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From: mnemonic@netcom.com (Rev Lebaredian)
Subject: Re: Einstuerzende Neubauten
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:20:04 GMT


  I don't really think Neubauten could end up on 120 minutes or college 
charts.  The fact that most of their work is in German wouldn't allow 
it.

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From: b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez)
Subject: NIN touring soon?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:47:11 GMT

Does anyone know if NIN will come to europe in the near furure, or if he'll
wait until the relase of the new album?

Thanks,

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"It is my opinion, that the man on the shroud is Jesus Christ"
From: rip@ocf.berkeley.edu (Rajat K. Paharia)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy & Industrial Music
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:54:32 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu


Somebody said:
>>> "Powerhouse" by Raymond Watts (I think, I'm just recalling from
>>> memory..) which Steroid Maximus covered.

Then I said:
>> Wow, they were playing Pig in a Ren and Stimpy cartoon? Cool man. 
>>  
>> You EE-DE-OT! You mean Raymond Scott. 

Then jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua John Buergel) writes:
>First, he did mean Raymond Watts.  Check your Pig stuff again.
>
>Second of all, "Powerhouse" was originally released on the Garage
>Monsters 7" of the same name, which was basically the people listed on
>the Steroid Maximus CD as working on that song.  I don't have the
>original 7", so I'm not sure if it's exactly the same or not, but
>Thirlwell was involved in the original, so I don't know if it's exactly
>a cover (can you cover your own song?).

Now I say:
What the hell are you talking about?
A- Raymond Watts is Pig. Pig has no song named Powerhouse.
B- The Garage Monsters/Steroid Maximus did Powerhouse. This was Jim Thirlwell
   by himself, with artistic help/inspiration by the Pizz (the cover/disc
   artist). Just Jim and his Macintosh. No Pigs. No Watts.
C- Powerhouse is not a Jim Thirlwell original. It's a tune by Raymond Scott,
   featured in many of the Warner Brothers cartoons. It's old. 

Now somebody else says:
(fill in the blank)

	Rajat K. Paharia
	rip@ocf.berkeley.edu
	Master Baker Music
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: pigface members
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:03:31 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1900.67.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp> john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) writes:

>Well, my first problem with the show was Chris Connelly... The man
>  should not attempt to "sing" (if he were just running his vocals
>  through an AmpMod patch, that would hve been fine). There were a few
>  high points at the show when Ogre either took over on vocals or
>  doubled, but asides from that, Ogre did nothing but tinker with a
>  CZ-101 or fumble with his guitar all night producing feedback. Both of
>  the albums that I've heard are horrible (thank god I didn't buy either
>  of them, nor pay to see them live at that). And for the record, I held
>  this opinion long before there were ever talks concerning opening
>  bands.

	At the Pigface show I saw, Chris Connely and Mary Byker were actually
the two best people there.  Ogre spent the whole show trying to figure out
what the hell was going on, and really didn't sing much, because he didn't
appear to know many of the lyrics.

	In all, I thought the show was pretty cool, so I went out and
bought GUB---Fucking Crappiest album I've ever bought.  I listen to my old
A-HA Cds more than that one.

	ToodlepiP!
	Marc 'e,
-- 
  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill P.O.W Camp         "Oh crap---It's not
  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA             random enough"
	Any opinions expressed are not mine, but those of the Demon Lord
      Yeegeheeegenogohugu who possessed me whilst I munched on Raisin Bran.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:37:12 EST
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Skinny Puppy = Dancey?

     I have seen several references here to Skinny Puppy as being dancey, or
of the dance/trance school, but I just don't see it. Groups like Nitzer Ebb,
NIN, okay, but SP?! How the hell can you dance to that? Just a few of their
early songs would be danceable, IMHO. Okay, now and then there are segments
that have a steady, reliable beat, but then, just when you might start picking
it up, Ogre & Co. throw a twist your way...


                 -Sean LeBlanc
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: spasmolytic 5song?
Keywords: skin pup
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:21:26 GMT

On the Spas.. cassette there is a live version of "Chorolone"(that's
how it's spelled..)

 I Don't know why it's not included on the CD- that's Nettwerk for yah...


coprophiliac

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Interview with Blixa Bargeld [1/2]
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:07:08 GMT

dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:

>	The second composer in question is Henryk Gorecki, and the piece
>Blixa's talking about in the interview (which goes from ppp to fff in
>dynamics) is most likely the recently-released version of Gorecki's
>Symphony no. 3. And yes, Blixa's right, it's a great piece...

And yes, Andrew's right, it's a great piece.  He played the CD for me
once and I rushed right out and bought it.

>>3.  Did anyone here see EN live before?  If so, how was it?

>Ask Ben Cox. I know he did, describing it as one of the loudest things he'd
>ever heard in his life (right up there with Skinny Puppy in ear-splinter
>capacity) :).

Yeah, I saw them in Summer 1991 at the Vic in Chicago, with Front Line
Assembly and the Legendary Pink Dots (I posted a review then).  They
were fantastic, and yes, it was really LOUD (second only to the Skinny
Puppy Last Rights concert, but a distant second).  They were very
energetic; it was a terrific show.

And I got to talk to F.M. Einheit.  But I didn't realize it was him at
the time.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: chris & cosey
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:48:52 GMT

>>>What videos has Spuppy done? I've only managed to see one in my 3 or 4 year
>>>of fandom...that was a video of "Dig It"
>Other Skinny Puppy videos that come to mind...
>-- Chainsaw (two versions)
>-- Warlock
>-- Testure
>-- Spasmolytic
>-- and Ain't it Dead Yet? (concert video filmed in Toronto)

and also `Stairs and Flowers`

Jester
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From: orpheus@next04cville.wam.umd.edu (Grant Jeffrey Barrus)
Subject: re: PHM COVER
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:51:25 GMT

Hahrrrrrrrr!

This is getting silly.
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From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: RMI CD Update
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:56:12 GMT

In article <ben.727818269@ipoint>, thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:

|> The CDs WILL eventually be made, and WILL be shipped out (even if I
|> have to drive down to Florida with my cousin Vinnie to get them). 

I'll meet you there!

|> I'm sorry I ever volunteered to do this project, and hope the
|> nightmare will soon end.

Even though I have not yet heard the discs (obviously :-) I am *not*
sorry you volunteered...I know it's been a royal pain, but I for one
appreciate the effort.

jds

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From: lcwu@athena.mit.edu (Lawren C Wu)
Subject: CDs For Sale
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:29:18 GMT


I have the following CDs for sale.  Prices include postage within the U.S.  If
you are interested in any of the CDs, please reply directly to me.  Thanks.

Lawren
lcwu@athena.mit.edu


KMFDM - Money			$8.50
Laibach - Kapital		$8.50
Breeders - Pod			$8.50
Colourbox - Colourbox		$9.00
Arrhythmia			$8.50
(Arrhythmia is a collection of percussive and rhythmic groups.  Includes tracks
from Formula 409, Muslimgauze, Dissecting Table, Crash Worship ADRV, memeto mori,
Pain Teens, Trance, Bast, Master/Slave Relationship, Chop Shop, Acandrum, Psy231,
Plateau, Iao Core, and Turbo Messiah)
From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: what i've heard from alien.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:42:16 PST
Reply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

pa_aml@dec17.coe.northeastern.edu (Andrew Lewis) writes:

> Is'nt it _The Book of The Law_ not _The Book of Lies_???
>
> (that Psalm 69 refers too....)

It's called "The Book Of Lies". Paul Barker informed me of that in an
interview for House of Usher when I asked him the meaning behind the
CD's title...


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From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: copyright is an anachronism
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:00:59 GMT


Copyright is an anachronism.  Originality, among social beings, is
always shared.  If you disagree with this sentiment, produce an example
of isolated originality.

First U2:

U2's work is based upon thousands of years of effort, by millions of
individuals.  U2's song "products" are dependent upon the English
language.  They did not develop this alone.  A U2 song is dependent
upon musical instruments that they did not develop themselves.  U2's
musical content is dependent upon a harmonic language which they did
not themselves invent.  Under current law, U2 can have economic rights
to a particular configuration of information within an information
context that is distributed among a vast history of effort.  Here is a
self-quote from an essay concerned with originality:

"Originality in other words, is simply a connection mapping of
history.  All creative efforts and products are affected by histories
which are greater in scope than the isolated history of the credited
"creator"; thus, a creator is but an *endpoint* in the history of a
particular creation.  All restrictions upon information, through
institutions based on the notion of ownership are bunk.  There is no
justification for isolated ownership of information as its
teleological field, and thus its ownership, is distributed through
human history.  Copyright law cannot be justified in its present
terms."

U2 has no right to restrict their own configurations of information;
their music is based upon theft (in their terms) or appropriation (my
terms).  Though I have not been allowed (through commercial channels)
to hear the song in question, Negativland seems to have used U2's work
in the same appropriating manner that U2 has used instrumentation,
song structure, harmony, touring, and other cultural gifts.  U2 is
blatantly exploiting our antiquated copyright laws for economic gain,
and they have damaged the efforts of Negativland to engage in cultural
exchange.


Kasey has an interesting case, but it is more fun to roast him:

All I can say that he let the cat out of the bag.  I see no legal
precedent for his neurotic want to confine his public and private
selves.  If someone manages to hear him say: "Golly! I wish I could
say 'fuck' and really mean it!"  then it is too late.  Lighten up
Kasey!  Even George Bush, the grand wizard of whiners, managed to
invite Dana Carvey to the White house.  Remember, we will have the
technology, sooner or later, to imitate human voices.  Uh oh.

We cannot own our words: diaries, voices, etc., if they are heard by
others; the ownership is implicitly shared among those who listen.
Otherwise, people would have the legal right to delete their presence
in other people's minds through brain surgery and psychiatric drugs.


Civilization is an information community, not an information prison.


Christopher Penrose
penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:09:42 EST
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Einsturzende Neubauten's "Tabula Rasa"
 <C16301.3AB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

    An interesting point is that Tabula Rasa is a clan in Clive Barker's book,
Imajica.
From: rshangle@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rick Shangle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Music of THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:38:45 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


   Alas, but one MASTER was forgotten in the telling of your tale. The ONE
and ONLY TRUE MASTER--

       	Al, aka Alien, Jourgensen, LORD of the NOISE STREAM.
        Connect the Goddamn Dots.

rick


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From: H5FK <H5FK@UNB.CA>
Subject: where'd she go?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:34:51 GMT

  i was directed here by a person named ramona.  at the risk of
sounding really lame, i assume that's a girls name or the name of an
extremely unfortunate guy.  my point is that whoever it was they
were neat and i want them to write me again if they don't mind.
maybe we could get a friendship going here.

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From: b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez)
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy = Dancey?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:15:56 GMT

Just listen to some of the great songs on TDP, get your boots on and DANCE!

(Grave wisdom is an all time favourite IMHO...)

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"Creatures running underground, all the cages rusted"
From: ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FLA's CORROSION
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:12:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfMgrmO00WBLM1z1xU
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


WHen was this released?
...............................................................................
.

                           EDDIE....

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From: etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten Sahlen)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Einsturzende Neubauten's "Tabula Rasa"
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:06:22 GMT

In article <93021.130942SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>An interesting point is that Tabula Rasa is a clan in Clive Barker's book,
>Imajica.

Originally, the term Tabula Rasa was used by British philosopher John Locke to
characterize the state of the human mind at birth. Literally, it means a blank
(or unwritten) sheet of paper, on which the individuals experiences and impressions
subsequently are printed. This theory make up the fundament for his empiricism.

-- 
>>>>-----------------Marten Sahlen  etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se-----------------<<<<
>>>-----Ellemtel Telecom Systems Lab, Box 1505, S-125 25 Alvsjo, Sweden------<<<
>>--------------------"An apple a day keeps the doctor away-------------------<<
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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: About FLA and Robocop
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:12:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.115909.1787@ugle.unit.no> eddie@solan.unit.no (Kjetil Valstadsve) writes:
>"Take them out, motherfucker, it's a ----", plus an unidentified (as of yet):
>"I don't think that the real (something) has even started yet".

	Er no, not Malcom X.  "Stick 'em up, motherfucker!  This is a HOL' UP!"
and the (something) in the second one is "violence" said with a Southern 
accent.  I wonder where they got that from?  Possibly the LA riots or 
something...

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From: owen@emds.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: 1000 Homo DJs
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:52:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Organisation: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA


Hi,

All local music stores around seem to be sold out of anything done by Al J.'s
band, 1000 Homo DJs.  One of the stores, Newbury Comics in Framingham MA, told 
me that the label the CD was released on has been bought out, by Interscope I 
think, and may be re-released at some point in the future, in which case I'll 
buy it.

In the meantime (no pun intended for you Interscope records fans...), might 
someone be able to tape any 1000 Homo DJs material for me?  Please let me know 
via mail.

Thanks,
Steve

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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: FLA Sample Sources
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:02:57 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <93021.101451U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> U38956@uicvm.uic.edu (Bones,) writes:
>Oh, yeah then there's also the following FLA sample from Mental Dementia:
>
>"I want to hear you scream!  AGAIN!"
>"AAIIEEEEE!"
>"NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"
>
>from the most painful part (from a male point of view) of the movie
>"Serpent and the Rainbow."

	Freaked me out when I was watching Silence of the Lambs, and 
Anthony Hopkins says:

"You know he's crazy, GO NOW!"

	Hit me like a brick---This is sampled in Track 6 of TNI (No idea what
the song name is---I'm a CD kinda guy)

	Coolness.

	Toodlepip!
	Marc 'em.
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      Yeegeheeegenogohugu who possessed me whilst I munched on Raisin Bran.
From: lee@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Peter Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: J.G. Thirlwell
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: lee@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Software Development Lab, UMass, Amherst
In-reply-to: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 01:15:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.011520.26820@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins) writes:
Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!hri.com!ukma!cs.widener.edu!dsinc!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!troi.cc.rochester.edu!wgns
   From: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins)
   Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
   Date: 26 Jan 93 01:15:20 GMT
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   Some questions:

   Is J.G. Thirlwell involved in anything currently?  
   Is Foetus dead?  
   Could someone give me a list of everything that J.G. Thirlwell had a hand
   in?  I want to own everything he's touched.

The most recent Thirwell release that I know of is his second album as
Steroid Maximus, "Gondwanaland."  (The first was called "Quilombo.")  Both
Steroid Maximus CDs are pretty cool -- much of the material sounds like a big
band jazz outfit playing industrial dance music.  He's also been busily
remixing and producing for other artists.  He worked on Jarboe's solo album,
and he's done two remixes of the new The The single.  I think he also worked
on the last EMF album (I know he remixed at least one track from their
previous one).  The last actual Foetus release I know about was the two CD
live set called "Male."

I'm sure someone else on the list can give you a complete discography...

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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Godflesh discography?
Originator: tphailey@c00734-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:46:21 GMT


	I have a comp. called the Pathological compilation. It has "By My 
Own Light" and "Love Is a Dog From Hell" by Godflesh on it. The comp. also
has some unreleased stuff by God, Coil, and a few other cool bands.
	As for bands similar to Godflesh, try Pitch Shifter and Scorn to an
extent. 
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: WaxTrax fate?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:01:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.182901.1828@netcom.com> mnemonic@netcom.com (Rev Le
aredian) writes:
>ohm@Siri.Unit.NO (Ole Hermann Melby) writes:
>: Bought up by TVT (NIN's label) according to MTV News at nigth.
>
>Oh shit.....
>


Understatement...

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