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From: dpc2@po.CWRU.Edu (David P. Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: When the ball hit the body
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: dpc2@po.CWRU.Edu (David P. Caldwell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) says:

>No, what you can't hit (or even touch) is the net.  The only
>restriction, I think, is that the ball bounces at most once in play
>(within the court's boundaries), how you choose to return it is your
>choice.  You can use your knee, head, baseball bat, frying pan, etc.,
>without making one iota of difference.  You may not get many balls
>returned using something other than a tennis racket, but the
>alternatives are legal.

     This is not even close.  You are not allowed to touch the ball with
any part of your body before or after the ball contacts the racquet (with
the exception of the toss on the serve) or in lieu of striking the ball
with the racquet.  Where are you getting your information?

...Babbitt
-- 
David Caldwell (Babbitt on IRC)  E-mail:  CALDWELL@CWBIO.BIOC.CWRU.EDU)
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:48:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>Of course! But tennis players retire ~30 yrs old. What do you do after
>that?
>
Become anounncers.

Seriously, I remember seeing an article on Kathy Horwath (her claim to fame
was beating Martina at the French Open - I don;t know what year).  She used
her earnings from the tour to pay for college.
-- 

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From: voss@i40s16.ira.uka.de (Stefan Voss)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: doubles tips ?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <78342@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4855a@prism.gatech.EDU (David Zobel) writes:
|> Hey tennis lovers, I need some advice.  I've been playing tennis for a few 
|> years recreationally and have just this year joined an ALTA team.  The team
|> is level C4.  Anyway, I've mainly played singles all this time, and have
|> VERY limited doubles experience.  I would GREATLY appreciate any doubles advice,
|> especially where to stand on the court at what times.  For example, if my
|> partner hits a good serve and comes in to the net, should I drop back ?

No, don't drop back to the base line. The winning strategy for doubles is fairly
simple: *Both* players should get a position at the net as soon as possible.

|> More importantly, where at the net should I play, and when should I move
|> more towards the middle?  [next sentence deleted]

Hmm, that's difficult. I would say: Move towards the middle if you see a chance
to reach the ball there. (Sorry, I can't be more specific, because this depends
on the actual match situation and on your experience.)

|>   I have a decent, but inconsistent serve.  I have a good, and vastly
|> improved forehand, my backhand is weak and inconsistent, and my net play is
|> inexperienced.  Basically you typical weekend warrior who knows how to put
|> top-spin and slice on his forehand, but not much else.  Thanks in advance.

O.K., here are some tips (feel free to add some):
1. Move to the net as soon as possible. If your partner is serving and is going
   to move to the net after the serve, your position should already be at the net.
2. Always be on the same position as your partner. Try to avoid a situation 
   where one player is at the net and the partner is at the base line.
3. If you are not sure where to play the ball (cross, middle or long line), go
   for the middle. The area between two doubles player is the weakest point.
4. Try to have your *first* serve in the field as often as you can. A consistent
   serve with some spin and a quick move to the net is going to give more
   advantage than a "cannonball" serve.   

|> -- 
|> Name           : David "Z-Man" Zobel   Call-Sign: gt4855a@prism.gatech.edu
|> Pre-occupation : Computer Science student at Georgia Tech
|> Trite Saying   : "The Vogon ships hung in the air in the same
|>                   way that bricks don't" -D. Adams

Stefan Voss
(voss@ira.uka.de)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: McEnroe/Tatum O'Neal
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 DEC 92 02:09:07 GMT

In a previous article, wendyg@skeptic.demon.co.uk ("Wendy M. Grossman") wrote:
>The London Evening Standard today reported that they are splitting up.
> 
Pardon my asking, but is the LES a respected publication? UK tabloids
have become somewhat legendary, especially in tennis circles.

-		
Bart "Webb" Tilney	
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
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From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.232341.11697@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
>
>In article <18432@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi) writes:
>>
>>Sampras did **NOT** play college tennis at Stanfurd.  He didn't complete
>>high school last time I heard.  There was an interesting article in the
>
>That's what I thought, the guys from Stanford I think were MacEnroe 
>and Connors (I doubt if either of them completed the program).
>---
>arijit

I am wondering what is so hot about this Stanfurd. Is it a Californian
tennis school? Are there any pro tennis players who graduated from Cornell,
Princeton, or Harvard? 

The pro players obviously feel that life is too short and they should
play hard and earn more. I don't think the first pro on the tour with a
Ph.D. will appear until 3000, when human life span approaches 200yrs.

Frank

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From: marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dave Walker)
Subject: Re: Monica's Prime??
Organization: U of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:33:53 GMT

One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far in this discussion, and    
something that could have a big effect on her game next year, is
that towards the end of this year Seles developed what could
be considered a "big serve", at least on first serves anyway.  She,
I believe, had the fastest serves among the women at the US Open,
for instance.

She's greatly improved what had been considered one of the main
weaknesses in her game.

---
Dave Walker, Scummy Sticky Stuff, Inc.                                 
marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu            "cheddar and cheez is for meez"  
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From: stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein)
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:34:36 GMT

I just thought I'd add that Alex O'Brien and Stanford did win the 1992 NCAA
Tennis Championships.  I think he might also have won doubles.  Lisa Raymond
and Florida won the women's title.
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: McEnroe
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:42:55 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@feedback.eng.umd.edu


    I just saw McEnroe and his wife Tatum O'Neal on the cover
of People magazine.   For non-Americans and non-Canadians, People
is sort of an entertainment/gossip magazine and features what
movie stars  or other celebrities have done in the past week.
This concerns the marital problems between Mac and Tatum.  I
haven't read it myself.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: What about Agassi??
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:12:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec18.042143.2622@ultb.isc.rit.edu> tak0430@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Hey...I wanna hear something about Andre Agassi!!!  
>He's my idol!!  I know he's going up and down.... but that's life!!
>
>Indy Jones
>TAK0430@ritvax


And people don't want *me* talking about Becker! Shheeesshh.


                                              From a diehard Becker fan.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: When the ball hit the body
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:27:21 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <88749@bcsaic.boeing.com> huang@bcsaic.boeing.com (Mingyuh Huang) writes:
>The interesting thing was both my opponents argued that because the body (of
>the person who got hit) was in the motion of hitting the ball therefore,
>according to the rules, they should get the point.
>
>/Huang

:-) I think your friends are watching too much of NFL football.
---
arijit
From: probal@brushfire.rutgers.edu (Probal Kumar Bhattacharjya)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Funny Coincidence
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:25:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

To add to these funnny coincidences ...
	
	1. Both Becker and Stich lost to US players (Agassi and Courier
		respectively) in French'91 semis.

	2. Both lost to US players (Agassi and Sampras res.) in 
		Wimbledon'92 quarters.
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From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: ESPN tennis
Originator: tim@mercury
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.025202.5503@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

>    As a side note, it seems that Stich's English is quite good.   I first
>noticed it when he won Wimbledon, but he seems even better now, speaking
>almost accentless English (except that he pronounces Stefan's name more like
>Schtefan).

Do you really think that people in Sweden pronounce the name "Stefan
Edberg" the way Americans do...? Stop dreaming... And what about the
way the people at ESPN pronounce "Michael Stich"...?!

Tim
From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Grand Slam cup - choice of surface
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:32:59 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


In article <1992Dec15.213347.28570@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>Yeah, from now on, the Grand Slam cup should be played outdoors
>on some grass court on the Alps near Munich in December. :-)
>-- 
>-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135

Actually my original intent of bringing up the topic of a fair surface 
for players from different surfaces is because we do have the most control
of the nature of synthetic surfaces (carpet), so why can't reserarch by 
chemists (or scientists in general) produce a surface that would not
be too unfair to players from any type of playing surface. This surface 
would negate some of the plus from a player on carpet but would 
add some to a clay court player. It would also have some of the uneven 
bounce of grass and let an volleyer do his/her thing.
----
arijit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: cs3ea3ai@maccs.mcmaster.ca (ZOO Network)
Subject: Re: ESPN tennis
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.214720.20477@actrix.gen.nz> Kent.Nelson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>I've just started watching ESPN, in particular the tennis. Doesn't Mary Carillo
>murmuring during points bug people? She whispers in this really low voice, and
>can't understand a word she says. It's really irritating, and its when I go to
>turn the volume up that the crowd cheers really loudly.
>Bugs the shit out of me.

Yes, but consider the alternative ... Bud Collins blabbering throughout the
entire match about his pant collection.  I watched some of the coverage and
was impressed that 'Fiery' Fred Stolle actually stopped talking during the
points.  You don't hear that often.  I'd take Fred over Bud and his pathetic
antics anyday.

Mark Cheers.


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From: steveho@panix.com (Steve Ho)
Subject: ETA Calendar/Schedule
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:53:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


	Hi.  I am trying to acquire a calender that contains
a listing of future ETA tourneys in the New York vicinity.  
Does something like this exist?  If so, how can I get a copy?

adTHANKSvance
From: gonzo@ntb.apple.com (Ed Rotberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Anybody know roster for Volvo Tourny S.F. 2/1/93-2/7/93??
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:14:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Does anybody know who has committed to playing in the Volvo Tennis
Tourny in San Francisco February 1-7th.  I've got a 4 session series
ticvket package but I havne't seen any info on who's supposed to play.

Courrier took over the #1 ranking at this tournament last year.

Thanks for any info.

 - Ed -
 
Ed Rotberg                 "Just remember...
Professor of Gonzo          a waist is a terrible
Apple Computer, Inc.        thing to mind"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: snewstea@zeus (S.A. Newstead)
Subject: Spoiler: Stich/Krajicek
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:16:00 GMT

Just watched most of this match.  Stich wins, first set was a tie-break,
second set I believe was 7-5 (I got out of the shower and it was over!)
Perhaps some one else can give the full score.  Those Germans and their
*damn* 'rhythmic clapping'!  Has Karjicek beat any top 5 players to date?
He had some moments of veritable brilliance, and was close the entire match.
he just fell apart at the end, I assume due to lack of experience.
A real pleasure to watch though.  I look forward to seeing him in the majors
next year!
Woody.
From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Position On The Tennis Court
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:54:12 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: twromero@dali.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


In article <1992Dec15.022102.26686@eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1812@idacrd.UUCP>, babyface@idacrd.UUCP (Lewis E. Jones) writes:
|> >Position yourself on the Tennis Court is very important. 
|> >Knowing where your opponent shot will land before hand. 
|> >This is like chess, knowing were to move and when to move.
|> >This depends on placement of your shots into your opponent
|> >court. Mixing up shots as well as placement creates position
|> >on the court.
|> >

     These are simply cliche! Too general to be of any use. It's like    
     the politicians who say alot without really saying anything!




|> 
|>    This is nice advice, but one that doesn't easily translate to the
|> court.   Even if I know where my opponent is hitting, if I don't get
|> there, it doesn't matter.   I can try to hit shots that will make his/her
|> choice of shots more predicatable.   You might want to say that you
|> should always stand in the middle of the court.   Or that you should
|> stand in such a way as to divide the court more or less in half
|> if you drew a line from you to your opponent.  Or that if you get
|> a lob over someone's head, you ought to come in.   Or that you
|> should alternate topspins and slices in hopes that differing height
|> balls will disturb your opponent.
|> 
|>    Or that you should drop shot when your opponent is deep behind the
|> baseline, or lob after the first volley if your opponent has closed in
|> tight, or aim to the backhand on the second serve if your opponent's
|> backhand is weak.   Being more specific as to how you should carry
|> out your advice is probably more useful to a player.
|> 
|> --
|> Charles Lin
|> clin@eng.umd.edu


   Well said, Charles!

- Michael Lin

  McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
  twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU
From: kcy@meaddata.com (Cheong Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: grunting rule
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:15:48 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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In article <1992Dec16.201058.5726@cs.wisc.edu>, solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.130614.90943@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
|> >The grunting, or in Monica's case, the two-toned high pitch squeal, disguises
|> >the sound the ball makes coming off the racquet.  Many players listen for that
|> >sound to know how hard the ball was hit.  That was Martina's problem with one
|> >of Seles shots this year.  Monica hit a drop shot, but because Martina
|> >couldn't hear the sound of the ball off the racquet because of Monica's
|> >squeal, Martina thought the ball was harder hit than it actually was.  Since
|> >Monica's squeal is the same volume not matter how hard she hits the ball
|> >(unlike grunters who get louder only when the ball is hit harder), it does
|> >distract her opponent.
|> >
|> >Monica seems to be trying to get it under control.
|> >  
|> >-- 
|>      Actually this is interesting. I've heard this opinion on TV,
|> but I didn't take it seriously. I thought of it rather as of another
|> reporter's speculation. I think I rely more on the motion of the opponent
|> to tell how hard he hits the ball , what is the spin, etc.
|> Of course, I've never played against somebody as loud as Monica,
|> but somehow I find it difficult to imagine that one can't tell how
|> hard the ball is coming at him.
|>      What do other tennis players think ?
|> Michael.

I can see both sides of the arguments.  If a person is a professional
tennis player, he/she should be able ignore such distractions and
concentrate on cues other than the sound coming off the racket.

But one basic strategy at all levels of tennis is to disguise your
shots.  For example, you should not toss the ball a different way on
your serve because you're hitting a flat, topspin or a slice serve.
Similarly, you should hit a lob with the same preparation as you would
a normal groundstroke.  These are legitimate ways to disguise your
shots and confuse your opponents.  Obviously, it would be ridiculous
to require my opponent to give me a hint on whether he is going to lob
or hit a passing shot while I'm up at the net.  So is it proper to
require someone to allow their opponent to hear the ball coming off
the racket?

I think the difference is that no one has used grunting as a method to
disguise a shot before, so people are complaining that's unfair.  But
IMHO, I don't think Seles is intentionally using her grunts to confuse
her opponents.

-- 
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: CHANG-IVANISEVIC RESULT
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:56:26 GMT

In article <62805@mimsy.umd.edu> dklee@cs.umd.edu (Dennis Lee) writes:
# 
# This is the first time I've watched Goran play isince the Wimbledon final
# this year.  He displayed very poor gamesmanship by throwing his racket on
# to the court several times.  He was finally penalized during the 8th
# game of the fifth set when he was trying to break Chang's serve.

Seventh game, I think.  It ought to be noted that this outburst was brought
on by what looked on TV at least to be a terrible call against Ivanisevic.
That said, he still played like someone had been feeding him hamburgers.

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From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Summary: Haven't you left out a big intellectual ?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:51:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.163205.28927@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>
>Education aside, the players who are considered cerebral include: McEnroe,
>Becker, Chang, & Hlasek, on the men's side.  Wilander was also supposed to
>be intellectual.
>
>M. Liu

What about Ivan Lendl ??? He is highly intelligent, especially in
interviews when you see how clear, concise and logical his insights into
the game and life in general are. He speaks 6 languages fluently, does the
Rubik's cube in under 2 minutes, and is apparently very fluent with mathematics.
He's also meant to be a very good business man, and a good chess player (his
father was a Grandmaster in Czechoslovakia).
I'd certainly consider him more intelligent than most of the above
players. He was the one who pioneered a tennis system that beat the
world for years. That credit of course has to be given to McEnroe as
well of course for his system.

Paul

P.S.

Ok, so I'm a Lendl fan :-)
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From: mliu@ucsb.edu (Mei-Ling Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Borg and his Wimbledon Victories
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

Thought I would share this rather well-written paragraph on Borg,
Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, and other greats:

No one was disputing that Borg was a great player but what was he
doing winning Wimbledon year after year with a volley that was never in
the same league as Hoad's or Laver's or Newcombe's?  Well, in a sense,
Borg got lucky.  Just as Ivan Lendl would prove to be over the years
1984-87, Borg was the most durable winner of his era.  But, unlike
Ivan, Borg came along at a moment when Laver and Newcombe had just
faded from the scene and McEnroe had not quite arrived.  A window opened
up as far as serve and volley grass-court experts of the highest
calibre were concerned and Borg jumped right through it.  Lendl,
on the other hand, keeps getting beaten at Wimbledon -- and used to in
the Australian Open, while it was played on grass at Kooyong -- 
because either Becker or Cash or Edberg can expose his limitations
on the volley.  They are natural volleyers, Lendl is not.  Yet, along
with McEnroe who was to give Borg so much trouble once he reached his 
peak, all three are a class above Tanner or anyone else Borg had
to face in his Wimbledon winning years.

  From the book "OPEN TENNIS 1968-1988" by Richard Evans, The Stephen
Greene Press.

M. Liu
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Seasons greetings
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 02:26:02 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu


    I won't be posting too much over the next two weeks or so since I
will be out for the holidays.  If I manage to figure out Pnews, I may
post here and there.   For whom it may concern, have a happy holiday 
season.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: McEnroe
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 DEC 92 22:30:59 GMT

In a previous article, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) wrote:
> 
>    I just saw McEnroe and his wife Tatum O'Neal on the cover
>of People magazine. 
>This concerns the marital problems between Mac and Tatum.  I
>haven't read it myself.

You might want to check out the latest Sports Illustrated. There's a 
short article about the Davis Cup win and McEnroe's involvement, but it
also touches on Mac's marital problems. Apparently JM won't elaborate much
more than to acknowlege that he and Tatum have been having difficulties.

-		
Bart "Webb" Tilney	
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu