HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.010953.1769@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>To many CSSs here, the Protection Bill is greater and more important
   ^^^^^^^^^^
>than anything else. Working on it is a great cause. This accounts for
>the attention that this chinese "movement" has received so far in US. 

  Seems action 9201 insisted that only a few people supported the bill, and
  action 9201 represented most CSS's views.

>I objected this PRIVILEDGE bill very strongly at first. But now, I am
>thinking that perhaps these people had better get the green stuffs through
>this bill. The reasoning is that their dishonesty may cause alot of
>damage to the country in the future, in case they seize its power. They
>are really the potential threat to the people. Hence, this bill can 
>really be a filter. If people can be so manipulative in palying around
>politically at a very young age, we do have something to worry about.

  So you are worried about Bush's veto, right?  How honest you are.
 
>Many CSSs here have to bear the psychological pressure for them to show up
>against the bill. They understand too well the would-be affects  to many
>people back in China. But the traditional conception is that being 
>indifferent is the best stratergy.

  Did you say above that it's better for people in China if the bill get
  passed?  So if those bearing the psychological pressure could understand
  as you do (you must understan well, if not too well), then the pressue
  were put on them by themself if they show up against the bill.

-ping
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: A Moral Issue
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:29:08 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct8.084904.8015@ac.dal.ca>, poppy@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> Cliton was against U. S. invasion when he was in England in 70's.
> Those Chinese students are against the "CCP dictatorship" in U. S today.
> What is the difference?
> 
> Dose Mr. Bush think it is morally wrong for Chinese students to demonstrate
> against their own country (represented by the CCP goverment) ? 

	** You are very confused.

	   Chinese students in US are against a government who
	   is killing her own people.

	   While Mr. Clinton was against a government tried her
	   best to protect people.

	   If you think the above are the same situation, you have
	   problem.
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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: local,world
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.224502.19260@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.204342.14016@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> WU@nevisk.nevis.columbia.edu (Qiuwenwu Wu) writes:
>>In <1992Oct5.180841.3062@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 writes:
>>
>>> In article <1992Oct5.122915.13035@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
>>> writes:
>>> > 
>>> > 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>>> > 
>>> > >the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>>> > >find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>>> > >xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
>>> >  ^^^^ should this be sha4?
>
>A good attitude but a wrong context for the original "Mao2 Wu1 Wei2 Qiou1
>Feng1 Suo3(?) Po4 Ge1."
>
>>> > 	Some netters said this kind of thought in the culture made China
>>> > 	poor. I guess you must not agree with them.
>>> > >like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Very interesting!  In Taiwan, most people read this character as "xia". I
>>> heard some people read it as "sha", but not very frequently.  Similar to
>>> ShenZhen - a new city new HongKong, people pronounce it as ShenJun in
>>> Taiwan. Any other
>>> examples?
>>
>>  Was that written by Li3 Bai2 instead of Du4 Fu3 ?
>
>It should be "Guang3 Sha4", and it was by Du4 FU3. In general, Li Bai's life 
>was too luxary and too easy to worry about something for the people.
>

A self-claimed Taiwan Tong2Bao1 told me that "Xia" was also scientific.
But in our context, the pronounciation is absolutely untrue. The fact is
that Du4Fu3 lived in the north, not in Taiwan. That was why the "Qiou1
Feng1" caused too much trouble for him to bear it. :=( 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      Where can IFCSS get self support money? part 2
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:27:00 GMT

        Many CSS have graduated, some of them have found jobs, some of them
have not found jobs. IFCSS should not ignore those who has graduated.
        IFCSS can try to work out the insurance group rate for graduated CSS.
IFCSS can try to build a bridge between CSS and companies and receive a charge
to the service. IFCSS can discuss the big discount group rate for 80000 CSS
about China call low rate ($.47 for Taiwan and Hongkong, why not China, tell
the phone companies, AT&T,MCI,..., who can offer the lowest China call rate,
who will receive the big money from 80000 potential CSS for China call, if they
do not offer the low rate for CSS, they may lose the business with CSS). IFCSS
can talk group discount with hotel,motel,bank,AAA club, auto insurance to try
to get a group rate.( I just forget car rental, plane ticket, bus ticket). For
a good service to CSS, I think each benificiaries will glad to pay a $5-10/year
for a IFCSS/groupservice I.D card, and IFCSS will receive a stable income from
members and service companies.                  dawei Zhou, Florida
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From: chen@mahler.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
Distribution: talk.politics.china
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:05:51 GMT

TEST
--
________________________________________________________________________________
	       Jie  Chen
	       ITL ( Information Transmission Laboratory )
               Depart. of Electronic Engineering
               Electro-Communications University
               Tokyo, Japan
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From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Re:      caution
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:52:43 GMT

In article <Bw7xqE.M9C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU> writes:
>I don't want to sound faulse alarms, but I think there is possibility that
>CCP recruiter is working on the net. I don't know how many there are, but
>at least one, posing as a 'regular reader', is collecting e-mail address
>of fellow netters and then sending them e-mail, persuade them 'to doing sth
>for CCP' (sic).
>Yes, you guessed it, I got one of those e-mail. Of course I ignored it.
>
>P.S. We hold it self-evident that all CCP recruiters are SOB.


  Are you sure it is not a joke?  Otherwise you should track them down and
post their e-mail adress in the net, then everyone would be alert.


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From: tang@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Puqi Tang)
Subject: (FWD) S1216 has been signed
Summary: News from CSSU at Purdue 
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:19:31 GMT



			
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			NEWS ** NEWS ** NEWS ** NEWS

			S1216 Bill has been signed!


	According to the lastest information from IFCSS HQ, the bill
	S1216 has been signed by President George Bush.

	   As we celebrate the victory over our struggle for better
	life, the CSSU at Purdue thanks all of the Chinese students,
	scholars and friends who have contributed their time, money
	and much efforts in our own struggle. We pay respect to not
	only those Chinese students who will benefit from the bill,
	but those who got their PR and paticularly those who came
	after April 11, 1990. It is a victory brought by all of 
	these hard-working, unselfish and decent people. It is a
	victory for those who advocate the promotion of human rights
	and democracy for our motherland -- CHINA. There will be
	more work ahead of us, let us stay united and fight for
	our fate, for the human rights and democracy in CHINA.


	   Again, the Bill S1216 has been signed by President Bush.


	
	           Purdue Protection Bill Lobby Committee
         Chinese Student and Scholar Solidarity Union (CSSU) at Purdue
            (Serving the Chinese community in Purdue independently)  



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From: Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
Subject:      China Bank
Reply-To: Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:25:51 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

It has little to do with "patriotism", kid, stopping generalization.
one (some )incidents->Whole China Bank->Whole China are crooked.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Ng's attack on Mr. Shen Tong
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:20:00 GMT

        Re: ng's attack on Mr. Shen Tong
        After reading the long attack to Shen Tong by Mr. Ng, I, as a ordinary
CSS, who does not know Mr. Shen Tong persionally, can not keep silence any
more.
        This is not fair! Mr. Ng, you are a free man, you can say anything what
you want, otherside, Mr. Shen Tong can not answer your attack at this moment!
This is not fair game. This just like some one attack another on the back!
        No matter who is Shen Tong, CG does not have the right to arrest him
for a peaceful action. This is a terrible human right violation. If Mr. Shen
was not famous, as Mr. Ng claimed, this has proved the record of human right of
China much worse than if Shen Tong was famous. That proved that any ordinary
chinese citizen human right is not protected by the law.
        I would like advise Mr. Ng, go to fight with the human right violation o
f CG, do not fight with someone can not answer you!     Dawei Zhou, Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Should IFCSS sue Shannon Yeh?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:50:10 GMT

What Shanoon Yeh has done in misc.jobs.*** is against equal opportunity
and is prohibited by law. I urge IFCSS to protect CSS's rights and take
this guy to court.


joe

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:31:06 GMT

In article <Bw0t68.BE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Weimin Shen <SHEN@JUNO.PHYSICS.WISC.EDU> writes:
>From: fyang@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
>
>                        I was rubbered by China Bank
>                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>        Here is a recent incident happened in China which shows that
>        my basic human rights was raped, rather than protected by the
>        national foreign currency bank: China Bank. The truth follows:
>
>        In the middle of April, 1992, I sent a personal check of $100 to my
>family in Jining, Inner Mongolia, PR of China.  The check was cashed on May
>26, 1992 by China Bank, according to US bank (UW-Credit Union, Madison, WI).
>However, I learned from a letter I received September 29, 1992 from my family
>that only $80 cash was passed after 3 months pending.  China Bank cheated
>my family as saying: "the $20 was deducted by US bank as processing fee" while
>China Bank also charged my family 10 Yuan as a processing fee.  When I checked
>with my US bank, they told me there is never such a charge!
>
>        What a rubbery!  What a rubbery under sun-light!  I want to use words
>like greed, ridiculous, inane, illogic, illegitimate ..., but I just feel it is
>not enough to describe their behavior, because they, as a national bank, not
>only cheated me, a Chinese Citicen, but also proposterously slandered US bank
>for their steeling my money.
>
>        As you all know that under Chinese Constitution, personal property
>should be protected.  China Bank, as a national institution, should exert their
>role to protect a Chinese Citizen's interest as far as their duty concerned.
>But to the contrast, they did the opposite.  What a dismay to me!  $20 is not
>too much, but significant enough to a poor student like me.  The most
>disturbing feeling I got was, where shall I lay my trust on ???  A national
>bank behaves like this, then where is the hope of the country ???
>
>        I will appreciate very much if any one can share with me your
>        experience, suggestions, comments or any help on this incidence.
>

	This is what you should do: hurry up and get a green card. Five years
after that you'll get U.S. citizenship, and then you can get green cards for
all your family members. Once they get over here, they'll never have this
problem again. In fact, eventually we can get everybody in China a green
card. This is definitely the best way to solve these sorts of problems in
China.


>                                Yang Fu-Lin
>                                Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison


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From: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Forward: what's next? (after S1216)
Reply-To: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:39:00 GMT

Dear Netters:
        Congratulations to IFCSS HQ/CSSA for a job well done!
        Although I do not need the benefits made (potentially) available by
this immigration law, many people certainly will, and I feel happy for
them.
        One further step of course is the actual implementation of the law.
 Towards that end, we need to continue promotion of human rights in China,
specifically the end of political persecution of democracy activists both
in China and in other countries.
        Another very important step is to avoid acute alienation and
division among Chinese students & scholars (CSS) along the eligibility
line.  Those who came after the 4/11/90 cutoff date may feel left out, and
develop animosity towards those who were luckier.  Some(!) of them actually
took part in the demonstrations while in China; if anyone needs protection,
it's them.  What are we going to do for them?
        I would welcome discussion from the beneficiaries of S1216, and
from those who WERE left out.

James J. Cen
Emory University
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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:02:53 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <BvFMMG.Jw4@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>Why don't you use your time more effectively by getting 
>China serious about discussing terms with the Tibetans for a referendum 
>on independence?  

My question is what is this fixation on "independence"?  Even if it
were true that the majority of Tibetans favor independence (and since
I don't have a statistically valid sample of Tibetans, I don't know if
this is the case or not), why would a constitutional arrangement that
most Tibetans could live with be unacceptable?

Focusing on "independence" makes most of the Chinese on the net quite
paranoid about one's intentions.  "Independence" and
"self-determination" has generally been a code words for "dividing
China into pieces so that it can be conquered more easily."  China's
experience with "Manchurian independence" in which Japan brought to
power a deposed Manchurian monarch to lead a independent "Manchukuo"
and with "Mongolian independence" which both the Japanese and the
Russians used to gain control of Outer Mongolia, makes most of the
Chinese people on the net very, very suspicious of "Tibetan
independence."

If you are trying to reduce ethnic tensions in Tibet, you are not
going to do it by ignoring historical sensitivities.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:55:33 EDT
From: <QXF1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: What is Shannon Yeh?

I was told by my friend that Shannon Yeh is a Chinese American running a small
business. So, you know what was really in his mind when he spitted out those
baloneies.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS membership
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:05:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BvxByI.Fr0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "(Wanbing Li)" <wanbing@HERCULES.GEOLOGY.UIUC.EDU> writes:
>Dear IFCSS activists:
>
>	At this moment, people are exciting about IFCSS. Many CSS agree IFCSS
>has done a lot for them.
>
>	But from my point of view, the only way IFCSS can survive is
>
>COMPLETELY CHANGE ITS ORGANIZATION MEMBERSHIP INTO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP
>
>This is the ONLY way out. Do you want to have a revolution on yourself.
>
>Wanbing Li From UIUC

I would not buy this idea. Actually, I strongly oppose it.
IFCSS is the organization of CSS. We should be aware that S1216 solved
some immediate problem, like people are afraid of the Chines government
to persecute them once they go back. But what about the impact of
politics in China. We are still living in that shadow. The fear of
being persecuted will follow many of us forever.

IFCSS is as powerful as it is today is just because of flexible
policy regarding the participation of her members. It asks CSS to
support it in whatever the way they can take. A lot of people will
not care IFCSS once it becomes "individual membership", simply because
they will not subscribe the membership, hence IFCSS will not be THEIR
organization. This would significantly weeken its strength and
popularity. After all, it is the strength and popularity that make
IFCSS powerful.

Y.Duan

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From: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Forward: Shen Tong?
Reply-To: "J. Cen [404] 727-4676" <PHSJJC@EMRYCC.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:24:00 GMT

Dear Netters:

        Now that the Protection Bill S1216 is signed into law, I want to
bring to your attention some recent discussion among members of the Alliance
of Hong Kong Chinese in the United States (AHKCUS) and some faculty members
at Boston Universtiy (where Shen Tong was a graduate student).

        Some background below.

        Shen Tong came to the US around June 11 aboard a CAAC flight, bearing
a valid PRC passport and visa stamp.  In other words, he did not escape from
China, which is contrary to what many people have mistakenly believed.

        Because of the vigorous promotion of his sponsors and advisors, many
 have come to see him as a bona fide student leader.  But his exaggeration
of the role he played in the democrary movement and many inconsistencies in
his stories had previously bothered some people who know him, especially some
members of AHKCUS whose counterparts in Hong Kong had provided the
Underground Railroad for the successful escape of student leaders like
Wuer Kaxi and Chai Ling, some at the risk of their lives and long jail terms.

        His recent trip to China and the subsequent arrests of many
activists he contacted have led many people to question his judgement.

        While not taking anything away from Dr. Zhao Haiching and the IFCSS
(HQ/CSSA), we have to acknowledge the fact that his dramatic arrest certainly
enhanced the possibility of S1216 being signed into law.  But along with
himself, many democracy activists he visited (while fully aware that communist
agents are monitoring his every move, along with some Western journalists)
have been arrested, some disappeared, or had to scramble for cover.  Their
organizations had not been destroyed by the brutal force of the communists,
but were shattered like eggs under rock after Shen Tong's visits.  Many
Hong Kong democracy supporters were angered not only by the communist
government, but also by Shen Tong's apparent lack of concern for the safety
of those he wanted to contact.  They saw the democracy organizations they
helped to build and supported during the past three years exposed to
and subsequently destroyed by the communist government.  It is in this
background that the latest controversies around Shen Tong erupted.

        AHKCUS did not bring this issue up during the lobby efforts of IFCSS
for fear of jeopardizing the passage of the Protection Bill.

-----------------------------TO BE CONTINUED----------------------------------

James J. Cen
Emory University
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: CCSA: CURRENT STATUS ON S1216
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:57:59 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Oct8.015558.28919@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>>...  The President has time up to next Monday to sign the
>>bill into law.  Up to 5:00p.m. today, the word from the White House
>>is that S1216 is in a pile of more than 100 bills passed by the
>>Congress in the last two weeks...
>
>I never imagined that the president could be so busy and had to bear
>so much pressure. It is not too late for Perot to withdraw from the
>presidental campaign. 

  Does that mean it's too late for Bush and Clinton?  As to Perot,
  he already did once. :-)

>Let's pray for the president. You know, if he sufferred any serious
>health problem, many people would cry for the "Monday." 

  Seems someone would like to have a toast.

-ping
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