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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:28:29 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 637

In this issue:
                         REPUBLICAN CONVENTION
                      Will have to Do Without Me!
                           Queer advertising
                        Finding balance, etc...
                         republican convention
                           Fruit of the Looms
                         I feel so much better.
                              Up In Smoke
                               racism...
                          gay AND BI deadheads
                          march on washington?
                           OREGON: Anti-gay!
                    Articles against discrimination
                     AIDS Quilt Schedule of Events

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Loren Meissner <lmeissne@u.washington.edu>
Subject: REPUBLICAN CONVENTION
Mime-Version: 1.0

Whoever burned an American Flag at the ACT-UP demonstrations needs to
think before they act. This kind of stuff ISN'T going to win the hearts
and minds of the American people and is going to play into he hands of the
Bush campaign strategists who are trying to make GLB's
(Gays,Lesbians,Bi's) the Willie Horton of the 1992 campaign (See TIME
Magazine article on Gays as the Willie Horton of 1992- a few weeks ago)>
So friends, please,please,please, think before you speak. How this stuff
plays in Peoria does make a difference. All of this is just IMHO (in my
humble opinion), so please no flames, I'm just expressing my view. Feel
free to express your view on the net without flame or personal attack. Thanks.

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Date:        Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:38:30 EDT
From: "AAKL000@CATCC.bitnet  Kevin S. Lowery Catonsville"
 <AAKL%CATCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Will have to Do Without Me!

> 	  On the lighter side, I hope to see everyone, EVERYONE!, on the
> 	mall in Washington, DC in October; haven't finished my plans for
> 	the occassion yet, but any helpful info. would be appreciated.
> 	Thanks in advance........ 	"Homosexuality Is"
>
>
> 					Later,
> 					Steven Conlee
> 					CONLEY@MEMSTVX2.MEMST.EDU

Well, Steve, thank you for the invite.  Would love to go, but
unfortunately (that is for the event) I will be in Europe on an
extensive and utterly enjoyable trip on the Orient Express from London
to Venice.  If I get permission and a note from my mommy, can I be
absent?

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:08 EST
From: XXHARK@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU
Subject: Queer advertising

Dan Neveu wrote:

>A friend of mine claims he recently saw a Levis commercial
>featuring two young men (gay couple?). One of them was saying
>something to the effect of "yeah, my father has been very
>accepting of us..." - with his dad shown smiling off in the
>background. Subtle enough, but something most of the strayt
>audience should be able to figure out.

I haven't seen that, but I have seen the TV ads for Levis' new
"loose fitting" style. The ads feature many many *HOT* male
models, in direct contrast to, say, Bugle Boys' blatantly
heterosexist advertising.

Hmm. First the non-discrimination policy, then the Boy Scouts,
now this. Have queer men completely taken over this company?

On another subject, an anonymous sender quoted an article on
Overlooked Opinions:

>So, get over the archaic inhibitors, and get down to
>the business of business: improving profits.

Oh, Jesus, don't get me started on the profit motive...

James Harkins -- XXHARK@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:43:16 -0600
From: Ryon Brame <ryon@support.avalanche.com>
Subject: Finding balance, etc...

Howdy all!

Kevin asked how we find a balance in allocating our energy to all the
worthwhile causes.  I'll tell 'ya - I haven't yet.  I seem to be in a
cycle of over-activism to non-action and back to over-doing it.  I've
been looking for a balance for years without success.

When I'm very political, I'm also very happy, but I easily burn out, so
then I don't want to do anything, which makes me feel very guilty because
there are so many fights out there that need help.

My only advise is: when you can fight, then fight.  When you need to
rest, then rest.  When you can give money, give.  Do what you can and
accept it.

Since I'm currently in my activism stage, let me push a couple of causes.
Take a few minutes to write the Cincinnati City Council and the Alaska
Board of Regents.  You don't need to make eloquent or long speeches, just
mail them a note saying you support including "sexual orientation" in their
discrimination clauses.  Shouldn't take more than a few minutes and
your social conscience will be eased for at least 48 hours.

Here're their addresses:

======================= Alaska Board of Regents ===========================
Regents' Affairs				Eric Forrer(1989-1997)
Julie Chavez, Regents' Affairs Officer		P.O. Box 34383
John Butrovich Building				Juneau, AK 99803
University of Alaska				789-5237msg/789-4146fax/JYEF
Fairbanks, AK 99775-5080
474-7908/474-7570fax/SYBOR

Robert Williams, President (1985-1993)		Sharon D. Gagnon(1991-1999)
P.O.Box 107839					6721 Roundtree Drive
Anchorage, AK 99510				Anchorage, AK 99516
563-2563/563-2557fax/IYRFW			346-2592/346-2592fax/AFSDGI

Morris Thompson, Vice President(1989-1993)	Joseph R. Henri (1991-1999)
c/o Doyon Ltd.				    	9921 Near Point Drive
201 First Avenue				Anchorage, AK 99507
Fairbanks, AK 99701				279-1493/279-4785fax
452-4755/456-6785fax/FYMT

Susan Stitham, Secretary(1987-1995)		Michael P. Kelly(1991-1999)
P.O. Box 80913					Golden Valley Electric Assoc.
Fairbanks, AK 99708				P.O. Box 71249
456-7794(ext. 135)/FYSAS			Fairbanks, AK 99707
						452-1151(ext. 200)/451-5633fax

Mark H. Helmericks, Treasurer(1987-1995)	Tim Lamkin(1991-1993)
c/o/ CES, Inc.					c/o Student Affairs
P.O. Box 12					501B Gruening Bldg.
Prudhoe Bay, AK 99734				University of AK, Fairbanks
659-31/659-3190fax/AYMHH	Fairbanks	Fairbanks, AK 99775
						474-7657msg/474-7900fax

Virginia W. Breeze(1989-1997)			Lew M. Williams, Jr.(1991-1999)
c/o Corporate Communication Strategies		755 Grant Street
101 E. 9th Avenue, Suite 12B			Ketchikan, AK 99901
Anchorage, AK 99501				225-3157/225-1096fax
274-1113/272-5541fax/AYVWB

========================= Cincinnati City Council =========================
    Nick Vehr, opposed, Republican, Anglo in the worst possible way
    Bobbie Sterne, in favor, Charterite, Anglo
    Roxanne Qualls, in favor, Charterite or Democrat, Anglo
    John Mirlisena, undecided, Democrat, Anglo
    David Mann, leaning against, Democrat, Anglo
    Mayor Dwight Tillery, undecided, Charterite or Democrat, African-Amer.
    Peter Strauss, undecided, Democrat, Anglo
    Nell Surber, undecided, unsure of affiliation, Anglo
    Tyrone Yates, in favor, Charterite or Democrat, African-American

    Cincinnati City Hall
    801 Plum Street
    Cincinnati, OH 45202

    Gerald Newfarmer, city manager, Anglo. Newfarmer doesn't vote, but it
can't hurt to let him know how you feel.

===========================================================================

I know it looks like a lot of work, but since we all have computers, it's
a fairly easy task to pump out a form letter and it will cost you less
than $3.00 to mail.  I used to work for the Governor of Colorado, so I
know that these letters have impact.  Please do it!!!!

		Thanks!
				- Ryon

+--------------------+-----------+------------------------------------------+
| Ryon Brame         |   *****   |  Due to financial contraints, the light  |
| ryon@avalanche.com |    ***    |  at the end of the tunnel will be turned |
| Boulder, Colorado  |     *     |  off until further notice.               |
+--------------------+-----------+------------------------------------------+

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:58:31 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: republican convention

i just watched a little bit of it last night. pat buchanan came out and
said that hillary clinton is a radical feminist, and if bill clinton
were elected, he would support radical feminists, gay rights, and
abortion on demand. i imeadiately got up and wrote a check out to
bill clinton with a note telling him that i expected to do just what pat
said he would do. then the gipper came on--i didn't watch too much, it was
sort of making me queasy. later, i talked to my sister who works for a
newspaper, and she tells me that they have seen copies of some of the
speeches. the concensus at her paper is that the republicans are really
out of touch (one of the wosrt things they had to say about clinto/gore
was that they are young and for change, gasp!), and her paper is pretty
conservative, so i think that's a good sign.

paula
info-25@info.umd.edu

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Date: Tuesday, 18 August 92 11:19:28 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Fruit of the Looms

Hi, Gaynetters!
This has nothing to do with gay issues, but has anyone out there seen the
"Fruit of the Loom" commercials that deal with SAmson and DeliLah?  Isn't
the HUNK portraying Samson absolutely gorgeous?!?!?!?  I also like the
"Fruit of the Looms" commercial showing Tarzan and Jane (but not lately),
with the actor portraying Tarzan (micah Grant) a cute tarzan.  There's
also one with Napoleon and Josephine (which isn't as good).  Any comments?
Huh?

Richard
UT Austin

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From: "Mac Phillips"  <MAC@hup.ucla.edu>
Organization: UCLA Honors & Undergraduate Pgms
Date:         18 Aug 92 09:44:54 PST
Subject:      I feel so much better.
X-Pmrqc:      1

Kevin S Lowery writes:
> Thank you for telling me that you smoke.  That sort of solves it all.
> I am sorry.  I just cannot understand why you would continue to do
> something to your body that you know has been studied extensively and
> even the surgeon general posts a warning.  It must be pretty lethal
> if it has that warning on it.  You don't see it on everything.  I
> know that it is a habit for you and for so many other people in the
> community.  I am sorry to see people get involved with that.  But I do
> think that, being involved in psychology as I am, that it is a definite
> possibility that there is something that you feel you have to punish
> yourself for and maybe smoking is the way you do that.

Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  I feel soooo much better.

> I don't like playing psychiatrist,

Then don't.

> but I have seen many people with broken lives/childhoods that act out
> this scenario.  I think that a lot of people in the community have
> problems with chemical dependency/abuse as you have pointed out --
> moreso than the non-lesbigay community.
>
> But as far as the little bit of smoke/little bit of alcohol theory,
> I cannot ascribe to it.  I have some alcohol with diner sometimes and
> to relax if I had a hectic day, but never very much or never liquor.
> And Lord knows I have had enough problems this year to drown myself
> in it several times, but I have chosen not to because it doesn't solve
> anything.

For someone "involved in psychology" Kevin, you suffer from an acute
paucity of information about the disease of alcoholism and
the phenomena of addictions.

> As far as the smoking thing, I run and exercise daily...

Good for you.  So do I.

> and would consider it a detriment more than anything.
> Now, as far as the advertising is concerned, which is why I
> started this posting...

At long last.

> I just cannot see because of the detriments to
> one's health (whether you believe it is or not!) that it is good to
> advertise such products to a community which is known to have a higher
> rate of drug/alcohol/nicotene dependency.  Some people who have no
> conscience would see it a marketing, some would see it as advertising,
> some would see it as a negative factor in the community.

The main idea you've expressed here is that you cannot see.  What is
the difference between marketing and advertising anyway?

> As I stated before, I know that these companies devote thousands of
> dollars to AIDS research and the community in various ways.  Just
> think that it is sad that they purvey their hazardous wares and then
> offer money to fix the problem(s).  Sad.

The last time I read a pack of cigarettes, it didn't mention anything
about getting AIDS.  Is smoking a new way to contract it?

Kevin,
    Smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is legal.  It is the
perogative of every individual to make personal choices about these
matter for themselves.  There.  I said it.  I don't drink or do
drugs, but I think you'd be a really boring date.

As for PM targeting the marketing of caughin nails at our community,
if there's a market, why shouldn't they?  Do we protest the
profligacy of (900), (976) and various and sundry phone sex ads in
our own presses?  Some of us, yes.  But like smoking and drinking,
it's a personal moral dilemma and not subject to any kind of group
concience.

Kevin,
    I'll never send a post angry.  Sorry for for the bite.
Mac Phillips   *    "And her eyes.  Such a lovely shade of violet.
UCLA           *    And such even teeth.  A rare, fair feature even
(310) 206-1694 *    teeth.  Of course she smiled to excess, but she
                    chewed with real distinction."
                                -Kate in "Lion in Winter" 1964

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:13:05 EDT
Subject: Up In Smoke

"What she said:
"'I smoke because I'm hoping for an early death
"'And I need to cling to something.'"
                                   --Morrissey

Love,
Mark in Virginia, 2 years retired from smoking

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: racism...
Distribution: local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:26:59 GMT

Bill Stanford Pincheon-THE SHANGO PROJECT <PINCHEO@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>michael j pastor babbled a lot of racist nonsense which I do not hope
>to see repeated on this network.  The arguments used have been
>around for several centuries and rest more on racist attitudes than
>on historical evidence.

>As far as rap and blues music, these are not only a response to racism
>(or "directly related to only responding to the views of whites", as you so
>eloquently put it), so please stop spouting this racist nonsense and do some
>more studying and thinking.

"Word!"
Pause.
"Word! Word! Word!"

:-)

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
C.E. Koop:"What would you do if you knew the identity of every HIV+ in the USA?"
Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA): "Wipe them off the face of the Earth!"

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: gay AND BI deadheads
Distribution: local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:28:47 GMT

"Susan A. Spencer" <SSPENCER%PUCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu> writes:

>P.S. Anyone out there got any good advice for someone going to their first sex
>party?
Lots of latex and learn how to say "No!" if you feel any kind of untoward
pressure to have sex.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I'll tell you who is to blame, The Japanese are to blame. If they hadn't
 invented the camcorder, none of this would have happened."--Darryl Gates.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: march on washington?
Distribution: local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:38:57 GMT

"Kevin P. Micalizzi" <MICALIZZ%ITHACA.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu> writes:

>I just want to know when the march on washington(for G/L/B rights) will
>be?  I vaguely remember reading something about it on a poster.  I recall
>that it is in the spring of 1993.  could anyone confirm that or give me
>more details?  I want to be sure that EVERYONE knows about it!

EVERYONE *should* know about it already! *snap* (smile!)
The date is SUNDAY APRIL 25 1993. Hopefully, President Clinton and Hillary
will be joining us!! :-)

>ALSO, when is the quilt supposed to be displayed in Washinton?  I know it
>is sometime in October, can someone give me the dates? (I can't afford to
>drive to Washington from Ithaca every weekend looking for it. *smile*)
The Quilt be displayed OCTOBER 9-11 (WEEKEND) 1992.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I'll tell you who is to blame, The Japanese are to blame. If they hadn't
 invented the camcorder, none of this would have happened."--Darryl Gates.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: OREGON: Anti-gay!
Distribution: local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:48:10 GMT

"MSUVX2::CONLEY" <CONLEY%MSUVX2.decnet@memstvx1.memst.edu> writes:

>	  Just read the Sunday paper finding out that a "conservative
>	political group has forced a referendum on the strongest
>	anti-homosexual measure ever considered by a state."
>	"The proposal, which would classify homosexuality as
>	'abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse' and allow
>	discrimination against homosexuals in Oregon,..."
Well, yes, it's about TIME the work of the OCA starts to get mainstreamn
coverage! [This was on the front page of the SUNDAY NEW YORK TIMES].
Now let's see if we get support from other people to combat these bigots.
I read in QW that Rosanne and Tom Arnold are developing a TV ad written by
Bill Cosby and directed by GUs Van Sant [so he DOES have a soul after all?]
to run in Colorado and Oregon.

>	Is the Gay and Lesbian Task Force aware and what's being done?
QUITE AWARE, as I wish other people were! I was horrified this Sunday when
we were giving away tickets on our radio show, people had to answer the
question, "Name one of the two states that have anti-gay statewide ballot
initiatives up for votes in November?" We got 2 calls! Then we gave the hint
that they were in the mid-West and some people started guessing Utah, Washington
 or California.

*sigh*


There is tons of information on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/
directory, under anti-oca and anti-cfv and starting with CO-* and OR-*.
--
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I'll tell you who is to blame, The Japanese are to blame. If they hadn't
 invented the camcorder, none of this would have happened."--Darryl Gates.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Articles against discrimination
Distribution: local
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:52:30 GMT

Ryon Brame <ryon@support.avalanche.com> writes:

>Jaime-

>Sorry this message is so long.  It's two articles I wrote for a
>local paper in response to a Colorado for Family Values article.
>CFV is a bigoted group of fundamentalists from Colorado Springs
>who want to amend the states constitution to bar the state and
>local governments from including "sexual orientation" in their
>discrimination clauses.  CFV seems to be getting its backing
>from the Traditional Values coalition, which is also backing
>the Oregon group (similar to CFV), and, I suspect, the jerks up
>in Alaska.  Hope there's some info in here that you can use.
>Feel free to reproduce it, if you want.  Good luck!

I have saved the articles and will make them available in the QRD in the
rights directoiry...

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 92 of the 400 richest Americans *inherited* their wealth. Source: _Details_.

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Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 92 12:27 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: AIDS Quilt Schedule of Events

Since someone was asking about the International Display of the NAMES Project
AIDS Memorial Quilt, thought I would pass along a schedule of events that
was sent to be after I registered to be a volunteer for the event (planning to
be a quilt monitor on Saturday, October 10th).



*******************SCHEDULE OF EVENTS (as of 4/15/92)************************

Friday, October 9

     10:00 a.m.     Opening Ceremonies
      6:00 p.m.     Quilt closes for the day
      6:30 p.m.     Friends of the Quilt Dinner (National Building Museum)


Saturday, October 10

     10:00 a.m.     Quilt opens for the day
      2:00 p.m.     Reunions of the Quilt
      6:00 p.m.     Quilt closes for the day
      6:30 p.m.     Candlelight March begins


Sunday, October 11

     10:00 a.m.     Quilt opens for the day
      4:00 p.m.     Closing Ceremonies


As soon as I get more current info I will be sure to post it to the Net.
Hope to see a bunch of you there!!!


Best,
Ron Biduk

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