From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.220626.10700@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

><1992Dec24.001707.4181@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) :

>><1992Dec22.194755.21291@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :

>>>Young might be the next Danny White.

>>Yeah, right.  And Troy Aikman is the next Joe Montana.

>Nah, Troy's got better physical talent.

But lesser coaching.

>>We're never going to get meaningful career stats from Young due to
>>his age, but comparing him to a scrub like Danny White is absurd.

>That "scrub" had the highest rated passing stats for much of his career.

Which is a larger statement on the veracity of the passing stat than it
is on Danny White.  And before you get off a rim shot, bear in mind that
I'v never pointed to passing stats as the sole, or even the primary, 
method of assessing QB talent.

>He led his team to a few playoff victories too.  How many playoff
>victories does Young have?  White also went to a few Pro-Bowls.  How many
>Pro-Bowls has Young appeared in?

Those are unfair comparisons and you know it.  How much exposure would you
expect White to have had sitting behind Montana?  How many playoff games
would he have been in for anything other than mop-up, let alone won?

>Danny White was not the best QB, certainly not in Elway's or Staubach's
>class, but he was hardly a scrub.

OK; "scrub" might have been a bit harsh, but to me, White was the 
quintessential example of a player looking better from having talent
all around him.  Talented WRs, an extraordinary RB, an awesome line,
a defense that kept the *opponent's* defense on the field for most of
the game, superior coaching, and (if you believe in such things) the
Cowboy mystique.  White, IMHO, needed to be with the very best in order
to shine.  While I acknowledge that Young probably couldn't lead the
Seahawks to the Big Dance, his running skills alone make him a more
versatile and effective QB than White.

>>Since I know that Gordon isn't quite that ignorant as a football fan,
>>I expect he doesn't believe this himself, and merely posted it to get
>>a rise out of John Gloria et al.  Gordon's probably giggling to himself
>>even as we speak.

>I was referring to a QB taking over for a legend.  White took over for
>Staubach, Young for Montana.  White had a lot of talent at his disposal
>for much of his starting career and put some impressive stats together,
>but failed to win the big one.  I only note that Young is in a similar
>situation.  

Except that we're talking about White in the past tense, and Young could
have several more years at it.

>Although he missed 6 games last year (his first year starting)
>they had a better win/loss percentage with Bono.  

Too small a sample space, and too many mitigating circumstances, to be 
meaningful.

>Now he's having a
>great statistical year, but he's still got to compete with Montana's
>shadow (like White had to with Staubach's shadow) and that means winning a
>SB.  I was referring to the similarities in their starting roles.

Again, Young's 0 for (an incomplete) 1 in winning it all.  Given the
abruptness of developments at the start of the '91 season, I don't know
that any QB (except for Joe himself) could have done better.  It's way
too early to start making White/Young career comparisons.  Even though
Young's 30 years old, his NFL career is just starting.

>>Too bad those giggles will turn to whimpers in the coming weeks.

>Why do you say that?  Will Gloria become the newsgroup moderator?

Gordon, your sense of humor is definitely getting better.  (Probably a
sign of an improving Bowboy team.)  I have to admit I laughed out loud
at this.

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