HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fountain, CG Fonts
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:02:37 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0il2@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>In a message dated Sun 23 Aug 92  2:07, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, I can't see much differences. Ever used Fountain to install a
>>CG font ?
>
> DD> And what, may I ask, does CG stand for?
>
>You DO have WB 2.04, don't you?
>
>CG stands for CompuGraphic. It is the CompuGraphic Intellifont outline font
>scheme that is used by AmigaDOS. Fountain is the program included with
>WB2.04 that manages these fonts. You can install or remove outline fonts
>from your system, and define prefab or pre-defined pointsizes for these
>fonts for older applications that do not use the new font scheme yet.
>

Um, I've got WB 2.04...  If it hadn't been for a few mentions on the
net, I wouldn't know what fountain was, or even that it existed.  The
documentation (if there is any) doesn't exactly leap out of the book
into your head.

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:39:42 GMT

In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org> scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:
>>Figures we'd get hung up on something like this. :)
>>Here's my opinion:
>>Faces is an obscure file format...
>>GIF is a very general file format [but] IMO, not the "best" way to do things.
>>JPEG pictures are small and 24-bit.  [Recommends it.]
>
>	I'd still vote for IFF.  There's an IFF viewer supplied with
>AmigaOS 2.04, and I'd bet that over 90% of the Amiga community has an
>IFF viewer anyway (even if it's Deluxe Paint).
>
>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>Faces viewer.

I have the source code for 2 or 3 IFF viewers for MS-DOS and the results on
a VGA display are as good as a flicker-fixed Amiga.  Also, the SOX program
will convert IFF sounfiles to a SoundBlaster format, so it should be no
problem.  I've volounteered to use ADPro, ImageMaster, and other utilities
I have at my disposal at work to do the conversions, but in true .advocacy
tradition a flamewar has begun over the formats.  :-)

>                                                        Dan
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:51:16 GMT

In article <Yk5Ar*LT0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.042013.16635@kas.helios.mn.org>, Rob Healey writes:
>
>> 	The 3000T '040 ad in byte this month was sad because it showed
>> 	how far behind the times Amiga really is. On one page you
>> 	had the 3000T '040 for $5998.00. 5 pages later you have a DELL
>> 	33Mhz 486 system that can do more for $2699.00. It's sad really
>
>I think that the 040 is faster than the 486.  What do you mean by "do more?"

More apps, more expansion boards, more colors, more pixels, more HD, 
more RAM, more...

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:58:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) writes:
>>
>> AmigaOS is a real-time OS?  Since when?  What real-time features does it
>> have that OS/2 does not?
>
>Since day 1.  "What real time features does it have" is a
>semi-nonsequiter.  Something is either real-time or it isn't.
>

Oh, I see.  It's that special something -- something intangible and
unfathomable to most human beings -- that makes the AmigaOS what it is.
Give me a break.  If you're going to make a claim, back it up with some
facts.

This reminds me of the old Macintosh ads that used to say, "The Macintosh is
not just another computer; it was designed from the chip up to be different
from others and graphical in nature."  Yeah right.  Is that why I can run
Mac software on an Atari ST, the ultimate in bare bones vanilla hardware?

>
>Do you understand what makes a realtime OS
>different? I'm not trying to be insulting, it's just that many people
>don't understand what realtime means or why you'd want it.
>

OK, what *does* it mean?  And while you're at it, please list some reasons
why OS/2 is less real-time than AmigaOS.

>
>Ty Sarna				           tsarna@endicor.com
>
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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 09:50:26 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>I hate getting involved in these flame wars, but I have to make one point about
>the Amiga's video display. 

><BTW: could be PLEASE cool off on the quoting? 4,5 levels is excessive...>

>In his last message, Charles knocks the Amiga for having an interlaced video
>display. No, Charles, this is NOT a sign of poor quality. First off, many 
>real-world PC displays are interlaced. Just because YOURS isn't doesn't mean

I think you're wrong on that one.  Standard VGA use 31.5 KHz horizontal
syncing frequency and 60 Hz vertical non-interlaced refresh.  And I don't
think EGA and CGA is interlaced either.

But let's face it -- interlaced video is bad for the eyes, the fact that it
facilitates video work is irrelevant.

>nobody in the PC market had ever heard of interlacing. Secondly, the fact that 

Some video cards do have interlaced video modes, mostly at high resolution
like 1024x768, but they look so bad no one uses them.

>Commodore included interlacing on their display simply indicates the different
>focus of the Amiga line - toward video. ALL vieo displays, including the one on
>every TV in your house, is interlaced. There's nothing WRONG with interlacing, 

No, there's nothing wrong with a interlaced display -- unless you have to
look at it in close range for long periods of time, then there's a problem.

>and it is NOT a "low-end" alternative to a steady display. It has MANY, MANY
>applications in the real world, at levels the IBM machines cannot touch. 

Yes, the video aspect, but how many use their computers for video?

>Furthermore, nobody has ever "gone blind" (literally or figuratively) from
>looking at an interlaced screen. After a couple of days using one, you hardly
>notice it at all. Looking at ANY computer screen, especially one on which there

Believe me, the flickering is very noticable, I've looked at an interlaced
PAL display and I will go blind if I have to look at it for long periods of
time.

Idealy, interlaced video mode should only be used when doing video work,
all other times it'll just put unnecessary strains on the eyes.

-- Nan
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From: Mike.Uhing@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mike Uhing)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.062452.1468@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   Yes, it's kind of embarassing.  I often see poor English on Usenet, but it
>is usually from international readers who do not know English very well, but 
>this does not really mean that they are in any way lacking in intelligence
>because I am positive that I would sound a million times worse if I were
>forced to get around in a language that was not my native tongue! :-)  However,
>this Jeff Young guy is most likely an American, probably born and raised here,
>which makes me embarassed to think of what the international readers must be
>thinking about an American who cannot even speak his own language.
>
No, actually, Mr. Young does not have the writing style of a poorly skilled
American.  The mistakes are not typical of what I have seen, at least.
His style is more in the vein of a caricaturized foreigner.  It also seems
somewhat deliberate.  I would guess that Mr. Young is actually an assumed
identity, probably of an otherwise respectable (if only tenuously so)
regular amiga.advocacy contributor. 
Given the guys specmania, constant magazine referals, edge-of-stridency
attitude, the subtle ambiguity in regards to which system he actually
supports (he seems interested in whether commodore will have something to
challenge atari with), as well as his knowledge of CBM/Atari stuff and
history, and etc... I have formed my own opinion of who Mr. Young actually
is.  In any case, he is providing needed comic relief to this newsgroup...

     Mike

>
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From: devasoft@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 09:51:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug6.153244.11787@kas.helios.mn.org>
  <1992Aug8.114151.3315@desire.wright.edu>
  <1992Aug8.234743.6187@newshost.unh.edu> <al158305.714008749@academ01>
  <joe.715241690@milton> <jbickers.0ebi@templar.actrix.gen.nz>
  <65058@cup.portal.com>

>>>       Demos - demos on a PC? yes.. more Amiga-ites have bought PCs
>>> in Europe and are creating demos very close to what the Amiga can do, some
>>> even are better. Once the PC gets its video bus standard (local bus),

>>    Geez, what a pack of blatant lies.

>>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***

>John, (and anyone else who's interested) check out the "UNREAL" demo for 
>the PC.  This is a truly great demo for the PC which looks and sounds as  
>good as any Amiga demo.  

>The demo is 2.3 Megs in size and requires a 386 with 600K to run.  (looks 
>and sounds best on a *SoundBlaster* equipped 486 machine though.)  You can 
>find UNREAL on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the pub/msdos_uploads directory.  The 
>name of the file is Unreal.zip.

>David Alves ................ Devasoft ............. devasoft@cup.portal.com


Right after I posted the above location for UNREAL.ZIP, I was informed
that it was no longer at wuarchive.wustl.edu.

I did find it at a couple other sites however:
nic.funet.fi      in the    pub/msdos/games/demos  directory
phoenix.oulu.fi   in the    pub/incoming           directory

Have fun. :-)

David Alves ................ Devasoft ............. devasoft@cup.portal.com
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Products
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:36:43 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

Quoted from an article in "Club Amiga":
==========================================================================

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMODORE!!!
 
Commodore Canada has officially announced a number of products.
 
- Hard Drive for CDTV expansion slot (presumably 2.5" IDE ala A600)
 
- DCTV upgrade card for CDTV (for CDTV video slot)
 
- Amiga 4000 an official product!!!  To be shown to the public at WOC
Pasadena on September 12!  It ***WILL*** have the AA ChipSet!  Finally the
speculation is about to end!!
 
- AA ChipSet (as said above) officially announced.
 
- 600HD officially announced and SHIPPING with *40* meg drive, not the 20
meg the European versions have.  It will retail for $799 Suggested Canadian
Retail, with street price likely to be lower in most centres (definitely so
if the units start selling in quanitity).
 
- A570 officially announced.  No word on whether it will have internal RAM
and HD expansion like the UK final-revision vvrsion does (which was added
at the last minute).  Officially ready to ship any time now.
 
- A3000T/040.  Tower A3000 with '040 on a card in the CPU slot, 5 megs of
RAM, and a 200 meg HD.  The '030 and '882 slots are empty.  I couldn't find
out pricing, ther than to get an official comment that it would be "much
better" than adding an '040 card to a normal A3000T.
 
The A4000 and new CDTV add-ons to ship "this quarter" (read what you like
into that), but I was told that it will **DEFINITELY** ship before the end
of the year, come hell or high water.  If you have the dosh sitting in the
bank, you WILL be able to have a AA ChipSet equipped A4000 before
Christmas.  These announcements were made at a local show called the
Multimedia Event (hosted by Commodore and a local dealer).  I had the scoop
on all of them a few days before the show, though I can't reveal my source.
And I have the scoop on one other (only slightly less official).
AmigaVision 3.0 Professional!  As far as I can discern, this was not an
error on my source's part though I'm trying to validate that he didn't mean
to say 2.0.  Possibly this means there will be an AmigaVision 2.0
'consumer' release.  Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Steven Hurdle
2735 Scafe rd.
Victoria BC
Canada
V9B-3W6
 
============================================================================


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Sep3.164943.1097@msus1.msus.edu> <4tyypn@rpi.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:43:15 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Sep 92 03:36:26 GMT, danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) said:


danaf> Whoops - sorry about that Denise thing, that was just a slip of
danaf> the fingers. The Amiga sound chip is, of course, Paula. (These
danaf> cutesy names can get annoying...)

danaf> As for "really" knowing what's going on in Commodore, I never claimed to be an
danaf> official source for anythin. I never signed a NDA, hell, I never MET anyone that
danaf> works for Comodore in the flesh! I prefaced the entire message as what "I think"
danaf> is coming out in September... that's what the survey was! It was not a factual
danaf> statement of any kind.

Correct.  It is only a collection of opinion of the people who read
this group and should not be taken as more than that.  I base the idea
that more people will hear the truth than any single false rumor. So
even though no two people have submitted the same configuration,
certain trends repeat.

Rumors are also rather geographical.  The Europeans are expecting a
much more capable machine than the North Americans.  The Australians
are in between but skeptical.

danaf>  However, from what I HAVE seem of the new machines, 
danaf> nothing's ready. The new 3.0 O/S is closest, we may see that this year.

Funny.  3.0 is supposed to support the AA graphics modes.  How can the
software be ready before the hardware?

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:02:46 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>In article <u894776.714888324@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>
>>>If the AA chipset is expensive, C= will be trying to reduce prices of
>>>other components. 
>>
>>Frankly from what I have read, I don't see how the AA chipset can be
>>particularly expensive at all.  From most `information' posted, it
>>would seem that it consists of two new chips.  And from the sounds of
>>the performance - most likely 1.6 micron cmos, would be used.  Also it
>>doesnt sound like much development would have been required for the chips -
>>except obviously a fair amount of work to retain the ECS register mode.  

>Since the original chips were in NMOS, I imagine it was quite a bit
>of work to move to CMOS, hence the huge delay.  Marc has mentioned that
	Well thats one reason why they could have stayed away from
changing paula [i imagine DACs are harder in CMOS], but when the
reimplemented everything - its hard to believe they have added so little.
Also small companies such as acorn, have had no trouble making CMOS
chips with reasonable DACs on - heck!, on my archimedes, I can even
plug in a new VIDC chip - because the video DACs are on the chip.  On
my amiga 1000, the graphics chip has r0-r3,b0-b3,g0-g3 output pins, making
a simple drop-in-and-go replacement for higher precision DACs a lot harder.

>C= needed to build a new plant especially for these chips too, but
>I don't know his sources.

	Yeah I heard something about this, why can't CBM just use
a silicon foundary/factory such as Orbit or VLSI, like everyone else?

>I doubt the chips themselves would be too expensive to produce, but
>C= will be trying to recoup what little R&D they've spent developing
>them.
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 020 vs 030
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:17:48 GMT

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.235421.22662@cheshire.oxy.edu>, leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>> EC030 costs $5 more than '020... that points up one major advantage... as
>> long as the CPU is socketed, the machine is upgradeable at a later point.

>	'020 and '030 require a different socket.  An upgrade will require
>	an adapter board.  It could be relatively cheap, but not a simply
>	remove one chip and put in another.

   I don't think he was talking about replacing the 020 with an EC030,
but rather replacing the EC030 with a full 030. The comparison was 
between having a system built with an 020 or an EC030, and that the EC030
is only 5 bux more than an 020.

   I woulf much more prefer a system built around an EC030, there's no
reason to build systems with the 020 anymore, specially since the cost
of adding an external MMU (socket, traces, bigger board, etc) would
exceed the cost of designing an 030 board from the start, much more
than $5 IMO.

-Gus
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:33:44 GMT

Yawn.

-- 
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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards? (was: 80,000,000 pc's)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 15:01:51 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

> == fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>> == richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>>> == skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>>>Tandy sucks nearly as badly as Atari.  BTW, the 16-bit slot argument is
>>>stupid as there are only a couple of Zorro III boards available.  ISA 

>Not really a stupid argument.  As long as the popular clones continue to sell
>even their high-end systems (meaning systems with 386, 486) with ISA buses,
>ISA will continue to remain the standard.  Now how is this any worse than Zorro
>II continuing to prosper?  EISA is the problem, because put a single ISA card on
>that bus and you've just reduced EISA to ISA.

What exactly do you mean by "reduced EISA to ISA"?  Care to elaborate on
that?

[...]
>a high performance gain.  So ideally, your high end system would have a couple
>of 32-bit cards and the rest 16-bit.  This scheme would work sucessfully for
>an Amiga like the A3000, but not for a PC clone mixing EISA and ISA cards.

Are you saying as soon as you put an ISA card on an EISA bus, the bus
bandwidth would somehow fall down to ISA 4MB/s?  What is your basis for
this claim?

>                                   I suppose if you have local bus along with
>ISA, that would be good enough for the future, but the best thing would be to
>come up with a 32-bit standard bus which can take ISA cards without being slowed
>down.

All evidence suggests there's no such slow down, what is the purpose of
EISA and expensive EISA cards if you are still limited by the lowest 
common denominator?  Those people buying EISA systems must be really
stupid.

>down.  Btw, is there an attempt to do something like this?  Or is there something
>about ISA which would make this impossible?  So yes, a high end system should
>have some sort of 32-bit bus on it that should also accept cheaper 16-bit cards
>without a performance hit.

The only limiting factors I think ISA card place on EISA is the 8.33 MHz
speed for compatibility, also ISA cards can't share interrupts.

-- Nan
From: lwahl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Lynne K Wahl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:47:45 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hey! There is a new ad spotted in the August 24 issue of Info World,
page 20.  This one doesn't seem to have done any normal bad 
assumptions (listing BIG price) and pushes the good keywords Multimedia,
animation, postscript, Gold Service, presentation system, 
PC compatable, Macintosh, and Novell (tm).  It still has the funny
looking guy in it, but I kind of like him.

Maybe we will finally see C= pushing into some new sales.  It looks
like they are on the right track.  KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK COMMODORE!!
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