HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN VE TOZ PEMBE DUNYA
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:23:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <Dec.26.02.12.07.1992.9264@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
|In article <1992Dec26054004.AA58959@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|
|> Necmettin Erbakan
|>  Cumhuriyet, 25/10/1991 : 
|> 
|>    ``Uydu degil, lider ulke; montaj degil hakiki sanayilesme; bati
|>      kulupculugu degil, Islami butunlesme; Avrupa para birimi degil, Islam
|>      dinari; 12 AT ulkesi degil, 86 Islam memleketi; iskence ve zulum degil,
|>      mutluluk ve saadet; esaret degil, gercek ozgurluk.''
|
|
|It looks like there are even more questions that can be asked of
|Erbakan. Islamic Banking seems to be only the tip of the 
|iceberg.
|
|Since no one on the net either knows or is willing to explain
|what his ideas are it seems the best thing is to get it from 
|himself.
|
|I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to know a lot
|things about his 'platform', if it exists.
|
|How about gathering together all the specific questions that we
|want answered and sending him an open letter; one copy to the
|net, one copy to every major newspaper in Turkey, one copy
|to TRT and of course the original to Mr. Erbakan.
|

It is very good idea. 

|
|Does anyone have his address ?

I think it is enough to say "Prof.Dr.N.Erbakan TBMM Ankara"
Then he could receive the letter in any way.

|
|Will anyone volunteer to do it ?
|-- 
|
|	mark	
|
|   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
|   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: Bir mani (folk song)
Keywords: Biyik
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.082308.1940@news.columbia.edu>,
ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.151507.23598@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no
(Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec20.115305.10338@news.columbia.edu>,
> >ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren) writes:
> >> 
> >> Asagidaki mani Kirim Tatar lehcesindedir. Biyik ile ilgili
atismalarda
> >bizim de tuzumuz olsun.
> >> 
> >> Kaya kayaga bakar, kayadan seller akar.
> >> Sirma miyik turganda, chort sakalga kim karar?
> >	Turkce'si:
> >	Kaya kayaya bakar, kyadan seller akar.
> >	Sirma biyik dururken, kose sakala (tuysuze) kim bakar/(karar
kilar)?
> >
> >	Bu dogru cevirimi acaba?
> 
> Bu maninin Anadolu'da soylenen sekli:
> 	Kale kaleye bakar, kaleden kanlar akar
> 	Delikanli dururken ihtiyara kim bakar.

	Cok sagol, bu ceviri de tam anonim butun manilerdeki gibi,
	idda etmiyorum benimkinin dogrulugunu, Mark (Hubey)'in de
	altini cizdigi gibi 'chort'  kisa kesilmis anlamda.
	Boylece manideki ikinci satir soylede olabilrmi?

	Sirma biyik dururken, sakalsiza kim bakar.
	
	Sirma biyik=delikanli analminda cogu kez, haklisiniz.

Selam Getirmisem
Suleyman

> Sizin cevirinizdeki "kose sakal" kismi zannedersem yanlis. Cunku kose
olan bir kisinin sakali olmasa gerek. "Chort" kelimesinin ne manaya
geldigini tam olarak ben de bilmiyorum. Kirim Tatarca'sinin yapilmis bir
sozlugu bildigim kadari ile yok. Bu yuzden s> ize tam olarak bir
aciklama yapamiyorum. Fakat cumlenin gelisinden cikan mana bence "kIr
(grey)" olmasi gerekir. Cunku "sirma" kelimesi biyigi tanimliyor ve
mecazi olarak gencligi ifade ediyor. Buna gore "chort" kelimesi de
ihtiyarligi ifade etmesi g

	"sirma" Azericede "duz, narin, genc kil/sac" anlaminda
	Bir cok Azeri manilerinde de 
	"sirma telli ko"rpe balam"  ve 
	"kara telli akca balam" cok gecer.

> 
Selam Getirmisem
Suleyman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> >
> >Selam getirmisem
> >Suleyman
> 
> Selamini almisem
> Bilmukabele edirem
> Nermin
> 
> >> Kaynak; Mustacip Ulkusal, DOBRUCA VE TURKLER. 2ci baski, Ankara:
1987.
> 
> 
> >-- 
> >	"Too many small smarmy monks around, I love them, however."
> >       		                                   Ishak Shalikom
> 
> 

-- 
	"Too many small smarmy monks around, I love them, however."
       		                                   Ishak Shalikom
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ISLAMi HAREKETiN TEROR YONU
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:42:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Dec23065408.AA21117@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:

| Islam baska, Islamci hareket baskadir. Turkiye'de yorumlandigi sekliyle
| kisisel olan, toplumsal geleneklere yerlesmis ve Turk toplumunun kultur
| yapisi icinde yorumlanmis Islam dini, Islamci hareketle birlikte devrimsel bir
| nitelik kazanmaya baslamistir. Son yillarda Iran ve Suudi Arabistan'in
| destegiyle guclenen ve propaganda calismalarini surduren Islamci hareket,
| propoganda asamasindadir ve teror eylemleriyle, suikastlerle kendini
| gostermeye baslamistir. Bu gidisin 85%'ini ilimli, kisisel muslumanlarin 
| olusturdugu Turk toplumunda calkantilara yol acacagi acikca belli 
| olmaktadir.
|
KIVIRMAAAA!
$imdi Islam ba$ka Islamci ba$ka ayaklarina yatma Mr.Kaya. Daha gecen gun
Islamci=Islam oldugunu ve Islamcilarin ba$inin
Muhammed (SAV) oldugunu sen soylemedin mi? Biz de rule-based sistemle
bunu bir guzel geli$tirdik ve mantigindaki sacmaliklari cikardik. O
yaziyi tekrar gondereyimmi? Zira oradaki cok onemli sorulara hala cevap
gelmedi. Benim e-mailime ozel de yazabilirsin. 

Beytullah


|saygilarimla
|------------
|kaya
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Excerpts from Turkish Papers
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:36:44 GMT
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <9212220127.AA23698@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh) writes:

>     TURKISH FLAG IN SOMALIA
>     12/19/92, HURRIYET--After staying two nights in Nairobi,
> the Turkish military unit bid farewell to the Turkish
> military plane and went to Somalia on an American plane. The
> unit entered Mogadishu with the our star-and-crescent flag.
> The Somalian people, after seeing our flag, started shouting
> "Turkey, Turkey" and expressed their love.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Evet tam Hurriyet ve Gunaydin/Tan tipi bir
	patriyotik uydurma, ne kadar komik degilmi?

> 
>     WAR WARNING AGAINST IRAQ
>     12/19/92, HURRIYET--The sabotages to the Turkish trucks
> carrying humanitarian aid to the Kurds by the Saddam forces
> has been the last straw. A second "hammer" operation is in
> the agenda.
>     A stern scolding to Baghdad: Attacks against the Turkish
> trucks has caused hours with tension in Ankara. The Iraqi
> ambassador in Ankara Tikriti has been called to the
> [Turkish] foreign ministry and warned with a stern language.
>     Critical meetings: At the [Turkish] Foreign Ministry,
> National Intelligence Organization, Office of the Chief-of-
> Staff, and foreign ministry officials met. The
> representatives of England, the US, and France, which make
> up the "poised hammer" forces, had an important meeting with
> the Turkish officials.

	Bilen var mi acabi kamyonlara Turkiye'deki cekic gucun
	bombalari yerlestirdigini? Bunu birtakim emin kaynaklar
	idda ediyor. Maksat ise cekic gucun Turkiye'de kalmasina
	devamin gerektigini gostermek. Bakalim bu kadar acik sahne
	oyunlarina TC-BMM ne kadar goz yumacak. Boylece gercek
	USA gudumunde olan Turkiye, 'yanke babaya' hizmetlerini
	sunmaya devam ederek ingiliz ve fransiz gudumune de
	boyun eyecektir, AT'a binmek icin mi acaba? Yoksa kime
	neden yaranmak icin?


Selam getirmisem
Suleyman
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Bir mani (folk song)
Keywords: Biyik
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:53:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec21.151507.23598@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:

> In article <1992Dec20.115305.10338@news.columbia.edu>,
> ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren) writes:
> > Kaya kayaga bakar, kayadan seller akar.
> > Sirma miyik turganda, chort sakalga kim karar?
> 	Turkce'si:
> 	Kaya kayaya bakar, kyadan seller akar.
> 	Sirma biyik dururken, kose sakala (tuysuze) kim bakar/(karar kilar)?
> 
> 	Bu dogru cevirimi acaba?


"Karar" is "bakar". I think "chort" means direct, or short cut
or in some cases, short, as in chort burun.

It could be a borrowing but I'm not sure.


BTW, the 'g' in kayaga and turganda is really 'gh' and not
yumusak-g.
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin.policy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Paying lip service is not enough.
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:08:34 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
> In article <1992Dec26.074840.20308@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
> 
> >[This is actually just a message to try to see what "Sedar Argic" is. I'm
> > reposting it because I suspect that "Argic" does not "read"
> > news.admin.policy, so I'm posting this to soc.culture.turkish as well.]
> 
> Any sources for this marvelous flight of imagination?

In the Journal of the Armenian Nuclear Medical Association, October, 1992,
on page pi, Harry L. Dinglethwat writes:

"Serdar Argic...may not be reading news.admin.policy."

Is that a good enough made up source, or am I still a Nazi baby-killer
because I refuse to whittle a turnip into the shape of a thingy? Nonsense,
all of this is nonsense!

> >Random gibberish exploding in the faces of Armenians causes Nazis to post
> >with auto-reply software. Were I a Nazi, I would nuke all Azerbis with sugar
> >and a cherry on top, in line with my role as a whipped-cream using lying
> >revisionist. Tempting AIs into posting is a fruitbat-laden experiment which
> 
> The response of a true intellectual. You must review your comments for
> any of us to take you seriously.

All right, I've reviewed my comments: See if you like this better.

Nazi bootlickers revealed Friday that they never asked anyone for an
Armenian puppet state. "All we wanted was a Punch and Judy show; you must
have misinterpreted." Nuclear war was too serious a topic for the puppet
show, thus leading to much misunderstanding.

Extermination and genocide are a way of life for some people. Deal, shuffle,
or get out of the way.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Subject: Re: Turkish culture -- Orkhon monuments
Reply-To: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.020624.23066@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>In an earlier article I gave the date of the earliest Turkic writings to
>be 3rd century AD.  This is incorrect, they date from 732 AD, written in
>the "runic" Gokturk script.  The script itself is guessed to date from
>7th or 6th century AD by Barthold.  
>
>Sorry for the mistake and thanks to those pointing it out.
>
>regards,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

Just for information:
   There is a Turkic translation  of the SUTRA OF NIRVANA commissiond by one of the rulers of the Northern Ch'i dynasty, the dynasty which between 550 and 577 held sway over present-day Honan. "Sutra" is a text, the contents of which are supposed to drive directly from the preachings of Buddha.
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Bedouins and Cowboys
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:53:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan1.040821.9873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:

> Actually, bedouins and cowboys have some common points , like for example
> their taste for adventure. The bedouins in a few decades established the
> largest empire mankind has ever known. Pioneers of the 7th century, or
> pioneers of the 20th century, we should follow always pioneers.

I'm not sure writing about adventure in this group and preaching
about empires to Turks is such a good idea. Turkic peoples have
created 16 Empires in history. You don't want them to start 
up again, do you :-)..

As far as the largest empire, I've read in places that the largest
Empire was the British, Genghiz Khan's EMpire, that it was Roman
and that it was th Ottoman Empire. Maybe it was the Russian Empire.

I'm not sure if anyone has really measured the areas constituting
these empires. I'd bet on Genghis Khan's as the largest if
not the British.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Announcement of a List on Natural Language Processing In Tur
Date: 28 Dec 1992 12:47:03 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
> From TREARN.BITNET!DOST Mon Dec 28 08:32:12 1992
> Sender: TREARN.BITNET!DOST
> Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 92 12:09:04 +0200
> Reply-To: Turkish Scientists' Discussion Group <DOST@TREARN.BITNET>
> Sender: Turkish Scientists' Discussion Group <DOST@TREARN.BITNET>
> From: Kemal Oflazer <ko@TRBILUN.BITNET>
> Subject:      Announcement of a List on Natural Language Processing In Turkish
>               CORPORA@NORA.HD.UIB.NO, dost@trearn.BITNET, tnng@trmetu.BITNET
>
 Dear Colleagues

 We announce the formation of a mailing / discussion list
 for natural language processing and computational
 linguistics studies on the Turkish language. Detailed
 information follows.

 Kemal Oflazer                     Cem Bozsahin
 Bilkent University                Middle East Technical Univ.
 Computer Engineering Department   Computer Engineering Dept
 Bilkent, ANKARA, 06533 TURKIYE    Ankara, TURKIYE

 e-mail: ko@trbilun.bitnet         bozsahin@trmetu.bitnet
 fax: (90) 4 - 266-4126
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 -------------------------------------------


  Turkish Natural Language Processing Discussion Group


  The purpose of this list is to form a discussion group on natural
  language processing (nlp) studies on the Turkish language. We welcome
  all submissions that are on, or related to, (a) computer-based
  analysis or synthesis of turkish, (b) application of linguistic
  theories to the language, (c) linguistic tools and their applicability,
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  models to turkish (e) announcements of relevant events (seminar, colloquia,
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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: KAYANIN BILGISI
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:23:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <MUCIT.92Dec22154114@slate.cs.rochester.edu> mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:

|
|Tabii ki siz bilirsiniz ama kavgalari e-mail'de yapsaniz da
|o yazilari buraya hatta daha iyisi s.r.i.'a yazsaniz ne iyi olur.

Bulent bey burada kavga etmek isteyen kim? Mr.Kaya'nin ayetleri bilerek
carpitmalari ve daha bircok yalanlari ozel e-mailine defalarca yazmaya
calistik. Ozel e-mailine ula$mak mumkun degil. Kendisi e-mailine
tonlarca yazi geldigini bu yuzden kapattirdigini soyledi. $imdi
soruyorum, benim mail adresime nicin oyle mailler gelmedi? Eger
mevzuulari bilerek carpitirsaniz ve insanlarda hatalarinizi size
bildirmek icin tonlarca yazi gonderirse sonuc budur. 

Lutfen cifte standart uygulamayalim.

Beytullah

|
|BM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: ERBAKAN VE TOZ PEMBE DUNYA
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:40:04 GMT


Necmettin Erbakan
-----------------

 Cumhuriyet, 25/10/1991 : 

   ``Uydu degil, lider ulke; montaj degil hakiki sanayilesme; bati
     kulupculugu degil, Islami butunlesme; Avrupa para birimi degil, Islam
     dinari; 12 AT ulkesi degil, 86 Islam memleketi; iskence ve zulum degil,
     mutluluk ve saadet; esaret degil, gercek ozgurluk.''

 Necmettin Erbakan'in oldukca iyimser olan bu gorusune imrenerek bakmamak
 imkansiz. Cizilen iyimserlik ve toz pembe dunya, Erbakan'in 1980 oncesinde,
 MC hukumetleri zamaninda baslattigi ``AGIR SANAYI HAMLESI''ni hatirlatiyor.
 O devirde temelini attigi ve bir daha da kendilerinden haber alinamayan
 fabrikalari ve onlarin hala duran enkazlarini hatirlatiyor.

saygilarimla
------------
kaya
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From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Fraud and Libel on UseNet
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:15:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.163503.18610@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>I protest the use of UseNet as a sounding off box for the Turkish government
>and further its use to totally misrepresent authors and historians in an
>attempt to re-write the histories of Armenians, Greeks, and anybody that may
>have historical grievances against Turkey.

I am sympathetic to your protest, but what do you propose to /do/ about it?

--
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Mustafa Kemal Pasa'nin (Nejat'in babasinin kimligi...)
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:10:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Dec26.223604.1@nl102.ittpub.nl> ptisu_sa1@nl102.ittpub.nl writes:
>   /*  
>   Mustafa Kemal Pasa, usagi Cemal Granda'ya hitaben, 'Ben de babami
>   tanimiyorum ya...' demisti [1]. Bu sozunun bir yorumu, genc yasta
>   .......................
>   [gerisi Arapcadan Turkceye kotu cevrilmis bir metin. ]
>   */
>   Nejat beyin babasini taniyan var mi?
>
>   Nejat oglum, sen beni taniyor musun?
>
>
>
>   S. Akoglu

  Mustafa Kemal Pasa Turkiye ve tum dunyada
bilinen ve Turk Cumhuriyeti'nin baslica kurucularindandir.  Bunun
otesinde kendisine devlet capinda olaganustu sevgi ve baglilik
gosterileri TR'de gunluk yasamin bir parcasidir.  Bu yuzden kendinizi
veya Nejat Bey'i Mustafa Kemal Pasa`yla es tutmanizi elestiriyorum.

  Amacimiz icten oldugu surece dogruya varmak icin elestirilerde
bulunmak ve gercekleri goz onune sermek gorevimizdir.  Eger
Nejat Bey kaynaklarini iyi secmemisse (ki gorgu taniklarindan
daha iyi kaynak bulamazsiniz) ve olaylari carpitiyorsa (Kaya gibi)
o zaman onun babasiyla ugrasacaginiza nerelerde hata yaptigini
gosterin ki biz de aydinlanalim, yoksa dogru diye bize yanlisi
sattigini gorup buna ses cikarmazsaniz sorumlusunuz.  Yok eger
sadece yazdiklari hosunuza gitmiyorsa o baska.  Belki Nejat'in da
hosuna gitmiyordur.  Ama eger yazdiklari gercekse deve kusu misali
yasami mi yoksa gercekleri gogusleyecek cesarette bir yasam mi
tercihiniz?

  Ote yandan Nejat Bey'in sadece olumsuz yonleri ortaya sermesi
herhalde TR'de M. Kemal'in sadece olumlu yonlerinin ortaya
serilmesine karsi bir tepki olabilir, ayni Kaya'nin Islam'a tepkisi
gibi.  Isin enteresan tarafi Islam'a karsi yazan Kaya ve taraftarlari
sacmaliklarinin ortaya dokulmesiyle bozguna ugrarken Nejat Bey
kuru laflardan baska bir tepki almis degil henuz.  Bu da 
yazdiklarinin dogrulugunu destekler nitelikte.

  Bu arada mubarek uc aylara neredeyse bir haftadir girmis
oldugumuzu tum kardeslere mujdelerim,

  Hamid
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Ak zambaklar ulkesinde - Finljandiya - Who knows the book?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:14:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
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In article <1992Dec30.143046.28235@polaris.utu.fi> opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:

Unfortunately I have never heard of the book and it is no longer used
in education in Turkey.  

The only reference to Finland I remember outside of geography classes
was when learning about our language group, the Ural-Altai.

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: GB2YBSG <GB2YBSG@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: Tanju'ya Ceza
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29746]: music.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:36:04 GMT

FBli Tanju yurda kacak araba sokmaktan hapis ve para cezasina carp-
tirilmis.  Araba ithaline uygulanan gumrugun mantigi tartisilabilir.
Ben sahsen bu kadar yuksek gumruk oranlarininyerli araba ureticileri-
nin tuketiciyi kaziklamasina yaradigini dusunuyorum.

Fakat bu kanunsuz is yapmak icin mazeret degil.  Tanju'ya bu konuda
hic hak vermiyorum.  Madem illaha bir Mersedes daha alacak,  adam gibi
yapsin bu isi pezevenk.  Turkiye'de meshur futbolcunun kanun karsisin-
da ayricalikli olmadigini anlasin.

Saygilarimla,
Murat

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From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Re:Fraud and Libel on UseNet
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:33:54 GMT

 
In article <1992Dec24.163503.18610@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>
>[claim] Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
>[claim] Princeton University.
>[claim] ... more "claims" deleted
>
>Let's just take on on this list, and read what he has to say on this subject:
 
      let's look at it..  
 
>
>"...the terrible holocaust of 1915, when a million and a half Armenians
> perished..." 
 
   is this the way you 'quote' from the books, Mr. Davidian..
 
 I may 'quote' the same sentence in Mr.Davidian's way...
 
  "....the terrible holocaust of 1915, when an unknown number of Turks 
   perished." 
  
    how did you like it..
    
  In your quotation:
  
   where is the "according to some estimates"?
   where is the " up to"?
   where is the "as well as an unknown number of Turks"?
  
  new skill in lying?
 
   armenians killed turks !!! ooo no,.. B.Lewis must be kidding..
 
  
>
>DIRECTLY FROM _The Emergence of Modern Turkey_, Bernard Lewis, 1961, page 350
>   I
    I
    I
    l___________>>>>> but, via david davidian..
 
 
    it means something is wrong as usual...
 
 
 
>-- 
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> | "We want to return to our homes, we 
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  don't want Kurdistan to be an Armenia." 
>P.O. Box 382761                      |  -Iraqi Kurdish Leader Jalal Talabani
>Cambridge, MA 02238                  |   April 24, 1991 
 
 
 
 ismet 
 
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