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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:49:08 UEC
From:         "Jose Matheus Pinheiro Jr"
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Subject:      Logoff/force pending
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We have three users in "LOGOFF/FORCE PENDING" after problems with a 3274.
One of then is OPERATOR !!  How can we solve this problem ?  Is there
any way to alter control blocks ?
We would'nt like an IPL ...

Thanks, Pinheiro.
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From:         Bill Williams <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
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On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:49:08 UEC Jose Matheus Pinheiro Jr said:
>We have three users in "LOGOFF/FORCE PENDING" after problems with a 3274.
>One of then is OPERATOR !!  How can we solve this problem ?  Is there
>any way to alter control blocks ?
>We would'nt like an IPL ...

There are some utilities (UNHANG, etc.) floating around which will poke
into a ghost user's VM control blocks; however, when the ghost is
OPERATOR you will be much happier with an IPL!

As long as the System thinks OPERATOR is living in any form, there are
things directed to him.  When you fake out the OPERATOR control blocks
(poking in dummy userid, etc.) the operator userid is freed so you can
logon to him; however, the ghost's control blocks are still out there
and CP about halfway thinks that THEY are the operator, and about
one-fourth thinks the new logon is the operator, and about one-fourth
hemorrhages in the confusion.  My experience: slow, painful, death to the
running System.  (Yep. I tried that.  ONCE!)

I'd try to satisfy the outstanding I/O which has OPERATOR hung.
(Sometimes a MSG or WARNING sent to a hung user will jar them into
submission.)  Try a HALT on the hung device.
As a last resort I would IPL.  I would NOT poke at the
OPERATOR's control blocks.  Never again, I learned my lesson.

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   Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
    East
    Tennessee             (615) 929-6853
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From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Misc.
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:09 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Could anyone provide more information about Col. Teem, the leader of the
dangerous xian cult that Danny Q and his dutiful wife belong to?

It is my understanding that Pagans have lost custody of their children just
because of the religion they practice; does Robert support that?

It's seems to me that the question of whether rape may contain sexual elements
gets clouded because of the difference in the ways men and women _tend_ to view
and experience sex.  On the gentler, feminine side is the perspective of hours
of gentle kisses and touching and emotional exchange, leading up to the act. 
On the rougher, masculine side is the perspective of sweaty flesh-slapping with
some faceless giver-of-pleasure.  Now, while it is true that good lovers also
consider the desires of their partners, men and women still do not tend to see
eye-to-eye on this (although many men and women will lie to their partners so
that they feel more secure).  Unfortunately, many men are selfish and do not
consider their partner, and tragically, in some cases violent sex or even rape 
may simply be the way a particular man has sex.  This is only my opinion and it
is not meant as an justification for rape.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:44:21 GMT
From:         james p mcbride <BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Bosnia

Someone asked for the latest on Bosnia-Hercegovina recently.  Well, don't
worry, nothing much has changed, ethnic cleansing carries on apace, and
journalists are still being targeted.  The last estimate I heard was that
30 journalists had been killed or injured, the most recent being Martin
Bell of the BBC, ex-Washington correspondent.  He was seriously injured,
either yesterday or this morning, hit by shrapnel, though his life is not
thought to be in danger.

On the negotiations front, Slobodan Milosevic has agreed to attend the forth-
coming London summit.  The chief EC peace-maker, Lord Carrington, has finally
admitted defeat, and will shortly be giving up his role.  Among those tipped
to take over from Carrington is David Owen, a rather washed-up ex-British
foreign minister, who rather lacks Carrington's tact and diplomacy.




james p mc bride
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:18:00 EDT
From:         rf35 <Richard_A_FYFE@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: pot and the kettle
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Greetings:  To Robert

1)  Homosexuality - :willfully: participating in sex acts with one(s)
    of the same gender.
2)  Anything which is contradictory to God's word is wrong.
3)  Homosexuality is contrary to God's word.
4)  Homosexuality is wrong. (This follows from (2) and (3)).
5)  Whoever willfully engages in a wrongful activity and who fails to
    fully recognize that the activity is wrongful should be prohibited
    from adopting children.
6)  Therefore, homosexuals should be prohibited from adopting children.

From discussion:

rf> Second, according to the doctrine of St. Thomas Aquinas and the Catholic
rf> church, all of the followings are contrary to the will of God...

rf> a)      Masturbation.

r> At least as for males - "it's better to sew the seed of life in a harlot..."

From this we get:

7) Masturbation is contrary to God's word.
8) Masturbation is wrong.

And, from (8) and (5) above we get:

9) Any male who willfully masturbates and does not admit the wrongfulness
   of his activity should not be allowed to adopt children.

rf> b)      The use of artificial birth control.
rf> c)      Surgical sterilization (e.g. castration)

r> I see b and c as the same.  It could be argued that these are an attempt to
r> circumvent the will of "G"od.  I don't know.  I'm open to suggestions from
r> those with a better understanding of scripture.

        Here, I am going to pursue a different line of questioning.  This
pertains to how one would seek to discover the correct answer in cases in
which the correct answer is not known.  These comments suggest that the
right answer is to be determined by consulting those "with a better under-
standing of scripture.  (Not the pope.)"  How does one determine who has
a better understanding of scripture?

rf> d)     In vitro fertilization (as well as other artificial reproductive
rf>        technologies).

r> Again, this could be seen as a method of circumvention.  I believe it is
r> against "G"od's will because of its abortive nature.

        Let us presume that further medical science has eliminated the
possibility of multiple fertilization.  It seems to follow that:

10) The use of artificial reproductive technologies is against God's will.
11) Those who seek A.R.T. do wo willfully.
12) Nobody who seeks these alternatives shall be allowed to adopt children.

Concerning the discussion of what it take for something to be wrong (i.e.
determining the meaning of premise (3)), would you agree with the following:

3) A given act 'H' is wrong in virtue of the fact that God prohibits it.

                                        Richard A. Fyfe
                                        rf35@umail.umd.edu
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:33:36 CDT
From:         "The Truth (some assembly required)" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Speech and Evolution

>>Yep.  That's why I best like to discuss this stuff over pizza and beer:)
>>kerry,
>so okay, when do we order the pizza?
>jamie can bring the beer-(anything but bud or lite beer).
>-linda

Have him bring his homebrew and a six or two of Samuel Adams.

Dave
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:29:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      i am so dismayed

i just got the catalog from national wildlife federation. you know, the gift one
with cards you can buy and coffee mugs and tee-shirts all with wolves on
them and stuff.

(personal note: i love wolves-incredibly interesting species)

anyway, do you know what they make the cards and notepaper and giftwrap out of?

"post-consumer fibers".

somehow i feel dismayed when i hear and read pc-isms from organizations of which
i think highly. every time i hear unnecessary jargon, i feel like i'm being
given a load of bull.

maybe i'm just too sensitive-or too old. sigh.

-linda  (looking for my bi-focals)
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:06:55 -0400
From:         "Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>
Subject:      Religious freedom

 *** Resending note of 08/25/92 11:24

  From Jumbo Dumbo Bimbo,   Dang these keys!

 >p.s.  Just to set the record straight about the 'obscene' letter I sent
 >to Missy Justice... after a dozen or so letters back and forth trying to
 >seriously discuss theology and logic... after yet another ludicrous
 >response from her that indicated that she isn't interested in serious
 >discussion...
 >
 >I wrote: fuck off.
 >
 >And I meant it in the most loving manner possible.

 I too have received a piece or two of private correspondence from Bimbo.  He
 certainly filled me with fear by threatening to "come down on you so hard...".

 Ooooooooooooooh wow, uh, I'm impressed.

 ---Robert
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:36:36 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Trib Tidbits
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From today's Chicago Tribune; "O'Malley & Collin INC.":

Some Dems are circulating the text for a television ad that shows
President Bush vomiting in Japan with a voiceover saying "Read My Lips."
The ad goes on to point out how many presidents die in office and how old
Bush is.  It ends with a photo of Vice President Dan Quayle being
sworn in.

What is Ross Perot up to?  President Bush's and Bill Clinton's strategists
are comewhat curious.  Perot is maintaining campain offices in every state.
And he's still on many ballots.  He says he isn't running.  But he could
pull off enough votes to hurt Bush in states like Texas, which certainly
wouldn't break Ross' little heart.

A group of female veterans was waiting Wednesday afternoon for a statement
from Bill Clinton's camp about the oversight -- the one during his speech
to the American Legion when he acknowledged opposing the Vietnam War but
respecing "the men who served."  Several thousand women did to.

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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:31:01 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Misc.

>It's seems to me that the question of whether rape may contain sexual
>elements gets clouded because of the difference in the ways men and
>women _tend_ to view and experience sex.  On the gentler, feminine
>side is the perspective of hours of gentle kisses and touching and
>emotional exchange, leading up to the act.  On the rougher, masculine
>side is the perspective of sweaty flesh-slapping with some faceless
>giver-of-pleasure.  Now, while it is true that good lovers also
>consider the desires of their partners, men and women still do not
>tend to see eye-to-eye on this (although many men and women will lie
>to their partners so that they feel more secure).  Unfortunately, many
>men are selfish and do not consider their partner,

There's nothing like biased stereotypes to get a discussion rolling,
especially one that blames men for a situation that women are
considerably more interested in maintaining than men are.  I'll see
that pile of porn and raise with the thousands of romance novels, not
to mention the responses to the described stereotypes.

Hint: if you don't like the mating habits of people you're dating,
date different people.  If you insist on dating people whose habits
you don't like, you're at least as much a part of the problem as they
are.  They might be just as happy with other habits, but you're
rewarding them for those habits.

-andy

ps - Harshing on "dead bullet-heads" is a bad idea if you ever want
the assistance of live ones.  Heck, it can be a bad idea if all you
want from them is to be left alone.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:51:10 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Here's the news from Lake Ponsett

Dave:

Who told you that Operation Rescue supports abortion in cases of rape and
incest?  While OR is, certainly, made up of individuals of varying
perspectives, Randall Terry does not support abortion in cases of rape or
incest.  To my knowledge, at least a plurality (and perhaps a majority, the
data is still out) of OR members agree with him.  Lambs of Christ
do not support abortion in those cases either.

Just setting the record straight (it's my job.)

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:03:41 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: double standards in the twin cities

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:38:42 CDT fred said:
>
>Music trivia question: When the monkees toured in 1969, who was their
>opening act?

That's easy:  Jimi Hendrix

Who was Tommy Roe's opening act in England in 1962?

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:53:21 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: meaningless phrases

Hi, partner :)

>Can you list 3 specific things your learned in college (in the classes,
>not in the "atmosphere") that had a real value to you later in real life?

You bet.  But why do you want to leave out the "atmosphere"?  That's a big
part of any education, and especially a good college education (IMHO).

>Second question:  Is your current job or area of study closely connected
>to your undergraduate degree?

Yes.

Details available upon request :)

Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:57:27 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject:      Youthful punks

 *** Resending note of 09/02/92 08:53

 >Also, what do list members think about punishment for youth? I saw a
 >recent cbs news article that car theft is epidemic on the east coast and
 >that many of the perpatrators are under 14 years of age. The police see
 >the problem as being that the joy riders are immediately released with
 >no punishment for their actions. I would think that there are other
 >social considerations such as lack of youth activities.
 >fred

 I just spent this morning visiting with a local police officer friend of
 mine.  Having already read your post, I asked him for his thoughts on the
 issue.  BTW Tulsa has just recently opened a nighttime hot spot for young
 teens to address this very issue.

 He and I were in basic agreement but I will try to reproduce his thoughts
 without adding my own bias.  The new teen spot I mentioned above is now
 attracting an average crowd of approximately 300 kids.  He says this is
 somewhere around 10% of the number that regularly hangs out at the local
 cruising strip.  These 10% are probably representative of what one could
 expect in any given city, they are kids that actually want something else to
 do.  For the most part, the other 90% are out to look cool, look tough,
 get drunk and get laid.  No alternative activities are going to attract
 these kids.  It is from this 90% that you will also get your young street
 punks (youthful offenders for the more sensitive types on the list).  The
 policy for now when dealing with these kids is 2 warnings, then a fine and
 finally a citation to the parents.  This approach appears to have some effect
 in controlling the 'hanging out' problem as long as there is enough manpower
 to continually harass the kids in order to reduce their 'fun'.

 As for the very young criminals, we both agreed that parents should have more
 control of their kids and responsibility for their actions.  Also, the use of
 *serious* bootcamp programs to impart discipline should be greatly encouraged.
 The major problem with many of these kids is they have no sense of discipline.
 Cleaning trash cans at 5 a.m. may supply them with the justification to not
 be scumbags.  The older kids will require something a little more
 controversial.  We both agreed that upon graduation from high school, EVERY
 young person (absolutely no exceptions) should be required to spend 1 year
 in service.  Military type service during the year(s) that would normally be
 wasted on alcohol, drugs and crime would go a long way in repairing the loss
 of guidance and discipline that used to be supplied by parents and schools.

 ---Robert
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Subject: Patriotism
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:44:44 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

SPRG0002 writes, in reference to an interpretation of his previous statement:
>  >mandatory military service for every young person?  you ARE a sick pup.

>  There is a very definite chord of a
>  vehemently anti-patriotic attitude throughout your whining.  Are we to
>  understand that you find military (or other) service for your country
>  somehow distasteful?  Are you enjoying the benefits of freedom at the
>  expense of our dead patriots?

That is the typical conservative idea of patriotism--that patriotism can only
be measured by bloodshed, that killing people just-like-yourself just because
some demented, psychopath Pentagon gangsters in Washington "ordered" it is a
virtue, that total blind obedience to one's "superiors" is the best and only
way you can care for your country and help your fellow citizens.  Unfortunately
for you, a large number of patriotic people reject your war-bent hive
mentality, and feel the way to be patriotic is to think for themselves, take 
personal responsibility for their actions, and wage peace and social harmony.
As for the question of mandatory non-military servitude--involuntary servitude
is by definition, slavery, which is not exactly what this country is supposed
to be about, is it?  However, after college, I plan to take a couple years off
to do some organized volunteer work, and I might not be opposed to requiring it
for college if it also applied to the wealthy.  As for the dead patriots, 
either they volunteered, in which case they died by choice, or they were 
drafted, in which case they were killed indirectly by our own government--in 
either case they are dead, and one can hardly do things at their expense now.
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From: jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: logic czar
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:32:39 GMT

Robert <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET> writes:
> Jimbo,
>
> You appear to be a pompous, self-inflated, hateful and ignorant bigot.

Thanks for your kind words, but I have a slight correction.

I am pompous and self-inflated.  I am neither hateful nor ignorant.

Just wanted to set the record straight.

--Jimbo


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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:16:00 EDT
From:         rf35 <Richard_A_FYFE@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rape as violence or sex.
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>Richard:
>
>You can think or read whatever you like, but your comments are common
>among people who think they can understand something they have never
>experienced.

        I believe that this will come as a surprise to individuals
who believe they know quite abit about heart attacks--even though
they never had one, or people who believe they know about sub-atomic
particles even though they have never seen such things.

        Besides, you have no idea what I have and have not experienced.
Objective claims need to be grounded on objective evidence, not private
information.  The witch trials in Salem, for example, were grounded
largely on evidence which only the witch's victim could see.  Though
personal experiences may provide an individual with some evidence upon
which to base conclusions, to make generalizations on such little
evidence is to perform the logical fallacy of "hasty generalization."
A broader set of data is needed to make sound judgments.

        Finally, a person who has been raped has not experienced the
same thing that the rapist has experienced.  So, by your very prin-
ciple, a rape victim can not understand the rapist.  The only people
who can make true claims about rape are rapists themselves.  From
what I read, rapists often defend their claims in terms of rational-
izations of the form "she deserved it," or "women like such things."
These are claims which most people hold to be false, in spite of
the fact that they come from what your principles we should conclude
to be the leading authority (in fact, the only possible authority)
of what is true about rapists.

                                                Richard A. Fyfe
                                                rf35@umail.umd.edu
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:50:46 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: demo platform

Carl, it would be much easier to respond to your post if you had quoted
the sections of the platform verbatim that you wished to comment on.
You often accuse the press of misrepresenting the republicans, i think
you should do the demos the courtesy of providing their words along
with your comments.

Does anyone else watch cbs evening news? They have been running short
excerpts from both candidate's speeches on various topics without any
comment. Granted, they still exercise editorial rights by deciding
which sound bytes to use but I think it is a step in the right direction.
Any comments?

I personally would hate to see our economy become totally dependant on
our ability to sell weapons since we no longer manufacture cars, stereos,
clothing, etc. George is buying votes in texas, not addressing the
problems of our economy or our future.
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