HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marching on Washington and Protesting Bigotry
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Nov6.214003.6929
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:

>I think the events in Colorado makes it all the more important
>for any of us who CAN go to the march in Washington this spring
>SHOULD go.  Can you imagine the effect of 300,000 people marching
>in Washington, carrying signs that say "Shame, Colorado!"?

The organizers of the 1987 MOW claimed that 500,000 marched.
The organizers of the 1993 MOW say they're expecting over
one million to march...

>I don't remember the details of the Washington march.  It's suppsed
>to be in late April, right?  What plans are there?

The march itself is on Sunday, April 25.  There will be many
ancillary events on several days before and afterwards.  For
more information, contact the Steering Committee at 800-832-2889.
There are also regional and local organizing committees all
over the country.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Clinton and the Military Ban (was Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated)
Reply-To: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:00:32 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.220327.15209@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
writes:
|>
|>P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
|>	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
|>	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
|>	time for him to do it than now.
 
They caught it, they caught it.  It's the lead story (right-hand top of
front page) of today's (12 November 1992) New York Times.  I take it
this means that he really does mean it; it would not have been played
up so much if he didn't.  There is some mealy-mouthed language about
working with the military on this, but the Times reported thinks that 
the ban will not be around long.

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org




Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.flame
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:46:43 GMT

> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>I enjoy a good flame now and then also. There aren't too many forums
>>like Usenet where you can let it all go with impunity. Quite refreshing!
>
>The plural of "forum" is "fora", you brainless crypto-breeder
>communo-fascist small-dick twit!
>
>Boy, that felt good...

"forums" is also acceptable as the plural of "forum."
But the adjective relating to a diminutive penis is
"small-dicked."  I'm surprised you haven't heard that
often before... :-)
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Colorado Addresses
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:52:05 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) wrote:
>Excerpts from assocs.out.opinion.colorado-2: 5-Nov-92 RE: Colorado
>Addresses by aberson@enh.nist.gov 

Not me...

>> 1. Coor Brewing Co, Golden, CO  1-800-642-6116
>>    Golden, CO 80401
> 
>Any gay person or liberal should boycott Coors Breweing Company,
>regardless of Colorado number #2.  Coors denotes huge sums of money to a
>variety of right wing causes.  It is major funder of the right wing
>Hertiage Foundation. As an illustrutative historical note about this
>company, its founder, Adolf Coors, admired Adolf Hitler.

Worth repeating anyway.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:25:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.050649.4460@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> >
> >Seriously, what were the experiences that led xxx to being a  
> >Republican?
> 
> At least one lesbian/bi republican...

Contrary to popular opinion, there are only two important factors involved
in a Gay or Lesbian turning Republican, and those same factors are also
responsible for milk turning sour: being left on the shelf for too long
and being neglected.


--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Novelty time!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:21:23 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>What I'm trying to say here is that more entries to this thread will come
>from me.

You branded me with fingerprints
when you pulled me to your chest.
Clinging to my vanity till I
was to weak to protest.

You never leave me alone, leave me alone,
I could've done the same to you.
You want me for your own, want me for your own,
a little too much to put me through.

We are targets
for each-other.
I find my target when my eyes are aimed at you.
We resemble
one-another
I find my target when my eyes are aimed at you.

Armed with paralyzing focus,
angular and still.
Anointing me with accolades
designed to break my will.
Two of us are waiting
for one of us to blink.
One look in your transparent eyes
reflects the way I think.

I streched out of my skin,
you were tugging at my ego,
someone noticed my anatomy unraveling.
In a flash of inward vision,
I heard the melody of you,
somehow you never expected a bullet from a quiet sky.

My weapon is my point of view.

			"My eyes are aimed at you" -- Lisa Dalbello.

Go ahead, make sense of that. My guess is schizophrenia. Her voice was
thrown through a couple of distortions for the album. Very eerie.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Don't teach kids tolerance...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:57:18 GMT

dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:

>>Most shocking part of all was that the all the effort that went into
>>claiming that GLB-folk and people with disabilities don't have 'cultures'
>               ^^^^^^^^                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>We don't HAVE culture, dear, we ARE culture.

Culchah, deah, culchah.

Anyway, I'm reading Bram Stoker's _Dracula_ (ooh! He *must* be
good. Usually only people like Danielle Steele and Janet Jackson
have their name preceding the work!!!) now, and have read some
of Anne Rice's vampire series in the past. So I've been thinking
it'd be cool to write a book that's like a vampire story, only
with Cultural Elitism instead of Vampirism. You see, us cultural
elites are so much more important to the world than mere mortals,
and we feed off of mortals, draining their pocketbooks with our
infectious diseases and knack for moneymaking and our greed and
our just plain *deserving* money more than the poor worms. And
of course, we attack the innocent and make them One Of Us by
mysterious ritual whether they like it or not. Makes a pretty
good parallel in *my* mind... do you think it'd work?

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:12:27 GMT

in article <1djqkhINNor7@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
(adolphson) speaks to spencer sun about what soc.motss is for:

 >Look, doll, the fact that I'm a nelly faggot colors -- hell,
 >practically determines -- everything I think about, everything 
 >I write about, everything I talk about.  I don't draw these
 >distinctions between the gay and the not-gay aspects of my
 >life that you seem able to do with yours, and I would actively
 >campaign against any attempt to muzzle soc.motss.

now, i suspect that no one would ever take arne and me for twins
should they happen to meet both of us, but i don't draw those
distinctions either.  this is why you have read not only steamy
stories about my past and present sex life, but also discussions about
linguistics, child rearing, gardens, books i like, music, manners,
and any number of other things.

but...arne, spencer can complain as much as he wants about what
people post about, and we'll all go on posting as we like.  we
can't muzzle him, or he us.

and spencer...the best advice if you don't like the sort of thing
you're reading is to post some things of the sort you'd like to
read, and hope you can draw others into following your example.

enough meta-discussion already!

arnold (who very much liked the performance of sir michael
  tippett's 5th string quartet - co-commissioned by the columbus
  chamber music society and finished last year - that he and
  jacques heard last night, sandwiched in between some purcell
  and the beethoven es-muss-hundert-fuenf-und-dreissig-sein)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:13:02 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <1992Nov12.230245.919@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
> People are just as racist/sexist/&c as they have al-
>  ways been, it's just hidden now. I prefer to know who the bigots are, let
>  the light shine on them.

Again and again - that's very easy for you to say.  You
don't have to live with the results of the bigotry.

I'm not thrilled that bigotry exists, but I expect that it
always will.  What it really boils down to is that I don't
care very much whether or not you like me, but I will not
sit still and let you circumscribe my rights.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay Wealth (was: My Letter to Colorado)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:03:36 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.020902.2967@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:

>In article <1992Nov05.204941.21570@watson.ibm.com>  
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>>articles in the NY Times [...]
>>the average heterosexual household makes around $35,000 while the
>>average gay male household makes around $55,000.

>I absolutely *hate* having this statistic bandied about.

In addition, perhaps one should be wary of who's doing the
bandying and why, eh?

>The fact is, it is mostly the wealthy that have the ABILITY
>to set up something that could be described as a "gay
>household".  Money and status buys freedom, particularly the
>freedom to be out of the closet.

Dissent has been bought off thousands of times with
bourgeois comfort.  We can certaily see it operating, even
here, now and then: the "I got mine" attitude, buttressed (I
think, quite disgustingly) with "and if you weren't so
*extreme* you could get yours too." Feh.

>If I were in the position of *not* having the right to set
>up a "gay household" because my rednecked coworkers at the
>auto repair shop would drive me out of the only job I could
>hope to have, I'd be bloody pissed off at this rather smarmy
>statistic.

Class divisions run deep.  It's a classic barrier.  The
ruling class hopes to continue their outstandingly successful
strategy of wedge politics, isolating the poor from the
middle class.  I think neo-conservatives play right into the
hands of this.

>IMHO, there are probably more gays in low-paying jobs than
>in the professions; it's just that they can't stick their
>necks out for fear of having their heads chopped off.

I don't know hard facts there, but my supposition is quite
the same.  The closet has survival value; even where it
isn't a question of mayhem (although in many cases it *is*
just that), still the priority of full belly and a decent
place to live is often higher than political correctness.

A further point is that too much exhortation to come out can
be a source of added pain to those who know perfectly well
that their own situations are.  It sometimes smacks of
blaming the victim.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions (was Re: Novelty time!)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 11:24:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov5.115621.9165@Princeton.EDU> 
spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:

> As implied before, I don't agree with the idea that "Anything a motss
> person says is motss relevant."

You'd have a hard time getting me to agree with that.

>  Is there any good reason that interesting
> music lyrics e.g. have to be correlated with sexual orientation?  If so,
> fine, I guess it belongs here, but explain the correlation if it isn't
> obvious.  If not, well, why not use a music group then?

When I get together with other gay people, we talk about
more than just our sexual orientation.  We talk about movies.  
About art.  About politics.  About travel.  About how utterly
magnificent the Callas Lucia di Lammermoor recorded live
in Berlin in 1955 is.  About the weather.  About books
we've read.  About books we're reading.  About books we'd
like to read.  About hiking.  About cars.  About food.

> I'm a very busy junior in college.  I generally enjoy the things I
> choose to read in this newsgroup, but.  What's the group get, 200-400
> messages a day?  I read maybe 20 of them.

That's about how many I read.  So what?

> Culling a few threads out of
> the vast number that arrive in the news spool can be tedious at times.

I don't cull threads.  I scan each article in the order they're
here at my site.  If it doesn't grab me immediately, I hit the n
key.  After n-ing two or three articles in the same thread, I
hit the k key the next time it pops up.  I can get through 200
articles in about 15 to 20 minutes.

> After a certain point, and considering that I read other high-volumne
> newsgroups, "just avoid the ones you don't want to read" is not an
> efficient strategy.

That, dear, is *your* problem.

> This is not a BBS.  This is USENET.  Some structure has been set up to
> try and partition the myriad discussion topics into manageable
> divisions.  It would be nice if people followed them more accurately.

Soc.motss is gayspace where GLBOs can talk freely about whatever
they'd like to talk about.  Just as I don't expect to like every
GLBO I meet, I don't expect to like everything I read here.  What's
the big deal?

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@clio.uucp (Eugen W. Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:43:52 GMT

In article <16845@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Greg Parkinson (glp@fig.citib.com) wrote:

>> Now run along and post to alt.bigfoot.  He exists,
>> you know.  

>Indeed he does!  I've seen him, and I have
>the evidence to prove it.

Well, joke away, but this is serious.  I seen an actual movie of
Bigfoot.

At least, it *could* have been Bigfoot.  The announcer guy *said* it
was Bigfoot.  And am I an expert on what someone in a gorilla suit
looks like?  Why would someone run through the woods in Oregon in a
gorilla suit, anyways?

The evidence mounts up.


-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: hello
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:43:39 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov10.183235.13377@midway.uchicago.edu> 
elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> In article <1do26lINNos1@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >... how unbelievably sexy German diver Albin Killat is...
>
> Reminds me of my dad, actually. 

Oh?  Does your father ever take vacations
in Southern California?

> (Please, let's not turn this into an
> incest thread :) -- neither is particularly sexy to _my_ eye.)

Good, one less person for me to compete with.

> A friend and I seriously considered sending Killat our admiration
> and condolences after the disastrous 0.5 that knocked him out of the
> running. 

Awful, wasn't it?  He was so good at the '84 and '88 
Olympics, and I was hoping that he'd *finally* do it 
this year.  Ah well.  Them's the breaks.

> Does anyone here know how (rather than simply "Albin Killat,
> Muenchen, DEUTSCHLAND") we could get him a letter?

I could be persuaded to hand deliver your letter.
Do you remember Piero Italiani, a springboard diver
at the '84 Olympics?  He was dreamy.

> Another Bayer (well, on the paternal side, anyway),

My maternal great grandmother was a Bayer.

Arne
From: futor@llnl.gov ( better now )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Having Voted, Bought Some Books
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:01:02 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab.
Originator: futor@diego.llnl.gov


 anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
> Having voted, I feel fresh and clean, somewhat released from
> anxiety.

Yesterday's was the fifth presidential race I'd voted in.  I
always expect more bombast when I pull the lever/poke the push-
pin/make the mark, but it never comes.  I mean, I'm voting for
the President of the United States of America -- I expect fan-
fares here.  ;-)

It was also the first time that the guy I voted for has won.

>
> As long as I'm reporting on my condition . . . my back felt
> very tired from [ moving around, standing, & sitting which have
> been nearly impossible for a while ] but not painful.  In short
> things are quite improved.

Yay!!  Orison works!  I hope those specialists tell you you're on
the mend officially & that this problem goes away, never to darken
your portal again.

-- 
__
\/  -+-  randy  -+-  all generalizations are flawed  -+-  futor@llnl.gov  -+-
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.homosexual,alt.feminism
From: cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson)
Subject: Looking for a Queer Friendly Place
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:32:40 GMT

Hi Ya'll,
I need your help, as of right now I'm transfering and I need help as to where 
to go...
I need to go somwhere where i can be out and relatively safe, and accepted...
I'm extremly political and very active politically but cannot be as much as i 
would like here at St.Olaf for a number of reasons (the main one being my 
father teaches here)

I'm a writer and that is also very important to me.  What i would love is a 
place where i can get a good education in writing and be politically active
with a LARGE community on a VERY queer friendly campus...

right now I'm looking at Carleton (whichmay be out cause it's in the town i 
live in too) Earlham (which is my first choice, any of you out there at
Earlham care to comment?) Sarah Lawrence (which may be a little much for me
and comments?) and Lewis and Clark (I've head mixed reactions about this...
i'd love to here form the gbl community there, what do you think?).

And, this is my thing i need help!
If you have any ideas or whatever please email me at 
cjohnson@stolaf.edu or
CJOHNSON@carleton.edu

THanks so much,
Carrie L. Johnson
St. Olaf c/o 95
PRIDE=POWER



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:38:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1da04iINNpv4@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:
> 
> Warner/Chappell Music Inc. signed Elton John and
> Bernie Taupin to a music publishing deal in which
> John and Taupin will be paid $39 million up front.
> Now how much was it that Warner/Chappell paid
> Madonna to administer *her* catalogue?  Oh yes, they
> paid her a paltry $10 million.  Seems to me that
> Elton John and Bernie Taupin are *four* *times* more
> important than Madonna.

Why, Dolphie - I do not know where you got the 10 million
figure.  I suspect it is a *part* of the 60 million
Warner handed over for the creation of her production 
enterprise.  

This, of course, after she cleared 80 million for the year,
second in the entertainment industry, I believe, only to Michael 
Jackson.  Her take from sales of SEX alone is likely to 
exceed the 10 million you burble about above...  (nearly
a million copies at fifty bucks a pop, minus the retail and
distribution takes, and - of course - the cost of production...)

I do not think you shall be very successful going after 
the Blond One on the financial front.  And there is, of course,
the UPI ranking - placing her as the most influential performer
in Hollywood (number 10 on the list - I refer you to either
clari.news.movies or clari.news.tv).

<smooch>

*X*
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Hidden Sailor"
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:22:50 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Nov4.180608.7327@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>I heard this on the clock radio this morning, and thought I must have been
>still asleep, but it was in the paper too.  
>
>Esther Canseco, wife of baseball player Jose Canseco, is planning to open a
>gay bar in Miami.  Jose plays for the Texas Rangers.  Jose and Esther are
>about to be divorced (Jose had already gotten a divorce from the Oakland
>A's). 
>

The story I heard was not that it was to be a `gay bar' but a
`lesbian bar' because there aren't any in Miami.

Let's wait until it happens and then let motss'ers report.
(Sim Anderson -- are you there!  Inquring minds *REALLY WANT
TO KNOW!*)

Laura  

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
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From: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:22:44 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

In <69332@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>So men resorting to same-sex in a prison isn't the
>same as someone who is "genetically" inclined to be gay.

Supposing such a distinction can be meaningfully made (which I doubt)
the recent research on "gay brains" immediately suggests the following
question: do people resorting to same-sex in a prison or similar
situation, who did not previously indulge in it, show similar brain
changes?

--                                ____
Richard Kennaway                  \  /__    School of Information Systems
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk       \/  /    University of East Anglia
uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk      \/     Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Newsgroups: soc.motss