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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:35:33 ECT
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From:         Brian Burrell <BA02073@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      curious

I'm curious.  Matthew, are you saying that science should not have standards
for what type of data validate a particular area of study.  Instead I presume
we would report what WE think is data and debate, as scientists, from there?
If so, GOOD!  What concerns me though is that earlier you argued that no
"standard" therapy should be questioned (I assume standard means systematic,
well-defined, etc.??), and that my idea of good data should not be inflicted on
 yours.  But at the same time, you seem to question exorcism, and I
expect Tarot and palmistry as well.  You say that inflicting a standard is a
means of controlling one's peers.  Are you missing the idea that "science" has
always been in the business of inflicting standards on it's "peers" the
"pseudo-sciences".  Tarot, shamanism, et al. are typically well thought-out
and organized, systematic approaches, yet "science" dismisses them as poppycock
A shaman,I assure you all, has his or her own idea of what is "good data". So,
I imagine, does an exorcist.
It just seems, Matthew, that your arguments do legitimize exorcism as long as
individual exorcists  hurt no one (which is fine with me except that I
think possibly a "tool" e.g. exorcism, psychotherapy X, CAN be a bad tool in
general), but in the same breath you deny exorcism it's legitimacy.
Please clarify.

This isn't particularly well-written (I'm rushing) but I think the gist is
there.

Brian @ Binghamton.
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Regression message
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>     A while ago I responded to Matthews reply to the whole list, but
> my friend on the next door terminal never got it.
>     Could someone tell me if it went through? (Or is my computer
> possessed?) :)

It came through fine to my site (so I presume to most, if not all of the
list)....

>         Nangel at Emory (Diligently transcribing Rorschachs and
> needing some intellectually stimulating discussion!)

What year are you at Emory?  (It might be a good idea to respond privately
so as not to bore everyone).  I visited there last year and may have met you.

Eric Zorrilla
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:10:22 EDT
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From:         NANGEL@FS1.PSY.EMORY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Regression therapy
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> THIS IS NOT TO ARGUE FOR THE LEGITIMACY OR SUCCESS OF EXORCISM
    Good!  I was beginning to wonder...

> I don't want to call anyone dogmatic.  Yet, the statement begs the question.
> Are you accepting as fact, without demonstration, that exorcism is only
> anecdotal?
    This is putting the cart before the horse: Usually, you need to
demonstrate that something is a fact, not that something is
an anecdote.  Translated to statistics, you need to show that a
particular result did not occur by chance.
    If journal editors followed your criteria, everyone getting non-
significant results would be calling their results "facts"... And we
would all be getting more publications.  Now that's a thought! :)


> >    And to stretch the plumbing analogy: If our plumber were
> >casting spells and praying as he/she is working with the monkey
> >wrench, would we really say that praying is a legitimate way to fix
> >the pipes? Or would we be close-minded and thank God for wrenches?

> That depends on what you believe is REALLY happening, if you are
> into reality.  :-)

    The only thing that I believe is REALLY happening is that
    A) The opluming got fixed
    B) The plumer used a wrench
    C) The plumer was praying
    Since this is correlational data, I wouldn't be able to say that
that A was caused by either B or C. Unless I had previous experiences
with the same result occuring with the presence of wrenches alone.
    If I chose to tease out the effects of B and C alone, I'd have a
better idea of what effects praying and wrenches have on pluming.

> As Someone brilliant offered recently to the discussion:  What do
> you accept as evidence? Are you going to assume that everyone else
> MUST also accept this as evidence?
> To where do you attend to get your data?  What is the source of your data?

    I don't assume anyone to accept anything as evidence.  After all,
we each have to use our personal and professional experience to
decide what works for us... But as scientists, one of our goals
is to communicate our findings, and in that capacity I find it
irresponsible to accept as "facts" or as "legitimate" that which only
satisfies our PERSONAL crtiteria, but does not conform to wider
academic/scientific standards.
    Nangel
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:12:35 PDT
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@GIRTAB.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Social Support
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              30, 92 1:06 pm

>
> Does anyone know of  GOOD (reliable, valid, all of that good stuff) measures
> of perceived social support, especially ones used in relation to health
 issues?
> I am going to be searching psychlit for this information but would appreciate
> any suggestions and/or comments on available measures. Thanks.
>
> Chris at KU
>

I'd also be interested in whatever anyone has to contribute.

Stephanie at Univ So Cal

fishkin@girtab.usc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:31:34 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Loree's suggestions

I think this is an excellent time to do a membership drive.  I'll post
the announcment to the list.

Excellent suggestion to put the directory form into the welcome letter.
I thought of it briefly a few days ago, but then forgot it.  Thanks.
Dave's entry form for the PSYCGRAD Directory will now accompany the
welcome letters.

Have fun every ONE!

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From: turner@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Carl Turner)
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Date: 16 Apr 92 16:14:57 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida, Psychology Dept.

Thanks to Joe Melcher and Mustafa for responding to my question about the
APA mailing list.

For another on-line source of funds, take a look at the Usenet newsgroup
bionet.sci-resources.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:10:00 EDT
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From:         Jim Lea <LEAJ@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject:      Another pearl of lay wisdom

There are two types of folks in the world: the neurotics and the boring
people.

(a personality psychologist said it.  It must be true).
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:10:03 EDT
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From:         STOTZDK@DUPR.OCS.DREXEL.EDU
Subject:      re: Directory Entry Blank
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     Monika,

     I am terribly sorry I did not get your info into the database, I must have
lost it somewhere. Now that you mention it, I remember recieving it. I will put
 you in post haste and you will be in the next edition for sure, it should be
 outin a couple of weeks.

     Once again, I appologize,

     Dave Stotz
     Stotzdk@DUPR.OCS.Drexel.EDU
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:45:20 EDT
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: [Professional Societies]
              11 Apr 1992 14:07:04 CST from <BOTTAUSC@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>

To those of you who are in behavioural neurosciences:

SFN: Society for Neuroscience.  An amazing organization, which holds annual
meetings in various places all over North America, has a membership fee of
$ 30 US, and provides you with some book advertisements and  newsletters.

IBRO: International Brain Research Organization. If you are a member of SFN,
you are also automatically a member of IBRO.  Holds conferences every year,
all over the world.  Different themes, unlike SFN, which basically gathers
some 20.000 members and their research, are promiment every year.  No fees.

CSBBCS: Canadian Society for Brain Behaviour and Cognitive Sciences, a "clone"
of CPA, is a new organization (a 3 year-old todler), which has a student fee of
$10 CDN.  Lat yeat the meeting was held in Calgary, and this year it is in
Quebec city.

ThatXs all folks,

Monika
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:44:00 EST
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From:         JOSEPH MELCHER <JMMST15@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: APA mailing list?

Carl,
        I just received notice of APA's _Research Psych. Funding Bulletin_.
It is free to APA members and is available on-line.  The notice says to
subscribe by sending the following command to:

        LISTSERV@VTVM2.BITNET

        The command (which shd be the only line of your message--just as
when you subscribed to PscyGrad) is:

        SUBSCRIBE APASD-L your name


        I haven't become a member yet so I can't tell you any more, but
it looks like a valuable service.


--Joe Melcher @ Pitt
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From:         Edyta <X3@PLWRTU11.BITNET>
Subject:      music-theraphy
X-To:         Michael Cammer <cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU>

                           Hi dear friend...
   My name is Edyta ,I come from Poland,I 'm twenty.
I've studied musictheraphy for one year on Acadamy of Music in Poland.
   I'm interested in this sphere very much and I'd like to work as a musicterap
her in the future.
   It's something new in Poland so we haven't so much interesting informations
as you in USA.
   So...I have a question for you...Is it possible for me to study musicteraphy
in your country?If it is please tell me what kind of conditionalls I have to pe
rform.
   I think study in USA can help me in my education.
   I hope you'll tell me as soon as possible.
   I'll be looking forward news from you.
   Write please to my perssonaly address /x3@plwrtu11/ because I'm not a member
 of your disscusion-club.
                          Thanks a lot.Edyta.
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Regression therapy
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> Therapies are not suspect to legitimacy, psychotherapists are.
> It is not the therapy that helps the client, the therapist and the client
> that help the client.  To offer an analogy, if a plumber works on a
> house using a monkey wrench, and the house's plumbing goes bad, the
> monkey wrench is not suspect.

I disagree fundamentally.  A therapy's legitimacy is easily as important
as a therapist's legitimacy.  Most clients come to a clinician because they
are clinically "ill" or because they have something about themselves or
their lives that they wish to change.  In short, something is "broken" from
your plumbing analogy, let's say there's a leak in the system somewhere.
	It is of primary importance that the tool that the plumber is
using will be effective at addressing the leak.  Plumbers don't typically
use jackhammers or dynamite.  It is also quite unlikely that one would
see a plumber using Play-Doh.  We take it for granted that plumber's use
the "right" tools when they do their jobs because it is readily observable
whether what they did was successful AND what they did to fix something
is readily replicable.
	These are things that one cannot assume for therapy.  One cannot
say that therapists' typically use the right tools in the same way that
plumbers do because we don't have a consensus "monkey wrench" so to speak.
To say that we should not be critical of a therapy's legitimacy and that
we should only examine a therapist's ethical conduct within the scope
of whatever therapy he/she is using, to me is wrong.  Using an unproven or
dubious therapy is unethical REGARDLESS of the manner in which this therapy
is undertaken (not necessarily from the therapist's point of view - they
may fully believe the therapy is efficacious - I'm talking about from
psychology's point of view).  To continue to let therapists use unproven
treatments is to let plumbers take anvils, jackhammers, dynamite, crystal
shards and belladonna to our pipes.  I think this is what Dave Fresco was
alluding to earlier.

> As long as a therapist is operating within ethical and legal guidelines,
> their psychotherapeutic methods are not suspect to legitimacy.

This may be descriptive (certainly debatable), but I don't think it should
be prescriptive.

Eric Zorrilla
University of Pennsylvania
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:02:00 CDT
From:         Edie Dixon <DIXON@WISCMACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Assigning new barcodes

Jim -- any barcode assigned to the item record is usable -- as you found out.
What I'm curious about is being able to do this while the item was charged out
(adding or changing a barcode)  I thought 5.0 prevented this -- I know it
prevents trying to delete a batrcode of an item charged out.  Were you working
in 5.0 (or 5.0.1)?

Edie Dixon, LIB1
U of Wisconsin
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phone: 608-262-3525
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:05:15 EDT
From:         Betsy Gamble <X8MY@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      New headings list
Comments: cc: Judy Brugger <j2mx@cornellc.BITNET>

Has anyone modified the program which prints the new heading list, or
written a program of their own to list headings on LC copy and
headings on non-LC copy separately?

Betsy Gamble
CTS Original Cataloging Unit
x8my@cornellc.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:47:22 CST
From:         "Michael J. Stephens" <VB7R0007@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      ALA Character Support for IBM 6262 Printer

We are looking into replacing our aging 4245 band printer and 3727 page
printer.  The page printer will be replaced by two 3825's.  The 4245 will
be replaced by a 6262 model 014.  The documents list an ALA print band
option number 6475438 for the 6262.  Does anyone now use this printer for
producing NOTIS reports with diacritics?  It would be much nicer if IBM
would offer an equivalent font for their page printers, but I have no such
hopes in the near future.  We have had good service from the 4245 with its
ALA print band, but its maintenance charges are gettng to be prohibitive.

Thanks for any information...

Michael J. Stephens, Tech1
Sr. Systems Analyst II           *  Phone:    (214) 692-3453
Computer & Information Services  *  FAX:      (214) 692-3449
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:16:00 CST
From:         STEFFERJ@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Overdue and item needed notices

The message on recall notices (To avoid fine of $... per day...) is
fixed and appears once again with NOTIS 5.0.2.
_______________________________________________________________________________
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From:         "ADKO000 Kathleen Olivier - Computer Center" <ADKO@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Loading Authority Records

An eon or so ago we had a similar problem loading authority records
due to the fact that our name/series headings were mixed on one
tape (while subject headings were separate and posed no problems.)
Our solution (at the 4.5/4.6 level) was to adjust LCB94 to check
both heading use codes for names AND serials and convert the 'a' to
a 'c' accordingly.  I have no idea if this change would work in a
post-4.6 environment, but if this sounds like a viable solution, I'd
be happy to send the fairly simple code change to you.

Kathleen Olivier (TECH 1)
UPRLC (Hosted at Northern Michigan University)
Marquette, Michigan
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From:         Grace Tsai <GTSAI@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Terminals hung in KWB serach

Soon after NOTISearch 1.0 was installed this semester, some of the
terminals here were discovered hung in KWB searches.  This has happened
several time.  e.g., the system programmer found that the keyword
searches K=RECORDER and K=TEX hung up in the evening of 4/8/92, but
I tried those two searches in the moring of 4/9/92, they were ok.
The system programmer asked me to ask NOTIS-L the following questions :

(1) What's the value you put for the "Maximum number of simultaneous KWB
    searches:" in NSYS

(2) the CISIZE of your temp storage dataset

(3) the number of records of cylinders they have allocated.

Can somebody answer these questions please? Thanks in advance.
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get notis-l log9203c
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:45:10 EDT
From:         Rob Kairis <RKAIRIS@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ASRA in LPC118P

I just wanted to thank all those who responded to my message of 3/23/92,
regarding an ABEND ASRA in the t=elvis OPAC search.  The fix broadcast by
Timothy Prettyman has been implemented here at Kent State and seems to do
the job nicely (NOTIS has also adopted the fix)--a special thanks to Mr.
Prettyman.

Rob Kairis
Systems Librarian
Kent State University
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:56:00 EDT
From:         Janet Woody <JWOODY@VCUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Abend S80A

At Virginia Commonwealth University, we are plagued with frequent system
abends popularly know as "S80A" along with the message "CICS short of
extended storage".  We are not enjoying this.  Can anyone shed light on
this situation?  We are in consultation with NOTIS Systems.

Our environment:
CICS 2.1; MVS/XA; IBM3084Q; NOTIS 5.0.1/MDAS 1.2

Thank you in advance for any help diagnosing this problem.

PS - we do use NOTIS Search

Janet Woody                                 jwoody@vcuvax
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University Library Services                 FAX: 804/367-0151
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From:         Jim Cruse <CN.NX8@STANFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Assigning new barcodes

I need a little reality check.  I've been playing around with circ
functions after our training.  I was curious to see what happened
when one assigned a new barcode to an item.  I tabbed down to the
second ITEM ID field and scanned in a new number.  The system
accepted it and when I redisplayed the item, it showed 3 ITEM ID
fields, one with the new barcode, one with the old barcode, and a
blank one presumably for another new barcode.

Then I realized that I had done this while the item was charged out
to a borrower.  I was suprized that it let me do this.  I would have
thought that would be a no-no.

Then I tried discharging it and I was able to discharge the item
with the old barcode.  Suprize again!  So then I tried charging the
item to another borrower using the old number.  Again, suprize when
I could do that!

I would have thought that assigning a new barcode would make the old
one unusable.  Obviously this is not the case.....right?

Jim Cruse

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Date: 10 Apr 92 19:16:54 GMT
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We have started using the worksheets produced by LB020JC to control workflow.
One of our libraries was using catalog cards for that job now that they are
not needed as a shelf list.  They are finding that the worksheets are
occasionally coming out garbled.  The bib record part looks ok, but the
holdings record is either missing or has the wrong call number (indicating
the wrong record was printed?).  Looking at the records online shows the
correct records are in place.  Has anyone out there found a similar problem.
And, is there a fix or is this a new problem I should report to NOTIS?
Thanks...

Michael J. Stephens, Tech1
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