From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:27:19 GMT
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In <1992Apr8.085150.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:

>Well, once again, people aren't responsible for their own actions.
>If the lawyers have their way (and they will until someone finally 
>eliminates them...Hey Manson, get on it!) we'll all be skiing in
>plastic bubbles.  There is no need to have "baby sitting" laws.  I snowboard.
>I have for a season and haven't gotten hurt too bad, my bro messed up
>his wrist though, but he knew what could happen.  If I die on the slopes,
>I'm an ass!  If I ski down icy terrain that's way too slippery and don't 
>stop to remove my board and WALK down around the bad spots..I'm an ass.


In reference to your earlier comments on lawyers, what if you snowboard
on icy terrain that is much to difficult for you in any case, fall and hit 
an innocent third party who is put out of work without insurance for 3
months who must feed their family in one way or another? And you don't
agree to go above and beyond your responsibility to this person to make up
for your mistake?

Is this where the lawyers get involved? I think so. 


>I don't need some politican (sorry for the spelling..it's early) telling
>me to do this or do that.  If I feel that I could get seriously hurt,
>I'll buy a helmet.  (I mountain bike also and bought a helmet last year,
>no law was in effect at the time, I just felt it was necessary because
>of the terrain I was riding)  People need to just think before they do
>something.  There is no reason to sue.  Pretty soon, the mountains will
>close (helmets or not) because it will be "Too dangerous"  Again, with
>my snowboard, I had to sign a form stating that I understand that the
>bindings do not release and I could get hurt.  This form is to save
>Burton's butt from all the damn lawsuits.  I feel laws are a waste.
>If people want the safety (we all see the kids with helmets skiing)
>then they should be allowed to have it but there is no reason to force
>everyone to have it.  What's next?  A private guide will ski with you
>to make sure it's o.k. @$1000/day???  I'm all for safety but I feel
>people should be allowed to make their own choices.  As the lift ticket
>states, skiing is a hazardous sport..etc....That sums it up.  If you
>feel it's too dangerous, don't do it.

I feel the most danger from other skiers hitting me at full velocity. 
Does this mean I should give up skiing? If everyone followed the 
guidelines for safe skiing there would be no need for lawyers
anywhere near the ski slopes, except to sue ski areas for the false
advertising in the ski reports :-)

> - Kirk
>(Let's cut all the trees down to make skiing safer...NOT!)
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:42:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA