HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:36:40 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <2B01A140.8744@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.203846.24614@u.washington.edu> mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>>Female supremacy, in my opinion, hurts women.  It denies us the joys 
>>of full partnership with men in the Craft; it gets in the way of our 
>>love affairs; it prevents equal sharing of responsibility and reward.
>>I find it ironic that a man is pushing this dubious 'priviledge' at
>>women, but I don't want it no matter where it comes from.
> 
> Wonderfully said.  Women have been put on the old supposed pedestals as
> guardians of morality and all that trash before; what's to say it won't
> happen now.  I'm getting off the thing and getting dirt between my toes,
> thank you very much.
> 
> If Stephen wants to think as he does, that is his right, and practically
> speaking, at least it's one less man I have to be worried about when I
> walk home at night.  But, I will allow no one to tell me what I should
> be to satisfy their ideas of what women are.  I am ME, and that's as far
> as it needs to go.  We've been through this before. 

Actually I haven't said a thing about how women should be, or where
they should stand, or how someone should see them.  I said I was a
female supremisist.  I also explained what way I see myself as female.

Don't think I am putting you on a pedestal Janis.  Women have their
problems too, but I still like that biblical quote about pulling the
beam from your eye before attempting to take the mote from another's.
I haven't said much about women's problems, but that doesn't mean I
don't think they have any.

And about Robert Bly, I share your concerns Janis.  Being one of the
weak, soft men, and a bit of a momma's boy, I have some problems with
his attitudes.  Thanks for bringing those points out.


-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

Stephen R. Figgins           |  There was an old woman
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: falcore@gatecom.UUCP (Carolyn C. Doss L.V.T.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: I got the feed!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 01:20:01 EST
Organization: Gateway Communication Inc.

Thanks and Blessings to those who replied to my post!  I now know how to 
handle this cituation ......I will "pray" with my friend omly her to her God 
and me to the Goddess and God .......and perhaps a gift of a 
gemstone/crystal bracelet filled with healing energy ...she does believe in 
crystal power .........Thank again for your help and ideas !!!!!!

                         Blessed Be!

                         Carolyn .....you can call me Fal ..my friends do !


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From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: greetings
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:35:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

I was just reading about this in a magazine.  Most people are allergic to
the saliva a cat distributes thru her fur by grooming.  If you bathe a cat
once a month, you should have a "hypo-allergenic" cat in a few months, even
thought they still groom.  
I have also heard of people getting used to a particular cat, and becoming
immune to the cats allergans.
Good luck!

Blessings,
Nancy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: Druid Human Sacrifice
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:41:07 GMT

Chris Lilley (lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: Interestingly, there was a custom in the Scottish Highlands of burnt
: bannocks (scones, bread cakes) at Samhain. In fact, many traditional
: Samhain folk rituals involve selecting someone - nuts jumping on a
: fire, sticks moved by the fire, whatever. The usual folklore
: interpretation was that they would die 'before the year was out' or in
: a 'year and a day'.

	I believe that there is a ritual of burning a bonfire, and getting
cows to pass through the smouldering remains. One account (C.Squire)
claims that this is a throwback to old traditions of burning livestock as
a sacrifice. There is another tradition of people jumping over bonfires,
this also being symbolic of burning. Sorry I can't be a little bit more
specific, but it's been a while since I checked up on this stuff.


 : 
: >	See _The Life and Death of a Druid Prince_ (I forget the
: >author) for details.
: 
: 
: --
: Chris Lilley
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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Cats and their care (was Re: greetings)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:20:09 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov7.211636.24243@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dwindsor@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Windsor) writes...
> 
>=8-) Yes bathing a cat can be an adventure in is self, they say you can't
>teach an old dog new tricks, it goes double for cats.  You have to bath a
>cat the right way, droping the feline into a tub and turning on the shower
>will probably get you killed (or at least in need of lots of whole blood) 
>If you have a kitten and get it used to being bathed you will have no
>problems at all.  With an older cat you just have to be ALOT more careful
>go VERY slowly, and you should have a hyo-alogetic cat in no time.


How to bathe your cat:

	Supplies needed:
		1)	Shampoo (I reccoment mycodex)
		2)	A cloth bag made of burlap or something else sturdy 
			that water flows through easily w/drawstring opening
		3) 	A non-breakable cup 
		4)	Towels

First, draw the bath. Four inches of water a little warmer than skin 
tempreture is fine for most cats.

	Remove all collars from the cat, flea collars especially. 

	Next, get the cat into the bag. This is the most difficult part. Can 
be made easier if the bag is part of regular play with the cat. Leave it 
around so the cat can get used to the bag. 
	Once the cat is in the bag, get the cat's head into the opening and 
cinch it up. Make sure you can get at least three fingers in between the 
bag and the cat's neck. If the cat can get a paw out under it's chin, the 
cinch is too loose.
	Place the cat in the bag in the bath. (Do NOT turn the cat 
upside-down.) Use the cup to pour water over the back of the cat. Work your 
way down from the neck to the tail. Occasionally press teh cat down into 
the water. Remember to speak reassuringly to the cat and try to ceep it 
calm.
	Put the nozzle of the shampoo bottle between the top of the cats 
head and the cinch of the bag. Squirt in some shampoo. Massage the shampoo 
down the cat's body. 

	Use the cup to pour water onto the cat and work the shampoo out of 
the cat and the bag, from neck to tail. If the cat is particularly calm, 
try using the faucet. Remember to speak reassuringly to the cat. 

	Using several towels, dry off the cat WHILE IN THE BAG as best you 
can. Once you have done that, slowly loosen the cinch and let the cat out 
of the bag. If the cat will put up with it, dry the cat off further with a 
dry towel.

	Reattach flea and other collars after cat is dry.

	That's it! Easy as pie. Well, I suppose that might depend on your 
cat! Mine just yowls a lot.

				- Ashley
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: politices
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:18:14 GMT
Organization: but now let me tell-ya a little story 'bout the places i've been to and the sh*t that i've been through 'bout fightin' and slangin' and bangin' and sh*t all because i came out with a hit check-it!

In article <BxB09v.1nu@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>If you want things to git done pester your congrise men.

Despite all the clamor for voting out the incumbents, most got re-elected.
Seems most people prefer to keep their bulldog working for the constituents
as they say.

>The only powers that
>the president really has are the veto and he can send troops in before 
>informing congrese and if congrese decides to bring the troops back they 
>come back.

The President is in charge of executing the law, for example, Quayle's council
on competitiveness. The President is the most powerful Executive Officer in
the land. Oh, and one more thing, he controls the FBI, CIA, NSA and NSC, more
or less.

>The president is little more then a figure head.

In the words of Richard (Tricky Dick) Nixon, "Ah, I'm afraid it's much worse
than that, ah, I just found out ..."

>As of yet doesnt even have the right to line itome veto!

Yikes. Line item veto is really dangerous, it destroys the concept of a
division of power. Congress is to write the laws. Line item veto would allow
the President to edit. Bad deal, really bad. With line item veto you could
kiss the balance of power theory goodbye. I know Bush was all for it, then
again he was the former director of the CIA.

>As far as I am concerned
>an alternit spelling for presedent is s-c-a-p-e g-o-o-t.

In a sense this is true. We citizens expect the Executive Officer to fix all
our problems. We're still waiting for our messiah to return, to lead us from
our self-induced bondage. Ain't gonna happen is it? So, how do we fix our
problems? What changes can we, as individuals, make?

>Keep this in
>mind. Congrese is able to over ride the pesedents veto with a 
>vote of 2/3 of the house and senite!

Only one of Bush's record number of vetos was overridden. Maybe 2/3 is too
stiff.
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Annoying, cloying "wann-be"s (was Pagan Bumper Stickers)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:50:07 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <iF42TB1w165w@circle.UUCP>  writes:
>This is how I first encountered pagans too, and whole-heartedly agree with 
>your statement.  Yes, there are a lot of wanna-be's at cons, but Minicon in 
>Minneapolis, MN is where I have met some of the nicest pagans I know. 
>
>Lance
  There are also a lot of people at cons who are just trying to freak the
public.  Unless you meet them outside the con there is no way you can tell
if they are always that cracked.  To some people a con is an extended costume
party,  and some even have a con persona that they adopt for duration.

-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Nov 12 19:50:03 WET 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:36:18 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1992Nov9.172802.19739@linus.mitre.org> heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger) writes:
>In article <gate.woqyTB1w165w@pil.UUCP> alizard@pil.UUCP writes:
>>[...]
>>4. Evidence is mounting that they [Republicans] are out to get us. 
>>(by us, I mean pagans)
>>[...]
>
>Please cite your evidence, and use documented, verifiable sources...
>not a challenge, just a request.
>
>BB.

"I don't think that you can be an atheist and a patriotic American"
	- George Bush
Proposition 9 (WA) & 2 (CO) were both set up by the xian funnymentalists that
currently run the GOP.

	is that enough of a start?

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Samhain & Spiral Dance
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:18:38 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <11190043@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells) writes:
<munch>
>In alt.pagan, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>
>> The one or two group events that I've been to recently have been this way:
>> they didn't want to say, in advance, what was planned. Anyone out there
>> have any good *REASONS* for this? I'd feel more comfortable, and be more
>> able to attune with things if I had an idea of what was coming down the 
>> road, rather than running head-first.
>
>  Some that I have talked to think that having the experiance 'fresh' for the 
>participants and not 'predetermined' has a much better chance of raising raw
>energy within the process.  This also lends itself to having things in a 
>differing manner.....  If the energy flow went naturaly toward a drumming 
>session rather than the programmed dance session.... well if noone is the wiser
>then the circle may be a bigger success than if the leaders had stuck to 
>a strict time table and series of 'must do' events.  It's part of being in 
>a world that is between worlds... a place that is without time or worldly
>demands to conformance.
>
>  It's one thing to keep things moving along.... it is something else to tie 
>yourself down too tight... I usually get things off to a solid start and then
>leave the middle and ending set of events rather scetchy and vague.
>
Yes, but what about someone in my position, and how does that affect the
rest of the circle? At the *best*, I'm there, out in the cold, not getting
anything from it all, and not contributing. At worst, I'm draining from
the others. Why is it a problem to take those who've never worked with
your group aside at first, make sure they have an idea of what *kinds* of
things to expect, and get them warmed up?

	mark
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: How the hell can religion and action not be related?
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 07:18:59 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <6682@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk writes:

 > >I believe you have misattributed Christianity to Westerners as such;
 > >Western European pagans [...] 
 >  
 > >knee-jerk reaction), here you are merely sprouting your own ignorance
 > >of the pagan traditions of Europe which have never sought to dominate
 > >or conquer anyone at any time in history. 
 >  
 > Uh, Gil, this post is all very well in general but this particular bit
 > is just a teensy bit wrong I think.  If you look up the Celts -
 > generally considered a Pagan people - you will find that they did a
 > bit of conquering and domination on the side. At the height of their
 > (temporal) power their empire was quite large... from the Urals west ...
 >  
 > The pagan Irish also did the odd bit of fighting enemies and such.
 > Indeed sometimes I think their tales consist of little else ;-)
 >  
 > And the Vikings, I believe, went in for a spot of domination in the
 > 8th and 9th centuries. Something to do with boats...
 >  
 > The saxons, too did a touch of conquering ...
 >  
 > Your mentioning of the word 'ignorance' in that sentence was a little
 > unfortunate in this regard, wouldn't you say?

Oh well, you win some, you lose some . . .

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
From: heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Theocracy In America?
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:56:41 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Nov12.224955.27730@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
>I got this from a Libertarian type mailing list >
>Thought I should pass this along to you all.    >
>Looks like troubble.                            > 
>[Deleted to save bandwidth...]

Now *this* is the type of evidence I was asking about on the other
thread...  and it's scary.

Thanks for posting it.

BB,

Jeff H...

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 Jeff Heimberger                                 If I want your opinion, I'll
 heimberg@pacific.mitre.org                         read it in your entrails.
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: X-trian Right Wingers Strike Again
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:29:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalno.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <721378032.0@iphase.infoserv.com>, Steve.Dugas@iphase.infoserv.com 
(Steve Dugas) writes:

>       You have a point there about the recognition.  It may be a
>  small step but it is a step.  I do hope the case gets laughed out of
>  court.  It could set a bad prescedent though, if it's not.

Poor Hanzel and Grettle.  They have both anal-retentive Wiccans *and*
anal-retentive Christians out to have them banned.  Perhaps they will find this
grounds to make common cause? :-(

-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Need information on herbs that will abort
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:23:47 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

dachamb@eos.ncsu.edu (DUANE ALFORD CHAMBLEE) writes:

> 
> Could someone please help me with a herbal remedy for my situation ? I am
> pregnant . I would like to abort by herbs. I would really appreciate some
> help. 
> 
> 				Melanie


Melanie, giving yourself an abortion with herbs is not fun. Unless you 
are in the very earliest days of pregnancy, the amount of herbs that will 
do the job is certain to make you feel very sick, and to cost you 
dollars that might be best saved for a conventional abortion. 

When I was younger and poorer I sat through four herbal abortions with 
lovers and friends. Two worked-- two did not. This 50% success rate, or 
lower, holds for the dozens of stories of herbal abortion that I have 
collected.

The one advantage of herbal abortion is that is is such a drawn-out 
ordeal, that it allows the woman to fully contemplate what she is doing, 
and to deal with the immense power of pregnancy. Sometimes, however, this 
can be too much intensity...

Let me suggest that you also look into the cost, and the availability, of 
conventional abortion.

Technically, anyone here who advises you about herbs becomes liable for 
lawsuit and criminal prosecution if anything goes wrong with your attempt 
to self-medicate, now that we know that you are asking about a specific 
case, and not just asking for general information. The book, "A Women's 
Herbal", by Jeanne Parvati (sp?), is a useful general reference to start 
out with, if you must learn more.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: A Few Words About Election Results
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:14:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1992Nov4.194138.23015@linus.mitre.org> jon@MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
>
>In article <18882@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>> 
>> All in all, it's a stunning setback for the fascist right.
>
>Yeah, but at the expense of putting the facist left in charge.
>
*******FLAME ON********
a) by definition, fascism is extremist right. Go look it up before you misuse 
	the term.
b) Clinton, who has tried to portray himself as a moderate centrist, seems,
	to me, to be a liberal. If you can't tell the difference between
	say, Teddy Kennedy, Mikhail Gorbachav, and Stalin, then it's either
	reality check time, or you're blind. If neither, you're an ignorant
	asshole. Let's see, the "fascist left" wants to allow choice, tax
	the ultra-rich who've eaten us alive for the last 12 years, and
	cut back on civil rights. Right. I see, this cuts into our liberties.

Buzz off.

	mark
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Decks
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:57:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

In article <oHkmTB2w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa
N.T. Murphy) wrote:

> 98 bazillion people will have followed this up by now, but i figured i
> woudl anyway...

 Well, I wouldn't say 98 bazillion, but many people did respond to this
thru e-mail.  Thanks everyone!
 
> the most common round taor deck in teh Motherpeace.  i hate it.  it is
> the ugliest deck i have ever seen, although the comecept is nice.

The MotherPeace deck is the one I am looking for, I think it is beautiful,
and I love using it.

> Daughters of the Moon is MUCH better.

I did see this one.  I looked at it, but felt much more drawn to the
MotherPeace deck.  

>                                         -ailsa


I did a reading with these after I got them, and it was very encouraging. 
I am new to Witchcraft and I felt that the cards let me know that I am on
the right path.
Again, thanks to everyone who responded!

Blessed be,
Nancy 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: suzi@trifid.astro.ucla.edu (Suzanne Casement)
Subject: Looking for help
Summary: teaching and learning help wanted
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Distribution: na
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:43:59 PST

Hi all,
I've posted maybe once or twice here but the workload got heavy and,
well, you know how it is.  Anyway, I now find myself in a very strange
situation and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me.  I've
started coming out to my friends about my "paganess" recently and really
started talking to them about it.  Now, they all are interested in
learning about it from me and I don't feel at all comfortable with this.
I never had any formal training but the people I used to associate with
when I lived in Chicago had all spent a lot of time in formal groups but
never got around to forming their own.

So my question is, how do I handle this?  Is there anyone out there who
would be willing to help me answer questions and give good references
for books and stuff.  I feel sorly in need of a teacher myself and since
I have spent the past 3 years ignoring the magickal part of my life I'm
very weirded out by this whole thing.  Also, one of my roommates is
interested in formal classes in the LA area so I told him I'd ask here
if anyone knew of any reputable group that wasn't just out to make a
buck on the newage bandwagon.

Thanks in advance for any advice/help.  This whole thing just came
about really suddenly at a Halloween party my roommate hosted and I'm
really confused.  Hope this is an appropriate topic for this newsgroup!
:)

B*B,
Krystyl


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