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From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about facts !
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:11:30 GMT

In article <BvnCHG.61E@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
 writes:
>>(Sorry, just my patriotism comming out!)
>Do patriotism and stupidity go hand in hand in the US?

I apologize on behalf of Dave Thomas.  He certainly doesn't represent every
American with his post.  Unfortunately, however, there is a fair number of
flag-waving chest-beaters in this country.  I doubt it will be enough to
re-elect George Bush next month, but I'm sure they'll try.  When Bill Clinton
came to campus last week to speak/campaign, the OSU College Republicans were
out in full force, chanting 'bullshit, bullshit' as well as various references
to the candidate's sex scandals, then winding things up with a shoving match
and a sign-burning.  All of the immature troublemakers were preppy white kids
...mostly frat boys.  These are the same types that made it quite clear
how 'patriotic' they were during the Gulf War.  Shitheads.

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Xref: sparky alt.desert-storm.facts:103 alt.desert-thekurds:10
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts,alt.desert-thekurds
Subject: Re: Let's join up groups
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:35:20 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

shulman@vxdesy.desy.de (Julian Shulman) writes:

>Hey, as there hasn't been much activity in the desert groups lets join up two
>of them to form:

>alt.desert-storm.facts.thekurds-deserted

This actually makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of redundant groups lying
around such as alt.desert-shield, alt.desertthe.kurds, alt.desert.topping,
alt.desert.spoon etc.

Why not rmgroup them and create alt.gulf-war?


Dave
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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about facts !
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:06:05 GMT

>>>>(Sorry, just my patriotism comming out!)
>>>Do patriotism and stupidity go hand in hand in the US?
>>I apologize on behalf of Dave Thomas.  He certainly doesn't represent every
>>American with his post.  Unfortunately, however, there is a fair number of
>>flag-waving chest-beaters in this country.
>If these folks you're talking about were so patriotic, why didn't they drop
>everything and enlist in the US Army?

Because their parents who are paying for their education want these kids to
grow up to be investment bankers, stock brokers, and economists, while the
poor people take care of filling the ranks in the Army.  
(soapbox #1: the armed forces are the only way out of poverty for too many
 people in this country, but then again, many homeless people are veterans...)
(soapbox #2: current frat fashion trends include tie-dye and Birkenstocks,
 the symbols of a liberal generation, yet you'd be hard-pressed to find a
 democrat in the frats around here.  Most of these clueless copycats are
just play-acting the Aquarian Age.)

>Bill Clinton is another sour point with me.  He DID evade the draft...

(soabox #3:
I don't see why people care about him evading the draft, having an affair,
inhaling marijuana 20 years ago, or whatever.  I mean, what the f*ck does
any of that have to do with being President?  No person is 100% morally
upright; why do people expect so much of the candidates?  To me, Bill
Clinton smoking a reefer at a party or having an affair is far less of a
bad thing than George Bush catering to big business, ignoring the plight
of the middle and lower class (i.e. most of America), and waging war all
over the world.  Not that Noriega or Hussein deserved a break, but I think
all the people who died or suffered at the hands of the military deserve
a little more respect than being swept under the rug.)

(soapbox #4: Los Angeles riots?  What riots?)

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
From: designer@archeteque.Corp.Sun.COM (David Posey)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about fact
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:31:29 GMT
Reply-To: designer@archeteque.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: archeteque.corp.sun.com

>>(Sorry, just my patriotism comming out!)

>Do patriotism and stupidity go hand in hand in the US?

From what I've seen, patriotism (nationalism, jingoism, chest-beating)
and stupidity go hand in hand nearly everywhere.
Do you know of an exception?

-David
From: lakia@ipact.com
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: North Coast
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:45:06 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <Bv7uss.5t2@andy.bgsu.edu>, jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
> 
>      For many years, oh, say since high school (late 70's), I've
> sometimes heard of the Great Lakes region being called the
> 
>      So I ask, are we 'North Coasterners,' as of being from the
> Northern coast of the Continental U.S.?  And, if so, I dare
> say, should we tolerate such impertinence as the theft of our
> name being applied to a bottle of California (i.e. not REAL)
> wine?  I don't know if I can accept this; what might anyone
> else think about it? 

Well are we greatlakes folks going to be as snobbish as the French, and
onl have official wines of the region.  What about the Italians? 
Spumante? 
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:08:26 CDT


I'm from Superior, Wisconsin and I never heard of the term "North Coast" ...
except on this newsgroup. But then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the
saying just hasn't got there yet. After all, this is an area where the new
things in town are instant cash machines and left-turn arrows, and full-
service gas stations are still common.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------
Dean Barker				Cray Research, Inc.
deanb@cray.com				655F Lone Oak Drive
(612) 683-5414				Eagan, MN 55121
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Triangle
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:09:34 GMT

In article <BvAwuv.70I@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> angel@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim Angel) writes:
>
>My father-in-law was watching some cable show that was talking about
>the Bermuda Triangle.  Then they mentioned the same phenomena was 
>happening in the "Great Lakes Triangle".  Has anybody heard of this
>before?  I mean I knew that ships have gone down without a trace
>but I didn't know there was such a folklore related to the region.
>
>Jim
>

There is a ton of folklore, because there have been something like
10,000 shipwrecks on the Lakes. But the Great Lakes Triangle thing comes
from a book published in 1977, by a guy named Courley, of that title. I
have the book, and just wrote a short and toungue-in-cheek article about
it for the Great Lakes Reporter, which I edit.
The author has a long list of "unexplained" ship and air disastors on or
over the Lakes, some if which are interesting and truly mysterious.
However his credibility is seriously eroded by things like not knowing
what a seiche is, and by the fact that several of the mysterious
shipwrecks he lists as having never been found have been found since
then. Also, most of his airplane disastor examples are private planes or
pre-jet era commercial planes, and air disastor researchers have
documented that the larger the plane (generally speaking), the less
prone it is to sudden failure, and that modern airliners are much safer
than 1950s and 60s turboprops.
So I didn't really find any reason to take it too seriously. Of course I
tend to be skeptical of such things, by nature; someone else might find
it as compelling as the Bermuda Triangle.

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: mctague@sju.edu (Brendan McTague)
Subject: Need Info on Lansing Area
Organization: St. Joseph's University - Philadelphia, PA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:03:22 GMT

My wife-to-be will be attending law school in the area next year and I 
need to know any and all info about Jobs (technical/computer related),
headhunters, and living expenses. I am extremely interested in rental
agencies and job leads.

    PLEASE HELP


Thanks for your time.

Brendan

*** Also, we have been having posting problems so PLEASE respond even
    if you can't help me.


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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: dcp@teak05.cray.com (Dennis Parker)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Originator: dcp@teak05
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:27:25 CDT


I've heard terms such as "North Coast", "Fresh Coast" and their ilk for several
years.  The terms always seem to come from some quasi-governmental economic
development agency that is trying to promote the Great Lakes region.  Somebody
figures that "Great Lakes" or "Midwestern" is far too dull to draw tourists from
outside the region.

- Dennis Parker
From: ellen@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Ellen Osinski)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:05:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Potawatami Park MI
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes

It has been about 6 years since I was last there, so my memory is a
bit rusty.

The Potawatomi Trail is in Pinkney Rec Area.  It is an 11 mile (or is it 17
miles??) loop trail through Pinkney.  It was a popular hiking trail and
I do not know if bikes are permitted.

As to how to get there... From Ann Arbor, I remember taking Huron River Drive 
west to North Territorial Road.  But, alas, it has been too many years 
to remember road names.  I could still get there driving, though.  Call 
your local DNR office and ask for directions.  Those folks were always 
very helpful and knowledgeable.

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  |  \           
  |   \             Ellen K. Osinski 
  |    |            Boise, ID 
  \    \           
  /     \        
  |      ---/\  
  |           |
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  | *         | 
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From: becca@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Rebecca M Hendrick)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Where are the bear in the UP?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:18:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: mi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

>In article <BvBFzn.ALs@ais.org> alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber) writes:
>>
>>  Many years ago (~30:) I remember waiting at dusk at a 'garbage
>>dump' for bear to come out to feed in Newberry in the UP. Are
>>there some good spots in the UP to see bear these days - hopefully
>>someplace a little nicer maybe?
>
>Close: try Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore. 


Another close place is the Rock River Canyon near Autrain Lake.  Take
Rock River Road North out of Chatham till you get to the Rock River.
Just past the RR is Forest Service Road 2276- go west.  Make sure you
take a compass and a county map because the trails are not clearly
marked.  Its National Wilderness area too.  Anyway, we ran into a grad
student from Northern MI Univ doing a bear survey and he said that the
Rock River Canyon had the largest concentration of bears in UP.  We
believed him given all the fresh bear scat around.

Becca



Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:44:20 GMT


The "northern coast" of California (from Marin County north) or "north
coast" is what it's called.  In places, it's also identified by the
county it's in, such as Sonoma Coast or Mendocino Coast.  The residents
thereof, however, are not referred to as "north coasters".

I'm a Michigan native and I've been all over the US, but for year-round,
heart-stopping beauty, nothing matches the northern coast of California.
You should only be so fortunate to see it one day.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:26:42 GMT

In Canada, the north coast is the one on the Arctic Ocean, although it gets
a tad confusing when you actually get up there and you have to consider
the north/south coasts of all the islands.  And then there's the problem
of what to do when your compass shows Mag North being south of you.

-- 
Eric_Johnson@ccu.umanitoba.ca 
I support the NRA, because with Bush and Quayle in the White House and 
Rehnquist on the Supreme Court, the last thing I want is a population incapable
of armed insurrection - Interview Magazine
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: RAID sites in Chicago Area?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 02 Oct 92 15:42:56 EST

Would anyone have any opinions or advice regarding the use of RAIDs
in the Chicago area?  Which ones seem to be predominant in the Illinois
and Wisconsin area?
---------------------------------------------------

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September Banyan Users
Meeting.  They work equally well with NetWare, IBM systems, workstations,
VAX, etc.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.

The drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity yesterday at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if a
drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for the VAX, their
key contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical Services,
at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Where are the bear in the UP?
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:26:09 GMT



Greetings,

  Many years ago (~30:) I remember waiting at dusk at a 'garbage
dump' for bear to come out to feed in Newberry in the UP. Are
there some good spots in the UP to see bear these days - hopefully
someplace a little nicer maybe?

Al - alb@ais.org
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: dlc@ais.org (David Claytor)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:18:16 GMT

East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast -- how about Great Coast (or Fresh
Coast)?

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: North Coast
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:55:40 GMT


     For many years, oh, say since high school (late 70's), I've
sometimes heard of the Great Lakes region being called the
North Coast  You know, "the North Coast parties the most" etc...
I've carried the idea of that name with me all over the world
while in the military, it was the one thing that repeatedly
reminded me of 'home'.

     Tonight I opened a bottle of wine given to me recently by
a friend.  It's a bottle of Beringer White-Zinfandel which,
according to another friend of mine who knows his grapes and
wines, at least those of the California variety _quite_ well,
isn't a Zinfandel at all, since it isn't blood red, "no such
beast as a "white zinfandel"...  Well anyway, this bottle
claims the title of being from the "North Coast".  North Coast
of WHAT?, I ask myself...  Reading on, it apparently comes from
the coastal region OF northern California, not THE North Coast
at all!  Nor is it entirely palatable, as wines go, though the
friend who gave it to me was quite well meaning in his gift.

     So I ask, are we 'North Coasterners,' as of being from the
Northern coast of the Continental U.S.?  And, if so, I dare
say, should we tolerate such impertinence as the theft of our
name being applied to a bottle of California (i.e. not REAL)
wine?  I don't know if I can accept this; what might anyone
else think about it?  Please express opinions via postnews
(unless you REALLY want to flame me over this) as I already
receive several list-servers and more likely than not I'll
miss any personal postings...

Jim

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Car blown off Mac bridge (old news)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:24:05 GMT


I was just reminded of the Mackinac bridge accident a few years ago,
in which a driver in a compact car combined high speed with high
winds and managed to get blown off the bridge.  Shortly after,
her family filed a lawsuit against the state (and probably also
against the car manufacturer, tire manufacturer, bridge builder,
weather man, and the gods of Olympus).

Does anyone remember hearing further details?  Is this case still
pending, or has it been resolved?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: North Coast
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:20:36 GMT

In article <1a39s4INN9bf@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>it's kind of funny this "north coast" business.  There's areas near
>Chicago and Cleveland that call themselves "north coast", yet the railroad

Actually, the one near Chicago is called the "North Shore".  No
riff-raff need apply (or try to purchase real estate).
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Address needed
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:02:55 GMT


In my ongoing quest for constant access to Win Schuler's Bar Scheeze ("Oh
god, not *her* again!"), I'm taking a local grocery store chain up on their
bet that they will get any nationally produced item if you request it.

Well, when I requested it, I was told I needed the address of the company.

So!  If anyone happens to have a lid off of a tub 'o schuler's scheeze,
I'd appreciate it if you could scribble down the address of Win Schuler's
and e-mail it to me.

Thank you oh so very much! 

Susan
susan@noaapmel.gov

(They tried to get me to accept a cheap substitute - kahona or kahuna or
something like that.  But it didn't have horseradish in it, so no go for me!)
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: North Coast
Date: 26 Sep 1992 23:29:58 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

the term i've heard for the general area is 'third coast', presumably the
left and right coasts being one and two.  there is e.g. a good brewery in
Kalamazoo that puts out a Third Coast Beer with maps on the front of the
bottle.

it's kind of funny this "north coast" business.  There's areas near
Chicago and Cleveland that call themselves "north coast", yet the railroad
that ran in the same place relative to the lake was the Duluth, {South
Shore}, and Atlantic.  All depends on your perspective I guess.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
From: KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Car blown off Mac bridge (old news)
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:36:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

It was REALLY windy that whole weekend.  We had been to Iron River to
pick up my grandmother and we kind of took a tour of the UP getting to
the bridge.  My great aunt made a fuss about calling and making sure the
bridge was 'open' (silly me, I thought she was being eccentric).  So
I called the state police and they were very nice; they told me that
at last report the bridge was open.  When we got to the straits, there
were flashing lights everywhere.  State vehicles and state police cars
(probably a dozen or so) were all congregrated around the north end of
the bridge.  We weren't stopped from going across the bridge and they
were all well off the road.  You could feel the wind pushing the car
around (1984 Chev. Impala) but I never DREAMED a car could be blown
off of the bridge!  When we got to the motel that night, we heard that
a car had come off of the bridge about 15 min. before we got there.  It
was Yugo (spl?) and the water was so rough they couldn't get into the
straits to search for the car.
 
Scary - made we really like my heavy car.