From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: garbage trains, money trains, and other novelties for out of towners.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:53:25 GMT

msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>
>I heard that such a sale was intended but fell through and the cars were
>scrapped (except one which went to the Halton County Radial Railway,
>the streetcar museum south of Rockwood).  In addition to the red-painted
>steel cars, there were also 6 aluminum Gloucester cars.

One PAIR went to HCRR.  TTC subway cars come in semi-permanently
coupled pairs.  There is no such thing as ONE subway car on the TTC!
Actually, there is one: class H-5 car #5754 was rebuilt in 1985 with
control at both ends and is used for testing or when a "quick replacement"
is needed in another pair.  (its former "sister", #5755, was retired
in 1984 after an accident in December 1981 -- they sure take their time
making up their minds! :-) )

All the Gloucester cars were 57'-1.5" long and made of steel.
Six of them had aluminum bodies, making them look a little more
like the all-aluminium Canadian built aluminum cars.

According to the Canadian Trackside Guide 1992 the TTC has the following:

Class G-1 cars:
 (built 1953-4, these were the first 100 subway cars for the TTC)

 5068-5069 were converted to service cars RT-36 RT-37 (grinding train)
 5066-5067 and 5074-5075 are stored for possible future use
 5098-5099 were donated to the HCRR in 1991

Class G-2 cars:
 (built 1954-5, six were purchased; the CTG shows in a table than none
 remain, but then goes on to describe which ones remain, while the same
 table shows that all six G-4 cars still remain but does not account for
 them in detail)

 5100 to 5105 converted to rail service cars RT-38 & RT-39, (garbage duty),
              RT-34 & RT-35, (grinding train), and RT-36 & RT-37
              (Tunnel Washer) in 1987/88. RT-36 and RT-37 were renumbered
              RT-14 and RT-15 in 1989 when the above mentioned G-1's
              took 36/37.


>The car described above is the old, one-car garbage train, which was
>originally a Tokyo subway car and is therefore nicknamed "Tokyo Rose".

It was actually purchased new from Nippon in 1967.

>> There's some other work equipment that I haven't seen except in
>> photographs. I think at least one piece of subway work equipment was
>> rebuilt from a PCC streetcar.

I have seen such equipment in the past passing through a station.
However, the listing in the CTG shows no former PCC cars in the listing
for rail service cars in the subway system.  I suspect that now that they
have rail grinding equipment converted from the old G-cars, they took
out the PCC converts.  They still have two rail grinding PCC converts
used for surface (streetcar) tracks.  W-30 and W-31 are Pullman built
(1946) PCC cars formerly TTC #4631 and 4668 respectively.  Originally
they were Cleveland TS #4206 and 4243 respectively.

Incedentally, the TTC also has one work car converted from class H-1 
subway car #5391.  It now serves as a "Non-motored Ultrasonic U/C
Rail Inspection/Utility Car".  Class H-1's were the first cars built
by Hawker Siddeley in 1965-66 and were the first with the back lit
advertising signs.  Cars 5388-5391 were damaged by fire in October 1976.

Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
From: chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:49:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Project 2479
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA