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Subject: Note from Gov. Clinton


Thanks for all the birthday greetings!  It's great to hear from computer
users throughout the world.

I look forward to taking my Putting People First message throughout the
country as we head through the final phase of the campaign.

Thanks again for the greetings and and all your help.

I look forward to hearing from you!

Bill Clinton



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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Re: George Bush on abortion
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:33:48 GMT

In <BsyBBv.3z7@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:

>In article <ncovey.713712039@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes...
>>In <BswHIp.Luo@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>> 
>>>	What, exactly, has Bush done to encourage the illegality of 
>>>abortion?
>> 
>>I can't help but wonder where Robert Weiss has been.  Bush has served
>>under a president who advocated that abortion be criminalized.  He has
>>run under a platform that proclaims that abortion is murder (murder is
>>illegal, Robert). 

>a proclamation is not a bill, it is not law, it is just an opinion.
Well, that's true, but it's a proclaimation that the Presdient supports
(even if his wife doesn't) and that support lends (and is meant to lend)
support to those who are working to make abortion illegal.  Bush has
said abortion should be illegal.  He supports those he want to make it
illegal.  Of course, you wouldn't be the first one to claim Bush doesn't
mean what he says, but in this case his actions have tended to back up
his words.
>>He has appointed Supreme Court Justices who have
>>tried to overturn Roe v. Wade,

>Souter backed up O'Connor saying that RvW was an established ruling 
>that should not be overturned.
Again, this is true.  But Bush isn't the first president to regret a
decision by one of his Supreme Court appointees.  Clarence (I've never
given any thought to abortion) Thomas certainly voted  to overturn it.
And I'm sure that if Bush knew that Souter would vote the way he did,
he'd have appointed another justice.  But then, you wouldn't be the
first to question Bush's competence.  


>wanna try again?

Not particularly.  If you don't want to believe what Bush says, you're
just joining a very large club.  If you don't want to believe that he
appointed Souter with the mistaken notion that Souter would vote with
Scalia, Rehnquist, Thomas, and Kennedy to overturn Roe v. Wade, that's
your choice.  I'd say you're logic is flimsy and your ground is shaky. 
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:05:55 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: separated at birth?

Look:

It really amazes me that some of you people (your people, you people,
and you know who you are) can listen to speeches and not know what
was in them.

If you really believe that Quayle and Bush didn't say anything, I
really don't understand how you can be functionally literate
enough to operate a computer.

Dan Quayle is right; the common folk in the heartland *are* smarter
than the cultural elite in the faculty lounges.

--Missy P 2 B
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ahem, and the lunatic is...who again? (long, sorry)

Missy:

I think you are being a little evasive.  When asked if you think someone
(something, I mean) should be illegal, I'd like to hear an answer from
you.  Regardless of your specific degree of power in the world as it
stands, we are here to discuss these issues and I think you are selling
yourself short by considering yourself to be something other than a
person who is empowered to vote and to affect change in the country in
which you live.

--Julie
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:01:11 -0500
From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: question to Missy J

Does anyone know why I have been getting multiple copies of
everything posted today?

Json
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:49:47 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: George Bush on Abortion <yawn>
              17 Aug 1992 09:19:11 -0400 from <E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX>

For the Record:

George Bush is *not* pro-choice.  When David Brinkley pressed him on
the "granddaughter question" this weekend, Bush reiterated the "love
and support" statement.  David Brinkley then reminded Bush that, if
the current GOP platform were to be law, "you wouldn't have that option."
"Well," replied Bush, "she couldn't have an abortion."  Brinkley
paused, said something like "well, yes," and Bush said (without
being prompted) "Fine with me."

If this is prochoice, you prochoice people had better re-think your
arguments and your position; they don't make any sense.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:00:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject: Re: siege mentality

> Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:45:00 EDT
> From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
> Subject:      Re: siege mentality
> To:           "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020>
>
> Carl feels himself under siege:
> >The Democracts engineered the welfare system that
> >awards single parents and does nothing to encourage poor families to stay
> >together.
>
> I hear you, Carl.  I was awarded a single parent a few months ago, and still
> have no idea what to do with him.

 hahahahahahahahaha.  so very funny.
>
> >The Democracts and like minded liberals want the gov't to
> >pay for artists who produce pornographic crap that is bent on tearing down
> >society's norms, mainly those that seek to preserve a sense of order and
> >morality.
>
> If they were really interested in doing that, I'd be a registered Democrat.
>
> >And there is more.  In schools it is alright to celebrate Halloween,
> >the most holy day for Satanists, students cannot pray but they can do yoga an
d
> >TM and practice with the Ouija Board.
>
> You forgot the horrific satanic ritual of giving out those stale candy corns
> instead of cool treats like "Sweeties".

   Oh yeah.  And if the teacher put up a manger scene and did a bulletin board
   on Jesus and ministers and stuff you'd probably be freaking out screaming
   about the separation of church and state.

> >How's that for a seige mentality?
>
> Well, you've got the mentality, Carl.  One of these days, you may even get an
> actual siege.  Hang in there. :D

   I do not have a seige mentality.

>
> >Carl---+
>
> So far, the Republican convention has been rather lame, but they're still
> slogging through the b-speakers.  Maybe the gipper will pick things up...
>
> Gary W. "666 licks to the
>   center of a Tootsie Roll    "The great and direct end of government is
>   Tootsie Pop" Olson           liberty.  Secure our liberties and privileges,
> SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   and the end of government is answered.  If this
> 78 days and counting down...   be not effectively done, government is an evil.
"
>            - Patrick Henry, Speech against the U.S. Constitution, June 25, 178
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:56:00 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Five-headed Love Child???

>--John Mignault
> jbm@panix.com
> Vote Die Yuppie Scum every single day of your life
>
>PS. What's this thing I read in Clam and Bivalve Monthly (I don't *buy* it, I
>read it at the checkout in the market) about Quayle and Robertson's five-head-
>ed love child that looks like Elvis?

Actually, that was last week.  This week's headline is.....

               UFO REVEALS SECRET DIET TO AL SHARPTON
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:52:57 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: kerry, have you been inhaling?

In article <POLITICS%92081814082357@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> you write:
>Missy president wish-to-be says:"the republicans are the party of
>civilized debate on every issue".
>
>If this is true, why did George Bush refuse to answer questions on his
>policies at a recent news conference and tell the questioners to shut
>up and listen? Shut up and listen does not equal debate.

I'll bet that he also refuses to answer questions when he's using
the toilet.  How horrible...

Bush is no more obligated to "debate" anyone who makes it into a press
conference or speech than Clinton is.  His refusal to "debate"
hecklers has nothing to do with whether or not he's interested in
civilized debate.

>Why wasn't the abortion debate conducted during the convention if the
>party is so eager to encourage debate? I'm sure that the pro-choice
>republican faction would have welcomed an open forum for debate.

I've heard from both pro-life and pro-choice folks wrt abortion FROM
the podium during the Repub convention and the platform discussions.
The camera did pan across Casey a couple of times during the Demo
convention, but did any pro-life folks get to talk about it from the
podium?

>Someone needs to tell george that we are voting for the president in
>November, not to dump the congress.

The last time I looked, the conventions were for ALL the November
elections.  Out here in CA, ALL of the house seats are being contested
in that election, as are both of the senate seats.  (In most states,
one senate seat is up.)  In other words, we're voting for Congress
too.  We'll be deciding whether or not will dump it, just as we'll
decide whether or not we'll dump Bush.

>Anyone in netland know how many
>republicans voted in favor of the congressional pay raise?

Was there a recorded vote?

-andy
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:00:29 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      FVN @ RNC

You know, I was wondering WHY they put Reagan on the first night of the RNC.
Then it hit me....

   He couldn't be on Thursday, that's Bush/Quayle night
   He couldn't be on Tuesday, that's keynote night
   And, he couldn't be on Wednesday, that's FAMILY VALUES NIGHT

Can't you see Reagan trying to explain family values with his screwed up
        family/divorces/etc.

Monday night was the only option available.

   And, since tonight is Family Values Night at the RNC.......

   Another in the series of topical George Bush quotes...
   ..(thanks to Gary Stephens - Dublin City University, Ireland)

"I mean a child that doesn't have a parent to read to that child or that doesn't
see that when the child is hurting to have a parent and help out or neither
parent there enough to pick the kid up and dust him off and send him back into
the game at school or whatever, that kid has a disadvantage"

      - Bush on the importance of the family, January 1992.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:01:22 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Listen to what s/he said not what s/he meant

Yesterday Missy tried to make a point by quoting what
Bush said about his abortion question.  Let's read what
Barbara said yesterday.

The following is word by word typed from our local, yes local,
newspaper.  (I promise it is not a joke; at least not mine. :-)

         Barbara Bush said yesterday that her speech Wednesday will
      not be fiery or controversial.  In fact, she said Americans
      shouldn't even stay awake to watch it on television.

         "My speech is nothing," she said.  "I'm just going to remind
      people of what things George Bush has accomplished.  It's not
      worth staying up for."

How true.  How true.     :-)

--KAT

"I'm just going to remind people of what things George Bush has
accomplished.  It's not worth staying up for."

                                 --Barbara Bush

p.s.  A few days ago I sent a post with the subject heading "Is
Bush pro-choice."  The subject should've been "Is Bush pro-abortion."
After all Bush allows for abortion is cases of rape and incest.

p.p.s.  I don't recall ever seeing anybody explain why abortion is
murder but if incest/rape then it is not murder anymore.  Go ahead
Missy, take a shot. :-)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:51:20 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: About Buchanan
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              20 Aug 1992 13:27:04 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:27:04 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:

>Unfortunately, Reich doesn't say exactly how much the Clinton plan will
>raise taxes or precisely how much revenue will be generated.  He talks

I'll wager the poorer 98% will see a tax increase to cover the difference.

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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From: jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: ^!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:07:47 GMT

SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET (more noise please) writes, regarding ^^^^.

>^ is a virtual mind-altering substance.  No virtual party (or ticket) would
>be complete without it.

>(Actually, I think this in-joke started in a bitnet relay party of a few
>years back, but it may have started some time before then.  I *think* Jamie
>was the one who introduced it, but it might have been Jimbo.  Or not.)

*...takes a bow*

Scandal, Inc.

--Jimbo

p.s. I will concede that I've been a bit scooped on the 'jammies' issue.  
My people are putting together a position paper, and my running mate
may likely issue a speech on the topic sometime soon.

The mystery grows...

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:02:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Rutgers Cuts 128 Administrators

glad you still have your job carl.
villanova sorta did the same thing this past year. of course, being so much
smaller the numbers weren't so bad. (40 + job titles eliminated) they
re-assigned people to different places, so i think the total lay offs were
much less (abt. 10 or so).
they laid off the big salaries for the most part.

also, they're into this TQM thing here, and they didn't call it layoffs, it was
a total effort to "right size".

the library was exempt since we are so horribly understaffed that it would have
completely cripples us. so i got to keep my job.
they also doubled employee outlay for med. benefits.

but, what the hell, why fund education when you have such a great pick of wars
to get involved in?

-linda
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:33:17 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ^!

For one thing, I like Alaska.  One of my favorite TV programs is set in
Alaska:  Northern Exposure.  For another thing, with this crazy keyboard,
when I hit shift+6, I get a cents sign, not a "not" symbol.

To make this letter relavant to politics, after all that's why we're here,
did anyone see Perot on CBS This Morning?  Comments?

Evelyn
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:23:29 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      In your hear, you know he's right (NOT!)

Subj:   Re: In your heart, you know he's right. (NOT!)

>>   scott, are you old enough to remember the last democratic president
>>we had? southern governor, running as an outsider, against an unpopular
>>republican president, with a democratic congress to boot? why don't you
>>check out the economy after he got done with it, and then tell me why
>>you think clinton can do any better.
>>

>This is like when baseball announcers will mention a hitter's average
>on natural turf during night games on Tuesdays in August against left-
>handed pitchers named "Bob".  The stat might be vaguely useful, but more
>than likely the announcer is just killing some time.

>Clinton is a different kind of Democrat than Carter was/is.  Why do
>pro-Bush folks think Clinton will be like Carter?  Both are Democrats?
>Both are Southerners?  How about a comparison of Carter's record as
>governor of Georgia and Clinton's record as governor of Arkansas instead
>of comparisons of superfluous details.
>   todddddddddddd

>>rtf

>=========== Wake up John Doe.  You're the hope of the world! ===========
>--------     /^^\    ---- Todd Pukanecz ----   ----  CCCS@VTVM1  ----
>-----      /      >   --- Ag. Econ. DPL --- "The church saves sinners...
>---  /\_ / @       \   -- Virginia Tech --   science seeks to stop their
>-  /________________>   - Blacksburg VA -    manufacture." - E. HUBBARD

SOOOOO....let me get this straight.  Clinton is like Carter, and Bush is
like Reagan, and Reagan was like Nixon, thus Bush is like Nixon.  Makes
sense to me.

Or, as was posted on this or another conference last week.....

if bush is hope
and bush is bob
and bob is hope
then is bush bob hope?????

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  Another in the series of topical George Bush quotes...
  ..(thanks to Gary Stephens - Dublin City University, Ireland)

"Please don't ask me to do that which I've just said I'm not going to do,
because you're burning up time; the meter is running through the sand on you,
and I am now filibustering".

    - refusal to answer reporter's persistent questions about the Oliver North
      trial, 1989.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:14:32 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      AIDS statistics

From:         "Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>

> *My comments - Contrary to widespread misinformation, AIDS IS a gay
>                disease.                                    ^^
>                Being Gay or using IV drugs is toying with suicide.

> ---Robert

So are women who engage in anal sex and heterosexuals who
are promiscuous and don't use any precautions.  But we won't
see Robert mention them because Robert is not worried for
gays per se but rather is preoccupied with finding every
excuse to impose his religious values on others.  And part
of the proof is that even if a cure for AIDS is found, I
bet Robert would still be as opposed to gays as he is now.

As to whether or not AIDS is a gay disease.  First we have
to define what we mean by "gay disease"?  Are we simply making
a designation such as persian rug or Chinese flu (if such
thing exists) or sudden infant death syndrome (?), or are we
trying to designate blames.  Surely we don't blame kids for
a disease that only babies come up with.  Now if your are
simply designating AIDS as a gay disease, then I guess I won't
have a problem with it, though it might not be accurate anymore.
But if you are designating blames, then I have problems with it.
When it comes to AIDS there are two types of people, those
who are sympathetic and want to help and those who are pointing
fingers and are using this horrible disease to dictate their
political/religious agenda on others.

I am sure most people in South Africa who come down with black
lung disease are blacks (BTW: what are black in Africa called,
African Africans :-), so can we call black lung disease a
"black disease" and attribute it to their lifestyle and race
and blame them for the disease?

--KAT
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From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: did y'all miss me?
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>>Posted on 12 Aug 1992 at 16:43:52 by KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
>>
>>did y'all miss me?
>>
>>Hi, y'all:
>>I know, I should've set NOMAIL before taking off for a week :)  But guess
>>what?  I'm typing this note from my very own den in my very own house!!!!!
>>I mean, like, a house that I actually own!!!!  What a concept.  Anyway,
>>just wanted to spread the joy, say "hi" to everyone, and let y'all know
>>that I'll be posting again sometime (wonder how long it takes to read 380+
>>messages?).
>>
>>Take care
>>Kerry
>
>Too scary. Didn't Carl just post about his House, that He Owns?  and
>they have been gone at the same time....

Well, I'm just trying to sell to move somewhere bigger. We've been on
the market now for about ten weeks, and finally got an offer last
Friday. Tuesday we discover that the people who offered on our place
have also offered on two others :-(, so they're playing silly ****ers.
Meanwhile we've found a brill place pretty well where we want to be
but, as usual, just a couple of thousand more than we can really
afford.

I need advice. Should we push ourselves that last couple of grand
leaving us with a mortgage of (pounds)47,000 rather than
(pounds)45,000 for somewhere pretty good, or should we keep looking ?

>
>i'd rather have the bats thanks. Liese? where's that damn ruler?
>
>jenna
>>who needs to move a few more boxes :)

Dunstan - looking forward to moving stuff from one attic to the next,
probably not to be looked at again 'til the next move.
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