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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:59:44 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant
              6 Jan 1993 17:33:13 CST from <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:33:13 CST Carol Slingo said:
>As a curiosity, here is the entire review of Amy Grant's album "Unguarded"
>from the Bombay film-music-TV paper "Screen" (November ..., 1992):
>

Carol,

I could be wrong, but my understanding of the religious ethnography of
India is that the Bombay area is at least nominally Christian, since it
is part of the area to which Francis Xavier brought the Gospel.
This would make the review which you cited at least nominally Catholic,
since Catholicism would be the dominant expression of Christianity in
that area.

I am, of course, open to correction on this.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:05:08 EST
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Small Group Church -- my personal testimony

Jon Reids personal testimony is wonderful.  It reminds us that there is a job
to do to reach others that God is waiting upon.  If God was not merciful and
did not desire that more would be saved, so many more would perish.  This is
why when one side of us cries "Jesus please come and end this torment,the other
side cries "Wait a little longer, please Jesus."We can stand what we feel
persecutes us, because we know that Jesus is with us.  So, we always have help
to give that extra mile.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:18:44 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Being a faithful witness
              11 Jan 1993 10:12:49 CST from <sweberg@GARFIELD.WES.ARMY.MIL>

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:12:49 CST Scott D. Weberg said:
>But then you have to gauge their response; sometimes you just shut up
>and wait for another time, and sometimes you can go a little further.
>I have not met anyone really hostile, yet.  If I ever had someone
>tell me what shirt I couldn't wear, I don't know what I would do!  I
>think I would at least wear a different Christian shirt; one that
>didn't show any blood and guts :-)  An outright attack might be
>enough to ignite new levels of boldness in me!

MAKS> I remember one that was good. I think the fron had a picture of
      Jesus with "He loves me" under it. The back was a picture of
      Satan with a caption of "He loves me not".

>
>Here is a question:  Should we always wait for someone to ask us a
>question, or should we be bold enough to go to someone and begin a
>dialogue about Christ, or church, or Bible study, or something like
>that?  Sometimes I feel that if I had REAL boldness, I would go talk
>to some of these people about Christ.  But "on the job" may not be
>the right place to witness like this, what do you think?

MAKS> In my environment I can only witness with a posters in the office
      as far as actual non-conversational methods. There is a Bible that
      lays in plain sight if anyone can recognize what it is.

      I find a lot of good witnessing comes from the 700 Club and Rush
      shows. These usually will start a conversation and if it can be
      worked in without being obvious, then I'll say something like
      "looks like God had it right all along", or "The Lord's blessed me
      with not having to worry about that."

      Someone else once said to use something to the effect of.
       "It just burns me when such and such."
       "I know of 2 answers to that." or "I had that problem once.
         I found the answer."
       "I don't think I'll ever get over it."
      Then about a week later, they may well call and say "By the way,
         what was that answer you were talking about?" and you have
         your chance to witness.

Maks.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:09:12 EST
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant

Hey Gang,
Everytime I look at my mail inbasket and see the thread "A Hindu View of
Amy Grant" I still want to crack up laughing. Think about it! I love
Christia!

I think the discussion has been at least thought provoking if not productive.
I have been studying carefully whether my $.02 should be thrown in, and I
just have a couple of items to add:

My wife and I have always loved Amy. Several years ago (89 I believe)
we saw Amy at a big Christian festival. Smitty was with her on piano, and
Gary was with her. It was nothing short of incredible. The Spirit of God
was there in *fullness*; Amy *ministered* without reservation, and at a
level I had never heard her before. She spoke of having received the
Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Gary sang a couple of his songs like "Treasure"
that were just so good. There must have been 15000 people in attendance, and
afterward we had a candlelight service of dedication to Jesus. I'll always
remember it. I got the feeling that it was a new level for Amy.

Now, a few years hence, I still enjoy Amy. I like her videos and cute songs.
I also love Gloria Estefan's music (is "Into The Light" Christian?) I realize
that on that hot summer night we were a decidedly skewed audience toward
Christianity! But I still cant help but wonder, "what happened" when I
flip through the channels and stop because I see Amy on MTV or VH-1 introducing
a Guns and Roses video. It is certainly Amy's prerogative to go secular and
make some money. But it is my contention that we don't need to placate
the world in order to make the Gospel palatable. Jesus said "If I be lifted
up I will draw all men unto me" It is not our job to sugar-coat the gospel
just so someone can buy into it more easily. Following Jesus is radical.
I would have a great deal more respect for Amy now if she would just say,
"hey I need the money and its fun"; not pretending its some easy back door
approach to presenting the Gospel.

By the way: Try going to a Hindu temple and singing "Amazing Grace". Then
re-evaluate whether evangelicals are so intolerant and such meanies. Better
yet and seriously, present the Gospel to a Hindu, and lift Jesus higher!
God Bless all.....Mark
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:21:31 EST
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      For Sunday 10 Jan 1992

FIRST SUNDAY AFTER EPIPHANY: THE BAPTISM OF OUR LORD (10 JAN 1992)

READING: Isaiah 42:1-9
 ("Behold my servant, whom I uphold... a light of the nations, to
open the blind eyes...")

PSALM 89:1-29
 (The LORD has promised that the throne of David and of his seed
shall endure forever.)

SECOND READING (FOR THE EPISTLE): Acts 10:34-38
 (Peter tells Cornelius and his household about Jesus, beginning
with His baptism.)

THE HOLY GOSPEL: Matthew 3:13-17
 (The Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist)

PRAYER (traditional wording)
   Father in heaven, who at the baptism of Jesus in the River
   Jordan didst proclaim him thy beloved Son and anoint him with
   the Holy Spirit: Grant that all who are baptized into his Name
   may keep the covenant they have made, and boldly confess him
   as Lord and Savior; who with thee and the same Spirit liveth
   and reigneth, one God, in glory everlasting.

PRAYER (contemporary wording)
   Father in heaven, who at the baptism of Jesus in the River
   Jordan proclaimed him your beloved Son and anointed him with
   the Holy Spirit: Grant that all who are baptized into his Name
   may keep the covenant they have made, and boldly confess him
   as Lord and Savior; who with thee and the same Spirit lives
   and reigns, one God, in glory everlasting.

HYMN
 When Jesus went to Jordan's stream,
  His Father's will obeying,
 and was baptized by John, there came
  a voice from heaven, saying:
 "This is my well beloved Son,
  upon Whom rests my favor."
 And till God's will is fully done,
  He will not bend or waver,
  for He is Christ the Savior.

(F Bland Tucker (1895-1984), based on Martin Luther's "Christ unser
Herr zum Jordan kam")
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:41:06 EST
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer request follow-up

Renee Autry asks me:  "Just wondering if the cataracts on Sarah's eyes are
better. . .?"

No, they will never go away.  But the good news is that they will not get any
worse, either; nor are they expected to interfere with her vision.  We have to
watch her to make sure she does not develop a lazy eye, but at her last checkup
that was not happening.  She does not have to go back until April.  Thanks for
asking!

Brenda
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:40:15 CST
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Home Schooling...

> My wife and I have been home schooling for three years now, and how we teach,
> what we teach, and what we use has changed every year since we started.  We
> started out with ABEKA the first year mainly due to the fact that our children
> were in Christian schools that use ABEKA.  It was a good start for us in that

 Tom,
Could you tell me where you purchased the ABEKA material. And if it is
only availabe to people who home school? Thanks.
Yvette

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:49:29 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Home Schooling...
              5 Jan 1993 10:21:16 -0500 from <d246@UNI05.LARC.NASA.GOV>

You didn't say what the other people were using. It's hard to make
comment or offer suggestions there.

We use KONOS. This is a program that offers the "advantage" of teaching
multiple grades together.

Weak points are that it takes quite a bit of preparation and that it
uses library books that someone else may have checked out, but they
have guides that help you with all this planning.

We're also using "Learning Language Arts Through Literature" which is
which teaches Language Arts usage using good literature. They also have
Common Sense Kindergarten and the Common Sense Reading Program.

Bob Jones has a good program, so does Abeka. There is also a "Weaver
Program" that many like. Alpha-Omega has a program, Linda didn't
like it though, thought it seemed dull.

We're using Saxon Math, but it doesn't start until the 5th grade.

Have them contact the HEAV or Home Education Association of Virginia.
They can give a lot of help.

There is a "Home School Convention" at the end of April here in Richmond
at the Richmond Center. There will be able to see demonstrations on just
about everything that is available, except for correspondence courses,
though CLA will be there. This is ALL CHRISTIAN courses. The dates are
April 30th and May 1st.

This would allow them to talk to the actual vendors and a full crowd of
other home schoolers. "How to" seminars are offered.

This is not free, but the cost is only $30 each, $35 couple, at the door,
2-12 years old=$1, 13-18=$20. Grandparents are free. HEAV members get
$5 off. If you register before April 1, you get $5 off. The fee covers
both days.

Register by contacting HEAV; PO Box 1810; Front Royal, VA 22630-1810.
703-635-9322... Dues are $15 a year. (Newsletter, support, legislative
updates, testing service.)

You will be getting a bill in the mail for all of this look up. :-)

Your neighbor can call Linda any time up to 11:00PM or after 7:00AM if
she wants, and to take advantage of the discount rates. I'll include
my large signature file.

In His Love,

  Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE
  Systems Eng. Manager    804-786-1559    Home:
  Va Dept of Health (FAX: 804-786-7528)   13308 Thornridge Ct.
  1500 E Main St. Room 211-3              Midlothian, VA  23112
  Richmond, Virginia  23219               804-744-9126
  "Know God, Know Peace"                  "No God, No Peace"
  "Champions are not men who never failed, but men who never quit"
                                          Ed Kole
  "I didn't vote for Clinton...."
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:18:56 EST
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The Abolition of Man

         Nothing I can say will prevent some people from describing
    this lecture as an attack on science.  I deny the charge, of
    course:  and real Natural Philosophers (there are some now alive)
    will perceive that in defending value I defend _ inter alia _ the
    value of knowledge, which must die like every other when its
    roots in the _ Tao _ are cut."  C.L. Lewis _ The Abolition of
    Man _ , Chapter 3 (p.86 in my copy).

I think _ The Abolition of Man _ is a warning against the misuse of
science, not an attack on science itself.

I have never heard any statement that Lewis was particularly affected
by the atomic bomb.  The evils he warns against are not mass destruc-
tion.  His book is a prophetic warning about the implications of
genetic manipulation and other techniques that existed only in
science fiction when he wrote but today are real possibilities.  When
his friend Tolkien's _ Lord of the Rings _ was published, many crit-
ics assumed the Ring was a symbol of the atomic bomb, but as Lewis
says elsewhere, in discussing the erroneous assumptions Bible critics
are likely to make, the book and the Ring existed in manuscript years
before it was published, years before the atomic bomb existed.

Marty Helgesen
Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm   Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu

"Experience beats in vain upon a congenital progressive."
        --  C. S. Lewis
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:13:12 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer request follow-up
              8 Jan 1993 11:41:06 EST from <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:41:06 EST Brenda Curry-White said:
>Renee Autry asks me:  "Just wondering if the cataracts on Sarah's eyes are
>better. . .?"
>
>No, they will never go away.  But the good news is that they will not get any
>worse, either; nor are they expected to interfere with her vision.

According to the doctors they may never go away, but all things are possible
with God. Maybe God won't take them away, but don't agree with the doctors.
:-)   We've got two members in our own church that had cancer in their
bodies, told it was hopeless, maybe they could do some kemo, but they might
as well get their affairs in order. They were both totally cured, medically
verified, and they "just disappeared" without any treatment.

We also had one that died of cancer. So, I find myself now, that I'll report
what was told me, but I almost always add, but with God, all things are
possible.

Another had a tumor, had a biopsy, had to have it out, was sized to be the
size of a grapefruit. They scheduled surgery. The church prayed the Sunday
before. They opened her up. It was gone.

Just trying to offer a little more hope. Please don't take offense. I pray
she's looked over someday, the doctor gets a puzzled look, spends about
10-40 minutes on her and then says "I don't understand. Her eyes are clear
as a bell."

Maks
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:20:14 GMT
From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: C.S. Lewis

First of all I would like to say hi to all on this newsgroup, as I joined
only a couple of days ago.

I dont want to cause a flame, but I get the distinct impression after reading
Steve Creps article that some of you believe and/or celebrate Christmas.

The question is did you not know that Christmas has nothing to do with
Christ, but is based on pagan festivities.

Before I go into the facts and history, some answers would be appreciated.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:20:35 EST
From:         TQX@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Albany, NY Youth Groups?

    Does anyone on the list from Albany, New York know of any active
youth groups in the area that include college-age young people? My
son, who is a student at Albany College of Pharmacy, would like to
meet other Christian young people but does not know of any active
groups in the area. He is Baptist but would feel comfortable in an
evangelical church of another denomination.
                                            In Christ,
                                            Claude Garner
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:07:42 EST
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Real life hits Sunday School

I teach 1st and 2nd graders in Sunday School.  Yesterday, we had a classful,
and what started out as a story about prayer, ended up being a discussion of
a very hard real-life problem for kids.  Our pastor's grandsons are in my
class, and their parents have been having problems.  Saturday I learned that
their mother had left the father (for about the third time), but this time
she had rented her own house.  So when the youngest boy piped up in the
middle of our story with "Can I tell everybody something about my mom and dad?"
I knew what was coming.

Since we were in the middle of the story, I told him to wait until we were
finished, and I halfway hoped he would forget to remind me, because his brother
didn't look too thrilled with him.  But he didn't forget.  And since I strongly
believe that when kids have something on their minds they should be allowed
to express it, I let him continue.

He said, "My Mom and Dad broke up because they argued all the time.  And now
I only get to see my friends at church on Sundays.  And I have a big lake
behind my house, and me and Travis each have toy tractors!"

I said, "You know not all kid's parents live together."  To which each of
the eight children in the room had to respond to, including the precocious
second grader who, full of grace and tact and timeliness shouted "* My * mom
said * my * mom and dad will * never * break up!"

I continued, "You just have to remember that when your parents don't live
together it's between them, and it has nothing to do with you."

I'm not so concerned about the younger boy, because he's looking on the
bright side and turning it into something positive.  But the older boy wouldn't
talk about it, and just kind of hung his head.  I couldn't catch their father
after church, but I intend to tell him about it, because I want him to know
how the boys are taking it when he's not around to hear them, and I want him
to know what I said to the boys.

I don't know why I posted this, except that it was a very meaningful day for
me.  My class tends to get loud and roudy, and some days I wonder if they've
heard anything I've said at all, because I've had to shout above them.  But
yesterday, there some little people with big problems, and we got to talk
about them, and maybe that helped.

Brenda
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:50:05 CDT
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant
              93 9:58 am

>
>> Then a friend of mine at work went to an Amy Grant concert in Jackson
>> last year; his kid wanted to see her.  On the following Monday I
>> asked him how was the concert.  He said the music was great.  I asked
>> him if Amy talked about God at all; did she say anything about having
>> a relationship with Christ?  "No," he said, "she didn't preach at
>> all.  She said something about loving people more, and that was it.
>> Even her songs didn't directly talk about God."
>
>
>> Scott D. Weberg

Well Scott, I dont know what concert your friend went to , however I
recently attended the heart in motion concert in australia.
She did DIRECTLY talk about both her faith and God... She sang several
out and out WORSHIP songs, including El Shaddai and Lead me on..

The adelaide entertainment centre was a sight to see, about half the crowd
lifting their hands in worship to the KING OF KINGS while Lead me on
and others were playing.. Now Amy was and is a hit on the mainstream charts
here in Australia, so that DEFINATELY was a witness to both see her and hear
her talk about God in front of a large audience with some percentage of
them unsaved..

For goodness sake stop knocking the lady for not singing John 3:16 in
every song.. What a manifestation of some demonic religious spirit to
label someone 'secular' (what ever that word means) if they dont sing
'Holy' words or mention 'JESUS' in every song.. Shock Horror!!
The GREATEST commandmant our Lord gave us was to LOVE.
Amy Grants songs are about Love, or God, or BOTH. Not Sex, not drugs, not
sleeping around or PUMP PUMP rubbish that is filling the airwaves at the
moment...
Amy Grant is a dedicated christian, thankfully free of the demonic religious
spirit who is reaching out in LOVE to the people..



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