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From: amojahed@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Words of Persian Origin
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:39:06 GMT

Hello my dearest compatriots,
	Just the other day I was reading a book about the origin of words in
the English language when I discovered that quite a few words that we have
taken for granted to be english (or perhaps even of french, russian or arabic
origin), are indeed persian (farsi).
	Finding it very interesting, I decided to share this with you.

CLASSICAL GROUP:
aryan		asparagus		cinnabar		cypress
margarine	marguerite		musk			myrtle
naphta		narcotic		paradise		peach
peacock		pistachio		rice			rose
saccharine	tape			tapestry       		tiger

MEDIEVAL GROUP:
algorism	arsenic			azure			borax
candy		check			checker			chess
exchequer	julep			lemon			lilac
lime		mummy			nenuphar		orange
rob		scarlet			sebestan		spinach
sugar		tartar

MODERN GROUP:
baksheesh	bazaar			bund			calendar
caravanserai	crimson			cushy			dervish
dhow		gul(gol)		indigo			jackal
jargon		jasmin			jungle			khaki
khan		kiosk			must(mast)		pashm
pyjamas		rook			sash			shah
shawl		tulip			turban			van
veranda

	I always thought tulip to be french, mummy to be arabic, saccharine to
be russian and chess to be of chinese origin, but then again....
	It seems like our language has been influencing others' since at least
2000 years ago!
	I remember (back in '77 it must've been) when I met an older german
couple near Forstheim in W.Germany, and the topic of our conversation being
history, the gentleman said to me: "I know that when you people had an empire
spreading from India to Macedonia and from Siberia to Egypt, we were cavemen
living in ignorance"!
	But I also remember Mr.Helmut Schmitt saying: "We've been shystered by
a bunch of savage Iranians"!
	Now, please don't take me to be a royalist or even imperialist by any
means, I am merely pointing out moments in our history when peoples of the
world have looked up at us as their saviors and other times when...,oh well,
MAIS C'EST LA VIE MES AMIS.
    		SEASON'S GREETINGS & HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Re; emtehAneh rAnandegi #1.... /sci/pos  [sci-poster]
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:29:34 GMT

saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

       [...]

 => Mr. Rajavi said: Let the world know that the mullahs are on their way
 => out and will definitely be overthrown,...    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think Mr. Rajavi's tongue must have grown hair by now. He has been
repeating the above statement for 13+ years.

    --mack
From: bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Lighter side of Mojahedin, Part: 2
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:59:20 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp


> 
> I thank you for using a document to make your argument.
> However, you incorrectly equated destroy with "EnhelAl". 
 
I call it "destroy", you call it "ghelghelak", "navAzesh" or simply "x".
The fact is my friend that the word we use has no comfort  for the famillies
of thousands of "executed" men and women. Words here are of no importance 
at all.

> The shah's army was not designed to protect Iranian people much
> the same that Khomanies Pasdaran are not set up to protect
> Iran or its people. You can bet that one of the first thing
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
> that Mojahedin will do after the revolution is the EnhelAl
> Pasdaran, KoMeTeh, BaSeij, and even Army.

I don't have to bet ..I know ! I have seen it already !
Thata's exactly what I am afraid of ! Waves after waves of more executions
in order to create an army that could be "trusted" ..We have seen it first    
hand. Also we have seen wave after wave of "congradulation" letters by your
beloved Mojahde Kabir Jr, Mr. Rajavi to Mojahede Kabir Sr. Khomeini.

> However, it does not mean that anybody with a uniform will be dragged out and
> shot. 

Of course not ! 15-20,000 will do, give or take 5000 !!

> it does not even mean that the equipment will be
> destroyed. 

Thanks for clearing this, because I really thought you guys would try 
to "execute" a M-7 Tank (!) for the "anti-revolutionary" crime of 
"being purchased by the wrong side" ! ..But come to think of it, I would
not be surprised if Mr. Rajavi comes up with this idea !

> It means that the structure of the new army has
> to conform with a democratic government. It has to be
> designed to protect Iranian people and not the government
> from its people. I hope you can see the difference.
> 

Now honestly ..have you shared these "democratic" point of views with
US senators and Mr. Clinton when you were chasing them around to get 
their signatures ? Or these point of views are all reserved for us Iranians ?

Enquiry minds want to know !

> - Asghar
> 


			- Behnam
From: menhaj@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Relationships [sci-poster]
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:06:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.1992Dec11.170642.1
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center

In article <lhqln9INNkul@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, Pardis Mostofi <casipit@ee.utah.edu> writes:
> 
> 
> Thanks to Mr. Shahrokh Mortazavi, I can now post to SCI.  I have been
> reading SCI for the past 6 months with much interest, but wasn't able
> to participate in any of the discussions.
> 
> On the subject of American girlfriends, it seems to me like many
> Iranian men prefer to date American women, because the relationship
> with an American woman can get physical more quickly than with an
> Iranian woman.  What do others think?  Men, is this true?  Are you
> attracted to American women (or western in general) just to satisfy
> your sexual urge?  Or is it otherwise?
> 
> I also wish to discuss the flip side of this issue, American
> boyfriends.  I have dated quite a few American men.  They have been
> mostly very nice, but they do not satisfy my emotional needs like
> Iranian men do.  I personally prefer to date an Iranian.
> 
> Do others have similar experiences?
> 
> Smile,
> Pardis.
> 
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 13:20:37 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: EE PROGRAM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIV.

CAN ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH EE PROGRAM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY TELL
ME ABOUT THEIR RESEARCH WORK IN VLSI AREA?
DO THEY DO TESTING OF VLSI CIRCUITS? TEST GENERATORS?. ALGORITHMS
FOR FAULT TOLERANCE TESTING OF VLSI,....
YOUR INFOR IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Resistance's representatives meet President-elect Clinton
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:21:30 GMT

mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>Asghar Joon writes:

>>Last Tuesday, representatives from the Iranian resistance
>>lead by Mr. Mohammad Mohadesin (Mojahedin's Secretary of
>>International affair) were invited and attended the meeting
>>of the leadership committee (I translated this from Farsi,
>>so it may have a different name) of the Democratic party which
>>was held in the honor of President-elect Bill Clinton and
>>his vice president Albert Gore. In this meeting various
>>members of U.S. Senate, House, members of transition team as
>>well as other key members of Democratic party participated. 
>>
>>The representatives of Iranian resistance met and talked
>>with the President-elect Bill Clinton, the Vice-president
>>Albert Gore, their wives, some members of Senate (i.e.
>>Senators Sam Nunn, Richard Gephart, Kennedy ...) and others.
>>President-elect re-affirmed his commitment to the human
>>rights in Iran. Richard Gephart praised the heroic effort of
>>the Mojahedin for the peace and freedom in Iran. The meeting
>>lasted for 5 hours.
>>
>>Asghar


>We still have not got over the fact sheet on MKO was given by 
>Rep. Lee Hamilton and U.S. State Dept.

Well, I am afraid you have to some how get over with it because
it soon will become a "history"cal document. My suggestion is
that you should get a copy of the congressional record, frame
it, and hang it in your room. A warning however: it is possible
that if you get a hold of the Congressional Record, God forbid,
you may see Dr. Massoud Banisadr's *DETAILED*, *DOCUMENTED*,
rebutal to the State Department baseless claims and your 
conscience may be touched.

One more comment: you are a bit late in your joyous moments
with the Fact Sheet; when it was orginally released in 1986,
the SAVAKIs and remnants of the dictator Pahlavi regime had
an exuberant time of their own. However, their cheerful
moments was short lived when it was revealed (during the
CIA-Khomeini-Contra-Israel hearings) that the Fact Sheet was
part of the deals between the Khomeini regime and Col. North
and other CIA/Israeli officials.

>Just another thought but not so deeeep.

Admittedly, this thought is not as representative of the depth
of your personality as the other one. Good try, however.

>Amir

Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:10950 soc.culture.pakistan:18297
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Muslims - First Line Of Action
Keywords: Hope many other Indians come out of the closet....
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:35:16 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


		TO ALL PAKIS
			
   Abey ,
	
	You Pakistanis ! This is a warning to you all.
	Keep your fucking nose out of India's internal
	business . You wanted a separate land for yourself
	,you have been given that . What the fuck is your 
	problem now ! You know what , we Indians don't
	care what you bastards say . You guys have been
	brought up by your fucking country to hate
	India and Hindus . But you know, I repeat ,
	we Indians don't care what you say .

		Think of 1971 when your country was
	fucked out of shape , it was divided into
	pieces .(Bechara Pakistan ) I really pity
	you guys .(Sharam ki baat to yeh hai ki tum
	logon ko abi tak akal nahin aayee)

		One of my dear pakistani friends
	warned me that sometime in future all the
	muslim would unite and destroy all the non-muslim
	countries .
		You know what my reaction was ?

		HA  HA  HA !!!!
		HO  HO  HO !!!!
		HI  HI  HI !!!!
	
	I think you guys aren't aware of the fact that
	the muslim community represents most underdeveloped
	section of world . Everyone outside hates your 
	community .The best part is that even these muslim
	countries are not united . 

	Iran & Iraq fucked each other for eight years .
	Where was your OIC that time ??

	Hey ! you guys

		Don't poke your nose into Kashmir and Punjab .
		You might have to pay very high price for that.
		(Kashmir ki laalach me zindagi bhar chillate
		rahoge , kuch milne wala to hai nahin )
		Better give up and be happy with whatever
		Kashmiri wasteland you have got . Understand!


		HAQUIKAT KO PEHCHAAN AUR RAM KA NAM LE

		bol mere saath :

				JAI SRI RAM
				JAI SRI KRISHNA
				HAR HAR MAHADEV

				HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD !!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: kheet culture! [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:42:18 GMT

Amoo Joon writes:
|> 
|>our time and energy to "kheet" someone, most of the time a member of the
|>opposing ideology/sex/religion. And of course when someone tries to state a
|>different opinion we turn to "kheet" him/her by donating a label such as
|>"socially correct" or "politically correct", etc.  Let me confess that amoo is

|> [most of amoo's article deleted for brevity]


Amoo  I think I understand what you are saying.

But isn't this a normal thing to do almost everywhere?

What I mean is when a radical say it is OK to beat a woman and
Islam supports it.  How can we answer him without "kheeting" him/her?
Especialy when they have no manners and they do not understand
a normal communication.

If trying to contardicting an statment that can embarass a culture
or a society then I do not think "kheet kardan" is bad.

I maybe wrong but some of our ahAlees here do deserve to be "kheet".


Farhad
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran expresses fears about U.S. intentions in Somalia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:00:32 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran expressed fears Wednesday that the United
States may use the U.N. military initiative in the Horn of Africa to
extend its influence in the region and install a puppet regime in
Somalia before the U.S. troops pull out.
	Tehran radio said in a commentary that U.S. aims in sending some 28,
000 troops to Somalia ``go behond the humanitarian,'' and that
Washington would use the U.N. initiative ``to extend U.S. influence in
the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea.''
	The commentary, monitored in Athens, came as the first units of U.S.
Marines were landing in Mogadishu. It said once the United States
established a foothold in Somalia, it would use it to carry out
surveillance of crude oil routes to the West.
	Brushing aside President George Bush's calculations that the U.S.-led
operations in Somalia could be over by Jan. 20, the day President-elect
Bill Clinton is inaugurated, the Iranian radio said ``experience in the
Persian Gulf casts doubt'' on this.
	``Before the U.S. attack on Iraq, Bush said U.S. forces would leave
the waters of the Persian Gulf'' when Operation Desert Storm was over,
but ``after the war ended, the United States strengthened its position
in the area,'' the commentary said.
	Security Council Resolution 794, authorizing the U.N. military
initiative in Somalia, ``simply gives a stamp of approval to U.S.
objectives in the Horn of Africa,'' it said. ``It is possible that with
U.S. support, a puppet regime will be installed in Somalia'' and 
``become a threat to the countries of the region.''
	The commentary came amid reports from Cairo that Iran was funding the
import and training of Islamic radicals in Sudan to carry out acts of
terrorism in Egypt.
	Egyptian Defense Minister Gen. Hussein Tantawi was quoted as saying
Cairo had information that 25 Iranian-funded training camps had been set
up in Sudan to train Islamic radicals for attacks in neighboring
countries, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia.


"Copyright 1992 by <UPI/Newsbytes>
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Resturan In Chicago
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tabiei@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>Salam every body
>I want to go to chicago next week.
>Can any body give me an address of the best Iranian
>resturan there. mamnon.
>Ala Tabiei
>tabiei@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

Reza's Restuarant in Clark St. (close to Foster St.)
is the better one.
It also has very reasonable prices.

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca (Navid Badie)
Subject: Re: A humble response to Mojahedins
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:44:03 GMT

bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor) writes:
: 
: And assuming that you are correct, please explain to us ignorant students
: of history, the "thing" that Iran's army was created to protect ?

Well, I do not pretend to be trying to explain anything to anyone,
or to know who is ignorant and who is knowledgeable. However, if you allow
me to butt in to your dialogue, I will offer an opinion.

Here is the opinion (from here to the end of the article):

The army of the Shah was created, maintained and continually expanded
to protect the Monarchy in Iran, specifically the rule of the
Pahlavi dynasty. It is, of course, a side effect of this intention
that there must be an "Iran" in order for there to be an "Iranian
Monarchy". But, again in my opinion, it was just a side effect, not
*the* purpose of the Shah's army. That is why I feel I am justified
in calling it the Shah's army and not the Iranian army. Further, the
army had another role, namely the infamous role of "gendarme of the region",
i.e. to defend the interests of the U.S. in the region, not necessarily
those of Iran.  That is why the army was by far the largest and best 
equipped in the region, and why it was over equipped compared to the 
defensive needs of Iran.

Whenever there is a revolution, the revolution tries to protect itself
by reorganizing the armed forces, first and foremost by removing from
power those who were sympathetic to the old regime. This is part of
"revolution 101", so to speak, and it is, again in my opinion, justifiable.
I believe it follows from the above statement that following any
revolution, the country will be vulnerable to foreign attack. If you
are saying that the restructuring of the army was mishandled, then
we can discuss that. But if your idea is that the army should have
been left untouched to "protect" Iran, then I for one cannot agree
with you at all.

Please note that I am in no way trying to justify the summary trials
and executions of army officers. I believe, as you do, in due process,
in the right of the defendents to have lawyers, open and fair trials, 
access to the necessary documents for their defence, access to an appeals 
process, and in short, access to justice. 

: 
: 				- Behnam
: 

The only "fact" that I presented above is in my reference to the
over-equipment of the Shah's army. If you wish to see references
for that, I will try to get some. But I cannot promise you that
I will find them. You are, of course, welcome to dispute my "fact"
by providing your "facts" and references.

Cheers,
--Navid
nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again
Organization: VezArateh Addliyyeh 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:45:37 GMT

In article <saied.724451152@cwis> 
saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
> 
>The Leader of the Iranian Resistance added: Through their extensive,
>nationwide demonstrations and protests, the people of Iran have
>  
<mojahed hoopla deleted>


I can't help but remember this slogan from the streets
of Tehran during the revolution:

salatanateh vali-ahd mohAleh,
sageh zard barAdareh shoghAleh.


Aref



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Salman Rushdie)
Subject: Re: Women's pos. & Ben Mahjoor
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.010551.21056@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>In article <8kewVB1w165w@halcyon.com> satan <satan666@halcyon.com> writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>> So next time you claim "It's not fair that we blame IRI goverment", I ask
>>> that you review the meaning of fairness, and answer to yourself the question,
>>> "Haven't the Iranian people been fair to the IRI regime long enough?"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Agha Javad
>
>
>> Hey lejan! How's SCI's biggest namard hanging? So you thought you could     
>>get rid of me. Huh? Punk? Telling by this little piece of khak that got
>>your mom to write it's still evident that your a traitor to Iranians all 
>>over the world. I was reading how you and the rest of your jendahs,
>>
>>especially the little taki Paki, conspired to try to get rid of me! Now
>>that I failed my Fortran class because I couldn't compile any of my 
>>programs, because I didn't have my account anymore, I am mad as hell! So 
>>Khanem Javad goodbye and will meet again because I found out how to write 
>>on SCI by going through a few backdoors.
>>
>>Satan.
>
>So what's your point?

Baba the boy failed his Fortran class. Why are you so del sard. I for one feel 
for him. Wait a minute.... Never mind it was just wind. Forget I said anything. Aslan dandet narm, insha allah baghiyeyeh course-hatam fail mikoni, ta adam 
beshi.

A concerned individual.
-- 
Salman Rushdie

"And I brought unto thee these Satanic Verses to quench thy thurst for truth in the form of fantacy. So go forth and live free."
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Saint of Gilan (1)
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:33:19 GMT

In <1992Dec13.105344.788@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:



>                         SAINT OF GILAN (1)
>                         ------------------

>   Shaikh Abdul Qadir Gilani was born in Naif, in the District
>of Gilan, in Persia, in the month of Ramadan in the year 470 A.H.
>[1077 A.D.]. He is a direct descendent of both Imam Husain

Wrong historical account.  Gilan was a district of Tabaristan, which
included Gilan, Mazandran, and even northern part of current Tehran,
ie. Shamiran.

                     With highest regards,
                          Babak   Sehari.

-- 
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