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From: atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson)
Newsgroups: aus.education
Subject: Re: Directory of External Courses at Aust Uni's
Followup-To: aus.education
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:48:04 GMT
Organization: Murdoch University External Studies
Distribution: world
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In article <mahoney.728107053@helios>, mahoney@helios.usq.EDU.AU (barry
mahoney) wrote:
> 
> I have been told that somewhere there exists a directory of External
> Courses offered by Australian Tertiary Institutions. Does this exist
> somewhere and if so how does one gain access to it?
> 
Yes, it exists, hosted by University of New England Distance Education
Centre. It is accessible by AARNet, but because it is an ORACLE database
rather than a collection of files downloadable by anon ftp, you really
should get the "Information and Instructions Guide", phone UNE DEC on 067
732 098 (sorry, don't have an email address to cite). The Guide booklet
contains username and password specifications. I'm told that it is "down"
for the whole of this week, for maintenance.

By the way, the question of which is the better approach, a database such
as used in this case, or a collection of files for anon ftp. I think that
the Directory is really awful to access via Oracle type approach. I think
that it would have been so much easier for all parties if we had used a
collection of files for anon ftp, with a simple hierarchial directory
structure, and with each file available in various formats such as .txt,
.ps, Word for mac, Word for DOS, etc. Each institution could then update
its files as required, rather than a once a year update. 

What was really needed was the book version available for downloading in
appropriately sized chunks, not a "database". It is a very good publication
(a credit to UNE DEC's work), and the best searching tool is the book's
table of contents and index of institutions. The book is Directory of
Tertiary ExternalCourse in Australia available from Distance Education
Centre, University of New England, Armidale NSW 2351, price I'm not sure
about.

Dr Roger Atkinson
Acting Director of External Studies, External Studies Unit,
Murdoch University, Murdoch, Western Australia 6150.
Voice +61 9 360 2240 fax +61 9 310 4929  atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au
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From: ggast@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.education
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:42 EST
Subject: Byron Shire Telecottage Launch
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Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ggast    Jan 27 17:42:00 1993


/* Written  5:35 pm  Jan 27, 1993 by ggast in peg:cafe.bigscrub */
/* ---------- "Byron Shire Telecottage Launch" ---------- */


      PRESS RELEASE * PRESS RELEASE * PRESS RELEASE * PRESS


		  THE BYRON SHIRE TELECOTTAGE NETWORK


		      Wednesday 27th January, 1993


Tomorrow the Federal Member for Richmond, Neville Newell, will
present a cheque for $60,000 to kickstart the Byron Shire
Telecottage Network. The funding has been provided by the
Department of Education, Employment and Training (DEET) through
the Greening Australia brokerage.

Under the Jobskills Training Program the BSTN will be offering ten
traineeships in Landcare Information Technology as well as
providing work experience for the duration of the six month
course.

The objective of the program is to improve the long term
employment prospects of people who have been unemployed for 12
months or more by broadening their employment experience and
equipping them with new skills through work experience and
training.

The BSTN is a non-profit community association which aims to
provide increased opportunities to the shire through the use of
computer and telecommunications technology.

The BSTN,  located at 33 Fletcher Street, Byron Bay,  is now open
to the public.

Its primary activities are:
	*    computer services
	*    laserprinting
	*    scanning
	*    training courses
	*    networking
	*    consultancy; and
	*    education

The BSTN would like to thank Mark Jackson (Regional Organiser,
Greening Australia), the Byron Shire Council, CES, Telecom
Australia, Osborne Computers, Pegasus Networks, Cognos, the
Community Centre, Byron Bay High School, local business and
community groups for their support.

For further information phone the Byron Telecottage (066) 855 376


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From: len@mel.dit.csiro.au (Len Makin)
Subject: Re: Directory of External Courses at Aust Uni's
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:19:02 GMT


In article <atkinson-280193132727@esumac15.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) writes:
|> In article <mahoney.728107053@helios>, mahoney@helios.usq.EDU.AU (barry
|> mahoney) wrote:
|> > 
|> > I have been told that somewhere there exists a directory of External
|> > Courses offered by Australian Tertiary Institutions. Does this exist
|> > somewhere and if so how does one gain access to it?
|> > 
|> Yes, it exists, hosted by University of New England Distance Education
|> Centre. It is accessible by AARNet, but because it is an ORACLE database
|> rather than a collection of files downloadable by anon ftp, you really
|> should get the "Information and Instructions Guide", phone UNE DEC on 067
|> 732 098 (sorry, don't have an email address to cite). The Guide booklet
|> contains username and password specifications. I'm told that it is "down"
|> for the whole of this week, for maintenance.
|> 
|> By the way, the question of which is the better approach, a database such
|> as used in this case, or a collection of files for anon ftp. I think that
|> the Directory is really awful to access via Oracle type approach.

 I agree, this type of information would now be better set up as a
WAIS server or similar, accessible by gopher. Like the libraries, they are
just so difficult to access. Although at least they're thinking about
access to information on the net now.

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CSIRO Division of Information Technology | Supercomputing Support Group |
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From: Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au>
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:44:18 GMT
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Kathryn Andersen, kat@werple.apana.org.au writes:
>>Tonio Loewald writes:

>>How many are there these days? The original set was Flight, Quest, White.
>>I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from -- a tenth as
>>long and much better written.

>What book would this be, pray tell?

I imagine he's referring to "The Dragon Masters", by Jack Vance.
Quite a good story, too IMHO.
Although I cannot attest to similarities with the McCaffery books, having
not read them myself.

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From: ianf@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Ian Florance)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Does a chain of command exist any more (STNG)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:20:10 GMT
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From article <727731423.AA08145@csource.oz.au>, by Lee.Nye@f364.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Lee Nye):
> ff> For instance: if you beamed down to a stormy planet with a
> ff> 14 minute transporter window, and non-functional communicators,
> ff> would you seperate?  Thought so.
> 
> More to the point why doesn't anyone ever carry any sort of a) medical
>  supplies b)survival gear c) technology that is designed for when a crew
> member
>  gets lost

No-one will be lost.
Therefore $$$$ saved on survival gear.
Medical Supplies can only be carried by trained authorised personel and
due to the depressed economy these can not be afforded.
Lastly there is the risk of aliens getting the techology if anyone loses
it. This costs money to replace so its cheaper not to have it.

See its all easy. The federation is probally the culmination of years of
'good' goverment.

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From: morgan@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:40 EST
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
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Nf-From: peg.UUCP!morgan    Jan 22 16:40:00 1993


hi,

Tonio,
>I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from 

What do you mean?


Did you see my response to Elena's query which has the full
list of dragon books?


Morgan
From: Lee.Nye@f364.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Lee Nye)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Does a chain of command exist any more (STNG)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 19:29:38

ff> For instance: if you beamed down to a stormy planet with a
ff> 14 minute transporter window, and non-functional communicators,
ff> would you seperate?  Thought so.

More to the point why doesn't anyone ever carry any sort of a) medical
 supplies b)survival gear c) technology that is designed for when a crew
member
 gets lost

I mean even the scouts now to be prepared when entering a hostile enviroment.

Lee.


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From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:31:48 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia

Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au> writes:
>>>Tonio Loewald writes:

>>>How many are there these days? The original set was Flight, Quest, White.
>>>I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from -- a tenth as
>>>long and much better written.

>I imagine he's referring to "The Dragon Masters", by Jack Vance.
>Quite a good story, too IMHO.
>Although I cannot attest to similarities with the McCaffery books, having
>not read them myself.

I've read both, and enjoyed both, and although both have humans & dragons,
the premise and relationships are very different.

Sm
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:36:04 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

morgan@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:


>hi,

>Tonio,
>>I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from 

>What do you mean?


>Did you see my response to Elena's query which has the full
>list of dragon books?


>Morgan


Hi, sorry to take so long to reply. I tried to return a letter
but it seems I had an incomplete address. Enough already.


The book is "The Dragonmasters" by Jack Vance 196?, it won
either or both the Hugo and Nebula awards.

Synopsis: isolated human settlement is periodically
threatened by alien attacks, to fend off which they've
specially bred "dragons". However, no attack has occurred
recently, and the "defenders" are lax and using their
dragons as a source of status &c. The hero realises the
relationship of an astronomical body (a "red star") and
the timing of the attacks, tries to warn everyone, but
largely fails...

Aside from being a lot more concise and having better ideas
(together with a humorous symmetry) and probably being
original (who knows, it may be plagiarised from something
earlier by Ariosto or Homer) the book is pretty well
identical to the original Dragon series, but does not
require _extremely silly_ time travel for its resolution.

Tonio

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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:19:52 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:

>elena@otc.otca.oz.au (Elena Leonardi) writes:

>>Could someone please let me know the order of the books in the Dragon series by
>>Anne McCaffrey.  I'd be much obliged.

>How many are there these days? The original set was Flight, Quest, White.
>I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from -- a tenth as
>long and much better written.
What book would this be, pray tell?

Kathryn Andersen
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From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:29:16 GMT

robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) writes:
>There are two time lines - so in Pern chronological order -

>Dragonsdawn
>Moreta, Dragonlady of Pern
>Nerilka's Story
>Dragonflight
>Dragonquest
>The White Dragon
>The Rebels of Pern
>All the Weyrs of Pern

>Then the other sequence which fits between "Dragonflight" and to a time just
>after "The White Dragon" -

>Dragonsong
>Dragonsinger
>Dragondrums.

>There is also a short story in "Get Off the Unicorn" called "The Littlest
>Dragonboy".

"The Littlest Dragonboy" fits in before "All the Weyrs of Pern", and I think,
after "The White Dragon".  One of the characters in TLD has advanced a number
of turns, and appears in ATWOP.

Sm
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:22:22 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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elena@otc.otca.oz.au (Elena Leonardi) writes:

>Could someone please let me know the order of the books in the Dragon series by
>Anne McCaffrey.  I'd be much obliged.

>Hygge dig - Elena

How many are there these days? The original set was Flight, Quest, White.
I prefer to read the book they seem to be plagiarised from -- a tenth as
long and much better written.

Tonio

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From: zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Does a chain of command exist any more (STNG)
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:31:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
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Lee.Nye@f364.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Lee Nye) writes:

>ff> For instance: if you beamed down to a stormy planet with a
>ff> 14 minute transporter window, and non-functional communicators,
>ff> would you seperate?  Thought so.

>More to the point why doesn't anyone ever carry any sort of a) medical
> supplies b)survival gear c) technology that is designed for when a crew
>member
> gets lost

>I mean even the scouts now to be prepared when entering a hostile enviroment.

It is a fundamental cultural thing.  THey rely so much on their fancy
technology that they are incapable of believein it might fail.  THey are
totally fixated on transporters.
  
THey are also so convinced of their medical superiority that they never
bother with decontamination or isoloation procedures, and so sure of
their translator technology that they never have to learn someone else's
language and so know almost nothing about alien customs or mindsets.

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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:17:44 +1100
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elena@otc.otca.oz.au (Elena Leonardi) writes:

>Could someone please let me know the order of the books in the Dragon series by
>Anne McCaffrey.  I'd be much obliged.

Okay, let's see if I can remember them all, chronologically.

Dragonsdawn


Moreta
Nerilka's Story (novella)


Dragonflight				Renegades of Pern
Dragonquest	/	Dragonsong		|
		\	Dragonsinger		|
						|
			Dragondrums		|
The White Dragon				V
					All the Weyrs of Pern

also
The Smallest Dragonboy (short story in Get Off The Unicorn)

To explain a little, Dragonsong and Dragonsinger both take place
in the same timeframe as Dragonquest.  The Renegades of Pern
starts off before Dragonflight, and finishes after The White Dragon,
and All The Weyrs of Pern is its sequel.
The Smallest Dragonboy I think takes place sometime after Dragonquest.
Dragonsdawn is about how Pern was settled, Moreta is a Pass or so
before Dragonflight, and Nerilka's Story is about the same time
as Moreta.
Dragonflight, Dragonquest and The White Dragon were the first to
be written, and make up the "Dragonriders of Pern" trilogy.
Dragonsong, Dragonsinger and Dragondrums were next (more or less;
I think The White Dragon came out after the first two of these) and
make up the "Harper Hall" trilogy, and IMHO are the best books
of the series.  After that they loose their freshness, and become
rather tired.

Kathryn Andersen
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From: alan@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Alan Hargreaves)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:11:28 +1100
Organization: Maths Department, University of Newcastle, Oz.
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morgan@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:

>The Dragon books are as follows:

>1. Dragon Flight.
>2. Dragonquest.
>3. The White Dragon.
>4. Moreta,Dragonlady Of Pern.
>5. Nerlika's Story.
>6. Dragonsdawn.
>7. Renegades Of Pern.
>8. All the Weyrs Of Pern.

>There is also available " the Dragon lovers Guide."
>Which is a " Coffee Table Book " about the series.

ummmm what about the harper series?
(The way I read it, it kinda overlays 2-3 and a bit further).

alan.
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Subject: Re: HHGTTG
From: DAVIS@licre.dn.mu.oz.au
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:50:33 AET
Organization: Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research

In article <7166@otc.otca.oz>, elena@otc.otca.oz.au (Elena Leonardi) writes:

[unreadable stuff deleted]

Elena, could you please put some R&D into how you quote people?  Your post 
was almost unreadable.

Thanks!

Ian Davis                  davis@licre.ludwig.edu.au
From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Australia to see Blade Runner Director's Cut!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:59:40 +1100
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Seen on aus.general, thought you guys might be interested:

muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman) writes:

>Hi there

>Just been on the phone to Roadshow, the distributors of the 1982 release of
>Blade Runner.  They have informed me that the Director's Cut of Blade Runner
>will DEFINITELY be shown in Australia.

>They are unsure if it will have a multi-point release, or start in Sydney or
>Melbourne, and then travel around the country.

>No firm dates yet, although the planned release date is "late May".

>Thought you'd like to know.

>Cheers,
>Murray
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From: morgan@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:38 EST
Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey - Dragons
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Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!morgan    Jan 22 09:38:00 1993


Hi,


Elena,
The Dragon books are as follows:

1. Dragon Flight.
2. Dragonquest.
3. The White Dragon.
4. Moreta,Dragonlady Of Pern.
5. Nerlika's Story.
6. Dragonsdawn.
7. Renegades Of Pern.
8. All the Weyrs Of Pern.

There is also available " the Dragon lovers Guide."
Which is a " Coffee Table Book " about the series.

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From: enno@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr E Davids)
Subject: Re: Does a chain of command exist any more (STNG)
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:59:38 GMT

In article <zebee.727947094@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au>, zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
|> Lee.Nye@f364.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Lee Nye) writes:
|> 
|> >ff> For instance: if you beamed down to a stormy planet with a
|> >ff> 14 minute transporter window, and non-functional communicators,
|> >ff> would you seperate?  Thought so.
|> 
|> >More to the point why doesn't anyone ever carry any sort of a) medical
|> > supplies b)survival gear c) technology that is designed for when a crew
|> >member
|> > gets lost
|> 
|> >I mean even the scouts now to be prepared when entering a hostile enviroment.
|> 
|> It is a fundamental cultural thing.  THey rely so much on their fancy
|> technology that they are incapable of believein it might fail.  THey are
|> totally fixated on transporters.
|>   
|> THey are also so convinced of their (various forms of] superiority ,etc.


Can we spell 'plot device' boys and girls?  While I occasionally enjoy seeing
some of this sort of speculation it is worth noting that most of the TNG 'plots'
(for want of a better word) are fairly thin devices with some (often too much)
explanatory dialogue attached. 



Enno.


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