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From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Seedings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:31:32 -0500

In <9204072133.AA13050@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> ST403070@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Guy Beadie) writes:


>it seems to be the only objective way out of the dilemma.  Certainly the
>two most important stats would be turnovers committed and turnovers
>caused (how many times was the disc thrown away/dropped and how many
>D-blocks).

What you're saying, here, is that # of turnovers committed (throwaways) and
# of turnovers caused (blocks) is largely independent of the quality of the 
opposing team.  The second one is clearly false, IMHO, and is no more
accurate to compare games between non-common opponents than something like
points scored.  The first is interesting; I'm not sure if it's true or
not.  There is some rudimentary stat-keeping for important games - I'd be
interested to see if the traditionally weak Central teams do have more
throwaways/game then their coastal counterparts.

>  Thus, I think that ultimately (I know, poor choice of words), that we're
>kinda stuck with the individual captains hashing it out with the people
>at the UPA (who have a slightly wider view of things) to crank out the
>seedings.  It's an imperfect system, one that is guaranteed to screw a
>large number of teams, but it's one that players will likely have to
>learn to live with.

Well, there definitely needs to be some consistent system - it can't be
a system that pretends to be consistent while changing every year.  How about
a system comprised of half captain's votes, and half power ratings?

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!
From: Mr. Safety
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: PA HS Teams!
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:25:02 GMT
Reply-To: taub@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu
Organization: Howard Hughes, the eccentric Billionaire

Pennsylvania is officially organizing a *State High School Championship*
ultimate tournament!  We need to determine what HS teams are currently in
existence and what schools are willing to participate in this event.   At the
moment, we are planning a weekend date of May 30 and 31.

Anyone who plays for or has contact with a HS team in PA, please send me the
following information:

High School:
Address:
Contact Name:
Phone Number:
Name of Sponsoring School Official:
Dates that are *definitely* bad for play:

Send whatever info you have.  We need all the help we can get...

Either e-mail me or any other contact method:
taub@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu
W(215)898-9236
H(215)477-5106

2805 N. 47th St.  #1202
Phila, PA  19131

Frank Yue  Mr. Safety
From: walkerd@pegasus ( application)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: pickup in Boston
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:30:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


I'll be in Boston this weekend.  Are there any low key pickup games my
wife and I could join in on?

If so give me extra details of where.  I don't know my way around Boston.
-- 
Doug Walker                    |     walkerd@semi.mitel.com
MITEL Corporation              |
Semiconductor Division         |     Witty disclaimer t.b.a.
Kanata, Ontario                |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: e-mail me official rules
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:32:04 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
Summary: official rules

		Help!
Can anyone e-mail me the official rules to ultimate, I am trying to start
a team at Sonoma State University, that would be great if someone 
could help...
later
********yahoo skydiving*********

mertes@sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: rpw@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner)
Subject: Re: sotg and  real loud stall counts
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:29:32 GMT

As a separate issue, and as one who doesn't scream his stall counts,
I'd like to point out that a LOUD stall count is in my mind a very
beneficial part of the defense. If I'm guarding a handler, and I can hear
the stall count, I'm better equipped to deal with my mark. Of course,
the mark is better equipped to deal with me if HE can hear it too. 

When I'm handling, if my marker is counting softly, I'll yell out his
count every third number or so, to inform my teammates of how far
the count has gone. (And tell them to get moving...;^).


However, here's my opinion about the original post: I'd put "purposely
screaming into a guy's face to unnerve him" with "purposely guarding the
guy from a distance of 1 inch and making him take the time to ask me
for a disc length" in the SOTG violation file. As far as I'm concerned,
both of those effectively reduce the stall count by means counter to the
SOTG.

Disclaimer: Who cares about my opinion? I never made it past regionals...

-- 
Ray Wagner
                                Computer Science Department
     rpw@cs.virginia.edu         University of Virginia
                                  Charlottesville, VA   22903
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: qsteve@cco.caltech.edu (Steve Jun)
Subject: Re: Seedings
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:42:22 GMT

In article <702662417.F00002@blkcat.UUCP> Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) writes:
>Based on last year's finish; or, (2) captains voting.
> 
>Anyone have any ideas?
You asked for it.

In rock climbing, every climb is given a rating.  It's a weird scale, so I
won't bother to explain it here.  Anyway, after a couple people make the climb,
they come up with these magic numbers.  Theoretically, this system is the same
whether you're in California, New Jersey, or Thailand.  (Practically, there's
a wide variance.)  Anyway, my idea is this:  make up some scale, and every
time two teams play, the opposing teams rank the other team.  Then the team
takes their ranking and decides if it was a good day, bad day, etc., basically
adding some sort of "correction factor".  It pretty much boils down to captains
voting, but in a more "standardized" way.  Was that clear??

		Steve

"Don't look at me.  I just live here."
From: potts@elec.uq.oz.au (EUS President)
Subject: Inaugural World Stubby-guts Championships
Keywords: beer
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:45:55 GMT

Since I believe we are the first to have the idea, this will indeed be the
inaugural world champs and the winner/s will be proclaimed to be the undisputed
stubby-guts champion/s of the world.
Only officially approved ultimate discs will be used; bevelled edges not allowed
on account of broken glass factor.
Only officially approved stubbies will be allowed; minimum volume 375ml and must be
of a standard shape.
The competition will be a knockout style, with the last person remaining standing
proclaimed the winner.
Entry is open to all peoples possessing a disc, a carton of stubbies and a passion
for beer.

Where: Byron Bay, New South Wales, Australia.
When: Saturday Evening 2nd May 1992.
Top seeds: John Davies & "Goodie", Queensland, Australia.
From: doerre_g@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: pickup in tampa??
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility

need some help, please--

i ran into an old friend yesterday who is living in the tampa area.  in the 
course of catching up, i inevitably mentioned ultimate, of which she had never 
heard--funny thing, she grew up in the seventies, too...

i promised to relayinformation to her as to where in her area she could 
witness, and/or get involved in some pickup in her area.--then i checked the 
latest UPA newsletter which has a list of teams and summer league contacts, but 
couldn't find anything appropriate--(maybe i just don't know my way around fla. 
well enough)

i'm _sure_  there's something going on--any  information will be relayed and 
much appreci ated--thanksd

--geoff doerre

ps--email would be more convenient:  doerre_g@a1.mscf.upenn.edu@in
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: You have a point there, but (maybe you should wear a hat to cover it)...
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:00:41 GMT

In <2222@transfer.stratus.com> scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey) writes:
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>+  scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com                  Flat Flip Flies Straight  +
>+                       "Go to the forest and move"                         +
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Whamo says: Flat flip flies straight. Angled flip curves. 
This information is not available on DiscCraft products. I wonder why??
--
The summer league will start as soon as the snow melts.| Canadian weather is
Meanwhile we are playing on the snow.| wonderful, and we get so much of it.
From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: You have a point there, but (maybe you should wear a hat to cover it)...
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:21:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:

>In article <rjg.703350041@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
>> Whamo says: Flat flip flies straight. Angled flip curves. 

>Nope.  (I hope I remember this.)

>	To fly, flip away backhanded.
>	Flat flip flies straight.
>	Tilted flip curves.  Experiment.

>Tell your children!

Hmmm, closer, but still no cigar.  I'm not sure if I've got it either, but I'll bring
it closer still:

	To fly, flip away backhand.
	Flat flip flies straight.
	Tilted flip curves.  
	Play catch!  Invent games!  Experiment!
	
Those trailing incitations were always may favorite part.  By the way, this is still
printed on the bottoms of many "Regular" Whammos which you can buy in toy stores or
even drug stores.


Troy
From: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Seedings
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:51:22 GMT
Reply-To: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman)
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

How about a system based on the rankings of the players?  Players can get their
rankings from their team's previous year's performance and the evaluation
of their teammates.  So the player(s) agreed to be MVP's by their teammates
get the team's tournament performance rating, and the others get ratings
less than that.  Players who are new are assigned a ranking by their
teammates within the structure of the rankings of experienced players.  This
allows an overall ranking score to be assigned to the team.  There can be
standard adjustments to the scores of experienced players who have suffered
misfortunes since the previous year: gaining weight, knee surgery, turning 40,
etc.  Spirit of the game should definitely count as a positive adjustment.
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: top 25
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:34:54 -0500

Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

> Would it be possible to post the raw data for the power rating calculation? >
I, at least, would be interested in seeing it...

The "raw data" is only all the college scores reported this year.  Are you
asking if I should list all 200+ games?

--  Eric


Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: jeffc@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Carruthers)
Subject: Double team rule questions
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:05:28 GMT

This weekend, we played alot of zone offense. When I was on the
sideline, I would sometimes yell "They're double-teaming you!" or
"Double-Team!" to let the thrower know when he was being double-teamed.
The team we were playing said that I should not use the words
"double-team" from the sideline, just as you shouldn't yell "Pick!" 
from the sideline. 

The rules regarding double-team calling are contradictory:
   
  "Should the *thrower* recognize a double team (s)he should call
'Double Team' ....."

  "A violation can be called by any player..."  
     Note: double-team is a violation


So can anyone on the field call a double-team? I think this should be
the  way the rule is interpreted. However, how does the person making
the call make sure the stall count is reduced by two? 

If only the thrower can make the call, then other players and spectators
should be allowed to tell the thrower that (s)he is being double-teamed.


Jeff Carruthers --- SMUT/Roadkill/Loonatics/I-House/Flying Bears Ultimate
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: mauricec@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Maurice Cinquini)
Subject: Re: how strong is a disc?
Organization: ultimate mailing list <ultimate@doe.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:21:22 GMT

In message <1992Apr3.232727.12866@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> on 3 Apr 92 23:27:27 GMT Marc S. Queen asks:

> has anyone else out there ever seen someone rip a mint-condition 165
> in half with no trouble whatsoever?

Yes I've seen a dog do it.

I also think it would be a simple matter especially if it was cold as your
signature message implies:

>                             i think the reason why it's snowin now is because
>                             [..stuff deleted..]
>                             waiting for the sun,  msq

Cold discs tend to be brittle.

> if you've never thought about rippin one in half, grab your disc and try it.
> (and he didn't repeatedly bend it back and forth before tearing it apart)

I would think that it would be a simple matter to grasp the disc,
fingers inside the rim, thumbs together on the top plate of the disc
(above the rim) and with one bend create a crack in the rim.  From
there on any weakling could continue the tear across the thin flight
plate and waste a mint condition disc.

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS! There are 100's of better uses even for old 165's,
like giving them any to beginners.

--
Maurice

--
"Personalize this message. Put your favorite quotation, quip or quibble here."
From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: sotg and real loud stall counts
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:33:59 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

tkerner@lab4.smcm.edu (Thomas W. Kerner) writes:


>	At a recent tourney a certain player (me) was called into question  
>for employing particularly loud stall counts (loud enough to startle  
>anyone within 50 yds. or so and to be heard several blocks away I am  
>told).  
> ...

I think that some types of psychological techniques are part of the game,
and not at all in violation of the SOTG.  However, in this case my
impression would be that the marker is simply trying to be as annoying as
possible; yes, I would consider that to be something of an underhanded
tactic (no offense intended).

Personally, I favor a very quiet but intense count.  I try to simulate the
tick-tick-tick of a bomb about to go off.  I find this has a definite
psychological effect on some throwers, which I offer as an example of a
psyche tactic which is still in good spirit.  

Concerning what the other players on the field hear, it is generally more
important for the O to know that the stall count is high, since someone may
have to make a sudden or unusual effort to get open.  The D pretty much
plays the same for all 10 seconds, perhaps with the general feeling of time
passing serving as a clue to increase defensive intensity.  In other words
"the count is getting up there" is usually all you need to know when on D,
but on O, you really want to know when it hits 5, 8, and 9.  Thus, a good
thrower will yell the stall to his/her teammates at appropriate intervals
if the marker is using a soft count.  Placing this extra burden on the
thrower is another reason I think a quiet count is preferable.


Troy 
Seattle Sockeye
troy@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: how strong is a disc?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:08:06 -0500

In <1992Apr3.232727.12866@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen) writes:

>did it as an insult to every hucker, whom he considers to be fairies b/c we
>(most of us) don't play football instead.  by the way, he is a damn good
>football player.  SO! has anyone else ever seen this feat of strength??

It's pretty silly to compare a football player to an ultimate player, anyway.
What ultimate players are going to spend hours building up their arms and
chest, when all it'll do is slow down their running speed?  It's like saying
marathon runners are pansies because they can't bench press as much as 
professional weightlifters.

Football is to basketball as rugby is to ultimate.

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!
From: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: scoober??
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:50:32 GMT
Reply-To: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 I just received my March/April UPA Newsletter. What is a scoober? As mentioned
 in Danny Weiss' article...

 Richard Dubois 
 SLAC 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Establishing a pivot foot
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:02:45 -0500

I'm sure this has come up before, but what is the definition of
"establishing"?  If the pull lands deep in the endzone, can a player
run up to the line, and, without pausing, throw to a teammate, in
the time his foot is on the line, or must he come to a full stop?

On a semi-related note, I seem to have lost my rule additions since
the 9th - can someone send them to me?

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Top 20 from Eric
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:18:53 -0500

In <1992Apr8.043805.27590@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> padgett@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Allan Patrick Padgett) writes:

>NEWS RELEASE
>   
>The Ultimate Players Association has released the current 
>Open Division Collegiate Top 25 Rankings of the 1992 season.  
>Teams must have played three tournament games before April
>6 to have been included.

Would it be possible to post the raw data for the power rating calculation?
I, at least, would be interested in seeing it...

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!

From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: disc golf
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:33:40 -0500

evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville) writes:

> As i mentioned in my previous post, the idea was to get people interested > in
disc golf. I'd venture guess that calling it the 
>
>     "world's biggest disc golf tournament" 
>
> is simply a _vehicle_ to accomplish just that.
> Since each player in the 'tournament' gets a tshirt, i figure > they might
wear that tshirt again. Someone else might see it and ask > about disc
golf.....Yes you are missing something here, I was talking about > disc golf and
not ultimate. 

OK.  No aspersions intended.  I knew you were talking about disc golf,I was just
wondering about the use of the word "tournament" in singular. (I _did_ go to law
school, I can't help but think of things like that. I would have called it the
worlds largest disc golf "event", but that's just me.)  I think the concept is
great.

And I highly respect disc golf.  My very first NAS points (am I dating myself
here?) were in disc golf in Chicago, 1976 (or 1977?).  Playing disc golf is also
a great way for beginner Ultimate players to improve his/her accuracy.  Indeed,
I credit disc golf for improving my Ultimate game dramatically after watching
Tom Kennedy, who I had only previously known as a golf player, play Ultimate
with the Champion Santa Barbara Condors. Yes, I remember those freshman Friday
and Saturday nights, with nothing much to do, and we'd party some, and then play
dorm-object-disc golf through these huge dorms at Michigan State (every floor of
the six story building had 'holes'), hoping to meet some women as we 'played
through' the women's floors . . .  Didn't meet many women that year, but
definately became a better thrower. . . .

--  Eric

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Rules questions
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:06:34 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.225520.11147@husc3.harvard.edu> dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan) writes:
>don't pull it 20 yards out of the end zone in the first place. If a player 
>with the disc, or approaching the disc, stops, or walks ridiculously slowly, 
>you may give a "stall warning," wait three seconds, and then start stalling.

Wrong. You may give the stall warning and start counting only if the
other player is within ten feet of the disc and doesn't put it in
play.

In any event, as regular readers know, my beef with delay of game is
the between point that gets edited out of the videos, for example.

George


-- 
George Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
From: jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: the Flying Aces
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <1992Apr13.164421.5783@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen) writes:
>
>Has anyone seen the pro frisbee team from Someplace, Michigan called
>the Flying Aces?.....

>...........  It cost the University $400 for this 2 hour frisbee show.
>Is this a bargain or a steal?



If this is the group led by Brian Hayes, it is a super bargain.  Their
show is outstanding.   Brian has been doing this line of work since 1976,
and his experience comes through loud and clear.  Don"t miss it.

Jim P.


.
-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: FA.TJM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Thom McKean)
Subject: Re: Stuff
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.020401.9439@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
padgett@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Allan Patrick Padgett) writes:
>Three things from Palo Alto...
>
> [2 extraneous things deleted]
>
>3.  Thom McKean is NOT a member of the Stanford Team.
>

For the record, I don't claim to be.  Besides, I don't wanna be a
part of your stupid ol' team anyway...

Thom
(and I was actually gonna donate after receiving that cheesy
solicitation letter to alumni, Allen...See you at the Alum Game
tomorrow.  And the beer better be stellar...)
Xref: sparky rec.sport.disc:649 um.general:235
From: young@umiacs.umd.edu (Neal Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc,um.general
Subject: Univ. Maryland Ultimate Team?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:47:20 GMT
Followup-To: young@umiacs.umd.edu
Distribution: um
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Has the University of Maryland team started again?  

If so, where and when are the practices?  

Thanks,

Neal Young <young@umiacs.umd.edu>