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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:34:37 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.030720.28101@netcom.com>
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.010738.14964@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Howard, you curmugeon you, did I say Strauss was my All?
>>Good heavens, there's Mozart, the greatest of all.  If by
>>bel canto you mean the drear of Bellini and Rossini, I shall
>>be content to let you think ill of me, alas.  I would not
>>exactly despise Verdi either.  And I think everyone who
>>doesn't know opera should start with Butterfly (and a lot of
>>patience).

>Recognising the aesthetic superiority of bel canto and grand
>opera that selflessly leaks through the alpine passes towards
>the teutons makes me a 'curmudgeon'? 

I concede it was extreme.

>I was simply deducing
>that you and Clay were tastes akin. 

About Richard Strauss, we are, but don't ask about certain
other Teutons.

>I stand corrected!  I am as Tamino discovering that the
>moral universe was quite the reverse of what he expected...

Dies Bildnis ist bezaubernd schoen.  Ich fuehl' es!

>Don't "follow your bliss." If you "follow your bliss," you will either
>collide with someone else's bliss or you will fall into a deep hole.
>
>				-from 'The Anti-Campbell'

Despite a liking for Campbell, I love this quote!

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:05:52 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>So if Citibank has to raise its credit card interest
>rates you'll know it's to cover equipment replacement
>and it's all *your* fault.

*I* cause inflation! Cool! Does this mean I get a discount?

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
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From: bcapps@atlastele.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: No on 9 - Concord measure M revisited
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:42:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.174004.15990@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>>This does not hide or excuse the bigotry, of course, and you're right,
>>the parallels with Oregon are downright spooky.  But there is one
> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>>important difference: in Concord the local bigots were running an
>>entire slate of candidates for public office called the Straight Slate
>>(exactly like Springfield, in fact).
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Huh?  Want to try that again?  :-)

In Springfield the OCA ran a whole slate of candidates for public
office to coincide with the passage of City Ordinance 109-A, including
the Right Obnoxious Mr. Ralf Walters for City Councilman and Loretta
Neet for a spot on the city's Human Rights Commission.  Both won.

In retrospect I can see where my original post was unclear.  I meant to say
the parallels between Concord and Springfield are strong, but between Concord
and OR 9 they are a little weaker because the OCA isn't fielding a statewide
slate of candidates in the case of 9.

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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:45:37 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Chuck Fisher writes:

>was discussion on just how obnoxious some of Mr. Melmon's postings had
>been and how it was tarnishing Apple's image in the community.  It was

Oh, please.  This sounds like something right out of that cheap rag,
"The San Jose Murky News".  The whole of Usenet is obnoxious -- whose
image should we gasp about now?
-- 
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i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: My God! Less than a week away!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:09:56 GMT

hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

>In article <1OCT92.15043174@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>No no no no no no no!  Twee cannot be experienced in just five minutes!
>>Why just the subtleties in textures and flavors could keep one busy for
>>hours, even days.  The color variations are spectacular!  And such
>>delicious aroma!

Thank you. Take it from someone who understands, people.

>    OH.  Isn't little JD a veritable *concentrate* of just these
>    things? 

EXACTLY! Such is my blessing and my curse. I must be careful *not* to
unleash my aura upon my lovers (or customers, as the case may be) all
at once, because uncontrolled exposure to max-twee is unfailingly fatal.
To that end, I have mastered the art of 'time-release twee'. Takes
years.

>>I suggest personal research into the subject.  Five minutes indeed.
>><tsk> <tsk>
>>
>     Oh dear, where do I *start*?

Well, will that be Visa or Mastercharge?

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:26:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Pookie. My first experience with that name was from _Victor Victoria_
>way back when. I had a boyfriend at the time who had an unendearing
>love of calling me pookie while pulling out chest hairs (ouch!).
>(Does anybody else remember this? Didn't she say something like
>"Oh pokie, it like *pow*", while pulling his chest hairs out?)

"KiiiIIIIiing.  POOOOOOOOOkie!   I'm horny."

"Women are lucky.  They can fake it.  Not that i've ever had to with you.
With you it's always been, like, pow, Pow, POW!  That is, until now.  Now
King, you shouldn't let it get you, if you pardon the expression, down.  Lots
of men...  What are you doing with the soap?"

She should have won the Academy Award.

"WAIT!!  Lock the door..."

D.
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:47:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct5.164745.18472
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <ld0q73INN8n2@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>|> Why should there be any?  If someone walked up to you on the
>|> street, slapped you in the face and said, "DAMN, you're an ugly
>|> sonofabitch!" would your first reaction be to *LAUGH*?
>
>Okay, I will try and answer this in a rational fashion.  The difference
>between what you are saying here and what gets you riled concerning 
>shaving, is that every time shaving is mentioned, your first posting
>is a rant against it.  You come in fighting.  You are already riled
>before anyone says anything to you personally.  Usually, you enter the
>fight insulting people who might want to shave themselves (for whatever
>reason).

Thank you, Jeff.

>I like being shaved.  I also like hairy men.  Beard are hot, shaved heads
>are hot, shaved bodies are hot, hairy bodies are hot.  Why do you take
>it personally when someone says "shaved bodies are hot"?

Thank you, Jeff.  Do you think this will make any difference?

(OK, I still think the Max Montoya shaving scene in "Max Makes it Big"
is the dasysophile's equivalent of a snuff film, but that's MY problem.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:01:35 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Rod 'The-Measure-of-All-Men' Williams (rjwill6@PacBell.COM) wrote:
 
> > jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> >
> > Der Ring des Nibelungen.  Fuck the patience.
> 
> ...and the horse she rode in on.  Ho-jo-to-hooooooo and awaaaaay...

...and out on as well.  You bring the lighter
fluid, I've got the matches.  It's immolation time!

Aha!  BUT, do you know the NAME of the horse?

--jns  [straight-acting opera seeks same for
        sprechstimme and poker]
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fun! Joan Crawford Recipes!
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:10:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Sep27.101045.10179
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Sep25.234152.24081@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk 
   (Roger Phillips) writes:
> In article <19vmhkINNb4j@mizar.usc.edu>,
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) boasts:
>> ... my 34 year old baby brother Jeff
>> ... knows not the slightest thing about Lily Pons
> 
> So, what *are* Lily Pons, anyway?

     It is a wrinkle removing night creme, developed from the pods of the Cabal
Lilly.

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From: obermark@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Jon Obermark)
Subject: Re: The Origins of Idioms for Homosexuals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:51:44 GMT

>lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>Does anyone know any?  This is what I know ...
>>Faggot:  As far as I can tell, a faggot originally meant a bunch of sticks tied  
>>together ... (?)
>>Gay:  Used to (and still does for me) mean happy and joyous ...
>>Queer:  ?
>>Pederaste (French):  It looks like this word identifies homosexuals with  
>>pedophilia.  Don't you find that just a LITTLE inaccurate?

>You can find most of these in recent dictionaries.  The one whose origin
>is most obscure is "faggot".  My *guess* is that it is an arbitrary
>lengthening (suggested by the standard word) of "fag", and that "fag"
>acquired that meaning from the sense "British schoolboy appointed as a
>servant to an older boy" (the services required sometimes being sexual).
>*That* word, I believe, was originally a shortening of "fatigue" (cf.
>the military sense).

I have heard two better guesses.  Ther first comes from Witches, the
second from Partridge's Dictionary of Slang.

The guess from Witches, who sometimes include it in those heartrending
quasihistories of the period of burnings (of people their tradition is 
NOT descended from, and with whom they have little in common, (but that
is beside the point)) notes that "faggots" in the original refers to 
burning material, something which faggots in the derived sense have 
often been.

Partridge traces the current usage of faggot to an older British use.
Evidently since circa 1600 the word 'faggot' refered to 'baggage' in
some dialects (something lugged like firewood?) and women and children
(being seen as impedimentia to men?) were called after various types 
of baggage. In the English public school environment, almost all 
derogatives of women were adopted for 'servant' boys, and thus many were 
later used on homosexual men.

Both of these are a bit less of a stretch ('fatigue' indeed!) than the
original suggestion.  I like to believe the former, probably for the
same reason Witches like to tell the stories in the first place, it has
a certain historical romance.  But Partridge is usually pretty good.  
(But as I type this my eyes scan up the page and I notice that Partridge's
primary definition of 'fag-hag' is "a woman who smokes"  so I can't put 
absolute faith in the man.)

                                                Jay Obermark
>Joe  jcf@world.std.com
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:33:09 GMT
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <1992Sep28.151510.3349@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>My aunt (my mother's sister), and no one else, used to call me "Pookie".
>I never figured out why,
>
You mean why no one else did?

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:40:05 GMT

In article <1aak8fINN96a@gap.caltech.edu> pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter 
Hazewindus) writes:
>fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>>Yeah, fj!, we were just talking about that yesterday at an unofficial cabal
>>>meeting.  Your adoring fans await you!
>>
> 
>At the same meeting, there was a persistent rumor that you are a small
>person (causing Jack to write your name in lower-case and lose a bang).

No, no, I was using a diminutive to show friendly affection. 

No, wait, I thought he had more than his share of banging already. 

Me, make a mistake in someone's name?  Never. 


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From: jeff@sporty.col.oh.us (Jeff Anderson)
Subject: Re: Flu season is coming
Organization: J.A. Anderson & Company, Columbus, OH US
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:51:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.010549.13754@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>A reminder: flu season is coming up.  This year's flu shots are now
>available. 

Everybody I know who has ever had a flu shot came down with the flu two
or three weeks later.  I think I'll pass!

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Support?
Keywords: apology
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:21:38 GMT

In article <1agojbINNbrk@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>One doesn't have to be *martyred* to be a saint, does one?

No.  You can become a saint by living a saintly life -- self-sacrifice and
all that. 

An advantage of martyrdom is that it happens all at once at the end,
instead of being stretched out over a lifetime.  

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:00:18 GMT

harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) kindly deletes most of BBC's
post so's I don't have to do it (bad editor, you know):

>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>	Of course others like John Dorrance fall into the 
>>e-young, etc..

This bothers me (mildly, dear, never fear); that I joke a lot doesn't
necesssarily mean that I'm any younger at heart than anyone else. How
are we defining 'young' and 'old' here? Is bounciness and frivolity
indicative (cashing in on the big words for a higher e-age) of
'youngness', while wisdom and gravity indicative of 'oldness'?

John, wondering if he isn't just letting society's 'youth=femininity=bad/
age=masculinity=good' conundrum (Ooh! tack another 6 months on there!)
get to him

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Motssers in history
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:58:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct2.075802.3074
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Lutibelle Fan Club, Portland

You'll also find a poem of Mr. Crew's titled "A Gay Psalm from Fort
Valley" in an anthology of lesbigay poetry titled "Gay and Lesbian
Poetry in our Time", ed. Carl Morse and Joan Larkin. (it's a terrific
anthology, btw, and I normally don't like reading poetry).

I thought about trying to put together a list of motssers who have had
things published. It would be an interesting tribute to the talent we
have on our fair newsgroup. I thought about it when I started running
into things written bythe person with initials of a postal code next
to mine, as well as another person whose initials are to the east (and
was responsible for implementing something whose successor falls
between the postal code of ANOTHER state).

But then I started thinking some more and realized that a list of
published motssers would be quite large.

ObInnuendo - "Thorn-in-the-Flesh"?!
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sex Pumps (was Re: demuffining)
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:57:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.175144.23060@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
  <1992Sep30.141507.24593@fig.citib.com>

Greg Parkinson asks:
>R`nR gave me one of these vacuum things but it doesn't
>seem to seal at the base.  Is it true I would have to
>shave down there to get it work?  *Somebody* here must
>know......  I

Forget the razor.  You just have to use enough of the right
kind of lubricant to form a seal.  This does get a bit messy,
I concede.

[This from infrequent encounters with a friend's "toys".]
 
() Experts are people who learn more and more about less and
() less, until eventually they either know everything about
() nothing or nothing about everything.
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:06:04 GMT

In article <12573@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.173122.15439@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>> fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands) writes:
>> >h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
># #|   They want to scrap all non-
># #| discrimination laws and then make the bogus claim that the "free market"
># #| will turn out to be non-discriminatory.
># 
># 	Right.  But of course that's assuming the free market is
># disposed to be rational.  Which it isn't.  Exampe to follow.
># 
># #I know of no libertarians who make such a claim.  Libertarians will claim
># #that a market imposes costs on discrimination... for example, a bus company
># #that forces blacks to sit on the back of the bus will lose ridership
># #unless the government requires all bus companies to do likewise.
>
>As was required in many Southern states -- the liberal enthusiasm
>for regulation was used to suppress competition in this area.
>
># 	Ah!  And now the example.
># 
># 	Query:  Where do all the people who opt not to ride the
># bus go?  What if the bus is their only mode of available xportation?
># What if all the bus companies have the same policy?  (This was
># of course common in the 1950's and before, so there is *ample*
># "real life" examples to back this up.)
>
>In the case of Rosa Parks, the bus company was GOVERNMENT OWNED.
>That's why there were no discrimination costs.  But of course,
>that's what the homosexual fascist lobby wants -- government
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ownership of everything -- and then they wonder why discrimination
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>continues.

Can you provide evidence of this? Do you have
material/files/whatever that can lend some credence to your
statement? This was not sarcastic nor hostile. This is a call
for information...iff you have it....then maybe you would
consider posting it or Emailing it to me.....
>
># BBC
>
>
>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>Bush: War on Drugs, tax cut->bigger deficit.  Clinton: War on Drugs, spending
>increase->bigger deficit.  What a great choice.
Len

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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fun! Joan Crawford Recipes!
Keywords: hiking, bear country
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:41:53 GMT

elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> Arne once saw:
> >... my best friend in 4th and 5th grades, Mike Braverman ...
> >"waterproofing" his hiking boots.  What Miracle Product was he
> >using?  Something from Monsanto, perhaps?  Maybe some
> >ScotchGuard?  *NO*!  He was smearing *bacon* *grease* all
> >over his boots.  He learned that in the Cub Scouts.
> 
> One way to attract bears, I suppose.

one question- DID IT WORK?

(sound of bear taking notes....)
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: fun!  more recipes!
Keywords: butch, spinach, garlic, virgin mary
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:53:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep25.213635.9651@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>nor would i
>entirely trust the advice about "what to do in case of hydrogen or
>cobalt bomb attack".  caveat lector.

I was surprised to learn that the government did a study of the effect of
H-bombs (less butch than C-bombs, I know, but then I'm less butch than Arnold) 
on cars during the 1950's.  

They set 51 cars at varying distances from the explosion.  KaBoom!  

All of the cars which didn't burn up would still start after the explosion
(provided, of course, that they would start before the explosion).  This
was back when cars had real electric systems with just a few big thick
wires instead of those frou-frou electronic things cars nowadays have.
1992 models would probably go into overload

Even when a car burned out, the gas tank didn't explode.  This is a
comforting thought. 

A bomb shelter probably provides more protection than an automobile.  Our
tax dollars at work. 

>arnold (thinking of masculinely manly stuff like spinach sauteed with
>  garlic)

It does sound deeeelish.  Next time you're out here, maybe you could have a
spinach theme party? 


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