From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Deliverance)
Subject: Re: Talking bout Rush and the Great Conspiracy
Summary: There are only trivial differnces between Cons & Libs
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Keywords: revolution begets revolution begets revolution... 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:31:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.225749.12390@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes...

>In article <1993Jan4.160850.18112@nwnexus.WA.COM> 
>pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:
>>
>>Oh well - as the old cliche has it, Conservatives think
>>that Liberals are wrong; Liberals think that Conservatives
>>are stupid.
> 
>     Better: Conservatives think Liberals are fools; Liberals think 
>Conservatives are evil.
> 
>                                  Steve
>                                  One of the "evil" ones :-)


Karl Barth (swiss theologian) _Romans_ p.480:

	From this perception of the evil that lies in the very 
	existence of existing government, Revolution is born. The
	revolutionary seeks to be rid of the evil by bestirring
	himself to battle with it and to overthrow it. 	He deter-
	mines to remove the existing ordinances, in order that he 
	may erect in their place the new right... 
	
	The revolutionary must, however, own [up] that in 
	adopting his plan he allows himself to be *overcome*
	of evil (Rom. 12:21). He forgets that he is not 
	the One, that he is not the subject of the freedom
	which he so earnestly desires, that, for all the
	strange brightness of his eyes, he is not the Christ...

	What man has the right to propound and represent the
	"New," whether it be a new age, or a new world, or a
	new ...spirit? [or a new order]...

	Far more than the conservative, the revolutionary is
	*overcome of evil*, because with his "No" he stands
	so strangely near to God. This is the tragedy of 
	revolution. Evil is not the true answer to evil.

V. Eller _Christian Anarchy_ p. 122...

	Barth is simply saying that the rhetorical line of
	the revolutionary Left always is superior to that
	of the Right. With its talk of freedom, justice, 
	equality -- about helping the poor and oppressed
	-- it even *sounds* very much like Jesus. It is
	precisely in that similarity that the danger lies
	-- the danger of our taking it *for* Jesus. 

Romans 12:21...
	
	Be not overcome of evil but overcome evil with good.

K. Barth _Romans_ p. 490...

	Whether we support or oppose the existing order,
	we stand on the same level with it, and are subjected
	to one condemnation. Occupying some position, positive
	or negative, on the plane of the existing order, we
	are bound to have to pay for the fact that all are
	relative....

	The encroachment of revolution meets with the *sword*
	[or pen, or camera] of government; the encroachments 
	of government with the *sword* [or pen, or camera] of 
	revolution. And in the fate of both we behold our own
	destiny -- in fear and in pity. The wrath of God falls
	upon all of us. Upon each one is some way or other the
	*sword* is drawn; and it is not drawn *in vain*. Whe-
	ther we attempt to build up some positive human thing
	or to demolish what others have erected, all our 
	endeavors to justify ourselves are in one way or
	another shattered in pieces. We must now assert that 
	all these endeavors of ours not merely *cannot* be
	successful [when God has no part in them], but 
	*ought not* be so [since such would challenge God]. 

Those in government who offer hope, or a new world, without involving
GOD, take the responsibility of the Almighty on their own shoulders. 

V. Eller _CA_ p. 126...

	The Christian doesn't have to fret and to fight
	regarding every evil of the world, because he knows
	that all will be made right in God's good time
	and in God's good way.

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   |  Stephen   "Selah and Amen"
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