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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:04:15 GMT

In article <1js5r1INNdko@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>One volcano spews more than we ever will?
>
>I didn't know volcanoes were radioactive.

Some flows are hot <radioactive> tho usually deep oceanic.

>I didn't know volcanoes poisoned ground water.

Believe it, though ash byproduct is often a good fertillizer.

>I didn't know volcanoes could cause generational birth defects.

They kill outright locally and affect global environment for decades.
I don't believe any long term studies have been done on survivors of
vulcanism, but if the Pacific chain is any indication I would say that
they don't cause birth defects.

>I didn't know volcanoes gave off rare, unnatural toxic gases.

"Rare"?  If you mean "lethal", yes eruptions do release nasty natural gas.

>I didn't know volcanoes killed our ozone with chloroflourocarbons and
>	other various chemicals still in use by large corporations.
>
>The Rockwell/Nuclear Arms Plant is only the beginning.  Anyone would
>be foolish to think that Rockwell is the only company doing this, the
>only ones who are using profits as an excuse to sign peoples' death
>warrants who live a hundred miles away.

A pessimistic/cynical view.  Unfortunately in certain instances you
hit the nail on the head (i.e. Rayovac? in India).  I don't personally
feel that the majority of companies operate this way (see below).

>
>With Volcanoes, at least you know it's coming.  With the corporations,
>if they're okay, you don't know until well after the damage is done.
>With the GOOD corporations, YOU NEVER KNOW.
>
>Leftist?  Do _YOU_ want to live next to that Rockwell plant?  I sure

I'd rather live by Mount St. Helens, much prettier...

>as hell don't.  Profits?  You're worried about JOBS?  I suppose.  To
>each his own, but that is NOT the way I had thought groups like Zero
>Population Growth would have wanted to see things "balanced".  This
>isn't some silly political game, damnit, these are peoples lives and
>peoples right to those lives being infringed and trampled upon by a
>corporation whose prime concern is money.
>
>I sure as hell don't want them dumping toxic chemicals in my backyard,
>do you?  It's not political.  When it happens to other people, perhaps

Umm, do the people who work in these hypothetical corporations, fly in
from another county?  Do you really believe that controlling interests
in these corporations would dump shit in their "backyard" as you put it?

Illegal dumping further afield, usually winds up costing companies BIG
bucks.  The precedence is there, and most company heads aren't stupid
enough to go down the same route.  PLUS most of em' have kids and grand-
kids.  Contrary to popular belief, they don't worship the profit margin
over their families.  And give them some credit for empathy with other
people's families.

I'm trying not to flame, but you are using a broad brush to sterotype
corporation execs as devils in disguise...


Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:42:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:

>: Would you poeple PLEASE stop  acting like you can stuff a Quadra
>: and mega-486 into your Amigas, willy nilly! 

>What? Fitting an AMAX-II in the A4000 gives me the speed of a Quadra
>700, and fitting a GoldenGate 486SLC in my Amiga gives me the speed
>of a 486SX. Good enough for me.

oh... no... you don't understand...

Other computer users aren't like us... they will need an 040 or
a 486DX/66 to play games... a 486SLC simply wont cut it... ;)

Oh, and let's not forget about Windoze... 
  
:) :) :)

>And still there's only one computer on my desk...

(I put my A2500 sideways... my desk is small. :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: cs_e445@king.ac.uk (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Major Problem:
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:48:19 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
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Douglas Taylor (dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:
:  Howdy - I have a question that I amsure many of you sentient citizens,
: 	(this excludes the IBMs... then again, they just aren't sentient)
: 	will be able to answer...

:  Just today - when I started booting up my computer, I repeatedly received an
: 	error message stating "unable to create commodities object"; I am sure
: 	this is my fault, although I haven't added any programs or commodities
: 	lately... could someone at leat tell me what that means?  If it were 
: 	a Mac, or an IBM, I could understand - they are kludged up enough that
: 	ANY error causes them to die, but on an Amiga, for me, this is rare... 

Im not really sure, but all I can suggest is remove all your commodities and
replace them one at a time. Maybe one is corrupted.
Also it might be wiser to post this to comp.sys.amiga.misc or 
comp.sys.amiga.programmer, instead of this group whose sole intention is to
say why amigas are the best since tinned tuna fish. :-)

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
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From: jpthrow@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES PATRICK THROWER)
Subject: CDTV mentioned in TV Guide
Originator: jpthrow@chow2.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jpthrow@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES PATRICK THROWER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:57:08 GMT


Yes, I have nothing better to do then read TV Guide.

In the issue for Jan 23 - Jan 29 (where Will Smith or "The Fresh Prince"
is on the cover), the future TV's are discussed.
Right along with CD-I and sega's CDROM, Commodore's CDTV was
mentioned.

I think it's great that it wasn't omitted or overlooked.

JP
jpthrow@eos.ncsu.edu
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:03:47 EST
Distribution: world, public
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan22.021104.8942@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> In article <C17rn7.K2L@newcastle.ac.uk> D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher) writes:
>>
>>(Note: The following prices are in Pounds Sterling)
>>
>>A friend of mine (A PC fan) and I worked out the price of a 486 machine that was
>>close in ability and functionality to a A4000.
>>The Prices used, (Dirt Cheap Whole sale) were about 600 less than the price of
>>a magazine add for the A4000.
> 
>>This I am sad to say (As an Amiga fan) does not put the A4000 on an equal
>>footing with thew 486, The machine we put together was generally better on most
>>counts.
> 
> 	Did the 486 have 32 bit EISA slots or 16 bit ISA slots? 
> 
> 	Did the 486 have SCSI, allowing it to accessing 8 devices
> including CDROMS, hard disks, flopticals, high density floppies, tape
> backups, etc, or was it an IDE that supports only 2 hard disks? The A4000
> will probably ship with SCSI as an option.
> 
> 	Does the 486 have IBM compatible emulators available for it?
> 
> 	Was the last line just a joke?
> 
> 	Does that IBM output to NTSC and PAL? Does it support sprites,
> double buffering, multiple playfields, 30 frame per second full screen
> animations, 262,144 colors onscreen? 
> 
> 	Stereo audio channels and not just FM bands, that sample up to 44KHz?
> 
> 	Does it support all bit plane modes in all resolutions?
> 
> 
> 	I could go on and on...but of course stopped because I ran out
> of reasons!

	In addition, I've noticed a disconcerting trend toward low
	quality.  Many of those *cheap* clones have flimsy cases, junk
	keyboards, and are of generally questionable quality.  Some of
	the people I know that have bught new 486s have had to send
	them back more thatn once for various quality problems.

	You pay a little more for an Amiga but on the whole, the machine 
	seems to be of better quality materials.
> 
> 
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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:02:54 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1j1pe4INN3u9@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>(Mike Haas) writes:
>'>Gee, Greg... can you come up with any substantial numbers that actually
>'>PROVE your 486 is faster than an Amiga 500?
>
>	Nope.  I simply have owned both and found the 486 is faster ( not
>   suprising really ).  No matter what GUI I was running on my 486 ( OS2,
>   Win3.x, Geoworks ), it always was faster, more responsive then my A500
>   running WB.  Does this really suprise you?  
>
>							Greg Greene
>                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


No.  What surprises me is that anyone could think otherwise.  Or believe
that anyone ELSE could think otherwise.
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:39:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan28.211909.13910@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: Contain it, and bury it, and you don't have to worry about it.

Do me a favor, and tell me you're not really dumb enough to believe
that.  I suppose you think that burying toxic chemicals is a really good
idea?

Of course, you'll say "but they won't hurt PEOPLE if they're buried under
the desert".  Of course they won't, people don't live in the desert.
However, hurting ANY life by the burial of these radioactive/toxic
chemicals is wrong.  In reality, companies skimp, barrels leak, and
living things die as a result.

Greg

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Global Warming?
Followup-To: misc.test
Summary: I advise you to not follow up to this article! : )
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:59:00 GMT

	RE: Earth's temp raising by .5 degrees...I meanto say in the past
100 years not in the past year.

	WARNING: DO NOT FOLLOW UP TO THIS ARTICLE OR YOU WILL REGRET IT! :)

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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:35:44 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan24.221405.13555@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> In article <1993Jan24.114650.6763@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> <my grumbling about Clone keyboards deleted>
> 
>>	Speaking of keyboards, some clones I've used have the absolutely
>>	worst piece of shit keyboards.  Fortunatly, the Amiga keyboards are
>>	pretty nice.  What is a decent quality keyboard for a clone?
> 
> Alot of people really like the Gateway keyboards, but they seem to be the
> size of an aircraft carrier deck.  I use Magitronic keyboards at work, and
> we often refer to them as "Maggot-Ronics"...  :-)
> 
> They have a nice feel to them, but I really don't like the "clickety-clack"
> noise that they make when the keys are pressed.  Apparently Clone users need
> this sort of tactile feedback so that they can feel as if they are really
> doing some sort of work.  :-)

	The keyboard I use at work is irritating to say the least.  The
	keys have a spongy feel that gets your fingers tired.  The keys all
	seem grouped wrong, such that your're always hitting the wrong one.
	I will try to be more specific if this thread continues.

> 
> My biggest gripe with nearly all Clone keyboards, which I've stated before,
> is the position of the [Ctrl] key.  I often hit the [Caps Lock] key instead
> and usually mutter a silent (sometimes not so silent) curse.  Also, the 
> position of the [Ctrl] key is such that I have to unnaturally twist and/or
> move my hand to hit it.  

	What about the [ALT] key?  That seems to get in the way often?
>
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From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:56:25 GMT

In article <C1BHL7.8E7@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
|> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> 
|> ><bows>
|> 
|> >Ahh, the admiration, the admiration... woo woo.
|> 
|> >And while I'm at it, just what kind of characters does AmigaDOS *not* allow in
|> >file and directory names?  Hmm.  Is there a way to get around to having spaces
|> >in file and directory names? <insert rest of sentence here>
|> 
|> No offense, Dan.  Have you actually used an Amiga before??
|> 
|> In order to read a text file, say the name is "Dan Stephenson,"
|> 
|> You just type:   more "Dan Stephenson"

NO! NO! Not MORE Dan Stephenson! :)

|> 
|> Haven't you tried that on an Amiga yet??
|> 
|> >Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
|> 
|> yours Sincerely,
|> Kelvin
|> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
|> 

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:03:15 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmger!peterk@cbmvax.commodore.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: 
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan27.020209.10879@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
 >Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
 >
 >: Gee, that's GREAT!  Maybe YOU'd like to have nuclear waste dumped in YOUR back
 >: yard, so all us misguided morons can be freed from our cancer and radiation-
 >: sickness paranoias.
 >
 >Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
 >remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
 >that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
 >on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
 >last 10-20 years....

Oh, that's much! I remember during the Tchernobyl desaster, where the
contamination of Europe was mainly due to Cs (Caesium, sp?), they showed
that it really was only a few grams of this material (less than a tea
spoon full, they showed it on TV with some powder) that had escaped from
that reactor and was enough to pollute whole Europe! There *is* some power 
in such stuff...

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Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:03:25 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan21.014512.12013@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>: Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
>: : (goddamn Arkansas hick, activist wife, eco-freak veep, censorship bitch veep's
>: : wife, a first kid who looks like my dog, AND A CAT AS FIRST PET! what's the
>: : world coming to?)
>
>
>I don't think you understand the full extent of Gore's eco-freakishness...
>He wants to ban/get rid of all internal combustion engines... i.e. no more 
>cars...  

No, not quite right.  Try no more gas powered cars.  There are always 
Electric/Solar/Hydrogen powered vehicles that could be put into production
if the car companies wanted to.

>: Greg
>
>: --
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>: (:  mean it's not sharp, elegant, and functional."    -Ian Kennedy    :)
>: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Wubba :)
>
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:21:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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How much does it cost, you ask?

For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.

Not the ultimate answer, but it beats the hell out of killing our
atmosphere with the crap most cars put out.  I'd take electric over it
any day.

Greg

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From: c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de (Christop Feck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga OS weaknesses
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:19:03 GMT
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany

In <1jp172INNbdu@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@king.ac.uk (Vlod Kalicun) wrote:
>If I remember corectly a WB replacement called Jazzbench was multi-threaded.
>It was a bit buggy tho.! ;-)
>Any news when Jazzbench 2 ? will be out? Lets hope its WB2 drop in and
>not 1.3.
>
>Regards..
>
>Vlod

First the good news:

I've written a replacement for Workbench 2.0 (workbench.library and icon.library).
Once I noticed, that just after SetPatch these two libraries were not open, I
thought that it should possible, to force loading these libraries from disk.

Place MagicWB (thats the name, thanks to Stefan Stuntz for the idea :-) just
behind SetPatch. The standard LoadWB command (>= 2.04, of course) will then open
the 'wrong' library and initialize my MagicWB!

Now the bad news:

CURRENTLY the 'workbench' is a simple gadtools based UI, with all AppIcons,
AppWindows, AppMenus, all drawer and disk windows and all icons simply listed
in ListViews. You can only view one icon window. It looks something like a
directory utility with additional App* lists.

Since I have this basic kernal which makes it possible to start a complete re-
write, there are two options:

1. I release this kernel to the freeware pool.
2. I complete it myself.

Since I prefer option 2 (Hey! I also want to program something :-), I would
appreciate, if EVERYBODY sends me a complete description/feature list of the
Workbench she/he wants to see.

*PERHAPS*, I will have the time to complete it. If not, I will choose option 1
sometimes. PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR IT NOW!!!
--
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From: gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
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Date: 22 Jan 93 19:18:30 MET
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In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
> : >
> : >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
> : >
> : >Does it matter, Skip?
> :
> : Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
> : Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
> : only ones that do things backwards.
> :
>
> Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
> and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

It appears those DOS blockheads got it right to clone the "cd .." but screwed
up the "/", making it a "\" in their ignorance. By the way, they forgot to
put a hierarchical filesystem into DOS in the very first release.
By the way: can you "cd" into any directory by simply typing its name? Can
your computer "remeber" direcories an switch back and forth between them?
No, no! Do not excuse the MS-DOS "Shell": it's Simply BS.


> :
> : Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
> :
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Regards,

	Michael
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