From: JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
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Subject: Re: New kid on the block...
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:42:00 GMT
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> Shadow #185
>
> all,
>
>   Some pretty hot discussions on this message area. I, being a Rush
> Limbaugh fan and a Christian, know that my point of views are right. How
> can you even compare the death penalty of someone that has commited a
> heinous crime to the unnecessary and unwarranted pain that is involved
> in the abortion of a baby?

what kind of Christian are you?  Nat Hentoff is an atheist and is
against abortion while being for many things anti-abortion people
despise.  Several Christian religions support the right of abortion,
along with a large number of Roman Catholics alongs with some Jewish
sects.  Most religions on the other hand don't like the death penalty
and see it is heinous especially with the reasons behind the crimes.
Robert said child abuse should be a capital offense, since the
individual should pay for their crimes.  Besides the idea of insanity,
he doesn't seem to care about the reason of child abuse -- the abuser
was usually abused.  This is sad, it is not evil.

> And who told you that most of the abortions are done on 8 week old
> fetuses? What a crock. Abortion in the state of IL are legal to 24

legality doesn't mean people have abortions in great numbers at this
stage (incidentally, it's "viability", the dividing line put forth by
Roe v. Wade).  If you don't agree with statistics etc. don't buy my 8
week number, but that's the number folks, check it out.  Next comes
90% before the 12th week, which takes in those who come late in
knowing about the abortion, need time to decide/pay, etc.  Next comes
99% at 20 weeks, most late abortions are the poor or teenage who via
ignorance or poverty take time to get abortions or know their pregnant
state.  Finally, the final 1% are various exceptions, and usually
those who find out if their fetuses have birth defects.  Evil types
who don't want children who are seriously handicaped to come into the
world.

> weeks. Do you know what a 24 week old baby looks like?  I am having my

again 8 weeks I mentioned what the embyro looked like.  Primitive
nervous system, brain formation about beginning, and pain quick if
present in any great amount.  As the fetus develops (again in an ideal
society the stuff that lead to later abortions will end esp. with
RU-(some #) bill which is kept out even with its great medical
potential from this country), things change.  You balance the world
and control of body with this.  You decide how much of a matyr you are
to a soceity who will treat you and your child badly in many cases.

> Does anyone of the pro-death mind have the same open mindedness to look
> at the other side of the issue? No, I think not.  But just in case,

repeat after me.  "No one likes abortions.  They want a world with
contraceptives and society that will treat children with their basic
needs.  They are not selfish thugs." Thank you.


> there is a rather enlightening book on this issue, "GRAND ILLUSIONS the
> legacy of Planned Parenthood"  by George Grant.
>
Planned Parenthood is a demon to be sure.  Now put aside its abortion
choice, and we have #1 contraceptives and family planning #2 care for
pregnant women esp. poor #3 education on sexual education #4 treatment
of VD. Their idol is Margaret Sanger who was sick and tired of seeing
the poor suffering and introduced birth control to them.

>    Gee, I feel much better.
>
>                         Jennifer Moyers
>
So do I.  Get the facts, and maybe you have more of a reason to feel
good.

   -Joe
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