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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS:  Opinions on Gutsu's new all-around chance
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:12:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.160307.17920@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok) writes:
>In article <f_qm!!+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>This sort of thing, [killing the 3 gymnasts/nation rule]
>>from what I understand, gets proposed all the time but
>>gets voted down by the smaller countries, who (rightly) feel that the only 
>>way that their gymnasts will have a chance to get into the finals would be
>>to limit the number of entries from the top countries.
>>
>>r.
>
>
>I am aware of why the rule has not yet been changed.  But I still feel that it
>should be.  What right do the smaller countries have to have gymnasts in the
>finals who are not on the level of the competitors from the strong gymnastic
>nations?  Do any other sports have such a rule? (track? diving? swimming?
>others?)  The gymnasts who get in this way are not even close to being in the
>running for anything, whereas many of the gymnasts who are eliminated by this
>rule would be.  If this is an _individual_ all-around final, the top 36
>(or any other number you choose to use) _individuals_ should be competing in
>it.
>
>--Robyn
>
I want to clarify my question about other sports having limits on the number
of finalists/country.  I am aware that most if not all sports have limits
on the number of athletes from each country that may compete in the olympics
(and other international competitions).  These limits do have a lot of the
same negative effects as the 3 finalists/country rule being discussed here.
What I am asking, though, is if other sports impose these limits a second
time, when it comes to picking the finalists out of that pool.  While I may
be convinced that every team has a right to send its n best athletes to the
olympics, it is harder to convince me that every team should also have a good
chance of getting athletes into the finals.  At that point I believe the best
atheletes who are there should qualify, regardless of country.

--Robyn
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From: andrewm@mpce.mq.edu.au (Andrew Myles)
Subject: RE: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.023211.17542@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:
|> Yesterday NBC mentioned that via boycotts, wars etc only Greece, Switzerland,
|> Great Britain and maybe 1-2 more were the only nations that participated in all
|> 25 Olympics.

Australia
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: SWIM: Result-M's 200m Freestyle Heats
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>SWIMMING - Men's 200m Freestyle Heats
>=====================================
> 
>HEAT 8:
>-------
>1	KASVIO, Antti Alexander		FIN	1:48.31		Qualified
>2	HUDEPOHL, Joseph		USA	1:48.52		Qualified
>3	WOJDAT, Artur			POL	1:48.60		Qualified
>4	GJERTSEN, Hudson		USA	1:48.65		Qualified
>5	PALMER, Paul			GBR	1:49.21

Paul Palmer's time was a British record (for the remote chance that anyone's 
interested :-)
   Dave Riches
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From: oliver@blefusco.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Meyer)
Subject: Selling tickets for the Olympic Games
Summary: I want to sell a about 28 tickets to the olypic games.
Keywords: volleyball athletics olympic games barcelona tickets sell
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:20:05 GMT

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        ===============
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: updated event times?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:59:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.052015.22376@rice.edu>, rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:

|> Sorry!  In fact, before I posted the above message, I was not sure
|> about the copyright and so in fact asked around my department, and was
|> told that if something is "posted" then it is more or less
|> "understood" to be copy-able.  I s'pose it was naive of me to believe
|> them.

That's generally the case, but clarinet attaches (aparently at random) a
copyright notice on one out of every 5 or so posts which says that all things
appearing on the clari hierarchy are copyrighted.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (P.Chatterjee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Why's Zmeskal in trouble?Could somebody clarify?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 12:41:55 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hi,

It was shocking to see America's sweetheart,  Kim Zmeskal, have an unfortunate  fall at the 'beam. The NBC commentators kept mentioning that her qualification for the All-Around competition is in near jeopardy. Why so? How does it work? Is a 9.350 on just one apparatus enough to scuttle somebody's chances? What are thetechnicalities --- that is, how are the gymnasts for the All-Around selected? I'd appreciate if somebody would clarify.

GO SHANNON; GO KIM !!!
From: YAOM@CSSS.LA.ASU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:26:53 GMT
Organization: Indiana University
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"rec.sport.olympics@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu"

>From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
>
>And here is yet another beauteous comment by Barkley, which I pulled
>off of clari.sports.olympic:

Here are some more:
	"He hit me. I hit him. You guys don't understand. It's a ghetto 
thing. An eye for an eye."

	"We're here to win the gold medal. If people don't like it,
then turn the f**king TV off."

He definitely fills role of ugly American. 
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:24:35 GMT

In article <_nkmy+@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:

> Damn cool way to light the torch. Pretty awesome looking.
> Almost (but not nearly) made up for the interminable commercials.

It's qool when you know about it about 2 months beforehand!  :vP

I hear "you people" in the US got it on delayed telecast if you didn't have
PPV.

This is because I was talking to rachele@cs.rice.edu and she said something
to the effect of "4 hours to go" and I said "We'll it has just started live
in Australia".

I think she was amazed that NBC delayed it until the evening in the US.

Rod Swift
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Complete list of Olympic events (was Re: Olympic sports : list)
Keywords: Canoe
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:12:47 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul29.002758.1849@Princeton.EDU> chbat@ptah.Princeton.EDU (Michel Chbat) writes:
>In article <131700@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>>
>>    1. Canadian Singles 500
>
>Canadian ? Since when ?
>I always thought C stands for canoe...

In the Olympics, the sport of canoeing includes both kayaking and what is
ordinarily thought of as canoeing.  To distinguish the type of boat from
the name of the sport, the boat is called a "Canadian canoe", and the 
name of the events are as I gave them.  This has been the case since the
sport became an Olympic event.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:44:49 GMT

In article <92209.133750RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>,
RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
> And most Irish people prefer that you don't use the Eire when speaking
> in English. The name of the state in English is Ireland.

Tough. I don't tell you what to call Britain in Gaellic so mind your own
business.

Simon.

  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
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From: kevin-kreeger@orl.mmc.com (Kevin Kreeger)
Subject: Re: Moving images
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:34:26 GMT

>Watching footage of the floor exercises on NBC, I noticed the images
>are peculiarly sharp.  In the tumbling runs, the arms and legs of the
>gymnasts are a series of sharp images, not moving blurs, both in real
>time and in slow motion.  It's a little disorienting.

I was always under the impression that this was a result of quicker
shutter speeds. I'm no photograph or video expert, but with even
the new hand hel video cameras if you increase the shutter speed to
1/1000 and film a fast moving (usually something with sports) action
and replay it, you get this effect.

Standard TV video I believe is 30 frames per second. If you would
use a shutter speed of 1/30 sec then the blur in the frame when
played back looks normal to the human eyes. (Doesn't a human see
~ approx. 60 frames/sec). But when filmed with more "stop action"
(i.e. 1/1000 shutter) the movements appear jerked. This makes for 
clearer frame-by-frame viewing if you have a vcr that can accomplish
that ( like the new ones with job/shuttle).

Anyhow, thats how I figured it worked.

Kevo
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From: shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov)
Subject: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Reply-To: shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov)
Organization: Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:00:47 GMT


"For the First time in Olympic History:"

           MACEDONIANS WILL BE THERE ON THEIR OWN

   On 15th of July the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
inform Macedonian Olympic Committee that Macedonian athletes
can compete at the next OIympic Games held at Barcelona, Spain.
The decision came as a greaf relief and justice for six
Macedonian athletes who already with the sports results got
their visa for the games. The six athletes representing
Macedonia will be: Natasha Meshkovska and Kire Philipovski
(swimming), Zoran Shorov (wrestling), Laze Popovski and
Lazar Miloevich (canoeing), and Elizabeta Pavlovska (athletics).

   Zoran Shorov is our biggest hope of bringing a gold medal
home. The Macedonian athletes will compete under the Olympic
flag. That won't stop thousands of journalists and sport
reporters to inform their base that the following athletes
are coming from Macedonia. This victory on the sport fields
is much greater than we think.

BEST OF LUCK, MACEDONIANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL BE WITH YOU

[insert: picture of Natasha Meshkovska, one of Macedonian athletes
         who will be competing at the Barcelong Olympics.]

Australian Macedonian Weekly,
21st July 1992.

MAK-NEWS
SAS.
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:12:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.005329.24141@terminator.cc.umich.edu> ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang) writes:

>I applauded Magic's resolution and American Olympic Association's courage
>to show the world that HIV positive people ( I reject using 'patients')
>are as normal as regular people, even before a cure can be found, if 
>their activities post no threat to other people.

I applaud to, but isn't it ironic that if Magic had been Spanish and
the Games help in the U.S., he would have had to have applied to the
INS for special dispensation to enter the country and compete? I
wonder whether this will become an issue in '96 if the U.S.'s
immigration policies are not changed?

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Cool Arrow Thing
Date: 26 Jul 92 10:16:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Damn cool way to light the torch. Pretty awesome looking.
Almost (but not nearly) made up for the interminable commercials.

If the opening ceremonies are any indication of whats to be expected
for further coverage, I'm going to regret not getting the PPV, only
because it would have been the only way to see any sports action at all.

r.
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From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:16:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.011926.14387@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:
>I do not understand why a specific person is so angry at Bob Costas. I think he
>is doing a fine job, he is smart, a true gentleman and quite knowledgable.
>It is the individual sports commentators that are really annoying. First, they
>are extremely critical of everybody (US athletes included) and that makes me
>angry. I am not familiar with all of them, however I am sure that most of them
>in their career were not better than atyhletes they are now criticizing. I
>would understand Greg Louganis to be judgmental regarding divers but when the
>commentator was not exactly the best athlete ever in his sport he/she should be
>less God-like! It is extremely disappointing to see this guy with the moustache
>running to the US swimmer who won the silver (or bronze) and ask her/him:
>"Why? You must be very disappointed! What was the reason for this disaster?"
>and things like that. If I were an athlete I would probably push him in the
>pool... Bob Costas has often corrected cases like that and that shows he is a
>classy guy.
>Finally, as somebody mentioned, it is quite disappointing to see NBC showing
>only the face of the US gold medalist, and totally skipping a ceremony when a
                      *****************
>US athlete did not get the gold! Very bad and unsportsmanlike behavior in
>the biggest athletic event. Very low!
>
>Anthony Stefanidis
>Ohio St8

Not necessarily US gold medallist! US medallist or just US team member or  even
just a US fan. If a medallist is from another country, to hell with him or her.
NBC is the true medium for the Olympics. NOT!!!

Dinkar.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:58:58 EDT
From: Michael J. Ludwig <MJL122@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: barcelona

I have my 13 year old niece from Barcelona staying with me in Pennsylvania. She
is trying to learn English and is very interested in the Olympics and Catalonia
n independence.  Send notes in English/Spanish/Catalan and she will respond.
Thanks.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:35:02 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>American networks have never claimed more than 65 million (plus or minus 20
>million) viewers for any event. Despite the fact that your typical SuperBowl
>is a street clearing event, You don't get much more than twentyfive percent of
>the total population. 

That's not much, real big sports events get viewers in 80% range in Denmark.
80% for a game shown from midnight to 2.00 am is rather impressive. I don't
dare guessing how many saw the EC final last month - it most have been more
than 90%.
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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Cups Re: Dream Team Drinking Game
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:51:18 GMT

Well, McDonald's isn't going to sell the Drexler or Laettner cups, but you
can order them. There is an order form that should be available at your
local McD's, and you could order the entire set for $7.15 (add shipping and
handlg later). Of course, you won't get these cups until maybe October.

--
Emil Thomas Chuck 			etchuck@helix.nih.gov
BioSystems 26 (1992) 177-183. (3d author)
"Spending the taxpayers' money as I want." 
DISCLAIMER: You don't think I'd speak for the government, do you? 
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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Summer Olympics trivia
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:50:06 GMT

In <1992Jul30.095334.18696@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8824538@macfie.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Peter Bayliss) writes:


>in 3 Olympics, 1904, 1908, & 1912.
>Can anyone do better than that?

Yes.  He also won the standing events in 1900...and he also has a
world record in standing long jump (347cm).  And his name is 
Ray Ewry.
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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Subject: Re: SILTS <-- Sports I'd Like To See!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:25:53 GMT

In article <BrqrqM.AqJ@andy.bgsu.edu> ca-mc580@andy.bgsu.edu ([Alvaro C. Calabia}) writes:
>Be realistic, people.  Don't you watch ESPN?
>
>- Bowling (women, men, teams...)
>- Tractor Pulling (Development countries can bring oxes)
>- Aerobics (women, men, mix, waterobics...)
>- Bullfighting (in all its varieties, including Rejoneo [on horse]
>  and Encierros [running the bulls])
>- Rodeo

How's about:

  - Synchronized Aerobics (naah, it's already supposed to be synchronized)
  - Synchronized Bullfighting (yeah! that's the ticket!)
  - Synchronized Tractor Pulling (two monster trucks do figure-8's and turn
    turtle together to the strains of Mantovani)...
  - Sync. Bowling? (get two 1-10 splits with Hank Williams, Jr. in the
    background..)
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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Basketball ... one more thing
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:56:06 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 04:00:00 GMT

Sorry I forgot this:

USA		54	49	103
CRO		37	33	70

NBAers on Croatia's team

Drazen Petrovic	NJNets
Stoyko Vrankovic BOS Celtics (Played quite well. I hope he comes to relieve
the Boston Old Guard -- Bird, Parrish, McHale -- in the near future.)
Tony Kukoc (rights held by CHI Bulls)

--
Emil Thomas Chuck 			etchuck@helix.nih.gov
BioSystems 26 (1992) 177-183. (3d author)
"Spending the taxpayers' money as I want." 
DISCLAIMER: You don't think I'd speak for the government, do you?
From: ichpc@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Pedro de Oleiros)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Questions on yatching
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: ichpc@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Pedro de Oleiros)
Organization: Montana State University


	I want to thank the person in charge of the results in yatching for a
very nice job.

	But I also want to ask a couple of questions.

	How many races are there in every event?? I thought there were only
six, but today I've seen the results for the seventh race of some events.

	I would also like to know in which event the prince of Spain, Felipe
de Borbon, is competing.

	Thanks

	Pedro                  |   Non des a esquencemento
			       |   Da inxuria o rudo encono,
			       |   Desperta do teu sono,
			       |   Fogar de Breogan.

	ichpcpm@earth.oscs.montana.edu
	ichpcpm@trex.oscs.montana.edu
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Gymnastics
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:00:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul27.174928.28445@cbnews.cb.att.com>, tcr@cbnews.cb.att.com (toby.c.rabold) writes:
|> 
|> TO:	USA OLYMPIC TEAM SUPPORTERS
|> 
|> FROM:	Kim Kelly/Parkettes National Gymnastics Training Center
|> 
|> DATE: 	July 27, 1992
|> 
|> Kim Kelly placed 6th at the US Olympic Trials. Kim performed
|> her FLAWLESS routines on July 9th in Florida in a required
|> selection process. Following this performance Kim was removed
|> from the team due to a subjective vote by the coaches of each
|> gymnast and one USGF official. The USGF by-laws, article 8.01 (B)
|> states: the selection process shall be based primarily on current
|> objective performance-related criteria, eliminating any reliance
|> on subjective criteria.
|> 
|> Kim met all the criteria and was arbitrarily removed. Kim's
|> goal is to change the United States Olympic Committee's (USOC)
|> approval of the selection process from that of SUBJECTIVE
|> FAVORITISM to using the spirit of Olympic competition. Please
|> write to the following addresses to express your support:

This is very wrong.

First off an unusually large number of athletes who did not qualify
(including at least one who was not able to show up at the
qualifiers) were invited to the training camp and it was not expected
that the sixth place gymnast at the qualifiers would make the team.

Secondly, this WAS based soely on performance related criteria. A single
great performance is not better than consistently superior performance.
Despite the commercials pegging as a close competition, Dan O'Brien was
generally considered to be the number one decathalon person in America.
A single bad call (skipping the opening heights cost him an Olympic bearth
despite an otherwise tremendous performance. The Gymnastics selection
allows for exceptions to made for such cases by including with the six
qualifiers, gymnasts that they feel deserve some special consideration.
It is wrong to base a selection process more on luck than on skill. One
performance does not make an athlete.

Jason W. Solinsky
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