From: jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd)
Subject: Re: NO EuroState!!
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 13:04:23 GMT

kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:


>In article <75yTXB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>> I will say again, any good Eurocrat is a dead one!!

A bit on the strong side don't you think old chap!

>> I for one believe that Sovereign states in the EC should first and foremost
>> dictate there own destiny WITHOUT being bully by big Brother EuroParliament.
>> 
>> IMHO, let the EuroParliament have powers like the UN.  European nations are
>> distinct from each other, and should exercise veto power aganst ANY
>> EuroParliament legislation.

Er, might I point out that France the Benelux and Germany are 
significantly better off than the UK and their living standards
have improved at a faster rate leaving poor old Blighty behind.

I think this mught have a lot to do with how well the country is
governed, (I am of course open to suggestions as to what other reasons there
might be). Regardless of who gets elected in UK they end up making an 
absolute dogs breakfast of the whole thing sooner or later.

The labour party are just a total bunch of losers, who make a load of 
promises they could not possibly keep, other than pandering to their trade 
union masters.

The tories under Mrs T did a lot of good things for a while (some not so 
good as well might I add) but then just lost the plot.

The continentals seem to have fared rather better.

>> The fact that common Defence is part of Euro-identity disgusts me!! Does that
>> mean that soldiers from a number of country have to get involved in a war
>> which, in the historic sense, is NOT one for there concern?
>> 
>> Imagine the UK in Chad, or ITaly in Israel.  Revolting!!

There areBrit troops in what was Yugoslavia already old boy.

>> Common currency - an infringment over nation-state sovereignty.

Bullshit. It would take a lot of power out of the hands of politicians
and into the market. A huge financial barrier to cross border trade in 
europe would be eliminated. It would also so anti-inflationary.

>> Now don't me wrong, I am a free-and-fair trader, but NEVER in favour of
>> political infringment.

Politicians are a bunch of deviants, especially in the UK.
Though not as bad as aussies. I trust them as far as I could comfortably
spit a rat. Dilution of their power is generally a good thing, provided 
it does not lead to excessive tiers of decision making.

>1. The Monarchy is an anachronysm.

True but lots of us still like the Queen and the Queen Mum.

>3. People have moved about Europe for hundreds of years now - are your ancestors
>   all "English" ?, they were probably French or Dutch a couple of hundred years
>   ago [ the royal family are Hanoverians ].

Here here!

>4. If England votes to be an island unto itself - fine! But don't include
>   Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales.

Ditto. English government has served Wales and Scotland badly.
But I'm not sure we would have done a hell of a lot better ourselves.
Like I said the continentals seem to know how to do it better.

>5. I would rather have the European Parliament in charge than the brainless
>   English Conservatives that have been in charge for the last 14 years.

I'm forced to agree. But even then they could not fix the bloody awful
weather, it really does suck.

>6. A common currency makes lots of sense in a free trade zone (the notes don't
>   have to have the same things on them everywhere).

My sentiments exactly.

>7. You are not living there, so why are you so upset ?

Yes Dave why are you so upset. Must be the Canadian winter perhaps, 
getting people nostalgic for all that drizzle.

I'm just glad I came down under, here we go after 3

Australians all let us rejoice, for we are young and free;
We've golden soil and wealth for toil; our home is girt by sea.
Our land abounds in Nature's gifts of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage advance Australia Fair.
With joyful strains then let us sing, advance Australia Fair!

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross we work with hearts and hands
To make this Commonwealth of ours renowned in all the lands.
For those who've come across the seas we've boundless wealth to share;
With courage then let us unite to advance Australia fair.
With joyful strains then let us sing, advance Australia Fair!

-Just thought you ought to know thats all...

-Jonathan.

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