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In <1992Nov17.184138.2543@midway.uchicago.edu> hcresnic@midway.uchicago.edu (hugh carney resnick) writes:

>In article <9211171220.AA03121@syrinx.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>>Someone who didn't bother putting their name at the bottom of their 
>>message wrote:
>>
>>>     There are many cases of musicians playing certain "characters" in
>>>     their songs that have little or no relation to their personalities
>>>     in real life.  For example, Peter Gabriel has a disturbing, haunting
>>>     song called "Family Snapshot," which tells a story in the first-person
>>>     tense of a political assassin, who waits with his gun for a famous
>>>     person to appear so that he can kill him.  He does this, he says, to
>>>     get some attention and to "be somebody."
>>
>>Well, sort of.
>>
>>The song is about a lonely little boy whose parents are approaching divorce.
>>The 'assasination' takes place in his mind, a game he plays, like "Cops 'n
>>Robbers" with his toy gun.  It's symbolic because Gabriel sees political
>>assasins as desperate for attention, which is precisely what the boy wants--
>>he wants his parents to pay attention to him instead of being so wrapped up
>>in their own problems.
>>
>>Jeff
>____
>	IMHO, it not just any assassin, it's none other than Lee Harvey
>Oswald. "The Governor's car is not far behind, he's not the one I've got
>in mind." Wait, maybe I'm wrong.... Any thoughts can be mailed to me, 'cause
>this isn't really a Katetopic.

>hugh

>P.S. Yes, this is my first post, thanks to all you Katefans out there for 
>-- 
>___________________________________________________________________
>	  Hugh C. Resnick (hcresnic@midway.uchicago.edu)
>"Is it my 500th birthday? Well, that's none of your Busnois."
>___________________________________________________________________

Actually, I think Gabriel wrote the song so that it could be interpreted in
a number of ways (kinda like Kate Herself!).  The above all sound reasonable
to me.  He probably had Oswald in mind when writing the images, but whether
he intended it to specifically portray Oswald is another matter. 
-- 
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:57:23 EST
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:53:39 -0500
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From: rjc@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.UK
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Subject: As Girl's Go
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In article , andrew david simchik (ads) writes:

ads> I still haven't sat down to determine if that's solely about
ads> CD's.  I have to listen closely and read carefully...it's so easy
ads> to misinterpret Suzanne Vega, as well!

I listened to it again today, lyrics in hand and I'm pretty convinced
it's about a transexual. 

	I really don't mind, which side of the line you're on
	at any one time.

[Or words to that effect, memory like a sieve]

Seems to indicate a more substantial line than the one CDs cross.

Also, the first person character seems far too worried/confused for
it to just be clothes.

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rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:11:17 EST
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:07:30 -0500
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From: REWOICC%ERENJ.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU (a virtual stranger)
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Subject:      Re: Song about dead lover?
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scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine) sez:
>I'm in need of a good song, lyrics, specifically, about a woman who is
>grieving for her dead lover.

well, "the wedding list" isn't exactly greiving for a dead lover, but
there are *some* parallels between what you want and what the song is
about. you'd probably want to avoid the later parts of the song though...

woj
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:30:42 EST
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:27:29 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: Gay/straight issue?
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In <24846.9211171641@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.UK writes:

>In article , andrew david simchik (ads) writes:

>In <9211161334.AA28993@relay2.UU.NET> LAUREN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU (Lauren Caulton) writes:

>ads> I'm bi myself, and I think it's just because we have good
>ads> taste.... ;)

>What a straight line...

>--
>rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk				_O_
>						 |<

Excuse me?  Was that intended as an insult?  That's how it was taken...

-- 
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*  a.k.a. Drewcifer     *  			No one else would!	   *							   *
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Subject: Re: Ticket off
From: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (S.P.Thomas)
Date: 14 Nov 92 13:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (Stephen Thomas)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.
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In article <1992Nov11.193714.11164@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Kate Bush ... would never denounce the thief.....shes 
>an incredibly leftwing anti-capitalist person.

Actually, I seem to recall Kate saying something about her views on
politics in the interview in the videos for The Sensual World (in the UK,
anyway.  I think the interview originally came from one she did for VH1).
She basically thought that politics never achieved anything, only actions
did.  Ron, could you drag out the bit I mean?

Anyway, from this, I think she is basically apolitical, and concentrates
her energies on much more constructive things (as she perhaps sees it).
Some may see this as a left-wing stance, although I can't see why.

Keep well,

Stephen
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:29:33 EST
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:26:11 -0500
Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.cogsci; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:42:59 +0000
From: rjc@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.UK
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Subject: Re: Gay/straight issue?
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In article , andrew david simchik (ads) writes:

In <9211161334.AA28993@relay2.UU.NET> LAUREN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU (Lauren Caulton) writes:

ads> I'm bi myself, and I think it's just because we have good
ads> taste.... ;)

What a straight line...

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk				_O_
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:53:24 EST
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:49:17 -0500
From: KROVETZ@cs.umass.EDU
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Subject: First Kate experience
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I first came across Kate on Saturday Night Live, and thought she was
"interesting".  A few years later a friend made me a copy of her first
three albums, and I became more interested in her work, although I can't
say I was really "hooked" yet.  I started reading usenet around 1984,
and noticed Doug Alan commenting about "The Dreaming", and shortly 
after that, "Hounds of Love" came out.  I bought HOL and that definitely
got me hooked.  Running Up That Hill is still my favorite Kate song.
I'd say the thing that really made me a fan was reading love-hounds
and learning the details about her songs.  Later on I picked up The
Dreaming on CD, then The Whole Story, and The Sensual World, and
finally the Box Set.  Listening to HOL and reading Love-Hounds also
made me go back to the earlier albums, and I enjoyed them even more
after knowing what the songs were about.  

Bob

krovetz@cs.umass.edu
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:19:56 EST
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:56:46 -0500
From: david@softwords.bc.ca (David Hume)
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Subject: When I Discovered The New World (of KaTeness)
Message-ID: <1992Nov23.195551.4007@softwords.bc.ca>
Keywords: First Time Heard Saw Kate
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I have MuchMusic here in Canada to thank... it was when "Hounds of Love"
came out, the very first I ever saw and heard was the RUTH video. I
remember thinking, "hmmm, neat song, and what an interesting way to 
interpret it thru modern dance" - somehow despite the fact she was not
actually singing I just knew/assumed the female dancer was Kate (this
unique approach probably impressed me too).

What hooked me into finally getting the album was the next video,
"Cloudbusting", still my favourite all time video, telling a story
as it did as well as being a wonderful song (I later took Peter Reich's
book out of the library too, so much a favourite is this tune). Of course
I was very impressed with the HoL album, especially the Ninth Wave concept
side (and this was before I even really knew what the concept was) - so
much better than mainstream stuff...

And perfect timing really, because the next album release was "The Whole
Story", which from a singles point of view exposed me to the body of her
whole work, thus I knew I had become a Kate fan, and went on from there...

And from there, I have THIS GROUP to thank for, besides learning more
about Kate and meeting some great people at a Katemas, getting me to discover
Tori (Little Earthquakes *easily* my favourite album of the last year) as 
well as trying out Happy and hearing some other names I must attempt soon.
And of course when I realized people liked Sarah and Loreena too, I knew
I'd found some kindred spirits  :-> 


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* David E. Hume		! "I've seen a part of people that I really never  *
* david@softwords.bc.ca !   want to share... I've seen a part of people    *
* Softwords		!   that I never knew was there...                 *
* Victoria, BC, Canada  !  Give them shelter from the coming storm..."     *
*			!                                                  *
*			!		- Sarah McLachlan                  *
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:47:00 EST
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:43:05 -0500
Subject: Song about dead lover?
Organization: The Watch
From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine)
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I'm in need of a good song, lyrics, specifically, about a woman who is
grieving for her dead lover.

I'm looking for something KaTeish, but I can't recall anything that
exactly fits (Wedding List won't do it, doesn't fit the scene). It's
for a scene in a not-to-be-published bit of group fiction (i.e., no
profit motive, copyrights not an issue, not to be distributed beyond
the authors). The woman in question has just seen her lover shot to
death; he dies not quite in her arms. She's a reckles romantic type,
always thought she'd be the first to go. He was this solid stabilizing
influence in her life, the one thing she could always count on. His
death was a complete fluke. She's very broken up.

Oh yeah, she's a singer/musician, modeled not exactly on Kate, but
definitely influenced by her.

If anybody can think of something, let me know. Maybe something by Tori
or Happy? Happy can be wonderfully depressing, this sounds like her
territory. :-)

---
scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us -- Stuart M. Castergine        ---
                I  still dream of Orgonon.                      |/
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:58:09 EST
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:48:44 -0500
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Reminisce
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<1992Nov13.122744.10350@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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moorsa@rpi.edu (Alan E. Moorse) writes:

>To change the subject: I just recently heard about Happy Rhodes and bought
>"Warpaint." The address for correspondence in the CD case lists an address
>in Albany, N.Y., about 6 miles from here, but I've never seen a performance
>listing for her. Is *she* based in upstate/central New York, and does she
>perform anywhere regularly?

Yep, Albany is where she's based.
Nope, she's working on her 6th album currently.
(Contact me if you don't receive my e-mail wrt Happy.)

>alanm

>I have a friend in Phobos. Sometimes I think I'm almost... there. HR

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Vickie                                   "My ears are lucky to hear
vickie@pilot.njin.net                        these glorious songs" HTR
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 all the voices begin" KB                Jessica Dembski-Ecto Goddess Lady
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Subject: Re: Reminisce
From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:05:18 GMT
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
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I am not stev0@sti.com (Steve Berlin).  I didn't say:
>Now, what *I* think is interesting is that I've yet to hear of anyone
>becoming a Katefan through what most of us consider to be here best
>album - The Dreaming.

my first kate exposure was seeing the video for "suspended in gaffa" on mtv
back in 1982.  i didn't like it.

later, i heard "running up that hill" on the radio and thought it was cool.
then i saw a bunch o' videos on V66 (anybody from boston remember that?),
one of which was "the big sky."  i had to go buy hounds of love
immediately.  i didn't like it.  except for RutH and TBS.

then i started reading love-hounds (received at my university's computer as
"never for ever"!!) and i wondered what all these people were talking about,
re the 9th wave.  it never made any sense to me (although i liked playing
waking the witch on my radio show to freak out the audience).  so i went
back and started investigating and the rest is history.

here endeth the lesson.

-- 
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Subject: Re: Don't Subquote, Dammit
From: mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL H. ALAIMO)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:55:29 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:00:40 EST
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In article <9211160137.AA23234@whistler.sfu.ca>, Fiona_McQuarrie@sfu.ca writes:
>This request was made a few weeks ago and I have made it in the past, and I
>am going to make it once again....
>WHEN YOU ARE RESPONDING TO PREVIOUS MESSAGES, PLEASE BE BRIEF IF YOU ARE
>QUOTING FROM THEM!!!!
>So get with it, people. Don't be jerks. Be considerate of other readers
>(especially those using 1200-baud modems or limited memory capacity) and
>keep the repeating to a minimum.

>Fiona McQuarrie
>fmcquarr@sfu.ca

I don't particularly enjoy sifting through repostings of multi-page memos
either but- sometimes it's (a) necessary to repost certain things in order to
maintain some coherent thread of the conversation and (b) some users either
don't have decent editors or aren't familiar with their systems to the point
of being able to edit repostings neatly.

I daresay that these individuals should not leave the newsgroup just to please
you and your low-grade computer system.  If you don't like it, say the hell
off the newsgroup.
  
-- 

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: MIKE ALAIMO        :
: Brain Surgeon      :    A couple SANGWICHES(tm)
: Rocket Scientist & :       shy of a picnic
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:06:13 EST
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:03:02 -0500
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From: rec-music-info@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: REC.MUSIC.INFO [Monthly `pointer']
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This message is intended to make new readers of the newsgroups in the
rec.music/alt.music hierarchy aware of the existence of the moderated
group rec.music.info.

In rec.music.info you will find many valuable resources of information:
discographies, concert dates, mailing list addresses, musical FAQ's,
chart listings, info about new releases, and much more.

If you subscribe to any of the regular music newsgroups, it will probably 
be a good idea to subscribe to rec.music.info as well.

I urgently ask you to note that rec.music.info is NOT meant for *requests* 
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:56:11 EST
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:51:50 -0500
From: andrewh@rosemount.com (Andrew Holtum)
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Subject: Re: Reminisce
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In article <BxM2Ls.KD5@sti.com> stev0@sti.com (Steve Berlin) writes:


>Now, what *I* think is interesting is that I've yet to hear of anyone
>becoming a Katefan through what most of us consider to be here best
>album - The Dreaming.

Well, it looks like I picked a winner.  Hi.  My first Kate experience
was last Monday, the 16th.  No kidding.  The album I chose was none
other than The Dreaming.

I stumbled on to this news group about a week or so ago, read the FAQ
and was so struck by your passionate loyalty that I decided to see (hear)
for myself.  I had absolutely no idea as to what album to buy for my 
initiation (the current thread of reminiscent discussion was only just
beginning) and was too shy to ask so I chose THE ONE which contained the 
"title song" of this newsgroup.

Wow.

After the smoke cleared, I zeroed in on 3 cuts that became instant favorites:
Pull Out the Pin, The Dreaming, and All the Love.  I don't know why; it's
just the way it worked.

I'd heard of Kate before some years ago but for some reason never heard any
of her stuff.  And whenever I was looking for something different in the
local record store I never seemed able to remember her as a possibility.

I'm on the way to becoming a fan, if not a follower.  My only regret is that
I've started so late and have so much ground to make up.
So I guess it is possible to become hooked through The Dreaming...

Andrew Holtum
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:03:51 EST
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:59:58 -0500
From: sandoval@stsci.edu
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: First Kate experience
Message-ID: <1992Nov20.170143.1@stsci.edu>
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  Hi everyone!  
   I've been trying to get onto this topic for years now, and I'm finally
able to.  I just started working at the Space Telescope Institute and they
have the news service.  Horrrayyyy!
  My first Kate experience was with RUTH on MTV.  I distinctly remember seeing 
that video.  I then bought HOL, and The Dreaming soon after.  It was The
Dreaming that really sealed my fate.  That album is incredible.
  My favorite Kate song is "Under The Ivy".  It's the song my wife and I 
danced to at our wedding.
  I've just recently moved from San Diego to here in Maryland.  Now if Kate
comes to the U.S next year, I hope to have a better shot a seeing her.

                                John
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:12:48 EST
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:08:47 -0500
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