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From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Sorry (was Re: Damned if you do...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.095708.3307@acme.gen.nz>,
kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes...
>> [...denial of said angst...]
>FUCK OFF!! Just fuck off. I'm fucking sick of all the fucking whining fucking
>maroons on this fucking newsgroup whinging all the fucking time about someone
>else's fucking problems not being angst. Get a fucking clue. FUCK!

Whoa. Hold on there. I may have been a little harsh, but I NEVER
said that she had no angst. If you look back, you'll see that I
just said that its hard someone without a job, SO, etc., to have
sympathy for someone who did. Well, I may have said a little more
than that, but not once did I say definitevely that she had no angst.

>That's the whole point of this newsgroup. It, like the rest of the net, and
>our short and pointlessly insignificant lives, has no meaning to the world
>at large. None. Nada. Nothing. Because the world at large doesn't have any
>meaning either. Nor does the small collection of planets it sits amongst. The
>universe just doesn't care, and several billion years from now it'll all be
>over as entropy reaches a maximum.
>So keep posting your angst, or not. We don't really care, that's the whole
>problem. You're just insignificant. But at *least* spare us the agony of you
>trying to deny the futility of it all by presenting your problems as somehow
>greater than mine. There are thousands of people at this very moment all
>over the world *dying* after having endured short and meaningless lives.

Yeah... I have to agree with this. I was wrong to be so harsh, I
suppose. I apologise for my tone, but I stand by the content.
We all like to comment on the angst of others, but this group
shouldn't be a flamefest. Primarily my fault. Sorry, Laura.
Sorry, angsters.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:38:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.095708.3307@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

>
>ObAngstIII: And when he asked me if I'd enjoyed crawling to work in the
>            typical Massey traffic jam at 7:45am, I replied that I hadn't in
>            the slightest, and I presumed that he'd been asleep at the time,
>            and cast minor aspersions on his parentage. Oh no, he replied, he
>            hadn't been *asleep*. And he laughed. Bastard!

Shit!  There's traffic in NZ?  Another fantasy blown to hell.

For the lst ten years I've had this image of New Zealand as a peaceful
quiet place with few people.  I've thought that when it gets too
crowded and miserable in California, and all the wilderness is
destroyed, and American politics gets too fascist and the brownshirts
are goose-stepping in the streets and they're putting people like
me in 're-education' camps that maybe, just maybe, they'd let
me into New Zealand and I could live out my life shearing sheep
in a country full of women with unbearably sexy accents.

I guess not.  At least not the part about few people, anyhow.
They probably wouldn't let me in anyway.  I might accidentaly bring
in whatever disease it is that makes mainstream American culture
vapid and shallow.


Well, at least y'all get all sorts of sexy motorcycles that we can't
buy here in the People's Republic of California.

--
            Eric Murray                 ericm@microunity.com
In this game, the winner is also the loser, and the judge's decisions are final
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Somebody change this subject heading!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:23:05 GMT

In article <2106@ontek.com> mikey@ontek.com (euphausia superba) writes:
>(Apologies for quoting such a large chunk.)
>In alt.angst, lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura Lemay) writes:
>| 
>| Here's some examples of my current angst:

[long list of angst inducers deleted...]


>In alphabetical order:
>
>  "I" was used in the above text 62 times.
>  "me" was used 8 times.
>  "my" was used 12 times.
>  "myself" was used 2 times.
>
>Not that you're self-centered, but mentioning anything 84 times
>in a row must indicate some sort of obsession.  For example, if
>someone were to mention pez 84 times, you might think he or she
>was a bit unbalanced.  Just some underwater perspective from...


What an interesting analysis, especially the inclusion of "pez" as an
analogy.  I think the big difference between the word "pez" and the word "I"
as it applies to writing is that you will not find in any composition
text a basic rule that states that a good writer refrains from using the
word "pez".

Personally pez, I find pez that "pez" seems to pez permeate my thoughts.
Especially pez when I have a pez lot of time on pez my hands.  Tell pez
me, do you pez think that there's pez something wrong with pez me?


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Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."
From: kimy@monteverdi.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: North Carolina angst (was Re: Lotto angst)
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:02:32 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Jul25.030628.10844@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>Or maybe we will be allowed to have more than one decent Senator
>from our state.  Naaahhhhh......  (in fact, we stand to lose the
>one decent one we DO  have this year...)


But I've heard that Jesse is now up and about and driving around
in his car.  Oh, you mean he shouldn't be driving around in his
condition?


yong-mi
marrou in '92
From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.145858.15558@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa C D Carstensen) writes...
>Oh, geez, I hate it when you guys play my-angst-is-worse-than-your-angst.

Did I say this? Did I come close to saying this? No. I just
said its hard to accept for someone in (for example) my position.
Comparatively, I think her problems are rather trivial and cannot
comprehend how not getting a bigger raise causes angst. I'm not
saying there's NO angst, I'm just saying its hard to see. Just
as maybe my life would seem fine to a Pakistani AIDS patient.

>So do you.  There are ALWAYS options.  It's quite possible that the options
>available to you are not what you'd consider good (or even feasable) solutions
>to your problems.  The same is probably true of Laura's options.

If it isn't feasible, it isn't an option, is it?

>> For crying out
>>loud, how can one have angst over a relationship where the only
>>worry is that you might cheat on the other person???????
>It could be an indication of an underlying problem.  Perhaps Laura is afraid
>that her attraction to other men is a sign that there is something wrong   
>in her current relationship.  Maybe she really wants to be in a committed
>relationship with her current beau, but feels that there is something lacking
>in her to keep the commitment and thus she is is doomed to never have a long-
>term committed relationship.  Or maybe she feels that attraction to other
>men is perfectly natural but is terrified of hurting her SO.  That seems like
>plenty to worry about to me (Sorry, Laura - didn't mean to speculate on your
>personal life per se).   

This is all contrary to what she herself said, that she is perfectly
content with the relationship. Her problem SEEMS to be being too
shallow to stay faithful.

>Grrrrrrrrrr.

Very eloquent.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:08:14 GMT

v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty) writes:
: In article <1992Jul21.103951.28850@mr.med.ge.com>,
: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes...
: 
: >COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If these aren't the 4 major angst groups,
: >what are?  You have the job angst, the fear angst, the SO angst, the sex
: >angst, what else is there?  If you hafe sterner stuff, I don't believe that
: >it has been brought out here.
: 
: I don't really disagree with you, its just that I find it hard to
: stomach complaints for someone whose problems in those areas are
: so trivial.

Trivial?  TRIVIAL?  Perhaps to me, your angst seems trivial.  To her, it
is real, heavy duty, industrial strength angst, that she lives with
EVERY DAY, knowing that the situation is not bound to change in the
forseeable future.  That is the essence of angst, which, by the way,
is that horrid orange-green colour they used to have in the boxes of
Crayola crayons.

I think the constructive thing to do is to empathise with the angst of
others, who are sharing a very personal thing with the rest of us.  With
understanding comes, perhaps, alleviation of some of the angst, that of
the 'nobody understands me' angst.  OK, you know who you are, who else
feels this way sometimes?  When you are wallowing in your own world of
feelings, and not sharing them, it's a thousand times worse than having
somebody who can say "I understand", or even "I don't understand, but I'm
listening."

Wow.  Where did all that come from?  I sound like a psych major.  Thank God
I didn't use the word 'catharsis' in there!

Angst:  Having an e-mail discussion with someone from many states away, hoping
that they are as interested in you as you are in them...and hoping that they
aren't turned off by your angsts!



--

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hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: The White Woman's Burden
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:04:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Jul21.070446.27161
Organization: Friends of Dirt

Rachel writes:
>ObAngst: i am wondering if i am just being made use of to pass the time...
>i find it so difficult to believe that someone would be interested in
>me.

Rachel, you have my deepest sympathy for your good fortune in finding
yourself a human pinata to play with.

Whether or not you're being used, you'll manage to convince yourself
that you are, and you'll dump him, making a point to be rude and
disrespectful in the process since that's what an asshole like him
deserves.  Problem solved.

How do you think you'll ever get along with anyone?  You've got to do
something about that bitterness and bad attitude of yours.

Oh, this isn't alt.start.a.vendetta.against.someone.of.the.opposite.
sex.because.you're.in.a.bad.mood?  My mistake.  But I think it's time
that we stopped hiding our mutual hatred.

"Oh, but I *don't* hate you!  I don't even *know* you!" you say,
pretending to try to look innocent.  But you do, of course.  No one
could learn to hate me so thoroughly and so quickly as the women I
meet do.  It's clear that women -- all women -- have built up a
lifetime's worth of malice towards me before I've even seen their
faces.

Like always, some silly woman, one who looks a lot like you, apparently
decided that since she no longer wanted to answer "yes" to any of my
questions, I wasn't worthy of a "no", and she didn't respond.  I don't
ask for a treatise, just a sentence -- any sentence -- containing the
word "no", so that I don't waste my time.

I tried to decide that she must've been terribly vicious (or, with a
nod to Teresa's rationalizations for not saying no, terribly
condescending) to decide that someone who's no longer worth dating is
no longer worth common courtesy.  The only problems with that are a)
later she sorta indirectly apologized [I think] and b) I'm pretty sure
that the previous woman who did it to me wasn't a serial killer.

In other words, I probably couldn't establish adequate legal grounds
for stabbing her.  And besides, I'd feel self-conscious asking her for
a date afterwards.  So I'm stuck talking to myself (and to you, Miss
Disease-Ridden Pig-Sucking Leech).

Well, I feel better now.  I know how bad that makes you feel.

Pickup line:  "Hey babe, let's pretend we're divorced."

-- emb, member, National Organization for Women's Protection
Anti-Sexism Task Force.  If you find any evidence of sexism in this
newsgroup, please let me know immediately.  Discretion, fairness, and
sensitivity are guaranteed.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Bible Angsti..Once apon a time...Male female RELATION*
Keywords: sam
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:34:18 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

Hey I read soc.religion... groups and alt.atheism and talk.religion.misc 
and......
And I come to alt.angst to get away from all that stuff
Give it a rest - there are more apposite groups

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From: Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall)
Subject: Re: Lotto angst
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:06:28 GMT

Oh please.  You don't know what Lotto angst is.  We do not even *have*
a lottery in North Carolina.  The nearest one is in Virginia, a 90
mile drive away.  And of course when I see the winning numbers in
their lottery every week, I think, "Yeah, THAT'S the one I would
have bet on!"  

I did actually intend to bet 665 (my old office telephone extension
number) in the Illinois lottery while visiting Chicago one time,
but had something more important to do (I thought), and guess what 
number won that day!

Gee it must be nice to live in a place with a lottery.  Maybe
we will get one someday.  Or maybe we will get indoor plumbing.
Or maybe we will be allowed to have more than one decent Senator
from our state.  Naaahhhhh......  (in fact, we stand to lose the
one decent one we DO  have this year...)

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From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: From Russia with ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:20:25 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Jul21.095548.11922@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>
>Hi Rachel  (Sepulchral tones)

>
>About your problem, my father is a teacher and he occasionally suffers from 
>the same sort of thing.  So long as you are sure that you have given them an
>equal opportunity, taking their disadvantage into account, it is unfair and 
>immoral to 'help' them through their work.  If they miss opportunities then it
>lies with them.  I am _sure_ you know this, but a little reassurance sometimes
>helps.  I presume they can always retake the/a course, but I know less than
>nothing about academia in your adopted country.  Isn't too hot to think 
>straight, most of the time in Arizona?  Aren't you prohibited from topless
>bathing, and aren't the speed limits 55mph?  That, I believe, is the limit of
>my knowledge on your area.  I'm just an ignorant, socially damaged, Englishman.
yes, it is too hot to think in arizona--in fact, it's 107 right now..
(and if anyone says "it's a dry heat", i'll garrot them--you try living here in
the monsoon season.

the young lady in question has already taken my course (from other teachers) 
twice, and failed...but i am given to understand that she'll be back..


with my luck, in my next batch of students, and she'll try and shoot me in the 
back while i talk about photons...

bah.


--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: In response to the great angst debate...
From: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'the Bard' Hobbs)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

To summarize:

- Laura angsts about her job, lovelife, motorcycle, etc.

- Matthew says "You think you've got problems? I don't *have* any of that
 stuff!"

- Everybody gets mad with Matthew for bringing down Laura's angst.

My two cents worth - having the things you want doesn't make your life any less
angstful. You stop angsting about getting them, and start angsting (even
harder, in some cases) about getting them. For instance, for 3 years up to
yesterday I spent my life worrying how to get a relationship going, and how to
get a band together. Yesterday, the gods smiled on me and I started to achieve
both of those ambitions. Now I gotta angst even more about whether they're what
I really wanted or needed, about when they're going to collapse and what should
I do then, and about whether my potential SO/new band colleagues will end up 
hating me sooner or later.

Life is definitely more fun, but more angstful with it. Go figure it out.

ObActualAngst: Talking about motorcycles reminds me of my friend Deanne, who 
was killed on one 15 days ago, and I don't know who's going to be next. The
next stationwagon might have my name on it.

ObMoreAngst: This damn system doesn't have a large enough text buffer and I
keep losing letters.
--
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OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of the Flying Spiral
DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and did not serve in Securitate for 15 years.

Anthony Hobbs		the Bard		hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Anthony Hobbs		the Bard		hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of the Flying Spiral - Viva Qwax!
romantic poet - synth player extraordinaire - kate bush is god (she really is)
DISCLAIMER: The Wellington City Council agree with everything I say... NOT!!!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: free will
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:32:48 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

I'm becoming convinced we don't have it.
That idea gives me existential angst

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: shulick@blackfoot.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: LIFE.  How wonderfully fucked up.
Originator: shulick@blackfoot
Reply-To: shulick@blackfoot.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:36:35 GMT


So, are we all depressed & pissed off at the world?  Life is really fucked.
Some things happened that I don' want to talk about right now, but why the
hell be optimistic when so many depressing things can happen?  I was really
pessimistic once, and then I got better for some reason..  Well, it's not
worth it.  Time to be pessimistic again.  Fuck people.  You can never tell
what they're going to do or how they're going to make you feel.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov)
Date: 27 Jul 1992 19:01:46 -0500
 <Bruvvt.I9B@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Jul23.200051.20852@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <14184@borg.cs.unc.edu>
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

kimy@monteverdi.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:



>A friend and I were discussing something similar.  We agreed that
>many academic departments in universities were being unethical in
>letting so many people major in those fields.  Departments in
>question: political science, sociology, psychology, English, history
>(add your own peeve if you wish).  How many of these people will have
>decent-paying jobs after they graduate with their bachelor's degrees?
>How many of these will go to graduate school because they could not
>find jobs, and after receiving the Ph.D. in English, again not be
>able to find a job because of the glut of Ph.D.'s in English?

Just to remind you. The USA is the only country in the world(not
counting some other countries with a different education and degree
awarding systems) where you can get a "decent-paying" job with a
bachelorate. For the most of the countries in Europe, there is NO WAY
you can get such a job with a B.A or B.Sc (unless you are something
exceptional). And if you are, you go for a masters at least.

>For those people who are studying these areas because they love
>the subject, and desire to pursue further research, I don't see
>any problems.  But how many of these people are there in a typical
>political science department, for example?

How many? Probably not very many. But should be that the real concern?
If I'm good at what I'm doing and I know it and the people around know
it, how do you want me to feel about somebody who is just not good
enough for the same position but eventually takes my job? It's a tough
world out there, I agree. But why somebody should have it easier?
In Europe and Japan the selection is done before you enter the
university. In USA they call it "elitary" system. Ok, here everybody
can go to college, but the selection is done on job market level.
So, do you think that becuase you have a bachelorate, you automatically
deserve a "decent paid" job?

>At my undergraduate institution I noticed how certain departments
>were quite "cruel" about getting rid of students they did not think
>would be successful in that area; among them were math, CS, and
>engineering.  The professors let you know at the introductory course
>level whether they think you should continue in that major.  Having
>known people who limped along in some of these majors, graduatee with 2.0
>GPA's, and were not able to find jobs, I wonder if indeed this practice
>of early discouragement is "cruel."

That's not cruel. That's what I do as a TA to the undergads attending my
class. If their performance after certain time spent in the class is not
satisfactory I just advise them to drop the class. It's easier bothsides

>yong-mi
>sue the bastards

the NEXUS
and hope that you'll win...
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