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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:16:06 GMT

In article <6921@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.171342.14606@access.digex.com>, rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale) writes:
>|> Carpenter's PRINCE OF DARKNESS is one of my favorite horror movies.  My 
>|> husband and I have watched it many times.  Partly ... to figure out what is
>|> really going on.
>|> 
>|> Does anyone know if this was based on a novel or if there was a novelization
>|> of the moive???  [Insight could be increased!]
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> Lady Robin of Riverdale
>|> 
>|> 
>|> "Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."
>
>   Glad to see someone liking Carpender's work.  Have you seen his reworking
>  of 'The Thing from Another Workd', called 'The Thing'.  It has *very*
>  good complimentary effects ... but some see it as overkill.  For my tastes,
>  though, it sets the atmosphere very well...
>
>   For those of you out there who have not seen eith of these films, a walk
>  to you local video shop is in order.
>
>   ps : I recommend you watch 'The Thing'  in the very earily hours of the
> morning (ie between 2 and 4 AM).
>
>                                   Owen  
>
>  

I used to think Carpenter was the new hope for movie horror. Then he made
the extremely boring and stupid "Christine", and "Starman", and I gave up.
The Thing was exceptional, but it was overkill. Not too shabby though.
"Prince Of Darkness" has some great stuff, and the first half is very good.
But then it turns into The Incredible Melting Woman, and Donald Pleasance,
<as a wimpy, drunk, priest> dispatches the ultimate force of evil from our
dimension, by smashing a mirror. Didn't wash with me. Sorry.
The first half IS quite audacious. The opening 5 minutes trash the basic
ideas of Catholicism and christianity. It was a good try, but I found it to 
be erratic, underacted <by a cast of mostly familiar TV faces, like  
Jameson Parker, and the Geek from Riptide>, and ultimately infuriating.

					--Judex--

Xref: sparky alt.horror:3699 misc.writing:2754
From: chuq@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
Subject: Re: Horror Magazines
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:00:19 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.170637.23876@pellns.alleg.edu> frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
>>   I'm an unpublished author of horror stories looking to rectify that  
>>situation. Mostly, I write supernatural/psychological oddities and  
>>something very vaguely Lovecraftian with a surrealist twist.

>Buy a copy of The Novel and Short Story Writer's Market it will give
>you all the info you need. It is put out by Writer's Digest annually.

Actually, since there really aren't any major professional horror markets,
N&SSWM will be of limited help. Most of the real fun going on with short
horror is in the semi-pro world, and for that you need SCAVENGER'S
NEWSLETTER and/or GILA QUEEN, both monthly semi-pro market report
newsletters (neither of who's address I have handy, but I'll try to rectify
that if someone doesn't beat me to it). 

-- 
Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX) =+= Member, SFWA
  chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ =+= Editor, OtherRealms
	A real SF writur with stories in ALTERNATE KENNEDYS and THE 
	  FURTHER ADVENTURES OF BATMAN, in better bookstores now!
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (TheFoxx "AJ")
Subject: Re: Saberhagen's DOMINION -- is it a sequel?
Reply-To: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: "Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL"
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:57:23 GMT

In article <9208251255.AA07580@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin) writes:
|> I just finished Fred Saberhagen's book DOMINION, [...]

There's probably a title missing, but (in no particular order)...

THE DRACULA TAPES
AN OLD FRIEND OF THE FAMILY
THORN
DOMINION
From: diane@Apple.COM (Diane Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Other Anne Rice stories...
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:53:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <4955@calmasd.Prime.COM> rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark) writes:
>
>   The Feast of all Saints or Cry to Heaven??? And if so are they 
>   any good??? What are they about, (without spoiling for me please),
>   and has she writen any other books???
>
>   -[Russ.
>      

The Feast of All Saints is about mid-19th Century New Orleans (whether
post or pre Civil War I can't remember). It deals with the "gens libre
de couleur" or "free people of color" and the problems they face
trying to live in a white society. It took me a few times to get into
this novel, because for *my* tastes Rice's capital-R Romantic
sensibilities get in the way of anything happening in the book.
However, the research appears to be excellent, and I got a feeling for
what New Orleans may have been like at that time.

Cry To Heaven I enjoyed much more. It's the tale of Italian castrati,
boys who were mutilated so that they would sing beautifully forever.
There's intrigue and double-dealing and some wonderful descriptions of
Venice and other Italian locations. Again, I haven't the slightest
idea how Rice manages to capture the feeling of a time she hasn't
lived in, but she does an excellent job (IMHO). 

	-- Diane
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:16:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug26.174348.8528@vax.oxford.ac.uk> paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula". Following my
>recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's castle Not one reply came
>from anyone who had read the book, (rather than  comics, films, pop videos
>etc).
>P.S  On an entirely different and controversial note I reckon S.K's "IT" was
>and inferior ripoff of Bradbury's "Something wicked this way Comes". I'm ready 
>for the flames. :-). 

I have read Stoker's "Dracula" and found it to be very detailed. The reason I
didn't answer your question before (I remember it now) is because it has been
so long since I read the book and every movie version of it changes the
situations of the story. Honestly, I would have to read it again to tell you
what the actual situation with Jonathan Harker is throughout the book.
I am learning that with King's "It" there are two possibilities. Either you
loved it or you hated it. I personally thought it was pretty good in the way
of detail and creating a sense of being afraid to be afraid. I only saw part
of "Something Wicked This Way Comes" so I can't agree or disagree on that
point, but I can say that I think King has very high regard for Bradbury's
work, just from what I have read and heard. Happy posting! 
				Laurel
 


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: c9107143@cc.newcastle.edu.au (IT'S BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN TO FADE AWAY... THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE)
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:38:20 GMT

I'd look into alt.vampires if it existed...
so consider this a yes vote...
later
Kurgen
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Anthologies...
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 04:58:04 GMT

In article <dlaird.1c3e@terapin.com> dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird) writes:
>Can anyone recommend any anthologies of horror worth purchasing...I've taken a
>look at "The Best Fantasy & Horror of 1991" and thought that there MUST be
>something better.
I thought this one contained some very good short fiction. In particular
I thought the following were excellent (in no particular order):
Ligotti, The Glamour
Koja, Angel in Love
Koja, Teratisms
Jeter, True Love
Partridge, The Cut Man
Morrisson, The Braille Encyclopedia
Tem, At the End of the Day
Etchison, Call Home
Brite, The Ash of Memory, The Dust of Desire

Well, tell us what kind of horror you DO like, and maybe we can
recommend something good along those lines.
For instance, if you told us the last three books in the genre that you 
read and really liked, we might have to context to respond to this
intelligently.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Your friendly neighborhood flame-war 
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:08:32 GMT

In article <174tcfINN7ov@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>
>Awww, you're not going to come out an tell me that Ann Rice spent seven
>years as a journalist living and working with vampires or something, now
>are you?

Fuuuuuuu-nny.  No, but the sensual aspects of her vampires come from
her years of reading and writing romance novels, and I read somewhere 
that she grew up watching and loving the old Dracula-type films.  You
will notice that at no point did I say that CHARACTERS had to come from
an author's own experience, just the aspects of the story that make it
seem real.  If there's something that you've feared all your life, or
wished for constantly, or spent a lot of time doing, or in some other
way experienced, these are the things you should be writing about.
They make your work so much more believable.

Nothing to do with the subject at hand, but I really admire Anne Rice
for doing such a good job converting the vampire legend into modern
day.  Kudos to Anne.

Anyway, folks, you can now merrily flame away at me all you like, 
since I'm going to be out of town for a week!  It's open season on
Cypherkats.  So get your biggest gun, and I'll see you all in a
week ...

- the Cypherkat
From: barbey@lglsun.epfl.ch (Stephane Barbey)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampires (was: Alt.Vampyres)
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:23:58 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


I also would like to see an alt.vampires group.. 

-Steph

--
Stephane Barbey				"It's not easy getting real wings"	
INJ-335, barbey@di.epfl.ch
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula".
> Following my recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's
> castle Not one reply came from anyone who had read the book, (rather
> than  comics, films, pop videos etc).

I've read the book.  It's just that what you were asking didn't really make
much sense to me.  You say yourself that the last entry we hear from Harker's
diary at the castle was that he was going to try and escape by scaling the wall,etc.  He does eventually escape.  I never found it too difficult to assume that
he was successful in his escape plan.  I don't know why you find it so hard to
believe, or why it's so hard for you to figure out how he escaped.  He TELLS
you how he's going to escape.  Stoker makes you wait until later in the book
to find out if he's successful or not.  It's called suspense.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: Looking for Hellraiser info
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:24:27 GMT

In article <BtvGLD.45C@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:

>>1) Are there any other films out there that I will probably like if I like
>>these two?
>       Other Barker movies include _Rawhead Rex_ (A pretty faithful adaptation
>       of the short story of the same name) and _Nightbreed_ (A bizarre
>       story taken from his novella, _Cabal_.))da
>

There is also a movie called 'Angel Dust' which is based on a Barker 
story called 'Underworld'. I haven't been able to obtain the original
story (anyone out there who knows ?), but the movie is rather confusing ...

* jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Vampire advise
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug25.165136.15177@access.digex.com> rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale) writes:
>	If you are really into vampires, consider subscribing to the
>VAMPYRES ListServ.  I don't have the address handy, but if anyone's interested
>I'll be sure to have it handy next time I log in.
>Robin of Riverdale


I don't know whether or not I can access it, but I'd like to try it until we
can get something on here specifically about vampires since there is one!

				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: pickwick@sw.stratus.com (Michael Pickwick)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Anne Rice: "Tale of the Body Thief"
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:18:41 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <92240.103847EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy) writes:
> 
>  Well, I stopped into the local bookstore the other week, and found out that
> Anne's newest installment in the Vampire Chronicles is rearing to be released
> in October. I haven't had the pleasure to hear any early reviews as of yet, but
> has anyone else heard anything?
> 
>                                      -Ed
> 
>    ====================================================================
>                Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>               Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
>        "You're just a petty bureaucrat with a gun." -- Indiana Jones
>    ====================================================================

I read an article a month or two ago (I forget where) about Anne Rice that 
mentioned that she would have a new book out this October 31. And if you want
an early review checkout the upcoming issue of Playboy (I think its October) 
due out *tomorrow*.  Last months preview page said they would have an exerpt 
from Anne Rice's newest installment in the Vampire Chronicles for their monthly
story.

-------------------------------------
Mike Pickwick
Stratus Computer, Inc.
-------------------------------------
From: rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Other Anne Rice stories...
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:17:46 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


   The Feast of all Saints or Cry to Heaven??? And if so are they 
   any good??? What are they about, (without spoiling for me please),
   and has she writen any other books???

   -[Russ.
From: frisinv@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Looking for Hellraiser info
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:58:56 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Aug30.022427.19743@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu  
(Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
> 3) Were the films based on something that Barker wrote?
> 
> Thanks, Michael

They were based on "The Hellbound Heart", a short novel. While I haven't  
read it yet, my friends tell me that Hellraiser 2 was closer to the book  
than the first.

------
Vince
From: dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Anthologies...
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:40:07 GMT
Organization: BBS

Can anyone recommend any anthologies of horror worth purchasing...I've taken a
look at "The Best Fantasy & Horror of 1991" and thought that there MUST be
something better.

An aside- Lately I've been pursuing game design (currently Sci-Fi Japan) and
have been concurrently working on a horror RPG entited, "Night Runners". At
one time, I really found this to be enjoyable....but now I'm suffering designer
Brain Cramp..(Egads, my brain is bleeding).

Would any of you be willing to share some ideas with a misguided soul? :-)


dlaird@terapin.com
****************************************************************************** 
"The blasphemous beast rose from the putrid ichorous bile to display its
 cadaverous body and writhe as it lunged forward to grasp a man with its
 decomposing skeletal talons.........Now he's running for a second term."

******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:08:39 GMT

someone asked if _Deadlines_ could be read with each chapter being independant
of the rest of the novel. The answer is NO!  However... You could go through
and read the short stories an it independantly from everything else.

*Spoilers...*

	The whole idea of the novel is that two girls move into an apt.
together where the previous resident had commited suicide. This resident
was an author. The one girl finds and reads a bunch of his short stories.
These are the short stories you _could_ read alone...

	Then the stories have an effect on the girl who found them and
the plot is off and running... I'm not *really* doing the plot justice
here though...

	The novel is written around these short stories which the girl
finds and reads... but the whole short story is shown when is says that 
she is reading it....

	The shorts add illumination into the previous resident and
to what is currently happening... but they would (I suppose) still be
good on their own. In fact, I believe (could be mistaken) that one
or two of them ORIGINALLY appeared in print as an independant short .

does this elp any?

--
kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...
Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
From: frisinv@alleg.edu
Subject: Horror Magazines
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:06:37 GMT

   I'm an unpublished author of horror stories looking to rectify that  
situation. Mostly, I write supernatural/psychological oddities and  
something very vaguely Lovecraftian with a surrealist twist. Could anyone  
please e-mail or post the addresses of magazines that might publish this  
sort of fiction. 
A thousand blessings on the house that which can grant me any help.
-----
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:34:12 GMT

>     Awhile back I tried to get a discussion about Skipp & Spector
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I read a short story called "Gentlemen" by these guys.  Very impres-
sive.
  About their book, "Deadlines" - is this a novel built of self-
contained chapters which can be read apart from the whole?  I am
much more interested in reading short stories than novels.

                                                   -Curious
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Good Horror Films?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:49:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <geawMw200Uh744OXR7@andrew.cmu.edu> fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frederick D Wong) writes:
>I have been watching horror movies both in the theater, television, and
>on video since the age of 7 yet the question still hits my mind: what
>makes a good horror movie? Well, from my experience here's a rough
>compendium based what sort of interests the individual viewer has.
>
>Type I:The lover of "trash"
>Type II:The classical horror fan
>Type III:The lover of blood n' guts
>Type IV:The lover of versatility
>Type V:Humorous Horror
>So that's it on what really is a good horror movie. So many subjective
>factors, it simply depends on what exactly you want to see in a movie.
>FW  


I just deleted the descriptions so that I could have less stuff to send (I
liked the descriptions very much!:)). Just the usual: that you guys know me
and I am all of the above (but hopefully never a Type A personality:))!

				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: demoep@psilink.com (Ernest Perez)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: "The World's First Hypertext Dissertation" (FORMAT)
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:52:04 GMT
Organization: Access Information Assoc., Inc.
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

FYI, I completed my dissertation on the hypertext topic in December, 
1991.  It was from the library science view, involving the design of 
access to information within a hypertext system.

In response to several requests from people asking if it was available in 
ASCII or other electronic format, I finally got around to transporting 
it to an MS-DOS HyPlus (MaxThink) version back about March or so.  It was 
case study methodology, a study of the huge MaxThink CD-ROM hypertext on the 
accounting/auditing subject, done under contract for Deloitte & Touche.  
Since it was ABOUT MaxThink, my choice of hyperformat was an obvious one.

I've uploaded it to several FTP sites.  For those who may be interested, 
I've appended availability information.

Cheers,
ernest

..............................
Ernest Perez, Ph.D
Access Information Associates
2183 Buckingham, Suite 106
Richardson TX 75081
214-530-4800
INTERNET: eperez@utdallas.edu
  BITNET: eperez@utdallas
..............................

Perez, Ernest R. "A study of traditional information access models
applied in a hypertext information system."  [Ph.D. dissertation] Denton
TX, Texas Woman's University, 1991.
  My dissertation treats information access point design in hypertext.
An MS-DOS *hypertext* runtime version of the dissertation, file name of 
HYPDISS.ZIP or HYPERDISS.ZIP, is available by anonymous ftp from:

    wsmr-simtel20.army.mil        in directory pd1:<msdos.hypertext>
    hydra.uwo.ca                  in directory libsoft
    ftp.unt.edu			  in directory library