HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: One way for the "shows" to go on
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:37:05 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Aug15.192521.13159@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> jtomlin@helix.nih.gov writes:
>
>I spent this grey morning feeling sad that the Landover shows I've
>been looking forward to will not happen.  Then the idea came to me.
>
>Why not turn a negative into a positive?  Since I'd already set aside my
>time for those three evenings, why not spend that time lending a hand
>somewhere?  There is an awful lot of trash in the nearby county park...
>The notion of hundreds or thousands of deadheads
>doing volunteer work on Sept 9, 10, 11 is an amazing one.
>Jim Tomlin   jtomlin@helix.nih.gov

I agree. Any Boston-area Deadheads want toodo the same during our six-show
"run?" If someone can think up an appropriate project, plus a way of notifying
and motivating the thousands of area Deadheads to participate, please let
me know!

-Dan Schwarz dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:17:11 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: chuck@westford.ccur.com (Chuck Palmer)
Subject: Info on American Univ. Show in Early 70's
Summary: My first show
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:47:04 GMT

Since I am sitting here waiting to see when/if I get
any tickets for the Boston shows, I was thinking back
to my first show...

It was a free concert (how's that for cheap) at American
University in D.C. and was probably in 1972 or Early 1973.
For whatever reasons ;-) I can't seem to remember all the
details other than about 70,000 people...

So I was wondering if anyone could tell me the date of
the show, better yet the setlist. If anyone has a tape
of that show, I would love to get a copy for old times
sake. I've never seen it posted, but it couldn't
have been too tough to get a tape recorder into a free
show...well not much in the way of portables back then.

Let me know...

		thanx
			chucko

			chuck@westford.ccur.com
-- 


                                   chuck p.
From: DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu (Victor A D'Amato)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Trivia Question (Promised Land)
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu
Organization: The Internet

I have never heard Jerry or Pigpen sing lead on this throughout the
entire song, however, I have heard *Mickey* (!) sing lead on it.
An April Fool's joke to open 4-1-80 Capitol Theater Passaic, NJ.
Jerry plays drums, Phil plays lead guitar and backups vocals, Billy
plays bass, Bob plays keyboards, Brent plays drums and Mickey
also plays rhythm guitar.  The version absolutely sucks, but afterward
they play a hot version of Promised Land with everyone at their own
instruments.

Vic
From: Nicholas Newlin <nnewlin@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:31 PDT
Subject: Re: Deferring to David Gans (RE: Fall t
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug16.142007.9315@uvaarpa.vi:1566700317:cdp:1456400084:000:182
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nnewlin    Aug 16 20:31:00 1992


How recently?

At this point it is pretty official that fall tour IS cancelled.
So let's allhang loose and do something else.
don't renew thta fall tour hope
it's done come and gone

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Questions for musicologists
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.011154.12798@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:

>
>First, what is it that creates the special "Dead sound"? 
>What I mean by that is that I can hear a chord or two or even a couple
>of notes and know it's the Dead playing. I can't do that with other
>bands playing something I haven't heard before, but can always tell a
>new Dead tune, even turning on the radio in the middle of it.

Jerry Garcia's guitar sound is very distinct, so by hearing him play a chord
or two, you know its the dead. Same with Phish; after the first guitar lick,
you know its Trey playing guitar. I think this is what makes these two
bands sounds so easily recgnizable. Please note that i am NOT saying that
Jerry gives the band its whole sound, so dont flame me telling me bob is
a great guitarist.


>>Second, why does the beat on St. Stephen seem to drag? It's not that
>slow, and  yet you seem to wait and wait . . .

Kind of related to the first question. This is part of the dead's sound;
they TAKE THIER TIME. Listen to the refrain on Black Peter for a similar
loooong building effect.....

-rob

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Philosophical and Academic discussions of the Dead's
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:06:35 GMT

>
>quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
>
>  > jazz myself. I think of it as being a way to take the "harmonic
>  > maze" of running chord changes down, out of the way in the solo.
>  > Of course, that's more of like modal jazz vs. Be-bop kinda-thing.
>  > But I think that there is some corelation with how the Dead use it.
>  > hen Miles Davis started playing "cool" instead of "Bop", he did it
>  > <at least in part> to be able to play simple melodies and take them to
>  >a longer sustained place in his solos that wouldn't get anihilated by
>
>      So, what you're saying is that from an historical point of view
> modal playing was in part a response to the dense chordal structure of
> Bop?  In the sense that the thing Miles was trying to do was to
> concentrate on the soloist's ability to creat new and interesting
> melody lines without a lot of chordal structure around to give
> her pointers.
>
   Yeah- exactly! Miles came out of all of that Be-bop tradition and
   kind of reacted to eventually by creating the "Cool" sound. <that's
   just what it was called>. The really groovy thing about Miles was
   how many times he totally changed directions in his career and 
   created something totally new. He and Jimi had plans to record together
   before Jimi died- wow! would that have been cool or what!?

>
> >  but still the idea is similar. Most of the standard tunes that they
> >  play whether they're Rock n' Roll standards, or Cowboy Bob or even
> >  the Funky stuff are all harmonically derivative of the 12- bar
>  > blues...at least in that there are principally two harmonic areas
> >  that dictate the form etc. The modal jams still contrast the same
>
>     What are these two harmonic areas that dictate the form?
>
The tonic and the dominant <or the sub-dominant usually in the blues
which eventually leads to the dominant: I chord = tonic, V chord =
dominant, IV chord equals sub-dominant>....


>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: nsax.uoregon (Norma Sax)
Subject: Re:A net.get.well card for Jerry?
Organization: university of oregon
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:22:16 GMT

Count me in.


norma sax
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Nicotine Addicts Unite!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:31:48 GMT

  Keep those cards and letters comming in folks!  Day three
and haven't even snuck a puff :-)  And the email support
group is comming together like a dragon dance at Chinese
New Year!!!  Excuse me- I have to go verbally abuse the
counter help at a fast food restaurant...

                    eagle
              rebel@outlaw.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: miani@ibm7.uucp (Rich Miani)
Subject: refund for msg question
Organization: NYNEX S&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:31:29 GMT


Hi folks,

I mailordered for MSG and there are no instructions as to how to get a
refund for these shows.... does anybody have the info ?

Thanks,
Rich
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: beatlfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark Walsh)
Subject: Re: Wharf Rat
Organization: God Save the Kinks!
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:12:31 GMT

I REALLY like Wharf Rat.  This is what turned me on to it:

I was working on a project in Central America, where I encountered ABSOLUTELY
NOBODY who had ever heard of the Grateful Dead...until I was talking to one
woman there who said she really enjoyed some American music, and had heard an
absolutely beautiful song by the Grateful Dead.  I asked her if she knew what
song, and she didn't know the title.  She said it went "No tengo plata, pero
hay tiempo para escuchar su cuento..."  (trans: I have no money, but there is
time to listen to your story)

I was really impressed that someone knew of the Dead down there, and even more
impressed that she remembered Wharf Rat.  Anyway, she asked me to make her a 
tape of Grateful Dead music.  I wanted to put on Wharf Rat, but really didn't
have a version that I thought was right for the tape...

...I was back at home, two days before a return trip to Central America where
I was planning to see this friend again.  I had not yet made the tape, as I
had still not found the Wharf Rat that was right.  I was washing clothes when
I remembered that David G. was doing a Dead marathon on KPFA...so I turned it
on.  Lotsa begging and pleading for $$$, and then something just told me "Mark,
put a tape in the deck."  I ran around, scrounged a blank, popped it in, and
about 30 seconds later they started playing a MIND BENDING Dancin>Wharf Rat>
Dancin.  I don't remember what show it was, but THIS was what I needed for my
tape.

Anyway, the tape got made, delivered, and she was completely overwhelmed by the
Dancin>Wharf Rat>Dancin.

That is my Wharf Rat story.  It is one of my absolute favorites to hear.

Mark

PS:  That friend is now visiting the US for a few months.  She is spending this
month in San Francisco.  I had some tickets down in front for Shoreline to take
her to her first show.  Oh well, there will be time for another first show, 
maybe when the Dead play Costa Rica.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re:  smokin' at shows
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.164454.19263@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com
(Steve Jeck) flames:
>|You don't have any right to kill the rest of us with your second
>|hand smoke, 
>
>do you:
>1) smoke pot?

no

>2) drive a car?

no

>3) burn wood in a stove or fireplace?

no

>4) burn your leaves in the fall?

no

>5) burn your trash?

no

>if you answer YES to any of the above, you are a hypocritical
>second-hand smoke generator.

There's a difference between indoor and outdoor smoking.  I don't mind
you smoking outdoors, or in your own home.  I object to your smoking
in public indoor places.

>|Here is a really effective strategy for discourageing smoking at
>|shows. I've done this before though I haven't gone to many shows
>|in the last few years. Just bring a good solid water pistol with
>|decent range and accuracy, and put peoples ciggarettes out for
>|them.
>
>I consider this assault and would defend myself.  Right now,
>i feel like strangling your net.connection.

Some of us would consider the smoking to be assault.  That doesn't
excuse excessive responses, but something simple (like getting the
usher to handle it) is fine.

Due partly to the fact that I played a lot with a chemistry set when I
was young, partly to living in New York City most of my life, and
mainly to the fact that I'm weird, sulfur dioxide doesn't bother me
nearly as much as it does most people.

It isn't that hard to conceive of someone slightly weirder than me
(well, actually it is, but for the sake of argument assume you could
:-) who actually liked the odor of sulfur dioxide, and he burned some
whenever he felt like it.  How would you feel about him burning it at
an indoor Dead show, near you?

It seems very similar to smoking there:
Both are illegal.  Both are offensive to nearby people.  Both are
detrimental to the health of nearby people.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Randy Schechter <randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov>
Subject: Refund instructions
Reply-To: randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:32:30 GMT

One subject I have not seen addressed in the mail order refund instrctions
(and I have personally listened to the hot-line message) is whether you can snedback mixed cities (i.e. Cap Center AND Philly) in one envelope. I'm not asking
what people THINK--does anyone KNOW??? My GUESS is that you shouldn't do this
but does anyone with connections to the ticket office know one way or the other?? Thanx--Take care everyone (especially Jerry)
                                                    Randy
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: One more "Deadicated II" suggestion...
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:54:01 GMT



	Howzabout *Primus* doing "Big Railroad Blues" ?


***********************************************************************

	Bass Players do it with bigger wavelengths

***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mtaranto@sura.net (Michael Taranto)
Subject: 77 seed needed...
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:20:07 GMT

	I would like to organize a tree for a 77 show. Anyone who thinks
they may have a seed for this, please contact me. 

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Mike Metzler <METZ@vtvm2.bitnet>
Subject: Deferring to David Gans (RE: Fall tour post)
Reply-To: METZ@vtvm2.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:20:07 GMT

David Gans recently posted that the Fall tour was NOT cancelled,
referring to information given to him directly from the GD ticket
office.  He is certainly one of the *most* reliable sources netters
can use, so I will defer to him on this and *gladly* go with his
report, hoping (like everyone else) that the current postponement
of ticket sales remains just that.  My apologies for any
inconvenience or worry caused by my posting--perhaps my source
meant to say Veneta and Shoreline, (which *was* accurate), not
the entire fall tour.
No flames, please--I feel shitty enough as it is, but have renewed
hope the fall tour is on.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Deadicated Comments
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:42:37 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

After listening to Deadicated in the car the other day, I began to realize
there are several categories of songs on the album:

1) Artists who just didn't get it:
   The only one I can think of that fits this is Midnight Oil's "Wharf Rat"
   The changes in tempo seem to lose them, and the song just doesn't flow.

   Probably the Burning Spear "Estimated Prophet" is a loss too.  They
   dropped the exotic 7/4 beat, and the song loses its cohesiveness in the
   drawn out chorus.

2) Artists who merely played a good tune somebody else wrote:
   This includes both of Suzanne Vega's, Warren Zevon's "Casey Jones", and
   a couple others.  This is a tribute album, but these don't contribute
   much to the music itself.

3) Artists who contribute something new by use of their own sound:
   The Indigo Girls, Elvis Costello, Los Lobos and Bruce Hornsby all
   add something of themselves to the song, while keeping much of the feel
   of the original.

4) Artists who provide something truly new to the interpretation:
   The gem of the album (I'm bound to get flamed here) is "Ripple" by
   Jane's Addiction.  I'm not a big JA fan, but this song managed to
   pick up the improvisational feel of the Dead, mixed with complex
   rhythms, in their own art/metal style.

I know I skipped a few here, and I'd welcome comment (especially as there's no
concert scene stuff to read currently).  As a final comment, this tribute is
musically much superior to the Elton John/Bernie Taupin "Two Rooms".
If I never hear Jon Bon Jovi do "Levon" again, it'll be too soon.
(Don't flame me on this:  I loved the Kate Bush & Eric Clapton renditions)

-- 
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Portions of the preceding were recorded.  As for the rest, I quite fear that
 it was all in your mind" -- Alfred Hitchcock
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Who's got my miracle plane ticket?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:39:42 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


 A friend of mine asked me to post this:
 
 Life after Dead promoters are seeking a round trip ticket from 
 Baltimore to Eugene or Portland for the Dead ringers guitarist, from
 the morning of the 22nd to the night of the 23rd or 24th.  They are
 looking for a discount airfare, so for any of you out there stuck
 with a RT ticket here's your chance to sell it.  Call 1-800-728-9488,
 ask for anybody, and tell them you want to sell this ticket.
 

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Deadicated Comments
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <17AUG199219524643@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> korwandr@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (DAVE ROPER) writes:
> The Indigo Girls really stink (again
>IMHO).  I think they're way overrated and wish they didn't get a hold of 
>good old UJB.  I cringe when I hear this one, especially after hearing their

	That cut is my favorite on the album...  'Course, I liked Donna,too.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:29:40 EDT
From: <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: FALL TOUR CANCELLED!-BULLSHIT!
 <1992Aug14.124246.21408@nic.umass.edu>

Unfortunately your "Bullshit" turned out to be the actual rumor.  I wouldn't
have posted if I didn't know what I was talking about.  If you still don't
believe, then I've got some killer Landover tix to sell you.

    "Goes to show... You don't ever know..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: moffitt@chopin.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt)
Subject: Correction to Modes Posting....
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:09:08 GMT

Hi all,
     I have recently been flooded with requests for my posting on modes.
Well, I sent out many copies but there was a correction that I had not
yet made to the files.  In the section where I discuss the Jam in Birdsong
I spell the A major scale twice as (A B C# D E F# G A) when it should 
really contain G# (A B C# D E F# G# A).  So, sorry eveyone about mailing
you the bogus file - I hope you catch this correction note ! 

Later, Curt
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.
From: ARFLESZA@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu (Fletch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: RE: Music & Sound
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: ARFLESZA@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
Organization: The Internet

Anyone following this thread should make it a point to check out:
The_Science_of_Musical_Sound   (I think that's it)
published by Scientific American.  I includes some really cool floppy records
that demonstrate many of the principles and there are some aural illusions
also.
                                  Fletch
From: BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu (Barry S. Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: huh?
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:22:24 GMT
Reply-To: BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Organization: The Internet

7004 Ethan Allen Way, Louisville, KY  40272
Phone: 502-583-5835 (machine)
Could someone please explain to me why dialogs on this net seem to regress
into some godawful testosterone fest within minutes? The "you're a fag" and
"I'll kick your ass" stuff wore thin back in secondary school. I find it hard
to believe that adults would spend time doing this. Life's too short to have
fun eh?

GROUCHO (Quale): Say, where'd I see your face before?
CHICO (Joe): Right where it is now.
From: pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Allmann Dates
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:40:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Could someone please repost the dates for the upcomming Allmann
Brothers dates in the NJ PA area.  Especially the one at the Mann
ticket prices would be appreciated also.
Thanks
Pete
pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu
o 
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From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Elliott Carter & The Dead
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:46:39 GMT


I just came across what seemed like an amazing revelation at the 
time. I was reading a review in the NY Times of the most recent
recording of Elliott Carter's Orchestral music and it was
describing the difficulty that Carter has had of securing good
performances of his work in this country..THEN the lightning
bolt, The Rex Foundation had partially underwritten this new
recording. WOOO! Talk about completely different major influences
suddenly having a cosmic connection < well to me at least>!

For those of you who don't know his work, Elliott Carter is the
greatest living American composer, he is in his mid-80's now
<kinda makes the boys seems young all over again doesn't it?>
and is as active and prolific a composer as you will find.
His work is characteristically difficult both to perform and
to hear, but is positively amazing if you give it a chance to 
sink in. He writes often incredibly dense textures that employ 
very complex polyrhythms and tempo modulations. His string
quartets are now classics (there are 4 of them, the first dating
from '52, and the latest from the late '80s). If you have
adventuresome tastes in music <most heads like to pride themselves
on this>, then do yourself a favor and investigate this music when
you have a chance.
bq
From: klp@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kevin Prigge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Radiators Tix - Eugene
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:10:51 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Due to the cancellation of the Veneta shows, I have 4 tickets available to the
Aug 22nd Radiators show at the W.O.W. Hall in Eugene. Please E-mail me for
more info.
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