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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:43:49 GMT

In article <C19FpC.3C@rice.edu> vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai) writes:

>Any Indian who would support Republicans is a Pakistani in disguise.

What a brillant statement!!! I am a Republican and not a Pakistani,
well at least to the best of my knowledge.

>The Republicans have been overwhelmingly pro-Pak and anti-Indian
>in their terms in government. When the dictator Zia died, they
>said "We hope the next leader of Pakistan is equally
>friendly to US interests" ... never mind the fact that Zia/Pak had/has
>been funding terrorists (JKLF, Sikh militants) for years.

The US support for Pakistan goes way before, Reagan or Bush. It is
an out growth of the cold war policies of the US and USSR in the 50's
and 60's.  It is not as simple as you make it out to be.

> Meanwhile,
>the best they could do for Rajiv Gandhi was to send in their
>ignorant Vice-President to his funeral ... this for the man who had
>recently been and was about to be again the elected leader of the
>world's largest democracy!

Democracy! What a farce. It is hardly a democracy, its more like a 
dynastic rule of the Gandhi family, until now, of course.

>So, if you want to support bigots and Pakistanis, that's fine by me,
>but you'll be responsible when some Christian fanatic wins the
>Presidency here or when Kashmir and Punjab are taken away from
>the motherland.

What a bunch of bull! 


Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:51:57 GMT

In article <SMEHTA.93Jan20172059@kwela.nynexst.com> smehta@nynexst.com writes:
>
>
>Aaah, the fresh smell of napalm in the air :-) ... But then Wilde put
>it best: "Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
>he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason."

Hey! Stop reading those quotes in back of Forbes magazine! 
 
Rakesh Patel
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: "Les Miserables"
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:00:32 GMT
Reply-To: venu@cirrus.com
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article 6606@cbnewsi.cb.att.com, alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>Preeti, Venu:

i don't propose to answer for preeti [she does the job very well herself :-)....see the smiley, preeti?], but in response to the questions directed at me and my purpose in posting such *crap*.

>What's the purpose of all this crap ?

nothing, really. but, in the larger scheme of things, must everything have a purpose? i mean, can't some point be made without any goal. if at all there was a purpose, it was to provide some entertainment,, it not to the net, at least to me. also some insight to the way you guys think.


>Evidence was asked of by Tapesh and it was provided by posting the excerpts
>from past post of Tapesh. It was discussed by English majors and it was
>decided that there was possibility of the perception that parents
>are sheer misery. It was later clarified by Tapesh what he meant.
>The matter was dropped.

and brought up again. so?

>So I don't understand why this rudeness is being showered on us, especially
>me ?

you never disappoint me, alok. maybe that is part of the purpose in posting such crap.


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The problem with the gene-pool is that there is no life-guard.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: harbirk@ifi.uio.no (Harbir Singh Kohli)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:36:41 GMT
Originator: harbirk@rundtom.ifi.uio.no


In article <1993Jan28.154230.26291@news.vanderbilt.edu>, MARDHEMS@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu () writes:
> In <YfNiB1y00iUzQ4aXRS@andrew.cmu.edu> Priti writes:
> 
> > The negative comments about interethnic dating between Indians (and
> > those of Indian origin) and people of other backgrounds (white,
> > african-american, latino, etc.) have been shocking, irritating, and even
	{deleted}
 
> 	I am not ashamed to say that I am personally opposed to all forms of
> intermarriage.  I am not a racist; 

I am not going to discuss whether you are a racist or not

>however, I believe that any community has
> the right to preserve its way of life, and speak out against against trends
> which may subvert the greater good.  

	Agreed, read on I will come to this point later on.

 
>         In my home state of Alabama, most people oppose intermarriage for a
> variety of reasons, mostly due to old-line racist thoughts.  But what's wrong
> with saying that our community won't be the same if everyone marries people
> of different races?  It's not a large leap of logic to see where this will
> ultimately lead.


	and where may we know will it lead to ?
 respect  for all races, and acceptance that every race/culture has 
its plus and minus points, and that
one must try to find a balance between these, the more 
cultures one is more exposed to, and has interacted with, the greater 
are the chances that they will be more succesful in dealing with people
from outside their own community, and in succeding in their life.

> 	For me personally, if any of my children decide that they want to bring
> home a boy or girl of a different race for my approval, I would absolutely
> forbid such a thing.  If they disregard their culture, heritage, race, and
> upbringing, and marry anyway, they will certainly no longer be a part of my
> household.


manish you present lofty ideas to start with, on freedom of a community 
to preserve its way of life, and then you go on to deny your own albeit
hypothetical children their rights. Don't you think that you/and maybe the 
rest of us  are capable of producing children who can think rationally?

Further on what is the meaning of life if one cannot go on and make a
decision on his own, to be resposible for his actions, and how can one be
resposible without having any rights, and by denying your children
their right to happiness, to act out their mind, you are subvering their
rights, and what you are going to acheive is children who are wimps, 
afraid to act to take decisions on their own.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: hazel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (sriram)
Subject: Re: Indian Authors of English
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:35:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.043617.6090@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> atiwary@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ashu . Tiwary) writes:
>Here are a few more books:
>
	[stuff about R.K.Narayan deleted]
>
>There's another book I only remember the title of: Nectar in the Sieve.
>It was an excellent book, but I don't remember the author or publisher.
>
>-Ashu
>

"Nectar in the Sieve" was by Kamala Markandeya. I did see her name in the
list of authors posted. I don't know the publisher of the book either. 
Her other novel "Two  Virgins"(title?) created quite an uproar in 
Madras, India, when Univ of Madras included it in the reading list for 
their B.A. literature curriculum. The book was considered too explicit!!

Sriram
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Subject: Re: Mixed Marriages
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:05:08 GMT

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>I'm curious to see what others out there think of mixed marriages,
>and specifically how the kids react to it. I've met a number of
>II-WA children and AfrA-WA kids, but let's try to focus on the
>II-WA and IA-WA offspring. This is an issue that most IAs are
>going to have to deal with sooner or later. Hopefully we'll get
>some input from some bi-racial people.

>BTW, my nephew is IA-WA. 

>Let the games begin.

>Ron
My experience is no matter what skin color, kids are kids. They like to
'belong'. So if they are in U.S. or other white dominated country, they will 
try to conform to being white. If in India or other non-white country, they
will try to minimize their 'whiteness'. 
Both of us are II, our son however is quite fair skinned and felt very odd
about it when we were in India for a longer stay. This got overcome as he
grew older, but still once in a while the question pops up - how come I look
the way I look? 
--
--With best regards from Shashi
Login name: shashi | System Programmer By Profession | In real life:
                   | but heart(&SWEET-HEART) in Math.| Shashi Sathaye
shashi@ms.uky.edu	sysshash@ukcc.uky.edu  shashi@aix3090.uky.edu
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: "Indians writing in English" book list
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:17:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.200858.22379@ctp.com> pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap) writes:
>This is a great reading list! Reposted with permission
>from the compiler. Enjoy! 
>- Preeti
(Excellant List Deleated)

>
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>---------------------------------------------
>IV.  OTHER BOOKS WITH INDIA AND INDIAN EVENTS
>     AS THE MAIN THEME OF THE WRITING
>---------------------------------------------
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
>1.   INDIA - Labyrinths in the Lotus Land
>     Shasti Brata (Male, born in Calcutta,India)
>
>2.   Karma Cola
>     Gita Mehta  (Female, born in India)
>
>3.   May You be The Mother of a Hundered Sons
>     (A Journey Among The Women of India)
>     Elisabeth Bumiller (American born in Denmark)
>
>4.   The Assasination of Indira Gandhi
>     Ritu Sarin (Female, born in India)
>
>5.   Unveiling India
>     Annes Jung
>
>6.   Indira Gandhi
>     Inder Malhotra

A few quick additions:-

7. Jungle Book : Kipling (A very common reading for all teenagers and
grownups. Written based on place called 'Seoni' in MP,India. It is 
in the middle of 'Kanha' and 'Pench' National park, where 'Satpura
Range' and 'Maikala Range' meets.)

8. Man Eaters of Kumayun : Jim Corbett (Need I say more?)

9. Schools in The Clouds : Edmund Hillary (Yes, the conquerer of the 
Mt. Everest. Not quite about India, but about the Sherpa tribes. This
is not very different from the tribes in the upper Garwal district
in UP, India). He has got some other books too.

Good to see this kind of list. It will be nice to see some review/
comments/contents of the books from those, who have read some of 
them. Any takers?




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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian Authors of English
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:13:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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In article <1993Jan26.043617.6090@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> atiwary@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ashu . Tiwary) writes:
>Here are a few more books:
>
>
>There's another book I only remember the title of: Nectar in the Sieve.
>It was an excellent book, but I don't remember the author or publisher.
>

   The author is Kamala Markandeya, and Jaico books published at least 
one of the paperback editions. 

   --Satyen

-- 
   "History is not high mystery for high priestly historians"
                       John Charmley, Lecturer in History,
                      University of East Anglia at Norwich
From: vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:46:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.012159.15875@news.vanderbilt.edu>, MARDHEMS@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu () writes:
|> 	There are many kinds of conservatives. Pat Buchanan (whom I supported
|> for President) is very different from Mass. Governor William Weld (who is
|> pro-choice and pro-gay rights). Yet both spoke at the Republican Convention.
|> David Duke (whom I do not support) was the conservative Republican
|> gubernatorial candidate from Louisiana last year, and is openly opposed to
|> interracial marriage of any sort. Pat Robertson, who also spoke at the
|> Republican Convention, believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible,
|> although Genesis 9:28 lays the foundation for segregation. 

Any Indian who would support Republicans is a Pakistani in disguise.
The Republicans have been overwhelmingly pro-Pak and anti-Indian
in their terms in government. When the dictator Zia died, they
said "We hope the next leader of Pakistan is equally
friendly to US interests" ... never mind the fact that Zia/Pak had/has
been funding terrorists (JKLF, Sikh militants) for years. Meanwhile,
the best they could do for Rajiv Gandhi was to send in their
ignorant Vice-President to his funeral ... this for the man who had
recently been and was about to be again the elected leader of the
world's largest democracy!

Furthermore, all Pat Buchanan (whom you supported for President)
could talk about at the Convention was a "religious war for the
soul of America" ... I'll give you a hint, man: that war won't
be for _our_ religion; it would be to turn this country into a
"Christian nation".

So, if you want to support bigots and Pakistanis, that's fine by me,
but you'll be responsible when some Christian fanatic wins the
Presidency here or when Kashmir and Punjab are taken away from
the motherland.

Just my $.02

-- vp
From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Career Choices
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:20:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

(in response to article by Rajiv Dighe):

State of mind while writing a compiler:
--------------------------------------

Calm
focused
rational
sequential
logical
isolated
cushioned

State of mind while reading poetry
----------------------------------

Absorbed
high
irrational
leaping across random mental threads
spontaneous
joyful

How do you reconcile the two?

Suppose you're well aware of the often dreary nature of CS work.
Suppose you see it as a way of supporting yourself and ultimately
as a way of slaying the indentured-service dragon by starting
up your own company.  Who's to say you would get out of the 
industry afterwards?  Wouldn't you keep a good thing going?  And,
as everything else, wouldn't the wonderful 'extras' in
life tend to wither away?

Manish
From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:46:29 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
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NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

>
>Tell you the truth - the US couldn't give a shit if it was Pakistan or
>India. As long as it helped the US, either would suffice.
>
>Rakesh Patel

P.	SO what was your point in saying that if an individual supports
	the Republican party, he or she must be a Pakistani.  It is 
	irrelevant. And you are 100% correct.  And nothe U.S. should
	not have given a shit who it was they were supporting.  To them
	the threat of worldwide communism was a real and serious threat.

	And I think we've proven that it doesn't necessarily work on a
	large scale.  And I think we can also see what happened to Eastern
	Europe because of this.  So if the U.S. supported Pakistan in
	order to maintain a tactical position in that part of the world
	(keep in mind they also helped out iraq and iran at different times)
	does that make it wrong.  Your comment above is extremely 
	inflamitory against the U.S.  Which is fine, you are allowed to
	have your view, but I don't see the point in it.

_______________________________________________________________________________
LATER DAZE
Puneet                                                   MBA2@JETSON.UH.EDU   or
                                                         BBRC215@BAL0053.B-R.COM
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissens
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: venu@cirrus.com
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article iul@agate.berkeley.edu, mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>I am saying that people who do not learn any human-ness, whether in class
>or out of class, are uneducated, because the non-human subjects are skills.
>That is a definition.  You may disagree with the definition, but I would
>love to see you prove that the study of history is a skill while the study
>of IC design is a wisdom.

i agree with your base definition of education, manish...that a person who doesn't learn humanity (which is what i take the word human-ness to men) is uneducated. but, i don't agree with the implication that humanity can be learnt from fields such as history or ic design. as far as i am concerned, neither would play a part in my *education*; maybe just in my ability for gainful employment. 

what would play a part in my education would be a better understanding of people, and an ability to impart this understanding to others.

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The problem with the gene-pool is that there is no life-guard.
From: devkumar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Devakumar Sreevijayan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Career Choices..
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:46:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: na
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In article <1993Jan22.152657.13829@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>Excellent poetry. You sure have a good potential to be a 'Hemingway'.
>
>Alok

          Did Hemingstein write poetry? I doubt it. He did versify on
occasion, and I remember a vitriolic bit of verse directed at his
critics that started with:

          "Four and twenty critics
           Pocket full of lye.."

I was reminded of this after just writing a review of sorts of Sunetra
Gupta's book: "Memories of Rain". :-) The book, by the way, is highly
recommended.                         

Dev a.k.a /dev
From: ps3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Priti Shah)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian Authors of English
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:50:33 GMT
	<1993Jan26.053551.26804@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Kamala Markandaya has other novels, including, "Nowhere Man" about an
Indian living in Britain.

Another author not included is  Bapsi Sidwa, who has written several
novels including the Pakistani Bride and Crow-Eaters (she's Pakistani;
close enough, right?).  And, she's an excellent writer!

Priti
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Career Choices..
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:51:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.183959.18679@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.152657.13829@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.144123.19577@research.nj.nec.com>, rsd@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Rajiv Dighe) writes:
>
>>> 
>>> 			Middle-Class Blues
>>> 			(aka Male Menopause)
>>> 
>>
>>Excellent poetry. You sure have a good potential to be a 'Hemingway'.
>
>
>Why, why, oh why do people keep comparing reasonably talented writers
>to Hemingway?  Do you actually *like* his sexist,
>big-white-hunter-takes-on-the-world, incapable of writing sentences
>longer than 4 words prose?
>
> - Amirthi (who is loving Stein at the moment and dreading the week
>when her Modern Novel class does Hemingway...)
>
>-- 
>We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been
>accomplished without passion.
>
>					 - George Hegel



Hemingway was a novelist - not a poet. 

Yes, Amirthi, many of us do like Hemingway. This political correctness
crap is getting way out of hand. 

What is this strange affliction of always quoting someone? Very strange.



Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pras0005@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Career Choices..
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:14:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.135135.2480@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.183959.18679@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Excellent poetry. You sure have a good potential to be a 'Hemingway'.
>>
>>
>>Why, why, oh why do people keep comparing reasonably talented writers
>>to Hemingway?  Do you actually *like* his sexist,
>>big-white-hunter-takes-on-the-world, incapable of writing sentences
>>longer than 4 words prose?
>>
>> - Amirthi (who is loving Stein at the moment and dreading the week
>>when her Modern Novel class does Hemingway...)
>>
>>-- 
>>We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been
>>accomplished without passion.
>>
>>					 - George Hegel
>
>
>
>Hemingway was a novelist - not a poet. 
>
His first (I believe) publication was "Three Stories and Ten Poems."  So he
did write poetry, although he gained his fame for novels and short stories.

>What is this strange affliction of always quoting someone? Very strange.
>Rakesh Patel

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"What is this strange affliction of always quoting someone? Very strange."
					- Rakesh Patel
From: mvij@soda.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:42:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <C1F5os.1Lp@SSD.intel.com> pandit@ssd.intel.com (Milind Pandit) writes:
>The
>negative reasons end up being, "Our culture sucks, so abandon it as
>fully as possible by dating/marrying cross-culturally." and "All other
>cultures suck, so don't allow any contact with them."  The former is
>motivated by self-hatred, and the latter by racism, both rooted in
>ignorance.  
>
>Milind S. Pandit			| pandit@ssd.intel.com

Maneesh (Vanderbilt) also came out against intercultural dating with the
exclamation, 'HAVE SOME PRIDE!'

My point is that there are many IA's dating non-IA's who are proud of their
culture, secure in their Indian-ness, not suffering from self-hatred,
etc.  To view them all as people without pride in their culture is totally
wrong.

Manish

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