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From: ckkwan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chunming Kenneth Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fundamental problem of China (Was Re: after 1997...)
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:40:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <76634@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>
>It might be interesting to talk about what the destination of economy
>reform should be.  Do we want a 100% market system like Hong Kong?  A
>mostly capitalist with a lot of government intervention system like
>Taiwan?  Or a "mixed" economy like Western Europe?

     It's a common misconception about HK, that the island enclave is a supreme
paragon of laisser-faire economy; it certainly doesn't help matter when a Nobel
Prize winner, someone the stature of a Milton Friedman would go on television
to declare HK the ultimate model of free market economy.  The fact is the
colonial government of HK has been and still is a major player in the general
economic scheme there, although its (the government) role in shaping the local
economy would probably pale alongside the Taiwanese in their respective sphere.

--Kenneth Kwan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li)
Subject: Re: Olympics opening ceremony
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:54:18 GMT

In article <3840@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.211404.15757@nic.umass.edu> s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>>as seen on tv, the opening ceremony included opera performance by some famous
>>singers. what if the event is to be held in china/hongkong/taiwan? do you
>>think we will get to see chinese opera?
>
>
>Opera/Classical singing is International.  Both performers are World renowned
>superstars (Jose is actually a better Lyric tenor than Placido or Luciano).  I
>doubt that the Chinese opera will have such an Universal appeal.
>
I can't agree with Ray here. Why would Chinese opera has any less appeal
than the (Italian) opera? It's probably not as common not because the
audience does not understand the language, but more like there's not so
much exposure and the "Western" audience are not familiar with the stories.
There are lots of action & acrobatics in some Chinese operas, and I think
you can be pretty sure some of those will be showcased if the Olympics
were to be held in China/Hong Kong/Taiwan. The Olympics opening is really a
showcase for the host country's art and culture. "Universal appeal" is NOT a
criteria, but originality might be.

...and personally, I don't particularly like the Italian opera while I
like the Chinese opera much more. But that's just a personal preference
we are all entitled to. 8-)

-- Vince

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From: kanj@ecf.toronto.edu (KAN JOHN KWOK LEUNG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olympics opening ceremony
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:59:30 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

In article <3840@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.211404.15757@nic.umass.edu> s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>>as seen on tv, the opening ceremony included opera performance by some famous
>>singers. what if the event is to be held in china/hongkong/taiwan? do you
>>think we will get to see chinese opera?
>
>
>Opera/Classical singing is International.  Both performers are World renowned
>superstars (Jose is actually a better Lyric tenor than Placido or Luciano).  I
>doubt that the Chinese opera will have such an Universal appeal.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually the way I think of it, I doubt that the Olympics will ever be in C/HK/T
in the first place.  China is not so smooth when it comes to visitors, the
people in HK are more interested in making money for themselves than these
long term plans and Taiwan, well I don't know enough about Taiwan to comment,
but I don't THINK they would be interested.

>
>
>Ray
>-- 
>Raymond K. Wong                                 
>E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
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>other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.          


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				A. Mak  (Using KANJ@ECF.TORONTO.EDU)

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From: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Reply-To: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Organization: Big Bear Solar Observatory, Caltech
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:22:22 GMT

In article <Jul.28.13.45.37.1992.4090@terra.rutgers.edu>, lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>I don't know if the Chinese girls use drugs or not. But u better shut
>your mouth up before you having any evidence. I think those Americans are
>no different from us Chinese: when somebody else does better than you,
>throw some dirt on his/her face.
>
>Have a heart, those girls give all their sweat and blood for the
>gold/silver/bronze, and you sit there laughing at them?


Agree.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: The "new" outlook on China
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:03:44 GMT

......

>	I am fed up with NBC coverage of Olympics. Totally out of balance,
>out of proportion. We are watching a tour of the Dream Team, whose only
>mission is to take the medal. Any event in which Americans are not favorite
>to win simply does not exist. They didn't tell you who won the gold medal
>in a event an American won a silver. They don't show the flags of other
>countries in the victory ceremony, they totally blacked out other winners
>in all ceremonies I have seen. What a shame!
>	When Zhuang Yong won the gold in 100m freestyle, Chicago Tribune
>hinted that she used steroids, which was a typical unresponsible
>jounalism and racial sterotype. They used to look at us as weak and submissive,
>they cannnot accept the fact we can beat them. Their  last weapon is
>slandering. I remembered an AP reporter making fun of Asian male atheletes in
>Seoul Olympics, saying that the best Asian male 200m sprinter cannot outrun
>Griffith-Joyner, the female 200m record holder, which was unfortunately
>true. What surprised me is that he felt free to make such racist and sexist
>commemnts. Because in their heart they are superior to us, both mentally
>and physically. 
> 
Tomorrow NBC will discuss the steroid usage in swimming team, especially
the case of Chinese team. But, please be cool down, Olympia is for the
improvement of the relations of peoples, not the other way around. At
least don't let our enjoyment be spoiled.

Tingli Pan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: AL GORE WEARING A "6.4" T-SHIRT
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:28:49 GMT

In today's "Chicago Tribune", (maybe on other newspapers as well), there
is a picture which shows that Democratic vice president candidate 
Al Gore was jogging in Philidelphia, imitating Rocky, and wearing a T-shirt 
which is designed by the Chinese students of university of Chicago 3
years ago!  Our thanks to those who sent the T-shirt to Senator Gore.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Mao vs. Deng (get thee questions cleared first)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:19:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: noiro.2A6DD0CD.10313
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.


It seems there is no common ground for this group to comment/evaluate Mao.
So, let's get these questions cleared:

1. Question to Steven Lin:

1.1  Do you think that KMT could be defeated by Mao's own two arms and two 
     legs?  If yes, then, Mao is at least a magic man; if "no", then:
     why so many people (Chinese) were willing to help Mao to kill KMT?

1.2  If the Old China is better than New China, why KMT was not able to 
     defend their Hao(good)Guang(light)Jing(scene)?
     If the New China is worse than Old China, why the Chinese people did not
     get together to kill CCP, just like they used to get together to kill KMT?

1.3  what is the difference between those CSS and the HongWeiBing(Red Gurads)?
     If you, from the bottom of your heart, realize the problems on those CSS,
     you should understand the necessity to have a Culture Revolution.  But I
     do agree that Culture Revolution was "amplified" by some then time
     politicians.  But by nature, Culture Revolution, as an activity/movement,
     did not intend to sell China.  So, in my history book, Culture Revolution
     is less negative than Blood Card movement.

1.4  what is the difference between China and Taiwan island?  China is a big
     country with 1.2 billion people, Taiwan's population is similar to 
     Shanghai, a city in CHina.  To manage such a big China, the most important
     thing is to have those 1.2 billion people believe something and believe
     what they are doing.  Mao did a good job on this, but Deng Xiaoping 
     completely does NOT know what he is doing--that's why Mao got lots of 
     things done without money, and Deng cannot get some things done with 
     money.  Do you agree?

shannon
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From: RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:28:32 GMT
 <1992Jul30.151440.26612@ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul30.151440.26612@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu
(Yuan Jiang) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul28.165639.6557@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu
>(Yin Zhang) writes:
>>In article <13802@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca
>>(Sanyee Tang) writes:
>>>
>>I assume that the Chinese female swimmers in the contests all have
>>passed the gender test and drug test.  So a gold medal is a gold
>
>Swimmers are only randomly selected for drug test.  I'm not sure
>whether Lin Li and Zhuang Yong have been tested.
>
You can be sure Lin Li will be tested. All world record breakers are Tested but
 not all Gold medallists. I have a question. If someone tests positive for a ba
nned substance would you say , "They all do it" or "This was bad and
Gold medals and $50,000(the reward from the chinese government) is not a justif
ication for cheating"

Welcome your comments.

Rajagopalan
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:55:23 GMT

In article <65500009@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                ) writes:
->bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
->|>->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
->
->|>being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
->|>60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
->|>your statement.
->
->I guess what jialin means is that western women are reluctant to spend time on
->housework. :-)

can't speak for the rest of the world, but in my case, that certainly is
true.....last month i finally gave in and got a housekeeper to clean my
apartment.  being neat is more important to my SO than i, and so i figured
this was the best compromise.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: weimin@newsrice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Subject: Re: Shut Down, That Red Lantern
Originator: weimin@egeria.cs.rice.edu
Keywords: Red Lantern, Zhang Yimou
Reply-To: weimin@newsrice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:30:29 GMT


In article <Bs7wyH.MH9@acsu.buffalo.edu>, xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
|> [ Little Hu's well written article deleted ]
|> 
|> After I saw the movie, I understood why it is banned in China. 
|> As in "Judo", the Master of "red lantern" is meant to be a image of
|> Deng Xiaoping. 
|> 
|> -- 
|> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
|> mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
|> InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5

It will be shown in China in September.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li)
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ... (Was Re: Recent Research)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:41:19 GMT

In article <199207211413.AA03521@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
> No, your revisionist view has been wisely foreseen by Dr. Johnny. After
> a brief discussion with me, he called Dr. Cang who was in charge of making
> characters. "Hi, Lao Cang, please make three Nuu together a bad word!"
> 
> Nowaday, it seems nobody knows why three Nuu is a bad word, I myself almost
> forgot this episode, time and tide never wait...

Gee, me too!

Seems that Lesbian 3-way has been condemned ever since the
ancient China. ;-)

-- 
Xiaoyu Li
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From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:43:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Jul27.164312.2040
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <NlS-axB@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.144639.123534@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
>(Edwin X. Li) writes:
>>
>>apparently you haven't follow jchen's posting closely.
>>this guy is a delusioned ultranationalist who has in
>>his spare time devised a military plan to invade tawan
>
>I have no intention to deny I am a nationalist. President
>Lincoln is a nationalist. He had successfully defended
>the United States and made this country a great country. 
>If TIers dare to seperate our country, I have no hasitation 
>to follow President Lincoln and send them to tomb.

So......, You would be like President Lincoln. Let me as you some questions.

(1) Lincoln was a president - are you? 

(2) Lincoln was elected by people from the north as well as the south - are 
    chinese who want to punish TIer's elected by Taiwanese?

(3) The purpose of Lincoln's Civil War was to free the slaves from the south -
    what is the rulers of the blue ants want to do with Taiwanese?

(4) Lincoln was assasinated after the Civil War - are you willing to follow the
    same path?

(5) Lincoln was a great President in the US history - are you?

(6) America was a unified country before the Civil War - are Taiwan (ROC) and 
    China (prc) the same country?  

TIer's are not trying to sepatrate your country. In fact, they don't even want to
deal with your country. They are dealing with the KMT.
From: liang@optima.UUCP (Song Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 1st gold medal for China in Barcelona92
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:44:31 GMT

From article <1992Jul26.193312.748@cnedcu51.bitnet>, by ifwang@cnedcu51.bitnet:
> 
>  
>   In Games of the XXVth Olympia, Barcelona, in Women's 100m FreeStyle 
> Swim,  ZHUANG Yong, won the gold medal and got new Olymplic record.
>   To hell with the "60 swimming pools"!
> 
>   
>  Congratulations !

   Great.  Good start.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won Gold Medal
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:37:17 GMT

In article <4416@disuns2.epfl.ch> you write:
>>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.
>
>The secret weapon is a training center up in the high maintains.

But how do you get to know the secret?

Thanks.
From: ebx@scs.carleton.ca (edmond bo xiao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olympics opening ceremony
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:21:40 GMT
Reply-To: ebx@scs.carleton.ca
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

In article 15757@nic.umass.edu, s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>as seen on tv, the opening ceremony included opera performance by some famous
>singers. what if the event is to be held in china/hongkong/taiwan? do you
>think we will get to see chinese opera?

A great idea!
From: vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC Commentators talking about China
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:05:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi, 

I am surprised that no one has commented yet on the absolutely offensive
way the NBC commentators introduced the PRC team when they entered the
stadium in Barcelona.  I think they basically summarized the Time 
article that we have been discussing, they said something like
'The PRC team - one of the last Stalinist style athletic organizations
in the world... children sent to special schools when they are very 
young... where they are trained with who knows what methods...  etc.'
I thought the remark about being trained with 'who knows what methods'
was really offensive because it makes it sound like they are being given
electric shocks if they don't perform well or something awful.  I was
so angry when I heard them say this that I called the local NBC 
affiliate and complained.  

Anyway, it is another example of how the media in the United States
has been abusing China.  

Cameron D. Campbell

P.S. If someone video-taped the ceremony, maybe they could post an 
exact transcript of what the commentators said, because my recollection
is a bit hazy.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.051530.24688@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.041405.21803@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.221102.323@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>>
>>>I strongly encourage everyone from mainland to discontinue their subscription
>>>with Time. This is America man and money talks! Let's hurt Time where it really
>>>counts.  
>>>
>>I support you. I'll switch from Time to Newsweek. 
> 
>
>	Well, if you paid attention, you would have noticed that Newsweek
>ran much more articles than TIME that is unfavorable to China.  TIME is a
>conservative magzine which normally does a better job than Newsweek in
>many political and international matters.
>
I don't have Newsweek. But by chance I read one article in March about
China. I've the impression it is more reasonable than the swimming pool
one.

>	If you do feel so strongly about this swimming pool issue, why
>don't you call or write them to see if it is just a stupid typo or editing
>mistake?  I can easily imagine TIME publishing some letters in a couple of
>weeks on this.  :-)
>
Hope so. But I'm not only for the number. They can easily put a zero or
two after that for correction. You can find out the whole article has 
a hostile undertone. I guess the reason for this article is not only
Time is going to replace China for USSR as the future enemy of America.
(As a magazine, you always should have an evil opponent as the bashing
target). Also this article is to discredit a strong opponent in Olympic.
A patriotic action.   
 
>	All in all, I wish we could have more patience and tolerance to
>mistakes others made.
>
What a cruel reality facing us. The Chinese paper in America consider us
as the people coming from continental area. The magazine "Zhenming"
considers mainland Chinese in the bottom of all the Chinese in America.
While a reputable American magazine consides the Chinese athletics are
worse than trained running dogs.
>
>    Eddie

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Subject: Re: Chinese Female & Male Athletes in Olympics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:21:21 GMT

lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:



>>Given that the gap does exist between Westerners and Chinese men in physiques,
><does anyone has any suggestion, good ideas on how China can shorten this gap?
><How can China improve on male sports that require bulk and strength?

 >Keep taking more protein for at least 5 generations.

I think only diet can change it. Have you guys ever noticed the Chinese
Americans who were born in USA averagely are taller and stronger than the
new immigrants, the more generations their family stay in US, the stronger
and taller they are. The another example is Japanese Youth. When I was in
Shanghai, I lived near Hong-Kou park where there is a memorial hall for Lu
Xun. Alot of old Japenese people visited there. They weer realy short. But
the Japenese foreign students I met in USA are at least 4"-7" taller than
those old people.
The only way to compete with the western males is to become taller and
stronger. Some of the Chinese women athletes have achieved that, Zhuang is
just as tall and strong as Jenny Thompson.So she has beaten Jenny Thompson.
'Keep taking more protein for at least 5 generations' is a great idea, but
the problem is where we can find so much protain for our sons and
daughters.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@math.psu.edu (Jee Shen)
Subject: Re: what is chinese word for "fractal"?
Reply-To: shen@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:55:00 GMT

In article 1435bvINN9f6@network.ucsd.edu, zhtgrad@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Haitao Zhang) writes:
>In article <13imq8INNrkk@network.ucsd.edu> eric@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang) writes:
>>ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu (younan lu) writes:
>>>
>>>  please tell me what is chinses translation of "fractal". Math major people
>>>  should know this.
>>
>>I believe it's called "Fen1( to divide, fractal) Wei2( Dimension)". Here is
>
>Maybe Fen1 Xing2(shape) is more accurate here.
>
>>another word:
>>
>>Caos -- Hun2 Dun4.
>^^^^^
>
>chaos
>
>>
>>>  Thanks in advance!
>>
>>You're welcome.
>>
>>-- Bo
>>
>
>


I think, the best translation for 'fractal' should be 'Fen1 Wei2 (Fractional dimension)
Ji3 He2(Geometry)'. A good illustration of fractal is the shape of the border of Norway.

Jee Shen
Dept of Math
Penn State Univ.
Univ. Park, PA 16802
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