HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:27:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

"The Sensual World" by Kate Bush singing as Molly Bloom.

	the saying she's a flower of the mountain yes Mr. E-----
--

                         \   Absence diminishes small loves and increases
LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  great ones, as the wind blows out the candle 
sometimes a Wombat         \ and blows up the bonfire. -- La Rochefoucauld
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:55:37 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Matthew P Wiener writes:

	Master Amnell writes:

		I seem to recall that we've already been through this in
		sci.math, Mr. Wiener.

	Nothing that I recall, Master Amnell.  Send me e-mail.

That's better.  Your mnemonic failures are your own responsibility.
Seek help elsewhere.


-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
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From: mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Mechalas)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:41:35 GMT

In article <9211212332.AA12117@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
> 
>mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> 
>> To me, the exceptional thing about the book is that Madonna could get away
>> with it. What other star of stage, screen, or music could have pulled this
>> off without damaging his or her career?
> 
>2 Live Crew.

Andrew Dice Clay

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From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Neuromancer
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:38:09 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom


In article 1ebr98INN70m@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu, jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Squires) writes:
>
>I just started reading Gibson's Neuromancer.  I have many questions but 
>the one I can think of offhand--
>  Can someone please explain the ice used in the novel?

Well its been a while since I read it, but as I recall "ice" is a word
he used for protection/security.  I sthat what you wanted to know?

C
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:20361 soc.history:9570
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history
Subject: Re: Crystal Palaces
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:24:30 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Francis Muir writes:
>Cameron Laird writes:
>
>	How is it that an *amateur* like Paxton could build something 
>	so novel, IN A YEAR, when we software professionals can take 
>	even longer to turn out accounting packages forDjikstra'ssake, 
>	that *still* don't work?!?  
>
>Cameron Laird, who with a name like that should be building ships on
>Clydeside, has raised a nice point. One simple answer is that in Paxton's
>time Art and Engineering were intertwined, and that was at least one of
>the messages of the Great Exhibition. 

But was Paxton an amateur? Wasn't he some semi-official horticuluralist,
used to making greenhouses and stuff? The Crystal Palace was, after
all, just a duded up greenhouse. 
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> My bad.     
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Well, Nichael??
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:50:17 GMT

                                      Friday, the 20th of November, 1992
 
Nichael Cramer writes:
  One curious feature, not obvious in the raw totals, is the fact that of
  those women who voted, all but one voted "female" and of those men who
  voted, all but one voted "male".

This just means that we like you.
        
             Mike Morris
        (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Madonna's new book
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:18:26 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

In article <1e8kelINNpfc@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

> Really? Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals around
> with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn knowledge is pretty rusty),
> it would seem that "eggs" would not be appropriate. To confuse things
> a bit, in slang Spanish "balls" are called "uovos", eggs.

"Huevos", Fido, "huevos."  Not yet recovered from that last evening
spent with La Lollabrigida?  Or was it La Cicciolina?

Rage away,

meg


-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu		
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sbrock@teal.csn.org (Steve Brock)
Subject: sabine's notebook and book on catholic life
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:14:19 GMT

SABINE'S NOTEBOOK:  IN WHICH THE EXTRAORDINARY CORRESPONDENCE OF
GRIFFIN & SABINE CONTINUES by Nick Bantock.  Chronicle Books, 275
Fifth Street, San Francisco, CA  94103.  Illustrated.  48 pp.,
$17.95 cloth.  0-8118-0180-2


                             REVIEW

     This is an adult version of "The Jolly Postman and Other
People's Letters."  The second in a three-book series, this
illustrated novel takes advantage of two things:  a developing
practice and a vice.  The practice is that increasingly, adults
have begun to purchase novels that offer more than character and
plot - they want another approach, an unusual one.  The vice is
that we love to snoop and read other people's mail, especially when
there is a mystery involved.
     In the first book, "Griffin and Sabine: An Extraordinary
Correspondence" (a best-seller that kept Chronicle's presses
running to keep up with the demand), Griffin Moss is a designer of
postcards and stationary in London who is haunted by Sabine
Strohem, a postage-stamp designer living on a South Seas island. 
Their relationship is revealed in a collection of postcards, a
sketchbook, a diary, and a collection of letters that the reader
pulls out of their envelopes.  
     We never know if Sabine is a real person or a muse, but we do
know that Griffin is in love with her, and she can read his
thoughts.   At the end of the first book, he was fleeing London in
fear that she was coming for a visit.
     In this second installment, Sabine appears in Griffin's
studio, just missing his terror-stricken departure.  Undaunted and
in no hurry, she settles in while Griffin writes to her from
Ireland, Italy, Greece, Egypt, and other places, slowly zeroing in
on Sabine's studio.
     The mystery deepens as Griffin's head clears and he writes
that he knows who she is, what they are to each other, and what
they will be to each other.  He says he is returning home.  He
arrives on the announced date, expectant and confident, and finds
no evidence of her being there at all.
     The publication of the third book, "Sicmon," will take place
in mid-1993.  There is talk of a movie, and Bantock spends time
opening his own mail which is full of praise.
     Bantock is the author of the pop-up books "Jabberwocky" and
"There Was An Old Lady."









RAISED CATHOLIC (CAN YOU TELL?) by Ed Stivender.  August House
Publishers, Inc., P.O. Box 3223, Little Rock, AK  72203.  192 pp.,
$19.95 cloth.  0-87483-277-0


                             REVIEW

     "Raised Catholic (Can You Tell?)" recalls Stivender's days in
parochial school, which were carried forward to studying theology
and teaching religion in a Catholic High School.  He begins with
his first-grade experiences - falling in love with Sister Virginia
Mary (boy is that a name for a nun) - and continues on to confes-
sions, communions, and camps.  Those that are not Catholic will let
some of the inside jokes get by, but there is still more than
enough humor for all.
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From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles)
Subject: Re: Clerihewing 
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:13:55 GMT

Killing two threads with one stone:
Madonna
Prima donna
Wrote "sex"
She's got a lot of eggs.

(The poem works if you read it with an Indian accent :) :) :) )

But seriously, folks:

Emily Bronte
Writes better than Dante.
"Wuthering Heights"
Keeps me up nights.

D.H. Lawrence
Writes in emotional torrents.
"Lady Chatterly's Lover"
Needed a plain brown cover.

Charles Dickens
Took critics lickin's
"Our Mutual Friend"
Brought his career to an end.

E.C. Bently
wrote very "Trent"-ly 
What else did he do?
Invent the  Clerhew

John A Nickles 

(Gets in many pickles.
He goes to Purdue
Who know not what he do.)
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Source of Johnny Copeland quote
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:59:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm sure someone in the Pynchon Criticism Industry has 
already discovered this and produced  an article about it, but I have
had no luck in finding the source of the quote from Johnny Copeland
at the beginning of VINELAND.  

"Every dog has his day,
and a good dog
   just might have two days."


Anybody know it?  (I hope you found it by listening to Copeland do
his stuff; it's better than reading criticism)

J. Del Col
 
 
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
Philippi, WV      *                             
                  *         
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From: mtymp07@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Where to find _Our Debt to Greece & Rome_?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: international
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:16:26 GMT

I am looking for a copy of the book "Our Debt to Greece and Rome," by
Rhys Roberts.  Publisher: Cooper, (Squire?) 1963.  Unfortunately, the copy
I borrowed from someone I know became waterlogged; badly enough that I need to
find her a new copy.  If I am posting in the wrong group, or if you have infor-
mation leading to the sale of this book, feel free to mail me, or message me on
this group.

  Thank You,

Peter Vessenes
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Catholic Lifestyle Book Recommendation
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:27:32 GMT

                                  Monday, the 23rd of November, 1992

SubGenius writes:
  I just KNOW someone's
  gonna not get this,

I certainly didn't.

            Mike Morris
      (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: nzander@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject:     -- Harry Keeler (help find) --
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:24:22 GMT

I am trying to buy a HARRY KEELER book as a gift for my mother.  I have
gone to hundreds of used book stores in three different cities and nobody
has ever even heard of him.

Please, I'd appreciate it if someone would drop me a message (either
via the board or personal mail) that might clue me in a little.

I really don't understand why nobody has even heard of him.  The books
that I've read are impressive, not masterpieces or anything, and pretty
engrossing too.

Thanks,

-Nouri
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Sunday Times BOOKS
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:20:20 GMT

I can understand Marko's amazement.  I had a friend in college who
was nineteen years old and just beginning to have jaundiced views
of the world, when he walked into his living room one Sunday morning,
to find his father, stone-cold dead in an armchair, clutching the
_NYT_Book_Review_ in his rigid hands.  No shit.  My friend used to
quip that he'd always *thought* the _Book_Review_ was deadly dull,
but had never had it so dramatically confirmed.

							--Fiona
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:55:05 EST

In article <1e8stpINNhhl@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> Luke Something (Earthwalker?) writes:
> 
> 	Perhaps I'm just picking nits here, but my undergrad mechanics 
> 	book claims that Hooke published F = -kx as a latin anagram, 
> 	strictly 1-d.  Does Hooke explicitly mention the possibility 
> 	of displacement having a component orthogonal to applied force?  
> 	If not, the 1st class mechanic in question would be Lame, who 
> 	postdated Newton.
> 
> I have never forgiven Lame for giving his name to two constants that, 
> for the past 200 years, have seduced authors of undergraduate mechanics 
> text-books into teaching that the world is isotropic. Lame was a Zero.
> 
> 							Fido

I see.  Then who was it that first wrote down, explicitly, that
the applied force and the resulting displacement need not be parallel?
I'd be surprised if it were Hooke, but there's an easy way to 
convince me.  

As for your difficulty with my name:  from the mailing address, most 
teens could figure out that it's Luke Wagner.  I really don't 
care for all that junk at the bottom of my posts.  Oh, you don't 
either.  And that's a dog's name.  Some allusion to the running
dogs of imperialism?  Maybe, as Confucius said, we should just call
things by their right names.
							-Luke
From: ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Property Rights (was re: Progress: The New Great Divide? (was Re: Cult)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:32:10 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <JMC.92Nov14094633@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>In article <13174@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>   Communism requires that "all encompassing centripetal State" in
>   order to eliminate private property.  Marx expected the State to
>   wither away.  Why didn't it?  Because people are scum.  If you
>   give someone power over others, most of the time, that power will
>   be abused.
>
>   Communism without state power isn't communism.  In fact, it isn't
>   anything at all, because communism MUST use a lot of force to get
>   people to turn over their property and lives to the commune.
>   The mystical "True Socialist Man" has never existed, and never
>   will.
>   -- 
>   Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>   "Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
>
>Not quite so.  Communism in the Israeli kibbutzim persists without
>coercion.  Anyone is free to leave.  The problem for the kibbutz as
>an institution is that too many do leave, especially the grown-up
>children.

Not quite so at all.  Examples of communism without state power
abound throughout history.  Even in the twentieth century, 
two examples of libertararian communism being implemented on a large
scale in both rural and urban environments can be found; Ukraine under
the Makhnovists in 1917-1920, and Catalunya, Aragon and Andalusia in
Spain, 1936-39.  These are documented in, respectively, Arshinov's 
'History of the Makhnovist Movement', Voline's 'The Unknown Revolution', 
and Gaston Leval's 'Collectives In the Spanish Revolution', and Franz 
Borkenau's 'The Spanish Cockpit', among others.

ian

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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: The Kelmscott Chaucer
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:23:35 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

There has been some discussion of Morris' Kelmscott Chaucer and a copy
seen and salivated over in Arizona (otherwise home of the wrong London
Bridge at Lake Havasu). My stuff gleaned from Peter Stransky"s *WILLIAM
MORRIS* mentioned yesterday.

The collected poems of Chaucer. 87 woodcuts by Burne-Jones. 425 copies
were printed on paper and 4 on vellum. Folio. The former sold for L20,
and the latter for L120. Rather reasonably priced for 1896. In those
days L1 = $4 (I think).

I must confess that in my youth and circle, the Arts & Crafts Movement
was a standing joke. We came to accept some of the Morris wallpapers for 
their kitsch appeal, but trashed most everything else he created. There
seemed to us to be no spirit there.

							Fido
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: German Book as Gift?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:02:41 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

I would like to give a book as a gift to a manager who has
been very helpful to me, and since he is fluent in
German and loves the language, I am thinking of getting
him some great work of German literature in the original language.

Can anyone help? I know little about German literature, and 
I'm not sure what book would make an appropriate gift. It would
have to be obtainable from a nearby store (such as the Stanford
University bookstore or Kepler's in Menlo Park, CA). Also,
since this person is my employer, I would like a book that
sticks to safe themes. (The German equivalent of _Sons and Lovers_
might give him the wrong impressions.)

Recommendations? Hesse? Mann? Goethe? 

Please e-mail, as I have over 500 rec.arts.books posts to read.

Thanks,
Janine Schenone
janines@novell.com
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Ate in Arcadia. Eggo.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:51:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Lori Cole writes:

	Fido writes:

		Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals 
		around with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn 
		knowledge is pretty rusty), it would seem that "eggs" 
		would not be appropriate. To confuse things a bit, in 
		slang Spanish "balls" are called "huevos", eggs.

	Then wouldn't referring to people as having "a lot of eggs" be 
	the perfect, all-purpose, non-gendered term?!?!

Precisely, and the corresponding unisex (Shades of the Sixties...) 
antonymic, "one egg short of a full basket".

							Fido

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<TORKEL.92Nov21163353@bast.sics.se> <1992Nov21.180903.3894@eff.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:45:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.180903.3894@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
 writes:

   >No. I'm attributing to W that line about "philosophical problems."

  So where did the "problems in the use of language" come from?

   >But in any case you seem now to have granted
   >that I did *not* say that W was unconcerned with metaphysics. Clearly,
   >he was deeply concerned with metaphysics; had he not been, he would not
   >have labored so hard against metaphysics.

  Wittgenstein didn't labor against metaphysics, hard or otherwise. I think
you're really talking about Carnap...
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sunday Times BOOKS
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:23:06 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Marko Amnell writes:

	There's a first time for everything.  For whatever reason, 
	I discovered today that I had read the Sunday Times BOOKS 
	section in its entirety for the first time. I find nothing 
	out of the ordinary -- a biography of R.L. Stevenson, ...

Could you flesh out this titbit please?

							Fido
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From: cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Mark Cohen)
Subject: Mervyn Peak
Originator: mark@agnew
Organization: Dept. of Chemistry, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:13:43 GMT

Hi All,
Is there any one out there who can tell me a little about Mervyn Peak the
English author of Titus Groan, Gormenghast, Titus Alone and Mr. Pye as well
as several other books. All I know is what is discussed in the the notes at
the start of the copy Titus alone I have. This only says that his mental
health deteriorated as he was completeing the book and that he died before
he had made all the revisions he had talked about. Has he been subject to
a biography, or are there other similar sources available to find out more
about him
Thanks in advance for any info

cheers
Mark Cohen
cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<TORKEL.92Nov21163353@bast.sics.se> <1992Nov21.180903.3894@eff.org>
	<TORKEL.92Nov21194533@bast.sics.se> <gall.722534646@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:37:12 GMT

In article <gall.722534646@yorku.ca> gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall) writes:

   >Check out PI section 109.  Amongst other things w writes " Philosophy
   >is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of
   >language"

  So? Which "problems in the use of language" do you have in mind?

   >Ummm... I think you've missed the point of PI.  Check out PI sect 116:
   >"What _we_ do is to bring words back fom their metaphysical to their
   >everyday use."

  So? Where is the battle against metaphysics?
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
Date: 22 Nov 1992 16:20 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Cole Kendall writes...
>Avoid Mailer's _The Naked and the Dead_ like the plague.
>Cole Kendall

+-----------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+
I'm forced to wonder a)  what plague I should be avoiding on your advisement,
b)  why I should start to actively work to avoid it as I've managed to
passively dodge any apparent ill effects from it and c)  what could be so 
bad about this plague if it can be compared to the incomparable Mailer novel.

But back to WWII novels, apart from having to satisfy my carnal need to second
(or third or whatever) the commendation of _Gravity's Rainbow_
[*spoink*spoink*spoink*], and adding that _Berlin Alexanderplatz_ is worth
a watch as well as a read (as long as you have roughly fifteen-and-a-half hours
to devote to it), I'd throw _Up Front_ onto the pile.

Although it's not strictly what I'd call either "surreal" or, for that matter,
a novel, it's valuable in this context if you search for surrealism is a
search for alternative viewpoints.  Or chuckles.

Also check out the movie of the same name (with music by Henry "SubG can't
spell my last name" Mancini), and the companion volume _Back Home_.












Yours etc.,





SubGenius