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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: practice formats
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:26:46 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <wperz.56.0@srg1.psych.pitt.edu>, wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu
(Walter Perz) writes:
|>Hi there
|>
|>I was wondering if anybody was willing to share their thoughts on how to 
|>structure a good set of practice sessions.
|>
|>I am a relatively new bowler (1 yr+), and have had around a dozen lessons.  
|>These lessons were structured in a two-hour session, where for the first 
|>hour, I would work with the instructor on certain aspects of the technique
|>(i.e. locking the elbow and following straight through the ball), and for 
|>the second hour, work on reinforcing those thoughts.  His advice is that 
|>during a two-hour practice session to work on two things in the technique on 
|>each shot for twenty-five minutes, and then take a 5 minute break.  In the 
|>next part, work on two different things and so on.
|>
|>What does everyone think about these things?
|>
|>
|>TTFN
|>
|>Walter
                                     
	That's pretty much the way I try to practice. I will usually have
1 or 2 specific items to work on. During the practice session I will work
on these sometimes despite the pins (i.e. I'll shoot 7 pins even though I
didn't leave one, etc).
	The two biggest problems I have practicing though are:
1) Other people bowling with me. It's really tough to try and practice
	when your partners are thrilled to be beating you.
2) Automatic Scorers. If I see my score during practice I naturally
	want to do better so i try harder so I stop practicing and start
	competeing.
I know these may sound related, but I have just found that I can't relax &
practice while worring about how I score.

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From: farshad@hpcvcbd.cv.hp.com (Farshad Etessami)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Need a ball recommendation in a hurry
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:48:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

You might try a blue turbo. I own both the black and the blue
turbo and found 4 to 5 boards difference in hook between the
two. Both balls have identical weight blocks and hit very well.
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From: dmillard@encore.com (Debbie Millard)
Subject: Re: Another weird night ...
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:03:19 GMT

In article <js.59.0@machine.nowhere.edu> js@machine.nowhere.edu (Joe Schmoe) writes:
>Boy oh boy, are we having fun yet?
>
>
>I go back to the bench, take off my shoe and there is this black-ish, 
>brown-ish substance on the perforated part of my _NEW_ Linds Classic PS 
>shoes.  
>
>At this point, I am livid.  Not only did this substance ruin the 
>rest of my night, but I have no idea how to remove it from the sole.  The 
>girl at the counter offered me some tru-slide which cleared up the problem 
>for about 2 frames at a time.  It looks like some dried coca-cola or 
>something.
>
>Anyone have some hints on how to clean this?   HELP!!!

Don't know how to get it off, but this is the very reason I
*never* walk outside the circle with my slide shoe on.  If
I have to, I walk on the side of my foot so the sliding surface
doesn't touch the carpet.  When people ask why, I point to all
those ugly brown spots and say, "See those?  That's spilt coke...
do you want that on *your* shoes?"

Tough way to learn the lesson.  Shake it off and do better next week!
Oh...you may want to steel wool the sole to see if that gets the
gunk off.

Debbie M.
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: practice formats
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:20:26 GMT

In article <wperz.56.0@srg1.psych.pitt.edu> Walter Perz,
wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu writes:
>I am a relatively new bowler (1 yr+), and have had around a dozen
lessons.  
>These lessons were structured in a two-hour session, where for the first 
>hour, I would work with the instructor on certain aspects of the
technique
>(i.e. locking the elbow and following straight through the ball), and
for 
>the second hour, work on reinforcing those thoughts.  His advice is that 
>during a two-hour practice session to work on two things in the
technique on 
>each shot for twenty-five minutes, and then take a 5 minute break.  In
the 
>next part, work on two different things and so on.

You certainly are starting off on the right foot (no pun intended) taking
lessons early in your bowling!  It's much harder to break bad habits after
bowling for many years.  As for the bowling regimen your instructor
advises, I see no problem with it.  Myself, when I'm instructing, I
usually
work on one or two areas the student needs to work on (usually I start
with proper approach and "spot" bowling concentration), slowing graduating
up to more complex maneuvers such as board placement of the ball, release,
lift, follow through etc.  Either way, I've found people learn alot more
if
you keep the items they need to work on down to a minimun and try not
to "flood" the student with a kazillion different things they need to
learn.

regards,

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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From: gross@clam.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross)
Subject: Try-outs
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:39:29 GMT


    Well, the first weekend of tryouts has past at Ohio-state and I didn't
have that good of a showing.  I had more splits in the last two days than I've
had in the last two months.  The first 6-game block on Sat. I shot 1045 for a
174 average and sun. I threw 1014 for a 169 avg. That comes out to be a 171
avg. for the try-outs so far.  I'm 17th in position and he usually takes 12-15
bowlers for the team.
    Sunday we bowled at a center in the middle of nowhere with hardly
any air-conditioning so the lanes broke down extremely fast.  I was having the
worst problem with getting the ball out onto the lane.  I only had 1 200 (205)
and I had to shoot the last 6 strikes to do that.  I know longer want to show
the coach that I CAN bowl, but I want to prove to myself that I can come back
from a bad weekend and still make the team.  If I shoot 1300 in the next 2 
blocks than I should make it.  That would be around a 216 average for the last
12 games.  I'm going to practice this week on my spares and split conversions
so I can go out next weekend and do some damage no matter what sh*t condition
they throw at us.
    It may sound like I'm complaining about Sundays shot, but I'm not the only
one.  No left hander shot 1200 and only 4 right handers broke that mark.That 
shot WAS tough and there's nothing I can do now but look to next weekend.
                             Later,
                                 Myke...


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 *                                      *                                     *
 *  Myke Gross                          *                                     *
 *  Junior in Cis/Eng                   *        Now...how long is it till    *
 *  Ohio State University               *                Finals?              *
 *  gross@cis.ohio-state.edu            *                                     *
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar)
Subject: Re: Straight ball for spares?
Organization: Delfin Systems
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:37:02 GMT


	Bowlers using wrist supports should take Aki's advice to heart.

	Twelve years ago as a jr. league bowler the guys in our league were 
under the impression that good bowlers used wrist supports (if they were 
good enough for the pro's on TV then they were good enough for us kids).  
If we were having a problem with our game we tended to blame our wrist 
supports (bowl a few frames without it - still frustrated - put it back on 
for a few and so on).  In our case we were using these things as crutches 
to blame our inability to adjust to lane conditions and/or maintain a 
consistant delivery.

	It wasn't till about five years ago that, much to my suprise, I was 
informed that many of the pros who wear wrist braces were really wearing the 
vinyl shell - sans support - for advertising purposes only (big money in 
that from what I understand).  This information was provided by a PWBA hall 
of fame member who was touring military installations in Europe around '87.
She didn't advocate that everyone give them but wanted bowlers to be aware
that even though we see them being used on TV they're not being used as
they are sold (without the metal/plastic support).

	Since then I've dispensed with mine.  Initially it was out of 
a feeling of disillusionment (how can "professionals" do that to us!).  However,
I've attained more confidence and control since I've given up the support and
wouldn't consider bowling with one again.  It forced me to be more focused on
my hand position and delivery which has in turn given me a better reaction 
from my ball (I start five boards left of center on the approach, use the 
10-12 board as my release target, the ball will travel out to about the 5 board 
and then finish with a late snap into the pocket - BTW I'm a rightie with a 
185 book avg. and use a black Rhino, near 3 oz. weight block with 1/2 side, 
1/2 finger weight).   However, since I'm  not using a support I find it easy 
to throw my Rhino nearly straight by "breaking" my wrist and keeping my thumb 
positioned near 12 o'clock during my release.  In general I only use this
technique for corner spares as I feel more comfortable using my normal release 
on spares where the pins are located in the middle of the lane.

	It's took me a awhile to get used to bowling without it but for me
it was well worth the time.


PS:

	To bowlers who use talc to aleviate a tight fitting thumb hole -
	USE CHAPSTICK INSTEAD - IT IS REALLY A SUPERIOR PRODUCT!!!


--
Anton Pintar                Delfin Systems      408-734-2400
antonp@delfin.com           Sunnyvale, CA

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: BOWLING HONOR ROLL
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:15:41 GMT

ALT.SPORT.BOWLING HONOR ROLL
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WEEK ENDING 9/11/92:

212 200 233 - 645 Tim Burgess (Mixed Doubles League)
233 257 657 - 657 Tim Burgess (5 Man League... New Sumo)  
279 255 235 - 769 Wayne Deane (1st 8 in game 1, 1st 7 in game 2)
169 225 155 - 549 Dave Fleck (Sumo and Oil don't Mix!)
158 204 230 - 592 Ben Gibson (I had to include myself this week)
Picked up 7-10    Carl Chesbrough (and he didn't even see it!)

WEEK ENDING 9/18/92:

202 201 193 - 596 Bob Baker (No X-calibur carry - too many 9 counts)
247 232 224 - 703 Doug Hoskins (Opening night 680 Hdcp.- Clean in all 30 frames)
182 126 226 - 534 Donna Feliciano (Nice recovery from second game)
219 211 183 - 613 Lisa Vargas (Lisa's Sister.. Way to go Ladies)
215 173 192 - 580 Ben Gibson (Too many missed 10 pins - SSDD)
3-7-10 & 2-7-10   Mike Connelly (Made both splits the same night)
207 181 245 - 633 Todd Grimes \     Position Round
188 211 215 - 618 Duane Downs  >   All on the same team!
168 223 206 - 597 Pat Gleason /  1020 1040 1120 Team Series

WEEK ENDING 9/25/92:

233 181 221 - 625 Andy Anthony (Note: pocket hit, moved the 8 to 4 spot)
256 236 189 - 681 Doug Hoskins (Blew it the last game w/a couple splits)
247 257 244 - 748 Roman Zamora (Doug's Teammate, not on the net)
108  98 178 - 384 Sheryl Shellards (First Time League Bowler 95 Av)
178 225 165 - 568 Eric Landes (175 ave, nice middle game)
210 169 191 - 570  Howard Fear (Highest series yet)

Submit Honor Scores to Ben Gibson (bkg@ssd.kodak.com)
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Straight ball for spares?
Keywords: incentives
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.203702.19614@delfin.com> antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar) writes:
	[about using wristers as a junior bowler...deleted]
>
>	It wasn't till about five years ago that, much to my suprise, I was 
>informed that many of the pros who wear wrist braces were really wearing the 
>vinyl shell - sans support - for advertising purposes only (big money in 
>that from what I understand).  This information was provided by a PWBA hall 
>of fame member who was touring military installations in Europe around '87.
>She didn't advocate that everyone give them but wanted bowlers to be aware
>that even though we see them being used on TV they're not being used as
>they are sold (without the metal/plastic support).
>
Don't know the exact proportions, but I'd bet too, that a fair percentage
of the pros use these things for the incentives.  Case in point -- some
of you out there must remember a device called the "Kinetic Controller"?
It was a red plastic "thing" with a pinky finger support, that fit on
the back of the hand.  It was probably about 6-8 years ago when the KC
was out.  Well, to make it short, a friend (no name, sorry! Some of
you may already know who it is!)  made the "show" around that time and
proceeded to wear a *left-handed* KC -- on his *right* (bowling) hand!
First off, he rarely uses wristers; second, can you imagine what a left
handed KC looked like on the right hand???  Oh yeah, and he shot a buck-
sixty and lost.  So, to this day, I don't think he was using the Kinetic
Controller (and a left-handed one, at that...) for the sake of improved
scoring!  %^)

The money for incentives is heftier with high visibility items like
the ball and shirts than with wristers.  I have heard of incentives in
the $500-2000 range for the use of wristers, while Gene Stus can tell
you of the financial bennies for wearing the "right" shirt and using 
the "right" ball.


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)
Subject: Re: PBA "TV" attire
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:54:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.191150.3857@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.154329.5407@hspice.portal.com> ,
>gregw@hspice.portal.com writes:
>>On a completely unrelated note, can someone shed some light on
>>Pete Webber's two suspensions?  Wasn't one for coke and the 
>>other for fighting or something.  Anyone have more details.
>>
>
>
>Don't ask me why but the PBA has told all it's members to issue
>a "no comment" on that subject...
>.
>.
>.
>.
>"no comment..."
>

ahh, the advantages of not being a pba member Ahh. ;)

Word around St. Louis was the first was indeed for substance abuse, the second
was, as I recall, for overturning a table in anger at I believe PBA officials.
I don't recall exactly what the anger was based on (a foul call, not making the
cut, etc).

but you didn't hear it from me.

bob
From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: practice formats
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:41:40 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

Hi there

I was wondering if anybody was willing to share their thoughts on how to 
structure a good set of practice sessions.

I am a relatively new bowler (1 yr+), and have had around a dozen lessons.  
These lessons were structured in a two-hour session, where for the first 
hour, I would work with the instructor on certain aspects of the technique
(i.e. locking the elbow and following straight through the ball), and for 
the second hour, work on reinforcing those thoughts.  His advice is that 
during a two-hour practice session to work on two things in the technique on 
each shot for twenty-five minutes, and then take a 5 minute break.  In the 
next part, work on two different things and so on.

What does everyone think about these things?

By the way, I have a pamphlet-like document that we work from if anyone is 
interested in what else he is stressing in his lessons.  I will try to mail 
this or even post it if there is sufficient interest.

Also, the address you see in the posting is not a valid mailing address, so 
your mail to me will bounce.  I hope to have a valid address soon. :-)

So, I thank you all for your time, and opinions.

Another question/comment:
	The lane conditions in the house where I bowl league tonight vary 
from dry to sahara-like conditions on one lane of the pair, and 
fairly normal on the other lane.  Unfortunately, the right-hand lane 
of the pair seems to be the drier of the two.  These ball returns 
are exposed, and I constantly kick it when trying to pick up a ten 
pin (note the word try :-( ) Any suggestions/advice?


TTFN

Walter
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Casual observations...
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.193350.4438@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>Guess I am missing  the torn  forearm...  but I have a cracked  collar
>bone now so that should make up for it!!!



heh..heh...sounds like 300 material to me...;-)


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Need a ball recommendation in a hurry
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.153801.15547@hspice.portal.com> ,
gregw@hspice.portal.com writes:
>
>Can someone recommend a good ball of similar construction
>to the Turbo (I like its action) that has a slightly higher
>D scale and won't break the bank?  I'd like to use this on
>nights as a spare ball when they remember to put that wet,
>slippery stuff, you Know, *oil* on our lanes :-)
>

I don't know what price range you are looking at but the Purple Sumo's
worked well for me it's D-scale is low (75-78) but it works really
well as a spare ball.  It's also really easy to shine up if you need to.

Another ball of course is the trusty pearl Hammer.  Now that it's
not the hottest thing on the market (what isn't for any longer than
a week or so?), you can probably pick one up for a hundred or less.

Then again a Columbia White Dot is always a reliable polyester ball
for spare shooting.

The Purple Sumo or Pearl Hammer will have more hitting power tho.

Good luck

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Sorry, Test
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:47:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.161213.573@b8.b8.ingr.com> Tom Adams,
tom@celtics.b8.ingr.com writes:
>test


...and a damn fine test it was too....

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: endres@fermium.edu (David Mack Endres)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Cleaning bowling balls
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:17:07 GMT
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In-reply-to: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org's message of 23 Sep 92 14:40:19 GMT


> I've seen over and over again, people trying to
> shoot the ten pin from the _1_ board instead of shooting across
> the alley.  The excuse they give is it's impossible for them to shoot
> from that side of the lane.  Seven pins are also notorious for some
> bowlers too, right handers trying to pick it up by standing on the

Take this comment with a grain of salt, I'm a 180 bowler living in a 162
body, but...

My experience coaching novices in our high-turn over league is that the the
fear of shooting cross-lane stems from failure to align the body (shoulders and
hips) with the target. I've seen soooo many people square up on the 1 board and
then throw across their body to roll "cross-lane" on a 7-pin. 

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