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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: PIRATE FAN MUSINGS-EMAIL YOUR RESPONSE (NO BRAVES FANS, PLEASE!)
Originator: delarocq@c00068-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:18:01 GMT




I am a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, disgusted by the Pirates' postseason performance.
I cannot believe that Bonds stated on National T.V. saying he had no slump.
Based upon his lackluster performance so far, I disagree with him.
I have a few questions for Pirates fans around the U.S. (and world) to answer.


1. Why do you think Andy Van Slyke can't hit anything all of a sudden? First,
   Andy is an awesome wonder during the regular season, and now he's mush?


2. Why did Barry Bonds whiff 1-2-3 yer out on his first at-bat? What is he 
   trying to prove, that he wants to hit a home run, ball or strike???

3. What's the deal with the stats about the Pirates on T.V.? They didn't even
   mention Atlanta's ability to choke in the World Series (+ they have never
   won one, either!)

4. Why did almost every pitcher for the Pirates walk a hitter with a 3-2
   count, and they proceed to give up at least two runs?

5. Why did the pitchers in Game #2 give up so many hits after 2 outs?

6. Why even watch the next few games if the Pirates are going to be this
   pathetic? (Sorry, I am in crisis stage).

7. Do you think Wakefield is the savior of the Pittsburgh bullpen?

8. WHY DID I MISS LIND'S HOME RUN? AARRGGHH!  (Sorry, frustration.....)

        I live in North Carolina, where all of a sudden Braves fans have
    sixtupled in number aver since 1991. Ever since, I have hated the Braves
    with every ounce of energy. If Pittsburgh can't beat the chumps from
    Atlanta, I'll have to be content with the AL winning the World Series!!!





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From: sali@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Sayf Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: The Jays
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:42:54 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

I'm sure everyone reading this newsgroup already knows this
but I just wanted to be the first to point out (for those Americans watching
the debate) the Jays overcame a 5 run deficit after 7 innings
to beat the A's in extra innings. Henderson, McGwire shut down.

Jay's all the way in '92... Are you ready Atlanta?
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baerga
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:59:26 GMT
 <39042@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <6906@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

1990 padre starting third basemen:

       paul faries, 1 game
       mike pagliarulo, 103 games
       bip robers, 46 games
       eddie williams, 12 games
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <7624@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jgmst5+@pitt.edu (Jarrod   G  
Miller) writes:
> In article <ker2=JK00WBKQ1Wl54@andrew.cmu.edu> bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Bill Thomas) writes:
> >
> >of the future. The Bucs should leave it to the Stillers and build  
a
> >smaller, more clever park for baseball (the mayor proposed this  
once but
> >was widely criticized; hey, she's not a great mayor, but I loved  
the
> >idea).
> 
> Which is a better idea, spending the money for a new baseball  
stadium, which
> we don't need, or spending the money to build housing for all the  
homeless
> people around here? 
> 

This kind of argument is nonsense. If we followed the "don't
do anything but the practical and necessary as long as there
are hungry people in the world"   we would not have sports 
teams at all, we wouldn't have museums, we wouldn't have
concert halls, and so forth.  There probably wouldn't be a fountain
at the point, or even a Point State Park. After all, how can we
we worry about making things look good when people are 
hungry.

Quality of life is an important issue, and all societies have to 
spend some money on this that are not strictly part of the day to 
day necessities of survival. 

Furthermore, improvements that help the quality of life do spill
over into other areas. An area is more likely to improve long
term if its residents are happy and think it is a great place
to live.  Granted, a new baseball park is only a small part
of this kind of thing, and it may not be a reasonable thing
to build right now. Though I'd love to see them do it. Three
Rivers is a fine football stadium but an awful baseball stadium.

To repeat my proposal of a few months ago: let's rip down the 
Pitt Law school and replace it with a nice ball field with
ivy covered walls,  all the seats close in, a nice 
old-fashioned scoreboard in left, etc.  Maybe we can even
name it after one of the nearby streets: how about
Forbes Field?

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Alas, Pirates errata
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:46:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1bkvt5INN4vm
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Due to a faulty News service proper attributions were not made in my last  
post. (which also got posted twice somehow)

In reply to <15OCT92.15303095@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
In article <1450.2add6bd0@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com  
writes:

   Since you brought it up......... :-)
 
   I was thinking about the ole "best team is the winning team" arguments.
   Think about how the "best" team was't determined until...
      1) Sid Breams shoe size was determined
      2) LaValliere's arm length was measured
      3) Bonds choked on that throw home (couldn't get it 3 feet closer)
      4) Jay Bell's defensive positioning was off (note: my two year old
         kept me from seeing if Cabrerra's (sp?) hit was a grounder or a
         line drive.  IF line drive, THEN substitute #4 with #4a.
      4a) Jay bell couldn't jump high enough

The Belinda stuff was mine.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
prediction:Pirates over the Jays in 6. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
From: alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu (Mike Swiston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eric Show (was Re: john birch society)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:02:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs1.alchemy.719179358
Organization: salt of the earth in open wounds.

jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean) writes:

% > no, i don't know what piece of baseball history eric show will always
% > be remembered for.  please enlighten me.

% I believe he is the pitcher who gave up Pete Rose's 4192nd hit, the
% record-breaker.

Cubs fans will always remember him for drilling
Andre Dawson in the face.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Who won the ALCS!?!
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:24:42 GMT


Jays win 9-2!!

In the last innning:

--Henke walks Weiss on full count
--Randy Ready hits for Blankenship: strikes out whiffin'
--Quirk goes to full count, flies to the wall: Carter makes a leaping
  catch!
--Lansford walks after a full count
--Sierra hits shallow fly to Maldonado

And all hell breaks loose, eh!!
From: valentin@midnight-blue.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:22:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <48397@shamash.cdc.com>, jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt) writes:

> I agree with the reasoning that Bonds can't choke because he's been
> in too many pressure situations before.  Like all professional 
> athletes, Bonds has had to deal with pressure all through his 
> carreer.  

As you allude to earlier in your post, I think that the best major-league 
calliber athletes, and particularly Bonds, haven't dealt with as much pressure
as, say, Junior Ortiz. 

At every level of competition, Bonds has been the cream of the crop. As 
a rookie center fielder for the Bucs, his Picture was on the cover of 
Street & Smith's with the caption "Can Barry Hammer the Bucs into Contention?"

I think that percieved stress can alter a person's normal abilities. But, 
we can't measure it in MLB, and even if we could it would be quite small. 

So, maybe Barry chokes. Maybe he doesn't. I'll still take him over just
about anyone else. 

Shawn
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 11:25:14 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the wet dreams of a yankee fan...
 <1992Oct6.131802.20421@cs.cornell.edu>

yes, i can't believe i forgot perez.  dump sanderson.

with george coming back, love him or hate him, the yankees will get at
least one of cone/bonds.  if bonds, keep gerald in the minors.  if both,
so much the better.
From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Deion
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:53:12 GMT
Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810

Well it's 1:45 PM EST Friday and no one has posted anything (from
what I can tell) about Wednesday night's incident between
Deion Sanders and Tim McCarver.  

For those who didn't see what happened, Deion, at the Braves
celebration in the clubhouse,  threw four buckets of ice
water at Tim McCarver, all of them aimed right at his head.
He was clearly upset about McCarver criticising his decision
to leave the Braves and play for the Falcons on Sunday.

I think that Deion acted quite childish and actually lost it
pretty good.  Supposedly, Bill White, the NL president will be 
reviewing the tapes today.  Me thinks Deion will be about
10K lighter in the wallet.  Good for him!

- Scott
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:05:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.185500.28485@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>>he had 34 homers, 127 walks, 36 doubles, 39 steals, and you'd have
>> him ride the bench???
>
>At .245, it would be more like 26 homers, 92 walks, 30 steals.
>Okay, you're right, he can stay in the lineup.

Why do you think his walks would go down so much?  Not all of those
127 are intentional.

>A catcher who hits .245 with some power is valuable player.
>An outfielder who hits .245 with some power can stay in the majors
>but might not start.

Depends on how you define "some" power.  In the NL alone:
Cincinnati -- O'Neil, 496 AB
Houston -- Gonzalez, 387 AB
Los Angeles -- Strawberry and Davis, 423 AB
Montreal gave 537 AB to Tim Wallach at first base (to cost them the pennant)
New York -- Boston, Bonilla, HoJo and others had over 1000 AB
Philadelphia -- Javier, Amaro, and Murphy, 770 AB
Pittsburgh -- Merced, 405 AB
St. Louis -- Perry & Guerrero, 289 AB, Gallaragga at 1B, 325 AB.
San Diego -- Clark, 496 AB
San Francisco -- too many to count

Atlanta's just about the only team in the NL that couldn't use a
Tenace-type hitter who plays LF-RF-1B.  And even for them, Tenace
would be an improvement at 1B.
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters)
Subject: Re: Who's winning game #6 - ALCS
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:46:29 GMT

Bottom 1st
    Joe Carter had a 2 run homer.
    Jays 2, As 0

Top 3rd
    Guzman struck out the side.

Bottom 3rd
    Maldonado followed Olerud's run-scoring ground rule double with
a 3-run homer.  LaRussa brought in Parret (sorry about spelling if
its wrong), to get the next batter for the 3rd out.
    Jays 6, As 0

Top 4th
    Guzman throws just 5 pitches to retire the As in order.  As don't
have a hit yet.

Top 5th
    Steinbach and Wilson got back to back singles for the As first hits.
Guzman got the next batter to popout, then struck out Blankenship.
R. Henderson looked at strike 3.  Fans erupted.

Bottom 5th
    After Maldonado's single put runners at 1st and 2nd, nobody out,
Gruber SAC bunted toward 3rd.  Borders SAC fly scored runner from
3rd.
    As   0  2 0
    Jays 7 11 0

Top 5th
    McGuire singled home Sierra from 3rd, breaking the shutout.  Guzman
got Steinbach looking for the 2nd out.  WP lets runners advance to 2nd
& 3rd.  Wilson struck out swinging.
    Jays 7, As 1

After 6 complete (Honeycutt now pitching for the As)
    Jays 7, As 1

Top 7th
    Announcers wonder how far Guzman can go with just 3 days rest.
He's still keeping most of his pitches down.  Fox, who reached on
a walk, steals second with 2 outs without a throw from Borders.
Alomar makes a nice play on a one-hopper to end the As 7th.

Bottom 7th
    McGuire, in catching a foul pop-up for the 3rd out, falls over
a photographer.

If you can't get to a TV, CBS radio affiliates have it - here in Denver
that's KYBG 1090AM.

Gregg
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 04:00:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper

In article <1992Oct14.220455.27642@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>In article <-7np#jg@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>>According to Neft & Cohen, in 1903, Barney Dreyfus, owner of the Pittsburgh
>>Pirates, and Henry Killilea, owner of the Boston Red Sox, agreed to match their
>>pennant winning clubs in a nine game series to determine the championship of
>>the world.  The moniker of "World" Series has stuck ever since.  No mention of
>>the New York World newspaper anywhere.
>
>I'm pretty sure the leftmost sign behind the left field wall at Three
>Rivers says "World Champions, 1901".  What's the explanation?

Again, from Neft & Cohen:

"While the upstart AL was playing its first major league schedule, the
established National League had finished its 25th campaign and was established
as the bastion of baseball in the United States."

(This is in 1901.)

At the time, the AL was just an upstart league, so the NL champions discounted
thw White Sox for any real competition.  Imagine, if you will, a situation
wherein the upstart USFL begins play, and therefore the NFL champion still
is able to claim the title of "World Champion".  In 1903, the National League
sat down and allowed the American League to operate independently, with both
sides agreeing to honor player contracts from clubs in the other league.  In
August 1903, Mssrs. Dreyfus and Killilea agreed to the aforementioned "world"
series.

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:05:37 -0400 
From: "Thomas J. Joyce" <tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NLCS Game 6


Again the Pirates show why they were leaders in run production this past
season. The second inning reminded me of the 19-2 dismantling of the Mets
about 3 weeks ago that I saw. 

Why did Cox let Glavine get shelled like that? Did he think it would
build character or something like that? Ha.

The Braves infield needs to go back to fundamentals school. The play
with King sliding into third wasn't even a play at all. They should
have gone for the easy out. Said it before and will say it again,
Pittsburgh is a better club defensively.

I guess Cox threw in the towel early; batting Liebrandt showed this.

RE: Knuckleball. You can watch it all you want. You can take batting
practice for 2 hours off of a future hall of fame kuckler, but it
doesn't mean jack poop. Knuckleballs dance all over the place;
Seeing them <> being able to hit them.  Fact.

I have one word to say in summary of the Atlanta fans last night: GONE.
You folks should *really* be ashamed. Oh I forgot, I bet they wanted
to run home and catch the re-run of the VP debates on C-Span. That's it.

After all the abuse dished out last year and this year about "Pittsburgh
can't sell out game 7, blah blah blah.". What's Atlanta do? They take
off in droves in the 4th inning.  I went to game 6 last year here in
Pittsburgh. Granted, it was close. Still, I had no thoughts of leaving.

RE: Three Rivers Outfield fans. By the way, the League (not the Pirates)
opened up the *entire* stadium to drinking. Sure, you'll get some drunks.
But what's wrong with saying "Justice you suck!"? I don't condone
screaming "f-!" this and "f-!" that. Its alright to be abusive as
long as you keep it clean.

RE: CHOP THIS. This sums up the attitude Pirate fans have on that
chant you folks stole from Florida State. So, CHOP THIS!

RE: Uncle Willie in Atlanta. I didn't know that Foster Brooks got 
a new job.

Drabek has his work cut out for him. There is one last demon to
exorcise: his name is John Smoltz. He's not invincible. It will
be a nailbiter.

One last note: October 13th is a great day in Pirate history, so
the Buccos had to win last night. October 13th was the day in 1960
that Game 7 took place. The day of Maz's homer and "the hit that
closed the town".

Let's go Bucs!

tom j.
From: es4k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric M. Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: PIRATES '92
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:27:39 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Braves World Champs in 1992!!!!
    NOT!!!!!!!  NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!

Pirates World Champs in 1992!!!!
  EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:05:55 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Morris + Jays - CRYBABIES!

  So the Toronto Blue Jays are upset because of the Eck's pump of the fist
after fanning Sparague in Game 4.  What hypocritical cry babies!  Was it
Roberto Alomar who threw his hands up in a touchdown celebration after homering
off of Eck?  Am I correct in remembering that Jack Morris NEVER was emotional
on the mound?  Eck showing emotion on the mound is comforting.  I hate stoic
players.  Since Eck has a history of doing what he did, I think the Jays are
over reacting.  Morris should be more concerned over his 6.00+ ERA in this
series.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Jays Buy Flag
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:10:24 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I don't understand, in what sense did the Jays buy Cone?  But you
did leave Alfredo Griffin and Maksudian off of the list.  What would
they have done without them?  In one sense they did buy Gruber and Lee--in
the same sense they were willing to sell Guzman 2 years ago for $50,000!
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: How do I love Gruber, let me count the ways!
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 19:09:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: Gruber, game #2

In article <1992Oct9.050129.11061@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> bazz@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Denis R. Bazinet) writes:
>
>I don't post very to this group very often because I have unfounded opinions
>about the game and usually keep them to myself... until I get a chance to 
>prove them.
>
>A couple of weeks ago, I read an article about how Gruber may hurt the Jays by
>simply being on the roster for the ALCS.  Gruber had a few freak accidents and
>did not recover easily.  So, people, like the A's, wrote him off at the plate.
>Well, game two should keep those people quiet for a while!
>
>Gruber, in game#2: 2-RUN HOMER and DOUBLE and SCORED A RUN

OK, you win.  He's almost as good as Mickey Hatcher.


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball