From: CNguyen.osbu_north@xerox.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [SOCIAL] Chicago/Illinois SCV'ers. Was Re: Doing business in Vietnam.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:33:25 GMT
Reply-To: Cuong_M._Nguyen.OSBU_North@xerox.com
Organization: N/A
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu


From:	nbt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Nguyen Thanh Binh)
>...
>To^i dda~ co' la^`n dde^'n tha<m ca'c em na`y...ca'c ba.n co' the^? tu*o*?ng
>tu*o*.ng ddu*o*.c 5 em pha?i so^'ng du*o*'i mo^.t basement cha^.t he.p,
thie^'u
>a'nh sa'ng, thie^'u ve^. sinh va` nga^.p nu*o*'c co^'ng.  La. lu`ng thay !!!,
>co' em ta^m su*. vo*'i to^i ra<`ng :"...Anh a`, tu.i em mo^` co^i cha me.
>tha^`y to^'t vo*'i., tu.i em kho^ng da'm ddo`i ho?i gi` ho*n. " To^i cu~ng
xu'c
>ddo^.ng la<'m vi` cha^n ti`nh cu?a ca'c em na`y ddo^'i vo*'i Nguye^~n Trung
>Hie^^'u...Nhu*ng lo`ng to^i kho^ng kho?i ca<'n ru*'t vi` D.M (chu*?i the^`)
sao
>Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u ta`n nha^~n, tham lam dde^'n the^' na`y ddu*o*.c !@#@!#
>...

I hope you have reported this case to the local Government Social Services.
It's a serious crime to do those things to these children, the guy got to be
punished. On the other hand, wouldn't it also be criminal (at least to one's
conscience) when someone knew about it and did nothing to stop it?

/cuong

P.S.
	I need comments from other Chicago/Illinois netters about this case. If
it's still going on we'd better do something to stop it NOW.




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From:	nbt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Nguyen Thanh Binh)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Apparently-To: scv-relay@media.mit.edu
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In article <1992Jul23.022301.28489@equalizer.fps.com>, luong@fps.com (Luong
Nguyen-Duy) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul22.231100.22598@news.media.mit.edu> bui@berlioz.nsc.com
writes:
|> >
|> >Not all, but among those who favor unconditional lifting of the embargo
|> >are those who have business dealing with VN, or family ran business. Their
|> >main concern is profit.
|> >
|>
|> It seems that in general we dislike people who do business in/with Vietnam.
|> Could someone give me the reasons, please ?  The majority of us we want
|>|> capitalism in VN, and these people are doing just that -- business.
|> There seems to be a contradiction here.  On the one hand we want
|> capitalism; on the other we scorn those who practices it.
|> So I am confused to the distrust/hatred/dislike toward them.
|>
|>
|> Luong Nguyen-Duy



	Thu*.c ra la`m a<n buo^n ba'n kho^ng co' gi` la` sai tra'i xa^'u xa
ca?. Ho*n nu*~a
(theo to^i) co`n ne^n ddu*o*.c khuye^'n khi'ch nu*~a la` kha'c.  Va^'n dde^`
o*? dda^y, thu*a
o^ng Lu*o*ng, la` ngu*o*`i na`o la`m business ???, ho. la`m gi`, ho. no'i gi` ?
ngoa`i tu*
lo*.i nhu*~ng o^ng thu*o*ng gia la`m a<n vo*'i Vie^.t Co^.ng ba^y gio*` co`n
co' mu*u ddo^` gi`?
ho. quen bie^'t, mo'c no^'i vo*'i Vie^.t Co^.ng ba<`ng ca'ch na`o ???

	Ne^'u ba.n chiu. kho' suy nghi~ the^m mo^.t chu't cha<'c ba.n cu~ng
kho^ng la^'y la`m
la. ... ta.i sao hie^.n nay kho^ng ma^'y ai u*a ma^'y tay kinh ta`i na`y.

	Vi' du. nhu* Ngo^ Thanh Nha`n, Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u, Bu`i V. DDa.o va`
gia ddi`nh,
La^m To^n, ba` Nguye^~n Thi. Tho* ...vv la` nhu*~ng thu*o*ng buo^n ba^'t
chi'ch, nguy hie^?m,
co' ha.i cho ddo^`ng ba`o trong nu*o*'c, tie^'p tay (vuo^'t dduo^i) Co^.ng Sa?n
chi? vi` tu* lo*.i,
me^ hoa<.c mo^.t so^' ba.n thanh nie^n thie^'u kinh nghie^.m ba<`ng mo^`i danh
lo*.i. Ho. co' dda'ng
tin kho^ng ?  ho. co' dda'ng phu.c kho^ng ? Su*. tha^.t ho. la` ai ?  ha.ng
ngu*o*`i na`o ?

	Thu*a o^ng Lu*o*ng, o^ng cho ra<`ng to^i ma.t sa't nhu*~ng te^n gian
thu*o*ng ke^?
tre^n la` qu'a dda'ng cha<ng ?  Thu*? ho?i

	1-) Ngo^ Thanh Nha`n la` ai ?  dda~ la`m gi`?  ddang la`m gi` ? la`m
the^' na`o o^ng Nha`n
	co' lie^n he^. buo^n ba'n vo*'i Vie^.t Co^.ng ?  Ngoa`i lo*.i i'ch ca'
nha^n o^ng Nha`n
 	tie^'p tay nuo^i du*o*~ng mo^.t chi'nh quye^`n phi nha^n.  DDo^`ng ba`o
trong va` ngoa`i
	nu*o*'c xin lu*u y' ke? na`y.

	2-) Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u (Chicago) Dr. of Sociology, tru*o*?ng ho^.i
Nghia~ Sinh Internatinal
	tha^`y gia'o tru*o*`ng trung ho.c Clemente Academy H.S., Advisor cho
tho^'ng do^'c Illinois
	ve^` DDo^ng Nam A', ddo^.c tha^n, va` dda~ ra^'t nhie^`u la^`n tu*.
khen mi`nh :" Ne^'u Tha^`y
	co' gia ddi`nh se~ kho^ng co' tho*`i gio*` nhie^`u cho ca'c em, cho
ho^.i ddoa`n tu*` thie^.n,
	cho du*. ddi.nh mo*? tru*o*`ng DDa.i Ho.c o*? Vie^.t Nam trong tu*o*ng
lai."

	Impressive !!! Su*. tha^.t Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u la` ha.ng ngu*o*`i
na`o ?  Nhu*~ng ba.n
	o*? Chicago thu*? kie^?m chu*'ng nhu*~ng lo*`i le~ xa?o tra' cu?a o^ng
na`y thay to^i.

	Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u lo*.i du.ng chie^u ba`i la`m vie^.c thie^.n
nguye^.n, giu'p ddo*~
	ddo^`ng ba`o ti. na.n ddi.nh cu* vo*'i hai mu.c ddi'ch chi'nh:

	   1-) La^.u thue^'
	   2-) Lo*.i du.ng su*. thie^'u hie^?u bie^'t cu?a ddo^`ng ba`o mo*'i
qua dde^? la`m lo*.i

	       Ta'n ta^.n lu*o*ng ta^m ho*n nu*~a, o^ng Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u
ba?o la~nh mo^.t so^'
	tre? em kho^ng tha^n nha^n tu*` tra.i Tha'i Lan.  Lo*.i du.ng ca'c em
na`y dde^? xin tie^`n
	ca'c ho^.i ddoa`n tu*` thie^.n (ba^?n kho^ng co`n cho^? no'i), la`m
vie^.c lao ddo^.ng
	kho^ng co^ng (vi` thie^.n nguye^.n mo*`) su*?a appartment, nha` rie^ng
cu?a vo*. cho^`ng
	va` the^m ma^'y ddu*'a con cu?a o^ng Hie^'u(DDo^'n ma.t!!!).  To^i dda~
co' la^`n dde^'n
	tha<m ca'c em na`y...ca'c ba.n co' the^? tu*o*?ng tu*o*.ng ddu*o*.c 5
em pha?i so^'ng
	du*o*'i mo^.t basement cha^.t he.p, thie^'u a'nh sa'ng, thie^'u ve^.
sinh va` nga^.p nu*o*'c
	co^'ng.  La. lu`ng thay !!!, co' em ta^m su*. vo*'i to^i ra<`ng
:"...Anh a`, tu.i em mo^` co^i
	cha me. tha^`y to^'t vo*'i., tu.i em kho^ng da'm ddo`i ho?i gi` ho*n. "
To^i cu~ng xu'c
	ddo^.ng la<'m vi` cha^n ti`nh cu?a ca'c em na`y ddo^'i vo*'i Nguye^~n
Trung Hie^^'u...Nhu*ng
	lo`ng to^i kho^ng kho?i ca<'n ru*'t vi` D.M (chu*?i the^`) sao Nguye^~n
Trung Hie^'u ta`n nha^~n,
        tham lam dde^'n the^' na`y ddu*o*.c !@#@!#

	       Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u la`m a<n vo*'i Vie^.t Co^.ng ba<`ng ca'ch
na`o ??? la^`n sau
	to^i se~ vie^'t tie^'p...


	Ngo^ Thanh Nha`n, Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u, Bu`i V. DDa.o (cali) cu`ng
dda'm vie^.t co^.ng
	vu*`a ddu*o*.c gu*?i sang Hoa Ky` ddang hoa.ch ddi.nh chu*o*ng tri`nh
la`m a<n mo*'i?, mo*?
	tru*o*`ng DDa.i Ho.c ?, mo*? tra.m y te^', la`m vie^.c tu*` thie^.n,
me^ hoa<.c mo^.t so^'
	thanh nie^n co' chu't ho.c va^'n ba<`ng mo^`i danh lo*.i nhu* the^'
nao` ???

	Ne^'u ba.n na`o muo^'n bie^'t ro? ho*n ve^` nhu*~ng nha^n va^.t buo^n
linh ho^`n, ba'n
	nha^n ti'nh sao kho^ng chi.u kho' bo? thi` gio*`, bo? tie^`n cu?a ra
ma` nghie^n cu*'u
	the^m.


	Cha`o,


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