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From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:41:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.004147.3795
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I guess you're just not paying attention.
 
Flash II is OUT.  People HAVE it.  The Supra modems are OUT.
People HAVE them too.  Like I said, I read the ST Roundtable
every night on GEnie, and people actually have these things.
 
The press release posted earlier is old.  Flash II was released
at the TAF show, and upgrades have already been shipped.  People
are using it, and loving it.
 
I know of several people that I've met on GEnie and they haev
the new Supra modems, and they love them!
 
The stuff exists, the stuff is supported.
-- 
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| Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Public Data Network
Summary: How is it? 
Keywords: online, compuserve, genie
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:49:02 EDT

I came across an ad for Public Data Network in Atari
Advantage.  Since the ad claims this service is supposed to
compete (or implies it is to compete) with Genie and
Compuserver AND since it boasts a $2.50/hr. connect time, I
thought I'd check it out.  I called an 800 number and that
number gave me a local number.  They give you a free 30
minutes to check things out.  I didn't really have the time to
do it yet, but I was just wondering if anyone else out there
uses/subscribes to this service?
One thing I like is that they do NOT charge a monthly fee (if
you want to go that route).
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
From: elendir@pegase.enst.fr (Vincent Habchi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Word processors, copro and memory
Keywords: ...
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:17:57 GMT
Organization: Telecom-Paris, France


 Hello. Some answers :

1. The best word processor I know is "Le redacteur" from Epigraph. It is quick
   has footnotes, mailing, fonts, graphics, math formulae, etc... capabilities.
   It can also import/export files with Microsoft Word format.
   The only drawback is that this WP is designed for the French and uses
   French keyboard.

2. Unfortunately, you have to insert a GAL in the mega STE to get your 881
   running fine. I have the JEDEC file. I will post this and the debugged
   High-density PAL tomorrow or maybe Tuesday.

3. To reduce memory size form 4 to 2 megs without disturbing your ST, one can,
   at boot time, put $1f.ffff in the system variable which designs the end of
   RAM. Unfortunately, I have not the address here, but I will post it this
   afternoon.

 Vince.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Patches to Lightspeed C debugger
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro)
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign


I was out of town and unfortunately missed the patches to the Lightspeed C debugger.
I am considering getting this package, but only if the debugger works.  Could some
kind soul mail me the patch, along with any comments on its effectiveness.

Thanks in advance!

--Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: File number limit ?
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:22:15 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

Well there are 2 Hyperformat Programs, one is a PD incomplete
copy type program, very buggy, and the othere is Hyperformat 3.2, this
is NOT PD at ALL or Shareware...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: godot@uni-paderborn.de (Frank Baumgart)
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Organization: Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Paderborn
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.090428.22221@deis35.cineca.it>, fabrizio@deis64.cineca.it (Fabrizio Lugli) writes:
|> Does anybody know if an english version of Pure C exists ?
It does not.

|> Why the best C compiler for the Atari ST is still not supported outside Germany ?
|> Problems with Borland ?
That's it.

Frank
From: coope@bert.cs.byu.edu (Brian C. Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: File number limit ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:56:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hamblin.1992Apr7.085633.27055
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department

In article <1992Apr6.210144.13254@news2.cis.umn.edu> charlie@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Charlie Demerjian) writes:
>In <7252@laas.laas.fr> doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet,149,6323) writes:
>
>>Yesterday, when grouping fonts collections on one floppy,
>>the copy stopped with the message  "invalid copy operation".
>>When looking at what have been copied on the floppy, I noticed
>>it contained 128 files, and had much free space left.
>>This is a too familiar number to not remark it.
>
>>So, the question is:
>>  - is 128 a limit for the number of files that can fit on a floppy?
>
>I think you might have filled up your FAT's. Try using a formatter that allows you to expand the size of the FAT and retry the copy operation. There is a German program that allows you to do this. It is called Hyperformat, and it allows you to control alm
>ost all the disk format parameters.

Another possibility is that he tried to put all those files in the
root directory.  The root directory of any MS-DOS disk can only take a
limited number of files, I believe, since it retains compatibility with
the original flat file system of some early version of DOS.  Since the
Atari file system is compatible with the MS-DOS file system, it shares 
the same limitations.  Try creating a folder on the floppy and copying
the files into that folder.  Subdirectories are files and are only limited
in size by the media size.

You might get around it by reformatting the disk and setting up the
boot block to allow more directory entries in the root directory, but it
sounds like a pain.
So I need a signature....
coope@bert.cs.byu.edu
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From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:20:56 GMT
Subject: Atari Buying Up Good Software?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st


The past week I've read (on GEnie) that Atari has purchased SuperBase 
for the ST from Oxxi, Inc (which bought it from Precision Software, the 
creators of the program). Also, I read that Atari bought LDW Power (from 
LDW). In both cases, the story seems to be, upgrades are no longer available 
from these companies for these programs, and no one seems to know what 
the deal is.

Let me clarify this: the above information comes from people that have 
called these companies to inquire about upgrades, and posted what they were
told on GEnie.

So: what's going on? Is Atari going to find a nice home for these programs
(which are arguably among the top productivity applications for the ST)? Can
we look forward to future enhancements?

Inviting speculation, positive or negative, BUT.... please post blatant 
pointless whining elsewhere!

(And, of course, if anyone knows that these rumors are false, PLEASE correct
them!)

Disclaimer: I have no fiduciary interest in any of the companies mentioned,
and I cannot vouch for the accuracy of these rumors!!!

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    % Andy Cassino                                       %
    % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Rumours about new releases....
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:41:54 GMT

More Coal On the Fire...

In article <1992Apr13.123935.27069@decuk.uvo.dec.com> arendi@loke.soo.dec.com  writes:
>	1. The MEGA STE series will be dropped
>	2. Replaced by a new TT 020 with tos ON DISK!!!
>	3. The new series, no name, will be called home computers
>	     and replace 520 and 1040 but will have a up to 60 MIPS 
>	     performance.
>	@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>	Not granted, just rumours!!!!
>	@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

1. I just got a pak of promotional material
 from Atari Corp. yesterday and while this MAY or MAYNOT 
MEANT ANYTHING AT ALL. The pack contained a color 1040ste
promo (very nice 4 page jobber with a popup ste) and just
a black and white xerox of for the MegaSte, the MegaSte
promo lookes exactly like ste promo except for some reason
they didnt have any color ones, or any on hand or they arent
printing anymore (an eyebrow raised :). Coincidence? Maybe.
And then Maybe Not.

2. a TT 020, hmmm I think not. Maybe its just me but the
020 is not the platform for a new computer, as cpus
go its like someone seriously bringing out an ALL NEW 286
clone. "Na gonnna duit" to quote a famous skit on SNL. If
I where playing armchair ceo, Id make the TT030 the new Mega
Class, Skrag the ste and make the low end the Mega Ste and
make the Falcon a showstopper $2500 hundred dollar machine. I
think Atari would seriously move some computers.

3. The Promo for the ST Book looks great, I was really glad
to see a good looking promo for an Atari product, in color none
the less.

My new world order; (In price, not neccessarily performace)
1.5G Falcon
1.0G TT030 
.75G Sparrow & St Book/Pad
 .5G MegaSte
.25G Portfolio
 
Thats what Id like to see, I guess anyone is entitled to a dream.
-- 
Are You gonna buy another game-BOY or are you going to play
an Atari Lynx --Atari Lynx Commercial on WFLD Fox-32 (close
enough to the orignal)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:7314 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:2706
From: JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Verify Prob. again, & Disable 2 megs.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:21:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92104.172148JJL101
 <H.OQFQPNwpHw6@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>
Organization: Penn State University


    Thanks for the replies so far folks, but alas the problem is not due to
game playing.  The problem stems from not being able to do large file copies
in programs that store the files to RAM before copying to a hard drive.
As far as I can pinpoint, whenever files cross the original 2 megs of RAM
and go into the Xtra Ram boards 2 megs for storing the files between reading
of source and writing to destination, something happens.... as during the
write process I get spurious Write Error messages followed by Sense 4 errors
on the drive.
    Of course I had thought it the drive or controller problem, but after
much testing with varying amounts memory being used, the logical thing is
something to do with memory.
    If i load up a 2 megs of ramdisks and accs, I can copy less than 500K
of files before I start receiving these write errors, with NO ACCS or
ram disks, I can copy about 1.5 Megs of files with no problems.  Anything
more and the problems begin, this is why I assume it must have something to
do with memory problems.  I have not disconnected the board as I was not the
installer and hate messing with other folks work, and would much prefer a softw
are solution for disabling EXACTLY those ramchips.
    Oh and this problem never show on normal file copies from the desk top
as it only loads one file into mem then copies it, but in NEODESK, VAULT,
CHEETAH, etc which load files into ram as possible and then copy, this ALWAYS
happens when the files length approach the barriers I mentioned above.
    Any thoughts still appreciated,

    PS. Yes I did post this problem before when I thought it stemmed from the
hard drive, but after much testing I think it is now somehow a memory problem.
How does write verify work on ICD host adaptors and software?  Could it
possibly be munging this verify buffer? (as it often happens that even though
it gave an write error, I cannot seem to find anything wrong with the
written file)
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J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math....

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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:13:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <32520@darkstar.ucsc.edu> monsoon@cats.ucsc.edu (Len A. DeJesus) writes:
> 	Well, all of this arguing is fine and dandy, but I wonder if anyone
> thought about the notion that perhaps more developers will come out to make
> stuff for this gemulator on the pc (if it gets popular enough) which might
> in turn create more ST software...

This is theoretically possible, but I don't think it's realistic. I don't
think PC owners (who've never had an ST) would buy a Gemulator at all.
They would if it could run Notator and Cubase, because the PC has little
or no MIDI software with integrated notation, but it can't. And maybe for
Calamus.

No, I think the only market for Gemulator is from ST owners or ex-ST owners
who already have ST software, in which case it's bad because it gives people
reason to dump their ST but keep some of their ST software. Sure, Atari
might scrape together a few bucks from it since you need the Atari ROMs,
but they sell those at cost anyway. But I don't think it'll do anything for
ST software. Just reduce the ST hardware base. By a very small amount, since
it's so expensive, and compatibility is bad currently. Now, if it could
run Notator, they would sell a few of them...
--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ZNET 9214 (REALLY LONG!, I mean it).
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:56:13 GMT
Organization: Z*NET International News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes:

> 
> To subscribe, contact stzmagazine-request@virginia.edu.
> 
> If you have easy access to the magazines, it would be *great* if you could
> forward them to the mailing list moderator. Delivery of them hasn't been
> very regular.
> 
>  ---
>  Steve Yelvington              Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA 
>  steve@thelake.mn.org          umn-cs!thelake!steve 

 Steve,
 
 What is the email address of the moderator?


                           _
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey)
Subject: Maple (Was: None
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:36:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.155225.1386@rose.uucp> mark.thomas@rose.com (mark thomas) writes:
>
>I am looking for advanced mathematics programs for the ST. I believe the
>someone made a reference to a program called "Maple". Could someone
>please fill me in as to what this and other programs are capable of
>doing?  A symbolic manipulator or statistical package would be nice. :-)
>As I am taking university sciences, I am not interested in the
>highschool level progams I see in my local computer store.

Maple is a top quality symbolic algebra package.  Think of any other
competetive name in the field, and I think you will find that Maple has
the mathematical edge.  Sadly, the latest version that I know about is
for the Atari is not the latest, but one can still get Version 4.2.
This is still high quality stuff, and you will not likely outgrow it,
even through your graduate studies in mathemtics or engineering.  It is
used by a large group of researchers throughout the world, and there is
good support.

This note came from someone associated with the project.

>From jbrennan@daisy.waterloo.edu Mon Feb 25 09:28 EST 1991
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 09:28:24 EST
From: Joyce Brennan <jbrennan@daisy>

Maple 4.2 is currently available for the Atari.  The price for a
single user copy of this program is Can $475.  Site licenses are also
available.  If interested, please ask for details.

You will need at least four megabytes of disk space on the destination
drive (space for at least 150 folders).

Thank you for requesting information about Maple.  Please send me your
full postal address, including university/business affiliation, and
phone/Fax numbers, and I will mail a comprehensive information package
to you.   This package should answer most, if not all, of your questions.  
If after receiving this information package you have any further
questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Would you please tell us how you learned about Maple. Was it through a
colleague or through one of our programs:  advertising, direct mail,
card deck, conference or editorial coverage? We also welcome all customer
comments about Maple. Our technical team considers these carefully for all
improvements and updates to the product. Thank you for your help.

               Joyce Brennan, Distribution Manager
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "True Color" (Was: Falcon)
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:15:38 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>Sigh... let's try it one more time...
> 
>"True Color" means that the human eye cannot tell the
>difference between a computer generated image and the "real"
>thing.
> 
>This phenomenon happens when you reach 24 bits per pixel,
>giving approximately 16 million different colors.

Sigh :-), sorry to disappoint you, but 256 shades of grey is
no where near the limit of human vision - and that's all the
shades of grey you get with 24 bits (since grey requires all
the R, G, and B values to be the same).  I've seen it with
my own eyes.  Anyone with a TT can switch to grey mode (giving
just 256 shades of grey), and see it for themselves.  Sure,
it's not IMEDIATELY obvious, but you can see the difference.
It is VERY obvious when a circle, of say grey level 100, appears
on a screen all of grey level 99.

So let's just say that there is not point having anything "better"
than "True Colour", just higher resolution.


Warwick
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:28:30 -0400 
From: Mark Choi <mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: mega ste price
	<1992Apr10.110405.8491@sci.kun.nl>

Actually, the GEM interface, as implemented by a lot of developers, is
far from standard. Look at LDW and tell me where the Quit option is.
This is a shame, and the perpetraotrs should be shot:)

mark
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:19:54 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Apr9.173110.6719@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>Yes, Atari is offering TOS 2.06 as an upgrade to Mega STE's.  It's
>$60, but I recommend against getting it just yet.  See, another
>upgrade they're offering is the high density floppy upgrade.  For
>$150, you get a new disk drive, the AJAX drive controller chip, 
>AND TOS 2.06, so it's a better deal that way.

If anyone knows where I can get this 1.44meg drive upgrade, I'd sure like
to hear it. :^)


-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
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  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
From: chang@ADELPHI-ASSB01.ARMY.MIL (Forrest Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Solution to munged partition data
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:07:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: adelphi-.9204141607.AA03482


	WHat hdx (circa march 86) did was indeed to delete the partition info.
So using icdfrmt, I rewrote the partition info (since I knew what size 
they were) and the data was restored.  Unfortunately, before I chose the
option to "rewrite partition info only", I decided to rebuild partition C:,
so I lost the info on that.

	Moral:  if you hook up an atari sh204 to the dma out of a toadfile
(icd hostadaptor) and then try to format the sh204 with the original hdx 
that came with it and end up zeroing the partion data on the first three
of your six partitions (no too mention changing the size of the partition),
you can recover the first three parition by rewriting the correct partition
info with icdfmt.  This should work in other cases of munging up the
partition info.  I praise ICD for including this option in their standard
disk utils.

	Fo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Jukebox STM player
From: shore@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:35:24 MET
Reply-To: shore@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: Equinox Networks, ChCh, New Zealand ||| Node: Yonder
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992

In <3784@wet.UUCP>, Ed Krimen writes:
>In article <kq0wiB4w164w@equinox.gen.nz> shore@equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>>
>>Speaking about Jukebox... for some reason I can't get it to work
>> on my STE (2 megs RAM)... It loads the MOD okay, plays for 10 - 20
>> seconds, then crashes with a horrible low pitch buzzing (like it's
>> playing junk out of the computers RAM)
>>
>> Any ideas why??
>
>What else do you have installed?  Maybe you have a bad MOD?  Which one is it?

Umm, dunno what else was installed... Nope, not a bad MOD, i've got
 heaps of them & have tried several.

 Craig.

(.sig under construction!!!)
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 14:06:57 MES
From: <ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line
 <1992Apr10.212030.1067@cs.mcgill.ca>

In article <1992Apr10.212030.1067@cs.mcgill.ca>, bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick
BETREMIEUX) says:
>
>Why use GDOS ??? The ST is perfectly capable of performing *great* font
>control (Proportional and all) without this piece of #@#@!!. GDOS is nothing
>more than a product made for you to give $$$$ to Atari.
>

Wrong. You can get both Atari GDOS and AMCGDOS for free (at least here in
Germany).

>The VDI has a function called vst_loadfonts. passing 0 as font number, and
>the address of the font header in ptsin(0) and ptsin(1) will have it use
>this font THE RIGHT WAY. You can pass in 1 for the 6x6 font (Nothing in
>ptsin then), 2 for 8x8 or 3 for 8x16. What more do you need ???
>

This works if and only if GDOS is NOT installed (check this with vq_gdos).

>As for printer drivers, well, TOS accepts quite a bunch of types on its
>own (Like the Atari Laser, any Epson comp. dot matrix, even some color ones)
>

You need GDOS to access these drivers|

>And using the 6x6 font is good in a window, as it will make up for the space
>taken by the window border !!!
>
>                                        Patrick BETREMIEUX
>