From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history,soc.culture.turkish
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Subject: Nazi Germans learned "it" from the fascist Armenians, "Visserian".
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:17:20 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <visser.727775069@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	The problem is that if nobody pays attention or makes an effort
>to show his material and tactics for what they are, there may be people
>taken in by it.  

Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, 
the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated 
in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion
and national origin? Poor "visserian".

1) Did Armenians slaughter 62% of Muslim population of Van?
2) Did Armenians slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis?
3) Did Armenians slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum?
4) Did Armenians slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir?
5) Did Armenians slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz?
6) Did Armenians slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas?
7) Did Armenians slaughter the entire Muslim population of the Armenian
   Dictatorship?

There is only one answer to questions 1-7. And that is a resounding 
'yes.'[1,2,3] 

[1] J. McCarthy, "Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison and Antidote," 1984.
[2] K. Karpat, "Ottoman Population 1830-1914," The Univ. of Wisconsin Press,
    1985.
[3] R. Hovannisian, "Armenia On The Road To Independence," 1967, p. 37.


Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952). 
(Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 
 million Muslim people)

p. 363 (first paragraph). 

 'How many people lived there?'
 'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
 'Did you see any Turk officers?'
 'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

 "The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me - 
 Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
 so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into 
 laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
 of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
 Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
 have been.

 From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
 The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
 the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last 
 scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, 
 looms, even spinning-wheels.

 'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must 
 leave.'...We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And 
 for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. 
 Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in 
 a sack of other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"

p. 354.

"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
 high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
 but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
 of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
 Moslem villages."

p. 358.

"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three
 sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov
said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.
"That is for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror that
 our cruelty beats theirs."
"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)


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