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From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic,alt.censorship,alt.sex
Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun, was Fundamentalist Nightmare
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:13:35 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov12.212531.18620@newshost.lanl.gov>, jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.015251.4376@newstand.syr.edu>, greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:
|> |> [...]
|> |> But in any case, saying that someone is "crippled" happens to be very
|> |> different from calling someone "a cripple"--at least where I come from.
|> |> Where I come from, calling someone "a cripple" is an extremely perjorative
|> |> term.  What's more, I have yet to find someplace where it is not.
|> 
|> I have yet to find a place where is *is* considered perjorative
|> if it is a true characterisation of someone's physical state.
|> I know such people who are *very* angry about the mealy mouthed
|> euphemisms that are circulatimg about their conditions.  This
|> argument about whether to call someone `crippled' or `something-
|> challenged' is obviously an attempt by ignorant people to *appear*
|> caring without having to commit any *real* effort to the problems.
|> 
|> Yes, everywhere I go, calling someone "a cripple" whose physical 
|> health is normal *IS* considered perjorative.  So what?  In the
|> meantime, *real* cripples don't want your empty euphemisms.  Nor
|> do they necessarily want your pity - or even, necessarily, your
|> help.  What they do want is for you not to discriminate against
|> them in any respect which is unconnected with their disability.
|> Your euphemisms *DON'T* help in that regard.
|> 
|> -- 
|> J. Giles

Before someone yells at J. Giles for trying to speak for us cripples,
let me say that I am crippled and have always used that term to 
describe myself.  Most other people I know with similar physical 
limitations also refer to themselves as cripples.  I dislike the
term handicapped because it always seems to bring into people's mind
"wheelchair," and I do not use a wheelchair.  Other than that,
handicapped is something to do with someone's golf game...  I don't
like the "something-challenged" terms because it implies to me that
I should be able to do everything everybody else does, only I'll have
to try harder.  Well, there are some things i *can't* do, and I don't
like the guilt implied in using the term challenged when referring to
an actual incapacity.  
-- 



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Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Jesus is a Prophet, not Son of God
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:57:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/>But, if Jesus was the son of
/>God, why didn't he say "My Father"? How do we even know what Jesus said
/>since he spoke in Aramaic and we have no Aramaic record of what he said?


/(lungtt)
/No record?  One of the Gospels reports of Jesus addressing God in Aramaic
/kind of as "Daddy" not just "Father" in that spot where he says "Father,
/why have you forsaken me?"



Wrong.  Dead wrong.  In fact, embarassingly wrong.  You don't even 
know your own bible, Terence.


The quotation you are referring to is "Eli, eli lama sabachthani?", which
translates, "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?"	




Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: akbloom@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Keith Bloom)
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University
	<1992Nov8.221332.6391@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> 
	<1992Nov9.190029.3037@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:07:27 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>But if you ask about souls and the "purpose of human life", you are asking
>about something that people _do_ dispute.  You can't grade this one wrong
>because someone has an answer that's not the same as yours, because it's not
>the same kind of question.  It is sheer arrogance to act as though everyone
>else's answer must be wrong because they don't agree with you.  And that's
>what you're doing.

Arrogant, sure.  Also condescending and pretentious.  "Kalki" has been
posting a lot recently in both t.r.m. and talk.origins.  Apart from the
annoying mannerism of constantly referring to himself in the first
person plural, he (or maybe she) has failed to demonstrate any
understanding of the subjects he presumes to lecture us about, or any
ability to teach even if he did understand them.

But if you play along with "Kalki's" games, you deserve to be the
target of his smug little put-downs.  Why not write "Please kick me" on
a piece of paper and glue it to your backside, while you're at it?


Keith
Xref: sparky talk.religion.misc:21006 alt.atheism:21163
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Reader's Digest on prayer: amusing, or scary?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:09:31 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Nov11.140124.1711@newstand.syr.edu> dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jurkat) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.143105.22358@oclc.org> jay@oclc.org (Jeff Young) writes:
>>gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>>: 
>>: Your observations are well taken.  I have nothing against public schools as
>>: such, or even schools that present a diversity of views.  Unfortunately,
>>: public schools do not present a diversity of views.  You will not learn any-
>>: thing there about Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Quakerism, the Bible,
>>: the Koran, or the Tao te Ching.  The only references are of an historical
>>: or anthropological point of view.  This is not necessarily a wrong approach
>>: for some people, perhaps the majority of them.  But it should not be called
>>: diversity.
>>
>>Believe it or not, there are other types of diversity than just the
>>religious kind.
>>-- 
>If you feel that strongly about it maybe they could teach that "stuff"
>in English Lit. class, you know under the category of fiction.
>On second thought there is a whole lot of much better fiction available.
>So it really is a good thing that we don't have to read inferior and often
>poorly written moralistic claptrap.

I get the feeling that you have never read the Tao te Ching or the
Baghavad Gita or the Confessions of St. Augustine.  Or for that matter
Newman's Apologia Pro Vita Sua, or the Journal of George Fox or even
the C.S. Lewis's Screwtape Letters.  You may not agree with them but
I don't think that even someone as skeptical as you could read them
and characterize them as "poorly written moralistic claptrap".

I may be wrong on this.

Cordially,
Gerry Palo
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.censorship,alt.sex
From: dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro)
Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun, was Fundamentalist Nightmare
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:18:22 GMT

In article <BxE2t8.J5D@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>On the off chance that you are really sincere about this, please consider that
>>I consider these seemingly never-ending posts about genderless pronouns to be
>>exclusionary and intimidating.  Please desist.  Thank you.
>
>No thanks.  (Am I insulting you?  Apparently.  Do I care?  Snort.)

Well, now we can see just how intolerant and insulting you can be!  You should
be ashamed, after all (and I _do_ mean all) you've posted on the subject.

It seems you are willing to get along ONLY so long as YOU get to decide what
is reasonable/unreasonable.  seems pretty narrow.....



Oh, sorry, I may have driven you to drugs.  (snort?)
>
>____ Tim Pierce                /
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /

Lighten up!

David


Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:00:48 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc

In article <1992Nov4.193746.18263@cs.joensuu.fi>, asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi
(Antti Siivonen) wrote:
> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>>What the Koreans did for Oct 28th is what the JWs had done for 1914 and 1925,
>>and to a lesser extent, 1975.  "False Prophet" is also applied by some to

> 	And Catholics 999 AD. The distinction is clear. We didn't cheat, you 
> 	do. You're bitter. You haven't given any alternative. Your gospel is
> 	bitterness and envying honest people. Your priest bless arms. The 
> 	arms blessed by your church point my town, a little town in Northern
> 	Russia, every citizen of it - little kids in playgrounds, old women in
> 	the market square, even some of your fellow-believers. You, Walter 
> 	Smith, are ready to destroy us. 

You know, when you look at this issue from a five thousand mile distance,
you would clearly see that something is common concerning the
two statements. The word starts with r, and it's present in the newsgroup
title. No wonder I'm an agnostic.

Kent
-------------------
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Going to Heaven
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:25:19 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: Apple

In article <bdEA02P72aSV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, agr00@ccc.amdahl.com
(Anthony G Rose) wrote:
> 
> In article <76790001@teecs.UUCP> to@teecs.UUCP (Norman To) writes:
> 
> >Which god/religion gives us an easiest access to heaven?
> 
> Religion doesn't get one to heaven.  Only knowing Jesus will.
> 
> "Jesus said, 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man cometh unto
>  the Father but by me.'"  (John 14:6)

Or maximize your chances, and believe in all religions, that would
not hurt, either.

Kent
-------------------
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: akbloom@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Keith Bloom)
Subject: Re: Jesus is a Prophet, not Son of God
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University
	<BxJ6x9.L9@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> 
	<1992Nov11.190010.11039@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:56:28 GMT

hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:

>>I have a hunch you've been misinformed.  The earliest known fragment
>>of the New Testament is the Rylands Fragment, which is a piece of the
>>Gospel of John.  It's been dated at about 125 A.D., but the date could
>>be off by a couple of decades either way.

>There are some fragments that were found in Qumran which some have argued
>are fragments of one of the gospels.  The letters line up with letters in
>the NT, but there is not enough evidence for many scholars to accept 
>it yet (though many scholars accept other types of theories more readily.)

Nichael Cramer has already posted an article explaining this.  I
had not realized that Terence Lung was talking about something from
the Dead Sea Scrolls.

As Mr. Cramer explained, the fragment consists of only 17 letters, and
they line up with part of a passage in the book of Mark only if you
assume that three words were omitted and that some of the
indecipherable letters are actually letters which match up.  On the
other hand, a computer search has found that there are a couple of
places in the Septuagint which match the 17 letters fairly well.

I appreciate your frustration with scholars.  They do have an annoying
habit of accepting ideas which are inherently plausible, which are
backed up by substantial evidence, and for which reasonable alternative
explanations are lacking.  They tend to be skeptical of theories which
do not meet these criteria.  Of course, that may be only a coincidence.


Keith
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:31:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <7g3sTB1w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:

>1) What is the soul?

An abstract concept.

>2) What is the purpose of human life?

What you make it.

>Sincerely,
>Kalki Dasa


Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Joseph Smith becomes a Methodist, despite God's command.
Summary: Entering one's name on the Probationary Class is Hardly
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov3.122937.27737@cbnews.cb.att.com>, wcsa@cbnews.cb.att.com (Willard C. Smith) writes...
> 

[...]

>Joseph Smith, to pacify his wife's family, enrolled in a class. Suddenly
>this makes Joseph Smith a full fledged Methodist. If this is the best
>you can do, fine, but it is not very convincing to me.

Willard,

	I am trying to find some sources that indicate that Joseph 
Smith aligned with the Methodists to pacify his wife's family.

	I can not find anything, could you direct me to your sources?

	What I have found is from the _Pearl of Great Price_, in 
Joseph Smith -- History 1:9, something that said that Smith's "...mind 
became somewhat partial to the Methodist sect, and I felt some desire 
to be united with them..." But there is no indication that this was to 
pacify his future (at that time) wife's family.


=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: True Gay Christians
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:11:34 GMT
Organization: Rescorla for himself.

In article <1992Nov6.020604.670@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.205659.23814@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.165253.4006@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
>> >In article <1992Oct30.153527.23351@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>> >    Without FAITH this is a legitmate question
>> >    but when you ask this to people with FAITH (beleivers)
>> >    your answer WILL be people praying for you to understand
>> Then it doesn't much matter what the text says, does it now?
>
>    Not to a person, like you, who maintains that the Bible is
>    just words
Yes, but I'm talking about YOU. If understanding comes from prayer
and faith, I don't see why you feel the need to talk about the
text at all.

>		Mephistopheles ... ruthless, sleepless, unsmiling,
>                concentration on self or humorous, civilised, sensible
>                and adaptable 
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste....
-Ekr


-- 
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Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
                "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Stop The World I want to get off....
Keywords: Vatican Galileo verdict document request
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:08:19 GMT

rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan) writes:

] After a thirteen year investigation, a committee selected by pope JP II
] has decided that Galileo's theory that the earth revolves around the sun
] is not heretical after all.
] 
] Does anybody know where I can get a copy of the committee's report?  I've
] heard it goes into the social-historical-political-religious background
] surrounding the original veridct pretty thoroughly, and would love to read
] it.  You can just email me a response, and I'll post a summary with credits
] in about a week.
 

Does this mean anything in regards to the question 
of 'Papal infallability'?????

and does it only take a mere 600 years to modify 
a Roman Catholic Doctrine?


ciao
drieux




-- 
Modern Day Problems:
Hickory, Dickory, Dock - Three Mice Ran up a Clock
The Clock Struct one, 
and the Other Two will be Upgraded In the Next Release.
From: lungtt@gus8.ecn.purdue.edu (Terence T. Lung)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: God speaks
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:34:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>...I then wonder why we have in most Christian countries the need
>to teach children since their first day in school about Christian
>doctrines... Note that this is not the case in USA, and it also
>clearly shows that one could become a Christian without the need
>of public schools providing teaching. In other words aren't we
>really dealing with official religious PR instead of something that's
>needed?

I don't know.  But I'm beginning to think there may be some useful
consequences of any kind of doctrine from the first day in school.
Do those other countries have as much rape, murder, drug gangs and extortion 
going on in their public *grammar* schools as we do here in the USA?
Is this a consequence of the *absence* of this kind of education from
the first day in school?  This kind of education seems to do little
if nothing for people *investing* their souls in one doctrine or another.
I wonder if there is a study on this.

Terence
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.slack,alt.discordia,alt.pagan,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$/scanner$
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 15:16:40 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

> Oh, now I $ee where you got CONfu$ed. In my oriGINal po$t I $aid, "C'e$t
> un Central Ma$$if" when it fact it would be better Engli$h to have $aid, 
> "Ma$$if Central", the French pREFERing po$tFIX, of cour$e. N.O.W. my po$t mak
> $en$e, right? Good. You know, MANy people $eem to think that rELIgion i$
> nothing more than cLEVER marKETIng and Free Ma$on con$piracy gone wrONG,
> but I a$$ure you, that i$ far from *THE TRUTH*! *IT* i$ far more HIDEou$ than
> that. Look, Free Mason claim they aren't a religion, see what I'm
> sayin'? What? Reinhard Gehlen? Nope, never hEARd of him, $orry. Yo X, $he
> wa$ your girl? Damn, I had ta drop'er, $he caught on ta pla$tic and I
> ju$t couldn't $top'er. You're livin' foul and it ain't yo $tyle. You
> $ee, there ain't no rea$on for you to be $keezin', 'cau$e it ain't the
> $ea$on. Are you wit' me on this? One-87-thousand G!


Thank you very much.

In (troductory) lieu (certainly, down the hall to the left) of (or
pertaining to) e-mailing (or perhaps e-femailing) me (a personal pronoun
of some kind) $20 (dollar amount) to (or tree) the (ology) address (the
matter at hand) cleverly (disguised) contained (securely) in
(termissional) the (ocracy) about (to lose track of this) to (or fro) be
(serious for a moment, please) appended (or did not) signature
(autograph) file, (my nails) May (15th, to be exact) I (nose) suggest
(the special of the day) that (will be quite enough, thank you) you (are
a very silly man) simply (marvelous, yes) post (hole) the (ophany) lex
(luthor) program (available for $20) you (just keep your mind on what
you're doing) use (me, abuse me) to (fer) do (wop) that? (really is
amazing)
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Apology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:26:36 GMT

Shannon Chris Saltzman (phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:

: Why discuss that God isnt here if not to provoke argument from Christian
: key jockeys such as myself? If it is new age why discuss the abscence
: of a christian God except to upset christians?

This newsgroup (oh, for the t.r.na. FAQ at my elbow!) is for discussions of
topics relating to the "New Age".  It is not for discussions of Christianity,
except as it relates to "New Age" thought and philosophy.  If the discussion of
the absence of a "Christian God" is upsetting to you, perhaps it is a measure
of your spiritual insecurity.

Just a thought.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:52:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

John Emery writes:

>To use this soul to love the God who created us and to give Him praise:
>"You shall love the Lord your God with ...all your soul" (Matt 22:37).

Try Deuteronomy 6:5-9 for an earlier source for this quote.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Geneva - City of Light
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:48:40 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

Hi, boys and girls, I'm just passing this info on. It would be a good idea to
tune into the event described if it feels right.

******************************************************************************

GENEVA...CITY OF LIGHT

Last month Latief Perotti received a phone call from Dr.Dorrith Becker and
Michael Koletsis from Germany. They explained to Latief that his name was
mentioned in a channeled message that was received by them:

- Latief was to go to the city of Geneva to lead a meditation and activation
concerning 22 Light Centres around the globe.

This event is called "Light Bridge Connections" (LBC) and guided by the
Archangels.

On the 26th July, Alorah received a channeled message that now Geneva is
connected through a Light-Bridge with the universe and activated as the first
Light City on Earth.

On November 12th Latief will connect us with the 22 Etherical Light Centres in
the Universe (time from 10pm to 3am local time). At 3am we will have
established an open connection to receive any messages from the Masters of
Light. The energy perceived through this event by the participants will be
taken home and continue to radiate.

Location: Alain Zurcher, 9 rue Cramer, Geneva.
	  phone 022/733 82 20

******************************************************************************

	Pat