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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:50:54 LCL
Reply-To:     "Giorgos Kavallieratos" <GIORGOS@GREARN.BITNET>
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From:         "Giorgos Kavallieratos" <GIORGOS@GREARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pali pisw sto pagko mas.

Geia sas. Polla kai kala ta sxolia gia thn EAS, symfonies kai diafonies opos
panta. Den tha statho sta polla omologoumenos e-mail mias kai exo pei thn
gnomi mou, apla hthela na sxoliaso to mail tou Spyrou epeidh parafrase apo
aproseksia kati  pou eixa pei kai hthela na doso diefkrinisi

Epishs, akolouthei mia akoma gnomh gia thn EAS enos filou pou parakolouthei
men thn lista alla mou zhthse na to kano forward mias kai htane prosopiko.
(gia to syngekrimeno mail hthela apla na sxoliaso oti symfono me thn ennoia
ths dhmotikis sungoinonias. Pantos genika gnomh mou einai oti h syngoinonia
san koinoniki paroxh den prepei na einai vora kanenos idioti... giati
yparxoune epakoloutha xeirotera ths Patras kai tou Hrakleiou.

Telionontas ton prologo afto, hthela na toniso mia diafora ths leksis
'idiotiko' edo kai ekso. Fovamai pos kanete lathos legontas 'sto eksoteriko
afto einai idiotiko kai paei kala, ara kai sthn Ellada'. Den exo dei polla
'idiotika' pragmata edo pou na se metaxeirizontai me aksioprepeia.
Eipame mhn syngrinoume ta anomoia... mporei sthn Iaponia na kanoune apergies
eno sygxronos doulevoune, alla sthn Iaponia o diefthynths einai ikanos na
kanei xarakiri ean kati tetoio symvei sthn etairia tou. Einai diaforetiki
h aisthisi ths aksioprepeias, entimothtas, timhs... h ennoia tou'sostou'
kai 'lathous', 'kalou' kai 'kakou' edo kai ekso. Edo o diefthynths tha gelage
legontas 'A tous malakes, makari na eixa pio pollous'.

Otan h kyvernisi einai xontropetsh kai den katalavainei tipota, as mhn
mas fainontai perierges oi polles meres apergias (kai oxi tou syngekrimenou
kladou eidika). Pos allios na katalavei oti tipota den einai monodromos kai
oti ama exeis mia oikogeneia kai se apolyoune, as mhn perimenoune oti tha
katseis me stavromena xeria. Dikaia h adika tha aperghseis.
Giati eipame, tros kai esy alla trone kai alloi poly perissotero (vlepe
paradeigma ekklhsias se prohgoumeno mou mail) alla afton h fonh fainetai
oti metraei perissotero. Les kai vriskomaste akoma sto Vyzantio.

Akolouthoun sxolia epi tou posting tou Spyrou Lioli

>
> Kai thn na thn kanoume. Alloi lene na mhn einai kerdofora. Wraia den exw pro-
> blhma. Alla oi foroi oi dikoi mas den ftanoun gia tous mis0ous kai loipa
> eksoda. Opote kati prepei na ginei. Kapws prepei na kselaspw0ei.
> Bres ena kalo tropo kai polu euxaristws na ton uposthriksw ki egw.,
>
Nai alla h kyvernhsh den skeptetai etsi. Apla pernaei nomosxedia me thn
diadikasia tou 'yperepeigontos' kai sth diarkeia ton diakopon. Ksereis...
dhmokratikotata. Kai eipame... apo allous prepei na ginei h arxh. Ama ginei
dikaia arxh o kosmos katalavainei. Alla eipame, h kyvernhsh exei dosei thn
opsh tou klefth ston kosmo. 'Akoumpaei' lathos atoma... gia na 'eksygianei'.
>
>
> >Kserete ti paei na pei na stamata o odhgos to leoforeio sth mesh tou dromou
> >gemato kosmo gia na paei apenanti sto synergeio na rothsei profanos gia to
> >amaksi tou?
>
> Kratikh den einai; Ti perimenes;;;
> Den mou kanei entupwsh. Olo to kratois etsi einai. Elpizw oti kapws 0a
> allaksoun. Mallon me idiwtikopoihsh giati tote exoun allous nomous.
>
Lathos Spyro. To parapano htane paradeigma apo tis IDIOTIKOTATES syngoinonies
Hrakleiou Krhths. Tis opoies epaneillhmena kathgorisa, kai to montelo ton
opoion prokeitai na akolouthisoune oi Athinaikes ean idiotikopoihthoun.
Sthn Athina den mou exei tyxei pote tipota paromoio, oute exo na paraponetho
gia symperifora odhgon ktl. Apo thn allh meria polla asxhma exo na po gia
symperifora EPIVATON pros tous odhgous. KAi oxi apla epivaton, alla TZAMPA-
TZHDON.

Alla edo sto Hrakleio ola einai kala. O kosmos san na mhn skaei gia tipota.
Leoforeio den exei... kala pame. To ena den exei kala pame. To allo den exei
kala pame. Einai de h monadiki isos polh ston kosmo pou leitourgei kalytera
xoris fanaria stous dromous. Mono tote den vlepo botiliarisma sto kentro.


> >poiousan sthn Athina TELEFTAIA XRONIA to 1976-1977 (ta palia ta Scania).
> >Afta en etei 1992 sto Hrakleio Krhths, erga idiotikis protovoulias.
>
> Kalws hr0ate sto Dhmokratiko Hrakleio pou leei kai sto limani. Kala na pa0oume
Spyro den ftaiei tipota h tampela pou vrisketai sto limani oute h paromoia
pou vrisketai sto Venizeleio nosokomeio (allh eisodos ths polhs). H IDIOTIKI
protovoulia ftaiei gia afto pou ekanes include.

> Se 1.5 xrono douleias h 245 meres htane apergies. Pws na mhn mpei mesa;;;
>
Otan exeis na kaneis me xontropetsous, einai sostotero na se poune malaka
otan tha foras thn kordela 'APERGW' kai douleveis?

> Spiros

Kleinontas exo na po oti pollon erxetai h seira na 'akoumphthoune'
kai synithos me adiko tropo. Yparxei prosfato posting sth lista pou
antidra gia to nomosxedio sthn Paideia. Dystyxos den to ksero to nomosxedio
afto... etsi den sxoliazo to syngekrimeno posting. Enas symfoithths
mou anefere mia diataksh pou tha periorize kapoia eleftheria kathigiton
se erevnhtika erga (prosodofora) en kairw ekpaideftikis desmefshs.
Emena mou fanhke sosto oti otan kapoios analamvanei na parei kapoio mathima
na einai ypefthynos gia tin douleia afth. Mexri stigmis liges tetoies
periptoseis exo sto myalo mou.
Giati opos efkolo einai na fernoume paradeigma tous odhgous ths EAS gia tis
ekatontades meres apergias tous, to idio efkolo einai na vro arithmo
megalo paradeigmaton anefthynothtas kathigiton pros to ekpedeftiko ergo
kathos kai ypovathmisis tou. O xronos pou prepei enas kathigitis
se ena mathima den einai mono oi 5 gia paradeigma diadaktikes ores thn
evdomada. Einai kai h sosth proetoimasia gia na didaksei, pragma pou an
den ginei dioxnei ton kosmo apo to amfitheatro.

Giorgos

p.s.
kai pali sygnomi gia to makroskeles... alla to thema einai megalo kai exoune
akoustei polles diaforetikes gnomes.
akolouthei to forward me to mail tou filou pou mou esteile prosopiko.
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