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From: KRUSE_NEIL@tandem.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Internships in SF Bay Area?
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:47:00 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 864, Message 6 of 15

My brother is a graduate student in Telecommunications Management at
Golden Gate University.  He was wondering if any telecommunications
companies in the San Francisco bay area offered any sort of
internships or college co-op programs, or entry level positions.  Any
lead would be greatly appreciated.


Neil Kruse   kruse_neil@tandem.com
From: clifto@indep1.uucp (Cliff Sharp)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Music On Call?
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:15:44 GMT
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In article <telecom12.848.8@eecs.nwu.edu! clifto@indep1.chi.il.us
(Cliff Sharp) writes:

> In article <telecom12.832.9@eecs.nwu.edu! rfranken@cs.umr.edu writes:

>>> I came home recently to find a strange message on my answering
>>> machine: Several minutes of music.  There was no voiceover anywhere in

> "Hello?  Hello?"  and end-of-message.  Someone told me that several
> companies are using a gadget that basically calls you and says a
> canned message like "Hello, this is the X corporation.  We'd like to
> discuss something with you; please stay on the line and a
> representative will be with you shortly.", then music, then somebody
> appears on the line expecting a human.  Their initial message seems to
> be shorter than my outgoing one, so I never hear that part.

> [Moderator's Note: The use of those dialers to pre-connect calls
> before anyone is ready to talk to you is the height of rudeness. I
> always disconnect instantly when one of those things calls me. I'll
> gladly hold for a few seconds *if* you are already talking to me and
> have a incoming call-waiting. I won't wait when you had no intention
> of being available immediatly when you dialed.   PAT]

   I agree wholeheartedly!  I got two in a row one day when I was
screening calls.  The first was the canned music followed by the usual
"Hello?"  The second was the canned music followed by silence, then
the remark "Cute."  and a disconnect.  Apparently he believes to this
day that someone figured out a way to detect and deter his machine
calls.

To this day I don't know who did it, but since I've moved to another
town I don't get those calls any more.  (Maybe a collection agent? 1/2 :) 
Can't afford Caller ID and the associated hardware right now, and
since the offending calls have stopped I can't say more.  But had
Caller ID been available at the time I would not have winced at
pinching pennies and eating beanie-weenie stew for a few weeks just
for the pleasure of finding out.  (Then again, they've probably found
a way to automatically block that; we in Illinois Bell territory have
per-call blocking.)

   Question to the knowledgable: Incoming 800 service has ANI which can't
be blocked.  Does outgoing 800 service give a caller ID, and/or ANI?


Cliff Sharp   clifto@indep1.chi.il.us   OR  clifto@indep1.uucp   WA9PDM 


[Moderator's Note: Usually outgoing WATS calls are inter-LATA, so they
produce a response of 'outside' on a Caller ID display unit.  These
lines can produce various responses, depending on how they are wired,
but rarely will they cause a Caller-ID box or ANI to give the right
answer. It would not that often be ANI, since outgoing WATS lines
can't call into 800/900 type service that I know of.   PAT]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:56 EST
From: SKASS@drew.drew.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: "rrrringg-BOOP"
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When I am using my IBX work phone and someone calls, I hear a tone,
and the caller hears "rrrringg-BOOP rrrringg-BOOP ..." I know that at
least some callers from outside our switch hear the BOOP, but I'm
wondering how far it extends.  I had always thought that the ring
signal was generated locally, and if that's true, then my switch must
be passing some signal for "phone in use, but call waiting ringing,"
to which the caller's switch generates the "rrrringg-BOOP."  I think
it would be a nice thing to have nationwide so I knew the difference
between a ring/phone-on-hook and a ring/interrupting-a-call.

Can someone in the know fill me in on the technical details of
"rrrringg-BOOP" ?  We own our own switch here, but I don't know what
kind it is.


Steve Kass/ Dept of Math and CS/ Drew U/ Madison NJ 07940
skass@drew.drew.edu                          201-514-1187


[Moderator's Note: Actually, if you listen closely, when the called
party answers you will hear a certain kind of click on the line if you
interuppted them on call waiting which you won't hear if you did not.
A few PBXs using Direct Inward Dialing have the special ring signal
you describe when cal-waiting interupts an extension user.   PAT]
From: yazz@oolong.la.locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: "rrrringg-BOOP"
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:07:13 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 866, Message 4 of 12

> [Moderator's Note: Actually, if you listen closely, when the called
> party answers you will hear a certain kind of click on the line if you
> interuppted them on call waiting which you won't hear if you did not.

If you phone someone on a DMS switch that has certain older software
revisions installed, there is a subtle difference in how you hear
ringback tone if you've come in as a call-waiting beep.  The first
ring that you hear is short; that is, you come into the ring cycle at
a slightly different spot.

I regret that this feature was removed in later software revisions;
what with Caller ID and all, I can't imagine how this would constitute
an invasion of privacy.  Does anyone know what Northern Telecom's
rationale was for this change, or why a BOC like Pac Bell would
request it?

The same short-first-ring occurs with error recordings generated by
the local switch, which I think is a 5ESS (619/587).  If you listen
carefully, these error ringback tones also waver in pitch slightly,
like a slightly off-center record.


Bob Yazz
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:41:37 GMT
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Advice Needed on Telephone Security Systems
Organization: Gordon Burditt
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 861, Message 9 of 9

Has anyone considered a telephone line alarm?  This thing would go
between your house wiring and the phone company's demarcation point.
It sounds an alarm (although you probably wouldn't want this to
directly call the police) when:

(1) The line is disconnected (loss of battery).  Might misfire during CO
    cutovers -- or maybe you wanted to detect them.

(2) The line is shorted.  Might also detect a flooded CO.

(3) If the line goes off-hook from OUTSIDE your house, but not inside.  
    This may signal a lineman or phone service thief connecting a butt 
    set into your line to make free phone calls, or a neighbor who found 
    this extra live pair run into his house, or an incompetent cop
    or private detective installing a wiretap.

Naturally, the alarm has to tolerate incoming and outgoing calls
without false alarms.

An optional function when the alarm detected (3) would be to jam the
line by going off hook and sending a test tone to jam dialing.  (What
would happen if you jammed pulse dialing by sending a sequence of 15
pulses, timed just like dialing "0" but more of them?  Would
technicians at the central office get mad?) This you would need to
turn off if you reported trouble and expected tests and/or repairs
done on your line.


Gordon L. Burditt    sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:22:47 GMT
From: atekant@wimsey.bc.ca (Argun Tekant)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: ATT Boing: What is it?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 865, Message 8 of 10

This is probably a FAQ (Do we have a FAQ?), but can anyone tell me the
frequency or function or whatever for the AT&T Boing?


Thanks.

Argun Tekant


[Moderator's Note: The telecom FAQ is in the Telecom Archives and is
available via anonymous ftp lcs.mit.edu. (frequent.asked.questions)  PAT]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:03:58 EST
From: dwn@dwn.ccd.bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: If it's Wednesday, it's NYTel Ad Day
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 862, Message 5 of 8

It seems that every Wednesday, NYTel takes out ads concerning upcoming
services for various products.  This week's entries are:

 1. Directory Assistance Call Completion (the telco does the dialing
    for $0.35 US per call;

 2. Clarification of Text for Restoral Charges;
 
 3. Tariff Filing for the Introducion of Digital Automatic Call
    Distribution (ACD) Prime Service;

 4. Tariff Filing for Blocking Service (more options) (970, 976,
    etc. numbers).

Nothing earth shaking but interesting to read and to keep informed.


Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:23:33 PST
From: Charlie Rosenberg <crosenberg@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Cross-Over Switch With RJ14C
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 852, Message 11 of 14

I am looking for a cross-over switch with modular phone connections.
I currently have a tee attatched to both jacks of a two line phone and
from those tees, one line goes to a fax and the other to a modem.

I often need to swap those lines to make a long distance call on one
device or the other.  I am open to other scenarios to achive the swap,
anything that avoids the unplugging of phone cords all the time.
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:35:37 GMT
From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Junk FAX
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 857, Message 10 of 11

[Moderator's Note: The original message for this did not appear in the
telecom newsgroup.  PAT]

In article <1992Nov9.133800.24913@analsyn.gts.org> anton@analsyn.
gts.org (Anton J Aylward) writes:

> If some promotion company uses an autodialer and tape message to
> keep calling me, soliciting for support for tax reform, to think of
> just one subject I have been harassed by, I can call Bell and
> complain, and eventually get something done.

> How about FAXes ?

> I am getting faxes sent in the early hours to my home number from:

>	Mark Muchnick
>	World Computers Ltd
>	Seattle, WA

> Not only is this information of no interest or relevance to me, but it
> comes a couple of times a week between 4am and 6am.  

If a legitimate business is sending you unwanted faxes, the best way
to get the faxes to stop is to ask the company to stop.
 
This will work quite well if the company is spending the cost of a
long-distance call to get the fax to you.

On the other hand, one Toronto-based company that operates several 976
numbers likes to send out faxes promoting those numbers. It seems to
ignore requests to remove fax machines from the junk fax list.

But in your case, a one-paragraph letter sent by fax should work quite
nicely.

The same thing applies for local travel agencies, computer dealers and
office supply dealers, who don't generally want to annoy people
unncessarily.


Nigel Allen
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 10:34 est
From: paul@migs.shecora.sai.com (Paul Migliorelli)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Dom Tuffy Tapes
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 865, Message 3 of 10

Do any of you out there remember the Dom Tuffy Tapes?  They were a
number of skits poking fun at New York Telephone security, and such.
I've been trying to find complete and good quality copies.  Can any of
you help?  Any response via email would be appreciated.  Thanks.
From: jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Dumb Question About LATA/Toll
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:57:00 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 854, Message 10 of 12

I believe that the original LATAs were drawn up by AT&T at divestiture
(submitted to Judge Greene for approval, of course.

I saw a list recently of the rules that were used.  There were only a
few & if memory serves correctly, they were:

1) Any LATA that includes part of one "Major Metropolitan Area" may
not include part of another.  [I know the term in "" ain't the right
term for what I want, but it's something like that.  The term
describes the major metropolitan areas as defined by the Gov't.]

2) No LATA may cross a state boundary without court approval.

There may have been another rule, but I can't recall it now.  I'll
check when I get to the office tomorrow (where I have the source).


JR


[Moderator's Note: Actually, John Adams did a good enough job of it;
thanks anyway.   PAT]
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 09:59:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Ptasnik <davep@cac.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Personal 800 Numbers (New C&W Pricing)
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 846, Message 7 of 13

Cable and Wireless has recently changed their 800 pricing.  A new
option allows no monthly charges and a per minute day rate of $.29.
This comes with an ANI calling number printout at the end of the
month.  Call set up time is pretty long, at least on my number.
Probably not suitable for normal business applications.

All of the above is nothing more than the personal opinion of: 


Dave Ptasnik          davep@u.washington.edu
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:25:06 CST
From: Andrew C. Green <acg@hermes.dlogics.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Cellular Advice Sought
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 844, Message 9 of 12

Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com> writes:

> Question: She can't be the only one who wants to keep her beeper along
> with her cellphone.  Does anyone make a combined beeper/cellphone?

Uh, Yes and No. This is a perfect description of the Ameritech
Personal Communication Services phone that I'm involved in long-term
testing of.  You may recall that a few months back, I posted a message
saying that I had been signed up by Ameritech here in the Chicago area
to be a tester of the product (along with several hundred other
people) when the prototypes were rolled out. I've now had the phone
for about six weeks.

It functions exactly as you described; incoming calls are routed to a
VoiceMail box which beeps you on the phone with either your own number
(if the caller left a voice message) or with another number entered by
the caller in your mailbox. You then return the call as you see fit.
Unfortunately this is only a test, with severely limited service areas
for using the phone for outgoing calls, although the incoming call
paging goes through Ameritech's standard pager system and will reach
you anywhere. They tell me that similar systems are being tested by
other Bell companies around the country, so you might want to see if
anything similar is available in San Francisco.

I'm working on a report for Telecom on my experiences with this
system.  

Disclaimer: I have no connection to Ameritech; speaking for myself only.


Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.      Internet: acg@dlogics.com
441 W. Huron          UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg
Chicago, IL  60610    FAX: (312) 266-4473
Date: 15 Nov 1992 10:46:47 GMT
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: AT&T's COLOR Videophone With Motion
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 844, Message 3 of 12

In article <telecom12.833.7@eecs.nwu.edu>, Tansin A. Darcos & Company
<0005066432@mcimail.com> writes:

> To put it into perspective, we think that SEVEN frames per second is
> terrible and we are trying to eventually get to THIRTY frames per
> second.  Thirty frames per second is the same as the number of
> animation stills they use in cartooning.  Supposedly, one cannot tell
> the difference between live video and thirty frames per second video.

In the US, broadcast video is 30 fps.  Elsewhere it's 25 fps.  Cartoon
animation is never done at 30 fps, even by Disney.  8 or 12 is
typical.  Motion pictures usually run at 24 fps.
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:24:19 GMT
From: tep@tots.Logicon.COM (Tom Perrine)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: How Do *You* Use ISDN?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 864, Message 14 of 15

After hearing about how ISDN is going to "save us all", and seeing
people in this group mention, "using my ISDN phone I ...", I have been
wondering:

Just what are the mechanics of establishing a data connection via an
ISDN phone?  I am in southern Pac Bell land, where ISDN is completely
unknown, and I have never even *seen* an ISDN desk set.

I know that you can use ISDN to connect a home machine to a LAN, but
how do you *do* it?

How would I establish a connection between two "home computers" in
parallel with a voice call to the same person?

Enquiring minds (and a victim od ISDN-envy :-) want to know!


Tom E. Perrine (tep)     | tep@Logicon.COM       |Voice: +1 619 597 7221
Logicon, Inc.            | sun!suntan!tots!tep   |  or : +1 619 455 1330
4010 Sorrento Valley Blvd|                       |  FAX: +1 619 552 0729
San Diego CA 92121-1498
Date: 17 NOV 92 10:15   
From: UXBAHA!KW@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Old British Callboxes
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 858, Message 3 of 13

Someone recently mentioned the old coinboxes in the UK that had
'buttons A and B', and said he wouldn't go on to describe them as he
was sure someone more knowledgable than himself would do so.  That
hasn't happened, so I'll start the ball rolling with my (non-expert)
memories of them.

They were black enamelled boxes with a bakelite headset connected via
a twisted cloth-covered cord.  On the top were slots for coins -- when
in common use they took (pre-decimal) pennies, threepennies and
sixpences.  On the front was a large silver push-button labelled 'A'.
On the right-hand side was another button (B) that had to be pushed
away from you (i.e it actually slid).

To use the 'phone you lifted the receiver and inserted some money (For
a long time four old pence).  These fell into the box with a
satisfying clunk.  You then dialed the call.  When the called party
answered you pressed button A, the money dropped, and you were
through.  If the call failed, or the wrong person answered, you
replaced the receiver and pushed button 'B' to get your dosh back.
Until you pressed button A the called party couldn't hear you.

I only remember them in pre-STD days, when the 4d (old pence) local
call was unmetered.  Trunk calls had to be made through the operator
who told you how much money you had to insert for a three-minute call.
When your time was up you got discreet 'pips' on the line and would
eventually get disconnected unless you deposited more money (i think
the time unit after the initial three minutes was one minute).

These disappeared in urban centres in the 1960s, but I was surprised
to read that the last such box (in a remote Scottish village) was in
use until THIS SUMMER.  Does that mean they didn't have STD?

I hope someone 'in the know' will fill me in on more details of these
devices from a gentler age!


Ken Wheatley, Unisys, Citygate, London     +44 71 525 6283
(Unisys) E-Mail 7747, A-Mail <KW@UXBAHA>     Net2 731-6283

       **All opinions are either my own or plagiarised**
From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Third Party Billing
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, Ok
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 851, Message 3 of 6

I work at a motel and I just had confrontation with a customer because
I would not allow her to charge a call to her home phone. She became
verbally abusive and I almost didn't get to explain to her that when a
call was charged to a third party unless it was verified at the time
of the call that when that party's bill came they could say that it
wasn't their call and it would be put on her bill.  (That is maybe a
run-on sentence but I'm still upset with the tone she used with me.)
At the end I said "If you don't like it get a Calling Card."

Why don't people get Calling Cards?

Why don't they understand that if they are here and nobody is home
then how can anyone tell if they are charging it to their own phone,
or their enemy, or something they pulled out of the air?

The real question is why do the phone companies continue to allow
third party billing?

I guess it is because they can always stick someone with the bill.


Internet: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org,      bo836@cleveland.freenet.edu
UUCP: ...!rwsys!ricksys!rick,   {backbones}!ricksys.lonestar.org!rick
BITNET: bo836%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm  Fidonet: Richard McCombs @ 1:385/6


[Moderator's Note: Why didn't you suggest that she use the payphone
and place the call? Why didn't you let the telco operator handle the
matter and avoid the hassle for yourself? If the number she billed it
to was the number shown as her home phone on her registration card at
your motel, and you saw some form of identification from her when she
checked in, I'd think that would be adequate protection for the motel.
In addition, Calling Cards are quite phreakable; I presume if she had
a phalse Calling Card number that could have posed a problem also.  PAT]
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992  19:27:33 EST
From: Alistair Grant <100032.525@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Help Needed With DTMF Tones
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 847, Message 2 of 17

Hello,

     The response about DTMF tones was great. Every one says I need
both tones, not the average -- ok -- but my physics book says that
when two pure frequencies are emitted then the resultant frequency and
frequency only is the average.

     Anyway with just one speaker how do I emulate two tones so as to
fool the phone? I have seen watches that dial telephone number; how do
they do it?


Ta -

Alistair GRANT