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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Green to go full strength against the Pack.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:42:04 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I would like to finally add that Green would like to
convey to Holmgren and his Pack a message for not only
this year but also for the next season.

The message would be: Hey guys please do not look past
the Vikings next year for playoffs and other higher
goals.  The Vikes are here to play in the NFC-Central
and any thoughts of playoffs and Super-Bowl should
involve the Vikes as a factor.

Please please Pack fans, be graceful in defeat. The
Vikes have *earned* the NFC-Central despite 
a poor O.  They are not a lousy team as u consider
them to be and certainly will huff and puff the Pack
in both victory and defeat. Just ask the 49ers, Skins,
Oilers, and the Eagles if u have any doubt.

S.H

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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Re: Thomas out?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:46:50 GMT

In article <1309@ottawa.opl.com.opl.com> sas@opl.com writes:
>in article 40809 , garret writes:
>
>> The scary part of this is that the Oilers have to play the Bills in Buffalo
>> next week! With Kelly and Thomas out this might throw all of the pre-playoff
>> predictions out the window...
>
>Thurman Thomas is out next week?  Any confirmations on this, this early!?!?
>
>sas

From what I heard during the game:

Kelly: They have to wait 72 hours before re-examining the knee ligiments
       to see if he can play Sunday...didn't look good though...

Thomas: bruised ribs and twisted ankle, he should be able to go Sunday.

----------------------------------
J.R. Ordon
GO VIKES!!!
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF: Joey's Return
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:17:40 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <8fBhhWy00WDK47QGkz@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 >Well, next week on MNF, Montana is supposed to return, at least
 >according to Siefert at halftime of tonight's game, to play a few
 >quarters if not more. I have mixed feelings about this:
 >I can't decide if I want to see them get crushed next week or
 >win big and have them start Montana in the playoffs and get
 >crushed there instead.
 
I hope Joey does well, that will make it easier for him to go 
to another team next year. I can't wait to see Montana in 
another uniform. Thats probably the most mental pain you could inflict
on a 9ers fan.....

Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Broncos News: Pro-Bowlers
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:29:01 GMT


  Two Broncos have been selected to the Pro Bowl, LB Michael Brooks (his 1st)
  and Steve Atwater (his 3rd).

  Once again, Simon Fletcher gets screwed, ~14 sacks just isn't good enough,
  I guess.

  The latest news on Dan Reeves is that John Elway kinda opened a can of worms
  on this last week's "Denver Huddle", which is hosted by a local sportscaster
  and former Broncos WR Steve Watson. Elway was asked about Reeves' future,
  stating that he thought Reeves' job was "too big a job for one man" and that
  "I'd like to see Dan get some help", the implication being that Reeves has
  too much power. However, Reeves and Elway did meet yesterday, and once again,
  Reeves said that there's no controversy, and he did appreciated Elway's pos-
  itive remarks and that he didn't take Elway's remarks negatively. Bowlen is
  the only one who knows what Bowlen's going to do, so we'll have to wait and
  see what happens.

  As for the Broncos making the playoffs, if they win at Kansas City this Sun-
  day, they're in as the 3rd wild-card. No players are expected to miss the
  game with injuries. Given that it's a big game (the loser misses the play-
  offs) I suspect Denver just might pull out a win. Schottenheimer will once
  again be victimized by Elway, as he has for years now.



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From: djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY)
Subject: Re: Forget Reeves What about the Broncos
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:12 MST  

In article <1992Dec30.172817.14870@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes...
{In article <30DEC199200540930@cc.utah.edu> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
{ 
{>I don't think that Dan Reeves will have a problem finding a job, but who is 
{>going to go to Denver and coach the Broncos?  It's the team that I'm worried 
{>about.  Yes Dan was a GREAT coach,so who is left to come to Denver?  Shanahan?
{>I don' think so.  Just because he was a friend of John's.  If he was such a 
{>good coach why was he let go?  Wade, well maybe, then they'll be looking for a
{>new defensive coash.  It's all such a terrible mess!!!  I guess we should just
{>sit tight and wait a couple of years until the Broncos get back on their feet,
{>go to the SuperBowl and KICK SOME ASS!
{>
{>Sheila Cobb
{ 
{Sigh.  If we have to let women back into this newsgroup, can't we
{do better than this?
{ 
{-- 
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I beg your Pardon Mr. Zimmers. I happen to be a resident of Denver for the last 
15 years, and if anyone knows anything about the Broncos and what's going on it
's me and my Denver friends who go to all the games, read up on the latest news 
about them. So if that's all you have to say then no, "we" can't do better than 
this!
Sheila Cobb
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Green Coach of Year? I don't think so.
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:46:10 GMT

dpp@cray.com writes:
>                     1991    1992
>Green (Vikings)      8-8     10-5
>Marchibroda (Colts)  1-15     8-7
>Holmgren (Packers)   4-12     9-6
>Ross (Chargers)      4-12(?) 10-5
>Cowher (Steelers)    4-12(?) 10-5
>
>I don't recall the Steelers and Chargers exact records from last year

Then why not consult wuarchive.wustl.edu, where in /pub/nfl/records
you can find all the records that your heart desires?

Last year the Chargers were indeed 4-12, but the Steelers were 7-9.


--Gidi
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves firing
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:32:15 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec29.161029.4178@crd.ge.com>
grundusk@sunflare.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kevin Grunduski) writes:

> How about Reeves in Detroit. They have some talent, now they need a coach who can produce.
> IMO I just don't think Fontes can do the job. Let's get Reeves.

IMHO, Fontes deserves another chance...you can hardy fault him for what
can only be considered a streak of unusual bad luck.  After the
tragedies with Utley and Andelsek, the Lions almost seem to be waiting
for something else bad to happen.  One fact that was mentioned on MNF
which staggers the mind is that there have been 15 different starters
in the offensive line this year. Considering this, it's truly amazing
that Sanders had any kind of season at all.  I seriously doubt Reeves
would have done any better under similar circumstances.

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Playoff teams vs Playoff teams
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:16:28 GMT

<1992Dec21.082438.19871@icf.hrb.com> jwc@icf.hrb.com (John W. Cieply) said:
>There are currently 10 teams that are in the playoffs, lets see how
>they stack up against each other.  The following is the current list
>of playoff teams, their overall record and there record against teams
>that have made the playoffs:
>
>	San Francisco	13-2	5-1
>	Buffalo		11-4	4-1
>	Philadelphia	10-5	3-2
>	Pittsburgh	10-5	3-2
>	Minnesota	10-5	2-2
>	Dallas		11-3	1-1
>	Miami		10-5	2-3
>	Houston		 9-6	2-3
>	New Orleans	11-4	1-4
>	San Diego	10-5	0-2
>
>It looks like San Francisco and Buffalo are able to win clutch games.
>
>New Orleans chokes against the better teams.
>
>Dallas and San Diego have good records against mostly the poorer teams
>in the league.

This could change quickly should Washington and Denver or KC make the
playoffs this last weekend.


Gordon
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From: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILLS SUCK
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Odyssey BBS - Garrettsville, OH - 216-527-2186
Reply-To: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 

-> I used to be a Bills fan, but if the players on the team
-> don't care, then why the hell should I ?

Most professional players don't care for anyone but themselves...  So
how can you be a fan?

Steve Leu  Internet: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us
          
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coaching Change in Chicago
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:23:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1hs9l2INNca9@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

> After a talk with a high level media type sportscaster here's the scoop:
> 
> Ditka is out in Chicago, he will be replaced by Vince Tobin.....
> 
> Remember you heard it here first !
> tim

Right! This from the same guy who said "Handley signed on for four more
years". (Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?) ;-)

BTW, Tim, thanks to you're Handley post I had to spend the night in the
rubber room in the Psych Unit here at DHMC. [8-{)

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From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:31:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:

>	    Any unbiased observer would have to admit that the NFC
>(excuse me Mr Anal Retentive, make that NFL) teams who moved to the
>AFC/AFL (are you happy now?) were basically NFC/NFL teams for several

The thread is AFC/NFC. AFL/NFL is completely irrelevant.

>years after their move. By the early 80s, turnover being what it is
>with players and coaches, the Browns/Steelers/Colts (if I left any out,
>I'm sure you'll correct me!) lost whatever distinctions one could make
>between the two leagues/conferences.

So you are saying that up until 1980 those teams were NFC teams, but
then they officially became AFC teams when they started losing. Yup,
makes a lot of sense.


Mike C.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Buffalo SuperBowl
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:39:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.085931.28957@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Let's see Buffalo beat: San Fran, N.O., Pitt, Miami(split)...all Superbowl
>contenders.
>The only other serious contender is Dallas. But if they beat San Fran
>and N.O., I would assume that they 'could' beat Dallas.
>
Here we go again, the BILLs woofing up again. Don't you guys ever learn?
You do know what "ass-u-me" means don't you? :-)

>They lost to the Raiders. And split with Miami, Jets, Indy.
>None of these teams will be played again, except possibly Miami.
>
>Bills History: in a nutshell 0-2! 

Does that mean anything to you guys? NOT! figures.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, (another wise guy)
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3181@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes...
>In article <BzLBCD.A1q@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
>>This game down to which defense was
>>better, and the Bills showed that they were the better
>>defense
> 
>If you really believe this, you ignorance of what defense means is staggering.
> 

Hey did you watch the game?  I would say from your post that you didn't.

Which team rushed for 180 yards? Answer: Buffalo Bills
Which team held the opposing team to 48 yards rushing? Answer: Bills
Which team held the other to 200 yards offense for the game? Answer: Bills
Which team had four sacks? Answer: Bills
Which team had only one sack? Answer: Saints
How many tackles did Swilling have? Answer: half a tackle
Now who is the one that is ignorant? Answer: Dan

Sound like pretty good defense stats to me.

The Bills have always been knocked for their inability to stop
the power football.  They stopped the Saints.  What do you want,
five interceptions, and five fumble recoveries?

By the way, the Bills played without their best 3 defensive players.

>>Sure the Bills were a little
>>lucky getting the fumble a the end of the game but CHAMPIONS
>>find ways to win.
> 
>True . . . but how do the Bills do it?

They play for 60 minutes against the NFC teams.  They don't make
mistakes and turnovers that could be costly.  The Bills have
averaged 34 points this year against the NFC.

> 
>Daniel Welch

Bruce, a Bills fan
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Answers to Super Bowl Trivia Time!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:58:27 GMT

When did Mike Ditka win a Super Bowl as a player?

Paul
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Skins (Posse) start woof...
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:56:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzy5F0.FIv
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In a clip showed on the TV during the Bears/Boys game, which
featured a part of an interview with one of the members of
the Posse (WR-Corps of the skins), he says

"We are confident of beating the Vikes next Saturday. The Posse
and Rypien will be humming and we are always good in the
playoffs. Much as we are greatful to the Vikes for beating the
Packers, we are also ready for them". 

This comes after a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Raiders,
I am surprised that he has the temerity to underestimate a
good team.  I am not saying that the Skins cannot beat the
Vikes, going by their recent record at the Dome, but 
what about respecting the other team for what it has done this
season.

On his part, Dennis Green was very gracious and gave lot of
credit to the Skins.

On my part I feel: Howmuch do the Vikes need to  gain
respect in the NFL. Why are some of the people on other teams
treating the Vikes with disdain. But then the Vikes are level
headed, thanx to Green and I will be happy if they can
huff and puff the Skins, win or lose next week.

S.H
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:41:50 GMT

el> Edward Lor
gs> Gary Strand

  You're losing it, Ed. You're getting too easy to argue with.

gs> Question is, what does "NFC champ > AFC champ" have to say about the re-
    spective conferences?

el> The question is, when I am NOT interested in comparing respective conf-
    erences, why do you insist on getting me to compare respective (overall) 
    conferences?

  Because, people mean "group of 14 teams" when they say "AFC" or "NFC", or
  are you simply stating "NFC champ > AFC champ", with "NFC > AFC" as some
  sort of logical corollary? If you don't make the latter claim, then why
  bother belaboring the point, as we're talking past each other, or, if you
  *do* make the claim "NFC > AFC", then show the steps involved in getting
  from "NFC champ > AFC champ" to "NFC > AFC".

  In any case, the argument "NFC champ > AFC champ" isn't a very interesting
  one.

gs> [B]ecause you define the terms of the question "Which conference is bet-
    ter, the NFC or AFC?" such that the answer cannot be anything but the NFC.

el> Cite the article that I want to argue with you about "which conference 
    (overall) is better". That's exactly what you want to argue but I don't.

  OK, then.

gs> I prefer to let the facts decide, rather than asking leading questions. I
    also prefer non-circular definitions.

el> Right, a non-circular definitions is also a fact. You can't argue against
    it, why not get into something totally outside this definition?

  You're the one using the circular definition, for your own argument, Ed. If
  you *define* "A > B" as "A beats B in the SB", and then say "the NFC streak 
  of 8 SB wins means that the NFC champ > AFC champ", you're defining your
  argument using the definition itself! That's circular! Can't you see that?
  If not, I suggest a course in logic.

gs> It's a pity you rest your argument on such a narrow foundation, Ed. 

el> Narrow or not, that's something you can't argue against. It's a pity that
    you have to resort to some totally irrelevant arguments to refute it.

  Well, I've had to tease what your argument *was* out of you! You can't ex-
  pect the statement "NFC champ > AFC champ", and all the underlying implicit
  definitions to be obvious to anyone except Ed Lor.

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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Bengals Lose *somehow*
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:11:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

UGGGGG!!!!  It was a great first half.. it was excellent.. it was
a great send off for Munoz and then *it* happened... *sigh*  The
Colts QB was sacked.. he was out for the second half and Trudeau
(not unlike Fahrv and every other damn QB that comes down the 
second string pipe after the Bengals knock him out) comes back
to win the game!! *arg*  I knew this would happen when I saw the
first stringer leave... I *knew* it.. And on top of it all Boomer
came back (3 downs and out in his usual style) ARRRRGGGGG!!!!!!

Alex

Boomer Party -- My house the day he's traded..
From: hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Playoff TV Coverage
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:10:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Sat  2 Jan 93  --  BOTH GAMES COVERED BY ABC SPORTS
>
>    11:30 CST  Washington at Minnesota
>    13:00 PST  Kansas City at San Diego
>
>    My guess is that they'll sent Brent to Minneapolis and
>        Dierdork to "The Murph" ...
>
>Sun  3 Jan 93
>
>    12:30 EST  Houston at Buffalo (NBC Sports)
>    15:00 CST  Philadelphia at New Orleans (CBS Sports)

When do the Dolphins play in two weeks?  Does it matter who their opponents
will be?  Please E-Mail me with what's going on as I am driving over 1000
miles to the game and I need to plan my time of departure from good ol'
South Bethlehem.

Howard
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From: wytten@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Subject: Re: Vikes QB's (we want Wade!) and Dallas pass defense
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:57:32 GMT

In <1992Dec22.021244.1377@dracut.keps.com> sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz) writes:
>I don't have enough information to understand why Gannon is perceived as
>arrogant. 

For one thing, after his atrocious performance two weeks ago, his
excuse was that being benched had thrown his rhythm off.  Get a clue,
Rich, you sucked *before* you were benched; read about "cause and
effect" sometime.

How many other Vikings fans have watched with interest Wade Wilson's
performance for Atlanta the last two weeks.  He shredded Dallas'
secondary all night last night and because of his good reads (and pass
blocking) didn't get sacked until very late in the 4th quarter.

Although I never was a big critic of Wilson (I still don't understand
the "Happy Feet" criticism: Who cares?) I did state once in this forum
that Wade had demonstrated that he could no longer throw the long
ball.  I guess I have to eat some crow and now blame poor coaching for
the Vikings underachieving offense of the previous couple years.
(This year I continue to blame on lack of legitimate first string QB's
on the roster, although I haven't quite given up on Sean yet...he
seems like the kind of head case that could put a few great playoff
performances together and then disappear into obscurity)

Dale Wyttenbach




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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: VIKINGS DEFENSE #1
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:52:09 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In fact the Super-D scored its 9th TD for the season in the
Steelers game when Brister was sacked and D-man picked
up to run it to the EZ. But the stupid refs ruled it down
by contact  and 7 points were taken away from the Vikes.

The score should be 13-3 and not 6-3.

s.h

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