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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Technicals (Was Re: Worst ACC Refs: )
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:03:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <6926@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
<
<Famous Laettner technicals:
<  Touching the ball after a made Duke basket, playing UNC last year.  A truly
<lame T, in my opinion, but it was demanded by Dean Smith.  Duke players have
<the annoying habit of doing this, possibly to slow down the other team or at
<least annoy them.  Of course, Paparo undoubtedly told the players to cool it,
<but it's a Laettner reflex and he got nailed.  I've never seen this T called
<in any other game I've watched.

Actually, J.R. Reid got nailed on this in there famous encounter with 
Loyola Marymount in the NCAA's.  It was about the only thing they did wrong
that day.  Didn't somebody break UNC's NCAA Tourney FG% record from that
game during last year's tourney?

<  Hanging on the rim @Wake Forest last year.  This was just dumb, as Laettner
<was slowing his momentum.  billy Packer suspected it was called because 
<Laettner was screaming with joy as he made the dunk (probably his usual
<"F*ck, motherf*ck, yeah!")

Remembering that play, I'm sure that was the reason.  I doubt if Cherokee
gets too many of those this year.

<   I'm not sure if Paparo was reffing either of these games.
<  And of course, there was the silly situation where Timberlake clearly 
<assaulted  Laettner's sneaker with his stomach.  Unbelievable.

A little known fact that was never much discussed was the magnet they 
discovered that had been sown in Laettner's shoe.  Turns out
Timberlake had swallowed a nail as a three year old that never passed
through his system.  Those Kentucky folks are pretty unscrupulous.


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From: dd76@umail.umd.edu (Deborah D)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UMass or UMASS!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:28:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland - Zoology

Well then, how do you pronounce Amherst?
From: harrison@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (David Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: recruiting news
Keywords: McInnes
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:25:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.17240

For those fans of Carolina bball, I am hearing reports that J. McInnes has
committed verbally to attend school at Carolina. I don't think this a surprise
for most of us, but you can't always depend on rumors during recruiting. 
Just imagine Stackhouse, McInnes, Montross, Phelps, and Williams/Davis at their
full potential on the court at the same time!!!
I will postmore details when I get them.
harrison@cs.unc.edu......I supplied screwdrivers to Curtis while he was here.
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky VS Louisville
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:57:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Crum signed a 4 or 5 year contract last year, so he'll likely be around
for quite some time.  Also, Louisville did manage to pull off a Tourney
win last year for the first time in years, so one would hope team chemistry
is improving.  I just want to see UK or UofL win another title before I
graduate. ;)

Looking forward to the Big Game,
Mike
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From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Re: All-Name Teams
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:35:12 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.220053.1174@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
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|>From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
|>Subject: Re: All-Name Teams
|>Organization: AT&T
|>Distribution: na
|>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:00:53 EST
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|>In article <6768@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
|>>
|>> On a lighter, non ACC-megaposting note, here are my carefully crafted
|>>   All-Name teams:
|>>
|>
|>	All-Fish:
|>	Kendall Gill?
|>
|>	All bodily function:
|>	Bobby Hurly?
      
        How bout Kelly Tripucka?

RC
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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Who is the worst ref?
Originator: jagreath@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:01:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.145716.29580@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
|>In article 6821@news.duke.edu, djz@acpub.duke.edu (DAVID ZAVELSON) writes:
|>>|I second the vote for Lenny Wurts as the worst ref. Why is it
|>>|he always has to ref the Duke vs. UNC game!!!! 


|>Yeah, I'd go with Lenny, and Dick Paparo(sp?) helping.  Blind leading the blind...

Another for Wurtz and Paparo.  And add Moose Stubing of the WAC in there
as the third on the floor.  Three blind mice, three blind mice.  See how they
run, see how they run....


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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: Polls, polls, polls
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:13:21


R.Cough writes:

> The McNews/CNN Preseason Top 25:

> Others: tOSU 93

seems reasonable (essentially #26) though maybe a touch on the high side.


> Jeff Sagarin's Preseason Top 25:
> 
> 1. Indiana		96.26	14. Michigan		88.70
> 2. Duke 		95.55
> 3. Kansas		95.26
> 4. Arizona		93.35
> 5. UNLV		91.94
> 6. Ohio State		91.81
> 
> I assume this poll is based on last season's performances, because that's
> the only way it makes any sense.

I'll say.  Ohio State #6!?!  I thought Jeff took graduation into account in
his preseason rankings?  Maybe someone didn't tell him OSU has lost 4 of 5
starters this year.  Perhaps he's added some logic to try and account for
new players who weren't on the team last year.

I can pretty much guarantee that this will be the only poll*, all year long
where Ohio State is ranked 8 spots ahead of Michigan.


* - I know it's not a true poll, but them's just semantics


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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Student seating
Organization: ^$
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:00:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.202031.6648@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:
>
>
>
>        at the Univ of Texas - San Antonio ( yes we do play
>        BBall)  there are two student sections, both at
>        opposet ends of the court but directly behind the
>        bench.  I can assume the reasoning is for the section
>        behind the opposing bench is to ridicule them and
>        to have them lose their consentration on the game
>        and the assumption of why there is a student section
>        directionly behind the home bench is to give them

 Are you sure you're not an Aggie?  ;)

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: All Time Vandy-Team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:57:19 GMT
Keywords: Combinatorial Explosion

rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>Guard - Barry Goheen (who else has ever hit more miracle shots?)

	I cannot believe how many great shots this man has hit.  I 
	remember the year in which he hit either game-winning or game
	tying shots in something like 4 games, including one that beat
	then #1 North Carolina in the 87-88 season (it's the shot that
	coupled w/ Kentucky's victory over Indiana in the 1st Big-4
	classic, propelled UK to #1).  And then his shot that tied the
	game vs. Pitt in the NCAAs.  Unbelievable!

>Honorable mentions
>Will Purdue
>Jeff Turner  (our Olympian)

	How about Frank Kornet?  He had a solid senior campaign.  Barry
	Booker is another candidate.

	Jazzy J

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From: 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Alec D. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Villanova Roster is looking tough.
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:26:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


Villanova Basketball looked very good at Midnight Madness. The looks 
pumped and should do well this year. The easy schedule should help
us get 20 wins easily.

later

alec at Villanova

I Have a dream...Where people are judged not on the colour of their skin, but 
by the content of their character.(Martin Luther King)              
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Disclaimer = I speak for myself and my views are my own. Villanova University
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: re:E. Carolina recruit reneges will attend NCSU
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.141501.1297@ncsu.edu> currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN) writes:
>
>Oh did I forget to write East Carolina? Jason Sutton has changed his committment
>and will attend NCSU. Brick Oettinger had described him as a very good catch
>for ECU on a radio show last week.
>
>RC
What might be described as a good catch for ECU might only be a so-so 
catch for an ACC team!
 
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith to Wisconsin
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:07:23 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.141835.20457@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, hallg@egr.msu.edu (Greg Hall) writes:
|> Path: ryn.mro4.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!decabo.abo.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!frith.egr.msu.edu!hallg
|> From: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Greg Hall)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> Subject: Rashard Griffith to Wisconsin
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov11.141835.20457@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
|> Date: 11 Nov 92 14:18:35 GMT
|> References: <1992Nov9.144236.7827@newstand.syr.edu>
|> Sender: news@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu
|> Reply-To: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Greg Hall)
|> Distribution: usa
|> Organization: Michigan State University
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|> Originator: hallg@frith.egr.msu.edu
|> 
|> I read in the paper that Rashard Griffith will sign with Wisconsin the first
|> day of the early signing period.  Good luck Badgers.
|> 
|> Greg Hall
|> Michigan State University
|> 
Heard it. Did it. Been there. Saw it. etc...
From: v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: SU
Keywords: suspension
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know if they are rated, even if they are on probation?

Mr. Bungle  
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Worst ACC Refs:  You damn rooks - by Curtis Hill
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:29:40 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov13.175450.10830@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <74732@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Nov13.153407.6935@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>> >
>> >Don't forget the little kiddies kicking each other, too!  That's
>> >what I remember about junior soccer - getting kicked a lot.  Made
>> >me feel like Timberlake.
>> 

Kicking each other, eh?  Make's me nostalgic for...um...well...this
morning, I guess.  Kind of pathetic actually.

I don't think Lemurs kick people...but I know that famous
DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM!ist Percival Knewell once kicked
a Jujy Fruit box 87 yards.  Of course he was hopped up on
goofballs at the time, so we can't really take his word for
it, but the symbolism!  The symbolism!  The symbolism really
sucked printer cables!  Wow!  That event is largely considered
one of the most non-symbolic failures of any philosopher to
make a postmodern statement using only a candy container and
a foot.

ObRyanResponse: My brain does not hurt, except when someone
tips over the jar and spills it onto the ground.
ObCollegeFootball: Knewell kicked this Jujy Fruit box on the
football field at the University of Southern North Dakota
at Hoople.  Or, if he was lying, he did NOT kick the Jujy Fruit
box on the football field at the University of Southern North
Dakota at Hoople, and never was in Hoople in his life and in
fact died at the age of 7.
ObCollegeBasketball: He pukes, he scores!
ObLemurs: Hey!  I don't have to have an ObLemurs because I
mentioned it in the post!  What a novel idea!       

	Jason
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: FAB FIVE is back in Ann Arbor
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:23:30 GMT

Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I thought Chris Webber was on academic probation or something like that.


	Where did U get this idea?
	Chris Webber was a big-time honor student in high school, and in
	fact, is a Literature major at the university.  He scored over 1300's
	on his SATs, and when asked what he wanted to do as a career, he
	answered "I want to be a writer".  Chris is a hard-working student,
	so I would doubt he's anywhere close to being on academic probation.

	Jazzy J
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From: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: True Blue Madness
Reply-To: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.134241.29655@meaddata.com>, richt@meaddata.com (Rich Thompson) writes:
|> In article <Bx5w4K.464@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Nov2.215153.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl128256@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
|> |> >I see little about the probable creator of midnight madness 'Kentucky' and
|> |> >it was a good one this year as it has been for many a year.
|> |> >
|> |> >		jd
|> |> >
|> |> 
|> |> I don't think anyone went to Kentucky's Midnight Madness this year... ESPN
|> |> had a Moster Truck Rally on at the same time....Decisions...Decisions...
|> |> 
|> 
|> I saw a small story in the Dayton Daily News about it.  They said it was
|> quite a success this year.  They had 8,000 in attendance and had to turn 
|> away more than that.  Can anyone post more details, please!!??
|> 
|> Rich
|> --

Please 8000 is a drop in the bucket,  KU,  i.e. Kansas University had 15,800 in attendance, trust
me on this I was there.   I am sure that at the universities with larger capacity must have had
more in attendance.   Midnight madness is one of the best nights of the year.  I travel every very
from Chicago just for the practice.

		Craig Thompson
 
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|> I bet you were expecting a disclaimer here, weren't you?
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Worst ACC Refs:  You damn rooks - by Curtis Hill
Reply-To: star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org (Curtis Hill)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:16:38 GMT


Note: This item is posted on behalf of Curtis Hill, who is currently
	without the ability to post.


I'm so glad that many of my ACC brethren can pick on the obvious targets
of Wirtz and Paparo when singling out bad refereeing.


How about you guys listing some of the guys who really aren't that great.
I'm no huge fan of Paparo and Wirtz, but they are fair (mostly) and
consistent (surprisingly).

Paparo tends to try to be too much of the show, but he's good at keeping
a running dialog with the players.  And he called technicals on Laettner.
(FYI, if Laettner was in the ACC this year, he'd probably rack up 2 T's
per game with his mouth.  It's a new point of emphasis this year.)

Wirtz annoys me with his calls, but they are consistent.  Sort of like
an umpire with a bad, but consistent strike zone.  The T on Calipari
during the East Regional was out of line, though.

A short list of really outstanding ACC refs:

Frank Scagliotta - I get very annoyed during the ACC games he refs.  Once
I was watching a SEC game and thought "who's reffing this game"?  It
was Scagliotta.  He does appear to do better in SEC games, but I don't know
why.

Donnee Grey - lots of mistakes out there.

John Moreau - makes Wirtz look like Joe Forte.

Rusty Herring - no comment

ACC refs I like include:  Steve Gordon, Tim Higgins, er, er, um,
oh yeah, Gerry Donaghy.  But they let Gerry go 2 years back.  And, gee,
who was reffing the national championship last year...mmmm, Gerry Donaghy???


Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Ted Kitchell
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:50:53 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>>what ever happened to Ted Kitchell?
>>
>>He tended to be pretty
>>scathing and sarcastic, which at times was funny, but at times wasn't.

>Doesn't he post pro-hoosier comments to the net from time to time?
>Ah no, it's his uncle Sid.

	Who is this "Ted Kitchell" you guys are talking about? The
greatest 3-point shooter in NCAA history is named "Ted Kitchel". 

	As usual gidi is completely off base. I have never been
accused of being Ted's uncle. However, I was walking out of the
Superdome after a certain very Smart shot in 1987. In order to support
IU well, I was wearing my lucky T-shirt, which had never been to an IU
loss. Surprise!, surprise!: it is red. On the front it has the script
"Indiana" and on the back, it says "KITCHEL" across the top and has a
big, white "30" in the center. I was speeding to Bourbon Street for
appropriate activities, when this guy taps me on the shoulder and in
fairly plain Hoosier says (and I translate) "Are you Ted's dad??"
Needless to report, I was taken aback and muttered back: "No I'm not.
It's Ted's number and my name. We're not related."

	For the record, Ted is still on TV. He is not the host of WTTV's
Pre-IU telecast -- they have some strange-looking dweeb for that. But
he is the color and sarcasm guy. Ted and I do share a very strange
sense of humor -- maybe we are related????

							--Sid



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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith/Purdue/Tem Dam/oops!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:14:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.125112.17015@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>Notice how Tem Dam signed with Purdue right after this Griffith
>announcement?  My guess is he would have gone elsewhere had Griffith chosen
>Purdue, since his playing time would have been limited.  Smart guy...
>
>Purdue's tradition of big stiffs continues...

	But Brian, DALE BROWN wanted Ten Dam badly!!!  That legitimizes
	him!  
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