From: ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A)
Subject: Re: CHAPTER 3...
Summary: chill out!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Keywords: CHILL OUT! 
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.053042.22197@udel.edu>, awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes...
> 
>	How amazing! The self-proclaimed protectors in a.s.a.r have 
>come out of their ivory towers to attack the evil dragon Jeff and
>rescue anyone they deem in need of rescue...
> 
>	<retch>
> 
>	Will you people please get a grip on yourselves? 
> 
>	This group is not a closed therapy session... it is a newsgroup
>with a world-wide distribution.  Not everyone has to agree with your
>ideas and values.  If you start threads with topics that are about
>suicide and self-mutilation, you should expect that people will post
>follow-ups to what you say.  If you want your group to be so exclusive,
>I suggest sticking to email or mailing lists.
> 
>	I'm completely dumbfounded how some of you can say how much
>you don't want others to control your life, but you're more than willing
>to jump in and try to control someone else's life.  Yeah, yeah, you all
>say "He was going to hurt himself. It's our responsibility/right to
>step in."  No, it isn't.  There are other newsgroups for discussion
>of suicide (if someone wants to talk about it on the net)... when you
>start discussing it here, you have to expect others will respond with
>their own opinions.
> 
>	Did it ever occur to you that telling someone what they
>_shouldn't_ do will sometimes coax them to do it (esp. for someone who
>can't help but to remember all the things others told them they
>_shouldn't_ do... like tell anyone what was happening)???  Listen and
>talk, don't demand.  It's not your life so quit trying to live it.
>The last thing some of you need is another person telling you
>what you _shouldn't_ do.
> 
>	And just how do you people know that Jeff wasn't being
>sarcastic?  Since the written word can be interpreted in many ways, I'm
>sure Jeff could get a laywer to show that he was being sarcastic to
>show the person considering suicide that they were not thinking rationally.
>(Innocent until proven guilty, remember?)  With posts like Kibo's
>floating around as illustrations, I'm sure Jeff would not be convicted
>of anything.
> 
>	Some of you seem to be proving an old saying true, "The
>road to Hell is paved with good intentions."  How nice of you all to
>pass judgement on him so quickly without even knowing about any
>mail he may have send around the time of his post.  It's nice that
>some of you are willing to be there to support others who post and/or
>read here, but you are not every ASARers guardian.  If you don't
>like someone, either skip their posts or use a killfile.  Having some
>of you deputizing yourselfs as net-police gets very tiring after a while.
> 

I second this whole message here people..I remember when I called someone a
"Turkey"  I was flamed big time.  NOw people are really being "Nasty".  I
realize what was said was "Really Wrong"  and I took it up with Jeff personaly
via talk but after getting flamed like I did..THINK ABOUT WHAT  IS BEING SAID
HERE..Take off of here and let people get on with the healing! PLEASE....

                           -Linda-


>	If you don't like these sorts of interuptions (like the flame
>wars and namecalling) then simply don't respond to them.  No one
>forces you to read every single article. I'm bewildered by the
>hypocrisy of these self-appointed ASAR net-police... first you say you
>don't like flame wars or disruptions in a.s.a.r. and then you 
>purposely continue them!  Make up your minds and be consistant (if
>nothing else)...
>