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From: dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025)
Subject: Canseco
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 19:45:07 GMT

I think Texas win this trade handsdown.  
Texas had planned to do some serious dumping at
the end of the season. So instead of getting
draft picks, they now either have a superstar
on the team to replace Sierra (signed and affordable
as compared to what this free agent class will be asking)       
or they have a player which is serious trade bait 
to land some much needed pitching.

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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: triple play O's & M's 8/30
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:25:00 GMT

In article <dudgeon.715276365@milton>,  dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu writes...
>I was there.  I saw the play.  I still don't understand how they got two outs
>at second base.  Can someone explain?

I'm not absolutely certain--maybe one of the rules people can help us out--but
here's what I THINK happened.

Brady on 2nd, Milligan on 1st, Devereaux at bat.  Devereaux hits a rocket to
right which Buhner makes a great catch on.  Milligan immediately took off, 
and ran up Anderson's back.  When the ball was caught (one out), Milligan 
apparently passed Brady (Moose is out)--the throw then came to second for
the third out (Brady).  I hope I got this straight...

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:32:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.172554.3164@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:
>
>Well, who is he???

Jeff Kent is 24 and can play 2B or 3B.  He is no defensive whiz, but
I've seen worse.  This year he is hitting .241/.326/.449.  That's
*eight* HR (and 13 2B) in only 187 AB.  And he's still young.  And
he's a rookie, which makes him even more valuable.  (The Mets get him
free for a while.)

>And: is this all that a David Cone gets on the open market?

What did you expect?  He *is* a free agent in five weeks.  Besides,
don't forget the PTBNL.  It could very likely be Ed Sprague or
somebody like that.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:23:57 GMT

In article <180hccINNlj2@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu> jeffyg@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu  
(Jeffrey Wayne Geist) writes:

> After unloading Jose's monster salary, they can afford Ruben.

Unfortunately, Sierra will probably cost the same as Canseco's current  
salary.
 

> Russell:  The Rangers could not afford to get rid of him. The A`s
> definitely dont need him.  Dont be surprised if hes traded again in the  
> next couple of days.

The A's WILL NOT trade Russell THIS season. Anyone they got for him would  
NOT be eligible for post season play. No, Russell will be around the rest  
of this year to set up Eck and bolster the A's middle relief.
  
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From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 17
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:44:18 GMT

From article <92238.231056IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, by Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>:
> LAST WEEK'S PLAY:
>      On a 3-2 count the pitcher sends a fast ball high and tight to
>      a right handed hitter. The batter attempts to get out of the
>      way by turning counter clockwise. The ball strikes him in the
>      hip as he loses his grip on the bat. The bat falls to the
>      ground in front of the plate. You're the home plate umpire.
>      What's the call?
> THE CALL:
> The batter in the first play is out on strikes. The intent of the
> batter is not a factor in this play. A strike is defined in Rule
> 2.00 as a legal pitch which "Is struck at by the batter and is
> missed." Even though the batter didn't intend to, he swung at the
> pitch when he turned and lost control of his bat. Whether a batter
> has swung or not is determined by whether the bat head broke the
> parallel plane of the front of the plate. Despite what people have
> argued for years, "breaking" of the wrists means nothing when
> determining if a batter swung or not.

But your description of what happened is that he did NOT swing, but was
attempting to get out of the way.  Since there was no attempt, even aborted,
to hit the ball, the bat head position is immaterial.  Suppose, for example,
that the bat was still on his shoulder when he was hit, then fell, or
suppose that the bat fell with the head pointing at the batter.  Would you
still call it a strike?  Based on the facts as presented, the ball was not
"struck at", so it is a hit batsman, not a strikeout.
From: larryw@lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL Cy Young update
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:48:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug29.224810.16232
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


I like Clemens too.  Year after year he is on the list of Cy Young
contenders while his competition changes.  You have to respect a guy 
who plays on a team that has had inconsistencies in offense and defense
for some time now.  I hope he wins it again this year.  He's the 
most consistent pitcher in baseball.

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From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.200804.20877@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>Hurst was a loss.  Boddicker wasn't.  *HOW* much is he being paid to
>do *WHAT*?  The Sox should wave Boggs bye-bye, and concentrate on
>younger players.

Boddicker is being paid over $3 million to be an ineffective long
reliever/spot starter/DL monger.  And, he's got another year left on his
contract.

The Royals really know how to sign free agents.


Dave Elliott
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: A question on free agency
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.182202.27230@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>I don't think this is exactly right.  There is a deadline for offering
>arbitration to free agents.  I believe it comes after the beginning of the
>period during which the free agent can start entertaining other offers.
>If he signs quickly, before the deadline for offering arbitration, than the
>club still gets the draft picks even though it never offered arbita\ration.

I don't think that other clubs are allowed to sign the player until he had
declined the arbitration offer.  Of course, I can be wrong.  It won't be the
first (or the last) time.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Subject: Re: 'Ol George goes for 3000, BUT ...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:38:59 GMT

In article <2225@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu writes:
>It looks like Brett has a pretty good chance at getting to 3000
>hits this year. I wonder about the price to the Royals though. I mean
>George is still a reasonable player with decent numbers in a
>tough park (no Pete Rose story here) but it seems he has stopped
>walking (hurting the team) in order to facilitate the effort. If
>you look at his AB/BB ratios throughout his career you see that
>he didn't walk a lot when he came up. The ratio was 21+ in his
>rookie year and around 14 for couple years after that. Then he
>made a major correction and the ratios went to 10, then stayed
>mostly in the 5-7 range thru 1988. It jumped to 8 in 1989, 10
>in 1990, I don't have '91 handy. This year the ratio is 15. Other
>explanations are possible but I guess I think George is looking for
>hits at the expense of walks. He's not the first guy to substitute
>personal goals for team success but it's distasteful to see it.

Brett has never been the sort of hitter who is selective enough and takes
enough pitches to walk a great deal.  He has only walked 100 times once
(1985).  I don't think he has changed any of his approaches to hitting since
he started having success in the mid-70s.

If you want a reason for his low walk totals, take a look at his declining
power.  For years, he was the most pitched-around player in the league.
That was the only reason he had decent walk numbers.  He is feared no
longer, and pitchers are not pitching off the plate as much any more.  He's
not doing anything different than he ever has.

Brett has said that he will play until he gets 3000.  If he gets it this
year, he may consider retirement after this season.  This sort of hanging on
for personal goals may be hurting the team, because if he is on the roster
they are pretty much forced to pencil him into the middle of the lineup.
But no way is he up there hacking away looking for hits at the expense of
the team.



Dave Elliott
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Pitchers who can hit.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:34:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <26AUG199211483729@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>In article <BtLDsy.B76@zoo.toronto.edu>, rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes...
>>Seems like we have to go through this every year, doesn't it?
>>Anyway, remember what they do with pitchers who can hit (regardless
>>of how well they pitch)?  Ask Babe Ruth.
>
>A horrible thought:  If there had been a DH rule in 1915 in the AL, Babe Ruth
>might have had 0 HR and a long pitching career.
>
Dream on.  With the DH rule, Boston would have played Babe Ruth as the pitcher,
and later in his career, he would have forsaken the mound for the outfield.  

AND he would have DHed the other 120 or so games of the year.  And he might
have stayed with the Red Sox.

Geez.  At least come up with *good* rebuttals.

>For those who believe no pitcher can be a (career) decent hitter, 
>consider the lifetime hitting stats of Don Newcombe (ML 1949-1960):
>AB    H  2B  3B   HR  R  RBI   BA   SA
>878  238 33   3   15 94  108  .271 .367
>
>and in 1955:
>AB    H  2B  3B   HR  R  RBI   BA   SA
>117  42   9   1    7 18   23  .359 .632
>
>Obviously, there are HOF'ers with lower lifetime BA (e.g. Pee Wee Reese .269).
>
As if Pee Wee Reese is in because of his batting average...

>Big Newk was a better hitter than most of the currently healthy Mets position 
>players.  :-)

Read the *&%*&^% subject line!  "Pitchers who *can* hit", not "Pitchers who
*could* hit".  If the best you can do is a man who's 66 right now, then no
wonder pitchers bat ninth...Newcombe would probably *still* be one of the best
hitting pitchers in the game if he played today.


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From: kwh@stiatl.salestech.com (Kurt Hoyt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ron Gant: What the hell is wrong?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:18:48 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.

bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes:



>Any information concerning the pathetic play of Mr. Ron Gant would be
>greatly appreciated.

>Does he stand to lose playing time to Sanders/Nixon (especially since the
>Braves want Sanders to stay)?

Yes. He is already losing playing time to both Sanders and Lonnie Smith.
Though when Smith plays, Gant has played CF.

>Is he hurt?

No.

>He is on my fantasy league team and I am considering unloading him.

Fine, but consider that the other owners probably know about his extended
slump, so you may not get much for him. Better to wait for him to have a
good September/October and trade him in the off-season when his value is
higher.
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Aug 26th, 1992
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:14:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <44655@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>
>        MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STANDINGS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 1992
>
>		     Won   Lost   Pct.    GB   Last 10   Streak   Home   Road
>
>NATIONAL EAST
>Philadelphia Phillies 51    73    .411  19.0     z4-6    Lost 5  29-35  22-38
                                   ^^^^
>
>AMERICAN WEST
>Seattle Mariners      52    74    .413  24.0      7-3     Won 2  29-33  23-41
                                   ^^^^  
YES!  YES!! YES!!!

The MARINER juggernaut rolls on!


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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reardon, Clark traded from the Sox?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:20:57 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <farenebt.715008087@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>I was told that Jeff Reardon also cleaned out his locker and I've heard
>no official trade of him either. Any more on that Bostonians?

Well, I'm not a Bostonian (though I might be in a year...) 
Today's (8/28) LA Times has a blurb in the baseball section
that Reardon will be going to the Braves - I don't have the
paper in front of me, but recall that it was discussing the
Cone deal and was a throwaway line & sounded like it was
98% a done deal (which, of course, is not a done deal at all...).
No mention of who would go back to Boston.  (Please, not
Keith Mitchell!)

Dave


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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:58:00 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <55969@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.181727.26811@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>3) The 5 man rotation. Research has shown that the biggest problem is
>>not how many innings total are pitched so much as it is how many innings
>>are pitched when the arm is tired.  If managers switched back to a 4 man
>>rotation, pitchers might be able to pitch a few more innings without the
>>strain of those innings pitched post-tiredness.


>I followed you up until this. Are you saying that 4 man rotations had one
>more reliever so the starters threw less innings per start and thus less
>when tired? The reason I ask is that I was under the impression that in
>the past pitchers threw more innings(but fewer pitches) and assuming they
>were in 4 man rotations it doesn't follow that 5 man rotations increase
>the number of innings pitched while tired.

Well, no it doesn't.

What I mean is that research indicates that it might be easier for a
pitcher to handle 40 7 inning starts than 31 9 inning starts because
with the latter, the pitcher is pitching more innings when his arm has  
already had a full workout of 7 innings.  In the former, the pitcher is
pitching the same amount of innings but is never putting the extra strain
of those 2 last 2 innings after tiredness has set in.

What I'm saying is that the move to the 5 man rotation has decreased
the # of starts the pitcher has in a season but does not enable the
pitcher to last significantly longer in a game.  Because of the other
factors, the number of innings per start has gone way down since the
switch to 5 man rotations.  What I'm saying is that with a 4 man rotation
most starters would be able to handle more innings than they do now
(because they would start more games and would only end up being taken
out a little earlier than they are now) without increasing arm problems.

So.  Let's say a pitcher now starts 32 games and lasts an average of
7 innings each time.  So he pitches 224 innings.  I think that he could
start 40 times, lasting an average of 6 1/3 innings per start, thus 
pitching about 253 innings, and probably put less stress on his arm.

Does that make sense, or am I even more confusing this time around?

Greg 
       
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From: twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:35:59 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug31.192834.18212@linus.mitre.org> sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.140343.27189@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <31AUG92.14181014@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>There are such a lot of ex-football players who turn into actors
>>>(alleged actors, that is).  Alex Karras, Dandy Don Meredith, etc. etc.
>>>and let's not forget that brilliant thespian Fred Dryer.  How come
>>>there aren't any ex-baseball player actors?  There's Bob Uecker
>>>I suppose, but other than that I can't think of anybody.
>>
>>There was Chuck Connors, the "Rifleman."
>>
[football players deleted]

>As far as baseball players are concerned, in addition to Chuck Connors
>I can only think of one significant dramatic role, and that is
>Jim Bouton, who played a playboy murderer in a film starring Elliott
>Gould as a detective (Phillip Marlowe, THE LONG GOODBYE, maybe?)

   Reggie Jackson has done some acting (The Naked Gun;  an episode
of The Love Boat?) but played Reggie Jackson.

   Dave Justice had a tiny role on a soap opera recently.

   

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for LFs
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:18:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.044835.26125@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
  <RC LF stuff deleted>

>Kevin Reimer, Texas		6.04
>Kevin McReynolds, Kansas City	5.96
>Mel Hall, New York		5.56
>Kevin Mitchell, Seattle		5.49
>AL AVERAGE			5.40
>Luis Polonia, California	4.84
>Dan Gladden, Detroit		4.84
>Mo Vaughn, Milwaukee		3.61
 ^^

 Actually it's Greg, but considering the year he's having, who really gives
 a crap. Are they related in some way or are they both underachieving, over-
 rated, strike out or pop up hitting losers named Vaughn. Stevie Ray probably
 could do better.

 --salty
From: Paul Schroeder
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins Protected List
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:27:41 GMT
Organization: BNR

In article <47114@shamash.cdc.com> jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt) writes:
>Here is just a trial list of the players IMO the Twins should protect:
>(May not know all the free agents, not extremely familair with farm
> system)
>
>Must:                   Free Agents(?)
>1)  S. Mack             Puckett
>2)  K. Hrbek            Gagne
>3)  C. Knoblauch        Smiley
>4)  S. Leuis            Larkin

I don't think that Larkin will be a free agent.

>5)  P. Munoz
>6)  K. Tapani
>7)  S. Erickson
>8)  R. Aguilera
>9)  C. Davis

Davis will be a free agent.

>
>Possibles:
>1)  W. Banks
>2)  M. Trobley
>3)  P. Mahomes
>4)  M. Jorgenson
>5)  C. Willis
>6)  M. Guthrie

I think that Mahomes most probably, and Jorgenson and Willis possibly will be
protected (depends on the rest of this season).

>
>Look at:
>J.T. Bruitt
>D. Reed
>D. West(PLEASE NO MORE!)
>G. Wayne
>
>Who did I forget? Comments and suggestions, please.
>
>-Jon
>

After this season, I hope we've seen the last of Banks and West in the Twins
organization.  I believe Marty Cordova, who has been tearing up Class A this
year, is eligible to be drafted so the Twins may want to protect him.  I'm not
sure how the free agents will figure in the protected list timing-wise.
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