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From: dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Calibers for Long Distance Shooting
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:39:20 GMT
Organization: BGSU University Computer Services

Is this gun going to be sed for hunting or competition ?? Using 7mm will
make you ineligable for some of the biggest 1000 yard matches. But a gun in
.308 could be used across the course (200-600) and long range (600 - 1000).

As for .50 BMG, it's fun but the cost is still to high.
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 PISTOL
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:03:49 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss) writes:
#OK, he is my situation - I ordered a .308 Howa barreled action with the
#intent of cutting it down to make a .308 pistol (like the Rem XP100
#series)  I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
#the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
#overall length of a rifle.  Is this true?  If so how does Remington
#and others make their XP type pistols legal?   ...

  I had a long talk with a BATF agent about exactly these questions.
I was interested in stuff concerning the T/C Contender.  My
interpretation of what I was told was that the legal problem is that
the receiver (legally this is the gun) was licensed as a rifle, not
as a handgun.  Therefore if you put a short barrel on it (or cut the
barrel short) then you are making a "short barreled rifle".  I don't
know how one would go about changing the registration of this receiver
to be a handgun - but I'm sure that one would then have to go though
the proper steps for buying a handgun.  I suspect that a properly
licensed gunsmith could use this action/receiver to "manufacture" a
handgun and then follow the legalities of transferring this handgun
to you.

  I suggest that you call the BATF and ask about this.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: smpod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 308 Baer
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:02:42 GMT
Organization: who knows

I was perusing through a recent issue of Precision Shooting, specifically
the results for a 1000-yd benchrest match.  It seems that the 308Baer is one
of the favorite calibers for these matches.  Does anyone have any info on this
cartridge.  I am also interested in getting some info on the 30 Goodling,
30 ACE and 30.378.
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Calibers for Long Distance Shooting
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:21:30 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

Could you elaborate on the very low drag "vld" bullets? Thanks.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: tmoore@wildwood.tinton.ccur.com (Tim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Cooper/Gunsite  (was Re: First Gun Suggestions?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:02:29 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corporation

I have a friend who teaches at Gunsite.  If I recall correctly, the Col. sold
the place to some Doctor or Dentist buddy.  This guy then hired Cooper to run
the place.  Cooper doesn't handle the day to day business end of the biz but
controls what, how and who is taught/teaches.  He is still the boss as far as
I know.

-Tim
From: kmarko@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice Wanted:  CC
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:17 GMT
Organization: None in Particular

Well, thanks everyone for all the advice, but I thought I would let everyone
know what I'm going to try for now.

It just so happens we had a big gun show here over the weekend (actually
the biggest show of the year), so I had a chance to play with a lot of
handguns.  Since I'm physically pretty big, I have a little more leeway
than most for what is really concealable, and I had narrowed the choice
down to two scenarios:  a compact 9mm (leaning towards a S&W 3913) or
a short-barrel .38spl or .357 Magnum (most likely a S&W model 60 or 66).

Well, I found a used Ruger Security-6 .357, 2.5" at the show in excellent
shape for a great price, so that's what I'm going to try for now.  My 
rationale is:

	* The gun came with two sets of grips, the standard Ruger wood which 
	  are quite small (and thus compact, but proably hurt like mad when
	  using Magnums, but for defense, who cares), and some nice
	  Pachmayr (or imitation) grips which will be great for practice.
	  It also has a 6 round cylinder, adjustible sights and came with 
	  a nice Bianchi (leather) holster.

	* It's stainless...almost a must for a carry gun.

	* The Ruger is very well built and should handle .357's with no
	  problem (something I wasn't so sure of with some of the smaller
	  S&W's).  Note:  I'll probably shoot .38 +P's or light-load .357's
	  in this most of the time anyway, but I didn't want to have to 
	  worry about the gun when I decide to use 125gr. JHPs.

	* Even though I prefer SA's, I decided I'd rather have a revolver
	  for a potentially high-stress situation.  I'll keep a couple of
	  full speed loaders with the gun (and practice using them) to 
	  compensate for the reduced capacity (as if I expect to ever need
	  more than six rounds).

	* With the smaller wood grips, I can probably carry this in an
	  inside-the-pant ('Fruit of the Loom') holster without too much
	  discomfort.  It will certainly fit nicely in a Beretta belt or
	  fanny pack.

I'm still going to try out the 3913 whenever I find someone that has one
around here, but for now I'm looking forward working with the Security-6.

Kurt Marko
Xref: sparky rec.guns:13742 talk.politics.guns:21653
From: gaucher%beryllium.cchem.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Penetrating ability of 38 Sp and 9mm
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:40:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

I'd like to know what the penetration ability
of standard 38 Special and 9mm FMJ target loads 
would be in terms of various target materials:

              phone books
              newspaper
              wood

I suppose we could assume a muzzle velocity of
approximately 1100 fps. Any information which
someone could furnish pertaining to sound levels
of such ammunition would also be helpful.
Please reply by e-mail. Thank you.

Lee Gaucher
gaucher@beryllium.cchem.berkeley.edu
From: mikego@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Gerald Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 30-30 wanted !!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.9210061322.AA03347



	Yes I'm looking for a rifle for my 16 yr old son.  I would like to 
	buy a side eject 30-30 either Winchester or Marlin.
	I am willing to pay $75.00.

	Likewise.....

	I have a Weaver 4-12 power Rifle Scope that I want to trade for a 
	Rifle.

	Please call mike goodwin @ W 503-627-6624 or H 206-254-8067
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:28:07 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) writes:

#You might also look into a Yugoslavian SIG clone (SIG-alike??  SIG-along??)
#made by Zastava called the CZ-99. This is a SIG-P226 clone.  There is
#also a model CZ-40 in .40 S&W...
#went and looked at one (CZ-99) and was disappointed in the trigger.  
#...It looks very much like a SIG, and it will fit SIG holsters.  The slide
#appears cast/milled instead of the SIG stamped/rolled/welded.  There

	This is no bad feature, imo.   What is there to prefer about 
a stamped slide?

#The bad news is, you won't pick one up for under $400.  I forget the
#price on the one I saw, but I think it was under $600, including
#tritium night sights (non-adjustable).  The price includes two
#magazines.

	Just buy the sig, for that price!

#I've never fired one, and only handled it briefly, so I won't make any
#firm statements.  Just that you might check it out yourself before
#deciding.

#I guess I fall into tha category of those who want a SIG without paying
#the full SIG price.

	Oh, another one of those.  Then you will never be happy untill
you buy an Astra A-100 (or 80 or 90), and if you already have one, then
you must buy another!


#  Alan S. Watt

Jim Del Vecchio
(An Astra owner who fully understands that he needs to also own
a SIG 220 (&226), and a CZ-75, and a Glock).
From: wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:20:58 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <9209261635.AA29291@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi) writes:
#
#If you take a Glock and replace its Safe-Action operating system with a
#squeeze cocker ala H&K, it's still a Glock; i.e. it still has all the
#other features of a Glock, but it's a bit safer in practice since you
#can make it "safe."  Ditto with simply giving it a frame-mounted safety.
#The latter shouldn't be too difficult an engineering problem, and one
#could always choose to ignore it in use, leaving him with the original
#Glock operating system.  It'd certainly ease a lot of minds unaccustomed
#to the thought of holstering  what essentially acts as a Condition
#Zero piece.  If I recall correctly, this was Massad Ayoob's only beef
#with the Glock.

Since the Glock system gives you, in practice, the exact same safety
as a transfer bar equipped revolver, and most people have little concern
about holster carrying loaded revolvers, I fail to see the issue. *If*
you are terrified of carrying a loaded revolver, *then* I can see that
the Glock is not for you. The Glock was designed to be a revolver 
replacement with more firepower for police and personal defense use.
Manual safeties are not popular on revolvers, so there isn't one on
the Glock either.

Gary
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Last of the Mohicans Artillery
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:21:18 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Oct1.015913.29338@netcom.com> tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
#Seriously, does anyone here have any comments on the artillery in the siege
#scenes?  It seemed fairly realistic.  Except perhaps for the fact that most
#of the pieces didn't seem to recoil much.  Hmm, perhaps they weren't
#actually shotted?

I'm not sure how they were _used_, but the design of the cannons had
at least one, obvious, glaring flaw: I know the guy who designed these
props, and he makes a habit of including at least one such flaw in
every project he's involved in (on the grounds that this is realistic,
and he's never seen a _real_ piece of any sort of equipment without 
that kind of problem...)

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
From: leem@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Lee Mellinger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Wear on 92FS barrel
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:45:48 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)

In article <1992Oct2.015305.864@palm.com> palm!ain@netcom.com (Ain McKendrick) writes:
:
:A question for Beretta 92 owners:
:
:   I recently purchased a blued 92FS.  After putting a couple hundred rounds
:through it, I have started to notice some wear on the barrel just aft of the 
:front sight (where the slide passes over the barrel).  
:I'm concerned whether this is a normal condition or not?
:- Ain

This is absolutely normal, every blued Beretta 92 I have seen has this
kind of wear mark.  It does not affect the functioning in any way.
A
"Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei."

|Lee F. Mellinger                 Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA
|4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/354-1163  FTS 792-1163     
|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV

: 
:
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock adoption
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:02:22 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Oct3.003922.5337@latcs1.lat.oz.au> jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:
#	Has the Glock been adopted by any large organization, police-force or
#military?

Glock's first big sale was to the Austrian military. The Norwegian army
hasa also adopted it, as have several American police departments (I think 
Miami was the first.)

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Australian Gun Regs
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:36 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa


Can anyone provide an outline of Aussi firearms registration/ownership
laws or regulations?   I've an engineer buddy who's got the possibility
of a contract out there.  As a keen shooter, he'd like some info.

I imagine that there are Federal and State regs, the latter are probably
the most important for this question.  The states involved are Tasmania,
New South Wales and Victoria.

Please e-mail, if there is sufficient interest, I'll summarise.

Thanks,
Keith Coman
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Calibers for Long Distance Shooting
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:30 GMT
Organization: who knows

In article <dlamber-300992235106@m248-99.bgsu.edu>, dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert) writes...
#I still think for the money .308 Win is an excellent cartridge for 1000
#yards. You can build on any type of reciever ( Long/Short ) , brass is
#cheap and Serria makes a great 155gr BTHP for it.

If you read through the reloading section of the Sierra manual on rifle, they
mention the 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 308 Norma Mag and the .30-338 as very
good 1000 yd bench and target calibers.
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Proper Shooting Technique
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:16:56 GMT


In <ras.13@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov>,
ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) asked:
#when do you pull the trigger-- when
#the lungs are full, partially empty, or empty?

Army training: Breath control = hold when lung is empty. Then
sight, then pull, then follow through.
From: bellas@soldev.tti.com (Pete Bellas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice on which Over/under to Buy
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:14 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.

In article <9209242315.AA23527@osnome.che.wisc.edu>, rwalton@NeXT.COM
(Robert Walton) writes:

# I'm looking for a 12 g over/under [or maybe a side-by-side] for trap  
# shooting, skeet, sporting clays, and the occasional wildfowl.
.......
# What are the best choices out there?  What is a reasonable price range?  I  
# had in mind $1,000 to $1,500, 

I would get the nicest Browning Invector that you want to afford. I have
tried a fair amount of over/unders and the Brownings mount/swing, for me,
better than any other.  I would get a 28" barrel length as it is a nice
compromise, meaning a bit long for skeet and a bit short for trap :-).

			-Pete-


* Pete Bellas                   "Cogito ergo spud"                         *
* Citicorp/TTI                       I think therefore I yam.              *
* Santa Monica, CA                                                         *
* bellas@gamma.tti.com                                                     *
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 Black Talon Oddities
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:57:00 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <9209280513.AA03994@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster) writes:
#"Winchester Safety Blossoms: Real Flower Power! The choice of 9 of 10 hippie 
#handgun enthusiasts!"

Reminds me of the suggestion I once heard that one could reduce legal
hassles in case of a self-defense shooting if his carry gun was
decorated appealingly, e.g. with pastel colors, cartoon characters
(but NOT Yosemite Sam), etc.
From: halk@bnr.ca (Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: HELP WANTED: .303 -> .308 Conversion
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:37 GMT

Recently, I purchased a used Lee Enfield rifle that had been converted
from the original .303 to a .308 calbire, by means of a replacement
barrel.  The rifle still uses the original .303 clip.

Problem:

More often than not, shells fail to feed properly from the clip.
Either:

a) the bolt face completely misses contacting the bottom of the shell 
   casing, thus failing to feed a shell at all,
or,
b) the shell mis-feeds, entering the chamber at a sharp angle, which
   causes it to jam the bullet tip against the chamber's side

Before I venture to a gun-smith and pay $$$ to have the thing looked
at, has anyone had experience with this sort of problem and/or
conversion, and found a workable solution?

I've already tried very minor adjustments to the clip's clearance and
guide arms on the top, but with minimal improvement. 

Any information/suggestions on how to overcome the problems would be
appreciated!

Please reply to 'halk@bnr.ca'.

Hal Kauffeldt  | Bell-Northern Research Ltd. |     Liability for
(613)-765-4589 | P.O. Box 3511 Station C     |   expressed views 
halk@bnr.ca    | Ottawa, Ont. CANADA K1Y 4H7 |          is mine.
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From: edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silencer questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Oct6.155018.20671
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.


	I have seen them made from a simple lawnmower or moped muffler with 
a hole drilled through the center...
-- 


Eric

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From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:34 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <9209290112.AA11721@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi) writes:
#I can't see how having a safety can really hurt; ...

It hurts the same way that having tail fins hurts an automobile.

Glock semiauto pistols already incorporate three safety devices; how
many does it take to satisfy you?  I suspect what you are asking for
is simply an external safety lever such as found on a standard M1911A1.
While it is needed on an M1911A1, it is not needed on a Glock; the two
operating systems have radically different characteristics.

#... it would make things more difficult for the casual would-be-killer
#who snatches your piece away from you before you can deploy it.

We've previously gone over this territory, with general comments to
the effect that external safeties should not be relied on for this use.
From: root@hland.nullnet.fi (Timo Tuomi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Lee Load-Master: Is it any good?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:20 GMT
Organization: NullNet ry, Finland

Hi all,

 I'm about to begin handloading (caliber .38 Special, .357 Mag) and going
 to buy a progressive realoder. I have two brand to chhose from:
 Dillon RL 550 B and Lee Load-Master. The dealer who sells Dillons says to
 me: 'Don't buy Lee, it's no good', and the one who sells Lee says: 'Don't
 buy THAT Dillon, it's old, go ahead and buy Lee'.
 Lee Load-Master is over 40% cheaper than Dillon RL 550 B, and Lee is
 auto-indexing etc. But is Lee any good?
 So, I'd like to hear some opinions and facts about both of these reloaders.

 I'll post a summary later.

Thanks in advance,
        Timo Tuomi

Timo Tuomi, Helsinki, Finland !
     root@hland.nullnet.FI    !        This host is protected by
     ttt@purkki.apu.FI        !            Smith  &  Wesson.
From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 PISTOL
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:42 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

In article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss) writes:
#OK, he is my situation - I ordered a .308 Howa barreled action with the
:intent of cutting it down to make a .308 pistol (like the Rem XP100
#series)  I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
:the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
#overall length of a rifle.  Is this true?  If so how does Remington
:and others make their XP type pistols legal?  Any comments would be
#appreciated.
                           
I read an article about this a few years ago -- the barrel had to be cut prior
to mating it with the receiver, so it was never a 'rifle' in the first place.
Pretty ridiculous, but thats bureaucracy for you.

Alan K Biocca
From: sykes@donner.cc.bellcore.com (sykes,michael)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Are there restrictions on carry in public places
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:03 GMT

Hello,

This is my first post so please be gentle : ) !

Question: 

If you have been granted a permit to carry concealed weapons are there
any places that you are not allowed to carry at all. (e.g. public places
such as malls, sports arenas, etc.) I would figure the police would 
give you such a hard time you might as well leave your weapon at home.

I have a CCW permit and I was wondering if I am justified in being a litte
aprehensive about carrying in a public place, or am I overreacting.

Sorry if this is a FAQ or irrevalent to this group.

Michael
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shotgun speedloader?
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:39:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9209252043.AA77799@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> dd908821@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Douglas Deden) writes:
#Reviewing the results from our last 3 gun action shoot, I have come
#to the conclusion that the best way to improve my time is to find a
#way to load the shotgun faster.  Does a speedloader for a tubular
#shotgun magazine exist?  I envision something like a slightly curved
#tube that is aligned with the magazine, and then a plunger is pushed
#to move the shells from the speedloader to the magazine.  Does anyone
#make something like this already, or should I get busy and make one
#quick and apply for a patent?
#

Such a thing does exist.  (I'm looking for the ad right now...)  There.  It's
on page 16 of the July/August issue of Front Sight.  It appears to quickly
(under two seconds) load four shells.  It's not entirely clear how the thing
operates, but you can contact the company and let us know... :-)

Armstec Incorporated
3300 Monroe Avenue, Suite 345
Rochester, NY  14618
+1 800 262 2832

-- 
DVC,
  Paul

Paul Yoshimune
pauly@netcom.com
From: ole@delab.sintef.no (Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silencer questions
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:18 GMT
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.

The silencer you have described will work well enough. I have seen
this design both in .22 and .38, and it seems to me that the
difference in noise from comemrcial versions are marginal. The volume
of the silencer and the diameter of the holes in the baffles are
probably more important.