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From: jr@hal.com (John Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
Subject: Re: SUG Summary?
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:56:28 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jrzsun.hal.com
In-reply-to: bzs@world.std.com's message of 21 Dec 92 16:09:12 GMT


Lowlites included the poor planning for the all day technical seminars.
The room I was in for the Internet Protocols tutorial was packed.  Extra
chairs were brought in, but sitting in a chair juggling notes, paper, and
writing instruments without the benefit of a table gets tiresome.

The seminar rooms were the same rooms as the technical session rooms,
except they were cut in half with the sliding room dividers.  Nothing
was on the other side of the room dividers except space which could
have been used to handle the overflow crowd.  We had about 2 hours off
for lunch.  Surely they could have opened up the room and put in more
tables in 2 hours.

In any case, $450 for a week of technical sessions and gourmet food for
lunch :-) is still a bargain!!

It would be nice if someone from SUG would follow up with the presentors
and get all those slides put on sunsite.unc.edu as promised.

JR.


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JR (John Reed)
jr@hal.com
408-379-7000, x1417
Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
From: dwight@hyphen.com (Dwight Ernest)
Subject: Missing Papers from SUG '92
Summary: I'm collecting lots of the missing papers
Organization: Hyphen, Inc., Wilmington, MA 01887 USA / +1 508 988-0880
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:16:09 GMT

Many of the presenters of technical sessions whose presentations didn't
appear in the Proceedings have answered my personal request for their
papers by sending them to me.  Most of them are in Frame PostScript
output.  I have four of the papers so far, with more coming in.  I
plan to put them up on sunsite.unc.edu's anon FTP server when I get
a chance to do so.

I'd like to hear from any SUG people who might know better about how
to do this than I do.

I'd like to hear from anyone at unc.edu who might be interested in
helping to coordinate the placement, or who can tell me where to
upload.

I'd like to hear from any of the presenters whose work did not appear
in the Proceedings and who might be interested in making it available
for anonymous FTP so as to minimize the numbers of requests they get
from interested parties like I was.

-- 
--Dwight A. Ernest   R&D Manager (USA)     I speak only for myself.
  Hyphen, Inc./181 Ballardvale St./Wilmington, MA 01887/+1 508 988 0880 x125
  dwight@hyphen.com
From: davison@menudo.uh.edu (Dan Davison)
Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
Subject: Houston Sun User Group meeting Jan. 12th
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1i7g6bINN2n9
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu


The Houston Users Group for Suns meeting is Tuesday, January 12th at
the Sun Microsystems office, Greenway Plaza. 

The speaker is Jim Butler, from Vector Technologies, on the Kalpana
EtherSwitch, parallel ethernet (90 MB/sec). Someone from Kalpana will
also be speaking.

Refreshments will be available.

Next Months:
February  9  Paul MacMannis 214-733-6955 ShowGraphics 3D Pex
             terminalw/rendering 
March     9  Talarian Corporation, Pete Farrell, Real time data
             acquisition.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Any and all suggestions for speakers are welcome!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Meeting Date/Time:  Tuesday, January 12.  Social hour starts at 5:30,
new user/question and answer session starts at 6:00, meeting starts at
6:30pm.  Please note:  Security locks the doors at 7pm, so arrive
before 7 if you want in! 

Meeting Location: Houston Sun Office, located in Suite 1500 of 12 Greenway
Plaza.  Parking will be available in the garage across the street
(Colquitt) with a limited amount of parking available on the street itself.
(Sun has offered to validate parking.)

A badly rendered map follows the text of this message.

Everyone is welcome.  If you have any questions, contact Craig Fox
at 853-6332.



       [parking garage]  |         
-------------------------+ Colquitt
  (12 Greenway           |         
      plaza)             |Edloe    
                         |         
-------------------------+---------+----Richmond
                         |         |
                         |         |
                         |         |
 <-- 610, SW Hell,-----------------+---  US-59   downtown ---->
     lots o construction |         |
			 |         |
			 |         |Buffalo Speedway (what a stupid name) 
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--
dr. dan davison/dept. of biochemical and biophysical sciences/univ. of
Houston/4800 Calhoun/Houston,TX 77204-5934/davison@uh.edu/DAVISON@UHOU

-----RIP Isaac Asimov 1920-1992     I'll miss him --------------------

Disclaimer: As always, I speak only for myself, and, usually, only to
myself.
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From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.org.sug,comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Novell buys Unix Systems Laboratory
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:26:01 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: University of Northern B.C.


I don't think USL owns Plan 9.
Newsgroups: comp.org.sug,comp.org.usenix
From: peter@sug.org (Peter Salus)
Subject: Departure
Organization: The Sun User Group
Distribution: w
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:17:33 GMT

This is to let all of you know that I will be leaving 
the Sun User Group at the beginning of the New Year.

For a number of months, the Board and I have differed 
on a number of issues concerning direction of the 
User Group.  After a series of discussions, the year
end/beginning was seen as an appropriate time for me
to proceed in my own direction.

Peter H. Salus

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	voice +1 617 232-0514		fax +1 617 232-1347
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: bringing family to Usenix
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:16:10 GMT

phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) wrote: 
->I think you are misinterpreting that original comment.  I took it to
->mean "a conference is not a vacation unless you are getting the
->company to pay your way when you have no intention to participate in
->ANY aspect of the conference." 

thanks for explaining that (i've been away for a few days, so i'm not
seeing this until 21 december) ... that's exactly what i intended.  

-> ... I seriously doubt that (um, who was it
->that said that) Henry meant you were being fradulent by keeping
->evenings to yourself.  I think you are way way overinterpreting it....

exactly ... and not only this, but i think the gentleman from iowa
state is behaving as if everyone else were stupid because they thought
the evening BOFs were useful ... this attitude is quite tired.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: USENIX ;login: Reader Survey
Keywords: USENIX Association
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:37:07 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley


		    ;login: READER SURVEY

During the past year ;login: has undergone changes in its editorial
direction and format.  We have an additional editor at the helm,
Rob Kolstad, and new typesetter, Carolyn Carr. We wish to seek out
your opinions concerning the contents.

If you have the time, please review the last 5 issues of ;login:.
Specifically, we would like your input regarding the following areas:

Do you find the articles in the "Features" columns to be poor, adequate,
or excellent?  How can we improve this section?  What areas would you
like to see more articles on? Would you like to contribute an article?

Please send your comments to: login@usenix.org.  We look forward to
hearing form you, so that we can continue to improve you newsletter
in future issues.

				Rob, Ellie, & Carolyn
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: BOF sessions
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:02:46 GMT

Dumb question: does anyone have any idea as to what sorts of Birds-of-Feather
sessions are going to be going on at usenix?

-bacon
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.org.sug,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: hollaar%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Hollaar)
Subject: Re: Novell buys Unix Systems Laboratory
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:29:13 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: alt

In article <BZS.92Dec26184506@world.std.com> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>Perhaps it's too late, if I were BSDI and USL did that to me I'd sue
>their pants off: Engage me in a suit, cause me business problems and
>direct costs, and then drop me admitting freely that they sued the
>wrong party for PR reasons or some such babble? Hah! I'd be happy to
>*invest* in the results of that counter-suit! It would be irrelevant
>if they were still ultimately affected by the outcome, knowingly suing
>the wrong party w/o a really good reason is not a good position to be
>in, particularly if you got deep pockets, I'd open the bidding in the
>high 7 digits.

The USL suit against BSDI is not exactly meritless.  There was the trademark
infringement action regarding BSDI's 1-800-ITS-UNIX number, that has already
been settled in USL's favor, as I remember.  That part of the suit was
certainly directed at the right party.

The current workings of the civil justice system encourages getting all
related disputes between two parties aired in a single suit, so once USL
decided to file on the trademark infringement, it was reasonable for it
to include the other charges.  And in "notice pleading" the complaint
only contains the basic allegations, with the specifics being developed
before trial in the discovery phase.

If USL had not added UCB as an additional defendant, BSDI might have had
to sue UCB as a third-party defendant over its warranty that Net/2 would
not infringe AT&T's proprietary rights.

Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: Novell buys Unix Systems Laboratory
Organization: Boyd & Eddie's noisy pmax
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:39:30 GMT

If Novell prevents USL from producing any more System V releases
I'd say it could well be the best thing going for System V yet!


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad.''  -- Rob Pike
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From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: bringing family to Usenix
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:54:34 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
}exactly ... and not only this, but i think the gentleman from iowa
}state is behaving as if everyone else were stupid because they thought
}the evening BOFs were useful ...

Ah yes, how dare anyone have an opinion different from the great henry.

If you had bothered to pay any attention, I said *I* didn't find them all
that useful, but others might (for example, those without access to Usenet).

}                             ... this attitude is quite tired.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

John
-- 
John Hascall                   ``An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.''
Systems Software Engineer
Project Vincent
Iowa State University Computation Center  +  Ames, IA  50011  +  515/294-9551
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Subject: Free Software Workshop, Moscow, 4/19-23
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:21:17 GMT

	     CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

   There is a conference on Free Software taking place in Moscow,
Russia, April 19-23, 1993.

   The conference is hosted by SUUG, the Society of Unix User Groups
(formerly the Soviet Unix Users Group), the Russian Center for Systems
Programming, the Russian Chapter of the Free Software Foundation, and
the International Center for Scientific and Technical Information.

   Participant specialists are coming from North America, Europe and
Japan.  We have just learned that Richard Stallman, founder of the
Free Software Foundation, and recipient of the ACM Admiral Grace
Hopper Award and MacArthur Fellowship, will attend.

   The main topics of the Workshop include:
   - the current state of the GNU project and other FSF projects;
   - "free" software means information freedom and sharing;
   - free software portability in Open Systems environments;
   - user experiences with free software;
   - free software in education and training;
   - legal aspects of free software;
   - relevance of free software to NIS modernization and democracy;
   - how NIS scientists can contribute to free software.

   Concurrent with the conference, there will be a small exhibition
demonstrating free software in a networked heterogeneous environment.

   The conference encourages submissions of original designs, papers
and ideas, and it welcomes the participation of computer and software
companies.

   In the past, a conference of this kind has drawn 120-140 attendees
from within the former Soviet Union, including 20-30 computer
specialists, 60-80 enthusiasts, 20-30 persons from the commercial
sector and members of the public.  This year the turnout is expected
to be larger, because there is great interest in free software among
all kinds of programmers and users.

   The precise location of the conference will be announced in the
coming months.

   For further information, you may contact any of the following
members of the program committee:

Name                        Telephone            E-mail
--------------------------  -----------------    ----------------------
Moscow
  Sergei Kuznetsov (Chair)  +7 (095) 272-4425    kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su
  Peter Brusilovski         +7 (095) 198-7055    plb@plb.icsti.su
  Dmitry Volodin            +7 (095) 231-2129    dvv@hq.demos.su
Boston
  Geoffrey S. Knauth        +1 (617) 891-5555    gsk@marble.com

   Please send proposals for participation, paper abstracts and texts
via e-mail to the Chair <kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su>.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555                             Standard Disclaimers
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: when, where and what theme is next USENIX conference (not Jan)???
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:59:52 GMT

any info appreciated.  -fish

--
John R. Vanderpool                INTERNET: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
NASA/GSFC                         VOX: 301-513-1683                
Hughes/STX Corporation            FAX: 301-513-1608
all this science, i don't understand; its just my job 5 days a week - rocket man
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From: carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.org.sug,comp.org.uniforum,comp.os.misc,comp.misc
Subject: USENIX Birds of a Feather Sessions for Winter '93 Conference
Keywords: USENIX Association
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:53:40 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley


        Current Listing of Birds of a Feather Sessions

                     Scheduled for the

               USENIX San Diego Conference 

		 January 25 - 29, 1993
			*********

TUESDAY, JANUARY 26

6 - 8pm		NIS+:  An Enterprise Naming Service
		Lou Del Zompo, SunSoft, Inc.

6 - 8pm		Standards
		Jeff Haemer, Canary Software


WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 27

6 - 8pm		Solaris for X-86 Platforms
		 Kuljeet Kalkat, SunSoft

6 - 8pm		Converting Applications to Use Threads
		Bill Cox, Unix System Lab

6 - 8pm		Works-in-Progress Sessions
		 To schedule - Contact Lisa Bloch at lab@usenix@org

8 - 9pm		BSDI
		 Rob Kolstad, BSDI

9am - 10pm	A Report on 4.4BSD
		 Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic

8 - 10pm	SAGE Open Board Meeting
		 Elizabeth Zwicky, SRI

8 - 10pm	Tcl and Tk
		 John Ousterhout, Univ. of CA - Berkeley



THURSDAY, JANUARY 28

9 - 11pm	Schedule open
________________________________________________________________

If you wish to set up a BOF session please contact:

USENIX Association
Conference Office
22672 Lambert St., Suite 613
El Toro, CA  92630
Telephone (714) 588-8649 
FAX: (714) 588-9706





Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.org.sug,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: hollaar%basset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Hollaar)
Subject: Re: Novell buys Unix Systems Laboratory
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:03:25 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: alt

In article <17759@umd5.umd.edu> mark@roissy.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) writes:
>p.s.  I've seen code that says "Copyright 1973 Bell Telephone Laboratories
>Inc".  Under the old copyright law, shouldn't that be expired by now?

Under the Copyright Act of 1909, which was in effect in 1973, the
term of a copyright was 28 years from the date of first publication.
The copyright could be renewed for another 28-year term.  If the work
was not published, it was not copyrightable under the 1909 Act, but was
protected by common law copyright.

Under the transitional provisions of the Copyright Act of 1976, if a
copyright under the 1909 act was in its first term, it could be renewed
for second 47 year term (giving a total term of 75 years, the same as
for anonymous works or works-for-hire under the 1976 Act.)  That means
that if the copyright owner renewed in 1990 (27 years after 1973), the
copyright will run until 2037.

If the work was unpublished and not copyrighted (from the legislative
history, this seems to mean covered by the Copyright Act of 1909, not
common law copyright), the term of the copyright under the 1976 Act
is 75 years from January 1, 1978, or December 31, 2052.  (The 1976 Act
extended Federal statuatory copyright to all unpublished works as if
they were created on the effective date of the Act -- January 1, 1978.)

Anyway, it's probably a long time before the copyright expires ...


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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Wanted:  What do you think I am looking for here?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:36:58 GMT

Well, I will throw my hat into the ring in the search for someone to
share a room with at the Winter Usenix.  I am driving down from the Bay
(with a stop in L.A.) on the 26th and will be leaving San Diego on Friday
evening, so that means I need a place for the night of the 27th and 28th,
possibly the 26th as well (depends on whether I want to try to get from
L.A. to San Diego before the opening session).  

So, that is what I am looking at.

-- 
-----------------------------------+----------------------------------------
Alan F. Perry                      | "e-mail is wrecking my life"
esprit@netcom.com        (home)    |            - some random person 
allan@hakkinen.lynx.com  (work)    |              standing in San Francisco
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix.roomshare
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: *ping*
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:00:54 GMT

looking for someone else who has to go to usenix on the cheap who might
want to share a room in the Town&Country (where usenix is being held).

I priced a motel 6 in san diego, it's $37/night. For that, you might
as well split a T&C double ($75/night) and save the half-mile walk.
(Holiday Inn is $69/night...)

I ain't picky about race/age/gender/vendor affiliation/hardware preference,
so long as you practice regular hygiene, don't snore, and don't watch
Knight Rider. :)

If you're interested, send me some email. I'll be outta town til
probably next tuesday or wednesday for Christmas.

-bacon
--
= Jeffery Bacon       General Systems Hack, Michigan Technological University =
= bacon@mtu.edu       ph-(906)487-2197 fax-(906)487-2822    Printing is Evil. =
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix.roomshare
From: yogi@techunix.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil)
Subject: Room mate: 26th to 30th.
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:35:00 GMT

I am looking for a roommate for the usenix conference.
I arrive on the 26th (late at night) and leave on the 30th
(early on the morning). No special requests/demands. 

--Yossi Gil
From: joshua5@csa.bu.edu (Jim Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix.roomshare
Subject: Care to share a room?  1/23-1/31
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:32:10 GMT
Reply-To: joshua5@cs.bu.edu
Organization: Boston Univ., Computer Science

I'm surprised at how little traffic is on this particular newsgroup, but I
will post anyways in hope of finding something....

I'm looking for someone to share a room with at the Winter Conference. I'll
be coming in from Boston on Saturday the 23rd and leaving in the morning on
Sunday the 31st. I don't need someone who's staying the whole time, just a
few days would help cut down the cost.

In June, I spent a lot of time talking to various BSD/386 and Linux
people.  I'm interested in anything to do with BSD Unix and X11.  Enough
said, if you're looking, drop me a line...

And now back to our regularly scheduled static....			

				-- Jim Peters (joshua5@cs.bu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: jr@inset.com (JR Oldroyd)
Subject: USENIX SCUBA Club
Reply-To: "JR Oldroyd" <jr@onion.inset.com>
Organization: The Instruction Set, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:09:09 GMT


Hi!

Anyone interested in some diving while in San Diego?  If so, drop
me a line.  Sunday Jan 24th and Monday Jan 25th look like possible
dates for a trip or two...

	-jr
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont)
Subject: Re: 35 LaserWriter II fonts wanted (for NeXT)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:06:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.182053.23449@zip.eecs.umich.edu> telfeyan@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Roland Telfeyan) writes:
>I would like to get the 35 fonts that are standard in LaserWriters II
>and install them on my NeXT. What's the best way to do this? I have a
>LaserWriter and a Mac, and I think there's some utility that lets me get
>the fonts back to the Mac. From there, I can convert them to NeXT.


Sorry, but the font licenses specify that the font is licensed "Per server" (ie per postscript interpreter).  The NeXT, being a DSP interpreter is a proper server.  As such, you would be violating copyright violations by doing so.

Aside from that, it's not trivial to get a bidirectional communications set up
from a laserwriter.




-- 
Sean T. Lamont                           |   "Don't oppress me, It's
zeno@genetics.washington.edu             |    'computer of color!' "
lamont@abstractsoft.com                  |_______________________________
Abstract Software
From: ken@racerx.bridge.COM (Ken Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Cyrillic fonts
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:14:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Planet Earth

In article <1992Dec21.174739.22279@mcs.drexel.edu> gjoconne@mcs.drexel.edu (Jeff OConnell) writes:
+Can anyone tell me if Cyrillic fonts (Russian alphabet) are available
+for x-windows? Any help would be appreciated.


Look in COUP/TL@moxie.oswego.edu.


-- 

Ken Hardy
ken@bridge.com  (racerx!ken)