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From: Jens Alfke <jens_alfke@gateway.qm.apple.com>
Subject: Re: Ride [Jens' Top Ten]
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:07:32 GMT
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:07:36 GMT
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Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1993Jan05.145458.22963@rose.com> greg ipp, greg.ipp@rose.com
writes:
>And which album is their only good one, in your opinion? (how much of 
>their stuff have you heard?)

Having heard good things about Ride, I bought "Smile" (the US comp of
their first two(?) EPs) and wasn't too impressed. Okay psychedelic pop.
Then I saw them live, with Lush, and was blown away. So I bought
"Nowhere" (the US version with the extra tracks) which I consider one of
the finest albums of the 90s so far. "Going Blank Again", apart from the
excellent "Leave Them All Behind", sounds like more of their early stuff,
only more self-indulgent and drawn out. I mean, I enjoyed listening to it
but it disappeared from my CD player after a few weeks.

All my opinion, of course. I respect your right to love the album...

--Jens
From: ez003338@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Tara)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: WHO SINGS THIS SONG?
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:53:54 GMT
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yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott A Yanoff) writes:
: I have heard this song called:
: EMPTY PROMISES
: on the local alternative station...female lead singer...
: 
: Starts off something like:
: "Bye bye, hope I never see you...."

It's by Kristen Hall, and it's off her most recent album, _Fact and
Fiction_.  She used to be a guitar tech for the Indigo Girls. 

Tara
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: lal@halcyon.com (Laura Levy)
Subject: Soul Asylum on 120M
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:48:29 GMT

Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:19011 alt.music.hardcore:905
From: omer@surf.phys.tue.nl (Agnostic Omer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: John Wayne was a Nazi
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:14:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative

goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman) writes:

>>you know an address where this can be ordered from?  I cant find it anywhere..
>I swear I saw it in the latest Maximum Rock & Roll. #116 I believe.

	.... or you could consider buying the Millions of Dead Cops/More Dead
	Cops CD which is still available (in Holland anyway). 

	Talking bout MDC: don't you guys think they've turned into a shitty 
	band? They should have stopped after Smoke Signals. The albums after
	that one make it clear that MDC have stopped progressing. They are 
	still trying to sell records playing the same music. Have you ever
	listened to 'Hey copper,...' for example? That music just doesn't 
	do shit to me anymore.

	Omer



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From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3DQWBQQQ@cc.swarthmore.edu>, sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes...

>They were also absolutely brilliant live in their early days, putting on
>some of the best live shows i've ever seen.  Billy Zoom used to play these
>maniacal rockabilly/punk riffs while staring at the audience with an
>incredibly stupid grin on his face the whole time, as Exene whirled herself
>around the stage in a frenzy.  

Agreed.  I saw them at the Warner Theatre in DC after "Ain't Love Grand", and 
some friends of mine managed to talk to their tour bus driver.  The driver
had toted around quite a few Big Name Artists around, and he firmly believed
that Billy Zoom was the greatest guitarist he'd ever seen.  

Check out his oboe playing on their video.  An accomplished musician, for sure.

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we didn't meet his arbitrary standards.  Oh, and he had his Son offed when he
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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: new order / depeche mode tour?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:07:03 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


i heard rumours that these two groups would be touring this summer.

together, that is.

is this true?  can anyone give any information?

thanks - bob gaj
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: bakerc@shnext23.ucslabs.sfu.ca (Douglas Baker)
Subject: RE: Babes in Toyland
Keywords: Babes in Toyland
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:00:33 GMT

Babes in toyland have, I think, three albums out, although some could  
probably be considered E.P.'s Spanking Machine is really good, but then  
again, someone who's heard their new one may correct me. 

Anyways, you would probably like them, considering what you listen to. By  
the way, have you got a 7" Single by Green River, which contains two  
demo's? I recall seeing one in the past, and was wondering whether or not  
it is worth picking up.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (MAtt)
Subject: Cure B-Sides
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: bgsu
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:15:54 GMT

Any ideas on how to get any old Cure B-sides on CD, such as those included
on side B of the Standing tape?  Us CD collectors are really getting
shafted by Robert and Co., the tapes have always got something that the
CD's don't, and so meanwhile I must toil on with my incomplete collection. 
I heard about a rumored box set several months ago, but that could've been
a lot of B.S.

Any who help shall be lavished with love and affection.

MAtt
From: halo@tamsun.tamu.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NIN: Fixed - is it worth it?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:45:15 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <1993Jan12.153103.21061@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
<Just wanted to say thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about this disc.  
<Unfortunately, as I went out to buy it yesterday, I was informed that it only
<had one print run and is impossible to find now.  Hurm. Any word on a 
<re-issuing?
<Anyone have a copy they want to sell?

You've gotta be kidding!  I'm really amazed at how inaccessible it is for a
lot of you guys.  I remember hearing complaints that many couldn't get it when
it first came out and now you're telling me you still can't get it?  We've had
it here all over town since it 1st came out and there are still dozens of
copies at most every store.  The only reason I'm going on about all this is
'cause this is College Station... not exactly Mecca for alternative music.  But
I guess we don't do too badly.  A pretty decent import store here.  If you
like, I can get you Fixed.  I think it's selling for $6.49.

Oh, and about the person that mentioned that his sister said she had a CD with
tons of remixes of the same song... sounds like the Head Like a Hole CD single.

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From: IO21146@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (We're tiny, we're tooney.....)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Requests?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:07:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hi, I will be doing an alternative style radio show at the campus radio station
this semester. Except I have never really listened to Alternative music. I
know if anyone who feels like it could e-mail me or post a few of their
favorite songs or groups?
Thank you, I really appreciate it! :)

-Swiss
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Grant Barrett <gbarrett@missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: legal IDs & the Pixies
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:48:48 GMT
Organization: UM
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:46:32 GMT

legal IDs & the Pixies
These arent the coolest breakers in the world, but theyre a lot of fun.
Pixies played here in Columbia a while back. We put Black Francis in the
studio, slight reverb, and had him say
	UIf God is five, and the devil is six, then KCOU is 88.1 FM.j
The breaker starts out with the strident beginning to This Monkeys Gone
To Heaven, an overt attempt to lure some of our less alternative
listeners into the morass we call KCOU.
Another one of my favorites I did with Dizzy Gillespie. He played here
and I did an interviewed and taped him doing and ID for our station and
two other stations. I used his tune Night in the Tropics as the bed,
which starts out with horns, Udoot, doot, doot, DOOT doot, doot, doot,
DOOTj and then a low percussion tempo Ubud-duh-duh-duh bud-duh-duh-duh,
etc.j for around 20 seconds. Over the percussion Dizzy says UThis is the
Diz. Dizzy Gillespie, that is. And you in tune to KCOU, Columbia, 88 FM.
Aaaaaoow!j I edited in the yell from part of the interview when he got
really excited over the dope he was smoking with some people. The rest of
the message I put together from the interview and the actualy ID I had
him do, which he screwed up.
From: dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Ralph M Degennaro)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Bad Radio (Eddie Vedder's old band?)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:26 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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Hey all, this may be old news or info, but my sister just told me she
heard that Eddie was in a band called Bad Radio before Pearl Jam.
Anyone out there have any info on them?  

Later all......

Rio
dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu

p.s.  Are there any people out there that are interested in tradeing
	stuff from local bands, like 7" or demo tapes, or whatever?
From: menze@cs.arizona.edu (Ed Menze)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Babes In Toyland
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:20:08 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

There's a club in Tempe, AZ that is still advertising a Jan. 27th show
with Babes in Toyland opening for Faith No More, despite word on the
street that the Babes have broken up.  Does anyone know what the deal
is?  Have they agreed to do some final contractually-obligated shows
before calling it quits?

Ed
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: gene@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (eugene hopstetter)
Subject: Re: Alternative music.
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:14:51 GMT
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In article <1993Jan12.192842.7718@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>I didn't miss your point at all.  Your point is that you seem to feel you've
>taken up the banner from Milo as to some objective notion of "alternative",
>and what it does and does not include.

Who's Milo? Wait, don't tell me. I don't want to know... 

>Let me rephrase what I said, then.  If, in my judgement as a radio programmer
>I find I want to play Van Halen, because I have a reason for doing so, because
>it fits with what I am trying to communicate through my programming, then I'll
>do so.  If you don't like my reasoning, and you don't like it's implications
>for my programming, change the station -- or better yet, come work at the
>station and do a show of your own.

Cool. Where's your station?

>And in my experience everyone doesn't simply play "what they like."  People
>find all sorts of reasons for playing things, though programmers without "ears"
>are often not all that interesting to listen to.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I always play what I like, and only what I like. Okay, sometimes I'm forced
to play a lame request. Anyway, I play what I like, and I like, and so know,
enough music to program good shows. I like yr point about programmers "without
ears" -- I agree with that completely.

>Having snatched the flag from Milo, though, perhaps you'd like to mail us a
>weekly circular listing what we should and shouldn't be playing?

Well, I just dropped the flag. Mr. Milo can carry it in the orifice of his
choice. As for the weekly circular, I think you can plan your own shows. I 
certainly don't want anybody else planning mine.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Re: SST (was "U2 Negativland" shirts)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:28:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I believe that the point of the shirt is that SST promoted the
"Corporate Rock Sucks" slogan. However, when the big boys in the
form of Kasey Kasem and U2's record company and their respective
lawyers starting getting hostile about Negativland's parody record, SST
as Negativeland's record company, was, how can I say this,
was considerably less than supportive.

--Rob  spray@convex.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: HAPPENING LOCAL MUSIC SCENES
From: (becky)
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:51:36 -0600
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Distribution: world

 (Walt Maley) wrote:
> Granted all of these folks are amazing (read: among my favorites) but are any
> of them still in Minneapolis?  I thought Paul was now based in California and 
> Bob was in New York at last report.
   
   But they were all based in mn. at one time or another and I think Paul's
still doing some things out of the Twin Cities, but I could be mistaken.

   By the way, don't forget Nova Mob, Bash
> and Pop, Chris Mars, The Jayhawks, Run Westy Run, and any number of other
> Twin Cities talents.

      then there's The Willie Wisley Trio, ( the best band out of the
cities in awhile),former Babes in Toyland,(who I think sucked, but they
made a name for themselves), Walt Mink, Fat Tuesday, The former Libido Boys
(so they're from Mankato), and the list goes on 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> These guys are hardly new.  They have upwards of 5 albums, almost all of
> which are IMHO equal to or better than GDU (although I really do love that
> album).
    
  In reference to Soul Asylum, I know they're not new to the scene, but I
was referring to the fact that they're the new hot band out of the cities. 
Personally I like their older albums better anyway, but we won't get into
that.

 So there's my statements, again, on the local Mpls. scene, the best in the
country, that's for damn sure.
  peace,
    becky

"JESUS MADE ME SO, JESUS SAVE ME FROM, PITY, SYMPATHY, AND PEOPLE
DISCUSSING ME."
From: dsmith@castle.ed.ac.uk (D Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: sex pistols reformation
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:04:16 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University

Sorry,but im afraid its the Scottish Sex Pistols that have been playing 
London recently.But its a good chuckle, all the faves are covered pretty
well and the singer is a dead ringer for our John.Theres also the
Edinburgh -New York Dolls who are also supposed to be quite good blah,blah
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: "dan lynch" <dan.lynch@canrem.com>
Subject: bad brains in toronto
Reply-To: "dan lynch" <dan.lynch@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:23:09 EST

 I managed to catch the Bad Brains playing Friday (the 8th) at the Opera
House in Toronto.

 Some notes about the opening acts first.  It started with a group
called Mad.  Reasonably good rock/punk act.  Seemed to have quite a few
anti-religion songs.  The lead singer also had a Kurt complex (purple
hair over his eyes, scratchy voice).
 Now it gets strange.  They had a guy called Ed Large (yes he is) come
on and do a couple of hip hop numbers.  Um, okay, sure.  For some reason
I got the impression this guy was popular once.
 Next on was a rap trio called Shades of Colour (Color?).  I'm not
terribly into rap, but anything at that volume sounds okay.  The
highschool home-boy wannabees seemed to get in this, but for a largely
punk show I don't know.
 Up next were the Satanatras. If these guys ever play near you, check
them out.  Really good rock outfit with punk leanings.  They supposedly
have a album coming out soon (doesn't everybody).
 And, finally, after major tinkering with the equipment, the Bad Brains
came on.  I don't think the singer was HR, but I could be wrong.  The
only pictures of him I've seen are from album covers, but I'm pretty
sure it was a different guy.
 They played most of the usual songs (they didn't play In the Movies,
damn).  A couple I didn't recognize, but I don't have all they're
records.  There was no mention of new material, or new albums, or
anything like that, so don't expect anything from them soon.
 On the whole it was a good show.  The singer was the only one on stage
doing much jumping around, but most of us at the front didn't notice
anyway.  Not as dangerous as the Bodycount show, but I got pretty well
battered just the same.  :-).
 As far as I could tell, there wasn't much leadup publicity, just a
little note in the clubs section of the newspaper, so watch out for them
in your area.

Dan

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: atay@warp.UWaterloo.ca (Tay-man)
Subject: Re: very good b-sides.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:28:58 GMT

dx writes
> Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" was the B-side of her first solo
> single, issued in England.  A slightly different version went on to
> be a huge chart hit in the USA.

It may have been a hit, but IMHO "I Love Rock and Roll" hardly qualifies  
as a very good song.
From: IO91784@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (jennifer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: legal IDs & the Pixies
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:11:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Subject: i don't know why this stupid thing prints twice.
Message-Id: <IO91784.930108060507@maine.maine.EDU>
From:    IO91784@MAINE (jennifer)
To:      ya all
Date:    Fri, 08 Jan 93 06:05:07 EST

he walked her every day into a shady place
with her lips she said she said
hey paulie paulie
let's have a ball
hey paulie paulie
lit's ahve a ball...

... a big big love.

(i love all their stuff and made a id for the staton from a loop
of (part of) cactus... (will you take off your dress & send it to me..)


...put it on when i go lonely... put it on when i go lonely...
put it on when i go lonely...

          and my bud shane played DJ and said "you are listening
          to WMEB 91.9 in orono maine" and we sped up and slowed
          down his voice so it sounded real cool.  the whole time
          in the background:


 ..put it on when i go lonely... put it on when i go lonely... put
 it one when i go lonely....


anyone else for strange legal IDs?
jen
From: volinsky@thelma.stat.washington.edu (Christopher Volinsky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Janes Addiction Trivia and Q
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:18:15 GMT
Organization: Univ of Wash , Stat Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thelma.stat.washington.edu

I happened to see the video for "Classic Girl" the other night and was 
wondering a few things.  In the video, Perry and his woman (who is she?) are 
going through some sort of ceremony..it looks like a wedding ceremony but its 
kind of strange..like some kind of cult thing.  During the ceremony, the woman
has something done to her hand or arm, but the screen is blurred partially so 
we can not exactly see what is being done to her.  Does anybody know what this ritual is??? Or if they are 'legally' married??
Any insight would be appreciated.

Also, some trivia.  In the CD insert to "Nothing's Shocking"  there is a 
picture of Perry sitting down wearing mirrored sunglasses.  If you look closelyinto his glasses the reflection in them is of his naked body!!  Quite clever, 
I must say!! Did anybody else notice this??

CTV
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mr Congeniality Of 1967)
Subject: Re: Requests?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:46:53 GMT

In article <93012.150826IO21146@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Tale as old as time, Beauty and...... <IO21146@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Actually the reason I am doing an alternative radio show is because my major
>is journalism and I am trying to decide what part of it I want to go into,
>who knows if I don't like the music, I've never listened to it before. Anyways
>its there for educational purposes not just for someone who wants to do a radio
>show. Anyways I like to speak to people, I think I will like radio broadcasting

Um... if you like to speak to people - you *won't* like radio broadcasting...


"Hey - can you play some Pearl Jam"

NO!

"Hey man - when are you giving away Pixies tickets?"

I don't know!! And if I did I wouldn't tell you, you fuckin' creep.

"When's registration?"

What???

"Heeeyyyy, duuuddde... can you play some, um, um, Black Sabbath?"

Why - sure! <I now proceed to put the Melvins' 'Ozma' on the turntable>

"Hey - this ain't Black Sabbath..."

Grow up!


Sorry. It's catharsis, dontcha know.

Joshua H

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From: keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: "Sugar" shocker
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:27:02 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

Well, it had to happen sometime I guess......

Britains national FM channel, BBC Radio 1 FM, nominated Sugar's "If I
can't change your mind" as the single of the week on the peak time
Breakfast show. This means they'll be playing it  every breakfast
time. There was also a short phone interview with Bob Mould at his
home in New York, where he described "If I..." as "a simple country
song" (!)

Could this be the start of some well deserved commercial success for
Bob? I hope so. If it's not a hit, I'll eat my socks........


KDA
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