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From: mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: wot ever happen to matt's bsd 4.4 port?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:46:19
Organization: The Dis-Orginization
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In-reply-to: rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu's message of 6 Oct 1992 13:17:36 -0500


In article <1asl80INNlgn@ub.d.umn.edu> rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu (Rob Healey) writes:

	   I would suggest that people with an Amiga and determined never
	   to pay one cent for any software running on it look into
	   helping with the Mach port. See wuarchive Amiga area for
	   current code, it needs major work before it can do more
	   than load into memory and sit there but hey, you pay for
	   software, one way or another...

Look, I _did_ pay for the Unix software. A LOT. And it didn't work. And then a month
or two later, I find out that I can get an 'upgrade' to a working version for a
couple hundred MORE dollars.  And I think how much money I will have spend and
realize I could've gotten a bitchin' PC clone with one of its free unixes for the
same amount.   I still love my amiga.  I'll probably eventually buy the UNIX 
'upgrade' when I get another job and have the dough to throw away on things like
it.

Until then, I have lots of time and very little money, so, supporting the Mach
port is definitely the thing for me to do. Now that I know it exists...


	   By the way, 2.1 AmigaUNIX is a decent SVR4 UNIX, in vast contrast to
	   1.1, but you have to be an "evil" capitalist that believes in paying
	   money for things in order to get it and be a rich pig with a 3000 or
	   heavily upgraded 2500 to use it... 1/2 B^).

I've already got the 3000 and really love it.

--
ERic mehlhaff					Hoser at large
mehlhaff@soda.Berzerkeley.EDU
mehlhaff@ocf.berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: RAM prices, and "Re: Purchasing UNIX"
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

I just bought another 4MB of SCRAM for my 3000, and I thought I'd pass
on the information:

    (8) 1MBx4 70ns, ZIP Static Column RAMs were $12/chip, $204.70 for 8MB

(a friend of mine went in on the order and each bought half of the 8MB.)

bh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Hawkins) writes:
>I am thinking about purchasing UNIX for my Amiga but I would first like
>to know how much memory I should have and how much Hard disk space I
>should have if I want to be able to run either AmigaDOS or UNIX.  Also,
>what is the cost of UNIX for the Amiga and where can I get it?

If you want ADOS and Amix to reside on the same drive, figure about
180M+ of disk space.  That leaves ya' ~40M for ADOS and 140M for Amix:
swap space (varies, but guestimate ~24M), root filesystem, and optional
packages (TCP/IP, lpd, man pages, X server source, gcc source, etc).

For RAM it depends on what you're going to do with the machine.  For X
Windows, which likes bitmapped windows, a bare minimum is 8MB.  And
the more junk you're going to run concurrently the more RAM you'll
want.  Also, having more RAM allows you to increase the number of
cache slots for mounted filesystems making disk access faster.

And if you've seen this newsgroup over the last week or so, GET A TAPE
DRIVE AND BACK UP YOUR MACHINE!  (Someone had posted about accidentally
wiping out a filesystem and wanted to know how to get "just a few files"
off of it.  "That's easy -- load the backup tape!").

>Thanks,
>Brian Hawkins (bh00@andrew.cmu.edu)

My pleasure.
-- 
Frank "Crash" Edwards            Perceptual Technologies, Inc.
Fax:  813/786-6526               [Our office is moving; watch this space
Home: 813/786-3675               for the new phone number.]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (The Bewildered One)
Subject: Re: wot ever happen to matt's bsd 4.4 port?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:25:26 GMT

dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:

>In article <1askfcINN2ia@ub.d.umn.edu> rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu (Rob Healey) writes:
>>In article <Bvo3Jz.E9B@acsu.buffalo.edu> jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy) writes:
>>=Was it completed? I haven't heard anything on it in quite a while and
>>=was just wondering...
>>=

>    I think, people, that we should consider the BSD port dead.  I hate to
>    have to abandon a project and, really, it isn't so much the lawsuit as
>    my running out of time, but mach has got the best chance now.

Yes the mach sounds fine, the kernal will get the job done. But how about 
an OS.  The likely one would be the BSD.  Sure you could go nuts and try
an amigaOS emulation ( and i would like wish the best of luck for that).
Not that there are other OS's but none that are good and cheap.

Martin
From: hessmann@unipas.fmi.uni-passau.de (Georg Hessmann)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: New Hard Disk don't work with Amiga UNIX
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:57:17 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany

Hello,

some days before I asked if there are possible problems
with Amiga UNIX and some hard disk.
No one replayed, so I thought, all will be ok.

Now I've got my new hard disk (IBM 0663-L12 1GB 3,5")
and tried it...

AmigaDOS  - all work fine and fast.
AmigaUNIX - no luck :-((

I've booted AmigaUNIX from the two install disks and
have selected 'install' at the boot script.
After that the script writes something like
"Scanning SCSI bus for disks..." at the monitor
and wait's forever. The hard-disk LED of my Amiga
3000 remains green forever, too.

Next attempt: I've booted UNIX from an other disk and 
have tried to mount a partition from my new IBM disk.
Same reaction, hard-disk LED gets green and the machine
stops.


So, what can be the problem???

I can't change anything at the drive, because it don't have
any jumpers exept for SCSI id and auto start.
Is there a patch for AmigaUNIX so that it do work with more 
different hard disks?

How big is the chance for success, if I replace my IBM disk
with a Seagate ST 11200N (1GB 3,5") disk?
(success == AmigaUNIX and AmigaDOS do work with the disk :)


Please help...

	Georg.

-- 
  hessmann@unipas.fmi.uni-passau.de		(Georg He_mann)
						(Oberer Markt 7/D-8712 Volkach)
From: rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Amix Boot Problems
Keywords: 200-block temp file-system; restore data vs. reinstall
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:53:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <BvqD1M.JqG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> riesterb@fe844.cc.purdue.edu (Brett Riester) writes:
=But what if the 200-block tmp fs just wrote over something non-essential?
=Besides, I don't think any physical writing was actually done; the 200-block
=tmp fs was just ALLOCATED; the data previously there is still physically there,
=just the links to it are gone.  And if anything is physically gone, it's
=not more than that 200-blocks; isn't there a way to get back at least SOME
=of the data that WASN'T overwritten?
=
	The first 200 blocks of root are VERY essentail, i.e. the superblock
	and whole inode table if you used s5. If you used ufs there is a
	remote chance of using ufs fsck + a known backup superblock, did
	you write them down?, to recover the partition. My guess is it
	won't work though because you would have to know about the first
	backup superblock address above the 200th block.

	Read the Bach and Leffler books about System V and BSD filesystem
	guts. The short answer is no, you cannot easily, or with anything
	execpt extreme difficulty, get the data back. With a ufs file
	system it is theoretically possible to get most of it back by
	telling fsck where a backup superblock is stored.

	The layout of UNIX filesystems is very different from micro OS's,
	that's why a backup to tape of the whole disk is the easiest why
	to get things back after a disaster.

	By the way, using HDToolbox on a UNIX partition is probably a
	good way to destroy the UNIX partition...

		-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: janc@mirchi.uucp (Jan Carlson)
Subject: Re: AMIX SVR4 & TCP/IP
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:11:37 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <1992Oct5.185652.13867@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tkuusk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tanel Kuusk) writes:
>
>Hi! Can somebody tell me why Amix SVR4 doesn't understand
>hostnames?   nslookup works quite well, but
>the other services (telnet, ping, ...) return an unknown host error.
>Has anybody seen such things?

1. AmigaUNIX is configured to look up hostnames in /etc/inet/hosts.
So you could just get a copy of that file from your server and install it
on your Amiga.

2. Or maybe you are trying to have hostnames looked up by Yellow Pages.
SVR4 by default does not support Yellow Pages for passwords or hostnames,
because it is a security hole.

3. If DNS is the method you are trying to use, here is an fragment of
the AmigaUNIX 2.1 Release Notes document.  If you have version 2.1, you
could just type "man release" to see this too:

"Domain Name Service (DNS)
     To	use a remote network server for	looking	up network host
     names, you	can use	the Domain Name	Service	(DNS).	To set up
     DNS, you must rename two files, like this:

	 ln /usr/lib/libsockdns.so /usr/lib/libsocket.so
	 mv /etc/netconfig /etc/netconfig.TCP
	 ln /etc/netconfig.DNS /etc/netconfig.

     and create	the file /etc/resolv.conf to contain lines like:

	 domain	DNS_domainname
	 nameserver IP_address

     where DNS_domainname is the name of your server's DNS
     domain, and IP_address is the decimal IP address of the name
     server."
-- 

Jan Carlson  
Email: janc@amix.commodore.com 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: Re: RAM prices, and "Re: Purchasing UNIX"
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:46:23 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:

Yeah, that's right -- I'm following up to my own posting...

>                      That leaves ya' ~40M for ADOS and 140M for Amix:
>swap space (varies, but guestimate ~24M), root filesystem, and optional
>packages (TCP/IP, lpd, man pages, X server source, gcc source, etc).

That paragraph made it sound like you were going to load all of the
optional packages into the remaining ~100M or so.  Not!!

I have about 800MB of filesystem space online, with all kinds of
non-Amix distributed stuff (meaning it wasn't on the Amix install tape),
but on a bad day I don't have enough space to rebuild GCC...
-- 
Frank "Crash" Edwards            Perceptual Technologies, Inc.
Fax:  813/786-6526               [Our office is moving; watch this space
Home: 813/786-3675               for the new phone number.]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: don@blkhole.resun.com (Don Phillips)
Subject: Help!  My floppy's formatting, but it won't fill up!
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:46:06 GMT
Organization: Research Unlimited, Escondido, CA

My configuration is an A3000UX with 8MB main memory, 210 MB HD
internal, 636 MB Maxtor HD external, 5150ES Wantek tape drive, running
Unix 2.1p2.

I've been making new kernels via floppy for about a month now, and
have experienced no problems so far.  Today, things seemed to be a
little slow when trying to "make bootfloppy" or format a new floppy.

What's wrong with this picture?

"time format", and immediately pressing <return> with a floppy in the
drive gives:

    0.0u 2089.0s 34:54 99% ...

with nothing else active on the system.  The system is pretty much
unusable during this time, however a <CTL-C> will interrupt the format
at the next track change.  Dropping back to the original unix that is
on the HD gives similar results.  Timing is also similar for fd2.  The
disks seem to read at normal speed (i.e. when I boot, I hear about 1
click per second.)  There are no errors returned on the format or on a
"make bootfloppy".  The disk is usable by the "make bootfloppy"
sequence.  The creation process used to take about 5 minutes, if my
memory serves.  It is currently taking 20 minutes or so.  The system
will boot from the disk that has been created.

The dealer suggested that it may be the 8520 chips, which seemed kind
of strange, since things are somewhat working.

Can anybody shed any light on what the problem might be?  The 3000 is
being used as a full Usenet node and has several other machines that
are dependent on it.  The thought of having to take it out of service
for a couple of weeks is not a pleasant thought.  After all, where
would I get my news fix?  :-)

Thanks in advance,
--
  Don Phillips         don@blkhole.resun.com  or don%blkhole.resun.com@nosc.mil
  Research Unlimited   or ...!ncr-sd!blkhole!don
  Escondido, Calif.    My opinions are just that, and no more.
From: christos@deshaw.com (Christos Zoulas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Bourne,CSH,Printf src avail?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:31:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: deshaw.1992Oct15.163118.5524
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.

In article <1992Oct13.004839.11350@ckctpa.UUCP> crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:
>
>As far as I know the answers are:  No, yes (sort'uv), and yes (sort'uv).
>
>Bourne shell is AT&T code; csh is UCB stuff and contained AT&T code
>until a late release (4.3tahoe?) took it all out (did I get that right?);
>and if by "printf" you mean the command-line version found in SVR4,
>the answer is no (AT&T code) but if you mean the C library call, the
>answer is yes (UCB, GNU libc, lots of freeware code).
>

My answer is yes, yes, and yes. All of them are available in the net2 release
from Berkeley or the 386BSD sources.  [the net2 release is available from
ftp.uu.net, wuarchive.wustl.edu; the 386BSD sources from agate.berkeley.edu]

o The bourne shell is ash + bug fixes and enhancements.

o The C shell is the 4.3 csh + fixes from tcsh, stdio based I/O, and globbing
  code from 4.4BSD.

o Finally printf(1) is Chris Torek's original version and printf(3) from
  libc/stdio in the net2 tape.

christos
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta)
Subject: Re: Bourne,CSH,Printf src avail?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:00:32 GMT

crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:
> and if by "printf" you mean the command-line version found in SVR4,
> the answer is no (AT&T code) but if you mean the C library call, the
> answer is yes (UCB, GNU libc, lots of freeware code).

At one point the printf on Amiga Unix *was* a PD version, although I'm not
clear on the current state.  I don't think the source for it ever made it
onto the release, but you should be able to find PD printf's in various
archives.

There are all sorts of PD shells out there, too.

--
Rich Skrenta
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: sevigny@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Benoit Sevigny)
Subject: AmigaUNIX registration
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:10:50 GMT

I would like to know what is the procedure for AmigaUNIX registration.  I
haven't seen anything like a registration card in the package.  Anybody
know?


--
-=*                                                                         *=-
   __ Skipping every ?86 numbered lines in your code will remove all your
__/// remaining bugs and bottlenecks 8^)
\XX/  Benoit W Sevigny, software engineering student, sevigny@info.polymtl.ca
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re:  wot ever happen to matt's bsd 4.4 port?
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:18:27 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1askfcINN2ia@ub.d.umn.edu> rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu (Rob Healey) writes:
>In article <Bvo3Jz.E9B@acsu.buffalo.edu> jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy) writes:
>=Was it completed? I haven't heard anything on it in quite a while and
>=was just wondering...
>=
>	It's in limbo till the USL vs UCB/BSDI lawsuit is resolved. My
>	guess is that it's dead and that the Mach port is your best
>	bet for a cheepo UNIX when it gets done. It's just an oscillating
>	core switcher right now, it needs device drivers, VM module and
>	an OS emulator. See wuarchive.wustl.edu:systems/amiga/??? for
>	details, about 9M so far. There is a mailing list somewhere,
>	hopefully the guys will pipe up for the nth+1 time as they've
>	posted the info here more than once...
>
>		-Rob

    I think, people, that we should consider the BSD port dead.  I hate to
    have to abandon a project and, really, it isn't so much the lawsuit as
    my running out of time, but mach has got the best chance now.

    P.S. I have a new mailing address.	The old one is still perfectly
    valid though!

						-Matt

--

    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,amix.misc
Subject: Re: Help!  My floppy's formatting, but it won't fill up!
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:02:51 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.amiga
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

don@blkhole.resun.com (Don Phillips) writes:
> My configuration is an A3000UX with 8MB main memory, 210 MB HD
> internal, 636 MB Maxtor HD external, 5150ES Wantek tape drive, running
> Unix 2.1p2.

Nice machine...

> I've been making new kernels via floppy for about a month now, and
> have experienced no problems so far.  Today, things seemed to be a
> little slow when trying to "make bootfloppy" or format a new floppy.
> 
> With nothing else active on the system.  The system is pretty much
> unusable during this time, however a <CTL-C> will interrupt the format
> at the next track change.  Dropping back to the original unix that is
> on the HD gives similar results.  Timing is also similar for fd2.  The
> disks seem to read at normal speed (i.e. when I boot, I hear about 1
> click per second.)  There are no errors returned on the format or on a
> "make bootfloppy".  The disk is usable by the "make bootfloppy"
> sequence.  The creation process used to take about 5 minutes, if my
> memory serves.  It is currently taking 20 minutes or so.  The system
> will boot from the disk that has been created.

Is it possible that you are in run-level S (single-user-mode)... than start
the Floppy-Deamon... without this deamon the system is terrible slow if you
use a floppy! Type /usr/amiga/etc/flopd& than your system sould work normal!

If not... hmmm.... let`s think... I don`t know... but try the floppy-deamon,
and I bet the system will work normal :-)

> The dealer suggested that it may be the 8520 chips, which seemed kind
> of strange, since things are somewhat working.

I think not, that the 8520 is the problem...

> Can anybody shed any light on what the problem might be?  The 3000 is
> being used as a full Usenet node and has several other machines that
> are dependent on it.  The thought of having to take it out of service
> for a couple of weeks is not a pleasant thought.  After all, where
> would I get my news fix?  :-)

Again... try /usr/amiga/etc/flopd& and you should be happy again...

> --
>  Don Phillips         don@blkhole.resun.com  or don%blkhole.resun.com@nosc.mil
>  Research Unlimited   or ...!ncr-sd!blkhole!don
>  Escondido, Calif.    My opinions are just that, and no more.

---
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       .   
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From: chet@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Chet Ramey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Bourne,CSH,Printf src avail?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:04:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct13.004839.11350@ckctpa.UUCP> crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:

>Bourne shell is AT&T code;

There are free Bourne-style shells out there.  Bash is available for FTP
with the rest of the Gnu stuff on the normal archives.  Zsh is out there in
a number of places.  The current BSD sh (4.3-net2 and later) is available
from ftp.uu.net in /systems/unix/bsd-sources/bin/sh.  The shell that the
current BSD sh is based on (ash) is available from comp.sources.unix
archives (volume19).  There is a `pd ksh' out there somewhere -- archie for
`pdksh'. 

>csh is UCB stuff and contained AT&T code
>until a late release (4.3tahoe?) took it all out (did I get that right?);

The first free version came with 4.3-net2.

>and if by "printf" you mean the command-line version found in SVR4,
>the answer is no (AT&T code) but if you mean the C library call, the
>answer is yes (UCB, GNU libc, lots of freeware code).

PD versions of the command-line version are available in lots of places,
including ftp.uu.net:/systems/unix/bsd-sources/usr.bin/printf.  The Gnu
version is part of the `shellutils' package.

Chet
-- 
``The use of history as therapy means the corruption of history as history.''
	-- Arthur Schlesinger

Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University	Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu
From: rigby@pyramid.unr.edu (Wayne Rigby)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Bourne,CSH,Printf src avail?
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct11.104607.5745@gw.wmich.edu> x90farleigh1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>I need to find out if the source code is available for Bourne,CSH, and printf
>for a class project.

I don't know if any of that stuff is available, but most of it probably
is.  printf() most likely can be found in stdio.h which would be in
directory /include(s) on any unix site.

For sh, csh, tsh, tcsh, bash, etc, I would use archie to find them.  Archie
is a site that keeps tabs on where source code and archived anything is
located.  I forget its IP number, though.  Download and compile xarchie
from export.lcs.mit.edu (contrib directory) if your site doesn't alread have
it.  It will automate the search and go get what you want for you.

As to sites to manually search, I'd suggest
export.lcs.mit.edu
athena-dist.mit.edu
uunet.uu.net

Have fun!

Wayne Rigby
rigby@cs.unr.edu


Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: clp@gumby.Altos.COM (Chuck L. Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: FOR SALE: Amiga Unix 2.1
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:26:41 GMT
Organization: Altos Computer Systems, San Jose, CA

Amiga UNIX System V Release 4
Version 2.1
For AMIGA 2000 and 3000
Comes in original Box with all Manuals.
PRICE:          $500  (Retail: $990)

clp@altos.com
From: bh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Hawkins)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Purchasing UNIX
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:53:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AeqWk=600awJ49alpl
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am thinking about purchasing UNIX for my Amiga but I would first like
to know how much memory I should have and how much Hard disk space I
should have if I want to be able to run either AmigaDOS or UNIX.  Also,
what is the cost of UNIX for the Amiga and where can I get it?

Thanks,
Brian Hawkins (bh00@andrew.cmu.edu)