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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman Animation
Date: 6 Sep 1992 23:36:17 -0700
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In article <kaka.715837634@spruce.cs.uiuc.edu> kaka@cs.uiuc.edu (Aaron Kaka) writes:
>	Well, it still ain't Japanese animation, but it IS a step in the
>	right direction. It is time for the ascension of American animation...

  I'll refrain from commenting on whether or not stepping towards Japanese
animation is a good thing or not...

>	The show is animated stylishly, has a REAL and intelligent plot,
>	and I like the "deep throat" voice!

  Not to be a wet blanket, but I thought the "Man-Bat" story wasn't THAT
great. My biggest gripe was that the identity of the Man-Bat was telegraphed
from a mile away -- as soon as Bruce walked into the lab, the light bulb went
off in my head. Also, the "Batman finds an antidote" solution was a little too
pat and trite for my tastes. In contrast, the Saturday episode ("Claws of the
Cat", or somesuch) was better written IMO.

  Before anyone starts locking flamethrowers on me, I just want to say that
overall I like the new BATMAN cartoon. It's not perfect (where "perfect" is
defined as an animated version of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS  B-), but it's
worthy of respect and not a Smurfesque insult to the viewer. On the other
hand, I don't _love_ the show. I'll watch it if I can, but I won't be
building a library of episodes. As much as I enjoyed the two episodes that
have aired so far, I don't have an urge to see them again. I'd rather see new
episodes instead.

                                                --R.J.
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From: kaka@cs.uiuc.edu (Aaron Kaka)
Subject: Batman Animation
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:47:14 GMT

	Well, it still ain't Japanese animation, but it IS a step in the
	right direction. It is time for the ascension of American animation...

	The show is animated stylishly, has a REAL and intelligent plot,
	and I like the "deep throat" voice!

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From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Subject: Re: Laserdisk Players
Originator: jmkaraka@c00079-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:09:32 GMT


	There's a beaut I saw at sears (nope, I can't remember the name), that
had two heads (so you didn't have to flip it, natch), awesome sound
reproduction (of course they had it hooked up to 6 Bose speakers), AND
could play 5 CD's without removing the laserdisk.  Hopefully the price
on that one will drop soon.

	-john 'technolust, I have it bad' karakash-
From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Re: Batman Animation
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:20:56 GMT

In article <kaka.715837634@spruce.cs.uiuc.edu> kaka@cs.uiuc.edu (Aaron Kaka) writes:
>	Well, it still ain't Japanese animation, but it IS a step in the
>	right direction. It is time for the ascension of American animation...

I think the style of the series is intended and is somewhat of a trophy of
what American animators can do on a T.V. budget (whatever THAT may mean
nowadays)..One of the striking features of the animation was I noticed the
colors "looked" right for the often near midnight settings; no typical
day-glow colored cartoon characters..And I truly believe it's not because
they dumped more money in the project (probably a little more for
some of those snazzy f/x), but because the animators gave a little thought
about what they were drawing; great animation always takes talent, not
essencially big bucks.. Also, the animation market is booming for
quite some time in the U.S>; and some animaators with some good drawing
talent is in effect..

>
>	The show is animated stylishly, has a REAL and intelligent plot,
>	and I like the "deep throat" voice!
>
Some could argue on intelligent plot (I could use a little more character
development, but it'll come soon enough I suspect), but the fact that
plot is biting caught my attention,; characters getting angry, showing
some remorse, a little FEELING, and that violence had consequences in the
plot..(NOTE: Batman gots bruises when running into large objects..)

And plus (something I found extremely inviting) the fact that a little
commercial with Bobby from Bobby's world mentioned that parents should
really know what their kids are watching, because some things just aren't
acceptable for a young kid with parental guidence..(I believe there is an
article that states that on the avg., television can be given a PG rating,
not G..)...The fact that they did that really puts the message right in
people's face; animation is not just for kids and in some case, NOT for kids)

If more highly stylized animation comes out from America, you can bet a lot
more serious attention will be put to it..(DREAM: A serious animated soap
opera/maxi-series in U.S...[well, not THAT serious, but not essensially
comedy either..])

Jyanken
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Fist of the North Star
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:58:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.anime
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep14.232003.24676@news.Hawaii.Edu>, nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.030958.2879@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
> >
> >3)  Unfortunately, FotNS is a film whose enjoyment level drops considerably
> >    if you understand what the characters are actually saying.  :-(
> 
>      Here we go again Conty. I would think that you would have remembered
> my posts from before on the subject

I do!  I do!  :-)  But my opinion still stands.

> (do you really understand what the characters are saying?)

I acquired a fan-written script after seeing the Streamline version.
I still didn't like it.  Furthermore, last time we went through this,
you agreed that the movie is inferior to the TV series, which I haven't
seen nor will I comment on.

Redux:  I didn't like FotNS, you do.  We can leave it at that, ne?

Follow-ups to rec.arts.anime.
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Laserdisk Players
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:39:41 GMT

I used to work for Radio Shack, and they sold a nice laserdisk player. It
was, however, rather expensive. The Realistic laserdisk player was about
$450 the last I saw it. It may have come down in price. Go take a look.

Laserdisk players do have better pictures, they don't wear out or glitch 
like tapes do, and the sound is better. However, the media is a bit bulky 
and more expensive than tapes. It's worth it if:


1: You can afford it.

2: You have a reliable source of laserdisks. There isn't one here in Las
Cruces New Mexico, but you can order the latest stuff through the mail.

Hope that helps..

.
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: BATMAN:  "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:08 GMT

We missed the Freeze episode thanks to Cinncinatti Reds baseball (yuck)
but what I have found interesting so far is:

Sat - Catwoman so interested in environmental issues 
Sun - Batman making the trailing remark that the Man bat was gone _for the
	time being_...
Wed - the final shot, with clayface laughing...

Where in the past tv animation has tried to be so final about things, and
	so good vs bad in black and white terms, this series is showing
	major villians working on what could be considered the side of	
	good (even if breaking and entering to steal info on the project
	might be considered misguided - look at the various reporters who
	do quite similar things), and bad guys NOT getting caught.

Now we need some indicating of the good guys not being QUITE so good - some
	might say that was already shown with the klutzy detective going
	after Batman with the tactical squad...
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Subject: poison ivy
From: <JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 14:39:38 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

     does anyone know when poison ivy and ras-al-ghul will appear on the
          animated series?



      sincerely, james smith---university of north dakota
From: tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BATMAN
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:17:35 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Like many people in this group, I've become hooked on the new Batman 
series.  The artwork is wonderful, the stories are intelligent, 
everything about the production has quality stamped all over it.

Still not used to the odd-shaped face they gave the Dark Knight, but 
maybe it's easier to animate.

One detail I appreciate:  the detailed voice credits at the end of each 
episode.  True, you can only read them if you tape the show, and some of 
the minor characters who sound as if they're voiced by actors given other 
credits for the episode aren't identified, but it's better than the usual 
alphabetical list of 200 names given by most series!

I hope if some half-hour prime time show fizzles this season, FOX will 
replace it with what is possibly the best 30-minute series they've ever 
shown, IMHO at least, Batman: The Animated Series.

Tom
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Subject: Batman
From: darkstar@gacvx1.gac.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:46:08 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
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Just thought I would post my 2 cents on the Batman series.

	The feel of the show is very interesting, I have the impression of the
Dark Knight series, only not quite as brutal.  Styleistically though...
	Also, the very human nature of Mr. Freeze in his episode, a truley
tragic figure as opposed to a 'comic book villian' who has no reason to be a
criminal.  I hope that they keep up the good work.
	As to the idea that this is the first animation of Batman in 57
years... Anybody remember saturday mornings and the League of Superheroes or
somesuch with the whole pantheon of heroes?  Admittedly it was childish enough
to almost turn me off Batman as a child, but this new series redems it for me.

		High Lord Darkstar
		<<darkstar@gacvx1.gac.edu>>
		aka. Gregory M. Johnson
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From: gel@kepler.unh.edu (Geoffrey E Littlefield)
Subject: Re: Batman (9/7) -- what's the deal?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:55:05 GMT


   When was Batman on today?  I thought it was supposed to air at
4:30pm, but found I was woefully mistaken upon returning home and
viewing Tom and Jerry Babies or something on my tape :( instead.

   Email or post, doesn't matter...

   Thanks!

     Geoff

       

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject:  Batman 9/10  "'It's Never Too Late'"
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:36:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.010722.7839@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> Today's story was a nice change of pace, as most of the really important
> action was psychological (yeah, like the previous episodes have been bereft
> of that element }->).  It was pleasant to see the mobster not turn over a
> new leaf right away, but to try and fix his problems the "old way".

 9/10/92    "It's Never Too Late"      Spectrum          Gangsters

This is the kind of Batman story that I liked when I was reading the comic.
Not award-winning literature, but a nice little story.  They could have
used with a better voice actor for Father Stromwell, though.  This guy emoted
like a wooden plank.

Next up:  The Joker, and he looks positively mahvelous!  AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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From: dcm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (D. Chris Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Gotham City newspaper
Keywords: Cheap printing
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:56:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

--
 
What I thought really showed lack-of-detail was the blank back page
of the newpaper that Batman was reading (about the alleged(sp?) attack on
the one buy by "Bruce Wayne") in "Feat of Clay, Pt. 1".
 
The scene where they show the two thugs pouring that goop onto the guy
with the face problem (can't remember names :( ) with the shadows left me
wondering if the guy was swallowing the goop, or if it was being poured
next to him, since I didn't see it piling on him.
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From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but..
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:04:17 GMT

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

>a Japanese show called LODOSS WAR that I have never seen, but is supposedly
>based on Dungeons and Dragons the way it SHOULD be.  I want to get a copy

Do that. You'll love it. Check out rec.arts.anime and ask a question about it.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Child Endangermet and a crummy keyboard
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

I can't edit this post because the terminal I am on has its cyursor keys
screwed up, so hre's hoping I don';t maek to many mistakes (4 already, sigh)

I've seen something on the animation area every now and then about a "child
endangerment" caluse (clasue, arrrgh clause) clause preventing certain stories
from airing in animation.  This is run by "standards and Practices?"  What is
thjis?  And how can things like Robotech (with scenes of 2 year-olds being
blasted in to obiluivion) still be shown every k// now ans then if these shows
cant endanger children?

Just curious
 
(Sorry for the atrocios speelling and grammer, but as I d/ said, I can't do
antyhing about it.  even backspace soesnt work right  it is really wnoyying)

Scott Miller/Sukotto Miraa  ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
My sig is trapped ona floppy somewhere...
"///"Nippon n 

arrrrch,c an't even type my favorite phrase on this stupid machine

"Nippon no anime wa ichi-ban desu!"

There.  I just have to type very slowly and carefully...bye

(Arrgh.  I dound incredibly stupid with all these mistakes.)
From: rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Liquid Television
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:51:24 GMT
Organization: UB

carlinra@vuse2.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>a roach, a kid, and Captain Sarcastic...

The Cap had a role in _Cool World_.

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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: more on Batman
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:55:02 GMT

  Thanks to whoever pointed out the difference in animation companies for
the first episode ("The Cat and the Claw") and Sunday's ("On Leather Wings").
When I saw the first one I thought it was really good, but Sunday's episode
as well as the next one ("Heart of Ice") totally blew me away. The animation
is clearly very different in these two, and much better! The flying sequence
at the end of "On Leather Wings" was brilliantly done. One of my favorite
bits is where Batman's face slams into and cracks the windshield of the
helicopter. Fantastic!
  The character of Mr. Freeze was extremely well done, too. He seemed very
believable. I'm just curious now as to how the show is going to introduce Robin.

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From: mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M. McBride)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Batman and other anim
Summary: Bunch of stuff
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:37:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bu8D5w.MIE@ais.org> mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose) writes:

I wrote:
>>>Tv guide proclaims the new animated batman to be the first animated
>>>batman  on TV (where was this guy for the past 53 years?)
Chris Meadows writes:
>>Now HEAR THIS!  Batman: The Animated Series is *NOT* the first animated
>>Batman on TV in 57 years.  Someone's goofed up BADLY.  I seem to remember
>>a 1970's Batman cartoon starring the voices of Adam West as Batman, and
>>Casey Kasem as Robin.
And someone else writes(forgot who)
>That was Filmation's Batman series.  And Robin wasn't played by Casey Kasem
>in it; that only happened in Hanna-Barbera's versions (Scooby-Doo guest,
>Super Friends).


  NOTE: I was not saying this was the first ANIMATED Batman(I knew it
wasn't) I was just pointing out that someone at TV GUIDE thought it
was...

  A while back I said something about Tiny Toons and the reply:

>Tiny Toons I like.  A Pup Named Scooby Doo I like, as a parody of the
>*original* series.  Tom & Jerry Kids, I *don't* like.  The originals were
>just so frantic, and this is just so...typical, sedated, blah.

>BTW, the Tiny Toons *ARE* original characters.  Didn't you notice the WB
>originals as the Looniversity staff?  And not an inch shorter, either.

>(Exactly ONE commentator got the idea of Tiny Toon Adventures right:
> "Looney Toons: The Next Generation". B) )
 
 LT:TNG? I thought of that but TNG is more orignal. I mean come on.
Practically everyone in TT is model (even by voice) after someone in
Looney Toons. (And yes I did notice the univ) Granted I haven't
watched(thankfully) many of the episodes. But the few I did watch the
kids in TT didn't have new personalities, they tried to act just like
their Looney Tune counterpart. The only differenes is their size and
color.
 
Now I do have to admit(with the exception of the color) the 'feel' of
TT is the same as the feel of LT. Yet from the commercials the feel of

Tom&Jerry kids DOES NOT have the same feel as Tom&Jerry.
I wonder what the movie will be like?

Chris




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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Batman-- animation
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:45:40 GMT

  Why are they using a different animation company for every episode of Batman?
They should stick with whoever did the animation for "On Leather Wings" and make
it more consistent. There really is a large difference in the appearance of some
of the episodes.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: BATMAN:  "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:01:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.043525.16120@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
> 
> Personally, I really liked the Batwing, BECAUSE it was in the movie.
> It was one of my favorite things from the movie, and I like it a lot
> in the cartoon, too.

Ah, but you'll notice that this Batwing is NOT the one from the movie.
For one thing, this one is much more angular and sharp-edged.  If they
HAD used the one from the movie, and maybe modified it slightly to have
the "teardrop" streamlined shape, I wouldn't have complained one bit.

> And you'll notice that the Batmobile in the car-toon greatly resembles
> that from the movies (but nobody's complained about THAT).

No, because they did with the Batmobile what they should have done with
the Batwing (see above).
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Dark Water has gone downhill
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 00:53:51 GMT


I saw the episode of Pirates of Dark Water this Saturday, and didn't
like it.  The series has taken a MAJOR turn for the worse with their 
introduction of the "Darkdweller"--the creature who supposedly "lives
at the center of the earth" and is basically a walking mass of dark
water with a face.  How ridiculous can you get?!  The series started off
great, with Ren's quest to find all the treasures, his companions, their
characterization, etc.  But the introduction of this "Darkdweller" 
smacks too strongly of one of those "eternal villains" cartoons are
always having--the kind who, no matter what the hero does or how badly
he beats them, will always come back to pester him.  

It looks like from now on Ren will be dealing with TWO villains--Bloth,
AND the Darkdweller.  Ugh.

Up to now, nobody knew what the motivating force was behind Dark Water.  
I wish they'd kept the mystery.


---Chris Meadows
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Is there a BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES Episode guide?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:53:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


See Subject: line.  It would be much easier on my VCR if I knew in advance
when are new episodes airing, as opposed to reruns.  I know someone here in
r.a.animation got a TINY TOONS episode guide from Warner.  Could someone
do the same for BATMAN: TAS, or tell me how to do it?
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