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From: goose@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Pilot)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: 3 letter codes
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:47:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BxAx6M.13q
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Bx92Et.198@well.sf.ca.us> spart@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Soennichsen) writes:
>
>
>		The DUAT system has a function that decodes all three letter
>designators.  It is a free service.  1-800-CHK-DUAT
>

You can also telnet to it online, by 'telnet duat.contel.com' if that is easier.

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: spart@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Soennichsen)
Subject: Re: 3 letter codes
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:44:53 GMT



		The DUAT system has a function that decodes all three letter
designators.  It is a free service.  1-800-CHK-DUAT


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From: "George S. Chapman" <p00180@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Reply-To: mithrandir@isvnet.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Midwest Stock Exchange
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:10:26 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

You're absolutely right.  We definitely need to get the
general public more informed about what we do.

AOPA has been hard at work on it for some time.  They
do a speakers program (using local volunteers) and sponsor
several forms of Fly-A-<Teacher, Politician, Reporter, You name it>.

They're always looking for more help.  The number (800-872-2672)
is on the membership card that ***ADVERTISEMENT*** I hope all of
us carry.

 =====================================
  George S. Chapman
  Director, Technology Planning
  The Midwest Stock Exchange, Inc.
  Chicago, Illinois; Bangkok Thailand
  mithrandir@isvnet.enet.dec.com
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>DATE:   Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:27:24 GMT
>FROM:   Stormwind <amazon@annexia.esd.sgi.com>
>
>in an interesting discussion with a
>co-worker today over the outcome of a 
>local vote on an airfield (moffett,
>for the locals), i encountered a very
>interesting viewpoint.
>
>the person i was speaking with stated
>that he was offended and insulted that
>pilots were allowed to fly over his 
>house, and that was completely beyond
>the safety and noise factor.
>
>when i asked why, he commented that pilots
>were a "minority group", that it was a
>"rich man's sport", and why did they get
>more rights than he did.
>
>when i pointed out to him that i myself
>was HARDLY a "rich person" he then tried
>to explain that i was richer than the
>rest of the populace.  when i then pointed
>out to him that HE could learn to fly if
>he was willing to do the work, do the
>training, learn the knowledge, and make
>the same kinds of financial sacrifices
>i was making, he decided to drop the issue
>and not discuss it further.
>
>earlier in the morning he was heard to 
>comment that general aviation pilots
>were bad because "they're the same kind
>of bozos who drive cars", and neglected
>to remember the amount of training that 
>i had gone through.  he was also heard
>to mention that general aviation aircraft
>were "poorly maintained".
>
>i'm a little shocked, especially considering
>he's in the cube next to mine and has
>had a good dose of flight plans, training,
>and other things wafting over the wall in 
>the past year.
>
>but the real drive of this post is: clearly
>the public isn't interested in learning
>FOR THEMSELVES what general aviation is
>about.  it's time for us to  derail the media
>and spoon-feed the general public the REAL
>information about learning to fly and what
>it entails.  we better do it now before we
>lose more of our airstrips and have irate
>citizens passing more legislature against
>GA.
>
>what's the best way we could do this?  tv
>strikes me as the direct path of attack on
>couch potatoes.  are there any organizations
>out there dedicated towards re-educating the
>public?
>
>			stormwind
>
>			hell's amazon
From: hutch@acuson.com (Jim Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: temp/dewpoint
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:23:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

I believe the instrument that measures humidity is also called a "sling
psychrometer". You can buy one from Edmund Scientific in New Jersey.

They make very fancy dewpoint-measuring instruments; I believe they work
by chilling a mirror and watching for dew to form.

							
							Cheers.
                                                        Jim Hutchison
                                                        hutch@acuson.com
                                                an original Network Illiterate
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: pdb1@ra.msstate.edu (Philip D Bridges)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Helicopter icing
Summary: Reply to helicopter icing questions
Keywords: helicopter,ifr,icing
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:23:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.pdb1.721416200
Organization: Mississippi State University


This is a reply to the poster with questions about helicopter icing.
Helicopter accidents caused by icing are rare for several reasons.

1. Helicopter ifr operations are a small part of the total ifr
   operations, so they have less numerical exposure.
2. Helicopters generally fewer hours of fuel than fixed wing, so
   they spend less time in the air per ifr flight than the average
   fixed wing, again reducing exposure to flight.
3. IFR helicopters are generally flown by professional pilots and   
   usually have 2 pilots in the cockpit. More brains and experience
   in the front generally result in safer flights.
4. Helicopters can fly vfr safely in worse conditions than fixed
   wing aircraft. Thus if icing is forecast, the helicopter may
   choose to go vfr in weather that fixed wing drivers would avoid.

In addition, helicopters are affected differently than airplanes
when carrying ice. The outside part of the main rotor stays free
of ice due to centrifugal forces, so the helicopter won't lose
lift as quickly as airplanes. From a performance basis, the 
helicopter can carry more ice than an equivalent size airplane.
There are, however, two big problems with ice that airplanes
don't face. The first is that the main rotor will pick up ice
on the inner part and the resulting imbalance will cause
severe vibrations as the ice accumulates. A report by a UH-1
in Germany stated that the vibration caused by severe icing was
so bad that the pilots could barely read the instruments in flight.
The second problem is that the ice buildup on the inner part of
the main rotor can degrade the autorotational capability of the
helicopter. This would mean an engine failure would result in
catastrophe. This is another incentive to avoid ice when flying
helicopters. 
 I hope this gives you some insight into helicopter icing 
and the lack of accidents caused by it.

 

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From: gcreager@gothamcity.uucp ([Gerry Creager [I-NET])
Subject: Handheld GPS
Summary:  An informal survey...
Keywords: handhelp GPS Trimble Garmin Motorola Magellan
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/Johnson Space Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:13:23 GMT


OK, the time has come.  I have the urge to get a handheld GPS for use in the
Aero Club planes so that I no longer spend 30 minutes relearning the quirks of
the loran-de-jur.  I'd like to hear what the Net.Wisdon is on the handhelds
out there, and their performance in light aircraft, pluses/minuses WRT ease of
use and human factors engineering, and bang-for-the-buck ratios.

Please respond via E-mail, and I'll summarize.

Thanks,
Gerry Creager  PP-SEL-A
gcreager@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Batteries & Damage Done...
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:56:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

I think the Battery was shot before you did the jump.  Up here in Frostbite
Minnesota the Tow trucks use 24 VDC to jump cars in the winter. If the
battery is  any good that 10 minutes should have done somthing.  No/low
electrolyte will affect charging. But a quick 24 VDC shouldn't do any damage.


I'am not a expert on lead acid battries BUT I have a friend who is (patents in

batteries even) and after 20 years of chatting have picked up a few things.


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From: nolan@lurch.twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:50:42 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.004550.29663@odin.corp.sgi.com>, amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind) writes:

|>hmmmm.  maybe i should post a gif of myself
|>doing a preflight in my shredded jeans, union 
|>shirt and tattered flannel shirt with my filthy
|>pickup in the background...

POST IT! It'll go into my wallpaper file with Mary Schaefer and her F4!

--
Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	

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From: darias@.com (Dan Arias)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: darias@oracle.UUCP (Dan Arias)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Alas, everyone is a victim of their upbringing and their culture
(or subculture).  It colors their objective view of the world
as well as their subjective fears, fantasies, and dreams.
The recent presidential election is a good example of this.

When I was a kid in the Hispanic barios of East LA, I grew
up being inspired by guys like Chuck Yeager, Alan Shepard,
and Neil Armstrong.  At that time, GA was out of my reach
economically but also socially because the prevailing view
among the people I grew up with was that it was something
mysterious and somewhat frightening since there were no role
models in our group.  Becoming a pilot was my own little dream
and it often didn't pay to tell people this.  I had to be patient
and be content building and playing with styrene plastic models of
airplanes.

Now, many years later, I'm a yuppie engineer.  In my circles
people have gotten married and are starting to have kids.
Even though we are in roughly the same situation economically
most of my friends see flying as an extravagance.  I think
of it as a choice.  Different people value choices differently.
When I think about buying an airplane I've concluded that
it's about the same level of expense and committment as having
a kid (except that the kid will one day grow up and take care
of him or herself).  Right now, I just happen to believe that
the airplane is more important to me.  It's nice to have choices.

As to how to educate the public, I have an insidious plan.

For me, there were two things that made it possible to do GA:
I was inspired by tangible events, and I felt that I had the
means and the confidence to ultimately realize my dreams.
I've recently signed up to be a volunteer reading tutor to
grade school kids in Redwood City who are at risk of dropping
out of school.  (Commercial: This is a Project Read program run
out of libraries around the country like the Redwood City library.)
Our mission is to teach reading skills in a one-on-one situation
by showing how these skills relate to the student's interests
and goals.  My plan is use GA to help motivate these kids and
show them that they can do what we do--after all, you can't be
my co-pilot if you can't read me the checklist.

I think that if I do this with enough kids soon everyone will
be into GA and places like SQL and PAO will probably need their
own TCAs.

--Dan
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
From: doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay)
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Organization: NASA-Ames Biocomputation Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:47:44 GMT

>This attitude is common because, in general, the root belief is correct.
>In my opinion, pilots as a group have more disposable income than the average
>person.

I learned to fly when I was a graduate student. As a group grad students
are not known for wealth. My wife's income made a big difference, but it
really did come down to a matter of priorities. I have a neighbor that is
a common working person that owns a boat that cost as much as my airplane,
and we each spend about the same on maintaining our machines. He decided
that he enjoys his boat enough to give up other things. Me too.

Clearly people that cannot afford to eat generally do not get into aviation
on just a whim or by "economizing on other things." Aviation does require
money, but middle class rather than rich seems to be enough.

> Heck, after having
>had our first baby this year and buying a house

YOU ARE RICH ENOUGH TO BUY A HOUSE??????  THE OPINIONS OF THE FILTHY RICH
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NO BEARING ON THIS!!!!!!!! 


      :-)        just kidding, but perhaps you see my point. For years I
flew an airplane, and was called rich by people that owned houses here in 
California. You figure it. It really just backs up what others have said:
aviation is a priority for you or it is not. You spend your money accordingly.

I think the long slow approach is a good one to educate the public. Without 
being pushy or a braggart, I offer rides to people. Kids are the best. I never
make a point of the fact that it is my airplane, but I inform people that
are wide-eyed over the fact that I have an airplane that it cost the same as
a new car, and far less than many (most?) new cars. Most people think a plane
costs over $100,000. Sure, some do, but not mine.

David		doshay@soma.arc.nasa.gov

The thought police insist I tell you:
my thoughts, not NASA's
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Batteries & Damage Done...
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.211721.1600@src.honeywell.com> tima@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Timothy D Aanerud) writes:
>An airplane is not a automobile!  Study thy pilot's handbook.
>
>If you hand prop an Cessna's (probably a Piper too) with a dead battery,
>the battery will not be recharged by the alternator.

An alternator  will not charge a dead battery in a car either. The 
alternator requires field current from the battery.
From: dth@shark.cis.ufl.edu (David Hightower)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:58:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skydiving
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <lg35eqINNq3s@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>In article <pvf.721333462@diablo> pvf@alantec.com (Paul Fries) writes:
>
>>The only ripcord on most rigs is for the reserve. 
>
>
>You mean static lines are the norm now?  
>
>Geoff

Not that this pertains to rec.aviation, but.....

Except for military mass jumps ("STAND UP-HOOKUP-SHUFFLE TO THE DOOR")
the static line is only used for the first few student jumps.  In almost
all sport parachuting, you NEVER want to use the static line; no free
fall, no relative work, etc....

followups to rec.skydiving or /dev/null--your choice.

Dave

_________________________________________________________________________
Dave Hightower		|    opinion? I'm allowed to have an opinion?
dth@cis.ufl.edu		| well, if I DID have one, it'd be mine, all mine!
hightowr@cadre.af.mil   |              "Omnia Vincit Amour"
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From: robw@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk (Rob Wadsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Paragliding nr LA
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:59:49 GMT
Organization: Inmos Ltd

I have to spend a few weeks in California early in December.

I shall be staying in Agoura Hills which is a bit North of L.A.

Could anybody recommend any Para Gliding and/or Hang Gliding sites,
clubs or schools in the area ?


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From: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: MOTORGLIDER FOR SALE
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 


I am posting this for a friend:

For Sale:

        DG-400  Motorglider for Sale
        1985  390 TT Airframe 22 TT Engine.  Milar Seals, No Damage
        History.  Radio, Electric Vario.  Cobra Metal Trailer.
        Perfect condition.   $60,000 US

        Jim Stoia, Manning SC, USA  803-478-4763
                                                                                 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Peter Nyffeler ,x4399)
Subject: Re: mandatory transponders
Reply-To: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:18:28 GMT

Hi Geoff,

Of course it must be a marvellous idea for a government clerk, to be able, to control 
all the birds in the sky (1984 has passed already a long time ago).
But did he ever thought what a towplane with glider, or a bulk of 13 glider plus two 
eagles, all with switched on transponders, produces on the radar screen?

The regulation in Switzerland are for the moment:
Airspace92 classes A-D transponder mandatory except in CTR and for gliders.
It depends on ATC whether they allow a glider without transponder, to enter one of
those classes.
Up to 600m (2000ft) AGL class G
Up to 3500m (FL100) respectively 4600m (FL150) over the Alps class E
Up to 5950m (FL195) class D
Above class C.
And of course a lot of exceptions.

What would people do, if the trucker union claims all roads for themselves and prohibit all other people to use them?
It is exactly this, what civil aircraft authority are doing, when they make the laws 
for airspace use, as commercial and military users like to have.

	Peter Nyffeler (member of Soaring Club Zurich, Switzerland)
From: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (William Hodgeman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: SSA
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:55:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1drdukINNlhm
Reply-To: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


 Is anyone in this group a member of SSA?
 How would you rate their magazine, compared to something like
 Sport Aviation?  I would like to join, just for the magazine,
 but I don't want to spend all that money for a small
 magazine with b/w pictures.

Thanks in advance,

Bill Hodgeman   (hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: SSA
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 


>In article <1drdukINNlhm@uwm.edu> hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>>
>> Is anyone in this group a member of SSA?
>> How would you rate their magazine, compared to something like
>> Sport Aviation?  I would like to join, just for the magazine,
>> but I don't want to spend all that money for a small
>> magazine with b/w pictures.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Bill Hodgeman   (hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
>
>I'm afraid I don't rate soaring magazine (produced by the SSA) very mu
>at all.  It seems to be the house magazine of the "in crowd" with very
>little in teh way of reviews of new gliders etc.
>
>Many people rate the british magazine produced byy the BGA (sailplane
>gliding I think) much more highly
>
>--
>Steve Mc Robert

I disagree with this opinion of Soaring Magazine.  While it is not in the
same class as "Sport Aviation", it is still a good and worthwhile magazine for
soaring pilots.

> It seems to be the house magazine of the "in crowd"

While there is a small group of pilots who consistantly win contest that
appear in racing news, the magazine tries to provide something for people
interested in all areas of soaring... (racing, clubs, instruction,
motorgliders...etc).  As Soaring has no "staff writers" as such, it depends on
members to contribute news and articles.  If you are not satisfied with what
is published, then submit something yourself!  This is more productive
than criticism.

> with very little in the way of reviews of new gliders etc.

It is probably not news to anyone, but not many new gliders are being built.
And Soaring Magazine has published numerious flight test evaluations by Dick
Johnson.  Soaring made an effort to provide information on the new World Class
Design, and the American entry the Cygnet.

As was posted earlier, there are many other benifits of SSA membership than
jus the magazine.  Not the least of which is their lobbying efforts on the
FAA's NPRMs.

I reccomend both the SSA and Soaring magazine.

                                                        Guy Ford Byars






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