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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Aspect Ratio for 7 popular films (Laserdiscs)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.215958.16790@uts.uni-c.dk> idathon@uts.uni-c.dk (Hans O. Nymand) writes:
>In <ypq2gdl@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>
>>1. Ben-Hur			2.63:1
>
>That's a pretty extreme letterbox. How does this look in real life?

MGM Camera 65, which is 2.76:1 (so this actually isn't wide enough :-)

>>2. Star Wars			2.44:1
>
>Hmm, that's wider than it was shot (2.35:1).

Something does seem amiss here. I'm pretty sure the Star Wars transfer
was done at less than 2.4:1 (2.1 or 2.2 is more likely).

                                            -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: scrolling white lines
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.040954.10724@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> fdm@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Frank D. Malczewski) writes:
>I see more and more of what I call "scrolling white lines" on many of 
>the laserdiscs I rent, and have gone through a couple of exchanges of
>"Terminator" WS and "2001" WS to get "clean" copies.  With rental LDs,
>I have just assumed that many of them have just been abused (finger-
>prints, little scratches, etc), but with the "brand new" LDs I'm 
>beginning to wonder whether my CLD-3080 is a bit out of whack, and
>thus more susceptible to such discs than other players might be.  I
>have discs that have no scrolling white lines; until Fantasia and
>Clockwork Orange (both CLV), I did not have any.
>
>Did I just pick two discs that leave something to be desired in terms
>of overall mastering quality (I recall that there are no such lines
>in "Apocalypse Now", for example, nor on any of the CAV disks I've
>viewed)?  (By "two discs", I am referring to "Terminator" and "2001";
>I have yet to receive good copies of either of these.  "2001" scrolling
>white lines seemed to have appeared in different places (maybe one
>was in the same place, out of approx a handful per side 1/2) on the two
>different sets I've examined).

Scrolling lines will be seen only on CLV. On CAV they will be a steady
line across the screen.  On freshly opened discs they are often caused
by bits of visible dirt (e.g., pieces of plastic from somewhere).  If
still present after cleaning the disc (contact Bob Niland, rjn@fc.hp.com
for his article on care of discs) the rolling lines may be caused by
visible defects in the disc (black spots embedded in the plastic) or
even defects which are not visible.  Replacing the disc will usually
correct the problem, though if the pressing is bad you may simply find
scrolling lines in other spots.  You have to be the judge if the 
scrolling lines occur too frequently or not.  Most pressings will
have a few isolated scrolling lines.


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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: The Prisoner
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:44:39 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Dec21.080927.22067@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:

>In article <20836@acorn.co.uk> asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know how many episodes there were in total of the prisoner?
>
>                               17

If you don't count the alternative Chimes Of The Big Ben.
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From: cah32481@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cheryl A. Heinz)
Subject: Beauty & Beast WIP blow-by-blow?
Summary: Want to find the blow-by-blow summary someone made of the Beauty and
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:47:25 GMT
Keywords: Beauty,Beast,WIP

Did anyone save the extensive blow-by-blow comments someone made of the Beauty
and the Beast work in progress disc (or is that person out there?) If so, I'd
appreciate it if someone would e-mail it to me. It appeared a month or so ago,
and it's expired from the news server here. I'm trying to decided if I should 
spend some of my Christmas money on it.  Thanks.

Cheryl (cah32481@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Subject: Re: LD Player Questions
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:56:29 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.

In article <1992Dec21.182615.17315@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
> In article <18692@mindlink.bc.ca> Mike Quigley, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca
> writes:
> Sony laser disc players are made by Sony -- they are the only other company
> that makes their own laser disc players from bottom up (all others use the
> video from a pioneer player and change the audio part to their own.)  If you
> plan to get a new Sony, look for the MDP-455 which replaces the MPD-333 -- all
> the stores I've looked in still only have the old model, though.  Apparently
> it is available via mail order, though.

I have a MDP-533D and I'm very happy with it. (FYI)

> >Second, if I buy the cheap Pioneer player, which doesn't have numbers on the
> >remote control to do things like chapter, tracks, etc., and I get a remote
> >from a higher up model of the same year's vintage which DOES have these
> >numbers, will the numbers register if I use this second remote? What about
> >other features like pause in CAV, slow motion, etc.?
> 
> I can't say with certainty about this specific feature, but when I was looking
> a laser disc players I asked a salesperson about this and they took the remote
> from a Pioneer player that had one of those knob type forward/reverse controls
> and tested to see if it would work with the low end player that did not have
> one on the remote.  It did, in fact, work.  So did some other things we tried.
>  The numeric keypad should almost certainly work, but test it out -- go to a
> store that sells several Pioneer models and try it.

Yup. I tried a fancy Sony remote with numeric keypad on a plain bottom-line
Sony CD player that didn't have a music calendar or anything and it worked. I
think all manufacturers make their remotes interchangeable, makes sense really.

> Steve
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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Indiana Jones --Last Crusade
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:54:09 GMT

 Last night I watched my new lbx copy of
the third Indiana Jones (Last Crusade ?). I was very dissapointed
by the sound track. The vocals comming out the center channel are
not loud enough to be heard when other stuff is going on, even with the
center channel turned up to 100%. Also the whole sound track is
annoyingly bright. Any body have similar complaints ?

Dan Baldwin  baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Fantasia LD on sale!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:20:00 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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kfriedman@desire.wright.edu writes:
> > 
> > I still see them from time to time -- even the Collector's box.  Most retailers
> > probably had the Disney release system figured out 
> 
> Yeh...I'll bet that's the last time anyone will fall for the ol' "available
> only for a limited time" sales ploy!!!
> 
> 	Jay

It makes the "Little Mermaid" LD and video shortage a bit of a surprise.

I understand releasing movies every 7 years, since the theaters need a
critical mass ... but I would think Disney LD's and videos would be a 
source of steady income.

Judy
From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: A Christmas Carol (Alastair Sim) [was Re: a laser christmas]
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:32:40 GMT
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In article <1992Dec20.222301.23036@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer) writes:
>From: hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer)
>Subject: A Christmas Carol (Alastair Sim) [was Re: a laser christmas]
>Date: 21 Dec 92 03:23:01 GMT
>>     Yesterday I picked up the laserdisc version of what may be the
>> greatest Christmas movie of all: A CHRISTMAS CAROL, starring Alastair
>> Sim as Ebenezer Scrooge. ...
>>
I purchased the Sim X-Mas Carol last year and returned it.  The print was 
not great (as mentioned previously.)  Even more of a defect was the audio.  
It sounds as though Dolby units were switched in the audio chain during the 
transfer even though the audio was not Dolby encoded.  This led to serious 
pumping and significant level discrepencies (big time gating.)  This 
happened with the original LD and tape issue of "Ghostbusters" (one channel 
decoded the other not causing bizaare image shifting.)  The LD version 
of "Days of Heaven" also suffered from NR decoding problems similar to 
Christmas Carol.  Anyway, I purchased the VHS Sim Christmas Carol which is 
probably as good as you are going to get for quite some time (it's cheaper, 
too.)

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From: Stephen Jonke <jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: aspect ratios
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In article <1992Dec22.185453.9577@nosc.mil> Mike Randle, randle@nosc.mil
writes:
>During TNT's recent letterbox Sunday, Coppola was interviewed about
>letterboxing.  He stated that he always shot his films at Academy
>ratio so that they would not be butchered on TV.  I got the impression
>that if letterboxing were the norm, he would shoot films widescreen.

So he makes "made for TV" movies?  If what you are saying is true then his
films are cropped in the theater and never should have been released in them.

Steve
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From: Paco Ojeda <ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Laser Wonderland in Japan
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:57:11 GMT
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A friend of mine just came back from a trip to Japan. Both of us are very
fond of jazz music, and his awareness of laserdisc didn't go beyond a
couple of casual sittings in my apartment. So I sent him on a "mission"
looking for music-oriented laserdiscs that might exist in Japan but not
in the US. Much to my surprise, he came back with jewels such as:

*Live shows (rare footage) by Ella Fitzgerald, Sara Vaughn and Nancy
Wilson
*An 8-disk boxed set featuring all of Nat King Cole's TV shows (and his
numerous musical guests)
*Music videos by Swing Out Sister, from an album that was just released
last year

*1941, a movie by Spielberg that, for some strange reason, was never
released on disc in the US (and a very funny one!).

My friend told me of all the many different discs he found, and yet,
musical releases are somewhat limited in the US in comparison. This is
quite surprising, considering that discs are more expensive in Japan than
in the US.

So what can we do as "hooked" laserdiscs consumers? Who can we write to
increase laserdisc distribution in the US, particularly when it comes to
music?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Paco

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: aspect ratios
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:23:54 GMT

In article <23DEC199214244619@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>, glk9533@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach) writes:
> 
[Coppola shoots his films at Academy ratio]
> Maybe Coppola meant that he "frames" most of the action in a 4:3 area and the
> extraneuous info outside of this 4:3 area is "unimportant."

I'd like to believe he frames his shots at 1.85:1 (or whatever),
but makes sure the area between this and 4:3 is clear.

Then again, I didn't see the interview.
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From: lfs@mitre.org (Lyman F. Sheats Jr.)
Subject: Sight & Sound and Out Of State Shipping
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:40:35 GMT

Hi.

I wanted to know, for all of you who receive the Sight and Sound catalog
and order from it out of state, what's the typical delay for the receipt
of the discs you order?  I'm used to picking up the discs I order at the
retail store in Waltham, MA (I live two towns away), but I'll be leaving
the ever-wonderful state of MA very soon and wanted to know how prompt/
reliable S&S is about getting the discs to out-of-staters after they come
in.  Are we talking about a couple of days or a couple of weeks here?

Thanks in advance.

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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:58:47 GMT
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research

In article <22DEC199223003412@loyola.edu>, mglicksman@loyola.edu (Michael `SLAM' Glicksman) writes:
|> 
|> 	Has a wide-screen version of Patriot Games been released on LaserDisc
|> in the U.S.? I've had no luck finding it around Baltimore.
|> 
|> 

Yes it has, I have a copy which I purchased locally, I cant remember
the price exactly, but it seems it was ~$35 or so. The video is pretty
sharp (good transfer), the audio portion did not seem too good--  Anybody
else notice poor audio ?

Dan Baldwin   baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: SOLARIS on LD - Need Help Finding
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:44:59 GMT

In article <5387@calmasd.Prime.COM> jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
><>wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
><> 
><>> If anyone sees an extra copy of SOLARIS in a local laserdisc store

>	Have you received my e-mail last Friday?  I gave you two phone
>numbers of stores that still have it in stock (one disc in each).

Thanks to all who responded.  I have located a copy of SOLARIS and
it is on its way to me.  Santa Claus is alive and well in San Jose.

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From: jayj@fc.hp.com (Jay Johannes (Lvld))
Subject: Re: Laser Wonderland in Japan
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:12:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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Paco Ojeda (ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote:

: *1941, a movie by Spielberg that, for some strange reason, was never
: released on disc in the US (and a very funny one!).
Almost.  I have this on disc as an early CAV Discovision Release.

: 
: My friend told me of all the many different discs he found, and yet,
: musical releases are somewhat limited in the US in comparison. This is
: quite surprising, considering that discs are more expensive in Japan than
: in the US.
Huh? I visited Japan about 18 months ago, and my experience was that
prices there were comparable to slightly lower. They tended to have a
second release of titles at a lower price. I also found nice sets of
musical releases which never made the US, including collections of '60s
rock videos, The Concert for Bengla Desh, a Newport Jazz festival disc,
etc. Also some wonderful autosport discs including F1 and World Rally
Cup. 

: 
: So what can we do as "hooked" laserdiscs consumers? Who can we write to
: increase laserdisc distribution in the US, particularly when it comes to
: music?
I would suggest you find one of the stores which has a Japaneese
Connection and ask them to import some titles in your interest areas.
These stores are currently importing Disney, anime and action movies which
are not available here. I expect that they would be very willing to
import to your specs if you promise to buy what they get. The warning is
that the price tends to double as it goes through the process. Discs I
saw over there for 4800 yen, were selling here for $80-$100. (exchange
rate was about 135 then).

  Jay
From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Aspect Ratio for 7 popular films (Laserdiscs)
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:32:05 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.215958.16790@uts.uni-c.dk> Hans O. Nymand,
idathon@uts.uni-c.dk writes:
>You say your TV is a ratio 1.375:1. I thought TV's generally was 1.33:1.

1.375:1 is Academy ratio.  TV screens are 1.33:1.

You can't accurately measure a letterboxed movies aspect ratio on a TV screen
because of at least three reasons:

- overscanning.  Most TVs crop all four sides of the image pretty badly --
even if you adjust your TV to show all of the "safe area" it is still cropped
when you talk about the raw image as a whole and tapes/discs go well beyond
this area.  At least on my TV set it is not possible to completely rid the
thing of overscanning -- they image starts getting really screwed up at the
extreme edges.
 
- distortion.  No tube TV is distortion free.  If you display a hatch pattern
on a tube TV, the width of the "squares" will be different at the center of
the screen then it is at the edges.

- transfer accuracy.  At least in a few cases movies have been transfered at
the wrong ratio, especially tending to not give the full width.  Apocolypse
Now is one such example.

Steve
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: aspect ratios
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:29:00 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

JLJ>I'm not sure about the _Godfather_ films, but the 70mm prints of
JLJ>_One From The Heart_ have an aspect ratio of 1.37, the Academy ratio.
JLJ>The 70mm prints of the recent reissue of _Fantasia_ are also 1.37.

The letterboxed laserdisc of TUCKER: THE MAN AND HIS DREAM (which,
IMHO, is the best movie Coppola made in the 1980s), is in the full
Panavision ratio of 2.35:1.  Between the movie and the disc, it's well
worth the $35 price.
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From: paul@pubnet.com (Paul Telles)
Subject: Re: Mini Disc Review
Organization: PUBNET Communications Services
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 06:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.094856.13320@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>In article <5407@calmasd.Prime.COM> jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.185732.8310@pubnet.com> paul@pubnet.com (Paul Telles) writes:
>><
>><The Rocky Horror Picture Show, R, Stereo, 1992, FoxVideo, Released Dec. 23
>><
>><Excellent video transfer.  The disc is not LBX.  Not that it matters, I
>><believe it was originally shot at academy ratio...can someone clarify
>><this?  The digital audio is of the same quality as the CD soundtrack.
>
>I would not call the transfer excellent.  Perhaps average.  Noise is low
>but the colors are wrong and overblown and slightly smeared.  Sound is
>harsh in either analog or digital.  Oh, but it is so much better than the
>tape, perhaps I shouldn't quibble.

Average for LDs in general, yes.  Excellent for RHPS.  As for the color,
I watched it off a Sony MDP-333, which IMHO, has a superior comb filter
and the Y/C output is second to none.  Your mileage may vary.

				--Paul
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From: randle@nosc.mil (Mike Randle)
Subject: Re: aspect ratios
Summary: Godfather Aspect Ratios
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:54:53 GMT
Expires: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.2021.1857@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
>CLI>Does anyone know the aspect ratios of:
>CLI>-Do The Right Thing
>CLI>-Godfather I
>CLI>-Godfather II
>
>Not sure about the first one, but I remember reading that Francis Ford
>Coppola deliberately filmed the first two GODFATHER movies in the old
>Academy aspect ratio of 1.33:1.  
>
>A couple of people I know have disagreed with me on this, so I'm not
>sure if this is true or not.
>
During TNT's recent letterbox Sunday, Coppola was interviewed about
letterboxing.  He stated that he always shot his films at Academy
ratio so that they would not be butchered on TV.  I got the impression
that if letterboxing were the norm, he would shoot films widescreen.

Mike Randle

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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Casablanca LBX by Lucas/THX
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:45:50 GMT

In article <b4hr60c@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>
>> ...At two spots near the end they showed clips from CASABLANCA on the
>> big, wide screen.  Aspect ratio 2.1:1 (I measured it)    !!!!!!!!! 
>
>Which dovetails nicely into a blurb in the current 'Premiere' (January
>'93, p.89) which claims that the new CBS/Fox series of Chaplin rereleases
>is letterboxed.  They'd damn well better mean *window*boxed . . . 

They do.  At least MODERN TIMES is WINDOWboxed approximately in the
'safe title' area of the outer white box shown on many Criterion color
bars.

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