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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Some Velvet Sidewalk (Re: K Records)
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:01:53 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul20.211831.9386@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>
>Are they back to the guitar-and-drums lineup again?  I saw them twice
>last year and they had the full band thang.  I had the impression that
>this was more or less permanet (whatever that means).
>

Hmmm...you probably know more than I do about their line-up...I'd say that
you're most likely right - on the 'Throw' comp cd they have a bassist, and
they never play down here in Georgia, so my info's probably a bit outdated
(I was going by their singles and 'Appetite For Extinction'...)

No one good ever plays here. I'm depressed...

(Well, okay, Sebadoh did visit about 2 mos. ago, and God and Texas are playing
at the end of the month, but still...oh well...and Polvo were supposed to come
down, but their van blew up...argh...)

Joshua Houk
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu
-- 
They see me cry, they see me pout
They don't know why there is no food
And they don't know what they're supposed to do.
     - Crayon
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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: _Power, Corruption & Lies_
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:08:57 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <1992Jul24.213449.27598@midway.uchicago.edu> mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.203102.18329@news.iastate.edu> glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha) writes:
>>I've figured 
>>out what the colored squares and rectangles along the edges mean, but I've
>>got no ideas about the colored circle or markings on the cassette itself.
>>Supposedly, they should mean something.

>What do "the colored squares and rectangles along the edges mean"?
>Personally I was thrilled when I figured out that the album cover was
>supposed to look like a floppy disk--I didn't know all the other stuff
>_meant_ something. Sorry I can't help you with your question but I'd
>be interested in hearing what you already know.
I suspected that the floppy disk shape was done to save a few quid, so that
they could use the same cutting tools as they did for the Blue Monday single!

On the subject of Power, Corruption and Lies, I used to wonder about the title
of the track 5-8-6 (I also wondered about why the album versions of this
and We All Stand were SO inferior to the John Peel sessions versions...)
When I saw New Order nearly a year previous to the release of PC+L, about the
same time as the John Peel sessions, they were using a simple, home-built
Powertran sequencer.  To select a sequence, you punched in a numeric address
of where the sequence started.  My theory was that the sequence for one song
was at address 586, hence the title.  Any confirmations or other theories?
(Incidentally, at that time the track that became UltraViolence had different
lyrics and was called Who Killed My Father.  It can be found on most live
bootlegs from that time).

(I think one could blame the upgrading of their equipment for the change in
sound and feel for 5-8-6 and We All Stand.  Peter Hook has gone on record as
saying they were disappointed with the sound of PC+L, although he blamed it
largely on using digital multi-track.  I suspect that New Order's shortage of
production experience may have had an effect too).





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>Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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From: jokeefe@sfu.ca (Juliet O'Keefe)
Subject: Re: Lolla: What is allowed?
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:20:48 GMT


> Will they let you bring plastic bottles of water, say evian? 
> 
> 					--Dave Eisner
> 					 cradle@wam.umd.edu

At Lolla on Tuesday they were searching people and dumping
out *anything* liquid that they had brought, pop, mineral
water, whatever. Though judging by some behaviour, a fair
bit of stuff got through.
Also confiscated were: cameras and umbrellas.
Pearl Jam was great.

Juliet
From: ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Are The Levellers known in US?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:08:38 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

Have any of you people Stateside heard of/heard the Levellers?

Cos in England, they're doing rather well, but when I interviewed bassist Jeremy
in May he didn't mention anything outside Europe.

They're very English in their own protesty way, and brilliant. They went down a
storm at Glastonbury (Melody Maker were in no doubt that they were the best
band), but I'm wondering if they've made any impression your side of the pond.

If you know nothing, check out "Levelling the Land" LP on China records,
probably only on import(?) They recently released an EP called 15 Years which
did fairly well in the UK national charts. Gutsy rock with acoustic guitars and
violins supplementing the usual lineup. I could be a lot more pretentious and
journalistic but I can't be bothered right now!


Tristan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: nimouat@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Nikos Mouat)
Subject: Re: Alternative music in Montreal?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:27:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.205312.18729@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, faubert@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (David M. Faubert) writes:
> >     Another place I liked, (the name slips my mind right now) is a block up
> >from FouFoune's on the corner of Mount Royal and Ste Catherine,
> >(or maybe st lauraunt and ste catherines, its been a while...) you go
> >up about four flights of stairs, in bitch black, to an arch, were the 
> >bouncers run a metal detector over you (they also checked around my army
> >boots for knives). The inside of the place is completely black, except for
> >the bar which is flourescent green. There are peices of scrapped cars and
> >various other peices of discarded junk on the walls. This place is also great.
> >
> 
> This place is called, if I remember correctly, "La Nause", the e with an accent,

That's the place.

> of course.  It is on the corner of Ste. Catherine and St. Laurent. Elvira serves
> drinks there! (That horror show woman, for those of you who don't watch enough
> TV.) The decor is Post-Modern Midas with a hint of B.F. Goodrich. And, for those
> of you interested, the dance floor has a drain. I like this place a lot but I
> now live in Vancouver.
> 
> Dave


       Used to live in Vancouver, I wish there were places like that there =-(
Oh well... 

Cheers,
Nikos.
From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Mission (U.K.) question
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29083]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <IeQQ7ha00WDKQ59Vhu@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon 
<vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>
>I picked up the new Mission album recently ("Masque") and I like it a
>lot. My question is this: what happened to Simon? Did he leave, quit,
>die, get kicked out, or what? I recently saw a poster for the Mission
>that said something like "The Mission....Ex-Sisters of Mercy"--is this
>true? If so, are they all from SoM and which albums were they a part of?

    Simon Hinckler left the band while they were on tour after "Carved 
In Sand" was released. He left the band in Toronto without any prior
warning and was replaced (at least for that night's show) by someone 
who was on the road with them and used to practice occasionally with the 
band. Hussey said all this on stage that night but I didn't catch the 
name of the new guitarist. He did pretty well that night and I assume 
he played out the rest of the tour, but since I don't know his name 
I don't know if he stayed with the band after that. 
    I think your questions about the relationship between The Mission 
and the Sisters of Mercy were answered in other posts.

Bob
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: %% King Missle: Where To Buy??
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:43:22 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Actually the Dartmouth Bookstore has King Missle, so if your ever in
New Hampshire, it's a very happy and friendly place to buy runki
albums.


                                                 Fred Bobert


"What's that blue thing doing here?"
                           -TMBG
From: poole@castor.cs.uga.edu (BRYAN POOLE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins next album?
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:30:57 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul23.201939.14498@news.acns.nwu.edu> homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Homulka) writes:
>I don't think the Cocteau Twins have broken up.  However, I recall reading a
>little tidbit in NME about a month or so ago that the Cocteau Twins have moved
>(or are moving soon) to their new recording studio with (the thing that
>puzzled me) their new label.  (So I think they're still together although they
>may be moving from homebase 4AD).  I don't have the article here, but I'll
>check the magazine and report back if anyone's interested.

Right. They ditched 4AD sick up of being classified. I think that They had some
major hangups with Ivo - the head honcho. Anyway, they are still on Capitol
in the U.S. and I believe on Fontana in Europe. I had heard that there will
be something new either this summer or fall, but I heard that last winter.

So I sincerely doubt the CT have broken up. It just doesn't seem plausible.
I mean its not like they tour incessantly. Besides, if they did I'd
go insane and grieve until I ran out of bodily fluids.

=-=--=-==-=====--=--=-===-=-=-=
= Bryan Poole = Boots Anyone? -
-   poole@castor.cs.uga.edu   =
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From: page.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Hot Glue Gun
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:15:47 GMT

In article <BrvILL.8sw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter  
Scogman) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.214451.22870@Princeton.EDU> page.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh  
(Justin C. Goh) writes:

> >Hot Glue Gun has an excellent single out.  All of you should buy it.  It's  
kind  
> 
> What is the name of the single??  They are a local band, so I've seen them a
> couple times, but have never gotten their albums (it's cheaper and more
> fun to see them live, one time the guitarist broke a couple strings, so the
> drummer and bassist did a thrash version of Mary Has A Little Lamb, tons
> 'o fun!!!)
> 
> Chris
> -- 
>                    +  Quick to judge, quick to anger
>  cs50665.uxa.cso.  +  Slow to understand.
>     uiuc.edu       +  Ignorance and prejudice
> 		   +  And fear walk hand in hand.

As far as I know, they only have the 7-inch single out.  It's on Mud records  
(or maybe Parasol, but it doesn't matter since they're run by the same guy) and  
has three songs.  One song is so-so, one is pretty good, and one is way cool.   
The one I really like is "I'll kill you" and it's one of the best songs I've  
heard all year.  I've never seen them live, but I'd love to.  I really like  
their sound.  Like I said before, kind of happy, grungy, pop.  The only  
comparison which comes to mind in Les Thugs, and the two bands aren't all that  
similar.  Anyway, all of you should check Hot Glue Gun out.  If you can't find  
it in your local store, which is very likely, mail order it directly from Mud  
or some other cool mail-order place like Ajax (located in Chicago).  Ciao.

- Justin Goh
"Did someone say indie net?  What a good idea." - me
From: sporter@benjy.esd.sgi.com (Scott Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Stiff Records collection?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:38:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

Picked up a great double CD collection of early punk / pubrock singles
released on Chiswick in the late '70's - early '80's. Put out by ACE
records. It's got stuff by the Count Bishops, Radiators from Mars, 
plus "Keys to Your Heart" by Joe Strummer's pre-Clash band, a couple of
Damned singles, "I Wanna Be Free" by the Rings (one of the all time
great early punk tunes),, etc, etc. Excellent collection.

Anyway, the question is: Does anyone know whether there's a similar
collection of early Stiff Records singles?

Later,
Scott
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Stone Roses: Turned To Stone
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:40:20 GMT

Turned To Stone is a 10 track 55 min CD, with the following track-listing:

Elephant Stone / The Hardest Thing In The World / Going Down / Mersey 
Paradise / Standing Here / Fools Gold / What The World Is Waiting For / One 
Love / Something's Burning
...and somewhere inbetween: Where Angels Play

This is just from memory, but I think this is fairy correct.

In other words, nothing to be excited about, if you have all the singles
already.

I wonder why they didn't include the tracks from the So Young and Sally
Chinnamon singles (5 tracks, I think). That would have made it a bit more 
interesting...

Vidar
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From: page.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Helmet: Why alternative?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:29:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.120817.27982@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
> 
> I've read about helmet in Alternative Press.  I've readabout helmet
> here. I bought the album, and I love it, but what makes helmet different
> than a normal heavy metal band?  Why alternative?  (No flame wars, Just
> wondering..)
> 
> BTW: Notice that Helmet's lyrics are always short phrases.
> 
> You have to look at the whole song to get the bigger picture.
> -- 
> Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
> Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92

This is really a difficult question.  It really asks:  Why is anything
considered alternative in the first place?  Please guys, lets not get
into this discussion.  But as Helmet is concerned, here are my thoughts.
First of all, a lot of metal bands try to have an "image" or a "look."
You know, long hair, bright, tight clothes with lots of leather, 
buckles, and studs.  Part of such bands' appeal is their look.  Kiss 
and Motley Crue are cases in point.  On the other hand, Helmet couldn't
really give a shit how they look.  They all have very short hair, wear
normal, unripped clothes, and often sport baseball caps.  They look like
your normal Joe Shmoes.  For Helmet, the music counts, not the image.
Secondly, the music is actually pretty alternative.  A lot of metal
(at least IMO) follows this formula:  metalish vocals (you know, that 
kind of high, piercing, drawn-out sound), cheesey guitar solos with 
stupid exhibitions on scales and the like, and the token ballad thrown 
in to show the women (hey, no flames please) that the band is oh-so-
sensitive.  Blah!!  The songs also tend to be simplistic in 
structure and the lyrics are just plain stupid.  Page, on the other 
hand, simply screams.  Well, he does sing a bit on the new album, but
"Strap It On" was strictly screaming.  Also, the songs are pretty unique
and complicated.  The rhythms are very interesting.  Try this out:
listen to a metal song you've never heard before and try to predict
what will happen next in the song.  More often than not, it's pretty
easy to do.  Not so with Helmet on the other hand.  Try to play air
guitar to a Helmet song you are listening to for the first time.  It's
almost impossible.  The changes in rhythm are really unpredictable.
Helmet, IMO, has a very unique,fresh sound.  Sure they play loud guitar, 
but I wouldn't call them metal.  For lack of a better term, they are
"grunge" in my book.  Also, I find that "alternative" artists are
more intelligent and diverse than metal artists. (Please no flames
:-))  For instance, Page loves John Coltrane (I think.  Maybe it's
Charlie Parker.  I forget).  He also does some interesting stuff
with Glenn Branca.  In a nutshell, I guess "alternative" music
is stuff that is new and unique in some way.  And IMO, Helmet
fits that bill.
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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Some Velvet Sidewalk (Re: K Records)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:49:45 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Jul21.220153.17454@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.211831.9386@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:

>Hmmm...you probably know more than I do about their line-up...I'd say that
>you're most likely right - on the 'Throw' comp cd they have a bassist, and
>they never play down here in Georgia, so my info's probably a bit outdated
>(I was going by their singles and 'Appetite For Extinction'...)

Maybe so.  I do know that *Appetite* was recorded quite a while (like over
a year) before it was released.

--
    "Tell  me, who *hasn't* felt close to the edge and down by the river" 
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Andy Whitman
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Horatio Gadsplatt III)
Subject: Re: Lolla: What is allowed?
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.154940.10783@infonode.ingr.com> skeltonm@infonode.ingr.com (Mark Skelton) writes:
>A couple of friends and I were talking about bringing some things with us
>to the concert...  Could anyone tell me what is allowed and what isn't?
>For example, can you bring your own food and drink (non-alcoholic) in with
>you?


	Things seen at the concert Yesterday:

Blankets.
Umbrellas (the collapsable kind)
Beer
Whiskey
Hash Pipes of just about every size imaginable.
Plastic Tarps (it was raining)
Large numbers of unused condoms.
Dead bodies (not really)
Cameras
VIdeo Cameras


	Each person in our group brought a bag with food and crap with us, and 
they never even checked us at the doors...

Marc 'em.

-- 
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From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: _Power, Corruption & Lies_
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.203102.18329@news.iastate.edu> glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha) writes:
>I've figured 
>out what the colored squares and rectangles along the edges mean, but I've
>got no ideas about the colored circle or markings on the cassette itself.
>Supposedly, they should mean something.

What do "the colored squares and rectangles along the edges mean"?
Personally I was thrilled when I figured out that the album cover was
supposed to look like a floppy disk--I didn't know all the other stuff
_meant_ something. Sorry I can't help you with your question but I'd
be interested in hearing what you already know.






-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave vs. Industrial
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.001829.21126@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

>I guess the reason I don't like most current 'techno' is because so much of
>it is one riff for sixteen minutes and no chord changes.  I don't mind the
>no-structure thing anymore, but unless it does something to set it apart
>from the crowd, it might as well be Front Line Assembly without the vocals
>and samples for three hours straight, because that's what if feels like
>when I go to a club.

well what most people dont understand is that a lot of techno, whether
it is hardcore acid house, or ambient electronic rain drops
is usually brainless and easy to make, the only purpose for it
being that in the hands of a skilled DJ, it will make REAL music
it needs to be simple and repetitive, that way it give the DJ a little
room,  its a BITCH to mix with somehting that changes its BPM or
worse if it shifts from 8 counts a measure to 6 or something

>All in my own opinion, so leave me alone Pete.

yeah. 
--
I am, therefore I rave.
 ,
dana watanabe 		email to: DWATANAB@UCI.EDU
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From: lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Liz Clayton)
Subject: Re: Best looking Cds
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:59:19 GMT

Some standout picture-CDs I've run across:

Straitjacket Fits, "Missing From Melt" CD5
Throwing Muses, _The Real Ramona_ CD-- the Sire Promos of this come with a 
	/gorgeous/ multicolor picture of a pink grapefruit crossection. Wowsa.
Curve, "Cherry" EP has a kinda pretty disc..
Also lovely are the series of CDs from the latest Bats album, being the CD
for _Fear of God_, and the two CD-singles for "Boogey Man" and "The Black and
The Blue"

Liz

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From: mjs49101@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Martin )
Subject: Where Can I Buy Rave?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:35:22 GMT

     I'm writing on behalf of a friend who wants to get his hands
on Rave albums. He lives in Alabama right now and is having 
a hard time finding stores that carry this type of music. Is there
anyone out there who knows where he should look? He needs to 
buy originals(not bootlegs) as he plans to use them in his club. He
is interested in finding stores in Birmingham, Al. as well as any
mail order places around the country.

     Please send any suggestions to me.

     Thanks

     MARTIN 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: eebr3@fel.tno.nl (Rob Been)
Subject: ONRUST!, <Dutch>
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:34:51 GMT
Keywords: Onrust!, Live, Concerten, Neil Young, video, Red Hot Chili P., etc.

Hoi,

Heeft iemand op 26 juli j.l. ONRUST! opgenomen per video (Ned. 2 VPRO) ?
Zo ja, kan ik die band kopieeren ?

Bvd ...

-- 
Rob Been
rbeen@fel.tno.nl
TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory, The Hague, The Netherlands
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