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From: rex@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Michael and Nazareth (Possible SPOILER!)
Summary: Explanation of Michael's bitching at Nazareth
Keywords: andretti rahal indycar
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:44:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.rex.718407848
Organization: Bradley University


Michael Andretti was completly unprofessional in his comments after the
race.  Mistakes were made.  From my understanding of the events:

1)  Yellow flag.
2)  Pits radio Michael NOT to come in.
3)  Michael comes in the pits.
4)  Pits give Michael gas.
5)  Michael loses first place standing.

Michael contests he did not hear the pits in their attempt to prevent him
from coming in.  I assume his complaining after the race was the fact that
the pits did not wave him by after he was on pit lane.  There is no
question in my mind that Michael entered the pits the moment the yellow was
put out.  ESPN took a couple seconds to watch the broken car cross the pit
entrance lane.  They then switched to Michael, who was just stopping in his
pits.  That is a quick pit entry.


Apparently that long yellow that Michael complained about where he pitted
when he didn't need to was made longer than it needed to be.

After Michael had pitted for gas and the track was going to return to green
flag racing a call came in to the CART Safety Team about oil on the
backstretch.  This added 3 or 4 more laps of yellow.  There was no oil on
the racetrack.  The original cause of yellow had nothing to do with oil.

The call had come from car 12 or none other than Bobby Rahal.

Seems interesting to me..

-Robert Clark
rex@camelot.bradley.edu
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:01:44 GMT


In article <1992Oct3.210237.12723@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS) writes:
|>
|>2. Mexico City - Great circuit for high speed action.  The Parabolica
|>is the feature that makes this track great.  With the narrower tyres,
|>this should be even more exicting than ever.

Except that the Circuito Hermanos Rodriguez isn't on the F1 calendar any more!
Grrr!

--PSW
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: MIS, new home of the USGP?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Sep 1992 09:20 EST  

In article <183638@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan 
Jones) writes...
>Now that American interest is sparked up again in F1, there is
>talk of finding at new home for the USGP.  One suggestions is
>Roger Penske's Michigan International Speedway where they have 
>a little known infield roadcourse ala Daytona.  The last time 
>I can remember a major race on the roadcourse was the '69 CanAm
>held there.  Has it been used since for a major series and what
>kind of shape is it in?

Hmm...  One of the early IROC races (back when they ran Porsches) was run 
on the roadcourse, but I don't recall any races run on the road course in 
the last 10 years (unless IMSA ran there in '83 or '84).  The roadcourse at 
Michigan is not contained as it is at Daytona - it crosses the back 
straight, loops around in the "back 40" and crosses back into the infield.  
Much of the "back 40" section is not visible from any of the existing 
grandstands.

As far as racing shape, it would need work.  The infield portion of the 
roadcourse serves as the "main road" for the infield fans, while one of the 
crossovers is the primary entrance into the infield for haulers and fans 
coming in from M-50.

Money has been known to do some very strange things, but it would take 
quite a bit of it to bring F1 to MIS.  The roadcourse certainly isn't 
"world class" and I really wonder how big of a draw F1 would have in the 
Irish Hills (when was the last time that they had an IndyCar sell-out 
there?).

With established roadcourses such as Road Atlanta, Road America, Sears 
Point, etc., why even bother with MIS?

Then again, don't they have a roadcourse at Charlotte Motor Speedway?  Just 
try to imagine that pre-race spectacular "Humpy" Wheeler could put together 
for a F1 show...

JD
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Buick out of IndyCar?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:36:21 GMT

charles.e.slana writes:
>One thing that none of the reports, press or r.a.s., are mentioning is
>whether there will still be Buicks at the 500 next May.  I seem to recall
>that the Buick is the only purchased engine, where a customer actually
>owns the engine that they buy, as opposed to the leased/liscensed
>Chevys or Fords.  Is this correct?  If that's the case, I'd assume some
>teams like Bernstein's or Menard's would have a fair supply left, and
>enough tuning expertise to have a go at it again in '93, no?

Gordon Johncock narrowly avoided having his qualifying run thrown out when
it was discovered his engine (a Buick) had been used in another qualified
car (not his teammate's either).  Seems that the motor was given back to
Brayton Engr. and after the first qualifying attempt, checked out, and shipped
back to Johncock's mechanics who installed it.

The rule about using a motor from an already qualified car was left out of
this years rules.

Rob U
--
-       Rob Unglenieks             REAL race cars DON'T wear BOWTIES       -
-     "Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle           -
-      of compassion to embrace all living creatures."                     -
-                           -  Albert Einstein                             -
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From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:09:54 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <1992Sep29.142912.20582@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>Come on!  Berger decided to go into the pits and kept well to the right
>hand side of the track with plenty of space to overtake to his left.
[...]
>In other words:  It's pretty clear that Patrese just played this one
>a little too close for comfort...

I'd have to agree here. Berger jinked quite sharply towards the pit
entrance before braking and Patrese jinked right along with him,
probably thinking that Berger was trying to break the tow when in fact
he was trying to signal his intention to enter the pits. I'm not sure,
given how close the pits are to the exit of the last corner, that any
signal Berger could have given would have made much difference.
-- 
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james montebello (james@bridge.com)         'my employer has no opinions'		
Experience: a comb life gives you after you lose your hair.
	- Judith Stern
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:35:37 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
 <1992Sep29.151529.14051@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
 <1992Sep30.032347.25557@ascii.co.jp> <BLS101.92Oct1094010@deakin.anu.edu.au>

In article <BLS101.92Oct1094010@deakin.anu.edu.au>, bls101@deakin.anu.edu.au
(Barbara La Scala) says:

>> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:

>>> duane write:
>>>
>>> PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
>>> listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
>>> there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...

>> Alain Prost will be a pseudo-champion. He does not have
>> confidence in himself so vetoed both Mansell and Senna.
>> What is the meaning of this title gained by a coward like that?

>I think claiming that Alain Prost is a coward and would only be a
>pseudo-champion is a little harsh.  For him to veto Senna is entirely
>understandable.  Senna isn't just a rival he is a rival who, on his own
>admission, deliberately crashed into Prost in an attempt to prevent him
>from winning the world championship.  It seems to me that not wanting Senna
>in the same team isn't a matter of wanting to avoid competition but a
>matter of wanting to avoid downright dangerous competition!  I'm certainly
>not going to condemn him for that.
I don't know if this is true. I think Senna would be more dangerous if
they were not on the same team. If his new McLaren is not as good as the
FW15. I don't think that this is Prosts problem with Senna. I think he
wants to be the clear cut #1. I think he wants to always have the spare
car. I think he wants to get the best equipment and support. With Senna
or Mansell there they would have to work out a method for using the spare
Also crew support could be questioned.


>As for Prost vetoing Mansell, does anyone know what started this rumour?
>The Senna veto seems to be pretty much an accepted fact but this Mansell
>veto is a new one to me.  If it is true that Prost vetoed Mansell, and I've
>not read anything to support this claim so far, then I can see no other
>explanation than he wanted to avoid fair competition within the team, which
>is very disappointing.  Does anyone have any facts on this matter?
I have not heard anything about this, but back at Ferrari Mansell did
piss Prost off. Mansell cut him off or something on the track. I don't
think Prost finished the race. From that point on Prost had nothing good
to say about his teammate. Mansell publically apologized. I think in
the race after the incident Mansell let Prost thru.

Jonathan Swaby
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: IndyCar/Nazareth:  "Style and grace" -- NOT!
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:33:57 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <9210061825.AA15304@tektronix.TEK.COM>, TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com writes:
> 
> This is a typical response for this newgroup.  Here you have terrific
> 2 hr Indy car race.  There was tremendous dicing; a fairly spectacular
> crash with no one hurt; some great pit stop strategy (Rahal) and 2 of
> the top 4 contenders scraping it out until the very end.  The results
> should make Laguna Seca a great end of season race.  But I guess its
> not enough for some folks.  They've got to have a wonderful, emotionally,
> fullfilling end of race interview.  'Oh geeez guys, I drove my heart
> out and I'm so proud of all my crew and Texaco is the most wonderful
> sponsor and the bluelight specials are just sublime.  I'm so happy
> to be alive. I'm so lucky.. thank you Jesus, thank you Dad, thank
> you Ford, thank you ESPN, thank you Rec.auto.racing...'  Give the guy
> a break.  He just provided 2 hours of entertainment for you and he
> drove his ass off and he risked his butt big time in the process as
> did all the other drivers.  But apparently they've all got to be
> charm school grads these days.  Well no thanks.  I'll take a winy
> Michael Andretti, an arrogant Aryton Senna and an ungrateful Nigel
> Mansell any day to most other massaged, phoney-baloney public figures
> I see.  Hanging your ass out in a 1550 lb race car at 180+ is good
> enough for me.  Being a nice guy is not required.
> 
> --Terry

  Ok Terry, I give,,  When IS being a nice guy required.  It seems to me 
that someone being paid $1M + /year (soon to be much more than that) directly
or indirectly by the watching public owes them some civility and his crew
some respect.  This is the same driver who goes to the hotel every night 
while the CREW spends the entire evening and sometimes the night just to 
get everything right for our overly put out hero to come in and drive it 
(sometimes into the wall and then the entire process starts over).  
While I will admit that Michael is somewhat more at risk on the track I 
don't believe the pit crew is exactly safe out there.  I know that the 
crew works nearly 3 times as long and just as hard as the driver.  All in
all it makes me respect the NASCAR guys who come and admit to brain fade 
every now and then.

-- 
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:26:50 EDT
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    NASCAR: Tyson 400 running order

      After about 100 laps it's G.Bodine,Martin,
      Marlin,K.Petty, and Wallace. Good racing
      what I saw. It sucks now cause I'm back at
      work and can't pick up MRN. Updates would
      be nice from someone. Elliott and Allison
      are both a lap down.
    Brian " C'mon Bill, keep that 28 in your sights " France
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From: drabik@eecom.gatech.edu (Timothy J. Drabik)
Subject: Flat-4 in Japanese "Atlantic" series?
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:07:35 GMT

I recently spoke to one of the principles of Silverstone Motorsports,
a Canadian outfit that builds Subaru flat-4 and flat-6-based AIRCRAFT
engines.  I said I was interested in the flat-4 or -6 for application
in a mid-engined road car, and he claimed that a Japanese variant of
Formula Atlantic runs a 1.6l Subaru flat-4.

Can anyone tell me anything about this?  In particular I'd like to
find a source for the transmission and bell housing that is used,
as well as for info on development and race-prep of the 1.6--1.8l flat-4
engines.  Also, I'd just like to find out about the series.

			Tim Drabik
			drabik@solaris.gatech.edu
-- 
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:03:57 GMT


In article <rl+pqnc.esprit@netcom.com>,
esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
|>
|>There was a slight bit of confusion at the start.  One driver at the
|>back (Fittipaldi?) put his hands up and there was a yellow flag raised.
|>However, the green flag guy continued to give the green flag.  During the
|>delay, it looked to me like Schumacher was moving his car like he was going 
|>to try to go up the middle.
|>
|>However, with the yellow flag still waving, the race was started.

Actually, the lights were delayed, the yellow flags stopped waving, and THEN
the lights went red/green.  Presumably whoever had stalled or almost stalled
on the grid cleared up his trouble.

--PSW
From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR - N. Wilkesboro - minor spoiler
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:37:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

My wife called when today's race finished.  I resisted asking who won, 
but did find out about Davey and Bill.  Their results, and the leaders 
just after halfway follows.



Davey finished 11th, Bill finished 26th.  Davey cuts into the points 
lead again with Charlotte next.


Goeff Bodine led at the halfway point.  I saw a little of the race at 
lunch.  He was flying so fast that by about the lap 210-220 range, 
only three cars - G Bodine, Mark Martin, and K Petty were on the lead 
lap.  The race began in cloudy conditions, but soon changed to sunny.  
Some people were off on their race setup.  And, at the halfway point, 
no caution flags had come out, only one car was out of the race, and 
Bodine was cruising at about 107 (I think)
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth. Why?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:57:05 GMT

cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:

>Was it just me, or did Al, Jr. sound rather upset in the pre-
>race interview on ESPN?  It sounded to me like he didn't like the
>idea of trying to win a championship in a development car.

    VERY.  I noticed that as well.   Did he break his '92 models in qualifying?
Page didn't say anything about it, but the way Little Al sounded, I could tell
that he was NOT a happy camper at all.

    While we're talking about drivers' emotions, did anyone else get the
idea that Michael was very close to crying just as they cut away from him
in the after-race interview?  I admit that I'm not a partial observer,
but it seemed that way to me.  We won't even discuss his (expected) whining..

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
From: kroyce@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin J Royce)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Lamborghini Phase B engines
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:34:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To all those who have heard about the new Lamborghini phase B engine
and were wondering what changes were made, I can answer most of those
questions.  The phase B engines benefit greatly from a new set of 
lighter cylinder heads.  Unfortunately, I cannot say how much lighter,
as I never know who is going to read this.
Next year's '93 engines, being run only in the Larrouse cars, will be
smaller (front-to-back and top-to-bottom), more powerful, and lighter.
Again, however, I can't give specifics, but look for Lamborghini to 
be a force in 1994.
From: John_-_Madison@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Silverstate 100
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:23:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Interesting article on the Silver State.  I should probably point out that
John Little (jel@corp.portal.com) was the second place overall winner
in a 944 Turbo (top speed of 174mph).   Junior Wilson (no email address)
was first in his Pantera (this was probably the first race he ever finished).
Third place was Kelly Sievers in his Countach replica.

It turns out that there were four cars in the unlimited class, and that
overall winners were designated for people who did not want to bracket race,
regardless of their speed class.

There was but one serious wreck, and no serious injuries, so future races
seem pretty certain.
From: rmarks@MDC.Unisys.COM (Richard Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nazareth Grand Prix Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:49:18 GMT
Organization: Unisys Malvern Development Center.

In article <5OCT199214282959@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>Al Jr. had a G93 and I think that Danny drove a '92.  The intelligence of 
>driving what is basically a brand new chassis while having a miniscule lead 
>in the PPG points with two races to go is _very_ debatable.  The only thing 
>that I can think of that could justify that car selection would be the 
>performance of the '92 Galmer on the 1 mile oval was so poor that they had 
>nothing to lose by trying the '93.

Look, jerk, who do you think you are making such snide statements.  Do
you think you are smarter and a better racer than the Galmer crew?  How
many race cars have you driven?  How many have you built?  How many major
race campaigns have you participated in?

I'll bet anything that the reason they went with the new chassis was
because it was faster.  I'll also bet that it has a lot of testing
miles on it.  Do we know the real reason Little Al was a bit slower?
Was his engine a little off?  Was the reason some "trick" that they
would have tried on either the G3 or the G2?

Trust that these guys know real well what they are doing.

Richard Marks
rmarks@MDC.unisys.COM

(And yes, one year a car I built held the lap record at every
track we raced at).
From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:24:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <390@rehab1.UUCP>, dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
>
>  Just got word last night that its offical! McDonalds will be the sponser
> of Junior Johnsons 2nd car in 1993. The #27 (yes Rusty's old number ;-)
> will be driven by Hut Stricklin! Rumors have the #22 staying with Maxwell
> House and moving to a new team driven by Bobby Labonte.
>
> -Dan
>--
>  Reading Rehabilitation Hospital                 Network Adminstration,
>  Dan Schein - Information Systems    __|__       Programming, Parenting,
>  RD 1 Box 250                   ______(*)______  Rappelling, and soon...
>  Reading, PA 19607                   o/ \o       Sky Diving!
>
>  rehab1!dans@cbmvax.commodore.com -OR- {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!rehab1!dans
>
 I thought Richard Petty had McDonalds sponsering his racing team next year.
 If it's not McDonalds who is it? I don't think it is STP.


 Go Davey, only 112 pts to go
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From: zong@CS.HUJI.AC.IL (Yaniv Azriel)
Subject: Seeking advice
Reply-To: zong@cs.huji.ac.il
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:45:50 GMT

I poseted this article couple of days ago but our news server
crushed! I am reposting this, and apologize up front it the
article is duplicated.


Hi All.
   
  As part of my Computer Science studies (i have to do this you see, since 
racing ain't pays too good around here) i am designing an automated racing car.
In robotic lingo, i am told, this comes
under the heading of AMV Autonomous Mobile some-thing-or-other.
 
  The overall project objective is to program a a sufficently advanced 
driving strategy (involving artificial intelligence - or making computers 
think like humans). In theory, the final AMV system will be able to give any
human driver a run for its money, though i doubt it shall be able to
consistently beat the pros!
 
  However (this is the punch line!) AMV can only be as smart as the guy 
who programed it.  I am NOT very smart when it comes to driving 
racing cars. I need some one who is. Now, i follow the racing season, watch 
racing on cables, etc , etc. But when it comes to actual race driving expertize
i am, how to put it, a rather deep shade of green.
   
  If there is anyone out there, who is willing to help me out, i would be 
very greatful, but simply mailling me some advice over the next month or two.
Basically, i need describtion of driving techniques. A very basic technique for
taking a 90 degree turn would be (i think...)
   slow down as you approach the curve on the outside track
   as you take the curve, you should end up in the inside lane
   accelerate as you come out of the curve

  Then there are the rpms-gear-torque-couple relationships, other cars on the 
track , re-fuelling and tire-exchange strategy and a lot of stuff you only
get to learn hand-on!    

  That's about it, folks! Mail me all your proffesional wisdom and experience
accumulated during years and years on the racing track, or during hours and 
hours infront of the TV....

  Thanks alot!

  Yaniv Azriel




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Ps. I suppose we all watched Days of Thunder (or was it Rumble) starring
Nicole Kidman, and oh yeah, also Tom Cruise in a marginal role. The bit about
the sling (over taking a car by first sitting on its arse), is it for real ? A
friend of mine, who is a REAL expert of physics, she says it does not make 
too much sense since the gain from reduced air resistance would not be that 
significant. Does any one have a certified answer ?