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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:32:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.171952.9412@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@verdi.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
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>From: rszczerb@verdi.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
>Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
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>Date: 24 Jul 92 17:19:52 GMT
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>In article <1992Jul22.191944.3650@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>>
>>Ha ha ha, ND isn't a football factory? Ha ha ha I can't help it this just
>>really breaks me up. That's like saying UNIX doesn't relate to computers, or
>>GM doesn't make cars. Ha ha ha...... That's a great one he he he he.......
>>
>>John
>>-- 

>Notre Dame is far less of a "football factory" than some other
>schools which I won't mention at the moment.  ND actually expects
>their athletes to have REAL majors (no majors in basketweaving, or Phys-ed).
>They also expect their athletes to graduate in 4 years just like
>any other student at the University.  ND's academic standards are
>significantly higher than the NCAA's so a player may be allowed
>to play by NCAA standards but ineligible by ND's standards.  Many of
>Notre Dame's players make it to the pros, but they are all students
>as well.  ND's starting Center this year is a Junior in Mechanical Engineering
>with over a 3.6 GPA.
>I'd like to ask why you think ND is just a "football factory".



> 	
ND is indeed a FFF which is a DAME shame since it is a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. 
Please do not take this as a racial view but how does someone name ISHMAIL
(or something like that) end up at a CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY?  Not to mention 
all the black atheletes that go there?  I'm not saying that there is 
anything wrong with black Catholics, but shouldn't you be Catholic, or at 
least be in the true process of converting to Catholicism?
just a thought
 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:14:29 GMT

Mark Mitchell writes:

>WV may have been #3 going in rather than #4 (in fact I think it depends
>which poll you look at), but Miami was #2.

Ah yes.  I remember now.  Miami wanted a rematch with Notre Dame but Notre dame
refused.  And why not?  They had already beaten Miami once . . .

>  Hence the BA would have
>set up a Notre Dame-Miami rematch instead of the WV-Notre Dame defacto
>championship game.

Isn't there an explicit term in the bowl alliance which excludes the 
possibility of rematches?  If not, there should be.  The only way rematches 
should be force in post-season play is in a tournament.

>  (Who knows, though, the BA may actually influence
>the voters now that it is in place.  People might have been more apt to
>rate WV #2 that year if they knew it would lead to a matchup of unbeatens
>in a bowl game.)

I'll bet this is the case!

     - Pat
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From: sal@iti.org (Sascha A. Linn)
Subject: Re: 1992 Michigan Schedule info needed
Keywords: Go Blue
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:52:56 GMT

kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:

>In article <15B5IZI@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de>, sharaeec@w215zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Aditya Sharma) writes:

SCHEDULE STUFF DELETED

>|> 		-is there *ANY* way for normal mortal humanoids to come
>|> 		 about tickets for Michigan games...if one isn't resident
>|> 		 in the area?...

>Try buying them at the gate.  Michigan season tickets themselves are usually
>sold out.  Also, student tickets (usually bought for $10 each in a season 
>package) don't require a student ID to get in, so you could buy one of them 
>and use it.  Most students I know that wouldn't attend one of the less 
>attractive games sold their discounted ticket for about the same as what 
>you'd pay at regular price (~$20).  If you're looking to go to one of the 
>bigger games, then you can expect to probably pay more.  But I have always 
>seen tickets for sale around the gates.

One small problem...Last year the UofM Ticket office issued the
student tickets in a book form.  the problem with the book is that
individual tickets cannot be removed without voiding the ticket.
The part of the book that cannot be removed has the seating info on
it.  While most students disregard the seating arrangements anyway,
you DO have to show your ticket to the checkers at the section
entrances and again to another checker who tells you to go up or
down.  Of course, where you go after that is up to you...Anyway, the
point is that the UofM really cracked down on student seating last
year.  they even went so far as having three or four cops at each
section entrance who roamed up and down the aisles looking for those
deadly weapons of destruction...MARSHMALLOWS!  I even saw one guy
get spread out and handcuffed for throwing marshmallows in the cops
face when he came to take them away.  The best part of this was
watching the UofM cops (sure, their real cops...) fawn all over the
Ann Arbor Police (Can you say pistol envy?).  Well, I've gone on
long enough.  

				C-YA!
				Sascha Linn :-)
				sal@iti.org

P.S. - If you need tickets, there are always "scalpers" outside the
stadium before games.

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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Re: Computer Prediction for the Big 8 Conference
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:39:01 GMT

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:

>In article <2778@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>>Here is my computer's prediction for the Big 8 Confernece (happy Scott? :-)
>>Again, home team in CAPS:
>>
>>4. Colorado (8-3,4-3):
>>
>>oklahoma       over COLORADO       by   2                   
>>NEBRASKA       over colorado       by   8                   
>>KANSAS         over colorado       by   2                   
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>While it's possible that CU might lose to both Oklahoma and Nebraska, I
>can't see how this can happen... This years CU team didn't lose many of
>many of the starters from last year. Also, CU has out-recruited all the
>big-8 teams in the last couple of years.

>Then again, I doubt whether Oklahoma could do it... after all, CU isn't
>another Virginia. I'd say 10-1 is more likely...

>Njan

Just proves what happens when you give the job to someone who lives near
Ga. Tech. 

I'm up FOUR another Big 8 title!
Shoot....I better go buy stock in the orange business.
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:48:51 GMT

tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.173757.8933@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:

>>Not necessarily.  Many states make it illegal to sell alcohol on state
>>property.  Since many of the ACC schools are state schools I can
>>understand where they do not allow the sale of alcohol in the stadiums.
>>

>Just out of curiosity, are you saying that there is no place on campus
>where you can go to get, say, a pizza and a beer?

I can't remember any places on Campus at A&M or Tarleton State U.(a part
of A&M) that had alcohol on campus.  However, I think there were a few dorms
that were almost taverns! :)

Have things changed since 87' at TAMU?

There's always the chicken across from the campus though.

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
Hoping for a second shot at the 'noles. :):)

>Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu

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From: msg@DSG.Tandem.COM (Maitreya Sengupta)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:49:47 GMT

In article <9921@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.194043.20234@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
|> >David Poore writes:
|> >>Seminole, Illini, or even Chiefs. But, Redskins is an obvious racial
|> >>slur, and I would think very offensive to a Native American. AIM hasn't
|> >This is interesting and I have often wondered just what AIM thinks about Miami 
|> >University using the name Redskins.  I believe they use the nickname witht he 
|> >full support of the Miami Indians.
|> 
|> I don't know about Miami University. I do know that AIM has protested
|> the use of the term Redskins by the pro team. I believe they had a
|> number of demonstrations outside Redskins games last year.
|> 
|> Personally, I don't see the difference between "Redskin" or "Nigger" or
|> "Wetback" or insert your favorite racial slur. (No offense intended to
|> any of our Hispanic or African American readership) Redskin was
|> historically just that: a racial slur.
|> 
|> It may be that since Miami, apparantly like FSU, has the support of the
|> Tribe in question, AIM doesn't get involved. I do recall vaguely some
|> exchanges between Chief Billie of the Seminoles and the current leader
|> of AIM (don't recall his name), but don't remember any details. 
|> 
|> Other teams would be Stanford, who used to be the Indians? And recently
|> there was another school that changed its name...a smallish school that
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
|> has success in basketball...Xavier maybe?
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Are you thinking of Eastern Michigan by any chance? I know they used to be
called the Hurons, but they decided to change that name, and actually spent part
of last year without any official nickname. I think they have finally decided on 
'Eastern Michingan Eagles'. BTW I personally think that they are better known for 
hockey than for bball....

Regards;

Maitreya Sengupta.

|> 
|> David Poore
|> poore@ds9.scri.fsu
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From: kcastro@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Rutgers Stadium (was Re: LIST: IA Football Stadiums (1 of 2))
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:42:28 GMT
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Jim Black wrote the stuff in >:
  Mark Mitchell wrote the stuff in >>:
> 
> 	The criteria was.  The stadium must be IN a city - not in the 'burbs.
> And it must be a major city - top 25 in population.

Bitch mode *ON*

AHHH, some selective memory on the part of James R. Black -- as a refresher,
James R., here's how you started this thread:

jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) wrote:
}
}       I once saw stats about metropolitan-area college football attendance.
}If my memory serves me, UCLA and Pitt were about the same, Miami was on
}top w/ 50,000 avg. and Minnesota, Northwestern, Temple, RU, were in the
}20,000-40,000 category.  Face it, college football is for people who have
}nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon in Hickville...er Columbus!

The Rose Bowl was in Pasadena even way back when you wrote that!  Northwestern
is in Evansville, not Chicago, Rutgers is in NJ, though they occasionally
play in Giants Stadium (also in NJ, not NYC) blah blah blah.   In that vein,
everything Mark Mitchell wrote is correct.

Please don't flame people for using criteria you set.

Bitch mode *OFF*

Anyhoo, FYI, Husky Stadium is IN Seattle, the LA Coliseum (USC's home field)
is IN LA, Sun Devil Stadium is smack in the middle of Tempe, which borders
Phoenix, UCLA is "out" in Pasadena, which borders LA city limits, Memorial
Stadium in Berkeley is a maximum of 3/4 mile from the Oakland city limits and
is fewer than ten miles from the San Francisco city limits.  Of all these
stadiums, Boulder is the one farthest from the local "major" city.

> 
>>Alabama (75,000/game in Birmingham), Washington (71,000/game in Seattle),
> 
> 1. Not a major city.  2. Is Wash. stadium IN Seattle?
> 
>>Southern Cal (71,000/game in LA), Miami (FL) (62,000/game in Miami),
> 
> I'm not sure about SC.  Miami is wrong.  They don't average 62k
> 
>>Arizona State (61,000/game in Tempe), UCLA (54,000/game in LA),
> 
> Is ASU is downtown Tempe?  UCLA is out in Pasadena.
> 
>>Colorado (52,000/game in Boulder), Kal (51,000/game in Berkeley).
> 
> Sorry, Boulder is not Denver and Berkeley is not oakland.

--kathy
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: fans (was ND fans)
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:26:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <55625@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:

>And since coming to Indiana and being around more ND fans, I'm seeing
>more poor behavior.  (My first year here, I watched t.u. beat Purdue
>in the b-ball tourney.  Through no obnoxious behavior of my
>own--except maybe an excited "yeah" or a clap--a couple of PU fans
>threatened to "beat the shit" out of me.

Well, that's because basketball is a religion in Indiana.  :-)

But don't come off acting so damned high-and-mighty.  I've seen Texas fans
get pretty hot about the Oklahoma game (and vice-versa), and I hear a lot
more about problems in Little League games down in the Southwest, as far as
parents getting on the refs, etc...  [don't dispute this, because I'm down
in the Southwest this summer].  Fans act like this about everywhere.  I
wonder what would happen if one wandered in the wrong bleacher section
during a Texas High School football game, and began cheering for the other
team.  Besides, isn't Texas the home of the lady who was going to shoot the
mother of a girl who was beating out her daughter for the cheerleading
squad?

I have nothing against Texans, but don't you come off and start insulting
Indiana people for something residents of your home state are just as
guilty for doing.

I wonder if Steve Chapin modeled the "Boilerweenie" after you...
-- 

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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:18:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I believe that John T. said that ND sucks, and someone responded with
some quip that ND beat certain Fla. teams.

To say that a team "sucks" does not necessarily mean that that team
loses; "sucking" may describe the general unsavory nature of the team
or its coach or its fans.

In baseball the Dodgers suck as do the Indians: the Indians because
they lose, and the Dodgers because they are the media's boys.  

Similarly ND and Miami suck because they have become media events
rather than, or in addition to, being football teams.  Their fans are
graceless in winning--they ramble on and on about themselves along
with the media.  

Oh, and about football factories . . . most of the schools are.  At
least when people think of UCLA, USC, tu, Minnesota, Penn St., and
others, they think of good academic schools, too.  How much of ND's
television contract goes back to some other, non-athletic part of the
school?

Schools that suck (please emend with your contributions):

ND
Miami
Ind. U.
BYU
SMU
Ohio State (woodiness is suck itself)
Mich U.
FSU
GEorgia
Auburn
Georgia Tech
Colorado
OU
Nebr.
Rice
t.u.
purdue  (anybody who hires Akers . . . .)
LSU
all corporate sponsored bowl games, esp. the MSF&G, the Blockbuster
bowls
all teams that used tear-away jerseys
teams that put players' names on the jerseys--whaddaya think the
numbers are for?!!!
Arkansas--pick a home stadium!!

any school that pays its coach more than $150,000 per year--it's
friggin' game!!

Creeping towards suck-dom:

Washing. U.
Florida
Pitt
Ok State
Kansas
 
the PAC-10
the SEC
the Big 10 (or is that 11)
La. State Univ.
William & Mary
Columbia




Gary Beason
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:19:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.135949.11377@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <63836@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>rszczerb@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>>}
>>}They have problems just like any other school ... but the facts are 
>>}that:
>>}
>>}Notre Dame does not "redshirt" freshmen.
>>
>>I'm not sure I see what is so noble about this.  In an ideal world, it seems
>>to me that freshman would not play varsity sports at all (like it used to be
>>in the NCAA) in order to have a year to adjust to college life, get some
>>core courses under the belt, adjust to the extra rigors of college ball and
>>practice, etc.  Now obviously schools which redshirt players are not doing
>>so for these reasons, but it has the same net effect.
>>
>>So why is it so great for Notre Dame to not redshirt?  I think they do it
>>as a recruiting tool, and because they have such an embarassing pile of
>>talent every year that they simply don't need to.
>>
>>-- 
>>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>>
>>                  "I came; I saw; I got blowed up." 
>
>
>Notre Dame does not redshirt freshmen for the simple reason
>that they are not a football factory (like some other schools).
>NOtre Dame tries to graduate it's student/athletes in 4 years,
>just like any other student at the school.  
>    
>The reason why this was even mentioned is that while most
>other schools "red-shirt", ND still remains very competitive
>against these teams, playing with "true" freshmen".

Ha ha ha, ND isn't a football factory? Ha ha ha I can't help it this just
really breaks me up. That's like saying UNIX doesn't relate to computers, or
GM doesn't make cars. Ha ha ha...... That's a great one he he he he.......

John
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.164540.6804@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <63836@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>rszczerb@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>>}
>Here's the theory.  Notre Dame does not want football to influence the
>life of the student any more than necessary.  Most freshman redshirting
>				   ^^^^^^^^^

What a crock, and I guess that goes for the coaches too right? Yeah I can hear
the coaches talking to the freshmen players now "we don't want football to
have too great an influence on you son but just don't lose more than one or
two games a year understand boy"?

Does that theory hold true for coaches at almighty U also? Is that why a 4-8
coach gets fired, because there is no emphasis on football at Pious U?

Inquisitive minds want to know. :~)


>--
>		Peter Reiher
>		reiher@ashby.cs.ucla.edu
>

John
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Keywords: Head for the mountains.
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:06:09 GMT

I went to a small Division III school.  We didn't have concessions of
any kind; however, a keg would often be brought in for public
consumption.  Groups would also bring in sixes, cases, etc.

==Ken