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From: fh11@sol.acs.unt.edu (Brozovic Douglas)
Subject: A QUED/M-like editor for DOS
Summary: Looking for a Qued/m-like editor for DOS (compatible* with Windows)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:29:31 GMT

I realize that this is probably a FAQ, but I didn't detect a FAQ list, whence
the question:  I am looking for a Text editor similar to Qued/m or Alpha 
written for IBMPCs.  The "real" issue is the ability to cut and paste as
on a Mac.  My colleagues and I have used "Write" (or whatever it is called)
that comes with Windows, but are not satisfied.

Please send your suggestions (other than get a Mac for your office :-) ) 
directly to me via e-mail.

Thanks in advance,
Doug Brozovic


Newsgroups: comp.editors,can.francais
From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (PAULIN MARC)
Subject: Re: Help needed about WP5.1
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:17:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.143454.6047@bcrka451.bnr.ca> janick@bnr.ca (Janick Bergeron) writes:
>From: janick@bnr.ca (Janick Bergeron)
>Subject: Re: Help needed about WP5.1
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 14:34:54 GMT

>In article <C14Dpx.6x6@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes:
>>   Hello everybody. In order to work with Word Perfect 5.1 in a French 
>>   medium, I need the following file: 
>>                                  WP{WP}CF.THS

>You can generate all accented characters with the English set-up by using
>CTRL/V<letter><accent> (or ^V<accent><letter>)

>For example: e with accute accent would be "^Ve'"
>             c with a cedilla would be "^Vc,"
>             i with an umlaut would be "^Vi""

>You have to make sure that your printer knows how to handle these characters.
>Most printer files are fairly complete and should work out-of-the-box.
>Use the PRT.EXE command to modify your .PRS file if the accented characters
>aren't handled properly (you may have to map these characters to sequences
>like: <letter><BACKSPACE><accent>.

	Don't have to do all this.  Just run the KEYB.COM DOS program before 
running WP51 and you have a french keyboard.

	KEYB CF - Gives Canadien Francais.
	KEYB US - Gives US keyboard.

	I created a batch file called WORD.BAT that calls the CF keyboard 
before running WP.EXE and calls the US keyboard after exiting.
	But, I think the file WP{WP}CF.THS is the french thesaurus.  Je ne 
sais pas si j'ai ce fichier.  Je vais verifier ma version de WP et je 
reviens.  
	Ca fait tellement longtemps que je ne l'ai pas utilise que je ne 
sais plus si ma version est francaise ou non.  Je me sers toujours du WP For 
Windows de l'universite ici.
                                         ____
              _  _  _                  / \   \ 
            /' )' )' )                |   |   |           
              /  /  /                 | (_|__/         \   
             /     /  __. .__    ___  |   |  __.  . .   \  .   ___ 
            /     (__(_/|__) )__/(__   \_/__(_/|__)\_)__/\__)__) <_ 
                    Markus on QuartzPARADISE and AfterFive
                            (506)855-4974 - Canada
+---------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
|            markus@info.umoncton.ca          | "My son, ask for thyself    |
| For Talk:  markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca  |  another kingdom.  For that |
|---------------------------------------------+  which I leave is too small |
| When all else fails,  read the instructions |  for thee" - King Philippe  |
+---------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
From: fuenf@aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Fuenfrocken)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: "too dangerous to map that"
Followup-To: comp.editors
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:05:45 GMT
Organization: University of Saarland (Germany)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de
PathPath: aldebaran!fuenf

Hi,

Under what circumstance do i get the " too dangerous to map that" message?

There were a few times vi refused to map something.
e.g. perform search for fixed patten
:map xx /pattern

Does this mean, that i probably will run into conflict with 'internal' vi mappings?

Is there a way to do the mapping anyway.
e.g: space bar mapping (well, bad example, since it is not too dangerous to map ;) )

map ^V  something

an then redefine the mappings for 's' and '~', which use the spacebar-mapping, 
accordingly with the 'l' as substitute.


Another question:

-) is there a way to use the 'unmapped' meaning of mapped symbols?
   suppose you map! the ESC-key to somthing (a stupid thing, i know ;) ), which 
   leaves you with (almost) no possibility to return from any insert/appand/open mode;
   the only thing a can imagine, is to map! an other key to ESC ( with noremap set,
   otherwise: no chance). 

-) how can i unmap ALL my map and/or map! mappings at once?
   Do i really have to write an according unmap file wich successivly unmaps
   all my .exrc-mappings, and map \um to :so ~/.unmap ?


Thanx for your time

Stefan.

-- 

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    W-6600 Saarbruecken, Germany, (+49) 681/302-4576, fuenf@cs.uni-sb.de 
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Need help with v -c option
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:14:47 GMT

I am having problems with vi's -c startup option.  I execute the
command:

	vi -c  "set wm=12" myfile

I was hoping that this would execute the command set wm=12 before
I started editing myfile.  What is happening instead is that the 
commands in my .exrc file execute, but the set wm=12 does not.
(Note, there is no set wm command in my .exrc file!)

What are the rules of precedence here regarding the -c startup
option and the .exrc file?  Is there some way to force a command
to execute at startup in addition to the ones found in .exrc?  I
need some way of starting vi up with a different set of startup
commands depending on my stty cols setting.

Also, while I'm here, can someone tell me how do you mark a line
in .exrc as a comment?

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Subject: Re: Brief 3.1 for MSDOS
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:16:17 GMT

taph2@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Joyce) writes:

>From article <1993Jan26.222926.1@sscl.uwo.ca>, by szathmary@sscl.uwo.ca:

>From what you said;

>> 
>> 
>> I have just received an advertisement for Brief 3.1 for MSDOS from Borland.
>> Would anyone be able to comment on the quality of this editor?

>I have owned and used Brief since 1988 (up to version 3.0) from Solution
>Systems, and I presume Borland (as always) have taken it over.  As long
>as they haven't messed it up (as Solution Systems did version 3.1, I
>think it would be the same), I would highly recommend this editor.
>You can edit files up to 32Mb, compile within the editor using the

You can edit files much larger than that, I've edited files that were
hundreds of megs in size.  I think the limit is 4 billion lines and 4
gigabytes... but I'm not sure.

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From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:41:43 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>
>>In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>>>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>>>       outputs ASCII
>
>>Wordperfect should work...
>
>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?
>Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
>driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.

Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
a pain.

Barbara Vaughan
From: twl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (tiang wah leong)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Needs pops-up text editor
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:20:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.twl1.728065251
Organization: Mississippi State University


Can anyone tell me where to download a pops-up text editor (TSR), just like
the old version of Sidekick (Not Sidekick Plus).
Thank you.
From: slzg4@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Conv. PostScript to ASCII text. HELP!
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:53:44 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I am looking for a program converting a PostScript text file to the
regular ASCII text file. Could someone give me a direction? Please
send me a e-mail.
Thank you very much.
K.Suwat
From: bware@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Bob Ware)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: new version of vitutor
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:45:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

vitutor is an on-line hands-on tutorial to get people started using
vi.  Most people can do simple editing after about 1/2 hour with the
tutorial.

A new version is now available via anonymous ftp from
ftp.mines.colorado.edu. (in pub/tutorials)

1. A lesson on the 'm' (mark) command has been added.
2. An on-line manual is now included.

-- 
Bob Ware, System Administrator 
Computing and Networking, Colorado School of Mines, Golden, Co 80401, USA
(303) 273-3987
bware@mines.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Subject: Re: WANTED: CRISP for IRIX 4.0.X
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:05:29 GMT

In article <12725@cayman.COM> pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox) writes:
>Rohit Mehrotra (rohit@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan19.190742.21719@ramon.bgu.ac.il> mary@chen.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus) writes:
>: >Hello !
>: >
>: >I seek advice for installing the CRISP editor at our Silicon Graphics
>: >workstation. I've tried different configurations, but didn't manage
>: >to compile CRISP source files.
>: >
>: CRISP is a commercial product now and is available on the SGI machine.
>: The EMAIL address to send a mail in reference to the COMMERCIAL product
>: is:	owner-xcrisp-list@uunet.uu.net
>: -- 
>: Rohit Mehrotra
>
>While it is true that there is now a (pricey) commercial version of CRISP
>available, I always get the impression that Rohit wants us all to believe
>that this means the public version is no longer available, and that there
>is no chance that anyone is doing continuing development on that version...
>I have half a mind to pick it up....
>
>paul

:-) :-), for a moment I was surprised that the real author of Crisp
Paul Fox (from U.K) posted something, as he never bothers answering
any questions on anything related to Crisp prior to 3.0, but then
that my surprise lasted only for a moment as I saw your EMAIL addr.

Any way, I apologize if that is the impression I gave, however just to
for a little more info on Crisp prior to 3.0. Crisp was a shareware
version with a $60.00 value attached to it. People usually tend to
ignore it. 

Shareware, as of yet is still available on the net, however if you know
of someone doing any real development on it, I would really be interested
in knowing it. As far as I know, I keep on getting calls from previous 
shareware users who are being referred to the commercial release by other
3.0 users as there is no support available for 2.2 anymore.

As far as the price of the product is concerned, $149.99 for a starter
version is by no means very expensive, but then maybe anything above
and beyond a few dollars is expensive, and Paul Fox (U.K) committed a 
cardinal sin by trying to sell his software :-). Software developers 
are supposed to work for free anyway.

-- 
Rohit Mehrotra
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: mapping space bar
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:47:24 GMT

In <C1F8AD.HF9@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mdoob@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Doob) writes:

>Is it possible to use the map command to remap the space bar? If so, what's
>the right syntax. Things like ^V<space> won't do the job.

In the version I use, SVR3.1, it is possible, and takes *two* ^Vs.

Unfortunately, a number of other command is implemented as if they
were mapped to a combination using space, e.g. `s' is mapped to `c '.
Mapping the space bar messes up `s' and other commands.

It would have been nice if the author of vi had used `l' instead.
It would have been even nicer if user-level maps didn't disturb the
builtin ones, of course.

While we're at it, two years ago Chris Torek posted an article in this
group in which he mentioned that one should not map any of "ailru\_ $".
I can understand most of these, but I have two questions:
(1) What does `\' do?
(2) Which command do I mess up when I map `u'?

--
HansM
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: winney@dal.mobil.com (Randy Winney)
Subject: Re: CRISP wanted
Organization: Mobil Exploration & Producing Technical Center(MEPTEC), Dallas. 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:27:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.114651.8169@falch.no>, boots@falch.no (Dag Hasvold) writes:
|> Where can I get CRISP? Preferably a LISTSERV.
|> 
Archie says:

Sorting by hostname


Search request for 'cr_2.2e'


Host bode.ee.ualberta.ca   (129.128.16.96)
Last updated 02:19 14 Mar 1992

    Location: /pub/unix.Z
      FILE      rw-r--r--   1295729  Jan 21 19:04   cr_2.2e.tar.Z

Host nic.switch.ch   (130.59.1.40)
Last updated 02:22  4 Mar 1992

    Location: /software/sources/crisp
      FILE      rw-r--r--    260000  Sep 11 02:55   cr_2.2e.tar.Z.ab
      FILE      rw-r--r--    260000  Sep 11 02:55   cr_2.2e.tar.Z.ad
      FILE      rw-r--r--    260000  Sep 11 02:55   cr_2.2e.tar.Z.ac
      FILE      rw-r--r--    255729  Sep 11 02:55   cr_2.2e.tar.Z.ae
      FILE      rw-r--r--    260000  Sep 11 02:55   cr_2.2e.tar.Z.aa
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: VI vs. ELVIS
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:26:05 GMT
	<1993Jan15.202831.21209@walter.bellcore.com> <mrd.727351916@lisa>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

>>> On 18 Jan 93 10:11:56 GMT, mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie) said:
Dobie> Nntp-Posting-Host: lisa

Dobie> In <1993Jan15.202831.21209@walter.bellcore.com>
Dobie> pietro@nova.bellcore.com (Pietro Manzoni) writes:

pietro> I've been using vi for a long time, and now, I got elvis.
pietro> It seems very similar to vi, so I wanted to know which are the main
pietro> differences betwen the two editors.

Dobie> The (functional) differences are few and getting fewer, now that elvis
Dobie> 1.7 has a tagstack. The only major difference left (for me) is that
Dobie> elvis handles long lines by scrolling sideways whereas vi wraps the line
Dobie> and shows it all on the screen.

Actually *the* major difference is that elvis only allows '/' as
delimiter in regular expressions, e.g. the ':s' command. This can be a
pain; I usually specify '|' as my delimiter as in 's|a|b|'.

There is another vi clone, recently posted to one of the sources groups
(I cannot remember which one). VIM is a near perfect vi clone too, and
allows the specification of arbitrary delimiters like VI itself.
--
Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> c/o Dept of CS
University of Wales, Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK
From: davidn@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: WANTED : Folding Editor for DOS
Keywords: Editor, Dos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:50:04 +1100
Reply-To: davidn@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

prob@btmp24.be (P. Roobrouck SH532 4554) writes:

> 1. Macro's ... record keystrokes into a single key is just fine.
> 
> 2. A feature, (I think it is) called "Folding". I mean a function that
> allows to HIDE in a lower hierarchical level, certain pieces of text.
> You mark a piece of code as a block, hit a key and it shrinks into a
> small token, you hit the token and it expands to full-size. This should
> be in multiple levels... This way you can better view the high-level
> structure of a program, by shrinking the details that are not important
> at that level.
> 
> If anyone knows such an editor, could you please inform me on where to
> find it.

ftp-os2.nmsu.edu

It's in the os2 archives there, called ae.??? or similar. But it also
comes in an MSDOS flavour as well as an OS/2 executable (compatible with
both 1.3x & 2.0). "ae" stands for "Andy's Editor". 

It's a nice editor in many ways, has both macros and folding, even
'virtual' folding so you can fold in files - which makes searching
multiple files very easy. After using it for many months I decided
to move on to other things anyway, mainly because my source files were
becoming large, and although it does handle > 64K just fine, it is a
little ill-behaved when short of memory; it tends to truncate files
without warning if it can't load it all in, which  I discovered
the hard way.  Otherwise the editor is fine, although the default
keybindings are pretty awful - just takes some time fooling with it
to "get it right". It doesn't handle tabbing well either, and the
options are either to use tabs=8 to insert 'hard tabs', or tabs=anything
else with spaces instead.  I prefer hard tabs and tabs=4 for C++
programming, so it didn't quite suit my taste, but I learned to live
with it.

Unfortunately the author doesn't seem to be contactable, since I tried
a couple of times, and also posted to this newsgroup to see if he could
be located, and nor are sources available. I would love to have fixed
a few things there, and I'd certainly still be using it if I could.

regards,

  david



Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: pietro@nova.bellcore.com (Pietro Manzoni)
Subject: Centering lines in vi
Reply-To: pietro@nova.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:52:57 GMT

Hi,
is there anybody who knows whether there is a :map command to center a
single line in VI?


Thanks 

-- Pietro

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email: pietro@nova.bellcore.com                 | andare, per dove dobbiamo
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From: napalm@ugcs.caltech.edu (Karen Bruner)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: recovering vi files after crashes
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:07:30 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: molest.ugcs.caltech.edu
Keywords: vi recover


After a machine crash, ex -r rarely gets back all files
vi was editing at crash time.  Is there a program that
can convert the binary Ex* and Rx* files in the tmp
directory back to the text files?

--

Mr. Kremlin himself was distinguished for ignorance, for he had only
one idea, -- and that was wrong.
					--Benjamin Disraeli
From: "G. Jeanette McWilliams" <wk00196@worldlink.com>
Subject: Conditional Register update
Organization: Performance InDeed! (512) 477-8219
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:29:27 GMT
X-Mailer: WORLDLink (3.11)

Subject: Re: Machines with cond. assignment instruction?

>Are there announced machines (specially micros) with
>some conditional assignment instruction.  I mean
>instruction such as the following:
>
>MovCond R1, R2, R3 /* if (c1) R1 <- R2 else R1 <- R3 */
>
>where, c1 refers to some result of some previous compare.
>
>Any pointers to such machines or any quantitative evaluation
>of usefulness of this instruction in the specific context
>of some machine would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Pradeep


     I believe that both DEC Alpha and (recent?) MIPS processors have 
instructions that work kind of like this.  

     MIPS uses it to minimize pipeline breakage (especially important 
on "superpiplined" implementations). 

     Alpha uses registers rather than condition code fields.  

     As I recall, on both MIPS and Alpha, either the target register is updated or is not updated (rather than being 
updated by one of two separate registers).  So it is not the exact 
instruction, but close ... the coding differences would seem 
inconsequential to me.

     My box full of information on processors is buried right now due to 
office remodelling, but for absolute answers about the processors mentioned, 
contact someone at SGI (nee MIPS ... John Mashey reads this newsgroup so I 
hope he'll correct me if I remember wrong).  I think I saw something posted 
by Dileep Bhandarkar recently, so he can set the Alpha story straight if I 
don't have it correct.


Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Re: ANDF bogosity
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:01:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.094642.1@tango.cchs.su.oz.au>, brennan@tango.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan) writes:
|> [...]
|> 	I can get DES sources from anywhere on the planet, yet I can't
|> 	re-export them once they land in USA??
|> 	What about all the PUBLISHED versions that have come from the
|> 	USA itself?
|> 	oooh..  right.. NOW it's clear..  U.S.A.  ...  right.. uh huh..

Our laws are made by congressmen who usually have no technical
qualifications.  Our laws are enforced by lawyers and/or police
who usually have no logical thought patterns at all (as if the
congress ever does).  So, if a law says "thou shalt not export 
such-and-such technology", these bozos will refuse to let you 
ship it out - even back to its original source!

Consider the infamous case of the Soviet reactor.  The Soviet Union
(when it still existed) sent a nuclear power source of the kind they
use in their deep-space probes to a technology exchange conference
as an exhibit.  It was a *real* reactor, but without the nuclear
material.  Well, the event ended and the Soviets wanted to ship the
thing back home.  Our laws wouldn't let them do so.  It is illegal
to ship such devices out of the U.S. - no matter *where* they came
from.  I never did hear how that came out.

In a world which contains Saddam Hussein and Mohamar Quadifi these
laws make a certain amount of sense.  It is their application that
often seems completely irrational.

-- 
J. Giles
Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki)
Subject: Re: Harvard architecture
Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:04:34 GMT

In article <2B51D662.29834@news.service.uci.edu> jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu  
(Joe Tien) writes:
> 
> Could someone direct me to a good definition of the harvard
> architecture? Is it dual memory port (each with own set of address and
> data bus) or is it just dual bus (separate address and data bus used for
> both instruction and data.)
> 
> If possible, I'd prefer some type of reference I can use in my paper,
> not that I don't trust the infinite wisdom of the net. :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Tien
> jtien@balboa.eng.uci.edu

Basically the second!

Once it was called Zuse architecture (then von Neumann took over).
After a while it got a writable control/instruction (as you like it) store  
and was called Harvard architecture; just to take over in the modern DSP  
designs.

Just as a start for argument ;-)
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