From: hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: interview with Gulbadeen Hikmat Yar (fwd)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:10:21 -0600
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Assalam-o-alaikum

    Here is Interview of Brother  Gulbadeen  Hikmat Yar. This interview was
taken by Muhammad Javed Mirza on 10th of October in CHAHAR ASIAB near Kabul.
He mailed me the copy of that interview and I am reproducing it.

Shaukat Ali Bhatti
_________________________________
Sbhatti@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu



          Bismillah -hir- rahman-ir-raheem

Q.  After the fall of Najeeb's  government, the media 
controlled by the U.S. and its stooges in the Muslim
World gave the impression that the Jihad in Afghanis-
tan is over (probably Jihad was meant to remove Comm-
unists and not to establish an  Islamic  government).
Peshawar  Accord was portrayed as a smooth transition
from  communism to  an  Islamic  State.  However, the
events  after the  Najeeb's  fall  have  shocked many 
simple muslims. They label it as a fight of a brother
with other brother.  In the New World Order, you have
been labelled as a terrorist because you stand against
their interests.  Would you  please  elaborate on the
events after Najeeb's fall?  Specifically:
What is Peshawar Accord?  Was there any compulsion in
this accord ?  And have you broken the peace truce or
was it done by other parties?  And why the two govern-
ments have failed to remove the ex-communists from the
power?

Hikmat Yar: As you know that enemies of Islam are not
willing  to  see  any  true Islamic State, especially 
established by  Mujahideen  and through  Jihad.  When
they thought that now the  communist regime of Najeeb
is going to  fall and the  Mujahideen will take over,
they tried to stop the Mujahideen from establishing an
Islamic  State in  Afghanistan  through their conspi-
racies.  They are trying that the communist party, and
especially the generals should remain in power.  They
should  bring  these  elements  together with some so
called Mujahideen parties in alliance.  They were aim-
ing that within this alliance the army generals of the
ex-communist  regime will be the main force  and they
can keep these elements in power, just the outer shape
of  this  regime  will  be changed and some so called
Mujahideen will enter the government.  But after  few
months, within this alliance these Mujahideen  groups
will also be weakened and parties outside the alliance
will not be able to remain an armed force.  The comm-
unist  elements  will  strengthen  their position and
finally, they will be able to take over the power once
again.  Unfortunately, they were able to convince some
Mujahideen parties to  enter this alliance.  This was
decided in their central committee.
     The communist party was divided into two groups.
One of them was  insisting  that the  power should be
transferred to  Mujahideen and government established
by Mujahideen or government established by U.N. thro-
ugh negotiations with Mujahideen parties. The second
group was in favor of an alliance. Most of the generals
were in favor of that, especially followers of Babrak
Karmal, including  Rasheed Dostum,  general commander
of militia forces.  But the force was in the hands of
this group and they were able to disarm those  people
who were insisting a transfer of power to Mujahideen-
Najeeb was  also one  of them.  They  started sending
their troops to Kabul, the alliance troops,  while we
were negotiating in Peshawar- to have an interim gov-
ernment.  Our proposal was that we should have an in-
terim government of the people acceptable to all  for
the power to be  transferred  to  elected government.
While we were negotiating in Peshawar with other par-
ties, this  conspiracy was going on in  Kabul and the
troops of that alliance were coming to Kabul. We left
Peshawar and enter Afghanistan to this conspiracy. We
threaten the government that if  power is not  trans-
ferred to Mujahideen government, we will attack them.
Finally, they were force to transfer the power to the
interim arrangements of Mujahideen.  As you know that
on 25th of April, Kabul was captured by Mujahideen of
Hizbi-Islami.  That day we announced at once that now
all the  Mujahideen parties should  come together and
work  for peace, and we  invite  Mujahideen's interim
government to  come and  take over.  We don't want to
impose the  government of  our  party by force on our
nation.  We wanted to file this  conspiracy and power
to be  transferred to  Mujahideen's government.  Now,
the government of  Najeeb is finished, we  invite the
interim leadership to come and takeover and we respect
Peshawar Accord.  But the  communist generals  wanted
that the main power should remain in their hands. They
started fighting the next day.  This was the starting
point of  new clashes in Afghanistan.  After that the
clashes are going on in Afghanistan.  We  do not want
to impose the  government of our choice by force upon
our people.   We want  that such circumstances should
be created in which our nation should be able to det-
ermine their future.   They  should have a government
of their own choice - no governments to be imposed on
tanks - coup d'etat or through conspiracies.  This is
all what we want.
     Now,  we insist  that  all Militia troops should
withdraw from Kabul and the communist elements should
be removed from the government. All army units of the
previous regime should be finished and a  new Islamic
army should be  established.  An  interim arrangement
should be made through negotiations among our Mujahi-
deen parties and through a council in which people of
all districts are  represented and  within six months
elections  to be  held and power to be transferred to
elected government.  This is all what we insist.
     There were  lots of  agreements.  Unfortunately,
other side has not respected these agreements. Pesha-
war Accord,  then an  agreement between us and Jamiat
Islami - after that the decisions of peace committee.
All of these supported  our  position, e.g. the peace
committee  has  announced their decision that militia
troops  should be removed from Kabul and all units of
previous army  should be dissolved and the  communist
elements should be  removed from the government.  The
security of  Kabul city  should be  arranged by Kabul
Jihadi Council - Mujahideen of Kabul.
     We support all and ask the other side to respect
them.  The  peace committee  decided  that within one
week after the agreement was signed, the withdrawal of
militia should start from Kabul.  But  unfortunately,
until  now  no troops have been  removed  from Kabul.
This is our position. We respect all the accords, all
the  agreements and  ask other side  to respect them.
Actually, this  was a  conspiracy against Mujahideen.
Those who are not willing to see  an Islamic State in
Afghanistan- Mujahideen ruling the country- are behind
this conspiracy.  As  you see in all eastern European
countries, after the fall of Soviet Union, all commu-
nist governments have finished, all communist parties
dissolved.  But  here  in  the  Islamic Republics  as
Turkistan,  Tajakistan,  Uzbakistan,  Kazakistan  and
other Islamic Republics, previous governments are rul-
ing, communist parties are ruling as nothing has happ-
ened.  Western  mass media are  not talking about it.
Why still the communist party is  ruling these count-
ries.  Why  no change  and the  previous system here.
America is supporting these communist parties.  Inst-
ead of  Islamic governments  in these Republics, they
want communists to remain there.  The  Muslim Freedom
Fighters in Tajakistan are accusing the American that
they are supporting the communist party even by weap-
ons.  They are saying that we have captured some wea-
pons not Russian made and America is supporting comm-
unist party against us.  Here  in Afghanistan, we are
facing the same problem.  The  Western mass media  is
completely  propagating in favor of  militia forces.
Now, they  have been  termed to be  freedom fighters,
democratic forces  and  they are  talking against us,
propagating against us - We are  causing  instability
in Afghanistan, arms  struggle while these people who
were  fighting  our nation for fourteen years and are
still behind tanks are in fact causing war in Afghan-
istan.   America is  afraid of  an  Islamic State  in
Afghanistan and through Mujahideen.  They want insta-
bility to continue, fighting to continue and even they
are ready to see previous communist party to  rule in
Afghanistan.  This is all what is going on is Afghan-
istan.

Q:  You  have a  very  just stand, as we have seen in
Algeria that even the choice of the people was  over-
turned by the army.  In the CIA documents it is writ-
ten that if America cannot get its work done by popu-
lar government, they always bring the army.  So, they
want to play the same game in Afghanistan.  The point
is that why  Ustad Rabbani  has failed to  understand
this point?

Hikmat Yar:  Unfortunately, I should say that  either
Ustad Rabbani is not aware of all these facts and does 
not understand what is going on or he has decided  to 
get into power through conspiracies and he has enter-
ed in this alliance with communists.  He is insisting 
that they should remain in Kabul, while he has agreed 
several times and has signed documents  that  militia
should withdraw from Kabul.  He is still not fulfill-
ing his responsibilities and is saying that  we  want 
to delay the withdrawal of militia troops from  Kabul 
while he himself is saying that people were waging  a 
coup de ta (spelling?) against him.  He is not  in  a 
position to disclose the names of these generals  and 
at a proper time he will disclose them.  He  is  also 
saying that during  his  last  fighting  one  of  the 
generals of Rasheed Dostum, by the  name  of  General 
Majeed called upon him by telephone saying that Rash-
eed Dostum has sent a convoy of 18,000 soldiers  with 
100 tanks from Mazar and part of this convoy has rea-
ched Jabali-Sirat, 80 km North of Kabul and  he  said 
he opposed this convoy to enter Kabul.  This is  very
strange that without President and  Defence  Minister
be informed such a huge convoy is moving from 300 km. 
reaching 80 km. from Kabul.  Only then the  President 
and Defence Minister us informed that 18,000 soldiers 
will enter Kabul tomorrow.  Only at that time Presid-
ent opposed this.  I said who is  the  President  and 
who is the Defence Minister, Rasheed Dostum  or  you?  
He can send 18,000 soldiers and 100 tanks without in-
forming the Defence Minister or President and Presid-
ent himself is opposing this.  It means that actually 
they are ruling this country. Power is in their hands 
and how they will be willing to transfer the power to 
Mujahideen's hands? We are willing that Ustad Rabbani 
to be the President - a true President with power  in
his hands.  The militia forces to be disarmed -  this
is what we are insisting in.  Ustad Rabbani is  still 
with that alliance  and  insists  that  these  troops 
should remain in Kabul.

Q.  One objection is that Khalq  group  of  Communist 
have joined Hizb-e-Islami, while Parcham is  with  the 
other party.  You are opposing because of ethnic prob-
lems.  What is the true story?

Hikmat Yar:  Actually we are saying all ex-communists 
should be removed from government, not those who have 
joined Ustad Rabbani or Jamiat.  We  are  saying  all 
militia troops should be disarmed and a  new  Islamic
army should be established.  This is our  stand, this
is what we are asking for. There is lot of difference 
between some people joining individually with Mujahi-
deen and getting advantage of amnesty and  making  an
 alliance with them, and accepting them as a party in 
an alliance. We say we have announced general amnesty 
for all those who have  worked  with  previous  Kabul 
government.  They can take advantage of this  amnesty 
but they cannot stay as a power and should not remain 
as an armed force or as a political party.  What they 
have done in the past is sufficient and  they  should 
not ask more than general amnesty. We have no object-
ion to joining of individuals to any  party.  But  we 
are against alliance, coalition or remain as an armed
force or a party in the government- this is our objec-
tion.  We have many people with us.  We have accepted 
them as individuals because we have announced general 
amnesty.

Q.  There are many changes in Pakistan  Army  and  it 
came in American newspapers -  specifically  the  ISI  
incharge- Major General Javed Nasir, who has  put  in 
this position to toe in the American line - i.e.  the 
NWO (New World Order).  He  met  Dostum  and  it  was 
announced by Pakistan government that  Br. Hikmat Yar 
is a terrorist.  These changes at  the  global  level 
should reflect the conspiracy against this country - 
the Muslim land.  Why Ustad Rabbani and  others,  who
are good Muslims do not understand these simple things?

Hikmat Yar:  I should say that I do not want to inter-
fere in the internal affairs of Pakistan.  We want to 
have good relations with our Pakistani  brothers  and 
we want peace and stability in the brotherly  country 
- Pakistan.

Q.  You pray that they should get  out  of  this  NWO 
(New World Order).

Hikmat Yar:  Yes, we are praying for  that.  Pakistan 
should be a truly Islamic State, free of the  influ-
ence of the enemies of Islam, and true Muslims to rule
Pakistan.  It will be very strange that Pakistani bro-
thers who are once saying that we  are  freedom  figh-
ters, Mujahideens - to  please  Bush  are  calling  us 
terrorists.  Those are actually  the followers of Ame-
rica.  Any Muslim in the world  in  their  eyes  is  a 
terrorist.  They are afraid of America more than Allah.

Q.  About the future of  Afghanistan.  The  capitalist 
system, when they  cannot  get  their  wished  secured 
through threats and attacks, they use economic  power.  
World Bank,IMF and Asian Bank are the tools which they 
employ to impose their terms on the  governments.  How 
do you see that the future government  in  Afghanistan 
will not come under this trap?
Hikmat Yar:  The capitalist system is also dead and has
failed to solve the human problems  and  the  Communism 
have also finished.  It is the time of Islam  and  just 
Islam can solve the problems of  humanity.  We  believe 
that we will be able to have a  strong  Afghanistan - a 
self reliant Afghanistan.  We are not in favor of loans 
and this is how the  countries  loose  their  freedoms.  
Instead of loans we will invite the people to invest in
Afghanistan.  We will ask the Islamic  countries,  they 
have the resources. If they could have good governments 
who are thinking of the future of their people and their 
own countries. Unfortunately, at present we do not have 
such  governments. Most of our money is invested in the 
West.  They are using this money to influence our coun-
tries.  American Banks are running with  the  money  of
the rich people of the Islamic World.  We  will  invite
the Muslims to invest in Afghanistan.

Q.  There are many educated, sincere Muslims who  would
like to participate in the rebuilding of Islamic Afgha-
nistan.  How would you facilitate  their  participation
in this struggle?

Hikmat Yar:  They are welcome.  They should come.  Afgh-
anistan is their country. They should help us to rebuild
Islamic Afghanistan.  We invite all of them.  They  will
not have the problem of Passport and  Visa.  Afghanistan
will be the country for  each Muslim.

End of Interview

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