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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:06:24 GMT

In article <roelle.721602222@uars_mag> roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) writes:
>John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>... Her name is Sharula and that is the same name as a star
>>in the Scorpius (sometimes called Scorpio) constellation. 
>                  ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Scoropio is not a constellation; it is an astrological sign.  We 
>realize you are unable to distinguish between astrology and astronomy 
>John, as well as your other problem with fantasy V. reality. 


I for one, do not appreciate anal comments like this in this group.
You have to give people a break sometimes, and go with the larger
picture.
Jeff-
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: California Pyramids? (was: UFOs and Newage)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:24:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <68889@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Subject: The Pyramid At Lone Pine. 
>  I once was told where there were two pyramids in Calif. One of them was at 
>Lone Pine and the other was on the North Fork of the American River at 
>Snakehead Point east of Sacramento, Calif. 
>  The one that is at Lone Pine is off the road at the town of Lone Pine, 
>Calif. which is between Mojave and Reno on Highway 395. 

Dear John,

I stopped off at Lone Pine last summer, while on my way to Death Valley.
They have a visitor's center there; the town is the best place to reach
Mt. Whitney, the tallest peak in the lower 48 states. It's a tiny
little town, yet I sure as hell didn't notice any pyramid there. I'm 
surprised that they don't mention something about it in the visitor's center.

I watched your TV show "Science Faction" this past Tuesday. Folks, guess
what John was talking about? Surprise: the Great Pyramids of China!



-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
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From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:03:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uars_mag.roelle.721602222
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>... Her name is Sharula and that is the same name as a star
>in the Scorpius (sometimes called Scorpio) constellation. 
                  ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Scoropio is not a constellation; it is an astrological sign.  We 
realize you are unable to distinguish between astrology and astronomy 
John, as well as your other problem with fantasy V. reality. 
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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: The time has come
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:31:30 GMT

On another note however,
When did I ever attack new age?
I attacked what I thought(And have later admitted) wasnt an attack
on my religion.
I get plenty of newage articles on Christian networks. So I believe
it only fair to try to show my views on this network as long as I
dont tick anyone off(which I just did(sorry again))
I wouldnt dare go on this network and attack newage I think we would all
agree that would be an idea abundant with stupidity.
It would be like dressing up in a white sheet,walking into a multicultural
bar and yelling White supremist junk(not a good idea!!)
once again
later

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
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From: docken@convex.com (William Dockendorf)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:25:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <69318@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: I believe you will find that not all space people hold to 
>the rule of slowing down when they get so close to a planet. Some of 
>them speed up when they get away from the planets of a system.

  What, you mean there's no "star cops" to give them a ticket for
speeding?

>of a group of space people from the planet Legart in the constellation
>Lebra who can go a little over 4 light year an hour. Please ask Don
>Showen how fast the people from the Pleides can go. I believe you will
>find they can really move on.
>John Winston.

  4 light years an hour, hmmm that works out to Warp 32.73 according to
my formula.  Captain Kirk and Scotty must be green with envy...

 William

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 03:05:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

1>+
Subject: Sexual Behavior of 
Bigfoot. Part 2.
  This is the second part of a story about a secretary from Seattle, 
Washington who had a child by being impregnated by a Bigfoot. These are her 
words;  I could never love another man after loving him. That might sound 
odd to some people but if you knew Bigfoot like I know Bigfoot, you'd say 
the same. 
  Little Kelly was born on April 28, 1988. The doctor who delivered the boy 
was horrified  to see that his face was covered with curly brown hair.  
  But Miss Martin says she had prepared herself for anything and recalls 
telling the doctor that everyting will be okay.  
  As it turns  out the baby inherited characteristics from his Bigfoot father 
and from me. He's strong and hairy like his daddy and he has artistic talent 
and an aptitude for mathematics like me. 
 But the thing I'm proudest of is his emotional strength and maturity. People 
who don't know us make fun of the way he looks but Kelly, (Littlefoot) 
doesn't let it bother him a bit.
  I could shave his face but he knows that Bigfoot is his daddy and he's proud 
of that.  When people crack jokes about him he looks up at me with those big 
brown eyes and says, "Mommy they don't understand."
  He's certainly right about that. I've lost a lot of co-called friends who 
want nothing to do with me  since I gave bitth to this precious little boy, 
I love him so much I call him Littlefoot. 
  Things could be worse. The genes Kelly got from this dad just put hair on 
his face. He could have gotten genes that left him covered with it. 
  Miss Martin say she has returned to Mt. Rainier National Park every year 
since Kelly was born but hasn't seen hid nor hair of the boy's father. 
  As Miss Martin said, Kelly takes his appearance in stride. "I'm just like my 
daddy and love my daddy," he said. "I love my mommy, too."
  So this is me (John Winston) talking now. We'll have to keep an eye on this 
kid.
The End.
John Winston.
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  I could save wZ

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little boy, I love him so much I call him Little
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 03:21:12 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:

> > Spiritual Intelligence Test.
> > (Please answer each question in 25 words or less)
> > 1) What is the soul?
> The bottume of my shoue.

Question 1 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)

> > 2) What is the purpose of human life?

> To keepe the soul of mye shoue in goode repaire.

Question 2 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)

Overall grade: 0%. Try again!


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      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
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From: kish@ring8.rutgers.edu (Kish)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Spirit in the light o
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:43:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Kalki:
+ This quote would be nicer if it specified the object of the "ecstatic
+ love". One must love God in order to feel real ecstasy.  The sentiment
+ is nice, though.  I like most of your statements.  Very advanced
+ compared to the atheistic nonsense which constitute the bulk of this
+ newsgroup. Could stand a more definite description of God, though.
+ Sincerely, Kalki Dasa

	I think its a good idea to use care when deploying labels and
generalizations.  One person's atheism might very well be another's
theism.  I've seen people use terms like soul and God in ways that I
didn't have any problem with, despite the fact that I am involved in
what is obstensibly a non-theistic tradition (Buddhism).

	I tend to have a problem with what most Christians mean by
God, but have no problem with what a Jewish mystic means by G-d.  I
think it comes down to whether someone's experience of G-d is rooted
firmly in the groundless solidity of sunyata or whether said experience
has been corrupted by the quicksand of "somethingness". 

	You seem to intimate above that you can put forward a "definite
description of God".  If you meant your words to be taken literally,
then I really would like to read what you have to say.

Yours in Dharma,
-Bill Kish
-- 

PHONE: (908) 932-5026
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:23:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69301@cup.portal.com> <BxK8r5.6MG@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Dear Folks: You people are asking some very good questions. I just got 
back from the OOBE train. My concious mind did a lot of thinking about
Big Foot. Maybe some of the other people can tell me what my higher 
self was doing. I was doing some checking of stars in an old book last
night and saw the name of the person I know from inside Mt. Shasta and the
city of Telos. Her name is Sharula and that is the same name as a star
in the Scorpius (sometimes called Scorpio) constellation. 
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: 28th Oct Rapture: Real Reason?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:18:42 GMT

kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us wrote:

: Have you precisely followed the recommendations of any religion? Have
: you done exactly what the scriptures say to do, without omitting or
: adding anything of your own devising? Have you actually undergone any
: process of purification, without even the slightest cheating? Have you
: accepted a spiritual master, and are you doing your best to carry out
: his orders?
: 
: God is not cheap, and He reserves the right not to reveal Himself to
: anyone and everyone. Sincerity is what counts. If one sincerely wants to
: find God, then the way will be provided. But one must be serious and not
: back out when the way is revealed.
: 
: Yes, the Truth you speak of exists. The Absolute Truth must be
: approached with a proper attitude. One cannot simultaneously desire
: something and run from it. One must be whole-heartedly determined to
: find the Absolute Truth.

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG          erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com         801/538-0177
"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to becaome aware of what
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 06:45:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Space Crafts From Other Planets.
  Here is some information from the space people about their craft; Let us 
examine first that type of craft so prevalent in your illustrations.  This 
is the craft shown having three protuberences emerging from the bottom.  
These craft, my brothers, are primarily intended for panetary survey work 
and very light gathering of supplies, as well as transport of small groups 
of persons.  They are not capable of complete interpanetary flight upon 
their own.  For the crossing of any planet's manetic field, they are 
transported within a larger vehicle, such as a mother ship.  They can 
function only within a planetary body's own magnetic field. For this 
purpose, they serve admirable.
  Now, let us examine those which were responsible for the furor we have 
inspired of recent (1947-1958) --those which your Kenneth Arnold discovered 
while flying his craft in the vicinity known to you as Mount Rainier, 
Washington.  These, the crescent shaped craft, have a definite mission.  
Their first and primary mission is the charting of those areas known as 
magnetic anomalies and fault zones upon your planets.  They are actually 
mapping craft of a very special nature. 
  Now, let us continue and examine that which is known as the triangular 
shaped craft as seen in the area know as your Rock Mountains.  These craft, 
my brother, belong to the Confederation and are extremely interesting.  
Their main purpose is to moitor the thought patterns and reactions of the 
people of  any paanet they are sent to survey.
  I now discuss that shape known as spheroid.  This type of craft is employed 
primarily from that know as a mother ship, and is used for scientific study 
or the gathering of specimens.  They handle a great deal of cargo. They are 
operated by remote control from a mother ship.  These craft can also be used 
for the transport of individuals of small groups.
  Let us move on and examine still another type--the long cylindrical shaped 
craft, commonly called by your people the mother ship.  The length of such a 
ship, employed by our Confederation, is over ten miles as figured by your 
terminology.  They are capable of housing approximately 300 to 500 of the 
first type of craft we examined.  They carry a crew of anywhere from 1,500 
to 2,000 occupants.  They can remain in space, removed from any planetary 
system, for a period of 10 of your years and be entirely self-sufficient.  
They are capable of interstellar travel on a limited basis and can reach 
some of the closer star systems to your solar system. We refer to these 
craft as our primary transportation.  They are equipped to travel at speeds 
in excess of light. However, when these craft are operated within several 
parsecs of any planetary body, their speed is reduced for obious reasons. 
End Part 1.
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:30:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Pyramid Builders: It is my hope to find some of the people
who built that pyramid with me at Long Pine in a previous life.
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:06:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: sgil@netcom.com (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:27:45 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

: Dear Folks: I believe you will find that not all space people hold to 
: the rule of slowing down when they get so close to a planet. Some of 
: them speed up when they get away from the planets of a system. I know 
: of a group of space people from the planet Legart in the constellation
: Lebra who can go a little over 4 light year an hour. Please ask Don
: Showen how fast the people from the Pleides can go. I believe you will
: find they can really move on.

Why don't these races use the same technology?  We're having enough
trouble here on Earth with patent/copyright infringement and enforcement;
I'd expect that on an interstellar scale keeping a technology from
being copied would be impossible.
--
Steve Gilbert					(sgil@netcom.com)
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Murari-Sevaka News
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 14:15:59 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:

> >Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
> >Published under the direction of Jayapataka Swami, Regional ISKCON GBC
> 
> This is the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, also
> known popularly as the Hare Krishna movement.

> I visited the Fisher Mansion in Detroit which is now owned by ISKCON
> and learned a bit about them.  What interested me was their devotional
> practice of adorning a statue of Krishna with clothes and flowers,
> offering it food and drink, and praising it with chants and prayers.
> Their belief (and please correct me if I'm erring) is that Krishna is
> a divine personage that actually comes and inhabits the statue.  I had
> a small e-mail exchange with a ISKCON devotee which confirmed this.
> 
> I didn't realize that practices such as this still existed.

  Krishna, or God, is already in the "statue" (and everywhere else), but
He cannot be perceived by the ordinary senses of the conditioned soul.
Because of falsely identifying the material body and mind as identical
to the self, the conditioned soul is not accustomed to seeing God
everywhere. Yet God is everywhere. The devotees can see how God, or
Krishna is not different from His representation in the form of the
deity in the temple, because they have undergone a process of
purification which has de-contaminated their senses and removed their
false material identification. They know that Krishna is the Absolute
Truth, the Personality of Godhead. As such, Krishna is not different
from His "statue" or His name or any other of His characteristics.

  It is therefore incorrect to say the Krishna "comes and inhabits" His
deity form. He is eternally inhabiting everything and does not need to
"come" anywhere. Rather, it is we who need to learn how to see Him. This
is possible through Bhakti-yoga, or loving devotional service to the
Lord. Bhakti-yoga is thoroughly explained in "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" by
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

                                          Sincerely,
                                          Kalki Dasa


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      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
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From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<1dmgapINNktu@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:01:35 GMT

In article <1dmgapINNktu@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland) writes:
> I thought that a parsec was several light years.

	Three point something.  I think it's 3.26.

> If so, then most places in this region of the galaxy are within
> "several parsecs" of another planet, ergo faster than light travel
> will be impossible for them.

	You got that right.  The nearest star suspected of having
planets, Barnard's Star, is (6.0 light years) less than 2 parsecs
away, so a ship from there to here would be forced to travel the whole
way at sub-light speeds.  Not much of a problem for the crew (if they
travel near c), but it must be hell on the families back home.
	If planetary bodies are a problem, why not stars as well?  One
might as well just forget about intragalactic travel.  <shrug>

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                      "Who told you I was paranoid?!  It was THEM, wasn't it?!"
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From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:26:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Kalki writes:

>No. God is male. It is a fact. God is not a human being. Duality in the
>material world does not refer to male/female but to spirit/matter. In
>the kingdom of God, there are males and females, but there is no matter.
>God Himself is the supreme male, and His consort is called Yogamaya, who
>is the internal energy of God. Yogamaya is the supreme female. There
>should be no problem with this. In the spiritual kingdom of God,
>everyone serves everyone else.

From the Jewish perspective, if your deity is male and has a consort,
then it is not G-d but either a created entity or a limited perception
of G-d manifesting into this world (i.e., not G-d but only our weak
way of making sense of G-d's manifestation in this world).

Jews would say that the Creator is an absolutely simple Unity without
even the possibility of duality.  G-d is neither male nor female nor
is G-d a person.  G-d is unfettered by the constraints of all human
concepts; personhood and gender are serious constraints.  We might
perceive G-d's manifestation into the world in both male and female
qualities (e.g., the Holy One -- male -- and the Shekhinah -- female)
but this is a reflection of our nature, not G-d's.


I wouldn't impose Jewish interpretations on you.  Why do you try to
impose your so-called "facts" on all of us?

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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