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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Shanahan`s Status
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:48:28 GMT
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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <1992Nov4.184423.6752@island.COM> bvt@island.island.COM (Brad Van Tighem) writes:
>
>What`s the latest on Brendan Shanahan?
>How long will he be out with this groin injury?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brad Van Tighem
>

   Shanahan stayed in St. Louis while the Blues are on the road. He's doing
some skating and is listed day-to-day. He probably will be back when the
Blues return home from their road trip and play against Edmonton at the 
Arena on Tuesday Nov. 10.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.210148.7153@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> fdg@athena.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Frank P. DiGiuseppe) writes:
>
>>The Olympics will be on an international ice surface which NHL Russians
>>will have been brought up playing on, and the best Russians have been
>>all developed in the same elite program in the former Soviet Union and
>>have often previously played together over the years.  
>>
>>The ice surface difference and the lack of preparation on it will be
>>a major disadvantage for the North American teams. 
>
>Disadvantage? Yes. Major? I doubt it. Many of the North American players
>have had some experience on International ice as well as playing together.
>In fact the '94 teams (Canada and US anyway) will likely look very similar 
>to the past Canada Cup teams.
>

Canada's team will almost certainly be without Gretzky, and likely
without Lemieux and Bourque...plus because it would be on an
international ice surface, the players selected will likely be 
rather different.  Keenan's last Canada Cup team was rather old...
the next time we play internationally, the core will basically be
a whole new group of guys. 

>And that fact that some of the Russian players played together "at some
>point" is no substitute for a having the actual team playing as a unit.
>I don't think, they'll be signficantly more prepared, as a team, than their
>North American counterparts.
>

The old instincts of the Russians will be for hockey played under the
Russian system on an international ice surface.  The old instincts of
North American players are wrong for the international game, especially
for the defensemen.  The Russians just have to return to riding a
bicycle after a few years of not having ridden...North Americans have
to learn how to ride a bicycle.

>
>>To have a 50-50 chance of winning, the NHL would have to be shut down
>>for two months...otherwise all you would be doing is sending an
>>unprepared all-star team for slaughter.
>
>I agree with the first comment - to have an equal shot at winning they
>would need that time. But to jump to the extreme of saying there will be
>a slaughter is a bit much I think. 
>

You've obviously forgotten the two midseason contests which replaced
the AllStar games during the eighties...Rendezvous in Quebec city in
1987, and earlier in the decade in New York, when a hastily assembled
team of NHL'ers playing on North American ice were humiliated by the
Russians...and you neglect the intense training camps undergone before
the last three Canada Cups, which were necessary for eeking out close
victories.

>I agree with your points to the degree that, yes, the Russians will have
>an advantage, but to predict a slaughter... I don't see it.
>

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Gerald

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 12:26:53 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns


Kevin Hartmann writes:

>Most of my friends have been fans of the  THE PENGUINS for at least 15 years.
>(Oh, by the way, why are you calling them THE PENS? What do you mean by
that?!?
>!?!)
>Often times we refer to them as the pigeons.  As in "What time do the pigeons
>play tonight?"  It's all in fun.

Pigeons.  That's better than some of the lame names and slogans the team
came up with.  Remember "the boys of winter -- come -- watch us grow."
Hmmmm...makes me think of things other than hockey.

And then the year our slogan was, "There's a team in the building."  I
liked the guy who changed it to "There's a stench in the building." (It
was not a good year!)

We have Steigy to thank for a lot of them.  (How do you get to go from
slogan writer to color commentator anyway?)

>p.p.s.  I enjoy some of the comments from the crowd.  One guy at the
>	Islander's game during the intermission with a pee-wee
>	hockey demonstration screamed that he wanted to "LET 'EM FIGHT!"

Not really a comment, but funny -- last night that stupid mascot was
hanging around in my section (I think Howard Baldwin sent him).  A guy
started throwing peanuts at him and the mascot picked them up and threw
them right back.  We got a kick out of that.

Mom.
From: v081jqgf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (STEVE PULVER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best Lines?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.183155.9934@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes...
>One of my pals was boasting that the Sandstrom line in LA was
>the 4th best line in hockey.
> 
>Given that Pittsburgh has the best two (heh heh), what would be
>some possible 3rd's?
> 
>-- 
>+===================================================================+
>| Rick Casares			            Silicon Graphics        |	
>| cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com		    2011 N. Shoreline Blvd  |
>| "Just wait till next year."               Mountain View, CA 94039 |
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     Buffalo's LaFontaine between Andreychuk and Mogilny comes to mind...

Steve
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Are EUROPEAN teams as good as NHL teams? (WAS: A Proposal...)
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:33:45 GMT

MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>Most unlikely! NHL teams (NY Rangers, Washington, Calgary) usually have beaten
>their Swedish and Finnish opponents on the rare occasions when they bother to
>come over here for an exhibition game or two. The Soviets did have some teams
>that were every bit as good as the top NHL teams, but they are history now.
>Heck, even the best Swedish and Finnish players not playing in North America
>are usually NHL cast-offs or not good enough to get drafted.

When was the last time NHL teams came over here for an exhibition game?

The best Finnish and Swedish players are not castoffs, but players who
have played a couple of years in the NHL and then come back home. Would
you call H}kan Loob a castoff? Most of the best Finnish players have been
drafted, but they have not been offered a contract. This is because 
the NHL club has to pay a large transfer fee to get the player from the Finnish
club. Besides, the US and Canadian players cost nothing and the Russians and
Czecho-Slovakian players cost a lot less than Finns and Swedes.

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
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From: nixdorf@bonmot (Eric Nixdorf)
Subject: Re: Does anyone get hockey on Ku band (TVRO)??
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:25:19 GMT

anderson@zymurgy.bms.com (Jay Anderson) writes:
: Is there any hockey to be seen in-the-clear on Ku band?  I just got a small
: dish and am curious if there is anything to be seen.
: 
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Jay,

     There is frequently college hockey on SBS6 being fed back to local markets.
Saturday night, the Minnesota/No. Michigan game and the North Dakota game were
available ITC.

					Eric
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Is it icing?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:14:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1dk75fINN5jc@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, chrisl@oak.ppc.ubc.ca (chris lynch) writes:
> In article <etam.721259661@sfu.ca>, etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
> |> In the first game of that home & home, Diduck shot the puck out of the
> |> rink to get a whistle (penalty had expired and they were down a man
> |> because no on was in the box).   All he had to do was ice the puck
> |> since they would have been called for icing at that time.
> 
> Is that true? I've never seen that situation before and the Canuck announcers
> were talking about that play and they were wondering IF it would be called
> icing. Their point was that the Canucks were out numbered and icing is negated
> when you are out numbered. 

The penalty to Momesso was expired and thus the Canucks were no longer
shorthanded, even though the situation was still 5-on-4. The Canucks had not
put a player in the box to serve Momesso's penalty, and thus could not
substitute a player when the penalty expired. Had Diduck iced the puck, the
icing would have counted since the Canucks were no longer shorthanded.

								Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Oates-Janney Trade revisited
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:19:23 GMT

In article <5866@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown) writes:
>
>IMO, Janney could cost Brett Hull a hall of fame berth if Hull doesn't get
>out of STL. And Oates could play until he is as old as a guy like Poulin.
>Note that as hard as he works, he is not injury prone, unlike Craig "Hangnail"
>Janney. 


Here are some stats:

If Janney would have played all of last year on St. Louis, his projected
stats would be:   115 points  (he actually had 87)

If Oates  would have played all of last year on Boson    , his projected
stats would be:    92 points  (he actually had 99)


This year, Janney (from what I have seen) started the season playing on a
different line than Hull's.  I can't figure out why.  The 2 of them obviously
play well together; better than Hull/Oates if you look at stats!

If they leave Janney and Hull together for the rest of the year, I'm sure
both of them will play very well.  

Let's wait and see.....


--Dave


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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Re: WHL-Brandon
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:10:02 GMT

In article <BxADws.AFG@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, New netter writes:
>Hi,
>Will someone tell me about the
>Brandon Wheat King in WHL. In the past few years,
>they were always at the bottom of the league but this
>year they stand on top! Why? Did they make a lot of changes?

I haven't seen them play, so I'm only speculating (I did hear their season
opener on the radio since I was driving to Brandon for a wedding at the 
time).  I think the biggest reason for their success is goaltending.  They
picked up Trevor Robins from the Blades during the off-season as future 
considerations for another trade.  At the time, it wasn't known for sure if
Robins would be coming back from Tampa Bay.  He arrived back a day or two 
before the season opener and has been in the top three in goaltending in the
WHL (right behind his teammate from last year, Norm Maracle of the Blades).
He is a very good goalie.  I believe they also picked up some other good 
players.  In addition, they had a couple of their best players return from 
NHL camps.  I don't know details, but that's my guess.

Randy
-- 
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                                |       Department of Computational Science
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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: CANUCKS TRADE
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:13:49 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

al.mellis@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Al Mellis) writes:
>-> From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
>-> (Dave Capuano to TampaBay for Anatoli Semenov)

>Seems more like Pat Quinn is shopping in the bargin basement for
>something that probably doesn't exist at this cheap of a price.  However
>you can look at it a postive manner, the Canucks gave up nothing and
>anything they get in return has to be better as long as it doesn't bring
>in a bad attitude
                        
You think that's strange? Did you hear what Phil Esposito's comments were?

"This may be weird to say, but maybe he was too good for our team. He'd
make a pass and nobody would be there."

This has got to be a first. "He was so good, he made the team look bad."
I guess that this implies that Semenov is not a scoring threat himself,
but more of an Oates-style setter-upper. If Semenov's first game is any
indication, the GM's better keep Quinn from rummaging around in their
basements. 

Matt
Maybe Phil didn't think all the VFW retirees would go for a Rooskie.
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From: adama@bmdhh68.bnr.ca (Adam Ashby)
Subject: How did the 'Hawks do last night.....???
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd., Maidenhead, England
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:05:50 GMT


Subject says it all....did the Hawks manage to beat the Leafs???

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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: tickets
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:31:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Nov5.195119.12269@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ltracewe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lori A Tracewell) writes:
|> I just found out and subscribed to this newsgroup. I am a hockey-lover !
|> Just a question, what is a way for me to find Red Wings tickets?
|> Lori Tracewell

Er, call the box office?


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:34:52 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Joe Theisman's predictions!

'Ole Joe, gave four teams the nod this weekend prediciting the following
championship games : 49ers/Dallas in the NFC and Steelers/Bills in the AFC.
Steelers didn't play bad.  They played well in the 2nd half.  Would've tied
14-14 (Bills were about to go in at the end.)  But the Steelers will never
get to the Super Bowl without a secondary/and or/pash rush.  Kelly had all
day and night and then some to pass, plus his receivers were open forever.
For the Steelers to win, they'll need this game in Pittsburgh.  Thanks
Cleveland!  Looking good!
AFC's Top 5
-----------
1. Miami Dolphins (better head to head)   2. Buffalo Bills
To be determined in Barcelona, er, uh, I mean Miami!
3. Pittsburgh Steelers
   Denver Broncos
(Don't know how the tiebreakers go after best AFC record - doesn't really
matter right now.  Both are ahead in divisions.  Just wondering, who would
get the home game in the playoffs should it occur?)
5. Kansas City Chiefs - this gets weird - once this happens, this makes it
                        a two team tiebreaker and..........
6. Cleveland Browns - better AFC Central Division Record (split with Houston
                      head to head)
So, bye bye Houston!  Go to Minnesota and don't come back!!!!!!
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NFC to be announced.                                      -Robbie Po
From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What's up with Peter Ahola?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:22:12 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscpk.larc.nasa.gov

>dvb@penguin (D Van Beveren) writes:

>...
> What happened to Brian Sakic? Where has Niklas Lidstrom been? I see that
> Lidstrom finally has some points, was he injured?

I saw the Erie Panthers at the Hampton Roads Admirals (ECHL) on Nov 6 and 
Erie had a Brian Sakic. Is this the same guy?  Any relation to Joe?


========================================
William J. Bene
Computer Sciences Corporation
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov



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From: sad@sei.cmu.edu (Susan Dart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penguins' news
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:26:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Nov6.182633.28567
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


Jeff Chychrun has been traded to LA for Peter (last name I didn't hear).

Mario definitely has back problems - a friend of mine talked to one of his
doctors, and a new problem has appeared in the middle back. The doctors don't
know what this new problem is.

Susan Dart
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From: dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson)
Subject: Re: LEAFS: Toronto 0 at Chicago 1
Keywords: YES!
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:47:19 GMT

Hey Daryl, what a sweet, sweet victory that was by Toronto over the
Penguins on Saturday.
Comments?


Dave.
From: vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Semenov
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:14:28 GMT
	<1992Nov9.205305.21529@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan

In article <1992Nov9.205305.21529@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> In article <VANDER.92Nov9140311@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
> >What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
> >unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
> >so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?
> 
> Edmonton has two 30-plus year old centers already in MacTavish and
> Nicholls, and had to make room for the new generation...Tyler Wright
> and Vladimir Vujtek.  There is nothing wrong with Semenov except 
> for perhaps a low pain threshold.  The Oilers just couldn't afford
> to protect so many older centers in the expansion draft.

Well, if they have (what I assume to be) a young Russian coming up,
why wouldn't they want to keep Semenov around as a mentor, and leave
MacTavish (or another older player) unprotected?
 
--
Mike van der Velden             
s-mail: Distributed Systems Laboratory, Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.
        1015, Kamikodanaka Nakahara-ku, Kawasaki 211, Japan
e-mail: vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: SABRES Update: Malarchuk, Fuhr
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.125348.26236@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:

>This trade will not happen because the Leafs are playing great!  Why break
>
>up the team chemistry when they are winning.  If they are in a losing streak,
>it'll be a  different story.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

So, you mean, an injured goalie, who had nothing to do with the upsurge of the
team thus far, if traded, would break up the team chemistry?  Gosh.  That Grant
Fuhr must be a hell of a cheerleader!

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:34:09 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: CMU Hockey results


>CMU              7
>Penn State West  3 (this might be 4.  The scoreboard wasn't working
>                    and I started losing track of things.)


I was right in thinking I might be wrong.  The final score was
CMU-8; PSW-3.
From: palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Devils Tix
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:11:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:


>How much are the cheapest tickets for Devils game?
>Also, anyone know how hard it would be to get tix for the Habs game on Wed?

>--Dave

	Cheapest seats are in the corners of the upper deck.  Those go for
about $14.00 a pop.
	Experience shows that if you purchase these tickets, you will be able 
to move down quite a bit.  Getting to the lower level is a bit more difficult.
Most of the time security checks for ticket stubs.  One way to get to these
seats is to buy tickets from the scalpers in the parking lot.  They usually
will sell at well below the face value of the ticket.  I guess that says 
something about the popularity of hockey in NJ!

GOOD LUCK!
Randy Palmer
palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu

see ya on wednesday?
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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Team Payroll/Season Ticket count
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:21:34 GMT

In article <23986@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) writes:
|> =====================================
|> 1992 NHL Team Season Ticket Count
|> =====================================
|> 
|>     Team	  Tickets	Pct.
|> ------------------------------------
|> 24. Tampa Bay   5,000	48%
|> 

Weren't they required to have 10,000 season tickets in addition
to $50 Million to enter the league?

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