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From: reus@klein.euromath.dk (Jens Peter Reus Christensen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: hate mail
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:42:06 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Math.


   People like yourself are driving a wedge between the U.S. and
   Israel, and poisoning the well of good relations between Jews 
   and non-Jews in general.

   As I said before, keep up the fine public relations work and keep
   those lovely notes coming.
   ---
    ~ OLX 3.0 31-2557 ~ Aibohphobia (n): The fear of palindromes
   --
   Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
*****

I have a feeling of deja vu !! Happy holidays in the United States.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman)
Subject: Re: Jihad is self-defence
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 07:17:50 GMT

osamakl@iastate.edu (Osama Al-Shaykh-Yousef) writes:

>>>   Jihad is self defense.

>What do you call you army?
>It is the Israeli defensive army. War is self defense!


If someone else attacks you, and you fight back, than yes, war
is self-defense.
--
msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu				GO CUBS!!!

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boy
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.183533.14758@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.171854.14797@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com
>(Jake Livni) writes:

>> Too bad for those Imperialist U.S. Marines in Somlia, huh?  
>> Yankees out of Africa? 

>1. The U.S. has announced its intentions to remain in Somalia for only a
>short period of time. 

If the US withdraws when the Somalis are sufficiently well-fed to
resume a full-scale civil war, will the US be working in their better
interests?  Should the Israelis just let the Arabs in Israel slaughter
each other without any rule of law?

>Israel has expressed no desire to withdraw from
>Palestinian land (It is also U.S. policy not to support a Palestinian
>state, BTW).

Deceptive and misleading, Brad/Ali.  Tsk, tsk.  Israel has expressed
little desire to withdraw from ISRAEL, but has no interest in the
remainder of what was once the region known as Palestine and is now
Jordan. 

>2. U.S. troops are ostensibly in Somalia to facilitate the feeding of
>starving people. Israeli troops are not in Palestinian land to help the
>Palestinians but to maintain a military presence over the territory and
>protect Israelis who have moved onto Palestinian land.

Israeli troops are in Israel the same way that Americans have military
bases in the United States.  If there is a major civil unrest or
natural disaster, the military may be called to control the situation.
The National Guard does the same here as the Border Police does in
Israel.  

You are assuming that the West Bank is "Palestinean land".  It is odd
that you do not assume this of Jordan, even though most Jordanians
call themselves Palestinean and most Palestineans are Jordanians.  Did
anyone ever call the Jordanians an "occupying power"?  Why not?

>3. It is my belief that it is a fundamental right of people to resist
>the forced occupation of their land by a foreign army. 

This is precisely why the Jordanians are willing to fight an Israeli
attack on Jordan.  This is also why the Israelis are adamant about
removing the PLO from Israel, along with Hamas, just like the Lebanese
were anxious to remove these same troublemakers.  There is only room
for one government in one country.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: The Hadith about Muslims killing the J
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.163758.17532@synapse.bms.com> henry@bms.com writes:

>>  Actually, most of them were atheist or borderline atheist. However, they
>>still felt that Israel should belong to the members of the so called Jewish
>>nation. Israel does not revolve around the ideas of the Jewish religion (I
>>wish), Israel revolves around the idea of the Jewish people. The result
>>is racist at best.

>There is no "..so called Jewish nation" - there is Jewish Nation, Mazen.

  What is "so called" is the notion of a Jewish nation almost divorced from
the Jewish religion. It is an excuse to take Palestine and to found Israel
without obeying the rules of justice ingrained in the Jewish religion.

>I noticed that you get irritated that Jews exist..

  Thank you for your concern, but I do not regret their existance. I only with
that the actions of some of them were less barbaric.

>There are 4.000.000 Jews in Israel - a lot of irritation, HMMMM...?

  Again, I am grateful for your concern. Since I am a Muslim, the way I deal
with other groups within Palestine is not the same as the way Israel does.
Justice must always be applied. No oppression is acceptable, even toward the
innocent people within the lands of our ennemies.

>What are you going to do about it ?

  Preach Justice and work for it.


Mazen Mokhtar
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Dec21.193445.29576@ennews.eas.asu.edu> <29800@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:41:26

In article <29800@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>   In article <1992Dec21.193445.29576@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   ~	The fact of the matter is they are all supporters of HAMAS.
>
>   This statement simply has not been proved. In fact one of the expulsees
>   was simply a butcher serving meat to one of the other expulsees - he
>   was just rounded up with the rest by the soldiers.

Another would-be deportee was a news correspondent for several foreign
news services (New York Times, among others) who was also a Gaza
Palestinian.  Just before he was to have been sent to Lebanon, the
Israelis said in effect, "Oops, must be a clerical error.  You don't
get deported."

--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Islamic Fundamentalism
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:21:12 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast


	After Hamas gets its way and all of Palestine is
	subject to fundamentalist Islamic rule,  what will life
	be like in the new state? The following perhaps gives
	a flavor of things to come.

	From the LA Times, 12/27/92, p.A19:
	In recent weeks, for the first time in memory, young
	Saudi men have begun fighting back against the feared
	religious police, starting several brawls
	in shopping malls with the bearded men, who are often
	equipped with small whips and who harass shoppers for
	improper Islamic dress, illegal mingling of the sexes or
	failure to close shops during the five periods of prayer
	each day.

	From the LA Times, 12/27/92, p.A20:

	Just how far the [Saudi] government was prepared to go to
	appease the new Islamic fervor became dramatically clear on
	Sept. 3, when a 22-year-old man who had publicly questioned
	God and the prophet Mohammed at the age of 17 was beheaded
	in a public square in the eastern city of Qatif.
	In its official report on the case, the government noted
	that the young man, Sadeq Abdelkarim Malallah, had repented
	when religious leaders met with him in prison, but 
	emphasized that his statements against religion constituted
	"a crime that calls for death, even in the presence of
	repentance, as a way of avenging what is due to God's 
	prophet".
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportaion
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:23:24 GMT

In article <1hi4mjINNik1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
# From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
 
# >Funny, I don't recall seeing any posts from you shedding your
# >crocodile tears when Kuwait expelled over 100,000 Palestinian
# >residents after the Gulf war.  Mind you, these were not people
# >inciting others to murder like the Hamas boys.  They were kicked out
# >just for being Palestinian.  And not a peep from you, or any of the
# >hippocrates at the United Nations who routinely ignore Arab civil
# >rights abuse.
 
# >But I guess thats okay.  Arabs are allowed to kill, or expel one
# >another by your logic.  You only scream when Israel is involved.
 
# However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
# not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
# from Gaza Strip and West Bank.  

	They were kicked out of Judea and Samaria, parts of the eternal
Jewish homeland.  And if they did not want to get kicked out, they had
no business joining Hamas.

# If some jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# then we come to the root question that is: Where jews came from and where
# palestinians came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..

	The Jews come from there.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
invaders.

# Palestine is NOT "a land without nation for a nation with out land."

	Correct.  There has never been a "palestine?".
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.035253.18735@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org
(Alan Stein) writes:
> jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani) writes:
> 
> >From soc.culture.arabic (fwd):
> 
> >Upset about killing of a soldier, but no problem in killing a 7 year
old child,
> >right? Read on...
> 
> >In article <102739@netnews.upenn.edu> afm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Santa
Claus...) writes:
> >>I have just learned that 9 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army in 
> >>clashes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over the expulsion of the 400 
> >>Palestinians. One of the victims is a 7-year old girl.
> >>This news is not confirmed as yet. If anyone has heard anything like that, 
> >>please post.
> >>
> The death of a child is always a tragic event.  It's truly shameful
> that the girl's parents were more interested in her participating in
> violence against the Israelis than in her safety.  Here in America,
> such parents would be be prosecuted for, at the very least,
> endangering the welfare of their child.
> -- 
> Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org

This would make sense except that you overlook the fact that Israeli
soldiers often make the decision to fire live ammunition into crowds. It
would not be possible otherwise for them (in my opinion), without brutal
intent, to wound or kill scores of people at a time. I do not know about
the particular case involving this girl but I do know that the news
reports stated that at least 30 people were wounded at the same time
that this girl was killed along with 5 young men (a similar case earlier
this year resulted in some 80 people being wounded). It is very
presumptuous of you to claim that she was engaged in violence against anyone. 

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Nobel prize for Rabin
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:16:55 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.23.70

In article 29558@castle.ed.ac.uk, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>Brendan recently foresaw (presumably after detailed perusal of MEQ 15(?))
>the possibility of Rabin being awarded a Nobel peace prize. I would like
>to second this nomination, which would place Rabin in the Pantheon of
>Peacemakers along with such worthies as Henry Kissinger, who, as we all
>recall, made peace in Vietnam.

Er, there was a teensy-weensy requirement about making a genuine peace
with the Palestinians to be fulfilled first.  I was trying to be
optimistic, but alas the only decoration Rabin has earned so far
is the Golden Jackboot.  I am watching carefully for any evidence
that he neither wants to derail the peace process nor is a complete
idiot.  Maybe my glasses need cleaning. 

>===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

Brendan.
===================================================================
"At intervals, growing gradually nearer, came a queer sound, as if
a thousand nurses, taking their time for the matron, were delivering
in rhythmic chastisement a thousand resounding smacks on the
posteriors of a thousand children".  H.V. Morton in Baghdad, ca. 1936.
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Political Farce
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:55:12 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <5092@ceylon.gte.com> sg04@gte.com writes:
# The Western and Arab presses are crying great tears for the
# poor deportees who are "stranded in no-mans" land. They
# cry about the wretched conditions, etc. 
# 
# This is a huge farce.
# 
# If the Arabs, the Arab countries, Lebanon, or the deportees
# actually viewed this as a case of danger, a situation where
# their brothers required rescue or saving. Then this would
# be done immediately. That is if they actually cared about them.
# No one would actually leave a loved one in a position of physical
# danger.
# 
# Instead what we have is a media event. The Lebanese (who can
# "save" them at any time - do not do so. They do not allow them
# to go to a 3rd country, nor do they want them. They do not care
# about "saving the deportees" from their "plight". No instead,
# they intensify their plight by denying them food, water, and medical
# care. At this is all exactly what the deportees want. And indeed
# the deportees applaud the actions of the Lebanese.
# 
# This is no humanitarian situation! No one really cares what happens
# to these people. They are a "tool" and instrument for making politics.
# That is, for attacking Israel. The actual health of the deportees is
# not important to the Arabs, the Western Press, nor the deportees themselves.
# What is important is the political capital that can be made from this
# scene
# 
# And in microcosm this is the entire "palestinian" issue. No Arab really
# cares about the palestinians. But is is a great weapon to use against 
# Isreal and the Jews. They hate Jews and Israel. And "palestinians" make
# a great tool for venting this anti-semitism. 
# 
# If there was any such care for palestinians, more fuss would have been made
# about Kuwait. But no, in that situation there was no Israel or World Jewry
# to attack. So why should the Western Press, or Arabs make a fuss. 

We've done this one already.  You're a little late.

# And the bottom line is that there are no palestinians. There are only
# Arabs living in Israel. Arabs in Isreal are good weapons to use to vent
# Arab Hatred and Racism against Jews. Arabs in Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon,
# Jordan (even though they are "palestinians" in palestinian deportee camps)
# are not weapons, and thus they lose the identitiy of palestinians. This
# is clear proof of the non-existance of any such entity as a palestinian.


Uhh..  Yeah.  Right.

Basalat Ali Raja.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Dec30.035927.8795@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:57:09

In article <1992Dec30.035927.8795@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>	   Assuming the census data was correct (I am not making a judgement
>   either way on that here), assuming it is not a case of comparing
>   apples with oranges (one area was extremely dense and that hides the
>   fact that no one lived on other parts, which is my guess), and
>   assuming their definition of "palestine?" is the same as what we are
>   referring to here (my guess is that it is not) either the Ottoman
>   empire had no density worth speaking of or its inhabitants had
>   extremely abnormal digestive patterns (sand and swamp water must have
>   been staples).

I always thought that ancient Israel was considered the land of milk
and honey.  It was certainly well settled before the Hebrews got
there.  (The Hebrews did after all massacre lots of people to get
their Israel.)  Now it is well known that the 20th century Zionists
and Israelis have reclaimed a lot of land from the desert and swamps,
but certainly not all of pre-20th century Palestine was unproductive
land.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The Hadith about Muslims killing the Jews / Hamas vs. Sunnah
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:54:40 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <4582@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.162523.17535@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Dec16.013422.2042@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com
>> (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
> Dein       law of
> Mohamed    Mohamed
> B'seif     With a sword
> 
> The principle mean: You should distribute the Islamic faith by killing
> those who refuse accepting it.
> So the Hamas operations , like the PLO ones, and the democratic front
> for fredom ones and the ... are all justified from Islamic point of
> view.

Fashart bi aInak, if deen muhamad was beassief thir would be no jews 
left on earth. The only safe place for jews from europ was in dar al islam. 

>  The American point of view considers the Arabs to be just some kind of
> primitive persons , like all non western people, who actualy behave
> against their real humman aspirations .
> Human aspiration, according to the american naive thought are , as a
> nature law, identical with the ideas written in the American
> constitution including the corrections done through years !)

American humanism to some genocide to others WOUNDED KNEE, and the near 
anihilation of the native americans. Stealling all thier lands nad thier
basic rights. On par with Israel.
                                  

>  An arabian old say: " acontract is nothing but an ink on a paper".
> 
> We shell overcome    Gideon Ehrlich
    ^^^^^^^
Just like all UN resolutions on the Middle East. Which by a coincidence
happen to always condemn Israel as an agressor. 

Imagine french resistance getting hold of a Natzi soldier. What are they
supposed to do with him. 

1 - Release him. so he may join in thier killing and the killing of the Jews!

2 - Kill him and one less basterd of the enemies soldiers.

Option one in the definitely the option for those in palestine. Option two
is the option for the anti nazi resistance.

We BP, Texas, Gulf, Exxon overcome Teritze PAlestine.

Kamie