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From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Subject: Re: Satan Information.
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:19:10 GMT

In article <73163@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>  Let me be truthful now and state that many of you are concerned with me 
>sending E-mail to Satan . Let me now confess that I realize that this person 
>who says he is Satan is not really Satan.

The truth comes out.  At least you came out in the open and made your
confession.  May God be merciful.

>John Winston.



-- 
John Emery			I am an alien!  
emery@tc.fluke.COM      
				1 Peter 2:11, John 16:17
From: nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Earth Changes Books
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:30:11 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

> For some interesting reading, I've enjoyed:
> "Polar Shift"		by Tom Valentine?
> "5/5/2000" 		by "Richard Noone"
> "The Ultimate Frontier" by "Eklal Kueshana" (pen-name for Richard Kieninger)
> "Holographic Universe"	by Michael Talbot
> "Beyond the Quantum"    by Michael Talbot
> "The Tao of Physics"	by ??don't recall
> "Life After Life"	by ??don't recall

_A Message From Mary_, by Annie Kirkwood  (yes, J.C.'s mom)
_Black Dawn, Bright Day_, by Sun Bear (Chippewa tribe)
_A New Beginning I_, Esther and Jerry Hicks, PO Box 1706, Boerne, TX, 78006

-- 
 Andy Harrington                      | nin15b63@merrimack.edu
 Computer Geek                        | aharrington@ldbvax.lotus.com
 Merrimack College, North Andover, MA | I'm too sexy for this network.
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From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Re: Ancient Atomic Blasts. Part 2.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:19:54 GMT

It was those agressors from Atlantis that did it.

Conan the Librarian

-- 
"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 13:14:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Now to answer a question. It was asked how we compare in
IQ to the space people. If you consider a human to be very smart with
an IQ of 150 then the Greys from Z. R. have a 300 IQ. People from 
Venus are 5,000 years ahead of us an in the 4th dimension, because we
destroyed our civilization about 5,000 years ago. Some people from
Saturn and Jupiter would seem god like to us. Jupiter is where Adam
came from of the the Adamic race. So how about them apples?
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Pit Bulls.
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:06:37 GMT

Yes John....at least I understand even if I have spoken
against you.....you must realize that if you choose to wake
people up...when they finally do wake up and face that
conflict in what IS real and what they PERCEIVE to be
real..they will first get angry at the person who woke them
up.

This is something that you and Don and others who do the same
thing must face and accept.....you wont make any friends in
teh short run...but if we survive the long run (hmm sounds
like a title to a good song there ! ;^}) both of you will have
hundreds of friends!

Len

BTW: Thanx for not posting more Weekly World Elephant Tampon
material!
--
*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: taoism
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:17:43 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <19543@mindlink.bc.ca>, a111@mindlink.bc.ca (Anthony J. Lynn) writes:
> Does anyone know of any groups or mailing lists that deal with Taoism?
> 

The most obvious group for this is soc.religion.eastern
If you bring it up, I'm sure you can get a discussion going.

		-Lorenzo
-- 
Happiness is just a                     ******************************
remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                                        *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
                                        ******************************
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Native Sighting.
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 01:56:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


Subject: Parable of the 
Native. 
  I will now tell you a story of some natives that is not an actual story that 
acually happened but maybe you will see the point of the story.
  It seems that there were some native people down in the South American 
jungles and one of their number saw a strange thing and csme back to his 
village and attempted to tell his people about what he had seen.  He said 
with great vigor that he had seen a large bird flying though the air at a 
great speed with fire coming from it's tail. He also saw other people geting 
out of a object that had large knives going around on top of the object. The 
people who came out of the object were different colors such as white,  
black and yellow. 
   After listening to the person tell his story the elders of the tribe picked 
out one of their wise men to come and talk to the person who had told his 
story and here is how the conversation went: Young man you say that you saw 
a bird that went through the air at a great speed. Don't you realize that if 
it had gone at that speed it would have blown all of it's feathers off?  
Doesn't it seem logical that nothing can go any faster than the great duck 
eating hawk?  Don't you realize that nothing could fly very far with fire 
coming out of it's tail. It would burn up.  Nothing would fly with knives  
going around on top of the thing that they were riding in. You have a good 
place in our community and are you going to just throw that away? Are you 
not the Head Head Knocker around here?  Don't you get to eat the heart of 
our first enemy that we kill when we have our wars against the other tribes? 
 You don't want to give all this up do you? 
  You say that these people were white, black and yellow. Do 
you see any of these colors in the people that are around you now? It is all 
impossible.  If you continue to tell your story you will be thrown out of 
the tribe or have you head knocked.
   This is me, JW speaking now. So you people of today probubly know what the 
native had seen. He saw a jet 
airliner and a helicopter with white, black and yellow people from the rest of 
our world coming out of it. What would happen today if one of us saw people 
in a craft so adbvanced that they were as far advanced ahead of us as we are 
advanced to the natives in South America?
John Winston.
hat these people were white, black and yellow. Do 
you see any of these colors in the people that are around you 	w
	
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0Roman 10cpilack and yellow people from the rest of our world coming out 
of it. What would happen today if one of us saw 
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dorn's Undergroud Cavern.
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:48:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson


Heeey!  Is this any relation to Mike Dorn, of Infocom and therefore
"Zork" fame?  Have we discovered the Great Underground Empire at last?
How excessive can you get, Dimwit Flathead????  Break out the zorkmids,
the brass lanterns and the elvish swords of great antiquity!

--
****************************************************************************
"Generally, things have gone about as far as they can possibly go when
 things have got about as bad as they can reasonably get."--Tom Stoppard
   Jason D. Corley  (aka corleyj@gas.uug.arizona.edu) Physics, Lunacy, etc.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Rama.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:39:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Rama.
  In the past I have mentioned that Shirley MacLain's friend who showed her 
around in South America was called David and he had a space person friend 
who called herself Rama. Here is some more of the conversations with Rama;...
  David: What is your world that you come from called?
  Rama: The Kingdom of the Mount; it's where I've lived for more than 304 of 
your terrestrial years. In this solar system, it's called Ganymede, one of 
the  moons of Jupiter. It's about the size of your moon. Our terrain is very 
 much like the one we're on right now; the atmosphere is about the same - 
very thin oxygen, with high, steep mountains covered with ice, as is the 
case here. The topography is also very similar..
 "Incredible. I know about the mooms of Jupiter but it seems unlikely that 
life exists on one of them."
 We have extremely cold weather compared to your temperatures, but for us, 
these temperatures are comfortable. 
  What about your  way of life - do you get married? Do you hAve movie 
theaters? Is it a paradise?
 We live in the valleys, surrounded by the icy peaked mountains, in small 
complexes, what you would call villages. Similar to the ones you see arond 
here. Ganymede is very volcanic. Volcanoes are our source of energy, and we 
use that powerful enery for our technology. The same way you usaully find 
large cities like New York, Paris, London, and Rome clustered near large 
bodies of water, our villages and industrial centers are near volcanoes. 
They are our source of life. 
  We hav no oceans or large rivers on our planet. We get our water from the 
melting ice mixed with the volcanic heat; it's very similar to the medicinal 
waters you find right here.
 Is the volcanic energy used for heat as well? Yes, the volcanoes contain a 
great deal of thermal energy, which we use to maintain healthy temperatures.
  Since we have not rivers or oceans, and extreme temperatures, we have no 
animals on our palnet, only meneral, vegetable and human forms of life. In 
our world we've adapted to this, we don;t need animals for food.
Besides, eating and absorbing the ananas and anionites of animals puts 
mico-organisms into our systems, creating toxins in the body. Tht where you 
earth inhabvitants gety you common cold and other illnesses.
Source of Information: Date Wtth The Gods by Charles A. Silva page 163.
End Part 1.
John Winston.
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Alien Past.
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 72944@cup.portal.com, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com () writes:
>Subject: Have You Lived On An Other Planet Before?
>  I see in the news lately that a few researchers now believe that as many as 
>90 million Americans have lived on other planets in previous lives and many 
>of the rest of the world have also done the same thing.
>  Researcher working independently of each other hve come to the same 
>mind-boggling conclusion that a great number of Americans are transplanted 
>space aliens.  

Dear John_-_Winston:
Well, I for one, am one -- my original identity is "Rathma" of Atlantis and
I am a 35,000 year old Atlantean warrior and by the way, Atlantis was
never really on earth, it was a planet and Noah's "ship" was a spaceship that
left Atlantis after a massive global warming, and I get really tired when
J.Z.Knight conjures my spirit up because it is a real psychic energy drain on
me and makes it hard to function, however, Atlantis (the city, on the planet)
is the source of all humanity and legends from the Aztec Teotihuacan to
the Hindu's Mt. Meru to Dante's Inferno which are all archetypes that were
inherited through the DNA of the human progenitors and live in fables and
legends of all human cultures from American Indians to real Indians which is
why, John, I am so glad you posted this important piece from the Weekly World
News because now I am able to return to my Roots and become whole again.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 14:00:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I believe you will find that the European Astral Train
never got out of the planning stage. Maybe Paul M. will let us know.
Victoria you are a good person. Don't give up on my. There may be 
hope for me yet. 
John Winston.
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From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (My grandad sent 35% of his money to the IRS and all I got was this lousy nuclear arsenal.)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:08:21 EST

In article <Bzs3EA.Lt9@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
> A couple of christian friends of mine were discussing 'newage' music
> ( and its 'evils'). recently.  The groups 'Clannad' and 'Enya' were both 
> mentioned specifically, and I've seen both mentioned in r.m.n recently.  
> On asking them what they meant I found their answers confusing to say the least.
> 
> Could anyone here give me an idea as to what constitutes 'newage' music,
> assuming that you recognise the existence of such.
> 
> thanks, 
> tommy


whatever constitutes "newage" music, does Clannad apply?
last i heard they were singing traditional irish music in gaelic.

as for the evils of the music, if a person's belief is so
bankrupt of spiritual substance that it has to use baseless fears as 
an emotional motivator, it doesn't seem especially attractive or healthy.

   ando.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Bolivia Information repost.
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 11:04:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I will now attempt to repost the Bolivian information with
corrections and additions. My communication system has been down for
a few days.
John Winston
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Abraham on the earth changes (Long)
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:31:56 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <C0Ft81.E6G@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>
>
>The entity that a person channels reflects the character of the
>channeler.  
>
>What kind of person is Esther Hicks?  Is she a person of
>good character?  Is she kind?  Are her values to be repsected?  Does she
>have a family?  What can you tell us about her that will help us know
>whether she and "Abraham" are to be repsected and trusted?
>
>
>
>-- 
>Len Moskowitz
>moskowit@panix.com

I have heard the interesting suggestion that, if  the channelled entity is
in fact a human being, in general it is one who had serious problems with
his last earth life.  For this reason the person hovers near the earth,
unable to go on through the spheres for the ultimate preparation for a new
life.  Thus the advice one receives from a channelled entity should be
suspect to the highest degree.  The great and good souls have already left
the sphere from which it is still possible to communicate in such direct
manner with the living.

This is really the same thing as seances and mediums in the 19th century,
just with a little more sophisticated new age environment.  Neither the
source, nor the conveyer, nor the content of the message is ever really
scrutinized.  Somehow the fact that it happens at all is sufficient to
authenticate all three.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: slsdh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: California's earthquake
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:19:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Did anyone see sightings last night? Apparently there is a prophecy about a
monumental earthquake (they said f/ Nostradamus) occuring in California on May
5 of this year at 705 pm. Does anyone know more about this? Was the prophecy
taken out of context?

-Austin
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From: fretts@willee.enet.dec.com (Carole Fretts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Abraham on the earth changes (Long)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:49:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan10.030931.27737@netcom.com>, jethro@netcom.com (Jeffery Tye) writes...
>In article <C0Ft81.E6G@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>>
>>
>>What kind of person is Esther Hicks?  Is she a person of
>>good character?  Is she kind?  Are her values to be repsected?  Does she
>>have a family?  What can you tell us about her that will help us know
>>whether she and "Abraham" are to be repsected and trusted?
> 
>I have met Esther Hicks and have seen her channel Abraham. I have the
>highest respect for her and her intentions. As for "Abraham," they are
>among the highest and clearest teachers I have met. They also have an
>easy style and a great sense of humor. The processes they offer are
>very powerful and effective.
> 
>Get the book and check it out!
> 
>Namaste,
>Jeffery
> 

 Where is Esther Hicks located?  What is the name of the book you are
 referring to?

 Thanks,
 Carole
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Zen And Dannyism
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:58:51 GMT

In article <93008.094835E03SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <E03SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|>                    WHAT DO YOU THINK?
|> 
|>    "Every Everyday fact
|>           of Science or Common Sense
|>     is a Window
|>           into the Unknown Source
|>     of All Things."
|>                                              Cyberpunk Pouggie
|>                                              January 8th, 1993
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> E03SI@cunyvm.cuny.edu
|> Keeper ot the Danny Pouget On-going
|> Biography archival effort.

When I replace the terms that are undefined with variables, I get
the sentence:

   "Every X is a Y."  (which might be simplified further to 'X == Y', or even
                       to'X')

IMHO: trivial, pointless, and a waste of bandwidth.

Why don't you try to say something with some content.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
From: sgil@netcom.com (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: Re: I give up! (was Re: Ancient Atomic Blasts. Part 2.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:24:59 GMT

Tom Gorski (gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu) wrote:

: In article <73367@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
: >Subject: Ancient Nuclear Blasts. Part 2. 

: >  Here is some more information about evidence of very hot blasts  of energy 
: >in the past.
: ...
: 
: Speaking of hot blasts (of air, that is, as in that electronic windbag,
: John_-_Winston), I've finally had enough.
: 
: Can somebody email me directions as to how to put all posts from
: J_-_W into my Kill File?  I'm running rn on Ultrix 4.2 or 4.3, for
: what that's worth.

Can't help you there, but... how about we conduct a letter writing
campaign to 'cs@cup.portal.com', Portals' Customer Service E-Mail
address, complaining that one of their customers is posting off-topic
articles that are a complete waste of bandwidth to the world at large?
Such tactics have recently been successful in other groups for reining
in similar nuisance posters.  Even a cursory glance through the back-
articles in this group would easily support such a contention.
--
Steve Gilbert					(sgil@netcom.com)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Where's Kibo?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:16:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: According to my calculations the Great Kibo should be 
returning soon. I hope he posts his paper that says everbody who 
sponsors him.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: erl@cypress36.cray.com (Eric Lund)
Subject: House Scale Waste Treatment
Originator: erl@cypress36
Keywords: septic, sewer, water
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:07:21 CST


I don't generally read this news group so if you have any information
on the following please e-mail your response (if this starts a
discussion on this newsgroup let me know, I would like to follow it).

A friend of mine has a serious problem with caused by an outdated
septic system that exists on a lot far too small to provide an
alternative site for a newer system.  He has been told that he cannot
possibly build a new system that would meet code, and the current
system (along with the systems for every other house on his street) is
contaminating a nearby river.   Faced with the prospect of putting in
a better, but still non-conforming system or leaving the system he has
in place, with its attendant environmental damage, he is trying to find
a solution that will not bankrupt him, force him from his home, or continue
polluting the river.

I am aware of composting toilet systems, that would provide a partial
solutution, but they fall short of solving the problem in two areas (as
far as I know):

	- They are not especially good at handling the amount of liquid
	  waste generated by a household, and

	- The ones I have seen would require major remodeling to install
	  in an existing home.

In addition, my father mentioned that he worked on a project many years
ago to develop aerobic digesters that were suited for treating sewage at
the scale of an industrial plant.  Unfortunately, my friend does not have
the space or the financial resources available to those who run industrial
plants.

Has anyone out there heard of a system that might be able to solve this
problem?



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