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From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Indonesian version of nuclear power plants
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:54:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.121927@IASTATE.EDU> abasu@IASTATE.EDU (Anujit Basu) writes:
>Nuclear wastes, in the form of used fuel, can be reprocessed and used in a
>different kind of reactor that is specifically designed to use reprocessed fuel. This is being done in Europe (France) and Japan. 

This doesn't mean that the reactors with the different design generate
environmentally-safe materials as the waste, does it? 

[...]
>This turn of events, and the fear of the public following the
>accidents in Three Mile Island (Pennsylvania) in 1979 and Chernobyl, has led to
>nuclear power becoming a political hot-potato in the USA. No local government
>will be willing to locate a new plant in their area.
>
It's interesting to know that the US no longer wants any nuclear power plants
but yet is willing to sell the technology abroad. From the economic point
of view, this move is quite creative one. The technology is considered
a 'dirty' one, but what to say, the US has a long history of fiddling
around with nuclear 'toys'. So, instead of letting the achieved knowledge
in nuclear technology to be a resident of dusty libraries, it would be better
to sell it to a country (Indonesia, a third-world one) and make some money
out of it. 

At the other side, Indonesia, as a developing country sees the nuclear 
technology is a kind of hitech that it's worth it to be mastered. By doing
so, there's a hope that, later, Indonesia will be known as a developed
country (a slight increment in the internal pride).

Looks like a win-win situation though, considering the fact that Indonesia
is short at least 15% in the supply of electricity. The nuclear
powered source of energy can be seen as a kind of an instant cure.

I hope that the US will sell the technology along with the knowledge of
disposing the generated waste (or better: there will be some Indonesians who 
ask about it).

[...]

>I think the used fuel will be ultimately reprocessed in France and/or Japan, and
>be used in the reactors designed to use this fuel. This may or maynot be in
>Indonesia.
>
How expensive is it to build a reprocessing center for the waste generated
by a 600MW plant? I really doubt that there would be any countries which
are willing to reprocess it. If there's any, it might be that the cost is
high. And exporting a shipload of nuclear wastes is a quite dim picture,
isn't it?  
>
>
>Anujit Basu
>abasu@iastate.edu

Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: herri@eclair.berkeley.edu (GUNAWAN HERRI)
Subject: SYSTEM MANAGER POSITION IN INDONESIA
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:54:20 GMT

   JOB! JOB! JOB!
   i posted this for a friend who doesn't have the net access.
   hope it will be useful.
   -herri@eclair.berkeley.edu
   originator: bsw!eddy@uunet.UU.NET 

   ________________________________________________________________________

   Want to find individual  to  fill the  position
   of System Manager.  The hired individual will be responsible for setting
   up  and  maintaining  accounting/distribution  software  packages.   The
   following qualification is required:

      o An  Indonesian  Citizen  or a  person legaly  allowed  to  work  in 
	Indonesia currently residing in the continental U.S.A.
      o Graduated with a Bachelor degree in Business Administration with an
	emphasis  in  Corporate Accounting System  or a Bachelor  degree in
	Computer Science with a Business Administration minor.
      o Have  an experience  in computerized  accounting system (GL, AR, AP
	software packages, etc.)
      o Have a working knowledge of COBOL programming langguage. 
      o UNIX O/S and/or LAN experience would be a plus.
      o Good interpersonal communication skill.
      o Willing to work hard and strife for excellence.
      o Possess high moral values and integrity.

   If  you  possess these qualities and  like  challanges, please send your 
   Curriculum Vitae to:

      The Personnel Manager
      P.T. OCC
      P.O. Box 3830
      Jakarta 10038

   Or
   
      Fax it to (62-21) 600-4989
   
   Or

      Send E-mail to hendra@ecn.purdue.edu
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: BP-2
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:19:31 GMT

>Dari posting di atas, saya melihat bahwa struktur bahasa BP-2 yang
>diusulkan oleh Oki adalah gabungan antara C dengan Pascal. Kedua bahasa ini
>mempunyai karakteristik jauh berbeda dalam hal penyocokan jenis variabel
>(type checking), bahasa Pascal menganut 'strict type checking' sedangkan
>bahasa C tidak. Model mana yang akan dipakai oleh BP-2?
 
Berhubung BP-2 ditujukan untuk pemula, tentunya 'strict type checking' yang
baik untuk diterapkan. Dengan itu pemakai diajari untuk 'membedakan' 
jenis-jenis data yang tersedia.
 
>Hans.
--
|_|_|_|_|  _|_|_ |_|_|_|_| Hans Dulimarta [dulimart@cps.msu.edu]

Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu
From: made@rcl.wau.nl
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: perlu info youth hostel/budget hotel
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:02:07 GMT
Reply-To: made@rcl.wau.nl
Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University

In article <sk8XVB5w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, pxrizal@student.business.uwo.ca (P.S. Rizal) writes:
>hallo rekan2, saya rencana mau keliling boston, new york city, dan 
>washington dc. dan mungkin juga ke atlantic city. bila anda punya infonya 
> tolong kasih tahu saya alamat youth hostel atau budget hotel di kota2 
>itu. kalau bisa yang didaerah downtownnya. terima kasih banyak 
>sebelumnya.
>nama saya susanto rizal, dan saya akan kembali kuliah di rotterdam 
>january nanti
>
>balas ke  p3rizal@student.business.uwo.ca
>
>untuk tahun depan, bisa kontak saya lewat 
>mba-rizal@pc-lab.fbk.eur.nl
>
>sekian...
>
>pxrizal@student.business.uwo.ca (P.S. Rizal)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: maulana@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (exit)
Subject: Re: Ikbal
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:36:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.153540.2941@fuug.fi>, an1600@anon.penet.fi (homeless) writes:
> Dear users of alt.culture.indonesia,
> homeless write :
> I think that corruption is strickly illegal, it must be ended, maybe 

  Soal korupsi kayaknya sudah jelas. Semua orang kayaknya nggak setuju.

> by the Law. But for the country, mostly the (un)development country
> is very difficult to do it, since mostly the people, who have the 
> opportunity are high rank person. I think corruption really harm the
> country like Indonesia, 'couse a huge amount of money are only 
> circulating between a small number of persons.
> 
> So as I write above, i don't and absolutly against the corruption.

  Lho?!
> 
> But "What about the commission ?", is it also another kind of 
> corruption. I don't really know what the meaning of commission,
> would Ikbal tell us about that ?.

  Komisi yang saya maksud adalah yang seperti diterima  Pak Tahir itu. Tahukan
  Anda tentang kisah sengketa memperebutkan uang Tahir antara Kartika dan
  Pertamina?

> 
> If commision is,'couse of:
> 	- present for a good service (like a tip at a restourant)
> 	- present for being very helpfull
> 	- etc.
> then I think nothing wrong with that.

  Kalau jumlahnya kecil, dan tidak mempengaruhi pengambilan keputusan. Ya, nggak
  apa-apa. Tapi, bagaimana kalau seperti kasus harta Thahir  tadi? 
  Orang sekarang,  sudah tahu-sama-tahu lah,  kalau proyek sudah dikerjakan,
  komisi baru diberikan.  Orang lalu bilang bahwa ini kan nggak mempengaruhi
  pengambilan keputusan, karena keputusannya sudah diambil. Tapi, pemberi
  komisinya juga tahu, kalau komisi nggak diberikan, bisa nggak dikasih proyek 
  lagi.

> And for all the netusers,
> I wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year 
> 
> syncerely yours,
> mr. anon
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Wis sampek sak mene disik, Mas.
  Ikbal (Maulana@duteca.et.tudeelft.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@iastate.edu (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: BP-2, etc, etc.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:01:24 GMT

I was just wondering about this.
Has any of other more advanced countries than Indonesia made their own
compiler/comp lang/whatever which is not based on English?
If yes, I'd like to know the detailed (if any) info about this.
If no, umm.. maybe we're just going nowhere. :)


-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: bowo@dutetve.tudelft.nl (Djati Prabowo)
Subject: Tegal (mib java)
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 12:12:59 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@iastate.edu (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Comp Scie major in Indonesia?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:09:42 GMT

Pardon my ignorance, but I heard a while ago there is a comp scie
major in some university in Indonesia; is that true? ;-)
I mean a real Comp Scie major, not Com E or Information system. 
What university is that? Univeristy of Indonesia?

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: INA: Earthquake struck South East Maluku on 21 December.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:48:58 -0500


Dear folks, a.w.:

----translation:

According to the BBC London news at 8:00AM-EST, a 7.3 on the 
Richter scale earthquake struck South East Maluku Islands. 
Its epicenter was located under the Banda Sea. No further 
information on casualties. The BBC interviewed the local daily 
newspaper reporter who mentioned that the earthquake measured 6.8 
on the Richter scale struck at 5:25AM East Indonesian Time on 
21 December.

keyword: Gempa_bumi_di_Maluku-Tenggara

>>> start of forwarded msg <<<

Message-Id:   <PBDLIST%92122109072202@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:57:00 EST
Reply-To: Indonesian Development Studies <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
>From: EKUNCOR@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Gempadi Maluku
To: Multiple recipients of list PBDLIST <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Rekan-rekan yang budiman;
Tadi pagi (pukul 8 EST) saya mendengar berita dari BBC London
yang mengabarkan bahwa di Indonesia bagian timur, tepatnya di
daerah Maluku Tenggara telah terjadi gempa.  Kekuatan gempa
adalah 7.3 skala Richter, pusat gempa berada di laut Banda,
Tidak ada laporan mengenai korban yang tewas maupun bangunan
yang hancur.
Dalam wawancara BBC dengan harian setempat dikatakan bahwa
gempa terjadi pada pukul 5.25 pagi WIT dan berkekuatan
6.8 skala Richter.
Salam,
Endo (Dec 21, 1992)

>>> end of forwarded msg <<<

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: made@rcl.wau.nl
Subject: Re: usenet newsgroup
Reply-To: made@rcl.wau.nl
Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:27:15 GMT

In article <01GSHS0S5DJS002VOO@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu>, "PUTRI GENI, MKTG6010" <pgeni%cudenver.bitnet@utcs.utoronto.ca> writes:
>Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.,
>
>Saya tertarik untuk ikut gabung dengan usenet newsgroup. Maklum
>rasanya selama ini ketinggalan informasi terus dari kampung sendiri.
>Terima kasih banyak.
>
>Wassalam,
>
>Dodi.


HALLO DODI, APA KABAR? SALAM DARI NEDERLAND. I MADE SUWETJA.
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:16:27 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

I'd just like to add one response/query for Tapesh. You speak 
in generalities about allowing people to be completely free,
etc. However, you never specifically state how these philosophies
translate into real policy measures that a gov't would be able
to implement. How about filling us in on some specifics?

If we take your philosophy to the fullest extent, why have the
state sponsor education at all?

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Re: Let's meet Jan 2 (Re: Preeti's Party....comments
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.144003.29312@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>(We) spent some time with Thomas
>Jeffersen 

You were very fortunate! Its been a while since _anyone_
has gotten to spend some quality time with the man...

Preeti
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: East Indian vs. Asian Indian
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:01:41 GMT


>>>>> "Manish" == Manish Vij <mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu> writes:
Manish> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Manish> Whenever I hear the term East Indian, I immediately begin
Manish> thinking of Indian geography.  My mental eye searches the eastern
Manish> coastline of the Indian cartography before I realize it's just the
Manish> misnomer that began with Columbus' grand error.

Manish> We're often called East Indians to distinguish us from the West
Manish> Indies and from Native Americans.  The local newspaper just repeated
Manish> this term in an article on the opening of a first-run Indian
Manish> movie theater in Fremont, CA.  I'm going to write them and say
Manish> that East Indian implies the same importance given to the West
Manish> Indies.  Frankly, I'd much rather be called Indian.  It's much
Manish> shorter, more descriptive, and most accurate.  If it weren't for
Manish> Columbus' navigational goof-up, and that of an extraordinary sort,
Manish> then Asian Indian would never have been necessary.

Manish> So how about it, net.folks: East Indian or Asian Indian?



Asian Indian is what I go for ... East Indian/East Indies to me implies
Philipines/Indonesia etc.



increase the peace
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: New Year Greeting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:38:25 GMT


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Alok & Amita
From: gbloom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gregory Bloom)
Subject: Re: So why not just say "hi?"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 04:24:40 GMT

In article <BzArKw.BLw@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:

>           Should I say "hi" to this person I can see coming
>towards me from far off, or shouldn't I? How long should I wait before
>saying "hi"? Should I smile as well? Should I try to establish eye
>contact? How much eye contact is necessary to make a greeting necessary?
>Are there different norms for men and women? What if the person whom
>I greet, doesn't respond? Should I wait for the person to say "hi"
>beforehand, or should I take the initiative?
>
>         Rather than make a quick decision on an answer to each of
>these questions mentioned above, in the brief interval of time that
>I first spot a person to the time he passes me by, I prefer to take
>the easier way out. Avoid ALL eye contact with strangers. Note that
>the above questions would not arise, if the person concerned were
>an acquaintance of mine.
>
>       If someone could help me out with those questions, I would be
>highly obliged. However, it will take me a long time to reconcile
>myself to the habit of saying "hi" to complete strangers. I find it
>most unnatural to my upbringing.
>
>      Suggestions welcome......

Forgive my forwardness (I am not Indian, well, unless being 1/8 Cherokee
counts :-), but as an AA, I can assure you that there is no clear standard.
In different parts of the country, people are different.  From my
experience, people in dense cities are least likely to spontaneously smile
or say 'hi', while in small farming towns, I could bet money you couldn't
pass more than half a dozen people without at least one of them greeting
you.  As in most things American, it is up to the individual to decide
how friendly to be.  A friendly smile and a hello costs you little, yet
being in such company makes us all a bit richer, don't you think?

Gregory Bloom
gbloom@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,alt.individualism
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:40:30 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Dec20.012720.25554@midway.uchicago.edu>, esti@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin) writes:
|> From: esti@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
|> In article <7450@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:

[My examples countering the notion that the Constitution was the
 reason behind "emancipation" for african americans]

|> Not the Constitution itself, no.  (Otherwise, why would they have
|> needed to amend the Constitution to outlaw slavery?)  But the fact
|> that many people believed in the basic principles that were behind the
|> Constitution-- "all men are created equal" and all that stuff in the
|> Declaration of Independence-- is part of the reason the slaves were
|> frees.  Those principles go a long way towards understanding why a lot
|> of evils seem to get stamped out eventually, sooner (in my view) than
|> if the U.S. *weren't* based on some fundamentally sound principles of
|> liberty, equality, and democracy.  (Actually, in some ways liberty,
|> equality, and democracy are fundamentally opposed to one another, but
|> that's another issue.)

There are plenty of evils in america that have *not* been stamped out. 
To paraphrase Gil Scott-Heron, the constitution is but a noble piece of
paper. I don't believe that it has all that much influence on people, 
and more importantly their actions. It certainly has done nothing to
enable access to equal education for everyone. 

Do you think that people who lived in the south were just evil, and 
the northerners were just good and looking out for their fellow man?
Oh, maybe the northerners just read the constitution more often?
The Civil War was fought for *many* reasons, and supposed "emancipation"
for the slaves was but one of them.

|> One needs both the laws and the principles...  the laws tend to keep
|> the principles from sliding too far backwards (else, say, MacCarthyism
|> would have been even worse), and the principles tend to lead to people
|> to eventually making better laws.
|> 
|> Now, to move this discussion back to India... what *does* the Indian
|> contitution look like?  In what ways is it similar to and different
|> from the American constitution?  Are there ways in which the British
|> influence on the Indian form of government have particularly helped or
|> hindered India in the long run, in your view?

Since I'm an American, I'd plead ignorance here and frankly am only
nominally interested in the Indian constitution. How many IAs out
there really know much about Indian history? I know a heck of a lot
more about European (particularly Western) history than Indian.

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad)
Subject: Re: So whats in a constitution.......?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:27:41 GMT

In article <7680@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.001520.18884@athena.mit.edu>, tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
> 
>|>  Education is the individual's responsibility; and not mine/yours/constitution.
>
>I'd strongly disagree here with you. It *is* the responsibility of the 
>state to provide the *opportunity* for education. If the individual 
>  
Let's separate the Constitution from the government (goodness knows that
Washington has been doing that for over 200 yrs).  The Constitution sets
up the govt (House, Senate, elections, etc) and covers basic rights.
The state may not be obliged to provide education, but it is in the state's
best interests to do so.  By a business analogy, it is in a business' interests
to replace outdated equipment with new ones, even if it requires acquiring
some debt to do so.  The investment will pay off in more efficiency, less
maintenance, etc.  In the same way education is a good investment for
the govt.  It leads to more knowledgable, higher skilled workers who can
fill the need of high tech industries.  This allows a country to compete
better with other countries, gets the economy going, gets people off
welfare etc.  Higher skilled jobs also mean higher wages (or should) and
therfore more govt revenue vis-a-vis taxes.  

Economists, please forgive the simple-minded analogy, but I'm sure you'll
agree that the theory is sound, if somewhat misstated.

Shiv


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