HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: all you fags out there!!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:50:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul23.225754.4694@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
+
+In a previous article, harrist@seq.uncwil.edu (Trey Harris) says:
+>Which one of you big handsome men wants to go out on a flaming gay
+>date with me and my sheep "Pee Wee" ? Pee Wee is very talented...
+
+Is this a de-muffining?

Sometimes the oven gets left on to long, and the result is a burnt
muffin, or just plain burnt residue.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Edinburgh (was Re: Another newcomer...)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:08:34 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>I'm even less convinced about pink triangle badges being of any use,

I wasn't thinking of anything that discreet.  My bisexual T-shirts mainly
have the word "bisexual" on them somewhere:

  8th British National Conference (white, ordinary)
  8th British National Conference (blue, committee member)
  Bisexual Pride/San Francisco Conference
  bi <heart>
  Lark in the Park '92/Edinburgh Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Festival.

and no doubt I'll eventually get one of the new Bifrost "Bisexual Pride"
shirts as well.  I'm also considering getting a couple made up for myself:
  Bisexual & Queer - get used to it
  Warning: ice-pick wielding bisexual - do not agitate (ok, so it's old).

Then there's the lesbian and gay T-shirts ("speaking as a lesbian and gay
man myself ...")

  Lark in the Park '90(?)/Edinburgh Lesbian and Gay Festival.
  The Names Project
  soc.motss (I'm a bit fed up with this because it's meaningless to so many
	     people, but the folk at my new job will understand it.)

I've a feeling that I've forgotten one, but you get the idea.  I've a few
badges as well.  Not to mention .signature files ...

>Are you sure [The Cambridge bisexual group] is an all year round group?

No, I don't think it is.  (I'm tempted to say "yet").  I doubt I'll be able
to attend regularly anyway.  But it's a place to meet people.

>I'm not at all convinced that there is a gay pub in Cambridge,

There's at least one, I've been there.  It's a bit delapidated compared to
the Edinburgh scene, but it beats Edinburgh gay pubs by having a pool table :-)

>Where's your new job by the way?

Harlequin Ltd.  I'll be working on their ML compiler.

(Anything else specifically about Cambridge should probably be taken to
 e-mail).

Dave.
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Xref: sparky soc.bi:9794 soc.motss:32974
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:17:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.712433854
Organization: University of Washington

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey):
>> IBM and AT&T employees in bed together?  My God, it really is a new world
>> order.

>did you hear they're gonna rename IBM to EVE?

>well, what else would you call a company that has an Apple in
>one hand and a Wang in another?

>:-)
>-- 
>Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
>Queer Without A Cause!
>"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
>right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon

	
	heard at a street fair in seattle last year:

	(by a guy waving around some kind of parody magazine he was selling)

	'see bill gates naked; find out why it's called microsoft'

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
From: dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

Aaahh!!! I go away for a *week*.  One measly week!  When I get back, there's
been a news-server crash, and I seem to have missed a whole chunk of soc.bi :-(
What's worse, it would seem that people have been gossiping about party 'photos.

Just how incriminating *ARE* they?

Colin
(Missing ~260 articles, and jolly miffed about it)

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:52:28 GMT

In article <24184@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
[about, in a somewhat elliptical fashion, California]
|No, I DO NOT DRIVE!!!  I gather this is sacrilige in that part of the
|world.

   Yes, it is, but since you're from the UK you're granted dispensation
for it.  (Though if you stay more than a week, this dispensation may be
withdrawn.)

   If you were making the grand tour, you'd rapidly see why it's sacrilege
here (it takes a *lot of planning to leave the beaten path (which, by
unfortunate coincidence, is where all of the railroad museums are) and not
spend the rest of your days thumbing rides and hiking down sideroads.)

                __
  david parsons \/  "At least I didn't start *this digression"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:14:01 GMT

In article <Bs6J5w.B58@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>
>>If any of the soc.bi hot horny bi babes feel like a good flame, now
>>you know where to go...
>
>Ooooh, you just don't want to create a little heat after all, you want to
>burn the place down . . .

So, what does it take to be a "babe" anyway?  Is being female a necessary
condition, or could I describe myself as a hot, horny bi babe, and get away
with it.
--scott
From: jhm@hourglas.UUCP (Jonathan Hulley-Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bi(ish) book recommendation
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:17:00 GMT
Organization: The Hourglass UNIX box

In article <1992Jul25.135647.1612@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
> I don't remember this being in the list of bi books someone posted;
>anyway, if it was, apologies in advance.
> _The Rose Of The Prophet_ trilogy, by Margaret Weis and Tracy
>Hickman (yes, those two)

Nope it was not on the list. I just updated it now.

----
Mercedes Lackey - The Last Herald Mage (3 volumes)
		- The Heralds of Valdemar (3 volumes)
		- Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (with Ellen Guon)
		- Summoned to Tourney (with Ellen Guon)
		- Born to Run (with Larry Dixon)
Tanya Huff	- The Fire's Stone
		- Blood Price 
		- Blood Trail 
Ellen Kushner	- Swordspoint
Loren McGregor	- The Net
Arthur C. Clarke- Imperial Earth
		- Song's of distant Earth
		- 2010
		- 2061 
George Nader	- Chrome
Sam Delany	- Dhalgren
		- Stars in My Pocket like Grains of Sand
		- Nova 
Gael Baudino	- Gossamer Axe
J. F. Rivkin	- Silver Glass Series (? volumes)
Joe Haldeman	- The Forever War
Geoff Ryman	- The Child Garden
Diane Duane	- Door into Fire
		- Door into Shadow
Harry Harrison 	- Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers
Sharon Baker	- Quarreling , They Met the Dragon
David Gerrold	- The Man who folded Himself
Heather Gladney - Teot's War 
John Varley	- Gaea Trilogy (3 volumes)
		- The Persistance of Vision
		- Blue Champagne
		- The Ophiuchi Hotline
Elizabeth Lynn	- The Chronicles of Tornor (3 volumes)
		- A Different Light
		- The Woman Who Loved the Moon
Storm Constantine	- Wraeththu series (3 volumes) 
Robert Silverberg	- At Winter's End
Katherine Forrest	- Daughters of the Coral Dawn
Marion Zimmer Bradley	- Darkover series (? volumes) 
Margaret Weis / Tracy Hickman - The Rose of the Prophet (3 volumes)

Elf Sternberg 	- USENET: Journal Entries (? volumes)

R. A. Heinlein	- Books ?
Uranian Worlds  - Author ? : Review of GLB Science Fiction and Fantasy
----

Jonathan
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: Hi there
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:48:58 GMT

Now that my business post is done...:)

Hi, I'm Pete--3rd year Social Work major at RIT.

I have been a lurker here for a short month or so and have found it to be
a wonderfully warm and embracing place for someone who's having one HELL
of a time dealing with feelings related to a sexual orientation.

I know for a fact that I am bisexual. I definitely am attracted to women and
men turn me on mentally as well as physically (although I am a virgin with
men). In my family, I've grown up with 3 strongly ANTI-gay/bi brothers. I 
cannot come out to them or my parents at this point.  Being disabled, I am
unable to live financially away from home yet so I continue to hide and stay
with women (as far as they know -heh heh).  By my meaning of disabled, I mean
that I only have 2 fingers on each hand (w/ prosthesis) and no legs below the
knees and the constant use of a warp-powered wheelchair. (Gee-can ya guess
what my favorite show is??? NNNAAAHHHH!). Everything else works-TRUST ME IT
WORKS!! :)

That's my first post--I'll be away from tomorrow (Sunday July 26) to Friday
(July 31st???). So please don't reply quite yet or my reader will nuke it
before I read it (SOB!). Email and hugs are always welcome...

Thanx for listening..in advance. :)

Pete
-- 
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Email should be sent only to PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Disclaimer: You don't like what I'm writing? Oh well.
"Well shut my mouth wide open!"- Tiny Toons HISMV
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nair@quintus.com (Anil Nair)
Subject: Re: Dusky Beauty Tells All
Organization: Quintus Corporation, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:28:19 GMT

> In article <76728@ut-emx.uucp> (soc.bi), keisha@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Coed of the Damned) writes:
> Hello, Keisha here, demuffining.

Could some kind hot bi babestud (or is it studbabe) tell me what
demuffining means?

Thanks,

Anil Nair

-- 
Reply to nair@quintus.com nair@quintus.uucp 
      or sun!quintus!nair or quintus!nair@sun.com
      or ...!sun!quintus!nair 
      or ...!{ames,excelan,pyramid,oliveb,altos,ucbvax,bionet}!amdahl!sun!quintus!nair
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Rights or Privilege
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:54:32 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <1992Jul29.135333.9980@athena.cs.uga.edu>
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>It's the word "privilege" that does this. It seems to be that the phrase
>>"(basic human) rights" would sometimes be more appropriate. For example,
>>is heterosexual-privilege really a privilege that heterosexual have or
>>it a basic right which queer folk are denied?
>
>It is a basic right which queer folx are denied. However, I define it
>as priviledge for that reason - when one group enjoys benifits that
>are denied to another, that group is priviledged over the other group.

I think my understanding of privilege was slightly different. I thought
of a privilege as an "extra something", _above_and_beyond_ a basic set of
rights.

It may seem like a subtle difference in semantics but it is that
difference which determines if I might give a knee-jerk reaction or
not. As such, the semantic difference is important to me. Perhaps it is
one reason why I have had trouble understanding the concept of
heterosexual privilege in the first place. (I don't have difficulty
understanding the queer folk are denied basic human rights.)

>>[Aside:
>> Strangely, I don't feel the same knee-jerk reaction when the phrase
>> male-privilege is used as when heterosexual-privilege is used. Yet still
>> I think that it is not so much a privilege which men have, but rather a
>> set of rights which are denied women.
>>]
>
>So why can't you apply the same concept to heterosexual priviledge.

I agree that I _should_ be able to. I wrote that aside to point out the
anomaly. I'm just sort of thinking out loud, hoping that somebody else
will be able to provide some into why this anomaly exists.


<> I hate straight people who think stories about themselves are
<> "universal" but stories about us are only about homosexuality.
<> --- "Queers Read This"

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Life does funny things sometimes
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul24.221824.28920@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
+
+I'm still reading "Closer to Home" (Iseult - when I'm done, I'll tell you
+what I think), but the problem of being ostracized from feminist communities
+is an old one - remember the "trashing" of the early 70's, where a woman
+could be expelled for not being a proper participant in the "consensus
+process".  This meant if a woman spoke as an individual to the press, or

I recall reading a quote attributed to Susan B. Anthony(I think, if
pressed I look it up, one of these days I' be anally retentive
enough to use 3x5 cards for all these quotes). Her statement was
that much of the 'falure' of the women's movement, was due to the
infighting amoungst the women.

+The ur-theme is perhaps the cliques that mean little girls form in late
+elementary school, where the "leader" decides who is "in" or "out" that
+day. 

As in the movie, 'The Heathers'....
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:51:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

-> (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
->
->I confess also being attracted to bi women. My reasons and stereotypes:
-> 1. I like really cool (short), cute haircuts.
-> 2. They're less repressed by traditional sex-role stereotypes.
-> 3. They're more adventureous (less repressed).
-> 4. I'm attracted to tomboyish women.
-> 5. I like going to dance clubs with good music and people who can dance.
-> 6. Probably less likely to follow rigid het. dating procedures.
-> 7. Bi women are more open and accepting than straight women.
->

After thinking about it for a bit, I find that we have the same interests
when it comes to the females...

I also found (upon examination...) that I prefer men that are not the most
masculine of characters (but I really don't like feminists in men...)

->    and, oh yeah :-) :-) :-)
-> 0. More likely to fulfill my life-long fantasy of a three-some.
->
->	Seriously, I think that is probably the first thing people
->  assume when a guy wants a bi woman. Me, I don't care.

I, for one, while joking around with the idea of a three-some, am not sure
if I could handle one....<grin>...I have an idea of what MY limitations
are...

*hugs to all*

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|                                                                |
|   Kevin Colagio         I happen to like    My other computer  |
|        aka              me the way I am!   is a Commodore 64C. |
| kdc5072@cs.rit.edu            huh?            yeah,  right!    |
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:36:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.92a5n5
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Jul18.143337.5061@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> (soc.bi), pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> Why thank you Chris!  You've brightened my day - I was a little morose.
> (I'm coming down to reality after being in Edin-bi-rgh.)

I'm glad I could brighten your day.  For all three of you.  I should
have included birthday slurps for all of you.  One for each year.  Much
more fun that spankings. (although I'm sure that those can be provided
for anyone who wants them.) :-)
> 
> I hope I get to see you when Sara comes to visit.

I hope so too.  Although if not, you live in the same general area that
my mother lives so perhaps I can visit you next time I go up to visit
her.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Marraige and Segregation
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:52:02 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.131133.1644@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, julie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> Marraige, to me, is
> appalling because it privelidges a certain type of relationship in a
> manner which is both homophobic and sexist.  It supports a value
> system which supports an ideal in which _I_ can not exist.  I.e., the
> legitimization of families through special treatment only for
> _heterosexual_ models of a family is designed, in part, to do us in. 
> And I say that when we, as bisexuals, choose to marry, we are engaging
> in a form of apartheid which is truly insidious and self-destructive
> and I can't make an exception for you because it might hurt your
> feelings.  It's not a matter of your relationship with a woman and it
> is not a matter of your "chaning."  It's a matter of how you seek
> validation for who you are and where you go to seek it.   By getting
> married, you sure as hell won't get it from me.
> 
> --Julie

Just a little note that I thought might interest Julie and others that feel
that marriage is based on a heterosexual model of the family.  Currently in
Canada, the government or courts (can't remember which) is seriously looking
at making same sex marriages possible.  Most churches will probably stay
away from (except the United Church of Canada which does not condemn homo-
sexuality), but the JP's will be able to perform the ceremony.  One can only
hope that those in power are wise enough to follow through on this.

Ciao,

      __o       Brad Booth                |  
    _`\<,_      Bell-Northern Research    |  "He doesn't need a motive.
   (*)/ (*)     Ottawa, Ontario, Canada   |   He's a psychopath."
 ------------   bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca    |  ... Tony Scalli, The Commish
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: San Fransisco
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:33:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <17311@autodesk.COM> grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth) writes:
+
+Please do not repost this outside of this list and please RSVP;
+I need to keep some control on who arrives and plays. :-)

Well, that narrows the field a bit, to maybe some 40000 listeners..
even if 1% showed up, about 400 people, the police would probably
come sooner than you'd like.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:21:01 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Jul27.004004.19031@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>company on a number of issues.  I agree with Iseult that his 
>cross-posting from soc.motss about bis and their partners was a 
>gratutitous display of his biphobia.

Damn! Have I missed some good flames?  What was the subject heading - I'll
have to go back and look for these - all the soc.motss postings get caught
by my kill file.  (I *had* noticed an awful lot being killed recently,
right enough...)

G
From: hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Party
Date: 17 Jul 92 00:45:02 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: The Turing Institute, Ltd.

(Colin Dente) writes:

   Indeed, come on folks - where are your confessions?  More to the point, where
   are the photos?

Sorry dude -- I got astroglide in my camera while in the moon bounce!
Such a bummer! 

	-Don

PS: However, the infra-red flash photos *did* come out. And black and
white is *so* artistic! What incredible poses you get when people
think they're safe in the dark! 

(But I'm keeping those for myself.)

[no he isn't - Orc]
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:21:54 GMT

In article <4874@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>
>And when it's no big thing to say you're bi,
>and a lot more of us speak up who *aren't* at the high end of the Kinsey
>scale, I think we'll find that we're not a minority inside a minority,
>but the largest group of non-straights around...

Maybe it shouldn't be surprising when Steve Dyer says that most of the
bis he knows seem to have regular MOTOS partners.  It seems reasonable
to guess that the distribution of sexual orientation should be
largest at the low end of the Kinsey scale...

--John
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