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From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Location of PAL/NTSC jumper/solder pad NEEDED for A600/HD.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:03:45 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site)

In article <1mgHwB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, Chris Ringe writes:

> I am in desparate need to find the solder pad for ntsc/pal configurations on
> the motherboard.  As far a I can tell, there is only on pad.  Perhaps it may be
> just a trace that needs to be modified.  CBM felt it a cost saving measure to
> not include the schematics for the A600 in the manual.  I could just trace it
> back from the AGNUS, however a solder pad would be easier...
Sorry, but there is no solder pad to switch between NTSC and PAL in an
A600, the AGNUS (8375) used in this computer has no pin for it.
You can only switch between PAL and NTSC by software. :-(

The reason for this? Ask C=, why they do not bond out the PAL/NTSC-pin
on the 8375...

Gerrit

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From: Brian.Heyboer@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Heyboer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: What does a PURPLE screen
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 15:11:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

JD> My A3000 has been giving me some problems lately!! But I have been
JD> clueless as to how to fix it. When booting it the other day the
JD> system lock up and gave me a light PURPLE color. I know that the
JD> different colors on boot up all mean something, so I went to my list
JD> of colors and looked it up. Or least tried too, as there was no
JD> purple in the list.

Magenta, maybe?  (Looks kinda purplish.)  I have seen a bad CIA do that,
though it wasn't on a 3000.

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: 3.5" ide with a 1200?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:58:38 GMT
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George Robbins (grr@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec29.164349.4715@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
: > John Charles Zurawski (zurawski@cse.uta.edu) wrote:
: > : Is it possible to use a 3.5" IDE drive with the 1200's internal IDE
: > : interface?  I know that it may not be possible for the drive to fit
: > : inside the machine, but I have a spare IDE drive I could put in an
: > : external case or something.  I also read someones comment that the
: > : non HD model does not come with the necessary HD preparation software.
: > : Is there freeware/pd equivalent software?  It would be a real shame if
: > : I could not make use of this drive I already have.  I have a 
: > : Western Digital AC280 and a Seagate ST157A.  I have not decided which
: > : one to keep in my 386 yet.  Any help will be appreciated.
: > 
: > : Thanks.
: > 
: > 
: > You should be able to use a 3.5" ide with it....  Just take a longer cable
:       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: > and stick it on top of the computer, like I plan to doL....  (But isn't that
: > bad for the computer?)  Well, I've had my 125 meg ide hd sitting out in the
: > open on top of my 500 for a year, and its fine...

: Make that "might be able".  There's a fair chance that any cable longer than
: a couple inches will result in a non-working system.  Also, you would need
: to make/buy a 2.5" - 3.5" adapater, since the cable/connector is different.

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Well, a couple of inches isn't a problem... just send the cable up through the 
top of the computer....  how?  Well, about the same way I made enough space
for it to pass through the back of the 500....  Soldering irons make short
work of that plastic... =)  (Thank you C= for not using metal!!)

Oh, on a side note...  What was the purpose of the shielding on the 500? I've
been using mine w/o shielding for about 2 years and nothings gone wrong...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Wanted: Supra 8-MB memory board test program
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:50:44 GMT

     I recently bought a used Supra 8-MB memory board for my A2000.  However,
the person from whom I bought it didn't have the original disk.  I suspect
that there are minor problems with some of the memory, but I can't find out
where with a general memory test program that I have.  I'm going to send a
letter to Supra, but in the meantime I would like to test my memory.

     Would someone be willing to archive, uuencode, and mail me the memory
test program?  The prefered mailing address is the one given in the signature
line below.  (NOTE: Using a 'reply' command will not work since I have news
access via NNTP.)

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From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Questions about new computers/future chipsets
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:52:51 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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Hi--

Has C= mentioned whether the new machines (A4000, A1200, etc) will 
be able to handle either their low-end or high-end chipsets when they
are released in 1994?  

Will there be a new sound chip that will be able to be used on the Amiga
500?

If you can, it would be appreciated if you could reply directly via
e-mail.  Thank you.

					-Mike Traynor

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: A-3000 display problem?
Summary: Just discovered... 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 04:53:15 GMT

I have recently discovered what could be a problem with my A-3000, or at
least Amber.  I've had it since this past March, but I've been running it
with a 1084 monitor.  Recently I bought a Diamondscan, and found the output
through Amber to be less than stable - it's OK so long as nothing is moving,
but when moving windows, or scrolling text (sometimes), I get breakup.
Individual lines are momentarily shifted over at random - sort of a linear
static effect is the best I can describe it.  Doesn't happen all the time
but it is quite noticable.  At first, I thought it was the monitor - it
arrived damaged and was obviously misbehaving in other ways, and I sent it
back (don't use RPS if you can help it, folks - the monitor I was delivered
had the two bottom styrofoam supports squashed FLAT as though it had been
dropped off a building, and this is the third time I've had trouble with
them, out of three encounters...).  But recently I gained access to a 1960
and it shows the same effect.

I did try adjusting the little screw in back, somewhat (it's tough to do
without the proper tool), but it didn't seem to help much.  I'd appreciate
any suggestions (via Email of course).

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: harlock@rahul.net (Mike Harlock)
Subject: need help with A1000 > Printer cable
Organization: a2i network
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:09:49 GMT

HiLo.  The printer cable on my friend's 1000 recently went bad (it was
a cheap hack job from a local amiga dealer), so for christmas, I went out
and bought him a regular cable with a gender changer on it, figuring that
would do.   Bzzt.  Wrong!  When he plugged everything in and turned on the 
computer, the computer just hung there...blank (black) screen...didn't even
get to the kickstart requester.

  is it some wire that needs to be cut or jumped in the cable?  If so, I can
perform that operation myself.  Please advise.  thanks.
--Mike

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From: king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions about new computers/future chipsets
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:07:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <C022K5.B2w@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   No.  The chipsets in the A4000 and A1200 are surface-mounted. They 
>cannot be replaced.

What planet did you say you were from? Of course they can be replaced! You
may not be able to do it, but given the proper tools (they do exist, you
know) I certainly could.
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From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: WANTED: Phone Line Interface Hardware
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:41:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
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I need to know if any hardware exists for interfacing an Amiga to a phone line.
It must provide these features:

- Recognize incoming call and signal machine
- Pick up the phone line when told
- Connect an audio source (Amiga sound outputs) to the phone line
- Provide touch-tone recognition

A modem would handle the first three, but falls flat on its face for tone
recognition. This hardware must cost < $129 and hook to an Amiga port,
pref. serial, parallel, or PCMCIA.

Getting my hands on such a device may mean using an Amiga in a big project
instead of (GASP) a PC clone. Can anyone out there help?

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From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Urgent Help Required!
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 04:17:45 GMT

Well, okay, here's the situation...I did receive WB 2.1, as well as a 
MultiStart II board from DKB.
 
The situation I have is that I can't get the shield and the top cover 
back on; I am infering something is wrong...like I should have gotten the 
Rev 6a version for my A500, right?
 
The box is sort-of obliterated, but it seems as if there's a checkmark 
for the follwing choices...
 
MultiStart II
V1.3 Kickstart ROM
V2.0 Kickstart ROM
Rev 6a Version
 
Only the top line is checked; Creative Computers has their barcode decal 
over the rest of the sticker.
 
From looking at the diagram it seems as if the board should sit more 
toward the rear of the computer to give nough room to install the 
shield/keyboard & top cover, right?
 
I'm going to call Creative either tomorrow (I think they'll be open), 
else I'll just hold off until Monday...
 
Any verification on this would be appreciated...please mail, as I may not 
have much time to keep up with the news for the next day or so..thanx!!

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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: a1200 ide problems
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:19:26 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Many IDE drives have buggy firmware, which does not allow xfrs greater
than 65535 bytes, set your maxtransfer back to something less than
65535 byytes.  Quantum for example, acknowledges this bug in
their 120 and 240M IDE drives.

-Roger
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Golden Gate II
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:21:53 GMT

In article <BzKppF.CGH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(David Salamon) writes:

>The GoldenGateII is indeed a Zorro II specific card.  I'm not sure what you
>mean by "relative" performance here-- relative to what?

By relative, I was simply wondering how a VGA card would perform under this
configuration as compared to use on its native ISA bus (ie, would an
accelerated card such as a Speedstar or Ultra Pro be reasonably fast 
given RTG?).

>There is no plan to make a Zorro III version of this, because there is no
>point.  AT PC plug-in cards can only operate at 8 MHz and 16 bits...

Ok., that's all I needed to know :).

>>o Will the card be released commercially?
>Possibly, but I am a student and I don't want to do this full time.  I may
>try to sell the design to someone else to manufacture.

It may have tremendous potential.

>I don't think the libraries would be difficult at all, once RTG is available.
>Several GoldenGateII owners say they are interested in writing a driver to
>display still images.  I suspect one will be available soon.

Good stuff.

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From: f92anha@fy.chalmers.se (Anders Hammarqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Backing up on a VCR
Keywords: video vcr backup
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:11:19 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <3JAN199318154970@md2.huji.ac.il> robi@md2.huji.ac.il (Dr. Wartenfeld Robi) writes:
>
>     Hello.
>  I once saw some instructions on building an interface whuch allows
>connecting the amiga parallel port to a Video Cassette recorde and backing up
>the hard disk to the VCR.  If anyone has those instructions please send a
>copy to me.
>     Thanks.
>        Robi.

I would also appreciate a copy, or an FTP site...

Tnx, Anders.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: To *ALL 1200/4000* multisync owners!
From: dseaman@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:17:55 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

To all Amiga 1200/4000 owners who have used a VGA only monitor with
their system.

I am split between two monitors. One will go down to 15 Khz (Sony
1302) or the Nec 4FG which will only go down to 27 Khz. I have a
couple of questions:

Does not having the 15 Khz mode very restrictive? A couple of PD hacks
claim to promote all screens to a resired resolution/frequency. Do
these really work, and what if any programs refuse to be promoted?

Is the display of the Sony 1302 very good, and is it worth it to spend
the $200 to get the bigger and better display of the 4FG?

Any comments from 1302 or 4FG, or any other VGA-only owner would be
more than appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

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Derek Seaman
From: barrett@theo (Chris Barrett (x37253))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WB2.1 & Rexxmast
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:01:10 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co. - Clinical Diagnostics Division
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: +12v and +5v reversed
Keywords: Brain Dead
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:14:36 GMT

In <1h4sj1INNgcv@transfer.stratus.com> mjw@sw.stratus.com (Michael Wilson) writes:
>I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps
>the windings on the stepper motor that drives the head
>assembly is toasted.  So the burning questions is - has
>this sort of accident ever happened before and can the unit
>be repaired, or am I now the proud owner of a 375 dollar
>paperweight?

This accident has happened before but it depends largely on the
details of the setup wether something can be repaired. Sometimes
you have pure luck, sometimes you have not.

F.e. this happened once to a Maxtor 660MB drive. Result: the drive
was perfectly ok except that the power supply was trash.
In a second case a Seagate ST277R drive was shot and we had to
replace the complete electronics (we luckily had a second drive
with a defective read/write head).

As for _repairing_. The largest problem is getting spare parts
as the drive manufacturers use parts specifically made for them
which aren't publically available. Some manufacturers will 'repair'
a drive by selling you a new drive at 80-90% of the list price
of a new drive. Of course you loose all the data. Getting the
data restored is _extremely_ expensive.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: How to put a CLock in A1200
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 14:52:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.110938.1064@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Jeff Easton (easton@zds-oem.zds.com) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan1.081253.28607@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>: >Jeff Easton (easton@zds-oem.zds.com) wrote:
>: >: In article <1992Dec31.070125.18936@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>: >: >Since the clock has a seperate conector than the FAST-Ram slot, is there
>: >: >an easy way to add one?
>
>: >: Plug the mythical clock module into the exposed header.  Reverse the
>: >: procedure to put it back together.
>: >
>: >:   Has anyone announced a clock module that plugs in here?
>: >
>: >Are you trying to tell me that the 1200 doesn't come with a f**king clock?
>
>: Yup.
>
>To C= people:   Why the fuck?
>		How the fuck?
>		When... you get the picture.... Why was this allowed to happen?
>			even bottom of the line ibm clones have f**king clocks!
 
  Sheesh.  Lighten up.  All the pads for a real time clock and battery
are there on the motherboard.  It looks like Engineering did the 
Right Thing (tm) and accounted for the possibility.  Its the marketing
guys who told them to de-populated it and they arent on the net.

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From: Neon@cup.portal.com (Anthony Joseph Bruder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200/4000 ramblings...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:48:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <smcgerty.725068311@unix1.tcd.ie>
  <1992Dec22.183843.14065@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

In article 12/22/92 kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:


>Technology has improved in the past 50 years. :-)
>
>Although films are still often shot at 24 fps, each frame is flashed
>_twice_, giving a 48 Hz flash rate.  Most people's eyes don't notice this
>-- especially considering that there usually isn't the very sharp constrast
>between adjacent picture portions that you find on computer screens.
>
>I believe that you need to flash things at people about 40 times a second
>(given low constrast images, like movies) if you don't want them to notice
>flicker.  You only need to actually shift images something like 15 times a
>second and people won't perceive it as "jerky" motion.
>
>These numbers can vary a lot of what's being displayed, though.


I thought that the old silents were shot at 24 fps and that around the time
of the introduction of "talkies", 30 fps became standard.  Which is why
those of us who grew up in my generation were treated to silent pictures
that seemed wierd.  Everyone moved around the screen so fast.  It wasn't
till I was a little older, when more respect was granted to these old
films, that I began to see silent movies projected at their correct speed.
Some of those films, restored and with good prints are wonders to behold.
(Flicker and all)

Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com
From: mjw@sw.stratus.com (Michael Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: +12v and +5v reversed
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:49:37 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cowabunga.sw.stratus.com
Keywords: Brain Dead

Hello,

Let us say that in a moment of perfect brain dead stupidty
a person (the author) while fabricating a four pin power
supply cable for a disk drive, reversed the locations of
the +12 volt and +5 volt connectors.  Let's also take as
a given that this perfect null {} set moment lasted until
after that power was applied and the pop was heard followed
by the familiar smell of naplam in the morning air.

Oops, sorry I had a flashback... I meant to say smell of
burnt electronics wafting through the air.  After the smoke
and expletives are cleared from the room and calm has returned
and some small semblance of a brain is booted in the head of
our intrepid sorftware engineer (masquarading as a hardware
Eng.) decides to open the electronics section of this drive
unit hoping to find something repairable.  Alas, nothing
looks as though it could be removed and replaced with a
paper clip, jumper wire, and neither superclue nor a wedge
appear to be appropriate solutions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps
the windings on the stepper motor that drives the head
assembly is toasted.  So the burning questions is - has
this sort of accident ever happened before and can the unit
be repaired, or am I now the proud owner of a 375 dollar
paperweight?

All ideas are welcome.  After all the ranting and raving that
I've already done I can laugh at just about anything.  While
laughing may not help any more than crying or shouting it is
a lot less rough on the body and soul than self-flagellation.

Regards,
-mjw-