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Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: FYI: The Gay Pilots' Association
From: hoey@husc8.harvard.edu (Steven Hoey)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:36:01 EDT
Distribution: na
Summary: Introduction to the GPA.


There's a relatively new organization out there that hasn't yet received much
publicity in the aviation community, or in the gay community.  It's GPA -- the
Gay Pilots' Association.

I want to help them spread the word here on the USENET.  Below, I've reprinted
information from their introductry flyer.



WHO?
GPA is a national organization founded by a small group of aviation
professionals.  Our members consist of pilots, both private and professional;
ATC personnel, mechanics, and anyone else associated with the aviation 
industry.

WHY?
GPA was formed to offer pilots and other aviation industry personnel a discreet
way to connect and correspond with each other.  We hope to help our members
find anything from a relationship to employment to an aircraft or just some
good friends.

WHAT?
GPA consists of a quarterly newsletter containing everything from member-
submitted articles to our exclusive Cockpit personals section.  There are
columns for personal and professional advice, regulatory updates and a 
classified section containing headings for help wanted, jobs wanted, buy-sell-
swap, instruction and professional services.  GPA members will also receive
private invitations to private social events, held throughout the country.

[The organization requests that members pay dues--for more information, contact
them directly.  I'm trying to give information without advertising too much.]

WHERE?
All feedback, questions, and correspondence can be directed to:
			GPA
			PO Box 1291
			Alexandria, VA  22313

			24 hour Information Line:
			(703) 660-3852

*NOTE:  The term "gay" is meant to include gay men, lesbians, and bisexual
	people.  

[Crosspost info: This article appears in rec.aviation, soc.motss, and ne.motss]


If you want information, and don't want to call or write, you may contact me
at the email address listed below.  Note that I am not an officer of the club--
just an interested gay student pilot.


-----
Steve Hoey
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:06:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.075817.27029@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>
>   And until you stop hiding in your bearskin tower and join us, the
>drags and the nellies and the proud butch men, we're going to point up
>and laugh atcha...
>
>         Elf !!!

Go on girl...


-- Chris


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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 4 Sep 1992 09:13:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <Bu22CG.DGx@scd.hp.com> 
apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
> Matthew Melmon (mattm@Apple.COM) wrote:
> : ...squaking...squaking...squaking...squaking...squaking... 
> 
> Umm, squaking?  

Yes, I wondered about that too.  I assumed that once Matthew
finished squittering, he'd tell us what "squaking" means.

> Andrew  (always keen to have his vocabulary enlarged)

Arne (I've just enlarged it for you)
From: thomas@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Custody battles and "The Judge" (was: move to canada, eh?)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 20:30:05 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: twink.mips.com

And, to even further distance this thread from the Great White North....
Mike Drayton mentioned successes by glbfolk in winning custody cases.
Yesterday morning, in a fit of stay-home-and-sulk, I ended up catching
an episode of the TV show "The Judge."  If you've never seen it before,
it's a seventh-rate "People's Court" clone, where the whole thing is
staged and is "based on actual cases", or something like that.

Anyhow, the case involved an 18-year-old developmentally challenged
man, "Brian", who was institutionalized.  A gay man had become Brian's
best friend and was now petitioning for custody.  Brian's older brother
very rarely visited the hospital, but had sent some money.  Brian liked
the gay man *very* much.  And, just to make things even more interesting
for TV, Brian had a healthy trust fund to boot.

The actor-lawyer for the older brother brought up witnesses who threw
out just about every homophobic slur you can imagine -- they really don't
bear repeating here.  I decided to stick it out to the end of the show,
because I wanted to see everything before I called up the local TV
station to complain.

When the end came, however, the judge ruled that the gay man was to receive
custody of Brian, stating that he saw "absolutely no indication" that this
relationship had any sexual overtones to it.  The judge admonished the older
brother for being grossly insensitive and uncaring as well.

I was pleasantly surprised, even if the show itself is the pits.


-- 
Chris Thomas                                                (408) 524-8022
S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++                thomas@mips.com
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Multi-Index Characterization (Re: your sexuality as an organism)
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug25.174550.24822@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>
>You see, I find what are commonly called
>'paraphilias', like foot fetishism, bear fetishism, urolagnia,
>tribadism, scatophilia, voyeurism, oral fixation, etc. simply other
>dimensions of sexual experience.

I thought tribadism was an archaic term for lesbianism?

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB film list
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:59:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Hi there - I'm after the GLB film list that someone compiled and posted
>some time ago... I checked in the faq, but there seems to be no mention of
>it.  Could someone either post it here, or email it to me please?
>
>Thanks,
>Yvette.
>--
>Yvette Lian
>yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
>FIDO: 3:640/352
>IRC nick: Maxine2
>

Yvette, I'll be posting the newly updated GLBO-Centered Film List in a day
or so.  (Lots of new entries!)  Unless you need it right away, look for it
to appear here in soc.motss on September 1st.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Redefining Self (was a thread I won't get involved in)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:26:00 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) wrote:
>In article <1SEP92.14432512@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> Oh my.  This sounds too much like Daivd's family.  He is an only child,
>> has 11 sisters and two brothers, all of them his first cousins.  In
>> addition, his father is his uncle, making him his own first cousin.
>> Shall I leave it to you all to figure this all out (except you, Bil,
>> you already know)?
> 
>Sounds like "marriage with deceased wife's sister" to me (see Act I
>Finale of _Iolanthe_).

Very close.  Marriage with deceased sister's husband.

Twice.




       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Audience for Sargon Follies (was Re: B.S. forms a synapse)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:33:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


*sigh*

If I can't get the big fishes to bite, I guess I'll just have to settle
for the little ones...


In article <1992Aug23.181427.29580@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> Sargon himself is only marginally interesting,

You have proven, in the past, to have difficulty with counting.  But 
perhaps you have a qualitative - as opposed to quantitative - *grasp* of
the volume of posts this 'marginally interesting' individual has given rise
to?

Of course you do.  You made half of them.

 
> What *is* of interest, I think, is the audience among us who
> in varying degrees resemble the Sargons of this world.  They
> know they're gay (I'll leave lesbian and bisexual aspects
> for another time), they are extraordinarily afraid of
> anything alien to their known universes, and they are
> intensely homophobic, not only in the form of self-loathing,
> but also in the form of open or barely concealed hatred of
> anything or anyone who is "obvious" or "weird" or "not a
> regular guy," and so forth.


The act of pointing out ironies is so destructive to the poetic 
beauty of said ironies that it is almost a crime.  But being
criminal of disposition (I am, after all a *Reagan* Republican),
I shouldn't much care.

To extact from the above:

>   ...they are extraordinarily afraid of anything alien to their known 
>   universes...

This couldn't, possibly, apply to the hissing queens arrayed against 
'The Butch?'  *Good Lord, No*!  Certainly not.  Said hissing queens are
quite secure in themselves, and quite able to let pass the remarks of
an 'uninteresting' individual, obviously suffering from severe internal
pyschic conflicts.  

You might even call them 'well adjusted.'

But Bob, darling - even if you *do* work for that abominable Mr. Gates -
really.  Take pride in the firestorm of flaming indignation you have
set off and let it drop.  While they could all use an enema, the first
step would require pulling out the cork (the Italians have a wonderful
phrase for said, which I believe is 'Basta-La,' though perhaps one of the
more educated members of this society could correct me should I be
in error) and you *really* don't want to do that.

Why, it would be a retort heard 'round the world.

Just keep counting your stock options, and smile :-)  It must be fun.
Wish I had some to count.


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:22:20 GMT
Organization: -

In article <1992Aug24.010207.26812@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> People who are told they look considerably younger than their chronological
> age usually don't; that is, not completely.  Instead, the judge is confronted
> with a collection of attributes which don't completely jibe.  Rude people
> might well ask.
> 
> You probably look like an unusually decrepid 25 year old or a very youthful
> 39 year old.  If you're 25, it's an insult; if you're 39, it's something to
> be grateful for, I suppose.  As for me, 39 doesn't sound very old, and I
> usually find 39 year olds who look their age much more attractive than 25
> year olds.  On average.  I've been known to make exceptions.
> 

Kevin Williams of former porn star fame was on a flight I took last
winter.  (BTW, Kevin Williams is a stag name.)  We chatted most of the
flight.  Apparently something in my conversation didn't agree with his
impression of me and he blurted out; "How old are you?"  I told him I
was 37 and he said; "Oh, I thought you were closer to my age (27) and
just hadn't taken very good care of yourself."

Jim
From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mpls./St Paul (was: Just please shoot me :))
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:09:10 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.035451.25537@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug26.223829.6989@medtron.medtronic.com>
>cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero) writes:
>
>>Unfortunately, I know nothing about Rochester, MN, but do know 
>>quite a bit about the Twin Cities.  Yes, it is very gay affirmative
>>here.  Minneapolis has domestic partnership laws as well as anti-
>>discrimination laws.  St Paul has anti-discrimination laws as well.
>
>I thought the St. Paul law was overturned in a subsequent action
>of some kind.  Do I misremember, or was it subsequently reinstated,
>or what?
>

It was overturned a couple years ago, but this past November it was
reinstated.

>>I could swear not a day goes by without hearing something about the
>>gay and lesbian community on the local news.  Twin Citians are 
>>really tuned into the gay and lesbian community.
>
>Sure seems so.  In the years I used to visit my mother
>there, I met a lot of very nice people.  I think it's
>especially known for a large and friendly lesbian community.
>I actually know less about the gay men, as a group.
>

Same here...  Most of our friends are lesbians.  I don't know why
but we only have a couple of gay male friends.  Approximately a
75/25% ratio.  

-- Chris



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Medtronic Corp.		(612)574-6062
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Sept. 5, Motss Dinner, NYC
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.221601.23898@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>May I submit an agenda item?  I think ideal testing
>>opportunities now exist for the model 28M and 33B
>>restructuring p-ds.  I would like authorization to issue the
>>boot codes for units Melmac and Sargon.  The test results
>>may prove extremely useful in the east laster on.
>Excellent.  I'll nice -20 that for immediate consideration.

Fie on Ry!  You obviously forgot your product's real-time scheduling
priorities.

PS: Saw your letter the other day printed in some trade rag whose name
	I forget.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Bobbie
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:08:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




(me)
>As another poster so keenly pointed out, half the postings
>to me & about me have single-handedly been generated by YOU,
>Jessie.

(anderson)
/I must be having quite an effect on your heavily armored
/psyche, Bobbie, if you can exaggerate my response to you to
/that degree.  


As I said, another poster pointed that out to the net.

Even if he didn't count correctly, the central point still
remains:  at the top of your lungs, you proclaim "how could
anyone listen to you" while simultaneously having hissy
fits (or orgasms, whichever describes it best) every time I 
post.  Or for that matter, orr or Matt Melmon posts.

Anderson, I don't WANT you to stop posting.  I am having a ball
watching you try to maintain your composure.

I am serious; you are sport, not forensic competition. 

Please *do* continue posting; I look forward to it.



(anderson)
/(Now Bobbie, this is just for you.  [You others, don't
/ look!]  I got email from that poster yesterday, apologizing
/ for his rash remark.)

That's funny; I thought that quoting unsubstantiatable email support
was supposed to be a no-no.  Bad anderson, bad bad bad.  No cookie for
you.



(anderson)
/Whereas, 100% of your drivel is all on the same topic, and a mighty
/silly one it is, too: you.

Incorrect; but don't let a little thing like accuracy slow you down.



(anderson)
/See, you're like those phobes out there: overestimating in
/wild fear, left and right.  Hold hands, we're flaunting it.
/Ask for *some* rights, we want "special" rights.  Disagree
/with Bobbie, we're a cabal.  Don't want to be like Bobbie,
/we're trash.  And so on.

Whatever you say, anderson.  Make up all the positions you want.
Then assign them to whoever you want.  Then you can rush out
like a knight in shining armor (or lady in waiting, if you
prefer) and defend the position, to the cheers and applause to
the rest of the net.  Tilting at windmills.

One of the things that distinguishes a cabal is attempts to silence
or shut out people who disagree.  I have received six lame attempts
to date, requests to "just go away".  Also, as the one who suggested
"transmitting the boot codes for units Sargon and Melmac", I suspect
you are probably as cabalistic as the best of them.


* * * * *

I described your dysfunctional attitude and posting habits to
another person here.  His first question was:  "Is the poster
from an .edu site?"  

"Yes, I think so."  

"That explains it, then."
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 28 Aug 1992 14:06:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu


In article <vanyel.715023427@camelot> 
vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
> In <l9qtglINN3je@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >Heavens.  Do you even know what genderfuck is?  
>
> Apparently not, oh great motss guru.  Enlighten me, o lord.

I had dinner last night at my neighborhood hangout.  It wasn't
that I was particularly hungry, nor was it because I wanted
to eat *there*.  I went because a friend of mine who works there
went into the hospital yesterday and I was hoping to get some
news about him.  (He's doing OK -- not *great*, but OK.)  Papain
is a bearded, muscular, *hairy*, intensely butch-looking Cajun 
(he looks like a lumberjack) who just happens to be about the 
nelliest thing in high heels.  (It's Papain who calls me Girleen.)  
Papain does *fantastic* genderfuck, but then he should -- he was,
after all, a Cycle Slut.  [It's up to you, Alan, to enlighten
yourself.  I've given you enough clues.]

Michael, the friend who gave me the update on Papain's condition,
was *terribly* depressed last night.  I asked him what was wrong,
and he pulled out a copy of Update (a gay paper), flipped to the
obituaries, and pointed out the obit for Al Parker.  Michael ran
away from home in Ohio in the late 70s -- destination LA -- with 
one goal: he wanted to sleep with Al Parker.  Well, not only did 
he realize his dream, Michael appeared in a film with Al Parker.  
(I've never seen it.  In fact, I've never seen any of the porn 
Michael did.)  So Michael and I sat around and talked about Al 
Parker.  Then he mentioned that he'll be going to the memorial 
service for Kenny Sacha (a big bad *female* *impersonator*), who 
was a good friend of his.  So we talked about Kenny Sacha and drag 
queens and female impersonators, and then we talked about Al Parker 
some more, and you know what?  We used *feminine* pronouns exclusively.
About Papain, about each other, about Kenny Sacha, about *Al* *Parker*.
And you know what?  Not once did I think that Michael or Papain or
Kenny Sacha or Al Parker was a woman.  It didn't even cross my mind.  
Not once.  And I didn't feel queasy either.

Arne
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:00:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ee.manz.715176028
Distribution: soc
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In <1992Aug29.213434.9547@spdcc.com> urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:

>In <1992Aug26.941.54425@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
>>So, how 'bout it?  Come to the cold country with the warm heart!
>>Paul D. Bobbitt
>   
>Well, once I find a way, this exhausted American Gay will be on his
>way to Toronto.  Unfortunately, the Canadian government doesn't make
>it easy to move up there.
> 
>I'd like to move up there, but I don't want to have to wait for Canada
>to legalise gay marriages so I can move up there as the spouse of a
>Canadian citizen. 
> 
>Has anyone else out there had to deal with the difficulties of having
>a spouse/fiance on the other side of the international border?
> 

  There is currently a pending court case on this very concept.  One
Todd Layland of Seattle, Washington, while on a work visa in Canada
met and fell in love with one Pierre Beaulne of Ottawa, Ontario.

  They were turned down when they applied for a marraige licence (no
surprise there) and Mr. Laylands's visa expired.  He returned to 
Seattle and Mr. Beaulne moved to Vancouver (it's *much closer to
Seattle than Ottawa is.)  

  They have launched a court case questioning the constitutionality
of Canadian marraige laws (more specifically, the interpretation that
marraige is "the union of a man and a woman") in regard to the
Charter of RIghts and Freedoms.  The recent case which struck down the 
Human RIghts Act may well be an important precedent in this case.

  Mr. Layland was refused an extension of his visa to remain in
Canada until the case is resolved.  The case is to be heard in
November.

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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:08:01 GMT

In article <64575@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>... there are 1000's of gay Asians at the Univ of Hawaii ...
>
>That's interesting. How big are the gay organizations there, and are
>Asians proportionally represented there? 

I'm not sure I'm being wise in answering this, but anyway:

The student GLB group (the Ohana) is a social group which meets
twice a month.  I haven't been to a meeting yet this semester, but
last semester typically 10-20 people would show up.  Of these, almost
all would be Asian or Pacific Islander -- I was frequently the only
Caucasian there.  Since whites comprise about 16% of the student
population, almost all others being Asians or Pacific Islanders, then
non-whites are slightly over-represented in the Ohana.  Of course,
with a sample size this small such statistics are meaningless.  But
there is no evidence from this that Asians are under-represented
in the gay population here.

>Even in Hawaii, the rate of
>AIDS due to sex with homosexuals is far below the rate for Anglo whites,
                                                            ^^^^^

I don't know the break-down between Anglo whites and non-Anglo whites
(hint, Arthur:  not all whites are Anglo-Saxon -- some of us are
Irish-Italian, for example), but it is true that Asian and Pacific
Islanders comprise only 182 of the 871 known AIDS cases in Hawaii
(about 21%), as of March 31, 1992.  I see two factors which would
muddy up any attempt to claim that whites are more likely to be gay
than other groups:  whites are more likely than Asians to be
transplanted Mainlanders;  Asians in Hawai'i are more likely to be
closeted (because they are more likely to be local, and word will
travel to their families quicker), and hence may have fewer sexual
contacts.

>which seems to be very strong evidence that that rate of Asian
>homosexuality is far smaller than for whites. 

I just don't see evidence for that.  It's not like there is any
shortage of Asians at the local gay bars, once you weed out the
tourists and military personnel.  If you counted only the locals at
the bars here, I don't think you'd find Asians under-represented at
all.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine