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From: jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (James A. Murray)
Subject: Re: Me bashing.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:12:21 GMT

Dear Ethan,
	I have misplaced my statistics, however, it seems that
many of the most vocal denouncers of gays do so to overcome
their own feelings for members of the same sex.  While may who
study sexuality see it as a continuum where the vast majority
are attracted more or less to both sexes, western society has
tended to polarize sexuality into two distinct camps...the
hetero and the homo.  In reality, heterosexuality and
homosexuality, may well only define the two extreams of sexual
attraction.
	I like to go to bed with men! A pretty blanket
statement.  But that is not to say that I do not feel some
attraction for women.  In my case there have been very few
women that have interested me enough sexually for me to take
action.
	Maybe it is the fear of labeling and the stigma and
persecution that comes with having sexual feelings for your own
sex.
	But I digress............

The fact is that this is a newsgroup with a homosexual
identity.  The very fact that if one of your buddies at school
saw you reading this "queer" stuff you would be guilty by
association. Not fun.

I believe the question is not your sexual orientation, but why
you feel the need to assure the readers of this group that you
are "Strayt".  I believe that your curiosity is well met and
certainly to be applauded in a time when the issue of gays and
lesbians are in the news daily.  It is an issue that you will
have to face.  I can only hope that there are more like you
that are brave enough to question their society. It is only
through questioning the rules of a society that one can learn
morals (truth) and ethics.  Things are not necessarily moral or
ethical if their basis is mearly tradition.  The world changes,
it is those who fight enevitable change that end up miserable.
Change is not safe nor comfortable, but it is exciting and
filled with life.

I hope that you do not use the term "straight" to pidgeonhole
yourself into a restrictive role out of fear of what others
might think of you, it could lead to playing the same dangerous
game with other beliefs that you may hold from time to time.

I hope that you can find the strength to be Ethan first, and
disregard the labeling of others.

Thanks for the reading,
Jim
--
James A. Murray                    |  Certe, Toto, sentio nos in
University of Virginia             |  Kansate non iam adesse. 
jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.edu       |    		-Dorothea
Compuserve: 71022,1000             |
From: pace@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Jennifer Pace)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Hetero Jealousy Re: a question
Date: 13 Dec 92 08:42:29 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   Conerning you post about queers brainwashing small children... I am of
the opinion that's its you, the heterosexual, closed minded, bigot sons of
bitches that are doing it and not us. We don't teach hate. Only pity
for miserable slime like you.
							RJW
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Bill Jenkins <wcj1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you like my *postscript*?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:08:52 GMT

In article <15DEC199213024820@rigel.tamu.edu> ,
Zeke@Gays.should.be.in.the.military.so.they.can.be.casualties.of.war
writes:
>Maybe she will, but I am sure that both of your daddies could
>paste it on your frig. with some of their butt-paste.

Oh that makes a lot of sense!

BTW, why do you seem to continually read alt.homosexual if it disgusts
you so much?

BillJ
~~~~~
Bill Jenkins   wcj1@cornell.edu
From: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: NON-REPRODUCTIVE SEX...
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 

HOMOPHOBES....read THIS!

SD>The next time you hear the argument that homosexual sex means a death
SD>sentence for the human race because it's not procreative, consider this
SD>info I just received from the Zero Population Growth_ foundation, a
SD>Washington DC group committed to ending overpopulation.


SD>"In the seconds it takes you to read this sentence, 24 people will be
SD>added to the Earth's population.

SD>Before you've finished this letter, that number will reach 1000.  Within
SD>an hour...11,000.  By day's end...260,000.

SD>Before you go to bed two nights from now, the net growth in human
SD>numbers will be enough to fill a city the size of San Francisco.

SD>It took four million years for humanity to reach the 2 billion mark.
SD>Only 30 years to add a third billion.  And now we;re increasing by 95
SD>million every single year.

SD>No wonder they call it the human race."


SD>Sam's note:  to be fair, I'd question if they take into account the
SD>death rates, epecifically the infant mortality rate.  Still, their point
SD>is valid:  overpopulation is more of a problem than non-procreation.
SD>---
SD> . RNet 1.08I:ILink: Invention Factory BBS . New York . NY . 212 274-8110
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Hetero Jealousy Re: a question
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:14:03 EST

In article <11DEC199217474702@zeus.tamu.edu> Zekeman@do.not.hate.me.because.you.know.I.am.right.PRO.HETERO.edu writes:
>>	I'd like to do the same things heterosexuals do every day. 
>> 
>>--
>>Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
>>2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
>>Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
>>+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu 
>
>I would like to see your wierdo homosexual perverted silly lifestyle do only
>one thing that heterosexuals are capable of;
>
>I would like to see you sodomize you butt-buddy and have children!
>Jee, I guess that you will have to adopt, (too bad), but hey there is hope!
>
>If you can adopt a young son about the  kindergarten or 1rst grade age or
>younger, maybe you could brain wash him into being a future butt-buddy when
>he is an adult.  Why not, the educational system in New York seems to be doing
>the same thing!
>

I hope you didn't trip over your knuckles when you loped away from
your screen. 

As for NY-bashing: I hope you do visit New York and the fine folks
at Poer Authority or Penn Station recognize you for the tourist
you are. (Anyone from New Jack will see this as the Gypsy curse it 
is).

Chris



Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: ASPDL@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Me bashing.
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:38:50 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Ethan,
  I too am a straight who reads and have posted to this group.  I too have
made it clear that I am straight in each of my posts. (eg. above)  Why?
Perhaps it IS a fear of being labeled gay.  Not because I care whether others
think I have sex with men, but because I see the discrimination they go
through, and *that* I don't want to face.  Don't let one guy flaming you
through E-mail turn you away.  You have as much right to be here as any of
us straights, even the gay bashers who occasionally wander in.  Personally,
I liked your .sig and again, you have the right to put anything you want
in that .sig file.  So far, the gay guys who have responded to my posts
have been cool people who I have carried on a friendly dialog with.
*I* haven't (yet) been flamed for advertising my heterosexuality.  Perhaps
the guys who flamed you are just insecure about hets.  Don't let two
opinions out of several thousands intimidate you.  It's a free country
(for us, anyway) and we need to be active to keep it that way (and make it
that way for those who still face discrimination).  Have an ice day.

Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: "Shane A. Johns" <sjohns@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual BBS in Midwest
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:38:10 -0500

Hello all.  I am running a Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual BBS and am in need of
some callers.  We have tons of .gif and .jpg files for your viewing
pleasures, as well as on-line games, and such.  If you are game, and
are sick of high file-transfer credit ratios, give us a call at
812-857-0069.  You will need a modem and some kind of personal computer
to access this BBS.  And, if you are calling Long Distance, upon 
voice-verification via. collect call, you will be given a credit-free
account -- ie. no worry about uploading files.
From: Zeke@Gays.should.be.in.the.military.so.they.can.be.casualties.of.war
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: How do you like my *postscript*?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:40 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

---------------------------------------------------------------
|The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
|       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
|    ***          ***      They call me bigotted,             |
|  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
| **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
|**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
|**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
|**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
| ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
|  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
|    ***    \/   ***                                          |
|       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: F5-E subscriptions ??
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 

JE>In a previous article, steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) says:

>What is F5-E??????

JE>Factsheet Five, electronic.
JE>it is an electronic version of the now defunct zin eof zines, Factsheet
JE>Five.

OK....Excuse me for being ignorant on this matter
BUT what is zin eof zines, Factsheet Five................???

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Just curious...and slightly interested.
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (James A. Murray)
Subject: Re: Me bashing.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:14:31 GMT

eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu  writes:
> 
> 
> Curiosity?  The only reason I'm here is to.... hell, I don't even *know* why 
> I'm here.  Mainly it's just to show that there are straights out there that 
> *do* support homosexuality.  I don't know.  But curiosity is WAAAY down there 
> on the list, not a major motivating factor.
> 
> 
> Hell.... I usually wear a leather jacket with combat boots and have a mohawk.  
> I could care less.  I just prefer to keep from misrepresenting myself.
> 
> ETHAN

Thanks for the support and I am glad that I now have a little
more information other than that you are strayt.  I do have one
question:  If you could care less, why should you care about
being misrepresented?
--
James A. Murray                    |  Certe, Toto, sentio nos in
University of Virginia             |  Kansate non iam adesse. 
jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.edu       |    		-Dorothea
Compuserve: 71022,1000             |
From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: new post
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:55:51 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Libraries
NNTP-Posting-Host: standdx26.kerr.orst.edu

Hey it is great to have net access!

I am new to this group and since this is my first attempt to communicate 
here I do not really have anything earth shattering to say.

Well, there I have gone and done it.  I have spoiled the only chance at a 
grand first impression.  Sigh.  I guess I will just have to live with my 
reputation for the rest of my existence.

Anyone have any ideas on how long that will be?

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: iakob@iesd.auc.dk (Inger Marie B. Jakobsen)
Subject: marriage
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Distribution: alt
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:46:37


Just to satisfy my ccuriosity (and to start a discussion on this
group). Does any churches but the danish allow marriage between to
persons of the same sex? In Denmark, the minister can refuse to
perform the marriage if it's against his (or her) religion, but the
church allow it. What is the general opnion on the subject.
--

                                |
iakob@iesd.auc.dk		|   Abandon the search for Truth
Aalborg Universitet		|   Settle for a good fantasy.
9000 Aalborg			|         _   _   _   _   _  oo
				|      \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \/''
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: a question
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:43:34 GMT

In article <92346.093431MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu> <MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>i am writing to this group again because of one particular issue that was raise
>d by <Bz1xFq.771@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>. the suggestion that was made to the peopl
>e of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly the bo
>ycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do NOT have a
> right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably they will be puni
>shed (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!


Do we not have the freedom of speech to say, or the freedom of choice to do
whatever we want?  If we DON'T want to buy/go to/etc things from Colorado,
that's our right.  Now, the people in Colorado have a choice.  They can
ignore our boycott and keep the law.  However, we then have the choice of 
trying to bankrupt a state.  

Isn't Amaerica wonderful?


                       /                  /  
                      /                  /        
     __      __      /   __      __     /         
    /  \    /  \    /   /  \    /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /\__/   /   /\__/   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
   \__/\__/\___/__/\__/\___/__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick

             Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Bill Jenkins <wcj1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Me bashing.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.061221.16873@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> James A.
Murray, jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU writes:
>	I have misplaced my statistics, however, it seems that
>many of the most vocal denouncers of gays do so to overcome
>their own feelings for members of the same sex.  While may who

>	Maybe it is the fear of labeling and the stigma and
>persecution that comes with having sexual feelings for your own
>sex.

	Yeah, yeah, yeah.  But is it really fair to try and out Ethan,
especially when he says he is straight.  I understand the politics of
outing and everything, but I really think that is something that should
be used cautiously, at least in an instance like this.  And besides, you
did say 'most'.  And Ethan is 16.  I am sure most queers at that age go
about proudly proclaming their sexuality at that time...yeah, right
again.  I am not saying Ethan is or isn't, but who are we to say that he
is?  Are we his analyst or anything remotely closely attached to him at
all.  No.  So, give him a break and stop being bitchy queens.

BillJ
~~~~~
Bill Jenkins   wcj1@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: a question
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:04:19 EST

In article <92346.093431MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu> <MCS128@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>i am writing to this group again because of one particular issue that was raise
>d by <Bz1xFq.771@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>. the suggestion that was made to the peopl
>e of colorado was that they go back and reconsider their vote or clearly the bo
>ycott would remain. this suggests that the citizens of that state do NOT have a
> right to vote the way they feel and if they vote unfavorably they will be puni
>shed (financially). where is the freedom of speech now?!

Right where it has always been--in the Bill of Rights. Of course,
they still have the right to say, through legislation, anything
that pops into their heads. We just have the right not to buy anything
from bigots.

Funny about all those people talking about the freedom of speech.
It is, again, in the Bills of Rights. The idea of using one part of 
the Bill of Rights to deny those same rights to a group of people is
just pitiful. 

Chris
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: HOMOphobia
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 13:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec5.005659.20422@pellns.alleg.edu> bio212@carn24.alleg.edu (Biology212Mumme) writes:
>You're lifestyles are immoral and degrading.

Immorality defined only by you and your ilk, but, you ARE entitled to your own
narrow-minded consciousness..

You can't _degrade_ that of which is by _consent_. Get a clue, here. What you
THINK about homosexuality does not matter to me. Just make sure you do not
interfere with my right to pursue it with a consenting adult. (remember "life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?)  Step on my toes here, and I will
demonstrate FULLY what _degrading_ is so that you'll NEVER forget.
t
-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: marriage
From: sbrack@jupiter (Steve Brack)
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:51:31 EST
Reply-To: sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu 
Distribution: world 
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iakob@iesd.auc.dk (Inger Marie B. Jakobsen) writes:
: 
: Just to satisfy my ccuriosity (and to start a discussion on this
: group). Does any churches but the danish allow marriage between to
: persons of the same sex? 
: 
	In the U.S, same sex marriages are not recognized by the state, 
	but some religious denominations still perform the religious
	ceremony.  The most well known of these is the Christian 
	denomination I belong to, Metropolitan Community Church.  The
	church performs ceremonies, called "Holy Unions," for couples 
	wishing to be married, regardless of their gender.  

	An interesting side note is that since every state sets its own
	laws as to who may marry, any state can decide to allow same-sex 
	marriages, and by reciprocal agreement, all other states will 
	be bound to recognize the marriage as well.

	The law in Ohio defines men over a certain age and women over a 
	certain agae as "persons who may marry," but does not specifically
	state that the persons who may marry must be of different genders.
	All it would take is a mandamus action in an Ohio court to force
	recognition of the legality of gay marriages in Ohio.  Any lawyers
	willing to do some pro bono work?  *evil grin* 

--
Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (James A. Murray)
Subject: Re: 'phobe parent, help!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:35:27 GMT

To the lady with the wicked stepfather,
	It is basically your choice. You must weigh the amount
of pain you are willing to endure, make your decision, and take
it from there.  The choices between family and friends is never
an easy one. If Michael is your friend, he will understand that
your decision, either way, was not an easy one.
	One thing to remember is that the feelings that your
stepfather and mother have toward gay people is their problem.
Their arguing is their behavior; not yours, and you do not need
to feel the shame for their behavior.  
	Financial support is often a factor.  I hope that they
do not hold this over your head, if they do then they are
blackmailers..pure and simple.  If they withhold their love and
caring because of your association with another person, they
are emotional blackmailers.  They participate in a subtle and
mean form of emotional abuse.
	I come from a family of blackmailers, emotionally
abusive people.  I love them, they are my family, it took me
many years to understand why they act the way that they do.  I
accept this, I can not change them, as much as I want.  When
they ask for the light of truth and knowledge, I hope that I am
there for them...but they have to want it first or my efforts
are like shining a flashlight down a bottomless well...you
never see an end to it.	
	If you must go home and see the family, do so proudly,
do what you feel is right.  If it means not seeing Michael for
the duration, so be it. Don't lie about things, it only
complicates matters.  If you decide you must see your friend
and are asked directly, give a direct answer...but know that
there are consequences for your behavior
	You will survive..remember that it's not forever.
Love and Hugs
Jim
--
James A. Murray                    |  Certe, Toto, sentio nos in
University of Virginia             |  Kansate non iam adesse. 
jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.edu       |    		-Dorothea
Compuserve: 71022,1000             |
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Bleeding heart liberals
Date: 12 Dec 1992 02:22:15 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <lii2p8INNmum@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Hey *I* like it!  Incidentally, today at lunch Mssrs. Banta,
>Scearce and I decided that "Atlanta Dagos" would actually be 
>a pretty cool name for a ball team.

I, personally, would not be distressed to find myself rooting for the
Yonkers Yids.

c