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From: sullivanc.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Chris Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Silly Wizard- Trad. Scottish music
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:42:00 GMT

In article <08JAN93.19871402.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, BFWL@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFWL) writes:
|> WHat do people here on the list know about Silly Wizard?
|> I came across a CD  called Live Wizardry during the holidays and
|> I wondered if anyone could tell me about them.

I don't know much about their recent goings on, though I believe they are still in business,
but I do have some great memories of them from the seventies (doesn't that age you?)

When I was at college in Liverpool, Silly Wizard were for a while virtually the house band at
the Everyman Theatre in Hope Street.  When the theatre was about to close down for renovation,
the management decided to hold 'Hooley's Hope Street Wake', which involved taking all the seats
out of the theatre, installing trestle tables and chairs, and holding, as the name suggests,
a wake for the old theatre.  Silly Wizard took full part in this; as well as playing good music,
amongst other things they drove piglets amongst the audience, and the fiddle player demonstated
escapology by putting on a straitjacket and blindfold, and being hoisted to the ceiling upside
down.  He then proceeded to escape, have his fiddle hauled up to him, and hang, bat-like,
from the rafters playing reels. 

Must have been a good night to remember it 20 years later!

Chris
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: weaving the threads
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:46:34 GMT


This morning, I was listening to Monitor Radio (news and features from
the Christian Science Monitor), and heard a few things that seemed to
tie a bunch of recent threads together.  First there was a report from
a correspondent named Emma Gray, who must be an heir to the fortune
of Lady Mondegreen.  Then there was a feature on celtic harpist,
Loreena McKennitt.  Her sound is kind of new-agey, and, though I was
half-asleep at the time, I thought I heard some lyrics that aren't
terribly compatible with Christian dogma.  How's that for the work
of a weaver?  (Sorry, I couldn't get Hungarian music or shards of
plastic in cans of Guinness in there.)

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
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From: spencer@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Stephen N. Spencer)
Subject: Re: shawn colvin - any recordings/any format
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:19:12 GMT

In article <MARTIN.93Jan7005601@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.035708.20392@gvl.unisys.com> wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com 
>(Bill Pringle) writes:
>
>   Try the music ftp archives.  They have an extensive set of
>   discographies.  Since I happen to be the source of Shawn Colvin's
>   discography, I know that hers is there :^)
>
>You keep mentioning the ftp archives but never tell us where they are!
>I've been dying to take a look at your discography.  Please give the
>address whenever you mention them.  Thanks.
>

That would be "ftp.uwp.edu", which is 131.210.1.4.  Lots and lots 'o stuff.
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From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Johnny Cunningham (was: Silly Wizard)
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:37:00 GMT
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In article <MARTIN.93Jan12091200@lyra.cis.umassd.edu>, martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes...
>In article <1993Jan12.063513.22003@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
> 
>   >Johnny Cunningham is in Boston, playing fiddle for a rock band called the
>Johnny is also doing some producing (I think he did Brooks Williams' new
>general consensus was that he had a lot of time on his hands because
>he wasn't in a band at the moment.  So maybe the Raindogs have broken

Johnny also played on Bill Morrisey's _Inside_ and _Standing Eight_.
A friend of mine saw him touring with Morrissey last year in
Asheville, NC.
Incidentally, if you even remotely enjoy Scottish/Celtic trad.
music, I strongly suggest you rent/buy/borrow the Silly Wizard
tape. It was recorded live at Center Stage in Atlanta on their
farewell tour. Andy is a real hoot, and Johnny shows off a dry
wit which plays well off of Andy.

"Shamuuuu" - Johnny Cunningham

-Tom
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Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:25:35 CET
From: <LKILLICK@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Who made this harp?
Distribution: austin

That's an interesting story about one harp's particular history (is 17 years
old really antique in America?).

However, what I'd like to ask is what's "quaint" about English instrument
makers, with or without leather aprons???

Len Killick
(English instrument repairer, living in Germany, so I'm probably
 not quaint).
From: ccshf@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Henry Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Sirocco
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:41:25 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


I have just heard a  tape by an unusual band called Sirocco.
Tha tape originated in Australia (Queensland), but I have no
idea where the band comes from. They play an unusually gripping
mixture of Celtic/Persian/Andean music, with the relevant combinations
of instruments, + clarinet/sax, electric guitar, pipes, schawm, and
recordings of birdsong (one of which I am think is Australian, because
I think I remember it from a nature program). The tape is called Voyage
and I'd love to find out more about the band, and if they have any other
tapes/cds and where I can get them from. 
Henry Ford
Bath
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm K. Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fairport Convention tour dates UK
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:49:37 -0500
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In article <1993Jan12.162710.5333@fmg.bt.co.uk> pky@fmg.bt.co.uk writes:
>I was going to limit this to the UK, but then it struck me that some
>of you 'merkins might be planning a visit during February.

this may come as a shock to you, being an islander and all that, but there
are other inhabited parts of the globe, eg, Australia, Germany, Hong Kong,
Canada, Peru, Sweden.  I think that's it, though I've heard rumours of a
place called Belgium.

Anyway, the band did rehearsals for three days last week, their first since
1985 or so.  Fiddler Ric Sanders is back in business, after a six month lay off
as a result of a painful encounter with a plate glass window and reconstructive
surgery to his left arm.

I was somewhat startled to learn that three oldies are being added to the set,
Genesis Hall (a Thompson song), Polly On The Shore (Trevor sang this adaptation
of an old lyric to Peggy's tune), and Sir Patrick Spens (alledgedly recorded for
Liege & Lief but left off, the only Denny sung version that has surfaced so far
is a Beeb broadcast).

I assume Simon will be warbling throughout.

He will be doing a number of songs from his own recent CD.


-- 
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From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Silly Wizard- Trad. Scottish music
Keywords: Johnny Cunningham Silly Wizard Raindogs Red Rockers
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:15:29 GMT

In article <MARTIN.93Jan12091200@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> 
martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.063513.22003@netcom.com> 
>eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
>
>   Johnny Cunningham is in Boston, playing fiddle for a rock band called the
>   Raindogs, and Phil Cunningham is spending most of his time as a producer
>   (and an excellent one at that).  Some of his latest work is on the two
>   albums by the Scots Celtic-rock band Wolfstone.  I don't know what Gordon
>   Jones and Martin Hadden are up to.
>
>Johnny is also doing some producing (I think he did Brooks Williams' new
>album) and playing backup on lots of albums (Dave Crossland and Erica
>Wheeler come to mind).  When I mentioned this at Sandy Sheehan's (of
>Sandy's Music on Mass. Ave. in Cambridge) New Year's Eve party, the
>general consensus was that he had a lot of time on his hands because
>he wasn't in a band at the moment.  So maybe the Raindogs have broken
>up?  I don't know for sure, though.  Someone also mentioned bumping
>into him a few times at various Celtic music sessions in the Boston
>area.

When I was back home in New Orleans for Christmas, I saw a one-off reunion
concert of a local band called the Red Rockers (y'all might remember their
minor hit "China" around '83).  One of the former members of the Red Rockers,
Darren Hill, is currently a member of the Raindogs, and that was alluded to
at the show.  They seem to have had some personnel changes, though, as
another former Red Rocker, Jim Reilly (formerly the drummer of Stiff Little
Fingers and then of the Raindogs) was said to have moved back to Belfast.

Maybe Johnny has left the Raindogs, which would be fine with me.  Their
last album was mediocre, and his amazing talent was completely buried in
this band, IMHO.

Chuck
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From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Alison Brown
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:32:19 GMT
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In article <1993Jan2.022923.19251@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rblackma@nyx.cs.du.edu (robert blackman) writes:

In addition to the information provided, Alison's first album
was called "Pre-Sequel." It was made with fiddler Stuart Duncan
when both were in their teens and living in the LA area. I think
it's still available, though perhaps only from them.

Also, just before joining Alison Krauss, Alison Brown played
banjo and guitar for a Bay Area band called Heartland.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
From: jimcole@adobe.com (Jim Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Alison Brown
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:22:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
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In article <1993Jan2.022923.19251@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
rblackma@nyx.cs.du.edu (robert blackman) wrote:
> 
> 
> Re the inquiry about Alison Brown...She's best known as a banjo player
> (bluegrass style) although she's a fine guitarist also.  She has two
> CDs on Vanguard, "Simple Pleasures" (Vanguard 79459, from 1990) and
> "Twilight Motel" (Vanguard 79465, from 1992).  Both are all-instrumental
> except for Maura O'Connell singing "Sweet Thames Flow Softly" on the
> second album.  The music tends to be either fairly straightforward
> bluegrass style or David Grisman-like "new acoustic music."  In fact,
> Grisman produced the first album and plays on it.  Alison also spent
> some time as the banjo player in Alison Krauss' bluegrass band Union
> Station (and Krauss plays on the "Simple Pleasures" CD).  Both albums
> are pretty good -- very well played, certainly.  Personally I get a
> little tired of "new acoustic music" (I like the bluegrassier numbers
> that break up the albums) but I doenjoy both of these.  All of the
> music is original except for "Sweet Thames" (a Ewan MacColl song).
> Overall I'd say that you'd like these records if you like Grisman-type
> stuff or other somewhat jazzy acoustic music.  If you're a hard-core
> bluegrass fan, these might be a little further out than you prefer,
> although they're much closer to straight bluegrass than, say, Bela
> Fleck and the Flecktones.
> Alison has a BA from Harvard in American history and literature,
> played with the Boston-area band Northern Lights, got an MBA in
> finance and marketing from UCLA, became an investment banker for 2 
> years, then was asked to join Alison Krauss' band when they lost their
> banjo player.  (She also plays on Krauss' album "I've Got That Old
> Feeling" on Rounder.)  She gave up banking when the Krauss gig 
> worked out so well.
> --Bob Blackman, WKAR Radio, East Lansing, MI

---------

Alison also has an LP with Stewart Duncan (now of the Nashville Bluegrass
Band) from the mid 80s.  I don't know the name or the availability.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Silly Wizard- Trad. Scottish music
Keywords: Silly Wizard
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:35:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.094200.5856@spectrum.xerox.com> sullivanc.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Chris Sullivan) writes:
>In article <08JAN93.19871402.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, BFWL@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFWL) writes:
>|> WHat do people here on the list know about Silly Wizard?
>|> I came across a CD  called Live Wizardry during the holidays and
>|> I wondered if anyone could tell me about them.
>
>I don't know much about their recent goings on, though I believe they are 
>still in business, but I do have some great memories of them from the
>seventies (doesn't that age you?)

As far as I know, Silly Wizard are no longer together as a band.

Andy M. Stewart is still concentrating on his duo work, which until
recently was with Manus Lunny, and is still singing and writing.  But since
Manus Lunny is devoting his full energies to Capercaillie, I understand
that his new singing and playing partner will be Gerry O'Beirne.

Johnny Cunningham is in Boston, playing fiddle for a rock band called the
Raindogs, and Phil Cunningham is spending most of his time as a producer
(and an excellent one at that).  Some of his latest work is on the two
albums by the Scots Celtic-rock band Wolfstone.  I don't know what Gordon
Jones and Martin Hadden are up to.

Silly Wizard have made many fine albums, beginning (I believe) with
CALEDONIA'S HARDY SONS in 1978.  Other recommended albums are SO MANY
PARTINGS, WILD AND BEAUTIFUL and KISS THE TEARS AWAY.  

LIVE WIZARDRY is culled from two live LP's entitled LIVE IN AMERICA and
GOLDEN, GOLDEN.  Unfortunately, a few tracks had to be left off for it all
to fit on the CD.  Their last studio album was A GLINT OF SILVER, and is
wonderful.  (What am I forgetting?)

Oh yes, there's an excellent video of a concert from their final tour,
which (like many of the albums) is available from Green Linnet Records.

Andy's had two solo albums, BY THE HUSH and SONGS OF ROBERT BURNS, and
three albums with Manus Lunny: FIRE ON THE GLEN (with Phil Cunningham),
DUBLIN LADY and AT IT AGAIN.  Phil's produced so many records in the last
few years that I can't even begin to recall them, but one that leaps into
mind is CAUSEWAY, by the wonderful Scots Gaelic singer Mairi MacInnes.

You should buy all of these records!  :-)

Chuck
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From: lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU (J. Lani Herrmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Mondegreens; was Mangled song lyrics
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:13:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Summary: Sylvia Wright was first to name 'em

Just to give credit where it REALLY belongs: I believe the term mondegreens 
was first used by an essayist named Sylvia Wright, who published the original
piece ("The Death of Lady Mondegreen") in Harper's Magazine and then included 
it in a 1957 anthology of her stuff published by McGraw-Hill entitled _Get away 
from Me with Those Christmas Gifts: and other reactions_. 
	The essay deals with her tendency (talent?) to hear mondegreens
everywhere, and how much people miss if they don't. It defines a few other
mondegreens: Hizzeray, Harold, Good Mrs Murphy, and some really pretty obscure
ones (you hadda been there!).
	She also wrote a post-essay, more populated but not half so funny, 
called "The Quest for Lady Mondegreen," also printed at the end of the same 
book.
	(To be fair, I have never asked Jon-the-columnist whether he has 
given Ms Wright true-due credit or not.)
	-- Lani (with thanks to Bette Sikes, former colleague from the
University of Chicago Press, who first introduced me to Sylvia Wright)

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Coffee songs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:17:25 GMT

sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:

>I just wanted to point out that there is more than one style of
>coffee in the Middle East. Turkish coffee (qahwa turkiyya) is
>made of roasted coffee beans with sugar and cardamon (hail).

Thank you for correcting my imprecision.  The song must in fact refer
to Turkish coffee, for it contains the line

	kafe b'sukar lo yutan (coffee with sugar added to it).

It goes on to specify "and water, half the can.  Let it boil twice;
add some more water...."
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
From: fury9600@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Kai Heinecke (Neuhaus))
Subject: Re: Advice on Hungarian CDs wanted
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:04:38 GMT

krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans) writes:

>I have an opportunity to have a friend in Budapest pick up a few CDs
>for me.  The trouble is, I haven't the foggiest idea what would be 
>worthwhile. 

>I'll also welcome recommendations for good folk-rock, folk or rock Hungarian
>albums.  Please include a capsule description if you can.

I was just in Budapest over the new year and picked up some records myself.
Couldn't find any CDs, but I didn't look that hard. I got two records of 
Tanchaz style, that is dance house. They are collections of various traditional
songs, and very enjoyable. One from Muszicas and the other from Meta. Meta is
a music group which normally plays traditional hungarina folk music. They 
run a weekly dance house in Budapest and we went to their new years 
celebration. They played with a rock band called Herfli Davidson. I think
Herfli means something like harmonica in hungarian, at least they had a pretty
wild harmonica player. While Meta was playing with Herfli they called themselves
Heavy Meta, and it was quite enjoyable folk-rock. I don't know if they've 
got anything recorded, but you might want to have your friend keep their eyes
open.

Good luck,
Chip
chip@drnhh.neuhaus.de

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: UK CD price fixing
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:17:59 GMT


In article <C0AwJG.G1H@world.std.com>, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes...

>I noticed prices of amatuer radio equipment are higher in the UK than the
>U.S. It almost like they rub off the dollar sign and put the pound sign in
>place of it.

Hi Eric!
	It isn't just radio equipment - many products follow this ficticious
1 for 1 exchange rate. I've started a discussion thread on soc.culture.british
about this...

	Craig

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From: asteiner@access.digex.com (Alan J. Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Little Floyd Collins
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:21:39 GMT
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In article <79153@hydra.gatech.EDU> cm9@prism.gatech.EDU (MCKEITHAN,CLIFFORD M.) writes:
>A friend has asked for the words to a 
>song called Little Floyd Collins.
>
>I don't have it in my collection and
>am not familiar with it.  I checked
>to see if he was confusing it with
>Pretty Boy Floyd, but he says it is
>completely different.  Does anyone
>have any information and perhaps the
>words to this one?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>-- 
>MCKEITHAN,CLIFFORD M.
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:     ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!cm9
>Internet: cm9@prism.gatech.edu

This may be the song "The Death of Floyd Collins" which was a hit for
Vernon Dalhart.  The book "Country Music U.S.A." by folklorist Bill C.
Malone says it was released on at least nineteen different labels,
although the original was on Columbia in the 1920's.

Also, per that book, the song was written by Rev. Andrew Jenkins of Georgia.
Collins was a "spelunker" or cave explorer.  He got stuck in the cave in
question and died there.

I gather that the song was recorded again during the 60's folk revival,
but I don't know who may have done those recordings.

You may find the song on historical country music reissues on Columbia or
something like the Smithsonian collections of country music.

Good luck!

Al Steiner
asteiner@access.digex.com
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From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: Lady Mondegreen
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:12:40 GMT


Hey, I love having a slick word for this phenomenon!  (I recently heard a
friend sing "there's a bathroom on the right" in place of "there's a bad
moon on the rise").  For years I listened to Stan Rogers on tapes of tapes
of tapes... of scratchy old vinyls.  Finally I acquired CD's and I
had to re-learn the words to half his songs I thought I knew...  
	The song that used to puzzle me most (Fisherman's Warf) was suddenly 
made clear.  I never knew what he meant by "I looked from the Cinema-dawn to
the hills"  which is really "I looked from the citadel down to the
narrows", and "I saw a percanade in concreted glass"  (_what_ is a
perconade??) which of course is "I saw upper Canadia concrete and glass".  
However, occasionally I prefer my own Mondegreen to the actual words (not
with Stan, of course).  
Lisa