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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: little known movie
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Owen And Ben
Keywords: knows bo, loves kids, etc...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:34:13 GMT

In article <66250@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Just being curious, exactly where in Return of the Jedi is it made clear that
>Owen and Ben brothers?  I can't even recall Owen and Beru being referred to
>anywhere after ANH.  The closest would be when Luke speaks of being born on
>Tatooine and Han tells him that since he'll die here too, it's pretty 
>convenient.  But I don't remember Uncle Owen.
>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu

Well, Ben never said that Owen was his brother in the movie.  But take a
walk with me if you will down library lane...

	"Ben continued his narrative.  "When you father left, he didn't
	 know your mother was pregnant.  Your mother and I knew he would
	 find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as
	 possible.  So I took you to live with my brother Owen on 
	 Tatooine...and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of
	 Senator Organa, on Alderaan."

There you go, so now you know...and knowing is half the battle!!! *8)

	--Jerry



-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Administrivia
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:18:17 GMT


In a previous article, ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu () says:

>		Well, now that this appears to be an established, interesting
>and lively list, would anyone be interested in joining me in going to
>news.groups (or wherever the appropriate place is) and making the list
>moderated? It'd cut down on the bandwidth-wasting SW vs. (insert something neat
>here) discussions, and would make it so that the FAQ list would be posted
>regularly... a *real* help to occasional readers like myself. (I don wanna haf
>to wade thru 80 bazillion messages during the school year just to look for that
>one post. =( ) 

BAD CHRIS.  BAD ... BAD ... CHRIS.

Slap yourself on the hand.

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly decry this call for
official moderation.  First of all, I wonder if anyone could keep up
with it, second of all, the immediate response allows discussions to
get interesting, and third of all, if you don't like a thread, just
use a kill file, zap command, whatever.

Now.  As for finding the FAQ, you can either use a search command or,
and I think that this is not unreasonable, we could petition to creat
rec.arts.sf.starwars.info.

If y'all are interested in THAT, I'd moderate it if ya wanted.  An
info-type board wouldn't tax my moderation time too much, I think.

What do y'all think?

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             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Speeder Bikes
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:08:45 GMT

a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
: 	I'm just curious as to how Luke and Leia suddenly became world-, err,
: galaxy-class speeder bike pilots :-)

Are you kidding? Luke used to bulls-eye womp rats at 10,000 mph
going through Beggar's Canyon...

Wait a minute, he's the one who fell off...

:)

Scott


Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Leia's Character
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.071805.12132@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg) writes:
>Is it me or was the character of Princess Leia much better in
>ANH and TESB than in RotJ?  I thought she softened up too much in
>RotJ.  What about all of you?

Well, this may be my general distaste for RotJ showing up, but I honestly
thought that practically _all_ of the characters were better in ANH and 
especially ESB when compared with RotJ.  The best part about Leia in the
first two films was that she was really fiery and opinionated.  I don't feel
like she had any good ideas or strong opinions in RotJ, and most of her
dialogue made me cringe:  "...I know.  Somehow, I've always known."  Blaaachk.


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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.182809.26747@access.usask.ca> julie@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>
>	Okay, maybe you folks can clear something up for me...
>
>	Fett is an expressionless armored character with almost no lines and 
>a single good guess that allowed him to follow the Falcon in ESB.  How did such
>a non-character get such a large following?  Is there something I missed?  Just
>wondering...
>

I dunno.  He had a really cool outfit.  --- And a WAY COOL 12" action figure!
If I remember, the doll had a hole drilled through its head, like the older
Six Million Dollar Man toy.  

Wasn't he also in a tv special animated cartoon way way back when?  Is this thing
available on tape anywhere?


--
Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
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From: lucas@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Huma Dragonbane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:38:40 GMT
Organization: Knights of Solamnia, Order of the Crown

In article <BszM9K.3J1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mjs49101@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Martin ) writes:
>
>>No way. Those worms are way big. They'd easily munch the AT-ATs.
>All they'd have to do is hose 'em and the worms are history.

Sorry ta' bust yer bubble but that be not the case! Picture this:

(The desert, squad of five AT-AT's or something clomping along,
 searching for the Fremen)

WORMS RISE OVER THE HORIZON, ATRACTED BY THE RYTHMIC WALKING OF THE
AT-AT!!!! THEY FIRE LASERS ONLY ANGERING THE WORMS!!! (worms are
HUGE after all!) THE WORMS BEGAN TO ATTACK AND THE AT-AT's attempt
TO RUN IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT......

Suddenly from below ground, <KAAAAAABBBBBOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!> AT-ATs
are swallowed by worm from below!!!! The end

Now in space, it's another matter since Guild ships didn't seem to
have affective armament, although the later No-Ships did. 

But on the ground....... People like Miles Teg would wipe out
everyone! They'd kill Luke before he had the chance to use the
force!


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: The Star Wars that could have been
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:19:46 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:56:29 GMT, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) said:


tlg4> In a previous article, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) says:

>Luke and Darth Vader were to have a lightsaber duel aboard the Rebel
>Blockade Runner, soon after Vader captured the ship. Luke would be
>wearing a kind of breathing mask, since the attack on the ship caues
>the air supply to escape. Also Vader carried a blaster along with the
>lightsaber.

tlg4> Then there was definitely a plot change, since Luke was never ON
tlg4> the Blockade runner.  Are you sure it's not the Death Star?

The caption under the picture specifically states aboard the Rebel 
Blockade Runner. 
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: SW Price Guide
Date: 20 Aug 1992 11:22:12 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

	For any of you familiar with the TOMARK Action Figure Price Guide,
the newest supplement has just been shipped. It's totally devoted to Star
Wars action figures and related collectables. You probably can pick it up
at a well stocked comic shop or collectables shop.


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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:38:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars

	
	The script writer goofed....

	3PO was NOT protecting the princess (by lying to Luke) otherwise
	he would have not gotten on R2-D2's case for not playing the
	message.  It is possible that he didn't actually know what
	she looked like... but that would be an unnecessary twist that would
	not have been written in by the writers in the first place....

	They just blew it.  It happens.

	-Mike-
From: tmkst6+@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Movie
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:01:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug12.212429.4742@ecl.psu.edu> clf@ecl.psu.edu writes:

>Yes, I favor the Empire to those pitiful rebels.
>I'm sure that in some alternate universe the Empire destroyed the rebel base
>in the first movie and live happily ever after.
>
>SS

	What!!??  Is this for real??!!  I can't believe this!!  I should've
guessed, though - you do go to Penn St.  
	Really, though, "pitiful rebels"?  You sound like the Emperor.  
I suppose that is the effect you are after though.  
	Please tell me that you forgot to put some smilies there.  
	Hey, Are you allowed to side with the Empire here?  Should there
be a r.a.s.evil_people.the_empire?  
	


		TEd
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dying styles .....
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:21:09 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug8.213332.7831@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>In article <9222201.2170@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:
>>
>>	
>>	I'm new here, so just a few questions...
>>
>>	1) Is Darth Vader a Jedi?
>
>My interpretation is that Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side, becoming
>Darth Vader before he ever became a Jedi.

I'm fairly sure that Anakin Skywalker was a Jedi.  Without books or a
portable video recorder, I can't give any quotes to back this up, except
for one I'm fairly sure of from ROTJ:
Luke: "I am a Jedi - like my father before me."

Of course, this does not answer the question of whether Darth Vader was a
Jedi. :-)  (I.e. was he a dark Jedi?  Can such creatures exist?)

>
>>	3) How come Ben disappeared when he died? Only his robe
>>	   remained, but not the body? Is this the "dying style"
>>	   of a Jedi? (provided he's one)
>
>I kind of think so.  They merge with the Force or something.  There has been
>a lot of discussion recently about why Anakin did _not_ vanish when he died...
>I don't have anything to add to the discussion on this, but anyone interested
>might want to look at some previous posts.

Who says Anakin did not vanish?  Sure, his armour remained, as did Ben's
and Yoda's robes.  So did anything else mechanical, which probably means
most of what was inside the armour.  IMHO the cremation was symbolic -
destroying all that was left of Darth Vader.  Or maybe the destruction of
the armour was necessary in order to fully purge the evil of Vader,
so that Anakin Skywalker could take his place with Yoda and Ben.

I'm just waiting for the Emperor to come back. :-)

Incidentally, was Ben, alias Obi-Wan, alias O. B. 1, a clone?

-- 
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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: movie posters available
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:55:24 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <36742@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>ok...this mite not be the correct group, if it is..great. If it isn't..
>deal with it.
>
>here in beautiful gainesville florida exists a company that specializes
>in movie posters. I recently requested from them a catalog of their
>wares, and there were a nummber of SW, ESB, ROJ posters.
>
>These are apparently original and most are rolled, not folded. They claim
>to have original Revenge of the Jedi 1 sheets available. But I haven't
>called them back yet.
>

I'd make sure that they are authentic.  I've been collecting movie posters
for some time, and you need to beware of what some people might tell you is
"authentic".  A company in in California has been re-printing famous posters,
including the SW line for some time.  Sanoma Portal I think.  Anyway, these
posters measure slightly smaller than the standard one-sheet(27 1/2 X 41).
Also, the authentic issues usually have a National Screen Service warning
that the poster is not to be given away or sold, and must be destroyed or
shipped back after display.  Sometimes there are some other marks, such as
a style of the poster(ex. STYLE A ONE-SHEET)and some numbers(usually in the
format 245/1944- I heard that this mean it is the 245th release of the year
following)   The Portal issues don't have these markings.  My advise is to
ask if they are actual NSS issues or Portal re-prints, and I'd get some
exact measurements as well.

Glenn.............
---
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University of Texas at San Antonio
College of Business Student Microcomputer Lab
HB 3.01.04  (512)691-4586
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:46:26 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Administrivia

In article <1992Aug11.171907.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
says:
>
>and lively list, would anyone be interested in joining me in going to
>news.groups (or wherever the appropriate place is) and making the list
>moderated? It'd cut down on the bandwidth-wasting SW vs. (insert something
>neat
>here) discussions, and would make it so that the FAQ list would be posted
>regularly... a *real* help to occasional readers like myself. (I don wanna haf
>to wade thru 80 bazillion messages during the school year just to look for
>that
>one post. =( )
>                So if you're interested, e-mail me (rather than clog the list)
>and in about a week or so I'll tell you guys if there's an overwhelming call
>to
>keep this unmoderated or go thru the hassle of getting a moderator and
>USENETting one into existence.

Uh...very bad idea.  If you cant keep up with all the posts, thats too bad,
but for those of us that can, or would like to, at least allow us to.  There's
no reason you should limit us to what you (or whoever else would moderate)
thinks is appropriate for display.

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Just who is Owen anyway?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:32:47 GMT
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) says:

>Well, Vader didn't even know that he had any kids until he met Luke.  Why
>not "hide" Luke here?

That's not the impression I got.  I think he knew he had a son, otherwise
he would have been making one heck of a leap of faith when he came to
that conclusion just based on the fact that he felt strongly about it.

Vader would have had to have been long gone soon after getting Arcadia
preggers in order to not know he had kids.

(Note:  While I have never considered FOTR canon, I have always found
it easier to call her "Arcadia" than Luke's and Leia's mother.)



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             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: queue@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rob Roy)
Subject: Re: Ignoring Canon and other Silly Mistakes
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:28:25 GMT

Hey, I get to use my sig now.

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 they don't have the same last name."             =  queue@wpi.wpi.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: request for opening text - Here is is
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:29:45 GMT


In a previous article, goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) says:

>Yes, you're right!  I just love, though, the way it scrolled off into
>the distance.  Was that done by moving the lettering, moving the
>camera, or someother 1970's technology?
>
>

I had HEARD that they laid out the lettering on a driveway and 
moved the camera from there, but I don't believe it.  (I might
have been thinking about Hardware Wars, for one thing ...)

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Carrie Fisher
Date: 16 Aug 92 05:19:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug15.221923.680
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <9222902.28047@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:

>
>	I don't know if I've spelt her name right, but anyway you know
>	who I'm talking about.
>
>	She ain't bad looking in all the 3 Starwars movies, but was
>	she a co-actress in "When Harry Met Sally", if so, that really
>	surprised me! I can't say I found much of a resemblence of this
>	Carrie Fisher to the one in Starwars!
>
>	Can anyone confirm this?
>
>
>May thy fortunes go with thee.
>
>Darren				 dyko@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au 
>***************************************************************************
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>DISCLAIMER : Huh? Who wrote this?


Well, yeah, you did spell her name correct, but I did not see Harry Met
Sally (maybe someday soon) but would be interested in knowing this. I know
she wrote "Postcards from the edge" and another novel....if that is of
interest to anyone....

Dave
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ignoring Canon and other Silly Mistakes
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:54:41 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <m-ayn!_@rpi.edu> caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes:
>
>Bushwa.  Recall, if you will, (in both movie AND book) Vader tells the
>bounty hunters that he doesnt care if theyre brought back alive *or* dead,
>but that he wants *proof* that theyve been dealt with.  i.e., disintegration,
>since it scatters your atoms to the winds, obliterates any proof that you've
>been dealt with.

I don't want to be picky but Vader wanted Han, Chewie, and Leia ALIVE in the 
film.
	"You are free to use any methods necassary but I want them ALIVE,
	no disintigrations."-Vader.

-- 
Josh Ling   
Trilogist Extrodinaire     
joshuali@usc.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:28:22 GMT

In article <mumble> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:

>I have the Fall of the Rebublic  story treatment and it tells nothing except
>the origins of Darth Vader.
>
>It doesn't take a genius to notice that they have the same last name
>(Antillies), and the time differnce between the two trilogies would make him
>the father.  
>
>To the answer where I get this, I have my sources.  I have followed George
>Lucas work ever since Star Wars release in '77.

I hope you aren't talking about that crappy piece of fan fiction
trying to pass itself off as a script by Lucas that occasionally shows
up in convention dealer rooms and on Usenet.


-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."