HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.culture.bengali : should we move it?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:41:02 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




	Some more clarifications:

khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

> How many people in Pakistan speak Bengali, let alone LOVE Bengali language
> and culture? I am surprised to see that an alternative news group is being
> proposed for Bengali language and culture, yet there is no mention of the
> word Bangladesh ( only country on the face of the Earth where Bengali is the
....deleted
>scb. I hope it is an honest mistake on the part of the organizer (!) of
> this newsgroups. If it is not a mistake ( I mean the so organizer doesn't
> want to admit that it was a mistake), I personally seriously hurt and will
...deleted
>made it clear, may be the organizer doesn't mneed any support anyway.

	I meant soc.culture.bangladesh in place of soc.culture.pakistan
and it was my absent-mindedness that was to blame. I guess it was very clear
from the tone of my charter that the Language Bangla was the object of
the newsgroup not the politics of the 2 countries. I am sorry for that typo
however. Also the organizer (??!!) needs all the support he can get.


rajdas@rainier.tandem.com ( Raj Das) writes:

> please refrain from lumping Assam as a state that speaks Bengali. In case you

Assam has a large number of unwelcome(?) settlers who speak Bengali. Though
Assamese is the main/principal language in Assam, Bengali is a strong second.
That is all I meant. I did not intent to reduce the significance of Assamese.

	Also some others have suggested that this newsgroup should be moved to
soc.lang.bengali or sci.lang.bengali. I have been flamed in alt.config for
keeping the discussions alive for 5 weeks. So, I would like your opinions
on this proposal immediately as to how and when I need to do so and in such
a case I would like consensus on the name. Please respond to this post immediately. If more people are in favor of acb, we will need to create it immediately
but if more people prefer sci.l.b or soc.l.b, then we need to move the discussion
to news.* heirarchy.

Regards,


Bijoy Sagar

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" Usenet hierarchy
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 08:07:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.001200.1813@becker.GTS.ORG>
	news@becker.GTS.ORG (The Society for Reviling ATnT) writes:
>alt.society.cu-digest		=comp.society.cu-digest

The comp.society.cu-digest newsgroup is moderated.  Do *not* alias
the alt.society.cu-digest newsgroup to it.  This can cause extremely
rude and obnoxious behaviour, particularly at B-news sites.  (The
problem is that a stray posting can cause the CuD moderators to be
bombarded with a flood of email.)

PLEASE ignore Bruce Becker's advice.  (Which is a pretty good
rule of thumb anyway.)

-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Ergonomic (adj) - Designed to ensure
Unicom Systems Development   | maximum discomfort in left-handed people.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.201442.13514@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.195131.28127@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>
>>Don't knee-jerk out the ad hominen attacks the very first thing, m'dear. 
>
>She didn't. She waited until you'd already made many stupid proposals,
>and then she flamed you.

Many stupid proposals?  Such as the successful groups alt.appalachian,
alt.folklore.ghost-stories, alt.horror.cthulhu, and alt.fan.lemurs?  All
of which are doing quite well?  No, I think you're just exercising that
kneejerk net.asshole holier-than-though factor that pops up in people who
have nothing better to do than read netnews on a holiday.

>Good luck with your future proposals -- we'll all be ready to find
>them stupid.

Yep, that's the constructive idiocy one'd expect from a UVa employee. 
Goddamn Wahoos.  Never shoulda let them on the net.

Rec.humor.d people, if you find cow ASCII art and cow humor funny, post to
alt.config in support of this newsgroup idea.
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d,alt.flame
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.195131.28127@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>Don't knee-jerk out the ad hominen attacks the very first thing, m'dear. 

She didn't. She waited until you'd already made many stupid proposals,
and then she flamed you. And I'll give you a free clue: using the phrase
"ad hominem" in your postings (even if you spell it correctly) merely
makes you look even more immature. Fortunately, you aren't
represenative of the Va Tech employees that I know.

Good luck with your future proposals -- we'll all be ready to find
them stupid.


Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 01:35:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.233435.22269@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.055022.9340@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Interesting that there's no mention of Virginians, or other blithering
>>idiots outside "the Denver community."
>
>However, I think we may be able to take this as a sign that Virginia
>Tech has some pretty good standards. If only we could convince PSU to
>take note...

What *is* it with you two?  You and that bint at Chicago seem to think I'm
the Antichrist or something.  Get a life.  This thread has gone like this: 

Joel posts explanation of why he thinks alt.humor.cows would be a good idea.
Weirdo at Chicago posts hateful flame
Weirdo at U of Virginia posts hateful flame
Joel posts further explanation of why he thinks alt.humor.cows would work
Weirdo at Chicago posts hateful flame
Weirdo at U of Virginia posts hateful flame

What *is* it with you?  Did I run over your dog in a previous life?

          (__)                                           
          (oo)                                                     Joel Furr
   /-------\/                                     jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu
  / |     ||                                            Blacksburg, Virginia
 *  ||----||                                                             USA
    ^^    ^^




Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: Re: propose alt.buttons for phrases quotes and one-liners
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:29:36 GMT

jad44314@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Janet A Dornhoff) writes:

>There was some discussion of creating an alt.quotations in here.  May I
>suggest alt.buttons as an alternative?  This would include buttons,
>bumperstickers, and .sigs, which seem to be the only good places to
>put quotes these days.  Most of the quotes in an earlier post also
>appear in at least two of the three button catalogues I own.  These
>things appear everywhere from SF cons to used bookstores.  
>I'd been considering the creation of an alt.buttons even before I
>saw michael's post for alt.quotations.  Either that or alt.bumperstickers,
>but alt.buttons is shorter that either of the other two, and thus
>easier for those of us who have to or prefer to type in newsgroup names
>every time we read them...

alt.quotations has been created, and in fact, is getting over 50 messages
a day now.  Find it and subscribe to it...

Although there would be an overlap, I would like to see an alt.buttons
newsgroup.  Not sure how much interest there is, but it could also include
collecting, trading, music-related buttons, and so on...

OFF-TOPIC:  Also, could you e-mail the addresses of the companies you have
button catalogues for?  I would greatly appreciate it.

-- 
~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~`

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: darknite@camelot.bradley.edu (John S. Novak III)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:14:32 GMT

In article <Dec.22.15.22.38.1992.332@yoko.rutgers.edu> zamick@yoko.rutgers.edu (Jonny the Z) writes:
>Why not have a rec.games.frp.amber spinoff if it is pulling so much
>traffic? It certainly is popular enough as demonstrated by the MUSH
>which has sprung up based on the RPG...

Mainly because a significant number of the r.g.frp.* people
(possibly even a majority-- I'm not sure, though) oppose the
creation of any game-specific groups under the r.g.frp.*
grouping.  Don't look at r.g.frp.dnd as a precedent in any way--
The only way the group flew at all was with good-faith
reassurances that no other game, or even genre-specific groups
would be created.

I've lurked in r.g.frp(.*) for years-- pleaseplease don't anyone
suggest another r.g.frp group there...

Other concerns for the amber newsgroup, raised in the mailing
list itself, deal with the merging (or not) of newsgroup and
mailing list.  The big question seems to be, should it be merged
or not?

If merged, I predict the increase in traffic will force members
off the mailing list, and those members may not have access to
the alt.* groups.  Then again, people have been dropping the list
for disk-space reasons already.

If not merged, then there will almost certainly be a certain
amount of duplication between group and list.  There may also be
a migration from list to group, although this is _far_ from
certain.

For my money, I think the creation of the alt group without a
merge to the list is the way to go.  But then, I'm lucky enough
to get the alt.* groups, don't have many constraints on my disk
space for mail as long as I read it quickly, and will continue to
monitor either or both.  I also have absolutely no say in the
matter of merge vs non-merge.

I'm curious as to the opinions of people who might read the
group, but can't handle 30-plus mail messages a day.
 
--
"You never screw up if you do everything right."
          -Dr. William Hammond, 02-07-92
John S. Novak, III		darknite@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:14:11 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa

In article <1992Dec22.135900.23729@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.233931.12398@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Therefore, I propose an alt.games.frp.amber.  (My second choice for
>>the name would be "alt.games.amber-rpg," which avoids spawning a
>
>Why not put this in the rec.games.frp hierarcy?

Because there is very strong precedent that only games with a significant
amount of discussion over a prolonged period of time in r.g.f.misc get
their own newsgroup.  To date, that means xD&D.  Amber is still a new 
game, and there's been no demonstration that it has the kind of staying
power that would justify a mainstream group.

Given that the 30 messages a day traffic has been a factor for perhaps
a month, I don't honestly feel a mainstream group can be justified yet.
If alt.games.frp.amber is created, and if it maintains high traffic
levels for a year or so, then the time will be right for inclusion in
the frp hierarchy.

It's also worth noting that right now there are two proposals for new
r.g.frp groups floating around, and muddying the waters with more would
be undiplomatic.

-- 
Bryant Durrell					   durrell@chop.isca.uiowa.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                 I feed on the flesh of the living, and I vote.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Keywords: hi tim, How are you doing?
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:53:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.120610.29983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>I propose alt.fan.cows. 
>
>This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
>Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>


Joel,  I always suspected that you were a little "funny".  So it's
Cows, huh?  Why cows and not horses?  Or do you want a group for them
also?  Conspiracy indeed.


TTFN,
M
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.questions
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:40:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.225031.1628@rei.com> fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:

>slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:
>
>>Hmmmm.  Sounds like a wonderful idea, but I have to wonder how many questions
>>will ever get answered....
>
>Don't we have alt.answers for that?

A possible split of news.answers into comp.answers, rec.answers, etc.
is in the works.  Alt.answers will presumably be created for FAQ lists
if this split goes through.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: pierpont@snax.enet.dec.com (Howard Pierpont)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.graffiti,alt.geek
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal - alt.quotations
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:23:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BzADnv.HFL@world.std.com>, mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur) writes...
>  [I have consulted with the original poster of this idea, Chua Hak Lien, and
>got permission to post this.  Thanks for the idea, Chua.]
> 
> Proposal for a new alt.group - alt.quotations (name is open for debate.)
> 
> PURPOSE:  for quotations, quips, .sig lines, witticisms, and discussions
>of all of the above. 
> 
> VOTES:
> 
>    Please send Yes votes, No votes, and suggestions for the name
>(alt.quotations is my pick) to my address: 
> 
>    mgm@world.std.com
> 
>  WHY A NEWSGROUP? 
> 
>    I think there's quite a bit of interest.  We see quotations all over,
>particularly in  .sigs.  When this was first mentioned in alt.config,
>there were 8 responses in one day. 
> 
>  WHY AN "alt" GROUP?
> 
>    I'm not THAT sure about the interest, and this topic will have a very
>large "fluff factor."  If it works out as an alt group, perhaps a "talk"
>or other USENET group will come of it.
> 
>  WHAT IS A QUOTATION? 
> 
>    I'm sure there are all sorts of smart-aleck answers to that question,
>but here are some examples of what *I* would use the group for:
> 
>"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and
>as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
>        --Albert Einstein
> 
>"Duct tape is like the force.  It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds
>the universe together...."
>        -- Carl Zwanzig
> 
>"Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
>every six months."
>        -- Oscar Wilde
> 
>"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting
> on people."
>        -- W.C. Fields
> 
>"Charm is a way of getting the answer yes without asking a clear
>question."
>                -- Albert Camus
> 
>"Girls are always running through my mind.  They don't dare walk." 
>                -- Andy Gibb
> 
>"Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards.  I got a full
> house and four people died."
>                -- Stephen Wright
> 
>I think you get the idea.  If you reply to this message in e-mail to make
>your vote, PLEASE don't quote this entire message (I may like quotations,
>but not THAT kind.)  I'd rather not receive 300 copies of this message in
>my mailbox.
> 
> Thanks.
>-- 
>~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~`
>
From: sdrm@netcom.com (Lewis E. Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: New Newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.bengali
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:34:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I vote YES for the new newsgroup.

-- 
Xref: sparky alt.config:8082 news.groups:24773 alt.folklore.urban:31761
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151
Summary: You're Allowed VS You're Required
Keywords: I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.K
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:52:00 GMT
Reply-To: Craig_Shergold@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec20.200542.17556@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:

   > OR it could have been from those "flame-bait" postings that Joel and I put
   > in rec.arts.startrek entitled "Lost in Space Was Better" in which we set a
   > "reply-to:" address of "vote-no@sq.com".  ;-)

 > <laughter>
 > But, before somebody starts screaming "revote!", let's keep in mind
 > that even if only a TENTH of the "No" votes count, the vote STILL
 > FAILS by the 100-vote margin.
 > Shame on you ... !

> In case anyone else thinks this actually happened... I did read all
> messages in the ballot mailboxes, and the only ones that apparently
> were not intended for the mailbox that they arrived in were a few
> cases where the sender apparently had a mental lapse and confused the
> words "yes" and "no".

VOTE FRAUD! VOTE FRAUD!  Nowhere in the official CVD, Straw-CVD, CFV or the
E.I.E.I.O. did you say that content of the message would determine eligibility
of the ballot.  Therefore, under rule 124.47 (c) of the official "USENET Guide
to Flaming and Voting" I declare this a clear case of VOTE FRAUD!  Under the
provisions of sub-paragraph (d) you "may not pass GO!, may not collect $200".

As far as confusing the words "yes" and "no", this CLEARLY shows that the
populace of the USENET is not intelligent (or old) enough to be allowed to
vote.  What we need is a benevolent group of people to make these difficult
decisions, a cabal of backbone sites, yea, a Backbone Cabal, that's the ticket!

> Of course, it *could* be the case that this trick was *tried* but failed
> because nobody replies to flame-bait by email.  But somehow I doubt it.
> Especially considering the ";-)" in the posting!

You think nobody replies to "flame-bait"?  Sheesh!  I get more e-mail in a day
than Craig_Shergold@vms.cis.pitt.edu gets post-cards in a week.  BTW: Craig
is no longer dying and asks for your cooperation in stopping this urban legend.
He asks that whenever you see the Craig Shergold urban legend you would change
"Craig Shergold" to "Terry Wood" and "Business Cards" to "$1 bills (or more)".


> See also my recent posting <1992Dec20.195428.17256@sq.sq.com> in
> alt.folklore.computers and alt.folklore.urban. :-)

Yea, you didn't count "Craig's" vote.  VOTE FRAUD! VOTE FRAUD!

Terry "and Kibo and James Parry are one in the same too" Wood

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.175356.6245@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.120610.29983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>>I propose alt.fan.cows. 
>>This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
>>Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.
>
>Joel,  I always suspected that you were a little "funny".  So it's
>Cows, huh?  Why cows and not horses?  Or do you want a group for them
>also?  Conspiracy indeed.

It's a JOKE.  Just as the 100k files of "cow art" are meant to be funny
when they get posted to the net.  Believe it or not, SOME people, perhaps
those of us that work at land-grant universities with lots of cows, DO
find cow humor funny.  Why not horses?  Because, for some reason, no one
passes around 100k files of horse ascii art.  Because people don't go
horse-tipping.  Because people don't slow down when passing horses and
lean out their car windows and go "neigh!"  Cows are inherently funnier
than horses.  Don't ask me why.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Proposal:  alt.hate.lists
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 00:35:53 GMT

In article <1i2kshINNedv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>In a previous article, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) says:
>>
>>	For discussion of "I hate" lists and the positives of hate, anger
>>	and rage.
>>
>>	Discussion would include hate-posts ("I hate that idiot with the
>>	glasses in my math class with the big nose and the bad hari 
>>	krishna style shirt BECAUSE ..."), authors (there are _plenty_
>>	to keep it active) of hate works, generic hate rants (I hate
>>	people who say, 'you need to take an economics course'), and
>>	new trends in hate.
>
>I can see this group turning into alt.flame.partII.

Isn't there already alt.peeves?
From: sdrm@netcom.com (Lewis E. Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: test
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:31:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Here's your one line email message. :)  -Deborah

--
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rec.arts.fantasy
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:50:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkf.col.hp.com

I agree that there's no clear line between fantasy and sf. And, as a
reader of both, I would hate to have to wade through the crossposts
that would result from the creation of a rec.arts.fantasy.

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:10:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <1993Jan4.013521.537@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>Weirdo at U of Virginia posts hateful flame

Calling you boring is a hateful flame? You must lead a very, very
boring life to find hate in such a mundane label. You also seriously
overestimate your importance in the universe, much less my personal
universe.

>What *is* it with you?  Did I run over your dog in a previous life?

I don't have a dog. You're just boring. Calling me names doesn't make
you more interesting. Beating stupid jokes to death won't make you
more interesting, either. If you dropped dead, that might be
interesting. Well, more interesting than your postings.
Newsgroups: alt.config