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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: friendships....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:27:28 GMT

=========================
 tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
>> This leads us to the questions: 
>>	friendship for what?
>>  	what is friendship?
>>

 moh2@midway.uchicago.edu replies:
>Perhaps a rejoicing in diversity?  Both similarities and differences
>between people are part of what makes a good friendship, in my
>opinion.  If you have no common point of reference, then it's
>difficult to communicate....however, if you are completely identical,
>then you have nothing to say to each other.
>

 Agreed that diversity creates the opportunity for good friendship. 
 But then, which similarities and differences make or break friendships?

 Is friendship mere "something to communicate to each other?" 
 Is friendship just discovering diversity? 

 In my opinion, the answer to both these questions is no.
 Why, you may ask.

  Friendship is one amongst many means to achieve happiness. It does begin
  with discovering, knowing the other person. Knowledge of similarities and
  differences are essential too. But that is just the beginning. Happiness
  is not just knowing: what is. Happiness is also knowing and actualizing:
  what can be, what ought to be; in having made a difference in this mortal
  journey from the cradle to the grave.

  In realm of thought then, friendship is in exploring mind, values.... It
  is in deliberating about what is right, what is just, what is happiness,
  what is virtue; how, why, where, when, whats of life, of purpose, of
  meanings. It is in asking questions relentlessly, feeding on curiosity,
  seeking with our finiteness the glory of the infinite, the unknown.....

  I would agree, that all kinds of differences can (should) be respected 
  in a fellow human being. But, in a friend, all "kinds" of differences 
  can not be accepted. Agreement in certain core values and sense of life is
  essential to sustain any relationship. 

>>ps: whats in the two cups on your table?
>Hot chocolate at the moment...it's cold and rainy out - want some?

  Friendship, in summary, is in discovering and rejoicing who/what we 
  are and who/what we can be. 
  And having hot chocolate (fun) while doing that. :)

 Do you disagree?

T.Y.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Movie: "Chan is Missing"
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:29:30 GMT

"Chan is Missing" *IS* available (or was) on home video. I rented it a 
while ago. Interesting movie (b/w btw).  I also saw that it was on the 
local PBS channel a few months ago, but I did rent it first (on VHS). 
Just keep checking, you'll find it.
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Internment camp: Minidoka, INFO NEEDED
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:47:16 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

I'm planning a trip from San Francisco to the Sawtooth National
Rec. Area in Idaho. Along the way, we will pass close to the
town of Minidoka, which was near one of the internment camps.
I was wondering if there's a memorial or museum established at the
old site that I could visit.


Thanks,
DAN
shimizu@unix.sri.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Re: FUCK
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:18:58 GMT

Not to change the subject, but since there are still some people who 
insist on writing posts like this...
   If you really want to find out more on the origin of the word "fuck" 
as well as other swear words and most of the English Language, I suggest 
to anyone and everyone to read a very interesting and informative book 
(informative, but written in a highly amusing style, not like a school 
text book. Lots of fun to read)...
  Called ... damn, just noticed my sister grabbed the bok, and she's in 
Guatamala now. have to look through the closets to make sure she didn't 
take it with her. Anyway, I forget the author, but it was called 
"Mother Tongue" and it's kind of a history of English. It covers names, 
words, phrases, swear words, spellins (and differences in different 
countries), etc.  Really interesting stuff. I picked it up in the UK 
(paperback), I'd assume it was available here in the US, but I'm nt sure.
:::::Larry:::::
/./s

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Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.filipino,tx.forsale
Subject: Airticket for SALE-->Newark, NJ to Austin/Houston, 25 or 31Aug
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:20:09 GMT
Reply-To: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: parimal@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

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			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What Separates Us?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:01:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.150852.28707@nynexst.com>

  Also, I've been meaning to ask, but could you define the terms
  "desi" and "ABCD"?  I've seen them used to refer to Indian Americans.

Desi is from the North Indian languages (Urdu, Hindi, Bengali, etc)
meaning "from the homeland". Losely translated it applied to a
person of South Asian origin (Including, BTW, Zorastrians, Jews, and
Anglo-Indians).

ABCD means American Born Cofused Desi.

The South Asian region consists of the nations of India, Pakistan,
Bangladesh, Sri-Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and the Maldives. The PC (sic)
term is South-Asian. Though I've given up educating people, and
just introduce myself as Indian.

Regarding commonality between South Asian and East Asian cultures
an acquataince of mine, (I'd like to call him friend :-), studied
in China (did research actually) under a Ford fellow ship for
two years, then hitch-hiked from Urumq to Nanjing and back to Lahsa
on the way to Delhi expressed it best.

"The heartland of the two great culture zones have been almost
untouched by each other. The only exep tion to this is the spread
of Buddhism.

...

Neither strong economic interst nor the natural affinities of a 
common culture tie India and China together. The fact that they 
are both part of the same land mass means next to nothing. There
is no such thing as an Asian ethos or mode of thinking."

From Heaven Lake, by Vikram Seth, Hogarth Press 1983.

Unfortunately, when visiting "Asian-American" groups, I have
found this true.

Hassan
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 3 Aug 92 18:31:04 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <MDAY.92Aug3132453@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>     Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but the classification "White" to
>     some people means anyone in position of power and privilege.  The
>     following are classified as "White" by an acquaintance of mine who
>     claims to aspire to a PhD in Afro-American studies.  The following
>     are classified as "Black".
>
>
>     "White" - Anglos, Jews, Chinese, East Indians, Japanese, Koreans
>
>     "Black" - African Americans, Puerto Ricans, Italians, Filipinos,
>	   Mexicans, Haitians, Palestinians
>
>     Clear as mud, right?
>
>No kidding.  If you go back far enough in U.S. history (probably just
>to pre-WWII is far enough), Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans
>were clearly oppressed, i.e.  "Black".  So was there a span of time
>when these groups were "Gray"?  And when was it?  
>
>--Mark Day
>
>mday@lcs.mit.edu

  I don't claim that this person's ratings are correct.  Just in her
  mind, and in the mind of her cohorts, including my silly brother-in-law
  who believes every word she says.  She's also into this "sun" people
  and "ice" people philosophy.  What I'm getting at is that lots of people
  want to see the world as binary, so they've got to throw people on
  one side of the fence or another, leaving no room for in-betweens.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:01:41 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <77842@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <SHAW.92Aug14230334@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>
>>Who?
>
>>People like me, who cared about the difference and made a distinction
>>between the two. 
>
>The thing is that "oriental" is the term my mother generally uses to
>describe who "we" are.
>
>As a result of this I get less offended by people using the term
>"oriental" than people who assert that I ought to be offended by the
>term "oriental."
>

Yeah ... will someone explain to me why oriental is less PC than
asian. I grew up using the word oriental and still do. The first 
time I ever heard of anyone complaining about it was here on the
net.

-leon.
From: bhatnaga@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: U2 front row seats Aug 20th Foxboro St,Boston.
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:10:54 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.010803.20829@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.225017.16704@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
>jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>>

[stuff be gone]

>
>>p.p.s. What do you have against Laly anyway?  He always comes off reasonable
>>       to me.
>
>By the way, Laly is a lady.  So, Mr. Pak's last sentence should read
>"She always comes off reasonable to me."
>

dwight, what made you think i was female??? :-)  i'm as male as any
other male.  don't worry though, you're not the first to think i'm
female.  ;-)

good guess, jim.  what gave it away?  :-)

laly thao  "a co-op and a male at that"


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From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: REPOST: PRE-MARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCITIES
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:35:39 GMT

Hello Everyone,

Me and my friend have been talking about the fact that there is a serious
trend in many chinese societies around the world:

Pre-martical Sex is getting more & more common.

Just wonering what people from Hong Kong, Mainland China as well as Taiwan
think about this issue.  Both os us are pretty traditional and conservative.
So, we are against people to engage sex before marriage.

What I like you all to respond on are:
1) What you think is the trend now in HK, CHina and Taiwan
2) What can we do about it?

PLEASE DO NOT WASTE TIME REPLYING AND ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE
OR NOT.  WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!  I am just interested to see
what exactly is happening these days!!  So, NO FLAMES!!! PLEASE.

Baldwin (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:08:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.225017.16704@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>[peculiarities deleted]
>p.s. Your words above prove my point exactly about people of all colors
>     "whining."

But some dorks whine for the sake of whining.  Those dorks should
accept life for what it is; life is _not_ fair.  Whining is pointless.

>p.p.s. What do you have against Laly anyway?  He always comes off reasonable
>       to me.

By the way, Laly is a lady.  So, Mr. Pak's last sentence should read
"She always comes off reasonable to me."

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jlw@gestalt.austin.tx.us (James Waldrop)
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, JJ's lack of it.
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:56:07 GMT

shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>I explained to you very carefully why we are _not_ on a level playing
>field.  An electronic "reputation" is worth _nothing_ compared to a "real"
>reputation.  People will do and say anything if they are not held
>accountable for their actions or words.  All of this cybernonsense about
>how a computer alias is the same as a real name is just that: nonsense --
>anyone who believes that has been reading too much SF.

For you it's nonsense.  For a whole bunch of other people out on the
Internet it's not nonsense at all.  I, for example, have a long
history of going by the name Sulam while conversing on the net.
In fact, there are hundreds and hundreds of people who don't know my
real name, but who could identify me by Sulam quite readily.  If you
were to trash 'Sulam's' reputation, you would be quite effectively
trashing mine.  I know quite a few people who are in the same situation.
Yes, it's just a 'cyber-reputation', and doesn't mean anything, until
you realize that I've made a significant number of friends in this
``nonsensical'' manner.

> You can write with only the fear that you may smudge
>your "electronic" identity -- that is the extent of your accountability.
>If you irreparably damage your "electronic" identity, your real life goes
>on unaffected, and you can assume a new "electronic" identity.

I've spent approximately 2 years developing my "electronic" identity.
Assuming a new one isn't really an option.  And the fact is, there
are many people who have been on the net for a lot longer than I, who are
every bit as attached to their "electronic" identities.  Judging
from the post by Ed Hall, JJ is one of these people.

Sulam
-- 
James Waldrop
jlw@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu

I walk along the path muttering about signs and portents.
From: kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Economics of Discrimination Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:03:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <7738@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>|
>|Boy that sounds suspiciously like one of those nonsensical conservative 
>|economic arguments against affirmative action. "If one company discriminates,
>|its going to cost X amount more to operate. Then they're going to lose to
>|the competition. Therefore, in a free market, there cannot be any 
>|discrimination. And I have the Econometric model to PROVE it." Yeah right.
>
>Actually, that's kind of true in many cases (professional sports,
>on the player level, is one example).  But if the discriminated
>against minority is small, then the cost to the discriminator (i.e. not
>employing the best people, etc.) may be small enough that it would not
>be noticed.

Often though, the best person for the job will be very much like the people
already there, because they will be percieved as the "best fit."  Also, most
jobs don't demand the best of the worker; most jobs require that you show up
for work and perform the required duties.  In these jobs where there are few
criteria for employment other than punctuality and obsequiousness, factors
like race and gender become relatively important because they allow one to
distinguish between individuals.

There is no reason to integrate under these conditions.  In fact, there is
a good reason to segregate and discriminate: you can pit the different
ethnic groups against each other and weaken labor organizing.

-- 
John Kawakami                  kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu
                               ucbvax!ocf.berkeley.edu!kawakami
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:59:17 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <MDAY.92Aug14171333@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>,
mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
|>From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
|>Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
|>Date: 14 Aug 92 22:13:33 GMT
|>
|>
|>   hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
|>
|>   Sometimes this author feels compelled to be rude and repetitive to get his
|>   point across. Sure, maybe there are no good scientific definitions to 
|>   race definitions; however, it is pretty common to lump Indians (or Desis 
|>   if you prefer) in with Caucasoids. So maybe some of these people in the 
|>   US will STOP using the word "caucasian" as a synonym for "white", and 
|>   asian american for oriental. Both uses are incorrect and the author wishes
|>   to identify a misuse as both annoying and insensitive.
|>
|>OK.  So you admit that it is just "pretty common" to lump Desis in
|>with white people as "caucasoids".  And I observe that it's "pretty
|>common" to use "caucasian" as a synonym for "white".  But basically,
|>you have no grounds for claiming that your usage is any more "correct"
|>than all the people who you are yelling at in your rude and repetitive
|>way.

Look Mr. Day when someone means white, they should say so. If they want to 
include Desis in the category, they should say caucasian. If this so bloody
difficult then maybe this newsgroup is not worth reading for desis. Maybe
that's why so few have joined in the discussion. 

My grounds for "correct" usage are simple. Using the word "caucasian" as 
a synonym for white is AMBIGUOUS. Why use an ambiguous term?
Maybe you like ambiguous terms? Maybe you like to cloud simple issues?

|>
|>And I thought you'd been reading scaa long enough to know that
|>"oriental" is not considered acceptable by many people here.  I think
|>you may be trying to say that not all Asian Americans have East Asian
|>ancestry.

No, I haven't been reading scaa very long. I'm just finding out that people
don't like to be called orientals, which I will stop doing from now on. 
Yes, I am saying that all Asian Americans have Asian Ancestry.


|>   Note that I'm a product of the much maligned U.S. public school system in 
|>   white middle class suburbia, and I learned all of this there.
|>
|>Sheesh.  My condolences.  But this hardly strengthens your case.

Well, maybe not all of us elitist snobs like you. Don't let the mit education
get to your head.

|>--Mark Day

Ron
From: jj@alice.att.com (I'm just disgusted today)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:43:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23434
Reply-To: jj@alice.att.com (I'm just disgusted today)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug11.162351.18138@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>matter.  so, why do we whine about the "big, bad blah blah"
>who has done so and so to us--other than getting it out of 
>our system, what other purpose does it serve?

Oh bletch.  Look, I don't know why Laly Thao comes in with a
name of "Anthony Murtagh" (but you should look into this
contradiction posthaste), what you are, or who you are,
BUT...  

I Don't Much Care!

Do you think THIS is going to make the newsgroup a more
friendly place?  Really?  Do you?  Are you SURE?

Why don't you and Shaw, and maybe Pak, go off and start your
own newsgroup?  I'll put asbestos around that disc drive, and
even sound isolate it.
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From: nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: 17 Aug 1992 19:42:22 GMT
Organization: Berkeley Communist Indoctrination Facility, extension
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

In article <7725@public.BTR.COM> timlee@public.btr.com writes:
>According to a small article in a local newspaper, the Republican
>Party has adopted into its platform Buchanan's proposal to build
>a wall against illegal immigration.
>
>Such a wall can make it easier for politicians to reduce the number
>of avenues of legal immigration. 

And how in the hell does it do that? In fact, as jobs that illegals 
often take become open (because of "the wall"), there may be an 
economic desire to allow more legal immigration to fill them on the
part of the business community.

Pat Buchanan is full of bluster, but basically he is right on target.
The illegal immigration mess is detrimental to both the United States
and Mexico alike. 

But in time, the free trade agreement will reduce the incentives to 
illegal immigration (I part with Blustering Buchanan here).

>While the Republican in the
>White House negotiates free trade of various products, other
>Republicans work against the free movement of people.

Tim, since when was there ever any guaranteed free movement of people
across borders?  There is only free movement of people within this 
nation.

Nick Byram 
Academic Multi-culturalism is the New Communist Propaganda.
Peel away the "People of Color" rhetoric, and we only find one color--Red.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racism against WHITE in China??? (was Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:34:52 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug17.221424.24709@u.washington.edu> chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan "infamous" Lee) writes:
>I traveled for 6 weeks in China last year and what you described
>is the way the govn't intends it to be: BUT, not just to whites,
>but to everyone who holds a passport. 

Also if you are "white" but a Chinese citizen, you get charged the
lower fares.  I know of a few people (with Mediterranian complexions)
who traveled very, very cheaply by pretending that they were Uighurs
from Xinjiang.