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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: stern's ratings in chicago [was:  Re: long island lolita]
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:36:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.195805.28344@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>this raises a follow-on point; how are stern's ratings in chicago?  according
>to first reports, not too good: he is currently 15th in the morning with a 1.9
>rating [steve and gary are pulling 3.5].  this rating is less than that of
>jonathan brandmeier when he was in that timeslot.  this may be a bit of an
>unfair comparison, however, since jonny b. was simulcast on both wlup am & fm.
>notwithstanding, i don't care what jonny b. says, he's an idiot who wimped out
>and changed timeslots to avoid going head-to-head against stern.

According to Howard, wait until he's there for a full ratings book (which is
not the case with these ratings).
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From: bz820@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher M. Paulus)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern,alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Reading my Screen
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:34:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz820@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher M. Paulus)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



A few of you in this grkup have enquired about how i read my
mail...Well, i have a speech synthesizer, which reads everything that
would normally come over the screen...So, if I'm flamed, I will surely
read it.  <grin>

And now, back to the regularly-scheduled topic...


-- 
Chris Paulus
Baltimore, MD
bz820@cleveland.freenet.edu
CompuServe:  71541,1617
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:05:47 EST
From: Tony R. Marasco <TRM900@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Re: Call letters
 <1993Jan7.171305.3792@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>

In the note,"Re: Call letters",
melissa@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Melissa Probst) writes:
>
>In article <93006.233728TRM900@psuvm.psu.edu> Tony R. Marasco
><TRM900@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>1)  I work in radio and Howard is right.  People have no idea to what they
>>    listen.  I have people argue that my station is doing something that
>>    the competition is.  Therefore, anything semi-vague in a poll could
>>    show incorrect results.
>
>However, KLAX is a spanish radio station so I would think people would
>realize the difference.

On an Arbitron rating you see call letters and frequencies.  Content is
not relevant to the ratings people.  Two stations here, WPPA and WPAM,
are not on the same location nor do the call letters resemble each other
that much.  However, people call 1450 asking for 1360 and vice versa...

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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: stern's ratings in chicago
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:28:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.022544.9420@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.143616.17430@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.195805.28344@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>>
>>According to Howard, wait until he's there for a full ratings book (which is
>>not the case with these ratings).
>>
>i find this explanation a bit hard to swallow at face value since steve
>and gerry moved to their current timeslot on wlup-fm at about the same
>time stern came in on wlup-am; and s&g got higher ratings.  as i recall,
>their ratings were higher than brandmeier got for that time slot.
>
>stern is a bit more widely known now than when he started in philadelphia
>[not my favorite town :-( ] so i would not expect it to take 4 years to
>catch on in chicago.  i believe he claimed to have made it to #1 in la
>after being on for about one year.
>
>i'm not going to make any predictions about how stern is going to do in
>chicago [although i am curious as to how his tv show did] but i can't
>say that any of the explanations surrounding his initial chicago ratings
>are all that convincing.

Today, it was announced that after his 1st full ratings book in Dallas, they
went from #14 to #4.  Yesterday, it was announced that it was #1 in Wash, D.C.
& you may know that it's #1 in NY, Philly & L.A.  Yes, I know, "but that's
not Chicago."  Let's see how the show is doing after about a year.  It was
also mentioned today that there'll be a new station "in the south" starting
Monday, I believe.
From: 5rtrtrt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.e.stealey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Re: long island lolita
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:03:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

> And the fcc is going after stern and not this kind of crap?  unbelievable.  
> the stuff is *totally* devoid of redeeming
> social value [which makes it seem pretty obscene to me]...
> 
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> "if you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes" -- edmund wilson


Thank you, Ronald.  It is good to have you on our side!  
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From: lewine@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Eric Lewine)
Subject: Re: Howard on Boston Radio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:29:32 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1993Jan6.233731.3023@cs.ucf.edu>, duggan@apopka.cs.ucf.edu (Richard Duggan) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.211024.3521@webo.dg.com> greg@puck.webo.dg.com writes:
|> >Does anyone know if the agreement if final between INFINITY and
|> >the FCC in regards to their new stations in Atlanta and Boston
|> >broadcasting the Stern Show, this is in regard to the provision 
|> >that the FCC imposed that INFINITY could only purchase these stations
|> >if they did not broadcast the Howard Stern Radio Show, thanks,
|> 
|> From what I read in the Atlanta Journal, the president of
|> Infinity wrote a letter to the previous owner of 
|> Z-93 (now the Infinity station in Atlanta) stating that
|> the Stern show would not be broadcast on that station.
|> I have no idea if there are any time restrictions on his
|> promise (hope not :-( ).
|> 
|> -rick
|> 

I really don't know much about this situation but it sounds kind of
illegal or at least unethical for a government agency to dictate a
broadcasting company's format.
-- 
Eric Lewine
lewine@dg-rtp.dg.com

"Live clean, let your works be seen.
 Stand firm or you gonna feed worm." -- Peter Tosh
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From: mikeu@shekel.sbi.COM (Michael Urbanski)
Subject: Re: Call letters
Organization: Salomon Brothers Arbitrage Support, NY,NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:52:59 GMT


|> >A competitor allegedly changed call letters to sound almost like ths LA
|> >call letters.  Their position on the dial is relatively close, so Stern
|> >feels that the ratings were incorrect because people were confused...
|> 
|> It's true. Howard Stern is on KLSX here in L.A. and the competitor
|> changed there call letters to KLAX. KLSX is on 97.1 KLAX is on 97.9.
|> 
|> >
|> >1)  I work in radio and Howard is right.  People have no idea to what they
|> >    listen.  I have people argue that my station is doing something that
|> >    the competition is.  Therefore, anything semi-vague in a poll could
|> >    show incorrect results.
|> 
|> However, KLAX is a spanish radio station so I would think people would
|> realize the difference.
|> 

The people certainly know the difference between a spanish station and
an english rock station, however, the auditors who read the diaries may
have made a mistake.  This could probably be proven by looking at other
diary entries and seeing if the listener is an english speaker or a 
spanish speaker.

It sounds like a horrible mistake on the part of the ratings people.
According to my Elay buddies, Stern is setting the town on fire.  

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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: stern's ratings in chicago [was:  Re: long island lolita]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:25:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143616.17430@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.195805.28344@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>According to Howard, wait until he's there for a full ratings book (which is
>not the case with these ratings).
>
i find this explanation a bit hard to swallow at face value since steve
and gerry moved to their current timeslot on wlup-fm at about the same
time stern came in on wlup-am; and s&g got higher ratings.  as i recall,
their ratings were higher than brandmeier got for that time slot.

stern is a bit more widely known now than when he started in philadelphia
[not my favorite town :-( ] so i would not expect it to take 4 years to
catch on in chicago.  i believe he claimed to have made it to #1 in la
after being on for about one year.

i'm not going to make any predictions about how stern is going to do in
chicago [although i am curious as to how his tv show did] but i can't
say that any of the explanations surrounding his initial chicago ratings
are all that convincing.  i'm starting to wonder if, with all the todo
with stern given his celebrity status, expectations prior to his arrival
in a new market are so great that the actual show is a bit of a letdown.

personally, i think the show in syndication really blows, on wlup there
are LONG periods of commercials during breaks and *stupid* gags during
the wlup studio segments (for news, sports, traffic).  when the breaks
are done, the show is often rejoined when a segment is in progress; i.e.
it doesn't appear that the end of the wlup break is synchronized with
those on wxrk-fm in new york.

btw, those of you in the eastern time zone who attempt to listen to wlup-am
at 6:00am hoping to hear the stern show, you're somewhat out of luck.
stern doesn't get picked up until 7:00am eastern time.  i think that during
this time they are still doing rebroadcasts of the previous day's jonathan
brandmeier drive-time program.

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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: New affiliate alert!
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

In article <1993Jan08.035214.2636@src4src.linet.org>, ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz) writes:
|> Today, Howard mentioned that he will be on a "new northeast market."  He
|> also said it's "not Boston" but you know how Howard is :-)  Still, since
|> Infinity is not going to get a piece of WZLX, I don't think it's Boston
|> either.  I think it will be Hartford, either WHCN or his old stomping
|> grounds WCCC.  Can New England shed any light on this situation?
|> 
|> Chuck
|> -- 
|> E-mail: ckunz@src4src.linet.org      <- Long Island FreeNet Project
|>         aq084@cleveland.freenet.edu  <- Cleveland FreeNet
|> It's amazing what you can do with a Commodore 64, isn't it?
|> "I love you.  Do you love me?  Please please!  (I wanna hold you)" - Dan Baird
I heard people mentioning Buffalo a while back, or is that Old news,
 Greg
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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: stern's ratings in chicago [was:  Re: long island lolita]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:58:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.230348.28357@cbfsb.cb.att.com> 5rtrtrt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.e.stealey) writes:
>
>Thank you, Ronald.  It is good to have you on our side!  
>
it's good for us *all* to be on the same side in this one.  the fcc is
clearly out of control here.  let's hope when that idiot sykes is out
of there, sanity can return to fcc policy.  i may not always like what
stern has to say but i certainly think everyone else should be able to
come to their own conclusion.  if i don't want to hear stern, i change
stations, not call the fcc to get him taken off the air.

this raises a follow-on point; how are stern's ratings in chicago?  according
to first reports, not too good: he is currently 15th in the morning with a 1.9
rating [steve and gary are pulling 3.5].  this rating is less than that of
jonathan brandmeier when he was in that timeslot.  this may be a bit of an
unfair comparison, however, since jonny b. was simulcast on both wlup am & fm.
notwithstanding, i don't care what jonny b. says, he's an idiot who wimped out
and changed timeslots to avoid going head-to-head against stern.

i don't know what the trend was for stern in other cities...

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From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: New affiliate alert!
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:52:14 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

Today, Howard mentioned that he will be on a "new northeast market."  He
also said it's "not Boston" but you know how Howard is :-)  Still, since
Infinity is not going to get a piece of WZLX, I don't think it's Boston
either.  I think it will be Hartford, either WHCN or his old stomping
grounds WCCC.  Can New England shed any light on this situation?

Chuck
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Re: New affiliate alert!
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:04:10 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1993Jan08.035214.2636@src4src.linet.org> ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz) writes:
>Today, Howard mentioned that he will be on a "new northeast market."  He
>also said it's "not Boston" but you know how Howard is :-)  Still, since
>Infinity is not going to get a piece of WZLX, I don't think it's Boston
>either.

Chuck,

I don't think it's Boston either but FYO, WZLX and stations in Atlanta
and Chicago have been in Infinity's fold for about a month now. However,
the sale went through only after Infinity guaranteed in writing to FCC
that Howard will not be on the air on the new stations in Boston and
Atlanta. Infinity might try to put Howard on WBCN(its other station) in
Boston but as of yesterday  no one at WBCN had any clue if Howard's landing
there...

Regards,

-Mark
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
From: duggan@apopka.cs.ucf.edu (Richard Duggan)
Subject: Re: Howard on Boston Radio
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:37:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211024.3521@webo.dg.com> greg@puck.webo.dg.com writes:
>Does anyone know if the agreement if final between INFINITY and
>the FCC in regards to their new stations in Atlanta and Boston
>broadcasting the Stern Show, this is in regard to the provision 
>that the FCC imposed that INFINITY could only purchase these stations
>if they did not broadcast the Howard Stern Radio Show, thanks,

From what I read in the Atlanta Journal, the president of
Infinity wrote a letter to the previous owner of 
Z-93 (now the Infinity station in Atlanta) stating that
the Stern show would not be broadcast on that station.
I have no idea if there are any time restrictions on his
promise (hope not :-( ).

-rick
From: mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Re: long island lolita
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:50:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.howard-stern
Distribution: usa
Organization: the University of Pennsylvania


> 
> could someone explain to me what is the signaificance of this expression:
> "long island lolita"?  
>   __  ______  __  / __/ |       at&t bell laboratories, naperville il, usa
> _/ (_(_) / (_(_/_/_(_/  .       ronald@iexist.att.com / att!iexist!ronald

OK, first off, I've never read the book, but this is what I've gathered in
my 23 short years. "Lolita" is a classic piece of literature written by a
man named Nabakov (Sp?). It is a lusty tale of seduction involving a young
woman (student, Prostitute?) and an older man (teacher?). I'm not sure who
seduced who. The Buttfuoccos (Sp?) and Amy Fisher live in Lon Giland
(intentional) hence the term "Long Island Lolita".

Hope this helps. Also, listen to Don't Stand so close to me by the police
for a Lolita reference: "just like the old man in that famous book by
Nabakov" 

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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Howard on Boston Radio
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

Does anyone know if the agreement if final between INFINITY and
the FCC in regards to their new stations in Atlanta and Boston
broadcasting the Stern Show, this is in regard to the provision 
that the FCC imposed that INFINITY could only purchase these stations
if they did not broadcast the Howard Stern Radio Show, thanks,
 
Greg
From: samuel.lehrfeld@brent.uucp (Samuel Lehrfeld) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Birthday
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: samuel.lehrfeld@brent.uucp (Samuel Lehrfeld) 

CK>From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
CK>Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
CK>Subject: Birthday
CK>Message-ID: <1993Jan03.072120.15286@src4src.linet.org>
CK>Date: 3 Jan 93 07:21:20 GMT

CK>E-mail: ckunz@src4src.linet.org      <- Long Island FreeNet Project
Off topic, I know, but whats the phone number for the Long Island
Freenet project?
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From: samuel.lehrfeld@brent.uucp (Samuel Lehrfeld) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Birthday
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: samuel.lehrfeld@brent.uucp (Samuel Lehrfeld) 

CK>From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
CK>Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
CK>Subject: Birthday
CK>Message-ID: <1993Jan03.072120.15286@src4src.linet.org>
CK>Date: 3 Jan 93 07:21:20 GMT

CK>E-mail: ckunz@src4src.linet.org      <- Long Island FreeNet Project
Off topic, I know, but whats the phone number for the Long Island
Freenet project?
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From: melissa@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Melissa Probst)
Subject: Re: Call letters
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:13:05 GMT

In article <93006.233728TRM900@psuvm.psu.edu> Tony R. Marasco <TRM900@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>If you haven't heard, one of Stern's competitors closed the gap in the
>ratings war in L.A.  Stern blames this on the FCC.
>
>A competitor allegedly changed call letters to sound almost like ths LA
>call letters.  Their position on the dial is relatively close, so Stern
>feels that the ratings were incorrect because people were confused...

It's true. Howard Stern is on KLSX here in L.A. and the competitor
changed there call letters to KLAX. KLSX is on 97.1 KLAX is on 97.9.

>
>I have two comments:
>
>1)  I work in radio and Howard is right.  People have no idea to what they
>    listen.  I have people argue that my station is doing something that
>    the competition is.  Therefore, anything semi-vague in a poll could
>    show incorrect results.

However, KLAX is a spanish radio station so I would think people would
realize the difference.


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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: What has Stern said about Chi-Town
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:13:41 GMT

What were some of Stern's comments about his Chicago rating so far and Steve
and Garry's ratings.? 


--

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.howard-stern
Subject: Re: Picking up the Show
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:28:29 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1993Jan11.184522.2520@webo.dg.com> greg@puck.webo.dg.com writes:
>I managed to pick up HOward this morning in Worcester,MA
>from the Buffalo Station, but it came in like shit after about
>7:30, does anyone have any suggestions as far as anything I
>can buy or construct to pick up the AM signal better, thanks,
> Greg

I was trying the Chicago station around 6 o'clock but I think they were
playing music or maybe I was tuning into the wrong station. I was able
to pick up the Buffalo station in urban Boston in the clear up untill
GE Smith guy came on. Then a local 50,000 watt Spanish sation at 1510
started to blast some serious ChaCha music. I was thankfull to hear
Jay Leno's interview. Has anyone in the Boston area tried tuning in
to any other AMers on the East Coast that carry Howard's show and could
provide me and Greg with some good AM tuning tips?

Thanks,

-Mark
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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: long island lolita
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:18:03 GMT

could someone explain to me what is the signaificance of this expression:
"long island lolita"?  on any account i'm sick of hearing about it and i
totally refused to watch any of the network miniseries on this because i
think it's entirely brain-dead and i don't want to do anything that might
encourage the networks to pull this kind of stunt again.  furthermore, i
can't think of anyone involved for whom i'd want to, in any way, contribute
to their wealth and wellbeing.  and the fcc is going after stern and not
this kind of crap?  unbelievable.  the stuff is *totally* devoid of redeeming
social value [which makes it seem pretty obscene to me]...

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