From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Monash University
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:13:24 GMT

I am a bit new at this, so I hope that you will bear with me for a while
(and excuse my spelling). 
Also any suggestions on what I should and should not do in news would
be appreciated.

About Spiritualism :-
Not having head a Consciouss OOBE, I cannot say much about it. Being a 
spiritualist however, I have learnt much through going to esoteric lectures
where a spirit entity comes through a medium (channeler if you prefer)
and talks to us about the OTHER side. What follows is based on this source
and you can accept it IFF (ie if and only if) it sits right with you .
	One belief held in spiritualism that should be mentioned here, is
that we are all spirit (funny that) incarnated in a body. Therefor on the 
astral plane, the spirit wears an astral body. On the earth plane the
spirit is incarnated in an earth body. When one experiences and oobe though
the spirit drops the physical body for a little time and uses the astral
body to go around. As the astral body is of a much higher vibration it is
not restricted by physical phenomena such as gravitation etc. However, it
is equally not restricted to the astralplane. ie if in the astral body,
you can travel around on the earth plane, aswell as the astral.


ABOUT OOBE's  :-
It is said, that dreams (in color) are nothing other than unconscious oobe's.
That means that everyone has oobe's but usually will not remember them.
The only way to bring back a complete memory is to "TAKE OFF" in a consciouss
state, and come back the same way. 

: > About how long do your oobe's last?  (1min, 10min, 30min, or longer)  
: 
: Originally one or two minutes, recently up to an hour (or more, it's hard to 
: tell for sure).

It would appear that the "summer land" (where the sun never goes down) is 
not ruled by time, as the earth is. ie time is measured by irregular
events - ie events other than the sun rising every 24 hours.
Hence, judging the time while out of the body can be quite tricky, as
a second in earth time may appear to be a long time while out of the body.
ie the only way to get the earth time of your travel, is to look at the clock
before you leave and when you come back.

:  
: > When you begin the oobe, do you start in the room?  
: > 				or start in a void?  or where? 
: 
: Always in my bed 
:  
: > 	about how far do you travel away from your physical body? (in meters)
: 
: Sometimes I don't completely seperate. At other times I travel many miles
: away. My room is always very normal but the farther away I get, the less
: familiar my surroundings become. The rest of my house, for instance, is never
: familiar. 
: 
If one were to look at the physical body and the astral body, one would find
that there is a silver cord connecting the two. This silver cord can stretch
to infinity and hence there is no limit to how far the astral body can go.
As for colors, the colors on the astral are not restricted to earth colors
so one could find that colors of objects are not the same as they are when 
perceived with the physical eyes.

: > 	do you ever see your physical body?
: 
: Occasionally. Sometimes I see a shadowy representation of it. Sometimes 
: nothing is there. My wife is usually just as I would expect her to be.

This could be a protective mechanism, as looking at ones physical body 
can be quite frightening/shocking. This might happen, as the physical body
looks rather ugly/crude when perceived from astral - or so it is said.
: > 
: > Do you every see someone else during the oobe?  who?
: 
:   At first I never saw people. Then I began to seem them at a distance.  Only
: in my last experience did I meet and talk with anyone. One was a friend from
: work, the others were strangers.  All seemed to be going about their normal
: daily affairs. 
: 
There is probably no limit to the number of people one could see when
astraling. And if the other party is inclined that way you could talk to 
them. SUGGESTION: each one of us has guides and helpers. These are spirits
that have passed over and consequently exist only in astral form ie they
have no physical body to occupy at the time. I think it would be a good 
idea to ask (just send out a thought) one of your higher guides to meet you
on your travels. Arrange a time with them. Meeting ones guides is said to
be a wonderful experience and can probably be used to gain much knowledge.
Don't forget though that they are much like us in terms of personality,
and could be offended if you make DEMANDS of them or treat them in
unrespectful ways. That is not to say that you call them SIR, but you should
not be rude. NOTE: guides are supposed to give off a lot of light ie they
are quite bright and dazzling, and hence can be somewhat frightening.
Don't be frightened ! Just ask plenty of questions to make sure you got the
one whom you invited.


: > I have trouble convincing people that oobe's exist.  I seems that
: > we need some kind of scientific data to prove that they occur.
: > Does anyone have any ideas about how to prove that oobe's occur
: > and that they are not halucinations or dreams?
: 
Here is one idea that I have had.
Controlled experiment:
once you have mastered your TAKE OFF ie you can do it at will and can return
with an intact memory of what has happened, you can try this experiment

get a friend to write down some symbols, numbers, words in a room seperate 
to the one you are in (and have no communication link with). then take off
and use your astral form to go to the room where your friend is. Once there
look at the symbols/figures/whatever he has produced, and memorise them.
Then return to your body, and make a note of what you saw. lastly compare
your drawings/notes with your friends. If notes are compatible, then you 
know you have astralled, as there would have been no other way to
get the info you got.


:   I would like to believe that they are metaphysical in nature, but for now I
: my conclusion is that they are some type of dream.  I intend to try an
: experiment like our card test eventually.  For now I am going through a list
: of experiments to hone my OBEing skills. 
:  
They are indeed a dream, or what has been called a dream.

: > Texas 
: 
: Could you provide some of this info about your own experiences?

NOPE, as I only related information from "higher?!" sources.
: 
: Thanks,
: 

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