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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Skate Canada - Full Results
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:35:32 GMT
Summary: You heard it here first!

RESULTS OF SKATE CANADA 1992, VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA
(free-skate results given in brackets)

PAIRS
1. Mandy Wotzel & Ingo Steuer, Ger., 1.5 (1)
2. Michelle Menzies & Jean-Michel Bombardier, Can., 3.0 (2)
3. Danielle Carr & Stephen Carr, Australia, 5.5 (3)
4. Elena Tobyash & Sergei Smirnov, Rus., 5.5 (4)
5. Marie Pierre Leray & Frederic Lipka, Fra., 8.0 (5)
6. Jaime Sale & Jason Turner, Can., 8.5 (6)
7. Katie Wood & Joel McKeever, U.S., 10.5 (7)
8. Laura Murphy & Brian Wells, U.S., 12.0 (8)

ICE DANCE
1. Susanna Rahkamo & Petri Kokko, Fin., 2.0 (1)
2. Icoslava Nechaeva & Yrie Chesnichendko, Rus., 3.0 (1)
3. Katerina Mrazova & Martin Simicek, Czech., 7.8 (3)
4. Jacquline Petr & Mark Janoschak, Can., 9.0 (6)
5. Elizabeth Punsalan & Jerod Swallow, U.S., 9.6 (5)
6. Shae-Lynn Bourne & Victor Kraetz, Can., 10.0 (4)
7. Elizaveta Stekolnikova & Dmitri Kazarliga, Kyrgyzstan, 13.6 (7)
8. Martine Patenaude & Eric Masse, Can., 16.0 (8)
9. Barbara Minorimi & Andrea Gilardi, Italy, 18.2 (9)
10. Ann Hall & Jason Blomfield, Brit., 19.8 (10)

MEN'S SINGLES
1. Elvis Stojko, Can., 1.5 (1)
2. Scott Davis, U.S., 3.5 (2)
3. Eric Millot, Fra., 5.0 (3)
4. Oleg Tataurov, Rus., 6.0 (5)
5. Cornel Gheorghe, Rom., 6.5 (4)
6. David Liu, Taiwan, 9.5 (6)
7. Patrick Brault, Can., 10.0 (7)
8. Jan Kannegiesser, Ger., 12.5 (8)
9. Shin Amano, Jap., 14.0 (9)
10. Gilberto Viadana, Italy, 14.5 (10)

WOMEN'S SINGLES
1. Maira Butirskaia, Rus., 2.0 (1)
2. Alice Sue Claeys, Belg., 3.5 (2)
3. Josee Chouinard, Can., 3.5 (3)
4. Tanya Harding-Gillooly, U.S., 6.5 (4)
5. Junko Yaginuma, Jap., 7.0 (5)
6. Tanya Bingert, Can., 9.0 (6)
7. Anisette Torp-Lind, Den., 11.0 (7)
8. Nathalie Krieg, Switz., 11.5 (8)
9. Marie Pierre Leray, Fra., 13.5 (9)
withdrew: Simone Lang, Ger.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: How do I skate backwards?
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov6.001057.15490@analog.com> paul.collins@analog.com (Paul Collins) writes:
> I've recently taken up inline skating and have basically figured out
> heel stop, T stop, skating forward and crossovers.  Now I'd like to
> start skating backwards and have a few questions.
> -How do I skate backwards?
> -How do I change from going forwards to going backwards and vice versa?
> -Could someone describe a backwards crossover to me?

I don't recall that these are in the FAQ although they have been
discussed here a few times.

I'd recommend getting one of the "how-to" books:

The Complete Skater - Joel Rappelfeld
Wheel Excitement - Neil Feinman
Blazing Bladers - Bill Gutman

None of them are magic, but they can serve to provide some help
and something to review when you're sitting back and recuperating.

Anyway the real quick answers:

Skating backwards - it really takes a while to learn how to stroke
going backwards.  Start by pushing off a wall or turning front-to-back
and then work on a stroking or in-out motion to keep moving.  Keep
fairly upright, leaning forward will keep anything from working.

Backwards crossovers - rolling backwards around a gentle arc, balance
on your "inside" skate, and let the outside skate slide around the rear
of the inside skate to that it "crosses" to the inside, then step
onto it and slide the other skate back into position.  Learn to balance
confortably on one foot while going backwards before trying this, and
stay upright, with knees bent and look backwards over your inside
shoulder.

Forwards to backwards - balance on your right foot, turn your body
to the left so that you are facing 90 degrees to your direction of
travel and your free skate is 90 to 135 degrees.  Let your toe drag
and shift your weight to that foot as your body starts to turn the
rest of the way.  The other foot will come around on its own, then
recover your balance.  Just twist, don't lean since any lean will
come out backwards as you turn.

Backwards to forwards - same idea, but practice the forward turn
and get comfortable with rolling backwards to that you no longer
have to do the toe drag big, just twist and shift, then the same
thing will work backwards...

These are kinda simplified and there are better and prettier ways,
but it should get you started.

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From: abby@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Abby Grossman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skate Prague and Skate Canada results?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:37:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

Hello,

I don't know much, but I spoke to Rudy Galindo's coach on Saturday.  Rudy got 
the silver medal, I think.  He got either 4th or 5th in the short, and 1st or
2nd in the long.  (I think he won the long, but am not sure).

That's all I know.

Abby
abby@cup.hp.com
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From: biske@cs.uiuc.edu (Todd Biske)
Subject: Re: AeroBlades vs. Roces Barcelona model
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:51:01 GMT
 
shandley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Simon Handley) writes:
 
>Does anyone know what the difference is between Aeroblades and the
>Roces "Barcelona" model?  
 
The Barcelona and the Aeros are actually quite a bit different.  Roces used
to manufacture all RollerBlade boots, but this is no longer the case.  
RollerBlade boots are now made my Nordica.  Anyways, here goes:
 
Similarities:
        Both boots are vented
        Both have Memory Foam liners
        Both use a three buckle system on the boots
        Both come with 76mm 78A wheels
 
Differences:
        Aeroblade boot is vented much better.  The vents are larger and more
          numerous.
        The Aeroblade boot is made from BladeLite (tm) while the Barcelona 
          uses the same material as the CoolBlade (polyurethane?) which 
          results in a 15% heavier boot.
        Aeros have a graduated brake, can also accept older style RollerBlade
          brakes.
        Barcelona uses a custom Roces brake, not commonly available for people
          in the cornfields of the midwest like myself. 
        Barcelona tends to run $30-$40 cheaper than the Aeros.  
 
I just purchased a pair of Aeros from Courtesy Sports in Los Altos (before I
drove back to Illinois for school) and did a lot of research on the Roces vs.
RollerBlade debate, and I think I bought the better skate.  That's an 
opinion however.  My final decision was made when I tried on BOTH skates at
Courtesy.  Then my mind was made up.
 
-tb
 
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From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Date: 10 Nov 1992 20:21:12 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

In article <BxIw0C.808@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v066pz78@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COMPUTER BLUE) writes: 
>How about the Zetrablade?

I'm pleased as punch with my Zetras.  However, I don't do much
backward stair jumping with them (or any at all).  I have done some
jumping around on them and I haven't noticed any problems.  I do have
some 78A wheels on my Zetras that I got for $20.00 at a going out of
business sale a while ago, but I don't know if that has any bearing on
my satisfaction or not.

Warner
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From: paul.collins@analog.com (Paul Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: How do I skate backwards?
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:10:57 GMT
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Originator: paul@loki

I've recently taken up inline skating and have basically figured out
heel stop, T stop, skating forward and crossovers.  Now I'd like to
start skating backwards and have a few questions.
-How do I skate backwards?
-How do I change from going forwards to going backwards and vice versa?
-Could someone describe a backwards crossover to me?

If these are in a FAQ list could someone Email a copy to me?

Thanks,
Paul

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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Cleaning bearings a waste of time?
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:09:59 GMT

In article <1d9aekINN29e@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM writes:
>On that same note, I wonder if putting your bearings in an ultrasonic
>jewelry cleaner would do the trick?

Maybe. Edmund Scientific sells a whole family of ultrasonic cleaners and
various permutations of cleaning solutions. For more than personal use, you
might want to try one of these.

--phil
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From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Subject: Protective padding for ice skaters
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:02:21 GMT

This month's Skating magazine has an ad for _Impactwear_ tights and shorts
 with padding in the hip and tailbone areas.  (the shorts look like bicycle
shorts with padding)  Their phone number is (303) 223-8576.  This sounds like
what the person with the question about tailbone pads to prevent injury when
falling was looking for.  A person who skates the same sessions I do uses this
and says he is more willing to try new moves knowing he won't be hurt if he 
falls.   
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Skate Canada - Full Results
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:46:29 GMT

In article <2202@sousa.tay.dec.com> gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com writes:
>Also, any information on why David Liu
>placed only 6th?

Unfortunately, the TV coverage was limited, and we only saw the last
flight in the free skate.  Certainly the results in the women's
singles competition were largely a result of almost nobody completing
a triple.



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From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: How do I skate backwards?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:05 EST  

In article <36801@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes...
>In article <1992Nov6.001057.15490@analog.com> paul.collins@analog.com (Paul Collins) writes:
>> -How do I skate backwards?
>> -How do I change from going forwards to going backwards and vice versa?
>> -Could someone describe a backwards crossover to me?
> 

My apologies for jumping in now; the news feed's been down and I just
saw this today (Nov 10). Others may have answered in the meantime.


>I'd recommend getting one of the "how-to" books:

In addition, since the techniques are pretty similar among all the
different types of skating, Laura Stamm's "Power Skating" can also
be helpful. This book appears to be specific to ice hockey but in
fact is useful for inlines and for non-hockey type skating.

The way I learned to skate backwards (on ice, but it's the same on
inlines) was by doing "swizzles". In this move, both feet are
doing the same thing, in mirror image, simultaneously. Point your
toes together and get on the inside edges of both skates; your feet
will move apart and you will move backwards. When your feet are some
comfortable distance apart, turn them so the toes are pointed outwards,
remaining on your inside edges.

This motion will get you accustomed to the sensation of moving
backwards, but is fairly inefficient. When you can do this readily,
switch over to moving one foot, letting the other one glide. This is
more comfortable for extended skating but is slightly harder to learn
at the start.



Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: HELP!! I CAN'T GET MY SPACERS OFF
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:19:03 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


Hi folks,

	I bought some after-market aluminum spacers and I must admit they
work great.  However, I now have a problem.  I'm trying to take off my wheels
butafter I get one of the axles off, the other bolt won't come out (i.e.,
as I turn the allen wrench, the bearings just spin).  
	Surely, whoever has spacers must have the same problem.  Can someone
out in netland give some good advice to one who needs his bearings repacked?

						Ken
						kcreta@sedona.intel.com
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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Skate America comments
Summary: xxxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:30:17 GMT

Bill Cornette wmc@photon.com wrote:

> counting on) a jump that she is not consistent with.  Everyone blows a
> jump from time to time (particularly a triple axel!), but I feel that a
> move should not be attempted unless the chances of landing it are pretty
> good.
>	Anybody else's comments?

The way the system seems to work is that skaters are penalized for not
trying the difficult jumps (even if they blow them).  ie a skater who
"plays it safe" will get marked lower than one who trys the tough jumps
and falls.  It is expected that even the best skaters will fall down once
or twice in a competition.  I've always believed that there should be 
more emphasis on style and less on jumping.  The most entertaining
skaters are the ice dancers who don't have to jump at all (you notice that
they almost never fall down).

Kevin Anderson
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From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Subject: Re: Skate America comments
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:13:21 GMT

Ed Russell (erussell@dvorak.amd.com) wrote:
: I haven't been able to catch most of the televised shows over the last
: few years - but from what I have seen I would definitely add Harding
: to the list of those that "go for it."
: 
: I was impressed with Harding because of her tenacity and unwillingness
: to give up trying the triple Axel even when she was having a lot of
: problems with it.  I believe that at a more recent competetion (worlds?) 
: she dropped it on the advice of her coach.  Hopefully she has put it
: back in by now.

	However, it appears that the judges (and rightly so, IMHO) have
penalized Tanya for continually failing in her triple axel attempts.  I
feel that they have been try to tell her that a triple axel is great,
but don't attempt it unless you can consistently land it.
	I may be forgetting a major competition (e.g., Nationals, Worlds,
Olympics), but I don't believe that she has landed a triple axel since
the 1991 Nationals -- meaning she lost it in the 1991 Worlds, the 1992
Nationals, 1992 Olympics, and 1992 Worlds -- and at least this year, she
appears to have been penalized by the judges for trying (and really 
counting on) a jump that she is not consistent with.  Everyone blows a
jump from time to time (particularly a triple axel!), but I feel that a
move should not be attempted unless the chances of landing it are pretty
good.
	Anybody else's comments?

---- Bill Cornette
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt)
Subject: Re: Abuse to skates from stair riding
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  8 Nov 92 23:32:18 GMT

In <92308.194841CXF122@psuvm.psu.edu> <CXF122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I was curious if anyone ever heard of massive failures to frames, wheels,
>bearings, etc. from stair riding.  I weigh about 200 lbs. and use 3 yr. old
>lightnings with the original bearings still in use.  Does this behavior tend to
>kill a skate or were they desinged for such abuse?  There are lots o' stairs
>here at Penn State (Univ. Park Campus) and I would hate to give up stair
>riding just because of some puss skates.




It's weird you should say that 'cos I just took up stair bashing myself,
and although I've only bashed up to 4 stairs so far, I've buggered up
practically all my bearings on my right skate (the one that takes all
the abuse with me)
I actually weigh about (2.2*60) (whatever that is) so i'm not that heavy
but none the less I've really done a bit of damage.

Good to see I'm not the only one with that problem!

 Simon

And now back to the show.....

>                             Chris
>P.S.  I really feel bad for you skaters that skate on other college campuses
>      where the cops suck.  Here the cops are way cool.  They even asked me one
>      time to go down a set of stairs so they could get a better look.  Not
>      all cops are fascists.


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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Re: Elvis spotted!(i.e. Stair Bashing)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:07:26 GMT

In article <Bx9286.C5H@inews.Intel.COM> kcreta@sedona.intel.com writes:
>
>> without a sufficient runaway...well, I recommend you jump them instead, or 
>> ride them backwards (much easier).  It's near impossible (at least in my
>
>Come again?  How is stair-bashing "much easier" while backwards?

Erm...well, maybe I should say "physically easier".  When riding backwards
it's actually smoother since your knees work much better backwards than
forwards in this situation.  The problem that nearly everyone has when
learning to go backwards is MENTAL.  "I can't see where I'm going!"  "I'll
fall over and crack my head open."  8-)  The first complaint is semi-valid.
Just look over your shoulder a little, but you gotta maintain your 
stance.  Turning your head often results in crashes, since the twisting 
around shifts your weight.  Of course it helps if you pick your steps
right.  Try to find steps that are wide open so people can see you coming
or steps that no one uses or pick a time of day when no one is around.
OR failing all that, have fellow skaters stand by the bottom of the steps
and watch for any incoming traffic.

The second complaint...well, if don't crack your head open going forwards,
you won't going backwards.  Your weight is still mainly on the uphill as 
before.  The only adjustment seems to be a slightly more knee bend.
Since your skates can stay a lot flatter (i.e., more parallel to the ground)
it's possible to do low-speed approaches to stairs.

Learning riding steps backwards is much like learning backwards crossovers.
You just need to reapply your skills for skating forwards (Yeah, I know,
easier said than done 8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: winter skating?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:11:46 GMT

I also have one of those little Cue lights. Made by VistaLite, about $15-$20.
I bought it this summer for biking and skating and I'd have to recommend it
to any night skater. Comes with a strap to wear on your arm, or you can clip
it to just about anything...water-resistant (mine's been er, dunked with no
ill effects).


-- 
Marc Sira               |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"
                        '
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:21:50 GMT
Subject: California-pro Cross Comp XT?????
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Has anyone heard of these inline skates?:

California-pro - Cross Comp XT
Model #3050244?
Ratchet buckle and lace system
Turbo core 70mm wheels and performance bearings

The are $100 off locally ($49!) and I was thinking they might be a good
choice for my girlfriend to try to see if she likes the sport.  She is
about 110 lbs so she won't destroy cheap skates like I would at 218 lbs
(I use Aeroblades - didn't want to take a chance with lower quality).

I guess I should call and find out what "performance bearings" means unless
someone is familar with this model.

Thanks in advance.
Kirk out
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From: v066pz78@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COMPUTER BLUE)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Cleaning bearings a waste of time?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.225131.6913@ll.mit.edu>, ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones) writes...
> 
>In article <1d9aekINN29e@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>On that same note, I wonder if putting your bearings in an ultrasonic
>>jewelry cleaner would do the trick?
>>
> 
>	Your mileage may vary, but I've tried a pretty heavy-duty U.S.
>cleaner w/industrial-grade solvent with little success.  But maybe I 
>just wasn't patient enough: I only left them in for 2.5 hours ;-)
> 
>Eric
If you really want to clean your bearings quickly and painlessly,

just use "GUNK Engine Brite" .  I use it on my bearings, and it 

gets rid of _everything_  (including grease, especially).  It has

a powerful spray that really gets the crap out of your bearings,

even if you leave both sheilds in.  (I usually do)  Just make

sure that you get all the GUNK out of your bearings before you

try to relubricate them.  For lubrication, I use 3-in-1 household

oil.  It seems to work better under wet conditions than the standard
grease.  (i.e. after skating in the rain, oiled bearings were still

rolling smoothly, while the greased ones weren't sounding as good.)

One drawback to using the lightweight oil is that it runs out of the
bearings somewhat, but I've gone more than 30 miles on mine without

relubing them, and they still sound and roll great.


					Bret
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