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From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu)
Subject: Re: This Interracial thingy?
Originator: yu@physun
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 18:16:53 GMT

In article <42858@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>>If a Korean-ge wants to be German-cu, then more power to him.
>>If a Chinese-ge rejects everything Chinese-cu except Chinese-cu food
>>but chooses to be Korean-cu, then more power to her.  Why must Chinese-cu
>>Chinese-ge bozos criticize, brand, condemn a Chinese-ge because she doesn't
>>want to be Chinese-cu.  Why must those same bozos condemn Chinese-ge
>>ladies for wanting to date/marry Caucasian-ge men?
>
>I agree that this is stupid. But! It is not only Chinese cultured
>people who do this! Americans (white and otherwise) do it too! I
>cannot count the times I've been accused of being traitorous and/or
>unpatriotic, unAmerican. I think it is a worldwide problem, and one
>that I'd like to see disappear.
>

I agree with this. I have a friend of Dutch origin. And when he was
about to get married, he told me that his paretns would be very upset
if he didn't marry a girl of Dutch origin. It turned out that way and I
could see that all were happy. I don't think this problem will disappear
in the near future. At least not until all the peoples on earth think like
Dwight Joe.:-) By then this would not be a problem because all that are left
are white Caucasians.

That will not happen however. I promise.

Frank

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Blonds and AFs
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.052109.164@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ejohnfel@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>
>
>My GF, who is Chinese has mentioned that she thinks Blond Germans are
>attractive. She has also mention that all the American guys who seem to
>actively seek to win her hand are all Jewish. No offense to the Jewish
>population, but has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?
>

   Yes, only among East Coast Jewry.  On the West Coast, it is mostly
   German, Anglo(Scot,Irish,English) Americans who try to seek out AFs.
   A lot of West Coast Jewry are looking for the blondes too!  :-)
   (Of course I'm just generalizing from the people I've met, so 
   take it whatever way you want).

   About the Jewish men, I've noticed were people who grew up in the
   East Coast, who went to the West for school or jobs, and are trying
   to "get away" from their parental pressure to marry a "nice Jewish
   girl".  There's much complaining about parents, tradition, etc.
   But the funny thing is that they're trying to escape one set of
   parental stuff for another set (that is very similar).  A lot of
   Jewish kids and Chinese kids experience a lot of the same parental
   expectations while growing up (stressing education, professional
   development, staying within their own culture, etc.)

   Another interesting observation made by one of my Latino-male friends
   is that a lot of college Hispanic women are going after Middle Eastern
   guys.  When you talk to them, they say it's because they want to get
   away from the "macho" culture.  But as he observed, they are escaping
   one "macho" culture for another one!  (What's that you say?  Your
   second husband turned out just like your first?)
From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:12:54 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter) writes:


>A much better solution is to have one of these rich guys with
>deep deep pockets in Hong kong, Japan, or Taiwan buy out some
>of these Hollywood studios and fire all of the top executives
>and replace them with Asian Americans or staffers from the home
>country.

>Then they can have a free hand in producing whatever type of movie
>they like and have leading roles go to whoever they feel like giving
>it to be it Asian or any other people.  

>But then the question is will movies that have an Asian as the
>leading male be able to make money in this racist country? 

Hey wait a minute, I don't think that two wrongs make right here.
If you imply that some foreign company should take over a studio, and push
an agenda, then this is scary talk.  I think a japanese company has purchased
Paramount Pictures or some other studio, but has let the execs in Hollywood
pretty much run their own show.  However, I do recall Star Trek V, which is a
Paramount production.  I think somewhere in the movie Sulu was made captain of
the Excelsior.  Although it is plausible that a movie set in the future of a
unified Earth should portray *at least* some asian starship captains
(a glaring ommission in Star Trek TNG - which has some very negative messages
about asians anyway), I do wonder if the japanese owners had any influence in
this, or if the script writers were doing this in a spirit of goodwill.

A much more glaring example of "foreign" influence in the media is Rupert 
Murdoch, from Australia (?, the memory is old), who owns newspaper companies
across the globe, & Robert Maxwell, and other news magnates from Europe.
But this doesn't cause alarm, compared to the thought of asian ownership
of a newspaper or studio, for some strange reason ....

But I digress...
To cast asians as heroes and saints, as opposed to villains and threats and
ant like workers as they are now, is to replace one stereotype with another.
Members of various slandered "groups" should be portrayed as HUMAN INDIVIDUALS.

Talent of the director and screenwriter should decide which movies should be 
produced, and not the agenda of studio executives.

And talent of the actor should decide who gets the role.

There is a need for more talented and artistic&outgoing asian males in the
entertainment industry.  That is the need.  Asian men who have the outstanding
talent are the solution.
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Rising Sun by Michael Crichton
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:33:31 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec27.210854.2810@is.morgan.com> pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com (Peter Wu) writes:
>Hi.
>
>I'm sure that this must be a moot topic by now, but in case it isn't I
>was curious as to the reaction by those people that read this book.

Well, I've never read it.. But a friend of mine (black man in his 40's)..
He used to say all these wonderful things about Japan/etc, but after he
read this book he came up to me and said "you know what, those japanese
are XXXXXXXs, they may smile at you during the day but plot against you
during the night.. they're all XXXXXXs"

Now, I must say my friend over-reacted, but I think from his attitude
I can tell what the guy wrote in his book..
I was never a big Nipponphile, but I don't think I would agree with the author


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: AF Expectations (Re: Asian males aren't attractive?)
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:08:20 GMT

After reading some of the comments about AF. I'm beginning to wonder about AF and 
their expectations towards AM. If AF were to pick AM, would they look for stability 
and wealth first. What ever happen to love ? I know it sounds old fashioned and 
almost impossible to find nowadays. But for a guy like me, all it takes is that first 
look. I'm not saying that I would be attracted to every good looking woman because 
I am just the opposite. It would be turned off if I saw a good looking woman that  
walks like a man or curses on every other word.

I consider myself above average on looks but shy when it comes to starting a 
conversation with a female...may be that's why I'm still with my girl friend, a 
five year relationship which started by her asking me to go to the beach with her 
on one weekend. Anyways, if AF were to choose me because of my looks, and wealth then 
I would be very disappointed and wouldn't want to be in the shoes of any single AM.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 23:33:14 GMT

In article <42842@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
writes:
>[deletion of silly comments about my comments that were taken out of
> context]
>...	You seem to think very highly of Japanese culture. Well...

No, that's not correct.  At no point have I ever said that Japanese-cu
culture is better than Western-cu culture.  Mr. James Pak (jpak@oakhill.
manute.mot.com), who backlogs much of the stuff on s.c.a.a, can be queried
about some of my previous posts on s.c.a.a., where I specifically criticize
Japanese-cu thinking in several respects.

>two points here: (1) Do you not realize that a lot of things that
>are now Japanese were brought over from China? Are all of these
>things bad?

Most of those things are bad.

> (2) Maybe you do not realize it, but the Japanese are
>guilty of a lot of the same sins you blame the Chinese for, most
>notably conceiving of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese as separate
>races, and assuming that Japanese-Americans are "Japanese" because

Case in point of a bad "import" from China.

I have already noted this; Ms. Covington should ask Mr. Pak to repost the
only article that I wrote but which he thought was very good.

>of their blood and their blood alone.   It is a result of having a
>society with little racial diversity in it at present.
>	All cultures have their good points and their failings.
>Let's try to have a bit of an open mind, shall we? If not, you are
>merely repeating the sins of the "Chinese" people you hate so much.

I do not hate Chinese-ge people.

I know several foreign students who say that they hate American-cu
culture, but no one--including me--interprets that to mean that
they hate American people.  Sure.  Some Chinese-cu
people chomp at the bit, thinking that means that they hate American
people.  But the rest of us are a bit more open-minded.

By the way, I am very much conerned about the welfare of all children
--that includes Chinese-ge children.  I see them as the future of humanity.
Chinese-cu see otherwise.  Jerks.

>		Maiko Covington
> (pulls up asbestos undies)

Mai-chan, undies o kite iru toki kawaii n desu ka.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Blonds and AFs
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:08:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.052109.164@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, ejohnfel@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:

|> My GF, who is Chinese has mentioned that she thinks Blond Germans are
|> attractive. She has also mention that all the American guys who seem to
|> actively seek to win her hand are all Jewish. No offense to the Jewish
|> population, but has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?
|> 

As a matter of fact, yes. If just looking at chinese females and CM, it 
is common that their counterpart is Jewish more often than any other 
race. I don't know the reasoning behind this but can only speculate. The
chinese females fit along the following lines: educated, professional,
intelligent, hard working, not into drugs, alcohol, smoking which I, 
myself, find attractive traits...
-- 
Richard Park
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: LAUGHING about Inter-RACIAL dating
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:02:09 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes: 
> 
> "Race" is an idea, a convention used for catagorizing people.  It is about
> as "real" as gold is used as a measure of "wealth."  It is as real as a 
> border between states or nations.  The American indians did not have a 
> concept of property,- a point of major misunderstanding with the Europeans.
> (& no, I'm not a socialist or whatever....)
> There are many "ideas" which hold reality for us because everyone believes them.
> We should keep in mind, however, that they are only conventions, and not the
> "reality" itself.
>  
> Perhaps in the future, skin color will be regarded with as little importance
> as hair color or eye color.
>
	I also agree with this outlook.  Neither science, nor anthropology
nor linguistics, nor biology support the idea of "race" as it is
used in the conventional political or social manner.

	In effect race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.  Unfortunately, social
constructs (or metaphors) do take on a life of their own.  I know a
black guy who went to Harlem and stood on a street corner and shouted
"race is a social construct, race is a metophor" and he *still* could
*note* get a taxi to stop for him. 

Steve

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:05:55 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Well, I was discussing this situation with one of my co-workers
(who is a psychiatrist working in substance abuse and one of his
research areas is in HIV/AIDS relating to drug/alcohol abuse)
Well, we were talking about the 1 Billion people infected in the 
next 100 years.  
Ok, his comment was that it is a conservative estimate if you 
conclude the population rate expands at the current rate, and the 
rate of HIV infection continues to expand at current rate, then the 
1 Billion estimate is fairly conservative.  However, since this is
an exponentially expanding infection rate, that means that the 
more people who get infected and do not reproduce, that will indeed have 
a dent on the population expansion.  (question is how much) This
would not be felt immediately, but in the course of 100 years it would 
be felt.  Especially in the third world countries where medications are 
not available and where it seems people with HIV develop AIDS 
more rapidly due to the poor health care.  
What does this mean?  Only time will tell.  WIll HIV cause great 
population reduction like other virulent diseases like Bubonic Plague
in Europe?  I don't think we're far enough into the spread of HIV
to be able to tell more than short-term.  As the virus continues
to spread and as we begin to see more time-lapsed studies, we'll have 
a better idea as to it's possible infection rate.  However, at this
point, it's too early.  To diminish the possibility of millions +
people being infected is ludicrous.  I for one would rather err
on the side of caution.  
Peace and love to all in this season.  (and to you Season)

Dominick Zurlo

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:55:40 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec30.221528.4044@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.154435.2597@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
>(Clare Chu Ayala)
>writes:
>>  Speaking as someone who has been there... Yes.  I wanted very much to
>>  date a bunch of AA guys, but they never even looked my way.  I think it's
>>  because they think I look "jappy" with my single-eyelids.

>What is wrong with having single-eyelids?  Ms. Ayala should have sent me
>e-mail back then; I would have told her how to deal with Chinese-cu bozos
>and their prejudice.

You're right, Dwight, those guys were bozos for writing off Clare solely
based on how her eyes looked.  I must have missed something though, I
could have sworn she said "AA guys" not "Chinese-cu bozo guys."  Amazingly,
people of all cultures, Asian or not, Chinese or not, are capable of
prejudice.

-nhy

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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:53:18
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu


One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of similarities between
the stereotypes of Asian men and Jewish men: intellectual, affluent,
non-athletic, non-tall, outside the mainstream of WASP American
culture, etc.  And yet, notice how many Jewish men are romantic leads
in movies and television shows.  Looking at TV for a moment, consider
Northern Exposure, Seinfeld, Love and War, and thirtysomething just
for starters.

Sure, race is an issue -- Jews don't look all that different from
other whites, as compared to Asians -- but I think there's another
factor involved...

Watch the credits for these shows and you'll notice that (surprise)
all of them have Jewish (male) writers.  So, the obvious application
to the problem of Asian stereotypes would be to get more
Asian-American screenwriters into the television industry (and the
movie industry as well).

Now, it just so happens that the media capital of the free world is
conveniently located in region with the highest concentration of
Asian-Americans in the entire nation.  So, given the large number of
Asian-Americans at UCLA and USC (the prime feeding ground for the
herds of Hollywood agents and producers), it would seem to me that AAs
could have a substantial influence on the content of the future
mediascape, if they choose to.

Personally, I would be interested in seeing the statistics on the
percentage of AAs in the UCLA/USC cinema/television programs --
especially as compared to the student body as a whole.

The cultural elite -- if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
--
_______________________________________________________________________________

Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:26:41 GMT

In article <72133@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>For more information on the SF YOung Men's survey, ask for a 1991 edition
>of any of SF HIV surveys from SF Office of AIDS.
>Again, no one has mentioned that the survey is proof that use of condoms
>is not correlated with low HIV+.

	This is because you are totally ignorant of methodology and
inferential statistics. Furthermore, you glory in this fact.

	If this is the best the Right can do, I'm afraid they have shown
themselves to be intellectually bankrupt.


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.185415.6109@midway.uchicago.edu> tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.142428.23744@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>
>>  What made me decide to date outside my race?  Lack of opportunity, mainly.
>>  Since men do the asking, an Asian man has a better chance of controlling
>>  who he dates because he picks who he asks or doesn't ask.  Since women
>>  usually don't ask, they only get to choose from the guys who ask.  If

[*poof*]

>>  If you are determined to date within your own
>>  race, then you have a LONG wait.  Ask any of my still-single Asian female
>>  friends.					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

names, clare, i need names...and addresses...and phone numbers  :-)
fill up my "little black book"...heheh.

>
>This is a pretty funny response: LACK OF OPPORTUNITY??  Yeah, I believe that one.

didn't even spark a giggle much less become a funny response; there is
truth in her reply.  

>Also: men may do the asking most of the time: so what?  Does that mean that
>as a woman you can't ask a man out?
>
>The fact of the matter is that many AF wouldn't give AM the time of day, and 
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
well, you're either in the wrong neck of the woods or you need to get a
watch. ;-)

>it is obvious by the way they even look at AM.  Of course, I'm only referring
>to the ones they call "twinkies..."
>
>anyone who denies this isn't fooling anyone.

obviously you and clare have grown up in two vastly different regions.
if asian females are giving you that much trouble, it's time to look
elsewhere...clare has the names, numbers, etc....  8-)

laly thao

-- 

thao@cse.uta.edu        |     "There are no balls!!" 
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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: So this is Christmas?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.154837.13744@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <Bzztu1.L5x@inews.Intel.COM> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>>
>>> 	"How do you look at and spend Christmas?"
>>
>>I agree with you - I think that future definitions will be doing the 
>>secular Christmas thing.  I doubt that that after a few generations, any 
>>immigrant group will be able to avoid some acceptance of secular Christmas.
>>When I went to the malls this season, many Asian Americans were shopping
>>for Christmas.  It looked to me as if they bought into the American style
>>Christmas.
>
>  That was how it was growing up.  My mom did the Christmas tree
>  and my relative sent presents to each other and put it under the
>  tree.  My dad put on "White Christmas" and we all sat around in
>  the hot California sun thinking about sleighrides and snowmen.

Yup, same here, except we had white Christmasses in Wisconsin before
we moved to San Diego.  An aunt and uncle, on the other hand, are
devout Christians and celebrate a decidedly religious Christmas.
I get the feeling that Asian Americans are pretty much like other
Americans when it comes to celebrating Christmas, except that I used
to always get people asking (really slowly and loudly), "Does *your*
family celebrate Christmas?"
					--Alan Hu

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas,
Just like the ones I used to know.
May your days be cheery and bright,
And may all your in-laws be white.  ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: misra@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: Thai women, a repost from soc.culture.thai
Keywords: asian american, thai
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:50:23 GMT

	Uh Oh!

	NOT AGAIN!

	Maybe this bloody topic can be included in the FAQ.

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay