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From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.161250.29117@bmerh85.bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>|> 	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
>|> 		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.
>|> 
>
>Good questions.
>
>   Still, at least one club I've visited (Glen Echo) had a nude cook.

Glen, I don't know if you used the washroom down by the "motel" at
Glen Echo.  They have two doors.  One says men and the other says
women.  However, They both lead to opposite ends of the same room.
.
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From: naturist@igc.apc.org (Pat O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: National Capital Naturists
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:02:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug26.033559.1712@samba.oit.:1763857183:cdp:1457200028:000:229
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Aug 26 17:02:00 1992


Hmmm, lots of questions about National Capital Naturists.
	Not sure where they're hiding this week, but you might try John
Boteler at (703) 241-7818. He works with the group and is a member of the 
Naturist Action Committee.
Pat
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Being Naked in Canada
Keywords: laws, police harassment
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:34:31 GMT

In article <BtpFyz.5oD@ie.utoronto.ca>, drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke) writes:
|> But it got me to thinking about similar events here in Canada, and I
|> realised that I know nothing about Canadian laws regarding being naked in
|> public places.  Near as I can tell, it's completely forbidden always.
|> I think you can also be charged with "indecent exposure" for being naked in
|> your own home.

Mostly, yes, it is illegal, just as in the US. The law is not against
being nude, though - rather it as against being seen nude, presumably
by those who might be offended. Thus you can be charged with indecent
exposure if you are nude in your home, so long as someone outside can
see you. I suspect that if they need binoculars to see you, no charges
will be laid. 8-)

You can be nude on private property in Canada, so long as you are not
visible from outside that property.

You can be nude in public property so long as no-one complains. This
is just common sense. After all, who can stop you?

There are a number of accepted nude-use locations in the country.
One is Wreck Beach, at Vancouver, BC. Another is Meech Lake, near
Ottawa, Ont. I belive there are a few spots in Quebec as well.

Most hot springs are accepted for nude use. Of course, they are
usually fairly remote. Few (none, in my experience) present give 
a damn.

I am not a lawyer. This should not be construed as legal advice.
In fact, I didn't even type this - I left my terminal unattended
while I was at lunch.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer)
Subject: Re: Concerns of a New Nudist
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.200256.14156@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>I mean this seriously. I might see someone near my age and feel inadequate.
>"Mine is not big enough, my body is not in as good as shape as these muscle
>guys." I know someone out there is laughing, but I really wonder about
>this.
>I can't be the only person who has thought about this--can I? 

No, you're definitely not the only person to think about that.
I understand the part about not being in as good as shape as the other
guys.  But after a while you just learn that you are who you are, and
lots of people will like you the way you are.  In the nude recreation
scene, most people aren't interested in judging you by how good a shape
you are in, but what's inside..


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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Assateague
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:06:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.142108.27328@udel.edu> jrogers@hercules.cis.udel.edu (James Rogers) writes:
>There were a couple of recent posts about a CO area on Assateague Is.
>(The thread has expired at my sight.)  I am wondering how current
>the information is.  Not too long ago there was some discussion of the
>Park Service `enforcing local laws'.  So what is the current status?
>Also, is this area north or south of the road onto the island?
> Thanks,
>  Jim Rogers
>  jrogers@udel.edu


I was just at Assateague this past Saturday. Not bad, except my sunblock
wimped out and i got a pretty nasty sunburn :( There were about 10 people
there, with slightly cool water and a nice breeze. Aside from the burn, a
very nice day. A Park Service truck drove through at one point, and the
other (nude) people there just waved to the driver and he waved back, so I
guess there isn't really a problem at the current time. I definitely
suggest checking it out while there's still time this summer.

After crossing the bridge, go straight ahead into the _state_ park. Pay
the fee (on Saturday it was $2.00) and park, then turn LEFT from the
bathhouse (i.e., north) and hike up past the sixth phone pole to get out
of sight of the costumed people. Enjoy.

--mark cornick, james madison university   stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
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From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Subject: Swimsuit-optional hours at the Caltech pool?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:10:20 GMT

I'm currently petitioning the Caltech administration to set aside some
swimsuit-optional hours at the pool.  Sorry for the wide posting of such a
local topic, but I'd like to hear about any similar attempts/successes at
other schools.  Here's my recent post to "caltech.announce":

-------

Here's what's happening on our petition for swimsuit-optional hours at the
Caltech pool.  I'm paraphrasing several officials, from memory; if any of
them read this and want to expound or clarify, I hope they will post.

- A couple dozen people responded by email, but only 8 physical signatures
  actually made it to my hands.

- I talked to Dan Bridges, athletic director.  He liked the padlock loan
  idea.  He thought swimsuit-optional hours were a possibility (and I was
  not the first to suggest them), but would have to run the idea by his
  superiors.  He mentioned that 2 years ago the idea would have gotten
  nowhere fast, since 1) the administration was still sensitive about the
  Dabney hot tub incident, and 2) they were raising money for the new gym.

- The VP for Student Affairs, Gary Lorden, disapproved strongly.  Here's
  Dan's description of Gary's response: "...a policy of this nature would
  surely offend a very large portion of the Campus/JPL Community, including
  Dr. and Mrs. Everhart and virtually all members of our Board of Trustees
  ... If you feel like pursuing this issue further, I suggest that you take
  it to Dr. Everhart directly." 

- President Tom Everhart basically said, I don't care, don't bother me with
  this.  This is something the administrators should handle.

- I'll talk to Gary Tuesday 9/8 at 2pm (Parsons Gates rm 108).  Anyone want
  to join me?

Here's my working hypothesis: Nobody actually objects strongly, but
everyone's afraid someone else will be offended -- Dan of Gary, Gary of
Tom, Tom of the community.  If so, I merely need to get everybody's
personal approval! :-)  Perhaps more signatures gathered after the school
year starts would help.  I'll let you know what happens Tuesday.

				-- David Brahm  452-48  x6445
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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Keeping men out
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:59:46 GMT

In article <17u426INN2ni@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>An interesting point here.  The nudist women I have talked to don't seem to
>be bothered by being around a bunch of men and few women.  Perhaps they
>enjoy the extra attention. :-)  The group that seems to be most bothered

I know several women who are uncomfortable being alone on Wreck Beach
because of the number of single men, and in particular because of the"extra
attention" they receive.  They are comfortable enough, though, if they are
accompanied by a man.

Bill.
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: nudism to nudyism
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:00:07 GMT

Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>But IMHO the words "naturist" and "naturism"  (from the French
>"naturisme" and "naturiste") should be abolished, since they were
>invented before or after WWII by some French nudists with a shame
>complex and an image problem.   
>...
>BTW: are nudists-who-smoke-and-drink-alcohol-like-hell closer to nature
>than non-nudists who don't smoke and don't get plastered every week-end ?

Michel, I think phrases used as a crutch to get from one
part of a disjointed sentence to another, such as "in terms of",
should be abolished but I have had little success. Heck,
some of the people using them are running for re-election!

Besides, I find the term naturist more descriptive of
me because I don't just 'get naked'. I simply don't
focus excessive time and money on clothes like
most of my friends and relatives do, that's all.
I happen to think that I am best suited to be nude
in Nature since I am part of Nature, so the term is
appropriate.

I also am not in favor of the poolside-chaise-lounge-potato-with-a-
beer-in-both-hands mentality that pervades many nudist
clubs in America. That's just not my cup of tea, so
if we must have two terms, then that might be a
valid distinction. Maybe Naturism grew itself a definition
over the years?

Alas, I have to work that weekend for money (my contract job)
and for community (NCN helping the Assateague beach cleanup).

Have fun up there!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: TNS,NAC
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:14:00 -0700
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug.West.Sun.COM

Pat O'Brien <naturist@igc.apc.org> writes:
>	We have been receiving e-mail on Delphi over the past several days
>from this net. I learn this morning that the Internet link with Delphi has
>been completed, so you should be aware of the Delphi address if you want to 
>send things to The Naturist Society or the Naturist Action Committee. It is
>tns@delphi.com., includes last period.

Includes last period?  Are you sure?  That is not a legal Internet
address according to RFC822.

     Richard M. Mathews			G eorge
					 D epression
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  B ush casts a
					   G loom on us all
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From: cms@home.demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford)
Subject: Concerns of a New Nudist 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Limited.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 22:17:28 +0000

In article <25AUG199209110111@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:

>
>No you aren't.  A lot of people avoid CO recreation because of how
>unattractive or inadequate that they think their bodies will appear.
>I think that younger people are more concerned about this.  (I know
>that I was when I was younger.)

	Wholeheartedly agreed.  When I was younger, I was always
embarressed to be seen nude because I felt I was a fat slob.  Now I
*know* I'm a fat slob, I have no such inhibitions :-)
		Cliff.
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From: tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German)
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.sex,alt.sewing
Subject: BRA SURVEY [LAST POST]
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:45:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrwat.9861
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA


	====================================================
	THANK YOU TO ALL WHO PUBLICIZED BY SURVEY BY FLAMING
	     ME ON IN THE NEWS GROUPS. YOU REALLY HELPED.
	====================================================

		I will never understand why people who don't
	like to see something in a news group fill up the
	air time with articles about the thing they don't like.
	I have only posted 3 times (including this one) but have
	seen 20+ articles in rec.nude. If you must flame, mail
	me. Come to that, flame-mail the people who flame via the
	news.groups.

	"Who's more the fool, the fool or the fool who follows
		 the fool" Old ben, Star Wars 1.

	======================================================

	Anyway this is the last call for submisions. Here is
	the form again.

	                      never ----------- always
				0  1  2  3  4  5  6

		--------------------------------------
		1. Do you wear a bra               [ ]
		2. Does it have rear fasteners     [ ]
		3. Does it have front fasteners    [ ]
		4. If it is rear fastening do you
			fasten behind your back    [ ]
		5. If it is rear fastening do you
			belt-and-twist             [ ]
		6. If you belt-and-twist have you
			always donw it that way    < > y or n
		7. If you rear fasten have you
			tried belt-and-twist       < > y or n
		8. If it is front fastening do you
			use one arm in, round back
			other arm in method.       [ ]
		9. If it is front fastening do you
			use two arms in behind the
			back method                [ ]
	       10. If it is front fastening do you
			use crossed arms in front,
		      over head, down arms method. [ ]
		--------------------------------------

	Comments :-


	========================================================

	This is definately the last call. I will post the results
	next week.

	=========================================================
	
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From: jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long)
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Organization: Purgatory Embassy
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:13:01 GMT

In article <afischl.6547@meltdown.chi.il.us> afischl@meltdown.chi.il.us (Alex Fischl) writes:

[...driving in the nude...]
>It completely differnt from being on the beach because you have changing
>scenery, and the feel of the wind on your body.  And if it rains, just close
>the window.  And even better, if it's too cold out to go to the beach (loike it
[...]
>
>The Dragon Slayer
>-Alex.

Ahhh... what if you get into an accident? The one time I drove naked was a
few years ago, I was starting off on a 2 1/2 hour drive. I had just
loaded up on snack food and coffee, and had stripped my shorts off, 
and headed out onto the highway, a wide 2-lane road with side roads
intersecting it from time to time. Speed limit 55. 

And there he was. Just went through the stop sign like it wasn't there,
setting himself up to be the cross of the T.

BRAKES! SCREECH! SKID! WHEELS LOCKED! NO STEERING! 

I'm heading straight for the guy, not enough room to stop...
I let off the brakes enough to swerve, and miss his tail end by inches,
and go off the highway onto the road he was on, AND THERE IS ANOTHER
CAR COMING UP TO THE SIGN! (and I'm buck nakked...)

So I swerved the *other* way, off the road, onto the shoulder and spun
out, nice and neat.

I always thought I was a good driver, and there I proved it.

So there I was, sitting right next to the stop sign, and the guy in
the car, who I was originally trying to avoid, was just sitting there
in his car with his jaw on his lap and staring... still blocking the
highway.

Maybe I should have gotten out of the car and shouted "Look what you
did!", and if I hadn't been naked, I would have. But I just smiled
at him and said "excuse me..." (I was pretty pleased with the spinout...
did it *just* right.) and drove back onto the highway.

Yeah, maybe I should have.

But I stopped and put my shorts back on, f'sure!

-LongJohn
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From: magicjohnson@Forum.L.A.com
Subject: Testing.....
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00417-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Los Angeles Lakers
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:22:00 GMT





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From: drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke)
Subject: Being Naked in Canada
Summary: info request
Keywords: laws, police harassment
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:44:58 GMT

I recently attended the Annual International Gathering of Gay Male Nudists.
There were over 600 men attending.  It took place in a private summer camp
in Pensylvania, and was a great experience.

But it got me to thinking about similar events here in Canada, and I
realised that I know nothing about Canadian laws regarding being naked in
public places.  Near as I can tell, it's completely forbidden always.
I think you can also be charged with "indecent exposure" for being naked in
your own home.

Anyone out there have any facts?

	SpIke.
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From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Subject: Lost e-mails to me from Browning and Dobson.
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:43:03 GMT

I received e-mail from Craig Browning and Rob Dobson, apparently responding to  
one or more of my posts, but my e-mail went foobar and all I could see was  
summary lines, so all I know is that I got mail from them.  I also do not have  
return addresses to notify them individually, hence this post.  Please re-send  
your e-mail to me.

Thanx,
Michael

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From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: An option to the s** word
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:19:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.134253.262@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com writes:
>In article <v+an5__@lynx.unm.edu> sday@hydra.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)  
>writes:
>> I have to admit, due to the recent garbage that has been creeping into
>> rec.nude that has _NOTHING_ to do with nudism or naturism... [rest deleted]
>
>When will people on this list realize that they do not live in a vacuum?  If you  
>support a behavior that most people don't do (let alone believe is OK), you are  
>going to find many who agree with you, but you are also going to be  
>misunderstood and criticized.  There are as many ways to interpret any behavior  
>you support as there are people who hear of it.  Why must discussions only  
>follow some kind of "politically correct" line?

Why must every discussion be an argument?
Why must I always discuss things with people who disagree?
Why even bother responding to people who will never see my side?
Why can't I simply discuss issues which are important to me with others
     who understand and agree?
Why do I have to go through dozens of postings about subject matters which
    are irrelevant?  (we are supposed to have specific interest groups)
Why must I accept any stupid posting as worthy of a discussion????

I think the newsletter is a good idea.  As soon as my mailer is fixed I
will mail to John and sign up.

That doesn't mean I'll stop reading this group.  It simply means I can 
ignore it from time to time when it gets boring.  


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From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.222611.15416@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>And, men are allowed to strut their stuff whenever they want.  I don't
>give a shit what you think of women's breasts.  If men can flaunt it, so
>can women.  It an equality issue.  I would be perfectly content to
>keep my shirt on, if men had to also.

But then howcum men can be arrested for fondling a woman's breasts
against her will, but women can't be charged with fondling a man's
chest against his will?  That's not equality. 

-- Zeke.
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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:04:49 GMT

In article <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>
>	My SO and I recently visited a nudist resort. We had an excellent
>	time. However, one or two things confused us both.
>
>	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
>		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.

Many people still consider toilet/washroom use a private thing. Even
nudists who do everything else in the nude.  Strange but true.

> >	2. How come
the staff, like bartenders wore clothes. >

Most likely (discriminatory :) health and/or liquor codes.

>	Anyone got any fealings on the above.

Topic 1 I find sort of silly, but that's just me. I know lots of people
who prefer separate-sex toilets.

Topic 2 makes more sense to me after spilling hot, but thankfully not
boiling, soup across my pubic region (yeowch!)

--mark

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From: smk1@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Erection???
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:03:45 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug24.213435.22217@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livy) writes:
> Hi all!
> 
>   I have a question which may look pretty stupid,but still annoying me...
>   Going to nude beaches and seeing nude sexy girls don't lead to a fast
>   erection? Isn't that embarrasing a bit?
>   That's all...


It is not stupid at all, in seeing that there are no ocean beaches in Wiscon.
then it is not surprising at all. However, my friend it is because sex is not 
always a purely physical thing, infact erections have alot to do with the 
emotional frame of mind of someone at the time. I suggest that you find yours-
self a nice gal and get to know what is in her head then think about extend-
ing your activities.

We are, Possum and Percy, post-graduate students of Social Anthropology. We
look forward to offering you any more advice and remember - sex is not all
penetration you know.
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