From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Death of America
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:44:47 GMT

cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>i am not a U.S. citizen, but i consider myself more american than many
>US citizens are. i believe in the ideals upon which this country was
>founded. i moved here from canada, where they are further along the
>path to self-destruction than we are. if you want to see where the
>US will be in five years, look north of the border. especially 
>anyome who covets canada's despicable health care system.

Wow!  You really are worked up over this.  Unfortunately, your perspective
is a little off, in my opinion,  and I'd like to know who you are and what
your economic level is to understand your feelings.

Canada and the US, other than being superficially similar, are vastly
different countries, the US is not about to "evolve" into Canada,  The
analogy is pointless, "this orange... that apple".

I believe wha tyou are seeing is the shattering of your dreams, that the US
would be paved in gold etc...  I have lived half of my life in the US, and
half in Canada (alternating, so I've spent about half of my adult life in
each, as well as growing up in both, and I'm American), and the most
immediate thing I can say is that opportunity is about equal, and most of
the people I've found complaining continuously in either country are
terminal whiners.

Canada is a mess, sure, but so is every other country in the world.
Politics are screwy and corrupt, people get jaded to whatever standard of
living they are used to - and fail to appreciate it, people at the top and
the bottom abuse those in the middle, ...  If you really want to, and you
have some native taletn, you have a chance of doing well for yourself.  We
can fight the details of society day and night (it's our duty), but let's
not get carried away and fight the whole concept.  ie:
	Canada's "despicable" healthcare system:
		pro - everyone is covered, single mothers take their kids
		to the doctor because they are sick, not because they can
		afford it, noone loses their house because of cancer, every
		pregnant mother gets full prenatal care...
		con - doctors are paid piece-work - major problem,
		encourages otherwise good physicians to crank out lots of
		work (I say, give the buggers a great salary, based on
		experience, skill and specialization and whatever else
		would make it fair to the doc), waiting for services (I've
		waited equal times in both countries and haven't died yet)

	Us medical system
		pro - top of the line services if you can afford them.
		More heart transplant, gall bladder, triple bypass centers
		than you can shake a stick at.  Generally decent
		availabilty for more than  half of the population (better
		than a haddock in the face, anyway).
		con - one out of four pregnant women get no prenatal care,
		infant mortality is too high, many working couples still
		hesitate to take their kids in, 'cause there's a few
		hundred bucks in deductibles to go through, system
		redundancy (idle transplant centers and overloaded
		emergencey wards...


>canada's taxes, welfare-statism and apathy to government intervention
>is sickening. it is really depressing to come down here and find
>that it is getting worse, especially with that professional liar 
>(that's what he is) now running the country.


Which liar is that?  I have trouble telling them apart.  Do youmean up here
or down there (not that there is all that much difference)?

What you need to do, and what the rest of you North American readers need
to do, is get a little objectivity.  Your right about the apathy, too many
Canadians and Americans are giving up the active role and just complaining
about what other people are actually TRYING.  You're not so hard done by,
it's not the Big Bad Wolves fault, and things can get better.  After you
abandon the States to it's fate, when things there aren't to your liking,
what will you do?  Switzerland has tough immigration laws.

-chris blask



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