HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Geraldo
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:50:14 EDT

I've been meaning to post a note about the Geraldo programme for ages.  
Thanks to Brad for letting me see it.  

My reactions:

(1)  Tom made me squirm.  Partly it was the ghastly "disguise" that made 
him look like a refugee Batman villain, the comic kind.  And then he 
opened his mouth....

I hate people who generate negative stereotypes of bi's.

On the other hand, he has built his own hell.  By deception, and mostly 
by cowardice, he has locked himself into a world where he lives without 
respecting his wife, finds no love in his mechanical affairs, lives in 
fear of disease, discovery and defamation....

And all for no reason.  All he'd need to do is stop being scared of life 
and he'd be okay.

(2) I fell madly in love with Charles and Janice.  Some people you are 
proud to share an orientation with.  Thanks for everything you said!  
Yeah, *some* of us are intelligent, decent human beings!

(3) Loraine didn't have much chance to say anything - G eraldo kept 
cutting her off to speak to Tom or Jane.  Lorraine being the one with the 
expertise, I was disappointed not to hear a little more of her insight 
(whether I would agree with it or not).  I was interested in her line: 
there is no homosexuality, heterosexuality or bisexuality, only 
sexuality.... at first it sounded wrong. THen the more I thought about it 
the more it made sense.  I'm still calling myself bi, though.  (Sexual 
too, I guess!)

(4)  I was am used by the line "mainstream gay community".  THings have 
changed in a few decades!  Hooray!

(5) Marie was embarrassing; one can't help feeling sympathy, but the 
problem was not that her husband was bi, the problem was that her husband 
was unfaithful and gave her AIDS.  Another deception.  Too many subjects 
thrown into one pot.

(6)  Geraldo seemed pretty arbitrary about what the subject *was*.  He's 
a ditz!  NO wonder I never watch that show.

(7) Loved the bits about "what sexual orientation are you encouraging in 
your children". What a stupid question.  After all the interviews Geraldo 
has done, he can't come up with something better than that?

Namaste and hugs to everybody,
Elizabeth
From: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: public reactions
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:53:09 GMT
Reply-To: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu
Organization: Nihilists for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1bcuvcINN7dh@agate.berkeley.edu> jcripe@garnet.berkeley.edu (Janice E. Cripe) writes:
>
>Then I wore the shirt on a trip to LA.  On the way, we stopped
>at a rest stop and I stayed in the car while my husband was
>using the facilities. The guy who was cleaning out the garbage
>cans walked by the car.  I didn't realize that one could read
>the shirt through the windshield until he looked straight at
>me and _crossed himself_!  That was a big surprise, but also
>a bit amusing.  It's not like the shirt said "Nobody Knows
>I'm the Devil". 

Hey, now there's a thought.  Time to make a trip to a custom
T-shirt store.  Should make my next trip into South Philly
*ever* so much more interesting...

BTW:  Hi folks.  I'm back.  Bad pennies, bills, UTIs and all that...

------------Nathan J. Mehl---------------(nmehl@pennsas.upenn.edu)------
It's the little touches that make a future solid enough to be destroyed.
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From: atmpas@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet Another Demuffining(sp?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:54:14 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1bbhroINN127@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau) writes:
> 
> Thanks.  Its nice to feel welcomed.  So far since posting I've been *hugged*  
> *kissed* *grined* *pounced* and *slurped*.  I love all this attention.
> Hmm.. maybe I'll get another account under a different name and demuffin
> myself again.  That way I could get twice the attention and affection.
> 
> -- Robert

	It's quite acceptable around here simply to _ask_ for such attention
rather than use such subterfuge.  Why you would want a repeat of being grined -
it sounds painful! - is beyond me, but how about 

	*ruffle hair*
	*hug*
	*grab*
	*pick up*
	*carry off*

	(shortly followed by *drop*  *collapse* and *seek medical assistance*
given my skinnyness)
	
	Thinks:  Grine, verb transitive.  How about 'to hug in an enegetic and
passionate fashion, liable to cause bruises, friction burns and in extreme
cases cracked ribs.  Pleasureable when engaged in with plenty of padding.'


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Never been lonely, never been lied to, never had to scuffle in fear, nothing
denied to; born at the instant church bells chime, the whole world whispering:
			Born at the right time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

		- Paul
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@ninja.osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: New bi newsletter
Originator: alan@pluto.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:23:25 GMT

[Sent to soc.bi, BiAct-L, Bisexu-l, BiFem-l.]

CUBN has decided that their newsletter is good enough to let people
outside their community know about it.

| "The Bi Monthly" newsletter, published monthly by the Champaign-Urbana
| Bisexual Network, c/o McKinely Foundation, 809 South Fifth Street,
| Illinois 61820, USA.  1-year subscription (10 issues) US (US with
| valid University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign campus mail address.)

maso@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Maria Maso) writes:
> In each issue I try to include informative articles,
> local as well as national news, a book or film review, poetry, gossip
> (there is a local woman that writes a gossip column) and if we can get
> our act together an advice column.  We also include write ups of the
> discussion, a calendar of events, and a directory of local as well as
> nation bi/ bi friendly groups.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:24:10 GMT

In article <2ad078bb@ThreeL.co.uk> adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:
:
:*pop!*  ...another muffin appears.
:
:Hello everyone.  I've been lurking here for quite a while, but since I'm
:about to temporarily leave Edinburgh and pop up in the Bay Area I
:thought I'd stick my head above the parapet to see if anyone
:wanted to meet up while I was over there.

Hey Alan!  I almost missed you there - was about to 'c' 200 messages
when I had a quick check for 'edin' first...

*welcoming hug*

G
PS Cries of 'Oh God, not Toal' not appreciated :)
--
From: rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Yet Another Demuffining(sp?)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 06:04:01 GMT
Organization: Bad Spellers Who Are Too Lazy To Look Up Words
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


	Well some people might be getting sick of demuffinings (last
time i'm going to use that word because i'm not 100% sure i'm spelling
it right, and it bothers me to be mispelling words in front of people
I don't really know, even though it doesn't bother me to be discussing
my sexuality).  I thought it would be best to officially introduce 
myself that way I'll feel more comfortable about replying in posts.

I'm BiSexual [what a shock on this newsgroup 8^) ]

	Well at least right now i'm bisexual.  I have really known
that i'm bisexual off and on since I was 13.  There were periods
when I thought I might be homosexual trying to deny it by also 
being attracted to females, but that was mainly before I discovered
that there was such a thing as bisexuality (something that reading
this group has helped with, so thanks to everyone who has ever posted).
	The only other time I have really told anyone that I was 
bisexual was during a Truth-Or-Dare game that was being played in the 
middle of a coffee shop on campus after a GLB sponsered event.  I was
playing with a group of queer/supportive people and took a dare, it 
ended up that I had to stand up on the table and reach into another
guys pants.  It was only after I had done this that anyone bothered to
ask if I was queer.  Interestingly there were several straight people
in the coffee shop that I know (not really well) and they have never
once mentioned this to me.
	Well I'll let everyone get back to other topics.  If anyone
wants to talk about anything just send me a letter, I enjoy talking
with people and have plenty of time to reply.

		Hugs (in the tradition of soc.bi),

					Robert

I have no .sig and plan to keep it that way.  But if I did have one, 
I would probably use it to bitch and moan about how the University
just took away our right to change our names and that my full name
was displayed above instead of some witty saying or cool nickname.
rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu(Why do they have to show my middle name too??)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: being "in love"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:17:20 GMT

In article <1ati1rINNm9c@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> ... telling my parents
>wouldn't have been helpful ... Of course now, seeing as how I'm poly they
>can claim that I don't really love my MSO, because I'm involved with another
>person (my FSO) (I wouldn't even _THINK_ of telling them about my LD D/s
>relationship).
>
>I generally just avoid the mess and don't tell them :).

Here's a question I've been struggling with.  I'm out to my younger
sister, but not to my older--no big deal, just haven't gotten around
to telling her, yet.  (We don't talk much.)  I'm not out to my mother.
Should I be?

Once I have an FSO, I will, but, until then, is there a point?  I've
always considered my sex life to be my business, and not hers.  She's
always preferred that I not have one, but reared me to make my own
decisions, and so stays out of it.

I think I was pretty lucky in my choice of friends--no one I've told
has even blinked--helps that many of them have alternate orientations,
anyway, I suppose.  My MSO is the only one who had trouble with the
idea, and he seems to have gotten over it.  (*GRIN*--notice how I
oh-so-quietly slipped that weekend reference in there.)

So, what's my obligation, here?  Have I a moral duty to advance the
cause?  And would coming out to my mother, in fact, have that effect??

Eleanor (frequently Piglet out of habit, and still small and of squeaky voice)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Kilroy
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:51:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.090411.2253@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.170216.26906@aisb.ed.ac.uk>, bethand@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>> 
>> For those of you not in the know, there will be a 'Kilroy' on
>> bisexuality tomorrow morning (Tues 13th), and some of us net.persons
>> will be on it. Well, its a free trip to London, innit..?
>> 
>
> Aak! Tomorrow? Yesterday, by the time this newsfeed has sorted itself out..
>Gah! Gah! Gah! Has anyone, by some chance, got a copy of this they could lend?
>I'd be *eternally* grateful..

Aak! Tomorrow? Day-before-yesterday, by the time I get around to
reading my soc.bi backlog. Sob.

I'd like to see the videotape, too, if only because I've seen some
photos of soc.bi people now, and met Dave Berry in person.

Thinks: If Fenthe wants to see it too, this could be the opportunity
for us to meet? Plan, scheme, plan, and scheme again...

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: two men (was: two women)
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:51:03 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>->>him sexually (not to mention lesbians, and wouldn't we all just _love_ to
>->>convert a lesbian? *groan*), whereas in the case of this woman, her motives

Oh but I have :-) <smirk>

Iseult.
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: two men (was: two women)
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:02:22 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) wrote...
>Well, that may be the way your friend feels, but if *I* was in bed with
>two men (which is a fantasy of mine...actually, most of my fantasies
>involve *more* than two other people...*GRIN*), I would definitely
>expect *them* to be pleasing *me*.  
>Otherwise, why bother?

Well I can think of a reason, but I have a voyeur streak when it
comes to two men together..<reel, reel goes the mind>.

>I object to either of the two scenarios expressed above, both of which
>boil down to women pleasing men.  
Agreed.

>I prefer groups in which *everyone*
>pleases *everyone*.  

Not a bad thought but that's not _always_ what everyone wants...

Ellen
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:25:59 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <iw.718911304@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>wobble stage ( based on my theory of the male erection having four stages:
>squidge, weeble, wobble and the big fella).

Surely not as in 'weebles wobble then they all fall down!'?!

G
--
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Two women please
Date: 17 Oct 1992 03:00:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <andreaf.719282481@bonnie> andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:
->This is a test, this is only a test.  Send some fluffies my way, please!
->
->*HUGS* *RUBrubrub* *lick*

*fluffies* *hugs* *rubs* *nibbles* and so on ...

Oh, Iseult !! I think we've found a friend for you :)

-roy


-- 
Roy S. Rapoport           rsr@soda.berkeley.edu            rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
                   The few.  The proud.  The geeks.
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:57:18 GMT

In <1bmcbkINNp83@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu
(Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>->>What's the emphasis on the 'strap-on' for? Why do they need to be strapped
>->>on?
>->
>->You need to strap them dildos to something solid so that you don't lose
>->them! <*slurp*>
>
>That is _not_ funny, Ciaran!!
>
>OK, well, it is ... it's just that a friend of mine told me about the time
>he was masturbating with a vibrator and did, well, sort of lose it ...
>Apparently it took over an hour for the batteries to die down, and about 24
>hours to get it out ... right before he decided to go to the hospital.

When choosing a vibrator or dildo, it is advisable to get one which has
some sort of wide base on it (replica balls will do fine) to prevent
exactly this from happening. Another solution is to use something which
is too long to get lost (I usually borrow a pool cue from Graham:-). If
you _do_ lose one up the butt then don't feel embarrassed going to the
hospital emergency room---it it a much more common condition than you
think.

Or maybe I should just say "Don't try this at home, kids." :-)


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: wa137@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (john e. clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Two women please
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:43:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct14.124615.203108@uctvax.uct.ac.za> krgjus01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
+I have always fantasised about having sex with two lesbians at once as I
+think it must be the most amazing experience imaginable. 

I think one needs a great amount of moral fortitude to mount a
sexual experience with more than one partner, although rosy palm
and her gender inspecific sibilings don't count(well maybe not). I
think that working out in a gym for some period of time would
probably build up that flabby muscle tone, and who knows you might
meet some great guys to share your fantasies with, maybe they'll
share back.(Oh oops you did say lezbos didn't you, well, darn for you,
gratuitous sex is more common among males). Anyway, physcial build
up is a prerequisit for either gender.

Now, on top of just the physical is the mental, since men peter out
rather quickly, and those darn lezbos just keep going, sort of like
the EverReady Battery ad campaign. You'll have to develop you sexual
mind control to it's ultimate limit. Not easy for folks who wack off
in 30 seconds in front of 'Penthouse' while on the pot.

Now that you've spend some 3-4 years becoming a 'black-belt' in
sexual congress, you come to your most difficult hurtle, finding
those darn lezbos. They for some reason, which is usually lost on
the masses, don't particularly advertize on all the straight places.
So one has to search out these recluses, and quite possibly never
find them. However, some in trepid explorers have found devious ways
to infiltrate the citadels of Lesbonia, and with modern sex change
techniques a passport to 'heaven' is almost assured, albeit with a
'small' price.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Muffins?
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:07:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Oct16.170738.2286
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Oct15.174654.283@lincoln.ac.nz>, adden@lincoln.ac.nz writes:
> Hello Possums..... What the hell are Muffins, I know the eating kind. But some

 Heh.. I'll be very surprised indeed if someone else hasn't beaten me to this,
what with the way news is going hereabouts of late; but, just in case (and to
keep the fluffyness level of soc.bi well and truly up where it should be);
 A muffin is someone who reads a group, but hasn't posted to it. Thus, what you
were before you posted..

 And, I think that deuffining seems cause for plenty of

 **hugs,snuggles,and fluffy things until you can't take no more**

> *HUGS* & *LICKERS*

 Yay! Someone who's got into the spirit of the group /already/! 
  
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: for play
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:01:00
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 12 Oct 92 01:21:14 GMT

In article <26778@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>>huh! I masturbate as well as the next person |-)

>Okay, a challenge.  The soc.bi self-pleasing marathon.

Umm...Mike?  I'm a little handicapped here - I've got repetitive motion
syndrome, and when I masturbate more than 5-6 times, my wrist hurts
quite a bit.  Can I use mechanical devices?

*grin*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm back, I'm back, I'm back!
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:51:53 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:

>After a year's absence, I announce my return to the virtual world.
>Virtual champagne to everybody!  I'll post some more once I've managed to

PAUL!  YO!!  Get some real shampers, I'll help you drink it ...

>Did anyone catch the "Kilroy" program this morning?  I thought we did rather
>well except that it would have been a good idea to let the opposition get
>a word in edgeways.  Kelly (the woman with the sun-like necklace) was 
>particularly strong and a lot of important stuff was got across.  

Sure did ... didn't see you tho!

>Anyway, a *hug* to all you wonderful people out there.

Reciprocated ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Yay!
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:46:19 GMT

h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

>>I love
>>the soft downy hair that most women have around their mouths.

>My first woman lover was a surprise that way.  I hadn't thought about the
>difference in the way male and female faces feel.  And it isn't just the
>hair, some men have very little facial hair, and some of us women are -er-
>on the way to being bears.  But it's the texture of the skin, that nice
>cushy layer of fat women have beneath their skin.
>  

Yeah, thats a good point too.  I like chewing mens faces (yes I am an 
ogress), but because womens faces are much softer, I don't have the
same desire to chew their faces.

Iseult.
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:36:46 GMT


Hi, folks, I don't often pop up here...

Sorry, news more than usually smashed, but:

Terry Heatlie - Sun U.K. asks for the characters for:

> Tao Te Ching
> Lao Tzu

Well, sorry, I can't sketch them in ASCII :-) but the
characters mean, v. roughly:

WAY VIRTUE CLASSIC
OLD MASTER

Incidentally, this is *the* most difficult classical
Chinese text there is, and if you can make anything of it
in the original...  Well, as the saying goes, if you think
you understand it, you don't.  Which is one way of
understanding the first sentence.

--John

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Organization: Rational
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:53:59 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:


>Taught me one lesson: If I ever use a vibrator, I'll tie a string to it :)

As they say in good vibes, always use a vibrator with a flared base for 
penetration.  Seems like it is excellent advice!

Iseult.
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Kilroy
Keywords: masochism
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:36:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <1992Oct12.170216.26906@aisb.ed.ac.uk> bethand@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>For those of you not in the know, there will be a 'Kilroy' on
>bisexuality tomorrow morning (Tues 13th), and some of us net.persons
>will be on it. Well, its a free trip to London, innit..?

Where what when who why how ARGH!!!!!!!  *Now* they tell me.

Anyone going to be around longer than the morning?

G (in London, always the last to know... I've obviously been away
too long.  btw hi & hugs to the boatload of new muffins who've
arrived while I've been <otherwise engaged>...)
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi