HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't find Meguirs.  Toothpaste?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:40:15 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

raible@nas.nasa.gov says:
> 
>    In article <1992Aug20.234041.15158@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>,
>    > 
>    > 	I've called every bike shop in the area.  Nobody has even EVER
>    > 	heard of Meguirs(sp?) plastic polish/cleaner for plastic.
> 
> I've called every bike shop in the area too.  Same response.  No one
> has ever heard of it.
> 
> Eric Raible
> Moffett Field, CA, 94035

Jeez, Eric, you didn't check very far. I got mine right in Mountain
View, maybe five minutes from Moffett. Maybe you should check at
BMW dealers _first_?

If not, Grand Auto carries it.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Subject: Re: FZR 600 does wheelie - How to extend time?
Originator: mja@hercules
Reply-To: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:14:36 GMT


In article <BtC4yx.JwE@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, ed@grackle.UWaterloo.ca (Ed Walker) writes:
|> Congratulations Kevin!
|> The man moved from an RZ to his FZR600 and claimed his new mount 
|> couldn't pop'em.  Well over and over last night I witnessed (at the "track" of  
|> course ;) ) him soaring the front wheel high in the air.   I have a question  
|> though... how can he keep the front tire lofted longer?  
|> The technique used is in first gear: run it up to 6 grand, drop it off and pop  
|> it.  Up it goes.. but it only stays up for 25 yards as first gear winds out in  
|> a  second flat (if that!)...  Shift on the fly sounds suicidal? has anyone  
|> tried this?
|> 
|> Ed DoD#1234567890 KotDIGITS
|> 
|> BTW: anyone ever had a Ninja ZX1000 lofted high??? I have 'levitated' the front  
|> tire inches off the ground well accelerating hard but I haven't tried to get it  
|> skyward.  I have this feeling that 550 pounds (most of which runs forward) just  
|> wouldn't like that altitude?  If anyone has what was the technique??? (This is  
|> the only feature I miss from my RZ days; other than being able to back up :) )>

I would think any liter+ (sport?) bike can get the front wheel up. 
My 83 1100 suzuki (can you say >800lbs with rider wheelie) has no problem.
I was tooling through traffic one day on the parkway when some squid
works his way up to me. We slip around traffic for a few miles the he 
decides to blow off - he pulls a good 5-10 second wheelie doing about 75mph.
Now my 1100 won't do that! I would guess his bike wasn't stock. I don't 
remember the make (hey, I didn't really care). I was impressed with the bike
but not the rider - tee shirt, jeans, sneakers... He clearly had too much
between his legs and not enough between his ears.
-- 
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| Michael Amato  DoD#0639 | "If pro is the opposite of con,       |
| mja@philabs.philips.com | then what is Congress"? - Will Rogers |
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From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stuff that fits (was: Hard-soled shoes/boots)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:03:19 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug17.161845.14856@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:

>Any recommendations for gloves for female riders? Men's gloves are either
>too wide or too short.

golden gate cycles in san francisco has XS deerskin motorcycle
riding gloves (gauntlet style) for @$40.00.  lined with thinsulate.
best gloves i've ever had.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Honda Shadow 1100 emulates which Harley?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:12:32 GMT

I've been to about three Honda dealers in the metro area and has drooled
over the Honda Shadow 1100.  I hear that Honda modelled this moto after
one of the Harleys.  Which one?  Someone mentioned the Shadow as
'Honda's softtail knockoff' but to me the Harley Softtail seems like a
much different bike (taller, smaller displacement, different profile).
What's the Shadow similar to?  The Shadow lists at $6,700.  What's the 
Harley list at?


-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Moto rent @ UK
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:24:24 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

>I found that on my trip from London to Oxford and back ( on the M40 )
>that people will pass you when you are doing 110mph.  Its really
>amazing to cover 53 miles in about 30 minutes.  I liked it so much, I
>drove about 5 hours > 100mph, with people occasionally passing.
>Traffic consisted of 70 in the left lane, 85 in the middle, and 100 in
>the right.  I felt fortunate that I did not experience much of the 
>M25 parking lot ( car park ) effect, but what I did experience seemed
>considerably less bad than rt. 3, or perhaps rt 95 on a sunny
>Saturday.  I drove from Epping to Slough in "traffic" and did not see
>much less than 80mph.  If I did a similar thing here, I would expect
>to average 35mph.

Warning for other foreign travellers:
You CAN do 100 mph on the M40, because it's probably the least congested
motorway out of London, but you will definitely lose your licence!!
The 'going' rate for passing police vehicles is around 75-80. Any more than
that and you get a lot of blue lights and music in your head...
However, the top of the M40 is very pleasant (for a motoway) and has good
visibility for spotting 'les flicks'.


============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:27558 misc.forsale:23810
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Newsgroups: sun.forsale,sun.bikers,rec.motorcycles,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: 1975 BMW R90S for sale
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:34:15 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Glenn Scott writes:
> (Why are all my friends selling
> >       motorcycles? I dunno....)
> 
>   Hm.   If it were me, I'd suspect I was hanging out with the wrong 
crowd...

Why? Because they had motorcycles, or because they're now selling them?

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Automatics
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:51:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug17.234928.12125@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>
>lever is on.  It's only the girly-man Japanese scooters that
>are autos, and I suspect that some of the larger ones 
>have manual transmissions too...  but I haven't wanted to get close

	Japane is kinda "scooter heaven" where lots and lots of scooters, mostly	tiny 50 cc's, run around the town.  As long as I know, none of the 
	Japanese MC manufacturers (I mean H, K, S, Y) makes manual transmission 	scooters at least in these 20 years.  Especially, Kawasaki has not ever
	produced 50 cc scooters.
	
	Current Japanese scooters have too many models to count, however, each
	of H, S, and Y should hold 5-10 models.  They are mainly made in 50, 55,	80, 125, and 250 cc engines.

	This is NOT a scooter type though, Honda makes a series called "Super
	Cub," which has an automatic clutch and three or four speed shift pedal.	It is produced in 50 and 70 cc's and 70 cc version is sometimes seen in 	the US under the name of Honda Express.   Yamaha and Suzuki also make
	this type, what we call "business bike," named Yamaha Mate and Suzuki
	Birdie.  Kawasaki currently does not produce this kind though, they
	used to have a business bike back in 60's (I forgot the model name).
>--
>Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.

	Just for a reference.

					Tetsuya Nishimura
From: davewi@soccer.wv.tek.com (David H. Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.spagthorpe
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:21:40 GMT
Reply-To: davewi@soccer.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Aug11.132928.277@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:

>its is my opinion that mr. sloan's decision to end his era of fence sitting is
>directly attributable to his recent acquisition of none other than the biggest
>dog in the spagthorpe kennel: the Husky-Doberman. 
>

I thought that this honor went to the Wolfhound, which after all is
approximately the size and shape of a Ford Aerostar :-)

--
David Wise	davewi@orca.wv.tek.com
DoD#427		1980 CX500C (Packy)	Guzzi T3: coming soon to a DW near you
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Popping Them
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:46:07 -0500
Organization:  

Hi,

	I've been experimenting with different methods of popping wheelies,
and I hope to share some information with those of you who are thinking about
it, and perhaps even learn some things from the "pro's".

DISCLAIMER :  "Wheelies" should not be performed if :

	1. You are on a public road.
	2. You have not been trained by the MSF to do them.
	3. You have been riding less than a 25 years.
	4. Your motorcycle cannot attain the Dod minimum specifications
           for top speed, 30-60 mph roll-on, low-end torque, gas mileage,
           "efficiency", agriculturallly-oriented design, and stickers.

	I had never really thought about popping wheelies before owning
the Goof2.  It's my first real "sport" machine.  And while I considered
my old EX "sporty", it just never entered my mind to loft the front wheel.
(EX owners : For nostalgia's sake, care to tell me about your wheelie
technique ?)

	The first piece of advice I got was "whack the throttle and pop
the clutch at the same time".  I'd have to say I did not try this.  It
sounded too scary.  What if I stalled and tipped the bike over ?  I still
have reservations about wheelie-ing by popping the clutch.

	I think whacking the throttle sufficiently is that can take some
practice, though.  Adjusting out the play in the cable helps a lot.

	The next piece of advice I received was (from another Goof2
owner), "run it above 8 grand, then let off to load up the forks, then
whack it."  This advice got me started.  I lofted the front wheel
about, oh, an inch or so, if I was lucky.  I was still working on
whacking that throttle, though.

	Also, I was told it would help to pull back on the bars a bit.
In regard to this, I did notice in my efforts, at the, uh, track
that if you pull back on one bar more than the other (and don't have a
steering damper, I guess), you can get some scary headshake, since the
front wheel is off the ground.  Try not to go too fast when just starting
out with this.  When you come back down and that front wheel is shaking side
to side, that can get the circulation going !

	But I also noticed that going along sedately about 4 k rpm or so,
then easing back slightly, and then whacking it big time gave me the
biggest one so far (makes you wonder what I'm really talking about,
doesn't it ?  Getting off [the ground] by "whacking" it ?  Nudge, Nudge,
Know What I Mean ?).

	Anyway, that was kinda scary.  But also kinda neat.  I'd better
chill out before I get hurt (or go blind).
---
Robert H. Yang               | DoD # 0593
Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.	     | '92 CBR600F2 "It hisses on snakes."
RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU | AMA # 642916

   "Society cannot change until persons change.  We have hope for the
    future because we have seen persons change." - from "I'm OK, You're OK"
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goof2 Stolen at Gunpoint
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 92Aug13181541@timshel.austin.ibm.com, dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes:

[bike stolen at gunpoint]

[rig bike to cause crash by remote control]

>Actually, he'll sue you for personal injury and unfortunately he'll stand
>a much better chance of winning. 

You guys are on the wrong track altogether.  There is no way to hold a
handgun and ride off on a motorcycle at the same time.  When he grabs
the clutch and the throttle, he has to put the gun down.

That's when you beat the shit out of him.

(yet another reason for leather gloves and steel-toe boots)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:27424 misc.forsale:23694
From: asdf@Eng.Sun.COM (Glenn Scott)
Newsgroups: sun.forsale,sun.bikers,rec.motorcycles,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: 1975 BMW R90S for sale
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:57:47 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SunConnect - A Sun Microsystems Business
NNTP-Posting-Host: ono-sendai
In-reply-to: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 14 Aug 92 17:10:07 GMT

In article <16gpdfINNj6o@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) wrote:
> 
> 	Another 'Posting for a friend' (Why are all my friends selling
> 	motorcycles? I dunno....)

  Hm.   If it were me, I'd suspect I was hanging out with the wrong crowd...



Glenn
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:15:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.134510.7131@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
>>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
>>
>
>Huh?
>The only time countersteering won't work is with a sidecar. If you're getting
>around turns any other way, you're violating the laws of physics.
>

Here we go again, with physics and all that. Everytime someone utters
"countersteering" it isn't maybe 20 minutes later that someone goes
and drags physics into it! I can barely believe it! On top of that,
none of my bikes ever studied physics!

  Now, do you think it is shaft-effect which cancels out the counter-
steering input?

  Is this more pronounced on bikes with longer rake and trail ?


-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (213) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Service Gouge?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:17:29 GMT
Expires: 31 Aug 92 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <1992Aug17.181639.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>As most of you know I just bought a new K75S last weekend and while
>I like the bike very much I was a bit taken back when the bill for
>my 600 checkup was $260.00.

While I don't own a BMW I have a friend or two that have and your statement
above sounds very similar to the reactions that they've had for the same
service.  The way BMW has been related to me in that respect is that they
are not only a classy machine but also carry a real classy price tag when it
comes to factory authorized service 8-(...


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
[  This Space For Rent       ]              (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
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From: tjones@triton.unm.edu (Tom Jones (No Really))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yamaha TDM 850
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:59:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I was thinking about purchasing a Yamaha TDM 850, and being
relatively new to the world of streetbikes I decided to turn
to the net for information.

I would like to get any advice, riding impressions, and/or
recommendations from anyone that owns a TDM or simply has 
an opinion about the bike (either pro or con).

Thanks in advance.

Tom

-- 
+----------------------------------------------------+
| Tom Jones                    tjones@triton.unm.edu |  
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: Does It Exist? (Jawa?)
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:42:50 GMT

There certainly is (or at least was). It's called Jawa. It is Czech. They
make mopes and smallbore (<350cc ?) machines. In Germany you'd occasionally
see a Jawa moped. I've only seen their bikes in pictures.

Stef
	     DoD#0190		              spgo@is.morgan.com
	'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: ZX-11 parts needed
Keywords: ZX-11
Summary: need parts for wrecked ZX-11
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:19:53 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I have a friend that needs parts for a 1991 ZX-11.
He needs the following:
left muffler, right muffler, r.h. h.bar, tail-fin and light.
rear turnsignals, 
also:
anyone that knows where a factory oil-cooler and r.h. clip-on for a 91 GSXR1100
should let me know as well.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for RKOU)
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:38:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 92Aug18101314@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>
>I have been reading conflicting reports lately - some say that bikes stop 
>in less space than cars, some say that they stop in more space.  

I believe if you consider the physics, they are approximately equal in
terms of absolute minimum stopping distance.

There are way too many motorcyclists who are not capable of controlled
maximum straight line braking, but I think on average, bikers are
better at controlling bikes than cagers are at controlling cages.

>When in a line of traffic, do I have to worry more about hitting the car 
>in front if it comes to a quick stop, or do I have to worry more about 
>being rear-ended if I come to a quick stop? 

Yes.   :^)

I worry more about being rear-ended, I have little to no control over
that.  I can almost always find extra stopping room *beside* the cage
in front of me (ie, always have an escape route, and practice
controlled swerves).  If the cage in front of you took *you* by
surprize, it's a pretty safe bet that the cage behind you is going to
squash you.

>Do motorcycles stop faster than cars?

They do when I'm riding them.  :^)


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Can anyone suggest a BRIGHT headlight for a KZ440
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:42:00 GMT

In article <16aa09INNl8o@agate.berkeley.edu>, delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes...
>Due to an "unscheduled getoff" I am now in need of a new headlight. I don't
>wan't to get the stock one because they don't light up shit. Can anyone
>suggest a brand name or source that would have a very bright headlight
>for my 1982 Kawi KZ440. I have most of the mailorder catalogues if you
>wish to refer me to a brand listed in them...... Thanks
	I put Cibie' inserts into a couple of bikes in the 70's (before bikes
started coming standard with quartz-halogen lights).  They were a _lot_ better
than stock.  I just bought the right size car insert and it popped straight
in to the stock headlight shell.  I even temporarily replaced one with a
standard Holden insert once when both filaments blew in quick succession in
the middle of the night in the middle of the Hay Plains.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: olivers@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Oliver Schonborn)
Subject: Windshield and rip in seat
Summary: Suggestions for windshield on a cruiser, and how to repair ripped seat
Keywords: windshield, mail order, seat, rip
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:03:15 GMT

Hi folks!

I'd like to know if there's any special trick I can use to repair a small rip
(2 inches) in my motorcycle seat.  Right now there's tape but it doesn't stay
in place (I guess my bodyheat softens the glue) and is slowly moving off the
rip every time I use the bike.

Also, I must buy a windshield.  I was told I would get the best prices by mail
order.  If my bike is a 1980 Yamaha 650 Special, i.e. a cruiser style bike, is
there any brand windshield you would recommend, or mail dealer?  They'd have
to ship in Toronto (Ontario), Canada.  How long does it usually take
to get it?  I'd need it by next Monday (Aug 24), my guess is that it will be
too late even if I order it Monday Aug 17.  How much more should I expect to 
pay if I don't mail-order it?

Thanks in advance, and have a nice one,

Oliver

-- 
| Oliver Schoenborn           	     | "The World is my Country, 	   |
| 1980 Yamaha 650 Special	     |  The Human Race is my Race,	   |
| olivers@helios.physics.utoronto.ca |  The Spirit of Man is my God,       |
| olivers@utorphys.bitnet 	     |  The Future of Mankind is my Heaven"|
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: MY SHIRT IS HERE!!!!
Keywords: And the color matches my FJ!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:38:57 GMT
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu

MY SHIRT IS HERE!!!

It looks GREAT!!!!  The Denizen is perfect!

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

Excellent job Tony!!!

Ride Free, in style,

Bill 

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