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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVEN-CLAUS)
Subject: SHOOTER FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:29:05 GMT

Well I just got back form a book signing by JIM SHOOTER, and I've got to tell
y'all, he has to be one of the nicest comic pros I've ever met.

An example:  He was signing a copy of Archer & Armstrong #0 for some guy, and 
as he started to put down his name, he put a sorta squiggly line where he would
have put a "S".  Feeling that he had had just ruined this guys copy, he called
the tour manager guy over and told him to get the books owner another vopy.
, so Shooter singhed it anyway.  Afterwards he asked the manager to take down 
the guys name anyway, and he'll send him a new copy (they didn't have any with
them).  The guy said not to bother, but Shooter insisted.  That's class.

Anyways he talked about his new company DEFIANT.  A number of the guys he hired
for Valiant will be heading over to there.  Their gonna start out 
with about 8 titles (2/week) and eventually expand to around 16.  I missed
when he talked about what type of stuff there will be in the books.

There was sadness in his voice when he talked about{Valient.  In his words what
happened was that their were 3 owners of the company, him, his partner and
the venture captalists.  His partner married the sister of the head venture 
capatalist.  OK the partner and wife decided they wanted to sell the whole
company (Shooter's part as well) to the brother-in-law.  They wanted Shooter
to sign a 10 year contract to continue working for them.  Shooter's feelings
were that there was no way he was gonna sell his ownership rights so that he 
could work for the guys brother-in-law.  Sence the partner and Brother-inlaw
had 2 votes (to Shooter's 1) they decided to fire him.

Well, he also talked about submissions.  He garuntees (sp) that they will get
comments back to everyone who sends in a submission to them.  For writers, he
said he'll take subs. in any format (short stories, scripts, etc).  He wants to
see if they can write, writing comics can be taught later. 
Other names he mentioned that get back to submitters were the guys at
INNOVATION, and Mike Carlin over at DC.

He said that he didn't feel that the Kubert School taught people to do comics.
He did however say that grads from their had really pro atitudes, and tended to 
work really hard.  He mentioned that people from the Eisner school tend to
have attitudes of superiority.

All in all I thought he was a really nice guy.

----SCAVENGER is pshyched that 3 new Hero Graphics books came in today!!!
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From: kaloger@nmt.edu (Robert Kalogerakos)
Subject: Slapstick
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:30:25 GMT

I just got the first two issues of Slapstick and must say, I am a 
bit confused.  It's hard to tell if this guy is suppost to be in the
"What the..." Marble Universe or the Marvel Universe.  I love the consept,
but I was hopeing he'd be more like Speedball from "The New Warriors"; silly
and stupid but with serious problems to deal with.  Does anyone else
see a future for "Slapstick"?

-- Bob
From: atchampion@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Better Death of Supe
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:22:38 GMT


Anybody seen the one-issue giant-sized comic book that came out
a while back called "Destroy"?

THAT'S the way the final battle should've been staged!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Alex Champion
atchampion@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:07:58 EST

In article <1gb2fmINNrsn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
 
>
>
>Hellblazer in recent issues has revized the view of Hell somewhat.
>This has cleared up certain aspects of Hell`s hierarchy.  Also,the
>first issues of The Demon explain why there was a triumvirate.
>As to Lucifer being the second most powerful being imn creation.
>That may be the case in the DC universe, but my money is on Michael
>in Catholic theology.
>;)
>PS Whether Gaiman pays attentions to anything else that is done
>with Hell and uses it is problematic?  I wouldn't bet anything I was
>afraid to lose on it.
>--
 
   Talking about Lucifer and Neil Gaiman, there is a story by Gaiman (a
written short story, not a comic book) in a short story collection called
_Midnight Graffiti_ (Not to be confused with the magazine, which is edited
by the same people) edited by Jessica Horsting and James Van Hise.
   The title of the story is "Murder Mysteries", and Neil takes the age
old question of "If God is omnipotent and all-knowing, then why did he
let Lucifer be?"  The answer is a bit old, but on the other hand, the way
he dresses it up as a murder mystery is fascinating.
 
    Junsok Yang
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:51:14 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

  I think it's a Mage T-shirt.  Granted, it's the wrong color, but
the Mage T-shirt actually exists.
-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:59:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1gb274INNmb1@transfer.stratus.com> hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.014517.25421@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>> Okay, spoiler alert for those who don't have your comics yet...
>(Hope the ^L works) 
>> Well, we now know why Quase got that new chest symbol so long ago...Mark had 
>> always intended him to trade in the Q-bands for the Starbrand.  Quasar now 
>> wields that funky New U tattoo.  But...so does Kayla!  Wha'happen?  Did it 
>> clone itself?  Have kids? Split in two parts each with less power?  Or was 
>> there a Starbrand in the Marvel U that was attracted to its opposite number?
>
>
>As I recall from the old Starbrand book, the power could be transfered to another.
>For a time the 'doner' would be without the power, but eventually it would build
>up in them again.  Leaving 2 people with the full power of the Starbrand.

Obscure Trivia Lad isn't sure, but he thinks that the 'donor' was only
left with a fraction of the Star Brand's power (something like 10%).  At
least, that's what they said at the time.  They could have changed it
since then.

Obscure Trivia Lad, one of the few people who not only read the New
Universe titles, but actually liked most of them (not Kickers, though).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Prolific Gerard Jones (was Re: DC should change its name)
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:12:27 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>In article <1992Dec7.171951.20101@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi) writes:
>> 	Gerard Jones is writing 4 monthly titles for DC (GL, GL:MOSAIC,
>> GUY GARDNER, JLE), plus stories for GL CORPS QUARTERLY, plus the usual
>> limited series (MARTIAN MANHUNTER, etc.), plus god knows what else.  In
>> addition, he's writing WONDER MAN for Marvel.

>Not to mention the translations (excuse me, adaptations) of Viz Comics'
>RANMA 1/2.  (No wonder they suck...)

OOOOOOOOh!  The Ranma 0.5 adaptations do not suck.  They are good, very good,
on par with the Bell and Hockridge translations of _Asterix_.  I am amazed
that he can come up with jokes that are untranslatable in the original
Japanese....

Widya Santoso, responding to...

>-- 
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:24:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec15.233437.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo of the Lamp) writes:
>jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
>> Actually, the question should be "Why is PAD the only artist/writer on the
>> net?"  Peter, are you a closet computer nerd?  Considering Tony Isabella was
>> willing to give you his last name, why don't you give him a usenet account?
>> Then we can send him get well soon email.
>
>	Uh, because Peter is willing to pay Portal the big buck$ necessary
>to get Usenet access, and other writers and artists are unwilling or unable
>to spend like that?

So how much does Portal charge, anyway?

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
Obscure Trivia Lad, Legion of Net.Heroes Elder
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - I KNOW where Destruction is
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:41:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz7L5C.Hxz
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando) writes:
>  But I think I am right.

>Ok.  Flame all you want.
>Peter
>orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu


No flames, Pete.  We can only commend you, as we all noticed that
a while back.  Welcome to the group.  So, now, who do you think
was Dream's most recent lover?



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From: hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:46:12 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec11.014517.25421@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
> Okay, spoiler alert for those who don't have your comics yet...
(Hope the ^L works) 
> Well, we now know why Quase got that new chest symbol so long ago...Mark had 
> always intended him to trade in the Q-bands for the Starbrand.  Quasar now 
> wields that funky New U tattoo.  But...so does Kayla!  Wha'happen?  Did it 
> clone itself?  Have kids? Split in two parts each with less power?  Or was 
> there a Starbrand in the Marvel U that was attracted to its opposite number?


As I recall from the old Starbrand book, the power could be transfered to another.
For a time the 'doner' would be without the power, but eventually it would build
up in them again.  Leaving 2 people with the full power of the Starbrand.

	Henry Garcia
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From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Re: Flash 73:  SPOILERS!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:38:05 GMT

No, you don't get it.  Joey (Joseph) and Maria (Mary) have had their kid
in a non-inn, and so they needed a third wize man (hence Barry).

No, wait.  I know.  Christ has returned (the baby) and now the second coming
is nigh, and the dead are rising from the grave.  DC does the Apocolypes!
The End of Time:  The 12 issue prestige format mini-series.  Foil covers!

No, wait.  I'm sure I know now.  Barry is still dead, but he is an angel come
to proclaim the birth of the infant Je-Sus, the gimmer and grittier Superman!

What would be cool would be a Superman-Flash crossover in which Supes and Barry
pool their efforts to escape the netherworld.  Hey, who says there isn't a
yellow sun in hell?

By the way, anyone catch the Cerebus reference in PADs newest masterpiece?

-- 
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From: smooge@nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.superman.dead,alt.death-of-superman
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Summary: Silly Theory -- Bibbo (Superman EarthII?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:45:09 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech

My personal theory of who Bibbowski is that he is really Earth-2's superman
who has lost his memory of how he got there [this is a joke people :)].
There were several Superman comics where they drew Bibbo and Sooperman
next to each other, and they almost looked like identical twins. It was
at this point the idea that they were somehow throwing in the old Superman
in past the end of Crisis hit me. I realize that this is total malarky,
but it does bring in some really cheap plot devices of how to bring
Superman back... (Bibbo gets hit in the head... and remembers that he
existed as a superhero before... He then puts on a slightly different
Superman costume, and goes leaping over tall buildings...)

Ebenezer Smooge
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Splits Up
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:08:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:

>He also pointed out that the reason Marble and Dee See comics come 
>out on a monthly basis is that the editors can hire other people to
>do them at their own discression. Image titles are owned by the
>creators, so they control it. No one finished a Steven King novel
>when it doesn't come out when expected. Likewise with
>Image -- and with the HUGE press runs and $1.95 price tag, it's
>not like they need the $$$.
>

You might tell him that Stephen King signs contracts with publishers.
I'm sure one aspect of his contract is a delivery date for a novel.  The
Image people have decided that deadlines don't mean anything.  I don't
care how large a press run might be:  they don't get paid until they
deliver the book...

-- 
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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: PAD & Pros
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:23:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Given PAD's comments about this board and some fellow "pro's" reactions, I
think there are many valid questions and points that arise:

    First let us look at USENET and its contributors.  I believe that I'm safe
in assuming that most of the netters are currently in college or have graduated
from a college in recent years.  Therefore, I conclude that most of the people
on this board are around the average age of a comic book reader;  20 years of
age (as of 2 years ago).  I believe most of us like to believe that, to a
certain extent, we're somewhat intelligent and mature.

    Finally, I believe we can safely assume that most of us love comics.  Why
else do we devote so much of our lives to it?  It is this very love of comics
that makes many of us so 'rude' in our criticsms.  I personally have loved
comics for as long as I remember.  I also happen to have grown up and fallen
in love with many of the characters at Marvel.  Of course, I'm going to be
critical when I see some of my favorite characters being handled as nothing
more than 2 dimensional marketing tools!!!  I don't believe its completely
wrong to treat characters as such, but I think these characters can be and
have been so much more.

    On the other end:  The "pros" that PAD spoke of don't get much respect
from me.  As "pros", I'm sure they've heard many sharp comments about their
work.  Why ignore us?  We're that generation that made comics so huge in the
70's & 80's.  We've seen how great they can be!  Comics have kept me around
for so long because it seemed to have gone through an adolescence in the
'80's along with me.  Marvel and DC grew up with me.  What is happening?  Many
of the books out there seem to be pre-adolescent drivel.

    Why are these "pros" ignoring my generation?  The heroes I grew up with are
in hapless states.  We want our heroes back in their glory & grandeur!  My
generation is a huge untapped market.  We will be pulling in an average of
$30,000 when we graduate (much more than a teeny bopper's weekly allowance).
Why are we being ignored?

    Don't these "pros" ever wonder why the medium of comics in the US
doesn't have the recognition and respect it commands in Japan?  I believe one
of the reasons is that my generation is being ignored.

    I apologize for this drivel, but I just needed to get this off my chest.
Its also served to blow of some steam from finals.


    
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From: kmcintyr@unix1.tcd.ie (Kenny McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Batman: Bane
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:08:31 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Dec15.103640.24778@schbbs.mot.com> Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:

>What did I miss? Why is he going after Killer Croc? 

Who knows why but the reason we now is 'cos it was said in the lettercol
in Batman 488.

Ken.


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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Subject: hepcats
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:50:03 GMT

after hearing lots about the book for a year or two now, i picked up
hepcats #'s 9 and 10 yesterday and, needless to say, i was quite
impressed. martin wagner seems to be telling quite a good story in a
wonderful way. art and dialogue are both fantastic. by the middle of
issue 9, i was completely drawn in. thankfully i was able to
read issue 9's synopsis of the series so far (seeing as in 10 he is
beginning to restrict it to a last issue blurb) but i am still unsure
about most of the relations between the characters, and their
respective backgrounds. from the two i read, i inferred quite a bit,
but i'm not sure if many of my guesses are right. 

therefore, i have a
request. would anyone care to post or email me a brief (or not so
brief) synopsis of each issue so far, or the series as a whole, which
covers a bit more than martin did in issue 9? 

any help would be appreciated.
thanks.

russ fischer

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:52:48 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <92349.135050SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

+>My question for you all is - what can I read?  I need a book that's
+>published on a regular basis (Hepcats is nice - but just how long
+>do I have to wait for the next issue?) that will either 1) make
+>me laugh 2) make me think or 3) just plain old interest me.  In
+>other words - if you read Cerebus and Sandman, what else do you
+>read?

	Shade - when the book is good, its very good.  But most of
		the time the story quality is uneven.

	Spawn - If you can get past all the noise and all the various
		personalities/issues surrounding image, this is a good
		book. 

	Savage Dragon - This is a book that some people think is OK, but
		Others dont like at all.  Its a matter of taste, but its
		probably worth a try.


	With the exception of the books you listed as ones you read already, 
thats about it.  



 


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From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown)
Subject: Holiday Traffic
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:43:39 GMT

Sorry to be a little off topic here - but does the traffic
usually get this slow over the holiday?  I've only seen
like 20 messages in the past 3 days....


Just Curious! :-)
Chris

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: norris@madmag.enet.dec.com
Subject: Fanzine - The MAD Panic
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:18:51 GMT



        I publish a fanzine for MAD, PANIC and Alfred E. Neuman fans and
        collectors. Typical issue is 12 pages. Sample is $1.50 and 6 issue
        subscription is $7.50. Foreign is $2.00/12.00 in U.S. funds.

        Send to: Ed Norris
                 91 Kelly Drive
                 Lancaster MA 01523


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