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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: YEAH RIGHT!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:56:33 GMT
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>>>: >In article <1992Sep23.162139.1120@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, 
z_arthurjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

: >>                I think astrology sucks!<<<<




              Astrology thinks you suck too!
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re: cusps and such)
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:16 GMT

s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>mrcarl@milton.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>>xkramer@dante.nmsu.edu (KRAMER) writes:
>>
>>>Like most people who were on a day when the sun changes
>>>sign I've wondered for years whether I was really an Aries
>>>or a Taurus (or whatever). In my case, most people cite
>>>my stubbornness as evidence that I _must_ be a Taurus--
>>>but then there are the folks who think I'm so egocentric
>>>I have to be an Aries. :)
>
>>As for your sun sign.  My belief and the belief of other astrologers is
>>that when your sun sign is toward the end of its sign and the beginning of
>>the next sign (i.e. in your case Aries and Taurus), your sun will take on
>>characteristics of both signs.  Think of the colors in the spectrum of
>>white light.  Red "blends" into orange which "blends" into yellow, etc.
>>So too with each astrological sign.  So you will exhibit qualities of both
>>aries and taurus, which seems to agree with the statement that you made
>>about yourself above.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>
>I have to disagree (well I would wouldn't I) That is a modern theory which
>seems to have come about through people confusing a conjunction between
>a planet and the cusp of a sign with  a planet and the cusp of a house.
>
>As we all know when a planet is within 5' of of the next house we treat
>it as being in that house.  This works fine in these circumstances.

>When dealing with the signs you are *either* one or the other, not both.

>Xavier Gallagher

I am of the 'blending school; It is very well to take account of the sign
the body is *in*; yet there is no way to ignore its proximity to the next -
be that a sign or a house. If 5 degrees in advance of a *house* accentuates
the next house, then we should allow the same for *signs*. My friend Hank
is of the "discrete logic"; I am of the "continuous logic". Which you
choose to reflect is your choice. I use Placidus Tropical Topocentric.
AITO {As It Turns Out}, it *also* teaches, merely to compare what the house
systems have to say in regard to an other.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:52:59 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <mrcarl.717806531@milton> mrcarl@milton.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>xkramer@dante.nmsu.edu (KRAMER) writes:
>
>
>>Like most people who were on a day when the sun changes
>>sign I've wondered for years whether I was really an Aries
>>or a Taurus (or whatever). In my case, most people cite
>>my stubbornness as evidence that I _must_ be a Taurus--
>>but then there are the folks who think I'm so egocentric
>>I have to be an Aries. :)

>
>As for your sun sign.  My belief and the belief of other astrologers is
>that when your sun sign is toward the end of its sign and the beginning of
>the next sign (i.e. in your case Aries and Taurus), your sun will take on
>characteristics of both signs.  Think of the colors in the spectrum of
>white light.  Red "blends" into orange which "blends" into yellow, etc.
>So too with each astrological sign.  So you will exhibit qualities of both
>aries and taurus, which seems to agree with the statement that you made
>about yourself above.
>
>Mark
>

I have to disagree (well I would wouldn't I) That is a modern theory which
seems to have come about through people confusing a conjunction between
a planet and the cusp of a sign with  a planet and the cusp of a house.

As we all know when a planet is within 5' of of the next house we treat
it as being in that house.  This works fine in these circumstances.

When dealing with the signs you are *either* one or the other, not both.
The fact that the native might have certain attributes of the next sign
could be a result of the position of Mercury and Venus, both of which
stay close to the sun at all times.  Equally, it could be because all
signs are present somewhere in the chart and so some people will pick up
the egotism of the Aries while others might pick up more bullish attributes.

Xavier Gallagher
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tjc@chinet.chi.il.us ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: ASPECT INTERPRETATION AND INTERCEPTIONS
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:47:10 GMT

Andy Vogelmann  writes:
>1.  When looking for aspects, should the actual number of degrees separating
>    the bodies be used?

Yes.

>    I would think so (as one book states), but all books seem to plot the
>    houses equal-angularly (the 360 degrees are divided evenly into 12
>    30-degree houses) 

In the US, it has been traditional to make the houses appear equal
while letting the sign size float, but in Europe they tend to use
a system which would appear more normal to you and me which keeps
the signs stable and lets the house size float.  I suspect that deep
within the mists of history, some astrology publisher sold chart
forms of that shape, and astrologers all went along...

Those who interpret a chart mainly by sign and house placement find
that chart form easy to work with, not to mention very easy to fill
out, while those who emphasize aspects prefer the European form.  
With the advent of charts made by computer rather than by hand, the
European form is likely to become more popular.

> and, in the event of an interception, the intercepted
>    sign is just "included" to the respective house without "widening" the
>    angular representation of that house on the chart.  
>
>2.  Is there any special meaning ascribed to a planetary body being
>    intercepted?

Those who used the American chartforms saw the intercepted signs as
taking up little space and so ascribed little power to such signs.
Those using European forms see the house containing an intercepted
sign as being huge, and so ascribe it more power.  Hmm...

>-A confused Gemini (What else is new?)

A Pisces who sees confusion as the highest blessing of the gods.

-- 
    tom chapin					tjc@chinet.chi.il.us
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: 1992 QB1, Beyond Pluto
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:10:52 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

The Object Beyond Pluto file just posted will be of interest to
astrologers. I found it in, of all places, alt.alien.visitors, and
have been trying for a couple of days to forward it to alt.astrology,
but was hindred by a malfunctioning server. Can someone convert
the location given into either Tropical or Sideral zodiacal location?

Those posters who have question how and why Uranus, Neptune and Pluto
were named, and qualities assigned to them, may have a front row
seat to observe that process if this turns out to be a new planet or
even an appreciable asteroid!

Regards, Lou
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:48:09 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct2.192952.8979@u.washington.edu> mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:

>Good point of discussion.
>
>What house system(s) are you all using?  Maybe we could respond and say why
>we use the system(s) that we use.

Myself, I use no houses whatsoever, and signs only a little. I mainly
use aspects, midpoints and most importantly transits to see the chart
unfold in time.

I started off using Placidus (don't we all) for no good reason other
than I only had Raphaels table of houses... <grin>

Equal houses, which are very popular in the UK, I never did get on
with because the concept of the MC as something that could be in the
8,9,10 or 11 house just didn't seem to gel.

I tried Koch houses breiefly once I discovered Hand, but still found
them unsatisfactory.

Eventually I let myself accept that aspects, midpoints and transits to
the *angles* were significant, but to intermediate cusps (in whatever
system) were not. So I dropped them. Then I discovered the Ebertin
school of thought, which also seems to get on fine without houses. Has
anyone else dropped them?



--
Chris Lilley
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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Mr Cern
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:50:50 GMT

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>
>Gee I hope you were really giving what you knew to be diametrically opposite to
>the correct interpretation in the hopes I'd contradict you.  Otherwise you'd
>better go back to the drawing board.
>
>Thanks for trying though.  Now using what I've revealed here, everyone else can
>go back and say "oh yeah, that makes sense, look at this aspect here..."
>
>
>Dave
>

Xave, with all due respect, that sounds like a too-heavily researched chart
analysis. I would never predict a scar ('cause I don't pay attention to that,
and I wouldn't know how.) Sounds too much like the way they used to do it -
forgive my heresy. Don't know who does charts like that, no astrologer I've
run into ever provided an analysis like that for me. Sooner or later I'll
look up our lovable Mr. Cern (looks like you've been coined, Dave - I did it,
I'm sorry.)

I can make broad guesses about the parents, but I don't assume anything.
Sun square Moon - they didn't get along near the time of birth, Sun trine
Moon, they did. Without Sun/Moon I also look at Venus, Mars and Saturn.
I've had to give up on "fatalistic" astrology. C.E.O.Carter could do it
because that was his bag in the astrological world of the time. Death &
assassination - too - work in retrospect, but not to predict, so I don't
do that.
If the parents agree/disagree, I can offer a characterization of their
relationship at times. Of course, if his dad died/split, you have to look
at another male-archetypal figure in his life - even his mother!

If Dave takes up astrology and brushes up on his French, he might return to
the U.S. with a nice, hot woman so he can get Jupiter/7's ya-yas out.
What sign was it in? Not Virgo, I hope. French women deserve better than
that . . . [ :) ] ^ 100

-ecsd

p.s., Dave - I wonder, you're at the reactor/research facility - what do you
do there? It probably was not easy to get in there; how long are you there
for? And - well, *are* you learning French? This is near Geneve, yes?

-thanx
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Mr Cern
Summary: 10 things you need to know.....
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:34:46 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

I have been looking at his birthchart.  Assuming it is right and that
I have some skill in this area and that astrology works I have come to
some conclusions.  These are not psychological observations as pycho
astrology cannot be proved right or wrong.  Hopefully these are testable.
Actually I tell a lie, 1 psycho astrology observation sneaked in.

1. His father is either physicaly injured (damaged) or in a bad material
   situation. He returns often. 

   I say this because Saturn is in the same degree as the moons node, is
   retrograde, below the earth but in Aquarius.  The last indicating that
   he has power despite his bad condition.  Sun in the 12th house.

2. He (Dave) has no sense of restriction or responsibility.

   Damaged Saturn.

3. Daves' Mother is/was held in high esteem,especialy by the native.  
   However she is probably dead or seldom seen.
 
   Moon in Taurus, in the 8th.

4. Dave has no children and never will have.

   Saturn in aquarius,conjunt 5th house,in a very bad condition.

5. Daves' body is physicaly damaged.  I be tempted to say he is in a wheel
   chair but Venus is in its' own face.  As it is I can only say he is
   physically very weak.

   Venus combust, damaged by moons node, in detriment in the 12th house

6. Scar on his face,(a burn or red mark) halfway down his face. Possibly
   there is a scare on his hips.

   Mars in first house in libra.

7. As a child spent lots of time in an institution, probably a hospital
   but considering the positions of the moon and saturn it could be an
   orphanage.

8. Heck! just not a healthy person.

9. One brother and two sisters.  Failing this at least more sisters than
   brothers.  Not an only child.
  
   Saggy on the 3rd house, Jupe in the 7th, mars in detriment, Moon in
   exaltation. But note the moon isn't angular,mars is so there could be
   equal numbers of each or a sister might of died at some point.

10.Many enemies both open and secret brought about through having a big
   mouth and rapier pen. Constantly surrounded by strife.  Many are women
   and many are figures of authority, many he considers to be his freinds.

   Mars in the first house. Venus and Sun in 12th. Jupiter in 7th mercury in
   12th.



 A wild guess.

   Dave will marry once or not at all. Venus is crap,moon in the 8th but
   Jupe in the 7th. This relationship has many ups and downs with the
   partner leaving and coming back much like a boomerang.  If Dave is as
   damaged as his Venus indicates this partner might not be a marriage
   partner but maybe a carer of some sort. Perhaps a nurse or a doctor.

Hope these are right.  My astrological head is on the block here.

Xave.
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: nancy reagan (Sirius conjunct part of fortune)
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:00:08 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK


>What would astrologers say about having Sirius conjunct part of fortune
>in the 8th house? That's always puzzled me.
>

I assume you are using the rule that a fixed star conjunction has a total
orb of 30 minutes total.

Sirius has a jupiter/mars nature.  In an angle it brings contact with regal
personages as long as a benific  or the sun makes contact with it.  In
the 8th house it is rather weak, especialy considering the unfortunate nature
of that house.  The part of fortune is a weak benific.  Unless tied up in 
some way with the angles then it seems pointless to pin many hopes on it,
afterall it isn't even angular.  

I think the best you can hope for is that your partner has will have
substatial rescources at their disposal.

Xave.
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:13:03 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <1992Oct3.162311.21328@pellns.alleg.edu> acarr@pell2l10.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.191835.8244@u.washington.edu>  
>mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>> My experience has been that a more accurate reading is achieved if you
>> take into account the interpretation both signs involved when a planet  
>> between 29 degrees of one sign and 0 degrees of the next. 
>> Any other thoughts/comments/personal experience by other astrologers?
>> 
>> Mark

>I've been following this with interest, since I've got 3 planets in  
>degrees 1 and 2 of Taurus...   
>  I've always liked the interpretations that look to the specific degree  
>of the planet, and think about movement through the signs.  A sun at 0  
>deg. Taur would be a "new" or "young" Taurus, whereas later would be more  
>mature, an "older" Taurus.  

>By this interpretation,  
>you would understand that a Sun (or any planet) that has just come from a  
>previous sign would be very different from one that was born right in the  
>middle of it.  
>
>Amelia

Very interesting. A damn good idea.

Some thoughts on a the matter come to mind (with late degrees in general,
not just old degrees and young degrees)

1.  We could look at Horary astrology.  A planet in a late degree is
probably void of course and thus has no lasting effect.  (eg a void of
course mercury in gemini could indicate someone who is a very talented
writer who never finishes more than 3 A4 pages)  This *only* applies
to the very fastest moving planets.  Mars is almost never void  and beyond
that the occurence is so rare as to be utterly unimportant.

2.  A planet at the end of a sign is often said to be at "the end of its'
tether".  Which means (I imagine) that the planet is spent and exhausted,
unable to take any more.

These don't particulary point to a conclusion but might be relavent to
someones chart analysis.

Xave.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: nancy reagan (Sirius conjunct part of fortune)
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:45:45 GMT

In article <1a1d93INNi8i@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
><<the constitution was written at a
><<particular time and was designed to be signed at a
><<particular time i.e. the 13deg of Cancer which it was.
>
><Yes, this is definitely a more Sirius note, no pun intended!! And the
><significance of 13Can for those interested is that that's the degree
><of the star Sirius, the brightest star in our sky. Every Independence
><day, we have Sun Conjunct Sirius. 
>
>What would astrologers say about having Sirius conjunct part of fortune
>in the 8th house? That's always puzzled me.

Good luck regarding death, taxes and other people's money would be my
guess. Look for timely inheritances, lucky tax breaks and finding $20
bills in the gutter. (I'm just guessing based on the symbolism mind
you, but that is what it seems to indicate.)

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:15:36 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BvGF0D.2y2@exnet.co.uk> s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

>As we all know when a planet is within 5' of of the next house we treat
>it as being in that house.  This works fine in these circumstances.

Especially since the many different ways of calculating house
divisions differ by a lot more than 5'! And the correct method of
house division is probably the one thing about which there is more
disagreement in astrology than any other.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: carole@brownvm
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:38:02 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

Carole, could you e-mail your proper e-mail address to me as the mail I have
tried to send you keeps bouncing back to me.

Thanx


Xavier  Gallagher.
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:42:23 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <Carole-290992124532@cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
>Mars is quite prominent now with the approach to it's retrograde period
>which begins at the station in November at 27 deg. Cancer.  The declination
>of the planet is off the ecliptic also.  Would anyone care to start a
>discussion about the symbolism?  Does being off the ecliptic give Mars a
>'wild' card effect?

Well,not quite.
Mars is in cancer and thus in its fall.  This makes it weak and ineffectual.
When Mars goes retrograde it becomes even weaker and even less prominent.
Even when Mars goes to its station it is not going to be prominent 'cause again
it is in its fall.  It does not even have a Face or Term to hold it up.

What do you mean "wild" card effect?  Could you be a little more specific.

Xavier.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:54:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Well ladies, I must say, for a newie on the net I'm finding it
really fascinating! As for Mars let me say as an Aries with (gasp)
Mars in Aries, it really isn't so bad. Of course Mars is working 
thru Virgo asc. with Neptune conj. asc. Gee, maybe it's worse than
I thought! Of course Mercury in Pises along with Saturn and Venus
makes a difference too.

I'm looking forward to learning alot. I thought I knew a good deal
until I got on the net!
                         Linda :-)
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 1992 QB1, Beyond Pluto
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:16:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.101052.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes...
>The Object Beyond Pluto file just posted will be of interest to
>astrologers. I found it in, of all places, alt.alien.visitors, and
>have been trying for a couple of days to forward it to alt.astrology,
>but was hindred by a malfunctioning server. Can someone convert
>the location given into either Tropical or Sideral zodiacal location?

Oh +0 is equivalent to 0Ari00 in the Siderial Zodiac.  In the tropical this
is about 25Ari40.  The -s0 option of astrolog gives positions which can be
directly compared with the reported astronomical position (~ 0h).
A quick check of shows none of the imaginary trans-plutonian objects fit
this position (the nearest one is about 45 degrees away):

Astrolog (2.30) chart for 15 September 1992 0:00 (+0:00 GMT)   0'00W  0'00N
Body  Locat. Ret. Decl. Rul.      House  Rul. Veloc.    Placidus Houses.

Cupi: 15h,17m   + 0,00' ( ) [ 6th house] [ ] +0.016  Uranian #1
Hade:  4h,31m R + 0,00' ( ) [12th house] [ ] -0.001  Uranian #2
Zeus: 11h,34m   + 0,00' ( ) [ 6th house] [ ] +0.018  Uranian #3
Kron:  5h,22m   + 0,00' ( ) [12th house] [ ] +0.002  Uranian #4
Apol: 13h,01m   + 0,00' ( ) [ 6th house] [ ] +0.014  Uranian #5
Adme:  3h,02m R + 0,00' ( ) [12th house] [ ] -0.007  Uranian #6
Vulk:  7h,05m   + 0,00' ( ) [ 1st house] [ ] +0.006  Uranian #7
Pose: 14h,00m   + 0,00' ( ) [ 6th house] [ ] +0.011  Uranian #8

Better luck next planet!


Dave
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mr Cern
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:07:12 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu

In article <Bv9G60.5E0@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
wrote:
> 
> I have been looking at his birthchart.  Assuming it is right and that
> I have some skill in this area and that astrology works I have come to
> some conclusions.  

My dear Mr. Gallagher, you have NO SKILLs.  I certainly hope you are not a
practicing Astrologer.  If anything, your post was a joke in very poor
taste and demeans the efforts of serious practitioners.  It would behoove
the both of you to remove yourselves from this list and continue on
something akin to alt.imbecilic.