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From: matt@cco.caltech.edu (Matthew P. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Spelling?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:59:11 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

I'm appalled that the majority of the postings in this group seem to be debating
the spelling of the author's last name!

I currently have one of his books in front of me, unless the PUBLISHER has his 
name wrong it is spelled "ASPRIN" (I have now triple checked my spelling versus
the spelling on the book cover, there is not transcription error!)

I currently have THE RANDOM HOUSE COLLEGE DICTIONARY (revised edition) in front
of me also.  (Yes, my desk is getting a bit cluttered.)  Under ASPIRIN it has
"a derivative of salicylic acid, C9H8O4, used to relieve pain; acetylsalicylic
acid."  I have now triple checked the spelling, and there is no listing in the 
dictionary for asprin.  Other than those two spellings please don't take my 
spelling to be authoritative.  I mangle words regularly, and have never been
able to fully recall the exceptions to the i before e rule.

Unfortunately I have now added yet another posting to the group about the 
spelling of the author's name!

I shall try to redeem myself.

To avoid confusing the clueless, would it be possible to move this to 
alf.sf.fan.asprin  I KNOW that he writes stuff other than SF, but I don't recall
seeing alt.fantasy.anything .

just a suggestion

Now down to business, I have yet to meet anyone (although that by no means 
proves that they don't exist) who has liked the Phule books better than the 
Myth books.  I guess that I just don't identify with Willard Phule (I had to 
look up his first name) the way I do with Skeeve.  His very name brings a smile 
to my face.  It is all too easy to identify with poor befuddled Skeeve.

Unfortunately my copies of the Myth books are around 3000 miles away, so I can't
check on the dimension question, so I'll pose my own.  I don't like the M.Y.T.H.
books as much, I feel that not having Skeeve as the narrator really hurts the
books.  Does anyone else out there mirror my opinions? or am I a misguided fool?

Or am I shouting into a vacuum?

Matthew Johnson

Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
From: ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang)
Subject: Re: ADVIL RULES!!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:58:05 GMT

>>>In article <1993Jan20.083324.27417@fuug.fi> an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel
>>>Stevens) writes:
>>>>When will you people learn that asprin sucks.  Advil rules.  9 out of
>>>>10 doctors prefer it.  I thought everyone knew that!  Well new one on
>>>>me.  TTFN.
>>>
>>>Um.. you left out a smiley face, so I'm not sure ifyou are kidding.  This
>>>newsgroup exists for fans of Robert Aspirin.. the writer...
>>>
>>So why is the group named ASPRIN and not ASPIRIN?  Could it be that ASPRIN
>>is the writer's name and ASPIRIN is the medication?
>>
>>Please clear up the confusion asap.
>>
>>We-of-the-Aspirin-as-medication-and-not-writers
>>>
>>>
Yeah what he said!

	'Gleep!'
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:05:40 CST
From: Actor <U30633@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Re: ridiculous

In article <1993Jan22.111421.3006@dct.ac.uk>, aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk says:
>
>  sigh..this is getting ridiculous...
>
>   look forget about tablets and get back to talking about his books....
>
>  preferably the phule ones as they're the only ones i've read...
>
>  schleppel

But the confusion is still not cleared up!!!  Is it Robert ASPRIN or ROBERT
ASPIRIN??!!  And who the hell is he anyway??  And why should we read his books?

Groink!

Joel
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: precision or lack there of...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:54:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Note: All posts from this account to alt.colorguard are NOT from
Robert Dugan.  He just lets me borrow his ID to post.  (IBM doesn't
allow such things at my location)  See disclaimer at the bottom 
for more details...

Ken:  I remember that long rifle exchange!  You were one of the people
doing that?  Which one?  

I agree about lack of precision.  I think we have to continue to push
the limts of where this activity is, and we have to encourage
creativity but not at the expense of cleanliness.  I would rather see
a rifle line nail a quad than try to do a six.  But I do appreciate
the more extensive body work.  This is way beyond what used to be
done.  And if you read the sheets, equipment = 20 points and movement
= 20 points.  So they should be balanced in your show.  I still have a
tough time with that when I write work being  brought up in the 80's
colorguard world.  It just seems to me that lately a show that is
heavier on the movement/body work than on the equipment work gets more
credit than being heavier on the equipment than on the body.  Seems to
me that a 60/40 show is a 60/40 show no matter if the 60 is body or
equipment. 

Hey are there any judges that read these posts?  My big mouth could
get me in trouble!!!  Never did like that part of winter guard
competition...Free speech only to a point...

My guard's name is Q.E.D.  We are really laying it onto them this
week.  Sometime I wonder if we should go to Boston.  If we go and 
do poorly, WGI will categorize us for the rest of the season.  I don't
think they do this on purpose.  But when you have to judge 50 guards,
you have to do something to keep them all straight.  If your first
time out you do poorly, it's an uphill struggle the rest of the season
to overcome people's first impressions.  If you are in the area, stop over to
Salem HS around 3:00pm.  We could use the support!!

I can write my biased report of the Boston regional.  I'd be lying if
I said I'd be unbiased.  We all have guards we like and forgive their
mistakes, and we all have guards that have to really be good before we
admit it.  I will try to be objective, but I'm only human.

Hope to see you in Boston!

Mary C. Krembs

Director Q.E.D 
Admiral '86-89
Onteora HS '83-85

DISCLAIMER:  The owner of this account (Robert Dugan) just lets me 
borrow it to post.  Don't hold him responsible for my views!
You can respond to me directly at mkrembs@kgnvmy.vnet.ibm.com.
My opinions are also not to be connected with IBM in any way either...
Can you imagine IBM having an opinion on color guard?
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Good ole days/complaints/etc
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:50:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

>    In any event, to our credit we were the only rifle line to do
>sixes that year, and about three fives.  The sixes are in the part
>where the guard is in a spiral formation and the flag line throws
>an exchange along the spiral on a paralell, which meant that it passed
                                   ^^^^^^^^


>wouldn't get clocked.  I worked very well, and came off great in


   Come to think of it, I did get clocked a few times in rehearsals,
even had a black eye about the size of a silver dollar once, which
might explain why I can't spell parallel!

                                   KD
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: precision or lack there of...
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:29:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan) writes:


>Ken:  I remember that long rifle exchange!  You were one of the people
>doing that?  Which one?  

   Yup!  I was on the far right side, last rifle when you are watching
the videotape.  

   We put that exhcange in, in '82 but not at the WGI Olympics in
Nashville, but rather at the MAA Championships in Elizabeth, N.J.

   In '83 we put it in around the middle of March to have practice
at it before the Oly. and Champ.  Both years Brian (McCormick) and I
were the two guys to do the exchange.  We  were going to have the 
entire rifle line do it but as chauvinistic as this sounds, the girls
in the rifle line couldn't quite get the distance on the throw, plus
when it comes flying across the gym, it really numbs your palm when
you catch it.  THESE WERE THE DAYS WHEN GUARDS USED THE BIG RIFLES, not
the one everyone uses now.   If I remember one of the girls refused to
do it because she hurt her hand/knuckles, the other girls in the rifle 
line were gung ho to do it.  (This of course was '82 when the rifle line
was 50/50.  In '83, the rifle line was all male).


>I agree about lack of precision.  I think we have to continue to push
>the limts of where this activity is, and we have to encourage
>creativity but not at the expense of cleanliness.  I would rather see
>a rifle line nail a quad than try to do a six.  But I do appreciate
>the more extensive body work.  This is way beyond what used to be
>done.  And if you read the sheets, equipment = 20 points and movement
>= 20 points.  So they should be balanced in your show.  I still have a
>tough time with that when I write work being  brought up in the 80's
>colorguard world.  It just seems to me that lately a show that is
>heavier on the movement/body work than on the equipment work gets more
>credit than being heavier on the equipment than on the body.  Seems to
>me that a 60/40 show is a 60/40 show no matter if the 60 is body or
>equipment. 


  When I went to a show after a few years absence I was amazed at the
lack of uniformity in winter guard these days.  Instead I noticed a
BIG focus on individualism.  Where if one person could perform a solo
trick or whatever, it was put in.    Blessed Sac 2 years ago with the 
Capt. I believe spinning a clear or hollow rifle and Suburbanettes the
year they stood on park benches.  Every one wants to be a star!


Ken
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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: WGI REGIONALS
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:12:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.colorguard
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



1993 WGI REGIONALS:


1/30 & 31    NEW ENGLAND      Salem, MA        617-933-4491

2/6 & 7      MID-SOUTH        Nashville, TN    615-646-0949

2/13 & 14    ATLANTIC COAST   Emmaus, Pa.      215-797-5670

2/13         SOUTH FLORIDA    Pompano Bch, FL  305-463-6359

2/13         GREAT PLAINS     Kansas Cy., MO   816-353-0439

2/20 & 21    MIDWEST          OakLawn, IL      708-824-1559

2/20 & 21    SO. CALIFORNIA   Riverside, CA    714-793-4525

2/27         SOUTHWEST        Houston, TX      817-427-2273

2/27         CANADIAN         Quebec, Canada   514-252-3025

2/27         NORTHWEST        Ferndale, WA     206-384-9225

3/6          SOUTH            Pensacola, FL    904-968-6901

3/6          ROCKY MOUNTAIN   Greenwood Vil.,  303-340-1068
                               CO

3/6          NORTHEAST        Liverpool, NY    315-622-2272

3/13 & 14    MIDEAST          Centerville, OH  513-434-1121

3/13 & 14    MID-ATLANTIC     Downingtown, PA  215-692-7233

3/13 & 14    WEST             San Jose, CA     408-294-7771

4/2, 3, & 4  WGI WORLD CH.    Dayton, OH       303-424-1927
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From: winter@sporty.col.oh.us (Winter Guard Information)
Subject: Available schedules
Reply-To: winter@sporty.col.oh.us (Winter Guard Information)
Organization: J. A. Anderson & Company, Columbus, OH
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:09:46 GMT


   Contest schedules for the following circuits can be found in the
respective sch.[region] files.

  Circuit                                |  Region
-----------------------------------------|--------------------------
C.Y.O. Winter Color Guard Association    |  NE
California Independent Shows             |  SW
California Tall Flag and C.G. Association|  SW
Central Valley Guard Circuit             |  SW
Indiana Color Guard Circuit              |  MW
Midwest Color Guard Circuit              |  MW
New Jersey Association                   |  E
Ohio Color Guard Circuit                 |  MW
Ontarion Color Guard Association         |  CN
San Joaquin Valley Color Guard Circuit   |  SW
Texas Color Guard Circuit                |  S
Winter Guard Association of Southern CA  |  SW
Winter Guard International               |  WGI


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From: cambria@world.std.com (Michael C Cambria)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Good ole days/complaints/etc
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:37:43 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

History does have a funny way of changing in our memories sometimes in
some ways.  One thing that has changed in color guard (in my opinion) is
the lack of emphasis on accuracy.  There was a time when if, no matter how
easy or difficult a drill or equipment work was, you did not get alot of
credit unless it was done right (ie:  accurately, equipment caught instead
of dropped, etc.).  Now it seems that it doesn't really matter how well
you do something as long as it's difficult.  The reason I left color guard
in 1985 was exactly for this reason.  I couldn't stand the lack of quality
and did not want to be a part of it anymore.  I went to my first show
since 1985 just a couple of weeks ago and found that nothing has changed. 
I'm talking about all the classes, not just World Class.  Obviously those
guards are on a different level than everyone else.

My last year marching, 1983, my color guard (and everyone else in the
Boston area) lost every contest to a certain color guard that dropped 20 -
30 pieces of equipment EVERY show.  They were attempting more than the
rest of us and probably did deserve to win but not by 10 points every
show.  This is when I first noticed that lack of accuracy was not only
accepted but encouraged by the judges.  I feel that they encouraged it
simply by giving great scores for attempting something difficult even if
it was done totally wrong.  I feel that BOTH difficulty and accuracy are
important.  What do you think?

On another note, the girl that was cut after marching in two shows should
be upset.  I'd really love to know what guard we're talking about.  I find
what they did to her totally disgusting.  In my guard everyone
participated regardless of their ability.  I hope she finds a new guard
for next year.

Robert Dugan, who is your guard?  Is your guard going to be at the WGI
Regional this weekend in Salem, MA?  Right now I am not planning on going
but I may change my mind.  I did not get tickets so that means if I go I
will have to buy them when I get there and will probably get bad seats. 
Let us know what happens though!

Krissy
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Good ole days/complaints/etc
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:53:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dugan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Francis Dugan) writes:

>The good ole days..yeah, people are always saying that in guard and
>drum corps.  But history has a funny way of changing in our memories.
>I admit that ever since I saw Royal Guardsman in 1983 do Fiddler I've
>never been the same.  That was the first Open guard I had ever
>seen. The rifle line hit a quad (I believe) with such control and
>precision, I can still remember how amazed I was.  But when I went
>back and watched the 1983 tape, Some of the luster was missing.  Yeah,
>I still loved Quasar, but more for sentimental reasons.
>   There are more guards than ever around the country but less on the
>East Coast (I think)  why is that?


    Well I can only speak for the NYRG performance at WGI finals which
is the one you (probably) watched.  I would not say it was the best
performance for us that year.  There were a lot of individual breakdowns
that night which include some drops if you look close enough.  The most
obvious one to me is the shortest sabre in the beginning of Matchmaker
who dropped and then turned too early following that drop.  It's awful.

    I know when I watch a performance by any guard summer or winter my
eyes are immediately drawn to someone who is out too lunch!  We had
a few in '83.  I think we had a better year in '82, but that is my opinion.
If you have '83 on tape watch the part right before the Bottle Dance
begins, two rifles throw an exchange almost across the whole court.  
The guy on the right side is me, and I had to move a few steps because
the other guy's toss was short and wide to the left, but I caught it!
Again it is obvious that I had to move to catch it.  I think he may
have had to move as well to catch mine but not nearly as much.

     In another part, the very beginning  as a matter of fact the
opening toss for the rifle line, that camera angle is from the floor
and on the catch, the closeup of the guy on the left, he catches it
upside down.  HE ALWAYS BLEW THIS TOSS!!  

    In any event, to our credit we were the only rifle line to do
sixes that year, and about three fives.  The sixes are in the part
where the guard is in a spiral formation and the flag line throws
an exchange along the spiral on a paralell, which meant that it passed
over the rifle lines heads, so we had to throw a six and kneel so we
wouldn't get clocked.  I worked very well, and came off great in
Dayton.

[stuff deleted about friend being cut]

    That is a shame.  Especially these days when guards use props
to hide behind and change uniforms, equipment, etc.  They just 
wanted her out I guess.



>  I'll be in Boston, and my guard will be too.  If you are there,
>cheer for us.  My kids are young and inexperienced.  They need
>everyone's support to make it through this season.		
>Thanks!!!

   Maybe you could write something about the show?
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise)
Subject: About the E-Mass Circuit...
Summary: Excuse the specificity of this
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:52:53 GMT

     Sorry to post this not so general note on this network, but those of you 
out there who are currently involved with the E-Mass circuit, might I ask you 
some questions?

     I have a close friend who is working with the Sandwich HS guard, and I'm 
curious as to if anyone knows anything about them, either in the past few years
or currently.  Are they pretty good, or what?  My friend can be somewhat more 
positive and such than is the case, so before she tells me more wonderfully 
great stories, I just like to see if her stories hold water.

     Yes it's kind of underhanded, but the things she tells me...
THanks,
Jeff
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From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: WGI reviews, please post
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:08:45 GMT
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Anyone that gets to see a WGI show, please post the results and any info on
the shows you can give.  I would love to hear how guards are doing as the
year progresses.  So, please post any competitions you've been to, the
scores, and your reviews of the guards.  PLEASE!!

I'll be at the Great Plains Regional here in Kansas City, so I'll post
then.
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: Hi & some info on an E-Mass show
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:55:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cambria@world.std.com (Michael C Cambria) writes:

>Hi everyone.  This is my first time on this network but I've been reading what
>everyone's been talking about for a couple of weeks.

>I marched for 12 years and instructed for 2 years in a class A color guard.  I
>wonder if anyone out there remembers us?  St. Mary's from Brookline Mass.
>I marched until 1983 and instructed St. Mary's in 1984 and 1985.  Our best
>year was 1980.  Was anyone around then?

Hi Krissy!  Yes, I remember St. Mary's Brookline.  Before I marched in the
New York Royal Guardsmen, I was in the Cranford Patriots winter guard for 4
years.  However, I must admit that I am more familiar with St. Teresa's Little
Flowers than I am St. Mary's.  I think we (NYRG) only saw you at big regionals
whereas, St. T's would come down to Jersey and compete in MAA shows as well.


>I've been reading what everyone's been writing for a couple of weeks.  I forget
>your name but you marched in NYRG and was captain (I think it was 1983)
>when they did Fidler on the Roof.  You guys were great!  I got to see you
>at a couple of WGI regionals.  They were the good old days.

That's me, Ken.  Thanks for the compliments.  I think you are right, those
were the good old days, if not for the amount of guards in existence alone,
at least on the east coast.

>I went to a local Eastern Mass color guard contest a couple of weeks ago.
>It is so pitiful now, except for a few guards in Open Class and World Class.
>Blessed Sac won, Point of View was 2nd and Suburbanettes from N.H. came
>in third.  I do not have the scores though.  Sac was really good for this
>early in the season.  They climb ladders and do funky equipment work in
>their show.  Has anyone else seen anything interesting at shows yet?

Are you going to the NEW ENGLAND Regional on Jan. 30?

Ken
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard