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From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:31:57 GMT


Omar,

I live near Flemington and could not find a place to ride
here in Hunterdon county due mostly to insurance the people
told me.  There is a real nice park just over the border in
Pennsylvania called Tyler state park.  At the park there is
supposed to be a place to rent horses without guides for 
riding on the trails in the park.  They say the rates are
real affordable.

Best of luck, I gave up and am building my barn so now I 
have my two morgans and pony here.

stan

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From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:13:42 GMT
Subject: Re: gymkhanas in the States
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


There are lots of gymkana in the states, for both western
and English riders.  A couple of classes I think are fun
- the dollar race.  Riding bareback, you sit on a dollar bill.
  You trot to the end of the arena and back.  The one who still
  has the dollar bill under them wins the dollar.
- Champain class.  You hold a glass of champain, trot a figure
  eight.  The one with the most champain left in the glass wins.
- Rescue ride.  One person stands at the end of the arena.
  The second person is on horseback, races to the end of the
  arena and picks up the other person.  They ride back double
  to the start.  The team that finishes in the least time wins.
- Musical chairs.  Have chairs in the middle of the arena.
  Horse and riders walk in circle around chairs.  When the music
  stops, the riders dismount and take a chair.  There is one
  less chair than riders.  The person who doesn't get a chair
  is out.  One chair is removed, and the process starts over
  again until only one person remains.

Wendy
From: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: olympic three-day
Keywords: olympic, 3-day
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott)
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

In article <VoaLoB1w164w@valinor.mythical.com> judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz) writes:
>I hope this much-vaunted triplecast of the Olympics doesn't keep
>short-changing us horsey-types!!  The 2 1/2 hours of coverage we were
>supposed to get today of the first day of 3-day dressage lasted a
>whopping 55 minutes.  GGGRRRRRR!!!!!  

Don't feel bad - I've taped 8 hours worth of TV coverage (90% commercials, 5%
interviews, 4% chatter, 1% sports :-) and watched about 4 more hours in order
to catch < 30 seconds (not even a whole test - snort!) of actual riding.  They
did report the following placings:

	1. Matthias Baumann (GER)
	2. Karen Dixon (GBR)
	3. Mary Thomson (GBR)
	15. Stuart Black (CAN)
	26. Rob Stevenson (CAN)
	44. Nick Holmes-Smith (CAN)
	70. Rachel Hunter (CAN)

  Kind of a poor showing for the Canucks what :-}.  

  I've even had a hard time finding the results in the paper - the Toronto Star
  made *no* mention of equestrian results at all and yesterday (halfway through
  the dressage) the Toronto Sun printed interim results which made *no* sense
  (eg. Team results: 1. Britain 136pp .... 12. US 112pp :-)

  Anyway, this morning the Toronto Sun says after dressage:
	
	TEAM scores:                         

	1.  Britain    136.00pp              
	2.  Germany     148.00
	3.  France      165.80
	4.  New Zealand 166.60
	5.  Sweden      172.20
	6.  Australia
	7.  U.S.
	8.  Italy
	9.  Canada
	10. Netherlands
	11. Ireland
	12. Belgium
	13. Spain
	14. Japan
	15. Poland
	16. Unified Team
	17. Portugal


	INDIVIDUAL:
	
	1. Matthias Baumann - Alabaster               (GER) 43.80
	2. Ian Stark - Murphy Himself                 (GBR) 44.20
	3. Karen DIxon - Get Smart                    (GBR) 44.60
	4. Mary Thomson - King William                (GBR) 47.20
	5. Mark Todd - Welton Greylag                 (NZ)  47.40
	6. Marie-Christine Duroy - Quart Du Placineau (FRA) 48.20
	7. Nils Haagensen - Discovery                 (DNM) 48.80
	8. Mike Plumb - Adonis                        (US)  49.60
	9. Michael Bouquet - Newport                  (FRA) 49.80
	10. Willy Sneyers - Drum                      (BEL) 51.60

I'll post the results after endurance as soon as I can find 'em :-)

Sue Grocott

	
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From: lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rubber bands?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 13:27:13 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Jul24.170828.571@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:
MUCH DELETED
>
>Question for the rest of you:  I have four horses, two with manes that
>at least part of tries to stand up no matter what, and two whose manes
>are nicely manageable.  As I said, I have washed, conditioned, pulled,
>banded, used Pepi and Grand Champion spray, hooded, etc.  What do you
>do for manes like this?  I haven't tried hot-oil treatments yet.
>
>--Mary Lee Raines
>  Ravenswood Appaloosas
>  (And yes, my Appys do have manes and tails)
>
I used to have an Appy like that!! When I got him his mane was
cut off very short. I let it grow in for a while, but found that
it was easier, and looked nicer too, if I just cut it off completely.
He had a long beautiful tail though...and he would actually get
UPSET if I tried to cut that too short.

Good luck! There's nothing prettier that an APP!

Lorelei Horner                  UUNET Lead Operator
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From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Reply to Advice Neede: Vet Taking Advantage?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:49:18 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Liza
I know how you feel about being confrontational, and not wanting to get your personal
vet involved in suggesting resonable costs.  But actually, "resonable and customary"
costs for services from vets or other doctors (I'm a periodontist, hence my
familiarity with some of these rules and laws) is determined by the location of the
practioner, as well as the services rendered.  So why not call a couple of vets in
the area where you purchased Kinsale from (maybe the barn can give you some names)
and ask those vets what their costs would be and the approximate time that it would
take for them to perform the exam.  Then you could write a letter explaining to the
vet what you have found, and your dissatisfaction with his/her exam and results.  I
do not charge patients for "re-takes" on x-rays, and I don't really understand why
you should pay for x-rays that are unreadable.  The onus is then on the vet to persue
you for the additional payment, if you should choose to pay less than the full bill.
And chances are, the effort it would take to try and get you to pay more (especially
when you have information that shows his work was below an acceptable quality, and 
you are out of state) will be too great, and he will leave you alone.  

Good luck, and remember that you deserve to be satisfied with the services health
professionals render, just as much as other professionals.  So stick by your
convictions!

Jill and Bliss, the 4-yo wonder horse who today demonstrated flying lead changes
(both directions) that were effortless and a beauty to behold!
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder ~)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse for sale (south SF Bay Area)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:29:52 GMT
Reply-To: jsnyder@inews.UUCP (Sallijan Snyder)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Intel Corp., Design Technology Group, Santa Clara, CA


FOR SALE:       Lynn Crest Tamara (Tammy)
                MorAb mare (no papers)
                15 yo, 14.2hh, shiney brown w/star

Price:   	$650.00 (includes some gear)

Pluses:         sound and healthy
                goes English or Western 
                has gymkhana & jumping experience 
                  (according to previous owner)
                good ground manners--ties, picks up feet,
                  easy to worm and vet

Minuses:        Spooky on trails--will bolt when really frightened
                   (e.g. at powerboats/jetskis)
                Needs quiet, consistent work to get her to accept bit 
                   and respond with willing attitude

Recommend:      Intermediate rider with GOOD, quiet hands and calm seat,
                 and a certain amount of Patience... :-)

Comments:	I paid the same price for her 4 months ago, and she's a
		better horse than I bought, BUT...She does not meet my need
		for a sensible, reliable trail horse.  

See her at:	Calero Ranch Stables 
		23201 McKean Road, San Jose 
		(southern Santa Clara County)

Info/Appoint:	Please contact me via email, below work phone, or
		my home number (408) 629-5909.
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From: sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza)
Subject: Re: Olympic cross-country
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.194546.22720@sequent.com> pattyh@sequent.com (Patty Hansen) writes:
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>I saw the broadcast coverage of the cross-country portion of the
>three-day event last night.  Unfortunately, all the networks seems
>to think is fit to broadcast are the falls and crashes.  They didn't
>bother to tell us much about how the victims of those crashes fared
>afterwards.  There were two that were particularly disturbing.  One
>was a horse that fell trying to jump through the "hole in the bush"
>obstacle.  All they said was that the horse was down for half an
>hour, without saying what happened afterwards.  The other one wasn't
>a victim of a jump, but of the heat.  This poor horse barely
>crossed the finish line, and just stood there, trembling all over
>so badly that I wouldn't have been surprised to see him fall.
>
>Does anyone know how these horses are?  I don't have the triplecast
>(too expensive!), so all I get is the network stuff.  I guess
>there's some controversy over the heat, too.  Anyone?
>
>Patty


When I last heard, both the Russian horse (the one who went down) and
Sandscript were successfully revived and are recovering. Since I haven't
seen the show jumping tape yet, I'm not sure is Todd's horse recovered
in time to go stadium, but apparently the iv fluids and iceing brought
him back ok after x-c.
        Sandi

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:06:21 CDT


For all you so_experienced_I_don't_need_a_guide folks:

I've got a suggestion.....

Why don't y'all amble down to the local stable and offer your
services as a guide?  When I ran a rental stable, we were always
in need of safe riders to guide our trail rides.  Free riding     
privileges were more than a fair exchange. Goddess, people who
whine about their situation and expect somebody else to fix it
irritate me!

But to be honest, most of the rental clients were were not safe out by
themselves - and I don't care how many lessons or years experience
they had.  I've picked up one too many experienced rider that     
couldn't cope with a deer or stumble or whatever.  My reputation, 
business and method of supporting my family were at stake; that's 
too much to risk for the sake of a customers ego.  And, yes, we
required that our guides be curteous and pleasant.

My riding experience?  only about 30 years of everything from
competitive trail to eventing to dressage - and a bit of saddle
seat in between.  You see an awful lot of nonsense in that amount
of time.


-maureen 

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: more on donkeys
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:38:02 GMT

First, a brag on our 5 year old jenny.  Our annual all horse Parade
in Lakeport this year had a theme of cartoon characters.  My
daughter (4 ) wanted to go as Beauty and the Beast.  I ended up
making a sheepskin mask for our donkey complete with horns and tusks
that completely comvered her head and had two eye-holes.  She made
no objection to this and I could only figure that she thought it
some sort of strange fly mask.  Anyway, it really looked like the
cartoon character of the beast and everyone was laughing along the
parade route.  We got two awards!

Our donkey gets along quite well with the horse and pony though is
separated now because I think she is pregnant.  I paid $70 for her
and spend a lot of time gentling her.

My neighbor just bought an adorable 4 year old gelding for $80-he is
quite gentle though not ridable yet and a very pretty grulla color.

You can also buy BLM donkeys for $75 in North Califonria.

Down the road some folks have two donkeys they are giving away
free-that gives you some range.

Probably the most important thing to remember is that their systems
con't deal well with rich food.  Don't feed alfalfa.

This weekend I was down in the Bay Area and we went to Phipps ranch
in Pescadero.  They have a barnyard donkey and I was really upset to
see him (extremely fat) munching away on alfalfa.  His feet are so
deformed and cracked I am going to call down to the Animal Control
and have them check it out (Marsha Jo, have you seen this donkey?)

Also, on the subject, Russ Wycoff in Lower Lake is still breeding
hinnies.  His oldest has been trained and he is currently trail
riding him.  He has a Tennessee Walking Horse stallion that has
grown up with all these Mammoth Jennies and he claims this is the
only way that a stallion will consider breeding a donkey!  He is
hoping to end up with gaited hinnies!

Our jenny also pulls our cart-though very slow compared to our pony
that can really trot out!

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: RE: Rubber bands?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.074039.3075@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Jul23.170415.8882@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
|> > Banding manes down to make them lie flat against the horses neck is a must
|> > at AQHA shows in halter and western events.  It is not required in the rules,
|> > but for appearances sake, you better do it, just as you wash and clip to
|> > look good in the ring.
|> > 
|> 
|> I think it looks silly.  Properly pulled mane DOES lay flat, the horse we
|> were showing looked just fine without the bands.
|> 
|> And the judge we were showing for said they were REQUIRED!
|> 
|> This was an open show, some of the horses in the Western classes were Paints,
|> some were Appaloosas and at least one was Arab.  Arabs show with full mane
|> and the rubber bands are forbidden according to their breed standard.
|> 
|> Sue
|> 
|> > Some open show associations, such as Tri-State Rmost do it to look good.
|> > 
|> > Leigh
|> > that band manes. Again, it is not required, but your horse looks
|> >  


Sue, you're going to have to come visit and properly pull Teddy's mane.
The most I can usually hope for (after washing, conditioning, banding, etc) 
is to get it to almost, sort-of, lie flat for a day or two.  The best it
has been was when the trainer did it (almost down for two days) and
when I put a hood on him for a couple days (actually did lie down for two
or three days), but I don't want to risk rubbing the hair out by using
the hood too much.  Teddy's cowlick starts about halfway down the mane
(about the same as Raven's).  

Question for the rest of you:  I have four horses, two with manes that
at least part of tries to stand up no matter what, and two whose manes
are nicely manageable.  As I said, I have washed, conditioned, pulled,
banded, used Pepi and Grand Champion spray, hooded, etc.  What do you
do for manes like this?  I haven't tried hot-oil treatments yet.

Unrelated question (no pun intended):  I just read that colts out of the same 
mare but with unrelated fathers are half-brothers, but that colts by the same
stallion out of unrelated mares aren't supposed to be called half-brothers.
(That's pretty much all there was--it was a letter to the editor of a
magazine called Horse & Rider, which recently replaced Horseman magazine.)
So, what are they supposed to be called?

--Mary Lee Raines
  Ravenswood Appaloosas
  (And yes, my Appys do have manes and tails)



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From: liberk@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Katherine Libertucci)
Subject: North Atlantic Buckskin Assoc
Reply-To: liberk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:50:04 GMT

	Can anyone out there give me the address of this assoc?. My pride and
joy, High Chaparral, passed away and he was NABA High point trail horse of the
year in the late 70's. I wanted to establish a class in his honor and donate a
perpetual trophy.
	It has been quite afew years since I have been active with the shows
and I cannot seem to locate the address. I seem to remember the person that
was in charge was Lyn Coffie?.
	I would appreciate any information.
Thanks in advance



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From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Home trials
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:48:49 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO


In article <1992Jul29.173800.6117@morrow.stanford.edu>, AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>>One point I insisted on was a "home trial" of Reggie before I bought
>>him.  The owners were willing to do this as was the owner of my second
>>choice horse.  I am curious what others on the net -- especially breeders --
>>think about a home trial.  Mine was for two weeks and we wrote up a very
>>specific contract before he left his original home.
>>


> In terms of SENDING a horse on trial, you must sympathize with the
> owner's dilemma: 

[stuff deleted]
               
-- I'll never forget sending a
> nice horse away for 2 weeks and having him returned a frightened
> stopper. It felt like the people were saying, "Now that we've broken
> him we don't want him anymore." He was never quite the same.
> 
> I understand the desire to try a horse before buying it, but the
> risk that the owner or agent takes is tremendous.
> 
> -gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu

	I agree. I too, being in the sellers shoes, trusted a buyer to
	take my horse on a 'home trial basis'. She kept the horse for about
	2 weeks and when I got her back, she was a whole 'nuther horse.
	I heard tales of how she had gone to shows she knew I would not
	be at and ran my horse on barrels 30 + times until she was asked
	(for the horses benefit) to leave. She hauled my horse with no
	shipping boots and her legs were all banged up, her hooves even
	had paint on them, the same color as her interior trailer paint.
	She was a very friendly easygoing woman, and we were fooled by
	her. We don't trust anyone anymore. We work hard to ensure we
	have a good reputation, and a buyer is more than welcome to come
	by and see a potential purchase anytime; but once you pull it out
	of our driveway, it's yours.

	Just my $0.02.
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rubber bands?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:02:57 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul27.220042.3118@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.182809.13570@hubcap.clemson.edu>, sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul24.074039.3075@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul23.170415.8882@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>>> Banding manes down to make them lie flat against the horses neck is a must
>>>> at AQHA shows in halter and western events.  It is not required in the rules,
>>>> but for appearances sake, you better do it, just as you wash and clip to
>>>> look good in the ring.
>>>> 
>> 
>> Help me on this one ... I'm having a really rough time visualizing how
>> putting rubber bands on a (non-braided) mane makes it lie flat !!!!! Can
>> anyone supply a description of the process?
>>            Sandi
>> 
> 
> It's hard to describe, it's some kind of mechanical thing that puts the
> bands on.  They are very small bands, put on very small hanks of hair, and
> right at the roots.  It's done at an angle so the the hair is pulled slightly
> to the side. Anyway, it does keep the hair from standing up along the crest.
> 
> Sue

We use "Braidettes", the same kind of tiny bands used for english braids to 
band manes.  These are put on by hand at the root of a small chunk of mane.
You have to pull the underside of the mane chunk tight to make the mane lie
flat.  Otherwise, the banded mane will still stick up.  This takes practice
and is a pain in the a** to do.  I've never tried the banding "machines".
The bands are plastic and don't look as nice.

Leigh
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