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From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Subject: Re: What would make a great hunting trip better? Your opinions, please.
Organization: AT&T
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:45:57 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


A hunter's wish list?  What an inspired idea for a discussion!  But how
*personal* and revealing.  Do I dare reveal to the rough and tumble
hunters that I'd like nothing better after a long day in the cold and
damp than to slip into a steaming hot tub and sip celebratory champagne?
Dare I suggest that the remote lodge should offer gourmet cuisine of the
bed and breakfast variety?  That accommodations should provide for
private rooms and baths?  That there should be full communications
facilities, including a fax machine?  Ah, I do love to camp, but on a
"fantasy hunt" I could combine all the luxuries of staying at a fine
resort with being away from it all and in prime hunting territory.

Wish list items that may be a lot more realistic:

1.  Video taping of my dream hunt, with all the mistakes editted out.

2.  Professional quality photographs of all game taken.

3.  Recording of game statistics in the case of a record-qualifying harvest.

4.  Full repair capabilities for equipment (guns, bows, optic)

5.  Expert guides.

6.  Sturdy and comfortable stands.

7.  Full processing of game meat (while this may be a problem in terms of
    taking it back to the U.S. -- who knows what customs might do about it --
    it should be possible to enjoy it while at the lodge) with an option
    of donating the meat to a food pantry (assuming they have them in NZ, too).

8.  Accurate brochures with pictures showing what it is REALLY like, and
    quoting "planning prices" for hunts (acknowledging that prices will
    vary with exchange rates and other factors).

9.  Staff that answers phone calls or calls back promptly.  Same for the
    mail.

10. Staff that are willing to be flexible to individual preferences.

11. A "buddy" program that allows the guests who might be staying at the
    same time to send contact information to other guests so that they
    could possibly get in touch with each other before the hunt.  This
    would allow me the possibility of deciding that the other person is
    such a jerk that it would ruin my trip and deciding to reshedule.


All this assumes, of course, that the hunting is fabulous, the weather is
perfect, etc.

Just my $.02.

Mary Otto


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From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:26 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hi Everyone!
   I have been "lurking" off and on for the last few months, and
really enjoy your stories of hunting in the woods.  However, I also
use the woods, and I have a few questions.
   I have a horse, and we compete in long-distance rides.  The main
way I have to condition my horse is by riding through the various
woods surrounding the farm where my horse lives.  I understand that
different kinds of equipment is scheduled in some kind of rotation:
bows, muzzle loaders, guns, etc.  I can hear when guns are fired, and
I avoid the woods then.  But what about bow- hunters?  I sorta think
they have to be close enough to the prey that they should be able to
tell me & my horse from a deer, but is this a safe assumption?
    What about the gun hunters I *don't* hear?  (am I being paraniod?)
I'm sure there are hunters at least some of the time in the woods
where I ride - I can see their stands and steps nailed onto the trees.
Occasionally, I will meet a hunter along the road, or just outside the
woods, and he'll say "yup, I'm so quiet, you passed only 50 feet from
me and you didn't even know it!"
    When are the hunting seasons in Maryland?  Is it true that no
hunting is allowed on Sunday (seems like a weird thing, but that's
what I've heard).

    I have reflective stickers (for bicycling) on my white helmet, and
I usually wear a bright orange safety vest with a reflective diagonal.
I often have to ride at twilight - the days are getting so short!
Most horses see much better in the dark than people do, so I feel safe
on that count, but are the hunters out then?  Will they be able to
tell I am not game?  Sometimes I also tie a bell onto my equipment -
will this mess up the hunting for you?  I'm just trying to identify
myself as non-game.  Is there some particular kind of weather or time
of day when no-one hunts?
    Is there anything else I can do (or not do) to be safe?  My dad
hunts, (in Indiana) and I love venision, so I'm more than willing to
share the woods!

Thanks for any advice or information!
               Rosalie Ewald


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From: breslau@watson.ibm.com (Art Breslau)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:21 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

When we ride during or close to hunting season, even in areas that are
prominently marked no hunting: Do *NOT* wear a white caliente helmet
even with orange stickers! wear a dark cover, wrap and pin stips of
surveyor tape to it. Wear your	 orange safety vest. Twine orange
survey tape in horses tail and in mane. wrap some on bridle and on
your reins. If you use a blanket under your pad/saddle, try and get
some safety orange cloth. While it may be condidered by some to be
hunter "harassment" make noise. Carry a whistle, if some one takes a
shot, blow and keep blowing!

My wife and I both hunt, deer, upland, duck, goose. I'm a N.Y.S.
hunter safety	 and bow instructor and we're both N.Y.S. master
hunters (trainers).


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From: dpf@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Doug P Forbush)
Subject: RE: Field dressing - How to?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:42:12 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>I was wondering if some of the more experienced hunters would mind
>sharing their best tips on field-dressing deer.

>I have had experience cleaning rabbit and squirrel, but have never
>cleaned a deer.  

>Thanks in advance.

Here are some techniques that I have used over the years:

     1.   Cut the deer open from the anus all the way up to the neck.

          A.   When cutting thru the ribs, it's easier to cut off to
               one side.  If the deer is opened all the way, it is
               easier to clean everything out and will cool faster. 
               A good, heavy knife can cut thru the ribs.  I have
               done this with head mounts as well, just leave the
               cape on.

          B.   Cut/break the pelvic bone.  This can be difficult
               with just a knife -I use a small folding saw (you can
               purchase one in just about any hardware store).  I
               find it easier to cut out the rectum if the pelvic bone
               is broken.

     3.   Remove ALL viscera.

     4.   WASH OUT THE CARCASS!  There will be blood of course, but
          you may also puncture the bladder (easy to do), intestines,
          stomach, etc.  You can carry water jugs in your vehicle, use 
          a garden hose if close to someone's place, etc.  Don't leave 
          urine, feces, etc. on your fresh steaks!  This will also 
          help to cool the meat.

I have done this for over twenty years and have NEVER had bad meat. 
Keep the carcass/meat CLEAN.  Hope this helps.
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: use six shot
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:46:27 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep28.084316.20252@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
= If you are hunting pheasant and come across ducks you are probably close 
= enough where six shot will suffice.  four shot will prevent to a great 
= degree the winging of both pheasant and duck, but six shot will give a 
= greater spread.  I enjoy six, because I come across quail and grouse more 
= frequently than ducks.  Have you ever seen what four shot does to small 
= game birds?

FYI, it seems to me that you misread the question and are
overlooking an unpleasant but very real fact of life.  Steel shot.
Of course the possibility exists that I'm confused about
which post you're responding to.  The original question, as I
recall, was what size *steel* shot to use.  But, even so, the fact
remains that steel is mandatory for wild-fowl hunting (duck, geese,
...).

That being said, I believe that #6 *steel* is too light for duck
and probably barely adequate, if at all, for pheasant.  As to what
#4 (lead) shot does to quail, it depends on the range and on the
choking of your gun.  To say nothing of how well centered the bird
is in the pattern.  I believe that more of a problem than what it
"does to small game birds" is can you hit small game birds with it?
Because the number of #4 pellets per ounce is significantly less
than that of the smaller shot, the pattern is not as dense at any
range and the likelihood of missing or winging is greatly
increased.  But it will probably take no more than a single pellet
of #4 to kill a quail *if* it is a decent hit (e.g. head, body).
That doesn't mean that I think that #4 is an appropriate shot size
for quail because the likelihood of that decent hit on a quail-size
bird, the "golden pellet," is quite small when you may have holes
in your pattern that are only slightly smaller than a duck or a
pheasant.  Thus the probability of crippling is increased.

You mention #6 having greater "spread" than #4.  I wonder if you
mean greater pattern density?  Certainly the spread of the pattern
does depend on shot size and varies from gun to gun to say
nothing of choke to choke.  But I believe that the effect of shot
size on pattern density would very much outweigh the effect on
pattern extent.  (That's just a gut feel on my part so if anyone
has statistics, please say so.)


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov


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From: toomer@CS.ColoState.EDU (christopher toomer)
Subject: RE: WHICH HUNTING KNIFE
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:44:27 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hi all,
  One thing that should be considered when choosing a knife
is the blade construction.  Last I heard, Buck was using a 
method known as case hardening.  This process hardens the
blade a few thousands of an inch deep, while the internal metal
remains softer.  What this means is that once you sharpen through
the case hardened part of the blade, it will become very difficult
to retain an edge.  If Buck has changed their ways, let me know.

Gerber, on the other hand, uses surgical steel.  Surgical steel
is hardened all the way through, so you never have to worry 
not keeping an edge long enough to gut a deer or elk.

If anyone can add to this, please do.  I am not interested in hearing
how great your Buck knife is, as I own two plus one Gerber.  The
Gerber is a lockback with a 3 or 3 1/2 inch drop point blade.  It is
also my favorite.  However, a big sheath knife is great for breaking
pelvic bones.  Yes, I carry two knives, and sometimes all three.
After all, I'd hate to drop one down a cliff, and have it be the only
I had...

Happy Hunting,

chris

toomer@cs.colostate.edu



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From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Mt. Lions DO STALK - coyotes, too
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:45:59 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

     I am by no means disputing any of the stories read here on the net.
I was not there, I do not know, but as a rule mountain lions and coyotes
will go out of their way to stay out of your way.  Sometimes, a curious
one will follow behind you to see what you are doing.  I don't care how
curious that critter is, if he is following me, I would assume a stalk.
The coyote has also been known to follow people to get the smaller animals
that are flushed by hunters moving through the woods.  They are very 
intelligent.  Keep in mind these are just observations made while
procrastinating for the two tests I have tomorrow.  I have heard mt. lions
twice in my life, they are very scarce/shy here.  Coyotes here are another
matter. They have nearly wiped out the rabbit population.  A logging
company brought some in to try to control the beavers.  That waas in the 70's
and they have gotten out of control, mixing with strays and jsut 
being a nuisance.

That's enough rambling for now, gotta hit the books

Steve

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Reply for horse protection
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:38:23 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


>   I have a horse, and we compete in long-distance rides.  The main
>way I have to condition my horse is by riding through the various
>woods surrounding the farm where my horse lives.  I understand that
>different kinds of equipment is scheduled in some kind of rotation:
>bows, muzzle loaders, guns, etc.  I can hear when guns are fired, and
>I avoid the woods then.  But what about bow- hunters?  I sorta think
>they have to be close enough to the prey that they should be able to
>tell me & my horse from a deer, but is this a safe assumption?

>    What about the gun hunters I *don't* hear?  (am I being paraniod?)

>*STUFF DELETED*

>               Rosalie Ewald

Not paranoid, prudent.  Although there are some folks who pass       
themselves off as hunters who will shoot at something they have
not positively identified, the vast majority of us are very 
careful, often to the point of missing many opportunities.
However, one problem with bullets is that they can travel for
a great distance past the intended target.  Therefore it is 
important to stand out vividly even if you might be well into 
the background of intended game.

We have hunted with horses and often hunt with Lamas (used as 
pack animals, not for riding).  We go to great lengths to keep 
these animals from being mistaken for game.  Since we hunt in 
woods with many Elk, there is a significant risk of mis-identification.
In order to make the domestic animals more visible to others in the
woods, we usually dress them with neck bands, saddle bags, and some
times hats, using international orange coloring (Hunter Orange).
This color is THE accepted way of hunter/pack animal (sometimes 
the same beast) identification here in Colorado.  An orange baseball
cap and lightweight vest for yourself can be obtained cheaply 
at any sporting goods store that stocks hunting supplies.

Good Luck

Bryan

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Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many of my most memorable hunting experiences
Colorado Springs, Co 80901| have come on trips where I never fired a shot.
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: doug@premise.Prime.COM (Doug Fosdick)
Subject: Binoculars for sale
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:53:42 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I have a pair of brand new Swarovski 8X30 SLC binoculars for sale. I 
ordered two pairs through a screw up on my part. I am would like to sell 
the second pair at cost. I though the first order had been cancelled
and I was leaving on a trip that week.

They are a wide angle compact roof prism design. In my opinion are the 
best binoculars you can buy for the money. In fact, I have tried all major 
brands of good to excellent binoculars and consider the Swarovski's the 
best binoculars available (with the possible exception of Leica binocualrs 
which cost 2 to 3 times as much). I have done side-by-side comparisons 
with Leica, Zeiss, Nikon, Baush & Lomb Elites, and many others.
IMHO, you cannot get a finer pair of binoculars. All of the professional
guides I have met use Swarovskis.

Selling price is my cost, $540. 

These are the latest version, fully water proof and with the latest 
coatings. They are not available through distributors (and thus are not 
available at "dealer cost"), are hard to get mail order (usually out of 
stock), and even mail order "discount" prices are usually around ~$600.
Check out Cabela's.

I will pay shipping.

Douglas Fosdick
(617) 868-4556 w
(617) 643-4801 h











Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: brcarls@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian R. Carlson)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: Clemson University
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:54:34 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:

>   I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
>   if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
>   for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
>   knife good enough?


The #1 most important thing that I MUST have in a skinning knife is a
guthook.

I dressed hundreds of deer with a plain old gerber before I discovered
the wonders of a guthook.  I now use a gerber bolt-lock with a guthook,
That guthook makes skinning a deer as easy as if he had built in zippers.

Has anyone out there used the Wyoming knife?  I have seen it but never used
it.  

         -Brian

				   "Yeah, I'm a lone wolf 

				    I don't ever look back" 

						   -Lone Wolf 

. 




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com (Michael F Wasserburger)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: AT&T
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:46:34 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep29.064539.8091@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:
> for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
> knife good enough?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Barry

  I've used a Buck Hunter for the last 15 years.  That knife will
serve you a life time.  I'm taking mine with me next week on a
week long Elk & Mule Deer hunt in Idaho.  I'll post a trip report
when I return.

Good luck on your first deer hunt!

Mike Wasserburger
wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: walt@diusys.cms.udel.edu (Walt Dabell)
Subject: Re: "Horsing" geese
Organization: U of Delaware, College of Marine Studies / Lewes
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:42:23 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article 9578@doug.cae.wisc.edu, powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
>
>All this talk of horses reminds me of horsing geese. I happened
>to mention the technique to a guy last fall, and lo and behold he
>went home and made one out of plywood. The next week, he and two
>other buddies tried it out on a bunch of snow geese. They managed
>to get within 20 yards of the flock and knocked down about a
>dozen when the smoke cleared. A guy watching them from the road
>then ran over to say that it was the craziest and most productive
>hunting technique he'd ever seen.  The fact that the "horse" had
>6 legs didn't seem to matter to the geese. Of course, snows
>aren't noted for their brain power.

Here in Delaware it is illegal to disturb waterfoul while they are
feeding or roosting (floating around in the water). I thought it was a
federal law.

In either case, it doesn't sound very sporting to me.
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         Walt Dabell  KD3GS (302)645-4225  walt@diusys.cms.udel.edu  
                  U of Delaware / College of Marine Studies
                      700 Pilottown Rd. Lewes, DE 19958



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: RE: Which hunting knife...
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:05 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.084428.27563@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
toomer@CS.ColoState.EDU (christopher toomer) writes:

> Gerber, on the other hand, uses surgical steel.  Surgical steel
> is hardened all the way through, so you never have to worry 
> not keeping an edge long enough to gut a deer or elk.

I've heard good things about Gerber knives, but never owned one.

My own personal favorite is an Uncle Henry, from Schrade.  I don't
think you can do much better for the price.  I also carry a Schrade
pocket knife...  I've not seen many "stainless" blades that I was
happy with... (and this includes the Buck knives).

> If anyone can add to this, please do.  I am not interested in hearing
> how great your Buck knife is, as I own two plus one Gerber.  The

Hmmm... I own a Buck also.  I carry it in my toolbox so I can use it
as a prybar.  I don't consider it a proper cutting tool.  Very
unimpressive; I found it was hard to get a decent edge on it, and
then it doesn't hold it well either.

> Gerber is a lockback with a 3 or 3 1/2 inch drop point blade.  It is
> also my favorite.  However, a big sheath knife is great for breaking
> pelvic bones.  Yes, I carry two knives, and sometimes all three.

I'll bet your Buck would be a good candidate for breaking bones.  That's
always hard on the blades....  It'd be a shame to mess up your Gerber. ;-)

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Subject: Re: Accident followup
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:53:21 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep30.074602.10192@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes...
>Bob Nehls writes:
> 
>While I'm on the soap box, let me mention one other thing.  Too often
>I see hunters driving around with critters hanging off all portions of 
>their trailers and vehicles.  This sight is very offensive to a lot of
>people and may drive them to support non-hunting issues over time.  
>Keep your own act clean and encourage others to, also.
> 
>Bryan
> 
>=============================================================================
>Bryan Call
>Hewlett-Packard Co.       

I agree with this 100%.  This practice of "displaying" the kill is
common here in Northern New Mexico as well.  The hunters who practice
this nonsense obviously don't realize the catalizing effect this has
with the anti-hunting wbunch.

--Dale



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From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: AT&T
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:11 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Rosalie,

I am so glad you posted, and even gladder you said that you are happy
to share the woods with hunters.

I would suggest the following in addition to what Tim suggested:

Put some hi-vis tape on the bridle so that the horse's head would
not be mistaken coming through brush.

Carry or somehow mount a small battery powered lamp.  This would be
even better than a bell and much less annoying for you as the rider.
Animals just aren't "lighted" -- nobody should mistake you under
those circumstances.

I agree with Tim that it is a good idea to just stay out of the woods
during gun deer season.

Happy trails!

Mary Otto




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