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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Re: MAD magazine and in-lining (was Re: Braking in general w/inlines)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:37:06 GMT

In article <STXTNT.93Jan21185518@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov> stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) writes:
>>stopping technique has something to do with a brick wall. The consequences of
>>use of such a technique are illustrated on the front cover.
>
>I hate the ask this but isn't a brick wall an instantaneous stop in
>the FAQ?  All kidding aside using walls (cars, vans, etc) is a good
>emergency stop technique...if you learn how.  It beats getting run
>over...

Erm, yes, actually I did mention walls and parked vehicles as viable
"last resorts" in the FAQ 8-)  but this was meant in the context of
the so-called billiard-ball stop/wall stop (see below), where you stop 
with mainly your arms acting as pistons to absorb the impact.  

The other context would be Falling or Collisions, where it truly is a
LAST resort, where you've got nothing but your reflexes to keep you
from getting run over or end up going 60mph downhill or whatever.

>
>Anyway the quick synopsis in case it's not in the FAQ is to hold your
>arms out with elbows slightly bent fingers extended but pointing up.
>When the tips of the fingers hit the wall turn your head and do a push
>up (well add tension to the arms to break the impact).  We've
>practiced at 7-10 mph and I've done it once as a test at maybe a
>little faster (say 12-14).  At the higher speed it knocks the wind out
>of you, hurts you chest and scrapes the heck out out your toes but
>your face doesn't get hurt and you don't break your arms :) I doubt if
>I like to try at 15+ mph though...at some point your head will hit the
>wall...
>

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Skates are faster than bikes! (was: ASTM Roller ...)
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:53:56 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

Obviously skates are not faster than bikes on the flats, but Uwe may have
a case for the downhills since a skilled pack of skaters will have a more
efficient draft than bikers, and a lower profile.  Also, when skaters touch
each other in a draft they can push togther as one unit, which bikers cannot
do.

>> Skaters can draft each other more closely than cyclists. They can touch
>> each other and form a "train" when going downhills. This allows them to
>> go faster than cyclists.

>Bicylists to this in race situations.

Do what?  Get as close as skaters?  Or touch?  They can't do either because of
the wheels.

>> In the Athens-to-Atlanta race I observed the lead pack of skaters
>> routinely outrunning all support bicycle riders on the major downhills.

>I would wonder if this says more about the condition of the cycists
>relative to the skaters than the efficiency of the skates vs. cycles.

Uwe may have been talking about the Dutch team that raced in Athens to
Atlanta in 1991.  The number I heard was 65mph down the three diamond
hill-- the steepest hill in the race which graciously has no sharp turn or
stop at the bottom.

>What kind of average speed can good skaters maintain over several
>miles or tens of miles?

22-24mph on the flats.

Kimon
kimon@holonet.net
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From: arny@vesta.unm.edu (L Alan Dye)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Looking for New Inlines...
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:39:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vesta.unm.edu

I've been using my room-mates 'blades for about 2 years now (he never did),
and love the speed, exercise, and general thrashability of this sport, however:
my room-mate recently moved away and took his skates with him (the curr!). So,
all said and done, I'm in the market for some new skates. I realize that a cheap
skate is a BAD skate, so I'm trying to research as much as possible and visit
all of the local skate shops, but I would really appreciate any individual or
personal help as well. So, here it is:
	Anyone who has opinions about or owns what he/she feels is a very good
	skate, please send me your ideas/suggestions and the following info (as
	much as is possible anyway...):
		Skate	Make:
			Model:
			General Price range:
			Comments or comfort/inner boot design and padding:
			Type of Closure:
			Flexability of rail design (how can these babies be 
				rockered?)
			Materials used for boot and rails (I ask this because
				the skates I used to use were the ancient
				Lightning design, with METAL rails, which I
				prefer over the plastic or fiberglass
				composites)
			Anything else you think I should know:
Please send replys via e-mail, or post back on this board....I usually check 
fairly often.

Thanx in advance,

Arny

P.S.YES (before anyone flames me) I HAVE READ THE FAQ, and it doesn't have enough info for me... I want more opinions and things to look for in a pair of skates, not just factual info about things like what color laces come with what skates...

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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Chaining, drafting, call it what you will, explained
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:19:50 GMT

>> The thing I've heard about the close-quarters downhills is that the rearmost
>> person pushes on the person in front of him, who pushes on the person in front
>> of him, who pushes [...]. The person at the front of the line can literally
>> have hundreds of pounds of pressure on his hips adding to his acceleration
>> going down the hill. 

>This is the old idea that a cannonball falls faster than the feather.  
>The line of skaters should only be able to gain greater acceleration through
>the minimization of air drag.  

Right. Nobody's pushing on anybody. It's the same idea as in auto racing.
It shouldn't actually make much difference on a descent, but when the racers
are on a flat, you end up with two skaters working against the resistance
of one (+ a little). The lead skater still has to contend with the resistance
of their frontal surface area, but loses the drag produced by the trailing
turbulence; the reverse is true for the trailing skater. Note that this 
doesn't equate to twice the power versus the same resistance; rather, each
skater is dealing with some fraction (probably 70-90%) of the original
resistance and they are thus able to go X miles an hour faster. The reason
it doesn't matter much on a descent is that the skaters aren't working
against air resistance--gravity is doing the work, which remains constant
assuming constant pitch--and it doesn't matter how the resistance is divided
up if the total resistance remains the same. Note, too, that adding more 
skaters between the two should have a minimal impact on skating speed--the
lead skater gains no more advantage from two or more skaters behind him
(or her) than s/he does from one. And it is the lead skater who dictates
the speed of the line. Of course, all the skaters behind the leader get
to skate without frontal resistance and will stay fresh longer than the
leader or a lone skater (assuming proper conditioning, of course).

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Who's who of net.figure.skaters
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:06:35 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: world
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1jl2rfINN9v9@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton) writes:
> The *good* skaters have been responding to this thread so far, so this will
> balance things out. :-)
> 
> In August, a co-worker invited me to go ice skating with her.  I was reluctant
> to go because I knew what would happen. :-(  Sure enough, I get on the ice,
> and could barely even stand up in the skates, much less skate anywhere.
> I think I fell down four times during that session.  I was what I call a "rail
> clinger".  I looked over at the figure skaters so effortlessly doing their
> tricks:  "Wow!!! How do they do it?!!!"

Of course one of the tricks it act as if it's the easiest thing in the world,
no matter how long it took you to master the move, no matter you know you
don't really do it right, no matter...

I'm pretty horrible this way - as mentioned before, I'm not really a very
good skater and my moves are somewhat limited, but give me a chance to show
off in front of some relative newcomers and the ham really comes forth.
I mean nobody's going to clap, but just the comment "you make that look easy"
charges the ego for the night.

One of the things I like about skating is that not only do you grow and
develop skills at a rate that you can feel, but also you get to measure
and compare your skills to others - not neccessarily in a comptetive sense,
but every beginner starts out ragged, but you soon find yourself on par
with the other beginners, and then startup moving up.

> I've been working on backward single-blade glides lately, and *today* I finally
> starting doing them for a couple of seconds.  Hey, stop laughing!  That's a
> big improvement!
...
> What I enjoy most about ice skating is learning to do new things.  The crowds
> during public sessions just go in circles.  Boring!  I'm looking forward to
> soon doing backwards edge-drills, Mohawk turns and 3-turns.

A bit more and you can do those clean edges while whizzing though and around
the crush and sneak in a few turns here and there.  While I can't/won't try
mohawks at warp speed, I don't have any problem doing them at normal session
round-n-round speed.

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: cadday@coulomb.pcc.oz.au (Dean Caddaye)
Subject: Re: Faster t-stop (how to)
Organization: Prospect Electricity
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 23:49:03 GMT

Jim Aites (aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM) wrote:
: Here's an interesting way to get more stopping power in your t-stop.
: 
: The drag of a t-stop is decreased by having MOST of your weight on the
: front foot.  One way of helping you put more weight on your dragging 
: foot, is to lift the toes of your lead skate.  This means that you'll 
: be riding your front skate on only the rear wheel! This comes off a lot 
: like a heel-toe 'glide'.

A second way, which is much the same as Jim's method, is to also employ the use
of the heel brake (if you use one). As you lift the front wheels 
of the lead skate off the ground, plant the heel brake of the lead skate
whilst performing a t-stop. This should enable you to stop even more quickly
since you then have not only the wheels of your rear skate providing drag,
but also the heel brake (which is an effective method of braking in its own
right).
-- 
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% Prospect Electricity
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From: sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Who's who of net.figure.skaters
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:06:57 GMT

Gee, this is a lot scarier than talking about who's going to win Worlds...

I got introduced to figure skating by a friend I met scuba diving.  Figure
skating has always been something I wanted to learn, and I even played
some ice hockey in college, but I'd always thought of it as "too hard."
But, there I was, wearing my old Bauer hockey skates, trying to learn
Mohawks... :-)

Several months later, when I was just barely landing my Waltz jumps, the
same friend called me at work and asked whether I'd be interested in
carrying a flag on the ice at the opening ceremonies of the 1992 Worlds,
which were held in Oakland.  I didn't even own my own figure skates-
I'd been skating on rentals!  So, I "borrowed" a pair of skates from a
local rink and skated on them (black boot covers were essential- the
skates were made of blue plastic...).  It was fabulous- skating in front
of 10,000 people at the Oakland Coliseum!  One of the most exciting things
I've done.

After that, I got hooked  big time.  I got myself a pair of SP-Teris and
a coach, and threw myself into skating (coincidentally, I had just broken
up with my girlfriend, so I had plenty of time and no desire to start dating
again :-).  It's been nearly a year since then, and I've gotten all my
single-rotation jumps except for the Axel.  I've almost got a 1-foot spin
now, and I've been in a couple of competitions.  I tape every second
of figure skating on TV, and skate on average 5 times a week.  I've joined
a precision skating team (the Ice Quakes), and we're going to Denver next
month to compete at Pacific Coasts.  But I want it known that I could stop
this behavior anytime.  Really.  (NOT!!)

Sol
---------------

My opinions, not Loral's.
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Skates are faster than bikes! (was: ASTM Roller ...)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:28:16 GMT

In article <38755@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>I'm quite a bit skeptical about your assertions that skaters are
>"faster" than cyclists, but lacking any direct observations to
>the point, I'll leave it.
>
>Phil?

I don't really know. Road Rash Rod could tell us for sure.

The thing I've heard about the close-quarters downhills is that the rearmost
person pushes on the person in front of him, who pushes on the person in front
of him, who pushes [...]. The person at the front of the line can literally
have hundreds of pounds of pressure on his hips adding to his acceleration
going down the hill. 

Of course, there's absolutely no way for the poor guy in the front to bail if
the speeds exceed his tolerance for pain (I had a ski instructor once who
appropriately labeled this subjective speed "point death.") And if he crashes
and burns, everyone behind him probably will, too.

In short, I don't know if skaters are faster than cyclists. But the amount of
faith they must have in the skills of their fellow atheletes is pretty darn
similar.

--phil
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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate,alt.skate
Subject: Re: Where to Skate (NYC Metro)
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:55:41
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
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NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: danny@cbnewsg.cb.att.com's message of 27 Jan 93 15:41:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.154104.16854@cbfsb.cb.att.com> danny@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (daniel.moran) writes:



   Hi,

   I just received a pair of Coolblades for my big "Three Oh".  I live in
   Brooklyn and was wondering where were the best places to blade in NYC.
   I read the where to skate postings but, they did not include New York.
   Also, I work in Piscataway, NJ, so where to skate suggestion for there
   would be welcome as well.


For indoor skating, check out the Roxy Wednesdays, from 8PM-2AM. Also
there is a dance school, Lesley's (sp?), that has roller skating
(inluding inline) lessons.

Roxy
          Event: (212) 627-0404
       Buisness: (212) 645-5156
            NYC: 515 W 18th St (10Ave)
		 Manhattan, NY 

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn )
Subject: Re: Kucichii and Wedland?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:26:23 GMT

mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman) writes:

>I was looking over the standings for the Pairs at the Nationals and
>notcied that Jenny Meno and Todd Sand are now skating togther. Does
>anybody know what happened to Natasha Kucichii (former partner of
>Todd Sand and my fave US pair) and Scott Wedland (former partner
>of Jenny Meno)? In the what happened to category, I also wondered
>if Chris Bowman is still skating. Last I heard he had dumped
>Toller Cranston (or was it the other way around) and was back in
>California. I really enjoyed his skating when he paying attention
>to it. I would give him my vote as the most sad waste of a great
>talent. Sort of the John MacEnroe of Skating but more tempermental.

>Amy Mossman



About Christopher Bowman, I saw him o ABC this moring yesterday.  He said that
he has already turned pro and skating with the Ice Capades!  And, he is 
seriously considerig re-instatement to enter the 1994 Olympic!  Now, a question raised in my head.  I wonder how many skater from each country is allowed to 
sent to the 1994 Olympic.  Since, a lot of pro are thinking about the entering,
like Boitano, Hamilton, Bowman, Witt and.....may be Yamaguchi?



Venus

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Reply-To: gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:59:01 GMT


A few observations on the skaters in this event based on what was shown
by US television coverage:

1.  I saw huge improvement in Lisa Ervin's skating, which I saw in an
exhibition a few months back in late October '92.

2.  Nancy Kerrigan's skating, when she is able to keep the pressure on
her undercontrol, has also was MUCH better.  I just wish she could find
that magic formula Paul Wyle found in his '92 Olympics programs.

3.  I was surprised at the lack of dominant skaters in the Men's, Pairs, 
and Ice Dance disciplines.

4.  It appeared that the revised ice dancing rules have moved that discipline
back to a style more imediately appreciated by the public at large.  This
seemed to pull the live audience, as well as my family, into the performances
more than in the last few broadcast events.

5.  I wonder if the Men's and Woman's disciplines are ripe for some form
of rule change that will establish more balance between jumping abilities
and the other technical elements.  Lisa Ervin's performance and resulting
silver shows potential of moving in this direction, but I suspect reducing
triple jumps without a rule change is far too risky for the skaters that
have worked so hard to master them.  Unfortunately, it seems to make these
competitions into jumping contests, with the person with the least falls
winning.
--
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Principal Software Engineer	phone: (508) 486-6598
Digital Equipment Corporation	fax:   (508) 486-6648  or (508) 486-6100
Newsgroups: rec.skate,slo.general,poly.announce
From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Subject: BladeRunners-Inline Skating Club meeting 01/27 Wednesday 8:30p.m
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: slo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:41:51 GMT

BladeRunners is holding the first Icebreaker skating bash for this
quarter on January 27, Wednesday at 8:30 p.m. Top two level of the Palm
Street Parking Structure.  Look out for the club fliers around campus
for more info.  Bring your skates and let's break some bones...

Hockey, Speed Skaters, Free Style, Beginners and all levels are welcome
to join us.  More info. and events for the quarter will be available at
the meeting.

-- 
Internet:  kiwong@iris.calpoly.edu               Voice Mail:  (805) 756-5927
Bitnet:    DU338@oasis.calpoly.edu                     Fax :  (805) 756-5666
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch)
Subject: Re: NEW World Records!!! Koss: 6.38.77 :-) Zandstra: 156.882
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:05:36 GMT

In article <GREG.93Jan25125259@organia.sce.carleton.ca>, greg@organia.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks) writes:
|> In article <thole.727963883@cs.rulimburg.nl> thole@cs.rulimburg.nl (Johan Thole) writes:
|>    >If there is any interest (and if I find the time), I can post more
|>    >results, both men's and women's.
|> 
|>    Yes, yes! I will start with the last twelf male skaters (for the curious,
|>    the last twelf skaters after three distances may skate the 10000m).
|> 
|> Thanks for the results!
|> 
|> The last twelve are actually the *fastest* twelve skaters after the
|> first three distances (500, 5000, 1500) based on samelagt (sp?)
|> points.  Samelagt points are the times normalized to 500m.  Skaters
|> attempt to minimize points.

"Samelagt"?  Well, thanx for trying to speak Norwegian (?!?)  ;-)
It's "sammenlagt" (summed).

The last twelve (used to be sixteen) are basically the best 12 on the
5000m.  *However*, if another skater is among the best 6 (or 8?) in
points after three distances, he will replace the 12th on the list.
That is how Peter Adeberg (14th on 5000m) qualified.

I'll post some of the womens' result sometime tomorrow (haven't got my
newspaper here).

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PhD Student                  | N-7034 Trondheim, Norway
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From: cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:08:39 GMT
Subject: Warning: Bearing Cleaning
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

   For those of you considering using a water based solvent for cleaning
bearings, please be sure to make sure your bearings are dry after cleaning.
You can use a variety of methods to dry them (ie. oven, compressed air,
water displacing lubricant). I just seized up 4 bearings because I did not
use enough care. I will probably go back to using mineral spirits to avoid
this mess again, but that's not to say water based cleaners are bad. They have
the advantage of being more enviromentally friendly, but it's hard to get
over the $15.00 it cost me.

As a side note, I had an owner of a rink recommend fishing reel oil. He
mentioned Garcia's as the one they use.

             Charlie Brett - Ft. Collins, CO
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:56:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Braking in general w/inlines (was Re: Faster t-stop (how to))
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

>: The drag of a t-stop is decreased by having MOST of your weight on the
>: front foot.  One way of helping you put more weight on your dragging 
>: foot, is to lift the toes of your lead skate.  This means that you'll 
>: be riding your front skate on only the rear wheel! This comes off a lot 
>: like a heel-toe 'glide'.
>
>A second way, which is much the same as Jim's method, is to also employ the use
>of the heel brake (if you use one). As you lift the front wheels 
>of the lead skate off the ground, plant the heel brake of the lead skate
>whilst performing a t-stop. This should enable you to stop even more quickly
>since you then have not only the wheels of your rear skate providing drag,
>but also the heel brake (which is an effective method of braking in its own
>right).
>-- 
>% Dean Caddaye
>----------

How fast are you going when you use T-Stops?  Are they for high or low
speed stops?

Kirk out