HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: V30 of EDICT released (31,527 entries)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:41:50 GMT



As threatened, V30 of EDICT is now released, and is available in the
usual forms on pub/nihongo on monu6.cc.monash.edu.au for
collection by ftp or ftpmail. If you are patient, it will turn up on
the mirrors at uesama.tjp.washington.edu and FTP.funet.fi.

This release of edict, probably the last for 1992, has 31527 lines,
an increase of about 1300 over V29. Thanks again to Scott, Jeff,
Theresa and all the other contributors.

BTW, I will be removing "jddict" (Japanese/German dictionary file)
from monu6, as per the agreement for its limited "PD" release. You
have one more month to get a copy.


-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: zfs60@cas.org (Zhiyong John Shen)
Subject: gairaigo<->english tranlation program available?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:06:55 GMT


i am looking for a gairaigo<->english translation (not
transliteration) program which will take a gairaigo in katakana (or
romaji) and produce the closest english word.  i know over 90% of
gairaigo are from english and most gairaigo are pretty regular.  i
have been using a table lookup, which is getting too big, and just
wonder if anyone has ran into similar problems and has already come up
with some algorithm or program that will do this with minimum
overhead.

thanks for any information,

--john
From: news@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM (News Administration)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese Language Study Books for Sale
Keywords: books
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:42:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

Japanese language studiy materials available. Textbooks, dictionaries,
reference books, etc. Hundreads are in stock. Free catalog. Send a fax to
519-884-9083 Nihongo Circle.
From: tiger@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Tiger Takahashi)
Please do not contact me directly.


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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Subject: Re: Etymological dictionary
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:02:17 GMT

Chris Hawley (chawley@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote:
> To find out what a certain character meant, you looked at the four corners
> of the character.  The 10 or so different corner patterns had numbers (0-9)
> that corresponded to them.  For instance, the right angle in the upper left
> corner of the character "hi" (sun) might be a 3, the right angle going the
> other way in the upper right might be, say, a 5.  You then put the numbers
> together (going clockwise) to get a 4-digit number.  You looked up the
> four-digit number, and ta-da- there was the character you were looking for!

I think this is one of the chinese computer input.  Maybe you can look
up some chinese word processors to find the name. 
Isn't remembering the numbers more difficult than remembering the
radicals?
--
CHEN JiaTyan
isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg
chenjiat@nusdiscs.bitnet
From: jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu (Jon Wiederspan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: seeking help on EUC -> X display problem
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:42:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.164232.13422
Organization: Technical Japanese Program
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72E6044EE01CA3F@harajuku.tjp.washington.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:39:32 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <SBOISEN.92Nov16145711@stitt.bbn.com> Sean Boisen,
sboisen@bbn.com writes:
>Can somebody help me with some of the details of how to take EUC-coded
>Japanese and display it using X? We're building a user interface
>(using Builder Accessory, an interface-generator) which has to take
>arbitrary EUC text and display it, and we've gotten far enough to see
>that the way JISX0208.1983-0 represents characters is not the same as
>EUC encoding.  I'm guessing that the answer is somewhere inside the
>japan.inf file produced by Ken Lunde and the sources for kterm, both
>of which we have: but if somebody could provide me with just a little
>more direction i think we could get it. E-mail replies are preferred,
>and i'll post if there's interest. 
>
>........................................
>Sean Boisen -- sboisen@bbn.com
>BBN Systems and Technologies, Cambridge MA

I don't know if this will help enough, but I have a list (from Ken Lunde,
I believe) of JIS1 kanji and the equivalent codes for EUC, Kuten, and
Stroke Count (as well as hex values).  The list is posted on
ftp.uwtc.washington.edu in /pub/Japanese as "jis1Table.xxx".  It is
available in .jis, .sjis, or .euc.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mdonovan@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Maureen H Donovan)
Subject: references for personal and place names
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:59:36 GMT

In dealing with Japanese personal and place names the most
important thing to resolve is whether one wants to look
up what the possible reading(s) is/are or whether one wants
to identify the particular reading of a particular person
or place.  The works cited previously on this list will
be very helpful for the first task, primarily as a guide for
educated guessing.  For the second, however,
you would need more extensive reference sources.
In the case of people's names:  first determine who the
person is by occupation or time period, etc. and then
look in specific reference books.  For example, if the person
is a contemporary and is a professor at a Japanese university
then you can look in Kenkyusha Kenkyu Kadai Soran.  Or, if
the person is an author of a book you can check the NIhon Shoseki
Somokuroku  or    Kokuritsu Kokkai Toshokan Tenkyoroku   or
Chosakuken Daicho.

Since none of these sources is cheap, one method many people
use is to use O'Neill or other one volume sources to make
guesses and later go to a library to verify the readings.

Maureen Donovan
Japanese Studies Librarian
Ohio State University Libraries
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Where to get the 7.1 Kanjitalk and what about the Chinese conterpart?
Date: 15 Nov 92 01:59:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1992Nov14.195921.44790
Followup-To: sci.lang.japan
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> I don't know when KanjiTalk 7.1 and/or the Japanese script module will be
> available in the U.S.
> 
> David Goldsmith

Has anyone seen the new system 7.1 compatable Kanjitalk stuff yet?
I'm researching getting the system for our East Asian Languages dept.
so I'd be interested in hearing if they are available in the US yet
and if so how much.  I'm also still interested in knowing how much the
system would cost to purchase in Japan (as well as the cheaper places
to buy it).  

BTW, if anyone knows where to get the Chinese version of Kanjitalk and
how much it would be we would be interested in hearing that too.  Thanks.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: mk0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MONICA KELLNER)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: "Otoko kotoba" and "On-na kotoba" (Male language and female l
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:25:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov17.034507.1238@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, kanazawa@Csli.Stanford.EDU
 (Makoto Kanazawa) writes:
>In <Bxu72q.4MI@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes
:
>
>>behind the generation of otoko kotoba and on-na kotoba. However, it's
>>my impression that there is no real movement among Japanese towards the
>>abolishment of sexually determined language usage. Although many adolescent
>
>I agree.  But is there any *real* movement among Japanese towards the
>abolishemnt of sexism, for that matter?
>
>Makoto Kanazawa
>

In the example of the beautiful flower, as long as the other can see me or
listen to my voice, he/she will know I am female (unlike written). Though when
what is said is more controversial than the exaple, it might be good to have a
neutral language.
Other kind of language usages are probably more harmful to women. For example,
I was told (my japanese is rudimentary) that the meaning of "wife" is "woman
in the corner".
However, I was surprised that when taken into the Japanese context, things
that sound terrible to me from a westener perspective, where much milder.
Do you believe that the nature of Japanese sexism is the same than in the West?
 
-- 
                                   Monica
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:30:50 MST
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese on a Macintosh
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <1992Nov23.201029.3012@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> ron.guest@rss.dl.nec.com writes:
>I want to be able to read and write kana and kanji files
>(with some English mixed in) on my Macintosh.  I had 
>hoped that System 7.1 would include what I needed.  But
>it turns out it doesn't.  Worse yet, Apple says they will
>not sell me what I need.  They actually suggested I go
>to Japan to get it.  Very helpful, huh?  The Mac is
>world ready, as long as you live in the right part of the
>world (they reassured me this same stupid policy existed
>for other languages, like Spanish).  
>
>Is there anyway to do what I want short of this (and that
>doesn't cost too much)?  Is WorldScript/Kanjitalk actually
>required?  Or is there a public domain environment I could
>use?

I don't understand the way Apple works things very well, but a friend
of mine did just get System 7.1 with WorldScript and whatever else 
necessary to do Japanese.  Without going to Japan.  So it is possible.
I don't know what kind of contortions he had to go through to get it,
but you could ask him.

Try Scott Papenfuss at scottp.byu.edu.  You can tell him I sent you,
unless there are 10,000 of you out there that are interested.  Maybe
once somebody finds out you could post it to the net...

(PS. I not that you work for NEC America.  You might ask Apple about
getting developer's versions.  That's where the 7.1 I use came from...)
-- 
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|  David Luke                      "There's nothing worse than a brilliant     |
|  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu           image of a fuzzy concept."                 |
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE
Subject: Japanese speech contest in Cologne
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:32 GMT

There is a Japanese speech contest taking place in Cologne (Germany)
on Sunday 22 at 15.00 o'clock.
It takes place in the Japanese Cultural Institute
Japanisches Kulturinstitut
Universitaetsstrasse 98
5000 Kvln 1

Tel.: +49/221-401071

This is the final contest of 12 preselected contestants.
The entry for interested people is free.

--- sunday 22. november 1992 15.00 o'clock ---


kurt
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Kanji of the day ?64
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:36:16 GMT

yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

>jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>> ...
>>>SUteneko    -   stray cat

>This is quite minor, but "sute-neko" is literally "abandoned cat".
>IMHO, stray cat would be "nora-neko".  Similarly "nora-inu" for stray
>dog.

In English these are close to being synonyms. Most "stray" cats
start out as "abandoned" cats.

I have amended the suteneko entry to "abandoned (stray) cat", and
added entries for naraneko and norainu.

Thanks.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: shan@ee.ic.ac.uk (Shan Parfitt)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: new newsgroup?
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:49:24 GMT
Organization: Elec. Eng. Dept., Imperial College London

In article <11571@spark.ed.ac.uk> frankred@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Martin Redington) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.103339.21310@cc.ic.ac.uk> shan@ee.ic.ac.uk (Shan Parfilt) writes:
>>A few people have expressed an interest in setting up a new newsgroup
>>or mailing list on the subject of Neural Networks and Natural Language.
>>Is anybody reading this similarly interested? If so,please make yourself
>>known! Anybody interested in moderating such a group or mailing list
>>also required, as I'm not really in a position to do it myself!
>>S. Parfitt
>
>There are quite a few people here in Edinburgh working on the subject
>of Neural Networks and NL, but I'm not sure whether a new newsgroup is
>required, although given the fact that this subject appears to be rarely
>addresses in sci.lang, or comp.ai.neural.nets I could be wrong. A mailing
>list might be a better option. It's even possible that someone might
>volunteer to moderate it, although due to my currently limited net
>access I wouldn't want to do so myself,
>
>                                        cheers,
>                                               Martin.

The reason for wanting a newsgroup specifically on the subject
of NNs and Natural Language is that, whilst it does appear
occasionally as a topic in the newsgroups Martin mentions, it
does not feature as regularly as it probably would if it had a newsgroup
of its own. A lot of people have contacted me since I first sent out
my append, so there would appear to be a market for it, to use
Thatcher-speak.

Shan Parfitt
From: kartik@hls.com (Kartik Chandrasekhar)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: South African Expression
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:43:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi,

	Today while listening to a report on the social and political
turmoil in South Africa I heard the reporter use a word which 
according to him literally meant "meeting in the bush".
(In the context of a meeting between the ANC and the Government)

	It sounded very similar to the native American POWWOW and 
appeared to be a popular expression in South Africa.  I do not 
know if the word is afrikaans but sounded local to South Africa.
I have forgotten the word and  would like someone to help me out.

Thanks in advance

kartik
From: thorinn@diku.dk (Lars Henrik Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: postpositive articles in English
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:54:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>So far as I know, no Germanic languages have postposed articles.

In the modern North Germanic languages, nouns have a definite form,
used in very simple definite noun phrases, which historically seems to
be derived from a separately inflected, postposed article "hinn". (I
believe that Icelandic still has the double inflection, and it
survives in stock phrases in Danish, at least.) In more complex cases,
an preposed definite article is used, with language-dependent rules
for the definiteness of the noun.

Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@diku.dk> (Humour NOT marked)
From: amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Munn)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Problems with GB?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:50:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <722041180.6061@minster.york.ac.uk> miles@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>Hello all.
>
>Just a quickie.  Does anyone know of any syntactic constructs
>that are beyond GB?

Doesn't this newsgroup specialise in such matters?

>I'm curently writing a paper and a section
>deals with inadequacies of syntactic theories that are purely
>deductively based.  GB is one such theory in that a GB constructed
>parse can be viewed as begin deduced from GB's principles of
>grammaticality.  A failure to deduce the syntax of a sentence
>will mean wither that the sentence is ungramamtical or that 
>GB's principles of grammaticality are incomplete.  So, anyone
>know of any incompleteness in GB?

This is essentially an unanswerable question for for GB or any other
theory.  What you want is something which would be provably impossible
for GB.  But if we come up with data which doesn't seem easily
accountable in current versions of the theory that doesn't mean that
they're provably not accountable.  One might have said that
polysynthtic languages couldn't be accounted for in GB, but Mark
Baker's work shows that that isn't the case (this is not to say that
he's right, just that the data can be accounted for.)  Depending on
your assumptions, even very simple examples aren't accounted for --
just think of the various accounts for the that-t effect for example.

THere are piles of unsolved problems in syntax.  In that respect, any
theory is incomplete, but I take it that's not what you want.

Alan

>
>Miles
>miles@minster.york.ac.uk	"All is vanity".


-- 
Alan Munn                     <amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Dept. of Linguistics, CB# 3155 UNC Chapel Hill NC 27599
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters)
Subject: Re: Saussure
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:43:59 GMT

mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:

>The terms were introduced by Ferdinand de Saussure in his _Cours de
>Linguistique Generale_, published posthumously in (I think) 1911.

Before another myth starts spreading, let me add for the record that the
Cours was indeed published posthumously, but not in 1911 - Saussure died
in 1913, so that would have been a bit premature. It's 1916 to be precise.

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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: johan@swi.psy.uva.nl (Johan Henselmans)
Subject: Re: postpositive articles in English
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:25:22 GMT

connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.190026.937@almserv.uucp>, alufml@fnma.COM (Francois-Michel Lang) writes:
>> In French, certain articles can appear either
>> (1) after the noun they modify, in which case
>>     the adjective has its basic meaning, or
>> (2) before the noun, in which case the sense
>>     of the adjective is metaphorical.
>> 
>> E.g.,
>> "un sale voleur" (adjective noun) = "a [morally] filthy thief"
>> "un voleur sale" (noun adjective" = "a [physically] filthy thief"
>> 
>> Are there are examples of such behaviour in English?  It doesn't
>> even have to involve a transfer of sense; just an adjective that
>> can occur both pre-nominally and post-nominally would be good to see.
>> The only example I can come up with is something like "the city proper".

>There are some fossilized expressions of this sort in English:

>	knight errant
>	durance vile
>	Chicken Little

>But these examples are true fossils; other nouns and adjectives cannot
>be substituted, and the adjective cannot be compared.  In other words,
>there is no _*knight peripatetic_ or _*musician errant_, and certainly
>no _*durance vilest_.  _Proper_ is unusual, perhaps unique, in that it
>is only postpositive in this usage and can be used after many other nouns
>than _city_.  But even _proper_ cannot then be compared (_*city most
>proper_).

>--Leo Connolly

How about adjectives such as "enough", "aplenty" and "galore" which 
often appear after the noun they qualify.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: postpositive articles in English
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:46:28 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Nov20.125429.4163@memstvx1.memst.edu> connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>_Aplenty_ is not an adjective in any sense of the word: neither syntactically,
>nor formally, not historically (it's an old PP).  Neither, apparently, is
>_galore_, though it's far from obvious what it would be.

_Galore_ comes from the Irish _go leo'r_ `enough' (lit. `to abundance',
`to sufficiency', `to saturation' -- well, you get the idea; cf. Japanese
_kekko^ ni_), so etymologically it, too, is a PP.

-- 
 `Haud yer wheesht!  Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: order of IPA
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:36:35 GMT


Is there a standard ordering of the characters in the International Phonetic
Alphabet?  I've only ever seen it as a two-dimensional table, but some
African languages use IPA letters like the open O, so those at least must be
ordered.

While I'm up -- I have a booklet on the IPA ("Principles of the
International Phonetic Association") dated in the Fifties.  Has it been
updated?  How would I get a new one?
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                          dasher@well.sf.ca.us
    *\\*    Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms    *\\*
+1 415 267 0685                 1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: postnominal adjectives in English
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

> > "un sale voleur" (adjective noun) = "a [morally] filthy thief"
> > "un voleur sale" (noun adjective" = "a [physically] filthy thief"
> > 
> > Are there are examples of such behaviour in English?  It doesn't
> > even have to involve a transfer of sense; just an adjective that
> > can occur both pre-nominally and post-nominally would be good to see.
> > The only example I can come up with is something like "the city proper".
> 
> There are some fossilized expressions of this sort in English:
> 
> 	knight errant
> 	durance vile
> 	Chicken Little
> 
> But these examples are true fossils; other nouns and adjectives cannot
> be substituted, and the adjective cannot be compared.  In other words,
> there is no _*knight peripatetic_ or _*musician errant_, and certainly
> no _*durance vilest_.  _Proper_ is unusual, perhaps unique, in that it
> is only postpositive in this usage and can be used after many other nouns
> than _city_.  But even _proper_ cannot then be compared (_*city most
> proper_).

there are those cases where a postnominal deverbal modifier has a
different interpretation (or usage) than its prenominal counterpart:

	a scorned woman		vs	a woman scorned
	an unfrocked priest	vs	a priest unfrocked
	a denied wish		vs	a wish denied
	the passed sentence	vs	the sentence passed

etc.

-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
Newsgroups: sci.lang