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From: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: PerSONal to J. ROss Mc<Kay
Reply-To: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:17:53 GMT

Hi, Ross. Couldn't get thru to your virtual self. To the best of my
(^&*%) memory, that show was indeed 6/20/83. I remember going back
the next night to do it all over again, on the mud. Prodigious night
for a meeting of the hearts, no?

 [For anyone else who is reading, yesterday Mt. Abe was dressed in a white]
 [shirt, and red pants, meaning the upper 2,000' was dusted in snow, and the]
 [lower 2,000' was crimson and pink from the leaves. Driving along the old]
 [dirt road today, the wind and snow had brought down the brightest and]
 [earliest maple leaves, leaving them in circles of different colors,]
 [underneath the trees that dropped them. Looked reminiscent of the]
 [Candace colors playing in circles over the crowd. In fact, it looks]
 [pretty durn pscho-deliac up here, if anyone is itching for an excuse]
 [to blow off work, and drive to and thru Vermont this weekend. :-) ]
             Footprint nothing but leaves,    andy

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From: russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: fave-o-rit venues
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:32:05 GMT

>Lara writes:
>>(Galen Watts) writes:
>>place, Red Rocks.  Now, Red Rocks has become a top heavy metal
>>venue while Telluride is just another trendy Colorado mountain
>>town like Vail or Aspen.  Ah, the good old days, when there was no
>>roof at Red Rocks and equipment came up the hill in pickups
>>because the semi's didn't fit.

>what???? Huh?!?!?!  WHEN did they put a roof on red rocks?  
>major bummer ........

I think he's refering to the scaffolding-like roof that protects the
stage area.  There is no roof at the Rocks.  Except the Milky way galaxy
above!

>by the way, there really is no comparison between vail and aspen:
>vail was built as a ski resort for the retch and famous; aspen was a
>mining town that's been around a long time, which happens to attract
>the retch and famous;
>[Aspen] originally did exist for a reason other than to give the jet set a
>place to park their lears, thus is does have quite a bit of history
>and charisma.

Huh?  We need a little history lesson here.

Vail was built in 1962 for....SKIING!  It was a sleepy little ski
town for more than a decade until the boom hit in the seventies
and skiing suddenly became "cool".  Also, it wasn't until the
Eisenhower tunnel was completed in '74(?), which greatly reduced the drive 
from Denver to Vail, that the Vail Valley experienced massive growth and
became home to the "retch and famous".  At the same time, a couple of
valley's over, Aspen was being spoiled by the learjet crowd, which
would soon discover Vail, and then Telluride.   Neither town has been the same 
since.  They both are mountain *cities* and are struggling with the big city 
problems of growth, greed, crime,  etc.  while their mountain charm sadly 
fades away.  

That Aspen is somehow more legit, because it began as a mining town and 
Vail did not is bunk.  The Vail valley has a mining
history too, but who cares?  These towns are so far removed
from their mining pasts.  Modern Aspen history and charisma?  It means that 
back in the 80's you could still buy a home in town for under 
$1,000,000 and the cops somehow managed to maintain law and order without their SAAB turbo's!

Vail vs. Aspen.  Six of one - 1/2 dozen of the other.  They're both *way* 
overexposed and pricey for my tastes.  Besides, Crested Butte makes them 
both look like Cleveland! :-)

    glenn
    (a member of the Redcliff jet-set    :-)

PS -  Add The Downs at Sante Fe to the favourite venues list.

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From: Henry_Burdett_Messenger@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  Favorite Tours
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:05:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Sep.29.21.51.50.1992.19706@gandalf.rutgers.edu>

Gary Burnett writes:

> On tape, the show two days later at Shoreline (1st set Dark
> Star & a *great* Scarlet>Victim>Fire to open the second set)

August 17, 1991. I was in the seventh row at this show, and it
was *amazing*. A couple of basically non-Deadhead friends of 
mine were there too, and they definitely "got it." Typical
comment was "Why would Bruce Hornsby want to play with anybody 
else? The band's hot, and the audience is the best!" 

So -- tape grovel: does anybody have killer DATs of this show?

Henry B. Messenger KD6EFY    "Ren, are you _angry_?"
 henry_burdett_messenger@    "You're darn tootin' I'm angry!"
  cup.portal.com
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From: CT.MSM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michael Mulcahy)
Subject: Favorite Venues
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:09:48 GMT
Re: Favorite Venues

Well, Frost Amphitheater was walking/biking distance from my home
and with all those trees, ahhhhhh, the memories!  The Dead played
some great May shows from 84-89, but my favorite was a summer
pair ('83, I believe) where we had extras, but had to give them away
for half face (about $7 per ticket) because the Dead couldn't sell
out Frost during Stanford Summer Session.  Any of you Dead
historians have the dates and setlists to these two?  Greek was
lots and lots of fun, someone mentioned being able to see everyone
dancing in that steep bowl.  Kaiser and SF Civic were great indoor
venues, but my all-time favorite indoor venue was Zenith in Paris,
France where one could easily drift from their seat to the stage
rail and back again (all during a single song!) and the light
shows in the air-filled dome were most surrealistic.  My only tour
is my favorite - Europe '90 - although some recent Expo-to-Shoreline
swings have been most fun.

Mike
From: speed@wharf.UUCP (carl mead)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry Joins the Geezer Set
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:50:26 GMT
Organization: Fisherman's Wharf BBS  (215) 383-7245

> Maybe Jerry and Bobbie will do "Billy Joe McCallister" on Keilor's radio
> show.
> 

Grovel time:

On the original Prarie Home Companion, Garrison did a couple of the boys 
tunes (I've been told), does anyone have a copy of this???

Peace,
        Carl
From: fish@clubzen.fidonet.org (Rob Fish)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: <R>< Email
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 11:38:53 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Clan Zen Relay Network, Mountain View, CA

Hi there.  Apparently, there is some difficulty at my site
wrt mail.  I am still here; however, note that some, if not
all of mail to me has been swiped by a virtual rimrunner.
Snailmail is outside of the swine's reach!  Try the following:
Rob <><
100 West El Camino, #56
Mountain View, CA 94040

Ohio go zimas!
:)


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From: les@bach.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Subject: Tape ID please...
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:09:32 GMT

Well, lets try this again...(my terminal got hung up on a minute ago so...)

If some kind soul would happen to remember the Venue/City for 2/18/71 could
you drop me a note?  I'm trying to label a tape, and don't have my DeadBase
handy...Thanks in advance...

Peace,

Matt

-- 
Matthew Reed Templeton  			  aka les@chopin.udel.edu
  Life is a precious thing - don't let it slip away.  In other words...
			  LIFE IS SHORT, PLAY!
			Smile 'til it hurts! :^)
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Subject: Re: My "future" favorite venue...
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:35:12 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <1992Sep26.162635.15093@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> wuly@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Howdy Folks-
>	Speaking of MFVs (My Favorite Venues), I was passing through Memphis
>Tenn. this summer (from Ithaca to Austin by Greyhound :-() 

I'll give you a triple :-( :-( :-( for that trip, there's buses and
then there's Greyhound buses.

Hats off to you for that trip:-)
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: The "cool venues" thread continues...
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.164705.5862@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>Definitely neat, but the Carrier Dome has *horrible* acoustics, probably
>the worst in an upstate NY venue.  Can you say "echo"?;-) 


SO! This should be a problem, for the ULTIMATE GARAGE BAND! 

			
SO! What the hell am I doin' here on Saturday??????????????????

AAAAARRRRAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
> | John J. Wood                              jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  |
> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
> |			PLEASE GET WELL, JERRY!!!   			  |
> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
> | "One last voice is callin' you, and I guess it's time you go..."       |
> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*

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>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
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From: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: favorite venues
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:23:27 GMT
Reply-To: SCHUBERT%MIDD.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

rob sez:
|What about Merriwether Post in MD? The first time they played there,
|there was a tremendous lightning storm.

Well, since Rob and I met after one of those great Rochester shows,
85?, (hi, rob!), I'll join in this thread here thankyou. :-)
As one of the lawn folk that night at Merriwether, I can attest
that the lightning struck, not once, but at least three times, a
large white electrical box behind the stage. Each time the bolt hit,
the power would go off, the music would completely die, and then in
5 seconds or so, groan back up to life. Each time this happened, the
band never missed a step, or beat, but as the power came back each
time, it would find them charging on, maybe up a level or two, but
WithOutMissingA Beat! This time in space found me asking people who
were leaving the pavilion for their stubs, so's me an' Bessie could
get some cover. Yikes! I've stood through some incredible conditions
at outdoor shows since, because I always think of what I've seen
the band play through. (Deluge at Giants, anyone?) Well, it rained
buckets that night, ruining the lawn, causing us to be led a mile
through the dark, because the way out was flooded. The motorcycles
were pretty much completely submerged back at the parkinglot, and
they never did fix that lawn for the rest of the summer. So that
all the Linda Ronstadt fans had to put their blankets down on mud,
and know that it was those durn deadheads who ruined it. Hey, why
dont we get to go play there anymore?
 Ah well, another memory from someone who loves to recall:
AUgusta Maine    Rochester NY   Merriwether Post, Md  Niagra Falls NY
LAke PLacid NY   Portland Maine  Albany NY  Providence RI
The best kinda memories if your livin east coast time ;-) ;-)
  Thanks for all the great stories you guys              andy
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: 35 days (AGAIN) Re: Late refunds
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:58:09 GMT

In article <1ac81bINNje4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright) writes:
>
>In a previous article, gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards) says:
>
>>In article <1992Sep29.005413.1418@u.washington.edu> ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade) writes:
>>>I mailed my Veneta tickets back the week before September 12.
>>>I haven't received anything yet.
>>>Am i the only one?
>>>Should I start worrying?
>>
>>I mailed my Veneta/Shoreline/BostonI tickets back within days of the notice.
>>I think this was like the 3rd week in August.  And my refund just came
>>a week or so ago.  I'd take it easy and wait.  Assume GDTS will put a message
>>on the hotline when everything's been mailed back.  Good luck!

[serious deletions occurred here ... ]

>Some folks may wait
>4 or 5 months (or years) to send their tix back.

I never did get my refunds from shoreline/91 after brent died.
'course that could be 'cause i kept them ... i'd bought the
tickets THE DAY BEFORE.  we miss you, brent.

lara
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From: geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Geoff Wells)
Subject: Clinton Gore on line!
Keywords: No ODC
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:16:43 GMT

No ODC here, just some more people on the net that you can commend or flame.
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From: jonnyk@getafix.cs.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Dennis Kirshbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: What gives?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:06:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct6.170637.28994
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

Hello, y'all,

I was just listening to the '68 tree tapes.  I posted once
before that they didn't match at all with Deadbase, and never
really got a satisfying reply.  Oh well, I'm not anal about it
that I can't enjoy great music just because I don't know its
source...

Anyway, not to cast any aspersions, but there are some brutal cuts
on my tapes - Dark star starts after the first verse, lovelight
is cut off, and some of the shows don't sound as good as others.

What I'm asking now is if anyone has tapes from the same time period
and of the same ultra-ultra (ie Live Dead) high quality that they
would want to trade my way.  My appetite has been whetted and I want
more, preferrably without any cuts...  I have lots to trade, but I
am looking only for the superkind.  Plesae email me:

jonnyk@cs.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Re: Rochester
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.165149.19512@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> you write:
|Wharfie replies...
|>	Too bad...  Last time I was there was '88 and I was positively
|>comfortable.  Wonder if the Deadheads would replace the criminal element
|>long enough for a couple of shows?
|
|That's what happened in '87 & '88 - the sheer numbers of heads
|alone eliminated that.  I would also argue that the area has worsened
|in the past three years. 
|

I'll back up Catfish on this.  That area is one of the areas that I 
always get tense in.  I always look around a lot and check my mirrors
much more when driving through there.  Of course, it's not the worst
place in Roch.  In some places I wouldn't even stop at a red light if
I was foolish enough to end up there!

Rochester has seriously been looking into different areas to build a 
new stadium.  One of the major reasons is that Silver Stadium is up
to major league standards, but another big factor is the neighboorhood.
At the beginning of the Red Wings season, about 7 players left their 
cars there while on the road, only to find out they they all got 
broken into.

Al Sodoma          



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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Grateful Dead and Cats
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:52:36 GMT

reference to jerry's "like licorice"


sort of tangiential:  just got my RS, and it's got 25 years of
interviews, including of course, Garcia, '91.  there are some
kickin' interviews of some pretty interesting people there, needless
to say.  i was surprised that they used such a recent interview, for
jerry, since they've done them MORE than once, and also since the
interviews date from '67.  also interesting to read the
interviewer's comments about the RS loving the dead, then blasting
them up until IN THE DARK came out.

now i've gotta go see if i can find the 20th anniversary interviews
mag to see if they did jerry then, and if so what date that one was.

pick it up!

disclaimer would be put here if i had the type to type one on (no i
don't work for RS!)

lara
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Americans Feel Good About the 21st Century
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: skcla.1992Sep30.130929.1
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: julien

In article <1992Sep28.200445.15487@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com> writes:
> 
> From Reuters News Service comes this report:
> 
> 75 percent said scientists will find a cure for AIDS 
  I'd put money on a vaccine (or set of such, like the flu shots), but
  a _cure_ is a loooooong way off.

> 80 percent expect a cure for cancer.
  What I said already.
  This one is even tougher.  Maybe a few specific cancers, we've got great
  results on some leukemias already.  Again, prevention is more likely than
  cure.

> 76 percent optimistic about the prospects for a woman president
> 76 percent optimiatic about the prospects for a black president
  Just who did they survey?  I didn't think our nation was this liberal.
  There's hope for us yet!

> 75 percent expect that cars will no longer run on gasoline
  Change that to "...cars that don't run on gasoline will be available..." and
  I'll buy it.

> 41 percent expect that the world will be in better shape by the end of 2100
  What's wrong with round :^)

> 53 percent of Americans believe the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will 
> occur sometime in the next 1000 years.
  1000 years? I predict in the next 10 we'll have thirty or forty of 'em.
  The _real_ one probably would get lost in the crowd.

How many thought the dead would still be touring in the 21st century?

-- 
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From: jko@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: HALLOWE'EN TICKETS!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:25:26 GMT


Just got off the phone with BASS, and got my JGB Hallowe'en tickets.

They cost me around 27.50 charged to my credit card.  Unfortunately,
the U2 show in the Bay area also went on sale today, making it impossible
to get through on the phones for over an hour!  For those who are
looking for the number:

BASS Tickets Charge-BY-Phone (510)762-2277
			     (209)952-2277
			     (408)998-2277

Trick-OR-Treat!  JERRY ME!
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Howzabout a new newsgroup?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:42:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct5.224242.28553
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Something like rec.music.neil.diamond.enuff.already?

:-)
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
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From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: message from Berger?
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:45:27 GMT

This morning, I had a message in my 'inbasket' from BERGER@COM. The
message was "What's your email address?". I had to think about that for
a while - a message addressed to me asking what my email address was.
Of course, there was no email address to reply to, which I thought was
ironic and highly amusing. I also don't know what this message is in
response to - I had sent messages asking to be added to the HORDE list,
a new Phish tape tree, the 7-13-84 GD tree, and I also sent a message
about possible Spirtles tapes. So anyway, here's my email address, even
though it seems kinda redundant...

DBUDZAK@IVY (Bitnet)
DBUDZAK%IVY@UICVM.UIC.EDU (alternate)
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