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/ hp-ptp:rec.motorcycles / fitch@iscsvax.uni.edu /  3:04 am  Apr  8, 1992 /
>I am looking at an '82 Yamaha Maxim 1100 (seriously good condition, with the
>exception of a minor wiring problem and first gear has seen better days) and
>would really appreciate some feedback about this cycle.
>I've driven some smaller cycles (650-to-750 range) and was considering that
>range, but my cycle-riding friends were all in agreement that I buy something
>larger even though this is my first cycle purchase.
>Comments, Ideas, Suggestions (am I crazy to consider this cycle?).
 
I owned a Yamaha XS1100 for about ten years and was very happy with it.
I wasn't aware that Yamaha made a Maxim in the 1100 size although this
may have been a follow-on to the Midnight Special series.

The minor wiring problem you refer to is probably fixable but the first
gear issue will require the engine to be removed and major disassembly
by yourself with great attention to detail or by a trusted shop at great
expense to you. Also, if in fact the first gear parts are damaged requir-
ing a teardown, this is likely an indication of abusive treatment since
these parts are practically bullet-proof. I would get an experts opinion
on this one prior to any commitment.

My personal opinion is that this is a rather heavy bike to learn new skills
on. General maneuvering, emergency avoidance, and second nature responses
are much easier to aquire on a bike in the 400-500 pound range rather than
one at 600 pounds. I think 650-750 is a good starter range.

Advantages:
1) Solid, reliable motorcycle (had mine for 56,000 miles).
2) Stays in tune, doesn't leak oil, and needs little maintenance.
3) Well designed and extremely powerful.
4) Quiet, smooth, comfortable.

Disadvantages:
1) Heavy, lousy handling.
2) Shaft effect rather pronounced - adversly effects handling.
3) Jerky, sudden throttle response just off idle.
4) A miserable son-of-a-bitch to get on the center stand.

Hope this helps.
		   ...Dan
From: ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Bike chains vs whips...
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:28:25 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster


Back onto chains and things.. Maintenance... In my experience chains
take up the most time, you have to check tension quite often and keep
them relativly dirt free. The trick is to get a good O-ring chain and 
use enough chain lube to keep it sticky but no enough so that all that
dust and road grot doesn't stick to it. 
One other point, cush drives, the set of rubber blocks that the rear 
sprocket sits in in the back wheel, if these are worn and the sprocket
flaps about then you get bad chain wear, also the transmission snap gets
worse. Some people like to boil their chains in a special chain lube on
their ovens but that is too messy for words, plus you have to take the
chain on an off again. Don't know if you can do it with O-ring chains
either. 

Shaft drives,I believe, you just have to change the oil every so often.

           ************************************************
           * Mark at Oxford University Computing Services *
           * Email - OPS@UK.AC.OX.VAX  anytime....        *
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           Suzuki LS650 - who needs more than one cylinder ?
                          (I do actually that's why I am selling it)
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:10:25 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What *ARE* cruisers good for?
Distribution: rec.motorcycles

I have a "baby" cruiser, a Suzuki Savage (650cc single).  Here's what it
I think it is, and isn't good for:

Not good for trips over 200 miles, and even then only if you've got an
iron butt. I did Chicago-Pittsburgh-Chicago but it was a push.   The
Intruder looks a lot more comfortable but I fear it might be
underpowered for the weight.

Not good for beating out really fast iron at stop lights but who cares,
that's not my style.  It does have enough jam to pull out in front of
Aunt Tillie so you're not stuck behind her for 75 blocks.  Also, plenty
of go on the highway to pass safely, and so forth.

Bumpy highways are AWFUL but that's a function of the rear suspension. 
The travel on the rear shocks are too short.  So short, in fact, to get
the bike that low to the ground that there's nothing remotely
aftermarket that I can replace them with.  You might want to check that
out.  The front is too soft, too, but I don't doubt that that's
correctable--the forks seem pretty standard.

I've been on rough dirt roads two-up and haven't had any trouble staying
up.  Enjoying it is something else again.  But I'm not sure I'd enjoy it
on a proper ride for conditions, either.

Twisties on good pavement?  I love 'em and so does the bike!  I don't
care who can beat me through the chicane, I'm not in that race.

Two lane mountain road cruising?  Absolutely!  Trouble is, you might
have to go slow enough to see enjoy the  scenery, something these little
people on their pieces of plastic don't seem to be able to do.

I was going to say they're great for getting laid but then saw you were
married.  Well, they're great for getting laid by your wife, then. 
(Peruse thread of past few weeks on that subject).

Go for it!  They look great, they feel great, they're reliable.  With
good tires and properly set up suspension, they'll do anything on-road
you want them to.


Peter

P.S.  I'm looking forward to your summary.

P.P.S.  My next bike's an 883, I don't care what the mags say, I listen
only to me ears.


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.203036.13568@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov
(Phil Stone) writes:
>The "monolever" (mono-shock shaft-drive system) design that first
>appeared on R80GS's and R80ST's, attenuated the shaft effect greatly.

Probably through stiffer springing rather than through any
magic associated with the monolever design.  The paralever
is the only innovation BMW have made that specifically addresses
this problem.

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	Mindcraft, Inc.		(415) 323-9000
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Aftermarket wheel for CBR1000
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.121419.2934@ms.uky.edu>, amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
>Hi gang.  Do any of you know of an aftermarket motorcycle wheel/rim
>manufacturer and/or supplier?  I am interested in widening my rear
>wheel from (I believe) 3.5" X 17" to 5.5" X 17". 

Here's one possible solution: Check with Kosman Engineering, they can widen
any alloy-type rim for about $300. They cut off the existing flanges and
weld on wider ones... a good solution if you want to keep the stock
appearance.  They caution against extreme changes in width as the spoke/rim
junction was designed with a particular width in mind, but they'll know
if it'd work or not.  If you want to get funky, HyPerTek can make a modular
rim to fit about anything. Weird-looking hoop, though.

R Norian
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr)
Subject: Re: Warning re. shoe-laces...
    <1992Apr7.213410.18886@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:19:07 GMT
Organization: U of Kentucky, Computer & Mathematical Sciences Division
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr7.213410.18886@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> sleith@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (scot evan leith) writes:
>
>     . . . etc . . .                    As I went to shift down as I
>slowed I realized that my shoestring had caught on the shift lever.  I
>thought that I was about to lose all of the skin on my legs.  I tried
>to lean down while coasting and loosen it but as I did the bike leaned
>a little too far and started to fall to the left.  Luckily the laces
>were not the leather type so I just yanked my leg like hell and they
>broke.  I was able to catch myself and the bike before falling over
>too far.

I've never (thank goodness) been in such a (horrible) situation.  Reading
your articles makes the hair on my back stand stright.  I know that talking
is easy but, how about reaching down and pulling your foot out of your shoe?
I would first try to get my foot out and if that didn't work, switch to
the "Old yank as hard as you can" trick.  Remember not to reverse this
order, cause if you do yank first and it doesn't work, you can forget pulling
that foot out.  NB: Kids don't try this at home, and if you do, make sure you
are not wearing aunt merry's army boots :-) :-)

-- 
- Amir Sadr,  Dept. of Computer Science   AMA#633741  amir@ms.uky.edu
- University of Kentucky                  DoD#0606    amir@UKMA.BITNET
- Lexington,  KY 40506-0027               CBR1000F    [rutgers,uunet]!ukma!amir
--
From: davewi@soccer.WV.TEK.COM (David H. Wise;682-7349;60-646;;soccer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: davewi@soccer.WV.TEK.COM (David H. Wise)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR

In article <1992Apr8.071446.7512@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>
>Could someone more knowlegeable in motofizzix please clarify?

After some head-scratching, I figured it out.  When the bike is accelerating,
its rear tire is exerting a rearward thrust against the road.  By Newton's
mumble Law, the road is exerting exactly the same thrust forwards against the
bottom of the tire.  The radius of the tire is the lever arm, and the hub
is the fulcrum, of a lever which this forward thrust is pushing on.
Force * lever arm = torque.  This torque transfers through the rigid swingarm
to the swingarm bearings, where rotation is possible.  Rotation happens, and
up goes the back of the bike.  On a chain- or belt-drive bike, the torque
exerted by the road through the wheel is EXACTLY balanced by the torque of
the chain/belt tension pulling on the rear sprocket (which tries to make
the bike squat down).  In a shaft-drive bike, this balancing torque is
a vector in the direction of the shaft, which is at right angles to the
direction where it would do some good.  It acts against a slight
twisting of the swingarm instead of counteracting the road/wheel torque.

['How to get a wheelie out of a slow bike' deleted.  Interesting story.]

>
> Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
> '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: bdhepler@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brad D. Hepler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What to call a harley
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:09:18 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin) writes:
>Well jap bikes are rice burners ore [...]
                 
And who says there's a low S/N ratio on rec.mc?  First I find out that
the Japanese can mine steel, and now I find out that they can mine
entire MOTORCYCLES.

Brad
___________
Brad Hepler     class of 92 Mech. Eng.       bdhepler@phoenix.princeton.edu 
Two bikes, one with pedals & knobbies.         "What else floats in water?"
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: O.K., How About DoD MousePads?????
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:55:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


Mouse Pads?????

Why not add the subset known as "coasters"???? 


Sure, I'd buy a DoD mousepad :-)))

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend)
Subject: official drink of the dod (was Re: DoD marital aid announcement
Organization: /home/karazm/jet/.organization
	<6228@public.BTR.COM>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:07:35 GMT

"James" == James G. Franklin jamesf@btr.com <jamesf@public.BTR.COM> writes:

James> In article <rscrnINNlrg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:


James> Well, my current batch of homebrew is ready for bottling, I
James> just need bottles.  I suppose I could scale down the DoD
James> postscript picture and make bottle labels out of it, thus
James> producing DoD beer. If you're all reeealll nice, I might just
James> bring some to the Joust... *IF* there's any left by then :-)


Hey, can you make a batch w/ garlic flavor?  I had some amazing
garlic-wine at the Stinking Rose in SF while I was there over the
weekend. 

Maybe garlic-flavored alcohol could be the offical drink of the dod.
It's not like anyone would want to get near us anyway... 

--
J. Eric Townsend - jet@uh.edu - Systems Wrangler, UH Dept of Mathematics
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From: rgarg@tellabs.com (Rajesh Garg)
Subject: Re: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER FROM A NY COMPANY.
Organization: Tell
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:55:34 GMT

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>
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>
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>
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>
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This does not belong in this group & should not be posted.
From: mth@cci632.cci.com (Michael Hickman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to get 11 tickets in one ride (my story)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:41:24 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <3300064@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> danb@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dan Bergmen) writes:
>You're a complete idiot. If it were up to me, I would have permanently
>revoked your license and confiscated your motorcycle. The sport just
>doesn't have any room for this kind of crap.

Fortunately, it's not up to you.  

Strange that the typically hard-nosed judge was much more understanding
than you..

But then not everyone can be Mr. Perfect like you, eh Dan?

-Mike Hickman
mth@cci.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jgromala@Data-IO.COM (John Gromala)
Subject: Fairing wanted
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:27:08 GMT



WANTED: AN ORIGINAL HONDA MANUFACTURED FAIRING
        I am looking for the full fairing produced by Honda
        for a 1984 HONDA SABRE VF700S motorcycle.  If you have
        a stock fairing you would like to sell or if you know
        someone who has one, please contact me as soon as
        possible.  Thank you very much!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler)
Subject: adding more fuel to the fire
Organization: University of Wisconsin Physical Sciences Lab
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:50:43 GMT

From the BADGER HERALD - UW Madison WI.

Accident victim remains critical

A UW-Madison student involved in a motorcycle and bicycle accident Sunday
remains in critical condition at Meriter-Park Hospital, according to the
nurse on duty.
Robert B. Raab, 21, the driver of the motorcycle, suffered multiple head
and neck injuries when his cycle collided with a bicyclist at the 200 block
of S. Park Street at approx. 4:40 p.m.
According to the Madison Police Dept. report, a witness said the bicyclist
changed lanes from the far right side of the road to the left while a motor-
cycle was approaching at a high speed.
The report also states that Raab has a Type II licence from Minnesota which
classifies him to operate a motorcycle of under 260 CC's.  The 1984 Honda
Interceptor that Raab was driving is much larger than the allowed engine
size.
The other two victims of the accident are in fair condition at Meriter-Park
Hospital. Kevin J. Joyce, a 21-year-old UW junior, was the passenger on the
motorcycle. William T. Britt, a 33 year-old Madison man, was the driver of
the TREK bicycle.
According to the report, none of the victims was wearing helmets.
No charges have been made atthis time as the investigation is still in
progress..

OB-MOTO: IMHO the bicyclist made an improper lane change into the path
of the speeding squidly motorcyclist! WHO DO YOU THINK WAS AT FAULT! (:')

Paul Schnettler DoD#7734
Still working on my SIG!
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:28:59 -0400 
From: Robert Clay <rc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Info request: Yamaha TDM850 vs Seca II

Yamaha experts:

I'm about to purchase one of the two above bikes, as they both seem
to meet my needs (ie, medium size/price street bike for fun, some touring,
and generally burning around the county).  Actually, I was all set to 
get the Seca when I saw the 850 which looks faster and overall better.
Anyway, I've read about the Seca, but haven't heard a thing about the
850.  Anybody have any experience or advice on comparing the two?
Is the 850 worth 1600$ more???  I'm inclined toward the 850 but don't 
have enough facts to back up my gut feel to blow nearly 2k more.
What's the story on this TDM850?

ADVthanksANCE,
Robert (many windsurfers, no bikes - yet)

email replies: rc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markb@solbourne.com (Mark W. Bradley)
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Organization: Solbourne Computer Systems
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:26:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.220654.28814@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz) writes:
>
>In a previous article, space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) says:
>>Japanese bikes are called "rice burners", Italian bikes are called "pasta
>>burners", so what do we call American bikes (Harleys)?
>How about:
>
>- Quality
>- Assembled in America
>- Good % of components imported
>- Outsell imports
>- As nasty as you wanna be
>
>Does that help?

Nope.  Doesn't help a bit.  We need a derogatory term that we can all 
bandy about to incent flames.  They're a nice way to putt around and
all, but that's not the point of the biased comparisons, derogatory
sliming, etc.  Get with the program, man.  On with the incendiaries!

Pigs (Hogs, whatever)
sled (Slow, Loud, Engine's a Dog)
'roid generators
slut (Slow, Loud, Underpowered Tank)

If they weren't so pretty and if I did not think it'd be kinda nice to
own, this'd be a lot easier....  :{)

							markb

-- 
Mark Bradley   (DoD#1100)		  Faster, faster, until the thrill
I/O, EMI & Mgmt./Systems Engr.		of speed overcomes the fear of death.
Solbourne Computer, Inc.			--Hunter S. Thompson
From: karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ADVICE ON HONDA 450 (1972
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:53:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindcraf.1992Apr7.025345.13270
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.

In article <1992Apr5.123455.15804@panix.com> joseph@panix.com
(Joseph R. Skoler) writes:
>In article <16110164@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
(Frank Ball) writes:
>>* The CB450 engine is relatively straightforward, except for the valve
>>*springs, which are... different.  It's the only engine I know of that
>>*used torsion bars instead of coils, hairpins, or desmo actuation.
>>
>>How about the centrifical (sp?) separator it used to "spin" dirt out of
>>the oil instead of using an oil filter?  

Hardly unique.  All Honda Dreams and similar bikes (Super
Hawks, 250 Scramblers, etc.) had the centrifugal crud
separators.  The competition had strainers (wire mesh with
~1mm openings) in their oil tanks, and that was all.

>How tricky is it (read: can I trust most motocycle mechanics) to 
>clean and sync (if applicable) the carbs?  Mine seems to be dirty, as
>it won't idle.

It's easy.  Easy enough for a novice with a manual to do it
correctly the first time.  A reasonably patient
professional mechanic could do it, too.

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	Mindcraft, Inc.		(415) 323-9000
From: edsmigu@edski.edski.ericsson.se (Mikael Gudmunds)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CX500 E ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:45:26 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Data Services, Stockholm,Sweden


I've been reading a lot of replys to "CX500..what the hell" (and supplied one myself)
and I'm a bit surprised that almost all the articles mention CX500, CX500 C, CX500 T and
GL500, but not a single article mentions CX500 E!
CX500 E looked like a stripped version of CX500 T (sort of). It had a more "normal" design
than the standard CX500. 
I wonder why none of you guys seem to have heard of this bike before. Could it be that
only a few contries imported it?

I've seen quite a few nicknames for the CX500 in the articles, so a thought I'd contribute
with a few myself: In Sweden, the standard CX500 was called "The Water Buffalo" by those
who liked it, and "The Plastic Pig" by those who did not. The CX500 C was considered
"wilder" looking and was promptly named "The Wild Boar".

//Mike
From: shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mr 'Tude's Hide-out

In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
> Exactly what is "shaft 
> effect" and how can I feel for it?

You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.

It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle
and you find it is only worth a mere fraction of its original purchase
price just 1 or 2 years later.  The root of the problem (or I should say
the reason you get rooted) is that some manufacturers come out with
trendy new models each year and few are willing to buy a has-been with
last year's paint on the plastic.

The best way to cope with the effect is to grab your ankles and grit
your teeth.  The pain lasts only until you can save up and buy back in
for next year.

Seth Zirin
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