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From: Jon.Meltzer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jon Meltzer)
Subject: Re: The Calvin/Sandman Connection
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:34:13 GMT

Well, Calvin has frequent contact with the Dreaming ... Spaceman Spiff,
Calvinosaurus, the bed-monsters ...

(Hobbes, of course, is real.)
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: DC Implosion
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:17:42 GMT

In article <BtK26r.CF1@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
>Black Condor
I'd say you can kiss this one good bye in a couple of months. Doesn't
"fit in" with their new image.
>
>Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt
Ditto with this one. Looks pretty lame anyway.
>
>The Demon
Will probably survive. Don't know why, but it will.   
>
>The Heckler
Dead meat as well. Again, no firm proof, just a hunch.>

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From: lsmith@nano.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:17:02 GMT

In article <177lj2INN5uj@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>Not to be a morbid jerk or anything, what happens if Gaiman
>dies before ending Sandman? 

Nah, it would never happen. Gaiman is the only writer that writes good
parts for Death.
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 Lance "The Weasel" Smith  | "He which brings no hustle to this game
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Let him depart; his waivers will be cleared,
  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quotes from reviews
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:32:29 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:

>Didn't Rolling Stone do a piece on Sandman a while back?  (Or is RS not
>"respectable")

Yes RS is respectable but I cant really be searching all through
the back issues of it. I need quotes soon.

Jed
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: XMen and Batman cartoon info
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:56:23 GMT

Actually, the possibility of a x-book based on the cartoon is pretty high, 
given that Batman Adventures will be a DC comic set in the universe of the 
Batman cartoon.
     Dave Van Domelen, wondering if the multiverse is back with Earth-LotDK...
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:49:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
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In article <1992Sep1.192519.17888@news.nd.edu>, mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>>One of the more interesting. . .and under-used. . .aspects of this whole 
>>series is the dual-body question.  Namely, are Mickey and Miracleman the 
>>same person. 
> 
> The way I see this, they have the same *mind*, but different bodies. It is
> certainly true that MM/Mike Moran as well as Good Johnny/Bad Johnny act
> differently, but I think that can be attributed to different bodies having
> different brain chemistries.

	I saw it as much more plausible that Johnny developed multiple
personality syndrome as a mental defense because he horrified himself so,
not because KM and JB were physically different.
	Mike Moran was a fully integrated personality; when he became MM, the
difference was perceptual (MM "felt" more strongly), not a question of
personality.  Johnny never had the chance to integrate his personality (aka
growing up).
-- 
"There is no heroism in vanquishing a weakling or a fool."
--Irwin R. Blacker
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Squid Shirts to Surface at WorldCon
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:16:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

DATELINE: ORLANDO.  Squids are predicted to overrun Orlando this
weekend, coinciding with the 50th World Science Fiction Convention.
Con goers are advised to wear protective clothing and avoid dangerous
looking cephalopods if at all possible.  Experts are expecting a
large influx of _cephalopodus_dolors_, the dreaded "Suicide Squid."
_C._dolors_ is easily recognizable by its eight silver tentacles,
each containing a hazardous object, and its two longer, flesh-colored
arms.  The toaster is thought to be extremely deadly.

As a service to rec.arts.comics.* readers, this reporter has made
arrangements to provide protective camoflage to any who may need it.
Made of 100% cotton, the Suicide Squid T-Shirts defends against _C.dolors_
by imitating it (the Suicide Squid forever swims alone).  To obtain
one, find this reporter and say "Hey, where's my Suicide Squid T-Shirt?"

-----

Yes, it's true, the long-awaited Second Printing is not a hoax, not a
dream, not an imaginary t-shirt.  The first batch off the press will
be going with me to WorldCon this weekend in Orlando.  Anyone who
has ordered a T-shirt and will be there can pick it up in person,
getting it immediately and saving postage.  All you have to do is
find me. :)

That shouldn't be hard, actually.  I'm staying in the Clarion hotel;
leave a message for me at the desk (the earlier in the con the better)
letting me know how/where to find you and I'll do my best to hook up
with you.  Also, I will be showing up at Brad Templeton's @! party,
Friday night, 8th floor of the Peabody hotel (watch for the signs).

When I return from Worldcon, the shirts will start going out in the mail.
I'll send email to everyone whose shirts I send out.  Note that I'm
having to do these in batches, due to the large number of orders,
so if yours doesn't go out immediately, have patience, young Jedi.
I will strive to fill and ship all orders within two weeks of getting
back from WorldCon.

For those of you who have recently sent Tom inquiries about shirts:
Tom will send out acknowledgements and/or instructions when he
gets back from WorldCon.

I hope to see {some/all/none/a whole bunch} of you there!

Eddie Maise   gt5878b@cad.gatech.edu   Serving Donuts on Another Planet

From _Petersen's Guide to Fan Watching_:
  "Standing 6'3" tall, Eddie Maise can often be spotted in a crowd.  He
   may be identified by his long blonde hair (sometimes worn in a
   pony-tail), round wire-frame glasses, and goatee.  He is often found
   in the company of gamers (in particular the subspecies "Champions
   Gamer") or among filkers.
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From: areid@mary.fordham.edu (Darin Reid)
Subject: INFO: ATLAS Comics of the 1970's History
Organization: Fordham University
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:49:00 GMT
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     A little while ago I wrote comparing Atlas Comics (1970's) and Image
Comics.  After that some people wrote wanting to know the story of Atlas.
Well, after weeks of searching I found an article I read years ago, called
"Atlas Reconsidered".  It gives the History of Atlas Comics, the importance
their line, who was behind it, and even a rundown of what each series was 
about.  At the end of the Article a checklist is also included (which after
checking I found I have the entire run of every book!).  

This Article is in __Amazing Heroes__ #81 for those who are comics history
and/or trivia buffs.

Two characters who became famous at Marvel started at Atlas (Dominic Fortune
& Devil Slayer), and many future comics hotshots started with Atlas (Walt 
Simonson, and Howard Chaykin are the best known).  So I'd say their history
is an interesting footnote on comics history.  Check the article out.

If anyone has any other article/info/source for Atlas of the 70's I'd be 
grateful if you would e-mail me how I could get to it!

- Darin
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From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: Who gets the most credit? Penciller or Inker or Colorist ?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:45:45 GMT


Thanx to those who've answered my questions so quickly.

Now that I know what's happening, who gets the most credit for the artwork
of a comic? 

Thanx in advance.

May thy fortunes go with thee.

Darren				 dyko@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au 
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Elseworld books(DC)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:03:36 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Aug31.155739.17905@cco.caltech.edu> whicken@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Wendell Hicken) writes:
>For better or worse, "Holy Terror" was one of my favorite Elseworlds books,
>though I wish they hadn't killed so many (all?) of the staple DC 
>characters.

I liked it a lot, too, though I wonder a bit about what happened to Nabu,
the Green Flame Of Life, and The Spectre (any one of which would have been
an impressive foe of the church)...

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 mxr@neptune.world (Max Rible) writes:
> mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
>>  MM's logo was missing! We know that the Miraclebeings' uniforms 
>>change acording to their persona, but what can this mean?
>
>Given that he had it on the cover, I suspect that the artist wasn't up
>to making a tiny little MM on Miracleman's chest.  Note that we never
>get a closeup that permits us to look at it, and artists will
>sometimes elide things that won't show up well.

	Well, the cover was done by Barry windsor-Smith, no? It isn't
uncommon for cover artists to make mistakes on costume details. I think
the recent Justice League issues with guest cover artists have made the
same mistake.

	As other people have said, we *clearly* see that MM's logo is
missing several times -YM even comments on the fact that MM's costume
has changed (of course, it had changed earlier in the series too). 
I also credit Mark Buckingham with being a competent enough artist that
he wouldn't leave it out. 
--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:57:01 GMT

Contrary to what has been said, later in the Moore run, MM makes it pretty 
clear that he thinks of himself as different from Moran.  He calls Moran
unreliable (talking to the guy with gem teeth) and says, you aren't dealing
with Moran now.  Lot's of other clues.

I think the point is that a lot of what defines us as human comes from our
secret fears.  MM can survive an atomic blast, and has.  He can fear for those
he loves and fear enemies on his power level, but his attitude toward normal
humans will always be tempered by the fact that he neither needs them nor
fears them.  He does not need money.  He does not lack for sex--with his
body, who would?  His existence is completely non-human, although not
necessarily "inhuman", as in Bates' case.

Consider this.  Someone--like that kid in the viniete--call hims a fag.  To
him its a joke.  He KNOWS that he is the most virile, most strong, most
masculine creature on the face of the earth.  He is incapable of feeling any
kind of insecurity at such a taunt.  It's just funny.  But Moran would be
pissed off.

Or take this example.  Someone mugs MM in an alley.  What would MM do?
Quite possibly, give the mugger all his money.  Why?  Because it is meaningless
to him.  He can have anything.

Or this.  Someone shoots him.  Moran, if shot (and if he survived) would feel
all sorts of emotions:  fear, relief, anger.  MM might just ignore it, except
that he would probably act to protect other people from this moron who just
wasted a bullet on his forcefield.  But would he be angry?  Why?  Do you get
angry at a kid who points a finger and says bang?  What if the kid says,
I wish you were dead?  You might be hurt by the kids lack of affection,
but rage, not likely.

Moran and MM are not the same person at all.  Something that both realize
at the end of Moran's run.  Hence Moran's "suicide".
-- 
William ("Shakespeare") Gulstad          /  So where are the C.S. babes?
wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                /  Joni Mitchell for President!
I vote, so I can complain!               /  Did you vote?  Then don't complain!
Republican is the opposite of democracy! /  Tune in, drop out, log on.
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Deathstroke Dies in #16 ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:56:16 GMT

brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:

>> I just picked up Team Titans #2, and on the cover, it says that 
>> Deathstroke is going to die in #16 !?

>I don't read Team/Titans/Deathstroke, but my wife does. According to what
>she's read in Advance Comics, Deathstroke will indeed die, but he will get
>resurrected/cloned/broughtbackfromthedead as his younger self. How this is
>going to be accomplished I don't know, but with the time problems they've
>been having I don't think it will be difficult.

NO!!! Say it isn't so. First they totally ruin Deathstroke in the series and
the Titans (he used to be interesting), and now they are turning him into
another young stud with a tight costume. *grump* I liked Deathstroke because
he was an older guy. It was a nice touch.

Axly
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:05:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>Informed sources now say that this rumor is true. Alan Moore will write
>one issue of Spawn. ("But he compared Image comics to crack cocaine!" I cry.)
>Further, Neil Gaiman will also write one issue of Spawn.

Hmmm, looks like that panel at the Con may have made an impact on
McFarlane.  Or is it just the money?  Oh well.
-- 
Beware of Bigfoot!
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the LNH?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:20:51 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep1.033600.16491@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.152522.11329@news.nd.edu> mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>>	Someone who came back from the summer was asking about the Legion
>>of Net Heroes...as in "Whatever became of the LNH?" Well, I guess the most 
>>disturbing thing is that we were torn apart by internal conflict during
>>the reprehensible rac reorganization, and as a result our members found
>>themselves thrown across the network only to awaken in a variety of 
>>newsgroups.
>>
>G-d, this sounds like one of the Bierbaums(?) stories.
>
>
>>	As for myself (Myk-El), I found myself wandering with no memory
>>in r.a.c.marketplace reading about comic stores in Pittsburgh. Who knows
>>where the rest of our once great Legion is? Perhaps in true comic fasion we 
>>should join up and go battle it out in rac before it is annihilated on 
>>September 30th...
>
>Well I'm all for it!!!    Rebel Yell reporting for duty!!! Should I send out
>the alarm?

After meandering aimlessly for the summer, attempting to catch up on rac
whenever he got the chance, Obscure Trivia Lad welcomes the opportunity
to do battle with the forces of comics evil.  

Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?
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From: whicken@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Wendell Hicken)
Subject: Re: Elseworld books(DC)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:57:39 GMT

>> What Elseworld books are out there and how good are they?

New Elseworld's Books (from Advance Comics):

Dark Joker: The Wild:  A mystical medieval type Batman. Joker as a sorcerer.
The Blue, the Gray, and the Bat: Batman during Abraham Lincoln's Time
Robin 3000: Just what the name says.

The later two are due out in November, I think, but I don't know when
the "Dark Joker" is supposed to come out.

For better or worse, "Holy Terror" was one of my favorite Elseworlds books,
though I wish they hadn't killed so many (all?) of the staple DC 
characters.

					Wendell (whicken@parasoft.com)
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 05:05:33 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

esti@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

> More seriously, I've been known to hang up on the wall various *nice*
> cover art issues (all bagged-- can't figure out any other way to hang
> it)... 

There's a company somewhere (sorry I can't be more helpful) that sells
snap-together comic frames for exactly this purpose.

> I've never bought an original art page to hang; has anyone out there
> done so?  What did you get?  How's it look? 

My friend Scott gave me a page of one of his _Horny Biker Slut Comics_
pages for my birthday last year.  It's in a 20x15" black metal frame, with
two layers of black-core matting around it (the outer one is a grayish
pink, the narrow inner one is a dark maroon), and looks absolutely
gorgeous.  If you're framing original art, you really ought to go for the
black-core matteboard -- it sets off the art really well if you have a lot
of solid blacks, and draws your attention towards the page. 

One place at SDCC had the originals for a two-page color _Tank Girl_
spread for sale for $300.  I guess it would have been hard to mount,
but damn it looked good!

Now, does anyone have any tips for framing *cels*?

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who gets the most credit? Penciller or Inker or Colorist ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9224019.25401@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes...

>Now that I know what's happening, who gets the most credit for the artwork
>of a comic? 

The penciller does.

But fans are becoming more savvy these days, and they have come to know that
much of what makes a particular artistic style recognizable happens at the
inking stage. 

Colorists usually go unrecognized (except by artists themselves).  This is
too bad, because the colorist adds atmosphere to the story, a crucial element.
Many of my favorite comics, artwise, are such because the color sense is so
good, and many a good comic has been ruined by horrible coloring.

But there has never once been a colorist who has earned the level of name
recognition that is so routine for good pencillers.  Same for inkers. 

I think Steranko pioneered a more spectacular use of color in his
ground-breaking work of the late 60's, just as he pioneered many other very
successful artistic techniques.

						-- J.S.
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:01:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Mike Manley (manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE)) writes:

>  Yes, but are you then saying that Johanna somehow escaped the curse on
>  the Constantine family and did *not* die alone and friendless?

Is "die alone and friendless" equivalent to "die alone and unloved?"  Is
Cerebus last name Constantine?  Hmmm.

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                             |     I was the only one to hear Art and Val.
Jim Drew                     |     "You've been getting tested regularly?"
jrd@frame.com                | asked Art.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I promised you, didn't I?" said Val. 
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "And...?"
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Don't *worry,* Art.  I'm negative."
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "Are you sure?"
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "Positive."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "For Art's Sake"
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