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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 25 Aug 1992 12:06:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.183150.4097@watson.ibm.com> 
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> mprats@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mario Prats):
> > How gay-frendly is the envvironment [at Microsoft]?
> > Any comments will be appreciated.

Do you know how to play poker?

> well, i'd rather work for IBM than get stuck next to Bob Sarver.

What's the matter, Jake?  Is Sargon just too *butch* for you?

Arne

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From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:12:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.4967
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D

In article <1992Sep2.024842.15326@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In <1992Aug17.001659.14197@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>

... [ results of predictions regarding the Repulsive Nazi Convention deleted ]

>>Now it's time to wait and see!
>


No, now it's time to get down to work!

It is time to go to your local Democratic campaign headquarter and do
some voluntee work.

It is time to pull out your check book and contribute to not only the
presidential campaign fund, but to the campaigns for Congress and
Senate and any state and/or local offices that are being contested in
your area.

It is time to put the bumper stickers on your car, bike, motorcycle,
little red wagon.

It is time to wear campaign buttons on your blouse, jacket, backpack,
whatever.

It is time to get involved, to work, to take action.

It is time to stop the bigots.

It is time to stop waiting for someone else to defend your right to
exist and to take the initiative to work for the defense of the rights
of all.


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	"In Germany they first came for the Communists,
	and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
	Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up
	because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the 
	trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
	wasn't a trade unionist.  Then they came for the
	Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
	Protestant.  Then they came for me -- and by that
	time no one was left to speak up."

			Pastor Martin Niemoller
			Berlin, 1946

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:31:25 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.211023.26435@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Public displays of affection, hand-holding, kissing, should
>be done without any feeling of shame or impropriety.  [...]

Agreed, of course.

>What I am talking about, on the other hand, is the more
>exotic things -- fantasy material.  Leather harnesses, drag,
>etc.  There are no public straight parallels to this (at
>least, damn few and far between).  And when there are, such
>things are deemed inappropriate.

Bob, there are plenty of straight leather people, complete
with harness, domination, bondage, absolutely everything
that you call (I happen to disagree with you on this)
"fantasy material." But no matter what you call it, all
these things are very present in the straight world.  They
aren't especially gay-identified, though that may be the
context in which you've encountered them.

As for drag, I think most cross-dressing is done by straight
men, isn't it?

Then we come to the most arguable point: "such things are
deemed inappropriate." By whom?  And no matter who it is
that finds such things "inappropriate" (in appropriate to
what, I wonder?), you seem to support, rather than oppose,
that sort of discrimination.  Explain that.  You *do* think
it's discrimination, don't you, a plain old-fashioned
prejudice?

<> The time is always right to do what is right.
<> -- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 25 Aug 1992 11:33:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.142735.381@mcs.gvsu.edu> 
orr@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) agrees
(big surprise) with Sargon the Butch:

> I tend to agree.  I have seen more and more masculine homosexuals lately.

Been hitting the bars, girlfriend?

> In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
> for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
> refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.

Overheard at the Grand Rapids supportive in nature gay teen group:

"Did you see Sarah today?"
"He's *soooo* fine.  So why does he hang around with
 that asshole Melissa?"
"I *hate* Melissa -- he thinks he's such hot shit."

Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What's a "beaner"?
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 09:55:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Tim W. Smith writes:
>There's an ad on TV about prejudice and hate.  It starts out with a white
>screen, then the word "faggot" appears in one corner, followed by "nigger"
>in the opposite corner.  Then "beaner" shows up.  What's a beaner?

A synonym for "wetback"; a pejorative term for a
mexican-american.
 
() The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The
() more light you shine on it, the more it contracts.
()      -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Insults
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:42:12 GMT

In <4871@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>(Interestingly enough, my High School colors were Maroon and Grey)

*Please* tell me you didn't go to Illinois Valley Central High School....

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Shakers
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:19:33 GMT


I'm surprised that no one has reminded Bob Sarver that all those
nice, considerate, well-behaved Shakers are dead.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:17:24 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <jtjnzkg.stephena@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com
(Stephen Arrants) writes:

>I'll check the SF Board of Education and see what the
>schools have on the menu that week.

No need, I have it right here:

   Roast Suckling Little Boy
   Saute de jeune fille
   Chopped Child with Vegetables
   Salade de crudities avec sauce d'enfant 
   Kiddie Crumble
   Milk of human kindness 

Lowers the budget while filling the tummy.

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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:07:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug28.032709.19749@menudo.uh.edu> elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
) Talk about stocks, whatever happened to Micsft?  As far as I remember
) Microsoft stock price used to be around 100 or so a few months ago, but
) now it's down to 70 something. ....or did I mistake Micsft stock with
) a stock price of some other company I was also looking at.

They had a 3-for-2 stock split a few months ago;
i.e., everybody got 50% more share certificates, but each share
was worth only two-thirds of what it had been formerly. 
Apparently, investors are more likely to buy the stock if it
isn't too expensive.

) I always thought Windows 3.1 would pull up the stock price.

It did...I think.  In spite (or perhaps because) of being
related to a shitload of bankers and other financial types,
I remain perversely and profoundly ignorant of such matters.
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: CALL/FAX Pete Wilson to sign CALIFORNIA GAY RIGHTS BILL into *LAW*!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:26:34 -0500
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Call, write, or fax Gov. Wilson and urge him to sign AB 2601.  If you are a
Californian, tell him it would make you feel more secure in your job. 
After all, we have a right to work, too.  If you are from one of the states
that already has such a law, tell him how it has improved your job security. 
Anyone from outside California can threaten an economic boycott of California
products and tourism, claiming it would be "bad for business."

You can reach Governor Pete Wilson at:
State Capital
Sacramento, CA  95814
voice (916) 445-2841
fax (916) 445-4633
Los Angeles office (213) 897-0322

 Chad Jones
 UCLA Department of Physiological Science
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: What it all means
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:29:38 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Sep1.174209.7129@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In the middle of a spurt, er, a torrent, I mean a burst, uh, flood,
>rush? [*] of postings, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> I no longer love your mouth
>> I no longer love your eyes
>[etc.]
>...and I just sort of wondered, y'know, what it was, and why it was here.

I suppose I should explain.

I am sick to death of the Bob Sarver / soc.motss flames. I'm
particularly tired of Bob and Jess baiting each other left and right.
I'm sure they enjoy it, but I find it tedious. As tedious as the
crossposting games of last month. Remember what Arne and Arnold did to
fix that problem?

So I've been finding every obnoxious post by Bob and posting some
tangential followup to it. Sort of a motss on growth hormones
approach. It's kind of fun, and gives me the chance to babble about a
hundred miniscule things that are vaguely motss relevant. I suggest,
humbly, that it is a more useful way of responding to this sort of
thread than continuing it.

The Laurie Anderson quote was a bit extreme. Call it dada - then it
sounds like it is Art.

>Robert (who suspects someone he's very fond of is busy avoiding
>        thinking about Advanced Calculus)

well, there's that too. Sigh.

>[*] I can't think of an appropriate synonym that isn't sexually
>charged -- why do you suppose that is?

multitude? excess? tizzy?
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 29 Aug 1992 09:13:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug29.135611.23692@watson.ibm.com> 
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

> *SMOOCHES*

*S*M*W*A*C*K* !!!

Arne 

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Libertarian Gala in SF
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:05:48 GMT

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) wrote: 
->It would be amusing is some of the Libs popped next door for a bit...

amusing, indeed ... but that's about it.  there's nothing in this for
queers (the libertarians have this idea that everyone would act
rationally and reasonably if they were in control, so laws which
protect the civil rights of gay and lesbian people aren't necessary.)

this is not at all to be considered a slam against june genis (i know
her, and she is a reasonable person in general) ... 

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Archiver
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:46:47 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.151238.8684@infonode.ingr.com> 
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug28.031909.19416@menudo.uh.edu> 
> >elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
> >> In article <1992Aug27.182800.1202@spdcc.com>, 
> >> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >> >Two new head-shots of Arne Adolphson for the motss.pix archive:
> >> >arne_adolphson2.gif and arne_adolphson3.gif, to be found in the
> >> >usual place.
> >>
> >> What is the usual place?  
> >ursa-major.spdcc.com
> >/pub/motss.pix
> >A fan!
>
> Why, a fan *club*, Arne.  

Shhhhh.

> I'm sure you keep applications by the bedroom door.

Oh heavens no.  Applicants are vetted by my minions *long* before
they make it to my bedroom door.  Do you honestly expect *me* to
break people in?

> ><Blush>
> >Arne
>
> Oh Arne, please don't be shy.

Too cloying, am I?  

> -jeff, Alabama Chapter President of the Arne Adolphson Fanclub of America.

You know, Jeff, we still haven't gone over the books.  Just how
much did the Alabama Luvs Arne! bake sale bring in last week?  And
the raffle? 

Arne
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:10:30 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Aug25.001427.9187@news.Hawaii.Edu>
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <l98darINNj9u@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM
(Jim Graham) writes:
>>Remember Martin Neimoeller, who said:
>>
>>"In Germany they came first for the Communists
>[...]
>
>This is a great story, but I swear, if I hear it one more time I'm
>going to snap a fingernail.

	John,

	Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.

	Not only that, but most people who quote it are unaware
	that Niemoeller didn't just "say nothing," as he avers.
	He was actually a Nazi collaborator until very late --
	too late -- in the game.  Once I learned that, his line
	started to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

	Not that the warning is a bad one in itself.
	Far from it.

	-R


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:32:39 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


Further proof that gay groupthink is alive and well on soc.motss comes
from Arne (who else?):


/(orr)
/> I tend to agree.  I have seen more and more masculine homosexuals lately.

/(adolphso)
/Been hitting the bars, girlfriend?

No.  He said MASCULINE homosexuals; pay attention next time.




(orr)
> In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
> for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
> refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.


(adolphso)
/Overheard at the Grand Rapids supportive in nature gay teen group:

/"Did you see Sarah today?"
/"He's *soooo* fine.  So why does he hang around with
/ that asshole Melissa?"
/"I *hate* Melissa -- he thinks he's such hot shit."



What's the problem, Arne?  I thought you and the other "enlightened
masters" of soc.motss were so open-minded. 

Orr didn't say that he thought *you* should follow the Grand Rapids 
example; he merely stated that *he* liked it.
Seems like you now want to dictate what other people like, even when
they aren't recommending the same thing for you.

Could it be you are all just a bunch of hypocrites who preach tolerance
but actively silence or ridicule anyone who disagrees with you?

My, my, my . . .
From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: net queen??
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:09:57 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Aug19.232300.855@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.022135.13801@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> 
>>melinda shore is currently reigning as Motss Harpy.
> 
> Most attractive Harpy I've ever met.  Hideous in her own way, I suppose,
> but all in all not _that_ monstrous.

agreed.
 
>>the position of Motss Great Dyke
>>has gone unfilled for years because of an almost even balance between
>>the chorus for amelia smith and the one for wendy thrash.
> 
> Amelia!  Amelia!  I'm happy to settle for Motss Vice Dyke.  (Boy, write
> one little pome for Arnold and he promotes me!)

Wendy, darlin', I'm afraid you'll have to settle for either Motss 
Great Dyke or Motss Great Vice Dyke ... I've arrived at the title 
"Vice Mistress" from another source (a club I belong to - Female 
Trouble).
 
> -Wendy T. {getting horny again, inside these curvaceous ones}

Amelia T., unbracketed, but horny anyway; and over 2000 articles 
           behind on motss.
 

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Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+  
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ulmo@armory.com (Brad Allen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Sept 8th: "A Vigil for Lesbians and Gay Youth"
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:00:31 GMT
Distribution: ca

"A Vigil for Lesbians and Gay Youth"

A vigil in support of lesbian, gay, and bisexual inclusion in the
Public School Health Textbooks:

September 8th
8:00 p.m.
the New State Building
(Van Ness & McAllister Streets)

for more information, call LYRIC at (415) 703-6150

[Recently, the very old and politically "Right" members of the State
Board of Education basically asked for reversal of progress made for
the textbook content including lesbians, gays, and bisexuals, for the
next seven to ten years.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:39:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug28.032443.27666@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob 
Sarver) writes:
>
>There is a religious group back home called the Shakers.  Similar to 
>the Amish, or the Old German Baptist.

I thought that the Shakers had died out, except for a few rather old ones
here and there.

>This is the model that I am asking we follow.  If we consider our 
>sexuality to be a private matter, then the various things we do related 
>to it should be private also (private==not up for public consumption 
>or gawking at on TV).

I don't consider my sexuality to be a private matter any more than
straight people consider theirs to be private (which is to say, hardly at
all).  Straight sex and sexuality are shown on TV, in the movies, on the
streets, all the time. 



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:31:50 GMT

> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>(rjwill6)
>/and if
>/those guys had half a clue between them they'd realize that
>/those same clueless straights will hate them just as viciously
>/whether they're in three-piece gray flannel or a fucking tutu,
>/but thanks all the same...

>I might believe this if it had ever happened to me.  Or to anyone
>that I know.  I don't mean to say that every single last straight person
>I have "come out" to was open-minded.  But I can count the negative
>reactions on two fingers.
>
>The less threatening you are, the less extreme the response from others.  
>I don't know why you struggle to avoid this rather elementary principle
>of human behavior.

I wasn't talking about individual straight people, or one-on-one
relationships.  I was referring to the homophobes who deny us our
rights and fight us every step of the way.  But since you bring
this up, I've noticed that two of the most out people at *my* work-
place, who are most liked, even loved, by their straight co-workers,
male and female alike, are a very nelly queen and a very butch
leatherman.  You seem to discount the intractability of the true
homophobes at the same time as you fail to give ordinary, well-
meaning straight folk enough credit.

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