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Hi there,
I was just browsing through the notes and noticed your trip to Seattle.  
The busses are free in the city, pretty cheap everywhere else.  They seem
to go everywhere I need to go when I visit.  I try not to drive at all when 
I go there.  Sure you can see it without a car.  I don't know where the Youth
Hostel is, but you can walk all around town.  Some highlights that I recommend
are Pike Place Market, which is a public market right downtown, Pioneer Square,
where the underground tour starts, and Seattle Center.  Some places that
aren't so touristy (maybe) are Post Alley, which is a line of shops that starts
at Pike Place Market, the crumpet store, which is near Pike Place and the 
University District, which any of the '70 busses will take you to from the stop
by the Bon Marche (70, 71, 72, 73, 74, and 75).  There is also a new art museum
within walking distance, but I've never been there. (I was there when the 
statue fell off the crane when they were putting it up, I don't know if it's 
back yet.)  Walking along the waterfront (down about a Zillion stairs from
Pike Place) can be interesting, especially the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe.  They
have some funky stuff in there, mummies, bones, curiosities, etc.

anyway, I hope this gives you some different ideas, and I hope you have a great
time!!

Colleen

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From: cdibble@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Clifford Thomas Dibble)
Subject: Seeking info re shuttle launch
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:14:23 GMT
Distribution: usa

How far away is the viewing area from the shuttle's launch pad?
Is it worth going all the way to Florida to view a launch? I'd
appreciate any travel tips or advice. I've already contacted
KSC and requested a car pass.  Thanks in advance.

Cliff Dibble
cdibble@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
From: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Island of Santorini, Greece.
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:24:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



We just came back from greece and visited Crete. We stayed in Hania and
drove about the island. We stayed at the Casa Delfino a GREAT place
Rates in season were 16500 dr including a great breakfast for two. Its 
is a converted mansion and done very well. One block from the harbor.
We rented a car. Mopeds were all over and many places had hemets.

I liked hania a lot
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Request for Info on Eastern Europe
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

rcborcic@bgtys23.bnr.ca (Rob Borcic) wrote:
> I will be spending about a week in each of these cities:
> Prague, Czechoslovakia
> Budapest, Hungary
> Sofia, Bulgaria
> - Can you suggest some good restaurants in any of the cities? I prefer
>   vegetarian food, but don't expect to find too many veg restaurants in
>   eastern Europe.

Eating in Prague is bloody difficult, and veggie food nearly impossible.
Most places close early and there aren't many of them.  I preferred the
places that seemed like workers' cafeterias; cheap, filling, basic but good
at what they make.  The places aimed at Westerners are often full up and
rather characterless.


> - Does Czechoslovakia produce any wine, or should I just stick to the beer?

Moravia produces wine.  Bohemians are beer drinkers and not many places
sell wine in Prague.  The beer is good and varied enough to keep you
occupied for a week anyway.


> - Are there any places I should avoid? Tourist traps, rip-offs, lousy
>   restaurants, etc.

Buda Castle is one big tourist trap, but it's on such a gigantically
surreal scale it's worth a visit just to see the kitsch biz at work.  The
same goes for running the gauntlet of the stallholders on the Charles
Bridge in Prague.  Watch your pockets though.


> - Where should I exchange currency? I've been advised to carry local
>   currency, as shops and restaurants will rip you off on the exchange
>   rate, but where should I exchange the money? Banks?

As I posted here last week or so, the new private chains of exchange
offices in Prague (Chequepoint, Exact Change) will rip you off something
rotten.  Banks, Visa/Mastercard ATMs, and the state tourist office CEDOK
are a better deal.  Make sure the commission is stated *clearly* up front.
I've only used a bank in Budapest so I don't know how it works there.  But
whatever you do, *don't* change money with strangers in the street (someone
I forget added "...unless you feel like hiring the services of an
illusionist").  They use sleight-of-hand, colour copiers, or obsolete
Polish notes to bilk the unwary.

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From: felipe@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Felipe Guardiano)
Subject: Re: Trip do Brazil
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:01:29 GMT

Kathy:

     I am afraid to tell you that you have been ill informed about Brazil.
But again, that is not a crime.  Would be interesting to know, though, how 
much you know about life outside US.

     If you have already made your tour of duty to Hawaii (that place
that people choose as their first cultural-out-of-the-county trip), I 
suggest that you take your next vacation and go visit some place other 
than US. It will expand your horizon immensely.  For instance, if you,
like many, believe Canadians live in igloos, I would strongly
recommend you pay a visit to Canada and see what their houses look 
like. Likewise, I recommend you go down to South America and see for
yourself that there is electricity in the houses, tigers do not browse around
the streets and Brazil is more than carnival.
     
     I am sure that by taking your vacations this way and reading some
books every once in a while, you will sound smarter when you speak
out your thoughts.  Until then, you may want to refrain from making a
fool of yourself in public when you express your "well based" opinions.


                         Felipe Guardiano
                         felipe@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:55:41 GMT

>
>Living in Munich, I have been to switzerland a few times.  The people are
>honest, hard-working, dull and have no spirit what-so-ever.  It really
>has to be the most utterly boring place in the *entire* world.  
>

Living in Arizona I have been to New Mexico (or insert your favorite state)
a few times. The people are honest, hard-working, dull and have no spirit
what-so-ever. It really has to be the most utterly boring place in the 
entire world.

I hope you don't fail to see what utter nonsense you wrote!     

Beatrice
From: mimi@sybase.com (Mimi Balcom)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel in China info wanted
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:39:04 GMT
Reply-To: mimi@sybase.com (Mimi Balcom)
Organization: Sybase, Inc.




Hi, 
	my husband and I are planning a trip to China with our
	almost two year old baby. I like to visit a few cities in 
	china.  On top of our list, there are:

	Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai(and cities around Shanghia), Xian.

	We have about two weeks of vacation  and like to spend
	a week in Beijing. We will go into china either from H.K
	or Japan. 

	Does anybody have information on:

	1, How can we buy air tickets from city to city in China?
	   Is there travel restriction on non-Chinese citizen?

	2. Once we get here, where can we stay? is there any way to
	   book the hotel in advance? and how much it will cost?

	3. Any DOs and DONTs?

	Thank you very much.


	Mimi
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Brazil travel question
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:59:11 GMT
	<1992Sep2.171247.11104@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Sep2.200859.10495@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Are those guys speaking about Brazil? I thought that was somewhere in
the third world like New York or LA...:-) (Pal, you never know which city
will be the next one to be put on fire in these days....However, don't be
worried! Who knows they will give you a first-class ticket to run away from
there?... Who knows...

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From: crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu  (Cindy Rossley)
Subject: Info Wanted on Bermuda
Organization: Swarthmore College Chemistry Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:32:22 GMT

Hi,

	I'm in the "thinking" stages of planning a spring vacation and from what I've
seen and read, Bermuda looks like the spot I've decided on.  I would like to
request any informtion (good or bad) on this island from anyone who has visited
there.  I think I am leaning towards a small guest house, or a private home to
room in, so any suggestions would be helpful.  I don't want to stay at a large,
"resort" type hotel.  Info on places to eat, beaches, best time of year, etc.
would be appreciated.

	Also any ballpark figures on airfare from the Phila. area?  Is it better
(cheaper) to book a flight straight through or should we try to arrange one
with a stop-over  (I know this seems like a silly question since fares are
going up and down, but does it vary with the time of year?  I've never flown!)

	And, one more question from this novice traveler.  Do my husband and I really
need to get passports to go there or will other ID be OK?  (Birth Certificate &
Photo Driver's license?)

	Thanks in advance for all your help. 


	Cindy Rossley
	Swarthmore College
	crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu
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From: fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 26 Aug 1992 12:03:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

So, maybe instead of an inflight movie, the airlines should instead hold
cultural sensitivity classes?

:)
Stephanie at USC
fishkin@aludra.usc.edu

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 16:02:20 EDT
From: <IO20084@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists, er, USENETters
 <l9nlclINNb1c@aludra.usc.edu> <1992Aug26.210041.23067@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>
 <1992Sep2.160751.19046@sinix.UUCP> <1992Sep2.215438.11843@dscomsf.desy.de>

Boy, that guy's a dick!!
From: zombie@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike York)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: How to see Seattle cheap?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:38:49 GMT
Reply-To: zombie@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART System Development

In article <26680006@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>, cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
|> I was just browsing through the notes and noticed your trip to Seattle.  
|> The busses are free in the city, pretty cheap everywhere else.  

Just to clarify, the buses are free in a relatively small section of downtown 
Seattle,  not the entire city of Seattle.  Beyond the "Ride Free Zone" ya 
gotta pay.
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From: arik+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ariel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Amenhotep exhibition in Cleveland?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:15:57 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University


	I heard of an exhibition of ancient Egytptian exhibition, having to do 
with one of the Amenhoteps, taking place in Cleveland. I would appreciate any 
information about it, such as where the place where it is displayed, the time when
it is over, and, naturally, whether it worth seeing.

	Thanks in advance for all replies!

	Arik
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From: planius@ips104.desy.de (P. Lanius)
Subject: Re: Help with hotels in Amsterdam
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:49:30 GMT

The answer is a puzzle, but since noone else responded so far it can be
of some use, if you are able to solve it :-)
We stayed for 2 nights in Amsterdam during weekend and we came across a
really cheap hotel, we payed 57 guilders/night for a double room. This
hotel was north from the end of Prinzengracht, about 5-10 min from the
station. It was in a street parallel to the railway line, on a street
corner. The street was the second(3.?) to the right if you follow the main
street south from the station. Quite easy, eh?
Oh, I forgot to mention the name of the hotel. But the only thing I remember
is, that is was something like Camel, Caravan or Cabul.

Two years are quite a long time,
Peter
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From: hiew@cs.uwa.oz.au (HIEW Hong Liang)
Subject: Info on Sloan House YMCA, NY ?
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:18:08 GMT

I'm going to visit New York City sometime mid-November, and I'm planning
to stay at the William Sloan House (YMCA) at 34th St. Can someone who
knows or have been to the place please tell me something about it
(condition of rooms, neighbourhood, proximity to public transport, etc)?

Any help given would be deeply appreciated.

hiew.
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From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Subject: Re: hot air balloon festival in Albuquerque
Keywords: Albuquerque
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:45:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.150242.24068@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>In article <l97ke9INN6er@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> conradl@fairway.Corp.Sun.COM (Conrad Lynch) writes:
>>What is the date this year for the hot air balloon festival in Albuquerque?
>
>It's the first weekend of October.

   More specifically, it's October 3-11, which includes the first two
weekends in October. And for the second year in a row, I'm out of
town! Rats!

>
>There's a net.gathering happening in Albuquerque then; send mail to
>blowfish@carina.unm.edu for more details.  He may also be able to help
>you with a hotel room, which are awfully hard to come by during the 
>balloon fest.
>
>Charleen
>

   Good luck. I've heard that rooms and rental cars have been taken
for months....
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:19:49 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <kyfn#=r.ekman@netcom.com> ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>I can't imagine it doing much good, since I suspect that most Americans
>wouldn't recognize the Swedish flag when they see it.

  As a help for the geographically impaired, there were letters saying 
"Sweden" on it:)
  
>Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com

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From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: The naming of the transit system in the Bay Area.
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:35:54
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: williaml@cs.concordia.ca's message of 1 Sep 92 00:21:15 GMT

In article <4851@daily-planet.concordia.ca> williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william) writes:
=>I recently visited the Bay Area in California and one thing that I
=>haven't been able to figure out is why do people over there call
=>their transit system the BART.

BART stands for Bay Area Rapid Transit.

ethan
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From: daver@ldgo.columbia.edu (dave reynolds)
Subject: Info for Kiel, Baltic coast, Copenhagen, Frisian Isl.
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:46:26 GMT

I would like any info on traveling from Kiel to the east along the Baltic
coast.  Ideally, I would like to catch a ferry and train across to Denmark
and Copenhagen from the German Baltic coast.     Any suggestions regarding
accommodations and travel logistics would be welcome.  Alternatively, I
would like to explore the Frisian Islands, so if anyone knows how to get
there from Kiel, I would like to hear about it.  I will be spending
some time in Copenhagen and Kiel so any suggestions regarding those
cities would also be welcome. Finally, I am interested in train fares
for Copenhagen-Hamburg.
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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Miami and Hurricane
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:41:17 GMT

In article <BtKG18.FoJ@wpi.WPI.EDU>, llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan
Voon) writes:
> 
> Anybody knows whether guests at beach hotels along Miami Beach
> had to evacuate when the hurricane alert was on?
> 

  This might have been answered already, but Yes hotel guests
  on Miami Beach were evacuated.

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From: x2wiebke@exnet.iastate.edu (Jeanne Wiebke -- ISU Ext. Software/EXNET)
Subject: Belize, Central America information wanted
Reply-To: x2wiebke@exnet.iastate.edu (Jeanne Wiebke -- ISU Ext. Software/EXNET)
Organization: Iowa State University Extension
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:09:28 GMT


I was wondering if anyone has any information on Belize, Central 
America?  My brother is planning on traveling there (where in Belize 
I'm not exactly sure) on September 15 and any information would be 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Jeanne Wiebke
x2wiebke@exnet.iastate.edu
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From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:06 GMT

|> Actually, I used to live in Montmartre, Paris, which is a fairly
|> well-known touristic spot.  I had the opportunity to watch many kinds of
|> tourists. I should say that the less annoying are the Japanese. Although
|> they don't stay there for a long time ( usually one week for London,
|> Paris and Rome altogether),altough they carry Japan with them, they are
|> respectful of the others. All others (French included) are noisy (note
|> that Spaniards and Italians are quite good at
|> shouting in the 
|> streets)

I was stuck in the New Orleans Airport for three hours with a large group 
of Japanese tourists.  They were the loudest, most obnoxious, and most 
offensive group of toursits that I have ever seen or heard - and they 
weren't even drunk.  Smoking like a chimney no matter where they sat.
Shouting across the room at each other, shouting even when they sat down
next to each other.  Worse than little children.  At least they shut
up once they got on the airplane......

In all honesty, I think it can safely be said that most large groups of
young people (from any land) tend toward obnoxiousness.  The more they
drink, the worse it is.  I know that I was particularly annoyed with my
own tour group when I was in Europe.  The guide and the beer certainly 
didn't help.....

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