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From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: Seetham's Blasphemy or Cheap Tickets To VaikunTam
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:38:31 GMT

In article <17744@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.155353.809@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>There are some language bigots who simply hate north indians
>>because they speak Hindi, and hate them simply because they
>>are north indians.
>>
>>...kt
>
>Some people cannot accept diversity. They have severe inferiority complex
>that they consider their language is inferior to other languages.
>They often deviate from topics under discussion to reveal this complex.
>Kurram, I pity you. Gaaduthey can not become Gurram just by hating
>aavu. Take pride in what you are!
>

1] While I am not familiar with the context of your exchange, based opon
   the two paragraphs given here, I must agree with kt.
   
    In fact, I think it is only when you are so secure in your own identity
and your own culture that you can appreciate what is good in cultures different
from yours. Languages and cultures are not things that can be compared like
arithmetic values. They represent the sum of experience for a group of people
and the way they react to it, which later becomes a mechanism to protect the
identity of the group. That is, groups suffeciently old will try to enforce its
'culture' as a means of showing that they are different and to affirm in the 
minds  of those who make up that group, that their culture is the best.

The more the threat real or apparent that the culture faces, more violent is 
its efforts to become more rigid and binding. It is manifest in america, with
american born indians who are brought up in a excessively 'indian' atmosphere
precisely because their parents did not integrate with american society, and
they feel the urge to assert that its not them at fault but the 'heathen' 
around them. I have nothing against american born indians, several of them
are my close friends, and I am proud of the way some of them have successfully
combined the good of two cultures without making judgements about either of 
them.

We dont have to put down other cultures, be it north indian or american
to glorify our own. I feel we must be sufficiently confident about our
own backgrounds and cultures to be worried about praise for others.

I completely agree with you that we must be proud of what we are ourselves.
But not to the point where we insist that ours is the only or best culture.
That is the way of bigotry.


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From: shubu@green.cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Bangla gaaner/kobitar parody?
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:34:29 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences


Onekdin por-e Mr. Chatterjee'r Rubi Rai-er parody/extension por-e thek-er
addar kotha mon-e por-e gelo.   Any more parodies?

Thanks.
-Shubu
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From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:38:04 GMT

AHHHH ! Now that the Bengali newsgroup is well on the way to formation,
all we need is Dasur konar cha-er dokan to serve deem toast, kolaa, half
cup cha, biskut, and, of course, Churms and Feeltar Hoeels ceegarette,
while our minds wrestle with the problems facing mankind in general, and
our fingers wrestle with the carrom board.
Aamaar sonaar aaddaa !
Ruchir.

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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: US && Pakistan (was (Re: Surprising news (
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:04:59 GMT



Its funny to see the US branding other countries a "terorist state" for
supporting armed factions fighting another faction/govt. in another country,
when it itself supports numerous such groups in Latin America, Africa and the 
far east. Remember the Khmer Rouge led by Pol Pot, which killed a couple of
millions of its own people, was supported by the US only because it believed
that they would fight the communists. 

As far as the US is concerned it will support any group as long as it helps them
to fight their foremost enemies of the time. Obviously it would be
uncomfortable to look too closely at the trocities committed  by these groups.

Remember the great uproar when the Soviets shot down a KAL jetliner when it
supposedely "strayed" into Soviet airspace. No one remembers the Iranian
civilian jetliner the US navy shot down in the Persian gulf. Their excuse was
that their most advanced weapons systems couldn't figure out whether it was
a civilian aircraft or a fighter aircraft!!!. The captain of the naval ship
that
shot down the aircraft was later feted for his "bravery" in the war.

There are no issues which can be painted black and white; as right or wrong.
We can only work towards diminishing the risk of conflict and increasing peace
and amity.

--Javed.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Learn English, Saeed ( Was Re: Apology demanded from dchatterjee)
Date: 26 Dec 92 20:37:18 GMT
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In article <783fall217@cse.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu ( Syed Agha Saeed) writes:
> I want to clarify one thing that I am not agree with the
> thoughts of mr.shams either. Dont assume that I am supporting
> such kind of things.
>

	At least your grammatical style is just as coherent as his:-)
Why don't you guys take a hike and while you are at it, learn a little
bit of English from an elementary school? After all, you guys need to undo
the filthy madrasa material that you learned in your childhood.

	Don't even assume that I am supporting such kind of things:-)

> syed agha saeed

Irfan Ahmed,
Sys. Admin, Calico Tech.
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From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman )
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.religion.indian-subcontinent
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:59:43 GMT

f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:

)Important points:
)1) Religion seems to be a very popular topic in SCB/SCI/and SCP. 
)...
)2) We don't really seem to understand each other properly. 
)...
)3) In our country education system covers our eyes with colored paper.
)...
)4) Unity is one thing that has been absent in this subcontinent. 
)...
)Thus I request people to discuss the good and bad point of formming
)the group called
)
)     soc.culture.religion.Indian-subcontinent.

First off the Usenet namespace issues:

soc.culture encompasses everything for a geographical area (this one
is open to dispute since the formation of the so-called language
speakers' group). Religion is a part of it. In order to discuss
religion as a separate topic, either a soc.religion or a talk.religion
is warranted. The tradition has been to keep soc.religion as a set of
moderated groups and talk.religion as a set of unmoderated groups.
Ofcourse there has been a bad precedent set by soc.religion.quaker
recently.

Now for the aspect of a region figuring under talk.religion:

talk.religion is usually for groups with names associated with some
religion. I am not sure how admins would react to the name of the
region figuring as a name. I would think that there shouldn't be much
of a problem convincing people. If I were to suggest a name I would go
for "TALK.RELIGION.SOUTHASIA" which avoids all issues relating to
"which indian", "hey, my country is left out".

)A friends coment when I asked him for sugestion:
)
)It's a fairly good idea.  We don't need to list all topics right now.  All
)it's matter that we understand the pupose of the forum - an honest
)communication on various issues and the way we feel or think about those
)issuse.  We agree to exchange views without imposing or hurting the other
)party.  A respectful and educational exchange of views.

I agree with the above sentiments.

[For readers of soc.culture.indian]
Of late, soc.culture.indian has been hogging too much bandwidth (and
to the person  who said "NSFNET has T3 lines" NSFNET != Internet and
Internet != Usenet). You only have to look at Matthias Urlichs'
postings on news.lists to get the real picture of it where SCI is in
the top 5 or 10 in terms of bytes/articles. You wouldn't notice until
your site decides to reduce the expire time on SCI or pull the plug on
SCI totally.

)With regards
)SUPRATIC GUPTA

I have to acknowledge the fact that V. Nagarajan mailed me reg. a
talk.religion.<something> a long time back but left it alone after the
formation of regional groups and Rajeev Gowda also mailed me
on proposing a new religious group.

If there are no takers, I would be willing to send out an RFD and CFV
(if there is sufficient interest).

Just my $0.02,
Sridhar.
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From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bangalore
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:08:40 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

> The recent discovery of silver coins of the Roman emperor Caligula 
> near Yashwantpur Extension suggests that that area was a trade centre
> during the 1st cent. AD, when Rome had a roaring maritime trade 
> with the Indian peninsula.
>  Jayant Naik
>


I have a friend living in Yeshwanthapura  who is a numismatist.

10 centuries later....


;-) sudarshan





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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:22:03 GMT



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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: The Significance of Arya - 3/3
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 DEC 92 22:54:49    


	Arya - its Significance Part 3/3

From - The Supramental Manifestation and Other Writings by Sri Aurobindo.
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... Self-perfection is the aim of his self-conquest. Therefore, what he
conquers he does not destroy, but ennobles and fulfils. He knows that the
body, life and mind are given him in order to attain to something higher
than they; therefore they must be transcended and overcome, their limitations
denied, the absorption of their gratifications rejected. But he knows also
that the Highest is something which is no nullity in the world, but
increasingly expresses itself here, - a divine Will, Consciousness, Love,
Beatitude which pours itself out, when found, through the terms of the
lower life on the finder and on all in his environment that is caoable of
receiving it. Of that he is the servant, lover and seeker. When it is
attained, he pours it forth in work, love, joy and knowledge upon mankind.
For always the Aryan is a worker and warrior. He spares himself no labour
of mind or body whether to seek the Highest or to serve it. He avoids no
difficulty, he accepts no cessation from fatigue. Always he fights for the
coming of that kingdom within himself and in the world.

The Aryan perfected is the Arhat. There is a transcendent Consciousness
which surpasses the universe and of which all these worlds are only a side-issue
and a by-play. To that consciousness he aspires and attains. There is a
Consciousness which, being transcendent, is yet the universe and all that the
universe contains. Into that consciousness he enlarges his limited ego;
he becomes one with all beings and all inanimate objects in a single
self-awareness, love, delight, all-embracing energy. There is a consciousness
which, being both transcendental and universal, yet accepts the apparent
limitations of individuality for work, for various standpoints of knowledge,
for the play of the Lord with His creations; for the ego is there that it may
finally convert itself into a free centre of the divine work and the divine
play. That consciousness too he has sufficient love, joy and knowledge to
accept; he is puissant enough to effect that conversion. To embrace
individuality after transcending it is the last and divine sacrifice. The
perfect Arhat is he who is able to live simultaneously in all these three
apparent states of existence, elevate the lower into the higher, receive
the higher into the lower, so that he may represent perfectly in the
symbols of the world that with he is identified in all parts of his
being, - the triple and triune Brahman.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: RARE GEM TO READ AND REMEMBER !!
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:55:19 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:07:04 PST
From: Makarand Gadre <a-makag@microsoft.com>
Subject: A Joke
 
This is one of my favourites.
 
In a jungle, there is a tiger resting under a tree. A monkey sitting on
the tree wants to play a prank on the tiger so it sneaks down, kicks
the tiger in the butt and jumps back on the tree. The tiger is furious.
But he can't do anything so he goes back to rest. The same thing
happens again and at the third instance of kicking, the tiger starts
climbing the tree. Monkey jumps from one tree to another & the tiger
keeps on chasing him from tree to tree. Suddenly there is a clearing in
the woods and there is a small house in front of a lake. There is a man
swimming in the lake with his belongings like clothes, hat, glasses
etc. on a chair on the patio. The monkey goes up to the chair, wears
the clothes, puts on the hat, glasses and sits on the chair reading a
newspaper. The tiger reaches there panting and exhausted from the
pursuit and thinking that the monkey is a human, asks him "Sir, did you
see any monkey around here?" The monkey asks back "Are you talking
about the one that kicked you in the butt ?" The tiger is amazed "Oh
No. It already came in the papers Hmmmm.!!!"
 
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Sent on the net w/o permission of Sri Makarand Gadre..And apologies for doing so
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Note : This is taken from the  India-Digest. I find that this article along
with other news was already posted on the net SCI(#57127)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: skonda@eng.auburn.edu (Srikanth Konda)
Subject: greetings
Reply-To: skonda@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:09:00 GMT


nutana samvamstara subhakankshalu 

srikanth.
From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: STORY # 8
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:58:43 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

                           THE WIT OF THE JESTER
                          -----------------------
                                                    Author Unknown

A certain king had one court jester. The jester used to entertain the king so
well that wherever the king went, he took the jester along. The king was very
fond of him and the jester too was a smart fellow.

One day in the month of 'Kartik' the whole party of the king went to the 
nearby forest for a picnic. The cooks of the king prepared a sumptous feast
with several good dishes. One of them was the 'Laddu'. As the lunch was to be
about served, the king asked the jester to sit beside him. Everything went on
well with the jokes and food until a small mistake occured on the servants'
part. Somehow they forgot to serve the 'laddu' to the jester. But the jester was
very fond of the 'laddu' and couldnot ask for one, as he was seated himself
next to the king !!

So he thought of a way and told the king : " Suppose suddenly one thunderbolt
falls on all of you just now, what would you do sir ? "
The king thought for a while and said : " Well, normally there is not even rain
in the month of Kartik but if a thunderbolt falls, that too only on us, I am
sure it will fall on you too !!!"

The jester retorted : " How can you say that ? The 'laddu' that has fallen in
all your plates, has not fallen in mine ? "

The king laughed a while, called the servants and saw to it that the jester
had enough 'laddus' for his lunch.
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Subject: **NEED ROOM AT DETROIT**
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From: mamta@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: TEST
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:48:36 GMT


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi)
Subject: Re: ANT-ARYAN = ANTI-RAM
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.162552.3197@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ayyagari@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (subramanyam.ayyagari) writes:
>An after-thought:
>
>*  Ram was an Aryan. 
> Aryans, I assume came from Central Asia. They drove the Dravidians
>who were in India, down south.

Great! You think you are 1930s or what?
>
>* Ravan was a Dravidian. 
> Aryans again fought with Dravidians and gave them a beating.
>\
same as above...how did you get these antiquated theories into
your head now?

>From, an ancestral point of view, we all South Indians (most of us)
>being Dravidian descent, should be ANTI-ARYAN.
>
>And we can conclude henceforth, that we should be ANTI-RAM,
>becuz, ancestrally speaking, he is from the other side of the fence.
>
>Subu
>
>\
Actually mr.subu, these theories not only say that north indians are
aryan and south indians are dravidian. They say that lower caste hindus
are dravidian and higher caste hindus aryan..They also advocate kicking
brahmins on their butts. Shall we follow all that?
>
>-- 
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>* (908) 949 1953 [Work]             *              TO A DOG              *

Kaha kaha se aathe hai ae sab aadhaa akal ke log.

narain.

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From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: ... Please stop this ... (was Re: On AP Brahmins: the 6000 Niyogis)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:29:27 GMT

In article <C07Gx2.AAv@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.230824.4961@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>>
>>In my opinion, only the rayalu people are worthy enough to demand separate
>>identity for having safegaurded south indian culture from the trio of bahmani,
>>ahmdenagar and bijapur...   Others are just goats grazing on telugu bhoomi...
>>epecailly the brahmana castes...
>>
>I agree that Krishnaraya was perhaps the best that we had.
>What is meant by grazing on the Brahmana caste? I don't understand
>this! 
>>
>>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>>
>I thought that it is desirable to know historically aspects
>that affected the lives of the Telugus! There is nothing wrong
>in it! If brahmins were divided one day, and the need of the hour is 
>is to unite them, then let that be done by understanding past 
>mistakes. If Hindus are divided and the need of the hour is
>to unite Hindus, then do so by understanding past mistakes
>the past tradition. That is the way to synthesiZe novelties!
>
>One understands what was the intention in the past, what was good
>about it, why certain thing went bad, and make amends to that.
>
>Anyhow I posted material that I felt is informative! Many of us
>do not know many things!
>
>Do you know that the gold statue in the hands of ahobiLamutt
>jeer is indeed the one made by prataparudrudu! We had a college
>level vyaasam on that story. When I saw the statue proper
>in the villiage with the jeer, i simply could not believe
>my eyes. So beautiful it is! Next time you visit India,
>try to visit the jeer, and see the same. It is ours, of Telugus.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>If we don't keep that in mind, it will end up in TN, and as part of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>TN history; just like Madras ended up as TN.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

         I am a Tamil and yet my heart did warm up when you
         proudly said that "It is ours, of Telugus". It is
         certainly a great feeling. However, your next few words
         rudely destroyed the true joy one would feel. 
         Are you not displaying divisive chauvanism ? 
        
>
>...kt
>


        - Selva

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