From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:00:02 GMT


In article <vinch.728110571@vincent1.iastate.edu>, vinch@iastate.edu (Vinata) writes...
>In <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> 
>>In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
>>writes:
>>> 
>>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)
> 
> 
>>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.
> 
>>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.
> 
>>P.S.  According to my understanding "Raja" means "King" in Indonesian.
>>      Correct me if I am wrong.
> 
>**flame on**
> 
>What the hell is this????
> 
>Damn, I hate the chinese guy! I am also a chinese, but I am proudly say
>that I am Indonesian, because I was born there!! Nothing wrong with saying 
>I am chinese. It's like saying I am Batak, I am Sundanese, etc. But, remember you were born in Indonesia, and raised there, breath Indonesia's air. What's wrong being called an Indonesian? I am proud of it!!!
>This chinese person really ruin and spoil the image of chinese-indonesian!!
> 
>What so great about being a chinese, anyway???
> 
>**flame off** 
> 
> 
> 
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I feel it is important to clarify whole issue once again.

There was a guy, "Raja", posted some articles on soc.culture.taiwan criticizing
Taiwanese "show-off" wealth to mainland Chinese and some non-sense remarks that
have upset some Taiwanese who read soc.culture.taiwan. In the end, a netter 
responded that he felt embarrassed "Raja" is a Chinese. "Raja" responded "HE 
IS A CHINESE". The whole debates did not involve in "Raja's" denial of being 
an "Indonesian". Frankly, no one knows where "Raja" came from because "Raja" 
did not identify himself at all.

Then Mr. Iunn, the original poster, started to tell his experience about 
meeting with a Chinese Indonesian. Apparently, that guy said he is a Chinese 
but Mr. Iunn said I consider you Indonesian. That guy felt insult which 
I think it is silly. But the anger most likely came from being denied as 
a Chinese but not identified as an Indonesian. It is not clearly whether
that guy feel shame being an Indonesian. 

Last week, Mr. Iunn also posted an article on the human right newsgruop
complaining Taiwan government is a totalitarian regime. Most of us know 
Taiwan has been through the political reform for several years and certainly 
is not a real democratic country yet but is not a totalitarian country 
anymore. Mr. Iunn's pro-Taiwan-independence is well known. Nothing wrong 
with his political belief, but people have to make sure what he is against
is also the fact.

I dont know what Mr. Iunn is trying to do and his intention of cross-posting, 
but I would like to ask the readers to read and responded the article 
carefully. The racial tension is the last thing we want to see.

And I hope Chinese Indo or Chinese Mayla or others can get along with the 
native people. Feel proud where you are from, Indo, Mayla, ...but also no
need feel shame with Chinese identity. And Chinese is well-defined as ethnics 
not nationality only.

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