From: cdpst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Christophe D Piccolo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: "Won't Get Fooled Again" and other assorted ramblings
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:40:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <184220@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:
>A secret society of former well known net.heads has been formed known
>as the "Wheel".   
>>(description by anonymous source of George Lambert)
>> the Wheel is a special Dead-Flames type mailing list set up by the "elders"
>> of the net so that they didn't have to deal with the chaff on r.m.gd.
>> there is an initiation process by which i mean they discuss you and if
>> you are deemed worthy you are issued an invitation. 

I'll comment on this a bit later, look for the big *.....

>> was accepted and found the whole thing so distasteful that he resigned.
>> he told me and some other friends about it. subsequently he issued a
>> public resignation to the Wheel.  

I'm a little slow, it's 2am, but how do you publicly resign from a
secret society? :-)
>>
>DICKS and DACKS are acronyms that are not very pleasant, and I will, for the
>time being, leave it to the person who coined them to define their meaning.

Do we get separate busses on the next Europe tour? Remember, in
some circles, Deadhead is a pretty unflattering thing to be called...

>Not only do they, or some of them, think some of us, or all of us are scum,
>there are a few, or more than a few, who, in their secret society, have come
>to believe some of their fellow members are scum!  This is based on some
>other pieces of correspondence containing actual postings from the society.
>In short, they've succeeded in the creation of a perfect microcosmic model of
>the macrocosmic entity they sought to escape.

Well, here's my take on the situation...I havent kept a runnin tab as
to who has bailed out from r.m.gdead, the 3 I really notice are
Wharfie and John Wood, and eagle.  Not to slight anyone else who has left us,
or gone into lurk mode, mind you.  I read the net for 
1. band info -> whre, when, how close to me.
                It's not like this info is gonna dry up due to the creation
                of this wheel thing.

2. Tape trading -> I suppose the possibility exists that someone who
                  considers me scum might just have a killer reel to reel
                  of some obscure show in 65 when Jerry had a sore throat
                  so it was Easy Wind -> Lovelight -> Good Lovin ->
                  Smokestack->King bee ->midnight hour E: BIODTL, and
                   by not being on that special bus I'll never hear it.
                  But i've gone twenty some years without it, and i'm not
                    all that terribly worse for it...

3. Dead related discussion -> Hell, I enjoyed the first two go rounds of
                             The sugar mags is sexist thread.  Plus, ya
                             never know when some newbie is going to suddenly
                             say something that suddenly shows you things
                             in a whole new light.  

>  I think what you and I agree on is the RIGHT of people to be individuals,
>and to respect those with the strength to be just that.  And while I agree
>with your assessment that there is a dangerous amount of homogeneity
>creeping (or has been there for quite some time, actually) amongst Deadheads, 
>I still find a far greater number of independent characters there than in any 
>other societal grouping I'm either forced or choose to hang out in.

(Okay, folks, big *)

Yeah, silly me went to my first show not wearing a tie dye, birkenstocks,
and guatemalen peasant pants.  I figured since i was welcome hgere in 
netland, things would be cool at the show.  For the most part they were, but
I did hit enough of the folkes who, to quote one net sage "Missed the bus
in their own special way." to make me think about it.
To them, i guess i failed my initiation.  
>
>So, you may ask, what the hell am I posting this for?  Part of it is the person
>in me that listens for the great Cosmic Giggle.  That evidences itself in the
>already mentioned irony of what these 'elders' wound up creating for 
>themselves.  Chalk one up for "Those who fail to learn from history are
>condemned to repeat it."

If this list ever does get published, it'll probably give me a good 
chuckle to see exactly who got "elder" status when i compare it with
who i remember being around when i started lurking back in '87.
>
>Part of it is the old Berkeley student in me, who likes to expose things.  

We covered the nudity at shows thread last month, you'll have to wait
until next summer tour to bring this subject up again :-)

>This ain't Watergate, maybe we can put it in its place and call it 
>Wheelgate, or ignore it completely.  That choice belongs, obviously, to each

Borrowing from latest net.grain.of.sand, Joe Hack, perhaps we should
all "take a step back".  So some folkes went off and formed a private
mailing list.  It's not like they have a monopoly on dead info, tapes,
tickets, or insights.  Right now im sure I could ask if anyone out 
there thinks It must have been the roses is about a guy carrying his
dearly departed lady's corpse around, and some complete newbie will
go "hey, i've thought that a time or two also."

If being in/on "the Wheel" ever leads to favor from the folks in the
Mail Order office, maybe, just maybe I'll fret...till then, i'm happy
sliding (obobscureguitarplayerreference).
>
>I can't end this without explaining my own position on the net...I exposed them,
>it wouldn't be fair if I didn't open my own kimono a bit.  

Have you sought help on this exposure thing?

Flames, Discussion, etc, welcome

Peace
Chris