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From: ay@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Alec Yin)
Subject: High End Audio, anyone? Re: CD's .vs. LP's 
Reply-To: ay@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Alec Yin)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:56:00 GMT

With all these talk on hi-fi, I would like to post a question:

Does anyone has any experience locating some of those european high end
name brands in the states like 'sovereign' or 'martin santour(sp! I know I
must be seriously off for this, last time I heard it was 3 years ago at
a friend house. and no I am not talking about Martin logan) '?  Or better
yet, anybody has any channels for importing these goodies here?  The reason
for posting here is that these brands are generally available in HK while
not in US.  Any one?

							Alec


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ctyau@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (YAU Chor-tung)
Subject: Re: Need software to read big5 files on PC
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:10:12 GMT

yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen) writes:

>I'd like to be able to read big5 files on PC (or to convert big5 to GB files
>-- I have got software to read GB files on PC).  Can anyone suggest me an
>FTP site please?  Thanks in advance.

>---- Daniel Yuen
>     (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)

Do you know there is a Chinese version of MS-Window on PC?  It can read
big5 codes.  It is common here and I don't know if it is available in
countries dominated by non-Chinese.

Yau Chor Tung.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cfs2b@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chun Fai Szeto)
Subject: Re: ghost story
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:41:01 GMT

Please email the story to me, I can't find it in alt.folklore....

Thanks in advance.


Chun
cfs2b@Virginia.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:08:00 GMT

tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip) writes:

>auditing government's expenditure and maintaining people's living 
>standard. It's the first time govenment's financal plan has been 
>challenged in Legco for it didn't lower the income tax even with last 
>year's big revenue. They question the government for over-expenditure 
>in building UST. They criticise the government for wasting 100 million 
>in building Tai Lo Shan Tunnel because of the mistake in the contract. 
>There are numerous cases to show that Legco has spend great effort to 
>audit government's expenditure. And most important, legco exert great 
>pressure to monitor the airport project. I don't see all these is 
>possible without those elected members. If this legco is 80's legco, 
>they will just pass everything without all these debate. 

So what? The Officers in charge needn't step down when they make such
mistakes. 

>I definitely not agree with you that more democracy in legco --> 99% of 
>the HK's reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

The correct interpretation is that

  1. Pattern raise the so call democracy proposal as a bargaining chip
     on the airport-talk table.
  2. If China allow UK takes more money from HK. The proposal will
     turns out less democracy. For example, for every 5 Billion HK$ ship
     to UK, there will be one less elected seat in LegCo.

This is the turth, whether you believe it or not. Turth is Turth. 


>>K.F. Iu

>Tung wai yip
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Wennies re TRASHED!!
Keywords: Wennies
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:21:30 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>
>Stanford Univ. (the Cardinals) just trashed Univ. of California at Berkeley's
>football team.  One should recall, however, that Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>(the Huskies) trashed Standford 42-7 a few weeks ago.
>
>- Louis

  And Arizona dropped the then no.1 Washington 2 weeks ago. And USC
  beat Arizona a week ago... See if we can close the loop back to
  Stanford. :-)

  leo.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: truong@software.org (James Truong)
Subject: The Lover is now showing in DC area
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Distribution: dc va md
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:19:08 GMT


Dear DC area SCHK netters:

  The hot movie "The Lover" is now showing exclusively at 
  Cineplex Odeon @ Dupont Circle, 1350 19th St. NW, 
  202-872-9555.  Show time follows:
  Screen A: 2:05, 4:20, 7:05, 9:20 (11:30 Fri/Sat)
  Screen B: 2:35, 4:50, 7:35, 9:50


  I am going to see this movie sometime this week.  Maybe we
  can make this a SCHK getogether?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2214 Rock Hill Rd, Herndon VA 22070  Bellnet:  (703) 742-7121
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Dog Killing (Was : Is it right to eat dogs?)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:47:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Nov16.234720.29502
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1e8h8tINNs1g@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> tlm@deutsch.doc.ic.ac.uk (Te Lung Man) writes:
>water. The reason ? The dog would struggle violently for its survial and so
>its heart would operate at full-throttle, leading to a fast circulation of
>blood.  As a result, its meat would be more delicious. Another example is a
>hangman like dog execution. A noose is put around the unfortunate dog and is
>hung on to a tree, the dog is then repeatedly beaten with heavy weapons until
>it dies. The reason ? Again the rapid circulation of blood in the dog.

This is different from what some hunters have told me.  An excited animal
prior to death is usually pumped up with adrenaline and adrenaline makes the
meat tough and sour.  Having a clean kill on a unstartled animal is prefered.
You may be right.  When I lived in GuangZhou, all the dog meat I seen at the
"hot dog stands" were stewed.  So, I guess it doesn't matter if the meat is
tough or not to begin with.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cfwong@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Downtown boy)
Subject: Re: Sports
Keywords: HKers talking US College sports   
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:42:35 EST

In article <jkH=9y@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>In article <lgvpl7INN9r6@victoria.cs.utexas.edu> s662@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:
>>
>>Personally, I think these re interesting and sometimes informative.  To me,
>>I m more interested in these little things than those discussions on movie
>>stars or singers.  I havent heard their names anyway.
>>
>
>Well, since most Hong Kong youngsters like to play basketball.  I'd kindly
>suggest those in the U.S. pay attentions to the Michigan Wolverines this year.
>Last year, the 5 freshmen starters (the Fabulous Five) marched all the way to
>play for National Championship (and lost to Duke, the defending champion).
>
>This year, they're ranked #1 in the nation and is the heavy favorite to win
>the national championship.  Check the games vs. Duke on Dec.05.  
>
>I mentioned this because they played rather in a street-wise style, which is 
>quite different from what most of you used to see (and play).  But heck, they
>are damn amazing!
>
>
>- Louis
>
>
   Lou, I think you guys at Ann Arbor can't wait for the football season
   to be over huh? Fab Five are good, damn good! Man, there will be no
   fun in March. I hope they all turn pro after this season. Then SU
   might have the slightest chance when they return to the tournament.


   Nelson --  still in the midst of the post SU-UM game blues.  



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: qye@next6 (QIAN YE)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:20:39 GMT

In article <2815@tymix.Tymnet.COM> mikemo@opus.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.015100.1421@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk>  
b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
> >
> >Today is Dr. Sun 126th birthday.
> >Happy birthday to Dr. Sun.
> >
> >
> >Great Era.
> 
> Happy Birthday, Dr. Sun   
> 
> If you live 20 years longer, China will not be today's China.
> 
> Mike
If Mike borned 100 years ago, China will not be today's China.
If Mike didn't borned, China will not be today's China.
Do you think any these word have any sence.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:40:27 GMT


lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) wrote:

|> In article <1992Nov22.171024.13784@dsg.tandem.com>, Steven Leung wrote:
|> ...
|> Thanks a lot.

You are welcome.

|> >instead of Po1 Leng3 Shui3, Fang4 Leng3 Jian4.
|> 
|> I guess [it is] "Ti Hu Guan Ding" and "Dang Tou Bang He"...

I'm glad that you have this Jue2Wu4, Shan4 Zai1, Shan4 Zai. :-) :-) :-)

|> ...
|> Before I dream of creating a model for others,
|> make sure I can stand firm for 50 years no change.

Here you go again. Chi1 Er Bi4 Jing4 Wei4 Wu4, Ke3 Xi1, Ke3 Xi1.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Ka Wo Anthony Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:07:25 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Raju.Daryanani@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani) writes:


>In a msg on <Nov 10 17:54>, Aaron Wong of 6:700/1.300 writes:
> AW> From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
> AW> Chinese believe in reincarnation after death unless one has 
> AW> done so much evil that he/she deserved to become a ghost. One 
> AW> the other hand, if you are nice enough, you can become a 
> AW> godling. (Can't do that in Western Culture.)

>This is news to me.  I thought in Chinese culture you always became a ghost when you die, hence ancestor worship.  If people are reincarnated why go an worship at your ancestors' graves?  Could someone shed light on this?

The idea of reincarnation came from Buddism which originated from India,
I believe.  The proccess of reincarnation does not take place straight
away when someone past away.  It is a matter of fate and consequences.
Well, ancestors' worship is a practice of paying respect although some
people have some request in mind.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: phung@attmail.com
Subject: The Art of Singing in Cantonese Opera
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"From Speech to Song: The Art of Singing in Cantonese Opera"
------------------------------------------------------------

sponsored by:  Music From China

Speaker:       Prof. Bell Yung
               Music Dept.
               Univ. of Pittsburgh

Date:          Nov. 21 (Sat), 2:30 PM

Locaton:       Chatham Square Regional Library
               33 East Broadway
               New York City

Free Admission

Prof. Yung talks on the variety of techiques & styles of "speaking" (BAAK)
and "singing" (CHEUNG) used by Cantonese opera performers. Some, such as
plain BAAK, sounds almost identical to ordinary speech. Others make use of
rhyming schemes & phrase length patterns for the text, as well as special
rhythmics & tonal patterns for the melody. A spectrum of the various modes
of aural commucation ranging from "speech" to "song" demostrates the rich
variety of the art of singing in Cantonese opera.

Examples of BAAK & CHEUNG are demostrated by actress Lau Ying Chiu of the
Guangzhou Cantonese Opera Company with musical accompaniment.

*this event is mode possible with public funds from the Noational Endowment
for the Arts, New York State Council on the Arts, & NYC Dept. of Cultual
Affairs.
From: garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:51:12 GMT
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:

> Copyright 1992 The New York Times
> November 18, 1992  Late Edition  A1 and A11
> China Threatens Hong Kong Treaty by Nicholas D. Kristof
>  
> >         Beijing,  Nov.  17  -- China  has sharply  escalated  its
> > dispute with the British and Hong Kong authorities by threatening
> > to  scrap  the 1984 agreement that promised Hong  Kong  continued
> > political  and  economic  freedom for 50 years after  the  colony
> > returns to Chinese control in 1997.
> >
> >         The  threat  was  made on Monday night  by  Deputy  Prime
> > Minister  Zhu Rongji,  who was in London for talks  with  British
> > officials.

It has been corrected. This is a misinterpretation.

> Sorry, the foreigner U.K. cares about our well-being (to some extent),
> whereas the gangster group that now controls our motherland does
> not.  It would rather let HK go down the drain than let it have
> more democracy.

Politic is not that simple. Democracy is not everything.

-Gary

garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
GloCom BBS - The BBS brings usenet/internet to Hong Kong Public (852)4925025
From: Anthony.Kwan@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Anthony Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: change real name
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:34:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On <Nov 09 10:58>, Kwong;Thomas;K.;CS;;COMS;Grad;94063 of 6:700/1.300 wrote to All:

 K> __] *     Internet: tomkwong@cs.ucsb.edu                 # 	 
 K> [--]  [   *     Voicenet: (805) 967-3040                      

Hello from Hong kOng.  what is Voicenet?  Please elaborate.

- BR, Anthony Kwan - 
Environment + IT Net
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From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:32:28 GMT
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany

In article <1992Nov17.201212.22066@oracle.us.oracle.com>, glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <6130198@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>>soc.culture.hongkong / glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) /  6:30 pm  Nov 12, 1992 /
>>
>>>If you are talking immigrants to England, yes you can.  But not
>>>immigrants to HK.
>>>Immigrants to HK from mainland can't get a BNO passport no matter how
>>>many years they have been in HK.  They can only get CI.  This is
>>>common sense.  Maybe you have been away for too long.
>>>----------
>>
>>No. Immigrants from mainland can get a BNO. Only after they nationalised 
>>to British Subject. The procedure is a bit different from nationalisation
>>into UK. Yes, all people having their nationality stated as Chinese can 
>>apply for CI only. To nationalise to HK British, one has to put an advert.
>>in an offical newspaper like SCMP, Wah Q Yat Pao (Oversea Chinese Daily)
>>or Shing Dao Yat Pao. I don't think many people would noticed such advertise-
>>ment. A lot of businessman in the 60s or 70s nationalised because the
>>difficulty in obtaining visa to some countries with a CI. Up untill 15
>>years ago (I forgot the exact year), many south east asian countries 
>>required a CI holder provide some reference. 
>>
>>Yes, I have left for a long time. Or maybe you are just not aware because
>>CI is more useful these days.
>>
>To my understanding, one can apply for a BNO only if he/she is born
>in HK.  Then he/she can have two choiced for nationality, HK British
>or Chinese.  If one has chosen Chinese nationality, he/she can only
>get a CI.  But whenever he/she gives up this Chinese nationality, he
>/she can get a BNO or BDTC.
>However, immigrants from mainland to HK will never get a HK British
>passports.
>

This is just out of pure curiosity:

I was just wondering what the US policy is on having dual nationalities? Say I 
was born in HK and am now a US citizen, then can I still apply for a BNO? I
remember vaguely hearing something about the US not accepting people with dual
citizenship. I think you renounce your US citizenship if you apply for any
other country's citizenship at any time after naturalization. But this is only
my uninformed opinion so correct me if I'm wrong. 

Thanks
-JS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:38:28 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: shanghai

In article <1992Nov20.220831.16489@cs.wisc.edu> poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon) writes:
>>
>>I am proud to let you know that soc.culture.hongkong has entered
>>China yesterday.  Shanghai is the first Fidonet site inside Red China
>>who starts to receive this newsgroup.  More FidoNet sites will carry SCHK 
>>into the heart of China in the NEAR future!!!!!  
>>
>>BTW, Beijing should be next!!!!
>>
>
>So will it be censored?  I'm very curious about who can read the
>news.  Could anyone tell me?  Thanks.
>
>


I am considering posting a short tutorial on how to change the header info.
in your postings.  Say, you may get something like

*****

Newgroup: business.funeral_home.waiting_list
Subject: Re: Drop-dead Mr. Deng, your looks make me itch!
Summary:  
Expires: June 30, 1997
Followup-To: Uncle Deng
Distribution: Hot-blooded Chinese all over the places
Organization: Fight for Democracy Underground Liberal Fronts
Keywords: "Mo-bay-go", anyone?  

Dear comrade Deng:

Do you have any "Mo-bay-go" handy for me to borrow by any chance?
	
Your looks made me itch.  I've took 4 showers in sucessions but still couldn't
help.  Is it because of your anguish red eyes reminded me of very hot pepper
...

*****

Just an excerpt.


- Louis


P.S.  In case you don't know, "Mo-bay-go" is the best selling "paste" to 
      temporarily ease bug bites, itchy skins, etc. in HK







Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.043127.11534@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
>The governor has never listened to the people but the BIG MOUTHs in Hong
>Kong. What we people want are low property price, low inflation rate,
>better health care, better education system, better social wellfare ...
>Only the BIG MOUTHs want 20 or more direct elected seats in LegCo. No
>body cares people's life. 
>C.M. Hui

Logic tells me that in order to have your last three wishes come true,
public policy is involved, and who votes on the public policy? Well, of
course, it's the LegCo and ExCo. Therefore, "all these people out there" want

  "better health care, better education system, better social wellfare"
   (your words)

and how can you give it to them? Two ways: lobby the uneleted members
of LegCo and ExCo, or have more members of LegCo elected by "the
people", who naturally will elect someone that favours legislation that
provides for your (and the people's) three wishes. Having more directly
elected seats in the LegCo, provided the method of election is via
universal sufferage, is the only way to achieve your three wishes.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
From: Ben.Yoong@f925.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Ben Yoong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:22:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Re:   PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
[NOTE: Message modified on 23 Nov 92  00:00:47]
I do believe that British interest comes before any other concern for
Chris Patten to draft out such a "modest" constitutional reform package
for 1995. Nevertheless, paying too much heed to conspiracy theory like
the "bargaining chip" and "economic pie-sharing" scenarios or
divide-and-rule tactics will only add momentum for the sterilisation of
our political development by the PRC.  None has a bigger interest in
freezing the HK polity in the colonial mould than Beijing.
 
To get his reform into reality, Chris Patten needs all the support he
can get from the people of HK.  The failure of his reform won't do him
or the British any harm -- it's the HK people who will lose out by being
deprived of their democratic government.  The British had not given
us any sense of democracy for the past 150 years though it guaranteed
relative freedoms.  That does not mean that we Hongkong people do not
deserve more democracy for the last 5 years of British rule or in
future.  Hong Kong, as a top international trading and financial centre,
has all the foundations and need for a democratic government.
 
No matter what we feel towards the British, we should not abstain from
making 
a stand on this issue.  If Hongkongers failed to catch the ticket for 
democratic reforms, we would have missed the best chance for a deepening of 
democratic institutions before the territory reverts to Chinese
sovereignty.  
We have the prosperity and stability because the British colonial gov't
still 
pays respect to human rights, freedoms and the rule of law.  China don't,
at 
least not now.  We cannot rely on the goodwill of the PRC to guarantee our 
prosperity and stability.  The only safeguards against chaos, arbitrary
rule 
and corruption of a re-colonisation by the vested interests is democratic 
government by the people of HK.
 
If you are one of the "silent majority" (which is unlikely since they won't 
even be responding to messages here), your "silence" is condoning
those who want to monopolise political power within the vested interests.
If you haven't made your voice heard yet, please call up the Governor's
House 
or fax a letter to the Governor at [852]-521-1868.
 
 
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