From: rodg@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Rod Gamble)
Subject: Re: Citizens Band Packet Radio on 70cm
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:31:38 GMT

Craig.Orr@f263.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Craig Orr) writes:

> > From: rodg@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Rod Gamble)
> > Organization: Sydney University Computing Service,
> > Sydney, NSW, Australia

 
>Interesting, different address to your disclaimer! (repeated at the end) ;-]
 
     	I didn't know it was a crime to have a couple of accounts! Oh and
        sorry my fault, I picked up the wrong sig at the time. :-(
	I hope the sig at the bottom is to your liking :-)
 
 
 
>Glad you added this line. 8^)  My responses in the same vain.
                                          ^^
 
	Well really; could all this be taken as serious!
	See penultimate comment :-)
	My response is below.
 
>>>IMHO This idea has a lot of merrit, especially if it becomes
>>                              ^^^^^^
 
>You know... Someone once offerred me a spell checking                         
                          ^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^
>program for my mailer, "Why?" was my response "There are enough kind people out
>there who will gladly correct my spelling for free".
 
>It is Board. The 80 Channels was in reply to the original poster. I feel that
>80 is a good number myself, it allows for minimal collisions and gives a good
>chunk of the band for a growing and efficient transmission technology. Once
>again IMHO I would rather see 80 channels of packet transimiisions than 80
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>channels of voice "10/4 Rubby Ducky" transmissions.
                         ?????        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
	Firstly, touche' on your "offerr" for a personal spell checker.
	Secondly on your fine attempt at the word "transmissions".
	Well, I think I have answered your "Why?"..  It saves unnecessary
	bandwidth.
 
	As for me I must have been thinking of merrit to the Max - I didn't
	come down in the last meteor shower !
	I could possibly accuse the keyboard, I was using at the time, but I
	thought it would be more fun to see if anyone noticed the OB spelling
	mistake. :-)
 
 
 
>Maybe that is reason enough! After all "qualified" hams have had their
>equipment for a long time (in most cases to generalise) but CBer Packet will be
>all new equipment. As 9600 packet is only $150 in some cases that 1200 packet
>why not?
 
	Yes, some of them do, which adds to my other point about costs below.
	$150, is that the modem or does this include the radio?? Either way
	where are these $150, 9600 modems, if that is really what you meant.
	As for your comment "all new equipment" are you that naive that
	ALL cbers will buy new equipment and not start building modems (non
	type approved, I guess) or continue modifying their radios, as is
	quite common, if you have a listen around the bands !!
 
 
 
>Yeah, and why not enforsce a rule that kids with new car licenses can only buy
                   ^^^^^^^^
>1963 volkswagons, or that first time computer users can only buy 1982 PC's with
>16K of RAM??
 
	For the obvious reason; so they have a bit of a play and if they like
	what packet does, they can upgrade to the amateur ranks and enjoy
	greater throughput by faster speeds for starters. It is an incentive.
	If you let cbers have packet et al they will have no incentive to
	upgrade along with the benefits of legally modifying their own
	equipment and not being stuck with, often, quite expensive black-box
	equipment. 
 
	On your analogy it seems OK for kids with a new license to go out and
	buy a Ford GT-HO Phase III, without any thought for there lack of
	driving ability or aptitude with other users of the road !  Buying one
	would prove the point. Similarly the band would become a shambles with
	inexperienced cbers transmitting merrily away with no knowledge of
	any radio theory. Listen to either cb band to prove the point.
 
	On your analogy for 1982 PC's with 16K RAM, quite a lot of amateurs
	are now upgrading(???) from C64's or VZ200's to 1982 PC's because
	they do the majority of ham things, they want, and are CHEAP !! Some
	people give 'em away.  Gee, one fellow upgraded from a telex machine !!
	(guess who vk2kfu)
 
 
 
>You have missed a little of the stream here, CBer Packet is off the shelf not
>u-build.
 
	OK point taken, but I did say in my original post that I did not
	rx the org post as it expired. :-( Also if you weren't aware amateur
	'can' modify their equipment or build it if they want. The whole
	idea is to experiment. It's the nature of the beast. 
 
***
	Oh and yes.............still in a light hearted vein.
 
	BTW, you forgot to mention the rotten line over-runs in my last post.
	It was originally typed up on my machine at werk that isn't restricted
	to 80 columns. Gee I must fix that one day. Anyway my sincere and 
	humble apologies. I have chastised myself severely and do hope that
	It will not happen again.                           hee hee hee!
 
 
 
Cheers and have a nice day Craig de Rod

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