From: jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Family Values
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: jfed@athena.mit.edu.UUCP (Jude G Federspiel)
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Project Athena

In article <1992Sep6.214508.6895@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.181209.12231@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:
>>
>>
>>      [.....some other stuff deleted...]
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>>Statistically, I don't see "gay bashing" as being any more common than
>>the "fat" boy or the "ugly" girl getting beat up on the playground, or
>>the "straight" guy getting beat up because he made a pass at someone's
>>girlfriend.  While none of these is truly acceptable, the source of the
>>problem has nothing to do with homosexuality; it has do to with low
>>tolerance for someone else's views or lifestyle, or in the latter case,
>>selfishness and (usually) insecurity.
>
>This is true, thats why I usually refer to bigotry rather than homophobia,
>bigotry has universily resisted every advance in civilization. At them
>moment homosexuals are the main targets of bigots. When do you see preachers
>condemning ugly children to hell? Only 20 years ago left handed children
>where "treated" for there sinister defect and forced to become right handed.
>
>

As for the preachers, let me clear up one thing.  No Biblical Christian 
who has a firm conviction that the Bible is the word of God can ignore what 
it says:

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done
what is detestable"
	--Leviticus 18:22

"In the same way [as women who had turned to lesbianism] the men also 
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one
another.  Men committed indecent acts with other men, and recieved in them-
selves the due penalty for their perversion."
	--Romans 1:27

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor
the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the
kingdom of God." 
	--I Corinthians 6:9-10

And as for a _non-Biblical_ Christian, well, such a thing exists in name
only.  

And no, preachers for the most part _don't_ preach about condemnation for
the ugly (I'm not endorsing preachers on the whole here; many of them
are quite foolish) but preaching that homosexuality is a sin and as such
is to be avoided is very Biblical.  This doesn't mean I'm telling anybody 
to hate [or fear] homosexuals, so don't bash me for homophobia or hate 
tactics or something equally silly.  "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is 
the most applicable thing I can think of at the moment.

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Just my $0.02 worth

Jude Federspiel
jfed@athena.mit.edu