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From: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Mentzer/hardgainer training
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:19:02 GMT
Reply-To: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Organization: Inter-tel, Inc.


     I see very  little  discussion  in  this  newsgroup  of  the single-set,
Mentzer/hardgainer type of weight training.   I personally use it but I would
like to get some opinions on it from some of the more experienced  people out
there.

     Specifically, I am referring to the technique of using one ultra-intense
set per bodypart to stimulate growth.  (This set, of course, is preceded by a
warmup set or two.)

   1.   What is considered an ultra-intense set?  Does this always imply drop
        sets, negatives, forced reps, etc.?

   2.   If forced reps and/or  drop  sets are always used, then the rep range
        typically ends up in the  15-20  range.  This seems to contradict the
        philosophy that the 6-8  range is optimal for growth.  (Personally, I
        have never gotten good results in terms of size for 6-8 anyway.)

   3.   If you  do  a  single ultra-intense set, what are the implications of
        doing additional sets?  Do  they become counterproductive or are they
        just a waste of time?

   4.   How long should  someone  stick with a given exercise for a bodypart?
        I have found that switching fairly frequently (every 3-5 weeks) seems
        to  work  best  when  using  single-set  training.   The  body  is so
        incredibly efficient at adapting to a given movement.


     No brains, no gains!


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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: .			Hey B.....
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:36:09 GMT


Roughly one hour after a 30-minute aerobic workout, my
urine was slightly yellow. Does this mean I'm not hydrating
myself well enough after working out?

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

			--Dan "Striving for Clear Urine" Dooovall

<gulps down 2 glasses of water>

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu - Dan Doooovall
(The Born-Again Serbian Stooooooodent Peep)
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Life Cycle comments wanted
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:07:05 GMT

>From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
>I'd like to know people's opinions about the "Life Cycle" weight training
>machines used in gyms. Good, bad?

do you mean "Life Cycle" stationary bikes? or "Life Circuit" weight
training machines???

Life Circuit is a line of weight machines that are/were initially only
available at Holiday Health clubs. i tried them a few times and they
are WONDERFUL machines. some of the most adjustable machines i've used!!
too bad they are (were?) only available thru Holiday Health, as i HATE
their pressure on joining and getting friends to join. i go to the gym
to WORKOUT, not to listen to sales pitches. ugh. but the Life Circuit
machines are awesome, check 'em out! :-)

Janice

ps. has Holiday sold the line outside of their health clubs yet?

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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:57:25 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <Bsw6M7.MC5@cs.columbia.edu> robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques  
Robin) writes:
> 
> Why are so many olympic throwers and heavyweight lifters fat?
> 
> Is it that carrying fat is in itself an advantage for these events (i.e.
> for two athletes with the same muscle mass, one lean and one with
> additional weight coming from fat, the fat one will tend to perform  
better)
> and if so why?  

I think some of the replies to this article have been making the issue more
complicated than it really is.  It's easiest to pack on muscle and power if
you aren't following the restricted sort of diet that would be necessary to
prevent accumlating any fat in the process.  Then, once they've acquired the
muscle (and some fat), they would be faced with the VERY difficult prospect
of trying to remove the fat without losing any of the muscle and/or strength.
Read Clarence Bass's books for a detailed account of how hard, if not impossible,
it is to remove fat without removing any muscle at the same time.

Unless an athlete competes in a weight class that requires it, there isn't
a lot of reason to trim down a lot.  It isn't that the fat helps any, but
simply that taking off "x" pounds of fat would require diet/training that
would cost "y" pounds of muscle at the same time.  The penalty of the "x"
pounds of fat may be less than the penalty of sacrificing the "y" pounds
of muscle.

This isn't to say that a more disciplined competitor that who took more
time to build the same muscle, but with less fat in the process, wouldn't
come out the winner.

Dave Wilson
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug14.161721.4970
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hey, Wimps!  I am in Boston.  I can log into my account from here at MIT.
You should see the weight room here.  It's pathetic compared to Maryland.  They
have only one bodybuilder, but he's pretty strong too.  I could easily kick his
a**.  :-)  Just joking.

						-Adam (from Aleck's account)
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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:15:19 GMT


In a previous article, whare@ac.dal.ca () says:

>	Plus I've just had three hamburgers at Mcdonald's plus a large
>fries and a coke and frankly I'm a bit worried I've ruined a lot of 
>the aerobics I've been doing. Well, how much does fast foods set back 
>your training.

	Fast foods are EXTREMELY hazardous to the well-being of someone
who wants to watch his fat levels.  Practically the only decent fast
foods are grilled chicken breast sandwiches and McLean Burgers (the
latter deriving just under 30% of its calories from fat).  If you must
eat at McD's, I'd advise trying the low-fat yogurt instead of the fries.

	Which reminds me, I forgot to mention that nonfat frozen yogurt
is also an excellent fast food, although I wouldn't advise having it for
lunch.  

>I've cut virtually all fatty foods and I'm probably
>having about forty to fifty grams of fat a day. 

If you're trying to lose fat, I'd advise reducing your fat intake just a
little more.  15-20% of your calories from fat is probably about right.
Please don't take in less than 10% of your cals from fat, since fat also
provides certain essential substances like phenols.

>So are they are ANY good foods out there that actually taste fairly
>good too? And not just fruits. 

	Sure.  Low-fat and nonfat yogurt and cottage cheese.  Light poultry
meat without the skin.  Most fish.  Shrimp.  Clams.  Legumes.  Fat-free
muffins and cookies.  Lots of veggies.

>Thought of the day: Have you noticed Joe Weider has a principle
>		    for EVERYTHING? God, of course ther's no other way
>		    to make it to the top of bodybuilding because
>		    he promotes nearly all theories possible in 
>		    building muscle. Whenever I think of a Stephen Hare
>		    training principle it falls under his bloody
>		    Weider Instinctive training principle!-- 

	I don't trust much of what he says, no matter how many
successful bodybuilders endorse his products.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Rollerblades
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:39:43 GMT

   
I have it in mind that I'd like to try roller blading primarily as an
additional kind of work out and also for recreation. But I don't
know anything about it. How much should I expect to pay for a
decent pair of skates? Is there a preferred brand? What kind of
store should I shop in (e.g. a fitness outlet, general merchandise?
Is there a difference in selection, price?) What kind of (if any)
protective gear is recommended (e.g. knee and elbow pads? helmut?
anything else?) Where's the best place to do it? Do I just find a
lightly travelled stretch of road?
  
Is there anything else I should know or look into before investing
in a pair of blades?
   
Any advice at all would be appreciated. None of the women I work out
with seem to know anything about it.
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Body Fat % measured...
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:45:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
>Subject: Re: Body Fat % measured...
>
>
>cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline) writes...
>>
>>I don't mean to pick on Richard, but I question the notion that
>>densitometry is necessarily more accurate than other method of body
>>composition determination.
>[etc.]
>
>Wow, there's a lot to this.  I guess the only sure way is to dissect
>the individual, render their parts, and do a spectrographic analysis of
>the resulting goo.
>
>Sounds expensive, though.  :-)
>
 
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 
Thanks, Todd!!!!!  I needed that!!
 
TAMARA
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From: goodguy@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shen Kai Lew)
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:29:42 GMT

In article <Bsw6M7.MC5@cs.columbia.edu> robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques  
Robin) writes:
> 
> Why are so many olympic throwers and heavyweight lifters fat?
> 
> Is it that carrying fat is in itself an advantage for these events (i.e.
> for two athletes with the same muscle mass, one lean and one with
> additional weight coming from fat, the fat one will tend to perform  
better)
> and if so why?  
> 
> Or is it that for these events, carrying fat, though not an advantage,  
is
> not an handicap either, and, as a consequence, throwers and lifters  
simply
> don't try to avoid putting on fat as a side effect of putting on muscle  
mass?
> 
> Any clue on this one?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Jacques.


Wrong. These people need a lot of stability for what they are doing. Look  
at the linebackers for the 'Skins.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:37:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Aug18.170726.15237@athena.mit.edu> poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>
>in the netters' successful gathering in boston this past weekend,
>only mr. cecchini challenged mr. silver in armswrestling.  
>mr. cecchini proved a formidable, if not
>successful, opponent.  i tip my hat to cecchini for such an
>outstanding effort against a seasoned veteran of the sport.  i think our
>colleagues who were present share my sentiment.....
>
>poo

Yeah, Ron wasn't too bad.  I have to admit though, most people don't know about
the sport of armwrestling.  They think that if you use bodyweight or shoulder
strength that you are cheating.  I let Ron use both, and it was quite hard to
put him down fast, especially considering the position we were in.  We didn't
have a table to use, but it was fun.  When it came to left hand though, I
trashed him fast so everyone wouldn't think that Ron actually could have
beaten me.  :-)  Sorry, Ron, but don't get me wrong.  Ron's pretty strong.

Today, I let a friend of mine here do the same thing.  I gave him some time.
He then thought he could have beaten me until he had a second match with me.
I crushed him really fast.  I usually won't do that crap with anyone because
most people get a tendonitis from it.

I let Rob Loszewski do the same thing.  Slow and first and then WHAM!  Ask
him.  He thought he was giving me a challenge at first.  Sorry Rob.  :-)

							-Adam

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From: mmb@po.CWRU.Edu (Melina M. Barreca)
Subject: Re: Leg Raises...
Reply-To: mmb@po.CWRU.Edu (Melina M. Barreca)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:55:33 GMT


In a previous article, potter@silver.usna.navy.mil (Mr. Jeff Potter CADIG  STAFF)) says:

>
>  In response to the posters about leg raises:
>
>     I do hanging leg raises all the time and have had no back
> problems whatsoever. I also do stiff leg deadlifts with 225lbs
> and have never had lower back problems. Maybe the answer is to
> get a good balance between ab work and lower back work so that
> both are strong. It also helps to warmup...
>
>   BTW I have noticed great improvement in my lower ab region
> while doing hanging leg raises. They work for me!
>
>  I use the Legendary Abs routine developed by Health For Life..
> Your abs get a great burn from this routine, I can personally
> testify that it works and I would recommend it for anyone.
>
> Jeff
>
> potter@usna.navy.mil
>
>

Leg raises CAN help when done properly.  It IS important to warm up
as well as have a strong lower back to help out.  The main reason
hanging leg raises work so well is that the pressure is off of your
lower back.  When you are sitting/laying down, there is pressure
on your lower back and unless you HAVE a strong lower back, you 
will start to develop problems.  If you check out some books by
professional bodybuilders/weightlifters, they usually give you hints
to take the pressure off of your lower back since that is the area
that most people start to have trouble with.

-- 
I've tried....I've really tried...but you leave me no choice...

	THE BITCH IS BACK AND TAKING NO PRISONERS
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need lower body advice
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:06:00 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <BtC32u.4vs@cs.dal.ca>, gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes:> thinking about changing to a 3 day on 2 day off, or maybe even 3 day per

> What are the excercises I should be doing? I would like to work on calfs,
> but am fairly comfortable with those excercises. What do I do for glutes,
> thighs and hamstrings?

Do leg curls for glutes and hamstrings, calf presses for calves, leg extensions
for thighs or quads, squats for glutes, quads and hamstrings, and leg presses
which, depending upon the position of your feet will work either quads, hams, or
both.  You can also do calf presses at the same time. (Are you reading this
ADAM?) :-)
-Rob
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> 
> Thanks a lot people!
> 
> PG
> 
> 
> -- 
>   ===========================================================================
>                                Paul Gauthier
>   cyclist, rock climber, skydiver, computer scientist (...in order of danger)
>   Electronic: gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca  Voice: (902)462-8217  Fax: (902)420-1074
From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sex testing (was Re: Drug use at the olympics)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: unidata.matt.713810893
Distribution: usa
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO

wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>I vaguely recall the era when sex testing began.  Wasn't the impetus
>East German women who didn't look entirely like women?  It seems to me
>that the public wasn't much aware of steroids back then, and I was
>wondering if it was actually steroids, not chromosomes, that were the
>problem?  Can someone with more knowledge of Olympic history tell me
>if there have been any cases where (allegedly) female competitors have
>been nailed by the chromosome testing?

An article in the NY Times this spring told of how sex testing wasn't
working. Apparently the International Track & Field Federation (or 
some such governing body) has decided to stop chromosome sex testing.
They have stated that the only fair way to check sex is to have the
competitors undress so that it can be verified visually that they are
what they claim to be (the parts-is-parts method :-). The reason for
this change is that "at every major international track and field meet"
at least one woman is found to be chromosomally male! This is apparently
very common in the general population (I'm not sure if it goes the
other way as well); chemically the woman is unable to use the male
hormones that her body produces, so they have no effect on her body.
These women would never know that they are chromosomally male without
this test and it is emotionally devestating to some of them. The discovery
of her supposed maleness caused one woman (used as an example) to be banned 
from competition, lose her college scholarship, and her boyfriend stopped
calling her. She took legal action, and I believe she was reinstated, but
not without suffering significantly from the discovery.

The article also noted that the chromosome test is so sensitive that most
of the labs that perform it employ only women to do the analysis, because
the presence of a man in the lab can give false-positive results. If you
want to check the article for yourself, I believe it appeared sometime
in March (I may be off a month in either direction.)
 


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From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Pyramids vs increasing weight, decreasing, etc.
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:59:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The strength balance you want depends on what sport/track event you
are training for. If you are a sprinter, aim for 1:1 strength, long
(not middle distance) distance runners usually go for 3:1 quads to
hamstrings. (Yes it does kill flexibility something awful.).
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From: C11849@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Randy Gerber)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Motorola
Date: 20 Aug 1992 16:27:41 CDT

  I recently entered the Yukon Jack armwrestling tournament in
  Chicago, Illinois.  Even though I was one of the strongest
  persons entered, I got my but kicked because I had no technique.
  I would greatly appreciate any advice or information you could
  give me on armwrestling.
          Thanks,
                 Randy G
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:31:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

I have posted armwrestling exercises a few times.  When I get time, I'll do
it again.  I will post also how to get the armwrestling mag (not that anyone
really cares).  :-)

							-Adam

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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Indoor aerobic exercise machine under $200
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:37:13 GMT

>In article <1992Aug9.225454.5447@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug8.022238.8208@oracle.us.oracle.com> hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>>
>>really, truly, body circuits, possibly coupled with running in place, are a
>>great form of aerobic exercize that you can do anywhere, anytime, whether it
>>be in your home or in a hotel room in kalamazoo, MI (are there hotels in
>>kalamazoo?  don't answer that, i know there are).
>
>Body circuits -- circuit-oriented resistance training -- is great, but it
>isn't aerobic exercise. That's the word from Covert Bailey in _The New Fit or
>Fat_.

Well, not exactly.  What Bailey says is:

	"...Does circuit training work? Yes, it gives some aerobic 
	conditioning and some muscle building; but it is not 100 
	percent effective at either." (p. 104)

Anyways, I think Phil's points were well taken.  If you want "aerobic"
fitness, then you should concentrate on aerobics.  On the other hand,	
I have read that weight training combined with aerobics results in more 
fat loss than aerobics alone, so circuit training may be a useful 
activity (combined with aerobics) if weight loss is the main agenda.
 
Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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