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From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS shareable images, what's wrong with them?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acf3.61050075
Organization: New York University

1, 2 are reaosnably arguable.  3 is false.  the most likely alternative is
to get a run time error NO SUCH SYMBOL-new_routine_name when you run 
an image against an older library and the dynamic linker fails to find the new
thing.  Also without version matching to speak to the changes one can not 
change any semantics except by renaming symbols.  In effect you must put the version
number as a prefix or suffic ont he routine name.

So we gain a little (ability to run against old iamges if they have all the 
entry points / symbols we need) at the expense of having to put the version
numbering into the name space and perpetuate it for all time.
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: uVAX II / RD53 configuration
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:54:12 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

I have just obtained a uVAX II and I need to configure the RD53s in it. I
have the manuals for a different UVAX and they simply do not reflect
reality when it comes to the disk and the RQDX3/RQDXE (they refer to 4 dip
switches on the RD53 - I have RD53s wth 6 jumpers on them).

Can someone tell me how to set up the 6 jumpers at the back of the disks (or
even whether I need to). Similarly, how do you set up the controller for 4
disks (as opposed to 2 disks and an RX50).

If anyone has a clue on this one then please reply directly. I will
summarize to the list if anyone shows the slightest interest in hearing
the results. Neil.
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From: su@SMUP7.ITODYS.JUSSIEU.FR
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: POP server for VMS
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:13:30 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: How to prevent changing protection of file
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:55:37 GMT

In article <1232@se.alcbel.be> mvbr@se.alcbel.be writes:
>
>--
>I am trying to find a way to prevent a user from changing the protection of the
>files he owns. Ideas ?
>I tried playing with CONTROL access, but this does not seem to work.
***********
Why would one want to do this in the first place.  I figure if someone
owns a file they should be able to call the shots on how the protection
should be set on it.

As a suggestion what you can do is to make them create files that is
owned by someone else.


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From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: RE: Bug in LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:34:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: kopc.01GPPW55N0YA8WW0A8
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> > I recently had a problem with a program using the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL
> > RTL routine.  The parameters are: (filename, symbol, value, image) where
> > ...
> 
> I followed this short thread, and another related one: "VMS
> shareable images, what's wrong with them?".  Could someone
> please fill me in on what LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL is useful for?
> I read the manual; it didn't click.

LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL allows "linking at run-time" - you can activate
an image with a bunch of routines at run-time.

Two advantages:

  - If the image only are to be used only at rare occasions, then it
    you can save some image-activation time and memory be loading it
    dynamicaly only when needed. Very usefull.

  - If you only know what image to activate at run-time, then this
    feature is necesarry. This feature can be used to do some fancy
    stuff.

There may be other advanteges, but this was the two that came to my
mind.

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: mookherj@serss0.fiu.edu (The Conqueror)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: How to make "MAKE" utility from the files residing on VMSA.OAC.UCI.EDU
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:57:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: fiu.Bw4sz8.CzM
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


I ftped the files from the site VMSA.OAC.UCI.EDU which are necessary to create
make utility on my computer.  I unpacked the files. But I do not know how to
link those files such that they work properly. Can any one of you send the
information about linking those files together ?

Thanks in advance

-Srini
lingaman@fiu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: wbt@cs.tulane.edu (Bill Thomason)
Subject: UCX V2.0 rsh problem
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:36:37 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-2520]: proteus

I'm having trouble running the rsh from ucx version 2.0.  When I issue and
rsh from the VMS system to a Unix system, I get the following message:

UCX RSH is being reported an error:Login incorrect.

If I try the other direction (unix to vms), my command line is returned to
me almost immediately.

Nothing is registerred in the ucx$rshd_startup.log file.

The rsh service is enabled.

Could any point to possible problems?

many thanks,
-bill
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From: HARTTREE@vax1.elon.edu (Matthew Harttree)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Is there a way to display gif files on VT340
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:36:12 GMT
Organization: Elon College
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.elon.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

I there a way to display gif files (or translate them into TEK) on a VT340??

(short simple and to the point)

Matt
Harttree@vax1.elon.edu

Please reply by email
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: RE: Reclaiming deleted space within a file
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:49:07 GMT


Why don't you just use RMS indexed files with a single key (the relative
record number)?  RMS will take care of all the reclamation problems, including
the tricky stuff with interlocking shared write access, for you.

--PSW
From: ROSSJI@JS-JTF.AF.MIL ("Jim Ross")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: 4000 VLC Window options
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:53:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Your most flexible approach is to build multiple resource files and point
your invocation of the program to it from the command line. Decterms go
something like this (from memory) 
$create/term/resource=blue_bkgrd_monitor_label_decterm.dat

For decterms however, I prefer the modifiability of direct command line 
options like:
$create/term/window=(x=10,y=20,background=skyblue,label=monitor)

Jim Ross
From: donham@dbldog.enet.dec.com (Perry Donham)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Silly little DECnet question
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: donham@super.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Education/Training


In article <9210161842.AA25187@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, MORRIS@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL
("Jay Morris") writes:
|>Hopefully the answer to this question is going to help me prove a point to
|>someone.  If you have a system that is not on a network, does not have DECnet
|>running, and you do a SHOW NET, what would be the result?  Our's here have
|>DECnet running so I can't test it here.


$SHOW NET
%SHO-I-NONET, Network unavailable

Perry Donham
VMS Course Development
From: GAVRON@ALPHA.SUNQUEST.COM (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Is this really true?  Let's get INFO-VAX involved in petitioning DECUS board members to quit being fat porkbellies...
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:31:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: Help with VMS TCP/IP?
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:15:24 GMT

In article <Bvw7sL.29H@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>I'm in the process of attempting to connect a Unix and VMS machine together
>with TCP/IP. Unfortunitly the Vax only has decnet software installed. 
>What packages are available (commercial and/or freeware) that allow
>a vax under VMS to handle TCP/IP? It doesn't need to be very fancy, telnet
>and ftp support is all thats needed.
>
>Thanks
>Larry
************
Their is TCP/IP Services for VMS (otherwise known as UCX) from DEC,
Multinet from TGV and a version of TCP/IP from Wollongon.


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From: ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag)
Subject: Re: Where is UUDECODE, TAR, and UNCOMPRESS for VMS ?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:51:14 GMT
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In <81775@ut-emx.uucp> tai@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu writes:

> I know UUDECODE, TAR, and UNCOMPRESS originated with UNIX, but I
> work with uuencode, compressed tar files on a vms machine. I know
> these utilities exist for the vax, but where ???
> 
> p.s. What ftp sites have lots of VAX stuff ??


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From: system@NIUHEP.PHYS.NIU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: where can I get FONTMAP for ghostscript
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:14:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi,
    I FTPed ghostscript 2.5.2 (and fonts) from wuarchive but couldn't find
a file called FONTMAP that is apparently of paramount importance.  Can
anybody give me a clue?
Robert Morphis

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.misc
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: RAM Disk for VMS?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:41:23 GMT

In article <3843@eastman.UUCP>, hdmiller@kodak.com writes:
> Good morning!  We have an pair of applications running here in our group that
> communicate with each other via a file on disk.  Up until now, the processes
> have been CPU bound, but with faster and faster machines the processes are now
> disk bound.  The question is: is software available (either through
> configuration in VMS or an add-on product) that allows configuration of a
> section of memory as a RAM disk?  This disk space does not need to be large 
> (1-2 megabyte OK).  RAM is available on the machine without swapping.  We have
> 20 VAXstations in this situation, so a hardware solution is probably not
> feasible (we would rewrite the code first).  Thanks in advance for any clue you
> might provide!
> 
As a quick check, try setting global buffers, and defered write. This should
give you some idea of the benefit you can get without having to load drivers
etc. Glen Everhart has a Ram Disk for VMS, see the latest SIG tape stuff.

~Paul
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <2276@sunny.lif.de>, koch@lifra.lif.de writes...
#In article <00961A1E.99D1C140.9421@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU>, spinillo@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU writes:
#>Can anyone help me determine a monetary figure to charge for CPU time?
#>We have never had to do this, but we need to determine a pro-rated figure
#>for some documentation. We are running a VAX8250 with 2 ra82 disks.
#>
#>please send replies to my personal mailbox.
# 
#I have the same problem, so please post any ideas. Are there some basic 
#rules how to get such values?

	Oh hey:
		One cpu second   = $0.00001
		One page fault   = $0.00001
		Stupid questions = $10

	That will be ten dollars please.  For both of you.

	Send checks to address below.

#Thanks. Hans.
#-- 
#Hans-Joachim Koch, Computer department of Lahmeyer International

	Ehud

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ONASCH@IRAV17.ira.uka.de (Bernd Onasch)
Subject: Re: WATCHER
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:00:07 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25
X-Testmessage: %SYS-F-HLT, system halted.

In <9210071045.AA25704@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CXNHJP@manadon-engineering-college.ac.uk writes:

# Does any body out there use the idle process killer WATCHER, if so, have they
# had any problems with it eating up 70% of CPU time constantly !!!

I use that one - and i have no problems with it.

I just patched two "features" in:
1) Append always to an existing logfile (i hate new logs on every boot)
2) Do not inswap processes that are outswapped (they are surely not used now)

I have "restart time" of WATCHER set to 2 minutes (instead of the default of
5 minutes).

Using this setup it needs really LOW CPU-time.
(Thanks to Matt Madison for this program)

# Are there any other good idle process killers you can recommend ?

As far as i remember, there are no other good idle killers.

Bernd Onasch, Informatik Rechnerabteilung [IRA], University of Karlsruhe [FRG]
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From: rankin@EQL.CALTECH.EDU (Pat Rankin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Q: Assign value of EXAM to a symbol?
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:46:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I have a symbol defined as:   $ BST :== EXAM/BYTE/DEC %x800044C0
> And when I type 'BST', it executes an EXAM/BYTE/DEC %x800044C0.
>
> What I would really like to do is assign the value @ %x800044C0 to a
> variable for processing/logging/etc.
>
> Is there anyway to do this without writing the output to a file and then
> parsing the file?

     I don't think you can do it with the EXAMINE command, but it is
possible to use f$fao() to peek at specific memory locations.
	$ bst_val = f$cvui(0,16,f$fao("!AD",2,%x800044C0))
will do what you're asking.  f$fao("!AD") specifies a counted ASCII
string--in this case 2 bytes long found at location 800044C0.  f$cvui()
is used here to treat the first 16 bits of its argument as binary.
(The interactive-job-count cell is a word, not a byte, so you should
have been using EXAMINE/WORD instead of EXAMINE/BYTE.)

     I consider this technique to fall into the "you don't really want
to do this" category, but it can be used when necessary.  Hardwiring
such addresses is subject to breakage with each VMS upgrade.

		Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: egger@ubevx1.unibe.ch (Martin Egger)
Subject: Re: Which VMS-Version for VS4000/90 ?
Reply-To: EGGER@ID.unibe.ch
Organization: University of Bern, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.091317.24207@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>, weikl@ee3ds1.ilt.fhg.de (Dr.B.Weikl) writes:

>Hi everybody!
>Does anyone know which version of VMS is needed for a VAXstation 4000/90?
>Will VMS 5.5-1 do the job or do I need 5.5-2 ?

You will need at least 5.5-2HW (update just for support of new hardware as
the VS4000-90) or the full 5.5-2.


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From: dfilip@colorne.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: vms posix
Keywords: posix
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:33:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

Todd Wipke writes :

>I am interested in people's opinions about vms posix.  We are developing
>C programs that will run in Ultrix and VMS environments interchangeably.
>It looks like we have to give up indexed-sequential files which we used
>on vms.  I would like to hear the good and "other" comments about vms
>posix and your experience using it, or attempts thereof.

You mean other than the fact that it is v-e-r-y--s-l-o-w-!!!

Perhaps someone can enlighten me, but it appears that posix is basically
just a shell on top of VAX/VMS. If that is the case, than what really is
the point ?

I just today had a conversation with a DEC support guy about 'Open Systems'
and his statement was that 'Open Systems are built, not bought'. That seems
to make some sense to me : I can write a C program under VAX/VMS that, as long
as I use Unix and stdio calls, will compile cleanly under Ultrix. Likewise,
I can just as easily include $QIO calls and $CREPRC calls which will make my
code entirley non-portable on anything BUT VAX/VMS. It's my choice.

Why am I better developing under posix than VMS ? And if not, then why would
I want to develop in a much slower environment ? (and, if I REALLY wanted to
use Unix-like command syntax, then what was wrong with DECshell, which has been
out for a good number of years ?)

Although perhaps I am being a bit obtuse, and perhaps intentionally, the reason
why I like to develop in a VMS environment is because of all the non-portable
extras, like the CLI$ and RMS routines, which cannot be supported under an
'Open' system. On the other hand, if I am concerned with portability, why not
develop under OSF-1 or one of the many U*IX's where I can get a much better 
price/performance ratio ? 

In all seriousness, can someone please tell me what I am missing ?

Regards,

Dave.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: How do you determine   DECterm != vt300  ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.134841.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu>, fairfield@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes...
>    Add a check for the physical device name:
> 
>	PHYDEV = F$GETDVI(term,"TT_PHYDEVNAM")
> 
>Then search for "_FT" (DecWindows/Motif) or "_TW" (non-Motif DecWindows)
>as the first characters in the string:
> 
>     $	IF (F$LOCA("_FT",PHYDEV).EQ.0) .OR. (F$LOCA("_TW",PHYDEV).EQ.0)
>     $  THEN
>	{DECterm} stuff
>     $  ENDIF

This isn't too accurate.  Lots of PHOTO-type stuff or other things use either
the FT pseudoterminal or the (undocumented) TW pseudoterminal, and I
suspect such usages will increase.

-Mike
From: grant@erich.triumf.ca (Peter A. Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Problems with different sized fonts with VXT2000s
Date: 13 Oct 1992 11:41 PDT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


I've been trying to get in touch with someone from DEC about this, but I'm
sure we're not the only people that have run into problems with different
sized fonts on VXT2000s.  Presumably, it's an issue related to the different
sizes of monitors attached to them - they are lower-res, but it's a problem
for us as our applications "look different" on these displays.  Text no 
longer lines up with corresponding widgets, etc.

Have others run into this?  Do you know what is required to get them to use
the "same" font?  Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

Please respond directly to me and I'll summarize if there is interest.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Looking for SCA-2167A expertise
From: tas@alpha.dasd.honeywell.com (Todd A Sorensen)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:40:16 MST
Organization: Honeywell Flight Management Systems
Nntp-Posting-User: tas

I am a Senior engineer looking for someone who has used SCA to generate 2167A
SDD Chapter 4 documentation.  We are using LSE/SCA version V3.1-23 running
under VMS 5.5.

I would like to automate as much as possible, since the code is subject to
frequent changes and I want to capture those changes automatically via SCA
reporting.   I have played a bit with the INTERNALS report and took a quick
look at its TPU procedures with the sca interface, but don't have the SCA or
TPU knowledge yet to make the changes needed.  I am sure that I could do it,
but I don't have the time right now - that's why I would like to find someone
who has already done it and use their procedures if possible.

Posts or email is fine for a reply.

Thanks!

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From: ALLEN@ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS Posix and Decwindows "observation"
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:24:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>On a system with DECwindows (Motif Vx.y) and VMS Posix V1.x, if you do the
>following from DCL:

>	$ POSIX <CR>
>	^T ^T		!  That's a couple of control-t's immediately after 
			!  you hit Return.

>You'll be dumped into a VMS login which will be attached to a DECwindows FTA
>device.

	Hey I just installed Posix V1.1 this morning and it doesn't have
	to be a ^T 8-).  I accomplished the same thing a couple of times
	when first testing the installation.  I note that the Posix Users
	Guide cautions against ANY keyboard input between the time you type
	the CR and the time you get the "psx>" prompt.

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