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From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:14:07 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

This is in reply to helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman), who wrote:
:>
:>Vernon Jordan (former civil rights leader) has Attorney General pretty much
:>locked up....
:
:Oh, would that be sweet revenge on the Reagan/Bush years! The only thing
:that would be sweeter would be (alright, I admit, an unlikely event)
:Anita Hill for the next Supreme Court seat.
:

What's sad is that Urban League has long been known as the most moderate
and accommodationist of the civil rights oriented groups.  As willing to
work with Republicans as with Democrats, UL has come under fire since the
sixties for failing to embrace the tactics of other groups.

Fat lot of good it did the organization during the Reagan/Bush years.
It is a sign of just how extreme and thoughtless the ideologues of
the GOP were that they managed to alienate every single civil rights
organization along the spectrum, and every leader from Jesse Jackson
to Vernon Jordan.  It serves them right if Jordan is put in charge of
reversing the damage.

In fact, irreparable damage may have been done to those in the GOP
who wish to right the wrongs.  With even the moderates in Clinton's
camp, there's nothing Kemp or Dole or anyone else can do except try
to win back the party's enemies with actions, not words.  Which,
come to think of it, doesn't sound like a bad penance at all.

Aaron

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: *every* one is a racist??! [was: Re:  Re: Interracial Dating]
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:11:37 GMT

mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>	
>	The sad thing that I am beginning to see in America is that the
>	white people I know are, on the whole, less racist than Blacks.
>
And how many blacks do you know that you would consider good friends?
Why is it incumbent on "Black America" to promote unity? Why isn't it
the responsibility of white america who created and perpetuated the
problem in the first place? Unless you are black I don't think you
have any idea how incredibly racist white america is.

Warren Watts


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: New Malcolm X biography
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:20:32 GMT


Bruce Perry's biography of Malcolm X has just been published in
a paperback edition (Station Hill Press, Inc. $14.95).

I think this is an excellent, though unusual, biography. Perry's
method appears to have been to interview anyone and everyone who
had any connection with Malcolm X. He then transcribed his notes
into a 300-page book, without omitting the smallest details. The
result is a mosaic-like portrait which, at least for me, is 
a good way of depicting such a controversial figure. Unfortunately,
Perry's writing style can best be characterized as "pedestrian".
Still, in preparing oneself for Spike Lee's extravaganza, one
could do much worse than "Malcolm, The Life of a Man Who
Changed Black America".


Stefan


Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11018 sci.skeptic:19484
From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:47:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu

In article <rKB=qf-@engin.umich.edu> dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
>I'd suggest viewing "The Strecker Memorandum" video. In this video
>a (white) doctor explains in scientific detail how the AIDS virus
>is genetically engineered (ie. man-made).

You could test Strecker's theory that HIV was formed by combining bovine
leukemia virus (BLV) and sheep visna virus (OLV) by comparing the genetic
sequences of these viruses.  I have actually done this myself.  There is
basically no similarity between the HIV sequence and the BLV and OLV
sequences; this pretty much disproves Strecker's theory.  There is, however,
a clear similarity between HIV and SIV, just as predicted by the mainstream
theory that HIV came from SIV.

Ken Shirriff				shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: African Fashion (Re: NBC Today Show).
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.023357.12622@cs.wm.edu> sunny@al.cs.wm.edu  
(John S. Egbo) writes:
} How African is this newsgroup?  Did I miss something?  I don't
} remember any discussions about the impact of a one week and 
} one day of Today Show focused on Africa and its peoples.

I wish I knew about it.  But even if I did, I wouldn't be able  
to see it ... I have Calculus at 9am every morning and it's  
kicking my ass ...

My question is:

What do you all think of the current fashion of noserings, kente  
cloths, and dreadlocks?  I'm writing an article on that topic.   
To me, it's truly disgusting to see all these brothers roam  
around campus with NO spirituality, but yet they're sporting  
DREADLOCKS ... seeing White people wearing Kente baseball caps!

What do you think?

Donald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc,triangle.politics
From: barber@jazz.concert.net (Scott Barber)
Subject: Re: Release from the Clinton Camp
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:16:05 GMT

In article <BwKsqK.AHr@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>                [...]
>|> > *    Work directly with hard-hit communities, supporting proven
>|> >      anti-crime measures such as community policing, drug education,
>|> >      and drug treatment by demand.
>|> 
>|> What does "work directly" and "supporting" mean? More federal funds?
>
>Moreover, what does "proven" mean?  And what are the criteria of proof?
>In the cases known to me, the critera of proof, the gathering and the
>analysis of the evidence are all handled by (surprise!) the agencies
>that will be funded.

Good questions, I'm curious myself.  However, I am aware of few
public agencies that have the resources to do research, quite the
contrary.  I would bet that most of the -level research on community
policing, drug education and drug treatment has been conducted by
academics and govt-funded agencies.  Whereas the academic research is
likely to be more basic and theory-driven, the govt research has
likely included examination of strategies to promote cost-effectiveness 
and cost savings (out of sheer survival neccesity).

This is conjecture, as I haven't done much reading in criminal justice 
or community education journals (academic or applied) in several years.

Scott

Scott Barber		  "I voted for the crazy, bozo, ozone men."
barber@jazz.concert.net		--- Tuesday, November Third  ---
MCNC, RTP, NC, BVD		--- Many Voted, Bush Retired ---
					(anagramatized!!)
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:41:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Nov12.154140.20353
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <FXm2TB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:

>	
>Fine, let's get down to issues.        

	Yes, let's.
>	
>
>	>I take issue with this bussiness of defining homosexuality 
>	
>You advocate gay rights legislation, but you take issue with defining the        
>act you want to legislate.  I'm lost.

	I think you either misunderstood my words, or only listened to
half of what I was saying. I meant that I refuse to be defined as a
merely sexual creature.


>Then leave sex out of any and all political discussion, and the issue        
>will never come up!

	So tell me, when I mention my boyfriend or parnter in
conversation, just as casually as a straight man might mention his
wife, am I talking about sex or am I talking about a relationship that
is important in my life? When straight people stop, I will stop.


>	>I will "keep it in the bedroom" when straight people decide to do 
>	>the same, and not one minute sooner. 
>	
>Guess I have a head start on you.  I already do.        

	Then I suggest you start encouraging you straight friends to
do the same. Until then ....

>	>I assume that I have the right to be as overt as the next person.
>
>
>But you'd be well-advised to turn straight, before it's too late.  Gay
>people tend to get AIDS.

	I believe this is the most ignorant of all your comments. Turn
it around a little. You could just as easily tell me I'd be
well-advised to turn white, because black people tend to be
discriminated against and get harrased and (in detroit) even killed by
police.
	


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:13:18 GMT

In article <BxEyvK.H9G@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman), who wrote:
>:>
>:>Vernon Jordan (former civil rights leader) has Attorney General pretty much
>:>locked up....
>:
>:Oh, would that be sweet revenge on the Reagan/Bush years! The only thing
>:that would be sweeter would be (alright, I admit, an unlikely event)
>:Anita Hill for the next Supreme Court seat.
>:

	Oooooh!  Hee-hee-hee! I wish to GOD I'd thought of THAT one
myself. That would be too beautiful for words!



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women
From: black@akebono.math.ncsu.edu (Kelly Black)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:19:57 GMT


I tried earlier to post my reply but I must have
screwed somehting up.  I will try again...


In article <1992Nov5.185255.26078@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
|> reprinted without permission from the Wall Street Journal 11/21/91
|> 
|> GUN CONTROL SPROUTS FROM RACIST SOIL
|> 
|> by Roy Innis
|> 
|> What irony.  Most black leaders (as distinct from rank-and-file blacks) are
|> supporters, at least in public, of the gun control - really, prohibition -
|> movement.  Do they realize that America's gun-control movement sprouted from
|> the soil of Roger B. Taney, the racist chief justice who wrote the infamous
|> DRED SCOTT decision of 1857?
|> 

The logic here seems to be "association implies causation."  Because
some of the people do bad things does not mean that everything they
do is bad.  For example,  when Susan B. Anthony worked for women's
suffrage one of her motivations was that the new black vote would
unbalance the white vote.  She reasoned that if women voted it would
partially offset the influence of the black vote.  (she figured that
black women would not vote in numbers higher than white women)  
Though her motivation was racist in nature I do not believe that
women's suffrage is itself racist.


|> 
|> And what of the origins of the National Rifle Association, which is wrongly
|> viewed as a racist organization by the black supporters of gun prohibition?
|> It was inspired and organized by Union Army officers after the Civil War.
|> 

This last statement implies that there were no Union officers who
were racist.  Two words: "buffalo soldier." There is also the
implicit assumption that Northerners are open minded and more 
worldly than Southerners who are just a bunch of back woods hicks 
sodomizing their farm animals.  (Lincoln did not announce that he
wanted to free the slaves until late in the war) Having lived in 
New England (Rhode Island to be exact) I know first hand that this 
is false.  There are just as many racial problems in the Northeast 
as there are here.  Personally I feel that the problems in New 
England are worse. At least many Southerners are willing to admit 
that there is a problem.  Moral -- New Englanders are a bunch of 
back water hicks sodomizing crustaceans? ;-)

Kel

PS sorry, a raw nerve was touched... :-o

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The secluded mermaids hate European goods, which have increased male 
power. The tabooed 'male' animal, the dog (used in the chase), is an 
added danger because it can see the spirit world. Dogs walk purpose-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: carol moseley braun on larry king tonight [11/10] on cnn
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:16:18 GMT


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From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:52:56 GMT

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>Thank you, Warren, for the warning.
>
>My last words to you, White man, are that we do not need you for  
>shit.  We simply do not need another White man who thinks he's  
>doing us a favor.  We need more of our people patting each other  
>on the back, because God knows that there's a  White man waiting  
>outside just waiting to put us down.  Just go away.

Well, I don't feel that I'm doing anyone a favor, I'm just trying to
do what is right. If you feel that my post was condescending or that I
put you down, I apologize. If you simply hate me for the color of my
skin I can't do anything about it.

>Damn, I feel sorry for your children ...

So do I if they have to grow up in a nation where black, white, native
american, and asian are seperate and racism is acceptable.

Peace,
	Warren Watts



From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:06:32 GMT
Subject: Re: cito gaston: first af-am manager to win world series?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

		In soc.culture.african.american, ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

> is it true that cito gaston is the first af-am manager to lead a world
> series champion in major league baseball.  i cant' think of anyone else
> who would fall under that category although frank robinson did manage a
> few contenders in san francisco and (i believe) baltimore.
> 
> the interesting thing about this is that i don't recall much being said
> about this during the world series.  in fact, there seemed (to me) to be
> little said about gaston at all.  
> 
	probably b/c it is a NON-issue... as it should be... the
	blue jays won. period. and cito gaston brought them there...
	it was a great series and a great job by all.
                                                 ^^^
>
> given the accolades heaped upon guys like tommy lasorda, whitey herzog,
> etc. even when they field losing teams it seems like gaston is not getting
> the credit that he is due.

	while its true the lasorda/herzog/etc. get heaps o' praise
	for accomplishments that are in the DISTANT past, i believe
	gaston has received appropriate credit (esp. in SI & the
	Sporting News)...  the conventional media seemed to get
	sidetracked on the *damn-these-games-run-late* syndrome
	almost immediately following the series.

peace to all.  
pjm.
From: Ralph Dumain <rdumain@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 06 Nov 92 20:07 PST
Subject: Re: BLACK ATHEISM
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471600050:cdp:1471600051:000:1996
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rdumain    Nov  6 20:07:00 1992


>What do you want to know?
 
It would be presumptious of me to tell you what you want to tell 
me, but here are some thoughts that have come up during discussion
of this topic with others.
 
(1) Do you keep your attitude toward religion strictly to yourself
and a few confidantes, or do you feel free to mention it openly?
(2) Have you experienced or do you fear ostracism because of your
non- or anti-religious orientation?
(3) Do your family members accept your attitude to religion, or 
are they hostile, especially female family members?
(4) Were you brought up with religion?  What made you reject it,
or did it just never stick?
(5) Do you feel that blacks are more die-hard religionists than 
other groups, or do you think the degree of religiosity is 
comparable to others in the same region of the country or with 
a similar educational level?
(6) How do you feel about the power and prevalence of clergymen 
as leaders in the black community?
(7) Do you feel that religion has impeded the black community, 
and in what way?
(8) What connection do you see if any between black religion and
politics and the quality of today's leaders?
(9) Do you think there is a connection between religiosity (or 
lack thereof) and hatred towards other groups (Jews, Koreans, 
Hispanics, etc.)?  Or for that matter a propensity toward 
conspiracy theories?
(10) How prevalent do you think paranormal, occult, and pseudo-
scientific beliefs (voodoo, astrology, dream books, etc.) are in
the black community, and do they bother you?
(11) Are there any particular negative experiences regarding
religion that you have had?
(12) Do you have close friendships outside of your own racial/
ethnic group, and do you think your atheism/skepticism is somehow
a contributing factor?
(13) If you are male, do you know any female black atheists?
(14) Do you know of famous black historical figures who are/were
atheists/freethinkers?  Do you know of any that we do not?  Does
it matter to you one way or the other?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown)
Subject: Re: Nation of Islam and AIDS
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:57:09 GMT

In article <stovall.721338186@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>This week's Prime Time Live (ABC) promises an expose on an alleged scam
>>the Nation of Islam is running. Apparently they're selling a purported
>>cure for AIDS. I believe the programme runs on Tuesday.
>
>I for one will be looking forward to the show. The NOI "cure" is a low-dosage
>regimen of alpha-interferon, marketed as "Immunex". The treatment, which was
>developed and studied in Kenya, was largely ignored (almost ridiculed) by
>the US AIDS establishment until recently. I believe the NIH has authorized
>clinical trials along the lines of the Kenyan work in the last week or
>two. I wish Billi Goldberg read this board. African Americans need to get
>more seriously informed about AIDS, seeing as how the plague threatens to
>literally **DEVASTATE** the Continent.
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>steven stovall                   
>stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu         
>(310) 825-7307

   If anyone is really interested in Immunex I can speak a little on the
subject.  (I'm busy right now...)  It has been presented in several
seminars at this medical college...

Peace

Bill
From: Ralph Dumain <rdumain@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 06 Nov 92 20:09 PST
Subject: Re: BLACK ATHEISM
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471600050:cdp:1471600052:000:104
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rdumain    Nov  6 20:09:00 1992


Quite obviously, I am searching ONLY for like-minded people,
especially since this is costing me money.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: "Nigger" DIs and "Nigger" Dat
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:19:59 GMT

Im sure this discussion has been done *so* many times..I guess using that N
word would be the same like a woman wanting to call herself a bitch...I per-
sonally dont like either word, but some people use Nigger when theyre talking
to their friends, for those who do, I guess its acceptible, as long as its
not coming from another race, especially the white race...THe word Bitch, 
some women wear as a badge of strength for whatever reason, turning the neg-
ative into a positive...I know Im not Ig'nant, so I dont consider myself a 
'Nigger'....Others may equate to it other positive attributes, and therefore
deem it acceptible, and all I can say to that is to each his own.

                                                 RJ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Cultural leaders, cultural hate
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:50:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov5.003136.14514@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.055311.8694@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>Right...and the Nazi collaboration of the 1930's was because of the
>Jewish state. Or perhaps the troubles during the Roman empire were
>caused by that. There has been bitter, vicious warfare in the Middle
>East since at least the dawn of recorded history. Go read the Bible
>for some interesting examples.

Sigh.  I was trying to avoid this.

By the time of the "Nazi collaboration" (which was essentially
prompted by the ravings of one ultra-conservative religious leader),
Zionists had already purchased large segments of Palestine from
absentee landords, evicted Arab peasants from their land, and were
setting up exclusively Jewish communities in the middle of what had
been Arab land for centuries.  This prompted a perfectly understandable
backlash among the native population, some of which turned ugly and
racist.  Its really not any different from Americans bashing Japanese cars.





>Perhaps we could call this an example of Euro-centrism - the idea that
>something the Europeans did (the creation of Isreal) is more important
>than several millenia of local history.

What "several millenia" are you talking about?  You cited two
incident, one which took place during the Zionist settlement and was a
reaction to it, and the other which took place two thousand years ago
and which involved a conflict between Jews and Romans, not Arabs.


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