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grs07071@runt.appstate.edu writes:
>Unto the Rialto does Jonathan Blackbow send greetings and salutations, and
>sincere hopes that this missive finds you in the best of health, and victorious
>from a skirmish which has left your enemies smarting.
> 
>I have been AWAY for a while, and have come back to notice that there are still
>some of the same complaints as when I left, to wit: that face thrusts and blow
>acknowledgement are still a problem.
>I believe I may have an effective solution, and beg you to hearken unto my
>words.
>As my editor has seen fit to screw up, this will have to be rather shorter than
>I had intended.  
>The concept of 'light' blows was put in in hopes that a fighter would be able

[...]

>his blow to seriously incapacitate a person, then yelling 'light', to me, is a
>gentleman's cop-out. 
> 
>Fellow people, the light rule was created to safeguard bodies, and instead, it
>is endangering them.  
>What I propose is a trial event or even trial period where ANY blow that makes
>contact shall be counted as telling.  This would have the effect of removing
>the psychological urge to swing harder and harder after hearing repeated
>'light's called.  Thus hopefully removing any urge to swing hard at all, which
>would be a GREAT benefit.

  I have seen more than one fighter take a light blow because the shot was
clean and unimpeded.  The thought behind it was that it was a pretty shot or
that if the fighter missed a block THAT badly s/he deserved to be defeated.
I prefer the idea of allowing chivalry to shine, let the thugmeister weebles
show out, they only hurt themselves and their reputations.  Besides, no rule
can eliminate the insatiable need to win at all costs.

>Realistically, a man armed with a polearm could, in the middle ages, cleave
>right through shields in one or two shots, making it useless; the reson
>shieldmen do so well against polearms is because they aren't behaving the way
>they really should. it's easy to stand there and take blow after blow from
>someone who isn't really trying to KILL you with the force of his blow.
>But is this really realistic? does it or does it not take most of the advantage
>away from using a polearm?

  One of these days I am going to hold melees where I give the true power 
back to two-hand weapons and see what happens.  You know, a shield taking the
second shot from a polearm is destroyed along with the arm holding it.  Two-
hand swords cut pole shafts in twain, etc.  I think that it might be inter-
esting for a small war to be done in that manner.

>Excessive force, I agree, is a problem.  I would like to know if this is a
>means to a solution.

  Doubt it.  The worst case of weebles and thugmeisters come from a need to
win, not a need to calibrate.  Some people just berserk on the field.
 
> 
> Jonathan Blackbow

Kevin
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From: mcs@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael straatmann)
Subject: _Hungarian_ tents and pavilions
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: world, na, usa, local
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:47:41 GMT

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto, doth Gospodin Mikhail Nikolaevich
Kramolnikov send greetings and abasement.

I fear that I have been misunderstood.  The original request, if memory 
serves me correctly, was for information on _Hungarian_ tents or pavilions.  It 
was the intention of my post to clarify between those of the Magyars and of the
Hungarians.  Although the Magyars were indeed the ancestral roots of the 
Hungarians, the Hungarian pavilions have a decidedly European flair.  
This is in contrast to the Central Asian style that I would envision the 
early Magyars to be using.  Are we discussing the homeland of the Magyars, or 
early period Hungarians, or late period Eastern Europeans.  
One of the books with really good pictures is entitled _Turkish Miniatures_ by
Geza Feher, dealing with the period of Hungary's Turkish occupations.  It was
printed in 1978 by Corvina Press in Budapest.  I can't seem to find the 
photocopy of the 2nd page with the ISBN, but I will continue searching my trash
bin of an abode.  

In service,

Gospodin Mikhail

From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Cool Chain Mail?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:14:00

>reasonable splint mail, banded, or scale in a short amount of time, and
>chain is a bitch but COOL to wear ...

Chain is *not* cool to wear.  It holds any tunic/cloth you have
underneath it down so that *it* can't allow air flow.

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
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From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
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Subject: Dietary restrictions
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:07:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!

Milord Tibor writes concerning the problems of offboard:

>I haven't seen much in the way of suggestions posted on this topic (What, a
>shortage of opinions?).  Aside from serving by the person, and not the
>table (as Ilaigne mentioned) and intermixing physical tables of on-board
>and off-board (which I've seen more and more of, and appreciate), what else
>could one do?
>   (stuff deleted)
>C'mon friends!  Help me figure a fun way out of this mess!

   One possibility I've seen used in this area is a 'modified buffet'
style of service.  Serving tables are set up outside the kitchen
and one volunteer from each table is requested to pick up food for
his/her table.  Thus, if there were ten people at a table and three
were offboard, the server would get food for seven people.  Of course
roasts, fowl and the like have to be pre-carved in serving-size
pieces, and one would probably wish to provide special service to
high table, but it seems to work reasonably well and allows everyone
to sit with whom they like.

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
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Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:14:08

Landon of Wolfkeep writes about the mundane name loophole...

>I know (now) that it's not period for a tenth-
>century Norse-Irishman, but after seventeen years it's too much
>trouble to change. :-)

This could be an argument to abolish the loophole.  If you had not
been allowed to use Landon in the first place, and had choosen a
"period" name, you would have no need to change it after seventeen
years.  (Not that I think you should, of course.)

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
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Subject: Re: Persona & Classes
From: hzhao@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:28:18 EDT
 <1992Apr9.080819.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <ewright.702835502@convex.convex.com>
Organization: Wesleyan University

> Take this out of an SCA context.  A professor starts out by remarking
> on the car trouble that almost made him late for class, and says "thank
> God I made it."  He has brought up two topics, cars and God, about which
> he has some passing knowledge.  Is it irksome that he doesn't follow up
> with a full discussion of each?  (Neither one, after all is outside his
> temporal sphere, so he should be prepared to talk about them).

      If the class is supposed to be about God and cars (which would make the
analogy relevant), then the professor should indeed followup on the
introduction.
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Which _who_?! (Was: Mundane Name Loophole)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 04:17:01 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
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Greetings to Landon of Wulfkeep from Bjalfi Thordharson!
>
>   Personally, I'm quite fond of the Mundane Name Loophole -- I don't
>have to keep track of which Landon I am!      :-)

I never have to worry about which Bjalfi I am either, and no mundane loophole
for me...;>
Out of curiosity, does anyone know of another Bjalfi?  (I'm the one who lived
in Carolingia/East for a while, then moved to the Mists/West via Nordmark a
couple years ago.  Anyone who doesn't fit that description is someone else,
and I'd like to meet him.)

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: What is a Persona?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:26:19 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Apr13.191247.28227@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher) writes:
"In response to the question of why someone with no persona needs a
>(SCA) name, I can only refer you to the many people on this net who
>come from places where there are few personas.  You might address your
>question to the President of the SCA, who has a SCA name but no persona.

In other words, Mistress Sir Hilary of Serendip, who also isn't on the
Rialto.  (You can write to her; her address is in TI and probably also
in your kingdom newsletter.)

I like Sir William the Lucky's line: "Persona?  What's a persona?  I'm
just a simple country knight."

As I see it, an approximation at persona is a useful way of making sure
that you and your encampment look reasonably peri-oid (a phrase from
Master Frederick of Holland, who doesn't have a persona either) and
reasonably consistent--not like an explosion in a time machine.  I
do have a complete "persona story" that I could tell if I wanted to,
including how Hal and I picked each other up at the Sack of York in
866--but it's easier just to wave the hands a bit and say "Ninth-century
English," and it's even  easier, particularly if I'm tired, to say,
"Oh, you know, Early Period Northern European."  (I acknowledge that
that has more syllables, but it's vaguer and means I don't have to
wave my hands as much.

I have probably just given Cariadoc a raging headache.  Sorry, Cariadoc.
(Does anybody know if willow-bark tea is period or if Adrienne of
Toledo just made it up?)

>Aryk Nusbacher
>
>(Can you guess that I haven't figured out how to quote with this editor?)

That's ok--but please remember to carriage return every 60 characters
or so.  Some of our systems object to lines over 256 characters.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Wm the Conqueror - Member?
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:31:26 GMT
Followup-To: jtn@vtopus.cs.vt.edu
Organization: SCA

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Hossein Ali Qomi send greetings
and prayers for the blessings of Allah.

Lord Bjalfi Thordharson writes _in re_ the "William the Conqueror, Member"
matter:

>*Wet blanket mode ON*
>I would guess that the title was formed by a truncation algorithm, from
>something like "Wm the Conqueror, Membership requirements, and related 
>blither and blather".
>*Wet blanker mode OFF*

Oh, Bjalfi, leave it to a Norseman to be practical. I know how obsessed
our Frankish Christian brethren are with relics of their saints.  Perhaps
this "member" was such a thing?  I have heard it said that they dismember
their saints to send them around to their churches -- perhaps that is
the "truncation algorithm" to which you allude?  But, then, I have only
heard tales and have never actually seen a Frankish saint dismembered. :-)

Hossein
From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Tax exempt status
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <mjc.701534384@NL.CS.CMU.EDU>, mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica
Cellio) writes:
|>Vajk writes, on the subject of eliminating our tax-exempt status:
|>>My understanding is that, for the most
|>>part, a local group cannot have more than 2000 dollars in a bank
account to be
|>>consiedered a non-profit or not-for-profit organization 
|>
|>I believe you have been given some misinformation.  For one thing, I would
|>expect income over the year to be the important factor, not bank balance at
|>any given time.

Actually, non profit status governs disbursement of funds, not
accumulation.  Most charities are non-profit, most churches, the
National Geographic Society, etc.  Basically, shareholders (members)
cannot receive a share of profit, it must all be reinvested/ retained/
used for purposes of the organization.
                             
  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
!erutangis ruoy otni suriv erutangis siht ypoc ot nevird ylsuoicsnocbus era uoY
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Re: old decrepit dukes (you're not old enough, Flieg...)
Reply-To: cpg3078@swuts.sbc.com (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Someplace in St. Louis
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:29:02 GMT


In a previous article, cat@piggy.fgs.slb.COM ("Rather B. Fishing") says:

>
>Richard Boyko made the following comment in passing (while posting on
>something completely unrelated, sorta...):
>
>> First of all, there are
>> old fighters, and there are bold fighters, but there are no old bold
>> fighters.
>
>And the thought immediately crossed my mind (especially since practice was
>yesterday): 
>	"Hmmm, he should drop by Beaconsgate practice for the pleasure
>	 of Papa Houghton pounding _him_ into the ground..."
>
><For those of you not familiar with "Papa Houghton," he's over sixty, is
>utterly convincing as a decrepit old man in armour (until he plasters you),
>and has "Duke" prefixed to his name...>
>
>Twcs (still sore)

Speaking of old decrepit dukes, I heard a story about Duke Inman
(Ansteorra's Old Used Duke (tm)) when I was in Ansteorra:

Seems at some large tourney, some young hotshot drew Duke Inman for the
next round.  "No problem", says he, "he's just an old, used-up duke!"
Unknown to him or his friends, Inman overheard the remark.

The round progresses until the match between the hotshot and Inman.  The
kid is on the field before the herald's first call, obviously hyped-up
about showing off by wasting a Duke in front of his friends.  But no sign
of Inman.  Second call - still no Inman.  Third call - ....

"I'm comin', I'm comin', hold yer horses! (mumble, mumble) Geez, can't get
a break these days...(mumble, huff, puff)..Gettin' too old fer this
NONSENSE.."

Inman, the Old Used Duke (tm) slowly plods onto the field, obviously
struggling with the effort.

The herald calls the honors.  The kid bounces with nervous energy.  Inman
leans heavily on his sword, his shield hangs limp at his side, and looks
like he just wants to go back and sit in the shade.

The marshall calls "Lay on!"  Inman grunts with the effort of moving his
sword to his shoulder (the shield never moves).  The kids all but runs
across the field, prepared to deliver his Five Shot WhirlMaster of Death
(patent pending).  The kid closes, winds up for the first shot and...

BLAMM!!!!

The kid is now lying on the ground, completely stunned.  Never got a
chance.

Inman staggers on the field muttering, "Dumb kids..(mutter, groan)..always
the same stuff..(mutter, mutter)..Gettin too OLD for this..Gotta find an
easier way to make a living..(mutter, mutter)..."

Personally, I subscribe to the "Old Age and Treachery" school of fighting.
Especially against Old Used Dukes (tm).

Mikjal Annarbjorn
irl Michael A. Chance
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
Barony of Shattered Crystal, Midrealm
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From: michaelt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Cail mac Cuel)
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:24:33 GMT

dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark) writes:

>  One of these days I am going to hold melees where I give the true power 
>back to two-hand weapons and see what happens.  You know, a shield taking the
>second shot from a polearm is destroyed along with the arm holding it.  Two-
>hand swords cut pole shafts in twain, etc.  I think that it might be inter-
>esting for a small war to be done in that manner.

	In the last war I was at, I didn't see most of the shots that
	hit my shield, let alone what kind of weapon was used...How do
	you propose that damage could ba called in this manner when we
	don't see what we're being hit with?

>Kevin


-- 
 "Yea, though I walk through the Valley  |  michaelt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
 of Death, I will fear no Evil, for I am |       Michael D. Thompson
 at Mach 3, and accelerating."           | Cail mac Cuel, Knights Marshall,
                      former SR-71 pilot |    Barony of Namron, Ansteorra
From: vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James)
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Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:02:05 GMT
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.1

In message <9040254@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, Kevin writes:
>Open faced helm remember???

Ah...  Kevin, the kingdoms that don't allow facethrusts generally
say that we are wearing closed helms.  Atlantia was originally part
of such a kingdom, so perhaps they have facethrusts and assume some
form of face covering?  Someone from Atlantia want to comment?
Robbyan?

Kwellend-Njal


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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
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Subject: Romans!!..
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:55:18

Dear me -- we have the 9th and 12th (I think it's the 12th.. ) Legions living in Ansteorra... Duchess Jocelyn heads up the 9th, they do Roman camps at events, and fight in Roman style armor.  When last at her home I saw a duct-tape and rattan trident and a net leaning against the wall next to her standard for the Legion.  We definately have Romans, and a few Greeks.

It gets pretty hot here in the summers.  Many a cavalier or 12th c. lady turns to Greek or Roman or Middle Eastern clothing for the summer months, which can last from April to October in Ansteorra.

I wore a chiton to an event last month -- it was a little cool for a sleeveless outfit, but not uncomfortable during the day (for me--I come from the north -- others were freezing) in the evening I added a long sleeved tunica under it, and my cloak.

--Vashti of the Flaming Tresses, who likes Greek clothing for the summers....

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From: Richard.Boyko@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Boyko)
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Subject: Welsh v AngloSaxon: Joke
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:10:04 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/43 - U of S Computing Se, Saskatoon Sask


 On 04-09-92 Joe Mama wrote... 
 
Unto the Rialto does Layamon le Vavasour of Cambridge give greeting: 
Caradoc asks: 
 
 JM> My query, then, is twofold: First, do these "wars" occur in other parts 
 JM> of the Knowne World, and secondly, does anyone have some Anglo-Saxon 
 JM> (or Welsh I suppose) jokes that we could use? 
 
Yes, these wars occur in other areas of the Known World. 
Q: Why would the Celts make good Victorians? 
A: They objected to saxon violence. 
 
Q: What do you call an eleventh century saxon? 
A: Norman. 
 
Layamon le Vavasour of Cambridge, Myrgan Wood Pursuivant, An Tir. 
 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.32 * William the Conqueror- the ORIGINAL stormin norman 

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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
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Subject: Re: Spanish law in CA?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:24:13

 Fra Tadhg Liath unto Yaakov and all others unto whom these presents shall
 have come giveth greeting:
 
 YH> M'lord Sam'l, I could you please end me
 YH> some of the documentation on the use of
 YH> Spanish law in CA?

 YH> I would expect that the Constitutional
 YH> requirement of due process mandated a common
 YH> law system like everyone else.

 Constitutional due process doesn't affect it. Each state differs in both
 the time and extent to which it "received the common law" (Louisiana being
 the only state that has never done so), and typically this "reception"
 (outside of the original British possessions, which always had it) is
 colored by the pre-existing legal system. There are, for example, (if I am
 not mistaken) eleven "community property" states, all former Spanish
 possessions, in which income received by one member of a married pair is
 by law received by both, so that each have an equal share. (California is
 the most famous example of this - remember "palimony?" - but the other
 southwestern states have it as well.)

 This has had practical effect in at least one area, tax law (my cross);
 in the early days of the income tax (when rates were more steeply
 progressive) a husband in a community property state would file a return
 for only his half of his income, with his (typically non-working) wife
 doing the same for hers; they would be taxed at a much lower bracket rate,
 and their combined "hit" would be less than their unfortunate fellow
 citizens. This was challenged in the courts, and (if I am not mistaken -
 Law School was a long time ago) went all the way to the Supreme Court,
 which decided that it was legitimate, since the split wasn't a scheme by
 the taxpayer but acted by operation of law. (This is the original reason
 why we have a "married filing joint" category, with a tax rate that
 essentially attempts to duplicate this "benefit" for everybody.)

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