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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:43:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.182404.10406@wam.umd.edu> emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes:

   > In article <BILLMS.92Nov9145443@gip.eecs.umich.edu>,  
   billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   > > In article <92314.125028JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu> JJ Serowik  
   <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
   > > 
   > >    Seems to me that Emmitt is Without a Doubt, the best RB in the  
   league!
   > >    Seems to me, he singlehandedly(Sp?) whupped the Eagles D into a  
   Coma by
   > >    continually pounding them in the head! Seems to me, anyone who  
   gains 163 yards
   > >    agains a stingy Defense like the Eagles deserves it!  How many  
   yards did Foster
   > >    have that week?  And who were they playing?  Doesn't sound to me  
   like Emmitt
   > >    has any competition!  Thanx for the future flames:)
   > > 
   > > Agreed.  Emmitt is king stud #1, most importantly because he does it  
   behind
   > > such a low quality OL.
   >          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   > 
   > Yeah, right.
   > 
   > Brian
   > 


   I wouldn't call the OL low quality but decent.  In any case Emmitt is the  
   man

   -Tung

I would call your obtuseness shocking.  Given the stats this year, and any personal
observation of the Dallas line play, I think their quality should be clear to
all.

Bill
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Buffalo outguns Pittsburgh
Organization: Clark University
Date: 9 NOV 92 01:17:40 GMT

This was a pretty good game as advertised, though the Bills were in the
drivers seat throughout. Buffalo took advantage of the Steeler defensive
mistakes (Lofton's 2 tuchdowns), and Thurman Thomas had a very good all-
purpose day. I was very impressed with Jim Kelly, who seems to be spreading
out passes better lately instead of going deep with every other pass.

Pittsburgh's offense wasn't bad, but they weren't able to sustain a drive
in the final quarter. I think the biggest surprise in this game was the
discipline the Bills showed on offense. Their time of possession may well
have been better than the Steelers'. (Final score: 28 - 20)

Bart
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lawrence Taylor
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:54:44 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Med

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.2.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>
>Can someone with some time collect LT's career stats and post them.
>I'd love to get a look at the number of sacks he has had over the years or 
>who he sacked the most.

Ask and ye shall receive:

Regular season     Games Played   # Sacks 
--------------     ------------   --------
1981               16             9 1/2   
1982               9              7 1/2
1983               16             9
1984               16             11 1/2
1985               16             13 1/2
1986               16             20 1/2
1987               12             12
1988               12             15 1/2
1989               16             15
1990               16             10 1/2
1991               14             7

Totals             159            131 1/2

************************

Taylor vs the NFL (same format)

Atlanta            5              1
Buffalo            3              3
Chicago            4              0  
Cincinnati         1              1
Clevland           2              3
Dallas             19             14
Denver             3              0
Detroit            6              10
Green Bay          7              6 1/2
Houston            2              1 1/2
Kansas City        3              2 1/2
LA Raiders         3              2
LA Rams            8              5
Miami              1              1/2
Minnesota          2              7  (Ouch!)
New England        2              2
New Orleans        6              4
NY Jets            4              2
Philly             23             26
Cards              21             20
Pittsburgh         2              0
San Diego          3              1/2
San Fran           11             4 1/2
Seattle            4              1/2
Tampa Bay          4              5
Washington         20             18


And to the person who was surprised about the lack of Taylor info - how can we
get a message in with all this "Cowboy-Bandwagon", Eagles 16-0, and Buffalo
Woofing?

Gees, I remember the days when this group only got ~ 50 messages/day.
Now its 50/hour.

Go Giants!
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From: edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist)
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:59:31 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: edquist@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


In article <10NOV199212231625@mitme5.mit.edu>, kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
>In article <92314.091550RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN)      writes...
>>OJ Simpson was the first ever to do it, and Dickerson the only other
>>player. Didn't he accomplish this in his rookie year? Didn't he
>>even do it twice? Or maybe the first time he only came very
>>close (like 1995 or so).
>> 
>>Rene Zandbergen
>
>If I remember correctly, Dickerson gained 1808 yards rushing his first year in 
>1983 (?). That broke the rookie record for rushing but I do not remember who 
>had it before him. Also, Curt Warner came into the NFL the same year and broke 
>the AFC rookie rushing record with "Ground Chuck's" Seattle team.
>
>					Sincerely yours,
>
>					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic" 

I'm pretty sure Earl Campbell held the rookie record before Dickerson.  Campbell had
something like 1450 yards in 1978.
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From: cs127050@cs.brown.edu (Michael Kalman)
Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.162203.2306@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
...
|> NFC East
|> 
|> Redskins:  Outdoor
|> Giants:  Outdoor
|> Cardinals:  Outdoor
|> Eagles: Outdoor
|> Cowboys: Indoor
            ^^^^^^^
      Not much sun gets through all that lattice work atop
Texas Stadium (which is why there's usually dozens of wet
spots on the turf) but the stadium IS OUTDOORS.


|> NFC West
|> 
|> 49ers: Outdoors
|> Falcons: Outdoors
            ^^^^^^^^
    Georgia Dome opened this year.

|> Saints: Indoors
|> Rams: Outdoors

|> AFC East
|> 
|> Buffalo: Outdoor
|> Miami: Outdoor
|> Colts: Indoor
|> Jets: Outdoor
|> Pats:  Outdoor (I think they moved from a domed to 
|>         a grass field last year)
          ^^^^^^
      All they did was convert Foxboro Stadium from turf
to grass in anticipation of the '94 World Cup.
...

|> Please feel free to correct since these are off the top of my head.


                                  Michael Kalman
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From: richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne)
Subject: Trivia
Distribution: world
Organization: Richard Clyne (Home System)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:00:44 +0000

Who was the last player to rush for a TD, pass for a TD, Receive a TD, and
return for a TD in the same season?

I'll guess at an ansew in a weeks time.
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From: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Upcoming Draft
Originator: mcanders@c00369-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:20:09 GMT



|> 
|> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> >1- Drew Bledsoe (Wash St.) Tampa Bay needs a QB
|> 
|> Fred Edelstein said the same thing on ESPN, so you can kiss 
|> this one goodbye.  has Edelstein *ever* been right about *anything*?
|> 
|> >2- Garrison Hearst (Georgia) The Falcons
|> >3- Lincoln Kennedy (U of Wash) Jets
|> 
|> But the teams you listed are not the highest on the draft chart.
|> The current situation is:
|> 
|>  1.  NE     0-9
|>  2.  Sea    1-8
|>  3.  Det    2-7
|>  -.  NYJ    2-7
|>  5.  Atl    3-6
|>  -.  GB     3-6
|>  -.  Phx    3-6
|>  -.  Rams   3-6
|>  -.  Rdrs   3-6
|>  -.  TB     3-6
|> 11.  Chi    4-5
|>  -.  Cin    4-5
|>  -.  Ind    4-5
|>  -.  SD     4-5
|> 
|> New England should take somebody that can return kickoffs.  He will
|> probably get the ball more often than any RB.
|> 
|> Seattle could take Lincoln Kennedy because their offense sucks big
|> time and they need to stabilize the line.
|> 
|> Detroit may also go after Kennedy.
|> 
|> The Jets need a brain transplant, not a draft.  They usually get good
|> players, though, so I don't worry about them.
|> 
|> Rumour says that the Raiders will draft Qadry Ismail and then try to
|> convince Raghib to come and join him.  I think they should draft Rick
|> Mirer though (even if he's not Joe Montana, he could be Steve
|> Beuerlein.)
|> 
|> 
|> --Gidi
|> 
|> 


Detroit will probably do anything to get Kennedy. The fall of Barry Sanders
is a direct result of the fall of his offensive line.

Pheonix, as has been noted, is the best 3-6 team in the league. When you watch
them it is hard to find a huge weakness. Maybe a pass rusher is needed so 
watch for Barrow(U. of Miami), Jones(FSU), or DeBose(Notre Dame).

Whoever drafts Rick Mirer is going to be very disappointed. He is overrated.

For a sleeper pick, how about Derrick Alexander from Michigan?
Not in the first round but maybe second or third. If he hadn't gotten injured
in game one last year then Desmond would never have won the Heisman. Alexander
has nearly the same talent level and they would have split the receptions.
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:55:43 GMT

In article <BxL61A.xq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:
>   Well, today they announced some changes for the Bears:
> 
>   Darrin Lewis will start for Neil Anderson
>   David Tate will start for Mark Carrier
>   Richard Fain will start for Lemuel Stinson
> 
>     and I think Woolford is benched also.
> 

No, I think Woolford is in; it is John Roper who is out with Ron
Cox in.

>       What do you all think of it?

I think that Ditka must go.; even though the benchings are a 
good idea.  We need a house cleaning in Chicago if we want to
stop the cycle of going waaay down before coming back up.



Darren Lewis is a nice exciting runner.    I like him over Anderson
at the present moment.  I think Anderson agrees with his own benching
also( even though his best games have been against TB)



-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears fake punt illegal (was Re: Browns News - Nov 2nd - Be sure to vote!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:29:01 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <ELM.92Nov5015610@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:
>stopped short of the sideline, and caught an easy throw.  The only
>rule that has to be followed is that the player must start out between
>the hash marks.  Once he's reported there, he can start anywhere on the
>field.

Nope.

If there are substitues for his team in close proximity to where he
lines up, then it is considered a hide out - 15 yards.
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From: blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard)
Subject: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:34:08 GMT

  Well, today they announced some changes for the Bears:

  Darrin Lewis will start for Neil Anderson
  David Tate will start for Mark Carrier
  Richard Fain will start for Lemuel Stinson

    and I think Woolford is benched also.

      What do you all think of it?

      I agree with benching Anderson, he just isn't running as well
      these past two seasons.  He doesn't keep his head up anymore and
      look for holes -- he is always just diving for a yard or two.

      I think shaking up the secondary is a good idea, but I don;t think
      Carrier is doing a bad job, but maybe it;s just me cos I like him
      and remember how awesome he was in his rookie season.


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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: They might be faking it...
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:12:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Nov9.101232
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <910427m.63.721319824@ace.acadiau.ca>, 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON
MATTHEW MCDONALD) writes:
> 
> 
> I was watching the Bengals/Bears game last night on TSN, which was carrying 
> the ESPN broadcast, and I heard possibly the stupidest comment I've ever 
> actually heard while watching football.
> 
> Picture this.  Bears winning by a fair margin ( 14 I think), 2nd Half
> Bengels have the ball on or about their 45 yard line. 
> It's fourth down.
> 1 to go.
> The Bengals line up to go for it.
> The ever so intelligent ESPN reporter says;
> 'They're going to go for it, or at least fake it'
> 
> FAKE IT?????  What the hell does FAKE IT mean.  How the HELL to you fake 
> going on a fourth down?  I don't know, maybe this guy sees something I don'
> t.  But if you ask me, it's just plain stupidity.
> 

Probably what the announcer was thinking was that the bengals might try to
get the bears to jump offside and if the bears didn't then the bengals
would just take a delay of game penalty, then punt.
From: t_trunc@chips.bash.edu (Tursiops Truncatus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BILLS WILL MAKE MOST OF 2nd CHANCE!
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:48:04 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Chips Pathology, Inc.

In article <Bx9rtC.Muv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:

>Nuff Said!!!
>1. AFC East

Why, yes!  The Buffalo Chips *are* in the AFC East!

>2. AFC (Home-field)

Yes, the Chips home-field is part of the AFC!

>3. Superbowl

The chips have lost 2 in a row!  They are *perfect* in Superbowls!

>4. ?

And here we have it!  The ultimate symbol of Buffalo Football Exploits!

TT

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GREAT MOMENTS IN BUFFALO FOOTBALL HISTORY:  Jim Kelly throws perfect 
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playoffs.
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From: apo@owlnet.rice.edu (Apolak Borthakur)
Subject: Re: Oilers Against NFC Teams.
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:34:43 GMT

In article <BxMDpM.9B0@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:


|> but I should say that as much as I respect Moon's abilities
|> , I hate the Oilers for their
|> boastful nature 


Might I remind you(since you seem to be unaware of it) that
the Jerry Glanville, boastful era of the Oilers is over. Since
Pardee took over, the Oilers can not be called boastful, by
any stretch of imagination. Hotheads like Chris Dishman have
calmed down. I havent seen the team boast of thrashing any team-
even teams they are heavily favored to beat-
rather, they always seem to make polite statements like," We
can't underestimate them", etc.
Of course, in every team you have some players making some stray,
arrogant comments- noone can prevent that. Like, Lee Williams was
pretty pissed off with the manager of his ex-team, the Rams- and he
made some boastful statements when they came to play here. But, 
as a team they are not boastful, no way!
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From: dpm@liberty.b29.ingr.com (David Mikesell)
Subject: Steelers' WRs (was Re: STEELERS:  Eric Green suspended)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:50:25 GMT

In article <10NOV92.21570250@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>The first time a player is caught doing drugs, the league gives him some kind
>of warning but does not make it public. The second time, he gets the 6-game
>suspension (you can figure out which time it is for Green). After that I think
>he gets suspended for a year, but I'm not sure.
>
>Green was very apologetic in his response to the media, saying "I made a
>mistake."
>
>Well, at least we have a solid backup in Cooper. Eric Green is one of my
>favorite players, but first he gets a rep for not being durable, and now
>this. If anything else happens maybe they should consider trading him for
>a decent WR or lineman. 
   ^^^^^^^^^

	Actually, I think the Steelers have very good WRs, albeit young ones,
but they don't throw to them that much.  Jeff Graham has drawn some double 
coverage due to his early success, but Ernie Mills has performed very well in
the last two weeks.  I don't think Dwight "hands of" Stone will get his job
back.  Also, the new guy Davenport (#80) made some tough catches in the Bills
game.  
	I think the Steelers offense could be much more explosive with these
guys, and it will in time as O'Donnell and the offense matures.  In fact,
with Eric Green on the sidelines now, look for them to start going to these
guys more often.

>
>Bart

dpm
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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: sick Young
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 05:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.233118.2968@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, rex@cs.washington.edu (Rex Jakobovits) writes:
>Does anybody have news about Steve Young?  Is he over the flu and
>ready to play sunday, or is it still questionable?

He definitely will not play Sunday  ;-)

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:18:54 GMT

drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>>XIX     SF vs Miami 38 - 16   Stanford     84,059   Montana, SF
>                               ^^^^^^^^
>The networks screwed this one up so bad it could be an answer to a triva
>question. If you believe that the "site" is a city and not a school, then
>they played in Palo Alto.

The Stanford Farm is *not* part of the city of Palo Alto.  The stadium
is on campus, so as a matter of fact, it *is* at Stanford, and not in
Palo Alto.


>After all, Pitt didn't play Rams at USC.

You must be confusing UCLA with USC again -- well, they both start
with U.  I guess it's rally kinda hard to tell them apart.


--Gidi
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rushers and a little more (top ten single season)
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:27:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov12.063834.29728@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
> <1992Nov12.014033.29861@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>>                        SINGLE-SEASON RUSHING LEADERS
>>
>>            Player           Team      year  att.  yards   avg
>>      ------------------ ------------ ------ ----- ------ -----
>> 1    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1984   379   2105   5.6
>> 2    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1973   332   2003   6.0
>> 3    Earl Campbell      Houston       1980   373   1934   5.2
>> 4    Jim Brown          Cleveland     1963   291   1883   6.5
>> 5    Walter Payton      Chicago       1977   339   1852   5.5
>> 6    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1986   404   1821   4.5
>> 7    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1975   329   1817   5.5
>> 8    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1983   390   1808   4.6
>> 9    Marcus Allen       LA Raiders    1985   390   1759   4.5
>>10    Gerald Riggs       Atlanta       1985   397   1719   4.3
> 
> Stats like this make me wonder how anyone could seriously question Jim
> Brown as being the best back to ever play the game.  The man gained his
> 1883 in a 12 game season.  No one else on this list has as good a per game
> average as Brown did, nor the per carry average he maintained.
> 
> 
> Gordon
> -- 
> The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
> of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
> Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.

      I completely agree. Now along the same lines, I think Dan Marino
should be considered the best passing QB in the history of the game. I
saw a graphic during a MNF game last year that had the top ten averages
of yards per game for a QB ( all time ). I don't remember the exact #'s
but Marino averaged 265 yards a game plus or minus 3 yards, and the #2
guy, can't remember his name, averaged about 200. Now the remarkable thing
about this is the 2 through the 10 ranked QB's had about 20 to 30 yards
seperating them.
      This means Marino stands alone with approx. 50 to 60 yards differance
between him and #2 with all the other greats far behind. When looking at
Marino's passing yardage he should be able to do in 12-13 years what Fran
T. did in 18. All this has taken place with Miami having average (some above
some below) teams. Before the followups begin, let me remind you that I 
said Marino should be considered the all-time best PASSING QB, not to be
confused with the best all around QB. Also I think Marino is in the top 3
life time ratings of passers. At the end of Marino's career I look for him
to surpass the 50,000 yard mark, and hopefully he will have more NFL Cham-
pionships then Fran.

                       -doug THE dolfan-
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