HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Bang paths (was: UUCP mail processing ethics)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:00:27 -0800
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <XNDiuB14w165w@pinetree.org> gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis) writes:
>fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

>> In article <uHBguB1w165w@clovis.felton.ca.us> tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (T
>> |=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>> |tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us - 
>> |uunet!scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%A
>> 
>> For some reason, I don't think that sending mail to the bang-path above will
>> get to you, Timothy.  Personal sig files don't have percent-variables expande
>> you need to replace the %A with your own name.

>In the bang path above, isn't the uunet reference redundant since 
>scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%s (where %s is the user) presumably a 
>valid bang path in itself assuming the scruz knows clovis?  (And 
>shouldn't clovis be in a map somewhere if it's part of the .us domain and 
>not a sub-domain off a main site in a city?)

Well...if clovis.felton.ca.us is indeed registered in the US domain, then
the bang path is redundant.  However, if clovis is not registered, then
it most likely is needed, and clovis should get on the stick.

steve

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:04:26 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:

> pathalias should be taken out and shot.  it's time has passed for most folks.
> seriously, everyone...get MX'd. domainize your headers.  let bang-paths die.

By the way.. I disagree religiously with this sentiment.  I think there is
a right and proper place for pathalias.  However, it is indeed in a sorry
state today, and will likely never recover from the mismanagement it's seen.

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From: garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: snews190, how to make it work ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:35:33 GMT
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

Could anyone please teach me how to make snews190 work ? When I run unbatch,
it keeps on saying "can't read rc info" and refuse to do anything.

Thanks in advance

-gary


garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
GloCom BBS - The BBS brings usenet/internet to Hong Kong Public (852)4925025
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From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: UUPC 1.11w and NEWS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 08:53:34 EST
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063

peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler) writes:

> zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
> >
> > I have snews190, though I had heard something about TRN and a couple of 
> > others.  
> 
> To my knowledge there are only these two
> newsreaders: Trn and snews.

I believe there's another called cppnews or something similar. You can
find it on the simtel mirrors under msdos/uucp if I recall... Relatively
new, and I haven't had time to look at it though, so can't vouch for it.


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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Script TIme Out
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:26:28 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***) writes:

-> I am having a problem with a New Site that I am Feeding from :-)
-> 
-> Login:
-> Password:
-> all OK,
-> then the other side send out a whole screen of text message
-> before the hand shake. 

If this account is just for UUCP transfers, then you shouldn't get a
whole screen of text.  The are probably misconfigured.

-> On my site, the system display
-> "Awaiting for name" or something like that..
-> Becuase of the big text screen, my system would time out :-((
-> 
-> What should I modify in the Static to increase the time between?

If the other side is configured correctly and just wants to send a 
machine, who isn't reading it, a screen of text.  The work around 
is not in your static file or uucico command line.

In your ~/uucp/scripts file line for that system add another 
send/expect sequence.

  <<line wrapped for clarity>>
othersite    in:--in: uucp word: password 
       last\sfew\swords\sof\slast\sline--last\sfew\swords\sof\slast\sline

Keep tacking on "--last\sfew\swords\sof\slast\sline" till you stop
timing out.  I recommend you actually only use 2 or 3 words.  One is
best, if, and only if, it is unique in the screen of text.

This is similar to what I do when I have to telenet to my UUCP account
via a standard user account.  (Hope my host's sysadmin doesn't read
this. :)




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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:55:53 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
> Why would it be bad in your imaginary situation to keep logs of passthru
> mail?

Assuming the Government searches your system, it should be more difficult for 
them to hold you responsible for knowing what passed through your machine if 
they can't show that you kept logs.

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From: Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WANTED: FTP Site for Unix version of Waffle..
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:48:17 PST
Organization: Halcyon's Remote

flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower) writes:

> Well, I'm looking for an FTP site that has the tar file for the Unix version
> of Waffle.. I've poked around on a number of sites, only finding the DOS
> version...  I suppose if I have to, I can call up the support system...

The source code costs $120.  The unix versions are NOT shareware.
From: hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Script TIme Out
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:08:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Hi all, 

I am having a problem with a New Site that I am Feeding from :-)

Login:
Password:
all OK,
then the other side send out a whole screen of text message
before the hand shake. On my site, the system display
"Awaiting for name" or something like that..
Becuase of the big text screen, my system would time out :-((

What should I modify in the Static to increase the time between?

I tried uucico -s system -t 120
No hope :-(

Please mail me ..
Thank you

H.
hho@usc.edu


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From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: STATUS File
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:52:38 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid) writes:

[formula and other stuff deleted]
> 
> The subtraction of 7 hours from the formula seems to yield the correct result
> although I don't understand the significance of this number.  I arrived at
> it purely by emperical means.
> 
> So, can someone tell me if and where I'm going wrong in this formula.  I
> can't help but think that the calculations for leap years must be more
> complex.. perhaps requiring some modulo arithmetic.  And I don't understand
> why subtracting 7 hours seems to work.
> 
My guess is that the 7 hours is the adjustment to your time zone to get to GMT
and that is why the 7 hours.  For other time zones I would think it would be
5 or 6 hours etc.

Greg


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From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle and V32bis
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:58:10 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

Anybody experienced troubles with Waffle 1.64 and a V32bis modem ?
It seems that Waffle can't run as fast as the modem...

Any suggestion ?

thanks.

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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Posting files to news or mail
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:49:14 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com writes:

> I hope you dont mind the following binary file.  It is quite
> short so it shouldnt take up too much space.

Has the topic of creating a comp.bbs.waffle.binaries group ever
come up? If not, I think maybe it should be at least considered.
If I remember correctly, this group's charter specifically stated
the group was not meant for binary postings. (A line which I have
crossed myself)

I'd say the group would need to be moderated to avoid duplicate
or rediculous posts, possibly by the manager of a major Waffle
file archive site.

That way, at least sites would have a choice in the matter when
it comes to receiving binary posts.

There.. I cast the stone..

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From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: HELP! Wafmail batch files
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:24:23 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

Hmm, its been 3 days since I posted this, no smidgeons of a reply via
mail or in the group. I have a feeling something bad happened and this
didnt get out at all.

This is really messy. I need to have Wafmail running for my users, cause
the amount of news reading is swamping the system, and people need a
good editor (since I havent found/setup microEmacs for dos yet).

I have a problem with Wafmail. It all works fine til it tries to run the
batch file to ZIP everything up, then it aborts with a DOS ERROR #8 and
says something about HEAP memory or something.

Can I change my stacks entry or something to get it to work? My
environment size or something? I have alot of memory left over when
running waffle, so it shouldn't be that. Anyone running WAFMAIL 10 fix
this problem before?

Thanks.

/kc

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From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Priv-problem
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:33:43 +0100
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering


How can I have a user have the priv's to read system-mail (with SYS) but let
him be unable to shell to dos ?

Michel
From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and Share.exe question?
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:55:13 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

pspeer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

> In article <5ZVkuB9w165w@remote.halcyon.com>, Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcy
> > pspeer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> > 
> >> peacefully co-exist. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, how 
> > 
> > Why must you run share?
> > 
> Well, I run Packrat and ObjectVision. Packrat needs it and to use the Paradox
> engine in Objectvision it must be loaded. If there was a way to load it and
> then unload it (without rebooting) while running uuxqt, that would work. If y
> know of a way to do that, I could just do things that way.

This is not an ad for Digital Reseach!
If you use DR DOS 6 you can load share.exe at anytime and then turn it
off with the /X switch anywhere from the comand line.

Handy, no?

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                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:58:20 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <uHBguB1w165w@clovis.felton.ca.us> tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (T
> |=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> |tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us - 
> |uunet!scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%A
> 
> For some reason, I don't think that sending mail to the bang-path above will
> get to you, Timothy.  Personal sig files don't have percent-variables expande
> you need to replace the %A with your own name.

In the bang path above, isn't the uunet reference redundant since 
scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%s (where %s is the user) presumably a 
valid bang path in itself assuming the scruz knows clovis?  (And 
shouldn't clovis be in a map somewhere if it's part of the .us domain and 
not a sub-domain off a main site in a city?)

My $0.02 Canadian before exchange.

  --G

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From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: cookies & zippies
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:13:27 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <73NiuB2w165w@korova.freeside.com> system@korova.freeside.com (razorback) writes:
|you think its to enforce registration? hell, i only make 10$ a week...

No, the only difference between a registered Waffle and an unregistered Waffle
is that the unregistered Waffle sysop is richer and should feel much more
guilty.

Do you have cookie_ok: in your static file?  If not, you won't be able to
do anything with cookies with the COOKIE command, or the %C or %Z percent
sequences.  See manual.doc and the static file as distributed with 1.65...

What do you get if you type COOKIE LIST?

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: cookies & zippies
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:20:19 GMT

system@korova.freeside.com (razorback) writes:


>they dont work. i just added a text file with |'s at the end of each 
>line. nada.  i just dont know how ill survive without them
>but otherwise, i have no problems.

Make sure you haven't put disable : cookies (or zippy) in your
static file.  Also, did you unzip the file from the DISTRIBUTION
archive or the one someone gave you?  Also, is the file in your
~/waffle/system directory?

>you think its to enforce registration? hell, i only make 10$ a week...

This is nonsense.  Waffle never has been crippled.  In talking with
Tom over the years, I think I can safely say it never will be.
From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Cookies
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:49:11 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

I don't normally use cookies,but with the talk of them I decided to give
mine  a try.  They didn't work. :(   I've not done anything with them  at
all since I installed 1.65 (fresh install, i totallly deletel 1.64 before
starting).

Any ideas?
Greg

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Duplicate mails with more than one feeds
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:49:48 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

Martin Welk <mw@pandora.mei.open.de> writes:

> Hi !
> 
> Another problem: I get news from two different sites. If on site1
> an article is crossposted to a newsgroup I usually get from site2,
> the news are batched for site2. When I poll site2 I get them again
> from there and I feed 'em to this site !
> 
> How could I stop this ???
> 
> I'm using Waffle 1.65.
> 
> Martin
> --
> Martin Welk, O-8250 Meissen, Germany        mw@pandora.mei.open.de / mw@sax.d
> Why did all NASA people in the late 80's drink Coca-Cola ?
> Because they didn't get Seven Up !

It helps if most of the articles from your feed sites are flowing from
a single hub above:

                  .    Internet hub (e.g., emory)
                 / \
                .   .  Usenet news hubs (e.g., slammer, uumind)
                \  /
                 .     Well-connected Waffle (e.g., willard)

You can then change your FEEDS file to say (using real-world examples):

    slammer /path=emory /batch=comp16 *
    uumind /path=emory /batch=comp16 *


However, that approach won't catch everything.  When you receive the second
copy from your second feed, because of cross-posts or whatever, that is the
real source of your problems.  The REAL answer is to detect, and delete, the
duplicate messages, prior to batching them up for feeding to the other site.

There are several third-party software applications to remove dupes.. two of
which I wrote (antidupe, wafhist), and another recently under discussion in
this newsgroup (Kevin Houle's DupWeed -- posted as a UUE to the newsgroup).

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From: system@korova.freeside.com (razorback)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: cookies & zippies
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:43:29 CST
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783


they dont work. i just added a text file with |'s at the end of each 
line. nada.  i just dont know how ill survive without them
but otherwise, i have no problems.
you think its to enforce registration? hell, i only make 10$ a week...

squid

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Waffle and V32bis
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:07:38 GMT

flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta) writes:

>Anybody experienced troubles with Waffle 1.64 and a V32bis modem ?
>It seems that Waffle can't run as fast as the modem...

We lock waffle and the dte at 38400 and run with v.32bis with a
Telebit WorldBlazer.  Good interateractivity and throughput.
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:56:18 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

-> When Waffle passes mail to a local newsgroup it doesn't show up either.  I
-> would like to get that rmail if it did that.  Not because I want to read 
-> it all, but because I want to have ADMINinstrative records of just what my
-> system resources are being used for.

This message sent me looking at my logs.

I found that ANY incoming mail that is processed through a alias 
is not logged.



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From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: rot(13)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 09:49:58 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group


Are there any programs that let you rot(13) a post in waffle?

Encrypt, not decrypt. I know the X command.

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From: Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,sbay.waffle
Subject: Re: Cross posting (was Fun with MS Windows)
Summary: need option to change Newsgroup line
Keywords: waffle crossposting
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:01:24 PST
Distribution: us
Organization: The Land of Garg

Message to Tom:

For the next version: 

Please allow the editing of all headers, especially the To: 
and Newgroups: lines. Currently, if you do a followup to a 
cross-posted newsgroup, there is no method to delete the 
inappropriate groups.

For example: This post is a followup to a message posted to
sbay.waffle and comp.bbs.waffle. I cannot drop either
post from the distribution. To my knowledge, about the only
thing I can do is limit the damage by changing the Distribution:

	Distribition: sbay (this post is "us")

The other half of the problem is that I cannot see, using the
Headers option, what is there to double check.

Bob

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