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From: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: phantom pain research
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/14 - Rights On!, Titusville FL

Index Number: 20831

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

> amputees feel that physical environment has a greater effect
> on phantom pain than do mental attitudes.

as a 17 year veteran, i disagree. do have enough tenure for you? [grin]

TTFN.
Chris

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From: Chris.Gunn@f1008.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Gunn)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Wilder To Sign Most Advan
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:34:49 GMT
Reply-To: Chris.Gunn@f1008.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1008 - BIZynet BBS, San Diego CA

Index Number: 20824

[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

JC> ....     Mr. Wilder is expected to
JC> sign a bill that would allow the
JC> outright murder of mentally and
JC> physically handicapped individuals,
JC> including wards of the state, by the
JC> same doctors, guardians, and committees
JC> who are charged with protecting them.

Interesting shift in wording to change the reaction to the law.  There's a
big difference between "physically handicapped" and 'totally physically
unresponsive' the law actually deals with.  Equating it with Hitler's
attempt to eliminate all 'defective' persons from the German race as an
emotional tactic to block passage of the law I find very unprofessional
for a reporter.

I feel it's extremely cruel to force continued pain on someone who can't
even express how much pain they are enduring and has no chance of recovery.

As there is in any law or license to practice, there are opportunities for
abuse.  I would be interested in knowing what provisions are written into
the law for dealing with those individuals that would apply the law to
those still able to communicate their own choices.

Chris

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From: rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu (Ray Kopp)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Bushwhackers...
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu (Ray Kopp)

Index Number: 20818

I think there are two things which cause this type of problem.

First, the Handicapped, even though great in number are still a
minority.  Thus the majority will still get what they want.

Secondly if you consider some of the issues present today it also
will help to explain it.  There is the Right to Life issue or
Pro-Choice which ever side you happen to be on, there's the
homeless issues and differences in what different candidates say
they are going to handle it, some sound great but you know they
will never have to worry about it because it's so good but somebody
has to pay! And there's the idea of healt care.  And the biggest
you always hear about and always will is how much is everything
costing and who's going to pay (taxes are usually the answer) and
too many people look at things from just this side.

The majority, because the other issues including issues of the
handicapped never get faced directly tend to let them slide.  They
find other issues that are closer to home more important, such as
how much more taxes are going to be taken out of my check.

If you combine the handicapped issue with another it becomes a much
harder choice.  I have a daughter that is Autistic, I'm not sure
she will ever be self supporting, so many of these issue would come
into play for me.  Yet if a candidate that supported handicapped
issues also supported an issue that I might be vehemently against,
such as a side I may not support in the Abortion issue I probably
could not vote for him.  (Note I do not say what my position is in
any of these issues, because the real idea is that you can be pro
one choice and be anti another to the point where you couldn't
personnally vote for either.)

Lastly I really have not seen candidates that seem to stand out
dynamically in many issues and that could win over what we now
have.  I will vote, but I would wish someone more dynamic would
show up.  Harken may have been a good candidate I don't know, but
he got pushed out one way or another and at this time them he's not
a choice.  If he had so little support at that early a time he
probably could not have gotten too much further.

Another issue that I always find difficult in the election issue is
how state representatives in the electoral college will throw all
their votes once the election seems lost, this is how Virginia does
it and I lived there for 7 years and never liked that.  It's like
the opposition is just dropped down the drain and you don't get a
representative picture of what people really feel.  I don't know
how many more states do this but it just doesn't seem right.  It
somehow seems like a "giving up".

Just an Opinion!
Ray Kopp
rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
Syracuse, New York
From: Sheila.Fava@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: My daughter and special o
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:49:16 GMT
Reply-To: Sheila.Fava@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL

Index Number: 21028

[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

If your daughter, Jessica, has Cerebral Palsy and is not mentally
impaired she would be elligible for the JUNIOR age group of the
U.S.Cerebral Palsy Athletic Association.  Here is the address:

U.S. Cerebral Palsy Athletic Association
Attention:  Mike Mushette
34518 Warren Road #264
Westland, Michigan 48185
Phone:  (313)425-8961

Since you live in Dallas, there -will_be- a competition held at the HAWS
Sports Center (I think it is at TCU) for Senior athletes (over 18) and
Junior athletes (over 10).  I would suggest you contact Dr. Claudine
Sherill, Professor of Adaptive Recreation (and I probably have her title
all messed up) and ask her advice as to how you can get Jessica involved
in adaptive sports.  If you have any further questions, do not hesitate
to ask.  Next time I will be prepared!

                    ---Sheila

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From: Doug.Parisian@f2.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Parisian)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: nls tb developments
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:41:32 GMT
Reply-To: Doug.Parisian@f2.n348.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/2 - Man-Net-EC, Winnipeg MB

Index Number: 20954

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

At the risk of seeming intrusive re your discussion of synthesized
speech reading books, I use my own imagination to add the stresses
etc where tyey should be, much as I do when reading braille, or
using the opticon, or probably the same way a sighted person does
when reading.  I often find readers place drama where I would
prefer they wouldn't, and vice versa.  I would rather dictate my
own emotional feelings to myself with my own mind than have someone
else do it for me.  Further, I can tell my computer to shut up at
will, find a specific test within seconds, etc.  You can't do all
that with a tape recorder, only some of it.

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From: Roy.Zuvers@f333.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Roy Zuvers)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Survey
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: Roy.Zuvers@f333.n280.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:280/333 - Sound Advice BBS, Gladstone MO

Index Number: 20899

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Steve, I would have to come from the old school since I graduated
from a blind school in 1958.  I frankly cannot remember when they
required us to pour our own water or milk.  If you tried it and
messed up, you got a lot of flack from the supervisor and other
kids for being messy.  Therefore, you either perfected a way to do
it or a way to get some one else to do it for you.

For me, a combination of sound and weight for glasses of cold or
room temperature liquids was good. If the liquid was for me, a
finger over the edge was easy but sighted people get hung up on
this one so it is back to weight and sound if you are serving. With
hot liquid, a combination of sound and weight will work with some
extra experimenting.   Coffee in a big mug  will work with sound
after you have checked it out a little.  Obviously, the burned
finger test is not pleasant.  It really does come down to
experience.  I don't have trouble pouring liquids but my wife who
lost her sight later in life does have a problem especially with
hot liquids.

On a related subject Steve, the blind folding thing and this survey
brings another point up.  I was accused the other day of not being
well adjusted because I said that I didn't like cafeterias,
especially those that have those islands where you go here for one
thing and over there for another and some where else for a drink
and then back yonder some where to pay. I made the mistake of
sayibng that as a totally blind person, I do not go to those places
alone.  A superblink was quickly on my case and I bet you don't
have to guess from what organization.

I even went further and said that as a totally blind person, I
didn't like sallad bars by myself.  How in the world are you going
to figure out which of the fifty items are  where.  I guess you
could grope and sniff but some one behind you might not like that.

Oh well, it is all interesting.  I will look forward to the
responses. Roy Zuvers

===
 * DeLuxe 1.21 #6289  If you smoke after sex, you're doing it too fast..

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From: Carl.Herring@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Herring)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOUBLE TALK
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: Carl.Herring@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA

Index Number: 20990

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i use the double talk and find it most efficent i have it at work
on the office network i have the sounding board at home and find
the doubletalk as efficent and easy to understand and the
doubletalk costs around half the price.  nice to see that.  would
recommend it highly for a inexpencive but reliable synthosizer.
works good with scanner andreading large text.  responds well shuts
up quik too.  works well with vocalize. they are selling a external
i think also.

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From: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: JAILHOUSE BLINKS
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA

Index Number: 20925

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

this brings up the issue of "being treated the same as everyone
else", then i guess the blind convict has the right to read in
his/her medium, the right to participate equally in prison
activities such as machine shop, lwood crafts etc so if so, i
wonder if being "treated equally" means the prison must make
reasonable accomidations?  dan

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From: David.Bond@p0.f810.n104.z1.fidonet.org (David Bond)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Electric Cars And The Blind
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:12:07 GMT
Reply-To: David.Bond@p0.f810.n104.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/810.0 - Electronic Library, Denver CO

Index Number: 21132

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 PR> up with one technology which is a possible boon to most of society
 PR> and a bit of a problem for the blind ... the electric car.

I had a thought, not to technical here, but could a sending unit such as a
infrared or laser device be mounted on one of these cars that would scan or
sweep maybe 50 to 75 feet ahead (actual distances and range of scanning
degree t.b.d.) and would pick up and reflect off of a receiver or mirror
device installed in canes and dog collars that would omit a warning tone at
the vehicle?  Anyway, I have my doubts about the population of electric
vehicles being to numerous for us to worry about for at least 20 or 30 years.

Speaking about warning devices, I wonder if this hypethetical invention that
I have just described could also be developed a little further to also omit
a warning signal, tone, and perhaps also a message on an L.E.D. screen for
the driver of not just an electric vehicle, but conventional vehicles as
well.  Let's say the car is approaching a crosswalk where a blind person is
about to cross, and as the detector device on the vehicle scans and sweeps
up ahead it picks up the receiver device mounted on or in the cane of the
blind person.  At a certain distance away from the person, the warning tone
on the vehicle sounds so the blind person hears it and is aware of where the
vehicle is.  Further development of the warning sound would have it omitting
a different pitch or rythm to announce it's relative speed.  For instance,
loud, high, fast pulses for fast, and at the other end of the spectrum,
lower volume, lower pitch and slower rythm for slow.  Of course, an increase
or decrease of these sounds would note the vehicle's increasing or
decreasing speed.  Getting back to the initial contact between sensor and
receiver, also at the moment a signal is confirmed, again a warning could
sound inside the car itself, even perhaps before the outside warning.  This
would alert the driver in advance, before the blind person knew or needed to
know about the vehicles presence.  Ah, finally.  How about an even further
development of this device and along the lines of a warning system inside
the vehicle, why not make different receiver or reflector devices that as
there would be a certain one for blind people, and perhaps other
impariments, there would also be ones for dangerous intersections, road
conditions, hidden stop signs, etc.  The different receiver devices would
all be designed to omit there own unique signal which would translate
different sounds, eithr outside and inside, or just inside the vehicle as
well as the visual message on the L.E.D. screen.

If you've gotten this far, thanks for reading!  Just felt the need to
expound on the subject!

Dave

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From: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Blind Fold The Sighte
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:16:05 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA

Index Number: 21087

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

>Hell, I am sure that I was legally blind for months, >maybe years,
before most people had any idea I was lacking in peeper >function, and
other than hanging up the car keys, I didn't change that >much in my
life to lead people to come to the conclusion!

>I think most of us here are familiar with the term "blindisms", and
>if we're REAL honest with each other, we'll admit that each and every
>one of us has them to varying degrees.

Exactly. The fact that you had vision reduced the probability that you
would exhibit as many "blindisms" as someone who had been blind from
birth. That may be why you weren't noticed as much.

In my work with students I try to make them aware of these
differences--not so they can automatically eliminate them but so that
they will be aware of the potential effect on others. Ray Charles and
Stevie Wonder both rock and nobody cares. However a blind job applicant
with a turned or lowered head may send unintentional signals to an
employer.

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From: Kelly.Ford@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Kelly Ford)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: NLS TB DEVELOPMENTS
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: Kelly.Ford@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20885

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 GP>>  I speed stuff up, and I wouldn't want to loose that.
 SB> The technology is there today that would let you speed up the
 SB> actual reading  speed while keeping the voice at its normal
 SB> pitch.  Radio and TV stations use this technology all the time
 SB> to squeeze more into a commercial.  The sampling rate could be
 SB> lower than regular CD's, thus allowing more on the disk.  The
 SB> speed could also be different so it could not be played on a
 SB> regular CD machine.

This would mean that NLS fund both development of this new player since
it wouldn't have much use in any other market and that NLS fund
placement with these new machines with anyone who wants one.  These
would both be very costly.

Plus, the technology you speak of that is indeed used by radio and tv
stations is only used when speed is increased by fractional measurements
and when the signal is an analog one.

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From: Henry.Kasten@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Henry Kasten)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: I'm back
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:29:31 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Kasten@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120.0 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX

Index Number: 21158

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Howdy Folks,

About 12 days ago, friday, March 27.  I went by Transplants-R-Us.

Picked me up a nice new kidney, and came home today.

The new kidney is working fine and the pancreas I got a year ago is

just humming along.

Goodness, I had forgotten how nice it is too feel good!

Anyway, just thought I would let you know.

Have I missed any juicy stuff on the echo?

HK

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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:59:22 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20894

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 >shaving my face, slicing my baked potato, dialing my phone, etc., so I
 >guess I shouldn't be surprised that higher level courses like liquid
 >pouring would be included in their rehab program!
 >
 >     Seriously, I don't really mean to sound THAT sarcastic, and I
 >suppose there are cases where things like this need to be taught, but I
 >honestly feel that in many cases rehab organizations spend alot of time
 >teaching things that simply seldomly need to be taught!

I guess that is a tough one to decide.  I consider myself pretty
well adjusted to my blindness, but dammed if I will go out to eat
and have a baked potato because I can't manage the thing without
making a fool of myself.  And, I don't care whether the president
of the U. S. is at my table I still use the finger technique to
find out if the cup is full or not.  But, then I never had any real
formal rehab training.  But, I have attended a lot of important
dinners with a lot of sighted people and have never had anyone make
any kind of comment about my checking the liquid level with my
finger or asked why I had french fries with my steak.  Guess we all
learn to adapt one way or another?

        D. T.

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Telephone Companies
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@p0.f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120.0 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX

Index Number: 21052

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Ron - good to see you back around.

 > DL>>  You mean TDDs are charged different then voice/ascii
 > calls?

 ==>It all depends if you telephone company offers a discount,
 ==>and you have a hearing impaired TDD user within your
 ==>household.  You must contact your telephone company for
 ==>further information and possibly a discount application.

 > In fact, non-deaf businesses with TDD access pay MORE than
 > the cost of a telephone call, since TDD calls take longer.
 >  One of hazards of providing access.

 > Support your local accessible businesses!  Make accessibility
 > an economic necessity for any good businessperson!

I receive a HI discount on both of my phone lines here at home,
the BBS one and the TT one.

Most businesses are able to write off the telephone charges
on their bills as an expense, however, they are usually given
a tax break if they have disabled employees.  I think when
the communication portion of the ADA goes into effect in
July 1993, businesses will be able to realize a discount
if they provide access for their disabled/HI customers.

What I'm really concerned about right now is with all of
the computerized services offered by the phone companies
not being compatible with TT's.  It is a major concern here
in the DFW area since they are the test site for the computerized
operator services (which I hope fails big time).  Most residential
lines do not have an extender (which is the bell device that
amplifies the tone) which causes us some real frustration when
we can't transmit data on our TT's when we call long distance
to other states that have not upgraded to the state of the art
new telephone lines.  The phone companies are aware of the
problem but they are not sure how to fix it yet other than to
add the extender on to the lines that need it.

I never had any problems from my office but then most businesses
have the extender on their lines, especially those that use
computers for the operation of their business (what businesses
don't nowadays) but my sister who works for a large corporation
all of a sudden had some problems calling Oklahoma about a month
ago.  This is what I was going through here at home after no
problems the first month and a half after I moved here.  She
works in Dallas, I work and live in Irving...so we feel it is
something AT&T, SW Bell and GTE have failed to catch.  It's
really a weird situation and naturally they don't even have
a trouble shoot technician who is knowledgeable with this
sort of problem.  Looks like it is going to take some of
us to educate them, huh?  What a BIG headache...

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