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From: Brian W. Keller <keller.4@osu.edu>
Subject: Crash in Illinois
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 07:57:14 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:52:58 GMT

I went looking for information on the crash and found this.  It really
has been a tough year.

Brian Keller  A-12901

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Article: 2097 of acs.clari.news.aviation
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups:
acs.clari.news.aviation,acs.clari.local.illinois,acs.clari.local.louisi
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Subject: Twin-engine plane crash kills 12
Keywords: aviation problems, trouble
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:31:33 GMT
Note: (complete writethru -- 11 victims, hometowns identified)


	HINCKLEY, Ill. (UPI) -- A twin-engine plane carrying members of a sky
diving club crashed in a soybean field Monday near the rural community
of Hinckley, killing 12 people, officials said.
	``(The plane) was coming from the east going west, and just went down
into the bean field and exploded,'' DeKalb County Sheriff Roger Scott
said.
	The Beechcraft B-18 took off about 12:43 p.m. and went down in a
soybean field about 1 mile north of Hinckley, a rural community 50 miles
west of Chicago.
	Scott said there apparently were no distress calls before the plane
lost power and crashed into the field shortly after takeoff.
	``We noticed the plane was awful low,'' said witness Stephen Lee, who
said he, his wife and children noticed the aircraft ``gliding side to
side a tiny bit'' before it went down.
	``The left wing hit the ground, the plane flipped over and burst into
flames,'' Lee said. ``The plane was immediately engulfed in flames from
front to back.''
	Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Mort Edelstein said
eyewitnesses reported two explosions, but could not confirm the reports.
	The DeKalb County Coroner's Office reported there were no survivors
in the crash.
	The sky divers were members of Hinckley Parachute, a group
headquartered at Hinckley Airport.
	The victims were described as four tandem masters, four students --
including three first-time jumpers and one three-time jumper -- two
photographers and two pilots.
	DeKalb County Coroner Dennis Miller identified the Illinois victims
as Ron Harris of Spring Valley, Rick Olchivck of Cicero, Chris Daron of
Naperville, Ed Baron of Dekalb, pilot Jim Mahr, Bill Davidson and Glenn
Holden, all of Chicago.
	Three victims were from Indiana: Don Anderson, John Murphy and Matt
Bailey. Another victim, William Bayne, was from Maryland, Miller said.
	The 12th victim's name was being withheld pending notification of
relatives.
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: HELP: Things to consider when buying a hand altimeter?
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:36:27 GMT

In article <BuDv80.2wE@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:
>At my original dz, we have figured out a unique place for the
>mounting of altimeters.  You need to make a little crush mount
>for it (not unlike a chest mount) and then mount it on your "mud-flap."
>Your mud-flag is the little piece of fabric that is found just under
>the large ring of the 3-ring release mechanism (it is on my vector).

	Unique, I don't think so...seen it lot's of places.  However, it is another
option for those for which it is viable.  Another interesting permanent
mounting place I have seen a few times is on or near the where the main lift
web meets the lateral; I guess you'd call it a "hip mount" :-)

	These are all of the altimeter mounting positions I've seen in regular use:

			Chest
			Mud Flap
			Wrist/Hand
			Hip
			None!

	Does anyone have any others they've seen?  No joke positions allowed, it has
to be in regular use by at 1 person.  Personally, I always wanted a miniature
-in-the-goggle readout, but I love electronic toys, although I haven't
purchased a digital altimeter yet.

Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com)
D-13279
From:  (wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: dreams
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202747.15762@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
> 


A freind of mine and I have both had the same kind of dream:  They say that you never land in a "falling"
dream, well....WRONG!!  She and I are the one's that you all keep seeing burn it in.  But not to worry,
we get up, dust off and walk back to the DZ.  Kind of shakes you up the first time, but you get used to it.

This week was different, I pulled at about 500 and had a partial malfunction.  But again, walked back 
just fine.  


Reality has been harder...I have limped back from at least one landing (5 stiches).


Jim   A-12602
From: fbm@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Farrell McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: U.S. Nationals; what's happenning?
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:04:05 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

My sources lead me to believe that the U.S. Nationals
Competition finished last weekend.  Is this right?

If so, would some kind soul please post the
scores/results/teams info for all of us to mull over.

Blue skies,
Farrell.
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com (Rob Wheeler)
Subject: Re: HELP: Things to consider when buying a hand altimeter?
Reply-To: rwheeler@pa.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:34:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.153627.27363@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com>, traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com writes:
>	Unique, I don't think so...seen it lot's of places.  However, it is another
|>option for those for which it is viable.  Another interesting permanent
|>mounting place I have seen a few times is on or near the where the main lift
|>web meets the lateral; I guess you'd call it a "hip mount" :-)

The Golden Knights use this method.  I'm not really sure that any of them ever actually look at their
altimeters though.  I think a lot of the top competition teams rely on audible altimeters.  When
Deland Vertical Speed was in Davis they didn't even wear visual altimeters, they just used dytters.
Their comment was looking at an altimeter was too distracting.

As for their packer, she is not making a killing (as the "dude" suggested).  I asked, and she only
gets 3 bucks a rig.  Other packers at the drop zone are making 5 and 6 dollars per rig.  I'll stick
to my day job thank you.

-R
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: kathy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kathleen.e.mckernan)
Subject: Re: Hinckley sky diving loses a twin Beech
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:51:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.225515.15211@novell.com> barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall) writes:
>Update on the Hinckley crash from rec.aviation:
>
>In rec.aviation rmiller@i88.isc.com (Richard J. Miller) writes:
>
>>Hinckley Sky Diving lost a twin Beech D-18 with 12 on board (11 divers,
>>one pilot, all killed) on September 7 (Labor Day holiday in the US)
>
>>news reports including an interview with a witness makes it look like he
>>lost the left engine between 300 and 900 feet after takeoff, was able
>>to line up for a landing in a bean field, but then got too slow on the
>>approach and cartwheeled. then it burned. they never got high enough
>>to use the chutes. newspaper and TV pictures show the aircraft in a
>>vertical position, but the witnesses have indicated that he was in a
>>landing attitude before impact, but was slow.
>

Please take those "eye wittness" accounts with a grain of salt.
The towns-people of Hinckley did the best they could to tell
authorities what they had seen.  (One woman told authorities
she was glad it was only a crop duster, probably only carrying
the pilot.)  The bean field where the plane touched down is
about 4 miles from the drop zone so no skydivers saw the 
accident and the pilot did not call back to the tower in Aurora.

What I can tell you is that the plane came to rest on its belly
*into* the line of flight.  Apparently (from the FAA with
the help of witnesses) the plane started to roll, the right wing 
caught the  ground, then the nose, then it flipped over leaving the
tail where you see it in the pictures.

I'll post any factual information I get from the drop zone.

Blue skies,

Kathy McKernan
kem@iexist.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: Re: Looking for pictures of formations
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:59:26 GMT
X-Posted-From: hal.avs.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hiroto Shibuya (shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com) wrote:
: In article fbm@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Farrell McKay) writes:
: 
: >   Hmmmm .... thinking a bit more about this .... simple black and
: >   white images would be a good way of sharing ideas about good
: >   formations/jumps to do.  Or even to see what the shape of the
: >   latest 225-way blob was like.  Or even .... sorry, just thinking
: >   out loud here.
: 
: I want to go even further.  I want to have electric representation of
: sequetial RW which contains all the essential abstraction which define
: a whole skydive, including all the grips, angles, transition between
: points, targetings, keys.  I want to have a dive editor where I can
: electronically engineer a dive and animate it.  Further, calculate all
: the translational and rotational motions/accelerations of the
: transitions and generate optimum dive plan.  Oh also I like to have 3D
: human figures and all the possible jump plane door model for exit
: engineering....  (Could anybody tell me exact dimension of King Air
: door?)
: 
H-man,
	Sounds cool!  When will you be done with this program?  I'll
volunteer to "beta" test it!

					Joe Peterson
					D-13839
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 19:49:49 CDT
From: <U14663@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Hinkley

Does anyone know what happened at Hinkley(?), Illinois today?
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Another question...
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:23:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.082756.12797@news.cs.brandeis.edu> arevalo@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>#6 I've heard terrible things about food in England. What is
>   good to eat? Besides McDonalds.....

Buy a "Good Pub Guide" if you want to eat cheaply and well.  Pubs have
some of the best (and worst) inexpensive food in England.  Some Indian
places are good and cheap.  Expensive food is often wonderful, but
costs twice as much as comparable quality food in France or even
California.  The English don't seem to eat out much, and a lot of
restaurants charge expense-account prices to gouge the Japanese, Arab,
and German business travelers (Americans don't have enough money
anymore). 

>#8 What's the weather in England, Spain, and France like in
>   November? Should I bring sweaters and winter stuff??

England is rather cold and often damp (not freezing, but highs in the
40s and 50s); in November it will get dark early.  Take a raincoat and
several layers of sweaters and you will be comfortable.  France is
likely to be a bit warmer (but could be quite cold); Spain almost
certainly will be warmer than England).  Layering is the answer--add
or subtract as necessary.  I always carry gloves and an umbrella.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: judith@super.org (Judith D. Schlesinger)
Subject: Need Info on Travel to Africa
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:19:53 GMT

Hi--

Unlike the people who are leaving in two days and frantically need
information, I'm posting this request with *lots* of lead time.
But, we're going into the planning stages now, so any advise would
be greatly appreciated.

Here are the facts:

A friend and I are planning a trip to Africa in Fall, 1993.  We'd
really like some advise on what are the best places to visit.  We'll
have about 3-3.5 weeks for the trip and are looking at safari (camera
not hunting) types of things.  Climbing Kilamanjaro, seeing the 
mountain gorillas, all that type of stuff is what we are looking for.

Any suggestions on which countries/national parks/locations, outfitters
either here in the US, in Africa, or elsewhere, or any other information
you could offer would really be helpful.  Please send responses by
e-mail to judith@super.org.

Thanks in advance for the help--

Judith
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel to New Zealand
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:37:22 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
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Jayaram Ramanathan (ramanath+@pitt.edu) wrote:
>I'm planning on visiting New Zealand for about 2 weeks this December, and
>would like to obtain some information that would be useful for this trip:
>
>1. Cheap deals on airfares between the U.S. and New Zealand.
>2. Deals on accomodation and travel in New Zealand - I plan on
>   being in and around Auckland.
>3. Tips on things not to be missed, and general info on weather
>   conditions in December.
>4. Any other points that you may consider important.

In all seriousness if you want to see N.Z. 'in and around Auckland' isn't
the way to do it. It shouldn't cost too much to move around a little, and
just remember, if you stay in the North Island, you haven't even been to the
Mainland.

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From: siri@softwords.bc.ca (Siri Ming)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: qx: best current malaria pills?
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:56:18 GMT
Organization: Softwords

As a previous poster noted, there are a number of areas in which there
are chloroquine resistant strains of malaria.

I was advised to go on Lariam (mefloquine) the first time I went to
Nigeria (last Christmas) -- this is still an experimental drug in
Canada, so you may not be able to get it from any doctor/pharmacy.
However, the side effects I experienced were *awful* (I kept feeling
like I was going to pass out), so I decided to try something else on
my last trip.  The embassy doctors in Lagos were still recommending
a combination of chloroquine, pyrimethamine, and dapsone, so that's
what I used, and I haven't yet got malaria or any horrible side effects...
(but I've only been back two weeks -- you never can tell!)  

In any case, IAMAT (I think that's what it's called -- an international
medical thing for travellers) has some really good info on the different
strains of malaria, malaria prevention, and malaria drugs -- ask at
your local public health clinic.  If your doctor recommends low doses
of an antibiotic (can't remember the name of the one my sister's dr.
recommended), get a second opinion.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tommy@isy.liu.se (Tommy Svensson)
Subject: Trekking in Nepal
Reply-To: tommy@isy.liu.se (Tommy Svensson)
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:43:00 GMT

I and my girlfriend will visit Nepal in October and since we never
been there before I have a lots of questions, which I hope the
readers of this newsgroup can answer.

1. What are your opinions of the various trekking routes?
   Can anyone recommend a short (7-10 days) but interesting trek?
   We have heard of the Pokhara-Jomsom route, the Ghorepani/Ghandrung
   route, the Langtang route and the Helambu route.
   How long do they take? How difficult are they?

2. Which way is the best to enjoy the trek - walk alone and stay in
   lodges or hire a guide etc. and stay in tents?
   Is it safe to walk alone?
   Can you hire a guide only and stay in lodges, or do you have to
   have a cook and bearers and tents and everything?
   How much does it cost to hire a guide only/a complete "expedition"?
   Is it "crowded" on some of the routes in October? Can the lodges
   be fully booked? Do you need to bring a tent in case?

3. Can you walk one way on the Jomsom trek and fly the other?
   Is it better to walk up/fly back or vice versa?
   Can you rely on the planes to go on schedule in October?
   Are the planes all booked up at that time?
   Should one walk from Pokhara or take a bus the first part?

4. Can it be difficult to arrange the trek in Kathmandu at high
   season (October)? How long time does it take? Can you always rent
   everything (sleeping bags etc.) and hire a guide?
   Are all trekking agencies reliable? Do you need some ensurance
   if you hire a guide etc. in case some accident happens?

5. Is it useful to have a visa in advance or could you as well
   arrange it when you get the trekking permit?

6. Do you have any info about the Chitwan national park (where
   to go, where to stay, what to do and see). Is it expensive
   to go there (for say three days)?
   Is it difficult to find a hotel/lodge in October?

7. Is the sightseeing tour by aircraft (Royal Nepal Airlines)
   in the Himalaya worthwile?

8. What chemical water treatment do you recommend (in case you
   can't boil the water)? Is it easy to buy bottled water on
   the routes above?

9. What are your experience with diseases and indigestion? Do
   you have some advice (beside not drinking the water and only
   eat well cooked food)?

Thanks in advance!

Tommy
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel to New Zealand
From: S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:54:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Come at the end of Dec. and enjoy the Cricket Series against Pakistan.
There is one day international in Aukland. One test match one hour away
drive from Aukland. What more you need? USA$ is very strong against NZ$.
So do not worry. Bring condoms with you as the same are quite expensive
here.
Ghazanfar Massey University
From: dang@njmsa.umdnj.edu (Anju Dang)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel to Paris.  Need Lodging and other info
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:50:07 GMT
Distribution: all

Hi there!

I am planning to visit paris at the end of oct with my wife.  I would 
appreciate any info on:

     - cheap lodgings in the city 

     - what to see and what not to see in 3 days.

Thanks for all responses.




Mukesh Dang

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From: deduck@hri.com (Andrea Deduck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hale Kai O Kona condos in Hawaii- anyone familiar?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: deduck@hri.Com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


My family and I are planning a group vacation to Hawaii next spring and
one of the places we are considering is a four-bedroom townhouse at the 
Hale Kai O Kana condos on the big island. This is a very small complex
(nine units).
Needless to say, none of the guide-books have a write-up on this place so the
rental agent is our only source of info. I'm posting on the off-chance that
someone on the net may have stayed here or is otherwise familiar with
the place.
If so, I'd appreciate any opinions (is it well maintained and
furnished?, spacious
enough for 6-7 adults?, in a quiet area?).

A second place under consideration is a three-bedroom condo at Kanaloa
at Kona. Any
opinions on this complex would also be very welcome.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Re: Another question...
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:23:52 GMT

Hi, here are some answers to your questions:
#1 Contact the American Youth Hostel Assoc. (or Intl. YHA) -not YMCA- in New
   York, they sell the 'Youth Hostel Guide: Vol x,Europe'. If not check the
   bookstores, if you come it is a MUST to have this.
#2 Overnight costs are in the range from $6- to $20- depending on country,
   facilities, etc.
#3 Buy toilettries here in Europe if you like, these things are NOT provided
   in the youth hostels.
#5 For money exchange only one certain answer: shop around, sometimes bank have
   worse exchange rates, sometimes the best...
#6 There is a wide variety of restaurants and food places (or grocery stores)
   in London. And rememember not to expect home-cooking in any place.
#7 To a Youth Hostel you must bring a Youth Hostel Card (contact your assoc.)
   toilettries (towel,soap,shampoo,etc...), sheets (you can rent them but if
   you want to save money bring them), a lock, a money belt to keep your 
   passport and documents with you even in your sleep (when there are no 
   lockers available).
#8 In November it can be a bit chilly here in the North, I say a pullover and
   a Jacket (Spring type) is o.k. some undershirts just in case...But once I
   was in London in November and only a Jacket (Jeans type) was sufficient.

   Enjoy your holidays, hopefully this will give you a better idea.
		       Emilio 



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Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel,rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: sdeepak@hubcap.clemson.edu (shankar deepak)
Subject: info on travel agent
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:39:52 GMT

Hi guys
	I spoke to a travel agent in Colorado by the name of Elliots
Travel. He has offered me  a good deal on tickets to India. I want to know whether any of you have any experiences dealing with. I would be
grateful if you could provide me any info on his reliability.

Thanx
Deepak
e-mail:sdeepak@eng.clemson.edu
	sdeepak@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au (Cathy Ewald)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: leg cramps on long flights
Keywords: leg cramps , travel
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au

I have a relative who suffers leg cramps on long flights (eg U.K to
Australia). Any tips on how to avoid or relieve these ?
Please reply by email to me.
Thanks,
Cathy
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