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In rec.skiing, judith@super.org (Judith D. Schlesinger) writes:

> I've never heard of anyone truly succeeding with the therapy/brace 
> approach.

 Well, since I'm not done skiing yet I guess I'll have to wait a few
 years before I'll know if I've been *truly* successful :-) I blew
 my knee 7 years ago. Since then I've skied in a brace. I've also
 "upped the volume" of my skiing, er, dramatically. 

 Maybe one day I'll have the surgery. For now, I'll stick with my 
 brace.

 ..glen "bionic knee"

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:27:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: SNOWBOARDING --> rec.sport.snowboarding exists!
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, mueller@delta.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:

>  Wake up, guys, there already is rec.sport.snowboarding out there. Ask
>  your local net server to add this group if you don't have it. 

 Sigh. This group was never "properly" created and as such does not
 officially exist...although due to the wonders of USENET rogue groups
 such as this one do seem to infest several systems. In any event,
 you'd probably be better off by *not* asking your local server to
 add the group.

 For the "official" list of newsgroups see news.lists, news.groups, 
 news.announce.*, news.answers.....it's posted all over the place.

 ..glen

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: joanr@col.hp.com (Joan Paranka)
Subject: Snowmobiles on 10th Mtn Trail
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:07:25 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

The following article was in the Denver Post on Tuesday, the 25th.  I 
encourage anyone who wants to protect this delightful backcountry ski terrain 
to write a letter to the Forest Service.

"Hikers, skiers, and snowshoers who use multiple-use winter trails might want
to voice their views about the proposed expansion of the number of
snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles allowed in the popular 10th Mountain
Trail/Hut System.  The U.S. Forest Service is collecting public comments from
commercial outfitters and guides who want to renew or expand permits for
snowmobiles, snowcats and other machines on the 10th Mountain Trail.  One
snowmobile guide has asked to expand its allowed number of snowmobile-use
days from 7,000 to 12,960, and to expand its ATV permit from 550 to 950.  To
express your opinion, write to Beth Boyst, P.O. Box 19, Minturn 81645.
Comments must be postmarked before Sept. 11."
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:58:34 GMT

In article <2AA6558E.4446@deneva.sdd.trw.com> shla@spf.trw.com
(Sheila Wallace) writes:
>I ask forgiveness of the rec.skiing.gods, and for my penance I will say
>100 'Ski Vails' and 100 'Avoid Altas'.  Or better yet, maybe we should
>start a new campaign -- Ski Ohio!

Three lines: not bad, not bad.  Funny, too!
I don't believe in net.gods.  I'm not a net.god.  That's why I started the
Self-Moderation Project.  Too bad it didn't work 8^).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rrygg@cwis.unomaha.edu (john david rygg)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:55:01 GMT




	I think you are ritht keystone does win at least for me
I am thinking of skiing in keystone jan '93 this year ,but I am just a poor
ski bum (collage student) could you post some info on saving some $$$ at
keystone and some good places to stay

					"KAMIKASI " John
		
p.s. sorry about the blank post last week
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com ( John Salmi )
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:54:09 GMT
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Denver

In article <640@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>
>Yep, Keystone opens first almost every year.  The secret is out.  The
>other secret is that it is also the best skiing in CO too.  Every Ski
>The Summit season pass holder knows that Go Devil is the most radical
>run in CO.  And that Packsaddle Bowl - talk about a vast wide open
>expanse - reminds me of Europe!  But the real icing on the cake is the
>Village, apres ski takes on a whole new meaning - it takes hours to
>see it all.  And everybody knows how fun it is to party with a bunch
>of drunk Texas ranchers still in ski boots three hours after the last
>lift.  There are a few drawbacks though.  Don't try the Outback, you
>could get lost back there and some of the slopes they don't even groom -
>can you believe that?  Don't even think of going back there in a storm,
>its just a complete whiteout with all the snow.  Leave it for the fools.
>

ok.  so call me a fool.  i like getting lost.  esp. while it's snowing.  all
the `sane' skiers are sitting around in the lodge waiting for the snow to
stop.

heh.

cheers,

	-john (the fool)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fineman@markov.arc.nasa.gov (Charles Fineman)
Subject: Re: EL NINO???
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:06:27 GMT

On 25 Aug 92 10:05:00 GMT, john.durso@betabbs.newton.ma.us (John Durso) said:

>-> My understanding is that the El Nino is a yearly phenomenon. I'm
>-> curious if the system has broken up or if it will affect weather
>-> patterns again this winter.

>I did a  project on El Nino when I was in college.  El Nino is not a
>yearly phenomenon.  It occurs on avg every 4 years.  I beleive there is
>one going  on this year.  It affects  the atmospheric and oceanic
>systems all over the world.  The one  in '84 I beleive was extremely
>severe.

>John
>                                                      

I wrote the original article and I wish I had read it more carefully
now. I know that El Nino is not yearly in the sense that it occurs
every year, I meant that "I understand it generally runs it's course in
one year."

	Trying desperately to save face,

		C.B.


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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:32:30 GMT
	<2A9ABFFD.5BB7@deneva.sdd.trw.com>
	<LAUNCE.92Aug26085334@apollo.med.utah.edu>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 08:53:34 GMT, launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) said:

launce> (Sheila Wallace) writes:
   >Why would you have to 'settle' for Park City, when Alta is
   >only 45 minutes away?  I stayed in Park City last year during
   >March 7-14, and the snow was much...]

launce> NO NO NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

A whole bunch of whining to keep people away from Little Cottonwood deleted...

launce> Plus the food is much better in Park City.
  
Never eaten at the Cliff Lodge, huh?  Depends on your taste, too...

launce> Well you should have.  Try it, you'll like it. Better yet, ski
launce> Colorado, preferably Vail.

  > Sheila
  > Sheila Wallace		(shla@spf.trw.com)
  > TRW, One Space Park, R2/2162, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
launce>                     
launce> damn californicators

launce> | _, launce gouw * internet: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
launce> |(_) medical center * department of human genetics * expat californian heh heh 
launce> ___) we apologise for the previous opinions. those responsible have been sacked

*yawn*

C'mon, gang, this just isn't all that funny anymore.  As if the miniscule
number of people reading this newsgroup have any effect whatsoever on the
volume of skier traffic at any major ski resort.  There are likely more skiers
on the smallest Iowa ski hill on a slow day than readers of this group!  Maybe
I'm just hungry 'cause I missed breakfast, or maybe the newly whitened peaks of
the back range have me a bit worked up, but this all seems a bit silly...
--
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Steaming breath, glimpses of snow...                               ISSC Boulder
From: mueller@delta.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Angel Fire (was RE: Wolf Creek & Crested Butte (Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)))
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:25:46 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <1SEP92.09481295@enh.nist.gov>, hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
> In a previous article, joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) wrote:
> >In my earlier post, I was mistaken...I did mean Wolf Creek, not Bear Creek.
> >Does anyone know about this area?  Good for Beg/Int?  I am a fairly new skier
> >(Twice in two years, but love it!!) and had a blast at Angel Fire, almost got
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ***********
>  Yeah, lots of experience--a real fanatic.
> ***********

Hey, no flames, we all got started once upon the time. And since nobody seems
to have been to Angel Fire but everybody knows something about it, maybe I can
add a little bit of my experience when I *was* in Angel Fire:

They have lots of slow, old, useless lifts, most of them almost horizontal,
therefore, the small vertical drop. Their beginner runs can be hard work
since you need to use your polls as acceleration devices. Their intermediates
are crowded with families, beginners, and some bored know-it-alls who just
ski straight down without any turns.

They do have expert slopes, so they claim, but (imho) they may just qualify
as intermediates in other resorts except that they have moguls! At least when
I went there after skiing for some days in Taos, I just wanted to enjoy some
snowboarding (not allowed in Taos). I spent the whole time at their outermost
lift, the only "real" lift with somewhat "real" slopes. And even though I am
not a boardhead, I found the expert slopes quite easy.

I think Angel Fire is a nice beginners resort which sometimes doesn't receive
enough snow (even when nearby places like Santa Fe are drowned by snow masses).
But I will never go back there, no even for snowboarding. (Santa Fe would be
my next choice in the area.)

> >up the nerve to try a Black Diamond, but wimped out at the last second.  :-(
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Didn't Momma teach you any common sense? If you're lucky, the Angel Fire grossly

[... More stupidity gone to /dev/null.]

> >-- 
> >|* Austin, TX 78705 
> 
>     This does nothing good for the reputation of TX skiers. From previous
> trips to Taos/Santa Fe I have concluded that most are Scuds, i.e.,
> pipe-bombs on skis--no control, but deadly when they connect with you.
> 
> Jeff Hudgens

Does arrogance come with the west-coast climate? :-) No, flame, no, no...

Frank
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Re: WHATS NEW FOR 92 AT COLORADO SKI AREAS - EDITION 2
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:31:20 GMT

>>With Killington opening in six or seven weeks :-)
>
>
>Bzzzzzzzt, Wrong...
>
>Over the last 8 years the average opening date for Killington
>has been Nov. 1, Loveland's (in CO) has been Oct. 25th, and
>the weener is Keystone (in CO) with an average opening date
>of Oct. 21st.  ( Data provided to me by the Colorado Skier)
>
This gets into a definitional issue unfortunately.  Killington is almost
always the first to open.  Note (unfortunately) that I did not say the first
to stay open.  Dear Killington blows snow up top at the first cold snap in
October and is mostly skiing for a day or two around the 15th.  Then the
weather turns normal for the seaon (surprise, surprise :-( ) and then they
have to close again (hard to ride out 55 degrees on rain on 0-12 base :-) ).
The point is that Killington is still the first to open.

-Tom
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:20:58 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I will be taking my wife and 9 yr old to Tahoe this December for a 
vacation, and I need some help.

We are all beginner skiers and need suggestions regarding the best place
to get private lessons and after the lessons, what areas to ski.

Also, what other winter type activities are there in the area,
such as sleding, snowmobiling, sleighs, etc.

Tnx,
Sam
From: john.durso@betabbs.newton.ma.us (John Durso) 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: EL NINO???
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Beta BBS -=- Newton MA -=- (617)244-7053
Reply-To: john.durso@betabbs.newton.ma.us (John Durso) 

CF>>-> My understanding is that the El Nino is a yearly phenomenon. I'm
  >>-> curious if the system has broken up or if it will affect weather
  >>-> patterns again this winter.

CF>>I did a  project on El Nino when I was in college.  El Nino is not a
  >>yearly phenomenon.  It occurs on avg every 4 years.  I beleive there is
  >>one going  on this year.  It affects  the atmospheric and oceanic
  >>systems all over the world.  The one  in '84 I beleive was extremely
  >>severe.

CF>>John
  >>

CF>I wrote the original article and I wish I had read it more carefully
  >now. I know that El Nino is not yearly in the sense that it occurs
  >every year, I meant that "I understand it generally runs it's course in
  >one year."

CF>        Trying desperately to save face,

OK, will give it to ya.  Face saved.

John
                                                                            
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.035501.27942@news.unomaha.edu> rrygg@cwis.unomaha.edu (john david rygg) writes:
>
>
>
>	I think you are ritht keystone does win at least for me
>I am thinking of skiing in keystone jan '93 this year ,but I am just a poor
>ski bum (collage student) could you post some info on saving some $$$ at
>keystone and some good places to stay
>
>					"KAMIKASI " John
>

Keystone is a tourist trap, and you won't find any place cheap to 
stay there unless you have friends, or want to live in your 
car.  

You might take a look at Breckenridge, or Winter Park.  Both have 
AYH youth hostels.  About two years ago, before moving to
Colorado, I spent Spring break (1 week, 7 days of skiing) 
skiing at Winter Park, and staying at the Winter Park AYH hostel.  Lodging was 
~$70 for the week, meals ~35 (Shop at Safeway and cook it 
yourself).  Lift tickets were ~$25/day. Not including wax, souvineers, 
or the Pizza dinner we had on the way in, the whole mess was < $250, 
plus ~$40 for an airport shuttle and a frequent flier plane ticket....

This was about 2 years ago, so it should be more expensive now.  
Also, you will probably need reservations by January, and 
you may need to become an AYH member.

There are cheap places to stay in Dillon / Fresco, and there is a free 
shuttle to the Summit county ski areas.

-- 
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From: karim@ecst.csuchico.edu (Karim B. Sanjabi)
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING --> rec.sport.snowboarding exists!
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 17:57:13 GMT

In article <10573@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>Wake up, guys, there already is rec.sport.snowboarding out there. Ask
>your local net server to add this group if you don't have it. I think
>it surely makes sense to speparate some discussions, such as "what
>board is best for boardheads". Most skiiers do not snowboard. (And
>most snowboarders do not ski anymore. I will probably start some
>religious flame with these statements:-) And equipment is quite different.
>But the discussion about resort is truely something skiiers and boarders
>have in common.
>
>Frank
>mueller@cs.fsu.edu

I was posting on this group for a while and somebody told me it was a bogus
group.  It was (at the time) some spin off of rec.arts.sewing or something.
I would check to make sure that this group exists first.

  KARIM

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: Good Places to Ski this Year
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:24:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


I suggest the Banff area in Alberta instead of British Colombia
simply because Banff has 5 ski hills in close proximity to one
another. They are Lake Louise, Sunshine, Nakiska, Fortress, and
Norquay. You could take in a different one every day. In B.C.,
you'll end up at one hill all week.

Then again, why am I suggesting this? The last thing I want is
more bodies on "my" hills.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOW IN COLORADO
From: grspangler@ualr.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <10501@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
> The mountains were spectacular with a light dusting of white, especially 
> when we drove south over Red Mountain Pass.  BTW, we noticed a small 
> memorial to the snow-plow drivers who died in the storm last year; it is 
> just after the snowshed (heading south from Ouray) before the hairpin 
> turn.  Saw it too late to stop and pay our respects to those who died to 
> keep the mountains open in the winter, but thought some of you might want 
> to know about it (so you can be prepared to stop) after seeing the story 
> posted here last winter. 

i missed it.  what's the story, briefly???

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From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Re: Attention North East!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:45:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.081120.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>Does anyone know when the season starts for any of the following areas?
>
> - Jay Peak, Vermont
> - Killington, Vermont
> - Sunday River, Maine

Well if you are interested in the earliest season, Killington will be 
the first to open (~October 15) but they will then close again due to
warmer temperatures.

Killington should be open for the season by early November.  Jay and Sunday
River usually don't open until mid-November.  Particularly over the past
two years, Jay has had more terrain open early in the season (i.e., through
Thanksgiving) than Killington has had.  Jay is in a much better snow belt
and being further north doesn't hurt them either.  Sunday River mostly
shoots for a mid-November opening.  It all depends on the season on which
area will have the most interesting skiing early in the season.

But if you are going to get a house, I would think that you would want
to consider what remainder of the season will be like.  Due to crowds and
the people that Killington attracts, I avoid Killington from Thanksgiving
through mid-March on weekends (not the case with weekdays).

-Tom
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From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:09:50 GMT
 <1992Aug31.164246.2529@progress.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Adam

You wrote, "I currently ride an Asym Air with Plates
and Raicle (sp) Snowboarders and I am happy but this WILL be my last
Burton
as I think their "new" boards are just another attempt to lock people
into
their stuff. "  

How are those Raichle Boots?  I found myself a cool store who has
backordered last year's bindings and so I got myself a pair, but I have
yet to figure out what boot to get.  The Megaflex gets mixed reviews
and I know the Top Rat is great, but I think I want a boot with a
Vibram sole for Mountaineering or Randonee skiing and these boots might
do doubletime.  I havent seen the new Nordica or Vendramini boots but
they look good.  I think I might go with the Raichle or the Nordica
because of their experience.  Please tell me what you think about your
Raichles.

arigato,
Gen.kanai@Dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: National Ski Association
Keywords: savings? scam?
Reply-To: dlb@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:22:57 GMT

In article <dogar.714687689@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
|> 
|> The September issue of *Skiing* magazine has an ad for 
|> "The Nation's #1 Skier Card." They claim that with a
|> membership in the National Ski Association and a
|> National Skier Discount Card,  one can get up to
|> $15 off daily lift tickets and up to 50% off lodging
|> plus other discounts. Does anyone have one of these?
|> Is it of any use? or is it a waste?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> -hd

Oops!  Somebody just let me know that I replied to this thinking it
was a query about the SkiAmericard, which IS reasonably worthwhile.

I also looked into this National Skier Discount Card at that time.
It's a waste of money.  I guess they chose a name hoping that others
will make the same mistake I just did.

Sorry for the mispost.

-- 

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From: crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 01:10:05 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep2.155701.15518@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>rec.skiing. I'm hoping to maybe see if I can
>start a rec.snowboard this 92/93 season. I
>tried before but it was at the wrong time!!!!!!
>Anybody out there with me on this idea?????????

I am a die-hard snowboarder.  So much so that I've completely given up
skiing.  Yet I find the idea of rec.snowboarding compleatly bogus.  ALL
of the information that I want as a snowboarder is common to the
information needs of skiers, except for the resorts that do/don't allow
boards, and that just isn't a significant enough reason to make a
separate group.

Go ahead and shread.  Love your chosen sport.  But stop trying to
segregate us from the skiers.

Crispin
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