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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:51:12 GMT
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In article <FsZ4TB3w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes) writes:


DANIELLE WEI's COMMENTS (>)
   > 
   >    blacks like educational quotas (how else can they get people
   >    into top schools?) 

PATTI HAYES' COMMENTS (>>)
>>What a racist remark....East Indians use those quotas and you are probably
>>one of them!!!!!
  
[..deleted]

>>Whether you like it or not there will be a lot more blacks in the republican
>>party because blacks are really very conservative....don't judge all by what
>>you see on the street corners..Just as I don't judge all east Indians by the 
>>goings on in the local Sari shop!


NAEEM MOHAIEMEN RESPONDS (>>>)

>>>Will you netters on soc.culture.asian.american please pay a little more
>>>attention to the originators of the quotes!

>>>The comments you (PATTI HAYES) are attacking are from Daniel Wei, who is
>>>Chinese. You are addressing "East Indians", so I take it you think I am
>>>the originator of comment on quotas. I am not. I was responding to Wei's
>>>ignorant remarks (The comments immediately beneath the dashed lines are
>>>mine, go back and look at original post). I have already received e-mail
>>>from other people who made this mistake.

>>>And I am not "East Indian"! I am Bangladeshi.

NAEEM MOHAIEMEN (>>>)



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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: No More Sophistries
Date: 3 Nov 92 10:00:59 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <BwunJC.M55@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>Well, do you serious believe two people 4-feet tall can give birth to a
>son/daughter that's 6'6"??

  No, I'd expect it to be unlikely, with the likelyhood going down to extremely
unlikely if all ancestors of the parents for a few generations also were 4-feet
tall, and astronomically unlikely if all relatives also were 4 feet tall. 

>NW

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From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:11:13 GMT
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program


Three alternative descriptions of "Asian-American":

1. An ethnic group that was denied the right of naturalized US citizenship
   at around the turn of the century, and whose immigration was
   outlawed between that time and roughly 1948, and resumed in
   significant numbers only after 1965.

2. A non-white ethnic group that, on average, is wealthier and better
   educated than whites.

3. An American who does not "look American."

Take any one of the above and try to make it precise by enumerating
the ethnic groups described.  This will lead to the standard

  "Asian-American = (East-Asian + Asian-Indian) American."

Kris Popat
MIT Rm. E15-391  Cambridge, MA  02139
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Hillary Clinton...1st Woman President ?
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:02:22 GMT

I have been discussing election returns with my colleagues and an interesting
question was posed by various Asian-American co-workers.  They are saying that
the US finally elected a women President...namely, Hillary Clinton.

This by no means is an attempt to undermine Pres.-elected Clinton's support,
However, many Asian-American colleagues point out the demeanor and status
of Hillary Clinton and that she will not be a wife that simply gives advise
to the President...but rather, she will actually be drafting many of the
legislations yet to come before the Congress.

My colleagues' rationale are as follows...throughout the course of East Asian
politics...there have been numerous instances in which strong female 
personalities have come to dominate the political power structure.

The most notable female personalities
that comes to mind are Masako-dono of the Hojo Regency - Kamakura Bakufu
during the early-13th century Japan...and Tzi-Chi Tai-Ho (Empress Dowanger) of
the Ching Dynasty of early 20th-century China.  Both female personalities were
very strong in character and ruled from off the scene.

This off-the-scene power scheme is what the Japanese name "Kuromaki"...or 
the Black Curtain of the Puppet Theatre.  This power arrangement is quite
similiar to the position of Vice Premier Deng Shao-Ping (or Done Shopping in
colloquial English :) of the Mainland China in which the official head of the
government may not necessarily be the main political power broker. Another
example of the "kuromaki" can be seen in the resignation of Japan Prime
Minister Kaifu when he lost support from various factions within his own
party.

Therefore....the question that I would like to submit to my colleagues on this
newsgroup is that will Hillary Clinton be such a power broker within the
confines of the White House (she does possess a Law degree...and she 
certainly is not the kind of lady contend only baking cookies at home).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mike@clubmezz.berkeley.edu (Michael T. Itamura)
Subject: 1992 Election results of Calif Asian Americans
Reply-To: mike@clubmezz.berkeley.edu (Michael T. Itamura)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:45:10 GMT

	Well the elections are now over and the new Congressional
delegation from the state of California contains four Asian
Americans.  Mineta and Matsui both were re-elected to Congress.
The two newcomers are Jay Kim (R-Parts of LA, Orange, San Bernardino
Counties) and Mark Takano (D-Riverside).
	In other election news, Nao Takasugi (D- Ventura County)
became only the third Asian American to be elected to serve in the
California State Assembly.  The other two were Floyd Mori and Paul
Bannai.
	Any other Asian Americans win during the election?

	Mike Itamura   
	mike@clubmezz.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 1992 Election results of Calif Asian Americans
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:21:18 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <yfA=za-@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
>>My solution: Social service exams, don't let those executives [clinto]
>>appoint people because he needs to repay their favors!! Look at the
>>drug czar we have today!?!? (name=Martinez, see story on Inside Edition)
>>CORRUPTION!!!
>
>What do you mean by Social service exams?  Wasn't Martinez (Florida's 
>ex-governor) Bush's drug czar?  What does that have to do with Clinton?

Yes, Martinez was Florida's governor, and he is BUSH's drug czar, but he
hasn't done shit.. According to Inside Edition, he's been taking bribes
and the appointing the briber to a high position.. Nearly everybody in his
office were appointed because of who they knew rather than what they did..
Every president does that, and I expect [though i hope not] clinton would
do the same thing

As for social service exams: anything that can seperate a Baker from
Martinez

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>| of its existence.  This means that we all owe at least $10,000 each  |  
>| on the national debt.  You can't get something for for free.         |
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NW
From: ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Is there an FAQ for this group?
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40792
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Is there an FAQ for this group? Where might I find it? Also...
just what does '-cu' stand for? I am suspecting it might be
'culture' but I am not sure.
	Maiko Covington
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Slick Willy....1st Flip
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:02 GMT

CBS News just reported this morning that after months of opposing the
North American Free Trade agreement reached among Pres. Bush - Canada -
Mexico...Pres-elected Clinton announced that he will accept the trade
agreement without any reservation or amendments.

This is flip No. 1.   Stay tuned for additional flips.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:35:14 GMT

In article <19921109023015IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
(Gann Matsuda) writes:
>The following is the text from a flyer I just produced publicizing some
>events that I'm coordinating (sponsored by the UCLA Asian American
>Studies Center).  They may be of interest to some of you...
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>50th Anniversary of Japanese American Internment
>UCLA Asian American Studies Center ...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Any questions?  Feel free to send e-mail!

Yes, I do have a question.

Will there be a similar commemoration at Stanford?  If there is, I
can guarantee that at least 1 person will attend.

I don't ever recall that this sort of event was ever held at Stanford.
The closest thing was a pitiful display of personal paintings by internment
victims; the paintings were displayed at some Asian-American event earlier
this year.

UCLA _is_ a fairly long drive .... I'm sure that I'm not the only one
in the Bay Area who feels this way.

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:40:33 GMT

In article <BxM70G.9w1@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
writes:
>dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>>Dwight Joe writes:
>>There's another case.  It involves China Airlines.  Acoording to ABC
>>News and Reuter's news service, this airline (which is run by Chinese-cu
>>folks) has at least 2 requirements that applicants for the position
>>of flight attendant must meet.  They are
>>
>>   (1)  The applicants must be virgins.
>>I agree with this rule, but it's probably false
>>BTW, what does this have to do with racism??
>>>As for #1, I'll
>>>just add that there were some Chinese-cu twits in s.c.a.a., s.c.c, and
>>>s.c.t arguing _in_ _favor_ of #1.
>>What's wrong with the first rule you immoral pig? What happened to the
>>family values?? (another weakpoint of the American culture) :)
>Do any of us have a mother who is a virgin? 
>Yet most of us consider our mothers to be moral persons.
>Non-virginity does not imply immorality.
>Requiring applicants for the position of flight attendant to 
>be virgins may not be racist, but I'll bet that (a) there are
>no or few male flight attendants, (b) there are no or few
>female pilots, (c) the virgin requirement applies to female 
>flight attendants but not to male pilots.
>In this case, I would certainly call rule (1) sexist.
>-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu

Please note that Mr. Watanabe has screwed up the attributions marker.
He's done this in the past.

At no time did I ever believe virginity to be an appropriate requirement
for employment.  All that I'm saying is that China Airlines, an airline
run by Chinese-cu folks, uses such a requirement and that this attitude
is typical of the mental processes in Chinese culture.

I condemn this narrow-mindedness and bigotry.

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From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: BATTLE FOR NICHIREN NATION RAGES OUT OF CONTROL IN JAPAN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:05:00 GMT

In article <1dnqb7INNfij@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
> 
>[long story about Nichiren deleted]

Then
>tueda@sco.COM (Takehiro Ueda) writes:
> 
>>Hey, what is this ? Is this a fiction ? Of course, it is. Why won't the person 
>>who posted this please say "this is a fiction" just in case ? I'm afraid that 
>>some American friends who read this may take it seriously. I was born in Hyogo
>>and had lived there for 26 years until 1991 but I've never heard of this ;-)
>>Anyway this is a pretty good fiction. I enjoyed this. 

Then
In article <1992Nov12.151952.8365@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou) writes...
> 
>This isn't entirely fiction.  This is very close to what happened to India
>except all of the Indian politicians' names and locations have been
>replaced with Japanese ones.  I am curious why the original poster did
>this?

If you are interested in reading some of Henry Robertson's fiction, he
occasionally posts on s.c.japan.  As long as one knows his stuff is fiction
and as long as he does not spew a lot of his stuff onto the net, he does
add a bit of spice to scj.  But if what you say is true, it sounds like
his stuff may be a bit derivative as well.  Shame, Mr. Robertson...

-- Makoto
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 09:59:04 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Nov6.235124.27863@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.135700.2034@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> vallamn@ucbeh.san.uc.edu 
>writes:
>
>>The association of the word 'asian' with 'oriental' is of American
>>( read white ) origin, and that does not mean you ( and me ) should
>>accept it as what it is, namely a misnomer.  I am not criticizing 
>>here, just suggesting.  So don't flame without explanations please.
>
>Yes, 'asian' doesn't mean 'oriental' but it's not necessarily the
>fault of "White" suppression.  What I think has occurred here is that
>there have been too many Asian Americans whose ethnic backgrounds are
>"far eastern" and thus the slant on this newsgroup is toward that perspective.
I would say that the association of Asian == Oriental was made
NOT by White Americans, but by Americans of East Asian ancestry (:-))
during the late 60's. The political logic, as spelled out in Alan
Hu's earlier post, was that the word "Oriental" was condescending,
and hence "Asian" was appropriated as the preferred terminology
to be actively propagated among all hip people.  The fallacy of
this logic is, of course, that Asia is larger than just its Pacific
Rim, and appropriating it to mean only East Asians leaves a billion
Asians in India, Pakistan, Iran, etc. linguistically dispossessed :-).
There seems to be no "good" solution to the use of "Asian". If we
expand the usage to its proper geographical extent, we risk losing
any semblance of commonality (might as well say, "the Old World").
If we add more adjectives, i.e., East Asian, South Asian, West Asian,
we would be technically correctly but end up with a mouthful of
directions.  Say, explain to me again why "Oriental" sounds so bad ??

Joe Huang
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese for Perot
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:09:12 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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In article <BxBCrv.5BB@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T  
Wei) writes:
> In article <1ddbrgINNn24@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU  
(Angel Puerta) writes:
> >
> >a) 400 years ago: That's 1592. Spain was about to reach the height of its
> >empire which will hold for more than two more centuries. I don't know
> 
> O.K. O.K. maybe not 400 years. But I do remember: after Spain ran out of gold
> from the New World, it went bankrupt

I will follow up just this once, since the subject is not for this newsgroup.

Please don't just "remember" when talking about history.

What happened in fact was that Spain had SO MUCH gold brought from the colonies  
that it created an economic crisis because the price of gold went through the  
floor. This coupled with wars in the colonies and against neighbors put the  
empire in serious trouble.

> you have to admit that Spain has lost a lot of power since its golden days

I don't see what's the comparison. Empires based on territorial gains (Roman,  
Arab, Spanish, British) are a thing of the past. All history. There is no point  
of reference to compare the situation today (economic empires) with the  
situation x 100s years ago. Under your line of reasoning, England and Italy are  
not as powerful either today as they were sometime ago. But there is not a  
conclusion that can be drawn from that as to whether they're better or worse  
today than at the height of their respective empires. It is the same for Spain.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:28:01 GMT

In article <BxMK94.8C3@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) went on about...
>>>What's wrong with the first rule you immoral pig? What happened to the
>>>family values?? (another weakpoint of the American culture) :)
>>
>>The problems is that the requirement has nothing to do with one's ability to 
>>perform the functions of the job.  Opinions concerning one's morality in
>>such matters are highly irrelevant.
>
>But a culture is based on those "highly irrelevant" moralities..
>Is it a "good thing" now that the Americans are letting the fundamental
>bases of their culture rot in the name of freedom of speech?

Which American culture are you talking about?  There is a huge range
of diverse ideas withing "American culture".  Whose ideas are right?  How
does one make that determination?  How does hiring only virgins help the
morality of the Chinese culture?  How does one determine if a person is 
a virgin? (I will assume that the requirement is equally applicable to men
and women unless otherwise informed.)  

The most important question, of course, is:  Is a society truly "moral" when
said morals are imposed by force rather than adhered to voluntarily?

What is the good thing in American culture is that we are all allowed to
make the determinations for ourselves.  This means that one person can take
great pride in maintaining his/her virginity while another does not have to
care.  

Yasmin
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:23:23 PST

In article <1992Nov9.223514.8921@leland.Stanford.EDU>, on 9 Nov 92 22:35:14 GMT,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>
>In article <19921109023015IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
>(Gann Matsuda) writes:
>>The following is the text from a flyer I just produced publicizing some
>>events that I'm coordinating (sponsored by the UCLA Asian American
>>Studies Center).  They may be of interest to some of you...
>>---------------------------------------------------------------
>>50th Anniversary of Japanese American Internment
>>UCLA Asian American Studies Center ...
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Any questions?  Feel free to send e-mail!
>
>Yes, I do have a question.
>
>Will there be a similar commemoration at Stanford?  If there is, I
>can guarantee that at least 1 person will attend.
>
>I don't ever recall that this sort of event was ever held at Stanford.
>The closest thing was a pitiful display of personal paintings by internment
>victims; the paintings were displayed at some Asian-American event earlier
>this year.
>
>UCLA _is_ a fairly long drive .... I'm sure that I'm not the only one
>in the Bay Area who feels this way.
>
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Dwight-- 

Events have been scheduled throughout the past nine months commemorating
the 50th Anniversary.  I'm sure there were a number of events in the
Bay Area, but the largest events have been here in Los Angeles.
I can't speak for what Stanford may or may not be doing.  You might want
to find out if the Stanford University Nikkei had anything planned
last February.  Chances are, the 50th Anniversary events are finished
everywhere but in LA.

Gann Matsuda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american