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From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:06:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world,local
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In article <3474@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
|> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >|> Just about all consulting contracts went to British companies.  That
|> >|> is a fact you could find in say, The Nineties Magazine (June or July, 92).
|> >|> However, not all construction contracts are awarded to the British
|> >|> companies, some went to Japanese and other countries.
|> >|> -cw-
|> 
|> >I don't see why so special about it when HK is a British colonies and HK itself
|> >cannot provide the expertise. US projects would first favour US companies, 
|> >German projects would first German companies.
|> 
|> Need I say more about this person ? Grossly ignorance ? Shallow
|> mentality ? An affront to human intelligence ? or is it that
|> when the British fart, it is fragrance to him . 
|> 
|> I can't argue with a person of this kind of mentality - therefore I 
|> rest my case ! I can't make him stoop lower !

Sure, those who have nothing sensible to offer should rest their case forever.
Simple-minded folks like you are ok as long as they don't try to talk more than
they know. Your knowledge on current HK matters is shallow, still more than
you ability to comprehend though.

Lin Can
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: China not to observe Joint Declaration?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:09:43 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec4.221604.21221@objy.com>, cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> >CCP is also using HK as a bargaining chip, if the British does not conform to
|> >what CCP wishes, CCP claims that they would not observe the Joint Declaration
|> 
|> >Lin Can
|> 
|> IMHO, this is one of the biggest misunderstanding promulgated by the media.
|> I do think the media has done a terrible job in interpreting what Zhu RonJi
|> has said in London.
|> 
|> If you read the original Chinese statement made by Zhu and the context of his
|> statement, you'll se what I mean.  From the point of view of Chinea, Patten's
|> proposal has violated the letter and spirit of the Joint Declaration 
|> and Basic Laws.  Stopping short of accusing the British violating the agreement, 
|> Zhu asked rhetorically: Joint Declaration hai yew bu yew jin sho? [I am 
|> embarassed by my pinyin :-)].  The English translation is: Do [[ ]] still want 
|> to compy with the Joint Declaration?  The Chinese language does not have to 
|> have the subject, so [[ ]] is not explicitly stated.  However, it
|> is quite clear that he means [[ British ]] in his question. In stead of accusing
|> the British outright, he softened it to be a rhetorical question.  
|> 
|> I was in HK when this happened.  Initially, the HK media has made the same mistake
|> as the western media in the interpretation, and the stock market drop sharply. The 
|> next day, when many people realize what Zhu actually has said, the stock market 
|> rebounded quite a bit. (Of course, the drop and rebound is nothing compared with
|> the last several days).
|> 
|> So Zhu is not such a bad guy afterall.
|>  -cw-

If Zhu is a good politican at all, he would not have said such thing which is
quite irresponsible. One shouldn't need to guess the interpretation, if 
"so many media made the same mistake" then I am not sure who made the mistake
first.

Lin Can
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From: jfong@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Y. Fong)
Subject: Re: looking_for_boyfriend
Keywords: looking_for_boyfriend
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:39:00 GMT

In article <9235211.6209@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Kee Hoe LEONG) writes:
>Hello:
> My name is Jenny Wong and i am an Australian Chinese (from Hong Kong).
> I am an Uni first year commerce student (1992). I study in Melbourne,vic.
> I am looking for a boyfriend age 23 or over. If anyone interested ,mail to
> wjenny@nyx.cs.du.edu ,tell me about your address(mail),e_mail address,
> age,height and occupation.
>
>
>
> with love,
> jenny Wong.
> _____________

Humm...I think you may get more response if you ask this at YES! magazine.

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From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Articles from pro-Chinese Government jerks.
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:15:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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In article <1fuce7INN4r9@tamsun.tamu.edu>, x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
|> I have a feeling that the original author has no clue about what
|> Democracy is. have you heard the infamous McCarthyism in the US?
|> Just because somebody disagree with you, he must be CCP spy?!
|> Are n't you doing exactly the same thing. Do you realize CCP also
|> does good things(which is why CCP got power and still enjoys a 
|> lot of support). A lot of us happen to think CCP is right in this
|> HK issue( I think CCP is doing what is good for HK and China).
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why are you so eager to think for other people instead of letting others to
decide for themselves?  I think CCP will not be any good for HK at least.

|> Do you know that bitter medicine is actually good for you. Watch
|> out for the smiling candy man!

Do you know that some toxic drugs are also bitter?


Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: 91278446@cphkvx.cphk.hk
Subject: MESSAGE FOR HK READERS
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:39:45 GMT

Dear all HK readers:

I am also a HK students studying at CPHK. I would like to have some
communication with other HK tertiary institutes' students. 

The reason I post this message in here is I don't know whether other 
institutes have public channels for outsiders to post messages or not. 
But I really have some problems about our institutes' computer network 
which I think you may help me. So if you see this and want to give me 
a help, please send me a message through BITNET. 

In fact, if you don't have such knowledge but want to have communication 
with me, you are wellcome to send me a message too.

At last, wishing all of you "MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR":):):)


Michael Lai
91278446@CPHKVX.BITNET
91278446@CPHKVX.CPHK.HK
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:45:30 GMT
Organization: Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: strider.hw.stratus.com

O.K.  Funky Cheung posts his last R-rated joke of 1992.

15 Things you too may be overheard saying in the darkroom
----------------------------------------------------------
  
  1.  Hey hey, careful with that thing.
  2.  You can't expose it to the light.
  3.  Is it stiff yet?
  4.  Don't open the door.
  5.  I can't get it in.
  6.  How much time is left?
  7.  I just can't enlarge it to that size.
  8.  Would you like to see my exposures?
  9.  Don't go anywhere, we're not finished yet.
  10. Use the bath to get rid of the slime.
  11. So how does it go in there?
  12. It doesn't work the way you say?
  13. Check the chart.
  14. Oh honey, there goes the buzzer.
  15. I always prefer maunual enlarging.

Copied from somebody else.

Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.
From: Kelvin.Leung@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: X'mas and worshiping white god.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:49:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I do agree that "merry X'mas" might not be a politically correct term.
Nonetheless, please don't generalise and label God (and Jesus) as 
"White-God."  To say the very least, Jesus was a middle-east person,
not a white person.  Please get your facts straight before complaining.
Thank you.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin 
not e-mailing from dartmouth.edu


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From: hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Can we judge CCP based on the bad side only?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:50:36 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec9.155028.27591@wuecl.wustl.edu> esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
>Can we judge everything based on its bad side?
>
>

Name a few good things about CCP, so we can make judgement based on 
them.

T. C.
From: weig@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Warning to CCP Running Dogs
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:00:19 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <3484@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
> 
>>In <75583@apple.apple.COM> lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai) writes:
> 
>>>This is an important point, these jerks are running dog for ccp, not
>>>for China. We fall into their trick if we let them claim they are
>>>looking after the interest of China. They are not. They are just looking
>>>after the interest of the ccp mafia master. That is why I change this
>>>subject to ccp running dog.
> 
>>Agree entirely.  What I find interesting is how history is
> 
> Anthony, this article doesn't quite sound like from you. I
> read many articles of yours before you are dragged into this
> 'flame war', and I have the opinion that you are a more
> sensible person.
> For one thing the words 'running dogs' even myself (suppose
> to be 'antique ' in thinking) would not use.
> 

Do you think you are more sensible than Anthony by posting the above personal
advice (or rather an attempt to embarrass) on the net? Why didn't you use 
email? 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:51:22 GMT

In article <3477@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
> 
>>You seems to be only able to yell other people but without points.
>>I don't know what is you purposes of posting these things here?
> 
> Yelling ? Of course not ! Hiding your head under the thick
> colonial skirts would be able to hear anyway ! What's for
> wasting my throat ?
> 
> Apparently another arrogant Hongkie who collaborates with
> Lin Can to defend his 'master'. Colonial rule certainly
> has done irrepairable damage to one's brain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
You made me understand more on what was happening during 
culture revolution!
Please don't waste my time for arguments without any
new knowledge for me.

Raymond Kwok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jeffzhao@sound.demon.co.uk (Jeff Zhao Jeffreys)
ReplyTo: jeffzhao@sound.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: smoking
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.19 $
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:45:50 +0000


In article <29203.2B2A1DA0@puddle.fidonet.org> Simon.S..Chan@f427.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Simon S. Chan) writes:

> > Even though it is a bad habit, I don't see why those smokers have to
> > quit.
> > You said why carry it on?  Because we, smokers, no matter we are heavy
> > smokers
> > or not, don't feel like quiting it.  Alright!  We got to die sooner or
> > later.
> > If you don't smoke, you may not die from lung cancer.  Hmmm, maybe heart
> > attrack or other disease.  Anyway, you have to die one way or the other.
What you got to remember is that it is Xsmokers who are the ones that
object to smoking more than never smokers, this makes most of them hippocrits!
 if you want to smoke bad as it is its ok with me.
if you give up or never smoke then very wise, but if you have a go at others
for doing what you did, then this is smoker revenge, for the xsmokers that
gave them a bad time before.
I have never smoked, and I have had girl friends who have, apart from the taste
in there mouths they were not worse people for it.
its ok to own a gun and its up to the own whether he wants to use it on 
himself, thats ok, but if he uses it on others then its upto his concions,
the traffic in HK or manchester, or london, is more detrimental to your lungs the  passive
smoking.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:57:18 GMT

In article <mKS=!Y@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
> 
>                      Chinese Running Dog

[background deleted]

> 
> China's nightmare started from British invasion, the infamous 
> Opium War. It is well known that China was forced to give Hong Kong 
> to Britian as a British colony and as a base to import opium to 
> China. Today, American politicians fight hard against the organized
> crime of drug dealers. They see the future of American will
> be ruined by the drugs. The American dream will be ruined by
> drugs. Yes. Their conclusion is very true. A perfect example
> is not any country else but China. And I would like to point 
> out here that the biggest organized crime organization for 
> drug dealers in the history is not anyone else, but
> 
>              BRITISH GOVERNMENT.
> 
> With their military power, British government forced
> China to import opium to poison Chinese people and ruined
> Chinese future. Today, many people blame CCP for China's
> problem. But I suggest all of you read Dr. Sun Zhong
> San (Dr. Sun Yet-sen?)'s book "Three people'ism". This
> book is based on Dr. Sun's lectures in 1924. One can see
> very clearly that the situation of China at that time.
> In his lectures, Dr. Sun expressed his deep worries about
> the existance of Chinese people in the future. Yes, with
> 50 years poison from Britain, China was in a hell.

[something deleted]

> 
> years ago. I praised Dr. Sun Zhong San and KMT for overthrowing
> the emperors of China. I praise President Jiang and KMT for leading
> China to defeat Japanese invasion. Today, I praise CCP for
> their fighting against British government and restore the
> sovereign power of China in Hong Kong.
> 
> I would like to tell openly that I am proud to receive the
> honor of Chinese running dog and I will consider it is the
> highest honor I receive in my life. Thank you, British 
> running dogs.
> 
> 
> J Chen
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Michigan
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I have no doubt to blame UK for the Opium War.  However,
when treated it as history, the following points are my 
understanding of what Opium War telling me:

(1) Mis-understanding of the world (China), 
(2) Internal-structural problems (China),
(3) Use force to solve problems without moral support (UK).

I don't think there will be any good to suppress British just 
because of the history.

Raymond Kwok

Note:  What have you done for your posting?  I cannot use FOLLOWUP.

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From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: ILHC News 12/15/92
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:02:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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After contemplating for the past few weeks, the Doctors of ILHC have
decided to continue their services for our fellow netters.  However,
because most of the doctors will not have internet access during winter
break, all ILHC activities will be halted until next semester.  However,
feel free to send me your stories, questions, etc.etc.etc, throughout
the winter break since I've decided to continue as the coordinator of
ILHC.
Thankyou for your patience.
I will also work on an FAQ for ILHC describing submission protocols,
the ILHC disclaimers, etc.etc.etc. 
Stay tuned, ILHC fans.


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From: j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Subject: Re: * Accusations *
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:11:50 GMT

caleb@soda.berkeley.edu (Caleb Chan) writes:

> 
> To all those who make stereotyped accusations (running dog etc.)
> about Hong Kong people:
> 
> I hope you realize thawhwhile there are 6 millions Hong Kong people
> 
> I stress again that we NEED HELP. It is most indignitary for you to
> "add oil to the fire". You didn't just insult us, you've also insulted
> your own intelligence.
> 

  D  I  T  T  O

I think Caleb is right on the ball.  Most of this flame war (which has 
been protracted over quite a while) has been unproductive immature 
squabbling.  Come to think of it, it's much like the actual picture 
between the two nations in question.
Anyway, I agree that what HK and HK people need is help.  Anyone not 
offering help or being helpful (and please do not argue about the 
semantics of the term "help", coz' all of you know exactly what I mean) 
is in fact playing a destructive and unwanted role in the discussions.
With regard to Caleb's pointing out that there are only 6 million or so 
in HK, the picture becomes clearer for us when considering the debate; it 
is similar to a normal person (assume he weighs 100lbs) facing the 
immediate prospect of having to deal with a 19200lb giant just north of 
your home.  Anyone not thinking that the 100lb weakling needs help 
instead of insults is welcome to speak up against this posting; but I 
think the rest of us will unfortunately have made up our minds whether or 
not to listen to such a line of argument.

And one more thing...be nice.  Have a safe and happy Christmas.  Way to 
go Caleb.

Jon

j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: testing :)
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:44:32 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

Kelvin.Leung@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>       Hi gang.  I am using Samson's BBS and fidonet to access soc.culture.
>hongkong right now.  All is fine, all is fine, no one hijacked my plane
>or anything... if everything goes well, I shall be meeting Samson on
>Wednesday.  We should be visiting those organizations shortly--keep your
>fingers crossed. :)

Kelvin, thanks for NOT forgetting us in SCHK when you are in HK.
And thank you for taking the Global Volunteer Database to all the 
International Study Center.  I think once the potential students get 
to know the existence of this valuable tools and they learn to
e-mail all their "big brothers and big sisters", the 
power of the GVD will really show!!!! 

>I WANT MY NN AND VI BACK!  --NOW--!!! ;)
They are just lovely darling, aren't they? :)

P.S. tell Samson to add a few more phone lines to his board. :)
-- 
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From: yew48303@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Elaine YickLing Wong )
Subject: Re: driver's license to drive in HK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:02:09 GMT

	What you need is an international driver's licence issued by
	the AAA (American Automobile Association)

	Go to the nearest AAA in your area. I think you need $10 US	
	and 2 passport photos. Then they will ask you to fill out a 	
	form there. They will issue the international driver's licence
	for you right away. It's good for 1 year.

	Simple enough?
	
	But keep in mind, you need to bring your US driver's licence
	as well as the int'l one with you while you drive in HK. 
	
	Have fun in HK! (I'm sure you will!  =)   )

Elaine Wong



onlaw@taiping.oakhill.uucp (Wai-On Law) writes:
>Does anyone know if a foreign resident needs an international driver's
>license to drive in HK?  I have a US driver's license already and I am
>going back to HK for a month.  Thanks.

>On
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