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From: BOB@AENEAS.IMS.DISA.MIL ("Bob George")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: multisessions
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

#INFORMATION CONCERNING  Multisessions by Network Dynamics Corp

#I've been testing the product Multisessions versions 2.1.09 and
#2.0.15. I've experienced a fatal bug check while running both
#versions.
#I am running Multisessions on a VAX 6000-440 VMS version 5.4-3.

#Has anyone else had problems with Multiesssions?? What has been
#your experience with Network Dynamics??

#If you have used Multisessions, how long have you used it??

We've been running multisessions for about 2-3 years, here.  No 
problems until we hit VMS 5.5.  Then it would crash the system, but
I forgot what the error condition was.  This was on microVAXes up through 
VAX 8700's.  We got a shipment in friday that included version 2.1.xx. 
I'm not at the office and forgot the exact value of xx, but it was in 
above 10.  We skipped from VMS 5.4 straight to VMS 5.5 - didn't receive
any of the -1, -2, or -3 releases and had a few groups that wanted 
posix.  The only problem we've had with networks dynamics corp is there
unfriendly protection measures - you have to be logged in and run their
utility program to insert the security password and contact them at the same
time.  Not real easy in a classified environment without handy phones near
all the systems.   On top of that, it expires every year on about 10 
systems and for a while, they would only give passwords only valid for a 
month or two since they were expecting a new release, 'soon'.  Supposedly,
NDC's new president put an end to that policy.

#Are there products like Multisessions that are better??

When we evaluated multisessions, there were about two other vendors 
(clyde digital's is the only one I remember) with similar products.  
Multisessions was far and away the best of them - the others would 
periodically crash or hang either your terminal session or the whole
system.  There's also a couple of public domain programs - however,
being in a mostly classified environment, we can't run them.  BOSS,
I think is the name of one of them (check the info-vax monthly file
lists for the other names and locations).  Good luck.
                                    bob

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: richieb@bony1.bony.com (Richard Bielak)
Subject: DECNET question: how to tell a link is active?
Organization: multi-cellular
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:08:21 GMT

I have two programs that talk using non-transparent DECNET. I need to
find out if the link between them is active, without sending anything.

Is there a system call that will give the status of the link?
SYS$GETDVI doesn't seem to do it.

Any help would be appreciated. Please respond via E-mail, as I don't
read this group regularly.


...richie


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From: MCMAHON@AC.GRIN.EDU ("McMahon,Brian D")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Maximum number of parameters in a link command
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:32:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Says Tang Sammy <sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk!a00670
0@HPLABS.HPL.HP.COM>,

> $ link /map=ilpd /full /trace/nodebug/exec=$@ lpd.obj,-
>          config.obj,-
>          util.obj,-
>          cmd.obj,-
>          rcvjob.obj,-
>          showjob.obj,-
>          deljob.obj,-
>          sndjbc.obj,-
>          getqui.obj,-
>          llist.obj,-
> %DCL-W-DEFOVF, too many command procedure parameters - limit to eight
>          baseline.obj,-
>  inet.obj, lpd/opt, sys$library:ucx$ipc/lib
>  
> It seems that DCL has a preset limit on the number of parameters in
> a DCL command. If it's true, can I adjust it to fit my need?

The limitation is not in LINK.  Notice that your error message is coming
from DCL, not from LINK, and that it refers to a "command procedure."  I'll
bet that if you type SHOW SYMBOL LINK, you will find that it's defined to
execute some site-specific preprocessor.

You could just bypass the preprocessor (say LINK :== LINK and then you're
back to the unmodified LINK command) -- it depends on what it's doing.

You might also be able to get around the problem by fiddling with spacing
and quotes, so the same command is seen as fewer parameters:

$ LINK /MAP=ILPD/FULL/TRACE/NODEBUG/EXEC=$@ -
          LPD.OBJ,CONFIG.OBJ,UTIL.OBJ,CMD.OBJ,RCVJOB.OBJ, -
          SHOWJOB.OBJ,DELJOB.OBJ,SNDJBC.OBJ,GETQUI.OBJ, -
          LLIST.OBJ,BASELINE.OBJ,INET.OBJ, -
          LPD/OPT,SYS$LIBRARY:UCX$IPC/LIB

That's less visually attractive, but should be only five parameters, as far
as DCL is concerned.  Since I can't test this with your setup, I can't
guarantee that it will work, though.

Warning:  The whole answer depends on what the LINK pre-processor is
supposed to do, and how it does it.  You shoul contact your local system
support staff for more information.

Brian McMahon (BDM13)    <MCMAHON@GRIN1.BITNET>    <MCMAHON@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Postmaster / Acad. Software Support   Grinnell College Computer Services
Grinnell, Iowa 50112 USA   Voice: +1 515 269 4901   Fax: +1 515 269 4936

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Booting LAVC MVII from VAX 4 DSSI disk (Response)
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:15:08 GMT

In article <9209091158.AA24612@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SYSTEM_JM@UNODE1.NSWC.NAVY.MIL ("SYSTEM SUPPORT") writes:
>> Bob Boardman BOARDMAN@CANCER.UNM.EDU writes:
>>    Now we're having problems trying to get a LAVC clustered MicroVax II to
>>  boot.  After we finally got the queue manager running on the RF73 system
>>  disk, so that we could dismount & spin down the RA81's, attempting to boot
>>  the LACV'ed MVII would start the 2...1...0 countdown, but it would hang
>>  after the 2..., and decnet messages would spit out on the boot node - it
>>  was still insisting on booting from the RA81!. 
>>    So, how do we get the MVII to see the new RF73 disks and boot from them?
>
>It sounds like you need to run cluster_config.com on your cluster. Try deleting
>the old satellite first and then re-add it with the new disk information.

It sounds more like he's got the ALLOCLASS for the RF73s and his 4000 set to
zero (that's why the non-DSSI disks on the 4000 show up as CANCER$DU??).  What
he needs to do is set the ALLOCLASS for the RF73s and the 4000 to a non-zero
value.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: sysback@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: UCX 1.3 and MX 3.1
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:19:32 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The problem is corrected. Our nameserver entries were crossed at the PSC
They corrected the problem. Everything is working great. What threw us/them
was that we were getting a majority of our mail and only missing about
10% of it.

Thanks.


Anthony Spinillo - Tech Services
Marywood College   717 348 6215
Scranton, PA 19509
spinillo@marywood1.marywood.edu
From: dragon@NSCVAX.PRINCETON.EDU (Mighty Firebreather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: RS232 Test connector pinout?
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:18:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	Douglas W Murray 
<agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!uuisis!owl!doug@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 
writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Would anyone have available the pinout for the test connector that is used
>for loopback testing on a RS232 port?  I occasionally needed physically test
>some ports to see if they work well or not but other than shorting 2 to 3
>and doing a SET HOST/DTE sick_port, I do not beleive that I would be able to
>know if the other lines (such as dsr/dtr...) are fine or not.
>

	The pinout for a test connector depends on exactly what hardware 
you are trying to test.  DEC has supplied loopback connectors with 
different part numbers for: DMF32, DSRVB, and DMB32.

	You will either need to purchase the proper DEC part or invent your 
own.  Jumpering 2-3 is easy and obvious.  4-5 is as easy and almost as 
obvious but what are you testing and what are you going to test it with?  
RTS(4) and CTS (5) last had more or less standard usage back in the days of
half duplex FSK modems; there was a protocol for determining who would talk 
and who should listen.  You could also jumper DSR (6) and CD (8) to DTR 
(20), in fact you would have to if you enabled modem control on the port.  
Again, what are you testing and what are you going to test it with?

	The only software that I know of for testing serial ports is DEC's
diagnostic software for the hardware in question.  DEC's software will work
best, or only, with the proper DEC part or exact equivalent.  You could 
write your own, but what for?  Are you going to do component level repair 
of the port when you discover that, for example, it can't see CD from the 
modem?  All DEC would do would be to establish that the port was defective,
and swap out the board.  That's about all you will be able to do.

*************************************************************************
*                                                                       *
*                        Here, there be dragons!                        *
*                      dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu                      *
*                                                                       *
*                                                Richard B. Gilbert     *
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From: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: More fun with Autogen
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:42:05 GMT
Organization: UNISYS/Environmental Protection Agency

There is an article on DSIN that discusses this problem at length.

The best idea I read about there is to define the logical SYSMANINI
to NLA0:A.B before running AUTOGEN.  My suggestion is to create a 
front end like this:

In LOGIN.COM create a symbol AUTO*GEN:

$ autogen == "@sys$manager:autogen_front_end"

In AUTOGEN_FRONT_END.COM

$ define SYSMANINI NLA0:A.B
$ @sys$update:autogen "''p1'" "''p2'" "''p3'" "''p4'" "''p5'" "''p6'" "''p7'" -
	"''p8'"
$ deassign SYSMANINI

If you have a SYSMANINI normally defined, I suggest that you place it
in your JOB or GROUP logical name table.  
--
Bob Boyd                 
rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov 
Unisys/EPA               
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ncuster@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nate Custer)
Subject: rms sample code?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 17:37:08 GMT


would anyone possibly have some sample rms code they would consider
sending me?  i'm wanting to use integer keys (this would be indexed
rms stuff by the way).  any help would be appreciated.

nate custer 0224465@northwest.missouri.edu
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Known Image confusion
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:27:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	Here's a puzzler.  Anybody ever seen F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE and INSTALL this
	confused?

	$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=ALL
	$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE("DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE","KNOWN")
	%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
	\DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE\
	$ DIRECTORY DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE

	Directory DISK:[DIR]

	MYFILE.EXE;1

	Total of 1 file.
	$ INSTALL LIST/FULL DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE

	DISK:<DIR>.EXE
	   MYFILE
	%INSTALL-E-NOVER, no file version obtained for    MYFILE
	%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file

	        Entry access count         = 1

	$ INSTALL ADD DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE/OPEN/HEADER/SHARE
	%INSTALL-E-FAIL, failed to CREATE entry for DISK:<DIR>MYFILE.EXE
	-INSTALL-E-EXISTS, Known File Entry for a version of this file
	 already exists

	Now, an INSTALL REPLACE works just fine.  The annoying part is that my
	command procedure which is trying to install such a file tries to use
	F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE to determine if it should do an ADD or a REPLACE, but
	that seems unreliable as this situation demonstrates.  I'm also not
	sure how I managed to get MYFILE into this situation -- I'm not sure
	how to replace it.

	VMS V5.5.  Any tips or clues or suggestions or explanations?

You really are coming up with some interesting ones!  (Maybe we should start
a new NPR show, VMS Talk, with INCW and DECW the arithmetic brothers - you
could submit Puzzlers.)

Anyhow:  Here's a guess.  You INSTALL'ed an earlier version of MYFILE.EXE,
then while it was INSTALL'ed, you deleted it and created a new MYFILE.EXE. The
old file continues to exist (marked for deletion) since it was opened as part
of being INSTALL'ed.  VMS knows that the INSTALL'ed file is not the same as
the file in the directory, and anything you do that attempts to link the two
to each other will produce some kind of error message.

I can tell you that following this set of steps will produce exactly the
messages you see.  Whether there is some other way to get the same effect, I
can't tell you.
							-- Jerry
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DECUS library new items 9/2/92
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:37:25 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <9209092142.AA18155@relay2.UU.NET>, gleeve@galaxy.dnet writes:
> The following are available from the DECUS Program Library
> (DECUS Program Library, 333 South St., SHR1-4/D30
> Shrewsbury, Mass. 01545-4195, 1-508 841 4195)
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The telephone number given above has been disconnected.  The DECUS program order
number is:

        (508) 841-3502
-- 
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133

GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection.
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: UIS Sixel format
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:45:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I know I've asked this question before but I've since mislaid the
	response(s) I received and now I *really* need the info!

	First my configuration --

		VaxStation 2000
		VMS 5.5
		VWS 4.2 (or maybe 4.3)

	I need to redirect screen dump outputs to disk files (this I know how
	to do) and then convert the resulting files to other formats.  I need
	to know what the format of these files are.  I assume they are direct
	Sixel type files but from just eyeballing a dump output I can't get
	any feel for their format.  Any takers on this one?

They are, indeed, sixel files.  Very "vanilla" sixel files, in fact.

Sixel format is widely, and well, documented, and I don't propose to repeat
the documentation here.

The posting you may be thinking of is my recent (27-Aug) posting of sixjet,
a sixel-to-HP PCL converter.  It would really not be appropriate for me to
post it yet again.

	My address is pso@phobos.as.utexas.edu (just in case this news reader
	is not formatting the header properly).

Good move!
							-- Jerry

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: hamm@mprgate.mpr.ca (Rob Hamm)
Subject: Re: Kermit for VMS?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.135008.318@dct.ac.uk>, ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.125851.6964@exu.ericsson.se>, exubho@exu.ericsson.se (Blake Holman) writes:
|> > I am trying to get hold of kermit for VMS for a friend who is running
|> > VMS 5.0 on a Microvax.  He does not have a C compiler or pascal
|> > compiler - Does anyone out there know of somewhere where I can get 
|> > this kind of KERMIT?
|> > 
|> 
|> Send a mail message to fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu and ask for details
|> of C-Kermit 5A for VMS. It's in final beta test and will replace
|> kermit-32 as the 'official' VMS kermit. It's a considerably more
|> complete kermit than kermit-32.
|> -- 
|> 
|> Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
|> Dundee Institute of Technology	      Tel: (0382) 308810



Close. It's   watson.cc.columbia.edu.  You can pick it up via anonymous ftp. They
currently have two versions for VMS including version 5a which has support for 
sliding windows.


-- 
Rob Hamm
MPR Teltech Ltd.
Burnaby B.C. 
Email: hamm@mprgate.mpr.ca

   o
 _/\_>
O,> / O      Go fast, twist the wrist, use VMS

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Subject: Re: Tape drive allocated to non-existent process
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:56:11 GMT


In article <13SEP199220442931@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, uugblum@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (VMScluster Administrator) writes...
>In article <01GOGJAO6IR60001BH@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing) writes...
>> 
>>DEC has a program in CSC Patch #245 which fixes the problem.
>> 
>[Stuff deleted]
> 
>This problem is reported to be fixed in VMS 5.5-1.  CSCPAT_0245 is no longer
>required and is not supported.
> 

245 just contains a program to release the tape drive.  It does not contain
a fix of any kind.  253 contained the patches to prevent the problem.

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From: karin@zach.fit.edu (Karin Nicholson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: CSLG licensing of VMS
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:11:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

In article <01GNZV8LMJIQ8WWBRK@SIENA.BITNET> BIANCHI@SIENA.BITNET writes:
>Siena College recently looked into upgrading our Vax 6210 to a Vax 6320.  We
>believed that this could be done for under $10,000.00.
>Dec is considering this a new machine, not an upgrade.  Has anyone ever had
>this same situation occur to them?  Was there anyway around it? Any suggestions?
>
>Mitzi Bianchi

We ran into this wall about a year ago when we wanted to upgrade our VAX 8200
to an 8350 (no snickering in the back row...).  To get around this little
DEC gotcha, we ended up swapping the entire cabinet and transfering the boards
(NOT the CPU boards!) from the old to the new system.  The reason this works,
is because of a DEC technicality that says that the CPU and it's license go
with the serial number on the cabinet.

Some things to keep in mind when you do this:
1) Be darn sure that the machine you buy has the latest version of VMS, else 
   you will have to pay to upgrade.  The numbers for the upgrade are 
   proportional to the upgrade, so the older the version the more bucks you
   have to surrender to Uncle DEC.
2) DEC now charges a $300 fee for license transfer (we were lucky enough to
   miss this by a few months).  If the machine you replace your system with has
   the latest version, this should be your only cost.
3) Be sure, if you buy through a third party dealer, to get the Software
   Relicense Form and Software License Redesignation Form completed by the
   current owner of the system.  Be sure that the CPU DEC numbers are correct,
   else the transfer could take months, with DEC returning the forms for more
   info, etc.

If you have any more specific questions, please send me direct e-mail.  Good
luck with your upgrade!

-- 

 .-.|     |    |     | |     /------------------\    Karin Nicholson
 |  |-..-.|/.-.|-..-.|*|/   < karin@zach.fit.edu >   Academic Computing Services
 `-'| |`-'|\`-'| |`-'|||\    \------------------/    Florida Tech
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How many VUPS to 1 MIPS or how many MIPS to 1 VUP.
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:55:39 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <1992Sep3.111756.14@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk>, tscarpenter@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk writes:
> OK a easy question for all you Vax gurus,
> 
> I know what VUP stands for but what does it equate to.
> 
> For instance what is one VUP equivelent to in MIPS.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Darren Carpenter.
> -- 
> o-------------------------------oo========================================oo
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> | VAX/VMS System Administrator. || first time is nobody appreciates how   ||
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> | 1000 Aztec West,              ||                                        ||
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-- 
Darren,
 
A VUP is the computing power of a VAX-11/780. While I don't 
happen to have the chart handy at the moment, the 780 was also 
almost exactly 1 MIP. Thus, at least in a crude sense, 1 MIP = 1 
VUP. 
 
- Bob
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From: bandy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Mike Bandy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: System disk shadowing
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:34:59 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

TDIMARTI@BENTLEY.BITNET writes:

>All,

>I'm about to shadow my system disk, an RA90.  We have a VAX 6520 running
>VMS V5.4-2.  All other disks are already shadowed.  Does anyone know of any
>"gotchas" that I should be aware of?  My volume shadowing manual mentions
>that "standalone backup is incompatible with shadow sets"  What is the
>preferred method of performing standalone backups once the system disk is
>shadowed?  The volume shadowing manual is unclear on this.  My guess would
>be that I would boot from a "stand-alone" boot file which I must create.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>*******************************************************************************
>        Tom DiMartino                   TDIMARTI@BENTLEY.BITNET
>        Systems Manager                 Phone: (617)891-2675
>        Bentley College                 Fax:   (617)891-2444
>        Waltham, MA 02154
>*******************************************************************************


The only gotcha I can think of is if you are running a VAXCluster the quorum
disk can't be shadowed.  This is because the order in which the shadow members
are mounted is nondeterministic.  One VAX gets member 1, another VAX gets
member 2 and you have chance for a partitioned cluster.  The timimg would have
to be extrememly tight, but the chance exists nonetheless.

	Mike Bandy
	Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Lab
	bandy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu