HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frank@invincible.bsd.uchicago.edu (& Esquivel)
Subject: Bio-Chem Beads
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:38:04 GMT


I am new to the net and I think its great.  I have been able to solve a  
lot of problems with my first tank just by reading the info posted here.

Can anyone give me any information on Bio-Chem Beads made by Aquarium  
Pharmaceuticals Inc.?  They are supposed to be these bags of beads that  
you put into an external power filter or canister filter.  Once in place,  
a biological filter will grow in these beads and activate the nitrogen  
cycle for added filtration.  Has anyone had any experience with these?
Thanks.

Frank
From: cichlid@pine.circa.ufl.edu (KUTTY)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: (F) Fishroom...finally!
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: cichlid@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4



Aaahhh! Good to be outta grad. school finally.  I bought four 55-gal.
tanks for my fishroom yeaterday. Setting up the racks and tanks took
the whole day. In the next couple of months, I'll be gettin two
145-gal tanks and a few more 55s. I'm still gonna havea 75 Dutch tank
with CO2 and metal halides in the living room. Building a fish room is
a lot fun but it is hard work and it is worth it. Netters visiting 
Vacationland (Orlando and Tampa) are welcome to visit my place - you'll
get a free tour of the tanks and maybe a beer if you're nice. 


Vinny "If you build it they will come" Kutty

Home (813) 980 - 1778
Work (813) 665 - 1040 (effective Sept 1st)




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From: patton@phy.uab.edu (David Patton)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: 1-100/2-10 gallon setups
Reply-To: patton@phy.uab.edu
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:43:17 GMT


Since email bounced, in what area of the country are you located?
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Octopus
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:49:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

A while back I posted the same questions about keeping an octopus.
I still have the file, it is 40K "zipped."  If you would like a copy of
it, send me some email...  

Jon
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: help
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

Jim.Minden@f52.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Jim Minden) writes:
>Jack Help.  Call quick.
>
>Need hard drive.
>Only you can help
>end of line.

That's just about the strangest one I have seen here yet.
-- 
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and 
child." -- Dan Quayle
 
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
From: howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Speak for yourself (Was: Serpae Tetra beating goldfish)
Summary: Flame On - long ... skip if you like.
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:33:46 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

In article <1992Sep2.150818.20022@cs.cornell.edu> elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>... 
>Die-hard fish hobbyists tend to have aversions for anything "fancy" --
>Guess we feel there  is something unnatural about them. A similar dislike
>exisits for painted/died fish (cruel).


>						Anne C. Elster
>						elster@cs.cornell.edu


I do not understand why some hobbyists need to adopt an attitude as
expressed by this posting.  The mindset baffled me.

I am sure that there are more then a handful of goldfish, guppie, and beta
keepers/breeders that are quite die-hard and fail to agree with you.
In many ways it is much easier to raise fish where two fish of the
same breed produce a brood of young all just like the parents.

I would like to address the 'unnatural' aspect.  Goldfish may
look unnatural to some but what of it, it is just a matter of
what you are used to.  When live bearing fish were introduced into
the hobby there view as unnatural, freakish fish.  Do we think of
the humble platty as unnatural today?

What is unnatural about goldfish or their genetics?  The methods used 
to produce goldfish are the same as those used to breed cats, dogs, 
horses, and tropical fish.  It is unfair to lump goldfish in with
tropicals injected with colored fluid.

One could claim that it is more unnatural to keep wild caught fish in 
an aquarium then the domesticated goldfish.

Fancy goldfish are a unique part of the aquarium hobby.  They are 
delicate, friendly, beautiful creatures.  They are NOT easy to keep 
and do not make a good beginners fish.

Perhaps it would be kind to write off this attitude as ignorance rather
then stupidity or meanness.

>Maybe this topic should be added to the FAQ? (The books I've seen don't realy
>say anything explicit about it -- guess it's considered "too basic" ...)

I agree that the FAQ should provide warning about mixing Goldfish and
tropicals.  The frequency of people trying to do so indicates that it 
is not too basic.





-- 
Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:21:22 EDT
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Bio-Chem Beads
Distribution: usa
 <1992Sep1.172954.11424@cbnews.cb.att.com>

I had bio-chem beads in my first marine tank.  I also had a Penguin 300
filter.  As was said, the mesh was way too fine for good water flow.
I cut the bags open and dumped the beads into the baskets on the
back of the Penguin 300.  But alas, these baskets alsu sucked and the beads wer
e coated in slime in no time.  Sigh ...

| HANS C. MASING                   | A BAD ATTITUDE IS THE      |
| HCM100 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU           | DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE     |
| MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS   | WAY I THINK AND THE WAY    |
| PENN STATE UNIVERSITY            | YOU THINK I SHOULD THINK.  |
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: faith@wam.umd.edu (Jay)
Subject: Ammonia Removal
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:44:59 GMT


Does anyone know if that ammonia removal stuff you put in your
filters can be re-charged?  I forget the name of it.

Jerome.

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: wls@cray.csd.uwm.edu (Bill Stapleton)
Subject: Tetra CO2 System?  Lights?
Reply-To: Bill Stapleton <wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Organization: Computing Services, U of Wisc-Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:13:06 GMT

I was surprised to see a Tetra CO2 injection system in the store last night.
I didn't see much of it - They were apparently using it in a couple of tanks,
but only the plastic "bells" inside the tank were visible.  I saw the "master
kit", in a box, in a display case, with a $250 price tag.  That's about all I
know - I didn't push them for details at the store, as they were busy, and
the one person I asked about the lights over the *big* set of cascading plant
tanks at the entrance "hadn't noticed them", so I figured it wouldn't do much
good anyways.  Besides, I figured I just overlooked the big advertising I
thought they'd be doing.  But I checked all three of my last fish magazines
and not a word to be found anywhere, and nobody seems to sell it mail order.

Anybody using this, or know much about it?  I assume it's very similar to the
Dupla system?

By the way, anybody know what kind of lights these would be:  They were hung
from the ceiling from a circular mounting box about 6" across, maybe 2" thick
with the cord coming out the middle to a pendant type affair, which wasn't
fully enclosed.  It had sections in the middle left open, with a full ring at
the bottom, maybe 6" across, less than a foot tall.  It was all black, with
no markings, none I could see on the bulbs either.  I put my hand under it,
and it was quite cool, I forgot to check above.  The spectrum was quite white,
perhaps a touch blue if anything, and they were pretty bright.  I asked
somebody else about them, he said metal halide, but didn't seem quite sure, so
I don't really trust him, and I've never seen one so I'm not sure what they
look like.  Does this sound like a MH pendant anybody's seen?  Or was it
perhaps a fairly conventional fixture with a different type of bulb?

I'll be going back soon so hopefully I can find somebody who knows for sure.
They're not selling them, so I guess not too many employees pay much attention
to them.  I guess I should get out more often too.  :-)

[Milwaukee folks:  I'm talking Hoffer's.  Is there any place local that has
MH or similar "exotic" lighting on display, and knows what is is :-)?]

--
Bill Stapleton
     wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
     uwmcsd4!wls
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From: bajan@mocha.cc.mcgill.ca (Alan Emtage)
Subject: [F] Gourami building nest in community tank
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:36:39 GMT

I'm currently running a 25g (sort of) community tank, which is populated
with various forms of gouramis (pairs of Honey, Moonlight, Pearl, Neon
(called that by the store, I'd call it "fancy" Giant) as well as a some
Loaches a pl*co (:-) and a red tailed black shark.

I used to breed grouramis way back when, but I've never seen this
behaviour before: the male Neon is building a nest. Mostly ripping up my
java moss and shoving it into the Wisteria that's running wild. No
bubbles yet, but I think that's just matter of time. He's pretty
agressive to anybody that comes close to the nest, but he's leaves
everybody alone while he's running around collecting the Java moss. The
female is obviously ready to breed (she looks like a Sherman tank). I'm
just wondering if anybody else has seen this. To induce my gouramis to
breed before I always had to put them in a separate tank. They're really
not difficult to "induce" but I've never seen one quite so, ahem, horny to
breed in the middle of a community tank. The problem of course is what to
do if they really do mate. I don't have anywhere at the moment to put the
fry and I can't bear to see them become imitation tubifex.

I guess if this continues I'll have to get another tank :-)

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From: ahughes@arch386.hyperdesk.com (Arch Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Nitrex Box
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: arch@hyperdesk.com
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: HyperDesk Corporation

I tried to e-mail this back to the poster, but I can't mail to uucp
addresses.  Sorry for taking everyone's time for a more individual
reply.

I had a theory about why the bubbles are trapped...what do you think?

When I first put the Nitrex in the box and into the tank, the Nitrex
started floating out of the box.  Yuch.  So, I put it into a filter
bag and into the box.  Good.  But, since the Nitrex floats, it must be
floating the bag within the box.  My hypothesis is that the N2 is
trapped by the pressure of the bag on the top of the box, and the
slope on the top of the box isn't enough to force it out.

Perhaps if the bag was weighted, maybe with marbles, it would remain
on the bottom of the box and the gas would be free to scoot out of the
box?

I get a lot of my crushed coral substrate in the box slot, too.  I've
not tried to clean it out yet.

How many boxes do you have in your 55 gallon tank, and how much Nitrex
media did you put in it/them?

Here's hoping for zero ppm in my tank, too!

In article <1992Aug28.165107.3007@btree.uucp>, you write:
> In article <410@bertha.HyperDesk.com> arch@hyperdesk.com writes:
> >It appears from test results and observation the my Nitrex box is
> >working.  My nitrates have moved from about 100 ppm to 44 ppm.  While
> >I was cleaning my tank last night, I "poked" the top of the Nitrex box
> >(with the UGF vacuum) and a few large bubbles (presumably of N2) came
> >out.
>
> I, too, have been using a Nitrex Box on my 55g. fish-only marine tank
> with UGF.  I've had it for almost 2 years now and am convinced that it
> works.  When I first installed it, my nitrates were at about 40 ppm.
> Over about 5 months, they were reduced to about 10 ppm.  During that
> time, N2 bubbles would occaisionally appear.  Poking the box also forced
> many bubbles out.
>
> Since that time, I moved and re-setup the whole aquarium.  This time I
> installed the Nitrex Box with fresh media from the start.  To date (one
> year later) I still read 0 ppm Nitrates!  I never see any bubbles
> either, but I assume that's because the nitrate removal is so gradual
> you can't see it.  The bottom line is: I'm pleased with it.
>
> The only problem I have is that gravel continually gets trapped in the
> box opening.  I guess, if it gets bad enough, it could impede the flow
> of water into and out of the box.  I just clean it out every few water
> changes and everything seems fine.
>
> =======================================================================
> John McCaffrey                                   Brooktree Corporation
> btree!johnmc@ucsd.com                            San Diego, CA
> =======================================================================

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From: jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: News Flash: Agro-Lite = 99c at PharMore
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:00:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Yeah, PharMore came up in the scandal with the Colorado Rockies ownership.
The Rockies are one of the new baseball expansion teams that will start
next season.  I guess several of the key investors in the team are being
indicted for some sort of funny book keeping at PharMore, which they own.
Baseball booted them out, and found someone else to buy they're interests
in the Rockies.  This was all in the Sports Page....


-- 
Jason Rosenberg                           Computer Science Department
jason@cs.ucla.edu                         University of California
{uunet,rutgers,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!jason      Los Angeles, CA  90024
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Question about Frogs in FW Tank
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 21:58:16 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

These sound like the African froggies I have...small, 1 to 2 inches long
(nose to tail), fully webbed feet, green. If so, they do quite well in
a 30 gal community with a school of cardinals, a pl**o, a pair of clown
loaches, and a horse loach. They stay under water most of the time,
coming up for air only when very active. I've been told they can breath
through their skin. I currently have 2, one is about 8 months in this
tank, the second about 1 month. I have lost an other 2 in the past
6 months, but the first bought is still alive.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns)
Subject: Re: Octopus
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.123028.5300@echo.philips.nl>, johanb@echo.philips.nl
(Johan Slob) wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone know anything about keeping an octopus in an 
> aquarium?
> 
>   - size, temperature of aquarium
>   - best sort of Octopus
>   - recommended literature
> 


I've heard that they're very hard to keep.  Mostly because it's very
difficult to keep them in the tanks.  No hole is too small, no cover too
tight for them to get a tentacle in.  Getting them to eat (assuming it's
still in the tank) is also supposed to be troublesome.  I've also heard
that even some of the big Aquariums have troubles with octopuses.  There
may be some species that are more suited for aquaria then others, I don't
know about any of this though.

Good Luck

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine)
Subject: Re: [F] Setup for plants and fish
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:55:25 GMT

In article bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>Let's get back to the removal of those nasty and costly under gravel filters.

It's probably nasty because you're not cleaning it properly.  I don't consider
$5 or $10 expensive.

>for cleaning is to fill a pail 1/3 full with the old gravel and thsn stick a
>garden hose in it, untill the overflow of water is crystal clear.  Yes that
>does require removal of the fish but I have found it is no problem 
overcrowding
>a second tank for a day or two.

If you don't dechlorinate that water you're using, you just killed all
the aerobic bacteria in the gravel.

>I really would like to know who invented those ug filters, and why so many
>aquatic stores push them on the novices.  Frrom what I here they may be 
alright 
>for the salt buff but they sure are a waste for us fresh water fanatics.

The reef folks may argue that with you.  I disagree with you that
they are a waste of time for FW; one of the most stable tanks I have
is a 100-gal with a UGF, and it has a serious bio-load on it.
-- 
Steve Shine
AT&T Bell Labs    (908)949-8517
att!hoqub!shine   att!cbnewsh!shine
My opinions, not my employers, not my fault, blah, blah, blah.
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: UGF & power rig??
Date: 4 SEP 92 12:10:29 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

I've just read quickly some of the FAQ's from this group and I must say
thank you and cheers for a wealth of information.  One thing I did not see
mentioned in faq or thru postings is the idea of hooking up a regular
power hang-on-the outside-of-the-tank filter to upright tubes of a 
ugf.  Has anyone tried this?  I would think it would be easy to do with 
tygon(or other) tubing?  It sounds like a great idea- anyone know of 
drawbacks?
My apologies if this has been described at length before.
Beverly 
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From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrews Damage
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:22:24 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <1844@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
>
> Anyone living in the Southern Florida area care to estimate the amount
>of devastation this hurricane has done to the underwater marine aquatic
>life. How many coral reefs damaged ? This will probably be studied very
>heavily by scientists in the future. I know the loss of human life is
>terrible and the human suffering is incredible, but can you just imagine
>the scope of damage done below the water line ?
>
> Steve Tyree - Reef Breeder


Speaking from pevious experience, (I spent 24 years on the Mississippi
Gulf Coast and lived through Betsy, Camille and Frederick) I don't
think the damage to underwater "hard" sub-surface structure will be too bad.
However sand bars, marsh areas and islands will be torn up pretty bad.

This is due to hurricanes generally are surface and atmospheric phemon. and
sub-surface structures will not be subject to 140+ MPH winds and wind driven
debris. The above surface damage is unbelievable.

But I could be wrong, I don't claim to be an expert just a hurricane survivor.


+--------------------------------------+
|Huett Bishop                          |
| Tandem Telecommuncations Systems Inc.|
|Dallas, TX                            |
|                                      |
|email: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org      |
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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Thanks for replies + TFH Question
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:23:21 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

CCPHIL@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Phil Leith) writes:
>I used to get 
>Tropical Fish Hobbyist.  I dropped it in January, I think.  I'm getting >AFM.

Not a trade I would have made.  In the last 2 years TFH has ran at least 3
series of articles that made TFH worth the subscription rate.  One was 
the extensive and superbly illustrated series of articles on the US-native 
freshwater fishes.  The second was Tommersen and Taphorn's 2-part article
on annual killifish of the Venzuellan llanos.  The latest has been the 
article on West-African killies by Jaroslav Kadlec.  Add to that at least one
superbly-illustrated freshwater fish spawning aricle in every issue and you 
have a magazine worth getting.

>Anyway, TFH used to have mail order house ads in it.  One day this
>summer, I picked up a copy to see about mail-ordering some stuff - and
>I saw no mail-order ads.  Have they quit those ads for good?

The ads are only in the subscription issues.  The over-the-counter ones 
are bound without the ads.
-- 
"Eight years is too long for anyone to go without skills or purpose." 
							-- George H. W. Bush

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: penfold@bnr.ca (Harvey Schwartz)
Subject: [M] Filter/Lighting Question
Reply-To: penfold@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc.  Richardson, Texas
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:53:32 GMT


   I am just starting to gather information on reef tanks, and a dealer
told me that the Skilter combines a filter and protein skimmer.  Has
anyone had any experience with this?  His recommendation is to use a 
Skilter and a UGF.
   Also, I've read a lot on the net about making your own lighting
setup using wood box construction and waterproof fittings.  I've had
no experience with this method.  What parts are required for the 
fixtures/wiring and are they readily available ( read - "Where can I
buy them for a reasonable price?")?
--

Cheers,
Harvey

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