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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: gonadological oppression
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:33:37 GMT


>  I consider a feminist to be a person who
>believes that women *are* equal to men and whose actions are grounded
>in that belief.
>--ggs (suspecting that this may be  a wee bit simplistic, but hoping
>       that his sincerity will be appreciated....)


Giggles, you mucho macho munchkin, you, you can come play 'feminists' in my
<clubhouse> anytime.

--bayla
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:52:29 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      RE: On Gender and Such
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On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:53:15 EDT, "Elaine Brennan" <elaine@brownvm.brown.edu>
 wrote:
> When I hear/read "man," whether meant as non-gender specific or not,
> my experience has been that I do *not* feel included in that
> group;  I can *understand* that someone meant the term to be

I'm keeping out of this.  I've had this argument with too many people
on too many groups too often.

G
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Weather (was re: internet outage)
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>>Speaking of weather, today is gorgeous here.  It feels like late October
>>instead of mid August.  I think the weather is going crazy this year.

>The high at noon today was 76 and the humidity is almost non-existent.
>Doris

It's been hot here for most of the past week, and the rest of the
weekend is supposed to be hot, too.  I think the only thing that
saved me today was going up to San Francisco for some shopping -
it was quite a bit cooler there (although going through the fog
to get there was a bit disconcerting...I obviously don't go up there
often enough!).  It's almost 11:30 PM and I'm still hot!  I don't
like this!  Hmmm...I just reread the previous two sentences...I don't
think they came out quite right...

Anyway, I'm only online because I had to dial into work, and check
on some of my file updates.  Not done, yet, but hopefully tomorrow
they will be online.  If they are late again this week, I may just
go berserk, take an Uzi to work, and begin blasting away.  Just
kidding...I think - I may need a vacation.  I really dislike doing
work on the weekend, unfortunately it is becoming more likely that
I will begin doing it.  Oh well, it's a good thing I like my job!
(most of the time!)

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars
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> What are you, Rashmi--the list constable?
> -Mka

No, just a weary soul on the All-Amazon Assault force, who's had a
long day.  That was an attempt on my part to forestall the list from
launching into a topic that was debated ad nauseum recently ... just
doing my conscientious citizen bit.  whatever.

rashmi
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: The sole of a new machine
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:07:17 GMT


In a previous article, bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer) says:

>Ruth, I sent an email to you using the 'reply' function that always worked
>before, but I got a notice that the mysterious whatevers had been trying to
>deliver it for three days without success, and would try for 256 more (no
>action from me was requested).  
Going to kill it and put it out of its misery?  That poor mailer must be sick 
of hitting its head against Cleveland's brick wall.

>What gives?
A *very* screwed-up mailer.  Your mail got here, and I replied.  At least I
think I did, it it went to ak743?  This has happened before.  I thought it was
cured, but no such luck.  Other people have gotten through; you just hit the
'tilt' I guess.:-)  You never win the lottery either, do you?<grin>

>
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:23:57 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender
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> Why not?  I thought it was pretty much right on target
> considering the example of "all men are created equal."  But
> really, why not?  Where does the analogy break down?

It breaks down because man/woman isn't parallel with person/black.

I'll ponder the tennis and bridge consciousness-raising some more later.
I need to log off soon.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List Wars, The Saga

>Hey, ausbrook. don't post private messages to
>the list unless the author gives you permission.

Dear, sweet Jenna,

I'll post what I bloody well like and suffer your reproaches if I
must.  There *is* a place for rudeness in the world.  I pick my
own spots.  If someone wants to involuntarily unsub me, then I
shall just have to suffer WORDS-L'ESS.  There *are* worse fates
(though not many).

As for not knowing anything, I believe it was you who said I was
not smart enough.  So I'm a dumb know-nothing you really oughtn't
bother with.  And I mean you *really* oughtn't.

-Mka
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From:         Anne <harwell@SMTPGATE.TECHRSCS.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Lexis Request
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Hey, what does your Lexis say about Microsoft Windows?

ah-hahahahahahah

-abh
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Is there a term for it?
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>I think Johnny Carson made it popular but certainly it existed before him. It's
>the word play that he does during his movie segment:

>Starring Richard Little, Little John, John Simon, Simon and Schuster...

>That sort of thing.  Is there a term in English (or any other language for that
>matter) for this?

>Chris

	I don't know of a term for it, but such chains of baseball names were
	all the rage on the Usenet baseball list a couple of months ago.  For
	example:

	... Frank Thomas Gorman Thomas Howard Johnson

	The longest chain may have been somewhere around 15 names.

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Subject:      Re: Music Junkie

Greetings,

Damn, ABH's true identity as the BHBWP (Bleeding Heart Bandwidth Pig) is
finally revealed for all.  Okay, Adam, how much did you pay her for that
damned tribute??

Marty
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From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: EMERGENCY
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>--Anxious Jewish Mamma

Wow, you really do have worrying down to a fine art, Bayla. I thought my
Anxious Episcopalian Mama (tm) was good, but ...<whew>

-abh
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From: jthomas@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Icons
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:42:56 GMT


Ausbrook writes:

>>The masculinization of language (using the generic "he") is a
>>not-so-subtle way of relegating one group, "shes," to a second class
>>status. This thread began, as I recall, with objections to
>>genderized language. The social content of genderized language
>>doesn't seem to change no matter how hard I fill social meanings
>>with those of my own. Sounds like a case of radical solipsism.

>You just did it there--*you* say that the "masculinization" of
>language does the relegating.  It was, in fact, my point that it
>is the people who say this who do the relegating because for me--
>an others--the generic he/him does not relegate or discriminate.

I'm certain that you do not intentionally distort the posts of others,
but I recall no one in this thread who is arguing that there is
an entity called "language" that exists independent from *people*. Yet,
you return to this straw icon as if it were significant and then
argue against a position that you, not others, have created.

People create and recreate a world through language. That language has
consequences. You have written in a previous post that "If people don't
think about the 'sexism' of 'he' it isn't there." There is no evidence
that your assertion is accurate, but much that suggests it is not.
Surely you're not saying that, because one is unaware of the manner in
which language frames how we see, think, and communicate about the world,
that such frames do not exist??? The perniciousness of sexist language is
that it is often invisible, and framing a masculine world is a
demonstrable consequence of the generic "he." I may judge myself as
non-sexist. But, if the building blocks I use to translate my thoughts to
decipherable symbols function to recreate an imagery of inequality, and
if those building blocks are those commonly accepted and taken for granted
by my culture, then my own perceptions are irrelevant to the consequences
of their use.


>And to quote Graham: " . . . icons that symbolizes . . ."  Where
>were you brought up?

On Habermas, Austin, Foucault and Derrida.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prince of Tides
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:19:10 GMT Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>Dawn is currently reading subject book.  Saw rental vidio last night.  A
>rather powerful and somewhat disturbing movie (just my reaction - several
>humorous episodes).  Any comments?  Book vs movie?  Just curious.
>
   Well, I read book when it first came out.  Loved it.  Gail saw the
movie when first came out and loved it; she has not read book.  Several
i know who did both thought the movie was a pale and incomplete
imitation.

   Also recommend Dawn read Conrack and his other books.

dan
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: the ugly american syndrome.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:17:56 GMT

Once, in a fast-food joint on the road between Chicagoland and Minneapolis,
i politely asked a couple of older folk if I might go ahead, since they
were studying the menu as if it were to be the basis of a *very* important
exam.. 'Of course,' they said, 'why didn't you just puch on in front of
us?'
'Because I was brought up in New York City, where we learn better manners
than that' I replied.

They didn't believe me.

Nor did the man in Boston one time, who commented after I'd helped him find
his way, "A New Yorker would never have stopped to help me."

Sigh.

--bayla
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Today's Trivia
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:26:25 GMT


In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> 	Why did the chicken not cross the road?
>> 	Giggles was reported heading that way in his kiddymobile, and the
>> chicken didn't have a death wish!
>> 	<gd&r>
>>
>Well that is *so* unnyfay that I am NROFLMGO, but that definitely will
>*not* do because I want to hear the joke about <thinking straight>.
THere isn't one.<liar>, or if there is I don't know it.  If I did know it,
you couldn't <think straight> or <think screwey> enough to get the punch line
anyway.....
>Where is G, that loveable little squeeze????
	Bear hugging his sparcstation, probably.
>--ggs (still wondering what gd&r means and suspecting that it is
>either obscene or pisogynist or *both* ohmygod!)

So sorry to disappoint you, but it's merely <Usenetspeak> for grinning, 
ducking and <quack!> running.  Of course, if you want to make up an obscene
<pisogynist> meaning for it, don't let me stop you....

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:14:50 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Out of the Amazon Jungle
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> Posted on 14 Aug 1992 at 22:21:01 by Entropy Warrior
>                 Entropically yours,
>                                 Michael

Was entropy a new word for you today, Michael?

Karen
mistress of the innocuous e-oops
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From:         Judith_Eannarino@OCCSHOST.NLM.NIH.GOV
Subject:      Judith's test
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>I refuse to be in charge of roasting the goat, but I'll be happy to be a
>greeter.
>
>            o/.\_____/   (bernard@english.msstate.edu)
>             \ ______|
>              /\   /\


  Hello, all.
  Woof, Bernard.
  This is a test.
  I am trying to see if I can reply to a Bitnet list via ccmail.
  I probably can't.
  But here goes.

  Judith E.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:46:30 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gender

>Nope. Coupla points for trivialization but none for making sense.
>Sounds like you're saying that symbols are neutral:

Yup.  Neutral as a clear shoe polish.  That's what makes them
symbols.  They're empty.  You can fill them with anything.  Cf.
your associations with the American flag with those of a North
Korean.  Q.E.D.

-Mka
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:34:43 EST, "Entropy Warrior" <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
 wrote:
> And as for academic discussions--I hope they read the thread
> about gender.  I also would like to know what other list has
> produced the word "tmesis."

We covered in in depth on alt.usage.english a year or so back.  I believe
Roger Lustig even cracked his first joke about it.

G
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
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: 	Now, don't complain Graham.  I found myself in the company of
: Mr. Rec.humor.funny himself (Brad) for much of ONE BBSCon.  The Funny
: Guy is really into this stuff, and I was treated to many of the jokes
: I've read over the fours I've been subbed to rhf.

You have my complete sympathies.

G
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Prince of Tides

Dawn is currently reading subject book.  Saw rental vidio last night.  A
rather powerful and somewhat disturbing movie (just my reaction - several
humorous episodes).  Any comments?  Book vs movie?  Just curious.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Subject: Slooooooow 
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:01:17 +0000


In article <18AUG92.17452346.0023.MUSIC@NEMOMUS> LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
>> Posted on 18 Aug 1992 at 14:15:37 by JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
>> John, who got called Jack again today...but never what he wants to be> called..
>So what do you want to be called?
>Karen

In time for dinner?

Sorry, we had that joke back in '73, didn't we...

G
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Subject:      RE: Aren't we discussing politics?

>>>>Please explain.
>>>
>>>I can't quite explain it...something to do with...I don't know exactly..
>>>
>>>-abh
>>
>>Ahh.  *That* explains everything.
>>
>>-Mka
>
>    sounds to me as if both obfuscating speakers are working on their
>lawyer-speak.....
>
>dan...a definite non-lawyer

*That* explains everything

-Mka
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something interesting
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> What I want to know is if the locals could understand your Spanish accent.
>
> -abh

No problema, but they thought I was Portuguese or Brazilian or Dutch
or Norwegian, but never a "Como?" or "Mande" or anything.  They
understood....  and they said well done thou good and faithful
servant....  or *something* like that, I'm not sure.
Anyway, what kind of tacky question is *that* -abh up to your old
tricks!?
--ggs (practicing his accent for next Thursday first-show-of-the-
season)
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
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Date: 13 Aug 92 21:33:09 GMT
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LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Karen Kay) writes:

>and -abh commented:
>> and what do you know about prostrate problems
>He has prostate problems, *you* have prostrate problems.
>-kmk
I encounter relatively few problems while prostrate.  I encounter far more
problems in other positions, I have found.  Do you find that you encounter
problems while prostrate?

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
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It is time I spoke up, since Adam is leaving us and this will be my last
chance to <sing his praises> (along with everyone else).

Adam's is the first name I recognized when I first started reading
words-l.  It was during the Rodney King affair and I was very inpressed with
his informed voice of logic in the midst of many inflamed voices of reaction.
I appreciated all the good reports he kept posting as this was my only
source of information other than the nightly news. (pretty scarey, huh?)
I know this isn't alt.news, but it was nice to see some facts instead of
opinions.  Thanks, Adam.

Betty Z. (an appreciative semi-lurker)
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From:         Elaine M Brennan <ELAINE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rejected again
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oh, yeah, I forgot to say that listserv will continue to try to
parse each word in the mail message, and will reject it each time ...
just delete them all, take two aspirin, and call in the morning if
the problem isn't solved by then ...

Elaine
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Subject:      Re: Let's try this again, shall we?
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>The ministerv for fun (Davil Mllor) is for real.

Wha....?

-abh
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From: jthomas@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Cages...
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:47:33 GMT


>> Jim (civilization as we know it must be coming to an end if I even
>>      partially agree with graham on something) Thomas

>Oh, I'm sure Jim & I have <a lot> more in common that most people think...

If you tell me you drink <a lot of> Guinness, I'll start to worry.

Jim (the only god scot's a soused scot) Thomas
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From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars
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>He even described some of the frequent posters.  -abh, get on it....

Hey, I'm not your private list army. This Literary group sounds like a bunch of
anal-retentive lamers, not fit to belly up to the bandwidth trough. I'm saving
my strength for when Tushar gets back.

Spaeking of Tushar, has anyone thought of the possibility he may be lolling
around in some New York supermodel bimbo's loft on Park Avenue, and that he
DOES NOT WANT to be bothered? Just a thought for all you worriers out there.

-abh
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From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List Wars, The Saga
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Hey, ausbrook. don't post private messages to
the list unless the author gives you permission.

don't you know anything?

sheesh/

jenna
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