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From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: Diet Coke and Weight Loss (was Re: hypoglycemia)
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.181000.6488@leland.Stanford.EDU> djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly) writes:

[...]

>Does diet coke actually help in weight loss?  Besides the uncertainties
>in the safety of consuming large amounts of Nutrisweet, I recall hearing of
>studies in which "diet" sweeteners stimulated a hunger response after which
>the individual ended up consuming more calories than if he had consumed
>a sugar-sweetened drink in the first place. 

   In the September 1992 issue of THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION
   LETTER, there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners.  What
   follows is an excerpt which deals specifically with this question.

   [Reproduced without permission]

	   "The controversy [over aspartame] began six years ago in England,
	where a group of researchers found that aspartame, marketed under
	the tradename Nutrasweet, appears to stimulate appetite and,
	presumably, the eating of more calories in the long run than if
	a person simply consumed sugar.  When researchers asked a group
	of 95 people to drink plain water, aspartame-sweetened water, and
	sugared water, they said that overall they felt hungriest after
	drinking the artificially sweetened beverage.
	   The study received widespread media attention and stirred a
	good deal of concern among the artificial-sweetener-using public.
	However, its results were questionable at best, since the researchers
	did not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did
	actually translate into an increase in eating.  The two do not
	necessarily go hand in hand.
	   In the years that followed, more than a dozen studies examining
	the effect of aspartame on appetite -- and eating -- were conducted.
	And after reviewing every one of them, the director of the
	Laboratory of the Study of Human Ingestive Behavior at Johns Hopkins
	University, Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., concluded that consuming aspartame-
	sweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in
	the amount of food eaten afterward."


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: wheeler@super.org (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian diets and cancer [was vegetarianism & nutrition]
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:22:06 GMT


VITAMIN B12: FACTS FOR VEGETARIANS

* Vegetarians and B12
     Vegetarian foods are easily the most healthful. Vegetarians live longer,
have less heart disease, less cancer, less risk of stroke, and less of other
serious illnesses compared to meat-eaters. Vegetarian meals provide adequate
levels of all nutrients--with the possible exception of vitamin B12. B12 is
critical in the formation of red blood cells and the function of the nervous
system. B12 deficiency is rare. The body has several years' worth stored at
any given time. 

* Traditional Sources of B12
     B12 is not made by animals or plants; it is made solely by microorganisms,
such as bacteria and algae. Some of the B12-developing organisms may remain
on vegetables consumed by people, producing a small amount of the vitamin.
Traditional Asian miso and tempeh, made from soybeans, also contain enormous
amounts of B12 because of the microorganisms used during manufacture. But
improved hygiene and modern processing methods have all but eliminated these
traditional sources of B12 from the industrialized nations' diet. Meat-
eaters' source of B12 is bacteria living in the digestive tracts of the
animals they eat. The vitamin works its way into the animals' muscles,
organs, and milk.

* Getting the Vitamin
     For those who abstain from eating animal products, special care in getting
enough B12 is recommended. Fortunately, this is very easy. B12 is in all
common multivitamin tablets, and many foods are enriched with B12. These
include many breakfast cereals, fortified nutritional yeast, and fortified
soy milk. Some supplements, such as spirulina, are purported to contain B12,
but actually contain none at all. On vitamins or food labels, look for B12
by its chemical name: cyanocobalamin. The Recommended Daily Allowance is two
micrograms per day, but experts believe only one microgram per day is
sufficient.1 There is no known risk in consuming too much B12, but high doses
are not necessary or recommended.
     By far, the most common cause of B12 problems is not the lack of the
vitamin in the diet, but a problem in absorbing it, caused by a lack of a
chemical in the body called the intrinsic factor. Doctors can easily test
whether a person has a normal ability to absorb B12. For those who do not,
no amount of the vitamin in foods will help, and periodic injections of B12
are necessary.

Reference:
1. Herbert V. Vitamin B12: plant sources, requirements and assay. Am J Clin
Nutr 1988;48:852-58.

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
P.O. Box 6322
Washington, DC 20015
(202) 686-2210
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jensen@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael jensen)
Subject: Vegetarianism & mental health
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:02:48 GMT

Some time ago, a friend of mine was having sleep disturbances. She was
essentially vegan, a self-described "unstable" personality, who was 
having both night- and daymares. I asked about her eating habits, 
having been raised by a psychologist with a keen interest in brain 
chemistry, amino acids, and psychological effects such as bipolar 
disorders. 

I suggested that she eat turkey, and the like, to boost her 
l-tryptophan intake (intimately entwined with seratonin production, an
essential ingredient to sound sleep and dreams); she didn't, but got 
some l-tryptophan supplements which were at the time readily 
available. She slept better and better, and the day- and nightmares 
disappeared. Her husband, the doctor, didn't like it much, but was 
glad she was doing better. A year ater, after stopping, the symptoms 
recurred, but she had been convinced that the l-tryptophan wasn't 
really necessary.

My query has to do with the above story--while I recognize that an 
attentive vegan can get most amino acids through diet, and that the 
BODY needs may be satisfied, does anyone know of studies addressing 
the BRAIN's needs regarding amino acids; have mood disturbances and 
similar effects been noticed in some vegan circles? This may also be 
cline- or heritage-dependent; some individuals have higher protein 
requirements than others, it seems. Scandinavians tend to metabolize 
proteins less efficiently, I'm told, which might mean that said aminos
are also pulled out of food less efficiently.

What's the scoop? Is this left-field material, or has this been 
investigated?

Michael Jensen
jensen@unlinfo.unl.edu
standard disclaimers in effect 

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: side effects of niacin
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.145301.16259@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>I was told that using Niacin would reduce my cholesterol level.  

Who told you this?  Your doctor, I hope.  It is not a good idea to
self-treat yourself with any drug, including niacin, for a condition
like elevated cholesterol.  What works best for someone depends a lot
on their genes, their lipid profile, and their diet.  Niacin is not
working as a vitamin here--it's acting as a potentially toxic drug.

>Whenever I use it, however, I break out in an incredible rash
>and feel flushed.  These sensations only last about an hour. 

Yup.  It's caused by local prostaglandin release.

>My question is this:  will these side-effects diminish with
>regular use?

Yes, they should.  The flush should stop appearing after a while.
You could try taking an aspirin 30 min to and hour beforehand,
if you can tolerate aspirin.

>I am using 500 mg tablets and have been told to use these twice a day.

Again, I'd do that only if this was prescribed by your doctor.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:342 rec.food.veg:8821
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,rec.food.veg
Subject: food combining
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:18:53 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

glw@ioit.uswc.uswest.com (Glenn Williams) wrote:
> Food combining isn't new. In Diet for a Small planet, it's covered in
> detail. That book pre-dates Fit for Life by almost ten years.

As Steve has pointed out, the Fit for Life stuff comes from an entirely
different source and doesn't have the scientific basis that Lappe's work
does.  More specifically, it sounds like the Hay System, invented in
England before WW2 and described in more recent books by Doris Grant.
This system is *complete lunacy* as a theory (one of its tenets is that
your stomach is sometimes alkaline) but as a body of empirical practice
it does seem to help a minority of people, though more as a short-term
therapy than as a lifetime commitment, and the people here who prescribe
it tend to use it as a secondary option when nothing better looks promising.
It might be worth somebody's while investigating why it sometimes works, but
"putrefaction" is not going to be a useful line of investigation.

(No, it doesn't involve eating hay - that was the name of its developer).

Concerns about "internal putrefaction" as a health risk go back to 19th
century neo-occultism; they have more to do with the reception of Indian
yogic ideas in a culture permeated by disease paranoia than with any sort
of scientific biology.

-- 
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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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From: young@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: VEGETARIAN DIET
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Sep15.005637.13100@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

[...]

>"Beano", an enzyme from the bacterium Aspergillus flavus, can be added
>to yur first spoonful of beans if you're still sensitive to this.

	Oops!  Sorry, Steve, but on MY bottle of "Beano" it says it comes
	from Aspergillus niger, not A. flavus.  I believe that A. flavus
	is the source of aflatoxin.

	Note: the "Beano" people warn that those who are sensitive to 
		penicillin should use caution with "Beano" as well.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,rec.food.veg
From: black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236))
Subject: Re: VEGETARIAN DIET
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:10:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003639.10465@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.225727.28588@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>
>[...]
>
>>This may be a stupid question (and/or an FAQ), but is there anything
>>wrong with simply taking a multi-vitamin each morning?  The multi-vitamins
>>I take have all this stuff in 'em.  Won't that solve the lack of calcium
>>*and* B12 problem?
>
>	B12, yes, but multivitamins generally do not contain more than a
>	tiny fraction of the calcium required; it's basically a volume
>	problem: any multivitamin which contained 100% of the RDA for
>	calcium would be rather large.  ...

Just to translate this into some numbers: a ONE-A-DAY maximum formula
multivitamin/multimineral supplement pill, with roughly a cylindrical
shape 3/4 inch long and 5/16 inch thick, contains 130 mg of calcium
(about 13% of RDA). 

---
Robert Black 
black@serum.kodak.com - The ONLY email address that MIGHT work.  
These views are not necessarily the views of my employers.
From: dprice@convex.com (David Price)
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:13:02 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside) writes:

>	I have several (Jane Brody's as well).  One that I found interesting
>was "How To Be Your Own Nutitionist".  It was written by an MD but I forget
>his name.  If anyone is interested, I'll check at home and post.  Also if
>anyone is familiar with this book, I'd be interested to hear any comments.

My mom lent me "How to be Your Own Nutritionist".  I think it is
written by Stuart Berger MD, the same guy who wrote the "Immune Power
Diet".  At first he goes over all the weaknesses in the RDA and all the
dietary myths.  I was encouraged by the beginning of the book, but
when he got to the part where you plan your diet, he seemed to be
emphasizing lots of vitamin pills.  He implied that the vitamins in
food were not sufficient enough and needed to be supplemented.  Even
his pill recommendations were weak in some places.  For various
lifestyles he would say you would need to take an extra vitamin "X"
pill without specifying the dosage size of that pill.  The only place
where he really layed out a diet plan was a special diet for detecting
food allergies.  I was disappointed since I wasn't really satisfied
with taking a lot of pills.

So, today I picked up "The Good Food Book", based on the
recommendations of this newsgroup.  Just flipping through the book, it
looks much more like what I really wanted in a nutrition book.  It
covers how to plan meals, how to shop for food, and how to cook it.
It doesn't look like Jane Brody advocates taking lots of pills.

--
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 Convex Computer Corp.		|   Nebula.  We've made this trip dozens
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)
Subject: Re: Red wine allergy
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:16:30 GMT

In <1992Sep7.095905.1364@lut.ac.uk> C.A.Blunsdon@lut.ac.uk writes:

>Anyone know what might be the basis of an allergy to red wine,
>and what other 'foods' might be implicated? Thanks in advance.

apart from preservatives there are also histamines and alkaloids which can
cause problems. Most (but not all) red wines give me an asthma attack
within 30-40 minutes (one glass only). It varies in severity from mild to
very severe. I find that smelling the wine is often indicative of its
asthma potency for me. Stromg bodied ones being the most likely to give
serious problems.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Is Vitamin C TOXIC ???
Keywords: Is Vitamin C TOXIC ???
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:01:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep15.160119.16139
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep15.141734.21202@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>>Inasmuchas "natural C" is "pure ascorbic acid", there ain't much difference
>>between the two.
> 
>There's a difference.

Right.  When you define "natural C" as "vitamin C with bioflavonoids,
`enzymes',andothermysteriousstuff".  Or maybe you meant "Natural C(tm)".	

>>>>	3) Vitamin C, an anti-Oxidant also has a mild anti-histaminic affect,
>>>>	   which is why patients who take it during a "flu/cold" attack
>>>>	   feel better.Is that right ?
>>>True.
>>Nope.
>It has a mild anti-histaminic effect.

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) has no effect on histamine receptors.
Any beneficial effect it has during a cold or flu can be attributed
to a placebo effect.

>Who recommended 2800 mg. for every person; I said "no one knows."  But maybe
>you know, so why not tell us how much we need.  We're all waiting.

There is no evidence that people need or can use much more than 250-500mg
a day, and even that is on the high side.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: murphyc@ava.bcc.orst.edu (Chris Murphy)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: "Natural" C vs. Ascorbic Acid
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:23:17 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU

In article <1992Sep14.194343.10043@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>Also, what's the difference between the ascorbic acid in your "natural C"
>and that in ascorbic acid?

In a lecture here at Oregon State University, Linus Pauling's alma mater,
Dr. Pauling stated there is no difference between so called "natural" vitamin
C and generic ascorbic acid.  Ascorbic acid is a relatively simple substance 
to manufacture, according to Pauling, and even the cheap, generic brands are 
quite pure.  Dr. Pauling claimed to buy his Vitamin C in bulk from the
cheapest source possible, and he stated there is nothing in the "natural" 
versions which make them more easily assimilated.  

Chris Murphy  murphyc@ava.bcc.orst.edu

P.S.  The machine from which I post this reply is named "ava" in honor of 
      Linus Pauling's wife, who inspired Pauling to pursue his work toward 
      nuclear disarmament.
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: high-protein diet for anemia?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:10:34 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jojo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joanne Spetz) writes:

>In article <SDL.92Sep3124137@rigel.linus.mitre.org> sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk) writes:

>>Is a high-protein diet recommended for anemia?  For example, if
>>someone has iron-deficiency anemia (e.g. low hemoglobin count), do
>>they need to increase their intake of protein as well as iron?

>2.  Eat spinach, but I've been told that something in the spinach
>	reduces your body's absorption of iron

>3.  Don't overload on iron supplements (constipation), but do take
>	some multivitamin a day (with iron)

My husband just had a check up a few months ago and was told that he
was slightly anemic.  He eats red meat maybe once a month, and the
only green vegetable he eats is broccoli. 

He did two things to change his condition.  1) takes a multivitamin
with iron each day, and 2) eats some spinach every day, either in
a salad, on a sandwich instead of lettuce or cooked - even though
he really doesn't like it this way.

In two weeks, he went back for a follow-up and his iron was at an
acceptable level.  Could have just been the vitamin, but the doctor
said that dark green leafy veggies are the best way to go.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re:  Good basic book on nutrition
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:54:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep10.133418.23817@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <vdtnxl+.artemis@netcom.com> artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes:
>>One was her statement that all diets should contain at least one
>>tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat.  If one follows the guidelines of
>>eating a diet with equal amounts of mono, poly, and saturated fat,
>
>Are these HER guidelines?

Other than noting that the body needs no saturated fat, and that less
is better, she herself makes no explicit recommendation as to
proportion.  She does print a cute bar chart showing diet guidelines
with 10% calories from each of poly, mono and sat fat.  One topic I
hope she might cover in a future edition is the possible role/benefit
of monounsaturated oil (as opposed to poly).  She has nothing on it in
the current revision.  Even with a diet containing no saturated fat,
getting 1 tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat pushes most folks over 10%
calories from fat.  Later in the chapter she says you can go down to
as little as 10% of calories as fat with no risk to health.  Granted,
it's a minor point, but it is an inconsistency. 

>I really think you've taken her recommendations much too literally
>and extrapolated them well outside of what she's saying.  It's certainly
>not the case that everyone needs a tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat a day.

Hmmm.  Well, "Even strict low-fat diets should contain at least 1
tablespoon of such a polyunsaturated oil each day" is a pretty
explicit recommendation.  (page 56 in the updated edition).  My
statement was a paraphrase very close to her original statement, not an
extrapolation.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: nan@ertou.ucsc.edu (Nan Ellman)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Caprenin, an artificial fat
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:51:29
Organization: /u/nan/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ertou.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 14 Sep 92 21:49:44 GMT

In article <1931doINN22c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:

   In a previous article, nan@ertou.ucsc.edu (Nan Ellman) says:

   >
   >
   >I just got a "MILKY WAY II" bar which claims to have 25% fewer
   >calories due to the use of caprenin "a reduced calorie fat made from
   >natural sources." 
   >
   >I've never of caprenin before. The only fake fats I'm aware of are
   >olestra and simpless. Can anyone tell me anything about this? 

   If caprenin is a "reduced calorie fat" then strictly speaking, it is
   not a "fake fat" at all.  Perhaps the candy bar recipe simply requires
   fewer grams of caprenin than it would of other fats.  Or perhaps
   caprenin has slightly fewer calories per gram than other fats do.  I
   dunno.

The wrapper claimed that caprenin has only 5 calories/gram, instead of
the usual 9.

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