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Subject:      sammamish

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From: marc galbraith <MGALBRAI@ukanvm.BITNET>
Subject:      sammamish
To: marc galbraith <govdoc-l@psuvm.BITNET>

The Kansas State Library is considering the pruchase of the Sammamish
Census Data System '90.  We want to install it on one of our public
access computers.  We'd like to hear from libraries currently using
Sammamish.  We want to know such things as:  (1) How long did it take staff to
become proficient with Sammamish?  (2) Is it sufficiently user friendly for pat
ron use?  (3) Does it provide flexabile report generation capability?
(4) Based on your experience, what are true minimum requirements for the workst
ation that runs Sammamish?  Thanks.
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From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      NTDB software

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From: RENAK DANIEL <DRENAK@ALEXANDRIA.LIB.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: NTDB software
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     Has anyone had problems with the NTDB software?  Does the "view" key
(F3) not work?  If you have experienced these problems, try making sure the
NUMLOCK key off before you start up the program.  I discovered this by
accident.  It could be a by-product of all the TSRs we have running on the PC
we use.  Thought I'd post it to the list in case anyone else were having
similar problems.

                                   Dan Renak

                                   University of Utah
                                   Marriott Library
                                   Documents Division
                                   Salt Lake City UT  84112

                                   (801) 581-8394

                         Mail:     drenak@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:01:29 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      Public access to CD-ROMS

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:06:31 CDT
From: SCHREINE@twsuvm.BITNET
To: govdoc-l@psuvm.BITNET
Subject: Public access to CD-ROMS

Our library hasa wide-open reference area that services both reference and
government documents sources.  How do public services areas make available
to the public those government document CD-ROMS (Congressional Record, the
economic censuses, County and City Databook) that allow the patrons to
download and manipulate data to files on the hard drive? Do you have policies
that restrict patrons from using these CD-ROMs (such as making appointments
with the government documents staff) or do you trust the patrons to know what
they're doing and leave them on their own?


We have had some bad experiences in our reference area with patrons wiping out
all the programs on the hard drives because DOS was left vulnerable.  Has
anyone had similar experiences with the hard drives of computers that have
these government documents CD-ROMS on them?

Also, how do you make available to patrons government document CD-ROMS that
work with accompanying statistical packages?  Must they download the
information and take it someplace else to manipulate the data or do you make
programs like LOTIS 1-2-3 available to the patron as well?

Any solutions that have been developed to these problems would be greatly
appreciated.

Rebecca Schreiner, Head of Reference
Wichita State University Library
Wichita, Kansas
Schreine@twsuvm
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From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      GPO answers on ITC

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:03:45 -0700
From: lopresti robert <lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
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Subject: GPO answers on ITC

I agree with the list member who suggested that since GPO only sends replies'
to the first person who sends a query, members of this list should post
such replies as they get.  I just recieved two on related subjects.  I will
print my queries and the GPOs answers:

1.  Why does the List of Item Numbers list the International Trade
Commission under both ITC and TC?

	The List of CLasses has ITC and TC listed because; until 1981 the
name of the agency was THE UNITED STATES TARIFF COMMISSION was TC.  In
November 1981 SuDoc changed it to ITC when the title changed to INTERNATIONAL
TRADE COMMISSION.  The TC simply hasn't been taken out of the list of
classes.  The next issue should reflect the ommission of TC.  It should be
dated September 1992.

2.  Industry and Trade Summary: a series started by the International Trade
COmmission in 91.  Each publication has a different subject (TOYS AND GAMES
is USITC Publication 2426 (GM-1), for example).

	There have been three more issues of this series received, but they
will be distributed in microfiche.

           THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED HERE ARE SOLELY MY OWN, BUT YOU CAN
                          BORROW THEM FOR TWO WEEKS
Robert Lopresti                                  "The long memory is the
Wilson Library                                    most radical idea in
Western Washington University                     America."
Bellingham, WA                                           -Claire Sparks
98225-9103                    lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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Subject:      US Exports Commodity Classification

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From: "Indiana State Library; (317) 232-3" <OAWN7U@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject: US Exports Commodity Classification

Does anyone know if the CD-ROM titled US Exports Commodity C
Classification, advertised in the Census Bureau's July 1992 issue
of Monthly Products Announcement, will be distributed as a
depository item?
Doug Conrads, Indiana State Library, (317) 232-3686
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:37:49 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      Re: 1880 Census Reprints

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From: cwolff                               <UA0281@UOKMVSA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 1880 Census Reprints

we have purchased all volumes of the Norman Ross reprints--
and will probably continue to do so for the nineteenth
century volumes--the 1880 census price jump seems justified
since there are probably as many volumes of the census in
that year as for the previous reprints.  given the fact
that the material is on acid-free paper and that our volumes
are falling apart -- even by just breathing on them -- i
was able to justify purchase.  we have alot of departments
(e.g., sociology, history, pol sci) that make use of the
historic census.  about all i can suggest is: if you don't
have heavy use, then, yes, the price is too high -- in
a way, norman ross is much like CIS: if you're the only
game in town, you write your own price--
  cindi wolff
 university of oklahoma
  p.s. excuse the cynicism, but can anyone really afford the
    CIS Executive Documents fiche collection without selling
    their first born?
  'i should have been a pair of ragged claws
   Scuttling across the floors of silent seas...'
   t.s. eliot
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Subject:      Dialing Project Hermes

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Subject:      Dialing Project Hermes
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I tried to dial up Project Hermes yesterday and got a message that the
telephone # I was using is not in service. It's been about 6 months since
I've tried this so I may just be out of date.
I used  202-275-7923.
Could someone who has used it recently let me know the current number.
Thanks for your assistance,

Jane Cramer
Brooklyn College Library
Bedford Ave. & Ave. H
Brooklyn NY 11210
718-780-5332
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Subject:      sammamish

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From: marc galbraith <MGALBRAI@ukanvm.BITNET>
Subject:      sammamish
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The Kansas State Library is considering the purchase of the Sammanish Census Da
ta System '90.  We want to install it on one of our public access
computers.  We'd like to hear from libraries currently using Sammanish
We want to know such things as: (1) How long did it take staff to be-
come reasonably proficient with Sammanish?  (2) Is it sufficiently user
friendly for patrons use?  (3)Does it provide flexibleble report
generation capability.  (4) Does it create maps quickly and accuratly?
(5) What are true minimum requirements for the workstation that runs Samm-
amishAw=bc`zl...


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Subject:      Signing messages

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I would like to post a request to this list about something that
has been a problem for me for some time. Many people responding to
this list or to me personally do not sign their messages! I can not
always tell who a person is or what institution they represent from
the address the Listserve or my vax shows as the originating address.
Please sign your e-mail messages with at least your name, institution
and e-mail addresses.

Many thanks,

Mary Martin
Honnold Library, Claremont Colleges
Claremont CA.  91711
mmartin@rocky.claremont.edu
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Subject:      Ordering Information

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From: (Debbie Stern) <stern@aecom.yu.edu>
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Subject: Ordering information

I was not aable to locate the following government document on the online
GPO MOnthly Catalog or GPO Publications Reference File: HE 20.3152: ON
1/8/992 "An Integrated Oncology Waorkstation: Final Report"  Edward
Shortliffe, et al.  Intnl. Cancer Information Center. 1991. 120 p.
We would like the price and other pertinent ordering information.  Does
anyone have this information?  I am not a member of the list, so please
respond to me directly.  Thank you.
Debbie Stern
stern@aecom.yu.edu      212 430-3104
Albert Einstein College of Medicine - Gottesman Library
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Subject:      Lois Mills' recovery

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Subject: Lois Mills' recovery

     Last weekend, I talked to Lois Mills, who reports that she
is mostly recovered from her fall and, of course, busy campaigning
for Carol Mosely Braun.  Will whoever has the signed copy of her
GODORT history please send it ASAP, as she is eager to see it.  Thanx.
       Clare Beck
       Eastern Michigan Univ. Library
       lib_beck@emunix.emich.edu
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Subject:      Re: Commercial CD Software

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From: "Margaret S. Walker" <WALKER@fauvax.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Commercial CD Software
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    Another commercial vendor for working with the census CD-ROM
    (TIGER too) is Geovision, Inc. (1-800-859-3863) headed by Jeff
    Carter (of Jimmy Carter).  I have received a brochure but have no
    experience with it.  One of my patrons has it and Sammamish and
    says both have useful features.

    Peggy Walker


 Margaret S. Walker              INTERNET: Walker@Acc.Fau.Edu
 Documents Dept.-Library         BITNET: Walker@FAUVAX
 P.O. Box 3092                   Ph.  (407)367-3788
 Florida Atlantic University
 Boca Raton, Fl.   33431
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Subject:      Microfiche Shipment Problem

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 92 08:44:15 CST
From: Robin Gruner <VB7R0018@smuvm1.BITNET>
Organization: Southern Methodist University
Subject:      Microfiche Shipment Problem
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Yet another complaint about the microfiche shipments.  Yesterday, my
assistant was checking on separates and noticed the shipping list for
bill shipment #19 (92-1386-M) had not arrived.  Or so she thought.  She
also checked the shipping list for which we had no separate and found
the shipping list for bill shipment #19 numbered 92-1384-M.  If GPO is
having problems themselves, how are they going to manage shipping list
numbers for contractors?  My suggestion would be to let the contractors
manage their own shipping lists using GPO's format.  B&B would start
1993 with B&B 93-1-M.  This way depositories could know when a shipment
is missing from a contractor.

Robin Gruner
Documents Librarian
Fondren Library
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275-0135
Phone 214/692-2331
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From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      Re: Congressional Record

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From: asevetso@library.Berkeley.EDU (Andrea Sevetson)
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Subject: Re: Congressional Record

UMI sells 'fiche of the bound Congressional Record.
They have an 800 number.
-Andrea
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Subject:      Unaccounted for microfiche included in box shipments

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From: "Indiana State Library; (317) 232-3" <OAWN7U@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Unaccounted for microfiche included in box shipments

The Indiana State Library (a Regional Depository) over the past 3
months or so has collected to date 73 titles and/or serial
issues on microfiche which were distributed in boxes but were
not listed on any of the shipping lists in the boxes.  These
microfiche have been held hoping that they would be listed
on later shipping lists, but this does not appear to be
happening.  Is anyone else having this problem of "extra"
microfiche which are not listed on shipping lists?  I made
photocopies of all the microfiche and sent them to Sheila
McGarr at GPO to see if they are aware of this apparent
mystery.
Doug Conrads, Indiana State Library, (317) 232-3686.
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Subject:      Workshop on Government Information Policy August 6, 1992

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Subject:      USGS OPEN FILE REPORT FILMING ERROR

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Subject:   USGS OPEN FILE REPORT FILMING ERROR

RE: USGS OPEN FILE REPORT FILMING ERROR
The first four preliminary pages from 90-355 (a chemical analysis
dealing with the Yucca Mountain area) were put instead at the
beginning of 90-615 (on Geotrans - a software). So don't get
confused when you start to look at "Geotrans.."; it's stll all
there after the first four pages.
Phil Van
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Subject:      Forwarded mail...

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From LISTSERV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  Mon Jul 27 08:49:51 1992
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From: "Amy Williams" <HVL@nihcu.BITNET>
Date:     Mon, 27 Jul 92  11:47:10 EDT

Recently, Mr. Jamie Love of the Taxpayer Assets project rebroadcast
portions of a message issued by the Office of Business Analysis
about the forthcoming National Economic, Social, and Environmental
Data Bank.  We appreciate his additional publicity.

In addition, in his message he raised two questions.  First, will
the appendices to the Economic Report of the President be included
on the disc?  The answer is YES, of course.  In fact, they are
already included on the prototype disc we issued on April 30th and
will continue to appear in future editions.

His second question is more fundamental and deserves a response
that should be of general interest to the GOVDOC-L community.  His
question is

"Why will the disk cost $95 when it only costs about $2 to press a
disk?"

Yes, it is true that a copy, say the 100th copy, of the NESE.DB
will cost about $2.50, but using the same line of argument the
first copy will cost roughly $35,000 to $40,000.  There are
significant costs incurred in preparing data for electronic
publishing such as staff time, printing charges, and user support.
This latter category is a major expense and OBA has been very
active in conducting training sessions for librarians and other
users, providing telephone support, and holding conferences about
its electronic information products.

As a practical matter, the marginal cost of producing the disc is
a minor part of the total. If the NESE.DB is to be produced at all,
user fees must cover the AVERAGE OR UNIT COST of the disc.  We have
received no appropriated funds to produce this disc.  However, OBA
is gambling that sales volume will rise to the break even point in
18 months; if sales are less we will have to stop the experiment.
If sales rise substantially above the break even point we will
LOWER prices.  Moreover, even at $95 per copy, we feel the NESE.DB
is a bargain with its current content and will be an even better
value as more information is added in future editions.


Finally, how can we sell the NTDB for $35.00?  The Congress
appropriated funds to cover most of the cost of the NTDB; the
NESE.DB has no similar appropriation.

John E. Cremeans
Director
Office of Business Analysis
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