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From: barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG)
Subject: Re: Help on buying a used bike
Organization: U
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.230537.21762@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> millerj@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Snide Pucker) writes:
>
>As much as I'd really hate to do it, the nefarious insurance scam has
>managed to influence my buying decision.
>I can save 50% off my premiums if I get an '89 or earlier.  Yippee.
>So, no new bike for the present, and I am now in the market for something
>a bit more used (read as:  beater).  Something like an Interceptor 500
>or the like should tide me over.
>This all brings about the question of what to look for when purchasing
>a used bike, particularly something meant to go fast.  Aside for the
>standard caveats with buying a sports car (look for bald tires, bad
>suspension, and other signs of severe abuse), what special considerations
>should I be aware of with sport(touring) bikes?
>Any help is appreciated.  (aside from "I've got a bike.  Buy it!")
>-- 
Partial list of Things to look for in buying a used bike.
1. Cylinder compression. Should be the same (within 10 lbs each cylinder)
   and 120lb or so (higher on higher compression ratio bikes, and lower
   at high altitude). Consult the shop manual for exact figures. Be firm
   on this one, if it doesn't cut it, don't buy it. Bad compression is
   a sign of major trouble (at least a valve job and probably a complete
   rebuild).
2. Transmission whine different in different gears. This one takes a trained
   ear. Again, this is major money to repair.
3. Clutch. Drive up to a brick wall and make sure the clutch doesn't slip
   (heh, I bet I get flamed for that!!). Stop first. 
4. If the fork stops are deformed, the bike has been high-sided on that side.
   Not necesarily that bad, but look for damage.
5. Inspect the inside of the plastic fairings. It is here where you can see
   repairs (Again, not that big a deal, but I would deduct for it).
6. Rideability. Does it ride well? What I suggest is you leave the owner a
   check for the purchase price while you test ride it. Then you get the 
   check back after the ride. (That's what I'd make a purchaser do). Also
   insurance stuff (like do you have it?) and license.
7. Tire wear, brake wear, sprocket wear, and chain wear. Deduct for cost to
   fix. 
8. Its a big plus if the owner has the owners manual, repair receipts,
   and an even bigger plus if he has a shop manual. Shows care.
9. I don't deduct too much just for high miles if the bike has had good
   care and passes compression test. 
10. Front fork leakage.
11. Front fork bearing wear.
12. Rear fork leakage.
13. Bike stored indoors or out.
This is a partial list. Any other suggestions?
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:05:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article (bob pasker) writes:
|> (Ravi Narayan) writes:
|> > 	pasker buys those no-shift-key keyboards from me! and as is
|> > 	evident from recent posts, he sure sounds one angry man! we see
|> > 	entire sentences in caps!!! i can safely claim the title of
|> > 	keeper of the lowercase! ;)
|> 
|> you can claim whatever you like, newbie-scum.
|>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^

	you really expect me to fall for whats most probably the oldest
	bait on rec.moto??? (ten points to the first person to point out
	an older bait and prove that i am indeed newbie-scum! ;).

	peace,

	- ravi

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hogan@heron.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher hogan)
Subject: Re: Am I wobbling?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:38:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.153348.5698@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler) writes:
>In article <28713@life.ai.mit.edu> benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud) writes:
>>
>>Here is my question:
>>
>>About 10 days ago, a car driven by a drunk guy hit the side of the car
>>in front of me, I crushed my brakes but fell and dropped the bike.
>>That was happening at about 15 mph.
>>
>  stuff deleted -
>>
>>Now, The bike souds and runs perfect enginewise. BUT... When i hold
>>the bars with one hand only, the front wheel starts shaking (very
>>slightly), and more and more as i release pressure of my hands on the
>>bar (as an experiment.)  Is this normal? Could it be a result of the
>>accident?
>
>Every bike ive had has run great with no wobble for the first 1000
>miles or so on the new tires. then as the tread gets worn due to 
>braking I've noticed some wobble at 20-30 mph. the wobble goes away
>at higher speeds. Note: The wobble is only there if I take both hands
>off the bars or barely rest them there. Perhaps this is what you are
>experiencing?

This is EXATLY the way my bike acted when the tires were very worn.  Just
replaced them, no wobble.



Chris Hogan
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dlm1247@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Reply-To: dlm1247@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:41:04 GMT

When mounting a radar detector it should always be placed as high
as poosible.  That way it can scan down the road farther.

I have heard of people mounting the detector on their shoulder.
That way the detector is high and can be heard easily.  The only
problem is running the cord, which can get tangled.  Good radar
detectors run off the bike's battery and are not cordless.  A

I have yet to find a detector that runs well on a battery.  And
to me it seems easier to use the bikes own power.

				- Bob
				- dlm1247@ritvax
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:26:35 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Oct6.041356.24740@javelin.sim.es.com>,
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) wrote:
> 
> >ST1100's remind me of Pacific Coasts,
> 
> Remind me to mention the "RC-34" Pathetic Coast that was seen cruising
> around Steamboat at the races a couple of weeks ago. It's a damn shame
> they didn't race it. Anyone for a GoldWing racing class? :-)
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes!  I think it only equitable that there be a YammaHondaBago racing
class.  Some class requisites include: Two-up riding manadatory.
Trailers mandatory. Total weight of riders must exceed 340 pounds; 
those weighing less will wear waist-mounted sand bags to make up the
difference.  Intercom required.  CB required.  Passenger will recite
the Custom Chrome Catalog address at least once per lap over the CB.
Radios  and/or Tape, CD Players must be on and audible
from 50 feet during race.  More ?
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Really Wired  was: [ Wired to the bike ]
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Sep30.154139.1294
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <66343@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>John H. Osborn worried about wired stuff during a "get off"..
> 
>I don't think the kind of wire you'd see used for headphones
>or even an electric vest would pose much of a "permanent
>attachment" between you and your motorcycle if you both suddenly
>decided to part ways...
> 
>I'd be more worried about accidentally breaking them getting off
>the bike at the local "7-11" trying to look cool, and forgetting
>to unplug all my plugs...
>

The high class way to approach this in front of the local Stop and Rob
would be to route the wires down inside your jacket so the could get
wrapped around your leg.  This would allow you to demount on the left
side, swing your right leg over the seat (with wires around your ankle)
but only be able to get your right leg half way to the ground.  
It then becomes intuitively obvious that pulling your leg to disentangle
the wires from your right ankle (in mid-air) would pull hard enough on the
bike to further imbed the sidestand into the hot asphalt pavement
(where it had been sinking unnoticed), reaching the point of supreme
cantilever balance - where the entire bike is poised in mid-air upon the
sidestand.  Whereupon, the bike will launch itself at you, and it will
take an act of supreme heroics to hop backwards on your left leg fast
enough to get out from under the falling bike (remember the wire holding
your right leg in mid-air?).

A discrete call ahead of time to the local TV station should ensure that
your momemt of supreme squidliness is recorded properly for posterity.


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what has this country come to (and aerostitch info request)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:44:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep26.121506.556@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) wrote:
> 
> jeez, am i the only one who is still wearing the same jean jacket 
> for the past 15 years?  mostly, i wear it with a down vest over the
> outside.  that's for the coldest of coldest san francsico nights.
> 
You must be Bob, I can't seem to fit into the jacket I wore when I was 8.
:-)

> -- 
> -- bob pasker
> -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
> --

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: braking power lessons (was Re: I won? (NOT!))
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <888@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>]hit the front brakes as hard as I dared,
	[stuff axed]
>I have no idea how you would discover this braking capacity on a non-ABS bike
>since achieving that goal can be a bad thing...

	Well if you think I can't brake you can just go to.... Oh, I'll
	keep reading...

>btw: this in no way is meant to imply that Sebastian needs work on braking,
>     it's just a thought that came to mind...

	In fact I had been wondering how to practice my panic braking safely
even before this happened. Now I'm really wondering. I got home after this
accident to find a message on the answering machine from my father saying
we were signed up for the ERC course, concentrating on accident avoidance.
Little late, Dad....

	BTW, found out my insurance would pay for the car damages (not that
	they aren't still a rinky dink insurance outfit, but...)

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:22:38 GMT

kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:

> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>] 	Sounds to me like you've never had the opportunity to drive a
>] Shelby 427 Cobra of any year.  Gutless?  The only thing that comes close
>] is a Dodge Viper, and you'd think 25 years of refinement would allow the
>] Viper to cream it.  It doesn't.  It barely stays even.

>So? It's a cage.  Bring the Viper, and the Cobra, and your life
>savings to _my_ house.  Englishtown Raceway is only 12 minutes away.
>I'll be the guy on the FJ1200. 

	Are you kidding?  My life savings won't even buy me a new bike,
let alone a Cobra or a Viper.  However, we can settle this in true DoD
fashion: Calling the Keeper of the Stats!  Calling the Keeper of the Stats!

	What's the 1/4mile time, 0-60, 0-100, and 0-60-0 times of the
FJ1200 and the Shelby 427 Cobra?

	I seem to recall 0-60-0 in the low 6 second range, possibly less.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: car-to-bike jump start
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:59:08 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

Actually, you can damage *some* regulators with a car running on the
jump start.  They should be fine for car engine off starts, but
the "dump the entire alternator into the fat *zener* diode" form
of regulator can in fact be fried by a heavy duty alternator.  Most
motorcycles are not susceptible to this--but there are a lot of them
out there...

Rich Tweedie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: bmw design, last of the boxers, etc (was Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:15:51 GMT

In article <JET.92Oct2115247@win30.nas.nasa.gov> jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>"jsm" == John S. Morris <jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org> writes:
>
>>What can you get for a BMW that you can't get for my FJ?
>jsm> You've obviously never looked at a BMW accessories catalog.
>
>Go to a good BMW dealership and dig through their catalog.  6 speed
>gearbox?  Cop options? 4 or 5 different sets/styles of luggaege?
>Different heads?  Different cranks?  "This could just go on
>forever..."
>             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
>                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378

This might go on forever in his own mind ... unless of course he comes down
below the DoD minimum speed and puts out his wacky weed.  Since when does
one find 6 speed gearbox's in a BMW catalog ??  The world wonders.


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff.
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Keyboard; was: Kawasaki copies everyone else!
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:39:59 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <barrongj.718093015@marsh> barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:
>
>I rang one of the local Honda hsops to get a price on a Goof2, explaining 
>that it was between that and the ZZ-r600(zx-6).
>
>The salesman said:
>
>"Kawasaki never put out anything original or revolouionary. They always
>wait till someone puts something out and then copy it."
>
>"What about the GPZ-900 (Ninja 900)" I asked
>
>"Well, Suzuki had the katana and liquid cooled bikes were already out..."
>
>I've never heard a bigger crock of shit in my life. What other inovations 
>has the Big K brought out which I can shove right up thid guys arse!
>
>More trivia buy the way. In the UK the CBR cost about 300 pouns more than
>the ZZR and in Oz it is $200 cheaper!
>
>Greg
>
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Ex Minister of Propaganda for the QMS Emperor. sigs are overated. 1st yrs suck:)
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
It's too bad that they don't make keyboards in Australia that can spell
words the way the writer undoubtedly intended!  On the other hand,
'revolouionary' may actually be talking about a high speed rotating onion??

Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff.
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't trigger traffic lights
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


oliver@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Oliver Weatherbee) writes:

>It happened again this morning. On my way to work I hit a
>red light at an intersection with no other vehicles around. I
>stopped on the pressure plate and after ten minutes the friggin 
>light still didn't change, so i ran it.

Ten minutes is too long to wait.  Should've run it sooner.

>I'm actually looking forward to get caught
>so I can bitch and moan to someone in authority, "I PAY MY TAXES,
>DAMMIT!".

Why wait to get caught?  Complain NOW. (Not to us, but to local 
authorities).

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.dirt,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Latest usenet stats
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:04:55 GMT

Newsgroups: news.lists
From: reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid)
Subject: USENET Readership report for Sep 92 
Organization: DEC Network Systems Laboratory
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:08:44 GMT


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1087   7700   253   60%   195   331.3     1%  0.05   0.5%  rec.motorcycles.dirt 
1106   7400   245   59%   131   219.7     3%  0.03   0.5%  rec.motorcycles.racing 
1317   5000   164   36%   413   637.9     6%  0.09   0.4%  rec.motorcycles.harley 
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From: rcl@pyramid.COM (Rich "Black Dragon" Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:33:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

A friend had something simular happen last week, a cage was on his ass for over 10
miles when the cage tried to run him off the road. My friend ran it up to 95+ Mph
passed his favorite police enjoying a donut, and pointed at the cage. The cop
pulled this moron over, turns out he was drunk, on a suspended license, and
pissed.The cager is currently in jail on DWI, Wreckless driving, Speeding, 
Attempted Murder, and Attempted Vehicular Man Slaughter. 

There are some real sicko's on the road.

Rich's Rules of Persuit:
	1. Never go on deserted roads, the more public and well lit the better.
	2. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let them know where you live, go to a police 
	   station, or draw as much attention to yourself as possible from
           passers by or other motorist.
	3. Remember that a moving target is harder to hit, so don't stop and get 
	   off the bike unless you know you are safe.
	4. Get their license plate number and if possible any other info about
	   the vehicle.
-- 

                 -m----------         Rich Lewis
              ----mmm--------         Pyramid Technology Corporation
           -------mmmmmm-----         3860 North First Street
        ----------mmmmmmmmm--         San Jose, Ca 95134
                                      USA

        Email - rcl@pyramid.com
                {allegra,decwrl,hplabs,munnari,sun,utai,uunet}!pyramid!rcl

	Phone - (408) 428-8836 International

	DoD #1027
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From: mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD weenies
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:22:57 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Sep27.223520.11501@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>> there is no FAQ
>>at my site (perhaps the expiration on the FAQ is set too short, or my
>>admin has an ignore-expiration fascist expire policy; I don't know).
>
>I do, you have a weenie news admin. The DoD FAQ is posted the first of
>each month, with a 1.5 month expiration. 

     I don't know if this thread started in rec.moto or ba.moto first, but
if it was ba.moto, I don't think the DoD FAQ is posted there.  If so, then
that is probably why Curtis did not see the FAQ.  If the FAQ is not posted
in ba.moto, it should be in order to avoid (reduce) the problem of people
asking about the DoD in ba.moto.

Mike
-------------
Mike Lohmeyer		|  Whether in the street or the dirt...
mikel@berlioz.nsc.com	|  '73 CB500	...the older they are	
San Jose CA		|  '76 DT400	the better they get.
DoD #808		|  '77 IT175
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Almost got killed - want tougher helmet law!
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:02:30 GMT

fester@island (Mike Fester) writes:
>Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:

>>I am obviously not capable of properly taking care of myself, so I have
>>immediately started lobbying for an extension of our current helmet
>>law, namely that "Helmets must be worn by all persons venturing
>>closer than 10 feet to a motorcycle". Please support my efforts.
>
>This type of nonsense cannot go unchallenged. It is YOUR responsibilty to 
>put in softer handlebars, not the government's job to make you wear your 
>helmet! And next time, don't buy a bike with such a tight sprocket! 

Wrong!  It's the manufacturers responsibility to put softer handlebars
on the bike.  Or at least a warning label that says:

              "Warning: Do not bang head here"

This sounds like a perfect product liability case worth millions!!  

- A. Lance Chaser   Chaser, Rheemer, and Fouker - Attorneys at Law
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Glove recommendations
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:44:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.daved.718299845
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I have been using Patagonia winter gloves, about 90.00. They have 
Nylon outers, leather Plams and fleece liners, good gripability.

Dave
DoD 1085