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From: hayes@valkris.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Cooking The Catch--Rocky Mountain Whitefish
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:34:36 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, EDSG

In article <92Aug14.014415.25760@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>I would like to start a thread on recipes for the fish we catch.
>Especially, the kind that can be cooked streamside.

One of the most memorable trout cooking I have ever done was on the
Colorado (somewhere below Boulder Dam) on a Boy Scout canoe trip (I
can't give the recipe without a story...that's a fisherman for you :^).
My friend Bill (now, he was a story teller) was soaking his sprained
ankle in the water and fishing.  It was dusk and we had fire going so
I got a long thin branch with that was forked at the end.  We cleaned
the fish and skewered it on the branch so that the sides of the fish
were spread open (each side skewered by a fork of the branch).  We then
roasted (?) it over the fire till done.  It was quite tasty and we ate
it with our fingers.  Yummmm.


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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.backcountry
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Wanted Large FLATBOTTOM-CHEAP!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:31:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.153624.12631@uvm.edu>, geraghty@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kevin M Geraghty) writes:
|> From article <1992Aug12.141258.12719@spdc.ti.com>, by burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris):
|> > In article <1992Aug10.032808.9990@informix.com> coburn@informix.com (Dave Coburn) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Aug9.144103.10855@ncsu.edu> plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
|> >>>In article <Aug07.215727.18359@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
|> >>>|> Going fishing means seventy horse-power motors...
|> >>>
|> >>>Wayne, 
|> >>>
|> >>>What kind of sissy are you?  A puny little 70hp motor just is NOT 
|> >>>going to cut it (unless you put it on a dumb little square stern canoe).
|> >>>There is no posted speed limit in the middle of the lake!!! 
|> >>>
|> >>>		-Pat.
|> >>
|> >>You wanna see something that *REALLY* takes off?  Check out my 10 ft. jon
|> >>boat. . .twin 150 Evenrudes!
|> > 
|> >    I'll bet it takes off? (straight to the bottom ;))
|> > 
|> > Jim Burris
|> 
|> ***What is this discussion doing in this news group?  This should be
|> in rec.brainless-internal-combustion-engine-pastimes***

Sorry Kevin, can you tell me how to start a "rec.xxx" newsgroup?

		-Pat.
From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:37:07 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Distribution: rec
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

In the UK we use cheese as a bait for Chub.
and a damn fine bait it is too.
If it is too old (high!) to stay on the kook on its own accord,
try making a paste (with stale-ish bread)
It is equally effective and you can make the paste of whatever consistency
you require!

The social renegade
From: jk06@gte.com (Jim Kaye)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: message to steve pike
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:55:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc.

Steve, please send me your email address and I will give you more
informaation on Stonewall Farm Fly Fishing Club.

Jim Kaye
GTE Laboratories Inc.
Waltham MA.
FAX 617-890-1416 phone 617-466-2751
"A bad day flyfishing is better than a good day doing anything else."
From: rodin@vax.ftp.com  (Jon Rodin)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: rodin@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:29:02

wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller) writes:
>         Since the topic has been brought up, how many types of bluegill, 
> etc are there? I know when I catch 'em....and they seem to attack 
> anything around here, some have redish bellies, some orange, some white...
> None of my fishing books goes into any differences. Are they all the same 
> species or what?

Paraphrased from the Audubon Society Field Guide:

Pumpinkseed (Lepomis gibbosus)
    To 10", 1lb.  Deep, short, compressed; back dark greenish gold mottled 
    with reddish orange, sides greenish yellow, mottled orange and 
    blue-green, belly yellow orange.  Found in cool, quiet, shallow waters 
    of slow streams, ponds, marshes ans lakes with dense vegetation.
    Range includes northeastern US to midwest and southern Canada.

Warmouth (Lepomis gulosus)
    To 10", 2-1/4 lbs.  Oblong, robust, back and median fins dark 
    olive-brown with dusky mottlings, sides lighterwith scattered dusky
    spots, belly yellowish, opercular flap "ear" stiff, with black spot
    bordered with read and white.  Found in ponds, swamps, lakes and
    sluggish streams with vegetaion.  Range is eastern half of US.

Bluegill (Lepomis macrochirus)
    To 12", 4-3/4 lbs.  Deep compressed profile rounded under dorsal fin;
    body and median fins dark olive green; sides lighter often with 
    dusky verical bars, belly whitish.  Found in clear warm pools of 
    streams, lakes, ponds, and resevoirsin shalow water with vegetation.
    Range same as Warmouth.

Redear Sunfish (Lepomis microlophus)
    To 14", 4-1/2 lbs.  Moderately elongate, compressed; back olive with
    brown specks; sides greenish yellow with brassy relflections and dark
    specks; belly yellowish orange; opercular flap "ear" has black spot
    with bright reddish orange edge.  Found in clear quiet pools of warm
    streams, ponds, lakes and resevoirs with vegetation.  Range is south-
    eastern US.

Black Crappie (Pomoxis nigromaculatus)
    To 16", 5 lbs.  Deep strongly compressed, dorsal profile rounded; back
    greenish, sides silvery green with dark scattered mottlings not forming
    bars, belly silver.  Found in quiet, warm, clear streams, ponds, lakes
    and resevoirs.  Range is eastern half of the US.

Jon
rodin@ftp.com

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From: dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Landing fish
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:51:38 GMT

WRT Barbed vrs barbless  I think that you should use the barbless, iff you are afraid of driving the hook into the brain of a fish with the  greater
penetration of the hook, just use a smaller hook, if you use the small hook
 it will not only set easier, but it will be easier to remove also

THE FISH MAY BE A RENEWABLE RESOURCE BUT THEY ARE A DWINDLING ONE WHAT
WITH ALL THE FISHING PRESSURE, WE NEED TO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT AND 
HANDLE THEM AS GENTLY AS WE CAN, THOSE FISHING SHOWS DON'T ALWAYS GIVE GOOD
EXAMPLES.

JOHN H. OWENS, POSTING FROM MY DAUGHTER'S ACCOUNT
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From: labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle)
Subject: Re: Surf Rod Casting Distance?
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:36:41 GMT

ajg@seas.gwu.edu (Alan Goldschen) writes:

>I have a question about getting the maximum casting distance with a surf
>rod.  We used a 9' heavy action rod, 8' light action rod and 8' medium
>action rod.  I noticed that I was able to cast farther with the 9' heavy
>action rod.  In fact, I caught the Blues and Spanish Mackerel only with
>that rod.  No luck on the 8' rods.

	The tricks in long distance casting are; 1) large open face reel
	with low drag. 2) light line with a heavy "shock leader" 3) Long
	rod 4) ideal weight for the "action" of the rod and 5) the right
	casting motion. The best rod/reel combo I know of is the Alvey made
	in Australia. They make a 6" open face reel that looks like a fly
	reel - you turn it 90' to cast. Alvey makes a 18' (I think) rod.
	A combo like this holds the world's record for distance. I've seen
	guys effortlessly cast over a 100 yds with them!

		George
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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Fishin' Extravagance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:00:28 GMT

pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky) writes:


>     Well, i am from xUSSR also, and in that environment a 16ft aluminum 
>with a 10hp kicker would be just fine. The lakes are not crowded, fish are 
>relatively plentiful and you don't have to go far to get 'em. Not the same 
>here, at least not in Upstate NY. I get to deal with lots of pleasure boats
>cruising around, pulling waterskiers/kneeboarders/etc. I also get to deal
>with jet-skiers, and some of them are not fun to share the water with. 
>I'd be very limited as to hours/bodies of water I got to fish if I didn't
>have a boat big enough to handle the wake or quick enough to get me some 
>place where conditions are more favorable to fishing.

	If you want to fish larger lakes efficiently, you do need a boat and
	modern bass boats are highly efficent comfortable machines.  However,
	if someone gave me one, I'd sell it and use the money for something
	more useful.  Here's why.  First of all, I own three boats, all
	used and bought for peanuts and specifically adapted for particular
	circumstances.  However, I seldom use any of them.

	On a local large lake, I can catch more and larger fish from shore
	below the dam in a couple of hours than I can (or almost anyone
	else can) on the lake by fishing all day.  It takes very special
	matched tackle and exactly the right lures/presentation.  As the
	fishing writer for the local newspaper, I know some of the best
	fisherman and what they catch where.

	I also catch far more and larger fish than most of them who own
	beautiful bass rigs, by fishing smaller lakes from shore and
	carefully chosing the lake, time, and knowing where and how to
	fish each particular lake.

	This is not to brag-you couldn't care less.  It is to make the
	following points.  1.  Take the time to explore and find good
	fishing locations, often privately owned, and learn how to
	best fish that particular lake/river.  2.  Ask a million
	questions, from anyone who knows anything.  Find out where/
	how people who catch the most fish do it.  3. Fish as close to
	home as possible so that you aren't stuck with having to fish
	at unproductive times.  4.  Don't follow the crowd.  Go where
	the fish are and people aren't.  It isn't that difficult.  Avoid
	larger lakes with water skiers, particularly on weekends.  Fish
	them at night, particularly midnight to dawn if you really
	want to fish there.  Anyone who has the money can buy a large
	bass outfit, roar around a lake chunking surface lures at 
	stumps or plastic worms down points.  A lot of people fish that
	way and mostly have nice boat rides.  Find a lightly fished lake
	and LEARN how to fish it effectively at different times of the
	year by a lot of experimenting and reading about a lot of different
	techniques.  It's a lot more productive and a lot less expensive.
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:21:29 GMT


	A good way to do crappie and bluegill filets is to find a good
beer batter recipe and instead of beer (overpowering), use club soda or
saltfree seltzer.  The fish flavor really comes thru this way.

Val

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From: gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:07:18 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug21.171946.3992@netnews.whoi.edu>, lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) writes:
|> In article <920821072902@joker.ftp.com>, rodin@vax.ftp.com  (Jon Rodin) writes:
|> > 
|> > wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller) writes:
|> > >         Since the topic has been brought up, how many types of bluegill, 
|> > > etc are there? I know when I catch 'em....and they seem to attack 
|> > > anything around here, some have redish bellies, some orange, some white...
|> > > None of my fishing books goes into any differences. Are they all the same 
|> > > species or what?
|> > 
|> > Paraphrased from the Audubon Society Field Guide:
|> >(species ID info deleted)
|> 
|> Species identification among the sunfishes is complicated by their
|> tendency to hybridize.  To quote from the chapter on bluegills
|> in Freshwater Fishes of Canada (1979) by W.B. Scott and E.J. Crossman:
|> 
|> "This species is known to hybridize with the longear, orangespotted,
|> green, redbreast, redear, and pumpkinseed sunfishes, and the
|> warmouth.  In many cases the hybrids are fertile and able to mate
|> with both parents and with hybrids...  The degree of hybridization is
|> so great and the range of characters so confusing as to make it almost
|> impossible to separate hybrids from backcrosses with parental species,
|> or even to designate pure parental forms."
|> 
|> On Cape Cod there are ponds with good populations of bluegills and
|> pumpkinseeds.  The fish readily hybridize, and I see all sorts of color 
|> and pattern variations in the fish I catch.  Color also intensifies in
|> male fish during the breeding season.  So enjoy doing species ID's on
|> sunfish, but don't worry too much when you catch a fish that
|> doesn't seem to match the descriptions in your guide book.

While fishing Caesar Creek Lake here in south-west Ohio, either my fishing
partner or myself caught a fish proportioned like a bluegill. The fish
was colored like a bluegill but had the black spots of a crappie. I knew
that bluegill and sunfish tend to cross breed but I had never seen anything
like this.

--
Gordon Edwards                         The weather is here,
gordon@meaddata.com                    I wish you were beautiful.
                                                 -J. Buffet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors)
Subject: Panfish? (Was: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?)
Originator: jmc@newton.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:06:41 GMT

From article <1992Aug18.150132.19476@ncsu.edu>, by plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron):

> of them so the little guys can have more food.  Other 
> panfish (with larger mouths than bluegill) such as green sunfish, 
> warmouth bass and rock bass will eat minnows and are in direct competition 
> with bass for forage,  these unwanted species should be indescriminantly 
> killed on sight.
> 
> 
> 		-Pat.
>

Why are they called panfish?  I have never met anyone who even heard
of anyone eating a sunfish or bluegill.  In the northern half of the US,
yellow perch are considered a decent panfish.  In fact, nearby
Lake Champlain used to be consider the perch capital of the US.  There is
brisk commercial perch fishing in the winter.  Down South, I have heard
the term 'Bream' and understood it to mean pumpkinseeds, bluegills, and
others in the sunfish family which are not large/smallmouth bass.

If we are to believe the fishing shows when they say:
	"If you want table fish, go for bream..."

OK, I am willing.  How do you clean them?  Any recipes?  I can make
a chowder out of anything.  (Being a New Englander, it's genetic. :-) )

JC in VT
-- 
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:46:45 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

kenf@darkstar.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Fortenberry) writes:
> I've read in this newsgroup that it is customary to give a tip 
> after a chartered fishing trip. I've never been on a charter boat
> so that was news to me.
> 
> I've also never hired a guide before but I've hired a guy to take
> me fly fishing in Yellowstone for a day. Is it customary to tip
> your guide ? If so, what's an appropriate tip for a $200 day of
> fishing ?
> 
> --
> Ken Fortenberry                            | Internet: kenf@uiuc.edu
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | BITNET: KENF@UIUCVMD.BITNET
> Computing & Communications Services Office | UUCP: uunet!uiuc.edu!kenf 
> 1304 W. Springfield Ave.  Urbana, IL 61801 | Phone: (217) 244-3215

I also have never used a guide but from what I have heard it is 
appropriate to tip your guide according to how hard he has worked
for you, not how many fish you caught or how big they were.  If he
worked hard trying to show you a good day of fishing a tip in the 
10% to 20% range would work.  I'm told that sometimes you can take
them out to dinner or buy them a gift, but my guess is that they would
prefer the $.  


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From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing in N. California
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:20:17 GMT
	<1992Aug21.000740.21343@morrow.stanford.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corp.
In-reply-to: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU's message of 21 Aug 92 00:07:40 GMT

I just got back from that area. The fishing in Yosemite is fun (small
stream, rainbows and brookies) they're small but plentiful. Another
fun spot is outside of bridgeport(just north of mono), call green
creek. Way up in the mountains at the end of a 10 mi dirt road.

I don't know about the condition of the walker and the other big
rivers though.

Pick up a copy of the book "blue ribbon trout streams of Cal" (or
something like that, its got a yellow cover), it is an excellent
source.

Tight lines,
rick
--
richard.frankel@amail.amdahl.com
From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Skunked!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:08:02 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems

In article <Bt79Dx.9u9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:
|> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|> >For two days in a row I have fished "my" creek, and been skunked.
|> >Loads of fish in there, jumping all over the place, and I could
|> >even *see* then a lot of the time.
|> 
|> >The fish would follow my spinner or spoon, but never close to
|> >within about six inches, it was infuriating to watch them do
|> >this.
|> 
|> Once I was fishing for trout with corn and watched a school of them
|> swimming around just looking it my corn for a long while.  Finally,
|> I got bored and decided to just throw in all the corn I had to feed
|> them.  I took a handful from the can I had and tossed it in and they
|> went into a freeding frenzy gobbling every last bit.  Gee, this looks
|> promissing I thought, and put some corn back on my hook, dropped it in
|> and then tossed in another handful of corn and had one instantly.
|> 
|> This works so well, it's hardly sporting.  Might as well just throw
|> a net over the school.

It's also illegal almost everywhere. It's called chumming. Look at your fishing regulations.

Daryl
From: mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:51:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Landing fish
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

 
> Some fish are a little more hearty than others.  Many claim that just 
> touching a trout will rub off essential protective oils from their skin
> while you can attach a stringer of catfish to the bumper of your car, drive
> 20 miles to the next lake, toss in the stringer and the fish still live.

A lot depends on the environment.  A few years ago I heard a report from
Dr.  Robert Benke, a well-known expert on trout, that discussed his
results of a study of the Yellowstone river within the YNP.  Some of his
findings were surprising:

1.  They found about 97% survival rate for all trout caught and returned
to the river.  This included trout that were well-handled, those handled
by children, those thrown onto the bank, etc.

2.  They found that for fish caught by flies, barbed and barbless hooks
had about the same survival rates.  In fact, the numbers almost
indicated that barbed hooks caused lower mortality than barbless but
this was within the margins of error.

When I questioned him about the findings, he hypothesized that

a.  The Yellowstone is an extremely fertile river.  Fish grow quickly
there and in general they don't live in the same stress that most trout
must overcome.  The results may not be duplicated elsewhere.

b.  WRT barbed vs barbless:  Barbless hooks, while easier to remove, can
penetrate deeper into the fish, thereby causing a "stiletto effect" to
the brain. 

I still handle the fish as gently as possible and I still use barbless
hooks (and I think Robert does, too) because I don't believe that a
single study on a single river gives conclusive evidence for anything in
a general sense.  But it is food for thought.

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com

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From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Rod cases
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:23:44 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <92Aug14.215538.16875@acs.ucalgary.ca> powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
>
>During my trip to the Yukon this summer, my Plano rod case was
>wrecked by the airline. The end of my 7' one piece muskie rod
>inside the case was also snapped off (imagine my delight when I
>discovered it). I have since been compensated by the airline.
>
>: Where can I buy a better rod case?
>

I recently had to grab a ferry and realized i didn't have a good way to take
along my freshwater rods. I quickly stopped at the closest hardware/supply store
and bought 6 feet of 3in PVC pipe. I measured and determined that I needed 3"
because the guides on my spinning rods are over 2" in diameter.

Anyway, since I was looking for quick and cheap, I bought 2 end caps and a
small container of pvc cement. Glue one end cap on, leave the other loose
(except for some duct tape) and you've got a SOLID, virtually indestructable
rod case. It's heavy, and i needed to drill a few holes to install a shoulder
strap, but it works great and even the clumsiest airline would have a problem
breaking it.. 

My other case is made of PVC but with holes drilled in it (perforated pvc). 
This is lighter, but prob. less indestructable.. BUT IT IS PLENTY TOUGH.. ON 
this case I glued a drain plug into one side and use a standard endcap on
the other. Only problem I have had is that since it's 7' long it often rides
on the roof racks and as such, it whistles in the wind.. guess it's the holes;-)

If you use fly or baitcasting rods, you can prob use 2 or 2.5" pvc. This will
be lighter.. OH Total cost for the 6footer.. under $10.

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
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