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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:30:30 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan7.110007@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>, richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter) writes:
> Thanks to all those who replied. I was thinking specifically of the 
> Great Exhibition. I can't remember if the Doc's been there or not. It
> strikes me as the sort of place he'd love to visit. It's my idea, hands
> off. I've got some wonderful first hand material in the form of my 
> great great grandfather's diary of this event and I'd love to work it 
> into a story. Right, there goes another 300 hours or so of intensive
> research and work.
> 
> Happy Halibut VIII

Then work this in too...
The Doctor did intend to visit the Great Exhibition of 1851 in "Time-Flight"
as a special treat to cheer Nyssa and Tegan up after Adric's death, but 
they never made it when the TARDIS nearly collided with the time travelling
Concorde from Heathrow Airport.  The Doctor had a particular interest in
popping over to Lord's Cricket Ground whilst there to see a few overs and
wondered if the Lion would be bowling.  That last sentence may mean something
to you, but I'm just an uncultured American and know little of cricket save
what I've picked up from "Who" and "All Creatures Great and Small."

Steven.K.Manfred



> 
> P.S. anyone wanting a copy of my last effort "Two's Company" can't have
> one at the moment coz it's awful. Well, it's not that bad but it needs 
> some work. It resurrects Morbius, involves all sorts of attacks on
> Gallifrey by said megalomaniac and two Doctors. Oh no, two Doctors, I
> can just tell you're gonna hate it........
>
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Survival
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:33:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <brad.726365823@hawk>, brad@hawk.adied.oz.au (Bradley Edelman) writes:
> 
> I was watching Survival last night.  Near the end the Master takes the Doctor
> back to the other planet to fight it out.  Then the Doctor is teleported back
> to Earth.  Does that mean the Doctor became an animal too and could "go home"
> (even though Earth isn't his home)?
> 
> Brad.
> Australian Defence Industries Ltd,
> Enterprise Unit 3, Technology Park,
> Bentley, WA 6102, Australia.
> Tel: (09) 333 8888.  Fax: (09) 333 8889.

Yes, at the end the Doctor was also an animal.  Look at his eyes and teeth
closely when he raises the skull and you can see they've changed.

He too teleported "home," to the TARDIS like Ace before him.  And he 
probably didn't materialize inside it (goes for Ace too) because of its
normal dimensional defenses.

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications)
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Reply-To: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:11:00 +0000


> The Doctor had a particular interest in
> popping over to Lord's Cricket Ground whilst there to see a few
> overs and wondered if the Lion would be bowling.

The only famous cricketter of this time, to my knowledge, was the 
great W.G.Grace. I do not know if he was nicknamed "The Lion" but it 
wouldn't surprise me.


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Software engineer (datacomms) for Cray Network Systems. Married to Caroline.
Baby daughter Sophie (b. 3/11/92). Hobbies: Dr Who, FRPG, SF, Curry,
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: The Valeyard-regeneration or incarnation WAS Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:16:17 GMT

There is some problem on understanding the Valeyard and I have found its source
In the first American Telecast the Master says in Ultimate Foe "The Valeyard 
is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your 
twelfth and final regeneration." {A friend's VCR and my own Audio recording
conferm the REGENERATION as does the 1989 American printing of both 
Ultimate Foe and the Doctor Who Programme Guide (Page 165)}
NOW here is where it gets messy.  My friend has two recordings of
Ultimate Foe; the reason is because he was missing some sceens due to
eratic starting times and kept the old version in case he messed up again.
The result he discovered that there are TWO versions of Ultimate Foe.  In
the later version the Master says "The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the
darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final 
incarnation."

So WHICH video version is Canon?  My program guide and book version of the
show say the first version is, but you are all sighting the second version.
Comments and solutions are welcome.
The Doctor Who Programme Guide is (C) 1989 and ISBN 0-426-20342-9
My Ultimate Foe cover is gone so I don't know what its ISBM number is.
From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:10:55 GMT
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If he gets the celery for the first time in Castrovalva, he definately
replaces it in Visitation, but I'm sure he replaces it again after that.
I must look at that vid again and see exactly what happens.

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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: New Adventures in the Children's section
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:54:56 GMT

There now follows a lecture in which Mr Richard Salter DHH
(Doctorate in Happy Halibuting) talks about the declining 
morals of todays society:

This is something that's annoyed me and a couple of mates. Many
bookshops in our area of the UK stuff the New Adventures in the
children's department. Apart from the possibility that one could
get arrested for hanging around the children's department in a 
raincoat, the subject matter of Love and War and, in particular,
Transit. Both contain various four letter words, Transit more than
the others, sex (both heterosexual and homosexual), lots more 
violence than the Beeb would have allowed on TV and more besides.
They can hardly be classed as Children's books and stuck alongside
Nancy Drew.
While I personally appreciate the more adult approach taken by the 
New adventures, I do think there should be some sort of general
policy that they should be placed in the Sci Fi/Fantasy section.
Am I just getting old and stuffy (hell, I'll be 19 this year) or
doesn't anybody have any morals anymore?
These books are not for children IMHO. Just thought I'd make that
frighteningly clear.

Happy Halibut II
From: is_b420@ceres.kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Leena
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:25:35 -0000
Organization: Kingston University, Kingston-upon-Thames
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One thing to note everyone: it is LEELA, and not LEENA.

just a small point...

Brendan Rooney.
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:18:14 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1993Jan7.162711.587@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>Additionally, I don't see why you think the Valeyard stole the Keeper's
>body at the end of "Foe."  He still looks like he did before.  If he had
>stolen the body of the Keeper, he should look like the Keeper, as the
>Master looked like Tremas at the end of "Keeper of Traken."  (lots of
>Keepers about in this aren't there?)  

Hey! Hey! Hey!

Many Keepers, perhaps, but not I -- >the< Keeper!

Sheesh!

All this talk stealing Keeper bodies makes me feel a bit paranoid!

--
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: That 'Origin of the Valeyard' thingy - anybody got it?...
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:02:15 GMT

Could someone who has a copy of that fairly long 'True Origin of the
Valeyard' article (or whatever it was called...) that someone posted a few
days ago please repost it, or preferably e-mail it to me so as to avoid
wasting bandwidth... I'd like to have a peek at it... 

Thanks in advance...
Daniel.
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From: nitro9@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nitro-9)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: A message from Mr. Ryan K. Johnson (Repost)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:07:25 GMT
Organization: "There's a Penguin on the Tele- of Baton Rouge"
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By request of the great one himself, here is a little message
from our favourite parody-maker:


*********************************************************


A message from Ryan K. Johnson:

I would just like to announce that effective immediately,
my four Dr. Who videos with a female Doctor ("Wrath of
Eukor," "Visions of Utomu," "Pentagon West" and "Broken 
Doors") as well as Star Trek: The Pepsi Generation, are 
hereby OUT OF PRINT. I will be unable to make copies 
any longer as I am moving to England for a year. Any
tapes sent to my Post Office box in Seattle will be
returned unopened. I regret any inconvenience this may
cause anyone and I appreciate the support I have received 
from USENET readers over the past several years. Keep 
your eyes peeled in the "Mystery Science Theater 3000" 
room in late January for news on how to see my latest
project. Thanks, and good-bye.


************************************************************



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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: isbn update/new adventure
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:00:19 EST

 I found it. Sorry!

-> Richard P. Kernin requested:
->
-> Entries Missing ISBNs:

-> The Ultimate Evil             Target
->               ^^^^ Foe? ----------------------------> 0-426-20329-1

 Sorry. My error. the ISBN is:                           0-426-20338-0

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: chips@eskimo.com (:crp:)
Subject: Image of the Fendahl
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:37:28 GMT

I just saw the episode this weekend. My basic reaction to the plot is: HUH?
Can anyone explain:
		What happened when the Doctor went back in time to when
		the 5th planet was destroyed?
		What is a time loop?
		The two hypothesis on how the fendahl affected evolution?
		What the fendahl plan was?
I got more , but getting answers to these will at least give me a basic. thnks.

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From: lizb@banyan.com
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Organization: Banyan Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:37:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.113459.11090@midway.uchicago.edu> das0@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>And as far as human/Time Lord compatability goes, let's not forget Susan's
>marriage to the guy in "Dalek Invasion of Earth", shall we?  Boy, that girl
>sure does know how to create continuity problems, doesn't she? :-)

Well, there's also Leela and Andred (unless you subscribe to the view
that Andred is just a Gallifreyan, as opposed to a Time Lord, if there's
any difference).  But physical compatibility doesn't necessarily mean
genetic compatibility.  A more interesting question is whether Susan
and/or Leela could have borne children.

What do you think?  Are there little half-human/half-Time Lords running
around the galaxy?

Liz
lizb@banyan.com



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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Re: Constants a Movie should observe
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:10:18 GMT

Personally I don't give a damn about the conventions. I just want to see
a movie that doesn't wildly deviate from the series, but which tries out
loads of new things. It might be just what the show needs to breath a new
lease of life into it.

Plus the script has got to be good. If it isn't, it'll kill Who for anyone
who wasn't a fan already.

I see the film as a way of regenerating (I know, I know) interest in a 
series who's (Yes the puns *will* stop) ratings have been flagging before
cancellation.

Doctor Who needs a kickstart, something new, like a new, better TARDIS (as
was suggested), a more adult, horror type appeal (without being to violent
etc, Who is supposed to be a children's show) with a little bit more menace,
A new Doctor who can be quite nasty when he wants to be, a decent companion
(I won't make comparisons with old companions or we'll be here all night),
A new enemy and perhaps a cameo appearance from the Cybermen (but not the 
Daleks, they've had their day(s) and should be placed quietly back on the
shelf). It was Earthshock that boosted Doctor Five's ratings due to it's
appearance of having a large budget, and the reintroduction of the 
Cybermen. They've helped the show before, why not again.

Gee, this was going to be such a short little post.....

Happy Halibut III

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From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
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Subject: Re: Survival
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:47:34 GMT
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In <brad.726365823@hawk> brad@hawk.adied.oz.au writes:

> to Earth.  Does that mean the Doctor became an animal too and could "go home"
> (even though Earth isn't his home)?

It's kinda vague, but yeah I think that's the general idea.  (And Earth isn't
his home, but the TARDIS arguably is.)

-Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:21:33 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
: In article <1993Jan5.172921@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>, richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter) writes:
: > Can anybody please give me a quick list of DrW adventures that took
: > place in the 1800s? When was the Highlanders set (or am I right out)?
: > Was it Evil or Power of the Daleks when Victoria joined.
: > By way of an explanation, I'm thinking of writing a New Adventure
: > type story set in this period and I don't want to cover old ground.
: > Thanks for the info (better post the answers in case anyone disagrees).
: > 
: > Happy Halibut V
: > 
: > 
: 
: If the Marie Celeste's disappearance happened in the 1800s, then
: part of "The Chase" takes place there.

Ahem, that's *Mary* Celeste. This is a frequently made error, but if
you look carefully at the ship's name in the episode in question
you'll see that the BBC got it right.

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From: Doug_Lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Doug Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Master
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:34:35 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu  7 Jan 93  4:48, Ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (kevin Charl
wrote:

 EC> Anyway ... well, what does the word `last' mean to you?  The series
 EC> has
 EC> been off the air for long enough (`Survival' was in 1989 -- remember
 EC> that
 EC> year?) that I find the word `last' to be suitable in reference to the
 EC> story `Survival' or the 26th series.

 EC> If you don't like that word, you are free to change it to `final'.

 EC> The two possibilities in your sentence mean the same thing, anyway.
 EC> Something that is the last to be released is, by its own nature, the
 EC> last of all time.  There should be no confusion.  I suspect what you
 EC> meant by the first possibility is "the last so far" or "the latest,"
 EC> but I neither said nor meant that.

 EC> It's a question of viewpoint.  Those who think that a new series of
 EC> "Doctor Who" is just around the corner will say `latest'; those who
 EC> think it's dead and waiting to be buried will say `last'.

 EC> On the other hand, perhaps it's a question of the size of one's
 EC> corners.
 EC> People with small corners will say `latest'; people with large
 EC> corners
 EC> will say `last'.

 EC> I wonder if Star Trek fans ever had this kind of discourse ...

Well, the problem is that we here in New Orleans were never informed that
Dr. Who had stopped production. After relaying this information to about 30
people I have received replies of either shock or disbelief. I just hope
that the BBC decides to recontinue production, but I won't count on it.
BTW, the "EC" is from your address.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: The Doctor Who Formula...?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:37:00 GMT

In article <17809@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>(1) The Doctor and Generic Female Companion land on a planet and discover
>that the general population lives under the thumb of an evil dictatorship
>/ alien force.  The Doc hooks up with the local resistance forces, infiltrates
>the baddies' Fortified Underground Defence Installation, and with the help
>of a young male hero-figure and a misguided puppet-leader who the Doctor shows
>the truth to, manages to drive away / destroy the bad guys.  The companion
>tends to get captured and scream a lot.  Classic examples of this formula
>include "Underworld", "The Pirate Planet", "The Twin Dilemma", "The Web
>Planet", "The Sunmakers", "The Face of Evil" (with the twist that the subjects
>are in two factions), "The Macra Terror", and about half the Dalek stories.

You forgot the endless corridors!
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
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From: David Owen <dro@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The Watcher's Origin
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:03:24 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4SN, UK

Following the recent discussion of the Doctor's regenerations, I thought
I'd add my views on The Watcher.

In Logoplois, one of the consequences of the Master's tampering with
the universe was that the Causal Nexus was affected; meaning that the laws
of cause and effect began to break down. Thus, when the Doctor saw the
Watcher, he knew both 

a) That he was near his regeneration
and
b) That something was seriously wrong with the Universe.

Thus, the Watcher was not a product of the Doctor's subconcious, the TARDIS,
of the Time Lords, but simply his fifth body, which sprang in to being before
it was required because cause and effect was breaking down.

Well that's how I always understood it. Any views or evidence for or against
gladly received.

Dave.

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From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications)
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Reply-To: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:36:00 +0000


> I don't consider in a "dig".  Maybe a "hat tipping" to the show and
> those of us who would actually recognize the connection.  I thought
> it was funny and in no way did I feel it was a rip-off.  The film was
> a parady, and the phone booth was part of the parady.  My personal
opinion though.

Quite so - I wasn't offended, just intrigued.

Richard
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Software engineer (datacomms) for Cray Network Systems. Married to Caroline.
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From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:48:19 GMT

[Lots o'stuff deleted]

Thanks for being patient - and enlightening :))

Elena
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker: recommendations wanted
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:18:25 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan9.230225.17152@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, lizb@banyan.com writes:
> My local PBS station has just started showing the Colin Baker episodes, which
> I am (of course!) videotaping.  My usual habit with Doctor Who is to tape the
> average episodes on LP, packing two or three on one tape; but episodes that
> are particularly good I like to put on their own tape.  (The truly dreadful
> ones I don't bother taping at all - I guess that loses me "completist"
> status. ;-))
> 
> Trouble is, I haven't seen any of the Colin Baker episodes (except "The Twin
> Dilema", which, before today, I'd seen something like eight years ago).  
> Would someone (prefereably someone who *likes* Colin's Doctor) be willing
> to share opinions on which episodes are perhaps worthy of their own tapes?
> 
> (BTW, I enjoyed "The Twin Dilema" MUCH more than I'd remembered.  Perhaps
> having seen bits of Sylvester's Doctor made it easier for me to accept the
> vast differences between Peter Davison's Doctor and Colin's.  Those kids,
> though, still couldn't act their way out of a paper bag. ;-))
> 
> Thanks to all,
> Liz
> 
> lizb@banyan.com

Thank you.  That helps my pet "Why do people hate Twin Dilemma" theory out
a bit.  I first saw Colin after a run of Pertwee stories, so a more
aggressive Doctor didn't seem quite as foreign as it would to anyone seeing
them directly after Davison, particularly after "Caves."

Anyway, here are my ratings, scale of 1 to 10:

Attack of the Cybermen - 8
Vengeance on Varos - 9.5
The Mark of the Rani - 6
The Two Doctors - 8
Timelash - 1
Revelation of the Daleks - 10
The Mysterious Planet (Trial, story one) - 7
Mindwarp (Trial, story two) - 7
Terror of the Vervoids (Trial, story three) - 4
The Ultimate Foe - 10

I'd give "special" tapes to anything at or above a 9.

Steven.K.Manfred


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