HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: US export restriction for encryption algorithms?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:37:45 GMT

georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) writes:

>Is it correct that there are restrictions for US software companies
>distributing software that contain certain encryption algorithms outside
>the US and Canada?
>Could anyone please present further details.

Yes, it's true.  Anything using the DES encryption algorithm can't be
exported.  Programs like Norton's and PCtools that have programs for
encryption have US and Export versions.  The Export versions either
have another encryption form or the programs are removed.

But the algorithm itself can be sent across borders.  Kinda stupid.

-Mark
--
- Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: US interventionism
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:10:22 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1i5uasINNgp2@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>In article 10615, jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue) says, in part:
>
>
>>I'd always felt that past world wars were started with fairly small,
>>regional conflicts, but grew out of control before they ended.
>
>I wouldn't call the German-British rivalry of WWI a regional conflict, nor
>would I apply that term to the German and Japanese actions that initiated
>WWII.  Both world wars in this century were manifestations of large-scale
>imperialist ambitions.
>
>>I think that "nipping it in the bud" has probably saved lives in the long
>>run in conflicts like Granada, Nicaragua & Kuwait.  Somalia is hardly
>>comparable to our intervention in those conflicts as it's mainly to ensure
>>the delivery of food - ie save lives!  This is why we act under
>>the auspices of the U.N., so the US isn't the only country held 
>>accountable for what happens in the world.  We just happen to be the
>>one country in the position to do anything about it.
>
>Some lives MAY have been saved, but whose?  And at what cost?  We may have
>different values, you and I; I would not assume that all human life is
>equally valuable, nor would I presume to say that the deaths of thousands
>of Iraqi children by malnutrition or disease are justified in order to
>preserve the hegemony of the Kuwaiti royal family.
>
>Neither do I think that we are, or should be, responsible for the security
>of the rest of the world.  In my most humble opinion, the rest of the world's
>purported inability to solve its problems results from a lack of interest in
>doing so.  We are NOT the only ones in a position to do anything; we are the
>only ones foolish enough to stick our necks out.

It is statements like this that almost make me stand up and call
for a new world order (heaven forbid).  Are national boundaries
so absolute, and are human values so different that we as a nation
are forever prohibited from taking action to help the people of
another nation?  I am not suggesting that our attempts to do this
are always done right or that they don't often mess things up
more than they help.  But to treat our existence as a nation as 
if we were living in a vacuum is, to say the least, non-human.
The existence of other human beings in the world -- bound up 
as it is with the existence of other nations -- is inextricable
from our own human existence, and the interconnections include not
only economic and military but also moral considerations as
well.

However, I agree, most of our interventions in recent years and decades
would probably better have been omitted.  Yet how can you look at
the conditions in Somalia and just pontificate away about the relative
value of human life?  Because we botched the job in Iraq and propped
up the Kuwaiti royal family, must we now just leave the people of
Somalia to their own fate?

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Info on Inauguration
Keywords: Presidential inauguration 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:13:31 GMT


Hi,

 Does anyone know the program for the ceremony
in Washington on the 20th of January, or know
how to get information about it.

 I'm tempted to drive up and take a look myself,
just for curiosity.

 Thanks in advance for any help, my address is

mb2p@virginia.edu

 Maybe as an exchange I will provide you all with
my reportage afterwards.


Marco
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From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive] Clinton Off
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:53:17 GMT

In article 3355@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
>In article <1iab94INNsdv@armory.centerline.com> mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben) writes:
>
>collage in the early 60's, could earn enough to send himself to collage
>course was going to be ballanced by a concommitant increase in assistance to
>Dudes, these collages operate on Supply and Demand just like anybody else.
>education, and hence the collage charges more for it, and because there are
>more people wanting to go to collage than there are places for them, the
>collage can get away with it.
>It sounds really good to give poor people assistance to go to collage, and
>everybody a chance to go to collage" is being perverted into just the opposite.
>

Does Purdue teach remedial English?


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Regards,

Hugh.
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:45:16 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1993Jan6.193854.24496@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>}Los Angeles (under construction)
>
>Probably will open partially by the year 2010, if construction goes
>swimmingly well.

Actually, the first segment of the Red Line (heavy rail subway) is
essentially complete, and is supposed to open within the next few
months -- possibly by the end of January.  (This segment goes from
Union Station to Alvarado Street.)  My parents rode a test car
on this line a few months ago.  Construction of the second segment
started about a year ago, and the whole line is expected to be finished
by the turn of the century.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.indian
Subject: "Religion of math" (was Why is Yoga considered an occult practise?)
Followup-To: sci.math
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:37:14 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan3.210347.20759@ariel.ec.usf.edu> mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm) writes:
->[...] any more than I believe that 
->mathematics should be restricted to Platonists (yes, Virginia, 
->there is indeed an Official Mathematics Religion over 2000 yrs old).

I always thought that the official religion of mathematicians was
Formalism. That is the religion practised by the undergraduates as well. :-)



-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
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From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: US interventionism
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:24:31 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1ifrrmINNsqi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>In article 10707, crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
>writes:
>
>>We killed about 100,000 of the Iraqi military.  These people
>>were massed on
>>the Saudi border, armed and prepared to invade, seize property,
>>and maim and
>>kill innocent Saudis.  They were already doing that in Kuwait. 
>>By what
>>stretch do you consider these to be "innocent" people?
>
>Those aren't the people I'm talking about, William.  Perhaps it
>escaped your notice that many more people were killed who were
>not wearing uniforms and who had no interest whatsoever in the
>U.S. - Iraqi conflict.  The people I'm referring to were by and
>large too young to care: there's a virtual demographic hole in
>Iraq's population because so many children died through
>starvation and the diseases that followed your destruction of the
>country's infrastructure.  Many other innocent people of all ages
>were killed outright in the bombing and in ground operations. 
>These casualties have been well reported in the aftermath of the
>war; they are a matter of record, although the final toll is not
>yet known because the effects of your actions have not yet ceased
>to be felt.
>

I detect a double standard here.  You are holding me responsible for the actions of
my government during the war (a responibility I am willing to accept, BTW), but you
hold the Iraqi people "innocent" for the actions of their government.  Now, I'll
admit that Sadam Hussein is a dictator, but the recent examples of Rumania, The
Soviet Union, East Germany, Poland, etc.  show that even a dictator can not rule
without the support of the people.  These "innocent" Iraqis supported Hussein when
he invaded Kuwait and they were willing to accept the fruits of victory. I do not
consider them to be "innocent" victims of US aggression.



===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

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"Above all, as the keynote of all Democratic policy, in passing upon any
 question, let the controlling aim and ambition be to keep the road open for
 private enterprise and personal initiative."

             John W. Davis - Democratic candidate for President - 1924

===============================================================================
"I do not want to live under a philanthropy.  I do not want to be taken care
 of by the government.... We do not want a benevolent government.  We want a
 free and a just government."

             Woodrow Wilson  

===============================================================================
From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: e-mail address for Bloomsburg University (Department of English)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:46:43 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

a friend at the above assured me in his Christmas letter that he
would be on internet at the beginning of the semester. he asked
for my internet address, so I thought I would surprise him...

thanks, Eric
   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
 _| ~-. Eric Barber, BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, England CM17 9NA
 \, *_} AT&T/BT/etc. +44 279 403527/429531 x 3527, ESN (NT/BNR) 6 742 3527
   \(   DISCLAIMER:  Working at, not speaking for, BNR  | Eric.Barber@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:19:15 GMT

In article 7Cv@world.std.com, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:
>In <jyc.726450739@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>
>>thing I noticed when I got on the London Underground was that, unlike
>>any U.S. subway, the destitute, the drunk, the dangerous, and the
>>clinically insane seemed to form only a very small minority of the
>>passengers.    
>But you have to remember to "mind the gap". At least in Boston the cars
>reach the platform.
>73 Eric eac@world.std.com
>


Only at Bank Station, and that's because the platform is curved. Being
shouted at by a Dalek is slightly disconcerting.
(for those who've never been there, there's an automatic
public address announcement saying "Mind the gap", which sounds like a cross
between a Dalek and Jeeves.)
---


Regards,

Hugh.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: ASSASSINATION (sp?)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 18:47:36 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:50:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.162040.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> ,
s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>     Throughout  the last year and a half, I have wondered why Saddam
Hussein 
>is still in power in Iraq.  It would have been easy to destroy him and set

>up a puppet government.  The answer to this questiopn goes deeper, I think,
>than a lot of people realize.  During the Carter administration, there
>was CIA pressure on the government to implement a plan of assassination 
>against Fidel Castro.  Out of this turmoil and government in fighting
>came a little known about law which states that it is illegal for any
>citizen of the USA to assassinate, plan to assassinate or encourage the 
>assassination of the leader of a country.  It is my feeling that this is the 
>reason that the US government did not actively seek to destroy the leader
>of Iraq.  Saddam is a maniac, but he is clever and I am sure that he knew about
>this law.  

Your theory does not take into account the fact that we (the USA) could have
completely toppled Sadams government during the Gulf War.  You are right that
the answer to the question goes much deeper, but you are digging in the wrong
hole.  Try digging in the area of not letting Iran being the hegemon in the
Gulf area.  

>     I say that the Western nations should give Israel the go ahead to 
>do what they want to this guy.  With those damn crazy Israeli secret service
>guys on his tail, Saddam would be out of the picture in a month.
>

I say not.  We should not encourage Israeli aggression.  That area of the world
has been at war for too long.  Encouraging Israeli aggression will do nothing
to stop it.

>                                     John

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: GULF WAR PACIFISTS MAKE ME SICK!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:56:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.173058.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>    I am sickened by the people who continually say that the war in the gulf 
>was unecessary and a throwback to the Vietnam era.  You speak from ignorance 
>when you say that it was a localized issue that the U.S. never should have 
>gotten involved in.  Don't you know that Iraq, a nation that is headed by
>a maniac and is inhabited by a large number of fanatics, was in within striking
>distance of capturing over 80 percent of the world's oil supply.  God, they
>could have destroyed our economy without even firing a shot.  You people sit 
>in the warm classrooms and houses, you drive your cars everywhere you want to
>go and you have the gall to say that oil is not worth fighting for.  WAKE UP.

Just an observation:

Do you realize that using the same logic any very poor country
should declare war to the U.S. just because they are controlling
most of the important resources of the world, not to mention the
technology?

Who is the maniac is subjective, the problem should be formulated
in terms of international law. That is what Bush tried to do at his
best.

Don't get me wrong, my personal opinion is that on January 15th
the war was necessary. The angreness comes from the fact that 
many western countries have huge responsabilities in creating
that situation. Moreover I did't see any clear change that would
show that we actually learned something from this war.

[..]
>     I am a Canadian.  Our nation sent a squadron of the most modern fighter
>aircraft.  It was a token force at best but I am glad and proud that my nation
>served in such a noble cause none the less.  I am happy for and poud of 
>my American neighbours for the speed and decisive manner in which they 
>eliminated a world threat.  I hope that it never happens again.
>
>                                                  John

That's the point. To hope that it never happens again is not enough.


Marco

| "America doesn't exist. I know it because I lived there."|
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: ASSASSINATION (sp?)
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:20:40 GMT

     Throughout  the last year and a half, I have wondered why Saddam Hussein 
is still in power in Iraq.  It would have been easy to destroy him and set 
up a puppet government.  The answer to this questiopn goes deeper, I think,
than a lot of people realize.  During the Carter administration, there
was CIA pressure on the government to implement a plan of assassination 
against Fidel Castro.  Out of this turmoil and government in fighting
came a little known about law which states that it is illegal for any
citizen of the USA to assassinate, plan to assassinate or encourage the 
assassination of the leader of a country.  It is my feeling that this is the 
reason that the US government did not actively seek to destroy the leader
of Iraq.  Saddam is a maniac, but he is clever and I am sure that he knew about
this law.  
     There is, possibly, another reason why the US government did not try to
take the life of the Iraqui leader.  Who would have replaced him.  There is a 
distinct possibility that another, more maniacal leader would have replaced 
him in the time of conflict.  This is not something new.  It has been 
rumoured that the US stopped several assassination attempts on Hitler 
during WWII because the though of someone like Romel taking control
scared the pants off of everyone in the free world.
     I say that the Western nations should give Israel the go ahead to 
do what they want to this guy.  With those damn crazy Israeli secret service
guys on his tail, Saddam would be out of the picture in a month.

                                     John

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:29:30 GMT

In <1993Jan6.134232.84379@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.183145.18587@spider.co.uk>, michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael
>S. A. Robb) writes:
>>
>>Having watched a couple of films with scenes located in New York's
>>subway, some friends and I wondered whether any other cities in the
>>USA also had subways, and whether they were given such a bad image
>>as New York's. Any information which would bring enlightenment would
>>be welcome.
>>
>>-- Michael
>>--
>>| Michael S. A. Robb     | Tel: +44 31 554 9424  | "..The problem with bolt-on
>>| Software Engineer      | Fax: +44 31 554 0649  |  software is making sure the
>>| Spider Systems Limited | E-mail:               |  bolts are the right size.."
>>| Edinburgh, EH6 5NG     | michaelr@spider.co.uk |             - Anonymous
>>
>New York's is probably the oldest or close to it.  Other US cities have
>subways.  The only one I'm familiar with the DC metro.  In contrast to NY,
>it's clean and a lot safer and very easy to use.
>-- 
Agreed, also Boston has a subway system, made rather famous in a folk
song some years back (Kingston Trio?). San Fransico has a very modern
system the BART or Bay Area Rapid Transit. Actually, the present
director of the Washington Metro once directed the New York system and
was supposed to have cleaned it up quite a bit. The New York system was
really 2 - 4 private systems at one time, I believe. Wonder just how
well it ran then?

>------------------------
>|   Gail A. Fullman    |
>|   Manager - ADMO     |
>|   Ext. 83113         |
>------------------------

Bob.


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From: prh2s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Patrick Ray Harrison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Why is Yoga considered an occult practice?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:53:15 GMT
Followup-To: <1if5pnINNf2u@tamsun.tamu.edu><1993Jan3.210347.20759
	@ariel.ec.usf.edu>etc.
Organization: University of Virginia

Without the first two yoganga, or "steps," of most classical yogic
disciplines, it is hard to see how yoga could be considered in any
way cultic or religious.  All the western appropriations of yoga
(so far as I am aware) pass over yama and niyama, these initial
yoganga.  Yama involves a set of five resolutions:  nonmaterialism,
chastity, truthfulness, nonviolence, and refusal of gifts
(or more broadly, "nonmaterialism").  Niyama likewise involves
five resolutions:  cleanliness, contentment, mindfulness, study
(of the teachings and exercises of yoga), and devotion to the
deity or to some manifestation of the deity (e.g., one's guru).
Yama and niyama establish the spiritual foundation of the yogi;
subsequent yoganga involve controlling physical and psychological
processes.

Patanjali, the author/editor of the Yoga-Sutras (a collection of
teachings on yogic practice, which he compiled sometime in the
early centuries CE, but are doubtless much older), regarded yama
and niyama as the bedrock of yoga, the *sine qua non*, and this is
still the belief of most of the classical yogic schools today.  For
Westerners in general, however, yoga only involves the later
yoganga, which, divorced from the first two, have little spiritual
basis or religious significance.  Western yoga (if I can call it that) 
is really just a collection of physical and psychological exercises;
hence one more accustomed to the classical tradition might well view
western yogis as mere dilettantes, while a westerner might appreciate
yoga for the excellent exercise and mental relaxation some of its
practicies afford.

In short, yoga as it is usually practiced by westerners is secular,
not cultic or religious.  It is simply a form of exercise and "stress
management."  A man may kneel in church, and he may kneel while putting
down a new floor in his house--physiologically the same act, but
spiritually quite different.  The same may be said for yogic exercises
without yogic spirituality.

Patrick Harrison 
prh2s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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