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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Nouvelles des Nordiques (15 oct)
Summary: Contracts
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:03:38 GMT
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Organization: AT&T

In article <Bw5x9p.JED@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, bouchard@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Marco Bouchard ETUDIANT sept-dec 92) writes:
> As you may notice, Nolan, Hextall, Ricci and Sundin signed for a long time.
> The reason is: Les Nordiques wants to overpass the crisis about the rocketing
> of the salaries in the NHL. Everybody knows that some teams are going to
> bankrupt with those too high salaries and les Nordiques don't want to be
> a part of it. That's a wise move...

But in this day and age the length of a contract means absolutely
nothing.  If the salary a player signs for this year is lower than
the salary of similar players two-years from now, he will holdout
in attempt to have his contract renegotiated.

Hextall held out a few years ago in hopes of having his contract
renegotiated.  I'm sure there are other examples in hockey.  There
are plenty of examples in the other major sports.

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From: shipley@ug.cs.dal.ca (CHRISTOPHER JAMES A SHIPLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pivonka..Pivonka....where are U??
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:36:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Can anyone please tell me what happened to Pivonka(i know hes got a groin pull but how bad is it) and when he is likely to be back??

Thanks a lot
-mike
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 11:03:43 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh's faceoff men

>I think one of the most underrated parts of the Penguins' team
>(and one of the most underrated aspects of hockey in general)
>is faceoffs. They have two of the best faceoff men in the league
>with Ron Francis and Bryan Trottier. Speak as you might about 
>Mario and Jagr and Stevens and... but the fact is that winning
>the faceoff sets everything up all to often.

I didn't know that the Islanders will let Bryan on the ice to take
face-offs for Pittsburgh. :)

I'll put my money on Ronnie Francis in defensive zone face-offs any day
(and Bryan will be missed there).

Mom.
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bruins: Good News/Bad News
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:07:42 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

I supppose it depends on your perspective, but first the bad news:

The Boston Globe reports today that Cam Neely may need additional arthro-
scopic surgery to remove cartilage pieces that have apparently become
dislodged during recent workouts. Neely is seeking additional medical
opinions at the advice of his agent, who voiced concerns that the Bruin's
recommended doctor who worked on Neely was also the same guy who oversaw the
end of Gord Kluzak's career due to knee problems. Sinden is now saying the
team must be prepared to go without Neely for the season, if that is what it
takes to heal the knee right. The guess is that Neely's kneecap has been off
track, and that has caused an additional soft spot in the cartilage. His knee
is once again "clicking" which indicates pieces of cartilage have broken 
off. There has been swelling and some pain since last weekend's workout.
(The agent is MArk Perone, the doctor is Dr. Bert Zarins)

The good news:
- Kvartalnov scored twice against San Jose last night, and had an assist. This
  gives him 5 goals in 4 games
- Darren Banks had 2 goals and an assist. Obviously, he is the sniper the
  Bruins have been looking for. Also, he seems to be getting fewer penalties
  than he draws other players into. When he is fouled, he does not retaliate
  stupidly. and I remember 2 or 3 instances where his restraint has meant a
  Boston power play. His goals last night were pretty flukey, but they count.
  I must say the funniest part was watching him go for a hat trick. If anyone
  had included that in a pre-season prediction, they would have been 
  quarantined.
- San Jose was without their top line (Faloon, Garpenlov, Craigswell) but
  still made a game of it for 2 periods. The plus for the Bruins is that
  they kept working and scoring rather than laying back like the game last
  year that they won 7-6 in spite of being outplayed by the Sharks.
- Leach had 2, Roberts 1, Murphy 1 (8 total). Moog looked good.
  D. Sweeney got thrown out (5 major + game gate) for a check into the boards
  from behind.

On the Shark's front, it is hard to tell if Hayward let in 8 goals because
he is not good enough, or if it was lack of support. To me, this gets back
to the Jarmo Myllys question. In judging if a goalie is of NHL caliber, is
playing for an expansion team a valid test? I don't think it is. I have to
agree with one of the folks who responded on the Euro-goalie issue that
having Irbe play in the minors was better than having him sub in the NHL.
From the looks of things, he'll get a chance soon, if only to rest the
other Shark's goalies.

Matt
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Gimme a Bay Light
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:21:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct14.082124.9872
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

Gimme a (Tampa) BAY LIGHT(ning)!                   Tampa_____Bay
                                                     /../     \
A third less talent than your regular team.         /../       \
                                                   /../       //\
Less thrilling?                                   |../       //..|
                                                  |./__     //_..|
Plays great!                                      |.../      //..|
                                                  |../_    //....|
                                                   \../  //...../
Not only did Tampa get its first road point in      \/ //....../
Chicago on Sunday, it got its first road win in     ///___LIGHTNING
St. Louis on Tuesday. The key: defense. Other      //
than 3 PP goals against Chicago, the defense      /
has been the key to the team's short-term
success, even in the 2-1 loss to Minnesota.

Don't sell the house and move south, or pick them to make the playoffs, but
look for good games in the near future. Hopefully, they will play the way they
are playing now on Friday (vs. Buffalo) when they are on ESPN for all to see.

A proper game report tomorrow (oh yes, the score: TB 2 StL 1).

Tom
wilson@cs.ucf.edu - net contact for the Tampa Bay Lightning
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From: colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald)
Subject: Mon. at Ott.(Hammond's penalties)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:16:37 GMT


	Just a quick question here. I saw the 3rd period of the Montreal at
	Ottawa game, and I saw Hammond's(Ott.) headbutting(5min) and
	kneeing(2min) penalties. I always thought that if you received
	penalties like that your team was 2 men short for 2 minutes, and
	one man short for the remainder of the 5 minutes. If my memory is
	correct, Ottawa had only one man off when play resumed. Three seconds
	later Savard(Mon.) got a penalty and I flicked over to the Jays vs
	Oakland game so I lost track of the penalty time.

	Did I miss something, or did the player sitting out Hammond's time
	(he was ejected) serve seven minutes? Or, is this part of the new
	NHL rules? Or, have I always been confused by the rule? Or, was I
	just amazed by the Ottawa jersey's having a condom logo on the
	front? :-)


	Thanks muchly,
		Colin Mac D.
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: Re: New Minor League Hockey Magazine/Paper
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:29:38 GMT

I saw the new mag put out by the AHL called Rinkside. I was NOT
impressed. It was very superficial and was not particularly in
depth. I guess I had to expect that considering it was an insert
to the game program (free). The only thing that I liked was
the interview with AHL president Jack Butterfield (who will
be retiring in 1994).

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of sport as more than a game."	---Dave Kindred, on the 1972 Olympics
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FLYERS 6   DEVILS 4   YAY! =)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 02:55:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Lindros scored the winning goal on a breakaway as the Flyers
scored 3 goals in the 3rd period to win.  Need I say more.

Mike Cornell
mac18@po.cwru.edu

Boy I wish I was in back in Philly Now!
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:19:57 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: KONTOS (was -- Re: OJANEN/RUUTTU?
	<Bw1JtF.22y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>


On 13-Oct-92 in KONTOS  (was -- Re: OJANEN/..
user EVAN pritchard@s.psych.u writes:
>hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
> 
>>PS. I think that Chris Kontos played here for Ilves (Tampere) some years ago.
>>    His credit was something like 16 goals in 44 games (?). He wasn't
>>    any 'superstar', but I think that the management was quite satisfied
>>    with his performance.
> 
>In my 1990-91 NHL Guide, Kontos is listed as having played for Ilves
>twice - once in 1985-86, and again in 1988-89.  The suspicious thing
>is that the stats are the same for each of these years:  16 goals,
>15 assists, 30 PIM in 36 games.  Could someone check this out to see
>if one of these entries is wrong?  It's empirically possible, of
>course, but it seems unlikely to me.  

Hmmm......

The 1992-93 NHL Official Guide & Record Book says Kontos only played for
IIves once, in 85-86, with the numbers Evan Pritchard quotes.  According
to this year's guide, Kontos played for EHC Kloten in the Swiss league
in 88-89, with 33 goals and 22 assists in 36 games.

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
    Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: tears...Pirates choke again
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:41:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Speaking of choke.

My roommate and I were trying to figure out if this is the year
of the choke, or is it the beginning of the year of the anti-choke.

Football: Bills choke
Basketball: Blazers choke
Hockey: Rangers choke (Not that Blackhawks couldn't qualify)
Baseball: Priates choke

Now the question is, does Toronto's victory revers the trend?!
If so, it's the year of the anti-choke now!
Put your money on the New York Rangers!

Of course, the Oakland A's won the division four times and only
walked away with one crown, so they might be chokers as well.
So who knows.

"Have another doughnut!"   I love it!

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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR 8 OCT 1992
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:35:50 GMT



NHL STANDINGS FOR 8 OCTOBER 1992

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     PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE           CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE
     PATRICK           ADAMS               NORRIS             SMYTHE

      W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts
NJD   1  0  0   2  MTL   1  0  0   2  STL   1  0  0   2  LAK   1  0  0   2
WAS   1  0  0   2  BOS   0  0  0   0  TMP   1  0  0   2  WIN   1  0  0   2
PHI   0  0  1   1  BUF   0  0  0   0  CHI   0  1  0   0  VAN   1  0  0   2
PIT   0  0  1   1  OTT   0  0  0   0  MIN   0  1  0   0  SJS   0  0  0   0
NYR   0  0  0   0  QUE   0  0  0   0  DET   0  1  0   0  EDM   0  1  0   0
NYI   0  1  0   0  HFD   0  1  0   0  TOR   0  1  0   0  CAL   0  1  0   0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chicago Blackhawks (0-0-0)     1   1   1   -   3
Tampa Bay Lightning (0-0-0)    5   2   0   -   7

Chris Kontos, playing in his first NHL contest in over a year, scored
four goals to lead the Lightning to victory in their first-ever NHL
game.  With the four goals, Kontos has scored half as many as his
career best.

FIRST PERIOD-- 1, Tampa Bay, Kontos 1 (Zamuner,Creighton), 4:43 (pp).  2,
  Tampa Bay, Kontos 2 (Tucker,Zamuner), 5:41 (pp).  3, Chicago, Russell 1
  (Belfour), 13:19.  4, Tampa Bay, Semenov 1 (McRae,DiMaio), 13;50.  5, 
  Tampa Bay, Hodge 1 (Reekie,Zamuner), 14:09.  6, Tampa Bay, Bergevin 1 
  (DiMaio), 17:21 (pp).

SECOND PERIOD--  7, Tampa Bay, Kontos 3 (Reekie), 11:33.  8, Chicago, 
  Noonan 1 (Grimson), 17:06.  9, Tampa Bay, Kontos 4 (Reekie,Crossman), 
  19:32.

THIRD PERIOD--  10, Chicago, Goulet 1 (Graham,Smith), 14:44.

Shots on goal-- Chicago 8-8-10--26.  Tampa Bay 12-5-7--24.  Power-play
  opportunities-- Chicago 0 of 8; Tampa Bay 4 of 11.  Goalies-- Chicago,
  Belfour, 0-1-0 (24 shots-17 saves).  Tampa Bay, young, 1-0-0 (26-23).
  A--10,425.

Referee-- Bill McCreary.  Linesmen-- Gord Broseker, Pat Dapuzzo.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thursday, 8 October 1992:

     Hartford (0-1-0) at Boston (0-0-0), 7:35pm EST
     Montreal (1-0-0) at Ottawa (0-0-0), 7:35pm EST
     NY Islanders (0-1-0) at Pittsburgh (0-0-1), 7:35pm EST
     Quebec (0-0-0) at Buffalo (0-0-0), 7:35pm EST
     St. Louis (1-0-0) at Minnesota (0-1-0) 8:05pm EST
     Edmonton (0-1-0) at Calgary ((0-1-0), 9:35ppm EST
     Winnipeg (1-0-0) at San Jose (0-0-0), 10:35pm EST
     Detroit (0-1-0) at Los Angeles (1-0-0), 10:35pm EST

-JPC (for SPIKE)


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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: What's with the WINGS!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:07 GMT
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Organization: AT&T


	What is going on with the Red Wings! No, it's not time to press the
panic button yet, but are these guy playing bad or what! Have they always
been slow out of the gate?? If they are going to trade Jimmy Carson, get it
over with! And the sooner the better. If they are not going to trade him
fine, but do it or NOT NOW!!! 

- Dan 
  Wings in 92'-93'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pacifiers in honor of Lindros
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:35:48 -0400 
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I understand that at tonight's Flyers/Nordiques game in Le Colisee, Quebec
City radio station CHIK will be handing out pacifiers to the first 3000 fans
who think Eric is a big baby.


====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
    Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:39:14 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: tears...Pirates choke again

This coming from a Penguins season ticket holder, the Pirates blew it again.
You come down from 3-1 and to come this close, c'mon Bucs - didn't you learn
how to finish it off like the Penguins finished off the Capitals with the
empty netter?  It appeared that 2 Pittsburgh sports teams were going to make
incredible comebacks!!!!  Here's why the Pirates CHOKED this time....
    1. Drabek was too nervous and tired.  He never pitches balls over the head
of opposing batters.  He must have thrown 4,5 pitches that were up by the
necks of some Atlanta batters.
    2. Lind was nervous.  A possible Gold Glove winner this year booting a
routine grounder.  This is definitely a case of the jitters.
    3. Belinda too nervous.  Or was Belinda just Belinda?  Learn how to get
the ball down.  Early in the season, Stan Savaran said this will be the year
whether Belinda decides to become a dominating reliever or just remain a
mediocre pitcher...well now we know (sigh)...
    4. McCarver is a genius again.  He said why take Coles out?  Well, who
knows if Alex would've made the catch, but he would have been damn close, a
lot closer than Epsy.
    5. The Pirates played a great game for 8 1/2 innings, but to take the
banner away from the defending champions, you have to play 9 innings - not
8 and 2/3.....
    *** In all fairness, home field advantage means a lot - that ball died in
the outfield on the game winning hit.  If the game was in Pittsburgh, Sid
Bream would've been a dead duck at the plate.  ***
    Once again, there is no joy in Pittsburgh, baseball's winningest team of
the 90's has fell one out short.
     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     "Get me past Atlanta and I'll win the World Series for you." - (former?)
Pirate Barry Bonds.......................................see you in '93 - RP
From: palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Enough with Lindros; watch a real team play!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:58:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

v113jc9g@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Swanni) writes:

>                               LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!
>                               1992-1993 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS!!

	I think I remember someone writing something like this last year...

	  		look what happened then!


	I won't chant 1940, but can I remind you of 1991-1992?
From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bob Sweeny becomes a Sabre
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:40:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Robert Winkel writes:

> Well all I can say is...Thank You very much Boston for GIVING him to the
> Sabres!!! In 2 games he has 3 goals and 4 or 5 assists. Not bad for a
> "waste product" huh?  I think he fits in very nicely as the Sabres third
> line center. With production like that, who can argue.

Give? Buffalo had to fork over the waiver fee to claim him.

You're probably thinking that Bob Sweeney is the next coming of Mario Lemieux
... just give this thing a little time ... the real Bob Sweeney will show up
real soon and you'll like him even more :)

> I'll bet Meehan and Muckler are smiling from ear to ear by now and Boston
> maybe, just maybe, kicking themselves in the ass.

Actually, Boston is smiling from ear to ear.

> I can't wait to see what Sweeney does when the Sabres play Boston. Sweeney
> used to kill the Sabres, I guess it's time he returns the favor to Boston.
> :) :)

Sweeney? Kill the Sabres ... all by himself? I'll always thought that the
Bruins and the Sabres were closely matched, and any victory by the Bruins
were
due to a consistent team effort.

> Thanks again Boston!!!
>
> Robb

You're welcome ... have fun with Bob Sweeney!

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:08:43 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Penguins 6, Sabres 5


Jim Murawski writes:

>The strangest thing about the Pens quick three goals last night was that they
>coincided with the Pirates 8-run 2nd inning.
> 
>Here it was 4-3, Buffalo, and half the Arena had their headset radios tuned
>in to the Pirates game, and many others were watching the TV's in the super
>boxes or press box through binoculars.
> 
>Barry Bonds hits a homer to make it 1-0.  The Arena erupts in cheers (and it
>really was out of place, since the play on the ice didn't warrant a cheer at
>the time).  10 seconds later, the scoreboard gave the baseball score and the
>place erupted in cheers again.  1/2 of a minute later, Jaromir Jagr scored
>to tie the Pens game at 4-4 - place went crazy again.  Right after this, the
>Pirates got two more runs on a double - cheers.  Score was posted - cheers.
>Kevin Stevens scored - cheers.  Right after that, the Pirates got
another run -
>cheers.  Score was posted - cheers.  Larry Murphy scored - cheers.  All
of this
>happened within about 5 minutes of real time.  It was wierd.

It was not only weird, it was one of most exciting experiences I've ever
had so early in a hockey season.

During that segment which Jim describes, Mario did one of his "I'm going
to control the puck for about 40 seconds" routines.  He skated circles
around the Sabres and the other Pens were "buzzing like bees around a hive,"
to quote Mike Lange.  We were standing and screaming -- there's just no
other way to respond to Mario when he does that.  And all the while cheering
for the Pirates.  (I was one of the people with a walkman -- I had the
volume up as high as it would go and I often couldn't hear above the noise
in the arena.  The only time I remember such noise was when we SWEPT the
Rangers in '89.)

After Mario's performance (he actually was awesome throughout most of the
game) the guy behind me said, "Life without Mario.  Wonder what it will be
like.  I don't want to think about it."  Amen.

Mom.


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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: Maple Leaf Gardens
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:22:17 GMT

In article <92Oct09.164848.17229@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>In article <BvoGz8.L1u@acsu.buffalo.edu> v165nqxp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joe Mikolic) writes:
>>I've finally been able to get tickets for regular season Leafs game.
>>However, the only tickets I could get were standing room only. Could
>>anybody familiar with Maple Leaf Gardens give some advice on where to
>>stand in the Gardens?  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Joe Mikolic
>
>The Leafs sell out? Is this some kind of sick joke?
>I am quite serious. Nothing against the Leafs especially,
>but they've been so awful for so long that it's hard to believe
>
>-- 
I know, it's hard to believe, but the Leafs sell out the Maple Leaf
Gardens on a regular basis, no matter how poorly the Leafs do.  That's
one of the reasons Harold Ballard was able to make money on mediocre 
teams for so long (IMHO).  I'll say one thing about Toronto, they have
real die-hard fans.

Charlie

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