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From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: More about India
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:04:36 GMT

In article <BvpzEq.58M@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:

>When a woman has worked both in India and US talks about how difficult it
>is in India, you better listen. Come on Mr. Premkumar, you are a man and
>you say things are fine and wonderful in India, and a woman says its not
>so, dont you think she is right. 

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear: I never said things are fine and wonderful
in India. 

>Especially when she gives coherent arguments.
>Nobody is saying India is lousy in every way, only as far as womans rights
>are concerned it is not at all good. 

On the same vein nobody is saying India is better in every way.

>I have known my own relatives having
>such problems. In fact, when I and one of my relatives went down a road
>along a beach in Madras, all those blood-suckers hoot (and they are college
>students!!!!!). Dont give that naive argument that women have to go about
>only in saris.

Did you or the affected party complain to the police ? [The I.G's office is
in beach road.]

>BULL SHIT. If you see the rape crisis declaration here, it
>clearly says rape is NEVER  the fault of the woman. In India, if a woman
>is raped it means she was wearing a provocative dress and hence it is quite
>natural to be raped!! Great logic, isn't it.

I have not read the laws of both the countries and I don't know the difference.
But I would like to remind you the trial of Kennedy Smith and ofcourse the 
Clarence Thomas hearings.

>Dinkar

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: A.Vaidya at UPENN/UTAH Business School
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:03:58 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hi:

I am looking for ASHVINI VAIDYA from Bajaj, Bombay. She is a in the Ph.D
program in Business Administration at UPENN or UTAH. Anyone who knows her
e-mail address pl. send it to me.

thank you for your attention.

SANTOSH
SKUMAR@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ajayg@ecs.comm.mot.com (Ajay Gallewale)
Subject: Re: MORE ABOUT INDIA / INDIAN WOMEN ARE TREATED FAR BETTER THAN HERE.
Organization: trunking_terms
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:58:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.022728.152@ncsu.edu> hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE) writes:
>In article <1992Oct08.013505.110934@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.202813.15287@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, tolia@furnace.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia) writes:
>>|> In article <1ath1lINNif7@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>>|> >
>>|> >
>>|> >
>>        (stuff deleted)
>>. Again in BOMBAY, a girl is BURNT alive by some sickos when she is
>>sitting down to take her exams for her X standard, the police are yet to 
>>charge the men involved with murder. If these can happen in broad daylight then
>
>again ..details/sources please..this could have other motives, and may not
>be crimes committed against unknowns, just because they are women..
>doesnt justify it, but there are lunatic humans as well..
>
>>
>-harsh
>-- 

    I was in Bombay that time, and I remember the uproar it created.
 Her name was Rinku Patil and the incidant occurred in Ulhasnagar,
a suburb of Bombay.  They knew each other before and it was a point of
dispute , they both loved each other or not. Some evidence suggest that
she might have turned him down.she was burnt alive in the classroom while
she was appearing for her ssc exam.  The police posted there just ran 
away. The goondas escaped without any problem.
-Ajay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajat@sunny1.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor)
Subject: WITHER PATRIOTISM ? 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:34:36 GMT



Nothing can be more tormenting for me than the statement:

"... given the social conditions in India, I'll never go back... "


A pathetic statement coming from a person, born and nurtured in
India... 

It is fine ( and healthy ) to question our social
values, criticize and deplore evils... but to slander and 
malign the country as inhospitable, is a terrible thing to do...

No self-respecting native can ever stab a country like that !

If one were to read between the lines of the utterings of such
believers, the message is "India and those who choose to live
there are damned... doomed to live in a cesspool of misery...! "

Indeed, some people are brought up in an family environment that
preaches insensitivity to the populance, and that "this hell"
is an incidental foster country, expendable at first opportunity.

I love India, because I have lived there as an Indian..., and
I've an ancestary to be proud of... I like Indians a lot more
than anybody else, because we think alike, we feel alike,and we live
alike. 

US is a foster country, made great by people who adopted it. The first
generation immigrants never abondoned their country, they revered it.

On a personal side, I'll never take a woman who disvows her native
land as my wife. Can't be trusted in life...

Rajat Kapoor 
From: rajiv.khanna@p2222.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (rajiv khanna)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visa help
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 08:45:00 -0500

To: nadellav@topaz.ucq.edu.au
 > A friend of mine completed M.B.A and worked for some
 > time in U.S and went back
 > to India for a holiday.  She got stuck there and could
 > not go back to U.S.  Now
 > she wants to know the procedures involved to return.
What was her immigration status when she last left  for India.  Was she on F-1,
J-1 or H-1 visa?

Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 19:24:00 -0400 
From: Kannan Srinivasan <ks2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More About India

> See earlier poting by Uma S.
I am no apologist for the oppression of women in India but as I observe
the significant change in attitude and progress of women in India, I am
optimistic. I find that an increasingly broader spectrum of (Urbanized)
Indians firmly believe that women are as capable as men and treat them
as equals. A few figures (pun intended!).

*Women account for (I'm told) more than 50% in several enginnering and
medical colleges in Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

*Women dominate the clerical (and in a few years the officer category, I
am sure) jobs in commercial banks. This is a highly sought after job in
India.

*An interesting fact: Indian airlines was the first airline in the world
to have an all-female crew including pilot, copilot and flight engineer
(three years ago). 

*Women are more prominent in the political echelons than in the US.

Here are a few stats about US.

*A third of all women who visit emergency centers are victims of
domestic violence (thanks to husband or boy friend). NBC news.

*Any woman who lives in LA for 20 years has a 1 in 3 chance of getting raped.

*28% of all women in LA report having been beaten by husband or boy
friend in the past six months! (Eye on LA news program on ABC)

*By any measure, US is a violent society (compared to any other western
nation as well, by an order of magnitude) and women face more than their
fair(!) share of the burden. Still not convinced? All the Indian women I
have met feel a lot safer in India than here. (Though woman from Delhi
complain of the harassment in the buses.) May be you should check that
out. 

*Perhaps randomly ask (men as well as women) the names of prominent
women. Don't be suprised if you hear names such as Madonna and Cindy
Crawford. Flip the channels on your TV and see the number of commercials
on cosmetics and dieting. A good reflection of what the *great society*
expects of the fairer sex who enjoy freedom to look the way they want
to. 

*Remember, you live in a country where abortion is nearly illegal and
the president's wife (a nice lady, I might add) thinks that a woman's
place is in the home.
  
BOTTOM LINE: When I was in India, I used to think that women have lot
more freedom in US than in India. After being here for ten years now, I
am a lot less certain. I might add that several women who have
immmigrated to US share that view.    
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF KERALA
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.131235.15428@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>KERALA in Path of KASHMIR? (KASHMIR batalo kerala)
>Source     : Jagrithi  Weekly (Telugu)
>Issue Date : Sept 21-27 1992
>Translator : Indu
>
>
>
>KERALA too is now facing the problems of communalism. Islamic Swayamsevak
If what is reported in Jagrithi is true, I donot understand why 
politicians/justice system do not take action in Kerala.  Who and 
what are they afraid of? If they are just doing that for political 
reasons, then they are putting a price tag on the country and are 
selling the country.

>|  No DEATH THREATS please.                                            |
You are just saying what is happening/or what has been reported as
happening in India and not accusing a whole community in general.
I do not think the above request is necessary.

Sreedhar Barakam.
From: bbanerje@lark.utah.edu (Alpha Centauri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:17:27 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.184703.29503@csrd.uiuc.edu> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
>
>>Nobody likes being swamped by outsiders, and made to feel like second 
>>class citizens in their land.  And that is exactly what would have
>>hsppened in Kashmir if the gates had been opened.  
>
>Did the swamping take place in Himachal Pradesh, a place very similar
>in this respect to J&K except for the dominant religion?
>
>>Been true in Bombay,
>>Calcutta, and Shillong at least.  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                
>
>Is it something undesirable that Bombay Calcutta and Shillong have become
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>cosmopolitan Indian cities instead of being Maharashtrian, Bangali, and
>Assamese cities alone? When people can migrate from place A to place B
>
>>Sanjoy Ghosh
>
>
>---raj
>
Having been a resident of Shillong for almost 14 years of my life and having
spent almost 3 years in Calcutta, I've some views to offer on this subject.

First, Shillong has been part of Meghalaya and not Assam for almost 20 years
now.  The language spoken by the people of Shillong should have been Khasi 
and not Assamese (just some nitpicking :)).

First, talking about Shillong, the people do feel highly alienated by the 
presence of outsiders (foreigners - in their lingua franca) in the city.  There
have been and continue to be massive drives to remove anyone other than Khasis
(or Jaintias and Garos) from running businesses in Shillong. There has also
been a drive to make life unbearable for the working middle and lower classes
who are not from these tribes (rather, for "plains" people).  Shillong may
have been cosmopolitan once upon a time, but it certainly isn't at present.

Next, about Calcutta, there seems to be a deep resentment for businessmen from
other regions of India among the middle class in Calcutta - to be specific,
Marwaris. The feelings go deep, but the attitude of "secularism" maintained
by the Bhadrolok of Calcutta does not allow any leaders to rise from Calcutta
who could lead people to actively go for their opponents necks. Another 
reason could be that money, and hence power, lies in the hands of these 
businessmen.

The reason for these attitudes lie in economic problems .. and Kashmir is
no exception.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sidhwa@wam.umd.edu (Yazdi R. Sidhwa)
Subject: Re: area code in Hong Kong !
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.165455.14410@aa.cad.slb.com> ramas@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (R. Ramasubramanian) writes:
>Hi netters,
>
>I have a friend in the place : ABERDEEN in Hong Kong. I am not aware of the
>area code of this place. The telephone directory in my city (Ann Arbor, Michigan
>) just has a list of area code of Hong Kong (city) and Kowloon area. 
>
>Can anyone on the net send me the area code of this place so that I could 
>get in touch with my friend over the phone.
>
>Thank you,
>
>ram
 For your kind information the whole of Hong Kong is only as
 big as one city. Kowloon is another island and therefore has 
 a different area code. Hence, the whole of HK has one area
 code.

Rgds


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/An
Keywords: Distribution: world
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:59:34 GMT

In article <12831@hardy.rl.ac.uk>, ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Kalid Akhram (student-david;until 31/12/92)) writes:
> 
> "There shall be no compulsion in religion"

True. But in AL-TAUBA (29), it says

"Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not
 in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful that which
 Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow
 the true religion, and who have not yet made peace with you
 until they pay the tax willingly, and make their submission."

and a little further (38-42), it says to those believers who
do not fight

"If you go not forth, He will chastise you with a painful
 chastisement and will replace you with another people, ..."

In AL-HAJJ (43-49), it says

"Consider then, how terrible were the consequences of rejecting
 My message. How many a city have We destroyed which was given
 to wrong doing, so that it is fallen down on its roofs, and
 how many a well is deserted and how many a lofty castle is in
 ruins."

meaning that Allah has a history of destroying/killing people
who choose not to agree with Him. In AL-NISA (102-104) it says
clearly that

"The disbelievers are your declared enemies"

> I *definitely* would have refuted him. In my two/three years of study
> of Islam, the message that comes through is clear: tolerance, prepare
> for the hereafter.
>

How would you explain the above passages ? All the passages that
I have quoted are from : "The Koran", Muhammad Zafarulla Khan,
Praegum Publishers, 1971.

> 
> Khalid
> ka@uk.ac.rl.inf

RKP

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: best success
Keywords: lulloby sweet
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:33:14 GMT

In article <1bi6gsINNqs2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>
>>	if you are going to post offensive articles please at least use
>>	rot-13. the sensitive readership of sci cannot stand such
>>	vulgarity.
>
>
>are you trying to bring bonta, nimmi and kaakula into this?

1] Please avoid references to cardboard cutouts.
   Trespassers will be pasted.

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From: SSEN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: REQUEST: Information for Lecture on Indian Security Issues
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:29:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvm.92288.212902SSEN
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

I will be lecturing to a class of advanced undergrads on Indian Security
Concerns. While I will be of course looking for information to books and
journals, as well as INDIA TODAY, I would appreciate it if any researchers on
this subject will send me information (i.e. if you wrote a paper, would you
send it or excerpts from it?)

No flames desired.
Thank you for your cooperation.

Shinjinee Sen
From: ghosh-bhaskar@cs.yale.edu (Bhaskar Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: info about Jitu Parekh, travel agent
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:00:33 -0400
Organization: /homes/na/ghosh/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sinatra.na.cs.yale.edu


I am thinking of buying my ticket to India from one Jitu
Parekh of Mechanicsburg, PA. Please let me know if you
have had any previous experience with him.

thanks.

- bhaskar.
-- 
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Bhaskar Ghosh   	    		"Tomar pujar chholey, 
ghosh@cs.yale.edu  @yalecs.bitnet        Tomay bhulei thaki"- Robithakur
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From: bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: looking for suneet garg of BITS, pilani
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:06:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw57AI.85s
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

i'm looking for suneet garg who graduated from BITS, pilani in 1987. i
was in contact with him earlier this year but then lost his e-mail
address. if you have any information, please send me mail

bipin

-- 
bipin k. dalmia               the other night i was lying on my bed, looking
bipin@iastate.edu             up at the beautiful stars, and i said to myself, 
n2.bkd@isumvs.iastate.edu     'where the F*CK is my ROOF !!'
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: Indian rights groups doubt government's sincerity
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:48:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

Remember the halla-balloo on SCI regarding the "Rapes in Kashmir", committed
by our estimed pride - the army. Well, all they get is a transfer for the
crime. Well, I would feel really, really safe in a country, where the most
heinous of crimes is rewarded with a slap on the wrist "Be a good boy, don't
do it again", attitude.  And, these are the people I look upto to protect me.
WAKE UP!!!!!!

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                           The Reuter Library Report

                      September  18, 1992, Friday, BC cycle

Indian rights groups doubt government's sincerity

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   Indian human rights groups on Friday welcomed the government's proposal to
set up a national rights commission but doubted it could be truly independent.

   ''It remains to be seen whether this commission will shelve the acts of
omission of the federal government like so many other such bodies in the past or
turn out to be an effective instrument for aggrieved citizens,'' a gathering of
activists from across  India  said in a statement.

   They were holding a two-day conference that started on Friday to discuss the
abuse of civil liberties in the country.

   Many speakers at the meeting were suspicious about the government's motives
for setting up a national commission on human rights. The move was decided at a
meeting between Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao and state chief ministers on
Monday.

   ''This (proposed commission) is all hogwash and primarily done to appease the
United States,'' said activist Tarun Dasgupta.

   New Delhi has come under increasing pressure from Western nations and human
rights groups to rectify alleged abuses in fighting separatist insurgencies in
the border states of Punjab and Kashmir, and by police against people in
custody.

    India  is particularly sensitive to Western criticism of its actions in
Kashmir, the only Moslem-majority state in the predominantly Hindu country.

   Rao defended  India's  position on human rights on Monday, saying the
government took action whenever abuses were reported.

   But speakers at Friday's conference criticised what they called mild
punishments meted out to police and security personnel responsible for alleged
torture,  rape  and harassment of civilians.

   ''At the most, the punishment offenders in the army and paramilitary forces
receive is a transfer to a remote corner of the country and a bad mark in their
service record,'' Ajit Bhuyan from northeastern Assam state said.

   The Indian army was called out in Assam last year to quell a separatist
revolt by guerrillas of the United Liberation Front of Assam.

 TYPE:
International news, analysis, profiles

-- 
Sylvia D. D'Cruz
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I am here(arun kumar a.t.)
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:01:20 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <61107@mimsy.umd.edu>, arun@umiacs.umd.edu writes:
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.indians
> Subject: I am here(A.T.Arun Kumar)
> Summary: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: usa
> Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742
> Keywords: 
> 
>  hey guys , I am arun kumar from osmania univ, hyderabad, india.
> passed out in 1987,b.e. (ece). Posting this just to find out if any
  ^^^^^^^^^^

   Man! Osmania Univ. certainly has a "rigorous" curriculum !!! :-)
   (just kiddin' ;-))

> old friends around?
> 
> 

BTW, Arun, WELCOME to the fantasia named SCI !!!!!!!

Regards,

Rajat.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.)
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Organization: Brown University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:22:34 GMT

For crying out loud, get a life, you all!!!!




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: svangav@eng.clemson.edu (sreedhar vangavolu)
Subject: In article 12815@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, gayathri@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
Reply-To: svangav@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:49:39 GMT

>
>Ever wondered why so many "heroes" of Indian movies start courting their 
>heroines by teasing them in public, running after them stupidly and giving
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>them as much trouble as possible ? I really wonder why this is considered
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	You forgot to add something else. Our heroine LOVES that situation
	and encorages (in most cases) our hero to do that. 


>such a "macho" act....and why many such movies become box-office hits. Is
						       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	That itself shows that we (both men and women) like some part of teasing.

>this really part of "Indian culture", then ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Good question ????

>
>Gayathri.


	Sree	

	
>--
>-----------------------------------------
>email address :- gayathri@ecn.purdue.edu
>Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you !!



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@oin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Need list of names
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:11:02 GMT

In article <183694@pyramid.pyramid.com> kulvi@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Kulvinder Bains) writes:
>
>My friend is going to have a baby soon and she would like to
>get a list of baby names (Hindi & Punjabi Names and the meaning
               ~~~~~~~~~~ ????!!!
>of the name if possible not necessary).  Please email back
>to kulvi@pyramid.com or post on this newsgroup.  Thanks
>
>Kulvinder

Baby names ?? You mean they are different from names that grown ups have
?
I always had the same name.