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From: tait@uts.amdahl.com (Tait Kirkham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Draft stuff
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:10:19 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1iid7vINNqpm@hpscit.sc.hp.com> buds@hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com (Bud Sloan) writes:
>Leo James (lej@pdn.paradyne.com) wrote:
>
>: After the total domination of the 'Canes in the Sugar Bowl (but
>: admittedly, before the combine workouts) does the net feel that
>: there is a chance that either  Eric Curry or John Copeland will
>: be available at the 6th overall pick  (Tampa Bay's)?   I assume 
>: that Marvin Jones will be long gone by then.
>
>
>My prediction:  Seattle will know what New England is going to do
>BEFORE draft day.  Most times the #1 pick is signed prior to draft
>day.  If Drew Bledsoe does NOT go to New England, and I understand
>the Pats are probably going for defense, the Seahawks will take him.
>If he goes to New England then Seattle will trade DOWN a few slots
>and hope that Lincoln Kennedy is available.


I'll say this, if Seattle drafts another QB this high in the first
round they should have their head examined.  How many times are 
they going to do that? You have to give Mcguire a chance.  
Seattle should trade the pick for multiple picks.  They need the help.


Tait
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Bills were LUCKY!!!!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 07:58:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.155118.22249@advtech.uswest.com> steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = (james e kist) writes:
>
>>Let's not forget the bad call against Bruce Smith for a legitimate tackle
>>of Warren Moon. 
>
>C'mon.  He could've just run INTO Moon from his momentum; but Smith
>bashed Moon head-first, hard, into the ground.
>

Wrong in a BIG way!!  Did you SEE the play? Watch it again if you can.
Smith was in the air (i.e. both feet off the ground) as he was diving at
the QB around a blocker. Basically doing his job, trying to get in the QB's
face for a sack or at least to break up the pass.  Now get a mechanical
engineer to figure out for you what will happen with Smith's hands on Moon's
shoulder's, feet off the ground, Moon just releasing a pass.  Think mass,
centroid, torque, momentum, etc.  What I saw was the two of them  falling,
Smith back and Moon forward. The reason Moon's head hit the ground first
was pure physics. Smith is a great player, but come on, even he can't
"bash" Moon head first while he's in the air. His momentum was taking
him up in the air, while Moon's momentum was forward through the pass.

>Smith knew he'd screwed up, and so did his coach.  That wasn't a
>"legitimate tackle"; that was unnecessary roughness.

No again. They both knew that they'd been screwed again. But they're used 
to ref's not being able to follow the speed and agility of Smith.
The ref just instantly reacted because it "looked like" roughness.

The announcer was also quite annoying, saying Smith could have let up,
even after the third replay.  I kept thinking, stop talking long enough 
to look at your monitor, you idiot. You try making an acrobatic dive at the
QB while being blocked, grab the QB almost before the pass is off, and then
"decide to let up" while your only connection to the ground is through
the QB's shoulders!  I understand the ref not seeing everything, but I hate
unobservant commentators. Then during a later series, after seeing Smith 
run straight into Moon and smash him to the ground, in a much more
traditional tackle, the guy says something like: "See, now that was his 
momentum. He couldn't help that, unlike the earlier play." 


>
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From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:53:35 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <schnitzi.726784345@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>
>It would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.  You Cowboy fans
>must be proud of little Ray here.

Whatsa matter, Marky Mark, can't take a loss??  You were one
of the biggest Philly woofers around BEFORE the game(s)!  At
least I'm dealing with what HAPPENED, not what's GOING TO
HAPPEN!!  You bEagle fans on the net are all alike, BIG MOUTHS
before the game, little wimps after your team gets their little
green asses kicked!

I'll tell you what's pathetic:  The bEagles score a consolation
TD with 50 seconds left in the game.  Now, they're only behind
by 3 TD's and a FG with no hope for "tomorrow".  They're WR
gets penalized for "excessive celebration"!!  That's pathetic,
but typical, oh so typical of the Eagles and their fans!!



Ray      GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Re: Whose fans are most frustrated?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:44:44 GMT



At this particular moment, I'd have to say it's Bears fans.

G'bye, Mike  :-(
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From: nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: The More Thing Change ...
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:48:03 GMT

>>It is odd that the dominant teams of the 70s are resurging; meanwhile many teams
>>who were bad in the 70's and 80's still stink.
>>
>>Nix

>HUH!??? You must have a memory relaspe here. :-) The 70's belonged to
>the Steelers and the 80's to the Niners. Beg your pardon, but these
>two teams are still in it in 1993, re: the '90s. The 'Boys had a
>share of the '70's and they also are in the "thick" of it.

You must have an English relapse here.  I said the teams of the 70's are
resurging, which means they are becoming strong again (ie. Pitt, Dall, Mia).
Add to that the Vikings.  It looks like the Raiders are missing the party.

Nix
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOL - Misc Info
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:43:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1993Jan7.233121.24376@colorado.edu> davewood@piper.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>4. I graduate in May and will not be running the pool next year.  Thanks,
>   its been fun.
>5. Sorry the last 5 weeks were so weak on my part.


I don't have a problem with how you've ran things David.  I enjoyed
it too and I think you did a great job.  Hope someone else picks
this thing up next year.


KB

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From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:05:38 GMT

In article <1itgs2INN4lg@hpscit.sc.hp.com> buds@hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com (Bud Sloan)  
writes:

> Seattle has DEFINITELY been.  Don't have the exact year in front of me,
> but it was a couple of years after Chuck Knox became head coach.  They
> BEAT Miami but lost to the Raiders.
 
I believe it was the 1983-84 season.
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF)
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:11:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.021942.1463@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
>Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF)
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:19:42 GMT
>In article <1993Jan11.223905.13840@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>[ other ranting deleted ]
>
>>And to J. Gloria, the man with two gutless predictions for this weeks
>>game.  Either 35-31 Cowboys or 37-17 49ers?  Don't stick your fucking
>>neck out too far.  This only shows how much you fear the Cowboys, and
>>believe me, you should.
>>
>Gee Richard, had too much sugar or caffeine today or the
>opposite, not enough? Surely you must be jesting with me.
>My predictions were done in jest/humor. I guess I forgot to
>insert the :-) or :^). I know you must be scared because you
>used the "f" word. It reflects a sign of fear/insecurity.
>I being the MANLY MAN that I am will will NOT reply with such
>immature statements! :^) I have repented and vowed never to
>use vulgarities/name calling again. My net.love, ALN, has 
>changed my ways. :^)

See, real woman can tame ANY BEAST! :-)

JPG, YOU ARE A SICK PUPPY.  Please leave my initials out of your posts.  I 
am a net.lady! You are net.scoundrel. 

REALITY CHECK - Remember YOU ARE on the WEST COAST! I AM ON THE EAST COAST! 

Glad you repented, but you still havent apologized for saying Giants fans 
dont have access to the FBG's.

You always side with caution and the Vegas line.  OOOOOh arent we daring!
I'll take the Cowboys over SF.  Why?  THEY ARE HUNGRY!  The Defense is 
psyched!  Young's playoff posture looks like garbage so far.

Wanna make a little bet? :-)  Naaaaa, NEVER MIND.... ;-)
Adriene
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From: me@a81 (A.A. (Tony) Briggs)
Subject: Re: SON OF CRAP FOOTBALL!  (please, no more)
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:31:16 GMT


Again I suggest that no one respond to Hamish, ever.

Clearly he's just baiting people. And clearly he is a master baiter.

Tony
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:25:06 GMT
	<1ihgokINNr08@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 7-Jan-93 Re: My NFL
Playoff Predictions Timothy B. Reynolds@dino (517)

> In article <cfGynPW00WDKM3Omwb@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon
> <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>  >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 6-Jan-93 Re: My NFL
>  >Playoff Predictions 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (2408)  

>  >the "shitty" teams they played. SF, Washington and Dallas all lost to 
>  >Phoenix (SD beat Phoenix), Miami and Buffalo lost to Indianapolis (SD

> BUZZZZZZT ! wrong
> The Cowboys swept the Cards this year.

yes, my apologies to the 'Chip fans, they lost to the Rams, not the
Cardinals. Sorry folks, wrong shitty team! :)

--Vernon.
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Young VS. Montana (My Thoughts)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:52:29 GMT

athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>In article <1993Jan12.211303.23570@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen
>Warren) wrote:
>> >All I can say is: remember the Colts and the Jets?  The Colts had Unitis
>> >warming the bench, perfectly healthy because his replacement was MVP.  The
>> >Colts lost too.
>> 
>> Unitas played in that Super Bowl.  Yes, he did NOT start, but he still played
>> and the Colts still lost.  Unitas could not pull off another miracle that day,
>> but he DID play.

>He was put in way, way too late.  For all intents, he was not playing that
>game.


He was put in midway through the 3rd quarter.  I don't consider that as being
too late.  Look at what Reich did for Buffalo.  Too late is being down by 21
with only 2:00 to go in the game, not being down by one touchdown with a 
quarter and a half to play.

allen
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Eagles thrashed! Ha Ha Ha! Go Boyz!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:13:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.204712.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> asif@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>From: asif@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
>Subject: Eagles thrashed! Ha Ha Ha! Go Boyz!
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:47:12 GMT
>Eagles wings clipped
>====================
>
>Alas! The wings have been clipped. "I am back scrambling" became "I am scared
>fumbling". Ha, Ha! 34 - 10, I love it. Eat your word Andre Waters, Emmitt Smith
>115 yards, 1 TD! Ha, Ha. 10 total yards in 2nd and 3rd quarter, oh my god! What
>happened to the iron mighty defense, Tennel, Gainer, who are these folks
>scoring touchdowns!!!!!
>I loved every moment of it. Eagle thrashing at my best! I hate the eagles, sit
>back and watch the games now , you folks are done for the season. Ha ha ha ha
>ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So whats green and lays on his back like a turtle, with the football in 
his hand saying "I'm SACKED and cant throw the BALL"....

Woofing rights to the Boyz!

ALN
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC Championship: my two cents
Keywords: SF Niners Dallas Cowboys
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:30:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan11.223019.4782
Followup-To: Predictions...
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

rec.sport.football.pro \rek-dot-sport-dot-futbol-dot-pro\ n (19??)  1: A
textual forum for any bloak who can afford (or is lucky enough to get free)
access to the Internet, Usenet, or some other qualifying net to discuss
topics that are in some way related to professional football.

Based on this definition, I'll take my turn on NFC championship Sunday:

Dallas at San Francisco - Couldn't ask for a better game, and with all of the
NFC chips on the table.  Two different teams, but neither has many
weaknesses.  Noted disparities:

	Lin Elliot is an excellent kicker, Mike Cofer is not dependable.
	Dallas pash rush plays 60 minutes, SF pash rush plays a tough 4th qtr.
	Dallas made few mistakes this week, SF made many (Mr. Young's, mostly)

Both the kicking games and pass rushers are likely to be negatively
affected by the "bog" that is Candlestick Park.  Steve Young made enough
errors last week to last an entire off-season...perhaps he has them out of
his system.  The Cowboys will undoubtedly find it harder to play mistake
free at the 'stick in its current condition (which the Niners must be
getting used to).  SF fans have learned to make some noise, which may
provide definition to home field advantage.  The most schooled offense in
the short passing game will have to rely on short passes much of the day.

Chuck Haley will try to hurt someone.  Dallas is a better running team
than the Niners have been stuffing all year long, and more yards will
thusly be gained by Mr. Smith than the Niners are used to allowing. 
Troy Aikman is effective at the short passing game, which will be a
requirement for victory.  Dallas is confident.

This game will be close throughout...Niners by 3.
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:33:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205322.5809@lgc.com>, ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)  
        writes...
>In article <C0GB3L.5A9@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
 writes:
>>Here is a Category-wise list of Team of Frustrations. Corrections
>>are welcome from fans of other teams and I will post a revised list.
>>
>>A) HAVE BEEN TO THE SUPER-BOWL BUT NEVER WON IT
>>------------------------------------------------
>>1) Vikes ... 0-4  
>>2) Broncos   0-4
>>3) Bengals   0-2
>>4) Bills     0-2
>>5) Patriots  0-1
>>6) Rams      0-1
>>7) Eagles    0-1
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>Categories below are teams who have never even been to a Super Bowl
>>B) HAVE NEVER WON A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>1) Browns    0-2
It should 0-3 since Cleveland lost the 1989-90 championship at Denver in 
addition to the more famous 1986-87 and 1987-88 games.

>>2) Oilers    0-1
The Oilers are 0-2 in conference championships since they lost both the 1978-79 
and 79-80 AFC Championships to Pittsburgh.

>>3) Lions     0-1
>>4)Additions are welcome
> 4) Seattle   0-2
(It should be 0-1 since we are dealing with conference championship games.
>    Loss the 1982-83 AFC Conference game to the Raiders
>    Loss the 1983-84 AFC Conference game to the Dolphins
> 5) Tampa Bay 0-1 at least
>    Loss NFC Conference game to the L.A. Rams the year the Rams went to
>    the SB
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>1) Saints     0-3
>>
As said earlier, all teams have made it to the playoffs at some time.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: A PHONE MESSAGE FROM DON BOELL, Neanderthal Man
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  7 JAN 93 11:46:46    

In article <1993Jan7.143601.14899@bmw.mayo.edu>, bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson) writes...

>This is what I must deal with.  Need I say anything more????
>Just give it up Donny boy.  Or are your airborne friends from St. Paul going
>to kill me.......

Chad, nobody cares.

JGH
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Domes suck
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:25:20 GMT

With the removal of New Orleans, Minnesota, and Houston from the playoffs, it 
seems that the Super Bowl's unblemished record (no dome teams) will survive 
another year (No Dallas does not count as a dome team).  I must admitt I was a 
bit worried this year.

Football is not an indoor sport.

Paul
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:56:33 GMT

In article <27000201@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>From bergerson@cvdv79.mrgate.vaxdev.umc Tue Jan  5 05:34 PST 1993
>>
>
>I'd enjoy seeing you 'in my face'.  I'm 6'2", 250 Lbs.  I spent 5 years in
>the 82nd Airborne (The All Americans).  I can mess you up in ways you have
>never thought of.  Don't screw with me anymore.  I've got a couple good
>friends up in St. Paul who owe me a favor or two.  One more e-mail from
>you and your liable to wind up in a snow drift on your way home from work
>one night.  Or, if you'd rather, you can fly out to Fremont CA and I'll 
>take care of this in person.

oops....I thought this was a Dallas/Philly exchange medium...my fault...please
 continue...didn't mean to interrupt...

oh..by the way...Riddick Bowe lives 3 miles from me...want a title shot?
All I want is %10 of the pot.

>ps - merry xmas and have a happy new year

uh..you too, Don.. :-)

Mario
Disclaimer -- "The above statements were made by someone who is psychologically
               ill.  Please disregard all statements...ok..only a couple of
	       statements (I was serious about the Bowe title match)."


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From: rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Hamish
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:38:12 GMT

Why don't you go suck some cock, with the rest of the 
120 pound AIDS stricken homo's who play soccer.

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: My predictions
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:48:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Ok, I've never done this, but I'm going to now.  If I'm wrong, I really
>won't have a reason to read this group until next season anyway :^)
>
>Dallas  24 
>Philly  10

Ok, I guess I underestimated the Cowboys.


			-Ron
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From: rocko@ireland.Berkeley.EDU (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Saints humor, & Rush Limbaugh (UGH!)
Reply-To: rocko@ireland.Berkeley.EDU (Rick O'leary)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:05:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.232105.1299@altair.selu.edu>, scsd1055@altair.selu.edu writes:
|> 	In today's edition of the Times-Picayune, in the editorial
|> section, there is a cartoon that made me roll.
|> 
|> 	A picture of a large Saints player carrying a monkey on his back.
|> The monkey has a bag over his head.  Two Saints fans with 'CHANG CHING' &
|> 'WHO DAT' shirts comment -- "Man, things are really getting bad...even
|> the monkey's wearing a bag on his head..."
|> 
|> 	I thought it was rather humorous.
|> 
|> 	On another note...not very humourous.  Did anyone see Rush "the fat
|> ass" Limbaugh's tribute to the Houston Oilers?  He had a prepped segment
|> showing all the 2nd half touchdowns scored by the Bills on the Oillers
|> while playing the Oilers fight song at warped speeds (fast, then slow, then
|> fast, then pitifully slow until the song finally ground down to nothing).
|> I thought it was, as is par for Mr. Limbaugh, rather tacky and assinine!
|> But, if you're a Bills fan I guess you loved it (which I'm not).
|> 
|> Bill Plunkett,
|> - Geaux Saints (I typed that slowly and painfully)
|> - Hey, we Saints fans can still have a sense of humor.

Steeler fan alert !!!!!!!!!


Rush is a Steeler fan.  All Steeler fans were overjoyed at the humiliating
loss in "Chip-ville".  We beat the Oilstains.  We owe the Buff-Chips.

Rocko
"same cute sig as before"
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