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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: Uniform transliteration in the net : Some suggestions
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.204754.11803@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>In article <9208142003.AA28294@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>       Uniform transliteration in the net : Some suggestions
>>     --------------------------------------------------------
>>        Many prolific writers in the net like
>>   K.Srinivasan ( srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca )
>>   Sundara Pandian ( sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu )
>>   Meenan Vishnu ( mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu )
>>    ...............
>>  are currently using the ADAMI transliteration scheme
>
>I think there is something wrong with this statement or
>I don't know the scheme. 

    I have requested Ravi Sinnarajah to repost his article
 introducing ADAMI scheme. I have not saved his earlier
 article. I could also post one short article illustarting
 ADAMI scheme. I am waiting for a reply from Ravi
 Sinnarajah in the net. ( I learned ADAMI only through his
 posting in A.C.T. )
>
>For example: My understanding was
>
>      teerAta vilayAttup piLLai      (is accurate in Adami)
>
>      teerata vilayAddup piLLai      (is this accurate in Adami?)
>
   Your understaning is in error.
   In ADAMI, the above takes the form
     
      theeraatha viLayaattup piLLai 

  ( t and d mean the same in ADAMI, though.)

>And,   M Vishnu uses this notation.

    True.
>
>Anyway, my vote is Yes for a single transliteration scheme.
>As for the scheme itself, I like Adami. Of course, I would
>like to see it reposted (too). And cross-post to ACT please
>(otherwise, I will not be able to save it.)

  I hope Ravi cross-posts in A.C.T. also. If he forgets to
cross-post, then I will save it and post it there.
>
>ittudan Adamiyai maRanduvidumaRu paNivudanum paNbudanum kooRi
>:-)

  Do I see a typing error above ?
  I wish writers could minimize using the :-) symbol for
 smile, when there is nothing to laugh about.

>
>viDai peRum anban,
>Sthan.
>
>p.p.ku: nAngAvadu 'prolific' tamizh valaaignaraha (andap puLLihaLukkup
>padil) naan 'Affable' Ahiya aruNa ennum anbarudaiya peyarait 
>tAzhmaiyudan chamarppikkiREn.

   I just wrote from my memory prolific writers in this net.
 I am not sure whether I will be in the top three. It doesn't
 matter really. `Affable' is a prolific writer, I agree.
 If Sridhar Venkatraman could spare some time to work on a
 prolific posters in S.C.T. ( Like what he posted recently for
 S.C.I. ), this doubt could be resolved.
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                                           sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Please be Accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:14:46 GMT

In <l908k1INNcvu@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:

>	Mr.M.P.Krishna Raj,
>		Let me tell you that my neighbor, who supposedly
>belongs to the backward caste(even though he is a well off
>person,economically) got into guindy, after getting 24/50 in the
>entrance exam and 43% , while my brother with 42/50 in the entrance
>exam and 94% still could not get into any govt college.Are you trying
>to fool people?Please remember that i have lived 17 difficult years
>in Madras ruled by people who use the names of Anna, periyar to
>justify there actions, and there are 2 million fools who beleive them
>and continue to quote them forever.No wonder TN has people who commit
>suicides on silly incidents.

      You are so mad at Tamizhs and call them fools because
they don't line up with your views. 

>	I seriously think that this newsgroup was established not to
>discuss tamil culture, but for things like anti-hindi stuff, brahmin
>bashing etc.The way it works is,
>1) First Meenan Vishnu and( kathiravan krishnamurti)
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Come on my friend you tell me a single mail. Why should
you conclude that I am anti-hindi, ant- whatever. You
prejudice clouds your eyes. Pick a single bashing mail
from me. On the other hand you guys personally attack
every body who likes Periyaar. Just because I sent
a mail praising periyaar, you conclude I am an anti-brahmin.
Your intrinsic hate is pathetic.     
 will post articles
>that glorify brahmin bashing(justified by using what some idiot said
>50 years ago or what happened 50 years ago.)
>2)There will be people like me who will post a rebuttal to that.
>Then immediately people like Sundara pandian will post mail supporting
>Meenan Vishnu and also will make statements like , we should allow
>this newsgroup to have too many flame wars.
>This will be seconded by Mr.Krishna raj after a couple of days.

>let everybody express his own views.
>but yen Mr.Pandian, Meenan vishnuvirku vakkalatthu vangugirar
>enbathuthan periya puthir?
>Intha maathiri mail anuppicha, ADAMI system yen use panna villai endru
>veru oru puhar?
>entha mailukku pandian enna solvar, "Ivan oru veri pudittha
>brahmin.avan ennavena sollattum, enakkenna"?
>ram


Kathiravan.
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Varna & Brahmins
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:41:55 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University


    anparkalE:

       Why do some guys get hyper just by the mention
of periyaar's name. They cannot simply tolerate periyaar
because he did good to the poor, uneducated people
who did not get privileges for centuries. These
guys talk of patriotism. These are the people
used religion and did no work for centuries and
lived on others. Now let them shout at the top
of their voice. Their so called, BG Krishna will
come from wherever and give reservation for them.

Until then, write rama jayam for 1000000 times.

kathiravan

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: Aaaaa....Rambam :- It's kadi time
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:59:12 GMT

In article <2A951F6D.20170@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M.  
Sundaramoorthy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.143734.22010@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
[Gigabyte's kadikal deleted.]

 Good work, Raghavan. Gives a respite from the serious
discussions going on in the net. Expecting more.
> 
> 	I remember a practical school joke. There was a mischievious guy in my 
> [ Sundar's practical joke deleted]
  
   In my class in high school, there were lots of mischievous guys.
In one tamil class, tamil teacher (Mind you,Teacher means female in 
our school. Sir means male.For curious minds, I did my high schooling
in RSAHSS,Chidambaram.Anybody from that school?) told "aii.." when a 
senior sir told something when he was passing on that way. Afterwards 
whenever she turned to blackboard, the  whole class would shout 
"aii....". When she turned towards us, there would be pin-drop silence. 
This continued for the whole year as she couldn't pinpoint particular 
person as the culprit to the headmaster.And this was when we were in eigth 
std.

  Another incident. Whenever a teacher or sir didn't turn up , they
would send a substitute teacher to the class. Mostly substitute
teachers were Craft teachers, PT teachers, Typing/shorthand teacher.
Whenever this typing/shorthand teacher came to our class, we had real
fun as he won't beat anybody and won't complain to head master.
Usually, for roll calling, we would say "present sir". But in this
class there would be lots of "irukkirEn aiya", "kooppittingala aiya"
"vanakkamunga", "ennanga thalaivarE" "ullEn aiya" and one guy who was
about to enter the class told "veliyEn aiya".

Hope you enjoyed 'em.
[ Dai Subbu, Thayuman, Satish,Gaps, Saba,Ramanathan, inji,why don't
you recollect the fun we had in RSAHSS and put in the net?]

Cheers,
Venkat

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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.134023.27704@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>
>In article <Bt9LA1.KLq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar ) writes...
>>thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>I received the following threat from one spineless tiger in the net who does
>>>not have guts to post his view in the net and sent me e-mail
>> 
>> 
>>>==============================================================================
>> 
>>>From:   "LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu" 19-AUG-1992 12:07:34.52
>> 
>>>LTTE will kill all the Brahmins.
>> 
>> 
>>>% ====== Internet headers and postmarks (see DECWRL::GATEWAY.DOC) ======
>>>% Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA07807; Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:07:27 -0700
>>>% Received: from surya.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTPid <AA03464>; Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:07:21 -0400
>>>% Received: from wam.umd.edu by surya.waterloo.edu.bedinet (4.1/SMI-4.1)id AA29998; Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:05:15 EST
>>>% Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:05:00 EST
>>>% From: LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu
>>>% Message-Id: <9208191705.AA29998@surya.waterloo.edu.bedinet>
>>>% Apparently-To: mims::thiyagarajan
>> 
>> 
>>This is simply outrageous. And cause for serious concern. 
>>All right-thinking people should condemn such atrocities.
>> 
>>Has the guy come to waterloo for education or for terrorism?!
>>If such things continue, we must notify the university and the
>>police.
>> 
>>-Sreedhar
>> 
>
>The self-proclaimed commanders of the net like Mr. Sundara Pandian, Mr Krishna
>Raj will not condemn this. They condemn only if you write against Mr Vishnu's
>views. What a double standard?
>
>By the way I notice too many terrorist tigers in waterloo? Is it just a
>coincedence or a qualification to enter?
>
>Whoever this surya is, he is a real coward
>
>RT

The message from ltte@surya.waterloo should be condemned. A final 
warning can be given to ltte@surya.waterloo.edu. If it still 
continues, then the best way is to suspend the id through the
systems administrator  of waterloo. Those who recollect the  
stupid postings of a guy from Norway (a tamilian, tiger Bala ?? ),
his id was cancelled by the systems adminstrator after a complain
was lodged.

Anbudan,

V R Kumar
 
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From: shankar@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shankar Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A Critique of Tamil Cinema (sort of)
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:24:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug13.142551.1518@tamsun.tamu.edu> gopal@tamsun.tamu.edu writes:
>  Yes it is true that the actual name of Randor Guy is indeed Rangadurai. He is
>actually a lawyer by profession and he said that quite a few of the plots for
>his novels came from the cases he encountered.He has also a directed a handful
>of movies and written scripts for a few others. The saturday magazine section
>of the Indian Express(madras edition) used to carry his articles on the old 
>tamil,telugu,malayalam and kannada films of the 30's and 40's.He used to 
>give all the details about the film,its story,and how it was made.
>
>Gopal  
He also writes a regular two page essay in the Madras based mag "Aside"
about Tamil movies. Among his other exploits, he tried to follow up the
case of the murder of LakshmikAnthan, the yellow journalist. He was
also the script writer of the tele serials Nammaippol Oruvan and
Padhinmoondru VirundhALigal.
 
Shankar
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Theme of "vAname ellai"
Keywords: Theme vAname ellai
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:10:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug12.161035.24657
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <thai.713633573@aries> thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan) writes:
>
>While i fully agree with the theme highlighted by aruna, the theme which 
>caught me first in that well-taken movie by balachander is:
>
>Suicide is not the solution for one's frustrations about life and/or society.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>i really don't remember if he says that in words in the movie, although i 
>vaguely remember rajesh saying that to his son's friends in the movie.
>
>anban,
>thayumanavan

Sounds like Balachander is trying hard to make up for what he  did in Ek
Tuje Keliye.  I think this is second in line next to 'Punnagai Mannan".

raghavan
From: rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Silk Smitha (Was: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism))
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:36:20 GMT
Organization: Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
Originator: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu

In article <9098811.A313@netman.nms> rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan) writes:
  ...
  >Following her, an array of Grade B actresses entered the film industry,
  >obviously emulating her style:
  >
  ...
  >    Rexin Radha  and
  ... 

Its not me. That's how *they* spelled it..

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From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A.Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:56:49 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C
Rathinavelu) says:
>
>                 If the admission is based on merit system then I am pretty
>sure that only and only city people (Madras,Coimbatore,Trichy,Madurai etc.
>they have more/most/enough facilities in education industry) will enjoy this
>partial system. One should also give some oppotunity to village and labour
>class people to come up in their life.
>
>
     This is a very good point. The real issue should be the quality of
education provided in schools and how to make it uniform and available
to everyone. What we need is not reservations - but provision of
free and good quality education to all irrespective of their caste, where
they live etc.
>
>
>             Do you think that getting high marks ( as bramins and other
>fc people usually do ) in the subjects/studies means you are 100% fit for
>getting admitted to professional colleges? If it is then that is why our

     This is another important issue in making college admissions free
of bias - getting high marks in schools in certain subjects, does not
automatically qualify you for engg./medicine. What we need is a more
comprehensive assessment of aptitudes and ability to succeed. A very
fine point mentioned by Mr. Rathinavelu.

     Regarding his comments on Indians (or was it brahmins?) failures
to succeed in the US, I do not wish to comment. May be someone with
more statistics can!

Cheers,
Venky


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From: fca00@chennai.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Curious Inquiry!
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:30:57 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <919@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>There was a proposal some time ago to move capital of TN
>from Madras to Thirchy, because Thircy is located at the
>center of the state, as opposed to Madras's location at the
>nothern tip. What happened to such proposal? Just curious.


    We are waiting for Thuqlak to become our chief minister.

    ;-) ;-) ;-)

>
>---Sree


                                                -francis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: tamilnadu pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagangal
Keywords: TPTC,MPTC,CTC,NTC,PTC etc
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:47:55 GMT


Chidamabaram - thanthai periyar pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Chennai      - pallavan pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Karaikudi    - maruthu pandiar pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Madurai      - pAndian pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Tiruchi      - dheeran chinnamalai pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Kovai        - cheran pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Kumbakonam   - chozhan pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Vellore      - pattukkotai azhagiri pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Krishnagiri  - rAni mangammAl pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Nellai       - kattabomman pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Nagercoil    - nEsamani pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
Erode        - jeeva pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagam
  
(1) Have I left something?
(2) What is the connection between Chidambaram and Periyar?
(3) What is the connection between Vellore and pattukkOttai Azhagiri?
(4) Can anybody brief the importance of dheeran chinnamalai,
    rani mangammAl, nEsamani?
  (This may look silly. Really I don't know anything about them)
(5) Eventhough I've heard of maruthu pandiar and jeeva, I'd like
    to know more about them.
(6) Are kamarAj, rAjaji names used for any transport corporations?
    If not, why? And how they are inferior compared to pattukOttai
    azhagiri?

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: What went wrong?
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:42:35 GMT

In article <l9dpfjINN1d6@talitha.usc.edu> sramacha@talitha.usc.edu (Sudarshan  
Ramachandran) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.223025.18975@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu  
(Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug21.180752.5844@ms.uky.edu> aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)  
> >writes:
> >> Is anything wrong?
> >>  ...
> >>
> >> But for a few personal hate mail, by and large posters
> >> have discused issues. Perhaps sometimes repeating the 
> >> same points.  This spate of heated discussion started 
> >> with someone posting a "I HATE TAMILS" post. Such 
> >
> >Yes. This is true. I edited my .newrc file and scanned
> >to find out the thread for caste/reservation/brahminism/
> >periyar started from that posting.
> >
> 
> THANK YOU GUYS!!
> 
> ENLIGHTENMENT !!!!!
 
 Cool down, dude. It was a fact mentioned by us. How would you know
that posting would have caused such an uproar?
> 
> I suddenly realized I had found the root cause of all the problems
> facing humanity: Adam -n- Eve (*). (I didn't have to edit a lengthy file
> for that ;-))

  Sparkling humor. (No, this is not mentioned ironically)
> 
> Some wise soul once remarked, "When you point one finger at someone, note
> that at least three are pointing back at you."

 You can point all the ten fingers at me.
 [ yes, I know three here refers to three different persons' fingers]

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A threat from....
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:23:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug20.202329.10597
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <2A93DBB3.8878@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>
>	What kind of technology you are talking?. The technology in which
>	Abdul Kalam is involved is nothing different from LTTE's kind. 
>	After all his products are going to be used to target Pakistan and
>	terrorise Pakistanis. Any way we have different a name for state
>	terrorism.

Well it is called DEFENSE. And India is justified in doing that keeping in mind
we are in the midst of China and Pakistan.

>
>	Remember, Enrico Fermi's statement on nuclear bomb: "why see the
>	destruction, see the beauty of physics".
>
>	Now Kalam would quote Geetha and become a most respected patriot.

Even if he doesn't quote Gita he is a patriot.

>	
>	Your comparison is not a right one.

So is yours.

>
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: EVR part 5
Originator: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:36:30 GMT


More on EVR from the PhD thesis of Charles Ryerson, "Regionalism and
Religion, The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism".


...The struggle began with a lawer, T.K. Mahadevan, editor of the
newspaper Deshabhimani, who was a low caste Ezhavar.  He found it
difficult to get to hsi office because of the ban against walking
on the streets.  So he organized an agitation.  One of the leaders 
was George Joseph, a christian Congressman from Tamil Nadu.  Periyar
became involved because of his presidency of the Tamil Nadu Congress
Committee.  The Raja of travancore welcomed him when he first arrived on
April 123, 1924.  But after he organised a few meetings, he was thrown
into jail for a month.  The temple was closed by the Rajah.  After
Periyars's release he was asked to return to Tamil Nadu but he refused
to go.  Many women were involved in the struggle, including Periyar's
wife. Some of the Bramin men went naked in front of them to shame 
them.  Meanwhile Gandhi had been consulted by Rajaji and other 
Southern Congress leaders.  Gandhi was upset that some Christians
and Sikhs were involved since he felt this was a purely Hindu affair.

(to be continued ...)

Meenan Vishnu

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