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From: jt2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Teng)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Re: A Story of Revenge, or Missed Him By That () Much
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:41:01 GMT
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

You can fake a DP or FB by making the stick motion and then hitting the
short kick button.  Works wonders for me.  Especially against other
Ken/Ryu players, because the only way to attack is to jump in, and if
you induce your opponent to jump in with a fake FB, you can nail 'em.


Anybody else out there think Ken is more powerful than Ryu in HF? 
Granted, Ryu's HK in mid-air is one of the best weapons now, but notice
the speed increase of Ken's DP?  One thing is do is corner my opponent
in the corner, and then mix lots of FBs and jab DPs.  Sooner or later
they'll jump, FB, or stick out a juicy roundhouse sweep for me to DP. I
luv it.

IMO, Bison can still beat Ken/Ryu in HF.  Even if you maintain that full
screen distance and mix up FBs, Bison can still nail you with the short
kick head stomp.  It's faster than the other head stomps and it's
practically unblockable.  Once your energy is down, you have to start
pressing the attack, and the full screen distance method is moot.  One
thing I try is to corner Bison and mix up Fbs and DPs.  Anyways, it's
not secret to anyone that once Bison is in the corner both Ken and Ryu
can lock him in a nasty FB trap.  If the screen is wide open, then K/R
is done for.

++++++++++
John Teng
Senior
Information and Decision Systems
Carnegie Mellon University
+++++++++

"Gan Ni Nian"
From: johnjohn@cco.caltech.edu (John Carlos White)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Re: The ONLY way to play SF2
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:07:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

[Steve's post and Ming's reply deleted]

Nice try Steve, but Ming managed to stick his whole entire fist in your
sarcasm.

John
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: ZANGS
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:02:11 GMT

In <1k4o1fINNijd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc676@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc R. Klenotic) writes:


>Anyone find any use for the Zangief "Stomach Grab".  You must
>jump straight up holding either up or down on the stick (forgot
>so sue me!) then push a punch button (have only tried firece though).
>This has to be the stupidest move in the world.  Zangief jumps
>up and grabs his stomach.  It has such a small hit range especially
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>since you cannot do it jumping forward or backward.  (BTW: Noticed
>in SNES SF][).

Hell, no!!  It has a wide hit range.  Just that it won't opponents on the 
ground.  It server as a USEFUL counter to aerial attacks.

It stops Vega's screaming eagle and Bison's head stomp cold.  Also useful
for taking out Chun Li's bouncing on your head.  The only way it'll hit 
opponents on the ground is that you must be real close to them.
Trust me, Zangief needs this move against a Vega.
(Wish Dhalsim had one.....)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: HF Endings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:30:46 GMT

tmorris@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Morris) writes:

>johnjohn@cco.caltech.edu (John White) writes:

>>>What happens when either Sagat or Bison finish the game?  At the end of the
>>>winner's end-game sequence, we see your character, with Bison on the left  
>>>[...]

>>I can't actually answer your question, but I can point out that not all of  
>>the character endings actually look like the one that you describe.  Ryu's  
>>does, but that's the only one that I know of.

>In Hyper Fight, there's an additional graphic of a dais floating on a dark
>background with your guy in the numero uno position.  This is shown after
>the normal ending but before the game credits.  I'm wondering, is this
>scene skipped if you complete the game with Ryu?  (I should hope so!)

No

>--
>Tim Morris

-- 
Joe Zell               *  "I knew Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was my  
zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *  friend..."
                       *            -Ronald Reagan, 1992 GOP convention speech
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: lennad@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Dmitri Lenna)
Subject: HF: Chun Q?
Reply-To: lennad@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:32:07 GMT


   Quick question for all you chun-li nuts :)
   
     well now that I think about it 2 questions :)

   First and foremost, has anyone tried the possible combo of
    Jumping fierce,standing fierce, buffered fireball ?
      ( after all seems to work for ken and ryu )

   I'd try it myself but I'm having trouble with the fireball,
    which bring me to me second question :)

   I used to know someone who used to throw firebals with ken/ryu
    by throwing one normally, but then continuing to move the joystick 
   around in a circle hitting a punch button everytime the joystick
   was in the forward position... does this work  for our little girl 
  from China too ?

   THanks ! :)

    Dmitri "Dmitheon" Lenna
    Shinma-Buma of Anime Wars Crisis
From: rucky@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Gerhard Ruckriegel)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: SF2 1.90 wanted ! dead or alive
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:44:41 GMT
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de


Hi! I am seeking for a new version of famous SF2 made by the Korean guy!!!!!
I got version 1.87 form WUARCHIVE just before they deleted it :(
So if you have SF2 1.90 or better, please send it to me (uuencoded) 
( I just can't wait fighting against Ken and Dalsim! =8*) )

If someone posts it to me, I can send it to others untill my
mail server knocks down because of SF2 activities. B*) 

Thanks!
-Rucky
email: rucky@cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

---------------------------------------------------------
If anyone knows where it can be found on an Internet Site,
feel free to give this information to me.

Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman)
Subject: Re: A Story of Revenge, or Missed Him By That () Much
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:19:32 GMT

Well, what I was mostly doing was not so much defending Jung (is that the right name? I forgot to check) as trying to explain his thoughts on his behalf...

It is difficult to quit sometimes when you are being beat.  But there is a 
difference between losing to a superior opponent which you could beat with a 
little bit of money, practice, and observation, and losing to a Bison player
who pulls of torpedo after torpedo.  Why bother spending $$$ to practice
against this?  It's not cost-effective to spend so much on the most difficult
trick in the game, one you are only rarely going to face anyhow, either facing
the computer or facing Bisons (since experienced Bisons seem to drop the
torpedo-torpedo-torpedo trick in favor of more intelligent and frankly, less
boring tactics.)

Maybe Bison indeed is within his rights to torp-torp-torp.  But sensibly, its
a hollow victory.  What, really, is the fun in torping to death the unskilled
to medium-skilled players?  You might as well go out and shovel the snow in
the arcade parking lot, the same hand motions are involved, and you'd be doing
something more productive.

Aphoriel/Kinsman
Sean Givan

Xref: sparky alt.games.sf2:6824 alt.games.sf2:6825
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:25:16 CST
From: <U46322@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2,alt.games.sf2
Subject: SF2-00X.LHZ MOVES

Hi!  Is there anybody who knows the moves for sf2-00x version?

when you play on super modes, I found out that there are more moves than

the original one.  Ryu disappears somehow after throwin fire ball and more.

If you do know, please post it on netnews or mail it to me.

Thanks.

------------- Dave -------------------
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Some more HF observations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:45:02 GMT


>From my experience, I've noticed that a GOOD player playing
>Blanka will dominate the machine (I've done it before :]).

Well, I'd bet a master Ken would dominate a GOOD Blanka anyday.  
Especially on HF.  Besides Honda, I'd bet he's the most improved, even
though he really didn't need it.

Caine Schneider

-- 
"Attack me if you dare, I will crush you!" -Ken
"I've got a bad feeling about this..." -Solo -Skywalker -Leia
--
From: hoanga@sage4b.its.rpi.edu (Alain Hoang)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Re: Questions questions
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:33:10 GMT
Reply-To: hoanga@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.


	Thanx to all that replied to my questions.  I have partaken a mission
to use the Hurricane Kick for Ryu as it hasn't been used before.  After watching
our local Ryu master (who doesn't have the HK down as good as all you Ryu nuts
but better than me by far) HK E.Honda out of a Torpedo one day I was inspired
to annoy people with this kick to no ends.  So far I keep forgetting about the
kick but I'll have to use it on Roll-happy Blankas :)

	Hmmm, I suspected that such a late use in the HK was necessary for 
jumping over fireballs and I believe that the HK doesn't go over Jab FB's that
well at all.  And I guess I'll have to go get and practice my timing to hop over
it.  *sigh* Oh well more practice.  Another question ....   DOes it matter
WHICH kick you use for the HK when jumping over Fireball's.  When I have done
it (wih major inconsistencies) it's always been the Roundhouse kick.  But I'd
like to use different kicks so I can mix up the distance partaken after jumping
over the fireball with the HK.

THanx Beforehand

Alain Hoang
hoanga@rpi.edu
"Whaddya know, learned somethin' new"
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: changmi@ecf.toronto.edu (CHANG MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: Worldwide Guide to SF2 Etiquitte (Survey)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
		I like it. Nice names !!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:54:51 GMT

Hmm, Assassin....
From: mcorbin@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Max Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: More about SF2IBM
Summary: Breaking the graphics files
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:36:23 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

I do a lot of graphics programming and would looove to write my own
version of SF2.  I got the version off of wuarchive and figured out part
of the graphics formats, faces and backgrounds only.

The .re files contain the graphics information described in the .ide
files.  Every sprite resource is straight binary except for the .re
files.  These seem to use some form of compressing black space.  Has
anyone tinkered with these and figured out how to decode them?  I would
like to talk to the writer of the game himself if he reads this
newsgroup. 

I would be thankful for any help.

Max

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| | | | -- >|  ---+	 +	tunnel.  It may be an oncoming Dragon.
+-+-+-+---/ +-----+     \_/
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From: btdcs207@csd.uwe.ac.uk (DOC)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: ZANGS
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Ok, I am a new Zangief Player, I am normally a ken/ryu man, but have
decided to learn someone else.
I have got pretty good with him, pretty quickly.
But can someone tell me what to do when Vega does a screaming Eagle ?
I can only block and hope he doesnt do the backbreaker move on me.
It is a nightmare, someone help pleasssseeeeeee


Scott
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: un026300@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: SFII Bible
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:08:57 EST
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

COMING ALL NET USERS
  THE OFFICAL STREET FIGHTER II BIBLE
   look for it on the net 12:01 am 1-29-93
         look for this name to tell it's offical 
                   -Museum of Modern Street Fighter-
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: changmi@ecf.toronto.edu (CHANG MICHAEL)
Subject: More Ryu/Ken Sounds
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:16:46 GMT

	More Fireball:

	ALL-YOU-GET
	HAdoken
	Nooget
	Nueget (Like the spread)

	Hurricane:

	HaiYetNuGet

	Dragon Punch:

	Yu-Get
	SOUNDS LIKE FIREBALLS
.

Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2,rec.games.video
From: M6QC000 <M6QC@UNB.CA>
Subject: SFII Soundtrack
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:47:11 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get the soundtrack to SFII ? (cassette
or CD)  I remember seeing an ad for it a few months ago and would like
to hear it.

Thanks,

Justin Bagley
From: skydive@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: GET A GRIP!
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:21:29 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <9217@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, norman@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Norman C. Lee) writes:
>                                                                                           
IT'S JUST A GAME! GIVE IT UP. I'LL ADMIT IT'S A GOOD GAME, BUT THAT'S IT.
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ANY SPECIAL MOVES. JUST PLAY THE FRIGGIN' THING
AND DON'T MAKE AN ISSUE OF IT.

                                                                                           > 	I have sf2.00[2-7].lzh, and I'm assuming that there isn't a *001.lzh.  But I can't seem to unpack it.  Wh 
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent)
Subject: Re: Worldwide Guide to SF2 Etiquitte (Survey)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:24:38 GMT

Whether or not I'll give second rounds is situational.

If there is a long line of people waiting to play (2 or more), then I
will try to crush the opposition as quickly as possible, unless I'm trying
to annoy someone who's waiting in line.  The scrub can wait for a time
when the machine is not so busy to practice his skills.  It's not fair
for the 'real' competition to wait in line and get less playing time than
the scrub.  

If I'm feeling generous or bored, I'll play the scrub one-handed.  Obviously,
if he loses, he deserved it.  He needs to practice much more if he can't
beat someone who's playing one-handed.

If there's just me and the scrub, I'll play two-handed for all three rounds,
and try to give a good match the second round.  I'll hit the scrub with
one jab or short sweep attack for every mistake that he made.  If he makes
enough mistakes to get himself killed with jabs and short sweeps, then he
didn't deserve a second round and needs to practice on the computer.

I will not hesitate to throw or even 'cheap' a scrub.  I think it would
be cruel to deprive them of the opportunity to learn to counter and expect
these situations.
-- 
Eu-Ming Lee (aka CyberGeek)                      el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
If you have nothing good to say, sit down, shut up, and post to USENET.
From: v116qhth@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I'm not evil...I'm just good looking)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: SF2:IBM
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Could someone send me the SF2 IBM version or tell me how to get it?
From: bc676@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc R. Klenotic)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Re: More combo's
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:28:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I have not once used the mothod of Down to Up right.  Possibly there
are more than one way to do the move but my way has/does work...
Even on HF.
-- 
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*   -=bc676=-    *                --Encrypted
*Marc R. Klenotic*                        Message--
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From: law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN YEW KEONG)
Subject: Re: Worldwide Guide to SF2 Etiquitte (Survey)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:38:06 GMT

Seth James Killian (skillian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: >>(3) Person is kicked out of arcade
: >Never that I know of, it's just a game.
: 	Happened to me before, twice.  Both times in the burbs and once at 
: 	the Galaxyworld in Carol Stream.  Not by the local losers, they usually
: 	called the manager and security guards to get me to leave...
: 	Incidentally, I have actually gotten into two fights (the fist swingin
: 	type) over SF.  Both of the guys were pretty small in comparison to me
: 	(I'm about 6'2" and 190) but I guess they just assume that a pair of	
: 	glasses is a sign that I can't fight...
: 	I also once saw a guy get knifed in China town when I was a little
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 	younger.  The guy hadn't even been "cheap", he just kicked ass.  The
:       ^^^^^^^^
	moral?  Avoid Chicago's Chinatown SF2 scene...Scary stuff...
: 
: 		Seth Killian
: 		           
How much younger? Sf2's just been out for a year and a half right? 
--

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From: pierre@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Anthony J Pierre)
Subject:  Hmm, cheap? 
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:43:08 GMT


There was this guy, in the game room at olaf, that is a prety good player, but
he has one major flaw, he thinks everything i do is cheap.  on with the story..


12:00 downstairs is the time when all of the SF addicts go to play, there are
some skilled players, one plays chun li, and one plays ken or guile, one plays 
blanka, and i play dhal.  We usually dominate the machine whenever we are down  there alone, but when we are there together, we have some heated battles.  I was down there for a while, and i pretty much got whompped today, ticking a little
to get out of corners, drill throwing etc, but this ken comes up and challanges me i thought i was going to get some competittion.. and i did, i was whompped 
the first match, and came close in the second, all of the time, this guy was 
muttering cheap under his breath.. then he said " OH! if you want to play cheap..."  and he tried to tick me, but i am a decent counter-thrower and beat him
at MY own game, he did not know how to tick very well, so he lost, he was so    pissed i had beaten him, he took guile and started the "cheap" (i do not think
anything is cheap) stuff again. I beat him the first round.. he then went back
to his old "samurai" styl, and i was beaten.  But i did prove a point.. 
do not cheap a cheap player unless you know how to play cheap better than that so called cheap player.  I wish i went to UIUC, where i would not get into these
"moral" questions.  and BTW dhal was toned down so much.. i  have trouble beating scrubs now *sigh*.  oh well, any help with dhal is appreciated, and 
i amm an asshole and i know it =)

later
From: egrayver@cco.caltech.edu (Eugene Grayver)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Please send me SF2-???.lzh
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:55:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Please somebody get me a copy of the latest SF2 for ibm.  I tried wuarchive
repeatedly but without any success.  Please uuencode it and send it to me, or
upload it to any site.  If you upload it, please e-mail me telling when and
where.  But better, just mail it to me.  My e-mail:
egrayver@punisher.cco.caltech.edu
Thanks in advance.
From: eleeakk@rosie.uh.edu (DAVID J. ROBERSTON)
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: Dragon punch question
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:56 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


   What is the difference in joystick motions between a buffered
dragon punch and a 2 hit one?  Whenever I attempt a multi-hit fierce
DP, I usually get a Fierce punch, then a DP. 
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Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Worldwide Guide to SF2 Etiquitte (Survey)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:05:16 GMT


>		In my defense, I would like to say that I have never, to
>	my knowledge, slain a scrub in some merciless, two round combo
>	fest.  I always give second rounds to those I deem unworthy (unless
>	they piss me off).  My reasoning is simple: if you give the scrub
>	second round, you get an extra round to beat the living hell out
>	of them :).  I wasn't always this way, in fact, I used to be one
>	of a very rare (and unmentioned) class of SF2 players: the Sensei.
>	I would actually teach people as much as I knew, and almost all
>	of my little tricks.  I was what you might call a nice guy.
>		Then came UIUC.  I was turned into my current self at the 
>	hands of Cybergeek and the rest of you skilless all tick bastards.
>	Unfortunately, I have joined the ranks of the bastards.  For a while,
>	I thought, I'll beat these guys without throwing, even in my own
>	defense.  Throwing is evil.  I lost a bunch.
>		I actually miss the days of hanging around and just being 
>	generally nasty.  No one plays anymore, and its only fun to tick 
>	scrubs to death if you think you might be able to make them cry...

>		Seth "The (Annoying) Bastard" Killian
 			   ********
Annoying Ryu, that is.  Slaying scrubs is my job.  I take liberty in
bludgeoning them with combos left and right.  Terrorizing them with triple
hit DP combos as they get so I fall out of range.  Of course after a few of
these battles, I grow weary of fighting them, and slack off.  I don't like
ticking people, since everyone seems to whine about it.  I will throw a tick 
in the match to preserve a perfect, or put an ! on something though.  My
favorite is jumping in, not doing anything, then throwing them.  That's funny.
A couple days ago, I got a real kick out of walking half the distance of the
screen up to this guy and throwing him.  Amusing.  Evil!

-- 
Caine Schneider
--
"Attack me if you dare, I will crush you!" -Ken
"I've got a bad feeling about this..." -Solo -Skywalker -Leia
From: pblank@inode.com
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
Subject: SNES MOVES AND GAME GENIE
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:21:33 EST
Reply-To: pblank@inode.com
Distribution: world
Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146)

I think the codes you need are in the Febuary issue of EGM. I'd give it to you but i can't find it. 

#! rnews 1
Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
From: petitc@nuge108.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Worldwide Guide to SF2 Etiquitte (Survey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:13:45 GMT

aed005@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:

>     I'd be interested in hearing the final results of this survey.

  Ok.  I'll try to collect the results and post them Feb. 1.  You have until
Jan. 31 to get your votes in.


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