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From: dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:00:19 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Information Networks, Inc.

sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) writes:

>20-30 excellent groups.  Perhaps if they had their own venue, where
>they weren't being constantly told that they were NO comparison to
>bands (granted they are quite different) that there is NO band
>that was ever as good as a drumcorps, etc., discussions could flourish.

What HE said!  Amen.

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From: dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:14:40 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Information Networks, Inc.

gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.150019.16221@vdbsan> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:
>>
>>>20-30 excellent groups.  Perhaps if they had their own venue, where
>>>they weren't being constantly told that they were NO comparison to
>>>bands (granted they are quite different) that there is NO band
>>>that was ever as good as a drumcorps, etc., discussions could flourish.
>>
>>What HE said!  Amen.
>      ^^ <-   Wait, which he do you mean?

Doesn't matter which "he" as it was the with sentiment that I found agreement.
That is, with so much negativity regarding marching bands, is any wonder that
most proponents of marching bands don't participate in drum corps discussions.

Without any existing band discussion, some Usenetters will argue that the
traffic does not warrant the creation of a group devoted to the topic of
marching bands.  I think I agree with this, but for multiple reasons.

>scott 
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Sep29.054217.6972@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:51:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.054217.6972@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:

   Ed, there are some people who enjoy being "stoppers."  Personally,
   I'm for the free market of ideas rather than arbitrary votes deter-
   mining the lifeblood of a newsgroup.  If enough people, on learning
   of a newsgroup's existence, ask an administrator to carry it, great.
   If not, don't subscribe to it.  Seems easy enough to me.

Too easy.  If there isn't a minimum configuration of sites that agree
to carry a group, you end up with a bunch of islands that may not ever
merge or achieve criticality for survival.  A post to a group doesn't
magically fly through the ether from site A to site B because user A
and user B get their siteadmins to add the group.  There must be a
connected set of sites carrying the group from A to B in order for the
two users to communicate through the group.

(This isn't quite true, with many sites propagating `junk' articles,
but it's basically the way I understand the net.)

The vote was created to provide a means of convincing most/many/enough
admins to create the group at the same time, to provide the links
news needs.  As I mentioned to Bob in email, when it comes to exceptions
to the Guidelines, how could we get enough admins to agree on which ones
to allow?  In the faceless anarchy we call the net, I feel it's better
to err on the side of caution, to maintain the little trust necessary
for operation of the net as we know it.

Based on these ideas, the ones (at least myself) suggesting a revote
(which does _not_ need to wait six months for an _invalidated_ vote)
would rather have a successful group delayed one month than a sickly,
partitioned group right now.  (For the good of the net :-)


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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.131951.12860@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl> templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon) writes:

>jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>
>>I would think both blues and jazz had their importance in the first
>>half of the 20th century, and those genres often crossed each
>>other (examples:  big band music, Les Paul).
>
>I can't buy this argument.  Automobiles also had their importance
>in the first half of the twentieth century.

Bad analogy.  Automobiles and blues are not both musical forms, and
have less to do with each other than blues and jazz.  If you could
comfortably say that the "genres" of automobiles and blues music
cross-pollinated one another, then you might have a point.

>And like somebody
>else said, there is no SPECIAL connection between jazz and
>blues.

You need to listen some more to some old jazz.

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 04:13:59 GMT

In article <BvpwHF.Gy0@uunet.uu.net> pauls@umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>This RFD proposes a SINGLE UNMODERATED newsgroup, named
>comp.os.386bsd to service the entire 386bsd community.

I still vote for leaving it alone.  There are only about 3 people complaining
about it, and any news group with only 3 people demanding everyone move to
another group and leave them alone is doing pretty good.

The distinction between "386BSD" and "BSD" is going to become fuzzier and
fuzzier as CSRG (the originators of BSD) goes out of business in 1993, as
is currently planned, according to postings in comp.unix.bsd and articles
in the trade press.


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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:54:26 GMT

jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson):
>This is a (well, not exactly formal) Call for Discussion of the formation
>of a new newsgroup to handle discussion of the intersection of comic books
>and television. 

Jeff, you're jumping the procedural gun.  First find out whether the
idea has non-trivial support in its home group, *then* move it to 
news.groups.  Skipping that step gives individuals the ability to
waste a *lot* of people's time going through the motions on a proposal
that may have no real support.

>Please make sure that all followups stay directed to news.groups. 

No.  Discussions like this get *moved* to news.groups, when they reach the
proper point.  They don't start there.

>No flames please

If you really think that was necessary, you must realize that there's
a problem.

>Let the chaos begin. :)

Not funny.  It's not a game.  It's thousands of dollars and thousands
of hours of people's time.  

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From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:05:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pellns.1992Sep27.150557.418
Organization: Allegheny College

I wish that people would be a little more open minded about this.  It is  
just a newsgroup.  Had I known that it was going to cause this much  
outrage, I would have shut my mouth.  However, since USENET is indeed a  
public tool, suggestions can and should be made by anyone who feels that a  
change is necessary.  And for those that think that I am a newcomer, I  
would like to have you think again.  Though I do not contribute as many  
articles as some of the rest, that doesn't mean that I am not an active  
reader.  I enjoy reading articles on jazz, but I dislike the fact that I  
have to sift through Blues articles as well.  It is a simple request.  No  
one is going to die IF a change happens.


Jason Heideloff
heidelj@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: fred@ivhs.mot.com (Fred Brunner)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.fencing
Organization: Motorola IVHS Group - Northbrook IL
Date:  1 Oct 92 01:43:53 GMT

I'd be all in favor, since I never find any discussion of it elsewhere
at present, although I'd be glad to be enlightened.

-FB
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.religion.quaker
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:33:34 GMT

In article <k7#p+nl.andyrose@netcom.com> andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:

   So straw poll:
   let me know if you like soc.religion.quaker -UNMODERATED
   or soc.religion.quaker MODERATED
   or talk.religion.quaker UNMODERATED.

You are arguing for a non-moderated group because that is quakerly.  I
agree.  The Usenet board of directors [:)] is asking for the group to
be moderated because that is the standard for soc.religion.*.
Technically, a non-moderating moderator is trivial to implement.  Of
course, if a moderator chooses to set up his moderation that way, then
no one is to blame but the moderator.

So I would suggest soc.religion.quaker moderated if necessary.

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resolving conflicts before war becomes necessary.  War never creates peace.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: talk.politics.medicine
Organization: NDA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:53:09 GMT

I strongly support the proposed new group.

I will sometimes post medical articles with some political content to
sci.med, because there's nowhere else to put them.

Creating talk.politics.medicine will let people who want to read sci.med
but don't want to talk about the politics of health care do just that.


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From: rsk@sequoia.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:15:53 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Sep30.134132.25715@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>In article <90614@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich
>Kulawiec) writes:
>|>complaint) then you should learn to use the features of your news reader
>|>which will allow you to skip most blues-related articles.
>
> This is ridiculous. How could one reliably do this! [...]

It's not ridiculous in the least; it's merely an example of how
one can use the documented features of one's software.

The answer to your question depends on the news reader that one uses;
for example, in a threads-based reader like trn, it's pretty easy to
skip an entire thread that one is not interested in.  (Incidentally,
threads-based newsreaders also allow one to follow topics that one *is*
interested in with great ease.) In a newsreader with kill files, like
rn, it's pretty easy to add various subjects and/or authors to your
KILL file as you encounter them.

For example, my kill file for rec.music.bluenote includes the following:

/bebop/j
/big band/j
/ornette/j

among many other things.  This simple expedient ensures that I won't
be bothered with articles on topics that I'm not interested in.

I recommend that you read the documentation for the newsreader that
you are using and learn to utilize the features designed to assist
you in screening/choosing articles.

---Rsk
From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: MacApp group name
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:39:18 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.157.31

In article <1aajg2INN4oj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A.
Uy) wrote:
> I'm sure someone has mentioned this before, so 
>  apologies in advance...
> 
> Why call it macapp3 when there isn't an existing
>  macapp group to compete with?  What happens when
>  Mac App v4 come out?

My standard answer :-)....

If we were _just_ creating a newsgroup, you'd probably be right.  But we're
gatewaying an existing mailing list into a newsgroup, and the list is
intended for MacApp 3 discussion only.  So the newsgroup should be too;
otherwise we'll deluge the mailing list readers with messages they don't
care about.

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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:04:00 GMT


Here's my perception based on what I've seen in this discussion so far.
I've sort of categorized the types of people it might concern: 

  1) There are a lot of blues fans who don't like having to read
     through a lot of jazz related posts to find articles of interest.
     They would like a blues specific group.

  2) Maybe I'm missing something, but there doesn't appear to be many 
     jazz fans complaining of wading through too many blues articles in 
     order to find jazz articles.

  3) There are a lot of jazz fans who want to include blues in their 
     discussions, all within one group. 

  4) I haven't noticed any, but there may be some blues fans who want
     to include jazz in their discussions, in the one group.

  5) There's a desire among some from 'groups' 3), and possibly 4) to 
     keep the name rec.music.bluenote for the newsgroup.

Suggested Solution:

  1) Create rec.music.blues.

  2) Leave rec.music.bluenote as is.

Results:

  1) The people from group 1) don't have to deal with jazz messages.

  2) The people of group 2) never really had a problem and won't notice
     any difference.

  3) The people of groups 3) and 4) can continue mixing the different
     music styles in their discussions.

  4) The people of groups 2), 3), and 4) can use rec.music.bluenote,
     thereby satisfying those of group 5).


Maybe this is over simplistic. I'm more of an infrequent user of
r.m.bluenote so there could be some points I'm missing. From my own
definitions, I'd have to say I belonged to groups 3) and 5).

Opinions?
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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:50:41 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Sep27.150557.418@pellns.alleg.edu> heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) writes:
>I wish that people would be a little more open minded about this.  It is  
>I enjoy reading articles on jazz, but I dislike the fact that I  
>have to sift through Blues articles as well.  It is a simple request.

Your personal inconvience does not constitute a valid reason for splitting
a newsgroup which has functioned in its current form for five years.  If
you find reading the blues articles annoying (a perfectly legitimate
complaint) then you should learn to use the features of your news reader
which will allow you to skip most blues-related articles.

---Rsk
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposed new group alt.dentistry
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:22:44 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1arvbhINNiu2@spool.mu.edu>, ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth) writes:
> Hello Usenet,
> Is there anything specific that anyone can tell me about starting /moderating a newsgroup on Usenet? I would like to start a group for dentistry. Specifically
> for students/faculty and even practicing dentists. Any info would be greatly 
> appreciated.

Sci.med has been used successfully as a place for dentistry and seems to work
quite well. If you really NEED to have a separate group, get the information
on starting a new group [references to how are posted in news.announce.newusers
or news.newusers.questions]. It would be better to have it as a subgroup of
the sci.med rather than a separate second level alt group.In any case,
please explain why sci.med will not work. I have not seen any indication that
the volume of dentistry postings represents sufficient traffic to justify its
own group. 
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Subject: Re: HELP! Info about alt. newsgroup creation wanted
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:30:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.154702.2875@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>How do you start an alt. group?  I'd like information, please, because
>I believe there is some interest in an alt.frp.champions or
>alt.games.champions.  Please send a reply via email, as I rarely check
>these areas.  Thanks in advance.
> 
Me too, if anyone has info please send me via EMail also.
			Thanx

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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:52:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

rsk@sequoia.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>For example, my kill file for rec.music.bluenote includes the following:
>
>/bebop/j
>/big band/j
>/ornette/j

Rich,

Don't you know that Ornette played some of the greatest blues licks on his
Atlantic LPs?

[;-)]

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:05:46 GMT


Xref: sparky news.groups:18768 rec.music.bluenote:7652
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: funky-music mailing list
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:46:24 GMT
	<6tcpfah@lynx.unm.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <6tcpfah@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) wrote:
> I should point out as a historical note that the attempt to move the funky-
> music mailing list to rec.music.funky effectively destroyed *both* groups;

At this point I'd like to point out to anyone who's not yet aware: the
funky-music mailing list is back with a new home,
funky-music@athena.mit.edu.  Administration has been transferred from the
auspices of Sir Lleb at UPenn to MIT.  If you were on the old mailing list,
you should be on the new one, so if you haven't been receving mail and want
ot, or if you want to join, send mail to funky-music-request@athena.mit.edu.


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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:18:42
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu's message of 28 Sep 92 00:07:20 GMT

In article <90617@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:

   I simply met your assertion with one of my own.  You provided no justification;
   neither did I.


Oh please. I've provided *long*, detailed justifications. Try using
your "p" key. If anything, I've been too verbose on the subject. I
wouldn't be surprised if some people were skipping my articles for
this reason. That's fine, but don't expect me to take followups from
such people seriously.