From: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Kor episode 48 (**spoilers!**)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
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In a previous article, c60c-2gs@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Lone Wolf) says:

>
>
>Hi, Doug,
>
>In article <1992Dec14.180853.3768@pegasus.com> you write:
>
>>	If the Oav's take place (any of them) after episode 48, (and if
>>you assume that Madoka does know about Kyosuke's esp), wouldn't there
>>be some sign of it?  (Again, I don't know, I've only seen 4 oav's.. I
>>think Hurricane!  Akane.. is after episode 48, since he is 17 years old
>>by then.)
>
>	I thought the TV series ends with the couple about to graduate
>from high school.  In that case, OVA should've taken place during the

Nope.  They're still in 9th grade when it the TV show ended

>summer/year before their senior year.  But the better reason has always
>been that Madoka had no clue about Kyosuke's ESP power in the OVA's.
>(I'll explain.)
>
>>	I haven't seen the movie yet either..  any hints in there?  It
>>really seemed to me that when Kyosuke decided to return to that 'tree
>>scene' at the end, Madoka didn't remember anything.  Why?  Because the
>>chronology of the episode was like this:
>
>	It could be interpreted a little differently, IMHO. (I have
>not see the movie either, but...)
>
>>	1)  Kasuga is sleeping under the tree
>>	2)  Madoka finds him there
>>	3)  Kasuga learns of Madoka's first .. 6 years ago
>>	4)  Kasuga goes 6 years back in time
>>	5)  Kasuga meets the kid Madoka
>>	6)  Kasuga & Ayukawa's *1st* kiss
>>	7)  Grampa sends Madoka after Kyosuke
>>	8)  Madoka learns of the esp ability
>
>	This is as I remembered it.  However, Kyosuke did say that
>he wish he had been more honest and told her sooner.  At that point,
>knowing how Ayukawa distrust/dislike/fears the supernatural, he
>was expecting her to distant herself away from him.  She didn't;
>she laughted and said something like "So what the man I love happens
>to be a ESPer?"
>
>>	9)  Madoka says that she has fallen in love with him
>>       10)  Kazuya comes back to fetch the pair
>
>	Actually, he came to their rescue before that, but the couple
>more or less ignored him until he coughed for attention, just before
>the two could further show affection for each other. ;)
>

Madoka actually says she loves him, before Kyo^suke slips into that
alternate universe.  Kazuya is there when Kyo^suke finally gets back.

>>       11)  Kyosuke decides on the time to turn in...
>
>	No, that wasn't explicit.  One or both of them decided on

Yes it was.  Kyo^suke was the only one deciding when to go back.

>when to return; we only heard Kazuya asking, then next thing we
>know we are at the tree again, 6 years later (but a few hours earlier).
>
>
>>
>>	Now doesn't Kyosuke decide to return to time period #1?
>>
>>	If he does, theoretically, #'s 3-11 don't quite happen as
>>	they did before..
>>
>
>	Since we were inside Kyosuke's head at all time, we know
>he remembers, and he knows how events will unfold next.  My interpreation
>is that both of them remember, and chose to replay the scene, because:
>
>	1. both of them realized now that the Ayukawa's first love was/is
>	Kyosuke.  To go back to the point in time where Ayukawa teased
>	him about he not being her "first love" is...romantic...  
>	When Ayukawa re-mentions her "first" again, it now has even
>	great meaning then the first time--it's no longer just a fond 
>	memory from the past, but a truth of her life: she loves Koysuke,
>	had, and always will.  [ok, sorta weak, but make poetic sense
>	to me... :)]  
>
>	2. Kyosuke wanted her to know about his ESP; he had always felt
>	uneasy about deceiving her.  Remember that movie fiasco when 
>	his power was filmed on video tape?  Remember how he wished that
>	he had told her, instead of having her find out that way?  Now,
>	6 year ago, when she finally knows, and accepts him--all of him,
>	including his ESP powers, do you think he would give this up
>	by manipulating it so she wouldn't remember/experience this
>	at all?  Indicisive as he is, I don't think he was dumb enough
>	to put things back the way it was, because this is what he
>	really wanted all along...
>
>	3. Kyosuke KISSED her, and she WASN'T surprised, but was EXPECTING
>	it!!!!  Everyone, including Ayukawa, knows that Kyosuke is

Was she expecting it?

>	indicisive--not the type who normally would have to confidence
>	to kiss a girl, especially Ayukawa.  So, when Auykawa mentions
>	her "first," but wasn't surprised at all when Kyosuke replies
>	"And he still loves you," then kissed her, it was obvious to me 
>	that she remembered the trip through time as well.  
>
>>Someone let me know what they think..  I think it's kinda up in the
>>air, but that's my theory behind it..
>>
>
>	Yeah, it could be interpreted the other way easily, but I like
>my version...:)  With #47 and #48 ending the series, I rather have it

Not bad.  but i don't agree with it :)

>as the two finally able touch heart to heart rather than a kiss to
>cover a white lie...
>
>>
>>-- 
>>++++++Neo Jion Press+++++----
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>
>
>
>James Cheng
>
>


-Jei

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