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From: Heilberg@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Cindy Heilberger)
Subject: SPOILERS - GERALDS GAME
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:59:34 GMT

	I just finished reading Gerald's Game and I liked it very 
much.  Unlike some others, I read it quickly not to get it over with but 
because the pacing of the story made me anxious.  I wanted this woman to be 
free and I couldn't wait for it to happen.  I thought some of the "feminist" 
issues were less than subtle (using a father/daughter seduction scene is 
heavy handed as is sexual bondage) but were handled suprisingly well.  

	The scene where she first sees the man in her bedroom scared me 
something fierce.  I was truly suprised this guy was real.

	I wanted to address something someone (sorry, don't keep track of 
all of your names) mentioned about King's use of forewarning (i.e. it was 
the last time she saw him alive or some such wording).  I've always been 
touched by this, in fact sometimes King's writing has not scared me as much 
as touched me with its pathos.  One of life's most frightening and 
heartbreaking aspects is that we just don't know what's waiting for us...or 
for those close to us or for the guy who just sold us a newspaper.  ANYTHING 
can happen and there's something very shocking when you think about this.  
King forces us to think about this and to tell the truth, it's shaded my way 
of thinking.   

	I've also been touched by King's absolutely devastating use of 
children (our OWN kids).  King's biggest fear seems to be something 
happening to his kids.  I almost couldn't continue reading Pet Sematary 
after the guy had a dream about his little boy (the one run over by the car) 
He dreamt that he was actually OK and grew up and graduated from school and 
all.  So real...did anyone go through anything really horrible and then 
dream it was all ok and then woke up and realized the real nightmare was 
being awake.

Just some thoughts.

Cindy
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:05:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug18.203040.9869@mdd.comm.mot.com> ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>>I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
>>one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
>>are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The


Just an aside. In "Gerald's Game", King's Jessie Burlingame refers to the
beginning lines of Poe's "The Tell-Tale Heart" (punctuation?) when describing
how she feels at one point. I wonder exactly how King sees Poe's writing?!?

				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

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                                                  there in the light---
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From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Re: Barker and sex 
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.182824.27131@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:
>
>A few other writers manage the fusion of sex and horror well.
>For instance, Karl Edward Wagner and Grant Morrison both have 
>stories in _Hotter Blood_ which are worthy of note.
>
>These are just the examples that come to mind. I'm sure I can
>come up with a few others, if there is any demand.

How about Anne Rice ... she does some reaaaaally sexy vampires!

- Cypherkat (mrrrow!) 
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:48:01 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <12591@operator>, oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:
|> Can someone please recommend which version of _The Stand_ is best?

   Read the uncut version.  I never read the original, but from what I
understand, the things that were cut were very important to the development
of at least one of the characters.  IMHO this is what King does best.
In the foreword, King says something like "parts that were useless to the 
story were left on the cutting room floor where they belonged."  

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Opinions expressed are mine, not Dan Quayle's or IBM's.
From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: test
Date: 5 Aug 92 13:34:15 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

This is a test.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Barker and sex
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:20:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Oh, for crying out loud ... since when did all authors have to write
> the same?  So, some write this way, some don't!  That doesn't make it
> any less valid!

Ooooooh, flame flame, flame away.  When did I ever say Barker's stories
"weren't valid", whatever that means?  Someone said that they thought all
the sex in Barker's stories seemed perfectly natrual and not out of place,
and I said I disagreed, that it seemed to me from reading Barker's stories
that he's constantly dwelling on sex (as well as other bodily functions),
that it DID seem out of place TO ME, and that TO ME it seems his stories
are often more about his own hangups than anything else.  That's all --
sorry it seems to pain you so much that I have an opinion.

I don't dislike Barker as much as I dislike Steven King, BTW.  If you've
experienced some painful dislike of Clive Barker in your past, don't
attribute it to me.

> But I think you're going to have a hard time finding one that doesn't
> use any sort of sex in their work.  I'm sorry if it makes you
> uncomfortable, but sex and horror have been closely linked for a
> long, long time.   

Hmmm, maybe that's the whole problem then.  Sex and horror have never realy
been linked with me -- guess I'm just luckier in love than most horror
readers, or something!

> You wouldn't want a guy who'd been living in the city all his life
> to try to write a story based in a small rural town, without ever
> even going to visit a rural town, would you?  The story would be flat
> and 2- dimensional, and chock-full of stereotypes.

Awww, you're not going to come out an tell me that Ann Rice spent seven
years as a journalist living and working with vampires or something, now
are you?
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What is "Horror" (was Re: Koontz, McCammon, Saul
Keywords: my opinions
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:52:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug10.150536.8901@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.151420.22202@cbnews.cb.att.com> sek@cbnews.cb.att.com (stephanie.e.kearns) writes:
>
>>Boys Life was great, too - even though, as someone pointed out, it wasn't
>>really horror.  
>	OK...this is something that bothers me. What IS horror?
>	does it have to have vampires? Blood? Is there a
>	formula for what horror is? A set of criteria, a list
>	of elements a book or story or movie must have?
>	or "this isn't". It strangles our creativity, our mind.
>	When you start creating walls, eventually you will find yourself
>	fenced in.

I think Darin has a very good point. What _is_ horror, anyway? I think it's a
question worthy of discussion. What do you guys think?

				Laurel
	

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:26:31 EDT

In article <1992Aug10.232449.17371@news.mentorg.com> bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (Bob Cannard @ PCB x5565) writes:
>
>Of course not. Dee translated from Olaus Wormius' Latin translation, as any
>ful no...


	Heh, heh, heh, heh. Too much.  Watch out, you're gonna
	warp some impressionable minds with this Necronomicon
	stuff.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University

	P.S. My edition of the original Latin translation is for sale.
	Only $100.  I can't keep lugging it around. Too heavy. Plus,
	for all you who are interested, I've also got this chinese
	puzzle box I can't seem to open. It's yours, cheap...



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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:39:25 GMT

graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano) writes:

>Wasn't it a change from a Payday to a snickers? (or milky way - anyway, Payday
>was the original candy bar).  The reason for the change follows the formfeed.

>But first: King made a number of other 'topical' changes to the book.  Larry's
>Datsun becomes a Nissan.  Madonna makes a musical appearance.  There are
>others.  Many of them took me out of the story and annoyed me.

If you read the intro, King updated the action from the 70's to the 80's,
hence the small detail changes.  

IMHO, this time-frame change was a stupid idea.  The characters have a
seventies feel about them (esp. Underwood), so throwing them into the 80's
seemed ana-anachronistic (:-)  The whole idea reeks of editorial/advertising
snivelling, and I guess ole Stevie just went along for the ride.
--
Dave!
From: auvers@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (E.M. Auvers)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Vampire advise
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:42:34 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Total disOrganization

>  I was wondering if anyone could point me toward some Vampire material
>(books or movies) where the Vampire is the main character.  Not trash like
>the movie To Die For but something thought provoking. 
>                                     Thanks, 
>                                   Steve

I suggest you contact The Dragon {unclrp@unc.bitnet} who archives book and
movie reviews for the Bitnet VAMPYRES list.  He'll be more than happy to send
you a copy of the updated list.  

You could also subscribe to the list itself by contacting your friendly
neighborhood listserv.

Hope this helps.

Y'r Ob'd'nt S'v't
Salieri
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Steven King idiosyncracies (was Re: The Stand)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:49:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> who would mention Poe and King in the same breath deserves to think
> that King is good.  Let's face it- Poe is, IMO, one of the greatest
> authors that America has ever produced and is worth any number of
> Stephen "Diarrhea of Words, Constipation of Ideas" King.  Perhaps if
> Poe reworked the "Author's character takes revenge on Author" bit or
> the "Yuppies adults confront their childhood terrors" schtick, then
> maybe you would like him more.  Personally, I don't like King because
> he doesn't have his characters throw in enough pop culture references
> every time thay open their mouths.

ARRGH!  Thank the lord, someone else who seems to see some of the reasons I
just can't deal with Steven King.  And this dislike isn't coming from one
who doesn't understand the author in question here, either, folks -- I've
read some of King's short stories, and I've devoted who knows how much of
my time to ploughing through what is probably his longest piece of trash
ever (the uncut "Stand").

The absolute WORST, IMHO, was "The Mist".  My sister got an audio tape
where they dramatized this story.  If you've ever heard people wandering
around a supermarket translated into radio drama, you know you have 
witnessed the EPITOME of Steven King's style.   To wit:

"Daddy, let's get the Hostess Cupcakes and the Crunch Tators."

"Wouldn't you really prefer the Frito Lay Sour Cream and Onion chips?"

"Yeah, okay, and get some Diet Coke, and Kingsford Charcoal.  But don't
get the Kingsford lighter fluid, Royal Glow is better."

(In no way verbatim, but you get the picture -- actors rattling off inane
conversations about brand name products in a witless effort to try and
create some sense of "realism" or "every day life".  Sorry, but my life 
isn't a commercial break in a sitcom.)

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From: rsykes@AFIT.AF.MIL (Robert K. Sykes)
Subject: Re: Puppet Master (& other Full Moon Movies)
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:19:55 GMT

In article <7n3vr*Ci0@luser.UUCP> mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein) writes:
>From: mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein)
>Subject: Re: Puppet Master (& other Full Moon Movies)
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 02:17:43 EDT

>Full Moon Entertainment has produced some decent stuff.  The one I'm waiting
>for is Dr. Mordrid!  It stars our ol' buddy Jeffry Combs of Reanimator I and
>II, From Beyond fame.  I send away for my free poster the other day (along
>with my Trancers III poster :-)

>I wonder where they got the idea for Dr. Strange ..... I mean Dr. Mordrid?

>My only fear is that I'm getting too hyped on this movie.  I did this with
>Robocop II.  I expected something awesome.  I only got a piece of garbage I
>wouldn't let my dog watch.

     I enjoy all of the Full Moon Pictures, and I can't wait until Dr. 
Mordrid, plus with Jefferey Combs in it from great movies like Trancers II & 
Pit & the Pendulum and the others you mentioned it should be great.
     What FREE poster deal are you refering too and how can I get in on it?  
I have some friends at a video store that usally give me Full Moon posters 
but I haven't received any in awhile.  Let me know as soon as you can.
     I also can't wait until Robot Wars it's looking pretty good especially 
since the last FM Newsletter.
     Let me know as soon as you can, thanks.
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: To Oliver: horror
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:33:40 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     Please give McCammon another chance.. I loved his book, "Swan Song," and
read a novella of his in an anthology called "Obsessions," called, "The
Counselor."  Great story!
     I agree with you on Red Dragon.  Fascinating book, as was "Silence of the
Lambs."  I am hoping he will do just as well on the next book he's writing and
the the film will be done as well.


phluuke@maria.wustl.edu

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From: acscehw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ELIOT WINER)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The dark half
Summary: Change is good
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug10.223700.20504@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes...
>In article <wB2aPB4w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>|>      From at I heard, George Romero directing the Dark Half was supposed to
>|> make it a slam-bang film.. With an actor like Timothy Hutton in the lead, I
>|> don't see how it CAN go straight to video unless Romero totally ruined the
>|> film.
> 
>      The Dark Half is going to be an excellent movie, if you haven't read
>the book.  It was THE book that hooked me on King, but now I find it 
>lacking compared to the Stand, IT, and The Gunslinger Series.  The Dark Half
>does not delve into the characters as did King's other novels, and spends more
>time describing action.  The writer in the book (Thad) was a representation of
>himself (ie, using a pen name, writing books with more action).  As I read the
>Bachman Books, I realized that these were more action driven than other King novels and correlated them with the "action-spy-thug" books that Thad wrote in
>the Dark Half.
> 
>Any opinions?
> 

I agree with what you said about the Dark Half being a more action driven
book, but change is a good thing.  I find it amazing that King can write
in such different manners.  If he were to write with the same style and intent
in every work he would have quickly faded out.  It is his ability to change
and never let his audience know what to expect from a book, page, or a line
of text.  
The Dark Half is what got me started on King also.  Since then I have read
just about everyone of his books.  Granted there are similarities in alot
of the works but there are also glaring differences.  These changes in stories,
themes, and descriptions are what keep us all going back for more Stephen King.






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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Barker and sex
Date: 21 Aug 1992 00:42:21 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Ummm ... you're saying that he's trying to make you feel creepy about
> your own body and he's trying to draw a connection between sex and
> violence? OF COURSE he is!  HE'S A _HORROR_ WRITER!  Geez!  Get a
> grip on the genre.

I've read plenty of horror writers who don't go for this particular tack.
I'm just saying it doesn't fly for me.  It seems like he's drawing on his
OWN hangups, more than the roots of any real fears most people have.  I
guess you can say it's a nice try, though.
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,alt.cult-films
Subject: Re: How is Basket Case 3?
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:21:00 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Aug15.204309.5369@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker) writes:
> I am a fan ofthe first two Basket Case movies, and I saw
> Basket Case 3 is out.  How does it measure up to the first two?
> 
Not as good, but worth a look for any Basketcase fan.  It's done more
in the spirit of Basketcase 2 than the original.  Has some neato
creative deaths, as I believe they're called.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: looking for stories
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:05:44 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <cass8806.162@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
> 	for rather complex reasons which i shall not go into here -- i find 
> myself in search of tales of the "supernatural" written by women anytime 
> during the 19th century and into the early 20th century -- the only criteria 
> is that they (the woman) were writing in the 19the century.
> 	the more obscure the better. any ideas?
> 	thanks.

Mary Shelly's FRANKENSTEIN comes to mind first.
Written in unparalleled 19th century prose style.
A worthwhile read if only for the language.
But the story itself is fabulous too; you'll see
that all the movies you've seen have been only bare outlines.

--danny
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
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From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: New horror writers
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:21:15 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:

>
> 
> About Stephen King: this is what I've been saying too, but a lot of people
> think he needs to have more editing. I don't. I think his talent also lies in
> his deliberate examination of detail, which I feel is a form of editing in
> itself.
> About Dean Koontz: I haven't read enough of his work to really say much, but
> what I have read ("Bad Place" and "Cold Fire"), I have liked.
> About Clive Barker: I would never say he is _only_ a horror writer. He has a
> very good imagination that covers several different genres.
> What other authors do you like/dislike?
> 
> 				Laurel
>  
> __________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________
> 
> Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
> laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
>                                                   there in the light---
> (Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
>  the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
> _______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
> 
     I mentioned Dan Simmons and Robert R. McCammon earlier who I think are two
authors with great talent..  My favorite all-around writer is Harlan Ellison
who wrote one of the most terrifying stories I've ever read, "I Have No Mouth
and I Must Scream"   How about you?

phluuke@maria.wustl.edu


> 

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