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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:33 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Somalia

Emmy,

I know a lot of people think that our lack of assistance is due partly
or wholly to do with race or religion ...that Soamilians are black or
Bosnians are muslims......

I think it has to do with money and votes......If Black people in the U.S.
were as organized and wealthy as the Jewish people and knew how to
use the system as well, we would have been going to the rescue of Somalia
as we do to the rescue of Israel....

In the end, how we (the gAmerican gov't) spend our money depends on who
and how many we can get reelected....or atleast how much we can get to
their campaign chests......

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:47:00 CST
From:         CHELAGOI <CHOWNING@ACUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Is anyone still reading this?

Ruth,
I am here, lurking behind the screen.

I have been writing on Africa-l alot these days concerning the situation
in Somalia.  Thousands dying because they do not have anything to eat.
That is truly a cross-cultural problem or challenge.  We will send
aid, food, troops whatever it will take that people not starve in
Europe, but Africa "we have tried too long."

Southern Africa and the Sudan will become great areas of starvation in
just a few short weeks.  Will the world, will we sit by and watch it
on the tube?

--- Chelagoi
From: chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU (Richard Chowning)
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Date: 6 Oct 92 15:24:38 GMT
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In Message 05 Oct 1992 19:14:20 -0500 (CDT), jean <JLatting@UH.EDU> writes:

>Chelagoi I have involved in discussions and thinking about how
>EVERYONE is damaged by racism (classism/sexism/etc.) and not just
>the targets of it.  Your statement above illustrates it beautifully.
>I am also reading a book called Modern Madness about how workplaces in
>the West foster emotional ill health.  The thesis of the author is
>similar to what you have said above.  Those who have learned to look
>out for number one and to crawl over others to "get ahead"
>may be considered a "success" by workplace standards, but pay the toll
>for it in feelings of numbness and disconnection from others in their
>home lives as well in their offices.  The author eloquently describes
>"yuppies" who "have it made" and yet wind up in his office (he's
>a psychologist or psychiatrist) wondering why they feel so empty
>inside. As he says, what appears healthy may be unhealthy and vice
>versa.
Share with us more about this book.  I work with students, as many on this
list do.  It seems that it is really hard to reach many of them about
suffering in the lives of others.  Part of it is the numbness that comes
from being taught to be concerning with self.  Our modern educational
curriculum seems to foster this attitude as an ideal.  The other part of it
is that I think many of these students are going through a lot of pain
themselves, they are learning and in many cases have learned to block out
the pain in their lives.  The pain in other's lives is far to distant to
reach them.

I hope that is not dispare, but I think it approaches reality.  We need to
and must make a difference in bring some sense of world community careing.
We need to teach people to feel for and help others.

--- Chelagoi
_____________________________________________________________________
Chelagoi               alias                         Richard Chowning

chowning@acuvax.acu.edu                  Abilene Christian University
chowning@acuvax.bitnet                                 Abilene, Texas
rchowning@igc.org                               Voice: (915) 674-3754
_______________________________________________________________________
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xcult-l
Subject: Venues for African Playscripts
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:53 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Kabu Okai-Davies, a playwright from Ghana, is sitting next to me in my office
right now, and wants to know venues for scripts about Africa and African-
American experience.  In August I attended "In Another Man's Name," his
brilliant play about being a Ghanaian in Newark.  The play highlighted
conflicts and resolutions between Africans and African Americans.  It was
performed by an ensemble group out our Symphony Hall.   It is a play that
people in many other locations would enjoy seeing.  But networks for plays
of this sort are not established as they are for many 'home-grown' scripts.
Kabu has strong support from Baraka and other playwrights in the NY region.
Do any of you know of ways that he could bring his material to the attention
of producers and directors elsewhere?  And not only his plays, but the
plays of many of his African compatriates?

Since he does not have an email account now, you may write to him at

   P. O. Box 943
   Orange, NJ 07051
   201-642-0133 office; 201-783-3059 (home)

Or if you prefer, reply to me and I will get your message to him.

Long live Africa!

Louie

-- 
  ==========================================================================
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  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                            Closets are for prayer!
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:38:07 EDT
From:         "(Stephen O. Lidie)" <lusol@TURKEY.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: anonymous ftp (what happened to lehigh ?)
Comments: To: CYBER-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
              92 12:00 pm

>
> Anybody knows what happened to cdc1.cc.lehigh.edu ?, is there
> any other site like that ?. I know about quixote already, but
> they don't seem to have any NOS/VE stuff in there.
>
> Felix
>

Yes, I know what happened, but I still can't talk about it (-:
Try NVE.UWO.CA (129.100.3.100, I believe) for the Cyber archives....
they are now the anonymous FTP site.

Steve

lusol@Lehigh.EDU
From: jkm@TAMARACK.CRAY.COM (John Matthews)
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Subject: Re: Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:38:28 GMT
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Comments: To: CYBER-L@vm.gmd.de

Jack,

You probably want to subscribe to the CYBER-L at UGA.
Somehow I got onto the one at vm.gmd.de which is in
Germany.  This stuff gets echoed around, though.  If
you look at comp.sys.cdc in USENET, you'll also find
everthing posted to CYBER-L.

John


		+--------------------------------------------+
		  John Matthews			jkm@cray.com
		  Cray Research, Inc.		612/683-5704
		+--------------------------------------------+
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:45:15 EDT
From:         "(A. Kaniss)" <dashiell@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: 3270 emulation
Comments: To: CYBER-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

you need kermit on both machines.  Most machines can speak kermit
so this should solve your problem.

Jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:35:00 BSC
Reply-To:     gomide@BRFAPQ.BITNET
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From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
--
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:03:00 EST
From:         rbcollin@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      tape drive
Comments: To: cyber-l%uga.bitnet@thama1.apgea.army.mil

          I hear there is a tape drive for sale . how much is it?

          (My apologies if you received this message more than once)
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:17:00 EST
From:         rbcollin@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      tape drive
Comments: To: cyber-l%uga.bitnet@thama1.apgea.army.mil

          I hear there is a tap drive up for graps around here.
          What's the asking price?

          (My apologies if you received a related meassge earlier)
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:11:51 +0100
From:         THOM@BDILUC01.BITNET
Subject:      setting terminals_model parameter in a TCP/IP net ?

Hi,


I am looking for the easiest way (if any !) to distinguish a Mac from a PC
after both login to my Cyber via telnet (NCSA telnet vs. PC/TCP).
What I actually want to do is to assign the correct terminal_model to each
type of equipment (Mac_connect vs PC_Connect).

Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance,

Marc

------------------------------------

Marc Thoelen
Limburgs Universitair Centrum
Universitaire Campus Gebouw D
B-3590 Diepenbeek
Belgium

Tel. ++32-11-268131
Fax. ++32-11-268199
email: THOM@BDILUC01.BITNET
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:09:01 -0700
From:         mccalld@SONOMA.EDU
Subject:      RE: is there something like tcpdump in ep/ix ?
Comments: To: CYBER-L@uga.cc.uga.edu%MAILER.dnet@mvax.Sonoma.EDU

How about tcp_wrappers?!!!!!
   We've been using it successfully on our SUN SPARC machines and have
a genuine kill (as far as hackers are concerned) for it to boot.  The wrapper
caught someone from Boston University trying to hack into our ZIPPY machine.
the wrapper did a reverse finger and found out the culpret. I believe it is
 available
from any anonynmous ftp mirror site...!
mccalld@sonoma.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:36:52 TUR
From:         Aykut ERAL <AYKUTE@TRMETU.BITNET>
Subject:      3270 emulation

  Hi,
  I know I send such mail before , but I've got no response so I decided
to write again.An answer whether positive or not will be very helpful for
me. After all these, We have a CYBER 932/31 mainframe running TCP/IP which
we want to connect to an IBM 3090 mainframe. The question is that we can only
access in line-mode where most of the applications needs full screen mode.
To overcome this problem is there any IBM 3270 terminal emulation or terminal
defination procedures ? Or do I realy need an SNA gateway ?

  Thanks in advance.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:26:11 -0900
From:         "Mr. Cox" <FSPMC2@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kyst software for NOS

        This may not be too helpful, but once when I was in a FORTRAN
class a file that looked completely fine had a syntax error in it.
The professor came along and said it looked fine to him too.  So
then he "deleted" through all the blank spaces following the line in
question.  I think he was trying to delete any control characters
that had been inadvertently added by the programmer (a friend in
the class).  After deleting through the apparently blank spaces at
the end of the syntax error line,  the program worked fine.
You should try that since it is free and will take virtually no time.
--Matrix Deter
From: rclarke@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cyber-l
Subject: Re: obsolete Cyber
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:05:58 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <920922091645623-MTACICG*lsiret@frgren81.bitnet>, LSIRET@FRGREN81.BITNET writes:
> We stop our Cyber 990 next january.
> If you have a use for this equipment (or part of it), or would
> like more information, please contact me at the following email
> address, phone number or fax

I am very interested but would like the specs since I'm not familar with the
990.  You also didn't wheather you are selling or donating this computer.  If
you are selling how much?
For some reason your email didn't work.

> 
> Yvon Siret   Universite de Grenoble
> CICG BP53X 38041 Grenoble Cedex  France
> fax (33) 76 42 11 71

--
Ethan Clarke
---
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:18:54 -0700
From:         "(Felix Villarreal s.j.)" <felix@CCS.SOGANG.AC.KR>
Subject:      is there something like tcpdump in ep/ix ?

We have a CDC4375 that acts as a gateway from our LAN to the world.
We do want to know (or make stats) about which machine is sending
which packets to where. I found the tcpdump software but that requires
still more software (bison) and re-compilation of the kernel, etc.

Does anybody out there know about an application that I can use to monitor
the use of our CDC machine for telnetting, ftping, etc ? (netstat does
not know about what other machines are doing so that doesn't help).

Felix ,

Felix M. Villarreal, s.j.
Sogang University
Seoul
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:00:17 -0700
From:         "(Felix Villarreal s.j.)" <felix@CCS.SOGANG.AC.KR>
Subject:      anonymous ftp (what happened to lehigh ?)

Anybody knows what happened to cdc1.cc.lehigh.edu ?, is there
any other site like that ?. I know about quixote already, but
they don't seem to have any NOS/VE stuff in there.

Felix
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:11:57 -0700
From:         mccalld@SONOMA.EDU
Subject:      TURNING '1' INTO 'FF' TO PRINT ON VAX
Comments: To: cyber-l@uga.bitnet%mailer.dnet@mvax.Sonoma.EDU

Greetings:
   I'm trying to use xedit to change all of the form feeds from cyber
format ( a 1 in col. one ) to a ff or ^l in col 1.......the output file
will be ftpd to the vax and printed on a laser printer .....
I tried the following on an impt file to xedit:
wm 1 1
xchangew/1/^l/*
then i tried replacing the ^l on inpt with an octchange of whatever the ^l was
to a 7654 which is a 6/12 display code form feed or ff.....
the statement then followed - xedit,foo,i=inpt,l=0,nh.....

all of the 1's disappeared but the control code for form feed never made it
into the  appropriate places....( I guess )
anyone with any suggestions would be helpful. I am intending to automate
this process with a skedulr program that will call ftp & procfil stuff to
subsequently transmit the file to the vax and print it on the laser printer
.....
thanks ahead of time.
mccalld@sonoma.edu
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:15:56 EDT
From:         Steve Greenfield <FEATS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      MVS/XA, SMS, System Datasets

I just installed CBIPO 91R which is an MVS/XA system.  I defined all of
my production NONVSAM datasets, which were in my production master catalog,
to my CBIPO master catalog.  These NONVSAM datasets were in my production
master catalog because they were LPALST and LNKLST datasets which are
required to be in the master catalog.  Of these NONVSAM datasets, 111 were
SMS managed on the old production system.  The DEFINE NONVSAM job I used to
add these to my CBIPO master catalog did not add the SMS status information.
I can access these datasets on my now production CBIPO system, but I cannot
rename or delete these datasets.

I tried a DELETE NOSCRATCH and DEFINE NONVSAM RECATALOG job that did not
work because the NVR in the VVDS still references the old production master
catalog name.  I called IBM to see if there was a way to correct this problem
and haven't heard back from them yet.  I can correct this problem in one of
two ways:

1)  I can ZAP the VVDS NVR to change the name of the catalog.  Then I can
    run a DELETE NOSCRATCH and DEFINE NONVSAM RECATALOG.
2)  I can create a new dataset for each NONVSAM, then copy the information
    from the old dataset to the new dataset.

Does anyone know of an easier way to correct my problem?  Can anyone point
me to documentaion that specifically says that a dataset in the master
catalog cannot be an SMS managed dataset?  Has anyone else faced this type
of problem?

If LNKLST and LPALST datasets have to be in the Master Catalog, then does
this mean that none of them can be SMS managed?  If SMS managed datasets
are not supposed to be in the Master Catalog, then why does a RENAME correctly
place an SMS managed dataset into the Master Catalog (assuming it is renamed
with a HLQ that does that have a corresponding ALIAS)?

At this point I don't know whether or not to fix the master catalog structure
so that these datasets are listed as SMS managed or to unmanage all 111 NONVSAM
datasets which would require extensive work when the system is unavailable to
users!!!  Can anyone throw out some recommendations, suggestions, alternatives,
or a life preserver?

Thanks in advance!



Stephen L. Greenfield                     Bitnet:   FEATS@VTVM1
Virginia Polytechnic Institute   ,/\      Internet: feats@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Blacksburg, Virginia           ,/   `\/`'\
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:39:01 -0400
Reply-To:     Doug Fraser <dfraser@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca>
From:         Doug Fraser <dfraser@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: RMF I/O activity discrepancy
Comments: To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>

I have always understood that there was not a one to one relationship
between excps and i/os.  I cannot remember the explanation.  However, a
discrepancy of 3 to 5 times is quite large.  I think that the relationship
should be approximately one to one.

My memories of this are faint but many years ago I did something similar
on MVS 3.8.  I used the rmf values and had a good fit in the model I was
trying.  I would suggest that paging would cause an i/o interrupt but not
be included in any performance group rmf service unit value for i/o.
However, paging i/os several times greater than data i/os seems quite high
to me according to my mileage.

There is also something about paging whereby an paging excp is suspended
as long as no other i/o goes to the disk pack the page dataset is on.  I
cannot remember the details as we have a 4381 and a 4381 cannot do that.

You might find further enlightenment by checking the number of i/os to
disk packs and i/os to channels during the period in question.  This
information is in other rmf records.  Then again ...

Doug Fraser                         email: dfraser@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
System Support Manager              phone: (416) 525-9140 ext 3868
Computing and Information Services  fax:   (416) 528-3773
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:45:00 EDT
From:         "Bill Rodatz 656-0264" <RODATZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      HSM

When HSM migrates a data set or backs up a migrated data set, it
imployes it's own data set naming convention so that the name of the
migrated data set or it's backup, has little resemblance to the
original data set name.  For example the data set name
AKSMITH.ISPF.PROFILE when migrated by HSM assumed the name,
HSM.HMIG.T420302.AKSMITH.ISPF.I2272.  The backup name became,
HSM.BACK.T485905.AKSMITH.ISPF.I2272.  HSM retained the first and second
nodes of the original data set.  The third and last nodes of the renamed
data sets are date and time dependent.

Does anyone know if HSM is capable of suppling the original data set
name given only the backup data set name?  I am hoping that there is a
HSM command that can quickly supply this information.

Bill Rodatz
Systems Programmer            Bitnet:    Rodatz@Clemson
Clemson University            Internet:  Rodatz@Clemson.Edu
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:58:37 EDT
From:         Meziani <MEZIANI@FRP8V11.BITNET>
Subject:      IBM 3174 model 1R

Hello,
Does anyone know how can I configure the 3174 (1R) unit in DMKRIO.
This unit is attached to a 9370 host through a BSC line (9600 bauds).
32 terminals (8 * 4) can be connected to this Unit.

Thanks in advance.

MEZIANI@FRP8V11.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:45:47 EST
From:         SOMITCW@VCCSCENT.BITNET
Subject:      Re: IBM and CD ROM

 On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:01:42 CET, GINZLER@AWIIMC12 said:
>READ/VM, READ/2, books on CD-ROMs are wonderful things, no doubt, but:
>1.Can you print books or parts of books (not via screencopy!!)
>2.I want to include some quotations in our local handbooks,
>how can I do that?

    We are running MVS/XA 2.2.3 and are considering converting
 to MVS/ESA version 4.  The main selling point of converting is
 getting rid of our manual library.  We now get from zero to
 about 20 copies of some manuals and TNL's and it takes a
 great deal of time to keep track of it.  With READ/MVS, our
 local IBM office has assured us that we can print any manual
 as needed.  No copies if we need no copies or 10,000 copies
 if we need 10,000 copies.  The manuals on tape ( we already
 have some ) include a permission to copy notice.
 The way I read it, it says that we are licensed to copy and
 print part or all of any of the manuals with restrictions:
    1. Must be for our organization.
    2. Must not send the copies/listings out of the country.
    3. Must include the 'permission to copy notice' with them.
    4. Must not include parts of IBM manuals in users' manuals.
 and other small print.  As always, see your mouth-piece for
 legal advice, not me.

    The manuals that we will need will take over 1/2 of a
 single density 3380 volume and IBM is still announcing
 new manuals to go to CD-ROM and tape.  For us, disk space
 is cheaper than buying enough CD-ROM readers for 40 locations.
 We probably will end up using both eventually.
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