HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: I'm in a gay mood!
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:08:09 GMT

adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
>>bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>>> So tell us Murph, what are your sexual preferences?

>>I like llamas.  My favorite newsgroups are alt.sex.gerbils.duct-tape and
>>alt.sex.aluminum.baseball.bat.  I demand the same rights as the homos.

>>Should I have them?

>Sure.  As long as you can find us a llama that will demonstrate
>consent.  :)

>If you want newsgroups for your fantasies, read the FAQs and do a
>RFD/RFV to get them created.  Or just create them, you did name "alt." 
>groups.

>Please remember to create an alt.sex.gerbils.duct-tape.flame and
>alt.sex.aluminum.baseball.bat.flame so that you won't have to listen
>to all the flamage those groups will generate.


	No, both of those groups already exist.  The first of coruse
refers to the urban legend linking gerbils to gay sex (in actuality
all such accounts are urban legend - people who have actually put
in time researching it looking at hospital records, etc have never
found a single account that this has ever really happened [although
what they have found was nothing short of bizarre!]).

	The second has to do with the claim of a net.persona's
pride at having gone after a gay person in his dorm with an 
aluminum baseball bat.  

	Actually I'm surprised there isn't an alt.sex.tire.iron since
one of the long-lived net.infmaous.persons.from.new_jersey has a
similar story...

	I can actually say I've never read either of them, but I've
been on the net long enough to know some of the group.etymologies.

BBC
From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Bearing arms: our first line of defense
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:26:28 GMT
Reply-To: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Organization: The Business Card (BBS), Lawrence, MA - Data: 508-682-5329

adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

> >Let's talk about gun control.  It's a bad idea.  A well-armed citizenry
> >prevents abuse by the government.  When the Liberals start taking all our
> >guns, you can be justified in fearing the government.
> 
> The fact is, most gun deaths occur when a member of a gun-owners
> family shoots someone, either accidentally, or in "playing."  Many of
> those killed are kids.  Many of those who have been killed were killed
> by someone who should have known better.

Oh, yes, of course.  You can't legislate stupidity or responsibility, though.
There's no arguing that you have to be careful with guns!  :-)

> Guns kill people accidentaly.  Thousands die every year in the US.
> Far fewer people are killed in countries where owning a gun is illegal
> than in the US.  There are as many crimes, but not as many lead to
> death.

Sure, but in many of those same countries, they don't enjoy the same freedoms
we do here - won for us with guns during our Revolution.

Nah, guns are good, guns are great, guns help you lose that extra weight! <g>

I have no problem with the reasonable restrictions you mentioned like a
background check and not letting persons convicted of violent crimes own guns
- provided said checks take place as quickly as a check on traffic violations
occurs at the Registry of Motor Vehicles.  I disagree, however, with long
waiting periods or "cooling off" periods.  Why should I wait?  I have a
CONSTITUTIONAL right to that gun - gimme the damned heater, NOW.  If my
neighborhood or house were under seige like those in Los Angeles during those
terrible riots, I don't want to screw around; I WANT THAT FREAKIN' GUN!

I disagree, however, with penalties for leaving a gun where a kid can get at
it.  Again, we can't legislate responsibility.  If you are so careless a
parent as to leave a GUN within reach of your children, no penalty of any
severity will help.  To have such a law will only provide more work for
lawyers, slimey bastards that they are.  Further, if the loss or maiming of
your own child is not penalty enough, I'd say the person who wants to fine
or imprison the greiving parent is truly heartless.

> If you want to bear arms, you have to accept the responsibility that
> comes with owning a peice of equipment designed to kill.  If you don't
> want to, don't buy a gun.

Absolutely!  Good for you Mr. Adam Shostack!

                         Your friend in Lawrence, Massachusetts...
                                      - - - Murph

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From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Sex ed in school
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:37:12 GMT


>   I'm only guessing but I think it's safe to say that he'd like to see our 
>   government, that's you and me, folks, pay for all of this supporting.
>
>and me.  Are we forgetting that the government represents
>the lesbians and gay men and pregnant women and poor
>children as well as conservative white Republicans?

No, people like Mr Murphy are desparate to believe that the USA is
like some sort of exclusive country club and they may sort and pick
its members based on their personal whims.

What people like Mr Murphy fails to understand is that if their
perverted ideas were ever enacted they themselves would be squashed
like so many bugs in a second by the truly powerful, ground up into
food for their prize dogs.

Mr Murphy may as well open his note with something more pertinent to
his true point of view:

	Me and God have been talking and we decided...

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From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Sex ed in school
Followup-To: ne.politics
Reply-To: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:50:53 GMT

In article <mNRiPB1w165w@buscard.fidonet.org> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
>> >  This is so far outside the scope of what school is 
>> >about as to be painfully obvious.  Shall we teach how to tie shoe-laces 
>> >in school as well?  <sigh>
>> 
>> Yes, if the parents (or substitutes) didn't.
>
>WRONG!  We let the kid trip on the shoelaces until he either wises up or 
>his parents teach him.

We teach the kid two things.  One, how to tie his shoelaces.  Two, how to
be a better parent so that the next generation won't spend their lives flat
on their faces -- as this generation will be condemned to do if we leave
things strictly to those inadequate parents (deliberately oversimplifying
here, of course, dividing the world of parent/guardians into perfect, such
as myself, and pathetic.  In reality we all fall to some degree short of
even the standards we set for ourselves; it's part of being human, Brian,
and not an element in a neat sociological theory).

The emphasis seems to be on punishing children for any of their parents'
shortcomings (positing for now a standard by which you can measure such).
Negative reinforcement is never the way to teach new behaviors.  Brian
seems to think the increasing burden placed on schools is a cause of
parenting failures: I and many others see it as a result, and that society
finds it vital, in communal self-interest (great oxymoron, nein?) to do
what it can to protect the next generation as much as possible from the
effects of rampant dysfunction.  And, as I said earlier, to be better
parents themselves, so that we *can* restore the balance somewhat.
-- 
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Five more months!  Five more months!
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Barry Shein:  Has he ANYTHING constructive to lend to debate?
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:25:16 GMT
Organization: The World


From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
>Hmmmm....  No, I don't think there's anything inhumane about anything I've
>written.  I simply ask that people do things for themselves and not ask the
>taxpayers to do it for them.  Further, I ask that if they don't do for
>themselves and screw up, don't ask the taxpayer to come to the rescue.

Who exactly do you think is paying to carry our messages around?

Murph, stop living off the taxpayers and build your own network,
roads, sewers, whatever...

Oh, I forget, that's ok, those are things Murph needs or wants, it's
only things he doesn't need or want (right this moment) that are a
waste...


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From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Homos in school, too?  What next?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:58:54 GMT
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Followup-To: Dave_Wetzel@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

In article <qZuPPB3w165w@buscard.fidonet.org> murph@buscard.fidonet.org 
(Brian Murphy) writes:

> This is perfect, though, and a perfect example of where discrimination 
might
> be justified, in _my_ view.  Teachers are role models for children; 
that's a
> fact we all have to agree on.  Having homos for role models is WRONG!

Actually, this diatribe of Mr Murphy is a perfect example of why we *NEED* 
a more well-rounded education with emphasis on toleration of others.  This 
extremist, reactionary, fascist drivel *MUST* be weened from our society 
if we are going to call ourselves civilized.

Mr. Murphy, I'd wager that you'd be surprised to find how many and who of 
your friends and aquaitances are homosexual.  Grow up.

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Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Hypocrasy test: (was Re: Abortion: What does God say?)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Aug18.151810.7235@spdcc.com> <1992Aug21.192740.19388@credence.com>
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:39:25 GMT

John> == John Ewing <johne@or.credence.com> 

 John> As I understand it, "this crew" is NOT talking about gays &
 John> lesbians losing any rights.  However, "this crew" IS talking
 John> about not giving them (or anyone else, e.g. heterosexuals,
 John> whoever) special rights/privileges.  "This crew" is talking about
 John> equal rights under the law to each individual.

I guess that means that married couples won't get special treatment
anymore?  (i.e. tax breaks if one works and one doesn't, though it's a
tax penalty if you both make about the same amount, figure that one out)

Sounds like "special rights/privileges" to me, you get the Magic License
from the State, and get whatever benefits that gives you, like health
insurance paid by your spouse's employer, that sort of thing.  Of course
this benefit appears to be a "special right/privilege" of paired-off
heterosexuals only...
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From: drg@bubba.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R Guilderson)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Sex ed in school (WHY JONNY CAN'T READ MUSIC)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:47:39 GMT
	<1992Aug17.210014.28270@spdcc.com> <SPIKE.92Aug18120912@coke.std.com>
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems, Billerica MA USA

In article <SPIKE.92Aug18120912@coke.std.com> spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:

	   Dunno, from my own experience, I wonder if it is the lack of
   things outside of the "3 Rs" that is part of the problem.  As I when
   though public school, the budget shrunk, and after school programs
   ended.  Not just sports, but things like chess clubs, science clubs,
   debating clubs.  Things that make school interesting and teach you how
   to thing instead of just memorize.

These activities were supported before they were absorbed by the
school system.  There were/are Boys and Girls Clubs, scouts, church
affiliated youth activities, etc.  There really is no reason for any
individual student to suffer from a lack of activity.  If nothing
else, students can form their own informal low-budget activities such
as sand-lot baseball.  Maybe the real problem is a lack of initiative.
Would you like to guess where my libertarian mind lays the blame for a
lack of initiative? ;-)

P.S. I never had a problem with a lack of school activities.  I never
participated in any but varsity hockey.  However, I spent many, many
long hours playing football, basketball, hockey, baseball etc with my
friends.  It was much more fun than the usually rigid formality of
school organized activities.
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: I'm in a gay mood!
Organization: The World
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:02:19 GMT


From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
>Gays and lesbians have more rights today than at any other time in history.
>They won't be happy, however, until they cram their unnatural sexuality down
>everyone else's throats.  I use the word "unnatural" with much deliberation.
>
>This lifestyle should not have equal standing with other lifestyles.  The
>distinction?  While it is good to teach your children that there is nothing
>wrong with or to be feared from a racial minority, such is not the case with
>this unnatural sexual preference minority.


So tell us Murph, what are your sexual preferences? I mean, it seems
to be *your* idea that we now have to distinguish between The Real
Murph Citizens (heterosexual, but not too often, missionary position,
etc) and those who are to be sent to the camps.

So, well, gays are pretty up-front so we can stick 'em with pink
triangles rather simply. But we don't know anything about you!

Maybe you're into something weird and we all better find out before
you walk past an elementary school or something heinous like that.

Anyone have a dossier on Murph? Could we get him to fill out one of
those purity tests before we go on (and make him wash his hands
first)?


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From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: Which shall it be: education or socializing?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:50:31 GMT

In article <NPqoPB2w165w@buscard.fidonet.org> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
	(discussion on school policy deleted)
>
>SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION HAS NO PLACE IN SCHOOL!  Teach the little darlings what
>they must learn to the extent we can while we have them in elementary school.
>Just the facts, man, just the facts.  All these other niceties can wait until
>they graduate or after the six hours the school system has them each day
>Monday through Friday.
>

	SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION HAS NO PLACE IN SCHOOL!  Right On!  Of
course,  my agenda is not social experimentation,  its just the right
and proper way.
	By the way,  if you want a nice account of "Just the facts" education,
read George Orwell's essay "Such, such were the joys...",  a memoir of his
schooldays at English Public School.  And there is always the question of
which facts.


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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Hypocrasy test: (was Re: Abortion: What does God say?)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 09:37:42 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>...................................  If I die, no matter what my
>will says, my family can declare it invalid if it includes my
>lover because legally he has no relationship to me.  Is this
>a "special right"?

>BBC


Just a nit...   Some of what you have posted is clearly the way it is.
Some probably is right, but I am not knowegeable enough about the 
various state laws to evaluate...  The one statement above is however
an overstatement. If people can leave large estates to pets or in
Ma. to their legislator , then clearly they can leave their estate
to their same sex lover. A will is a very powerfull instrument and is
not easily challanged or set aside.

Charlie
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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Foreign policy musings
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:45:36 GMT

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

>Nobody should be misled that the Gulf War had anything more than a thin veneer
>of "humanitarian reasons" to get involved.  The whole thing was about oil and
>its availability at low cost.  Period.  End of story.

Lest anyone think that the "rape of Kuwait" was not real allow me to point
out that both of the US female soldiers and some of the men were molested
by Iraqi soldiers. The one pilot was anally penetrated when she had 2
broken limbs. The conditions in Kuwait were in the same scale.

It is my opinion , that without the abuse there would have been on UN or
US military effort. If Iraq had occupied Kuwait in a "civilized" fashion,
then sanctions (not workable) would have been all that was tried. Kuwait
would now be the 19th province.



>So, this now brings us to the "thang" in Yugoslavia.  Don't touch it with a
>ten-foot pole!  We do not have a dog in that fight.  Whether the entire
>country is wiped off the face of the planet does not affect the U.S. not one
>jot nor tiddle.  We have no economic investment there and whether one faction
>or another rules that land has no affect on us.  It won't affect our national
>security and, even if a communist faction takes over, it has been shown that
>communism is a failed policy destined to the trash heap of history.

>For the U.S., the Yugoslavian situation is a non-starter.  Stay out!

>                                      - - - Murph

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The reasons to stay out of Yugoslavia are not that we do not have an
economic stake. The reasons are rather that there are no clear actions
that are beneficial more than they are harmful and there are no "good
guys". All of the participants are guilty of "ethnic cleansing" , so 
how can we help any of them.


Murph, your lack of compassion shows up in your posts about education and
now here in your posts about foreign policy. You have indicated that you
are strongly Christian, yet your attitudes are not even close to the
Christian charitable ideal and bear no resemblance to the teachings of
Jesus that are in the Bible. Even though I am not Christian myself, I
feel that I have learned more from reading the Bible than you have. You
should sit down and read it. Especially the New Testament.

Charlie

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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Homos in school, too? What next?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:12:30 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

...
>	And for a straight teacher who shows affection for a member
>of the opposite sex?  You are aware of course that molestation occurs
>7 times more often per capita among heterosexuls... (this is the case
>because a lot of molestation occurs as incest).

>BBC


According to the Merck Manual (one of the most respected medical
references) opposite sex pedophilia occurs twice as often as same
sex pedophilia. Two to one is a lot different from seven to one, and
given the percentages of homosexuals in the population would seem to
indicate that on a percentage basis that pedophilia is much less
prevalent in the heterosexual community. Even if we accept a very
loose definition (one that includes the majority of incest ) and
accept 7/1 we are still looking at a slightly higher prevalence within
the homosexual population.

I am not making a judgement here, just correcting some statistics. There
are all kinds of interpretations that one can put on these and I do not
have any intention of trying to do a detailed guesstimate of the reasons.


Charlie
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From: cher@ksr.com (Mike Cherepov)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Values matter.
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:19:44 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

In article <1992Aug20.173409.13809@osf.org> buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) writes:
>Maybe it's just me but I don't understand what all the uproar
>is all about.  Respecting the rights of others doesn't harm me
>or my family.  My kids aren't languishing in moral hell because
>Weld is considering letting some people in his administration
>obtain health insurance for their "spousal equivalents". 

This country's moral grounding has been in both the Bible and the
Enlightenment.  The battle for morals is as old as the civilization
itself and rapid scientific progress only makes it fiercer.  That
is what the uproar is all about.
You probably draw the line someplace which leaves you are unconcerned
at this point.  Eg, most people support tax deductions and benefits
(sick leave) for children - however many children one has - yet they
would oppose a polygamist's right for bereavement leave for his/her
multiple spouses.  Is such position wholly rationalist?  Religious?

As for Buchanan - both parties have their wild men.  Harkin would borrow
Juan Peron's economics; Jackson's pioneering characterization of Mary
(Jesus' mom) as a "single mother" beats Quayle's at his silliest.

	Mike Cherepov
		who is solely responsible for these opinions
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Wanted: Baseball Umpire position in or near Boston
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:49:29 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


A friend of mine is looking for a position as umpire for a baseball
league in or near the Boston area. He has about 5 years of experience in
this area. Please call Steve Prisco directly at 247-6741.
Thank you,
Steve
<selick@csa.bu.edu>
From: s9263@bunny.gte.com (Rajesh K. Sah)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Driving to New York City on Sep19th or Sep20th (weekend)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:13:59 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: GTE Laboratories
Originator: s9263@harvey.gte.com


If anyone has plans of driving down to New York City for the weekend
of Sep 19th and Sep20th and has space to accomodate another guy to
share the expensesof the trip, please send mail to me at

s9263@bunny.gte.com


- Rajesh