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From: norman@possum.den.mmc.com (Steve Norman)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:48:10 GMT

Felt I ought to add my two cents worth (American):

I Co-Op'd for two years at the US NIST (National Institude of Standards
and Technology). This experience was invaluable and has given me a big
advantage over my peers ever since. WHY? I learned that to succeed in
the computer world, you had better understand as many facets of the 
field as possible - networking, operating systems, database mgmt,
programming languages, software engineering, user interface 
technologies, basic principles of the hardware. What does this give
you? FLEXIBILITY! In my experience, corporations do not what a 
button-hole fit for any specific job. They want someone with good
QUALITIEs as well as good capabilities. Qualities like initiative, 
dependability, honesty, and ability to work with many different
types of people. 

Now this is a lot to ask of anyone. In fact, in my experience most
people do not even come close. I have worked with (and for) way
too many marginal people in my career. But that is the real world
we live in. New graduates face a tough challenge - instead of being
looked at as bringing fresh thoughts, innovation, etc - they are
viewed as being cheap labor that will require a lot of EXPENSIVE
hand-holding by existing more Senior staff. This view is really
stupid and short-sighted if you ask me. After all, everyone was
new at one point or another.

So my advice to new graduates - learn as much as you can about
as much as you can, hone your people skills, accept criticisms
willingly, and maintain your self confidence. If you are a GOOD
person, people will eventually recognize you as good and place
their trust and faith in your professional views. 

Enough pontificating...

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Steve Norman                  +             Disclaimer:
Sr. Software Engineer         +   All views are those of the Author.
Martin Marietta Astronautics  +        Feel free to disagree.
Denver, Colorado, USA         +      After all, this is the USA.
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:54:23 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Followup-To: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
	<29D5E035.469B@telly.on.ca> 	<9643@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
	<1992Apr1.173245.6854@cattnts>
	<SBO.92Apr8195121@walhalla.vlsi.polymtl.ca>
	<skenny.702914304@femto.engr.mun.ca>
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <skenny.702914304@femto.engr.mun.ca> skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:

   >How do you define demand? Where do you draw the line to decide whether or
   >not you provide a given service?

   >So far I have asked a zillion times to the people who use "where nubmer
   >warrants" or "where there's demand" what this means exactly. I'm still
   >waiting for the answer.

   Well according to the office de la langue francais it is 50% : the most
   obvious case in point is Rosemere. What I don't understand why is there
   so much debate on whether francophones should get services in various
   parts of Manitoba, for example, and if they don't it is yet another
   example of English Canada's intolerence towwards the French speaking
   minority but in Rosemere themain thrust of the case put forward for
   unilingual french status is justified that we must protect the French
   language/culture and set an example for other similar communities in the
   province? This baffles me, since both french and english have survived
   for approximately 100 years in the community and at present is mostly
   french speaking. *SHRUG*

The case you are describing has to do with official bilingualism in a
municipality (name of the letterheads, street signs etc.).  I do not
think it NEED affect minority language services.  Also, provincial
(and federal) services, of course, are still available to those
residents.

I will say that I think the stipulation that a municipality cannot be
bilingual (ie. French and "x") unless a majority of its residents
speak "x" is too strict.  Certainly a plurality (or 35% or so) should
suffice, depending again on the population of the municipality.

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Xref: sparky can.general:2123 ont.general:692
From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson)
Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,ont.general
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:37:37 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON


  [BTW: I don't really think this belongs in the *.jobs areas.]

In article <1992Apr9.181249.29564@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.050944.737@cs.mcgill.ca> storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) writes:
>>	It would appear that, in general, universities train CS students
>>to learn about computer science, and not 'how to program in language X'.

> A lot of what universities teach prepares the student for teaching
> and research in the subject.  Sometimes this directly conflicts
> with a student's goal of getting vocational training for a
> high-paying job, and a corporation's hope that the student will be

  My problem is that my classes *are* filled with students who want
vocational training. I really wish the bottom half of them *could* get
what they want at a community college, and the portion that doesn't
make it past second year *do* get jobs writing COBOL, dBMS, novell,etc.
  I still can't believe there are people that graduate from Carleton
with degrees in B.C.S.'s whose exposure to non-DOS machines includes
but 2 sparse weeks of Unix, and maybe some Ingres (under Unix). No
wonder I see all those adds for IBM mainframe programmers in Access.

  Fortunately, I'm usually too busy failing the physics part of my
combined honours to let this get me too down.
  
> support right now is history.  But try telling that to the manager
> whose whole life is devoted to the next quarterly report and to
> this year's production goals.

  Can you say ``five year plan''? I can :-)



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Xref: sparky can.general:2255 can.politics:3920 soc.culture.canada:3530
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 11:23:01 EDT
From: <QPID@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: A really nice, fuzzy love letter for Sylvain et al. ...
 <1992Apr16.212617.8080@mdivax1.uucp>

You may consider Meech to be a failure I see it as a success.  For the first in
 Canada's history the Native people have been able to make a stand on political
 (legal) grounds and make a difference.  We may be concerned about Quebec seper
ating, but we have allowed finally allowed the people who true roots trace back
 to this land speak and be represented.  The remainder of Canadians are immigra
nts to their land.  Quebec may be losing its culture but they have lost far mor
e and are still losing.


Sometime ago I attended an anti-apartheid meeting and was shocked to hear that
townships of the blacks in South Africa were based on the native reservation sy
stem in Canada.  For the first time in my life I felt embarrased to be Canadian
I'm not saying Canada has an apartheid system but rather that we have treated t
hese people ver poorly in their own homes.

Anu Gupta
Queen's University
Newsgroups: can.general,ont.jobs,misc.misc,can.jobs,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.resumes,misc.jobs.misc
From: wc4223@writer.yorku.ca (Yoram Chisik)
Subject: Re: Student seeking some summer(or freelance) experience!
Originator: wc4223@carr
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:25:15 GMT


In article 4134 of Can. General (April 9, 1992) Jose-Manuel -
Penelas-Dagenais writes: 


>Hi,

>My name is Jose-Manuel and I am a fourth year computer science
>engineering student specializing in hardware and software and planning
>at Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal.

>My reason for posting this description of myself is that I am looking
>for a summer (or a freelance) position that will enhance my academic
>education with some "real" and "good" experience.  If you think your
>organization could benefit from the insight of a young computer science
>engineering student please e-mail me.  Please take note that
>computer science engineers are highly versatile people who can view
>things in a variety of ways and offer special solutions and ideas
>that can enhance almost every economic activity.

>I have taken a variety of courses ranging from various computer
>science engineering courses to courses in economics, psychology,
>philosophy and political science.

>I will not bore you with any further details but if you are
>interested or just slightly amused please contact me by way of
>e-mail and I will provide you with a complete information package
>and answer any questions you may have.

>I will consider positions offered in the island of Montreal only.


>Thanking you in advance.

Jose-Manuel this posting reminds me of something I have posted on the
net a few days ago, only it dealt with geographers (me in particular).
Although I appreciate the compliment do you thing plagiarism is the
sort of "good" experience you need this summer?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yoram I. Chisik
York University            wc4223@writer.yorku.ca
Toronto

Laughter is the true exercise of mankind.
                                           Blaise Pascal
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From: warkent@ltisun11.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Looking for a summer job...
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:54:41 GMT
	<1992Apr13.181216.27441@sol.UVic.CA> <27@ampr.ab.ca>
Distribution: can
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: lyndon@ampr.ab.ca's message of 14 Apr 92 07:13:00 GMT

In article <27@ampr.ab.ca> lyndon@ampr.ab.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) wrote:
> klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
> 
>> IMHO, it is **NOT** appropriate to post a "commercial" for yourself to USENET.
> 
> Oh give it a rest. Why do you think we have can.jobs? (Yes, he should
> have posted it there.)

Does anyone think it likely that a CS or Eng. student will be hired
because of a C.V. posted in can.jobs?
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada,can.francais
From: skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: GATEWAY TO COMPUSERVE FROM INTERNET
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:53:47 GMT

Can anyone tell me how to email text from my site (which uses INTERNET)
to my friend in Calgary (which uses COMPUSERVE). How can the gateway be
established? Thanks.
--
=================================
skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"
Newsgroups: can.general
From: jalsop@seachg.uucp (John Alsop)
Subject: Quantum disk drives for sale
Reply-To: jalsop@seachg.UUCP (John Alsop)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:33:04 GMT

We have 5 Quantum 105 MB SCSI drives for sale.  They are left over from
an in-house engineering project, and were brand-new at the end of January.

Only seeked on by little old ladies on Sunday afternoons!

If interested, pls send e-mail.

--

-- 
John Alsop

Sea Change Corporation
6695 Millcreek Drive, Unit 8
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5N 5R8
Tel: 416-542-9484 Fax: 416-542-9479
UUCP: ...!uunet!uunet.ca!seachg!jalsop
Newsgroups: can.general
From: bjr@csr.UVic.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Reply-To: bjr@csr.UVic.CA (Brian Ross)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, U of Victoria, Canada
Distribution: can.general
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:14:40 GMT

s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim Klemets) writes:
>
>I'm curious to hear where the name Canada comes from.  What does
>it stand for?  It doesn't sound extremely English to me, but not
>like any indian language either.  (No, I don't know any indian language).

It is an ancient Cree word meaning "compact disc bargain bin".

-- 
Brian  Ross. 
bjr@csr.uvic.ca
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Need Info on public Access Points
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:27:51 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA

In article <@> revow@cs.UToronto.CA (Mike Revow) writes:
> I would be very grateful if people could let me know if there are 
>public-access points in the following centres:
>Vancouver Regina Winnepeg Hamilton Toronto Ottawa Kingston Montreal Halifax
>
Take a look in the "comp.mail.maps" newsgroup.
For example, look for an article containing 'u.can.bc' in the "subject" line.
The article will describe many nodes in B.C., including some in Vancouver.

Alternately, use anonymous-FTP to 'FTP.UU.NET',
and get the file '/uumap/u.can.bc.1'.
Sometimes, there will also be '....2' and '....3' and ... files.
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Rosemere
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.043213.6362@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
	heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman) writes:

>Yves Beauchemin sur le bilinguisme au Quebec ...
>
>   Pourquoi l'unilinguisme francais ? Tout simplement parce que
>   deux cultures ne peuvent pas s'epanouir dans le meme espace
>   linguistique.
>[...]
>   Le bilinguisme exerce un effet devastateur sur notre inconscient
>   collectif. Il sape notre confiance en nous-memes: il retrecit
>   notre ame. Que nous dit, en effet, une affiche bilingue ? En termes
>   feutres mais tres clairs, elle nous souffle a l'oreille: "Tu n'es
>   pas le seul maitre chez toi."
>[...]
>La voix de Lionel Groulx, ce "maitre a penser du nationalisme
>Quebecois", est encore entendue au Quebec, meme au centre d'un
>debat constitutionnel qui s'averera peut-etre decisif dans 
>l'histoire du Quebec et du Canada. A nous de le reconnaitre, et
>de se questionner sur la validite de ces "croyances".

It gives me significant comfort that such views are not shared by all
Quebecois. I was very pleased to see the results of the referendum in
Rosemere recently, where a clear majority (I believe >70%) turned *down*
a proposal to go unilingual.

The proposal, which would have reduced English services in this city of
about 30% anglophones, was initiated (and heavily campaigned for) by
Quebec's OLF (the provincial department in charge of eradicating English).
It was opposed by the francophone mayor and city council, and could not
have been defeated unless the francophone majority had also wanted to
remain bilingual.

In interviews I had heard on CBC radio, the mayor had said that French
was not in any danger in the city merely due to the co-existence of
English. His main goal, he said, was the preservation of a community
which worked well, where anglophones and francophones lived and worked
together with a common respect for each others' cultures and languages.
Apparently the residents of Rosemere agreed, rejecting the pleas of the
parachuted OLF intellectuals that unilingualism was the only way.

Apparently the OLF is not bound by the referendum, and can choose to
forced Rosemere uniligual anyway. But given the results of the vote,
that would appear unlikely. I hope.

I would be interested in hearing more details about the city, and about
the campaign. I believe there may be lessons here for folks on *both*
sides of the issue. Nothing beats a good dose of tolerance, co-operation,
and benefit of the doubt.

PS:

I only received my information on the issue from As It Happens on CBC
Radio. What have the other media said? Is it too much to ask the media
to find some hope in this event, rather than yet more ammunition for
this or that pet crusade?

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
              If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
From: alan@auad.acadiau.ca (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:47:46 GMT
Distribution: can.general
Organization: Acadia University

s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim Klemets) writes:


>I'm curious to hear where the name Canada comes from.  What does
>it stand for?  It doesn't sound extremely English to me, but not
>like any indian language either.  (No, I don't know any indian
>language).

On some of our networks here we often have short clips which are 
pieces of Canadian history.  One of them shows some missionaries
meeting up with some natives, there is a native cheif (apparently)
and a high mission, as well as the high mission's translator.
The dialog is something like this :

Cheif: "xxxxxx xxx xxx Kan-at-a-ka"   (it was all mumbles to me, except
				       the last part)

Mission: "He says the name of this country is Canada"
	 "Kan-a-da" (to cheif)

Cheif: "Kan-at-a-ka"

Mission: "Kan-a-da"
	 "The country is called Canada!" (to others)

Translator: "Uh ... sir ... I think that word actually refers to
	     that little group of huts over there" (pointing to the
	     native villiage)

Mission: "NONSENSE!! This country is called Canada!"

--
Alan W. McKay		| (902)542-2201.396	| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
alan@aucs.acadiau.ca	| Acadia University	| SUB Box 6008, B0P 1Z1
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.124934@IRO.UMontreal.CA> granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Bertrand Granado) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr14.051014.14732@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>|> In article <1992Apr13.213617.7345@tsltor.uucp> stevew@tsltor.uucp (Stephen M. Webb) writes:
>|> >
>|> >dictionary 3 (Larousse de poche)
>|> >
>|> >	nation n. f. Reunion d'hommes habitant un meme territoire, ayant une
>|> >	origine, des traditions communes, des moeurs semblables et le plus
>|> >	souvent un mem langue.
>|> >
>|> >Except for (3), which excludes women from national membership (oops, did that
>|> >PC thing creep in again?)  all 3 seem pretty much the same to me.	
>|> 
>|> It does NOT exclude women. It says "hommes" instead of "humains".
>|> You have to know that in France, they are not to the point yet to
>|> translate all these male-only words in a neutral form.
>|> 
>|> In French in France, "hommes" in many cases mean "humains".
>|> 
>|> In French, we still speak of our species as "L'homme". ("Mankind").
>|> 
>|> It appears that in Quebec, we are more advanced that France for
>|> women rights in the language...
>
>Crois tu que c'est fondamental de dire professeure au lieu de professeur !
>Je ne pense pas que les droits de la femme, soient plus bafoues dans le vocabulaire francais que dans le quebecois. 
>L'important, c'est pas la forme c'est le fond.
>je pense que si tu mets une forme sans fond, c'est de l'hypocrisie !
>
>Bertrand,
>Universite de Montreal.

Je dirais que beaucoup de "puristes" de la langue francaise pensent comme ca.

Moi, je crois que, comme une societe, une langue doit evoluer.

Notre belle langue francaise se doit d'evoluer et de s'adapter a la
nouvelle realite: la presence des femmes dans notre societe en tant
que nos egales.

Bien sur, c'est le fond qui est important, mais je crois que feminiser
notre langue est tout aussi important.

"Madame LE juge", ca sonne faux a mes oreilles.


Sylvain Chamberland
Dept. of Biology
University of waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario.
From: kreole@cs.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: summer in montreal . SUBLET !!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:08:23 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Originator: kreole@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca




		SUMMER SUBLET IN MONTREAL !!!!
		      __________________


	Attractive 4 1/2 available May - Aug 31st ( renew option ).
Period of sublet negotiable .
	Appropriately located in downtown Montreal , near all the summer
festivals. 
	Spacious , huge windows ( all the rooms get plenty of sunshine )
and all utilities are included in the rent .
	Other features

	- close to Le Faubourg
	- close to Guy-Concordia metro
	- 5 min. to Concordia University ( De Maisonneuve ) 
	- 15 min to McGill University 
	- laundry facilities in bldg.
	- safe and secure with surveillance camera in lobby 
	- storage space in basement of bldg.

	Exact location is on Rene-Levesque just west of the intersection
with Guy .

	Asking $650 per month . Willing to negotiate . Inquire from 
Kreole or Fred at (514) 933-4955 ( leave message if no one home ) or 
email kreole@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca 


-- 

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Xref: sparky can.general:2103 can.politics:3631 soc.culture.canada:3284
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: extraits d'un article de Business Week. Quebec: What Price Freedom
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:42:10 GMT
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

In article <3469@disuns2.epfl.ch> riese@litsuns1.epfl.ch (Marc Riese) writes:
>
>Je n'ai jamais entendu parle' de rapports economiques non-Quebecois
>qui sont optimistes sur le sujet de la separation. Existent-ils?
>
>Marc Riese
>Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
>Suisse
>
Il y en a eu au moins un, emanant de l'institut CD Howe.
Immediatement apres sa publication, le federal a plus ou moins
jete un interdit sur de tels documents.

Voila pourquoi on ne trouve pas de tel rapports.
Ils sont interdits!





-- 
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beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca | * | * | Promoting use of QC as Quebec Postal Code
  Andre Jarret, sieur de  |===|===| Mes opinions?  Oui, oui, les miennes!
   Beauregard 1642-1992   |_*_|_*_| My opinions?  Yes, yes, mine!
From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: Incroyable. (Re: Lionel Groulx...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:49:15 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <3454@disuns2.epfl.ch> riese@litsuns1.epfl.ch (Marc Riese) writes:
>
>>Lionel Groulx is my hero.
>...
>>One definition of race in Webster : a family, tribe, people, or nation
>>belonnging to the same stock.  Stock (same source) is source, family, lineage.
>>That is, a race is a family having a common origin.  
>...
>>In this definition of race, which is enough to form a nation,
>>secession of Quebec is something natural and most people will prefer
>>a country where they are "part of it".
>...
>>Denis Beauregard        beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>
>
>Alors le pays voulu par Monsieur Beauregard sera forme' naturellement
>sur la race. Est-ce qu'il y a d'autres sur le reseau qui sont d'accord 
>avec ce genre d'idee? 


Yah, there's some support for the idea of nation based on race: 
the nazis would have been supportive. Also the old regimes in South
Africa and former-Rhodesia.

Frank.
Newsgroups: can.francais