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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:41:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Apr10.035725.21878@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.234056.7976@watserv1.waterloo.edu> arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir) writes:
>
>>
>>Just what does how one is dressed especially with reference to "Hijab" has
>>to do with anyone's values?  Do you really think that women are your personal 
>>objects that you they are be hidden behind curtains.  Is it that people
>
>Sorry, I didn't read the rest of your article! My article that you referred
>to, was written for people who are familiar with Islam. The only thing I can
>tell you is this: When Farah Pahlavi (former Queen of Iran) who had not a
>hejab ordinarily, went to Mashhad, she wore the hejab. That hejab is enough.
>
>The fact that Shahrokh Mortazavi supports you is a strong enough proof that
>you must be ashamed of yourself! 

ah!  i believe thats my cue again!  

right seyyed, i and millions of others who feel hejaab is an overkill, and
that dressing decently is sufficient are all ashamed of ourselves.  yeah
right.  get a life man.

>*I* feel ashamed that non-Iranians who are
>reading this newsgroup, might say "what kind of lAt these Iranians are !!!"

yeah, they are still in shame from your "salmun rushdie MUST die, and
there is NO way out of it" series of articles.  you sure painted a nice
portrait of us iranians.

>I don't know what female readers specially those who consider themselves
>friends of Shahrokh feel?

yes, please share your views with us! tell us what you think of mandatory
hejaab, the whole concept of seeghe, how much youd love to go and live in
a hardcore islamic country where women are thought of so highly.

>Seyyed.

you know seyyed, why, just why is it that youre always so bitter and so
damn tense???  you need to control-c out of this infinite loop youre
stuck in.  what is it?  is it too much testosterone?  perhaps you
should just take a look around you, look at some bee-hejaab's, and go
get a seeghe and relieve yourself.  hey, since youre a student, ill
even pitch in a few dollars.  i assume paying for it is the only way you
cant get it, considering your personality and charm.

heres some advice dude, either change and climb a few levels up the
food chain, or take your preaching to alt.depressed.lonely.insecure.
gullible.hey.i.could.join.a.cult.and.feel.better newsgroup.  youll
have more success there.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Agh Seyyed! was  Re: Shahrokh and his Modda'i
Organization: SAzmAneh Ow-ghAf 
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:56:34 GMT


In article <1992Apr11.054040.8408@wuecl.wustl.edu> 
seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>Then I choose also to express myself in whatever manner, and I also reserve
>the right to say what I want. Now what's the problem?

Seyyedeh Azizam! :-)

You CAN choose to express yourself in *whatever* manner *you* see fit
and you can also reserve the right to say what *you* want to *say*. 
No one ever told you otherwise. Unless, you are having flashbacks of
your childhood. (ooohh, cheap shot .... :-)

I don't think I can be any more blunt than that. Do you want me to put 
it in writing and take it to a "mah-zar" and have them notarize it? :-)

CATCH: The reaction you get from others might or might not be a factor
in how you *express* yourself and what you reserve the right to *say*. 
That's purely your decision. This whole concept is called diplomacy.
Or lack thereof. 

>If you think that this
>is not friendly and you don't like it, then start a friendly one: apologize
>to Babak Sehari and others for the insults you have posted.

This whole discussion has nothing to do with whether I think something is
friendly or not. I guess I am simply unable to communicate something
to you. My shortcoming. That's probably because I am not a real man
and I need to go to Iowa to become one and my sister has over-used
her vaseline (or so she thought), or maybe I snatched it from her
to use it. Oh well ...

Fine. This time I will be graceful. I hereby apologize to Babak Sehari and the
others (whomever they may be) for what I posted. I don't consider it insults
in lieu of what he does and says, but that's alright. I will give you this
one to show you by yelling and hollering nothing is achieved. And please
believe me when I tell you I am not scared of you or your type. I just thought
I'd give the graceful approach a try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 

>If he was "reasoning" then it was a different problem. But he is just playing
>the role of a "joker". How can one convince a joker like him?
>

If you consider him a joker, and don't know how one convinces a joker like
him, the don't make the same mistake I made with Babak Sehari. Don't lower 
yourself to the "joker" level. Let him go. If you really believe in what you 
say, he would receive what he deserves on judgement day, wouldn't he?


Aref


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: LOTFALI@ricevm1.rice.edu (LOTFALI)
Subject: housing/Berkeley/S.F
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:13:46 GMT

Hi,
I need housing/subletting/house-sitting/room-for-rent for this summer.
I am a anthro. Ph.D student at Rice U. and I will be in the Bay Area during
the summer. If you know of any of above possibility please let me know.
You can send me an e-mail at: Lotfai@ricevm1.ric      Thanks Mazyar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Subject: Re: AzmAyesheh jadeed! (please ignore)
Summary: taveezeh ghahveh khooneh
Keywords: YadollAh
Organization: naghAl khooneh
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:52:50 GMT

In article <amoojoon.17@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh> amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed) writes:

>Amoo's experiencing problem with mash ghanbar's ghahveh khooneh.
>This a new site.

sorry, but I'm still trying to fix this.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRANIAN REVOLUTION DATE!
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:02:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr15.185117.6774@src.honeywell.com> amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:
>>>>I remember after the revolution back in 1977 in Iran the most brutal and

>>>Was the another revolution in 1977 in Iran that I am not aware of?!!!
>>Yup! EnghelAbeh Sefid!!!! Remember we had to memorize the original 12 "asl"
>>in school and then 12 "asl" became some 17 or 18 asls. EnghelAbeh s
>
>The so called "white revolution" was proclaimed by the Shah in early
>60s, probably in 1963, but definitely not 1977!
>
>What is the 12 "asl" that your are referring to in your article?

Folks , Folks , Folks 

    I    A  M    S  O  R  R  Y       !!!!!!!!

It was a simple mistake .... let's save the bandwidth ...   ok ?

1977=1979  .....   1977 = (not) 1969    

Regards 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:21:04 GMT

Farhad Shakeri writes:

>moddaee khAst ke Amad tamAshA gah rAz
>			Daste ghayb Amad o bar seenaye nAmahram zad
>
>							HAfez

dardam az yAr ast-o darmAn niz ham
			del fadAy-e oo shod-o jAn niz ham

							"Hafez"
"meem" as in "mey-e nAb" bedeh. ;)
--
Dariush

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Real Bankrupts (was: Mojahedin revisted
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:15:44 GMT

farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>Well my dear brother,  Atleast when I plan to do such a thing I will
>open my eyes and look around and see who the friends  are and not
>just become the puppets of an enemy (IRAQ) and follow a leader
>that his patriotism toward Iran is questionable!

OK Farhad, define a puppet. 

With respect to the Mojahedin, you must realize that 
they HAVE never supported any policy of the Iraqi
government (or any other government for that matter).
A puppet must have some sort of sympathy or orientation
towards its master(s).

You see Farhad, the Khomeini regime would like to 
spread this myth that the Mojahedin are either dependent
on or are in some ways affiliated with the Iraqi
government.

The events of the Gulf war proved how independent the 
Mojahedin were. Despite the fact the entire Mojahedin
leadership and the NLA were in Iraqi soil, the Mojahedin
never expressed support for the Iraqi actions. That
is being independent.

Also, Iraqis signed cease-fire treaty with the Khomeini
regime, exchanged friendly letters, called each other
borther, exchanged embassadors, etc. The position of
the Mojahedin remains the same: struggle to overthrow
the Khomeini regime despite whatever else the Iraqi
government is involved with. A puppet would cease its
activities and put arm struggle aside.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sadegh@court.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mojahedin Playing with Hearts and Minds
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:23:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19543
Reply-To: sadegh@court.Berkeley.EDU

MOJAHEDIN EAT WHEATIES: following an unprecedented publicity stunt
pictures of Mr & Mrs Rajavi appeared on boxes of wheaties across
tha nation. During a press confrence in Bagdad's "Houssein High"
auditorium, Mr Rajavi told the news reporters that God wanted him
to do this for his country.
In a soon to be broadcast BBC Documentary, "Targeting My Homeland",
Mr Rajavi is seen holding hands with his current wife, Mrs. Maryam
Rajavi, in a wide field of grass amongst thousands of cows grazing
on the field. He denied rumors of him having another wife in Pacific
Isles as completely false, and malicious.
Mojahedin have been fighting for power against the Iranian Governement
since Shah's regime. Between 1973 to 1975 Mojahedin assasinated several
American militay attaches in Iran.



 -sadegh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:09:49 GMT

In <saied.702779706@odin> saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

>sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:

>>What the heck was the point of attacking Iran's Embassies ? you
>>accomplished nothing but arrest of few people and humiliation ... 

>Ramin- the purpose of the attacks was to bring the media's
>attention to the regime's attack and emphasizing. It is
>important to emphasize on the Khomeini regime's war mongering,
>and other war-like activities.

This sounds like a rapist call that says, "the purpose of rape was pro-creation"
-:) Yeah, right!

>>I thought Mojahedin claim that they are not a terrorist group !!!!!

>The Mojahedin have never been a terrorist group. A terrorist
>group, resorts to terrorism because it has no legitimate cause.
>A good example is the Khomeini regime. The Mojahedin want freedom
>and democracy for their people. This is a legitimate cause. They
>fight for it; they give martyrs for it; and they will never stop
>fighting for their cause.

You guys by definition are terrorist. You decided to pursue "Armed Struggle"
to achieve "protaria dictatorship" from very early days of your organization.
This is not a "legitimate cause". 

By the way, there are a lot of gang people get killed all over US. Non of them
are martyrs.

   With highest regards to the soldiers who gave their lives to protect Iran
                      Babak  Sehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Real Bankrupts (was: Mojahedin revisted
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:24:28 GMT

In article <saied.702935700@odin>, saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
|> 
|>    1. They have a very powerful army. This some 50,000 strong
|>       army is riding very high and is getting stronger and
|>       stronger everyday...

Last time I heard you guys were 100,000 what happen?

|>    2. The Mojahedin were the designers of a nationalistic coalition.
|>       This coalition, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, has
|>       22 members and happens to be the longest, the largest, and...

Longest?  in what?  you perverts...   Iraqi weather has helped huh?

|>    ...
|>    5. The Mojahedin never stop fighting this biggest enemy of Iranians.
|>       The Mojahedin are courageous and are willing to sacrifice
|>       everything they have for their people. That is alot to be proud of.
|>       And that is something others, specially the psuedo-intellectual,
|>       can't claim.
|> 
|>       Those who have given up the struggle and have lost their
|>       hopes are the bankrupts not the Mojahedin who are getting
|>       more serious each day.

People have lost hope because they have seen you guys as the only 
replacement for the current regime.  

So if getting out of the chAleh means jumping into MostaraAh then I'd rather
stay in the chAleh.  ( I could have used chAh instead of MostaraAh but in 
case of NLA the later is more appropriate )

chAh       ==  a deeeeep hole 
chAleh     ==  ditch
MostaraAh  ==  Out House  (often a ditch)

|> 
|> I could go on, but I think the above in enough for now.
|> 


Hey please do not stop we all enjoy your jokes.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: My two cents worth (WAS: re: KhAnomhA's opinion)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:12:09 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Apr7.164420.13234@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Moda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:

> As to the way women are addressed in Farsi, even though we too have a
> few colorful ones, I think our expressions are far less offensive than
> their counterparts in English.  

Depends on how we compare them.  There are (currently) three formal ways of
addressing women in Farsi: Khaanom, Baanu and Doshize, of which only the first
(Khaanom) is non-sexist.  That is, it is applied equally to females of all ages
and regardless of their marital status -- on par with Aghaa for males.  The
list of non-formal (offensive) references to women includes the following:

	Za'ife		(The) weak
	Manzel		Home
	Awrat		Private (part)
	Boz		Goat (it is in fact a variation of the Arabic word
			"Boz'a" be, zaad, ein, meaning part)
	Maadar-e bachcha-haa
			Mother of the kids
	Vaalede-ye aaqa mostafaa
			Mother of Mr. Mostafaa 
	Nana-e ...	Mother of ... (one of her chilldren)

These are very common and are used with no offence intended (even though by the
very fact that they are sexist, they are offensive).  The list of offensive
references may be bigger.  They include various references to women`s
sexuality, as objects of desire or direct use of genital names.

> I wouldn't object to "miss", "mrs.",
> "lady" and "maam".  I despise "gal", "honey", "sweetie" and specially
> "ms." because my marital status is not a matter I would like to hide,
> and I don't believe it has any bearing on my success factor in the
> work enironment.  

The use of "Ms." has nothing to do with the "hiding" of one's marriage.  It
shouldn't be measured on one's success in the work environment either.  It is
just that marriage should not be relevant to the way one is referred to.  And
that in a way to make one person, one-sidedly, an "appendix" of the other.
"Mrs."  literally means "the wife of".  It is being used as in "my mrs.",
literally, "my wife" or as "Mrs. Paul Johnson", "the wife of Paul Johnson".

On the other hand, it is not the case of "Ms." versus "Mrs."  "Ms." can be
applied on females of all ages (as is "Mr." on males).  I have personally tried
to educate my daughters to use "Ms." as their titles from their early school
age.  And they love it.  it should never put it on par with "gal", "honey",
"sweetie" etc!

And for Persian-speaking people, the use of "Ms." is unavoidable.  If you see a
reference to a "Khaanom so and so", then translating it to "Mrs." or "Miss" may
be WRONG.  The only safe translation is to "Ms."

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hooshyar@scrp.Stanford.EDU (Hooshyar)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Reply-To: hooshyar@scrp.stanford.edu (Hooshyar)
Organization: Stanford Cardiac Rehab Program
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:39:10 GMT

fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:
>
>	man dard-e torA z-e dast AsAn nadaham
>			 del bar nakanam z-e doost tA jAn nadaham
>	az doost be-yAdegAr dardee dAram
>			 kAn dard be-sad hezAr darmAn nadaham
>
>khAheshmand ast yek meem deegar lotf befarmA'eed

ey bechashm!

man zAdeh shodam dar-een kharAb-AbAd
Angooneh ke bakht-e vazhgoonam khAst
taghdeer, joz-een makAn barAy-e man
zeebandeh nadeed entekhAbee rA         (Nader Naderpoor, dAd khAst)   

how about an alef-e nAghAbel?

REgards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
hooshyar@scrp.stanford.edu
(415) 324-1055

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german,rec.travel.air
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: New Fare Structure From AA
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:02:49 GMT

  Just a question about the new fare structure that American Airlines will
be instituting next week.  

  Does anybody know what the overall changes in the advanced purchase fares
(especially 21 days) will be.  American seems to be saying that they will be
lower, but other sources say they will be going up.

  Otherwise, just wondering if anybody out here has any comments related
to the fare changes.

Greg
From: hooshyar@scrp.Stanford.EDU (Hooshyar)
Subject: Re: I think...
Reply-To: hooshyar@scrp.stanford.edu (Hooshyar)
Organization: Stanford Cardiac Rehab Program
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:48:02 GMT

fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:

>Thank you for the suggestion ... this is truly a multi-threaded moshA'ereh
>so with many different ending letters many different people can participate
>at the same time ... I for one am really enjoying this ...

Isn't this the same as a many-to-many relationship in a DBMS system?

>>P.S.:  How would you translate this:
>
>>		Ta sehh nA-shehh   BAzzy nA-shehh    .-)
>
>How about: 	Until the count of three, the game shall not begin :-)

One possible equlivalent expression that I have heard a lot is:

                Three strikes, and you're out.

Or, something to that effect.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
hooshyar@scrp.stanford.edu
(415) 324-1055



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: More on Mojahedin Attacks
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:02:30 GMT



 
 From the Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran over the weekend:
 
 * Hans Dietrich Genscher, in a letter to Iran's foreign minister, Ali
 Akbar Valayeti, stated that his government regretted the Mojahedin
 attacks on the Iranian representatives' offices in Germany and that
 steps have been taken to avert such attacks in the future. Furthermore,
 Germany is offering to compensate Iran for the loss of property.
 
 * Similarly, Norway has offered to compensate Iran for the damage to its
 embassy in Oslo.
 
 * Iran has invited U.N. investigators to examine the villages on the
 Iranian border which were recently attacked by members of the Mojahedin
 Khalq Organization.
 
 Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: maftoon@aliens.enet.dec.com (Javad Maftoon)
Subject: Taseh-vared
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:40:37 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:53:11 GMT

In article <3305@equinox.unr.edu> taqwaa@equinox.unr.edu (Muhammad Taqwaa) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.223653.1359@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:
>>
>>SM>At the same time you claim that you believe in Islam and Quran. You write:
>>
>>Yes I do.
>
>If you believe to Islam let's talk about Two  Islamic rules.
>1-  "Hejab"
>If you believe Hejab why you don't have it ( for Women) if not then
>You just claim that you believe to Islam. Realy you don't.
>

Are you people still concentrating on the parts of Islam that is concerned
with the bottom half of human anatomy?  There are a lot of other things in
Islam that you can stick to which make a lot more sense you know?! :-))

>2- Politic
>The second question is, I strongly know that you don't   engage with
>politic but Islam do.
>

From what your kind of Islam has done to my country I wish somebody had 
inserted a line about not engaging into politics in Islam too!

>
> BTW: I strong believe that any Ideology  that stop people engaging politicsc
>has been made or has been changed by aggressor.

It well may be.  But assuming that you are being sincere about your number 2
item, why do you guys hate Baha'is so much and give them such a hard time, 
when you know that they don't get involved with politics and therefore pose
no threat to you?
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang [somewhat long]
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:45:00 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <kubq8iINNpjb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.033728.21663@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
> 
>>against religion". If I have gone through this discussion, it's because
>>I care about you; you are not a threat to me. There are people like
>>Shahrokh Mortazavi on the net, who try to compensate for their lack of
>>knowledge and logic, by making a clown of themselves. 
> 
> no my dear zafar.  the dubious post of clownhood has long been claimed
	     ^^^^^

Get the name right! I didn't write anything. SEYYED did!!!!!!!

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian