HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Boyz)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Boyz)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.045032.23931@Princeton.EDU>, Frank Bilotti
<frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:
|>In article <1992Dec14.042541.24506@PacBell.COM> JOHN P. GLORIA,
|>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
|>>Frank, you are truly hopeless. Please re-read your post
|>>three times, S-L-O-W-L-Y....the stinking pathetic Skins,
|>>with their pathetic QB JUST HAPPENED to WIN THE GAME!
|>>The hell with the breaks or the zebras. The Great Teams
|>>win in December. I don't give a rat's ass to a sour
|>>apple, the scoreboard is what COUNTS. Does that escape
|>>you somehow?
|>>
|>>You have just signed your death warrant, you atheist,
|>>low-life critter you. :-)
|>
|>John, John, John;
|>	I think you may have been caught in a little contradiction.  So the
|>scoreboard counts this week?  Last week the skins were the better team,
|>although the records somehow didn't record that.  If I read correctly,
|>the scoreboards have had DALLAS as the winner 11 times, how many for the
|>Skins?  Better team, John? hmmmmm...  (: (:
|>
|>I AM TAKING THIS LOSS WELL, GODDAMMIT!! (where are the rest of my fellow
|>cowboy fans, I need some help)   ):
|>
|>FRANK
|>
  
 Yes it was a tough loss for Cowboys fans.  The Cowboy-redskin 
 matchups go back a long way.  Dallas has 'stolen' a few games
 and the redskins have 'stolen' a few games.  Yesterday, the
 redskins pulled one out of the hat.       However,  the Cowboys are still
 a young team and learning (IMHO).  So,  J. Gloria how about
 a little credit.    The Cowboys are making progress !!   The important
 thing is  how the  Cowboys respond down the stretch.    BTW,
 the mighty niners will never LOSE another game ever and will be
 featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated for the months of December
 and January .......:)


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 'Any team can lose' - J. 'except my mighty niners, sniff !'  Gloria

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Saints/Bills This Sunday (Alright, I'll say something)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec18.175625.245@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes...
>As a 49er fan I'm surprised that there is little traffic on 
>the net about the Saints/Bills game.  Should be a great
>game.
> 
>Who will win this game.  I am partial to NO because I think
>they are playing great now.  Besides, they are at home and
>it is real tough to play in their dome.

Well I think the Bills need this game more than the Saints,
I think the Saints will play good, but they won't put the
extra effort into the game.  I say this because, they can't
win the division, and they don't want anybody to get injured
going into the playoffs.  The Bills on the other hand have
to win this game to maintain the lead if the AFC, and AFC 
East.  I don't think the Bills will have a problem (knock
on wood) with the noise in the stadium, because they played
well against the 49'ers and that place was loud.  If the
offense plays well (knock on wood), I think the Bills will
win, because their defense is good enough to hold the Saints
offense.  The Bills defense has not allowed a 100 yard rusher
this season.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Whiners, NOT the NINERS
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Super G Burger"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:10:32 GMT

<1992Dec15.092109.6400@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
><1992Dec15.070827.28117@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><1992Dec14.051008.25870@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) :
>>Third, what makes you think you're a man?
>>
>Fourteen pounds of swinging meat and a bucket of balls!

You bought an x-mas ham and went to the driving range, and you think that
makes you a man?

>Did you faint Gordon. Yeah, I thought so! :-) Hey, you
>asked.

Well Gloria, I didn't faint, although I am short of breath from laughing
so hard.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:41:34 CST

In article B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
>Many Redskins breathed a collective sigh of relief after they beat the Cowboys
>yesterday as their playoff hopes look rather secure for at least a WC 3 spot.
>However, a warning, circumstances could arise that would knock them totally
>out and this could happen quite easily.
>
>Suppose Washington loses to Philly next week (a very strng possiblity since
>the Eagles are undefeated at home).  If the Eagles then win their last
>game (which they will), Washington still wins their last game, Green Bay wins
>their last two games, and Minnesota loses only to Green Bay, then Washington
>won't make it to the playoffs.  Minn. and Green Bay will have tied records 
>Minn will still win the division with the better div. record) as will Green
>Bay and Washington (Green Bay will beat Washington since it has a better
>conf. record).  While all this seems silly to predict these wins and losses,
>the prblem is that this is a very possible scenario.  I know it sounds
>crazy and farfetched but the Packers have been VERY hot lately and have their
>goals firmly planted on that WC 3 spot.  Washington must win against Philly
>next week in order to secure a spot (BTW, this would pretty much knock out 
>Green Bay from the playoffs unless they won the division because the Eagles
>have already beaten the Pack).


Come on, guys, lets get the facts straight before posting this stuff.
This whole senario falls apart since, in fact, the 'skins have clinched
a better conf. record than the Packers.  Add to this the fact that the
Packers beat the Eagles (not the other way around), and a Washington
win next week becomes a must for the Pack's wildcard hopes.  The only
way I see for Washington to get knocked out is to lose both games and
the Packers win both.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Peterschmidt        |  Overheard from the mayor of Hiroshima:  |
| Cray Research, Inc.      |                                          |
| dpp@cray.com             |       What the f..k was that!            |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: Georgia State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:30:47 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>The Cowboys lost this game plain and simple? Right. The Redskins lost this
>division race plain and simple. The Cowboys didn't win it. They are plain
>lucky that Ryp lost his SB form.

Some people believe that Ryp was playing way over his head last year. Count
me among them. This year is more like it.


>You better thank God that the Skins gave two games away (against the Cards and 
>the Giants), or the Boys would have been 2nd place in the division (the Skins' 
>6-1 vs the Boys' 6-2 in division record, the Skins 9-2 vs the Boys 7-3 in 
>conference record). More evidence of "the Skins lost the division, the Boys 
>didn't win it".

My evidence to the contrary: the Cowboys records over the last several seasons.
They are clearly a team on the rise, and aren't expected to peak. 

BTW, did the Redskins "give" the Cowboys 11 wins thus far????

>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          
-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Green Bushers
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:37:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)

In article <hatfield.723533212@s6.math.umn.edu> hatfield@s6.math.umn.edu (Gary Hatfield) writes:
>	I think it's about time the truth be told:
>The Packers Stink and any talk of play offs is pure delusion.
>You Wisconsin Cheesehead Fans ought to give up and follow a team that
>will win something.

I've always liked being called a cheesehead.  It's an apellation which
invariably dribbles from the lips of a mouth which wouldn't know a
camembert from a brie.

>By the way,
>how does some commie named Ulvis Katlaps who's 25 qualify to play
>NCAA Hockey?

Isn't this a football newsgroup?  Leave it to a gopher (an animal which
badgers eat) to somehow find a way to bring "hawkey" into the discussion.

BTW, you apparently haven't been paying much attention to world events.
The former Soviet states are no longer communist nations.


But, alas, I am forced to admit that, in the final analysis, you are
correct (I had to work to get all three cliches into that sentence).  The
Most Great Vikings shall win all further games of significance to the
movements of the planets and the stars.  I am but a lowly Packer fan who
hath dared to aspire beyond my means.  I humble myself before thee.

(And, now, will you all join me in a toast to the net.woofing.gods?
Altogether, now: ANTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-WOOF!)


-- 
Rick Schaut
UUCP:...{uunet | uw-beaver}!microsoft!richs

Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:20:14 GMT

In article <1gq3flINN1h9@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>Maybe Gibbs should "resort".....
>
>JJ and the Cowboys are   11-3
>Gibbs and the skins are   9-5
Geez, give them one season and they think they are the biggest winner in
the history of the sport.

JJ and the Boys are:  0
Gibbs and the Skins are: 3

Guess what those numbers are.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:18:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.161331.16482@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.210331.18665@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>In fact, I'll bet the '92 Cowboys could beat the - shoot! When did the 
>>49ers win their 1st Superbowl - '82 49ers.
>Then are you saying that the 80s Packers could beat the 60s Packers?

???  Good old EdLorian logic (or lack therein) ..  

>Which is a greater accomplishment? winning 5 in the 60s or winning
>4 in the 80s? Don't forget, you still can't back up your distortion
>that "it's easy to make the playoffs AND easy to win the playoff
>in the 80s". Your only defense is that I am not a rational person
>that you won't argue with me. What a wimp out!

And can you back up your assertion that it is tougher to win nowadays???

>But there is supporting evidence that the 49ers' championships in the
>80s are tougher accomplishment than the Packers'. So the 49ers
>may not be the best ever, that title may belong to the Steelers,
>yet one linear ordering is settled: 49ers > Packers.

Or the Dolphins of '72???  How can you deny a team that goes undefeated???
The 49ers and Steelers were great teams and had great runs, but neither 
of them can say that they were better than every opponent they faced both
during the season and in the playoffs..  Wanna guess who can say that???

>You don't have to accept it. There are fools who still don't accept
>that the earth is spheric. What can we do about them?

So, you are saying that because you state the 49ers were the best, they 
are???  Who died and made you god or even any kind of expert on anything???
I find more trustworthy reasoning from some 4 year olds I know... They just
don't take so long to try and convince people...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 15 DEC 92 16:20:44    

In article <1992Dec15.045337.2829@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes...

>I know that a lot of you people think I am some new asshole who is posting just
>because the packers have one 5 games in a row.  Well, this is untrue.  I only
>posted because I can actually feel the desperation in the postings of Vikings
>fans and think it is truly funny.  I figured I would rip on their team and
>hopefully get a few MUDDUCKS pissed at me.  I don't care.  I live only 75 miles
>away from Minnesota (Land of 10000 puddles) and have had to listen to all the
>MUDDUCKS tell me how great the Vikings were after the overtime 23-20 victory in
>week one.  Well now we're possibly looking at a much bigger game in week 17. 
>Look out MUDDUCKS, we're gonna get ya!!!

But you don't care that you're making a fool of yourself and making 
other Packer fans look bad in the process, huh?

>HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS.
> 
>p.s. All you MUDDUCKS who say it was a long time since the Pack won one of
>those world championships, I have but one thing to say:
>0-4 in the Super Bowl...Nuff Said

Oh, this is great.  Not only do we have to be reminded about that the 
Packers record of the past few (dozen) years is somewhat less than 
what we would hope for, but now we have Packer fans reminding us of 
this too.

Look, Jeff, if you've been reading r.s.f.p for a while you know I'm 
big time Packer fan.  But trashing the Vikings gets us no where.  
Isn't it enough that the Packers are winning?  Just enjoy it and quit 
trying to make Vikings fans hate Packer fans.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Dallas vs Washington
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:33:20 GMT

	HALF TIME SCORE:


	DALLAS 		7
	WASHINGTON 	7


Go Dallas! Go Green Bay!

Dan

P.S.  That's the way to go, .. Vikings!  L


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:26:25 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec15.201324.25111@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.174724.8216@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>I could put up with the "best QB of all time" and "best safety of all 
>>time" crap but this "best team of all time" has shoved me over the 
>>edge.  I'll bet none of you even remember the 60s Packers.
>>
>>I'm not going to say that the 60s Packers were better than the 80s 
>>49ers.  I don't want to insult you.  But you better freakin knock it 
>>off 'CUS YOU'RE REALLY PISSIN ME OFF!!!!!
>
>So are you, John!
>
>I am really fed up with your "Packers are the best of all-time" nonsense 
>just because they won 5 championships in the bush-league 60s. Which is easier?
>winning one playoff game to be champions or winning 3 playoff games
>to be champions? winning in a 14-team league or winning in a 28-team
>league?

>stuff deleted ......

>I pointed out one major flaw in his logic that he had NO WAY to answer. 
>Anyone else wants to take a crack?
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          
Seems to me, you helped prove his point, Ed. He's saying that it can't be
proven that the 49ers were the best of all time, just as you can't prove
the packers were the best of all time. Sounded like you said the same thing.


Who knows who is the best of all time? And when it comes down to it, who
really cares?

Tom


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: The 49ers are methodically brutal
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:41:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.192726.8052@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:

>Above quote by Randy Cross as the Niners lead the
>Vikings:   
>
>Niners 17  Vikings  7

I heard him say that, too.  I think what he meant was they're "brutally
methodical," but what the heck.  A W is a W, especially in December.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:50:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Aren't there rules against this? (Was:Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 02:02:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this

Isn't there some kind of net policy to stop people like this guy from sending
20+ copies of the same message? Maybe someone should report him to whoever
administrates the newsgroups...

-Teh Kao
From: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (zombie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com

In article 1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu,  harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
>In article <Bz9q53.B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
[...]
>Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
>lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
>who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!

Anyone know the answer to this?  

Thanks,
zombie
(A Redskins than that needs to know!)


---
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<>                    zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM                    <>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
From: JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rob Riddick where is he today
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:53:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I think that Rob is retired because of injury.  It's too bad, he was the
most consistent third down back the Bills have had in years.  I used to love
to watch him jump over the top of a pile to get the yardage the Bills
needed.

Joe C. - A Frank Reich Wanna Be
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: BIlls are READY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:26:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


After this weekend I think that the BILLS are ready to take the SB, In previous
years they played their best ball in weeks 12 ->14 but this year they are just 
now PEAKING. Iwatched them do whatever was necessary to beat Denver (a very 
good team).  they won they DOMINATED, if not for a fluke on-sides kick the game
would have been a total blow out!!.

Pittsburg ? Miami ? forget it you guys are not even in the same Leauge as the
BILLS!! flame  away but mark my Words...


I have to live with the falcons (yuck yuck yuck)
From: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos News: Elway *will* play!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:53:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Dec17.042034.8546@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary  
Strand) writes:
>   The latest news is that Elway will definitely play Sunday's game against
>   the Seahawks.
> 
>   However, his return is too little too late. Even if Denver wins its last
>   two games, 9-7 is a pretty lousy record for going into the playoffs.
> 
>   This season has pretty much been a wash for the Broncos, as no-one has
>   really played that well. Elway, the OL, Gaston Green, and the WRs have had
>   an atrocious offensive output. Indeed, Denver was shut out twice, for the
>   first time in the history of the franchise. That's hard to believe, con-
>   sidering how incredibly awful the Broncos were for the first 15-16 years
>   or so.

Ah, time out here!  Elway carried his team on his back in the games he played.   
Sure, all the other Broncos suck, but Elway's record was 7-2 and he carried his  
team to every win.

Also, the offense was never shut out when Elway was at the helm.

---------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro