From: wreck@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (R. Cage)
Subject: Re: Re: I'm Pro-Male-Choice\
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Summary: Clue time!
Organization: Boye, Dewey, Cheetham and Howe, Atty's.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:01:00 GMT

In article <16650010@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> larryf@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Larry Ferreira) writes:
-In alt.dads-rights, wreck@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (R. Cage) writes:
->  In <16650009@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> larryf@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Larry Ferreira) writes:
->  >The possible physical consequences of abortion may be many.  Not only does
->  >the women risk possible infection, but she also lessions her chances
->  >of being able to carry any future pregnancies to term with each abortion.
->  >The risk factor increases with each subsequent abortion.
-
->  This is an anti-abortionist lie.  There is no such effect.
->  If you continue to claim otherwise, cite reliable medical
->  authorities (peer-reviewed papers in authoritative journals,
->  not Bernard Nathanson).
-
-I don't even know who Bernard Nathanson is.  I don't want to get into
-a debate with you on the subject.  The 'burden of proof' argument goes
-both ways, and statistics do lie.  All I know is that in studying the
-effects on abortion I've run across what I've said above and I stand on
-my above statements.

So, in what journals have you published your results?

Don't tell me you're relying on anecdotal evidence without
any kind of statistical controls, and presenting this as
a universal truth, now.  I'd be seriously disappointed.

->  >This also causes a lot of physical stress to the woman's body, not to 
->  >mention her mental stability.
-
->  Physical stress:
->  Chance of death from abortion before 8 weeks:	1 in 400,000
->  Chance of death from abortion, 8-12 weeks:	1 in 100,000
->  Chance of death from full-term pregnancy:	1 in  10,000
-
-I wonder how many of the deaths caused by full-term pregnancy are caused
-by improper medical care?  Again statistics can be made to favor whatever
-way fits an argument.

Don't change the subject.  You were claiming abortion is stressful.
(Half-truth.)  I supplied the other half of the truth.  Now either
'fess up or go away.

->  Mental stress:  Post-partum depression is well-documented and
->  irrefutable.  "Post-abortion syndrome" cannot be demonstrated
->  reliably.
-
-Perhaps, but from personal experiences I seen it.

Have you?  A recent study found that teenagers who abort have
*less* stress and go on to be *more* successful in school and
remain off welfare than either teens who carry to term or those
who turned out not to be pregnant.  Sounds anti-stressful to me.
Also empowering, giving them a sense of self-worth and -control.

Has it occured to you that you are seeing stress from the attitudes
of judgemental people such as yourself, or religious indoctrination?

->  Abortion is both physically and mentally easier than not aborting.
-
-Dying is physically and mentally easier than living, so what!  I'm just
-stating that abortion is not without its conquences.

Another half-truth.  If birth and abortion were the only two runners
in a race, you'd claim that birth came in second while abortion came
in next to last.  True, but hardly complete or in good faith.

I'm cross-posting to talk.abortion.  Followups are directed there.
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