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From: csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:39:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.181019.20140@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:

>Ummm...I can't name a drill that EITHER fucking school is famous for, I can
>however, say matter of factly that I've seen USC's marching band on such
>FAMOUS (that's the word we're working for, right?) features as "THE NAKED GUN",
>"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS", and don't they have a small pep band that
>plays at Laker games at the Forum in Inglewood?
>
>In contrast, I haven't seen Ohio State so much as wipe their asses on anything
>famous.  I think USC has a better reason to be arrogant...

Well, If Ohio State were a stone's throw from Burbank, they'd be on TV and in
movies, too. Since when is location a reason for arrogance? (actually, there is
NO excuse for arrogance.)
P.S. the OSU drill referred to is Script Ohio.
P.P.S. *subito*
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: College Marching Bands (Was: greetings all)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:44:23 GMT

jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.151245.1359@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen
>Warren) wrote:
>> 
>> When at Ohio State and in the OSU Marching Band, we did a lot of
>> crazy and long practicing.
>> 
>> Each year, everyone must try out for the Band, 'cept for the
>> squad leaders.
>> 
>> The first year I tried out, I was one of over 400 students trying
>> out for 225 positions...

>The very concept of tryouts seems so, so ...alien to me!  When I first
>walked into the MOB bandhall 20 seasons ago, I didn't even go to Rice.  I
>asked for music and they asked back "What part?".  If it's bipedal and
>still breathing we'd take it.  (Actually, bipedal was an option...)  The
>only person was strenuously denied from membership was a bagpiper.  We did
>have to limit the number of Show Assistants to 35 during heavy-membership
>years (this was not one of them... even my mother got to be a Show
>Assistant at 69 years old.).

>> In looking back, the OSU Marching Band was the best fun I EVER had
>> in college...

>YESYESYESYESYESYES! Are you still playing?

. . . only in the reunion game each year. sigh . . . 

>> It's one experience in life I'll never forget
>> and will always fondly remember . . . especially the bowl trips
>> (Rose in '80, Fiesta in '80 [before it got changed to Jan. 1],
>> Liberty in '81 and Holiday the year after).
>> 
>> allen  "JI Row" 

>What's a bowl trip? :(

an excuse to drink beer, ogle and tickle the OSU female cheerleaders
(okay, and the male ones too . . . after too much beer!), drink beer,
act REALLY stupid in public, drink beer, harrass the flight attendants
on the plane ride out west, drink beer, etc. etc. etc.  =)
From: larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: TSU Band
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:33:22 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

On the Austin news last night, they reported that the TSU band that went to 
Tokyo was not the real TSU band, but a group of people that got together for
the purpose of the trip.  Some were band members, some were students at TSU,
but some were just friends of friends that went along for the ride.  If that
is true, I don't see how you can really call it a band and the president
probably should disband it.

Larry

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From: jstripli@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Jeff R. Stripling)
Subject: Re: Presidential Inauguration Parade
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:41:09 GMT

In article <Bz5rKM.BzA@nic.umass.edu> jthomson@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John A Thomson) writes:
>Has anyone out there ever marched in the
>Presidential Inauguration? 

Yeah, I marched in the 1988 parade for George Bush & Dan Quayle as
part of the University of Texas Longhorn Band.

Some highlights:

Singing your school song with your band on takeoff at 2am in
a DC-10 is quite an experience.

Our director wanted us to look good on the plane, so everyone had
to wear suits.  Even though no one from the outside world saw us.
We arrived at the airport after midnight, left around 2, arrived
at Washington National around 5:30.  KKY (me included) was dispatched
to shag bags.

THe band, now exhausted from staying up all night but still wearing
nice yet rumpled clothing, was sent to breakfast and then a made-for
-TV rehersal.  We played for the TV cameras, they recorded what we
did for the local Austin news, and we were off to some town in Virginia.

The parade was the next day.  We drove to some staging area (the parking
lot at the Pentegon? Can't recall...).  Real solders with real guns
were abundant.  We picked up some military woman who was our 'guide' for
the day.

Bus after bus took us to the main mall.  We saw President Reagan's
helicoper fly over on the way to the ceremonies at the capitol.  We were
lined up in 5 long lines, each representing 1/5 of the parade.  We waited
hours for the ceremony to conclude and for Bush to make it to the
reviewing stand.  The wind started to kick up...  There was a fence on
either side of the main mall; we were not allowed on the other side of
the fence and the public was not allowed on our side.  I now know what zoo
animals feel like.

Eventually, we were called to attention and started marching.  Everyone
was yelling to watch diagonals and to generally pull one's head out.
The wind was now amazingly strong and some peoples hats began to blow off.
So we marched straight ahead, trying to march as well as possible while
dodging the occasional hat rocketing past, aloft on the wind.

The big moment arrived, we turned on to Pennsylvania and headed towards
the new President.  Hats continued to fly...  We were not supposed to
look at the stand as we passed by, but I figured that I could slightly
cut my head and eyes and on film it would look as if my head was straight.

I saw Bob Hope (short guy), Barbara Bush, and the President (tall guy).
Barb was kind enough to clap to the beat of the music, George was waving.
Several blocks after the reviewing stand, the parade split into five
different routes.  They had lined our buses up in the exact order that we
were marching in, so our 1/5 of the parade pretty much stopped alongside
the busses.  We got back on and headed back for Virginia.

And I still had my hat...

Next day was filled with misc sight seeing and the flight home.

--
Jeff Stripling
jstripli@mot.com
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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("Ramalama from Alabama")
Subject: Re: TSU band shoplifting spree
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:00:00 GMT

	Yeah, I'm with Scott.  We've had rough times with the
administration before, too, and after the Sugar Bowl there was
plenty o' talk about axing us.  Sounds like their AD would be
shooting themsleves in the foot.  Send me a letter and I'l
write and claim I'm a rich alum whose daughter goes to the
school.  Is there a walkman in it for me?



	Mick "Elvis" Stone
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: Re: Scatter bands/non-traditional bands
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:10:02 GMT

	Er on me! 
	Did I say 
"here are some of my jokes from thi year"?! -I meant to say,
"Here are some of my FAVORITE jokes from thiS year"

	We all write them together, here at Virgin', spirit of
togetherness, bum rimming and all.  You know, we're considered
by many to be a "Poison" Ivy.

	The gentlemen and lady at Stanford have been kind enough to
write me -I'm still waiting for the rest of you blokes...


	I'll give you a surprise.... it's slippery...

Mick Stone "'Enge"   (it's bigger 'n a bread box!)         
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From: twomblyk@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (Kristian Twombly)
Subject: Re:Credit
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:40:09 GMT

At the U of Maryland, we have 2 one credit classes for M Band.
Marching Band
Marching Band Rep.
We get a grade for these, and it counts in our GPA
Practice is 8 hrs a week on Non-game weeks
On game weeks-approx 12 hrs.

Kristian Twombly
(mail file deleted, please don't mail me)
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From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Band Traditions
Reply-To: aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:14:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.181443.18492@u.washington.edu>
tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May) writes:
: In article <1992Dec11.051713.19318@leland.Stanford.EDU> stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford) writes:
: 
: >Nope, sorry that WAS us (Stanford Band).  And yes, we were terrible
: >(it was about 20 of us, tops, and not very balanced).  And hate to
: >tell, you, but most people thought we were YOUR band (UW), coming for
: >a second round.  For those of you that don't know, the UW Band does an
: >all-campus rally before EVERY home game.  Very admirable as far as I'm
: >concerned, even if they do only play the "songs that make you go blind"
: >(see the post on that subject elsewhere).
: 
:   Sorry Cal.  Please accept my big appology for this terrible blunder.
: I should have known that it wasn't any of you.
: 

Particularly since the UW-Cal game wasn't even close to Halloween, and
if I'm not mistaken wasn't even in Seattle.

: >In the confusion they were happy to see us and rocked out.  Some UW
: >Band members joined us as well, helping us find our way around campus.
: 
:   That's not what I heard from people in the dorm.  The kids that were 
: rocking out were supposedly high school students that were on campus
: (skateboarding).  As for the UW band member that joined you (I know
: of only one) he is not accepted as part of our band, and would be out
: if the Bandmembers had their way.  Our director did ask him not to
: come back this year, but had no way of enforcing this request, so
: the guy came back anyway.  I don't know if he'll be around next year,
: he screwed up a lot this season.
: 
: Tonya

Well, what you heard and what I saw simply don't jibe.  

1) The "kids that were rocking out" to a great degree were drunk
fraternity people while we were around there, and then later were
definitely people who _came_out_of_the_dorm_ -- I didn't see a single
skateboard.  The people we saw enjoyed it.  Admittedly, they were
mostly drunk, but like I said a lot of them thought we were the Husky Band.

2) Whatever you would like to believe, there were between four and six
(at least) Husky band members with us for most of the trip around
campus, at least three of which were there virtually the entire time.
I remember specifically two trumpet players, one clarinet player, a
trombone player, and possibly a couple of others at one point or
another.  (Which one, by the way, was the one who is getting drummed
out of band?  Just wondering...:-)

I'm not sure why it is so hard for you to believe this, but in fact
the Stanford Band enjoyed a fairly warm reception on the UW campus
that night -- warmer, in fact, than some of the all-campus rallies
we've done HERE.  Particularly when we got out to Terry and Lander,
which apparently the Husky Band usually does not get to because they
are "too far out".  I had fun.

Adam Elman
From: swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Band Traditions
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:28:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

On ucla game day, the trumpet section meets at 5:00 am and goes down to City
Hall to wake up the bums.  After we hold our sectional, we all travel to 
Tommy's where we indulge in Tommy's burgers and some soda.  On that day, it
is also tradition that all the Freshman drink a root beer slick which is a
concoction consisting of root beer, chili, jalepeno peppers, and bassically any
other food substance which we can find.  They then have to drink it.  Believe
me, that is an experience.  At about 8am, we arrive back on campus and go to 
each and every parking structure that are next to campus residences and wake 
up the residents with renditions of "Fanfare", "Tribute to Troy","Fight On!",
and "Conquest".  At about 9am, we are back at rehersal to practice for the 
show.

Ronnie Swain
swain@scf.usc.edu
Trojans Rule!

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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, the Bringer of War")
Subject: Re: Arrogance vs. niceness
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:45:50 GMT

In terms of the niceness of bands, I have to throw a couple
names in the hat.  As a rather critical scramble-type band, we
tend to get a lot of abuse from traditional marching bands, but
some bands stand out as being really great folks.  In
particular, the NC State band was really great to us (guys, I
swear we never urinated on your field) the last time we were
there, giving us fodd and hanging out with us.  The Navy band
is pretty cool, too, we partied with them the last time they
came down to UVa.  The Florida State band, whom we met this
year impressed us too as being cool people who could take a
joke.  (then again, FSU was kicking the crap out of us at the
time...)
justin tate
From: jih@acpub.duke.edu (JOY HOGLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Reading music off of flip folders....
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:00:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec14.034021.20940@cis.ohio-state.edu> csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:



>Marching bands must LOOK good as well as SOUND good.



Why?   The D.U.M.B. neither looks good nor sounds good. And the
university still calls us a marching band.


(I do, however, agree that if you actually want to look and sound good,
you really do have to memorize your music.)


Joy
jih@acpub.duke.edu
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Territorial Disputes
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:17:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester


All this talk about galactic empires shows a typical blind spot that
occurs in a lot of science fiction.  Specifically: it ignores the role
of time.

Here on earth, empires collided because they became possible at about
the same time.  Fundamentally, this is because everyone is of the same
species, the evolution and spread of which synchronized the clocks, so
to speak.  In the galaxy, however, different empires will start at
wildly different times.  Stories that assume everyone is at a low
level, or is expanding all at once, are just too implausible.  There
is no longer any good excuse to ignore the Fermi Paradox.

Moreover, on a long time scale, stars move!  The average random
velocities of stars in our neighborhood is about .01% of the speed of
light.  In 10 million years, stars will separate by about 1000 light
years.  In 1 billion years, by 100,000 light years: about the size of
the galaxy.  Some stars travel an order of magnitude faster than
this.  So even if empires do collide, their boundaries will get
progressively fuzzier.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: Time Travel and Causality Violation
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:18:28 GMT

S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk writes:
> No, my point is that that paradox may be resolvable under a
> multidimensional reality framework.

I triple-dare you to define your terms.

>It's all theory at the moment, but I think my point is clear.

Yeah, right.
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Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
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Subject: Re:  General regulations?
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:20:46 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec11.125707.193@janus.arc.ab.ca> morgan@arc.ab.ca (Sean Morgan) writes:
>In article <m2BFVB3w165w@west.darkside.com> max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max
>Francis) writes:
>>I was thinking that it would be interesting (and great fun) to develop a
>>set of regulations or general orders for an interstellar empire using
>>realistic physics, such as _The Mote in God's Eye_.  The orders might be
>>such like "No fusion drives to be lit at an aperture of greater than 0.01
>>mrad" or "No fusion or ion drive trails to come within 100 000 km of an
>>inhabited planet; no fusion or ion drive trails to come within 1000 km of
>>an uninhabited planet."
>>
>>Any ideas?
>
>How about "No black holes (or potential black holes resulting from research
>projects) allowed to have trajectories intersecting planetary bodies, or where
>failure of containment would allow such intersection."  See Hogan's _Thrice
>Upon a Time_"

And David Brin's "Earth", Larry Niven's "The Hole Man", Gregory Benford's
"Artifact", Greg Bear's "The Forge of God", etc, etc :-)

--
...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
   Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
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Subject: Re:  WASTE HEAT
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:39:18 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec10.223117.22689@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (BULLDAWG) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.183545.21250@black.ox.ac.uk> wa94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Mark F W Charsley) writes:
>>I'm not entirely sure why this topic is called waste heat, as it seems to have
>>developed into a discussion on Space Warfare. I've got two points to make about
>>the high g stealth space-craft:
>>
>>In reply to the possibility of pilots being able to breath while performing
>>100+g maneouvres while in a neutral density bath: could you fill their lungs
>>with this fluid and hook their bodies up to an artificial lung? I'm thinking of
>>some machine through which the pilots blood supply is diverted, which will
>>remove all CO2 in their blood, and replace it with O2, with none of this
>>inflating and deflating meat-based balloons business. If you also hook up the
>>pilots' brains to the control computer: the only part of their body they'd have
>>to move would be their heart: which, if necessary, you could also assist
>>mechanically.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>But if one has the capability of a computer actually acting upon human
>brain impulses, why even bother with a human?  Put a cat's brain, tethered
>in a mayo jar and tell it that the bad guys planet is a big rodent.  Great
>thing to do with that exploding pet population  };)

This was used by "Cordwainer Smith" (Paul Linebarger) in "The Game of Cat
and Dragon". One of the all-time classic SF short stories.


--
...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
   Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
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Subject: Re: Teleport Gate Paradox (New?)
From: morgan@arc.ab.ca (Sean Morgan)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:57:44 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <Yf_rT2m00gpIQQoUhs@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew C. Plotkin"
<ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.science: 11-Dec-92 Teleport Gate
>Paradox (New?) Sean Morgan@arc.ab.ca (1465)
>
>> Now let's move the gates close together. Soon he can now tap himself on the
>> back.  Closer still, and he is crowded up against his own back:
>
>>            |    |
>>            |-):-|
>>            |    |
>
>> A little harder to see, smiley is still in the middle, but his friend has
>> stepped aside.  Now the paradox:  Assuming that the "membrane" of the gate
>> cannot transmit a shear stress, what happens when the gates are move even
>> closer, or even touch?
>
>
>My first guess: Since you're trying to force his head into his, um,
>tuchus, you'll feel the resistance. That is, you'll feel a force
>preventing you from moving the gates closer together. If you push
>harder, the smiley will say "ouch", and eventually you'll break his
>spine. 

I assumed no shear, so you wouldn't feel the resistance?

>This guess is motivated purely by conservation laws. Replace the smiley
>with a spring. Now you're trying to compress the spring, ie put energy
>into it. Energy equals force times distance; you're putting in energy as
>you move the gate a distance, so you feel a force.
>
>Now do the old trick of putting the receiver gate above the transmitter.
>Put a rock in between and let it fall. Now conservation goes all to hell
>-- the rock will continually gain kinetic energy from nowhere. *This* is
>why I think such gates can never exist.


That is exactly the gimmick that Niven discussed in a speculative article about
them.

If they are two ends of a wormhole, there shouldn't be any problem with energy
conservation.  An article in Analog a few months ago suggested that if one end
was loaded onto a relativistic ship and then brought back (say the "twin" gate
lost a year), the gate would work like a time machine, with one year between
the ends!  If it can do that then breaking conservation of energy should be
trivial! :-)

>(Unless the construction is such that you have to plug them in. Then the
>above arrangement would suck power from the socket and turn it into
>kinetic energy. If the power supply was insufficient, the gates shut off
>(and are immediately demolished by the rock.))

Niven suggested that you would crack the planet if it was left in too long.
>--Z
>
>"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
>

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