From: ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar)
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:11:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.145618.19823@meiko.com> paull@plasma.co.uk writes:
>In article Drw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>>3) Pot Luck - everbody knows you need some luck in cup competitions.
>>
>>To win an away game convincingly? Come on!!
>
>YES!!! Sheffield Wednesday we're beating Kaiserslautern away 1-0, when the referee
>decides that Kaiserslautern need a penalty. Then he send's off David Hirst, scorer
>of the goal for Wednesday. It was quite clear that Hirst did not foul the German, but
>the German's got the luck they needed and went on to win.
>
>We have all seen teams lose to jammy opponents, and get an away win.
>This may not of been the case at the Leeds game (which I didn't even watch),
>but it can be the case.
>
>Take the offside decision against Strachan in the first leg (which I did watch).
>Ranger's got lucky here because he was given offside when he wasn't. It **COULD**
>have been a totally different story with a different REF. And don't tell me that
>Strachan was offside because the picture's clearly showed that when the ball was
>played he wasn't. This sort of thing happens all the time in football, and at the
>end of the day decisions go to one side or the other, right or wrong. So teams
>can get lucky, no doubt about it. Over a long arduous season, thing's tend to even
>out, and the best teams come out on top.
>
>>Try some real ones for a change and ask the question.
>>
>>Rangers 2 Leeds United 1
>>Leeds United 1 Rangers 2
>>
>>Who's the better team over the piece?
>
>Ranger's won the game yes!
>
>>Rather obvious isn't it?
>>
>>Now try another question.
>>Who have failed to beat Leeds at Elland Road this season irrespective of
>>Leeds lowly position?
>>
>>Who finally beat Leeds at Elland Road?
>>
>>What can we conclude about the relative merits of the teams that failed and
>>the team that succeeded?
>>
>
>NONE WHATSOEVER. Except that Ranger's beat Leeds. You see the other games we're
>on different days, and involved fallible human beings. If this is the way you
>compare teams, then you need a rethink.
>
>eg;
>	Liverpool beat Sheffield Wednesday this season.
>        But Sheffield Wednesday were well above Liverpool at that time!!
>
>	A couple of season's earlier I believe (and I may be wrong), Sheffield
>        Wednesday beat Liverpool 2 - 0 at home. Liverpool we're champions, and
>        Wednesday got relegated.
>
>	I could go on for ever. 
>	Ahem! Your simplified logic doesn't seem to work does it!! Oh dear.
>
>It all boils down to one thing. We can't draw any conclusions, and any calls of one
>being better than the other is pure rubbish.
>
>I don't believe the best teams in Scotland are better than English one's and vice
>versa, as their is no evidence really.
>
>The only think that should happen is that Ranger's fans should have a good laugh
>at Leeds.
>
>After all I did.....
>
>
>Up the Owls......
>
>---
>
>
>		Cheers,
>			Paul Lee (Hoppy)
>
>
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paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee) writes :

>We have all seen teams lose to jammy opponents, and get an away win.
>This may not of been the case at the Leeds game (which I didn't even watch),
>but it can be the case.

>Take the offside decision against Strachan in the first leg (which I did watch)
>Ranger's got lucky here because he was given offside when he wasn't. 
>It **COULD** have been a totally different story with a different REF. 
>And don't tell me that
>Strachan was offside because the picture's clearly showed that when the ball 
>was played he wasn't. 

True but if it was a different ref, he would have given the penalty to McCoist
who was clearly taken down deliberately inside the box by White. It **WOULD**
have been the same result i.e. Rangers win 3-2, instead of 2-1.

And don't tell me that it wasn't intentional because the replay clearly shows
it wasn't. Christ, even the biased English commentators admitted it should
have been a penalty.

>The only think that should happen is that Ranger's fans should have a good 
>h at Leeds.

Oh, alright then if you insist...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha aha.

>	HEINEKEN REFRESHES THE PARTS OTHER BEERS CANNOT REACH

	RANGERS BEAT LEEDS IN THE PLACES WHERE OTHER TEAMS CANNOT BEAT

Cheers

Del


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