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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.offroad
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:00:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.194411.26498@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>  If you are going to limit it to 4WD you should use that as the name,
>since offroad includes 4wd, dunebuggies, and racing.

I have no problems sharing the newsgroup with the dunebuggies, etc.  What 
would be a problem would be the Audi Quattros and All Wheel Drive types
getting mixed up with us.  That would be a mistake.

Shucks, the last time I got close to one of those low slung all wheel drive
cars I backed over it before I ever saw it :)

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understand only what we are taught." Baba Dioum   |  paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:03:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct13.020649.6181@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:

>>There will be chatter in a .d group, superfluous noise, but there will
>>be that nugget of productive (in the loosest sense of the word :-)
>>conversation.  

>Searching for diamonds in the rough may be fun for some, but it quickly
>becomes tedious when there are few diamonds and a lot of rough.

If that was the only sentence you read in my last post, "Next contestant,
please!"

It sort of works like this.  If the group is full of junk, "in your opinion"
then don't subscribe, or unsubscribe.  Need help, RTFM.

I get the sense that you are objecting to the formation of a group you
will never read.  Why?

Good net-citizens, every moderated group should have a .d group to allow
a path around a moderator.  

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From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Is ARCHIE available?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:10:34 GMT

Paul Moore <sp_pm@space.alcbel.be> writes:
>
>Is the program archie, usually running on cs.mcgill.ca, available? 
>I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to contact it.
--- 
The McGill School of Computer Science archie server 
has experienced an unrecoverable hardware failure, 
and will remain unavailable for the forseeable future. 
 
Please use one of the other servers on the Internet: 
 
    archie.rutgers.edu   128.6.18.15     (Rutgers University) 
    archie.unl.edu       129.93.1.14     (University of Nebraska in Lincoln) 
    archie.sura.net      128.167.254.179 (SURAnet archie server) 
    archie.ans.net       147.225.1.2     (ANS archie server) 
    archie.au            139.130.4.6     (Australian server) 
    archie.funet.fi      128.214.6.100   (European server in Finland) 
    archie.doc.ic.ac.uk  146.169.11.3    (UK/England server) 
    archie.cs.huji.ac.il 132.65.6.15     (Israel server) 
    archie.wide.ad.jp    133.4.3.6       (Japanese server) 
 
  The archie client software is supported at all of these sites. 
       Thank-you and we apologize for any inconvenience. 
 
                Bunyip Information Systems 
> exit 
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:21:13 GMT

fath1@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>Keeping the word drumcorps in the name is essential
>because it draws drumcorps fans directly to the group.  If you leave the word
>drumcorps out, I am convinced that many drumcorps fans will not find the group.

Not to be dense, but why?  There is a list of the topics dicussed in
each group located on most machines which host news servers.  I just
don't understand why people who *really* want to talk about drum corps
wouldn't check out rec.arts.marching.  (Heck, I knew enough to check
rec.arts.misc before there *was* an alt.drumcorps simply because it
sounded like the most likely place to read about drum corps.)

I mean, if I wanted to find a group that talked about Quantum Leap, I
wouldn't give up because there is no rec.tv.quantum.leap.

I still fear that including drum corps in the name, may alienate discussion
by members of other marching activities.

>Another important goal of the RFD was to create a forum for the discussion of 
>bands and colorguards. Phil suggesting putting them under one group and you
>agree with that.  I think both goals will be best served by creating two
>groups as posted today by Phil in his 2nd RFD.

I haven't seen this yet.  If we can get two groups created, then maybe
my fears for the non-drum corps people wouldn't be justified..

>This prompts me to ask, how many people must vote for a new rec group to be
>accepted?  Does it have to over 100 yes votes?  Who knows the rules?  

If memory serves, you must have 100 more yes votes than no votes.  Last
time we only received 70-something votes total, and the group's creation
failed.

Later,
Bob
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From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.sys.stratus passes 192:11 -- say what?
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:32:27 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

moliver@pyramid.com (Mike Oliver) writes:

> ... a total of 203 votes were received, 192 in favour
> of the creation of the newsgroup and 11 opposing its formation.  One
> ambiguous vote remained unresolved at the close of voting.

Of the 192 "yes" votes, 103 were from Stratus itself, and 22 were from a
system called "shared".  It really looks like someone ran some /etc/passwd
files through an automated yes-vote sender.

I have no objection to the group in principle, but it would be nice if the
vote showed a sufficient of support from users at more than two sites.

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
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Subject: Re: RFD: sci.eos
From: JMEYERS@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Jim Meyers)
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:41:17 -0600
Followup-To: news.groups
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State University

In article <BvpwHs.H0v@uunet.uu.net>, posinski@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Cindy
Posinski) wrote:
> 
> 	On behalf of the Earth Observing System (EOS) Project Office, I would 
> like to propose the creation of a new moderated newsgroup named SCI.EOS.  
> This newsgroup would be used by the Earth Observing System Distributed 
> Information System (EOSDIS) community for the sharing of EOS related 
> information.  It would include postings of "The Processor" and the "The 
> Earth Observer" newsletters which are periodicals containing timely EOS news 
> events and information on up-coming meetings.  The newsgroup would also 
> contain information regarding new data sets, and other important EOS 
> related material.   There are currently hundreds of scientists around the 
> world involved with the EOSDIS and this would be a great forum for their 
> sharing of ideas.
> 
> 	Although the EOSDIS Project covers a broad spectrum of the NASA
> community, covering many scientific disciplines, we plan to begin
> with a single newsgroup (SCI.EOS).  Depending on the usage of
> SCI.EOS, sub-newsgroups may be created.
> 
> 	As proposed by the EOS Project, this newsgroup (SCI.EOS) would 
> be moderated by an EOS Project Office representative.
> 
> Cindy Posinski

Remote sensing is an important tool in geological mapping. As a geologist,
I would be very interested in a moderated forum that focuses upon EOS. 
Beginning with a single newsgroup is appropriate, but I would hope that
subgroups evolve, such as those interested in geological, oceanographic,
meteorologic, and environmental applications.

Jim Meyers
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:55:18 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <2ADC1988.8DDD@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman):
>>I think that using "x-windows" would be a BIG help in indicating
>>that this is NOT any other kind of windows (ms-windows in particular).
>
>However, "x-windows" is just plain _wrong_.  The entity in question is
>not a system named "X Windows".  It is a window system named "X".
>
>>	comp.gui.windows
>>	comp.gui.x-windows
>
>If you were to make this mistake, the least you could do would be to
>call the Microsloth group "comp.gui.ms-windows".
>-- 
>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini


I have no objection.  You could even take the other suggestion
floating around and make it:

	comp.gui.x
	comp.gui.ms-windows

the point is that w/ ms-windows stuck way over in comp.os (yes, I
know that was done just 6 months ago) the number of bothersome
ms-windows msgs in the x windows group has increased.

I just think that the way to alleviate the problem is to get
the best names for the "average" user, not necessarly computer
literate people.  if there is NO group w/ "just plain .windows"
in it's name then the ms-windows people would probably find
"anything.ms-windows" pretty easily.  the problem is that the
current x group is called ".windows", and then they complain
because ms windows people try to post there....

		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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From: dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.sport.fencing
Keywords: fencing, foil, epee, sabre
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:15:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>I'm all for the fencing topic.  I'm not really in favor of 
>the swordfighting name because it seems to me to connotate the
>type of stuff you see in movies only.  I prefer the rec.fencing 
>name.  It seems a more serious name.  I'm not putting swordfighting
>dramatization in movies down, actually I love it, but I would like to
>see a name that can encompass the full potential of the topic. 
>No matter what the name, I'll certainly vote for it.
  Fencing?  As a group. YES YES YES YES YES!
  (otherewise knownas you got my vote)
******************************************************************************
Fencers do it in the     *  Don Shaffer
  FLESHE'                *  dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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From: sabaker@icaen.uiowa.edu (Sarah Anne Baker)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.fencing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:35:39 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: fencing, foil, epee, sabre

I'm all for the fencing topic.  I'm not really in favor of 
the swordfighting name because it seems to me to connotate the
type of stuff you see in movies only.  I prefer the rec.fencing 
name.  It seems a more serious name.  I'm not putting swordfighting
dramatization in movies down, actually I love it, but I would like to
see a name that can encompass the full potential of the topic. 
No matter what the name, I'll certainly vote for it.

Sarah Baker
VP/Treas. University of Iowa Fencing Club
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From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: re: use a KILLFILE
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:42:44 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

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From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Message-Id: <9210071918.AA01178@albert.cs.gmr.com>
To: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE

In addition to oints you made, the use of a kill file my help
an individual news reader from seeing the off-topic posts, 
but the articles still get transferred to the news site. 
Since some people pay for their newsfeeds out of their own pockets,
this can be quite frustrating.


	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research and Environmental Staff
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Summary: vnews and readnews
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:06:15 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <CKD.92Oct11154816@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> Dave> == Dave Ratcliffe <dave@frackit.UUCP> 
> 
>  Dave> And, it's equally bad manners to assume everyone reading news on
>  Dave> a Unix box automatically HAS killfiles. They don't always. Bnews
>  Dave> runs on Unix and does NOT support killfiles.
> 
> Neither does C news.  Neither does INN.  They're not newsreaders (though
> B and C come with "readnews" as I recall).  "Get a better newsreader"
> still applies, more so because there are so many free ones for Unix.

Those who know Bnews are aware that Vnews and readnews are supplied as a
part of the package. They are compiled along with the executables for
Bnews and utilize variables set for use with inews and other programs in
the package. So while Bnews DOES include the transport mechanism it also
includes 2 news readers. I may have been lax in specifying this in my
posting but I assumed those with knowledge of Bnews would understand
what I meant. 

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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.041359.554@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
>I still vote for leaving it alone.  There are only about 3 people complaining
>about it, and any news group with only 3 people demanding everyone move to
>another group and leave them alone is doing pretty good.

NOT.  I've already found at least 25 members of the group in favor of the
new group.

>The distinction between "386BSD" and "BSD" is going to become fuzzier and
>fuzzier as CSRG (the originators of BSD) goes out of business in 1993, as
>is currently planned, according to postings in comp.unix.bsd and articles
>in the trade press.

And what does this have to do with serving the community of users who
are working with a specific package, 386bsd 0.1, and want specific help
on OS-specific questions?  The "fuzziness" of the issue is belied by the
traffic we have on issues specific to 386bsd (and nothing else).  If and
when "386BSD" becomes identical to "BSD" then the new group will become
redundant.  That has no bearing on our current situation, though, since
there are currently many significant differences between 386bsd and BSD.

Paul Southworth                    |     ftp redspread.css.itd.umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services    |        Anonymous Political Archives
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University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |  Coming soon: mirror of ftp.eff.org

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>
From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Mischievous bee will-o'-the-wisps" Neilski)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <N3LDsB4w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-jwelch@jwt.UUCP writes:

>>Thanks Joel, yes people, some of us CANT use a killfile..  Some of us 
>>DONT go to college and have access to a UNIX 
>>system!

>Sucks to be you.

Well, that's a really useful attitude to take.  I'm glad the net hasn't
deteriorated to the point of posting things just for the sake of it.

(insert :-) )

-- neilski
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From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:02:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.045839.6375@uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
|Summary: The upload announcements from the major MsDos FTP sites
|would continue in a moderated newsgroup (CAMA), but they would not
|continue in an unmoderated one (CBIPA) because the severe problems
|keeping the said unmoderated newsgroup on topic.

I agree there have been problems in CBIPA (frankly, I've unsubscribed
since I can't cut through the chaff).  Question: what will happen to CBIPA?
Is it proposed to leave it alone as-is (and thus overlap the proposed
group in content area) or remove it?

-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
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From: sp_pm@space.alcbel.be (Paul Moore)
Subject: Is archie available
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:14:43 +0100
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Sorry if this is in the wrong newsgroup, but I don't have any proper access to the net, and this seems the best place to ask.

Is the program archie, usually running on cs.mcgill.ca, available? I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to contact it.

Please email, as I don't have access to the net.

- Paul

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From: dave@oldcolo.com (Dave Hughes)
Subject: Re: NAPLPS Newsgroup
Organization: Old Colorado City Communications (oldcolo.com - login "newuser")
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:24:34 GMT


Larry Virden notes:
 
>Let me preface this by saying while I have heard the term since a 
>mid 70s or so article in Byte, I have not yet figured out what
>NAPLPS is.
 
NAPLPS is a terminal-independent STANDARD for the encoding of 
animated graphics and text for use over telecom. Just as ASCII is a 
standard for representing text and numbers.
 
Without ASCII there would be no newsgroups, BBSs, Compuserves, 
Bitnets, much less Internet. And those with point-click Macs running 
MS Word would have no way to communicate with MSDOS users, mswindows 
or not, running Word Perfect or with university faculty staring at a 
Dec Terminal running vi, X-windows or not. All of which can 
generate, export to or import in, ASCII, no matter what the 
proprietary GUI they use, or the unique file format of the word 
processing software being used.
 
A growing problem is that everybody would like to send and receive 
graphics online - charts, graphs, cartoons to art work, decent 
reproductions of photographs or scanned-in drawings, and wonder of 
wonders, SOME people would like simply to send a calculus formula 
over the net where the delta and sigma symbols can actually be seen 
by others no matter what system they are using. And with 
international telecom routine now, be able to send and recieve 
French, German, Norweigan, Russian, Arabic, Japanese, Chinese, 
Spanish as routinely as English over the nets. But there are very 
few ways to do it with ANYTHING like the universality of ASCII.
Everybody staring at a Mac wants to do it Apple's way, everybody
with high end workstations and 56kb connections want to do it 
X-window way, and Compuserve (laughing all the way to the bank) want 
to do it 'their' bit mapped GIF way, and those who think only 
language (the Unicode committees) want to do it for only text and in 
16bits only way.
 
Yet here is a standard, NAPLPS, that can incorporate all of the 
above, and be imbedded in anybody's graphics, text/symbol 
processors, terminal programs, and be so economical of bandwidth 
(its based on vector graphics) that it does not drag down a system, 
or modems, or disk space.
 
I could say a lot more, but then the reason I seek a news.group is 
to discuss these matters more fully, and across a range of 
interests, from 'what is it' and 'how do I do it' to technical 
discussions by those developing its software and 'how can I 
set up a naplps-based system.'
 
And I suspect that as soon as a wide-spread newsgroup gets going 
that it will want to spin off naplps.art, naplps.language, 
naplps.bbs, naplps.software, naplps.education.
 
The closest Virden's 'alternative' names come, down at the bottom, 
super-technical level is comp.std.naplps (for in fact it is an ANSI 
and CSA standard, and an implementation of the ISO 2022 standard for 
7 and 8 bit extensions.
 
But I doubt if educators in foreign languages would bother to look 
in on it.
 
So?
 
Dave Hughes                     dave@oldcolo.com
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: model united nations newsgroup
Date: 11 Oct 1992 20:42:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET () says:

>                  I would like to propose a discussion on what the
>        feeling is out there for starting a Model United Nations
>        newsgroup.  The Model United Nations is a worldwide program

>        talk.politics.model-un, thus ensuring that it goes as

>                              Matt in NYC

I don't think there's enough support for this group
 right now.  Why don't you try setting up an alt. 
 group + see how it goes first?
-- 
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Program Director, WUMD		ISO part time job to pay the rent.