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Topic: INSLAW & MORE:pt 6

Bobbie Riconosciuto speaks out

Part 6

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:44:12 PST
From: Paul Franklin <pfranklin@igc.apc.org>

Date: December 11, 1992
Place: Public Forum, Louden Nelson Center, Santa Cruz, California.

     The following information is excerpted from a presentation after
     the break that followed 1.5 hours of lecture from radio
     personality and historian Dave Emery, speaking on Nazism and
     Fascism.

     With whatever energy you have left to support our country's
     disintegrating democracy, I implore you to read this and act on
     it. --pfranklin

(Member of audience) Just a quick question to Virginia, how large
is the Cabazon Indian tribe and how large was it at the beginning
of all this?

Virginia: Seventeen hundred acres sitting on virtually all the
water that supplies Indio and Palm Springs.  The Coachilla Valley
water district is the key there, and the tribe was 17 members
until there began a struggle...

Bobbie: The sister tribe, don't forget the sister tribe

Virginia: The sister tribe was brought in because...

Bobbie: They needed more votes.

Virginia: Linda Streeter wanted to find out who killed her
brother and his two friends and she started garnering support
within their own tribe.  Once it became clear the Nichols family
would lose, the committee that controlled the tribe, they began
bringing in Indians that nobody ever heard of before, from the
sister tribes.  Several interesting people are controlling the
gambling on those tribes.

Bobbie: Yes, they are, but we don't want to talk about them
tonight because we have my five-year-old child here and we want
to go home.

Dave: Let me jump in for just a second.  It's 9:30 now, which is
the official time for the conclusion of the talk, we do have the
room until 10:00.  What we could do, now just to make a long
story short, in a sense, what you are seeing with Bobbie's
situation is the present, and this is a graphic illustration of
the development of the historical process of evolution that I've
been outlining, where, in a nutshell it's going to be going in
the future is the increasing use of technology to affect this
kind of control, where people can no longer have there will
coerced, they will simply be physically coerced using various
kinds of technology.  What I thought might be interesting at this
point would be for those of you who have questions, either Bobbie
can relate more information.  For those of you who have questions
for either Bobbie or Virginia, you can ask them questions ...
Virginia, why don't you be the moderator ...

Virginia: Gee, this gentleman over here.

Thank you.  I've only recently been introduced to your radio
show, but like tonight, and during your radio show you give a lot
of information, and you give it in a style as if it's inevitable
that these things are happening and that's very distressing to me
- the information alone is distressing enough.  I was really
hoping that you were going to somehow cap this with "you can do
this and this and this" or "here are some directions you can go."
Do you have anything to offer us, either, any of you?

Bobbie: I do, but I ...

Dave: Why don't you go first because I have a - in a sense
(muffled) I don't know if you caught the very beginning of the
talk when I was sort of schmoozing ahead of time - time bottom
line is, in this world, is the only person you can be sure of
controlling is yourself.  People say, "Will things get better?"
Things don't get better or worse, people make them better or
worse, either actively or passively.  The bottom line is, if
things are going to improve, a lot of people are going to have to
get involved and stay involved, even at the risk of placing
themselves in jeopardy.  Otherwise, the situation is going to get
worse.
     The bottom line is you cannot control anyone but yourself,
and there are times when I feel discouraged and distressed,
believe me, this stuff does not set me to doing the varsity rag.
I've been doing the academic research for 20 years, and I've been
on the front lines broadcasting it for 13 plus at this stage of
the game, but when I get discouraged and I feel like just
chucking it and saying "Hey, why don't I just go for the bucks,"
and like I say, you know, experiencing a strategically and
conveniently timed mid-life crises, which is what (muffled) a
Madison Avenue executive or a commercial broadcaster or (muffled)
I think about the end result of the process.  Just imagine Adolf
Hitler in possession of 21st century technology in control of the
world and ask yourself: is that the kind of world you want to
live in?  Because it's the kind of world you're going to be
living in unless you do what you can to alter the situation.
     The only thing you can be sure of is affecting yourself.  At
the same time, by way of being optimistic, most people are
passive in terms of political involvement.  Ronald Reagan, who
affected such huge changes in this country was elected by 26% of
the eligible voters.  The flip side of apathy is that those
people who do decide to become involved can have a
disproportionately great influence precisely because most people
are sitting back on their ever-lovin's - that's the best I can do
to be optimistic.

Bobbie: I think that you can be very optimistic.  You have a lot
of choices, you know, it isn't over 'till it's over.  I'm not
ready to give in the towel, okay?  I'm not ready for that.  I
fully expect that my children will exercise what few rights they
have left.  They will open their mouth and they will keep it
open.  I'm real; this is my life (points to daughter, Elizabeth)
right here.  Were not, you know, out here somewhere, "Oh, isn't
that awful what happened to that woman that time."  No, this is
really happening, and it could happen to you, it could happen to
the people next door to you.  I could definitely say that my
children's friends from school are very [surprised].  "Well gee,
no wonder they didn't want to talk about things very much."
     There are lots of things you can do, you just have to keep
doing what you can do, whatever is before you to do, do that, and
do it until something changes.  Don't stop, don't shut up.  If
you stand together, then this doesn't happen as often, okay?
That's one thing that I know for a fact.  When Virginia and I and
all those other mommies, and Rae Russbacher, and all of the
people whose loved ones are effectively political prisoners in
this country.  Michael was in Terminal Island on the same floor
with five people, that he knew, that had something to do Navel
Intelligence, CIA - all the same operations, okay, all went down
on different things, and they're there forever, you know?  It
just kind of surprises me that it's possible, but it's only
possible if you let it keep being possible.  Do something about
it, open your mouth.


I'm just wondering why some of you are allowed to speak out, and
some of, like Danny Casolaro (and) Spiro (are not).

Virginia: Danny Casolaro, can I answer that?

Bobbie: Go ahead, bear in mind just a few little things (body
language expresses concern for daughter).

Virginia: Talking in very careful terms, certain things are still
taboo.  The most taboo among those is a flight that brought down
200 students - Flight 103 over Lockerabie.  The source of
payments [was BCCI] (muffled) been published ... It ruined the
Riconosciuto's Christmas.  Many of the people currently in jail
were members of the McKee team or members of the controlled drug
drop authorized by the United Stated Government into United
States cities through the Lebanon Valley in order to ingratiate
American operatives to garner information about the hostages in
Lebanon.  There was a series of bombings in Lebanon that took out
a series of American infiltrators.
     Ian Spiro, if you've been listening to the Emery show was an
operative between Ollie North and Terry Waite.  The book that has
been published recently that probably blew Spiro's cover, that
probably caused his family's death, is one called "Terry Waite
and Ollie North," the inside story of the Lebanon hostages, by
Gavin Hewitt.  Con Coughlin, another English reporter, has one
coming out called "Hostage" who also blew the cover of Spiro,
normally called Stewart by other CIA operatives, this gentleman
was a member of the McKee team.  In the European press, if you've
been reading in the European press, they claim that he might have
been a double agent who ... not true, not true, might have been a
double agent who turned the McKee team.  The McKee team was
coming back to expose George Bush and the revelations that you're
now reading in the press.  It was necessary to take them out.
     They were paid with BCCI unsigned travelers cheques, and
according to Michael, when the Lockerabie crash came down, manna
rained from heaven, over a million dollars in cash.  I thought
that was ridiculous when I first talked to Michael, so he gave me
a number in Lockerabie to call, you all can call it, it still
exists.  You can call up Lockerabie, Scotland, and they have a 24
hour number that answers just for that crash that occurred in
1988.  They'll talk to you, but when I mentioned to them "I want
to talk to you about the million dollars in unsigned travellers
cheques" it came down in a briefcase ... I got a "One moment
please."  The next voice on the line was Scotland Yard: "What do
[you] know about it?"

Dave: By way of illustrating to a certain extent about what
you're talking about and the question you answered, at the time
the Lockerabie crash occurred, extracts of my program were being
aired Monday through Friday morning drive time on WBAI New York,
which is the Pacifica station in New York, so it was going all
over the tri-state area.  This continued for not quite a year and
a half.
     What caused, in my opinion, the precipitous cancellation of
that program, again, these were some of the archive shows, which
I cut down into 15 minute overlapping extracts ...  Within three
weeks of the Lockerabie bombing I'd presented my analysis of that
in combination with other events, I called it Radio Free America
#35, The December Surprise, the politics of terror and the
exoneration of the Secret Team, in which I fingered, from the
press clippings of the time, and the McKee team was on of them,
their demise was one of the key elements I fingered, the probable
culprits as that faction of US intelligence which was actively
collaborating with middle eastern terrorists including Monzer Al-
Kazzar, who is working for a faction of US intelligence.  The
McKee team had discovered this working cooperation in which we
were (muffled) and even abetting his drug smuggling and terrorist
support activities in exchange for his assistance in arming the
Contras and other things, ostensibly looking for the hostages, in
all probability other things as well, or even more importantly.
     The Interfor report, the Habib (sp?) report, which was
released to the public in October of 1989, about nine months
after I first gave my analysis, backed up my analysis to a tee.
This is not to blow my horn, but rather, I had that on WBAI
(during the) Monday morning drive time all over the New York
area, which is pretty high visibility for this kind of stuff.  A
new management came into WBAI and I finished the series that I
was doing on Pan Am 103 bombing, the December Surprise concluded
on Friday.  The following Tuesday, the public affairs director of
WBAI issued a secret memorandum which he didn't even leak to the
person who was baby-sitting the tapes canceling the program
effective that following Friday, which in radio, that's unheard
of.  It's like the equivalent of a vaudeville hook, it was
canceled like that.  If you've ever been in radio, things aren't
done like that, that's extraordinary.

continued in part 7...


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