From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:26:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Oct8.145920.25349@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>Sorry for the long Newsgroups: line, but I have no idea where this
>creep is posting from.

Same here.  Either creep.
>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>
>Very disingenuous, very dishonest, punk.  You refuse to acknowledge that
>you advocate creating a class of adult citizens with _less_ rights than
>other adult citizens: women of childbearing age.

Well, this begs the question, do *I* have the right to abort a fetus I am
carrying?

>You also refuse to
>acknowledge that you advocate creating rights for fetuses that no other
>humans have;

You do mean the right not to be ripped apart with a coat hanger, right?  I
don't have that?  I think I'll go hide, now.

>>> A fetus is NOT a person, check up on the law.  A child is a BORNED person,
>>> check up on the law.  You will have to change all of these to have it 
>>> your way.  Until you do, the legal definition--the only one I care about--
>>> stands.

>>        I don't really give a shit what you care about you heartless
>> bitch.

Well, so much for keeping people from calling each other names.

>>I am sick and fucking tired of hearing all this women's rights shit.

I'm not gonna touch this one.

>> Get this fucking straight once and for all - ABORTION IS NO MORE A WOMEN'S
>> RIGHTS ISSUE THAN ABOLITION WAS A SLAVE OWNER'S RIGHTS ISSUE.

Before abolition slave owners had the right to keep their slaves, no?  When
slavery was abolished they lost that right, no?

>Bruce-y, my pal, my loathsome little fascist, my misogynist little spittoon
>dweller,

I already made a comment about not calling each other names, right?

>you will continue to hear about women's rights until women get paid
>a whole dollar for a dollar's work; until men stop using women for target
>practice; until women can plan their lives, including whether or not to have
>children and when, with the same degree of certainty as men can;

Wait a minute.  If I have sex with someone (well, miracles could happen) and
she gets pregnant, it is currently her option to abort or to carry to term.
Do I have that option also?  Can I drag her down to the abortionists against
her wishes?

>and until a
>few other minor issues are ironed out.  If you are sick and tired of hearing
>about women's rights, there are two things you can do: 1) educate yourself on
>women's issues and support women's rights; 2) lock yourself in the bedroom
>with your radio turned up real loud, tuned to your hero Rush.

That, or edit your killfile.  I'm thinking of doing that.
>
>>         Just because you do not see fit to respect the rights of others
>> to live does not mean that I have to agree with you. Don't like my
>> choice of words? Don't like me calling a fetus a child, and calling
>> abortion murder? Tough shit. Truth hurts, doesn't it??

>You must be hurtin' a lot, then.  Go ahead, use your impotent little rhetoric
>to your heart's content. 

As richh would say, "Hee."  I miss richh.

>Btw, when you get around to responding to my article where I showed how you're
>a hypocrite,.

Everybody's a hypocrite.  Part of "Fallibility of Man."  Can't be helped.  I'm
a hypocrite by planned intent.

Big Al.  If I get to have an abortion, can I have PMS too?