HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [eff.mail.ethics-l]  Re: Inquiry: Ethics and Staff Responsibility Statements
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,eff.mail.ethics-l
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:11:05 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: eff.mail.ethics-l
From: richard@RAVEL.UDEL.EDU (Richard E. Gordon)
Subject:  Re: Inquiry: Ethics and Staff Responsibility Statements
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:09:59 GMT

You can snag copies of our Policy for Responsible Computing (FINALLY
approved this past May) via anonymous ftp at zebra.cns.udel.edu.  We also
have a copy of the draft guidelines (still the March copy of that
document--May draft still in negotiations internally) for Units
implementing the policy.  It includes language that make clear the point
that sysadmins are ordinarily governed by the same policy as users and
contains a section about weighing the consequences of one's actions.

filenames on zebra.cns.udel.edu:

/pub/udel.policy           (approved, in place policy)
/pub/udel.guidelines_draft (draft guidelines)

Best,
Richard

Richard Gordon                             richard@brahms.udel.edu
CNS User Services, Smith Hall          or  gordon@udel.edu
University of Delaware                 or  acs02244@udelvm.bitnet
Newark, DE 19716 USA (302-831-1717)
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.admin.policy
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Screen lock (was Re: [comp.admin.policy]  Re: New Princeton Policy)
Followup-To: comp.admin.policy
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:48:31 GMT

[Note Followups]
kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
}[A repost - Carl]
}Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
}From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
}Olaf> == Olaf Titz <S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de> 
}
} Princeton>         ... You must not lock a workstation or computer
} Princeton> which is in a public facility.

} Olaf> This means: 'If you must go to the restroom you HAVE to leave the
} Olaf> terminal open, so that other users can terminate your session if
} Olaf> they need the machine.' This is IMO simply unacceptable. Other
} Olaf> policies would REQUIRE to lock the terminal to prevent tampering
} Olaf> with your account.

}MIT's Athena workstation policy is that you can lock it for no more than
}20 minutes before someone can feel free to reboot it or otherwise
}"forcibly unlock" it.  The "standard" screenlocker has a displayed timer
}of "how long I've been locked".

We considered a similar hack to xlock -- but decided that it would take
about a day for some student to ftp and compile a virgin copy and about
another day for it to find its way to all the usual xlock abusers.

For now, we just tell people to feel free to reboot if the workstation
has been xlocked 15 minutes.

John
-- 
John Hascall                                       ``Live with it pink-boy!''
Project Vincent                                                              
Iowa State University Computation Center                     john@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                      515/294-9551 [fax -1717]
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.security.misc]  Re: Locking terminals (was Re: New Princeton Policy)
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.security.misc
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:12:50 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON)
Subject:  Re: Locking terminals (was Re: New Princeton Policy)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:28:37 GMT

S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

>>  In article <CKD.92Sep9143724@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>>  |>  Olaf> This means: 'If you must go to the restroom you HAVE to leave the
>>  |>  Olaf> terminal open, so that other users can terminate your session if
>>  |>  Olaf> they need the machine.' This is IMO simply unacceptable. Other
>>  |>  Olaf> policies would REQUIRE to lock the terminal to prevent tampering
>>  |>  Olaf> with your account.
>>  |> 
>>  |> MIT's Athena workstation policy is that you can lock it for no more than
>>  |> 20 minutes before someone can feel free to reboot it or otherwise
>>  |> "forcibly unlock" it.  The "standard" screenlocker has a displayed timer
>
>Rebooting is not the way of choice, I think...
>
>>  |> of "how long I've been locked".
>>  |> 
>>...  
>>  At Rice, we have an X windows lockscreen program with a twenty minute
>>  timer.  After twenty minutes, the lockscreen itself logs the user out.
>>  The logout is pretty clean.  The only thing we haven't solved yet is
>>  how to get the user's .logout file to be read on logout by the
>>  lockscreen program.
>
>What about the following?
>
>A locking program that 
>- displays the time it is running,
>- after N minutes provides a button which will log the user out (with
>N preferrably to be specified in a configuration file),
>- perhaps communicates with other workstations in the cluster, to
>enable the logout only when no other workstation is idle.
>
>I leave the gory details of the implementation to the people who know
>X (that excludes me, unfortunately ;-)

Here at Melbourne Uni on one of the student machines, the lock command
has a default time-out of 15 minutes.

After 15 minutes, lock terminates and drops back into your shell, leaving
your account wide open.

-- 
Fergus Henderson             fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU      
This .signature virus is a self-referential statement that is true - but 
you will only be able to consistently believe it if you copy it to your own
.signature file!
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:43:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.150751.11322@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>MYGDALW@baylor.ccis.baylor.edu (William Mygdal) writes:
>
>>I discovered that Baylor (1) screens out all alt. and
>>rec. groups and who knows what else - we have 1213 newsgroups listed, and (2)
>>censors individual messages within newsgroups that are available.  For
>>example, in looking through the Jewish culture newsgroup I found that 
>>messages on the topic of Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were listed in the
>>group, but when I tried to read one I got a message stating that that item
>>could not be accessed.
>
>It's unlikely that Baylor is screening articles one-by-one; such an
>undertaking would be very expensive. On the other hand, it is not
>unlikely that Baylor excludes newsgroups based on the school's religious
>doctrine.

It is likely that Baylor not only excludes newsgroups (so does P'ton --
alt.sexy.bald.captains.borg.borg.borg, for instance) but also excludes
articles cross-posted to them as well.  Given the *overwhelming* volume
of crossposting of the WoodyMia threads, that might explain why they
were all gone.

A faily comprehensive list of newsgroups is periodically posted in
news.announce.newusers and news.answers, if you want to see what exactly
is being excluded.

Good luck.

marshall
-- 
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= Original material(c) 1992, Marshall Flax <mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik)
Subject: Re: University of Chicago Area
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.105158.18737@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Well, though people from the 708 area code may be frightened of the big
>bad city (all those people who aren't white!), even when they're manly 

Hey Ted, do you have any idea what my ethnic background is?

>frat boys like Michael, I haven't needed a weapon yet.
>Nor have any of my friends, male and female.  You can't walk two blocks
>in Hyde Park without seeing a police car, either University or City.
>University police response time is usually on the order of thirty seconds.

...because the University Police know what's up.  I do have a few friends who
attend UoC, and they're the ones who don't venture out alone, even in
daylight.  Maybe they're just scared, but maybe they're just careful.w3i]

Mike


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Wasylik                                               My mind's a grenade.
wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu                                Catch!
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Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: crawford@fermat (Randolph Crawford)
Subject: Re: What?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:16:36 GMT

>rjmical@ntg.com (RJ Mical) writes:
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>> So I'm sitting in a restaurant about a million miles from anywhere this 
>> afternoon when my nephew tries to squeeze past my chair but can't, so he 
>> asks me to move but instead of moving I say, "Whomever the far side of my 
>> chair will see must answer first these questions three:  *What* is your name?"
[...]
>>     She was tipped handsomely, don'cha know.
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>> -RJ Mical   (e-mail me at rjmical@ntg.com)                       How's Annie?
>> "I didn't do it ... I wouldn't refuse to deny that I had                 Whfg
>>     dismissed the thought of not doing it,                          frrvat vs
>>     but I didn't do it."  - Joe Frank                                 lbh ner
>> Life is like a  ____ .                                       cnlvat nggragvba
>
Congrats.  Great story, and first sig I've seen with Rot-13 encoding.
--
Randy
crawford@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Gee, it's quiet in this group!
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:11:41 GMT
From: rjmical@ntg.com (RJ Mical)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: What?
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:29:17 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

So I'm sitting in a restaurant about a million miles from anywhere this 
afternoon when my nephew tries to squeeze past my chair but can't, so he 
asks me to move but instead of moving I say, "Whomever the far side of my 
chair will see must answer first these questions three:  *What* is your name?"
    "Umm, Nick," says Nick.
    "*What* is your quest?"
    "What?" asks Nick, who is not old enough to have the word "quest" 
comfortably in his vocabulary.
    At this point the waitress - this wonderful waitress out there in the 
vast nothingness - leans over and asks Nick, "*What* is your favorite color?"
    Nick says, "Blue.  Well, actually, royal blue."  
    "Ha!" the waitress and I both cry together, and then we both make sproing 
sounds and scream "Eeeyaaaahhhhhhh" while finger-tracing long arcs of doom 
down into the chasms below.  
    She was tipped handsomely, don'cha know.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
-RJ Mical   (e-mail me at rjmical@ntg.com)                       How's Annie?
"I didn't do it ... I wouldn't refuse to deny that I had                 Whfg
    dismissed the thought of not doing it,                          frrvat vs
    but I didn't do it."  - Joe Frank                                 lbh ner
Life is like a  ____ .                                       cnlvat nggragvba
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton)
Subject: Something to post
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:05:56 GMT


If nobody else will post anything, then I will.

I got engaged over the summer!  Unfortunately, I'll have to wait until I  
graduate before I marry her.  Summer of '94.  Well, it's official now,  
though :)


--  Long Live the Memory of Gene Roddenberry
---------------------------------------------------------
--  Chris Morton   mortoncp@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: phineas@brombeer.lm.sub.org (Stephan Freundorfer)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Me and my girl
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:47:51 GMT
Organization: King Ralphs Palace , Munich


Hi!

I just wanted to share my good news with you. I'm going to marry my
first true love, which I know now for around four years. On the 18th
of September is the civil marriage, on the 19th the curch wedding.
The only bad news: After that there's no honeymoon, we've got no time,
but we will fetch that afterward.

Stephan.



--
Stephan Freundorfer                phineas@brombeer.lm.sub.org
Munich/Germany
+49 89-7256359      "Vertrauen sie mir, ich weiss was ich tue"
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From:  chorus@vntic.msk.su (ACADEMIC CHORUS BY S. STROKIN)
Subject: ACADEMIC CHORUS seeks for contacts
Summary: ACADEMIC CHORUS seeks for contacts
Keywords: ACADEMIC CHORUS SEEKS FOR CONTACTS
Reply-To: chorus@vntic.msk.su
Organization: AIST-VNTIC INFORMATION NETWORK
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 15:33:22 +0300 

                  ACADEMIC  CHORUS
                         by
                  Sergey   Strokin
                   Russia, Miscow

seeks for contacts in world for friendship and collaboration



Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: ljason@wam.umd.edu (L. Jason colton)
Subject: Re: ALL'ATTENZIONE DEGLI UTENTI ITALIANI
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:48:50 GMT

In article <AEZdBfgaP7@vntic.msk.su> chorus@vntic.msk.su writes:
>             ALL' ATTENZIONE DEGLI UTENTI ITALIANI !
>
>   Il Coro Accademico di Mo Sergio V. Strokin cerca collaborazione
>e l'amicizia con i cori, orchestri, solisti italiani. Ed anche con
>tutti amatori della musica classia, lirica, corale...
>
>   Per la vostra richiesta posiamo spedirvi (via E-mail) il programma
>del coro.
>
>                                 S. Strokin -  direttore artistico
>                                 B. Tarakanov - president
>                                 A. Kadosov - direttore amministrativo




			Good news indeed.



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				| ljason@wam.umd.edu    O-|--<
				| somebody else's problem
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From: jaffray@oreo.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: So, I'm off to Chicago.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:19:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Reply-To: jaffray@zippy.sonoma.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: oreo.berkeley.edu

Leaving California to be a math grad student at the University of Chicago.
Pretty exciting.

Anyway, I'm not *quite* sure how I feel about this, thus the crosspost.  :-)

-- Alan
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From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,alt.fan.warlord,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: What?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:20:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.slack
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH

This was so good I just had to see it again.

In alt.good.news, rjmical@ntg.com (RJ Mical), the godfather of the Amiga
graphics system, writes:

> So I'm sitting in a restaurant about a million miles from anywhere this 
> afternoon when my nephew tries to squeeze past my chair but can't, so he 
> asks me to move but instead of moving I say, "Whomever the far side of my 
> chair will see must answer first these questions three:  *What* is your name?"
>     "Umm, Nick," says Nick.
>     "*What* is your quest?"
>     "What?" asks Nick, who is not old enough to have the word "quest" 
> comfortably in his vocabulary.
>     At this point the waitress - this wonderful waitress out there in the 
> vast nothingness - leans over and asks Nick, "*What* is your favorite color?"
>     Nick says, "Blue.  Well, actually, royal blue."  
>     "Ha!" the waitress and I both cry together, and then we both make sproing 
> sounds and scream "Eeeyaaaahhhhhhh" while finger-tracing long arcs of doom 
> down into the chasms below.  
>     She was tipped handsomely, don'cha know.

> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> -RJ Mical   (e-mail me at rjmical@ntg.com)                       How's Annie?
> "I didn't do it ... I wouldn't refuse to deny that I had                 Whfg
>     dismissed the thought of not doing it,                          frrvat vs
>     but I didn't do it."  - Joe Frank                                 lbh ner
> Life is like a  ____ .                                       cnlvat nggragvba

RJ's .sig isn't too barphulous but I really liked the "five finger trick"
much better.

-- 
Kevin
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: rprenafe@dcc.uchile.cl (Rodrigo Prenafeta)
Subject: Re:Me and my girl
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:53:45 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

   Felicitaciones .Te estas casando para las fiestas patrias de 

   Chile.Viva Chile,Mierda.!!!
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney  x2987)
Subject: Re: Gee, it's quiet in this group!
Followup-To: alt.fan.warlord
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:19:29 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: gpivar@maestro.mitre.org (Greg Pivarnik)
Subject: Re: Hallo from Saxonia !
Reply-To: gpivar@mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:02:27 GMT

In article <schoenfe.2@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE>, schoenfe@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Pierre Schoenfeld) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>     Hallo !
|> 
|>     Who wants to correspond with me ?
|>   
|>     I'm a 17 years old boy and I still go to school . 
|>     If you want to know more then send me simple a message .
|> 
|>     My address is :    schoenfe@euler.mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de
|>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      
|>     (  my name is Pierre Schnfeld  )                         


I'll bite! Where is your geographic location? Germany? I am a little
unclear on your header. 
I am 29 years old and some would argue that I'm too old to correspond 
on alt.kids-talk and to that I say... age is relative, being young is a frame 
of mind!
I would gather from your header that you attend some Mathematical or
engineering university or polytechnic? 
-- 
Greg 

--  Be still, be silent...the rest is easy.  --
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Subject: Re: In Defense of a Little Virginity
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:50:04 GMT

I have to admit that remaining a virgin is the safest way to go, but
lets face it, many don't. That is why we need this type of
advertising.

Take drugs for example. Everyone knows that "drugs are bad" but people
keep doing them. Many because of peer pressure. And let's face the
fact of teenage dating. Most guys only have one reason...no, not for
companionship or a fun time (it is more fun to do something with the
guys than with a girl anyway), but for sex.

I personally would encourage any kids out there to remain virgins, but
the very nature of sex suggests that many won't. 

Eric
From: schoenfe@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Pierre Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Hallo from Saxonia !
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:06:34 GMT
Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG



    Hallo !

    Who wants to correspond with me ?
  
    I'm a 17 years old boy and I still go to school . 
    If you want to know more then send me simple a message .

    My address is :    schoenfe@euler.mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      
    (  my name is Pierre Schnfeld  )
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Scott J. Kleper)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: kids-93
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Anybody else out there in kids-93. I _think_ I just signed up
for it, but I might have just gotten an index or something. 
Anybody know more about it?
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women,misc.kids,alt.dads-rights
From: susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman)
Subject: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:39:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.064525.20969@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>Yes, child support is "supposed" to be for the children, but who
>verifies that it ever does go to the children.  Do custodial parents
>ever provide proof of the expenditures on the children?  Are they ever
>required to?  Why or why not?
My partner hasn't been asked, but he could.  As far as I'm concerned there's
no reason not to, but then the expense declaration that my partner's ex-spouse
would need to be documented as well.  
  
>I've paid so far.  So, if my ex- can somehow scrape by and save half of
>that money over the next 15 years, is that her money or is it the
>children's money?  What if she remarries and, because of that additional
>income, she is able to save all the child support money.  When my
>children are emancipated, is it her's?

My partner's lawyer told us that if we married (in CA, a community
property state ) that our family income would be counted in determining
child support.  This (and the tax disadvantages) is a major reason we
are not legally married.  I have no desire to subsidize someone who 
abandoned two kids by reducing her support obligation.  I don't mind
subsidizing the kids by providing cheaper housing, and I don't mind
spending my time to help raise them.

I would hope, by the way that if there is enough extra money for your
ex to save any that she would use it for college or whatever other
way would be appropriate for the kids to get a good start.

Susan Finkelman
susan@varian.com
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
From: hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress)
Subject: Re: "As a taxpayer [Bob B. says] screw [Deadbeats]"
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:31:32 GMT

Bob Kirkpatrick writes
>Now you have what you chose instead of release. You get to be a victim. 
>But don't keep going with this "unwilling" stuff about rape. 
>If anybody screwed EuStress, EuStress did. 

  I never had a judge`s signiture.
  Give me the name and address of an NCP
  who got a judge to sign a court order
  to stop his child support obligation
  WITHOUT THERE BEING AN ADOPTION.

  As I have for many=many months 
  -- I patiently await your answer.

  Even =IF= one judge terminates the
  parenthood of an NCP what about
  the thousands of other judges who won't?

  I =AVOID= being victimized -- by not
  using my SSN.  Unlike you, I do not 
  sadomasochistically bash my head 
  against court room walls.
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