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From: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Subject: Tai nasha no karosha !
Reply-To: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Organization: Technical University of Vulcan
Distribution: alt.zines
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT

Lets have a look if this really works !

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: thud@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Ted Thibodeau Jr)
Subject: Re: Factsheet Five
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:31:58 GMT


Two things.

First, though I did not make this clear in my earlier post,
my site *just* began to carry this news.group. I therefore
have no way to read any earlier posts, as I have been advised
to do by a number of folks.

If someone would be so kind as to mail me an archived stack
of the relevant posts, I'd appreciate it.

Second, I am suddenly most pissed at both Mr Gunderloy and Mr
Luce.  I, some would say foolishly, shelled out a couple hundred
dollars to become a lifetime supporting subscriber of what I had
found to be a wondrous resource.  I received less than six issues
from Mr Gunderloy, happily including the first music compilation
cassette and the most recent edition of the Samisdat Method.

Then I received a letter from Mr Gunderloy informing me that he was
no longer going to be publisher, and had assigned everything to Mr
Luce's tender mercies.  Some six months or more later, well over
4 months behind schedule, I received the one and only issue ever
published by Mr Luce.

Now, through the good fortune of my net access, I have learned that
Mr Luce has also given up publishing F5. This gentleman, and I am
working hard to restrain my more vituperative tendencies, didn't
even have the grace to send out a postcard mailing to the subscriber
list.

I could have dealt with the demise of F5 much more easily had I been
told the truth earlier on, although I wouldn't have been any happier
about the loss of my investment, or that wondrous resource.

*sigh* The worst piece of this incident is that it makes me think
three hundred times longer about making *any* subscription investment
in *any* magazine, for fear that there are similar events hiding just
around the next bend.  I strongly encourage anyone with any connections
to either Mr Gunderloy or Mr Luce to send them a simlar message. Perhaps
they could come forward with some explanation to the 'stockholders' (for
that is just what advance subscribers are).

Thud

-- 
   Ted Thibodeau, Jr    a/k/a    Thud, Fyodor Ilyich Lobachevsky, Zamel
       61 Marion Street       Medford, MA  02155        617-395-9915
** Crash & Burn for Democracy! ** A Pan of Fudge in Every Fridge, and a **
*** Yerazunis for President! **** Net Connection in Every Living Room!! **
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: sprother@nyx.cs.du.edu (stevyn e prothero)
Subject: iron feather journal
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:11:24 GMT


iron feather journal
pobox 1905 boulder co 80306-1905
collection of phun tekno articles & gfx
also available
raver digest
international raver/techno zine by dj slopp-e stev
send $3 to get a copy of both.
if u have any questions, or comments pleze drop mail.
thanx
also, since i can't review my own shyt, could some else here review
the IFJ ? thanx all!
be seeing u
stevyn e protheroe
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: fps
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:42:57 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Aug13.235718.19654@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>Wow, didn't even know this group existed... well, here's my two cents:
>
>fps is an animation 'zine being published thrice yearly.  We're trying
>not to be a typical news'n'(p)reviews-type animation zine, and when we
>do fall into the trap of writing reviews we try to put a different spin
>on them than most.  If you're an animation fan who's interested in 
>animation from around the world and discussion thereof, drop us a line
>at

New address:

PO Box 36
Station H
Montreal, PQ
Canada H3G 2K5

>...or e-mail me at the addresses given below.  We're also looking for
>contributors, BTW.

==========================================================================
Emru Townsend        Fido: 1:167/133        emru@cam.org        BIX:switch
Q:  Do you know what the death rate around here is?    A:  One per person.
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: robcruic@intacc.uucp (Robert Cruickshank)
Subject: Electric Brain Massage Parlour
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:05:35 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS


Electric Brain Massage Parlour is a zine of electronic culture- we need
articles on computers, vr, stuff like that, but from the perspective of the
average person, ie, not ex-hippies from Berkely tanked up on smart drugs...
We are particularly interested in ideas about ideas about introducing the
non-techies of this world to the benefits of on-line communication at minimum,
or zero cost. Plus we welcome odd graphics and comix and stuph. For more info,
contact myself, robcruic@intacc.uucp, or bed@intacc.uucp, or
digitar@intacc.uucp, or hive@intacc.uucp 
thanx!
---rob 
ps- that should only be one "ideas about", unless you want to take it as
written, and be all postmodern about it...
----
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Cruickshank
robcruic@intacc.uucp
Inter/Access Artists' Center
Matrix BBS
Toronto, Canada
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore)
Subject: Lifetime Subs
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:25:10 GMT



Factsheet Five had the same proviso, lifetime of the zine or your lifetime,
whichever comes up first.  Subscriptions to ANY zine are risky.  I don't
accept subscriptions, and the same applies to the more scrupulous
publishers.  I list subscription info for zines only if that is the only
ordering information I have, otherwise I give the single issue price.

Most magazines, be they zines or big mainstream pieces of crap, last 3
issues.
From: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: Who Cares? Fanzine
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:43:15 GMT
Reply-To: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Whoops, I forgot to include my usnail address:
Who Cares?
c/o Steve Shapero
7537 Heatherton Lane
Rockville, MD 20854-3232

Please, don't send checks or money orders for stuff that's less than
$5.  If you do send a check or MO, please make them out to me, Stephen
Shapero. Thanks.

_______________________________________________________________________
Steve Shapero               "If you really want you can stay/It doesn't
sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil   matter anyway/Just as long as you know/
ed. who cares? fanzine       That I don't care if you go"-Velocity Girl
  *These are my ideas, and the navy don't got nuttin' ta do wit it*
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: PCHEM14@Zeus.unomaha.edu (FALL88)
Subject: Haymaker!  --  a Champions/Hero System zine
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:58:10 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


Greetings.  I am James Davis.  I run a zine dedicated to the Champions
game (and Hero System in general).  If you really like these subjects,
and always wanted to be in such a publication (feel you have something
to contribute to the system?), this may be the zine for you.

The basic contributor requirement is 2 typed pages every 3 monthes.  It
is pretty easy to make minimum contribution, most contributors go over
that with every submission.  I do.  The average size of an issue is 150
pages or so (although the next one may be quite a bit larger than that).
I try and get your copy to you at minimum expense, as low as $4.25 for
a 150 page issue (all costs covered, including shipping).  This works
out to almost 3 cents per page, which is not bad.  (Compare cost to
Adventurer's Club, which is a professional publication, but a bit more
expensive, and it's not too bad a price to ask.  Besides, I have no
real choice, I'm delivering at cost.)

If this intrests you, drop me a line.  Serious applications only, please.

James Davis
pchem14@zeus.unomaha.edu
davis@cwis.unomaha.edu
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Subject: Tai nasha no karosha !
Organization: Technical University of Vulcan
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT

Lets have a look if this really works !

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: alt.zines subject headers
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:24:18 GMT
Summary: a little organization would help 

This newsgroup would be a lot easier to read if people would
indicate in the header when they were hyping their zines.  Might
I suggest using  AD:  for example,

Subject: AD: Toad Sticker Quarterly
Summary: A magazine for those who enjoy toad impaling

Headers for articles from people who are looking for zines or publishers
could begin with  LOOKING:  as in  LOOKING:  Moorish Science Monitor

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: sprother@nyx.cs.du.edu (stevyn e prothero)
Subject: factsheet five
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 01:38:43 GMT


greets: 
a few years ago I was returning back to NH from michigan after seeing the
dead in ann arbor & the april 1st hash bash. while cruzing thro NY it was
the nite of mike gunderloys first or second F5 party. we stopped in late,
there was about 10 folks hanging out. we joined in but were ignored. i
remember the table out front stacked high with free zines & receords,
awsome find. mike escaped and showed me his archive, huge collection of
zines & materials he has stored, inspired me to try to save every thang i
find. he was a great guy, he was finishing his masters degree i think,
starting his new BBS, paying off the huge house<?> and doing good. since
we were road weary we just crashed out, woke and ran. I am really sad and
frustrated that mike bailed. even a factsheet five once a year would have
been kik ass.... the zine thang is suffering cuz of it, its been forced
underground & its hard to link...well. i think some-one can start it over?
IT WAS JUST ABOUT TO get huge... but those factsheet five memories are all
good to  me. if anything i owe mike cash for all the F5s he sent me while
i only did a few issues of my zine. gods bless F5
hey wots the close thang to F5? MMR? 
have phun all!
stevyn/iron feather journal

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: thud@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Ted Thibodeau Jr)
Subject: Factsheet Five
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:10:12 GMT


Does anyone know what's going on with FF lately?

I'm a Lifetime Supporting Subscriber, and haven't heard
anything since the first issue after Mike Gunderloy threw
in the towel....

It's kinda sad to think that FF might be dying...

Thud

-- 
   Ted Thibodeau, Jr    a/k/a    Thud, Fyodor Ilyich Lobachevsky, Zamel
       61 Marion Street       Medford, MA  02155        617-395-9915
** Crash & Burn for Democracy! ** A Pan of Fudge in Every Fridge, and a **
*** Yerazunis for President! **** Net Connection in Every Living Room!! **
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Subject: reviews: good idea / no resonance
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:22:46 GMT


hi ziners,
           once upon a time i thought i had a good idea.
i wanted to collect the dates of GERMAN zines (eg. prefered
styles, no. of releases per year, no. of copies per issue,
etc.) and invite people to send me their products (zines,
tapes, recs., cds, etc.) with one bonus copy for me and the 
choosen zines from my list. then i want to spread the 
products to these zines for reviews (saves money for mail-
charges).

i sent 17 letters to zines explaining the above...

as far as i know 3 of 17 zines printed my request (one of this
articles was total shit) and NULL people asked me for infos, etc.

what do you think about this idea? 


- tB!

ps - is germany interesting enough to get your stuff reviewed here?

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject:  zine production
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:43:01 GMT

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:

>OH, BTW -for anybody out there who publishes a zine, could you e-mail or post
>about, like, where you go to make copies, if it's possible to get copies made
>in the traditional magazine style of two-sided 8 1/2 x 22 (or whatever - 2 8
>1/2 x 11 pieces put together) at a local copy store, how much it costs on
>average, etc., since I'm thinking of starting my own...

  for four years i've been putting out a micro-booklet poetry, fiction,
philosophy zine at my campus.  formats have varied over the years according
to the sophistication of the distributed computing resources. currently
i format the whole thing on a mac and print it on our campus
laser printers for 5 cents a sheet.  each sheet has 8 quarter page size
pages that get cut and folded.  zines exist in multiples of 8 pages
and cost in multiples of 5 cents.  300 16 page booklets cost me $30.
and i drop them all over campus for free distribution!  Wheeeeee!
mucho fun.
From: thud@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Ted Thibodeau Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: Lifetime Subs
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:26:58 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Jerod Pore (jerod23@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
> Factsheet Five had the same proviso, lifetime of the zine or your lifetime,
> whichever comes up first.  Subscriptions to ANY zine are risky.  I don't

True. I am not griping so much over the magazine's demise as the lack
of communication regarding it. I figure that any zine that got 100$ or
more from an individual has an obligation to at least spend the 45-cents
(including paper, stamp, envelope, etc) it would cost to send a letter
saying "we're ceasing publication after the next issue (or two or whatever)"

This also gives the opportunity for those who had invested in the future
of the zine to invest further, and get more involved in it, by perhaps
becoming the new puiblisher. I tend to think that someone who found
this stuff interesting in and of itself would do more about it than
someone who simply thought they could do a better job at publishing...
and my understanding of this particular transfer is that Luce popped
out of nowhere at the right time for Gunderloy to dump his stuff...

*I* think *I* would have published for more than 1 issue, and I'm *broke*!

(My circulation may have fallen; I may have been reduced to a xerox-zine
for a few issues, but I would have published *something*!)

Thud

-- 
   Ted Thibodeau, Jr    a/k/a    Thud, Fyodor Ilyich Lobachevsky, Zamel
       61 Marion Street       Medford, MA  02155        617-395-9915
** Crash & Burn for Democracy! ** A Pan of Fudge in Every Fridge, and a **
*** Yerazunis for President! **** Net Connection in Every Living Room!! **
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Looking for info/ N0CTULPA
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:48:02 GMT

Hi peoples....
		I suppose there are other places I could put this but since
this group now exists, I will ask it here...

	Has anyone heard of the 'zine called Noctulpa?

	It was/is a horror anthology that came out several times a year
(am not quite sure how often) but I have not heard/seen of it in awhile
and was wondering if it is still around...

--
kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...
Newsgroups: alt.zines,alt.cyberpunk
From: sharvy@reed.edu (V Headshape)
Subject: mail art
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:38:35 GMT

What, exactly, is mail art?  Does it have a newsgroup?
-- 
Liberate the Weirdoes and You Liberate the Squares
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Subject: Tai nasha no karosha !
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:18:40 GMT

Organization: Technical University of Vulcan
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT
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Lets have a look if this really works !
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore)
Subject: FactSheet Five ftp
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:16:55 GMT



Once again, that ftp address is:

ftp.msen.com  /pub/newsletters/F5-E

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Subject: Tai nasha no karosha !
Reply-To: spock@vulcan.surak.edu
Organization: Technical University of Vulcan
Distribution: alt.zines
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT

Lets have a look if this really works !
From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Re: Factsheet Five
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:07:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

thud@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Ted Thibodeau Jr) writes:

>Second, I am suddenly most pissed at both Mr Gunderloy and Mr
>Luce.  I, some would say foolishly, shelled out a couple hundred
>dollars to become a lifetime supporting subscriber of what I had
>found to be a wondrous resource.  I received less than six issues
>from Mr Gunderloy, happily including the first music compilation
>cassette and the most recent edition of the Samisdat Method.

Well, that's the risk you take when you become a lifetime subscriber
to anything.  The only magazine that makes this clear (that I know
of) is Whole Earth Review (formerly CoEvolution Quarterly).  On
their subscription cards is the entry: Lifetime (yours or ours) ...


-- 
Roger Ritter N1FZZ (R.Ritter@ma30.bull.com) PP-ASEL, AGI
1946 Luscombe 8A N71983 "Rocky"
Sheep do not so much fly as plummet!        NH CAP: Profile 49
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: rmwaugh@nyx.cs.du.edu (go on go on)
Subject: Cool zine!#@
Summary:  Cool zine
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: sex sex sex cool sex sex sex zine sex sex sex
Organization: Society for teh Chronic DEVO 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:34:30 GMT

	Check out the Still Beating Heart by Paul Semel, he needs more reader,
and his zine is great!#@
	send 2 stamps to:
	Mental Press
	33 Aspen Road
	W. Orange, NJ 07052 


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Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore)
Subject: Reign o'Toads
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:22:26 GMT



I found "Reign of Toads" to be an interesting and entertaining article,
however it contained a few factual errors regarding the transfer of
Factsheet Five from Mike Gunderloy to Hudson Luce.  The most glaring of
which was the so-called 'six figures'  Unless those figures are all zeros,
or the transaction occured in Polish currency, that part was rather bogus.

Details regarding other errors will be posted later.

As for the request for organization in Usenet.  It is a noble request, but I
certainly don't wish to discourage zine producers from hyping their zines.
I am far more likely to be critical of a piece of crap zine than Mike
Gunderloy was.

Newsgroups: alt.smouldering.dog.zone,talk.bizarre
From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Multiple ttsessions & Common FIle Scope
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: alt
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:12:53

In article <BUZZ.92Aug17162904@toxicavenger.bear.com> buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes:
>   Can two discrete ttsession environments communicate through a common file
>   scope?  I think not, but I may be wrong.

It probably is the case that you need: Patch-ID# 100626-03

The problems this patch fixes are:

1085317 session-scoped patterns with no op fail
1074150 ttdbck doesn't open existing DB files and/or dumps core
1074612 crash in tt_message_send on file-scoped queued msg.
1066949 ttdbck -k <objid key> -x -F <file> <database> dumps core
1071723 Crash in tt_file_join("/usr/include/stdio.h") on victoria
1070440 core dump in tt_file_join during otype test
1068765 dbserver incorrectly resolves pathnames when exported symlinks are used
1071035 ToolTalk clients should not have to link with libX
1072772 File scope messages should not require X authority
1081742 auto-started clients that exit after handling cause problems
1077513 If a request is observed by its own sender, he won't be told when it fails.
1082628 Can't add ptype to classing engine DB when messages are start and queue
1084299 auto-starting caused by notices fails
1093746 File scoped messages do not work accross multiple ttsessions.
1095103 TT_BOTH patterns never match any message

In particular, bugid 1093746 says it all.

One question for my old colleagues back at Sun:

How did a bug of this magnitude make it into FCS ???
(Not wanting to put you guys on the spot or anything :-).

Cheers,

Geoff
--
geoff@bellcore.com
From: buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
Subject: Multiple ttsessions & Common FIle Scope
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:29:04 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@fsrg.bear.com
Distribution: alt
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.

Can two discrete ttsession environments communicate through a common file
scope?  I think not, but I may be wrong.  The environment is: many logins
to one machine, all running non-GUI apps.  OK, that means the .login gets
	exec ttsession -c $SHELL
At boot time, I wish to run a service that supports common needs of ALL the
users' apps; say, for example, ticket printing.  All users (running under
different ttsessions) fire up apps that join a common file /tmp/common_services.
Apps fire "print a ticket" messages into this scope; the "server" registers
interest in them and performs the operation.

So far I can't get it to work.  Am I missing something?  I know that the file
scoping mechanism works if I use the same ttsession (via $SUN_TT_SESSION) but
this solution is not possible.