From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Albanians and Pseudo-Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:56:19 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>Panos Tamamidis  (ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
>>I remember that some weeks ago there was a dispute in this group about the
>>position of the Albanian minority regarding the recognition of ex-Yugoslavia's
>>Socialist Republic of Macedonia with the name Republic of Macedonia. One
>>person from Sweden kept saying that there were no objections of the Albanian
>>minority about the name, and all was just a Greek propaganda.

>Actually, I didn't exactly say that there was no objections, I only
>questioned the claim that there was, as I've read nothing of the
>kind except in Usenet articles from Greek posters, who didn't
>provide any references.

 You said that this was "Greek propaganda."

>>Well, today I was watching a British video about the Macedonian issue.
>>Several Albanian leaders were interviewed.  I remember some names that could
>>be useful: Mr. V. Nemisi, and Mr. Nevzat Halili.  The second person also
>>claimed that the Albanian minority could be the majority in that state, and
>>it is at least 40% of the population.  He also said that even if their data
>>(i.e. the state's data) are correct, the Albanians with their high number
>>of births will soon be a majority in this state.

>And? The purported Albanian objection to the Macedonian name remains
>challenged.
 
 Well, perhaps I was not clear.  They clearly said the following:
 "We object to the recognition of the Republic of Macedonia."
 This should be very clear now.

 And you should realize the following: the Albanians also have strong
 objections to the recognition of this state even if it would change
 its name.  Mr. Nevzat Halili clearly said that he does not believe that
 the Albanians are the 40% of the population, as the state claims.  He
 thinks they are more than 40%, (he said that they could even be more than
 50%), and that in a few years they are definetly going to be the majority.
 Although they are supposed to be 40%, they are actually not allowed to
 contribute to any matter (e.g. military).  He concluded that their rights
 are not fully recognized in this state.

 Note that one of the three conditions for the recognition of this state by
 the EC is the full respect of the rights of the Albanian minority (if the
 40% could even be a minority ...).

>>There was also an interview of Prof. Dimitar Gochev from a Univ. located
>>in Sofia.  Prof. Gochev said that there is not any evidence which suggests
>>that these people (pseudo-Macedonians, that is) are not Bulgarians.

>There is one very good evidence: they say that they are not Bulgarians.

 Which again supports my claims that these people are "brainwashed."
 When there are numerous historical facts that there is no Macedonian
 nation, and that these people are Bulgarians, I think you should stop
 ridiculing yourself with the above statement.

 You should have the courage to admit that this Macedonian issue is a result
 of the communist Tito, who used the name after WWII, with only one
 objective: to annex northern part of Greece, which rightfully bears the
 name Macedonia for 4,000 years.

>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

 Panos Tamamidis
 A Macedonian from Macedonia
 MACEDONIA IS GREEK
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