From: "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com>
Subject: A short summary on Ragas and film songs
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:56:24 GMT
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	"Puththam pudhu Poo pooththadho, ennangalil then vArthadho,
	"muththam ida nAlanadho, solladi en sellakkiliye"

Murali Seetharaman,

	***I will have to listen to this song.  I will soon



  Could you pl identify "kangkai karaithth thOttam"
	*** yaman (yamuna kalyani)

  "maalaip pozhuthin mayakaththilE" by kaviarasu
	*** one of the pentatonics (5 swara on ArOgaNam
					  5 swara on avarOgaNam)


 Another song in Arabhi is
 "Eri Karai mele poravale......" in MudhalAli.


>Agaya veNNilavE  - arangERRa vElai - kanada
 I think it is darbari kAnada. 
	*** this is a very flat kAnada

***
Mathyamavathi, hindolam, mohanan, sudhdha dhanyasi and sudhdha sAveri
can look alike in film music as in film music graha bEdam is so very
common.  In the single film song just by the graha bEdam one Raga can
be made to sound like another.  (iLaiyarAjA does a lot of experiments)
It is very difficult to catagorize the songs into one of this raga.
However, we can find some definitive pattern
***

Idhazhil kadai ezhudhum neram idhu - UnnAl mudiyum thambi - lalithA.
MAlayil yAro manadhodu pesa  - ???? - Suddha dhanyAsi.
Nee dhAne endhan pon vasantham - NinaivellAm nithya - madhymAvathi.
* doubtful.  I heard quite a few theevra swarams
Ila nenje Vaa thendral theril engum - Vanna vanna pookkal - Suddha dhanyasi.
* I have not heard this song
AriyA paruvamada - MissiyammA - karaharaPriyA.
MAppillaikku mAman manasu - Thillu mullu - karaharaPriyA.
* movie is neRRikkaN - very little karakarapriyA in it

Gangaikkarai mannanadi - varusham padhinAru - Thodi.
ThirupAr kadalil - Swami Ayyappan - Bhairavi.
Indraikku en indha Anandame - Vaidhehi kAththirundhAl - Aabhogi.
Kozhi koovum neraththile kolam pottu pArkalAma - Vanna Vanna pookkal.
		- Bauli ??????(Correct me if wrong).
* I have not heard this song

ThottAl poo malarum - Padakotti - Suddha Dhanyasi.
PAdumo oviyam Ahaha pAdumo kAviyam - ???????? - Simmendhra madhyamam.
*I have not heard this song
Thakita Thakita ....ThandhAna - Salangai Oli - ShanmukhaPriyA.
*doubtful
Thoothu selvathAradi - SingAravelan - Gauri Manohari.
*I have not heard this song
Manmadha leelaiyil vendrAr undo - ??????? - ChArukesi ?(correct me if wrong)
*** unakkum enakkum isaintha poruththam, enna poruththamO - chArukEsi
Madurai marikkozhundhu vAsam - enga ooru pAttukkAran - MAyAmAlava gowlai.
						      (Correct me if wrong)
* This is malahari

VandAl mahalakshmiye en veettil endrum aval Atchiye - Uyarndha ullam - Kalyani

Sindhu nadhiyin misai nilaviline - Kai koduththa deivam - Desh.


Murali Seetharaman

Sivaranjani is such a common one in film music

	
Sivaranjani -   Terae Merae Beech Mae (Ek Duje Ke Liye)
		Mei Meera Tu Mohan (Meera Ka Mohan)
		Ennadu Gaanam Un Kadil Vizhavillaya (???)
		Moongilinai Kadugalae Muthu Mazhai..(Oomai Vizhigal)
		Oru Jeevanthan Un Padalthan (????)
		Aval Oru Menakai (Natchatiram)

Sahana     -    Parten, Siriten, Pakkam Vera thudithen..(???)
		Inda Veenaiku theriyadu (Oru Erayil Snegitham)

Bhoopalam  -    Oru Pon Maanai Naan Kaana Thaka dimi tom (???)

Shanmugapriya   Kathal Kasakuthaiya (Aan pavam)
*doubtful

Shudha Dhanyasi Nenzai Undai Pungai Undu Pongi varum...(Unnal Mudiyum
				Thambi) - Correct me on this if I am wrong
		(I know that the words of that song above are wrong!)

Vasantha   -    Raga deepam yetrum neram Puyal mazhaio (Payanangal
						Mudivathilai)
  ** Hamsanandhi
Ananda Bairavi  Karpagavalli Nin Poprpadam Pidithen (Bhajan song
				sung by T.M.S)
* RagamaLigai

Azhaikade,Azhaikade (I forgot the movie)
* I have to try a little bit more
  movie is 'manALanE ...' or 'kaNavanE ..'
Ullatilae Nalla Ullam ..(Karnan) - I think it is Chakravaham.  Am I
							 right?
**rendering is closer to Ahirbhairav (Hindustani) - but swaras are 
  exactly equal to chakravAgam in carnatic

Aval Sentamizh Ten Mozhiyai ( I forgot the movie.  It was sung
			by T.R.Mahalingam)
** movie is 'mAlaiyitta mangai' - i dont know the ragam. 
   manOrama's first movie

Some more additions:
KalyAni : Sindhanai sei maname, diname,seidhAl....(Ambikapathy)
	  YAr pAda varuvAr, thamizhe inimai tharume..(something like that
				I think I am wrong. film :????????)
				(Think it is uthirip pookkal)
**movie is correct
	  Amudhum thenum edharku, nee aruginil irukkaile
				(I am not sure, film:thai piranthAl 
					vazhi pirakkum)
	  Mannavan vandhAnadi thozhi,
				....(Thiruvarut chelvar)
	  Kalai vAniye unaiththAne ....(Sindhu bhairavi)

Ranjani : Enai thedum neram sabhai vandhu serum, seviyil vizhumo
		oomaiyin rAgam(??????)
*doubtful

Mohanam : Vandhadhe oh oh kungumam ....(Kizhakku vAsal)
	  Pazhaga theriya venum......(Missiyamma)
** above two songs are doubtful candidates.
	  Ninnuk ko ree varanam.......(Agni natchattram) (has foreign swarams)
	 
	** meen kodi thEril manamadha rAjan - 

KAnada : poo malai vAngi vandhal....(Sindhu bhairavi)

Sri Ranjani : NAdhamenum kovilile, nAdha vilakketri vaiththen(?????)
			sung by VAni jayarAm.

** The song is 'nAdham ezhundhatahdi, en kaNNamma'
		Another song in Gopura vAsalile is also based on
		 SriRanjani(a duet).

Gowri manohari : Gowri manohariyai kanden, oru...(Mazhalai pattalam)
** pAttum nAnE bavamum nAnE - thiruviLaiyadal                 


Sindhu bhairavi : NAnoru sindhu kAvadi sindhu..(Sindhu Bhairavi)
		SiththamellAm enakku siva mayame...(Thiruvarut chelvar)
		(Correct me if I am wrong)
** unakkenna mElE ninRai o nandalala - simla special


KAmbojhi : ThAzh thiravAi, manikkadave thAzh thiravAi,(Thiruvarut chelvar)

Thanks
Murali Seetharaman,

Chinnakkannan azhaikkirAn, rAdhai poongothai - Reethi gowlai - Kavikkuyil
Thalaiyaikkuniyum thAmaraiye - Reethi gowlai - (????Can anyone tell me
					       which one?????)
			- oru Odai nadhiyagiradhu ?

Petra thandhai thAi irundhAl ulagaththil unakkindha.....
		   - ShanmukhaPriyA - ???????
		   - I have not heard this song
Pazham nee appa, gnana pazham nee appA .. ShanmukhaPriyA - ThiruvilayAdal
I love you, ......... - KaraharaPriyA - Tik  Tik Tik
** Swaram in this song is 'sa ga ri ga ma pa tha ni' 
   doubtful
Mazhai kAlamum panikkAlamum sugamAnavai .... - Hamsadhwani - (??????)
			sung by VAni JayarAm and Jayachandran

YAr tharuvAr indha ariyAsanam....- AttAna - MahAkavi KAlidhas
AdAdha manamum undo, nadai alangAramum ...- lathAngi - MannAdhi mannan

Also can anyone post the rAgam of the foll.song.
Adho mega oorvalam, adho minnal thoranam ange... - EeramAna rojAve -???
Actually it uses the same swarams as mohanam
sa ri ga pa dha sa except that the dha is d1 and not d2 as in mohanam.

** This belong to one of the graha bEdam catagory.

Thanks
Murali Seethamaman

Song                                    Movie
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ABHERI

1. Chinnanchiru vayathil                Meendum kokila
-
**2. singAra vElanE                       konjum salangai

BHOOPALAM

1. Vidinthatha                          Pillai pasam

**I have not heard this song

CHARUKESI

1. Adal kalaye                          Sri Ragavendirar
-
**2. manmadha leelaiyai                   haridas
**3. unakkum enakkum isantha porutththam  namma veetu theivam

HAMSADWANI

1. Malarkale nadaswarangal              Kizhake pokum rail

HAMSANANDI

1. Oru poonjolai                        Vadyar veetu pillai

HINDOLAM

1. Nan vanankukiren                     Guru
**I have my doubt about all the above three songs

MADYAMAVATHI

1. Ananda then sinthum pooncholayil     Manvasanai
2. Gangai Yamunai inguthan sangamam     KJ Yesudas and Vani Jayaram

MAYAMALAVA GOWLA

1. Senthazham poovil                    Mullum Malarum
2. Poove eduthu                         Amman koil kizhakkale
3. Mukoothi poomele kattu okkanthu      Bhagyaraj's movie

** no for all the above three. the third one is like malahari.
  none of the above has sumpoorna swara structure

MOHANAM

1. Nan unthan thay akavendum            Ullasaparavakal
2. Semmalli poove poonthendral katte    by TMS and Janaki
3. Tha amth thi imtha                   Pakalil oru iravu
4. Geetham sangeetham                   Kokarako
5. Bansayee kathal paravaikal           Ulakum chutum valipan

NATTAI

1. Isai padu nee                        Isai padum thenral

PUNNAHAVAALI*****To be confirmed

1. Nethu rathiri yemma                  Sakala kala vallabhan
2. Kanna thorakanum swami               Mundanai mudichu
3. He rajave nan vanthene               Vazhve mayam

** no!

nearest example is 
'pudhu nelavu paadum nEram - pournami nilavil (vijayan as sssnake man)

SIVARANJINI***To be confirmed

1. Santhana poovudal                    Manalkayir
2. Julie I love you                     Julie I love you

SUBHA PANTHUVARALI

1. Ayiram thamarai mottukale            Alaikal oyvathillai
2. Mane thene kettipidi                 Udayageetham
** no not at all

subha panthuvaraLi is full of emotion.  most of the film rendering
is close to lalith (different from laltitha).
best examples are

- vai karaiyil  vaigai karaiyil - payanangaL mudivathillai
- vaazhkai Odam sella - avaL appadiththAn
- indha nAdagam andha mEdaiyil - pAlum pazhamum


SUDDHA DHANYASI

1. Poojai ketta poo ithu                Neethana antha kuyil
2. Namma ooru sinkari                   Ninaithale inikum
3. Poomalai oru pavai akuma             Thankamakan
4. Poonthaliradi                        Paneer pushpankal
5. Kuyile kavaikuyile                   Kavikuyil

THODI

1. Gangakarai                           Varsham 16


Can anybody identify the following?

1. Anthi varum neram vantha sukham      Mundanai mudichu
2. Anthapurathil oru maharani aval      TMS and Janaki
3. Athisayam anantham kattrinile
   varum geetham                        Kattinile varum geetham
4. Padavanthatho ganam                  Ilamai kalankal
5.  Samdra raja kumari suraloka Engal Vadhyar
6. Antha manai parungal azhaku  Anthaman kathali
7. O vasantha raja then sumantha roja   Neengal kettavai
8. Etho ninaivukal kanavukal            Akalvilakku
9. Kanne kannan kanna ponne poo meni vanna      Some old movie S. Janaki

** Let me think about some of this

Please correct me if I am wrong on any of the above ragas.


subu
ramamani@sirius.uvic.ca

1. Mohanam: sa ri ga pa dha sa
2. bhoopaalam: sa ri1 ga pa dha1 sa

Any additions to this list?  

Siva
(sivabala@u.washington.edu)

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