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From: f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:35:43 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden


 In article <1993Jan10.195237.17177@Princeton.EDU>, bkc@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Caruthers) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.121253.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> belcinski@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>>
>>>      Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>>> is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  
>>
>>  Possibly, it has to do with spreading out active sensors for better
>>detection/targetting of the enemy.  Maybe the SW sensors rely on parallax.  
>>
>>> The engines are close to the pivot point and do not have a new position that
>>> is substantially more efficient than they do when the wings are closed.  
>
>Perhaps it is to provide additional surface area for radiating waste heat
>from the engines thereby allowing them to run at a much higher (combat)
>output level?
>

Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
for pulling them in?

I think that while traveling through hyperspace, it is a concern to minimize the ship's area, so that particles will hit the ship more seldom. I know, pulling the wings closer to the ship doesn't decrease the area, but what about hyperspace gas laws? A gap between the wings would probably cause a force backwards, with speed decrease as the result.

Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...


C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately three thousand, seven hundred and twenty to one.

Han: Never tell me the odds!

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From: hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett)
Subject: Thanks for the help with SW oscars
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:00:17 GMT


Thanks for the help with the SW oscars, here is the answer I was sent,
so I take no responsiblity for any errors .

>From: Michael R Julian <mjulian@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

>hello

>     In response to your question about what oscars the movies have won, the 
>only one of the three that won anything was ANH.  It won:

>               best art direction
>               best set decoration
>               best costume design
>               best sound
>               best film editing
>               best visual effects
>               best original score
>               special achievment award for sound effect creation

>     It was nominated for:
>
>               best picture
>               best director (Lucas)
>               best supporting actor (Alec Guinness)
>               best screenplay (Lucas)

>I hope this gives you what you want.  No......I didn't recall this stuff off 
>the top of my head :)

>mike (with a little help from larry)

Gee, it makes you wonder, what movie could possibly have beat out Star Wars 
for best picture?

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From: ECL2B08@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Susan L. Minobe)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:56:32 PST

In article <8384@news.duke.edu>, on 7 Jan 93 00:15:18 GMT,
braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun) writes:

>
>In article <C0CpHq.JH8@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>>>
>>To take this even further, I remember seeing a "Making of Star Wars" show
>>in the early 80's (perhaps made pre-TESB).  In it, they explained that they
>>used this type of angle footage discreetly to show the extension of the
>>light saber.  The actor would start pointing the prop saber (which was
>>fully extended, always was) at the camera.  Then, using a switch on the hilt
>>to distract from the "slight of hand", the actor would slowly turn the blade
>>so it appeared to lengthen in the two-dimensional camera frame.  The sfx
>>folks would later add colour....
>>
>Its been a while since I've watched the movie, but I remember the scene well.
>In fact when Ben's sabre shortens I think you can see the ~half inch
>diameter rod sticking out of the light sabre handle.  I seem to vaguely
>remember hearing that in the first movie the light sabres effects were done
>(partially?) on the set (some trick with lights?) but for the subsequent
>movies all light sabre efects were done in postproduction.  Does anybody
>reme mber this?
>
>Brad's posting makes sense when I think about Luke turns on his sabre for
>the first time; he has his hand in some weird position and starts swinging
>it as the blade comes out.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I remember the TV special on the Making of SW (a long time ago...)
& in it they explained the lightsaber effect. There were 2 props--
1 that was just the base & the other was the base with a clear(?)
rod approx 3' long. When Luke is playing with the lightsaber at
Ben's home, M.Hamill was using Prop 1 & "pretending" the rest of
it was there (what an actor!). The effects were added later. I'm
not sure, but I think Ben's brief fight in the Cantina were also
using Prop 1. Now, Prop 2 was used in the DV/OWK fight on the Death
Star. Watch carefully when OWK turns on this lightsaber--Alec G
starts out pointing the lightsaber DIRECTLY AT YOU! This is so that
you can't see that 3' portion of the rod. As the lightsaber goes on,
his hand is also moving the prop so that it is now pointing AWAY
FROM YOU. Thus, thanks to physics/parallax/POV/whatever, the light
of the lightsaber APPEARS TO BE GENERATED FROM THE BASE! AMAZING!
BUT, in the TV special, Doug Trumbull (?? is that right?) admitted
that his crew MISSED COLORING IN OWK's LIGHTSABER FOR APPROX 3' OF
FILM!!! DV/D.Prowse uses both props--Prop 1 when he first confronts
OWK & subsequently "turns on" his lightsaber & Prop 2 during the
actual fight. I would bet that both props were still used for the
next 2 films--"pretending" to fight a lightsaber duel with just the
base would be pretty difficult even for a fencing master! My guess
is that the FX guys were more careful about coloring in after the
boo boo in the 1st movie...
-SLM/UCLA BIOMED LIBRARY-
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Trilogy Marathon in Boston
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:26:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Be jealous! Sunday I will be seeing the Trilogy on a 60 foot screen in
Boston at the Wang Center :) These are NEW prints! Should be awsome!!

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From: brant@cs.UAlberta.CA (Brant Coghlan)
Subject: Star Wars in Orlando Florida?
Summary: What's to see?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:51:23 GMT

Besides Star Tours, are their any Star Wars or Science Fiction things to see
in Orlando Florida?  Are there any good SF stores?

Brant Coghlan, Comp Sci Grad Student, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
brant@cs.ualberta.ca
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Questions about Die-Cast Metal Miniatures (Kenner Toys)
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:30:46
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: mochang@girtab.usc.edu's message of 9 Jan 1993 23:33:12 -0800

>>>>> On 9 Jan 1993 23:33:12 -0800, mochang@girtab.usc.edu (Morrison J. Chang) said:

mochang> 1) Other than Hoth and Bespin playsets were there any others?

There is a complete toy list on the archive in the /toys directory.




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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:11:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article jtl2447@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.T. Liu) writes:
>In article L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood) writes:
>>I think it's obvious (spoiler)
>>
>>Winter is the Empire's Delta Source. Who else has:
>>been introduced
>>been around for two books
>>not done anything
>
>I agree.

It's obvious that Zahn set Winter up as delta source, don't you think
it is a little too obvious? If Zahn can't come up with something
better than Winter, then I certainly think the book were money and time
wasted. 

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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SWRPG 2nd Edition
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:17 CST
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan9.230437.14210@fy.chalmers.se>, support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster) writes...
>|> 	all of us who play the game are in for a big shocker when old books 
>|> 	get a new cover, a few new color prints from the movies and small
>|> 	rule changes, and packaged as "new material".
> 
that's a bit of what i feel after getting the second edition.  they didn't 
change much beyond incorporating the "move" aspect, changing damage around, 
and adding the Character Points (brownie points from the Ghostbusters game)

am i missing something, or are the rules for improving starships not in the 
2nd edition?

first edition rules seemed to be okay enough, but all the second edition stuff
seems to be like WEG just wanted more charts and tables for the game (the 
Rolemaster effect).  

and they still didn't add an index.

later this week i might post something about the differences from first to
second edition books if i get the time.
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From: Jason_Mulligan@camelot.apana.org.au (Jason Mulligan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Test
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:19:50 EST
Organization: The TOWER BBS



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From: Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars New Movie
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:19:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

TJ Goldstein (tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
>In a previous article, Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss) says:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>A few months ago (In july, I think) there was an ad in a magazine in
>Berlin,
>>Germany. It was from Fox Germany and they were lokking for: "...extras for
>the
>>Film STAR WARS: The Fall Of The Republic." I don't know wether it was some
>kind
>>of Hoax or not.
>
>It's a hoax.  Fall of the Republic is the name of a bogus story treatment
>that's been floating around since 1983.  Besides, I don't think he'd be
>filming in Germany.
>
>On the other hand, did you say that the magazine was from  Fox Germany?
>As in 20th Century Fox?   If so, or if anyone else has seen this, I
>would really appreciate a photocopy of it mailed to me at the magazine:

The ad was from FOX GERMANY (not the magazine) wich is a branch of 20th Century
Fox.

Joachim Hoss
Cologne, Germany
Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de
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From: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: DFR
Reply-To: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:06:03 GMT

The third zahn book should be out in May.
Also if you keep up with the comic books Leia is pregnant with a third child, so she doesn't have to have twins. Maybe the first time was just a coincidence.
						Dark Jedi
From: tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: 3rd Zahn Novel
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:06:56 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

Forgive my last post, I forgot to put a title in it.

Wasn't the 3rd Zahn novel supposed to be  published around X-mas?

Tim.
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Dark Force Rising, paperback
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:40:57 GMT

Anybody know if DFR is out in paperback in the UK? It's not worth
the hardback cover price but I'd buy it in this format. If it's not
out yet, when can we expect it coz I'm getting fed up waiting..

Happy Halibut XVII

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From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:30:04 GMT


hi, sorry for no quoting, but Im not that good at emacs yet.   on the topic
of the predictions for The Last Command, id hardly call it spoilers since
its just guessing.  As far as the delta source goes, i think its those 
goofy trees in the palace that have change color when you touch them.  I
remember noting that the information that Thrawn got at one point was the
same information Luke had been talking about while walking through the 
hallway and touching the trees.  as for the other predictions, i doubt the
imperial fleet will be wiped out, and you havent even mentioned the Dark Force 
itself, do you expect the dreadnaughts to simply vanish?  

As for a major character dying, while Zahn isnt working with Dark Horse, I
doubt he will kill off a character that is being used in a later time.  I
doubt he would be allowed to anyway.  His plot had to be approved by Lucas
before he started doing real writing.  

My only 'prediction' is that Mara will be trained as a Jedi by Luke.  I thought
that it would end up being a romantic interest, but it doesnt seem likely to
me just because of the way Luke is being written.  

Back on the subject of Dark Horse, does anyone have any ideas on the
reconciliation of the evidence of the emperor's death in  Zahn's books with
his appearance in Dark Empire?  

Austin
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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Red/green lightsabers
Keywords: surviving the iron storm, i pledge to do...
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:43:16 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Of The Jungle) writes:

> In article <1993Jan3.184910.24601@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.e
> >Actually, the shift in the color of Vader's saber
> >is probably related to some old experiments in
> >which organisms were trained to be blind to
> >certain factors-such as color. By shifting the
> >color on the sabre betwen red and green the
> >people in the audience, after watching unnoticed
> >for a number of times as most fans did, would
> >eventually be incpable of discerning red from green.
> >Thus, Star Wars fans would not be able to competently
> >react to stop lights resulting in huge numbers of traffic
> >fatalities and accidents. Since large cars, usually
> >American, are better protection for drivers in accidents
> >than small cars, the demand for American big-cars would
> >increase. Thus we learn that Lucas was bribed by a
> >coalition of GM, Ford and Chrysler to try to stop the
> >erosion of the market for the American car by mass-
> >brainwashing techniques.  In that sense, Lucas could
> >be called both a patriot, for his protection of the American
> >industry, and also a pioneer in psycho-engineering. Viva
> >Lucas!
> >
> >			John
> 
> 
> Hey, but then if Lucas was being paid by the big three, then why did he
> ever make Tucker--The Man And His Dream?

He didn't.  Francis Ford Coppola did (damn good movie BTW).


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:29:38
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk's message of 7 Jan 93 16:41:40 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Jan 93 16:41:40 GMT, Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) said:

Scott Streeter writes:
ss> Most model and hobby shops around my area have Falcons, X-wings,
ss> etc... in abundance.  Personally I can't wait for the Rebel Base.
ss> That and the Hoth Battle kit are the only kit's I don't have.

Smith> Which rebel base is this?  The one on Yarvin or the one on Hoth?

The base on Hoth. It has miniature Snow Speeders, X-wings, Falcon, and
a Rebel Transport. Plus little Rebels all over the place :)

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From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Subject: Re: Zahn's books
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:39:25 GMT

kieth@cco.caltech.edu (Kieth Allan Schneider writes:

>winikoff@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael David WINIKOFF) writes:
 
>>wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:
 
>>>Is it just me or are Zahn's books really pointlos and boring?
 
>>It may be just me but I think it's just you.
 
>Coming from me, I'm not so sure it's just him.
 
>keith
 
speaking only for myself, im quite certain its just him.

Brad

but i wouldnt want to be one to perpetuate this pointless discussion.

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Subject: Re: Questions
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:33:21 CST
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In article <1iqe8mINN3na@leela.CS.ORST.EDU>, littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) writes:
> After watching Return of the Jedi about 5 times on Showtime in the past 
> month, I've noticed a few things that seemed quirky:
> 
> 1>  In the final fight, it appeared that all you needed to do to waste those
> expensive star destroyers (and the excelsior as well) is to blow up the
> ball things on top and then ram into the main command part of the ships.
> Whoever designed the things shoulda been choked by Darth Vader.  

However, blowing those ball things (otherwise known as the deflector sheild 
genetators) up wasn't the easiest of tasks.  However, a ship of that size
should have had an auxillary bridge of some sort.  It seems strange that
one A-wing through the command center, and the whole thing goes under.
> 
> 2>  Is it just me, or was the Wedge character seriously underdeveloped?  
> The guy managed to survive the first death star trench battle, the hoth
> at-at battle, *AND* the second death star battle. 

Zahn developed him a little better (Whether you liked Zahn or not) and I seemed
to think that Wedge was a person who didn't want that kind of command, and
perfered to fight in an X-Wing.

After all, Luke was given an X-wing and blew up a death star on his first try.
Kinda good for a quick rising farm boy!

> Plus it doesn't make
> sense that Lando Calrissian was some mining platform owner who manages
> to rise quickly in the rebel ranking system (and apparantly higher than
> Wedge, since Lando commandeered the fighter attack, while Wedge was just
> a "sub-set" leader).  I guess it's just who ya know, eh?
"I guess someone must have told them about my little manuevar on Antarres IV"
or some thing like that.. 
JP
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From: redant@imec.be (Steven Redant)
Subject: Star Wars RPG 2nd Ed
Keywords: RPG sourcebooks
Organization: IMEC V.Z.W,Interuniversitair Micro Electronica Centrum, Belgium
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:39:02 GMT

I recently got myself a copy of the 2nd Ed RPG rulebook. Though the
rules are adapted in such a way that the game is even better I was very
disappointed with the layout.
one: it's messy and structureless (some titles are in the wrong font
size even.
two: Where are all those nice pictures from the movies that were in the
first one. Some of the drawings are BAD! Not so-so but BAD!

That being said my question is are there any supplements for the 2nd Ed
out yet? Are they going to re-work the 1st Ed. Sourcebooks?

Steven Redant
redant@imec.be
From: zawarski@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Zawarski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: TOYS FOR SALE
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:19:57 -0800
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Summary: TOY FOR SALE
Keywords: TOYS

FOR SALE : STAR WARS ELECTRONIC BATTLE COMMAND - 'The Game of Hyperspace
           Dogfights' BOX: Fair GAME: Good INTRSTRUCTIONS: Good
 
           ALSO INCL.: Kenner STAR WARS catalogue.

           Got this stuff together at XMAS. Have to get my parents to
          send it out from PA. Make an offer worth my while and it's
          yours.

(This is the table-top/handheld with a keypad and grid screen in white case.)

                                           --> Rob <--

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