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From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: TE News Summary
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:28:06 GMT


News Summary (taken from 'ulahath thamizar' newspaper of Toronto) 15-07-1992

(1) ceddikkuLam army base destryed by LTTE. 
    55 SL soldiers and 6 LTTE cadres killed.

    ceddikuLam army camp was attacked on the 11-07-92 Sat. early morning
    by the LTTE special commando.  55 SL soldiers were killed, 11 more
    were seriously injured. Also 107 pieces of modern weapons were
    taken.

(2) Y-8 military transport plane shot down

    On 05-07-92, at 4.58 pm, between Elephant pass and VeRRilaik kENi,
    a Sri-lankan airforce plane (YUNSHUJI) Y-8 was shot down.  It is the
    only one of its type in Sri-lanka.  It was recently purchased from
    China.

(3) Three T-55 tanks destroyed

    Three T-55 tanks were destroyed in VeRRilaikENi battle on 4-7-92 and
    9-7-92.

(4) kOvai mahEsan died in Madras

    Former editor of 'suthanthiran', 'cudar', 'veeravEngai', kOvai mahEsan
    died on 4-7-92 at 7.30 am in Madras.  He was ill for a long time.

(5) Airvice Marshal Harry Gunatilaka admits that the SF-260-SIA MARCHETTI
    plane was infact shot down by LTTE during the Jaffna Fort battle.

(6) "In two years 3000 SL army killed", reports 'The Island'.

The above news headlines were taken from the Tamil newspaper 'ulahath
thamizar', published and distributed free of charge by the World
Tamil Movement in Toronto.  Their address is:

The World Tamil Movement
64, Eaton Ave.,
Toronto, Ontario
M4J 2Z5

Office Telephone number  (416) 461-5991

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: STOP TE NEWS
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:57:32 GMT

In article <Bs7IwL.AB5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.141552.29316@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B) writes:
> > 	 BROTHERS AND SISTERS
> >
> >		I BEG YOUR PARDON. NO TE OR LTTE NEWS ON THIS
> >GROUP PLEASE. THANK YOU.
> >
> >
> >			RAGHU,BALASUBRAMANIAN
> >  
> 
> How about TN news/politics (such Rajani next CM etc) ?
> 
> Meenan Vishnu
> 


       This appears to be a "hot" topic with strong feelings running among
       valaaignar's ! I am also against propaganda but I don't see why 
       *events* and other *facts* related to Tamil-speaking Srilankns, or
       Malasians, Singapoorians, should not be posted by a valagnar if he
       felt it important enough to share with fellow-valagnars. I certainly
       would think it undesirable if some "philosophy" or "political ideas"
       of some "terrorist" organizations is posted but even then the best
       one can do is to ignore such stuff ( can not prevent I think !). 
       
       I come from Tamil Naadu and I honestly don't like violence. I honestly
       don't know much about Srilanka's politics but know in a superficial way
       that Tamils are strugling to secure a more happy living there. Some
       truly informative unbiased information about *happenings* in Tamil-
       speaking lands would be of interest to anyone who is interested in 
       Tamils not just Tamils.

       The people who post articles should assess the interest an item will
       have in this valai if they are at all interested in being viewed in
       "good light". This does not mean that "unpopular" ideas should not be
       discussed because many a time the so called unpopular ideas are those
       that become "culture" later on ! 

       If we want to call this net as min_avai we might as well keep good
       traditions of avai_nataththai which is to honourably debate and 
       discuss. ThiruvaLLuvar says 

         epporuL eththanmaith thaayinum apporuL
         meypporuL kaaNpathu arivu

      Respectfully submitted for valagnars and valai_aRignars ( net gurus)

   Selva Selvakumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar)
Subject: Re: Tamil for English-Speakers?
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:27:47 EDT

Here's a good book (IMHO) that teaches conversational tamil.

   An intensive course in Tamil 
   - by S.Rajaram
     Central Institute of Indian Languages, 1979.

However it uses the Devanagari and Tamil scripts initially, and switches
to the Tamil script exclusively after a few chapters. It would be a major
help if you could go through the book with a person who knows Tamil.

Alternatively, you could try one of the many "Learn tamil in 30 days" type
of books if you can find someone who is leaving for Madras.

-- Ravi
From: raj@news.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: For people at Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:35:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Originator: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu


My brother got admission in Indiana University of Pennsylvania
for Spring 93 and going to enroll in M.S physics. I want to
know more details about IUP. If anyone out there , they
may please email to me. 


Krishna raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: 5700aa@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: TE News - Ignore the news!
Organization: GMU                                          
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:15 GMT


> mvishnu@bcr4.uwaterloo.ca (Meenashi Vishnu)
>Dear Netters:

>There have been many outcries about the "LTTE propaganda" in the net.
>For those who are new to the netland, I would like to introduce
>an ex-professor named Jayantha Herath (alias HLPI, GMUVAX etc).
>This ex-professor has managed to scare netters from the soc.culture.
>sri-lanka by his continuous junk postings.

Alright, thanks for introducing me to the net too.
But one thing, 
trying to blame on innocent to let you get away with it
is the cheapest way a real man will do.

>I will continue to post news items from Toronto newspapers.  If you
>want to take it as LTTE propaganda that is fine with me.  But I
>am not responsible for the junk postings from the ex-professor 
>Jayantha Herath (or any of his aliases).
                                ^^^^^^^^ 
hmmm... maybe raggie and idt.unit.no are his aliases too.

Please go ahead and post more news like the following 6th rape news 
came out of the 5th.
It is very entertaining.

->From: raggie@ygg.idt.unit.no (Raggie Davidrajuh)
->Subject: CEASEFIRE VIOLATIONS BY THE SL ARMED FORCES
->
->The following report was received on 5th.
->According to V.O.T 6th of jan., some tamil women were
->raped at a refugee camp in Batticaloa and also
->in a village(in Batticaloa) by the SL armed forces.

>I will not yield to pressures of 'thamizp-pahaivar' either from within
>the Tamil community or outside it. 

>Meenan Vishnu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Is Thirukkural a jainist work ? ( NOT ! )
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:14:24 GMT

     Why not I add the kuRal which I liked for TiruvaLLuvar cursing God.

iranthum uyirvazhthal veNdin paranthu
keduca ivvulagi yatRiyan

my poor translation:

     If somebody has to live by alms, let the creater of this world be ridden.



S. Sankarapandi

ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar)
Subject: Re: naangaam thamizh (Technical Tamil)
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:00:58 EDT

srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>     (vii) Will it not affect the recruitment for jobs or studies by creating
>>langauge biases.
>
>These problems, very much related to all the other kind of quotas and
>reservations are deterrants to overall progress. All I can think of is
>that, we could use this as a justification to abandon all progressive ideas.

All I can think of is that, whenever there is a genuine problem to be
discussed we can brush it aside by saying "we could use this a justification
to abandon all progressive ideas".

>>S.Sankarapandi
>K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca

-- Ravi

==============================================================================
  selvaththul selvam sevi-ch-chelvam a-ch-chelvam
  selvaththul ellam thalai
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Re: " A PATIAL CORRECTION"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:05:32 GMT

In article <19380@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>Ravi V. Shankar  Writes in <1992Jul26.140858.13133@newstand.syr.edu>
>
>>pal, pallu = tooth
>
>>I just remembered this song. Here's it is :-)
>
>>aimbathilum pallu vizhum
>>ainthilum pallu vizhum
>>aanaal aimbathil pallu vizhunthaal
>>athu thirumba oru murai mulaikkaathamma
>
>>It basically makes fun of the song "aimbathilum aasai varum" from
>>"thirisoolam". It is sung to the same tune.
>   **********
>
>
>  Sorry!  You got it wrong. This song is not from THIRISOOLAM. It

Rishimoolam

Gopu
--
email: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu
From: nas_ng@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov. (Naga Ganesan)
Subject: kaaNi nilam (BHARATIYAR)
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:30:26 GMT





                         kaaNi nilam
                         -----------


              kaaNi nilamveeNTum - paraacakti
                 kaaNi nilamveeNTum; - angkut
              tuuNil azhakiyataay - nanmaaTangkaL
                 tuyya niRattinataay - antak
              kaaNi nilattiTaiyee - oormaaLikai
                 kaTTit taraveeNTum; - angkuk
              keeNi yarukinilee -tennaimarak
                 kiiRRu miLaniirum,

              pattup panniraNTu - tennaimaram
                 pakkatti leeveeNum; - nalla
              muttuc cuTarpoolee - nilaavoLi
                 muNpu varaveeNum; - angkuk
              kattung kuyiloocai - caRReevantu
                 kaatiR paTaveeNum; - enRan
              cittam makizhntiTavee - naNRaayiLan
                 teNRal varaveeNum.

              paaTTuk kalantiTavee - angkeeyoru
                 pattinip peNveeNum; - engkaL
              kuuTTuk kaLiyinilee - kavitaikaL
                 koNTu taraveeNum; - antak
              kaaTTu veLiyinilee, - ammaa! ninRan
                 kaava luRaveeNum; -enRan
              paaTTut tiRattaalee - ivvaiyattaip
                 paalit tiTaveeNum.


                                  ci. cuppiramaNiya paarati.


  
This is one of the very best of Bharati's poems. At a time when Tamil
writing was harping on the ills of old age, fate, horoscopes, the 
fleeting nature of life, renunciation, etc, there comes a bright and 
youthful star proclaiming the good things in life and demands from 
Mother Goddess what all he desires in his life.

N. Ganesan
nas_ng@gese03.jsc.nasa.gov
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:274 alt.culture.tamil:1048
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Female lyricists in Tamil Films?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:56:14 GMT
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Hello Netters:

Tha title says it all! The only female lyricist I have ever
known was "Roshanara Begum" ( the song "kungumap pottin
manglam, nenjamirandin sangamam" in the MGR film "kudiyiruntha
koyil"?). It is a very good song and I've read that "kannadasan"
made sure that she didn't get any further chances.

Does anyone else know about some other female lyricist?


-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: krish@athena.mit.edu (Viswanathan Krishnan)
Subject: Tamizh in Schools
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:53:43 GMT

Folks: I write this article as one of the last students to study 
Tamizh in this Madras school (please, let me keep the school's name 
confidential). From the year after I graduated, Tamizh was scrapped 
from the 10+1 level onwards for lack of interest. In my class there
were just 3 students, a tragic sight in Tamil Nadu. 

The school was not to blame, it is just unprofitable for them to have 
tamizh when there were no students. The students had there one reasons, 
of what use is tamizh in their pursuit for an IIT/medical seat.
The three of us who took tamizh were somewhat of an oddity.

I feel folks, if we really do not tailor tamizh to employment, 
if we do not expand tamizh's vocabulary to make it easier, more
relevant and practical, there is a severe risk of extinction. I
quote my friend from Madras, who is engaged in the Total Literacy
Movement in the villages of Tamizh Nadu:

------------------------------------------------
From: Ramanujan @ Inst. of Math. Sciences.
(Quoted withour permission)

About Teaching Tamizh to Neo-Literates

"... i must point out that while i'm also working on these things, i'm terribly
dissatisfied. of course, we do have financial, infrastructural problems,
but that bothers me less, really, than the LANGUAGE difficulty. right now
what we need is to invent a new language, one which speaks the thoughts of
a neo-literate, fits in with her social and cultural milieu.... 

sorry to sound desperate like this rightaway, but if you would like to
write stuff for neo-literates, ithink you'll have to consider this. we
urge our learner to read newspapers - she can read it alright, but can't
understand a word of it, except the cinema page. there are many different
Tamils at work, caste-wise, class-wise, region-wise and profession-wise.
there is of course the additional difficulty that oral and written Tamil
are very different. the tamils seem to have successfully kept literacy
as a privelege for centuries, and the dynamics has resulted in a plethora
of languages, all different semantically - in use of expressions, idioms
and usage."
----------------------------------------------
Can we see some thoughtful discussion on adapting tamizh to ensure that it not
only survives, but thrives and flourishes.

Lastly, Why tamil, why not Tamizh, why not use our own unique zha.

Ungal Nanban
K


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: pahavan in kuRaL no 1.
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:35:20 GMT

  Some time ago there was a talk about the pahavan in kuRaL no1.
namely,

  akara muthala ezhuthellam aathi
pahavan muthaRe ulaku.


     A lot of scholars took pahavan as the Sanskrit BHAGWAN.

KaNNadhasan says,"PariMezhakar is wrong".

He says pahavan=pagal+an. This is kathiravan in Tamil.
If one takes pahavan as sun then the meaning of the kuRaL is
"Reading and writing (they start in "a" akaram in most languages)
start only after the daylight on the earth."
During those days it was true.

He argues that if one takes pahavan as BHAGWAAN then everybody
including Buddha, Mahaveera and even Rajneesh will have to
be included."

Kathiravan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nas_ng@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov. (Naga Ganesan)
Subject: Book on Tyagaraja, Oxford University Press
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:19:03 GMT






A book on Tyagaraja, saint-poet has been published by Oxford 
University Press. It contains nice translations of Tyagaraja's
kritis.


William Jackson, 
Tyagaraja, Life and Lyrics
Oxford University Press, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar)
Subject: "Pallu-p-paattu"
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:08:58 EDT

pal, pallu = tooth

I just remembered this song. Here's it is :-)

aimbathilum pallu vizhum
ainthilum pallu vizhum
aanaal aimbathil pallu vizhunthaal
athu thirumba oru murai mulaikkaathamma

It basically makes fun of the song "aimbathilum aasai varum" from
"thirisoolam". It is sung to the same tune.

-- Ravi

P.S. The joke could be lost in the translation. The original song says
"love can come to you even when you are fifty ..." while the modified
version says 

    You can lose a tooth when you are fifty
    You can lose a tooth when you are five
    But if you lose a tooth at fifty
    You cannot get a new one in its place.
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please start a news group soc.cul.indian.tamil that is moderated.
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:02:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul30.231622.28707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, prv@po.CWRU.Edu (Pallassana R. Venkataraman) writes...
> 
>	its existence. Hence I request the persons concerned to start a new
>	newsgroup. 

Good idea.  Let us start soc.culture.indian.tamil and save it from LTTE tigers

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Tamil for English-Speakers?
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.132747.2141@newstand.syr.edu> rshankar@top.cis.syr.
edu (Ravi V. Shankar) writes
(stuff deleted)

>Alternatively, you could try one of the many "Learn tamil in 30 days" type
>of books if you can find someone who is leaving for Madras.

I was given "Learn Tamil in 30 days" and picked up "Learn Tamil in a month"
in Kuala Lumpur. The former is a collection of nouns in the first half, 
followed by elevated speech but with good transliteration throughout. The 
second is much more structural and conversation based. Neither use the 
method of conversational phrases with substitutions which I have found the 
most helpful in my own language learning; as used for example in the 
teaching of te reo Maori, the indigenous language here. After 10 years these 
books have not made much of an impression on me, and I still don't know what
my wife is saying on the phone apart from enna and eppadi (there's trust!) 

After years of book learning, I find I need the printed word, and to be 
gently led from roman script to a new one. That is why I am finding the 
ADAMI91 software (MS DOS) of Dr Srinivasan, described in this newsgroup, 
enjoyable.

I hope that someday someone will write an introduction to Tamil for English 
speakers which uses the common pharases of everyday speech, the kinds of 
things that children say repetitively and well. For most of us speak pretty 
simply much of the time, the strong Tamil tradition for eloquence 
notwithstanding.
Nandri.
-
Brian Shaw    hrpbds@pnv.palm.cri.nz  (Internet)    

Brian Shaw                          Internet: hrpbds@pnv.palm.cri.nz  
The Horticulture & Food Research Institute of New Zealand           
Private Bag 11 030
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New Zealand                                      Fax     +64 6 354 6731
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bommax@cs.tamu.edu (Bommannan S Bommannan)
Subject: Pahlavi dynasty
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.224624.21333@sj.ate.slb.com> phani@sj.ate.slb.com
() writes:
>The area that is now Tamil Nadu was ruled for a while by an Iranian dynasty
>called the Pahlavi dynasty later referred to as Pallavas. What happened to
>these people after the conquest of this dynasty by the Cholas?. How did they
>merge into the society? . Are there any descendants today?

         There are several theories regarding the origin of the Pallavas.
	 According to the Indian History, one theroy states that they are
	 the people from Persia  and later settled in Gujarat areas.  From
	 there, they migrated to Tamil Nadu.  And moreover, there are a lot
	 of controversies in the name Pahlava.  In sanskrit, Pahlava means
	 throat and that was how the country ruled by them got the name
	 Thondai Nadu.  The Pallava kings were at first followers of jainism.
	 They converted to saivaism during the period of Mahendravarman.
	 It was the saint Thirunnavukkarasu who converted him to a saivaite.
	 Jainism was very popular only in the northern part of India and even
	 today it still exists in Gujarat and has very strong roots there.  So,
	 the Indian History sticks to this theory and states that Pallavas
	 were not Tamils by origin and at first they promoted
	 sanskrit(naturally) and later adopted Tamil.  Those days Kanchi,
	 their capital was one of the best sanskrit universities in this sub
	 continent.  

	 Indian History states Simha Vishnu as the founder of the Pallava
	 dynasty.  But there are several other theories which states that
	 even before Simha Vishnu the Pallava dynasty existed.  One of the
	 popular Tamil theroy states that Ellandiraiyars were the real
	 Pallava originals. They existed even before these people came
	 from Gujarat.  One more theory states that Pallavas are from
	 Naga origin (don't remember much about this).

	 The last Pallava king Aparajitha was defeated by a Chola king and
	 during the Cholas rule, they were ruling only a small part of Tamil
	 Nadu (Chinglepet and North Arcot Dist.) and paying taxes to the Chola
	 rulers.  There are no historical evidences of this people after later
	 chola periods.

	 Bommannan S. Bommanan
	 bommax@cs.tamu.edu