HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka)
Subject: Re: copy protection/licensing solution?
Organization: Nasa-Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:38:19 GMT

In article <D88-JWA.92Aug13233954@dront.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
>@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
>
>   If the company goes out of business, the program will expire itself with no
>   recourse.  If the program keeps my data in a proprietary format, I could lose
>   my data.  Why should it be necessary to pay for an unnecessary service?  I
>
>Excuse me, I think pay-for-use is JUST the way to go, just
>like radio stations when airing songs. Of course you would
>buy the software even if you have to pay every year:
>
>Let's say your WP costs $300. Then, since the WP manufacturer
>plays a lot of "clever" tricks, it breaks every 2 years, and
>you need to upgrade, at $100 a pop. What's different in
>paying $100, yearly, instead ? Table it:
>
>Year	Cost	Cost
>1	300	100
>2	300	200
>3	400	300
>4	400	400
>5	500	500
>6	500	600
>7	600	700
>8	600	800
>
>As you see, the initial cost is really cheap, and it's not
>unti lyear 6 that the other path is cheaper; however, that's
>not counting interest, and if you don't like the product
>after the first year, you're out $100 instead of $300.

Speaking from experience, this type of thing does not work!  We bought a
software package that will remain unnamed - it had a schedule like the
one you suggest.  The initial cost was not the same as the 2-8 year as
you say, more like there was an install cost  ($6000) and a per year cost
($2500).  The overall cost of the program was prorated over the program
life (approx  5 years) and it was decided that it would be worth the
cost ($3200 or $266/month).  However, the software company went bankrupt after
about 8 months.  We were stuck with software that a) no longer worked.
B) had proprietary data that could not be retrieved.  c) had paid
$750/month (3 times what we expected to pay.)

Now, suffice it to say that this wouldn't happen to most companies, and
that its a quirk of business, but its not the greatest feeling when you
think of all the money and time you've wasted.  (Not to mention the loss
of important data.)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: btoback@netcom.com (Bruce Toback)
Subject: Re: WHERE IS DEPTHKEY ?????
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:26:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I haven't seen DepthKey. Have you tried Switch-a-Roo? It sounds like
it does the same thing: switching between two configurable screen 
depths on any given monitor. I can send it if you can't find a copy
locally.

-- Bruce Toback
From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Optional blank line in Word 4.0 labels.
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:32:49 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <57299@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, 
	jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
> Hi, one of the ladies at work asked me to yell for help.
> 
> She's printing labels with either 5 or 6 lines depending on the presence of 
> an organization name.  She can remove the empty line with an if-endif statement,
> but this doesn't add a blank line after the address to keep them properly
> spaced on the labels when printed.
> 
> If anyone know the proper why to say "if there is only five lines in the 
> address, add an extra carriage return at the end of the address" please let me
> know.
> 
Have a similar if then else at the end only this time it puts a <return>
in if the field is empty.
if fred then fred end if
..other fields
if fred then (nothing) else <return> end if

of course the the best way I've found in relation to maintaining the spacing
betwee labels (not covering empty fields) is to have the template a table.
You can then specify a minimum size for each cell. As long as your address
fields stay under this it doesn't matter if they are missing some lines. The
vertical spacing is preserved.

James
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for schematic drawing application
From: jenner@post.ntu.edu.au (Bob Jenner)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:40:20 +0900
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

In article <1992Aug12.185628.7051@athena.mit.edu>, boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin
Boyce) wrote:
> 
> I want a simple schematic drawing program, which will automatically
> stretch connections as you move components, ties labels to components,
> comes with a decent component library, allows adding PICTs to the
> library, etc.  Preferably in the $100-200 range, or PD if there is
> one.  

"logicWorks" meets all those criteria. It is available from Capilano
Computing, Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6B 2S2. I fell in love with this program
some years ago. Oh btw full digital simulation comes with it :-)
> OR
> 
> A complete package including schematic drawing and analog simulation
> (PC layout not necessary, but maybe unavoidable?).  This is going to
> be major bucks, I assume.  Under $1K would be nice in this category.
My guess would be add a zero.
> Kevin		boyce@amo.mit.edu
> "I will do whatever I have to to get reelected."  --G.H.W.Bush


Cheers
Bob Jenner
Northern Territory University
Darwin, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: holzman@sequent.com (Alan Holzman)
Subject: Re: Money Management Program Wanted
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:09:13 GMT

In comp.sys.mac.apps you write:
 
>In article <3996@moscom.UUCP> Troy Shouse, tds@moscom.UUCP writes:
>>names of software programs both shareware and for purchase that are
>>good for simple accounting and money management before she goes broke.
>>
>>She said she has called the local distributors and software stores
>>who essentially told her to get an IBM. Please help. Surely there
>>must be something.
 
>Well, you can forget about buying the IBM.  It's not necessary.  I
>just bought "Managing Your Money 5.0" from MacConnection for $32.
>Granted, it's not shareware, but it's inexpensive and from what I've
>seen so far it seems easy to use and should be able to do anything
>you'd want a personal finance program to do.  I'd recommend it.
 
Consider Quicken 3.0 for the MAC. Easy to use, simple yet powerful. Runs
well on older, small memory machines too. HIGHLY recommended !
 

-- 
Alan Holzman					Phone =	(503) 578-5184
Operating Systems Product Line Manager		FAX = (503) 578-9890 
Sequent Computer Systems Inc.   MS=DES2-704	Internet = holzman@sequent.com
15450 SW Koll Pkwy,  Beaverton, OR. 97006       UUCP = ...!sequent!holzman 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle)
Subject: macro pkgs under Sys7: req for info
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:53:58 GMT


I need a macro package that:

--Runs great under System 7 (currently using Macro Maker, which doesn't
  run)
--runs RELIABLY under 7 (M.M. likes to drop characters and mouse events)
--runs with Global Village's FAXing software to envelope and schedule
  FAXes every week

G.V. hasn't any information on these subjects; I had to assemble my own
macros (is that macrame?) for the application.  The customer'd like to
upgrade to 7, and can't...

		Thank you in advance for information,
			Alex
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		Also: Workman & Associates, Data recovery for PCs, Macs, others
		...elroy!grian!alex; BIX: alex; voice: (818) 791-7979
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From: dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: WORD 5 Problems on PowerBook 170
Date: 17 Aug 1992 15:05:19 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

In article <keithb-140892150128@powderkeg.advtech.uswest.com> keithb@advtech.uswest.com (Keith Bechard) writes:
>WORD consistently crashes when I invoke the Picture tool.
>
Have you checked the memory allocation assigned to Word? Assuming
you are running System 7 (or 6 with multifinder), Word should have
more memory than 2000 when you attempt to use one of the plug-in
modules like picture, grammar, equation editor, etc. This is
especially important with a large drawing. Keep increasing the
memory allocation until you don't get a crash, you might have to go
above 2500-3000.
>
>The other problem I have is that WORD writes multiple WORD Settings(5)
>files.
>That is, I find copies of this file in many different directories. 

The first thing to try is to trash the settings file (you may
have to trash all you can find, but the essential one should be the
one in the preferences folder (Sys 7) or system folder (6). If that
doesn't work, open the commands... dialog and click "reset" and
then "save as" and make sure the settings file is being saved in
the right place. Perhaps you have some utility like Boomerang or
DefaultD that is confusing word when it saves the settings?
-- 
Dana E. Keil           Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU                 University of California, Berkeley
From: ICH530@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Conversion of CGM graphics files?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:59:50 GMT
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

Is there any graphics application on the Mac that can read CGM graphics
metafiles?  Or is there a translation/conversion routine to put the file
into a format that MacDraw (something like that) can use?

I am working with a mapping package (Zycor Zmap+) on a Sun SparcStation which
produces CGM metafiles for hardcopy.  People tell me CGM is a common metafile
format used by many workstations and mainframes.  My colleagues even use
those files on the PC (ugh :-)).  I want to be able to look them straight
in the face and say 'I can do that too on the Mac'.

Can anybody help?  Thanks.

Harald S. Poelchau
Forschungszentrum Juelich (KFA)
Germany
From: wright@aelle.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Comments on Miracle Piano teaching system
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:32:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: usa
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

In article <56961@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dckim@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:

	   Hello everybody....

	     Has anyone used Miracle, one of those piano teaching system, for
	     Macintosh. I am thinking of getting me one but I would like
	     to hear other comments of it.


Sure!  Invest your money into a private piano teacher if you want to
learn how to play the piano.  I love electronic music as much as
the next guy, but it is absurd to believe that a simple music
software program can answer a user's every need!!!!

Electronic music should supplement musical activities, not supplant!!!

[I say these things without ever seeing Miracle Piano.]

Wright
Director, Computer Composition & Music Education Research Lab
Governor's School for the Arts
Old Dominion University
Norfolk, VA
wright@cs.odu.edu
music@cs.odu.edu
rwright@norfolk.vak12ed.edu
From: hunter@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Hunter Scales)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Where to find Flowfazer ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:30:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

Hi:
Does anyone know where to find Flowfazer?  I know it is commercial
but I cant seem to find anyone that carries it.


-- 
Motorola Semiconductor Inc.             Hunter Scales
Austin, Texas                           hunter@prometheus.sps.mot.com
#include <disclaimer.h>
From: carlson@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (joe carlson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Snooper?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:21:14 GMT
Organization: Alphanumeric


   Has anyone used a new program called snooper, or do you know anything
about it?  how well does it work?  Are there any other prog.'s like this that 
also work well?  And, as long as I'm asking dumb ?'s, here's a few more:
What's the capital of Norway?  What's the largest lake in Africa?  Who killed
John Wilkes Booth? (sp)...

   If you can help, mail or post please.

																Thanx in advance,

																								jOe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding)
Subject: Sys 7 versions of sys 6 apps?
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:58:38 GMT

I'm still running sys 6.0.7 on my IIcx at work (MIS hasn't made the move
yet!) but my new Powerbook is running 7.
Does anyone know of updates/replacements for a couple of apps that I use
under 6.0.7 ?
One is INITPicker (for selecting and changing the order of init loading
at boot time), the other is Launch (an icon dock for launching progs).

Thanks
TOny.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: walton@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu (Sam Walton)
Subject: What version of Stuffit works with Runtime
Summary: Stuffit won't unstuff
Organization: Georgia College - Milledgeville, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:39:06 GMT

Greetings,

I ftp'd the shareware version of Runtime from U Kans and my copy of 
Stuffit Deluxe 2.01 won't unstuff it saying it probably needs a newer 
version of Stuffit.

I thought until Stuffit 3.0 came out, I had the latest version.

Please educate me, preferably by e-mail. No extra net traffic.

thanx, sam walton
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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Extension to inhibit superimposition of startup icons?
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:42:10 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David L. Berk) writes:

>Hi,

>I know there must be something out there that will cause the startup
>icons on my humble 9-inch SE screen to begin a new row of marching icons
>*above* the initial row to avoid the superimposing of icons.

>Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

It's called IconWrap. I just looked at Sumex and couldn't find it. Use archie
and if you can't find it, mail me and I'll send you a copy.


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: agoodrid@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Stephen Klautky)
Subject: Default font change in miniWRITER?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:11:00 GMT


Hi,

How do I change the default font of miniWRITER 1.73 to Monaco 9pt ?
This mono-spaced font is much more useful to us than the default font
in miniWRITER.  It gets annoying changing the font every time I
launch it.

miniWRITER for those that don't know is a small word processing
application that was formerly a DA under Sys6.

Thanks,

-=] Steve [=-         AGOODRID@VAXA.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Where is MacX ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 02:00:59 GMT
Keywords: MacX

gan@sample-o.eng.ohio-state.edu  writes:
>I am wondering if there is any ftp sites that has MacX (preferably version 1.1.7).
>I tried "archie MacX" on my site but nothing was found. Could it be called
>differently ? Thanks in advance for any response/comments.

MacX is not free software ... it is a commercial product from Apple.
(I would check, however, to see if Ohio State has a site license for MacX;
a number of schools, including Illinois, have some sort of agreement with
Apple for MacX.)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: iota@agora.uucp (David Friedman)
Subject: Quark and networks
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:06:46 GMT

I would like users' opinions on Quark and networks.  I recently networked our 
two Macs to a LaserWriter and therefore connected them to each other.  I have
the same copy of Quark on each machine and when one is opened you can't open
the other copy, even if it is one a different hard disk.  It reads the serial
number and tells you that you can't use the program.  I called about a site
license but Quark told me that I have to buy a copy for each machine.
What do you think about this?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: After Dark Hack Wanted
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:10:46 GMT


Okay, I hope someone out there has tried this before and has a 
hack for this probably obscure request...

I have the "Say What?" module that displays random quotes, and I want
to print out the quotes that it has.  I found where they are stored
with ResEdit, but still, I found no way to print them out.

Anybody have  a hack?
-- 

David G. Simmons	"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a
davids@lanl.gov		meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and
			add drama to an otherwise dull day."
						-Calvin
If I said it, LANL didn't..."If you weren't such a muttonhead, you might have 
thought of it yourself!" (Calvin, again...)

-- 

David G. Simmons	"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a
davids@lanl.gov		meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and
			add drama to an otherwise dull day."
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Typing Tutor for the mac?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:03:38 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Aug17.154021.28324@hubcap.clemson.edu> dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (william a dowling) writes:
>Does anybody know of a typing tutor  program ie. a program that teaches you to 
>type?  Something that stpes you through keylayouts and stuff like that.
>I really need one for a plus running 6.0.4 but wiould be interested anything
>you can think of (just give me a reason to make her upgrade) !:*)
>Thanks to the net agian.
>-- 

Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing is a pretty good typing tutor program, although
it's tailored more for kids. But it has standard typing exercises as well as
exercises which are little more innovative.

h.
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Typing Tutor for the mac?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:10:11 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

A whole bunch of these were reviewed in a recent Macworld.

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From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: RE: stuffit bug, email address?
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:27:28 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

drew@netcom.com (Drew Wade) writes:

DW> if you have autodoubler installed, stuffit deluxe 2.0 and 
DW> stuffit expander 1.0.1 fail with disk error -50.

If you can, check for a third component to that interaction.  I've not seen
the problem w/StuffIt Expander at all.

--Adam--
 
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From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Mounting DOS floppies
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:58:43 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Wed Aug 19 14:58:38 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

You're not going to find something to do this short of a hardware solution.
The ROMs in your Mac Plus only support 400 and 800K disks, and all the inits
and stuff expect you to have a FDHD drive.
King
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: timw@county.lmt.mn.org (Timothy Wright)
Subject: Re: SendPS problems with System 7?
Reply-To: timw@county.lmt.mn.org (Timothy Wright)
Organization: Lasermaster R&D., Minneapolis, MN USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 23:47:18 GMT

 (Michael Feldman) writes:
>I'm a new System 7 user and seem to be having problems with SendPS,
>which I use frequently to dump ASCII files to my printer. SendPS
>2.0 seems to run OK but has trouble retrieving the name of the
>printer from the LaserWriter driver. Any thoughts on this?
>

SendPS 2.0 expects to see a LaserWriter driver loose in the System Folder
 (The System 7 installer puts it in the  Extensions Folder).   Try moving the
LaserWriter driver out of the Extensions Folder to the System Folder (make
 sure its called "LaserWriter").

You might want to leave an alias or a copy of the LaserWriter driver in the
Extensions Folder, but I have never personally encountered a situation where it
has to be there.

---------------------------
TimW
 timw@county.lmt.mn.org


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: earl@cognet.ucla.edu (Earl Williams)
Subject: MS Excel Macros Sources/UserGroups?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Program
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:13:50 GMT

Hello all,

I would very much appreciate any information anyone might have regarding
e-mail/snail-mail mailing lists, user groups, programming groups, software
clearinghouses, FTP sites, etc. for Microsoft Excel macros (the programming
language).

Thanks very much,
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earl@cognet.ucla.edu           -Buckaroo Banzai (among others)