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From: Ed.Stahl@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Stahl)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Surgery went fine (hope this message "goes"!) - LAH (his wife)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: Ed.Stahl@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/140 - Black Bag BBS, Newark DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23938

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

As I've never used this thing without Ed's expert supervision,
I have no idea if this is working -- as you can tell from looking
at this file's name. (The instructions he left were very clear on
how to read his mail but fuzzon on how to send any.)

Anyway, his surgery went fine. A couple new scars to add to
the collection. Working estimate for his "release" date is
approx. 10 days.

He sends his best to all --

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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: low cost ocr system
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:07:19 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23760

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I have used Recognita quite a bit.  We have it at work and I have
used it now with three scanners, HP Scan Jet Plus - Panasonic 506 -
and the Mitsubishi hand scanner.  This is a really nice software
and works very nicely with speech. The recognition is decent, and
supports a wide range of scanners. However, inspite of the
excellent quality of its' recognition it has one big problem.  If
you are scanning a document with columns such as in a magazine,
phlone book, or newspaper the majority of the time it does not
decolumnize the information which makes reading the file very
difficult to imposible.

I really hate to tell you that since the software really is very
good with speech, is very easy to learn and use, and has a
reasonable price.  Once they get that problem solved it certainly
will be just the right solution for a lot of people.  I also forgot
to mention that Recognita is very quick to start recognizing the
information scanned, faster than Arkenstone, if you have a 386
33MHZ or better.

Willie and the people at our local users group here in Pittsburgh
got to see it demonstrated being used with the hand scanner at a
recent users group meeting and I think there were a lot of
surprised people at how well it did in a 20 MHZ 386 SX laptop
equipped with only 1 meg of memory.  Put the hand scanner,
Recognita and a laptop that has 1 8 bit half slot or better and it
sure would make a nice package for taking to the local college
library to do research etc.  Our laptop had the scanner card in one
half slot and a DoubleTalk in the other half slot and it worked
like a charm.  So, keep an eye out for Recognita it just might
improve enough in the very near future to solve it's only real
problem.

        D. T.

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From: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Laflin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Deaf Culture
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:28:35 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/98 - The SCAM, Rockledge FL
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23893

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

JB>culture, but I seems to me an individual should strive to understand
JB>other cultures, appreciate them for what they offer, but not to use a
JB>given characteristic as a means to exclude others.

  I dont see my self as "Deaf" Culture, if anything I see myself as
  coming if from any culture both English and irish, and those are
  cultures.

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From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen Reader
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:59:52 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23710

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David Tanner writes:

 DT>         As a programmer you certainly have a typical
 DT> attitude, " the programmer knows more about what the
 DT> user needs than the user knows about what they need. "
 DT> For a computer programmer Screen Reader may be just
 DT> great, but, for the non-computer person asked to learn
 DT> to use POWL in order to use other applications other
 DT> than the few environments IBM supplies it is certainly
 DT> not the answer.

I certainly don't decide what goes into the Screen Reader product.
There are roughly 50 blind beta testers for the software who
determine what should or should not be in the package.  We do have
blind programmers working on the product, as well as blind users
who work in typical computer-oriented jobs.  They all contribute to
how the final product will turn out.

I pulled a fresh copy of Screen Reader for DOS version 1.1 off the
shelf and reinstalled it on my home machine.  It comes with 18
profiles, most of which are either DOS specific, or specific to IBM
applications.  Beyond that, IBM provides profiles for Lotus 1-2-3,
DBase III, and WordPerfect.  The date on my package is 1989, three
years ago.  I called the "people in the know" to find out about
other profiles.  The new version of Screen Reader comes with more
profiles, but I haven't picked them up yet.  I also found out that
anyone who has registered Screen Reader has been getting regular
updates with new profiles along with the Screen Reader Newsletter.
Anyone who missed profiles that came out with the newsletter gets
an update diskette which contains all the new ones.

I was puzzled by your claim that since IBM doesn't provide a
specific profile for a software package, the package can't be
used.  You do realize that Screen Reader can be used without any of
the application specific profiles, don't you?  The profiles only
provide a few niceties for working with a specific package, all the
standard access functions are still available even if there's no
profile specifically for an application.

Nobody is asking the users of Screen Reader to learn the PAL
programming language.  It's not necessary to learn any programming
language to use Screen Reader.  That's why it comes with some
profiles, and other profiles get sent out with the newsletter.
Some people enjoy writing profiles, and for those who have Internet
access, there's at least one archive site with profiles.  IBM had
nothing to do with that, it was just people helping people and
sharing what they had.

Those are just the facts.

/Greg

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Flipper Moves Ahead O
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:14:06 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23805

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DT>         Yep, I was using one speech software on the bbs here and had to
 DT> replace it because everytime the board got mail, sorted mail or did daily
 DT> maint during the middle of the night the damm thing set here beeping and
 DT> bopping.  I called the people up at Jaws and they told me that there was no
 DT> way to turn of the beeps.  They told me how to slow them down and not get
 DT> as many of them, but said there was no way to turn them off completely.

Well, my computer has a switch which will turn the computer's
internal speaker off, and it comes in handy when I am using the
computer and others are sleeping.  Also, the beeps that jaws puts
out are just little clicks on my computer.  But, then each computer
has its own beeps.

Walter

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From: Patricia.Bregman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Patricia Bregman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Oregon plan
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:57:38 GMT
Reply-To: Patricia.Bregman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL
X-Fidonet: Able News Conference

Index Number: 23694

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

Has anyone seen the exact text of Louis Sullivan's decision not to
approve the Oregon Health Plan on the grounds that it was contrary
to the ADA?

The brief reports I have seen don't make sense. Apparently they
claim that it might be discriminatory because only poor people
would have rationed care.

I find their logic impenetrable since any plan that does not cover
everything for everyone is, in some respect, rationing.  I see only
the political logic - they don't want to approve anything which
might be seen as Medicaid cutbacks nor anything that might be seen
as rationing since they argue against it.

I would be really interested in knowing how people are responding,
particularly to the use of the ADA as an excuse?

===
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From: Bill.Burgess@p0.f401.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Burgess)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Spanish
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:10:38 GMT
Reply-To: Bill.Burgess@p0.f401.n229.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:229/401.0 - The Connection HST!, Oshawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23782

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Yes, Steve, I am a self taught sighted grade two braillist.  Back in the
fall of 1986 i met a sweet young blind woman who I assisted in terms of
technical needs.  In December of that year, I bought a slate and stylus
and a booklet on braille that was printed by the Royal National
Institute for the Blind in Britain and contained grade one, two and all
abbreviations commonly used in braille.  I first tackled grade one and
brailled Christmas cards in full to her and a few other blind persons I
had met.  I also used it for other purposes and then moved on to grade
two.  I now own two braillers, a Hall's Brailler and an IBM Electric
Braillewriter as well as three slates and stylus's.  Don't leave home
without it.  The most that I have brailled in one session was 23 pages
of grade two, and got heck for saying too much in that letter.  I
enjoy using and reading braille and confess that I sight read, rather
than touch read for most of it.  I braille across Canada, the United
States and Australia at the moment.  And if I visit your residence and
find nobody home, I can leave a note that nobody else can read including
a potential burglar.  And you cannot get in the door without being aware
of it, for I tape a card with braille over the keyslot so it cannot be
missed.  A trade mark of sorts.  So that gives you an idea of what I am
up to in terms of braille.  TTYL
Bill

... If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL!

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From: Darrell.Shandrow@p0.f11.n2250.z1.fidonet.org (Darrell Shandrow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: SlimWare Window Bridge
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:59:19 GMT
Reply-To: Darrell.Shandrow@p0.f11.n2250.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2250/11.0 - Sullivan Radio Shac, Carlinville IL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23706

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i was at both conventions and noticed some problems with windows.   at
the acb convention i got a pretty good demo of the product.   he had
everything set up in macros , it seemed, and made the applications look
like they are made for speech.   when i questioned him on how it worked
then he told me about the macros he used in wordscan to make that
package speak and how some of the text in the buttons and boxes is hard
to get to without using a macro.  i also was not offered a chance to
have a handson demo of it even though there was no one else at the table
at that time.

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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille Manuals
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:21:28 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23858

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting David Andrews to David Tanner  8 Aug 92 01:57:02

 DA> I have also received a number of expensive, (very expensive)
DA> refreshable Braille displays without manuals in Braille.  Now that
DA> is unforgivable.

Hello David, that could be said a thousand times.  All braille
equipment should come with braille manuals.  I believe you once said
the braillo Comet also didn't come with a braille manual either.  Oh
well, if it'd be anything like the one they shipped with the Braillo
90, we're not missing much.  But on the other hand, you'd think
they'd have learned something.  You sure don't have to worry about
that when you buy a printer from Enabling!  They have braille
manuals and damn good ones at that!  I can't wait to see the one on
the Juliet, and I just hope it has all the nice technical and
servicing information that all their other manuals have.  Why their
manuals even tell you which tools you need to repair their
printers. It's almost as though these other printer companies have
something to hide.  It's like pulling a chicken's teeth if these
other companies tell you how to change a fuse, not to mention number
of solenoids, MTBF, etc.  The Enabling Printers even list the MTBF
rating. Simply phenomenal. Do you think the Braillo Comet has a chance
of selling very well with the Juliet out there?  Keith.

... "If the shoe fits, buy it!" - Imelda Marcos

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From: Kevin.Robinson@f15.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Robinson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Your books
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: Kevin.Robinson@f15.n280.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:280/15 - Writers' Block BBS, Raytown MO
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23944

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Thanks for asking Sam.  My two published mystery books are SPLIT SECONDS
and MALL RATS.  You might have to ask for them at your local bookstore
or library, or you can order them from several mystery book stores like
The Rue Morgue (1-800-356-5586) or Mystery Lovers Bookshop
(412-828-4877).  They are also available directly from the publisher at
1-800-AT-WALKER.
   Yours etc.,

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From: Wayne.Briggs@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Briggs)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: back pain
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Briggs@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX

Index Number: 23888

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Thanks for your message. It feels good when smeone like yourself cares
enough to send a message. However, main problem is arm pain from poor
ciculation from 17 surgaries, reflex sympathetc dystrophy, etc.that
hopefully may be reduced witih a couple of months as my specialists said
that she thinks the best thing to do under the circumstances is a
shouder amputation. My back may be getting better as it hurt too much
last year t drive a Ford Taurus & so I've ben driving a used Volvwith
lumbar supports. However, maintance-repair costs were very high &
dealers are 300-360 miles round trip away.
Sorry you didn't win the U.S. Presidential election! I'm 49, from
Michigan, living in Texas & severals other places including 3 years in
Vet-Nam.   THANKS AGAIN FOR WRITING!

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From: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Richards)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Jaws Macros
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23876

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message 08-08-92 (10:20) From: WALTER SIREN To: RICK ALFARO
WS>     Rick, in jaws 1, the macro editor was different than it is in jaws 2.
WS>However, I don't understand what they are saying about needing a macro edito
WS>in jaws 2.  It is easy enough to go into the macro menu and edit the macro.
WS>Of course you do have to go into the config file to do it.  If I remember
WS>right, in jaws 1 you could edit them without being in the config file.

The last time I tried Jaws using the macro menu was the only way to
modify a macro config file.  There was no way to create a new macro
config file, using an existing one as a subset except to use the macro
menu and adding the new ones step by step.  Two configurations couldn't
be merged or concatenated.  Nor could Jaws save the macro files to
ASCII, allowing editing in a word processor as most programs
incorporating macros are able to do.  Also the macros couldn't be
created by performing them and having the steps recorded, often the
simplest way to create macros.  I found that last deficiency doubly
annoying since I couldn't edit the macros in ASCII.
Steve R.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Anybody for a game of tagline?
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From: Michael.Rooney@f737.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Rooney)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: RSD Medline Search
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:25:57 GMT
Reply-To: Michael.Rooney@f737.n106.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:106/737 - AirBoat OnLine, Houston TX

Index Number: 23879

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

PL><i have a m. d. plus spinal arthritus & extreme scoleosis>
PL> paige

I just started getting this echo and am interested in your
having "spinal arthritis". I have ankyloysing spondylitis
which I tell people is spinal arthritis because it is easier
than explaining A.S. Would be interested in what type of
treatment you are getting from your doctor. Also would like
to hear from anyone else who has A.S.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.

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From: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Petraccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Braille Publications
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:03:49 GMT
Reply-To: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2610/12 - Post Road Inn, Greensburg PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23737

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

* Original Area: HANDY.SYSOP
* Original From: David Andrews (1:275/13)
* Original To  : All (1:2610/12)

* Original Area: NFB-TALK
* Original From: Curtis Chong (1:261/1125)
* Original To  : All (1:261/1125)

Greetings:

This is an announcement about two braille publications that NFB
conventioneers will be able to purchase at the NFB Store:

                       USING CDROM DRIVES
                     AND MICROSOFT BOOKSHELF
                        by Steve Jacobson
and
                   INTRODUCTION TO WORDPERFECT
                  Using Screen Reading Software
                        By Steve Jacobson

Both of these publications are terrific for non-technical users
and contain information that will be helpful to "power" users,
too.  Each publication (available in braille) will be selling for
$10 per copy.

The author, Steve Jacobson, works as an advanced
programmer-analyst at the 3M Corporation and serves as a board
member of the National Federation of the Blind in Computer
Science.  Both publications are sponsored by the National
Federation of the Blind in Computer Science.

If you are interested in purchasing one or both of the above
titles, make your way to the NFB Store in the exhibit area during
exhibit hours at this year's national convention in Charlotte.

Cordially, Curtis Chong

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From: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Richards)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Nfb Bbs Censorship??
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23877

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Mike, I'm not going to quote any of the message that prompted me to
send this message, for I am sincerely looking for information and not
seeking to fan the flames of controversy.  There have been in several
messages allusions to the expulsion of affiliates from NFB, which I
think everyone would agree is a grave action to take.  Can you tell me
how many affiliates have been expelled during NFB's history and the
stated reasons for the expulsions?  I should also like to hear from
anyone who knows of similar expulsions from ACB and the reasons for
same.  If you would prefer not to reply to my query here I'd be happy to
hear from you via the post office.  My address is:
Steve Richards
P. O. Box 1645
Morgantown, WV  26507

I am genuinely trying to understand both organizations and to decide
which, if either, should have my allegiance.  I would like to know what
would prompt any organization to expell entire affiliates, especially
any organization which refers to itself as "like a family".  A family
does not readily oust its own members.
Steve R.

 * SLMR 2.1a * A forgotten argument is one where both sides win.

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From: phoenixl@netcom.com (Scott Luebking)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Access in Amsterdam
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: phoenixl@netcom.com (Scott Luebking)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Index Number: 23684

Hi,

I have a conference coming up in Amsterdam and would like some
information on wheelchair accessability in the city.  If anyone
could tell me how to get some information, I would appreciate it.

Take care,
Scott Luebking

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From: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille translators
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23829

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Stew

The word processor in MegaDots in not intended to be a full-fledged
word processor. Rather it is inteded to be an environment where
braille/print file can be edited quickly.

I've pulled in many a Word Perfect, Word Star, and Microsoft Word file
into MegaDots and formatted them for braille output in record time.
Jobs that used to take me hours of coding were a snap.

Both the Duxbury and BEX were somewhat cumbersome to use. MegaDots
makes formatting much easier.

I do believe that MegaDots will be more popular with braille
producers--those persons who produce textbooks and the like should take
a serious look at it. The person who does only a bit of brailling will
certainly not need it.

Warren

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