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From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Can he do this?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 08:53:15 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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The following situation is, of course, hypothetical.  Let's say you are hired
as a teller in a bank, with the understanding that you will continue to look
for a better job.  You don't find anything too soon, and relatively quickly
are promoted to new accounts.  Later, you piss off the person who hired you,
not purposely of course, but nevertheless.  Anyway, at your next performance
review, he tells you that he has no problems with your performance, agrees
that they are not using you to your potential (You are one of very few here
with a college degree), but will not promote again as long as you continue
to look for work elsewhere (This is a small town, practically everyone knows
everything you do).  Is there anything you can do about this?

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From: ericc@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Eric Cloninger)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Boulder and vicinity
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:31:33 GMT
Organization: SII Telco Systems Divisions
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In article <1992Aug11.145819.7697@infonode.ingr.com> new user,
yogesh@ys8046.b23a.ingr.com writes:
>I was wondering if anybody can give me information on the computer
companies located
>in the Boulder, Colorado area and vicinity.

Call the Boulder Chamber of Commerce and ask if they have 
a list of computer employers. This worked for me with the
Albequerque area. Some I can think of: XVT (the multi platform
'GUI' kit), NCAR (Nat'l Cntr Atmospheric Research, I think), USWest
Advanced Technologies. There are a lot of computer support 
companies in the area as well in Louisville, Broomfield, Longmont, 
etc. if you are looking at Boulder because of the University and 
want a school job.

BTW, if you have MPW/MacApp/C++ or Tandem experience, the
company I work for (in South Denver) needs one or two people.
EMail me a resume if you fit that description and are interested.
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From: 5375sethupat@vms.csd.mu.edu (Raja Vel Sethupathi)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: midwest area head hunter
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:13:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095F339.9B671FC0
Reply-To: 5375sethupat@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

I need some info. about midwest area headhunters. I am a recent grad. in
electrical engg. I really very much appreciate this kind help.

Raja Sethupathi
Lab: Dept. of EECE,
     Marquette University, Milwaukee, WI -53233 
     Phone - 414 -288-7324
Home:525, N.20th Street, Apt #302,
     Milwaukee, WI -53233
     Phone - 414-344-3520
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:00:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug12.202139.14188@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter
>Nelson) writes:
>
>|>   While I hate to be a trouble-maker (right, Peter, whatever you
>|>say)
>|>   I just have to ask:  why is vacation time an issue?  TANSTAAFL,
>|>and
>|>   all that --  SOMEONE has to pay for that European employee's wages
>|>   when he's partying on the coast of Spain or fishing in some lake
>|>   in Sweden or painting his house in a suburb of Munich.  More
>|>   vacation time translates directly into higher labor costs or less
>|>   productivity.  Look at Europe's cost-of-living sometime or their
>|>   share of the world market in any of the a number of major in-
>|>   dustrial sectors.   Personally I'd rather have fewer vacation days
>|>|>   and a stronger economy or more profitable company, than lots of
>|>   vacation time and watch my nation's economy or my company's 
>|>   fade to harder-working competitors.
>
>Strange thing, holidays do not seem to have any relation to the amount
>of work that gets done. Longer hours means reduced efficiency.
>
>The Germans seem to be perpetualy on holiday, 37 working days off a year
>is not unusual. Thats almost two months. Excluding the reunification
>problems there are few ecconomies that are more efficient.

  See the Economist, January 18th.  In the 1980's the US had FAR 
  higher growth in exports.  Actually, even France and the UK beat
  Germany by this measure.   Or consider the way German car companies
  have been taking it on the chin in the US market, getting beaten
  by both the American and the Japanese companies, after doing quite
  well in the 60's and early 70's.  Volkswagen's experiment at a US
  factory was a disaster, while the Japanese seem have been quite
  successful at the same game.  Let's hope that BMW is more successful
  but note that both BMW and the Wall Street Journal claim that lower
  US labor costs and comparable productivity was a factor in their 
  decision to move here.   Also consider Germany's chronic high unem-
  ployment rate, even before Unification it stood at over 8%, whereas
  in the depths of the current recession ours does not even go that
  high (so far).   Or look at the declining market share and red-ink
  at companies like Siemens and (former) Nixdorf.  The Washington
  Post National Weekly Edition, May 25, says that high labor costs
  and German laws limiting a company's ability to lay off unneeded 
  workers is a major problem at such companies. 

  I also saw an article inn the Economist, the date of which I can't
  recall, showing that the number of man hours it takes to build a car
  in Germany is slightly HIGHER than in the US, and MUCH higher than
  in Japan.   That doesn't sound too efficient to me.

---peter
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: ??DTP on misc.jobs.resumes
From: r-schoen@uchicago.edu (Rick Schoen)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:13:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Oriental Institute

Is the misc.jobs.resumes newsgroup an appropriate place to list a resume for
the desktop publishing field? If not, is there another newsgroup where this 
type of listing would be appropriate?

Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Rick
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: hougland@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Kriss A. Hougland)
Subject: People keep posting in misc.jobs.offered.entry for moderation
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:10:49 GMT

Is it just me or do people keep posting in m.j.o.e calling for a
moderator, but they don't post it to the correct group?

These people are rubbernecking in the place they should be reading, not 
posting.
(sorry for smoking)

Does anyone care to have a moderator to moderate the calls to moderate?

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Walter Lee)
Subject: actuarial science vs. computer science
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:03:41 GMT

(biographical essay, feel free to skip over if rushed)

Since I graduated non cum laude (2.8) from Michigan's famous school of
Liberalism, Socialism & Anarchy (LS&A, class of '87),  I've been doing
pink-collar temp jobs around metro Detroit.  Although I'm bored out of
my gourd, this lifestyle does have some redeeming qualities in that it
has exposed me to (IMVHO) enough industries and professionals to endow
me with an authentic sense of "vocation" in the mystic art and science
of software engineering.  In answer to this call I have spent the last
2.5 or so years enrolling in C-S classes various places around town in
a frantic attempt to change my major from math to C-S "retroactively".
My recent reading of misc.jobs.misc, and misc.jobs.offered, as well as
"shop talk" at the office tell me that is a bark up the wrong tree.:-(


(questions, essence of this post)

1. Do any actuaries or other insurance types read misc.jobs.misc?
 if so...
2. Have the educated masses caught wind of the alleged shortage of
   actuarial talent and gone and saturated that profession too?
3. Is insurance industry culture as depressingly white-collar as I
   think it is?
4. How much _technical_ use do actuaries make of computers?
   (I still have a sense of "vocation" in C-S (not MIS), see)
5. Since actuarial fellowship typically involves a decade or so
   of OJT, would the above mentioned sense of vocation count against
   an entry-level applicant?
6. How picky are they about college grades?
7. Is actuarial science a viable choice of first real job?
8. Will computer science (IYHO) ever again be the above?


Thanks in advance to the picked brains.

email responses preferred,
but only because I haven't found a "short-distance" p.a.u.,
so I read news only on rare occasions
I suppose general interest answers should go both routes.
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the former N8CHZ                                               sysguru wannabee
lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us                                            Desperate
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Working for free
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:47:14 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

uekenned@mcs.drexel.edu (Eric Kennedy) writes:


>People don't "pay all kinds of money to go to school to learn very little of
>practical use"; they pay all kinds of money to learn something practical but
>colleges lie to us and tell us that what they teach IS practical.

I disagree. Practical knowledge is to be had at a vocational school. A 
university is to teach you how to learn and give you the basics to learn with. 
The rest is really up to you.
fred
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli)
Subject: What is a good GPA? 
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:46:32 GMT

hi there,
What GPA is considered to be good by the companies? Is it above 3.0 or above
3.5 or above 3.7 or between 3.9 and 4.0 (on a 4.0 scale)? How important is 
GPA in getting a job? Will companies give high priority to GPA? How important
is the school? Is it true that the name of school will carry a lot of weight?
Any suggestions/comments welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ew@cs.brown.edu (Eddy Wong)
Subject: Looking for info about Cap Gemini America
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:01:29 GMT

I am looking for information about a computer consulting company called Cap 
Gemini America and its parent company Cap Gemini Sogeti, France.
I would appreciate any info from past/present employees or any other
experience with these companies.

(Yes, I already looked at the standard sources, there isn't much about them).

Thanks in advance,

Eddy.
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>>>>>>>   A Press Release from the American Engineering Assn.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:51:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

 
>                 ENGINEERS SEEK IMMIGRATION RELIEF
> 
> The American Engineering Association's president, Billy E. Reed,
> announced the association is seeking relief to the unemployment
> problems of the enigneering profession through neew immigration
> legislation.  Reed is asking the House Subcommittee on
> International Law, Immigration, and Refugees to re-examine the
> Immigration Reform Act of 1990 which tripled the number of visas
> available to foreign engineers ans scientists as well as gutting
> the labor certification process.


This subject has been quiet for awhile since Irwin Fuerst
passed away.  Oh well....

Although I too like the idea of limiting the supply of engineers, 
this idea is nothing but racist hogwash.   It is the exact same
accusations that were made by the Nazis in Germany during the 
1930s.  They argued that the immigration of Jews to Germany was
ruining the economy. 

If you wish to limit the supply of engineers, there are other 
approaches that are more productive...

	- Increase standards for both undergraduate and graduate
	accreditation.  Force students to spend more time in 
	school to get their engineering degees. 

	- Force licensing of engineers.  I heard that New Jersey
	has tried this. Maybe we could have a federal law. 

	- Force "n" hours of yearly school work for continuing 
	education every year to maintain the license.  Most
	engineers concerned about limiting the number of engineers
	tend to be older engineers. They have gradually become more
	focused and lost much of the necessary breadth. 

	- Lower wages... This will certainly decrease the number
	of engineers. 

Thank you. 

					Steve Simmons 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Working for free
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.024413.20152@ee.ubc.ca> rsemenof@ee.ubc.ca (SEMENOFF ROBERT) writes:
>Up to now I've just been expecting to get a full time salaried job
>but now I'm thinking that it might be better to say
>"I'll work for free for a while just to learn".
>After doing that for a few months, I might then ask for
>money or take my newly acquired skills elsewhere.
>
>Does anyone have any comments on this ?

Actually it might be a good idea, I can see that people will claim that
it isn't real experience since you can't be fired for working for free :-)
But on the otherhand you will get some real experience and if you do
a good job references.

>Of course it would be hard on me because I'd have to
>work part time at a paying job to sustain myself.
>Also, what would a potential employer's response be?
>(This guy must be a real loser if he'll work for free) ?

While I was looking for contracts in the past few months, I started
volunteering time to help write numeric analysis software for an astronomer
so he could analyze data he was gathering. As a result I'm learning numeric
technics that most people don't even know exist from the people who
discovered much of the theory behind them, and they are getting software
which very few astronomers would have the time to learn how to write.  

On the other hand some places view volunteers as people who don't know
enough to get a job so they will give volunteers the stuff no one else
wants to do. Remember if your volunteering your under no obligation to
take a floor sweeping position :-)
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From: lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:50:39 EST
Organization: Test PLease ignore

In article <Bt4pp3.Dq@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
> 
>> I suspect that total U.S. GNP would increase if Americans had more
>> vacation time.
> 
>   Suspect all you want but offer some evidence.
> 
>   Look, in this economy companies are always looking for ways to boost 
>   productivity and gain some kind of edge.  If shortening working
>   hours was the key then you'd think it would be more widespread. 

You would think that companies wouldn't go rushing around trying out
all the latest "management theories" (as if the latest one answers all
ills) either.  It happens, though, and companies will sometimes be using
antithetical management schemes within a period of a year or two.

Anyway, I think the average American wouldn't know what to do with more
vacation time.  My own father was like this.  Most have become accustomed
to 2 weeks, and accept it without thinking twice.  Some people make their
entire life revolve around their job, and would probably rather be there
most of the time anyway.  Others view their job as a way to make money,
and would rather be doing other things, like travelling.  These are
probably the people who would want more vacation.

Ed
From: gburke@unix2.tcd.ie (Garrett Burke)
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:31:40 GMT

In <1992Aug22.040952.7275@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> david@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (David M. Alexander) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.162607.7540@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
>>> What's the big deal of shaving off a beard anyway?
>>> Most of the time, it just itches and looks unkempt....
>>> 
>>> And there are many more important things to devote one's energies to.
>>Not according to some of these wimps...it's the *PRINCIPAL* of
 Ha Ha

>>the thing, you know :-)

Companies not wanting people with Beards is just
another case of wanting every body to conform.
Uniforms give identification to workers, yet there
are many groups who are recognizable from there
position.
i.e Bank clerks in Ireland wear unifroms, yet who
else would be behind the counter??

If you are happy to conform, including the clothes
you wear, your hair style etc then go with Tom
Fisher's view's above.

If you like some sort of personal idenity then
changing your hair style or your clothes or growing
a beard is one way of doing it.

Nobody should be asked to change their personal look
without an explanation from their boss.  If it's not
good enough then say so and discuss it.  Company
policy isn't always correct!!

>Actually, some people just get really bad razor burn due to one or all of
>very coarse facial hair which is hard to cut without cutting skin also,
>curly facial hair which gets ingrown and infected, and/or very soft and
>sensitive skin which cuts easily.  There is even a medical condition some
>people have that makes it next to impossible to shave; I remember a driver
>for UPS sued them over their no-beards policy because he had this condition
>and could not put up with shaving anymore.

>But if you grow a beard, you should keep it as neat and well groomed as you
>ought to keep the rest of yourself; and if a beard interferes with workplace
>safety then you either shave it off or don't get the job, because safety
>requirements far outweigh any reason to want a beard.
	I agree with the above.  Most personal
	prefernces should out weigh safety.
	Also I think the catering industries have a
	valid point as well over beards and
	including long hair. Short hair & a catering
	hat are a must.

>Just my two cents.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo)
Subject: help
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:53:59 GMT

A friend of mine fell into a situation which need advices from your netters.
He applyed a job in US from Canada several months ago. The employer in US
has agreed to accept him and start procceing his H-1 visa. The first step 
is sending his document for evaluation. While waiting for this evaluation,
he changed his mind because of personal reasons. While he tell the employer his
recent thinking, the employer told him that the payment for processing
his visa has been paid to the lawer and he can not change his mind. They 
originally had an agreenment that both sides will share this payment to process
visa and his part will be paid from his salary after starting work. BTW, the
employer never send a acceptance letter to him and all those agreenment are
made on the telephone. Also, during all these waiting time, he was not sure
whether he will get visa or not . He even dos't know whether the employer
will change his mind because this employer keep telling him that it is still
in the evaluation stage   ? Any advice ? Thanks.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: uekenned@mcs.drexel.edu (Eric Kennedy)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Working for free
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1992Aug16.205350.17872@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
>
>The most difficult part in hiring trainees is funding their learning curve.
>People will pay all kinds of money to go to school to learn very little of
>practical use and get paid nothing for the privilege of learning but give them
>a job where they would learn something and they expect the moon and the stars
>right away.
>
>It always seemed a bit backwards to me. And the idea of getting paid
>'something' to learn so that a better job can be had later seems to be totally
>out of style. It has always been the apprentice system of old where you would
>start by sweeping the floors and work from there as far as you could go with
>your own initiative.
>
>I would say go for it but ask for something so that at least you could devote
>full time to the job. If you're good, you soon be too good not to be paid a
>regular salary. I'll guarantee it.
>
>W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM

I agree you should ask for some type of salary, not just to feed yourself but 
to get a return on your investmest in college.

People don't "pay all kinds of money to go to school to learn very little of
practical use"; they pay all kinds of money to learn something practical but
colleges lie to us and tell us that what they teach IS practical.

If we have been screwed, let's carry the tradition. Ask for a salary.

Besides, when you get really good, they'll hire you for a few thousand less
than the guy who just graduated and knew less than you when you graduated.

At least you'll have a job.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bhingard@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Siddharth Bhingarde)
Subject: Needed info. on Recruiters in VLSI/MCM CAD area
Keywords: headhunters, recruiters
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:57:51 GMT

Need info. on the headhunters or employment services specialized in
VLSI/MCM CAD area. Thanks in advance.

Siddharth

bhingard@sol.wmich.edu