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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Advice for first year law student?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:06:55 GMT

In article <f7pm02Xn1eaw01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:

>I find the Law-In-A-Flash cards very helpful, but I suspect that that varies 
>from individual to individual.

I second Terry's recommendation here. My experience with the
Law-In-A-Flash cards has been nothing but positive, and I enthusiastically
recommend them both to law students and to those reviewing for the bar
exam.

My first experience in using them was in my Evidence class during my
second year. I found that I knew evidence law well enough after reviewing
with those cards that I made a good exam grade even though I showed up 
half an hour late for the exam.


--Mike



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From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:03:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Aug20.210338.8050
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL


In article <1992Aug20.171135.29223@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>The difference is that your [speech restriction] pact was voluntary.
>It depended on individual consciences, not on the authorities, to
>decide was, and was not, proper.

egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>Living in a community, from a small town to a big nation, is ALSO
>voluntary...at least to a degree.  The resident of St. Paul IN PART
>volunteers to live in St. Paul.

But not every resident of St. Paul volunteered to submit to
government-enforced speech restrictions.

Your love-it-or-leave-it stance can be turned around. Free speech is
guaranteed in the charter of U.S. (a large community). If you don't
like it, leave.

As for the argument that a unit of U.S. government should be able to
make any rule that a private organization can make, do you really
believe this? Many private organizations ban blacks, gays, Jews,
atheists, women, etc. Should a city thus be able to ban, say, blacks?
After all if some city residents don't like it, they can move.

- Carl
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:36:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215056.4083@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>
>Let's see, Chris Bartz will only allow as law those laws for which the
>people vote unanimously.  This is utterly absurd.  What do you want?  A
>Romanian (Ceaucescu era) plebiscite?

Please read his posting again.  Our constitution gives the government
the right to create some laws without unanimous consent, and withholds
that permission about other laws.  (Regulating interstate commerce vs.
establishing a national religion.)  But you seem to confuse, once again,
laws and voluntary agreements.

>Bullshit.  The SC would have been held by its (racist) logic to trump
>the rights of minorities with the right of (white people especially) to
>freedom of speech.  It would therefore have had to decide the way it
>did, and declare that the St. Paul law, even if unanimously accepted,
>violated the constitutional rights of people thinking of living in St.
>Paul

Repeat after me: the coercive power of the state is strong and
therefore limited.  It's limited to allow freedom of expression, among
other things.  What people agree to individually is up to them, but
what the state may coerce people to do is limited by frameworks such as
the Constitution.  Got it?

marshall
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:44:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.012655.183@Princeton.EDU> mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.184336.12971@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>
>>IF living under a government is not voluntary, then you have confessed
>>to despair as to the viability of any community whatsoever, including
>>hunter/gatherer groups.  
>
>Please explain your logic here.  We're not living in a mythic "social
>contract" signed by our forebears; governments have coercive power over
>us.  But that power can be wielded fairly or unfairly, democratically or
>undemocratically, with a fundamental acknowledgment of individual
>liberty or without it.  Why does the involuntary nature of government
>make community impossible?  Why do you give up on community so easily?

Huh?  You've exactly misread the posting.  I was carrying forward my
OPPONENT'S tacit views to their logical conclusion, not mine.  The lazy
presumption of libertarianism is that a sharp distinction can be made
between a coercive blue meanie government, and a nicey nice Outward
Bound patrol.  I contend instead that small "voluntary" associations
like Outward Bound patrols and large "involuntary" associations like
governments actually belong on a continuum, such that an Outward Bound
patrol has some coercive elements, and a government has some voluntary
elements.  In the case of the patrol, once you are in the wilderness
your membership is coerced in the sense that you seriously endanger the
lives of your mates should you want to get out; in the case of
government, you can (as I've said) emigrate or work for change.

It's the libertarian who gives up on community by his denial that
government can ever provide the basis for community!
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Advice for first year law student?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Aug19.233855.22855@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> A number of schools (including U of C) have an open-door policy, and
> it doesn't hurt if you have a[n intelligent] question to ask the
> professor

This is also my experience at the two law schools I've attended:  Cleveland 
State University, and Santa Clara University.  OF course, it depends a great 
deal on the professor, too.  I'd _never_ have gone to see Professor Leiser.  
:-)

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: annsera@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Ann Sera)
Subject: Telephone Recording - I have the Answer
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:30:46 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Well I *did* try to look in the phone book before I posted
but was unable to find any relevant information.  I just looked
again and found it in the most obvious place (typical).  To
anyone interested, here is the answer, VALID FOR NEW JERSEY ONLY
(I've been told the answer varies from state to state):

	A telephone conversation may be recorded if all parties
	participating in the call agree, if the recording party 
	notifies all parties at the beginning and as part of the
	call that they intend to record the conversation or if a 
	"beep" tone warning device is used.  If you hear a short 
	"beep" tone on your telephone aobut every 15 seconds, 
	it means that the person with whom you are talking is recording
	your conversation.

	If you believed your conversation is being recorded and you do not want
	a record made of what you are saying, ask the person with whom 
	you are talking to disconnect the recording machine.

	The use of equipment for recording conversations without
	prior agreement of all parties, notification of all parites
	or a "beep" tone device is permitted by properly authorized
	law enforcement officers under expliit and lawful order of a 
	court and by police and fire departments on emergency reporting
	lines.  Other limited exceptions to the prior
	consent, notification or "beep" tone requirements are specified in
	New Jersey tarriffs.
	.
	.
	.
	It is a crime under federal law for any person, including a telephone
	subscriber to wiretap or otherwise intercept a telephone call,
	unless that person has furst obtained the consent of one of the
	parties actually participating in the call.  Properly authorized
	law enforcement officers can engage in interceptions without the
	consent of either party when proceeding under court orders issued
	pursuant to applicable provisions of federal law.  Under federal law
	, the penalty for illegal wiretapping can be imprisonment for
	5 years, a $10000 fine, or both.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: sf8538f91@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: experience during Law School
Reply-To: sf8538f91@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:55:21 GMT

I am a junior and a full time warehouse manager.  I am married and have
bills to pay.  I plan to be starting Law School in the fall of 95 or so.

How do I gain experience in the field and still be able to pay my bills
while I'm in school?

All suggestions will be welcomed.   Please e-mail.

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Newsgroups: misc.legal,talk.environment,fl.general
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Grand Jury Indicts Jacksonville Shipyards, Employee for Discharge
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.154908.18523@aero.org> foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
   In article <1992Aug19.034037.16803@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
   ..
   >   Indicted along with Jacksonville Shipyards is A. Dix Stephens, age
   >47, of Jacksonville, the shipyard's safety and environmental
   >director.
   ...
   >   Violations of the Clean Water Act carry a maximum three year term
   >of imprisonment, a $250,000 fine for individuals and a $500,000 fine
   >for corporations.  Jacksonville Shipyards faces a total of $1 million
   >in fines.  Stephens faces a total of 11 years in prison, $750,000 in
   >fines, or both.

   Mr. Stephens appears to be a relatively low level employee of what appears
   to be a relatively large Corporation.

"Director of Environmental Safety" sounds pretty high up the ladder to me!

   Mr. Stephens penalty may be 11 years and $750,000. That is a probably a
   substantial portion of his net worth and his life expectancy.

   Jacksonville Shipyards faces a total of $1,000,000 in fines. That is not
   much more than the Stephen's potential fine. It faces no time in prison
   or what might be the equivalent no time when all business activities are
   stopped.

   In other words the penalties on Mr. Stephens are certainly large enough
   to discourage him from doing the same thing again. The penalties on
   the corporation may be small enough that the corporate officers look at
   it as the cost of doing business.

What is a corporation? Essentially, a collection of individuals. A
corporation does not decide to pollute, individuals do. Punishing a
corporation without producing a hardship on responsible individuals
doesn't do much good: ROI goes down, P/E goes down, investors go away,
truly "low level" employees get laid off.

Perhaps Mr. Stephens acted of his own volition. If he didn't, he
obviously didn't keep enough documentation to implcate the "corporate
officers" you allude to. Either way, I'll bet the next safety and
environmentla director will do a better job!

Investors who are afraid of losing money invest elsewhere. People who
are afraid of going to jail clean up their act!
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Advice needed:  Pregnancy and immigration problems
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:13:46 GMT

In article <19090@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.024627.13201@serval.net.wsu.edu> 
>rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Robert Crane - OTHER) writes:
>
>>Is this true?  Is there no way around this?  I have a very
>>difficult time believing that I will have to pocket the
>>entire cost of the birth.  [Bob Crane]
>
[text deleted]
>So, parents get to pay for the births of their children --
>either beforehand, with insurance premiums, or at the time
>of birth.  At least, that has been the experience of two
>generations of my family.   Why does Mr. Crane "have a very
>difficult time believing" that he will have to do the same?

Because he will have to pay those premiums for the rest of his life,
but he will not be reimbursed for the thousands of dollars he
has to pay now.

There are really two issues:
1. If each person pays proportionally to the number of his children,
then it shouldn't matter if he gets an "advance," as long as he
eventually pays.
2. If each person is entitled to have society share the costs,
then it shouldn't matter when those costs are incurred.

Individual payment at the time of birth reflects case (1),
whereas payment of insurance premiums reflects case (2).
Mr. Crane will be burdened with paying his own costs
PLUS sharing in those of others.

Don
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From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: <None>
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:01:15 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Aug21.134527.24220@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.215306.19865@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.144049.313@ginger.hnrc.tufts.edu>, loszewski_im@ginger.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>|> In article <1992Aug20.135523.27884@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>>|> > In article <1992Aug19.230028.14334@oracle.us.oracle.com> hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>>|> >>In article <1992Aug19.045058.6873@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes: 
>>|> > hal, not all is lost.  aleck is the karelin of drag racing.  he drives
>>|> > like a rabid bat out of hell.  it made for quite a whirlwind experience!
>>|> > 
>>|> > poo
>>|> 
>>|> Given the proper set of "wheels", I tend to drive like a drag racer, but I
>>|> almost wet myself that night!! :-)
>>|> -Rob
>>
>>Hey Im much calmer now than when I was younger. 
>>Besides, g-forces make for good adrenalin surges 
>>which make for good pre-workout highs! 
>>
>>Aleck
> 
> nobody needs a fricking pre-workout high at 1 am, for christ's sake!

Was it really that bad after you guys dropped me off?  I have never been so glad
to get back in to my own shit-can.  I was wondering if maybe you guys went
airborne or something.  No offense Alec.  It was fun.  I just should have let
Adam sit in front instead of me.  Poor Poo looked he saw a ghost there for 
awhile.  All in all it was fun.  We had a great weekend.  And contrary to 
popular belief, I did not eat all of Quincy Market.  Adam can attest to that.
Adam if you lie, i'm leaving for Maryland in the morning, and I will remove 
your arms permanently!  :-)  :-)
I admit I came close to choking Adam for eating that Butterscotch brownie in
front of me, but I exercised perfect self control and self restraint.  That's
why he is still probably picking pieces of it out of his ear lobes.  Ha Ha just
kidding Adam.  I know your a good sport so you'll take it well!  :-)  :-)

-Rob

> 
> poo
From: jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice )
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Liposuction?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:39:13 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Imperial College London
NNTP-Posting-Host: wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk

Has anyone had any personal experience of lipsuction?  I would *love* to
get it done to my thighs. 

What is the cost, how much pain is involved and how long does it take to
recover from the operation?

Help, Im really tired of having flabulous thighs!


Janice.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscular Soreness
Keywords: muscle sore workout
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:50:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug23.005031.27902
Organization: Western Washington University

cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.150220.28294@cci632.cci.com> afh@cci632.cci.com (Andrew Halperin) writes:
>>I am curious to find out some detailed information about
>>muscular soreness after various workouts.
>>
>>     ... I find that after I do my leg workout
>>     about 2 days after I feel the soreness. I understand
>>     the lactic acid/circulation reason but why does it
>>     take 1-2 days for your body to feel the discomfort?

>This pain is probably a sign of overuse (injured muscles recovering).
>You may be OK at this level of activity if the pain does not get worse.

	When I get sore, it is almost always 1-2 days after the fact,
and the pain peaks during the 2nd 3rd or 4th day.
	
	So this means that I _always_ overtrain?  I don't think so.  I've
been like this my whole life.

>Ice and anti-inflammatory drugs might help a little.  Smart training
>will prevent most evcessive soreness and maximize strength gains.

	I think some people get more sore than others.   A decent workout,
or sometimes even a light one, has always made me sore for a long time.
Aside from not working out, there seems to be nothing I can do.

Jim D
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: chaos@zeus.tamu.edu (Kimberly Diane Faircloth)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.233012.19974@mcnc.org>, ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes...
>In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil> becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart
>>rate and keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins
>>to burn fat?  THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout
>>twice a day....gives you the best results.  Many people work up to
> 
>Since all of the studies I've seen reported claim ever increasing fat
>utilization to the point of exhaustion, why do you recommend such a
>short workout (40 mins) to burn fat?  If you have to spend 20 min just
>to start, then wouldn't you double your fat burning if you went 60 min
>instead of 40?
> 
>Note that *if* no fat is burned until 20 min, the 20-30 min span was pure
>fat burning.  On a mixed diet, the subject used more fat, but the
>proportion of fat used increased more slowly with time.
> 
Even though you might not burn a good amount of fat in 20+ minutes,
your muscles are producing fat-burning enzymes, that, after a regular,
steady schedule of exercise, will aid in utilizing the body fat and 
daily consumed fat for energy.  And you don't have to kill yourself
exercising to get these results.


> 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: segordon@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: Drug use at the Olympics
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:32:27 GMT

In article <brian.713544561@thor>, brian@thor.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:
> jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece) writes:
>>As an interesting aside, it was mentioned during one of the
>>equestrian events that Princess Anne was the only Olympic athlete
>>ever to be exempted from having to take a drug test.  That
>>raises the question of what sort of drug could enhance the
>>performance of a *rider*?
> 
>      She was also the only female athlete not to get a sex test.  (I can
> hear the comments now...)
> 
> 					Brian Ackerson
> 					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
> 
	Why was she exempted from being tested?

	Take a look at the physique of an experienced rider and you will
see that riding involves using a lot of strength.  You could rest a can
of soda on top of the ledge formed by a male rider's calf muscle.  However,
I have never heard of a rider using steroids, while the drugging of
horses is prevalent.

					Susan Gordon
					gordon@amherst.edu

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: goodguy@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shen Kai Lew)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.123625.3813@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
> 
> ak536@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (B. Wanchisen) writes:
> 
> >These suggestions are too kinky for duvall.  Trust me.
> 
> Oh yeah??? Yeah?????  <puts up dukes>
> 
> <ponders>  Ya know, you're probably right.  <drops dukes>
> 
> So, er... any OTHER suggestions for ab work?  :)
> 
> <whispers to all those kind readers who sent e-mail>  I've
> ordered Legendary Abs, but don't tell Wanchisen... if she
> learns I've got it, she'll allthetime wanna borrow it.
> 
> -- 
> aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar


What the hell are those first few lines about? Get real and run in groups  
if possible, slowly but gradually. This will definitely trim your Goodyear  
body tire. Don't push too hard or you'll hurt yourself. THEN go to gym and  
do sit-ups. Works for me, but hey you can try it too.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Favorite Foods
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:53:21 GMT


In a previous article, griffin@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin) says:

>In article <Aug.19.22.24.08.1992.7867@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>>
>>What type of healthy food do you really like?  I'm very fond of
>>yogurt; my one-day record is over 100 ounces (really!).  
>
>With all this talk of egg whites, skim milk and tuna, it's great to
>see someone else endorse yogurt, non-fat of course. I find that if I
>skip a day, I can get weird cravings for it. 
>
>Speaking of cravings and favorite foods, I have terrific
>cravings for carohydrates at night just before I go to bed.
>I've been eating whole wheat bagels and breakfast ceral (non-fat
>brands). Do you other folks also suffer from evening cravings for
>carbs? Do you resist or give in to them? What do you eat when you
>have a carbo craving?
>

I have the same problem.  I've found it very difficult not to give in.
Like you, I've been snacking on non-fat and low-fat carb foods, which
isn't always wise just before you go to bed.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
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