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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 15:06:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Ioannis REKLEITIS <yiannis@BINKLEY.CS.MCGILL.CA>
From:         Ioannis REKLEITIS <yiannis@BINKLEY.CS.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: KATALHPSH - GEWPONIKHS
Comments: To: 5455290EC400@SSCL.UWO.CA
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              "HELLAS@BROWNVM.brown.edu" at Nov 4, 92 11:36:31 am

>
> Apo ton Oikonomiko Taxydromo ths Pempths 22 Oktwbriou
> antigrafw to parakatw keimeno. Exei sxesh me thn katalhpsh ths
> Gewponikhs
>
> -----------------------------
>
> Ta ejwfrenika aithmata twn katalhpsiwn ths Gewponikhs.
>
> Epeidh mporei kapoioi apo tous anagnwstes na agnooun poia einai
> ta aithmata twn katalhpsiwn ths Gewponikhs (pou na ta diabasoun h
> na ta akousoun allwste, afou sta MME den filojenoyntai tetoies
> plorofories gia na mhn ekte0oun ta paidia) na sas ta pareuesw
> egw.
>
>   1.      Amesh aposyrsh tou nomou gia thn anwtath ekpaideysh
> (pou eirhs0w en parodw synista mia anwdynh beltiwsh tou PASOKikou
> nomou plaisio, ton opoio exoyn apokhryjei pro pollou akoma kai oi
> PASOKikoi syntaktes tou ws ole0rio)
O nomos autos einai entelws xalia kai mpazei nera apo mia seira
meries merika apla problhmata:
1) Autarxikh strofh me suggentrwsh eksousiwn stous kathigites
prwths bathmidas kai asfuxtiko elegxo apo to upourgeio.
2) Kathierwsh 2 kuklwn spoudwn kai me auto ton tropo parapera
salamopoihsh twn foithtwn kai ousiastikh dunatothta elegxou tou
artithmou twn ptuxiouxwn apo "periergous" kathigites aplws me
ena mathima. Aukshsh twn xronwn spoudwn me auto ton tropo.

>
>   2.      'Katwxyrwsh ths dwrean dhmosias ekpaideyshs' (dhladh
> zhtoyn kati pou hdh yparxei)

Mesa sto nomo uparxei thesmos na plhrwnontai ta biblia kai o
upourgos pseudetai asustolos otan dhlwnei oti auto den einai
megalo eksodo. Akoma einai aithma gia ousiastikh sitish kai
stegash twn foithtwn. Paragontes pou einai anagkaioi gia na
mporei na spoudasei mia merida foithtwn.



>
>   3.      'Ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia thn paideia kai tis koinwnikes
> dapanes' (pera apo thn agnoia ths ellhnikhs glwsas oi nearoi
> 'epanastates' den antilambanontai, oti h apaithsh ayth
> synepagetai ayjhsh ths forologias se baros twn gonewn tous kai
> genika oswn egrazontai, oi opoioi kai plhronoun tous forous gia
> na spoudazoun dwrean kapoioi eargoi foithtes, pou anti na
> ektimoun auth thn 0ysia mas gia xarh tous apaioun kai alla!).

Ara loipon na mhn uparxei forologia na mhn uparxoun koinwnikes
paroxes!!! Kala to epipedo eufias tou einai kataplhktiko!!


>
>   4.      'Katw ta xeria apo to panephstimiako asylo' (kai to
> lene ekeinoi pou prwtoi to katalyoun, afou ejwpetajan apo to
> Panepisthmio tous ka0hghtes tous, tous ergazomenouus s' auto ki
> olous tous sunadelfous tous, pou 0eloun na spoudasoun ki oxi na
> paizoun toys anarxikous kai toys kopanatzhdes).
Exei kamia idea o suntakths peri tou ti einai to panepisthmiako
asulo??? Telika exei idea peri tou ti einai diekdhkhsh 'h mhpws
epeidh autos sernete kai glufei gia na anebei nomizei oti mono
etsi ekselhsete h koinwnia???

>
>   5.      'Kammia morfh idiwtikopoihshs ameshs h emmeshs'
> (fainetai pws jexasan oti oi goneis toys kai autoi plhrwnan ouk
> oliga xrhmata epi xronia sta idiwtika, bebaiws, fronthsthria gia
> na kalypsoun ta kena ths anapotelesmatikhs dhmosias ekpaideusews,
> wste na kataferoun na mpoun sto panepisthmio).

Ara afou h dhmosia ekpaideush einai skata na thn
apoteleiwsoume!!


>
>   6.      'Na katargh0ei o nomos gia thn EAS kai na kalypsei ta
> elleimata ths o proypologismos me eidikh forologia sto kefalaio
> twn kapitalistikwn epixeirhsewn'!!! ( gia enhmerwsh tous - an
> mporei kaneis na enhmerwsei  paidia pou pleoun se pelagos
> agnoias, to synolo twn kerdwn twn kapitalistikwn epixeirhsewn
> (A.E.) perysi htan 150 dis. drx. peripou. Ki an akoma dhmeyotan
> to synoliko auto poso, pali den f0anei gia thn kalypsy twn
> elleimatwn ths EAS. Ara gia na ginei dekto to aithma tous 0a
> prepei  l.x. na katargh0ei h dwrean paideia. Etsi paidia? Kai gia
> ta dyo den ftanoun ta kapitalistika kerdh).
>
Mhpws prepei na bgaloume mia ektakth eisfora uper twn kakomoirwn
twn epixeirhsewn pou peinane kale koitakste tous .....




>   7.      'Na aposyr0ei amesws to asfalistiko nomosxedio' (peran
> to oti den jeroun na diakrinoyn metajy nomosxediou kai nomoy,
> kotzam foithtes panepisthmiou, epi0ymoun profanws na kleisei to
> IKA, kai ta alla asfalistika tameia, afou o nomos pou psifhsthke
> auto kyriws problepei: ejeyresh porwn gia na synexisoyn na
> pernoun syntajh oi paterades kai papoudes tous. Auto 0eloun, h
> mhpws 0a prepei na plhrwsoun pali oi kapitalistikes epixeirhseis?
> Alla afou 0a dwsoun ta resta tous gia thn EAS kai den 0a
> apomeinei oute mia draxmh gia alles anagkes apo pou paidia?)

Epikoinwnei me oti exei anamesa sta autia tou panhlithios????





>
>   8.      'Na dialy0oun twra to MAT-MEA' (profanws gia na baloun
> fwtia kai sto Gewponiko Panepisthmio xwris na tous enoxlhsei
> kaneis. To problhma tous einai oti den exoun enan Niko Markato ws
> prytanh gia na deixnei katanohsh sto hrwstrateio ergo tous).

Einai gnwsto ths pash oti h fwtia mphke apo eksw eite apo
aganakthsmenous polites (etheathisan merikoi sto panspoudastiko
kai kseperasan kai thn patoulidou sto treksimo ;-)) )eite apo
dakrugono einai gnwsto oti den kais to asulo sou kai einai
episeis gnwsto oti ekeino to bradu tessereis fores prospathise o
prutanhs kai h efee na ekenwsoun to polutexneio kai ta
fasistoeidh ths ONNED mazi me ta MAT tous ksanaesprwxnan mesa.




>
>   9.      'Na apeley0erw0oun twra oi apergoi ths EAS' (kaneis
> apergos ths EAS den einai sth fylakh ektos apo ekeinous pou
> jebrakwsan kai lhstepsan tous synadelfous tous. Auto ennooun ki
> auto ennoei ep' eukaireia kai o k. Lampros Kanellopoulos, pou
> epishs milhse gia syllhpseis apergwn?)
>
>  10.      'Na anklh0oun oles oi apolyseis sthn DEH' ( 0eloun na
> gyrisoun pisw sth douleia tous ekeinoi, pou molonoti proswpiko
> asfaleias, den proshl0an sth 0esh tous, opws eixan nomikh
> ypoxrewsh ki etsi ejaitias twn diakopwn reymatos odhgh0hkan sto
> 0anato akoma kai mikra paidia!)
*******************************
edw bgainei Martha Bourtsi kai klama koromhlo.

>
>  11.      'Na stamathsei twra h diwjh twn pente melwn ths OSE'
Auto giati den to sxoliazei o kurios einai paralogo na
enddiaferontai oi aurianoi episthmones gia tis sunthhkes
eleutherias tou logou sthn xwra tous. Oi 5 ths OSE (kai oxi tou
OSE) diwkontai giati ebgalan ena biblio me apopseis diaforetikes
me ths epishmes.
>
>      Ola auta einai ta kyria aithmata gia to opoia 'paleyoun' kai
> 'apaitoyn' oi katalabontes to Gewrgiko Panepisthmio apo thn
> Prytania tou, h opoia fysika kai na h0ele den exei thn dynatothta
> na ta ikanopoihsei. Yparxoun epishs kai 2-3 deutereuonta h anohta
> aithmata pou aforoun tis spoudes tous (l.x. na mhn katate0ei o
> eswterikos kanonismos tou Panepisthmiou, o opoios omws oute
> yparxei, oute exei asxolh0ei akoma kaneis m' auton) me
> apokorygwma 0rasous kai anaisxyntias to aithma gia 'ka0orimo
> megistou ariou apotyxias stis ejetaseis'. Ki epeidh mporei na mhn
> katalabainete ti shmainei auto sas dieykrinizw: An ginei dekto
> ena pososto as poume 5% kai prosel0oun gia ejetaseis 100
> koumpoures pou 0a dwsoun entelws agrafes kolles na mporei o
> ejetasths na kopsei mono tous 5! Oi alloi 95 koumpoures 0a
> pernoun diplwma. Kai den einai dyskolo na paei o nous mas sto oti
> oi katalhpsies, gia na diatypwnoun tetoia aithmata, 0a prepei na
> 0ewroun eautous anikanous na perasoun tis ejetaseis......
> G.M.
>
Oxi auto einai kati allo den mporei na dhlwnei kathigiths oti
einai magkeia tou kathigith oso pio pollous kopsei Oute o allos
fwsthras sthn Nomikh na dhlwnei se foithth pou rwta giati
kophke:
"Kala edw ekopsa to 95% ths takshs esu giati na peraseis???"

Nomizw oti einai logiko an kopoun kai ta 90% twn foithtwn na
uparxei kapoio problhma.


> -------------------------
>
> Dionysis
>
> U.W.O - London - CANADA
>

Yiannis
Yg Epitelous kai kapoia kala nea. Meta tis Iatrikes kai h
geoponikh!
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