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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: More About Beans:)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:32:51 GMT



I hate to admit what a "geek" I am but legumes are one of my favorite
subjects and foods as well.

The Physican's Commitee For Responsible Medicine, the folks who push for
a vegan diet and who published their own "4 food groups" poster ( beans,
grains, veggies, and fruit) puts out their own nutrition newsletter.  They
claim very little nutrition is lost in soaking ( nutrition, not taste), most
of what is lost is pigment ( esp kidney, pintos etc ).  Their method of reducing
gass producing agents is to:

1.  soak overnight in a lot water
2.  discard stock, refill into a pot with fresh water
3.  boil at high for one minute.
4.  discard and replace water again
5.  cook normally

PCRM also claims that if you build your legume intake *Steadily* & Gradually
your body will adapt to digesting them more efficently.

Also not all legumes are the same.  Some are harder to cook and produce more
gass.  Interestingly these are the ones that were raised in the west for
cattle feed and fertilization purposes.  Several legumes originating from
asia were raised for human consumption are much easier to handle, are as
nutritious, and dont lose their flavor in soaking.

Long Cooking high gass beans:

pintos, garbanzos, kindneys, black, navy, white northern

Quick Cooking low gas beans/legumes:

mung beans, adzuki beans, all lentils, all varities of split peas, blacke-
eyed peas.

Steve R



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Michelle Dick
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From: msmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Smith)
Subject: Athelete
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:52:30 GMT

 STEVE SPENCE, the 1992 USA Olympic marathon runner, is a l-o-veg.
 His wife is a nutrionist and a vegan herself.  She however does not
 reccomend that STEVE become a vegan.
 Since I became a l-o-veg (2 yrs ago) my times in the 10K and marathon
 have improved, due to an increase in energy.
 MY question is for the athelete/vegan. Should an athelete with low
 body fat worry about dairy products if they do not represent a
 majority of the diet?  Aren't small amounts of dairy products an
 efficient way to get the protein/vitamins needed for endurance
 sports?

 mas
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Questions
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:30:49 GMT

In article <C0GqG3.11z@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  
bslandry@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Bruno S. Landry) writes:

>Since we have to change the water in tofu every day or so, does
>that mean that any food (not cooked) prepared using tofu will only keep
>a day or so in the fridge?

you do not have to change the water everyday, i have been buying  tofu in the
1lb plastic tubs for years, and years and years (probably from the same T.O.
distributer -- Yet Sing) and only if the Tofu is in the fridge for a week do i
worry about a change of water. 

since the water change is unneccessary, it follows that Tofu leftovers in the 
fridge are not neccessarily suspect after a day or so.
--
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     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
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Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:11861 rec.scuba:6841
From: narad@Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad - Diver/Adventurer/Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.scuba
Subject: Vegetarian food on dive boat (Cayman Agressor)
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:40:46 GMT
Reply-To: narad@Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: SMCC Architecture Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur

Having just returned from a dive trip on the live-aboard Cayman Agressor,
and being vegetarian, I wanted to let you know that they are very accomodating
to vegetarian guests.  I let them know in advance that I was a lacto-ovo
vegetarian (okay, in the last few years I have occasionally added fish
to my diet); the cook on board took special pains to make me a veggie
dish or a veggie version of the meal if it wasn't already veggie.  One of
the crew members was also vegetarian, and she has been training the
cook on finer details since she started there last month.

For example, on the day they had a burger barbeque for lunch, the cook
(Jerralow, a Camanian who has worked on the boat since it first went
into business) made several falafel burgers for me and Sandi (the dive master).

Having endured pork-based local cuisine at several dive resorts (for example,
in  Honduras and Mexico) this flexibility was refreshing.  It was also there on
my other live-aboard experience (on the Bilikiki in the Solomon Islands);
liveaboards in general pamper you, that's what you pay for!

I'll post a Cayman Agressor trip report to rec.scuba sometime in the next
month.

cheers!
chas/
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From: levin@world.std.com (Levin F Magruder)
Subject: Keeping produce nice
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:40:09 GMT

As a single  vegetarian, I face challenge of using produce before it
spoils on nearly a daily basis.  Presumably, many of readers of this
group face challenges similar in nature and frequency.

I offer a few tips below.  Those marked "&" are based on things I've
read of (on the net or in cookbooks) but haven't tried/needed. Others
are based on my own experience.  I invite you to mail me additional
ones; if I get any, I'll incorporated them into this list and
re-post.  If you have a better way, or think something is bogus, send
me mail.  (If time and software permit, please quote selectively/not
at all.)

I especially solicit any ideas for keeping sprouts (of any type) for
longer than they keep in their store packaging.

Generally:  try to use produce fast, don't buy a lot more than
you need.

Generally:  remove any rubber bands from produce at your first
opportunity.  Rubber bands cut off air and hold in water.  Same for
wire wraps, as on romaine.

Scallions (green onions):  wrap in a layer or two of damp cheesecloth.
(By damp, I mean wet it and squeeze out as much water as you can in
your fist.  Don't wring cheesecloth.)

Mushrooms.  Wrap in a layer or two of damp cheesecloth, and store on
a plate, not in the vegetable crisper.  (Elizabeth Schneider
recommends this for shitakes, since reading I've stored all mushrooms
that way, and they seem to hold up better.)  Rinse out and redampen
cheesecloth ever 2 or 3 days.

Don't store onions and potatoes in the same place.  The potatoes get
mushy faster.

Don't refrigerate potatos, tomatos, onions, garlic, (but see below)
(shallots?).  (Eggplants?)

&Garlic - skin without smashing and store covered in sherry in the
fridge.

&Garlic - mince and cover with olive oil, store covered in fridge.

&Clay "garlic pots" work to keep garlic fresh in fridge.

&Ginger - slice or leave whole and store covered in sherry in the
fridge, skinned or just washed.

If, like me, you keep bell peppers, onions, eggplants and tomatos
sitting on the counter for want of a better place, turn them daily. 
Less likely to develop slime spots.

Those hanging wire baskets are probably good for all the above, and
for potatos.

&Don't store potatos above onions in those hanging wire baskets, but
below is ok.  (This sounds pretty old-wivey to me, but old wives
probably know a thing or two about storing veggies.)

Bok choy, romaine, leaf lettuce - wrap loosely in barely damp
dishtowel, store in crisper.

&Romaine, leaf lettuce, chicory, escarole - break up, wash, dry well
and store wrapped loosely in barely damp dishtwoel in crisper.
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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: WHO & Iron - Have They Gone Mad?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 20:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <C0G5yH.HE@dircon.co.uk> uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox) writes:


>Yes.  The really weird thing is, RAW potato can
>contain significant toxins.

I've heard that the "eyes" of a sprouting potato contain a toxin, and
they should be removed and discard. I suspect that is what you mean.
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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 18:24:03 -0500 
From: Tatsuhiro Ikeda <ti08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: REQUEST: seitan recipe

Hi,

    Anyone out there have a recipe for seitan?  Anyone know what it is? 
Basically, I think you make it by boiling whole wheat, but I don't know
any further than that.  Please direct responses to this account, as well
as this board.  Thank You!!!!

Tatsu Ikeda
ti08+@andrew.cmu.edu


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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Vitamin B Supplement?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:23:22 GMT


There was a good article on vegans and B12 in the Vegetarian Times
sometime within the last few months.  Ovo-lactos shouldn't worry,
but I found the studies discussed for vegans very interesting
(they gave 3 different viewpoints, as I recall).

Jamie


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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: This is an FAQ!! FTP site for R.F.V.??
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:50:29 GMT

eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen) writes:

>I've read some interesting articles in the past on this newsgroup, and would
>like to know if there is any archive site for rec.food.veg.  Any information
>about where to get (electronically) vegetarian info would be much
>appreciated.


I may be wrong, but I don't think there is.  Pity.

There are, however, some very assiduous individual
vegetarians who generously maintain extensive files of
specific vegetarian-relevant information.  For example,
there is MARK WISDOM and his invaluable world-wide
vegetarian travel guide.   Also, there is BRIAN MARCOTTE who
maintains a list of animal derived ingredients and is still
the keeper (I believe still) of our r.f.v. FAQ.

 Also, with respect to maintaining more general information
from various sources.  FERRELL WHEELER is one such
individual, but he is quite busy.  ABHAY BULSARI has been
very helpful by regularly posting some of that information
for new readers (e.g., the PCRM briefs) and now has quite a
database of his own from various sources.

There is the GRANOA database of recipes, "granola" postings,
and its own FAQL.  I earlier posted some instructions on how
to access that database under the heading "recipes, recipes,
and more recipes!!".

If you are in a hurry for some information, then maybe send
some of these individuals an e-mail request.  I am sure that
they will be more than willing to help.

							ted

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From: cgk@n.tam.uiuc.edu (Chris Kocher)
Subject: Insulting you family?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:01:46 GMT


	I've recently made a conversion to a new, healthier diet, but I'm
the only one in my family to do so.  My parents are both of German
extraction, though at different points down the line, so our family diet
was all meat and potatoes.  Well, whenever I go to visit my parents, 
that's all they eat.  It's hard for me to tell them that I don't want to
eat their food, especially when I know they've gone to considerable
effort to fix it.  I feel especially uneasy when they prod me further to
ask about my diet, and I tell them how unhealthy their food is.  
Fortunately, they appear to understand.  Does anyone else have this
difficulty?  I'm curious to know what others' experiences have been.

Chris

P.s.  If anyone near Janesville, Wisconsin, is interested, I can put
them in touch with a FANTASTIC nutripath there.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: info needed.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:43:10 GMT

Clover M. writes:

>weight with?  I am really discouraged to hear you say this, because
>as an asthmatic, I find most other exercises too stressful.

Don't get discouraged Clover!  I take it that you are referring
to my passing comment about swimming.  Sorry.
 
General advice is just that, general.  Real-world
applications of our general principles/findings must always
be open not only to exceptions, individual differences, but
also simply to the fact that quantity can always make up for 
quality  :-)   I too swam on a regular basis for years
and it is great exercise.  The best part of it all is that
can work-out and never get sweaty!  You just get cleaner  :-)

The relevant principles of aerobic exercise includes:
	1.  use large muscles (i.e., the legs)
	2.  burn fat, not sugar by ensuring that enough oxygen
	is still able to circulate (i.e., don't get out of
	breath but be able to still talk as you exercise)

A third would pertain to somehow ensuring that one is burning
energy and exercising the heart by having it beat at a good
pace (pulse readings are not really that exact an indicator as
individuals do differ; some people are working out even with what a
appear to be a comparatively slow heartbeat, but others have little
fast-beating hearts that do the same job by working quicker)

The crawl in swimming is mostly dependent upon the arms.  But
by adding in some lengths involving more leg work (e.g.,breast stroke),
then the first principle can be better satisfied.  The second principle
seems more easy to achieve in swimming as compared to jogging.
The third principle, however, is sometimes not fulfilled by those
who don't swim but merely float.  You know the kind.  :-(

Most people, however, just want to do a minimum of exercise.  I know 
that I do and I simply don't have time to swim any more, hence I
need more efficient exercise but also one's that are enjoyable
and rewarding for reasons beyond the mere fun of exerting oneself.
Swimming is like that.  The skills that one learns and perfects
are themselves an rewarding experience, and so on.  So, please don't
let me dissuade you from swimming or whatever you might be enjoying
as a physical activity.  Even the worst (aerobically speaking that is)
exercises can be good exercises if one does it for long enough periods.
And some exercise is always better than none.  No matter how good
the exercise, if you don't do it than any bad exercise is far better.
The important thing is to do something and that it be enjoyable for 
you otherwise you will simply stop doing it.  
.

			Have a good workout, whatever it is,
					ted



 
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From: timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Tim Ikeda)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Washing lettuce?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:26:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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From: Marco E. Nicosia  marco@berkeley.edu
>I've been laboriously washing every leaf off of every head of lettuce
>that I get from the supermarket. However, I'm pretty sure that my mom
>merely washes the outside couple of leaves and assumes that the inner
>leaves are clean.
>
>Is this a good assumption? Do, in fact, sprayed chemicals and whatnot
>NOT get onto lettuce beyond the outer leaves?

It's safest to wash all parts.
Sprayed chemicals aren't always the worst things to worry about.
There's also the continual problem of farms not providing enough
sanitary facilities for their harvest workers. (What? No toilet
paper? Well here's a handy head of lettuce...) I think that 
this has caused some hepatitis outbreaks in the US within the
past few years.

Some sources recommend using small amounts of mild detergent 
when washing vegetables. Not all contaminants are solubilized
with water alone. 

...not a cause for excessive paranoia, though.

-Tim Ikeda

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Athelete
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:14:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1993Jan9.015230.6605@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> msmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Smith) writes:

> Since I became a l-o-veg (2 yrs ago) my times in the 10K and marathon
> have improved, due to an increase in energy.

I'm not surprised. A diet low in meat has been known for years to improve
performance in endurance sports.


> MY question is for the athelete/vegan. Should an athelete with low
> body fat worry about dairy products if they do not represent a
> majority of the diet?  Aren't small amounts of dairy products an
> efficient way to get the protein/vitamins needed for endurance
> sports?

Don't worry about "small amounts" of dairy products. The main concern
with dairy products is their fat content, but since you are an
endurance athlete who is prone to eating too few calories, unlike a
sedate person who is prone to eating too many, your risks from
dietary fat are less. Nevertheless, I think any adult should restrict
their dairy products to skim milk.

It's unclear why you are pre-occupied with protein/vitamins needed for
endurance sports. For over 50 years, it's been known that endurance
athletes recover best from hard workouts if they eat a carbohydrate-rich
meal immediately after exercise. Doing so literally teaches the muscles
to store more glycogen, so you can exercise even longer before "bonking"
during your next endurance workout.

While that's been known for 50 years, a new study reports that adding
protein to the carbohydrate-rich, post-workout meal is even better.

You should read any of the new sports medicine books that
have been published in the past year. They will go into full detail
about what you should eat before and after competition.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dbader@eng.umd.edu (David Bader)
Subject: REQUEST: Vegetarian "Kishka"
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:08:49 GMT
Organization: Professional Student, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: dbader@mountaindew.eng.umd.edu


I was grocery shopping yesterday, when I had this urge for Kishka (which I
haven't had since I was really little).  I called up my Jewish Mother (TM), and
she explained that I probably wouldn't like it anymore, since it is made from
bread crumbs, paprika, and beef fat....  So, if you know what Kishka is, and have
an idea for a vegetarian (vegan!) recipe.. please email me!

 pppppppps,
  david


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From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Gay cats?  The final solution!
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:38:15 GMT

In article <C0Ds83.EEJ@world.std.com>, rik@world.std.com (Rik Ahlberg) writes:
> On Dec 30 George B. Clark said:
>>No cat with any self respect would accept a vegetarian diet. Without
>>meat, a cat would soon become an impotent, gay, wimp, unable to
>>stand tall among his neighborhood peers who hunt birds, mice, and
>>squirrels for their meals. 

> Now, I've never, EVER seen anyone use the words "impotent" and "gay"
> in the same sentence before...
> 
> AND IT PISSES ME OFF TO SEE INTELIGENT (?) PEOPLE MAKE STUPID
> ANTI-GAY COMMENTS ON THE NET. 

*OH YEAH*?????  Well, I think it's time to ban gay cats from the animal
shelters!!!!  Yes, I'm heading straight (pun intended) to Colorado
to start lobbying.  OH MY GOD...  What about gay military police 
dogs!!!!!  Better look into that too...  And gay seeing eye dogs...
Blind people won't be able to tell the difference!!!!

Better put Oregon on the list too... 

Yes, then we can go after the black cats and dogs (coon dogs too?)...  
And those mixed black and white ones????  Hey, if they didn't have
enough sense to breed with their own kind...  Gotta have purity
of breed you know!!!!

HA!!!!  I almost forgot about the Oriental breeds!  And... And... what
about those drunken Irish setters????  And French poodles.  God
I hate the French!!!!  And those sneaky, commie Russian wolf hounds????  
And Persian cats????  You know, Persia is really Iran!!!!

Hell, where did I put that white robe, kerosene soaked cross and swastika
arm band. 

Swastika?  SWASTIKA????  Jeeze, I almost forgot.  There *MUST*
be some Jewish breeds out there!!!!  Hell, we'll get them too!!!!

Hmmm, I think my head needs a shave too.

Before long it'll be a good world again, populated by honest, law
abiding, heterosexual, carnivorous, god fearing (wait a minute, I'm
an athiest... ok, skip that one) white angora cats (no odd eye ones) 
and German shepards!

;-)   <--------   For the humor impaired.
                                 
P.S. to any PO'd PCs out there:  Get professional treatment while 
                                 you're still young.

Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant
Disclaimer:     Monsanto didn't say this, I did!
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From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Iceland
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:48:07 GMT

I will be spending a week in Iceland at the end of January.  I don't usually
eat fish (and can't eat shellfish).

Does anyone know what/where a vegetarian might eat there?  What might I
expect to find in a restaurant?

Karen Walrath
MIT
From: ded@kps.se (David Edwards /DP)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: pesticides and eating
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:18:55 GMT
Organization: Kuwait Petroleum, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1i9sokINNkrl@life.ai.mit.edu> jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A. Johnson) writes:
>Well, my opinion on pesticides is this :
>	I figure either I'll starve to death or just eat the lettuce and such 
>that gets sold in the grocery store.  I doubt that water will doa good job of
>gettign the pesticides off.  I guess it's a matter of whether you want to 
>starve now or die of cancer 20-30 years from now.  There's alos the possibility
>taht someone will eventually start regulating these things.  I think it's 
>really impossible to stay away from nasty chemicals.  Just my bad attitude I 
>guess. 

It probably is impossible to avoid pesticides comletely, and nastiness 
in general. I peel my apples and pears (and bananas:-). I wash my 
lettuce in my salad-spinner in water mixed with at little dish soap 
and rinse thouroughly. I read once that pesticides are not normally 
water soluable. I lot more stuff seems to come off that way. 

It is very unscientific, but I would guess that there's more sh*t in
meat than there is in vegies, washed or unwashed. Anybody got any
figures on that?

In the mean time, I sincerly hope you enjoy those next 20-30 years though.

David Edwards
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Just insert nozzle into potato and gun is loaded.
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From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Kosher to veggie (was Re: RECIPES: sandwich spreads)
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 08:55:38 GMT

It seemed like too much work and change for me to be able to accomplish,
but it's sooooooo much easier as a vegan.  I've got a long way before I
keep Kosher at home, but I'm starting to seriously consider it.

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