HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sas-l
Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:32:11 CST
Reply-To:     sparapan@SALT.RA.ANL.GOV
From:         sparapan@SALT.RA.ANL.GOV
Subject:      Printer Problem in SAS 6.03/6.04
Comments: To: sas-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

SAS-L:

OS:  OS/2
Product:  SAS 6.03/6.04
Printer:  Panasonic 1123KX with Epson LQ850 and IBM PROPRINTER X24 Graphics mode
Problem:  GOPTIONS for printer.

I am having a problem producing output with PC/DOS/SAS.  I think it is 6.03
basically with an updated SAS/GRAPH(new and updated drivers) which they call
6.04(please correct me if I'm wrong).  My problem is I'm used to the GOPTIONS
of 6.07 which does not apply.  What I want to know has anyone been able to
print using this printer.  I have used it in other graphics applications so I
know it's not the printer that is the problem.  I can externally put the
printer in three graphics modes LQ850, IBM G1, and IBM G2.  I tried the SAS
drivers for Proprinter and Epson LQ800 with no success.  If anyone knows how
to modify these drivers to work with my printer please let me know.  The
GOPTIONS that I used follow.

FILENAME GRAFOUT "C:\DOS\STAT\SAS\SASUSER\GRAFX.GSF";
GOPTIONS RESET=ALL DEVICE=PROPRINT GSFNAME=GRAFOUT GSFMODE=REPLACE;

sas statements with a graphics routine

X "PRINT C:\DOS\STAT\SAS\SASUSER\GRAFX.GSF";
RUN;

I have tried the above also with DEVICE=LQ800 and DEVICE=LQ1000 and both with
and without NOCHARACTERS since no hardware fonts are listed for any of these
devices.  Also, under OS/2 you can stop the queue and look at the output on
the screen instead of wasting paper(which I did a lot of).  However, I'm not
sure if what I'm looking at is WYSIWYG.  For instance, I printed a WordPerfect
document to the queue and it didn't look much better.  Is this because I setup
the printer incorrectly.  In OS/2, the printer is set as a Panasonic 1123KX, but
the driver is the Epson LQ-850 just like in Windows.  I'm out of breath.  Please
help.  Thanks for your help in advance.

Rodney
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: SEDS-L@TAMVM1.BITNET
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:33:05 -0700
From:         Richard Johnson <johnsonr@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      re: ftp site
              "DJKALMAN@COLOSPGS.BITNET" at Nov 9, 92 12:10 pm

| There is a SEDS ftp site at hoshi.colorado.edu  run by Richard Johnson.
| If you are having problems with space, maybe you can talk to him about using
| the space there for the old logs.

I don't have room to keep the logs here.  hoshi currently has only 9% of
its users disk free.  I gotta keep those 26Mb for our local folks.  The
weekly fluctuation in usage on hoshi is much bigger than what we now have
left.  Sorry.

Don't hesitate to give me "small" starter kit files, etc.  But logs of
SEDS-L and SEDSNEWS won't be available here unless someone wants to donate
a SEDS optical drive or something. ;)

| David Kalman

Richard


--
Loudyellnet: Richard Johnson | Sneakernet: ECOT6-29 or ECNT1-6, CU Boulder
Phonenet: +1 303.492.0590    | Internet: johnsonr@Colorado.EDU
PGP 2.0 public key available on request
Speaker to avalanche dragons.   Do you really think they listen?
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:20:34 PST
From:         "(Jeffrey Alan Foust)" <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      IDMs - Who Should Run Them?

	If SEDS-USA should decide to undertake a program of individual
memberships (IDMs), from where should they be administered?  To put it
midly, this has been a question of some debate.  Let me take a brief
stab at it.

	Ideally, I believe that it is universally agreed that the MIT office
should handle all aspects of individual memberships.  However, things are,
unfortunately, not ideal.  The MIT office is slow to respond to requests
for information (case in point: the length of time it took to get a treasury
report).  This is not meant as a slight against Lisa, in fact, she and the
others at MIT have done as good a job as they can keeping affairs in order
there.  The problem is, for the administration of individual memberships,
the MIT office is understaffed.

	So, where else can IDM's be administered?  We need a location with
a stable location (and mail address), a strong base of individuals willing
to spend time on the administration of IDMs, access to printing/copying
facilities (or the ability to subcontract out to another chapter/organization
for this), and, perhaps most importantly, good leadership.

	Eliminating any regional biases in my mind, the one group I think
is best for this task is CalSEDS, the regional organization of SEDS
chapters in California.  There is a stable mail address (112-58 Caltech has
been around for a while and will be sticking around for the indefinite future),
there are people here (here = Caltech, Occidental, Claremont, UCLA) willing to
work on indiviual memberships, we already have an agreement with UAH SEDS
currently for printing and mailing the NOVA, and will be looking at other
options out here, and there is plenty of, IMHO, good leadership out here
(five Nat'l board members!).

	UAH SEDS is another possibility, but given all the projects and
other activities they have going on (SEDSAT, GAScans, planning for SEDS-USA'93,
etc.) I wouldn't want to burden them with something like this.  TexSEDS
and Florida SEDS are other possibilities, but I don't think at the current time
the interest and/or the resources are there to handle this project (but just
give Amy some time... :-)

	So, if the SEDS-USA board approves IDMs, I think the best site for
administering them at the present time is CalSEDS.  At a later date (perhaps
SEDS-USA'93) if MIT is in better condition or another organization has
expressed an interest and has the resources to run it, IDMs can be moved.
For now, though, I think the success of any IDM program is dependent on
having it administered by willing, competnent people with the necessary
resources, which in this case is CalSEDS.

Ad astra,

Jeff
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: SEDS-L@TAMVM1.BITNET
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:21:10 -0700
From:         Richard Johnson <johnsonr@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Richard
              "SEDS-L%TAMVM1.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU" at Nov 6, 92 10:05 pm

| about the ignoring thing - see the post Re: irwin :)
| (I meant to put a smilie after the ignoring part, but I pressed return before
| I could...sorry for the confusion...

OK - you in particular shouldn't forget the smileys.  Otherwise the rest
of us who've been dealing with you a while can't tell the diff. ;)

| >What about the target market?
| Students, NSS/AIAA/TPS/etc people who want to support SEDS, alumni....
|
| >What about
| perceived (and as Dave pointed out, unreal) conflict with SEDS
| chapter membership?
| Chapters will have the same status.  You get a discount on ID membersh
| ip if you're a chapter member - incentive to create and be a part of a
| chapter.\
|
| >What about your proposed management structure
| (roles, responsibilities, titles)?
| For now Jeff and I will handle getting the NOVAs out, putting the money
| in the bank, and maintaining the database of members.

Nice start.  However, the plan is still mostly in your head.  Sure, there
are bits and pieces of it scattered through many mail messages on our
archives - mostly in short blurbs like you wrote above.  That's not good
enough.

The point of a business plan is to have a canonical document that describes
exactly what you propose to do.  So write one up for the IDM proposal that
includes everything _in_one_place_.  I and others don't have lots of time
to wade through everything you've posted in the past to try and make sense
of the deal.

Write it up.

| JOhn


Richard

--
Loudyellnet: Richard Johnson | Sneakernet: ECOT6-29 or ECNT1-6, CU Boulder
Phonenet: +1 303.492.0590    | Internet: johnsonr@Colorado.EDU
PGP 2.0 public key available on request
Speaker to avalanche dragons.   Do you really think they listen?
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:40:30 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      Political Update...

Hi SEDSland,

Congressman George Brown (D-Colton) was re-elected to another term in DC.
He said he's willing to lead the fight to keep Goldin head of NASA.

Whew...now Phil and I can sleep in on Saturdays :)

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:06:56 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      starter kits and IDM

I don't know where jeff/irwin got the idea of sending starter kits out...
but it's certainly not is the plan to send *everyone* a starter kit.
If we don't have the money to do it, we'll ask the individuals interested
to pay for the production and mailing (I think we we're charging $3-5 for
kits year ago)

The plan for the IDM will take a few days...it will probably be hashed
out at the CalSEDS general meeting this upcoming Thurday and posted after
the meeting.

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:33:00 EST
From:         "(Amy Marie Houts)" <houts@PSS.FIT.EDU>
Subject:      Hi from FIT SEDS!

Hi!  This is Amy Houts at FIT SEDS.  We just thought we'd tell
everyone on SEDS-L a quick "Hello!"

Hola que tal! I am Seratna Guadarrama Beltran, Space Science  major.
Greetings. My name is Juan Miranda, I'm a Computer Engineering major, and
I'm the FIT SEDS Computer Network Director, I'm Mexican too.
Hi I'm the SEDS photophoger. Is any one out there from Huntington, Connecticut?
My Name is Michael Adriani.....
Hola this is Seratna again,  I am  the  director FIT SEDS Tech.  Projects.  I am
 m
am mexican,  Ajua!
By the way, Mike meant photographer.
My name is Jose Jalapeno and I am Mexican and I am hot, like chiles and rocket
 engin
engines, I am supposed to be the technical experiments coordinator..
My  name is Brian Fischer, or Fish for short. I'm a EE major from Nueva York.
I'm also the SEDS Public Relations Coordinator.
My name is Guillermo Vazquez, I am from Spain and I am also a FIT SEDS member.
I am an Aerospace engineering major.
Hi, my name is Carlos Garcia-Galan. I am the president of Seds in F.I.T.I am
 also froms
also from Spain.My major is Space Science.I am glad to talk to you for the first
time.

Hi-Amy again.  I'll post everyone's E-mail account once we all have
them.  (Don't you love our typing skills?) The persons you have just
met (FIT Exec. Board) are real.  They are not fictitious. These
are real people and not actors.  We are VERY interested in
discussing spacey topics on SEDS-L, so drop me a line, and
I will forward messages to our chapter.  Right now, we have to
go coordinate the FIT SEDS SKYDIVING TRIP! See ya!
Ad Astra Per Ardua!
GO SEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amy & Clan (the FIT SEDS siege of SEDS-L has commenced!)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-ST-Vmsmail-To: FEDEX::"seds-l@tamvm1.tamu.edu"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:51:51 CST
From:         wingo%7977.span@FEDEX.MSFC.NASA.GOV
Subject:      UAH SEDS role in IDM

I perchance think that you have overstated our role in the IDM venture. We have
volunteered to produce ONE issue of the NOVA at no cost to the national or
any organization other than our own.  This is our gift to national as part of
our effort to support our organization. We will ENTERTAIN a proposal from
CalSEDS to work further on the effort BUT we have not volunteered to do what
is in reality most of the work for IDM in both manpower and resources.  By the
way we do not want the IDM thingy here if it is voted, to us it is a
distraction from other work that we are pursuing.

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:37:53 PST
From:         "(Jeffrey Alan Foust)" <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: more IDMs...
              at Nov 7, 92 9:33 am

>| I think not.  IDM - reach more students, generate some money - those
>| are the benefits...and we have suckers here ready to do the work.
>
>Wait a minute.  These 'benefits' keep changing.  A while ago, John was
>trumpeting how IDMs will give us a contact database for people who we
>can stick together to make SEDS chapters.  Now it's not a benefit.  Maybe
>Lisa had a point. ;)

Lesson: don't always take John literally. =)  I believe when John says
"Reach more students" his unstated meaning includes the phrase "generating a
contact database of students that can create SEDS chapters".  The benefits of
IDM I think have been made clear - better communication, encouraging the
growth of SEDS chapters by reaching interested students currently unable to
start a SEDS chapter, and raising funds.

The cost of copying and mailing 6 issues of the NOVA to a subscriber has
been calculated to be approx. $4.44. (see Irwin's post from Sunday - figures
that no one has yet questioned).  A SEDS chapter member IDM will get the
NOVA and 1-2 renewal notices, with a total cost of a little under $5.  A
non-SEDS chapter IDM will get the above plus 2-4 mailings a year with
information helpful for starting a SEDS chapter (a Starter Kit, a list of
IDMs at the person's shool and nearby, other information about starting a
chapter.)  This will run about $2 a year, for a total cost of about $7.  Since
a student non-SEDS IDM is charged $10, we make $3.  Non-student IDM's get the
NOVA, 2 renewal notices, plus 2-3 mailings per year asking for donations.
This will run $6-7 a year, making us a profit (not counting any donations
received) of $13-14 a year.

Yes, IDMs can deduct only tax-deduct the NOVA-subtracted cost of an IDM.
But then, how many students do you know take advantage of tax-deductions?
How many students even use a tax form that will permit them to do so?

Individual memberships will start off small - we won't immeadiately have
20,000 members.  For the short term I don't believe we'll do any advertising
that will cost us significant $$$.  We work by spreading the news by word of
mouth and word of e-mail =) and seeking what other free advertising we can get.
Once we've bootstrapped ourselves up to a high-enough level, we can consider
advertising in magazines.

As for keeping track of the money, if CalSEDS is chosen to operate the IDM
program, we will keep a full accouting of all funds received and dispersed
related to IDMs, and have the National Asst. Treasurer (Irwin) provide
regular reports on the financial status of the program.

The National Executive Board will be kept apprised of the status of the program
and will have the right, if they find the program failing, to move the
administrative site of the program or cancel it all together.

Well, enough for now...

Ad astra,

Jeff
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:09:54 EST
From:         alweigel@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: IDMs: Why Undertake Them?
              07 Nov 92 00:58:26 -0800. <9211070901.AA02964@Athena.MIT.EDU>

Jeff says: (getting tired of "writes" :)

> We don't need to hire a permanent staff member just to handle IDMs
>because the numbers will start off small, and there are SEDS members out there
>willing to spend time on top of other activities to help with the
 administration
>of IDMs.

With all that you *already* do, Jeff, I'm afraid that IDM's will take away
the only sleep that you currently get (and from my perspective, it seems minimal
at best already :) !

-Lisa
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:03:29 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      question...

Hi all,

Were we suppose to discuss the reimbursement policy (a specifically irwin's
case) at the tcon?

What are we going to do about it now?  Do we need to discuss the issue any
more on the L (like we're doing so well about IDM right now:) or can
we adopt the policy that seds board members can be paid back for expenses
incurred during national projects if they get prior approval from the
board?

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:24:46 PST
From:         "(Jeffrey Alan Foust)" <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      IDM Vote: Results

	The polls have closed on the SEDS-USA vote on IDMs.  Eleven of the
current thirteen board members have voted.  Here are the results as I have
tabulated them (Lisa, you will want to go through your votes and double-check
these results):

Question 1) Should SEDS-USA undertake a program of IDMs?

YES	7
NO	4


Question 2) If an IDM program is established, what chapter or other SEDS-USA
entity should handle the copying and mailing activities?

CALTECH/CALSEDS:	10
NO PREFERENCE		 1


Question 3) If an IDM program is established, what chapter or other SEDS-USA
entity should handle receiving the forms and money?

CALTECH/CALSEDS:	 6
MIT			 5


Given these results, it appears that SEDS-USA has approved an IDM program to
be administed solely by CalSEDS.  Now it's time for the California folks to get
to work setting up the program!

So, what other juicy, controversial issues should we discuss now? =)

Ad astra,
Jeff
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:22:00 EST
From:         SJB7@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: UKSEDS Chair & Sec on net
              6 Nov 1992 10:14:53 -0800

Well, then maybe you could tell me what SEDS tries to do as a group.  I just
signed on because it sounds like it could be related to a current line of
interest for me, but so far the group only talks about taxes, conventions, and
gets loads of data.  What's going on?
Sharon
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"seds-l@tamvm1.tamu.edu"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:14:53 -0800
From:         MRICHARDSON@JPLPDS.JPL.NASA.GOV
Subject:      UKSEDS Chair & Sec on net

Hi all,

     The UKSEDS Chair and Sec are now on the net...

Alex Ellery:  ccp118@cranfield.ac.uk
Sarah Pearce: pearces%orion.physics@ox.ac.uk

     Mark.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:36:29 PST
From:         "(Irwin Kenneth Horowitz)" <irwin%CitJulie.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doug
              6-Nov-1992

John...John...John...

With an attitude like you express in your latest reply to Doug, I can see
why certain folks in SEDS are not interested in working with you.

Please, everyone...we are not going to ignore the opinions of those whom
we disagree with on this issue or any other issue.  We want your input on
the subject of the individual membership program, regardless of what John
may say or do.  So before y'all get your flamethrowers warmed up :-), please
let's try to keep this discussion civil (what can I say...I'm an optimist).

Once again, on the IdM program...those of us here in California want to work
on this and believe we can make it successful, both in financial terms as
well as a method of publicity for SEDS.  We have set forth a basic outline
of what we perceive this program to entail.  We have given an estimated
budget (though we need to correct it for advertising the program, renewal
mailers, etc.).  I ask the members of the board to support this program, and
to think long and hard on the questions concerning the administration of the
program and how they will be best implemented.
                                        Irwin
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:05:23 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doug

>With an attitude like you express in your latest reply to Doug, I can see
why certain folks in SEDS are not interested in working with you.

Oh, common, I wan't being serious...chalk it up under the "john trying to
be cute" file...

Please, post what you think...it would be great to have input from the NE and
SE...

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:22:20 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      re: Richard

| I think not.  IDM - reach more students, generate some money - those
| are the benefits...and we have suckers here ready to do the work.

Wait a minute.  These 'benefits' keep changing.  A while ago, John was
trumpeting how IDMs will give us a contact database for people who we
can stick together to make SEDS chapters.  Now it's not a benefit.  Maybe
Lisa had a point. ;)

-------

Of course having a data base is a benefit (and we'll also have a rough
idea how many members SEDS has:)  Lisa points out that not every IDM
will be willing to start a chpater, I agree.  My point was that starting
chapters was not the main goal of the program, but it might just happen.

John
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: SEDS-L@TAMVM1.BITNET
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seds-l
Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:56:45 -0700
From:         Richard Johnson <johnsonr@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doug
              "SEDS-L%TAMVM1.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU" at Nov 6, 92 2:32 pm

|  blaming MIT we won't get anything done.  Maybe we should drop this issue for
|  a couple of months and let everybody cool off.
|
| I don't agree - we're just about to make a decision about IDM (and it's
| not that hard of a decision...just let the people who want it to happen
| make it happen and ignore all the people who have opinions who aren't
| willing to work on it.

Maybe this is why you're having problems with getting your way.  You
want to ignore anyone who doesn't agree with you.  Bad move.  All that
does is antagonize people, especially when presented with your usual
level of tact. ;)

Listen to the mere opinions of those who want to move cautiously, and
understand them well enough to internalize them.  If you do that, it
will be easy to answer the objections and move forward.

Merely shouting over and over again "GET OUT OF MY WAY, I WANT TO DO
SOMETHING" won't convince anyone that what you want to do, and how you
want to do it, is a good idea.  It certainly doesn't make me want to
trust you to make SEDS look good.

You posted a trial budget.  That's a good step towards answering my
groundless concerns.  But I'm still waiting to see the other sections
of the plan you propose.  What about the target market?  What about
perceived (and as Dave pointed out, unreal) conflict with SEDS
chapter membership?  What about your proposed management structure
(roles, responsibilities, titles)?

Grab a book or pamphlet from your library dealing with basic business
plans. ;)

| John

Richard

--
Loudyellnet: Richard Johnson | Sneakernet: ECOT6-29 or ECNT1-6, CU Boulder
Phonenet: +1 303.492.0590    | Internet: johnsonr@Colorado.EDU
PGP 2.0 public key available on request
Speaker to avalanche dragons.   Do you really think they listen?
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU