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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: JSA #3
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:29:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I suppose it doesn't much matter, now that JSA is being cancelled, but
indications are that it was not going to be true to its potential.  The
key line acknowledging this is

Green Lantern:  I was hoping we'd all get together and figure out
	some *worthy* direction for ourselve.  Something *suitable*
	for senior heroes.

Flash:  And instead, we get hip-deep in some sort of super-scientific
	*conspiracy*...

That they acknowledge their surrender to genre formula does not make it
less of a surrender.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: When I was away...
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:03:31 GMT
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


I just returned from a 3 week absence and saw that a new thread
had been started, with the subject being "Liefield throws tantrum"

Did I miss anything?  :)


Steve A.
Organization: Penn State Anarchists
X-Subliminal-Message: You will never graduate.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:09:08 EDT
From: Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (was Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be..
 <1992Sep1.111926.18861@cs.nott.ac.uk>
 <1992Sep1.160903.7581@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <Bu3CuI.Iqu@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <Bu3CuI.Iqu@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim
W "GrimJim" Lai) says:
>In article <1992Sep1.160903.7581@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>(Conty III) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.111926.18861@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk
>(Rob Ingram) writes:
>>>
>>> Hold on, Death is a goth, not a punk and definitely not a Madonna or
>>> Michelle Shocked wannabe.
>>
>>You're exactly right, of course.
>>
>>Then again, I could never be accused of being "hip" to anything.  :-)
>
>[Enter two fans dressed in stereotypical neo-Goth costume, waving about issues
>of Sandman wildly.]

What is it about Goths and Gaiman, anyway?  I went to see him when he
was signing at New England Comics in Boston, MA.  He was scheduled to
appear from 4-7pm on July 31.  I got there about 6pm (took me that
long to get there from work on the T), and the line went down the block,
around the corner, and most of the way down the alley.

Out of this rather long line, about 90% of the people were Goths.
I felt *so* out of place standing there in a tie.

(In case anyone's wondering, Neil was *very* cool to everybody that
came in.  He spent most of the time signing the new hardcover
Season of Mists, and drew a very rough sketch of Dream inside
on a blank page just after the cover.  I didn't get in till about
8pm, and there was still quite a line outside when I left.
He took time out to answer questions from everybody, and thanked
everyone for their patience.  Yeah, right Neil, like we were
gonna *actually* complain about seeing you.)

(BTW, anybody wanna make an offer on a signed copy of
Season of Mists? :-)
--
Steve Murray  |  SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu  |  murr@fubar.bk.psu.edu
Emptiness is filling me \ To the point of agony
Growing darkness taking dawn \ I was me, but now he is gone   -- M
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Best of the week
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:04:48 GMT

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>Marvel:
>Namor #32.- Never even collected the series, but I picked it up last
>month on a lark because Dr. Doom was in it. Now granted Namor looks
>completely unrealistic, but the art was stiil good. Jae Lee's art has
>improved in leaps and bounds since his stuff on MCP. His Dr. Doom is
>also one of the best looking ones I hve seen, second only to Simonson's
>version in the FF. Decent story and I am looking forward to the Iron
>Fist series next year.

Ditto. This new run of Namor stories has been one of the few bright 
spots of the summer. Please, Marvel powers that be, leave Infinity
War out of this one.

>Runner-up - Uncanny X-Men #294. Even though it's part of that damn
>crossover, the story was good (Lobdell is getting better) and the art
>wasn't to bad.


Yeah, I liked the story, but I was sort of put out when I got done with
it. Why? Because I know that 1) Marvel will never let Professor X
die. 2) Of course it will be someone in disguise shooting Baldie, and
not really Cable. The story is pretty strong the way it's written, but
I know the rest of the series is going to cut this one off at the
knees.

Axly

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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Batman: the TV series
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:27:28 GMT

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On 6 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT, dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) said:

>dpearson> <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>dpearson> I thought he was drawn too much out of proportion, but I
>dpearson> felt the same way about him in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and
>dpearson> that's one of my favorite stories.  I'd just like his ears
>dpearson> to be longer and his suit to be all black, but I still liked
>dpearson> it.

>Why do you want the suit all black? Becaues of the movie? Hell
>everyone in the movie wears black. Kind of unimaginative.  The
>originals are far better looking.

It's just my opinion.  I've always felt that from the beginning.  I have no     
problem with the grey and blacks, it's just a preference.

Was there an episode on yesterday?(labor day)  I missed it because our fox 
station decided to show a baseball game all afternoon.


******************************** BATMAN ***************************************

                           /\    /\_/\    /\            The Bat
                          /  \__/     \__/  \           The Cat          
                         (                   )        The Penguin  
                          \  /--\     /--\  /
                           \/    \   /    \/   
                                  \ /
                                   V

         David M. Pearson                      dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
         University of Illinois                PEARSON@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
*******************************************************************************
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.021948.21282@news.acns.nwu.edu> jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
>In article <Bu0JzF.83r@world.std.com> nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine) writes:
>To clarify: Dave Sim has had the "Comic Shop Boxes" of Cerebus available
.....
>The owner of the only store within reasonable distance (Comic Relief in
>Evanston, IL) of where I live did not order any of the Comic Shop Boxes.
>*grumble* But, by December, all of the phone books will be out anyway.
>And I can get my 10% discount. Happy happy joy joy.

All of the Moondog's places have multiple copies of all the phone books.
Can't imagine why.  (Moondog's was on the U.S. Tour and the owner is a
Cerebus fiend).  Well, I wouldn't be able to wait, I can't put the damn
things down.  The Comic Shop Boxes are wonderful things, aren't they?

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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   --- Astoria
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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cerebus: What If Sim Doesn't Make it to #300
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:53:18 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

After the recent thread about the hypothetical Cerebus #300, I've
been thinking: what if Dave Sim doesn't make it to #300 (polite
way of saying what if he dies?)

Does Gerhard know the plot? What about his ex-wife, Deni Loubert (sp?)?

Anyone? Anyone?
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt)
Subject: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Reply-To: prec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:14:11 GMT


Let me begin by saying my opinion of the show as a whole is
that it is great. The best translation of comic-to-screen I've
seen in a LONG time, perhaps EVER. 

Now the down side: I thought Tuesday/Wednesday's episode,
"Feat of Clay" was the weakest shown so far. I knew it was
going to be trouble as soon as I saw Marv Wolfman credited
with the story. (Does anyone think he is a good writer?)

Some of my MAJOR problems with the script:

- Batman using blatant methods of illegal coercion (i.e.,
lifting the crook with his plane and threateninmg to drop
him) to obtain information. Ditto for the guy in the hospital
lab with the jar of "germs". (I know it was a trick, but the
point about coercion remains). Portraying Batman as judge,
jury and executioner is not an admirable role-model.

-Speaking of picking the guy up with the Batwing, I'd like to
know how that could be done without A) smashing into a tangle
of metal and flesh and B) why it didn't blow like a cherry bomb.

-OK, the one that bugged me the most: Clayface's full power. Has
Wolfman ever heard of the Conservation of Matter and Energy?
How does a normal, 180-pound man transform into a blob of
clay that must weigh 500 pounds? How can this creature spit
off giant chunks of itself or extend its arms fifty feet and 
remain the same size?

Now I'll probably be told "it's only a cartoon, don't worry about
stuff like that" but that's not good enough. Sloppy writing 
undermines my suspension of disbelief in an instant.

And I forgot to mention the ultimately trite ending of having
the monster break off its deathstroke when Hagen saw himself
on the video. You probably heard me groan across the country.

Anybody else think this episode was inferior to others
we've seen? I think the Mr.Freeze episode was the best so far.
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus #161
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:21:04 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.hal.com
In-reply-to: aoki@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Bishonen Senshi Sailor Paul)

In article <1992Sep7.001054.306@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, aoki@eden (Bishonen Senshi Sailor Paul) writes:
>I'm trying to figure out who the barkeeper with the "outrraageous Franch
>accent" is.  Theresa's brother, maybe?

I'm more interested in figuring out what the hell he's saying.
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
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From: cgarnett@amhux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett '87)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #161
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:03:26 GMT

Doug Moran (dougm@hal.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep7.001054.306@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, aoki@eden (Bishonen Senshi Sailor Paul) writes:
: >I'm trying to figure out who the barkeeper with the "outrraageous Franch
: >accent" is.  Theresa's brother, maybe?
: 
: I'm more interested in figuring out what the hell he's saying.

I said "Last Call!"

It took me three or four minutes of saying it out loud to figure it out.
:)

-C
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracle Gods  Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:53:50 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep9.131904.6601@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.201739.27231@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>> 	> did as well, to a lesser extent.  That "utopia" is almost certainly
>> _going_ to fall somehow, or the next arc wouldn't be called "The Dark
>> Age".  But whom it will be dark for, and what role Young Miracleman
>> will play in its fall, remains to be seen.

>        Since we know that Gaiman relies heavily on mythology for his stories,
>can we speculate that perhaps what we'll see in the Dark Age (from what I
>understand, it's the Silver Age, but that's un-important)

	The current arc is the Silver Age.  Gaiman has said that the
next storyline after that is completed (i.e. at current rates,
sometime in the early 21st century...) will be the Dark Age.

 is a Prometheus vs.
>Zeus type conflict?  All the elements are there.  The supreme god (MM) vs. the 
>half god (YM being "born" from MM) who sympathizes with humanity.  The
>indifference of MM towards humans.  The lack of willingness to let the humans
>run their own affairs, etc. 

	Hmm... but Miracleman is perfectly willing to share divinity
with humanity, not just in Zeus fashion by raising up demigods and
heroes (the Miraclechildren) but by transforming people directly
(though we haven't seen anything of humans converted to superhumans
since Gaiman took over the book, it was one of the things mentioned in
Moore's last issue).  Also, a Prometheus figure ought to be one of the
Qys, since they were identified with the Titans in book III, and
Prometheus was a Titan.

	Of course, Gaiman isn't bound to one-to-one correspondences,
but then again, neither is he limited to Greek mythology.  Actually,
Dicky's in a fairly good position to play a Christ figure: someone
wholly god and wholly man (though, admittedly, more separate than
commingled) who can reconcile the divisions between the Father
(Miracleman) and the human race.  He's even died and been resurrected.
Perhaps this is the second coming-- in which case he gets to rule the
world for a millennium before Johnny comes back for one final try at
the destruction of everything...

	Ah, well, just more idle speculation.  If I could anticipate
Neil Gaiman's plots, maybe I could get the big bucks like he does.
:-)

Mike
-- 
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mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Virginia (1784)
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: CNN and the tattooed fanboy...
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:33:58 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Although I am not an avid Superman fan, I must say 
I am sorta gonna miss the old lug, but he won't REALLY
die... Or so they say.  Did you check out the CNN  report?
They had a rather sad report on it.  Not that I think 
that it was sad in crying sense, but a pitiful way.
 
They definately represented ALL comic buyers by the two
10 year olds and that whacko with the tattoo of the joker
on his side!  None of you out there have tattoos of their 
favorite comic persona do they???  Is this some craze I am
missing out on???  I am really depressed now!
					
					wReam...

P.S.  "Look honey, Fanboys! and their brood! Neat!"
"Where's that camera when you need it!?"
"Hurry honey, they're getting away!?"
"oh drat. they're gone"
"Don't fret my darling, At least We're alive!"

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From: genef@netcom.com (Gene Fornario)
Subject: Re: INDY: good shops in L.A. area!
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 05:46:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <t2nnb=#.frost@netcom.com> frost@netcom.com (John Frost) writes:
>I am looking for Comic Book shops in the LA area that sale Indy comix. 
>Any stores that you know of would be great.  
>
Try Hi-De-Ho Comics, I know of one store in Santa Monica, but the location
escapes me at this point.  Check the yellow pages.  It is truly one of the
better stores and sure to stock indies.

Gene--

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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Batman: the TV series
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:16:00 GMT

<JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


>       You know, I turned on FOX's Batman cartoon this morning ready to be
> disappointed, but you know, I really enjoyed the show. I had heard all of the
> hype surrounding it and saw some of the animation, and I just wasn't
> impressed. That is, until I watched it. It seems to be of very high quality,
> and I was surprised to see nothing mentioning it on the net. About the only
> thing that I didn't like about it, was the way Bruce Wayne was drawn. He
> looked more like Clark Kent. But that is something that I can overlook. Just
> my opinion.

>              The Jimothy

I agree with you totally.  Oh, sure, there were some lame moments in the show, 
but I agree that it was fairly well done.  I especially liked the scene where he
was chasing catwoman the first time.  

I thought he was drawn too much out of proportion, but I felt the same way about
him in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and that's one of my favorite stories.  I'd just
like his ears to be longer and his suit to be all black, but I still liked it.


******************************** BATMAN ***************************************

                           /\    /\_/\    /\            The Bat
                          /  \__/     \__/  \           The Cat          
                         (                   )        The Penguin  
                          \  /--\     /--\  /
                           \/    \   /    \/   
                                  \ /
                                   V

         David M. Pearson                      dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
         University of Illinois                PEARSON@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
*******************************************************************************
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Advice to CEREBUS Readers (was Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:19:26 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>>reading.  But then I'm a hopelessly addicted Cerebite.
> 
> I prefer "Cereboid."

No, no, no; that's "something that's very similar to Cerebus." "Cereboid." Or,
perhaps, "derived from;" as in, "The quotes were Cereboid in origin." ;)

rez
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Dave Sim (Cerebus) -- The Usenet Interview (VIII+)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:11:49 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>>Ken Small (kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu) -- Are the disembodiment's of Necross, 
>>Elrod and Claremont related?  It seems that all three died in Cerebus' 
>>presence, only to come back as possessing spirits.  Also, has the same thing
>>happened to Weisshaupt? Is that one of the reasons he called
>>for Cerebus at his deathbed?
>>
>>Dave -- You're the first one to notice this. Go to the head
>>of the class. Weisshaupt was unaware of that effect except
>>at an unconscious level. Consciously, it was not the reason
>>he called for Cerebus. Unconsciously, it probably was.

>Okay, so that answers the question that people have been asking here.
>Unless Sim changes his mind on this, the resurrections result from
>the presence of Cerebus, rather than from the subjects' being magicians.

It could yet be because of a combination of the two circumstances.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Refrain means don't do it.  A refrain in music is the part you better
 not try to sing."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.014048.8753@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Gaiman-inspired, I scribble:
> 
> "What impelled Gaiman and Moore to agree to write an issue of Spawn each? Hm.
> Possibly the same thing that impelled Dave Sim to agree to write the last part
> of the trilogy"

?!  Dave Sim not only writing a Non-Cerebus book for the first time in over
10 years, but an Image superhero book at that?  Un-fragging-believable.

> So it sounds as if the illuminati are doing a distinct project.

You fnord said it.

Until Crumb writes an issue of YOUNGBLOOD, this was:
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: This just in... (Spoiler Warning)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:25:16 GMT

In <1992Sep4.151006.26738@rock.concert.net> cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole) writes:
>In response to what next, Carlin said they will be following the aftermath of
>Superman's demise and that there "is always hope."

Because where there's money, there's hope.

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                            for Paul Harvey!"
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