From: samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:56:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.180805.23713@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>Hi fellow Netters
>
>Let's not go to extremes when we analyze something.
>
>Those of us who say :" Give me proof that there were Kuwaitis raped during Iraq's
>invasion of Kuwait", please be a little bit sensitive.
>
>What proof do you want ?  A cameraman present at the time a Iraqi Soldier raped a
>Kuwaiti sister ? Even then you might ask for proof that this incident happened
>and it is not one of Hollywood's Cinema tricks.
>
Just like it is wrong to rape a "Kuwaiti sister" or any woman for that
matter,it is also very wrong to accuse a big group of people of having
committed rape. Islam has made sure that nobody can accuse anybody
randomly of anything without some proof.
It is a crime to falsly accuse anybody just like it is a crime to rape.

>Please grow up.

It is a very good indication of why our leaders can not communicate,
if we ourselves can not conduct a discussion without throwing about
words. Please tell me sir why do you think that who ever posted the
above is not a grown up,or is part of growing up is sticking to the
same line of thougts and reasoning that YOU personally have??
Please talk about issues not personalities.

>
>
>Let me tell you a story, maybe you will understand:
>
>In the local Masjid we have a Kuwaiti brother. Upon the invasion of Kuwait and
>the war between US and Iraq, several Palestinians used to harrasse that brother
>(by words). When he told them that soldiers were raping Kuwaiti women their
>answer was:
>
>"Did you see it ?", obviously not.
>
>Then after Iraq was defeated and the Kuwaiti militias gained control, Kuwaiti
>militiamen began raping palestinians. At that time the Palestinian brothers came
>and started talking about it. The kuwaiti brother was there but he didn't say
>anything, eventhough they didn't see anything.
>
>
>It is a fact that atrocities were committed, people died women were raped. Now
>should we doubt those facts then we should also doubt the facts that Muslim women
>are being raped in Bosnia by serbs (the two facts are from the same source US
>Media).
>

Please do not compare the iraqi arab/muslim army to the serbs.
Do you know who constituted the majority of iraqi army in "kuwait"??
Do you know that most of them were from "al-jeish al-sha'abi",that is
like civil militia that mostly are college and highschool graduates
with others who are basic government employees who were called to
duty?? are you also now trying to accuse all iraqi college graduates
of being murderors/rapists?? the iraqis after all are mostly muslims
and have very strong faith?? 
Do you know that in iraq rape is a capital crime punished by hanging??
and that this law is not a "baa'thist" law? and that it is part of
iraqi laws since there was any iraqi law?? 
So how can people who have been continually being raised to beleive
that rape is a capital crime,commit this crime suddenly??

Can you deny that this can be an efficeint propaganda tool??
Do you think that "al-sabbah" would not use this kind of tool.

>
>Coclusion:
>----------
>
>Any army which is not well prepared and educated about war will lout (sp?) and
>rape when they have the power, especially when they are fed everyday propaganda
>about how the enemy has robbed them of THEIR wealth and is using it to destroy
>them.

Why is it that you are willing to beleive that there is something
called STRONG "iraqi propaganda" and not the obviously more powerfull
"u.s. propaganda"??

Do you deny that there were several thousands foreign workers in
"kuwait" that hated their ex-employers and who took the chance to do
the looting,and possibly by the way raping the slave owners??
Do you know how many egyptian laborers were caught on the borders with
jordan trying to take luxury limousines,with "kuwaiti" liscence plates,
through jordan to egypt??.

Please try to do the thinking yourself,and never stop THINKING,
since this the only way any people can acheive anything.

















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