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From: jack@cscdec.cs.com (Jack Hudler)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: Devguide 3.0 and DND
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:28:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas, Texas.

In article <BUZZ.92Aug26074602@toxicavenger.bear.com> buzz@fsrg.bear.com writes:
>The drag 'n' drop (DND) examples that are provided with the openwin
>distribution (/usr/openwin/share/src/examples/xview/dnd) are a nightmare.  
>I stopped playing with Atoms two development environments ago.  Devguide
>3.0, however, appears to have wrapped up a lot of the DND noise via a suite
>of gdd_* functions.
>
>We don't have Devguide 3.0 docs.  :-(
>
>Does anyone have _any_ sort of Devguide 3.0 DND example that they'd care to
>share with us?

I was just the opposite, I used the dnd examples and threw out the gdd stuff.
I was having trouble finding good examples of gdd and I have Devguide 3.0.
This has been a while back though.

-- 
Jack Hudler - Computer Support Corporation - Dallas,Texas - jack@cs.com
From: buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: Repaint Problem
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:36:08 GMT
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.
In-reply-to: paulA@minster.york.ac.uk's message of 2 Sep 92 20:33:57 GMT

Set CANVAS_RETAINED to FALSE and see if that helps.  Also, make sure
that any interposition functions that may exist aren't eating your
WIN_RESIZE event.  

Are you sure that the canvas is in fact resizing?  Resizing the frame
does not necessarily mean that the canvas will be resized.  You may want
to set these attributes:
		XV_WIDTH, WIN_EXTEND_TO_EDGE
		XV_HEIGHT, WIN_EXTEND_TO_EDGE
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: XView obsolete in future??
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:42:35 GMT

In article <etxkrjg.715537348@solsta-c> etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se (Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL) writes:
>
>I have heard rumors of Sun making XView obsolete in the favour of
>OLIT!
>
>Is there any trouth in this??
>

no doubt it will become obsolete but hopefully not by OLIT.
hasnt anyone realized that C is a wholly inappropriate language
to do user interface in?

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: kak@durante.att.com (Kurt Kanaskie)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: XView Translations
Keywords: XView, Translations
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:21:36 GMT
Organization: Bell Laboratories

I have been trying to find the definitions of the translations for
XView's text editor, with little luck. I found some stuff using
answerbook under the SunView section. From a recent posting I 
found key bindings in:
	X11src/contrib/lib/xview3/lib/libxview/server/svr_kmdata.h

Is there any user level documentation regarding XView translations?
 
I would like to customize my translations to add a join line operation.
This is easy in most toolkits, its simply "end of line" and
"delete next char" operations bound to a keystroke.
 
For example:
 
TextObject*Translations: Ctrl <Key>M: end_of_line() delete_next_character()
 
Can this sort of thing be done in XView?
 
___________________________________________________________________
 
Kurt Kanaskie                           AT&T Bell Laboratories
kak@alux5.att.com                       Computer Aided Design Lab
(215) 770-3096                          Allentown PA
 
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: whiteley@snake.UUCP (James Whiteley)
Subject: Negative numbers on sliders??
Keywords: sliders
Organization: Genasys UK Ltd.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:56:19 GMT

  I am trying to allow the user a zoom in effect using sliders.  However, when i set the
PANEL_MIN_VALUE to a negative number it does not work to a degree.  It will not crash when
run, but will instead return an unusually long float(always same one).  The positive "side"
of the slider works fine.  The slider looks like this:

    -15 ==========---------- 15
                0
Any value above or equal to zero will work. However, like I said, below zero does not.

Any help or related infomation will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

P.S.  Are there any good XView programming guides, manuals, etc. that anyone would suggest??

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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview,comp.windows.open-look
From: doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr)
Subject: Re: XView "Bold" Font?
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:03:21 GMT

In article <25893@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jschamba@na35.lbl.gov (Jo Schambach) writes:
|> When I invoke an XView application with the command line argument "-fn", I can
|> change the font used for normal text in PANELs. What do I need to use to change
|> the "bold" style text in PANEL items? And what is the corresponding resource?
|> 

You can xv_set PANEL_LABEL_BOLD for at least some panel items, and
try setting XV_FONT to a bold font for anything that doesn't like
PANEL_LABEL_BOLD.  I've used the former, not the latter...

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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: fenild@optimism.qualix (Fenil Desai)
Subject: Window keeps flashing using X11R5
Reply-To: fenild@optimism.qualix
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:50:30 GMT


Hi netters,

I have a Xview application program that runs fine under X11R4
but in X11R5 one of the windows keeps flashing continuously.


Does any one out there know what the problem could be ?


Please post on the group or reply by e-mail to me.


-fenil
From: buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Server side vs. Client side images
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:48:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.

In my earlier X11 days, I used to create images on a window by creating a
pixmap (using XCreateBitmapFromData) and then calling XCopyArea() to move
the pixmap into the desired location on the window.  

Question: Is the returned Pixmap id a handle to a server-side resource or
a client-side resource?  Xview examples seem to make heavy use of 
SERVER_IMAGE objects, e.g.:

    s_image = (Server_image) xv_create(NULL, SERVER_IMAGE,
	        XV_WIDTH,               my_image_width,
	        XV_HEIGHT,              my_image_height,
        	SERVER_IMAGE_BITS,      my_image_bits,
	        NULL);

from which I can extract the pixmap:

    pixmap = (Pixmap)xv_get(s_image, SERVER_IMAGE_PIXMAP, NULL);

for use in XCopyData(), but am I storing an image server-side only to pull
it back to the client, which will send it *back* to the server via
XCopyData()?

:-(
From: buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Devguide 3.0 and DND
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@fsrg.bear.com
Distribution: alt
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.

The drag 'n' drop (DND) examples that are provided with the openwin
distribution (/usr/openwin/share/src/examples/xview/dnd) are a nightmare.  
I stopped playing with Atoms two development environments ago.  Devguide
3.0, however, appears to have wrapped up a lot of the DND noise via a suite
of gdd_* functions.

We don't have Devguide 3.0 docs.  :-(

Does anyone have _any_ sort of Devguide 3.0 DND example that they'd care to
share with us?
From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 03:48:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu

Much too tempting to resist :-)

Marathon (490 B.C.)
Arbela (331 B.C.)
Teutoburger Wald (9 A.D.)
Chalons (451)
Tours (732)
Hastings (1066)
Fall of Constantinople (1453)
Lepanto (1571)
Defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588)
Saratoga (1777)
Trafalgar (1805)
Gettysburg (1863)
Port Arthur (1905)
Amiens (1918)
Warsaw (1920)
Kursk (1943)
Moscow (1991)

Newsgroups: alt.war
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re:  Refugees as a (political) weapon (in Estonia)?
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:16:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.063126.23559@cs.joensuu.fi>, hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen) writes:
> 
> 
> 27 Aug 1992 Finnish evening newspaper Ilta-Sanomat published an
> article written by an Estonian, Mait Eelrand, which might be of
> interest to alt.war readers.  Here are the tidbits...
> 
> "Every day dozens of Somalians, and recently Kurds form Iraq, try to
> get to Finland and Sweden from Tallin. Many refugees have forged
> Swedish passports."
> 
> "Estonian police sends the illegal aliens [who don't have valid
> passports] back to the country where they have come from, generally
> Russia."
> 
> "The commander-in-chief of the border guards in Tallin harbor, Viktor
> Hansen, thinks that the refugees are sent to Estonia from Russia by an
> organization which might have political motives [1]. This is his
> personal opinion, but there is no doubt that in Russia forged
> passports are sold to people who want to come to Nordic countries as
> refugees."
> 
> 
> [1] I am not quite sure whether he means 'political motives' against
> Estonia, Nordic countries, or both.
> 
> Now, if we assume (for the sake of starting a good flame war :-) that
> this organization exists, what political motives it might have?  I
> can't think of any other than the destabilization of the target
> country.
> 
> 

Only two things come to mind (at this time):

1. They could be former Soviet agents and their families or people the 
Soviet's supported who have asked for assistance from the Russians they had 
worked for to get them to a safe country (safe from hunger and social strife).

or

2. They are people with enough money that they are paying some Russians to 
help them get to a safe country.  Similar to what the US border smuggler's do 
for money.

That's my contribution.

Don Palmrose
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From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:57:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:


>which have been the most decisive battle/s in the history ?

Just off the top of my head, and in no particular order:

Cannae
Agincourt
Tsushima (sp?) Straits
Midway
Tannenburg
Marne, 1914
Battle of Britain

That's all I can think of right now.  Sorry that it's so biased towards the
1900's, but that's what I'm most interested in...

Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Whither the "No-fly zone?"
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.193045.27147@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.121631.2663@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>>
>>
>>      The question is, who is going to blink first?  I can see that
>>
>>      Is this what Western leaders are looking for?  Have they
>>      decided that this is the only way to remove Sadaam?
>>
>
>    I don't think there is any need for anyone to blink. According to
>the press releases posted to sci.military, planes in the nothern zone
>occasionally take defensive actions (dropping flares) in response to
>Iraqi radar. If this goes on without incident, I don't see any reason to
>look for trouble in the south.
>    An air exclusion zone sounds tough, but it is easy to not enforce it.

	Agreed, we'll have to wait until the first tough action
	and see who reacts how.  If an Iraqi aircraft is downed I think
	that we'll see a lot of wailing and gnashing of rhetoric, if
	a US/UK/F plane is downed then there could a push for retaliation.

>
>    There is almost no chance of an increase in the level of hostility.
>It is military anti-sense to try to run an on/off war. By pulling out the
>troops, they signalled that the war was finished. "The party is over, it is
>time to take off the funny hat"

	     I think that at this point we have to consider whether
	     there was a political misjudgement in pulling troops out
	     and so creating an on/off war by accident.  It wouldn't
	     be the first time that military nonsense has resulted
	     from political misjudgements.

	     I did notice a comment from Bush about working with a new
	     leadership.  Without wishing to drift into alt.conspiracy
	     I cannot help but wonder if this is the start of an effort
	     to get rid of Saddaam.


>    If anything more than a short dog fight, like what happened near Libya
>in the 80's, happens, I have already vowed to run naked across campus.

	I should be getting more excercise too.


	Alec.
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Why is the Arab League not funding Bosnia?
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:29:33 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <5807@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at writes:

> From article <1992Aug25.134457.10876@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George):
> > (1) During the long period of Titoist/Communist control of Bosnia, Bosnia's
> > Islamic identity was obscured, so that Saudi Muslims do not feel the strong 
> > ties to Bosnian Muslims that they do to (for instance) Palestinian Muslims.
> 
> Note that the Saudis (as the Kuweitis and others in the region) do not
> feel strong ties to the Palestinians.  They pay lip service to their
> cause, use them as political bargaining chips or as a thorn in
> Israel's side, but they do little to actively support them, even
> financially.  Look at the treatment that the Palestinians have
> received (indiscriminately) by the Kuweitis since the liberation of
> Kuweit.  Look at the conditions in Palestinian camps in Lebanon.
> Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at

  Once upon a time (say, July 31, 1990), it was my understanding that the 
Saudi's amd Kuwaiti's did support the PLO with cash.  Palestinian support for
Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War (shows how desparate some of those people 
are, to have believed him) has rather understandably quashed any $$ support 
they had or might have had from those sources.

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: Whither the "No-fly zone?"
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:30:45 GMT
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.

In article <1992Aug27.121631.2663@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>
>
>	The question is, who is going to blink first?  I can see that
>
>	Is this what Western leaders are looking for?  Have they
>	decided that this is the only way to remove Sadaam?
>

    I don't think there is any need for anyone to blink. According to
the press releases posted to sci.military, planes in the nothern zone 
occasionally take defensive actions (dropping flares) in response to
Iraqi radar. If this goes on without incident, I don't see any reason to
look for trouble in the south.
    An air exclusion zone sounds tough, but it is easy to not enforce it.

    There is almost no chance of an increase in the level of hostility.
It is military anti-sense to try to run an on/off war. By pulling out the
troops, they signalled that the war was finished. "The party is over, it is
time to take off the funny hat"
    If anything more than a short dog fight, like what happened near Libya
in the 80's, happens, I have already vowed to run naked across campus.

DanZ


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Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,alt.war
From: g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries)
Subject: open letter to a political prisoner
Summary: letter
Keywords: letter
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:26:01 GMT

To Jean du Plessis
92/7524
H-section
Pretoria Local Prison
Private Bag X45
Pretoria 0001

Thank you for your letter Jean. I didn't bother 
replying because all the right-wingers have now
been removed from the security police and are
being replaced by sadists and weaklings. I hope 
your Dad can get this to you.

I was actually trying to get into Zonderwater
prison when I met you in NewLock (to inspect my
troops) but unfortunately my charge was not serious
enough and I had to settle for Ward 11, the
maximum security psychiatric ward. There were one
or two politicals mostly left-wing who only had a 
few titbits for me (like the cruise missile electronics
was done at Kentron). Anyway, I managed to jippo
my camp because I was made a State President's Patient
under Article 78(6) but now I can't stand for election.

Anyway, I'm sorry you can't get Imperium, try Spengler
and if not that then Encyclopedia Brittanica (pre-45).
As you know, the victor writes History.

Today's lesson:
The European Revolution of 1933 was Baroque in form.
The last political form of the Baroque period in fact.
Hitler came up through the Thules, a branch of the 
Illuminati which is a branch of the Freemasons, Broederbond
Rotary, Round Table etc etc etc blah blah blah. Anyway,
I suspect he got involved with astrology and this led him
to bungle all his attacks because he was trying to predict
the weather according to planetary positions as opposed to
just using a supercomputer. So stop worshipping the guy, 
he was part of a group. Worship Von Braun, Guderian, Rudel,
Hartmann, Rommel rather. He wasn't with his men at Stalingrad,
was he? Baroque is feminine. It started with Elizabeth the 
Great. In other words, that whole Nazi number was actually
done by women working behind the scenes through their
husbands. Why? In opposition to Mongol communism which has
always been matriarchal. This same asiatic nihilism which
will force Japan to rise again. But let me make my point.
The thesis is Doric/Gothic - the lion. The anti-thesis is
Ionic/Baroque - the eagle. The synthesis is Imperium - sphinx,
gargoyle,phoenix,winged lion - mythological figures.

Secondly - there is no such thing as a Jew. Its just another
political Idea like race and class and religion. The real
enemy is probably orbiting the Proxima Centauri star system
as we speak. You are fighting the Alien.

What is the military potential of the psycopath? 
Food? Bait? 

I want to make love to the Queen of Mongolian communism.

Wing Humfreeze 
Newsgroups: alt.war
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: Re: The most decisive battles in history ?
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:47:02 GMT

Honorable mention:

Ford vs. GM
ATT vs. Sprint
Quayle vs. a Spelling Bee

Larry J
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Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,alt.war
From: g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries)
Subject: ICU2 INORGANIC GERM WARFARE UNIT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:27:30 GMT

Dear Richard                

Rose has just served a year in a FEDERAL penitentiary
for possession of Unix source. When I was in London
last year they were setting up Unix in the Stock
Exchange and several of the banks. Unix is based
on C, an elitist programming language that is as
obscure as it is esoteric (in case you didn't know). 

In my last job (from which I was fired), I was 
designing the data-base for the master telecontrol
software for the rail network. I subsequently drafted
this letter to the Minister of Defence.

"I am a former employee of Geosystems, Pretoria, a
 company contracted to write the telecontrol software
 for the power supply to the rail network.

 This software is based on HP unix, a product of the
 United States. In the wake of recent software virus
 attacks on the nation's computers, I feel it only
 my duty to warn of the danger of placing the country's
 rail network in the hands of an alien power.  
  
Xref: sparky alt.war:1842 alt.drugs:14997
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: alt.war,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Vikings (Berserkers, mushrooms,missile weapons)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:14:59 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Followup-To: alt.war
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1992Aug20.162011.21930@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
|> Well, stimulants like amphetamines were used by U.S. pilots in the war
|> - oops, conflict - against Iraq. 

Would you document this, please? Because I sincerely doubt that this
was a regular occurrence.

|> Other drugs such as alcohol,
|> cannabis and opiates apparently are widely available on bases, though
|> admittedly for recreational purposes rather than "rage" purposes.

Alcohol is widely available, but cannabis and opiates are not (at
least, not any more).

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