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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: UNC/Michigan - Top Teams...You eeediots!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:24:16 GMT

Curtis Hill:

> Just note that Michigan played a far sight better vs UNC than the did 
> versus Duke a few weeks ago.

I didn't want to show any bias, but this is true. Against the Heels, they
look like they were ready to take on the world. Webber was so psyched up
for Montross, but against Pauley, he looked his usual self. Against Duke,
they looked almost intimidate, but against the Heels, they looked
blodd-thirsty. Teams still get up for UNC, even though Duke is the top dog
now.

> The potential in Ann Arbor is frightening
> and I'm not writing them off yet.

After watching them beat Kansas too, it looks good for them. I mean, you
can say KU was overrated (I don't know, because they beat IU in Indiana),
or that it's too early, but UM played and beat 3 top 20 teams in 3 days,
in Hawaii too. I think that the play of Juwan Howard is critical to their
success.

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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Women's B-ball question
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:52:36 GMT

Does anyone know the score and/or the outcome of the Texas Tech Lady
Raiders vs. the LA Tech Lady Techsters game from last Monday night?  It
should've been a very good game since both teams are ranked.

Thanks.

Paul (Go Raiders) Conditt
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From: cdcg9698@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles D. Croxton)
Subject: Re: Curry Kirkpatrick
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:37:02 GMT
Keywords: SOB

Not only that, but have you noticed the kinds of people Kirkpatrick does
articles on?  Here is a list of ones that stuck in my mind:  Jimmy Connors,
Bill Laimbeer, Gary Payton, J.R. Reid, Danny Ferry (pardon the non-college
basketball names).  He seems to go out of his way to glorify obnoxious
people.  I just can't stand him.

Derek Croxton
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: BYU-DUKE (was: BYU squeeks by Memphis state in OT
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:04:10 -0700

> 
> So, BYU gets to play Duke in the finals.  My prediction is Duke 95, BYU 65.
> Duke is just too good.

Buzzer beater BYU will win at the buzzer, or they will loose by 20.  Duke is
good but still mortal.  

Look for BYU to seize the moment (with nothing to loose) playing loose and
intense.

Look for a big game from PrimeTime Nixon.  He thrives on big name opponents.
This will be his third game against Duke (twice as a Northwestern Freshman).
He had 20+ points last year against Michigan, and has done fairly well 
against Oklahoma and Memphis St (his first real playing time this year) this
year.

My prediction:  BYU 80, Duke 79  or Duke 90 BYU 70.

Arthur
From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UNC 7-0
Date: 23 Dec 1992 05:39:41 GMT
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Just watched UNC kill Ohio on ESPN.

Unc won by 20 points, what a disappointment.

Oh well, at least UNC is still undefeated.

Greg
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:48:41 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1h7e7gINNd09@spica.usc.edu>, valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>Who was the last (or possibly the only) Div. I player to play for three
>diffrent Div. I schools?

Sam Mack?
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"I've been your dog ever since I've been your man."--Son House
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Dick Vitale at Ohio State
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.201410.18738@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.211959.8566@samba.oit.unc.edu> Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.ed
>u (Curt Hill) writes:
>> [...]
>>Arriving early also allowed me to watch Dick Vitale, who had ripped
>>Funderburke off-the-air during the OSU at Indiana game last year, work the
>>crowd.  Lots of autographs and free books handed out.  Talking and smiling.
>>There were some boos at the beginning of the game, but most of the fans at
>>St. John had decided to forgive Vitale for his comments.
>
>     I was home in California watching the OSU-UNC game on ESPN, and I couldn't
>believe that  a) Vitale had the guts to return to St. John; and b) Buckeye fans
>let him leave alive. Did anyone at least throw something at him?
>     (Anyone who thinks my wonderment is odd should have been in Columbus after
>Vitale called Lawrence Funderburke a "cheap-shot motherf***er" last season. 
>I've rarely seen such hatred by OSU sports fans directed at someone besides 
>John Cooper. :-) )

	Maybe this means that most Ohio State fans are rational-thinking
	grown-ups?  Vitale is a wild man - take it with a grain of salt.

	As for Funderburke, I found it quite disturbing that he seemed
	to be having a merry old time making several flamboyant dunks
	near the end of his team's inevitable 9-point loss at West Virginia.
	He certainly gives me the impression that he's in it for himself.
	I'm sure few Ohio State fans found much positive out the team's
	performance that night...

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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Subject: Utah News
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:50 MST  

The Utes play tonight in Logan, Utah against the Utah State Aggies.  The
Aggies have hit a tough stretch in their schedule.  They started the season
with a win against Montana Tech and then lost to BYU (twice), Utah, and 
Weber State.  The Aggies always play Utah tough, especially in Logan.  The
Utes are lucky that it is Christmas break in Logan and the arena should not 
have as many students.  I expect a very tough game and 5 point victory by 
either side.  The key will be who takes control in the first 10 minutes of
the second half.
The Utes have a "new" player.  He is actually a JC transfer who is now 
The Utes now have a "New" player.  He is a JC transfer that is now
eligible to play.  Hisname is Chris Jones and he comes to Utah via U. Portland
and Salt Lake C.C.  If I can remember correctly he is a 6'5" guard/forward (?).

-Eric
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu

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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: BYU avoids the upset
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:23:29 GMT

	*Avoids* the upset?  Shouldn't that be "Pulls off the upset"?

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From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: BYU avoids the upset
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:37:40 GMT

In article <108030007@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay) writes:
>
>>BYU scored 5 straight points in the last 18 seconds, without
>>the clock stopping, to beat Oklahoma by one.  Primetime Nixon
>>scored the winner as time ran out.  Oklahoma played a great
>>first 30 minutes but got outplayed in the last quarter.
>>----------
>
>Typical for a Billy Tubbs coached team: play great offense
>but lose the game due to lack of discipline at the end.
>
>OU had a 15pt lead at one point in the game, had a 4 pt
>with 18 seconds to in the game.  I've know this team to
>lose at least a couple of games the past few years because
>they couldn't protect the ball the latter part of a close
>game.
>
>AAARRRGGHHH!

I'll second that moan.  But, at least this year we're playing some real
ball clubs fairly early in the year, better for them to be learning this
lesson before Big 8 play starts.  Billy's no fool, they'll work on it.

I really like this team this year. Particularly encouraging is Conley (sp?), he
seems to be very active around the ball, offensively and defensively.

>GregB

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan 79  -  North Carolina 78
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) 
writes:

>In one of the best games I have seen this year the Michigan 5Xz overcame
>Dean Smiths 10-player rotation by the narrowest of margins

Question: How many players does Michigan Coach Fisher use in his rotation?
Is Dean Smith's 10-player rotation any better than the 7- or 8-player 
rotation that several top college teams are using?  I'll like to hear 
comments from both sides.

>The Tar Heels lead 78-77 with about 6 seconds to go. Jimmy King went 
>baseline and his shot went off the rim to Jalen Rose who pushed it 
>back up and in for the winning shot

>Eric Montross is quite impressive in the post. He is not afraid
>to go to the basket.

Of course, why should Eric be afraid?  He was bigger than anyone else
on the court.  He probably outweighed any Michigan player by at least
30 pounds (Montross weighed 265 pounds the last time I heard).

>Michigan was lead by Chris Webber and Jalen Rose. Webber is just incredible, 
>he can pass, start the break, rebound, bring the ball up court, and 
>is great finisher. Is this young man a lottery pick or what ?

How was UNC's defense against Michigan, particular Webber, Howard, and
Rose?  I expected Dean Smith to come up with a defensive plan to shut 
Webber and Rose out of the game, but I guess he didn't....

From the early score shown on the ESPN channel, it looked like UNC had
another slow start in the Michigan game.  Was this true?  Did UNC play
a full 40-minute game, or did UNC come to life in the second half?

>Again this was a great game, even if I had to stay up late to watch it (-:

You were lucky to be able to watch the game on TV.  This was one of 
the top games of the season and it wasn't even televised nationally.


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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Felipe Lopez
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:06:14 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

This 6-5 G/F is considered by many to be the top high school junior in the
country.  Blue Ribbon has him on their 2nd A-A list already, and thinks of him
as a true impact player.  Bob Gibbons just stuck a pin into the hype.  Though
he thinks he'll be good, he says he's overhyped, and nowhere near the athlete
his rep had promised.  Still, he'll be ranked high, along with Allen Iverson,
Zendon Hamilton, Adonyl Foyle, Omm'a Givens, Willie Mitchell, Miles Simon
and others.
 Lopez final 10 schools:
St John's, Syracuse, Seton Hall (the favorites)
Indiana, Ohio State, UCLA, UNC, Georgia Tech (another Kenny Anderson?), 
Arizona and Kansas.
 (yes, I know it's early to think about this.  But I've got to validate my
subscription to Gibbons somehow! :-)
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"I've been your dog ever since I've been your man."--Son House
From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Summary: What is this guy on?
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:47:53 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

In article <1992Dec28.212700.698@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> I am and always have been a Tarheels fan.  The team this year 
>> looks good enough to take it all.  Of course, they only have
>> Dean Smith for a coach, the best coach in the history of college basketball. 

	Ever hear of John Wooten?  Probably not.

	Even Bobby Knight, Denny Crum, and Coach K have more
	NCAA titles than the Dean has.

	This is taking hyperbole a bit too far.

	--rb
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From: zawr02@hou.amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson)
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CH
Reply-To: zawr02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:33:49 GMT

In article 16843@news.uiowa.edu, wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>Dean is a fantastic coach over the long haul (read: regular
>season) but seems to miss something when it comes to preparing for the 
>tourney.  

I have followed the Tarheels since '67 when I was 10 years old (most but not all
of Dean's tenure).  As much as it pains me, I have to agree.  Dean does a great 
job of preparing the team for the season, but he does not seem to be a great game
coach. He does well at tactics during the game, but seems to fall short on strategy
for the game.  The NCAA championship in 82 and the 2nd place finish in 81 were 
helped greatly by Jimmy Black, the point guard.  Black was able to prevent Smith 
from out-coaching himself. 

In another thread, someone proposed bring Roy Williams back to Carolina.  I propose
hiring Jimmy Black to replace Dean when he finally decides to retire.  At one point,
Black assistant-coached teams were undefeated against Carolina.  Comments or 
flames anyone?

Andrew Robinson

PS: Anybody know if the Black vs Smith stat still holds?  Anybody know the 
    whereabouts of Jimmy Black these days?


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:31:59 EST
From: <MGN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Tarheels--outside shooting?

Tarheels just beat Ohio State 84-64.  Valvano commented that the Heels need out
side shooting.  I think Williams will provide that, what do you guys/gals think
?  Write back and let me know.

P.S.-- Look guys/gals, no caps!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gregg@cloud6.met.fsu.edu (GREGG)
Subject: Big East Conference
Keywords:  Big East
 Hey, is there anybody out there?! Who would be willing to help a displaced 
 yankee who loves the Big East style of play,but can get it in the cultural
 mecca known as Tallahasse,FL. I know the 'Noles look rough but I am not an ACC
 fan anyways. Who with a real education could? What I need is this... An 
 occaisional Big East update... Please someone take pity and hook me up to the 
 good stuff! Oh and Go PITT PANTHERS!!!!!!!
Reply-To: gregg@cloud6.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department
Distribution:  usa
Date: 31 DEC 92 14:50:19    

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Subject: Ed Stokes
Date: 20 Dec 1992 13:52:55 +1030
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Can someone out there tell me how is Ed Stoke of Arizona doing?


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Wisconsin, Marquette and UW-Milwaukee all win...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:46:34 GMT
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UWM got a big game from Marc Mitchell to cruise by Northern Illinois by
about 25 points Monday night. It was a nice bounce-back win for the Panthers
after playing like shit in a loss to Utah. UWM improved to 9-1 on the
season (including 4-1 on the road--a problem spot in years past) with the
win and has matinee contests on New Year's eve and Jan. 2 against Alcorn
State and Fairfield.

Speaking of Alcorn (Wow! What transition!), Wisconsin crushed the Alcorn
boys 110-81 last night (Tuesday). It was the third straight game that Bucky's
boys went over the century mark. UW drilled a school record 15 3-pointers in
25 chances during the enslaught. As usual, the Badgers sucked at the free-throw
line, hitting on 11 of 20 tries. 

In a quick bit of hockey news, UW lost in the championship game of the Badger
Hockey Showdown, 6-3 at the hands of Boston U. The tourney was a sell-out both
nights (about 17,750--much higher than UW or Marquette basketball draws) and
it marked the first time UW had ever lost a Showdown game. All four years of
its existance the Showdown has featured at least two top 10 ranked teams, so
it was quite an accomplishment for the Terriers. Email me if you'd like any
more details on the tourney as I attended both nights.

Back to hoops, Marquette got a big road win as it squeaked by Illinois 61-58
last night. Down 60-52 with about two minutes left, Illinois closed to 61-58,
but missed an off-balance 3-pointer from a couple feet behind the top of the
key with about a second left. Ron Curry led Marquette with 21 points and 11
boards. Deon Thomas had a nice game for Illinois. Marquette improved to 7-1
with the win, while Illinois fell to 7-4.

In other news, the UW women lost to Wake Forest by about 25 points Monday
night. Last night the UW-Milwaukee women trounced Jackson State 79-52 as
four Panthers scored in double figures. It set up a Auburn Dial Classic
final against Auburn. Happy New Year! Just staying in the game with 12th
ranked Auburn would be nice.

That's about it from Badgerland. Enjoy the New Year's festivities and
watch out for those idiot drunk drivers...

--salty

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From: mike@vpnet.chi.il.us (michael kamlet)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Reply-To: mike@vpnet.chi.il.us
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:10:49 GMT

In article <K_X=Cj+@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>	HELLO, ANYBODY HOME!  TO ALL MICHIGAN ALUMNI WHO DON'T THINK 
>	FISHER IS A GOOD OR GREAT COACH, WAKE UP!  JUST A REMINDER, HE 
>	EARNED MICHIGAN IT'S FIRST NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN BASKETBALL.  
>	HOW MANY YEARS DID BO SCHEMBECHLER HAVE TO TRY TO EARN ONE IN 
>	FOOTBALL?
>
>He is not a bad coach....just an average one. 
>
>As for him winning one (almost two championships)....in 1989 we had
>more talent than any other team also. Name one team that has more
>players in the NBA than the 1989 Michigan team? In 1991 we had
>a lot of talent and a whole lot of luck in getting to the finals.
>Remember Arizona got knocked out by a 15th seed, they certainly
>could have beat us. We could have been knocked out by Ohio State
>if Chris Jent knocked down a 12 footer with no time on the clock.
>Etc,etc,etc. The point is, my opinion is that TALENT and LUCK got
>us there, not FISHER. You and some other people disagree, but I
>am happy to see that many people on the net think Fisher isn't all
>the great....
>
Ok just a few comments on the 89 championship.  I was a student at Michigan
and had a very good friend who was an asst. manager on the team -- he got to
go to seattle....  He said that most of the players were relieved that
Frieder wasn't gonna coach them and that they played looser because of it.
He also acknowleged Bo's contributions in talking to to team...

Also we had the Higgins factor.  During the tournament he actually played
defense.  Before the tourney he told reporters he was too talented to be
bothered with playing D, and also said he might not be back.....
Bo was the one that straightened him out -- In all the post game inteviews
Higgins mentioned Bo.  

So Fisher was in the right place at the right time (and did get some pep
talks from Bo).  He did a great job recruting the Fab 5, but so far
he hasn't shown that he can coach...

Mike Kamlet
mike@vpnet.chi.il.us
 

From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:08:33 GMT
Subject: Re: BYU avoids the upset
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college


>BYU scored 5 straight points in the last 18 seconds, without
>the clock stopping, to beat Oklahoma by one.  Primetime Nixon
>scored the winner as time ran out.  Oklahoma played a great
>first 30 minutes but got outplayed in the last quarter.
>----------

Typical for a Billy Tubbs coached team: play great offense
but lose the game due to lack of discipline at the end.

OU had a 15pt lead at one point in the game, had a 4 pt
with 18 seconds to in the game.  I've know this team to
lose at least a couple of games the past few years because
they couldn't protect the ball the latter part of a close
game.

AAARRRGGHHH!

GregB

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