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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Personally importing a bike ???
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:03:00 -0500

Terry Milbank <milbank@doc.BNR.CA> writes:

 TM> Does anybody out there know what sort of costs are involed in
personally
 TM> importing a bike from America to England (i.e going out there
myself and
 TM> geting it), costs such as taxes import duties etc etc.

 Here's my personal suggestion, but don't pass it on to the customs
agents.
 They probably do it themselves. :-)

 Get your old beater bike and pack it up in a box. If you don't have a
beater
 bike, buy a cheap one at the next second hand sale.  Make sure that
this bike
 is listed as part of your luggage. Depending on the airline you take,
you
 probably will have to pay some "excess baggage" fee. It pays to contact
a
 number of airlines. Some (like Lufthansa) go strictly by mass, and
don't
 automatically charge an excess free for bikes.

 When you get to the States, visit a bike shop or two, and trade your
old
 beater in on a new bike of your choice. The trade-in will probably only
pay
 for the "excess baggage" fee, but don't worry, this was a disposable
bike
 anyway.

 Next you want to ride your new bike. You wanted to visit some of
America,
 anyway, didn't you? Make sure to get a bit of mud on the bike, and
don't
 clean it too well when you box it back up. This is in case the customs
 agents ask to inspect the bike.

 You will, once again, have to pay an "excess baggage" fee when
returning,
 but this will seem trivial compared to the usual shipping and duty
fees.
 You might even want to return your new bike in the same beat up box,
with
 English markings, that you shipped the beater in.

 You brought a used bike to the States and you are returning with a
used
 bike. Sure a little soapy water and wax will make your new used bike
look
 a lot less used, but you can wait until you get home for that.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:08:43 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:

>Richard Pennell writes:
>. Terry Thiel writes:
>. : David Casseres writes:
>. : >Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
>. : >fun and a lot more useful.  The splitting of rec.bikes was one of those
>. : >ideas that sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.
>. : 
>. : I second the motion.
>.
>. I third it
>Any more sore losers out there?  Actually, I could survive without knowing.
>--
>Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934
>Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
>UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022

What a weenie.  Dave, take care of this guy.
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Where to get MT.Bike .GIF files???
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: SMIS, Massey University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:00:36 GMT

x90watz@gw.wmich.edu wrote:

> Anybody know where I can get any nifty .GIF files of mt. biking in general? 

There are a few .gif files, of photos taken by a friend & I on a recent
trip, on a local FTP server.  They're more scenic than the action shots you
often see in magazines.

The server is not in the DNS, so you will need to use the IP number
130.123.96.9. The gifs are in \pub\trip.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: uk02118@nx12.mik.uky.edu (Dave Voelker)
Subject: Re: FTP site for Tour de France pics
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:49:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.173942.9887@nmra.bioch.ox.ac.uk>  
miranker@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Miranker) writes:
> Does anyone know a good ftp site for Tour de France or any other
> bicycle racing images? Any format will do.
> 
> Please reply by e-mail, I will summarize.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> miranker@biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk


There are a limited number of Tour de France and the Tour DuPont available  
via anonymous FTP from 128.200.34.12  The address was in the FAQ and the  
owner requests that traffic be kept low during prime time as it is his/her  
own workstation.

Dave
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From: mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Same Geometry as Klein Attitude?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:06:02 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Dec12.235234.1@vax.sonoma.edu> vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

>I once got to ride a 20" Klein Attitude mountain bike and it fit me like
>a glove.  My problem is I can't afford a Klein.  Anybody know if 
>there is another brand/model(s) out there that have the same geometry
>as the Kline Attitude but at a lower price?

  The Klein Rascal has the same geometry and lengths as the
  Attitude.  I belive the price for a frame set is under $800.

Matt.
From: milbank@doc.BNR.CA (Terry Milbank)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Personally importing a bike ???
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:03:53 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe (UK)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: milbank@bnr.co.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls81.bnr.co.uk

Hello all,

Does anybody out there know what sort of costs are involed in personally importing a bike from America 
to England (i.e going out there myself and geting it), costs such as taxes import duties etc etc.

I'm not sure how much all this would come to, but if there is anybody who knows, could you please let me 
know at the mail address below.

Also these fee's, do you actually pay these at customs or what ???

Thanks,


Terry

btw : H A P P Y  C H R I S T M A S 

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: swispl@solomon.technet.sg (SW International)
Subject: MTBikers in Singapore
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:44:16 GMT

Hey dudes,
I picked up cycling not too long ago. I'm looking forward
to join any existing mountain-biking group in Singapore.

If you have any info please let me know.
Call me at 7780066 (O), 4513283 (H) or e-mail me.

cheewai
swispl@solomon.technet.sg
From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:52:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.wpd.sgi.com

Sorry to hear about that...  But after living in South Florida for many, many
years, I'm not surprised.  Florida drivers are some of the worst in the
country.  Many half-blind, half-deaf, 80 year old people in large automobiles
weaving all the road.  It takes some serious guts to ride a bicycle on those
roads....
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:46:49 GMT

Richard Pennell writes:
. Terry Thiel writes:
. : David Casseres writes:
. : >Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
. : >fun and a lot more useful.  The splitting of rec.bikes was one of those
. : >ideas that sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.
. : 
. : I second the motion.
.
. I third it

Any more sore losers out there?  Actually, I could survive without knowing.

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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1565 rec.bicycles.tech:2690
From: news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (news)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: How do I make by stationary trainer not so loud?
Keywords: n
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:22:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale

>I have a Performance PeakLoad stationary trainer with mag resistance (purchased
>in '90). Does anyone know any tricks to reduce the overall noise output? I am
>especially (sp?) concerned with the amount of noise/vibration passed through to 
>the apartment below mine.
>
>Any advice greatly appreciated.
From: mcfar@dialup.UUCP (Lincoln McFarland)
I replaced the nobbie tires on my mountian bike with smooth ones.  This made
a dramatic difference ;-)  You might also try a carpet or reminant under the
stand to insulate it some.


|"But what jobs are there in a backwards reality for a dead hologram and an  |
| android with a head shaped like a novelty condom?" -A.J. Rimmer            |
|                                                                            |
| Randy McFarland                         mcfar@sunfse.ese.lmse.lockheed.com |
From: jeffb@csd.harris.com (Jeff Bernhard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:44:38 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

As someone noted, Dale died of his injuries. What was not mentioned
in the article (this is unofficial) was that Dale was riding on a bike
path, and that a witness saw the motorist driving in a straight line
at reasonable speed, and then suddenly swerve off the road and strike
Dale on this path. Also unofficial is the driver's explanation that he
fell asleep at the wheel.

I don't know what really happened. My wife and I will miss him, very
much. He was a special person, and his family and all who knew him
will struggle to deal with their grief.

I can't help but wonder how many accidents involving cyclists and
motorists could be avoided if the latter were more aware of cyclists,
and law enforcement more willing to enforce the laws that protect us
on the road. Bicycling clubs everywhere should start flexing their
political muscles ....

And I have a question: I have heard of an Effective Cycling course (named
after the book), and wonder how our club could sponsor such a course. Does
anyone know if any particular organization offers such a course, or does
anyone know of any qualified instructors for same?

Jeff Bernhard
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:48:08 GMT

In article <BzCrvF.KLn@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
>in road feel.
>-Terry

Hey, look at that!  I also ride Continental GP's, 700x25.  I think they're
great tires.  So Terry and I ride the same road tires.  Now if we could just
get him to ride rapidfire plus off road...

Bill
From: ovr@lk-hp-4.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:32:11 GMT
Organization: L{nsi-Uudenmaan Keisarillinen Polyteknillinen Koulu
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-4.hut.fi

In article <1992Dec16.180556.12837@waikato.ac.nz> jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>of Cycling Magazine NZ says that some Russian riders were still using cleats
>and straps and that their tubulars were cheap jobs made from the same rubber
>used for Lada tyres.

They sell those awful Russian tubulars even here. (Awful: valve nearly
impossible ot pump, surface wears quickly, seem more difficult to repair
(didn't bother to attempt).) And they aren't even that cheap.

>Any comments other than that this should be in the .tech group? (That one 
>all seems to be about personal gear inquiries)

Or rather in r.b.marketplace.NOT! ?
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: keenan@kanga.aero.org (Don Keenan)
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:58:25 GMT


  I'd just like to provide a word of caution to novice drafters,
especially when riding with someone they are not familiar with.
  My only serious accident occured when my wife and I were riding 
with a friend we had not ridden with very much before. Our friend
tends to ride somewhat more aggressively than we do so we were 
drafting one another at somewhat above our (my wife's & mine) usual
pace. With my wife in front, our friend in the middle, and  myself
behind, my wife passed a spot where the blacktop pavement had been
smooched up a couple inches. She didn't even notice it, but our
friend was a few inches inside her line and hit the side of the 
bump. It kicked her wheel out from under her. She went down and I 
went down over her, breaking my collarbone. She suffered some scrapes
and cuts.
  On reflection I feel there was plenty of blame to go around. My 
wife should have recognized the hazard and pointed it out. Our
friend should have been following my wife's line more closely or
watching her own line. I should have been paying attention to my 
wife's line and the road, as well, and not focussing on our friend's
rear wheel. Additionally, we were riding above our comfort level 
and should have increased our caution accordingly.
  I still draft with others occasionally. It's fun and it's fast. 
However, my hard earned lesson taught me that the front rider is
responsible for the safety of those behind ( so be alert for road 
hazards) and that drafters are also responsible for themselves and
need to keep aware of the leader's movements and the road ahead as 
well.

Don Keenan
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Drafting!
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:03:29 GMT

In article LID@lemond.harvey.com, dharvey@lemond.harvey.com (Dave "Hill" Harvey) writes:
>Breaking wind is Job 1 on my training schedule.

Not only your training schedule, it seems to me, but your postings too.
I mean, some have called Jobst an "old fart", but you're getting worse!

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 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/AD    |    with my bike."
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 Tel: +46 8 719 4881                  |

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Drafting!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:50:48 GMT

In article <29.1992.LID@lemond.harvey.com> dharvey@lemond.harvey.com (Dave "Hill" Harvey) writes:
>Personally, I don't respect anyone who sucks off my wheel, but what
>really frosts me is when they try to go in front. I didn't get this
>powerful by sucking wheel, me mateys. Breaking wind is Job 1 on my
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess that's one way to get a guy off your wheel!  Ugh...

>training schedule. Do I let it get me down when they try? No, sir. I
>let my elbows do the talking. Most riders will not risk spleen damage
>just to lead the peloton.
>
>Personal to Kim:
>I'm not wearing pink panties under my Pearl Izumis. How about you?
>
>    - Dave


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: The ultimate illumination
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:44:36 GMT

>For those who really want to be seen at night, Real Goods, a catalog of
>energy conservation products, sells a string of christmas tree lights
>that operate off of 12V.  It has 35 lights, optional blinking mode, and
>draws 1.5 Amps (less than a 20W bulb).  Just tape it along the tubing
>of your frame and voila -- the travelling christmas ornament.
>

I have given some thought to that sort of arrangement, with the lights
strung around on a jacket though.  I think that would have more visual
impact -- something like the jacket that Robert Redford wore in some
movie (?) while riding atop a horse.


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Same Geometry as Klein Attitude?
From: vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:52:34 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I once got to ride a 20" Klein Attitude mountain bike and it fit me like
a glove.  My problem is I can't afford a Klein.  Anybody know if 
there is another brand/model(s) out there that have the same geometry
as the Kline Attitude but at a lower price?
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1533 sci.med.nutrition:1597
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Bananas vs. PowerBars
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

gray@witch.asel.udel.edu (John Gray) wrote:
> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>> I just got an info package and newsletter from Powerfood Inc., the guys
>> that make PowerBars the `athletic energy food'.  In the package was a sheet
>> comparing PowerBars to a few other foods [...] The really interesting one
>> was bananas.  PowerBars are pretty handy and seem to give you desired
>> energy -- their chart says that 76% of their calories are from carbo-
>> hydrates.  But bananas are 93%, and they cost a lot less than PowerBars ...
> Notice the same thing from a PowerBar Ad in Bicycling Mag.  The ad
> convinced me to eat bananas.  Besides being a lot cheaper,  I think
> they taste a lot better too.  Too bad they don't keep better.
> Is there some flaw in the logic that bananas are better source of energy.

Do you mean fresh or dried bananas?  I've used dried bananas as a
concentrated food for hiking.  They're fine in small quantities but
they're *very* laxative.  (There are two varieties, Ecuadorian and
Vietnamese - the Vietnamese ones are juicier and have more flavour).
Both varieties will keep for months.

Never heard of Power Bars.  What's in them?  (Presumably nothing you
can't assemble yourself from basic ingredients at a fraction of the
price).

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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:17:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <BzCrvF.KLn@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
>in road feel.

Am I the only one who finds this information entirely useless without some
estimate of the number of miles ridden on those tires in that time?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jfletche@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Justin Fletcher - CS)
Subject: Split support
Summary:  I like it
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 18:10:02 GMT

I'm starting to lose patience.  I've been a (relatively quiet) reader of
this newsgroup for a number of years, and I applaud the decsion to split
the newsgroup.  In its original form as rec.bicycles, it would often
receive hundreds of articles, requiring significant time to sort through.
Miss reading news for a few days, and it was possible to have over 500
articles in the group (time for the old "catch up" key . . .).  In its new
form, I can select the topics of personal interest.  I'd be willing to bet
that with just a little more support, the split would be fine (limit the
cross-postings & bitching - use the group AS THE READERS VOTED FOR).

There are many of you whose ideas & comment I read with interest - in many
cases even agree with.  In this case, I strongly disagree with your opinion
-- and with the method with which it is made known (well, at least those of
you complaining).

Were the groups to be recombined, I would regretfully unsubscribe.  I like
this format - and would no longer have the patience to wade through all the
articles in one group.
--
Justin Fletcher
Washington State University
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: pamela@keps.com
Subject: UMCA info
Keywords: To all you "ultra-cycling " types out there........
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:45:14 GMT

In article <Bz7uno.L6x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>What is the phone number and/or address of the UltraMarathon Cycling Assoc.
>or whatever it's called.  I need a list of ultra events in the U.S. for 1993.
>-Terry

To join UMCA, send $30 to UMCA, 2761 N. Marengo Ave, Altadena, CA 91001
Phone or FAX 818-794-3119.

The '93 calendar has not been published yet. It should be out in the Jan-Feb
time frame. (We just received the fall newsletter with RAAM updates last 
week!)

BTW, VeloNews also tends to list Ultra-Marathon events in their calendar.
-- 
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KEPS, 164 Lexington Road                                    11 down, 1 to go!
Billerica, MA 01821-3984
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: RIDE STORY: Monte Bello Ridge, Russian Ridge, and Alpine Rd. (12/5/92)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <1g6ehjINNfs7@fido.asd.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan  
McNaughton) writes:
> Bill, it's high time for you to get a mountain bike..Those trails could
> chew up and spit out a thin tire road bike.  Jeez, what a lunatic ;)

Nah.  I've been up over Montebello and down to Page Mill a bunch of times  
on my skinny-tire road bike, in 42 X 21 gears to boot.  It's no big deal.   
Actually rather fun.  

I saw an interesting looking bike at REI the other day, called I think the  
Randonneur.  Cantilever brakes, wide-ish road tires, drop bars.  Looked  
like a good bike for the fun type of riding around here, ie the kind that  
combines some dirt stretches with a lot of paved stretches on the way  
there and the way back.

People under-rate the abilities of their road bikes.  Just do it.

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