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From: pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer)
Subject: Cartographic illiteracy is cool
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:44:49 GMT

If you have any doubt, look at what Andy Rooney wrote on Sept. 4, 1992
in his column (he writes for Tribune Media Services):

<Column begin>
Driver inherits maps from Lewis and Clark

	I wouldn't say the road maps in my car are old, but let me put it this
way: I got most of them free at gas stations. My highway atlas doesn't have
Alaska or Hawaii in it because they weren't states yet when the maps were
drawn.
	Last week, I was held up by a flagman controlling one-way traffic on
a major highway. They were repaving it after years of hard use. I looked on
my map for another road I might take, but the highway they were fixing hadn't
been built when my map was printed.
	Some people are good with maps, and some are not. I am not. When I
start looking for the name of a town, I almost always conclude it isn't there.
I can't even find H-3 or D-9 sometimes, and if I do, the place I want falls
somewhere in the crack where the map opnes.
	Determining how far one place is from another is difficult. I look for
the legend at the bottom that says how many miles or kilometers an inch is on
the map. Sometimes I find it, and sometimes I don't. I wish they wouldn't put
kilometers on there. They confuse the issue.
	All road maps have lots of numbers alongside the little lines but
I'm never clear whether those are route numbers, exit numbers or some highway
or mileage.
	The AAA and other map-makers do a good job and they have a clear idea
of what all the colors they use mean, but I don't. If it's blue, it's water.
I do know that.
	Some of the very best roads to travel on aren't indicated on road maps.
Those are the roads local people use because they know the shortest way. If
you read the map and do what appears to make sense, you go miles out of your
way.
	There's no doubt that map-makers have a problem. I'm sympathetic: It
isn't easy to put a state the shape of Florida, California or New York on
a rectangular piece of paper. Except for some states in the Midwest, most
states aren't a good shape to get on a map.
	Highway numbers may make sense to the people in the map-making
business, but not to the rest of us. Not only that, you'll be following a
route number for miles and suddenly it disappears. Theyre are no signs, and
you can't find it on the map. It looks like a continuation of the same road,
and you don't know whether you took a wrong turn or whether a state or county
simply gave it a different number.
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-- 
Peter J. Dotzauer - pjd+@osu.edu - pjd+@ohstmail - osu-mps!pjd
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Subject:      Exit from list

Please remove my name and address from the GIS-L list.  Thank you.
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From:         dedcmp@ARCO.COM
Subject:      Geologic (Oil & Gas) GIS Software

Can anyone recommend to me a good GIS package that applies to the Oil and
Gas Industry?
From: adoyle@bbn.com (Allan Doyle)
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Subject: Re: Copyright protection or myth?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:13:22 GMT
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In article <15450@umd5.umd.edu> panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman) writes:
>The following appeared in rec.games.trivia (a Usenet group):
>
>In article <1992Sep10.175642.24292@nosc.mil> jpmott@sunspot.nosc.mil (Jon Mott) writes:
>>Apparently it is "common" practice for publishers of dictionaries
>>and encyclopedias to make up some false entries for inclusion in
>>their reference works, the idea is to be able to catch plagiarizers.
>

There was an article in CACM (or one of the other ACM computer journals)
not too long ago (sorry for the vague reference, but it was an intersting
article that did not cross my "I better save this" threshold) about a
US Court ruling on Telephone Book data. The ruling basically found in
favor of a telephone book publisher that had compiled listings for a
small geographic area by copying listings from 5 other telephone books.
Four of the 5 other book publishers had given permission to do so, the
fifth had held out. The small company went ahead and published all 5
anyway. The court ruling said that mere compilations of data are not
copyrightable, just that the format is. The court went on to rule that
common formats such as alphabetical order were also not copyrightable.

The ruling apparently leaves a lot of open questions in the computer age.
It's real easy to scan in data from someones listings and reformat the
data electronically. That would make any sort of data vulnerable. No
mention in the ruling was made of cartographic data, but it seems worth
following up to see what other sorts of cases are measured against this
one (and whether this one stands up to appeal).

	Allan Doyle



Allan Doyle                                        adoyle@bbn.com
Bolt Beranek and Newman,  Incorporated             +1 (617) 873-3398
10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138             USA
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From:         "Farrell W. Jones" <farrell@CYPRESS.CADGIS.LSU.EDU>
Subject:      Contact

Would the person from Maine who is trying to contact me please resubmit
your message.

Farrell Jones                  email: farrell@cypress.cadgis.lsu.edu
Systems Manager                voice: (504) 388-6134
LSU CADGIS Research Lab          fax: (504) 388-6400
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From:         Coleman@CENSIS.UTAS.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: finding email addresses

Further to Catherine Dibble's and Paul Tomblin's comments regarding
tracking down E-mail addresses for people who post to GIS-L or directly to
"comp.infosystems.gis":

>>You can get the list of names and email adresses for all
>>(non-hidden) GIS-L subscribers by sending a message that says:
>
>>REVIEW GIS-L           to    LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
>
>However, this will not help you with the postings that come to GIS-L via a
>Usenet posting, such as this one.  That is one reason it behooves us to
have
>an email address in our .signature files, even though in most groups it's
a
>waste of bandwidth.

I agree that at least a name & return address should be included on all
postings to any newsgroup.  However, there is a tool for finding the
addresses of people if you know they have posted messages to one or more of
the Newsgroups.  USENET aparently maintains a file of everyone who makes a
posting to one of the newsgroups involved and the date of their last
posting.   If: (a) you know the person's name; (b) you know roughly the
organisation or location of the person in question;  and (b) you're willing
to (sometimes) wade through a list of names, you can usually find the
address of the person you wish to contact.

----
To query this "database", send an E-mail message to
<mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu> with "send usenet-addresses/name" in the
body or subject of the message, where "name" is either the first or last
name of the person for whose address you are searching.

e.g., send usenet-addresses/Tomblin

Non-alphanumeric characters in names (such as apostrophes in Irish names)
should be replaced with a period (e.g., "send usenet-addresses/o.brien").
The search will be done in a case-insensitive manner, and multiple requests
can be handled in the same message.
----

Try it out -- it has helped me from time to time.

Cheers,



-----
David Coleman    <coleman@censis.utas.edu.au>
Centre for Spatial Information Studies
University of Tasmania,
Hobart, Tasmania, AUSTRALIA
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From:         MEULEN@RCL.WAU.NL
Subject:      Comparing functionalities of GIS

To every GIS-user:

I'm starting a research comparing some GIS concerning four functionalities.
The GIS will be:
ARC/INFO, ERDAS, GRASS, GEOPAKKET, GENAMAP, MGE/SX, ILWIS, IDRISI, SPANS,
 MAPINFO and ATLAS*GIS.

The four (general) functionalities are:
1 building applications and using one's own models
2 graphical and text output
3 data conversion
4 data manipulation and analyzing.

Are there any similar projects already completed or are you working on one or
 more of these functionalities and/or GIS-packages please let me know and send a
 mail to:

Eddo van der Meulen

email:     MEULEN@RCL.WAU.NL
papermail: Agricultural University of Wageningen
           Centre of Geographical Information (CGI)
           Generaal Foulkesweg 13
           6703 BJ  Wageningen
           The Netherlands
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From:         "Farrell W. Jones" <farrell@CYPRESS.CADGIS.LSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Comparing functionalities of GIS
              "MEULEN@RCL.WAU.NL" at Sep 8, 92 3:02 pm

> To every GIS-user:
>
> I'm starting a research comparing some GIS concerning four functionalities.
> The GIS will be:
> ARC/INFO, ERDAS, GRASS, GEOPAKKET, GENAMAP, MGE/SX, ILWIS, IDRISI, SPANS,
>  MAPINFO and ATLAS*GIS.
>
> The four (general) functionalities are:
> 1 building applications and using one's own models
> 2 graphical and text output
> 3 data conversion
> 4 data manipulation and analyzing.
>
> Are there any similar projects already completed or are you working on one or
>  more of these functionalities and/or GIS-packages please let me know and send
 a
>  mail to:
>
> Eddo van der Meulen
>
> email:     MEULEN@RCL.WAU.NL
> papermail: Agricultural University of Wageningen
>            Centre of Geographical Information (CGI)
>            Generaal Foulkesweg 13
>            6703 BJ  Wageningen
>            The Netherlands
>

Eddo:

Here at LSU, we have experience with MGE/SX, ERDAS, and Atlas.  Our
experience with Arc/Info is not as great, but several labs have
successfully carried out projects with it.  If we can help, please do
not hestitate to mail me something.


Farrell Jones                  email: farrell@cypress.cadgis.lsu.edu
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From:         bli@NPAC.SYR.EDU
Subject:      Re: Calling C from ARC/INFO [TASK]?
              12 Sep 92 20:40:14 EDT." <9209130045.AA18105@spica.npac.syr.edu>

Ding, could you mail me that AML file and the C programs?  I am going to try
multitask processing across several GIS platforms.  Thanks.

Bin
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From:         koop@CC.RUU.NL
Subject:      Re: electronic atlases

=> At Utrecht University, Cartography Dept, we developed the National Atlas
=> Information System (DEMO). This is a primitive prototype of a electronic
=> national atlas built in HyperCard on the Macintosh> We reported on this at
Unfortunately, we don't have proceedings of EGIS-90, but, Atlas slide show
with Hypercard and E-Atlas seem to be different. What kind of interactivity
your NAIS of NL has?

Frank Hoffmann, TUD
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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      GIS and archaeology - new publication

Thought the following might be of interest, passed on to me by a colleague
in the Archaeology department. he has sent me a photocopied extract from
the flier, which gives the following details:

GIS Approaches to Regional Analysis, by Vincent Gaffney and Zoran Stancic
100p, 63 figs, 4 colour (Research Institute, Faculty of Arts, Ljubljana,
Slovenia, 1991). Pb 9.95 UK Pounds. [No ISBN given. The publisher details are
not totally clear, but it appears to be Oxbow (the imprint of the British
Museaum Press, in which case it may be ordered through the British Museum
Press, 46 Bloomsbury Street, London WC1B 3QQ. Telephone 071-323-1234.

The flier adds the following description of the text:

"A case study of the use of GIS on the island of Hvar off the Dalmatian Coast
provides the sort of example that will be invaluable to those considering or
just wondering about using GIS themselves. The book begins with an explanation
of the principles of GIS, of the hardware and software required, and of the
means of data capture. Examples then show how the technique can be used to
investigate the distribution of hill forts in relation to the terrain; to
correlate Bronze Age stone cairns with good agricultural land, and show that
they are a by-product of field clearance; to demonstrate the intervisibility
of Greek watchtowers and the settlement at Pharos."

Happy reading!
Darius Bartlett
DJB@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
From: chungr@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Archaeological data wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:34:31 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Does anyone out there know of a good source for the location of historical
archaeological sites in Israel, Egypt and the rest of the Mediterranean area?

Any coordinate system from UTM to lon/lat would be fine. This would be of great
help in a Biblical Archaeology project.


Thanks,
Roy

Roy Chung
Department of Geography
University of Northern Iowa

chungr@uni.edu
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From:         "Patrick L. Jones" <pjones@NEON.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      Mapinfo contours ?

	Howdy,

	Has anybody added contouring capabilities to MapInfo ??.
If so where can I find more information?



				Thanx,

				Patrick Jones
				plj@mitre.org
				703-883-1761
From: ij27@sol.acs.unt.edu (Gaddamanugu Vishwa Prasad)
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Subject: e-mail address to subscribe for ERDAS
Summary: ERDAS
Keywords: Subscribe ERDAS
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:21:19 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

I am a Graduate student doing my Research work using ERDAS

I was also looking for some means to convert ERDAS files to GRASS.

Pl. subscribe me under the ERDAS mailing list group so that I would
be getting updated on the latest.

If not pl. advice me what to do.

Awaiting reply.

Thank You in advance

Bye 
Vishwa

			Vishwa Prasad Gaddamanugu
			  ij272sol.acs.unt.edu



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From: pstephan@mcs.kent.edu (Paul H. Stephan)
Subject: Handling coincident features in ARC/INFO
Originator: pstephan@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:17:21 GMT

I need a way to retain coincident line features when using the ARC CLIP
command.  CLIP automatically performs a CLEAN on the coverage which removes
one of the two features.  The problem exhibited itself with a bridge that
was defined on top of a road; after CLIP the bridge disappeared.
I am using version 5.0 (I believe 6.0 might have a solution, but that's
not currently an option).

Please email any responses.

Thanks,

Paul H. Stephan (pstephan@mcs.kent.edu)

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From:         MIT250@MITS.COM.AU
Subject:      RDB-COMPARISON

Dear ALL,

I am interested in any information on commercial RDB comparisons, is anybody
out there aware of articles/papers on:

ORACLE vs. INGRES vs. INFORMIX vs. DEC/RDB    on a VAX platform (or other...)?

Thanks for your time.....
From: farrell@CYPRESS.CADGIS.LSU.EDU (Farrell W. Jones)
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Date: 8 Sep 92 15:28:50 GMT
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              Gould" at Sep 7, 92 6:48 pm

> Greetings Netters:
>     I was wondering if there are any Microstation MDL programmers reading
> this news group who would be willing to answer the (I hope) occasional
> questions that a neophyte MDL programmer, such as myself, will inevitably
> encounter?  If so, would you please send your net address directly to me?
> (No sense in using up the bandwidth!).
>                                     Thanks for any response.
>                                     David Gould    dgould@uga.bitnet
>                                                    dgould@uga.cc.uga.edu
>

David:

I was a programmer that used the old CSL from the VAX.  While I do not
have very much experience with MDL itself, I have several programmers
working for me using MDL and I/FORMS on a daily basis.  If we can be of help,
please let me know.


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From:         "Virginia R. Hetrick" <IARGRAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Landsat type images for ftp

They were in the public domain as late as 1989.  What's happened
since then I don't know.  I'd bet nothing.

virginia
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From: danielbt@cs.curtin.edu.au (Brett Daniel)
Subject: Geonex UK Ltd photomapping software
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:36:20 GMT

Can someone please send me the address (email or otherwise ) for Geonex UK Ltd.
I am interested in their photomapping software GEODAS.  If anyone is familiar
with it, please give me a bell.  


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Brett Daniel
School of Computing Science
Curtin University of Technology
Western Australia.
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From:         Duane F Marble <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      GIS in Business - 1993

I have a brief announcement noting that the Second Annual "GIS in
Business" conference will be held in Boston on 7 - 10 March, 1993.

More info from:
GIS World
303/223-4848        (Fax) 303/223-5700

--
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This is not correct.  Data must be declared HUGE, then they can exceed
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8, 16, 32 but not 8 or 12 bytes.

whita@microsoft.com
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I think that Microsoft Fortran 77 has a maximum data segment size of
64k.  If your data structure is bigger than that, you either have to
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From:         Hui Feng <hfeng@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>
Subject:      subscription to GIS-L

Dear Sirs,

I am a Ph.D. student in the Geography Dept. of Syracuse
University and very interested in GIS's. Recently I came
across the "GIS discussion list" and found it very useful.
Could someone help me to add my name to your reading list?
My email address is hfeng@rodan.acs.syr.edu.

Thanks in advance for your help

Sincerely

Michael Feng
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From:         Duane F Marble <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Line Thinning Methodologies

The current issue of IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON PATTERN ANALYSIS AND
MACHINE INTELLIGENCE, Vol. 14, No. 9, Sept. 1992, contains a
useful article by Louisa Lam, Seong-Whan Lee, and Ching Y. Suen
entitled:
     "Thinning Methodologies -- A Comprehensive Survey"
It occupies pages 869-885 and lists 138 citations.
As usual, little of the cartographic literature (e.g., Peuquet's
two part article in CARTOGRAPHIA) is included.

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From:         "Tim McGrath" <tmcgrath@TMCGDNELNC.CR.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: ESRI.COM IP Address?
              92 7:06 am

>
> ESRI is not on internet. Therefore its machines such as ESRI.COM
> do not have an internet accessible number.  You can contact most
> people here using the <first_initial><last_name>@esri.com
> convention. i.e. my email address is jsandhu@esri.com
>
> Jay Sandhu
>

ESRI can be reached through the UUNET/Internet gateway.  To reach
support@esri.com from Internet you use:

support%esri.com@uunet.UU.NET

Most commercial addresses we see on signatures with the "company".com
address access GIS-L or comp.infosystems.gis through a UUCP (Unix to Unix
Copy) connection -- ie a modem.  The UUCP gateway syntax is as follows:

user%host@uunet.UU.NET


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