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From: THENDERSON@Library.MsState.Edu
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Subject: Use of the Internet
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:28:52 GMT
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I have been a subscriber to pacs-l for two days now and have already
received a number of interesting messages.  But two messages this
morning have disturbed me:  two different network users chose to
include brief political comments after their addresses.  Ok, I
believe in free speech and open communication, and all that stuff.
But I also do not want to see this list, and indeed, Internet, become
a ping pong table for political and social commentary.  I signed on
for professional reasons.  I want to learn from my colleagues.  But
this is not the place for your unrelated opinions.  See Lee
Jaffe's remarks today about what Internet is and how it can be used by
librarians.  Another writer this morning referred to "cybertrash," an
appropriate term for the things that clutter the discussion.  Let's
keep the discussion on professional issues for librarians and
information users.  Thanks.

Tom Henderson
Mississippi State University Libraries
From: kessler@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Kessler)
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Peter Scott,

That's exciting news that there's an Internet-available French opac!
I'm over there now, and there are some people here who'll be very glad
to hear about this. I just tried it, and did get through using normal
telnet (without tn3270), but they seem to require a login and
password: just hitting <enter> at their <.> prompt doesn't seem to
work. It'll be fun telling friends at the Polytechnique that they're
on the Matrix (they've all read William Gibson and think we're a
little wierd). Please advise?

Jack Kessler

kessler@well.sf.ca.us
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From:         Monica Marshall <MONICAM@library.lib.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject:      WAIS and Gopher (again!!)

Please reply to the author only, not PACS-L.  Thansk, Jill

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I'd firstly like to thank all of you who replied
to my message regarding information about WAIS and gopher. I
was in the process of transferring all the files to a
separate folder so that I could read them when I accidentally deleted
them all...(just when I thought I was getting the hang of things.).
I have been told that the files are unretrievable.

So, this is a plea to all of those same persons who helped me
the first time to please send me the information again.

Thank you.



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From:         Ivy Anderson <ANDERSON@BRANDEIS.BITNET>
Subject:      No-charge Access to FirstSearch

Please reply to the author not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

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The following message is being posted to PACS-L on behalf of a colleague
who does not subscribe to this list.  Please send replies directly to
Patricia Brennan at the address given below, not to me or PACS-L.

Thanks,
Ivy Anderson, Brandeis University
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What libraries are making FirstSearch available to patrons at no charge?
We are especially interested in comments re: patron satisfaction,
procedural/policy problems, ILL impact and reaction, and other praise or
pitfalls from medium-sized college libraries.  Rhode Island College has
7,000 fte students, 350 faculty, and 400,000 volumes.  We are contemplating
no charge access to some databases and would appreciate any feedback.

Many, many thanks!

Patricia Brennan
Head of Reference
James P. Adams Library
Rhode Island College
Providence, RI 02908

facbrennan@ric.edu
From: HANNAHK@PUCC.BITNET (Hannah Kaufman)
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Subject: Enhanced results from OPACs
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:26:33 GMT
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In response to Steven Stone's ideas about posting student
bibliographies, I recently attended a NJ ASIS meeting where Paul
Kantor, a professor at SCILS (School of Communication,
Information and Library Studies) at Rutgers, talked about a pilot
project with similar objectives.

When users search the OPAC, after they have received their search
results, additional software is activated which asks if they
would like to see related documents suggested by their
colleagues.  If they say yes, they are shown these documents.
They are also asked if they would like to link their suggested
readings to other documents in the OPAC.  Over time, this would
create an enhanced set of search results using another form of
relevance - feedback from students and faculty.

If I do not have this quite right, I hope someone from the project
will post more details.

-Hannah Kaufman
 Research Services/CIT
 Princeton University
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Subject: Bibliotheque National's Telenet Address
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:16:54 GMT
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Subject: Re: Bibliotheque National's telnet address
From: lou@engin.umich.edu

Jack Kessler, and others who are interested:

   I haven't had any luck turning up a telnet address
in any of the traditional sources (St.George, Hytelnet,
etc.) or from anyone on this list.  Almost all responses
I received asked me to share the information if I found
it.  I think your message explains the situation at BN
best; let's hope that there will be broader access to
their catalog in the near future.

--Lou Rosenfeld
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From: Peter Scott <scottp@jester.usask.ca>
Subject: Re: Bibliotheque National's telnet address

I know of only one French OPAC available on the Internet. PLEASE correct
me if there are more....:

                          Ecole Polytechnique

TN3270 FRPOLY11.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR
Hit ENTER on userid screen
Type DIAL VTAM
Select BI on Menu des Applications screen

To exit, hit the Telnet or TN3270 escape key

Peter Scott  scottp@jester.usask.ca
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From:         "(Stu Weibel)" <stu@oclc.org>
Subject: Re: Microform vs. CD-ROM

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Shirley Maul's questions about the future and digitization of microform
are important issues which are receiving close attention by the
Commission on Preservation and Access.  Their Newsletter (ISSN
1045-1919) is an excellent source of information and perspective on
these issues.

Commission on Preservation and Access
1400 16th St., NW
Suite 740
Washington, DC 20036-2217
202 939-3400 (voice)
202 939-3407 (fax)

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Stuart Weibel
Senior Research Scientist
OCLC Office of Research
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From:         Norm Desmarais <NP180003@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Printing from the OED2nd on CD
              5 Oct 1992 15:12:26 CDT from <beidler@shrsys.hslc.org>

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You indicated in your message that you're running CD-ROMs under Windows and hav
e protected yourself by limiting/preventing access to DOS and to Windows.  I th
ink a lot of people hesitate to run Windows in a public service environment bec
ause of the vulnerability issue.  Would you be interested in writing an article
 for CD-ROM Librarian about your experiences and solutions.  I'd like to publis
h something along that line.
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From:         "(Frank Chen)" <frank@MANUA1.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      RE: Incompatibility Among Library Catalogs
              "mulliner@OUVAXA.UCLS.OHIOU.EDU" at Oct 7, 92 2:40 pm

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The problem is about coding scheme - ASCII vs. EBCDIC(used by IBM
mainframe).

-Frank Chen
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:41:52 CDT
From:         PWILLETT@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject:      Electronic texts from Chadwyck-Healey

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The Main Library at Indiana University is considering the purchase
of the "Database of African-American Poetry 1670-1900" from Chadwyck-
Healey.  I'd like to hear from anyone who has used any of the full-
text databases from Chadwyck-Healey, like the "English Poetry Full-
Text Database" or the "Patrologia Latina," especially any comments
you might have on the search software.  Any other comments (e.g.
appropriateness of texts or editions, customer support) are also
welcome.  I can summarize for the list if there is any interest
(or response :-)).

Perry Willett
Main Library
Indiana University
Phone: 812-855-1891
Bitnet: PWILLETT@IUBACS
Internet: PWILLETT@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:34:20 CDT
From:         "Todd W. Schmitzer" <SCHMITZER@SCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Services via the Internet

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Hello,

        We have been currently converting many of our campus users
from a dialin type access to our network to direct attached networked
PCs.  In the process we have been trying to convert the method that
these users connect to remote services (like RLG, EPIC, MELVYL and others)
from modems and dedicated circuits to network connections via the internet.

        To our surprise many services have started to allow access to them
via the internet (Dow Jones, RLG, Dialog, etc).  But, we ran into OCLC who
is only providing FirstSearch and EPIC via the internet, but not PRISM and
ILL.  Talking with the OCLC support people, they explained that they are
being restricted by the internet governing body from providing those
two services because they are revenue generating.  This surprises us since
most of the services listed above are revenue generating.

        Can someone explain what the reason for this restriction and better
yet, why these services are being treated as different entities than the
others.  After that, can anyone point out directions to pursue that one
can take to try to get these restrictions lifted?

        Any help or comments would be appreciated!  Thanks!

Todd Schmitzer
Manager Library Systems and Support
Academic Computing Center
Santa Clara University

Schmitzer@scuacc.scu.edu or schmitzer@scu.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:40:32 CDT
From:         LIPPERT@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Meeting announcement

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               THE SOUTHERN OHIO CHAPTER of the
          AMERICAN SOCIETY for INFORMATION SOCIETY

                         presents

     Catherine Leininger, M.S.  &  Dieter Zirkler, PH.D.


               IF IT COULD ONLY TALK:

     PROBLEMS, SOLUTIONS and TRENDS at the USER INTERFACE


As information systems grow in their importance to a broadening
segment of the work force, the user interfaces to information
systems must meet the needs of this increasingly heterogeneous
group of users.  Until recently, developers of information systems
paid little attention to the user interfaces of their systems.
This presentation will identify problems with the user interfaces
of current information systems and describe the strengths and
weaknesses of recent attempts to solve problems at the user
interface.  We will use the recent trend towards natural language
interfaces as a case study in designing a user interface that meets
user needs rather than technical capability or marketing glitz.

Ms. Leininger is a computer scientist with Mead Data Central.  She
specializes in natural language systems, user interface design, and
database architecture.  Mr. Zirkler is a human factors psychologist
with Mead Data Central.  He specializes in usability testing, user
interface design, and application of total quality methods to user
interface design.


     TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1992

     Peerless Mill Inn, 319 South Second Street
     Miamisburg, Ohio  (513-866-5968)


Executive Board Meeting  5:00 - 6:00  (All members invited)
Social Hour              6:00 - 6:30  (Wine & soft drinks free)
Dinner                   6:30 - 7:30
Program                  7:30 - 8:30

Dinner menu:  Garden Salad, Chicken Kiev or Vegetarian stuffed
Zucchini, Green Beans Almondine, Carrot Cake, Beverage.

Reservations will be accepted until November 13 by
Yvonne Davis (Cincinnati)  (513) 684-4070
Judy Hecht (Dayton)        (513) 229-3024

Directions:  Exit I-75 at St. Rt. 725 (Exit 44), go west
approximately 3 miles to Second Street.  Turn left, go south 1.5
blocks.  Peerless Mill Inn is on the right side of the street.
From: ELLSBOB@MIZZOU1.BITNET (Bob Almony)
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Subject: Copies from MicroOpaque Cards
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:19:18 GMT
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Dear Colleagues,
if you would rather get copies from Micro-Opaque Cards without having
to spend over $5,000-$6,000 in computer equipment, and go through a
lengthy process, the MU Libraries will make hard copies for you at
a very reasonable cost, on your cards, or ours, for $5.00 (includes first
ten pages [or copies]) and $0.25 a page for each additional shot.

Please contact Kim Daugherty, Head of Ellis Library Copy Service,
314 882-7262 or 882-3398 for more details. Or email me if you wish.




Robert A. Almony, Jr.
Asst. Director of Libraries
104 Ellis Library
University of Missouri
Columbia, MO  65201-5149
(314) 882-4701 or -9167(voice mail)
e-mail: ellsbob@mizzou1 or ellsbob@mizzou1.missouri.edu
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From:         Bill Beeman <WBEEMAN@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory
              10 Oct 1992 10:58:18 -0600 from <barbwarn@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

On metaphor and environment, I would highly recommend
Mary Catherine Bateson's excellent book OUR OWN METAPHOR
which deals with a scientific conference on human culture
and the environment.
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From:         Barbara Warnick <barbwarn@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Regarding the rhetoric of environmentalism, I believe that there was
a conference at Alta, Utah two summers ago on environmentalism and
public controversy.  Can anyone provide this gentleman with info
about how to obtain the proceedings of that conference?  (I think
the Communication Department at the University of Utah would know
about this.)  One of our graduate students who is interested in
the controversy about Antarctica attended that conference and
presented a paper there.  His name is Jon Bouknight, Dept of
Speech Comm, DL-15, U. of Washington, Seattle, 98195.  Hope this
is helpful.

Barbara Warnick
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:23:25 EDT
From: <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Metaphor theory

----
I would appreciate suggestions of references to the works of specialists in the
area of metaphor/metaphor theory and discourse analysis. They could be from
speech communication, linguistics, English or other fields. I am working on a
manuscript entitled: "The rhetorical construction of radical nationalism at the
UN: Metaphoric cluster as strategy," whose reviewer tells me there are some
metaphor theories floating out there I have overlooked. What I drew from speech
communication journals don't seem to suffice-- Lakoff, Ivie etc. Please e-mail
replies to the above address. Thank you.
----
Akin Akioye
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From:         dabrent@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Re:Rhetoric of Environment
              814-865

See also Judy Segal, "The Structure of Advocacy: A Study of
Environmental Rhetoric."  _Canadian Journal of Communication" 16
(1991) 409-15.
--
Doug Brent
Director, Undergraduate Programme in Communications Studies

Internet: dabrent@acs.ucalgary.ca
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From: ST802157@BROWNVM.BITNET (Keith Rosen)
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Subject: Re: Metaphor theory
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:34:21 GMT
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Akin:
   There's a whole lot of stuff written on metaphor and discourse analysis
(I'm personally writing my thesis on the latter!).  For metaphor, try
Victor Turner's "Dramas, Fields, and Metaphors" (Cornell, 1974) and his
"Anthropology of Performance" (PAJ, 1986).  For a more philosophical treatment,
try Paul Friedrich "The Language Parallax" (Texas, 1986). For a basic text on
discourse analysis try the one authored by Gillian Brown and George Yule, and
also Michael Moerman's "Talking Culture" (UPenn, 1988)  This should give you
enough to chew on for a while--let me know if you find anything interesting.

                             Keith Rosen
                            st802157@brownvm.brown
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From:         "Dennis R. Hall" <DRHALL01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Director of Composition, Department of English
Phone: (502) 588-6896
Regarding contests of conservation, you might wish to write John
Cumbler, Department of History, University of Louisville (KY 40292;
Bitnet: JTCUMB01@ULKYVM) who is writing a book on same in 19C America.
Not right on the money, but doubtless he could supply some help.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:12:18 EDT
From:         Bill Beeman <WBEEMAN@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Some standard references on Metaphor:

Sapir, David and Christopher Crocker, THE SOCIAL USE OF METAPHOR.
Fernandez, James, PERSUASIONS AND PERFORMANCES: THE PLAY OF TROPES
   IN CULTURE. Indiana U. Press, 1986
Friedrich, Paul, THE LANGUAGE PARALLAX.  U. Texas Press, 1986.

Anthropology is chock-a-block full of material.  Check it out.
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From:         "(john pauley)" <jpauley@BACH.HELIOS.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: National Republican and Democrat Convention Speeches by Women

Erin,
The texts of Barbara Jordan's (1976) and Ann Richards' (1988) keynotes are
 avail-
lable.  The Jordan text is available in a number of sources. Both a video and an
accompanying transcript are available as part of the "Great Speeches" series.
Those are published by Educational Video out of Greenwood, Indiana.  The Richard
s' text can be found in _Vital Speeches_.  Geraldine Ferraro's acceptance speech
is also available in the "Great Speeches" series. I believe that there are texts
available for other women speakers at the conventions, but these are the ones I'
m sure of.
John Pauley
Saint Mary's College
<jpauley@bach.helios.nd.edu>
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:45:02 -0700
From:         Larry S Richardson <richardl@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Jimi Cantril was the Alta Conference contact person prior to the
conference.  Look him up in the SCA directory.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:22:58 -0400
From:         "(JOEL)" <bowman@GW.WMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Two books on metaphor not much read by rhetoricians are
Bandler & Grinder, THE HYPNOTIC PATTERNS OF MILTON H.
ERICKSON, M.D., and David Gordon, THERAPEUTIC METAPHORS.

Both books specifically address the issue of the deliberate
use of metaphors to effect change in others.
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From:         Tom Benson 814-865-4201 <T3B@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Metaphor theory

Peter Brosius asks about introductions to rhetoric that might
be applied to environmentalism. Among other things, I'd strongly
advise your dropping in at the speech department at University
of Georgia for conversation with Celeste Condit and Tom Lessl,
who could both provide on-target readings in rhetoric and public
controversy.

Tom Benson
Penn State University
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