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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:27:20 GMT

In article <24233@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:

>Given the reception I got when I met my asian spouse's parents
>for the first time, and the reception I see here occasionally
>where it is suggested that "whites seek out asian females
>because they think they are submissive", it's perhaps not
>so surprising that whites stick together.  Perhaps
>it's not even "sticking together", it's simply that
>they aren't welcome elsewhere. (That's how it was presented to
>me, most clearly and obviously.)

     Well, there's always going to be some hostility when an interracial
couple forms.  Having been introduced to numerous white parents (casually,
not to announce an engagement), I can assure you the same reception can
occur on this side of the equation.

     However, as a member of the defacto majority and "controlling power"
in this country, there are far fewer situations in which a white man would
be unwelcome compared to a minority.  Minorities may "stick together" because
having suffered discrimination; strength in numbers is is a means to fight
such discrimination.  Since such discrimination is less likely to occur to a
white man, "sticking together" is less likely to be explained by a moral
cause.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: New Yorker article on Green Dragons
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.193918.14795@clipper.ingr.com> jimmy@clipper.ingr.com
(Jimmy Blair) writes:
>	Last week's New Yorker has a very interesting article
>	called "Annals of Crime:  Revenge of the Green Dragons:"
>	It's a well-written 20 page piece about the establishment
>	and activities of the Green Dragons in New Chinatown, Queens.
>	The sources are interviews and grand jury transcipts
>	from several murder trials.  That's not to say that the
>	story is dry -- there's plenty of drama and action as
>	some violent scenes are described and the life
>	stories of several interesting people are told.
>	The article explains the rise of the new style gangs and
>	their dissociation from the traditional tongs.
>	The same issue of New Yorker also has a review of that
>	new film of the Marguerite Duras novel that has been
>	discussed recently in this newsgroup.

Try "The World" insert in the San Francisco Chronicle for November 15, 1992.
The feature story was about the murder of Henry Lui, an Asian-American.

There is a paragraph which indicates that the Chinatowns in California have
been a battle ground, literally, among Chinese groups vying for political
and territorial control.  Numerous laws were violated, and many lives
were lost.

My Chinese-ge friend wasn't joking when he advised me to stay away from
Chinatown.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater')
Subject: Re: rejecting your heritage
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.142641.6066@nmsu.edu> moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater') writes:
>In a world of plenty where there are enough jobs and houses
>and SO's to share, people will be glad to help each other.
>It will be easy to be alone and fend for yourself.
>
>But when times get scarce, people will band together.
>Usually along family, religious and ethnic lines.
>They will help each other get jobs, shelter, food and dates.
>



 And where will the loner be, when everyone else is desperately
 trying to help themselves ?

- jon 





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mike@clubmezz.uucp (Michael T. Itamura)
Subject: Re: Re: "Asians changing names to help job prospects"
Reply-To: mike@clubmezz.UUCP (Michael T. Itamura)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:43:57 GMT

In article <4920091@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
>
>Dad once had a friend (or maybe he was just an acquaintance) named Jack Suzuki. 
>In the early 1940s, executive order 9066 made it rather awkward (to say the
>least) to be Japanese.  Mr. Suzuki decided to change his last name to Soo.
>
>Yes, the same Jack Soo who went on to become a well-known actor.....

Sgt. Nick Yamane on "Barney Miller"  What else did he do?

>So was it justifiable for him to change his name to escape being interned?
>(And yes, he wasn't interned.)  (Or did my dad just make up this story?!)
>

I'm fairly certain that Goro Suzuki was in fact interned at Topaz.  `
			Mike Itamura
			mike@clubmezz.berkeley.edu
From: judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Need help forming an Asian American club
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:40:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct30.220652.1893@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@underdog (Dan Lam)
 writes:

>                              hey is this some sorority?  Does anyone
>know if there exist Asian-American fra/sororities on campus?  (A friend
>of mine told me that there are Asian-American sororities at UCLA).
>


UC Berkeley has 4 Asian American greek organizations, 2 sororities (K-D-Phi
and S-O-Pi) and 2 fraternities (Lambda Phi and Pi-Alpha-Phi, aka Pineapple).

Only the frats have houses, and they are all pretty much like regular 
frats/sororities (I think) except that they do some volunteer work targeted
at Asian American kids and sometimes when they have dances, the proceeds
go to Asian organizations (eg the Asian Women's Shelter).

Then there is Alpha Phi Omega (A-Phi-O), a ntl. co-ed _service_ fraternity
that just happens to be 97% Asian American at UC Berkeley. 

Hope that answered your ?.

Judy Tseng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Sticking Together (was Re: What is Asian ?)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.171918.16397@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
In article <1992Nov19.095055.1914@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>>[...] Yes, it is true that each racial group is intermarrying at less than
>>what truly random interactions should give you. 
>
>   The thing is that intermarriage is NOT a "truly random" interaction and
>never has been. Aside from the "similarity" arguement, the real overriding
>factor is availability--i.e., you're going to marry who's available to you.
>That's why whites aren't going to outmarry as much.  However....

Then instead of mentioning "randomness" at all, what I should have said was
that each group is intermarrying at a lower percentage than they would be if
there were total and complete absence of both racial divisions *and* prefer-
ences of mates based on race (i.e. a *TRUE* color-blind, racism-free society).

Mentioning "randomness" was poor semantics.  My bad.

>[and as far as availability is concerned, my soulmate is probably
>a continent and a half away....grumble, grumble.....]

And a half?  Eastern Canada?  Southern Mexico?  Alaska?  Western Europe?

>>[This is Big Game week, and the good guys are going to lose yet again.
>
>        No they're not....they didn't LAST year, did they?

Sure we did.  What was that awful score again...

Oh, I get it!  You mean *Stanford* is the good guys!  Ha ha ha, that's pretty
funny, Roger.  Next thing you'll be telling me we have naked guys walking
around our campus...

Jim
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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinese-American Relations (Was: Re: More Money than Votes)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:23:12 GMT

-
     Ahhhh, it's so pleasant to discuss a topic other than the usual one.

In article <1992Nov19.235505.10251@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.024929.2742@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:

>>     Really?  I believe Clinton will be more beneficial to the Chinese
>>people *as a whole*, at least if he pursues a cold war policy with China
>>like the one which brought the Soviet Union to it's demise.  Bush has
>>always struck me as too lenient and cozy with the Chinese government from
>>his days as an ambassador.  I think a cold war policy will bring democacratic
>>values to China a whole lot faster than Deng's reforms.  I little pain now
>>will make for a whole lot better future.

>USSR's breakdown is the biggest failure of this century.  People
>resulted living in poverty, requiring billions of aids from other
>countries.  When people have nothing to eat, do you still want
>to talk about democracy.

     Today's hardships in the USSR are the result of decades of communism.
If it weren't for the cold war induced (partially, at least) collapse, those
same people would endure communism for decades or even centuries longer.
They would suffer from the same poverty, the same hunger, the same lack of
basic human rights, the same oppression.  I want to shout democracy from
rooftops.

>On the contrary, in recent years.  China's
>reforms have brought big economic progress to the whole country and
>this would be the momentum for democracy in later years.

     Current Chinese government policy is not to bring democratic reform to
the people, but merely *economic* (capitalist) reform.  Questions of whether
the two are in fact seperable aside, this policy would still deny what we
consider basic human rights.  Nowhere are there provisions to allow the people
to speak freely, to congregate, to vote on the will of their government.  The
Chinese government wants the wealth democracy entails, but they aren't willing
to pay the piper, to give up their own authoritarian powers.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:26:35 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <1992Nov18.205344.10779@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>lifted martial law in ~1987.  Also note that under the genial English
>control of Hong Kong, protests have been permitted for a long time.
>(Unlike places where Chinese-cu run the gov't, Hong Kong has had a much
>greater respect for freedom of speech.)

Sorry dude, HK people have what you called Chinese-cu.  So you are
attacking all HK people here.  Please mind what you say.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Subject: Re: China and Japan
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:02:39 GMT

In article <69260@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
   A somewhat poignant story which crosses cultural 
   lines

   Hassan

   ------------------------------------------

   Far Eastern Economic Review
   ------------------------------------------
   Robots and puppets Manchu princess remembers the 
   past

   <deleted: story of Manchu princess>

Yeah ... now I have a better idea why China went Communist -- with idiots
like this being the royalty, I'd be pretty happy lopping off a few heads
and throwing a Cultural Revolution or two myself.

-Andy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew)
Subject: Miscegenation Law in California 
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:21:14 GMT

I apologize for the previous defective posts of this message, which showed
the header but no text. Here is the text.

During the 1939s or 1940s was there a law which prevented marriage between
Chinese and Caucasians in California? If so, would the law have applied to
an Amerasian?

A friend is writing a novel and wants to be correct on this point.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:02:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.083520.11599@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:
>Granted what Patrick Fisher said was gross, this is just as gross.  This
>comment is a negative reflection of how little Jim Pak knows "(white) 
>America".

I agree.  I probably know as much about "(white) America" as Fisher knows
about "Asian America" -- in other words, not much.

>I can conceive of some plausible reasons for white people to "stick together"
>in today's hostile society.

Lui, you don't have to waste your breath.  You don't need to list any reasons,
plausible or not.  White people have never needed "reasons" to justify their
sticking together.  They've been doing so throughout American history.  From
the moment this country was settled by European-Americans until now, and every
moment in-between.  They've never needed "reasons" -- they've just done it.
And probably always will, too.  No shame in that.

Why are you trying to defend something that needs no defense?

>For starters, we can start with the open animosity that many "minorities"
>have for white people and what they perceive as "white culture".

So are you saying that long before there was "open animosity" (your words,
not mine) from minorites, whites WEREN'T sticking together?  How about in
the '40s and '50s, when no person of color would have dared voice "open
animosity" towards "white culture."  Weren't whites sticking together even
then?  How about before that?  How about even earlier than that, when they
were taking the land away from the Indians?  Were they sticking together
then, or were they "assimilating" into Native American culture?

Your attempt to make justifiable reasons for whites to stick together in
today's society is a bit silly.  Lui, they don't need any reasons.  They
never have, and they never will.  They'll stick together if there was no
hostility, or tons of it.  History has proven this.  And there's nothing
wrong with that.  Because there's never been any such thing as a truly
heterogeneous and harmonious society.  You can have one but not the other.

Kind of sad that this is so, but that's just the way human beings are.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: chencp@athena.mit.edu (Charles Ping Chen)
Subject: call for college Asian American organizations
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:03:09 GMT

CALL FOR COLLEGE ASIAN AMERICAN ORGANIZATIONS

I am compiling a database of Asian American organizations to help
the colligiate Asian American community network with each other.

IF you are affiliated with any asian american organization on your
campus - regardless of the state you are in, please send me e-mail.

Please send the information below.

contact person
contact title
affiliation/organization
college/university
school address
school phone
school e-mail
other/home address
other/home phone

if you are interested in obtaining a copy, please e-mail me.

charles chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Jen.Shum@launchpad.unc.edu (Jen Shum)
Subject: Re: why ?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:17:35 GMT

In article <92320.104208EENG6903@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> EENG6903@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca writes:
>Why are the Japanese still using Kanji? When they can replace it
>by their own character/language.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: More Money than Votes
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:00:39 GMT

In article <BxHsF8.E7A@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>>Well, I hope these Asians would join the Republican party when they get
>>a chance. Face it: the Democratic party is/will be dominated by the blacks,
>>and we will never get anywhere working with them.. We must gain more power
>>by making ourselves larger in the Republican party..
>
>You may not have intended it this way, but this came across
>as a little racist .. perhaps you would like to rephrase it?

Not only that, past 12 years of Republican Administrations does not always
showed racial sensitivity in certain matters such as "welfare queens" of 
Pres Reagan and Willy Horton campaign of Pres Bush, for example, which many 
consider to be racial baiting political tactics and it's no secret, and
in my opinion, that makes less desirable to join Republican Party.  Besides,
concluding we will never get anywhere working with them *before* even trying
to do something with them is not constructive suggestion, short of racist
statement even though that may not have been intended implication, as 
Mr Watanabe suggested.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.indian
Subject: What is real racism?
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 14:59:25 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Just a piece of information.  This information is from Andrew Hacker's recent
book:  Two Cultures.   The rate for  out of wedlock births is about three
times as high for African Americans as it is for Whites.  However, the
rate for out of wedlock births is about three times as high for Whites as it
is for Chinese Americans.  What can we conclude from this?

Another piece of information, I do not remeber the source, but it shows a
table of infant mortality rates for various under developed countries.
Compared to others, China shows a very *steep* decline.  How many lives have
been saved in China as a result?  Probably millions.

So we should not rush to pass judgment too quickly.  It seems to me quite
obvious that Chinese culture has some virtues which we might well learn from.

Rohit Parikh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:37:34 GMT

In article <1ee6dbINNbm4@male.EBay.Sun.COM> august@sachsen.uni-dresden.de writes:
>Hello Netters,
>
>Is there a way to find out the listings for these so-called
>mail-order brides? I am a German businessman. I will go to
>Thailand next year for the vacations and am looking for a
>patient, educated woman of Asian birth. She will be treated
>with utmost respect.

Send US$1,499 money order or travellers check to: Shin&Smith World
Introduction Services, Inc., Tristate Business Park, Suite #A-13, 392 
Peek A-Boo Drive, Newark, Delaware, 19719, U.S.A. for introductory
information package.  It would help if you include more detailed 
description of characteristics of woman you desire to meet (rates
very).  Specify also type of psychiatric help you wish to receive.
Guarantted results.  Good luck and Thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Chinese-cu scared of European-Americans? (was Re: 50th Anniversary...)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:20:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.004902.2725@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>I should make a comment on this.  This kind of behavior is typical of
>Chinese-cu people, and although I don't really care what they say on USENET,
>I take the matter very seriously when they decide to take matters from USENET
>into real life.  They may think that it's game and that I helplessly won't do
>anything because they think that I'm Chinese-ge (even though I've never
>identified my ethnicity.)  These people would not try the same thing with
>a European-American.

And how do you know this?  Are you somehow saying that Chinese-cu people
are scared of European-Americans?  What makes you think such a thing?

Not to mention, since it's very possible that a Chinese-cu could be a
European-ge, American-ci (i.e. a Chinese-cu European-American), you have
the rather absurd situation of a Chinese-cu somehow being scared of himself.

So Dwight, what makes you think that if you were European-American instead
of whatever ethnicity you are, those Chinese-cu wouldn't dare mess with you?

Jim
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