From: noyes@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (tom noyes 283-4177)
Subject: Re: Massive Clinton-bashing
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.001313.26887@wam.umd.edu>, sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner) writes:
|> In article <=dl1!6g@rpi.edu> santos@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Sergio Santomauro) writes:
|> >dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
|> >
|> >>I must admit, I am appalled at the amount of sheer hyperbolic hatred at
|> >>President-Presumptive Clinton victory.
|> >>Of course, my bias may be showing, so I pause before claiming that we
|> >>Democrats are a more civilized lot.  Anyone agree?
|> >
|> >No I don't agree. Most people I talk to that voted for Bush are taking
|> >it graciously and it is you people who are being uncivilized. Have you
|> >read any of the postings in this group.
|> 
|> 	The people in the audience during Quayle's concession speech
|> 	were booing as he congratulated Clinton/Gore, and, amazingly,
|> 	Dan "Attack Schnauzer" Quayle was the one to quiet them.
|> 
        Well I don't know if it was telivised nationaly but here in
        Texas the democratic state chair person and two of her collegues
        had forks that they said were "to poke George ... he is done"
        as in well cooked. Hardly a good attitude. Yeah you Dems are 
        just a bunch of good guys. You shouldn't try to sterotype all
        young republicans as poor sports and I won't do you the favor
        of returning unkind remarks.


|> 	The young Republican crowd at the Rep. convention mistook NPR
|> 	reporter Nina Totenberg for Mary Tillotson, who asked Bush at
|> 	a news conference if he had had an affair.  They crowded
|> 	around Nina, asking if she had had an affair, and dogging her
|> 	all around the floor.  Nina said that she felt physically
|> 	threatened by them.
|> 
|> 	Young Reps. did their best to disrupt a Dem. speech outside
|> 	of the convention, yelling, jeering, etc.
|> 
|> 	Bush told the families of POW/MIAs to "sit down and shut up."
|> 	He called Gore "Ozone Man," and said "My dog Millie knows
|> 	more about foreign policy than these two bozos."  Plus, he 
|> 	employed Mary Matalin...enough said.  Then he had the nerve
|> 	to complain about "the ugliest year in politics."
|> 
|> 	The Republicans had Pat "wish-I-coulda-been-a-Nazi" Buchanan
|> 	as their KEYNOTE speaker, and had Pat Robertson accusing
|> 	feminists and working women of encouraging baby-killing,
|> 	witchcraft, leaving husbands, etc., and had several other
|> 	speakers spewing nauseating, bilious, hateful statements.
|> 
|> 	Someone who often contributes to my school paper suggested
|> 	that because ABC news showed Clinton's states in red, that
|> 	they were going commie.  Never mind that those same states
|> 	were blue on CBS, which he would have seen had he changed
|> 	the channel.
|> 
|> 	I personally have heard and read the statements of many
|> 	people who didn't like Clinton because of alleged affairs,
|> 	the draft and pot incidents of over 20 years ago; these 
|> 	people could say nothing else about him other than spout
|> 	the rhetoric of smear campaigns.  They took no initiative
|> 	to find out anything else about his record.  Then they
|> 	start spewing about "family values" and abortion, which
|> 	shouldn't be political issues anyway, instead of actually
|> 	putting any mental effort into thinking about the things
|> 	that are really bringing down this country, like poverty,
|> 	corporate greed, gov't corruption, trickle-down econ., etc.  
|> 
|> 	I submit that it is the Bush/Quayle campaign and its 
|> 	supporters who all along have been more uncivilized
|> 	than anyone else.  They're upset that Bush didn't win;
|> 	I can understand that.  I would have been upset if
|> 	C/G hadn't won.  But I truly believe that the B/Q crowd
|> 	would have been much nastier in victory.  I myself have
|> 	mostly refrained from pouring salt in the wounds, but
|> 	I must admit that I find it EXTREMELY hard.
|> 
|> >
|> >Furthermore the Clinton supporters I have talked to are afraid of the
|> >next for years. They get especially defensive when all I have to say
|> >is that the Dems have to take credit for what happens in the next four 
|> >years. They quickly respond by saying "Give him a chance?" I have not
|> >mentioned things going bad, they automatically make this assumption
|> >on their own.
|> >
|> >--- Sergio
|> >
|> 	Of course the Dems. have to take responsibility for the
|> 	next four years.  That is what Clinton has been saying
|> 	all along, that everyone has to take responsibility for
|> 	one's own actions.  This is the problem with Bush.  He
|> 	WON'T take responsibility for anything that has gone
|> 	wrong; instead, he tries to blame it all on Congress,
|> 	the media, the moon being in the seventh house, etc.
|> 	He wouldn't even fire John Sununu...he had one of his
|> 	sons do it for him.  The problem is that he is not a
|> 	Teflon pres. like Reagan seemed to be, and it backfired.
|> 	Clinton can't possibly fix everything wrong with the
|> 	country from the last 12 years...the best he can do is
|> 	to head us in the right direction.  It'll take MUCH 
|> 	longer than four years to put things right.
|> 
|> 
|> The Giver Goddess
|> 
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