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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:31:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>This month I will be finding out why EZ compiled for SunOS 4.1.2 core
>dumps when run in Binary Compatibility mode under Solaris2.

It works fine for me, although it could be working here because of some
of the hacks I've added.

Note, though, that *other* applications won't work because, apparently,
the binary-compatibility-mode run-time linker appears not to allow
run-time dynamic loading (with "dlopen()") of shareable objects from
SunOS 4.x.

As such, a real port may be necessary.

>I'll be interested in email exchange with anyone else doing Solaris2 work.

If anybody's doing such a port, they should note that:

	1) the main reason I wrote a version of the "class" dynamic
	   loader that sat atop "-ldl" was to prevent somebody from
	   writing a version that understood ELF images - SVR4 has
	   "-ldl" also (actually, AT&T invented the API for it, and Sun
	   picked it up for 4.1[.x]).

	2) the pseudo-tty mechanism is different.

	3) the net result of such a port may, if done right, amount not
	   just to a Solaris 2.x port, but to a generic SVR4 port.
From: iancu@ilx018.intel.com (Igal Iancu)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: New to Andrew
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:14:59 GMT
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Hi,


I am new to the Andrew system and am actually looking for a system to
replace our mail system and maybe some other database services.

We are a site with roughly 600 workstations (AIX 3.2, i486 SVR4 on NCR and
a bunch of Sparc and sun386i).  We have AFS installed for the AIX machines
and the rest use NFS. In addition, we have ~200 PCs using PC-NFS and Novell.

Mail is heavily based on an Ultrix server which speaks smtp (sendmail) and
DECnet.  It houses also a central /usr/spool/mail which is mounted by
all clients using NFS.   

I am looking for a system which will not have a single point of failure,
and maybe supplies some other goodies.


Can anyone share their experience with moving to Andrew (if applicable) ,
and how does it fit with the above site description.

Please reply by mail.


Thanks in advance,


Igal Iancu                                         
Systems Engineering                           
Intel Corporation
iancu@iil.intel.com
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: robd@cs.kun.nl (Rob Duin)
Subject: Messages options
Summary: How do I start messages without reading mail?
Keywords: messages, mail, bulletin board
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:25:37 GMT

Hello everbody,

The Messages program has some known options as
-s for ~/sendmessageinit
-m for only reading mail
-w for separate windows for each region

I wonder if there is also an option that prevents "messages" from accessing the /var/spool/mail directory at startup time. I just want to read the bulletin boards. Does anybody know?

Yes, I can set "unset hold" in my ".mailrc", but that file can also be used by other programs, so that is not a very good solution.

I am asking this, because at our site some people use messages and some want to use Eudora at their Mac's. We can not tell everyone to use the AMS system.

Hope you can help.

Rob Duin

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: 5.1 on SunOS 4.1/4.1.2
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:48:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>  doindex: indexing testobj.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed
>  *** Abort - core dumped
>
>Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it?

Make absolutely, positively, sure that you do !!!*NOT*!!! have "/lib" in
your LD_LIBRARY_PATH.  If you have it before "/usr/lib", it will cause
that very symptom; if you don't, it's superflous ("/lib" is just a
symbolic link to "/usr/lib" in SunOS 4.x).

Also, make sure that none of the Makefiles have "-L/lib" in them; that
can cause the same problem.

Also also, make sure they don't have "-L/usr/lib/" or anything such as
that in them, either - that one measly little extra "/" at the end can
*also* cause the same problem (it's a long story, but basically if any
program gets the "-ldl" library from anywhere other than a file with the
*exact* pathname "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0", you lose).
From: Wilfred.Hansen@CS.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: How do I set margins in EZ
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:41:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The package $ANDREWDIR/lib/tmac/tmac.atk defines several options
suitable for adjusting printed output layout.  For instance, the
initialization routine defines:

.nr PS \n(.p	\" pointsize
.nr VS \n(.v	\" linespacing
.nr HM 1i	\" header margin
.nr FM 1i	\" footer margin
.nr LL \n(.l	\" line length
.nr IN 36p	\" indent to allow outdenting headers
.nr LT \n(.l-\n(INu	\" title length

All of these can be adjusted with formatnotes in your document.
For instance, to set the top margin, put a line

.nr HM 1.5i

and mark it with the FormatNote style.
You can also copy tmac.atk and modify it.  To use the modified
version, add to your ~/preferences file a line like:

*.tmacfile: pathname/tmac.atk

substituting for <pathname> the path to your copy of tmac.atk.

Have fun,
Fred Hansen
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: National characters in texts
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:46:46 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
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In article <wfEnStG00WoiMIG2hW@andrew.cmu.edu>, rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
(Robert Andrew Ryan) writes:
|> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 30-Dec-92 National characters
|> in texts Rainer Klute@ucbvax.Berk (642)
|> 
|> > What annoys me is that typing a national character (i. e. a German
|> > umlaut) in, say, ez crashes the application. Is this regarded as
|> usual
|> > behavior, could it be due to my unusual installation, or did I miss
|> > anything in the documentation?
|> 
|> This is certainly not normal behavior.  Which version of Andrew are you
|> using?  (5.1 is the latest public release)  Check that
|> $ANDREWDIR/lib/compchar exists and contains the single readable file
|> comps.    It should start out like below...

I am using Andrew 5.1, and $ANDREWDIR/lib/compchar/comps looks fine.
Meanwhile I gathered some disk space and built the Andrew configuration:
same behaviour. I just started another built with MK_BASIC_UTILS defined in
order to get this console application.

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From: gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: How do I set margins in EZ
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:39:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 3-Jan-93 How do I set
margins in EZ Ed Miner@panix.com (160)

> Can anyone tell me how can I set the top and bottom margins within EZ?
> Also how can i find a list of .troff commands? to use.

To edit styles, choose the 'Edit Styles' item on the 'File' menu card. 
This will bring up a lookz window.  The bad news is that I don't believe
there is a facility for setting the top and bottom margins.  

The good news is that you can embed raw troff at any location in the
document.  Just type in the troff code, select that code and choose the
'FormatNote' item on the 'Region' menu card.  

The troff will take affect when the document is printed.

Gary Keim
Andrew Consortium
From: rdew@ALW.NIH.GOV (Bob Dew)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Messages options
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:21:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

You could try setting "MailboxFile:/dev/null" in your .preferences file.
 This should work, provided "MAIL" is left undefined in your envrionment.


-Bob
From: gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Patches for andrew
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:22:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from misc: 7-Jan-93 Patches for andrew Mark T. 07-Jan-1993@rela (981)

> Have there been patches/updates for Andrew, since the CDROM release?
> I seem to remember hearing about some, but I cannot find any on
> the Imperial College info-server.

The next public release will be included on the contrib portion of X11R6
about a year from now.

Gary Keim
Andrew Consortium
From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: adew-clicklist - Problems
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:38:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:09:35 CET

Hi out there,
i am currently having some problems, to which I can not work out a
solution. Maybe you can help me ?

I have a clicklist-value, in which i insert a stirng-array, containing
some colons. As the font inside the table is always proportional,
and as I have not found any way to set the font or it's proportio-
nality, my colums will always be unaligned. (i cant use TAB)
Is there a possibility to set the font-style or the font itself ?
In Arb I can set a body-font, but this matters only for the title
of the clicklist-field, not for data which i assign later...

How can I let choose the user more than one entry of the clicklist
at the same time ? Is there a method where i can find a whole
selected range ? (And how can I find out, which button he uses to
click on the entries? I think there is something like this in the
valuev.ch - but I could not figure out how to let it work. It seems
that only inputs with the left mouse-button acutally cause a callback...

Advices of every kind are very welcome, so thanks you in advance :-))

Friendly greetings,

	Germano Caronni


-- 
Instruments register only through things they're designed to register.
Space still contains infinite unknowns.

Germano Caronni    caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch
From: HERMES::CAERCN::druid%hermes.mod.uk@RELAY.MOD.UK (Mark Templeton 07-Jan-1993 1721)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Patches for andrew
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Have there been patches/updates for Andrew, since the CDROM release?
I seem to remember hearing about some, but I cannot find any on
the Imperial College info-server.

	Regards,
		Mark.
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From: greene@MONSTER.UMD.EDU (Stephan Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: National characters in texts
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:34:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


> What annoys me is that typing a national character (i. e. a German
> umlaut) in, say, ez
> crashes the application.

I think this is the same problem that I encountered and fixed when I was
working on an ISO keyboard in Sweden this summer (a DECstation, in that
case). It occurs when you have a keyboard that sends 8-bit characters
directly to the application, as opposed to your having mapped a
key-sequence of 7-bit characters to self-insert an 8-bit character.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case the compchar package has
nothing to do with it.

I went into the following files, and changed some "char" declarations to
"unsigned char" and the problem was solved. I don't have the details
handy, but the places to do it are pretty obvious. I would think you
need to hit the SelfInsert routines in the txt*.c files at the very
least. This may be overkill, but I made that change in these files:

bind.c
bind.ch
keymap.c
keymap.ch
txtcmds.c
txtvcmod.c

This was in ATK 5.0. I can dig up the files if anyone wants to diff them
against newer versions.

Stephan Greene
University of Maryland
From: dglo@manray.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Glowacki)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: 5.1 on SunOS 4.1/4.1.2
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:43:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: manray.berkeley.edu
Summary: SunOS build fails

I've tried building Andrew 5.1 on a Sun3 running SunOS 4.1 and on SPARC
machines running SunOS 4.1 and 4.1.2.

On all three systems, any use of 'doindex' fails with a message similar to

  doindex: indexing testobj.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed
  *** Abort - core dumped

Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it?
-- 
Dave Glowacki                 dglo@cs.Berkeley.EDU                   UCBerkeley
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ?
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:56:53 GMT

I'm interested in running Andrew on a SparcClassic, which
means under Solaris 2.x (a :-(, I think, but maybe I'm wrong).
I just started reading this group and I thought I saw a comment 
implying that Andrew had not yet been ported to run in this 
environment.  Is this true?  (If it helps, we will (I believe)
be running X11R5, not OpenWindows (am I getting all of
my mixed caps right?))

If it doesn't yet run under Solaris 2.x, is anyone working
on a port, and are there any guesses as to availability?

Thanx!

ted
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From: nruess@iiic.ethz.ch (Niklaus Gerhard Ruess)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: rasters
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:50:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Hi there, 
I'm working on a converter for ATK format and RTF. So I'm interested in the
datastream of raster objects. Somewhere I read that the format is described in
the file itc/be2/raster/rasterspec.d . I can't find this file on my disk.
Do you know any location where I can get it with ftp?

I tried to include rasters made with MacPaint 2.0. I couldn't load them into 
an ATK document made by EZ. It always said that the file is not in MacPaint
format. Do you have any idea what's wrong here?

I'm working with EZ version 7.0 and ATK 5.1.

Thanks for taking your time.

Niklaus Ruess
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: robd@cs.kun.nl (Rob Duin)
Subject: Messages options
Summary: How do I start messages without reading mail?
Keywords: messages, mail, bulletin board
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:33:57 GMT

Hello everbody,

The Messages program has some known options as
-s for ~/sendmessageinit
-m for only reading mail
-w for separate windows for each region

I wonder if there is also an option that prevents "messages" from accessing the /var/spool/mail directory at startup time. I just want to read the bulletin boards. Does anybody know?

Yes, I can set "unset hold" in my ".mailrc", but that file can also be used by other programs, so that is not a very good solution.

I am asking this, because at our site some people use messages and some want to use Eudora at their Mac's. We can not tell everyone to use the AMS system.

Hope you can help.

Rob Duin


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From: fodatec@HARARE.KAPSCH.CO.AT (Fodatec Project)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: How to resize the window of a running application?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:57:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hello,

Could anyone please give me a hint how to change the window size of a
running application from within that application, to the values which
are computed at run-time in a result of some user's action ?

Thank you in advance,

Kazimierz Zielinski
fodatec@kapsch.co.at
From: rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Static linking ATK apps
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:27:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Technical discussion and request for ideas follows, feel free to skip
this message...

We are currently working on a mechanism whereby a runapp can be
automagically linked with a given set of classes statically loaded.  (We
are also woring on eliminating the assembly language trampoline code in
the dynamic loading system, and providing dummy dynamic loading
functions for machines without dynamic loading support.)

The current scheme modifies the rules for making a .do file to install a
list of the object files used, and a list of the libraries used, and a
list of the classes references by the object files included in the .do. 
(Or which would be if a real .do was being generated.)  A program has
been written which uses this information to construct a list of the
object files and libraries needed given a list of classes which are
desired...  For example supplying the list:

eza
xws

to this program lists all the object files and libraries needed for the
most basic runapp, and generates an appropriate statload.c.  The
difficulty at this point is that the libraries must be re-ordered by
hand.  (Since depending on what objects are pulled out of library A it
might depend on library B, necessitating library B coming after library
A on the link line.)

Currently I am thinking of solving this by having a master list of
libraries (and -L and -l switches) with an associated priority
indicating where the argument should fall in the argument list.  Any
unknown libraries would be placed (in no particular order) before the
known libraries.  There are a few problems with this approach of course.
 First, if there are dependencies between user supplied libraries they
must be added to the master list.  Second,  the dependencies between
libraries may depend on which .o files get pulled out. 

The main goal all of this is striving to achieve is eliminating the need
to get dynamic loading working for ATK to be useful on a new platform. 
So ideally the solution to ordering the libraries would be machine/OS
independent.

If you have any thoughts on the matter we would be happy to hear them. 
(Probably best just to reply to me, if there is general interest I'll
summarize.)

Thanks for any ideas,
-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium
From: gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: How to resize the window of a running application?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:54:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from misc: 12-Jan-93 How to resize the window of.. Fodatec
Project@harare.k (274)

> Could anyone please give me a hint how to change the window size of a
> running application from within that application, to the values which
> are computed at run-time in a result of some user's action ?

There are methods in andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c that do what you want:

xim__ResizeWindow(self, w, h)
xim__MoveWindow(self, x, y)

These methods don't seem to be fully integrated into the system because
they don't appear in xim.ch and you would also expect there to be empty,
dummy routines in im.c that these would override.  This might imply that
there is a problem with these routines.... anybody know?

You should be able to use these guys in your code, like so:

#include <im.ih>
im_ResizeWindow(fooview_GetIM(self), newWidth, newHeight);

Gary Keim
Andrew Consortium

Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley)
Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ?
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 08:54:13 GMT

In article <16288@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>	3) the net result of such a port may, if done right, amount not
>	   just to a Solaris 2.x port, but to a generic SVR4 port.

This would be nice :).  I'd dearly love to have Andrew on my SCO ODT boxes.

-- 
Vance Shipley 
vances@xenitec.on.ca         vances@switchview.com         vances@ltg.uucp
From: dd26+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Douglas F. DeJulio")
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Messages options
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:15:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I wonder if there is also an option that prevents "messages" from
> accessing the /var/spool/mail directory at startup time. I just want to
> read the bulletin boards. Does anybody know?

If you set the PersonalMailCollectionCommand: preference to /bin/true,
you should get the result you want.
-- 
Doug DeJulio
ddj+@cmu.edu
From: tpn+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Tom Neuendorffer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: adew-clicklist - Problems
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:55:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 7-Jan-93 adew-clicklist -
Problems Germano Caronni@nessie.c (1254)


> I have a clicklist-value, in which i insert a stirng-array, containing
> some colons. As the font inside the table is always proportional,
> and as I have not found any way to set the font or it's proportio-
> nality, my colums will always be unaligned. (i cant use TAB)
> Is there a possibility to set the font-style or the font itself ?
> In Arb I can set a body-font, but this matters only for the title
> of the clicklist-field, not for data which i assign later...

The clicklistv object has a pointer to a text object and a cltextview.
To change the style of the text, you could create a style object and
call text_SetGlobalStyle  on the text object (followed by a
text_NotifyObservers call) . 

> How can I let choose the user more than one entry of the clicklist
> at the same time ? Is there a method where i can find a whole
> selected range ? (And how can I find out, which button he uses to
> click on the entries? I think there is something like this in the
> valuev.ch - but I could not figure out how to let it work. It seems
> that only inputs with the left mouse-button acutally cause a callback...

The clicklist view was designed as a simple way to get back a single
clicked-upon string from the user, and these options are simply not
supported. You could make your own subclass of clklist or cltextview
that would support these, or you could try using the stringtable object
(atk/util/strtbl.c). If you need a quick option that doesn't require
programming, you could use the menterstrv view , and just tell your
users to type an X after each choice that applies. See the Adew
reference manual for info on menterstrv.

	Good luck,
		Tom