From: edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)
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Subject: Re: The genocide of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenians.
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:33:57 GMT
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In-reply-to: sera@zuma.UUCP's message of 3 Sep 92 02:47:51 GMT

In article <9209032319.A5567TV@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
   <EDVAX.92Sep3212730@pyrite.usenet>
   edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)

   >I am checking this reference with my Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th
   >edition 1990 Copyright, Volume 1, p. 565 middle column. It is valid.

   See, you are a compulsive liar.
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I said your first (out of 3) references was valid. The other two had
substituted Palestine for Mesopotamia and increased the Armenian death
toll from 600,000 to 1,000,000.  I cannot verify those two EB
references in my copy of the 1990 copyright 15th edition.  This is
what I posted in response to you.  BTW, ucbvax doesn't know about
zuma, so you shouldn't call other people liars when you forge and
fabricate you own address.

My article followup was:
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In-reply-to: sera@zuma.UUCP's message of 1 Sep 92 23:39:07 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: The genocide of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenians between 1914-1920.
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In article <9209022011.A3809Yb@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
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   >Well, as Hasan mentioned, it depends on the edition.In fact, within the
   >_same_ edition EB gives different numbers.
   >
   >For example, in 1989 edition, the number of Armenian victims can be seen 
   >in three (at least) different places:
   >
   >Under the title "Armenia", page 565, the following is written:
   >"In 1915 the Ottoman government ordered about 1,750,000 Armenians deported
   >to Syria and Mesopotomia.Approximately 600,000 died in the desert en route."
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I am checking this reference with my Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th
edition 1990 Copyright, Volume 1, p. 565 middle column. It is valid.
Next...
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   >Under the title "Armenian", page 565, the following is written:
   >"In 1915, the Turks, regarding the Armenians as a dangerous foreign element,
   >decided to deport the entire Armenian population of about 1,750,000 
   >to Syria and Palestine.An estimated 600,000 died of starvation or were
   >killed en route."

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This appears on page 566, leftmost column. Mine says:

	"In 1915, the Turks, regarding the Armenians as a dangerous
	foreign element, decided to deport the entire Armenian population of
	about 1,750,000 to Syria and Mesopotamia.  An estimated 600,000 died
	of starvation or were killed en route."

Palestine and Mesopotamia are not the same thing.  Now I need to find
the 1989 Copyright 15th edition and verify it.  Someone outside the
Turkish net.terrorist parallelepiped care to check this out out?
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   >Under the title "Armenian massacres", page 567, it is as follows:
   >"Armenians from the Caucasus region formed volunteer battalions to help
   >the Russian Army against the Turks.Early in 1915, these battalions 
   >organized the recruiting of Turkish Armenians from behind the Turkish lines.
   >The Turkish government ordered the deportation of the Armenian population
   >to Syria and Palestine, in the course of which more than 1,000,000 died of
   >starvation or were killed by Turkish soldiers and police and hundreds of 
   >thousands were forced into exile."

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My 1990 Copyright 15th Edition EB, on page 568 under "Armenian
massacres" leftmost column states:
	"Armenians from the Caucasus region formed volunteer
	battalions to help the Russian army against the Turks. Early in 1915
	these battalions organized the recruiting of Turkish Armenians from
	behind Turkish lines. In response, the Turkish government ordered the
	deportation of about 1,750,000 Armenians to Syria and Mesopotamia. In
	the course of this forced exodus, about 600,000 Armenians died of
	starvation or were killed by Turkish soldiers and police while en
	route in the desert."

Again Mesopotamia (part of Iraq) is not the same as Palestine (Israel,
Lebanon).  My EB is consistent about the 600,000 dead figure. I don't
see the 1,000,000 that is stated above.
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   >For example, in 1910 edition (also in 1902 edition), on page 564, 
   >the following was written:
   >"Accurate statistics cannot be obtained; but it is estimated 
   >that in the nine vilayets, which include Turkish Armenia, there
   >are 925,000 Gregorian, Roman Catholic and Protestan Armenians,
   >645,000 other Christians, 100,000 Jews and gypsies, &c., and
   >4,460,000 Muslims."

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I don't see a 1910 Copyright edition listed in my EB. But there is a
1911 (Eleventh edition). The tenth edition came out 1902-1903.
Where do you get your hands on these rare books. The 10th edition is
very prized.
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