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From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Meaning of IRAQ
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:12:14 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Salam Doostan

I can give you a reference on the meaning of the word IRAQ.
The "AMID PERSIAN DICTIONARY" published in 1978 by Amireh Kabir publications
states that IRAQ refers to a coastal region on the shores of a sea or river.
( i.e. Kenareh nahr ya darya ).

Best of wishes Khoda Hafez
Peyam
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: SpicMacay:Indian Dance(ODISSI):LEC-DEM:AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:32:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
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  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Dollar hits record low against D-mark
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:49:49 GMT


	BONN, Germany (UPI) -- The U.S. dollar continued its downward slide
and hit a record low on Frankfurt markets for the second day in a row
Friday, trading at 1.4509 German marks.
	The greenback had fallen to 1.4535 marks in Frankfurt Thursday.
	It dropped further to 1.4509 marks Friday.
	The previous record low in Frankfurt was set Feb. 12, 1991, when the
U.S. currency traded at 1.4535 marks.
	The Bundesbank, the German central bank, did not intervene to support
the dollar Thursday and Friday.
	As the Bundesbank's governing body held its regular meeting Thursday,
the bank announced that the expansion of the M3 money volume in July
remained way outside its 1992 target band of 3.5 to 5.5 percent.
	The bank said the money volume expanded by 8.6 percent in July, after
8.7 percent in June and 8.6 percent in May.


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From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: ostAde sokhan kAmbiz ...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.155851.11361@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:

...
> Zin hamrahan sost anasor delam greft
                    ^^^^^^       ^^^^^
...
> Maybe my English is not that good, since I do not live in an English speaking
> country, but my persian is unmatched. Here I have written a piece of poetry
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...
> Az Eshgi va khodam Tazmini miavaram (Here I just change Modares with ...
                     ^^^^^^^
...



A student asked his professor: "be che *majouzi*(!) nomreye adabiyyAte man rA
                                kam dAdid?" 
The professor answered: "be hamin majouz !!!"

Well Mr. Kambiz, it's understandable that you were a little bit "dastpAcheh" and
made some mistakes, but I believe that you still need to know that the plural
of "onsor" is "anAser" and not "anAsor"!


> Be [  ...  ] natavan kard jesarat Amma
>                    Inghadar hast ke dar rahgozarash bayad rid.


hAfaze she'r-o ghenayi AghA kAmbiz ammA
                     be savAde to ze dastoore zabAn bAyad ...

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: How Conveniently Done!
Originator: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU
Organization: FoozoolbAsh Corporation, LTD PLC GMBH SA Inc. 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:45:02 GMT


ali@utrcv1 (Ali Eslami) writes:

>I was just wondering if any of you guys watched Republican National
>convention last night, I Liked Patrick Buchanan speech the best. He sounded
>like a good christian; I really wish he was running for republican instead
>of Bush. It's only a matter of time before american people wake up and
>smell the roses. We will get no where without faith and religion.
>

Of course, we ought not to forget that Buchanan was Reagan's propaganda
minister. I distinctly remember a speech by Buchanan which I saw on TV
around the time the Iran-Contra affair was being uncovered. I remember
his exact words: "So what is wrong with ripping off the Ayatollah and 
funding the Nicaraguan Freedom Fighters?". Mr. Buchanan is not only a true
believer, he is also a smart businessman. Afterall, what is so wrong with
ripping off the Ayatollah, i.e. the Gov't of Iran, or ultimately, Iran
in exchange for arms to be used in a war that was started with US backing
of Iraq??? Don't get me wrong. I do not by any means want to see my 
homeland run over by Saddam's thugs. But on one side, they help start
the war and then they sell arms at inflated prices to the other side.
He is truly a wonderful Christian. Maybe I should convert too and become
a true Christian and wake up and smell the roses. Maybe then, I will 
be wealthy enough to afford an education in dAneshgAheh AzAd.


Alas, I couldn't help but notice the following as well.

ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
[a summary of the BBC documentary regarding CIA activities in Iran]

>William Casey (the deceased CIA chief) was personally pampering Reza (on
>Anssari's evidence) while at the same time organising the covert operation
>selling arms to the Khomeini regime and diverting the exhorbitant
>profits to support the contra bands in Nicaragua.

So it wouldn't be too unreasonable to assume that the money received from Iran
pampered AghA RezA as well as the Nicaraguan Contras.

So let me get this straight. The Americans assisted Saddam in attacking
Iran, hoping to overthrow the gov't and conquer the country. Then they turn
around and sell arms to the Iranian Gov't at ridiculous prices. They use that
money to pamper AghA RezA and the Contras. A penny or two in their pockets too.
Hmmm......

Buchanan, Reagan, Oliver North & Co. are happy because they sell junk weapons 
for lotsa cash as well as getting all dem' dammmm' darkies killin' each otha!

The Iraqis are happy because Master Saddam thinks he is going to conquer Iran.

The Contras are happy, because after all, Aya Caramba, we got mucho dollars.

The Iranian Gov't is happy because now they have real arms to fight Saddam.

AghA RezA and Co. are happy, because, well, hey it's cash!


Who gets screwed here?

Mellateh IrAn. 


Asghar AghA



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (C. Ognibene-Moussavi)
Subject: MOAFI???
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:02:09 GMT


Hello,
  I'm confused about the moafi issue - can someone give me a quick summary
of what payments can be made? Are the payments listed in previous articles
regarding permanent or temporary exemption from military? 
  What is the equivalence of rials and tomans to dollars? What would one
need to pay to receive permanent exemption if he has a 4 year college
degree in computer science? 
  What's the chance of one paying the money, and then the government
changing the rules 3, 10, however many years from now? By changing the
rules I mean the government saying, "Ok, all previous payments are now
void."

                   Thanks!
                       Carla
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: ***** Independence Day *****
Summary: ****************************
Keywords: Rooz-h AzAdi
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:21:10 GMT


There are some countries that have Independence Day(ID). Countries like 
India, Kuwait :), Russia, Japan even U.S. has one. Does anyone know
wether Iran has an Independence Day? Or are we independent yet? 

In case we do have such an event in our calendar. What day of the year
is it?


BA-Tashkkor
Amir



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Some books
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:16:53 GMT



Halaj said EnAlHagh. I do not know what he meant by that, but I think he
meant like everybody in this group: Hagh ba man ast. Since I feel that I have
blown some life into the Islamic society of uncultured Iranians, I shall
proceed further by some cultural droppings. I will call it " An Introductory 
Introduction to how begin starting reading some nonIEEE books!". 


Darkness at noon by Arthur Koesthler: This book was actually forced on me. But
I liked it very much. It is about an imaginary member of the central committee
of the soviet at the time of Stalin. He is arrested during the purges of 30s
by Stalin. In  prison he meats a friend and a mirror of himself as the
interrogator. This friend asks him to accept the accusation for the good of the
party and peopl.

Leo the African by Amin MaAloof: This book is recommended to those interested
in historical novel. The Time is when Granada falls by Isabella's troops and
the exodus of Muslim and jews from Spain. This book travels in the old cities 
of the time. Very fascinating.

Between to palaces by Najib Mahfooz: The story is a about a contemporary 
Egyptian family. It starts at the time when Egypt was a protectorate of
Britain. It gives an insight to the near history of Egypt and the 
everyday life of a family in that historical context. Najib Mahfooz is
a litterature Noble prize winner.

Quite flows the Don by Sholokhov: This book is a Noble prize winner and about
the civil war after the Russian revolution. It is a war against old friends 
and against oneself. People change side from whites to reds and back and  
destiny is decided cruelly. There is a slaughter and moral degradation on
both sides. Like any civil war, humanity is the one which suffers most. 

Russian 19th century Writers: Very good stuff. Books like fathers and Sons by
Thorgeniev or Anne Karenin by Tolstoi are classical. They take up the 
political and philosophical streams at the time and the social and value
changes after the fall of servage system in 1861 and the appearance of an
upstart class.

A thieve's diary by Jan Genet: A french writer, criminal and homosexual he
was very disputed. This book is really a selfbiography of a criminal. 
Interesting stuff for moralists.



I can go on and on, but I hope others take up the thread from here.


                                  Shad bashid
                                      Kambiz
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mo'afi , another way of making money
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:50:46 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Aug15.194848.26553@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

> In article <1992Aug14.085958.17324@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

> . . .

> > The same again.  Remember, in the Shari'ah law they have introduced, even
> > murderers (yes, not only manslaughters but murderers too) can escape punishment
> > by paying money to the victims families.  

> The above information is wrong. The victim's family has one the following
> choices:
> 1) kill the killer
> 2) one degree forgiveness: accept an amount of money instead of killing.
> 3) forgive totally and just let the killer go!

You are confused Sayyed. The system is based on the early primitive societies
values, where, a) families "owned" their members, b) killing wasn`t a (social)
crime but an aggression against a family, c) the killer would be "revenged"
rather than being "punished" and d) it was up to the family to carry out the
revenge, get a compensation or let the murderer go free if they like (or even
kill a member of the murderer's family if they couldn't get hold of the
murderer her/himself).

But, Seyyed, we live in a different world, if you have yet failed to notice.  

> The decision is up to the family of the victim. Now if the killer is a 
> professional killer who threatens the security of the community, he is 
> "mofsed fel-arz" and he will be executed.

You are confused again.  You don't have to be a murderer to become a "mofsed
fel-arz" in Iran today.  The overwhelming majority of the thousands marked as
"mofsed fel-arz" and executed in Iran in the last 13 years had never killed
anybody.  Professional killers like Khalkhali, Gilani, Lajavardi etc were
rather rewarded for their "service to Islam" by the authorities.

> This seems fair to me. DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION?

No, the reward system seems to work o.k.

-hossein

p.s.  I'll be away from 20th August to 7th Sept.  So you are free to respond as
you like as I won't be around to disturb your mind (though others may be!)
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Request
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:14:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Aug13.141439.4655
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


Speaking of Siavosh ShahjariAn and "Por Kon Pialera..." I believe the poetry
from that music is from Hafez, in fact the announcer specifically says so--
"Golhayeh tawzeh, nomreyeh haftdod o haft... Por kon pialera," etc. etc.,
let's see, "...honarmandan..." ah yes, here it is,... (my mental indexer is 
running slowly today... "...qazal az Hafez..."

Okay so, if any of you "Eye rainians" happen to know it, would anyone be
willing to attempt a translation of this part of Hafez?  I know it is
difficult, and yet I maintain it is possible.  My wife says it's too hard, but
I don't know.  I cry every time I think of only the the phrase "por kon
pialera, kane ob be atesheen, deereest,  rahraha.. " I forget the rest.
Anyway, phrases like, "bee setaram" are really easy to understand.  It is so
beautiful, but I can't understand a lot of it. Sigh.  So if anyone gets
motivated, I'd really like to hear a (even a rough) translation. Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Islamic world news
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:32:32 GMT

                                
>                Arab Nationalism and Ottoman Rule

>     Over  a  hundred  years  ago,  Imperialism,  in  those  days
>represented by  France, Britain and Russia, sought to destroy the
>Ottoman House  from  within,  because  it  had  become  virtually
>impossible predictably  to destroy  it from  without. Imperialism
>unrelenting efforts  to bring  down the authority in Istanbul was
>because Istanbul  represented  the  central  authority  by  which
>Muslims the world over still enjoyed a notion of common cause vis
>a vis the historic hostilities of Europe. The internal erosion of
>the Ottoman  state depended  upon hundreds  of trained  agents in
>espionage  and  infiltration.  When  the  time  was  right,  this
>internal Europe  Imperialist network  began to foment and agitate
>centrifugal forces  under the  slogans of  equality, freedom  and
>fraternity. One  of these centrifugal forces, which was to become
>Imperialism's Trojan horse, was Arab nationalism.

Was not Ottoman empire an Imperialist state itself. This is
turkish propaganda shit.
                                  Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: Gulf War oil pollution less severe than thought
Keywords: Persian Gulf
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:16:11 GMT

In article <sehari.714329262@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>
>I wonder what would be the environmental damage, if Saddam had nuclear and 
>biological weapons!  I guess, all the middle east would have gone up in the 
>smoke.
>
>                          With highest regards,
>                               Babak   Sehari.

  I would'nt know about that. But we all know how much his chemical weapons
  damage Middle East environment in war with Iran.


  Amir


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From: mlahsaie@supernet.dallas.haus.com (Mithra Lahsaie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Men
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:18:18 GMT
Organization: Harris Adacom Corporation

ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:

>In article <1992Aug10.130351.13710@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes...
>>
>>As an American, it is strange to see some Iranian men going through the kind
>>of self doubt that this era often makes American men feel with respect to
>>women. ..............
>
>Dear peter;
>As an Iranian man I have to accept it that you are right. Most of Iranian
>women in here Which I talked to prefer to marry an American men or some
>other nationality. 

As an Iranian woman I assure you that this is not necessarily true.  Personally,
I would rather marry an Iranian than someone from a different country.  Marrying
an Iranian cuts down on a lot of cultural differences.  Also since I have to
speak english most of the day, I'd prefer to yap in Farsi when I come home from 
work.  A lot of my female Iranian friends agree with me in this matter.

>I don't know if it's because most of us lost our persian
>value and culture trying so hard to be an american or something else.

I think the problem is rather trying to learn the western culture *on top* of
the Iranian values.  For example, we like dating, but we don't want anyone to
find out about it.  Therefore, we go to the EXTERME trying to come up with
a story to justify beeing seen with a person of the opposite sex.  Remember the
old American movies where the guy would date several women and call all of them
his nieces?  Well, most Iranians do the same thing these days.  Maybe, because
of all these problems it's simply easier to date/marry an American.  At least
Americans don't have a problem introducing their girl/boyfriends to the
public.  This is just one example, there are many other examples just like this
one.

>Yes; This is typical treatment of Iranian women by Iranian men. I think we
>like to take what's only good for ourselves from both cultures. we like our
>wife to work and bring the paycheck home and at the same time do all the
>house work and cooking too. we like to go out and have a good time like
>americans but when it comes to our wife, the story is different. we should
>realize it we can't have our cake and eat it too at the same time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this matter also.  This behavior in men has
nothing to do with their nationality.  I think there's something on the Y
chromosome that forces men to behave this way.  Even American men would rather 
have a wife who works both outside and inside the house.  Basically, most men
want a slave + a mother figure and not a wife.

>I think nationality and culture does not have anything to do with a
>successful marriage as far as you always give a little more than what you
>are asking for.

You are absolutely right.  I personally believe that any two people can have a
successful marriage, if they work on it.  Unfortunately, these days it's
fashionable for single people to run away from marriage and for couples to give
up on it real easily. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7263 soc.culture.afghanistan:862
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: baghdad is an iranian city
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:07:02 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

In article <92231.213228WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid) writes:

>In article <sehari.714183183@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak
>Sehari) says:
>>
>>---
>>
>>
>>Further more, I believe Iran was the first "United States of Middle East",
>>or as a mater of fact it was the first "United States" of any kind in the
>>history of the world.  Isn't it Ironic that Americans, took this Iranian
>>idea and reintroduce it to the world without any mention of our name?
>>Aren't they plagiarising?! This is not the only instance that they done so.
>>Another example is the charge card, those of you remember that in olden days
>>all the grocery stores had a book, that customer used to buy things and the
>>grocer used to write it in his book and by the end of the month, when most
>>people got paid, they used to go to grocer and pay him the charges. -:)
>>Isn't our Bazaar, has been copied under the name "Shopping mall"? -:)  Is
>>not the duality that western people use to judge things come from old
>>Iranian religion of Zartoshtians, " Ahora Mazda, and Ahriman".  The use of
>>candle for religious purposes also have the same origin. I can go on and
>>on....
>>
>>                        With highest regards,
>>                             Babak   Sehari.


>please, give us a break.  i hope you are joking (inspite your smileys
>i fear you might be taking your ideas seriously).  according to your
>grand logic just because iranians know how to color their hair blonde
>does not mean that bleacing one's hair was invented by you folks.

>think about it, will ya.
>cheers!

I thought about it, and turned out that the credit should be given when it 
is due. The light bulbe would be invented eventually, if it was not Edison, 
it would be someone else, Eupopean would have learned how to add numbers if 
KhArazmy (Muhammad Al-Khoarasmi, the name which is converted to ALGORISM; 
from original to French, then to English. Britanica encyclopedia) would not 
introduce his book "Algabr and Moghabeleh" to them. (in fact I did not hear 
any news that U.S. sent any thank you note to the people of Iraq for helping 
them calculate the trajectory of their bombs. (khArazmy was born in todays 
Iraq)). And finally, railroads, mailing system, and one way street would 
have been invented if Persians wouldn't have done them 2500 years ago! 

Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---