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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:08:41 GMT

In article <66090@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
|> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) wrote:
|> }
|> }Net-quiz:    What rivalry is the Governor's Cup?  (Excuse me if I misnamed
|> }it - it might be the Governor's trophy).  
|> 
|> Kansas-Kansas State, Florida-Florida State, and Colorado-Colorado State.
|> 
|> }                                          First correct reply gets a 
|> }free Coke or LoneStar at Valhalla if you ever visit this wonderful city ....
|> 
|> I'll be expecting one of each.


Well Mark, you got me there.  Are all thoe rivalries called the Governor's
Cup?  None were the one I had in mind - should have known there were others.

Another hint.  To my knowledge (which has just been shown to be lacking
already), this state is the only one with its own alt.* newsgroup ....


|> 
|> -- 
|> Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
|>         "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
|>                    was what we meant to find."

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

Posing nude in _Playboy_ was "probably the best time of my life - except for
when I found God." - Jessica Hahn
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: n
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205910.8439@mdd.comm.mot.com> behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.150309.28665@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>So Washington can be undefeated, ranked #1 and not get invited to the 
>>Rose Bowl...  I LOVE IT!!!  Another year the Rose Bowl misses a Nat'l
>>Championship game!!
>
>
>This sounds good to me.  This way, maybe UW will go to the Orange Bowl and play
>UM, which will be a much better game, with more at stake, than let's say 
>a game against Michigan.  There is one downside to this and that is that I
>couldn't go to California to watch my team play.  I sure won't make the trip
>to Florida.  *sigh*  I guess that everything has a downside.

It's even better than you think: if U-Dub and UM-Coral Gables are going
to play in a #1 - #2 bowl match-up, it won't be in the Orange Bowl,
which has locked in the Big 8 champ (Colorado, natch).  Yep, in this
scenario, the Canez would be forced to venture out-of-town, yea, even
out-of-state, perhaps to the Fiesta Bowl (aka St. Giftopolous Field).

Of course, road games at Iowa, Penn State, Syracuse, and San Diego State
are likely to keep Miami out the top 2 :-)

But ... Mark Mitchell's bowl coalition summary reveals that Miami and
Washington might not meet in a bowl, even if they are #1 and #2 and
Washington doesn't go to the Rose Bowl.  Mark says:

>Part IV:  How are the Bowl Coalition members divided among the bowls?
>
>There are two possible cases:
>
>Case I:  The #1 and #2 teams are among the ACC champ, the Big East
>	 champ, and Notre Dame.
>
>	 In this case, the #1 and #2 teams play in the Fiesta Bowl.
>	 Then the Cotton, Orange, and Sugar Bowls choose from the
>	 remaining BCI teams.  The order of selection is determined
>	 by the rank of the team already locked into each bowl.  
>	 (Bowl with highest-ranked team first, etc.)
>
>Case II: The #1 and #2 teams are not both among the ACC champ, the
>	 Big East champ, and Notre Dame.
>
>	 In this case, the Cotton, Orange, and Sugar Bowls choose 
>	 from the BCI pool based on ranking of locked-in teams as
>	 above.  However, the ACC champ and Big East champ are 
>	 guaranteed a spot in one of these three bowls.  The remaining
>	 two BCI teams then go to the Fiesta Bowl.

Assuming Miami is the Big East champ, and Washington is the Pac 10
runner-up (which is eligible for Bowl Coalition I), case II holds.  If
the Big East champ's guaranteed spot in one of the Cotton, Orange, or
Sugar Bowls is actually a requirement, then Miami will play against
either the SWC, Big 8, or SEC champ -- not Washington.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:22:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <66089@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
>}
>}Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
>}Cougar battles in the Apple Cup are legends around these parts, but I suppose
>}that the Apple Cup is a poor victim of the vicious ECMB.
>
>Let's see, would that be Everyone Calls a Mismatch Boring?  
>
>Washington holds a 54-24-6 advantage over Washington State in the
>"Apple Cup" series.  That's not a rival, that's a punch drunk sparring
>partner.

Mark!!  No offense, but please don't be a total putz about a game and 
tradition that you don't know much about.  The contests have always been 
very close.
But then, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about UW-WSU, since you
go to Georgia Tech and you get lotsa Florida coverage from the media.

>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
>                   was what we meant to find."


Have fun...

:)
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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: SDSU vs. USC
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:27:32 PDT

Is anyone else intrigued by this matchup?  I think it should
be an interesting game.  The Aztecs have some key players at
several skill positions, but across the offensive and
defensive lines, USC should be much stronger.  Still in all,
I think with the right play calling, the Aztecs have a chance
to win, especially in SD.  Should be a good game, and a real
test for SDSU.

-Roger
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NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
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From: lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Miami losing a game
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:33:58 GMT

In article <Bsvq8y.Ls7@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
> bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:
> 
> [ stuff about Miami delete ]
> 
> >You guys just keep talking like this.  As long as Miami thinks they have
> >nothing to worry about when they play Iowa this fall, it will be easier
> >for us to beat them.  But for those of you who do NOT think Miami is the
> >god of college football, the Canes play the Hawks Sept. 5.  They play
> >in Kinnick Stadium (Iowa City) and it will be Miami's first game of the
> >year.  The Hawks will have already played N.C. State.  So if you really
> >want to know when the first Cane loss will be, look no farther than
> >Sept. 5.  But for those of you that don't believe me, shh, we wouldn't
> >want to worry the Mighty Canes.
> 
> Someone told me that this will be the first night game ever at Iowa.
> Also that Iowa is pumped up for this game like it is the biggest game they
> have ever played.  I talked to a few Cane fans at the spring practice, that
> did feel Iowa would be the hardest team this year for the Canes.  Didn't
> Miami play Iowa two years ago, and is this the same type of offense.
> 
> If Iowa is really pumped up any think could happen.  But, if Iowa just
> runs the ball most of the time it will be four downs and out for Iowa.
> This is the best defense Miami has ever had IMHO.  Rusty Medearis
> delights in terrorizing quarterbacks.  Rusty is a force of one.


Wasn't it two or three years ago, big bad Miami was going to blow
away BYU on it's home turf, something about Miami ragging about how
they were going to introduce Detmer to the turf thought-out the game.
Hmmm, WAC powerhouse BYU came out a 28-21 winner. 


John L
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fair Weather Fans
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:21:52 GMT
Organization: Chevron

Valdis WHATSHEESHNAME? Kalejs writes:
>>>I think they call a football fan such as you a "fair-weather" fan, rather
>>>than a "loyal or die-hard fan". But dont worry,most sports fans are!
>>>Fight On,
>>>Valdis Kalejs
>
And again, with unyielding fury, WHATSHEESHNAME? writes:
>Here's the real definition. A "fair weather fan" is a person who ONLY truly 
>pledges their support when their team is doing well, or during "fair weather"
>times,then drops out of sight when things aren't going so well. But what would
>Cardinal fans know what support and loyalty REALLY mean?
>
>Fight On,
>Valdis Kalejs

Dear Mr. Valdis Wotsheeshname,

As distinguished President and Military Strongman of the Institute for 
Geauxing But Not Really Kneauxing Things, I would like to say that I, too, 
have become a recent admirer of your net.work.  Upon initial investigation 
of these masterpieces of TreauxJan Lore and Fame, I concluded (albeit 
too quickly) that your views were insightful and enlightening.  But, alas, 
I soon forsook my trivial impressions for the revelation of just how blind 
and close-minded your prose can be upon further inspection.   

Thus, this letter.  I behoove you to display extreme caution if approached
by any goobers-bearing-papers-of-gooberness-certification.  I have
realized your true worth and the value-added potential you could give to
our fine institute of higher yearning.  DON'T SIGN ANYTHING!!!!

It is MY extreme hope that you will take your divinely appointed place
along side my other star pupil, Roy Navarre, Ph.D. in Geauxing & Kneauxing, 
Tooing and Freauxing. 

If interested in visiting our stately and elegant campus located in
historical Mamou, LA, please return the encleauxsed Neauxtice of Certification 
in the self-addressed, get-your-own-stamp, enveleauxpe.


				    Sincerely,

                                    James Jeauxseph Clyde
                                    President and Strongman
				    Institute for Geauxing & Kneauxing
                                    
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Fair Weather Fans
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:51:45 GMT

In article <l932seINNgg8@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>
> Jason,
>
>Here's the real definition. A "fair weather fan" is a person who ONLY truly 
>pledges their support when their team is doing well, or during "fair weather"
>times,then drops out of sight when things aren't going so well. But what would
>Cardinal fans know what support and loyalty REALLY mean?
>
>Fight On,
>Valdis Kalejs
>
>
>
Valdis,

Well, I can't even argue with your definition of a fair weather fan.  My point was that he was pledging support for the Trojans, just not expecting great things from them this year.  But what would a Trojan fan know about understanding a basic concept explained in writing.  Even when Stanford's teams do poorly, it's academics will always be top ten.  Can you spell REAL SCHOOL?

The Cardinal will pump and pump until they break the Trojans.
Jason Gische
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:02:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) wrote:
}
}The Southern conference does not exactly own the IAA championship trophy.

No, but counting Georgia Southern (which joins the SC beginning next year)
they've taken 7 of the last 8.  I would call that dominant.  (However,
for a couple of those championships, Georgia Southern benefitted from
a Miami-style home field advantage for the championship game.)

}Of course, this could be because all of these ACC teams (excepting Clemson)
}aren't as great as some people think.
}
}Nah...........

Nah is correct.  The reason Clemson hasn't struggled against a SC team is
because they only play the weak ones.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UPI/NFF Top 25 Preseason Poll
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:10:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chocaholics Anonymous


Here is the preseason UPI/NFF Top 25 poll for the upcoming college
football season as reported in today's _Houston Chronicle_:

 1. Miami	(52)
 2. Washington	(29)
 3. Notre Dame	( 5)
 4. Fla. St.	( 1)
 5. Michigan	
 6. Florida	( 3)
 7. Alabama
 8. Penn St.
 9. Texas A&M
10. Syracuse	( 1)
11. Oklahoma	
12. Nebraska
13. Iowa
14. Colorado
15. Georgia
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
19. California
20. Ohio St.
21. Tennessee
22. Miss. St.
23. Virginia
24. USC
25. Ga. Tech


-- 
                Vince Rhee |
  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | ...and I would have gotten away with it, too,
         Department of ECE | if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!
       University of Texas |
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Subject: Penn State press conference notes
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:36:19 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

I listened to a good portion of today's press conference tonight on the one of
the sports talk shows. The general concensus of the hosts was that it yielded
no big suprises. Joe Pa gave his typical were gonna be a young football team.
His main concerns are the punting game, quarterback inexperience and the
offensive line. 

The punting game is definitely a big question mark. Joe said he was
disappointed with it this spring. Their names are Jamie Dreese and V.J.
Muscillo. Dreese has punted five times in his Lion career and Muscillo has
none. 

I personally don't think the QB inexperience will be a big problem. Kerry knows
going into the season he's the man and I think he'll be ready come Sept 5th.

Rich McKenzie will be starting the season with the team. Joe did say however
that he barely made his standards and that they will be keeping an eye on his
progress in school. This gives Penn State possibly the best two outside 
backers in the country with Rich and Reggie Givens. Coach Paterno commented 
that people have been asking him about the inside LB position. He didn't seem 
too concerned with it. Brett Wright is also returning and is one of the four 
Penn State captains. They also have two other players who saw considerable
action last year, but their names 


One suprising note was that I had listed Brian Milne as one of the fullbacks
and it was brought out today that he will not be with the team this year. He is
going to concentrate on track. Brian would have qualified to go to the Olympics
in Barcelona, but he scratced on his final throw in the discuss.  

I believe The offensive line will hold it's own this year. They have four 5
year players coming back from last year. Gerak and Huntington will anchor one
side of the line. Sandusky will probably line up at center and tackle Todd 
Rucci has recovered from knee surgery. The line also has four red-shirt 
freshman who will probably see plenty of minutes in the first five games. 
Two of those boys go 300+ pounds. Coach Anderson will have them ready to play. 
He only had half a year to work with them last year and now that he's had a 
full season to work with them, they'll be ready. 

Tisen Thomas is not expected to be ready until the 4th or 5th week so they are
planning on using Richie Anderson at the flanker position. 

Go Lions!!! Beat the Bearcats!!!

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: re: Respect for NC State
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:15:28 GMT

In article #17538, Jeff Butera writes:

>>>Rob Black writes:
>>We . . . have 3 proven QB's coming back 
>>>If there are three of them, what exactly did they prove?
>     - Pat

[NCSU QB Flack.....]

>in the last 2 minutes for a come from behind victory against Marshall.

>week he leads us in another come from behind victory against Duke, scoring
>

>>Yeah, but Rob the real question is: why is State "coming from behind" against
>>Duke and (who?) Marshall?

>>Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu


Apparently you do not keep up with Division 2 of the NCAA. Marshall was
in last year's football final four for the Div. 2 and I think that they
ended up losing in the finals as well. They are obviously no patsy, much
like Dick Sheridan's teams at Furman in the early 80's. I would put the
Top 5 in Div. 2 aginst a lot of teams in the Top 25 any day of the week.

However, my point to this post was merely to say that just because Duke
and Marshall are not exactly Fla St. and Miami does not make my point
about our QB's any less valid. Maybe we shouldn't have been down in those
games but we were. Under much pressure, those QB's led us to victory.


Rob Black                   black@concert.net             Raleigh, NC


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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: another good Purdue QB?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:44:36 GMT

bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:

>I have heard from someone very close to the Purdue team and in contact
>with Hunter that he is in very good shape and understands the
>offense.  He might live up to the expectations of him from last year,
>maybe.  

>He might be a surprise for many this year, especially if he has an
>offensive line that can block for him.

>Gary Beason

Will RB Cory Rogers be eligible/playing this fall?  

John Althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <65796@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
#  (BTW, it's
#all the fault of those cheatin' Florida Gators.  If they hadn't
#been on probation it would have (1) made them a stronger MNC
#candidate, possibly drawing votesaway from BYU and (2) made for
#one less bowl slot, probably leaving Michigan in the cold and
#sending a better team to the Holiday Bowl. :-) )

Is this at all surprising?  I mean, isn't everything bad that happens in
this world the fault of the Cheatin' Chickens?  To think that they could
have lost to Notre Dame in the Aloha Bowl, leaving SMU to go to the Holiday.
Imagine how that would have cleared up the situation!  BYU would even have
been "tested" that year if they had won.  We can probably further place the 
entire blame on the perennial cheater, Charley Pell:  if he hadn't blown
the Miami game in the final 45 seconds then Florida might have garnered more
than a few votes for #1, even on probation.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: The Line on aTm and Standford
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:13:53 GMT

Is there a line on the Texas A&M and Standford?

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
From: noonan@icd3.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Football
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:32:05 GMT

I wrote:
>And not that this is worth
>anything, but BGI (Blue & Gold Illustrated - the Notre Dame football
>propaganda rag) does predict USC to beat the Irish by one this year
>at USC.


Valdis Kalejs writes:

>I'm stumped on why
>ND's "propaganda rag" would make such a prediction,to maybe only piss off
>the team and have something to post in their locker room. Any explainations?

Well, I believe the magazine *is* independent of the university, and I
believe the writers are sports writers from the South Bend Tribune, so
maybe "propaganda rag" was a *little* strong.  Maybe not.  But this is
the only loss the magazine predicts.  It predicts a one point victory
over Michigan, and a victory over Penn State with a little larger margin
on the basis that "there's no way they can win three in a row over ND,"
(or something like that) and they mention that its at home.  They do
speak of Paterno being a problem for Holtz.  Last year they predicted a
loss to Penn State, but victory over Tennessee, and I can't remember
what they said about Michigan.  (I'm sure you know ND lost all these.)

This is all on memory as I do not have a copy with me.

Needless to say, their opinions are not necessarily my own.

-Mike Noonan
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami losing a game
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:38:57 GMT

bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:

[ stuff about Miami delete ]

>You guys just keep talking like this.  As long as Miami thinks they have
>nothing to worry about when they play Iowa this fall, it will be easier
>for us to beat them.  But for those of you who do NOT think Miami is the
>god of college football, the Canes play the Hawks Sept. 5.  They play
>in Kinnick Stadium (Iowa City) and it will be Miami's first game of the
>year.  The Hawks will have already played N.C. State.  So if you really
>want to know when the first Cane loss will be, look no farther than
>Sept. 5.  But for those of you that don't believe me, shh, we wouldn't
>want to worry the Mighty Canes.

Someone told me that this will be the first night game ever at Iowa.
Also that Iowa is pumped up for this game like it is the biggest game they
have ever played.  I talked to a few Cane fans at the spring practice, that
did feel Iowa would be the hardest team this year for the Canes.  Didn't
Miami play Iowa two years ago, and is this the same type of offense.

If Iowa is really pumped up any think could happen.  But, if Iowa just
runs the ball most of the time it will be four downs and out for Iowa.
This is the best defense Miami has ever had IMHO.  Rusty Medearis
delights in terrorizing quarterbacks.  Rusty is a force of one.
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Years of eligibility question
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:44:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug12.172804.7959@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.damn.emulator.dieckmann) writes:
> So, the RU newcomers report and missing from the group
> is one of their top recruits, Reggie Funderburke of Hyattsville,
> Md.  It seems Jason had major surgery on his shoulder and will
> enter school for the start of the second semester.  This begs my
> question, Is Jason then considered part of the 1993 incoming class
> and eligible to be redshirted as a freshman next year?
> Or is he considered medically redshirted for this year,
> with 4 years of eligibility remaining?

Grumble, grumble, grumble.  friggin' emulator.
I mean Reggie, not Jason (wrong broken-shouldered-incoming recruit).

-- 
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