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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: British Authors
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:57:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.202059.26373@maths.tcd.ie> afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) writes:
>In <1993Jan21.105051.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>>For a while the only two comics I was getting were Sandman and Excalibur.
>>Since the two books were so different I was wondering what they had in
>>common to make me buy them.  The only thing they had in common was 
>>the both had British authors (Gaiman, Davis).  Later I dropped Excalibur
>>and started getting Archer and Armstrong.  Even later I found out that 
>>Barry Windsor Smith is British.  Since they are very different from 
>>each other, I was wondering what they had in common to make me get them.
>>Are British authors naturally superior? 
>
>Lets see: Alan Moore, Alan Davis, Alan Grant, Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, 
>and Peter Milligan are the olny ones that spring to mind. Not a bad lot,
>with Moore, Gaiman and Morrison amongst the top rank of comics writers around.
>
>I have a soft spot for Garth "Busy Man" Ennis myself:-)
>
>>Mike H
>
>Andrew.

add Alan Grant's frequent partner John Wagner, Jamie Delano, Dan Abnett, Andy
Lanning, and a few other people from Marvel's UK line to that list. Haven't
checked out the Marvels myself, but most of the people on the list (excepting
Grant and Wagner, either together or independently) would show up on any
list of favorite writers I was to write...

cheers,
	ast

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 04:38:44 GMT

In article <15622.2b604312@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <C19wwu.Bu7@fc.hp.com>, daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>> Mark W Modrall (modrall@world.std.com) wrote:
>> : actually a lawsuit from DC was very credible when you looked at
>> : all of the similarities... i don't remember all of the character's
>> : names, but they had characters that closely emulated everyone in
>> : the JLA at the time...
>> : 
>[character equivelances deleted]
>> : 
>> : it was a pretty flagrant parody...
>> 
>> I suspect you mean plagiarism.
>> 
>> doug
>
>Before everyone gets too mad at DC for copying Squadron Supreme,
>or at Marvel for SS copying the original JLA, let me remind you
>of an as yet unstated fact.
>
>Way back when, DC and Marvel decided that they would give a wink
>to the other company and create characters modeled after each
>others super-team.  That's how SS came to be.  DC had a similar
>JLA story at the time.  This is were the Silver Sorceress and Blue
>Jay and all the other superheroes from the Extremest's world came
>from.  So neither company is ripping off or plagarizing the other.
>As for alternate versions of characters, they have been done for 
>years, although IMHO the squadron supreme miniseries is excellent.
>
>Mark Balbes-setting the record straight

This is close to what I had heard. In an interview with George Perez about
a long-planned JLA-Avengers cross-over (a la the Teen Titans/X-Men one).
It was all set to go, but DC pulled out. Rather than scrap the story, they
created the Squadron Supereme. (How THAT got past DC, I don't know.)

I liked how they had a Skrull on the team (doing the Martian Manhunter
bit) but having him also be the one who gave Doc Spectrum his power prism.
(Kinda doing a two-for-one!)

I enjoyed the Squadron Supreme mini-series also. The graphic novel was
also interesting. What I want to know is...

...What happened to the Squadron Supreme appearances in QUASAR? Did they
get back to their own world or not? and...

...Did the Squadron Supreme ever find out that Quagmire is still alive and
well on Earth? (See the QUASAR teaser in Marvel Comics Presents...back
when they did REAL teasers...)

Jay (=

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:  The flip side of the Endless...
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:37:59 GMT

In article <P6iZXB13w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
>
>> Anyone think Death was mortal-walking with Chairman Mao? Or am I
>> just confused?
>
>Oh, yes - good choice.  I wasn't sure; I thought Confucius, which is 
>maybe far too early.

The ox drover had his hair in a queue. This fashion was imposed by the
Chi'ing ("Manchu") Dynasty, which conquered China in the mid 17th
century (before that, I believe Chinese men wore their hair long
(shoulder length?) and loose).

That narrows the scene to Death's visits in 1693, 1793, or 1893
(assuming she comes *exactly* once every hundred years, though I
suspect it's more like "roughly every hundred years or so"). This is
far too late for the boy to be Confucius.

Unless Gaiman screwed up about the hair styles (which is eminently
plausible, considering Susano-O-No-Mikoto's cross-cultural wardrobe).
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Annotated Future Imperfect (Long)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:39:10 GMT

>>- Wonder Woman's Tiera (3rd shelf above where Rick is sitting)
>
>Huh?  This is OK with DC?  Maybe it belongs to someone else.
>
>zombie

Well, I just checked to make absolutely certain and I would bet a fair
amount of money that it is WOnder Woman's Tiera. !st of all, Marvel and
DC "borrow" little bits of one another's universes on occasion.
Sometimes more so than others (read the Squadron Supreme thread).
Besides, you have to dig so hard to find it, How many people actually
noticed it?

Finally, Perez did do an extensive run on Wonder Woman and I think the
character remains close to his heart. Hence, the very little tribute. A
pity he can't go back and fix up that mess a bit.

_craig
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From: c60c-1jt@e260-4e.berkeley.edu (Mikel b.)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:29:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.153018.28112@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>In article <cmJmXB11w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>>
>>I think we would have to assume that her jurisdiction, and hence, 
>>probably,  mortality,  applies to every planet in the DC universes.  When 
>>you're Endless you can handle things like that.
>>
>How so? Was there ever any mention that Death could be in two places at the 
>same time? I guess she would have to do it, since so many people die at the
>same time, but we were never told so. 

  In the Element Girl story, didn't Death say this?  She says that while she
is standing there talking to Element Girl, she is also meeting recently dead
people in other parts of the world, AND other planets, I think.

>We know that there is ONE Death, and not
>a Death for every planet, so (theorically) she'd give equal importance to all
>of them. It seems that (maybe) Gaiman is volontairly ignoring these facts in
>order to let us perceive Death as an anthropomorphisation only. That would 
>explain the fact that we never saw Death come for an animal.

  Actually, this happened in SOM.  Delirium makes those butterflies, and 
Desire makes them attracted to the flame which they fly through and turn a
nice crispy brown.  They end up flying into her cupped hands.  When Desire
tells Death they are hers now, I took it to mean that the Butterflies died,
not that Desire had given the butterflies the desire to fly to Death.


Mikel B.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:45:13 CST
From: <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
 <1993Jan20.204533.12301@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

In article <1993Jan20.204533.12301@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(E. Kontei) says:
>
>[FLAME:]
>Then you're not really a Catholic.  You only do the pantomime and lie to
>yourself into believing that's enough.  Get in all the way or get out.
>[FLAME OFF:]
>

What I meant was that I was Catholic by birth.  I just go to church
every Sunday simply because it's a habit, and besides what else is
there to do on Sunday morning.  Personally I have no problems about
me being a hypocrit, obviously it's a problem to you though.
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Politeness and the Usenet (was Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:16:56 GMT

vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

>tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>>My opinions are stated as opinions and don't deserve to be labeled as
>>'whining' just because they differ from the opinions of others.  As above,
>>let's just discuss the comic and quit with this vicious shit, OK?

>Since when has polite conversation existed on the Usenet?  In nearly every
>group I've seen, this is about the only way people will actually pay
>attention to something you write.


I make the effort to be polite to people when I correspond with them
on the net.  I think most Usenet users put out this effort.

Well, I'll admit that I'm more likely to follow up a post if it
calls me a name, or misinterprets or demeans my opinions.  But
this doesn't mean that I don't pay attention to other posts.
I read a lot of the material in this newsgroup, and I don't
follow it all up (partly due to lack of time, and partly due
to lack of opinion.)

>For myself, I consider it "whining" that a bunch of people get together to
>discuss comics, and it turns into a "this-is-bad" fest--and when anyone
>disagrees, a zillion people jump in to point out fault after fault.

I'm not a bunch of people.  I am an individual.  Please treat my
opinions as those of an individual.  Please do not label my
opinions as whining simply because I have something negative to
say about a book.

>In your post, I noticed a tendency to jump back up on your soapbox when you
>found Michael Rawdon disagreeing with you, including some snotty remark
>about "knowing how to read comics" or therelike.  And now you talk about
>*my* response.

Well, the two of us going back and forth attempting to justify
the language, phrases, etc. used has the undesireable (IMHO) effect
of putting us both on our soapboxes.


>Oh, *do* get a life.

Gee, friendly guy, aren't cha?  

>>As for telling people not to use Usenet groups so much, well, I think
>>you're way out of line.  If you don't like my opinions, feel free to
>>not read them.  

>For one thing, I didn't tell *anyone* to not use Usenet groups so much.
>For another thing, I think my posts aren't particularly out of line, any
>more than yours are.  And as far as opinions go--well, when you feel
>obliged to make remarks presuming the rest of us are too stupid to know
>"how to read" a comic book, then expect it.

I don't think that any of the opinions I've stated portray others
as too stupid to read a comic.  In fact, for most of this thread,
my posts have been attempts to avoid being labeled/treated that
way myself.

I invite you to send me (or post) whichever remarks you believe were
attempts to make statements on the inability of others to read comics,
because I'd really like to know what I said that is being interpreted
in that way.

Tom
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman Art
Organization: New York University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:26:43 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>It's not just the coloring.  Jill Thompson's art on this story has
>been unattractive, uneven, and often sloppy.  The result is that we
>can't really trust the artwork to convey subtleties.  For example,
>when Kris lets his passengers off, is Delerium standing on the water
>because Gaiman wanted her to, or because Thompson got sloppy?

IMHO, it's on purpose  (but then again, I could be wrong  :)

>This is particularly frustrating wrt page 14:  Every detail is important,
>and I find it hard to trust that the artist got the details right.  Is 
>there a reason Dream is naked under his tattered cloak?  Did Gaiman
>ask that the peasant girl and the ox-driver be well-dressed, or are
>their clothes just supposed to be vaguely Chinese?  

I think they're supposed to be Chinese...  Isn't the Yangtze River in
China?   Also, is there something called an Ox Drover, or is it a
misspelled Ox Driver?

>Most of the details in the last scene pretty much have to be significant,
>but they do leave us guessing.  We don't know whether it is in the future -- 
>suggesting that Dream will recreate the Corinthian after all -- or past -- 
>suggesting that at one time in the eighteenth or nineteenth century Dream's 
>throne was broken -- assuming that's his throne.  (Hmm, maybe that puddle
>of blood is what Destiny was talking about when he said that neither
>Dream nor his inamorata would find their next meeting satisfactory...)



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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Politeness and the Usenet (was Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:50:22 GMT

In article <vanyel.727997365@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>>My opinions are stated as opinions and don't deserve to be labeled as
>>'whining' just because they differ from the opinions of others.  As above,
>>let's just discuss the comic and quit with this vicious shit, OK?
>
>Since when has polite conversation existed on the Usenet?  In nearly every
>group I've seen, this is about the only way people will actually pay
>attention to something you write.

There is plenty of polite conversation on Usenet. Even in this
particular newgroup :).  For myself, and for lots of us actually, it
works exactly the opposite: people that are prone to shut down their
brain and go into emotional ad hominem mode are generally *not* taken
seriously.  The corollary: calm reasoned posts over time will gain
your respect, a practically photographic memory helps.  :-)

Overly Pedantic logic lesson #1: Avoid ad hominem like the plague.  If
you feel the need to attack a post, attack it's content not it's
writer.  There is absolutely no reason not to do this politely.

When I run into a 2-way free-for-all like this, I usually reach for
the 'k' key.  But someone might actually believe your suggestion that
shouting is only way to be heard.

>Oh, *do* get a life.

Had one, didn't like it.  

(Johnston)
>>As for telling people not to use Usenet groups so much, well, I think
>>you're way out of line.  If you don't like my opinions, feel free to
>>not read them.  

(Williams)
>For one thing, I didn't tell *anyone* to not use Usenet groups so much.

You said something to the effect that he should quit reading so much
news and read more comics.  I can only speak for myself, but you came
off as a hothead to me.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:25:57 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tolkien comics
	<1993Jan20.204605.26903@ncsu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 20-Jan-93 Re: Tolkien comics
SHAWN T. DEPRIEST@eos.nc (383)


> Not to gloat, but just to confirm that issue 3 exists as I have all three.
> Needless to say I got issue 2 not realizing it was 3 issues.  Then in the shop
> one week noticed The Hobbit with a new cover and realized it was issue 3
> of 3 and that I needed to find issue 1.  I ended up finding a first
> print for $10. Surprised me to see it had doubled in value, but oh well,
> such is life.


I think this is in response to my post saying that I wasn't sure if the
third cover was available in poster form. I also have all three
issues--I know they exist. I also have the posters depicting the covers
from issues #1 and 2. However, there was supposed to be a poster with
the cover of #3 as well, but my local shop could never get ahold of one,
so I can't confirm its existence. Maybe somebody else out there *can*
confirm it (and make me feel *really* bad.....)--maybe Scowlin' Jim had
one in his shop once?

--Vernon.
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:30:00 GMT

In article <30573@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>
>>I doubt it - I assumed he was just standing there staring moodily across London,
>>as one is apt to do when one is a tortured angst-filled teenager disenchanted
>>with life...
>
>Hang on, didn't Death (Didi) become mortal in New York?
>Which beggars the question how did Mad Hattie get to NY?

The book starts in London, but DiDi and Sexton are in New York. Mad Hettie
does her viscera reading in June and meets up with DiDi in July. That gives
her some time to get across the Atlantic.   

Personally, I like the idea of Mad Hettie flying over in the Concord.

>Of course you don't get to be 250 without learning a thing or two I
>suppose... :-)

Even a long-lived witch would have a need for money. Perhaps she did
have looooads-a-money in the bag. My guess is that she got rich through 
comic speculation. Probably made tons selling her comp copies of 
Sandman #3.

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  want to trade hats with you. Yes, my cap is 
    My tribe know me as     |  a little faded. Hmmm, that reminds me..."
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:00 GMT

manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Skybax Rider, Apprentice Class) writes:


>   How do we deal with Satan in the DC universe?  Is he the flip side of
>   God?  Wasn't he already in Hell when Lucifer got there (I thought I'd
>   read that here someplace)?

Yeah, Hellblazer.


>>The most powerful angel in heaven after Lucifer was cast out would now
>>be either Gabriel or Michael (not sure).

>  I'm almost certain it's Michael.

And Gabriel is off living in a mens club in London being a complete git.
So he certainly isn't all that bright, or he woudl have stayed where he
had the most influence.  And where John Constantine wouldn't drop by and
harass him.

Personally, I was quite happy with the idea that John is going to kick
the Snob's butt.  I hope I get to see it.


The very pagan LJC
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Constatine's Grave ( was Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7)  
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:51:14 GMT

>By the way, someone mentioned to me that LJC (The real one, not me) also has 
>her headstone on the cover of last month's Hellblazer.  I can't find it to
>check (dorm room is a mess, per usual).  If its true, it is just another
>example of continuity :)  The lack thereof, of course.  do you think out
>mister ennis reads Sandman?
>
There is indeed the headstone of a Constantine on the cover of last
months Hellblazer. Alas, it was not the Ladt Johanna, but another on of
Constantine's ancestors. And guess what? He was a complete bastard as
well. It must be in the genes.

BTW, didn't mean to insuate that there was something wrong about LJC. On
second thought, I think I should bail out now while I still have a
chance.

_craig
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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Re: MISC:  Missed Deadlines
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:41:47 GMT

I'm still waiting for the end of John Byrne's Last Galactus Story...
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Subscibing to this news group
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:39:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <18170@umd5.umd.edu> sam@hamlet.umd.edu (Sam) writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have internet access other than
>mail.

Sure hope Stu has lots of room for e-mail.  

I doubt there is a subscription.


--MikE...He'd be getting e-mail at least once every few minutes.


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