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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Hello!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 07:11:14 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <0Z84qB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>scotts@meltdown.chi.il.us (Scott Szakonyi) writes:
>
>> Just wanted to say hello -- I am a refugee from the Pod-net, which no longer
>> available in Chicago.  The discussion here looks great.  BTW, I am a follower
>> of the Norse Pagan tradition, and would like to make contact with any others
>> the net...
>
>hi hawkmoon!  i remember you!!!  POD-net died?  we stopped getting it up here
>too - i heard rumors of political infighting, but i don't actually KNOW
>anything.  i was on under my own name sometimes, and under Autumn Greysquirrel
>at others.

 PODS is hardly dead. The chicago link was a single BBS and that BBS quit
carrying PODS. My BBS still gets it and it is as big, or bigger even, than
ever. We are going strong.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: books for new pagans
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:04:14 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <lapsi0INN8t6@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.233224.7745@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st923058@pip.cc.brandeis
>.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:

>> My problem is that I am eighteen years old and have recently
>> informed my parents that I have been Wiccan for over a year. Now they want
>> a book about it to read so they can decide whether or not they are going to
>> disown me. (I HOPE I'm only joking...) Does anyone have any suggestions,
>> either for books of the parentally readable type or for a good explanation
>> I can give them?

>I'm going to be thirty soon, but I'm in the same situation of trying to
>come out to my mother.  I gave her a copy of _The Mists of Avalon_ to
>try to warm her up a bit.  She loved the book and we had a lot of discussion
>about some of the ideas in it.  I feel more comfortable now that she won't
>just turn off to the idea.  For Christmas, I'll try a good non-fiction book,
>maybe _Spiral Dance_, to show her that some thoughtful people take this stuff
>seriously.  I figure I have two years -- my deadline is to get them used to
>the idea before my baby talks well enough to say "We had a neat ritual for
>Beltane, grammy."

Both books are good ideas...  In my case the book that I gave to my father was
"The Truth About WitchCraft" (by (I think) Scott Cunningham).  The book
presents it as a religion, and gives Wicca a light fluff job, that works as a
good introduction book...

Now if I can get my mother to accept the fact that I am a Pagan...  (I've tried
to talk to her, and have handed her a few books, but all of a sudden she
doesn't have time...)

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From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: ancestors stories
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:25:26 GMT

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

>In article <NX3oqB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes...
>You will have to be crafty in the way you get them.  Get into a
>conversation and "innocently" ask a question.  You, I'm sure, 
>understand the routine.  Don't just ask about stories, ask about
>what dad was like as a kid or point at a picture and ask who is
>that or such.

Quite so..you may not even have to be so crafty..my sister had my maternal
grandfather living at her house just prior to his death and just turned on
a tape recorder one day and started asking him about his childhood, what it
was like where he lived, how they lived, what was his favorite horse,
what kind of adventures he had, what his parents and grandparents were like,
etc. What a wonderful tape she made. She sent copies of it to all of us
siblings and cousins and it is my most cherished possesion.

>Take some paper and write down all you know about your family.
>Then use it as a guide post.  Often, if they get lost in talking
>you will get the greatest stories.

>Tammy

/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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From: weaver@kuttner.sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: How many ______ does it take to change a light bulb?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:05:06 GMT
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA


In article <2AA9B794.27993@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

|> How many Taoists does it take to change a light bulb?
|> 
|> The light bulb that can be changed is not the true light bulb.

Actually, wouldn't that be "...not the ETERNAL light bulb" ?
Which lends a certain mysterious consistency to it as well...

-- 
Eric Weaver  Sony AVTC  677 River Oaks Pkwy, MS 35  SJ CA 95134  408 944-4904
-- 
Eric Weaver  Sony AVTC  677 River Oaks Pkwy, MS 35  SJ CA 95134  408 944-4904
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Going to Iceland (or elsewhere)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:43:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

>What language do they speak in Iceland?

Icelandic, a language based on Old Norse that has been essentially
unchanged in a thousand years.  If you ever read Beuwolf, it's much
like that.

In addition, the vast majority of people speak English as well.  They
aren't real great on idioms, but you can absolutely get by, throughout
the entire country, without having to know Icelandic.

(What part are you visiting?)
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:03:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <LJT3.92Sep6224127@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> ljt3@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Lewis) writes:
>In article <Lu7oqB1w165w@drc.UUCP> alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard) writes:
>>Personally, I believe twe pagans should keep a gun or two around
>>the house... because in this time period, the firearm is the most
>>workable tool for self-defense. 

>I'd like to second this.  And third it.

I'll fourth it.

>And not only because of the reasons that he gave, either.

>It's looking more and more like bad times are coming again.

I think that this election will be the key. Vote for Clinton!

Eric
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: yet another weensy question from you-know-who
Date: 9 Sep 1992 09:28:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


What about fossil sand dollars?  

Bright Blessings,
From: v102qqq5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HIGH PRIESTESS)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Different types of Wicca
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



There really are no accurate books on the rituals or life of those in a 
Dianic coven. It is something very personal and SECRET.( Secret being the
key word). If you truly have an intrust in learning more about the Dianic
ways, I would be more than happy to help you with your quest.
Please respond.

                                       HIGH PRIESTESS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: the Cretan bitmap (why not?)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.162420.26049@csus.edu> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
>>	The only software I know of that might read a .bmp file is
>>some PClone Windows graphics programs, and the only PClone with
>>Windows near me does not have any network connection -- I'd have to
>>copy the file onto my Mac, then convert it into a MSDOS file on
>>someone else's Mac, then read it from that PClone. Does anyone know of
>>a way of turning it into some more accessible format, like gif or
>>jpeg? I can make images in both on the Suns I have access to.

I suppose I'm talking to myself here in following up my own post, but I 
went back and re-read the original, only to discover a Macintosh user,
not a PC user. In my job I use both, with my preference being a Mac. In
downloading and sending graphics files between machines, I've found that
the most cross-platform compatible is a binhex-encoded (.hqx) GIF file.

Given the availability of GIF and binhex utilities, "most" people can
access a file of this type. Although a uu-encoded binary file is smaller,
the added complication makes it beyond the reach of some people without 
the necessarily skills or access to this type of knowledge. I have an
entire systems support department to answer technical questions if I 
get stuck. Not everyone does.

I'd recommend binhex and GIF for graphics postings if the files aren't
too big. As for direct transmission of postscript files, I *hate* to
declare my ignorance, but I've never had call to try it...

As for trying to translate .BMP files, I'll keep my eyes open. I may 
even have something at home in my files.

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:22:23 EDT
From: <SCG107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: yet another weensy question from you-know-who

In article <Bu1z7I.J8r@encore.com>, aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) says:
>Curious indeed.. I really have no idea, but one possibility I can think
>of is that there are no sand dollars in mediterannean(sp) or north
>atlantic waters.. Actually, I have not seen ANY sand dollars on the
>East coast of the U.S. that I can remember..last time I remember seeing
>any ( in their natural environment ) is in California where I grew up.
>Does anyone know the demographic geography of sand dollars ?

I don't know about the Mediterranean, but sand dollars can be found along
the east coast from Labrador to Florida and even farther south.  (From
the Audobon Society guide to AtXantic and Gulf coasts.)

Sarah
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: hazeleyes
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.184321.29350@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Is there or is there not anything special about hazel eyes? Mine have been
>green-brown-gold for sixteen of my eighteen years, and they've never been
>much interesting except that they clash with themselves. I'm REAL curious
>about this.

Mine have always been an admixture, but aside from the fact that they
don't really work, there isn'tanything special about them. 

>Also someone asked about green eyes meaning anything. I can offer two
>literary examples ("Emerald Eyes" and "The Long Run", by Daniel Keys Moran,
>and "Born To Run" by Mercedes Lackey--actually, some other Lackey books too)
>but I've never heard anything magical of them. Let me know if you find
>out.

Well, I can tell you about green M&M's . . . *rim shot* 

>					Rosaleen Dhu

Blessings,
Janis the Apologetic for That Last Joke 
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From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Going to Iceland (or elsewhere)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:11:00 GMT

In article <+7mn38-.slf@netcom.com>, slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) writes...
>lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> 
>>What language do they speak in Iceland?
> 
>Icelandic, a language based on Old Norse that has been essentially
>unchanged in a thousand years.  If you ever read Beuwolf, it's much
>like that.
> 
>In addition, the vast majority of people speak English as well.  They
>aren't real great on idioms, but you can absolutely get by, throughout
>the entire country, without having to know Icelandic.
> 
>(What part are you visiting?)

Wasn't planning, but I think I will.  Really was just curious.
I wonder where you go to learn Icelandic?

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii)
Subject: Re: Men's Mysteries
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:37:51 GMT

In article <16878@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.172742.14391@uwm.edu>, pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) writes:
>> 
>> After following the "men's mysteries" thread for a while, I think a general
>> consensus <as much as any can be reached thru the Net> that male mysteries
>> are needed.  The question then becomes, where to start?
>> 
>> I think a appropritate place would be with rites of passsage from boy to
>> manhood.  
>> 
>> To digress for a moment, it is my opinion the lack of a "rite of passage" for
>> males in US culture is a major cause for anti-social behavior.  
>
>YES!  Very good point!  A good question would be *why* our society lacks
>such rites. It surely must relate to the fragmentation of community in our
>country. What we have in place of community is alienation and "neighborhoods"
>where most people don't even know the people who live next door to them.
>There is such an emphasis in the US on "individuality" and "doing your
>own thing". Unfortunately, the cost to society as a whole of these
>attitudes is tremendous.

I'd also like to point out the religious roots of the problem.  Christianity
is an offshoot of Judism.  The Jews have a clearly defined ceremony for
marking the rite of passage from boy to man, and have had so for centuries.

Where is the similar ceremony in Christian religion/culture?  Somewhere along
the way, it was deleted for whatever reasons.  

Bring back that ceremony or creating a new one would go a long way toward
helping solve many of our problems.

-- 
"I'll lose my beard when they shave it from my cold, dead face!"

Quote from the Razor's Anonymous Handbook
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: yet another bitmap, and this time it's encoded!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:13:46 GMT

Yes, I have another bitmap.  This one is a rectangle of the same size as
the owl one, split into five parts.  In each is a representation of the
five objects I mention in my poem about the throne at Knossos.  There is
a picture of a small stalk of wheat, a cup of wine, a shaker of salt, a
honeycomb, and a half a lemon (lemon halves were used as diaphragms; the
lemon was inserted into the vagina with the cut side facing out.  The
acid works as a spermicide, and the rounded end of the lemon acts as a
barrier.  How COMFORTABLE it was, I can't say . . . ).

Anyway, I have it and it's encoded, so I won't end up sending people all
of two characters anymore.  I can mail it to you (it's for Microsoft
Windows and is uuencoded), and if I can split it up, I can post it.
BTW, does anyone who knows better have any idea in what size chunks I
should post these things?  They are around 40K each.

Blessings,
Janis
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New pagans and reading
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:48:28 GMT
Reply-To: wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: d04f670b4c172c56d31b22700c8ff27a

In article <1992Sep5.203311.10352@news.stolaf.edu> 
adams@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Brynach ap Adda) writes:
>For those interested in British and Irish traditions, a definite must-read
>is Ronald Hutton's _Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles_. This is
>a survey, scantier on footnotes than it could be but abundant in references.
>I would warn anyone reading it, though; be certain you're secure enough in
>your spirituality that you don't have to rely on pagan-pop assumptions 
>about stone circles, Celts and Druids. Hutton is merciless in his examination
>of what really is *known* about ancient British religion - which, not to
>give away his summary of the Celtic period in particular - isn't much.
:
>Check it out. As one reviewer said, you'll know a lot less after you've
>finished it, and that's a compliment.

I'll second this recommendation.  I've had a fascination for the henges
and stone monuments of the British Isles for a long time, wishing for
the time and wherewithal to go and see them.  Hutton's work describes
the details of the sites meticulously and covers what *is* supportable
from the evidence, and point out the hypotheses and theories that are
*not* supportable as well.

Hutton doesn't get vehement and rigid about what isn't supportable, he
doesn't scream about the "errors" of the "wild crackpot theories", he
simply and bluntly points out that the available evidence doesn't
support the statments made by certain other researchers.

I've certainly become a lot less certain and a lot less dogmatic in
supporting my own pet theories about the henge monuments and passage
graves and such since I've read Hutton.  And, being less dogmatic and
arrogantly certain has improved my ability to hear other folks theories
and ideas about pagan religions.

I still *want* to go see Stonehenge, but I'm not so sure that I *know*
what it is or isn't anymore. :-)

				Wolfe

PS: my internet contact site has messed up the passage of mail to me
here.  If the mail received at duke.cs.duke.edu doesn't specify the
fully qualified name "wolves.durham.nc.us" as the destination, it
bounces the mail back.   I've complained, but it will take a day or two
to get things fixed up again.

				Wolfe!
-- 
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Domain: wolfe%wolves@cs.duke.edu    wolfe@cds.duke.edu
    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Learning in North Carolina
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 07:51:34 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys) writes:

[...]
>  
> Celtic Magic (not sure of author or publisher)

D.J. Conway (Published by Llewellyn) :)

[...]

Blessed Be!


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
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From: anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org (anwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: "Jesus did not claim divinity" (WHY ?) 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:40:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Horned Owl BBS

Who is this Jesus person anyway? Is there any hard evidence that
such a person as basicly described in the Christian Gospels actually
existed? Until someone provides such evidence, I will view all discussions
about what Jesus really said as fatuous.

anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org	(Sysop horned Owl BBS)
From: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <flame risk HIGH>
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:54:31 GMT
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep8.195138.12205@lmt.mn.org>, ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org
(Ciaran Benson) writes:

|>   It may be so that this leaves me ignorant and spiteful, and
|> those of you who have written suggesting that I broaden my
|> horizons are right, but when attempting to study the history
|> of oppressed people it is difficult to keep a pleasant thought
|> for the with the oppressors, and I sometimes end up myoptically
|> attacking people and groups who only bear surface similarities
|> to the true aggressors.

Hi, I missed the beginning of this thread, and I'm curious about
the "oppressed people" you were studying and how they tie into
crusaders.

					Paul Wayner
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,rec.org.sca
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Period of the Society (Re: Wicca and the SCA)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:04:07 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

Donal wrote:

> The time period that the SCA works within is (with some arguments, 
> depending on who you talk to!) 800 AD to 1650 AD. Some push it as far 
> back as 600 AD and forward to about 1670, but 800-1650 is generally 
> accepted.

If you're talking about formal definitions, the SCA, Inc. defines our
period as "pre-seventeenth century Western civilization".  That means no
later than 1600.  There is no formal cut-off for the beginning of our
period (unless you can infer one from "Western civilization"; one could
argue that it is meaningless before the Roman Empire, but that would be a
very silly argument to start).  

Of course, the SCA, Inc. is not the same thing as the Society, and enough
people in the Society play at the early 1600's that one cannot deny that it
is part of the Society.  I've never heard anyone suggest that our period
goes as late as 1670.  

===========================================================================
Josh Mittleman (mittle@watson.ibm.com)
J2-C28 T.J. Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: yet another weensy question from you-know-who
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 09:30:39 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes:

>
> No real idea of exact pagan meaning of a sand dollar for you, but I just
> wanted to comment that it is nice to know that others besides me are using
> it as the natural pentacle it is.  It was something I was wondering
> about....
>
well, you have more company!  i am not at present using one, but that is
because i have not FOUND one yet!  i have looked for one every time i went to
the beach in hopes of being able to find one to use on my altar...

                                                 -ailsa

p.s. it's funny, but finding out some of the history of the pentacle hasn't
caused my fondness for it to waver one bit.  i guess i found it at an
impressionable point in my life...



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