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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Majors Visit to Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:31:21 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.214535.26157@cs.hw.ac.uk>, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes...
>In article <25793@castle.ed.ac.uk> emct46@castle.ed.ac.uk (J H Dempsey) writes:
>>
>>
>>After the recent general election and the rejection of the policys of
>>the conservatives by 75% of Scottish voters the government said they
>>would be taking stock and seeking a solution to the current
>>constitutional (if we had a constitution that is)problems (nice speak   
>>for the imposition of outdated
> 
>One thing about non-tory politicians that really annoy me is they claim that
>75% of Scotland voted for devolution/independance. This is utter bullshit.
>75% of the population voted for parties which have as part of their agenda
>proposals for political change.
> 
>If people cared soley about political change they would have voted for the
>one-thread political party - The SNP. As they got around 15%, 10% less than

Who got around 15%? The SNP got around 25%.

>the increased Tory vote, people generally in Scotland don't give 2 hoots
>about independance. It is only in the public eye because mile-wide gob
>people like Jim Sillars constantly appear on TV (for some reason).
> 

You said it yourself. The SNP is a "one-thread political party".
That thread is independence, and 1 in 4 votes cast were for the SNP.
Therefore, 1 in 4 Scots want independence. However, the actual proportion
is even higher than that as Labour, LibDems and Tory have more than
one policy, and so people who want independence might be more attracted
by the other policies of those parties and so don't vote SNP

Maybe that's why the SNP is on the TV?

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From: rjms@scripps.edu (Russell Mortishire-Smith)
Subject: Re: U.S./British school grades, was Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:00:51 GMT

>>Except that a significant number of those students are from overseas,
>>up to 20 or 30 % is my guess.
>
>>Russell
>>--
>>rjms@scripps.edu   |If at first you don't succeed,
>>		   |so much for skydiving.
>
>
>The U.S. figure would also include a significant number of students who are
>older than average.  Anyone can go to university at any time here, which I
>believe is not the case in the UK. I, for example, am 31 and will receive my
>BA next May. I currently live in a residence hall for graduate and "adult" 
>(i.e. over 25 yrs old) students and there are people in here far older than
>I. One is in her 70's!
>

Although less common, it is still true that one can attend British
universities at any time of life. The government is prepared to pay
fees for at least a first degree, and maintenance grants are applied
for in the same way as after leaving school. There is also an
acceptance that attending college is harder on the pocket
once one has worked for a while "outside", consequently the gratns
are larger for "mature" students.My apartment neighbour at Leeds
Uni. was a coal miner, age ca. 35, returning to do a degree in
mining after the govt. shut all the pits down! And my brother is 
off to do a degree in elec. eng. after five years in industry.
Industrial experience is also frequently accepted in lieu of a
formal academic qualification ( A Level ).

Russell
--
rjms@scripps.edu   |If at first you don't succeed,
		   |so much for skydiving.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Cricket news, raised by  VNS: Tue  8-Sep-1992
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:28:08 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep8.091623.17894@rdg.dec.com>, evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
> 
><><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>
> 
> CRICKET
> =========================
>   Three of the rebel tourists, now allowed back to the international fold
>   following the recent ICC pardon, are included in the England tour party for
>   this winters visit to India. The party is: Gooch, Stewart, Blakey, Gatting,
>   Smith, Atherton, Hick, Fairbrother, Lewis, Taylor, Jarvis, Embury, Tufnell, 
>   Reid, Malcolm, DeFreitas
> 
Ted Dexter, chairman of selectors, said that the selection was made solely on
the bases of experience and form, which is why Hick is in and Gower is not. He
also said that Gower (36) is getting too old to play for England, which is why
Gooch (39), Gatting (36) and Embury (40) are all in the tour party.

Hisssss......
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
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From: ssmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Sebastian Smith)
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:45:05 GMT

In article <SES.92Sep8122214@cmns-sun.think.com> ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:
>
>Of course, the rumour is going around that Cameron was completely innocent,
>and was set up to take a fall by Kate because he was getting too close to 
>discovering her secret heroin smuggling operations. Reports that he fled are
>innacurate - he never made it out of Ambridge. 
>  Rumours are also circulating that an agent from the American DEA is operating
>in Ambridge, using an intercepted letter as a cover, and that a crack video
>surveilance team is operating in the area.
>

:) - but can someone explain what actually happened about Kate? I couldn't
hear the last 3 weeks, and I wonder what she's done - also how this American
came into Ambridge so conveniently after Kate had discovered his letters
in Peggy's old cottage. Or is it more than a coincidence?

Any updates welcome.

Seb

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From: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Tanstaafl (was:Americanising of the UK
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.022322.2102@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>, dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:
>In article <1992Sep09.081125.15198@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>[...]
>>In the early 80s (Ronald Reagan, Maggie Thatcher, Anal Retentiveness, 
>>Radioactive Megadeath etc) Milton Freidman, a pseudoeconomist who didn't
>>beleive that economics has feedback loops in it, it's just 'individuals and
>>their choice', pretended he invented TANSTAAFL. He nicked it.
>
>I always understood (probably I have Alastair Cooke to blame for this)
>that H.L Mencken originated the phrase.
>
>Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
>
For what it's worth, TANSTAAFL is used in Heinlein's "The Moon is a 
Harsh Mistress." Therefore, anyone who claims to have invented the 
word had better show that it predated the publication of this book
(I read it in the mid-60's & don't have it on hand to check the 
copyright)
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Slang
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:43:19 GMT
	<12SEP199217480222@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov's message of 12 Sep 92 23:48:00 GMT

In article <12SEP199217480222@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

   In fairness it must be said that "gobsmacked" is not truly British slang,
   but was invented by Murdoch's appalling SUN newspaper 

No, wrong.  It's been around for years & years; the Sun presumably just
popularised Northern slang in the South.

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	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
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From: tls@brspva.enet.dec.com (Tim Short)
Subject: Re: What is a 2.1 equivalent to ?
Reply-To: tls@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Organization: Superconducting Supercollider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:33:59 GMT

In article <BuM8u5.I6M@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk
(A.T. Fear) writes:
|>Path: dscomsa.desy.de!dxcern!mcsun!uknet!keele!news
|>From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
|>Subject: Re: What is a 2.1 equivalent to ?
|>Message-ID: <BuM8u5.I6M@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>
|>Date: 15 Sep 92 10:51:40 GMT
|>References: <1992Sep15.084054.24619@dscomsf.desy.de>
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|>From article <1992Sep15.084054.24619@dscomsf.desy.de>, by
|>tls@brspva.enet.dec.com (Tim Short):
|>
|>> What the hell is the University of Hertfordshire?
|>
|>Search me guv, since we've started the yar boo sucks approach I'll
|>venture to say it's a poly in disguise.
|>
|>> I know lots of people who went to Keele. since it's in a big field
|>miles from anywhere with ~equal
|>> mix of gender, they spent all their time shagging.
|>
|>God what am I missing out on. I can assure you that the SCR isn't
|>like
|>this at all, we're a bastion of Victorian morality. I obviously
|>socialise in the wrong places.
|>
|>Andy
|>

Try the KRA...
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: This England
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:10:38 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <18mobtINN731@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>There is a friendly argument that I would like help with.  There
>is a poem which United Airlines is currently using in its ads
>that is from a poem and I don't remember the poem or author.  It
>has the phrase "this sceptered isle, this England".  I think it
>was Spencer or Milton, my daughter says Churchill quoting
>Shakespeare.  Anyone know for sure.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Evelyn
>-- 

It is Shakespeare: Richard II, Act 2, scene 1, line 40. If anyone
cares to post it, please do. 

Paul
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: buying peerage
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:07:26 GMT
	<1992Sep6.181508.12694@dscomsf.desy.de>
	<5437@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU's message of 8 Sep 92 14:48:40 GMT

In article <5437@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:

   The Lords can delay legislation for up to a year. Financial legislation they
   cannot touch at all.

   Hardly a veto, I venture to suggest.

This is my vague memory of what happened a few years ago:

The Lords "veto" was important when the Tory government opposed a certain
measure but the Commons passed it anyway, helped by back-bench "rebels" from
the Tory party.  A significant number of Tory Lords looked likely to support
it as well, so the government woke up hundreds of clueless hereditary Lords
who never normally make it near Parliament, and told them to vote against the
bill, and it failed.

Can't for the life of me remember what the bill was though.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: This England
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:55:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
>In article <1992Sep11.091611.11680@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick
>Taylor) writes:
>>
>>"Be England what she will, with all her faults, she is my country still"
>>
>
>That sounds just like "My country - right or wrong" .
>
>
>Who said that - did anyone?
>
>

Don't know, but G.K.Chesterton replied with

"To say 'My country right or wrong" is like saying "My mother,
drunk or sober'".

Matthew Huntbach
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From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:41:57 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

-> In article <BuIsrI.6GE@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
-> > 
-> > here's the question
-> >   Are the foreign born children of British citizens resident abroad
-> >   entitled to British citizenship?
-> > 
-> > Or are they doomed forever to be without UK citizenship :-)
-> 
-> The law allows the children - and grandchildren - of UK citizens to have UK
-> Passports and be full citizens.

Not necessarily.

Foreign-born "bastard" children of a British father and a foreign
mother are not entitled to citizenship, even when paternity is not at
question.

If this has changed in the last three months, someone please let me
know....

Dunno about the same kind of kid born to a British mother and a
foreign father.

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Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
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From: nishiyam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (NISHIYAMA  KOHTARO)
Subject: Pardon my ignorance.
Summary: What are the states with in the British Kingdom?
Keywords: states within a nation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:32:02 GMT


Hello.  My name is Kohtaro.

I would like to learn how many states there are in Great Britain.
You might not even call them states, but I mean those places such as
England, Scotland, etc.  Do you call them states?

I just started to learn the British Political System in school, and I
just became curious about how many states constitute the Kingdom of Great
Britain.  You also have "states" outside Europe.  Is this correct?

Please answer my question when you have nothing else to do.


Kohtaro Nishiyama
The University of Colorado at Boulder
International Affairs Major
Where there is a will, there will be an accomplishment.
Where there is a hope, there will be a future.
Everything is thought in mind at first, and then becomes reality.
  
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: The LSE
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:17:23 GMT

I hope the Japanese hotel get the site.

Getting rid of the LSE to restore city hall would be impossible. Getting rid of
a tawdry Japanese hotel no problem.

That site is reserved for democracy in London.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth)
Subject: Re: Gordon Bennett! Re: No smegma please, we're American
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:31:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep8.170840.22969@gateway.novell.com> terry@thisbe.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.215537.29274@macc.wisc.edu> husted@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jack) writes:
>>In what other dictionary of its size and relative low cost can
>>you find the proper term of address for the married daughter
>>of a marquess/marquis? (ref. 1965 edition)
>
>All right.  Give.  What is the proper term of address?
>

Is it _Margrave_?
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Classic-FM (was: VNS: Mon  7-Sep-1992)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:40:09 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <25707@castle.ed.ac.uk>, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
> Does anyone know why TV chef Michael Barry is involved with Classic FM under
> the name of Michael SomethingBeginningWithBThatICantRemember?
> 
> What *is* his name, and why can't he stick to just one?
> 
Apparently he's Michael Bukht in real life, only adopting a nice English name
for his appearances as a cuddly television chef.

My theory is that he doesn't want his viewers to know that he is responsible
for what passes as programming on Classic FM.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: sm@cel.co.uk (salim mehta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Revolution in t'UK?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:08:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Crosfield Electronics Ltd.
In-reply-to: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk's message of 4 Sep 92 13:12:55 GMT

In article <prestonm.715612375@cs.man.ac.uk> prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston (Research Student)) wrote:
} In <Sep02.205610.67292@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:
} 
}>THEN I open the Grauniad, to find that Steve Bell & If... is still 
}>missing.  Is he dead, on ANOTHER holiday, working for the Sun or
}>taking a sabatical a la  G. Trudeau??   Please advise soonest.
} 
}> Yes its worrying isn't it. He's done a couple of large panels for the main
} Grauniad section but no "If.." for a bit (though the cuddly bunnies made up
} for the gap).
} 
} Maybe we ought to start a petition to get rid of If..'s crap replacement.
} Am i the only person to find it desperately unfunny?

The question to ask is: Does *anyone* find it amusing? Then again Steve Bell
is a hard act to follow.

Anyone remember Varoomshka? I have a hardback Varoomshka annual that's still
funny. The cartoon looks very sexist ofcourse, but it must be 12-15 yrs old.

Are there any other satirical cartoonists around these days?

} Martin

Ciao,
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: More British economy stuff (Re: VNS: Thu 10-Sep-92)
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:46:58 GMT
	<Sep10.221411.12213@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu's message of 10 Sep 92 22:14:11 GMT

In article <Sep10.221411.12213@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:

   How come the german economy is so strong so soon after reunification 
   and absorption of ex-East Germany??

It's not.  The Bundesbank has raised German interest rates to keep German
inflation down; since interest rates in other countries are under more direct
political control, they're not raising their interest rates so their currency
is plunging through the floor.
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From: lord@hemlock.cray.com (Steve Lord)
Subject: Re: Duty on goods brought into the UK
Originator: lord@hemlock
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: soc
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:30:37 CDT


In article <15SEP199212354454@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> In article <NICKH.92Sep15110806@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)            writes...
> >Anyone had any experience paying duty on possessions taken into the UK
> >after some time abroad? I'm here in the US for another year now, and
> >am thinking about buying various items (a computer etc), taking
> >advantage of the prices here. I think there are rules covering
> >`items essential to livelihood' or some such, which would cover a
> >computer for me, but I'm not sure....
> > 
> >Replies by email please.
> > 
> >Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
> 
> 
> 
> If you've arrived from outside the EC you must have owned goods, and used them
> for one year or more in order to get exemption from duty and VAT. Special
> rules for cars, but essentially the same.  Phone the local British Embassy
> and get a leaflet - then read it carefully.  It's not a problem, never has
> been for me anyway.
> 
> laurence
> 


I just read a taxation guide for people living abroad published by a big
accountancy firm, so I assume this info is correct :-). Yes, if you own the
goods for a year before taking them back to UK you don't pay duty, you are
also not supposed to sell the items for at least another year after you get
back. Quite how they check up on that I don't know, but these are Customs
and Excise (the VAT man), and I think the onus is on you to prove you don't
have to pay rather than on them to prove that you do.

Steve Lord
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From: ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.155150.993@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave
Jones) writes...
>In article <1992Aug28.182604.23445@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>
baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>In article <FLD7PB1w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
writes:
>>>perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:
>While we're on the subject: from time to time UK TV has to come up
>with realistic sounding pseudo-swearing to lend proper colour to various
>kinds of entertainment, usually comedy.  Examples include "piggin'" (The
>Dustbinmen, an everyday story of trash collection), and "naff" (Porridge,
>the lighter side of prison life).  "Naff" is now in the language (even
>Princess Di uses it).  Any other examples?

Doesn't Ace say "naff" every now and then?

Then there's Larry Niven's creation, "tanj" (There Ain't No Justice), and 
"tanstaafl" (There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch") whose origin I don't know.
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Slang
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:04:58 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <92255.193525TAS137@psuvm.psu.edu>, by TAS137@psuvm.psu.edu:
> Can someone please explain to me what 'GOBSMACKED' means?
> thank you

Having the feeling of having been smacked in the gob, easy really

Andy
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