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From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: We'll all burn in hell!
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:24:55 GMT

In article <j1moody-151092134136@hesmac32.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu>  
j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:

[somebody else's cheap shots at Catholicism deleted]

> It's also unfortunate you are uneducated on the amount of social service
>and charitable acts that the Pope has administered.

Like telling me that if my daughter gets pregnant from rape at age 12, she  
has to bear the child and I have to raise it?

Like keeping the topic of overpopulation off the agenda at the Earth Summit?   
(Name me one Catholic country that is prosperous ... Phillipines?  Peru?   
Mexico? Ireland? oh, maybe Spain or Italy, at best...)

Like telling us that we can't abort our fetuses, even though that's the only  
way we can be sure that their souls will go to heaven (only by being born  
can they be corrupted by this vale of sin and go to hell)?

In an earlier post, you ask:
>Yeah, one question: Is it too much to ask to respect other people's  
>religion?

Yes, it IS a lot to ask that we respect religions that make as little sense  
and do as much damage as this.  It's unfair to single out Catholicism;   
they're pretty much all the same.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm going to Hell on a meat rap;  I ate a  
burger on Friday back in the early 60's, just before they changed the rules,  
and I can't sincerely repent 'cause it was a damned good burger.

John Wolff,   recovering Cathaholic, Notre Dame '74


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] price of lsd
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:15:21 GMT

ap.5288@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>So, just out of curiosity,
>
>	how much is the price of Lewis D where you live,
>	I have heard that in adelaide , australia where ilive,
>	it is around 5

$85-125 for a sheet of 100 Alice D's, according to a friend of mine.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
From: barbaras@meltdown.chi.il.us (Barbara Simonsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:39:34 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Absinthe is flavored by a lot of herbs, extracts, etc. (not unlike vermouth).
The principal ingredient, what makes Absinthe , is artemisia
absinthum...wormwood. Does the phrase "wormwood and gall" sound familiar.
Wormwood is incredibly bitter, that's why sugar and licorice are used to flavor
absinthe. Both help offset the bitterness. It is also sometimes held that
licorice root has an anaesthetizing effect on some of the taste buds most
susceptible to "bitter". Actually, consumption of any very bitter substance is
known to "numb" the taste receptors for bitterness. 
Wormwood has been used as a hot infusion (tea) for migraine or other severe
headache. I have anecdotal info on its also having been used in poultices,
although I have no quotable source or reference.
The plant is easily cultivated, but needs to be harvested before it blooms, as
is the case with most herbs.
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Request for cite ... "crack babies"
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:02:12 -0500


I seem to have lost my cite for the metasurvey that invalidated 
the assertion that thousands of crack babies were being born.
Could some kind soul please post?  
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
1972 match with Spassky.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 19:17:04 -0400 
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bong Plans...


Hi  y'all...

I'd be really interested to see what different kinds of bongs people have
come up with.  Its seems like the kind of thing where there could be an almost
infinite variation on the basic theme of "getting the smoke to your lungs".

--Seth
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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:55:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>
>	I friend of mine (not a close friend-- a close friend's SO.) is
>leaving for drug rehab. on Monday. I'm concerned, and I'm hoping that this
>program isn't bad for the patient..
>	The program involved is called Parkside, and she will leave Monday,
>and she can't take phone calls or visitors (maybe visits from relatives, but
>no visits allowed from my friend her SO.) but letters are allowed.  I don't
>know the extent of her problem..
>	Anyway, does anyone know anything about Parkside in Highland Park,
>Illinois? Is it good? I sure as hell hope it's good..

     I don't know about this specific program, but all the reports
I've heard of programs that shut patients off from the outside world
are _TERRIBLE._ I talked to a friend of my ex-girlfriend who'd been
sent to one of these things by her parents. (I'd hoped to do an
interview and post it, but she moved away before I got the chance.) If
I knew that any of my friends were in a situation like she described,
I'd get some friends and some guns and bust them out. This program was
pure brainwashing, heavy on the fundamentalist Christianity.

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From: john@bnr.ca (John Ledford)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and memory
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:59 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <16113@mindlink.bc.ca> Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North) writes:

>Can anyone comment on this topic? Does anyone claim their memory to have
>improved due to LSD, or deteriorated?

A friend of mine had a hard time concentrating for a few days after the 
trip, but there was no other side effects (i.e.- memory, flashbacks, et.)


john
From: ch_hayhurst@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: reading list for LSD
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:56:51 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

Would anyone ou there happen to have a required reading list on the synthesis
of LSD, STP or any other nifty hallucinogenic drugs?
If so, could you be so kind as to E-mail it to me or post it for anyone's
benefit ?

Thank you muchly,
	Chris

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:38:18 -0400 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: permanent acid tracers....explain

I have done acid several times, and I see trails occasionally,
especially though light objects against a dark background.
It's a permanent effect I think, we'll be seeing them until the day we die.
I don't think permanent trails would be unpleasant, though.

Bart
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] yohimbe
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:12:23 GMT



The subject of yohimbe came up recently, and I was wondering if anyone
knew where to obtain a live specimen (or seeds, or whatever one would go
about growing yohimbe from)?  I assume with an appropriate environment
it could be grown ...


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: matta@lclark.edu (Matt Alexander)
Subject: Re: Recently.. (bong hits)
Organization: Sacajawea's Voice
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:25:32 GMT

In article <mtymp15.718428100@staff.tc.umn.edu> mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>I designed a dry-ice bong that is the most powerful device of its caliber
>i know of.  Constructed with a fishing rod case (aluminum) it packs a serious
>punch.  When you remove the bong from your face (to which the end is shaped
>specially) the thickest cloud of pure, freezing cold smoke pours out.
  
Uh, wouldn't this give you a lungfull of CO2? How exactly is this device
constructed?


	When I need a little free advice about Saddam Hussein, I turn
	to country music.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:11:46 GMT

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
: 
: >	Do you think this employer would be successful in hiring talented,
: >	productive individuals in sufficient quantity to remain competitive?
: 
:      Depends on how many employers decide they'd like to make the same
: requirement. Look at what happened when a lot of companies started
: drug testing; it's very difficult to get a job (in some fields) these
: days without pissing in a bottle. (Of course, these days, it's hard to
: get a job.)

How many would do so if the testing were not mandated by the government?
I expect that it would be very few. And they would quit when they found
that their competitors were doing fine without resorting to the tests.

Bill
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Freudian slip...
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:30:44 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>                  Anyone catch Bush's Freudian slip when he mentioned the word
>"cocaine". My roommate and I both noticed, and then were glad to see that the
>Fox show "Roc Live" also noticed, because they showed a clip of it happenning
>again. :-) Bush: Hypocrite? :-)

     If you mean the way he touched his nose upon mentioning the word, yes,
I noticed. Very, very funny!

     Bush: Hypocrite. (Period, not question mark.)

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz)
Subject: Re: LSD Flashbacks? (reply to David A. Honig)
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:29:12 GMT

>Another mind ruined by a liberal education...

Another mind ruined by a conservative outlook.... :)


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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:17124 talk.politics.drugs:6832
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Request for alt.drugs related GIF's
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:44:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

Hi,

If there is anyone out there who has copies of the GIF's which were mentioned
in alt.drugs a while back could you please send them to me or tell me where I 
could get them.  I remember there was one of the logo of the Green Panthers(?); 
They were posted to the pictures groups which we, unfortunately, do not get 
here.

Thanks
Ian...
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:22:27 -0500

Sander Vanocur asked the question -- what about legalization or some
other alternative to the drug war.  Clinton said that he was CONVINCED
that his brother was alive because of the criminal justice system.
I think that this validates my observation on Clinton -- that he
is emotional and irrational on this issue because of his step-father's
alcoholism and his half-brother's cocaine use.  I don't think 
Clinton can be reasoned with.  Drug reform will only come over strenuous
Clinton opposition.

Gore is reputed to have said, "trust us..." on the subject of cannabis.
I might trust Gore -- after all, he inhaled -- but Clinton will fight
rational drug policy every step of the way.

RE: the debate.

For what it's worth, I think that the "winner" of the debate was
Perot.  Clinton played rope-a-dope most of the time but did get in
a few zingers -- with help from H. Ross.  Bush was relaxed -- laid
back, almost.  I think they should cut his halcion dosage back a
few milligrams.  Meanwhile, out in the streets, there were supposed
to be thousands of Marrou supporters protesting his exclusion.  I
have heard zip from the media people so I don't know if the protest
actually came off or not.

I did hear a story from my friend, Dennis, who is the Southern regional
coordinator of the LP in Indiana.  He told me that Andre was rousted
out of his hotel by Secret Service people along with a number of other 
people on the same floor because Bush and his entourage were going to
use that hotel.  The story is that Marrou first protested that as a
legitimate candidate on the ballot of all 50 states, they should be
protecting him, not trying to throw him out of his room.  Marrou and
company then left but returned with the press and, rather than
face a potentially embarrassing situation, the SS relented -- thus
Bush and Marrou were sharing the same floor at the hotel.  I have
no way to verify any of this -- I'm just passing on the story the
way it came to me ...

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
1972 match with Spassky.
From: johnd@hopduvel.uucp (Hopduvel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DMSO
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:27:12 GMT
Reply-To: hopduvel!brewmaster@linac.fnal.gov (John)
Organization: Isenbrau Brewery

Check out 

_Biological Actions and Medical Applications of Dimethyl Sulfoxide_
The New York Academy of Sciences, J.C. de la Torre ed. ISBN 0-89766-216-4
1983.

Its a little dated now, but its the best reference I have found
thats not faddist.


John, The Hop Devil                       
renaissance scientist and AHA/HWBTA certified Beer Judge 
john@hopduvel.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:30:00 GMT


 In reply to the suggestion that the Supreme Court "protects civil
liberties":

 If anybody depends on this belief then their freedom will be eventually
lost. The only person who can protect your civil liberties is you, in the
long run, and anyone who values his personal freedom must be prepared to
fight for it tooth and nail. Dependacy on government is worse than drug
addiction (and they're tied so close together...). When your government
infringes upon your rights as a person, don't blame them. All governments
are subject to the entropy introduced by human nature. The time for
peaceful protest has passed and we can only hold our breaths and wait now.
All protest falls upon deaf ears. But at least we can know or hope that we
are unified in our protection of our own freedom. The time will come when
we will have to fight bloody for freedom and it will be the government
that stikes the first blow. I dread that day, but it is now inevitable. I
can only hope that Clinton in place of Bush will change this...

St. Anthony

PS: See Locke and Rousseau, those old freedom-type philosphers. 

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: st1g9@elroy.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:29:00 GMT

In article <61126@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes...
#     Plenty of companies that have nothing to do with the government
#are drug testing. Blockbuster Video and Heckinger's come to mind
#immediately. A lot of retail positions now require drug testing. These
#tests are not mandated by the government.
# 
	I believe the original point was that having government required
drug testing for some industries has a ripple through effect.  Once a
management type sees another 'successful' company doing something (especially 
something idiotic and wasteful) he's sure to try to adopt it, no matter how 
irrational it might be.  Government contractors are successful by definition.


			  Lee Preimesberger
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:50:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: New-Speak
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct13.003252.3952@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>You act as if these things weren't already going on, despite
>>government attempts to curtail them.  One can only imagine how bad
>>it would be if the practices mentioned were not currently 
>>proscribed.  
>This is the exact argument used by Drug Warriors:  Drug related
>problems are so bad now, if they were legal who knows how bad they would get?
	BZZZT.  Wrong answer.  But thank you for playing stump the Libertarian.
	Nice try, but discrimination isn't a commodity and doesn't have a 
	price structure that benefits from the contraband effect like drugs.
	So it isn't exacerbated by prohibition.  Drug problems are bad 
	BECAUSE of prohibition.  Discrimination, if anything is decreased
	by its prohibition.  


						smg
From: cg135@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Daevid Carron)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Bong Plans...
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:10:42 GMT
Reply-To: cg135@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Daevid Carron)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Malcolm Redmore) says:

>
>Hi  y'all...
>
>I'd be really interested to see what different kinds of bongs people have
>come up with.  Its seems like the kind of thing where there could be an almost
>infinite variation on the basic theme of "getting the smoke to your lungs".
>
>--Seth
>

Here is a bong that a friend of mine made when he was a student, from a
"wine" making kit (a demi john and a rubber hose) plus a brass tube and
one of those tacky souvenir-type toy bongs. The whole thing cost about
one hundred french francs and he got some free home-made wine!

Essentially, he expanded the chamber of the gong by drilling a large
hole in the bottom of the original chamber and extending the original
tube through the hole into the demi-john.

The smoke gets out around the extension tube, back into the original
little chamber and then out into the original pipe. The only problem was
getting a seal between the original chamber and the demi-john. "Blu
tack" was OK, but tended to rip open after a while.

                      _____
                      \   /
                       \ /      <--- original brass bowl from bong
                       | |
                       | |
                       | |      <--- original lathed wooden stem
                       | |
                       | |
                      /| |\
                     / |_| \  <---- original tube extended by brass tube
pipe attached ---> --  | |  |
          here     --  | |  |   <--- original brass chamber from bong
                    |  | |  |
                     \ | | /
 "blu tack" to --> _XX | | XX_   <--- note large hole drilled in base
 form seal        |    | |    |       to allow extened tube into demi-john
                  |    | |    |       and to allow smoke out.
                 /     | |     \
                /      | |      \  <--- demi-john volume of your choice
               /       | |       \
              /        | |        \
             /---------| |---------\    <--- water or snow level
            /          | |          \
            |          | |          |
            |          | |          |
            |          | |          |
            \          | |          /
             \                     /
              \___________________/


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: I'M RUNNING FOR SHERIFF
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:49:45 GMT


 An obvious question that will be on the minds of voters, "Are you
qualified to holdthe job of sherrif?" I can't vote for sherrif in another
state, but if I could, I would certainly vote for you given that you had
some idea how to properly run a sherrif's department (baring dissolving
it... :) I

St. Anthony

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