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From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Subject: Re: Mary Chapin-Carpenter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:03:48 GMT

Debbie Scheibal <DPDS@SIUEMUS.BITNET> writes:

>> Chapin-Carpenter is great. And I'm not so sure she's playing country, but
>> she has the country attitude.

>I'll second that opinion!  Just got her CD on Saturday.  The Indigo
>Girls and Rosanne Cash do back-up on a couple of her songs.  Also,
>when venturing in the local "Record Store" I saw a "Lullabyes" CD
>that Rosanne Cash, The Indigo Girls, & Mary Chapin-Carpenter each
>had a song or two on.  I was short on Cash so I couldn't get it.  I'm
>sure it's a goody though.  Anybody have it?  Opinions?

>Debbie

MCC started out as a folk singer and then realized that most of her audienc
was country.  She didn't change much but she focused on the more country 
aspects of her music.  I don't have the Lullabyes CD, hadn't heard of it.
I'm going to go get it now.  By the way.  The Indigo Girls, Mary Chapin-
Carpenter, Nancy Griffith, and Julie Gold<wrote From A Distance> were on a
female songwriter special of Austin City Limits.  They all were Wonderful!!!
Mary Chapin-Carpenter also did some background vocals for the Indigo Girls
on their Nomads, Indians, and Saints release.  I saw MCC in concert in 
Indiana a few weeks ago, she has wonderful stage presence.  
	  
	  Ceridwyn
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:25:33 EDT
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Subject:      Mike Oldfield

On the recommendations of Janski and Calum, I picked up _The Complete Mike
Oldfield_. Why did I wait so long?! To start with, the live songs are
masterful...Particularly "Platinum" and "Mount Tiede". Some nice instrumentals
and a new vocal tune that's good ("Crimes of Passion" - Janski, it didn't have
"Pictures in the Dark", I'll have to look in vinyl stores for the EP). Even an
extended version of "Shadows on the Wall"...

Good liner notes too. I never realized that "Arrival" is a cover of an Abba
tune! Cool!

Picked up _The Killing Fields_ as well, but haven't had a chance to listen to
it yet. From the snippets I've heard from The Complete..., I can see why Carol
was moved by the music in the film.

Bob T
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Trip to the great wet North

I'm fixing to go to Seattle for a couple of weeks starting next week.
Do any of you ALLMUSICers have any recommendations about clubs,
bands playing there, restaurants,...?

Please email me.

Thanks,
Bob
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From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:27:57 GMT

Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET> writes:

>I'm glad to see someone recommend the Indigo Girls - I'm not at all familiar
>with them, but my college stations played one of their tunes recently, and
>it got me *very* interested. I didn't have a clue about who it was until the
>DJ back-announced that it was Indigo Girls. Is their recent album (Rites of
>Passage, I presume?) a good place to start? If not, where?

>Thanks,
>Paul Heroy

Start anywhere.  If you are into more basic music.  No strings attached, begin
with their first, "Strange Fire."  They recorded it live in studio, no touching
up.  They just played the songs until they liked them.  All of their music is
incredible lyric-wise.  The music scores in the albums show an evolution from
the performance oriented to the album conscious.  "Rites of Passage" is still
far from the *usual* music in the modern scene.  It is, in fact, a journey for
the listener.  I doubt you will ever be disappointed with the Indigo Girls.  I
have listened to their songs an infinate number of times and I still find new
meanings in the lyrics <I'm an intelligent person, it's not because I have 
been searching for meaning and am now just finding it, there are so many 
possibilities found in the music>.
Better stop babbling for now. 
If you have questions, I'll be happy to answer them if I have any earthly idea.
Ceridwyn
jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

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From:         Julie Meloni <JCMELO00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Irish music/religion
              9 Oct 1992 11:20:06 CDT from <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>

In response to Rev Dave Hall's question "Why  do we chastise people who
do [speak out politically]," I honestly do not know.  If you want music
with a message, a clear message only hindered by the fact that it IS a message
and people don't seem to like messages nowadays, get  your friends to buy the
Indigo Girls' RITES OF PASSAGE album.  Heck, buy any of their albums.  Their
music is brilliant, their lyrics are powerful, and relatively few people buy
their music.  For the most consequential album in at least 20 years not to go
gold yet (it's been on the shelves since 12 May) is truly a testament to the
lack of intelligence among mass society.  I'll be more that happy to talk
with anyone at length about the IG's music and their message.

Julie Meloni, Univ. of Kentucky
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SRV
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On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:21:51 EDT <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM> said:
>While I'm yammering on here, I just wanted to mention that his version of
>"Little Wing" from _The Sky Is Crying_ is one of the greatest pieces of music
>I've ever heard. He combines every single one of his influences into one song
>(Hendrix, blues, jazz, etc.). And this was an outtake!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I really love this! I almost lose it every time I listen to this cut.
One time I was in my car and it came on the radio and I could barely drive -
fortunately I was on a lightly traveled street and at a stop light for most
of the tune - I must have looked weird to fellow drivers, grimacing and
waving my head and hands all over!

Paul Heroy
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Tom Waits' drums - a secret unveiled :)

Hi all,
        an Italian magazine has recently issued an interview with Tom Waits.
I believe it's a translation of an English (or American) interview, so it may
be that some of you have already seen it. There was a very funny point, any-
way, which I would like to quote. Notice that this is translated from Italian,
so you may have seen it in a similar yet different form.

Q: How do you manage to record those strange drums sounds?
A: I like to experiment. I basically hate drums, they never sound how I would
   like them to sound. But I try the weirdest possible things. I have a couple
   of good engineers, too... they are ready to try anything, really. I mean,
   if I said "I want to put a microphone up the a** of that bull over there
   and kick his belly to hear how that sounds" they would reply "OK, Tom, I
   think we should use a Shure SM-57. Bring the bull, we'll do the rest - no
   problem".

        The man will never change, I'm afraid. :)

        Ciao, Marco
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Date: 15 Oct 92 04:54:53 GMT
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Does size count, ladies and gentlemen? The 53 pieces Schoenberg did
write compare very favourably indeed to the output of ANY other composer,
and the numbers be damned.
MW Morse
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: classical training,improv,heart
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:10:17 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92101518385940@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET> writes:
>>There are some other things which I want to stress, namely that the
>>improviser has to be ready for musical situations that are NOT planned,
>>to a much wider degree than music that is completely written out.
>>As this dynamic is played out, it creates the situation in which many
>>things can happen which are not possible if the music is all written
>>out.
>>
>Yes, but--.   Remember that the most important job--and hardest--is listening
>to what the others around you are doing (& how they are doing it).  Both
>improviser and score-reader are equally involved in this; a classical ensemble
>with no feel of ensemble play sounds like shit, believe me.

when you are playing something from the score, of course you have to
listen to the others in the ensemble.  but you listen off what you
expect, if the drummer puts an accent in the wrong place, you won't
really play off that.  in improvisation, a drummer many put an accent in
a different and unexpected place, and you have to be able to handle
that.  not only do you have to be ready for that, to be able to 
play off that, to make it part of the music.  That is quite a significant 
difference.

jeff
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>         Bob T. writes:
>> I am a huge Marillion fan.
>
>Well, then maybe you can tell me something about the gossip that
>Marillion's soloist (sorry - don't know his name) had some kind of
>freak with his mind and thought that he was Peter Gabriel?
>     Ilia.

Well, to say that Marillion was influenced by early Genesis is probably
understating things just a little...The first two Marillion albums (_Script
for a Jester's Tear_ and _Fugazi_) were very much in the style (musically and
vocally) of _Foxtrot_ or _Nursery Crymes_. On stage, Fish (he was the lead
singer until 1987) took to wearing warpaint, costumes, etc. and certainly
brought back images of Gabriel's early theatrics. The B side to their first
single (EP really) was a 17 minute track called Grendel. It just oozes Genesis.

By the time _Misplaced Childhood_ came out in 1985, Fish and Marillion had
developed their own distinctive sound. Fish was (and still is) a very powerful
vocalist and lyricist. Though they still bowed their heads to Genesis, they
carved their own niche in "progressive" music. Steve Rothery is an excellent
guitarist who can reproduce those polished sounds effortlessly live.

I saw in someone's post a line saying something to the effect that Gothic,
progressive rock had a lot of virtuosity, but no heart. While I typically
would agree with that statement in reference to Yes and ELP, it sure doesn't
apply here. Fish was not only an exciting and passionate performer live, he
could write some very personal lyrics (just check out his latest solo album
_Internal Exile_).

What do the rest of you "progressive" fans think about Marillion? Ilia, do you
think they borrowed a bit too much from Genesis?

By the way, Fish is much better now and does not think that his newest album is
called _Us_....

Bob T
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From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: lyrics\

>      I know there was a ftp site where you could get the lyrics of many bands,
>but I have totally forgotten the address.  If anyone knows of this site, could
>you please let me know.

The address is cs.uwp.edu or 131.210.1.4 (I've only gotten the numbers to
work).  There's quite a bit of stuff there, sime of it usefull.  In
addition to lyrics, there are GIFs, discographies, music press releases,
guitar tab, etc.....  Pretty neat.

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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SRV
              7 Oct 1992 14:21:51 EDT from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:21:51 EDT <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM> said:
>I've seen clips of Stevie Ray's show at the El Mocambo and it's pretty
>phenomenal. I believe this show was sometime after _Texas Flood_ but before
>he released _Couldn't Stand The Weather_.
I would have loved to have been in the audience to experience that, I've seen
him twice. He had emotions when he played he gave it all. I think he was better
plyer when he was strung out....but i don't advocate hard drug use.....
His rhythm playing is outstanding

>First time - He opened for Dire Straits at the Montreal Forum (Stevie Ray and
>Mark Knopfler in the same building!). This was just before the release of
>_Soul To Soul_. Absolutely blew the crowd out of their seats..."Voodoo Chile"
>left me in a state of bewilderment.
His version of Voodoo Chile is very very good, and Mark Knopler is in a class
by hisself not only for his chops, but also his style and tasteful ness. Lets
be honest here anytime Chet Atkins wants to play with you you've got to have
something going for you......L.W.
>number that was filled with emotion. Now this is what Leonard was talking
>about!!! When he finished, the rest of his band came out and hugged him as he
see leonard does have sense...L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:56:05 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: To Paul Heroy (KC remastered).

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:22:32 EST Ilia said:
>Paul,
>
>   you mentioned remastered "Lark's Tongues in Aspic". How is remastered
>version different from the original (I mean, did R.F. change anything in
>the music, or is it just a remix?)

I'm sure none of the actual music was changed, just the quality of the
sound on the digital master for the CD. Many early transfers of analog to
digital were poorly done because the technology and techniques were not
understood well, and some of these have been redone (such as LTiA). Sometimes
the change is quality is dramatic (especially if the original transfer was
done from a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th generation copy of the original master),
and sometimes it's not.

As technology improves, this may be a more frequent occurrence - I saw an
interview with someone (either a conductor or a recording engineer, I forget
who), in which he claimed pressure from the record company to remaster an
already remastered older recording, merely to take advantage of 18 bit digital
technology. Of course, this takes time and money which could instead be spent
on making new recordings, so there's a question of priorities. (They can then
trumpet exaggerated claims of New! Improved! 18 Bits! as proof that they have
a better 'product'. As usual, it seems marketing drives the record companies,
not music. And now they're up to 20 bits....)

Paul
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Subject:      RE: REALITY CHECK

Yeah, Jeff 's right, fer SURE... hear, you must... I don't know 'bout
the good ole daze, as I wuz too busy PLAYIN' to join in on net discussions;
but there are SEVERAL folks on the net these days who DO "do it"!  I tend
to agree that there are many who don't, but I'm tellin' you man, it's NICE
to have folks to bounce off of who KNOW a little of what I'm speaking of.

If yer' interested in hearing more about what ZZAJ PRODUCTIONS does in
the way of "DOING IT", get in touch with me via e-mail, eh?  Can't agree
that there are only 'talkers' on ALLMUSIC, man!

Best evidence will be a review of OHM's new CD (actually a prereview, as
I'll be publishing a FULL review in "Improvijazzation Nation" #7 'round
December).

Keep on DOIN' it!

ZZAJ
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From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psychedelic favorites

1.  Tomorrow Never Knows  (The Beatles)
2.  Dazed and Confused (live) (Led Zeppelin)
3.  The End (The Doors)
4.  Strawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles)
5.  Lucifer Sam (Pink Floyd)
6.  Truckin' (Grateful Dead)
7.  21st Century Schizoid Man (King Crimson)
8.  Dark Side of the Moon (Floyd)
9.  Meddle (Floyd)
10. Ravi Shankar live at Monterey Pop Festival 1967

Mike Masuda
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From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Top 5 Mega-Obscure Vocalists

1) Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
2) Iva Bittova
3) Demetrios Stratos
4) Valentina Ponomorova
5) Rossy

I've gotten new CDs featuring all of the above lately, except Stratos, who
Marco sent me a tape of some old solo recordings (thanks!).

Nusrat's field is a Moslem devotional singing called qawwali, kind of a vocal
equivalent of dervish dancing. He leads a troupe of maybe a dozen performers:
another singer or two that he does call-and-response stuff, a vocal chorus,
harmonium, tablas, and hand claps. The singing is intensely melismatic, full
of curliques like Arab graphic design, and the rhythm is hugely compelling.
Nusrat's coming to sing at Harvard this weekend, got my tickets last month...
Recordings can be found on Peter Gabriel's Real World label, Shanachie, and
some of the world music labels that existed before it became marketable.

Bittova's a Czech actress/violinist/singer/songwriter, and her stuff is real
primal, as in Jungian archetypes. Her persona goes from sylph-like to witchy
at the drop of a violin bow.

Stratos sang for the excellent '70s Italian progressive rock group Area, and
also did some experimental "classical" stuff, recording his own compositions
as well as John Cage and suchlike. He died of a brain hemmorhage, which was
widely believed to have been brought on by the excessive force of his voice.

Ponomorova is a gypsy singer from Russia, who's been studying shamanic vocal
music from Siberia. There's a recent recording of improvisations featuring
her, drummer Ken Hyder (Talisker), saxophonist Tim Hodgkinson (Henry Cow!).

Rossy's a singer and bandleader in Madagascar. Obviously you can hear him on
_A World Out of Time_, the collection of Malagasy music that Henry Kaiser and
David Lindley went to Madagascar to record (Shanachie), where Rossy does a
great version of "I Fought the Law."
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From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Perfumed ambience

[Lots o' interesting stuff deleted]

>virtuosity            metal revival
>mood                  late 80s pop (Sting, Peter Gabriel, dirge music)
>ingenuity             world beat
>beat                  rap, house
>melody                90s pop (the better of modern rock)
>
>According to this scheme, there should be another wave of virtuosity
>coming along that will be an offshoot of the funky house music pop
>that's going on now.  Taking simple pop ideas and going crazy with them.

Like....The Orb.  Gah!  I know everyone's heard enough from me about them.
Anyway, I was told about a new group Prodigy with a forthcoming album and
"If you like  Orb, you'll probably like Prodigy."  Anyone else heard of
them?  I've seen their single but haven't actually heard them yet.
Well, considering current economic situations, I'll probably have to wait
untill my radio station gets the album...unless someone out there can give
me something more definate.  Anyone, anyone...Buhler, Buhler... woops, sorry.

P.S.  I missed the Michael Hedges concert tonight.  Anyone else from the
Richmond area go?  Actually, you better not tell me.  I might have to track
you down and take revenge of some sort.  Hedges is quite the guitar master
IMHO and I would LOVE to have seen him live.  Ah well, I'll just have to
listen to a few of his albums as I write this stupid paper....'tis not fair.

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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Psychedelic favorites

How about Strawberry Alarm Clock?

Hey, does anyone happen to know whether this band and the Strawbs
(who I never heard) were related?  The same?

During the period when the Strawbs might have been popular I must
have been asleep -- wait a minute, I was stoned.  Yeah, that's it.
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