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From: psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST
Date: 12 Oct 1992 11:16:54 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Oct12.102853.11571@email.tuwien.ac.at> nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos) writes:
>jartsu@vipu.hut.fi (Jartsu) writes:
>: In article <gkxzv5n@rpi.edu> oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:
>: > 5) At least one University level Math or/and Cad Program such as
>: Mathematica,     Maple, Math-Cad, AutoCad, ProEngineer...
>Hmmm... Riemann? 
>

Am I the only one who has heard of Maple for the ST?  Its put out by the
University of Waterloo (or whoever does Maple) and costs quite a bit for the
ST version (I think somewhere between $200 and $500 US funds).

Anyway, I thought someone would have pointed this out by now.



                                Troy Carpenter
                        Department of Computer Sciences
                        THE University of Texas, Austin
                              psurge@cs.utexas.edu

"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Writing E-mails to GEnie.
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:59:01 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland


Is it possible to write e-mails to somebody at GEnie? To be more
specific, what address do I use to write to S.PRICE19 on GEnie?
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon in Holland
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:49:49 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

Peter.Kocourek@p13.f112.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek) writes:

>In a message of <04 Oct 92  22:06:26>, Hendrik Jan Veenstra (60:100/1) writes:

> HJ> why force customers to buy
> HJ> some dreadful 52 Meg HD? (which probably is a Seagate...?! ^**%$
> HJ>
> HJ> Hendrik "I like my 210M Quantum :)" Jan

>Peter "I like my 210M Maxtor" Kocourek. :-)

Stop the Seagate bashing!


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Warwick "I love my 248M Seagate" Allison. :)
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From: d8klojo@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan Klockars)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: C compiler test (TC 2.0, LC 5.52, GCC 2.1)
Keywords: C
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:11:30 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology



A couple of weeks ago I ran a test to find out once and for all which 
C compiler is the best one for the ST, ie which produces the fastest code.

I used the sources for MGIF 3.5, by Bill Rosenkranz, with some improvements.

The test picture used was a 263x394 pixel, 256 color image (52733 bytes).

The programs were compiled and run on my 4Mb STE.
All timings are approximate since I measured them by hand, but they should
be accurate to within 0.2 seconds, I think.


                         Turbo C 2.0   Lattice 5.52   GCC 2.1   Original

Load and unpack              9.4           10.6          9.9       26
+ draw on screen            32.6           34.1         33.0       66

Blur filter     bl          35.0           13.2          6.0       71
Convolution 3   v 3         40.6           17.8         14.0       77
Hist. equal.    he           2.6            2.5          2.3        3.4
Contr. exp. 2   co 2         7.2            8.8          9.0       16.1

Draw
with noise 50   n 50
and laplace 2   g 2         43.4           50.3         50.4       56.0

TC and LC uses register parameters, optimization and int = short.
GCC was used with the "-O2 -mshort" switches.
The values for "Original" are from MGIF 3.7, as distributed by Bill.

The time for the filters etc, were measured from the issuing of the command
until the screen cleared before displaying the new image.


As you can see in the table, the quality of the code generated by TC is far
worse than LC or GCC in the more complex functions.
If you look at the generated code it is obvious that TC does very little
"real" optimizing, but it's very good at register allocation.
From what I've heard about PureC, it should be the same.

LC is not very smart about the registers, but quite good at common expression
elimination and such things.

GCC beats the others hands down at code generation, but unfortunately can't
handle register parameters.


If you'd like to have the sources or binaries for my versions MGIF, contact
me by e-mail. I don't know Bill's position on distributing this, but I'll
try to reach him.




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Subject: Re: Which BBS should I use????
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:03:36 GMT

My vote's definitely for Fnordadel.  First, it's freeware, not
shareware.  Second, it's got the best damned user manual I've ever seen
in a shareware/PD/freeware release.  Third, it's been written by a
professional who actively supports his users through a custom networked
room which anyone using Fnordadel can pick up from a variety of
Fnordadel sites, including Round Table (the original home of Fnordadel)
and splunge.UUCP (the NeXTstation used to cross-compile the software 
for the Atari ST).  It's also stable on a variety of TOS versions -- to
the best of my knowledge, these include TOS 1.0, 1.02(1.2), 1.04(1.4),
and 2.05.  It also appears to run flawlessly on TTs.

"Fnordadel -- Canadian for 'damn good software'".  8^>

Garth Wood, Official Cheerleading Section for Fnordadel


-- 
Garth Wood          |  "A witty saying of some kind."
garth@splunge.uucp  |
From: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com (Craig Barnes - Sun UK - Senior Systems Admin N + SW Group Regio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Hard disk problems
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:15 GMT
Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Can anyone help me...

I have been copying large amounts of data (30 floppies) to a hard disk, some of the data on the floppies was corrupt and the directories created on the atari hard disk are empty, When I try to drag these into the waste bin I get an error message like this:-

	An item of the same name exists in this application 
	or the folder is set to read only.
	
Basically I cannot remove these empty folders. Anyone know how I can set them to RW on the hard disk and delete them.

Craig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Tramiel's got the spirit (was: New Mac Prices)
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:28:45 GMT

kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
>In <BvuLD4.At7@sci.kun.nl> sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:
>
>>In <1992Oct7.130423.15499@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>>[ Stuff deleted about PowerPC and such ]
>
>>>The best thing for Atari Corp. is to sell the company to _RESPONSIBLE_
>>>people that really care about the company.
>>... and turn it into the umpteenth MS-DOS clone company. No thanks. I
>>read somewhere that Tramiel said "We'd rather go bankrupt than make
>>boring PC-clones." (or similar). Now THAT's an attitude.
>
>Yes, that's the spirit! I like it.  After  all,  Atari  may  have
>marketed  their  machines  in  an  unprofessional  way,  but  the
>computers themselves are just great. Therefore, the  least  thing
>Atari  and  we  need  is  Atari  discontinuing  the  ST-TT-Falcon
>computer line and turning around to make boring  clones  or  even
>succumb to that Apple hype.
>
>Greetinx, Jan
>
> +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
> |             Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de               |
> |                                                                   |
> *----=<  hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans  >=-----*

Who said turning it into a PC company? Maybe you people are not aware of
the fact that Atari used to manufacture clones. If Tramiel really said,
" We'd rather go bankrupt than make boring PC-clones," he must be the
biggest idiot I ever came across. He made boring PC clones, that's why
they discontinued them. They couldn't compete so they decided to run
the other direction and try with the STE/TT/Falcon again. Who is 
Tramiel kidding? If he would have made money with the PC, they would
forget the ST completely and move to the PC because that's where the
big money is. It didn't work.....

Jan, no offense but I just read in "Electronics" magazine that germany
has the highest piracy rate in the world. ;-)

I assume that - The Moral von der Geschicht, halbe Eier rollen nicht...

Mark K.
Flames to dev/null.
Fan Mail to kovarski@zooid.guild.org


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mjb@cs.nott.ac.uk (M J Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Chaos on atari.archive!
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08:38:09 GMT

In article <Bw4354.4v2@math.uwaterloo.ca> mwtilden@math.uwaterloo.ca (Mark W. Tilden) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.122024.15321@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (`Grave' Dave Gymer) writes:
>>the files are still in New/chaos.arc, New/chaos1.msa, and
>>New/chaos2.msa.  Of course, Jeff Weiner may have moved them into
>>Games!
>
>Got 'em.  But what the hells an 'msa'.  What do I use to unpack them?
>
>Is all.
>

Ok, you need the program MSA (Magic Shadow Archiver) and a disk formatter that
will do 11sectors and 82 tracks, I'd recommend Fcopy III or Pro for this.
Then just follow the instructions in chaos.doc which is in chaos.arc; use
ARC for this!

If it still doesn't work then either you haven't got a Megabyte or more of memory
(if so, why did you download it?), or it got corrupted when you downloaded it.

Compatability: Chaos should work on any machine with 1Mb+ of memory whose disk
drive can handle 11 sectors 82 tracks.  I don't know about it working on the
STe, TT or Falcon; any offers anyone?



Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: Falcon Refresh Rates
Keywords: Falcon, refresh
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:37:43 GMT

bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert) writes:


>What's wrong with 60 Hz?   All TVs in the U.S. use this (as do all STs
>currently). Does this detract from the picture quality?   And the UK
>seems to get along just fine on 50 Hz.  

Let's say 60Hz is just all right and 50 is not. After all expensive TVs use a
double scan mechanism to get 100/120Hz refresh rates. You can easily see the
difference if you focus on something (or somewhere) slightly above your
monitor. You will see that it flickers a lot. (But that's already a lot better
on 60Hz.)

Does the TT have 60Hz for all its built-in resolutions? I'd like to know
because I recently got the idea of buying a TT just after the Falcon gets
introduced (there must be some pretty cheap +-1 year old TTs on the market by
then!). After all MultiTOS will run a lot better on a TT with loads of fast RAM
than on that `stupid' MultiMedia games machine.


-- 
Annius Victor Groenink      Universiteit Utrecht      PTT Research Leidschendam
Mathematics/Comp. Sc.        avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       +31 70 3325445 (weekdays)
Atari ST/Music          A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl  +31 70 3464732 (evenings)
_____________My opinions are my opinions____________  +31 5700 29396 (weekends)
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Which BBS should I use????
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:27:14 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

tevans@unislc.uucp (Terry Evans) writes:
>    I have been thinking of setting up a BBS on my coputer at home
> and I was wondering what BBS do the user's out there like?  
> 
>    I would like the BBS to be a PD version if there are some that
> are acceptable to use.  (Acceptable means that it doesn't bomb,
> is easy to maintain, etc..)  I noticed that there are two at 
> atari.archive.umich.edu and they are called fnordadel and stadel.
> How are they??
 
  Fnordadel is EXCELLENT.  It takes maybe 10 minutes to set up, and then 
can run pretty much forever with no maintenance.  STadel is the old 
version, and has some problems...  The only problem with any Citadel is 
doors.  If you want to use doorgames, you're going to have an uphill 
battle...  Mail me if you need help with doorgames, I've got 5 running 
right now (including several Forem-only doors)
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-2078)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:15178 ne.forsale:4552 misc.forsale:28624
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,ne.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: For Sale:Spectre GCR mac plus emulator for Atari ST w/roms $325
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:41:09 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


For Sale: Spectre GCR mac plus emulator for the Atari ST line of
computers. Comes with mac 128k ROMS and version 3.0 of the spectre
software all for just $325 obo.

Contact Steve Selick at <selick@csa.bu.edu> or call 617-782-2219
From: elvis@watserv.ucr.edu (Andrew  Cullum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: NeoDesk and MultiDesk problem
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:20:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.22996
Distribution: usa

Well, the other day, I was going through a bunch of old disks, seeing which 
ones I could erase and use again, when I came upon one of old games.  One of
those games was haunted, which had never seemed to work quite right on my
color monitor (really, I am getting to the problem), so now that I have a
multisync, I thought I'd try it in mono.  Well, it didn't work at all correctly
and I couldn't even see how to quit out, so I rebooted.  When the computer came
back up, I got two bombs when Neodesk tried to load, and it said to hit any key
to continue.  I did so, and got four bombs, and it froze up (even Ctrl-Alt-Del
didn't work).  So, thinking that there was just something in memory, I reset
again, then getting more desperate, powered off and then on again.  From that
point on, I've simply got four bombs (occasionally bombs all the way across
the screen), and a frozed computer.  Through selecting what would load at
bootup, it has come down to these two not working together any more.  They work
when I put just those two on a floppy and boot off it, but not if I remove 
everything from the auto folder and all accs from the root dir (except  
multidesk of course).  Thinking that somehow something had happened to the
hard drive, I backed everything up and formatted it.  When I first just put
NeoDesk and MultiDesk on it, it booted fine.  When I restored everything else
(but renamed the auto folder so it wouldn't load, and made all the acc's into
acx's), it started bombing again.  However, sometimes now it tells me its out
of system memory and to try using Foldr100 to fix the problem.  I'd never
needed it before, but figured it was worth a shot, but after I installed it,
I was simply back at the four bombs.  All this has me very confused.  They
worked fine till I rebooted after running some of the games, and I'd really 
rather not have to give one of them up.  So, does anyone have any ideas on this
one?  I can't think of what could simply be on the hard drive, but not running,
that would cause them to conflict.  Any help would really be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew Cullum (elvis@watserv.ucr.edu)
From: mbaffoni@skat.usc.edu (Michael Baffoni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is it possible to get Aladin?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:02:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu
Keywords: aladin mac emulator

In article <1992Oct8.231719.18892@unislc.uucp> tevans@unislc.uucp (Terry Evans) writes:
>    I heard that there is a mac emulator for the Atari ST
>called Aladin.  Is it possible to get it?  There is an 
>Aladin in atari.archive.umich.edu, is this the right one,
>and if so is it the latest version?

	No it isn't.  The Aladin up on a.a. is a GEnie navigator to automate
up/downloads, messages, etc.

	The Aladdin product you are looking for is a commercial (not PD) 
product that was developed in Europe and got Squashed! by Apple, and is no 
longer in business (that I know of...).

	If you would like a Mac emulator, contact Gadgets By Small.  I don't
have their number, but there are numerous people on the net who do if you
are interested.

>tevans

-Mike
From: brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MegaSTE for sale AUSTRALIA Melbourne
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:40:23 GMT
Organization: Data General Australia, Melbourne

MegaSTE 4MB 52MB HDD 720KB INT FDD
1040STF 1MB 720KB INT FDD
SC1224 Colour monitor
SM125  Mono monitor
External 720kb FDD
Star NX1000 9 Pin dot matrix
Atari mouse x 2, Golden Image mouse
Omniswitch
Joystick, Joystick/Mouse cable extender, 4 joystick adaptor cable
Monitor stand dor SC1224, dustcovers for 1040STF. SC1224, SM125 & mouse
Computes Atari ST artist book
Manuals for all of the above
PROGRAMS:
29 Blank disks
51 Magazine disks & 43 ST related magazines
25 Public domain disks
10 Utility disks (Including DEVPAC2, Good Back Up, Intro ST Machine Code)
141 Original Games programs (All complete with manuals, some in boxes, 
                             1/4 of which are FRP games)
If anyone is interested in all of the above (I'd prefer NOT to seperate,
then make me an ooffer. Dont consider the 1040STF when making your offer
as I'm throwing tht in for free, its usefull for running some of the very
old programs. As a note of interest I paid A$2,795.00 for the MEGA?STE
1 year ago (I know, I'm a sucker)
Rgds
Fred Brown 03 698 6881 WK
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:08:41 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1b3v1pINN8pf@falcon.natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>
>ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>
>> But everyone is just speculating and
>> guessing at this point since you really can't buy one.  
>
>	In my October '92 issue of Atari Advantage it said that the Falcons
>should be shipping in the UK at the time of print.  It also has a picture
>of the motherboard :-).

I have a picture of the motherboard too, but I don't have that issue yet. :^)

So, anyone in the UK want to tell us if the Falcons are shipping?  Glen,
you and I still can't buy one -- unless you want to order it from overseas.



BTW, did you see my review of XBoot in that issue? :^)

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   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp   Contributing Editor, Atari Explorer Online
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)            Vice-President, ABACUS User Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jartsu@vipu.hut.fi (Jartsu)
Subject: Re: Tramiel's got the spirit (was: New Mac Prices)
Reply-To: Jari.Lehto@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Oct10.212845.27452@zooid.guild.org>
	<1992Oct11.175845.24330@news.nd.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.175845.24330@news.nd.edu> jmillar@rodin.helios.nd.edu (jay millar) writes:

> I am posting this message to see if I am not alone in my opinions.

You are not alone...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Subject: Re: GIF viewers
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.095909.162192@zeus.calpoly.edu> rfritz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ryan E. Fritz) writes:
>
>Are there any good GIF viewers?  I have been converting GIFs to SPC format
>for quite some time, but would like to be able to view GIF files without
>having to convert them first.  Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome!
>Thanks.

Try GemView, it supports over 20 different image types and will also support
TT resolutions or graphics cards (like Crazy Dots, for example), and
hopefully Falcon resolutions too.  It also runs as a desk accessory and
seems to be a well-written program.  It's available on atari.archive under
the Graphics directory.

>
>-- 
> +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
> | rfritz@poseidon.calpoly.edu   | "Just like a car crash, just like a knife, |
> | Ryan E. Fritz                 |   my favorite weapon, is the look in your  |
> | Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA |    eyes... You ran out of lies!"  MINISTRY |

Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:35:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: jonh.H.ea.2B09mCTClAQ
Distribution: world
Organization: One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <1arormINN2dv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz 
(Craig Shore) writes:

>What about those of us that have no interest in the falcon at the 
> moment and just want to get on with using and enjoying our ST's ???
>Right now I can't afford, and am not going to be able to afford
> a Falcon for quite some time... the economy has seen to that here. It's
> got to that stage where all these posts about the falcon are boring and
> of no interest to me. 

    Go read the "How to create a new newsgroup" file in news.announce.newusers.
Then read news.groups for a while. If, after that, you think there's any
possibility of creating a new newsgroup for a computer that's not even for
sale yet, feel free to organise a CFD and vote.


-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Genie access
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:24:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.98517
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


After a recent post to this newsgroup, I tried every conceivable mailing
address to a friend at Genie with no success. I know he is a current
genie user. Let's say his name is John Doe. I have tried
J.DOE.GENIE@GENIE.GEIS.COM and JOHN.DOE.GENIE@GENIE.GEIS.COM and even
J.DOE@GENIE.GEIS.COM and JOHN.DOE@GENIE.GEIS.COM and each one bounces
back saying "not on the standard user database" or something. I have 2
friends that I have tried this with and neither one works. Has anybody
successfully sent mail from internet to Genie? What would the genie
user use to mail to me from Genie? Would I get a return address from
them? Sorry that this really doesn't have much to do with atari, except
that it is an atari user (me) trying to get in touch with other atari
users.

Later,
Steve <selick@csa.bu.edu>