From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:18:26 GMT

In article <PATRICK.92Dec25114915@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.050200.4979@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>   In article <PATRICK.92Dec22081734@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>   >In article <1992Dec22.040403.24705@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>   >
>   >   In article <1h4tcgINNoo8@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>   >   >
>   >   > [...]
>   >   >
>   >   >>You didn't state your claims as a BELIEFS, however; you stated them as
>   >   >>**FACTS**. In one place, you said [...]
>   >   >
>   >   >You will note, won't you, clueless twit, the line above that says:
>   >   >I have freely admitted to this net, and to Don, that I do not have the
>   >   >archive to repost what I claimed that Don said.
>   >
>   >  Admitting lack of substantiation is not the same as retraction, Adrienne.
>   >  Confession != reparation.
>   >
>   >  Stop scrambling for an easy way out -- retract your lie about Don.
>   >
>   >So tell me, Mr. Wizard -- how do you retract an opinion, anyway?
>
>  Neither of the following unsubstantiated statements from Adrienne (which I'll
>  note she conveeeeniently deleted in her response to me) express an "opinion",
>  Humpty, they express FACTS:
>
>   "We've just seen Steve Kellmeyer and Don Beaver come out of the closet on 
>    this issue:  they don't want women to have the right to abort."
>				   16 Nov 1992 12:04:09 -0800
>				   <1e8urpINNkjl@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
>
>That sure looks like an opinion to me...

Wrong. It's a factual assertion on Adrienne's part. It's ABOUT an opinion,
i.e. Beaver's alleged pro-life view, but it is not, itself, stated as
an opinion. Compare "I think Don Beaver doesn't want women to have the right
to abort". That would be a statement of opinion. That's not what Adrienne
said, however.

>   "Well, I asked Don, on this net.  And he said he'd be perfectly happy to use
>    his vote as blackmail."
>				   20 Nov 1992 08:22:30 -0800
>				   <1ej3c6INNib1@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
>
>Of course, for all anyone knows, you could have lifted that out from
>something that has nothing to do with what you're whining about.  

But I didn't, Humpty, and no-one except you has even accused me of that.
You're grasping at straws, man. Are you willing to be dragged under by
Adrienne's dishonesty and egotism?

>   Adrienne can retract these false statements of fact in the following manner:
>
>  I, Adrienne Regard, hereby retract my claims that Don Beaver a) has 
>  publically declared that he doesn't want women to have the right to 
>  abort, and b) said he'd be perfectly happy to use his vote as blackmail.
>
>Cute, Kebbin.  I expect now you'll start claiming she actually retracted
>them by quoting this statement -- that you created -- as substantiation.

What are you babbling about now? What basis do you have for this "expectation"?

>   I'm sure Don would appreciate an apology too, but then, if Adrienne's ego is
>   so huge that she fights this hard to avoid just _retracting_ her false 
>   statements, imagine how unlikely it is that she'll ever actually _apologize_
>   for them...
>
>[...] you have in no way proved that she's done any such thing as you accuse 
>her of, 

Those quotes stand as proof. You are perfectly willing to try defending her,
Humpty, since she seems unable and/or unwilling to defend herself. Go on,
try to show how those quotes are "out of context". Try to produce some
substantiation of what she said. You'll fail miserably, if you even have the
backbone to try in the first place...

Alternatively, you could slink off and hide back under your rock, hoping and
praying that everyone will eventually forget Adrienne's lies, and your feeble,
impotent attempts to defend them.

								- Kevin
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