HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:34:52 GMT
Reply-To: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: skids.eng.sun.com

In article 25163@gdr.bath.ac.uk, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>In the referenced article, steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
>>a trained pigeon is not too bad.   Trained pigeons do not have a lot of
>>variation in their behavior.    However, from what I know of fascists,
>>I have not seen Bush exhibit the actions that would make him analogous
>>to Musollini.  
>>
>I guess that means that you've got to "exhibit the actions" of the pope
>to be a Catholic -- pretty flawed logic.

Besides, the Catholics would never have me!

---
" Acendo o cigarro para adiar a viagem,
 Para adiar todas as viagens,
 Para adiar o universo inteiro.
 Volta amanha, realidade! "
--Alvaro de Campos "Ode Maritima"  Alan Pope <alan.pope@Sun.COM>
From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Favorite part of los angeles
Followup-To: alt.california
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:33:33 GMT
Organization: California, Here I Come, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Nov20.032048.8744@reed.edu> pbray@sloth.Reed.Edu (Peter Bray) writes:
>
>where is your favorite place in L.A.?

The La Brea Tar Pits.  It was the first "attraction" I went to after
moving here.  I had read about them as a child, and always wanted to
see a sabre-toothed tiger fossil.  They exceeded every expectation I
had.  I didn't know some of the pits had water in them, with
gas bubbles coming up to the surface!  Tar seeping up through the
ground in the surrounding parkland!  Bubbling tar, big
plaster enclosed blocks excavated from pits laying in the museum,
waiting to be dissected.  All right in the middle of a sprawling metropolis.
-- 
William A. Emanuelsen    I degaussed my girlfriend and I'm
wae@aerospace.aero.org      just not attracted to her anymore.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: cjones@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Favorite Places in L.A.
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 NOV 92 18:05:22 GMT

Although I live more south, Newport Beach, to be exact...my favorite place to
go in LA would have to be the train yard.  Now I know that this sounds awful
strange, but when I was a kid, my parents would always drive us up to the train
yard at Christmas time.  It soon became a family tradition.  We would drive for
an hour, come to the yard and go from train to train looking at all the fresh
cut trees.  I will never forget the wonderful smell of fresh cut christmas
trees.  The wonderful thing about it was the fact that some of the trees still
had a bit of snow on them.  We would pick out our favorite, pile it onto the
top of the car, and drive home to the beach.  It was such a wonderful tradition.   Present time though, I also adore Westwood.  I think that a movie and dinner
at Jonny Rockets is the thing to do.  Or drive that lond strip called Sunset andcatch a band at the Wiskey or The Palace.  There are really so many wonderful
things about LA, a
things about LA, that it is real hard to pick just one thing!  I just miss the
whole city.

                                     Ciji Jones
                                     Clark University, MA
                                     (Homesick college student :( !)
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: Favorite part of los angeles
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:28:02 GMT

>[ These are my opinions and do not reflect the opinions of my employer. ]

So your employer prefers Tommy's?

w.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Term Limits, NOT (was Re: relocation)
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:37:43 GMT

I too voted againt term limits cause  it takes time for a new sentor
(ie Diane and Barbara ) to get  more "power" than 2 years, althought
they still could run via write in campains
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:41:43 GMT

In article <19921116151229CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.170515.8890@walter.cray.com>,
>Ken.J.Taylor@cray.com (Ken J.  Taylor - Huntington Beach) writes:
>
>>I was a member of Holiday Spa, Bally, for three years.  I did not renew
>>the membership this year (although at $96, very cheap) because:
>>
>>        1. The facilities were unsanitary (I have seen people urinating
>>        in showers, spitting into pools, hot baths and onto carpeted
>>        exercise areas.  Sweaty exercise machies were not cleaned.)
>>
>>        2. Other clients were rude (hogging circuit training stations,
>>        becoming beligerent when asked let others take their turns on
>>        stations, ignoring request to stop urinating in showers)
>>
>>        3. Service nonexistant and rude (complaining to the staff about
>>        unsanitary conditions and wasted waiting time caused by station
>>        hogs were met with "nothing we can do" or "you should have done
>>        this, you should have done that (and not we could have done
>>        this)" or "we don't want your kind as a member")
>>
>>        4. Overcrowded facilities.
>>
>>In summary, at Bally facilities, quality of service is secondary to
>>offering memberships dues that are cheaper than the competition's.
>>Money would be better spent investing in your own health equipment.
>>You probably can avoid some of the above problems by joining more
>>expensive quality-oriented clubs but not the inconvenience of sharing
>>equipment and of not getting your money's worth when you cannot use the
>>facility (sick, vacation, business travel, busy.)
>
>This is strange since I haven't had these problems at my gym (Holiday
>Spa, Bally - in Canoga Park). I think one of the reasons I haven't
>had such problems is because there are several other gyms within
>six miles of the one I go to and they can't get away with it (two
>of which are also Holiday Spa's, two are Nautilus Plus, now owned
>by Bally, and a World's Gym, and three other large facilities). This
>Holiday has been very good about rude clients (to the point of calling
>the police to have them bodily removed and canceling their memberships).
>
>I think alot has to do with the local management.
>
>           --Ed

I have to agree. I belong to the same club and I like it a lot. However,
I did not care for thee West LA club on Bundy primarily because it took
so *long* to find parking.  But the Canoga Park club I really enjoy.

David 


Newsgroups: alt.california
From: mjsanger@IASTATE.EDU (Michael J Sanger)
Subject: Re: CSU - CAL POLY, SAN LUIS OBISPO
Reply-To: mjsanger@IASTATE.EDU (Michael J Sanger)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.182629.21371@den.mmc.com>, rea@den.mmc.com (Vince Rea)
writes:
> 
> 
> I have been told California state university -
> Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo is one of the best
> Schools in the country to receive a BS in
> mechanical engineering. Is there any truth to
> this statement. Does anyone have an opinion
> good/bad on this school.
> 
> thanks
> v.r.

Although I'm now a grad student in Iowa (I'm almost *ashamed* to admit that!)
when I was looking at undergrad schools in California, I was told that Cal Poly
SLO is one of the best engineering school in the nation.  (Not just Mech Eng).

						Michael J. Sanger
						Still in CA in my heart!
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:51:10 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Don Steiny writes:
mike>reconcile these 2 paragraphs.  On the one hand, you say categories
mike>are useful to organize & communicate &c. I heartily agree; if I didn't
> ^^^ [note]

>	You misread what I wrote.  I said "can be."  In this case they

You're just splitting hairs.  We know you find them useful --
you used them.

>useful.  A previous article had put great weight in the importance 
>of placing people and events on a "poltical spectrum."  It used as
>an argument that political spectrums were important because they were 

Then all this discussion, & heavy-weyt philosophical firepower
brot to bear on it, is nothing more than "Yes it is -- No it ain't".
You admit yourself that categories "can be" useful & you're quite
willing to use them yourself -- "trained pigeons" -- but you
don't seem to like it too much when someone else uses them,
who happens to oppose your political views.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Favorite part of los angeles
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:09:24 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <24054@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:
>In article <92325.144055JA6769A@auvm.american.edu> JA6769A@auvm.american.edu  
>(Juan T. Avecilla) writes:
>> My favorite place in the LA area which I miss has got to be any In and Out
>> Hamburger drive thru! I don't know about you, but here in DC, nothing comes
>> close to their double-double with grilled onions.
>
>Oh yes, I must whole heartedly agree with you.  I love In and Out.  I live
>in the Bay Area and go to school in So. Cal., but there is nothing like
>In and Out in the Bay area. :(

Naw, In 'n Out just doesn't cut it.  If you want a REAL burger, go to the
Tommy's at Beverly and Rampart.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: tjf2b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Timothy Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Northern California
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:01:32 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

mason@lclark.edu  writes:
> Not that I mind, but I am kind of tired of reading about LA. 
> Let's discuss our favorite northern California spots.

Here, here!

MY favorite Northern California spot is The Sea Ranch, a
resort community in Sonoma County just south of Gualala
on the Mendicino border.

Lovely place -- a delicate balance of beach (the Northern
California kind), meadow and redwood forest. A perfect
microcosm of N. California, right down to the Eddie Bauer
Golden Retriever in the Volvo station wagon parked 
outside each wood-shingled house.

What I wouldn't give to be there now . . . .

> Paul.
> 	"another displaced Californian"

Tim.
	"ditto" (sigh.)
--
					    Timothy Fox |
			tjf2b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU |
				     tjf2b@Virginia.EDU |
							|
From: largeman@aol.com (Beefta LargeMan)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:10:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.california
Organization: HeadGuy Software


> 
> check out a Thomas Guide (there should be one of the Bay Area)
> these guides are great. 

They are great if you want to spend $13-$15.

The cheapies cost a Buck or two, and are more available.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:09:10 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.115307.1651@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>>>	I do not believe you.  Please tell me where I can find one so I
>>>can see a political spectrum. 
>>>
>>
>>Take an introduction to political science class.
>
>Then take the advanced course and you'll learn that the "political spectrum"
>they talked about in the intro course doesn't exist.  If you don't want to take
>a course, read _The_American_Voter_ by Converse, et. al. in lieu of the intro
>course, and _The_New_American_Voter_ to see why Converse's analysis was flawed.

Sure every analysis is flawed.  Nonetheless, the polictical spectrum
does apply and is widely used.  Usually people that try to deny
that there is a polictical spectrum are right or left wing extremists
but don't want to admit it.  Nonetheless, if you examine their
statements, you can see where they lie.  Of course this is alway in
general terms.  I could make an argument that Reagen was a socialist
because he increased government spending.  There's no absolutes
in politics, but that doesn't mean that you can't draw general principles.

>
>>Yeah well Marx has pretty much been proven to be out of touch
>>with reality these days what with the east-bloc in a gross economic
>>state as a result of pursuing marxism.
>
>Perhaps while you're taking the advanced poli sci course, you could manage to
>squeeze in a history course as sell.  Marx was NOT a marxist.

Oh right, and Freud wasn't a Freudian, and Stalin wasn't a Stalinist.

I assume what you mean is that the policies pursued by modern-day
Marxists don't follow very closely the writings of Marx.  I agree with
you.  I would say though that the reason that modern so-called Marxists
don't follow Marx is that his "dictatorship of the proletariat" is
impossible to acheive in a world full of self-interested people.  Thus
they tried to force it on people through totalitarian rule.  As history
proves, that doesn't work either.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Term Limits, NOT (was Re: relocation)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:11:44 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <27561@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>#>>I too voted againt term limits cause  it takes time for a new sentor
>#>>(ie Diane and Barbara ) to get  more "power" than 2 years, althought
>
>#>It might come as a surprise to you that Sentors serve six-year terms.
>
>The Nov 1994 ballot is going to come as a surprise to *you*, Carl.

Oh?  The person to whom I responded appeared to be under the impression that
both Feinstein and Boxer were serving two-year terms.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Favorite part of los angeles
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:09:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1ek994INNpks@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <24054@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:
>>In article <92325.144055JA6769A@auvm.american.edu> JA6769A@auvm.american.edu  
>>(Juan T. Avecilla) writes:
>>> My favorite place in the LA area which I miss has got to be any In and Out
>>> Hamburger drive thru! I don't know about you, but here in DC, nothing comes
>>> close to their double-double with grilled onions.
>>
>>Oh yes, I must whole heartedly agree with you.  I love In and Out.  I live
>>in the Bay Area and go to school in So. Cal., but there is nothing like
>>In and Out in the Bay area. :(
>
>Naw, In 'n Out just doesn't cut it.  If you want a REAL burger, go to the

Geez! In a city that has Cassel's and Jody Maroni's, In 'N Out and
Tommy's are the best we can do?

BTW, it's kinda hard to identify one's favorite place in LA-- because LA
changes so much! Personally, I like Beverly Blvd between La Brea and
Fairfax, downtown around Union Station, Phillipe's and Chinatown and
Studio City along Ventura Blvd. I guess if I had to choose ONE place,
it would be any Trader Joe's.



-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"Gourmandism seeks out all the courtesies and all the refinements. It is
the only passion that does not leave behind any remorse, sorrow or
suffering."				-Lucien Tendret
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Tommy's
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:54:29 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov22.211321.6743@cheshire.oxy.edu>, ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
>
>  There is a Tommy's in Eagle Rock. Always been a popular place for the
>local high school and college students, but as for myself I cannot
>stomach the stuff.  One of my friends told me it's good for late nights
>studying because after you eat a chili burger, you can't sleep.  It's
>just sitting there in your belly.
>  Oh well, we all choose our own poisons.
>                                              --ac

StM says: Hi Deadrunner!

I'll admit  that "near Tommy's" (the one in Eagle Rock) is good.  But for a
REALLY good burger, you really gotta go to "Far Tommy's" (Beverly & Rampart).
I'll bring you a pizza next Thursday as a peace offering (how do I get back to
Tech?).
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:32:09 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, cs67+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher M Stanley) writes:

>I would like to add some comments about the auto and steel industries.
>
>The auto and steel industries shot themselves in the foot - in a big
>way.  Both industries became big lumbering giants.  They thought no one
>could touch them.  They also felt they had the right to tell their
>customers "what they were going to by".

Sorry, but how did the US steel industry tell people what they wanted
to buy?  


>using American methods and know how, asked people what they would buy
>then produced it.  And lo and behold people actually prefer this kind of
>treatment to someone ramming a product down their throats and saying BUY
>THIS!!!  Seems to me the Auto and steel industries killed themselves. 
>It's called not keeping up with technology (aka sticking your head in
>the mud). 


I disagree.  I think that Japanese cars are overated.  They are
reliable, but mostly unsafe, they rust badley, are too small and
cramped, and most of them are poor on performance.

>
>What is this crap about defeating the Soviet Union? I don't remember WE
>having anything to do with it.   Was this not your quote?,   "I strongly
>abhor the dehumanization of any group of people due to their race,
>religion, political or sexual preferences."  If this is true why would
>you want to "defeat" the Soviet Union?

Lots of hot heads around here.  I don't like totalitarian states,
and the Soviet Union was totalitarian.  Therfore, I'm glad that
it fell.  I do think that they weren't as big of a threat
to the US people as was being made out at the time.


>keep the status quo. Who can we get to be the bad guys now?  Sadam is
>still around?  Hmmm, mabe if we sneak him some more arms....
>

It might just improve the economy eh?
From: grjost@uts.amdahl.com (Garrett Jost)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Favorite part of los angeles
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:40:33 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

>In article <24054@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:
>>In article <92325.144055JA6769A@auvm.american.edu> JA6769A@auvm.american.edu  
>>(Juan T. Avecilla) writes:
>>> My favorite place in the LA area which I miss has got to be any In and Out
>>> Hamburger drive thru! I don't know about you, but here in DC, nothing comes
>>> close to their double-double with grilled onions.
>>
>>Oh yes, I must whole heartedly agree with you.  I love In and Out.  I live
>>in the Bay Area and go to school in So. Cal., but there is nothing like
>>In and Out in the Bay area. :(

>Naw, In 'n Out just doesn't cut it.  If you want a REAL burger, go to the
>Tommy's at Beverly and Rampart.

Oh no!  Not another In 'n Out vs. Tommy's debate!  Personally, I prefer
In 'n Out when I go down to L.A., but to each his own.

Garrett

[ These are my opinions and do not reflect the opinions of my employer. ]
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:54:25 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, ecpzp@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr V A Noronha) writes:

>
>I think you must have a brain clot.  No-one has suggested gassing the homosexuals or other suchlike 
>groups.

People have suggested that gays should not have equal rights under
the law.  Next you'll want them to wear arm bands.   

I strongly abhor the dehumanization of any group of people due to their race,
religion, polictical or sexual preferences.