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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:57:10 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <BxKqtE.KGs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Anyways, as far as the Bulls' accomplishments -- can U say
>	67 wins?  Certainly something the Pistons haven't accomplished.
>	And I still say the Pistons' 1st championship was tainted.  The
>	Lakers without either Magic Johnson or Byron Scott at the time
>	was like a screwdriver without the alcohol.

It's true too...and they let a 42 year old center score 24 points and grab
15 rebounds on them.  Not to mention they let James Worthy score 40 points on
them as well.

All the games were close, even though it was a sweep, and since the Lakers
had no backcourt, they got killed, especially by Joe Dumars.  All of those
guys ended up scoring like 20 points a game, against the punchless backcourt
of Michael Cooper, Tony Campbell and rookie, David Rivers.  That's a CBA
backcourt right there.

L.A. hadn't been beaten before the injuries, and the way they were going,
I think they would have rolled over the Pistons in 5.  Without Scott and
Johnson, I think it came out to the Lakers missing 42 ppg, 16 apg and Magic's
rebounding ability.
From: narkiewi@madona.pilgrim.umass.edu (J. David Narkiewicz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Loyalty versus "Just a job"
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:57:11 GMT
Organization: Project Pilgrim, Umass

With all the holdouts...  Has anyone every held-out out of loyalty to a team?
A player comes out of college and simply says, "I'm a Timberwoves [fill in your
own team's name] fan and won't play for anyone else?"  This is sort of like
Brian Bosworth of football fame (he made a list of the only teams he'd play for,
but it was more a hype to get more money than out of loyalty).  Just a dumb
question...

Call me old fashion (okay, it's my pet dream).  I'm going to be the #1 pick (a
5'10" 27 year old grad student), the next coming of LarryMagicMichaelEtc and I 
refuse to go any team but the Celtics...  I'll go to Europe on a year-to-year
basis unless I can play for the Celts...  

"Narkiewicz, stole the ball!  He stole the ball!"

"That Barkly really seems to cower when Narkiewicz comes on the court.  Sir
Charles is just no match for him physically."

"What is the purpose of a Euwing or a Robinson when a guy Narkiewicz's size can
outrebound and outblock them?"

"Yes, it is a record.  In the 4 regular season games and the playoff sweep by the
Celts, Jordan was held scoreless, reboundless, assistless and commited 1,042 
turnovers with Narkiewicz playing one-on-one defense."

"Word has it that Narkiewicz has slept with more women that Wilt raised to
the Geraldo power."  :-)
From: hatch@gandalf.nosc.mil (Mark D. Hatch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:32:45 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Nov4.211757.129370@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER) writes:
>In article <1d6nclINN5b6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall260@cse.unl.edu writes:
>>Bye, bye Majic.......Bye, bye Lakers.

>Luckily, you're spelling represents you're intelligence so hopefully nothing
          ^^^^^^                     ^^^^^^
>else needs to be said.

>>Is there a point guard in the house?

>I think you sholud see if anybodys home in your head before you look for the
             ^^^^^^        ^^^^^^^^
>point guard.

So tell me,  what does YOUR spelling say about YOUR intelligence?  I wonder 
if ANYBODY'S (please note the apostrophe) home in your head.

Also, if you are the Laker fan you appear to be, you might start worrying
about that point guard position.  Threat did a nice job last year under
the circumstances, but he is definitely not one of the better point guards
in the West.

							Mark Hatch
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From: trump@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Jason Lewis)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.211757.129370@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER) writes:
>In article <1d6nclINN5b6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall260@cse.unl.edu writes:
>>Bye, bye Majic.......Bye, bye Lakers.
>>
>Luckily, you're spelling represents you're intelligence so hopefully nothing
>else needs to be said.
>
So, presumably, does yours.
>
>>Is there a point guard in the house?
>>
>I think you sholud see if anybodys home in your head before you look for the
>point guard.

Once again.  (Although I will give you "sholud" as a typo.)

(I'm sorry.  I don't mean to do this.  But how many chances like this do you 
get?)

- Mike Lewis
trump@leland.stanford.edu
From: sstein@acpub.duke.edu (Seth Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hornets sign Mourning!!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:26:06 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <BxLw4p.8nu@ulowell.ulowell.edu> stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Stephen P. Twombly) writes:
>
>Finally, the Charlotte Hornets have sign ALonzo Mourning!!!!
>
>WLVI TV News

Finally!!!!

Any details on his contract?
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: K. McHale / Celtics
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:17:55 GMT
Organization: RUBL  Commish- Real Usenet Basketball League

In article <1992Nov06.142520.44456@uvmark.uucp} davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
}The key subs will be many..  The biggest asset the Celts have this year is
}their depth..  They have a second team that could start for a lot of teams...
}
The Celtics may have a good bench, but get serious. Start for other teams,
no way.

}Their key subs will be 
}Kevin McHale at C/PF

I think his injury problems would keep him out of anyones lineup.

}Joe Kleine C/PF

A backup if I ever saw one.

}Rick Fox at PF, SF, SG

Best candidate for your above assertion.

}Kevin Gamble at SF

A thought Boston tried to trade him and didn't receive much interest.

}Dee Brown at PG, SG

May have lost that explosive first step he had in his rookie year.

}Bart Kofoed at PG, SG
}Joe Wolf at PF, C...

These guys are scrubs for anybody.

I'm not saying the Celtics bench isn't deep, just that it is composed of
role players not starters.  Other than Fox(questionable), noone on the
above list could start for the Timberpuppies let alone a good NBA team.

-Jon
--------
Jon Blixt                  "You so ugly I could stick yo face in some dough  
Control Data               and make gorilla cookies."                        
Minnepolis, MN                          Sanford & Son  Fred to Aunt Ester   
jblixt@neon.aqeng.cdc.com                                                      
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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Celtics Notes
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:34:42 GMT

Besides the turnovers at the point (which I think will smooth out
the more Douglas plays with the team) the biggest problem for the Celts
seems to be the lack of halfcourt offense.  I noticed this in the
Wolves game as well as the wash against the Bucks. They don't have the
passing skills to execute plays.  They need to work some basic plays
like the ol' back door, alley oop, pass in to McHale/Parish,
pick&roll...  Seems like these are things they could perfect with
focused practice.

It also sounds like Chief was in the ozone for the Bucks game.  He has
always done that periodically, and my concern was that this would
happen more frequently as Parish ages.  Hope this is not what's going
on - the C's aren't prepared to do much without him, though Big Joe did
look better on the boards the 1st game.

Someone tell Reggie Lewis to pass the damn ball when he's doubleteamed!
He usually shoots, doesn't make the basket, and goes to the line. Not the
most efficient way to score (though it does add fouls to the opponents).
These guys have got to look up, anticipate, and find the open man.  I think
Fox has this kind of vision, Brown and Douglas somewhat, but Lewis and
Gamble seem fairly clueless on this.  Guys are getting open on the wing
down the court, and not getting the ball.

McDaniel is just a super player.  Rick Fox was awesome in the 4th qtr
against Minnesota.  He seems to be able to read the other team's moves
kinda like Bird - this is where he gets a lot of his steals.

Also (against the Wolves), it was the opponent who ran out of gas
by the 4th qtr - for a change.  With Ford's 10-man rotation, minutes
are kept down, and the C's are able to field a very fresh team in the
final 12 minutes.  Ford has a lot of flexibility with the lineup, and
used several combos.

McHale still seems quite stiff and rusty.  Don't know if he'll really
come out of it - at least not in time to catch the few games he has
left before his ankle goes again.  This is why I think they put Joe Wolf
on the roster, and Marcus Webb on the IR.  Wolf will step in as
McHale's replacement, making room for Webb on the inside.

Speaking of Webb, did anyone catch his outfit on the sidelines in
the opener?  Serious duds!  (matching shirt and pants of bright yellow
blocks alternating with chunks of plaid - dangle earring.) A far cry
from the bowling shirts of yore.  Also, Jimmy Rogers has changed from
an afro to a Pat Riley slickback...

Talk in town is of packaging Barry and Bagley for a PF - like to the
Clippers.

Hey, I see Tom Gugliotta is off to a good start (and getting the minutes
over McLean).   Wish Boston could've gotten him somehow.

-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: rookie all-star game.
Keywords: all-star . rookies
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:03:19 GMT

In article <markts.721550683@mcl>, markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark.) writes:
|> 
|>  rumor has it that the old-timers game at the 
|>  all-star weekend will be replaced by a rookie
|>  all-star game. (due to low t.v. ratings and
|>  injuries last year.)
|> 
|>  the same rumor goes on to state that there will
|>  also be a rookie dunk and 3-pt. contest.
|> 

I have heard the rumor for some time.  It sounds like a winner, especially
considering the depth of this year's rookie crop.
How do you think an East squad of Shaq, Mourning, Gugliotta, Day, Mayberry,
Weatherspoon, and Miner would do against a West squad of 
Laettner, Ellis, Horry, Walt Williams, Bryant Stith, Anthony Peeler, 
Oliver Miller, and Sprewell?  Definitely would be an interesting game with
the East having an inside size advantage and the West a more athletic squad.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
 
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Orlando/Miami:  MIner?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:08:59 GMT


I just read the box scores for this game (Orlando won).

but what I was puzzled at was this:

Miner wasn't included in the box scores.  Is he injured?  How come he was
not put in the game?

thanks for the help!
ben
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Magic, Malone and all
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:39:29 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <92310.223655YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> If those players are so concerned about, or afraid of, plaing against
> Magic, why don't they concerned equally, or more, about unknowingly
> getting HIV from a player who is not known to be HIV?

Because it is a lot easier to not be concerned about a situation if you
have no reason to be.  Should they be concerned that the player is a
psychotic killer and is going to break his neck??? No..  Do they know he
isn't??? No.. If they knew he was, do you think they would be scared..Yes!!!

> Considering the general sexual promiscuity of professional athletes,
> I venture the opinion that the chances of the latter is much greater
> than the chances of infection from Magic.

Why is it that people always talk about the "general sexual promiscuity" of
pro. athletes??  Have you done studies relating their promiscuity as 
compared to non-athletes??  Are pro. athletes, in general, more sexually
promiscuous than other groups??   Just because of some people speaking out
with their claims about it (Wilt, etc...) does not mean that "in general"
they are.  I would be willing to bet that a large number of them are very
happy with single partners.

> The only answer I can think of is human psychology. But then, if you
> force someone out of his job that he loves so much, because of perhaps
> psychologically reasonable but factually not so reasonable concerns
> on your part, you owe him at leat some moral obligation to look at
> the situation with some degree of fairness and reason.

On the same token, doesn't Magic "owe" it to the others to not put them in
a position that they would be afraid???  Everytime Magic was on the court,
there was a chance, however remote, that a player could become infected
due to contact...  All it takes is ONE case, and it would not be worth it.
Though I am an intelligent, informed individual about the risks concerning
AIDS (having had two friends die with the disease), I can guarantee you I
would not want to be that one in a million...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: New Uniforms
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:45:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.224505.13144
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Today's SI has an NBA schedule that has all of the teams' road uniforms 
on the front.  The Dallas blues have already been seen in pre-season.
Atlanta and Phoenix also have new uniforms which I don't think they've
worn in pre-season.  The Hawks' actually looks pretty cool; they've
gotten rid of that stripe and slanted number and the style is more
traditional.  Phoenix's jersey will battle the Bullets' for tackiest;
it's too hard to describe.

GT
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From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Re: Warriors final roster
Keywords: Warriors
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:47:51 GMT

Kevin Thompson asks about the youngest team in the league
>Sorry, I may be way off on this, but I wonder how close are the Warriors to
>the youngest team in the league?  Mullin & Lister are the only players with
>more than 4 years experience, average years is <2 if you take away Lister.
>Can the Heat, Magic or Wolves be much younger than this?

 you forgot the Bullets who have 3 rookies and several other quite young
 players and are possibly in the running for youngest

>Like last few years, clearly a fun team to watch, though I wish I had more
>confidence they could win more than one (or even that many) playoff series ..

-jim
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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu ('da Sabes)
Subject: Re: Rumeal to Nets
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:39:54 GMT

In article <BxBBL2.5D4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
writes:
>bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams) writes:
>>	For his career, Hinson has averaged 14.2 points and 6.8 boards a game.
>>To be sure, those aren't spectacular numbers.  However, they are not
'abysmal'
>>as you call them.
>>	I'm not sure he can come back from the injuries and be the player he
>>was.  If he can, the Hawks got a steal.  If not, they got what they expected.
>>Either way, they don't lose.
>
>	Hmm... I'm wondering if the Hawks knew something about Hinson
>	that the Nets didn't.  After all, it makes no sense to trade for
>	an injured player and then have to pay his salary if he can't play.
>	Either Hinson is about to retire, or he's got a comeback in store.
>
>	Jazzy J
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>|   " I try to discover a little something to make me sweeter..."   --Erasure
|
>|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana
|
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
	I believe if Hinson does not play then the Nets pay his 4 mil over 3 years. 
If he is OK to play, then the Hawks cough it up.

Bill
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trade Rumors ?
Keywords: Rodman, Charlotte, Detroit, Reid, Newman
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:17:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

psychlo@quip.eecs.umich.edu (John-David Wellman) writes:

>I was watching the Charlotte/Orlando game last night on TNT (good game, 
>Shaq was a monster, but Charlotte pulled it out!), and I felt obligated
>to concentrate on the play of J. R. Reid and Johnny Newman, because of 
>a certain trade rumor I heard reported around here.  The gist of it 
>goes something like this:
>  Charlotte, in an attempt to free up some more $$ to get Alonzo to 
>sign, need to move some players (and can free-up a roster spot since
>Alonzo would need it), and Detroit, in an effort to build a team not 
>only with a present but perhaps also a future, were supposedly 
>discussing a Dennis Rodman for J.R. Reid and Johnny Newman deal, 
>with who knows what else.

	This is certainly an interesting rumor.  Charlotte has always
	lacked rebounding, and if they obtain Rodman, they would
	most probably have a starting frontcourt of Rodman, Mourning,
	and Johnson.  Talk about playing volleyball on the glass!
	And, to the bench they can bring in Kenny Gattison and they
	don't lose much rebounding-wise.  A good trade if it goes
	through.

	For Charlotte that is.  For the Pistons, they would get 2
	younger players, but I'm not sure how they fit in.  JR Reid
	fits the thug image, and perhaps could use his big butt to
	get some playing time in Rodman's place (if he goes to Detroit,
	the Pistons will have Reid and Terry Mills, the #1 and #2 prospects
	coming out of high school in 1986).  Newman would be another
	small foward in the mix, along the lines of Woolridge and Aguirre,
	offense, but no "D".  I would wonder why the Pistons would make
	such a trade other than to give Rodman up.

	Jazzy J

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|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
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From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Re: Magic retires?
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:44:23 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.183720.2186@alw.nih.gov>, jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle) writes:
|> (:-)...obviously this is just my two cents worth and probably isn't even
|> worth that.
|> -jim

As Pat Robertson would say, Amen and Amen. :-)
-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com
From: alanj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: MailMan
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:31:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov4.194827.22971@news.Hawaii.Edu>, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
> 
> 
> Wonder if Karl Malone was better educated about HIV/AIDS might he not 
> have said that about Magic.  Ainge didnt have a problem with Magic's
> health.

What does it mean to be educated about aids?  As I understand, it it means to
know when you are at risk and what the end result of AIDS is.  As for the end
result, it is death.  AIDS IS 100% FATAL.  As far as being at risk, there is a
far higher risk of becoming HIV+ through unprotected sex than from a collision
on the court.  But there is still a risk on the court.  And true, there are
probably more NBA players who are HIV+ but everyone knows Magic is HIV+.  

Please don't get me wrong.  I am a Magic fan.  But I am also glad to see him
step down.  He had a wonderful career.  He finished on top.

As far as Karl Malones AIDS education.  I would say that he has more than most
because he did speak up.  And I respect him for speaking his mind.  I believe
he is right when he says that he isn't the only one who has thought about it. 
When he made these statements, he showed scrapes and scratches on his arms.  I
heard on the radio this morning that Magic said he re-retired because in an
exhibition game against Charlotte in North Carolina, he was scratched and
started to bleed.  He saw fear in the faces of BOTH the Hornet players AND HIS
OWN TEAMMATES.  Now if that is infact true, What Karl Malone said has some
serious validity.  Magic explained that he wanted players(not just Karl Malone)
to be able to play hard all the time and not step out of his way for fear of
what collision might cause.  There is another reason to respect Magic.

Yea a collision probably wouldn't cause some one to get AIDS every time but it
only takes once.

> 
> It is hockey where the blood does flow.

True.  But from time to time it does flow on the basketball court.  (i.e.
Remember last year when Karl Malone and Isiah Thomas collided.  Quite a bit of
blood came from that one).
> wm.
> 
> --
>     bill@uhunix.bitnet 
>     bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
>     21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
>     Fish on the Byte


Alan
From: scott@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Spurs????
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: ibmpa!sharktank.ibmoto.com!scott@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: Somerset
Originator: scott@penaloza.austin.ibm.com


  Correction to my previous message.  I inadvertently mentioned
that the Spurs were playing the Timerwolves in their home debut.
This was incorrect, it should have been the Bucks.  Anyhow, the
Spurs won 104-98.

 Robinson, 10-17 fg, 9-10 ft for 29pts.
 Daniels,   8-17 fg, 2-2  ft for 21pts  3-4 3pt goals
 Elliott,   6-16 fg, 6-7  ft for 18pts
 Ellis,     9-16 ft, 4-7  ft for 23pts
 Othick,    6 pts
 Wood,      7 pts
 Green,     0
 Bedford    0


-- 
 -scott g.

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