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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:05:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38913
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <97306@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>NBA after an official retirement?

Well, there was Joe Barry Carroll in '90-'91.  Real smashing success
that little idea was...

Tony
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:12:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.042205.219700@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER) writes:
>>
>>Divac is overrated.  He's a decent center, and never was, nor is, one
>>of the top-flight centers in the league.  The only time he really looks
>>good is when Worthy/Perkins are playing well (thusly making the job on
>>the inside much easier).  Magic will certainly make him better, but
>>top-flight?  Don't make me laugh.
>>
>If I'm not mistaken Divac was runner up to Robinson for Rookie Of the Year.
>He's young and does pocess good skills for a 7 footer.  This is a man who has
>potential (a steal at where the Lakers drafted him) and Magic has the
>capability of bringing out the potential in young players like Divac and
>hopefully Peeler as well.

Actually, the runner up I think was Tim Hardaway...but Divac, when healthy
is capable of being a pretty good center, although he's had a history of
being inconsistent.  The only time he looks good is when Worthy/Perkins are
playing well?  How do you figure that?  In their last finals run, he played
really well, despite the fact that he could have defended Horace Grant better.
He lead the Lakers in rebounding the whole year, was a decent shot blocker
and shot 57%.  The series he really looked good in was against Houston when
he fought Olajuwon to a standstill.

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Magic signs $14.6M 1-year contract for 1994-1995
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 12:36:23 GMT

On the radio this morning, I heard that Magic Johnson has signed a 1-year
extension to his contract worth $14.6 MILLION.  This would be the largest
contract ever awarded in team sports (obviously).

He is under his current contract for the next two seasons (92-93, 93-94).

Anyone know the specifics?  
Is he guaranteed it, even if he doesn't play? 
Is it really a 'retirement fund'?
How much is he getting this year and next year?

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Rodman Trade Roumor
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:42:35 GMT




Sacramento sports radio was carrying the story that the
Kings are working on a deal to send Wayman Tisdale and 
next year's first round pick to Detroit for Dennis
Rodman. Detriot would probably get a lottery pick in
next year's "weak" draft.  They would also get the
Kings only low post scoring capability.  The Kings would
an extra 20 boards a game.  Overall I have to think
this story is bogus.  How can you give up Rodman?

Greg T.


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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:30:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <97306@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>NBA after an official retirement?

as mentioned already, the cooz & cowens unretired.  my question is:

   when did magic unretire?

   very early into the last season when he found out that retired
   players couldnt sit on bench with the team.  the Lakers placed
   him their Injured Reserve list so he could sit.

   what we just saw was a player coming off the DL.

- nate, :-)
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 05:25:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.224252.29314@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
|> In article <38933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
|> >
|> >A frightening thought just occurred to me:  if Magic plays two more
|> >seasons and then retires (for real) before the 94-95 season, does
|> >this give the Lakers a $7.3 million exception that they can use to
|> >go out and sign, say, four players at $1.825 million each?  Could
|> >this be the gaping loophole in salary cap rules that West and Buss
|> >have discovered?
|> >
|> This could not happen.  They would have a $7.3 mil hole, but they could not
|> break it up.  They would need to use it on one player (not all of it obviously)
|> 
|> C Squared

What you say only applies to trades when a team is over the salary cap.
If a team is over the cap and they want to trade a player they can only
accept a player in return at an equal or lower salary.  They also cannot
accept in return several players whose combined salary equals the salary
of their traded player.  For example, if they have one player making
$2 million, they cannot accept in trade 4 players making $0.5 million.

Salary cap rules for signing free agents and rookies are much more restrictive.
A team only has what is left under the cap after deducting the $7.3 million
exception to sign those type of players.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:30:36 GMT

dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:

>When I read that Detroit made that (insane) offer to Mills I nearly lost my
>breakfast. I am extremely happy that the Nets were not foolish enough to 
>match that offer. IMHO Mills is just NOT that good. He has never put up the 
>numbers that he should have. His weight being 270+ (as reported by the net
>gurus) is just another reason to let him play in Detroit. 

	You'd have to wonder if the Pistons were playing some mind games here.
	After all, they did make that outrageous offer to Jon Koncak a few
	years ago, and the Hawks felt that the Pistons might know something
	that they didn't know, so they went out and matched it.  And look
	where the Hawks are now with Koncak...  I think the Nets were smart
	for once, letting this one slip away.  Good move, Willis...

	Jazzy J
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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Date: 5 Oct 1992 09:41:07 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: priddy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <48122@shamash.cdc.com> jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt) writes:
|
|What will the Lakers do with Threatt?
|
|Sedale proved to be an invaluable replacement when Magic retired.  He will
|now be rellegated to a backup role, probably.  Is it possible that he could
|start at the guard spot?  Sedale is a good defender(could size be a factor?)
|who is an average scorer when he looks for his shot.  Regardless, this 
|
Sounds like he's got Byron Scott's job to me...

If I were coaching the Lakers (I wish), I would start Sedale and
let him bring the ball down the floor.  Byron Scott can ride pine on the
days that Magic plays.

Rick
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:34 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.230609.7069@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
>I thought that he went out on a legendary note.  Yes, the Lakers were
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>overwhelmed by the Bulls, but Magic upset the Blazers (I'll never forget
>him flinging the ball down the court in game 6 to make sure the Blazers
>couldn't foul) before that.  And his performance in the All-Star Game,
>and being a part of the Dream Team ... 

Most people linked Magic's retirement with his announcement of
having contracted the HIV virus. In the light of that stunning
announcement, few people are going to remember the previous season,
and least of all his flinging the ball down the court in game 6.
And not too many people view retirement because of contracting
the AIDS virus as "going out on a legendary note".

Now, if he came back for a season, led his underdog club from nowhere
to a championship, that would be going out on a legendary note.
And that would also go a long way in erasing the stigma that is
associated with people who've contracted the HIV virus.
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:01:37 GMT

In article <38913@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>In article <97306@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>>The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>>NBA after an official retirement?
>
>Well, there was Joe Barry Carroll in '90-'91.  Real smashing success
>that little idea was...
>

Just because it didn't work out for Phoenix, doesn't necessarily
mean it wasn't a smashing success.  After all, it did make J.B.
a easy two million.

Scott

>Tony


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From: bender@riscee.pko.dec.com (Patricia Bender)
Subject: The Pacers go waco 
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:53:28 GMT

I saw the article, thought of the title, and couldn't resist.
Does this have any reflection on the team?  =)

patricia

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Article: 507 of clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Indiana Pacers moving training camp to Texas
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:44:09 PDT

	INDIANAPOLIS (UPI) -- The Indiana Pacers of the NBA, seeking to avoid
distractions, will move their pre-season training camp to Waco, Texas
for a week before returning to Indianapolis.
	The Pacers want to concentrate on basketball and avoid distractions
from the media and other sources, spokesman Tim Edwards said Tuesday.
	Local media will get a chance to photograph and interview players and
coaches on Thursday of next week in Market Square Arena -- the team's
home court.
	The Pacers will then head southwest to Baylor University's Ferrell
Center to open training camp the following day.
	Waco was selected because the Pacers' first exhibition game will be
Oct. 15 in that city against the Dallas Mavericks.
	The Pacers then play at Houston Oct. 17 before returning to
Indianapolis for a pre-season contest against San Antonio.
	The rest of the team's pre-season games include Oct. 23 against
Houston in Cincinnati; Oct. 24 at home against Golden State; Oct. 27 at
Charlotte; Oct. 29 at San Antonio and Oct. 31 at home against Boston.


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: WEEKLY POSTING: Data available for public FTP
Originator: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Las Hermanas de Nuestra Senora de los Pepinares
Distribution: net
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:00:17 GMT

There is a bunch of NBA and NFL data -- stats, records, game scores,
schedules, etc (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public
FTP on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
address 128.252.135.4).  You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
To do so, type:
	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
choice.  The NFL stuff is in the directory
	/pub/nfl
and the NBA stuff is in
	/doc/misc/nbastats/facts
Both directories contain a README file, which will tell you more
about the available data.

The details of the FTP program may be system-dependent.  If in
doubt, consult your system administrators.  (But don't bother
asking me -- I probably don't know.)

Enjoy!

					Gidi


PS:  Lots of thanks to Washington University at St. Louis.
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic signs $14.6M 1-year contract for 1994-1995
Date: 4 Oct 1992 14:01:54 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct2.224123.3944@fasttech.uucp> zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:

>Can someone who understands the NBA "salary cap" rules explain how the Fakers
>pulled this off? Seems like three possibilities:
>
>	1) the Fakers have weaseled thru yet another loophole
>	2) they expect the cap to increase by about $14 million by 1994-1995
>	3) All other Fakers agreed to work for NBA minimum in 1994-1995

4) The 'Fakers' management understands the salary cap rules much better
   than anyone on r.s.b.pro.

chris
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Magic is back!
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:14 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


	Over here in the land of Oz, I was pleased to here this morning
(Wed 30th Sept) that Magic announced that he would make a return to the 
NBA in season 1992-93.  Which I believe will lift the Lakers somewhat.  
I doubt that the Lakers will make a serious run, but it injuries don't
decimate the the team like in the past than who knows what will happen?
	Does anyone know how the Lakers roster looks, because the last I 
heard it was after the draft. Also, what sort of deal did Magic announce?
The last rumours that I heard  related him playing now and then, missing
harsh road trips and back to back games, what was agreed?

	Chris.
From: s915071@otto (Kevin HARKNESS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: johnson
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:24:08 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

did magic johnson really catch AIDS from michael's dirty butt!
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 13:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004731.19148@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>Everybody keeps saying "Even with Magic back, the Lakers won't go anywhere."
>
>We've heard it all before.  Since 1986 we've been hearing it.
>
>The Lakers won't win the Pacific Division.  Big deal.  But when it comes
>playoff time, they will be very serious contenders.  If Magic and
>most of the rest of the team remains healthy, more likely than not,
>you can look for them in the Finals.

I would have to say that I would be more than a little amazed to see the 
Lakers back in the finals, especially considering the Suns, Blazers, and Jazz.
The Lakers will, without a doubt, be a much improved team over last year's,
but there are a number of possible problems with the Lakers, that should be
given consideration.

1) Worthy and Scott are getting a little long in the tooth and are thusly
   becoming much less effective than in years past.

2) The Lakers seem to be lacking in shooting and depth.

>The may not be able to get past the Bulls, but you can bet the farm
>they'll get past Portland.  Magic and the Lakers have always had their
>number.  

Magic and the Lakers may have always had Portland's number, but that was
back when they had a better team.  I'm not convinced they have a better team
any more.

>The new Suns may be a wildcard, but there's no history of winning
>there, either.  

To gloss over the Suns because *there's no history of winning there* is
a bit silly considering the off-season acquisition of Charles Barkley.  
The Lakers won't be walking all over the Suns this year, you can bet on
that.

>People simply don't realize how potentially strong this team is.

"Potentially strong", interesting use of words when one considers how
you expect them bak in the finals...

>With Magic back to kick his ass and get him the ball, Vlade goes from
>being an inconsistent and mediocre center to being one of the top-flight
>centers in the league (see Conference Finals and Finals, 1991) -- and
>certainly one of the best centers on a serious championship contender.

Divac is overrated.  He's a decent center, and never was, nor is, one
of the top-flight centers in the league.  The only time he really looks
good is when Worthy/Perkins are playing well (thusly making the job on
the inside much easier).  Magic will certainly make him better, but
top-flight?  Don't make me laugh.

>Sedale Threatt provides the one major thing the 1991 team was missing:
>a very solid backup for Magic.

Agreed.

>The key is whether Worthy can come back to his pre-injury form, and
>if everybody can remain reasonably healthy.

Pretty big 'ifs'.

>If so, watch out come June.

I can see the Lakers making the Conference Finals, but seriously doubt
they will be in THE Finals.  Phoenix will provide some interesting mis-
matches with the Lakers (in the form of K.J. and Barkley) as will Utah.

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: John Starks Forgot About
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:57:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Superb

In article <Bv5LEq.6w2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> 
> 	Actually, Barros led the leage at 44%, which is a decent percentage,
> 	but hardly superb.  

Let's see...if Dana hits 44 of 100 3-ptrs, he scores 132 points for his
team. He'd have to hit 66 of 100 2-ptrs -- or shoot 66% -- to score the
same amount from that range. Now, even given that he misses out on some
FTs from 3-pt land, I'd still say that his production from there is very
respectable, and even superb.

Paul

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From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:52:56 GMT


How do you print the schedule for 1 team?  Last year's version did it, but
this one doesn't appear to have that feature.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
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From: urbano@ll.mit.edu (John Urbano)
Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
Keywords: NBA schedule NBC TNT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:46:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.181931.25208@javelin.sim.es.com> holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.203030.18277@sarah.albany.edu>, pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL
>L) writes:
>|>Leonard,
>|>  This program sounds good, but how do I use it?
>|>You'll have to forgive me, I am computer illiterate.
>|>                           -Paul
>|>
>I saved the program and compiled it on my machine;
>when I ran it, a message is displayed which states
>"The NBA regular season runs from 11/6 to 4/25."
>Apparently this is all the program will do until the
>first week in November.
>When you compile on a UNIX machine, you get
>a filename.out.  To run, simply type that name,
>and the program should take it from there.  But
>as I stated above, apparently all the program does
>for now is displays a message.

 This program is actually very nicely put together.  If you
 run it without any command line arguments, it prints out
 the schedule for the current day.  It also allows you to
 type in a day in the form mm/dd, and it will print out the schedule
 for that day.  You can get an entire 7 day schedule by typing a -s
 before the day.

 If you look at the comments at the beginning of the code, it explains
 all the different options.

 My hat is off to Len for the fine job he did on this program.  It even
 has in-line comments.  Unbelievable!!  

                                   John Urbano
 


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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Roumor
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:55:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.184235.1767@intelhf.hf.intel.com> gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
>
>Sacramento sports radio was carrying the story that the
>Kings are working on a deal to send Wayman Tisdale and 
>next year's first round pick to Detroit for Dennis
>Rodman. Detriot would probably get a lottery pick in
>next year's "weak" draft.  They would also get the
>Kings only low post scoring capability.  The Kings would
>an extra 20 boards a game.  Overall I have to think
>this story is bogus.  How can you give up Rodman?

No, it's how can you possibly give up a lottery pick for Rodman (and
even throw in a rather good player).  What does Detroit care?  They've
pretty much evolved into a rebuilding type organization and what better
way to start that process than a lottery pick.  And, just because
Rodman picks up 20 rbs/game with the Pistons does not mean he gets
that many with another team.  Detriot would junmp all over this.

(I know, I mentioned that P word again.  I'm just hoping Ed Lor's on
 vacation or his Internet feed is down or something)
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: My reply to a "different" opinion
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:36:06 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <48276@shamash.cdc.com>, jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt) writes:
> I would also like to thank Jazzy and Micheal for their rebuttal of
> some of the hottest air remarks this side of the jetstream.
> 
> To say one of the greatest basketball players of all time does not
> deserve nor fit into the NBA is simply ludicrous.

I agree.  I think that, above all, the important thing to remember is
that this is Magic's life, and we are not appointed to live it for him.
The person who says "Don't you think he should retire" don't realize
how offensive that sentence would sound if we talked about HIM that way.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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