HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU (Dick and Jill Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: naturalization
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:07:48 GMT
Reply-To: Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
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us291442@mmm.serc.3m.com (Mark B. Mizen) asks:

> Could someone explain the naturalization process as in the
> following statement from an old letter:  "...Margaret Shannon
> obtained her second papers on November 5, 1887.  James Shannon
> took out his first papers on May 24, 1879 and he appears to
> have been born in 1844."  The letter is from the County Judge's
> Office in Cavalier, Pembina County, North Dakota and is dated
> December 6, 1939.
>
> What do first and second papers refer to?  What information
> do these records typically contain?  How do I go about requesting
> copies?

There were two sets of "papers" that an immigrant had to "take out".  The
first was a Declaration of Intent.  This usually done early-on and
signified that the person intended to become an American citizen.  Then,
after learning English and whatever else was required to actually become a
citizen, (s)he got a "Certificate(?) of Naturalization".  Both are very
useful genelogically as each has bits of information which is not contained
in the other.  You may also find that the two disagree in some details such
as arrival date, name of "old country" (as the borders shifted) or possibly
something else.

The papers from around the turn of the century (the only ones we have found
to date) usually have a photo of the person and some verbal description
(hair color, eye color, darkness of complexion, any scars, etc.).  It kind
of gives you a real feel for your ancestor that you don't get from
relatives.

--Jill

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Latin Anyone?
Followup-To: Latin Anyone?
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:13:03 GMT

Hi Mark,

  To get a history of the Western Ukraine in this time period, check the history
"Ukraine - a history" put out by Toronto University Press by Subtelny.  Univ. of
Toronto has a good scholarly reputation.

					Bohdan






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From: alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO ((Alf Christophersen))
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Just a test to check who is bouncing messages back to sender and
              not to list owner.
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:29:08 GMT
Reply-To: "(Alf Christophersen)" <alf.christophersen@NUTRI.UIO.NO>
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: "(Roots-l)" <Roots-L@Vm1.Nodak.Edu>

Checking who is behind CEO.

Normally all bounces shall go back to Roots-l and then bounce further to me.
(Yes, I have a huge backlog now of bounces which I haven't had time to read
because finishing of 1. part of a computer program project at work, using
all my spare time and sleeping time :-( )

This mail is to check whose subscription is bad.

PS. Fidonet is normally getting Roots-L mail via soc.roots, but lately one
gateway has started subscribing directly. Maybe this one is defect.

Alf Christophersen
Roots-L list owner
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:41:52 EDT
Reply-To:     Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
From:         Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
Subject:      Re: naturalization
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Carol (and other List users),

     The content of the Naturalization petitions varies
widely according to the time periods.  But it also depends
on the rules of the Court in question.  You must not assume
that naturalization records will contain that little information.
For two relatives that arrived in the US one year apart from
each other, I have two different levels of information (one is
distressingly similar to your g-grandfather's).

    Also,  don't ignore the people who witnessed the naturalization.
These people may be a part of your research.  In most cases, they
are friends, employers, local politicians helping a new american out
(and getting some votes), or neighbors.  If you get luckey, the
witnesses can be uncles, cousins, brother-in-laws, etc.  Some of the
researchers I know have done a quick search on the witnesses and
got new information on a stalled research line.

    My last thought (or maybe warning) is take the information on the
Naturalization petition very casually.  In my experience and that of
some friends, the information on them is often incorrect.  For example,
the clerk of the courts asks your g-grandfather what month, day, and year
he arrived in the US.  He needed a date or he got no petition, so often times
the actual arrival date is way off.   The other thing you fight is the
Clerk's ability to understand the accent.  An example of this is my own
search for a Kiniston, Co. Meath, Ireland.  There isn't one, but there are
several townlands that could be pronounced that way.

Keep Looking, the record you think will have no use to you may surprize you!

- Chris

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Christopher P. Munnelly           (munnelly@Xylogics.COM)
  Searching: Broderick, Cadogan, Cahill, Carter, Casey, Leonard,
    McDonough, McGlew, McLane, Monnelly, Munnelly, O'Connell, Ogden
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:42:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Janet.S.Lindenmuth@CYBER.WIDENER.EDU
From:         Janet.S.Lindenmuth@CYBER.WIDENER.EDU
Subject:      Regular Army Mil. Records
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

One of my ancestors served in the U.S. Army during the 1870's.  I have his
enlistment records from Nat'l Archives, but I didn't ask for pension records.
I somehow got the impression that these records only covered soldiers who
served during wartime.  Is this true?  I don't want to waste my time asking
for records that don't exist.

Thanks for any help

Janet Lindenmuth
Wilmington DE
INTERNET: oajslindenmuth@cyber.widener.edu

Searching: Lindenmuth, Broadt, Schell, Wismer, Anderson, Roberts  in PA
           Longest, Potter  in NC
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: Dick.Miale@bdragon.fidonet.org (Dick Miale)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Italy
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:39:03 GMT

To:spm2d@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu

Steve, wonder if you could post a msg in the Italian Cultural Newsgroup. Looking for the address of the Diocese archives for Pinerolo, Turino, Italy.
Reasearching: MIALE, RICCIOTTI, BUYER, GRANIERI, D'AMORE

 * Origin: The Skeleton Closet - 3 NODES! - Va. Beach, VA (1:271/23)
From: Jim.Agnew@bdragon.fidonet.org (Jim Agnew)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Next Roots Surname List Deadline: October 2
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:08:25 GMT

Karen E. Isaacson wrote to: All
on: 25 Sep 92  23:31:18
 concerning: Next Roots Surname List Deadline: October 2
 KEI> 1. The name of the family.
 Agnew
 KEI> 2. The earliest date for which you have information about the family.
 1807
 KEI> 3. The latest date for which you have information about the family.
 1992
 KEI> 4. The migration of the family.
 Donegore(?),Antrim Co., Northern Ireland > LeRaysville, Bradford Co., PA >
 Rochester, Monroe Co., NY & Lusk, Niobrara Co., WY

Please note that I am also the "Computer guy" for the Agnew Association of
America, and as such, can send & receive information on just about anyone
named Agnew (in the US at least). I am willing to field questions from
anyone looking for Agnew's!

Jim Agnew, 4 Kiowa Ct., Henderson, NV 89014 Tel. (702) 361-2410 eves.
                                                       794-1853 work
Internet:   agnewj@ymv5.ymp.gov
Internet:   jda@aip.org
Compuserve: 70617,2421
Bitnet:     jda@aip.bitnet
Pinet:      jda

... Searching AGNEW/DURGA/WOOD/DENNIS/SMITH/HALL/GREEN/DAVIS et al.
 * Origin: The GeneSplicer's BBS, Las Vegas, Nv. (1:209/720.0)
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:32:55 PDT
Reply-To:     John Pimentel <pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         John Pimentel <pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Better Yet
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>A quick solution would be to unsubscribe any
>users who specify this mail host.  It may seem cruel in the
>short term, but if the mail host is rejecting messages, the
>users aren't getting roots traffic anyway.
>
>What do the list owners think?

Yes, it would be cruel, a better solution is to ignore the bounce
(as the only one that is effected is the one that posts a message)
and it will all work out in the wash in a day or so, they probably
know they aren't receiving their mail, and if not will soon figure
it out.

Anyway, when the mail that is bouncing comes up against BDRAGON.
FIDONET.ORG the mail will bouncing back and forth as neither address
is currently correct.  How's that for your entertainment dollar?
"News at 11!"
Hope their feed is a local call as the reversal is immediate :->

John Pimentel
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:47:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Sven Hadenfeldt <hadenfeldt@CHEMIE.UNI-HAMBURG.DBP.DE>
From:         Sven Hadenfeldt <hadenfeldt@CHEMIE.UNI-HAMBURG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      List Statistics

Hi, curious as I am I did some statistics on the
list of subscribers to ROOTS-L. So for those interested:

Compiled from the LISTSERV-Subscriber-List  (Okt/15/1992)

Hidden subscribers : 5 , no more info on them <g>

Subscribers : 587  of which

Networks not associated with country of origin

Bitnet : 273
UUCP   : 1
COM    : 60
EDU    : 164
GOV    : 13
MIL    : 23
NET    : 5
ORG    : 1
       =====
total  : 540   (I wonder where you all come from, well mostly the US I guess)

Networks associated with a country

AU=Australia  : 7
BR=Brasil     : 1
CA=Canada     : 14
DE=Germany    : 4
FI=Finland    : 1
FR=France     : 2
IE=Irland     : 1
NL=Netherlands: 4
NO=Norway     : 3
NZ=N.Zealand  : 1
SE=Sweden     : 4
UK=G.Britain  : 3
US=US of A    : 2
              =====
total         : 47

Hope at least some found it interesting.
Sven
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:21:37 -0400
Reply-To:     "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      US Civil War Military Conscription
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Bill Green mentions conscription in Wisconsin during the Civil War.

Could someone tell us more about CW conscription?
How did it compare to more recent drafts (e.g. late 1960s)?
Did both the Union and the Confederacy do it?
Was a soldier generally serving the state rather than the country?

Who was eligible to be drafted?  My gggf ended up in an Ohio regiment
in 1863, although he was 39 years old and in poor health (he had
caught malaria during the Peninsular Campaign during an earlier
enlistment, and died of it in 1864), and I doubt he would have
enlisted again voluntarily.

Can we tell from military (or other) records whether a soldier
enlisted voluntarily or was conscripted?

aTdHvAaNnKcSe!
Carol Botteron     botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:58:24 EST
Reply-To:     EMLUCAS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
From:         EMLUCAS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      My surnames
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello, everyone--
I'm still in the process of learning the ins and outs of this great
list, but I wanted to go ahead and post a few of the names I'm researching.
I do plan to send them to the Surname lists in the near future.
Anyway, I am researching: APPLEGATE, BOYD, BUNGARD, COLES, DONAT, DUNDERMAN,
EDDY, GRAVES, HILL, KENTNER/KINTNER, LEWIS, LUCAS, OVERMYER, PERRY, PURDY,
REED, RILEY, SAVAGE, SNOOK, STUMP, ZUBER and others. The main areas of
my research are Paulding and Defiance Counties in Ohio and Allen Co., IN.
As I said above, I will be posting these names in the near future.
Thanks--

Elaine Lucas
emlucas@ucs.indiana.edu
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: new ideas?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:40:54 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: CompuData Inc.

dave.tait@canrem.com (dave tait) writes:


>  artificial insemination, two fathers - one mother
If I had knowledge of such a thing, I would treat it like an adoption. The 
genes are only with the donor (if you don't know who he is, you've reached a
dead end).  I don't think anybody has to real fathers or mothers.


>  surrogate mothers, two mothers - one father
Ditto.

> homosexual relationships - same sex marriage
I'll worry about that once they have children :-)


But the real problem you've pointed to is the tree that we all see that is 
direct-ancestor related.  I use box (groups) families to show
interconnectivity. I don't have a wall large enough to show everybody 
everywhere who's connected via genes.

fred

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:42:32 -0400
Reply-To:     "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@GIDNEY.OSWEGO.EDU>
From:         "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@GIDNEY.OSWEGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: naturalization
Comments: To: Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

A follow up on naturalization.  I located my grandfather's records in
Madison Co., NY.  Info was great, listed ship, origin, dates etc, etc. He
was naturalized 1920.

When I looked for my husband's g-grandfather's in Oneida Co. NY, 1867, I
was very disappointed.  There was literally nothing on it.  The names of
the two who supported him, his name and the individual signing for the
county.  The gal in the county office said it was a result of the time
(1860's) and the county.

Any thoughts out there.  I'd like to get several more for the 1800's but
wonder about doing so.  If there's no information other than the statement
of action, it can be a lot of work plus costs.   How would we know what
info was required in any county at any time.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Subject: new ideas?
Reply-To: "dave tait" <dave.tait@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:36:34 EST


Dear one and all;

 This note is some reflections that I have now that I'm sinking
deeper into the mire of genealogy.  It is something for all to think
about, but it is primarily directed to software authors who are curre-
ntly writting genealogy software or are contemplating doing so in the
near future.

 My first thoughts concern the actual appearance of the `relat-
ions' between one person & another - or between family groups.  Trad-
itional thought has all data gathered & presented/reported in a heire-
archal(sp?) fashion.  The results in a rough representation of a tree.
The problem with this is that it really ignores reality from any pers-
pective other than `self'.  If you look at the `pedigree' from the view-
point of anyone else on the `tree', some data is dropped in the reporting
proceedure, and others are picked up.  Obviously then, it is imposible
to do anything other than look at the data piecemeal.

 In my research, I've come across many `irregularities' which have
caused me to examine the features of all gene software very criticaly.  It
doesn't do me much good if two people are related, but the software won't
allow the hooks to be added between them.  And as modern society contines
to progress, the sociological and physical makeup of the `family' unit is
radically changing.  As far as I know, none of the current brew of packages
will allow for the following societal/technological changes to our relation-
ships.

  artificial insemination, two fathers - one mother
  surrogate mothers, two mothers - one father
  homosexual relationships - same sex marriage

 And as I ponder the gene pool within my family, a concept begins to
slowly dawn inside me.  The family tree is NOT TREE SHAPED at all!  In fact,
for you programers out there, it is far closer to a FRACTAL than anything
else  Perhaps some kind of scatter chart, even 3D might show this up far
better than any words I can think of.  But there is the germ of a concept.

Pick up this thread if you dare!  Waters are murky, but if all of us who
treasure the family tie work this out - then the next generation of Gene
software SHOULD be much better than anything we have now.


                      David A. Tait                              
O               @ C.R.S., Toronto, CANADA                       O
                                                                 
O Looking for the following surnames; DIBBLE, MANTON, ROBBINS,  O
  WISE, JACKSON(ENG.), JOHNSON(ENG.), HARDY, McCRORY, NIX & more 
O                                                               O

 

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From: fred@STSCI.EDU (Fred Romelfanger)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Coats of arms?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:46:28 GMT
Reply-To: Fred Romelfanger <fred@STSCI.EDU>
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I slightly different question for this list, but are there good places to
look for gif/jpeg/... of coats of arms?  I am looking for Hart and Carpenter
at the moment.  I figured it might be good for a cover page.

                            Thanks -- fred@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: dtj@caffeine.cray.com (Dean Johnson)
Subject: Re: It once was Austria but now is Poland ...
Originator: dtj@caffeine
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:16:36 CDT


In article <1992Oct13.151947.14086@midway.uchicago.edu>, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.232017.11169@ra.msstate.edu> mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
> >My Great-Grandfather was born in an area called Galicia, that was at
> >that time part of Austria-Hungary.  It is now South-West Poland.  How
> >should this be recorded.  I can't accurately say he was born in Poland,
> >but if I say he was born in Austria, people think of today's Austria.
> 
> Say "Galicia, Austria-Hungary"; no one will be confused by your using
> the name of a well-known kingdom which happens not to exist today, and
> any dictionary or atlas will show that the Galicia in Eastern Europe
> is now in Poland.  (If you have a town name, I'd say "<town>, Galicia,
> Austria-Hungary".)
> 
> Don't say just "Galicia" -- you don't want people confusing it with
> the region in northwest Spain.

It would be a good idea to add a modern day explanation of where it is too.
I have similar problems with an ancestor from West Prussia that is now Poland.
The modern day version is for the more casual reader or those without the
resources to make the translation.

	-Dean

Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: PAF to Document?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:54:44 GMT

I may have missed it at some time, but is there a way to output PAF
reports to a document? I've only been able to output to a printer.

Is that the only option or has someone written a utility for this?

Thanks, Diane K.

****************************************************************
*Searching: WEISNER/WIESNER, THULL, WALTER, PHLIPSEN, NOLIVIA, *
* WILLCUTT, NATHE, POEPPING, SCHULTE, and lots more. Mostly in *
* MN, PA, Germany, England.....................................*
****************************************************************
From: pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM (John Pimentel)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: REPOST: Announcing CMAPUG (Central Mass. PAF User Group)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: John Pimentel <pimentel@EARRTH.ENET.DEC.COM>
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Apparently-To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

On October 17, 1992 and every third Saturday of every month, the CMAPUG
(Central Massachusetts Personal Ancestral File User Group) will meet in
Marlborough, MA.  The coverage for the group is all of eastern Mass. most of
western Mass, the south shore, the north shore.

Directions:

From 495 take the Rte 20 exit to Marlborough going through 8 sets of lights
and at the 9th set taking a left.  Go to the end and the entrance is in front
after the stop sign.  LDS building.

From 85 (south of Marlborough) travel north until coming to the intersection
of Rtes 20 and 85 take a right and travel through 3 sets of lights and take
a left at the 4th set.  (See above)

From 85 (north of Marlborough) travel south crossing the intersection that
leads to/from Rte 290 and through 2 sets of lights and take a left travel
through to the next intersection that joins up with Rte.20 and travel
through a set of lights and take a left at the next set of lights.

From 117 (west of 495) take 117 east till either 495 or 85.

From 117 (east of 495) take 117 to Rte. 62 and connect to Rte 85 traveling
south.

From 27 take Rte 9 west connecting to Rte 85.

From Rte. 20 (west of Marlborough) travel east and add two sets of lights.

From Rte. 20 (east of Marlborough) travel west and take a right at the
3rd set of lights.

Landmarks at the turning off intersection are:
    Mobil Station  Cumberland farms.
    A left/right will place Cumberland Farms on your right

Short instructions are:  Take Rte 20 till Wilson Street and travel to the end
and after the stop (traveling straight ahead) is the LDS building at the
intersection of Hemenway Street.

Contact:
    John Pimentel
    (508) 568-8760
    47 Church Street
    Hudson, MA 01749
From: FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Minnesota.hstrcl.scty
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:52:37 GMT
Reply-To: FIEDLEKE@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
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Dear all,

Jerry Kattke says:

>There was a recent question about railroad records. "The Source"
>by Eakle and Cerny (p 340) says that the Burlington Northern,
>Northern Pacific, and Great Northern are at the Minnesota State
>Historical Society, Illinois Central and Chicago Burlington and
>Quincy are at Newberry Library in Chicago, and Chicago and Northwestern
>are at Northern Illinois University (DeKalb IL).

Does anyone out there happen to have the address for the Minnesota
State Historical Society?  My great grandfather worked on the rail-
roads all his life as did his father.  They were both from Minn.

Thanks.

Karen Fiedler fiedleke@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu