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From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: ICE trains withdrawn in October?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:03:52 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
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Summary: bang avoided

In article <1992Nov13.100136.3776@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:

>A few days ago I was in a pub here in Toronto, where the management
>had posted in the men's washroom some pages from the *October 9* issue,
>or thereabouts, of the (London, England) Daily Telegraph.  In this
>paper was a short article about a problem on the Deutsche Bundesbahn's
>ICE trains.  It seems that one of them had developed vibrations in
>one of its drive motors so severe that the motor rotor came apart!
>The article said that all 50-odd ICE train sets were withdrawn from
>service.
>
>I don't recall hearing anything about this in rec.railroad.  Are the
>facts as I have recalled them from the article correct?  Have the trains
>been put back into service yet, and if so, at what speed?  And, perhaps
>most interesting of all... what were conditions like for DB inter-city
>passengers in the period just after the withdrawal?

It's correct that they had problems with the rotor parts of the traction
motors. I don't know if any of them actually broke but cracks showed up 
when the motors were inspected. 

All motors had to be exchanged and the defective parts replaced. Luckily
enough (for DB), this was still covered by the manufacturer's warranty,
and Siemens had to pay for it (they indicated a cost of "not many" tens
of millions DM).

The exchange and repair was done on the fly: The motors were replaced
during normal service periods, and there were enough spare trains so
that the normal schedule could continue. DB passengers shouldn't have
noticed anything (as long as they didn't read the papers ...).
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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak List of Trains by # (LOOONG) (fwd)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:30:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
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In a previous article, dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) says:

>In article <BxuBsq.167@access.digex.com> terryfry@access.digex.com (Terry Fry) writes:
> > In article <TML.92Nov16103137@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
> > >In article <Pine.3.05.9211151945.A26182-e100000@uafhp.uark.edu> plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
> > >    1) Taken from _Amtrak System Train Timetables_, valid through 4/3/93.
> > >     1 Sunset Ltd.             NOL LAX 136 Comb w/21 SAS
> > >Why does Amtrak use what I assume are *airport* designators for
> > >stations?
> > 
> > You have a valid question, but the answer makes sense (err, sorta).
> > 
>So now we have the answer.  I have still one question left: which code means
>what?  I know that LAX is Los Angelos, but what is NOL?  New Orleans?  Or
>what?  Can somebody provide a translation of the codes used?

  The Sunset does terminate at New Orleans.  NOL is probably short for the
local pronounciation, "Nollins." :)


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From: ardie@UIUC (R.D. McClary)
Subject: Re:  Why engine with long hood forward
Organization: Department of Plant Pathology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:02:35 GMT

Recently, Norfolk-Southern began to run their loco's short hood forward.  
The engineers complained too much about fumes, which are less noticable 
running S-H-F.
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From: zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN)
Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:37:19 GMT

 Speaking of long end forward. For the last few years, it seems that
most of the BN yard switchers (i.e. only one hood, like an SW1200) have
been mated to a second yard switcher, hood to hood. This gives the crew
a cab at each end of the set with absloutely no hood.
 I have see the Soo Line copy this idea, but they have not adopted it
accross the bord like the BN.



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From: tech@cs.athabascau.ca (Richard Loken)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Voyageur Buslines files competition complaint against Via Rail Canada
Keywords: ugh
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:54:23 GMT
Organization: Athabasca University

According to the CBC:

Voyageur Bus lines filed a complaint today with the Canadian Transport
Commission that Via Rail is competing unfairly by offering ddep discounts
on their fares, especially in the Windsor / Quebec City corridor.  Voyageur
claims that they are losing their shirts in the passenger business.

I might be more sympathetic if the Liberal minister of transport (Jean Luc 
Pepin) who raped Via in the 1970's had not been an officer in the corporation
who owned Voyageur.

Further, I feel that Voyageur is being injured by the present cut throat 
environment in the Airline industry just as Greyhound in the USA was before
them.  Greyhound Canada, who made $24,000,000.00 in 1991 and are not closely
linked to their once parent company in the USA, operates mostly west of
Toronto and make more money off freight then they do off passenger service.


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From: dcooper@bluff.compserv.utas.edu.au (David Cooper)
Subject: For Sale
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Summary: Australian Loco Bargains
Keywords: locomotive, sale
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:56:59 GMT


I don't think this rates as advertising :-)

Tasrail (ANR) have put up 5 English Electric ZB/ZC class locos and 1 Alco
830 class loco for tender. Incomplete. For sale and removal. Located at
Launceston (old) railway station.

Also traction motors, batteries, etc.

My back yard isn't big enough. Also I expect the 'sale' would be the easy
part - 'removal' not so easy.

PS. All 3'6" gauge. ANR = Australian National Railways for our overseas
friends.
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From: mstoffan@uumark.UUCP (Mark Stoffan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Stupid (DEAD) people
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:43:15 GMT
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Distribution: world
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In article <168A18425.R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:

 >      It's a good thing trains run on rails - keeps people from
 > claiming the locomotive swerved to hit them!  (but I'm sure some
 > have anyway!)

A number of years ago when trains still ran in the middle of Portland's 
Commercial Street, a little old lady in a big bronze Cadillac refused to 
yield and drove right into the nose of an Alco switcher which was moving 
at about 5 mph. Said lady proceeded to exit her banged-up vehicle and 
yell at the engineer, demanding to know why he didn't swerve.
        Yep, you're probably right.

 Mark Stoffan              nlbbs!mstoffan@uunet.UU.NET    (UUCP)
 Gorham, Maine  USA        mark@btsgatep.caps.maine.edu   (Internet)
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From: pierson@gimp77.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: Locomotive pilots
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: 15 NOV 92 09:54:23    

In article <1992Nov14.003253.26162@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU
(William Adams) writes, in part:

>Also: I have seen one particular pilot on a Conrail engine in Pittsburgh, PA
>with the lower outside corners cut off and the markings "3rd rail cutout" 
>chalked on.  Is there 3rd rail track on freight-shared tracks around here?

	Could be the engine is "qualified" for third rail around Manhattan,
	i seem to recall some residual freight ops.  A more probable guess
	(IMO) is that it operates past automated unloading gear.  Some of that,
	for some unit trains (coal, especially) uses a third rail to activate
	the unloading.  Each car has a contact shoe, etc....

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From: schumann@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: IHB / NYC Caboose information needed.
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:34:04 -0600
Followup-To: e-mail or group
Distribution: rec.railroad
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Nov20.180301.22054@schbbs.mot.com>,
yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal) writes:

> I need to get some information on the cabooses operated by 
> Indiana Harbor Belt RR (if they operated any...) which I think 
> was owned by New York Central.

Yeah, IHB did operate cabooses.  As I recall (it's probably been over 
20 years since I've seen one -- I moved away from Chicago in 1973, 
although I still visit several times a year), they were of the
transfer type (i.e., smallish enclosed part with fairly large open
platforms on both ends). 

Also, if my memory isn't failing me, the IHB was jointly owned by the 
New York Central and the Milwaukee Road.  (IF my memory is correct on 
that point, and IF one or the other party hasn't sold out, that would 
make today's IHB owned by Conrail and CP Rail?  Can anyone check?) 

> I am looking for the colour scheme and the markings used on the
> IHB RR caboose or NYC caboose (if this is a realistic alternative...?).

Hmmm...color scheme....  I seem to recall they were painted green.  I 
couldn't say how similar or different in shade from NYC colors.  The
markings I don't recall at all.  There is a very slim chance that I
have a color slide of one somewhere in my collection from back before
I kept track of what I had.  If no one else can come up with better
information, let me know and I'll try to dig around and see if I can
find anything in my collection. 

I'm posting this instead of sending it e-mail so that folks can 
correct my foggy memory.
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: British Rail news
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:31:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse



BR announced yesterday that they intend to make 5,000 of their staff
redundant by the end of this year.  They have also announced that the
operation of parts of the network may be suspended for safety reasons
because of a shortage of funds, particularly to replace obsolete
signals. 

The Government has announced that all BR freight services will cease
after privatisation. 

Ken Johnson



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Subject: Re: Stupid (DEAD) people
From: kent@brandonu.ca (Dorian Kent)
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:35:04 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <168A18425.R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu>, R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>      The "trains should go slower" people will be screaming in Cleveland
> Ohio again.  The stadium where the Cleveland Browns play is right
> downtown - a short didtance from the Conrail tracks.  Many people
> use the tracks as a shortcut to nearby parking lots.  After
> yesterday's game  the usual crowd was tromping down the tracks when
> a freight went through.  Two people were hit, one, a 13 year old
> boy with his father, died from his injuries.
>  
>      I expect any day now a news item saying the family is sueing
> Conrail and/or the crew of the train.
>  
>      It's a good thing trains run on rails - keeps people from
> claiming the locomotive swerved to hit them!  (but I'm sure some
> have anyway!)
>  
>  

All I can say is that is isn't Conrail's fault. Besides what are people doing
on private properity. If the people sue Conrail or the train crew, they won't
win. Those people were not supposed to be on the rail lines in the first place.
If the people used a little common sense this wouldn't have happened.
Raillines were not made to walk on. They were made for trains to run on.
That's all I have to say for now.

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From: wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams)
Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.064435.18356@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>I seem to recall that N&W and/or SRR and/or NS received some low hood
>units which were set up to run long hood forward.


I have seen short CSX trains (<5 cars) being hauled by low-hooded GPs 
running long hood forward.  Always reminds me of an ant dragging some
tasty morsel backwards (ants do this because it's easier than pushing 
a huge morsel through obstructions).

	Bill
	wadams@faraday.ece.cmu.edu


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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: The US Passenger Railroad Gap
Organization: LLNL
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 08:55:32 GMT


	This may be old hat to some of you people, but here in the
United States, we suffer from a severe passenger railroad gap compared
to some of our economic competitors. I tried to estimate some numbers,
and I came up with, for the number of intercity trains dispatched a
day, of:

Amtrak: 250 to 300

[approximate count from most recent schedule]

Europe: ~20,000

[Thomas Cook schedule: crude estimate]

	There are no commuter trains in Amtrak's count, though some
_may_ be counted in the Thomas Cook schedule.

	Even the two schedule books show the rather glaring size
differential (about a factor of 100).

	I think that this would be a great thing for some pol to make
a fuss about:

	How we Americans are suffering from a dangerous Railroad Gap,
and how we must catch up, no matter what the cost, lest we fall
hopelessly far behind and lose rather badly.

	[in the spirit of other gaps that have plagued Americans, like
the bomber and the missile gaps]

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From: khartman@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Stupid People
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:37:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Nov17.194002.17469@wubios.wustl.edu>, derek@wubios.wustl.edu (Derek Morgan) writes:
> On the front page of today's (11/17) Post-Dispatch, there is a story about
> grade crossing accidents: "4 Die in Week; Authorities Cite Lack Of Caution"
> reads the subhead. The police in granite City, IL, just across the river are
> going to "target" the RR crossings and hand out tickets if somebody disobeys
> the signals.
> 
> The place noted is an excellent place to photograph and watch trains; NS, CSX,
> IC, Amtrak, and an occasional Terminal RR job go through on 4 tracks. If you
> hang out for more than 1 train, you will also see some near accidents. The
> accident of the week:
> 
> 28-year pregnant mother drives around crossing gate to wait for train to pass
> on far track. In gaining these precious 10 yards, which will save her an
> enormous amount of time, she fails to realize that the gate now behind her
> has a purpose; an oncoming train hits her car. She is in critical condition;
> her three children in the car with her were also injured.
> 
> She has been unable to comment on her proud, defiant stand in the face of the
> oncoming frieght. Her family is preparing to take legal action against the
> engineer, saying that since he saw the car on the tracks, he was negligent in
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	
> not stopping the train.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
> Geez.
> 
> Derek Morgan



	And I really hope, if the judge has a brain in his head, that he puts
the Mother in jail for endangering the lives of her children, not to mention
the lives of the train crew!

	Sorry to rant, but this type of thing really burns me.  My Dad is a 
retired Engineer, and has had his fair share of jackasses pull out in front 
of him at a grade crossing.  All he could do was throw the brakes on, sound 
the whistle, and pray that the idiot would move.  People don't seem to 
realize that a large train cannot stop on a dime.

	Yeah, most of US realize that.  I just wish the idiots would get a
clue!



Ken





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	     These opinions are mine, not those of my employer.

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From: jerry@ncc.uky.edu (Jerry Nokes Jr.)
Subject: 717gif
Organization: University of Kentucky, Communications Services
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:14:49 GMT
Originator: jerry@ncc.uky.edu

  Ok guys, 

   I have posted 717.gif in alt.binaries.pictures.misc as 717.gif.
I hope this works, never done a post of a gif.  It has been uuencoded so 
Vi it then uudecode it and then you should be able to view it.

 It is a picture of her running up the track at the Bluegrass Railroad
Museum a couple of weeks ago, she had two coaches (Pullman) behind her, you
can just barely see them.  She is a 52 year old Porter 060 T.  Oil fired now,
and we had to set 8lbs on the brake to get her to chug up the hill.  She
was originally an Army switcher.  She is in the Anderson Block around the 
eight mile post from Lawrenceburg Ky, heading to Versailles Ky.  Let Me
know how the picture is, it was scanned with 24 bit color.  It didn't look too
good on a Sparkstation 1+ so I lightened it up a bit.  I have been told it 
looks good on Dos systems.   73 and enjoy.
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From: stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn)
Subject: Re: Ghetto Grills
Originator: stevray@sol.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:40:09 GMT


In article <17524@mindlink.bc.ca>, Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
|> > Craig Hinners writes:
|> >
|> > >
|> > >Apparently so.  The ``Contemporary Diesel Spotter's Guide'' notes
|> > >the presence of rock shields on some Amtrak engines on the Northeast
|> > >Corridor.
|> >
|> > Can't recall where I read this, but they're affectionately referred to
|> > as "ghetto grills".
|> 
|> 
|> The old VIA Rail Dayliner that used to run between Calgary and Edmonton was
|> equipped with a grate over the cab-end windows, presumably for rocks and
|> mishap debris.
|> --
|> 
|>  steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  The Great White North in
|>  OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []   Vancouver, BC, CANADA
|> 

The CP Dayliners that ran between Calgary and Edmonton and between Calgary and
Lethbridge in the 1960s had metal grates ove the cab-end windows.  I assume that
VIA simply continued running those Dayliners.

The 1960s were a more innocent time.  There were not many incidents of people
deliberately trying to kill or maim railway workers in the Canadian prairie.
However, there were a lot of unprotected level crossings on the Calgary-Edmonton
line especially and the folks living near the line took a long time to find
out that it was hard to beat that Dayliner to the crossing.


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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:20:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Stupid People (Rock Throwing)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

When I was in high school, I used to carpool to school with a couple of 
brothers who lived in Coal Creek Canyon [Colorado] to Golden High School
(located, not too unbelievably, in Golden, Colorado). One of the boys used
to brag [yes, I said "brag" :-( ] about dropping rocks through the wind-
shields of cars being carried on auto racks on the D&RGW [NOT SP!], in the
days before all auto racks were enclosed. I personally didn't find this
amusing, but since his brother was driving, I didn't say much. Their family
was pretty heavily into guns...   :-( :-(
 
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