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From: temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:00:16 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug26.070906.3102@fys.ruu.nl>, delaat@fys.ruu.nl (Cees de Laat) writes:
> Up to now Apple has not build in the MODE32 init (dirty ROM patch or
> whatever you want to call it) into system 7.1 . I quess people still
> have to juggle around with a few of those inits to get all wanted 
> functionality on older MAC's. I checked system 7.1 on a MAC-SE30.
> I did not get the choise 32-bit addressing in the memory panel.
> I did not check if MODE 32 is compatible with sys 7.1 .
> 
> C. de Laat
> 


This is very sad if Apple does not live up to their promise to 
integrate MODE32 into the system software. Having it as a temporary 
stand-alone hack increases the probability (with complete certainty 
over time) that it will become incompatible with future system versions.

Perhaps MODE32 will be a "system enabler" (a sys 7.1 feature) for Mac IIx, 
IIcx, II and SE/30s?  Unfortunately, I have no compelling reason to believe 
Apple is being so thoughtful.

If Apple breaks their promise to integrate MODE32 into the system 
software for the many, many Mac II, IIcx, IIx and SE/30 owners out 
there who paid top dollar for their (once) high-end Macintosh models, 
then it may be time to start rallying forces again.

This is part of the reason many of us wanted the ROM upgrade, not the 
software fix --- distrust of Apple. Afterall, they'd just love to sell us a 
new mac just to fix a minor firmware bug (made when they didn't even 
follow their own programming rules.)

If Apple doesn't integrate MODE32 into 7.1 (or at least re-announce 
its intention to integrate it in yet another release), then it is 
time to start the letter writing campaign, folks. Again.

Let's wait and see if they intend to do the right thing...
From: sr0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Ritter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: quadra compatibility and superclock
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:35:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gecd2Ay00iUx07NkwY
Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Is there a known incompatibility between the Alysis compatibility init
for the quadra and Superclock?

When I run a program that is incompatible with the quadra's cache, the
system bombs if I click on Superclock's clock (to see the date).

Anyone else have this problem?

Steve
From: rfisel@informix.com (Rick Fisel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:51:19 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I would favor a splitting off of powerbook issues. They seem to have many 
special limitations and abilities that generate a lot of posts. Since I don't
have a powerbook, and the subject lines are hard to filter out (even with 
"powerbook", "pb" and so on in my kill file), I'd prefer to split off this 
discussion into a specific group. 

My $0.02, but it's free if you send me a postcard...


-- 
Rick Fisel 
opinionated employee of opinionless
Informix Software
I prefer replies by email. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: Aliases--- Getting to the source
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:03:20 GMT

armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian) writes:

>I have a set of files that I regularly copy onto a floppy disk to 
>shuttle between home and work.  The files are rightfully stored in 
>different directories on my disk.

>Now that I've explained what I want to do,  and why I want to do it,
>does anyone have any suggestions on how to accomplish this feat?

How about this: Set the Label on each of these files to something
useful like "Shuttle Files". (You can change the names of labels in the
Labels control panel.) Then, select "Find..." and click the "More
choices" button. Make your search criteria "Label is Shuttle Files" and
make sure you check the "all at once" box. When the Find completes, all
of the files with that label should be selected. Grab one of them and
drag it onto your floppy, and it should copy the whole bunch.

One caveat: Some files that you have gotten from elsewhere might have
labels already. Before you start labeling your files, you may want to
go into "Find...", click "More choices", make your search criteria
"Label is Shuttle Files", and check the "all at once" box. When the
Find completes, all of the files that may have been accidentally
labeled as "Shuttle Files" will be selected, and you can choose "None"
from the Label menu to make them all unlabeled. Then you can go and
label all of the files that you really want labeled as "Shuttle
Files".

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:32:03 GMT

temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> > This strikes me as a rather hysterical response. Mode32 exists. You
> > can ftp it for free. It works. We have no evidence that it does NOT
> > work with system 7.1. Why not get that clarified before getting
> > excited. So it's not built into 7.1. If it still works with 7.1, 
> > what does it matter? Maybe it won't be compatible with System 8.
> > But do you know it won't be part of System 8? We'll cross that
> > bridge when we come to it. I think, based on what Apple has done
> > so far, we owe them the benefit of the doubt.
> > 
> > Maynard Handley
> 
> Response in brief: you totally missed the point.
> 
> Response in detail:
  [skipped]

Despite your detailed response, I agree with the earlier comment.  If it  
works with system 7.1, then I don't think it's a big deal.  If it doesn't  
work, then I completely agree that everyone with the ROM's in question  
should be quite upset with Apple.

I'd say the same is true whether it's a separate init or whether it comes as  
some resource patch in the system file.  If it works, Apple has not done  
anything particularly dastardly.  If it doesn't (no matter where it is),  
then Apple could use a good class-action lawsuit to help them get a grip on  
their priorities.

I'd say give them the benefit of the doubt for now.  I agree this needs to  
be investigated (to make sure the INIT still works with system 7.1), but  
it's a bit soon to get on the warpath over it.

Just my 2 cents worth.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: krona@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Kjell Krona)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Replacement TrackBall for PowerBook 100
Keywords: powerbook, trackball, pb 100
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:17:32 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

This is from Lon Poole's column in MacWorld August -92:

(I hope I will be forgiven for quoting without permission)

He quotes a letter from a reader, whow recommends the
"Qualatext brand marbles, specificially "Premium Quality Marbles-
The collector series", made by Pioneer Ballon Company, Wichita,
Kansas, sold at many stores including "Toys R Us" and "Pay Less Drugs"
He continues: "Choose a style with a smoth finish - the Meteors, Silvers,
Cat's Eyes, or Pearls. The Galaxies, which have a pebbled surface, don't
work well as trackballs. Qualatex marbels come in a net bag with 35
marbles to play with (16 mm) and one shooter (25 mm) the right size to
replace the PowerBook 100's trackball. The PowerBook 140 and 170
requires a 30 mm marble, which Pioneer Balloon does not manufacture for
retail sales."
	... (Stuff deleted)
	"You may have to buy several bags of marbles to find one that 
works reliably."

	Myself, I took a marble from my childhood days and it fitted per-
fectly! Sometimes it catches a little because of the "wrinkles" in the
glass from the manucfacturing process, but I still like it...

	- kjell		krona@nada.kth.se
			Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 - an overview
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:02:52 GMT

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
: Does anyone remember just how long we've been waiting for scripting in
: one form or another? Somehow they always come up with a reason to say
: "ah, no, sorry, it's not in *this* particular release because of
: mumble mumble, but instead you'll find it in the upcoming foo bar
: release, and much enhanced at that".
: 
: Still waiting.

Apple has defined the scripting protocol and told the developers how it will
work. I don't think it really matters if Apple has it ready right now or if
you'll have to wait for it since the applications have to be modified to
support scripting. If we had scripting in the system right now, we could
probably only use it to play with the Finder. The important thing is that
Apple has defined scripting so that software developers can start modifying
their applications.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Department of medical systems                  Ph:  +46 18 187817
Sweden                                         Fax: +46 18 187825
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: news
From: Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:48:20 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1424.2AA07819@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG> Mary.Hicks@p0.f222.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mary Hicks) writes:
> All jews should be shot in the head. They control the media and make it 
> look like Palestinians are wrong when in fact the jews are doing 
> [etc etc etc]

That's very interesting.  I'm sure we'd all love to hear more on the
subject.  But not here, thanks.

-- Bruce
-- 
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BIX: brucehoult                 Last Resort:  PO Box 4145 Wellington, NZ
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hard disk that fits in your pocket!"   "Great!  Is it PC compatible?"
From: bng@tropel.gca.com (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: ***** NEED INFO:  LCII  vs  IIsi *****
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:16:18 GMT

HELLO MacLC and MacIIsi users!

Could some of you help me to figure out which one is
better?  LCII or MacIIsi?  Pros and cons in aspects
like clock speed, screen-refreshing speed, expandibility
and so on are VERY WELCOME!  Oh, also graphics display
properties....

Thanks,
Baldwin Ng
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 in Beta???
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:55:38 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Cory" == Cory Kempf (cory@enigami.mv.com)

Cory> For those of you on the outside, it seems to be a tradition at Apple
Cory> to change the name of the "Special" menu on betas. 

The first thing to do when you get a new official system release from
Apple is always to check if they blew it and forgot to change the name
back this time. I'm still hoping.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: PERFORMAs & IIvi's ??  Are they good?? [Was: new prices; when?]
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:41:55 GMT

HELLO MacUsers,

In comp.sys.mac.hardware, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) wrote:
>I heard a slightly different rumor:
>
>  September 14 -- Performas (200, 400, 600, 600CD)
>    October 19 -- IIvi and IIvx

My questions are:
1)  What are the differences between IIvi's and IIsi's (also IIci's)
2)  What are the differences between Performas and Quadras?
    (I'm assuming that Performas are also Workstations)
3)  Should we expect a further discount for IIci's and IIsi's once
    these "new guys" come out?  In both local dealers as well as
    universities' computer stores?

Your replies are GREATLY APPRECIATED!  My mind was set on IIsi's but
now I might have to change my mind if there are new models coming out!
What a pain (to shop for computers)!!

Thanks in advance,
Baldwin Ng
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From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:14:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <SPENCER.92Aug31125259@guraldi.med.umich.edu> spencer@med.umich.edu 
(Spencer W. Thomas) writes:

>My understanding was that MODE32 worked only with system 7.0, not even
>with 7.0.1.  Please correct mee if I'm wrong.

You are wrong. (At least in the case of my Mac SE/30, and System 7.0.1)
I can't comment on whether or not things work with unreleased beta code
which I may or may not have.

Bah
(My personal opinion is that it will work with RELEASED 7.1, however.)

--
+ Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the shadow 
+ barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
+ Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Disappearing icons for alias residing on another drive
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:35:30 GMT

In <1992Aug23.172354.11257@colorado.edu> cary@jove.Colorado.EDU (John R. Cary) writes:

>Thanks to all for replying to my last post.  Since then I have
>1.  rebuilt my desktop.
>2.  Reformatted my drive and rebuilt the system.
>3.  Made my desktop files visible (via ResEdit) on all volumes, thrown 
>    them away,
>    and rebooted so that the desktop files are rebuilt from scratch.
>Yet my disappearing icons problem remains.  It occurs only to files
>which reside on a non-system volume, yet have aliases on the system
>volume (in the menu items folder).  Upon rebuild, the aliases are good.
>After the next reboot without a rebuild, the alias icons revert to the
>generic type.  Moreover, the icons disappear on the volume where the
>original file resides.
>
>Has anyone else seen this problem?  Has anyone fixed it?

I think the problem is more general. I am having similar problems
but without the alias complications. Each time my system crashes
(yes it does from time to time (grrr)) some of the icons present
on the desktop and some of them that were being displayed from
open folders, revert to their generic form.

If I rebuild the desktop, the icons return until the next reboot
without a rebuild. I have fixed this problem long term by some
(as yet) undetermined order of desktop rebuilds/mounts of the 4
volumes concerned.

My best guess is that there is a conflict between the icons that
multiple desktops associate with a document when instances of that document
appear on different volumes.

Spec...
	SE/30, 8Mb RAM virtual OFF, System 7.01/Tuneup 1.1.1
	Silver volumes (4 volumes mounted)
	Many many many inits (and I'm not giving them up!!)

--alen (unrepentant EXtension user (that's a user of unrepentant EXtensions))
alen@crash.cts.com
From: karen@Cayman.COM (Karen Houldin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: New Inside Mac Books Out
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:41:23 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA

I just saw a couple of the new Inside Mac books in the MIT COOP.

There are about 10 books in the set, collected by subject.

The ones that I can remember are:

Communications
Network
Files
Processing
Memory

The smallest book, memory, was $24.95.

I don't know if the entire set is available, for the coop only had the ones
listed above.

--
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 karen@cayman.com : Phone 617-494-1999, Fax 617-494-5167, AppleLink D0523
From: strobel@aludra.usc.edu (Roland Strobel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Powerbook Battery Charge Monitor
Date: 28 Aug 1992 20:13:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <q#cnf_p.drew@netcom.com> drew@netcom.com (Drew Wade) writes:
>a lightning bolt only on high charge.  the superclock utility (on sumex)
>shows a lightning bolt on high and lo charge.  the utility mybatter
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
>(on sumex) show three different icons for internal (battery is powering
 ^^^^^^^^^^


Exactly WHERE is this utility on Sumex-aim?  I've looked through all the 
directories and the list of current files...

Any help would be appreciated.



-- 
Roland strobel@aludra.usc.edu    
Urban and Regional Planning              
University of Southern California
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Looking for an Auto-Launch INIT
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:16:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug29.081659.15205
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


We have a lab machine here that should have certain programs running
at all times.  Some people accidentally turn these programs off when
they're done using the computer, though.  What would be nice is an
INIT that I could use to specify certain applications that should be
_Launch-ed every 15 minutes or so, or do nothing if those apps are
already running.  This would have to be INIT or else the student might
turn it off also.  It doesn't have to be a secure system because these
users aren't mischevious, just naive.  I gather Frontier or QuickKeys
might be able to do this, but I'd prefer a simpler, public domain
solution.  Whatever happened to the cron program that was supposed to
be coming out for the Mac?

Thanks very much for any suggestions.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138
From: mikey@nrc.com (Mikey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: POWERBOOK SCREEN PROTECTOR
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:08:56 GMT
Organization: NRC
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Did you know, that to replace the screen on the Powerbook 100
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From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: PrintMonitor Woes
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:42:56 -0500

To All Apple System Software people:

I've got a really perplexing problem.  Intermittently, PrintMonitor will throw
up an alert saying:

PrintMonitor has found an internal error:

Where: 80          Why: -37


A very DOS-like error.  What the heck does it mean?

I've reinstalled the StyleWriter Driver (7.1 from Tuneup) and Chooser and have
deleted the PrintMonitor folder.  I've reinstalled PrintMonitor then finally
reinstalled EVERYTHING from scratch.  No go.

Sometimes it'll crap out initially, sometimes in the middle of a print job.  No
problems printing with background printing off.

Mandatory info:
Classic with 4m, 7.01-1.1.1
StyleWriter running from printer port.

I'm lost....Tnx for any help.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:39:21 GMT

In article <qyhn=3=.bskendig@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian
Kendig) writes:
>In article <SPENCER.92Aug31125259@guraldi.med.umich.edu>
>spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug29.080521.13035@msc.cornell.edu>
>maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
>>> This strikes me as a rather hysterical response. Mode32 exists. You can
>ftp
>>> it for free. It works. We have no evidence that it does NOT work with
>>> system 7.1. 
>>
>>My understanding was that MODE32 worked only with system 7.0, not even
>>with 7.0.1.  Please correct mee if I'm wrong.
>
>You're wrong.  :)  I think it even works with System 6.
>
>But I think Apple's doing a bad thing by not putting it into 7.1.
>Sure, it can be ftp'ed for free, but your average Mac-owner doesn't
>have access to ftp, and may not even know MODE32 is available for free.

Presumably this "average" Mac owner also doesn't need MODE32. Just how many
"average" users are out there with more than 8MB in their cx's or SE/30's?

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dewey@centerline.com (Devan F. Dewey)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use System 6.08 on a Classic II
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:27:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.125519.16425@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler) wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to run a Classic II on System 6.08?  Alot of old but
> usefeul software won't run under System 7, plus it is annoyingly slow
> compared to 6.08.  I have tried taking 7 off of the HD and just about
> every possible variation to get 6.08 running on it, but it always comes
> back with a message at bootup saying it needs a newer system.

Everything I've heard and read says no, absolutely not. Apples spec say
7.0.1 is required.

  

                           
               Devan F. Dewey | Senior Systems Analyst
          CenterLine Software | dewey@centerline.com
            10 Fawcett Street | "Leme esplain - no dere is
          Cambridge, MA 02138 | too much. Leme sum up."
                                       -Inigo Montoya