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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:44:35 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921012125226.256@ACSNovell1.uta.edu> donahoe@acsnovell1.uta.edu writes:
>    I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
>thinks), and all that is marked on the prescription bottle, (besides
>the doctor's name, dosage, and her name) is the word ZOLOFT.  I have
>tried to find this in the 1992 editions of the PDR, Merck's, USAN,
>AHFS, and other guides.  There seems to be no entry as either a
>product name or generic name.  Also, no phychotropic listings that
>are even closely spelled or phonectically close to ZOLOFT.  Anyone
>know what this stuff is?  It really alters her mood (makes her horny
>as a mink).  Really like some info on contraindications and
>interactions.

This is discussed in sci.med regularly--when we get a FAQ put together
that will be helpful.

Zoloft is the tradename for sertraline, a recently approved
antidepressant which acts in a manner similar to Prozac (fluoxetine).
It prevents the reuptake of serotonin at synapses, effectively raising
the activity of serotonergic neurons.  The effects of serotonergic
systems on sexual drive and function are complex and also seem to be
somewhat individual- ized.  Serotonin reuptake inhibitors not
infrequently (say 10-20% of patients, both men and women) can
experience "anorgasmia", meaning an inability to reach orgasm, or in
milder cases, a delay in reaching orgasm.  This is not the same as
impotence in men--people experiencing this side effect still can get
erections just fine.  Some others report changes in libido, either an
increase or a decrease.  What your girlfriend reports is not unheard of.
Serotonergic antidepressants can have strange effects sometimes; the
tricyclic antidepressant clomipramine (Anafranil) in one case report
was claimed to produce an orgasm every time a woman sneezed.  In the
woman, that is...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: u9038752@cc.uow.edu.au (roger bolton)
Subject: Re: Why are drugs illegal?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 08:11:07 GMT

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:


>I know this should've gone in alt.drugs or talk.politics.drugs, but I just
>can't subscribe to another group! (:

>Anyway, a simple question: Why are drugs illegal?  Why, when caffeine does
>significantly more damage than LSD?  What are the reasons for outlawing these
>things?

>-- 
>Sam Hulick          | "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to
>shulick@indiana.edu | hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the
>(NeXTmail welcome)  | essence of inhumanity."  --George Bernard Shaw
Primarily economic and political reasons, (i.e. certain people make money
off the current situation (organised crime, police&DEA from civil forfeiture,
various others), and those with the power to change the rules have
usually got vested interests not to do so. (ie George Bush's shares in
a major pharmaceutical company, etc, etc).
Try and obtain 'The emporer wears no clothes' by Jack Herer (availible from
NORML) or do some research in a libary.
later
eldritch
Xref: sparky alt.psychoactives:1367 sci.med:19207
From: nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Nathan F. Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
Subject: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:19:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ennews.1992Oct15.091955.10888
Organization: Arizona State University

There has been some discussion about a new antidepressant drug
on the market called "Zoloft".  I could probably get this
information from my pharmacist, but does anyone know how the
drug's cost compares to Prozac?  Also, what are the relative
advantages/disadvantages compared to Prozac?

I have been using Prozac for about one year now, and after the
initial hell (I had never quite felt as scared as on the night of
my fourth dose), I have adjusted.  It seems to work quite well.

Thanks.


--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Nathan F. Watson                             Arizona State University
nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu                Computer Science Department
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Re: Customs and Smart Drugs
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: Gainfully unemployed
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:49:09 GMT

In article <81339@ut-emx.uucp> jamesmc@ut-emx.uucp (James McCartney) writes:
>   Someone here a few articles back made mention of customs intercepting
>smart drug shipments on order from the FDA.  Could someone repost what is
>happening here?  I was wondering if the same rules applied to drugs purchased
>in Mexico.  Does anyone know what the customs laws are for over the counter
>drugs purchased in Mexico?  Have they recently changed?

[Hydergine experience omitted.]

I dunno about Smart Drugs, but here's an interesting snippet from an article
that appeared on the front page of last Sunday's L.A. Times "Travel" section,
sub-titled "Tijuana: In Search of Night Life":

	If it's wrinkle-smoothing Retin-A or the hair-restorer Minoxidil you
	want - without a prescription - we found both widely available in
	pharmacies as well as department stores.  We noticed a 30-gram tube of
	Johnson&Johnson Retin-A in .05% strength selling for less than $7 and
	a two-ounce bottle of Rogaine (or Minoxidil) selling for $6.

	Prescription drugs such as Retin-A, Minoxidil, AZT and pain killers
	are sold over the counter in Mexico.  And, you can legally return to
	the U.S. with them.  According to John Miller, a public affairs
	specialist with the U.S.  Dept. of Customs, "If it's legal to sell the
	drug in Mexico and there is no FDA prohibition of the drug in the
	United States, then it's admissible to bring the drug into the United
	States in personal-use quantities, even if it has been purchased in
	Mexico without a prescription".

------- End of Included Article

Hope this is of use.  When I next get to TJ, I'll look for Piracetam et al.
just as soon as I score my Rogaine fix (-:
From: sex@chopin.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Robotussin DM
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:05:46 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

I have done Robo-DM a couple of times, with doses of 8 oz.  The effects are 
like a heavy trip with less hallucinations.  The world is viewed from
a parallel universe where the only people who understand you and who
you understand are the people who you want to do so.  I usually take it
with a few friends and we go out and wander around.  Time dilates.
Everything seems very clean and happy.  You just don't give a shit.
It is actually very pleasant.  One word of advice, however.  Stay away 
from the extra strength variety.  The extra strength also contain alcohol as 
well as some other fillers that tend to make one sick. (ie. vomiting, 
nausua, etc)  Take the Robo, (or generic brand) with 10mg Dextromethorophan-
Hydrobromide.  The average dose should start around 6 oz for a 
normal adult sized human.  You usually don't feel too bad the next day.
It is something that I would suggest trying if you are into mind-
altering things........DM does not really cause any unwanted 
side effects, so try it yourself, try it with a friend.
The second is advised, since you tend to take off with someone
else mentally.  When you are by yourself, you tend to feel more 
isolated and it's just not as fun (I've never done it by myself,
this comes from someone who has.)
Anyway, give it a try.....
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

Sean Donohoe asks:

"    I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
thinks), and all that is marked on the prescription bottle, (besides
the doctor's name, dosage, and her name) is the word ZOLOFT.  I have
tried to find this in the 1992 editions of the PDR, Merck's, USAN,
AHFS, and other guides.  There seems to be no entry as either a
product name or generic name.  Also, no phychotropic listings that
are even closely spelled or phonectically close to ZOLOFT.  Anyone
know what this stuff is?  It really alters her mood (makes her horny
as a mink).  Really like some info on contraindications and
interactions."
Zoloft (sertraline) is manufactured by Pfizer. It was approved by the
FDA and went on sale in February of this year. You can find references
in the MEDLINE database on CompuServe or through your university
library. (Try sertraline) 
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:56:31 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 01:51:29 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

| There's a lot of evidence that the sleep-inducing effects of megadoses
| of tryptophan are not sustained; that they disappear over the space of
| a few days or a week.  Tryptophan or any other dietary AA
| neurotransmitter precursors haven't been shown to have any useful
| effects in any other conditions,

Well, the difference between an effect and a side-effect is, of course,
in the intent of the beholder.

But having gotten you to move your position from "nonsense" to
"drowsiness as a well known side-effect", I'll declare victory and
move on.  (:-{)>

Best Wishes

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 


Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.
        -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: Ed_Meyer@mindlink.bc.ca (Ed Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:09:17 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Sean Donahoe writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.921012125226.256@ACSNovell1.uta.edu>
> Posted: 12 Oct 1992 12:52:49 -05
>
> Org.  : UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
>
>     I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
> ...
>


Sean,

My wife, who is and has been a professional therapist for almost 15
years, wanted to add some comments to Steve Dyer's message (Re: Zoloft?,
dyer@spdcc.com) which began "Zoloft is the tradename for sertraline, ..."
She cautions as follows:

If Steve's assessment is correct, re. Zoloft's ability to be placed in
the same catagory as Prozac (fluoxetine), I would offer a caution: any
new drug appears to be treated as a "god-send" for at least the first
year on the market.  Needless to say, side-effects can be expected in
many areas.

For example, Prozac (fluoxetine) has been widely used, and more and more
people are having serious problems with severe joint pains, swelling of
the lower limbs, and burning and tingling in fingers and arms.  As of this
time we are unaware of the long-lasting side effects of Prozac which, just
a short time ago, was hailed as a near "end-all-be-all" anti-depressant.

You may also be interested to know that there is a part of the brain that,
when stimulated, creates sexual desire.  If this part of the brain is
overstimulated, it can create an insatiable desire for sex.  Seeing that
Zoloft is new, we really don't yet fully know nor understand its side-
effects: user beware.

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Two Anti-Depressants
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:21:02 GMT

In article <22796@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe) writes:
>	I'm looking for information on two serotonergic antidepressants:
>anafranil and trazidon (also called desiril, I believe).  What effects on  
>drowsiness, reaction with alcohol, mental rumination, etc. do they have?   
>I do know that a very small percentage ( >1% ) of trazidon users  
>experience priapism -- a hard-on that just won't quit.  Has anyone had  
>experience with either drug?

Desyrel (trazodone) is very sedative.  It would not be a great idea to
take this with alcohol.  It is also rather infrequently used in men because
of the chance of priapism.  Anafranil (clorimipramine) is used in the US
mainly as a treatment for OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder), though it
is also an effective antidepressant.  Its interaction with alcohol probably
depends on the individual.  Many people can drink moderately while on
tricyclic antidepressants, of which clorimipramine is one.  Some others
can't.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:32:33 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921012125226.256@ACSNovell1.uta.edu> donahoe@acsnovell1.uta.edu writes:
>    I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
>thinks), and all that is marked on the prescription bottle, (besides
>the doctor's name, dosage, and her name) is the word ZOLOFT.  I have

Wait a minute.  She is taking a psychotropic medication without
knowing its *general therapeutic category*? 

>Really like some info on contraindications and
>interactions.

And without having been told of interactions or side effects?

I think there's a certain lack of effective physician-patient
communication here.  Either that or we're missing some information.
Please, tell your friend to talk to her doctor about what this stuff
is she's taking.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu




Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: sex@brahms.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis)
Subject: Re: Robotussin DM
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:32:40 GMT

I have done either Pathatussin (PathMark Brand) or actual Robotussin.
Either of these I have found to be relatively gentle on the 
digestive system.  The Robotussin took far more effect.
I once took a generic drug store brand with a couple friends
of mine and all four of us heaved the product within two hours.
We aren't sure what it was that caused us to throw up this one time,
though we think it was probably the alcohol content.  I would suggest
checking for alcohol content before your purchase.  I know many people 
who have taken it and usually there are no ill effects.
I think that it was just the brand you took.


Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Subject: Re: is this the right place?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:20:40 GMT

Scott A. Boag posts:

"I had thought that alt.psycoactives would have
information about anti-depressants (I did see some
stuff in the excelent series about tri-cyclates).
For the most part this forum seems more interested
in recreational drugs.  I also couldn't find a news
group that related to anxiety and depression
disorders.  This surprises me since there are so
many people suffering from these maladies.  Since I
would like to hear about other's experiences, can
anyone point me in a direction, or is this it?
Thanks."	

Try sci.med.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: joemac@eff.org (KSC)
Subject: Re: Xochi Stack 1.0 (MDMA/LSD/XOCHIPILLI)
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:39:12 GMT

I'll try and get Xochi Stack 1.0 on eff.org.  I looked in comp.binaries.mac
for the stack but didn't see it.  Can it be ftp'd yet?  Also, does the
"Xochi Speaks" poster come from you?

--joe

                I G N O T U M  P E R  I G N O T I U S                     
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:52:41 GMT

Steven



nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Nathan F. Watson) writes:

>There has been some discussion about a new antidepressant drug
>on the market called "Zoloft".  I could probably get this
>information from my pharmacist, but does anyone know how the
>drug's cost compares to Prozac?  Also, what are the relative
>advantages/disadvantages compared to Prozac?

>I have been using Prozac for about one year now, and after the
>initial hell (I had never quite felt as scared as on the night of
>my fourth dose), I have adjusted.  It seems to work quite well.

>Thanks.


>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Nathan F. Watson                             Arizona State University
>nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu                Computer Science Department
From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Xochi Stack 1.0 (MDMA/LSD/XOCHIPILLI)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:08:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <joemac-081092114318@192.88.144.214>, joemac@eff.org (KSC) writes:
> I'll try and get Xochi Stack 1.0 on eff.org.  I looked in comp.binaries.mac
> for the stack but didn't see it.  Can it be ftp'd yet?  Also, does the
> "Xochi Speaks" poster come from you?
> 

Xochi Stack 1.0 can be obtained via anonymous ftp from uwec.edu 
in the misc directory.


                            The Drug War:  Witch hunt '92 
                            ==============================
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: T.Z.
Subject: Re: Robotussin DM
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:57:56 GMT

In article <BvqJHM.943@news.udel.edu> sex@chopin.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis)
writes:
>I have done Robo-DM a couple of times, with doses of 8 oz.  The effects are 
>like a heavy trip with less hallucinations.  The world is viewed from
>a parallel universe where the only people who understand you and who
>you understand are the people who you want to do so.  I usually take it
>with a few friends and we go out and wander around.  Time dilates.
>Everything seems very clean and happy.  You just don't give a shit.
>It is actually very pleasant.  One word of advice, however.  Stay away 
>from the extra strength variety.  The extra strength also contain alcohol as 
>well as some other fillers that tend to make one sick. (ie. vomiting, 
>nausua, etc)  Take the Robo, (or generic brand) with 10mg Dextromethorophan-
>Hydrobromide.  The average dose should start around 6 oz for a 
>normal adult sized human.  You usually don't feel too bad the next day.
>It is something that I would suggest trying if you are into mind-
>altering things........DM does not really cause any unwanted 
>side effects, so try it yourself, try it with a friend.
>The second is advised, since you tend to take off with someone
>else mentally.  When you are by yourself, you tend to feel more 
>isolated and it's just not as fun (I've never done it by myself,
>this comes from someone who has.)
>Anyway, give it a try.....
>
>
   I tried it last night at 6pm.  At 7:30 I threw up all of it. I had drank
about 7 oz.  Mostly I felt as though I were drunk except w/out the dizziness. 
I can still feel it this morning at 11:00.  I would suggest that if you do try
this that you make sure you have at least 24 hours.
Also I felt like sleeping a lot (which I did).  I hope this light headed
feeling wears off.  It would be wierd to go through life feeling this way.	The
juice was generic 'Tussin' and cost about $2.80 for two four ounce bottles. 
The taste wasn't too bad but I probably won't do it again.  I didn't experience
any hallucinations .
From: 471-5@.arizona.edu (Shane Jimerfield)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: ritalin and THC
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:24:49 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Originator: 471-5@air.atmo.arizona.edu

Has anyone ever heard of a bad cross-reaction between Ritalin and THC.
I think that I observed such a reaction last night.  The subject began
sweating profusely a few minutes after inhaling two bong hits (medium
grade weed), he has been taking ritalin (40 mg/day) for the last four
months.  He was in a state that generally resembled a bad trip for about
2 hours at which time he became very sleepy and went to sleep.  Just
wanted to know if anyone out there had heard of such a thing before and
to let you all know to look out for it.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
Subject: Re:  Ad For Mailorder Nootropics
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 08:21:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.230842.21446@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>I've received about two dozen e-mail postings from people I don't
>know who want further details on the foreign mailorder drug company
>that I mentioned in this thread. If I were to reply to each of you,
>it would amount to a part-time job.

Why don't you answer the e-mail questions here in alt.psychoactives?
You're being pretty damned selfish asking for information but witholding
you're own.

(Which of the nootropics is causing this behavior, anyway?  I'll
try to avoid it.  :-)


-- 
Nick Szabo					 szabo@techboook.com
Hold Your Nose: vote Republocrat  ////////  Breathe Free: vote Libertarian
From: jamesmc@ut-emx.uucp (James McCartney)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: customs and smart drugs
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:18:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


   Someone here a few articles back made mention of customs intercepting
smart drug shipments on order from the FDA. Could someone repost what is
happening here? I was wondering if the same rules applied to drugs purchased
in Mexico. Does anyone know what the customs laws are for over the counter
drugs purchased in Mexico? Have they recently changed? I had a chance to try
hydergine recently. I got two 4.5 mg tablets took one on a sunday night
and noticed no effect. The next morning I took the other one expecting
nothing. I experienced a pleasant state of awareness all day with a
definite peak about 4 hours after taking it. I was perfectly cogent
and was quite productive in the debugging of a program I was working on.
Visually things seemed more clear and sparkley than normal. This seems 
odd in that it is contrary to what is said in the MONDO 2000 article
that it may take several weeks to notice the effects of hydergine.
Definitely better than coffee for stimulating thought. Anyway, I might
be interested in getting more if it is completely legit with customs.
I haven't had good experiences with customs most likely due to my hair
length. 'Here let's bust open these musical instruments to see if there
are any drugs inside!  .. Nope .. Well, here's the pieces buddy.'

   --- james mccartney    -- out of mind? outta sight!
From: dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Smart Drinks...
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:16:43 PST
Organization: BBS

Can someone point me in the right direction for a FTP site for a Smar Drink FAQ
or, alternatively (and much better), could someone post it directly to this
newsgroup or e-mail me?...Much appreciated folks.

dlaird@terapin.com
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives