HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: the story ends with a cliff hanger?
Keywords: kidnapping, beards, bikes
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:50:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.201347.5098@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.185331.27745@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.011207.16264@midway.uchicago.edu> grendel@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Cliff Winnig) writes:
>>>But do I get to ride on Ken's bike?
>>
>>yes. but the law only allows one passenger. ooooo, i guess i get a non-group
>>opportunity then! :-) :-)
>
>I'll buy one, then.
>Raising the ante,

only one? geeez, no-one commits in advance to the second one...

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53962 soc.bi:17366
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: QW Magazine: Still in business?
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1hoimeINN9ln@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
|> Is QW (Qweer Weekly, used to be NYQ) magazine out of business?  One
|> week they announced that their publisher had died of AIDS and that they
|> would not go out of business due to that.  However, I haven't gotten a
|> new issue in the mail since.
|> 
|> Anyone have more info?

Yes, I do... We got our resubscription check back in the mail with a letter
which stated that due to financial difficulties associated with the 
death of their publisher QW will no longer be published.

Jeff
-FWA
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:30:46 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>(Does this mean we're going to give calm discussion another chance, 
>and stop flaming each other, or do you still want me to get out 
>of your group?) 

>in Col, you can be discriminated against for being gay;
>in the other states, you can be arrested and jailed.  Which is 
>worse? 

	Is it necessary to qualify it?

	Isn't either, bad and wrong?  Don't both deserve to be
fixed?  We fix one set of problems one way, and the other the
other way.  The people that wrote the sodomy laws are mostly dead,
as far as I can tell (though some people in Congress, might be
over 150 - I'm not sure...).  It's safe to say that MOST of the
people who voted in CO:2 are still around ...

	There is a LOT of pressure in states with active sodomy
laws to change them --- certainly that's true for Georgia
which has had and still has quite a bit of GBLO*-active boycotting
going on... other states like Mass. still have a sodomy law on the books
ut it is not enforceable given other laws that supercede it.
For the most part the chances of being arrested for sodomy here
is lower than a gay person in CO being affected by CO:2.

	That doesn't mean we don't fix both, but it doesn't mean
we ignore one for the other.  If you're going to insist on qualifying 
one of them as "worse", I'm not going to waste my time with you.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:38:00 GMT

> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>(to be fair to the New Yorker - it's great if one's literary
>tastes are to the artsy-fartsy; or, if one is actually interested
>in what goes on in the Big Apple - which I, living in the cultural
>center of North America (Ithaca, Pittsburg, and NY be damned...),
>am not)

Cuper*tino*???!!!
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:27:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1h563sINNsn2@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff
Dauber) wrote:
 
> I find soc.motss about the same.

Look harder, darling.  One of the big kids has picked up most of
his toys and waddled off to a more comforting sand box.

*X*
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:16:26 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Dec22.010946.19364@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
>
>A place called The Pink Zone in Portland and Seattle has mugs with sayings
>like: FAG COFFEE, QUEER MUG, DYKE COFFE, etc...
>
I wonder if they do mailorder :)  Actually, I'm not sure if most
offices are ready for this... even within our community we have a lots
of disagreement on whether "FAG" and "QUEER" are appropriate terms (as
for me, I go off the context and QUEER COFFEE is positive).

Tom
-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free"   |CO made a #2 no-no... PU!          |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: March On Washington '93 -- Travel Agents
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:02:00 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

Thomas D. Barrett writes
>If someone has it handy... could you post the offical travel agents
>for the March on Washington?  Thanks.

Or, will there be chartered busses from places like New York or
Boston?

*  In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak *
*  because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I *
*  didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade *
* unionists, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist... *
*Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.*
*  Rev. Martin Niemoeller     [Why to March on Washington in April]  *
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction (actually Delany)
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:14:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec22.221438.3951
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec22.124058.3613@nic.csu.net> hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu writes:
>Steve Dyer:
>> 
>> I think that almost all current SF/fantasy writing is simply TV for
>> the semi-literate, and Delany's work in this genre hasn't made me
>> change my mind.
>
>Well which of Delany's books have you read, Steve? Do tell.

_The Motion of Light in Water_, which is really wonderful.  He really
should write a follow on to his autobiography.  The man _can_ write; I
just don't find the fiction he writes very interesting.  I found both
"Stars in My Pocket..." and "Dhalgren" to be impenetrable and unrewarding.
Boring.

I didn't mean to say that Delany's attempts are semi-literate, or that
reading and liking his stuff isn't proof that you have some reading facility.
It's that his efforts in the genre don't redeem the field in general for me.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:04:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <thaaang.724731801@cwis> <BznGzr.GHI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>      
  <thaaang.725058794@cwis> <72279@cup.portal.com> <thaaang.725134675@cwis> 
   <72336@cup.portal.com> <thaaang.725225263@cwis>

Thaaang squeals:
>I wrote:
>>Thaaang squeals:
>>>Oh, foo. IM has some good twee going on, and I happen to find some of
>>                      ^^^^^^^^^
>>A contradiction in terms.
>
>George, get your literary devices straight.

Absolutely never.  I do, however, have them *CORRECT*.

>>certainly nothing one could actually call "butch" in that rag.
>
>Sorry George, but I'm just so *over* motor oil and pissing contests...
>Besides, it takes a lot more talent to dance with a guy than it does
>to piss on him.

Given what I've seen passing for dancing lately -- *and*
considering what I know about pissing on people....

               ***** NOT! *****

>>>Of course, what you were listening to helps to explain why this
>>post was so ... disjointed.  Remember, "Drivel in, Drivel out!"
>George! Are you listening to Van Morrison again?

No. Jethro Tull, actually.  Pr*nc*'s atonal wailing must have
blinded you to the sheer poetry in my posting.  ;-)

 
() Two is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2.
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Homos in the bible
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 10:47:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Scott Burch writes:
>I was reading a book recently that stated that there was some biblical
>scripture that mentioned the posibliity of David being gay.  Does anyone
>know of any gay bible characters, or support for the theory that David was
>gay.  I would be interested in any leads that I can get.  

I copied the following from the great floating homosexual flame war
long ago... the guy who wrote may or may not be family, but man, after
this post, many of the idiots shut up.

Original post:
Subject: Re: "Lying Queer!"

Well, I realize most of the pro-homosexual side of this argument is saying
"Look it up yourself", but since it didn't take me long to find it, I'll
post the relevant verses myself.

All are from Samuel I:

18:1 ...the soul of Jonathon was knit with the soul of David and
     Jonathon loved him as his own soul.
  :2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home
     to his father's house.
  :3 Then Jonathon and David made a covenant, because he loved him as
     his own soul.
  :4 And Jonathon stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave
     it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and
     to his girdle.
[Ed. - The girdle is the crucial part]

19:2 But Jonathon Saul's son delighted much in David...

20:17 And Jonathon caused David to swear again, because he loved him;
      for he loved him as his own soul.

  :30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathon, and he said unto
      him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that
      thou hast chosen the son of Jesse [David] to thine own confusion,
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
      and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

And to help explain this last quote, I pull from everybody's favorite,
Leviticus:

20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall
      surely be put to death; they have wrought confusion....
                                                ^^^^^^^^^
Go ahead, explain that one away....
--
Steve Murray    |    SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu
"The Christians didn't leave Europe because they were being persecuted,
 they were *kicked out* because they were persecuting everybody else."
    -- Gore Vidal
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ageism
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:31:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <168C6F185.SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, DLM wrote:

> I *knew* it!!!! The moment I saw my first pair of culottes (oh god
> let me forget) or those mutant 'gaucho' split-skirts, or the Edsel
> of fashion, the midi-skirt, I *knew* that these designers did *not*
> love women!

That much is a given...  I wonder if their sinister intent was,
in fact, to turn women into something they *did* love; or, to
merely ruin women's lives for spite (except, of course, for that
fragment of a percent who actually *do* look like Pauli P. or
Cindy C... - whom these designers have made fabu rich)

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:35:15 GMT


Heh heh.  Giggle.  And happy New Year to you too, Jeff.

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

   >|> What, exactly, is to be cured? 
 >To process by smoking or salting.  You see, rich heterosexuals have found
"To be processed" would have made this perfect.
 >that taking one tablespoon of cured homosexual each morning improves their
 >aesthetic sense, allowing them to spend their money in a tasteful manner.

You forgot to mention that in some circles this is known as "taking
the cure."  Or is that sulfur springs and gout?

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The Rev. Robert Williams is dead.
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:35:24 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Jack Spong, my beloved bishop, called me about 7:00 o'clock tonight with the
news that Robert Williams died of AIDS in Boston.  AP had called Jack, who
told them, (I paraphrase), I learned much from him; I am sorry that he 
is dead.   

Rest in Peace, Robert.  I have learned much from you too, dear brother.

Lutibelle/Louie

-- 
  ==========================================================================
  Louie Crew, Academic Foundations Department, Rutgers University, NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                   Preferred:  P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec30.195317.19279
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec30.145823.7995@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>The point is that not everything Dworkin says is drivel,
>yet men (in particular) get so overwrought when they hear
>what she says about them that they dismiss everything.

Ahem.  Generally, if someone comes to a completely stooopid conclusion,
people are going to dismiss everything they say.  This happens all the
time here (and elsewhere); there's no need to remind ourselves!  What
does that say about Dworkin's skills as a polemicist?  As agitprop
speaking to the appropriate audience, it's great.  It doesn't carry very
far in a larger audience which isn't tuned into her language and assumptions.
It reminds me a bit of the "we will rape your teenage boys" tract written
by an (overwrought) gay activist which was discussed here a while back.
What are the Walter Smiths of this world going to think?  Everyone's a
Walter Smith in one way or another...

>Like ???, my concern over Andrea Dworkin has more to do
>with her paternalism and her campaign against the first
>amendment.  It's troubling to me that rather than accepting
>the fact that adults sometimes (often) willingly enter into
>unequal relatioships and it's none of her damned business,
>she's trying to put some pretty narrow strictures on what
>kinds of decisions individual adults should be able to make.

His name is ????.  :-)  Anyway, would I be wrong in stating that most
of us here would agree with you?

As I said before, I don't think Dworkin would get the attention she does
outside of feminist circles if she weren't instrumental in trying to have
her ideas embodied in civil law.  Like it or not, this gets attention and
comments in a way that her ideas don't.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:31:57 GMT
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University

In article <1992Dec23.113314.5184@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>
> >One time I was behind by *4000*
> >messages and just had to mark them all read.
>
>Here is clear evidence of insufficient devotion.  If there were a
>cabal it would have to address this matter.


** I am sure you are now feeling very guilty for not reading the 
   messages. If this guilt is too strong I am sure someone on the net can
   send you the appropriate messages for you to read as penance over the
   holidays (B-)


   
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         *********************************************************
         *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk  *
         *     LL.B.  Law  III     *     Coventry  University    *
         *********************************************************
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RHe said/She said and look what happened!
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:19:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec22.031924.27120
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec21.152843.225@gems.vcu.edu> kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:
>The only casualty here seems to be Steve Dyer.  How'd _that_ happen?  8-)

Casualty of what?  Not me.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: therblig (was Re: zw{i,a}cky matters)
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:06:56 GMT

In article <C06LMs.BHL@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
>In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>
>>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth'.
>>It is a unit of task; one therblig is a motion taken in the process of
>>accomplishing a task.  (for instance, picking up a nail is a therblig,
>>if you're nailing shingles on.)
>
>A lovely little definition.  But his name is spelled Galbraith.
>
>Have you ever played Balderdash?
>-- 

  Well, 'therblig' is actually a corruption of the original
  "thairblag", from the Celtic.  We have people here who
  can confirm this.

  Wayne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:10:26 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Nelson, whose never even seen a front pannel switch, or for that
>matter a card reader.

Computer just haven't been the same since they stopped putting switches
and lights on them *SIGH*

You poor, deprived (or is that depraved?) child --- stop by sometime and
I'll show you a *real* computer...
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Sometimes they fool you
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      by walking upright...
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:26:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>And if you do come to Oregon to ski, consider staying at Timberline
>lodge. It's a beautiful place on Mt. Hood, an old WPA project, it's
>right there at the best skiing on Mt. Hood, *and* Timberline took out
>a half page front section ad against Measure 9 back in October. I
>think it is a pretty expensive place, though.

*AND* Timberline served as the backdrop to Jack Nicholson as crazy
axe murderer in The Shining...

However, if you must know, the runs at Mount Hood Meadows are
better (or at least more interesting); and, the snow on Mount
Bachelor is better.  Nice and fluffy.  Hood gets a little 
wet - and the weather is rarely pleasant.

In California, I'm told that Kirkwood (South Lake Tahoe) is the
place to swish - perfect for drag queens with visions of Olympic
Gold...

*X*
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cramer is our problem too.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:20:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <C03Kx4.K1@exnet.co.uk> 
s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

> I have got yet more mail asking me to stop posting on Cramer threads.

If you take your "argument" with Cramer out of soc.motss,
people will stop asking you to stop posting on his threads.

> The logic seems to be that he is not a motss issue.

He's not a soc.motss issue.  Take it to alt.politics.homosexuality
or alt.raving.lunatic.

> Cramer is a motss 'issue'.

Cramer is not a soc.motss issue.

>                       HE TELLS LIES ABOUT US.

As he has for years and years, and, no doubt, as he will
for years and years and years.

> I should think everyone knows about the concept of "the big lie".
> Well, in ignoring Cramer you play into his hands.

The Cramer problem didn't begin when you first started
reading soc.motss.  "Argue" with him somewhere else.

> Your silence indicates guilt.  Your silence indicates agreement. 

Bullshit.  Cramer is a lunatic.  Everyone who's been on the net
for more than a week knows he's a lunatic.  Ignore him.  And if
you can't ignore him, then argue with him somewhere else.

> Those of you who do not like Cramer in the group can use the 'n'
> key.  Just the way I will when I get bored with him. 
>
> Stop e-mailing me about the jerk.  (39 bits of e-mail)

If you don't like friendly suggestions that you take your 
"argument" with Cramer out of soc.motss, then you can delete
the mail unread.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:24:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.063757.14583@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>> found Usenet, or later?

I scanned my dad's .newsrc file for "homosexuality" and discovered
alt.politics.homosexuality.  After reading that for too long, I got bored
with it, and started examining the headers and wondering what this
"soc.motss" thing was.  I checked it out, and discovered this was the sort
of newsgroup I like :)

After that, I managed to scrounge an account of my own so I could post :)


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2