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From: jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains)
Subject: Putting your bike on a diet
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:48:33 GMT

From the wisdom of the net...
     "How to Put Your Bike on a Diet (Shed Weight)"

I want to thank everyone for the replies.  There were requests, so I'm
posting this summary.  The recommendations are ranked in order of popularity.
In addition, I have indicated how many times each one was recommneded by
the number in parentheses.

(8) Wheels: Kevlar tires, lighter rims.  Also Wheelsmith spokes, latex tubes
(5) Seat: Selle Flite Saddle ($70/190 g) or Vetta Lite ($30/240 g)
(3) Integrated handlebar: (eg Scott AT4) Replaced handle bar/bar end combo,
                          although installing brake levers & shifters can be
                          difficult because of the sharp turns in the bar
(2) Brakes: lighter cantilevers and levers, Diacompe is popular, such as
            SS5/SS7 levers, 986/987 cantilevers
(2) Crank
(2) Pedals: Sakae LowFats (some considers spindle to wear too fast) or
            Deore DX
(2) Accessories: Bottle cages, quick releases, tools, pump
(1) Fork: Ritchey Logic, Tange Switchblade
(1) Frame: Forget the tweaking, start with a light frame

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From: stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: Giant Yukon question (Was: Good Road Race bikes for about $600)
Keywords: What is the nub?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:51:27 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois


 Perhaps the nub is some type of mount for a kickstand? It seems a bit
 too far back, but then again maybe your drawing wasn't that acurate ;)


 <Josh>  (I dream about getting my .signature file to work!)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: Teams Scoring
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:54:23 GMT

The original question from Paul Schulz was:
>Question for netland:  How are the times of the teams decided on?
>        (During the TTT it was the fifth rider over the line. Does this
>        also apply for when they are racing in a normal stage?)

Since the title of his article was "TdF, Team Scoring?"  I interpreted this
to mean that he wanted to know how the team position was determined for the
race as a whole.  I also heard that the time of the fifth rider was taken as
the team's time in the TTT.  I stand by my original answer.

Andrew
From: John_-_Forester@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Kennedy & Bike Paths
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 09:29:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na






                      REPRESENTATIVE JOE KENNEDY AND BIKE PATHS

             I have been asked to  provide some more details about  how Joe
          Kennedy was informed about the dangers of bike paths. 

             John Allen,  a cycling activist in the Boston  area and author
          of The Complete Book  of Bicycle Commuting,  had been  discussing
          bikeways with Joe  Kennedy and on Bike  to Work Day he  rode with
          Kennedy along  the bike path  on the  south side  of the  Charles
          River. There  are  no  signals visible  from the  path  where  it
          crosses the major  streets that cross the  river. At Western,  in
          Allston, John and Joe looked at the cars, which were stopped, and
          guessed  that they were  stopped by the  signal. So  they started
          across the street, at  which moment the  cars started to come  at
          them. As John told Joe, this is poor planning and illustrates the
          difficulties of installing bike  paths in urban  areas. At  other
          places, the path is so  close to the roadway that the  right-side
          doors of parked cars open across it.

             One  of Joe Kennedy's pet  projects is a bike  path to connect
          the Lexington  bike path that  terminates at  the Alewife  subway
          terminus with  the Charles River path. This would  provide, so he
          says, a  safe route  for a  kid from  Lexington to reach  central
          Boston. There  are several difficulties with  that idea: no space
          available,  the route  is several  miles longer  than  the direct
          route between Alewife and Boston, bike paths in general  and this
          path  in particular aren't  safe, few kids  in Lexington  want to
          ride to Boston.

             John Allen  judges Kennedy to  be headstrong;  he pursues  his
          ideas without consulting  with those who know.  This also may  be
          political pliability, simply following the votes. But rather than
          catering to  people's desires for unwise  plans, a true political
          leader needs to provide wise and  practical solutions to people's
          needs. Kennedy could do that, but he hasn't so far.

          JForester@cup.portal.com               John Forester
                                                 726 Madrone Ave
          408-734-9426                           Sunnyvale CA 94086 USA
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: LEMOND BASHERS?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:26:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.093645.7689@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> This year, he has ridden
|> the Tour de Trump (and won), the Giro (top 5 placing),

No wonder he's tired, The Giro and the Tour of Switzerland in one year must be really hard work.

|> wonder if all that riding was wise. I heard a romour that "Z" virtually told
|> him to ride the Tour de Trump, because they needed a win, and needed Greg to
|> win on "home ground".

Probably just a rumour... 

David.
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bad Accident
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:22:34 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver

In article <1992Jul27.203943.1239@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow) writes:
>>ever seen, and still got flattened.  Third, the cops seemed unaware
>>that he had any rights at all that they might be interested in 
>
>Please take a copy of your post to the police dept. & send copies to
>the police or city or count commissioner who has responsibility for
>the police dept.  Also take/send a copy to the local prosecutor's
>office.  The cops won't learn anything until their superiors mandate
>it, & I'm sure neither group reads the net.
>
>If you don't take action, the cop's attitude will never change.
>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
><>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
><> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
><>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>


Another suggestion might be the local TV news investigative reporter.  Here
in Denver, they take great delight in exposing cases where public
officials, city employees, etc betray the trust of the public.  The
latest scam is that it took 20 minutes for the cops to respond to a 911
call for a break-in.  Who knows, with you being on the scene like that
and all, you might be able to generate some interest.

John
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:24:05 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:
>Well, at least everyone else is a irritated about the IWRR coverage as I was.
>When the local news came on at 10:30 PM (Pacific), I set the VCR on record and
>went to bed.  Now my wife says that the coverage in this mornings paper only
>told about the _American_ (including Canadian) women finished.  Nothing about
>the race, or how it ended or who _won_!

    I'll bet they don't have Marion Clenea (sp?) in their coverage.
She's a dual citizen between France (probably born there) and the U.S.,
but I can assure you she grew up in the U.S. and raced here until very
recently. We were on the College Park racing team together. (No sprint, 
ok climber, but boy can she motor!)
    My girl friend and I were watching the coverage when they mentioned
"..Longo's teammate Marion Clenea..." had just made a move off the front,
and there was Marion!  Way to go, Marion!  Glad you made an Olympic
team!

Tim Smith

P.S. If NBC thinks that showing the SOS (Same Old S***) coverage of
the Olympics is going to make me sign up for the triplecast they have
a thing or two to learn about people.  I'm so pissed I'm going to boycott
most NBC shows for the next few years.  I need road time more than I
need the "Goofball America" crew.
    Though I will HAVE to suffer through the Velodrome and Whitewater
events.  I have my priorities. :)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: repair kits
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 02:05:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

HEY EVERYONE!!! Jobst Brandt's list included the hated
item -- SUNGLASSES.

Now all we need to know is if he wears them while cycling
or whether he wears them off of the bike to look cool
(is that pronounced Koo-ell?)

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18780 can.general:3529 ont.general:1244 soc.culture.canada:5317 ott.general:549
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:22:50 GMT

mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:

>In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
>>have a 15mph speed limit?

>Bicycle paths are not safe they are safer.  

safer than what? It seems to me that it is a lot safer to ride my bike at 
15mph in Yonge street at rush hour than riding my bike at the same speed 
in the beaches bike path on a saturday. Also, if I wanted to walk, it would
be safer to use the boardwalk rather than the bike path. In my opinion,
bike paths are not safer than riding on the street, unless your speed
matches that of pedestrians. 

> A lot of cyclists do not have the
>first clue about how to ride on a bike path.

The same is true of pedestrians. They don't have a clue as to how to walk
in a bike path (or not to).

>  There are a lot of accidents 
>on the bike paths each year which explains the speed limit.  Also pedestrians
>need to be protected from speeding bikes.

If something is designated as  a bike path it should accommodate bike
traffic and the cyclists' needs. Pedestrians and cyclists don't mix. I
don't like seeing adults riding on the sidewalks. 

BTW, what do you suggest to protect cyclists from pedestrian in a bike
path? There might be lots of accidents, I bet that many are due to
pedestrians lack of awareness.

Javier.



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: UG vs. HG chain...
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.110210.12912@synapse.bms.com> idelson@bms.com (Ira  
Idelson) writes:
> In article 3623@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP, jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W  
Gourgoutis) writes:
> 
> 
> >	If UG and HG are not compatible, then why does his bike work?  And  
if
> >his bike works, then can I use my UG chain with my new HG-equipped  
wheels?
> >Maybe it's just that with a non-HG chain, the FULL advantages of HG can  
not
> >be used, but it will still work.  My friend's bike shifts as quickly  
and as
> >accurately as any other bike I have seen.
> 
> The first time I replaced tha chain on my Miyata my local bike shop sold  
me a UG chain
> and said that it would work with HG. Well, it did. I had no problems  
with shifting ease or accuracy. I'm not sure about the difference between  
the 2 chains is.
> 
> However just put it on and ride your bike!
> 


The HG is slightly narrower, partly due to the fact that the pins are  
shorter or perhaps have been hammered flatter.  The HG usually works a  
little better on 7spd systems, but the main thing about the UG in use on  
hyperglide is that it tends to be a little noisier.  The question is a  
little silly since shimano chains in general are not particularly  
desirable.  The UG often has stiffening problems (in the cheaper versions)  
and the HG definitely has a much higher rate of breakage (often from the  
installer not closing the link properly -- the HG link pin can help with  
that process, although it's not required.  The hammered pins tend to have  
burrs on them that make them want to enlarge the hole in the plate a  
little, weakening the chain.  I have had much better luck with the  
Sedis-ATB on HG systems in terms of lower failure rate (and generally  
lower cost than many of the HG chains).
From: eric_i1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Dura-Ace STI vs. Campy ErgoPower
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:27:13 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

All,

I'm in the process of putting a bike together and am considering both Shimano
Dura-Ace STI and Campy Chorus with ErgoPower.  I know what STI looks and feels
like, but have not had the opportunity to test the ErgoPower levers/shifters.

Do you have any comments or comparisons between the two?

Also, I have small hands and prefer to use compact levers.  I understand the
ErgoPower levers have adjustable reach (which is good).  However, the shift
lever is longer than the DA STI (which leads me to believe it has longeer
throw).  Any comments on this too?

Thanks in advance,
Eric
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting tran
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:55:27 GMT

In article <712454730.F00003@urchin.fidonet.org> Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber) writes:
>To: jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) 
> On 07-27-92 jh wrote to All... 
> 
> jh > The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap 
> jh > over the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels 
> jh> and 3 into 32 does not go, i.e. there's always at least one 
> jh> spoke in the way. 
> 
> Avocet also makes a 4 tab ring magnet. There's a picture of it on page 13 
> of the Spring 1992 Branford Bike catalog. Since Branford lists it for $4.88, 
> I would suspect that you local dealer can also get it for about that price. 

Has anyone bothered to call Avocet about these rings?  Last week I tried
to squeeze a 3-prong ring on my American Classic hub -- no go, the flange
was too big for the prongs to fit over.  I called Avocet and asked their
advice on what to do.  They recommended either the rear-wheel ring (it's
larger) or the sticky-tape-backed disk wheel ring.  The customer service
rep said he'd send both out to me at no charge.  A couple of days later
a package from Avocet arrived with two (2) disk wheel rings and one
rear wheel ring (and a handwritten note from the person I spoke to).
Needless to say, I'm one happy camper.

>... OFFLINE 1.36 * Two Wheelers Remote 
>
> * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: neil@cato.robots (& Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Handlebars
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:32:58 GMT
	<1992Jul22.230258.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: uk
Organization: None evident here.
In-reply-to: schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU's message of 22 Jul 92 23:02:58 GMT


In this weeks Cycling Weekly there's an advert on page 31 for a
"bio-quarterro" handle-bar made by 3T. As someone who's trying to
piece together a bike which would be suitable for both `pure' cycling
and (once I've got the hang of swimming) triathlons, I wondered if any
of the cyclists/triathletes had any comment on them.

They're a bit hard to draw, so here's a rough attempt:
 
      o  <- forearm pad   
   \----                
      |----             /--o-
      |                    |
   wheel                   |
                        \--o-
  side view                  top view

This doesn't really capture them: Every angle you can think of is
adjustable, as well as a length or two. The forearm pads are a
shoulder width apart but the handle bars are tri-bar close. The idea
is to be relatively aerodynamic in a position which is also very
ergonomic.

I've set the distribution to uk. If you know that they're also
available elsewhere, please change it. If they've already been
discussed, sorry, but I couldn't find any references.

NewT
--
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Subject: How often do you ride?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:14:33 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@hurricane.eng.umd.edu


I've recently purchased my first real road bike, and I'm interested in 
participating in races.  The question I have is how often should I ride or
how much should I ride before entering my first race.
To give you some insight, I consider my self in shape but I've not ridden a
bike seriously for over a year.

Also, I've just read the book written by Phinney/Carpenter, and they recommend that
a novice racer should  ride it least 10 hours a week.  To me this sounds like a lot.
Although I can make time for it, I'd like to enjoy other activities as well. (e.g.
tennis, roller blading, etc.) If I want to race do I have to give it all up?

Does every USCF lisenced racers ride this much (or more)?
(Note, Although I want to be competitive, I'm not aiming to be a national champion.
 Winning a Cat 4 on once or twice would be nice though :))

If you could tell me your experience, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
Naru Takashima
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bv575@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pamela J. Turner)
Subject: Re: Question on history of Bridgestone
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:41:52 GMT


So does anyone have a Bridgestone racing bike?  Do you recommend
Bridgestone?  What other racing bikes would net-land recomment?

----
Pam
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: CFV: rec.bicycles reorganization
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:40:39 GMT

In the Call for Votes rec.bicycles.misc is listed with "bicycle" in
the middle in one place and in the plural form in two other places
This leads Sam Henry to write:
>Is this last a typo, or is something amiss here.
>
>Us in-formed voters would like to know.

Yes, it was a typo that was noted and reported by email by about a
dozen readers.  I'm glad that some people read it carefully.  I
promise that I'll never make another typ.


--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic "Coverage"?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

Okay, I was so dismayed with NBC that last night I actually sat and timed
the "coverage" of actual sporting events... I *DID* include the medals
ceremony as coverage, but none of the other non-sporting crud like music
videos, and "moments", etc.

They averaged just over 19 minutes of "sports" per hour in the two hours 
I performed this highly suspect experiment.

As presented it's more of a soap opera than sports coverage... all the
superficial crud, and "moving" music, with very little actually happening...
and the teasing leads that are supposed to get us to "stay tuned".

NBC truly is the worst commercial station for MAJOR sports coverage.  It is 
so disappointing... (but not surprising).


I'm going to spring the $$$ for the triple cast... 

Tk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:29:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman) writes:
> I've been told by my local bike shop that dawn detergent and regular 10w40
> motor oil are good for cleaning and lubricating the chain.  Agree or
> diagree?
> 


I use mineral spirits and my handy, dandy Heathkit ultrasonic cleaning tank.
The mineral spirits are reusable after the dirt settles to the bottom of the
jug. I let it drip dry for about 1 hour, then I use tri-flow.

Graphite may work OK, its worth an experiment. We used graphite as a lubricant
in ultrahigh vacuum chambers. You'll need to mix it with a carrier. Ethyl or
Methyl alcohol works well. The carrier will evaporate and leave the graphite
in place. It will also tend to remove any water left in the chain.

I think that almost any lubricant works well initially. What you want to
do is maximize the time that it is working effectively and minimize the
tendency to act as a dirt magnet.

                                                        Arnie

-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
From: seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Huez and Andy:  Am I a prophet?
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:50:34 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France


Before leaving for l'Alpe d'Huez I wrote:

>  I feel that we will see something special this year on l'Alp d'Huez, 
>  and I want to be there.  What will we see?

...

>  Will Andy win the stage and gain 6 minutes on all the leaders (hey, 
>  it could happen)?


Well, he only gained 3 minutes but I suppose that will have to do!

Brent

P.S.  Please see my list of special predictions to appear soon in the Star...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles