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Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:32:45 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Email Access in Israel
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov5.152734.689@vms.huji.ac.il>, backon@vms.huji.ac.il says:
>
>In article <4088@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter     )
>Small
>writes:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I am looking for inforamtion on email access in Israel.  I have some friends
>> living in Galilee who are interested in sending and receiving email.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>> PS
>>
>> --
>>
>-----------------------------|*************************************************
>*
>> -- small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com|
>> -- uunet!bcstec!small        |
>> -----------------------------|
>
>DATASERVE Ltd. of Ramat Gan, Israel has a license from the Israeli Ministry of
>Communications to provide Internet connectivity to corporate clients in
>Israel.

Josh, please do not provide the network with false information.  Dataserv
does not yet have a general telecommunciations license, nor do they have
yet a specific Internet license.  They are in the process of getting it
and are perhaps 2-3 months away depending on how slow the Ministry moves.

>They currently provide UUCP email and USENET to large corporate clients and
>Jewish organizations in Israel. For $80/month they provide:
>a) Internet subdomain
>b) unlimited number of mailboxes (userid's) on the system
>c) one megabyte of email (approx. 500 pages) with each page over this limit
>costing 10 cents.
>d) ability to send to any fax machine in the United States for an additional
>   $10/month and 55 cents/page
>
>From January 1st, they will provide:
>
>a) SLIP/PPP connections at $350/month (for telnet/ftp)
>b) Personal dialin accounts (ftp/telnet) at $70/month
>c) UUCP over TCP/IP (unlimited) at $140/month

These prices are under review by the Ministry and as they stand will not
be accepted as valid charges.  This is being worked on and we hope to
have an agreement soon.  But I am sure users would appreciate that you
post accurate information rather than this.

>
>Further information is available from:
>
>info@ilnet.net
>
>Josh
>backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL

Hank Nussbacher
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Is Hilary Clinton a MOTT
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:49:01 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Nov5.105810@uspi2.Prime.COM> dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor) writes:

>By the way, it's "Dukakis".  If only her husband had run a decent campaign...

He *did*.  That was his fatal mistake.

Roger
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:17:45 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Small town Judaism
 <ALEX.92Nov9075420@diamond.idbsu.edu>

In article <ALEX.92Nov9075420@diamond.idbsu.edu>, alex@math.idbsu.edu (Alex
Feldman) says:
>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:00:58 EDT, andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> said:
>
>andy> Outside of Toronto, Montreal and Winnipeg, Canada's Jewish population is
>andy> relatively small and there has been some concern about the survival of
>andy> Jewish life in smaller communities like London, Kingston or even Ottawa.
>
>andy> I'm wondering if there are any other small-town Jews (or at least people
>in
>andy> communities with small Jewish populations) out there and what
>suggestions
>andy> they may have.
>
>Don't offend people unnecessarily.  Makes life difficult in a small
>community.

Not to mention avoiding cheap shots:)
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:13:22 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Nov6.015337.5246@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
>
>I was always taught that our bodies are "on loan" from Hashem,
>and thus tatoos and earrings are out of the question.
>
>Does this (earrings rule) apply to women?  It certainly must not!
>I know plenty of frum families that have daughters with pierced
>ears.
>

The piercing of ears is permitted as it is not permanent; if one
removes the earing and does not put anything in its place, the hole
will eventually close up.

>Men should not dress as women, and thus earrings are forbidden for men
>is understood.
>
>Please restrict answers to (appropriate) halachic discussion regarding
>desecrating one's body.  (Please no discussion on "Women *can* wear
>earrings and Men *cannot*, therefore Judaism is sexist against Men," etc.).
>
>
>Gedaliah Friedenberg
>-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
>-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
>-=-Michigan State University


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From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.184720.1140@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.091744.11741@discus.technion.ac.il>,
>ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:
>|> In article <96772@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
>|> Wiener) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Considering that kippahs were taken from slave fashion, I don't think so.
>|> 
>|> >--
>|> this is intewresting. from where do you find that a kippa is "slave
>|> fashion"??
>
>I've never heard this, but the etymology of the word 'yarmulka' is Ukrainian
>'yarmo,' meaning 'yoke,' so it fits.
>-- 

How about the contraction of Yarei Malka (Fearer of G-d -- loose translation).
That's what was explained to me as a child.

-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Living in Israel - Voting in USA
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:47:52 EST

warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

> There is a Hebrew expression that is relevant: "notnim? tikach!"
> (They're giving something away?  Take some!).  As long as both Israel
> and the US agree to joint citizenship, why not have both?  Why should
> an Oleh/Olah volunteer to make it more difficult to enter his/her
> former country (not to mention other countries which might allow U.S.
> citizens to visit without a visa which they require from Israelis)?

If they were giving away something that belonged to someone else, stolen 
goods perhaps, would you take some.  In other words if it wasn't right 
to take some, and they were giving it away, would you participate? 


> 
> You might ask how many people who hold two passports used the U.S. one
> to enter the U.S. during the Gulf War, I would think very few.
> -- 
> /|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
>  |__/__/_/    
>  |warren@     
> / nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem

My cousins did. 

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
From: hsiegel@cvbnet.prime.com (mailhost)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:38:38 GMT

From article <1992Nov6.015337.5246@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, by friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg):
> Men should not dress as women, and thus earrings are forbidden for
> men is understood.  

Actually, that's not so clear to me.  I think it is a given that
"beged ish" and "beged ishah" are things in which we (so to speak)
'posken by the goyim' -- that is, it depends on the secular
society.  For instance, in the traditional Persian community,
slacks were standard wear for both sexes.  I have heard a Rabbi
whose O qualifications are beyond question say about a Persian
(Jewish) woman employed at our school that he couldn't (his word)
ask her not to wear slacks to work.  (She did wear a smock over
them, however -- she had to deal with _very_ little kids!)

If we look at the incident of the Egel haZahav [the golden calf]
we see that Aaron, in an attempt to pose an unacceptable condition,
told the men to give their wives' and children's earring to him.
The wives refused, so then the men took their _own_ earrings!  I
think we may learn from this that at the time at least some men wore
earrings. Further, I speculate that in a society where all men wear
earrings it certainly wouldn't be "beged ishah" for Jewish men to
do so, and that in fact it might be non-tzniusdik [immodest] for
Jewish men to refrain from doing so.

Zvi (Howard) Siegel             hsiegel@piano.prime.com
Computervision                  hsiegel@primerd.prime.com
Bedford, Mass.                  hsiegel%piano.prime.com@RELAY.CS.NET
(617) 275-1800 x4064            cvbnet!hsiegel@primerd.prime.com
From: mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Pyramids, Interest Rates and Gold :-)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:54:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem) writes:

>#P.S. Am I sensing something in the line of : The pyramids are jewish, 
>#therefore .... 
>
>Right. You owe us for the labor. Start by sending me $100,000 in
>cash plus percentage of money tourists spend there.
>
>-Danny Keren.

Danny, knowing you cousins can never go wrong with money, I assume that you
have calculated the compound interests to the dime. 

Ok, then I'll probably give you $100,000 for the old pyramids provided that 
you can be build me three more beside them. I guess the costs of the new
three would be less than $10 :-)

Payment for all six on delivery.

P.S. That reminds about all the gold you people took with you when you
left Egypt ! 

Could you then make them 3 new gold pyramids for the same price ? You
can then keep the rest of the gold. 

Thanks :-)

Moustafa M. Ghanem
Dept. of Computing
Imperial College
London
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:45:47 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <92308.0207422893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1992Nov3.133417.28935@ennews.eas.asu.e
 <4431@bimacs.BITNET> <2772@israel.nysernet.org>

In article <2772@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
says:
>
>In <4431@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>
>> I happened to be in the region of the funeral procession as it passed
>> the central bus station in Jerusalem, and was petrified as THUGS
>> started hitting busses which had come through Arab areas and therefore
>> MIGHT have been carrying Arabs.
>
>This happened after the procession crossed Rechov Yafo and continued
>onto Herzl.  I didn't see this part, after seeing what the crowd did
>in the Center One shopping mall (chased an Arab into the mall and then
>into a store within the mall, the windows of which were smashed).  I
>decided that I'd seen enough and took a bus home.

If Kahane had lived, what would he have thought?
>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/
> |warren@
>/ nysernet.org                      Jerusalem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Who built the pyramids
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:10:31 GMT

In article <GORNISH.92Nov12151859@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu> gornish@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Edward H. Gornish) writes:
>This is correct.  The 3 large pyramids in Giza were built around 2700
>B.C.E.  I have the exact dates at home, not here.  They were for
>Kings/Pharaohs Cheops, Chevron and M??? (can't remember the last
>name).  I believe historians place the Jewish exodus from Egypt
>somewhere between 1300-1100 B.C.E.  Also, I don't believe there is any
>real theory behind the fact that the Jews were slaves during the reign
>of Ramses II, it's more tradition.  The only evidence comes from the
>fact that they built the cities of Pithom and Ramses (in Exodus).  Now
>it's possible that the Jews built other pyramids along with whatever
>else they did, but certainly not the famous pyramids.
>
>Here's a slightly perplexing historical question.  The Jews lived in
>the land of Goshen, which is supposed to be in the Nile Delta.  We know
>that they were in proximity of wherever Pharaoh lived, based on the
>logistics of the story.  But during the reign of Ramses II (and the
>other Pharaohs of the time) the capital of Egypt was in Luxor - way in
>the South.  This is hundreds of miles, many days travel from Goshen.
>How can this be?
>--
>Eddie Gornish
>University of Illinois - Center for Supercomputing Research & Development
>
>ARPANET: gornish@csrd.uiuc.edu


The home base of the Jews was in Goshen as originally arranged by
Yosef when they came.  This was deliberate in order to keep them
away from the Pharoah, the court, and the mainstream society of
Egypt.  Note that the reason given for putting them there was
that they were "anshei mikne" [ cattle ranchers ].  During the
slavery, while the main home area remained Goshen, they would
have been sent to whereever the work needed to be done.  Moshe
stayed near the capital in order to give Pharoah a chance to send
the Jews away.

The Jews must have been throughout the land in order for the
various midrashim about the plagues (such as being able to move
around during the darkness or the frogs not entering their
houses) to apply.

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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:28:48 GMT

In article <memo.731281@cix.compulink.co.uk> stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Politics has nothing to do with it. My concern is strictly halachik
>and I claim for support the Teshuvos (Responsa) of Reb Moshe
>Feinstein z'tzl who in many of them stated that a conversion through
>a Conservative Beis Din was not a valid conversion. And anyone who
>thinks that Reb Moshe had any considerations other than halachik ones
>is completely misguided.

Many teshuvot?  I have seen reference here to teshuvot where a woman
was not granted a get by her husband and a way out was needed for
her to remarry.  Or a case where a husband disappears.  As I recall,
in at least one instance the marriage and another occasion the conversion 
by a reform Bet Din (perhaps you are right - a conservative Bet Din)
was decided to be invalid.  But the situation was to help a woman in
need of help, and was after the fact, and in particular, was judged
on facts of a very particular case and not a general, broad brush
attack as I see painted here.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:30:20 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
 <92279.105004HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> <1d1ne1INNbt5@morrow.stanford.edu>
 <1992Nov01.235857.6192@eng.umd.edu>
 <1992Nov5.201246.15059@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>

In article <1992Nov5.201246.15059@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>,
boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) says:
>
>Wasn't A.G. Bell the first to use "Hello" in the early days of the
>phone invention ?
>  Anyhow to my ears it is "so long" that sound much more like "Shalom"

Yes, because they are related.

"So long" is from the Malay "salang". Which is from the Arabic "salaam."

Which is of course cognate to the Hebrew "shalom."

Shalom,
Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc5.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:37:08 GMT

In article <BxIAs2.G59@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

>
>It is NOT true that the child of a Jewish man and a non-Jewish woman (or
>conversely) is automatically Jewish in Reform.  The child may be considered
>presumptively Jewish until there is clear indication by word and deed that
>the child considers himself/herself as Jewish.  This requirement is rather
>similar to the substantive parts of a Reform conversion.

So we come full circle, despite Stan's "legitimate interpretation"
assertion.

Orthodox refuse to accept actions by a Conservative bet din.

Conservative refuse to accept Reform patrilineal descent.

And an adult with a nonJewish father and Jewish mother will be
recognized the the Orthodox community as fully Jewish even though
the Reform community would decide that the person is NOT Jewish
(assuming that there had been no identification with the Jewish
community in adulthood).




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From: friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Pierced Ears
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University



I was always taught that our bodies are "on loan" from Hashem,
and thus tatoos and earrings are out of the question.

Does this (earrings rule) apply to women?  It certainly must not!  
I know plenty of frum families that have daughters with pierced
ears.

Men should not dress as women, and thus earrings are forbidden for men 
is understood.  

Please restrict answers to (appropriate) halachic discussion regarding 
desecrating one's body.  (Please no discussion on "Women *can* wear 
earrings and Men *cannot*, therefore Judaism is sexist against Men," etc.).


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Einstein and Judaism
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:27:13 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Eli Chiprout (emmc@do3carleton.ca) writes:

>Einstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an
                                                             ^^^^^^
>objective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random
>events and which would not be dependent upon the observer.  He believed that
                                                                ^^^^^^^^
>QM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for
>statistical interpretations.  

This is a most enlightening characterization of the views of the man who was
arguably the greatest scientist of the twentieth century.  How many subscribers
to alt.atheism, skeptic, etc. grasp the fact that in science as well as 
religion belief plays a central, even gating role in one's view of reality.

Gerry Palo
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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Noachide marriage procedure.
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)

In article <1992Nov5.054307.1789@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, EXTDSM@LURE (MADDISON,David) writes:
>I have a gentile friend who wishes to get married to another gentile.
>She correctly rejects the basis of Xtianity but considers herself to
>be a Noachide.  She wants to have a "Noachide" wedding ceremony but
>is at a loss at what needs to be done. I think that the same criteria
>for marriage apply to both Jewish marriages and Noachide ones, i.e.
>giving of something of value with intent to marry, consumation, and
>(I think) signing of some form of marriage contract.

I believe that anything counts as a wedding.  But Bnei Noach may take
on one or more Jewish mitzvohs (with a few exceptions), and are rewarded
for this.  What this means for a wedding, I do not know.

Early last summer, there was a front page WSJ story about Gershon
Winkler.  He used to be Orthodox, and is now Unlabeled.  He is a
travelling rabbi throughout West Virginia.  Except for the federal
prisons, there aren't so many Jews, so he spends much of his time
explaining Judaism and Noachidism to church groups.  And he sometimes
does weddings.  The WSJ article began with a description of one such.
It seems there was an intermarriage, which in West Virginia means of
a Catholic and a Protestant, and the only religious wedding they
could get was Noachide.  The groom made one request of the rabbi.
Would he were a coonskin hat for the ceremony?

There was another front page WSJ article, perhaps a month before this
one, about a thriving Noachide congregation in Tennessee.  Use your
library (and librarian) to track down these two articles--it should
be easy with the information given.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ORTHODOX
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:00:58
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: backon@vms.huji.ac.il's message of 11 Nov 92 19:02:12 GMT

On 11 Nov 92 19:02:12 GMT, backon@vms.huji.ac.il said:

> Look in a dictionary for the derivation of the word ORTHODOX. It comes from
> the Greek ORTH: straight, correct, true, right and DOXA: opinion.  It thus
> amuses me to no end when I see representatives of the Reform and
> Conservative movements denigrating the "orthodox".

or-tho-dox adj [MF or LL; MF orthodoxe, fr. LL orthodoxus fr. LGk orthodoxos,
fr. Gk ortho- + doxa opinion] 1 a: conforming to established doctrine esp.
in religion b: CONVENTIONAL 2 cap: of, relating to, or constituting any of
various conservative religious groups: as a: EASTERN ORTHODOX b: of or
relating to Orthodox Judaism

Orthodox Judaism n (ca. 1904): Judaism that adheres to the Torah and Talmud as
interpreted in an aurhotitative rabbinic law code and applies their principles
and regulars to modern living --- compare to CONSERVATIVE JUDAISM.

Word derviations don't always tell the whole story. Look up the history for
auspecious, for example. It means looking at the guts of dead birds. I think
Orthodoxy got it's sense from "straight", as in a non-deviating course.

Daniel
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