HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: adoptions (was, usenet.age)
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:00:15 GMT

Friend Mark (markm@ogicse.ogi.edu) (Mark Morrissey), reformed Republican,
	mountain man and rescuer of stray divers, writes:

	....

	>My usenet.age?  Well, I think I am learning to walk and
	>making fast progress towards running.  Pretty soon, I might
	>just need a conceptual adoption!

Oooh, Mark, if you're looking for an adoption, I'd *love* to be a
father.  We'd go for long bicycle rides, fly kites in the park
(maybe poison a few pigeons on the way), pitch a ball back and
forth (you could help me out; my eye-hand coordination is
terrible) -- and I could read stories to you as you sat in my
lap! -- THE ADVENTURES OF WIMPOLE STOUT maybe, or A WRINKLE IN
TIME.

I'd let you stay up as late as you want (so long as you could get
yourself up for school in the morning and not look bleary-eyed!),
and I'd try *really* hard not to set down rules but encourage you
to make up your own mind!  I have so many prejudices about
parenting, and I'd get to try them all out....

Okay, so right now it would be a single-father family.  But we'd
make great company for each other in the meantime, and then maybe
someone would come along, and you could have a dad and a father!

>--mark

Joel,
		who started out as a child pretending to be an adult and
		is now an adult learning to be a child
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Donahue, Monday 9/28
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:30:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.160005.5099@tandon.com>

>Saw it... YOU TWO WERE GREAT!!!!

I only got to see the opening couple of minutes, when they
showed the photograph.  A lovelier couple I'm sure I've never
seen.  Congratulations and may you have a wonderful life
together!

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:19:40 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Matthew Melmon (mattm@Apple.COM) 
displays a distinct *attitude* problem:
 
> ... I *can* say that a FAKE smoothie is a really 
> grating experience, if you know what I mean.  Stuble is *not* a
> pleasant thing to go rolling tender body parts across, if you
> know what I mean.  Uh-huh.  I *knew* you did.

Tsk, tsk.

A rather remarkable otter of my acquaintance,
to whom I have alluded on occasion, had occasion
once to shave his body.  ["Something to do", I
think, was the stated reason; apparently the
shaving being the point of the exercise, rather
than shaved being the goal.]  It turned out that
this event was some couple of weeks before our
pas de deux.

Now, lamentable though it may have been that he
shaved, my experience with body stubble is not
something I'll soon forget, nor is the smile I
get from that memory one that will soon fade.

oooh baby.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: OCA scandal sheet
Keywords: Lies, naked homophobia
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:11:55 GMT

So when Barry and I got home tonight we had a little present from the OCA
on our doorstep (how they missed the obvious NO ON 9 signs prominently
displayed in our windows...)

It was the scandal sheet they've been distributing door-to-door.  It's
becoming clear that their tactics are to drop this offal off while no
one is home.  However, due to the annual fall rains, it was soaking wet
and we had to dry it out for several hours before we could read what it said.

After we did, we wished we hadn't.  Here's a taste (try not to gag now):
   "The top 11 serial murderers in America have all been admitted
    homosexuals."

On the positive side, I registered seven "no" voters at work this week,
including one new US citizen who will be voting for the first time this
election.

-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Alan Williams: Paradigms of Dissonance (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:54:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.vanyel.717897251
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Sep29.142258.18850@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

What's the matter, Greg?  Someone ask you to think about something?

--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ "So that's what they taught you in college!  Just when I tell you to   \/
     go, you leave me!"  -- Groucho Marx, _Horsefeathers_ (1932)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "It's in the trees! It's coming!" (was: Jess has...)
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct1.221116.18900
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <BvGKxF.1pA@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>I humiliated myself to get time on the flatbed-scanner.

can we get a picture of this, too?

>FJ!! (I just hope you won't be dissapointed after this.  But hey, if
>I don't hype myself, who will?)

you better check - I think you're growing hair on your ego :-)
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Phyllis Schaffly's son John . . . COMES OUT NATIONALLY!
Followup-To: alt.flame
Summary: BIRDS SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS (postscript)
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:53:53 GMT

[several correspondents have pointed out that this recipe sounds
rather like a description of torture, and like many such descriptions,
has its own horrid attractions.  my first male lover, larry, was
rather drawn to the travails of his name-saint, lawrence (10 august).
here's how father omer englebert (in the fremantle & fremantle translation
of his _lives of the saints_) describes these events of the year 258...]

The prefect of Rome, Cornelius Saecularis, sent for him and enjoined
him to deliver up his treasure.  Having forseen confiscation, Lawrence
had hastened to change the property he administered into cash, and all
had been passed out as alms...Lawrence asked the prefect for time to
get together and inventory his treasures.  He came back the next day
followed by a crowd of beggars.  "Behold the treasures of the Church,"
he said, indicating them.  Furious at having been tricked, the
magistrate condemned the archdeacon to be roasted over a slow fire.
He had him stretched on a gridiron, believing evidently that this long
and frightful torture would make the sufferer reveal the whereabouts
of the riches he was hiding.  But Lawrence showed admirable courage.
He even kept his good humour, if St. Ambrose is to be believed, for at
a given time he began to mock his tormentor.  "My flesh is well cooked
on one side," he said to him, "turn the other, and eat."  And his eyes
to heaven, he died praying for the city of Rome.

[in the index, we learn that st. lawrence "is specially invoked
against lumbago and fire, and for the protection of vineyards.  He
is also the patron of cooks and restaurateurs."]

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:41:44 GMT

In article <67029@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Shawn Hicks writes:
>>So, as his loyal, admiring roomate, I had no choice
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>but to shave that back on a regular basis.  Now tell me,
>
>Bullshit.

Oh, sure, you weren't there... how would *you* know? ;>

>>>why is it I love hairy men, but got such a rise out of
>>shaving one down?
>
>You need therapy.

I agree.  Lots of therapy.  Lots of big, hairy men with perky
nipples and red hair is a good start.  Maybe a few with long
shaggy beards that tickle, or butts so matted with fur that 
you can't tell the hills from the valleys.  And when I'm all
better, I'll let them shave me.  Hair grows back.

>>If you want *my* chest shaved, you'll have to do it yourself.
>
>Anyone who tried this on me would have to learn to enjoy
>life as a castrato.

George, why would anyone want to mar you in that way?  Besides,
I can hardly *reach* your chest.  Did anyone ever tell you you 
were tall?


Shawn
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:15:26 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep26.192823.13801@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>In article <thaaang.717392538@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>Heterosexual men are genetically incapable of buying (or finding, or
>>however it is they get their clothing) jeans that fit in the butt.
>
>They get their clothes from their wives. Women buy most of
>the men's clothes in the U.S., according to every study I've
>ever seen.

This is a conspiracy that lesbian and bi women are in on ... any
time we see any nice clothing in the men's department, whether 
shirts, pants, silk boxers, boots, etc., we just buy it for 
*ourselves*!

The men can all go around naked for all I care!  :-)

-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
|tachyon@deeptht.armory.com  \        /__    One of the Bivariant Illuminati |
|      tachyon@ucscb.ucsc.edu  \    /   /  Overaged lovesick teenager, cookie|
|         tachyon@gorn.echo.com  \/   /  baker to the stars, etc. etc. etc.  |
 ----------------------------------\/----------------------------------------
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:11:04 GMT
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <96962@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.143355.14862@tc.cornell.edu>
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>
>>In article <96866@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>
>>>Let's put it this way...Paglia and the women who put out "On Our Backs"
>>>have similar philosophies.
>
>>That lesbians are weak?  Or that you should always sheath
>>your toys in latex?
>
>That Andrea Dworkin should really try to enjoy sex more.

That's an incredibly stupid thing for you to say.

Has either Paglia or the ed staff of OOB
ever said such a stupid thing?  Both have said things along the lines
that Dworkin is way off base in her evaluation of other people's
enjoyment of sex; that does not mean she is under any obligation
to enjoy it herself.

What bothers me about comments like yours is the value judgement
it places on people who don't care for sex.  "Some of my best friends"
don't find it all that interesting, and it isn't part of their life.
As long as a person does so from a position of self knowledge, that's
wonderful.


-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:06:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep28.140648.29845
Organization: insert anything here

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) kindly deletes most of BBC's
>post so's I don't have to do it (bad editor, you know):

>>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>>	Of course others like John Dorrance fall into the 
>>>e-young, etc..

>This bothers me (mildly, dear, never fear); that I joke a lot doesn't
>necesssarily mean that I'm any younger at heart than anyone else. How
>are we defining 'young' and 'old' here? Is bounciness and frivolity
>indicative (cashing in on the big words for a higher e-age) of
>'youngness', while wisdom and gravity indicative of 'oldness'?

	IMHO, yes.  But that works both ways, I and I think
positively in both.  There are several people on here older than me
(though I'm right at the peak of the age median here last I checked
[yeah I got REAL behind on the census... I promise I'll catch up soon])
who are definitely e-younger than I am , and quite a few younger
who are e-older.  

	And some of us change e-ages as fast as we change underwear.

BBC whose e-age
is determined by the
last 2 digits of the
daily lottery number...
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Terre Haute
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:23:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: resonex.1992Sep30.082350.10192
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <HOPSONTH.92Sep30093304@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> hopsonth@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Thomas H. Hopson) writes:
>In email with Mike, he's mentioned the large proportion of Computing
>Center managers (all students) who were gay.  (This is, of course, a
>different concept than the large _proportions_ of Computing Center
>managers who were gay.)  It was something like 75% at one time, though
>I don't know the current value there.  Now  the real question is, what
>does this say, if anything, about the RHIT student population in general?

I've often wondered that.  Of course, what you fail to mention is that
Rose-Hulman is currently an all-male college, so that *might* have
something to do with it.  I've never been able to tell for sure
whether that's a factor in the gay population there.  It's rather
conservative and the gay students I knew were all rather closeted, so
it's probably a wash in the end.  For the record, they are going co-ed
in 1995 (finally!), so it'll be interesting to see what effect that
has on the campus.

It's kinda eerie... I haven't talked to anyone at Rose in many months,
and then within a one week period, I get email from Tom introducing
himself, and then another student posts in response to an article of
mine, lamenting about Terre Haute life...  Maybe I should go back there
as a grad student!  ;-)

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
"Lovers are like... dentures.  You don't want them in your     |    /oo \
mouth all night, but you sure as hell want them within arm's   |    <>__|
reach in the morning!"  --- Miss Almira Gulch                  |    |  U|
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:38:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Sep30.034203.28624@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.230304.15411@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod 
>Williams) writes:
>>> pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) writes:
>>> 
>>>At the same meeting, there was a persistent rumor that you are a small
>>>person (causing Jack to write your name in lower-case and lose a bang).
>>>I tried to convince people that we Dutch don't do small, except
>>>in circuses.  When you take that picture, be sure to include a
>>>measuring rod.
>>
>>Why do people keep dragging *me* into this thread?
>
>Well, if you don't want to be held against him to show long long, I mean
>tall, he is, we'll just have to find someone else.
>

Apropos of nothing in particular, I feel moved to mention that
everytime Lyndol & I drive by the Rod of Aaron Baptist Church, a mobile
home parked out on Martin Luther King Jr Way (in little ol' Seattle) I
have this tremendous urge to jump out of the van, grap a congregant by
his or her lapels, and demand to know if they've ever read D.H.
Lawrence. Instead, I snort a little to myself, and drive on, drive on.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Out of the Rolling Ocean the Crowd
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:45:00 GMT

This poem was (also) read at the memorial for Rob
Bernardo on Saturday.

		"Out of the Rolling Ocean the Crowd"
			by Walt Whitman

	Out of the rolling ocean the crowd came a drop gently to me,
	Whispering "I love you, before long I die,
	I have travel'd a long way merely to look on you to touch you,
	For I could not die till I once look'd on you,
	For I fear'd I might afterward lose you."

	Now we have met, we have look'd, we are safe,
	Return in peace to the ocean my love,
	I too am part of that ocean my love, we are not so much separated,
	Behold the great rondure, the cohesion of all, how perfect!
	But as for me, for you, the irresistable sea is to separate us,
	As for an hour carrying us diverse, yet cannot carry us
		diverse forever;
	Be not impatient - a little space - know you I salute the
		air, the ocean and the land,
	Every day at sundown for your dear sake my love.


--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Wear your Pride!
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:48:26 GMT

On Australian Television,Channel 9 on Friday night at 6.30pm,there is
the first case of sexual harassement by a male complaintant.
The snippets basically stated that this male was asked by his boss for
sexual favours.
These included having sex with his boss,making gay porn and male prostitution.
This guy admits his sexuality and feels that he has been exploited.
This is a current affairs show and should prove VERY interesting.
I'll post the highlights next week,if anyone is interested.


I met an old school mate that I haven't seen for 20years.We had drinks and his
life story came out.He is openly gay,both in his private life and his work
area.He says that he has not been hassled by any work mates etc.
He has a young lover and is actively involved in gay politics here.
The really funny thing is I'm not gay but I was surprised to hear him rattle
off the list of school friends that he'd been involved with at school.
More than 50% of the class had had sex with my friend.
I Love it.
See the crux is that we have a reunion to attend next year,and he is going to
scare some of those guys to death.He has no intention of naming them but
merely pointing to them.Rumour has it a FEW of the class have dedcided NOT to
attend since my friend will be there.Closeted but not cloistered.

Gee I certainly wish my life had/was/is as interesting as Mike's has been.
I'd be a better person for it.

take care


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* Allan Creighton           Nature allows all, by its murderous laws:       *
* Dept of Computer Science  Incest and rape,all theft and parricide,        *
* University of Sydney      All Sodom's pleasures,Sappho's lesbian games,   *
*                           All that destroys and sends men to their graves.*
*                                " The Truth "   The  Marquis De Sade       *
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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:27:45 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Sep26.004905.29264@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <43206@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>[interesting thoughts on perceived age on the net]
>>Is this a useful measurement?
>
>I'm skeptical, actually, as skeptical as I am of most generalizations
>about people. Being able to label someone as "old" or "young", even as
>"usenet.old" or "usenet.young", is the sort of sweeping statement that
>usually causes trouble. Do we need more broad categories?

Aside from the problem you are raising, there is a larger problem.
The newly-adult come in idealist, and less-idealist shapes.
The idealistic call the less-idealistic ``old before their time''.
Time passes.  Pleanty of the less-idealistist discover a new
idealism.  Pleantly of the former idealistic are less idealistic.
And again the idealistic call the less-idealistic ``old before
their time''.

Who is going to judge this ``perceived age'' stuff?

Laura

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 14:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.232519.19050@Princeton.EDU> spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:

>Suppose this hypothetical data:
>
>		Gay	Straight
>Left-handed	300	700	
>Right-handed	200	800

>Thus, 60% of gays are left-handed, but only 30% of left-handers are
>gay, in this hypothetical model.

On the other hand, we have this:

P(G) = .25 (Probability of being gay)

P(G|L) = .3 (Probibility of being gay, given that you are left-handed)

P(L) = .5

P(L|G) = .6

Being gay and being left-handed are independent only if the conditional
probabilities equal the unconditional probibilities.  But if being gay
is independent of being left-handed, then P(G) = P(G|L), and hence
P(G & L) = P(L)P(G|L) = P(G)P(L|G) = P(L)P(G), so
P(L|G) = P(L).  That is, if P(G) = P(G|L), then P(L) = P(L|G), and
independence happens one way iff it happens the other way as well.
-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de