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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:16:50 EDT
From:         SHARYN LADNER <SLADNER%UMIAMI.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I hope the article that Hope Tillman and I wrote on "Using the
Internet for Reference" which appeared in the January 1993 issue
of _Online_ will help convince librarians that "perual of the net"
is NOT play time and is very much APPROPRIATE FOR OFFICIAL LIBRARY
TIME.

I would encourage reference librarians not to hide their use
of the Internet -- rather, to demonstrate its usefulness whenever
they can.  In our article we feature lists like LIBREF-L, MEDLIB-L
and BUSLIB-L to show how rapid communication among colleagues
made possible through Internet lists facilitates reference service.
Yes, dialing into OPACs and other remote databases is useful,
but it is the communication that takes place over the net
through, for example, the posting of "does anybody know?" type
questions that makes the Internet such a valuable reference tool.

There will always be people who think that if it's fun, it can't
be work -- and ya gotta admit, reading e-mail can be fun, even
hilarious, at times.  And, you can't spend all of your time at
work perusing your email (which is why I'm writing this at 9 pm
Friday night, at home).  But IMHO, neither should we hide our
use of this medium during working hours.  I have received answers
to patron questions that I spent hours looking for in print
sources through posting questions to lists like LIBREF-L and
BUSLIB-L --and some came within hours of posting them.  To
me, this is truly amazing -- which is why we wrote the article
for _Online_.  We wanted to share this incredible communications
tool with our colleagues.

<off soapbox> :-)

Sharyn ladner
Business Librarian
University of Miami (FL)
sladner@umiami.ir.miami.edu
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Subject:      Re: Document delivery and journal cuts
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              22 Jan 1993 23:12:00 EDT from
              <SCHREINE%TWSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------


On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 you said:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I am beginning to feel like I am harrassing this list regarding document
>delivery so I apologize for MORE questions to all of you.
>

Rebecca,
       You might want to subscribe to the Interlibrary Loan List
       ILL-L@UVMVM where there is a lively discussion of document
       delivery issues.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RICK UTTICH                            PHONE:    718-270-4877
MEDGAR EVERS COLLEGE LIBRARY           FAX:      718-270-5147
OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK     BITNET:   RUIME@CUNYVM
1650 BEDFORD AVE.                      INTERNET: RUIME@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
BROOKLYN, NY 11225

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:19:34 EDT
From:         Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Reference Use of the Internet
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I concur with Larry Schankman.  Internet reference sources must be studied
and kept abreast with in the same way as we try to do for other e-sources
and print sources.   While I realize that technology access inhibits many
people from doing efficient work at the reference desk, I think that such
things as Reference by Appointments (what we call individual consultations
with a reference librarian..for in-depth service) would be good places
to begin practicing or perhaps dabbling in the possibilities.  That's
how I started.  I monitor Hytelnet and watch the main e-mail based conferences
in the subject areas for which I am the primary reference contact.  In my
case those are Humanist and Shakesper.  Barbara Schloman, Julie McDaniel
and I have just finished a book chapter on strategies for using Internet
sources for reference service.  It is in press at the moment but I can send
drafts to people who are interested.
Cheers!  Diane  dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu dkovacs@kentvm
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:37:55 EDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART%vmd.cso.uiuc.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      !!!Correction on Clinton Address
Comments: To: libref-l@kentvm.kent.edu

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

My apologies. . .the orginal message presupposed you were already in the
etext directory.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Project Gutenberg has posted Clinton's Inaugural Address.

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password you@your.machine
cd etext/etext93    <<   CORRECT
get clinton1.txt
quit


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:00:42 EDT
From:         jhunt@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Subject:      COMPUTERIZED REFERENCE SERVICES LIBRARIAN

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would be most grateful to anyone willing to share with me a position
announcement or job description for a "Computerized Reference
Services Librarian."  We soon hope to embark upon a recruiting
campaign for such an animal, and there is some disagreement here
about what the job should entail.  Many thanks in advance.  Please
send responses to me at:  jhunt@dhvx20.csudh.edu.

                                Jim Hunt
                                Director of Reference Services
                                California State University
                                Dominguez Hills
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From:         Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Bibliotherapy.
Comments: To: libref-l@kentvm.kent.edu

I too am interested in this subject.  Are any libref-l subscribers involved
with bibliotherapy?  What kind of things do you do?
Diane
dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:06:19 EDT
From:         "Carmel O'Sullivan, Library,
              DCU" <75000563%vax1.dcu.ie@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Mission Statements
Comments: To: libref-l@kentvm.kent.edu

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Greetings from Ireland

We, at Dublin City University Library, are presently involved in a
strategic planning process and I am particularly interested in mission
statements or statements of customer service for Reader Services departments
or for Reference departments.

I would be very grateful if any of the members of this list who have produced
such statements would be willing to send me a copy.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Carmel O'Sullivan
Head of Reader Services
Library
Dublin City University
Dublin 9
Ireland
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:20:51 EDT
From:         Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Libref-L Weekly Digest

Spencer,
It is a typo.  I sent a correction immediately after.  I've set
you manually.
Cheers!
Di
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:07:32 EDT
From:         NAME DAN NORSTEDT <NORSTEDA%UWEC.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      ref request
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We no longer have international telephone directories at this
library. Would someone please provide the telephone number of Hotel
Ecoles, Rue du Cardinal, Lemoine in Paris, and the address of KaDeWe
(Kaufhaus des Westens) in Berlin?

Thank you very much.

Dan Norstedt norsteda@uwec.edu
norsteda@uwec.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:57:05 EDT
From:         Julie Still <STILL@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      email reference

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

There is also an article in the latest Reference Services Review.  It
focuses on the use of electronic mail as an alternative to patrons
coming in the library or phoning.  As one of the authors I cannot objectively
speak to its quality or utility but interested parties may want to give
it a look-see.

Julie Still
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:29:00 EST
From:         Lee Schultz <SCHULTZ@WOOSTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Another minor problem witn jnet_images_to_install logical

A short time ago I posted the following message from Wingra:

>Lee,

>Thank you for finding the error with the JAN_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL logical
>and the release notes. Thank you, too, for agreeing to post this to
>JNET-L.  We appreciate your help in this matter.  Following is text that
>explains the error.

>===============================================================================
>In section 1.3 in the New and Enhanced Features section of the JNET036 release
>notes, the logical JAN_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL is incorrectly described. An
>examination of JANSTART.COM will show that the logical that is looked for is
>not JAN_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL but actually JNET_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL.  When
>defining the logical to re-install images please use JNET_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL
>for now.  This will be corrected to JAN_IMAGES_TO_INSTALL in the next release
>of Jnet.
>
>The release notes also say to place the logical definition in JANCOMMON.COM.
>This should read JANSITECOMMON.COM.

>We apologize for any inconvenience or confusion that this may have caused.
>===============================================================================

>Lee, thank you again for your time and patience.

>Regards,

>Mike V.


Since I have been in the process of installing a new VAX 4000-500 (replacing
2 VAX 11/750s 8{) ), I did not have much of a chance to really test it out.

I just checked this morning (Friday, Jan 22), it does not work! The images
are NOT installed with the requested privileges.

After poking around in JANSTART.COM, I believe I have discovered a minor bug
in the procedure. JANSTART.COM does a test to determine if there are images
being requested to be installed. The test performed is

$ if f$type(jnet_images_to_install).eqs. "" then goto INSTALL_SITE2

The DCL Dictionary says that F$TYPE returns the data type of a SYMBOL. Since
jnet_images_to_install is a LOGICAL NAME and not a symbol, the requested
file(s) are not processed.

I installed the following line just above the test and everything appears to
work as expected (the image is installed with the proper privilege).

$ jnet_images_to_install = f$trnlnm("jnet_images_to_install")


I hope this information is of some help to some of you out there.

Please note that I am in the process of moving the last of everything to the
new system beginning Monday morning. I probably will not be able to respond
and/or reply to any messages until sometime late next week.

*****************************************************************************
Lee Schultz
Assistant Director, Systems and Networking                   (216) 263 - 2242
Academic Computing Services, College of Wooster      SCHULTZ @ WOOSTER.bitnet
Wooster, Ohio  44691  USA                           SCHULTZ @ acs.WOOSTER.edu
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From:         Pasztor Miklos <PASZTOR@ASZI.SZTAKI.HU>
Subject:      What is the effect of DRAIN and HOLD ?

 Jneters,

 I wonder what the effect of the DRAIN and HOLD attributes are.
 I understand the effect of the HOLD attribute on the local node (it
 prevents the use of the FINGER = CPQ NAMES command), but I cannot
 figure out from the manual anything else. It states, that
 "the interpretation of these attributes depends on the link driver"

 I have DECNET, and TCP/IP links. I do not find anything in the
 corresponding chapters.

 I wish to have effects like
 - please let just interactive messages through, but no files, or
 - please transmit files, but do not receive any or vica versa.

 Thank you in advance for your help.

  Miklos

 Pa'sztor Miklo's            | E-mail: pasztor@hugbox.bitnet
 MTA SZTAKI/ASZI Budapest
 Victor H. u. 18-22          | Phone:  (36)-(1)-149-75-32
 Institute for Computation and Automation,
 Hungarian Academy of Sciences
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From:         Howard Frederick <hfrederick@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers

                [ Please respond to hfrederick@igc.apc.org ]
                     Call for Papers*Deadline Extended

                    International Communication Section
         INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR MASS COMMUNICATION RESEARCH

                            "Europe in Turmoil:
               Communication and Democracy in Civil Society"
        Hosted by School of Communications, Dublin City University
                        June 25-26 Dublin, Ireland

     Three forces compete for the hearts and minds of Europe's attentive
publics--government, market, and civil society.  In Europe, as elsewhere,
governments and markets control the major channels of public opinion
formation, so they usually prevail.  But new channels (both interpersonal
and technological) have transformed our capacity to build and maintain
long-distance coalitions and networks.  New regional and global forces are
now using new channels of communication to fight problems whose scale
previously confounded local and national solution.  We call this the
"transnationalization of civil participation."

     The International Communication Section seeks papers for two panels
describing the scope and impact of channels promoting communication and
democracy in Europe's civil societies.  From the environment to women, from
neighborhood conflict resolution to computer networks, from radio to
publishing, from universities to the labor movement:  Civil society is
producing new media to distribute its culture and information.  Market- and
government-controlled media have not been able to provide reliable and
diversified information essential to democracy.  We will accept articles
from outside Europe if they focus on channels of civil and democratic
communication relevant "Europe in Turmoil."

     Paper abstracts accepted until February 15.  Important:  Final papers
must be submitted via *email or on diskette* by April 15, 1992, no
exceptions.  For submissions, contact:  Howard H. Frederick, President,
International Communication Section of IAMCR, P.O.B. 94653, Pasadena, CA
91109 USA Voice:  +1-818-568-0994  Email:  hfrederick@igc.apc.org
Fax: +1-818-791-2205 "Attention CLAIRE"

     For more information on the Dublin conference, contact Paschal
Preston, School of Communications, Dublin City University, Glasnevin DUBLIN
9, IRELAND  Tel:  +353 1 7045478  Fax:  +353 1 704 5447
E-Mail:  PrestonP@dcu.ie
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From:         ADAM <PAYNE@BABSON.BITNET>

Please subscribe me to your mailing lists.
We are currently doing research on course materials for MBA's on
Czechoslovakia.

Thanks.

Payne@Babson.Bitnet
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From:         "bgcict::ososo"@ATGBOX.BITNET

           T.V. PROGRAMS PLANNING AND BROADCASTING


     The responsibilities  of a  Broadcast Expert  in Kanal/
Channel 1/ of  the Bulgarian  National Television  (BNT) are
planning, programing, composing, arrangement, presenting and
advertising of  the whole T.V. production from the beginning
to  the   very  end.   Presently  the   BNT  is   undergoing
administrative, financial and organizational reconstruction.
The BNT  will no longer be a budgetary but a self-sustaining
institution.  This  process  demands  active  and  competent
participation of  the staff,  professional attitude and what
is much  more important  - new  ideas. Having  in mind these
demands we would like to ask for assistance in the following
ares:


     1. SATISFYING THE INTEREST OF THE AUDIENCE

     Starting competitive channels, principles of
competition. Starting private T.V. productions competitive
on the market and thus securing returns.

     2. PLANNING AND BROADCASTING

     Monthly,  weekly,   daily,  per   hour,   per   minute.
Proportion of genres, types, distribution of serials, films,
political journalism,  music, sport,  programs for children,
current information.  Preliminary assessment of a ready T.V.
product placing  it in the program. Normal program broadcast
and possibilities  for interruptions  for important  events.
Program  behaviour   at   times   of   political   campaign,
broadcasting elections,  sessions of  the  Parliament,  etc.
Computerizing of  the program  and broadcasting (changes and
updating).

     3. INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND WORK REQUIREMENTS

     The BNT will join Eurovision.

     4. BROADCASTING OF COMMERCIALS

     What can be advertised and where? What can not be
advertised? How to advertise? How much? How to distribute
commercials?


     Aneta Shipkova      French
     Zorka Georgieva     English, Swedish
     Stefan Mitkov       German
     Nadejda Krusteva    French, English
     Pavlina Detistova   Spanish
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:58:07 PST
From:         Coban Tun <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Burma: Information minister meets foreign journalists

01/19 2110  BURMA - INFORMATION MINISTER MEETS FOREIGN JOURNALISTS

(JAN. 19) PAC RIM INTELLIGENCE REPORT - Brigadier General Myo Thant, leader of
the Information Committee of the State Law and Order Restoration Council (SLORC)
and minister of information, met with journalists from foreignnews services
stationed in Yangon (Rangoon) and journalists from television stations, radio
stations, news agencies, and newspapers currently in Yangon to cover the
National Convention at 0900 in the conference hall of the Department of
Myanmar (Burma) Television and Broadcasting on Prome Road.
   Brig. Gen. Aung Thein, deputy leader of the SLORC Information Committee and
director of the Defense Ministry's Department of Public Relations and
Psychological Warfare and other committee membersColonel Than Tun, joint
adjutant general; Col. Ye Htut, director of the Military History Museum and
the Military Archives; Lieutenant Colonel Kyaw Win, deputy director of the
Directorate of Defense Services Intelligence (DDSI); Lt. Col. Thcin Hart,
director general of the Office of the Committee for Development of Border
Regions and National Races; Lt. Col. Kyaw Thein, staff officer grade-1 from the
DDSIU Kyi Lwin, director general of the Department of Myanmar Television and
Broadcasting; U Aye, director of the Department of Political Affairs of the
Ministry of Foreign Affairs; U Maung Maung Kyaw, director general of the
Directorate of Trade; U Maung Aung, director general of the Department of
Immigration and Manpower; U Win Sein, director general of the Department of
Information and Public Relations; and U Sett Maung, advisor to the Office of
the SLORC.
   Following an introductory speech by Minister Brig. Gen. Myo Thant, the
minister and members of the Information Committee replied to questions related
to the National Assembly raised by 19 journalists from Radio France
International, Germany's ARD Television, NEWSWEEK magazine, Japan's KYODO News
Agency, SANKEI SHIMBUN, YOMIURI SHIMBUN, NIHON KEIZAI, MAINICHI SHIMBUN, ASAHI
SHIMBUN, NHK Television, AFP, AP, BBC, Thailand Television Station, AUSTRALIA
BROADCASTING CORPORATION, and TIME magazine. The meeting ended at 1130.
   From Radio Burma in Burmese
   Date 12 January 1993
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From:         Ian Chai <spectre@UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re:SG: Gopher Listserve (used to be Diary, 1/18/93)(fwd)

stngiam@ATHENA.MIT.EDU berkata:
>Has anyone received a response from the listserver at solomon.technet.sg
>yet?  The syntax of the instructions given seem to deviate from the
>usual listserv commands (admittedly, it's not a bitnet site).  It's
>unusual for a listserv not to acknowledge receipt or issue an error
>message, though.

Yeah, I was wondering about it, too. I haven't heard anything from them
yet, either.

Ian
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From:         Ian Chai <spectre@UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      SIFLASH-LIST

I figured out what's wrong with the SIFLASH listserver -- it finally
replied today saying there's no list "LIST". Apparently, the instructions
given in gopher are wrong.

To subscribe, I *think* one should send email to listserv@solomon.technet.sg
with the line:

        subscribe siflash-list your real name

Ian
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