HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:06:43 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Sep27.182051.104980@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg
Vishnepolsky) writes: 

>Garik, I would venture a guess that you left the SU long time ago and
>did not really go to movies forbidden under 16 years of age (you did
>mention that you graduated from a hs here). Anyway, there have been
>a lot of depressing (tyazhelyh) movies that you just can't remember.
>Also, you probably do not remember how many movies without 'happy end'
>were shown regularly on TV.

On a lighter note: I remember a great movie called "Inspector GAI". I saw it
in the Crimea (Krym). The reason I enjoyed it so much was that it was cut into
several sections when transported and then pasted together in the wrong order.
Funny thing, it actually made some sense, although it felt very weird. In fact,
nobody noticed anything until opening credits appeared towards the end :-)

>There have been made some depressing movies in Hollywood but
>     1) They were made long time ago
>     2) If made today they would not gather a lot of public.

How 'bout "Thelma and Louise". It is a recent movie and it made quite a lot of
$$$. 

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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Privatization Vouchers - can Americans purchase them?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:00:16 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

I heard about the new Russian Privatization Voucher program on the news
this morning.  Can Americans purchase these vouchers?

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:46:16 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct2.050356.25364@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <BvH3ty.GKu@cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>>God is God, not god... (sorry)
>
>You may be talking about different gods.  

There is only one God.

>-- 
>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: education...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:26:18 GMT

verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>Is my English *so* bad? Worse :) Look at any American school.
>At least in Camridge, they are splendid. Luxurious. Pleasant
>to look upon. No classes with 45 kids per one teacher. No teachers
>with the same salary as the cleaning baboushka. Libraries.
>TV sets. Computers. Good furniture. 

>Misha.


huh..... I didn't think my high school in Magandanskaya Oblast was that bad.
We had computers, nice furniture, underpaid teachers. I dont know about tv 
sets.... although i know one was commonly brought in to watch videos on.
We even had an apple computer along with the rotten russian ones....

Though the school was kinda dreary..... the food was good and we were well
taught, even if we had to memorize all those lousy tables of cosines of angles
and such.

-kim
[katya]
From: tkantrowitz@carat.arizona.edu (change that...kill the writer.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: ATM Machines vs Wiring $$
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Mosaic Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Are there any ATM services established in Moscow? I've been trying to 
figu out the best (read fastest and most convenient) way to get money to 
someone in Moscow and haven't een having much luck.  I'd appreciate any 
information anybody might have.

Please send comments to 

tiby@spring.tucson.az.u 

*****************************************
Tiby Kantrowitz			tiby@spring.tucson.az.us
East West Broadcast News
(602) 624-3090
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:18:17 GMT

oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:

>>That letter is from a person whose education is one of the best that America
>>can offer, and (this is my claim) probably as good as the best that Russia
>>can offer.  Now, you are comparing systems by some math scores.  Is it the
>>only, and is it the best way to compare?  I don't completely agree that it
>>is either best or only.  Consider a different matric: quality of education
>>system is based on how much an average individual can get out of it. Would
>>you then be able to say that Russian or Chinese systems are better?
>>
>>----Garik.

>The magic word that you keep using is "can". The system is measured not
>on what it can offer, but on its fan-out of education. That's what
>a system is for, not to offer to some Lomonosov-type individual the best
>environment. The score is more or less the only tangible way to compare
>systems. Not only your other metric is really hard to measure, it is
>rather immaterial.

>Oleg V

I am not familiar with the definition of "fan-out", I would guess that you
mean something like "amount". In any case, you take education to be what you
feel it should be, however this is not the only way to look at education. As
you guessed, I look at schools as a place where I can go to get what I need
to get, or what my parents want me to get. (sorry for stupid "get")  In America,education system is not just that, government does step in to make sure that
everyone will get a minimum so that personal stupidity will not prevent an 
individual from future opportunities. 

Now, let us have another test for how good is a given system. Let's take an
individual with his goals and aspirations and put him through the tested system.
Why can't statistical result of this experiment be considered to be performance
indicator?

By the way, one of the reasons why russian-jewish immigrants like america is 
that they had tried that experiment on themselves. 

---Garik.







Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Visa requrements.
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:37:35 GMT

kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!) writes:
: can anyone tell me how to obtain a visa to travel in russia now? is there a 
: consulate in chicago? i have the intention of going to visit friends... do 
: they need to ask on their end? 

You need an invitation from your russian friends, you have to fill
a visa blank sheet and you have to take a photocopy of your
passport page where is your picture so that the number of passport 
is seen on the photocopy and three photos of which two have to be similar
ones then go with them to the nearest consulate
 of Russia. Because of a lack of money at the consulate the best is that
 you give an envilope where is your address and name written for the
consulate and a stamp on the envelope. So you need not personally travel
to consulate again in order to get the visa. So it is at least in Finland.
The cost of a visa is 100 FIM.

You can also make with a help of a travel agency a private visit to Russia.
Then it is needed that there is a hotel reservation existing and the
travel agency does that I have described for you.

Regards,
Jarmo
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Movies
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:00:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvnr9C.13H
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mns6569@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>I've just seen Konchalovsky's movie "The inner circle". 
>Thought I might add my 2 cents to the Russian/American movies discussion.
>This one was very "russian'-like to me. It was slow, dark, very 'russian'
>in theme, even enployed a good number of russian actors. 
>Unlike most Soviet movies, however, it was NOT boring, NOT shot by an inept
>cameraman with 1 camera, and somehow the director managed to almost make 
>the soviet contingent of actors ACT.
> .....
>Mike.S

I did not feel that the movie was "russian-like", but it was good movie.
Darkness is not a characteristic of Russian films only, see "Brazil" for
example.  I also want to through this bone into discussion fire: I recently
saw "Sukinyi deti", a great movie, very inspiring, and with overall good
acting, but "insufficient" camera work.  I think there are people in 
Russia who can make good movies, but they do not have money to do it.
For example, Konchalovsky got money made good movie.  I think Filatov
can make a good movie if he was given money to do it.  I am sure there are
more names that can be mensioned. (Can someone do it for me.)

---Garik.

ps. In "Sukinyi deti", what movie actors correspond to real actors.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:11:33 GMT

>>There is only one God.
 
>Named? ....

     ''

>Yury

--Igor
From: jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: WANTED: E-mail/postmaster map of Ukraine and Russia
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: jms@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
X-Lunar-Date: 3 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes since the new moon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50A

In article <1992Sep30.235425.14588@emr1.emr.ca>, davidson@emr1.emr.ca (David Davidson) writes...
>I have seen a map of e-mail postmasters for the CSFR in the soc.culture.
>czecho-slovak conference. Does such a thing exist for the Ukraine and
>Russia?

The maps which Relcom posted to comp.mail.maps are a good start, but are
now about a year out of date.  I sent a message to the postmaster @ relcom
asking about updates, but got ignored :-(

Perhaps this public admonition will inspire the Relcom-dudes to ship out a new
set of maps. 

jms

Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719 
Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
BITNET: jms@Arizona  Internet: jms@arizona.edu  SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
Yow!  And then we could sit on the hoods of cars at stop lights!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8091 talk.politics.soviet:8225
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ESTONIAN MINORITIES: statistics
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:05:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>In article <1a1d3fINNk27@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
>>writes:
>
>>> It may even be that the Estonians that the Estonian government
>>> represents are in the minority (nobody in this newsgroup seems to have
>>> any hard statistics) ->
>>> John Wojdylo
>
>>Hmmmmmm..... speak for yourself about the lack of statistics.
>
> [various information ]
>
> Thankyou for the information, Tapani. As for your comment, the argument
> in my post doesn't depend on statistics.(As I explained, it's a matter of
legal
> principle. Please reread the post carefully.)

Please reread the statistics carefully before suggesting next time that the
ethnic Estonians might represent a minority in Estonia.

I have expressed my arguments on the legality of the Estonian republic and
opinions about the necessary social and legislative reforms in contemporary
Estonia in my other postings. Please reread them carefully.

Of course, I choose what I will comment. I won't be repeating the same
arguments over and over again.


regards,
Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Summary: Questions about the viability & status of minority languages in ex-Sovi
Keywords: Ukrainian, Byelorussian
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:59:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Oct2.175947.6691
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I've noticed recent postings dealing with the status of Estonian,
Latvian and Lithuanian in this talk-group - all of which I found
interesting.

Reading them led me to wonder about languages such as Byelorussian &
Ukrainian (as well as other minority languages within the Russian
republic - such as Bashkir etc).  Have these languages suffered as
Russian became the dominant language of the Union?  Are they used in the
media, at the universities, schools etc?  What will future policy in
their regard be?

I'd be very interested if anyone on the net could answer these
questions.

Thanks.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: muh@physics20 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:15:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics20.berkeley.edu

In article <66974@cup.portal.com> DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>	Beauty and the Beast also had a computer rendered background in
>the ball room. The pillars, etc. I think it was SGI stuff. Was a great
>movie. Animation isn't considered art in the xSU?

It is. There are several _great_ Russian cartoons both for children and
adults. I must say that I like Russian version of Winnie the Pooh much more
than Disney's. As for adult cartoons (not to be mixed with x-rated) you should
see some cartoons of Tatarskii. I do not know if they are available here.

Yury


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Soviet Space Program: Beware of the Ignorants!
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:42:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct1.220639.181435@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
...
>I'd like to give you an advice here, Leonid: molchi - za umnogo
>soydyosh'. The US _N_E_V_E_R_ could even ATTEMPT to beat the SU
>in the number of satellite launches - there were years when we
>launched FIVE TIMES MORE objects into space than they did. Yes,
>our low-orbit satellites are short-lived and need constant replacement,
>but they are dirt cheap. And our satellite-launch system is THE CHEAPEST
>and MOST RELIABLE in the world. The NASA and ESA are scared shitless
>of Glavkosmos - they won't be able to beat our prices and give the same
>level of reliability for at least seven years.
...

    The Soviet pricing system was so screwed up that there were no
    way to estimate, much less calculate, the true cost of a product
    or service.  Nobody really knows if the satellite-launch system
    in question is the cheapest, as Peter claims, or the most expensive
    in the world.

    In this country, one can reportedly buy a fully functional MiG 
    for under $100,000, and low as $25,000 (former Secretary of State 
    George Shultz has one).  Does that mean that MiG's cost that
    little to manufacture?  Of course, not.  What is happening is
    that the Soviet mafia is having a fire sale of state property.
    Stolen goods are cheap, and if you have money and the right 
    connections, you could join the party too.

    The Yeltsin's goverment just announced a massive privatization
    campaign: every citizen of Russia is going to get an equal
    share of the state enterprises in a form of a voucher that
    worth somewhere between $33 and $40.  Think about that: over
    the last 75 years the average Russian soul, having worked hard 
    and consumed little, has accumulated less industrial wealth 
    than a teenager in this country can make in a day flipping 
    burgers.  50c ,,, a year?!

    Methinks that the Soviets have done better than that, but most
    of their money was "invested" in ego-building projects, like 
    the cheapest-looking satellite-launch system in the world,
    more olympic medals, best ballet, most fearsome ballistic missles,
    etc.  No surprizingly, they ended up with a huge ego (perhaps, 
    the biggest in the world:), and little wealth.








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From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Commercials. Was Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:05:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1a82qaINNn8k@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>I got too opinions about American women, based on watching commercials
>and comparing to real life.

>1. Most of attractive American women are too busy shooting in commercials
>so you never see them anywhere else.
>2. American women are extremly sexy: it's sufficient for them to eat
>cookie or cheesburger to have orgasm


  You forgot to mention that many of them have yeast infection so they
 probably have to eat a cheesburger to have an orgasm. 

  "If you know you do - see your doctor" - from TV comercial.

>Yury

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.194816.29537@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.174204.20044@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes about me n-th time:


>So our dogmas are different. Yours are very progressive and help you observe
>lack of mine general intelligence. Also they give you superiority feeling
>that is necessary in order to be able to miss point of view of other person
>completely.
>

I did not miss your point of view - I just pointed out that it is not
a point view of what I would consider an intelligent person.

>I wouldn't write what my dogmas help me to observe.
>
>We both (and other netters too) formed strong opinions on this subject
>(and opponent too :-).
>
>I said what I felt should be said and said that more than once.
>

Well, you have overdone it - once was plenty really.

>Bye-bye, serious man, be happy in your quest against windmills,

No, you silly, it is the airheads I object to. But then again,
airheads, windmills - mnogo vetra i vse vremya chto-to melyut, melyut. 

>	-igor
>
>P.S. It's really hard to be serious in such circus - but I really tried :-)

And we laughed at you - thanks for the entertainment.

Leonid.

P.S.> na vsyakii sluchai - poshel ty na hui.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:38:28 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct2.120646.16016@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct02.134616.28692@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.050356.25364@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>>>In article <BvH3ty.GKu@cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>>>>God is God, not god... (sorry)
>
>>>You may be talking about different gods.  
>
>>There is only one God.
>
>Yeah, Cthulhu in the One God!
>"Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

Right! And Vishnu, and Krishnu, and Zeves and Chronos - 
all of them are *IN* One God!

>Misha.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: mail ( OTBET COBKA! )
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:34:22 GMT

Victor Bur writes:

>   In article <LEONID.92Oct1113908@tuna.uchicago.edu> leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:

>   >But I never do. Because I am a real Russian Intelligent.
>   >You know. I always spell correctly. 
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   >"Dear Sir/Madame: You CAN NOT ask such a thing. 
			  ^^^^^^^

Dearest Victor/Sir/Madame/Gospodin_Horoshij!

Especially for you and for all the other *serious* people 
like you: 

i *did not* want to make you think I really spell correctly
all the time; As well as I *don't* wear tie all the time.
it was a *joke*, you know? I was kidding at all these
people down here, who argued ( during the whole fuckin'
month ) 'bout whether it is obligatory for Russian Intelligent
to spell correctly  or not ( apparently, there's not a 
single `intelligent' among them whose spelling would
be really correct ). I was kidding at myself. And off 
course, I was kidding at all the assholes like you,
who get the joke only if they see six thousand :-)'s 
around it.

See ya around.
--
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| Leonid S Andreev,    Center for Information and Language Studies,  |
|  (312) 702 9096        University of Chicago, Chicago IL, 60637.   |
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From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Anekdotik pro logopeda
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:16:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14114.2ad04e55

Prihodit muzhik k logopedu i sprashivaet:"K vam moVno?"
Logoped otvechaet:"I moVno,i nuVno!"
From: SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: email to Vladivostock
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:07:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsuvm1.16878C69F.SCALES
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING


 
Has anyone successfully posted mail to the Far Eastern University in
Vladivostock?  Could you contact me?  I have a vested interest.
 
                                                Thanks,
 
                                                         Jane
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: education...
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:36:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Sep29.121050.15943@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu writes:

> Is my English *so* bad? Worse :) Look at any American school.
> At least in Camridge, they are splendid. Luxurious. Pleasant
> to look upon. No classes with 45 kids per one teacher. No teachers
> with the same salary as the cleaning baboushka. Libraries.
> TV sets. Computers. Good furniture. 
> 
> Misha.

Are you  kidding?  Do you  *really*  think  that   Cambridge/Boston schools
represent  average  American  schools?  Real America  is  midwest, and real
American schools  are there. Come  and look at them,  especially in a cheap
district where low class  lives! The same  graffity and shabby furniture; a
lot of  drugs and almost  in each  class there  are people  who'd be killed
before graduating from  the school. And if you  like to speak about schools
in big cities come and look at NYC  schools. Boston is a town of immigrants
and it was such a town almost a  century. It is very different from U.S. in
general!

Cheers,

Greg
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Date: 2 Oct 1992 19:30:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct02.133106.17836@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>
>Dostoevsky asks in Anna Karamazoff, why there are so many average individuals
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not so bad for professional spell-checker.

Yury
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