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From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Alaska to shoot hundreds of wolves from airplanes
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:29:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
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I heard on the news just this week, that the Governor of Alaska halted this 
killing to hear more about it from the Animal Rights people.  

So no worries mate, I think they have been saved.  Enought people really do care.

Kathie  ;.)
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: The Wolf Summit
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:17:53 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <1992Dec20.095134.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asatj@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>Hi All-
>
>  Thought I had better clear up a few things.
> 
>  First, yes the wolf hunt as proposed by the Alaska Department of Fish and
>Game has been posponed by Governor Hickel.

I don't see where it has been postponed.  It wasn't scheduled to start
until spring, and still isn't.  Hickel just scheduled his summit before
the program is to begin.  He might call it postponed, but I'd call that
a play on words.

>Alliance (to which I belong), unless the hunt is called off by the Board of
>Game for 1993 and the meeting is moved to Anchorage (if Fairbanks is
>experiencing one of its cold snaps - that is, below -25 degrees Fahrenheit - it
>becomes illegal to fly aircraft and therefore, no one will be at the meeting). 

I would be the last person to disagree that holding such a meeting in
Fairbanks in January is anything but a joke.  BUT... lets not get too
carried away with the tall tales.  There is no temperature restriction
on flying.  What do you really think the temperature is at 36,000 feet
when you fly a jet from Anchorage to Seattle?  25 below is nothing.
At least not to the airplane.

Other than that I don't have any major problem with what the rest of
the article said.  My opinion is different in many areas, but...

Floyd
-- 
floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: charvey@teal.csn.org (Chip Harvey)
Subject: Re: Alaska to shoot hundreds of wolves from airplanes
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:58:54 GMT

1) I trust Walter about as far as I can spit.

2) He proposed a conference for parties opposed to his original policy---
   predominantly from the lower 48---in mid January in Fairbanks???  Sounds
   like a joke!

3) To my knowledge he has only temporarily halted the implementation of his
   plan.

4) Even if his ban is permanent, doesn't this just apply to non-ADFG
   hunters, i.e. isn't it possible he will still send Department personnel
   to destroy radio-collared wolves and their packs?
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: asspk@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Alaskan Wolves by: an Alaskan
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:06:58 GMT

  Walter Hickel....ACK!!!!
  Yes, folks he has scheduled a confrence, but most of the people invited are
those who voted to kill them in the first place and the quotes I'vs heard from
them indicate that they still belive the animals should be shoot since no news
testimony agianst it has come up other than public pressure....
  As far as the invite to ship them down to the lower 48....That seems like a
somewhat fair comprimise to me, if they can actually work it out....
  Meanwhile, we all try to recall our Govenor once agian......
 
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| asspk@acad2.alaska.edu |  all."-Helen Keller                              |
| Anchorage, Alaska      |*"Big Brother IS Watching."-Any aware human being.|
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: BGAL <BGAL@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Alaskan Wolves by: an Alaskan
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.130658.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asspk@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>  As far as the invite to ship them down to the lower 48....That seems like a
>somewhat fair comprimise to me, if they can actually work it out....

     I'm no expert on wolves (I may be completely wrong, so _please_
don't flame), but I thought translocation of wolves had a high fatality
rate, once the wolves had been put into new territory?  I'd assume
moving all the Alaskan wolves south would sure confuse the wolves..
I don't know how adaptable they can be, but Alaska's geographical
position gives it seasonal differences, temperature differences, and
game differences.. that quite a lot for wolves to re-adapt to.

     In any case, moving all the wolves away is a form of regional
ecological genocide.  Sure, they're all alive somewhere else, but
they won't be present in the Alaskan ecosystem anymore, of which they
are a natural part.


 Thomas Turrittin     (after Dec.18) dronon@zooid.guild.org
(Dronon Brassmane)    (address changing after Jan.4)
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Water vapour is lighter than air, so it floats up, much
 like a helium balloon will, on a summer's day.  Let me
 demonstrate this principle using some gravel and some
 Corn Flakes."
From: wegeng@xerox.com (Don Wegeng)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Alaska to shoot hundreds of wolves from
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: wegeng@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corp., Henrietta, NY


I think that it's very possible that Walter & Co. hope that by mid-January
the press/public will consider the wolf slaughter to be old news, and not
pay much attention to the final decision.

/Don
wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:40:38 GMT

      As usual, the government is using the 'threat' of anarchy and famine
to justify their unjustifiable operation in Somalia. What are they really
trying to do? Do they want to counter a potential rise in left-wing politics
in the horn of Africa? Do they want to restore an old order in which they can
reap more profits from a wretched land? Do they want to show off their military
power in a dry climate so as to scare the Middle East again and sell more wea-
pons next year? Do they want to intervene before muslims get organized and do
it themselves (apparently a factor in ex-Yugo.)? Just what is the meaning of
'operation restore hope'?

       Hubert.
From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Looking for Anarchism refs to read
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:28:24 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: fab9452@nigel.tamu.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 21:48:40 GMT

In article <FAB9452.92Dec15164840@nigel.tamu.edu> fab9452@nigel.tamu.edu (Allan Bailey) writes:




%     could some post/email a "suggested reading list" about anarchism?
%
%     tnx,
 

1) Anarchy, State, and Utopia. R. Nozick, Basic Books, Inc. 
ISBN 0-465-09720-0 (paperback)

2) Anything you can find by Bakunin.


-sjm


--
Sean J. Merritt		         | "Every revolt is a cry of innocence    
Dept of Physics Boston University|  and an appeal to the essence of being."
merritt@macro.bu.edu             | Albert Camus, The Rebel
From: eastexit@twics.co.jp (Jens Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchism and Somalia Intervention
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:50:18 GMT
Distribution: alt.society.anarchy
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

In Item 492, aaron (vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu) says:

> As someone with an evolving anarchist consciousness, I have been
> perplexed by the recent deployment of troops in Somalia.  For the
> first time in my life, America is engaging in a military action that
> I (cautiously) support.

I agree it's a difficult situation. The problem is, you can look at
it from both a short- and long-term perspective. In the short-term,
I agree, it's hard (after seeing the propaganda photos on TV) to 
have the heart to oppose the U.S. going in an distributing food.

However,  in the long-run things aren't so simple. Even leaving aside
the questions of why the U.S. and U.N. are going into Somalia (actually
we shouldn't leave those questions aside), we need to ask what will
happen in the long-term. There is a great possibility that Somalia
will be in the same situation it is now the day the U.S./U.N.leaves.

I have a vision, which is partly based on seeing too many Hollywood
movies like Robocop, of a world divided between two classes: the
UN "peacekeepers," with the backing (naturally) of the powers of the
world, and the people, who live under their oppression. It seems that
in places like Somalia they are preparing to implement this strategy.

It's important to think of what will happen to the Somalian people's
autonomy. It is true, sure, that they don't have much autonomy now.
But will this action help or hurt? I think you're right to be 
"cautious" about supporting it.

-Jens Wilkinson, Pacific Asia Resource Center, Tokyo
             Box 5250, Tokyo International, Japan
                       fax: 81-3-3291-5901
                      
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:56:42 GMT

In article <L89TVB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, tumidity@netlink.cts.com (Joel Garry) writes:

>anarchy 1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political
>disorder due to the absence of governmtal authority... 2 absence of
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>order.

I would attribute the state of lawlessness or political disorder to a number of
factors, including the balance of power game, the sphere of influence game, the
arms industry, bad land use, aid in guns not butter; and NOT including lack of
government, or anarchy.

>Maybe you need to rename Anarchy, so you don't confuse people that speak
>in English and use dictionaries.  Definition 1c is a utopian state.

Which is no less inaccurate than def's 1a, 1b and 2.  Means freedom from
effective means of being controlled, which is what "archy" is.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

.  someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
				-- Zippy the Pinhead
Xref: sparky alt.society.anarchy:866 alt.society.revolution:578
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Judge U. Not)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Summary: Execution!
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:53:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec14.225323.28356@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes...

>The press, as well as American political leaders of "both" parties seem to have
>reached a consensus that the problem with Somalia is a lack of authority.  In
>fact, they claim that the country is/was in a state of anarchy.  (I'm sure the
>Black flag is still flying over the areas that haven't yet been subdued by
>multinational forces.)  Why aren't we taking them to task on this misuse of
>language?  How do they suppose the country got armed to the teeth, anyway? 
>Permissive upbringing of children, maybe?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This has is an old habit; I believe most of society has absolutely no idea 
what Anarchy really means.  People tend to use the word Anarchy to mean
any type of chaos, disorder, or lack of authority.

JUST TELL THEM THAT ANARCHY IS NOT CHAOS.

That will make them think.  When they are done thinking try feeding them a few
facts.  Be careful at first; most people have let "the experts" think for them
for so long that new ideas may give them migraines.  People can choke on
sound logic it is so alien to what the media/politicians have been feeding us
for years.

Let it be known that any valid anarchy (ie., USENET) is not without structure, 
"rules" and etiquette...not to mention people whining about how've they been
mistreated and deserve compensation.  The key here is that everything is
voluntary.  No government, only rules the users* agree to.  And no one is
stopping anyone from forming a new version of usenet.

* Users means both the entities paying for & maintaining the equipment,
 and the actual posters.  To the extent that a poster's freedom is somewhat
limited, remember the owners of the equipment have established some
volutary rules.  The owners have this right.  You have to the right to agree
to what few rules there are or start your own net.  If the gov't ever 
regulates USENET and/or all other networks, this freedom will evaporate
and big brother will have won another battle with Uncle Anarchy.

This rant is over.  Go in peace.
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
From: tumidity@netlink.cts.com (Joel Garry)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:26:56 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:

> A subject I'm surprised hasn't come up in a.s.a yet...
> The press, as well as American political leaders of "both" parties seem to ha
> reached a consensus that the problem with Somalia is a lack of authority.  In
> fact, they claim that the country is/was in a state of anarchy.  (I'm sure th
> Black flag is still flying over the areas that haven't yet been subdued by
> multinational forces.)  Why aren't we taking them to task on this misuse of
> language?  How do they suppose the country got armed to the teeth, anyway? 
> Permissive upbringing of children, maybe?
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
anarchy 1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political
disorder due to the absence of governmtal authority... 2 absence of
order.

Maybe you need to rename Anarchy, so you don't confuse people that speak
in English and use dictionaries.  Definition 1c is a utopian state.
>  Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.e
> 
> A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose.

So use your other sleeve.

--                    
INTERNET:  tumidity@netlink.cts.com (Joel Garry)
UUCP:   ...!ryptyde!netlink!tumidity
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Suggested @ reading
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <BzDwCq.K87@world.std.com> bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade) writes:
>Left Bank Distribution
>4142 Brooklyn Ave NE
>Seattle WA 98105

This is a cool place.  Red and Black Books in Seattle (right near Pike Place)
is another good one to check.

>Love & Rage
>PO BOX 3
>Prince Street Station
>New York, NY 10012

I have an email address for these guys somewhere.  It's not checked very
often, though.  Ask me for it if you want me to look for it.

>there are many other sources, but this should help you get started. Oh I almost
>forgot, ftp from ftp.css.itd.umich.edu /poli/Resources/radical.address.list
>It might point you to other directions, good luck

ftp.css.itd.umich.edu is no longer a home for my archives.  They got way
too big.  If you connect there you will be informed that red.css.itd.umich.edu
is now the only site (and it's growing fast too, but I'll put another 300Mb
drive on by January).

Paul


Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade)
Subject: Anarchist Gathering
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:30:49 GMT

              MID-ATLANTIC REGIONAL ANARCHIST GATHERING 1993
                             P.O. BOX 31889
                         PHILADELPHIA, PA 19104

Hi, We're organizing a Mid-Atlantic (VA, WV, PA, DC, DE, MD, NJ, NY)
Regional Anarchist Gathering in Philadelphia in the Summer of 1993. We're
planning four days of workshops, networking, music, schmoozing and
cruising. Depending on the availability of space possible dates (all
Fridays through Mondays) are July 16-19, July 23-26, July 30- Aug 2, or
Aug 6-9.

We want to be in touch with as many folks in the region as possible, and
we need your help.

Right now we're compiling a mailing list and looking for financial
support. we'd like to find people willing to be local contacts who can
copy & distribute flyers and posters and generally let other people know
what is going on. We also need people to organize nasty, grungy rock 'n
roll shows and send us the money. Or, if you're in a band who would like
to play a benefit we organize, let us know that, too. Of course if you
can come by cash in any other ingenious ways, feel free to send it along.

Our organizing meetings are on the first Sunday of every month at 12:30
pm at 4722 Baltimore Ave, Philadelphia. for more information, call Wooden
Shoe Books at (215)569-2477.

-Philadelphia Troublemakers and Anarchists (PTA)


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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Anarchism and Somalia Intervention
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:16:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.203356.19338@csus.edu>, vpcsc11@sfsuvax1 (student) writes:
>It seems as if we may be heading (rapidly) towards a global police state...

End of Usenet predicted.

Seriously, see for the signs - one is if (or when) the proverbial
"they" succeed in killing Usenet for example because it contains too
much anonymous encrypted drug trafficking information, child
pornography, satanism, illegal databases, etc.

Before that, though, there might happen a civil war / revolution /
collapse in USA and that might well change the status quo of the
world.

with paranoid regards,

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: danny@athena.mit.edu (Daniel A Lagattuta)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:26:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.225323.28356@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:
|> A subject I'm surprised hasn't come up in a.s.a yet...
|> The press, as well as American political leaders of "both" parties seem to have
|> reached a consensus that the problem with Somalia is a lack of authority.  In
|> fact, they claim that the country is/was in a state of anarchy.  (I'm sure the
|> Black flag is still flying over the areas that haven't yet been subdued by
|> multinational forces.)  Why aren't we taking them to task on this misuse of
|> language?  How do they suppose the country got armed to the teeth, anyway? 
|> Permissive upbringing of children, maybe?


	I am disturbed by the misuse of the term anarchy as well.  Somalia does
not have anarchy.  They may not have a bureaucratic central government, but they
have a parasitic class of warlords which has a monopoly on force in their own
regions.  I would call them governments, just exceptionally evil ones.


						Daniel A. LaGattuta
From: fab9452@nigel.tamu.edu (Allan Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Looking for Anarchism refs to read
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:48:40
Organization: Computing Services Center, Texas A & M University
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.tamu.edu


  could some post/email a "suggested reading list" about anarchism?

  tnx,
--
Allan Bailey, UNIX programmer, CSC  |
fab9452@nigel.tamu.edu              | or: nefud-the-delirious@tamu.edu
616c6c616e206261696c6579            |
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade)
Subject: Anarchist Films
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:15:31 GMT



I am searching for two films produced by Pacific Street Film Projects, Inc.

They are:

   Free Voice of Labor -- The Jewish Anarchists, 1980
   Anarchism In America, 1982

The directors of these films were Steven Fischler and Joel Sucher.

If anyone knows how to get copies of these films or in contact with the
directors, please contact me.

thanks

blaine  email = bbrigade@world.std.com
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade)
Subject: Anarchist forum Series
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:12:07 GMT



                         December 15th, at 7:30pm
                   
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                       THE ANNUAL CHOAS DAY LECTURE
                          by Peter Lamborn Wilson,

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