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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:53:08 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

> 	You can say that about any rifle or pistol.  Yet Congress has 
>    specifically singled out semi-auto assault rifles just because they LOOK
>    LIKE the full auto military counterparts.  Gimme a break.  

Yes, it would ofcourse be most logical if they banned them altogether 
except for hunters. But I guess that would not be so popular in the 
US...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1084 and 1084s  What's the diff?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:20:57 GMT

In article <dbrouw71.722559154@ursa> dbrouw71@ursa.calvin.edu (Daryl Brouwer) writes:
>I am a new Amiga user looking to purchase a monitor.  In the process
>of looking for one, I have come upon a problem.  I am looking at
>buying a 1084 monitor, but I see there is a 1084s version.  What is
>the difference if any?  If anyone could help an Amiga newbie, I would
>really appreciate it.  Thanks!
>
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Daryl Brouwer        Calvin Video Network      Vox: 616-957-6999
>General Manager      3201 Burton St. SE        Fax: 616-957-8551
>                     Grand Rapids, MI 49546    Email: dbrouw71@ursa.calvin.edu

A 1084 monitor has one speaker built in.  This means mono sound.  The
1084s has two speakers built in.  This means stereo sound.  Oh it also
has left and right audio in.  Everything else about them is  the same.

Edsel Adap
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forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid
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From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200's & IDE HARD DRIVES
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:26:45 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

In article <37100@cbmvax.commodore.com> dlarson@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Larson) writes:
>
>HDToolBox knows how to talk to scsi.device.  So does a lot of other software.
>Hence, it was decided to make our scsi.device learn to talk IDE rather than
>writing all new software.  So you do have an IDE drive, you know that and I
>know that, but HDToolBox is none the wiser.
>
Just 2 quick question:

1. Can the version of HDToolBox supplied with the A590 be used to setup an IDE
Hard Drive fitted to an A1200?

2. Do all the A1200 3.0 roms support hard drives or are there 2 Rom versions
as per the A600?

>
>-- 
>Dale Larson, Software Engineer | Anyone who believes that what I say or do
>   		               | represents the policies or procedures of
>			       | Commodore has more lawyers than they have 
>dlarson@commodore.com          | common sense.


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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 and CDrom (aka IDE blows) (was Re: IDE : Possible
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> You all act like you can't stick your SCSI controllers in the 4000.

Well, in some cases you can't. The A2091 will not work the A4000 I've heard 
reported here, it needs a ROM upgrade. Also, several people had problems with 
the popular GVP Impact II host adapators, and GVP blamed it on the A4000, 
apparently. Also, DMA based Zorro II cards will have performance troubles when 
loading into the FAST RAM of the A4000. So, getting a SCSI host adapter for 
the A4000 that will work without problems isn't that trivial, it seems. 
Perhaps someone could post a list of host adaptors (with ROM version numbers 
please) that *do* work fine.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: ghazi@wizofhoz.uucp (Ozzie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  68030/MMU on A530 is possible?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:10:17 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <7473@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> h8eg083@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (Darren Gower) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.134709.12449@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ry53@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Angela Schmidt) writes:
>
>[...]
>>Yesterday, I replaced the 68EC030/40 of my A530 by an 68030/50. It
>>works rather fine. Enforcer runs, but I have a bit trouble with 
>>SetCPU KICKROM, which resets the machine, but does not bring up
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the new kickstart. But the reason may be my nonstandard system:
>[...]
>
>>|> 	Why not?  I put a MMUed 030 on my VXL, which also ships with the
>>|> EC as standard. They are pin for pin compatible, you may have to reset a
>>|> few jumpers on the GVP, but it shouldn't cause any problems, all you are
>>|> doing is giving yourself an MMU.
>
>>It works without resetting any jumpers.
>
>In the manual for the A530, there is talk of jumpers which control
>the 'emulation' of MMU functionality to allow the ROM to be shadowed
>into 32bit ram. To use the MMU '030, it talks of having to short
>(or close?) a set of jumpers on the motherboard, which disables the
>on-board 'GVP MMU' (such that it is ...). Could this explain your
>problems with setcpu not working properly?
>

	Along with setting those jumpers I think the other major problem
with his His SetCPU option is it should be SetCPU FASTROM, KICKROM is for
loading a kickstart file into fast ram I do believe.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: victorng@csri.toronto.edu (Victor Ng-Thow-Hing)
Subject: Amax II 800K disks
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:23:30 GMT

Hi everyone:
What is the main difference between Amax II and Amax II plus?  Do you need
a special Mac drive to read 800k disks? I also heard that Amax II software
can understand High Density disks with Commodore's new HD drive, but can this
new commodore drive read 800K Mac disks?
Thanks,
Victor.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 -=> 68EC040
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:31:48 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1eiub4INN9qn@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
> dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org (Ludwig Hurt) writes:
> : In article <1992Nov6.103421.3729@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>,
> : 	g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Claire Radlett) writes:
> : ->Hi Everyone.
> : ->
> : ->I have heard a report that not all A4000's have the full blown 68040 CPU
> : ->and instead have the 68EC040 CPU ( The cut down version ). Can anyone 
> : ->
> : ->Thanks Claire.
> : ->
> : 
> : This is false. I have got one.
> : 
> : -- 
> : Ludwig Hurt,      | The first myth of management is that it exists !!
> : Wertheimer Str.74 |
> : 8000 Muenchen 60  | USENET: dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org
> : Germany   ECG089  | CBMNET: dolittle@halmuc.bsc.adsp.sub.org
> 
> Well Amiga Format (UK Magazine) reviewed the 4000 and they said it was a 
> 68EC040. (without FPU or MMU).
> 
> Has anyone from C= actually said that its a true 040??
> I don't want to write into the mag, to set them straight if I haven't got
> my facts right. Unfortunately I'm a student and can't afford a 4000 YET, so
> can't see it.
> 
	Don't know about the UK, but Commodore US employees have repeatedly
	posted that all models currently sold in the US have full 040s.
	It seems the rumor started when someone read the part in the manual,
	that not all A4000s have the full 040, hinting that EC040 A4000s will 
	be available in the future.

> Any chance of introducing an educational discount C= ????
> 
> Vlod
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 -=> 68EC040
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:56:36 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org (Ludwig Hurt) writes:
: In article <1992Nov6.103421.3729@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>,
: 	g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Claire Radlett) writes:
: ->Hi Everyone.
: ->
: ->I have heard a report that not all A4000's have the full blown 68040 CPU
: ->and instead have the 68EC040 CPU ( The cut down version ). Can anyone 
: ->
: ->Thanks Claire.
: ->
: 
: This is false. I have got one.
: 
: -- 
: Ludwig Hurt,      | The first myth of management is that it exists !!
: Wertheimer Str.74 |
: 8000 Muenchen 60  | USENET: dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org
: Germany   ECG089  | CBMNET: dolittle@halmuc.bsc.adsp.sub.org

Well Amiga Format (UK Magazine) reviewed the 4000 and they said it was a 
68EC040. (without FPU or MMU).

Has anyone from C= actually said that its a true 040??
I don't want to write into the mag, to set them straight if I haven't got
my facts right. Unfortunately I'm a student and can't afford a 4000 YET, so
can't see it.

Any chance of introducing an educational discount C= ????

Vlod
From: emoore@ua.d.umn.edu (Eric A. Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Amiga 4000 parallel/serial ports
Date: 21 Nov 1992 09:54:35 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

I was wondering if anyone knows if CBM still uses the old 8520 CIA's in the
4000. I heard somewhere that this was changed. I sure hope so. Something a
bit faster is needed. Perhaps a faster version of the 8520?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado)
Subject: A500 Power Consumption
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:17:36 GMT

Hi. Can anyone tell me how much power an A500 with one floppy and 1 Meg 
consumes.  I intend to add a 8W hard drive and a 1.5W SCSI controller to my
slingshot adapter, but I don't know if the total power consumed will be
greater than the 60W the power supply can provide. 

Thanks.

 
  // Lou Prado	EE  Undergrad   Arizona State Univ   prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Ami
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:24:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1e2imsINNr9e@mozz.unh.edu> <1992Nov15.003931.1679@msus1.msus.edu>
  <69600@cup.portal.com>

>>In article <1e2imsINNr9e@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
>>writes:
>>>
>>> '>Actually, what use would you have for it except shooting people and use
>>> '>it to threaten them?
>>>
>>>       You can say that about any rifle or pistol.  Yet Congress has
>>
>>        .....or baseball bat or kitchen knife or a 2 x 4.  It's the person
>>weilding the object that makes it threatening.
>>
>>
>>============================================================================
>>Kevin Whyte                                             kevin@msus1.msus.edu
>>        **Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
>>"Still, the best augers are those who divine from the portents of the past.
>>They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook
>
>Well what I want is an "assault" baseball bat which can mow down 20 people
>(or deer if you're a wimp) at a clip.

You probably already own one.  It's called a car. :-)  Just give it a slovak
or jewish sounding name like the Lexus AK67 or Oozi Wagon.

>I mean what's a guy to do if he gets fired or or loses a family argument or
>something.

You could do the same damage with a pump shotgun and a couple 9mm's.  No
biggy.  

>Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com

-Joel
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From: D.Pidcock@bradford.ac.uk (Danny Pidcock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 keyboard (A600 owners?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91642540@ccw303
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Peter //odin (e91petmo@odalix.ida.liu.se) wrote:
: bell@ufp.enet.dec.com () writes:
: 
: >Hi.  I got the A1200.gif, and I notice that the A1200 keyboard is
: >different from my A500 by two keys.  The left shift key is shorter than
: >on mine, and there's a new key because of that (left of the 'Z').  And
: >the RETURN key has been shortened; there's a new key at the end of the
: >"ASDFGH" etc. line.
Where did you get the A1200.gif from?
I've looked all over wuarchive and can't find it!

- Danio

Dan Pidcock | UK | University of Bradford
d.pidcock@uk.ac.bradford
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: So when do we get a 1200 with HARD-DRIVE??
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:44:11 GMT

What is the official exchange rate for the pound to the dollar?

I.e., what does 399 pounds translate to?  $600?

The suggested retail price is $699 out here, but no one ever adheres to
it... could I get an AGA machine for Christmas for $500?

I can get harddrives, IDE, 40 meg, used, for $100 or less, so basically
all I want is a CPU (not to mention I already have a compatible multi-
sync).

Thom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:36:09 GMT

In article <8691@orbit.cts.com> marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon) writes:
>Do you have ANY idea what your talking about? IBM is MAGNITUDES bigger in
>terms of revenue than CBM.  IBM has been dictating industry direction for the
>most part of the last 30 years! 
> 
>Every time company xzy comes out with product abc you go on a CBM bashing
>rampage.  Get a life Marc.  Get your stinking degree and see what the REAL
>world is all about.
> 
>Do you think CBM has a bottomless pit of cash? Should they try to address
>EVERY stinking area of PC production? Hit EVERY market? ... You seem to think
>so.

   No I don't.  I am just saying that in the markets that Commodore does want
to stay active, Commodore needs to get products to the market far more 
quickly.  The AGA chipset should have been available about two years ago.  It
should not have taken Commodore so long to put a 386SX into their BridgeBoard.
It should not be taking Commodore so long to bring out a CD-ROM drive for
A2000, A3000, and A4000 systems.  And so on.  I am not saying that Commodore
should develop products like fax machines and cellular phones.  I am saying
that Commodore needs to develop Amiga products and Amiga systems far more
quickly.

>UUCP: {tcnet, crash, quest}!orbit!pnet51!marv
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: A1200 Doubts...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:15:13 GMT

In article <56991@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> borzieri@cavour.ICO.olivetti.com (Ivan Borzieri) writes:
>From: borzieri@cavour.ICO.olivetti.com (Ivan Borzieri)
>Subject: A1200 Doubts...
>Date: 18 Nov 92 08:39:24 GMT
>Hi,
>
>I'm planning to sell all my existing hw to get a brand new Amiga 1200, but I 
>have some doubts :) :
>
>			- Is it true that if I get a MultiSync Monitor
>			(scanning down to 15 Khz) I can display ALL the
>			modes the a1200 is capable of ?

Yes.


>			In which modes I STILL get flickering ? 

In the Interlaced modes.

>
>			- A friend of mine told me IDE HD used in A1200
>			are somewhat different from the ones used in PCs.
>			Is that true ?

No it is not true.

>
>		
>							Thanks,
>							Ivan
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Networking?  WHY?!?
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <jm39s70.4zpd@sycom.mi.org> jm39s70@sycom.mi.org (Jim Mallory) writes:

>Not to be nitpicking but Appletalk is the name of the Protocol stock, 
>LocalTalk is the name of the hardware port built into the Mac.  

While you're picking nits, that's the party line today.  Originally Apple's
docs called the whole schemeggie "AppleTalk".  When they started thinking
about splitting the HW/SW aspects of the thing, they started adding more
fancy names.

>There are versions of Appletalk that run on Ethernet and Token-Ring 
>(Ethertalk and Tokentalk respectivly but it is all Appletalk.)

And "CrossTalk" is what you get when you plug the wrong ones together.


-- 
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		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"
From: jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga mouse port pinouts!! [related question]
Keywords: mouse port pinout
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:49:38 GMT
Organization: UB



	is it possible to write to the mouse port (say, assert a voltage
on a  certain pin) ?

thanks.

-- 
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opnsmurf@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu             standard disclaimers apply.  sunyab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: walshs@cs.uwp.edu (Steven Walsh)
Subject: A2000 - $800
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:36:26 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Mega-Midget Racer info (problem solved)
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:06:01 GMT

vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky) writes:
>it worked for me, and I am happy now.  Other things that do not work with the  
>MMR are ALL PSYGNOSIS GAMES, but I don't mean to pick on any one company in  
>particular.  Ask me why they don't work:  I have BOUGHT almost every one of  
>them.  Imagine my dissapointment.  Don't worry none about that-- I have a young
>Amiga friend who is too much into games.  He will be happy to buy them.  Since 
>I kinda want to do better things than play games with my Amiga, contacting  
>Psygnosis (or was it Psyclapse?) seems like an infortuitous suggestion.
>	Thanks to the two guys off this group, CSA, and SupraRam (who have  
>awesome hold music, BTW) for the help.  I hope this saves other people from too

Well I have found that to be true to.  Even though many of the games that won't
work on my mmr will work on an a3000.  Seems odd, but perhaps they didn't have
an mmr to test it on nor did they care since compatibility isn't of there
biggest attention.

Martin
From: dlarson@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Larson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200's & IDE HARD DRIVES
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:36:08 GMT
Reply-To: dlarson@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Larson)
Organization: Commodore Engineering

In article <cheungc.721656754@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> cheungc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Carson Cheung) writes:
>A1200's have IDE interfaces however HDToolBox states
>that the hard drive in my machine is SCSI as too does the Boot Menu.
>
>Is this a bug in Kickstart 3 or has my machine really got a SCSI drive fitted?

HDToolBox knows how to talk to scsi.device.  So does a lot of other software.
Hence, it was decided to make our scsi.device learn to talk IDE rather than
writing all new software.  So you do have an IDE drive, you know that and I
know that, but HDToolBox is none the wiser.


-- 
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   		               | represents the policies or procedures of
			       | Commodore has more lawyers than they have 
dlarson@commodore.com          | common sense.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Will 1200 run IDE (now) and SCSI (later)
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov18.042903.4021@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:
> hilton@leechs.lzo.dec.com (Greg Hilton) writes:
> 
> 
> >Hiya,
> 
> >I have a large SCSI drive I would want to
> >put on a 1200 eventually.
> 
> >If I got a 20mb IDE 1200 now would this  prevent
> >me adding SCSI via the trapdoor later?
> 
> certainly not.  That is if you get from a different company than cbm.
> They will use their own driver er scsi.device.  And if you get a cbm one
> then I am sure they will rewrite the scsi.device to work with it or it might
> already might work for it.

This doesn't make a bit of sense.  The system software already knows how
to support mulitiple "scsi drivers" and one would assume that the putative
SCSI adapter would include a driver...

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 -=> 68EC040
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1eiub4INN9qn@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>
>Well Amiga Format (UK Magazine) reviewed the 4000 and they said it was a 
>68EC040. (without FPU or MMU).

Oh my God!

>Has anyone from C= actually said that its a true 040??

YES. MANY times. Here.

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