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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:26:56 GMT

In article <100630@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <Bx7JDL.6z@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>
>>No, the world is not coming to an end, and the USA will survive even if
>>Clinton isn't a good president.
>No not immediately. It's also not clear that the USA will survive in the
>long run if Clinton and his Democratic congress spend us into eternal
>hell during the next four years.

I agree that it *is* possible, but it would be harder to do than Bush's
and Reagan's HUGE deficits (their budget compromise:  Okay, we want this
and you want that?  Lets both do it and run up a $4 TRILLION debt).

Also keep in mind that the deficit went *down* during Carter's admin.
{Granted that inflation and interest went up}

>
>>Buck up, there's always '96....and who knows you may even get to like
>>us, and feel that we've done some good for the country.............
>
>There's also Europe, which by '96 may have already blown the US away
>economically (not to mention the Japanese)...

Unfortunatley you are incorrect.  With the way the economy is set up,
a unproductive/poor US = a poor world economy.  And vice versa.  It won't
be a matter of the US left in the cold, but the WORLD economy going to
hell and a gradual decline to UKesque existance.
This would take far longer than 4 years to do.

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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The Presidency
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:31:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Nov5.141216.25561@exu.ericsson.se> ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se
writes:

>Now for my issue. How can we elect a president from a small
>state, with no federal experience to be in charge of foreign
>policy and the defense of our country? 

People always think that they can elect some "good king" who will end their
troubles overnight.

>The budget and economy
>are the responsibility of the congress. Congress always spends
>more than they take in, therefore our deficit. What qualifications
>does this guy (who 4 out of 10 people voted for) have to run
>this country?  

None whatsoever :-)

>Back to Jimmy Carter days, buy your cars and homes
>now, because its just a matter of time before inflation starts
>all over again....... 

Well, it's not going to be that bad, since Clinton is a pragmatic (more or
less) and is not blinded by the liberal ideology like Carter was.

P.S. Carter was pathetic :-)

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From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:36:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Cynthia Sulaiman writes:

"Instead of saying when things go wrong 'they aren't our guys, we
didn't elect them', we now have to keep ourselves and our president on
track."

Typical anti-Republican claptrap.  Which party controlled both houses
of Congress throughout the Bush presidency?  Which party has controlled
the House of Representative continuously since 1955 and the Senate for
all but six years since 1955?  Most Democrats blame the Republicans for
EVERYTHING that goes wrong, when it's clear that both parties deserve
blame.

A question to ask?  Why is it that whenever Congress passes a bill such
as a civil rights bill, it always excludes itself from the bill?

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <ATAYLOR.92Nov10144626@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><In article <jyc.721349863@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
><   irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
><   >In article <jyc.721174111@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
><On the other hand, at least the communist
><   ideal, however misguided it has become, is based on assumptions of human
><   equality, whereas fascism is based on sheer sadism.  To put it another
><   way, communists are lunatics, whereas fascists are animals.  
>
>	No, to put it more accurately: 
>
>		Communism IS Fascism.

It is not fascism, (tends to lack the Ultra-Nationalistic edge, but substitutes
fanatical loyalty to the party/communistic ideals instead).

It *is* however based on hatred and envy, is VERY un-democratic (dictatorship
of the proletariat), condones massive pollution ('Man's victory over
Nature'), and condones mass murder.  All of this is from the party
*ideologies* not from practice (though there are many examples of this
happening in practice).

For a glimpse into the communist world, try reading Anthony Daniel's
_Utopias_Elsewhere_ (published as _On_The_Wilder_Shores_of_Marx_ in
the UK).

Excellent book, you begin to understand the wrongness and opressiveness
of the system in action (and remember, the leaders did NOT depart from
the ideologies very far as is the common belief).



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From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:03:25 +0100
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <Bx99x2.BKn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

>In article <100630@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>In article <Bx7JDL.6z@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>>
>>>No, the world is not coming to an end, and the USA will survive even if
>>>Clinton isn't a good president.
>>No not immediately. It's also not clear that the USA will survive in the
>>long run if Clinton and his Democratic congress spend us into eternal
>>hell during the next four years.

>I agree that it *is* possible, but it would be harder to do than Bush's
>and Reagan's HUGE deficits (their budget compromise:  Okay, we want this
>and you want that?  Lets both do it and run up a $4 TRILLION debt).

>Also keep in mind that the deficit went *down* during Carter's admin.
>{Granted that inflation and interest went up}

Isn't there a theory behind this? I.e. that there is a strong
correlation between
- state deficits
- inflation
- interest rates
- unemployment?
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From: sheen@cs.uwp.edu (Leslie Sheen)
Subject: PEACE CORPS
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:17:37 GMT


Peace  Corps

I am giving serious consideration to thoughts of joining the Peace Corps
and am interested if anyone has either been a volunteer or knows anything
about the program.  Suggestions regarding countries, or skills needed
would be appreciated.

Thanks!


please email responses to:

Leslie Sheen
sheen@cs.uwp.edu

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From: d92adali@IDA.LiU.SE (Adam (Beowulf) Lidvik)
Subject: Re: Censorship. (was re: killing of Japanese exchange student)
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
	<schoinas.720741698@cs.wisc.edu> <1d51ndINN887@morrow.stanford.edu>
	<schoinas.720900267@cs.wisc.edu>
	<JJAS.92Nov4224229@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu>
	<schoinas.721005134@cs.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:50:53 GMT

In article <schoinas.721005134@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:

>   Fact(i): A German has been told me that he didn't have to show an ID
>	    to get into a bar when he was back home.

>   Fact(ii): When I was in UK I have visited several bars to drink without
>	     anyone asking me what my age was.

>   Inference: Since these countries can be considered the closest neighbours
>	      of the scandinavian countries, I wouldn't expect much difference
>	      in their attitude towards alcohol.

Just for the record:

In the terms of alcoholrestrictions, Sweden, Finland, and Norway differs quite much
from the rest of Europe. This is the situation in Sweden:
You have to be 20 years of age to buy anything stronger than beer with more than
2.8% weightpercentage of alcohol (Sweden). The liquer is sold in stores run by the
government. It is not extremely expensive, but still cheaper elsewhere in Europe.
The law says 18 for bars, but that is up to the owner. If an owner decides, he can
set the limit at 20 or 21. The reason for doing this is to avoid 18-19 year olds to
get in, as they are not really capable of handling alcohol. They also get older people
 in the bar, meaning more money, since an 18 year old student's wallet isn't thick.
The opening hours depend if the place serves food. If they do, the time they are
allowed to serve might be extended.
Finland and Norway has similar laws concerning alcohol.

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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Minority President?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.114005.5506@desire.wright.edu> f0408@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <92312.0440322893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>> There has been some talk that as Clinton was elected with only 43% of the
>> vote, he lacks a mandate. This of course is nonsense, he won the election and
>> he will hold the reigns of power just like his predecessors.
>
>Nonsense?  Of course, Clinton won the election and will hold power as you say,
>but it is still not a mandate in the political sense.
>
>>  A possible solution to this problem is to a)scrap the electoral college b)
>> institute a system where the candidate who gets 50% of the votes plus one
>> nationwide wins, if no candidate does that on the first ballot, have a run-off
>> two weeks later between the top two candidates.

Oh god no!  The election press was such a pain in the a** the last 2 weeks,
I would not want to run elimination rounds - I prefer it the way it is...

>The electoral vote had nothing to do with the fact that Clinton won only 43% of
>the popular vote.  Eliminating it would not change this at all.  If Clinton had
>needed 50% + 1 vote he would still be in your runoff with Bush.  This scenario
>also has serious flaws.

If Bush were to get all of Perot's votes, he would have won.


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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:57:32 GMT

jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>           ...      It's also not clear that the USA will survive in the
>>long run if Clinton and his Democratic congress spend us into eternal
>>hell during the next four years.
>   Now, now.  This is a time for reconciliation.  The election is over,
>and Republicans should not be bitter that the entire Bush/Reagan agenda
>has been repudiated by the American people for the ludricrous farce it

	"Ludricrous farce?" Hardly, but I guess you want ot go back to
the 15% inflation of the Carter presidency right?

>was, nor should they feel downcast that that agenda's leader has been
>expelled from office in disgrace.  As for those of us who opposed Bush,

	hardly disgrace, Nixon left in disgrace. Bush was voted out of
office.

	(bunch of useless tripe deleted.)

>his having been consigned forever to the cesspool of history's failed
>reactionary ideologues.  Instead, let us all join hands and look to the
>future in a spirit of fellowship. 

	bush and Carter were both victims of events that were not their
fault. Cater doom was Opec, Bush's the WORLDS economy. noone can expect
everything to be roses when there ae no forien markets to buy our goods.

James Dusek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: mjl@bos.locus.com (Mike Leibensperger)
Subject: Re: The Presidency
Organization: Locus Computing Corp., Boston Massachusetts USA.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:02:23 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.141216.25561@exu.ericsson.se>
ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat Fargo 6266) gives a brief U.S. civics
lesson and then writes: 

   Now for my issue. How can we elect a president from a small
   state, with no federal experience to be in charge of foreign
   policy and the defense of our country? The budget and economy
   are the responsibility of the congress. Congress always spends
   more than they take in, therefore our deficit. What qualifications
   does this guy (who 4 out of 10 people voted for) have to run
   this country?  

By this logic, we should keep electing FDR over and over again because
he has the most experience.  I have to admit I kind of like the idea,
but there's one _little_ problem with it, namely, he's dead.  Of
course, one could argue that Mr. Quayle is dead from the neck up and
still handled his duties as president of the Senate.  Still, I don't
think prowling around Hyde Park late at night with a shovel is really
the answer.

And about that "4 out of 10" business, see my post entitled
"Was it a landslide?".

The country is finally on its way up again, IMO.

	yr obdnt svnt,
	mjl
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From: kumar@carleman.mit.edu (Sanjay Kumar)
Subject: You need ID in France [Re: Censorship/killing of Jap student]
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 05:12:27 GMT

>sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) writes:
>>(Jason Stephenson) writes:
>>	Also, a French police officer may approach you at any time for any
>>reason, or for no reason at all, and demand to see you ID.  
>this is wrong.  It is actually illegal in France.  A policeman cannot
>perform such "controle d'identite" at ramdom,  unless you have been
>involved in a crime. 

Jason is right. I spent one year as a visiting researcher in France and I 
have  seen scores of people at Paris Metro/RER stations of CHATLET LES HALLES 
and GARE DU NORD being asked to produce their CARTE DE SEJOUR. I was advised
to carry mine all the time by my boss to avoid arrest as a suspect illegal
alien. NOTE THAT ONE ONLY NEEDS TO LOOK FOREIGN TO INVITE THIS SEARCH (which
means NON_WHITE). My wife spent about 1.5 months under virtual house arrest
(she did not dare leave our apartment)
because PREFECTURE de POLICE screwed up her Carte de sejour papers which
made her without any legal papers for that period. 

Sanjay
-- 

Thanks

Sanjay
From: chens@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: test
Summary: test
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:33:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: memstvx1.1992Nov10.173319.4027
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

Ignore. This is a test.
From: rnt@druwa.ATT.COM (Bob Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Day
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:26:46 GMT

in article <1992Nov11.183459.21548@ugle.unit.no>, mortenny@idt.unit.no (Morten Andersen Nyg}rd) says:
% 
% A question for you Americans out there:
% 
% Is Thanksgiving Day tomorrow, next Thursday, or the last Thursday in November?
% I just thought it was the second Thursday in November, but I'm not sure.
% Please answer.

Morten,

Thanksgiving Day is always the 4th Thursday in November.

Bob
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From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Summary: Just a few minor points to Brian Y.
Reply-To: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:09:16 GMT


1)  People live in societies, not as hermits who all happen to
live in the same area of land.  You can't live in a society and
expect that everything will go your way and that everything
that happens is for the individual's self-interest alone.  To
keep a society going, each member has to sacrifice something. 
Believe me, life is much easier when you can depend upon other
people than when you only care about and rely on yourself.

2)  In the last 12 years, and in other administrations too, 
the government HAS done un-Constitutional, immoral things.  The Supreme
Court just ruled that the gag order on gov't family-planning
clinics is un-Constitutional.  Need I also mention Watergate
and the Iran-Contra scandal?  If you have evidence that C/G
are going to try something illegal and immoral, then say what
it is and name the source.  If not, then don't sling accusations.

3)  I find it amusing that the Rep. party keeps talking about
how they want to reduce gov't, and that C/G want to expand it
into our personal lives.  This, from the party of the president
who wants a Constitutional amendment banning abortion.  They
want to put gov't in my uterus, and this is supposed to represent
their commitment to reducing gov't?  I think not.

The Giver Goddess
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From: s91001ra@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Rie Aizawa)
Subject: St.Paul
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:14:45 GMT


Hello!

I would like to contact ANYONE living in St.Paul, Minnesota as I am looking

for a family I stayed with when I went there last February.  They have moved 

after I left (also in St.Paul) and I don't have their new address.  What I 

will ask you is to find their address in the phone book.  

Please help me.

-----
Rie Aizawa * Keio University * s91001ra@sfc.keio.ac.jp
  
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:30:58 EST
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
 <1992Nov10.203632.12981@nntp.uoregon.edu>
 <BxKo9y.I60@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> <1ds7nvINNj3b@morrow.stanford.edu>
 <PTC=0t-@engin.umich.edu>

In article <PTC=0t-@engin.umich.edu>, jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) says:
>
>In article <1ds7nvINNj3b@morrow.stanford.edu>, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU
>(Holly
>Silva) writes:
>|> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>|> >eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>|> >
>|> >>[What] did you do to change the realities that gave rise to Rodney
>|>  King's beating?
>|> >
>|> >Nothing, so far as I can tell.  What do you propose, throwing my money
>|> >at such irrefutable successes as the Welfare program?
>|> >
>|>
>|>      Throwing your money at Head Start programs might however, be
>|> an excellent idea.
>
>Even though studies have shown that Head Start does not accomplish
>its goals?  Head Start is an example of a well-intentioned program
>which continues to draw money even though it hasn't been shown to
>work.

Jim: Can you provide a few sources for this statement?  I've seen several
very good studies in the economics literature which suggests quite the
opposite.  Head Start is one of the few programs that a significant number
of Republicans support, largely because of a consensus from the evidence
suggesting positive effects for at least several years participation.

Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
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