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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Slapstick #3
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:50:47 -0800
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
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In article <lh302rINNab7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Dave, thanks for the annotations.  Slapstick is a surprisingly
>good read.  Folks, check it out!  There's only one issue left!

  Ditto on the recommendation here! If you haven't been reading THE AMAZING
SLAPSTICK, you don't have a sense of humor.  B-)

  Seriously, the best endorsement I can give SLAPSTICK #1-3 is that it's even
funnier than GROO THE WANDERER and Peter David's HULK and X-FACTOR. The art is
terrific, too, and I'd love to see a regular series.

>Actually, an inter-company crossover between Slapstick
>and The Black Hood would work a lot better than perhaps
>it should.

  I just want to see (keeping in the Marvel Universe here) Slapstick meet
Madcap and the Impossible Man. I'd throw in the late New Mutants' Warlock,
except he's history. Speaking of which, anyone want to recreate the NEW
MUTANTS Annual, "Anything you can do..."? Ouch. Better get Damage Control to
clean up after these guys.  B-)

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:55:19 GMT

In article <RHZDuB10w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> AM I the only one who liked ROBIN 3000? 

Yes.  
Seriously, I was very disappointed.  This was not so much an Elseworlds
concept as just a futuristic story.  I was expecting the Dick, Tim,
or Jason in the future where the real Batman (Bruce Wayne I) was
killed.  The neat thing about Elsewords in general is that you get
to see characters you already know reacting to new situations.
This was an unknown character who was not very charismatic and
didn't seem to know what he was doing.  I never got to know him enough
to like him and become concerned with his plight.

Unfortunately, I pre-order my comics so I'm stuck with getting the
conclusion.

Mark Balbes
From: young@clam.rutgers.edu (Bob Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Supes Funeral pic
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:18:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


    To all interested parties, there is a pic of Superman's Funeral
scene in alt.binaries.pictures.misc. Enjoy!
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Nigh Invulnerable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:25:32 GMT

Well, before we go any further on this, I figured I'd rename the thread.  For 
all of the few posts it's likely to last.... }->
     I reiterate that only the Tick is "Nigh" Invulnerable.  This is not to say
that others can't be "Almost" Invulnerable, "Pretty Damn" Invulnerable or 
"Mostly" Invulnerable.  They just can't be *Nigh* Invulnerable.  That's Tick's 
power.
     Dave Van Domelen, not *even* invulnerable
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202926.9307@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>
>To every Wolvie fan out there, Wolverine #65 is a must-have!
>

See my comment on this issue in rec.arts.comics.xbooks if you're interested.

Mike
From: hanneman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Albert Hanneman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman's death synopsis
Summary: What happened....
Keywords: dead
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:59:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

Could someone please post a synopsis of Superman's death.  ie. how did he
die? (was he just pummeled to death?) and what happened to DD?

Also, I was watching the news the other night when they had a story on
Superman.  They were interviewing people who were waiting on line to
buy the death issue.  They asked one women why she was buying it.  Her
response was something like, "This comic is going to send my little girl
to college, and the issue where he comes back to life is going to send
her to medical school..." I wonder if she knows that 3 million copies
are going to be made....


hanneman.acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn of the Flies)
Subject: Re: Grimjack!
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:02:44 GMT

In article <rawdon.722121462@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1992Nov18.184819.1320@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes: 
>>If there is any ex-Grimjack fans out there in the wild, cry out! Let me know
>>you still honour the memory of John Gaunt! (aka Chaney, aka Twilley, aka
>>whatever...)
>
>I liked GrimJack, too, though I thought that the Twilley phase of the
>character was pretty much a failed experiment (due to unfocused writing and
>generally poor artwork).  But I do think it was something worth trying.
>
>For my money, the issues of the series pencilled by Tom Sutton were the best
>(though the issues pencilled by Tim Truman were also quite good).

To throw my two cents in, I think Truman's Grimjack is the definitive
grinner.  Mandrake was OK, I didn't care for Sutton or McManus.  But I
really liked Flint Henry's stuff a lot, just not as much as Truman
(who's co-creator :^)).  The two guest artists I liked a lot were
Kelley Jones and Tom Yeates.  Pugh's work on Youngblood and the mini
was nice for a bit, but I don't think I'd've liked him as regular
Grinner artist.  IMO, (and John says in the opinion of most) the
storyline got really stale in the 10 or so issues prior to the Twilley
intro.  I enjoyed the Twilley issues, and I really liked the Demon
Wars, and the GN, but the first 30 issues or so are by far my
favorites.  But Ostrander's work on GrimJack is so much better than
anything else he's done, IMO, that it's difficult to even compare
them, or sometimes to even believe it's same person.  I mean, can you
say GrimJack and Armageddon whatever-the-hell in the same sentence and
keep a straight face?  I'd say the worst issue of GrimJack is better
than just about anything he's written for DC.

Rumours are really conflicting about the return of the Grinner, but
John implies in the last Hawkworld that the team of Ostrander, Truman
and Gold doing GrimJack may yet happen again.  If so, it'll make my year :^)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn, GrimFan extraordinnaire
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: DC: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 07:38:34 EST

mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:

> I'm sure I would have enjoyed it more if the story were more "childlike". Tha
> is, eliminate the Selina character, don't worry about motivations of the
> characters, etc. If it were more of a good guy-bad guy fairy tale I'm sure
> I'd have loved it.

WHat, eliminate the only female character?  No, no, no!  There aren't 
enough women in comics as it is, in any capacity.

I think my reactions are the opposite to yours - I'd have liked it better 
if it had played up the SF aspect and played down the "evil-aliens" 
stuff.

> 
> What I hated about the book: Idiotic editors who put asterisks in to explain
> that ETA is Estimated Time of Arrival, but who ignore things like "prosthesis
> "cloning" "hyperspace" etc.

Oh, agreed!  That was annoying.  

Namaste,
Elizabeth


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Valor #3
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:15:44 EST

Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> dangerous KILLERS in the galaxy? Whatever happened to heroes with great
> power remembering the incredible responsiblities that go along with it?

No, no - wrong company.  This is DC.  IT's only at Marvel that great 
power brings great responsibility.

Just setting the record straight....

Namaste,
Elizabeth


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ralf@cs.uq.oz.au (Ralf Muhlberger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday: I'm not impressed.
Keywords: Superman, Doomsday, spam, spam, baked beans, spam
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:25:59 GMT
Reply-To: ralf@cs.uq.oz.au

[stuff deleted about Superman dying a death worthy of a hero, or the
likes]

I think one of the biggest problems is with Doomsday's lack of
_apparent_ speed. Everyone says ``My god, he's soooo fast!'', but we
can't see it. Now his speed has been used to dispell some of the
techniques that have been proposed here to get rid of Doomsday, such as
carrying him into outer space (he wriggles too quickly to carry without
problem), but all shots of Doomsday are real STILL! If they could get a
Flash artist, or anyone for that matter who can draw FAST, then I'm sure
the battle would seem much more realistic. 

Ralf

-----Ralf Muhlberger-----(ralf@cs.uq.oz.au)-----University of Queensland------
I wonder if other people can hear voices in their head. I certainly can. I can
hear one now. It's saying: "I wonder if other people can hear voices in ... "
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain)
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:16:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.074321.15351@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>
>Is anyone as sick of the LNH as I am?  They have their own group (alt.lnh or
>some such thing) but still, somewhere in the order of 20% or more of the 
>messages here are LNH messages.  They're a dreadful waste of bandwidth

	Well, I aint sick of the LNH....highly unlikely that I will too.Yes
its true that there is a group for LNH but not every one can get access to 
this group...myself included,unfortunatly. It doesn't waste bandwidth it only
helps test the boundries... ]-)


>
>I prefer not to read them.  Unfortunately, with the numerous and varied
>posting titles, it is impossible to KILLFILE them all.

	Good for you. Well if you cant killfile them all then 'n' them.
no hassles with giving the pinkies a runaround. ]-)

>
>Straw poll, please.  Who would prefer the LNH posts to be removed from r.a.c.
>misc as off-topic?
>
	I do not wish to see it removed from the r.a.c.misc...This is where
it belongs.

>Scowling Jim Cowling

		
		Dae Aini 2099 & a half


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:21:13 GMT

Wow.  This issue beats the metaphoric crap out of #400. (And apparently sticks 
to the table better too, he notes as he peels up his copy and wonders who 
spilled the soda...grr)
     Duursema's art looks great here.  Jan's definitely gotten in the groove.
That lame bodysuit some artists stick on Delphi is gone again too (not that I'm
a voyeur, but when someone says something like "Delphi always predicts in the 
buff" it's bad editing to have her not naked).  Nice foreshadow of _Future 
Imperfect_.  GN's are so often totally divorced from the continuity of the 
regular series of the star.
     And forgive me for doubting the handling of Leader's death.  The Leader 
*IS* dead.  Long live the Leader!  The eraserhead version is back! (Kinda)
     Full, as usual, of quotable quotes, such as "Betty, if you don't get a 
grip this could take all night."
     Why do I get the feeling that Ajax will get an 'anonymous' tip (it's not 
too hard to make ANYTHING anonymous to him) and go try to break Achilles?  I 
forget, what is Paris's power, anyway?  The ability to be inhumanly 
insufferable?
     Hulk smoking a pipe and playing chess was wonderfully portrayed.  My only 
real problem with the issue was that Aggie's real form smacked of Ambrose in 
Elementals.  But then, since PAD wrote about a kid Merlin years before that 
(even if he doesn't remember half of what he wrote in _Knight Life_ }->) I 
guess it's okay.
     Odd to see a Superman tribute in a Marvel Mag, but since Snapper Carr and 
Rick Jones are pals, it makes sense to have him doing the mourning.
     Dave Van Domelen, keep up the great work or I'll do my impression of 
Hannibal Lecter at you....
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: "Last" Superman stories
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:10:02 EST

richgu@microsoft.com (Richard Guion) writes:

> You mentioned my favorite Superman story ever, the Alan Moore 2-parter
> that occurred in the pre-Byrne issues of Action Comics and Superman.  I loved
> that story.

Me too.  It still chokes me up when I re-read it.  Alan Moore really 
understood the Superman concept and the character.

> 
> I bought Superman #75 and was totally disgusted with it.  It was the cheapest
> exploitation book I've ever read.  I felt no emotion at all for any of the
> characters in the story, as someone else mentions Jimmy Olsen calleously
> snaps a picture of Superman dies.  I also felt that telling the story in 

Oh, yuck.

> 1-panel per page was cheap and a way to make the story more accessible to
> people who don't read comics normally.  I feel sorry for all the bozos who
> haven't read comics in years coming in and picking this up and thinking that
> this is the one of the better comics--it isn't!  What's really unfortunate

I suspect no one really thinks that; I suspect that people who don't read 
comics regularly underestimates them (rather than overestimates them) and 
they aren't buying Supes #75 because they think it is good but because 
they think it is an EVENT and they are curious about it because of the 
media hype.

DC isn't pretending this is a literary masterpiece.  They just want 
everyone to buy it. 

And it's working; at least insofar as that every store in Ottawa sold out 
of Superman #75 instantly, or within a few hours.  I never even saw a 
copy.  (Would I have bought it?  I'm embarrassed to say, yes -- I'm 
trying to get all the Supergirl appearances and I assume she's in it.  Is 
she?)

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kill Files
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:14:34 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

rmaddy@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD M ADDY) writes:
>Would someone mind posting a brief description on how to set up a kill file?

Depends on your news reader.  What are you using?
-- 
I don't know about art, but I know what makes me say, "$2000 for that piece
of junk?!  Are you nuts?!"
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Elfquest: Hidden Years #4 (Spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:37:12 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <1992Nov14.032832.26484@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com writes:

> >Some three years seem to have past since the end of KotBW.
> 
> Actually, this is uncertain.  At the beginning of the issue, we are told 
> that it's been six years (since Rayek lost control of the palace).  Near
> the end, we learn from the same source (Ember) that it's been six years
> (subjective) since she left the village, which puts it at three years
> since the end of KotBW.  The art allows either interpretation, even if we
> assume that Elven children mature at the same rate as Humans.
> 
> -----
> Dani Zweig
> dani@netcom.com
> 
>    It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
>    recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
> 				-- John Blasik

	Reminder: last time Ember went to the Sun Village, was when the Palace
paused there before going to the other continent...

	Does it makes a good explanation?..

	"Fire in Harmony!.."						Alias
					who hasn't received THY #3 yet (grrr!)


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From: houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Date of first Superman comic
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:05:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Nov16.200554.10276
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY


Does anyone out there know the date of the first Superman comic? Month
and year would suffice.

thanks in advance,
..........................................................................
J. Scott Houchin			Internet: houchin@kodak.com
Eastman Kodak Co.			(716) 477-9737
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>> 
>> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
>> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
>> charter.
>
>Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.
>
>I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
>the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
>then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
>after.

	Actually, it's a little more tricky than that, I suspect.
Those "net regulations" only apply to the creation of newsgroups, to rmgroups,
and to reorgs of hierarchies and not to changes in individual newsgroups.
There was a big brouhaha this summer when someone tried to hold an RFD on
changing a moderator who was neglecting his duties. The powers-that-be dis-
allowed it, arguing that net guidelines for RFD's and CFV's only applied for
those things mentioned above.  Maybe you could consider this to be a 
re-org of sorts, though. . . 

>
>Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
>A "no fanfic" rule?

	Hmm.  Good question.   I imagine that one could just add something
to the part of the charter and to the FAQ saying, "Rec.arts.comics.misc is for
the discussion of comic books and comics-related materials not covered in the
other rec.arts.comics.* newsgroups.  It is _not_ for the posting of fiction."

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Final Morrison Doom Patrol?
Organization: The Doomed Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.144452.14296@newstand.syr.edu> hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low) writes:
>
>I got the last Doom Patrol (I can't quite remember the number)
>and it seemed to be the final one that Morrison will be putting
>out, although I'm no expert...does anyone know anything about this?

There's one more issue by Morrison. It will concern what happens to Crazy
Jane now that her powers are gone. The issue will also have a preview of
the next storyline by the new writer. Then there's a month (or two?) break
before the series starts again. I believe the first issue after the break
is Dorothy creating an imaginary Doom Patrol, but that might be part of the
next issue. (Sorry, I don't have the preview blurbos with me.) 

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Quick! Get behind me! I don't know what a
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Absinthe makes the    |  him, but it looks like Doomsday really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Superman_
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Oz Squad panned in Baum Bugle
Keywords: Oz
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:03:23 GMT

I have to say that I have *not* found OZ SQUAD to be offensive; however:

1)  I'm not particularly fond of the original OZ books, much less hold them
    as some sort of sacred childhood memory.

2)  When it comes to adaptive fiction, it's tough to find something I
    *do* find offensive.

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:43:29 GMT

mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (michael rosen) writes:

>Saturday Night Live did a spoof funeral for Superman tonight.  Call me
>picky, but I wish they could have at least gotten the characterization
>right just a bit...  Lois Lane wouldn't be worrying where Clark is
>(well, ok she could be putting on an act)...  Geez, look at me, I'm
>nitpicking over SNL...:)

>It was kinda funny though.  "The people from Marvel are here to say a
>few words."

Yep, and at first I was bothered by the use of the old, less than
eloquent Hulk.  Until he put on his reading glasses and read the
words he had jotted down in advance.  Though I still wonder whether
his mispronouncing 'homage' was unintentional, or a joke that
went over my head...

Tom