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From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Questions (spoilers)
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:26:33 GMT

spoilers ahead...










Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here... <jblum@hamlet.umd.edu> writes:
>"...Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was changed... took the entir
>arm off..."
>
>Remember the one-armed man saying that?  Originally we took it to mean that
>MIKE had repented of the killings, cut off his arm (separating himself from
>the LMFAP), and tracked BOB to Twin Peaks.
>
>The movie seems to tell a different story.

Now, this is a *very* interesting idea.  We always assumed that the OAM
was trying to help Cooper and Co.  What if he was actually trying to
lead them astray?  When Gordon comes to TP, Hawk has just brought the OAM
back in for questioning, and he doesn't look to happy about it.  Recall
when Ben Horne walks into the room with the OAM at the Great Northern an
the OAM collapses?  How we all thought that meant that BOB had been in
Ben at some point?  What if it was a ruse to throw Cooper off track?

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From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: TP:FWWM- (Spoilers)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:27:39 GMT







(gonna space ahead)


















Okay, Spoilers follow.


I just want to see if my reasoning re: why Leland drove into the gas station
after the OAM encounter.  Laura said "What's that smell?" which is probably the
scorched engine oil.  Leland drove into the gas station so that the smell
wouldn't seem unusual.  Right?   Just checking my head.


Also, Gerard's tactics are a bit unusual.  In the TV series, when MIKE was
explaining his mission ("To find BOB."  "To _stop_ him!") it seemed he would do
anything to accomplish it. 
	In the movie, he could have jumped out of his truck and done something
to Leland, but he didn't.  Perhaps he is unable to intervene physically, and
can only give warning.  Maybe after he failed to prevent LP's murder, he became
more determined to stop BOB, thus setting up his later fanaticism.

	I just thought of something.  If MIKE was trying to tell LP over the
sound of the engine "It's your father," then how come he didn't go after Leland
in the TV show?  He could have thought that BOB switched hosts, but he never
even went after Leland.

I hope these thoughts made sense.

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
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From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Another FWWM trailer
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:44:51 GMT

Forgot to mention what looked like another trailer.  Back during Cannes
E! ran a special and aired some scenes from what looked like a trailer.
It started off with the FWWM theme with shots of Waldo, Laura, James,
Bobby, etc., then an screeching starts up that increases in volume as
we cut to Mrs. Tremond in the dream in the room beckoning us to come
closer.  The screeching stops and The Pink Room starts up with more
scenes and that's all they showed.  Just wondering if anyone's seen this
one...

ed


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From: nad@cray.com (Ned Deily)
Subject: Re: Robert Engels at the Mpls premiere of FWWM (a spoiler or two--nothing big)
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:40:21 CDT

In article <la5eh7INNsam@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>  What Robert Engels said was that Kyle did not want to become another  
>"James T. Kirk" -- which he quickly pointed out DIDN'T happen to every actor,  
>and gave another example which was lost in the recesses of my memory soon  
>afterwards, but it was convincing enough anyway.
   His example was Sean Connery (i.e. there was life after 007).

Ned
From: jgp@zodmate.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: IGNORING ME???
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:22:59 GMT

z_woodsjl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"

In the last episode, she chained herself to the vault door of the
Twin Peaks Savings and Loan as a form of civil disobedience to
protest the S&L's involvement in the Ghostwood project.  Andrew
Packard and Pete Martell then came to open the safety deposit
box matching the key left by Thomas Eckhardt.  The box contained
a bomb which exploded.  Audrey, Pete, and Andrew are presumed
dead (the explosion blew out the windows of the building and
we saw the banker's glasses and dollar bills floating in the air),
but me may never know for sure.

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From: WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias)
Subject: FWWM: Soundtrack available?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:00:55 GMT
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Dear fellows,

does somebody of you know if there's a soundtrack of FWWM available?

I really liked the music - especially in this canadian club...

Greetings from Germany... Matthias
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: SW Washington?
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:21:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <a98hawegoih@soda> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu writes:

>> TP is located in NEWashington.  how does this work out?  was
>> leland visiting theresa in SW?  or did TB later move to the SW
>> before leland visited her?

>Explained by the simple line from the movie, when Theresa asks Leland,
>"So, when's the next business trip?"

>  -J.

sure, but bring laura and ronette all the way out?  or bring theresa
back to twin peaks?  and why the deputy?

sj		-don't treat the earth like it was dirt-
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Wood, plastic, floating
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:05:22 GMT

Adam Goldberg suggested the "aliens" imprison people in wood. Interesting
thought. It would explain our last sight of Josie, her face superimposed
on some part of piece of wooden furniture (handle? pull? something). I
never could figure out that image.

I now realize that I missed in FWWM all the wood that was in TP - maybe
because there were no shots in the Great Northern.

All these recent postings have covered about everything I myself was
going to say -- FWWM you either hate it or love it, apparently. One
odd thing -- my perception of the Palmer's house in FWWM was that it
was MUCH SMALLER INSIDE than in TP. The livingroom with that screen
behind the sofa, the same room where Leland killed Maddie, etc. etc.
seemed about half the size in FWWM. Of course the lighting and, as
someone else pointed out, the graininess of the film was entirely
different in FWWM -- at some points it seemed almost like amateur
photography to me. So the perceived difference of the size of the
rooms in the Palmer house coudl have been a factor of that. But I
wonder if that interior set really WAS smaller than in TP?  One of
Lynch's subtle and sly effects?

Another point: After killing LP in a train car that appeared to be
nowhere near water, why didnt LeBob just leave the body there? Why
go to the tremendous effort of wrapping it in a huge sheet of plastic,
transporting it however far it was to the river?  

REalistically, the plastic was open around her head, so the package
would have filled with water and sunk, not floated. However, the
scene of the plastic-wrapped body floating down the river was a
great shot. It triggered something about Elaine the Lily Maid in
Morte de'Arthur, floating downstream. I've forgotten the details,
is anyone up on this? And I'm wondering if that's where Lynch drew
the imagery for that from?

Lou

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Summary: Will there be more?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:28:50 GMT


This is my first post to the newsgroup - please excuse any breaches of
netiquitte.

I saw FWWM last night.  Definitely gave me the heebie-jeebies (which is,
of course, the scientific term for "distburbed the hell out of me").
If I were writing a formal review, I would strongly recommend that
those who did not follow the series should not see the film.  They
will be confused, bewildered, and not just a little bothered by what
they see.  Of course, I would strongly recommend that Twin Peaks
fans go see the movie ASAP - for exactly the same reasons.

In the Twin Peaks saga, we have now seen the beginning (FWWM) and
the middle (the TV series).  Will we see an end?  I certainly hope
so.  While part of the charm of Twin Peaks is the general confusion
and unanswered mysteries, I would love to see another film (or
films!) that continue the story and answer some of the questions 
that Lynch has posed.  Comments, anyone?

Just as an aside, the one line from film that really disturbed me
(for no apparent reason):  "The black dog runs at night.  The black
dog runs at night."   
 
                              Scott

P.S.  Never, *never* accept a framed photo of an empty room with
      a half-opened door from an old woman and a child in a mask.

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From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Subject: FWWM: box office news
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:11:02 GMT

From one of the clari newsgroups:

>	The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
>Northwest town.

Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.
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From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Wood, plastic, floating
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:24:36 GMT

spoilers ahead...









<crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu> writes:
>All these recent postings have covered about everything I myself was
>going to say -- FWWM you either hate it or love it, apparently. One
>odd thing -- my perception of the Palmer's house in FWWM was that it
>was MUCH SMALLER INSIDE than in TP. The livingroom with that screen
>behind the sofa, the same room where Leland killed Maddie, etc. etc.
>seemed about half the size in FWWM. Of course the lighting and, as
>someone else pointed out, the graininess of the film was entirely
>different in FWWM -- at some points it seemed almost like amateur
>photography to me. So the perceived difference of the size of the
>rooms in the Palmer house coudl have been a factor of that. But I
>wonder if that interior set really WAS smaller than in TP?  One of
>Lynch's subtle and sly effects?

I noticed the same thing myself, but I'm not sure if it is really a
different set, or that I just haven't watched my tapes lately.  I'm
planning on seeing FWWM again on Thursday (if it's still in town...)
and will watch my tapes beforehand to see if I can notice a difference
in the set.  I'm also going to do the same for the furniture in the
Black Lodge.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:17:17 EDT
From: <DSF105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Explaining Peaks to the uninitiated...?
Distribution: usa

People:

    I'm posting this in spite of the fact that it's the
28th, in answer to the post I'm responding to.  (I don't
know how to do the direct-quoting thing.)

    You were asking whether the movie will be too intense
for someone not already a Lynch fan.  Well, based on a
Good Morning America interview I saw today with Lynch &
Kyle, I'd say. . . YES.  The interviewer--I don't know her
or any of those people--began a question like this:

     "Now, there's a lot of sex in this this movie.
   There's a lot of violence as well.  There's a lot
   of *sexual* violence in this movie. . . do you
   expect to take some heat for this?"

    Lynch brushed it off with a joke, but I went <gulp>.
I've seen Blue Velvet and Wild at Heart, but my girlfriend
hasn't.  I don't know if it'll be much of a "date" movie
for people who don't know what to expect.  Well, we'll
see tonight.

    Whatever it's like, it's going to be wild--I have no
doubts about that.

                           --- dsf105 @ psuvm.psu.edu
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Reasons why Teresa, Laura and Maddy were killed (was re: 2nd viewing)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:12:23 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 02:08:00 GMT


Here be spoilers...


In article <BtzCM0.G47@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

	No, I'd agree that BOB doesn't kill just for fun...  but he's "eager
	for fun..." so I'd guess that's a large part of it - he kills for
	the garmonbozia, obviously...  And the One-Armed Man/Little Man From
	Another Place DON'T kill for the same reason: because the
	garmonbozia is addictive, and the OAM has broken the addiction,
	"I took off the arm..."  after "...I saw the face of God..."

But, it's not clear that the OAM's story of salvation is true or just
a ruse.

	Anyway, I am not quite sure why Leland/BOB kills Teresa, but 
	the blackmailing Leland angle is a good one... but why would
	BOB care if Leland was being blackmailed?  It's no big deal to
	him/it.  

He might have wanted to keep using Leland as a vessel, so that any
compromise of Leland's position might crimp his style.  Also, since
Leland represents his physical body, he might take any attack on or
threat to Leland personally.  He only abandoned Leland in the series
when he had been discovered and Leland was useless to him.

		       BOB gets Laura's garmonbozia, which he must split
	with OAM/LMFAP (because they were once partners... a pre-existing
	deal or one of the rules of the Lodge people?)...

Or an indication that Mike was lying about giving up his killing ways.

							 Remember the
	episode which opened with Leland's interrogation for the murder
	of Jaques Renault?  That long track throuh a dark cavernous
	region with Owls hooting, girls (Laura... Maddy?) screaming,
	and little voices coaxingly chanting "Maddy... Maddy... Maddy?
	Maddy..."  We realize that the track has been out from a slot
	wall in the interrogation room, but on another level, we've been
	given admittance to Leland's own head... 

I think the voice was saying ``Daddy'' and represented Laura's voice.
There were other indications in the series that Laura may have been
seeking help beyond the grave.  In either the pilot or another early
episode, there is a pan of the TP mountains and a girl's voice, saying
very softly, ``Help.''  If these were from before Laura attained
Satori (perhaps with Cooper's help), these may represent her being
trapped in the purgatory of the Twin Peaks universe (the Black Lodge?
The Waiting Room?)

-30-
Bob
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From: drbenway@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Overload)
Subject: Fat Trout/Big Tuna
Originator: drbenway@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:47:52 GMT

     


     Lynch sure has a penchant for large fish...
From: benjy@benjy.cc.vt.edu (Ben E. Cline)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Possession
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:20:04 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech


Bob proves the old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the
law :-).

Benjy
Virginia Tech
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Angels (perhaps really reaching)
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<KWH.92Sep1121515@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU> <la87mmINNqfc@news.bbn.com>
	<1992Sep4.050141.4110@ttinews.tti.com>
	<KWH.92Sep4091042@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:25:19 GMT


Speaking of angels I found this in the quotes file:

Cooper:  But she wouldn't let them in.
Leland:  She said she'd die before she'd let them... so they made me kill her!
         Oh, God, have mercy on me!  What have I done!  What have I done!  Oh,
         God!  _I_love_her_!!  I love her, with all my heart!  My angel,
         forgive me....

Maybe this use of the word 'angel' means nothing, but the entire dialogue during
Leland's confession is quite informative.  It may help some (as it did me), to
go read it.

Kevin
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:04:38 GMT

Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!



















Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
>girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
>memory is way-screwed)

I don't remember seeing this scene in the movie.  Wouldn't BOB/Leland
had to have put the letters under Ronette and Laura's fingers *before*
Mike gets there?  As Ronette tries to open the door, BOB beats her,
then throws her outside and leaves her there.  Did he come back for the
finger perhaps?

>5] I will forever picture Lara Flynn Boyle as Donna.  Moira was too..
>innocent looking, whereas I pictured Donna as basically innocent, but not
>putting that image up. I think Moira did a good job, but it was a bit to
>inconsistent for me..

I liked the job that Moira did, but I agree that she seemed a bit too
innocent.  I would really have liked to seen Lara Flynn Boyle do the
part, but ah well...

>8] What was the significance of the pages that Leland ripped out of Laura;s
>diary?

If I recall rightly, Laura had written down who she thought BOB was on
those pages, althought this may just have been speculation from way back
when the series was on.

>10] Did Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
>not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
>have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..

No, I don't think he did.  BOB blocked all of Leland's memories of what
happened while BOB was inside him.  "Pulling the ripcord" was the term
that BOB used in the show.

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From: jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown)
Subject: FWWM Spoilers from behind the mask
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:51:57 GMT


I don't know if this is mentioned in the script or not, but noticed a
_very_ fascinating thing on my second trip to FWWM:

During the Phillip Jeffries scene, when watching the People from Another
Place (alien seems like such a lame tag for them), the young Tremont has
a mask which has been commented on extensively, and appears in other scenes.

Watch closely, though.  He holds the mask up, turns it to cover his
face, then turns it away again.  We get only a split-second view of his
face when he turns the mask away, but this time it is heavily bearded!
I think it was Mike, but I would love independent verification!  Are
Mike and the young Tremont the same?

Jeremy

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From: goldberg@iastate.edu (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Thoughts
Originator: goldberg@vincent1.iastate.edu
Keywords: FWWM
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:50:22 GMT

Ok people, I have been reading this group for 6 months, I went back and watched
all the episodes again, and saw the movie.  [I have a life?] and here are
my thoughts:

The mask that the "child" wears is indeed an owl mask.
It seems that whomever puts on the ring, dies.  
Mike can not physically stop Bob.  
That was Annie in bed with Laura.
Time runs backwards in the lodge.  Cooper's gunshot wound reappears and Annie
ends up in bed with Laura "before" she enters the lodge.
I whole heartedly agree with the addiction theme, remember that the old lady
said to Donna, "I don't eat creamed corn".  probably a reference to the fact
that she did not partake in the substance.
I think Catherine put the fish in the purculator as a prank for Pete/Josie
The white horse means someone is drugged, not death.
Bowie/Jefferies was definetely in "Time phase".  He witnessed a meeting 
of the "aliens" but escaped before he could be imprisoned in wood.
Wood is the aliens method of containment.
Now ...  Here's the big one...
I think Bob, Mike's familiar (owl) turned on Mike.  This is when Mike
realized the errors of his ways and cut off his arm (LMFAP).  He physically
cut off his arm as a symbol of his turning, so he could be sure that he
would never revert back to his old ways.  See, LMFAP seems to posess ARMS.
The arm goes dead, remember?  
So, LMFAP can no longer control any of Mike's actions, Mike has no arm LMFAP
can posess.  LMFAP need not posess Bob's arm, Bob already does dirty work
for him.  LMFAP is the one with the addiction.

I think I got that last one across.
I don't know whether the LMFAP PHYSICALLY posesses the arm of his minions
to insure their obedience, but this could be true as well.

Any responses desperately welcomed.

P.S. I think Jacques told Cooper what he actually BELIEVED happened.  He and
Leo argued so much, and there was So MUCH coke.







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From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Series videos and Twin Peaks fan clubs...
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:27:25 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

> many were in the complete series, anyway? And.... I am confused as to how
> many episodes make up an American TV series. 6? 13?

US TV doesn't work that way, it goes by seasons, typicly a season runs from 
fall to spring with reruns on all summer, but some shows start late or end 
early. TP had two seasons. The first started lat and had abt. 7 episodes and 
the second had abt 21.

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