From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: New Amiga newsgroups WAS: Re: Cnews questions
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:13:00 EST
 <1992Dec8.031915.1784@ckctpa.UUCP> <ciaran.3efb@aldhfn.akron.oh.us>
Keywords: newsgroups cnews uucp alt comp
Summary: Lets start a vote for comp.sys.amiga.uucp and maybe comp.sys.amiga.news.sw
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In article <ciaran.3efb@aldhfn.akron.oh.us>, Skip Watson writes:

> 	I had been working on putting together a mailing list for Amiga
> Cnews. Lately I've seen mail about creating an alt group for cnews,
> probably alt.sys.amiga.cnews. So I put together the following as a

I'd rather see a group for all Amiga news s/w rather than only Cnews.
I also think it should be in the comp hierarchy with the other amiga
groups. From the sustained volume I've seen so far, though, there's
not enough traffic to support a separate group.

> Subject: proposal alt.sys.amiga.cnews/cnews.patches
> 	Alt.sys.amiga.cnews is for discussing the Amiga port of cnews. It
                                              ^^^       ^^^^
"ports" plural please. :-)

> 	Cnews on the amiga is sufficiently different from the standard
> unix cnews to warrant a newsgroup to itself. What unix cnews does with

Not if I get around to a GCC/ixemul.library/pdksh port. :-)

> 	Cnews on the amiga is growing in popularity. Its use would be more

It's had little blips of a few postings to a.s.a.u. for a week a
couple of times a year, for years. I don't see much change over time.

> Why an alt group.
> 
> 	Amiga Cnews should be discussed in the same heirarchy as its
> transport packages. At this point in time only the alt.sys.amiga heirarchy
> meets this qualification with the existance of the alt.sys.amiga.uucp group.

Which still leaves people unable to get them, or having to resort to
mailing lists. A better thing to do is start a discussion and vote on
finally creating a comp.sys.amiga.uucp newsgroup. We have lots of
evidence of sustained interest and traffic, and I'm confident we have
enough people to pass the vote. 

I'm less sure if a vote for a separate group for Amiga news s/w (not
just ports of Cnews) would pass, but the only way to find out is with
a vote, right? :-)

The only reasons for creating a new amiga group in alt would be if
expediency were paramount (it's not, in this case) or a vote for a
comp.sys.amiga* group failed and someone still wanted an alt group to
test out whether a group was worthwhile.

> 	Cnews is independant of the transport package. It can work with
> nntp, uucp, or any other transport package that you'd care to come up with.
> Because of this, it should have its own group rather than be discussed in a
> group that is for a transport package.

That's a valid argument provided there's enough traffic to warrant the
split. I don't think that there is. nntp and IP don't have their own
groups, they get discussed in comp.sys.amiga.datacomm and
alt.sys.amiga.uucp. Cnews for the rest of the world (non AmigaOS)
doesn't even have it's own group. There is one group for most news s/w
(including Cnews) for many other hardware and software platforms,
news.software.b

Do we want to create an Amiga "ghetto"? the existing Cnews group has
discussions for all kinds of hardware running different versions of
unix, unix variants, unix like OSes, mach, VMS (?) etc. While it might
be nice to have a separate group so we don't bother people with "real"
operating systems with questions from AmigaOS users, why hide? Be
proud of your Amiga and ask general Cnews questions where everyone
else does. For Amiga specific problems (quite possibly related to the
interfacing with the transport s/w) we have the amiga.uucp group as a
place that works fine now.

I suggest that someone start a formal discussion about creating
comp.sys.amiga.uucp. It's a shoo-in provided the correct
administrative proceedures are followed. I think that, considering the
volume in amiga.uucp and the fact that most Amiga news s/w is running
on uucp sites, that that is a good place for news discussions to stay.

However, while someone's in the business, why not start a formal
discussion and vote on comp.sys.amiga.news.sw (the exact name would
also be discussed/argued over).

If someone agrees with me, and has the enthusiasm, time and
net.expertese to start the formal proceedings, lets go. If everyone
thinks we should move alt.sys.amiga.uucp to comp.sys.amiga.uucp and
consider splitting out discussions about news s/w to another group,
but doesn't want to do it, bug me and I might give in reluctantly
under pressure. :-)

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