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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Michigan State!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:43:27 CST

In article <1993Jan25.231637.15401@leland.Stanford.EDU> hoff@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Eric Hoffman) writes:
>
>I really don't see the NCAA not inviting any team that goes 9-9 in Big 10
>play.  Some team might even make it in at 8-10.

I don't think so.  The new requirements that have forced many teams down to
27 games in a season have left many teams without enough "W"'s to get in
the Big Dance with an 8-10 record.  For example, Wisconsin at 7-2
preconference would be 15-12, with a loss to Loyola (Chicago).  That
probably wouldn't do it, unless they were to win against IU and at
Michigan, which will not happen.  Even at 9-9, which would make them 16-11,
they'd have to have a major upset, i.e. IU.  Beating Purdue up here would
be tantamount to their victories over TOSU and Minnesota up here, and I'm
not really sure those are major upsets, if upsets at all.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Ohio State!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:14:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.214005.26234@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Wisconsin   76
>Ohio State  67
>
>grabbed the lead, by about 5, I believe.  Then Wisconsin put in Jeff
>Petersen (my favorite player, currently), and he scored a quick 8 points,
>putting Wisconsin back in the lead.  Then Michael Finley took over, making
>some highlight film plays:

Finley was awesome - one of the best individual performances I've seen
in a while.  Petersen was also a key in the win, because his primary
contribution came at the turning point in the game.

>Funderburke was conspicuously absent from this game, scoring only 4

Funderburke has been absent for a few games in a row.  I don't know
what's going on with him, but Ohio State will not make the big dance
unless he starts showing up.

Dudley was also a no-show.  This was a game that Ohio State should
have been able to dominate on the inside, but didn't.  More power
to Wisconsin, I guess.

>
>Next up for Bucky is Michigan State on the road, Saturday at noon CST.
>Wisconsin still hasn't proven that it can win on the road in the Big 10,
>and it will be interesting to see if Jackson can change that, since the
>next three games are at MSU, Illinois, and Penn State.  1-2 in these games
>would be satisfactory, though 2-1 is not out of reach, although the Badger
>faithful know better than to expect road victories.

In terms of reaching the next level (winning a few on the road), me thinks
Wisconsin is still a year, and a Rashard Griffith, away.

david
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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Last Weeks AP10
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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: NOTE: Dean will never schedule a game against Kansas, Georgetown, Indiana
:        or any UNC system schools (UNCC, UNCA, UNCW, UNCG, NC A&T, others).

Is Duke a UNC system school?  (I know they have no choice in the scheduling
of Duke.)  I was wondering because of the Bob K-Coach K thing.

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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Dairy Products of the Big 10 (was: Re: UVA beats Duke @ Cameron!!!!...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:06:22 GMT

jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC) writes:
>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>>In article <80790@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
>>writes:

>>> I almost hate to ask this, but then:
>>> 
>>> 1) Which one is the chocolate milk?

>>Lou Henson's Toupee Glue.

>>> 2) Which one is the strawberry milk?

>>Gene Keady's Hair Tonic.


>But where does Lou's Orange Jacket (tm) fit in?

Ever see a cow lift its tail???  :)

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: Ron Bayless (was: Best defensive guard)
Keywords: He doesn't play in the ACC
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:32:20 GMT

In <michaelv.727557961@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:

>More info on Iowa State's Ronnie Bayless, the best defensive guard in
>the country.  :)

>Defensively, he has gotten 34 steals so far this season.  His partner,

So who is leading the country in steals this year?


-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)

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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: The 30-4 run
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:59:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.040846.22937@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
pchu@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Darkwing Duck) writes pompously:

>As ESPN sportswatchers have just witnessed, perhaps one of the finest game
>so far this year on ESPN.  Trailing 73-52, the North Carolina Tar Heels, on
>the strength of 5 straight 3-pointers, rallied to beat the Florida State
>Seminoles 82-77.  A GREAT game byt two great teams.
>
>GO HEELS!

I beg to differ, but two wrongs don't make a right.  What transpired was
remarkable for its improbability, but not much else.

How can you call a game "perhaps one of the finest game [sic] so far this
year on ESPN"? given the *piddly* way NC played until the comeback time,
which, if my mental notes are correct, was 3/4s of the total time???

How can you call it a good game when the other team inexplicably folds and
*literally quits playing!!!* when the score evens out.  FSU has got to be
one of the least poised, mentally-unready teams with winning records in the
decent conferences.  How streaky can you get!  Even down by one point in
the closing minutes they could have easily won the game had they not
decided in their heart of hearts that they lost it already.  Losers.

I suggest the Tar fans should not so much rejoice in their team's comeback
as worry about the inconsistency.  -23 against Duke, Kentucky, IU won't be
quite as amenable to three-point shooting...

I have yet to see better basketball this season than the Michigan/IU game,
where both teams pretty much did everything right.

				-- Marek
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cherokee Parks is is WAAAAAAAAAAAY Overrated
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:27:26 GMT
Organization: UW Department of Fisheries
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In article <C1I855.9tn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:
> Also, don't you all think that Ed O'Bannon is also very overrated?

Not really.  Parks has been hailed as the next Bill Walton for years, while Ed
O'Bannon quietly earned playing time and developed into the Bruins best player.

GT
From: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: #1 UK/Vandy thoughts
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 


Jeffrey Burch writes:
JN>And as for NBA careers, fortunately not every college basketball
JN>player aspires to this.  Most know (or should know) the odds against
JN>them.  Whether this is a reasonable criteria of coaching success is
JN>hard to say.  But I'd be cautious - if Pitino were to stick around
JN>for 20 years, he's off to a good start with potential pros.  Mash
JN>is a lock, Rhodes looks good, and there are others coming down
JN>the line who might make it too.  Let's discuss this again in 20 years!

AND not every athelete on a basketball scholarship is a Rhodes scholar.
Ask any college basketball player if they would like to play in the NBA,
and unless they are going to Law School or into Medicine, etc., will say
YES (in BIG LETTERS). I don't know many college basketball players that
are now doctors or lawyers. I hope we are BOTH around in 20 years to
discuss this. <g>

JN>Poor Joe Hall.  Was there ever a coach more misunderstood?   :-)

He sure was. He only won an NCAA championship, but I guess it was the
way he did it. <whew>

JN>There are lots of us who'd like to see him go after in-state players
JN>a little more.  If he can ever grab a player from Louisville away
JN>from UofL...   :-)

Dream on. <smile> Winston Bennett was the exception (his high school
coach isn't particularly fond of Denny) and he may live to regret his
decision, unless of course he moves to Lexington.

 gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:23:38 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <57736@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> Rodney has 2 funadmental flaws. He is not a good offensive player(limited
> shooter, bad passer) and he attracts fouls like a magnet. He is a good

It seems like all of the UCLA bigmen pick up stupid fouls. Why? 

> Petruska who has just disappeared off the map since the ASU game. I wish
> Harrick had pulled out Rodney in the 1st half after his 3rd foul, he left
> him in, he got his 4th, so Dempsey started the 2nd half. Poor coaching
> move there.

 I couldn't figure it out either. The guy was clearly playing a great ball game
and all he needed after his third was to be sat down and told to be aware
of the foul situation and he'd probably have been OK well into the second half 
but instead they let him stay out there and he has four fouls with what ?
3 or 4 minutes left in the half?

> Edney is pretty good, the problem is he was up against a really great player
> in Jason Kidd. Kidd set him up several times by baiting him and then stealing
> the pass, you just dont see too many guys his size that are that quick.

 I think that part of the problem is that Edney doesn't have much to work
with (If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt). I mean the UCLA
bigmen with the exception of O Bannon stand around most of the time and seem 
to expect things to happen for them rather than making things happen themselves.
PErhaps what I perceive to be a weakness in Edney's game is actually his
attempt to make something from nothing more often than most guards need
to.

> >and they just don't have the quality guard play to run with most teams.
> Running is the Bruins strength, the problem is it is Cals strength too, and
> they proved yesterday they do it better than we do. I suspect the next

Running is the strength of many teams in the pac this season and judging by
UCLA's record they clearly aren't that damn good at it. How the hell do you
run with Petruska? If they intend to win without a half-court game (which
they do not have yet) then they need stronger guard play. I'm sorry
but I've seen them 5  times this season and the guard play may be better than
the play of their bigmen (petruska zimmerman zidek) but that is saying
very little I'm afraid...


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From: keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher)
Subject: Rules question
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29950]: venus
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:32:02 GMT


  Two questions actually:

#1) Excluding technical fouls, is it possible to score more than 5 points
    on a single possession?  Is there any way to score 5 other than a good
    3-pt attempt and a foul away from the shot in the double bonus?

#2) At the last game I went to, a fan tried to explain to me some rule
    change involving shooters leaning forward to draw a foul - evidently
    this is now a "player-control" foul against the shooter?  This guy
    didn't seem to really know what he was talking about, can someone fill
    me in?
								       -Wm.
From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Possesion Arrow
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:43:25 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	I've always been a little confused by the Possession Arrow itself.  
Since I usually am keeping track of the alternating possessions, I seldom 
bother to look at the arrow.
	But when I do, which way does the arrow point?  Does it point toward
the bench of the team which will get the next possession?  Does it point in
the direction the ball will be going?  And when do they switch the direction
of the arrow--when the whistle blows, when the ball is inbounded, or do they
just watch me and switch it right before I look?

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From: jpdurb01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Vandy
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:28:32 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Will someone post Vandy's schedule played this year with scores please.
Vandy is starting to impress me with wins over UK, Arkansas, and UL.

		jd

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Womens' arenas???
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:42:36 GMT


FSU women USED to play in the same place as the men (Leon County Civic Center)
last year, now they play back in thier old place...Tully Gym on campus.

Kevin

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From: cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar)
Subject: Re: Top-ranked teams, week-by-week
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: NSWCDD
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:36:52 GMT

In article <30224@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve
Williams) wrote:
> 	  Top-Ranked
>  Date        Team                      Comment
> -------   ----------  ------------------------------------------------
> Dec.  1   Michigan    Lost to #4 Duke by 11 points on Dec. 5
> Dec.  7   Duke        
> Dec. 14   Duke        
> Dec. 21   Duke        
> Dec. 28   Duke        
> Jan.  4   Duke        Lost to #10 GA Tech by 1 point on Jan. 10
> Jan. 11   Kentucky    Lost to Vanderbilt by 15 points on Jan. 13
> Jan. 18   Kansas
> Jan. 25   Kansas      Lost to Long Beach State U. by 15 pts on Jan. 25
> Feb.  1   ????
            North Carolina!!!!

Wasn't Indiana Number 1 after the NIT?  That may have been CNN-Coaches
pole.

John R Cogar                 | Always expect the worst.
cogar@mv5.nswc.navy.mil      | That way you won't be disappointed.
From: dale@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dale Strommer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:13:48 GMT
Subject: Re: A team name to consider
Organization: u-break-it, we-fix-it
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college




  I am sure you have heard this one but just in case here it is again.

  the University of California at Santa Cruz BANANA SLUGS


  I seem to recall a team from NYC called the "Violets". Was this
  Manhatten College by any chance?

  Then down in So. Cal. they have the Pepperdine Waves.

  I probably should not bring this up, but at the Univ. of Arkansas do
  they call the ladies team "The SOWS"? (I don't believe I said that.)


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From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU question
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:59:43 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: lennon@cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 28 Jan 1993 12:36:42 -0500

}} In article <LENNON.93Jan28123636@dracula.cis.ohio-state.edu> lennon@cis.ohio-state.edu (Will Lennon) writes:
}} 
}} Because Pat's not just any player.  Hell, he didn't have the talent to be
}} on the team in the first place.

Does Pat use up an atheletic scholarship, or does he go to IU free
through Bobby's contract?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu                 Steve Chapin                 ...!purdue!sjc
    loose == set free; lose == misplace, or fail to win, gain, or obtain
         their is possessive; there is a place; they're == they are

       "A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of
       human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full
                 well he will never sit."  (Elton Trueblood)
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: North Carolina #1?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:48:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I realize there is no way the AP will vote UNC #1 since Kansas did not lose,
but surely with wins at Seton Hall and Virginia, they deserve it.  Easily
the most impressive job this week by the Elite 6.

Mike
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: UNC vs. FSU: UNC player of the game
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:17:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.165200.15953@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> monemi@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Cameron Monemi) writes:
>If any of the Carolina players ever deserve special honor, it must be Lenny
>Wirtz. In all fairness UNC should just give Lenny a regular jersey (not
>that striped disguise), retire the jersey, bronze it, and hang just above
>the special commemerative statue of Lenny in the entrance to the Dean Smith
>Center!

It'll never happen, because Dean despises Lenny Wirtz.  Or at least he
claims to -- maybe it's just a clever ruse to disguise Lenny's favoritism.

But seriously, I think it is possible that the refs got caught up in the
excitement of Carolina's comeback and unconciously gave them a helping
hand.
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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: Chris Webber
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:34:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college

In article <1993Jan26.152900.11930@fwnmn38@fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com>,
rfett@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Russell S. Fett) wrote:

>Every time I watch a telecast of Michigan basketball, all I hear is how Chris
>Webber is going to leave and be the number one pick in next year's draft.  I
>think the NCAA should make it a rule that the announcers cannot speculate on
>what an underclassman might do. They are putting a lot of unwarrented pressure
>on Webber.  Maybe he wants to keep going to school.  He comes from a fairly

You're a dangerous fool, Russ. The NCAA should prohibit free speech?
Because
your star player might wise up and grab some of the millions he's bringing
your alma mater? You must have a pretty low opinion of his intellect if
you think he'll go pro because people are predicting it.

If he wants to stay at UM, nobody will kick him out. I imagine that there
will be various incentives for him to stay, in fact.

>wealthy family so he is not in desperate need for money.  I remember when
>everyone predicted that Shaq would leave LSU after his sophomore year and he
>made them all look like fools by staying another year.  I hope Chris does the
>same and makes jerks like Vitale eat their words.
> 
>I have to admit that I graduated from Michigan and am a huge fan so it is my
>hope that Webber stays another year.  But it is not only Webber that I feel
>this way about but all of the other underclassmen that are "expected" to come
>out early.  Leave them alone and enjoy college basaketball like the rest of us
>fans.
> 
>Russ Fett

I never would have guessed you for a Wolverine.
 
Why do you have expected in quotes? Are you saying that they're not
expected to go pro? Do you care at all about the players you act
so idiotically indignant for, or do you just fear that the Victors
might lose a few more games next year without Webber (and Rose)?

Some of "us fans" can enjoy college basketball without feeling entitled
to four years of indentured servitude from our favorite players.

=====
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC over FSU (what a come back)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:30:50 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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Is it my imagination or does the tres have added importance this year?
Anybody see a stat on how many they're taking in Div.I this year?

I've never seen so many teams live and die by it.


-- 
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu 
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Ohio State!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:24:25 CST

In article <1993Jan21.171426.8709@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>
>In terms of reaching the next level (winning a few on the road), me thinks
>Wisconsin is still a year, and a Rashard Griffith, away.

Perhaps, but Rashard isn't all they've gotten.  Apparantly, this Jalil
Roberts guy from St. Anthony's HS in New Jersey (Hurley Sr.'s team) has had
his stock/rating go way up.  A lot of Big East coaches are kicking
themselves now, because they didn't recruit him very earnestly.  At worst,
he is about as talented as Finley coming out of high school.  Darnell
Hoskins has been having a great year at guard, and should easily be able to
be a competent backup for Webster.
-- 

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Homecourt Advantage
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:10:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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North Carolina and IU both rallied last night to win on their home floors.

I have to give UNC credit, they made 5 straight 3-ptrs.  But, IMHO, the
referees took over from there.  I can't say exactly how many fouls were not
called on UNC during the huge rally, but the referees were obviously ignoring
blatant UNC fouls.

I understand there was a hokey 5-sec call in the IU game, but all I saw at the
end was an IU player smacking a Minnesota player in the arm (i.e., foul) on
Minnesota's last drive, the ball dribbles out of bounds, no call.

I bet the losing teams will get similar breaks on their home floors later this 
year.  I'm just sorry basketball has to have this sort of thing, but it's
reality.  Luckily, the real games are played on neutral floors (NCAA
Tournament).  Flame away, UNC/IU fans. ;-)

Mike
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