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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Bills Suck
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:11:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.032425.5849@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>I hate the Bills.
>
>Houston: 98
>Buffalo: 0
>
>I used to be a Bills fan, but if the players on the team
>don't care, then why the hell should I ?
>

Most NFL fans know that the widest margin of defeat in NFL history
was the infamous 73-0 Bears win over the Redskins for the title in
1940.   What most fans forget was that earlier that season Chicago
had lost, 7-3, to the Redskins  (a score made ironic when compared
to the title game score).  My point is,  it doesn't pay to be vis-
eral and reactionary in this league.  Weird things do happen.
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From: chf0@bunny.gte.com (Curt Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami Dolphins Playoff News
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

Just some quick news on the Dolphins, courtesy of the Dolphins'
Hotline:

1. Mark Higgs underwent arthroscopic knee surgery for the injury that
he sustained during the New England game.  Even though the surgery was
a success, Higgs was placed on injured reserve and won't be able to
return until the SuperBowl, if the Dolphins get that far.  This means
that Bobby Humphrey will get the starting job.

Personal Observation:  IMHO, this is actually a good thing for the
Dolphins.  I *still* think Bobby Humphrey is actually the better
running back.  In any case, it shouldn't be a problem.

2. Bruce Alexander (cornerback) and Aaron Craver (running back) were
recalled from injured reserve for the playoffs.  Alexander was an
important nickel-back for the Dolphins and Craver was just starting to
have a good season when he got injured.  Alexander had one
interception this season and one blocked punt before he was injured.

3. John Offerdahl is out for the first playoff game at least.  Dwight
Hollier will get the call in his place.  It appears that Offerdahl's
injury just isn't healing at all.  

Personal Observation:  $#%&*^!!!!.  I was hoping that with the bye
week, that the Dolphins would be able to get him back, but apparently
there is no treatment except rest for his injury (an abdominal strain
- which doesn't sound serious, except that I learned that it is
actually a muscle tear)

4. Marco Coleman's injuries are not serious, and he *will* be starting
in the first playoff game against San Diego.

Personal Observation:  Whew!  With Offerdahl out, the Dolphins need
him more than ever.

This means that the only starting players that the Dolphins will be
missing for the playoffs are Mark Higgs (no big loss) and John
Offerdahl (*big* loss).  

The Dolphins had a light practice schedule last week and took the long
weekend off.  The Dolphins needed this week off, since they didn't
have a bye week during the regular season because of the hurricane.

Unimportant irrelevancy:  Mike Singletary of the Bears picks Miami to
win the AFC.

Thanks, Mike.

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions
From: fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC Playoffs show restructure necessary?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:45:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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With 3 of the 4 final teams coming from the NFC East (which seems to
be a fairly frequent occurance. . ) has anyone heard any talk of 
restructuring the conferences the way they should be.  I.E. Dallas
and New Orleans should be in the Central. Phoenix in the West.
Tampa Bay and Atlanta in the East.  I think that about covers it.
The Niners will still have no talent to go against swapping Phoenix
for New Orleans, but it does beef up the Central and tame the East a bit.


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From: john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio)
Subject: Interesting Playoff Stat.
Reply-To: john@ice.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:43:23 GMT

I read today in the Washington post that since the NFL has gone to the
3 Wildcard playoff format three years ago the teams that have had a first
round bye are 8-0.  Also the winning margin has averaged 17.5 points with
only one game being closer than 10 points.  A little rest does a body
good eh?


John DiMarzio
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From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: Re: The Rooney Rule
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:53:31 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>Also, Miami could very well lose Mark Clayton

As a Dolphin fan I would not have said this last year but with
this years emergence of Tony Martin all I can is good riddance
Mark!!  He's stated that he's leaving if he doesn't get a new 
contract similar to Jerry Rice.  Yeah right! He's not worth 1.25M
per year their paying him now!

Ted
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Bills
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:27:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan4.184743.20282@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>John "Thinking of becomming a 49er fan" Heim

Thanks, but we've already got John Gloria.

And he can spel.

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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 14:43:46 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Montana for Allen!

The perfect trade, Joe Montana should go the Raiders for Marcus Allen, an even
trade!  Raiders get what they want and the 49ers...wellllllllllll.

                                           -tom
From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Vikes are history
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:31:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.081439.17580@cbfsb.cb.att.com> campbell@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ray E. Campbell) writes:
>Packers, 1993 NFC Central Champs!
>

You may want to ask the Lions' fans how much difference a year can
make before you go out on a limb, dude!
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|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
|lej@pdn.paradyne.com |  things to waste."    | Largo, FL 34649 (USA) |
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From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:40:03 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE93Jan7.164434@samadams.inmet>
johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe) writes:
 
>I will not speak for other NINER fans, but the OILER-BILLS game
>was the best I have EVER seen for excitement! "The Catch" and
>"The Drive" are my two other favorites of course, but this one
>tops them all from just a fans standpoint, regardless of team
>affliation.
>
I am an Oiler fan so needless to say, the game last Sunday does really
sting. But nonetheless, I can honestly say that game should go into the
books as one of the classics. If I had not been rooting for the Oilers,
I would have been loving it. I also say the same about last year's game
against Denver and THE DRIVE II.
 
The Oilers and the Bills will meet again in next season in Rich Stadium.
You can bet that the Oilers will be going for revenge then.
>
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:47:30 GMT

In article <1ikb7kINNq34@rave.larc.nasa.gov> azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips) writes:
>From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
>Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position

>> >
>> Ah, my namesake brethen speaks again! I, JOHN PAUL, to another JOHN PAUL,
>> hereby confess my WEAKNESS and LUST for ALN. I publicly ask for forgivness.
>> I will repent and abstain 'till next football season. Hmmmm, isn't soccer 
>> also referred to as "football". Whew, not a very long abstinence! :-) WOOF!
>> GRRRRRRRRR!
>> 
>Aha! so you finally confess! Okay, I'll forgive you if ALN does. As to that
>bit about soccer, you'll have to move to a country where they refer to soccer
>as football before you may end your penance.
>

JPG - Although you are a REPEATED OFFENDER, I will forgive you on the 
following conditions.

1.  Retract the statement you made about the Giants not having access to the 
football gods.  This alone is Blasphemous!  You know DAMN well that ALL 
football fans have access to the FBG's if proper sacrifices are made.
You have insulted me and all Giants fans!

I am suprised at my Giants Fans friends for letting you get away with that 
statement!

2.  You must attend at least 1 session of SCROUNDREL's ANONYMOUS!  You 
admitted your lust! (which is the first step to recovery) I'll send you the 
info via e-mail :-)

>> >> >Damn, where is my net.football.savior when I NEED him?
>> >> >
>> >Sorry, but my steed threw a horseshoe.
>> >
>> A real man, such as myself, would have carried the damn steed on my
>> back and rescued the poor maiden, aka ALN. 
>> >
>Hmmm... I see that my line was ambiguous. I was apologizing for the delay
>in coming to ALN's rescue, and giving the reason for it. I have been quite
>busy this week and was rushed when I posted the last one (JPG, some of us
>actually have a life, you know). Actually, I just ran; carrying the steed 
>would have wasted time. I had to walk the way back to my steed completely
>armored.
>

Now see, REAL MEN can settle differences with WORDS, not slander and foul 
language!  Let this be a lesson to Mr. Whiner and Mr. Psychopath (who called 
and threatened "whats his name whiner boy"!

>COWBOYS FOREVER!>
>           John Paul Phillips
>                  "Azjohn"

Thank you Sir, once again you have SAVED me from THAT scoundrel!
Giants Maiden in Net.Distress,
Adriene
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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Re: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:23:43 GMT

... speaking of arrogant!  

Hamish, isn't it true that respectable soccer fans in England who go to 
see a soccer match fear the riots between rival fans?  Isn't it 
true that (as of a few years ago) the soccer matches were being held but 
fans were not allowed in the stadium because the police could not 
contain the fighting between the rival fans?  How about that clash
in Belgium a couple of years ago?  How about that time in England when
a couple of kids were playing with fireworks and ended up burning down 
the stadium!

Yes, drugs have been a problem in the NFL at one time.  Drugs have been
a problem in the Olymipcs.  Either case, the drugs killed those who
chose to take them.

At least we (football fans) are not killing innocent people!  So get off
your soapbox before it falls in on you and have some respect for sports
with which you are not familiar.

 - Dman -

Yes, I have played American football and enjoyed it.
Yes, I have played soccer and enjoyed it too.
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From: Andrew Bros <bros@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Vikes future
Originator: bros@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:12:58 GMT
Reply-To: bros@convex.COM (Andrew Bros)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan3.080458.2645@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> rykhus@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>... They could also look for a tightend to replace Jordan in the
>future. The good news is, finally there is a reason to look forward
>to the draught as they have high round draught picks this year.

  The Vikes have a couple good backup tight ends.  I'm not sure of the
names, but the second-string TE is Mike Tice, and the third string guy
looks good, too.  The Vikings have always done a great job of finding
and developing tight ends.

  I wish I could say the same thing about their quarterbacks.
-- 
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System Integration Group                Convex Computer Corporation
It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations,
if you live near him.  - JRR Tolkien, The Hobbit.
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:17:48 GMT

If you toss out the two Falcon games, there were 330pf/216pa, or 24/15
a game.  If you then call those the falcon scores (24-15), you'd
imagine a 378/246 season, or a 132 pt spread instead of a 191 pt
spread.  (Interestingly, the PA remains the same, so the falcon's
offense was on par with all the o ther opponents.)

A 131 point spread is a lot less impressive, but it's still more than
a touchdown a game.

To be fair doing rankings, you'd have to try to normalize out everyone
else's blowouts in some way too, like the Redskin-Falcon game.

-dB
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From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: my playoff predictions
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:44:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec30.195717.13311@ultb.isc.rit.edu> vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>new orleans 16   phill 10
>
>the saints will win their first game. look for cunningham or walker to
>choke in this game. defense will dictate the game. punters and kickers
>will be busy in this game

Wooof..woof..woof

Do those two bombs to barnett remind you of anything. Looks like even you,
like the saints expected walker to run the football like he did in the first
game. The result: Sherman 106 yds, 21 carries Eagles: 36 Saints:20

Bring 'em ON.... Party time at dallas!!!!

>						vinnie

-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
GO EAGLES....
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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF) JPG repents to all Giants fans!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:38:39 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.110.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU>, 
Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan12.153743.1517@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM 
(JOHN) 
> writes:
(lot deleted)
> 
> > BTW, am I forgiven MS. net.lady?
> >
> Yes, I forgive you.  Now can we puleeeeeeeeeeeze get back to football in 
> THIS FORUM!
> 
> Adriene  (Giants in 93, New Coach, New Defense, New LIFE!!!!!  PSYCH!)

JPG, my much lamented namesake <gag>, I said before that I would forgive
you if ALN would. I forgive you now, and stay on the straight and narrow path!

(Boy, am I glad that this pathetic beast ain't a Cowboys fan!)

COWBOYS FOREVER!

           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
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From: robert@kohlrabi.tcs.com (Robert Blumen)
Subject: Re: Another Mike for new Bears coach . . .
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:33:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.160320.3656@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
>  Ditka was an assistant coach with the Cowboys for a number of years
>  before becoming Head Coach for the Bears. I find it highly unlikely
>  that any owner would hire a player as Head Coach without any prior
>  coaching experience. Then again, owners are the most intelligent
>  people in the world ;)

In basketball, this is not uncommon, Dan Issell being the most recent of
many examples (all the others which escape me at the moment).  This past 
year, Stanford University coach Bill Walsh took a lot of flak for hiring
five ex-49er players with no coaching experience as assistant coaches
instead of experienced college coaches.  They worked out ok, though.


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From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Re: Play off sites
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:14:09 GMT

In article <C0E78y.L77@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>
>If. And it is a very big if!
>
>The Bills beat P-burg
>
>The Charges beat the Fish
>
>Where will the playoff game be? Buffalo or San-Diego.


San Diego
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "The Catch"
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:46:39 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

They should show the play before the Dallas fumble.

Danny White hit Drew Pearson on a deep crossing pattern and
he only had one safety to beat and the guy grabbed Drew by the 
back on the shoulder pads with one hand as he was streaking downfield 
for a TD. This was the most critical play in the game, they should
show "The Tackle" it was the play of the game and allowed the 9ers
to win. If he doesn't get Drew by the pads, it's over. Anyone know
who made the grab ???

That was then, this is now !

tim

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From: schmittj@sthelens.ee.umn.edu (Jonathan Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Ditka in Denver
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:39:39 GMT


You forgot the most interesting part of Ditka in Denver.  How long before
the thin mounatain air causes Ditka to pass out.  
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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
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Subject: Dave Wannstedt
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:11:56 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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I know you Giants fans are happy to go after Dave Wannstedt and I don't
blame you, BUT you might want a few facts first.

Q: Is Dave a good coach ?
Yes

Q: Where did the Dallas defensive strategy come from ?
U of Miami/Jimmy Johnson 

Q: Who picked the players to make these good defenses ?
Jimmy Johnson drafted them and recruited them in the Pros and
at U of M

You see, the Dallas defense was designed and drafted and built by JJ
not Dave, Dave is a good coach and JJ speaks highly of him, but
you might tone down the Wannstedt is our savior stuff. Jimmy Johnson
built this Cowboys team, his ideas, his drafting and strategy.

Of course I would like to see Dave stay in Dallas, main reason ? 
he works very well with JJ. How would he fair in NY, don't know but
in Dallas he walks freely in to JJones or JJohnsons office and says
I want or need ____________, and he gets it. Will he have this in
NY ? I doubt it very seriously. Im sure JJ will go pull out his
list of assistants from Miami and plug one right into the system,
I wouldn't expect Dallas' defense to miss a beat.....

Go Cowboys !!!
tim
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:49:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.140801.20427@ne3005.reston.ingr.com> scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry) writes:
>thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>
>
>
>>As for your comment that SF and Wash have "two of the best QB's 
>>in the NFL", do you think any SF player would be willing to 
>>swap QB for this weeks game?  San Fran has a great QB; Washington
>>does not.
>
>I think Mark Rypien has the potential to be a great QB.  This year, however,
>he's faced a number of obstacles that he didn't face last year.  First,
>he had a patchwork offensive line.  Second, defenses had the offseason to 
>prepare schemes that would take away the big plays that dominated the Redskin
>attack last season.  Third (and I have my doubts on this), he held out; an
>argument can be made that this affected the offense early-on.  Fourth, the
>best lineman in the NFL held out -- he was clearly not ready to play early-on
>and then was injured.  Fifth, the Redskin defense has been hit with many
>injuries as well -- their best corner held out, too.  When Green came back,
>it was clear he wasn't ready, either.
>
>I'm not a Redskin fan, but I know this whole season isn't Rypiens fault and
>I think he's got the potiential to be one of the greats.  This season is the
>exception, not the rule.
>
I hate to antogonize a fellow Dallas fan...but Rypien sucks...Line or no line
you have to be able to at least complete a screen to the RB.  Ryp is almost
identical to Jay Schroeder...monstrous arm but doesn't know how to throw a
football.  Last year was the exception...this year and the year before last
is the rule.  He will have good games, but like Schroeder, consistency is the
thing he lacks...and that's a biggie.  Last year, I couldn't convince anyone
that Ryp couldn't throw....his passes to his receivers were not the most 
accurate.  Yes, he did lead them to the Super Bowl...but believe, the TEAM
was incredible; the receivers could shake off any defender and of course they
could just about catch anything within 10 feet of them.  

I think Ryp needs a QB coach.

Your friendly neighborhood Dallas fan stuck in Skins country
(you know the feeling)
Mario

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