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From: thomas@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Kevin Thomas)
Subject: Airline Tickets FOR SALE: DFW <-> Key West
Followup-To: thomas@asl.dl.nec.com
Summary: Round-trip tickets Dallas-KeyWest
Keywords: tickets (2), for sale, Dallas, Key West, redundancy
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:17:15 GMT

FOR SALE:
--------

TWO round-trip tickets DFW <-> Key West, Florida

American Airlines

Departure:  
  18 Aug 1992
    DFW   -> Miami    Miami -> Key West
    8:15am   12:14pm  1:40pm   2:35pm
    #614              #5653
    (AA commuter to Miami->Key West)

Return:
  24 Aug 1992
    Key West -> Miami    Miami -> DFW
    9:30am      10:15am  1:12pm   3:08pm
    #5650                #425
    (AA commuter to Key West->Miami)

Date/Times can be changed for $25/ticket.
Tickets can be used anytime up until 13 Sept 1992.

Price: $325 (for PAIR)

If you have any questions or are interested, please e-mail
to "thomas@asl.dl.nec.com" or call (214) 518-5254 [ Work, 9am-6pm  ]
				   (214) 401-1059 [ Home, 6pm-11pm ]

Thank You,
Kevin

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Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3491 rec.aviation:12390
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:18:49 GMT

booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) wrote: 
->>E.g., in article <1992Jul20.235321.27814@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->>>
->>>children who aren't old enough to behave in public places shouldn't
->>>travel.  
->>>
->>Would you be so kind to define it? What does it really mean - to behave
->>properly?
->
->No crying, screaming, shouting, running up and down the aisles or
->"visiting" people who don't want to be visited. Playing peek-a-boo
->with a perky toddler in the seat in front of me is fun. Listening
->to a kid scream its lungs out because the waitre....er..stewardess
->does not have Hershey kisses or some other special treat is enough
->to make me look for Valium or a parachute.

bless you, booter.  you're a total babe.  you've hit the nail on the
head with this description.  why this needs to be described is totally
beyond me, though ...

->>Meanwhile, I vote for "+kids" compartment. Some toys and some cartoons for
->>the same price... well, I'm ready to sacrifice my beer and my movies to
->>make this dream real :) :)
->
->Me, too. I wish they could designate a special area for families. The kids
->can all talk to each other and make new friends, there would be kiddie
->books and toys around and people who get stressed out from travel (like me)
->could get peace and quiet). They give out decks of cards on some flights.
->I don't see why they cannot give out crayolas and paper to kids.

exactly (although i have seen some <us-based> airlines schlep out the
crayolas and airline-specific coloring books ... )

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:35:31 GMT
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <1992Jul22.193416.27423@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>
>what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
>about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
>since apparently the 2 airlines are going to share a common name.
>hopefully, the accumulated mileage will still be respected.

Look, folks.  The airlines have been squirming about frequent flyer
miles for some time now; the cost of maintaining these programs is
something I'm sure they'd rather do without.  As carriers merge or
go out of business, do you really think FF programs are going to
survive?  Why does an airline need a FF program if it has only a few
competitors?

I'm convinced the way to treat FF miles is as if they are perishable.
American expires miles after three years, but who's to say they won't
end the AAdvantage program at any time?  American tells you up front
that it has the option to terminate the program with a measly six
months' notice.  Moral: accumulate those miles if you want, but don't
assume they'll be around forever or even a year from now for you to
use.

(And yeah, I paid the $50 fee for a Citibank American AAdvantage
 MasterCard, and yeah, I charge *everything*. :-)

Charleen


--
This is, without question, the single most idiotic, bogus, selective, and
mendacious piece of pseudo-scholarship that I have read this week.  As I have
read two Andrea Dworkin essays this week, that's saying a lot.  -- Eric Pepke
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim)
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:17:52 GMT

One problem I can forsee from all your suggestions. Normally, you have to check
in your check-in lugguage before you go to the boarding gate. What if you get
bumped and the your bugguage didn't ? How to ensure that your check-in lugguage
travel on the alternate flight as you ?

cheeky
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Shuttles
Keywords: Delta, USAir, Shuttle
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:56:11 GMT

To all you users out there who ride the shuttle (Delta, USAir) on the east 
coast and who also use multiple youth fares/jet packs:

Be warned that the prices on the 5 and 10 packs are going up.  USAir has
apparently already raised the 10-pack by $50 to $499, similarly, fares
have also increased on the 5-pack.

Delta says they will follow starting 1st August.
:) 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: Bumpy Ride (was: Best Airlines)
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:35:33 GMT

In article <KMEYER.92Jul27124310@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig  
R. Meyer) writes:
> On 22 Jul 92 23:01:40 GMT, sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)  
said:
> > However, a pilot who flies airliners for Northwest Airlines told me
> > that just how much turbulence is acceptable is a policy that varies
> > from airline to airline.  (Obvious reason: flying around turbulence
> > wastes fuel.)  He even said that on occasions where NorthWest policy
> > stipulated avoiding turbulence, planes from USAir just flew right
> > through it.
> 
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  If so, does anyone know what some
> > of the turbulence acceptability policies are among the major airlines?
> 
> During the gulf war, when airfares were cheap and flights were
> relatively empty, there were newspaper articles that stated "flying
> through turbulence" (rather than around it) is one way that airlines
> would save fuel & money.  None of the articles ever seemed to mention
> an industry source for this statement, so I have no idea if it is 
> true or not.
> 
In the latest issue of FLYING, the pro "column" had a story about decision  
making in poor weather situations. He stated that go/no go decisions about  
whether to take off in poor weather is in part dictated by the type of  
aircraft being used. Larger craft would take off through inclimate weather  
while smaller craft would wait it out.

In my experience, this is true. Atlanta to Frankfurt, Lufthansa. Bad  
weather. Heavy downpours. Typical southern weather :-). While other  
flights were being delayed, our 747-equiped flight left on-time. During  
the position-and-hold, I noticed that most of the planes out on the field  
were wide-body. I didn't think much of it at the time, though. It seems  
logical, given this article, which I would give a degree of credibility.
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From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Keywords: flying fear boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.010632.15477@chpc.utexas.edu> jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg) writes:
>It's true, the 757 and 767 have only 2 engines.  (And they even fly
>767s on Austraila <--> USA nonstop legs, which is a lot farther than
>crossing the Atlantic.)

Really?  Can you point out a single case of an airline flying
767s between Australia and the U.S.?

Paulo Santos
pas@cc.gatech.edu
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Distance Phone and FF Miles (was Looking for an AT&T)
Keywords: Why bother?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:02:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Jul30.201911.27783@u.washington.edu> ihateuw@u.washington.edu (David Wong) writes:
>
>	But is it actually worth anything to your frequent flier account to  
>bother with a phone company? I mean, say you spend $100 a month on your phone  
>bill.  If that works out to 500 miles a month, you still have to spend that  
>amount monthly for three and a half years to get a free ticket!  I suppose if  
>you find it worth it to rack up a four-thousand dollar phone bill to get a  
>"free" ticket, but I've had other hassles anyway. I changed to MCI just to get

Of course I dont expect to spend $4000 on phone bills any time soon.  Neither
to I expect to spend $20000 charging away on my Citibank/AA.  But the point
is, I do use a credit card and I do make phone calls.  I might as well get
rewarded for doing something I normally do.  Does it make a difference?
Yes.  Being a college student, my roommate and I rack up about $120+ a month
in MCI long distance.  That's 600 miles per month to my Northwest account.
In March, I took my last trip on Northwest.  Without the MCI miles this
year, I managed to accumulate 134,000.  With the extra 6000 miles over the
last 10 months, my account has peaked at 140,000.  Thats 14 fly write tickets.
Without the 6000 miles, I would have had to fly to CA twice or to Europe once
to get the same miles.  For me, who's leaving for Asia next month, that means
I have 14 instead of 12 fly writes to use.  And with Northwest having an
Asian hub in Tokyo, it makes a big difference $$$.

As a side note, my friend's family is thinking of switching to MCI just for
the miles.  The parents call Italy and Poland frequently, and they have 2
children away at college, one in Boston and one in Rochester, NY.  Their
long distance bill averages about $250-$300/month.  At least they should
get something for their calls.  At 1500 FF pts per month, they will have

--Ken
From: sdb@redbeard.physics.fsu.edu (Scott D. Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:19:17 GMT
Organization: Florida State University

The latest issue of Florida Trend (a Florida business mag) says that Richard
Branson(m?) of Virgin Atlantic Records/Airline is going to start a new
service between Orlando, FL and Key West, FL using DC-3's, crews in period
uniforms, and even a Labrador (dog) on each flight.  $198 for round trip.


Scott D. Berry    Assistant Professor of Physics    Florida State University
315 Keen Bldg, B-159, Tallahassee, FL 32306-3016    (904) 644-1218
INTERNET:   berry@redbeard.physics.fsu.edu    BITNET:   berry@fsu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.043150.19572@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes:
>>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>The 767  is one of  the safest  airplanes  in the  sky.   True,  it is
>smaller than a 747, but it is still a rather large  plane.  It has two
>aisles, and a 2-3-2 configuration on most airlines.  I would not worry
>about it's having only two  engines.  The FAA has strict certification
>rules which the 767 has passed.  Among other things, the airplane must
>be able to complete  rotation and take off  with  one engine out.  
>
>Don't worry about it,
>				reb
>
Except that about a year ago or so a 767 dissintegrated over Thailand
due to a thrust reverser that went off in mid air during a power
climb. Not that having fewer engines makes this any more harmful, but
it does reflect the fact that this is a newer plane and not designed
from the ground up with its own components like the new Airbuses.

Stefan

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Two roundtrip airline tickets forsale
Keywords: Newark -> San Francisco -> Newark
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:57:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.123551.23338@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rravi@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ramesh.ravi) writes:
>I have two roundtrip tickets from Newark to San Francisco that I want to sell
>since I won't be able to use it because of the change of my vacation plans.  
>Each roundtrip ticket is 200 dollars.
>
>[usual non-interesting blather eliminated]
>The dates of these tickets can be changed. Both starting date as well as the
>return date. The only requirement is Saturday stay. You can change the date
>to any date you want before Sep 15th to make use of the 200 dollar summer
>fare. You just have to pay 25 dollars fee. 

Hold on.  Isn't it true that the dates of these tickets can be changed
*only* if the airline has seats available in the same fare class on
the dates you want to change to?  If so, saying (like so many of these
postings do) "dates can be changed" is misleading, if not deceptive.
And the real value of the tickets is considerably less than face value.

Apparently many people got caught up in the ticket sale frenzy, thinking
they could always change dates if they had to.  Is it time for
rec.travel.air.bail-me-out?

Charleen
--
"You'd look perfect in something long and flowing...say, a river."
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ddeshpa@eng.clemson.edu (D.V.Rao)
Subject: Rise in Air Fares
Reply-To: ddeshpa@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:48:11 GMT

 Hi
   I  just heard that the international air fares are going to increase after December 92. But i think it is rumour.
  Any one out there has any news about it , please send me a email..
 Also please send me information about 
     USA-India deals ( dec92 or Jan93)  .

 Thanks

 Deshpande
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.211752.2005@athena.mit.edu> cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:
>One problem I can forsee from all your suggestions. Normally, you have to check
>in your check-in lugguage before you go to the boarding gate. What if you get
>bumped and the your bugguage didn't ? How to ensure that your check-in lugguage
>travel on the alternate flight as you ?

a) your luggage gets there before you.
b) You don't check your luggage and do a gate check of your luggage
   when you do get on the airplane.  In this case your luggage may 
   not make it onto the same plane as you.

Check your bag and do what any sensible traveller does -- bring enough
clean clothes for a day or two in your carry on.
							reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ednschmi@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (John Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:03:56 GMT


>I was on a United Express flight (which is not a bad flight...but never 
>do Northwest JFK-Boston...its no bigger than a model plane) from Chicago
>to Champaign.  It was a clear beautiful day.  We were coming in for a 
>landing.  It was as though the pilot saw the runway and bet the co-pilot
>he could land the plane without pulling up until the last second.  We
>nosedived to the runway.  And then, what seemed like a few feet off the
>ground, he straightened up and landed.  

This is not really how ANYONE lands an aeroplane.  You can be sure that a
pilot of a commercial passenger service doesn't EVER think anything like
that.

Small planes are really very safe.

John Schmidt

>Hope that helps.

I have to admit that I fly even smaller planes for my own and my family
and friends' pleasure.
From: ivan@bach.ecse.rpi.edu (Ivan Vukovic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Minneapolis-Pittsburgh-Albany, one way ticket
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:16:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY


Want to sell a one way airline ticket with the
following info:

USAIR   8/2/92  Minneapolis - Pittsburgh  dep. 10:34AM  arr. 1:25PM

USAIR   8/2/92  Pittsburgh - Albany  dep. 2:04PM  arr. 3:12PM

Changing the date is possible with the additional fee of $25.

Asking $40. Will be in Minneapolis/St.Paul on the 30th of July.

Please send mail to ivan@bach.ecse.rpi.edu.
From: tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Keywords: taxy, bus, rail, tube
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:33:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul25.112226.2889@athena.mit.edu> davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.221732.16959@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null) writes:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> My lady girlfriend and I will fly to New York (JFK) next October.
>> We would like to know the available means of transport to Manhattan 
>> from JFK Airport and respective costs.
>>
>> 		thanx a lot for any useful help,
>>
>>
>>
>>				Ndedi & Paolo
>
>There is a public bus run by the NYC Transit Authority to the subway, but
>don't take it.  The subway ride will be longer than your flight, at least
>until they build a new transit line with the $3 added tax approved yesterday.
>
>The best alternatives are (1) taking a private bus to Manhattan or (2) taking
>a cab to Manhattan.  I'm not sure what the bus costs, but the cost would be
>a flat fee, whereas the cab ride will depend on traffic delays, which are
>very much possible.  The yellow cabs are the licensed cabs.  Taxi or bus will
>run close to or above $20.  When you get to the airport, make sure
>you stop at an information desk and pick up a mini-guide telling you how much
>each type of transportation costs, because foreigners have been known to have
>been ripped-off, particularly Japanese businesspeople.  These brochures tell
>you all your rights as well. 
>
  Taxi is close to FORTY DOLLARS to Manhattan...  Limo/bus is 7.50-8.00
to Grand Central.. THEN take a taxi to where you want to go..

tk
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: World Airline Rankings?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:54:26 GMT

Consumer reports just voted Airflot as the worlds worst airline!
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:01:26 GMT

gantony@metz.une.edu.au (George Antony) writes:

>In my experience there is a huge difference between business and economy on
>Singapore Airlines, much greater than on, e.g., QANTAS.

I've flown both Business & tourist class on SQ, and service was impecacble 
in both classes.  Tourist class on SQ = Business class on US airlines, and
probably First class on Northwest!


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cannon@ziggy.es.com (Gary Cannon)
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Reply-To: cannon@ziggy.es.com (Gary Cannon)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.202756.23312@nas.nasa.gov>, hahn@gigantor.nas.nasa.gov (Jonathan Hahn) writes:
> 
> You can certainly get the AA/Citibank Visa card for $50/year, but I do
> not believe you can get the compainion ticket unless you are solicited
> with an offer for it.  If you think about it, that companion ticket is
> worth much more than $50 (provided you can use it).

That is the big problem. I got this Visa card on an AA promotion but when I
tried to use the companion ticket I found that there were so many restrictions
that the ticket was useless to me. It ended up expiring without being used.

> -jonathan hahn
> --
> hahn@nas.nasa.gov					wk: (415) 604-4360
> ..!ames!amelia!hahn					hm: (408) 736-7014

--
 ---		Gary G. Cannon
 ---		Evans & Sutherland
 ---		cannon@dsd.es.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:56:19 GMT

In article <nsmlao0@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>
>I think it's a *great* deal.  ...
>

It is a great deal, but you might consider alternatives.  I have the
Citibank AAdvantage card, but I'm thinking of getting rid of it once I
top 40,000 miles.  You see, I live in the Denver area, where United has
a hub, and I do most of my flying on United.  For me, the United First
Card (equivalent to the AAdvantage card) would be a better deal.  

Whoever's thinking of getting an AAdvantage card might consider whether
there's another airline affinity card that might be more appropriate for
their flying habits.  Besides American and United, I know that Northwest
and USAir have cards.  Perhaps TWA and Continental have them, too.  Anybody 
know?

Wayne

-----------
Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Hidden City Fares - AA Fighting Back?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:39:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

There was a discussion here last week about someone who wanted to buy a
cheap ticket from another city that went thru his home city before actually
continuing on to his intended destination.  One of the suggestions in a case
like this is to get someone in the originating city to check in at the desk
and get your ticket taken and boarding pass stamped but never get on the
plane.

Well, this is on a slightly different topic, but I was hanging around the
gate in DFW the other night, and I noticed an interesting little message on
one of the consoles "Hidden City - Do not prelift".  I wonder if this is to
get around people who were having their tickets taken at the desk and then
walking away because they only wanted to go to DFW but it was cheaper to fly
somewhere else.  Has anyone seen this before?

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dgrove@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Subject: Ticket For Sale: Cleveland-Houston Aug 10
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:55:58 GMT

I have a ticket for a male for sale on the following route:

	Cleveland-Cincinnati     10 Aug 11:08AM-12:00 Noon (Delta 1129)
	Cincinnati-Houston Hobby 10 Aug 12:51PM-2:10PM (Delta 1677)

The date of this can be changed for $25. I am just looking for the
best offer I can get for this seat - I paid $75 for it, so something
on the order of $40-$50 might be reasonable.

thanks.

-dan

Dan Grove
713.524.6571
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air