summaries and archive them?
> Craig E. Canevit 

The Tonight Show did a little thing about it last night (I'm surprised Dave
didn't do something smart-assy about it). Leno wore the armband while they
saluted Supes with Before and After:

before Superman died:
most heard saying was "This is a job for Superman."

now that Superman has died:
most heard saying is "Hey, anybody seen Clark?"

BSD: green K most deadly thing
NTSHD: green meat at Food Lion most deadly thing

BSD: Superman avoided green Kryptonite
NTSHD: Superman's lying in a crypt tonight.

BSD: Superman would leap from tall buildings
NTSHD: Only Republicans leap from tall buildings.

BSD: Superman's x-ray vision could see through anything.
NTSHD: Lois Lane can stop wearing lead-lined panties and bra.

etc.

It was actually pretty funny.

Leno also did a joke about it in the opening monologue:
Well, Superman is dead. And there's been a lot of speculation that DC
Comics will bring him back because of his pending marraige to Lois Lane.
I think this is the key. See, Superman isn't *really* dead--he just faked
his death and is lying low now because he found out that the Republican
Dirty Tricksters were planning to sabotage the wedding...

--Vernon.
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
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Subject: Sick of the Legion of net.heroes and Gary StollMan??
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:27:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov17.180131.18158@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes...
>In article <1992Nov16.212607.9649@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>It would fly as well as a lead baloon.  For one thing, Gary Stollman is
>very much against fanfic newsgroups if they involve characters copyrighted
>by other people (which is sure to happen in r.a.c.fanfic).

Are you sure it is Gary StollMan, or his clone?
(check alt.alien.visitors for details)

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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:32:50 GMT

>Gee, where would that be? Couldn't be CC by any chance, could it?
>*laughs* THe only problem is that half the speculators *are* 
>parents. I saw so many people in FR on Thursday that I have
>*never* seen in there before, it was ridiculous. A bunch of
>people thinking they are going to college on a issue that's
>printed in the millions, and is now in about half a millino
>hermitically sealed bags as we speak. What a joke.

I used to like Comic Calvacade.  They held comics for me regardless of
how many I orderred (since I didn't buy enough for Fantasy Realm to
consider holding mine) and gave me a good discount.  It seems like
the owner has just lost it in the last few months, though.  Anybody
know what his problem is?

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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: Nigh Invulnerable
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.142532.8800@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>Well, before we go any further on this, I figured I'd rename the thread.  For 
>all of the few posts it's likely to last.... }->
>     I reiterate that only the Tick is "Nigh" Invulnerable.  This is not to say
>that others can't be "Almost" Invulnerable, "Pretty Damn" Invulnerable or 
>"Mostly" Invulnerable.  They just can't be *Nigh* Invulnerable.  That's Tick's 
>power.
Sorry, Dave, but Caliban is *also* *Nigh* Invulnerable.  Said so himself in
a New Mutants issue.  One of the Leifeld.  *ick*

>     Dave Van Domelen, not *even* invulnerable
August Paul Yang continues to steal Dave's .sig style
From: loos@amber.mgh.harvard.edu (William D.B. Loos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Tintin Cronology
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:31:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov23.003211.7594@midway.uchicago.edu>, ied1@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
> 
>In English, the name is "Marlinspike Hall".  The translators tossed
>out any reference to a french name, and chose an arbitrary english-
>sounding name for the house.  Looks like a nice place to live in <sigh>.

I don't believe Marlinspide is arbitrary.  A marlinspike is (or was) some kind
of instrument used by sailors on sailing ships to help splice ropes (they
show up in various Jack London stories).  That could be an appropriate name
for a sea captain's home (wasn't it originally the home of Captain Haddock's
ancestor Sir Francis Haddock?).


William D.B. Loos
loos@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Date: 22 Nov 1992 15:58:49 GMT
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In article <1992Nov22.065902.10647@kpc.com> cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney) writes:
>Am I the only one who would like to see Gaiman write an issue where
>Death meets Superman?  

	According to Neil on GEnie, DC asked if they could use Death in the
"Death" of Superman storyline. 

Neil: "Is he really dead and not coming back?"
DC: "Uh, well, gee. Umm."
Neil: "Then Death wouldn't be there for him."

	It would be interesting to see Superman's dreams, tho.
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From: dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen)
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Subject: Re: Lavender and a nifty .sig
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:02:58 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK


  Speaking as a long-time Marillion fan, Derek William Dick IS Fish

 Dave
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Some Marvel & DC Multiverse ramblings
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Okay, this is my second message (the first one quoting extensively from
the original post). It seems that there are several problems facing any
clear explanation of what is happening.

1) The shoehorning of 'What If' stories into the Marvel Universe.
   The major problem this causes is by providing several timelines in
   which Phoenix is shown to exist, when Excalibur suggests she is
   unique to Earth 616 our timeline. This can be solved by ignoring the
   TimeQuake story by considering it a 'What If' story in itself (an
   'Imaginary Tale' if you like).

2) The clash of roles of the TVA and the Captain Britain Corps. I don't
   know enough about the TVA to comment.

3) The fact that the CBC contains no identical or similar Captain Britains
   to our own.

Now, my tendency to explain the whole thing away would be to ignore TimeQuake
and then just treat Dimensional Variants as Temporal Variants whose history
deviated from ours so early on (ie during or soon after the Big Bang (side
question - has the Creation of the Multiverse ever been shown and expanded
upon by Marvel as it has by DC?)) that their physical laws are different
from ours. This solves the whole problem.

My main problem with the way alternate timelines (and the whole time travel
issue) is handles is that it is way too easy to actually cross timelines
when travelling backwards in time. For example, when Rachel travelled
backwards in time, it would make sense for her to travel back to a point
before her timeline and ours diverged, and thus cause her existence in the
new timeline (which may actually have diverged at the point she returned to
*if* she was known not to have returned back in time to that point 
in her original timeline. But for her to actually randomly jump across
timelines (which she did, as ours and hers diverged *before* that point,
sometime at or before Jean Grey became the original Phoenix) just doesn't
make sense to me. Or at least it didn't until it turned out that Rachel's
mutant power was to cross *between* timelines, but other characters have 
crossed *between* timelines as well I'm sure...this just doesn't make
any kind of 'pseudoscientific' sense to me. It also confuses the hell out
of me.

Oh well, I'm rambling, I'm sure I'll think of more points but I'll insert
them into the discussion later. I'm sure when we learn more about Cable
and Stryfe (both of whom are fairly obviously time-travellers and quite
possibly the same person from different timelines) then a load of new issues
will be raised. Whatever - I'm already starting to feel stupid for spending
so much time thinking and writing about such a silly topic! Still, that's
what happens when you're unemployed I guess...

Mike
timeline.
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:49:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxvzLx.EL3
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hhh. The only thing that could make a North Dakota winter worse than it
normally is is having no snow to go with it. Right now, we're living in
a big, brown, dry freezer. Yuck. Thank goodness for the rac:

In article <lsmith.722044696@hecto> lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie"
Smith) writes (quoting David Goldfarb):

>>	Each issue so far has featured one of the Endless reminiscing
>>about Destruction. Gaiman's been starting with the younger ones, and
>>moving towards the older ones. The brief present-day scene of Destruction
>>in part 3 is in about the right place in the storyline to be Destruction's
>>installment.
>
>Curse me for a novice! I missed this pattern. Do you think it significant 
>that we bypassed Desire? Is the order slightly off? I don't have the issues
>with me, but I thought that Despair recalls the plague years before Delirium
>recalls the meeting with the Prodigal on Earth.

Despair remembers first, in her flashback right at the end of the first
issue... remember, it's right after Desire picks up Del at the nightclub.
Then Del remembers while Dream is kibbitzing with Desire, and, most
recently, we've had Dream musing about Optics.

The order going, basically, 5 - 7 - 3, is at half of the Endless who can
have flashbacks about Destruction. (I rate Despair and Desire tied at #5,
them being twins, and all). With Destruction at #4, that means we either climb
the scale (most likely to #2, since anything Destiny remembers would probably
be *too* important), or we slide down to the other 5, Desire. Or, we get a
personal flashback from Mr. Prodigal, himself.

Well, there. I've decided every possible flashback option is probable. That
should cover my bets.

I'm with the "Desire is too obvious" school of thought, although if the
flashbacks keep on missing it (say, in the next two books), then I'll
start coming around.

My own ObDigression:  while studying up on Brief Lives for Elmo's
annotations, I noticed that on top of the Tori Amos song being sung in the
nightclub, Del herself is mimicing/singing one. Or am I just listening to
too much music when I'm thinking?

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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Delirium's hair
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:34:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: lorax.naam.722122484
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royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:

>I was wondering...

>I recently bought the Sandman Special #1 (it was great, by the way). We get to
>see Delirium with monochromatic hair; she is also white, and she looks older.

>My question is: has she really evolved to become what she is now, or is it 
>because her look was redesigned along her increasing appearances?

I'm fairly confident that the differences in the drawing of Delirium are
*quite* intentional.

--
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:59:04 GMT

lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>In article <By1IrE.30A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:
>>Obviously I have too much free time but:

>You and me both:

>>     1) He's not really dead.  In the issue where he reveals his identity
>>to Lois, it is established that a normal can't feel his pulse.  He colapses
>>after being attacked by the Banshee (not the Marvel one) and Lois thinks
>>he (as Clark) is dead because she can't find a pulse.  Counter-argument:
>>Bloodwynd claims to have scanned him with his powers.  Counter-counter-
>>argument, maybe Superman's forcefield negates said powers.

>Alternative answer: Bloodwynd is in cahoots with Supes. (How much do we 
>really know about Bloodwynd other than he's really The Martian Manhunter?)

What?  Sorry, but I don't read JLA...  Could somebody please bring me
up to speed on Bloodwynd?

Mike
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikEscutia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Darkstars
Date: 14 Nov 1992 04:10:09 GMT
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Anybody notice that the lettercol pages in Darkstars #3 are actually from 
Hawkworld #?? (I don't read the title, so I wouldn't know which ish.)?
Oops?  

Oops.

Other than that, it was a fine issue.
					--MikE

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From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Elektra and Frank Miller ..
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:55:27 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

>>I was wondering:  Does the Elektra character belong to Frank Miller.  I 
>>would not have thought so since she was created in the pages of Daredevil, 
>>but I think most of Miller's work on the character was under Epic, Marvel's 
>>creator-owned line of books.  What's the scoop?

>I think most of the Electra stories were under plain old
>Marvel, not Epic. `Electra Lives Again' was under the
>Epic imprint I think. As for the `owner' of Electra, that
>would be Marvel.

I believe WAYNE is referring to the "ELEKTRA: Assasin" series by Frank
Miller and Bill Seinkewicz (sp?) that was indeed Epic (unless my memory
is evaporating in a pool of Lemon Curry).

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
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Subject: Re: Opinions about _The Spectre_
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:16:56 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.163946.62132@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
>has always produced solid monthly stories.  Unfortunately, Ostrander seems to
>have trouble getting sales and keeping his books.  I hope this one fairs

	It's not just Ostrander's fault.  DC has NEVER given his books 
(Suicide Squad and Manhunter, ferinstance) a tenth of the publicity that
they give to projects like Titans and Lobo.  If DC would promote it, it
would sell.  By the time they try stuff (note the appearances of Batman 
and Superman near the end), the consistant sales are not enough.

	Oh well, it's not as bad as it could be.  They give his stuff the 
same chance they gave JSA....
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:38:55 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Superman should die!!!

>     I have not spent alot of time reading how people have reacted to DC's
>decision to kill off Superman.  So I might be repeating someone
somewhere else. 
>I work at Oakleaf Comics here in Cedar Falls, Iowa, and as expected,
Friday and
>Saturday was a zoo.  I would estimate that 80-90% of the people who came in to
>our store that day had never been in before.
>     DC has created the biggest plublicity stunt in the history of comic books
>and I cannot see anyone ever topping this.  But think of the
repercussions.  So
>many people came to buy a comic book, something they have not done since they
>were a kid.  And I would guess that about half of them will actually read it,
>and hopefully enjoy the book.  If they do they may continue to come back and
>buy more books.  This could improve the image of comics in gereral and erase
>the notion that comics are just for kids.
>     So all of you who think this is the dumbest thing ever to happen, because
>we all know they will bring him back, this could change the industry in a
>positive way.  So please don't whine about this just being a stunt.  It is the
>best thing that could have happened to the industry.
> 
>Think about it.
>Jason

Two problems with your theory. First, the comic's in a plastic bag, and
opening it will destroy its collector value. Therefore, most of the
copies sold in that format will never be read. Second, the storyline and
art were *absymal*. Thc chance of this creatively bankrupt storyline
improving the image of comics are virtually nil, especially since they
used a character everyone *knows* is going to be resurrected. I think
the press coverage has shown that few people outside of the comics world
are going to take this seriously, or develop newfound respect for comics
from this. All it's going to do is make a few short-term speculators and
a couple of bean counters at DC happy for about six months.




Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four Spin off?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:46:29 GMT
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In <2dF=m4+@engin.umich.edu> aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan) writes:


+>I just read something in the RACM postings about Marvel coming
+>out with a new FF series?  Is this just a 2099 thing or a regular
+>series?  If someone could either post or send me the info I would
+>greatly appreciate it.

	It will be called Fourstrike and will be written by Tom Defalco.
The premise is going to be that the "old" fantasic four get banished to
the negative zone for bothering Galactus and that a group of ordinary people that
the old four donated blood to long ago is going to have the powers of the four
transferred to them.
	The "new" four will then all lose their jobs, get thrown out by 
their families/SO's and move into the old Four's abandoned HQ.

	After all sorts of adventures, the "new" four rescue the old four
from the negative zone.  It will turn out that Galactus was weak from 
hunger and allowed Dr. Doom to take over his mind for a little while.
	The "old" four will then give their uniforms and their HQ to
the new four....then go off into space for a new series of adventures
in their old book while "Fourstrike" stays on earth. 

	It could happen.....
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:57:43 GMT

In article <6cXJ038zbcs200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>Before Superman died:
>People said, "Look, up in the sky!  It's a bird!  It's a plane! It's
>Superman!"
>
>After Superman died:
>It's pretty much narrowed down to bird or plane.

Nah, it could be a frog.

Or neither bird nor plane nor even frog, just li'l ol' me, Underdog.

"At last! After all these years of vainly trying, I've finally succeeded in
killing Superman! I've destroyed the mightiest man in the universe! What a
glorious achievement!"  --Lex Luthor, the "real" Death of Superman
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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