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From: spm1@rruxc.uucp (25674-owens)
Subject: Re: GUJJU JOKES v/s OTHERS
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:59:26 GMT

Holly Cow! Of late, rebuttals to GUJJU jokes have lost its "Sanskruti".
It's not in fashion to use FOUR letter words on Net, specially in a news group
titled "Soc.CULTURE.Indian." Some of the entries belong to "rec.porn.vengeance."

There's a key on your keyboard called "N" (as in Shift-N). Please use it if you
feel offended by the title. 

My recollection of the so-called "GUJJU" jokes goes back to 1956. I was in 
BARODA, then. At Rosary School, the pre-KG non-gujju kids used to tease
the Gujju kids "Su che, saro che, danda leke maru che" and "Maro naam Asok an
Taro naam Mahes". 

Some Gujjus that I've come across (specially in Baroda, Bombay and USA 
surprised?!) have this problem of saying "sa" for "sha". e.g. The guy's
name is "Ashok-bhai", but he calls himself "Asok-bhai", or the gals name is
"Asha-ben", but she calls herself "Assa-ben". However they spell their names
"AsHokbhai" and "AsHaben". I even know some Gujrathi/Gujrati speaking folks,
who went to schools that stressed on good English pronunciation, who tell GUJJU
jokes.

In the 60s/70s Bombites (people from Bombay), got tired of Sardarji, Pollock
and Parsi jokes. So they invented "Asok Saa" jokes. Jokes on "tion-to-son" words
like "Complicason" for complication, "Notason" for notation, etc. You name a
"tion (shion)" and our-man Asok Saa had a "son" for it.

Asok Saa's second problem was saying "za" for "jya". e.g. the infamous 
"confuzon" for "confusion" (k*n-'fy{u:}-zh*n)

In the 80s we had "Ketchup", "Lok", "_hore-licks"(W intentionally dropped), etc.

Basically we Indians (North, South, East, West & Central) have funny accents
anyway, ask any Britisher or American. 

Well, Metopolitan Bombay (Aamchi-Mumbai, Zindabad!) has its own beauty.
In Mumbai you come across people form all over India and learn to live with
their idiosyncrasies. e.g. Some Marathi speaking folks would love this:
"Phoolish Phellow, I told you Phorty-Phiew times, but you still can't Phollow 
directions" - How about that. 

I also knew this fellow (Phoolish Phellow?!) who transliterated "Mujhe Angrezee
Nahi Aati hai" into "English doesn't come to me."

Some Southerners say "Hey-ch" for "H". And some Northerners say "Loin" for
"Lion" and "Tyota" for "Toyota". We all have read plenty of Sardarji
jokes, Ajit jokes (Northern accent) and Parsi jokes too on s.c.i.

There's nothing wrong in cracking jokes about your own folks. Come on now,
face the facts. Don't have a Cow Man! just take it with a pinch of
salt and relax. 

Have fun on s.c.i.

Saam-Bhai
(Ooops, Shyam)
From: mvishnu@bbcr1.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: TAMIL NADU / LTTE / IPKF
Originator: mvishnu@bbcr1.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:26:04 GMT




Some one mentioned that LTTE is smuggling narcotic drugs in the west
is an OPEN SECRET.

Could that someone please tell me where he/she got that information
from ? (Any non-indian news source is fine)

How did the officials determine that the smuggler was a LTTE
member ?


Aside:

Some Indians, as evident from there postings on TN/IPKF/LTTE seem to have 
the idea that since India is a big country, it can bully its neighbors as
it pleases and that the affected people should just keep quite.

Well wake up guys!  This is the age of guerrilla warfare, where 
unrightous big ugly aggressrors are beaten by small armed forces

US by Vietnam, USSR by Afghanistan, and  IPKF by LTTE.

Meenan Vishnu
From: ketha@ee.mcgill.ca (KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.asean
Subject: soc.culture.tamil
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:03:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Apr15.230352.1214
Organization: Undergraduate UNIX Lab, EE, McGill University
Originator: ketha@nermel.EE.McGill.CA





 > Krishna raj
 >Since tamils are scattered throughout the world and many of them seems
 >to be neither citizens of india nor sri-lanka, why not we create
 >soc.culture.tamil.international

 >Why not we start discussing about this from today-Tamil New year day.


 >Krishna raj


  An excellant idea I ever read in s.c.s-l.
  I was thinking about it for long time.
  As I am new to .soc I didn't want to start it.
  we urgently need a news gruop soc.culture.tamil
 
  I don't think s.c.i and s.c.s-l are the the proper
  news gruops to disscuss our glorious culture,history and our 
  greatest language.
  
  I stop reading articles in s.c.i because there were many
  hatred and untruthful articles posted against Sl tamils.
  Many TN tamils and Sl tamils don't like each other now a dayS.
  Can  we stop our historical relationship for these people?
  
   In addition there are millions of tamils live out of india
  and Sri-lanka mainly in East asia ( Singapore,Malasia,Indonesia
  and burma) Europe, Australia and North america. We shouldn't 
  forget them.
 
   We all are simply Tamils or Thamizhar. The boaders of the
   countries can't separate us. Raj keep it up. My whole support
   is behind you. 

   Thamizharkazhe Thirandu Vaarungkazh
   Naam Ellaam Onru Kooduvoom.

  
   (Ketha) Nannithamby Ketheeswaran : Proud to be a THAMIZHAN
From: dhruv@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Shamita Dhruv)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Question about The CIty of Joy
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:22:55 GMT
Reply-To: dhruv@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Shamita Dhruv)
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

HI! I haven't seen the City of Joy yet.  I hesitate to see it mainly because
I do not like the idea that the Western world always has to "save" the people
of "poor" Asia and Africa.  Both of these continents have brillant scholars.
So why is it that in most English and American films, we (Indians) always need
the English/Americans to save us from our plight in life?  

Anyway, this is the feeling I get from the reviews I have read.  If my 
inference is incorrect, please let me know.  I hope the film shows more about
India than its dependance on foriegners. 

		Thanks,
			Shamita
From: murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MAMA'S BOYS HAVING A GOOD TIME IN THE U.S.
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:08:22 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division

In article <3401@screamer.csee.usf.edu> bhate@graphite.csee.usf.edu (Neeta Bhate) writes:
[deleted]
>I agree with the above completely. I have come in contact with  numerous
>such wimps. 

Strong words, and perhaps understandable, given the
unfortunate experience, yet.. 

> 
>What these men need to ask themselves is the following : Would they
>approve of another guy doing the same to thier sisters ?

Probably not. But why are you expecting consistent and
moral behaviour from specifically Indian men? Does this
repulsion from Indian men lead to the belief that OTHER
men are any better? And in any case, your question is
needlessly loadled. Its like those questionnaires that
ask things like: "Are you against needless cruelty towards
animals?". What answer do you expect?
> 
>I personally know of one case where this smart aleck Mr X (just to be
>polite) went out with this Indian girl for two whole years (TWO WHOLE
>YEARS) and then one fine days calls her up (doesn't even have the guts
>to face her) and tells her he can't marry her because she he not from
>the same caste -- GIVE ME A BREAK -- Did this just suddenly strike him
>-- that they are not from the same caste!! So Mr goody two shoes goes
>home, gets married to a girl who is not half as good looking, smart or
>educated. But check this out-- the wife has the same name as the Indian
>girlfried he dumped. What a coincidence !!! Now to top it all off he
>comes back and tells the ex-girlfriend-- Well, atleast she has your name !!
>The jerk. 

If you really want to get picky, I happen to know a case where my
friend got ditched by his girlfriend of four years
because "he was not of the right religion". Now what?
We all know such stories, but it proves nothing. It
happens that caste-pallu-tugging-parental-pressure
might be the lethal combination for this case. Have you
drawn a general conclusion? Perhaps in other cases, it
might be non-Catholic-wrong-ethnicity-poor-family.
Please be fair and concentrate on the individual case.
There is no genetic proclivity that Indian men have
towards the behaviour that you describe.

Such bitterness can lead to a lifetime of irrational
distrust and hostility towards, in this case, Indian
men and corresponding unhappiness.

I suggest a case by case approach. Just my opinion.

Regards,
   Vasudev
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murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com   my own  and have nothing to do with
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From: vikas@newton.csc.ncsu.edu (Vikas Trehan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New Immigration laws and F1->H1->GreenCard. Help!!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:21:10 GMT
Organization: NCSU Department of Computer Science (newton.csc.ncsu.edu)

Hi There!!

Question # 1 :  What are the legal steps involved in changing from 
	      	Practical Training to H1 and then to GreenCard? 
Question # 2 : 	Is there a time period one has to stay on H1 before 
		applying for GreenCard?
Question # 3 : 	Is any of the step affected if one goes directly to H1
		i.e. skipping Practical Training?

I know this topic has been discussed a lot earlier. So I would 
appreciate if somebody can either post the summary on net or send a copy 
to me. 


Thanks 

Vikas 
(vikas@newton.csc.ncsu.edu)

-- 
        Vikas Trehan 			I too had thoughts of
    N.C State University           	being an intellectual,
  vikas@newton.csc.ncsu.edu             but I found it too
    (919) 859-5289 (H)  		difficult.  -- Albert Schweitzer
From: arora@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: soc.culture.indian.looking_for
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:50:53 GMT

What about the idea of having a seperate news group called
soc.culture.indian.looking_for
I am sure that this will be a popular news group and it is certainly
in big demand.

____________________________________________________________________________
								4.14.1992
							arora@ecs.umass.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:43:56 EDT
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IV: Conflict: To teach them a lesson.

In article <odv=ECe00VB=411UVt@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Arun K. Gupta"
<ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:

>
>In an investigative report on the Meerut riots of 1982 submitted to the
>Minorities Commission, Mr. N.C. Saxena, the then Joint Secy. of the
>Commission, says that on the murder of a Hindu drug addict under
>circumstances where communal motives were not certain, the district
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>administration made up its mind to teach the Muslims a lesson, and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>everything else followed from this decision.
>
>

In different contexts, the phrase "to teach them a lesson" occurs
so frequently in administration's vocabulary that many of india's
present day problems could be attributed to this single mentality
of bureucracy and politicians alike. Besides the quoted example of
hindu/muslim conflicts some well known and glaring examples are:

The home ministry officials have been teaching kashmiris and sikhs
a lesson for last ten years.

The foreign ministry officials wanted to teach Nepal a lesson by
imposing a economic blockade on a land locked country.

Rajiv Gandhi edged on by foreign ministry officials wanted to teach
first Sri Lanka and then LTTE a big lesson for not listening to the
big brother.

Even the Punjab problem was started in the mode of Mrs. Gandhi wanting
to teach Akalis a lesson.

In bihar many cast based mass murders are committed just in the name
of teaching them a lesson.

When Karunanidhi was in power he was teaching Jayalalita a lesson and
now the shoe is on the other foot.


So you see this tendency of "teaching them a lesson" is due to the diff-
erential between the ruler and the ruled. It is known that, power corrupts
and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The same rule applies for power
differentials in all over the world. And many big wars have been fought
over just a matter of "teaching them a lesson" !

In indian context: many levels of the government seem to have almost
absolute powers in their hand and they continue to use it merely for
teaching them a lesson. The physical brutality by the police at a
lower (level) is simply a menifestation of the mental brutality practi
-sed by the central administration on many state governments and its
people. Now that a liberal, open and outward looking budget has been
passed to take care of the economy for atleast a year. What are we
waiting for in demanding decentralization in the overall structure ?

Perhaps a nod from "India Today" to remind our so called "middle class"
tendencies that all is not well. And merely opening up the economy will
not change the "teach them a lesson" attitude of our ruling elite.

regards..            Deepak


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Response to INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.144705.15758@gatech.edu> niru@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>I agree with the reply Sudhindranath Sira G has
>given to Rahi Potturi's justification for this
>attitude  of men. In a few words, arranged marriages
>are just more like BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS rather than
>the sensitive and beautiful relationship a marriage
>is supposed to signify. Most people prefer following this
>due to being conventional (and repeat !) not daring
>enough to try something new.

You mean homosexuality? Or, is that too daring for you?
( You don't suppose there are no Indian man/woman who is
homosexual, do you? )

I find it funny to see people giving so much self importance to
themself... like the liberated wymen seems to give themself. I
am yet to see a post by a guy in the net about how bad/boring
Indian women are ( that is, excluding GWC's spoof of the IIW's
post, which the latter was unable to understand... no no , you got
me all wrong.. I'm not hinting anything about the intellectual
abilities of Indian wymen in general... ) The IIW's, on the
other hand, seems to come up with "gems" like 99% of Indian
men are so... which got me wondering... 99% indian men are a
lot of men... hmm... on a rough estimate it comes to nearly
450 million men!!! WOW!!! Even Lord Krishna, a demi-god with
unlimited powers, had only 16008 women!!!

>Sudha Neelakantan's point that " Indian men are really too
>difficult to date" is basically due to this same attitude.

If the above figure is right, you must know better...

On a serious note, if you want to date a non indian, that's your
choice... but please don't bother to explain why on the net... We
aren't that keen to know.... I personally don't care much for
Indian men ( oops, I mean women )... but then that's my choice.

Out of curiosity, do they still lynch people down there in south?

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Bride wanted
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:01:05 GMT

In article <ac.47@apmaths.uwo.ca> ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:
>	a fairly painful set of memories from my childhood brands me as 
>being "ugly" because i didn't have blonde hair, blue eyes or an acquiline 
>nose.  the small-minded hatred which characterizes racism is to be found 
>also in the arbitrary ways in which we define beauty.  there's much more to 
>the issue of desiring a "fair" bride than a benign personal preference.

Then why stop at the issue of fair skin? Maybe we shouldn't be too picky
about the mental health of the spouse too.. afterall, isn't it discrimi-
nation if you say, I don't want to marrry someone who is mad? How about
AIDS? Do you think it's fair to not to marry someone just because they
have AIDS?

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: First Among Equals (BBC World Service programme)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:21:22 GMT

I think my first post screwed up but her goes again... 

I know this is kind of late, but I just saw this in the April issue of the 
programme guide, London Calling.  If you have a shortwave radio, try and listen
to this.  Just read on...

		First Among Equals (3 x 30 mins)

	In India a percentage of govt. jobs is reserved for the 'untouchables', the castes which have remained deprived through the ages, and are regarded as   the lowest rung on the ladder of society.  In 1990, when former Prime Minister  V P Singh attempted to increase this quota to include all the lower castes,     dozens, dozens of students set themselves alight in the protest.
	The backlash from the upper castes precipitated V P Singh's downfall.   Whether or not to extend the job reservation system is still one of the most 
controversial issues in Indian politics.  (10th April)  

	Since the 1969 ethnic riots in Malaysia, one of the central aims of the govt. has been to redistribute wealth to the indigenous Malay people, the 
Bumiputras.  They have been granted economic, educational and employment 
benefits not available to the minority Chinese and Indian communities.  
(17th April)  

	The issue of affirmative action in the United States has risen to the 
top of the political agenda as many colleges and employers (in both public and 
private sectors) attempt to increase their intake of certain minorities, such asblacks and Hispanics. (24th April)  

	In 'First Among Equals' David Edmonds asks whether these different forms of positive discrimination are fair.  He examines the way in which they were  
introduced and discusses whether or not they have succeeded in narrowing 
economic inequalities and reducing  - or exacerbating - racial and caste
tensions.    

Programme times: Fridays from 10th April at 0730 GMT, repeat 1215, 1930 GMT.
 
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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Bride wanted
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:06:30 GMT
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr5.051124.1723@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>
>
>I am not giving my thougths on this orginal "Bride Wanted" letter in 
>an approving or disapproving way. I am just puting this question to
>the getntlemen who are trying hard to put it down (again, I neither
>approve or disaprove their letters, too--at this time) that what
>you guys think of such material appereaing in virtually every newspaper
>of subcontinent virtually every day??
>
>Naisr
>Nasir

First of all, _guys_?  There must be a couple other Sri Lankan women on the net
...please do not assume all readers are male.  Not a big deal, but we *are* 
here.

Secondly, I had a few problems with the aforementioned article.  I was deeply
troubled by the connotatins of a _Bride Wanted_ ad.  This seems to imply that
Sri Lankan women can be bought by any male who wants one.  Whether or not the
original gentleman actually believes this, I feel it is not an image of our
culture that we should wish to propagate, especially considering that there are
non-Sri Lankans reading this newsgroup.  While I do not approve of the articles
in newspapers of the subcontinent, those at least do not have a worldwide 
readership.  Much as I might disapprove of the ideas behind such ads, however,
there are certainly a part of our culture, and as such I cannot condemn them
outright.  

My major problem with the original posting is that this is *not* the place for
such ads.  If you wish to find a partner of any kind, try alt.romance, or 
soc.singles, or alt.personals.  That posting did not belong here.

						 - Amirthi

-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ksingh@pico.engr.mun.ca (Karunesh Singh)
Subject: Re: More GUJJU jokes
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:02:03 GMT

cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.142754.13270@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>> 
	JOKES DELETED

>  Hey asshole, Do you know what the hell GUJJU stands for. It stands for the 
>  people from Gujarat. 

>  You call them jokes. They don't even make sense. Where the fuck do you get 
>  them?

Please, Cobra Bhai, Don't use such language in this group. There are
other groups for such language. And I think that you know that the bad
words spoil the effect of disagreement.


>COBRA

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Jay Patel                                     

>E-mail: cobra@brahms.udel.edu 

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	K.P.Singh		A LATA-MADAN FAN
			
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Response to INDIAN MEN ..
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.122202.18375@doug.cae.wisc.edu> balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman) writes:

>  There it is again! Unsubstantiated claims..
>That apart , assuming the distribution of " Attractive " and " Unattractive"
>people is the same for both men and women, the above argument implies that
>a whole bunch of " Unattractive" women remain single. Kind of hard to 
>believe..

Assuming also that the definition of attractive remains uniform across
samples of the population. I would imagine that the competition for
'attractive' females is more intense during the formative (or post adolescent)
years and as people mature there is also a scramble to fill the last few
vacant slots before senescence supervenes. :-)

George
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Final note....?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 02:42:02 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <8dsvc1K00UhWE_35Bm@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>IPKF didn't allow many reporters in the Norteast let alone mentioning
>Indian reporters. Most of the ones whe came in had the 'blessings' of
>IPKF. Some western journalists at their own risks(even now) went to
>areas where no foreign reporters were allowed, esp. Indian reporters.
>One spectacular incident that IPKF tried to cover up but didn't succeed
>was the civilian massacre of 60-70 people in Velvettithurai in August,
>1989. Some dare-do European guys got to the grisly scenery. Even now,
>there's something called 'army passes' given to journalists - to
>maintain a news blank on the affected areas.
>Call me names if want. And remain ignorant.  

	I think it is a common practice for governments to censor during 
wars. The USA did it during the gulf. If you remember, all the footage you
saw on TV was cleared by the pentagon before it was aired. So there is 
nothing special about what you are saying. And there is nothing "dare-do"
about the european guys, it is just that they didnt get caught, there were 
cases of "dare-do" press people during the gulf, when the pentagon found out
all the film was taken away.