From: pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon)
Subject: Re: Dip Shin -- Saucer spirit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:02:40 GMT

rtsui@vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Ricky Tsui) writes:
[...]

>Peter, you are right to say Saucer spirit is some demon's influence.
>I've tried it before. The "spirit" claimed that it was a dead guy, and
>what it could do is to tell you about your past and your future. But
>it was lying right at the beginning, 'cos after a person dies, his/her
>spirit will go to a place which is neither heaven nor hell, not even
>can it stay on Earth and contact other living people. You can go to a
>church and ask anyone there, they'll tell you exactly the same thing.

	Why are you so sure spirit of dead guys go to "a place which is
	neither hell or heaven?  Because it is what "the" book says? Because
	everyone says the same thing?  I don't see any reason to believe or
	deny your claim.

>And you may now wonder what the "spirit" is. It's actually demon, one
>of the follower of Satan. They are just trying to fool people that the
>spirit of a dead people can still be alive on Earth.  
>
	Believe it or not, a group of psychic researchers had actually done
	an experiment.  They made up a fictious person's history.  They also
	made sure there could not be such a person by coincident as they made
	some obvious mistakes on "his" history background plus some not-so-
	obvious contradiction on "his" personal life.  Then they tried to
	"call" up that guy.  Of course, they suceeded.  A "spirit" claimed
	that he was that fake guy, and that spirit reported  all the details
	including the contradictions made by the researchers!

	The conclusion is that some supernatural being can know who you want to
	associate with and that being can mimic your expectation.  It is 
	unreliable to believe the spirit you called up is the same guy you 
	wanted.
 
>Talking about the power of those "spirits," knowing about one's past
>is very very simple, at least the person knows. But about the future,
>they are just bullshiting. They are totally wrong, trust me, they know
>nothing about your future. Again, if you wanna know why, go to ask
>any christian around you. 'Cos, although they may not be experts on
>this, they know more than you do.

	No offense, but I think a Buddhist monk can tell me stories on this
	subject as much and as vivid as my christian friends do.

>By the way, if you want to get a clearer and better answers, try to
>ask a church's pastor instead. I'm sure you'll be satisfied.

	I am basically a Confusianist.  Therefore I don't really care about
	God and ghost becasue I don't our well being depends on "them".  But
	thanks anyway.  Although I am not a psychic fan, I am glad that I can
	hear the opinions of other on this supernatural subject.

>Rick

	Anyone who has read a lot of Wei Sze Li's science fictions and anyone
who has a firm religious background surely can give a lot of explanation on
ghost and related topics.  In order to set up communication between those
groups, we must set up some standards-- if ghost can be measured and explained.
Otherwise all we have is a bunch of stories.  We may never know whether the
stories are true or not.

						Peter


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