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From: dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie)
Subject: New Commentator
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:51:02 GMT

I thought that Rita Moreno did a great job at co-hosting the PBS broadcast of
the DCI finals in the early 80's (anyone remember the year?) I would like to
either see her do it again, or maybe have rotating guest hosts. Some possibil-
ities might be:

Debbie Allen
Tommy Tune
Gregory Hines
Doc Sevrensen (sp?)
Beverly Sills
Linda Ronstadt

Criteria would include understanding how visuals and theatricality interact with
th
a wide variety of musical genres. I don't think experience in each would be 
necessary, but would obviously be a plus.

Comments, other suggestions are welcome. As for Curt, bless his heart, but I
would like to see other people with fresh insights have a shot.   

Darryl Wylie aka Bearhug
From: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bridgemen 1978?
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Wow, a drum corps newsgroup!!! And some Bridgemen related articles!!!
I was a Bayonne Bridgemen in 1982. We played (1) Theme from "Shaft"
(2) Sophisticated Ladies (3) Drum Solo (4) On Broadway (5) NewYork,
New York. If anyone remembers this I will be shocked!!!

Boy, I guess I will be spending too much time on this newsgroup. My
poor thesis will just have yet another competitor for my time.....

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:23:12 CDT

In article <1992Apr10.135454.4938@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.011956.21316@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins) writes:
>>
>>    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me
>>
>>          Just wondering
>>Jeff Hawkins
>>
>
>I could be wrong, but I beleive it's because (1) Drum corps use bugles which 
>are valved instruments, and (2) 'bones and  bugles are in two different keys...
>
>somebody can correct me (nicely,please) if I'm wrong! :)
>
>Kel

Jeff and Kel are right, they aren't the same.  As I posted earlier (in a rather
long posting, sorry) bugles are in no way other than general function (they
are brass instruments) the same.  A trombone in a corps would be as sacrilegous
to a die hard fan as a flute.  There are many people who will never forgive
DCI for going from valve rotar to two valve, not to speak of three.  I have
mixed emotions about the move to three valve.  Aside from the financial burden
stemming from the pressure to keep up with equipment, I think the move will
help corps with weakier musicians to play in tune and in easier keys as well
as give arrangers more freedom.  The negatives are tradition and distinction.
I don't buy either arguement.  Apparently neither did DCI.  The distinction
is intrinsic in the key and design of the bugles alone.  One thing I did not
mention before is that the bugles are all in the key of G.  This is a very
sharp key that adds to the brightness and power of the line.  It appears that
the worry over financial pressures was for nothing.  I have heard of no corps
selling thier souls to the devil for three valves.

I hope the technical gobbelygook doesn't bore you.

Dave
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:01:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.101820.23670@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>>
>>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..
> 
> Trivia:  Which stadium(s?) has the largest grandstand (ie front side line)
> seating capacity goal to goal and end line to end line?  Extra credit, which
> stadium has the largest total capicity?  I won't ask for numbers, since I
> can't remember, but include them if you know....

I'll go for the extra credit, since I don't have references on 
front side line, goal to goal capacities.

The vital stats on finals sites; recent, current and future.

City             Stadium      Capacity  Surface Built   City Pop
---------------- ------------ --------  ------- -----  ---------
Madison WI       Camp Randall   77,745   turf   1917     191,262
Kansas City MO   Arrowhead      78,067   turf   1972?    435,146
Buffalo NY       Rich           80,290   turf   1973?    328,123
Dallas TX        Cotton Bowl    72,032   turf   1932   1,006,877

Jackson MS       Memorial       60,549   grass  1953     196,637
Jacksonville FL  Gator Bowl     82,000   grass  1949     672,971
Boston MA        Foxboro        60,794   turf   1971?    574,283
Lansing MI       Spartan        76,000   turf   1957     127,321

Of recent and future sites:
   Oldest Stadium - Camp Randall
   Newest   "     - Rich
   Biggest  "     - Gator Bowl
   Smallest "     - Memorial
   Biggest City   - Dallas
   Smallest "     - Lansing

( BTW, the biggest stadium in the country, period, is the
  Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA, capacity 104,091. )

Notice the interesting bit about the new Southern sites;
they're both grass fields.  If you plan on marching finals
in '93,'95,'98,'00,'03 or '05 pray for sunshine galore.

 - Jay G.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: TRIVIA
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:42:18 GMT


	What year did DCI allow the drum corps to have a pit section (the
non-marching kind)?  Note: corps used to march everyone on the field.  There
were keyboard marchers (anybody recognize them in 1991 Star?), TYMPANI
marchers (!), and etc..
	What were tom-tom drums?  They were like a cross between multi-tenors 
and bass drums, I think.  They did not sound bad at all (especially in 1986
Blue Devils)  So who was the last to march with them?

	That's enough for now.  BTW, I am rather disappointed in the sites
chosen for DCI finals.  Jackson, Mississippi?  Jacksonville, Florida?
Sheesh, I never knew these cities were ever interested in drum corps let
alone have some.  I just feel that the Board of Directors should have
considered things other than the 'great' deals that these cities submitted.  I
don't know but I feel that city participation should weigh heavily as a
factor.  (Darnit, why was Madison, Wisconsin zotted?)
	It just isn't right when barely anyone shows up to watch the 'Parade'
which is only lasts 3 blocks, when people stare at you and your friends 
wearing corps jackets at stores and they ask you if you are a part of a gang, 
etc..  Where's the town involvement?  That's all I ask.
	Anyone to back me up here?


Michaelw@cco.caltech.edu

:)


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins)
Subject: Question
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:19:56 GMT

Now while Im not an avid watcher of DCI, I watch it whenever I can. Having
marched in a rather large marching band the last four years i have this 
question (please don't flame me on this one)

    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me

          Just wondering
Jeff Hawkins
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:44:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr8.174451.9457
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr8.211829.26963@csn.org> netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc) writes:
>
>The Madison Scouts (corps!) performed Concerto for Guitar and Jazz Orchestra
>and Malaguena in 1988. Their corps was extremely well rounded -- they won no
>captions, but took the championships.
>
>--phil

Actually, Madison did win visual by a tenth or two (I don't remember).  BD
DID have the horn line from hell.  You were right about that.  My CD is
wearing thin there too.

I actually liked SCV's musical book better in 88 than 89.  I can't put my
finger on it, but although it was certainly performed better a year later,
I still found 88 more musically spine-tingling.  Every time I hear the
company front at the end of the show I get shivers.  Music like that makes
drum corps great.

Dave
From: netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Drum Corps Trivia Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:47:13 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Trivia question for the day:

In the "CD Era" for drum corps (1988-now), has DCI ever doctored up a
track? What corps/year?

If you know the answer, I'm curious:

How did they do it? Was it the entire prelim performance, or was the
critical part spliced in?

I realize there may be more than one example, but there was a really obvious
one (you get extra credit if you can point out other ones).  It was
particularly interesting, since DCI actually said that they don't do this in
the "Ask DCI" column in _DCI Today_. Did anyone else notice the coincident
timing of this answer and the release of the CDs that year?

--phil
From: cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps in the NW
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:11:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr9.031117.590
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

>Marietta Cook: Are you that short second soprano? It's me, Tim! You know,
>the one with the big mouth? Yes, I'm still alive,
>and I'm even living in Portland...

  Tim Anderson.  How can I forget you?  By the way we tied for 26th in 1984,
and we placed 22 in '85.  I do not recall beating the Muarders that year, or
was it the Spartans that we did not beat?  
  I have had to deal with my frustrations of George, and I am forced to be
in his company now at Oregon State University.  George has taken up a job
here as percusion insturctor, and the students here like him.  I have had
to bite my lip and be civil.  They still do not understand why I call him
King Tut.
  Anyways, I do not want to tie up a newsgroup with a lot of stuff, could
you possibly email me at cookm@ucs.orst.edu.  Maybe we could catch up on
old times.
			-Marietta Cook  

PS:  5'6" is not that short!

-- 
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  IRCnick: Ren
		"Land on your mocassins not your guccis"
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland)
Subject: Who?, Johanna, and Madden!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:35:11 GMT

Hi everyone,

	Does anyone out there know where old "Reliable Rondo" marched, I  
get the feeling it was somewhere in the Midwest.

	I really don't care for either of the commentators, I wonder why  
they don't get one of the better writers from "DCI TODAY", or "DRUM CORPS  
WORLD" to help out with that.  Also If this is to be a truly competitive  
activity why do they not also provide a more complete "corps profile",  
including a little more background on the music, besides title and  
composer, this is one of those areas in which that writer may be of help.
Also, I would really like to see how much all the corps spend.  Is there a  
MAX amount each corps can spend?  Things like good buses, food and  
equipment trucks, facilities I can pretty much swallow.  SHOULD THERE BE A  
CERTAIN BUDGET LIMIT?  I come from a fairly big corps but we were still  
fairly limited by the monetary situation as opposed to those with the  
really strong corporate backing.  This past summer Phantom was really cool  
and made dinner for us one night.  But one thing set me off a little was  
when I asked if they had some utensils so I could eat, mine were buried in  
the bottom of the bus somewhere.  One of their volunteers said, "Oh sure  
honey, WE have Companies".  In my corps you were supposed to bring  
utensils, I guess this lady noticed and thought she'd get in a joke.  I  
didn't think it was very funny.  Ever since then the money thing has  
always bothered me a little.  By the way, Phantom's food truck puts out  
excellent chow and thanks to any one out there in the Regiment for hosting  
us, that was a very classy gesture.
	So please write back.  SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ON WHAT A CORPS  
SPENDS?.  And if so, on what: props, gimmicks, flags, instructors?  OR, do  
you think limiting some corps would hurt the activity or individual groups  
chances of competing(if competition is their goal)?  Would it take away  
from the pageantry and splendor.  Keep in mind you don't need big flags  
for your guard to place well(ie. Cadets '90 and '91).
  
General Effect is a whole different matter though.

	Just thought I'd get a new discussion going.  Please don't flame  
hard on me.  I thought this might make for some interesting, good natured  
debate.
	Re: Johanna our "defender of music",  I wonder what her knowledge  
of drum corps really is.  I wonder what her knowledge of music is period!
A self-righteous, closed mind is scary.  Hey Babe, "you can rain, but  
we'll still be the parade!"  
	Re: John Madden I say yes, BUT only if they can get that Super  
Slo-Motion from ABC!, yea and the sky-cam and the Blimp too!

Bye 

NATE       Music Education
CBC '91    U. of Maryland
Contrabass 
abc's
From: dbell@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Bell)
Subject: Re: Question
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Reply-To: dbell@ics.uci.edu (David Bell)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:18:04 GMT

In article <l+tjcnm.raj@netcom.com> raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee) writes:
>In <1992Apr10.135454.4938@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr10.011956.21316@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins) writes:
>>>Now while Im not an avid watcher of DCI, I watch it whenever I can. Having
>>>marched in a rather large marching band the last four years i have this
>>>question (please don't flame me on this one)
>>>
>>>    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me
>>>
>>>          Just wondering
>>>Jeff Hawkins
>>>
>
When I was in marching band, we never used trombones (they all had to learn
baritone) because when you march at a 2 or 3 step interval, it's hard to do
an 'about face' in sixth position.  Sure you can do the 'duck and turn', but
to some people, that is just a big General Effect turnoff.  Just my $0.02.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: wradeker@isis.cs.du.edu (Walter Radeker)
Subject: Re: A proposal (Re: flame)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:21:13 GMT

In article <52494@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.
OM (Richard Lapham) writes:
>: Jim Clausing	jac@cis.ohio-state.edu Writes:
>:    Sure they are.  What was the last high-school with a 2 million doll
r/year
>:    budget (despite much of the actual work being volunteer)?  Stuff De
eted
>
>Having been on the board of directors of a top 12 Corps, I beg to differ
with 
>the quote of 2 million dollars a year.  The Star of Indiana has the most
bucks
>to spend and their huge buget is only 1 million a year.  Most top 12 Cor
s are
>working with a $300,000 to 600,000 dollar per year budget.  Most corps d
 not
>have any corporate sponsors and raise all their funds with fund raisers 
nd
>small donations, souvie sales, and performance fee's (usally less than w
I would also say that when I was in high school, our band parents
raised $150k per year, NOT including what the students raised for
tripsm, etc.  While this is not as much as drumcorps, it certainly
was a lot for a highschool band that didn't go on a 3 month tour.

just my $.02

Scott
>gas costs to get to each show). 
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: composers intentions
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:16:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxeline.1992Apr15.131611.29529
Distribution: na
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

In article <1992Apr14.222805.74877@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>I think it's rather academic whether we PRE-SUPPOSE that classical composers
>would not want their music "blasphemed" by drum corps.  I can give a list
>of non-classical composers who have publicly proclaimed to be honored and
>thrilled to hear a drumcorps play their music:
>
>                       Rob McConnell
>                       Stan Kenton
>                       Maynard Ferguson
>                       Chuck Mangione
>                       Chick Corea
>
>Now, we can't ask Berlioz or Bernstein or Mussorgsky or Tchaikovsky,
>unfortunately, because they are dead.  And, to the best of my knowledge,
>they haven't appointed anyone to speak for them.
>
>What the writer was ACTUALLY saying, obviously, was not the the composer
>would not want this, but that SHE does not want it.  Now that's a different
>thing altogether.
>                                Scott

>>>Actually, before Bernstein passed away, he did recognize Garfield (sorry,
I'm not used to calling them the Cadets) for playing his music. I also heard 
that he actually went and saw them play hi music!

Kelleigh
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:44:54 GMT

nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:

>I was a little disapointed to see only one site west of the rockies
>(to be announced) late in the schedule.  In recent years there have
>been at least four corps from the west ( SCV, BD, Freelancers and
>VK ) in the top 12.  Not to mention the Mandarin from Sacramento
>that won the A60 class (I think) at least two years.  Even the
>Santa Clara Vanguard Cadets made DCI membership last year in their
>first attempt at it.

>At the risk of sounding like sour grapes, all we get to see are
>the early shows which don't compare to finals.  And yet we have
>consistantly had several of the best Corps.  I guess that we
>should be thankful that our Corps are good enough to make the
>final tv show.

>Neil

Yeah, why not have it in Pasadena?  Or is that because Pasadena doesn't
want it/doesn't want it as badly as other cities?

-- 
mokie@cco.caltech.edu        |  "Let not your heart be troubled,
        or                   |    believe in God, believe also in Me."
michaelb@iago.caltech.edu    |       John 14:1 (NASVB)

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: altered CDs
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:37:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University

> Do you still have the issue? Does anyone? It was a couple of years back.

sorry I dont

>Speaking of non-sequitors, your message implies that the 1987 Troopers are on
>CD. DCI did not start cutting CDs until 1988, and only the Top 12 were done
>that year. Unless the Troopers secretly cut their own CDs, I'm assuming you're
>talking about DCI's Album/Cassette recordings in 1987.

Yes, I meant the records.
And also, I too think that Phantom 91 is not their finals performance.

But I'm glad for these substitutions.

Oh, BD 89 is definitely quarter finals.  I have the video of semis and
it is definitely a different performance.  Plus, they placed highest at
quarter finals, so I think that's the performance they wanted to remember.

Scott
From: grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: In the spirit which the composer intended it to be performed
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:00:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: runt.1992Apr15.110050.1
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Apr14.150632.9055@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Omar A. Zaidi) writes:
> I'm posting this for a friend. Don't send flames to me because I will simply
> ignore them. Flame to the group.
> 
> I dont believe   any classical music at all deserves to be performed in
> this way. It is not how the composer meant it to be. When a composer
> writes music for orchestra, he wants it performed by an orchestra, and
> only an orchestra. I dont believe  performance of this kind is justified.
> If I were a composer and that were my piece being performed in that
> manner (drumcorps setting) I would   get my 357 to the director's
> head immediately. I would be and am livid and enraged at the thought
> of a  gorgeous  piece of orchestral music being destroyed in this
> manner. Please do all composers justice and dont  bestow this kind of
> crime to their intentions. The music that is *written* (NOT arranged!)
> for this setting is perfectly ok., and it is ok if it is arranged by
> the composer, hence having his approval. Otherwise, performance in
> any other context than the original score is blasphemous. 


BLASPHEMOUS .... oh please!!! get a life!

	Obviously you haven't thought about what it means to be a musician.
For example,  during the late-baroque and pre-classical eras, not only did major
composers like Handel and Bach rework previous ideas of others and thier own
for other mediums... they did it regularly!  Why dont you go and read about
Pergolesi instead of making ignorant narrow-minded comments!

	How can you honestly think that say, Bernstien (even though he wasnt a
"classical era" composer he truely is among the "greats" at his livelyhood)
would be offended by the Cadets 1990 championship performance?   

 	corps like the Phantom Regiment and the Cavaliers of recent years have 
made it an AGENDA to promote obscure (in the public eye) works that other wise
may not be appreciated in the original form.  


	Why am i even defending this..?

	Johanna if you dont like it ... dont go to a DCI show!

ptSLOAN
"sir dolittle the KNYGHTE"

grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
Carolina Crown drum and bugle corps
> do us musicians that courtesy. Thank you.
> 
> Johanna
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Omar A. Zaidi)
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Reply-To: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:24:30 GMT

In article <70026@ut-emx.uucp>, pball@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pablo Cantu) writes:
>
>Does anyone remember which DCI band played and won the CHAMPIONSHIP with Malaguena, I think it was in 1988, but I am not sure.  I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out here.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>pablo

The Madison Scouts played it and did a wonderful job with it. The ending took
my breah away. I still think SCV's Phantom Show should have won


The Texas Sax Player

Omar Zaidi

zaidioa@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu