From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Mississippi Doctors want Supreme Court to end 24-hour delay
Summary: If reason was a snake, it would die from biting Suxanne... 
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:38:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.200401.942@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>From article by bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt):
>>
>> _San_Francisco_Chronicle_, October 3, 1992 (Page A6):
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>A completely impartial and unbiased source, I'm sure.

Yea.  We all _know_ that the SFC is the toady of the secret gay conspiracy,
which was behind flouridating the water, requiring vaccination shots for
entry into public schools, and the vile requirement that you must be
35 before you can run for president...

>(snicker)
[Chuckle]

>
>>           The Mississippi Law originally was to take effect
>>           in September 1991, but a federal judge barred its
>>           enforcement pending a decision on the lawsuit.
>>           The New Orleans appeals court allowed the law to
>>           take effect when it dismissed the lawsuit in
>>           August.
>> 
>>           Since then, the appeal filed yesterday said,
>>           ``Mississippi abortion providers have seen the
>>           number of women obtaining abortions plummet by
>>           more than 50 percent.''
>
>50%!!  Good Lord!  Halleluiah!   Let's repeat this in all 50 states!

And let's start in Arizona, then see to it that Suxanne gets an tubal
pregnancy...

>
>>           The law creates an undue burden in Mississippi,
>>           even if it might not in Pennsylvania, the appeal
>>           said.  
>
>More likely a drain on the pocketbooks of Mississippi abortionists!

More mind reading, Suxanne?  Or are you privy to the financial information
of Mississippi clinics?

>
>>           Mississippi has only three abortion
>>           clinics, and most residents -- many of them poor
>>           -- must travel long distances to get an abortion,
>>           it said.
>
>Why don't they just _ask_ these women why they don't come back??

Hey, Suxanne!  How many days a month do you have to abstain from having
sex when you're practicing NFP?  What, you're not going to answer?

>
>My bet would be that it __ain't__ finances and "undue burdens", at all, but
>the simple fact that, relieved of the abortionists' hard sell and rush jobs,
>they simply changed their minds, and their hearts, in favor of their children.

How much would you care to bet?  You'll lose, you know..


>
>>           The mandatory delay has led to increased
>>           surveillance and harassment of women seeking
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>           abortions, the appeal said.  
>
>Crap on crackers, as I'm sure only "The San Francisco Chronicle"

Suxanne, I hardly think that getting a phone call at 3:00am from an
anonymous male voice screaming that "you're going to burn in hell for
murdering your child!" is "crap on crackers".  Yet this is what happened
to a co-worker of mine who went to a PP clininc for a pregnancy test.

>could dish up.

And only you could eat that "crap on crackers", claim that it tasted like
cavier, then spew it back out and expect somebody else to eat it.

>
>>           And anti-abortion
>>           advocates have used patients' license plate
>>           numbers to get their names and addresses and
>>           contact them during the waiting period.
>
>Perhaps they simply talk to them as they walk out of their initial appointment.

And perhaps you should stop mainlining guano every morning for breakfast...

>Not too hard to do if you're waiting outside on the sidewalk, and people
>aren't hurrying past in their shame of what they're about to do.

Of course not.  All you have to do if get four or five people around them,
and force them to answer your questions.  Fascist groups have been doing
it for centuries.

>
>> I wonder -- assuming the appeal isn't rife with lies and half-truths,
>
>Well, I'm assuming it is.

Of course your are.  Its the truth, and it doesn't fit in with your rosy
world that the pro-life orginizations have spoon-fed you...

>
>> how could the Supreme Court not decide that the waiting period does
>> not amount to an `undue burden?'
>
>By deciding that public access to license plate identities is where the
>"burden" is.    In a great many states, Woody, laws have been passed
>making such information completely UNavailable to any Tom, Dick, or
>Harry who asks for it, simply because MURDERS have been committed by people 
>who just didn't like the way somebody else was driving, and obtained
>the name and address from the MVD, went to the residence, and blew them away.

Well, gee, Suxanne.  Right up there a couple of paragraphs ago you were
saying that the pro-lifers *weren't* getting their information from the
license plate bureaus.  Why the sudden switch?

>
>> I would like to see the opinions of some of our regular anti-abortion
>> posters regarding the news clipping quoted above, and specifically, I
>> would like to see a defense of the charge that using license plate
>> numbers to get names and addresses of clinic patients 
>
>I am not going to defend getting information through license plates.  For
>the reasons stated above, I don't think license plate identities should
>be available in any state.

STOP THE PRESSES!  I AGREE WITH SUZANNE ON SOMETHING!  THE WORLD AS WE
KNOW IT IS COMING TO AND END!

>
>However, simply following the patients off the property, and offering them
>prenatal help, maternity care, and an ear to listen to, is COMPLETELY
>honorable, compassionate, and within reason!

Its also against most, if not all the anti-stalking laws present in the
US.  It might also be against some of the "hate crime" laws that are
in effect.

>
>> and contacting
>> them during the mandatory waiting period is an immoral invasion of
>> privacy which amounts to harassment, and that such harassment is
>> essentially misogynistic in character.
>
>This is malarky.  OBVIOUSLY, since the article states that a full 50% of
>Mississippi women now cancel their abortions after scheduling them, these
>women are VERY RECEPTIVE to the pro-life help being offered them.  I guarantee
>none of THEM call it "harrassment".   Only the abortionists, worried about
>their fat wallets getting skinny, do.

You will post your evidence that "none of THEM call it 'harrassment'",
won't you?  I'd be *very* interested in seeing it...
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