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From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CBM, This is not STUPID this is a PROPOSITION
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:51:56 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Aug11.064925.22383@emr1.emr.ca>, fillmore@emr1.emr.ca (Bob Fillmore 992-2832) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.144505.20684@dxcern.cern.ch> zofka@dxcern.cern.ch (Milan Zofka) writes:
>>
>>Now, what CBM should do:
>>
>>1) Get in touch with the big companies. Word is today a standard for
>>   word processing. You can say what you want about Microsoft products,
>>   today it's a reference. Excel is another example.
>>   Just imagine theses programs on the amiga, specially with V2.1 of
>>   the OS (and the locale.library). The first completely international
>>   word processor. Completely font independant, with a real printer
>>   spooler (with our true multitasking), fast (due to our custom chips),
>>   a.s.o. The problem is that the price of this kind of product is a
>>   bit high for end-users. A solution is that C= gives machines, money
>>   and some ingeneers to Microsoft as a DONATION. After that, it will
>>   be possible to have a 250$ package for Word.
>>   At that price, where is the problem?
>>
> 
> I have often wondered why it shouldn't be possible for an Amiga software
> company to license the source code for something like Excel from Microsoft
> for the sole purpose of producing an Amiga port.  This would minimize the
> risk to Microsoft and be a great boost to a startup software company.
> I would think that Microsoft would find the idea of adding a potential
> three million new users of their product with no risk an attractive one.
> 
> Does anyone know if Microsoft has licensed out their source code before?

Way back in 1985 , Microsoft licensed the Mac version of Microsoft Word
to Atari to port to the ST. The ST port was renamed Microsoft Write.
Unfortunately , the Tramiels who own Atari were unwilling to spend the
money to do the port properly so it ended up coming out in 1988 or so
and was buggy as hell. 


                           Scott Corley

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:05:14 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug12.171044.17186@CAM.ORG> Jean@Ringo.CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin) writes:
 >
 >It's easy to be right with the no comment politic.
 >
 >Is Gail Wellington is out now, right or wrong?
 >If right, is it related to CDTV fiasco sale, right or wrong?
 >Is the new chips specs are rigth or wrong?
 >Is the new AA machine will show to Pasadena, rigth or wrong? 
 >etc.
 >
 >If you reply that, we will have substance to judge.

No way. *NO* serious company would answer such questions about relations
with its staff or future politics in public. And yes, I use the word
"serious" together with this company. In my eyes, anyone who demands
something different is not serious. Also look at your use of tendencious
(sp?) words like "fiasco": not serious.

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:02:53 GMT

Perhaps the '040 on a card with the onboard '030/68882 removed is a 
*good* sign.  CBM didn't redesign the PCB for the 3000 to put the '040
onboard, so that might mean that they're putting more resources into
an '040 3000 AA chipset design instead.

Thom
From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= Financial Results
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:42:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug21.065729.3672@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <torrie.714291031@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>>   Just to summarise, Commodore's stock dropped around 25% today
>> to $6.785 after reporting a loss of $21.9 million for the 
>> 4th quarter of 92.  Revenues were $140.7 million for the quarter, 
>> and $911 million for the year (down from $1.05 billion in 1991).
>	To add to that:
>	"Analysts agreed that ... good potential for new models of its
>	Amiga  personal computer as well as some novel handheld products"
>	"the company discontinued a line of low-end PCs"
>	"...the stock might be attractive at this level"
>	"...there's a lot more upside to the stock than a downsid.  It's
>	just smart to wait and see whether the momentum can snap back."
>	basically the analysts gave Commodore a 'buy' or a 'hold'
>	rating.                                                      
>	Don't be starting these MB type posts, with only half the story.
>	Admittedly, this is not really good news but don't take it out of
>	context.

	You can try on put a positive spin on the stock drop, but a 25%
loss is huge. I was in Mexico City on wednesday and the #1 financial
story was C='s losses. The analysis in Mexico was that C= stock was
way overvalued, based on take-over speculations. They said sales were
way off in last quarter because machines were overpriced. I guess
that is stating the obvious! Mike Scwartz's $2 a share prediction seems 
reasonable to me. If/when C= announces new machines, it will be 
interesting to see the market response. IMNSHO, the response will
have less to do with the quality of the products than the pricing.
If we see $7000  68040 machines, look out for $2!

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:05:47 GMT

In <1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>NO! Advantage magazine said 68882 socket on board so you are wrong.
>Falcon is AT LEAST 4 X faster than A600 and includes much much much
>more so price of A600 is very poor value.  Compare to Falcon then
>A600 should be almost free.

Make that 2.5-3 times as fast...

>YES you wish you has fast Falcon direct slots that people said is
>TWICE faster then PC EISA bus.  You WISH A600 have anything but
>memory cards with terrible price and slow 2400 modem card (high
>priced too).

Maybe you can _think_ what cards for the direct slots will cost..

>Sorry you are wroing again!! Advantage magazine with Falcon and
>said blitter is doing VERY SPECIAL things now and Atari will
>show all at German show.  Wait for truth.

The Falcon has the same blitter as the ST. BTW, the TT had no blitter
because the 68030 was faster.

>Sorry you are wrong again!! MultiTOS is very much like unix and
>Atari will tell everyone at German show soon.

MultiDOS has nothing more to do with UNIX than original TOS or MSDOS.

Regards,
-- 
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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:29:33 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: darling@cellar.org's message of 19 Aug 92 17:38:19 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Aug 92 17:38:19 GMT, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) said:

Thomas> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:

> > :   CPU:  Motorola 68030 running at 16 Mhz
> > :   32-bit Bus
> 
> I just find it a bit ironic, that while Atari is finally coming out with
> a 16 MHz  68030 machine, Commodore is already droping the 16 MHz product in
> favor of the 25 MHz machines.

Thomas> Atari is not "finally coming out" with 16MHz 68030.  The Atari
Thomas> TT, a 32MHz 68030, has been around for two years.  This new
Thomas> machine is for a different price range and user base.

Calling the TT a 32MHz machine is pretty inaccurate. It's a machine that
has a 32MHz CPU in a 16MHz system design. The decision to put a 32MHz
CPU was made after the machine had been designed as a 16MHz system.

But don't take my word for it, here's a snippet from an old post by our
very own Dave Haynie:

From daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com Tue Apr  7 10:36:13 1992
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon (wasn't: Amiga Falcon)

<preceding claim about TT memory access deleted>

The TT (I dunno anything about any SST) ran a 32MHz processor connected
to a 16MHz memory design (in fact, the original TTs had this hacked in
as a tower, though eventually they put the circuitry on the
motherboard).  Even if they had managed 4/1/1/1 at 16MHz, that would
translate to 8/2/2/2 at 32MHz.  A 2-clock burst is about the best you
can do with a single bank of 80ns DRAM at 32MHz, unless you go to nybble
mode DRAM (most vendors don't, because you can then only upgrade in 4MB
chunks; some of the GVP boards used this, as did the NeXT '030 system).
However, 8 clocks is downright pitiful for a 32MHz system, which is why
the TT runs most benchmarks slower than the A3000, even though it has,
on paper, a faster clock.

<comments about other reasons why the TT is a poor system deleted...>
-- end of quote --

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re:  Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:54:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.063804.1782@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <34298@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>
>>Actually, I think that instead C= would have gotten into IBM PC clones 
>>in a real big way;

I wonder if they would have done any good?  Their PCs sell ok (not well, just
ok) at the moment - maybe they could have done better if that was the main
focus.

>   They may also have successfully gotten into UNIX workstations six years
>before the development of the A3000UX.

Probably only in Europe, though.  Who would have bought a workstation from the
C64 company?  Things are bad enough now, but back when the 64 was more than a
memory?

>I do not remember all of the details,
>but Commodore had a Z8000-based UNIX system around 1985 with a nice 800x600
>monochrome display, with a price tag of around $3500 (cheap for workstations
>with such resolutions at that time).  I also remember that the first litigation
>between Commodore and Atari right after Jack Tramiel took over Atari involved
>this workstation and not the Amiga (as is commonly believed).  Were it not
>for the Amiga, Commodore might have put more marketing and development into
>this system.

Wow!  Just imagine how far it could have gone if that massive Amiga marketing
and development effort had been redirected...    :-)


>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>     "Beware the ides of September..."

      -> 25 days and counting...


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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.042252.9987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>Any wagers on sound capabilities?
>
>ECS Paula.

There is no ECS Paula; the A3000 has the same Paula as the A1000.  As
I understand it, the Paula for AA will still be the very same Paula.

I figure the technology in Paula is just so obscure that no one at
Commodore has yet been able to figure it out or duplicate it.  The
audio channels are *analog* outputs!  This is not a simple digital
chip.  Whatever Amiga Corp. engineer developed Paula and then got
canned took Paula's technology with him.
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:39:03 GMT

gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
: It is such a dead language that it's only use (other than to study as a basis

You could be shot for that, you know...

: for modern language) is to describe ancient happenings, such as Caesar's
: conquests in Gaul.

"Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae,
aliam Aquitani, tertiam, qui ipsora lingua Celta, nostra Galli appelantur..."

:)  (Straight from Caesar's...  quill.  :)

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From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento)
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Keywords: Falcon030
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:27:18 GMT

In article <335@mbunix.adsp.sub.org> gb@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Gerhard Bayer) writes:
>The Atari Falcon030 has been years in the making. It marries the business
>experience we've gained with the Mega and TT line, the musical edge that the
>ST series has always had, and the incredible color and speed that remain the
>hallmark of our video game technology. From these three apparently divergent
>sources, we've crafted a platform that's ready for your most challenging creativta
>sks - where color and sound blend seamlessly into a system that can truly be
>any kind of personal, creative tool you want.


Can I ask a very simple question??  Why in the hell are you cross posting this
to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy???  I love my Amiga and couldn't care less about
the Atrashy FALCON.  Sure, I'm not one to hide my head in the sand, but do
I really have to see the same stuff posted over and over and over again?  Do
us all a favor & tell us about it once or twice and be done with it.  Don't
post the same message ten-thousand different ways.         
-- 
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**** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
**** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
**** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****
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Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:07:30 GMT
 <1992Aug15.064210.27576@uwm.edu><bn.0051@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> <1992Aug19.163556.14701@ra.msstate.edu>
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu's message of Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:35:56 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:35:56 GMT, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) said:

> In article <bn.0051@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug15.064210.27576@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>>
>>> : Here's the specs on the Atari Falcon 030:

>>I just find it a bit ironic, that while Atari is finally coming out with
>>a 16 MHz  68030 machine, Commodore is already droping the 16 MHz product in
>>favor of the 25 MHz machines.

>>I must say that I concur with Gregory on his assesment of the Falcon. I
>>don't think that the A4000 has anything to worry about.
[...]
> Atari is really going to push the Falcon as the ultimate video game console,
> so why bother with a hard drive? 

Since (from the review in ST format I just glanced through) its a lot closer in
price to an A600 than an A3000, its competing against a 8MHz 68000 machine with 
an optional hard drive, no CPU slot, no internal expansion bus (and limited 
products available so far for the card slot).

It will need higher end models to be taken seriously for many purposes, but that 
doesn't make it useless, any more than the A600 is.
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:08:23 GMT

In article <64367@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

[Harv, I hope you don't mind me crossposting this to advocacy...]

>I found this on a local BBS or FidoNet or somewhere.. can't remember.
>Can't vouch for the accuracy of any of this either. If anyone involved
>with WOC sees this and cares to make corrections, please do.
>----
>Seminars for World of Commodore, Pasadena Ca.
 
>Friday, Sept 11, 1992 10 am - 5 pm
>10:15 AM  *Great Valley Products in Multimedia Featuring the IMPACTVISON 24
>11:15 AM  *Great Valley Products Presents Communication on the Amiga
>12:30 PM  *Gold Disk Demonstrates Desktop Publishing
> 1:00 PM  *Desktop Video
> 1:45 PM  *AmigaVision 3.0
> 2:30 PM  *Keynote Address by Commodore
> 3:30 PM  *AmigaDos 2.1
> 3:45 PM  *Commodore New Product Overview
 
>Saturday, Sept 12, 1992 10 am - 5 pm
>10:15 AM  *Animation and Compositing Techniques on the Amiga
>10:30 AM  *Desktop Video
>11:30 AM  *Great Valley Products Presents Communication on the Amiga
>12:15 PM  *Centaur Demonstrates OpalVision
>12:30 PM  *Sunrize Presents Digital Audio for Video
> 1:15 PM  *Keynote Address by Commodore
> 2:00 PM  *Gold Disk Demostrates Showmaker and Video Director
> 2:30 PM  *Scala-Prepare Powerhouse Multimedia Presentations
> 3:00 PM  *Amigavision 3.0
> 3:45 PM  *Commodore New Product Overview
> 4:00 PM  *AmigaDos 2.1
 
>Sunday, Sept 13, 1992 Noon - 5 pm
>12:15 PM  *Animation and Compositing Techniques on the Amiga
>12:30 PM  *Desktop Video
> 1:15 PM  *Sunrize Presents Digital Audio for Video
> 2:00 PM  *Keynote Address by Commodore
> 2:45 PM  *Centaur Demonstrates OpalVision
> 3:00 PM  *Scala-Prepare Powerhouse Multimedia Presentations
> 4:00 PM  *Commodore New Product Overview
> 
>Current Exhibitors for World of Commodore
>=========================================
> 
>Amazing Computing
>Ambitious Technologies
>Amiga News
>Amiga Video Graphics Guild
>ASDG
>Avid Publications
>Black Belt
>Centaur Software
>Central Coast Software
>Commodore Business Machines
>Computer System Associates
>Creative Computers
>Digital Creations
>Digital Micronics
>Euphonics
>Gold Disk
>Great Valley Products
>ICD
>IDG Communications
>INOVAtronics
>L.A. Video Toaster Group
>Memory World
>Merit Software
>Micro Pace Inc.
>Migraph Inc.
>New Horizons Software
>Nucleus Electronics
>Opal Tech
>Oxxi, Inc.
>Pacific Digital
>Premier Software
>Pride Incorporated
>SAS Institute
>Scala Inc.
>Soft Logik
>Sunrize Industries
>Video Graphics Toast & Coffee
>Virtual Reality

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.230243.11762@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>Correct.  I guess that means we agree to disagree.  ;)

'Cept that YOU'RE WRONG! (laughs and laughs) :-)

>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Huh?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:19:17 GMT

In article <52166@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <64273@cup.portal.com> Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon) writes:

>>Then my dog bites me and I hit him with a shovel and get
>>a new one."
>
>	A new dog, or a new shovel?

	Did he hit the dog or the part that the dog bit? 


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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:54:16 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <root.02ab@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <9517@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>The Chinese market for computers is mainly in education and the government.
>There might be a good market for the A3000 running UNIX.  The 68030 can be
>exported from the US to China, but the 68040 is too powerful.
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>--
>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>

Can you explain what you mean and what it has to do with exporting to China?
Does it mean that 040s are just to HEAVY since they are more powerful than
the 030?....Just kidding.
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