From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: yes
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:48:09 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: disagree on several points was  Several words about posting...
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an1977@anon.penet.fi (The_Poet) writes:
>       Those of you who have been reading this group for a while will probably
>not know me...

not true, I recognize your name, but not your poetry.

>      Put a "// Re:* //" in your KILL file.  Works GREAT!!!
>
kill file works for rn and trn as far as I can tell, but
I don't have // in mine, mine works more like this:
/*rand*/h:j
this translates to, kill anything with (garble)rand(garble) in the header.
To start a kill file, I type either shift K or control k, I can't remember.

>but as no one BUT the poet cares, PLEASE E-MAIL.

This is not true. You do not know what you are talking about. Someone
once mailed me and said I was being silly and irrelevant. Since they
did not ask for an explanation I did not offer. But I did disagree, (except
for the silly)

I am tempted to say you are limited in your thinking.  But I do not know this.

one example.
there are patterns of thought in what people say. I consider it a massive
data gathering project to read what you all say, and to listen to people
talk. It is all fit for poetry, IN A CERTAIN STRICT sence.
        so let me explain, this involves the irrelevencey accusation also.

Don told me once, I hope he doesnt mind me misquoting him, that I respond
to things in an assymptotic way. THIS IS THE POINT. (no, it isn't the
point, but in my head, certain phrases are highlighted. when someone reads
what I write, the dweebs (TM, Marek) don't highlighted, they just skip
over it, gets on my nerves. so I have to lie and say things like THIS IS
THE WHOLE POINT. it is somewhat like my notecards with pictures of
hot air balloons, labeled, "To notice sea-lions" (but I am on a precipice
trying to explain this, I have not anaylzed all of this instance yet - later)


ANYTHING is relevant as you are able to make it so. as you are able to see
connections.

Also, when someone posts a poem called "The Name of my Pain" to give an
example. it is full of gangrenous cliches. 

I cannot even stand to critique the whole thing. so I highlight the title,
and accuse the author of using words lightly. of not thinking.

I make up rules with the post, 
1. Do not take words for granted.

later, in the context of myself, I break rules, I lie. So this is also
relevant.

I make up rules. I break them just as fast. arbitraryness. This tells you
something. but I am not sure what it is so I will have to xontemplate before I 
explain.


Everything is relevant. The process is relevant. I try to find the
relevancy. I ask what the relevancy is.

Another example.
Nancy Howelss wrote a poem. I replied with a reference to an aessay
from "The Mind's I," It is relevant. Her poem had a traditional philsophical
question, that I am very interseted in. Various people have discussed and
thought about it. Philip K Dick, The auhtors in the Mind's I, Rudy Rucker.
To me, It is improtant to talk to all these people when I think, trade
ideas.

Another example,
for instance, lately I have been taking Jtrue's name in vain.
In some of John's poetry - modern images. But I am not sure what the
word is. It is a topic I want breached. I made a table of contents.
Was I just babbling? No. I made an insert, about John, about modern
imagery, I even quoted William Gibson's sentence, as an example, as
something I wanted to be discussed. 
I do not have a vocabulary for it. Just examples. and hard to make,
I will try: there are things, once someone posted a haiku about
wiping a mirror with a tissue and the sound.
Maybe this is an example. Car fluid, umbrellas, metal joints, gears,
pavement, desks, cleaner odor. all of these things, and people still
talk about birds, and flowers, and etc.
No probablem with birds. But we do not live in a vacuum of past imagry.
Some people try to draw of it. but usually it is weak. sometimes interesting.
I will think of more ideas latter, the network has a slow responce and
is giving me problems.

btw, None of my type responces belong in sci.poetics, that is why I
was intersted in sci.poetics, If you want to know more, from me speciifically
You will have to wait until I finish reading.
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu