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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: PC lives
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:10:41 GMT

In article <BznJMK.Hqs@ns1.nodak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
>The discussion about PC has a few uninformed that believe PC doesn't
>exist.

	PC does exist -- on both the Left and the Right.

So how do you explain Clinton ONLY considering a woman for EPA
>director?

	Did you wiretap his office(s) and find out what went on?

How do you explain Clinton ONLY considering Donna Shalala for
>her job?  (Other than Donna being a longtime, close friend of Hillary's.)

	Maybe she's well qualified, for all we know.

	In these two cases, would only Phyllis Schlafly make you happy?

>How do you explain the mock trial of Christopher Columbus in Minneapolis?

	One may ask whether or not it was fair, but what would _you_
prefer? The attitude that the only good Indian is a dead Indian?

>How do you explain the furor over the MLK holiday, when MLK doesn't really
>rate a holiday?  (He's the only, single person with his own holiday, Jefferson,
>Lincoln, Washington, etc. either don't have holiday's or share them.  I don't
>deny the good MLK did, but to single him out is, in effect, saying he is the
>greatest American that has ever lived.)

	Who would _you_ prefer to honor? The founder(s) of the Ku Klux Klan?

>PC is alive and well, don't believe otherwise.

	Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.

	Nothing I can't stand more than whining from someone who's
belligerently aggressive.
-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Macroeconomics 101
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:28:46 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:32:27 GMT

In article <995@blue.cis.pitt.edu> John S Lundberg, jsl+@pitt.edu writes:
>A lot of the economic problems of this country have absolutely nothing
>to do with the government but people still seem to have the expectation
>that they can install a new wizard in the Land of Oz who will fix all.
>Or, conversely, they see a new wizard installed and start to believe that
>if only we could get rid of the wizard that everything would be fine. 
It's
>all self-delusion.

To a certain extent, I agree with you. However, one thing the government
can do is provide start-up capital, encouragement, and protection for
small start-up companies to compete with these large bloated corporations
which have forgotten how to be competitive. These corporations are in
dire need of competitors INSIDE the U.S. to provide new jobs and shake
them out of their lethargy. These corporations are run by "fat cats" who
make huge sums of money regardless of the health or prospects of
the corporations they manage. Bad performance is levelled on the backs
of the employees who had no say in the decisions which brought the
companies to their abysmal conditions.

When was the last time this country had a start-up auto manufacturer
which was not run by the Big 3? The Big 3 and the government have colluded
for decades to squash any attempt at competition from new US auto
firms. The situation is not quite so bad in the computer industry, but it
is
getting worse. There have been massive failures of small hardware and
software manufacturers in the last two years, much of the time due
to "squeeze outs" by the larger companies.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Macroeconomics 101
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:31:49 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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In article <993@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul S Galvanek, psg+@pitt.edu writes:
>Hell I even have an article (waiting for a more appropriate time 8^)  
>that appeared in one of the national left wing rags, the day after the
>election, that has the Clinton people says " well the economy may not
>have been in as bad a shape as the media led us to believe).

More insight from unnamed sources by P. Galvanek....

Listen the fact of the matter is that: a.) the economy hasn't been doing
"well"
since April. Business failures are still high, unemployment is still
high, and
the "recovery" in the GDP has been extremely weak. b.) most of us who have
looked at our economic situation do not blame Bush for the economic
cycling.
However, we do blame both Bush and Reagan for a substantial part of our
public debt and the huge deficits of the past 12 years. We blame them for
talking fiscal responsibility and acting irresponsibly (presenting budgets
with huge deficits which were higher than the budgets which were passed
by Congress. We blame them for bloating our defense industries. We blame
them for ignoring the need for investment in infrastructure and R&D. Most
importantly, we blame them for supply-side economics, which, because there
was no direction of the money into the economy to enhance long-term
growth,
failed to trickle-down as promised. c.) most of us blame Bush and Reagan
for
failing to provide leadership to solve several domestic problems which
have reached criticality:

Health care
Unemployment
AIDS
Education
long term scientific and engineering research and development
social program reform
a national energy policy
the space program
the environment
urban infrastructure repair
urban renewal
job training and creation

The only statements we have heard from them on these issues
have been vacuous lip service.

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:55 PST
Subject: Re: Appointments & Perceptions
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I have no opinion so far on this except for one thing:  the commentators
are back talking about "special interest groups" and seem to mean by
that blacks, women, gays, Hispanics, disabled people, i.e., everybody
*except* white male heterosexuals, who I guess are just regular folks.
Has anybody every called white male heterosexuals a "special interest group"
--surely somebody has, but did she ever get to say it on network TV?

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Cybernetic Samurai)
Subject: Re: THE CLINTON CABINET
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:58:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.154840.6233@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
|> In article <991@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul S Galvanek, psg+@pitt.edu writes:
|> >Yes Norman I did.  And I recall quite distinctly his numerous claims
|> >that "we have a plan to grow the economy"  and I also remember very
|> >clearly, his being asked to refute the claims of his opponents, both
|> >Perot and Bush, that his plan was nothing more than pandering, and
|> >promises and lacked any hard numbers or specifics; to which he replied
|> >that was not true and his "plan was very specific and detailed" and
|> >all we and the reporters had to do was look.
|> >
|> >There never was a plan for the economy, only a plan to get elected. 
|> 
|> OK Paul, keep deluding yourself...ignore the fact that this plan, although
|> Clinton claimed the numbers would probably change (public record), is
|> very detailed in program content (unlike Bush's which had no numbers
|> or program content). While your at it, continue ot be so naive to think
|> that a candidate under such an attack is going to say "yes, I admit that
|> my plan has no content but is only pandering", even if it were true.
|> 

I admit Clintons plan was better than Bush's because he did atl least
put numbers to it.  But, I must say I saw the plan, and read his book.
The numbers in the plan don't add up and the plan doesn't address half
what is in the book as far as new programs go.

|> The people who looked at the plan who actually count, the economists,
|> endorsed the plan, not for the numbers or schedule which Clinton and
|> the economists admitted must surely change, but for the programmatic
|> actions and philosophy and the comprehensive nature of it. Read the
|> statements made by some of this countries leading economists before
|> you continue to embarass yourself.
|> 

Hmm, economists count?  Sorry I do not think so. IMHO.  Again, the
programatic actions, philosophy, and comprehensive nature of it are a
sham.  They contradict themselves, oveer and over.

|> Finally, why don't you at least admit that your ramblings mean nothing
|> until he actually takes office and presents legislation proposals to
|> congress. The proof is in the putting, not in the predicting.
|> 

Absolutely!

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
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From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Subject: PC lives
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:30:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

The discussion about PC has a few uninformed that believe PC doesn't
exist.  So how do you explain Clinton ONLY considering a woman for EPA
director?  How do you explain Clinton ONLY considering Donna Shalala for
her job?  (Other than Donna being a longtime, close friend of Hillary's.)
How do you explain the mock trial of Christopher Columbus in Minneapolis?
How do you explain the furor over the MLK holiday, when MLK doesn't really
rate a holiday?  (He's the only, single person with his own holiday, Jefferson,
Lincoln, Washington, etc. either don't have holiday's or share them.  I don't
deny the good MLK did, but to single him out is, in effect, saying he is the
greatest American that has ever lived.)

PC is alive and well, don't believe otherwise.
From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Columbus vs Indians (was Re: PC lives)
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:31:10 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Dec29.005825.5906@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:

>There is no reason whatsoever to revile Columbus. The guy is long dead.
>The attacks on Columbus are really attacks on our "evil" society
>for having destroyed some ideal "native american" society 500 years ago.
>What foolishness!

There's a very good reason to attack him: he's being celebrated as a great
hero.  History has long been revised to portray him as a hero, when in fact
there's a great deal of evidence that he was anything but a hero.  Whether
or not you believe that, his journey certainly was a prelude to the massive
injustice which was to take place.  Native Americans are highly offended by
our celebration of Columbus, are justifiably so.  They're offended by the
ridiculous portrayal of the Indian by the American entertainment industry,
and justifiably so.  You would probably be upset if ex-marines were portrayed
in an offensive manner; why can't you understand it's done to others?

This country doesn't have an admirable early history, by any reasonable
standard.  Extermination of the indians, enslavement of the blacks, it's
pretty sick stuff.  We can only go from where we are now, so it wouldn't be
fair to blame us today for the misdeeds of those who lived in the past.  But
that doesn't give us the right to celebrate them, either.  When Columbus is
no longer celebrated for the hero he wasn't, then there will be little reason
to attack him; until that day, we have to fight against the warped view of
American history with which children are being inculcated.

  - Dave Borden
    borden@m5.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd)
Subject: Re: Bob Dole, Sore Loser
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:46:08 GMT

exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson) writes:

> You sure have a lot of nerve 
>identifiing your self with us considering all of the stuff you've 
>spewed that are hateful vindictive things. Name calling went out
>in elementary school.

Uh, didn't some jerk recently call a U.S. Senator (and now the Vice President
Elect) a "crazy bozo ozone man"?
-- 
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From: briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Republican Utopia
Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.181211.20082@anasazi.com> briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:
>In article <92354.105355ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>>
>><Article (by Robert Hirschfield) copied from "USA Today," Wednesday 16, 1992>
>>              <Robert is a well-known TV producer and writer.>
>>
>>THE'VE MET THE GOAL OF GETTING "GOVERNMENT OFF THE BACKS OF PEOPLE."
>>
>>     Somalia just may represent the end result of right-wing politics in this
>>country.
>
>And the Former USSR countries plus most of Eastern Europe just may represent 
>the end result of left-wing politics in this country.  
>
>Take your pick, starving with a gun or starving out a gun.
					         ^^^
				     That was "without a gun"
From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson, xt-dL)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bob Dole, Sore Loser
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:32:11 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 19383@netcom.com, nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd) writes:
>exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson) writes:
>
>> You sure have a lot of nerve 
>>identifiing your self with us considering all of the stuff you've 
>>spewed that are hateful vindictive things. Name calling went out
>>in elementary school.
>
>Uh, didn't some jerk recently call a U.S. Senator (and now the Vice President
>Elect) a "crazy bozo ozone man"?

Boy, you got your wires crossed. Learn how to read posts or at least remember
who said what.  I have never said such a thing! I like Sentor Gore and I actually
voted for him in '88 in the democratic primary.  I think he will make a great V.P., 
its just the President Elect I'm unsure of.
  
Derek  
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From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Where are the Prawns?)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:33:55
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In-reply-to: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:39:06 GMT

In article <BzFAt9.ApL@andy.bgsu.edu> jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:

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   session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
   > krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

   [ ... a mild debate going on about facilities in the military ... ]

   those billetting areas not only had open showers (no big deal, if
   that's all you've ever known), but they'd also removed all the
   doors off of the individual toilet stalls.  After dinner, during
   rush hour, you actually had to sit across from someone and
   watch them do their business while you sat there and did yours,
   about three feet away, in facing stalls.  

And at that moment, you're thinking how glad you are that they're not
gay?  I mean, if the open toilet stalls don't bother you, why would
the sexual orientation of your co-defecators?

John C


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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Cable competition! (was Re: Tolls on the federal highways!)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:54:28 GMT

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>
>If your town is anything like mine, then the reason there is only one
>cable company, is because the town counsel in it's infinite widsom
>decided to grant an exclusive franchise.
>
>This law is another example of more government interference, trying
>to undo the damage of previous government interference.

There is probably a limit to the U.S. federal government's ability to
bust these local trusts.  So far, it is only that program providers
must sell their software to anybody with a legitimate system that
comes by with cash ... monopoly franchise cableco's like those that
ravage Manhattan will be faced with being regulated via status quo or
surrendering the monopoly (with their bagmen suggesting to their buds
on City Council not to offer further monopoly to others).

>I agree with you, that the kind of partial regulation we were seeing
>sucks.  The answer is to go to full deregulation, not full regulation.

Yes!  And, check out last week's NYT Business articles on an
experimental cable system in Brighton Beach that uses microwave
technology to broadcast a full basic menu plus two movie channels
for $29.95 a month.

gld
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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Columbus vs Indians (was Re: PC lives)
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:15:59 GMT
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briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:
: In article <nate.975@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
: >(Loren I. Petrich) writes:
: >>green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
: 
: [deleted stuff]
: >>>PC is alive and well, don't believe otherwise.
: >
: >>       Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.
: >
: >>       Nothing I can't stand more than whining from someone who's
: >>belligerently aggressive.
: >
: >    Perhaps. I'm not sure though whether you meant to include as 
: >"belligerently aggressive" those misguided activists who are attempting 
: >to rewrite the history of North America with Chris Columbus as the chief 
: >villian. If they need a villian then why not pick on Cortez or one of the 
: >other conquistadors?
: 
: Yeah sure, and while we're at it, lets add on Cooke and what he did to the
: Hawaiians.  He's a white male and new exactly what pox, VD and other
: wonderful diseases his men had would do to the natives, thereby clearing the 
: way for Hyatt and Hilton to eventually steal their land and sell it to the
: Japanese. 8-;
: 
: (Just for those that don't get sarcasm, I'm agreeing with Nathan.  It's a
: pretty cowardly thing to lay the blame on a single man when two cultures clash
: and one is decimated out of sheer ignorance.)

It wasn't just ignorance; the Spanish (and the English, for that
matter) killed quite a few Indians on purpose, and enslaved many
more, and in fact, smallpox was often used as a weapon.  The extent
of the deliberate massacres has been exagerated, but the fact
remains that the Spanish conquest of Central and South America was
extremely brutal.
And yes, many of the native inhabitants were just as brutal; why
that is often seen as an excuse for the Europeans is beyond me.

Bill     : 
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From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Re: Macroeconomics 101
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:27:50 GMT

geturner@aer.com. (George Turner) writes:

>I think Bill Clinton was elected mostly because the press created such
>a negative view of George Bush. Every problem in the United States has
>been blamed on the Republicans.  I think George Bush has done a great
>job managing the US economy during a world wide recession.  He has done
>all the right things, he has opened our borders and not created barriers
>to trade.

The reasons I voted against George Bush were because he undermined
the Constitution, illegally circumvented the reasonable requests of
my elected representatives, continued to wage a fruitless and costly
drug war without remorse, put his VP in charge of stripping the meat
out of environmental regulations, seemed detached and unhelpful on
education and retraining programs, let HUD wallow after Reagan left
it to scandal, and he was so technologically isolated as to be amazed
by a grocery store checkout scanner.

Maybe the press reported these things, but I think in general the facts
have been substantiated.

Tell me, what exactly do you think Bush did for the economy, aside
from doing nothing?
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