From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: aaron
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:29:41 GMT

>Newsgroups: alt.child-support
>From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
>Subject: Re: When the father is out of a job.
>
>Oh, poppycock!  Is it $0.59, $0.63, $0.70 or what?  Men make more money
>because men work more, men are told that their role in society is to be
>a bread-winner, their success is measured by how much they make, they
>take all the appropriate classes to obtain those practical and exciting
>jobs working for huge, multi-national companies or small, lean, mean
>fighting-to-stay-alive companies.  They don't study "French Literature"
>or "Men in History"  unless they plan on going the whole ride, get the
>PhD and then teach the stuff.  They take jobs that are back-breaking,
>manual, hard-labor at great risk to life and limb.  Society also
>virtually requires that they work.  They cannot take time off from work
>to raise the children for a few years.  They cannot take time off from
>work to play bridge, help with the local charities and other volunteer
>work.  They make more because they work more.

	I agree.

>Yes, so why are all these mothers having all these babies to men that
>are not committed to them or their children?  So, why don't women work
>hard to make money to support these children, give them that necessary
>time with their fathers so that they can receive input from both sexual
>role models, so that fathers can become empathetic to the task of
>raising children so that they will be willing to bend over backwards to
>help take care of those children?  What are the crime rates for children
>raised in poor intact families with fathers who take an active role in
>their children's lives?  What are the crime rates for children raised by
>their fathers as the primary caretaker?
>
>Women don't get any support services?  How much does welfare cost the
>United States every year?  Billions - Hundreds of billions - you don't
>say.  How much of that do men get?

	Yes, try being a man and receiving *any* kind of state aid.

	Having lived and seen the realities of kids, I am ALL for
	voluntary sterilization.  As some of you remember, I just had
	an operation to *reverse* a blockage so we can have one more
	kid (Lord willing) to complete our familiy.  (Having only one
	kid is worse than having 2).  But at age 35, I was planning
	on having *some* kind of an operation.  Either way.  And
	once I'm done, I *will* go have a vasectomy.  I will be certain
	that the only problems I will ever have, are the ones I have;
	a one way street.  We have all seen women on tv on welfare with
	7 kids, or even men who have several kids by different women.

	Why don't these people simply shut themselves off!  It seems
	like they don't consider this a problem.

>Remember Johnny Carson?  There weren't kids involved in his last few
>divorces, but every wife took him for everything they could get.  Did
>they earn that money?  Why would the courts believe that she was worth
>half of what he made while they were married?  Did she help him in some
>way to earn that $16 million a year salary?  If she hadn't been around,
>would he have been able to earn that salary?  Hey, these women did
>virtually nothing to help him earn that money - they lived in the lap of
>luxury and probably after they got tired of him, decided to cash in.

	On a talk show, Sylvester Stalone was being interviewed.  He
	was asked, "Do you think that you will EVER be able to spend
	all the mony you've made?"  He exclaimed, "If I keep getting
	married!"


>So, you do admit that whether or not the NCP gets screwed is almost
>solely a function of whether the CP wants to screw him or not.  Yes,
>divorce doesn't have to be the great tragedy that it is.  So, how do we
>fix this?

	It's true in my case. Seems the only cases that are problems are
	those the states get involved with.  Even the latest thing about
	publishing pictures of the worst delinquint men.  I can appreciate
	the idea.  It's the precident that bothers me.

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	Alan Yasutovich
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