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From: grant@bluemoon.use.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Blue Moon
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 06:43:01 GMT

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:

>> Learn some history, Riki boy. Arabs and Africans had been enslaving
>>each other for centuries before Europe got into the picture or the
>>USA even existed. For the most part it was Africans selling other
>>Africans to the foreign slave traders once Europe did get involved.

>No, you should learn your history. Arabd and Africans never treated
>their slaves you way that your race treated the black African. Be

 I never said the form it took in the US wasn't one of the more
abhorent. But for your information it wasn't just "my race" as there
were black slave owners here as well (surprise!).

 BTW, the slavery you are so fond of (the Arab and Afrian variety) is
still going on today so you have plenty of opportunity to participate.
That should appeal to someone who is as much of a racist as yourself,
Riki.

>you know what your race has done!!!! Don't play games with me!!! Sure

 Mr. Morton is right, you are a racist little slime.

>Africans sold slaves to the Whites but I'm sure they had no Idea(which
>they hadn't) that their people would be treated so cruelly. The Japanese

 They knew very well, it wasn't their friends they sold.

>should study some of the "devices" that the Caucasians made just to
>"harness" the black people.  From Thumb screws to neck-ties!

 Thumb screws predate the USA by a few centuries, and were used on
other Europeans for those centuries. Neck ties are a fashion
affliction that while tortuous are worn by everyone who has to
wear a suit these days...

>> It isn't PC to remember this as it doesn't force all the blame on
>>the "evil White Man" (tm), but it is true. Hell, Europeans learned
>>most of the tricks of the trade from the African and Arab traders...

>This statement shows how deep the racism in America really is. I am
>currently reading a book called "White Racism"! I'll give the details
>later. For the Japanese women, I suggest any book by Toni Morrison or
>Richard Wright.

 The racism is deep in you, not I. I don't care what anyone looks like,
I only care what they act like. You on the other hand go out of your
way to say how terrible "white man" is regardless of who the individual
white man (or woman) is. Anything that doesn't say "the white man is
evil and must be abolished!" doesn't fit in with your mind set so you
don't want any part of it.

 The only people I am prejudiced against are idiots and assholes. You
seem to fit into both groups, Riki.
 
-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.use.com)   /

        Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Organization: Amherst College
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:09:16 GMT

	As to Japanese property rights...I was taught that, in Japan, the foyer
of a house is sort of considered "public property." I.e. A sales man or 
whatever will walk inside the house and call for somebody - but no further 
than the foyer, or else they ARE trespassing.

	I have no idea how useful this tidbit is, but it seemed sort of 
relevant.

								-Skippy
From: hash@ikarac5.ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp (Toshihiko Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What would you want as souvenir from Japan?
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:59:57 GMT
Organization: Araki Lab., Electronic Engineering, Saitama Univ., Japan

In article <1gop2dINN9v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood) writes:
>
>This may be a strange choice for a gift, but Japanese toothpicks
>(which have unusual carved shape at one end, point at the other)
>have proved to be popular when I've brought them from Japan.
>They are also inexpensive, and light and small for carrying!
>Cathy

I couldn't imagine what it is at all.  Could you give me
the name of the stuff in Japanese?

Thanks,

Toshi

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Is Japan crowded?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.201704.27849@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>>>If I remember correctly, 70% of Japan is uninhabitable mountainous regions.
>
>miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>>Visit Switzerland sometime to see how to build on mountains.
>
>Gee, I'd love to visit Switzerland :-)  I don't know anything about
>construction techniques to assess how transferrable Swiss situation 
>is to the Japananese one.  Seems like every tsuyu (rainy season) there's
>incidences of houses build on or near a cliff being wiped out by mud
>slides in Jp.

Switzerland has avalanches. California has avalanches (not in populated areas)
and landslides (even in highly populated areas). We lose houses here every
year in LA, the Bay Area, etc.

>>>Are you sure about this?  Land prices were pretty high even before all
>>>the mid 80's "bubble" thing started.

>>	Yes, I'm sure about this.  Land prices were not so out of line
>>	with comparable prices in other countries before the bubble.
>>	Remember to compare Tokyo to NY City, not Kansas City.

>I don't get it.  I was questioning your assertion that reason of high land 
>price in Jp is not due to the crowded condition.  So why is land in NYC 
>more expesive than in KC?  Is it due purely to speculation (or some other
>conditions) and not due to more crowded condition in NYC?

>I think the comparison one needs to make in order to prove your point
>is *average* land prices in Jp and another country. Not selected cities
>in respective countries.

Until quite recently, total land "value" of Tokyo was equal to that of the
entire US. Land value of the entire Japanese archapelago was 4 times that of
the entire US. Given similar population densities (the NYC vs Tokyo comparison)
the disparity in price of land is simply NOT explained in that fashion. And
BTW, land prices in areas like Kochi, Sapporo, etc, were not very high at the
beginning of the 80s.

There is no doubt that land is more expensive in more crowded areas. What I 
believe Mr Goldman is driving at is that the values in Japan as a whole and
Tokyo in particular are WAY out of line with similar areas around the world,
and this cannot be explained away with a simple "Well, it's crowded there."
In the 80's, land was used to fuel a "money machine". By constant changes of 
hands, land increased in value, giving the owner higher value collateral to
obtain loans from banks. As the price of land was rising much more rapidly than
interest rates, much of this loan money was plowed back into real-estate, 
assuring the borrower of a financial "perpetual motion" machine (until the
bubble burst). This is why Japanese land prices (and Tokyo in particular) are
so far out of line with other regions.

Mike

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From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Saying "Yes" to Japan
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:39:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA

America bent over and said "yes" to Japan in a major way.  To some extent, we
deserve to the economic war with the Japanese because we asked to get fucked up
the ass.  However, it is now time to end the charade and take this war to the
arena where the United States will win: military and politics.  It is time that
we return the "favors" they have done us in the past.
	I am beginning my phase of the war by posting this one last message and
unsubscribing this group.--I am one gaijin who will not take it up the ass.

			Saionara, Suckers
From: s-ko@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Picking on Canadians (Was: PEN-PAL WANTED)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:13:03 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)


jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:

> s-ko@cibbs.UUCP writes:
> >jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
> >> s-ko@cibbs.UUCP writes:
> >> >Hey! I'm Canadian!  Don't get us Candians mixed with Americans!
> >> 
> >> Well if you insist on copying their accents, and driving on the wrong
> >> side of the road, and not playing cricket, ......, what do you expect?
> 
> >Wrong side of the road?  Well since your on the bottom side of the planet 
> >and you invert that to the top side like we in north american then 
> >wouldn't you be right side up?  So then really we're on the right  if you 
> >were in Canada.  Make sense?  
> 
> Good to know that sophistry is alive and well among Candians.
> 
> -- 
> Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
> Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
> PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
> (fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  


Uh..huh.

Well about our Accents, I can tell an American from a Canadian.  Just by the
eh? at the end of a sentance.  I never realise it but some Americans pointed it
out to me.  Also the Accent is slightly different.  In the Maritimes, well,
it's really different, in Quebec well it's Frenchish.. (Only thing is French
people in France don't think French in Quebec is French, You figure it out)
And Well Ontario more bland... Out East in BC it's quite unique.  So in Fact 
Candians have their own accent as do parts of America.  
Just letting you know...
S-ko

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From: nomura@zen.uta.edu (Seiichi Nomura)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Univ. Texas at Arlington, Arlington, Texas
	<BzBorr.68C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1glumhINNi4d@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:33:27 GMT

In article <BzBorr.68C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Williams) writes:

   >And look at how the police reacted.  They avoided a scene and tried to
   >talk the students out of their pilfered items.

I've read news that Japanese police are cracking down and 
arresting Chinese and Iranians all over for their illegal
entry and illegal use of telephone cards.

It would bother me if the reason police did not arrest the students 
is because they are from the U.S.





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From: jfriedl+@cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Friedl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: He's gone (so sad)
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzL6L2.M62.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Sad news.... the account of he known to us as "R. Asano" has been disabled
at CMU as part of a big housecleaning to get rid of old accounts. Those
who were an official part of the university last semester were not included
in the cleaning, so whoever Rikiya Asano was, he was not a student.

Until the person that used that account finds another access to the net
(perhaps as yet a different name), we'll hopefully return to a normal S/N
ratio.....

A nice Christmas present for us all!
        *jeff*
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Currently visiting scientist to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon University.
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: strange beverages
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:53:40 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

>robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>>Midori is a color that is recognized only in postwar Japan.  Before that,
>>the poor diet of Japanese caused mass color blindness between blue and
>>green :). 

>I don't know about the "poor diet" bit but it is true that older people
>don't seem to distinguish ao(blue) and midori(green).  To them both are
>ao.  It's not to say that they are incapable of distinguishing the colors.
>My grandfather knows "green" but he doesn't bother to give two colors
>different names.  Phrase like "ao ao to shita kusaki" (verdant greenery)
>seems to indicate that this ao-midori thing goes deeper.  Also there's
>(at least) two kanjis for ao.

>>This is why they still insist that their signals are red, yellow, and blue.

I thought aoi was blue and bluish-green, rather than being a simple
cognate of blue. That's what they taught at my school anyway. Is it 
more complicated than that? ...sigh...

-ricko

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:30:28 GMT

In article <1gn3heINN6kk@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
|> why waste your time perfecting such skills?

I agree entirely, however we humans do seek to categorise any object
we come across, be it a person, a building or anything.  We need to
know how to structure our initial interactions with them, and broad
stereotypes are what are generally used.


|> ....... Similarly, Asians in the USA look and behave more like
|> Americans than members of ancestorial ethinic groups. Asian-
|> Australians dress/sound/behave more like Australians than
|> Asians.

Just my $0.02 here, having worked around the tourism industry
in Queensland, Australia (Great Barrier Reef, Cairns, Surfers'
Paradise et cetera) I've only been able to tell Japanese and Korean
tourists apart from the observation that the Japanese generally
wear more expensive clothing [especially watches, shoes, jewelery
and scarves, which seem to be advertised the most in the more
upmarket Japanese press] 

Smilies for humor impaired ---->>> :)  :)  :)  :)


|> I can't
|> tell where people come from by their appearance and, more  
|> importantly, I don't care where they come from so long as
|> we can peacefully co-exist.

This is a great ideal, good luck, seriously.


|> There are lots of esthetically pleasing people in
|> each ethnic groups. If a rate of genetic accident held constant,
|> China should have ten times more beautiful people than Japan does.

It probably does, but most of them, unlike the Japanese, cannot afford
to be world travellers, or even "Cosmopolites" in their _own_ cities, as
their country is not as wealthy as Japan.  Perhaps they are not seen
with the same frequency either at home or abroad as people from
1st world countries like USA or Japan.

|> 
|> K. Ohtsuka

Jonathan
From: irie@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:04:19 GMT
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 12 Dec 92 22:14:25 GMT

First of all, I have removed the extraneous newsgroups that this has been
raging in, including the one from which I read it (sci.electronics- How did
it get there???) As a consequence, flame all you want, I just wont be
reading it :)

In article <Bz6342.F0G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

   >I know that it is not a reasonable comparison since English is my first
   >language and I have only been trying to learn Japanese for one year, but
   >2000 kanji seems like a hell of alot of literacy to me!
   >
   To a foreigner trying to learn it, sure, but consider that English has
   over 100,000 words, about 10,000 are in common usage, with similar numbers
   for the Japanese, then knowing 2000 words in your first language may
   be considered very *basic* understanding.

Hmm I think there is a BIG difference in the two languages. English, although
it has 100,000 words( is that really true?), has an ALPHABET. Japanse and
Chinese (korean too I think, although I dont know too much) dont. I am not
sure of the 2000 word figure, but in Japanese, each "word" (it is better
to refer to them as characters) usually has two different pronunciations,
sometimes more. A Japanese word (in the real sense) often has more than
one character. So learning 2000 characters is not the only thing one
must do. You have to learn all the combinations of the words and their
respective meanings and pronunciations. Not an easy task!

One question- Are we talking about the AVERAGE person in each country?
If so, I doubt the AVERAGE American knows 10,000 words.

   While I do not mean to imply that the Japanese do this, if one can lower
   standards enough, EVERYONE can be made literate or illiterate.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,soc.culture.usa,misc.education
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Subject: education (was: Re: D O E S A M E R I C A S A Y Y E S T O J A P A N ?)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:32:43 GMT
	<1992Dec9.185154.14428@mtu.edu>
	<1992Dec9.205405.18741@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <Bz10xF.7LG@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

In article <Bz10xF.7LG@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
   writes:

 =}When I was in Japan, I was surprised to find that all the
 =}secretaries were university graduates.  And most menial 
 =}laborers did manage to pass their calculus course in high
 =}school.

   Controversial topic of women in education in Japan aside...

   Since I have a large number of 'menial labor' friends then I think I
might be able to shed some light on their 'calulus'...  To say it simply,
many did not pass their calculus course in high school...  A minority
didn't even go to high school...

 =}Even the bag people .. who were much, much dirtier and 
 =}disreputable looking than American bag people .. seemed to
 =}read far more newspapers and books than American bag people.
 =}One of them even appeared to be writing a novel.

   This is one area where the Japanese educational system and the social
structure supporting it does very well.  Almost everyone will get enough
education to be able to develop an appreciation of things like reading...

 =}I think we need to work on the quantity as well as quality.

   I totally agree.  I also feel that the US needs to work on the
social structure supporting education, making education accessible
to the lower classes, and concentrating more on education about the
physical world around us rather than the human view of it...
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Hosono Haruomi's "Nokto de la Galaksia Fervojo"
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:00:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bz4DDK.83t.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

My favorite Haruomi Hosono album is ``The Endless Talking (I Suoni Che Abitano 
La Natura)'' which contains art museum installation music from 1985.
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From: bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,misc.education
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:41:37 GMT
Reply-To: bartonh@tekeda.pen.tek.com
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <Bz95KB.1qw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>Software companies in the world!  One would be tempted to say he was an 
>exception, until you look at all the enterpeneurs and CEOs of buisinesses,
>and there seems to be a common thread:  they all did poorly in school, and
>most enterpeneurs didn't graduate from college.  
>

It seems that in many of the articles and TV shows about why America does 
not compete well with Japan (ie in hi-tech/science related,
industries) one of the ideas that is repeated over and over is
that our CEO's are technically incompetent.  Oh yeah, they're great at 
shuffling money around, mergers and acquisitions, etc.., but when it comes
to predicting technology and market trends (ie actually doing something)  
their foreign peers (not just Japanese) are considerably more adept.

You may measure success by comparing a drop-out CEO to his classmate who
stayed in school to be a plain old engineer, but that's not the real issue here.
The real issue is that U.S. CEO's do not appear to be performing as well
as their over-seas counterparts.

I think if the U.S. primary education was even a little more like Japan's,
the same people would still become CEO's as before, but they would be
much more effective CEO's than they are now.

Bart
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:36:53 GMT

> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
> 
> >We constantly hear that the "japenese" are smarter than Americans based 
> >on their test scores.  Has anyone ever compared the tests?
> 
> Actually, I've never heard this.  I have heard, however, that the Japanese
> do a better job of educating their students. Study after study has shown 
> this to be true.  
> 
> I can't see any good reason to doubt this - USA does a pitiful 
> job of educating the majority of its people.

I've experienced both and I wouldn't draw any conclusions.  How much the 
majority of Japanese speak awful English?  Anyways, there's a hell of a 
lot more to education than what's in the books.  The US is different from 
a lot of Asian or European societies in that students are often forced to 
hold their own job and fend for themselves (this is a generalization).

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns