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From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Places to go (Was Re: Environment - 
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:50:44 GMT

In article <10292276.84326.18803@kcbbs.gen.nz> Ming_Lim@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ming Lim) writes:
>  
>I think you will be very much disgusted if you go to the Setapak Hot  
>Springs. Some Japs or some body have built some kind of condo around it  
>spoiling the entire place.  

Urrrggg  you have said something not PC  8). 

>Incidently, Blue Lagoon in Port Dickson used to be a fantastic place to  
>have a day off, Beautiful blue calm water with Weeping willow trees all  
>along the beach. I went there some 3 years ago, some joker cut down all  
>the trees and built a condo terrace along the beach, that place is  
>terrible now. That blueish water is gone replace with a dirty dish water  
>look to it. That place is pretty stuffed now. Now I used to at Templer's  
>park, or what ever they are calling it nowadays, clean water etc, now  
>rubbish every where It is really sad to see all these place going to  
>shits.  

I cannot agree with you more. The problem is more and more people are
learning to enjoy these natural beauties but unfortunately they are
not civic enough to also keep the place clean..while they can visit
them free. Wait till the developers comes along and you will be charge
a fees for enjoying them. 

-Mann
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:26:49 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep30.135050.3937@iti.gov.sg>, hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong (Sch 10/92)) writes:

> II. WEST MALAYSIA
> 
> Massive power failure hits West Malaysia
> ----------------------------------------
> A massive power failure hit most parts of Peninsular Malaysia yesterday
> after lightning damaged the Telok Kalong sub-station at Kemaman in
> Terengganu.
> 
	maybe this is the ploy of the Mahatir's government to increase the
population so as to reach the target of 30 million (?) by 2020.  :).


Jack Teh



> 
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From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:58:08 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
: I too respect other peoples culture and opinions when they are worthy
: of respect.  I have been to Singapore and I didn't think much of it
: at all - it seemed to me to be a country in which people were unreasonably
: controlled and it is hardly a democracy, is it?
: 
: Strangely, I see no evidence in your reply to me of any respect for other
: peoples opinions, or do you only respect them when they happen to coincide
: with your own?
: 
: Laurence

With due respect Godfrey, I think what you have said about Singapore is
bull! An individual's opinion is that of just one person's; there are
others who thinks that Singapore is a great country, including many
Englishmen(women).

As to democracy, there is no universal meaning to this word. The American
have one definition for it, the British have another. So why not
Singapore? Your muleheadedness on defining democracy your own way is
denying others of giving their definition of it. This itself is
undemocratic, don't you agree? 

Singapore is a fine country in her own right, if you disagree, that's
that! There are others who would!!!.

n'toni
National University of Singapore
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Date: 26 Sep 92 01:46:13 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep26.034516.4250@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, tenka@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Andy Tenka) writes:

> experts of the net.  By the way, to the person who believes that Singapore
> could take Johor in a surprise attack, wouldn't you also think that Malaysia
> could take Singapore in a surprise attack also?

Hi,
	That would be me, I believe.  But if you reread my followups again, you
will note that I said that they could take *A PART* of Johor, not the whole
thing.  I suppose I should have been clearer on that.  I also didn't think
they will be able to hold on to it.  Of course that is just my opinion. 
Remember, there is at least one army camp (Kluang) in Johor just far north     
enough that Singapore won't be able to take it.
	Regarding your question, no, I don't think Malaysia can take Singapore
in a surprise attack.  In an attack you will need troops.  Think about the
racial composition of the army personnel in Singapore and Malaysia.  Imagine
them smuggling themselves into the "enemy" state.  Which would be easier to
accomplish?  I highly doubt if either side will attempt to invade via the
crossway.  Might get stuck in a traffic jam... :) :)  And I don't think we have
enough of those amphibious vehicles.
	Secondly, there's the population to consider.  Remember, most males in
Singapore know at least basic hand to hand combat, and have had at least 1.5
years of combat training.  Can you say the same thing about the M'sian
population?  Hard to invade when the population can fight back effectively. 
And remember, this is the "thing" that they have been training for.
	Of course, I do think that both the army strategists know of these
already, and have work around methods, in case the need arises...  (NOTE: I am
*NOT* advocating war, I am just saying I think they are prepared!)
	Ciao.

-Tai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Re: Beg to defer....Mig29 & Mig25
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:41:56 GMT

sa1726199@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg wrote:
: high speeds flying at a straight line above 30 or 40,000 feet. The SR-71 is now
: out of service, because of one common sense reason - no matter how fast any
: plane can fly, they can always built an air-to-air missile that's always
: faster. That's why the emphasis nowadays is on stealthiness and avionics.
: That's why most of the new planes fly at around Mach 2 or less. Eg. the F117A
: is quite slow, it isn't even supersonic, nor is it meant to, cos flying
: supersonic allows IR (infra-red) trackers to spot you.
:
Excuse me, but I beleive the reason for the withdrawal of the SR-71 from
service is due to the fact that present satellite rendered it to
expensive to operate and maintain.
As to building air-to-air missiles to intercept these really high
filers, I believe that not one interceptors have to capablility to do
that.
From: andyckh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Angela Siaw Hoon Kueh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: TH WONG, RECIEVED MAIL
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:38:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Oi!Nothing else better to do,ah? Can't you write something informative?
Your Other Housemate And Her Twin Bro'
From: kc@ee.umr.edu (Kok Ching Ong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
<stuff about toilet fines and toilet training deleted>
>	theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
>	soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              
>
>	i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 
>
>
>kpurang

Are you sure that the WHOLE population pee in the streets?  If so, it seems
that 1/2 of the population won't have the so called "willies".  :) :)


-- 
Kok-Ching Ong                   | Disclaimer : the usual
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Bitnet  : s098621@umrvma        |
             ... to seek peace and contentment.
From: mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (Maszeri Maiseh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Summary: gula melaka
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.131203.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.085123.16546@bnr.uk>, bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
> > I enjoyed the listing on food. Made me VERY homesick though. The best
> > cendol ever though must be from K.P (Kuala Pilah) where this mamak makes
> > his own cendol (chunky, tasty stuff) and uses gula anau instead of the weak
> > gula Melaka.
> Weak gula Melaka, WEAK GULA MELAKA, Do you know that in some states
> in Malaysia (like Melaka) you could be shot for saying that!
> Please,I think gula Melaka is great! (guess where I'm from 8-).
> Anyway could somebody out there tell me if its possible to make
> lemang without the bamboo?  Surely it's not just 'Pulut' and 
> coconut milk cooked under pressure????
> Ian
> > 
<stuffs deleted>
> -- 
>  Internet: TSUANIAN@cc.curtin.edu.au
>  Bitnet: TSUANIAN%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet
>  UUCP  : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!TSUANIAN

I'm 100% agree with you Ian, be shot is too much, how abt 'kena daulat'
then she will know how great it is...

since 1400..people in Melaka never complain about gula melaka or even
thinking to create a new one..then somebody in 20th C trying to condem it.
let me give you my thought about this...... something is maybe good 
to one thing, and maybe bad to another thing...so, don't too 
fast making a general idea here ..okay...!!

I think 90% people in this net know about dodol....you know, it will 
never be dodol without gula melaka....

-mazri

--
 "FOR YOU IT IS GREAT...BUT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE IT IS_______"
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Sabah
Summary: Sabah
Keywords: sabah
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:42:30 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

Anybody from Sabah here?
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: NOT!! (Was Re: New newsgroup for the military diehards?)
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:31:39 GMT


In a previous article, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu () says:

[munchety-munch] - SO SUE ME.

>> Since I was the one who started the f-o-o-d thread, I guess you must be
>> referring to me. My respond is why don't you start a new thread on your own
>> instead of trying to get your name in here by "living off other people's
>> acticles"???
>
>	Hey, don't get uppity up up here man, as PT Barnum once said, every one
>has 15 minutes of fame.  By posting too much, you may have already used up your
>15 minutes...  Becareful.  You don't know who's the one taking count... :) :) 
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oooooooo...like I'm sooo scared of the self-appointed net-police. Ooooo......


>And why do you have this fetish for the amount of articles posted here?  Look
>at all the oldies here, no one keeps count <let's see now, x amount of
>followups plus original postings and a factor for the number of followups
>generated... hmmm, I think I beat ATAN....> *-) *-)

Now, now...we all know that quantity ain't spelt the same way as quality, no?
And like I care who has the most number of postings. 

>> 
>>>How about stuff like social issues? Like how in this part of the world are 
>>>liberal views taken? Are we still as conservative as the Westerners see
>>>us? etc....
>> 
>> Pleeeaseee...two sentences and you expect a follow-up discussion???
>> 
>	Well, he already got two from me, and one from you... :) :)  Besides,
>it's three lines (OK, just barely, but... :))
>
>> 
>>>Food....Mig29s...F16s..... :D
>> 
>> Net parasites...  :D
>
>	Net copy-cats *-P  Ciao.
>
>-Tai
>ps:  yo ATAN, try {chewies} instead... :) :)
>

Empty net-vessels |-/

ATAN

ps: yo Ah Tai, sue me, ya?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ktan@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS (cpts330))
Subject: TEST
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 06:27:52 GMT

	This is just a Test, please ignore!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hamlin@afit.af.mil (Joe Hamlin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysia: Dates for Hari Raya and Chinese New Year?
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:48:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

We are planning a trip to Malaysia (sometime in the first
quarter of 1993). Could someone supply me with the dates
for Chinese New year and Hari Raya?

Thank you,
Joe Hamlin
From: tva@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: LOOKING FOR:CHUA SIEW LEE(MALAYSIAN)
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:26:55 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: No news is good news????
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:05:09 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya y'll,
	Here's some stuff I heard while I was back home.  The first one was,
those traffic offenders, I mean the ones with lotsa lotsa nice "samans" who
never paid up, were visited by our friendly boys in blue.  In the middle of the
night.  "Mr Lee?"  "Yes?"  "We insist that you sample our hospitality at our
club house."  Some 20 plus people tested the accomadations, most were in their
pyjamas.
	Seems that one day after that news was published, lotsa people turned
up at the MPPJ and DBKL to pay their fines.  I wonder if that's related to the
above incident... :) :)
	The next one is better (for non-smokers anyway).  It seems that the
govt is taking a stand against smoking ads (again).  No more cigarette ads
after the end of the year.  Also, remember all those cigarette flyaway tours? 
Seems that Anwar (I think) found out that there is no tours.  Ie, those
cigarette companies were faking the ads.  The last I heard, action will be
taken under the false advertising act.
	Seems that the govt is also against school children smoking too.  Seems
that if the cops find a schoolkid smoking, he will be asked where he got it
from.  And the cops will then close the whole store, just for selling *ONE*
cigarette to the kid.  If the kid don't tell, he will be charged with another
"wrong" in court.  I like it.
	They are also clamping down on the arcade centers.  Anyone in school
uniform in there...  the whole place closes down.  At last I can get some
decent scores without a little kid coming in and smirking at my scores... :) :)
	Seems that the amount of students smoking increased from 13% (something
like that) in the early 80s to double of it this year and got the Ministry of
Education real worried.
	One thing I don't understand is why does the govt provide subsidies to
the tobacco planters if they are trying to clamp down on smoking?  I think it
would have been better if they provide the subsidies if those tobacco growers
changed from growing tobacco to growing something that we really need.  Like
rice.  The last I heard we are still importing rice, right?  If you provide
subsidies to change their products, we will lessen our imports, which is a good
thing right?  Tho I think our cigarette exports probably outweighs what we get
from the imports...
	Any opinions or updates welcomed.  Ciao.

-Tai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:14:00 GMT

Poor Andy, his queries had never really been answered.
tenka@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Andy Tenka) writes:
: With all due respect to Andrew, I have to point out that I was the first person 
: who brought up the water supply thing into discussions.  At the time, the
: discussion was about how Singapore would defend herself from Malaysia using
: her air superiority, large number of reservists, etc.  I joined the discussion
: by merely asking a simple, honest, legitimate question about how Singapore would
: respond to a water boycott from Malaysia and/or Indonesia.  After all, in case
: of war, Malaysia would not be supplying water to Singapore anymore.

Andy you could be one who have never lived in a tropics with 100 inches of
rain per year.
	asean is not a desert. Water is no big problem as long as  you just
want drinking water.
	In case of draught that may last 3 months, the reserve lake at McRichie
(?) may be sufficient to feed Singaporeans. I remember when I was in Sempurna
without any consumable water, we depend on rain water for our cooking and
drinking water. We have large drums to store the water.

It is just as excuse by these young Singaporeans to justify their hard
national service in offensive operations in the jungle to secure their
water source so that they can wash their cars, have shower baths, swimming
pools and call these as basic necessities.

Maybe I should start another thread called:
War: Malaysia vs Singapore

: 
: My question was primarily directed to the people who had claimed that they were
: more knowledgable than others on military strategy stuff.  So, once again, how 
: would Singapore defend herself if Malaysia cut-off the water supply, and then 
: launch an attack against Singapore.  Tell me, tell me, oh great strategic 
: experts of the net.  By the way, to the person who believes that Singapore
Obviously you only have raw soldiers in the net despite having gone through
their resevist. THEy should be taught about strategies and how to think rather
than raw physical exercises.

: could take Johor in a surprise attack, wouldn't you also think that Malaysia
: could take Singapore in a surprise attack also?

	I'm sure the military commands of both countries had known about
all the possibilities, it is just these "hot blooded young Singaporeans",
who had been left ignorant.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: jennifer@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking for Kathryn S Quick
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:01:46 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I am looking for my sister, Kathy S Quick, who lives and works in Jakarta, 
Indonesia.  I have tried e-mail to her but have been unable to get 
through.  She works for WALHI, an environmental non-government 
organization in Jakarta.  Please send me any information available about 
e-mailing to jakarta.
Terima kasih/  
Thanks in advance
Jennifer D. Quick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:49:13 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Oct1.022345.5325@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>: If the switch-gear could just short-circuit and cause a major fire,
>: then it is time PUB review all it's switch-gears and upgrade. 
>Any ideas of any that can also respond in 10pico second for 1000 million amps.

I think the new range of GIS (Gas Insulated Switchgear) from ABB 
can take a 500MW 220KV bus off within one cycle - fast enough to 
prevent fires.  The way they test this is to place an artificial
short circuit across transmission lines and let the circuit
breaker trip.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | The gunners: league
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup for the military diehards?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: (see Summary)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.220531.25973@news.iastate.edu> ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) writes:
>I've been reading s.c.a. and have been totally annoyed ..well....more like 
>irritated that there have been so many postings about Mig29s and F16s.
[....]

Oh well, that is just one of the many threads in this newsgroup.
If you don't like it just ignore it 8). Read other articles or
better still start a new thread yourself.. and not moan over the
lack of interesting topics!  This group can only be as interesting 
as you make it to be and same with whatever you are doing.

-Mann
From: 815rajaomar@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: re: Dr.Mahathir - Heart Failure?!?!?!
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:58:45 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Thank you for the info on Dr. Mahathir. I guessed pretty much about this
"rumor". That's the reason why I needed some help on the "true" story. Thanks
again!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to buy Mig29
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:55:06 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
  

 [ lines deleted]

>	Now we can really tell which one is actually better when Malaysia
>and Singapore do their regular joint Air exercises. Hopefully they can do
>simulated dog fights.
>	I do not know what they do at these air exercises. Do they just 
>do simulated missile attacks and calculate the probability of hits on
>airplanes without taking into account the evasive and ECM measures taken
>by aircrafts?

At such exercises called ADEX-xx, they usually test the air defense radar
and interceptor reaction time, and also SAM accuracy and effectiveness.
The Singapore Air Force seldom activates all SAM units though....

And it's no fun at these exercises in Singapore.. .usually more fun at
Australia.....
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.

Bin Ong
bin-ong@uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong)
Subject: Re: Salaries of Graduates in M'sia
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:52:53 GMT

In article <4900035@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
>To be competitive most companies in the Free Trade Zone, including
>Japanese and Taiwanese companies, pay the same starting pay, M$2k.

What about companies in K.L.? Do they pay as high as those in Penang ?

Thank you..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chansze@ecf.toronto.edu (CHAN Sze Keong)
Subject: some help on Malaysia economy
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:48:11 GMT


hi, just to further the last thread on salaries in Malaysia. i would
like to get some facts/opinions about the current/future state
of Malaysia's economy.

let me start, the salary one can get is important but just as
important, imho, is how long this salary level or the job will last.
i guess the answer is in the economic state of the country (hence this
discussion). what i want to know then is

1) how long will the boom in Malaysia going to last ? 
2) what is the govt doing to make things stay good as long as it can ? 
   - i mean low wages will not last forever or is it ?? 
   - if not, is the govt following Singapore and pouring $$ into 
     research,...etc ??

btw, i am not an economist, so use kiss.
i suppose others might be interested, please post replies instead
of email'ing me directly unless you really want to.

thanks for listening,
dennis

btw, kiss = keep it simple stanley :-)