HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:36:22 GMT
 <92210.191714RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
 <30JUL199211074219@vax2.concordia.ca>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <30JUL199211074219@vax2.concordia.ca>, debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB
CHATTERJEE) says:
>
>In article <92210.191714RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
>RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes...
>>....... (stuff deleted) ....
>
> Aside yours and others comments, there is the killer CPI(M) party who have
> been ruling the province with a `red-sword' in their hand.
>
> I think that you are one of the day-dreamers thinking of Golpark - a place
>not
> too far from the rape the CPI(M) committed a 1 and 1/2 months ago.
>
> - deb chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)

I don't know what the CPI(M) did and do not very much care, in the sense of bei
ng agitated over it,

I am also not interested in your persistent vitriolic stands and the not too am
using appellation of "good samaritan". That you are not sir!

I wish you well  but am not into prolonged exchanges of heat and no light

rajagopalan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:25852 soc.culture.pakistan:12708
From: sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (21st)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:44:09 GMT
	<dogar.711909553@opal4>
Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 23-Jul-92 Re: ISLAMIC WORLD
NEWS (21st) Haroon H. Dogar@rtsg.mot (1709)

> To say that ONLY Sikhs killed Muslims is to deny the obvious.
> You see, in Punjab, members of the same zaats are often found
> in all three religions. There are many exceptions ie. Dogars are
> only Muslim, Guptas [as far as I know] are only Hindus, etc.
> However, especially among the Jatt Zamindars, you will find 
> Muslim, Sikh, and Hindu Virks, Warraichs, Vinnings, Bajwas, Gills,
> Tiwanas, Pirachas, Chouhans, etc. Sure, the different families in
> different religions will have intermarried amongst themselves and
> are very different from the families in the other religions, but
> when you get down to it, they are aik nasl.


I remember reading somewhere (sorry, don't recall the reference) that
especially in Punjab, it was the practice, especially among the richer
folk, to raise some children as Hindus and some as Muslims during
Islamic rule, as a sort of way of protecting their assets. A similar
practice seems to have taken place during Sikh rule, when often Hindu
families would raise some of their children as Sikhs - probably because
they felt that a Sikh would have a better chance of getting access to
power centers etc. A similar pragmatic decision seems to have been made
by several Indian families under British rule particularly during the
early period upto the 1857 Mutiny/War-of-Independence, when one child
would go to the Indian ruler and one child would fight under the British
flag. :-)
Anyway, the above practice fo raising different children in different
religions probably accounts partially for the phenomenon of families of
different religions possessing the same surname in Punjab. Unfortunate,
though, that when 1947 arrived, past filial bonds were too buried in the
past and in religious animosities to play any significant role in
reducing the carnage of those years.
___
Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai
Office: UCC 181	Phone: x6406 [(412)268-6406]

 "In the beginning, man created beer, and it was good. God was
  created shortly thereafter." Gospel According to Brew, 1:1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Sholay was original...not!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:37:58 GMT

To Sthan, Nath, Sumitro, and all the rest of you who staunchly defend the 
so-called genuine nature of this obvious imitation:  Get a clue.
Before you give me the patriotic rhetoric of the Indian bandits, of Hindi
movies, and of how Shakespeare was actually from Bombay, go rent "The
Magnificient Seven," or "The Seven Samurai."  Since all of you have seen
"Sholay" 20 or 30 times each on video, I assume you have VCRs 
Some of you have jumped on the Columbus-bashing, anti-Western bandwagon by 
citing Native-killing in the one or two movies you saw a brief portion of
while you were lying on the couch, flipping through the channels, and doing
your Eastern blots for garam masala.  You may be shocked when you don't
see the US cavalry in this movie.  You may also be disappointed when, in the
heat of a gun battle, Yul Brenner does NOT stop shooting and start lip-
synching to Kishore Kumar's voice.  Nevertheless you will soon understand, if
you are capable, the movies from which "Sholay" was Xeroxed.  

Most of you bypassed the citation of "Satanic Verses," wherein Rushdie
writes that all Hindi-movie actors are obligated to do a remake of "The Mag. 7."FYI, you are allowed to own that book in the US.  

Now go do some of the background research before instinctively hitting
shift-F and soiling the screen with your groundless (and mindless) responses.

Ed
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (the_great_dictator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: More on Jingles thread....
Keywords: Best Ad-campaign, American, NYNEX YP in particular..
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:18:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I remember that there is some sort of best audio-visual  ad-campaign
of the year contest or something..it would be interesting to watch like the
grammy  or the oscar.. once i came accross such a show on TV..
does any body have any information?

On that show i still remember a nice ad made in UK for sony:
A monkey was engrossed in some classical music thru. head-phone,
coming from some sony system. There were a few bannanas lying around,
and the monkey was not even looking at them..

And also, i would like hear what people think about the nynex
yellow pages ads on TV. remmeber conducting shoes? die-casting?

If enthusiasts remember more of them, i would like to hear...
those are really smart(well, for me atleast..)...
From: sxm1210@hope.njit.edu (Srinivas Mankala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ref : Indian Baby Names List
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:31:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Hi

Can somebody E-Mail me the latest Indian Baby Names List.  I need this for

one of my friend who doesn't have access to the net.  Please E-Mail to the

following Address :    sxm1210@msaol.njit.edu

Thanks in Advance.

			* * * * * * *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: n0r1688@zeus.tamu.edu (Raghunand Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:18:00 GMT

In article <Brv027.Mv8@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T 
Narayana) writes (on whether or not the Indian POlice would be better able to 
curb terrorism with Israeli help)...

>No amount of intelligence training can help, if the fellow conducting the 
>ambush is untrained in the legalities of citizenship, even if that citizen 
>were a dreaded terrorist...


The Indian Police was created by the British to repress Indians. Since 
Independence, I doubt if the techniques used to train our police have changed
much. Should it be any wonder then, if our police continues to think that their
main function is to repress Indians ?

[On a related note, does anyone out there have rough stats on how many Indians
were among those pulling triggers at the Jallianwala Bagh `incident' ? Is this
figure mentioned in our school History Textbooks ?]

-Raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nas_ng@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov. (Naga Ganesan)
Subject: kaaNi nilam (BHARATIYAR)
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:32:51 GMT



                         kaaNi nilam
                         -----------


              kaaNi nilamveeNTum - paraacakti
                 kaaNi nilamveeNTum; - angkut
              tuuNil azhakiyataay - nanmaaTangkaL
                 tuyya niRattinataay - antak
              kaaNi nilattiTaiyee - oormaaLikai
                 kaTTit taraveeNTum; - angkuk
              keeNi yarukinilee -tennaimarak
                 kiiRRu miLaniirum,

              pattup panniraNTu - tennaimaram
                 pakkatti leeveeNum; - nalla
              muttuc cuTarpoolee - nilaavoLi
                 muNpu varaveeNum; - angkuk
              kattung kuyiloocai - caRReevantu
                 kaatiR paTaveeNum; - enRan
              cittam makizhntiTavee - naNRaayiLan
                 teNRal varaveeNum.

              paaTTuk kalantiTavee - angkeeyoru
                 pattinip peNveeNum; - engkaL
              kuuTTuk kaLiyinilee - kavitaikaL
                 koNTu taraveeNum; - antak
              kaaTTu veLiyinilee, - ammaa! ninRan
                 kaava luRaveeNum; -enRan
              paaTTut tiRattaalee - ivvaiyattaip
                 paalit tiTaveeNum.


                                  ci. cuppiramaNiya paarati.


  
This is one of the very best of Bharati's poems. At a time when Tamil
writing was harping on the ills of old age, fate, horoscopes, the 
fleeting nature of life, renunciation, etc, there comes a bright and 
youthful star proclaiming the good things in life and demands from 
Mother Goddess what all he desires in his life.

N. Ganesan
nas_ng@gese03.jsc.nasa.gov
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: n0r1688@zeus.tamu.edu (Raghunand Natarajan)
Subject: India and Artificial Turf (was re: Olympics Opening Ceremony)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.185406.15355@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, vshastry@magnus.
acs.ohio-state.edu (Vijay Shastry) writes...

>Artificial turf may be facilitate playing a fast game which naturally benefits
>the western style of playing hockey.

I beg to differ. I don't think artificial turf (AT) "naturally benefits" anyone:
it's just that "western" countries have more (to put it mildly) AT fields, and
so get a lot more practice on AT. Naturally, they are better on it than us.
I would strongly suggest to all those who've come up with knee-jerk criticisms
of the NBC fellow's comments on the unavailability of AT fields in India, to 
read a recent article in rec.sport.hockey.field: you'll find comments by
Indian officials that basically echo what the NBC guy said. You'll also find
figures that justify those comments.

>The indian style game has suffered because of this. Maybe, the federation could
>recognise two different venues - one natural grass and the other being 
>astro-turf.

Ha ha ha ha ha ! What's next.... "doodh-bhaat" for teams from poor countries ?!
Or, no, maybe we can have reserved-quota medals for India, Malaysia, and the
rest of the third-world countries ! Sure, one of the reasons why India is not 
competitive in Intl. Sport is the lack of money. But it's up to us, to do
something about it (the lack of money, i.e): mere whining isn't going to help.

The world moves on, my friend.... there's no point asking them to slow down for
us.

-Raghu

P.S: The "Title-change Police" can go screw itself.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Family values, premarital sex, etc.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.051000.12834@usl.edu> sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.184712.14620@menudo.uh.edu> nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>>	
>[deleted]
>>I know a single mother and she has done a very good job of bringing up her
>>kid. Most single parenting in the US is caused by the male spouse abdicating
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>his responsibility as a father, and not due to an external relationship by his
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>mate.
> ^^^^
>
>Hmmmm... interesting. All this talk of the male not concerning itself with
>any responsibility as a father and the mother bringing up the child 
>(or cub) to be honest, caring and hardworking (strong, good at hunting, 
>and successful at escaping), etc. reminds me of _another_ world...
>
>[deleted]
>
>--Sudhi.
>

Did you read the tale of an abdicated mother and child in sci a
few days back? Well, the mother is trying and doing her best to
survive while the father is untraceable.

S_Bala
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: US National Debt
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:13:24 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <l6tg1bINN44@oporto.cs.utexas.edu> shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee) writes:
>
>Interested in the US National Debt?  - It's $3,993, 287,737, which
>means with a population of around 250 million, each US citizen would
>have to pay around $15,000 to pay off this debt.
>
>(Note: the above snap-shot was taken at 9:10 am on July 23, 1992)
>
>In fact, you can watch this national debt rising every second using
>xdebt.  Use archie to track it down.
>
>-Shubu
>

What is this absolute waste of bandwidth doing on SCI?  It has no relevance
nor interest to India, unless you are applying for American foreign aid.
Furthermore it is devoid of educational value, unlike the discussions of
lentiviruses and the diseases they cause.

Please keep this rubbish to yourself, or alt.politics.

Ed
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:26290 soc.culture.canada:5343
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
Subject: FAMILY VALUES(was Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:21:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oeRPdbC00WBKA5tNws
	<4775@sumax.seattleu.edu>
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Arindam writes:

 
>What a prepostrous statement! What makes you think everybody who is in
>here for their education wants to live here. Sorry, you are not that
>great yet. You may be one day; but not yet. 
 

>I would like to live in a
>place where neighbours love and care for one another. 
 


What a preposterous statement! heh heh. What makes you think that there
is a significant difference in neighborly(or relatives) relations
between India  and the U.S? I have a few non-Indian friends whose
families have big get togethers every year. You go to any American 
rural area and you will notice how neighbors get along. I used to live
in Carnegie (suburb of Pittsburgh) as a kid. It is not a rural area.
Still, we used to hang out at several neighbors' houses frequently. I
had to go to India and live there with my mom. We got along great with
our relatives. But I never go to know any of my neighbors in Vijayawada
well. Even the relatives you are close to tend to drift apart when they
grow up. How many families from Madras get to know many of their
neighbors well? 

Indians in America are the worst at socializing. Many Indians don't
socialize with white Americans(except in the office and on rare
occasions). As far as black Americans are concerned, I've given up hope
on the Indian community. In fact, I don't even like the way Indians
socialize among themselves. They are more concerned  boasting about the 
college their son is going to . Many Indians in the U.S(who have a lot
of close relatives living here) never have one of those big family get
togethers on a regular basis. 
 
>Arindam
From: vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:06:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul21.220623.22676
Followup-To: vganesan@reed.edu, alt.flame
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Jul21.140951@daffy.mc.ti.com> a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri) writes:
>
>
>I just happened to scan this group out of idle curiosity.  From what I have seen,
>crawling species.  I will not retaliate or respond to scum bags.  The main purpose of
>this posting is targeted to women.  I think the best way to get at them is to IGNORE
>them.  INDIFFERENCE is the best way of dealing with irrational childish behavior.
>We can only hope that some day they will realise that all the misery and misfortune
>in the eastern parts of the world can be attributed to the unspeakable actions that

Lots of stuff deleted.

>are doomed .  They MAY scientifically progress but that does not speak much for the
>humanitarian nature of a country.

On initial perusal this post looks like a fake, another one of these
jokers who have a lot of time on their hands and an email account to
misuse.

If this is a actual post, then I pity the poster, looks like someone
forgot to grow up.

The Phoenix
-- 
  The Greatest burden in the world is to have              The Phoenix
   a great potential.                                      Reed #252
                     Linus from "Peanuts"                  Reed College
                                                         Portland, OR-97202
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:00:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: soc.cu;ture.indian
Summary: soc.culture.indian
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c


THIS IS JUST A TEST

Need to see whether this link up to wp51 works. Apologies for
taking up width.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 29 Jul 1992 11:15:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <l7b79jINN4kb@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.231053.979@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>In article <l78kk4INNs6v@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>>

There has been a lot said about the derogatory remarks made by the 
news commentator at the Olympics Opening Ceremony. Some netters are
coming to the defense of the commentator -- 
	"Oh, he made a mistake"
	"What else do you expect? He does not know any better." 
We are foolishly dealing with facts and counting the number of 
astro turfs. The whole issue is a rhetorical one. It is the style
with which the statement was made, "....but India is SUCH a poor 
nation......" that's offensive. Clearly, such a statement would
never be made about China, primarily because China is a nuclear
power with launch capability. That is the only language that the
West understands and respects. Nevertheless, it is our duty to
make noise about and complain to the TV station. The attitude,
however, will only change if it hurts their pocket book. 

				------ Satwindar Singh Sadhal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: baldwa@ondine.adobe.com (Sanjay Baldwa)
Subject: Indian mythology - "The flying Esophagus"
Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA, USA 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:47:16 GMT

This question was from a friend of mine. I don't have the slightest of
clues about this creature. If any of you know about this, please send me
mail and references.

Thanks, Sanjay

-- message begins --

	I'm trying to do some research on the "dreaded" Flying Esophagus
	in east Indian mythology and I was wondering if you happened to
	know anything or could give me reference to a good book to read.
	Ideally, I want history as well as carvings or relief paintings
	of the actual thing itself.

-- message ends --

--
baldwa@adobe.com  or  ..!decwrl!adobe!baldwa
From: bkannan@ha24.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: alt.culture.kerala (r.f.d. kinda thing)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:56:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


>   Furthermore with 100% literacy we can presume that the
>   level of discussion will be considerably above the norm
>   for alt groups in general and culture groups in particular.

>        a] The developement of the malayalam language.
                   ^^^^^
>        b] The developement of the keralite society.
                   ^^^^^

>>Ha! Hum! Let me bring the level of discussion down for a bit if I
>>might and express my mild dismay at finding the person who proposed
>>the group (with 100% literacy) unfamiliar with the spelling of
>>development. ;-)

>>George


     Paul, that was a give-away :-), :-), :-),.......

  Balaji Kannan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:29:21 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <l70ikbINN221@pollux.usc.edu> brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.201544.1204@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.185026.10827@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>>        It is a very heartening news!  Specially, in view of my  
>>>        prediction, in the wake of resumption of diplomatic ties
>>>        between the two countries, about the impending cooperation in
>>>        the domain of counter-terrorism activities.  
>>>
>>	This would indeed be good if, thru better intelligence and
>>	organization with the Israelis' help, the back of terrorism were
>>	broken, the police atrocities were stopped (in Punjab) and 
>>	the innocent civilians were spared and were free to resume 
>>	their normal lives.
>>
>>							- Nagarajan
>
>I am less sanguine that this happy ending would come about. 
>I think enlisting Israeli help is a short-sighted step. 
>

>people review their Panchatantra. (I recommend the story about
>the frog that invited a snake into the pond to devour its
>froggy enemies, with obvious long-term consequences to itself.)
>

I also recommend reading the history to see how Jaichander screwed 
up the nation by backstabbing Prithviraj. 

Its the fuc$!&* pseudo-secularists that are the backstabbers of the
day.

Ramakrishna

>
>Bapa Rao
>


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:25999 soc.culture.tamil:320
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Visa for medical doctor spouse
Summary: visa for spouse
Keywords: visa, doctor, dependent
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:13:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul26.181340.94411
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Howdy,

A friend of mine is finishing her Ph.D in Comp. Science at IITM.
She wants to apply for a post-doc position in the US.  Her husband
is a medical doctor.

If she gets a post-doc position here (and also a visa to come) how
easy will it be for her husband to join her as her dependent ?
I have heard that it is virtually impossible for anyone with a
medical degree to get a visa (unlike persons in engineering/science/arts).

If you were in a similar situation I would really appreciate any
helpful feedback.  (If there is anyone else interested in this issue,
please feel free to send me e-mail; I will pass on any responses that
I get.)

Thanks a lot!

Ramli.

PS: Please send your response to: ramli@orca.ele.uri.edu





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From: polina@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (SIVARAMAKRISHNA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ANY NEWS ABOUT NTR'S LATEST MOVIE "SAMRAT ASHOK"????
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:56:13 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens
Originator: polina@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Hai folks,

Can somebody send me info. about NTR's latest movie "Samrat Ashok", which
was released on May 28th?

Hope to get an early response.

bye
sivaram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil