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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:20:34 -0500
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From:         buchanan@BME1.UTMEM.EDU
Subject:      Re: Opinion

>The latest version of Ultrix is 4.2C, not 4.3A. Ultrix 4.2C is composed
>of Ultrix 4.2A, PLUS some security patches which make it 4.2B, PLUS the
>SCSI CAM driver & Motif 1.1.3 which finally make it Ultrix 4.2C.
>All of the above is in the June 1992 CONDIST distribution, it's amazing
>how many people have missed it based on the same topic discussed in the
>comp.unix.ultrix newsgroup a few weeks ago.

>Fred Velijanian
>University of California, Irvine

I mistyped.  I meant 4.2A not 4.3A.  My basis for saying this is the
most recent version is the following two items from this mailing list:

>TO:  Remote Addressee                     ( _decwrl::"dectei-l%ubvm.bitnet" )
>
>
>Subject: ULTRIX CDROM 8/92
>
>Note 8.38                    ULTRIX CONDIST LISTING                     38 of
 39
>5-Aug-92 17:49
>                  -< August 1992 ULTRIX ConDist Product List >-
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          August 1992 Master Index - RISC:
>
>
>
> Product_Name____________________Vers.____UPI______Status__CD____Directory
>
>          ULTRIX OPERATING SYSTEM         4.2A     VYVAA            1
>          (RISC)
 /UDT420
					   ^^^^^
Also from this mailing list/newsgroup:

>
>   June 1992 Master Index - RISC:
>
>
>   Product Name                     Vers.   UPI     Stat   CD  Directory
>   ------------------------------   -----   -----   ----   --
>-----------------

>   ULTRIX OPERATING SYSTEM (RISC)   4.2A    VYVAA           1  /UDT420
                                     ^^^^^

I did not purchase the automatic service which delivers these as they
come out, (since I can't use any new layered products under the CSLG
until the next renewal anyway and both notices say the disks contain
4.2A which I already have from the December 1991 Condist).  I can only
accept what I see in DEC's official pronouncements.  Is it any wonder
that people think the current version is 4.2A.
Is it really 4.2C?  Is there any way a person can really know without
the CD in his own disk drive.  I think this makes my point better than
I did in my original message.
	Jack Buchanan
	UT Memphis
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Subject: What's a "Motif Personal Use License?" (QL-XA1AA-2B)
From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:27:54 MST
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

Well, I've just upgraded to the wonderfulness of VMS DECwindows Motif V1.1, only to find that I've
gotta buy Motif licenses for all my VAXen.

According to article <9208271746.AA13268@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> in newsgroup bit.listserv.dectei-l, by
Ellen Minter <minter@MR4DEC.ENET.DEC.COM>, there's something called a QL-XA1AA-2B, "VMS DW Motif
Personal Use License" which I can buy for $265 per node (less EDU discount.)

What does this license buy me?  Does it let me run an arbitrary number of Motif clients  on one
system, provided that they all display on the same server?  But prevent me from running two clients
simultaneously that display on different servers?  Are different displays on the same server OK?

If I use multiple transports (DECnet, TCP, LAT), does this license (magically) figure out that a
given server is one and the same even if it goes by different names in different transports?  Or am
I only allowed one (server,  transport) tuple per system?  Or am I allowed a different server name
for each transport?

Maybe the license restrictions of QL-XA1AA-2B are just too severe for me to tolerate.  In which case
I suppose I should get a QL-XA1A*-AA, "VMS DW Motif Unlimited License", which costs from $265
(VAXstation) to $11,100 (9400.)  
Then, how much do I have to pay for a MicroVAX 3400?  A VAX 4500?  My salesman can't solve for `*'
in this part number.

I'd appreciate any hints on these mysteries ... thanks in advance,

Aaron

Aaron Leonard (AL104), <Leonard@Arizona.EDU>
University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721
|>   If it ain't broke, break it.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:55:58 EDT
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: ESL SUPPORT FOR DECWINDOWS MOTIF CLARIFICATION

Linda,

Just to reconfirm what you have said and a question ...

>The way SSS (Software Support Service) is designed for VMS (UPI 001), support
>for DECwindows MOTIF is included as it is one of the kernel software products
>(kernel products include VMS, DECnet, DECwindows Motif, VAXcluster and
>Workstation).  Therefore, the new ESL will include support for DECwindows
>Motif - this support will include telephone support and RTNV through the
>designated CSC contacts.

So, this means we will have telephone and RTNV for all the systems we have under
the new ESL program, correct? I ask because it contradict what Ellen has said
earlier (at least from my interpretation.)

>Updates are always purchased separately - if Motif is not on the CONDIST, then
>you will have to purchase MDDS.

I think this is well-understood and not a question. The question is the RTNV.
:-)

>However, the way DECwindows Motif is supported does not effect how it is
>licensed.

Now for Stephen Tihor's question ...

>Thats Odd I though we get RTNV though the CSLG.

Isn't that confusing? Anyway, from what I interpret from the message that Linda
sent, sounds like you get RTVN if you get the VMS SSS. Don't we all wish that
DEC can make it a little easier and less confusing?

>I observe that I did not recieve a MOTIF pak int he CSLG.  if I get RTNV under
>the ESL I should then get a MOTIF PAK thorugh the ESL or motif will not
>require new PAKs and will run forever on the origial grandfathered pak even
>new versions?

I think the Motif license PAK we get should run forever since there is no
version limit or termination date.

>        However, the way DECwindows Motif is supported does not effect how it
 is
>        licensed.
>
>Bingo.  This is where I have the problem support is via ESL, license upgrade
>via CSLG.   So I can not install a version of MOTIF that will not accept the
>grandfathered PAK until I get a new PAK and -- by observation -- I am not getny
>new PAKs.

I hope what I said above is correct (that is, the license PAK for Motif will run
with any version of Motif) and that should answer the question above.

Ta Fuh Chiam

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Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
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From: HULSE@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Geoffrey Hulse)
Subject: Motif
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:23:39 GMT

It was my understanding that we were covered as well. I reviewed the upgrade
documentation it seemed to confirm this in more than one place. I have placed
a number of calls to the local sales office to see what in the world is going
here.

Geoff Hulse
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From:         Jim Grossen 615 974-6721 <GROSSEN@A1.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TEI Questions 1
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I believe that the OSF MOTIF free license deal included support and right to
new version for 1 year free of charge.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:28:31 -0400
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From:         Andrew Potter <AWPSYS@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF 1

Jack Buchanan writes:

>I realize much of this may be beyond the control of the TEI people, but
>this kind of stuff, combined with questions about DEC's commitment to
>MIPS, questions about OSF1 availability and licensing and Alpha
>availability add to the frustrations of dealing with DEC and the TEI
>for an Ultrix person--not to mention that much of the TEI (and ESL
>particularly) is based upon a computer center-VAX/VMS model which is
>minimally appropriate for many of us.  I am sorry if this is
>inappropriately critical, but I have held my tongue in public for over
>a year, hoping things would get better.  They've gotten worse.  I have
>bought 10 DECstation 5000s without talking to a Sun or IBM salesman
>since I moved to Memphis almost 2 years ago, but I'm about to get out
>my Yellow Pages.
>
>Note that in all of this, I have not complained about the PRICE of anything.

And I  write:

Bravo!   I have had precisely the same concerns about DEC and the corporate
beaurocracies that that I have seen creep into the organization over the years.
Although we have not had problems with our local sales and  service people
(They always want to seem to help, but they seem hampered by a lack of support
from above), I have seen what amounts to a lack of committment to Total Quality
Management within DEC management.

Motif is a required component for numerous DEC products; Fine.  Motif is
a royalty product; Fine - We'll pay.  What I find frustrating is a beaurocratic
set of procedures different for each DEC platform I want to run Motif or
Motif based applications on. (Each workstation (old pre-motif or new
Motif included ones), each OS (VMS or Ultrix), each system type (Server,
timesharing, workstation), each architecture (VAX, MIPS, and now Alpha)
seems to spawn different licensing and update business practices.  The
worst of this is that impression we get is that the responsibility lies
on us the customer fend our way though this morass of confusion.

Finally, although in this specific case the problem is Motif, the illness
extends beyond Motif into the very corporate fabric of DEC.

- Andrew Potter

Andrew W. Potter                             Internet: awpsys@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Associate Director                                Bitnet:   awpsys@ritvax.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:36:34 -0400
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Addendum A on line
X-To:         dectei-l@ubvm.BITNET, jack.schweber@nyo.mts.dec.com

WHo is the right person to contact to get a copy of our adendum A on line?
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:59:40 EDT
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      An FAQ to help people?

Rereading some of the discussions that have recently occurred on this list, I
think it is quite clear that there are many questions asked on this list are
very frequently asked by many people more than once. Things like the DECwindows
Motif issue will probably be asked again. It just occurred to me that
perhaps we can do something like what many USENET news group and mailing lists
do - FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).

Perhaps the list owner or someone from the TEI group can maintain a FAQ and post
it once every month or store it somewhere where people can get.

A good idea? No?

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
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Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:48:37 -0500
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From:         "Andrean Matter - Matter@Mayo.Edu (507) 284-0814"
              <matter@MAYO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: U.S. TEI Desktop Price List - August 24, 1992 1
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              <DECTEI-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

Please send me a copy of the list of non-profit heath care facilities that
qualify for inclusion in the ESL/CSLG (TEI) programs.  It was stated this was
included under a seperate cover, but I did not receive any such document.
Thanks for your help!

Please send to:

Andrean Matter

Matter@Mayo.Edu

TEI Administrator
Mayo Foundation for Education And Research
200 First Street SW
Rochester, MN 55905
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From:         ltesta@FSOA.ENET.DEC.COM
Subject:      ESL SUPPORT FOR DECWINDOWS MOTIF CLARIFICATION
X-To:         dectei-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I am responding to the questions that have risen with regard to support
(telephone and Right-to-new-version) for DECwindows Motif.


The way SSS (Software Support Service) is designed for VMS (UPI 001), support
for DECwindows MOTIF is included as it is one of the kernel software products
(kernel products include VMS, DECnet, DECwindows Motif, VAXcluster and
Workstation).  Therefore, the new ESL will include support for DECwindows
Motif - this support will include telephone support and RTNV through the
designated CSC contacts.

Updates are always purchased separately - if Motif is not on the CONDIST, then
you will have to purchase MDDS.

However, the way DECwindows Motif is supported does not effect how it is
licensed.

If you need further clarification, please let me know.

Regards,

Linda Testa
ESL Program Manager
Digital Equipment Corporation
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From: gah@hood.hood.caltech.edu (Glen Herrmannsfeldt)
Subject: 3c507 addressing
Summary: how to configure buffer at e0000?
Keywords: 3c507 memory
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:42:31 GMT

Is it possible to configure a 3c507 with its buffer at
e0000?

I would like a three way pcroute with 3c507's with 64k buffers.

This requires them to be at c0000, d0000, e0000.

The configure program will not do this, but is it possible
to get around the configure program?

Can one write their own configure program to do more things
than the existing one?

It would be nice to be able to configure with more than one
board in the machine at a time.

Thanks in advance.

-- glen  gah@hood.hood.caltech.edu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:36:00 N
From:         CONRAD@IUAVCD.UNIVE.IT
Subject:      Etherlink16 now runs, thanks from Venezia.

Thanks to all people who helped me:

 Aengus Lawlor,
 Stephen Stone,
 Bob Hutchinson,
 Bob Baggerman,
 Andy Seal
 and Brian

 (This list is wonderful!),  at this point I know a lot about NDIS, Etherlink
 and Lan Manager.

Now my Etherlink 16 runs with NDIS and CU/TCP.
This is the protocol.ini:

====================================================

[PROTOCOL MANAGER]
  DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[PKTDRV]
  drivername = PKTDRV$
  BINDINGS = "exp16_nif"
  intvec = 0x60
  chainvec = 0x66

[EXP16_NIF]
  DRIVERNAME = ELNK16$

=====================================================
and this is the config.sys:

device=c:\dos\ansi.sys
COUNTRY=039,437,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS
files=30
STACKS=9,256

device = c:\ndis\protman.exe /i:c:\ndis
device = c:\ndis\elnk16.dos
device = c:\ndis\dis_pkt.dos
================================================================

and more thanks.

Corrado

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From: taihou@chromium.iss.nus.sg (Tng Tai Hou)
Subject: 3+share and 3+open
Originator: taihou@chromium
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:24:21 GMT

Help!!!

I have a number of 3Com servers and Macs running 3+share dated 1987.
This 3+share (3+file, 3+print etc) for the Mac doesn't run under
System 7. I need to know if:

1.  3+Open stuff for Mac runs under System 7
2.  If 3+Open for Mac does run under System 7, can I run it to access
    my existing 3+share servers (Not running 3+Open server software).
3.  Any other solutions?

Thanks in advance.

Tai Hou
Singapore
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 07:54:49 EDT
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.3com-l
Subject: Re: Help about Etherlink16 and NDIS....

In article <3COM-L%92082515452800@NUSVM.NUS.SG>, conrad@iuavcd.unive.it says:
>Can anybody help us to run correctly  a 3com Etherlink 16  with LAN MANAGER
>and CU/TCP from the Clarkson University?
>
>We want to install both LAN MANAGER and CU/TCP in the same PC, but we can't
>because of a number of errors and crashes of the DOS.
I use CUTCP with PathWorks (which is NDIS based and used the MS Redirector,
so is functionally very similiar to LanMan) regularly in machines with
EtherLinkIIs (3C503s) regularly, without any problems.

When setting up a PathWorks for OS/2 server (ie LanManager over DECnet),
I decided to use a 3C507 (EtherLink 16) but it crashed with NDIS messages
a couple of times, so I used a 3C503 instead. As it became a production
server before I got a chance to look into it, I never did find out what the
problem with the 3C507 is, and it's still running fine with the 3C503.

If anyone has any information about the NDIS driver for the 3C507, I'd
appreciate it for the next time I set up a server.
>
>Thanks if you can help us.
>                                  Corrado Petrucco
>
>P.P.S
>What's dis_pkt.gup??
It's the version of dis_pkt.dos provided with PC/TCP by FTP Software.
dis_pkt.dos is an NDIS application that provides a packet driver front
end for applications that are written to use Packet Drivers. We currently
use dis_pkt9.dos (look on netlab.usu.edu), which is a bit more up to date,
(it works with gopher!)

Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:52:49 SST
From:         "L. Chandra" <CCECL@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Help about Etherlink16 and NDIS....
X-To:         DiBella <joe@EMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL>,
              3Com Discussion List <3COM-L@NUSVM.BITNET>

>everthing seems to load O.K. until I get to a point where I'm loading MS-DOS
>Lan Man NETBIND v1.1 --> then, it fails gives an error message:
>  PRO0033E No Network driver binding was performed.
>  Network card not found.

I can't find anything wrong with your PROTOCOL.INI (I trust this is in the
C:\LAN\LANMAN\DRIVERS directory).  I would suggest that you move the statement
pktint in the AUTOEXEC.BAT after the NETBIND statement.  From experince,
running any application before NETBIND always causes trouble.  I was told
PROTMAN.DOS use some memory without allocating them and NETBIND is supposed
to make use these instead of reading PROTOCOL.INI directly.

>Then, I copied over the latest NETBIND v.20 from the installation disks.  This
>time everything seems O.K. until it gets to the NETBIND command line and it
>gives and error message stating that PROTMAN.EXE is not found.  My question is
>whether this has something to do with NETBIND v2.0 or what?

NETBIND v2.0 requires PROTMAN.EXE (typically in \LANMAN\DRIVERS) to be in
the search path.

-CL
From: guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.games-l
Subject: Darkseed
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:09:43 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College


Is Darkseed out for sale, anyone?
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:29:40 -0400
Reply-To:     wahern%rcnvms.dnet@DECGW.RCN.MASS.EDU
From:         wahern%rcnvms.dnet@DECGW.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Same old stuff

Ah... yes another wonderful year on the games-list.  Just gave myself a
refresher course on how to use the editor and the mail facility.  he he.
Anyway.
I just unarchived a bunch of games from some old backup disks and redicovered
the game Life & Death.  I hopes of performing a few more appendectimies (sp?)
I sarted the game up only to discover that text file of beeper codes that I
created was gone.  So now I am stuck with out the codes and cannot opperate.
I basically have none of the written materials.  (All vanished into the great
unknown i guess,  either that or my desk ate them).  So any information
(especially the beeper codes) that you could send me will be greatly appreciated
                                           BlAh
Wahern@rcn.vms.edu
or something like that. (something else I need a refresher course on.)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:58:18 +0300
Reply-To:     "sagi s." <s2902204@TECHST02.TECHNION.AC.IL>
From:         "sagi s." <s2902204@TECHST02.TECHNION.AC.IL>
Subject:      help!!
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since i got no response last time, here i go again-

i REALLY need help with Magic pocket(s?) from renegade (pc-ver) -
i'm stuck at the very end *sigh*, so if someone has finished this game-
please mail me  :-D
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