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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FALCON SPEED ......
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:48:51 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN (rogeraw@dhhalden.no) wrote:
> 
>  I am now sick of hearing you amiga folks saying that falcon is only 2 times 
> the speed of the ST.

In the high bandwidth modes even the processor intensive stuff is
around 2-2.5 times faster than ST.

> Some speed ex:
> 
> 640 x 400 2 colors: 500% increase over 8MHz STE
> 640 x 480 256 colors: 460% increse over 8MHz STE

These can't be facts if you have non-interlaced moden on both cases as
256-color moded in that case slows Falcon almost 50%.

> 640 x 480 65536 colors interlaced: 360% increase over 8MHz STE

This is an interlaced mode and is around 45% slower than the first
mode you listed - 55% of 500 is not 360, so your calculations fail.

> all tests are against 640 x 400 mono on the STE, which is the fastest mode 
> on that computer....

All STE modes are just about equal in speed because of the design of
the system - there may be some differences in the speed of graphics
(and text) output.

> AND the Falcon is a TRUE 32-Bit machine, with 32-bit ramaccess and all 
> that, the only thing that is lower, is the internal cpu-expansionbus, which 
> is 24-bit. Shame on Atari....

> When it comes to mem-bus, you all say that falcon only has one, while the 
> A1200 has two. As for I know the A1200 will be fitted with 2meg chip-mem as 
> standard, and no fast-mem. As it is a low end machine, how many users will 
> upgrade to more memory ?  If not, you only have one bus to use....

They buy a memory card - they're not limited to the memory one can fit
in motherboard.

> On the Falcon you have no seperation of the memory, and all can be used for 
> sound and graphics, and you have burst mode on the 68030. By the way, the 
> main cpu is not an EC, but a true 68030.

True and true.
	If Falcon had some ram reserved just for the CPU it would be
over twice as ast as it is now in some graphics modes.

> Let us not discuss which computer is the best and fastest. When both have 
> been on the market for a while we will maybe have some software to compare 
> the two computers. 

Okay. Let's compare OS'es first...Amiga OS 3.0 and Tos 4.0... I don't
think you want to continue...:)

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | Those people who tell you not to
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi |   take chances
------------------------| they are all missing on what life is about
This space if for sale  |                        - Metallica
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 19:52:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Nowdays copy protection are mainly based on loading or on the
>word-from-manual. This is easy to crack, you just fint the test and
>remove it. Instead it should be something like in Midwinter, where the
>novella and other extras included gives you information that is needed
>to play the game successfully.

I think the "protection" in most MS-DOS...oops....Windows stuff is
devilishly simple: lots of good documentation, and great upgrade
policies.

Oh yeah. The prices are dirt cheap these days. Every piece of important
software actually sells these days for $130 in the MS-DOS world. Forget
the list prices, MS just sent me a letter that says:

"Upgrade to Excel or Word for just $130".  Throughout the letter, they
talk about what a great product, what a great price, and just send them
$130.

In small print on the order form, they have "just check which competing
product you own here". No proof is necessary. Its a gimmick.

So now along with cheap hardware prices, there's cheap software prices
as well.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Glad to hear! Was Re: I'm Impressed!
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:07:08 GMT

In article <etxansk.721497528@garbod20>, etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
|> 
|>  I've had doubts about the coming low-end AGA-chipset Amiga
|> earlier, and I've been claiming that there's still a chance
|> that Atari will make the Falcon available long before the
|> new Amiga is released.
|> 
|>  According to what I've read today, and it's only been two
|> or three weeks since the last time I read c.s.a.a, the A1200 is
|> released with the new graphics chips in it. The title says it
|> all, I'm impressed! Will this computer be available to customers
|> soon, or is it already? 
|> 
|>  The Falcon may still be better than the A1200, at least it's
|> got the 68030 CPU and a sound chip that with help from the DSP
|> beats PC clown sound cards, Super Nintendo, and of course, the 
|> Amiga four-channel sound chip. But if Commodore have the A1200
|> ready for UK Christmas sales, and if Atari don't release their new 
|> beast quickly, it might give Commodore an edge that's big enough
|> already, without this delay.
|> 
|>  What                          
|>  Anders Skelander

   As I understand it, it's out (the A1200).  As the Falcon being
better than the A1200, let's remember that there are some debatable
points.  AGA graphics are better, the OS most likely is better,
and now I hear rumours (in atari groups) that the Falcon 68030's 
can't do memory burst and has only 16-bit access to RAM. If this
is true, the Falcon will face serious performance problems, besides
facing the one it already has: Video bus contention.

   Add to this what I heard new today:  When the Falcon is doing DMA
(as well as other ATARI computers), the CPU halts.  At least this is
from hdisk.  The Amiga doesn't suffer from this problem.

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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Various political jabs
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:34:33 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:

> 	Except for those who have taken charge of their lives, taught
> 	their childen BOTH the traditional old ways and new ways and otherwise
> 	stopped depending on whitey and did it themselves. I've known
> 	quite a few "native" Americans, poor choice of words, they
> 	SHOULD be called by their tribal names. There is no such thing
> 	as a "native" american as we ALL came from the other continents.

Well, but some were there erlier than others... Don't think everything 
started with that hispanic guy Christobal Colon. Befor him there have 
been several other explorers on the American continent. Chinese, irish, 
fenices, vikings... Not to mention the ones who were there in the first 
place.

1492: Indians discover Columbus.


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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CDTV vs CD-I, Photo CD, etc
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 10:40:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
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>CD-I and CDTV are still solutions in search of a problem, as far as most
>consumers are concerned.

Do you realize last year around this time the proponents of CD-I were busy
telling everyone how several Japanese makers were going to introduce players
this year.

Well, they haven't. And more significantly, the number of titles for CD-I
hasn't really increased.

I wonder if anyone will have the guts to say "next year several Japanese
makers are going to introduce players..."

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: csmith@terapin.com (Colin Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:51:31 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <OA92-901-306p1_E045A83C@piraya.bad.se>,
Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>
> GG> >but this is a fact).  Most of them (even though they have a
> GG> >386sx,486sx,386,
> GG> >486,486DX/2...) barely have enough disk-space (~100MB-200MB) and memory
> GG> >(2MB-4MB) to run/store their SVGA games.  Not to mention OS/2...
> GG>         SVGA games are on the rise, but there's hardly enough of them to
> GG>    fill a 200mb hard drive.
>
>No, but ordinary VGA games are big enough. Average for a PC arcade/adventure
>game seems to be around 10 disks nowdays, considering the amount of speech,
>intros, and intermission sections. I'd like very much to have an A4000(Tower
>if there were one), coupled with the Vortex '486SLC-25 bridgeboard to play PC
>games on. With a TsengLab VGA card, even horizontal scrolling looks OK, if not
>particulary fast.
>
>
>  Regards.
>
>  InterNET/BadNET: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (92:901/603.1)
>          FidoNET: Hogen BBS, 2:203/511.7@fidonet
>   /  /
>  /--/
> /  /B - No Mr. Nice-Guy Anymore...
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>--- Point Manager 3.00 Beta Unreg.
Hi. Do you mean there are 486 bridge boards with 256 color VGA out for the
4000? Did I read this right?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Calling all lurkers!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:56:37 GMT

It has come to my attention that there are several persons who are reading
this group on a regular basis, but who are not posting.  Several of these
folks have sent me email regarding one subject or another, but most have
never posted to .advocacy.  Why not?

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: GOOD Ads
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:13:37 GMT

>In article <1992Nov2.165542.24135@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

[Re Gateway2000 having glossy ads]

>>Nothing like carcinogenic dye in your water table.

Not that I care ,but you might be interested in knowing that those
ads use some sorta environment organic ink.  Read the ad.  (!)

>>Anyway, while I don't consider myself to be a Mac enthusiast, I've always
>>found Apple's ads (both television and print) to be the most effective. 

I think they can be good, too, but for the wrong reasons.  These being
implying falshoods about the ease of use or money value of a Mac and/or
the damn monochrome green monitor they use with EVERY PC in there ads.

This is akin to PC advertizers think the Mac was enough of a threat to
sterotype the Mac badly.  For exmaple, I think it would be effective
(but again, for the wrong reasons) to have a BIG FOOTBALL PLAYER
type guy hunched over on a teeny foot stool, hunched over, plucking away
on a teeny Mac Classic, his BUG fingers hitting two keys at once, with
his eyes all scrunched up tring to read on that teeny 9" monitor built into
the thing.  Now that would not be really accurate either, would it?

>>They
>>don't inundate you with techno-speak and manage to be both professional and
>>cheeky at the same time. The recent promotion concerning Windows was a major
>>coup. 

Oh, it was?
-- 
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"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 seeing crisis (I'm blind!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:43:47 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Thu  5 Nov 92  7:07, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
wrote:

 DD> Oh God, these Amigas just never work, do they?!  Yep, those 
 DD> cheapo Amiga 4000 are so lacking, blah blah blah blah. (re previous
 DD> article
 DD> by NCW re clones and a 'bad' record)

No need to make it bigger than it is.  A simple fluke was what it was. 
Nothing compared to the thousands of bad clones out there.

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From: nyberg@ctron.com (Jason W. Nyberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:47:48 GMT

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

-	2. Close-ups of interesting sections of the motherboard, showing all
-           of the neat custom chips and their relations to annoying, blocking
-           things like the power supply. 
-             (translation: if you have to remove the drive bays to get to
-              all of the custom chips AGAIN, I'm going to be royally pissed.)

Why would you have to "get to" all the custom chips, other than to get a look
at them? (yawn)  Should Commodore put all the drives and the power supply
in a separate box, just so you can oogle the motherboard unhindered? (by
those annoying power supplies!)  If something bugs you like that, just rip it
out and you won't have to worry anymore.

Commodore should start marketing A4000s, encased in solid lucite with all
the parts "exploded" out so that you could see everything inside.  With an
ebony base.   $10,000 a pop.

Are you planning on piggybacking something on the back of the custom chips? :)
-- 
Jason Nyberg                Amiga... The Eagle Talon of Computers
nyberg@ctron.com

"Work is the curse of the drinking class"      W. C. Feilds

Disclaimer: My opinions are just that...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:24:23 GMT

dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

>Buy Final Copy or Pro Write or some other word processor. There are some
>excellent programs out there that use nice fonts, do tables of contents,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>notes and indexes, comply with WB 2.0 style standards and don't cost 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Name one, I want it ;-) ProWrite doesn't fit the bill. I don't think
Excellence or Final Copy does either. Fact is, we don't have anything
that even comes close to the likes of Word for Windows, or the modern
Word Perfect for that matter.

>five bajillion dollars. They deserve our support. Get SoftLogic's 
>PAgestream or Gold Disk's Pro Page, Calc, Draw, etc. These are people 
^^^^^^^^^^^
It ain't a word processor.

>who have stuck it out, kept updating their stuff, made the Amiga look
>good in the face of its competition. They are the ones we should be
>supporting, let WP and their stuffy old management go stuff it.

I agree we should support them (I am), but they have a lot of catching
up to do if they are going to claim their programs are "truly
professional". Note, I'm talking mainly word-processing software here.
-- 

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From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:55:35 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group -- Ariane.Cam.Org
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov5.150149@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be> stud16@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kurt Haenen) writes:

> I've got only one word for you guys (and it isn't Word Pervert !!!) :
>
>
>                      ######
>                        ##      ##  ##
>                        ## ##### ## #
>                        ## ##     ##
>                        ## ####  # ##
>                           ##   ##  ##
>                           #####
>
> Gimme CygnusEd Pro (or even better : EMACS/EPOCH) and TeX/LaTeX and try
> matching that with Word Perfect.  Ok, it isn't as easy to use as the Pervert
> thing, but it's got a lot more power.  By the way : I still think F3 shouldn't
> be used as the help key !!!

   And you think only Amiga have TeX? Almost every plateform known in this
little universe already have a TeX ported to their respective OS.

--
 David Lebel -- david@Ariane.Cam.Org | " Let me hear you
      Ariane Development Group       |   make decisions
 also Computer Science Undergraduate |   Without your television
    at the Universite de Montreal    |   Let me hear you speaking just for me "
       lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA       |       - Martin Gore, Depeche Mode
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:51:17 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Nov5.155141.7047@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>Damn, you people are all over the spelling and grammer stuff...  What am I,
>a dammed english major...  Even so, I cant see a transposed s in the above

If you were an English major, you probably wouldn't screw up.

>sentence....  I really meant geeks, not geek, if thats what youre pointing
>out.  Oh well, it must be that wisconsin thing....

Why, are we, here in Wisconsin, born with better eyes than everyone
else?  It must be so that we can watch our football team crushed, year
after year, in all of its great and glorious detail.

>A fine flame, but a bit pretentious.

You're telling everyone how cool it is to slap womens' asses, and
you're telling ME that I'm pretentious?  Definitely NOT an English major.

>mike seifert, befnubblebrolic garfarblax from centiuron (?)

That's Centurion.  Watch your capitalization.  centurion is a
different planet altogether.

Greg
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:36:55 GMT

ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:

>>	None of this means anything without software.  
>
>   Bingo - you hit the nail right on the head. Without AGA-specific software
>the A1200 and A4000 are essentially pointless efforts. I sincerely hope that
>Commodore has someone out schmoozing up to some major software houses.
>

     Products I can think of off hand which are shipping now with AGA support:

     ADPro & MorphPlus, ImageMaster, ProWrite 3.3, Final Copy II, PageStream,
Cinemorph (?),... probably more.

     Announced, advertised, shipping-RSN products with AGA support:

     PageSetter 3 (so probably GD's Pro* series too), ImageFX, DPAint IV AGA,
Brilliance, Art Expressions, probably lots more.

     Companies who have pledged AGA support in the all-important games
market:

     Psygnosis, Ocean, MicroProse


>>Perhaps we could get a TOP 10 MOST WANTED 
>>SOFTWARE APPS list going [...deleted...]
> 
>   My #1) An AGA/3.0-only paint program that acts snappy.
>   My #2) Imagine with AGA support and optimized for a 68040.
>
>   I know of the rumors that these are coming, but I'll believe it when I see
>it on the shelves.
>

     Don't think either one is on the shelves, but Brilliance was shown at
WOCA (and is now being advertised, and beta testers are raving about it),
and I've _seen_ DPaint AGA, so I imagine neither is too far off.

     The nice thing is that for programs which used the OS to begin with,
adding AGA support is relatively simple.

     Now all I need is to find a better source of income so I can _afford_
an AGA machine :-).


-- 
Don Lloyd                / "No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of \
don@chopin.udel.edu      | another computer is a kludge.  It has nothing to do |
GeNIE: D.LLOYD7          \ with the Intel CPU"  - Jerry Shekhel                /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jaxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jon Hanson)
Subject: *.dms files
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:28:49 GMT

I have a .dms file - I assume it is for an archive to create a bootable disk. Do I
need a de-archiver or is it self-dearchiving ?

Cheers, Jon.


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