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Subject: Re: Taekwondo (on the outside, looking in)
From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:43:37 -0600
Distribution: world



>   >>I agree re: TKD Times, but I read the first issue of Inside Taekwondo and
>   >>thought it was solid Cheez Whiz (Velveeta?).  Jumping turning side kick
>   >>to the head as a counter to a reverse punch, INDEED!  
>   >
>   >   .... too simple for ya, right, Mary?
>   >
>   >-Lauren
> 
> Exactly!  What's wrong with a 360 roundhouse followed by a jumping axe kick?

Everything.  For one thing, it's not flashy enough.  I mean, we see
Jean Claude do those every time we watch one of his hoaky movies.  Now,
if we want to impress someone, we need to do some real moves.

First deliver a thunderkick (high forward kick that contacts the underside 
of the chin, powered by a completed backflip of the person delivering it, 
sort of like a Wushu walkover), followed by a flying hammer (jump up high 
and deliver a knee strike to the opponent's face), and then you finish 
off with a double donkey kick (handplant for balance and support is 
optional).  That'll teach 'em to try a reverse punch on you!!

To all a good roundhouse,

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.agc.edu
From: trose@next.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bully seminar, outline
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: trose@next.com

In article <1992Apr7.131137.24864@relay.nswc.navy.mil>  
snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:


Steve,

Your course looks fundementally correct.  Please, Please, Please,
take out all references to any potentially maiming techniques.
I am referring especially to mentioning of stiking the knee and
groin.  Although you are talking about bullies, remember you are
still talking to impressionable children.

trose@next.com
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:05:19 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr10.202348.198@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:

>   Actually, these guards are surely designed to prevent the user's own
>   hand from slipping onto the blade by accident.  A European-style guard
>   would probably just get in the way of the proper handling of the katana.  
>   From my understanding of kenjutsu, one tries to avoid clashing of blades 
>   anyway; if your opponent would have hit close enough to cut your hands, 
>   it would have been a small matter to change the angle and slash your 
>   wrists instead, thus making the handguard just extra baggage --

This seems to be the most common response (that it keep the hand from
slipping onto the blade). This is *very* primitive...the original
purpose of the guard in fact...it is equivalent in european terms to
that found on roman and celtic swords. A really good european (say a
basket guard as found on scots broadswords) guard does not simply defend
the hand. It can used to trap or break blades and if your guard position
is good, protects the whole body. I can see how it would not be feasible
to fit such a guard to a katana (2 handed) though.

Ollie...
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:05:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: xlnt.1009
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Apr13.032539.5712@odin.diku.dk>, dat1278@diku.dk (Stefan Krabbe) writes:
|> minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:
|> >2.  What should go through one's mind while sparring?  Nothing should go
|> >through your mind while sparring.  You are supposed to pay attention to 
|> >your opponent.  Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
|> >center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
|>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> I don't think this is true.
|> I think it is wise to hide your spirit (intentions) and NOT in any way communicate
|> what your next move might be. Therefore I also think it is unwise to rely on
|> where your opponents eyes are looking. I can't say where you should look. I
|> think that the most important thing is to try to read your opponent...and
|> that the best way to do this is to NOT focus on anything particular, but to
|> try to grasp "the whole".

I believe the most advanced students will not telegraph their intentions in
any way including with the eyes.  This is not easy to attain this level of
skill but I am sure the best will have attained this level.

I agree that it is important to read one's opponent.  That includes knowing
when your opponent is trying to deceive you.  I like to use deception when I
spar.  I have gone against people who think where I glance is my target and I
use that against them by glancing at one target but striking another.  I know
I am not alone in that strategy.  Most if not all styles have deception techniques
in them.  You must read your opponent to discover his/her true intentions, not
making any general assumptions about what any cues you may be given like the
glancing assumption made by minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com unless you are against a
lesser skilled person whom you know telegraphs his/her intentions in some way.
Even so, that person may realize (it would be nice if you told the person) what 
(s)he is doing and stop.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:20:19 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Multiple attackers

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes :
> 
> >      From what I understand, if you have 2 or more opponents, you
> > pick one of them (hopefully the weakest one), attack him/her (as
> > opposed to waiting for them to attack you), and hopefully toss them
> > into the position which you previously occupied.
> 
>   I agree with David Poore, you should deal with the strongest one
>   first.  You might as well get it over with, while you're fresh.  
>   In particular, your first action (before contact) is the one where 
>   you are most able to manipulate timing effects; after initial 
>   contact, your actions may be forced one way or another.

	This sounds like a good idea if you're a slow runner, and have
to stick around and fight. I was thinking along the lines of "break
out of the ring, and run like hell..."
	For that, I'll take the weakest exit point :-)

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bully seminar, outline
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:17:05 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

trose writes:
>Steve,
Stephen (YA) if ya`ll don't mine :-)

>Please, Please, Please,
>take out all references to any potentially maiming techniques.
>I am referring especially to mentioning of stiking the knee and
>groin. 

There is no strike to the  knee in the ourse outline, there is a
strike to the thigh (sciatic nerve).

Take out the crotch shot?  I dunno, my niche in life is to state
the obvious, how can I take out the crotch shot?  

Thank You for your feedback!  Stephen

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From: khan@davidsys.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Silat Sumba & Filipino Martial Arts!
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:37:34 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

ORIGIN OF STICKFIGHTING ARTS OF EASTERN INDONESIA
         AND MODERN-DAY PHILIPPINES:

   Many people nowadays believe that the stickfighting
arts of the Philippines originated in the islands
of Luzon, Visaya and Min Danao. It is true that these
arts have been practiced for a long time in this area,
but they originated elsewhere, hundreds of years ago.

   This is a part of history that may not even be
recorded, but is available thru oral accounts by
people actually living and practicing the arts
in a certain part of Eastern Indonesia.

   Much southwest of the islands of modern-day 
Philippines lies the small island of Sumba.
It is in a region called the Flores sea.
The stickfighting arts of the Sumba use a short
club, to be carried in the right hand, and 
a small shield, to be worn on the left forearm.
The techniques are very similar to modern-day
system of Serrada Escrima. Serrada Escrima was
taught in the United States by the late master
Angel Cabales. 

   Thus, the origin of the Philippines martial arts
is from the Sumba stickfighting arts, known
as Silat Sumba. From the island of Sumba, these
arts migrated to the north, and reached the large
island of Kalimantan.  Kalimantan was renamed 
'Borneo' much later, I suppose, by the Europeans.
But anyway, it is still called Kalimantan by
the natives.

   From Kalimantan, these arts went thru the Sulu
sea to the central and southern regions of
the islands of the modern-day Philippines.
Much later, the area of the Sulu sea and
the southern Philippines was populated by
muslims, and the northern areas of Luzon, etc.
by Christians and followers of other religions.
Intensive strife in this region between 
the different religious groups, as well as
between the muslims [Moros] and the European
and American invaders further influenced 
development of this style of martial arts.

   It may be that the art is known as 'Kali'
because of it coming from the island of 
Kalimantan to the west of the Philippines.
Different provincial groups that practiced
these arts called it by their own names,
i.e., Estocada, Kali, Escrima, Silat,
etc. It is to be noted that the lack of any
exaggerated footwork in the short-stick [Serrada]
style is because the Sumba people were small
in stature, and fought in a thick jungle.
Also, the armies met on horseback.

   Master Leo Giron once told me that 
short-stick style is really the original
Philippine martial art. The long stick or
Largo Mano was developed at a time of 
renaissance, much later. Thru my research,
I have discovered that Silat Sumba is
really the martial art that has evolved to
become Arnis, Kali, Escrima, in modern-day
Philippines.

              regards, Khalid Khan
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Here's one for ya... (Was Re: 2 questions. Please read.)
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:14:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr11.193734.19851@cs.yale.edu> liu-edward@CS.YALE.EDU (Edward Liu) writes:

>   A couple of ideas came to me.  Knowledge of capoeria might come in handy --
>in demos of it that I've seen, capoeria-ists are just as comfortable in a
>handstand as they are on their feet (or at least the good ones are).  If you
>happen not to be a capoeria expert, I would imagine that you would try to use
>the speed that you can generate on the Rollerblades to your advantage.  Plus,
>Rollerblades would come in really handy when you run away :-).

Razor Rollerblades? ;-)
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: what do you do
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <barry.703306337@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>(He has just informed you of this fact, and has cocked his right fist 
>behind his ear. :^)  Here comes the punch, what will you do?
>	Time for atemi... (Hey, just like TKD!! ;^) 

	Time for hiji-otosh.  Or maki-otosh.  Or Osoto-makikomi.
(Whoops, that's judo... :-) 

	In fact, there are a dozen aikido techniques that are
appropriate here...
								wr

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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Kata (was Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
    <1992Apr11.222741.5356@ms.uky.edu> 
    <1992Apr12.193231.10909@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:59:26 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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In article <1992Apr12.193231.10909@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.222741.5356@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
>>
>> Is this Gojushiho (Go ju shi ho---54 steps), or is one I've not heard
>>of?
>>
>>Bud (whipping out the note book and preparing to write...)
>>
>
>	ok, kanji time...is go ju shi ho:
>			
>	go: hard
>	ju:soft
>	shi ho: something to do with shiho nage (4 corner throw)???
>
>mukund (whipping out the note book a fraction of a second later than bud...)

 Look again, pink boy!  ;-)

 These are homonyms...words that sound the same but mean different
things.  In the kata Gojushi ho, the go, ju and shi mean five, ten,
and four, and ho is step. Five tens and four = 54.

Alleged to have strong Chinese influence.

Osu!

Bud 'ichi, ni, san, shi, go, roku, shichi, hachi, ku, ju'  <===worthless
							       information ;-)

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From: rtravsky@isis.cs.du.edu (Rich Travsky)
Subject: Training Opportunities in Hong Kong?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:42:44 GMT

One of our students is 99% certain she'll get to go to Hong Kong either
late this year or early next year. She'd like to know what training
opportunites would be available. She's had dance, kenpo, and a smidgen
of jiu-jitsu.

Anyone having any information, please email me at 
     rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu

Thanks!

Rich Travsky  rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu

No animals were harmed or mistreated in the preparation and posting 
of this message.

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From: cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: 2 questions.  Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:19:25 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.


	 A couple of quick questions I'd like some opinions on:
1)
	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as high,
and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope?  Any special ideas out there?
2)
	When sparring, what goes through your head?

	I wanted to leave that last one general, so as not to "guide" your answers at all.  ("What goes through my head?  The sensei's foot!" :-)

-- 

					Aaron


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From: reanor@cs.pitt.edu (Jeffrey Getzin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Tasers
Summary: A useful self-defense weapon?   Are they legal?   Effective?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:21:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

Does anybody out there own a taser, or know someone who does?   I have
a female friend who lives in a bad neighborhood, and is looking for
a means of personal defense.

Some questions I have:

	o What kinds are there?

	o How legal are they? (Both in Pennsylvania, and in the USA
	  in general)

	o How much do they cost?

	o How effective are they?

Any information would be appreciated.   Replies in EMail preferred.

		=*()*()* Jeff *()*()*=    
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From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Repsclo
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:20:09 GMT

>Who is the publisher or _The Ronin_?  I have read it, but would like to add it
>to my collection.  I understood it was no longer in print...
>douglas lampi
>lampij@brandonu.ca

	Tuttle.


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From: merylf@brtph115.bnr.ca (Meryl W. Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.174558.15275@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.141248.3177@brtph560.bnr.ca>, @brtph115.bnr.ca (Meryl W. Freeman) writes:
>
>>...with different styles that I've travelled to in the last 9 years,
>>there's a lot of talk about energy, connection with universal energy and
>>spirit, and connection and cooperation with others (and not just Ki Society...
>>in fact, one dojo I visited in Florida had very hard, effective Aikido...
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	out of curiosity, which one was it?

It was a school in Dania (or maybe Hollywood) run by Peter Bernath who is
affiliated with Yamada Sensei. His style is USAF, Hombu. I went to about six
classes there several years ago. They did lots of koshinage, iriminage, and
believe me from the receiving end, their technique was quite solid. They
were also a great bunch of folks, informal, but serious about their training.
They talked a lot about "extension" in the energy sense. At the time, I
found it to be a nice balance of philosophy and technique. Now, I'd like to 
return and see how they've grown. Maybe next vacation...

Regards,
Meryl
 

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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Kata (was Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
    <MdtOUQi00UoJA4NGNc@andrew.cmu.edu> <willimsa.703028550@unix1.tcd.ie>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:27:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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In article <willimsa.703028550@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>
>ob-ma: There was a competition not too long ago and a Shodan did 
>Gojishioho-sho for the kata section.  The judges (albeit from wado-ryu,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Is this Gojushiho (Go ju shi ho---54 steps), or is one I've not heard
of?

Bud (whipping out the note book and preparing to write...)


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From: jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Piers McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions. Please read.
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:47:10 GMT
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Aaron Cammarata writes,

>	 A couple of quick questions I'd like some opinions on:
>1)
>	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street
somewhere, an
>d you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during training,
how do 
>you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as high,
>and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope? 
Any speci
>al ideas out there?
>2)
>	When sparring, what goes through your head?

Answer #1) Kick low. I luckily haven't been attacked yet, but my
instructor keeps reminding us of the value of a nice hard strike to the
knee or solar plexus. Funny how being unable to walk or breathe cuts
down your ability to cause trouble. Head shots look impressive, but
other moves are as (if not more) effective. As for sprains or tears,
they hurt a lot less than a fist or a knife so don't worry about it --
stop the attack and live to ice down the muscles later.

Answer #2) You'll think I'm being a smart-ass, but "Don't get hit," was
the phrase that kept bouncing around my head last time I sparred.

                                                    -- Jason

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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:40:39 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <8045@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.040743.23510@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>>   double-edged sword.  He writes to the effect that "the Chinese learned
>>   (as later did the European fencers) that the point of the sword was more
>>   effective in attacking and keeping the opponent at bay than the cutting
>>   edge."  
>[oops. deleted the part about a katana or tachi slashing the wrist]
>>   motion before the tip of a long sword would be able to reach the 
>>   kenjutsuka's body.

>Maybe not the best example. I think it is hard to dispute the claims
>that Japanese swords were the best, though I have heard some claims of
>superb craftsmanship with Chinese weapons. But here, you are making an
>assumption about the use of a straight sword that isn't correct. In
>fact, much Chinese swordsmanship focuses on attacking the wrist of the
>opponent. Just like your Samurai in above example...

And just like a fencer. The *first* thing I was told about attacking
someone with sabre was that the wrist/forearm was the primary target.
Actually I think a comparison between sabre and katana is silly. The
western style developed against unarmoured or lightly armoured opponents
(say gauntlets) whereas the japanese style developed against armoured
opponents. A kendo practicioner would lose against a fencer under
fencing rules. A fencer would lose against a kendo practicioner under
kendo rules. 

Ollie
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:39:19 GMT

In article <87pf02Ob0fqO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:

> Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
>center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
>point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.


  I never really believed this myself, looking into the opponent's eyes.
  Watching their center, I can better see their footwork, as well as any
  front instep kicks to the chin (ouch!).  

  Lovret Sensei seems to agree.  In The_Way_and_The_Power, he states that
  seniors basically defocus their eyes and watch nothing in particular,
  so looking into their eyes will tell you nothing, whereas a beginner's
  actions are so slow that (in the case of kenjutsu) "your arm will be
  cut in the wake of your block".  Relevance to karate etc. is left as
  an exercise for the reader --

  -- Ted --
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