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From: Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu>
Subject: Re: associating fonts to applications
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7295E66D4050205@isbdeskmac.acs.unt.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06: 30:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.094744.22299@tdb.uu.se> Mats Bredell,
bredell@tdb.uu.se writes:
>I don't get it ... why would you like to do this? Storing the font inside
>the application instead of in the system (or font folder in 7.1) won't
save
>you any disk space. It would save some RAM when you're not running this
>particular application, but a font usually take about 20-50 bytes from
the
>RAM when it's not being used so it wouldn't be worth it.

Though they are unusual, there are situations in which this is a very
useful trick. I administered a Mac network that had several Mac Plus
workstations that started up off 800K startup disks. Needless to say,
space was at a premium on these disks, so I installed the font for the
music notation software that was on our net into the music program
itself, rather than the respective system files. It worked like a charm
for the music software, and prevented people from accidentally turning
their word processing document into a hideous collection of music
symbols, as the font was only available to the program that used it.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Pete Kelly <pfkelly@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: ThoughtPattern 2.0 upgrade?
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:45:37 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research/Northern Telecom
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:44:49 GMT

Subject: ThoughtPattern 2.0 upgrade?
From: Mike Schatz, schatz@chaos.utexas.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:28:20 GMT
In article <SCHATZ.92Nov10082820@chaos.utexas.edu> Mike Schatz,
schatz@chaos.utexas.edu writes:
>Has anyone obtained the upgrade to ThoughtPattern 2.0 (personal organizer
>software)?  I've sent e-mail to Bananafish and haven't received any
response.
>
>Mike
>
>schatz@chaos.utexas.edu

Called their main number yesterday and evidently a LOT of people are
asking this question because the recording says it will be released
sometime in December.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: world
From: bobg@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca (Bob M. Grahame)
Organization: EdgeWays! InfoLink - A FirstClass GUI BBS - "The Edge of Communications and GateWays to the World." North Vancouver, BC Canada
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 15:39:00 PST
Subject: Re: Screen Shot program

There is one called FlashIt! in my library. I have tried it and it seems to do
the job well enough. User definable key to open, you select the area you want
using a cross hair, and then have a choice of how you want to save it.

See Ya!

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From: oberem@carson.u.washington.edu (Graham Oberem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: shareware mail
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:47:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

I am looking for a shareware mail program to run on a minimal
apple-talk network.  All the commerical products seem to have
far more than we need.

Any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Re: Stuffit Lite anomaly (not bug)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:14:49 GMT

In article <Anders.Holm-111192175746@mac1.elmat.lth.se> Anders.Holm@elmat.lth.se (Anders Holm) writes:
>I've encountered something strange with my Stuffit Lite (registered? yes!).
>I do not know if really is in SL or somewhere else however it is only
>visible with SL.
>
>Strange 1: When I ran SL for the first time it the launchin was interrupted
>by two
>AppleShare logon dialog boxes with my old disk name filled in! I dismissed
>this dialog box but up comes another one (same wording). The program runs
>fine
>after this. No problems at all.
>
	This is a known bug in StuffIt Lite 3.0.1, which was fixed for StuffIt
Lite 3.0.2 (and later).  The problem is that Lite was resolving ALL of the
aliases in your Prefs folder, including such things as "Last Edition Used".

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price)
Subject: Re: SpaceSaver or AutoDoubler?
Reply-To: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Particle Physics Research Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.153545.1@tesla.njit.edu>, erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold) writes:

	[...about AutoDoubler...]

>First, I want the default to be no compression.  

This doesn't make sense.  If the default is to be "don't compress," then 
why bother getting *any* transparent compressor?  DiskDoubler would be 
better for this, from what I understand about it (I use AD, not DD).

           John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
           Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: rhcohen@netcom.com (Robert Cohen)
Subject: Re: Help with Managing Your Money
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:36:43 GMT

Rajesh,
I notice that MYM 5.0 has an import transactions function (using
QIF, quicken interchange format).  Perhaps the MECA folk could be 
persuaded to outline the format for you so that you can just reformat
your old PC MYM data.

Good luck.  If you find out anything, I'd appreciate it as I have
a similar problem.

Robert Cohen

Rajesh Chawla (raj@gdstech.grumman.com) wrote:
: 
: Hi,
: 
: I just got a Mac IIci.  I have Managing Your Money (Version 8.0) on
: the PC and have about 8 months of financial data in it.
: 
: Does anyone have a scheme for moving the data from the PC to the Mac?
: 
: I have talked to the company that puts MYM out (MECA) and they say it
: can't be done.  I was hoping someone had already done the impossible.
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From: grekin@fisherman.hac.com (Igor Grekin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SMTP between macs and Unix workstations
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:33:45 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company
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X-XXDate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:38:46 GMT

In article <1dborhINNmt0@network.ucsd.edu> David B. Wollner,
dbw@network.ucsd.edu writes:
>
Eudora Mail package is one of the best packages available for Macs. It
requires 
MacTCP, POP Server on a Unix Host.

The user has an option to leave mail on a Unix host or download mail to a
Mac.

The Eudora and POP Server software are available on several systems.
From: blade@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: XWindows on the Mac???
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:20:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Does anyone know of a program which lets a Mac logged into a Unix
machine over a high-speed modem serve as an XWindows display?

Will MacX do this?  Are there any other programs that will?

Thanks,
David

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:16940 comp.sys.mac.misc:18960
From: ccmlh@buitc.bu.edu (Mark Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Norton Backup - will it eat Chicago?
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:31:52 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: ccmlh@buitc.bu.edu

I own the Norton Utilities for the Macintosh, and am debating whether
or not to switch from DiskFit to Norton Backup for system backups.
 
My concern about Norton Backup is this: as far as I can tell from
reading the manual and a little experimentation, once a file, or
a version of a file, gets into a backup set, it stays there forever.
If you update a file every day, and backup every day, you wind up
with dozens of copies in no time. And if you're like me, constantly
downloading stuff, playing with it for a while, then trashing it,
you wind up with an ENORMOUS backup set very quickly.
 
Anyone having experience with this product, please tell me,
is this understanding correct? Do backup sets just grow and grow
and grow, or is older stuff ever deleted?

Thanks,

	Mark Hayes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: macnei@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Mike MacNeill)
Subject: 'Tape' Backup
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:33:24 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

Damn I hate vi.

A couple of nights ago I had a strange dream in which I was backing up my
harddrive using an LCII and a tape-recorder hooked up to the sound input
and output ports.  This is quite strange as I've had a MacII since 1987 and
have no wish to downgrade yet.  Today, though, while trying to stay awake
in class, I started thinking about and doing some preliminary calculations.

If one wanted to backup his harddrive on cassette tapes, you would have to be
reasonably sure it was going to work.  Personnally, I have had a number of times
where I have put stuff on floppies to archive it, only to have the disk 
deteriorate to the point where I can't read it anymore (Lifetime waranty HA)
          
This is part of the reason why I don't back up my harddrive.  The other reason
is that I don't wish to waste the space to hold 80disks somewhere, and basically
I'm too lazy to sit there for a couple hours and flip disks.

On the other hand, If one could hook a tape recorder up to the sound input and
output ports of a Mac,  AND be able to store at least 10mb on one side of
a 90minute tape (ie 45minutes) then I believe I might borrow a friends IIsi
to do this chore (once a year maybe :) .  Here are a few prelimary calculations
I have done.

1) 10mb = 10240K = 10,485,760 bytes = 83,886,080 bits

2) 45 minutes = 2700 seconds

3) Therefore, you would have to be able to store and be able to read back
   31,000 bits per second.

I have been thinking of several ways in which this could be accomplished.
Data compression comes to mind, as well as adding two bits to every byte
so that if it screws up it can fix itself.
The question is, can the Mac output sound well enough and then listen to
that same sound, and figure out what it is.

If any of you high-tech programmers wish to try this, all I ask is that
you give me a copy of the beast.  I do have limited experience with
Think C, but not enough to tweak the sound input & output the way I would
like.

Comments?
From: yama@muras1.waseda.ac.jp (Mr. Hayato YAMANA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: CopyDoubler made GateKeeper flip (maybe)
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: yama@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Muraoka Lab., Electric and Communication , School of Science and
	Engineering, WASEDA University
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: muras1.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp

In article <1992Nov06.210745.18190@jlc.mv.com> scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon) writes:

> From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
> Date: 6 Nov 92 21:07:45 GMT
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone else had this problem...I've had GateKeeper 1.26 on
> my IIci for a while now, and it's been pretty quiet.  However, after I installed
> the CopyDoubler demo control panel, it flipped.  When I booted up it gave me
> a dozen warnings (it stopped giving me individual dialogs after 3 and just said
> ...................................
> Incidentally GateKeeper said that the INIT errors were "very suspicious".
> 
> Is this really CD or do I have a virus?  I didn't install anything else
> new except CD (in the System Folder) and an application off Sumex which I 
> figured would be safe...
> 

It's not virus. It's a conflict between GateKeeper and CopyDoubler.
The GateKeeper(1.2.6) and DiskDoubler(3.7.7) have also conflict.
It was reported in info-mac's digest (about 3 or 4 weeks ago).
The digest reported that the author of the GateKeeper was now in
progress on GateKeepers's version-up.

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From: knapp@cs.purdue.edu (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Utilities Package
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:59:22 -0500
Organization: Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cabernet.cs.purdue.edu
Summary: Get Public Utilities

In article <16830@umd5.umd.edu> you write:
>I currently have SUMII, which is evidently out of date.  What do people
>recommend as a general utilities package for Macs?  Here is what I use
>SUMII for, more-or-less in order of frequency (not necessarily
>importance):

I just got a copy of Public Utilties curtesy of Fifth Generation, since
I own four of their other products already.

>1.  Tune up hard disk (degragment files and free space),

PU does include a defragmentation utility, and it works fine as far as
I can tell. I only tried it once to make sure it works, since I use
DiskExpress II in the background.

>2.  Read data from floppies that have become unreadable for various
>reasons,

Includes a variety of choices for that purpose, but I haven't had
occasion to try it out (fortunately).

>3.  Alter file type/creator,

I use ResEdit or DiskTop for that. But PU can do it, too.

>4.  Scan through a disk or a file in hex mode.

Can be done only manually (for both data and resource fork), as far as
I can tell.

>I am not particularly interested in backup/restore (I have DiskFit pro
>and I like it), HD partitioning, or encryption/decryption.

None of these features in included in PU. But here is the nice part:

PU does the most thorough checks of all recovery programs I know
(Norton, SUM, MacTools, Disk First Aid). It is maybe even a little too
picky.

It includes Prevention, an INIT that checks for problems in the
background and alerts you when it finds serious problems (hasn't
happened yet for me). What is even better is that the Undelete
feature of Prevention works well with AutoDoubler, in contrast to
Norton FileSaver or MacTools Mirror.

The interface is very well done. All in all, I think that we have a
winner here.

Edgar Knapp

(knapp@cs.purdue.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: jbk@world.std.com (Jeffrey B Kane)
Subject: Re: Image Processing via AppleEvents
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:40:19 GMT

Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin) writes:

>Hi. We are looking for an Image Processing application which is driveable
>by AppleEvents, so we can integrate it with other things we are working
>on. Does anyone know of such a package? Please note that we want a fairly
>general range of image processing functions, not just those for image
>enhancement, but all suggestions are welcome.
>Thanks. 

>Ralph

I don't know what the state of development was but PixelPaint was supposed
to roll a lot of Apple Event functionality into their next release.
Give SuperMac a call.
               Jeffrey
From: Gretchen_C._Macdowall@fourd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: PCX to some MAC format
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:07:46 GMT
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS

<< I'm looking for a some translator from PCX graphics format
to some of Mac formats.>>
   
You can import PCX files into Photoshop and then save them in any Mac format.
But you are probably looking for a cheaper solution.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Subject: Looking for photo and painting/graphics program...
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:55:24 GMT


Hi folks.  It seems I post this question at least 3 times a year, nad
here it goes again.  I have need for a photo-retouch/manipulation
program.  I'd also like to have some painting/drawing capabilities in
the program.  Create my own paintings as well as illustrations (there's
a difference).

So what's the best for the money out there to manipulate and retouch
photos?  I've looked at Photoshop but I think this is only black and
white....  no colour photo manipulations (although you can add
colour).  Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I never did like PixelPaint... its SLOOWWWWWWWW and clumsy.

Some people think Canvas 3.0 is the cat's meow.  I dunno.... I also
don't like the prices of some of these programs.  EXPENSIVE!!

Could that $29 cheapy in MacWarehouse (Expert Paint) handle anything
reaonsably complex?  I also need to import and export a variety of
formats (TIFF, GIF, PICT, maybe EPS).

Any recs?  Sorry I can't be moer specific.  Its hard to figure out what
I really need among all the feature-laden products out there.

- Hacker
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"I am the very instantiation of object oriented evil!"
From: brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Mac WordPerfect 2.0.1 question?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:00:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


      Here's some *REAL* voodoo ...

      I just got called out on the floor by someone who is working
   on their thesis in WP for the Mac (yeah, I know - but it's the
   University's standard) and they were having troubles with the
   apostrophe disappearing.  I looked at it and it seems that the
   code for processing single quote marks pulls some *neat* tricks.

      If you have "childrens" and you want to make it possessive,
   you move between the "n" and "s" and hit the apostrophe/single
   quote.  Somehow (ooh - that magical explanation) the processor
   realizes that it doesn't have a left and right "set" and makes
   the single quote invisible - the "Show Codes" has it invis, but
   the "Page Preview" shows the space being taken by *something*

      Conveniently, the user had flagged the problems by using
   asterisks - and using "Find" *s and "Change" to 's worked.  I
   started using "Change, then Find" and it didn't seem to be 
   working properly, tho.  Real Mac voodoo here ...

      Anyone?

      andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ljones@utkvx2.utk.edu (Me? Graduated? Nope. Not yet.)
Subject: RE: Ars Magna
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:48:00 GMT

     I requested Ars Magna hours ago, and Ephraim Vishniac <ephraim@Think.COM>
was kind enough to mail it to me. I have converted it with BinHex and will 
upload it to sumex-aim tonight. It will probably be available
for FTP by early next week.
     Incidentally, the interface is lousy and it screws up your screen,
but this is a hell of a piece of software if you love anagrams. I'm 
sending in my shareware fee of $10 to encourage furure versions.

Leslie
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From: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SpaceSaver or AutoDoubler?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 12:11:16 PST
Organization: Fifth Generation Systems
Reply-To: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <BARNETT.92Nov9105449@grymoire.crd.ge.com> (comp.sys.mac.apps), barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) writes:
> What does SS, DD, etc do on a directory containing GIF
> files? They are already compressed, and it is unlikely they can be
> compressed again and be smaller than before.
> 
> Do these programs mark such a file as uncompressible?
...
DD does not attempt to compress GIF files.

for all FGS products FIFTHGEN@aol.com
for AutoDoubler & DiskDoubler techsupport@salient.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: barretpj@cs.aston.ac.uk (Phil J Barrett)
Subject: Re: Golden Triangle Times Two
Reply-To: barretpj@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:49:59 GMT

In article 92Nov4131423@coffee.tadtec.uucp, tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele) writes:
>There would seem to be a theoretical difficulty with disk driver level
>compression.
>
>Chris Brown says that the software reports disks as being twice as
>big, presumably on the grounds that the compression routines in the
>driver average a 50% saving.
>
>Now here's the catch: that's an AVERAGE.  Anyone who has played with
>compression programs (or knows about information theory) will know
>that some files actually get BIGGER when they are compressed.  It all
>depends on the amount of redundancy in the information. 
>
>So what happens if you start filling your disk up with files that
>Times Two can't compress?  Does it readjust its estimate of how big
>the disk is, or does it fall over in a heap?
>
>Tim
>
>

I spotted this during the (very slick) demo at Apple Expo UK last week. Even
with an empty SyQuest, the Finder said '8.4M used' (or some similar amount).
It turns out that TimesTwo reports as 'used' any space which isn't available
due to files not compressing to half size. So on a "full" '80M' (40Mx2) disk,
there may be 80M of your data, or 60M data and 20M used by a TimesTwo invisible
file, or even (if all your data is StuffIt files) 35M of your files and a
45M invisible file. In the opposite case, you could have 80M of TIFF files
and actually have 30M free on the real disk - which you can't get at.

Yes, the Finder (and everybody else) sees 80M, but not necessarily 80M of your
data. It's a pretty neat solution.

Phil

(I'm pretty sure the above is right - but don't rely on it!!)

From: papillo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Ellison)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:18:44 GMT
Subject: PPNT documents?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps

Can someone tell me what application produces PPNT documents, or maybe
a way to convert them to TIFF or GIF or somesuch?

A friend of mine who studied raster-based graphics as an undergrad has
a bunch of such documents on floppy, and wanted to know if I could
view them on my sytem - but I don't have the creating application and I
don't know what to substitute...

Bob Ellison, HP Fort Collins