From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:49:57 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Mr Crespo, regarding your posting:

> Your statement that Indonesia treats ETers as indonesians makes me worry! The
> (newly apppointed) ET governor said in a interview that it may be possible that
> more than ONE THOUSAND were kiled by the indonesian army 12 Nov. last year. 
> The continuous violations of Human Rights in East Timor have no correspondence,
> I believe, to the present situation in parts of Indonesia, such as Java. Does
> it mean that your government would like to do the same in Java, Sumatra and
> other islands of Indonesia? Of course not, because they feel part of Indonesia.
> East Timor, I believe, does not and, hence, ETers are treated harshly.
> 
	you may stick to your opinion. i will stick to mine. i dont believe 
	indonesia treated ETers too harshly. again you only look at the
	mistakes that indonesian government did. try to find out the postive
	things my government has done in ET. (writing this so many times,i get
 	tired of this statement, frankly :-))
NOTE:
	i want to make it clear that i do not see it as a mistake the indonesian
	army actions to put off the rebellions in ET. read my other postings !

>>{text deleted}
>>we cannot give previllages to them such as that referendum that you are
>>suggesting, because this will endanger the integrity of our nation. can you
>>imagine if you can gather some other portuguese in portugal and ask your go-
>>vernment to give you special previllage to make your own 'country' within
>>protugal (although this part of land maybe yours) ? this is nonsense.
> 
> First, my proposal DID NOT IMPLY THE INDEPENDENCE of ET! It does, however,
> recognize the fact that ETers are diferent (religion, language, ...) and
> this is a fact, not a previllage. Hence, you must accept to the fact and act
> accordingly. I believe that a great authonomy with respect to the Human Rights
> are the best proposal.
	i can see you are misinformed badly about indonesian government system.
	each province in indonesia is given great authonomy rights to take care
	of the local development. they have their own government including the
	local house of representatives (maybe inaccurate for DPR).they can make
	their own (local) development programs and administratives. even local 
	security forces (police squads) are also of local goverment's responsi-
	bility. 
	if i misinterpreted your proposal, i am sorry. but your proposal is not
	necessary, since it is the system apllied in indonesia right now.what 
	jakarta does mainly is to put a watch on more federal problems.problems
	such as rebellions in ET whcih cannot be put off by local forces should
	be helped by indonesian army (ABRI).

>{text deleted} 
>>the only thing that i think will make the integration successful is time. time
>>heals wounds. i am not suggesting to forget those 'wounds'. but we dont want
>>to keep on sticking to them. as i've said repeatedly, give us time to proof our
>>(indonesian) real,good intention of ET integration: to increase the living
>>quality of ETers.
> 
> After 17 years, the ETers wounds are not heald! Massacres, like the Santa
> Cruz, still occur. The huge presence of indonesian troops in ET, confirmed by
> all observers that are able to go there, means that Indonesia rules by force
> and is not freely accepted by the ETers!
	gives us more time!.the santa cruize massacre should not be used as the
	'time-limit', but instead as an 'accelerator'. you can see that now in-
	donesia becomes more careful taking care any problem in ET and others.

> I'm affraid that you only considered the suggestions unacceptable because you
> (and many other indonesians) are stick to the axiom that Indonesia must be
> unite, whatever cost (Human, Human Rights,...). This statment can be translate
> to "if they like the integration, good! if not, that have to accept it even
> with blood!" That is totally unacceptable for me, and others!
	no, you translation is inaccurate/wrong !! 
	we want unity (unite we are strong) and freedom (freedom or die). 
	we believe in 'ask what you can do for your nation and not what your 
	nation can do to you'. we have strong nationality since we believe 
	that it should carry us together as a nation in this competing world. 
	we believe our unity can give us strength against other nations that 
	try to colonize us in every way. remeber 'devide et impera' ? we dont 
	want it to happen again. 
	(well, enough for that burst of courage of nationality...:-))
	yes, indonesia must unite, especailly against the outsiders who try to
	devide us, including in this ET problem.  i dont believe that we put
	the cost of human lives below our unity, but we dont want to lost our 
	unity which can cost us not only our nation but also all the things we
 	have accomplished which might include human lives. 
	as i see, you have misinformed about indoensia. you might be wrong in
	other things about indonesia too, won't you ? if you cannot accept our
	being united, we should be suspicious of you remembering you past his-
	tory as a colonizer. dont call this paranoid, but just a prevention.

H Siahaan

NB.
 My postings are solely of my opinions. They will, should, and cannot be 
 interpreted as of other indonesians'.

	instead of telling us what is acceptable or unacceptable to you (or
	others ? you might not represent everybody's opinion, you know ?),
	tell us your other (hopefully acceptable) ideas.  
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