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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Motorsport computer games
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.games
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:59:52 GMT

In article <28516@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Steve Wyrick <sjwyrick@csa3.lbl.gov> writes:
>Motorsport computer games
>I'd be very interested in any other responses. I have a Mac IIsi and the

you should ask this question in comp.sys.mac.games.
one game worth checking out is Test Drive II: The Duel,
which is basically the Cannonball race on public roads.
there are a number of different courses, in california or
elsewhere.  you can have cars like ferrari F40, porsche 959,
corvette ZR-1, ferrari testarossa, etc.  i've also seen a
muscle cars module - can't remember what's in it, but probably
pontiac GTO, plymouth roadrunner, etc.

it's fun to play, but i don't think it's all that realistic.
for example, you can nail the throttle at 30 mph and accelerate
hard out of a sharp corner in the F40.  if you did that in real
life you would swap ends in the blink of an eye.

follow-ups to comp.sys.mac.games.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mike@schleppo.bocaraton.ibm.com (Mike Dahmus)
Subject: Re: Selling Saturns in Japan (Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car))
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:22:40 GMT
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17c by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: mike@schleppo.bocaraton.ibm.com (Mike Dahmus)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <C17Hnq.4KC@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>
>Here in Canada (or Ontario to be more specific), I do not notice that many
>Saturns are running on the streets.  My suspicion is that they are not selling
>that well.  In the US, the strongest selling point of Saturn so far I can see is
>extremely good dealer service, which is not available here (Saturns are sold
>through Isuzu/Saab/Saturn dealers), thus the mediocre sale.  So when Saturn is
>to hit Japan in 1994, in order for it to be successful, not only the product has
>to be right, good service must also be there.

First you need to make sure that your dealers are in fact stocked with cars!
Down here in South Florida, few dealers have many cars on the lots - so I
would assume that if the Canadian dealers are relatively new to the market,
they haven't been able to get many cars. (Here in Florida, they've been on
sale for a couple of years, so many people were able to get the cars before
the supply shortages).

>I may be pessimistic, but if Saturn is to be sold through Toyota dealers in Japan
>(correct me on this), it will certainly lost its strongest virtue.

I don't see as how they have any choice, since it's extremely difficult for
a foreign automaker to set up a dealership in the country. I guess GM'll have
to hope that word-of-mouth spreads in Japan like it did here in the U.S.
---
Mike Dahmus                                    PenPM Development
mike at schleppo.bocaraton.ibm.com             Not an official IBM spokesman
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga)
Subject: Re: 1994 Pontiac GTO
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:46:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.155441.28455@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>> (stuff removed) <<
>>
>
>and so has anyone heard if pontiac has given an official 'go' for the gto?
>and when will it arrive?  also, btw, will the 94 grandams have airbags?

I heard that the Pontiac people said that the 3.4 litre engine did not 
give the "feel" associated with the GTO name and was no longer being 
considered.  They did not offer any other suggestions.

Jim Pacyga
From: gary_crum@next.com (Gary Crum)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 6-speed in Camaro Z28, and shifting restriction in Corvette
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:57:59 GMT

I heard in three different places (two magazine articles and on Car Talk  
radio) that the current 6-speed manual transmission in Corvette cars  
restricts access to 2nd gear at certain times.  That is, at certain (low?)  
throttle levels, the driver is prevented from shifting from 1st to 2nd,  
and must shift from 1st to 4th, for example.  On Car Talk it was stated  
that the restriction is in place so that the car would not require the  
buyer to pay a gas guzzler tax.  Presumably the engine has enough power to  
allow such gear skipping.  Maybe the 2nd gear lockout would occur at high  
throttle levels and not low throttle levels, but even in that case the  
restriction would be significant to me (or maybe even more so since high  
throttle is when power is desired).

Does anyone know about this issue, and most importantly, if it is true,  
then is it also in place (or will it be in place) in the new Camaro Z28  
which has a similar LT-1 engine to the one in the Corvette, and a 6-speed  
transmission?  A salesman at a Chevrolet dealer said that there was no  
such restriction.

Anyone else interested in the Camaro?  Versus the Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4?

Thanks,
Gary


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Volvo 850 question
Keywords: Volvo 850
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:48:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.160725.25377@cbnewse.cb.att.com> valmh@cbnewse.cb.att.com (valentin.m.hossu) writes:
>Does anybody have concrete experience with the new Volvo 850. I already
>read most of the official publications. I am looking for first hand experience.
>Also, I'd like to know about your experience of dealing with Volvo when
>problems arise.
>
I had a pre-production 850GLT in a week-long test last summer.
I came away from it with mixed emotions, and still have not
decided how I really feel about it.  Nice job on the engineering
side, but I wondered then and now whether they stuck too close
to the typical Volvo styling queues.  It proved to be a very
nice driver and wasn't a typical "fwd feel".  There were also a
few nits I noticed/didn't like but I've got to see if any of these
have been corrected on the production version.

I have also owned 2 Volvos, both new (82 and 85 245). EXTREMELY
BAD experience with the '82 with numerous problems and an 
indifferent attitude on behalf of Volvo.  Finally gave up and
took a chance with the 85, which was problem-free.  Unfortunately
that vehicle was totalled.

bob

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kokerj@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Subject: Re: Toyota Sera
Reply-To: kokerj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:49:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.150234.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>, byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
|> In article <1jngc6INNmpk@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
|> 
|> About the Toyota Sera:
|> 
|> > --It was on the auto show circuit a couple of years ago.  I believe it
|> >   is based on the Tercel platform.  The Sera is on sale in Japan only,
|> >   I think, although I believe some specialty importers in the UK sell
|> >   them there.
|> > 
|> >   Unfortunately, we get the Toyota Paseo.  Can you think of living with
|> >   boredom on wheels?
|> 
|> Paseos are not nearly as boring/ugly as Saturns which seem to
|> have a big following on this newsgroup. Interestingly I have
|> yet to hear anyone say much about how Saturns look an awful
|> lot like Olds Cutlass Supremes. So much for the so call "new"
|> GM car.

I would not claim that the Saturn is a Porsche in Cutlass clothing 
(I believe that the resemblance is so obvious that it goes without
saying), but the Paseo is pretty stupid looking...as is the mx-3 and
the nx2000. But then again, people don't buy Japanese cars for their
looks. There must be some other reason but i haven't figured it out...8)
 
|> 
|> 	Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager
|> 	University of Pennsylvania
|> 	Medical School Computer Facility
|> 	Philadelphia, PA 19104 (USA)
|> 	Internet: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu

--Jim
"If it's not German, it's not worth driving"
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: slick 50
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:44:44 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <C1F2JG.A9B@trc.amoco.com>
   zrol01@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay) writes:

> You don't need Slick-50 or STP or any of the additives.  If they were
> needed the oil companies would have incorporated them long ago.

I think oil companies will incorporate whatever they think there
is a market for.  Some companies like AMSOIL and REDLINE have been
selling auto consumer oriented synthetic oils for years.
Recently I've seen Vavoline and other major brand labels on
synthetics in local car parts shops.  The oil companies are just
being "market driven."

I think what's driving the interest in all these magic and
non-magic additives that cars are getting more and more expensive.
Old attitudes like "oh, just drive the car into the ground,
because it won't last anyway" are being questioned.

I used to race GT-3 and I used a Mecca 6" full-flow filter.  If I
remember correctly, this filter provided 3-6 micro filtration
and could flow 45 gallons/minute of hot 30w engine oil.  These
filters are popular on Grand National cars and some big-block
racers.  When these filters are used with small engines, they
last a long time.  Mecca sells a two-pointer mechanical oil
pressure gauge that is intended to show the oil pressure before
and after their oil filter.  When the pointers show a difference
of more than a couple of psi, it's time to change the filter.
These filters can be disassembled, and the internal filter elements
can be inspected and replaced when need.  There is also an optional
magnetic trap - it really works.

My point is, consumer interest has created an market for synthetic
oils.   I wonder if "better" oil filters will follow?   An alternate
question is whether "jiffy-lube"-type businesses will REDUCE the
market demand for retail oil and oil filters.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 6-speed in Camaro Z28, and shifting restriction in Corvette
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:50:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gary_crum@next.com (Gary Crum) says:

>Anyone else interested in the Camaro?  Versus the Mitsubishi 3000GT-VR4?

>Thanks,
>Gary

no contest!!!! 'maro all the way!!!(though the bird's better, both look
better, IMHO) i'd be happy to tell you what i know abt the tranny thing,
but i'm sure someone more qualified will.  If they do not, email me and 
i'll share what i know!
hasta
DREW
From: abrandt@clam.rutgers.edu (Harriet H. Frau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Pros/Cons of 4WD?
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:52:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am very close to purchasing a '93 Isuzu Rodeo with a V6.  I have settled on
everything except whether to get 4wd or 2wd.  I live in Central Jersey
where inclement weather is not frequent (ie. few snow storms, ice, etc.)

Here are some questions:

What does the lack of 4WD do to a SUV when it comes time to resell?

I will use the truck farther north in the snow, and back
road driving in the summer.  Are there other driving situations where
drivers have found 4wd to be a bonus?  

I look for any illuminaton on 4WD vs 2WD in general, and anyone who
has had experience with the Isuzu Rodeo 4WD system.

Please email me with comments, or post if you think your reply is universally
relevant.

Thanks.

Harriet

abrandt@clam.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rick@posms.cactus.org (Rick Kirchhof)
Subject: Re: Engine difficult to start
Organization: Department of Redundancy Dept., Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:24:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.005159.23133@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>Could someone offer some advice on what to do here?
>
>I have a 1980 Buick Electra. 350/5.7L, 8 cylinder....
>When I bought the car -- maybe june of last year -- I was told that the
>carb was bad. (I've been too cheap to fix/replace it)
>
>It's always been a bit difficult to start -- I go through this routine of
>"pump the gas 3 times, start the car, give it some gas, and hope it works."
>It has worked reasonably well this way, though it's always been more difficult
>to start when it has been sitting for a day.
>
[remainder deleted]

Sounds like no accelerator pump function.  It is possible (though not
likely) that the spray you used hardened or shrunk the accelerator pump
seal.

To verify function, remove the air cleaner, hold the choke open with your
finger, and look into the choke area while opening the throttle.  There
should be a spray of liquid fuel down each barrel in the primary side.
Repeat the test looking to see if you can move the throttle from the 
idle position without seeing fuel.  If no fuel or only a dribble, the
accelerator pump is not working.  Likewise, if the throttle cam be moved
from the idle position any at all without a spray, you have problems.  
If the linkage is working, the pump will have to come out and be replaced.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: esa@audiofax.com (Esa Ahola)
Reply-To: esa@audiofax.com (Esa Ahola)
Subject: Care and feeding of a sunroof
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:49:28 EST
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I am contemplating getting a power sunroof (moonroof??) when I buy a
new car in the near future.

What concerns me is how well a sunroof will hold up over the years in a
car that won't be garaged.  What kind of preventive care is recommended
(cleaning and conditioning the seal, for example?)  Are wind noise and
leaks inevitable?

I live in the Deep South, in case climate makes a difference.

Please e-mail replies, I will post a summary.  If you choose to post
your reply, please e-mail me a copy; our newsfeed presently excludes
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From: jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: best car ads
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:33:05 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <ILH.93Jan27123904@chicago.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.202333.2895@osf.org>
>kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>   One of the most interesting ads I've seen was the Volvo commercial
>   for what I guess was the (just introduced?) 7X0-series, where they
>   drive a Volvo off the end of a raised road, and it lands on it's
>   nose, turning it into an accordion (but only for about a foot),
>   slides about 10 feet, and comes to rest on it's (intact!) wheels.
>   It looks like you could have re-started it and driven away.
>
>Or how about that Volvo ad after that where they drove a monster truck
>over one with no apparent damage.  Too bad that they were later sued
>(and lost) for having beefed up the interior with wood beams and
>braces before the stunt.  I'll never trust another Volvo add again.
>--
>
>                                Lee Hetherington
>                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu


I've actually heard alot of reports about people being injured in
Volvos because the body is too rigid.  Most new cars are designed
to crumple in a crash, thus absorbing the impact, Volvos are built
like a tank, therefore the body is left to absorb the impact
of the crash.

Can anyone provide iany information to support/negate these reports?

Jeff
jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: What compression value should I expect on a 87 Tercel?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:59:38 GMT

In article <1k7emcINNsmf@bigboote.WPI.EDU> damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon F. Gentile) writes:
>>I recently bought a used 1987 Toyota Tercel 3 dr.liftback. I had a compression
>>test done on it before buying and got compression values around 170 in all 
>>four cylinders. The range was 166-172. Is this OK?
>
>170 what ?!?   
>that seems a bit high for an 87 toyota hatchback to be in psi....

Because of cam timing, and the low rpm during cranking, most engines don't
give a compression ratio indicative of their compression ratio (that's
what I've heard).  170 psi gives something like a 11.3 compression ratio,
something not seen since the 60's.  I would expect something more like
120 psi (8:1 compression ratio).
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kokerj@jec309.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Subject: Re: '90 Honda Accord sedan question
Reply-To: kokerj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:30:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.210343.20941@Lehigh.EDU>, lusol@Lehigh.EDU (Stephen O. Lidie) writes:
|> As warranty work my Accord is going in for a new "clutch chain assembly". What
|> the heck is that?
|> 
|> BTW this is Accord #5 ... they are sure nice cars....

Then why did you have to buy 5? :-)

|> SOL
|>
From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: >>> how do i get taurus' antenna down? <<<
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:04:46 GMT
Reply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


   Harv,

   >If it's not a power antenna, and it's the stock 1-piece steel "whip" style
   >Taurus antenna, it does NOT go down. It'll go thru a car wash just fine.

       Are you sure it will survive the car wash?  My '92 Taurus GL's antenna
   is the "fixed" type and yes, it is flexible, but I've been afraid to take
   it through the car wash...it doesn't seem that flexible.

       GM now makes a metallic compound antenna for their "fixed" antenna that
   are very flexible and will endure car washes.  Ford is yet to sell these.

   FWIW,
   Tony
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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Probe GT suspension
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:59:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <bob1.727651905@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>In <1993Jan19.222331.17633@ulysses.att.com> jdt@ulysses.att.com (Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd]) writes:
>
>>Well, I'm not the original person, but since I test-drove a new GT, I
>>can venture a guess -  the Probe doesn't "stay put" on the road. 
>>Instead, it reacts to every change in the road and the body is
>>almost constantly moving as a result.  I don't care that the ride
>
>Oh sh*t, was this one of the improvements? My 89 will accelerate
>quite reasonably from a dead stop with no hands and straight down
>the road. At speed, it tracks like a cannonball down a chimney.
>Guess I'll have to go back to GM for the next one.

Just another data point...
I've put 3K on my GT, and I'd have to disagree vehemently with Mr. Trudel.
Mine tracks like the aforementioned cannonball, and is surprisingly good
in the rain.  I haven't heard Mr. Trudel's experience mirrored elsewhere 
(except for the pre-93 turbo GTs).

Someone in the Saturn mailing list who also has a 93 Probe GT mentioned that 
the Eagles don't do so well in snow, but that's hardly a problem here.

>>itself is harsh, but the chassis is seemed unsettled all the time.
>>It's something that I would hope new struts can fix.

The 93 Probe GT is certainly a firm ride; if you like a soft ride, the MX-6 LS
might be a better choice.


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 perish together as fools."  -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mjv8557@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Mark J. Vandiver)
Subject: Re: getting tree sap off car body
Organization: be41t
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:19:13 GMT

fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi) writes:


>Anyone have any hints or tip on removing tree sap
>drops of the body of the car???

>Thanks,

I have had great results with a product called
3M tar and wax remover (or something to that affect)

I get it at your local automotive paint supply store,
is rather spendy, 10.00 a quart or so, but it will remove
almost anything from a paints surface, and LEAVE THE PAINT!

I have used it to remove pine tree sap, no problem! 
CTo remove unwanted undercoating overspray.
To remove grease and wax residues before painting, (what it was
designed for). To remove a strip of paint that was a result
of a near collision. I suspect that this was due to the car
was well waxed, and the paint smudge was on top of the wax,
and I removed the wax, therefore the smudge. But it is
great stuff. I even used it to clean the brushes on my model
train as well as teh motor.

It comes in a quart sized tin, rectangular in shape, with a 
red and white painted on label, covered with warning label!
The cost is offset by the fact the it just takes a dab on a           
soft cloth to do most stubborn jobs.

C
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: msyed@hilbert.coe.northeastern.edu
Subject: Importing from Europe
Originator: msyed@hilbert
Organization: CDSP Computing Lab, Northeastern University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:59:51 GMT

Would any of you net folks know what is the procedure to
import a car from Europe for personal use. I would appreciate
information about customs (the various taxes), the standards
the car would have to conform to etc.
 
Thanks
From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA


	Well, I have always washed the engines of the cars I have owned
at least twice a year.  Have NEVER had a problem.  I get one of those
GUNK sprays they sell at the auto-parts store. 

	Here is what I do (most is in the instructions for the spray):
	
	1) warm the engine up for at least 20 mins.
	2) shut it off, seal air intake...
	3) spray the stuff..
	4) 5 mins. later rinse it all off real well..
	5) open up the intake again, and run the engine for another 20 mins.
	
	I have never had any premature rust, if anything I have had many 
mechanics/friends say that my engine looks like new. It also makes the car
easier/less messy to work on...

	Weird, but I thought this was a 'normal' thing to do to cars.  After
reading some of this thread I realize that this is not true...

_RV
	
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