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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Fresh from the oven
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:12:10 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>In article <5383@rosie.NeXT.COM>, ltucker@next.com (Lee Tucker) writes:

(Yay! Another potential caballist! I'll smack a pod your way.)

>My lover was raised in a southern fundamentalist
>pentecostal speaking-in-tongues family.

Another interesting factoid about me, me, me: I can speak in tongues.
Learned how to at what is probably the best place: Foursquare Gospel
Church camp (very fundy, in case you haven't heard of it). This was
maybe 10 years ago, but I can still do it whenever I think to test
myself. It sounds kind of Arabian or Indian. I wonder if there's
anything to it? I wonder if the Holy Spirit guides my voice? I wonder
if it's given me greater aptitude at oral sex?

John, mystical

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.184459.19840@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct16.151301.16209@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
> >Is the lovely George Reilly (georgere@microsoft.com) regular
> >enough to qualify for your list? I cannot believe that he
> >has ever been even lightly singed here, although I can
> >imagine he's been toasted from time to time.
> >
> >And how about sweet Rod Williams (rjwill6@pacbell.com), a
> >man whose tastes in coffee are as cultivated as his wit?
> >Has Rod ever been roasted here?
> 
> We have a palicy of naat infooriatin' the Irish.  And that goes dooble
> for Eamonn.
> 
> (I'm just waiting to be strangled for my dumb attempts at a Bostonian's
> idea of a Irish accent, learned at his grandma's knee.)

  Funny, Schwark doesn't sound Irish. 

  I wana Irish accent, there so, so *adorable*. If I could have any
accent in the world, it would be Irish. Not French, too snotty. Not
Germany, too guttural and phlegmy. Not English, too stiff. Not Italian,
too operatic. Not Scandanavian, reminds me too much of Tim Conway on 
Carol Burnett.
  Irish is the *perfect* accent. It makes me melt. It's so rhythmic and
melodious. Barring obtaining an Irish accent (which is rather doubtful 
here in OC), I'd be willing to just *have* one. If only for a little 
while, until I tired of my play toy -- or, alas, he tired of my boring
California accent.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: Re: Why's It the Way It Is?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:41:17 GMT

max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>As one who often leaves gender aside when writing here,
>I've noticed that 95% of the time, responses to me (especially
>from Jess) manage to drag my gender back into the conversation.

Unduly harsh language on my part.  Apologies to Jess,
who assures me it was not intentional.  My use of
gender-neutral language when I thought that was 
appropriate didn't ring any bells, apparently.  As
usual, I mistook opacity for clever subtlety.

(Also, I'm not trying to be Mark Ethan Smith and mess
with people's heads.  Max Vasilatos carries her sexual
equipment inside her pelvis, not out in the breeze.  No
secret, no joke.)

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Paris
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:02:10 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

mcinnes@iiasa.ac.at (Robert  McINNES) writes:

>Hi!
>has anybody out there been to Paris recently and managed to
>get into La Banque.  How did it work?

Why yes!  I walked into one named "Credit Lyonnais", one of the larger
ones in France.  Since I planned on living there awhile, I opened an
account.  They even gave me this pretty (are you listening, Matthew?)
gold credit card.  And they sent me statements in French!  Wow!
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:34:55 GMT

In article <1atd2qINNt2p@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.000810.3872@reed.edu> 
> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> > In article <1at35iINNngi@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (the
> > imminently e-fuckable 
> 
> Well, I hope I'm not *just* "e-fuckable".

Especially "imminently", like in about 10 days or so?
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:38:33 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>This is kind of silly, and tries to compare too many different sit-
>uations that are not equal at all. Sure, every group has been dis-
>criminated against in their history, but that doesn't mean that they
>are all suffering for it now. I *am* gentile, so I can't say this
>with authority, but I'd guess (and please tell me if I'm wrong) that
>Jews are no longer an oppressed class, really; they've been able to
>gain positions of power in society and have gotten integrated so well
>that I, myself, have difficulty looking around and picking out the
>Jews in the mix 

Is this "integration" necessarily the goal?  At what price has this occurred?
Jews definitely have assimilated into the background, but also have lost
much of their culture which set them apart.  Many of the Jews I know are 
starting to gather their Christmas ornaments together to decorate this year's 
tree.

I don't observe most of the religious aspects of being Jewish, but I am
trying to retain many of the cultural ones, something which is getting
more difficult as time goes by.

And surely, this oppression still exists (just look at the flood of 
discrimination lawsuits which have been filed recently), but it just 
isn't acceptable anymore.

Sim, off on a tangent.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: de-muffining
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:35:52 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, dcunning@engr.UVic.CA (Daniel  Cunningham) wrote:
>After reading several hundred articles from soc.mots I have decided, against 
>my better judgement, to de-muffin. 

Welcome.

>- I'm going to my first gay dance tomorrow night.

My ten year high school reunion was last weekend, and now comes the tenth
anniversary of my first gay party.  A residence hall coordinator had gotten
together a few of us who were in the process of taking our first steps toward
coming out into a support group.  For awhile, we were the only gay people
each of us knew.  After a few weeks, it came time to meet others at a
party held in a private home.  The eight of us and the counselor left to
get to the party early so that we could acclimate ourselves.  We were all
clutched to each other and wouldn't let go because we were so terrified,
and held each other close for the first couple of hours.  One unlucky soul
would be first and lead us showing us what to do, for about fifteen minutes,
then another took over.  It was that bad.

After awhile, we realized that the others there were our classmates and
teachers (Omigawd!), and we started mingling with the others.  We all
had a wonderful time.

In an opposite corner of a room, I spotted the sexiest man I had seen.  He
was with somebody else, and I was much too terribly shy.  I knew I wanted
him then.  I finally got to actually meet Daivd two years later.

>Flamers need not respond to this article.

Try to keep your lines to less than 80 columns and you should do just fine.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: dorsieh@agora.rain.com (Dorsie Hathaway)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: burnout
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:44:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BvvJ2J.784
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Burnout has been one of the 'hot' topics of discussion this
week among my circle of friends here in Oregon.

Yes, we are getting burned out.  Many of us feel angry 
that so much of our time, money, and attention has been USED UP
fighting a divisive and hateful right wing agenda.  I've heard
the term 'battle fatigue' used a lot lately.

I am dealing with it by keeping in touch with all my friends;
speaking honestly with everyone about the effect this is having
on me (nightmares, fatigue, apprehension, and anxiety attacks).

Every day I try to write at least one letter to someone somewhere
in the world, either thru Email or snail mail, and let them
know what's happening here.  

I feel that the worst thing we can do is to be quiet closet
queers.  

Every time I take a new risk, i.e., adding a bumper sticker,
outing myself to yet another person at work or on the street,
writing those letters, posting to the company bulletin boards,
sticking my neck out on Internet or AOL, there's a little
homophobic and fearful voice in me that says "is this safe?",
or "will there be a bad reaction to this?"...and then 
my proud and strong voice comes out and says "What's going
to happen if you DON'T speak up?" and the answer is invariably,
NOTHING.

We can't afford for nothing to happen.  There are people in
my state who have gone public saying they want to kill
queers.  I take that pretty seriously, but I will not 
let it silence me.  I think it's all the more reason to
speak up and BE visible.  

Those fears and the little voices wondering, is it worth it?
are the same ones that keep people in the closet.  I will
not be silenced, not by the right, and not by myself.
 
I think the people who are still IN the closet here
are probably suffering a lot more.  Although I have 
experienced momentary discomfort from taking the risks
I have, I have also been richly rewarded.  Straight 
people at work have come up to me and talked about the 
rally and how they feel about Measure 9, and reassured
me that they are registered to vote and planning to vote
and are talking to their friends. 

My mother, who has
always been hesitant to get political, has contacted her
professional society with information on Measure 9.  
She has also talked to all her homophobic colleagues
and let them know that when they talk about ho-mo-secshuals,als,
they are talking about her daughter.

Whatever you do to deal with the threats to our civil
rights, don't give up.  Find a niche you can work from,
and stretch your limits a bit.  It IS empowering
to fight the enemy.

Dorsie Hathaway
Portland, Oregon
 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:41:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct7.190632.10349@netcom.com>, stephena@netcom.com (Stephen
Arrants) wrote:

> Marlene Dietrich's illegitimate daughter by Mary Pickford, of course. Meryl 
> Streep is her third cousin, by the way.

oooohhh, <snap>

I knew that!  I did!  Really!  

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Ann Landers Is Appalling
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:56:27 GMT

In article <ldjq3kINNm9i@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Did anyone read the Ann Landers this morning?  For those
>of you who did not, it was a classic closet case letter,
>complaining that drag queens and leathermen keep them in
>the closet.

Yes... you, me, and a million or so other g/ls.  This just
goes to show you what Ann really thinks.  I will guarantee you
that she will come back with one of those stupid letters to
her readers saying that she was sorry to be so insensitive.

To all those who agree with Ann... may I remind you that the
same thing that you are thinking is the same thing the Nazis
of German, Oregon, and Colorado fame are thinking.
Concentrate on the really disgusting phobes and (in the
immortal words of Rodney Kink :) "can't we all just get
along?"

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
NOTE: THIS FEED GETS CUT ON 16 OCT 92... WE AIN'T GOT NO MO' MONEY :)
From: futor@llnl.gov ( TIdewater 4-1009 )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Keywords: pesky wrinkles
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:22:32 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab.
Originator: futor@diego.llnl.gov


 jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>r l reid (ro@panix.com) wrote:
> 
>> Why not silk?
>
>Wrinkles.  Remember?

Rumples, dear.  Rumples.  To further cite the Sage of Madison,
"I *like* rumps!"

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__
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:48:34 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.032501.16902@netcom.com>
jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>Wrote an opera, n'est-ce pas?

>No exact equivalent in English of "n'est-ce pas", I think. 

Wrote an opera, right?

Seems about right, n'est-ce pas?

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:02:38 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <1992Oct13.154734.3869@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
|> I thought I would just share this with you ...
|> 
|> 
|> } Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:38:32 EDT
|> } From: bfried@attmail.att.com (Burton D Fried)
|> } To: lovegod@wam.umd.edu
|> } Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
|> } Newsgroups: soc.motss
|> } In-Reply-To: <1992Oct13.132136.27014@wam.umd.edu>
|> } References: <h4mpxja@lynx.unm.edu>
|> } Organization: AT&T
|> } Cc: 
|> 
|> } You're light skinned because your great great grandmother probably
|> } asked her master to make her feel good!
|> 
|> Boys and Girls, this problem is very real.

The point is, Donald, I haven't seen trying to tell you
it *isn't* real.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gaynet and ftps
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:01:42 GMT

TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:

>Would some kind motsser please tell me how to get access to Gaynet? Also, I rea
>d something about an ftp site at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu with the "Queer Resources
> Directory," but try as I might I couldn't get the thing to accept my E-mail ad
>dress as a password.(Maybe it automatically screens out users from Alabama.) An
>y suggestions?

Here is the MANUAL I send out to people who want to know more about the QRD.
Subscriptions to Gaynet can be found at gaynet-request@gallifrey.kent.edu.

-----
Hello!

To access the Queer Resource Directory, you need to be able to use the FTP
command.

The Queer Resource Directory is found at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu. It used to be
at cambridge.apple.com. All files that were at the old site are at the new
site.

To access the QRD you must issue theses commands (anythnig in quotes):

"ftp nifty.andrew.cmu.edu"
OR
"ftp 128.2.35.7"

LOGIN: "anonymous"
PASSWORD: [enter your email address here, makesure it has an `@' symbol]

"cd /pub/QRD/qrd"

Then before you start, you should look at the README and/or GUIDE files. This
file is found in MANUAL.

"get README"
"get GUIDE"

Then you should look at those files by either leaving FTP by issuing "bye" or
"quit" or "exit". Or, you could suspend FTP by sending a "^Z" [control-Z] then
lookinbg at the files README and GUIDE on your system and then re-starting FTP
by issuing a "fg" command. Then you can "cd" to whereever you want and get the
 desired file.

Any questions should be sent to me, Ron Buckmire, at buckmr@rpi.edu.

If you would like to ADD materials to the QRD please leave them in the 
/pub/QRD/incoming directory and send me a note telling me you have done so.

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                                                                 -Harvey Milk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Why's It the Way It Is?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:49:47 GMT


Nelson points out, well, a little sliding over, let's say,
of his point.  In article <1992Oct11.041906.3741@reed.edu>
he writes

>at the risk of sounding like the clueless white boy I might
>very well be, could someone explain to me how soc.motss is a
>particularly white forum?

I had thought Ry gave a pretty good answer, and I thought
Melinda added a useful perspective on the reason it's male
oriented.

I really did think that pretty much took care of it.  But
it's not the question he wants aired.  "Why is it white?" he
wants to know.  This may not actually be his question,
either, because frankly, it still isn't clear to me what
discussion he wants to take place.

The facile answers are too obvious to be what he wants, I
would think.  

It's white because we live in a white-dominated, racist
society, one that gives overwhelming preference to white
males in being in the kinds of positions that give you
access to Usenet.  In higher education, structural racism
has tended to keep nonwhites (blacks especially) out.  Those
who could get in would be less likely to have the verbal
skills and other background (poverty and educational
disadvantage would be the main sources here, I think) that
would land them in programs providing net access.  In
business and government, the better jobs are not open,
certainly not *as* open to people of color.  I think that's
basically what Ry said, though he gives a much more
inclusive and powerful reason:

>for the same reason that all non-soc.motss/bi groups on
>usenet are strayt forums.  Think about how you define queer
>safe space.  now extrapolate.

And Melinda points out that the overall society's majority
class has minority status, which means you can count the
number of nonwhite female voices here on one hand, I think.
And you won't need more than two or three hands to add in
the black men.  Whatever the actual numbers are, they are
*vastly* below the proportionate representation of people of
color in the society as a whole.

As an aside, not just to Nelson, but to everyone, including
myself: if you want a question answered, ask *that*
question, as clearly and precisely as you possibly can, and
if people are not answering that question, that makes it
*crystal* clear you were not precise enough in stating your
issue.

<> In America, sex is an obsession, in other parts of the
<> world it is a fact. -- Marlene Dietrich
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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pickford as Desmond:  in closing
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco



-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
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hoptoad!laura
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42746 soc.bi:13627
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: MTV and me...
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:14:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

well, every time i see steve isaacs, my reaction is
"oh my goddess, not the stupid twink AGAIN!"

                                         -ailsa
                                          wishing for new VJs

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Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:04:10 GMT


In article <Bw4Duu.60K@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

>In <1992Oct14.121930.7750@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Marilyn Quayle's style:

>>All it means is that she was outfitted by Norman of Sears.

>Are you sure it's not Kenny of K-Mart?

I think you're quite likely right.  I was confused, Norman
does Barbara Bush.

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