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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:28:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <BxxC15.FyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>  (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.142409.28326@tamsun.tamu.edu>  (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
>>The saddest of all is that some innocent people are being 
>>manipulated without ever realizing it. Your remarks and actions may
>>start innocent but play right into hands of politicians.
>I view this as a mutual playing. Politicians play the people and
>people play politicians. If the play is not fair, the game will
>not continue. The basic rule is that everyone must be happy.
>
Come on! How could common people play with politicians? The politicians
in CCP have power to play with, to mess up and get away. But, the common
people aways have to suffer. Are you allowed to play with small Deng or
old Deng? No way! People are always put in people mountain people sea
to be killed and never know who put them to death.

>For example, the 6/4 Massacre was not fair to the people. So
>they began to hate the government.
>
The fact is people started to hate CCP since 1949. But, they have no
place to complain, no way to reverse the sistuation, and no way to change
anything. During 6/4 months, people  regain free air for weeks,
they spoke up from minds. It is sad that people again hidding things
in deep mind since then.

I always wonder why there is no news on CCP newspaper and CCTV. A small
Hong Kong and Taiwan have 40 pages daily newspaper and people still
feel that could not cover enough. The hugh land and big population of
China has no news to report on TV, so CCTV sometimes reports scenery
instead. It doesn't seem to be right. People are deprived of getting
information right.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:57:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University

In article <92Nov21.131311est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.174526.1204@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>>(deleted)
>agreed.  But I think complete conquest of the Korean peninsula was never
>was the PLA's objective, Peng DeHuai is probably satisfied by capture of

It was still a puzzle to me who decided Chinese Volunteer Army to cross
38 parallel and capture Seoul. If CVA stopped at 38 parallel, China would
be in much better position.

>Seoul and some territorial gain, however he couldn't hold them very long.
>
>In my opinion MacArthur was a terrible general, in some sense he really
>provoked the Chinese to come in to the war by pushing to the Yalu river,
>and occasionally bomb the other side by "mistake".  That made the Chinese
>really nervous 'cause there won't be a buffer zone left, and next thing
>before you know the CIA will certainly be supporting nationalist gurreilla
>warfare near that area.  

It was Mao who agreed to support Jim when necessary, as a precondition for
get Stalin's aid, this happened in early 1950. MacArthur's action made
China have to intervene. The occasional bomb by mistake and MacArthur's
high-fever speech offered China good excuse. USA did not expect China's
courage and stupidity, so MacArthur was taken by surprise.

>
>MacArthur also made the same mistake he made against the Japanese 
>in the Philippines, he took little action to handle the "what if" even
>after repeated warnings, which led to his force to be routed once again.
>
>>The primary US objective of maintaining South Korea _was_ achieved.
>>
>>It seems that the real losers were the dead of both sides and the Koreans
>>themselves, who gained nothing in the war and had their country wrecked.
>>
>true, the real losers are the koreans, the north lost more i think.  

China gained some reputation for our solidiers' courage, at the expense
of several hundred thousands of lives and 20 years' isolation. CCP leaders
have realizedi in early 60's, in some degrees, it was a mistake to side
exUSSR by joining the Korea War. But they never tell people the truth.
The propoganda still kept boasting, but in a slightly lower tone.

I regarded Mao's promise to Stalin was his first major mistake (or crime)
after 1949. Zhou EnLai blamed Luo LongJi for this mistake in 1969. Luo
had his own crime, but Mao was still final decision maker responsible to
this tragedy.
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:08:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.124011.797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>
>	Let me ask you a question. Imagine someone in your family, maybe
>your father or mother, goes into business in China. After some initial
>success this relative finds himself in competition with some government
>official, and is winning the competition. The government official, in 
>fear of going out of business, arrests your relative and puts him in
>jail for 10 years on some trumped up charges. For example, your relative
>is accused of being a "counterrevolutionary". 
>
>	Now, in this situation, would you support CMFN? Or rather, wouldn't
>you support *anything* that might help eliminate such injustices?
>
>
>	(Yes, I'm an American, and yes, America has injustices, too. That's
>not the point.)
>
I think the story above is to the extreme.  By taking away MFN,
only the normal Chinese citizens would get hurt.  Is that what the
Americans want?  This wouldn't make CG improve the human rights,
and it would certainly hurt innoncent people.
Besides, US also need to develop economic relationship with China.
If not, not only innocent Chinese would get hurt, you, innocent
American would get hurt also, by the down-trend of the economy.



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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: When was lantern (Deng1 Long3) invented?
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:54:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov16.070640.15060@news.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>A question for the historian:  When was lantern (Deng1 Long3) invented?

Good question.

>    I recently noticed that candles (Zhu2) were used even outdoors at night
>    in literatures written in the Han4 and Tang2 Dynasties.  I assume it
>    must be invented after Tang2 Dynasty then.

Wrong. Using candles can't be a proof that there was no DengLong. Silk Deng
Long must be invented long before, and paper Deng Long should have been
widely used before Tang. For example: 1) There was Yuan Xiao Deng Hui in
Tang. 2) There were Jiang Xin Yu Ho in Tang.

Let's see your example:

>Examples:   (Ping-in with word-for-word translation below to assist reading)
>
>1.	Ri4 Duan3     Ku3      Ye4 Chang2,   He2 Bu4  Bing3   Zhu2   You2.
>	 |    |       /\        |     |	      |   |     |     |       |
>	Day short sour(suffer) night long,   why not hold-up candle travel.

Old Li just imagined such a scene, he must think it more romantic than
"Ti Long You". Lao Su said hundreds years later, "Zhi Kong Ye Sheng Hua
Shui Qu, Gu Shao Gao Zhu Zhao Hong Zhuang" (Afraid that night may be too
deep and the flower may fall into sleep, I light a 2 meter candle to get
enough irradiaance on this red flower with right color temperature."

You can't use this as a proof that there was no DengLong in Song.

>
>2.	Ri4 Mu4     Han4 	    Gong1 Chuan2 La4 Zhu,
>	 |   |      /  \	      |     |      \ /
>	Day dusk Han4 (the dynasty) palace pass   candle
>
>	Qing1 Yan1    San4   Ru4  Wu3   Hou2   Jia1.
>	  |     |       |     |    |     |      |
>	Light smoke disperse into five marquis home.

Neither this does. This is about a ceremony after HanShi, like today's
Olympic's beacon passing.
>
>Tnx & cheers,

You too.
>--
>Harry Xu (KB2LHA)	"Hell has no terrors for pagans."  --Arthur Rimbaud


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:20:48 GMT

In article <By0tG6.4Lx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|
|We still upholding human right and insist that 6/4 Massacre was
|wrong and should be corrected. We can show our sinceriry toward
|the goals of both human right and fair trading status. If we the
|people have tried our best while there is still no positive response
|from the government, history will blame them.

	Ah!  "we the people" have spoken!!

	:-)



	 Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Chinese characters and sorting, collating, etc.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:40:57 GMT

In article <BxzJq9.1Mw@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>I do not see ordering chars as a problem. 
>In hz a Chinese char is represented by two ascii chars. 
>There is not problem to sort the ascii chars
>why should be a problem sorting chinese chars? 

Certainly if there is some representation, it can be sorted.  My question
was more on the lines of a representation such that

o  Rep(c1) < Rep(c2) iff c1 appears before c2 in a standard Chinese dictionary.
o  Rep(c1) = Rep(c2) iff c1 is the same character as c2.

It is not clear that this property is satisfied by the various encodings I've
read about, except for possibly ISO-Unicode.

This property is important in databases since database applications typically
produce reports ordered by text keys like names, etc.  The ordering used by
a DBMS (as opposed to editors or browsers) needs to be meaningful to humans as
well as computers.

An "arbitrary" ordering is useful to a certain extent in that it provides the
basis for primary and secondary text indices, but some human-useful ordering
scheme needs to at least be available.

If there are several legitimate dictionary orderings, a database would need to
have representation maps for each ordering keyed off its base storage
representation so that sorts based on each ordering can be performed.

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From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: A view on the US electoral college system
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:57:09
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

{Disclaimer: This article was originally posted to other news group,
 it is reposted verbatim with the hope that this news group might find it
 informative.  The view contained in this article is the author's.}

From: best@anasazi.com (Mike Best)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: EC Protects Minority Rights
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:07:49 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA

I would like to address the general argument made by many here that the
Electoral College (EC) is not "fair".  The EC is in actuality inherently
fair because it encourages the creation of concurrent majorities which 
form from minority factions.  This results in a two party system where 
we have majority rule with _consent_ of the minority.

The founders recognized that a system wherein a majority faction controlled
the political system, and never allowing the minority to have a hand in
governing, would ultimately fail.  The system they designed included the
EC for this very important reason - to encourage minority factions to 
coalesce into a majority and to take power through legitimate elections.

Nothing would please, for example, white separatists more than for the
electoral system to divide the non-whites into monolithic areas.  For sake
of argument let's presume that it is possible to put all minorities into
a few states and whites into all the rest.  The result is that the minorities
may have 50 or so Congressmen but they are still an ineffective minority and
they will always be.

This hypothetical example contrasts with the current system in that the
minority populations in states can often be the swing votes that decide
elections.  They have real influence and can, at times, become part of
a majority coalition that assumes control of the government.  

Without this system the minorities could simply be ignored and their 
issues left untouched.  The EC protects their rights ultimately.

Majority rule with consent of the minority is a subtle but powerful concept.

Mike Best
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Moving frequencies
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:55:48 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

New York Times reported that the new figures show that Americans are moving
less than they used to.  What do you guys think is the reason?  Can we say
that when a country gets older, its people tend to stay at places longer?
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:34:19 -0500
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dtcc.edu

In article <9724@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>>
>>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>
>Will you go back to China, if it is NOT true?
>




I love my country, no matter what she did to me.

I just don't want the same tragedy happen to my son again.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:44:50 GMT

In article <lgh0phINNj0i@nada.cs.utexas.edu> s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:
>In article <BxuAFp.GEp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>CMFN will directly hurt decendents of CCP high officials.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Human right abuse directly hurt ordinary Chinese people.
>>As a person from ordinary Chinese, I think human right is more
>>important than MFN. You are entitled to hold your view.
>>I believe I am moral.
>>
>
>What if CMFN hurts the ordinary Chinese people more than the decendents of
>
>CCP high officials?
>
>Would you publish a name list of the decendents of CCP high officials 
>
>who are making millions?  
>
>Is there any other way besides CMFN to punish these decendents?  
>
>Punishing these decendents seems to be a popular move for IFCSS to consider.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>President-elect Clinton will not cut off China trade.  
>
>It is unlikely that he welcomes the CMFN bill.
>
It would prove that all these CMFN bills are just smoking screens for
power joggling. The Democrats's real intention was to embarrass Mr. Bush
and the Republicans. Now that they have successfully removed Bush from
office. CMFN would dissapear or become secondary. It's sad people like
Xiao-lin Li who,even though having been highly educated, 
are being played by politicians like cards
without even realizing this. When can you really grow up!
>
>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:51:17 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: dating a guy from China
Distribution: world
 <1erhpjINNdoo@roche.csl.sri.com>

In article <1erhpjINNdoo@roche.csl.sri.com>, kzhang@cisco.com (Kui Zhang) says:
>
>Someone wrote:
>|> Hi, there:
>|> I am a student from Taiwan and I was dating a guy from China before.
>|> It seemed he liked me but he was afraid of falling in love with me.
>|> I was lost.
>|> would anyone give me a hint or any suggestions?
>|> Thanks!
>
>There's no catagorical difference between mainland Chinese and Chinese else
>where.
>First, all can speak (or read/write) the same language.
>Second, all have black hair/eye.
>Third, all are human beings.
>
>You got to do the analysis on individual bases.
>After all you know more about him because you have dated him.
>
>
>.kui

  Come on, guys. Give the lady a hand, if you could. She need enough
  courage to post it here. Don't give out nonsense if you can't help.
  BTW, Is this the first time we have seen this kind post in SCC? I
  bet it will make the group more politically free. These days Chinese
  man are on hot sale, I just read a post in soc.culture.korea, which
  tells hell of fun by dating chinese guy compare dating Korean guy.  -)
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:12:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1ek5umINN7c5
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

You can check the book "the forgotten war" by Clay Blair from your
local library.
it is an over 1000 page book. it is good and give many details...


Put in this way we (Chinese) kicked the American's butt in the first winter
of the war.

read the book :-)

I love my country, and that is why I hate my goverment....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: DD10 (formerly CEDIT) Chinese word processor
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:05:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have uploaded dd10.zip (previously known as cedit) to cs.pitt.edu.  
To download:

 ftp cs.pitt.edu
 name: anonymous     (anonymous login)
 password: guest
 cd /pub/incoming
 get cedit.doc       (in case of trouble)
 tenex               (if your machine is unix)
 binary              (if your machine is VMS, or PC)
 get dd10.zip        (the program)
 get unzip50.exe     (if you don't have a file called UNZIP.EXE)
 bye

What's new: Added lianxiang, lianxiang words can be added as you editing.
Mouse cursor on hercules card, keyboard input if no mouse.  Postscript
driver for 16x16 and 24x24 fonts (24x24 not in shareware), allow you to
choose 5 different fonts and scale them to any size.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:16:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


 >From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
 >Subject: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists ?
 >Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:13:29 GMT
 > (deleted)
 >After the arguments on CMFN have been carried out for two years and
 >there are many reasons which are anti-CMFN bill, but few of reasons
 >supportting CMFN, if there are some d-fighters who still push for the
 >CMFN bill, do you think that they are democratic activities or political
 >prostitutes ?


                    After a few hours sleep, I began to undersatnd
                    more and more the D-fighters you mentioned.

                    I hope you not too harsh to them.
                    Like you and others, people need food to eat,
                    need money to spend,need house to live in,
                    need ....

                    Your boss supports you,then you needa work for
                    him.  It's simple, isn't it?
                    Same thing happens to them.
                    D- or E- or F-..., at this point, never makes
                    sense.

                    The CG is stubborn enough. Why don't they
                    support demo. abroad and make money home?
                    A few $ support gains n b$ trade.
                    Special interest lobbiests are not enough
                    in Capital Hill. The more,the better.



                    X Xu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:09:22 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: test from china
 <1992Nov16.161306.1@csvaxe.csuohio.edu> <1eagg7INNdv8@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>

In article <1eagg7INNdv8@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
says:
>
>        Deng xiao ping Jr ?      Is this  a joke ?

 Here it is , you may figure out fox's tail. _0)
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