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From: sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:38:55 GMT
Reply-To: sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Sep9.191259.23387@colorado.edu>, parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
> In article <1992Sep09.154148.6094@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> 
> 
> <deleted>
> >The Ali Akbar College of Music (AACM) (near San Fransisco) has regular
> >tabla classes. Many people go there for 2 or 3 week intensive courses.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is this what Ali Akbar and his college finally come to??:-):-)
> Packaged courses in Indian Classical Music???
>
I am a silent reader of this news group and have admired the
postings from Rajan Parrikar and other knowledgeable netters
on classical music. This is not a flame but just an honest
opinion.
I was in a music appreciation class at Caltech offered by Harihar
Rao, Ravi Shankar's student and now director of the Ravi Shankar
Music Circle in LA. He mentioned when Panditji first started
playing in the West, there was quite a firestorm of criticism
that he was diluting the purity of the classical form by adapting
to the conditions of western audiences. The point is debatable,
but he certainly paved the way for a wider appreciation of the
musical form.
In a similar vein I find nothing deplorable if the AACM does
offer 2-3 weeks intensive courses for those of us who have
chosen other vocations and do not have the 5-10 years needed
to master the art. What this may afford the student is a better
appreciation of the music, not an ability to play or sing as
an accomplished artiste. I know even among scientists, engineers
and doctors, there are those who have had classical training
and hence the idea of packaged courses like these can be an
anathema. Those who are not this fortunate but would still like
to cultivate a finer appreciation - would fine value in packaged
courses like this.
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Siddharth Dasgupta (sdg@wag.caltech.edu) (818) 397-2725
Materials & Molecular Simulation Center, Beckman Institute, CALTECH,Pasadena
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From boulder!parrikar Fri Sep 11 12:54:48 MDT 1992
Article: 1583 of rec.music.indian.classical
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003855.17130@cco.caltech.edu> sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta) writes:

<deleted>
>I am a silent reader of this news group and have admired the
>postings from Rajan Parrikar and other knowledgeable netters
>on classical music. This is not a flame but just an honest
>opinion.
>I was in a music appreciation class at Caltech offered by Harihar
>Rao, Ravi Shankar's student and now director of the Ravi Shankar
>Music Circle in LA. He mentioned when Panditji first started
>playing in the West, there was quite a firestorm of criticism
>that he was diluting the purity of the classical form by adapting
>to the conditions of western audiences. The point is debatable,
>but he certainly paved the way for a wider appreciation of the
>musical form.
>In a similar vein I find nothing deplorable if the AACM does
>offer 2-3 weeks intensive courses for those of us who have
>chosen other vocations and do not have the 5-10 years needed
>to master the art. What this may afford the student is a better
>appreciation of the music, not an ability to play or sing as
>an accomplished artiste. I know even among scientists, engineers
>and doctors, there are those who have had classical training
>and hence the idea of packaged courses like these can be an
>anathema. Those who are not this fortunate but would still like
>to cultivate a finer appreciation - would fine value in packaged
>courses like this.

You make some excellent points; mine were made tongue-in-cheek (I
should have had more smileys in there).
Be that as it may, I am not an enthusiastic proponent of the
"Learn Sitar in 3 Months" type courses advertised in some Indian
newspapers here. Music appreciation workshops and such like,
however, can lead to, as you've indicated, fun and profit.

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu
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>Siddharth Dasgupta (sdg@wag.caltech.edu) (818) 397-2725
>Materials & Molecular Simulation Center, Beckman Institute, CALTECH,Pasadena
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Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: atul@CS.CMU.EDU (Atul Sudhalkar)
Subject: D.K. Datar tour itinerary
Originator: atul@ITAIPU.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:56:32 GMT


The following is the itinerary of the forthcoming concert tour of the
US and Canada by Pt. D.K. Datar.

Note: (LD) means lecture-demonstration, (C) means concert, and
      (LD&C) means lec-dem and concert.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day/Date	Place		Contact			Phone nos.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sat, Sept 12	St Louis (C)	Mr. K. Sankaran		(314) 434-4804 (R)
Sun, Sept 13	Philadelphia(C)	Mr. Lenny Seidman	(215) 925-9914 (O)
				Mr. Mohan Ranade	(215) 969-1232 (R)
Tue, Sept 15	Pittsburgh (LD)	Prof. Fred Clothy	(412) 648-7495 (O)
Wed, Sept 16	Pittsburgh (LD)	Prof. Max Brandt	(412) 648-7495 (O)
Thu, Sept 17	Pittsburgh (C)	Dr. B.N. Dixit		(412) 963-8023 (R)
					      		(412) 648-8582 (O)
Sat, Sept 19	Washington, DC	Mr. Mohan Chittal	(703) 938-0960 (R)
Fri, Sept 25	Seattle	(C)	Mr. S. Ram Prasad	(206) 643-5464 (R)
Sat, Sept 26	Vancouver, BC	Mrs. Meena Pranjape	(604) 937-0521 (R)
Wed, Sept 30	Thunderbay,	Dr. Inderjeet Nirdosh	(807) 577-5641 (R)
		Ontario (C)
Fri, Oct 2	Ottawa,		Mrs. Mangal Waghmare	(613) 727-9524 (R)
		Ontario (C)
Sat, Oct 3	New York (C)	Mr. Sudhir Savur	(908) 297-4787 (R)
Sun, Oct 4	Miami (C)	Dr. M.S. Jagadish	(305) 685-2694 (R)
Fri, Oct 9	Orlando	(LD&C)	Mrs. Jasbir Mehta	(407) 333-3667 (R)
Sat, Oct 10	Cleveland (C)	Mr. Jagadish Gokhale	(216) 621-1081 (R)
Sun, Oct 11	Toronto	(C)	Mr. Magan Ambasana	(416) 496-0080 (R)
Mon, Oct 12	Toronto	(LD)*
Fri, Oct 16	Milwaukee (C)	Mrs. Suneeti Joshi	(414) 784-7796 (R)
Sat, Oct 17	Minneapolis (C)	Mr. R. Jayaraman	(612) 493-4879 (R)
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(*) tentative
From: rsaigal@jade.tufts.edu (Ranjani Saigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Kumar Gandharva
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:04:17 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: rsaigal@jade.tufts.edu


I recently heard a cassette by Kumar Gandharva. I am truly awed by his music.
Can someone tell me what gharana he belongs to? Also can someone tell me more
about him and his style? I seem to detect some tinges of carnatic music in 
his style.


				-Thanks

					Ranjani Saigal
From: kumar@ee.rochester.edu (K.N. Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Need info on Carnatic Music in Buffalo
Summary: info on carnatic music in buffalo
Keywords: Carnatic music, Buffalo NY
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:15:15 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Hi Folks,
	I need info and fone numbers for any Carnatic Music
Associations in Buffalo NY or upsate NY in general.
cheers
kumar

Kumar Neelakantan
Dept. of Electrical Engineering
CEAS
University of Rochester
Rochester NY
kumar@ee.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: divaka@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Very informative book on Indian Classical Music
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:31:02 GMT


In article <18o46mINN8eh@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, raj@phys.ksu.edu (raj) writes:
|> More on Indian Classical Music books:
|> 
|> Ragas of North India (or some variation of those words) by Prof. Nazir Ali
|> Jairazbhoy, Dept. of Ethnomusicology, UCLA.  I shall check the name and
|> repost tomorrow...the book deals with the Circle of Thats (a disputed notion
|> in North Indian music, to the best of my knowledge), but is very well written
|> and could be used for serious study of North Indian ragas. He uses Western
|> notation to show the notes used in various Thats and various ragas. Of cours
|> implementation of notes into an actual composition leaves Western notation
|> behind...
|>|> --
|> S. Raj Chaudhury			|
|> Dept. of Physics    			|  raj@phys.ksu.edu
|> Kansas State University			|
|> Manhattan, KS 66506			|
           The Grove Encyclopaedia quotes Prof Jairazbhoy repeatedly and cites
his works. I am not a hundred percent sure, but I think he is one of the 
contributors. 
             About the That system. The Grove Encyclopaedia says that Pandit
Onkarnath Thakur was one of the chief opponents of the That system. He felt
that it was too rigid a system and that Ragas should be studied on a case
by case basis. I really do not know enough to form a judgement one way or
another. It would be nice to see a knowledgeable opinion expressed on this
subject on the net. 
                                               ajay 
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: appa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ravi.ramaswamy)
Subject: CMANA
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:08:53 GMT

Folks,


	I received several responses to my earlier posting on the Carnatic
	Music Association of North America, requesting additional information
	about membership fees, tape library and so on. I apologize if this
	sounds like a membership drive. It is not. I am only trying to 
	serve the interests of Carnatic Music.

	The basic membership in CMANA is $100 valid for a lifetime. One can
	become a patron member for an additional $400. There are number of
	patron members (including myself). Patron members receive some
	special benefits such as two free tickets to CMANA-sponsored 
	concerts per year, center seating and automatic membership for spouses.
	(BTW, all contributions to CMANA, including buying tapes are
	tax-deductible). Basic membership entitles one to regular
	deliveries of Sangeetham, discount tickets for CMANA-sponsored
	concerts ($2 off) and some discounts on tapes. There are other
	categories of memberships - Junior and Honorary. Honorary patrons
	include Dr.Robert Browning,Dr.P.Rajagopalan (founder), Ramnad
	Raghavan and Sangeetha Kalanidhi T.Viswanathan, recognized by 
	CMANA for their lasting contributions to Carnatic Music in
	North America.

	The latest issue of Sangeetham just came out and has some interesting 
	articles on Thyagaraja, Maharajapuram Santhanam, Swati Tirunal, 
	crossword puzzles, etc. Sangeetham subscription by itself is 
	$15 per year. There is no clear CMANA policy on partial payments 
	to help students on a shoe-string budget. Perhaps it can be
	worked out on a one-on-one basis.

	The tape library is listed in each issue of Sangeetham. To be quite
	honest, some tapes are well recorded and others are not, especially
	those recorded during the earlier days of CMANA. I would be more than
	happy to talk to anybody about the tape list. It would be too
	time consuming to list them all here.

	Please let me know if you have further questions.

Ravi Ramaswamy

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	Some upcoming CMANA events:

	Fall tour by Sudha Raghunathan (VV Ravi, violin; T. Vaidyanathan, 
	mridangam). I will post the group's itinerary soon.

	N.J. concerts sponsored by CMANA
	--------------------------------

	Sudha Ragunathan: 10/17, 5:30 p.m. at Rutgers University.
	
	Nagaswaram concert by Mambalam Siva 10/31,5:30 p.m. at Rutgers

	Lecture-Demo "Structure of Different Types of Compositions
	in Carnatic Music" by Sangeetha Siromani Prof.S.Janakiraman
	9/17, 6 p.m., Stelton Comm. Center, Edison, N.J.
	


Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar)
Subject: Re: Mallikarjun Mansur dead??
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:49:07 GMT

In article <92Sep15.111551edt.315@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> kulki@cs.toronto.edu (Dattatraya Kulkarni) writes:
>parrikar@mimicad.Colorado.EDU (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
>
>>Just read on soc.culture.indian that Mallikarjun Mansur is dead. Can
>>someone confirm??
>
>>Rajan Parrikar
>>==============
>>email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu
>
>Yes, it is true, sadly so. I read the following in alt.culture.karnataka.
>It was broadcasted on dial-in-news in Toronto as well. Here are the 
>three posting including my own. We do miss his music.
>
>--kulkarni
>


Some of Pandit Mallikarjun Mansur's best recordings are in the All India
Radio archives - particularly the National Music Programmes. Wonder if
and how we can access these.
*****
I clearly recall the night in early 80s at the Surashree Kesarbai
Kerkar Sangeet Samaroh in Panjim - Mallikarjun stepping down backstage
after an unforgettable performance and inquiring of all present if he
had made any mistakes! No cultivated humility, this....the man was a
gem.
*****
Does anyone have recordings of Pandit Nivruttibuwa Sarnaik? He is in
the same mould as MM though much less known.
*****

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu










Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: atul@CS.CMU.EDU (Atul Sudhalkar)
Subject: D.K. Datar tour itinerary
Originator: atul@ITAIPU.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:55:30 GMT


The following is the itinerary of the forthcoming concert tour of the
US and Canada by Pt. D.K. Datar.

Note: (LD) means lecture-demonstration, (C) means concert, and
      (LD&C) means lec-dem and concert.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day/Date	Place		Contact			Phone nos.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sat, Sept 12	St Louis (C)	Mr. K. Sankaran		(314) 434-4804 (R)
Sun, Sept 13	Philadelphia(C)	Mr. Lenny Seidman	(215) 925-9914 (O)
				Mr. Mohan Ranade	(215) 969-1232 (R)
Tue, Sept 15	Pittsburgh (LD)	Prof. Fred Clothy	(412) 648-7495 (O)
Wed, Sept 16	Pittsburgh (LD)	Prof. Max Brandt	(412) 648-7495 (O)
Thu, Sept 17	Pittsburgh (C)	Dr. B.N. Dixit		(412) 963-8023 (R)
					      		(412) 648-8582 (O)
Sat, Sept 19	Washington, DC	Mr. Mohan Chittal	(703) 938-0960 (R)
Fri, Sept 25	Seattle	(C)	Mr. S. Ram Prasad	(206) 643-5464 (R)
Sat, Sept 26	Vancouver, BC	Mrs. Meena Pranjape	(604) 937-0521 (R)
Wed, Sept 30	Thunderbay,	Dr. Inderjeet Nirdosh	(807) 577-5641 (R)
		Ontario (C)
Fri, Oct 2	Ottawa,		Mrs. Mangal Waghmare	(613) 727-9524 (R)
		Ontario (C)
Sat, Oct 3	New York (C)	Mr. Sudhir Savur	(908) 297-4787 (R)
Sun, Oct 4	Miami (C)	Dr. M.S. Jagadish	(305) 685-2694 (R)
Fri, Oct 9	Orlando	(LD&C)	Mrs. Jasbir Mehta	(407) 333-3667 (R)
Sat, Oct 10	Cleveland (C)	Mr. Jagadish Gokhale	(216) 621-1081 (R)
Sun, Oct 11	Toronto	(C)	Mr. Magan Ambasana	(416) 496-0080 (R)
Mon, Oct 12	Toronto	(LD)*
Fri, Oct 16	Milwaukee (C)	Mrs. Suneeti Joshi	(414) 784-7796 (R)
Sat, Oct 17	Minneapolis (C)	Mr. R. Jayaraman	(612) 493-4879 (R)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
(*) tentative
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: parrikar@mimicad.Colorado.EDU (Rajan Parrikar)
Subject: Mallikarjun Mansur dead??
Originator: parrikar@sangria
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:07:35 GMT

Just read on soc.culture.indian that Mallikarjun Mansur is dead. Can
someone confirm??

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: vchandra%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (V Chandramouli)
Subject: Re: Carnatic music on Guitar
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:02:21 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Sorry for my earlier mesg about what technique Skumaran uses,as I didn't see you reply. You are
probably right in saying that he does uses some metal(a metal bar IS indeed used in Hawaian-not wooden)
bar.That is why I thought it sounded so much like Hawaian at places.It is my understanding that the
blues guitarists out here use some such technique.Am I right ?
Thanks,

	--Chandramouli

Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: divaka@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: notation reqd for indian music
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:04:56 GMT

I dont know if this is of any direct help, but I know of one old old
book which presents Indian Ragas in Western staff notation.
The Music of Hindoostan - Strangways-Fox
      I am sure your library can get it for you. The New Grove encyclopaedia
of music has a huge section devoted to Indian music which has useful
information as well. I am told that Narayana Menon and Raghava Menon among
others have also written books on this subject. I dont know of any 
source of Indian music, pop or otherwise, in detailed note for note form.
Pandit Bhatkande's book series has quite a few compositions and phrases
in Hindustani notation, which should be quite easy to learn for anyone
who is familiar with the staff notation. It can also be easily transcribed
to the staff notation.
              Now for a note of caution. Western notation can never represent
Indian music with a hundred percent accuracy because of the different rhythms
that we use. Indian rhythms do not lend themselves well to Western notation.
So the staff notation version HAS to be supplemented by actually listening
to the music from a recording or ,if possible, live. 
                      I hope this was useful.
                                                  ajay 
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003855.17130@cco.caltech.edu> sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta) writes:

<deleted>
>I am a silent reader of this news group and have admired the
>postings from Rajan Parrikar and other knowledgeable netters
>on classical music. This is not a flame but just an honest
>opinion.
>I was in a music appreciation class at Caltech offered by Harihar
>Rao, Ravi Shankar's student and now director of the Ravi Shankar
>Music Circle in LA. He mentioned when Panditji first started
>playing in the West, there was quite a firestorm of criticism
>that he was diluting the purity of the classical form by adapting
>to the conditions of western audiences. The point is debatable,
>but he certainly paved the way for a wider appreciation of the
>musical form.
>In a similar vein I find nothing deplorable if the AACM does
>offer 2-3 weeks intensive courses for those of us who have
>chosen other vocations and do not have the 5-10 years needed
>to master the art. What this may afford the student is a better
>appreciation of the music, not an ability to play or sing as
>an accomplished artiste. I know even among scientists, engineers
>and doctors, there are those who have had classical training
>and hence the idea of packaged courses like these can be an
>anathema. Those who are not this fortunate but would still like
>to cultivate a finer appreciation - would fine value in packaged
>courses like this.

You make some excellent points; mine were made tongue-in-cheek (I
should have had more smileys in there).
Be that as it may, I am not an enthusiastic proponent of the
"Learn Sitar in 3 Months" type courses advertised in some Indian
newspapers here. Music appreciation workshops and such like,
however, can lead to, as you've indicated, fun and profit.

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu





>-- 
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>Siddharth Dasgupta (sdg@wag.caltech.edu) (818) 397-2725
>Materials & Molecular Simulation Center, Beckman Institute, CALTECH,Pasadena
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Ghazal, Rathod
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.124757.2944@alf.uib.no>, s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra) writes:
|> Hello Netters,
|> 
|> Has anybody heard the Ghazal singer Roop Kumar Rathod ?? (former tabla 
|> player for Anup Jalota.)
|> 
|> I have his "Parwaz", Does anyone know if he has come out with other
|> cassettes ?? 
|> 
|> Thanx!
|>  
|> __________________________________________________________________________
|>                 Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
|>                       University of Bergen, NORWAY
|>                          E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
|> __________________________________________________________________________

Rathod married Anup's first wife as well. I have a video of a concert
I think. Anyway, as I and others have mentioned in the past, you are
better off posting in rec.music.indian.misc since we discuss CLASSICAL
music here . :-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
Subject: Ghazal, Rathod
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:47:57 GMT

Hello Netters,

Has anybody heard the Ghazal singer Roop Kumar Rathod ?? (former tabla 
player for Anup Jalota.)

I have his "Parwaz", Does anyone know if he has come out with other
cassettes ?? 

Thanx!
 
__________________________________________________________________________
                Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
                      University of Bergen, NORWAY
                         E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
__________________________________________________________________________
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