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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: POPCORN
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:42:56 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> To Willard, my respond to your remarks TYPED IN ALL CAPS, was not meant
> to be shouting.  I used all caps so as to have my remarks standout in
> all the extracted comments.  Geez.....

Geez yourself :-)  Most persons I've dealt with accept that typing in "all
caps" is meant to convey shouting, and is usually regarded as something to
avoid by civilized posters.. except to show either anger, or other emotional
context in which shouting is actually appropriate.  It seemed to me to be
a bit out of place for your entire follow-up message to be in all caps.

> I'll have to get back to you on your comments......I really thought this
> news network was suppose to provide an opportunity for people to express
> their opinions about particular subjects and be able to 'hear' others
> views.  I didn't realize people would be psycho-analyzing your statements.

Psycho-analyzing?  I don't follow your thread of thought.

> Get real, asking the definition of true fan.  It's probably just semantics
> and I should have used 'hardcore fan' instead.  The problem is you missed
> the *essence* of what I was saying or trying to say.  So, I guess that explai
> why you could never accept input from the fans for performances that have
> entertainment value - you don't comprehend the intangible. 
> 
> Streuer_D (pronouced 'Destroyer')

I never said I'd never accept input from fans.  I said, or tried to say, that
I'd like you to define "true fan."  What makes one fan "truer" than another?
Do you imply by these sort of distinctions that one group of fans might have
something more valid to say (in declaring what they find entertaining) than
another group of fans?  If you're going to compartmentalize fandom in any
way, I'd like to know how you plan on separating us (yes, I'm actually
saying I'm a drum corps fan.. surprised?).

I didn't realize that fans, true or otherwise, are intangible.  I don't accept
that drum corps is intangible in any sense of the word.  As for "semantics,"
is that not the essence of discussion?  I mean, how can I determine what it
is that YOU really mean except by asking you to clarify those parts I still
find confusing or ambiguous?

Not being involved in a local discussion where both parties have the privilege
of forming an immediate reply, and not really wanting to wait for your replies
to appear on the net before expressing my own opinions (which, of course, may
be modified by your subsequent follow-ups), I can only forge ahead with my own
posts.. and hope that I don't offend.

Of course, if you find my questions to bothersome to answer, then by all
means, confuse the issue by YELLING or by questioning (smearing?) my
discussion tactics, and continue to ignore the actual questions I've asked.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:52:29 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:

[ A most depressing tale of his local PBS station's lack of involvement
  with the community... ]

> The point I'd like to make is that drum corps deserves and needs
> media exposure, but it needs the kind of exposure that acquaints
> viewers with their entertainment value and motivates people to
> get off their couches and come to a live performance.  
> Most media producers have misconceptions that work against
> good P.R. for drum corps.  Next year, invite your local news anchor
> to a competition!

Probably good advice, though perhaps you'd be just as well served by
getting ANYONE from the station to show up.  It certainly helps if that
person becomes an outright fan.  For example, a certain NBC affiliate in
Chattanooga has a couple of bicycle racing (my other hobby) nuts in their
camera pool.. any guesses as to whether bicycle racing gets decent coverage
in their news? Well, the answer is.. it's not the sort of coverage we
bicyclists would prefer (we'd rather have our sport accorded the same as
golf, tennis, etc.)..  but it beats the hell out of no coverage at all.

The problem with PBS stations, perhaps more than with their commercial
counterparts, is that MONEY TALKS.  If they were convinced that the patrons
of drum corps events and programming were rich snoots that are likely to be
seeking that ever-important tax write-off, they'd be much more likely to
try to expand their coverage of drum corps.

I really like the idea of trying to get one of the cable channels to do
some telecasts.  So what if DCI still wants to farm the finals broadcast?
They could at least test the waters on the regional events.  That would
let them have a real build-up in the television market.. leading up to
the finals week.  That's what drives televised sports.  Sure, people tune
in for individual games, but they're really interested in how today's game
will affect standings in the season-long competition.

However, that is probably the true down-side to the whole question of
marketing drum corps in today's modern television environment:  that the
competitive aspect of the "sport" would likely be over emphasized.  That
would certainly dismay almost everyone participating in this particular
forum.

But, if it meant that there were twice as many drum corps, with some
increase (I can't accept a decline) in the overall quality and cardinal
number of large, open-class drum corps..  I might be willing to shrug
off some of the necessary evils brought with it all.

As television and other networking technology becomes less expensive,
and as cable TV works to bring more and more programming to smaller and
smaller audiences, I believe the time has come for a strong push for
MORE TELEVISED DRUM CORPS.  (Certainly not less, as has been the recent,
decade-long trend.)


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dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: POPCORN
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 04:04:40 GMT

Did you get an address with that flyer? Who or where are these
people? I would be interested.
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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: length of shows
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 15:59:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu says:

>The time limit is shorter because of the space available on CDs.  12 corps will
>fit on 2 CDs, the top 24 on 4.  What a horror if we fill up those discs
>with long recordings, then have to put out half a disc for the 1 or 2 corps
>left out!

Actually, my understanding (I believe that I read this somewhere in DCI Today?)
was that the shows were shortened so that the RECORDS would comprise
under 45 minutes of music.  I think that's the typical maximum program
length of LPs.  You know how you could always count on an LP fitting on
one side of a 90 minute tape?  DC shows just overstepped that.  But I'd
have to agree that with the onset of CDs it's not a good reason to tamper
with the show format.  Maybe they were trying to standardize to the
rest of the world's recording format.

Scott

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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Percussion Techniques (was: Re: Original Corps Compositions)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:38:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.183156.6559@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:

>Some months ago (perhaps it was over a year ago), The Instrumentalist
>magazine had an article on snare techniques.  I wish I had the article
>in front of me ...
>
>Anyway, one of the things the article talked about was how there are
>two kinds of drum rolls for snare: the concert roll and the military
>roll.  The basic difference is that in a military roll, the stick strikes
>the drum head twice for every stroke, whereas in a concert roll the
>stick strikes the head an indefinite number of times per stroke.  The
>article basically said that percussion instructors usually teach one
>kind of roll or the other, but that the student will only be able to
>do that kind of roll.  The article then went on to suggest a method
>of teaching both kinds of rolls so that students could do both.

Any good teacher would teach both. I know many drum corps chops-hounds
that could greatly benefit from a Vic Firth book, and many good
orchestral players that couldn't play a Sousa march to save their
lives. Those who belittle the merits of either style just don't see
the whole picture.

>For you drum corps percussionists out there: how difficult was/is it
>for you to learn how to do a concert roll (or, rather, "unlearn" the
>military roll to be able to do a concert roll)?

No problem at all. I think this might be like telling a clarinet
student that you have to unlearn playing the lower registar in
order to learn the upper. They are both skills that the player
needs, and one is not mutually exclusive of the other.

>I personally would like to hear more concert rolls in drum corps
>performances, even though it would be less impressive visually.

They are becomming more prevalent every year...too much so, in my
opinion. The reason you probably don't notice them more is that
they don't really project, and are difficult to hear.

>BTW, there were/are plenty of other good articles on percussion in the
>Instrumentalist over the last couple years.  There was some article on
>the N basic percussion rudiments (trivia quiz for percussionists: what
>number is N?)

Depends. Originally it was thirteen, then updated to 26, and more recently,
thiry-something, (I think) in a pamphlet by Jay Wanamaker, Rob Carson, and
a few others. Any self-respecting snare drummer could probably come up with
50 or more "compound" rudiments.

--Brad

 


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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: innovations to advance corps
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:58:23 GMT


With all of this talk to expand the audience of drum corps, I was
reminded of one innovation that really bugged me.  I heard that there
is one or two corps that want to include electronic percussion.  This 
is not the way for DCI to go.  I don't mind many other innovations; I
attribute it to progress and deal with it, but this one really gets
under my skin.
Is anyone in favor of this?

--David
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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: notable?  ME???
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:14:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>
> Also notable absentees off the top of my head:
>
> .....
>     Scott Gordon Vahl
>

WOW!!!  I've NEVER been called "notable" before!   THANKS!!!

I just got back today.  Vacation didn't end until one week after
DCI week (yes, I was at finals - killer seats smack on the 50 about
40 rows up).  Maybe sometime this week I'll get the strength up to
write a review.

                           Scott
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:06:43 GMT

In article <15503751@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>koreis@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Koreis) wrote in:
>Subject: Short Memories
>Message-ID: <1992Sep3.053304.22718@u.washington.edu>
> 
>>Okay, so there is mention of the Cavies performing Holst's "Planets" in
[...] kool old drill

>Speaking of Crossmen, they also moved planets around in their
>closer "Superman".  (SCV did Jupiter, BTW)

That was an excellent "Judge Trapper" as i recall. Before the judges got the 
hang of what was going on I seem to recall a few getting trapped inside the
circles... 

It's nice to have people on here who might actually possibly remember shows from
the 70's, yeah, back when we -carried- the pit. You have not lived until
you have carried a set of Musser Chimes in drill.

-- flip


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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:18:38 GMT

In article <BtpG23.9Gs@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:

>After marching in Spirit's drumline in '88, I started taking lessons from a
>great percussionist from ASYO.  The first few months where spent fixing my
>playing style that I had learned from Spirit.  Playing techniques of drum
>corps are VERY different from playing orchestral music (for percussion at
>least).  I would guess then that the reason that drum corps gets knocked is 
>that it does no good for the "real" styles of playing.  BTW, this guy
                              ^^^^^^            
>marched Spirit in '81 so he wasn't hard on corps he was just truthful.

What does "real" mean? I think you might want to delete the word "real"
here, and insert "symphonic" or "orchestral". Also, I don't think that
learning one style should preclude you from being proficient at another.
When you practice your tympani grip or work with 4 mallets, do you have 
to go back and "relearn" your snare grip? I have heard the argument for 
years that drum corps ruins your style and musical sensitivity. I just 
don't by it. :-) I think your teacher is doing you a disservice if he is 
telling you that any style is more legitimate than another.

BTW: do you know Billy Hanes or Heath Lawless? I take it by your .sig
that you are still undecided about where to march in '93. Give me a 
shout if you have an interest in Cavaliers.

--Brad.

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From: stevenj@athena.mit.edu (Steven G Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DCI publicity
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:37:07 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

[Michael Fath writes:]

>One of my long standing gripes about DCI is their failure to generate
>publicity for the drum corps activity outside of our tiny clique of
>corps/band enthusiasts.  I sometimes wonder how many of the current
>drum corps fans are fans mainly because they marched in corps
>themselves or had family that marched.  I suspect that the number is
>very high and I take this to mean that drum corps has almost ZERO
>exposure in the "real world".

This is probably true, although I am an exception.  I marched in HS band
long ago, and no one in my family has ever been in corps.

>Let me give you some examples -- you have your morning shows (Today,
>Good Morning America, CBS This Morning) that love to do little
>segments on popular culture.  When August rolls around, why doesn't
>DCI call them up and promote the activity to them?  I mean, Willard
>Scott will promote the Boise Pig Calling Festival if you send him a
>T-shirt for God's sake!

Last year (1991) I helped the Cavaliers for a few days in June.  They had
a letter from DCI posted on the cook trailer concerning negotiations with
CBS about a drum corps feature during DCI week on their morning show.
Basically, two options were being discussed.  The first was a segment on
Thursday or Friday morning (I forget what was to be included here, but
I think it included a live performance by one of the contenders).  The
other option was a live performance Sunday morning by the newly-crowned
champion corps.  The letter from DCI was being sent to the highly-ranked
corps warning them that their services might be required on Sunday
after DCI finals in Dallas.  I never heard anything about this project
later in the summer, so the negotiations must have failed.

>I remember seeing an NBC Sports trailer in Madison.  Does anybody know if/when
>NBC Sports will be broadcasting something on it?  That is a start - but there
>are so many possible ways to promote the drum corps activity to the rest of
>the world.

The producers of the DCI telecast have been renting the NBC Sports trailer
for the past few years, since they don't have their own facilities.

-Glenn Johnson
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 20:15:12 -0400 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: VK's next frontier
	<BtyIFs.91z@wpi.WPI.EDU>

On 02-Sep-92 in Re: VK's next frontier       
user David D Marshall@wpi.WPI writes:
>What is "Off The Line"?  Should we (alt.drumcorps) be familiar with it.
>Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently subscribed to this group.

Off-The-Line is an electronic newsletter that was really the precursor
to the formation of this newsgroup last year.  Since the formation of
this newsgroup, though, the traffic has dropped off to almost nil. 
Another copy should be out soon addressing the issue of whether it
should be dropped or not.

deej
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From: C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S1410102)
Subject: Re: Crossmen lore
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:17:48 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Sep3.180104.3725@edsr.eds.com> gwr@tantalum.eds.com writes:

> Can someone explain the story about the caped figure with 
> the mask who stands in the visitors'-side aisle during the 
> Crossmen's performances?  

	The "Crossmen Phantom" I BELIEVE was brought back in 1990 and made 
an entrance magically appearing in a *poof* of smoke on the back 50 with cloak
spread.  I was told this fellow may have marched long ago and follows the tour
around when he can.  He is dressed in an early Crossmen uniform and tends to
pop up at the larger shows!  Can anyone support this?

- dolittle
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:09:07 GMT

In article <BttCBp.B11@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:

(there is no reason that...)
>>learning one style should preclude you from being proficient at another.
>>When you practice your tympani grip or work with 4 mallets, do you have 
>>to go back and "relearn" your snare grip? I have heard the argument for 
>>years that drum corps ruins your style and musical sensitivity. I just 
>>don't by it. :-) I think your teacher is doing you a disservice if he is 
>>telling you that any style is more legitimate than another.
>
>All three styles mentioned above are all different.  Timpani playing
>requires (or at least the style I was taught) the thumbs to be facing up.
>Mallet playing is more like snare drum except that you hold them different.
>My instructor did always stress the importants of practicing all three
>disciplines of playing so that one style would not go over to the other.

Exactly my point! If you can play Tympani and mallets without distorting
your concert snare technique, why should playing in drum corps screw it up?
As you say, all are different, but rudimental playing is the only one that 
you claim ruins your technique. Why is this? You can play mallets, tympani,
and concert snare simultaneoulsly with no problems, but as soon as you play
a flam drag your style goes all to hell? I'm a little confused...

--Brad

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Cadets '86 closer
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:49:11 GMT

afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer) writes:
>Aaron (Garfield 83-86)
                 ^^^^^  Oooooohhhhhh!!  You make me sick!!  ;-)!!!

I'm so jealous I could spit.  You have 3 championship rings.  Arrgghhh.

There, I'm better now.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was: do you happen to have a recording of
the 1985 pit playing "First Circle".  We toured with you quite a bit
second tour, and I really loved your arrangement of that piece (BD could
have learned a thing or two.)

I'd really like to hear it again.

Later,
Bob
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From: v071pzp4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig L. Cole)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: When will DCI shows be put on Laser Disc???
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For a few years now I've been holding back on buying the
videocassettes of the DCI championships for two reasons:

1. They _are_ a lot of money (~$100)
2. Videocassettes _do_ wear out

I keep hoping someday the people who give us these specatucular
videos would sell them on laser disc. . .

Has anybody heard anything that maybe they will in the (near)
future?

Craig Cole
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