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From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N)
Subject: Re: Morrissey thread?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:51:14 GMT

In article <2ADC87E2.6545@ics.uci.edu> bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
>
>   Sure, here are mine:
>
>  We Hate it When Morrissey Fans Try To Start Threads On Internet Accounts
>  You're Not For Meat Fatty
>  Glamorous Fool
>  Some Girls Are Better Morrissey Addicts Than Others
>  Heaven Now's I'm Morrissey Now
>  There is a Bloke That Never Goes Out Of the Closet
>  Please, Please, Please Let Me Get Out Of This Thread
>  Found Found Found Found Found Spam Spam Spam Spam Eggs Found and Spam
>  There is a Place For Me and My Hands
>  Aging Rut
>  Ouija Bored, Ouija Bored......
>
>
>   Ok Ok so these are NOT real Morrissey songs.
>
>  No offense to any Morrissey fan but isn't there are BETTER and more
>  INTERESTING way to start a thread than "What's you favorite ???? song?" ???
>
>                                                            K!z!K




Hey, what the fuck is your problem anyway!!!????!?

Alright, smart ass, why don't YOU come up with something
interesting if you think you're so much better?

I asked for _suggestions_, not FLAMES!!

If this is turning into a flame war, I'm outta here!!!!!

Sheesh.
From: wortman@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu (David Wortman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: David+David
Summary: Where are they now?
Keywords: Where are they now?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Hey do any of you out there in net land know what became
of this excellent duo?  I have, and love, their 1986 a&m
records debut but have heard little from them lately.  
Did they ever put out a second album?  Thanks in advance.

				David Wortman
From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Superchunk
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:57:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu


I first heard of Superchunk when I bought their first CD - and upon moving from
here to the RTP area of NC in Jan. '91 I was hoping to see them play live.
I first saw them in Mar. '91 at Under the Street in Durham, NC - it was
probably the best show I had seen in the last 2-3 years (they headlined for
only $3).  Coolest thing I've ever seen in corduroy.  I saw them again in
their hometown at Cat's Cradle in Chapel Hill,NC in May '91 when they
opened for Sebadoh and Fugazi (the best $5 I've ever spent!).  Like Fugazi -
they are one of the few bands who remain true to the "independent music"
ideals...and in fact Mac (the signer/guitarist) and Laura (bassist) run
an indie label of their own called Merge Records in Chapel Hill.  If you
write to them, I'm sure they will be happy to send you a postcard of info
about available singles, CDs, T-shirts, etc. (though I don't know about
posters - you may have to visit Schoolkid's Records in Chapel Hill or Poindexter
Records in Durham for that - or check what Matador Records has in NYC) -
Mac, like Ian McKaye actually, will converse with you if you have any questions
too..

Merge Records
(attn: Mac and/or Laura if you'd like)
P.O. Box 1235
Chapel Hill, NC 27514
They have been touring as of late - they played the Kennel Club here is S.F.
two weeks ago - and earlier this year opened for Poi Dog Pondering of
all bands (they were supposed to open for Teenage Fanclub when TF got called
up to appear on Saturday Night Live that weekend) at Slim's in S.F. - though
Mac says he hated the place.  I think they are one of the best reasons to get
excited about indie music today - and their live shows always surprise me as
they always seem to play half of their material from unreleased stuff that
I've never heard before.

Greg S.
sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Whatever happened to....
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

Elliott Sharp?

UT?

Scrawl?

Have any of these people done anything lately (like, in the last year or
so)?  Not that they have anything in common, really, I just found myself
wondering ....

Thanks!

______________________________________________________________________
Mike Wasson  ---  U.Hawai'i, Manoa  --- Fat Messiah Games
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From: misb3crs@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: REM
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:47:52 +0100
Summary: REM
Distribution: world
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology




  hello.... as a new listener to R.E.M. after buying and liking their new
album A.F.T.P i was wondering if somebody out there could recommend some
more of their stuff along the lines of A.F.T.P ?


cheers...  

Scobie....Dundee
From: mcadamw@coch3.alleg.edu (William McAdams)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: PJ Harvey
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:12:25 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1bbtucINNje8@taloa.unice.fr> guaschi@lira.unice.fr (John  
Guaschi) writes:
> In article <1aofo1INNcfn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  
cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
> (Mark Cornick) writes:
> > 
> > P(olly) J Harvey is a singer from London. Her album _Dry_ recently  
came  
> out
> > here in the states. "Sheela-Na-Gig" (the song you've been hearing over  
> and
> > over again on HFS) is pretty good, but there are plenty of better  
songs  
> on
> > the album. Check out "Victory", "Dress" and "Oh My Lover." I recommend  
> the
> > album highly. You should also look for the Too Pure Peel Sessions
> > compilation, which features PJ as well as Stereolab and Th Faith  
> Healers.
> > 
> 
> Just a couple of small precisions... P. J. Harvey is actually a band  
from 
> (near) Yeovil (not London), whose singer happens to be called P(olly) J.
> Harvey.
> 
> John Guaschi.
I'd just like to add that I saw P.J. Harvey in Sheffield U.K. this spring
they were great but only played for about 35min. She sang an excellent
cover version of Dylan's "Highway 61 Revisted". Anyone who does 
intelligent and interesting reworkings of Dylan songs is cool w/ me....

BILL
From: v462etnn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: sid/joy division
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:59:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.4968.8185@dosgate>, "allan canney" <allan.canney@canrem.com> writes...
>-> In article <Bv2284.B94@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tchess@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
>-> (T. Chris Es
>-> > The only other musical experience that I know of that he had was
>-> playing > drums at a very easrly Souxsie and the Banshees gig.
>-> >
>->
>-> Well, Sid actually played drums at early Joy Division gig!
>->
>-> Tumpa
> 
>At what show is this, I've checked both An Ideal For Living, and The New
>Order/Joy Division biographys and they make no mention of this, and they
>both list most of the Joy Division shows.

Well, perhaps they make no mention of it because *it's not 
true*!  Really, Sid Vicious playing drums for Joy Division?
Not even the *remotest* chance.  One of the first conflicts
is time: Joy Division was formed *after* the Sex Pistols had
started.  According to the sources, several of the band 
members had seen a Sex Pistols concert (most notably Bernard
and Peter).

And in re: the origin of New Order's name, no it did not come
from a "Nazi youth's t-shirt".  Once again, it was at the
suggestion of Rob Gretton, who had seen a recent headline that
read "The New Order of the Kampuchean Republic".

David "Grrr.... Don't sully my favorite band's name with the
       Sex Pistols" Anderson
From: mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (gretchen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:08:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: bgsu

In article <1992Oct12.113713.19581@hemlock.cray.com>,
jrn@redwood21.cray.com (Jim Nemmers) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <BvvFyz.JvD@andy.bgsu.edu>, matt writes:
> >
> > First of all, I know that political and religious commentary isn't the
> > purpose of alt.music.alternative but I really don't care.  Sinead put out a
> > valid interpretation of many individuals' feelings towards the church.  She
> > was not attacking the Pope directly, but rather she was showing her
> > contempt for the religious dogma that is shoved down our throats every day.
> 
> Speaking of getting shit shoved down our throats, how 'bout Sinead's actions.
> She purposely evades giving SNL any knowledge of her intentions to make a
> religous statement. I don't know about anyone else, but I watch SNL for its
> entertainment and humor. I didn't see either of these catagories in Sineads
> performance. Although her performance did come closer to humor than it did
> entertainment. Luckily I have remote.
> 
> >  The sepertion of church and state does not exist-->everyone of our elected
> > officals is a devout "beleiver."  Our school boardrooms are being invaded
> > by bible-toting "doogooders," yet look at how fucked up our world is...
> 
> I hardly believe that the state of our world can be blamed on our leaders
> religious convictions (entirely). Much of how our world is may possibly
> be blamed on the individuals without religious/moral values. Take, for
> instance, abortion. If people had more religious/moral convictions, maybe
> our government wouldn't feel the need to have to regulate it.
> 
> This is not the issue though. The issue is using SNL's invitation to entertain
> an audience to voice/display her religious convictions. I vote no!
> 
*********Two words: First Amendment...she said what alot of people don't
have the guts to say!**********************
> >
> >       "If you're out there, I want to see you"
> 
> Your day will come.
> 
> Now lets get back to alternative music discussions.

 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: yonder@netcom.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: Re: SY question
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:28:57 GMT

c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (Leor Jacobi) writes:

>thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Mike Thayer) writes:


>>14-song set from "Dirty".  They also played "Kool Thing", "Silver Rocket",
>>and "Teenage Riot".  I know which albums these are from, but then they

>>---------------		----------------------------
>>Mike Thayer		thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu

They played "Silver Rocket!!!!", I would kill to see them preform that one!
I have yet to see them do so.  You are a lucky cat...

-- 
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy)  Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@sim.mfg.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- #2 (ha!)
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:25:22 GMT

In article <Ahn-081092235901@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>,
Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct8.195402.16834@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) wrote:
> 
> >   When Green came out, a friend of mine theorized that they would have only 
> > three more albums.  This was his reasoning:
> >     - "Document" is subtitled "#5"
> >     - "Green" has a number 4 imprinted in the cover lettering
> >     - Continuing on this theme, "Out of Time" is three words
> > What we have here, IMHO, is a count down.  I have been scouring my copy of AFTP trying to find anything with a two in it and have not yet succeeded.  Ric
> > Dube's news would, though, unfortunately confirm this theory.
> > Always in search of a conspiracy
> > -kristoff

> If you pull out the CD liner notes/photos and look at the side with all
> photos, you'll notice a pattern. Each member is on the side a total number
> of 2 times! OH NO! Only 1 more album!!! A world tour for three years. And a
> long awaited album on Janurary 1, 2000. Then no more REM! :-(

Well, here's more two's. If you pull out the CD liner notes and fold them
out. You have what I have said above, AND you have TWO sides! (This is so
DECADENT!) AND on the other side each band member also shows up TWO times. 

Interesting point about the 1992 too/2 too/2 lyrics. Maybe it's Stipe's way
of appropriating this whole conspiracy thing and attributing it to the
Republican party. :-) Of course, maybe it's just a countdown for the
Republican party...ie. Welcome to the presidency Clinton!

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: NIN bootleg disc
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:20:47 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

So how can one get one's hands on a copy of this "bootleg disc" if it exists:

 > some bootleg recording of Suck has been around for awhile ...
 > (It's got a white cover that has a picture with NIN canada on the front and
 > a big NIN stamp on the back) 

The one with a version of "Suck" and "Supernaught".  Anybody know any stores
somewhere in the NYC, Boston, or Providence area that might carry it? 
Mail-order company?  How much do people rip you off for it?  Is it worth it?


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--saeed jaffer        			So after a lot of thought
saeed@watson.ibm.com  			I'd like to reconsider
saeed@athena.mit.edu  			Please
					If it's not too late
					Make it a cheeseburger
							--L. Lovett
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: norrish@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Norrish)
Subject: Mercury Rev 'Yerself is Steam' track listing question
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:08:06 GMT


I have the Mercury Rev 'Yerself is steam' CD, and find it impossible to 
read all the track names on the reduced artwork (the curved typeface 
doesn't help much either). 

Can anyone tell me the full names of tracks 5 and 7? What I have so far, 
and I'm not completely confident of having it correct:

Sweet oddysee of a cancer cell (something something) center of yer heart

and

Continuous trucks and trailers?/thunder? under a mother's smile

Thanks in advance
Andrew Norrish

'Ha ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho ho hee hee hee hee hee, oooooohhhhhhh' - 
Morrissey
From: dug@athena.cs.uga.edu (Douglas Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- maybe a rumor, but what if...?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:50:34 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct9.135801.2558@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) writes:
>
>     Okay, people, okay!  I was only joking when I put the "5,4,3,2,1" 
>hypothesis out there!  I certainly don't take it (or myself, for that matter) 
>seriously, and neither should you!
>     It seems to be established that they'll be kicking about until 2000 in one
>form or another.  Sorry if I sent anyone into severe depression!

I'll add another interesting footnote here.  Alot of people are remembering
the quote (by Berry I think) where he says the band would like to play New
Year's Eve 1999 then call it quits.  A couple of years ago, I got a promo
poster for the comic book Grendel that is set in the year 2014.  On the wall
behind the character was a torn poster advertising the 2014 REM "We're not
Dead yet, World Tour."  Interesting  peice o trivia...

>
>snausages,
>-kristoff
>
>ps. I still think they should have kept the name "Buckets of Piss", or maybe 
>even made their temporary stints as "Bingo Handjob" or "Beastpenis" permanent.
>But then these guys won't even call it "Fuck me Kitten" on the album cover.  Oh
>well.

I ain't gonna say a thang about... "Barrie Buck's Butt!!!"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
From: djperry@husc11.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness)
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:47:50 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <0R8FsB2w165w@hale.cts.com> genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
>rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu writes:
>
>> In article <mtl2001-071092160715@m248-104.bgsu.edu>, mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (G
>> >
>> >In article <1992Oct1.150523.20549@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, apash@mta.ca
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >************ Wait a minute...the cure hasn't changed their style? No no no
>> >no-- they indeed have, and I would say (as much as it hurts) that it's for

>> >the worse. They should have broke up after 89, it would have been the
>> >educated thing to do....I still listen to them, they are my favorite
>> >band....but no way can you compare the sound of The Top or Japanese
>> >Whispers to that of Wish. Do you even have The Top, Boys Don't Cry, Faith,
>> >Seven Seconds, etc? Or do you compare Wish to that of Disintegration?(
>> >which was good, but not that good) I never thought that I would ever hear
>> >the phrase "let's get happy" from Robert Smith's voice......whatever
>> >happened to Pornography's morbidness..I liked that..and I was disappointed
>> >at the Wish concert when they didn't play those kind of old songs. I was
>> >sickened when I looked around at the concert and saw all of those "kids"
>> >with Wish shirts on MC Hammer dancing to Friday, I'm In Love and then
>> >sitting down during songs like A Night Like This and A Forest. If anyone
>> >adores Smith and the Cure it would be me, but give me a break, their sound
>> >has changed a whole lot since the days when Tolhurst and Rob were in the
>> >band alone. gretchen

Compare Open to Shake Dog Shake.
Compare Friday to The Caterpillar.
The ENTIRE Japanese Whispers album is more poppy than Wish, especially since all
the singles from it were deliberate attempts at pop songs.  As far as I can see,
The Cure hit a musical style with Head On The Door and have basically stuck to 
it with some variation in instrumentation.  The Cure have been a pop band in
England since 1983.  They start to get some success over here and all their old
fans decide they've "sold out".  I really don't follow that at all.  What 
difference does it make?

deX!
-- 
Hate is a fuzzy puppy.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (GILBERT, S A)
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys & Rollins Tour
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.174256.377@reed.edu>
terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
 
>In article <1992Oct14.012638.18782@cis.ohio-state.edu> huffner@tomato.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael huffner) writes:
>I can't give you a review of the tour, since it doesn't get here until Nov. 24
>but I can tell you that more than likely it is true that Cypress will be
>playing on it.  They're confirmed for the L.A. show of 11/24.
>
>Terra
 
Ditto here in Houston 11/20, Henry, Beasties, & Cypress Hill. More cultured
testosterone in one place than a sperm bank.
 
--S.A.G.
 
 * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . *
 . * . * . * . "I don't want to sober up tonight.  * . * . * . * . * .
 * . * . * . *  I don't want to act like things are alright" * . * . *
 . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * -- Merle Haggard 1980 * . * . * .
 * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . *
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Velocity Girl
From: slam@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:38:37 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

> How was that anyway?  As far as the EP goes, Slumberland is (hopefully)
> going to release an compilation of the first single and other stuff
> (what I was hoping Sub Pop was gonna do) and last I heard, the Lp was
> due in January or February . . . 
Ummm, I think Sub Pop has released the single with three other songs.  I have
no word on any Slumberland plans...

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:16:54 -0400 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Zornification
	<2ADE23C3.5235@ics.uci.edu>

>       Is there any CD release of _The_Torture_Garden_ or _Heretic_?
>  (I've never knew Heretic even existed).    John Zorn's sperm seems to
> clog the phonographic needle when playing my copy of the _TG_ LP.

Yeah, a CD issue of _The Torture Garden_ does indeed exist, and I have
it.  I payed $30 for it, but it exists (as a Japanese import, like most
of Zorn's hardcore stuff, due to his cover art).  I haven't seen
_Heretic_ around, but I assume it will be issued on CD, again as a
Japanese import.  I hate paying through the nose.  Aargh.

Joshua Buergel      | Every time she slit her wrists
allroy+@cmu.edu     | I wish she hit instead of missed.
jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu | Every secret family crime
                    | All my love a waste of time.
                    |    - ALL, Scary Sad
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sauer@bluemoon.rn.com (John Tipshus)
Subject: Re: PEARL JAM BROKE UP!!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:28:42 EDT

gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:

> In article <000998s.33.718244217@ace.acadiau.ca> 000998s@ace.acadiau.ca (KARL
> >From: 000998s@ace.acadiau.ca (KARL OVE SONNICHSEN)
> >Subject: Re: PEARL JAM BROKE UP!!
> >Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:16:58 GMT
> >In article <gunnarh.174.718222533@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR H
> >>From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
> >>Subject: Re: PEARL JAM BROKE UP!!
> >>Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:15:33 GMT
> >>In article <sem8kX600YV7A3lcgS@andrew.cmu.edu> mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc K
> >>>From: mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer)
> >>>Subject: PEARL JAM BROKE UP!!
> >>>Date: 29 Sep 92 17:02:27 GMT
> >>>
> >>>  I just spoke to a friend of mine who writes for Spin and he was sent
> >>>to Seattle to do a cover story on Pearl Jam. Well yesterday he called me
> >>>and said that they have broken up. After Lollapallooza 2 and all those
> >>>shows I was pretty surprised but apparently they can't deal with all the
> >>>pressures of the music industry and so they've called it quits. 
> >>
> >>Or they can't deal with eachother. According to some friends of mine, PJ 
> >>started fighting eachother on stage at the Roskilde festival in Danmark, an
> >>had to leave half-way in the show. The consert the da after in Oslo was 
> >>canselled on grounds of illness. *hah*
> >
> >Truely no one who is slightly intelligent believes this CRAP!!!!!!!
> >
> >				Karl
> 
> Hey, listen. I don't give a flat fuck if *you* believe me, but it's true.
> 
> /____________________\ |gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no| Crimes of passion

Okay, okay...  Enough bickering.  What we need here is something to 
further backup this information out of Oslo.  Is anyone else receiving 
this information?  What is you friend's name at Spin?  How can I (we) 
contact him/her?  You must admit that this can certainly be a shock since
Pearl Jam is so popular right now.  Maybe more feedback will help us 
figure out exactly what is going on before it is all over.

    John

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