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From: brd@images1.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Barry Drodge)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Lead content of calcium supplements
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:54:17 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA



    Beware: Your Calcium Supplement May Contain Too Much Lead

Pregnant women, menopausal women trying to prevent osteoporosis
and children allergic to dairy products appear to be getting more
than they bargained for in their daily calcium supplements.

	Dr. Bernard Bourgoin, and environmental scientist at
environment Canada's National Water Research Institute in
Burlington, Ontario, has analyzed 71 brands of calcium
supplements available in drugstores and health food stores in
Canada.  the analysis shows that certain brands contains lead
levels that exceed tolerable daily intake levels when taken in
the recommended dosages.

	Bourgoin says that bone-meal-based calcium supplements are
the worst culprits, containing from one to four times the
tolerable daily limits recommended for children.  Read the labels
carefully, he advises, and avoid the products that contain
bone-meal, dolomite, oyster shell or natural-source calcium
carbonate.  If the product says "calcium carbonate" without the
addition of "natural source" or "oyster shell" the consumer can
rest assured that these supplements are safe.  Tums, widely used
as calcium supplements, fall into this safe category.  Products
containing calcium chelates (including calcium gluconate and
calcium lactate) can also be taken without fear of building up
toxic blood-lead levels.

	Health and Welfare Canada's Health Protection Branch (HPB)
is looking closely at Bourgoin's study results as part of its
review of acceptable lead levels in calcium supplements, says Dr.
Brian Gillespie, chief of the Drug Evaluation Division, Bureau of
Non-Prescription Drugs.  In light of new scientific evidence
showing that fetuses and children may be more vulnerable to the
effects of lead than previously thought, the HPB is considering
new regulations for the amount of lead that would be allowed in
calcium supplements.

[by Olga Lechky, December 1, 1992 "Canadian Living" Magazine]
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: New Migraine Drug???
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <ByvJ36.ps@onyx.cuc.ab.ca> slory@onyx.cuc.ab.ca (stuart lory) writes:

>I am not a physician and certainly wouldn't doubt what the experts say,
>however I was quoting the information sheet that came with the drug.
>Perhaps Glaxo Canada is over-simplifying how it works in their description, 
>but here is the verbatim text:
>
>	"Migraine headache is believed to be caused in part by a widening
>	of the blood vessels in the head.  IMITREX narrows these vessels
>	and relieves the symptoms of migraine headache."
>

Doesn't surprise me a bit.  I recently did some consulting work for
a pharmaceutical company and they were under the same illusion.  It
apparently takes years for some people to read the literature.  That
idea hasn't been current for about 10 years, although in fairness,
there are still a few people who hold with it.  ALl of the ergot-like
drugs have a vasoconstrictive property, but it is probably the
seratonin action that is the effective one.
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From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: aids testing and insurance
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:30:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24442
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Dec17.195035.543@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

> You're right.  The complaint about the sterility of the kit isn't really my
> main problem with the whole thing (so I shouldn't have mentioned it).  My main
> problem with the whole thing is that I don't like the idea of my life insurance
> company invading MY HOUSE in order to test me for AIDS.  My home is my castle. 

That is probably exactly the reason they *did* want to send someone
to your house: to find out if there's evidence of any high-risk behavior.

An interesting experiment: ask if they'd be willing to send their
phlebotomist to meet you at in a hotel room somewhere.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
From: mahadeva@point.cs.uwm.edu (Aruna Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Probably FAQ.. question re Nordictrack
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5
Keywords: fitness, cross-country, Nordictrack

Hello,

I have tried looking for the FAQ of sci.med on news.answers and couldn't
find one.  I am considering buying Nordictrack equipment for use at home.
Before I do that, I'd like to know whether anyone out there can tell me
whether it really does give one a complete workout of all muscle groups
and is good overall for someone who doesn't find much time between work
and commute for other activity.

Thanks,
Aruna

PS: If there's sufficient interest, I will summarize the responses I
get for the benefit of readers of sci.med.

--
Aruna Mahadevan
email: mahadeva@point.cs.uwm.edu
From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Non-physician bashing
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:59:51 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <130@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b (Ken Mitchum) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.000112.2254@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> egf48542@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> 
> I think you will find that neither Gordon nor I mind being challenged with
> regard to medical knowledge by people who are qualified. We do mind being
> challenged by people who embrace every quack theory out that is out there,
> and who believe that physicians are all part of some gigantic conspiracy
> to rob everyone blind while killing them as a sidelight. Unfortunately,
> this group is heavily represented in people who post to this newsgroup.
> 
> -km

But you also assume that anyone 'unqualified' who 'challenges' you is part 
of this conspiracy of people who 'embrace every quack theory that is out 
there, and who believe that physicians are all part of some gigantic 
conspiracy to rob everyone blind while killing them as a sidelight.'

A lot of them are curious or confused and don't accept everything you say 
as being true _just because you said it_ and would like a debate rather than 
a lecture (or worse a heavy flame job).  I know I have had productive debates
off-line with some of the medical people here. Maybe the people who don't like 
being lectured will go to Misc.health.alternative and everyone will be happier.

Re-read your words above, they say a lot about your attitudes.

Micheal.
M.De.Buitlear@Vms.EuroKom.Ie
From: b5249-23@mathcs.sjsu.edu (Kurt Stocklmeir)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Lung Cancer
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:09:33 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

Does anybody know if interleukins are being used for lung cancer.  If
so, how good is it, is it in trails, etc.  Also I have heard of new
antisense k ras methods for non small lung cancer.  Please comment on
how good this method is or will be, problems with it, etc.  Thank you
in advance.
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From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:22:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: income

In article <BzBrD5.D5x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer) writes:
>While I agree with Peggy's general comments, that same logic should mean
>that Ph.D's should get even more than MD's because we go to scho
>achool 6 to 7 years post B.S or B.A.  Unfortunately, this isn't the case
>
Uh-oh, here we go again...flame-bait.

Sure, PhDs should make lots of money but supply-and-demand
dictate wages, not some academic calculation of peoples'
true worth.

Among the recourses available for many PhDs is the right to
go to medical school - however, PhDs, given that choice, opted
to do otherwise. That is fine, but in many cases, lower wages
are the result.

I am one MD who would love to have a *prospect* of someday making
the `average' MD wage cited by the original poster, but, as with
most non-surgeons, that is exceedingly unlikely. By lumping
together the wages of surgeons and non-surgeons, the compilers
of these statistics make it appear that all doctors have
such outlandish wages.

Personally I like my job and wouldn't go into surgery even
for a surgeons' wage. I won't attack surgeons for making
so much money, but would sure like to see nonsurgeon
(ie, "physician" :-) ) wages kept separate from that
of surgeons so the lay public is better able to keep these
subjects separate.

Brian
From: pjyamamo@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Yamamoto)
Subject: Looking for list of Government awards...
Organization: University of Waterloo Software Liberation Army
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:00:26 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hi!

Anybody know if such things are on-line?
Just curious. In particular I am interested in seeing MRC awards.

Just curious,
Thanks
Peter
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Occasional "brownouts".
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <2314@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:
>
>I know asking for medical advice on the Net is a bad idea and that
>this kind of thing should really be taken to a doctor, but my friend
>is afraid of having his driving license pulled.  This would make it
>impossible to commute to work.  He feels safe on the road because
>these episodes are rare and he can feel them coming on.
>
If he reliably can feel them coming on, he would not have to
lose his license in Pennsylvania.  These spells could be
epilepsy and failing to treat them could make the epilespy
worse.  He should most definitely be evaluated medically.

>On the other hand it would be truly ironic if he was involved in a
>crash which could have been prevented by medical treatment that
>allowed him to drive safely.
>
And if he was, and it came out that he had failed to tell his
insurance company about these spells, he could find himself
not insured!  There have also been people prosecuted for
criminal negligence for continuing to drive when they had
a medical condition they knew about.  Another thing to think
about: if he has an accident that *wasn't* caused by these
spells, yet had failed to tell the company about his condition,
he might even find them trying to weasel out of paying.

This may be different in the UK than the US, however.
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: "stigma" of psychiatric treatment, again
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:04:28 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <24430@alice.att.com>, ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
|> I just heard a news story about a man in Quincy, Illinois.
|> Apparently he showed up in an ER complaining of chest pains
|> shortly after a robber had held a gun to his head.  They
|> checked him out, found nothing wrong with his heart, and
|> suggested he was probably suffering from "post-traumatic
|> stress syndrome" and that he should stay overnight.

This must have resulted, of course, from the application of
the objective criteria used in diagnosis that we have seen
referred to recently.
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: "stigma" of psychiatric treatment, again
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:27:24 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <DRAND.92Dec18111841@spinner.osf.org>, drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
|> In article <BzF97G.C4v@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <24430@alice.att.com>, ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
|>    |> I just heard a news story about a man in Quincy, Illinois.
|>    |> Apparently he showed up in an ER complaining of chest pains
|>    |> shortly after a robber had held a gun to his head.  They
|>    |> checked him out, found nothing wrong with his heart, and
|>    |> suggested he was probably suffering from "post-traumatic
|>    |> stress syndrome" and that he should stay overnight.
|> 
|>    This must have resulted, of course, from the application of
|>    the objective criteria used in diagnosis that we have seen
|>    referred to recently.
|> 
|> Do you,  by any chance,  draw distinctions between medicine
|> and politics?  It would seem that this is an application of
|> the later and not the former,  hardly a good support for your
|> statement.

Between *medicine* and politics, yes.  Between *psychiatry* and politics,
... see my posting in response to Jim Kent.  (See also the long history
of psychiatry in the Soviet Union.)
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: AIDS therapy using DMSO and isopropyl alcohol
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:41:51 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com


I have nothing to say on this topic, but feel compelled to respond
in some way to the following childish personal attack which was
brought to my attention by another reader.

In article <1992Dec15.023630.26467@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> 
|> I recommend wearing a hat when you go out into the sun from now on.
|> You might also consider making an appointment with the eminent
|> compiler expert and student of humanistic psychiatry, Gary Merrill,
|> who will be happy to listen to your theories.

Mr. Dyer, who knows neither my background nor my experience, appears
unable to deal with anyone who disagrees with him except by assiduously
avoiding issues in favor of name calling.  It's even more effective,
of course, if such attacks are posted in a thread or newsgroup you
think your target won't read.  Well, we each have to go with what
we do best.

I have restricted my response to sci.med since I share neither Mr.
Dyer's access to or interest in alt.sex and soc.motss.
-- 
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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:19:31 GMT

In article <BzD6GI.DvH@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>People used to get
>"the vapors", but there was no corresponding disease.

Um, people still get "the vapors."  I get the vapors.  Perhaps you're
confused because the terminology has changed.  Eat some beans and you'll
likely get "the vapors" as well.

-- Bill "Georgia" McCormick
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From: jeff@cns.nyu.edu (Jeff Fookson)
Subject: Re: Body Temperature
Reply-To: jeff@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:23:35 GMT

Body temperature, like many other biological quatities, varies in a periodic way. In the absence of any external synchronizing stimuli (day/night cycle, social
interactions, etc) the period of these "circadian" rhythms is longer than 24hrs --
usually between 24hrs and 25hrs. This free-running period can be observed in
experiments in which volunteers live in a timeless environment -- no daylight, clocks,
TV or radio, randomized social contact. The stability of the free-running temperature
is rather remarkable, varying by only a few minutes/day over the course of
a six-month study; the variability between people is much greater (from a little less
than 24hr to about 25.3hrs).
(These types of studies, originally done in deep caves, are now
doable in specially constructed laboratory settings). The free-running rhythm is usually synchronized to the 24hr light/dark cycle and 24hr social patterning.
The amplitude of the rhythm is a degree or two, minimum is typically in the middle of the night and maximum in the late afternoon. The average value accross the population
has recently been estimated at a little less than 98.6F -- closer to 98.3 or so.
The temperature rhythm seems to be a marker for a stable, neural oscillator in the
brainstem that also drives rhythms of many body hormones. Recent work suggests that
the entrainment to the light/dark cycle is mediated by light-produced supression of the hormone melatonin.
I used to be involved in circadian rhythm research and would be happy to provide
more information if anyone is further curious. 
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: julien@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Milk is not a liquid?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:51:58 GMT


In article <1992Dec12.002715.21491@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.143827.1@skcla.monsanto.com> julien@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>
>>In a recent visit to my physcian, one of the questions he asked was how much
>>liquid I was drinking. I said that I drink alot of milk. He said that milk does
>>not count. Milk is in a liquid form but it counts as a food. I'll agree that
>>milk is a source of calcium and vitamin D etc., but doesn't it also contain
>>alot of water and therefore represent some form of liquid intake? 
>>
> 
> Just a WAG:  perhaps he means that liquids with a high protein
> and fat content do not represent the type of liquid intake in
> which he's interested.

I don't know. He also stated that coffee didn't count either. Since I
don't drink coffee, I don't know what is in it to not qualify as a
liquid.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:18:42 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec05.003236.11454@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>
>The current Adiposity 101 cites almost 20 papers that conclude
>the obese generally didn't get that way by feeding their faces.

Well, not exactly.  If you don't feed your face you eventually will
suffer the same fate as those currently in Somalia.  Even if the
obese don't eat more, they are eating too much for them.

>adipose tissue.  Dietary manipulatons have not been very
>successful in the long term control of obesity; the 95% failure
>rate approaches that of laetrile, and I see no indication that
>another 50 years of tinkering will improve the success rate of
>either.
>
>In either case it is high time to move on to something else.
>

They are moving on, but you have to have something to move on to.
I'm as anxious as you are for a better solution.  Do you think I
enjoy periodically having to diet to keep from weighing over 300lbs?
The only thing worse is weighing over 300lbs.  Diet works for me,
although it doesn't work perfectly or I would be 175 lbs all the time.
Until something better comes along, I'm going to use it, and so
are a lot of other former morbidly obese.



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From: garys@teal.csn.org (Gary F. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Pepcid
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:40:58 GMT

In article <11DEC199215373621@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afkazan@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (The Dinky Ukie) writes:
>A friend of mine has been experiencing difficulties when eating.  The 
>symptoms he describes are that it feels as if he can't swallow and the food 
>just sticks in his esophagus.  This leads to hicupping, which seems to
>relieve the discomfort.  This sounds like it could be a hiatal hernia.  His 
>doctor gave him some pills to try -- 20 mg of Pepcid, famotidine/MSD.  Does 
>anyone have any information on this drug or any idea of what his problem 
>might be?
>
>Chris


I have a hiatal hernia. This condition causes gastrial reflux. That is 
when you swollow, the contents of the stomach refluxes back into the 
esophagus. There are times when even water causes heartburn.

Pepcid is basicly an antacid. The best medicine I have taken for it
is Prilosec. The problem with it is that it has not been approved for long term 
use. For more information try your local pharmacy.
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Leeches in medical applications
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:21:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <9212161700.AA16648@cs.utexas.edu> wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin) writes:
>I'd like to learn more about the current use of leeches for medical purposes.

Given the number of times I've been jabbed for "a small (yeah right!) blood
sample", I've come to the conclusion the medical profession has not given up
the therapy of "bleeding".

In the old days they used leaches to bleed people.  Now we have modern
technology -- needles -- to do the same job.

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From: hamish@netcom.com (Just Another Deckchair on the Titanic)
Subject: Myeloma Information?
Organization: Pandemonia PLC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:21:54 GMT

[My apologies to those of you who see this twice - the original
doesn't appear to have left the other site I post from]

A relative has been diagnosed as having "Myeloma". My medical
references do not say very much (in one case, nothing at all) about
this disease; other sources suggest it's some form of bone cancer with
immune system implications (vague, that...).

So can anyone help - what's the prognosis? What *is* myeloma?

Thanks,
	Hamish
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