From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: at the risk of sounding repetitive...
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:24:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I won't ask about your keyboard. I'm not an extremist either.

sstarr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Starr) writes:
-I am getting sick and tired of dilusioned far right wing Republican
-extremeists flaunting their "moral supiriority" and thier "values," and I
-am doubly tired of being labled a commie liberal tax and spend democrat.
-WAKE UP REPUBLICANS!!!  Ronald Reagan increased the size of the governemnt
-more so than any presidnet in history!  Republicans have presided over the
-largest non-war spending increases in history!  You are the ones who have
-raised spending for war toys and have gone into debt to avoid raising
-taxes!

Well I don't remember there being any Democrats at the time who decried
Reagan for "increasing government." You also note that the Republicans
you hated also presided over the longest peacetime expansion of the
economy in history. You can say we paid for it by our deficit spending,
but again, I don't see any Democrats contemporary to these years
complaining about it.
 
-Talk about the issue of "character?"  Did you know that Goerge Bush used
-to be pro-choice before he became Reagans VP?  He changed that position to
-fit in with the right wing. 

Did you know that Bill Clinton and Al Gore used to be much more in favor
of restrictions on abortion than the pro-choice position allows
currently? Do you think they changed their position in order to be
elected and favored by the Democratic leadership? I guess it wouldn't
matter to you.

- Do you realize that according to Alexander
-Haig, Ed meese and George Shulz Bush lied to congress aobut his role in
-Iran-Contra?  Did you know that Bush's campaign repededly and knowingly
-told bald-faced lies to the American people?  I personally thought that
-the best one was the 128 tax increases.  Did you know that the offical
-list of the tax increases given to the press has a numbered line that is
-blank?  It also has two listings that go over one line - each of those
-were counted as two seperate tax increases!

What are you talking about? I have all 128 as listed in the NY Times. I
don't see any blank lines. (My copy is now on a hard copy and removed
from my computer account to make more room for more files.) Where in the
world did you see this?

-All in all I think it's about time the Republican party ditches the far
-right wing.  It sickenes me when a party founded by abolitionists becomes 
-a hotbed of religious fanatics who want to intrude into the personal lives
-of Americans everywhere and pass moral judgements on the private decisions
-of individuals.  the Republican party seems to have forgotten the
-principles that Amercia was founded on:  Libery, Freedom, Justice and
-Equality.  The Republican party has abandoned the constitution and the
-principles of the "founding fathers" when it criticises protestorws,
-shoves a set of "family values" down everyones throats and starts to force
-it's fundamentalist religious beliefs on the American public.  Think aobut
-this:  how could someone like Pat Buchanon who calls America "God's
-country" possibly govern a nation which has written in it's bill of rights
-"Congress shall pass no law requarding the establishemt of religion nor
-restricting the free practice therof..."

1) Define the "set of family values" you believe the Republican party
espouses. (For the sake of discussion)

2) In criticizing protestors, which protestors are you talking about?
Certainly not the pro-lifers? :)

3) I wouldn't want government to pass moral judgments on everyone
provided that everyone will not avoid making moral judgments themselves.

4) I thought this country was founded on Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit
of Happiness.

5) It's quite funny to cite Pat Buchanan for calling America "God's
country" when YOUR candidates make a big deal out of being Southern
Baptists from the South.

-(O.K. to be honest some left wing P.C. extremests also piss me off by
-attempting to restrict free speech too...  oh well, I suppose I'm
-watering down my rightious indignation...)

What's worse than the PC extremists are the Religious Left and the
Compassion Police (people who believe the way to correct historical
exploitation is to allow the exploiters privledges over the exploitees;
admittedly a very preliminary definition).

And how about everyday people? I'm sure you've heard the stories about
Republicans tearing up Clinton signs and Democrats tearing up Bush
signs. The day this country has people who are ashamed of being
conservative/liberal because the opposing view is more "popular" is a
sad day indeed.

-So Right wing conservative extremists, stop mindlessly pointing fingers at
-the democrats and examine your own positions before you start throwing the
-label un-american around!  And, by the way, doesn't it bother you that
-even in Russia the hard line communists are called CONSERVITIVE and the
-individuals fighting for freedom and democracy are called LIBERALS?  (And
-yes, it was courageous individual protestors behind the Iron curtain who
-won the cold war for us, NOT George Bush...)

This is a wonderful example you give. Do you think that Communists are
consservatives? (Can I answer for you??) Communists in Russia had health
care for all its citizens; check that, all its Communist Party members.
Communists in Russia espoused a philosophy in which getting rich was an
evil and must be "punished" (i.e., taxes). Communists opposed any
religious movement and did not espouse or encourage the creation of
moral values on its populace. (Russian Orthodox Church banished for the
duration of the Soviet Union.) The Communists believe in a God-less
society (you know, "Religion is the opiate of the masses"). 

Does this sound more like the Democrats or Republicans to you?
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.