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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Playing with your fingers
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:02:29 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov20.155701@aifh.ed.ac.uk>, aikes@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kerry Swatridge) writes:
> 
> I play both bass and guitar and I get a conflict between how long I should keep
> my fingernails on my picking hand.  I like to play bass with my fingers, for
> which I need to keep the nails short for that nice soft sound, but guitar too,
> and I need to have my nails somewhat longer, to be able to get a good sharp
> tone.  Conflict!  What's the solution?

Arch the fingers a bit more and play with the "meat" of your fingers.  Your
finger-nails should never come near to the string (unless of course you want
then to!).  Basically, modify the way you use your fingers.  That way there
should be no conflict.

Evan

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From: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (peter christopher norton)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:22:10 GMT

>>richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog) writes:
>>>Hey!  Whoever had the idea to make rec.music.makers.bass.tab should be 
>>>given a Modulus Graphite 6-string fretless!
>>
>>Yup! I agree totally.We dont all have ftp access...

>But for those of us who do...  Anyone feel like posting a site list?

>Or at least mailng *ME* one?  :)

>Marcus.
Mee too!
Post your Tab!  Do whatever! WE ALL WANT IT! Hell, I can read music, too,
and I can print postcript files... give me anything with FUNK.

Oh, yeah, I'm for putting the tab in a new group... Do it!
From: dbox@net4.ics.uci.edu (Don Box)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Reply-To: dbox@ics.uci.edu (Don Box)
Organization: UC Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:09:03 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <vcs1b4-@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>Flame on...
>
>wonder twin powers activate...
>	form of: Emmett Chapman
>	shape of: a Chapman Stick price tag.
>
>Sitcks are very well designed instruments (with the exception of the pickups)

                       tm
His pickups (and Sticks  for that matter) have gone through MANY
incarnations.  I've owned 4 sticks, each of which had notably
different pickups (not just cosmetic differences).  The pickups on the
current (as of last year at least) instruments are the best sounding so
far, with the possible exception of some of the old wooden-cover ones.
I liked the sound of the new ones so much that I had Emmett install
one on my Baritone.

>and I bear Emmett no malice but, as a builder, I have to clue everyone in.
>Sticks are VERY overpriced.
>
> ... lots of REALLY naive flaming about unfair profit margins deleted...


Look, the "standard" markup for a manufacturer working in Emmett's
genre and scale is around 5 times total cost.  Since he needs to sell
Sticks to music stores for around 40% off list, this comes out about
right IF your cost ($100-$150) and retail ($1300) are correct.  Of
course, even $150 doesn't begin to include all of the expenses of
operating a business in Southern California (workman's comp, high
taxes, inflated property values).  Also, you are ignoring the R&D
costs.  The Stick has evolved CONSIDERABLY over the years.  Surely
this is worth a couple of bucks, right?

Most importantly, the thing you are completely neglecting to factor in
is the value of the idea.  Emmett thought up the idea and holds
several patents on it.  Even if you do not feel this is worth money,
it is.  Emmett also provides warranty and after-warranty service.
This is also a cost you have neglected to consider.

Remember, most software packages only cost a few dollars in materials,
but sell for a far greater profit margin than Sticks.  Just because
anyone with some basic tools (e.g., a disk duplicator and a photocopy
machine) and a little confidence could build himself his very own
_INSERT_FAVORITE_SOFTWARE_TITLE_HERE_ doesn't mean it's such a good
idea for him to do so.


DB

PS: All Sticks have had truss rods from AT LEAST #285 (there are AT
LEAST 2500 Sticks in existance).  I owned #285 and it had a single
truss rod.  I know of an Ebony Stick in the #230 range that did NOT,
but this might have been due to the nature of ebony, not any design
flaw.  Around the era of the #500's or so Emmett went to a dual truss
rod system.  I'm pretty sure the polycarbonate Sticks had a truss rod,
and I know that the new exotic wood Sticks have a single adjustable
and REMOVABLE truss rod.


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From: cei@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles E. Ivy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Chapman Stick Serial #'s (Was Re: Chapman sticks)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:11:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cei@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles E. Ivy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, friedman@wizard.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) says:

>In article <2B0896E7.2292@ics.uci.edu> dbox@ics.uci.edu (Don Box) writes:
>>If you do buy a used instrument, you might benefit from sending it to
>>Emmett for a once-over, especially if the instrument is really old or
>>has been "experimented on."
>
>Well, if I were to guess the relative age of a Stick, what would be a
>good guess as compared to the serial number?  How high are the numbers
>on the most recent Sticks?
>
>							- Mark
>
>It looks like my brother and I are going to buy each other Sticks for
>X-mas!  Should be a load of fun: the Psychojazz Bros and their loyal
>drum machine...  ;-)
>
>-- 
>Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
>"There is nothing former  "Beat poets,    "Bite me,   "My jacket! I killed
> about King Crimson."      not children."  it's fun!"  Kennedy in this jacket!"
> - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90   - anonymous     - MST3K     - Ron Post
>

Emmett's kind of hap-hazard about his serial numbers. They don't mean a whole
lot to him. I play a White Oak Stick with the serial #240 branded into the
headstock. It was built in 1990. Emmett's been building sticks since ~1974
so that shows you how helpful the numbers are...
-- 
 . _____________________________
/:|____________________/__/__:_=| Chapman Stick		Chuck Ivy
\:|___________________/__/___:_=| White Oak #240	cei@po.cwru.edu
                       ++
From: mcsbc2ims@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Peavey Midibass
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:49:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

I ordered a Midibass when news of the launch fist hit Scotland and have been 
waiting months for one of the damn things to arrive in the country.
For reference I would love to know:

	1) How long have they been available in the States.
        
	2) How much do they retail at. (I had to cough up the
           equivalent of $2000 when I ordered mine).
	
	3) What the sound module supplied contains (overview).

Thanx in advance.

	Iain
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From: rogoff@netcom.com (Carolyn Rogoff David Rogoff)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:50:08 GMT

>   Imagine you are looking at a sine wave and you detect a zero crossing, OK,
>   what information do you need to determine the frequency?  The distance to 
>   the next zero crossing, i.e. one half-cycle. 
>
>Brian simplified his example so that the pickup's waveform is a sine wave
>or something equally easy to work with.  It ain't (look at a bass transient
>on a 'scope sometime, it's pretty wild), so in practice figuring out the
>frequency can take a while longer.  Still, depending upon the cleverness of
>the implementation, some amazing things are possible.  Additionally there
>are at least three different ways to get the conversion time down below a
>half cycle using multiple pickups, but I don't know of anybody actually
>doing that.  I doubt the market is big enough to support the investment.

But you can have pretty much a sine wave.  There is a seperate pickup for
each string.  The highest note on a string is at most (assuming 24 frets)
2 octaves above the open note.  If you put a steep low-pass filter,
set for this frequency, on each pickup output you basically get rid of
all harmonics.  This is much easier than a generic pitch converter becuase
you have a small & known pitch range.  I'm not sure how it would handle
harmonics (do any of the units track these?).

  David

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From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: reply to Pickup question
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:01:49 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ralph Gonzalez (rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
> 
> Yeah, my Kramer has an aluminum reinforced neck and a "dead" sound. The
> upside is that I'll never have to worry about the neck warping. But it
> is a very heavy instrument! The way the strap pins were originally placed,
> it hung DOWNWARD at a 20 degree angle and was unusable. I moved the pins
> to balance it better.

	Wasn't somebody complaining the aluminium necks tend to react
	*very* strongly to changes in temperature?

> 
> I tried adding a homemade acoustic pickup, but this wasn't satisfactory
> to getting more liveliness from the instrument. I'm toying with the
> idea of boring out some spaces in the body so it is semi-hollow, but
> probably won't get the guts to do it...

	A simpler idea is to carve some wood off from around the
	pickups, and then mount them to a scratchplate. There's 
	a kind of acoustic chamber under the pu's and they are 
	mountet to something that vibrates more.

	If you use your fingers, the scratchplate could be made of
	wood veneer.

	

> 
> -Ralph
> -- 
> Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
> Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
> --

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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:30:25 GMT

There are mane scanned fret guitars avaliable. The most notable
are Sytheaxe(ala Holldsworth) and Zeta which also has a hex
pickup for more natural expressiveness (scanned frets cant trace
vibrato or volume).  Its about time someone did it with a bass!
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: reply to Pickup question
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:09:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>woods.  Kramers, I believe, are made out of very heavy, dense woods.  They
>even made their necks out of aluminum at one time.  This reflects the common
>trend of thought in the 70's (ie:"denseness = sustain. We should compensate the
>tonal loss with our amplifier/pickups") This attitude is slowly disappearing as
>more builders concentrate on tonal enhancement rather than sustain. 

Yeah, my Kramer has an aluminum reinforced neck and a "dead" sound. The
upside is that I'll never have to worry about the neck warping. But it
is a very heavy instrument! The way the strap pins were originally placed,
it hung DOWNWARD at a 20 degree angle and was unusable. I moved the pins
to balance it better.

I tried adding a homemade acoustic pickup, but this wasn't satisfactory
to getting more liveliness from the instrument. I'm toying with the
idea of boring out some spaces in the body so it is semi-hollow, but
probably won't get the guts to do it...

-Ralph
-- 
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Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
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From: kimple@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: FAQ, PART 2 (strings for electrics)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:47:52 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College


In regtard to Question 12, about strings. According to my interview with
Don Dawson of D'Addario (for Guitar Digest Magazine), almost ALL wrapped
strings are made with hex core wire - eaiser for the wrap wire to grip.
Thus, no longer a need for the silk wrapping. IF a string has the silk 
wrap, AND a hex core, then the silk is PURELY cosmetic.


BTW - There are only 3 BIG US string manufacturers, and several Eurpean. the
rest are jsut putting thier label on someone else's strings. Ex.: D'Angelico
strings are really GHS. Thier are other, much smaller string manu.s, but most
of the market is the big 3...

And almost all the manu.s buy thier core wire from the same place...  

jd
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From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Subject: Victor Wooten Was: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:21:25 GMT

In article <_0y1qdd@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>Victor wooten is the GOD of this technique.  He does it when he slaps.
>his thumb slaps the string on the downstroke and pops it on the upstroke.
>He can keep up with fingerpicking banjo players as well as tapping
>circles around Stu Hamm.  See Bela Fleck and the Flecktones LIVE.  He'll
>make you get down on your knees and worship :^)

	Does anyone out there have a Bella Fleck CD?  Is it any good?
Is there anything available on video with Victor on bass?

						Webb

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Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
From: english@netlink.cts.com (Steven Foley)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:55:33 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Is it possible that other companies will use the same idea that Peavey 
has used to make different MIDI basses?  


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From: alh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Al Hooton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Standing in the Shadow of Motown.
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:28:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	OK, I need some help.  I've looked at Tower records, I've looked
other places, I've called the library, and I even forget who posted this
information (so I could humbly ask them in private).  So: would someone
kindly send me the publisher/label/catalog-#/etc. for "Standing in the
Shadow of Motown" on CD?  Please e-mail, as we don't need to waste any
more bandwidth on this then I already am.  I'm *really* eager to have a
copy of this thing.

	Yes, yes, I promise - I'll keep *everything* from now on!!  :-)

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From: aikes@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kerry Swatridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Playing with your fingers
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:57:01 GMT
Reply-To: aikes@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kerry Swatridge)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


I play both bass and guitar and I get a conflict between how long I should keep
my fingernails on my picking hand.  I like to play bass with my fingers, for
which I need to keep the nails short for that nice soft sound, but guitar too,
and I need to have my nails somewhat longer, to be able to get a good sharp
tone.  Conflict!  What's the solution?
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From: friedman@wizard.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:55:10 GMT

In article <2B0896E7.2292@ics.uci.edu> dbox@ics.uci.edu (Don Box) writes:
>If you do buy a used instrument, you might benefit from sending it to
>Emmett for a once-over, especially if the instrument is really old or
>has been "experimented on."

Well, if I were to guess the relative age of a Stick, what would be a
good guess as compared to the serial number?  How high are the numbers
on the most recent Sticks?

							- Mark

It looks like my brother and I are going to buy each other Sticks for
X-mas!  Should be a load of fun: the Psychojazz Bros and their loyal
drum machine...  ;-)

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former  "Beat poets,    "Bite me,   "My jacket! I killed
 about King Crimson."      not children."  it's fun!"  Kennedy in this jacket!"
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90   - anonymous     - MST3K     - Ron Post
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From: thanatos@titan.ucc.umass.edu (MATTHEW D SCHMILL)
Subject: tab request/recommendation
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:57:54 GMT

I have a request for anyone interested in transcribing good bass
songs. Pick up a copy of Rossiter Road by Amhad Jamal, and listen to
James Carrack's fretless playing. He has an extremely smooth, polished
sound.

Check it out and someone try and transcribe it !



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From: pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
Originator: pturner@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:53 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.140844.4717@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, rost@tecrus.dec.com (Brian Rost) writes:
> The bass is a modifed Peavey Dyna-Bass.  The bridge design is different since
> it also has sensors in the bridge, otherwise the thing is just a stock DynaBass
> with the MIDI pickup stuff added.  So if you like the DynaBass, you'll like
> this, and if you don't...
> 
> 					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com
> 
	What (exactly) is a DynaBass? Is this another Peavey product?
	Have you ever played one? Did you like it?...

	Pete
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:43:30 GMT

In article <2B08624F.14524@ics.uci.edu>, dbox@net4.ics.uci.edu (Don Box) writes:


|> taxes, inflated property values).  Also, you are ignoring the R&D
|> costs.  The Stick has evolved CONSIDERABLY over the years.  Surely
|> this is worth a couple of bucks, right?
|> 
|> Most importantly, the thing you are completely neglecting to factor in
|> is the value of the idea.  Emmett thought up the idea and holds
|> several patents on it.  Even if you do not feel this is worth money,
|> it is.  Emmett also provides warranty and after-warranty service.
|> This is also a cost you have neglected to consider.
|> 
|> Remember, most software packages only cost a few dollars in materials,
|> but sell for a far greater profit margin than Sticks.  Just because
|> anyone with some basic tools (e.g., a disk duplicator and a photocopy
|> machine) and a little confidence could build himself his very own
|> _INSERT_FAVORITE_SOFTWARE_TITLE_HERE_ doesn't mean it's such a good
|> idea for him to do so.
|>
 
dont get me wrong here, I love sticks.  However, I have also designed many
instruments stranger even than the stick and place little to no $ value on
my own R&D.  Perhaps that is a personal flaw; I realize emmett cant take that
luxury.  My intent was to let people know that if they have the desire sticks
are probably the easiest string instrument in the world to build with the 
exception of a washtub bass!  This is because it is a well designed concept.
I, however, tend to take the GNU approach to building..."concepts should be free".
This philosophy does not make good business sense though.
A warning:  building can often be more trouble than it's worth, and if
	    you dont have the tools it can be MORE expensive than just
	    buying one.  The cost in time is also very high.
	    Luthiers generally make less than minimum wage even with 
	    the markup. A better building:software analogy would be
	    reprogramming lotus from scratch on your home laptop!
	    Duplicating/photocopting is a good analogy for the eddie
	    VanHalen style of guitar assembly ;^)
|> 
|> PS: All Sticks have had truss rods from AT LEAST #285 (there are AT
|> LEAST 2500 Sticks in existance).  I owned #285 and it had a single
|> truss rod.  I know of an Ebony Stick in the #230 range that did NOT,
|> but this might have been due to the nature of ebony, not any design
|> flaw.  Around the era of the #500's or so Emmett went to a dual truss
|> rod system.  I'm pretty sure the polycarbonate Sticks had a truss rod,
|> and I know that the new exotic wood Sticks have a single adjustable
|> and REMOVABLE truss rod.

... sorry, was mistaken.  None of the older sticks Ive seen had truss rods
and I thought I understood that the new double truss was the first attempt
at such.
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From: seppi@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (YASHI)
Subject: Re: Playing with your fingers
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.155701@aifh.ed.ac.uk> aikes@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Kerry  
Swatridge) writes:
> 
> I play both bass and guitar and I get a conflict between how long I  
should keep
> my fingernails on my picking hand.  I like to play bass with my fingers,  
for
> which I need to keep the nails short for that nice soft sound, but  
guitar too,
> and I need to have my nails somewhat longer, to be able to get a good  
sharp
> tone.  Conflict!  What's the solution?



Quit playing guitar!
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From: hahn@seas.gwu.edu (James K. Hahn)
Subject: Low end bass
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:14:25 GMT


I am thinking of buying a "low-end" bass. I am not a serious
bass player and want something just to get started.

I have been looking at the Yamaha RBX250, Fender Standard P bass, and 
Charvel P/J bass all around $200-250.
How much of an advantage is it to have both the P and J pickups?

I would like some recommendations. Should I be looking for something
better? Used?

James
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