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From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:58:37 GMT

> k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
> >...  As far as I'm concerned the political 
> >question is not whether Japan will open its market or not, but when it 
> >will do so, in exchange for what concessions, and whether the LDP will 
> >still retain its majority position after losing the support of the rural 
> >community.
> 
> I find statements like this to be annoyingly deceptive, and they are
> typical of comments made by Japanese.
> 
> The tone and structure of the statement suggests a detached gov't
> on which the Japanese people must wait for a response.  Bull.
> Mr. Nakamichi, you _are_ the gov't; it caters to you and not the
> other way around.  (We see the same kinds of responses when the
> Japanese are asked why there is a museum for the victims of the
> A-bomb yet there is no memorial to the victims of Northeastern
> Asia.  They say, "Well, that's the way the gov't wants it so ...
> shikata ga nai.")
> 
> Come on.  Say it up front.  Mr. Nakamichi, do you or do you not
> favor immediately opening the rice market?  Do you or do you not think
> that the LDP should act on this issue?

First off, you should know that I probably don't fit into the typical 
Japanese category.  My mother is Canadian, I look like a foreigner and 
have spent 12 years abroad.  If anything, my comments probably resemble 
that of someone who does not have much interest in politics.

I do favor an immediate opening of the rice market but I think that it 
would be in Japan's best interest to get a sweet deal in return.  What I 
really want to see is complete globalization: mobility of labor as well 
as resources, with lots more companies acting like what multi-national 
corporations are doing today.  I really hope that the North American Free 
Trade Agreement does act as an impetus to get the Japanese pushing for a 
multilateral agreement.  Perhaps we'll see a move away from old values 
with guys like Kenichi Ohmae coming to the forefront of Japanese 
business. 

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202340.3562@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.233904.4754@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> Second, in the 90s, a rock band distributed musical lyrics that called
>> for the use of violence.  Some teenagers listened to the lyrics and
>> subsequently committed violence.  The parents of the teenagers sued the
>> rock band and held it accountable for the teenager's actions.  By Mr.
>> Tan's reasoning, the rock band is now responsible for the action's
>> of the teenagers.
>
>	That's what's great about US culture, the one that all nations should
>emulate.  I mean, what other cultures are there in which a person who listens
>to a song will do whatever it says.  Damn, I better start my own rock group
>and sing songs about giving me cash, lotsa cash... :) :)

Sorry, Tai, other groups beat you to it.  For example, Bad News has a song
"Cashing In On Christmas" that says that.  E-mail me if you want the words.

>> In many Chinese-cu families, when the children--especially the eldest
>> child--object to conforming to the Chinese-cu way, like for example
>> learning the Chinese-cu language, the Chinese-cu parents often respond
>> that they will "make sure" that learning the Chinese-cu language will
>> take place.  "Make sure" translates to a gamut of negative reinforcement
>> ranging from verbal abuse to outright physical beatings.
>
>	Statistics, statistics.  Which study have shown that the eldest child
>object to conforming to the Chinese-cu way?  Does it mean the second child
>onwards do not object to learning the Chinese-cu way?  Well, at least that
>shows that the parents learn from their mistakes, and could properly brainwash
>their second child onwards, no matter how much it hurts them.

[sarcasm-mode-on]

Don't tell me...this is what happened to Dwight as a child, so he's assuming
that it happens to everyone.

[sarcasm-mode-off]

>ps:  Again, my idle curiousity wonders how many people actually took time to
>read this.  Do mail me and let me know.  Cheerio.

I did.
From: ct2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Canh Hoang Tran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Is TOEFL sufficient for college?
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:34:51 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have a friend who came to America around last February. He currently
attend a high school in Carlifornia as a senior student. In order to
apply to univeristies, colleges..., he has practiced for the SAT test.
Self-practicing, his math score is about 700-760, and his verbal score
is about 300 (in the SAT score range of 200-800). I tried to explain to
him that what he really needed to practice was math in SAT test, math
and science in the Achievement test, and the TOEFL test instead of the
verbal part in the SAT test. But he said that he never heard of it (of
course, since he has been here for 8 months). Would you, by sending
Email either to the Bboard
(address:>netnews.soc.culture.asian.american<) or to my
address:>ct2r+@andrew.cmu.edu<, give him advise by telling your own case
when you applied to universities, colleges..., and what have changed
since. I, myself is a freshman at Carnegie Mellon University. I took the
SAT test once, and got 300 in verbal part; but I submitted the TOEFL
score additionally. I really appreciate if you provide your SAT scores
(math and verbal) as well as scores in other tests (i.e., Achievement
test) required by your university in your replying letter. Thank you for
spending your busy time to help us.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.025312.6533@m.cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>paulko@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Konasewich) writes:
>
>>ZhiZhong Zhang (zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu) wrote:
>
>>: .. something to the effect that mainland Chinese and Taiwanese
>>:    female students prefer to date mainland Chinese and Taiwanese
>>:    males over American males.
>
>>: ZZZ
>
>
>>Maybe for a small portion of Chinese women, this is true, but overall, I
>>just don't buy it. Maybe it's the part of the country that you live in,
>>but on here on the West coast, I've seen lots of very attractive Asian
>>women with Caucasian men. I find it hard to believe that these women
>>can't get dates with Chinese men.
>
>	But are you sure those Asian women were from mainland China
>	or from Taiwan? If not, then your example does nothing
>	to refute ZZZ's observation.
>
>	It is a mistake to stereotype all Asians as a homogeneous
>	group regardless of background (i.e. foreign student,
>	immigrant, born here, etc) and ethnic origin (Korean,
>	mainland Chinese, Japanese, Indian).

  Exactly.  I think ZZZ was referring to women from mainland China
  or Taiwan.  I also know that among women who were born and raised
  in China/Taiwan, that they prefer to date men from China/Taiwan.
  And it is the ones who can't get dates with men from China/Taiwan
  who had to resort to Americans.  I've hung around with people from
  Taiwan who think it is hilarious and make fun of women who date
  "foreigners" (i.e. Americans).  They have a lot of unpleasant stereo-
  types of "foreigners", giggle, giggle, snort, mostly due to hairiness
  and odor.  Like how can she stand it, and references to gas masks.  :-)
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:22:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.200435.19458@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <2252@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL
>(Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.142458.27322@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
>>(Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>>[Comments expressing irritation at obnoxious attitude of some Caucasian
>>American males deleted]
>>>  Just curious, why are you guys so upset with ZZZ?  He is stating his
>>>  observation, you state yours.  So your observations don't match.
>>>  Big deal.
>
>If John Doe Hashimoto had said, 
>
>   Now the interesting part, usually the Americans-cu girls who
>   can get American-cu dates don't date Chinese-cu. Most of the times,
>   only those who cannot date American-cu date Chinese-cu.  No offense to
>   anyone here, just my observation. 
>
  That is what people say all the time about Chinese/Asian-Am men.
  Of course no one but you would say Chinese-cu.  But in truth this
  above statement IS one of the stereotypes that Asian/AA men have to
  contend with.
>
>I assure you people that some Chinese-cu would grab their spears,
>throw on the loin cloth, put on their head-dress, and beat the
>drums of a war chat--ready to flame that Mr. Hashimoto to a crisp.
>Further, their flames would be entirely a personal attack against
>Mr. Hashimoto.

  Who is Mr. Hashimoto (your pseudonym???)  I haven't seen any attacks
  on Mr. Hashimoto.  What he states is a common stereotype.

>What Ms. Ayala states is sheer hypocrsisy, and I suspect that she knows it.

  No, you seem to forget that these American-cu people are flaming ZZZ.
>
>>For the record I'm going to state *my* observation.  There have been comments
>>posted here more than once to the effect that women from mainland China
>>only associate with American men for the sake of the green card.  This does
>>not match my own experience at all.  I've had the privilege of knowing
>>several from women from China.  None of them were either this manipulative
>>or incompatible with American men.

  I wouldn't say ONLY for the green card, but the green card was a consideration.
  (From my observations and conversations behind the scenes, something you
  men will not hear from your foreign girlfriends.)
  Obviously they make their choices from among many American men, so they've
  got to have some other common interests than the Green Card.  It's just in
  the final summation of deciding who to date, the Green Card is considered
  in addition to other personal traits, financial resources, and looks.

>>>  They don't all belong to you Americans.

  I meant you American men.  We American women don't go around thinking that
  men of the world should always prefer us over the women from their own
  countries.

>>What's this `you Americans' stuff?  I though you grew up in the USA?
>
  We WERE talking about MEN, arrogant men for that matter...
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Date: 11 Oct 1992 02:43:11 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

we're stuck with awful restaurants but I guess that's the price we pay 
for economic growth ;-).

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Well, I just hope Japan won't have to pay for economic growth with destruction
of its cuisine.  So many Japanese women don't know how to cook at all anymore.
I've become fairly adept at preparing non-Japanese Asian cuisine myself,
I type, chomping on Red Chicken Thai Curry.
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Denny MWC Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Western Culture suck Shit!
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:26:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Cc: 
Bcc: 

I have some questions about the difference between U.S. culture and
western culture.

If Western culture is what  Dwight admires, then , let me say that western
culture is not all that glamorous.

Western culture has this underlying notion of white supremacy .
There are words in English like "Black Sheep, black-mail"

Even Jesus, the son of God is perceived to be white.

Any body who is non-white, after being immersed in western culture will
soon get to despise his own skin colour.

Racism in the States, if you think is serious, you are joking.

Go to other so-called "western" countries like australia and England.

The white pigs there virtually have no respect and tolerance for the black people.or other non-whites.They still think that Africans live on trees.
 
White police pigs can beat up black people on the street without hesitation and
for very minor reasons.

Not to mention that it is the white pigs from Europe who carted off
ship-loads of slaves from Africa . These slaves are lines up like Animals 
head to toe on each deck of the ship with absolutely no beathing
space. Few survive the journey to the states. And once they reach the states, they were auctioned off like merchandises.

The white pigs go with a Bible in one hand and a gun in another to our country
, cheat us of our gold and steal our people away. 
So much for Western culture, western culture suck shit.

I propose that western culture is evil and should be eradicated from this
world; it promotes racial hatred, white supremacy(false white supremacy),
and slavery.

I can cite so many cases of the de-humanising deeds these white
westerners did to the people of Africa, and which is still going
on to some extent in some European countries.

And you, Dwight Joe, be ashamed that you posses this sickness.

Den./
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:22:14 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <67671@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
[lots of China-bashing deleted]

Hate to say this, but if you compare China to the rest of the world,
you'll find China one of the most non-racist countries in the world
(that's including Africa)

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:19:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.135849.25422@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>   Nadja's response to not fulfilling childhood stereotypes.  
>   So who still thinks stereotypes are good?

> In article <1992Oct13.000930.13478@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
> >In article <ki2isB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:

> >>There could, and probably should, be a whole thread on this point.
> >>Is it an old wive's tale that kids who fight back never get picked
> >>on, or is that moderated by how well you do it or how hard you
> >>hit?  What does "do it better" mean in this context?  Did you ever
> >>land a punch?  Did they have any force behind them?

     I guess I did my share of brawling, around about when I was fourteen
or so.  There's some truth to the line, as some kids who picked on me
didn't really want to get in trouble and once they realized taunts were
going to get them into a fight . . .  On the other hand, there are always
many other kids willing to cause you trouble, and some of them couldn't
care less about getting into trouble with the system.  With some kids,
even losing a fight still won me enough respect to cool things off.  With
others, losing gave them a liscense to increase the bullying.

> >Yes, it is an old wive's tale. I was routinely pounded on (although I did
> >permanently deter one bully) because I was visibly of mixed race and 
> >came from a lower socio-economic class than my classmates. I was also
> >noticeably more intelligent. In fact, one of the kids used to pound on me
> >for 'thinking I was smarter than whites', i.e, by getting the top scores
> >on tests.

> >I did get the bullies to leave me alone in junior high and high school by
> >letting my grades slip down.

     What can I say after that?  To hear it saddens and angers me.

							George

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:09:56 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: No more ``sour grapes'' please!!!
Distribution: na
 <92283.220111ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct13.190926.12831@oakhill.sps.mot.com>

In article <1992Oct13.190926.12831@oakhill.sps.mot.com>,
jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) says:
>Hmm.  Why don't those Xinjiang Caucasian men want to "mainstream" too?
>Perhaps they get too "wrapped up" over the "color" of their mates.  Somebody
>needs to tell those guys that true love is colorblind...
>
>He he he.
>
>Jim (sorry, I couldn't resist :-) )

 I am not sure what is the AF/CM and AM/CF marriage ration in Xinjian,
 but the difference shouldn't be much. One thing for sure is that there
 is no social statue gain through such kind of marriage. there is  no GC
 business involved, there is no apparent financial excuse.

 S.sun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 09:50:46 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <Oct.8.13.51.51.1992.1703@soliton.rutgers.edu> ZhiZhong Zhang,
zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu writes:
>I am not sure if it is appropriate to post this here, but I'll give it 
>a try. I am from mainland China and I know a lot of people from mainland
>China and Taiwan. Naturally mainland Chinese and Taiwanese date americans
>when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
>get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
>who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
>here, just my observation. 
>ZZZ
>

Well, I am really sorry to hear that you got turned down for a date.  But
don't get too upset, there are "plenty more fish in the sea."

:-)

Now, for my serious comment:  Here we go again . . . . 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Mr. Baseball - More Japan Bashing?
Originator: gwu@nujoizey
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:53:57 GMT


-
     Has anyone seen the movie "Mr. Baseball."  The story line is about an
aging baseball player who is forced to go to Japan to keep playing.  I just
saw a commercial for it, and wonder if it isn't going to promote more of the
old clumsy oriental geek stereotype.  Yeah, I know, creating a contraversy
about a film increases the box office draw.

     For you ladies out there, Tom Selleck stars, so you may want to see it
anyways.  :-)  (Hey, if I went to see Selleck's first movie because of model
Paulina Porzikova (sp.), then . . .)

							George

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:38:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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	> I'd also like to add that what you term "Chinese-cu" is more 
	> accurately termed "Chinese-fe" for "Chinese fuedalism" as pointed 
	> out by M L Hong. Chinese culture encompasses not only language and 
	> attitudes but also art, dance, music, and customs. 

Oooops, forgot about literature too.

	Melinda
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.234250.7240
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Oct12.152132.3291@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
>> ... deleted ...
>>I eventually rose to manager in that company and was once talking to
>>the President. He asked me what we should do about K-san, seeing as he
>>was kind of slow and didn't produce much. (In this guy's case he
>>really was underproductive.) It was true he was slow, but even though
>>he gets no overtime other than extra consideration in bonuses. He
>>wouldn't leave until the job was finished. And he never complained...
>>Well, not in the way an American would. All he'd say is: "Tsukareta!!
>>Mo^ tsukareta!!"  but even then he was smiling. One time he worked all
>>day, all thru that night, all thru the next day until midnight, went
>>home for two hours to take a shower and change clothes, and came back
>>again immediately to finish a job. He took naps right there at the
>>office. This isn't all that uncommon in Japan. I *ordered* him to go
>>home and he wouldn't.  I *pleaded* with him to go home and he
>>wouldn't. I told him we could extend the deadline by a day or two, but
>>he would have no part of it. The job was finished on time with almost
>>no noticeable loss of quality. I was impressed. And he didn't even
>>demand overtime or threaten to quit or anything like that!
>>Incredible.
>
>What happened to K-san after this?  Would he have been fired if
>he had worked for a US company?

K-san was promoted to take my place (and given a little more
responsibility than that even actually) at the time I left. I think
this was done because in my meeting with the president I mentioned
that he was willing to work long hours and that he was quite a
capable worker. His only shortcoming was, as I've said, he was slower
than even his Japanese coworkers. I don't know what would've happened
in the US. Given that overtime pay is supposedly mandatory he probably
would've been fired. I guess mandatory overtime pay does have that
one *advantage* for companies. It forces them to find more productive
workers.

Another thing I wanted to add about Japanese productivity. I often
wondered if the people I worked with wouldn't have been more
productive if they weren't so tired all the time. We got almost no
vacations. We worked overtime without pay all the time, and then we
still had to go to the obligatory weekend get-togethers and work any
Saturday that came in the same week as a national holiday. (So if
Wednesday was a holiday you got to take it off, but you had to make up
for it on Saturday. Puh-leeeeze!)

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
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