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From: glen@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Glen Sonnenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Two questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:57:32 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

I have to pressing questions about a couple of players I drafted in a
fantasy football league.  First,  How bad was Steve Atwater's injury
last week and how long will he be out?  Second, Did Scott Norwood sign
with anyone and if not is he going to this year?  Thanks in advance.
Hasta.
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City)
Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:05:53 GMT

In article <sdzpb9qm@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
>Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
>Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:40:21 GMT

>In article <1992Sep2.172245.9973@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.144742.23800@gvl.unisys.com>, stevel@gvlf9-g.gvl.unisys.com (Steve Loomis) writes:
>>|>
>>|>     The last word I had on bavarro was that he was expected not to
>>|>     make the team. I have not seen anything to back this up in the
>>|>     papers over the last several days.
>>...

>This is good news. I'm sure I wasn't the only person disgusted by the way the
>Giants treated him...

Being a Giants fan, I totally agree!  I was disgusted and PISSED!

I watched 
Bavaro play in the Browns/Giants pre-season.  How the HELL could they have 
let him go!  I think they took the word of the Giants doctors that it was 
unlikely he would get full mobility back.

Major shame, not to mention I'm sure he would come back to haunt the giants 
if they were to play the browns again, but alas that will not come to pass...

Go Giants!
Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
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From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PATRICK FERREL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Speaking of tight ends...
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


One of the main jobs of the Field Judge is to watch the tight end.  I wonder
what he does during a game between Houston and Atlanta.  =)

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From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins suck? Not on your life!
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <31AUG199215411905@rigel.tamu.edu>, mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes...
> 
>	The title speaks for itself, and I'm a Cowboy fan.
> 
>	No matter what the Redskins' pre-season record is, or what
>	the score in the Minnesota game was, Washington has a damn good
>	team. So what if they lost 30-0? I know damn well that Joe Gibbs
>	doesn't care that much about losing the game. He's worried about
>	the game next Monday night, and the Redskins didn't exactly
>	work all of last week in feverish preparations for Minnesota.
>	Jimmy Johnson didn't lose sleep preparing for the Bears,
>	either.
> 
>	Winning coaches, like Johnson and Gibbs, have no pressure
>	to win in preseason, nor do they have to play their first
>	string much. They use the preseason to evaluate players
>	and test new sets, rather than accumlate W's.
>	
>	Coaches of losing teams, on the other hand, are under pressure
>	to win. New head coaches need give more time to the starters so they
>	can find out what kind of team they've been put in charge of.
>	The new head coach of a losing team, well, you know...
>	
> 	The real Redskins, and the real Cowboys, don't show up until
>	next Monday night.

>     Mitchell S Todd

Bravo Mitchell, as a Bills fan I don't like another Redskin team victory.
but it will happen, I'm afraid!
ON WITH THE GAMES!!!!!!
T. Mac
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Address request
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:23:41 GMT

rjk@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Raymond K) writes:
>[...] you don't know your butt from a beachball, but are ready
>to tell everybody else what they should and shouldn't be doing.

Well, Ray, at least it looks like your kids won't be surprised when
they hear foul language in the "real" world.

Take care,

--Gidi



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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Broncos roster moves
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:22:34 GMT

In article <16855C05F.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
 
>
>They picked up:
>FB ??? Pritchard          <------ From Houston.  I never heard of him.
>
I got the name of the player wrong.  It is not Pritchard, but it was a
fullback from Houston.
 
Jim McMaster
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: games changing in history, question??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:28:00 GMT

In article <9209021340.AA06380@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk.cwm01>, coombes@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombe writes...
> 
>So apart from the obvious fact that having the Pats visit town
>is a potentially rather hazardous exercise, does any one remember 
>any other game time or venue changes, especially this late in the 
>year???.
> 
Certainly. The games in 1990 involving the Bengals and Oilers were switched 
since the Reds were playing in either the NLCS or the World Series. 
Consequently, the Houston team had the fun of coming to Cinci in December and 
was necessarily demolished. That was also the game where Moon injured his 
finger by hitting James Francis causing Cody Carlson to have to start game 16 
and the playoff game in Cinci for them.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: Christian Okoye Status?
Originator: delarocq@c00082-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:04:23 GMT




  Christian Okoye signed last Sunday (August 23rd).

  He's ready to go!


  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: koski@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Koski )
Subject: Re: Lion backup RB's???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:10:27 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.170544.1738@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:


>   >>Who are the Lions going to use at running back besides Barry? With Dozier
>   >>playing baseball I see that they cut their 11th round pick Tillison. He was
>   >>the last guy I had heard of on the roster. Are they planning on picking 
>   >>someone else up or or they set with what they have? (And who do they have?)

>   >Last year they had some guy named Overton.  Don't know if he got cut or not
>    though.
>   >nate

>   Overton was signed by the Eagles via plan B. He didnt even survive the cut
>   to 60. I dont know where he is now...

>I just read that Tillison was cut.  Is there *anybody* behind Barry?

	The Lions picked Don Overton back up off the waiver wire, and he
played (very well, except for a fumble) against Cincinnati Friday night.
If I remember correctly, he ran for something like 71 yards on 11 carries
in the first half (Sanders did not play a down--I guess Fontes did not
want a replay of last year where Barry bruised his ribs in the final
preseason game and had to sit out the season-opening shellacking at
Washington).  Overton was NOT among those in the final cut;  Ed Tillison 
was.  Suppose that makes him Sanders' backup???

Jeff

PS:  I forgot to mention Overton's 20-yd TD run, where he made a change of 
direction run that looked like it was taken from Sanders' playbook
(although run in slow motion :-).


>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
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>	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Organization: Abode Computer Services
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:37:00 GMT

In article <21063@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>>
>>So, what should Dallas get for Novacek.  His status as a veteran makes him 
>>worth less considering that free agency is just around the corner.  He would 
>>be eligible in its first year.  Still, I think that Novacek is worth a
>>#1 and a #3. 
>
>This is SO stupid I will not even think about responding - i am sure
>someone else would.  Oh, you meant the #1 and #3 special at McDonalds,
>right?  I see.  
>
>What's next?  Novachek to the Chiefs for Derrick Thomas, right?

Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.

Eric


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:03:54 GMT

   <stuff deleted>

>>>So, what should Dallas get for Novacek.  His status as a veteran makes him 
>>>worth less considering that free agency is just around the corner.  He would 
>>>be eligible in its first year.  Still, I think that Novacek is worth a
>>>#1 and a #3. 
>>
>>This is SO stupid I will not even think about responding - i am sure
>>someone else would.  Oh, you meant the #1 and #3 special at McDonalds,
>>right?  I see.  
>>
>>What's next?  Novachek to the Chiefs for Derrick Thomas, right?
>
>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>
   He's not a Cowboy basher, he just knows football. TEs that can catch are
   a dime a dozen. It's all how they're used in the offense. Put Packer
   backup Jackie Harris in Dallas and he'd be a Pro-Bowler too.

   --salty



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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: NFL Rosters...USUALLY FOUND in USA TODAY of 9/4
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.023506.13895@news2.cis.umn.edu> khansen@epx.cis.umn.edu () writes:
>Could someone please post (or tell me where to find) a current list of NFL
>rosters?  I would like both offense and defense if possible.
>
	It AINT READY YET!

	Thats right Sports fans...if History repeats itself
	the USA TODAY Weekend Edition before of the First week
	of NFL will have the Full rosters.

	So spend the .50$ (we pay $.75) so we call it USA YESTERDAY.

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From: mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Subject: Redskins suck? Not on your life!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Applied Upyerstemmatey Corp
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:41:00 GMT

	The title speaks for itself, and I'm a Cowboy fan.

	No matter what the Redskins' pre-season record is, or what
	the score in the Minnesota game was, Washington has a damn good
	team. So what if they lost 30-0? I know damn well that Joe Gibbs
	doesn't care that much about losing the game. He's worried about
	the game next Monday night, and the Redskins didn't exactly
	work all of last week in feverish preparations for Minnesota.
	Jimmy Johnson didn't lose sleep preparing for the Bears,
	either.

	Winning coaches, like Johnson and Gibbs, have no pressure
	to win in preseason, nor do they have to play their first
	string much. They use the preseason to evaluate players
	and test new sets, rather than accumlate W's.
	
	Coaches of losing teams, on the other hand, are under pressure
	to win. New head coaches need give more time to the starters so they
	can find out what kind of team they've been put in charge of.
	The new head coach of a losing team, well, you know...
	
 	The real Redskins, and the real Cowboys, don't show up until
	next Monday night.
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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Re: Lions trade rumor (sort of)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 29 Aug 1992 15:42 EDT  

Bob Baskins writes...
> 
>Read in the Free Press yesterday an interesting trade rumor involving
>the Lions.  The paper claimed that the Eagles offered Keith Jackson
>to the Lions for Jerry Ball.  Ball heard about the rumor, and jokingly
>asked Wayne Fontes about it.  Fontes replied that it would have to
>be a package deal, bacause he (Fontes) would go with him (Ball).
> 
>The offer from Philly seemed to be genuine, but the paper made it sound
>as if nobody from the Lions took it too seriously.  Although, Ball's
>contract is coming up again next year...

Hey, a guy who actually has access to Detroit papers posting about
the Lions!  Things are looking up.  That would be a stupid trade
and the Lions would never make it.  You do not trade a dominating
defensive lineman for a tight end.  Besides, we've already had our
great trade this week, the Hilgenberg deal.

Ron
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay: status of Ron Hall??
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:01:11 GMT

In article <19869@fritz.filenet.com> bieber@fritz.filenet.com (Douglas Bieber) writes:
>What is the status of Ron Hall?  I had heard that
>he was injured?  If he is injured, what is his
>expected return?  thanks.
>

Ron is scheduled to start against the Cardinals and is not being reported
as being injured.
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From: stretz@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Stretz)
Subject: Re: Stupid Houston releases Bailey
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:56:47 GMT

In article <21417@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.144325.12123@u.washington.edu> les@redx.washington.edu (Les Pennington) writes:
>>Houston released Mario Bailey, 1st team All American wide receiver from U
>>of Washington, ....
>
>Yes, Bailey, the same Bailey silly Husky fans said was the steal of
>the draft.  Hmmm, released.  Doesn't look like a steal to me.
>
>
>--dave

Bailey cleared waivers and was recalled by Houston to be placed on
the practice squad.

Rob
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:17:07 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug31.144338.15246@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>In article <5f0R03gv72O600@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>This is just plain BS. Herschel averaged more than 4 yards per carry last
>>year and I believe he did so throughout his tenure at the Metrodomw. This would 
>	You didnt have to go see this guy play, and lose games for your team.
>	He fumbled on more than one critical play, and I saw him stopped 3
>	times one game on 1st & goal on the 1. He did not hit holes hard,
>	he looked like he was scared to get hurt. Maybe I am bitter at the
>	loss, but this guy did not seem to have any heart.

Well, I dunno... in his first few games in Minnesota, he tore up the place. 
Led them into the playoffs and had 50+ yards in the first quarter against 
49ers in the playoffs that first year. Of course, he did not carry the ball 
again until they were down by 23 but hey, that Burnsey was a smart guy, right?
But down here we kept reading that the other stars were unhappy with the 
attention he was getting, the refocus of the offense and all that jazz. I think
Herschel just plain got his feelings hurt by all that bullshit (He's a 
sensitive guy, you know ) and basically stopped trying so damned hard... 
Nobody appreciated it anyway! 

>
>>sympathy here. Check the stats.. Herschel gave you guys better than 4 yards 
>>per carry which, given the shitty play-calling and offensive scheme Burnsy 
>>set forth.. if probably pretty damn good. 
>>
>
>	Very true about not being used properly though. Wish it could have
>	been different, but I think the Vikigns are a better team without him
>	now. Allen & Craig will fill in nicely.

This is a good point. Given the bad blood, I don't think Herschel and the 
Vikes were ever going to make a happy marriage... 

-- 
Ronnie
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Redsking Trade for Huey Richarson(?)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:17:22 GMT

The Redskins traded a future draft pick (I think the 7th) for Steeler
LB Huey Richardson.  I don't have the paper with me so I hope I have
the name right.  He was the Steelers 1991 first round pick.  He played
DE in college.  Evidently, the Redskins liked him in college (3 time
academic All-American).  He's supposedly 6'5", 240 lbs., and runs the
40 in 4.8 seconds.  He only played 5 games for Pittsburgh before
getting hurt; then lost his starting job.  Pittsburgh called him the
worst first round pick they'd made in 25 years.  Casserly says he's a
"complete package" and called the trade a "no brainer" and said that 
Richardson will be a "project," which means they don't expect him to 
contribute to the defense immediately.  May use him on special teams, 
though.

It's still unclear who the Redskins will cut to make room for him.
Spectulation is that it will be someone on offense, probably a WR or
TE -- since the Skins are carrying 5 people at each of those two
positions.

Anybody know anything about this guy?

schalene
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana asks to be traded (was Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:53:53 GMT
 <tokuno.715282398@milton> <1992Sep2.182033.5519@coopsol.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep2.182033.5519@coopsol.com>, gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon
Storga) says:
>Just heard on the local radio station:  Montana is very upset about being
>put on IR for the first 4 weeks.  He has publically suggested that the
>9ers trade him to a team where he can play.  That's all I heard so far.

     Nope, this was just a rumor.  The comment supposedly was originally
borne during a sit-down talk with Carmen Policy a couple of days ago, and
the trade announcement caught Policy by surprise.  Yesterday he talked
again to Joe to find out if he had misunderstood something, but Joe
assured him that he has no desire to be traded this year.  Of course, next
year may be a different issue...
     Roughly paraphrased from last night's Examiner.

Brett
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: signings, holdouts
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:46:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>The following unsigned players or holdouts came to term with their
>>teams in the last couple of days:
>>
>>Jerry Rice       49ers
>>Carl Banks       Giants
>>Jim Lachey       Redskins
>>Darrell Green    Redskins
>>Desmond Howard   Redskins
>>Toi Cook         Saints
>>
Not that they're significant but they ARE unsigned:
Keith McKellar TE  Bills
Kirby Jackson CB   Bills

and I'm almost positive A. Rison is waiting for PRIMETIME to
make up his mind before SHOWTIME shows up!
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:35:06 -0400 
From: "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NFC Superbowl Streak
Distribution: na

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 24-Aug-92 NFC Superbowl
Streak Harsh Potlapalli@eceris. (379)

> The NFC has won the last 8 SBs and 9 of the last 10 (?).  And it looks like 
> the NFC will win the '93 SB also. Anyone care to guess which unfortunate NFC 
> team will have to bear the onus for ending the streak? Also, how about which 
> year this is going to happen? I am pulling for Minnesota so they can be the 
> only NFL team to lose 5 SBs :). 

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 24-Aug-92 Re: NFC
Superbowl Streak DERRELL E. LAROCQUE@eos. (823)

>     A GREAT WISH:

>      
>       1993: Philadelphia loses to Buffalo to break the streak.

Hmmm....a friend of mine made a suggestion that the NFC east should get
the Bills and Phoenix could be dropped.  That way you could watch the
super bowl every week :-)

	joe
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Maury Buford: Bears release
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:02:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 19164@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
>In <Btp7Ao.3p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John D. Mraz) writes:
>
>
>This sounds like the stupidest deal the Bears have
>ever pulled off. $50K ?!?!? Wasn't Hilgenberg an 
>all-pro for like 5-6 years? 

I don't know if I beleive Jay.  1 week ago,  his agent said that
the Bears should go to 850K, which the Bears met.  Zucker (the agent)
told the radio that he felt  the deal was done.  Jay rejected 
that deal & upped the minimum.  It is very possible that the 50K
figure was a negotiating ploy.



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