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From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.080803.26810@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
>
>: "Watch out that no one deceives you.  For *many* will come in my name 
>: claiming 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many."  
>: I guess Edgar Cayce, Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Mary Baker Eddy,
>: Joseph Smith,  Shirley McClaine, Mohammed, etc. etc. etc. don't count.
>
>With the exception of Moon and Jim Jones, none of these people ever claimed
>that they were "the Christ".  I am particularly surprised that you put
>Edgar Cayce in this list, since he was a staunch Christian most of his life.
>His healings and readings were accepted by the church of his time (I believe
>he was Methodist, but I'm not sure), and he was a well-respected church member.
>
Jim Jones started out as a ligitimate ministry.  At guyana, there wasn't
one bible to be found though.  Shirley McClaine has claimed that everyone
is Jesus Christ or has the Christ consciousness.  Mary Baker Eddy claims
she only had the true revelation, same with Joseph Smith, Mohammed.

I ought to add Ed Carp to that list.  For you have in common what the
other names have.  That the teachings are not translated correctly, that
the bible has all kinds of errors, that we can now find the truth elsewhere.

I found it interesting you would try to defend to some extent Joseph Smith,
a known fraud.

Cayce once wrote regarding his trance states:

"What the readings have been saying is foreign to all I've believed
and taught and all I have taught others all my life.  If ever
the Devil was going to play a trick on me, this would be it."

Reincarnation is Cayce's world view.  I can give 10 good reasons
why it is unbiblical.  Cayce also claimed that it took Jesus 30 incarnations
for him to become the Christ.  Very unbiblical.  I have 180 reasons why.


>-- 
>Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
>"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
>happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
>and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"

-Arnold Nordeng
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:30:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct14.190727.27841@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <67776@cup.portal.com>

Dear Space People Watchers:  Sometimes I wish this information was
a little more serious but then I might not still be allowed to talk
about all of this if people took me serious. I hope to post some 
more later when I get some time.
John Winston.
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From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 02:55:46 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> Dear Fellow Travellers: The world looks a little better today. Maybe
> we should think like the quote that was in the hippy song that someone
> can probubly remember exactly; Undoubtedly as we look back on this time
> a 100,000 years from now we will realize that things have been going
> on just as they were meant to be.
> John Winston.

"Whether or not it is apparent to you, undoubtedly the universe is
unfolding as it should."

-Pierre Trudeau (Prime Minister of Canada, 1968-1984)

Or maybe you're thinking of "Amazing Grace"?

"When we've been here 10,000 years, 
Bright shining as the sun,
There's no less cause to sing God's praise,
As when we first began."

I dare not quote more because I would *certainly* be accused of
Christian proselytising.

=doug

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 18:45:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Everybody: My thanks to WDP for telling his story. It took a lot
of guts to do that. I hope that others will feel more at ease in telling
what they think. I misspelled the word primordial in a past posting. I 
spelled it with an E.  I'm sure glad I caught it before RA had a chance
to jump on me.  Things are looking good. 
John Winston.
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Re:Sexuality & Religion
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:34:02 GMT
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In article <Uep_EU600WBKM5pmMW@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Perrin Slease <ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
:>As was more apparent later in your post, I think that you posit the
:>separation of body/mind/spirit which is quite Christian in origin.  You
:
:Just wanted to set the record straight:
:
:The body/mind/spirit split soul/flesh stuff is actually of Greek
:philosophical origin and was embraced (possibly mistakenly) by the early
:Christian church with the main purpose of evangelizing to a part of the
:world that perceived life in that manner.  

[ Deletion ]

:After writing all that, I guess you could say that the separation bit is
:Christian in origin. . . . 

William, I will have to disagree here.  This split has been around way
before Jesus even walked the earth.  Check out some of the ancient yogic
and vedic texts which focus on transcending the body, about the body's
naturally defiled nature, etc. etc.  You could probably find something
in the Bhagavad Gita or Mahabharata as well.  From my understanding,
this Split has been around probably before there was even organized religion,
starting with experiences of loss of God awareness because the Body became
more attention demanding, and spirits (people) lost touch with their God
connection, and blamed the Body for that.


-s
-- 
Steve Dahmen ** Graphics Application Programmer
Ford Motor Company
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-- 
Steve Dahmen ** Graphics Application Programmer
Ford Motor Company
smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com
313-594-3229 (work)
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From: amorgan@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Originator: amorgan@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.174659.14724@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <67562@cup.portal.com>, 
>  John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes in part:
>|>   Now these are my (John Winston) words. I don't know whether or 
>|>   not Columbus 
>|> used this map but it does appear that some people had the ability 
>|> to get up 
>|> in space some distance to make this map. 
>Incorrect conclusion.  It takes no space technology at all to make an 
>inaccurate map.  The Piri Ue' is full of random blobs, which Hapgood 
>and other enthusiasts interpret as wondrous things like Florida and 
>Caribbean islands.

Right.  Plus there is the fact that Columbus was making his journey
based on mis-information (he thought the Earth was smaller than it was
which is why he was convinced the Americas were India/China).

You would think aliens would get a *map* right.

C Frog
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:32:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <67777@cup.portal.com>

Dear Big Foot Lovers: Hang on in there folks. We're moving on up to 
the big time. I'll post some more when I get some time.
John Winston.
From: afaull@cs1.uct.ac.za (A S Faull)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Book review: This Present Darkness
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:40:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

Name:           This Present Darkness
Author:              Frank Peretti
Publisher:    Minstrel,GB or Crossway Books,USA

For anyone interested in anything NewAgey, this book is a must.
It is a novel which describes the spiritual realms in vivid colour.
I simply can't put it down. The plot is deep and intriguing, and
is well based on current world trends.

Enjoy it.

Anthony  (afaull@cs1.uct.ac.za)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 22:11:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67344@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: Please disregard the last information that comes after
my name. It appears that me computer is acting up. Sorry about that.
John Winston.
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:08:03 GMT

Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:

: "Watch out that no one deceives you.  For *many* will come in my name 
: claiming 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many."  
: I guess Edgar Cayce, Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Mary Baker Eddy,
: Joseph Smith,  Shirley McClaine, Mohammed, etc. etc. etc. don't count.

With the exception of Moon and Jim Jones, none of these people ever claimed
that they were "the Christ".  I am particularly surprised that you put
Edgar Cayce in this list, since he was a staunch Christian most of his life.
His healings and readings were accepted by the church of his time (I believe
he was Methodist, but I'm not sure), and he was a well-respected church member.

I refer you to an excellent book on the subject, "Edgar Cayce and the Born-
Again Christian".  This is available at most bookstores, including most
so-called "New Age" bookstores, too.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.191334.6246@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
>
>: Buddhism:  People in asia are starving, and people don't care...another
>: result in the belief that it is due to you.  Christians are the only
>: ones caring for other people because of true love for people as people,
>: and not a silly superstitious belief in reincarnation or sins of a past
>: lifetime.
>
>I seriously doubt your claim.  There are hundreds of thousands of people
>working for relief agencies all around the world, and they can't ALL be
>Christians.
>

Name the Buddhist/Hindu ones?  

>-- 
>Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
>"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
>happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
>and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"

-Arnold Nordeng
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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.175712.14880@tc.fluke.COM> nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
>Jesus also said:
>"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For *many* will come in my name 
>claiming 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many."  
>I guess Edgar Cayce, Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Mary Baker Eddy,
>Joseph Smith,  Shirley McClaine, Mohammed, etc. etc. etc. don't count.

	Most of whom did not claim to be the Second Coming of Jesus
Christ, with the possible exception of Sun Myung Moon.

	And if it's "false prophets" you have in mind, then I'm sure
that you will end up throwing out a large portion of what is labeled
Christianity, to the point that most professed Christians turn out to
fakes.

>Jesus also told of the earthquakes and famines that would accompany it.

	And I thought that nobody could know. Gee.

	Earthquakes? There have been earthquakes for the last 4.6
billion years, I can assure you.

	Famines? How is that big news?

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 06:29:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67344@cup.portal.com> <67348@cup.portal.com>

Dear Astral Folk: Boy, last night's OOBE train wound up being a rough
one. I wound up in the lower astral soup (like premordial soup the 
people from NASA always are talking about) thinking about a dog running in
the wrong direction with no head. Probubly my spirit was out doing
all sorts of good stuff though. I got the feeling that all this 
information that is in this collection should be preserved for posterity
some way. Everybody had a good time on the OOBE train. A bunch of them
showed up at my house last night. One of these days we'll have to get
this thing all organized but then it would not be as much fun.
John Winston.
From: bi757@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Stutsman)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Blindness & Justice (A Course In Miracles)
Date: 11 Oct 1992 21:14:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Actually, karma is more like evolution, than some sort of 'set up"
You created it, you get the chance(s) to overcome it.
-- 
    \ GEnie   E.Stutsman
     \ CIS    76066,1204
From: gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Tom Gorski)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Question for Arnold (was Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:30:06 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin

In article <1992Oct13.035505.14145@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
>
>: In article <Oct.8.07.01.10.1992.11684@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:

[Big shooting match deleted...(wow!)]

>but all you've proven to everyone here is that you're ....
>...an intolerant, no different than the
>Pharisees that your beloved Christ was so angry with.  "I never knew ye",
>Arnold...

Um...Arnold?  As you know, I certainly don't go out of my way to see
the universe as Ed does [Hi Ed!  Figured out your enlightenment yet?  Hah!
Good luck!  :-) ], but I think he brings up a worthwhile point here.

Could you please illuminate for my meager eyes, the essential difference 
between your conduct, that of vocal espousement of a well-codified orthodoxy,
with a not-so-subtle undertone of intolerance, to that of the Pharisees
of Jesus' day?

I think Ed makes a insightful point when he observes that, specific
details of doctrine aside, your attitudes seem to parallel those of the
priests and pharisees, in the bible stories which we have all read since
childhood.

Not a flame here Arnold, just an honest and fair (and tough!) question.

--Tom G.
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From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 05:05:01 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> Dear People: Please disregard all of the letters behind my name. My 
> computer is acting up. I woke up with what I consider to be a profound
> thought and that is WE ARE ALL ALIENS. By that I mean that we as a 
> civilization did not originate or evolve on this particular planet.
> John Winston.

So?

=Doug

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From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (The only thing God didn't do to Job was give him a computer.)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:32:35 EST

> In article <1992Oct8.191334.6246@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>>Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
>>
>>I seriously doubt your claim.  There are hundreds of thousands of people
>>working for relief agencies all around the world, and they can't ALL be
>>Christians.
>>
> 
> Name the Buddhist/Hindu ones?  


well, nothing is as useless as presenting mere facts to some religious
bigot, but how about the Buddhist Children's Fund which is headquartered
in Hawaii? - a save-the-children type organization. How about Seva, which
finances an eye hospital and various charitable in Central and South
America? 
And these are only two buddhist charitable organizations in a very 
un-buddhist country. I'm sure there are many more here in the states that 
I don't know about and of course if you visited any buddhist country 
with an open <"AAUUGHH! ANYTHING BUT THAT!"> mind, you'd find countless more.

   ando.

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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: LLNL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185528.15804@tc.fluke.COM> nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
>
>In article <Oct.8.07.01.10.1992.11684@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
$ In article <1992Oct7.165840.14358@tc.fluke.COM>, nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
$ > 
$ Number two, in Hindu and Buddhist belief, no creature is any more or
$ any less important than a human is.  
>
>Isn't that wonderful.  Hindu and Buddhist have just degraded humankind 
>to that of maggots.  This human being is is no less or no more important
>to that of a this or that maggot.  In Christianity, man is a unique creation
>of a personal God and is an important creation of a personal God.

	Watch yourself, Arnold Nordeng. You might be reincarnated as
one, so if you get in trouble, don't come crawling to me :-):-):-)

	But if you do, you might be fortunate enough to grow up into a
fly, which should be _very_ fun.

$ Killing any living creature has
$ negative consequences.  The caste system is in part a result of a
$ particular class of people coopting and redefining the tenets of a
$ religion. Not too different from what has gone on in Christianity
$ through the ages.
>
>It isn't all that far of a stretch of an imagination since we are no
>more or less valuable than maggots.  Get it?

	"Value" is a rather relative term. After all, I'm sure that
every one of us considers their friends and relaties more valuable
than strangers...

$ Number four (flame on 8-])
$ You want to talk about silly superstitions. Man was created four
$ thousand years ago? 
>
>No, between 6000 and 50,000 years ago.  Show me a truly human skeleton
>over 50000 years and show me how you dated it.

	What you get before that are skeletons that look partly ape
and partly human -- the farther back in time, the more simian.

$ He was created imperfect, and then punished for
$ being imperfect?  
>
>He was created good. Where is it said he was created imperfect?

	Humanity is neither fundamentally good nor fundamentally bad.

$ He was cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge?  
>
>He was not cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge.  He was
>cast out for being disobedient to God.  Free will and free choice
>was given, to obey or not to obey God.

	Then why should that God of yours complain about the results?

	It's like pouring too much coffee into your cup and then
complaining of its spilling.

	I have little respect for crybabies like that.

/Loren
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:31:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Monster Watchers: Be advised Stan says Big Foot doesn't stink. 
I maintain that some of them do, with great justo.
John Winston.
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Practicalities
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:44:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson) says:

>Do any of you enlightened denizens of the new age have any practical
>advice for stopping smoking? I figure it's about time.
>
Yes: Read all the scientific reports about how it will kill you AND the
people around you. If that doesn't make you stop, nothing will :-)

Tony
-- 
Tony Alicea
Annapolis
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From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:38:51 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> Dear Earth Folk: As most of you know Kibo has been elected the Spokesman
> of the Earth. Long live Kibo.  What would you say if you 
> were the representative of a certain planet like Monka is, if these
> people were sending probes and radio transmissions to other planet when
> they already had frozen pilots of these other planets and only unthawed
> these pilots every few years to interogate them about advanced weaponry?
> What would you tell your own People.
> John Winston

I think I would tell them to stop reading the National Enquirer, take a
cold shower, pinch themselves a couple of times and settle in with a
copy of The Pickwick Papers by a nice warm fire.

And oh, yes, give your wife and kids a nice warm hug and if latitude
permits, catch the Northern Lights while checking your trap lines.

Some hot toddy would likely help.

That is what I would tell my own people. 

You asked . . .  :-) :-)

=Doug

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From: MSW@MPLVAX.SRI.COM (Mark S. Williams - Ag213)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Is life too Hard? or A Spiritual Exercise
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:41:45 GMT
Organization: Molecular Physics Laboratory, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA


If life is too hard, sing HU, and ancient name for GOD. It's a love
song to GOD. Do it like this: HUUUUUUUU....(pronounced like the man's
name Hugh). It represents the love of GOD for Soul. And we are Soul.

Singing HU out loud or quietly to yourself for 20 minutes a day with
your eyes closed (preferably at the same time each day) will help you
have a greater connection to GOD, and the Light and Sound of GOD, or
Spirit.

The Light can be seen as a blue star or dot of light (sometimes other
colors). The Sound can be heard as a ringing in the ears or other sounds
such as thunder, the sound of a waterfall, bells, running water, bees,
or a flute.

Regardless of your beliefs or religion, you can sing HU to become happier
and more secure in GOD's love.

If you would like more information about HU, let me know.

Mark Williams
msw@mplvax.sri.com

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