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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Run and Shoot (was: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates))
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:36:39 GMT
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Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:

>Well, I agree and disagree. The run and shoot is more complex than Bill makes
>it out to be. A pattern is called for every one of the four receivers, and they
>have optional patterns that they must switch to depending on the defensive
>alignments. Each receiver must make the correct read and execute the correct
>pattern, while the QB must make ALL of the correct reads (for each receiver).
>Thus, this offense is EXTREMELY complex for the QB. It is a difficult offense
>to execute correctly, which is why no team (that I have ever seen) has looked
>even decent at it in their first year of running it (this is somtimes true of
>other offenses, but _always_ true of the R&S).

This is quite correct.  When the R&S was invented by Mouse Davis
in the late 70's at Portland State, it took him awhile to get it
going.  Once he had Neil Lomax at QB, however, it was nothing
short of awesome.  

Believe it or not, the first major college to use the R&S was Cal.
Mouse Davis was brought to Berkeley by head coach Roger Theder to
install this new offense, and the move was widely ridiculed.
("This crazy scheme will never work with a real football team.")
In opening moments of Cal's first game of 1981 (Texas A&M), Theder
and Davis looked like geniuses.  The Bears were unstoppable.  No
where before had I seen such an exciting offense.  Receivers
were flying through the air.  The ball was rifled to them in the
end zone.  It was really something.  I went to an Oiler's game
last year, and it brought back pleasant memories.

But then, starting QB Gale Gilbert went down with a knee injury
in the second quarter- out for the year.  Backup quarterback
J (his name was just the letter "J") Torchio was unable to 
run the offense.  He often would throw the ball on the ground
about 10 yards downfield, obviously unable to handle the
complex defense reads required in the R&S.  They learned the
hard way that a good QB is vital to the success of the R&S. By mid-season, 
the R&S was abandoned, and coach Davis resigned.  Theder was fired
after a 2-9 season, only to be replaced by someone much worse.
(Joe Kapp)  


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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NEED TIX!!
Keywords: Tech, FSU
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:51:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I need 6 tix for the Oct. 17 Tech-FSU game.  Please send e-mail to my address
if you have any info.
Thanks in advance!
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From: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Subject: A&M on ABC (was Re: LSU/A&M Spread?)
Keywords: Beat the Class of '90 hell outta lsu	
Reply-To: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 14:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.185821.29090@hou.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp
(CJohn Mace) writes:
|>
|>Also, the game is on ABC, and I 
|>cannot remember the last time we won a game being carried by ABC..  :-(
|>
|>cmuck

I can, it was when I was a sophomore back in '87.  We were on ABC twice.
Once was against a  team that had a highly regarded quarterback until he
met a Mr. John Roper.  That team was co-champion last year.  Yes, I'm
talking about the Washington Huskies.  ABC also had another A&M game
against the bears from waco.  It was during that game that we all saw an
amazing comeback by the Aggie offense led by then QB Kevin Murray.  The
Aggies beat baylor 31-30 in the last minute of the game.  Let the
tradition continue....

Beat the Class of '90 hell outta lsu,

Pedro '90

Name:	  Pedro C. Luna	                      |   
E-mail:   ped@bnr.ca                          |   
Org:      Bell-Northern Research              |

"Pico de gallo, you oughta give it a try-o
 even if you're from Ohio, it'll get you by-o.
 Don't get it in your eye-o unless you want to cry-o
 so come on, don't be shy-o, eat some pico de gallo!"

    --- Trout Fishing in America
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:53:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
}
}I was bored being stuck at a dorm on weekends.  I ended up doing (GASP!) 
}homework.

That was your choice.  You could have also chosen to make some money
and spend it on dates on weekends, a choice which the football players
are denied.

}Athletes who don't want to be students should be sent straight to the WLAF. 
}And perhaps coaches who feel this way should too.  I've just lost a lot of 
}respect for Spurrier (as for Erickson and Bowden, well, I'm not surprised).

These coaches didn't say they wanted to let the players skip all
their classes, they just said they wanted them to be paid for all
the effort they put forward and the money they *earn*.  I was on 
scholarship *and* worked for the school when I was an undergrad.  
It certainly enhanced rather than reduced my ability to finish school.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue News:  Ineligibilities
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:47:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

The Purdue Athletic Department announced Tuesday afternoon (8/25)
that seven Purdue athletes are academically ineligible for fall
semester sports, including 3 football players:

Mark Payne, freshman offensive lineman
Corey Rogers, sophomore tailback
Scott Smith, freshman outside linebacker

The athletes are allowed to practice with the team, but may not
compete and are not eleigible for an athletic scholarship the
for the fall semester.

While Rogers will remain at Purdue and practice with the team, 
Payne is expected to enroll at the University of Cinncinnati.
Purdue Head Coach Jim Colletto said he is not sure where Smith 
will go, but he had not expected Smith to contribute much play
this season.

First game:  9-12, the mighty Boilermakers 
                   v. the People's Republic of Berkeley
		   in West Lafayette.

17 days and counting....



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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Trojan News
Keywords: USC, Trojans
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:46:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>In article <la7mcgINNe84@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:
>>
>>Fight On!
>>Brian A. Kowal
>>_____________________________________________________________
>>A Bruin for four years... A Trojan for Life
>>At USC we are not arrogent... We are just better than you.
                    ^^^^^^^

  I see that the admission criteria for USC doesn't weigh much on the
verbal results of the SAT :-)

  Doug
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: 29 Aug 1992 00:03:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <DPASSAGE.92Aug28010449@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:
>In article <17kjdgINN3mk@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
>	wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>
>   Texas A&M 10
>   Stanford 7
>
>   Of course, only 25% of the A&M players get college degrees.
>
>Will, this message contains no misspellings of that junior college's
>name, no mention of rich parents or overpaid administrators, not even
>a swipe at their grading policy.  In fact, it even _compliments_ that
>junior college's athletic program.
>
>Will, we were at the Citrus Bowl together.  I know that you can do
>much, much better than this.
>
>David Paschich
>
>

Chill out, David.  I bleed blue and gold just as much as anyone.  However,
I didn't really want Stanfurd to lose this one, because any time a Pac
10 team beats an out of conference team it's a good thing.  It's bad
enough that there is so much East Coast Media Bias (tm) and if Stanfurd
had won it would have given the Pac 10 more of the recognition it
deserves.

As for swipes at Stanfurd, I leave those for games within the conference
since it really matters there as far as the Rose Bowl is concerned.

By the way, that SI top 20 is hilarious.  San Diego State is better than
all 4 of the Pac 10 California teams????  NOT!  

William F. Tell 
University of California
GO BEARS!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kcastro@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:00:55 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I was just going to let this all go, because as a Cal alum from the good
ole' 2-7 Joe Kapp days, Cal woofers bug the beejezus out of me, but...

Brian Kowal writes:

> In responce to Bill's comment:
> 
>>  And let me guess, at the Notre Dame Game the USC band will have played
>>  their "Tribute to Troy" song one billion times.
> 
>>  "That is the only song you know...
>>  it's boring and it's slow...
>>  We really wish you'd go."

[nice story about lucky friend who got in to cal deleted... ;)]

>                                                           Come to
> think of it, I've asked Cal students if they knew their fight song -
> most said no.  Kinda impressive, being able to sing the opposing teams
> fight song on que, but not knowing your own...

brian, honey, here was your grevious error.  "tribute to troy" IS NOT THE USC
FIGHT SONG!!!  that other stupid song, the one you play after each touchdown,
is your fight song.  i know you guys didn't hear it much last season, but
sheesh! just because your band plays a song upwards of 200 times in one game
(yeah, we counted one year because it's SO ANNOYING) doesn't make it your
fight song.

> I still find it interesting that Russell White wanted to come to USC,
> but was not accepted due to poor academic standing.  Of course Cal
> took him as quick as possible...
              ^^^^^
                 quickLY.  russell probably would have gotten that ;) 
  
...and don't you wish you had him now.  but really, he didn't get in to usc,
you are right, but cal took the time to diagnose his dyslexia and the guy
has a higher GPA than i had.  i think that russell white and cal have proven
that prop 48 actually can be a success.

> USC 66
> Cal 0

I remember those days well!

Kathy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: The Mickey Mouse Bowl
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:34:10 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation

lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.195954.14959@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>>While I can't claim to be intimate with all the details of the game (I ended up
>>awake to see about a dozen or so plays in the third quarter) my favorite play 
>>(which come to think of it happened in the first half . . .) was when the Texas
>>A&M defensive back danced about the Stanford running back taunting him after 
>>the wicked blow he put on the guy following the 7+ yard gain.  Really struck me
>>as odd . . .
>>
>>     - Pat

>I noticed this too, especially in the first few series.  A&M players looked
>like a "Miami Hurricane JV team" with their showboating on every play, even
>plays where Stanford gained a first down...   strange

>John L

I noticed it too.  Stanford would gain 4 or 5 yards and A&M would make a
normal tackle and it's SHOWTIME at A&M. A&M's defense celebrated after every
play.  That's was showboating IMHO.   Miami gets the new penalty for illegal
celebration participation, if the they don't keep a least one foot on the
ground after a TD.  ;-)

Rules are rules.  Who got that first cheap celebration penalty last year.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Aggies 10, Cardinal 7
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:51:57 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>*  RC Slocum outcoached Bill Walsh, IMHO.
>
>I don't agree.  I think what we saw as the game wore on was just how
>thin the talent is at Stanford.  I didn't see any adjustments that
>Walsh could make, except trade for an offensive tackle, a wide
>receiver, and (most importantly) two cornerbacks.

Hey, it's just MHO.  My comment was based on the fact that Walsh didn't
try anything different--at least from what I saw.  He tried to stick to
a game plan that just wasn't working (past the first series, anyway).
Slocum, on the other hand, figured out the run was getting stuffed and
went back to the air, despite the fact that Granger had been throwing 
fielding practice to the shortstop all day.  Granger finally started to
hit his recievers, and TAMU started to move the ball.

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:27:41 GMT

In article <stricher-020992175703@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>Is this the same CU that lost to Baylor last year at home?

The very same.  But revenge is mine -- and sweet -- sayeth Ralphie.
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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Yes!  The Dreaded GCMB!
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:26:00 GMT
Distribution: na

J.J.Clyde writes
+ JIMMY writes:

+ > YES!  It's the rise of the dreaded Gulf Coast Media Bias (GCMB[tm])!  
+ >We must act swiftly to save College Football from these deadly MB plagues!
+ 
+ Too late Jammer.  I hear the FutureProbationers of Missy State have also
+ been selected by fickle fate to play a part in this dreaded (and much
+ appreciated) conspiracy.....

No, no no! You've both got it wrong...it's the dreaded:

GOOBER College for Media Bias!

Where else do those idiot announcers come from? I hear one of the deans
is Beano Cook.

James
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates)
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:30:53 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes:

>In article <17ee3eINN11a@agate.berkeley.edu> rhan@viterbi.berkeley.edu (Richard Han) writes:
>>
>>Back to football.  I'm surprised that the line on the A&M vs. Stanford game
>>is only 2-3 points in A&M's favor.  I'd favor A&M by two touchdowns or more.
>>
>>On the matchups:
>>1) A&M offense has depth and speed in its favor, except at the QB position.
>>Stanford's defense is sorely lacking in depth and speed and will try to
>>make up for it by "smart" play, but may be worn down by A&M's sustained 
>>running attack.  I don't see A&M passing due to their brand-new QB.  This
>>could be a major handicap if A&M gets behind late.

>A&M's quarterback isn't that new anymore.  Jeff Granger played in 7 games
>last season [...]

The original posting was quite correct about the A&M QB.   This
was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a major
college QB and receivers.  The one TD was actually a broken play
that was more luck than anything else.   A&M was lucky to win.

The Aggie defense, on the other hand, was nothing short of
awesome.  They remind me a lot of Washington's defense last
year.   Very, very, very, quick.    If their offense can get
any points on the board, I can't see them losing any more games
this year until the Cotton Bowl.


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From: flynn@ocf.berkeley.edu (Owen John Flynn III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 27 Aug 1992 23:32:51 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug27.210055.27258@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>On behalf of both Stanfraud and TAMU:
>
>   Bring the F*cking Bears On.

	Unfortunately it is unlikely Cal will play TAMU for a long time to
  come (TAMU would be a welcome addition to our generally mediocre out
  of conference schedule which offers little potential national respect).
  We will oblige LSJU in November...however I will refrain from incessant
  woofing about Cal's Rosebowl hopes (and especially Big Game hopes) UNTIL
  I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF THEM IN A REAL GAME SITUATION to determine whether
  our questions at QB and on the O-line have been satisfactorily answered 
  by the returning and new talent. I am happy at the prospect of seeing
  Cal field 5-6 legitimate all-America candidates this year with
  RB Russell White, DT Mack Travis, PK Doug Brien, ILB Mick Barsala,
  OT Todd Steussie and WR Sean Dawkins. If Keith Gilbertson ("the other
  coach" to those of you subjected to the Bay Area sports pages) can provide
  even adequate coaching this year, I should think that we will do quite 
  well. The UW-Cal game tells the tale in 6 or 7 weeks (God, I wish that
  weren't played in Seattle); don't worry Cliff, I haven't forgot about
  the beer I MAY owe you. Don't forget that we return 3 of 4 starters in
  the defensive backfield this year; maybe we'll do better against that
  UW pass attack this time around.
	Just to see how far off base my previous assessment of TAMU was
  in the net's eyes, how many people out there believe they are likely to
  be the next Nat'l Champs (I won't submit that question about lsju now).
  Though offensively ugly, they are undefeated and may improve.

						GO BEARS!
						Owen Flynn
From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Anyone in Bay Area with vcr?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:14:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics


I hate to ask, but would anyone be willing to tape the
San Jose St - UCBerkeley game for me (Sat 5th of Sep).
I would assume that either KICU in San Jose, or perhaps 
one of the San Francisco stations, would broadcast it.

I would be willing to either pay tape+shipping costs,
or trade for a tape of Wisconsin vs Washington (played
the same day).  



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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:38:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Murasami Labs

Owen John Flynn III wrote:

[I didn't think the People's Republik of Berkeley allowed people with 
after-name tittles like III]

> In article <1992Aug27.210055.27258@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
> >On behalf of both Stanfraud and TAMU:

> >   Bring the F*cking Bears On.

> 	Unfortunately it is unlikely Cal will play TAMU for a long time to

I think he's refering to Baylor... :) :) :)

James
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: EASIEST SCHEDULE
Keywords: FSU, what are you talking about?
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <67532@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>ALL ON THE ROAD is far from a cakewalk, add to that playing the Gators at
>UF and I think its pretty clear that FSU does not have one of the easiest

We play the 'taters in Tallahassee this year.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:07:19 GMT

Marc J. Stephenson (marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com) wrote:
: Or, perhaps, are you just trying to start another useless, endless, whiny
: discussion about the merits and bad points of UT (with respect to fans,
: athletic programs, rivals, engineering programs, class, attitude towards
: A&M, etc.)?  Naaahhh.  Couldn't be. :-)

Well, Marc, it's either that, or else we have to talk about how poor little
Kal and NCSU are getting screwed by the SEOOTMMB.  :^)

(Someone Else's Opinion Other Than Mine Media Bias)

Note to Jammer Jim --  see, *my* invention is even *more* insidious
than yours!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: OU freshman QB quits?
Keywords: Oklahoma, OU, Davis
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:41:45 GMT


Anyone out there in Sooner country know the scoop on Frosh QB Chad Davis?

Someone told me that he quit OU, that he couldn't handle the competition.
Is this true?  What gives?  I know he was in Norman working out all summer,
spouting off how he was going to beat out Gundy.  I understand he impressed
a lot of folks this summer, some favorably, some not so favorably.  

It's gotta hurt, the guy passed for 9300 yards in HS.  Two blue chip WR's came
to OU because he signed.  He represented the post-Gundy future.

- Bill Dostalik         
                   "Sooner born, Sooner bred."

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