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From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:21:59 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <19AUG199220442487@zeus.tamu.edu> wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes:

> Anyone had any luck with oobe experiments?
> Have a good day,

    It depends on what kind of experiments you're refering to. I haven't done 
anything like the card reading experiment but I try to have a simple 
experiment in mind beforehand. So far I've had great success at remembering 
and performing them during my OBEs.

    The latest was to try to find a way to change locations. I have found that 
I'm often trapped inside of my house and attempts to pass trough walls 
generally has one of three results: 1) the wall is solid and impassable, 2) I 
pass through and find only a dark void on the other side, 3) the sensation of 
passing through solid matter brings an abrupt end to the OBE.

    I have read in lucid dreaming books about methods to prolong the dream.
One is to spin around in mid-air. If it works you typically come out of the
spin in a different location.  Since I suspect OBEs to be dream related, this
seemed like a good place to start.  About a week ago I had an OBE and once I
had achieved separation I immidiately floated to a open spot and began to
spin.  To my surprise, a vault opened in the south wall of the room and inside
I found a swirling vortex of black liquid. I dove into the vortex and emerged
in a different location. A few minutes later I easily summoned the vortex
again (this time just by thinking about it) and used it to move to yet another
place. For my next experiment I intend to first visualize a specific
real-world place and see if the vortex will take me there. 

    Has anyone else seen this vortex or something like it?


Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: This naming stuff!!
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:57:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Aug19.161436.14169@doug.cae.wisc.edu> christin@cae.wisc.edu writes:

> What is wrong with alt.oobe??  I like it!!  

I'd go for that. Let's just make a decision and get on with it!
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: OBE Newsgroup Name - CALL FOR VOTES
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:52:03 GMT

Well, the votes have already begun streaming in.  But before things go too
far, I want to make one amendment to the voting scheme just posted.

In <1992Aug21.171438.27969@gnosys.svle.ma.us> I write:

> ...
>
> You are allowed to vote in favor of more than one newsgroup name proposal
> in order that we can find a name acceptable to the greatest number of our
> readers...

Please indicate within the text of your message whether the newsgroup name
you choose represents your first, second, third, or fourth choice.  We'll
count the first-choice votes first, and find some creative way to use the
other information after thinking about it some.  There are some who, for
example, would accept alt.oobe, but would prefer alt.out-of-body.  By voting
for both newsgroups, one indicates either would be acceptable.  But it's
better, I think, that we know which one folks really prefer.  While the vote
is being conducted, we can work out a formula by which we can use the second,
third, and fourth choice votes.  It just requires a bit of thought.

To those who have already voted, and have voted for only one name, you need
not send another vote - your vote will be counted as your first choice.
Those who have voted for two or more should send me a message letting me
know the order of your preferences.

Sorry for any confusion.

Thanks!

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok)
Subject: Re: On with the show
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.160035.7292@javelin.sim.es.com> KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (Kellan Hatch) writes:
>
>    Is there anyone out there who actually wants to discuss OBEs?

  I would. Unfortunately, I have never had an OOBE (or atleast none that 
I have been consciously aware of. I've been trying though, so if anyone
out there has any helpful tips for bringing about OOBEs, I'd like to
hear them. I've briefly tried the steps described by Robert Monroe in his
book, but with no luck. 

  Speaking of Robert Monroe, does anyone know if he's going to have another
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Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: On passing through physical objects
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:48:17 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Aug21.155559.14892@javelin.sim.es.com>, KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh) writes:
> In <21AUG199201204472@zeus.tamu.edu> wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
> 
>> Wow, that vortex stuff sounds interesting.  It seems to be an interesting 
>> solution to leaving the room during an oobe.  I have had the same problem
>> with leaving the room during an oobe.  It's seems like one could just walk 
>> thru a wall but I have been unsuccessful at this.
> 
> Weird, isn't it?  On my first OBE I fully expected to drift effortlessly 
> through a wall but was surprised at the jarring thump when I bounced off.

many times!  glad to finally have found others with similar experiences. 
sometimes i can put my hand through something, sometimes i can't, and sometimes
i can and can't at different times in the same experience!
also, they say you can visit someone just by thinking about thier personality,
but sometimes i try this and nothing happens, sometimes i try and travel
somewhere but don't seem to ever find who i'm looking for.  it's weird.
sometimes i can fly and sometimes that doesn't work either.
i'm wondering if there is a difference between a conscious obe and a conscious
*dream* of an obe.  because the experiences in which things don't work at all
was much different than the one experience i had that i can confidently call a
"real" obe.
concerning whether obes are dreams, i think obes and dreams are similar states,
but both are definitely real (i.e. not "just the mind entertaining itself" or
whatever).  i think they are visits to a reality system that we used to know,
but have forgotten for the duration of our human incarnation(s).

Jude
From: lobsang@unixland.natick.ma.us (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: does anyone who can do oobe at will want to do an experiment?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:23:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS


     I'm very interested in OOBEs, and have several ideas for
interesting experiments. I am hampered by the fact that I don't know
anyone who can have do it at will. Is there anyone out there in
net-land who can have an OOBE at will, and has some measure of control
over his/her actions while out of the body, and would be willing to
participate in a few harmless but hopefully informative experiments?
If so, please email me at mlevin@presto.cs.tufts.edu, or just reply to
this message. Thanks.

Mike Levin
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Maine Network Backup
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: experiments
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:19:39 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Aug18.141712.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> well, it seems to me that once out of body, we don't want to do something as
> mundane as looking at a card; it feels real so for the moment we want to enjoy
> the experience or at least experience the experience; you know--work on areas
> of personal growth and that kind of thing.  it's only when we get back to the
> body that we think "i should have looked at the card".

    Despite their sense of extreme realism, I believe that my OBEs are a type
of lucid dream rather than a paranormal experience.  The successful completion
of such an experiment would be very exciting (and quite surprising) to me. I
have had good success at carrying out predetermined experiments despite the
urge to just have a good time.  In doing so I am gradually learning skills
that give me more control over my OBE/dream state.  Eventually I intend to try
something like the card experiment just out of curiosity.  I don't agree with
Monroe when he suggests that proving the actuality of OBEs hasn't been done
just because it's too boring.  I would think that someone with as many
out-of-body hours as he would have invested a little more effort trying to
validate his claims. I know he's participated in some experiments but they
never really went the way they were supposed to.  

    A successful experiment would have earth-shattering implications. 

Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Subject: Re: Survey
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.152159.2164@javelin.sim.es.com>, KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh) writes...
>In <19AUG199220442487@zeus.tamu.edu> wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
> 
>> Anyone had any luck with oobe experiments?
>> Have a good day,
> 
>    ........About a week ago I had an OBE and once I
>had achieved separation I immidiately floated to a open spot and began to
>spin.  To my surprise, a vault opened in the south wall of the room and inside
>I found a swirling vortex of black liquid. I dove into the vortex and emerged
>in a different location. A few minutes later I easily summoned the vortex
>again (this time just by thinking about it) and used it to move to yet another
>place. For my next experiment I intend to first visualize a specific
>real-world place and see if the vortex will take me there. 
> 
>    Has anyone else seen this vortex or something like it?
> 

Wow, that vortex stuff sounds interesting.  It seems to be an interesting 
solution to leaving the room during an oobe.  I have had the same problem
with leaving the room during an oobe.  It's seems like one could just walk 
thru a wall but I have been unsuccessful at this.  Your method seems to 
to agree with idea that travel during an oobe is done thru just
thinking about a place and bamm, you're there.  The spin technique that
you describe is similar to the one I use in the occasion that I can
leave the room.

I was amazed to see the scene in the movie "Ghost" were Patric tries
to go thru the door....it reminded me of my own struggle to just
get out of the room with no exits during and oobe.

Did anyone else identify with this? 

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:41:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Aug17.173411.1570@cs.wisc.edu> cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu writes:

> >> B: alt.consciousness.altered-states

> >Wait a moment.  I disagree that these are the choices.  The thing I see us to
> >be voting on are what we want to call a new newsgroup whose charter will make
> >it clear that its purpose is to discuss out-of-body experiences.  Thus, there
> >is no reason, in my mind, to offer the choices Jude labels A, D, or E, since
> >these are existing newsgroups.
> 
> I think existing newsgroups are perfectly reasonable choices. I can't see the
> need to split a group that only gets 10 postings a day. It's not like you have
> to wade through hundreds of messages to find the OOBE ones, and OOBE seems to
> fit well enough under a "paranormal" classification. I'm voting for E.


    It seems to me to be very difficult to follow a single subject buried in a 
larger group.  That's because 3/4 of the posts are often replies and the 
subject matter can completely change several times before someone mercifully 
uses a new subject heading.  

    I would like to see a split from previous groups (especially .paranormal) 
to reduce the association of the subject matter to spoon bending and ufos.

    I'm voting for B:
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: This naming stuff!!
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:14:35 CDT

There is all this talk about what to name this group!

What is wrong with alt.oobe??  I like it!!  It has many
benefits.. skeptics will not know what oobe is so they will
most likely just ignore it and those who know what it is will
most likely have something good to offer to the group!
Xref: sparky alt.oobe:89 alt.config:5141 alt.dreams:2891 alt.paranormal:2112 alt.consciousness:401
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: OBE Newsgroup Name
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:58:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dreams

In <1684280FD.CCENS03@USLVM.USL.EDU> CCENS03@USLVM.USL.EDU writes:

> In article <Bsvx72.GyD@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
> mjanzen@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Edward Janzen) writes:
>  
> >I've spent a lot of time choosing between 2 grad schools.
> >On Sunday I had a dream about #1 (the one I eventually chose)...
>  
> It could be an invention of your anxiety...

PLEASE - do not continue this discussion under the present title, and
in all the newsgroups in which this article is cross-posted.  This
discussion belongs in alt.dreams ONLY, and under a title that has some-
thing to do with the subject of the article.

Thanks.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: wdb3926@rigel.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Senses during OOBE's
Date: 21 Aug 1992 20:16:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 I recall reading a posting about senses during an oobe.  I remember
feeling a wooden floor and sensing it to be cold.  I have others
speak of colors.  It is often dark in my room during oobe's
so it is had to tell whether there is color or not.  Besides
I spend most of my time trying to concentrate on remaining calm
and to just move about in the room.

Anyone else examined the senses during oobe's?

Oh, and about the tether that some say exist between the physical body
and the other body......I've never met anyone that has seen this tether....
I have not seen it either.....only heard about it in books.  I suspect
that it is a myth or imagined.....but then again I haven't met many 
people who have actually had an oobe.   

Has anyone seen this tether?  If so have you tried touching it?
					

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (Kellan Hatch)
Subject: On with the show
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:00:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


    Is there anyone out there who actually wants to discuss OBEs?
From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 20 Aug 1992 01:44:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <18AUG199201125552@zeus.tamu.edu>, wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes...
>	
>About how long do your oobe's last?  (1min, 10min, 30min, or longer)  

2-20 minutes

>When you begin the oobe, do you start in the room?  
>				or start in a void?  or where? 

In the room.

>If your oobe's are in the your room,
>	about how far do you travel away from your physical body? (in meters)

Not too far....I haven't been able to leave the room yet.

>	do you ever see your physical body?

Kinda, it's quite shocking....makes me want to go back.

>Do you every see someone else during the oobe?  who?
>

Yes, but they don't seem to think that anything unusual is happening.
They don't even bother to speak to me directly.

>Thanks for you reply,
>Texas
>             


Anyone had any luck with oobe experiments?
Have a good day,
Dan              
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: On passing through physical objects (was RE: Survey
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:55:59 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <21AUG199201204472@zeus.tamu.edu> wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu writes:

> Wow, that vortex stuff sounds interesting.  It seems to be an interesting 
> solution to leaving the room during an oobe.  I have had the same problem
> with leaving the room during an oobe.  It's seems like one could just walk 
> thru a wall but I have been unsuccessful at this.

Weird, isn't it?  On my first OBE I fully expected to drift effortlessly 
through a wall but was surprised at the jarring thump when I bounced off.
From: SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Interactions between astral and phyisical planes ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

To start with, I have never had an OOBE, but reading the posts here I gather
that one does interact with other people.  So, are these people also in the
astral plane or are they in the physical plane.  One poster says that
"barely do they even notice me".  Can u be more specific as to the "amount"
of interest they showed in u ? and what could be the possible reason of
"barely noticing" ? has anyon emadde attempts at contacting pple in their
physical plane ?

It could be true that since I have really not had an OOBE, my questions are
nonsensical, but please try to answer as much as u can.  thnakx in advance.


Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: OBE Newsgroup Name
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:44:49 GMT

In <1992Aug10.002843.10399@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu
	(Tim Pierce) writes:

> In article <j#zm2qk.tomrice@netcom.com> tomrice@netcom.com
	(Tom R. Rice) writes:

> >	Thus, I'd vote for alt.oobe or alt.out-of-body; come to think
> >	of it, does it have to be "alt."?

> Feel free to propose it in news.groups, but its chance of passing is
> slim at best.

Indeed.  Perhaps a while after we establish the new newsgroup, we'll be able
to gather enough support to think about a mainstream newsgroup (and then we
get to have this discussion all over again! :-)

I'll put out a call for votes on the current name proposals before the end
of the week.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Subject: Getting Back
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:15:00 GMT

I'm glad to see that there is some forum for a discussion of OOBE's.
So thanks to those involved in creating it....

I would like to comment on "getting back to the physical body".  I 
remember getting very excited during OOBE's and wanting to 
have a much fun as possible.  However, the experiences seem to become 
frightening sometimes because OOBE's are really strange and unexpected
sometimes.  I have a few techniques to get back if anyone ever gets "stuck".

(1)  It seems that most of the things that happen during OOBE's are due 
to the thoughts of the person having them.  So I try just thinking
myself back to the physical body......and try to "align" the two bodies
if I'm aware of both.  It seems to work OK.

(2)  Often times I could not move the physical body right away
when I got back......or I would wake up during the night and be "frozen". 
Two things worked OK in these cases.  Just concentrating on moving my hand, 
such as moving fingers or pushing against the bed or floor.  Secondly, an
increase in breathing rate seems to help.  Yogi's have often said that
"the breath ties the soul to the body"......so maybe that's what they meant.

In any event, it seems that once I got back to the physical body
and did a courage check......I was ready to go back to the OOBE and explore.
At these times it seemed to be much easier to begin an OOBE when
compared with "start from scratch" attempts.  

					Hope some of this helps.
					Have fun,
					Texas

Questions:  Anyone keep a log of their OOBE's?  
	    If so, how many OOBE's per month or year do you have?
	    Are most of your OOBE's planned or unexpected?


Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: On with the show
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:26:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (Kellan Hatch) writes:


>    Is there anyone out there who actually wants to discuss OBEs?

		Sure, I do.  What else can you do on a newsgroup 
			devoted to the topic?


-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
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CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Take me away....
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:46:53 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Last night I prepared to travel to a friends house to check
out a shirt he had hung up in the shower for me to find.  We
had decided this much previous to my attempt.  I got to his house 
okay picturing myself in his entry room, then preceding to set my
views toward the bathroom doorway, as to enter and find this shirt.
Well, every time I tried to get near the bathroom I failed.  Finally
I got infront of the door and felt myself falling backwards (but horizontally
not down) through infinite doorways away from the bathroom.  The harder
I tried to pull myself back towards the bathroom doorway, the faster
I would zoom away.  My intents to get to that shirt kept getting stronger
though.  Finally I pulled myself out of it, and called my
friend to tell him of the adventure.  

He said, Oh!  I forgot to the put the shirt in the bathroom, it was lying
on my bed.  Did you see it?  

Perhaps that is why I kept getting pulled away from the bathroom -
IT WASN'T THERE!

:)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe