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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (wedge)
Subject: Re: U2
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:04:18 GMT

Re:  U2 as CP....

I think that the whole concept of ZOO TV and "Even Better Than The
Real Thing" is very info-age-esque (there's a $.02 crappy word for
ya), more than CP (no what-is/what-isn't crap, please - just IMHO as
per usual)...However, the video does say a lot about the heighths of
popular world culture, and is very much on the edge of technology...
In one simple example, where else have you seen Mtv, virtual sex,
satellite tv, and "information-flood" in one setting?  Every so often
it seems that some part of the current pop culture comes along and
sets a nice example for the current culture (for instance, the 80's
might be typified by "Family Ties" or the movie "Wall Street" or
somesuch, the 70's by disco, etc.) and I think that video serves a
similar purpose...It's kind of saying:  "look at yourself in the
virtual-video-mirror:  this is who we are as a society and hints at
who we are becoming"....I like it....It's got a good beat, but you
can't really dance to it - I give it an 84.23762387548732982 on a
scale of 93.4875438754387548754....

Not much punk about it, though....If there was a version showing that
Ilona lady (is that her name?) and her husband engaged (engorged?)
in *explicit* sex, and if the images came across the screen 5x faster
(and 6+ on the screen at a time), and if the text included a lot of
"bad" words, that would be somewhat more cyber*punk*, I guess, to an
extent...Especially if the images from the Gulf War were not of some
old guy talking, but actual people actually being
shot/killed/tortured...Showing no regard to censorship or what's
considered "obscene" or "inappropriate" - that'd be a little more
punk...

But still, the video has to rank right up there with Frontline
Assembly, ClockDVA, Front 242, maybe Laibach oughtta be included
there, in my list of "cp-esque videos"....Some techno videos might
also be included there, in my list...

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: morton@qucdntri.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: a book (w0w)
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:24:41 GMT

In article <5TBiPB11w165w@korova.uucp>, system@korova.uucp (razorback) writes:
> 
> i recently read a book called (yep, you got it!) 
>                   Lethal Interface

	WHO IS THE AUTHOR? It would make it easier for me to find the book.

		Thanks, 
		Stephen. 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis)
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:08:00 GMT

>Have you tried Virtual Reality by Howard Rheingold? 
Yup... that's a cool book.

>My only complaint about virtual reality, is that Nintendo made
>the power glove, and no one has hooked it up to a PC or Mac or
>something common for the masses to experiment with.
Yes someone has... it is fairly simple to interface the power glove
(and the sega 3d glasses) to a serial port... there is even a 
development system called rend386 that supports both.
I don't exactly remember the sites where I've seen rend386, but
there is a file area for the virtual-worlds group on the UW system
which has info on the sega glasses interface and a cool demo of
a game made with VRS amoung other "|<00l wArEz."  :-)

A good assumption is that if two things have wires in them
*SOMEONE* has found some way to stick them together...
In fact one could say that right now "sticking a lot of wires
together" is an important thing for "cyberpunks" to be doing!

-joe                         "No brain... No pain!"
                             "No pain... No gain!"
                           = "No brain... No gain!"
From: blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Benn L. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Keywords: like, totally, y'know
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:33:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <sXmTPB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
>
>Untill the cyberpunks create a culture of their own, a real way of life 
>that includes children, their just another 'parasite of civilization', an 
                         ^^^^^
                         they're   
>interesting tendency, a fashion, and not much more.
>
>Later, Bill

	damn, you know, just when you though you really finally belonged,
someone always has to come along and tell you that you are just a 
big fat leech.
	does feeding you're children cyberpunk cereal count?  or should
we just use funny   ^^^^^^^ contractions??????

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:03:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.202224.4250@src.umd.edu> tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.105343.3546@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
>>As for viruses, well, people say they write them 'cause they are
>>against the establishment.  Well, generally they tend to hurt folk
>>like secerataries, home users, etc.  Are they the establishment you
>>are out to hurt?
>
>Malevolent viruses I agree are a scourge to the planet, and I have
>no appreciation for their writers.
>
>I think people write viruses because they are engrossed with
>creating a kind of life form.  I don't know why people write
>malevolent viruses, perhaps just so people pay attention to their
>"new-born."  One could write a fast-spreading virus that does nothing.
>(Of course, the INTERNET Worm was supposed to be benevolent...
> that's why I can't get too mad at its author)
>
>
>-Thomas

Hey, if you can write a virsus that can get on my machine, and not use up
any of my resources, then good.  Resources include - disk space, cpu time,
memory space, network time, etc.

If you want to experiment with artificial life forms, do it on your own
machine.  Don't let a potentially dangerous virus ruin everybody's day
even though you have the most benevolent intentions.  That's what happened
with the internet worm.

Heck, you don't see bioengineers trying out their newborn by sprinkling
their virus into the water supply of major cities.

petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Halo
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:14:51 GMT

In article <0PHiPB2w165w@angus.mi.org> thx1138@angus.mi.org writes:
>
>   Someone wrote "why don't the bookstores around my area stock your
>   book".  I've looked for it too, to no avail.  You might want to 
>   remind your publishers that if people don't get exposed to the book
>   then no one
>   no one is going to buy it!  There's at least two here on the net (me
>   and that other guy).  Who knows how many others?!?

 It's only out in hard cover anyway. I'm waiting for the paperback.

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: leebal@teal.csn.org (Lee Ballentine)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Publishers and that lot
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:05:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter) writes:


>You know, I had always assumed that book publishers has some sort of 
>deal going with booksellers to give them X amount of books in each 
>genre and that the publishers decided what was going to go out there.

>I never knew that the booksellers took the time to review all of those
>books and decide what to get.  Too bad --I would imagine that some fine
>books are never on display just because some bonehead at a bookstore
>didn't think it would sell. 

Many booksellers still rely on publishers (and their reps) to help
make decisions about what to stock. Once the decision is made to
stock a book, especially new, big (frontlist) books, the reps are involved
again in helping decide how many copies to stock. In other words,
how many copies of the new Coonts thriller is an issue for both
bookseller and pub. rep.

Except for the chains. When Dalton's decides to order 50,000 copies
of the latest Kitty Kelly celeblab, they tend to make that decision
based on their internal sales history for that author.

All of which explains why the short story collection is a dying
niche of specialty publishing. Since sales of these collections are
usually much smaller than sales of novels (self-fulfilling
prediction?)... most writers won't give their collection to a
major publisher at all. To the chains, one book by, say, Pat Murphy,
is about the same as another--and when a collection has performed
less well in the chains than the author's previous novels, she's
likely to find chain orders for her subsequent novels "downsized."

As for the novelist who also publishes poetry or essays--he'd better
get a good pseudonym.

So it isn't really a question of "boneheads" in bookstores or
publishing companies--it's just that in our "commodity" system of
culture, we have no mechanisms to promote quality, intelligence,
originality, and the other traditional values of culture.

Everything is converted to dollars--and woe to anyone or anything
that gets in the way.

Lee Ballentine
probook@csn.org
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: sonic yth==cp music??
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:12:45 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Sonic Youth have been called (e.g. here in this newsgroup, in
postings about "CP Music") the quintessential CP band. I just
gave 'em a listen. What's so special about them? What's so CP?
Their tunes, playing and lyrics seem no different from many other
bands. Ho hum.

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From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: mondo 2000 history
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:12:45 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DM|>I'm afraid i'm still a little confused-- is the latest M2000 issue #7?
DM|>I've got (or at least i thought i had) a subscription, and I think the last
DM|>one
DM|>i got said it was #5...  was there a #6 and did i miss it, or are they just
DM|>numbering
DM|>them a bit odd?
DM|
DM|Yes, there was definitely a #6, and the new one is #7.  #6 had the
DM|"psychedelic JFK" picture on the cover.  #7 has Brenda Laurel.  Either
DM|your subscription ran out, or you got screwed...

Their subscription dept. is not too swift. I had to write, fax
and call them over the span of two months before I got a response
about having missed #4 &5 on a paid subscription. Then, when they
remedied the problem, they started sending me duplicates each
issue. I'm frustrated enough (both by the subscription hassles
AND by the editorial content, which has gotten more radical chic,
predictable, boring, clique-ish and mindless each issue) that I'm
not gonna alert them to the fact (if any Mondo officials are
reading this newsgroup, feel free to respond and remedy your
error) and will let my subscription lapse when it expires. Now,
big question -- do you think they'll have it together to (a)
*know* when it's supposed to expire: and (b) actually send me an
expiration notice and request for renewal??



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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Subject: Re: CP Mag (was Re: Books)
Keywords: Mondo 2000 in other formats?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:45:22 GMT

tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes:
> response to article <1992Aug13.00336.3754@src.umd.edu>
>               tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes... 
>
>>OK, what would be the most available form for distributing a mixed
>>text-graphic and perhaps sound-movie newsletter?
>
>  a tv and a vcr ;-)

Don't laugh.  Astrophysical Journal is publishing an upcoming issue with
an accompanying videotape.  It's a little easier for scientific journals
to do that, since the costs are, uh, astronomical (in normal you-and-me
real money terms), for the paper versions anyway.  There's an article
about it in a recent Science News, if you're interested.  
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"At least we're doing physics now, instead of just fucking with the computer."
					--me
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:06:36 -0400 
From: Carl Loeffler <cel+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: THE MATRIX is..

Hope this will be of interest for readers here--- I';m very fond
of Gibson's "Matrix," so:

STUDIO FOR CREATIVE INQUIRY
FAX: (412) 268-2829

Announcing the What: Networked Virtual Art Museum Technical
Demonstration, to be conducted at ~Expedition 92: Launching New Worlds
of Learning,~ Munich, Germany,. September 10-11, 1992

The ~Networked Virtual Art Museum~ is a project directed by Carl
Loeffler, Research Fellow, at the Studio for Creative Inquiry, College
of Fine Arts, CMU. The pioneering project investigates
telecommunications and virtual reality, and provides a basis for
multiple users located in distant geographical locations to be conjoined
in the same virtual, immersion environment.  The project employs
telecommunication hardware, as well as the hardware associated with
virtual reality: data eyephones and  directional hand held navigation
devices.

The immersion environment is an art museum, which contains galleries
offering exhibitions.  The exhibition presented for the Munich
demonstration is conceived by Director Carl Loeffler and is titled ~Fun
House.~  While based on the traditional concept of the fun house,~the
exhibition features advanced programming concepts such as agents with
Artificial Intelligence, mirrors offering reflections,  and game rooms
which explore gravity and other aspects of physics illustrated by
basketball games. 

Considered as a whole, the project is on the advancing edge of
telecommunications thru the exploration of immersion environments,
networked over long distance, while supporting multiple users. The use
of agents, and the articulation of  physics  and other details like
reflective mirrors , places the project at the forefront of the design
of virtual worlds. The Networked Virtual Art Museum utilizes the
WorldToolKit, a virtual world development software, available from
Sense8 Corporation. 


The first public demonstration of the project will take place September
10-11, in conjunction with ~Expedition 92: Launching New Worlds of
Learning,~ held in Munich, Germany., under the auspices of UNESCO  and
the Commission of the European Community.  ~Expedition 92~ conducts two
days of keynote addresses, workshops, and technical demonstrations.
Select participants include: Michael Eisner, Manager, Disney World;
Myron Krueger, Producer, Artifical Reality; Kevin McGee, MIT Media Lab;
Siegmund Prillwitz, Director, Institute for Sign Language;  Kristina
Hooper Woolsey, Director, MultiMedia Lab, Apple Computer; among many
others.

For information contact:
Carl Eugene Loeffler
Project Director
Telecommunications and Virtual Reality
Studio for Creative Inquiry
College of Fine Arts
Carnegie Mellon University
Tel: (412) 268-3452
FAX: (412) 268-2829
Email: cel@andrew.cmu.edu
From: blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Benn L. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: twenty minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:25:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	Well, I don't think it would be lying to
say that the present is fairly cyberpunk as it is.  
	We've got the vampires, ravers, vr freaks, hackers. . .
	And the power in the gov't and corporations is also fairly
undescribable:  BCCI and Iran-Contra, both used telecommunications very
heavily to swindle some serious information and non-cash.  
	News as well is unfortunately more slanted than
I'd like to believe.  I wouldn't even admit to a conspiracy myself until
I started watching McNeil-Lehrer Newshour on PBS.  There is one hell
of a difference between what a non-biased group like PBS reports compaired
to what a network keeping sponsers happy reports.
	The internet might be any three dimensional virtual reality heaven, but
hey, its virtually freeality-internationaly.  Nothing has ever been done to
link the world this easily.
	The culturism of sex (oooooh) has also changed immensely in the
past twenty years or so towards 'future sex.'  For proof, just
look at the success of VOX (that fiction dialog between two phone sex callers.)  Not to mention computer sex. . .
	I'm talking about cybervision on a really big scale-most of America 
is becoming pretty damn familiar with super tech, or at least 
using it every day not to mention living it everytime someone faxes
their wife a love note.
	If one of the dogmas of cyberpunk is living twenty minutes into
the future, we're there already.
	So why am I bandwithawasting?
	It was Worhol who once said something to the effect of:
Everbody has fifteen minutes of fame in their lifetime.
	Well, if we're already 20 minutes into the future, we
were famous five minutes ago.  I think I missed mine and HEADS ARE
GONNA ROLL BECAUSE I WANT IT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ALLLLLLL
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

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From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Spider Robinson
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:19:21 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug17.194039.22221@honte.uleth.ca> tagg@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>     Just in case any of you guys care, there is an excellent Canadian author
>by the name of Spider Robinson.  His novel, _Mindkiller_ is not really cpunk,
>but it is sort of pre-cp, in the sense that the events occouring in the novel
>could be part of a timeline that lead up to cp.  

A friend of mine once said, "Spider Robinson is a goon.  But he does
come up with the best puns."  I tend to agree.

For his puns, see the Callahan's Place stories.
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From: lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:28:16 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

You know, now that you mention it, I do think U2 is cyber punk, and will be isntumental in commercializing CP.  For that matter, I think Led Zeppelin was perhaps the first "true" cyber punk band.  What do you think?

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dlwood@mothra.cns.syr.edu (David L Wood)
Subject: Re: Books
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:07:15 EDT

In article <1992Aug12.201707.12285@src.umd.edu> tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>Is Phrack still writing stuff?  (Been a long time out of the computer
>underground for me)  Gee, if they still are, I bet they have GIFs and
>movies and sounds plus the ASCII...

Sure they are! It's still ascii though.  You can get copies from ftp.eff.org
anonymously.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Books
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:19:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.175958.17333@cis.umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>Broadcast on the x, k and ka bands from a beam antenna from the front of your car.

Much discussed on rec.radio.amateur.misc, transmitting on the ham
microwave bands whilst driving, and finding out just who exactly
has radar detectors...

So as to not be a total waste of bandwidth, we were discussing 
small color cameras for RC aircraft, and guess what appeared in August
NASA Tech Briefs...

Toshiba IK-M40A.  "This fixed-lens camera uses a 1/2", 420,000 pixel
CCD image sensor and Y/C video output to put over 460 lines of
horizontal resolution into a camera head just 1-1/2" long, 
5/8" in diameter, and weighing only 1/2 ounce.  It has minimum
resolution of only 10 lux and automatic tracking to adjust white
balance during changing lighting conditions."

Electronic shutter speeds from 1/60 second to 1/10,000 second for high-speed
images.  For more information, call 1-800-253-5429.

I think old Commodore Amiga 1000 monitors have Y/C input, I'll have to check.
Course, Toshiba might have some wierd proprietary output.  

Oh yeah, if you have a TV camera of some sort (CDD or vidicon), 
turn out all the lights and photograph an IR remote control in action.
See the near-IR transmissions? You don't but your camera probably will.
Go buy an IR filter from Edmund Sci. ($40 or so), and put it over a
floodlight, and you have a cheap near-IR nightvision system.  Course,
you could buy a much more efficient IR receiver than your camera, like
a specialized nightvision tube.

-Thomas
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: Re: CP Music?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:19:08 GMT

damian likes farm animals, the lovely lad that he is..

haha damian

sines
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