HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: JFH and Fred's Ridiculous Flaming
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:46:16 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21492@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.163035.12604@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Congratulations.  However, how am I to know that you took him out of
>>your kill file, after you spent so much bandwidth and were so vehement
>>about how and why you had him in it?  Expecting me to read your mind
>>or crack your machine to see who is in your killfile today (assuming I
>>cared) is the silly part, John.

>During that discussion, at no time did I state that I had Joe in the
>KILL file.  It has always been Joe who assumes he is in the KILL file
>because I don't respond to what he writes.

That's not what you said.  Perhaps you should go back and look at some
of that old netnews you keep?  What you said was that the only reason
you told Joe that he was in your killfile was because he had asked why
you never responded to what he wrote.

>Next myth.

Next myth?  Your statement that you are "an honorable man", because
what you just said here doesn't track with what you said then.

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:59:27 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <BuDH9t.9w1@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>Yeah -- and managed to exclude them almost as well as his pals Robertson and
>that Quayle guy did.  You must not have been paying attention to them, 
>either...

Sorry, I listened very closely.  He was very clear about the fact that they 
were not to be excluded.  For what reason are you misrepresenting what was 
said?
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Xref: sparky tx.politics:5190 alt.politics.clinton:5274
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Brainwaves & John Hau
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:49:14 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <exuptr.582.716507978@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:

>Can you clarify?  Is the fetus the same person as the mother?  Persons
>that claim it is a parasite would be outta luck, then.  It cannot be a 
>parasite AND non-separate.

>Exactly what is your belief?  No flames, just looking for details.

An embryo or foetus isn't a person at all until it has human
brainwaves.  Until that time, it is a tissue growth that may become a
person. 

>Your appendix is alive, human, and part of _you_, is it not.  I'm not really 
>sure you could call it human, at least not "a human".  Nor will it ever be a 
>human.  It will always be your appendix, unless, as you say, it is removed.

A tumor is also alive, human (insofar as genetic material -- blastoma
and original foetal cells resemble cancer cells more than 'human'
onces), and part of me.  It is also a parasite.

>I think you are trying to fiilter only certain qualities of a fetus to your 
>advantage.  There are many ways in which the fetus-mother relationship is 
>nothing like the appendix-Fred relationship, don't you agree?

Why do you say "to my advantage"?  Personally, being male, I don't
ever expect to need an abortion.  And no, I don't agree.  Up until
late in development, there isn't a lot of difference between the
"fetus-mother relationship" and the "appendix-Fred relationship".

>Most important being, as I said, your appendix will at best always be your 
>appendix.  It is fully realized.  It is not a separate organism.  The fetus 
>is conceived separate, attaches for a while, and becomes separate again.  It
>does not mirror it's host's genetics.  It develops independently; the mother'
>s biology only partly controls development.  None of these things are 
>attributable to an appendix, and I don't think there's any other paradigm 
>you can match them all to either.

And until it DOES become separate again (at birth), it is just another
clump of differentiated tissues.  Once it has human brain waves, and
hence is a 'person', it is different.  To that point, it's not
radically different from blood cells.

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:59:25 GMT
Organization: Tennessee Ernie Port Authority

In article <mumble> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
|In article <SLaDr*hX0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
|> Tell me exactly how it is better for the children to have divorced
|>parents?
|	Shal we make a list? We shall!
|[...]

Come on, Joe.  You know none of this stuff goes on in Moral, Upright,
God-Fearing Families.  Only the Liberal Nazis do that stuff.

<ack!  Ack!  RETCHHHHHH!!  HEAVE!!!  SPEW!!!!  cough cough wipe wipe
wipe>

Ahem.  Please excuse my venting.

-- 
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gamble@owlnet.rice.edu 
       Oh ye who go about saying unto each other:  "Hello sailor":
       Dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods?
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Health Ideas.
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:36:55 GMT

In <1992Sep09.230926.25617@watson.ibm.com> john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.191704.18166@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> 
>|> Do you think American doctors are "better trained" than doctors from
>|> Germany, Japan, England, Canada, France, etc.?  They make more than
>|> all of them, and by quite a margin.  Now then, what is the reason for
>|> that again?

>Because these countries all have socialized medicine, which guarantees
>mediocrity.  The "cream of the crop" doctors all want to come to the
>United States because they can make a hell of a lot more money here. 
>Canadians are crossing the US border in droves so that they can get
>medical treatment without waiting in line for 6 months.  Socialism
>doesn't work.  That has been proven time and time again.

Why is it, then, that so many of these countries with the "mediocrity"
of their medical systems and practitioners have managed to achieve
lower child mortality rates and longer lives than we have?

I'd like some numbers for this assertion that "the 'cream of the crop'
doctors all want to come to the United States".  I'd also like some
hard numbers for the assertion about Canadians, because I've heard
claims going both ways on this one -- and the average wait in Canada
isn't even close to 6 months, according to Canadians I know.  More
like 3 weeks.

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: The blame game
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep9.160439.11761@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Let me get this straight.  All these ostensibly liberal newspapers are
>almost perpetually endorsing conservatives for office?  What is there
>about that 'logic' that just doesn't quite track, Jim?

Actually, most newspapers' reporters and first-line editors work for different
folks from those who write the editorials. It's not unusual at all for a
paper's reporters to disagree with, and privately disavow, stands taken on the
editorial pages. Given that, it's entirely possible for the paper as a whole
to show a liberal bias and yet endorse a conservative candidate.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Economic Plan
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:00:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <7280@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> How about if a competent doctor leaves the profesion because a jury that
|> didn't understand the issues thought he was incompetent?

Here is how juries think:

Gee that poor person really suffered a lot--he ought to get something.
Hey!  It's not really that doctor's fault, but he has a lot of
malpractice insurance.  It's not really going to hurt the doctor much
if we give the guy a couple of million.

Let's face it.  All of the problems in the modern world can be traced
back to the insurance industry in one way or another.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Bible, Homosexuality, Translations, and Stained Glass.
Summary:  Paul too.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:41:00 GMT

In article <BuBKuB.4qx@rice.edu>, 
cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes...

>Do you think that a person can believe in the existence and
>teachings of Jesus, believe that following him is the one true way to
>salvation, and yet not believe that Paul, or some other prophet, was
>divinely inspired?  

Envision with me for a moment... that all the cosmos is a temple.

In the temple are many, many stained glass windows, all illuminated 
by the light. 

Some sparkle brilliantly iridescent. Others only dimly shine.

There is one window -- in which no colors glow -- but rather
the light comes streaming through in purest radiance, evidence
of the Glory beyond....

And likewise, the character of Paul comes out clearly in his writings, 
made evident by the pure light shining through.

It's the same for each of us in Christ. Even the deepest flaws
show up clearly for all to see, but ohh how beautifully we shine! 

>Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu


   |
-- J --
   |      Stephen D. Tice
   |      Arlington Texas
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The blame game
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:34:53 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: usa
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Sep15.014619.15622@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>Not quite. Bush is paying for the huge deficits that were created
>in the 80's, not for the growth.

You can't not pay for growth.  [ Intentional double negative ... ]

If you grow an economy too much, you must eventually lay off the
workers that really aren't needed in the job market.

Trick question - the Japanese, who don't run deficits like we do, are
currently in recession.  Are they paying for growth, or paying for
deficits?  And more importantly - what piece of legislation did Bush
not veto that caused Japan, France, Germany, the UK, etc. to have a
recession?
-- 
John F. Haugh II                             UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151                           Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
From: elrond@rivdell.sccsi.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Liability Insurance Cards
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:57:28 GMT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236


    I've been wondering about the legality and usefulness of selling blank
Insurance cards to be filled in (Insurance Company/Vehicles etc) by the
purchaser.  Is the selling of said item legal, and if so, Would they be
accepted by courts/peace officers?

    Please respond to -  elrond@rivdell.sccsi.com

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Church and state again
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:16:24 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <VQ4JNU6@taronga.com>, kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack) writes:
[quoting Heinlein]

|>    One should always consider a 
|>    candidate's religious beliefs; it is one of the most important
|>    things about him.  Whether a man is a Catholic, a Protestant,
|>    a Communist, a Mormon, or a Jew has a very strong bearing on
|>    how he will perform his duties in certain jobs.
|>    . . . 
|>    A man's 
|>    religion is a matter of free choice, even though most people remain 
|>    in the faiths to which they were born.  A Catholic can become a Jew;
|>    a Communist can become a Quaker.

It may be pointless to argue with Robert Heinlein on tx.politics, but
communism is not a religion.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Li
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:28:20 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep14.123031.4324@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>[I'm not from down here, either.  Is anyone really born in Texas, or
>do new people just move in as the old ones dehydrate from the heat and
>disappear?  :-)]

Harrumph.

...Jay, native Houstonian
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The blame game
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:47:53 GMT
	<1992Sep11.133547.509@technology.com>
	<1992Sep11.180847.27577@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Henry's Laughing Gas Co., Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.180847.27577@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.133547.509@technology.com> richard@technology.com (Richard Murphy) writes:
>>Would the free marketeers like to see the SEC abolished?
>
>The SEC is an interesting case.
>
>Our major competitors think the "insider trading" rules are silly;
>they don't have them.

Andy,

Am I not correct in assuming that "insider trading" rules include those
laws which might punish a CEO for buying up major shares a week before
a fantastic product announcement is made and dumping major shares
a week before layoffs are announced?

-pet-
--
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        HaL Computer Systems International, Ltd. -- A Bermuda Corporation
                Director of Custodial Services and Entertainment
				 Austin, Texas
                          "No balls, no blue chip."
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Health Ideas.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:12:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep10.002625.12614@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
|> What do you want?  Preventive care or exotic procedures to repair
|> damage that could be prevented?  General practioners are more useful
|> for the former, specialists like those in the US for the latter.
|> You may ask which doctors are coming to the US.

I dare wager that GPs make more in the United States too.  Why? 
Because they *can*.

The US system is far from perfect.  The reason it costs so much is
because the insurance industry is not subject to anti-trust laws and
therefore they fix the price of medical procedures to artificially
high "reasonable and prevailing" rates.  That and the monopolistic
control that the AMA has over who can practice medicine and how they
can conduct their businesses.  The answer to this is to remove the
controls and let the market forces determine the prices.  Sending the
bill to Uncle Sam is going to make matters worse, because then people
will be running to the doctor for every hangnail they get, because
it's free.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Church and state again
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Sep8.232145.21179@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>Your understanding of deism with respect to deists' beliefs about God's
>role on the world is correct.  Deism is certainly contrary to the beliefs
>of orthodox Christians.

The problem with that statement is that who you select as being "Orthodox"
determines who is and who isn't "Contrary" to those beliefs.

Christ said that =all= the law hinges on two laws - Love your neighbor
as yourself, and love your God with all your heart.  If Deists follow
those two laws, and have accepted Christ, then Christian orthodoxy can
stamp its feet all it wants ...
-- 
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Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  touch: everything they touch turns to
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  shit."
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |                  -- Jay Maynard
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies (was: Re: Legalized Theft)
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:37:59 GMT

In <21491@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.165348.13134@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>I was under the same impression as Ms. Levy.  The Wichita clinic is
>>one of the few IN THE COUNTRY which will perform 3rd trimester
>>abortions.  Even then, the acceptable grounds for such abortions were
>>pretty specific and restrictive.  Note that this apparent scarcity of
>>clinics and doctors who will perform 3rd trimested abortions does not
>>bode well for the provability of John's (so far) unsubstantiated
>>claims that abortions are resulting every day in live babies which are
>>subsequently smothered in rags.

>Clinics in LA advertise that they perform 3rd trimester abortions
>in the newspaper.

Fine.  How many?  How many do they do?  What, if any, restrictions are
there? 

>Next myth.

Bull.  You still haven't addressed the question.  Are you going to
answer it and give all your 'well-documented proof', or are you going
to continue to waffle?


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Xref: sparky tx.politics:4925 alt.politics.clinton:4448
From: david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-a
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Brooks)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525


JP> >    Wow, Jim.  And the Bible is not, NEVER has been, nor EVER WILL BE
JP> the
JP> >    guiding law of this country.  However, if you want to live
JP> somewhere

JP> >    Constitution and everyone believes in it.  This country REJECTS
JP> that
JP> >    idea.

JP> No, YOU reject it.  You do NOT speak for the country.  Many of the
JP> founding
JP> fathers of this nation had great respect for the Bible.  Many people
JP> still do.


JP>                                                Jim Pritchett


   No Jim, the Constitution of the United States rejects it, and the
   Constitution *IS* the country. The founding fathers may have had a
   great deal of respect for the Bible, but they explicitly drew the line
   at making it the Law if this contry. I have a great deal of respect for
   the Bible too, but I wouldn't want the Old Testament to get into the
   hands of a Far Right Christian Dictator. (and neither would you..so no
   arguments please!) Make it the law of your life, but not of the
   country, at least not THIS country!

      David Brooks

 * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] *
From: corywest@rice.edu (Cory West)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics,rice.galor
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and the Bible: (Go Away!)
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:57:53 GMT
	<RraDr*fX0@caleb.UUCP> <Bu69np.F58@rice.edu>
Followup-To: tx.politics
Organization: Well, none really, but I know where my socks are!



	Please take this discussion out of rice.galor.  The people that
want to read it can follow it up in tx.politics or rice.politics.
Thanks.


					Cory West,
					GALOR President