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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:23:21 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 591

In this issue:
                        The death of gay men...
               Multimedia GLB business/organization list
                               Olympians
                            OLTL (Thursday)
           article in today's paper about Deborah Glick (NYS)

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:23:49 EDT
From: romickle@vassar.edu
Subject: The death of gay men...

>Mr. Jefferson led a successful movement to reduce the
>punishment for sodomy in the state of Virginia from the death penalty to
>castration.
For some gay men, this IS the death penalty! :)
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 "I wear black on the outside 'cos  \  /      (914) 451- 2031
  black is how I feel on the inside" \/
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Date: 30 Jul 92 21:04:18 EDT
From: Brian S McConnell <71460.1571@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Multimedia GLB business/organization list

FYI,

About the BarPhone service, some people asked about rates, here's the
rundown:

Interactive voice service (call via TouchTone phone)

National Service : search from any city for info in any city
- provides access to locator service which allows you to scan for GLB
business, community groups and university groups by state, city, category
or university. Also allows access to current event info.
  $1.25/min (1st minute FREE, so if you get no hits on a search you don't
             gey screwed)
Local Service : for local info - can only search home city or nearest area
- access to same services, limited by geography
  $0.50/min (average search time 2-3min.)
Frequent Callers : we give you a PIN which can use when calling from any
public, private or car phone. Billed monthly to VISA/MC.
  $0.35/min (national and local searches)

Fax Services : to retrieve a 4-6 page packet with maps, community resource
directories, current event information and news, the cost will be $2.50
($3.50 if packet is especially long). [if you're looking for work, see the
section on INDEPENDENT WRITERS NETWORK]

Videotex Services : we will be porting the text side of our database into
a videotex format. Fax files in the form of TIFF-F files will likely be
available as well. We plan to provide a wide selection of services beyond
those provided by the voice and fax services. Electronic mail,
conferences, usenet feeds, and graphics libraries will be available. We
will charge connect fees, but no surcharges for using any online services.
Connect fees will range: $0.15 to $0.20/min depending on our LD carrier
rates.

Internet Videotex : we really want to provide the service to Internet
users through Telnet/FTP/Gopher. What we will do is one of the following:
a) provide access to a sample of services but not the whole show, b)
look into site licenses for institutions and provide total access.
For end users, there will be (can't be) fees associated with Internet
access.

Will we charge for mailing lists and databases? The answer is "it depends"
It depends on who the user is. A non-profit community group will be
treated differently than a business. Will we send our entire database
to anyone? No, that would be an invitation to disaster lest a
competitor snitch our hard-earned resource and offer it for a premium.
Would we freely provide access to the student organization database to
student organizations? Yup, we sure will.

One last note, unlike the greedy phone sex operators, our strategy is
to charge only marginally more than our voice/data transport costs
and encourage high call volumes. While the profit per call is low, if
we all 28 of our inbound lines are swamped, we are doing well.

COSTS TO INFORMATION PROVIDERS (anyone posting information to the
service). Generally, these services are offered free of charge, and
when our 800 line (for info providers only) goes online, it will be
totally free. Our approach is to provide basic services free of charge
and to offer several value added services which are operated on a pay
per use basis, and are voluntary. The database listing, voice mailboxes
and access to these is free, and always will be. The following are
value added services:

Priority Event Notices - broadcast a 10 second message to every caller in
a given city, state or region. Callers, by pressing their * key are
transferred directly to your standard voice mailbox for more information.
Citywide notices are $5/week, statewide notices are $25/week and regional
notices (4 states) are $40/week. In other words, pretty damned cheap.

Travel Information Network - here we transfer callers, tollfree, to
your front desk. Once the transfer occurs, the call is free to the
caller, we bill you for call transfer, and a modest percentage for
billing and collection. (est. $0.35 to $0.40/min) Guest houses, for
example, could really use this service. It doesn't cost much more than
small business 800 service.

Custom surveys and market research - we have built into our system the
ability to randomly poll callers with questions (they are given free time
to answer questions), and build statistics from those responses. This
service will be offered on a subscription basis. We will not compromise
the privacy of callers.

THE INDEPENDENT WRITERS NETWORK - are you looking for part-time work?
If you like to write, and have desktop publishing equipment, you can write
a nationally accessible travel guide to your city with zero publishing
costs. You are an independent publication and keep all advertising
revenues. If you have a PC with a faxmodem and a hand scanner, then you
have the equipment needed to participate in the program. Look for a more
detailed message on the IWN program soon.

Summary - this is a for-profit service, but it is a good for profit
service, meaning we are providing a useful service and are pricing the
service such that we only make small profits from individual calls, but
big bucks when multiplied over many, many callers as we think there will
be in a few months.

Once again, if you have questions, feel free to write us at:
71460.1571@compuserve.com

Take care!
Brian

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:55:15 EDT
From: jeff@millie.loc.gov (Jeff Mallory)


Has anyone else received a solicitation letter from EPOColorado (Equal
Protection Campaign of Colorado), signed by Martina Navratilova??

Text below: (verbatim, any typos are mine)

                              Martina Navratilova
                                Aspen, Colorado

                                  July, 1992

Dear Friend:

To win at tennis, the rules are simple. Do your homework
and when the time comes, go for it. The same rules apply
to politics.

But, unlike tennis, in a political fight you also need money.

You can have a great cause and a brilliant strategy. But if your
opponent has  more money, your chances are slim and none. That's
why I'm writing. _I need your help to defeat the worst attack on
civil rights in recent history._

The right wing's new strategy is divide and conquer. They target a
few people in a few states, and they count on the rest of us to pay
no attention. That way, they hope to pick us off... one at a time.

That's what's behind Amedment #2, a proposal to amend the constitution
to _legalize discrimination against gays, lesbians and bisexuals_ in
Colorado -- my adopted home. This amendment would invalidate existing
anti-discrimination ordinances in three Colorado cities, as well as
Governor Roy Romer's executive order protecting state employees.

And it would _forbid Colorado citizens from ever again voting on such
ordinances._

Under cover of so-called "Family Values, _the national right wing wants
to score the first consitutional victory in Colorado, from which it
plans to systematically attack rights throughout America_ -- and
Amendment #2 is its tool.

_We need your help now to make this a fair fight. And that will only
happen if you help by writing and mailing a check today_ to EPOColorado
-- the Equal Protection Campaign, the people fighting Amednment #2.

Colorado for Family Values, the group behind Amendment #2, is an off-
spring of the Traditional Values Coalition, a national organization
committed to rolling back civil rights. They are the heirs of the Moral
Majority, and their agenda goes far beyond legalizing discrimination
against gays.

In fact, Amendment #2 is just the first wave. _If they win in Colorado_,
look for an all-out attack on privacy and local control, on what can be
taught in our schools, and even over control of our own bodies.

_But if they lose_, it will be a serious blow to the extremist agenda --
not just in Colorado, but throughout the country.

So Amendment #2 is not just a threat; _it's a critical opportunity to
stop the right wing dead in its tracks_.

But only if you help -- today -- by writing and mailing a check.

In tennis, it all depends on the efforts of a few people on the court.
The rest can sit by and be entertained.

but _politics is not a spectator sport_. It's not enough for us to sit
by -- you've got to be part of the team. And no one's going to be
entertained if we lose to the CFV.

So join me in a great cause by contributing now to EPOColorado. If we do
this right, we can all go back to our lives and not have to worry so
much about attacks on civil rights.

But if we don't respond now, who knows where they'll strike next.

_The ball's in  your court_. Please help

Sincerely,
 (signed)
 Martina Navratilova

P.S. Isn't stopping the right wing campaign worth at least as much to
you as one night out with a good friend? If so, here's a challenge: Take
$50 -- or whatever you'd spend -- and send it to:

 EPOColorado, Inc, Box 300476, Denver, CO 80203

Then send this letter to your friend -- and blame it on me.

(Authorized by EPOColorado,Inc. Printed by volunteers.
               Maria Garcia Berry, Treasurer LTR064)

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From: Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt@uunet.UU.NET>
Subject: Olympians
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:01:52 CDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

>But while we're discussing Olypians, how about that Mark Lenzi?  Does that

Ooo, he is cute. And from Alabama, too! [lust]
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Eric Hunt                     | bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net (preferred)
Birmingham-Southern College   | eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com
Birmingham, Alabama 35254     |          ^----nothing longer than 100 lines

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From: Greg Pratt <aragon@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu>
Subject: OLTL (Thursday)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:21:49 EDT

Today's show opens at the hospital.  Billy has apparently made it through,
and Andrew is waiting to see him.  He is in the corridor at the hospital when
the attending doctor walks out.  The doctor asks the Reverend Carpenter what
might have been bugging Billy so much that he drank himself into this state
("two or three shots away from a coma"), and Andrew says he isn't really sure
why he did this.  Andrew looks in the window, and sees Walter Douglas with
his wife at Billy's bedside.  He backs away from the door nervously,
whispering, "Oh God... have I done this?"

Mr. Douglas sees Andrew looking through the door, and his face drops to a
scowl.  He walks out of the room, where Andrew has already turned away.
Walter is still livid about Reverend Carpenter having anything to do with his
son.  It becomes clear through their argument that now the anger and fear
isn't vented towards him for molesting his son, but rather towards the
perception that Andrew is gay, because Andrew hasn't said anything one way or
the other about this subject.  By this time, Virginia has also stepped out of
the room, and tries to calms her husband down.  Throughout much of this
altercation, as with previous scenes, Walter looks just on the edge of
wanting to break Andrew's jaw.  Walter puts on a straight-laced face, asks
his wife if she wants any coffee, and walks away.  Mrs. Douglas asks Rev.
Carpenter if he wanted to see Billy, and he says yes.  She lets him into the
room.  You can tell  she isn't entirely happy with her husband's behavior or
attitudes towards Andrew.

Billy is awake, but rather weak, and speaking in a raspy voice.  Billy again
blames himself for the whole mess with Rev. Carpenter, saying that the vestry
and half the town wouldn't be trying to roast him over an open fire if not
for him.  He starts coughing, and Andrew pours him a glass of water.  Rev.
Carpenter tells Billy he would still be making a stand for his principles,
even if Billy wasn't part of the picture.  Andrew then changes the subject,
and asks Billy if he has any idea who started the rumors.  Andrew says he
thinks it's Marty Seabrooke, and Billy doesn't seem surprised.  Andrew makes
Billy promise to stay clear of Marty; Billy readily agrees, saying that last
night is enough proof of how dangerous she is to him.  Marty is watching all
of this through the window.   She almost walks in, and you can see a pained
look on her face, almost like she wants to cry, as she backs away from the
door.

Elizabeth has come to the hospital to comfort the Douglases, who are sitting
in a public waiting area.  As one might guess, she starts spouting off
against Andrew Carpenter again, and Walter joins in with her, referring to
Andrew's supposedly sexuality as "deviant behavior".  Virginia cuts into
this, defending Rev. Carpenter before them.  Walter is annoyed: "But we saw
it with out own eyes!"  Virginia tells him that both of them probably read
more into what was going on than what actually happened.  She also says that
she doesn't care as much if Rev. Carpenter is gay, and no one knows that for
sure anyway.  Walter can't believe what he's hearing: "What the hell is the
matter with you?"  Virginia just says she needs some air, and walks away.
Throughout all of this, Joey and Alana have been watching and listening
through a window.

Marty is walking down the hallway with a cart full of flowers to deliver when
Andrew catches up with her.  He is NOT happy at all.  He grabs her by the arm
and pushes her against a wall, and verbally drills her until she looks like
she is going to cry.  He is seriously pissed off because she is not just
hurting him, but also hurting a lot of innocent people in the process,
especially Billy Douglas.  He is looking really dark at this point, telling
her how she isn't in the slightest bit remorseful for what she's done.  Marty
flips out, screaming about how he could never return any of the love she gave
for her.  Andrew tells her that what she is doing -- essentially what she is
-- is evil.  He admits that he should be able to forgive anyone, even her --
but he just cannot find it in himself to forgive her.  Marty backs away,
grabs her cart, and virtually runs down the corridor with it.

Shortly thereafter, Andrew runs into Cassie.  She is here to warn Andrew
about a "favor" her mother did as the editor of "The Intruder" (local tabloid
rag).  In an effort to try and quell the rumors about Andrew, she put in a
cover story about Andrew and Cassie's "secret engagement", in order to make
him appear heterosexual.  Cassie has, however, still retained her feelings
that she doesn't have the strength to stand with Andrew.  She walks away,
upset.

The same doctor that attended to Billy finds Andrew looking out through a
window.  He tells him again that this matter of the rumors about his sexual
orientation and the stress they are causing his father need to end.  He is
also worried because the general never showed up for his afternoon checkup
with him.  Andrew maintains that he believes in his principles; the doctor
backs off, admitting that at his age, Sloan Carpenter should know full well
how to deal with stress.  He tells Andrew he respects his decision.

Joey and Alana finally have a chance to see Billy, and are talking with him
in his hospital room.  Joey and Alana are rather annoyed at Marty for having
nearly killed him.  Billy is still worried that the whole mess with Andrew is
his fault.  His two friends tell him that he had nothing to do with this, and
Alana says he wishes Andrew would just come out and tell everyone he's
heterosexual.  Billy changes his mood now, and tells them that he shouldn't,
and that he understands why Andrew is doing this now.  Joey doesn't get it,
and Billy continues: everyone is assuming Andrew is gay because he refuses to
admit it; they are assuming he is "guilty" of something by denying it.  If he
were to tell  everyone that he was straight, they would all go "Oh," and life
would return to normal.  But the next time people thought someone in Llanview
was gay (including perhaps himself), everyone would go right back to the same
patterns of suspicion, hatred, and fear.  Alana and Joey finally understand
this, and they begin to respect Andrew Carpenter a lot more.  Then then have
a brainstorm, to support Andrew.  They bring up the idea of a petition, a
list of signatures of people who support Andrew Carpenter.  The people who
have had their voices heard so far are all against the reverend -- perhaps it
is time to show him, and everyone else, that there are many people who
support him.

-
Gregory Pratt                               "The problem with the gene pool
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute            is that there is no lifeguard."
Association for Computing Machinery                             --- unknown

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From: Greg Pratt <aragon@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu>
Subject: article in today's paper about Deborah Glick (NYS)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:22:58 EDT

Here's an article I picked up out of today's issue (Thursday, July 30, 1992)
of The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, NY.  I quoted it below without
permission.  I probably wouldn't have spotted it, except I noticed my mother
laughing hysterically at the very last paragraph.  I think you will too.
It's kind of sad, but I didn't know what else to do but laugh... :)

There was also a very good photo of Assemblywoman Glick above the article.
Anyway, the article itself...


        LESBIAN LEGISLATOR TAKES PAINS TO HAVE WELL-ROUNDED AGENDA
        By David Bauder, The Associated Press

          ALBANY -- Deborah Glick knew when she came to Albany that she
        would be more a symbol than a legislator in many people's eyes.
          The 41-year-old Manhattan resident was the first activist
        lesbian to join the Legislature when she was elevated to the
        Assembly in 1990.  The designation made sure that she would be
        noticed, unlike many freshman lawmakers.
          "When you're a first, there's no question that it's an uneasy
        position," she said.  "It's not the kind of thing you want to be
        known for, but it's the kind of thing you know is going to be a
        focal point."
          Glick has worked hard on issues important to the lesbian and
        gay community, including a still-stalled bill that sets special
        penalties for people convicted of bias-related crimes.
          But she's taken pains to present herself as a well-rounded
        legislator and to dispel any stereotypes that lawmakers have
        about lesbians.
          One fellow Manhattan Democrat says she's succeeded.
          "For many members, no matter what they thought, if they hadn't
        dealt with the gay community they had no idea what to expect,"
        said Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, and Albany veteran.
          "I think they found, much to their surprise, that Deborah is
        not unlike any other member -- she's issues oriented, she works
        hard, she's learning the ropes, and she takes her job very
        seriously," he said.
          Glick's old boss, former Assembly Speaker Mel Miller, was
        impressed with her intelligence and set a standard for tolerance
        with a quote that's achieved a legendary status in Albany.
          "The fact that she's an avowed lesbian doesn't really mean
        anything," Miller told The New York Times.  "I mean, I've got
        avowed morons in my conference."
          Perhaps to prove that point, Glick said she's had a handful of
        fellow legislators tell her that there are no gays or lesbians
        living in their districts.

-
Gregory Pratt                               "The problem with the gene pool
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute            is that there is no lifeguard."
Association for Computing Machinery                             --- unknown

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