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From: lagaipa@mondec.monmouth.edu (Joseph A. La Gaipa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1983 Cadillac Seville, advice requested
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:19:38 GMT
Distribution: usa


I have an opportunity to purchase a 1983 Cadillac Seville from
my Uncle in Texas.  It has only 35,000 miles on it and has been
garaged (as well as being texas car).  It will cost me $6000 for
the car plus $600 to have it carried door to door aboard a car
carrier (truck).  What do folks think about this car?  Is it
worth it?

      
       Joseph A. LaGaipa, Director of Computer Services
                          Monmouth College, West Long Branch, N.J. 07764
                         at (908) 229-8410 (home)
                            (908) 571-3551 (work) 
          Internet   lagaipa@monmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: himebond@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Hue-Chen Sun)
Subject: pricing on Isuzu I-mark
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:51:41 GMT

I'm trying to sell my 1985 Isuzu I-mark, and I'm asking the net for ideas
about the price. 

Mileage: 36,000
condition: good
misc: new tires (Goodyear Corsa), new fan belt
problems: dirty carburetor (fixed), no a/c, minor dents near headlights
Recent tune-up and brakes checked.

Would it be worth it to trade it in or sell privately? Does anyone know
current blue book price? Given the price, how much will dealers deduct
on trade-in?

Please respond to himebond@leland.stanford.edu, since I'm not a regular
reader in this newsgroup.

Thanks, and hope to hear from somebody.

Jamie Sun
himebond@leland.stanford.edu



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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Cheap Insurance.... NOT!
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:02:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Oct15.000222.8474
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	Here's an interesting little tidbit. My dad received our
yearly insurance bill from Liberty Mutual. It said that the charge for
me on my Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX would be $8,700.  Then he looked at
the location where I was driving.  It said NYC. Ok, no big deal.  He
calls them up and gets a quote for $1700, for insurance in Saratoga
where I'm at school.  So if I was attending school in NYC I wouldn't
be able to afford car insurance.

	- Note: There is no real point to this post.


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From: chris@dvorak.amd.com (Chris Neugebauer)
Subject: Re: Do you have a Sable?  What's your MPG?
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.150514.59540@cc.usu.edu> sly9y@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <67276@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>>I am not sure if my 87 Sable Wagon consumes more fuel than average.  It's
>>>getting only 17 MPG, freeway and local combined(half and half).  I inflate the
>>>tires to 34 psi and keep the car in good condition.  Can someone own a similar
>>>car tell me your MPG?  Or maybe the ways to increase it?  Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>>- james
>around town it suffers.  something like low twenties.  About the above, 
>_do not_ drive around town in overdrive this is just for steady driving above
>45 mph.  I have heard too many stories about gm's th700r4, which is essentially
>the same thing, only it is an incredible piece of *#$%!  When you drive around
>town in od, it is constantly shifting in and out of od (which wears it out 
>very quickly) and you also have to worry about lugging the engine.
>
>pete

I can vouch for that.  The AXOD in my 87 Taurus went out at 67k miles in the 
Middle of Nowhere, Texas.  (Sheffield, on I-10 is about as far as you can get
from a tranny shop in the state, it would seem.  I suppose at least it held on 
long enough to get us out of the Chisos Mts.)

After a 90 (no typo) mile tow to Sonora, the Ford mechanic there informed me
that this was (is) a common problem with 86 and 87 Tauri.  Around 88 or 89
Ford beefed up the tranny to supposedly eliminate the problem.  He still 
advised me to leave the tranny in D for in town driving, and only put it in
OD on the highway.  This kind of makes the shifter arrangement look bad;  it 
should have a button for OD enable, like some imports I've driven.  

As for the original post, milage on my 87 Taurus LX with the 3.0 six is 
about 23mpg around town no matter how I drive it.  At a steady 55 on the FM's
and RR's it will get 31-32.  On the Interstate at 75mph, about 27mpg.
Idling on the offramp because the transmission won't engage, about 0mpg.

--Chris Neugebauer
chris@dvorak.amd.com
My car gets me to work, so what does AMD care?
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:26:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL

Alvin W. Law writes:
>|>
>|>You'll never ever see exotic cars going over 65 mph on the freeways
>|>and 15 mph on the street.
>
Get serious. Come ride with us.
>
>|> Most exotic cars are meant for showing off.
>
Real exotics are an art form. They can be appreciated while static,
but they only have meaning in motion. This is why the Ferrari Club
Of America has a major emphasis on the track events.

Come to the Breakers Hotel February 1993 for the second annual 
Cavallino Magazine winter festival.

OR

Come to the Breakers Hotel in June 1993 for the annual meeting of
the Ferrari Club Of America.

At either event, you'll meet real people with real cars.  Want to
ride in one(some) on the street or track -- just ask. I doubt you
will be turned down.
-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
Voice: 407 660 7949               ". . . big brown river . . ." Tuli Kupferberg
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Cheap, economical, reliable??? (SOS)
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:17:36 GMT

I haven't bought a car in 12 years - or even looked at the car market.
Now my 1980 Pontiac is telling me it's time . . . 

I don't drive a lot and I would like something smaller, reliable,
economical and definitely used.

There was a time when that meant "Volkswagen Beetle". No more.

So I would like to know what is the current wisdom as to what makes and
models are cheap and reliable. 

I've been drawn to Chrysler K-cars - it's about the size I think I want.

So experts, what are the most reliable and economical autos of the K-car
(Aries/Reliant) size?

Is there anything about used K-cars that I should be especially careful
of? I.e., known notorious problems?

Mail responses would be preferred . . . I'll summarize responses if
there is any visible consensus.

Thanks in advance.

=Doug

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From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Andy Cassino (andyc@hplsla.hp.com) wrote:
: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes about his SHO:
: 
: > And then,
: > of course, when you get off the pedal it switches to severe oversteer.
: > I almost bought it this way on a tight S curve when I first had the car:
: > took the second turn way too fast, started to plow, lifted to get traction
: > to the front, and broke the rear loose.  Fishtail city.  
: > ----------
: 
: Well, this isn't the car's fault per se, any FWD car will do this.
: 
: I guess I'm lucky I learned about this FWD behavior on a track.
: 
: 

I believe that any car will tend to have its rear end break loose
if you brake (lifting off the throttle can be thought of as slight
braking) in a turn.

I don't know if this trait is stronger in FWD vs. RWD but I do know
that it is basic physics (if you load up the front end to get
traction you must be unloading the rear end and thus make it
more likely to break loose).

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Karl Sewlochan        ...uunet.ca!isgtec!karl             karl@isgtec.com
ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extoic sightings
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:14:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <tewheele.719259111@vincent2.iastate.edu> tewheele@iastate.edu (Todd E Wheeler) writes:
>In <1bm238INN88t@bigboote.WPI.EDU> damong@manyjars.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct15.232659.25416@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>>In article 1bk6ikINN1s6@bigboote.WPI.EDU, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>>>>        6 . ) Caddilac Alante'
>>>6) Italo-American Bullshit
>>how do you get italian out of a cadialac ?
>
>You get Italian out of a Cadilac because the Allante was designed by
>Pinfarina(sp?) in Italy, and the cars are partly built there before shipping
>to the USA for final assembly.  I think that the bodywork is done in Italy and
>powertrains are done in the US.
>
>This is correct to the best of my knowledege, don't flame me if some of this
>is not perfect... I don't have my stack of Motor Trends, etc. here to back
>this up... :-)
>
>Todd

Well since you requested not to be flamed, I won't do it too badly ;)

Pininfarina is probably the best design house in all of Italy.
They have designed such as Fiats, Alfas, Lancias, and a few Ferraris.

The only other designer in Italy that I can think of is Bertone, but
they only have the Emotion, some Ferraris and most (if not all)
Lamborghinis.

Damon


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner)
Subject: Oops! I Scratched the Plastic on the 'B' Column Exterior
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:47:44 GMT

I bought one of those ice scrapers with the brass blade.  Supposedly
the brass is softer than glass and won't scratch it.  This appeared
to be true.  However, I discovered that brass is _harder_ than plastic
and _will_ scratch it.  I came across this law of physics while
trying to clear ice from the driver's side window of my '92 Camry.
The scraper went off-course and put an 11-inch scratch in the plastic
the covers the exterior of the 'B' column (I think that's what it's
called; it's the column between the front door and the rear door).

Is there anything I can do to remove the scratch or at least minimize
it?  I've heard that MacGuire's makes a lot of products for car 
exteriors but I don't know if they have one for this specific problem.
If anyone can offer any advice, I'd be most appreciative.

a T d H v A a N n K c S e

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner
AT&T Consumer Communications Services
Basking Ridge, NJ
scott@cimu03.att.com  -or-  sbrenner@attmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:08:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pyramid.183936
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <26442@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>
>Have you tried getting these without liability in states where liability
>insurance is required by law?
>
   It's a hassle, yes.  But in those states where "liability is
   required by law", most require "financial responsibility" which
   is a different issue if you are a rich fqr.  In the posting I
   noted that if you have the financial resources, you CAN post a
   financial bond in many of those same states rather than purchase
   liability insurance.  But if you're that rich, you probably
   bought the car cash, and don't deal with "ordinary" insurance
   agents.  In other words, the posting was a bit tongue-in-cheek
   for the typical newsuser.
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

>>> way they drive on dry pavement. RWD is fine, and with a little knowledge/
>> preperation (such as adding a 50# bag of sand in the rear) they will
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>DON'T EVER DO THIS!!!!  If you are driving down the street with a 50 pound
>sack in your trunk, and hit the brakes hard, that 50 pound sack is going
>to fly right through the back seat into the occupants of the car!!

	??  Does this mean no one should carry things in their trunks,
	cargo beds, hatches, whatever??

		Dave
From: maurice@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Maurice Liang)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:40:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Do you have a Sable?  What's your MPG?
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

  I have an '87 Sable wagon w/87k miles.  It usually gets around 21 mpg
  combined.  For awhile, it dropped all the way down to 15 mpg, but we
  had a problem with surging.  It turned out to be a short on the
  sensor power lead coming from the ECU. 

  It's been repaired and we're back up to 21 mpg.  If nothing is wrong
  with the car, it should do the same.  (I'm not a light-foot).  
  Maybe it needs a "tune-up".  

  Maurice <Viperholic> Liang

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hbeniker@lonestar.utsa.edu (Herbert D. Beniker)
Subject: locating cheap dist. advance
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:59:40 GMT


I an trying to find a cheap vacuum distributer advance for my 1980
Toyota corolla (3T-C engine) They have two vacuum ports on them and
they are both shot. No auto parts stores that I have talked to carries them
and the dealer wants around a hundred dollars for one. I've been junkyard
hopping, but the only ones I've found are in worse shape than mine.
From: 00vmszopa@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: German auto mag
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:28:36 GMT

Does anyone know about a German auto magazine called "Auto und ..."
that recently had a crash test? The BMW 5-series won, as I read in
_Automobile_. Love reading about German cars as long as I can't buy. 

I would love to know more, or how to get ahold of the magazine.
If it's in English I would probably buy it.

Thanks!

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis)
Subject: Re: GM Credit Card
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:23:27 GMT

shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>Well, since I'm also a poor college student just
>barely making it by from all the fee increases
>they've been having, I guess I shouldn't even
>waste the $.29 to mail in my "pre-approved" GM
>mastercard form.....

>can i sue them for false advertisment if i get
>turned down also?

No, you can't. 'Pre-approval' is conditional. They can still refuse you
if they think you don't make enough money. Read the fine print on the
'application'.

>btw:  a few weeks by, there were a spur amount of people who said that
>	they have purchased/ordered the '93 Ford Probe.... to those of
>	you, how's the initial quality and initial satisfaction?

I ordered my Probe GT about 5 and a half weeks ago.  It still hasn't
gotten here, and I'm estimating another week and a half or so before it
does arrive.  So, quality and satisfaction?  Eeeh.  I've heard people
have waited up to 9 weeks for delivery.  Hope it's not that long.

On the other hand, if I had to do it all again, I'd still buy the Probe
GT, even when you consider the new Nissan 240SX and the VTEC Prelude.
I never liked the Nissan much, and the *current* Prelude is still way
way ovepriced.  How overpriced?  I was quoted $18k for a '92 Prelude Si
with 7k on the odometer. 'Demo' car driven by the dealer and some of the
salesthings.  No thanks. I'm getting my Probe, which will nicely
outdrive the Si, for $16.2k, factoring in the $500 first time buyer
bonus.  I'll bet the VTEC Prelude costs $25k and up.  For that kind of
money, buy an MR2.  Or buy two Nissan SE-R's.

--
Michael K. Ellis
ellisk@fido.colorado.edu
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Im going to be sick...
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:53:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: digital.5ba8b162.1b2f0
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

|> Drivers of foreign-made cars in the Flint. Mich., beware.  Begeining Monday 
|> only US made cars will be allowed in the City Hall Basement garage.  Flint 
|> Mayor Woodrow Stanley said he issued the order to send a message to buy 
|> American.  And he says he might designate other city lots for US only cars.  

PBS recently showed "Roger and Me" and a 30 minute follow-up of R&M.  I
forgot which one (R&M or follow-up) talked about total failure of the attempt
to turn Flint into a tourist city by building a Sheraton hotel in downtown
and converting a formal assembly plant into an auto mall.  In the follow-up
movie, interview to the mayor of Flint was declined.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Question about Honda air conditioning
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:41:16 GMT


Hi there,

I am having a problem with the air conditioning in my '89 Honda
Civic DX hatchback and was wondering if someone could help.  About
two months ago, I noticed that the air conditioner wasn't cooling the
air too much.  I took it in to my mechanic and they recharged it.  It worked
fine for about 3-4 days, and then I noticed that it wasn't engaging any
more.  Normally, you can tell when the AC engages because of the drag 
on the engine.  This was not happening.  I took it back in, and the 
mechanic discovered that the system was empty!  They put 1 lb. of Freon
back in and used a "sniffer" to check for leaks.  They didn't find any.
Then they charged it all the way (2.5 lbs.). Still no leaks.  I took the
car and the AC worked fine for about 2-3 weeks this time.  The other day
I noticed that it is not working again!  I'm afraid to keep venting this
much Freon into the atmosphere :(  

Are there any standard seals that could be worn out that should be replaced?
When the AC system is overhauled, what gets done?  Are there hoses, etc.,
that get replaced?  My feeling is that maybe the leak is only appearing
when the car is either really hot (or cold), and their sniffing device
could not detect anything because the car was not in the right temperature
range.  If this is true, I'm thinking of having them just do a complete
overhaul on the hoses, etc.  What do you think of that theory?


Thanks for any info on this problem!
-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
From: mjensen@ub.d.umn.edu (marc jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1986 Nova Hesitation problem
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:37:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

Well, since this looks like the place to post, here it goes..

I have a 1986 Chev Nova (similar to the Toyota Corrolla of a similar vintage)
that will hesitate when accelerating, but runs fine otherwise.  When taking
off from a stop, or trying to accelerate at speed, the engine just cuts out
for a second or so.

I bought this car with 40,000 miles, it now has ~ 70,000 miles, and the
problem seems to get worse with age.  This is the second car like this I have
owned, and both had the same problem.  The chev garage has tried to fix it to
the tune of $500 total with no luck.  They rebuilt the carb and readjusted
the settings, and I replaced all that I could (plugs, wires, filters) and
still no luck.


This seems to be a common problem with this car, and I am looking for some
help.  If anyone know about this problem or can suggest a possible cure, I'd
be very grateful.

Post here, or e-mail to...			Marc Jensen
						mjensen@ub.d.umn.edu

Thanks!
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Import from Canada to US -- how?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:35:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Hi all,

What are the sorts of things one should consider if one is considering 
purchasing an auto in Canada for use/registration/ownership in the US?
My husband and I have our eye on the new Volkswagen Eurovan Camper, which
is not currently in production for the US, but has been available for
at least a year in Canada. The things we have thought of so far:

- Emissions:  From what we understand, Canada has recently adopted the
              California emissions requirements, so this should not be
              an issue.

- Safety:     The Eurovans already brought into the US (non-camper versions)
              have normal seatbelts and no airbags -- seems to me this means
              that there aren't very many safety considerations for this
              class of vehicle.

- Purchase:   This is where we run into a wall.  How does one arrange 
              financing if one is purchasing a vehicle from another 
              country?  Can we tell our bank to make the check out to 
              us?  or do they have to have the name of the dealership
              in Canada?  We would hopefully just take a week or so and
              drive up to Canada, investigate a few dealerships and
              make our purchase on the spot (probably call ahead first
              to get a ballpark price figure).  Can we have our bank
              forward the money to a Canadian bank and have the Canadian
              bank cut the check?  Any ideas out there?

- Registration: How does one register a vehicle being driven across
              country lines?  Do we take along temporary Mass plates?
              register it in Canada and then re-register it here at home?
              How does this work?

- Insurance:  Same deal as with the registration, I guess -- how does this
              work?

- ???         What have we left out?

Words of wisdom from folks who have done this sort of thing would be most
welcome; words of caution from folks who know something about this sort
of thing would also be welcome; comments about our taste in vehicles
will be ignored... :-)


Thanks,
Faith

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