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From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Not a stifle problem: Triscuit Update
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:36:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I'm so excited I just had to make a quick post.  A few days ago I posted about
my lease horse, Triscuit, and what we thought was a stifle problem.  Well,
today a lameness expert was out at Moondrift to look at a few horses, 
including Triscuit.  I was nervous because another horse with a suspected
stifle problem was recommended to have an injection (iodine and something
else) as well as some other work.  Well, when Triscuit's turn came, the 
vet/lameness expert almost immediately diagnosed it as the fact that Triscuit
was hitting herself in the fetlock/funny bone with her other hoof.  Seems she
swings her hind feet around and once in a while knocks herself in the leg.
Corrective shoeing should solve it.

Needless to say, I am very excited.  Even though I am just leasing, I'm sure
y'all all know about getting attached to the big beasties.  I hope this
fixes the problem! <crosses fingers and smiles big>

Two more things.  I would recommend Colorado Equine Services for people in
the Denver area.  Based on this one experience, I was impressed with her
professionalism, the way she addressed people like me directly and by name,
as well as the time she spent with each horse.  Plus, the time to explain 
what she was doing, why, details of diagnoses, etc.  Second, thank you to 
everyone who sent advice and encouragement.  Triscuit still doesn't have the
best stifles in the world, so all the recommeded exercises will be applied!

Sorry this is so long..  I'm just thrilled and feel like leasing has helped 
me learn *so* much (to be applied when I someday own my own..).  

								   jill


*  Anne Meridiem (Jill Engel)  *"Cows don't give milk,        *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *                we take it... *
*                              *                              * 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jmares@tasha (John E. Mares)
Subject: Re: Mare hormonal problems?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171956.3892@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>>What my current vet/chiropracter/accupuncturist, my riding instructor and I are
>>thinking is that she has hormonal problems.  She first starting going into heat
>>in February.  She starts doing well when she comes into heat.  And continues to
>>do well for about two weeks after.  We started suspecting this two months ago
>>so I don't have any real hard evidence.  We are going to try treat her for
>>these problems.  I don't want to use Regimate (sp?).  My vet says she has some
>>homeopathic stuff that is supposed to help.
>>
>
>I'm curious: why don't you want to use Regumate? I have heard
>nothing but positive responses to it -- but if there are
>counter-indications, I would like to hear them.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu

   ReguMate in our experience is quite reliable.  However, it is very expensive

le of days.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (John W. Fippen - Invoice)
Subject: Arabs in dressage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:58:45 GMT

We have Arab horses and train in dressage. We've had the horses for 23
years but only been in dressage 5 years. At this point I'm beginning to
see the desireable characteristics of a good dressage horse. You know , of
course, that dressage is like a cross between balerina and gymnastics for
the horses. We have 2 show horses and 7 horses in training now, so our
sample is large enough to see differences. In the halter world they have a
saying "he stands to front"; it is undesireable here, but in dressage it is
highly desireable. The hind legs have to be far enough under the horse to
be about 12" forward of the tailhead (normal horses are about 6"
forward); this forward stance gives the horse the ability to "track", that is,
one foot falls in the track of another. It naturaly follows that such a horse
will drive from the hocks and will  thus NOT be heavy on the fore but
rather light and airy; THIS is the ultimate in dressage if you also have a
horse that is obedient and happy. Happy riding.  John Fippen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: yawning ?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:16:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.141039.16646@pbs.org>, mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
|> 
|> I just read something in a magazine last night and I
|> just had to post and get comments.  it said that horses
|> can't yawn.  But I know that when Quest is bored and
|> is forced to stand and wait for something (like the
|> farrier or braiding) he starts yawning--and he yawns
|> really big too.  Could this be something other than yawning,
|> or could it be that horses really do yawn?
|> 
|> Also, I've noticed this past year that Quest is getting
|> a really loose lower lip--almost flappy when he's really
|> relaxed.  Does this just happen as they get older, or is
|> he just getting lazier as he gets older?  :-)
|> 
|> Any comments?
|> 
|> Melanie
|>    and Quest
|> -- 
|> **************************************************************
|>           Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
|> **************************************************************
|> "In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
|> Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
|> quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
|> **************************************************************

My guys yawn too.  And that lower lip droops when they're getting
brushed or (FINALLY!) when they're getting their lips clipped.
(My four-year-old droops his lip, and the two-year-old is getting
close to that point.)  The yearling is still pretty much "You
aren't getting that buzzy thing near my mouth!"  I think it's
a relaxed/trust thing (and something to aim for).

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Appaloosas
From: marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: trailer brakes
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:32:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2146
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX
Originator: marym@tzone.mpd.tandem.com

We are (finally) hooking up the electric brakes on our trailer.
All the wires underneath have been disconnected. Can anyone help?

It is a dual axel. With brakes on the rear axel. There appear to
be 2 wires coming out of each drum. What do they do? I have one
wire (hot, obviously) coming back from the brake controller. 

And while we are on the subject. Of what wood are trailer floors usually
made?  

All hints greatly appreciated.
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Home trials, (Was: Drugging horses for sale)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:21:42 GMT
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	<1992Jul28.004346.12479@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: aviator@athena.mit.edu's message of 28 Jul 92 00:43:46 GMT


aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
] I would never let my horse leave the barn for a trial period if he
] were for sale.  Reasons?  Most buyers are total strangers, you have
] no idea how they might ride when not in the ring in front of you.
] What if they decide a good test for soundness if to jump an unfit
] horse for 3 hours? ...  I would, however, let a buyer have a trial
] period at *my* barn, where I could keep an eye on them for the duration
] of the trial.  I really can't think of anything you can do at another 
] barn that you couldn't do at the home barn ...

Your right about the risks, to the buyer, of allowing a home trial. But
you've not mentioned one important aspect of it : access to the horse.

A buyer who has the horse on home trial can better control access.
This means the buyer can control what the horse is fed, how much exercise
it recieves and perhaps most importantly what drugs if any it receives.
Drugging a horse to mask a physical or behavioral problem is not unknown,
and unless the buyer can control access to the horse 24-hours a day, the
buyer can't be sure it isn't being done.

Your objections are good ones, however. In my wife and my's past
experience we've once gotten a home trial ( from a private owner ),
but for my horse we didn't : we bought him from a dealer ( Phil
Quartier, in Richfield Springs, NY ) who we had talked to our
favorite tack store owner about ( Margie of Circling Hawks, 
who seemed to know everyone and everything going on in the area ),
and we'd talked to other people in the horse biz. He had an excellent
reputation for quality stock, fair dealing and customer satisfaction, 
so we were comfortable buying from him without a home trial.
If a buyer is planning to buy from a dealer, researching the
dealers reputation is one of the most important thing they can do.

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Subject: Where are the exp'd riders when I need 'em? (Was: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:50:41 GMT

Okay, I've been reading this whole guide/no guide debate, and I've stayed
out of it because I can see both sides, and, really, I have nothing new to
add.  But every time I see a post from someone who sounds like they really
are a responsible, experienced rider who just can't afford a horse, I find
myself looking at the header in the faint hope that they're in northern NJ.
I would absolutely love to find someone I could trust, who would put my
mare to use.  (Some of you may remember the TB I found "by accident" a few
months ago.)  She's only green broke, so I can't put beginners on her (though
she has a very mellow disposition), and I just don't have the time to ride
her as much as she needs, right now.  (My SO just got out of the hospital,
and in the process of buying a house, and the stable moved so that now it's
over an hour away from my current location...)  At this rate, she's going
to go straight from green-broke to retired! :-)  I don't want to sell her
(and would only consider that as a last resort), and I don't want to lease
her as I want to be able to ride her occasionally, myself.  Of the other
boarders whom I trust, there's no one who is a good enough English rider
(mostly a Western barn) and who has the time for another horse.  I'm not
even particularly concerned with the expenses (i.e. a partial lease)...I
just want her ridden.  Unfortunately, I'm also not able to pay anyone to
ride her, so that rules out that.  And I trust the folks where I board
(plus the cost is very reasonable) so I'm not going to move her closer to
home.  (Besides, once I move, I'll be a good bit closer.)

So...Does anybody out there know an experienced, trustworthy rider who
might be interested in riding a green-broke, 7 year old TB?  We've got
tons of trails - no official guides required, :-) though I would insist
that she not be taken out alone (at least at first - she's just learning
what trails are).  That shouldn't be a problem, though...there's always
somebody heading out for a trail ride.  And, there's always the ring and
the fields immediately surrounding the barn.  BTW, the stable is located
in Wantage (Sussex County) NJ.  Sigh...Liz, if only you were closer (and
not pregnant)! :-)

Roberta (...who would have loved a deal like this when I was in college!)
and Co Kay Sem (...who may or may not like this idea :-) )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: working in Germany/message to Yvonne
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:06:50 GMT

>Reiterhof Lehey is a training camp for horse riding situated in the
>Vogelsberg district of Hessen, more or less in the geographical centre
>of Germany. Our primary activity is vacation courses for school girls,
>though we have other activities outside the school vacations. We teach
>the ``light'' riding style as described by Ursula Bruns and Linda
>Tellington-Jones, though we are not in any way associated with them.
>
>In the months of August to October we have positions vacant for
>assistants aged 18 or older. Duties include caring for the horses, who
>will remain at pasture as long as this is practical - at least all of
>August and September, possibly all of October as well - and caring for
>the guests, up to 18 girls aged between 8 and 16, including
>housekeeping duties and accompanying rides. Suitable candidates may
>also participate in instruction.
>
>Compensation includes food and acommodation, free riding within
>practical limits, and DM 800 (about $550) per month. Good ability with
>horses and an understanding of German are both of great advantage.
>
>Please reply to: yvonne%lemis@germany.eu.net, or call +49-6637-1401
>(if you get the answering machine, the message means more or less what
>you might expect :-).

A friend of mine is looking for a job overseas, starting in mid to
late August and going as long as possible. She is tremendously
experienced in showjumping and flatwork in the English style, and is
fun, happy and easy to get along with. Should I recommend this
program to her? She is, I believe, 19 years old, and would make an
excellent counsellor or instructor.  I don't think, though, that she
knows German. Let me know what you think.

p.s.--I tried to reply directly, but it bounced back like a cat with
rubber paws...HELP?!?!?!

Thanks for your time,

gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,rec.sport.olympics
From: sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza)
Subject: Re: Cheated already!
Keywords: fie on NBC
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.011557.21839@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) writes:
>Wow!  They didn't even wait 48 hours to cheat PPV subscribers -
>the 1:45 segment of 3-day dressage that was supposed to air this
>morning (Monday) at 7:15AM wasn't there - instead, we were "treated"
>to Greco-Roman wrestling.  I've heard various stories from 
>1-800-OLYMPICS about _why_ I didn't see what I paid for (this AM
>it was "technical difficulties - it'll be on at 7:15PM", tonight
>it was "someone decided that the American wrestler was more interesting
>than the Austrialian eventer"), but it all boils down to the fact
>that I missed 1 hour and 45 minutes of coverage that was the *only*
>reason I bought PPV.
>
>Supposedly thousands have called to complain.  If _you_ got rooked,
>too, try the 1-800-OLYMPICS number, but don't let them send you off
>to customer service - all I got was a run-around.  I *did* get a
>NY phone number out of the guy at OLYMPICS - I'd post the number here,
>but I"m afraid they'll just disconnect it if they get too many calls.
>(What the hell - it's 212-664-2813 - supposedly the guy's a VP.  I got
>his phonemail, so...)
>
>Geez.  I _do_ hope they'll show the full 6:30 of x-country on Wednesday -
>otherwise, I'll be *really* mad.
>
>
>--
>Pat Wilson
>Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
>paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu


Thanks Pat ... you saved me a lot of time on the phone !!!!! What is the
name of the guy whose number you gave us? (I like to knoiw the name of
the person I'm fussing at !!!!!) I was totally ticked off to discover
that instead of 3 hours of 3-Day dressage we got only a little over 45
minutes (by the way ... the 4:15 segment started at 4:05 ... so set
those vcr's early!).
  
            Sandi
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: olympic three-day
Keywords: olympic, 3day, dressage
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:47:24 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

Today's "bonus" coverage of the three-day dressage wasn't much as far as
watching dressage - 15 minutes showing about 1 minute each of the top
scoring tests.  However, it was pretty good (with the VCR's pause button)
as far as getting some more scores.  So, without further ado ...

Top 8 after dressage:

Matthias Baumann       Alabaster         GER   43.80
Ian Stark              Murphy Himself    GBR   44.20
Karen Dixon            Get Smart         GBR   44.60
Mary Thomson           King William      GBR   47.20
Mark Todd              Welton Greylag    NZL   47.40
Marie-Christine Duroy  Quart Placine     FRA   48.20
Nils Haagensen         Discovery         DEN   48.80
J. Michael Plumb       Adonis            USA   49.60

other scores after dressage:

Michel Bouquet         Newport AA        FRA   49.80
Cord Mysegaes          Ricardo           GER   52.00
Lara Villata           Daylight          ITA   54.60
David Green            Duncan II         AUS   56.20
Richard Walker         Jacana            GBR   58.00
Andrew Nicholson       Spinning Rhombus  NZL   61.20
Luis Alvarez Cervera   Mr. Chrisalis     ESP   65.00
Rachel Hunter          King Plantagenet  CAN   80.20

team scores after dressage:

Great Britain     GBR     136.00
Germany           GER     148.00
France            FRA     162.80
New Zealand       NZL     166.60
Sweden            SWE     172.20
Australia         AUS     172.80
United States     USA     178.00
Italy             ITA     180.60
Canada            CAN     180.80
Netherlands       NED     183.60
Ireland           IRL     186.40
Belgium           BEL     191.00

See you all tomorrow after cross-country!!

Judy

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Please don't ride the babies....
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:06:24 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



Brett, perhaps you don't really see where we are coming from in telling you
not to ride your two year old ARab.  While you say you are not stressing
the horse by riding him an hour or so every day, it's the actual weight
on his back that I am objecting to.  Sure, teach him to line drive, pull 
a cart, do tricks, stand properly, be handled from nose to tail.  But weight
on his back stresses the knees, the back and all the other joints.  A two
year old, no matter how physically mature in size he may be is NOT mature in
his bones.   
The Arab is noted for being one of the physically slowest maturing breeds of
horse.  My trainer who only handles Arabs refuses to ride two year olds and
is reluctant to take a three year old.  She gets very upset at people who
insist on riding their babies.  A two year old Arab is very much still a baby,
no matter how tall they are, the same way a thirteen year old human is still
physically a child no matter how mature they are sexually or how mature they
look.  Any x-ray technician can tell you they can tell the age of a child 
by looking at bone x-rays.  It's the same for a horse.

Sue
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Equine Viral Arteritis - quarantine in New England, corrected
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:26:54 GMT
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In-reply-to: jcarey@news.weeg.uiowa.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 15:12:07 GMT


jcarey@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John Carey) writes:
] FMD [ Foot and Mouth diseaes ] is NOT highly lethal.

Okay, I was a little wrong : it does have a high mortality in young animals,
I remember, but not in mature ones. Of course, since every herd in the US
with an infected animal in it will be slaughtered and cremated, one could
make a desparate but bogus argument that I was right anyway. :-)

] Animals can be vaccinated but the vaccine only lasts 
] a couple of months also.

I think another problem is that the vaccine is a modified live virus.
I did read that some outbreaks of FMD were atributed to vaccination.
( Another was attributed to feeding uncooked garbage from a ship that
  had come form an non-FMD-free country : this is one nasty virus ! )
Vaccination is usually only used in countries not free of FMD.

] Maybe you were thinking of anthrax which of course is highly lethal.

No, I just was wrong. Anthrax is not only more lethal, but unlike FMD,
it occurs in the US. I guess I obfuscated my main point : FMD is
not present in the US, and if it _were_ ever found near a US horse
owner, they'd most likely hear about it in no uncertain terms !
So except for the import problems, N.Americans shouldn't worry.


	
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: TB registry?  ANSWERED...
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:56:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Thanks to all who wrote in answer to my question about the "TB registry".
I've been told that the registry is the Jockey Club:

	40 East 52nd Street
	New York City, NY 10022
	(212) 371-5970
or (?)
	821 Corporate Drive
	Lexington, KY 40503
	(606) 224-2700

but that I can call 1-800-333-1778 (Jockey Club Information Systems)
for information about pedigrees, etc.

Thanks (again) to
  Leigh Casey
  Robin King
  Cecelia Osborn (forwarded message)
  Ken Rossen
  James Simpson


--
Pat Wilson
Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu