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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Custom bikes from Palo Alto Bicycles
Keywords: custom, Palo Alto
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:46:41 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I'm thinking of ordering a custom frame through Palo Alto Bicycles, and 
would like to talk with anyone who has done the same thing in the last few
years.  I'll want to find out how you felt about the experience, what you'd
recommend I do and what I avoid, and also how you feel about your bike now
that you've been riding on it for a while.  Did they do a good job of
translating your expressed desires and body measurements into a frame that
now suits your riding?  Is there anyone there you'd particularly recommend,
or suggest I stay away from.

I'd be happy to hear from people via email or to talk by phone.  If you're
close enough and we can find the right time, I'd be happy to buy you lunch
or dinner so we could talk at leisure.  My list of questions is growing
daily!

(FWIW, I'm leaning toward PA Bikes in spite of my having more experience
and confidence in Wheelsmith because I like McMahon's frames better than
Merlin's, and because PA Bikes warrantees their frames and bikes independ-
ently of the builder's warranty -- which is very nice when you're dealing
with a small builder who may have gone under by the time you have a
problem.  If anyone knows of other shops in the Bay Area that have the
same policy I'd like to know -- but be aware that it's pretty rare: most
shops act as if I'm crazy just for asking.)

Thanks in advance (and with appologies for posting here.  Postnews here
doesn't recognize any of the new groups yet.)
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.fitness
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Summary: 4 out of 5 doctors recommend getting off the bike first
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:21:37 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
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> This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
> of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
> blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?

The effect varies a lot from one person to another.  Giving blood usually 
leaves me pretty wrung out for a couple of days and opens the door for
any cold-like germs I might have been unwittingly fighting off.  The 
blood-bank people advise donors to eat a hearty meal, avoid heavy exercise,
and get to bed early on the day of the donation.  I can deal with that. :)
Then again, a few people just do one less Nautilus circuit and otherwise
appear unaffected.

I'd strongly recommend driving or taking public transit on the day of
your first couple of donations, just to ensure safety while you discover
how it affects you.

Joe "Don't forget: the LBL blood drive is this Thursday" Chew
From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WINTER IS COMING?!
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:15:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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> I RIDE MY BIKE ALL THROUGH THE YEAR. MY GREATEST PROBLEM DURING THE
> WINTER IS FROZEN FINGER TIPS.   [...]
> I WILL APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION AND TIP.

Move to Florida, or Kauai.  Just watch out for the headwinds...
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:31:50 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <BuIuG5.Fyz@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:


   I also assume the mountain bikes are better equipped for cold weather
   riding.  Any recommendations on bikes for riding on semi-snow-covered
   roads?  Are fenders back "in" for such purposes?


For the bike I would (do) use a mountain bike with studded tires (IRC
blizzards).  Around here even when the roads are pretty much dry you
get ice patches from snow-melt running onto the road and refreezing;
the studs really help with that. 

Someone else pointed out fender icing. A rack will be enough of a
barrier to keep your back from being sprayed.

I have seen lots of clothing (don't have any) which have windproof
fronts and breathable backs. I use a goretex jacket, longjohns, 
mitten windshells with glove or mitten liners, and a fleece helmet
liner I got at a mountaineering supply store.

I recently got SPD clipless pedels for my bike, but will likely go
back to platform pedals for the winter so I can wear warmer shoes
or boots.

-don perley
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Keywords: clothes
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:17:12 GMT

In <BuIuG5.Fyz@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:

>I suspect that
>there are now outfits made for cyclists to be worn in cold weather.
>What's available
>at what cost?  Are the fabrics easily washable?

There are indeed many good brands and styles of
cold-weather cycling gear available.  The major mailorder
companies carry good selections of basic clothing -- check
the FAQ for addresses & phone numbers.

There's still wool, but most clothing these days is
synthetic and machine washable.  Synthetic fleece is a
godsend for winter commuting.  If it rains hard enough to
saok me through my rain jacket & pants, the fleece can go
straight into the dryer and be warm and dry by lunchtime.

>I also assume the mountain bikes are better equipped for cold weather
>riding.  

An average mountain bike is probably better than an
average road bike, but either can be suitably equipped for
bad weather.  One problem I have heard of (but not
experienced) with mountain bikes is ice buildup in
underbar indexed shifters if you get caught in freezing
rain or sleet.  Probably a minor annoyance compared to the
buildup on the derailleurs themselves.

>Any recommendations on bikes for riding on semi-snow-covered
>roads?  Are fenders back "in" for such purposes?

Fenders can increase snow and ice encrustation if the snow
is wet and the air is still cold enough to refreeze it.
If you ride in these conditions, either skip the fenders
or make sure they have LOTS of clearance.  Carrying a can
of deicer might be a good idea, too.

(Glad most of my winter commuting is mid-30s rain -- it
may be cold, but at least it stays liquid.)

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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MISC:  Re: top five innovations
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:55:34 GMT

Tom Kunich writes:

> You will have to forgive me since I haven't the original articles and
> am trying to work from memory. I am reasonably sure that the original
> article I read discussed the person that did the research as a
> physiologist of some sort. I seem to remember that he was a teacher
> or some such -- perhaps a university professor.

Oh fine.  Now I and others whose intelligence you question regularly
"have to forgive" you.  I think it is your obligation to apologize for
your presumptuous manner, so presumptuous that others must forgive.
I still haven't figured out what moves you to such abrasive testiness
on any technical issue.  It reminds me of someone who wanted to be an
engineer and attacks others for having achieved that position.  In a
way like some of the pickup truck drivers.  Beer bellied couch potatoes
that attack bicyclists for being more physically fit.

> I am sure that had I read that the 'research' was done by someone
> with a marketing degree I would have pretty much discounted any
> subsequent results without verification.

Backpedaling now wont work.  The glue is out of the tube and won't
go back in anymore.  With all your boisterous criticism of other's
conscientious discourse, you are not entitled to this excuse because
you are the one who blocked that exit.

I get the impression you don't have a position on much of what you say
except that you disagree with what others say.  It seems to have no
direction or consistent point of view.  Have you ever given this a
though?  You'll note that those with whom you argue have no ax to grind.
If you get a bit more sociable, you will find agreement a lot easier.
It's not that all the people with whom you disagree are, as you like to
say, "out to get you".  These are your words directed at others.  I see
them as coming from one who runs around with a sign on the seat of his
pants saying "Don't kick me HERE!" with an arrow indicating where.

Ride bike and work it out of your system.  See you here again on Tuesday
after a good ride or two.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: What's the formula for finding gear-inches?
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:54:34 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I know it's simple, but I can't remember how it goes?  How does one
compute gear-inches given the # of teeth front and rear?

Thanks.

Chris
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From: msp2@hera.uucp (22321-seda-poulin)
Subject: Good Bike Shops in Northern NJ?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:10:25 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I'm looking for a good bike shop around northern NJ.
Could anyone recommend a good shop to go to (good bikes,
reasonable prices, friendly staff)?  Thanks!
					Marta Seda-Poulin
					msp2@cc.bellcore.com
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From: Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Organization: Shepherd Labs
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:19:09 GMT

I'ver been riding in Minneapolis all winter for the past 4 or 5 years. 
I've riden many miles at -15 F and below.  Usually +20 to 0 is about the
average.  Usually by the time I get to school/work I'm too hot except for
the extremities.

I have found a few pairs of tightly woven wool, stretchy, non-ichy,
european surplus, stirrup pants that I wear mid-weight poly-pro beneath. 
These are THE BEST pants for cold weather biking.
I wear my gore-tex hiking boots with poly-pro liners and heavy wool socks
which usually keeps my tootsies warm.  A couple layers and a shell keeps
my upper body plenty warm, I'm usually cool when I start, but sweaty when
I get to my destination.

The hands are the toughest I wear thermax liners and a gore tex
overglove.  If it's really cold I were my good old chopper mittens, but
my thumbs get cold NO MATTER what I do.

I have a poly-pro helmet liner and a neck sock over my head. Wrap-around
sunglasses (not oakleys, mine were only $10) keep the wind out of my eyes.

Enjoy the fall and keep warm!!
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From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 700c knobbies
Date: 10 Sep 1992 23:56:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
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Question about a hybrid??

What I have in mind is to have my rear canti posts repositioned on my
1980 stumpjumper to accommodate  a 700c/27" rear wheel while retaining
the 26" front with a 1.5 tire inflated to 50-60 psi for shock absorbtion
qualities.  I would use this bike exclusively for commuting and errands.

I want to run a disk cover and drop bars with standard thumbies positioned
to allow a semi comfy bar tops position.  But I plan on spending more time
on the hoods or drops.

Can I run regular brake levers or would I need the Dia-compes to work the cantis? 

Any reccs. on who can do the torch work?

thx

D
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:35:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1405@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com writes:
>Does that mean that women are incapable of ever being mechanics or chess  
>GMs or math geniuses?  Of course not.  Individual women will always  
>outscore individual men. I've certainly met some women who could smoke me  
>at math or stats, and that I'd hire in an instant over me. Even if the  

	Just to add another data point...
	When I was in college (not in the US) at least 80% of the math
	and stats majors were female.  Women also outnumbered men in
	chemical engineering, and there were about equal numbers in
	industrial engineering.  There were far fewer females in 
	mechanical engineering, because at that time it was perceived
	that M.E. required more brawn than brain.
	
	annette
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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Need information and experiences about drum brakes
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:43:37 GMT

In article <wwtnbwn.tomk@netcom.com>
tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
 
>
>The reason for hydraulic brakes would be because mechanical brakes
>are ineffective or inappropriate.
>
>The same applies to drum brakes.
>
>On bicycles, mechanically actuated rim brakes operate well within
>the performance requirements. Therefore, hydraulic brakes and
>drum brakes, which are more weather insensitive, aren't necessary.
>
Well, I had the opportunity to ride a mountain bike with hydraulic
brakes and it was my experience that they required less effort and
were much smoother than cable operated brakes. If it wasn't for the
cost I'd say they're an excellent choice for MTBs.
 
Cable brakes worked on cars, too, but hydraulic brakes proved to be
better. No cable stretch, no need to periodically lube and replace
cables, ease in routing, protection from contaminants, etc. I wouldn't
be surprised to see hydraulics become more popular in the future.
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What's the formula for finding gear-inches?
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Sep7.025434.12811@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins) writes:
>I know it's simple, but I can't remember how it goes?  How does one
>compute gear-inches given the # of teeth front and rear?

Divide the number of teeth on the front by the number of teeth on the
rear, then multiply by the diameter of your wheel.  Gives you
'gear-inches'.  For 'progression' (alternate measure used in some parts
of the world), take that answer and multiply by pi.

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From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Re: HG Chain vs. Sedis ATB
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.193453.28488@ico.isc.com>, bobb@ico.isc.com (Bob Bundy) writes:
|> By the way, I think the Shimano HG chain tool is much better than the
|> gold Cycoli.  The Cycoli pins seem to bend and mushroom, especially when
|> pushing the black HG replacement pins all the way in.  The Shimano tool
|> costs significantly more, however.
|> 
|> 
|> Bob Bundy

Before anyone rushes out to spend $20+ on the Shimano tool, at my shop
I busted two of the Shimano tools in short order, under normal operations.
The teeth that position/hold the link for the push pin are EXTREMELY
fragile.  I've had good luck with the HG Rivoli (gold) tool.

Michael Batchelder
mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike riding in San Antonio
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:06:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Sep10.204844.7860@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
prendergast@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov is directionless: 

>I will be traveling to San Antonio, TX during the week of Sept.
>14-18.  I'm looking for someone with knowledge of the San Antonio
>area.  ...

This mail address doesn't work: prendergast@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov

Where are you going to be in San Antonio?

If you want history, ride the Mission Trail.
You can cover the whole thing on bike and see
all the Missions.  I would suggest starting in the north, and 
then you end up closer to downtown when you're done.  That's
where most of the touristy stuff along the river (San Antonio
River Walk), La Villita, Arneson River Theater, Institue of Texan
Cultures, etc. are.  

If you want a training experience, ride from where ever you are in San
Antonio to the west side of the intersection of Nacogdoches Rd. and
Loop 410.  When the light turns green, sprint as hard as you can east
on Nacogdoches Rd. as far as the intersection with Broadway.

If you are out near UTSA, take loop 16?? around to HWY281 and go north
on HWY281.  New Braunfels is within reach.  Getting back to San
Antonio is easy since it is almost all downhill from anywhere outside
to San Antonio.  Another easy trip from around UTSA is out to Boerne.
Hondo (THIS IS GOD'S COUNTRY--DON'T DRIVE THROUGH IT LIKE HELL) might
be a little far.

If you want a weekend trip, head out I-10 toward Kerrville.  Very
uphill.  Spend the night in Kerrville (Kerrville State Park for
camping, almost any hotel or motel otherwise).  Any easy day trip from
Kerrville is north to Fredericksburg.  Other weekend trips include
Johnson City, Enchanted Rock, and some others.

That's pretty generic without knowing more about where you will be and
what your interests are.


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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WINTER IS COMING?!
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:25:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <lb45spINNm7g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer) writes:
>> I RIDE MY BIKE ALL THROUGH THE YEAR. MY GREATEST PROBLEM DURING THE
>> WINTER IS FROZEN FINGER TIPS.   [...]
>> I WILL APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION AND TIP.
>
>Move to Florida, or Kauai.  Just watch out for the headwinds...

I've got a pair of Nike ski gloves. They're not the big bulky kind. They're
made mostly out of rubber. I wear them with glove liners out of Nasbar and
I have always had tosty fingers in the winter. (-30 F bottom temp.)

Flip

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From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: recumbent wanted
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:23:09 EST
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In message: <dangold1.715547896@pv1414.vincent.iastate.edu>
dangold1@iastate.edu (Daniel M Goldman) writes:

DM>OK guys, you've convinced me.  I'm 6'1" and got strong legs
DM>(i.e. I don't need to stand up on the pedals, and I don't expect
DM>visibility to be a problem), so I'd like to try out one of these
DM>recumbents I've been reading about for ages.  Is there anyone in
DM>or near Ames, Iowa who has one I can try out?  Private individuals
DM>or dealer, it doesn't matter to me.  I just want to get on one of
DM>these things to see for myself.  An HPV event would be great if I
DM>could get to one, but in the mean time, I'd like to have a test
DM>ride on a local rig if someone was willing to provide one.
DM>Thanks -DmG  515 233 6931

Linear Recumbents is located in Guttenberg, Iowa.  Maybe you could 
ask them if they have a dealer near you.  Address is in the FAQ.

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From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:31:45 GMT

Jobst Brandt writes:
> Discouragement from natural-bias is not sufficient an excuse for the dearth
> of mechanically skilled women.  As an example I propose that little boys
> who choose to play with dolls and dress as girls are far more severely
> discouraged than girls who are interested in their family car or lawn mower.
> Yet the boys with dolls are not dissuaded from their typically feminine
> behavior and continue to have this preference.  Our president would have
> us believe that a large part of out population was led astray into aberrant
> behavior at youth to become homosexual.  I don't believe it.

You're basing your comparison on the assumption that a person is
mechanically skilled before they are discouraged.  If we assume that they
may be discouraged before mechanical skills even begin to develop, then it
does not seem strange at all that homosexuality, which you believe to be a
natural trait, is far harder to discourage.  Even if we assume, as does
George Bush, that homosexuality is learned, we may make a Freudian
interpretation (possibly an illegal tactic in the Republican world) and
argue that mechanical inclination is a far more sublime manifestation of
our libido than is sexual preference, and is thus far more subject to
discouragement.

>I am not a medical doctor but I learned enough to take care of certain
>injuries that i might incur.  I think women should likewise learn to take
>care of similarly important mechanical necessities that might arise.  This
>does not require a fundamentally mechanical nature and should lie within
>the grasp of most women as it does of most men who are equally unskilled
>in mechanical visualization and design.

I agree that we have a responsibility to ourselves to learn to be
functional in our technological world.  And having watched my sister grow
up technologically dysfunctional as a result of my mother's sexist
beliefs, I feel a great sense of loss, and disgust at her dependency.

I think that the medical field does have much in common (academically)
with the engineering field.  How do you feel about the prospects of women
in medicine?

>However, not to forget...
>Ride bike!

I think I would ride faster if I had a girl mechanic!		:-)

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From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride)
Subject: FAQ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:00 GMT

  Hi all,

  Can anyone tell me exactly where the FAQ is and how I can get to it?
I really dislike the idea of having someone else pull it out for me then
send it on.  Thanks in advance.

  Richard Brock
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