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From: jdare@math.rutgers.edu (James Dare)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ministry
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:49:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug26.132903.2749@bmerh85.bnr.ca> snark@bmerh327.BNR.CA (Eric Nelson) writes:

> Im getting into Ministry, but don't want to buy all of the
> albums they have and toss the ones I don't like.  The band
> seems to have changed style over the years from dance to
> grunge industrial stuff. 
> 
> If I like 'The Land of Rape and Honey' better than '80-84 12 inch
> singles' (i.e. Halloween, etc) what other albums will I like?
> 
> Also - I'd like to find other bands (Skinny Puppy?).  Other 
> recomended listening would be most grand.
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
> Eric Nelson (snark@bnr.ca)      BNR FWP OSI AIF for OAM&P 


My favorite Ministry album is _Twitch_.  But if you want stuff that
is the *most* like _Land of Rape and Honey_, I would recommend _The
Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste_, also a good album.  Ministry
also has a live album entitled, _In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing
Up_ which takes most (all?) of its material from _Rape_ and _Mind_.

Having just gotten into Skinny Puppy myself, I have only heard one
album, _VIVIsectVI_.  It is similar to _Rape_ but a bit more tuneful.

You might also want to check out Mussulini Headkick, Front 242, Foetus,
and KMFDM to get some kind of idea of what it is you like.  I'd be
happy to tell you more about these bands.  I'd also STRONGLY recommend
that you read  rec.music.industrial

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: NME v Morrissey (was Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:35:48 GMT

keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Garry Bushell wrote for "Sounds", not the
>NME.

You're correct.

For those wondering what this is all about, Bushell was not only a Sounds
journalist, but also a supporter of the so-called Oi movement (terrible
early 80s British skinhead punk bands). He also put out several
compilations of these bands, of which one was the infamous "Strength Thru
Oi!". Not only was the title a pun on "Strength Thru Joy", or "Kraft
Durch Freude" as Adolf himself would have called it, but the skinhead
depicted on the sleeve happened to be some sort of local leader of
the fascist National Front.

If I remember correctly, Bushell was the subject of much ridicule in
the NME.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Subject: Re: Shakespear's Sister.. what's the deal???
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:35:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.133125.2478@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
>Sibhon Frahley (??) -- ex-Bananarama girl, vocals, tiny bit of guitar

that's "siobhan fahey" by the way, and the old bananarama stuff is quite a bit
better than shakespeare's sister.

yours,m

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST)
Subject: Re: Ramones
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:14:46 GMT

In article <guest.32@dhhalden.no> guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:

>Try contacting   O. "Magnum" Olsen on Hovsveien 130, N-1750 HALDEN, NORWAY
>               And he'll be happy to send you a sample of splendid Ramones-
>                inspired surf-punk from his band The Basement Brats.	

Just noticed this one. Haven't got a clue who wrote it (I didn't), but 
interesting parties can mail me at oleo@sofus.dhhalden.no (or oleo@dhhalden.
no, I'm not sure what it is now...) from next week.

Magnum
From: hae4@quads.uchicago.edu (helene alexis economou)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Henry Rollins's books
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: hae4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
 _Pissing in the Gene Pool_ (poetry, essays, some wacked out violent mysogynistic stuff)

I hear he kicks ass in poetry readings but the last time he came around doing that i was in hs and had a debate meet or something lame to go to

some place out in CA publishes his stuff, it's quite consumable


Daa
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: What is alternative?
From: john@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (John Q. Generic)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:43:27 PDT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

In article <1992Aug26.052043.16347@midway.uchicago.edu> gc14@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hi there everyone!  I suppose that my subject says it all, so what exactly
>is "alternative" music.  If someone could please distinguish between
>alternative, industrial, new wave, new age I'd really appreciate it.
>PLEASE no flames, I'm really just asking, and do not mean to offend, I'd 
>just like to hear the opinions of some afficianados...
>I will be reading this newsgroup for a while in the hopes of some responses,
>and I can be reached for email at:
>
In my opinion, there are two distinct meanings to the word
"alternative," first is music which fits no established genre or has
limited or non-commercial distribution.  Second, they type of stuff
that dominates this news group (for good or bad), and is little more
than predominately white urban European influenced pop music.
Industrial and New Wave would be sub types of the commercial
alternative style.  New Age might only be classified as alternative by
the first definition, it is not aimed at the same radio market. 

(Yes, I am cynical toward and bored by "alternative" radio stations.)


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Subject: Re: What is alternative? (argh! NO!)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:06:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161745.10167@news.uiowa.edu> sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Steven Bradley Taves) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.145939.5791@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>>New age is music intended to relax stressed out yuppies.  Extremely light
>>melow synth and acoustic guitar music with occasional unusual instruments
>>thrown in.  Verges on Muzak, but "original" (but terribly cliched) titles
>>and taken from Folk music, instead of from Pop music as Muzak is.
>>
>>It isn't music, it's relaxation therapy!  Be sure to have pleny of Pepto
>>Bismol on hand if you listen to it!
>
>	Holy Shit!!!  Please!!  New Age Music is just as diverse as
>alternative music.  Just like there is alternative music that sucks,
>there is New Age music that sucks!  Try listening to Micheal Hedges,
>and then try to call it Muzak.  Ask any guitarist that has studied 
>his music at all, and he/she will confirm that there is nobody more
>talented.  Pick up any list on the 25 top guitarists of all time,
>he's on it.  Honestly, listening to his songs, you cannot believe
>there is not 2 other guitarists playing with him, he plays most songs
>with _no_ overdubbs!!!.  Anyone got an opinion on Micheal Hedges'
>New Age music?
>
>Steve Taves
>
>
>

Umm... After seeing Michael Hedges several years ago, I thought he was
a folk singer who did alot of guitar instrumentals (Heck, I think he
did a Neil Young cover). New Age is boring, intentionally, most music
stinks, not just new age, etc.

Thank You,

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Steven Bradley Taves)
Subject: Re: What is alternative?(Answer to end all Answers)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Aug26.052043.16347@midway.uchicago.edu> gc14@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hi there everyone!  I suppose that my subject says it all, so what exactly
>is "alternative" music.  

	In a lot of ways, alternative music is relative to the listener.
To a top 40 listener(NO!), alternative is today's REM.  To others, its
local bands that play their own music and not mostly all cover songs.
To me, alternative music is groups who have unique ways to approach
sounds, songs, and their structure.  Hence, the majority of people don't
give the music a try, because they think immediately that its 'weird',
and hard to follow, so why bother, right?  I think that most people that
follow this newsgroup will say that their favorite band is awesome in the
cool way that it expresses itself, the way it makes them feel, or that
they just can't describe it.  This is because I think there is great
rewards in giving 'weird' music a listening effort! Ramble, Ramble....

Steve Taves


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman)
Subject: Re: Big Chief? / SubPop=Seattle
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:28:55 GMT

dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube) writes:

>ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:

>SST is/was in Redondo Beach, CA.  Sub Pop had a bigger influence on the

The address I believe is/was:

P.O. Box 1
Lawndale CA, ?????


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From: maartenm@blade (Maarten Muijen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Henry Rollins's books
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:13:26 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hallo daar,

It has come to my attention that Henry Rollins has written some books. Does
anyone out there knows some titles, and the firm that publishes them?

In the credits on the cover of his latest album he said something about the 
Eindhoven-Jersey connection. Does anyone know what that means (I know that he
likes to come to the Effenaar in Eindhoven)?


groetjes van Maarten

MAARTENM@STACK.URC.TUE.NL
ELAAMM@URC.TUE.NL
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Subject: anybody got good lolla II live tapes?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:53:51 GMT


I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has live tapes from lolla II
(or lolla I (or any live tapes! :)  I live out in the sticks and lolla II
doesn't even come close to me. I have many interesting live tapes on my list
if you are interested in trading

mike
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: markkj@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Johnston)
Subject: Re: Straitjacket Fits and Able Tasmans
Keywords: NZ, Flying Nun, Straitjacket Fits, Able Tasmans
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:56:19 GMT

a0s5102@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Mitchell R Dickerman) writes:
>>Also, is the new Able Tasmans LP (As) 1) out yet, 2)available in North America
>>and especially in Boston or through US mailorder, or 3)any good?

>Wow, another Able Tasmans fan. This band is just too good a secret to keep. I
>just got a copy of their first CD, _A Cuppa Tea And A Lie Down_. It's 
>fantastic, all those musical styles coming together like that. The CD also
>includes their first EP plus a couple of other tracks. Essential stuff. I 
>haven't heard anything about a new album, though. 


	I'd be interested to know what sort of music the Able Tasmans played...
I quite like the rest of the bands from NZ, esp. The Bats & The Chills -
and selected songs from Straitjacket Fits (ie those by Andrew Brough... :)
If anyone could post/e-mail some info on the Able Tasmans, I'd be appreciative.


	Mark.







	
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From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive,rec.arts.tv,rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Toy Cows
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

rutan@tanalo.larc.nasa.gov (David Rutan) writes:

>Greetings,
>This past monday night during a dream sequence on the TV show Northern Exposure
>the scene was backed by the song "Toy Cows in Africa".  I assume that this is the
>title.  If anyone out there has any more on this track, Artist/Album/CD name etc. I'd appreciate hearing from you.

I missed that but didn't the Bush Tetras have a song called "Cowboys in 
Africa"?

Lena
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe)
Subject: Re: NME v Morrissey (was Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.113548.7903@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:
>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Garry Bushell wrote for "Sounds", not the
>>NME.
>
>You're correct.
>
>For those wondering what this is all about, Bushell was not only a Sounds
>journalist, but also a supporter of the so-called Oi movement (terrible
>early 80s British skinhead punk bands). He also put out several
>compilations of these bands, of which one was the infamous "Strength Thru
>Oi!". Not only was the title a pun on "Strength Thru Joy", or "Kraft
>Durch Freude" as Adolf himself would have called it, but the skinhead
>depicted on the sleeve happened to be some sort of local leader of
>the fascist National Front.
>
>If I remember correctly, Bushell was the subject of much ridicule in
>the NME.
>
Yup, and this is what I was referring to. The NME attacked not only the
NF, and the journalist but the paper itself. Claiming that Sounds was
and always had been riddled with fascists and NF sympathisers. No
evidence to support this (that is the attacks on Sounds) was ever 
produced. Sound's policy at the time was that Bushell was a journalist
that worte for their paper, but his views did not necessarily (and in
this case certainly did not) correspond with the editorial view of the
paper itself. I believe that at the time, both Crass and the Exploited*
came out with material that supported the Sounds case, and attacking
both the NME and Bushell. The parallel that I tried to allude to in the
previous article is that NME has a history of attacking the message
through the messenger. i.e. Are they unjustifiably accusing Morrissey of
fascist and racist behaviour, because of the subject matter of the
lyrics. Is Morrissey singing _about_ racism or in support of it. No-one
ever accused SLF of being right-wing NI Loyalists, but a perusal of the
lyrics of "White noise" or "Union Jack" might lead you to believe they
were. I suggest that maybe the problem with the Morrissey is that
his lyrics are so opaque and difficult that it would lead the savages at
the NME to leap to wrong conclusions.

Im only saying maybe. Perhaps he is a loony. 

* Exploited, musically similar to Oi-style bands but politically opposed
- ref "Wanker" B-side of "Rival Leaders" e.p.
Crass, the record label, not the band (a vague distinction) produced an
e.p. and 16 page leaflet attacking Oi, Bushell, the NME, the media in
general, the government and lo-salt crisps. Name of the E.p. escapes me
for tyhe minute, but the usual fold-out poster had a kind of wine and
cheese party photo montage.

	Dave Roe
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From: micheal@felix.lib.csulb.edu (Micheal Wojciechowski)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion
Organization: California State University Long Beach Library
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:19:50 GMT

>I have a Bad Religion Video of them live in concert. It covers heeps 
>of their older stuff.

>I only recognize the song that are from suffer as this is the oldest
>B.R record that I have got.

>Does anyone know the video that I am talking about and if so what 
>record are the other songs from.....

I know the video you are talking of, I also have it.  I will post later if 
you'd like and list the songs and albums they are from.  I think a couple of 
them are from _No Control_ but I will double check.

Micheal


Newsgroups: osu.music,alt.music.alternative
From: lputnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam)
Subject: Chumbawamba?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:16:19 GMT

This band, chumbawamba, will be in chicago near the end of Sept. and I
wondered if anyone out there knew of any ohio dates. thanks. -L.
From: watts@csa3.lbl.gov (PAUL N WATTS)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TORI
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:12:04 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: watts@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <guest.61@dhhalden.no> guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:
>		       ____________________
>		       |Buy TORI WELLS!!!!|
>		       --------------------

Um, do you mean Tori Amos?  Tori Welles is a porn actress.  (Although maybe it
makes more sense that way...)
From: ljason@wam.umd.edu (L. Jason colton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Help me ID song...
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:40:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <3zanp-g@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>In <1992Aug24.155826.23315@leland.Stanford.EDU> burger@leland.Stanford.EDU 
>   (Scott Schlossberg) writes:
>>Hi there.  I am trying to figure out who sings a particular song I've heard on
>>the radio, but I've never heard the artist or the name of the song.  I'll
>>describe it:  there is a female vocalist, and the primary instrument is an
>>acoustic guitar (going pretty fast).  I don't remember most of the words, but
>>the chorus goes something like "This is a song for him..."  My original guess
>>is that this is Juliana Hatfield, but there is no song with a similar title on
>>her album (which I have only seen in stores).  I'd really like to know who
>>sings this and what it's called.

	The band is Sun-60, from Los Angeles.  A friend of mine was given
a promo copy of this single, "Out of My Head", and I listened to it and 
was also really impressed.  However, I got their album, (Sun-60, on Epic),
and didn't like it very much.  They are a duo, a man and a woman, with a couple
of other folks helping out.  Only one other song is nearly as catchy as the
single.  Unfortunately, another band in need of some seasoning.....


				hope it helps


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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: SubPop / SST Discussion
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:12:30 GMT

Mark sez:

>>I think Sup Pop basically became "the Seattle label" by default more than
>>by choice. Somebody probably heard Mudhoney, thought they were cool, and
>>proclaimed SP to be a Cool Label.

I dunno - I think it was on the strength of things like the Singles Club and
their compilations that Sub Pop really built-up a reputation.  I've been in
the Club since the start and there's few singles I don't like.  At least from
my perspective, Sub Pop found a niche and does a fantastic job with it - if
you like some of the stuff, I'd say that you'll like most of it.

>>SP and Creation, among other labels, have both put out
>>more than their share of utter schitt.

I can't think of examples of either.  Both Creation and Sub Pop releases
always impress me, or get indifference at worse.

> When was SubPop started and when was SST started?

SST was founded by Black Flag members (and is run by Greg Ginn, guitarist)
way back when they first started.  Sub Pop started up in 1986, really got going
by mid-1987, started by a writer for The Rocket, Bruce Pavitt, who wrote a 
column called "Subterranean Pop."

> In any case, you listed some SubPop bands that eventually migrated to
> big labels.  Howerver, it seems that SST made out a lot better on the
> bands they signed:
> 
> Buffalo Tom, Soundgarden, Sonic Youth, Screaming Trees, Husker Du, Black
> Flag, Dinosaur Jr., Negativland, Firehose,

Soundgarden started with Sub Pop.  Sonic Youth has been on about a zillion
labels, including Zensor, Neutral, LGW, SST, Homestead.  Dinosaur Jr. was
also Homestead.

> Of course, all they have left is Leaving Trains.

All they've done for the last half-dozen years is milk their back catalog,
releasing "best-of" compilations, live stuff, acoustic stuff, and other
garbage.  Sub Pop seems to be able to find new bands to sign - maybe Ginn's
awful reputation has scared away the bands.

> 2) SST bought Black Flag's catalog to solidify the label.  When did
> black flag begin and end?

Black Flag ~= SST.

Rob

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of DRIZZLE?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:11:37 GMT

In article <29660@ursa.UUCP> young@ursa.UUCP (Eric Youngblood) writes:

>Has anyone heard of a band named Drizzle?
>I saw them at CBGB opening for Julianna Hatfield
>and the Lemonheads, but have not been able to find
>out anything about them..

>Thanks,
>Eric

No, sorry!
G.H.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive,rec.arts.tv,rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
From: rutan@tanalo.larc.nasa.gov (David Rutan)
Subject: Toy Cows
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:31:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: tanalo.larc.nasa.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Greetings,

This past monday night during a dream sequence on the TV show Northern Exposure
the scene was backed by the song "Toy Cows in Africa".  I assume that this is the
title.  If anyone out there has any more on this track, Artist/Album/CD name etc. I'd appreciate hearing from you.

e-mail address is: rutan@tanalo.larc.nasa.gov

Thanks.

.....David Rutan