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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:26:15 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Clear the air

>>> love, Saint Judith of the Leather Clothing
>>
>>Ooof! Can I build a <shrine>?
>>
>>-abh
>
>I'll send a little something for your reliquary...
>
>love, Ste. Judith

I believe there was some speculation about how Judith gets
called names. I am quoting this in order to throw some light
on the question of who does the actual naming.

Similar processes seem to be at work behind list angel, list
uncle, bandwidth pig etc. List goddess is one example which
doesn't seem to follow the pattern. About Czarina, I am not
sure.

tushar
List Subscriber.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: My final words on the flamewar
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:30:48 GMT
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In a previous article, harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) says:

>1). Grace, not deeds
>2). Judge not lest...
>3). The peace of God passeth all understanding...including, I daresay,
>that of fundamentalist interpreters of Scripture.
>
And the people said, Amen.  I was planning on posting I Corinthians 13
[the whole thing] in here, but maybe I don't need to.  Unless someone wants
it, but you'll have to specify King James or New American Standard translation.
My NIV's out on loan.:-)

>
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Posted on 9 Nov 1992 at 18:45:38 by ktw@POLARIS.ATT.COM
>Project H mess was worse.  This weekend is the worst of all.  Consider
>that the cast of characters also overlaps.

Except that this time Jim and Graham are on the *same* side!!!!!

Karen
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 wrote:

> Come on Graham, anyone can quote Bible text out of context.  Would you

Yeah, man, this is lame par excellance. You can prove anything with the
Bible, there are so many commands and countermands in it.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:49:24 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Today
              5 Nov 1992 13:51:11 EST from <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:51:11 EST Judith E. Schrier said:
>Oh, do you remember
>The fifth of November?

Let's see:  1664:  Samuel Pepys writes in his Diary that Macbeth is a
"pretty good play."

            1885:  Will Durant is born.

            1930:  Sinclair Lewis becomes the first American to win the
Nobel Prize for Literature.

Anything else?
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:21:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Fun for all

> There's nothing pragmatic about shipping outdated pig iron computers to
> third world countries when you could send a high end PC cheaper and
> have it last longer and be more useful while it does last.

A: Ok, you're on. Do it.

Reminds me of an Abbott and Costello routine, the last two lines of
which are "I don't care *who* pays for it." and "OK, *you* pay for
it."  Charity with somebody else's money is so much more fun, isn't
it?

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave 'em.
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>      my question is simply why he didn't just subscribe?
>      i wish i'd subscribed earlier.  now i'm just reading
>      nine thousand kinda interesting back messages and making
>      random replies to confuse people.

Oh my, I believe we have been <discovered> by the students at Pitt.  Note that
our fair students appear to fit it just a tad better than our military friends
of weeks back.

FYI, bekka (welcome aboard!) is also reading the Usenet feed.

These students, with their puny 1000-block allocations on VMS, just can't keep
up any other way.

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Subject: Re: Today
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:04:00 GMT
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Gosh, roll the birthday greetings for dan-l's 25 year old son!

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:07:40 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)
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:> : There are subtle distinctions. Saying floccinaucinihilipilification will
:> : make people wonder whether you think you are an Eton boy or Harrow, but
:> : saying supracalifragilisticexpialidocious will merely make them certain
:> : that you are an insufferable twit.
:>
:> No.  Saying floccinaucinihilipilification too often will brand you as
:> a twit no matter what school people think you went to...
:>
:> G

:Somehow, it seems to me very fitting that Tushar and Graham should be
:having the above conversation.

:rashmi

Oh, you floccinaucinihilipilificatrix you!

G
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Greetings,

Gee, and all I did was look in the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

By the way, Agnes, I spend my days and many of my nights in the library, but
I have an ever-increasing reference collection at home (it's amazing the
opportunities one gets to purchase discarded library materials when one
works in a library, isn't it?).

Marty
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:32:59 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: amendment 2
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: >OK. To try to defuse this flamewar, I'll be willing to concede that I'm
: >arguing against a whole movement and not Ruth in particular.  I really
: >would like to hear Ruth say she'd have voted against the Oregon or
: >Colorado discriminatory bills though.  It would make it a lot easier for me
: >to dissociate her from the provably bigoted movement she's a part of.
: >
: Sorry, Graham, I can't say that.  I might well choose not to vote on the
: issue entirely, though.  That's as close as I can come.  I can't vote for
: something which I think is wrong.  On the other hand, I can't vote against
: a law that would protect humans from others who think they're better, but
: who may in fact be worse.  On that referendum, Graham, I'd probably just
: stay home.  That's all I can offer you.

Thank you.  There was a lot in that last letter that I could follow up
about your hypocrisy and selective reading of the bible ('out of context'
my arse - what a great cop-out) but that last posting puts yourself on
the party line in exactly the way I knew you would.

You agree with OR9's bigotry, but you're a hypocrite and would abstain
to salve your conscience.  You're beneath contempt.  I want no more to
do with you.

You said earlier that you though I was expecting no response or a paper
tiger when I first asked a question to the effect of there being a
correlation between Christian Fundies and right-wing politics.  You
couldn't have been further from the truth.  For years I've been sickened
by the Fundy christian bigotry which recently came to a head in the US
with these draconian resolutions, but I've never been able to pin anyone
down to admitting to being a fundamentalist believer in the literality
of the bible, and I genuinely wanted to find out if they're as sick and
deluded as the majority of opinion holds them to be.  I really expected
you to put up a spirited and rational argument, and to say that of
course you didn't *really* believe every word of the bible in its
literality, contradictions and all, and that it was just a metaphor.
But no, you've convinced me beyond doubt that you and your ilk are
dangerous if not psychotic nutters, and I'll do everything in my power
to proselytise against you in future.  Congratulations, you've dragged
a moderate who likes to keep out of these things into the world of
sexual politics.

If you think this is getting personal, it is.

G
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> One student got an advantage by gluing the sheet into a Mobius
> band.

Should get extra points for creativity, I say.

Steve Karlson
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: amendment 2
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.142322.21602@eff.org> rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
>
>	I've just lost all respect for Graham and Jim.  This saddens
>me very deeply.


Ah, the cryptic one-liner. Are you bothered by our defense of human
rights? Surely you recognize that this, not religion, is the issue.
If you re-read the thread, perhaps you'll understand why some of us
are so offended by RuthH. Or do you criticize only when your own
issues are at stake?


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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:35:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      The chattering classes begin chattering

>White trash ... (People of color with those characteristics, on
>the other hand, enjoy "protected category" status and preferential admission to
>colleges.)

:    While excoriating some anonymous lamer on another list for
:    "demeaning and marginalizing people," Steve Karlson fetches up a
:    racist hairball like this.

:    It's not pretty, but you've got to admit it's good for a laugh.

Hop on the clue bus, Carol.  If university affirmative action offices
used income rather than skin color as their primary indicator of
"underserved populations," there'd be a lot more hillbillies and
other so-called "white trash" on campus, and the literature and
experiences of marginalized people would include tabloids,
fundamentalist beliefs, and possibly nativist groups.  The chattering
classes would really enjoy having to bone up on those subjects,
wouldn't they?

Meanwhile, there's a rising tide of gang activity at the university
that employs me, to which the administration's response has been a
convex combination of deploring and denial.  So far, nobody has been
shot in a gang fight on university property.  I hope it stays that
way, but right now the administration has shown about as much
vigilance as Captain Smith showed steering his unsinkable ship
through the North Atlantic.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:53:59 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the truth about judith (try no. 2
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>>> blomberg cepeda         [THE ABOVE IS A JOKE]
>
>>Now *who* on this list would _have_ to be told that, I wonder...
>
>Me?  I almost believed it.....

Awwww....Don *is* my friend :-)

BTW I just had lunch with Blommie again, and showed him
some pictures from the Cambridge pre-clam slam...he
*freaked* at the leather!

I can't *wait* to hear his interpretation...

love, judith, "clothed all in leather,
               from her toes up to her chin..."
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: November 7
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Gee, Frank, I just hope the new boss won't be the old boss. Actually, I don't
mean Yeltsin, who I admire tremendously, but face it, a lot of those long-
 suffering ex-Sovs are lurching towards a supernationalism, led by a lot of the
ex-Communists.
       Lithuania is a sign, I think, that Eastern Europe is at heart socialist-
-not Communist, mind you, a distinction not enough people draw, and certainly
not senior senators from North Carolina--but there are reasons the Bolsheviks
won; it wasn't just a palace coup. There is no ethos for private gain, and
never really was below the top 1% of the population. I support Gaidar's plans
in large part because some sort of reaction is inevitable, and I hope that
enough groundwork gets laid now--keep the average up, for example.
        I have a hard time with emigres who toast the downfall of communism.
Emigrants are always under a psychological pressure to constantly justify their
emigration. With Russians, this has led to an idealization of pre-1917 Russia
(there WERE reasons for the revolution, you know, and the tsar was a putz)
and a mythologization of the long-suffering Soviet people's struggle--no
government lasts 73 years 8 months without at least the tolerance of most of
the population. I was over there for the collapse itself, and no one was
raising glasses.
         And today there was a massive--maybe 100,000, maybe more--march from
Kaluga (formerly October) Square to the Manezh; CNN showed it crossing the
bridge (west side of Kremlin--which the hell one is that?), and it was damned
impressive.

           blomberg cepeda    st402747@brownvm
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:18:00 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Small Town Tale
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              26 Oct 1992 13:27:00 CST from <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Mon, 26 Oct 1992 13:27:00 CST Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet) said:
>short 25 miles away. Sadly, our little village has been discovered by
>developers, and they're building a huge industrial complex on the once
>corn-laden roads where I run, corn fields a view blocks away are being
>turned into acres of housing and appartments, and traffic is

So, what's new in DeKalb Jim?  When I was there in 64-67, it was just
the same.  Lived at corner of Lucinda and Normal in a house.  Of course
the U now owns that and has some classroom building on it (NE corner).
House WAS full of roaches, but....it WAS cheap....owned by some philos
prof who rented it to poor students, of course.

Then lived in a trailer just west of Cardinali Apts, not as far out
as Glidden, on north side of Lincoln Hwy.  All gone now.

Moved to then-new DeKalb Apts about a mile north of Lincoln Hall....

and lived in "last" apt bldg, and had "garden apt" which meant that it
had a view of a cornfield to the west, about 30 feet away...with some
concrete and dying sod in between.....

Haven't checked DK out much  since then, but have been thru a few times
and agree it HAS grown a lot....hell, Grant Towers was in the furthest
boonies then.....

dan  who also worked at Rick's Pizza and Italian Beef, where our slogan
      on the sign out front was "you just can't beat Rick's meat"
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Subject: Re: Tushar on the Ga

Greetings, Tushar,

And hats off to you for thumbing your nose at the face of adversity.

Marty
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In a previous article, Ken.Wolman@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU () says:

>Just sorta testing the system.  AT&T's scotch tape-and-spit gateway
>seems to have taken its usual monthly header, so I'm seeing if it IS
>the gateway or just inactivity.
A bit of both, probably.  I know all about those gateways, on a FIDOnet
level.  If you think *yours* is a pain, you should try sending Netmail when
a BBS sysop takes a weekend off....:-(

>God, this is slow....
>
Telnet and public access tend to combine that way.:-) 

Ruth "voice of experience" H

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:17:18 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Apology to Ruth
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Having slept on it and calmed down a bit, I realise that a lot of
you were right and I was unacceptably harsh on ruth yesterday.

"I think Ruth by following the doctrines of a corrupted church is
a sinner in the eyes of the Lord, a decent Christian God who teaches
tolerance and understanding.

I deplore Ruth's sin, but I know that it's a product of her upbringing
in a family holding the same religious beliefs that she does.  Whether
it's social conditioning that makes her unable to break out of the
strictures her family have placed on her, or a genetic flaw going
back to her persecuted forebears in Poland, I don't know - but she's
clearly unable to help herself.  I forgive the person, but not the sin.

If it were possible I would help Ruth with psychiatric counseling
to fight this sin inside her - I know she wants to be helped to
return to the True Way of the Lord.

Perhaps we could *all* help her by enacting legislation making it
illegal for her Church to practise in her state.  That would be
the decent christian thing to do.  There's nothing wrong with her
holding her beliefs, as long as she doesn't act upon them."

Graham





Ruth, do you see the parallel drawn above?  That's exactly what you're
doing to us.  Obviously, I don't mean it - it was just an illustration,
and yes, I do apologise for hurting you when you believe that you are
a good and decent person.  I'll end this flamewar now even though there's
a lot that's been said that I'm itching to dispute.

Please give some thought to the real life consequences of your beliefs
on other people.  Christian bigotry is causing more concrete and lasting
harm than this exchange of words could do.

G
From: jrlst14+@PITT.EDU (James R Llewellyn)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 02:45:01 GMT
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The Llewellyn in question is Doug Llewelyn of _The People's Court_. The
difference is the omission of the fourth 'l' from his name. It's nice to
know that there is so much general interest in my name.

Peace, Love, and piecemeal,
Jim
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In a previous article, kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ("") says:

>
>I gathered as much a couple of years ago when I was beaten to
>the punch on a couple of good reference sets that were being replaced
>in one library that was my second home at the time - by one of the
><librarians> who took them <home> for her - grown - <children>. The
>books were on various sciences. They were good, too, and
>prohibitively expensive new.
>A
>
Us poor library rats have to make do with the used book/discard tables and
used book sales.:-)  I almost bought some fairly recent encyclopaedias that
was recently, but decided against it.  There's no room in this house for more
reference books!:-(  I did, on the other dust jacket, glom a French Bible
printed around 1871 and a Baptist hymnal from about the same period.  It didn't
have the music printed inside, and was indexed by first lines which weirded
me out a bit.  Another library was dumping some Sir Walter Scott novels, a set
of five, all printed around 1898.  They're not worth much, but should be fun
to read.:-)  

Not only librarians can grab good stuff that way.<grin>  
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: legislating behavior (was amendment 2 ...)
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:21:30 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:17:00 CST, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
> <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET> wrote:
>> established church?  In the United States, churches are voluntary
>> associations of people.  Congregations can (and I think do) fire
>> ministers or split over questions of doctrine, and what you
>> describe as a discriminatory action I might view as exercise of
>> freedom of association.  OTOH, if it's an established church you're
>> talking about, I can understand how you'd view such an action as
>> some sort of official condemnation.
>
>Ask Ruth what the policy would be in her church, and whether its
>established.
>
Is this another flame-bait question Graham, or are you serious.  If serious,
I'll be in the building tomorrow anyway, and will hunt out the section
in the church constitution about it.  I used to have a copy around here
someplace, having helped rewrite a piece of it, but it could have landed
anywhere.  There may be a separate policy on it not in the constitution itself.
I'm kind of curious myself, actually.  If it doesn't exist, I'll suggest we 
get one written.  Sooner or later we're going to need it anyway, most likely
sooner.

Nethead, the Ruth
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:39:54 GMT

dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) writes:
> Yes, [Clinton's] not undersized at all.

Gennifer Flowers thinks so.  According to Ms. Flowers, in the
December 1992 issue of Penthouse (p. 73): "He's got a small penis".

--karsten

(Now that this has been "reported" the NYT will undoubtedly cover the
 story.  Soon we'll have multicolored graphics in USA Today showing
 that Clinton is our 27th largest president.  God Bless America.)
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