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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Big East Bowl Preview
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 04:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.011006.18143@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <BzIpor.1CF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>>Big East Bowl Preview for Jan. 1, 1993
>>
>>SYRACUSE (9-2,6-1)
>>This week:  Colorado (9-1-1) in Fiesta Bowl.  Colorado has been winning with
>>smoke and mirrors.  Nebraska brought in a fan to let us all see what's going
>>on under the smoke and it wasn't pretty.  Quality play by Syracuse against
>>Miami almost made for an upset, but certainly proved that Syracuse is one
>>of the elite teams of the year.  Syracuse has struggled somewhat outside the
>>dome, but its play in the last half of the season was up to preseason 
>>expectations.  Marvin Graves should have no trouble moving the ball on a
>>team that has proved susceptible to decent offenses.
>
>we'll see, won't we? I am sure a lot of Big & Easy fans are going to be
>terribly upset after the game.
>
>>Prediction:  Syracuse 36, Colorado 21.
>
>Colorado 21 Syracuse 17
>
>>Timothy C. Pitts
>
>Njan

Well, the Big East might not be in the category of the allmighty Big Eight
conference, but it's teams are a lot more exciting to watch than those
from the Astroturf league.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:06:38 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Alabama recruits a big QB

Alabama just received a verbal committment from [I don't know the guy's
name], the top QB prospect in Alabama.  He's a pretty big kid; on
one of his visits he was talking with some of the Alabama linebackers.
They thought he was a recruit for LB!  He's 6'4", 230 pounds.

Hey, it's a start.


Jim
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re:
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 103852IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET, <IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> () writes:
>In article <22DEC199210252158@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>,
>acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) says:
>>
>>In article <1992Dec21.215122.12038@den.mmc.com>, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
>>(Kevin Rodgers) writes...
>>>A real brouhaha brewing at the Fiesta Bowl is the attempt by the bowl to
>>>keep Colorado's famous mascot Ralphie from doing her traditional romp
>>>around the field before each half starts.  So far, one official has
>>>claimed that it's an issue of public safety, saying [and I paraphrase]
>>>"just one wrong turn and it could be a very dangerous situation."
>>
>>Safety, as usual, is just an excuse.
>>
>>>Others have apparently raised the question of whether the natural field
>>>at Arizona State's field would be damaged.
>>
>>The real reason they're worried about it is that they just spent a Ton of
>>Money to put in one of those high tech, heated/refrigerated, drained/
>>irrigated fields (Precision Athletic Turf, is it called?), and they don't
>>want their investment damaged.
>>
>>Has Ralphie ever tromped over one of those kinds of fields?  Are his hooves
>>really any tougher on the grass than 3 hours of cleats and facemasks
>>churning up the turf?  For my money, if the PAT designers didn't consider
>>such things as the presence of livestock when they designed their system,
>>then it's worth less than the dirt it replaces.
>>
>>R Dendy
>>
>I think we at ASU have a good right to worry about our investment. I wonder
>why Colorado feels they have a right to bring their buffalo here when they
>don't take it to other away games. Florida State has played in numerous Fiesta
>Bowls and has never brought its horse or made a stink about it.

True, but it's FSU's policy not to take Renegade to away games; just too much
trouble.  They only took it to the Blockbuster Bowl several years ago because
the bowl officials asked them to (for TV ratings).

>
>If the Buffs need their buff, maybe they are less of a football team than they
>are cracked up to be.

Maybe they want to have a backup in case their noseguard goes out with an
injury!!  ;-)  ;-)

>gc
From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: bowls, etc
Date: 4 Jan 1993 04:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
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"al sorhaindo" writes:

>Their point is well taken though that "upsets" are not uncommon.
>Miami's three victories over the number one team when they were #2
>doesn't even include their monumental upset over Nebraska because
>the Hurricanes entered that Orange Bowl no higher than #3.
> (Auburn was higher in the pre-bowl standings)

Aarrrgghhh. Must people still bring up that first Nebraska-Miami Orange
Bowl? :-) I believe the poll situation was Nebraska #1 (all season), Texas #2,
(all season), Auburn #3, and Miami #4. I remember Texas losing, but I
can't remember who beat them. I'm not too sure about Auburn, but I seem to
remember that there was some concern on Miami's part on whether or not they
would be #1 after their victory.

Even though the game was nine years ago, everyone in Nebraska remembers
that two-point play like it was yesterday :-(

By the way, concerning Nebraska's six consecutive bowl losses. Is that some
sort of record by any chance? If not, who holds the record for most consecutive
bowl losses?

Dave
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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:48:39 GMT

gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:

>In article <1992Dec24.022408.8518@wdl.loral.com> (Brad Snyder) writes:
>>
>>Take a good look.        ..one reason why ND is not the               


>>
>>And don't give me the cry baby story of how they had to study that week....
>>
>>my ass........Stanford had to study and take a plane to hell indiana to
>^^^^^^^        Correction: The game was Oct. 3. The quarter here at 
>no thanks!                 Stanford started on Oct. 1! Only 2 class days,
>Keep your ass              no serious studying going on yet!
>to yourself!  )*(          ND's semester was a month old at that point.

>Ever been to South Bend in early October? It's very nice.

>>play them..........plus most Football players take cake majors and get
>>special treatment (tutors, make-up tests etc.)......

>You wouldn't say that about football players from Notre Dame or Stanford
>if you knew what you were talking about. Many of them have MD's, JD's, MBA's 
>and probably MS's and PhD's.  


Imagine that, all those players with advanced degrees attending N.D. and
Stanford just so they can earn a bachelors from those schools!

Repost to woof.academics.again.and again...


>-- 
>Greg Sroka
>Menlo Park, CA
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From: chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:06:20 GMT

in article <BzC8wo.4u3@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) says:
> 
> News-Software: NN 6.4.16
> 
> In <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
> 
> | The Heisman is for the best PLAYER, not the best LEADER on a team that would
> | win WITHOUT him.
> 
> 
> The Heisman is not for the best Player.  They only give it to QB's, RB's and
> WR's.  They should just give the Heisman to the first player taken in the 
> NFL draft.  The Heisman has turned into a beauty pagent, where the College
> puts out PR and toys to promote their guy.   I can still remember all the
> people at BYU wearing the Ties.

Actually, the Heisman is SUPPOSED to be for the best player.  Not just QB's,
RB's, or WR's, though that is what it has gotten to be.

> The newspaper said that Gino will get about one million dollars because of
> the Heisman.  Torretta will play a few years in the NFL.  Maybe he will come
> back to coach The Miami Hurricanes to their 15th National championship 
> season.  Florida's only Heisman Steve Spurrier was a total washout in the NFL.
> Gino knows football, he will make a great coach someday.  BTW, Vinny won
> the Heisman at Miami.  
> 

No kidding.  That's why I made that statement.  Oh yeah.  It seems he's been
a pretty good washout in the NFL as well.

-- 
**************************************************************************
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Sugar Bowl, 1942
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:25:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

OK Trivia Buffs...I need to know who played in the 1942 Sugar Bowl.  I believe the score was 2-0.  Please send direct response back ASAP.

Thanks,
Dick Harkness
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.193919.5851@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>I have received alot of e-mail asking  recruiting questions. I have just
>started getting all of my data, even from the east coast. This will take
>about a week-10 days to compile all of the data, and I will post the
>results
>as quick as I can. Thank you for your interest.
>-- 
>
>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

Thanks Mike, I know I for one enjoy the recruiting information as much or
more than anything else I read on this SIG. Geeze, the thought just
occurred to me that it might be interesting (if you had all the
information) to place it at a sight for anonymous ftp.. I think I remember
someone maintaining a college fb data area, I just can't remember who or
where. I always enjoy looking at who the top recruits were 5 years ago,
and seeing how they did in college and which made it all the way to the NFL.

Thanks,
	Dave Elfering
	     elfering@socrates.umd.edu

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:20:10 GMT

MILLER, JIMMY A. (HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu) wrote:
:   I freely admit that I am biased, but several things about the accusations
: cannot but make me wonder:

Me too.

:   2.  Of two employees that claim no work was done (and were named), one quit
: and the other had been fired within the last year.  The article did *not* in-
: dicate that they had been fired for "blowing the whistle", but instead cited
: other reasons for their going.

Actually, the employees who "broke" this story asked to remain anonymous. 
Hmmm, wonder why...  The paper quoted a couple maintenence men and/or residents
of the apartment complex as saying that they remember the players showing up
around there, but not working.  However, on the Channel 5 News Sunday night,
they interviewed (on camera) some of the same types -- one of them was actually
the same guy quoted in the paper -- and they *all* had the opposite story...
("Sure I remember those boys showing up around here... they fixed air
conditioners, dug post holes,...", etc.).

: 5. Timing. Here we are at the height of the recruiting season, and NOW they
: come out with the story. By itself, this means nothing, but in conjunction 
: with the other stuff, just makes me wonder all the more.

As we all know, the DMN is in business to *SELL PAPERS*.  Well, now they've
made national headlines for themselves...  Doug Bedell, the writer, is 
*always* involved somehow in these stories, whether it involves A&M, SMU,
Texas, or whoever.  I guess he thinks he's gonna win a Pulitzer Prize or
something for breaking these stories on *college football*, of all things.
I mean, come on, this isn't Watergate or anything...

: used.  Should this be true, well...we're well and truly fucked and no mistake
: about it. It just galls me that these so-called boosters think they're helping
: the program. At least it's a felony now in Texas to do this sort of thing.  As
: in big fine, maybe a little jail time.  But hopefully this is much ado about 
: nothing, and maybe we can sue the _Dallas Morning News_ for making accusations
: without documentary evidence -- surely that's negligence or someting.

IF we are found guilty of wrongdoing, well, I certainly won't like it, but
I'll have to accept it.  But if we're not, I agree some kind of action should
be taken against those who falsely accuse and sensationalize the story.  This
kind of thing can be very damaging, especially at this time of the year...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 07:29:08 MST
From: <IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re: Big East Bowl Preview)
 <22DEC199210252158@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> <92357.103852IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
 <1992Dec22.231027.11547@den.mmc.com>

In article <1992Dec22.231027.11547@den.mmc.com>, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
(Kevin Rodgers) says:
>
>I'll trade you a couple of tickets to ASU's bowl game this year for two
>Fiesta Bowl tickets.
>--
Actually, ticket sales are so slow for this year's yawn Fiesta matchup that
you should be able to pick up a few good seats at below face value from
scalpers. The Ralphie run might be the most exciting part of the day.

gc

>Kevin Rodgers                           kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
>Martin Marietta MS A16401               (303) 790-3971
>116 Inverness Dr. East
>Englewood CO 80112 USA                  GO BUFFS!
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 Overrated!!!!!
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 23:04:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan3.004710.27671@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan01.055939.40969@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Well, I have been fighting for some respect for the PAC-10 all year, but I
>haven't once advanced the argument that they deserve it because of last year's
>bowl performances.  My argument was based on their outstanding non-conference
>record and strength of schedule in those games (they finished something like
>22-8).  Obviously, their poor performance in the bowls has hurt that record
>some, but why do we have to throw out everything they did during the regular
>season?  The WAC had a better record in the bowls (2-3 I think), but does
>this mean that the WAC was a better conference than the PAC-10 this year?  The
>SEC does deserve credit though for its impressive 5-0 (at the time of this
>writing) bowl record so far, giving them a strong claim to the number one
>conference.  But if you're talking about which was the best conference this
>*year*, I don't think you can throw out the whole regular season just to 
>eliminate the PAC-10.


You are correct Jim, I have never heard you say these things.  But many of
the other PAC-10/UDub fans have been going on and on about it.  We kept
hearing the "undeniably the best conference in the nation" claims...  It was
brought up as evidence their bowl record last year...  Also claiming some other
conferences (notably the BigTen) have been overrated, and showed it based on
poor bowl performances..  And, you are right, based on their early 
non-conference records, and their good overall seasons, you would have to say
that the PAC-10 was one of the top conferences this season.  But, with all
the hype of them being the "undeniably best conference" coming from the net,
and even from the TV people and such, their pathetic bowl performance really
hurts them.  And, because they didn't get the respect their supposed rankings
would indicate (based on records and such, some teams should have gotten better
bowl bids...) they got stuck with some seemingly large mismatches...  Such
as USC-Fresno State, Arizona-Baylor, etc..  Games where the PAC-10 teams were
big favorites...  I think I remember that the PAC-10 was heavily favored in
4 of it's games, and slightly favored in the rest... Coming away with only
2 wins, and one of them just BARELY against a relatively weak opponent, it
doesn't bode well for respect..

So, anyway... One of the best... yes... The Best???  Not even...  I think
the SEC has that title wrapped up pretty easily...

-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Aloha Tom Young!
Date: 28 Dec 92 09:10:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	How about Tom Young?!?  Besides Stubblefield trying to eat his lunch
ALL DAY LO, hplayed a hell of a game.  I was impressed with his mobilibility and
-game poise- Something that was missing in BYU's first two QB's IMHO.  Very few
mistakes for his first collegiate start.
	I wouldn't want to be BYU's coaching staff and have to try and decide
you gets to take the snaps next year.  I think I'd go for Young, myself, but
who knows.
	Hats off to KU.  Nice win and welcome to the Bowl sceneI think # #71 
has a future in the NFL.  Hilleary played very heads-up ball too.
	Here's looking towards another year of great football.  BYU has a lot
to look forward to.  Their only graduating reciever is TE Byron Rex.  All three
backs are returning, not to mention a pot pourri of QB's to choose from.  The
big D is the only question.
	Pray for 'Bama!!!!	

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     ----------------------|    Before we cut the Fat Ones* down to size?
    * Miami, A&M, Michigan |    Before the Woofing Gods arrive?
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:55:14 GMT

In article <92353.113638JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Rumor has it that Dennis Erickson was interested in the [Auburn] job,
> but his wife did not want to live waay out in East Jesus.

I would rather live in "East Jesus" than in the sixth borough of New
York City (aka Miami).  :-)

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re:
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:03:29 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


In article 11605@dbsun.uucp, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.160129.19105@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>> I don't think it's a wrong "turn" they're worried about, at least not
>> by the buffalo.  ... Do the trainers have a buffalo-pooper-scooper for
>> such emergencies?  I know at UT they just let the cow crap all over
>> the field :) :)
>
>Isn't that how they play "Bevo Bingo"?  :-)
>

Now what would happen if Texas and Colorado played and Bevo (male?) and
Ralphie (female?) got ... well ... intimate.  Which school gets the offspring
and would the other school get visitation rights?




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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Husky updates? (was Re: Tax 'em Aggies...)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.222338.2949@mdd.comm.mot.com> behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:

>I was sick and tired of the local media (and some national) launching 
>an array of torpedos at the UW program.  Some of the stuff they launched
>were unsubstantiated material.  

Some of us still haven't heard the results of some of these accusations.
Could you maybe fill us in, Behzad?  In particular, the story about several
former players admitting that boosters had paid them, and this new deal with
Beano Bryant.  I assume that whole cellular phone scandal was just blown out
of proportion and really didn't have anything to do with the FB program?


Jim
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jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Falcons really that lame?
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:47:58 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1992Dec22.052903.29870@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
|> Seems like the Falcons are MNF's 90lb weaklings,
|> cream puffs, pushovers, jellfish and you add
|> the rest.
|> -- 
|>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
|> "To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
|> everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

OK

John Gloria clones...
From: ajay@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ajay Shekhawat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:16:33 GMT
Organization: UB

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3

>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>Does anyone want a play by play?

Oh yeah?  Last time I checked, the Fat Lady was  speechless (as was
the Houston Offense, Defense and the Coaching Staff), and the score 
was  41 - 38 *BILLS* ! (OT)


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Carter...Ready for the Playoffs.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:34:09 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Minnesota's Carter, the Chris variety :-) will be ready for the
playoffs, but he will not play this Sunday against the Pack.
To Pack Fans: The Vikes did not sneak into the playoffs like
most of u assume.  We will give u a game this Sunday, Win or lose.

S.H
Win or Lose, Vikes and Twins forever.

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Minnesota Vikings - 1992 NFC-Central Champs!!!

Here's a fly-ball by Larkin over the head of the Braves' out-fielders,
Gladden Scores and once again the Minnesota Twins are baseball's 
world champions and the crowd loves it.
                           Herb Carneal (The Voice of the Twins)
1991 Twins: The Greatest Baseball Team ever to be Assembled on Earth.
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