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From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Homos in the bible
Followup-To: soc.motss
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:47:42 GMT

In article <BzuGu9.IF5@agora.rain.com> taurus@agora.rain.com (Scott Burch) writes:
>I was reading a book recently that stated that there was some biblical
>scripture that mentioned the posibliity of David being gay.  Does anyone
>know of any gay bible characters, or support for the theory that David was
>gay.  I would be interested in any leads that I can get.  

Well, the story of the relationship between Jonathan and David is
in the books of 1st and 2nd Samuel. In particular, the quote from David's
lamentation over his death (II Samuel 1:26) is often read as telling:
"...greatly beloved were you to me; your love to me was wonderful,
passing the love of women."

You can get a chapter full of discussion on this in the book "Jonathan
Loved David: Homosexuality in Biblical Times" by Tom Horner (1978)

(...not the most scholarly work, but one which goes far beyond the usual
"proof texts" in looking for relevant material.)

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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:45:43 GMT

brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:

>Think about this. What's the difference between these two sentences:

>"I'm from the city."

>"I'm from the City."

>In the second example, don't you immediately think of one and *only* one
>place that could possibly be being referred to?

>And at the risk of causing an international brawl, might I ask (out of
>curiosity) what that place is?

The financial district of London.  I would never refer to any American
city in that manner.

N.B. Even though I am a Jewish atheist, "the Church" to me means the
Catholic Church.  And as for "the Party",....
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        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Federal Civil Rights Bill co-sponsor levels [Is _QW_ Defunct?]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:30:32 EST
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CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT FOR GAY RIGHTS BILL SOARS
-- QW, November 29, 1992, page 60
 
Sponsorship of the federal lesbian and gay civil rights bill promises
to go up as a result of the election, according to figures from the
Human Rights Campaign Fund, the nation's largest gay organization.
Despite losing five co-sponsors, including Rep. Bill Green (R-NY), the
election brings a net gain of 14 sponsors to the landmark bill,
raising the tally to 21 members of the Senate and 119 members of the
House.  As currently crafted, the bill, which is expected to be
introduced next year, extends the 1964 Civil Right Act covering
employment and public accomodations to include sexual orientation.


Does anyone know if _QW_ is still alive?

   
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bookstores (was Re: Pittsburgh, Pa)
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Melinda Shore (shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu) wrote:
>> Around most universities you'll find a number of good,
>> often quirky, bookstores.  I really liked 57th St. Books in
>> Chicago (strong collections in areas where the University
>> has strong departments)...
>
>You mean Woodworth's? 

No, I daresay she means 57th Street Books.

Woodworth's -- sheesh.  I've been in Hyde Park ten years now, and that
was before _my_ time, even.

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Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:03:03 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>> Let's see... I know of many cases at San Francisco General Hospital where
>> it has been violated.  I know of cases at HP and IBM where people are having
>> problems.  I can come up with a lot of places where people had to invoke
>> the policy.  It happens all the time.

>> Why would this surprise you?

>Because I've never seen it, my wife (who works in HR) has never seen 
>it, and I've never heard about any.  Can you give details?  I don't want 
>to put you out or fill up your time, but I would be curious to see 
>this in action, since it's something I've never seen before.  Especially 
>the hospital and HP, since I work there....IBM, well, they're having 
>enough problems...;-)

	Gee, WAlter maybe uit's because neither of you are non-homosexual
are therefore don't get the "special right:" to be discriminated against
on the basis of your orientation?  I mean someone would have to at
least SUSPECT you of not being heterosexual, and frankly you
FLAUNT your sexuality more than I ever have...

	You know I wouldn't mind heterosexualsif they didn't
make apoint of mentioning it in every conversation I had with them.
I mean if they just kept it to themselves.....

	(Yeah, I know he won't get this - but I figure since we're
having to put up with him for the time being, we might as well get a few cheaps laughs)
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.162133.4439@walter.bellcore.com> dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne) writes:
>The one that always gets my
>goat is when straight people are, as they are invariably, 
>enthusiastically congratulated for getting married.  I wonder why 
>nobody is ever congratulated for having the courage or imagination 
>or simple  unconventionality to remain single or to find some other
>interesting way to live and build family.  Instead, they do this
>thing that is nearly inevitable (for heterosexuals) in our culture 
>and people act as though they've discovered something new and wonderful.

Well, such congratulations is rather similar to expressing condolences
for someone's death.  It needn't "mean" anything; it's just a convention.
Doubtless there will be anthropologists in some future society who will
look upon such ritualized responses with as much disdain or sense of
superiority as we have towards other cultures.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:28:11 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <18232@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>This not withstanding, I have no policy authority, and my advice to
>*Just say NO* to individuals who use force or fraud to waste our
>time and poison our newsgroup with their venomous agenda is freely
>given. 
>whats yankin yer chain rog :-)

The notion that it's *our* newsgroup, *our* space.

If we wish to feed it on our own machines, at our own cost, in our own
parallel net, it can be *our* newsgroup.  It's Usenet's, no more ours
than Cramer's when you get right down to it, and while we'd *like* it
to be "safe space" we don't have any *right* to "safe space."
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:30:11 EST
From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: March on Washington
Distribution: usa

In article <72492@cup.portal.com>, Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
says:
>
>Herschel Browne makes an admission he will come to regret:
>
>>Can anyone tell me offhand the date of the big 1993 march on Washington?
>>I know I *live* in Washington, but that doesn't cause me to know this.
>
>It's the week of April 25th.  So can we all come and stay with you?
>

I live in Washington now, but I won't then. So no, I can't put anyone
up this time around.

Thanks to all who answered my question, here and via e-mail.

H.

Herschel Browne
"The" American University
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Denny's (was Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.191838.17095@linus.mitre.org>
jclander@mitre.org (Julian C.  Lander) writes:

>I was dieting seriously (I do that every few years, and the effects last
>for about a year, but I digress), I found it tremendously useful
>for breakfast.  Denny's was capable of producing a single egg for me,
>at a reasonable price, while most places charge an arm and a leg.

That should bring your weight down pretty fast, though
unless your are really *quite* unusual you'd run out of arms
and legs on approximately day 2 of the diet, in the regular
places.  In that case, Denny's must seem even more convenient
to you.

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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: PHOBE ALERT:  Clinton Faces Firestorm on Military Issue
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1gqicmINN9b4@transfer.stratus.com>
	<1992Dec17.211053.21402@linus.mitre.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:55:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec17.211053.21402@linus.mitre.org> jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:

   I think I've lost touch with straight America.  I just read the
   posted article (not the response, but the original predicting the 
   dire consequences of letting gays serve in the military).  For those
   of you who missed it, it predicts that the homosexuals (I must reproduce
   their terminology) will ask for marriage, and rights to teach, and so on.

   My response to those claims was, "Yes, is there a problem with
   this?"

The new one on me was "Children will have to compete with homosexuals
for medical services."

What an image!  Do you think they'll compete through arm-wrestling,
best two out of three?
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Thinkin' about the new year
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:08:10 GMT

A background screen? You use me for a *background* screen? I feel so...
(I can't decide between 'violated' and 'secondary')!!!

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Flashing lights
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:17:27 GMT

> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>> batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:

>>Computer just haven't been the same since they stopped putting switches
>>and lights on them *SIGH*
>
>The computer under my desk is a HP Snake and it has quite a few
>flashing lights.  The best is the one marked with a heart symbol: it
>"beats" two quick pulses every second to reassure you that the machine
>is still working.  The pulse rate doesn't seem to get any faster when
>the machine is excited, though, a bit like Hannibal Lecter.

In my brief career as a computer operator (back in the
punch-card and paper-tape days!), the console I worked at had
a volume-control knob so the operator could listen to the
bits turning on and off and be secure that something was
actually running...
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: The phrase "gay rights"
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 11:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.091814.8627@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>So I ask "Do you think gay 
>couples should be able to marry?  Should gay couples be able to adopt 
>children?" He answered, "Those are special rights, not equal rights."

He is right, in a way... the rights to marry and the tax benefits of a
family (in some cases) were originally setup by the government to
promote the State's (ie. Big Brother's) ideals.  Times have changed
and people have been educated and informed... even most churches now
agree that the homosexual union can be just as loving and caring as a
heterosexual one.  It's time that our government put its pen to work
were it's mouth has been and start promoting all families instead of
the "traditional" ones.

Have you discussed this with him further?  Maybe you should show him
OUR family calender (available from SHocking Gray as well as many fine
charities and community groups around the country).

-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free"   |CO made a #2 no-no... PU!          |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Attention Marky Markophiles
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:02:44 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) wrote:
>For those of you into the hairless wonder, the Dec. 29 Village Voice
>has a Guy Trebay column about the ubiquitous Marky Mark and the "queer
>imagery" of the Calvin Klein ads all over New York. Pretty good stuff.
>Page 18.

In other Mark news, it seems he may be losing his gay club audience.  He
has refused to take his shirt off in recent appearances in gay bars, and
many have cancelled their contracts as a result.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:53:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.183846.25219@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1h7hq2INN4op@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM>
tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>>P.S.  Wait, does this guy have a GIF in the motss.pix archive?

>Nope.  Wish he did--there's an inode waiting for the Donald any time
>he wants to take advantage of it.

Oh Steve, I love it when you talk dirty, especially in Unix!

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[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: PHOBE ALERT: Clinton Faces Firestorm on Military Issue
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: petlock@turing.org
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.174730.3285@draco.macsch.com> 
>bjb@macsch.com (Bryan) writes:

>(lots of stuff from FRC)

>>   Family Research Council is a spin-off group of the Colorado
>>   Springs based Focus on the Family.

>Jeesh, as if having Colorado for "Family Values" and Focus on the
>"Family" here in town, we now have to deal with the "Family" Research
>Council.  All I hope is that enough splinter groups form on the
>religious right to disipate some of their supposed power.

>Later...Randy
>-- 
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>Cray Computer Corporation                                Randy Murrish
>1110 Bayfield Drive                                   mush@craycos.com
>Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274

Splinter groups in the religious right?  That's giving them too much
credit and implying they have minds of their own. :-)

Tim Petlock
-petlock@turing.org
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:00:58 GMT

In article <55440005@hpscit.sc.hp.com> jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon) writes:
>One thing about the bear code has puzzled me, though.  Does anyone really
>use e+ or e++?

Yes, some do.

>IMHO, it sounds like telling someone at a bar that you're,
>oh, a millionare or dated Tom Cruise (or Wilford Brimley for the ursine 
>types), or something. 

Yup.

>jap, wondering just exactly what the demarcation is between e+ and e++.

Or e and e+, for that matter.  FYI, the only e++'s I've ever seen have been
on people who've been too modest to use that.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:05:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec29.180517.19094
Distribution: soc
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Is this a surprise?  The man plays golf with Bush for heavens sake.....

Bil Snodgrass III

p.s.  Portland just got a convention that had planned on going
to Denver.  Guess boycotts don't work! ;-)
From: jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:52:10 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Walter Smith (smithw@col.hp.com) wrote:
 
> And WHY would a company fire a good 
> employee *just* because he is gay?  

Ask the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:43:48 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	Person 1: What do you want for dinner?
>	Person 2: I dunno, what do yOU want for dinner?
>	Person 1: (Realizing that this is an infinite loop)
>			White Castle Burgers it is!

>	That usually prompts Person 2 to think of SOMETHING in
>short order... :-)

Yes: divorce.

Brent, shuddering that someone would actually *eat* one of those greasy
little patties of fat
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* / Automoderation.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:41:42 GMT

In article <BzLpMK.M5K@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org
(Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

(unnecessarily cross-posted)

>In fact, I'm not sure I'd want to face a net, or a
>soc.motss, without a Clayton or two.

Heh.  I'm willing to take the others as they arrive, but the
genuine article has overstayed his welcome by a considerable
amount!  :-)

<> Epithets like "breeder" and "cocksucker" really aren't parallel,
<> and can't be.  An epithet like "cocksucker" arises from the
<> *contempt* of one group for those in a stigmatized and/or
<> marginalized group; such words are commonly used as instruments
<> of social control, to warn people away from the behaviors of the
<> marginalized group (I'm sure that strayt boyz use "cocksucker"
<> much much more often to one another, as part of what I think of
<> as "masculinity practice." than they do to actual cocksuckers
<> like me), as well as to throw up a wall of fear and hate between
<> themselves and the (largely unknown and therefore potentially
<> dangerous, deeply different and therefore contaminated)
<> marginalized group.
<> "Breeder" doesn't work like that at all.  There is fear in there
<> -- fear with a real-life, adrenalin-pumping basis -- and as a
<> result some hate, too, but the central emotion is *rage*, rage
<> like that of a dog directed, after long and bitter experience,
<> against the person who beats it savagely.
<> -- Arnold M Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu)
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