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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever/PENS #2
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:44:24 GMT

<RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   As far as Mario - best ever goes...I think so or at least definitely the
> best to come along since Gordie...This point is undebateable!!!!!

Gordie?!?  

Howe may have been a good player over an extended period of time but for
most of his career he was not even considered the best in the league, 
being overshadowed by the likes Richard and then later, Bobby Hull.

If we are talking about the best players (and not just forwards) there
are clearly two who stand above the rest.  Orr and Gretzky.  Each of them
revolutionized the game.  Gordie Howe was just a dirty player who hung
in for a long long time.

rm
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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Mais Oui Manon!
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:36:58 GMT


> p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND) writes:

> ...and who the heck is Mike Greenlay?

He was a backup-backup goalie for the Oilers for a few years. Didn't play
very much though. I seem to recall that he was born in a very unusual place.
I know it was the last place you'd expect to find a hockey player anyway (maybe
somewhere in South America?)

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Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 18:18:56 EDT
From: T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,
Subject:    Buffalo Sabre Schedule needed

 Hi! Could someone either post or e-mail me a copy of the Buffalo Sabres
 schedule? Thanks!
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN announcers
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:28:17 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
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jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>
>Hey Mom-- what's wrong with JD?  I like to see him doing the
>MSG broadcasts, but then again he works well with Sam Rosen.
>
>As for Thorne, GREAT!  He is one of the most exciting hockey
>announcers, since he nearly achieves orgasm every time a great
>play occurs.

One problem that I see here is that you're matching up two
"characters" (Thorne, Davidson) after divorcing them from their
straight-men (MacNab, Rosen).

Emerick-Clement are pretty well-balanced and are still my Stateside
favourites.

Now, I'm wondering what will happen to the Rangers and Devils TV
crews ... I can't see Mr. Carol Alt (darn, what's his name???) as
a colour person, and who will they get to babysit Peter MacNab?
Also, will those guys (Thorne, Davidson) be able to go back if 
SCA submarines the ESPN deal on Friday???

gld
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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:11:15 GMT
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Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <2AA78558.2204@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.122302.27548@cs.rochester.edu> hoebel@cs.rochester.edu
>>Not Igor, Ivan and Mario. Visit Alabama or Texas and tell me if hockey'
[deleted stuff]
>There is no interest in hockey in the South?  Where do you think that
>St. Louis is Lou? :-)
>
Hmmm...got me there...Middle America...just north of Family Values Tx.
St. Louis is much more a midwestern city.
[serious mode on]
y remarks are not about the "pockets" of fan interest.
I think Seattle and maybe even Winston-Salem or some such place can support
a minor team. I'm also referring to the "Old South" when I say that NHL
hockey will not make it there. 
[back to your regularly scheduled baffonishness]
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From: callum-rob@CS.YALE.EDU (Rob Callum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:29:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep6.162943.12022
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158

In article <farenebt.715792185@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>How many players have won the Hart Trophy
>and are NOT in the Hall of Fame? (of those who are eligible for the Hall)
>
>[you don't have to name them]

	There are three. The first winner in 1924, Frank Nighbor, who played
for Ottawa. Then, 1942, Tom Anderson playing for the N.Y. Americans, and 
finally Al Rollins in 1954, playing for Chicago.

Rob Callum	|		callum@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: chrisq@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Quaranta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: B's fans
Date: 16 Sep 1992 01:40:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Keywords: B's fans, hibernation


 	I'm just glad the rest of you B's fans have come out of hibernation
watching that other team on Yawkey Way and are back supporting the boys in
black & gold.  And hey, who's passing out that beer....

-chrisq
 


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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever/PENS #2
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:46:06 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <keftuma00YV7Q4ue18@andrew.cmu.edu> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Stan Fischler is undoubtedly correct [...]

I hope you're willing to say this later when Stan dumps his regular
load of BS throughout the season. I was hoping that with Ziggy gone,
Stan's stranglehold on the position of "NHL expert" would finally be
broken. I guess people are always willing to listen to him say what
they want to hear.

George
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From: haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught)
Subject: Re: LINDROS
Originator: haught@r2d2.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:56:28 GMT

In article <92253.110629TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Bobenrieth) writes:
>I agree with that. The Patrick is a MEAN division. Wait til he matches up
>with the Caps and the Rangers. Maybe our old buddy Adam Graves can whack away
>at him now. Maybe Ulfie can smash Lindros' face into the plexiglass and we can
>all watch the little punk slide down and collapse on the ice. And Lindros' fans
>can flame me all they want but probably won't either because there are no real
>fans of Lindros or they realize that he needs a reality check.(pun intended)

Oh boy do we have a disgruntled Rangers fan here. We know what Lindros did
to Ulfie before so I think he has enough sense to keep away from Lindros,
or at least think twice. Lindros did piss alot of people off but he did
exactly what he was gonna do. I think we will find out in just a few 
short weeks how good he is or is not, then we will have fact instead of
speculation on what he can or can't do. 

All the discussion that went on a few weeks ago about how nobody wishes that
another player get's hurt , but now everyone is hoping that Lindros get's
his brains knocked out or his face smashed in. C'mon people give it a break.
Just because your team does'nt have him you gonna wish that on him. Let 
Lindros do that talking ...........

Seeeeee Ya and I sure would'nt wanna be yaa.....

Darrell
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Pro Sports Again Shows Death Wish
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:57:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.215422.8051@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>	I'm willing to believe that King knows a little more about the
>>European players that you or I - or likely any coach in the NHL. Calgary
>>does not often pay out that kind of money, so King must have been convinced
>>that he was making a good deal. A player is worth what someone will pay.
>>
>>	So why did the Jets HAVE to  sign Selanne? Why didn't they sign him 
>>before? If he's not worth it, don't pay it.
>>

A first round draft choice, said to be the next Jari Kurri, and just let
him go?  No way...Teemu has been hyped here for too long to just let him
go like that.


>
>Selanne obviously is a smart cookie...not quite Lindros...but wiser
>in the ways of the world than a lot of naive Canadian and Russian
>hockey players.
>
>Selanne was a free agent without compensation...the Jets only had the
>right to match...but Calgary, being nasty, put a huge signing bonus
>up front, which meant the Jets couldn't escape paying the signing
>bonus even if they matched and then traded Selanne...and it looks
>as if it had the secondary effect of pissing Zhamnov off. 
>
>The Flames saw a chance to create cause trouble for the Jets...
>draining their bank account of a million bucks, and creating 
>dissension among the ranks.
>
>Olzcyk and Essensa no doubt noted that the Jets found the million
>bucks to pay Selanne's signing bonus.

I don't see it this way, Gerald.  Selanne was talking to the Jets about a
contract before the strike, and obviously before the new CBA came into
effect.  Under the old rules, he was 'ours', no other team could touch
him as long as we made a contract offer to him, as I understand it.  Then
all of a sudden, wham!, here's this 'defected' player status.  Selanne
and his agent, obviously have taken advantage of this situation, but I
don't see it being 'wise in the ways of the world'.

I also look at the huge signing bonus that Calgary offered Teemu as a double
edged sword.  Sure it causes problems for the Jets.  But let's not forget that
the Flames players have also noticed that their team was willing to throw some
big numbers at an unproven rookie.  How many Flames are entering the option
year of their contracts?  

Zhamnov probably doesn't even know the whole situation.  Here's a guy that
has switched agents about as often as we change socks.  His previous contract
was agreed to before the new CBA came into effect, so it basically is the
same contract as Selanne, with the exception of the inflated signing bonus.


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Ulanov up to Davydov, over to Zhamnov, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
From: desroche@ssvax.gte.com (Dave Desrochers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN announcers
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:54:49 GMT
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: Well, I said it last year and got blasted, but I'll say it again. Mike Emrick
: is the best play by play man in the business (not restricted to hockey).

Without *blasting* you, my $.02 says that Emrick doesn't even come close
to Gene Hart.  The combination of Gene's smooth play by play along with 
at least a million anecdotes make him my favorite announcer.

Dav
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From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:36:39 GMT

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:

>That is missing the point, I maintain. I do believe that the sticks will
>be more controlled but one of the big protections of helmets has nothing
>to do with the players involved. It has to do with the speed at which hockey
>is played. You've got some guys skating superfast and when they fall,
>if they hit their head into the boards...ouch (and worse). What about
>a guy who dives to try and block a 90 mile an hour slap shot without
>a helmet? You figure it out. It's not just the fighting and sticks that
>can cause head injuries.
	Believe me, when a player is moving head first into the boards at 
50km/h, it doesn't really matter too much if he's wearing a helmet or not
because he's probably going to break his neck anyway.  Also, most shot
blockers know what they're doing (they don't throw their heads into the
puck - unless it's the playoffs:)  But you're right, though, these injuries
do happen.



>>> 4.  Will the Rangers ever win another Stanley Cup?  (rhetorical-answer is no)

>Sure, as soon as George Bush's ACTIONS start promoting his family values
>talk.
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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Eddie JOhnson-bulit Pens
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:25:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <QecuxIW00WBMQ4Mega@andrew.cmu.edu> gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes:
>
>Eddie Johnson will make a great coach for the Pens.
>If anyone doubts Eddie JOhnson, consider:
>
>1. He Built the Pens.
>      He dratfted Lemieux (despite some unbelievable offers at the time)
>                  Recchi, Zalapski
>                  Cullen, Paek (an underrated defensemen)
>      He traded for Kevin Stevens by giving up Anders Hakerson
>      He traded for Tom Barasso by giving up SImpson and Shannon

Incorrect.  The Pens gave up Bodger for Barrasso.  And it was Tony Esposito,
not E.J. who did it.

>      He traded for Paul Coffey by giving up virtually nothing

The Pens gave up Simpson, Joseph and someone else for Coffey.


Dean

BRING BOB BERRY BACK!

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:29:17 EDT
From: <JER108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: lindros linemates
Distribution: rec


In article <1992Sep15.4238.23579@dosgate>, "stlawrence production"
<stlawrence.production@canrem.com> says:
>
>Probible Linemates For Eric Lindros
>
>        Brind'Mour      Lindros         Recchi

Doubtful. The Dineen/Brind'/Pederson line was very effective last year. I
would think that the coaches would want to leave something like that intact
to help lend some stability to the team. Recchi is pretty much a lock as a
linemate, though. I think Lomakin would be the most likely choice as the
other wing, unless Eklund looks like he'll return to old form.
Just my less-than-well-informed opinion.
                                             John E. Runski
                                             <jer108@psuvm>
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From: drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake)
Subject: Re: Really fat goalie?
Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:12:16 GMT

In article <18oe41INNki6@agate.berkeley.edu> tcronin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tom Cronin) writes:
>	     Has any team ever used a really fat goalie to totally
>      eclipse the goal?  (For example, a sumo wrestler lying on his
>      side in front of the goal)
No matter how fat a goaltender is, there would always be some hole and a
fat goaltender just wouldn't be able to move fast enough. That's 24 square
feet to fill.

I remember seeing Billy Smith get his shirt pulled off in a fight, though,
and he was pretty fat... ;-)

Not a pretty picture, either.

Frank
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From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: CAPS NEWS
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:56:37 GMT


Rod Langway says he'd like to play for the Caps two more seasons.  His 
current *playing* deal with the team expires at the end of this season.  He 
is signed to take a management role with the team after his playing days are 
done.  Langway says he hopes to know what next season holds for him and 
whether the Caps want him in an on-ice capacity by February or March of 93.

******************

David Poile is happy that some players are beginning to question why the 
team has so many NHL-experienced forwards heading into training camp.  He 
suggests that there will be a surplus of talent and feels this will create 
more competition.  He hints that a trade is a possibility and says that the 
uncertainty among the forwads will prove to be a plus.  Unfortunately, it 
seems most of the players questioning the surplus of forwards were 
*defenseman*.

*******************

The long-rumored Kevin Hatcher deal is still just that.  Terry Murray 
insists that Hatcher is not available.

*******************

Rookies and the like report to Piney Orchard tomorrow.  Veterans report on 
Friday.  The first Caps practice is scheduled for this Sunday.

*******************

The Caps are several hundred season tickets sales behind last years sales.  
Poile says that Sepetember is a busy month and says he hopes the team will 
catch up.

*******************

Bob Carpenter will wear Mike Gartner's old #11.

*******************

Still no word on how the Caps will handle the stitching of the names on the 
back of Kelly Miller's and Kevin Miller's jersey. Will it be "K" Miller for 
each, "Kev" and "Kel," their whole first and last names, just the last 
name, or just the first name?  

Who needs Lindros, Lemieux, or Ciccarelli to get excited about the upcoming 
season when you have the sweater-stitching drama to follow?  

As Dave might say, pick up the phone NOW...September is a busy month!!

******************
Warren
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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.213842.5934@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <3SEP199211415616@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG) writes:
>>>Last year I had great viewing options.
>>>SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
>>>get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and their
>>>wonderful anchor at his wonderful set. A choice of over 10 games a week
>>>and almost every night! wife? child? thesis? my job....? huh? what?
>>SCA games, but since I'm a hockey fan, the Caps and some extra games 
>>from SCA just don't cut it.  Ten games a week, huh?  Think you could 
>>find me a job up there?
>>
>
>Don't fall for it. Ten games a week is misleading. Ask Lou how many games
>he saw last year that weren't involving the Islanders/Rangers/Devils.
>
>If you are a Caps fan, like I am, living in New York is not much better,
>because you are forced fed with teams you hate, namely the Isles/Rangers/
>Devils. Why do you give a shit when the Islanders play the Jets? or
>the Devils play the Whalers? If you are not a fan of the teams involved,
>and the teams are not particularly competitive, will you still stick
>to the TV for 3 hours nite in nite out?
>
>The truth is, SCA's US national contract has been going nowhere. A fan
>living in the NY area will see ~200 Islanders/Rangers/Devils no matter what
>because of the local TV contracts. But now, anybody who is sick with
>the three local teams gets a relief. At least I have a chance to see
>Lindros vs Lemieux or Lindros vs Gretzky on ESPN. 
> 

OK, you got me now....I saw plenty of those teams. Lots of Pens Flyers and
Caps as it was also. Chicago and St. Louis on occasion. Lots of
Western Canada games and the Leafs of course on HNIC. If I still get my
SC coverage AND a good "game of the week" ( NYR, LA are sure to be regulars)
then its OK...plus the stickboys get their 80 million and the boon of
added Jersey sales....etc
What I will stick to is that there are regions that just don't follow hockey.

Basketball is hot in Charlotte...'cause its always been a hot bed for hoops.
The ACC is the premier league in college hoops. The SEC is also no sick
cousin in that regard. You ( they?) can play hoops year round in the
old south but were is the ice. What with Freon being banned nation wide,
Ice and airconditioning...here that gary.....will be more expensive
and less efficient.

later pals,
->

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From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: TRADE RUMOR
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 11:42:38 GMT


IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM) writes:

>Watch out, if Montreal gets Macinnis they could be a contendor again...

I'd say they desperately need a dominating, 35-minute-a-game
defenceman.  They haven't been the same since Chelios was traded.
McInnis would do nicely.  They could also use the physical presence of
Stern, with the departures of Corson and McPhee.

I can't see the Flames falling for this one, though.

-- 
Murray
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