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Organization: Temple University -- Academic Computer Services
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.l-vmctr
Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:50:27 EDT
From:         Stan Horwitz <STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      VMArchive

Hello; I  am a mainframe applications  software consultant here at  Temple U.
My boss  and I have been  trying to talk  our VM systems people  into putting
VMArchive  into general  production for  the past  couple of  years and  they
always come back  to us with lame excuses  as to why they won't  do it. After
quite some  time, we  were able to  have VMArchive put  into production  in a
minimal way. If our systems folks  had their way, they would remove VMArchive
from our 3084-Q entirely.  As it is, files are moved  between the staging are
and tape only twice a day; at 8:00  and 13:00. We want to increase this to at
least  once  an hour.  We  also  want to  allow  users  to archive  files  on
temporary disk  which is  currently not  possible here.  I am  wondering what
your  experiences with  VMArchive are.  How many  people on  your system  use
VMArchive  and how  did you  set it  up?  If this  is a  FAQ, please  respond
personally. It would also  be nice to chat with folks at  other VM sites that
use VMArchive in  the event our systems folks have  further arguments against
this idea. It would probably make more  sense for one of our systems analysts
to send a posting  on this matter to L-VMCTR, but I guess  they don't do such
things since it is not in their contract.

Thanks in advance.

 Stan Horwitz   Internet: STAN @ VM.TEMPLE.EDU  Bitnet: STAN @ TEMPLEVM

 Temple University's Sr. Mainframe Consultant; Manager of the Help-Net
 and Suggest lists; Listserv Postmaster; and in need of a vacation!

 Standard disclaimers apply. One of these days I will make this sig file
 look much nicer.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:41:46 EDT
From:         Mike Ramundo <SYSMRR@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      setup of vmarchive

We use VMCENTER + VMOPERATOR

three (online) staging areas but no 'online' archiving, 7 day retention

recalls processed every 30 minutes 0830 - 2230

archives ( from stage and delay ) processed 3 times a day
( max retention period = 720 days - users must update expiry date at
  least once every two years to retain files - prevents indefinite
  retention-by-default of unneeded files )

we use the vmsecure rules facility - vmarchive public modules and help
files are on a disk not accessable to ACIGROUP STUDENTS
  ie  rule =   REJECT STUDENT LINK 3FF ( GROUP

( groups FACULTY, STAFF, SYSPROG etc may access disk )

I have a 50 DSS limit per volume - periodically I scan tapes on MVS
to determine 'feet actually used' and use that information to set up
merge/purge runs such that M/P output will fit on one volume.
( to CYA, I have fortran program that massages database before and after
  M/P - expired and or purged files have bits cleared, special dates
  inserted to indicate original status, and ownership xferred to
  id = PURGEyy ( done once a year ) - status is restored after M/P -
  this way I have one extra year after announced ' anything marked
  expired/purged on ---- will be UNRECOVERABLY deleted"  If user
  has enough clout, I can reload from user PURGEyy to orig id while
  explaining that tape had not yet been overwritten and I was able to
  recover data this time ( but, BOY were you lucky !! ) )

*---------------------------------------------------------------------*
                                                                     
  Michael R. Ramundo                        Fax (518) 442-3697       
  Systems Programmer / Analyst            Audio (518) 442-3709       
  Computing Services Center, CS-9C               Network             
  State University of N.Y. at Albany        SYSMRR @ ALBNYVM1        
  Albany,  New York    12222            SYSMRR @ uacsc2.albany.edu   
                                          aka postmast(er)           
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:54:40 CST
From:         "Bob Bates" <BATES@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VMArchive
              19 Aug 1992 09:50:27 EDT from <STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>

Here at SMU and also when I set it up at UTD VMARCHIVE was run once a day
to go disk to tape. Recalls are immediate. Neither place had a real heavy
use of ARCHIVE. Files were kept on the staging area for three days.

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Bob Bates                            Patient:  Thanks you, Father, but
VM Sys Pro                                    I'm an atheist.
Southern Methodist University        Mulcahey: Really?
                                     Patient:  Honest to God.
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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:06:48 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
Subject:      Re: mail delivery error
Newsgroups:   bit.listserv.xmailer


On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:20:31 EDT, "David J. Buechner" <CC100DB@GITVM1.BITNET>
said:
>
>I really don't quite understand what is causing the following problem.
>
>It appears that MAILER is correctly determining that a local user doesn't
>exist and generating error mail about it.  Then it's having trouble delivering
>the error mail!  Am I missing something here?
>
>
>David Buechner
>Manager, IBM Systems Support
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, USA
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
<...>
>354 Start mail input.  End with <crlf>.<crlf>
>554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients:
>554-Syntax error in field-  To

Yeah!!  I've been annoyed by this too!  Why does the VM Network Mailer
reject source routing in the RFC822 To: field if it isn't enclosed in
angle brackets and preceded by a quoted character string?

>554 No such local user: JC88

Hmmm.  Can't explain where that's coming from.

Bill
>050 QUIT
>221 GTRI01.BITNET Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done.
>
>Original message follows:
>
>Received: from GTRI01.BITNET by GTRI01.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id
> 3575; Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:01:44 EDT
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:01:22 EDT
>From: Network Mailer <MAILER@GTRI01.BITNET>
>To: @GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu
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Resent-Subject: Errors in mail error delivery?
X-Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:02:22 EDT
X-Resent-From: Network Mailer <MAILER@GTRI01>
X-Resent-To: CC100DB@GITVM1
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:20:31 EDT
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Comments:     Originally-From: Network Mailer <MAILER@GTRI01.BITNET>
From:         "David J. Buechner" <CC100DB@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      mail delivery error

I really don't quite understand what is causing the following problem.

It appears that MAILER is correctly determining that a local user doesn't
exist and generating error mail about it.  Then it's having trouble delivering
the error mail!  Am I missing something here?


David Buechner
Manager, IBM Systems Support
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, USA

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Batch SMTP transaction log follows:

220 GTRI01.BITNET Columbia MAILER R2.08 BSMTP service ready.
050 HELO GTRI01.BITNET
250 GTRI01.BITNET Hello GTRI01.BITNET
050 MAIL FROM:<MAILER@GTRI01.BITNET>
250 <MAILER@GTRI01.BITNET>... sender OK.
050 RCPT TO:<@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu>
250 <@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu>... recipient OK.
050 DATA
354 Start mail input.  End with <crlf>.<crlf>
554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients:
554-Syntax error in field-  To
554 No such local user: JC88
050 QUIT
221 GTRI01.BITNET Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done.

Original message follows:

Received: from GTRI01.BITNET by GTRI01.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id
 3575; Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:01:44 EDT
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:01:22 EDT
From: Network Mailer <MAILER@GTRI01.BITNET>
To: @GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu
Subject: mail delivery error

Batch SMTP transaction log follows:

220 GTRI01.BITNET Columbia MAILER R2.08 BSMTP service ready.
050 HELO GTRI01
250 GTRI01.BITNET Hello GTRI01
050 MAIL FROM:<@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu>
250 <@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu>... sender OK.
050 RCPT TO:<DDDDDDDDD@GTRI01>
250 <DDDDDDDDD@GTRI01>... recipient OK.
050 DATA
354 Start mail input.  End with <crlf>.<crlf>
554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients:
554 'DDDDDDDD...' is too long to be a VM userid.
050 QUIT
221 GTRI01.BITNET Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done.

Original message follows:

Received: from GTRI01 by GTRI01.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3534; Wed,
 12 Aug 92 11:01:22 EDT
Received: from hydra.gatech.edu by GTRI01.GATECH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1)
   with TCP; Thu, 06 Aug 92 06:30:09 EDT
Received: by hydra.gatech.edu (5.61/3.1)
	id AA29308; Thu, 6 Aug 92 06:30:25 -0400
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 92 06:30:25 -0400
From: XXXX@prism.gatech.edu (CHAMEAU,JEAN-LOU)
Message-Id: <9208061030.AA29308@prism.gatech.edu>
To: NNN@prism.gatech.edu
Subject: Computer cluster
Cc: DDDDDDDDD@gtri01.gatech.edu


.......   text deleted ..................
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:51:49 -0400
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: mail delivery error
Comments: To: Crosswell Mailer <XMAILER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              12 Aug 92 11:20:31 -0400. <9208121528.AA20680@Princeton.EDU>

> To: @GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu

doesn't match

> 050 MAIL FROM:<@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:XXXX@prism.gatech.edu>

but should.  This problem is fixed in the 2.09 beta code being tested.

  John
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:08:00 EDT
From:         "John F. Chandler" <PEPMNT@CFAAMP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mail delivery error

> I really don't quite understand what is causing the following problem.
>
> It appears that MAILER is correctly determining that a local user doesn't
> exist and generating error mail about it.  Then it's having trouble delivering
> the error mail!  Am I missing something here?

The problem seems to be connected with the route specification
"@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU:", which seems to cause MAILER to expect a local
user.  It runs in my mind that that's a problem with a known solution,
but you seem to be running the latest MAILER, so maybe I'm wrong about
that.  In any case, you should be able to avoid the problem by making
your Internet SMTP server stop inserting the route spec.  There's a
parameter in its configuration that controls modifying mail headers.
                                  John
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:11:32 CDT
              List" <UIGIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
From:         "Tim McGrath" <tmcgrath@TMCGDNELNC.QVARSX.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Microtox Info
X-To:         uigis-l%ubvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu, ecolog-l@umdd.umd.edu

I'm forwarding a note from a colleague that may be of relevant to
anyone interested in or working on testing the toxicity of water:

 Microbics Corp makes a system for testing the toxicity of water and
 sediment. The system provides results in 30 minutes compared to 2 to 4 days
 for laboratory tests. The costs per analysis is about $40 compared to $500,
 excluding initial costs for hardware and software. It appears to be a good
 tool for reconnaisance level work or screening samples for more expensive
 toxicity tests. Microbics is offering a grant to non-profit agencies,
 whereby they will reduce the cost for the hardware and software 20 to 50
 percent, depending on the merit of the proposal. The most basic system costs
 $20,936 and includes a start-up pack for conducing 40 aquatic tests. If you
 are interested in submitting a grant proposal, call (619)438-8282 for an
 application.

Tim



		"Without Geography, where would you be?"
			-- Andy Back

Tim McGrath		U.S. Geological Survey
Geographer		Water Resources Division
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:04:54 -0700
              List" <UIGIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
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              cyberoid@MILTON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
From:         Robert Jacobson <cyberoid@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GIS User interfaces
X-To:         UIGIS-L%UBVM.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu

There are commonalities among these professions.  They are all working
in space, from mental models.  They are all working at representing or
altering the external world.  The subjects of their labor are differ-
ent, but the functions they perform upon these subjects -- location,
alteration, movement, obliteration, time-effects -- are generic across
most categories.

Why not begin defining the interface along these lines?  In fact, it
has been the historical evolution of GIS, from demographers and carto-
graphers to other professions, that has created the illusion of separa-
tion.  Separation makes not only general technological solutions but
also marketing these solutions awfully tough.

Bob Jacobson
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From: GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA (Gerald W. Schlabach)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
Subject: Re: Bramleys, cider, Calvados, and (in passing!) NB
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:15:51 GMT
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              18 Aug 92 09:01:04 EDT from <J.BERG@ACAD.SUFFOLK.EDU>

On Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:01:04 EDT <J.BERG@ACAD.SUFFOLK.EDU> said:
>That's what is so great about this list--every so often someone mentions
>a basic, elementary point--e.g., that you can tell the speller to point
>at problems, not correct them automatically--which I had forgotten
>completely!

What is so SAD about this list is that one confronts the prospect of going
through life (long live the Great Dragonfly) without ever meeting wonderful
souls who care about good apples and real orchards and beers that need no
degrading advertising, except through the fleeting electron charges of ASCII
text.  Perhaps Itamar can tell us what this really means, semiotically.

And if no one can say exactly what is apple crisp, I will joyfully post a
recipe passed down from the sturdy Mennonite foremothers of Northern Indiana.

Gerald W. Schlabach
University of Notre Dame
Schlabach.1@nd.edu
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:46:32 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Apple crisp recipe
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Rhubarb is definitely not an American development, except, perhaps, as in `to
give the rhubarb' or `(a load of) rhubarb'.

The best and sincerest application of rhubarb is to production of
rhubarb-strawberry pies.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:32:37 EDT
From:         david j reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: SLS italics
Comments: To: NOTABENE List <notabene@vm.tau.ac.il>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
              9212:17 pm

Harry Falk's reminder (that resonates with some things others have
said too) of the control that users have over NB3.1/SLS is salutary. I
have been working with the NB4/Lingua beta for the past few weeks (not
intensively, I'm afraid). It does have some terrific features. What it
gives me (with an ATI card) is access to the "Biblical" languages
(Hebrew/Greek) AS WELL as the transliteration set, something I would
have needed a HGC+ for in SLS. But ... but ... well ... strange but
true: in 3000+ characters, I still need some that I can't get!

Harry's list is not far from mine. What I really wanted from Lingua
was the transliteration (virtually any diacritic for any base
character) plus the lovely fonts (Hebrew in SLS was substandard). I
also like the command line recall (though this was not a necessity
when so much of the routine could be automated).

In line, then, with Harry's experience: can better fonts be wedded to
SLS? Is this where Lodestar comes in? Or are fonts of the
(particularly high) quality of the Lingua sets not available for this
kind of use? Or do people who use NB output with, say, Pagemaker have
something to contribute here?

And now for something completely different:
Would the Bramleys make a decent beverage of some kind? With some
mixed varieties you could get a decent white wine ... what do they use
for cider in those parts?? Could they go into chutney? How about Apple
Crisp (Apple Betty?) ....

David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture          Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
Wilfrid Laurier University                           Fax: (519) 886-9351
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3C5        Internet: dreimer4@mach1.wlu.ca
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:18:09 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      re: Em-dash and spelling check ....Yaaay Woozley!!
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
              Aug 17, 92 8:33 am

>
>
>                                                 -the copy of SE.DOC I
> received contained instructions to delete the extra line-break characters,
> put in to facilitate ascii transmission.
>   Anyway, what are Bramleys?  Some sort of Devonian creature?
>
> John Berg
> j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
>

John,

In the version I picked up today from TAU, the following para appears:

**NOTE:** Ignore the line breaks, caused by the constraints of text
transmission. The actual lines are indicated by the [first line] etc.,
tags. Don't forget to delete these tags in the actual file.

The trouble is, there seems to be one less [first line] bracketty
marker - sensible idea! - than para markers. There are 3 bracketty
markers, and 4 para markers. I expected only three. Note that Tony
just refers to line BREAKS - I assume that he would not mark the end
of a screen line, and would use para markers only at the end of paras
- like all NB users would normally; each SE line, in other words,
being technically a para. He was just warning us not to think that
because a line ended on the screen that that was actually the end of
the line (= para) as it had to be put in default.set..... I assumed
that the [first line] thingies were just to reinforce the location of
the para markers __at those points__....

Perhaps I'm being too picky. Trust a lawyer to find a problem of
construction... or rather, don't trust a laywer, unless you want a
problem!! I deleted what seemed to be the correct one to delete and it
all seems to work, so I'll shaddup.

Bramleys, my deah fellah, are to apple crumble and apple pie and
appelstrudel and ginger and apple jam and plum and apple jam and baked
apple and apple chutney what NB is to wordprocessing....  What more
can one say?

Cheers!

 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:48:57 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      A new SIMTEL20 site: in Switzerland
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

A new SIMTEL20 "mirror" has been installed in Switzerland.
If you are in Europe or in the Middle East,  you may like to
try it. At least the line to Tel Aviv is very fast.

The address is:

nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40)

user: anonymous
password: your code (address), or -code (-address)

switch to 'mirror' (not 'mirrorS', as in Wuarchive.wustl.edu),
then to any /msdos subdirectory.

For example, to switch to NOTABENE, type:

cd /mirrors/msdos/notabene

Itamar E-Z
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: NB4/Orbis Shipping
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:40:14 GMT

.
.
.
.
.
.
Pardon my wild surmise.
Did they say whether the documentation is being shipped with NB4?

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
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X-VMS-To: IN%"NOTABENE@TAUNIVM.BITNET"
Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:12:00 EST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
Subject:      Re: "Undisplayable" ascii in NB, ok in DOS
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Robert,
I also asked this of the list about 18 months ago. There is an ASCII
end of file character stopping the use beyond x bytes. Oddly, this character
shows up, and can be scrolled past (and deleted) in PC Tools.

But I can remember the "cure" in NB. Anyone else?


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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:29:22 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: SLS italics
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
              17,92 9:32 am

David,

As this is a list exclusively devoted to NB, the recipe for Apple
Crisp/Apple Betty will oblige!

Cider comes from apples. Scrumpy is its local variant - an insolent
young brew which the tough locals drink; it's also useful for powering
the motors on inter-galactic rockets and stripping the paint off great
ocean liners.
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:00:27 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      ez-btm01.zip -- update
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Ez-btm01.zip has been updated. Various bugs fixed,
and a backup batch added (bk.btm).

Itamar E-Z
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