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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:42:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21074
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <92281.194941DKERR@NDSUVM1.BITNET> DKERR@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>In article <21013@plains.NoDak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) says:
>>Heck, why limit ourselves? Gustaf Durer, for any Endless story set back a
>                            ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
>>few hundred years. Or a tour of Despair's realm. Rembrandt for the current
>>storyline (the current art, especially Del's randomly abstract face, remind
>>me of his sketches for some reason). Van Gogh for Delirium at Home.
>>
>>Any others? Hmm...
>
>Do you mean perhaps Gustav Klimt or Albrecht Durer?  Gustaf Durer I'm not
>familiar with, but I must admit, Gustav Klimt would do a wonderful Desire.

Actually, it was my mistake. What I get from not having my friendly
reference books nearby, and my memory is more than sieve-like, it's downright
singularish.

>(Sigh) If only...

Indeed.

>Darin Kerr

Nice to see you around Darin. Us North Dakotans must stick together.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43 (no major spoilers)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:20:22 GMT

In <1992Oct2.061351.5306@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1agp01INNd36@uwm.edu> grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Koschei the Deathless) writes:
>>
>>One thing really stood out for me in this issue: Death has really lost
>>a lot of weight.

I think she's doing ads for Balley sports centers.

[Oops, sorry -- that's Sheena Easton.  Boy, am I embarassed!]

                           "If I've still got my pants on in the second scene,
                            I think they've sent me the wrong script."
                                           -- Mel Gibson
---
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: p0g3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (GALBRAITH)
Subject: Walt Simonson (Was Re: HOORAY!!!)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:51:12 GMT

Let me put it this way, if Simonson's name is under (or near)
the art credits, it's safe to say that it will be purchased.


Has anyone out there seen his killer work on Dark Horse's
Terminator - Robocop limited series?  After two issues,
I'm totally blown away by his artwork.  Does anybody know
what he has been up to between his "most excellent" work
on F.F. ( I still get a headache reading the time-leaping
issue %-) ) and the recent Superman Special???  A Simonson
fan wants to know!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Please excuse the .sig, I just figured out how it worked
last night (only 4 line, man am I not impressed!!)

P.S.S. Are there any mailing lists out there for comic readers?
I want to get more mail than what I am currently getting from  
the 90210 mailing list (small plug). 


-- 
			Thus Sayth The Crazy Kid.

			C. Chris G. Galbraith
 _   _   _
From: x91roberts2@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valiant: Shooter's second son
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:42:02 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <003695s.10.718226938@ace.acadiau.ca>, 003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE) writes:
>  OK, my pet subject, Valiant.  I've been wonering why Shooter might have 
> left Valiant (voluntarily or involuntarily; creative differences ... 
> right!), and while discussing it I got some thoughts on the subject.  Bear 
> with me.
>   Something that stuck me about the Shooter Valiants was a very distinct 
> feel to them.  I got a sensation while reading originally that I hadn't 
> gotten in a while.  I now realize that this is because a good part of my 
> Marvel collection (the good stuff) is from the mid-eighties.  You know, when 
> Shooter was in charge.  Sooo, if Valiant was doing a Shooter/Marvel feel, 
> which Marvel is no longer doing in today's market (a shame...), what if the 
> creative staff, while not doing the Marvel Zombie-thing, but also not doing 
> the mid-eighties Marvels thing, wanted to do their own thing...  Shooter, 
> loosing control of his second creation (new universe being the first), might 
> have left (did he leave or was he booted?) from this.
> 
> KID ANARKY


 My favorite subject is also Valiant comics. I was lucky enough to begin 
 collecting them as soon as they came out. I tried to persuade my friends 
 to buy them also, but they didn't listen to me until Harbinger #1 began
 to soar in value. I don't collect for the money, I bought Valiant in the
 beginning because they looked like really good books. To this moment they
 are my favorite comic company. Afterall, I would rather pay $2.50 for
 a book I enjoy than $1.25 for most of Marvel's books. Hmm, I getting off
 topic. Jim Shooter - Over the summer I had the wonderful experience of
 being able to work at a comic book store. I was already good friends with
 the owner, and so he asked me to join him at the Diamond Distribution
 convention in June. I went basically so that I could meet the gentlemen
 from Valiant. Jim Shooter was everywhere. So was Bob Layton. Those two 
 men were inseperable. Judging from what I saw, I don't think Valiant 
 creators could be more happy doing Shooter's ideas. So if he didn't leave
 or get removed because the creators were unhappy, then why? I would love
 to know, but I seriously wonder if we'll ever find out.

	Kyle
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheila Rani Gurtu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:25:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Still, I would like to ask people who think Lee and Silvestri and
 > McFarlane are art gods:  "what is your opinion of the following
 > artists, most of whom I 
 > feel are better artists than the Image crew, and why do you feel the
 > Image guys are better?"
 > 
 > If you've never seen their work , say so:  that's an answer unto
 > itself. If you have, tell me why you think the Image boys are
 > better, and I'll say why I like my picks better, and we can have a
 > nice polite discussion about whose techniques convey mood and story
 > better, without just shouting about who's cooler.
 > 
 > Dave Sim & Gerhard (Cerebus)
 > Martin Wagner (Hepcats)
 > Ben Dunn      (Ninja High School)
 > Matt Wagner   (Mage, Grendel, Demon mini, Aerialist)
 > Frank Miller  (Sin City, Daredevil, Dark Knight, Wolverine mini)
 > David Lloyd   (first name may be wrong, V for Vendetta, Miracleman)
 > Michael Zulli (Puma Blues, TMNT)
 > John Totleben
 > Matt Howarth  (Post Bros, Savage Henry, Keif Llama)
 > Will Eisner   (Spirit)
 > Scott McCloud (Zot)
 > Kyle Baker    (Shadow, Why I Hate Saturn)

All excellent choices.  I should say that I liked Marc Silvestri's art on
CYBERFORCE.  But I also like many of the artists you've listed.  For instance,
Frank Miller's art on SIN CITY bears little resemblance to the CYBERFORCE art,
yet I find it to be some of the most innovative and stimulating art to come
out in a while.

BUT:

NONE of the artists you've mentioned could effectively draw CYBERFORCE.  Every
time someone comes on here and says they like XYZ artist, someone else has
to come on and say "Why do you think XYZ is god?!  What about Will Eisner, who
truly IS god?  Or ZZX or YXZ or blah blah blah."  None of that is the point.
Beside the fact that I haven't heard anybody on here refer to Marc Silvestri
as an "art god" but yourself, we are talking about CYBERFORCE here -- not 
THE SPIRIT, not SWAMP THING, not GRENDEL, etc. etc.  We are talking about a
specific comic book, which, for my money, delivered its purpose very well on
most counts.  Whatever you think of CYBERFORCE as an artistic statement, or
whatever, if you had Will Eisner draw it it would REALLY suck.  You just
can't make blanket judegments of artistic ability.  Rembrandt couldn't draw
THE SPIRIT.  Lay off this stupid comparative stuff.  Did you like CYBERFORCE
or not??
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: Anyone read Love & Rockets here?
Organization: Blackriver Recorporations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:58:16 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct14.080347.14531@sco.com>, bobti@sco.COM (Bob Tinsman) writes:
> 
> If anyone is into non-superhero comics, it doesn't seem like it. If there
> is another group that does these folks, lemme know. All these groups look
> the same and cross post to each other. Although the non-superhero content
> of my friendly neighborhood comix store is about 5%, which is depressing,
> the non-superhero content of the net looks like about nil. Does that mean
> all the other NSH (non superhero, to coin an acronym) fans like me are 
> NCOL's(non computer oriented Luddites)?
> 
> Bob Tinsman, wandering around in the ozone of the newsgroups

         Wayul, on my server your message comes just seven down from
    another message concerning Love and Rockets. That message is a reply to
    a previous one, which means there have been at least two L&R posts in
    the last few days (not including yours.)

         However, your point is well noted, that yea verily there is little
    discussion of Love and Rockets. There are three possible reasons:

         1) You are correct, L&R fans do not read the net. 

         2) There is not much to say about L&R, so all the L&R fans end up
    talking about Youngblood.

         3) Most of the posts which mention Love and Rockets do so in the
    context of a list of comics people *should* be reading. These posts say
    little else other than "Doesn't anybody here read anything besides
    superhero comics?" Rather than engendering discussion of Love and
    Rockets, these tend bring forth tirades on the relative merits of
    superhero vs. non-superhero comics. Said discussions are usually "once
    in a lifetime" experiences in the sense that participation in one
    usually weans one of the desire to participate in further discussions.

         You make the call.

         BTW, I would guess that most people on r.a.c.misc do read at least
    one comic that is undeniably non-superhero. Remember that we are
    talking a small fraction of titles, though, and an even smaller
    fraction of sales. (Does somebody have these numbers?) If you want to
    hear some L&R discussion, you're probably going to have to start it
    yourself.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
 "You cannot go against nature, because when you do...
  Goin' 'gainst nature is part of your nature, too." 
                                 -- Love and Rockets, "No New Tale To Tell"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Zoo Crew, Doom Patrol
X-To: TOM JOHNSTON
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:36:00 GMT

tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct8.071721.11337@news.iastate.edu> baarniy@iastate.e
>>>    I'm sure almost everyone remembers Capt. Carrot and His Amazing
>>>Zoo Crew (from around 1982).
>
>>I hope you're trying to be sarcastic. I think we're the only ones. :)
>
>I loved the book.  I hope they revive it soon.

I, too, remember this book.  Not only was it one of my favorite comics at 
the time (of course, I was only 12 years old or so), but it was the first 
comic in which I had a letter of mine published!  (aand, come to think of 
it, it was probably the *last* as well...)  I remember it well - it was 
around the time of the annual JLA/JSA crossover, and that year, the xover 
also included the All-Star Squadron.  So I wrote in with my idea for a 
Justa Lotta Animals/Just Some Animals/Animal Star Squadron crossover 
story.  Several months later, that storyline actually appeared.  If I were 
a less humble man, I would probably choose to think that it was initiated 
by my letter - but, for some reason, I doubt it.


As for a revival of CC&HAZC - well, I'm personally hoping for a CC/Doom 
Patrol crossover.  Any other takers?

And speaking of Doom Patrol - is anyone besides me hoping for guest 
appearances in DP by some other "wacky" DC characters from the 60's, like 
the Inferior Five?  Or, now that Dark Horse has gotten the rights to 
Herbie, perhaps a DP/Herbie project could be the next DC/Dark Horse 
crossover.  Or even better - DP/Flaming Carrot & the Mysterymen!
 

Greg



--- WinQwk 2.0 a#0
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Frivolous WHAT IF? concept
Keywords: what if?
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:56:15 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.hal.com
In-reply-to: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)

In article <1992Oct14.020516.27176@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@quip (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.000329.4916@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>>What if Bruce Wayne's parents had been murdered by software engineers?
>
>Well, this really should have been phrased as something like:
>(cond ((and (deadp "Thomas Wayne") (deadp "Martha Wayne")
>            (eql *murderer* "Bill Gates"))
>       (way_back_machine 'Sherman 'Peabody)))

Yes, but: there would be trouble in QA; the way_back library source tape
from the vendor would arrive unreadable, the next tape would be
incomplete, and changes would be required to the source on the third
tape;  Marketing would insist that Thomas Wayne was a potential
high-gain ISV; A late-night systems crash would destroy the
almost-beta-quality product, and it will turn out that the only readable
backup tape was from last month, and besides, all the MIS guys are
either home sick, on vacation, or still in bed (get up before noon?
Surely you jest!); and finally, through a mis-passed variable (a
pointer-by-value instead of pointer-by-address problem, of course),
Thomas and Martha Wayne are left alive by the product, but an attempt is
made on Bill Gates' life.  Bill spends $400,000, buys up the company
that developed the product, and then has all the employees killed.

Result:  Thomas and Martha live to ripe old ages, and Bruce becomes a
software hacker, breaking in to NORAD, the CIA files, and Bill Gates'
old mail files.

"Software doesn't kill people; and neither do programmers."
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: cerebus--phonebooks
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:57:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct15.145712.17088
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <14OCT199214343372@rigel.tamu.edu>, ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
> Did Dave Sim ever include a map of the world that cerebus lives in?

Not in the phonebooks.  There was a more-or-less map in one of the issues,
where Cerebus imagines his global conquest.  A better map was in the lettercol
of one of the early issues.

The area of Estarcion CEREBUS takes place in looks more or less like Europe.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: CAGES ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  9 Oct 1992 18:01 EST  

Hi all, I have another question:

What is Dave McKean's "Cages" about?  It comes shrink-wrapped so I have not 
been able to peek inside.  Does McKean write or does he just do the art?
Is the inside painted similarly to "Black Orchid," or is it more of the 
photograph/painting work?  Is it a mini-series?  How many issues so far?
Recommendations?

Uh... I guess I had more than one question.  :)

Thanks in advance,
 - Wayne.
 =========================================================================
    W                     O                      N                     G
 =========================================================================
                                                SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN : Delirium
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:29:09 GMT
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

In article 15302@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>Ah, it's time for The Secret Origin of Delirium again. How nice.
>
>I was the original basis for Delirium. Neil met me just before my Oxford college
>sent me off to a mental hospital in Plymouth. To that original inspiration was
>added the character traits of Kathy Acker and Tori Amos. Tori and Neil know
>each other (and I have their addresses, so nerr |-), and Neil is famed for
>saying "hi" to people via other people. I try to get revenge by having internet
>friends from around the world who meet him say Hi from me. <giggle> Signing
>tours posted on rec.arts.comics afford a lot of "Tanaqui says hi" material.
>
>And delirium is ~10% of "whatever hits the keyboard".


I'm glad to learn that I was partly right about the origins of Delirium
(Tori Amos) and pleased to meet, through r.a.c.m, another part of the right 
answer (you, Tanaqui).

Sounds like you're in good company, there inside of the character of Delirium.
If I had known Neil and had my druthers, I wish I could have been part of 
Fiddler's Green, since I've long admired the writings and humour (and some 
of the faith) of G.K. Chesterton, who'd be my neighbor in that Sandman character.  
Though...Chesterton the person is probably big enough by himself to provide
any author of fiction with several characters. 

--James Langdell       jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems     Mountain View, Calif.
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:32:28 -0400 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Help from DC buffs requested

>>By the way, rumors are that Superman undergoes some type of personality
>>>change after his death in the next few weeks. 
>> 
>>Doesn't this happen to *most* people after they die?

From personal experience, I can only say that most people get rather
dull and listless after they die. Whether that's a personality change or
just temporary moodiness, I don't know. 

The rumor I was speaking of, (and which has not been substantiated by
any second source) is that Superman will not just become a moodier kind
of guy, but he'll come back as a kick-butt, Lobo/Punisher type. 

Maybe it's to make a "cultural icon" of the '90 's, reflecting the
current trends in comics and movies. Then again, it might just reflect
some writer or editor's boredom, writing scripts for the "ultimate boy
scout." Probably, it's a temporary gimmick to get those
Punisher/Lobo/Ghost Rider fans to check out Superman. Either way, it's
the long-time fans and brand-new comics readers who lose.

Of course, if this *is* just a rumor, I've just rambled and raved for nothing.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (kieran)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: DR. STRANGE
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:22:44 GMT

In article <Oct.12.16.43.14.1992.18307@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
>writes:
>
>
>However, he reappeared immediately as half of a revitalized STRANGE TALES (v.
>2), also written by Gillis.  

     These tales by Gillis are *really* good.  They have a great feel
to them.  They are about a Dr. Strange who is not just some costumed
hero but one who fights really unearthly evil.  Gillis was writing the
StrikeForce Morituri book at the same time.  Both were great!

                  Kieran Mullen
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: current sandman
Summary: sandman
Keywords: sandman
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw5IL9.C1u
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

As to who resembles who, am I the only one who has noticed that Etain is
a dead ringer for Jill Thompson sans the braces on her teeth?

In any case, am I the *only* one who has been speculating as to the 
identity of Dream's most current lover?

Okay, ex-lover.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, i don't care if she's dead, I think it's
Lady Johanna Constantine.

And I don't mean me.

Don't I *wish*.....

Note I didn't say "in my dreams."

I'm so evil.

:)

Your Servant,

Lady Johana Constantine
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy #1
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:45:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Little Squids of Ren and Stimpy

In article <1992Oct16.232004.15775@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>I didn't get this:  It was sealed in a plastic bag, and I have no
>interest in buying a pig in a poke.  When I see a new title, I like
>to at least leaf through it, to get an idea of what *sort* of work
>I'm buying.  *Someone* at Marvel must think that selling first
>issues bagged in a clever sales gimmick.  Okay, they can be clever
>without me.

Not only sealed in a bag, but with two different air foulers. So you had to
buy two issues to have a complete collection. OK, three if you wanted to 
read it and have a complete collection.

If you look through the nose on the bag, you can see Ren is shouting 
something like, "You fool! You opened the bag and now it's worthless!"

I didn't buy a copy. (I haven't even seen the TV show.) However, without
my help the store managed to sell all their copies in about five hours.
Almost as fast as the Superman issue. Frightening.
--
 Lance "Death to Typed Things" Smith  |   "
        (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)           |   
       Still waiting for the          |  
        Great Leap Forward.           |   "