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From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Are you a turtle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:37:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Newsgroups: alt.turtles?
Subject: Are you a Turtle?
Summary: 
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Distribution: world
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Keywords: 

 				TURTLES

ARE YOU A TURTLE?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A TURTLE?

WHICH GAME DID YOU LEARN?

DO YOU LIKE TO PLAY DRINKING GAMES?

MAYBE YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A TURTLE.

CONTACT ME IF YOU CAN ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.

  
thanks
-to4 (topher)

	THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN
	FIVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE TURTLES.  JUST RESPONED VIA E-MAIL WITH
	THE TURTLE OATH IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'VE FORGOTTEN, WELL, FINE, 
	PERHAPS I CAN REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.  

	LATES

	ChrisTOPHer
	cs151kx@lamar.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:20:04 GMT

In article <15DEC92.00655299.0059@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> V5WA000 <V5WA@UNB.CA> writes:

>Do You idiots actually get drunk off that water you call beer?
>Here in Canada, Labatts rules.  I'm not being biased
>because it's Canadian.  It's just better.  I like to know when I'm drink
>drinking and it doesn't take 10 to 12 bottles before you get
>a buzz (like all American beer)

> Feel free to respond

It depends on what kind of American beer you drink.  If you drink the mass 
produced beers, then I can see your point.  But a lot of small breweries 
here brew products much better than LaBlatts!  LaBlatts is a good, but not 
great beer.  Better than Miller, Budweiser and all those mass American 
beers, but LaBlatts compares poorly to many quality American beers.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:00:05 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

With all the crap I've seen on the net lately (It looks like the freshman
class has figured out how to log onto usenet), we may be better served by
seperating this newsgroup into groups as follows:

	alt.beer.postings.from.knowledgable.beer.lovers

		and

	alt.beer.just.want.to.get.shit.faced

		or

	alt.beer.my.favorite.rules.and.everything.else.sucks

I'm sure the person who started this thread (Mr. V5WA@UNB.CA, can you say
usenet newbie, and isn't Unix neat'o) was merely dangling flame bait, so
here goes...

Well, Mr. Labatts Rules, you think you can hold your Canadian water, eh?
You sound just like the guys who used to leave our rugby parties with their
heads shaved, and their finger nails painted.  Remember, there is always
someone else on the planet who can drink you into a coma.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From:  ()
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Christmas Ale
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:27:56 GMT

Chimay, not Chimey. Must not have been that memorable, if you can't
correctly spell its name. Try Mother Rosa's cherry ales.

Anchor is the name of the brewery, Steam the particular brew that has won
the hearts of millions. Steam refers to the pressure of natural carbonation
which was this particular beer's trademark. These beers were originally
fermented without ice, though I believe that the contemporary brewery uses
some sort of cooling mechanism.

Guiness is good, but certainly not the only thing worth drinking. Spoken
like a true, stubborn Irishman who's probably been drinking the stuff since
he could speak. Remember, buy the bottles when in England!

Has anyone out there had Pike Place? Care to comment?

-Joe

joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: khelgese@IASTATE.EDU (Kjetil Helgesen)
Subject: San Diego bars 
Reply-To: khelgese@IASTATE.EDU (Kjetil Helgesen)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:24:17 GMT

Hi, folks !

I'm going to California this christmas. Can anyone recommend any good and fun
bars in the San Diego area ?



Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Flip-Top Beer Bottle Caps (was: Re: Grolsch...)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:31:04 GMT
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Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
> Is this indeed common in England (and other countries)?

In Germany, it USED (loong time ago) be dominant. There have been a few
hold-outs all the time (Altenmnster and Flensburger spring to mind), but
the popularity of these bottles is slowly increasing again. The grocery
store chain Reichelt has a budget (store-brand) brew that sports a flip-top
cap. (Well, it's not cheap; about 60 for half a liter. You can get
cheaper (and drinkable) beer for about 55).
-- 
   /\   | Martin P. Ibert, Westendallee 100 d, D-1000 Berlin 19, +4930-3056541
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   ||   | and a Happy New Year **** Hauskaa joulua ja onnelista uutta voutta !
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: Samichlaus '91
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:20:07 GMT

In article <BzDL8C.4zx@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
 crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:

>In article <BzDE3L.Cvo@nic.umass.edu>
> donovan@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sean Donovan) writes:
>>Samichlaus is brewed on Dec. 6th because that is (literally) St. Nicholas
>[...]
>>shot of grain alcohol into my beer!  It was so heavy and cloying, I didn't
>>like it.  Again, just one person's opinion.
 
>   I'll agree with you here.  Although my favorite brews are all stouts
>and porters (most anything that is roasty, malty, thick, bitter), I was
>disappointed in the '91 Sami I had.  The combination of sourness (kind of
>a bread-like sourdough thing) and the burning alcohol bite was so intense
>I couldn't drink the entire bottle.

Well, it all, IMHO, comes from knowing how to enjoy different kinds of 
beers.  I'm not a big fan of alcohol, but I enjoy my beer.  For a barley 
wine strength beer, I generally split a bottle with 1 or 2 others and sip it 
warm after dinner.  Very tasty and quite enjoyable then.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:39:34 GMT

V5WA000 <V5WA@UNB.CA> writes:
: Do You idiots actually get drunk off that water you call beer?
: Here in Canada, Labatts rules.  I'm not being biased
: because it's Canadian.  It's just better.  I like to know when I'm drink
: drinking and it doesn't take 10 to 12 bottles before you get
: a buzz (like all American beer)
: 
:  Feel free to respond

Two words.

Labatts splats.

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Weiss bier
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:15:04 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Dec13.061145.26270@midway.uchicago.edu> dunl@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Speaking of Weissbier s, anyone know if Paulaner's Hefe-Weissbier is 
>imported into the USA?

   Yep.  I live in Blacksburg Virginia (as if you couldn't tell from my
sig), and have found it at the local fish market, in addition to three other
Paulaner varieties (the regular lager, the oktoberfest, and Salvator).  IMHO,
Paulaner's weizen is similar to Spaten's, and is subsequently quite good.
   Later.
-- 
Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:00:15 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <15DEC92.00655299.0059@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
V5WA000 <V5WA@UNB.CA> writes:

> Do You idiots actually get drunk off that water you call beer?
> Here in Canada, Labatts rules.  I'm not being biased
> because it's Canadian.  It's just better.  I like to know when I'm drink
> drinking and it doesn't take 10 to 12 bottles before you get
> a buzz (like all American beer)
> 
>  Feel free to respond

 You said it!! But I don't know about Labbatts either. The stuff they
sell down here is pretty weak.  

* Wik *

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Subject: 5 favorite beers
Summary: What are YOUR 5 favorite beers? 
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:39:31 GMT

 Here are the 5 best brews of beer I ever enjoyed:

 Benediktiner Dunkel                        (had it in bamburg, Germany)
 Hoegaarten (not Grand Cru)                 (had it at a pub in Belgium,
                                             but was running out of 
                                             Belgian francs, so I had
                                             to stop at 4-5)
 Kulmbacher Monschof Kloster-Schwarzbier    (house of 100 beers, Berlin)
 (not Kulmbacher Schweizerhof-brau)
 Maisel Bamburg Keller-bier                 (Bamburg, Germany)
 Schlenkeria Rauchbier                      (Bamburg, Germany)

 What are YOUR 5 best tasting beers ever enjoyed?

 The worst beer I ever had was Radhost, some czech. beer when I was in Hungary.

 Have any of you ever been to Bamburg? Its beer heaven: 300 breweries in that
 region.

 On the Internet, you can try the command "finger -l kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca"
 to see a list of 75 beers a friend and I have rated, plus a third person who
 mostly rates local beers...
-- 
Odisseas Kosmatos               "Nous sommes les robots" -- moi
e-mail:                         << L'homme, serviteur de l'automate,
kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca          deviendra lui-meme un automate. un robot. >>
shammer@mafalda.math.mcgill.ca                           -- Duham
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt)
Subject: Best Beer
Keywords: no doubt
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:10:17 GMT

Without a doubt the best beer I've ever had is FREE BEER!

Chris Brandt                 brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sweet and Malty
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:20:20 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

For Sweet and Malty, I must vote for Scotch Ales, English Stouts, and  Barly
Wines.  In addition, some very strong Belgian Fruit Beers, like Le Fruit 
Defandu, are quite Sweet, and a bit malty.

My suggestions:

1) MacKeson's Triple Stout
2) Old Nick Barley Wine
3) McEwan's Scotch Ale (VERY SWEET)
4) McAndrew's Scotch
5) Old Peculier
6) Adnams' Brown Ale
7) King and Barnes' Brown Ale
From: gl_a252@titan.kingston.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: 5 favorite beers
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:08:29 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tethys.king.ac.uk

[deleted stuff all gone]

5 fave beers.
Well, here are my five fave drinks...

1/ Newcastle Brown Ale
2/ Murphies Stout
3/ Sam Smiths Bitter
4/ 6X Bitter
5/ Burtons XB

Well nice...

Ahhhh

-Neal
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Christmas Ale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:18:45 GMT

You missed the earliet postings about Anchor Xmas ale:  in summary,  it is very
expensive,  in Ohio and NC at least,  over $9/six.  It is very good,  but in my
view,  not worth that much money.  Alternatives are other Xmas brews,  such as 
Oldenburg,  which is about half the price,  not a cheap substitute (as somebody
else posted),  but 'wintery' in that it is heavier,  spicier,  a lot fuller 
type brew.

I might add that Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome was very tasty,  and cheaper 
than Anchor.  Not just very tasty,  in fact,  much better than Anchor.  And Sam
Adams Winterfest was very good, but with a different feel.  And reasonably 
priced at $5.99/six.

Advice:  if somebody else is buying,  drink Anchor.  If you are looking for a 
winter brew,  get one of the others (if they are still available).  Cheers. 
Dan.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer,seattle.general,pnw.general,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.drink
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Who Distributes Samichlaus? (Was: Re: Samichlaus '91)
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:24:49 GMT

Well, it's only 8 days 'till Christmas and I can't find Samichlaus
anywhere in the Puget Sound area.  All I ask (for next year's sake)
is that somebody who actually *has* a bottle of this beer send me the
name and, hopefully, the address of the distributor off the bottle so
I can ask our socialized liquor distribution monopoly (the Washington
state Liquor Control Board) to special-order me in some.  Also, if
any other Puget Sound-area readers would like to go in on this (since
you can only order case lots from Ol' George) let me know and maybe
we can work a 6-pack-a-person deal or something like that.  Thanks
to any and all who respond.  Happy Holidays.

-- 
David Breneman               #################      Catch the Spud Goodman Show
The Spud Goodman Show         ####### #######          Saturdays at 11:00 PM on
dcb@rosedale.seaslug.org       #####   #####                KTZZ-22 in Seattle.
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From: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu (Roger Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Midwest Beer Notes
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:32:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH.
Reply-To: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

Comments about a couple of posts and a few semi-original thoughts...

Leinenkugel a thick beer? NOT! Not a bad beer for a Wisconsin lager but 
if you want thick, keep looking! Besides, they're owned by Phillip 
Morris (AKA Miller Brewing...). IMHO, Wisconsin's best beers come from 
Sprecher and Lakefront in Milwaukee and Adler of Appleton. And Leiny 
can't touch Capital's Special from Middleton.

Simpatico is imported from Mexico by the same guys who now brew it in 
Dubuque. It's unclear whether they still import AND contract brew. My 
local big beer store has both imported and Iowa-made, side-by-side.

Really enjoyed visiting the Sherlock's Home restaurant and brewpub in 
Minnetonka, MN over the weekend. There's a "fancy" sit-down dining room 
on one side and a more laid back "pub" on the other. My wife and 13 
year-old son sat on the pub side. We tried the Bishop's Bitter 
(probably a fair approximation of English bitter...hoppy, fruity and 
not "bitter", served at about 50 degrees. Also had a porter (nice and 
hoppy, dry and smoky), a REALLY fine IPA and their Winter Warmer, 
served from wooden "pin" casks in wine glasses! The latter is rich, 
dark and quite alcoholic. The brewmaster was kind enough to stop by. He 
noted they do all grain brewing (imported), serve from wood when 
possible and can't (by State law) bottle. Pity!

Finally, I'd like to add Summit Brewing's (St. Paul, MN micro) Winter 
Ale as one of the better Midwest holiday offerings. It's one of the 
best brown ales brewed in this part of the country. Fine, rich, hoppy 
flavor. Give it a try if your in the Cities!

Cheers!
Roger
PS...Chicago people, has anyone tried the Weinkeller holiday beer? Any 
good?
-- 

Roger Brown, x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
Extension Communications, Iowa State University, Ames Iowa. 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: keg size
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:41:40 GMT

when u r ralking kegs. getting a keg or the standard half keg is the only way to
fly.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: osminer@spot.Colorado.EDU (OSMINER MATTHEW COREY)
Subject: Coors=water????
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:37:13 GMT



While this is true you can't get decent beer in most bars
who have Bud, Coors, Bud Light, and Miller as their only
choices there are a large number of growing "brewpubs".  These
fine little etablishments are a microbrewery and bar all
in one package.  I've never had a finer beer than at a brewpub.
Living in Boulder we have about three very excellent brewpubs
one can visit.  The Oasis (try the nut brown ale), The Walnut Brewery,
and the Boulder Brewery.  All of them make an excellent dark ale
and on occassion a few specialty beers.  If you ever blow through town
you can buy in bottles as well but it's not quite the same!  Do
stop by! 

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From:  ()
Subject: Re: How to serve Samichlaus
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:36:16 GMT

In article <16DEC199209123125@utahep.uta.edu>, sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee
Sawyer) wrote:
> 
>     For the first time, I was able to lay my hands on a six of Samichlaus.
> I am having some fellow beer snobs over tonight for a tasting. The question is:
> At what temperature should it be served ? Chilled like Chimay, or at room
> temperature like Thomas Hardy ? 
> 
>     Also... would it adversely effect
> Smaichlaus to be warmed up to room temperature for several hours, then re-
> refigerated ? Should have been refigerated in the first place ?
> 
> 
>        ================                           
>          Lee Sawyer                                  
> 
>          Dept of Physics                          
>          Univ. of Texas                            
>                at Arlington                        

Warm warm warm!!! I would recommend cellar temperature or slighlty warmer.
Chimay chilled? Someone had advised you most unjustly. Such a delicate ale
should be enjoyed between cellar and room temperature, according to your
taste.
The flavor of only a few beers can be fully enjoyed when chilled (by which
I mean an hour or more in the refrigerator). Guinness is one of these.
Foster's is another. Chimay and Samichlaus do not, in my opinion, qualify
as one of the "chillables."

If it was at cellar temp before, refrigerating it should have no ill
effects. Don't let it fall prey to the warm-up/re-cool cycle though, or it
can skunk very quickly.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Re: A Real Beer
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:27:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.044217.2828@cnsvax.uwec.edu> jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>Drop all your child beers, Miller, Bud, Pabst ... and send out for some real
>stuff.
>

I've never heard of these beers.  Are they local Wisconsin products?


--Dan

danco@philos.umass.edu
danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu
From: daniel@teer9.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.230901.1@acad.drake.edu>, kns001@acad.drake.edu writes:
|> 
|> ...Growing up in Oklahoma, Mexican beers were fairly plentiful: Corona and
|> Chihuahua (sp?) were THE thing to drink in high school (4-6 yrs ago) if you
|> could get around the authorities - these days, they taste like flat-beer-
|> flavored water to me.  In all the talk I've seen here abt. Mexican brews,
|> nobody's mentioned Simpatico, which I really like - has anyone else tried it?
                      ^^^^^^^^^^
|> (comes in a nifty black bottle...)   


I was under the imression that Simpatico was made in Iowa -- is this true???

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: How big is a keg?
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:36:19 GMT

From article <1gijh0INNq3u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic):
> 
> In a previous article, image@leland.Stanford.EDU (John B. Mooney) says:
> 
>>Greetings:
>>
>>Just how big is a normal keg?  What about a pony-keg?  And a party
>>ball?   How many 12-oz beers are in a keg?  (I can probably do the
>>division myself, but still!)
> 
> a party ball is typically five gallons which equals
> 	two 24 cases plus a six pack plus spit leftover
> a 1/4 barrell (pony keg to some) is 3.5 cases of beer (24 case)
> 1 1/2 barrell (normal keg) is 7 cases of beer (24 case)
>

Hate to be picky - an "8 gallon keg" or "1/4 barrel" or "pony keg" is
7.75 gallons = 992 ozs = 82.67 bottles = 3.44 cases

A "16 gallon keg", "1/2 barrel" is 15.5 gallons, hence exactly
twice an "8 gallon" keg or 6.88 cases.

Plus, you _always_ seem to lose a few good beers with all that
initial foam.  And then there's the people who fill up their glass,
drink half of it and then forget where they put it.  Plus you've
got drunks spilling beer, beer being cleared from the tap by those
over concerned party goers, and there always seems to be that last
glass of beer that never makes it out of the keg no matter how
you tilt it.  

In summary, a 16 gallon keg is _exactly_ a better deal than buying
cases - with the added benefit of not having any lunatics flipping
bottle caps around the room until somebody loses an eye!



-- 
........................................................................
Steve Anastasi	        "Give a man a fish, and you can feed him for
smanastasi@mmm.com       a day.  Teach him to fish and you can tax him!"
St. Paul, Minnesota                 - hey, I wrote it!
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