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From: pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM (Joe Pannon)
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Subject: Slovakia's Hydro-energy Potentials
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:34:15 GMT
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Can somebody fill me in on why it was so important for Slovakia to build
a costly electric power plant on the slow Danube, when the country -- I
imagine -- has plenty of fast rivers in the numerous mountains.  The,
river Vah, for instance, comes to mind right away, but there are
several others one can see on the map of Slovakia.  They seem to be far
more efficient and politicaly less controversial choices than the border
river Danube.

I can appreciate the concern most Slovaks seem to have about the
economic consequences of abandoning a virtually completed expensive project,
but remember:  Hungarians faced the same choice when they decided to abandon
their part of the mutual project.  After all, they, too, sank billions
into it before cancellation, and more will be spent on restoration of
preexisting conditions.

My last curiosity: the Slovak national emblem is virtually identical to
the right half of the Hungarian national emblem.  Is that a coincidence,
or if not, how did that come about?

Regards,
Joe Pannon
From: Lubosh <Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au>
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Date: 11 Nov 1992 01:10:40 GMT
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In article <01GQXBH15SUA935JIY@macalstr.edu> , PMUZILA@MACALSTR.BITNET
writes:
>        "In February 1947 the Paris Peace Conference restored the Trianon
>frontiers and obliged Hungary TO PAY REPARATIONS to Soviet Union,
Yugoslavia,
>and Czechoslovakia."
>
>        To you want to add something ???
>
I was not involved in this (and I wasn't even asked), but I would like to
add a bit (of petrol into the flames :-)
I was studying in Kosice, which also was claimed on many occasions as
Hungarian (there still are about 10 % of Hungarians in the city). I would
say regardless of historical events (we can't change those) there is a
difference in mentality - Hungarians are sticking much harder to their
national feelings, and they only very rarely assimilate into a different
nation, whilst the Slovaks are quite easy to get assimilated by a more
aggresive environment. I had a few friends who were Hungarian, or were
Slovaks and lived in mixed families, etc... Everyone said something like
this: if you are Slovak and marry into a Hungarian family, your kids are
going to have Hungarian as their first language, and you have to learn at
least the basics of Hungarian, because the rest of your spouse's family
wouldn't talk to you in Slovak (even if you live in Slovakia). Please
don't consider this to be blaming Hungarians for their strong national
feelings, I just wanted to pint it out, because I think this has been
(and still is) happening a lot on both sides of the border between
Hungary and Slovakia. There are figures about what happened during the
last few decades - after the WWII their respective numbers were
comparable, but the number of Hungarians on the Slovak side has increased
significantly to over 400,000, whilst the number of Slovaks on the
Hungarian side is decimated to some 50,000 or less. I don't have the
capacity to argue on an academic basis, but I think my personal
experience from that region gives me more confidence in what I'm saying.
Regards,
Lubosh
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In article <9211072136.AA23259@atc.boeing.com> Joe Pannon,
pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM writes:
>it.  However, my point was that those other reasons could have been met
>by far more ecologically and politically satisfactory means than what
>either the original Gabcikovo-Nagymaros, or the Variant C plans called
Your point was probably quite logical, but it just didn't happen at the
time it was considered and planned, because at that time things were not
looked at very logically. Since mid-80's there is a lot of talk about
small hydro-power plants on mountain streams, but as far as I know, there
hasn't been a big progress in this area, except maybe a finished power
station built privately already during the Communist times, and
generating some energy - this should be somewhere close to Detva, I'm not
sure if the name of the small town is Hrinova' (somebody can correct me
if I'm wrong)...
Lubosh
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Subject:      EC Commission on Gabcikovo

                       RFE/RL Daily Report

                                          No. 216, 9 November 1992

EC CALLS ON CZECHOSLOVAKIA TO TEMPORARILY HALT CONSTRUCTION AT
GABCIKOVO.  The European Community called on Czechoslovakia to
temporarily stop construction on the controversial hydroelectric
dam project on the Danube, Reuters reported on 6 November. The EC
Commission, which has been mediating the dispute over the dam
between Hungary and Czechoslovakia, said that work should go on
for now to avert the risk of flooding, but should stop on 21
November. Czechoslovakia will respect the EC's decision,
Czechoslovak Deputy Foreign Minister Zdenko Pirek told reporters
in Brussels.  The EC Commission is sponsoring a thorough study of
the project's environmental and sociological impact and
specialists of several countries are to meet in Brussels on 15
November to discuss the its findings.  (Jan Obrman, RFE/RL, Inc.)
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Subject:      He wanted all of us to be good friends

   The probably most beloved, admired and popular Slovak in Czech lands

                        has died


                   + Alexander Dubcek



                 Lord, have mercy upon us.


                In deep sorrow, M.Havranek
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From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      Dubcek died - media reaction

I would like to bring a few remarks to a sad event.

Saturday night, at 9.25 a.m. died Alexander Dubcek, the leading
personality of the Prague Spring 1968. After the first free
election held after the velvet revolution in 1990 he was
appointed as the Speaker of the federal parliament. After
joining the Social Democratic Party of Slovakia 1992 he got
again the MP of CSFR. He was the most serious candidate for the
presidency of the ongoing Slovak Republic.

His death was caused by heavy injuries he suffered by a car
accident on September, 1st this year.

The federal radio "Ceskoslovensko" announced his death at
midnight with one plane sentence without any commentary. At the
same time the Austrian Radio and Television ORF broadcasted an
obituary notice reminding the importance of Dubcek's
personality.

By chance, the last week was the Czech writer Mr Pavel Tigrid
awarded by president Miterrand with the highest French order.
In 1991 Mr Tigrid being an advisor of president Vaclav Havel
felt himself competent not to allow Mr Dubcek to make a speech
at a meeting on Vaclav Square along with Mr Havel. This affair
was pushed by the media to the backgroung, but certainly it was
on of the most important misunderstandings worsing the relation
between both part of Czechoslovakia in the period after the
velvet revolution.

In spite of this (and other) negative personal experience Mr
Dubcek didnot agree with the divorce of both nations as well as
with the way it is going to be done...

With the deepest condolence to all who regarded the contribution
of Mr Dubcek to a democratic Czecho-Slovakia as well as to an Europe,
free of totalitarian regimes,

Jan

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Jan Szelepcsenyi                        	Telephone: + 42 7 220863
janszel@posen.mff.uniba.cs              	Address  : ul. A. Mraza 4
                                                	   821 03 Bratislava
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Subject:      Re: Fight for academic freedoms in Slovakia

I think that this contribution is clear violation of an agreement
that the net will not be used for political and economical aims.
People are asked to sign political resolution and number of bank
account is presented. But it is my private oppinion. We are said
to live in democracy and everybody is free to express oneself.


From another point of view:

1... The appointment of Mr. Hajduk is not legal because of unfulfiled
     conditions prescribed by CS law (Mr. Hajduk does not posess the
     academic rank) and thus no valid.
2... The appointment of academic senate made by some person who is not
     the rector is also illegal.
3... The TU university is state university and not the private one. It
     is fully financed by the money of the tax payer. So that the
     state is bound by responsibility of using the finance efectively.
     There are clear signs that TU will not be that case :
        A... There are not internal emploees able to guarantee the
             usual standard for university.
        B... The former aims of TU taken into account when law about
             it's foundation was passed are not fulfilled. (Special
             health care teaching is exchanged by the politology ...)


It is a shame of the M of education that he was not able to restore
the order at the very first day of its appointment. His appeals that
he has in mind the well being of TU students seems to me ridiculous.
He is trying to place the students at another U in Slovakia. For me
it is absolutely unacceptable. The students of the TU should hold new
entering exams at the universities the are meant to enter. And these
students should have passed it only in case they expressed better
results than the best students that did not passed the exams at this
U held this year.

The TU will be subject of parliamentary decission. I hope it will be
dismissed. There are other more important things to pay for than 200
students of "politology". Would it not be more appropriate to send say
20 best students to western universities where politology is taught
for long time and where there are no doubt that the quality of the
teachers in this particular area is far more higher than in Slovakia
where the only political science was marx-leninism for 50 years.


Regards,
Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
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Subject:      Investment in Slovakia

I recently read in Ecoservis that foreign investment in Slovakia has been
increasing.  Is this due to increased international recognition of Slovakia
since the June elections or does Mr. Meciar have a specific strategy for
attracting foreign investment?  Does anybody know?

Sharon Fisher
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Subject:      Re: First Vienna Awards

Perhaps I should not have pushed the "reply" button in response to
Joe Pannon's posting, because this comment does not directly relate
to his discussion.

I would like to address the question of "nationalism" in regard to
Joe's postings, which give us the Hungarian point of view, and contrast
his feelings toward Hungary (which are obviously very warm) with those
of (forgive me if I have gotten the name wrong) Tony Hmelo, who only
on this list discovered that he was of Slovak descent, and not Czech.

Both Tony and Joe no longer speak the language of their ancestors. But
Joe still has an interest in "sticking up for" his, while Tony knows
almost nothing about his heritage.  Would the two of them (I will
certainly understand, if this request is too personal) please let
us know what their exposure to their ethnic cultures consisted of?

Louise B. Hammer
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From:         Joe Pannon <76317.2023@COMPUSERVE.COM>

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I couldn't miss the sarcastic remarks from some of the participants here when
the death of Dubcek was announced.  Perhaps the most representative of these
comments was the one calling Dubcek "the favorite Slovak of the Czechs", or
something like that.  Can I acertain from these comments that Dubcek wasn't
nearly as popular among his own people (i.e., the Slovaks) as he was in the
West?  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd like to have my interpretation
confirmed if I may.  (Similar situation existed with Gorbachev.)

If my suspicion is right, and Dubcek wasn't really that popular, that still
leaves me wondering why Meciar is, when he also has the same '68 reform
communist background Dubcek had.

Could somebody explain?

Thanks,
Joe Pannon
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From:         Joe Pannon <pannon@BCSFSE.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: First Vienna Awards

Paul Havlak wants the cake and eat it, too.  On one hand, he makes the
following appeal:

>     Let's please stop the mutual Slovak-Magyar bashing here.  Isn't it
> enough that neither group completely trusts the other.  Historical
> arguments show the origin of the distrust, but current actions and
> words are more relevant to the perpetuation or resolution of this
> conflict.

Then he passes his on judgement of the First Vienna accords:

>     I think that this passage, describing the dismemberment of
> Slovakia by Hungary (with arbitration by Hitler and Mussolini!) will
> fail to put the Slovaks at ease.

So, let me ask then: what dismemberment of Slovakia?  Those Hungarian
territories were given to CZECHOSLOVAKIA by the Trianon Treaties, NOT TO
SLOVAKIA!  Since Czechoslovakia as a political entity fell apart (thanks
to a great deal to Slovak nationalists), the Trianon treaty no longer
applied.  It was effectively replaced by the Munich Pact and the Vienna
Arbitrations.

Whatever one might think now (with historical hindsight) about Mussolini
and Hitler, if they were good enough negotiating partners for England
and France, they were good enough arbitrators for Hungary and Slovakia.
And Slovakia especially is in no position to take the moral highground
from which to accuse Hungary with collaboration with Hitler!

Regards,
Joe Pannon
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In his article Rich. Neumann (rich@icl.co.nz) asks for some information
about enviromental problems in Slovakia, particularly in connection
with Jaslovske Bohunice nuclear power plants. I am not specialist
in enviromental issues, but I lived in Trnava (town about 10 miles
from Jaslovske Bohunice), so I have a few first-hand informations:

1.) There were several groups of specialist in Jaslovske Bohunice
     during last 3 years, including special mission of IAEA, which
     is considered to be world standard-setting organization.
     Result: all facilities are safe according to international
     (=Western Europe + U.S.) standards.
2.) There is no measurable increase in radiation level around
     nuclear power plant in Jaslovske Bohunice; in comparison
     use of fertilizers containing potassium is measurable without
     any problems (one of potassium isotopes (K 40) occuring
     naturally - for example in body of each living being - is
     radioactive). Increased cancer rate in Bratislava is likely
     due to chemical industry (petrol, herbicides etc.) which is
     localized in the town.
3.) Although nuclear power plant in Jaslovske Bohunice is Soviet-
     designed, it is completely different type than was Chernobyl's
     one. Accident of the Chernobyl's type is not possible at all
     because of different physical characteristics of those types
     of reactors. By the way, nuclear power plant of the same type
     is also in Finland and apparently nobody is scared about it.

     I hope this is at least partial answer to given question.

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              "FALK2399%DS0RUS54.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Nov 9,
              92 9:23 am

FALK2399%DS0RUS54.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>    The probably most beloved, admired and popular Slovak in Czech lands
>
>                         has died
>
>
>                    + Alexander Dubcek
>
>
>
>                  Lord, have mercy upon us.
>
>
>                 In deep sorrow, M.Havranek




     Amen.



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              92 8:17 pm

Dr. George R. Bauer writes:

> I would have thought that with the Slovak feelings toward the Hungarians
> in 1918 they would have RUN from anything Hungarian.  I understand the
> three peaks -- but they even have a Hungarian connection.

That was pretty much why I am kinda' puzzled by that, too. ;-)

BTW, I am also puzzled by the intensity of anti-Hungarian feelings among
Slovaks for which I can't find any rational justification.  I could see
reasons for some ill-feelings for excesses of "Magyarization" between
1867 and 1914, but that would hardly call for the hatred we see today.
Besides, that half century was rather long time ago, and the Slovaks
already took their revenge many times over with the post-WW II "Kosice
Program" when they declared Hungarians non-citizens and chased
thousand of them out of their homes.  When does it end?

Regards,
Joe Pannon
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Subject:      Re: Slovakia's Hydro-energy Potentials

I'm afraid that the Hungarian Empire is not so long ago in the minds of many
Slovaks.  They seem to have kept it alive all this time.  Old hatreds live long!
Unfortunately, they more often result in the Holocaust or Yugoslavia than
in cooperation.  It's a PITY!!!

Some people can forgive and forget and get about making their FUTURE, but
other people remember and revenge the past...  It's a PITY!!!


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From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dubcek died - media reaction

>Posted on 8 Nov 1992 at 15:13:43 by Jan Szelepcsenyi
>
>The federal radio "Ceskoslovensko" announced his death at
>midnight with one plane sentence without any commentary. At the
>same time the Austrian Radio and Television ORF broadcasted an
>obituary notice reminding the importance of Dubcek's
>personality.
>
>By chance, the last week was the Czech writer Mr Pavel Tigrid
>awarded by president Miterrand with the highest French order.
>In 1991 Mr Tigrid being an advisor of president Vaclav Havel
>felt himself competent not to allow Mr Dubcek to make a speech
>at a meeting on Vaclav Square along with Mr Havel. This affair
>was pushed by the media to the backgroung, but certainly it was
>on of the most important misunderstandings worsing the relation
>between both part of Czechoslovakia in the period after the
>velvet revolution.
>
>
>--
>Jan Szelepcsenyi                                Telephone: + 42 7 220863
>janszel@posen.mff.uniba.cs                      Address  : ul. A. Mraza 4
>                                                           821 03 Bratislava
>                                                           Czechoslovakia

For heaven's sake, man, can't you even let a tragic event pass in dignity
without trying to extract some political propaganda from it?

Henry Kucera
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