From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:18:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center

In article <C1H67L.JF9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) wrote:
> 
> In article <C1Fr0p.r82@austin.ibm.com> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
> >In article <C1F7Cv.Dsy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
> >>In article <roop-250193094144@karen.swarthmore.edu> roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
> >>>In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
> >>>Little) wrote:
> >>>
> >>><Stuff Deleted>
> >>>
> >>>If your not a reputible breeder (one with many years of proven experience)
> >>>- SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PET.  
> >>>
> >>
> >>Only one problem... To become a reputible breeder with "many years of 
> >>proven experience" you have to either breed a lot of dogs
> >No. experience comes with working with current masters of breeding. Work
> >with such people and they can provide hands-on experience (after all
> >they appreciate a helping hand now and then). 
> >s
> 
> Yes that too, but you stil have to BREED the dogs.  Not every pup ends up a
> show dog.  Yes I know about working with current established breeders, but they in 
> turn must breed dogs in order to contine their work and "hands-on experience".
> The point is, you will have to breed in order to gain experience and to
> gain more experience and to become even better at judging your breed you
> need both to  study a lot of materials and
> test your breeding approaches through breeding.
> Sometimes your research leads you to the "perfect breeing" only to result in a       
> litter of all pet quality dogs.  It happens, not intentially, but it does happen.
> As a result you have just contributed to the pet over-population by
> getting a litter that  you can not show and need to place in pet homes.
> The responsible breeder will place every pup in that litter on spay-neuter 
> contracts and not repeat that breeding.  Sometimes champions come from the
> most unexpected places like a pet-quality dogs with a very sound and complete
> backgroud where their Champion litter mates only produce average quality pups.
> 
What I was referring to are not "responsible" breeders, but ones that breed
for the big buck $$$$ and  irresponsible breeding due to the "average joe
or jane" who doesn't spay their female and the dog gets loose and "slam bam
thankyou mam" you have a litter of puppies!!!!  Oh, and lets not forget the
dreaded preconceived notion that your doing the female psychological damage
if she doesn't have a litter before she is spayed.   And my favorite, "I
just want her to have one litter before we spay her so that little Johnny
or Janie can experience birth".  Aughhhhhhh!!!!!!


> >>Yes, there are, but you will find that almost all those
> >>in shelterrs come from "DIS-reputable breeders".
> >>(Meaning, if you don't care that your puppies end up in
> >>shelters down the line -- you are a disreputable breeder
> >>ain my opinion.)
> >Regardless whose more at fault (owners or breeders), both problem
> >sources need to change because both produce so much wasted lives.

We get alot of pure bred dogs in the shelter and usually, if not adopted,
turn them over to Rescue Groups.  I put some of the blame on the owners for
the fact that they did not contact the breeder first before turning them
into the shelter.  Most if not all responsible breeders will take their
dogs back if the owners can't keep them.  And if they can't find a suitable
home will work with a rescue group to locate one.  Alot comes out of
ignorance and "they didn't know what to do".   This is based on my
experience!  Yes, both sources need clarification and change.  Yes, alot of
lives are wasted due to ignorance and irresponsibility.


> Hope I have corrected what was probably not the written in the best way.
> I have a tendence to rush my writing between classes.  Keep reading my posts and you will see 
> that my opionions are made from some experience.
> ------
> Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
> Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
> Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
> Legend's Year of Jubilee S&W collie

Yes, and I'm sorry that I wasn't clear on my original post.  I made a very
generic statement without an explanation.  Sorry!

Karen

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Karen V. Roop
Swarthmore College Computing Center
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