From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:35:13 GMT
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <85341@ut-emx.uucp>, wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick
Chester) writes:
>
>In article <79tk02fM2eDC01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@cd.amdahl.com
>(Kent L. Shephard) writes:
>]>
>]>Also, please explain how an AfAm whose ancestors came to the states
>]>after the end of slavery is disadvanatged by it.
>]
>]Check your history, recent history that is.  Rosa Parks was arrested
>in the 
>]early 60s for not giving up he seat on the bus.  "NO BLACKS SERVED
>HERE", 
>]"BLACK TO THE REAR", etc. does that ring a bell, or are you just
>completely
>]clueless?  You ignore Jim Crow laws of less than 30 years ago.
>]It did not end when slavery ended since laws of this nation were still
>>]in effect to systematically opress black folks.
>
>Nitpick: Those were state laws, not federal laws. The main problem was
>that
>the Supreme Court Justices at the time would not repeal such laws
>despite
>the fact they were in violation of the Constitution. You know, the
>13th, 14th,
>and 15th amendments? 

If the federal gov't won't deem those laws unconstitutional it is in fact
sactioning the practice of those laws.   If you want to nit pick so be it.
But you  still don't address the fact that these laws were used to
systematically opress black folks.  

Did it happen or not?  Yes it happened.  Did white people in ameriKKKa benefit
from those laws?  Yes they did.  So what's your point?

> 
>]>
>]>Also, please explain why a non-AfAm whose ancestors who came to the
>]>US after the end of slavery should be required to bear the burden of
>]>rectifying the problems caused by slavery.
>]>
>]
>]Because they benefitted from the legacy of racism that hasn't ended yet.
>]If you are non-AfAm, non-Native American, Eskimo, etc. , ie European 
>]ancestory and your family has been here more than 30 years it benefited from
>]those laws.  IF they did nothing to rectify the problem, then they are part
>]of the problem.  I didn't see mases of white folks supporting MLK, some did
>]but I would bet you it wasn't 1 out of 10.
>
>Pardon me, Kent-sensei, I was born in 1970. How can I be blamed for something
>that happened 30 years ago? Is your hatred of anybody with low melanin levels
>so great that you can just blame them for things done before their births? My,
>that sounds rather racist.

I didn't blame you.  If your parents were here in ameriKKKa and they did
nothing
to get rid of those laws and work for equality of *ALL* people in this
country then they were part of the problem.  Why?  Because if your
parents
didn't work to rid this country of such laws then they indirectly
supported the 
status quo and benefitted in education and discriminatory hiring
practices.

>
>You are merely frothing for revenge and don't care who you hurt just that you
>punish them because people like them did something to you and your ancestors.
>That you think of this as "justice" makes it even more repugnant.
> 

I don't want anything but equality in ameriKKKa.  So you want to sit there all
high and might with that uneducated 22 year old mind of yours fine.  But tell
me that institutionalized racism in ameriKKKa doesn't exist, get a king 
sized grip on reality.   If your parents did nothing and are doing nothing
to fight racism in ameriKKKa then they are still part of the problem.  
By your statement I can tell they didn't educate you on anything except white
bread ameriKKKa.


>]>Finally, something I think you just don't get is that the rest of the
>]>country is rapidly running out of patience with the idea that the
>]>problems of today were caused by the way the great grandparents of one
>]>group of people treated the great grandparents of another group of
>]>people 150 years ago.  Other groups in the US seem to have avoided
>]>being traumatized by much more recent events (i.e. Holocaust for Jews, war
>]>and refugee camps for Vietnamese and Cambodians) and the constant
>]>harping back to events from the 1800s just doesn't wash with people
>]>who don't even know who their great grandparents were because war and
>]>various forms of terror totally ripped apart their families in the
>]>20th century, not the 19th.
>]
>]Check 30 years ago, see above.
>]I'm getting tired of people in this newsgroup, white folks in
>particular that 
>]ignore the fact that up until 30 years ago or so there were laws that
>were
>]supported by the supreme court of this country that made it completely
>>]legal to *FUCK* over my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and
>cousins 
>]because they were black.
>
>And you wish to rectify that situation by *FUCKING* over me, my
>parents, and
>the rest of my family because they are white? Gee, maybe thirty years
>from now
>my descendants will use that to start the whole damn thing over again.
>I hope
>they don't but the young always were impetuous.

Are you actively doing something, besides harassing black folks, to end racism?
No, I didn't think so.   I don't wish to *FUCK* over you all I want is to
be treated equal.  Which I am not.  When was the last time you got pulled over 
because you were driving in a BMW?  When was the last time you were stopped 
because "you looked like a suspect, or fit the profile of a criminal"?

So please stop talking about all I want to do is screw over you.  *WAKE UP*!!!!

>Pardon the profanity. I thought it would help make my point.
> 
>]If you can't see that the fact that slavery of 130 years, *NOT* 150 years ago
>]is only part of the problem.  The real problem is for 100 years after slavery
>]it was acceptable and even *LEGAL* to *FUCK* over black folks in good ole'
>]ameriKKKa.
>
>It would help your case better if you would cut out the cheap trickkks. 
>Got it, KKKent?

Well first my name is Kent, thank you.
Second the post I was replying to kept saying that slvery was over 150 years
ago.  Which is just a damn lie.  If you can't understand 1992-150=1842 then
too bad.  Go back to high school and learn some real history.

>
>Back to the usual flamewars.

Better put on your suit before you get burned.

> 
>
>-- 
>Patrick Chester           
>|----------------------------------------------------
>wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which
>to keep
>Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
>Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of
>us are 
>#^%$!! Militarist          |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein
>(Of the Sun Tzu mentality)
>|----------------------------------------------------

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