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From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MORE HORROR FROM COPPOLA?
              "FAC_JCLARK%JMUVAX.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Jan 25, 93 3:31 pm

>
> Lyle,
> I haven't heard this rumor about Coppola doing a sequel to Dracula, but if
> that's the case... apparently he's no longer as hesitant about going for the
> main commercial chance as he was in the early days of The Godfather.  My
> understanding about his Frankenstein is that the project his under his
> producing wing but will be directed by Kenneth Branagh.  Or are there new
> developments on that one--anyone?  Jeff Clark
>
That's the same thing that I heard, except to add that he plans on doing The
Invisible Man too the year after that (which I doubt could be done on the same
grand scale that Dracula was and Frankenstein easily could be- but then I'm no
Coppola).
         -Brodie
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:58:19 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 10 ways

>> 4. Commit Scorsese, Kubrick, Altman, Pollack, Lynch, Cronenberg,
Demme, Bertolucci to directing at least one movie a year.

I'd settle for one every 5 years from Kubrick!

I'd add Percy Adlon, Woody Allen, Pedro Almodovar, Mel Brooks, Tim Burton, James
 Cameron, Francis Ford Coppola, Joel Coen, Clint Eastwood, Stephen Frears, Terry
 Gilliam, Peter Greenaway,  Philip Kaufman, Derek Jarman, Barry Levinson, Adrian
 Lyne, Louis Malle, Penny Marhsall, Rob Reiner, Ken Russell, John Sayles, Ridley
 Scott, Gus Van Sant, Penelope Spheeris, Paul Verhoeven, John Waters, Wim
 Wenders, the Zucker Brothers, and an animated feature from Disney.

And
  11.  Commit more resources of a film to the writing.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:48:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      What's worse than Rambo?

A Rambo movie for those who look down on Rambo Movies -
                     THA LAST OF THE MOHICANS.
                                              Rolando
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:58:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Boneheads

It doesn't take intelligence to attain worldwide success especially
in Arnold's case. It only takes luck, being in the right place at the
right time. It also matters that he looks and sounds unique. I would
also credit his marketing people. As for college education being a
factor, it sure didn't help boneheads like Reagan and Bush and Quayle,
and for that matter, their staunch supporters, like Arnold.
                                                            Rolando
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:42:42 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdisc tip of the month.

JIm,

What's wrong with Image.  Couldn't they have made EEGAH! available in their
new penny-pincher's line for $19.95?  About the cost of the original prod-
uction??  Jeff Clark
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Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:53:17 GMT
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In a previous article, dealyder@STUDENT.MSU.EDU (Derek S Dealy) says:

i actually like Godfather II more than I.  you might also want to
check out Miller's Crossing.  it's a great flick.   

there was a Sean Penn / Gary Oldman crime movie on cable the other
night but i switched to another channel when i found out that the
female lead wasn't Robin Wright.  i forget what the flick is called.

Men of Respect starring John Turturro is ok.  the story is Macbeth.

j.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:55:02 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STAR WARS missing footage?

>I remember the day STAR WARS opened in NYC - I convinced my roommates
>that we had to see this film NOW so we made the trek downtown where
>they were giving out buttons that read "May the force be with you" to
>everybody in the audience - I also remember argueing abour where to sit -
>I finaly sat by myself in the third row of this large screen theater (it
>could have been the Ziegfeld) - The film was quite stunning right from the
>openning credits - I do also remember a scene where Luke tries at least
>twice to get the hook to catch - I guess we need a director's cut - Could
>it be it was shortened slightly for TV or for more viewing per day at
>a theater?
>

I was overwhelmed with Star Wars;  I was about 11 or 12 when
I first saw it.  I proceeded to see it 14 times at the
theater (in the days before VCRs), sometimes twice in
one sitting.  In fact I chose Michael (as in, sword carrying
archangel) as my confirmation name, because it was the
closest thing to Luke Skywalker I could envision at the
time (more Catholic anecdotes for you Ellen).  Anyway,
when I've watched the Star Wars movies recently,Skywalker
always kinda strikes me as a whiney kid.  (its a shame you
gotta get older.)

Seeya

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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From:         Mark POINDEXTER <37PSVFB@CMUVM>
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Subject:      QUESTION FOR STUDENTS
To:           cinama-l@UAVM
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I have just set up a local list for discussion of mass media related topics at
Central Michigan University. Althouygh we have several hundred students taking
mass media courses very few have had any prior experience with the use of lists
and only a handful have ever used the campus mainframe. Probably only slightly
more have their own computers.  I notice there are many students using this
list.  Perhaps you could help me in developing a strategy to encourage CMU mass
media students to use our local list (which will probably result in many of
them eventually subscribing to lists like CINEMA-L, TV-L,SCREEN-L, and others.)



I would welcome any advice, but I would especially like to know:

(1) How students now using this list have come to be here. Did you have some
sort of prior computer-related experiences that cuased you to look for a media
list along with others or was your initial interest in mass media and did that
lead you to find out how to access BITNET lists?

(2) How do you access this list? Do you do it from yor home with a modem?
From a campus computer cluster?

(3) What do you think would be effective ways of getting students without
personal computers to use our list? (Perhaps this means convincing them to
buy one.)

There are probably other things I should be asking, but not knowing how most
students came to be here to begin with I am shooting in the dark.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:51:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Laserdisc tip of the month.

EEGAH!, with Arch Hall Jr., directed by Arch Hall Sr. (1962), about
$27 from Image.  Sensitive companion piece to the same creators'
WILD GUITAR, with comparable acting and production values.  See
southern California through pre-LSD eyes, and enjoy special effects
on a par with those of ROBOT MONSTER.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:16:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FIRE WALK WITH ME

Michael,
   I haven't seen Fire Walk With Me but intend to, now that you're
raving mad about it. Lynch is a great director who is slowly sinking
into self-parody. Wild At Heart was all quirk and no substance. It made
me laugh a lot but to this day, I'm not sure if it was funny or just
laughable. It was like watching a bad Elvis Impersonation contest. Am I
supposed to laugh or feel sorry?
    As for The Last of the Mohicans being a Rambo movie for those who
look down on Rambo movies, well, I was quite amused by the critical
plaudits and box office success this movie has gotten. Take away the
Britishness(which for some spells class), the lush photography, and the
historical dressing, what you have is Daniel Day-Lewis tossing his long
hair, baring his chest, spitting out corny dialogue, running around in
graceful slow motion, a rifle in each hand, blasting away at the enemy -
an 18th century Rambo. It also doesn't help that director Michael Mann
directs it like a spinoff of Miami Vice - call it Mohawk Vice!
                                                               Rolando
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:28:31 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: A Few Good Men revisited

>
> >   Remember how I took A Few Good Men to task a while back for
> >giving us the totally unrealistic character Keifer Sutherland Played?
> >Remember how I said no Marines were really like that?
>
> >I take it back.
>
> So, was it because you talked to someone with a convincing counter
> argument or because you met a Marine like that? :-)
>
> -Geoff, who does know Marines like that

        The latter, Geoff.  It was an interesting day yesterday.
                                                                Alex
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:34:44 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: recasting

And on the subject of remakes, let's go for the really obscure--a case where
the original has hardly survived in a state visible enough to even question
the quality of the sequel: Blake Edwards' "Victor/Victoria", which remade an
obscure German film from the 30s, I think ("Viktor und Victoria"... or whatever
the spelling is!).  JC
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From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Tom Tryon

>
>Gayle:
>
>Well, I don't feel so bad about my meager existence now that I know Tom Tryon
>was just an actor and a novelist, and John Gavin was just an actor and a
>diplomat.  Didn't John Gavin play a government official in an Hitchcock film
>about Russian spies defecting to the U.S.?  Can't think of the title, but if
>that is the case, he would qualify for that list.  Thanks for the
>clarification.
>
>Ellen

John Gavin played Julius Caesar in Spartacus. I guess that would qualify
as a government job.  Also, What is it that makes Tryon and Gavin so
seemingly interchangable? I once was watching Spartacus and said to my
wife, "There's one of your favorite authors before he started writing."
only to realize later that I had mixed the two men up. I feel a little
better about it now that I see others making the same mistake.


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Subject:      John and Thelma and Tom and Louise

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     25-Jan-1993 02:25pm EST
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

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Subject: RE: Tom Tryon

Jeff et al.

Sorry but they really do all look alike.  Perhaps the remake of Thelma and
Louise could go like this.  T and L survive the crash but are horribly
disfigured and suffer from amnesia.  Unrecognizable as women, the paramedics
find the driver's licenses of two patrons of the minute mart which Thelma had
taken when she robbed the place.  Mistaking t and l for the unfortunate
gentlemen pictured on the driver's licenses, the hapless but loveable plastic
surgeon works feverishly to restore their countenances (and other body parts)
to their original forms. The police are confused.  Thelma and Louise are
confused.  Having completed a masterful job, the surgeon, played by part-time
cabana boy Matt Dillon, releases the two, played now by Tom Tyron and John
Gavin.  Thelma and Louise go on to become a sucessful diplomat and author
respectively, While their professional lives soar, unfortunately they are
woefully incompetent at personal relationships with women and have great
difficulty sharing their feelings.  Something is missing.  They read Iron
John. They join an all male encounter group where the beat on a drum and smoke
and become one with their feelings.  They remember their former identities,
feel a momentary loss and laugh heartily at their good fortune.  As the credits
role, they are eagerly dialing a 900 number.

Move over Oliver Stone.

Ellen
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:11:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      10 ways

Where's everybody these days? Busy, perhaps? Well, let me stir
things up a little bit. Here, in my humble desperate plea, are ten
ways to improve Hollywood -
                            1. Get rid of sequels, buddy/cop, yuppie
redemption, sexpot-from-hell movies.
                            2. Make sure women get more acting jobs
than dogs.
                            3. Tell boneheads like Arnold Schwarzen-
neger to stop doing interviews on topics other than the film he's
promoting.
                            4. Commit Scorsese, Kubrick, Altman,
Pollack, Lynch, Cronenberg, Demme, Bertolucci to directing at least
one movie a year.
                            5. Tell Oliver Stone and Spike Lee to give
it a rest.
                            6. Enroll all the studio executives in an
Introduction to Film class.
                            7. If there has to be violence in movies,
make it real and disturbing rather than fun.
                            8. Tell Steven Spielberg to grow up.
                            9. Make more black AND white films and
fewer black OR white films.
                            10. Make more black and white films.
                                                                Rolando
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:55:57 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MST3K

>Well, I guess I have to call that number they list and join up!
>We've been following MST3K for a few weeks and are addicted.  But
>we didn't hear about it from a fan -- read about it in TV Guide,
>believe it or not.
>
>Jim
>Thompson@ucrvms
>

I was in the Doctor's office the other day
with some stomach flu, and I was flipping
through a Time magazine of a couple a
weeks ago (early Jan), and they had
a brief article about MST3K in there

Just for you info

Joe
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:10:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DGA/Oscar nominations

Eric,
   Glad to have you in the list. There's really no sense in fussing
over the Oscar nominations. I think I already know who the winners
are.
           Best Picture - Unforgiven
           Best Director - Clint Eastwood
           Best Actor - Al Pacino
           Best Actress - Emma Thompson
           Best Supporting Actor - Gene Hackman
           Best Supporting Actress - Judy Davis
                                                           Rolando
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: DGA/Oscar Nominations
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:23:57 EST

It's a lot of fun to play around with predictions for the Oscar, even though
it should be well known that the most pretentious, bloated films usually get
nominated and WIN as Best Picture.  (examples: GANDHI, DANCES WITH WOLVES).
However, my guesses are:
 
UNFORGIVEN -- no question about this.  It still seems to be the favorite.
A FEW GOOD MEN -- it had momentum a few weeks ago, but seems to be fading.
HOWARDS END -- don't count this out.  Hollywood loves British class.
THE PLAYER -- they will definitely nominate it to show how tolerant they are.
SCENT OF A WOMAN -- has the momentum right now.  Up until the Golden Globes, I
would   have guessed CRYING GAME or MALCOLM X.  But I think winning the
Globe makes this an inevitable Best Picture nominee.  It may even win.
Hollywood loves a film with  -- SPOILER ALERT --
 -----------------------------------------------------------
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
-- a feel-good ending.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From:         "E. Susan Stonehill" <ZKTKB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Unforgiven
              28 Jan 1993 15:57:08 GMT from <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>

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To:           "E. Susan Stonehill" <ZKTKB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
              28 Jan 1993 10:52:43 -0500 from <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>

  >Comeon, we are used to seeing Clint kill five people while
  >being shaved, shooting a guys ear off at God only knows
  >what distance, and we liked that. We liked an aggressive
  >competant character, so we could watch the character take
  >out his aggression and so through him ours.

  >Then we have to sit through hours of a Clint who cant
  >shoot a bottle that isnt at all mean and not even loaded!
  >Give me action and adventure on the Screen anyday. Keep
  >the Documetries for TV and the Morals for Church.

To quote that old punchline:

      "What do you mean 'WE', White Man?"
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Thanks for the info.  What is your source of information?
By the way, there is a sequel to BRIDE OF THE MONSTER called
NIGHT OF THE GHOULS, which if you can believe it is even
worse; it's on video for cheap.
Jim Thompson
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From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      kjf's elusive target

>A sly guy, that Lynch. He knows how to keep us academ-anemics happy --
>give us crap that we can find some obscure rationale for praising.

>This is, after all, the very essence of PoMo/Camp (not to mention
>tenure and promotion). Lynch et. al. are crucial components in a
>critical academic function -- blowing smoke in everyone's face and
>convincing them it's The Wind of Change.

So says Professor Fisher.  Is this an admission of how he got tenure,
or is he some embittered wanna-be who tells us what he was too noble
to stoop to in order to get tenure?

It's hard not to notice that this Fisher likes to harp on the emptiness of
what he designates PostModern (or is it that he designates as PostModern
what he decides is empty gesture?), but how about a few examples?
With no other example than one person's reception of one movie by one
director, Professor Fisher's disdain seems to be directed at a
boogie-man.  Who has been given undeserved tenure and promotion on the
basis of their publications on PostModernism?  Or on the other side
of the coin:  is this PostModern charlatanism on the part of the
producers like Lynch (as you say), or on the part of some academics
(as you also say), or necessarily both?  Are there any POSITIVE
examples you could label PostModern?  I offered examples from
architecture, short stories, novels, theories, and films, but Prof.
Fisher did not deign to respond, preferring the etherial abstractions
of ... what?   A tenured position?  With folks like Fisher on
tenure committees, how could he be right in what he says about how
people get tenured?  Who grants these charlatans tenure?

The whole thing seems too ironic.  Here's a guy who makes his living
teaching film in a university, doing exactly what twenty years ago
plenty of tenured folks whined was a cheap easy way to get in the
university without having to do serious scholarly work, a sign of the
fallen times and failure of the university etc.  So what does he do?
Take a reactionary stance against the changing times, just as did the
people who denied the validity of film studies.  Maybe I'm just too
dense to get Fisher's postmodern irony, eh?

Nice to have you back, Fisher.

      Rick Francis
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From:         Maria Murtagh <eeimmuh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      RE: unforgiven

I agree with Dominic........
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