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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Canadiens 4-1
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:25:31 GMT

In article <1iddroINNa6r@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>Heaven forbid that the Sharks were FORCED to do all of that skating.  What
>do they think they are, a hockey team?  Montreal is one of the faster teams
>in the NHL, but Vancouver, Calgary or Winnipeg can be just as fast.
>Did the Sharks wear down because they are used to the puny Cow Palace ice
>surface, or do you think this is a conditioning problem?

I think both.  The Sharks are not particularly fast skaters, and putting in
guys like David Maley and Robin Bawa kind of compounded the problem.  However,
the biggest key, I think, is that the Canadiens practiced that same morning
at Arco Arena (which has a standard size arena) while the Sharks practiced at
the Cow Palace, which probably made them less accustomed to play a game that
same night on the bigger ice surface.

(BTW, Isaac, I think Robitaille has avoided my .sig jinxing thus far; but a
couple guys on the Sharks mailing list and Glenn Chin have suggested that I
started putting... (I am still pondering))

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
===============================================================================

(Well, Al MacInnis has already been gone without my jinxing anyway, but...)

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[Under construction; I have to think about who to jinx next; I have already
jinxed Gretzky, Hackett, and Ozolinsh]
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Gretzky to return *this Wednesday*!!?!?!!?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:47:47 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <1idrpoINNmlg@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>In article <1idg53INNd9s@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>>According to a Melrose interview yesterday, Wayne will play with
>>Toni Granato and Mike Donnelly.  Corey Millen (the normal center on
>[zap]
>>possesses.  I would stick Sandstrom and Donnelly with Wayne and
>[zing]
>>
>>Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
>
>Is Sandstrom back? He didn't play in the last game. Even if Sandstrom
>was back, I don't think you are right. Donnelly and Granato were
>a very productive line with a very fast Millen. It make sense to 
>put Gretzky there, to keep a speedy line. The Robitaille line can
>grind things out, so it better to keep Gretzky off, and Kurri at
>center.

Actually, I'm not sure if Sandstrom is going to play tonight 
against Tampa Bay, but he very close to returning.  I think the Kings
have him on the "extra milk" diet to strengthen up those brittle
bones (I hear this is the same diet the Nordiques are feeding 
Kamensky).

The most successful line Gretzky has been on as a King was
with Granato and Sandstrom.  Wayne seems to thrive off gunners
like Sandstrom and Kurri.  Donnelly and Granato would be a wash
as the speed guy on the line.  I think placing Sandstrom with Kurri
and Robitaille, even though they were very successful early in the
season,  puts too much talent on that one line.  Stick Granato on 
the first line to balance out the talent between the two lines.  
For the second line (gosh, I wonder when was the last time the Wayner
was on the "second line") , Donnelly will be the one who chases down 
the puck with speed and feeds it to Wayne you circles and waits until 
Sandstrom breaks free for a clear shot.  Wayne then feeds Tomas, who 
then unloads on the poor goalie.  I think that line would be great.

>
>BTW: OBrumor is that Wayne was upset that the Kings didn't trade
>for his old buddy kevin Lowe. 
>
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Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wings News and Thoughts
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:08:19 GMT
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smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes:

|Latest trade rumor:  the Wings have been scouting Boston recently.
|Glen Wesley has been mentioned.

<groan>...

|Who's Hot: [...]
|Who's Not: [...]

What about Drake, Kennedy, Carson, Konstantinov, and Ysebaert?  From what 
little I've heard around here (Nebraska), I would guess that Kennedy and Carson
are doing OK, Konstantinov so-so (better than Lidstrom at least) and Drake
and Y-Jr not so great.  It seems that Riendeau is holding his own this year.
It will be interesting to see if they protect him or Cheveldae from the
expansion draft.  What are the top two lines these days?

Millions (thousands :-) shall witness the destruction of the Sharks this
Friday on ESPN.  Is it just me or does ESPN like Detroit too :-)  We could
make it 3-0-0 on national television this year.

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From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Tomas Sandstrom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:52:02 GMT
Distribution: world 


In article <06JAN93.09052128.0057@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCDB <CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
writes:
>What's up with Tommy Tomahawk ?? Has he been back at all???
>Anyone know if he will be back soon ??? going past 6 weeks
>on IR list.
>

He was back for one or two games but then took a hard hit in one
of the games and reinjured his arm.  To date, I have not heard
any news as to when he will be returning.

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!

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From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hull a Bruin???
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
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This is only a rumor, heard on the noon sports news here in Montreal...

Brett Hull to Boston for Joe Juneau + picks, cash, warm bodies, etc.

..which personally scares the shit out of me, considering a Hull & Oates
reunion.

Other rumors:

Blues send Stephane Quintal to Montreal for Sean Hill
  "     "   Garth Butcher    "     "     "  Brian Skrudland

remember, you read 'em here first!

Patrick Emond    ...LYLE ODELEIN IS THE MOST UNDERRATED PLAYER IN THE NHL...
Concordia U.
Montreal, Can.
From: Glenn_Chin@engr.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC/Finns etc.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:57:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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>In article <1993Jan5.120030.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>> So, finally what was the power of Canada? Last year when Eric Lindros
>> was in the team the success was very poor! Perhaps they learn something...

From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:18:02 MST
>IMHO, the difference this year was teamwork, like you suggested. Last year,
>we were "Canada, featuring Eric Lindros", a team of individuals. This year,
>the kids put the "team" back in Team Canada and it showed. 

Last year (Dec/91), Lindros, the team captain, didn't accompany the Canadian
national junior team on their flight to Germany and the subsequent two
exhibition games.  He met the team three days before the start of the
tourney in Germany.

The Canadian Amateur Hockey Association (CAHA) usually appoints three
coaches for the national junior team:  one from Western Canada, one from
Ontario, and one from Quebec.  I don't believe it was a coincidence that
last year's team didn't have a single coach from Quebec.  Moreover,
Lindros' head coach from his junior club team of Oshawa, Rick
Cornacchia, was named head coach.  One can only imagine how the four
players from Quebec felt about the apparent favouritism surrounding Lindros.

It was Lindros who lost the faceoff to Sweden's Mikael Nylander with 7 seconds
remaining that led to the tying goal.  The Canadian team took the tie
like a loss.  Lindros showed very little effort when placed on the ice
to kill penalties, but continued to get ice time from Cornacchia.

Paul Kariya and Tyler Wright, two of the three returning members from last
year's team, mentioned team chemistry, attitude, and lack of individualism
as the keys to success for this year's team.

Lindros was not the sole reason for last year's sixth place
embarrassment, but I don't feel he helped team chemistry, either.

Glenn
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From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: The FLYERS these days...
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:08:00 GMT

The FLYERS held off the Rangers 4-3 on Saturday and then shut out
Edmonton 4-0 on Sunday.  Soderstrom stopped 29 shots for that one, and
many of them were serious threats, too.

Apparently, Recchi and Dineen had two goals each on Sunday.  Dineen
seems like he's really getting back into his scoring mode from last
year, with a hat trick and then 2 goals this past week.  Hmmm.
Brind'Amour had a hat trick not too long ago as well...  Could it be
that the FLYERS are going to have TWO dangerous lines now?  I was
wondering how long it would take for Brind'Amour and Dineen to produce
like they did last year, and now things are looking good.

Also, it looks like the FLYERS have two very talented rookie goaltenders
now, in Roussell and Soderstrom.  Things are looking good at the moment.

Finally, the FLYERS are now tied with the Islanders with 38 points, and
they are chasing both the Rangers and the Devils, who are tied at 45
points.

Okay.  I'll leave the more intelligent commentary for Pete to make...

Fred
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From: comptec92062@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: NEED EVAL. for WayneGretz3!!!!
Summary: Need evaluation for WayneGrtez3 game!
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:24:57 GMT

Could anyone give me an evaluation of Wayne Gretzky 3 hockey for PC's. And does
anyone outhere know if SEGA has the NHLPA hockey game available on CD for its
CD ROM player?


Thanks.

M.R.

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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bruins schedule
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:31:35 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <5360@ceylon.gte.com> ept2@bunny.gte.com (Ed Tucker) writes:
>Hi, folks!
>
>Could someone send me the schedule for the Bruins at home games for the 
>next few weeks?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>--Ed

I got an error from your mail delivery subsystem, so here's your
schedule in posted form, through the 25th of February.  Home games
only are listed, as per request.

------------

This is it through February 25th.  There's a long stretch of road
games, including a neutral site game, in the middle of February,
filling in the tremendous gap between the 2nd and the 25th.

     Tuesday, 1/12:    Buffalo at Boston
     Thursday, 1/14:   Pittsburgh at Boston
     Saturday, 1/16:   Philadelphia at Boston
     Monday, 1/18:     San Jose at Boston
     Saturday, 1/23:   New Jersey at Boston
     Thursday, 1/28:   Winnipeg at Boston
     Tuesday, 2/2:     Edmonton at Boston
     Thursday, 2/25:   Minnesota at Boston




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hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
From: yt1@eng.cam.ac.uk (Y. Tremblay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 1/9
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:17:20 GMT
Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department, UK

In article <1ir6tsINN9fo@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>(Y. Tremblay) writes:
>[stuff from previous post deleted]

>>Wow !!!!   One of the best of the year !!!  Fred, how long have you been 
>>following hockey ?  
>[...]
>>
>>For the trade:  I think it would be a mistake by the Canucks.  Even if 
>>Bourque is at the moment a better player than Linden (and almost anybody),
>>he is starting getting old and will probably not play at this level for 
>>very long.  Linden is still young and can rebound after this season.
>>In addition, Vancouver are not a serious contender for the cup, so for
>>giving their future.  Only a team looking for the missing piece to get the
>>cup this year or next year should be looking at Bourque.
>>
>>Yannick
>
>Wow !!!!  One of the best of the year !!!  Yannick, how long have you been
>following hockey ?
>
OK, you got me here.  Really good way to put me back at my place...

But the real question is : How long have I not been folliwing hockey ?
I am sorry if I frustrated some Canucks fan but I have been of the net for 
nearly a month and before that Vancouver were almost even with LA while 
Calgary was looking pretty good to me.  And given where I live, ice-hockey
news are sort of difficult to get. I haven't seen Vancouver playing this 
year and made the mistake not to look at the new stats before answering.

>If you don't think Vancouver has a legitamite shot at the cup tell me what
>is wrong with them.  Are they scoring too many goals?  Allowing too few?
>
>They have been in the top 3 (or better) in GF and GA, have two (damn that
>new expansion draft) solid goalies.  They also have 6 players on a pace
>to get 80+ point season including one that should get 60+ goals.
>
>Now, back to the trade...
>
>As Gerald O pointed out Cam Neely II.  That has to be the biggest fear
>for management.  But at least Bourque unlike whatshisname has proven
>himself for more than two years.  If I was Pat Quinn I'd do it if it was
>strictly one for one (maybe I'd throw in a mid round pick).  IMHO, Bourque
>is the exact player the Canucks (and probably 20 other teams) need.
>
>Tony

As I said earlier, the reason to get Bourque is for a short term run at the
cup.  One for one, it would be good.  But the previous posters talked about 
"a package including Linden" ...  Anyway, I am pretty confident with Quinn
capacity as a GM, he is not going to make a very bad trade.  In the other 
hand, Linden would fit well in the Bruins style of play (and rink).

Yannick
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: NHL NEWS FOR 10 DECEMBER 1993
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:07:18 GMT



NHL NEWS FOR 10 JANUARY 1993:


The NEW YORK ISLANDERS recalled goalie MARK FITZPATRICK from Capital District
of the American Hockey League.


-JPC



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From: su@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jonathan Su)
Subject: 1987 Canada Cup
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:40:08 GMT

Could someone mail me the Team USA, Team Canada, and Team USSR rosters from
the 1987 Canada Cup?

Does anyone have the three games of the 1987 Canada Cup finals on videotape?
It's supposed to be one of the greatest series ever.  (USSR wins Game One,
Lemieux scores winner in 2nd OT of Game Two and winner in Game Three).

Thanks!

-- 
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From: silver@masg1.epfl.ch (Edward Silver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Swiss Hockey Standings
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:44:01 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Keywords: League National A 

   Team           Games    Points


1.Fribourg         25        35
2.Kloten           25        34
3.Berne            24        32
4.Ambri            24        30
5.Zoug             24        28
6.Lugano           24        27
7.Bienne           24        21
8.Zurich           25        19
9.Ajoie            24        14
10.Coire           24         4


League Nationale B (after 24 games for each team, except 23 for
Martigny and Herisau)

   Team         Points

1.Davos           33
2.Rapperswil      32
3.Olten           31
4.Bulach          29
5.Herisau         27
6.Martigny        26
7.Lausanne        18
8.Thurgovie       18
9.Lagnau          17
10.Lyss            7
From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Tocchet-Jagr fisticuffs
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:36:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfI==oW00iV1A2n0sE
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 08-Jan-93 in Tocchet-Jagr fisticuffs      
user Lori Iannamico@cs.cmu.ed writes:
>I forgot to mention this little story I heard last night.  Don't know how
>true it is, but it is rather amusing.  This story was relayed to me by a 
>friend of mine who is friends with 2 security guards at the Arena.  They
>moonlight at the hospital she works at as a nurse.
> 
>Anyway, it seems that Jagr was making fun of Dave Tippett's meager salary.  To
>Tippett's face.  He was saying that Tippett was a "poor old man" and he (Jagr)
>was so "rich and young and handsome".  What started out as teasing soon 
>became mean spirited.  Both Kevin Stevens and Rick Tocchet told him to knock
>it off, that the teasing was no longer funny.  Jagr kept it up.  Tocchet again
>told Jagr to knock it off, that his jokes were now insults and he was hurting
>Tippett.  Tippett, by now, had enough and skated off the ice.
> 
>Well, Jagr made the fatal mistake of telling Tocchet to "F*ck off".  No sooner
>did the words come out of Jagr's mouth than Tocchet was on top of Jagr.  He
>was pounding the shit out of Jagr and yelling things like "Who the hell do 
>you think you are, you snotty little brat?  What the f*ck makes you better 
>than eveyone else?  You f*cking brat!"  
> 
>It took about 4 players to pull Tocchet off of Jagr, who had curled himself
>up into a ball to avoid Tocchet's fists.  Tocchet kept screaming at Jagr, 
>saying he better "stop acting like a f*cking hot shit, because what
goes around
>comes around".
> 
>Jagr sat on the ice for a few minutes to collect his bearings, and got up and
>skated off.
> 
>Later that day, Scotty Bowman called Jagr into his office.  You could here
>Bowman yelling all through the Arena.   And when Jagr stepped out of Bowman's
>office he went over and apologized to Tippett.

I second Lori's story on Jagr and Tocchet.  My wife said that she heard a
similar account of it from the sports guys at WTAE-TV, the station that she
works at.

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From: VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k)
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:20:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

In <1993Jan8.215319.27236@walter.bellcore.com> bc@egret.NoSubdomain.NoDomain writes:

> In article <1993Jan8.205801.20250@berlioz.nsc.com>, alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
> 
> I rememeber the Islanders were playing to Colorado Rockies and a delayed
> penalty was called on the Isles, a Rockie sent a pass to the middle of the 
> Isles blue line.  However no Rockie was there and the puck went into the
> Rockies open net (Since there was that delayed penalty called and the
> goaltender was pulled for the extra skater).
> 
> Trivia Question??
> 
> Anyone know who the guy was who was credited with the Islander goal??
> 
> Bill Cooney
> Bellcore
Don't know the answer to the trivia question, sorry.

However, didn't this just occur lastnight in the Hartford game?  
Delayed penalty about to be called, and someone made a pass, which went
right by everyone, right into the open net......

Vip

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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 1/5
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:38:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.052147.1193@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>* New draft order next year: 1 - Ottawa, 2 - San Jose', 3- worst
>record in league, 4 - Anaheim, 5 - Miami.
>
>gld

Hey!  This is working out better than I'd ever imagined!  The Sens get the 1st 
*AND* 3rd picks next year!

(Hey, allow a guy to dream a little, eh?)

I guess on the sad side, since *Stan* is saying we get the number one pick, I'm
guessing we'll get the fourth.  Sigh...

"Go to sleep Scott"


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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jagr/Ruzicka/Klima
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:08:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <Jan10.003549.40702@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
 
>Maybe to be accurate
>in stereotyping European hockey players we should find out whether Klima, Jagr,
>Rosie, and the Statsnys are from Slovakia or Czechland.  

  Maybe the best would be not to stereotype. 

>I believe Slovakia is much more rural and under-developed than the Czech half.

  I'm not sure how would that influence the behavior of hockey players.
  May you enlighten me?
 
 - David

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