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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:36:56 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

dmcquaid@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (Devin McQuaid) writes:

> 	I'll tell you onething I'm a white middleclass hetro-sexual
> male I'm not aware of any power or privilege that I have did I miss
> something? Did I miss the meeting where we past out the Power and
> privilege. Please tell me where I can get my birthright :-)


Then you're not looking very effectively, for the evidenvce is clear, and 
everywhere.

We live in a society that has institutionalized the master/slave 
relationship. You are trained from birth to be submissive to bigger, 
richer, and more powerful primates in the heirarchy, whose anuses you are 
required to clean with your tongue. 

You, in turn, are 'given permission to treat as slaves, though with less 
cruelty (can't allow you to harm the big master's property, obviously), 
the second class citizens ranked under you in the pecking order.

Just because you can complain of your powerless in rank and relation to 
the biggest, meanest, oldest monkeys who control your life, doesn't mean 
that you are not priveledged and powerful in relation to those 
institutionalized below you in ranking by the Masters.

Sorry about the spelling, typing fast, later, Bill
From: v067rcyf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: INFO ON CYBERPUNK!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.133334.1271@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jy@dct.ac.uk writes...
>I am most interested in any one who has some information on cyberpunk role play
>games (or any which are future based).
> 
>           If any one can help please get in touch with me.
> 
>                  THANX!
>                        __  __
>                       /  \/  \
>                      /__/\/\__\ORTIS.......!

the game Shadowrun by Fasa is my favorite, but plenty-o-magic
Cyberpunk by R. Talsorian games is pretty good, no magic bullcrap

these are the two biggies
and there are more, but they're usually
just poor quality rip-offs
stick to one of the above
                                    --------------aardvark

             trying to figure out
             how to get a sig file
From: CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: The Underground
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:33:05 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13.SMU

petersom@ucsu.Colorado.EDU writes:
>For the director, how about whoever did "The Lost Boys"?
>That movie had enough reality in it to almost make it believeable, with not a
>lot of unnecessary effects.  (Not counting the backwards flowing waves of
>course.)

   That's Joel Schumacher... I suggested him earlier, with the caveat that
as of "Dying Young" he seems to be suffering from an overmuch dose of
Hollywood...

         Loki         | cs341a002@husky1.stmarys.ca | Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson
 often sysop of TWWOL | cs341a002@stmarys.bitnet    |    Compaignie Mercurie

What I don't understand is Hobbes' name. Was he named after the 17th
century philosopher who characterised life in the state of nature as "nasty,
brutish, and short"? But it is Calvin who is nasty, brutish and short.

                --- Edward Nilges
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Summary: We?  No way dude.
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:23:18 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

To be perfectly honest, it doesn't make a lot of difference
whether or not the "teachings of Jesus" have led to bloodshed
or salvation or both.

The whole point of the cyberpunk movement is EXTRAPOLATION.
We are not proposing anything new on this newsgroup--we are
just looking at what is happening around us and making sure
we are a step ahead of the game.  As far as I can tell, a true
punk does not tell others what to do...he or she usually has
enough problems dealing with what he or she should do.

Look around you--what do you see?  Skyrocketing national debt,
the inexorable advance of multinational supercorporations,
the leaps and bounds of technology, bio and hard, the
subjugation of individualism and the resulting backlash, street
violence, nationalism, organized crime and conspiracies of
Byzantine complexity.  Cyberpunks do not place any moral
judgements on these things--we merely accept them as the
way of the future and try to make some sense out of them.

If the "teachings of Jesus" do not crop up a lot in our
discussions, _it_is_not_our_fault_.  We do not recommend, 
we merely observe.

	Thank you for your time,
	Jason
	Ono-Sendai R&D      
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From: malloy@crash.cts.com (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:44:35 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <3TL2TB4w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>Stuart Finkelstein <sf20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> How about this? (Although its rather noncommittal...)
>> "Do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you."

>How about just "Do as thou wilt."?    ;-)

If you're going to use that quote, don't grab part of it out of context,
use the whole thing:

  "An it harm none, do what thou wilt be the whole of the law."


-- 
random sig #69:
Sean Malloy                                  | Kzinti Diplomatic Corps
Navy Personnel Research & Development Center |  
San Diego, CA 92152-6800                     |    let's do lunch
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From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 05:07:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) says:
>
>that might explain race, but it still doesn't explain the sex issue.
>there was no sign at the door of the computer lab in my "white
>suburban school" that said "no females allowed".
	Nah, but it's not 'cool' for women to know computers. I know
	someone here (male) with the attitude of 'girls don't know 
	anything about computers, anyway'. 
>you can get just from classes. i've learned probably twice as much
>useful stuff on my own then i have in class. women don't seem to get
>into reading tech manuals & magazines & source code *just for the fun
>of it*. 
	A lot of women, no. I avoid them unless I want an answer to
	a specific question - like a programming question, or a 
	specific bit of software in general.
>i guess what i'm trying to say is that women aren't expected to be
>as obsessive about things as men. 
	Sure we are. Haven't you ever listened to women discussing
	men, makeup, hair, clothes, fashion, soap operas? I'm willing
	to be that there are as many women at *least* as obsessed with
	that as there are men hooked on computers and other toys.
>how do we promote these topics as fun to women? should -anyone-
>think they're fun? i happen to think so, but then again, i'm biased.
	I think computers are a blast. Then, I've been playing with them
	for 8 years now. (I'm 18. Simple math). 
	Anyway, it's simple. Get rid of the society bias that women
	aren't as competent with machines/technology as men. That should
	fix everything quite nicely.

Kitten
-- 
Do you like the dark?
Do you like the way it moves?
Do you come alive when neon kills the sun?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.030045.12127@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> habrams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Howard Abrams) writes:

>...
> (just picture a scene in the matrix with stairway to heaven)    
>
> -- Howard Abrams
>
>

Sure, pick a song that doesn't fit, and write of the whole shooting match.
Cheap trick.

How about Communication Breakdown instead.  Makes a sort of ironic since.
Or Paint it Black as black ice rushes up to kill our Matrix Hero.

ratner
From: jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (jtrue)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: (Feminist) cyberpunk
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:36:44 GMT
Organization: the gospel of zagnut

In article <14496.9211101643@uk.ac.keele.seq1>, u0a38@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (LJ Barton) writes:
> 
> 
> HIGH THERE...
> 	     In message <1992Nov7.143313.8686@ac.dal.ca>, Ethan Clarke
> writes:
> 
> >Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get essays/articles/pappers
> >on saxism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist friend who always calls me a sexist
      ^
      |_ er, sexism you meant, right?


There is an interesting paper in Volume 19 (pp.219-235)
of _Science Fiction Studies_
by Nicola Nixon (who I believe is at the Univ. of Toronto) called
"Cyberpunk: Preparing the Ground for Revolution of Keeping the Boys
Satisfied." (the issue came out late this past summer)
Basically it's a fairly damning feminist critique of the
movement.  The author concludes that cyberpunk is anti-feminist
and derides the genre as a reactionary/neo-conservative product of the
80s Reagan era.

I didn't agree with Nixon on very many points.  I don't think the canonical
cp literature conveys or wants to convey a coherent political message
other than "look how wonderfully fucked up our society is and how
technology (as opposed to humanity) is now at the helm."  I guess my problem
is that I'm not a Marxist (but I am a feminist) and I don't think that
every movement in the art and literary world has to serve a revolution.

I do recomment the article however.

-jtrue
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: rlr@panix.com (Richard L. Rosen)
Subject: Re: The stupid thing with the unicorn
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:06:38 GMT
Distribution: Internetional
Organization: RLRCLC
Keywords: Unicorn

In <9204474.1@cuslm.ca> 9204474@cuslm.ca (MORIN PETER JOHN) writes:
> I read your message about the unicorns in the movie bladerunne,I've never 
> seen a unicorn in bladerunner,where the hell did you come up with that!
> ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!somebody answer my question before I go insane!!!!!!

There is no unicorn in Blade Runner.  Those who have been talking about it are
replicants with implanted memories of a scene in the movie that was never
there.  Relax.  Go back to sleep.  When you wake up, you'll remember something
you didn't dream.  Don't worry about it.
-- 
You bozo, you fucked up!!!
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 01:34:28 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU) writes:

>   How about some industral music? This would be the most apt type of
> music for a Cyberpunk genre movie. I would suggest _Nine Inch Nails_, 
> or _Front Line Assembly_.

FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.  I'm almost tempted to say FLA is
too wimpy.  But, hey, I can't think of anything better.

Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.



                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
                   Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
                                      -qr
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 14:55:25 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

M.J.Jennings@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Michael Jennings) writes:

> 	To be honest, I can't see Neuromancer being succesfully filmed. There is
> simply too much in the book to be filmed in anything like as little as two
> hours. What you would end up with is a fragment of the story.

What you would end up with is, in a word, "Dune".

I think you're right on, here.  There's far too much detail in
_Neuromancer_ to squeeze into a movie.  The attack on the Villa
Straylight is about a movie's worth, but without the setup material, it
would never sell.  No one would understand it.

> Neuromancer is too good a book to be spoiled by a bad
> film. I would rather see something less ambitious of Gibson's on
> the screen ('Burning Chrome' perhaps).

I agree here, too.  _Burning Chrome_ is more cinematic, more
encapsulated, and would make a better movie.

This is not to say that I don't want to see _Neuromancer_ made into a
movie... I just don't think Hollywood is willing to make the kind of
movie that _Neuromancer_ must be.  They only make mass-market stuff, for
the most part.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 01:51:15 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (freud on crack) writes:

> Starring:
> 	Christian Slater as Case
> 	Winona Ryder as Molly
> 		(yeah, I know it's a Heathers re-run, but this is a
> 		 dream cast, anyway [and if you're talking about
> 		 dreams, you gotta mention Winona Ryder...=)])

bleah.   This is the cyberpunk dream, remember?  Dump that other dream to
magtape.  -:|  (no, I don't have a mohawk)

> Soundtrack by:
> 	FrontLine Assembly	(confrontations with wintermute)
> 	Meat Beat Manifesto  	(Chiba City Ratz' bar music)
> 	Ministry		(filler)
> 	The Orb 		(love theme)
> 	Orbital			(cyberspace music)
> 	808 State		(Tessier-Ashpool/Freeside background music)

This is cool.  Very cool choices...  I haven't heard anything by Orbital, but
some FLA would go great for the cyberspace bits... maybe F242 for the
wintermute times.... or maybe not.


                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
                   Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
                                      -qr
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.164225.11073@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:
>>
>> Having restrained myself for well over a year, I finally must dive 
>> into the issue of "Cyberpunk music."  In my opinion, there isn't 
>> any.  And having said that, what do I think comes closest?  Some 
>> (imphesis on some) Rock artists.  I know I'm being retro here, but 
>> bare with me...
>
>[stuff munched]
>
>> Some Rush songs, the WHO's best stuff (Molly, can you see me?),
>> not to mention Zepplin and Floyd, all have a CP edge and sensibility
>> to them.
>
>pardon? the punk sensibility was in direct opposition to such 
>pretentious art rock. remember, we're talking about cyber *punk*, 
>where image and raw power beats out the "k00lest" of Rush lyrics 
>every time. 
>
>jason
>
>--
>`,`,`, "greed & fear" `,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`


One of the most refreshing things about the punk sensibility was a willingness
to acknowledge their roots in rock and roll.  Check out Black Flag's cover of
"Louie Louie" if you need an example.  Basic rock has more image and raw power
than the "coolest" of indusrtial/post-industrial/whatever lyrics.

And who said anything about art rock.  Groups like Yes (who I like) did art rock.
Of the groups I mentioned only Rush comes close, and not all that close.

Remember, when Pete Townsend smashed a guitar on stage it was NEW.  All else
is imitation.  Groups like the Who and the Stones were the original angry
young rockers.  The punks were later day copies (alebi reverent copies.)

I still say, if you want to rock, stick to rockers.

ratner
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From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes...
> 
> 
>(
>(Disclaimer - these are fully my own opinios - I mean nobody no harm)
> 
>The more I look at people's postings about the problems of the world in our
>Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
>techings of Jesus.  We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
>to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
>practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  Jesus can show you all your
>true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
>with each other in industry.
> 
>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", 
> 
>there would be no problems in society.AA
> 
there will always be problems in society
the catholic church is a problem of bureacracy and bullshit
the true religion is lost
hell, i don't even like religion
however, the ten commandments are still a pretty decent idea
and you should follow sgreever's paraphrased golden rule
i try to
however
we need not an icon or figurehead to believe in
that's not necessary for most
believe in yourself
cut out the middleman
just relax and don't get so offended
and you'll do fine
                               *canned applause*

                                          Nice to Meat you.
                           -----------aardvark
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: wallacew@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dave Tolmie)
Subject: Re: nyx.du.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:42:25 GMT

wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:


>    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
>theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
>pull our collective legs.  We've got preachers & militant feminists,
>we've got all kinds of extremist crazies popping up from
>nowhere....oops, not nowhere --nyx.du.edu.

Hmmm.......

>    Any of you real people who use this machine ever seen any of these folks?

One of `em could be sitting right next to you...  <grin>  The world's full of
`em....

Maybe I'm one....  <grin>


Dave

dtolmie@nyx.cs.du.edu

-- 
David Tolmie				
dtolmie@nyx.cs.du.edu
wallacew@ucsu.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: zennaro@iesd.auc.dk (Christina Zennaro)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:14:49

-Sgreever wrote:
If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
them do unto you", 

there would be no problems in society.AA

I do not think that my last lover would have approved that. I think
she wanted it to be: " Do not onto others as they have not asked you to
do."

Christina

--
 ________     
 \      /   Christina Zennaro               |zennaro@iesd.auc.dk
  \    /    Dept of Math and Comp Science   |
   \  /     University of Aalborg           |Frederik Bajersvej 7
    \/      Denmark                         |DK-9220 Aalborg S0

"Call me straight and i'll sue."


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (liquored up and horny)
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 05:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.030122.22029@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen) writes: 
|
|Just dawned on me - you people are some of the most open-minded I know
|when it comes to technological issues/ implications on society, but how
|come there are so few women participating in the Industrial and/or
|Cyberpunk movements? Is there something inherently sexist about Cp that
|I'm just missing? Same thing with industrial music; why do these genres
|have so few women participating in them???

What?  What?  Come here, my foolish young lad and let me enlighten
you!!! =)

IMHO Cyberpunk is the only genre of forward-thinking fiction I have
seen that regularly portrays women in a variety of roles ranging from
the masculine-wanna-be (or just plain masculine) to the enlightened
androgenous one, to the familiar dossile damsil.  And thats's only by
the male writers.

When it comes to women authors, check out the likes of Kathy Acker,
for one.  Check out Re/Search's   Angry Women.  Check out the
importance of ST. Jude and Queen Mu on Mondo.  Admittedly there aren't
many leading figures in the movement itself, but then, there's really
only 2 clear-cut iabove-the-frey cons:  Bruce Sterling and William Gibson.

I would have to agree about industrial, to an extent, tho.  But, I
listen to a lot of techno (industrial's dosed offshoot =), and women
play an integral part in techno.  From sampling Kate Bush to Tammy
Wynette to every-wailing-diva to ...?  Women are a huge part of
techno...

|Just wondering...

Just replying...

|Geoff Allen

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From: IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:57:24 GMT
 <behrenss.721300780@hphalle6> <BxHrLx.92E@nic.umass.edu> <BxIwuM.GEA@rice.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

not to be picky but:

 "I may be goin' to hell in a BUCKET babe, but at least i'm enjoyin'
       the ride!"  -- Grateful Dead

peace

the bushman
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:08:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.014953.14804@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.011305.16543@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>>I believe (and I may be wrong) that ono-sendai is Tom Maddox's, I 
>>understand that Tom gave permission to WG to use some of his names.
>>Correct me if I am wrong please.
>
>	Okay--
>
>	Ono-Sendai is Gibson's, so far as I remember.
>
Actually I believe that Sendai (although sounding rather like Send AI) is an
actual city/town in Japan. Not sure what Ono means in Japanese, but I have
heard that his wife is a teacher of Japanese or something (Tom ? - were keeping
you on your toes lately.) so it could be a reference to Ono-Sendai being
the company located in Sendai while at the same time being the double meaning
of the "send AI".

>-- 
>				Tom Maddox
>		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com

Tim

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