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From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: two little emacs questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:20:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ptolemy.ETHANB.92Jul22112005
Organization: U. of Washington
To: apollo@ecf.toronto.edu (Vince Pugliese)

In article <BrsxzH.GzE@ecf.toronto.edu> apollo@ecf.toronto.edu (Vince Pugliese) writes:

   1) how do you go to the end of a paragraph? is there
   such a control sequence?

forward-paragraph	      ESC ]
  Function: Move forward to end of paragraph.  With arg, do it arg times.

I had forgotten this key myself, but I found it with the command-apropos
command (which is bound to C-H a).

   2) can one delete a character and leave the space there
   originally occupied by the deleted character??

DEL will do this in picture mode.  Picture mode is well described in
Info.
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-- Ethan (ethanb@u.washington.edu)
From: ryanr@beethoven.beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: deleted articles in gnus
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:57:03 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Colorado State University

Hi,

Is there any way to display the headers of deleted articles in gnus
and retrieve the ones you want?

Thanks,
Richard.
From: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Define fnt for `replace next word'
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:02:59 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory


Hi,

	I would like to define a function to replace the next string
with the following, say until I hit the ESC key. A function somewhat
similar to that in vi where you can replace the `next sting' with
whatever you're going to type in.

Thanks

- Hari
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:06:33 -0400 
From: "Jonathan R. Ferro" <jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 2 Elisp questions

In the process of writing some functions that did some file munching I
wanted to find out if a file had been loaded into an emacs buffer or
not and came up with this doozy:

  (let* ((expanded-name (expand-file-name file))
         (already-found
          ;; ARGH!  Can't apply "or" over truth-values because it's a
          ;; special form.  Have to convert back and forth from tv's
          ;; to ints so "logior" can be used.  Grrn.
          (= 1 (apply 'logior
                      (mapcar '(lambda (buf)
                                 (if (string-equal (buffer-file-name buf)
                                                   expanded-name)
                                     1 0))                          
                              (buffer-list))))))
    ...

1. Is there a better way to find out if a file is being visited?
   Did I miss a function in the manual?
   Should I consider "remember length of (buffer-list), find the file, 
	see if length changed"?

2. Is there REALLY no built-in function that you can apply to a list of
   t's and nil's to get their collective AND or OR?  I eventually broke
   down and wrote my own, but this is surprising.

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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: More intelligent default mode selection?
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:28:34 GMT

I spend most of my time editing Perl code. Unless I am writing a library, my
files do not have a suffix, since they are destined to be executable scripts.
My default editing mode is Text, over-ridden by the value of auto-mode-alist.
I would like to be able to have an alternate default mode, say, on a per-
directory basis. I would even agree to a file such as ".default_mode" or some
such. Is there some way I can patch in before the find-file routine actually
reads the file and creates the buffer? Or should I write a wrapper function to
appear to behave like find-file, but determines the directory of the requested
file, reads the mode, passes the name to find-file, then switches to that mode?
I can do that, but I am hoping for a cleaner solution.

Randy
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From: sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: ^M's in shell mode
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:51:16 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: dmm0t@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU's message of 20 Jul 92 02:41:17 GMT


  Whenever I go into shell mode from GNU emacs 18.58, I get ^M's at the
  beginning of each line.  I remember a while back someone explaining
  how to get rid of these, but I forget how to do it.  BTW, I'm using
  cmushell, not the default shell-mode.

Probably you need to turn off `onlcr'.  Try typing
	stty -onlcr
and see if that helps.  If it does, try putting it in your
.emacs_csh file if you're running csh or tcsh.


Richard
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From: smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: Save *scratch* on exit (Was Re: #XXX# file remains ...)
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Organization: Australian National University
	<NICKEL.92Jul26152853@desaster.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<DODD.92Jul27083627@mycenae.cchem>
Distribution: gnu
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:14:24


 > >>>>>(Juergen Nickelsen) said:
 > > On a related issue, I think someone a while back asked how one can
 > > get emacs to ask the user about saving *scratch* buffers when
 > > exiting emacs.

 >   Juergen> Put the following into your ~/.emacs:

 >   Juergen> (save-excursion
 >   Juergen>   (set-buffer "*scratch*")
 >   Juergen>   (setq buffer-file-name "~/*scratch*"))

 > This seems to work great for *scratch* but is there a way to set it up for all
 > buffers not attached to files?

Yes. Just issue the following command (in your .emacs for example)

	(set-default 'buffer-offer-save t)

Consult the documentation of 'buffer-offer-save.

Cheers,
	Michael
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From: moore@src.bae.co.UK (Chris Moore)
Subject: emacs fonts
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:31:29 GMT


maxn@geriatrix.cs.uoregon.edu (Max Napolitano) said:

> I am in search of a good font to use for emacs.  The default font used 
> on our system is very small.  Hence I would like to know what other
> people use as their emacs font, assuming theirs is not the default.

So would I.  I'm not happy with the fonts I found so far.  There are lots
of fonts listed by xlsfonts which don't work with emacs because they are
proportionally spaced.  My current favourite fixed width fonts are (in
order of increasing size):

"9x15bold"
"10x20"
"-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-1"
"12x24"
"lucidasanstypewriter-bold-24"

Incidentally, it appears that the "lucidasanstypewriter-bold-24" font is
bigger when I run OpenWindows 3 than when I run a plain X11R5 server.
Shouldn't it be the case that fonts with the same name are the same font?

Chris.
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From: schoen@ghost.dsi.unimi.it
Subject: Demacs and Mouse??
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:07:03 GMT

How can I use a mouse (e.g.: trackman) inside demacs? I.E., which .el do
I have to load?

Also, how it is possible to change screen colors in demacs?
thank you,

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From: kyle@rodan.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: 2 Elisp questions
Date: 30 Jul 1992 11:02:23 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

"Jonathan R. Ferro" <jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 > 1. Is there a better way to find out if a file is being visited?
 >    Did I miss a function in the manual?

Maybe get-file-buffer?

get-file-buffer:
Return the buffer visiting file FILENAME (a string).
If there is no such buffer, nil is returned.
From: dodd@mycenae.cchem (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: How does one read a compressed file into a buffer?
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:20:35
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, UC Berkeley, CA, USA
	<1992Jul31.024250.20367@u.washington.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu's message of Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:42:50 GMT


>>>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:42:50 GMT, chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan
>>>>> "infamous" Lee) said:

  Chuan> In article <BRUNNOCK.92Jul30164412@e40-008-7.mit.edu>
  Chuan> brunnock@athena.mit.edu (Sean Brunnock) writes:
>
>Hello. I seem to recall that there was a command to open
>compressed files and read them into a buffer in uncompressed
>form.
>

  Chuan> You need a file called uncompress.el to do the trick.  I am
  Chuan> emailing that file to you.  Since uncompress is not loaded
  Chuan> initially, you have load it in your .emacs file.

An alternative:

	       GNU Emacs Lisp Code Directory Apropos
"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

crypt		      90-01-09
     Kyle Jones, <kyle@wendy-fate.uu.net>
     ~/misc/crypt.el.Z
     Handle crypt/compress/compact files.

I think it works much better than [un]compress.el (which b.t.w comes with
18.58)

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From: stevew@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Stephen M. Wynne)
Subject: GNU Emacs for a DYNIX/ptx Sequent?
Organization: /home/users/stevew/.organization
Distribution: gnu.emacs.help
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:07:32 GMT

Are there s/m descriptions out there for compiling GNU Emacs for a
DYNIX/ptx Sequent?

Thanks
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From: gs4t@virginia.edu (Gnanasekaran  Swaminathan)
Subject: Re: TAB key in (C Fill) mode
Reply-To: gs4t@virginia.edu (Gnanasekaran  Swaminathan)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:06:40 GMT

abz@controls.ccd.harris.com (Andrew B. Ziffer) writes:
> I am sick of typing ctrl-Q TAB to get a simple tab in my C code every time
> I want to indent something.  How can I change this so the TAB key alone will
> print a single TAB in (C Fill) mode.

Add the following line to your .emacs file.

(setq indent-tabs-mode     t)

If you also need the tab to be of width 8 characters,
then add the following line also to your .emacs file

(setq default-tab-width    8)

-Sekar
From: dodd@mycenae.cchem (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: removing leading tabs in supercite
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, UC Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: ryanr@beethoven.beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU's message of 27 Jul 92 02:47:07 GMT


>>>>> On 27 Jul 92 02:47:07 GMT, ryanr@beethoven.beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU
>>>>> (richard ryan) said:

  richard> I guess right about now it's pretty obvious that I'm a new emacs
  richard> user, but I just found Supercite and was wondering if anyone could
  richard> tell me how to remove the leading tab you get get in Supercite
  richard> without leaving the non-nested citation.  Is it OK if I post your
  richard> answer?

(setq sc-citation-leader "  ")
From: smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: Save *scratch* on exit (Was Re: #XXX# file remains ...)
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Organization: Australian National University
	<NICKEL.92Jul26152853@desaster.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<DODD.92Jul27083627@mycenae.cchem>
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:31:03


 > >>>>>(Juergen Nickelsen) said:
 > > On a related issue, I think someone a while back asked how one can
 > > get emacs to ask the user about saving *scratch* buffers when
 > > exiting emacs.

 >   Juergen> Put the following into your ~/.emacs:

 >   Juergen> (save-excursion
 >   Juergen>   (set-buffer "*scratch*")
 >   Juergen>   (setq buffer-file-name "~/*scratch*"))

 > This seems to work great for *scratch* but is there a way to set it up for all
 > buffers not attached to files?

Yes. Just issue the following command (in your .emacs for example)

	(set-default 'buffer-offer-save t)

Consult the documentation of 'buffer-offer-save.

Cheers,
	Michael
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From: gene@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Gene De Lisa)
Subject: need help formatting libg++.info
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:31:46 GMT


Perhaps a dumb question:
I'd like to install the gnu g++ library info files.
When I visit the texinfo file then run texinfo-format-buffer
it complains about 'setfilename' or something like that
and  exits. If i put the resulting file in the emacs/info directory
(and change dir) I can get the TOC but cannot visit any nodes.
suggestions? I notice that the std info files with emacs are formatted
with 'Makeinfo'. What is that and is that preferred? (I dont have tex here)

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From: dougm@cns.caltech.edu (Doug McNaught)
Subject: vt220/320 lossage
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:44:00 GMT


Hi, 
  I'm using 18.51.9 (yeah, it's old but it came with the system) on a
DECstation 5000. Usually I use X and everything's hunky-dory, but
there do occur times when I have to use one of the large number of VT
terminals around the lab. When I look at term/vt200.el (which also
serves as a term file for 220/300/320) it looks like things are set up
nicely to use the various function keys (not only the keypad but the
Fn keys and the Find, Select etc) in the canonical way. They don't
work, and the thing that really bugs me is that F11, which according
to the elisp file should act like <esc>, doesn't. So, I either have to
use \C-[, which takes two hands, or put the terminal into vt100 mode
(where F11 sends a real <esc>) and live with the lossage when I have a
VMS session and an Ultrix at the same time (which I do a lot). I've
looked at the elisp, fooled with quoted-insert, compared the results
to the actual keymap loaded by the elisp file, and can see no reason
why this isn't working. So after the rambling description, here are my
questions:

  1) Is this a known problem with emacs of this vintage?

  2) Is someone using a later version and vt320 with working function keys?

  3) Where would I start trying to find out what's wrong?

  I'd really like to get a "yes" to number 2, since then I can maybe
persuade my boss to let me install lucid or at least 18.58... Thanks
for any help.

-doug

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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: ?s about emulating vi's z & z- commands ; setting the default mode
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:01:28 GMT

In article <154r6kINN93i@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.212141.22272@csus.edu> vpcsc4@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Emmett McLean) writes:
>>Also, I would like to have emacs automatically go into shell
>>mode when emacs is invoked.  I placed the following instruction
>>in my .emacs file :
>>
>>(setq default-major-mode 'shell-mode )
>>
>>but when I invoke emacs I am in lisp-interaction-mode.
>
>Default-major-mode is used for new buffers that are not put in a specific
>mode.  The *scratch* buffer is intended for executing elisp, so it is
>forced into lisp-interaction-mode.
>
>Since the right way to start editing a new file is to use C-x C-f to
>specify the file name, the mode of *scratch* shouldn't matter too much.
>When C-x C-f creates the new buffer, it will get the default mode you
>specified.

If Emmett really wants to automatically start up an interactive shell,
he could put something like this at the end of his .emacs:

(if (and (not noninteractive)
	 (y-or-n-p "Start an interactive shell? "))
    (shell))
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From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas)
Subject: previous-position ?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Distribution: gnu
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:37:56 GMT

Is there a function that will move the point to the previous position
in the way '^Q^P' did in Wordstar?

how about some elisp to do it?

rodrigo_vanegas@brown.edu
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From: joe@MsElectron.com (Joe Kelsey)
Subject: Linking Emacs on ESIX System V 4.0.4 with X11R4 (Motif)
Summary: Cannot run xemacs (XIO error 14 (bad address))
Keywords: ESIX SVR4 s-esix5r4.h 
Organization: Ms. Electron, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:23:54 GMT

I just installed ESIX System V Release 4.0.4 with the X11 Motif server.  I set
up Emacs-18.58 config to use the standard s-esix5r4.h and m-intel386.h files.
I've gone through several different permutations of the library listings in
the s-esix5r4.h #define's with no luck.  I can execute the resulting xemacs
with the -nw option and it runs.  However, when I try to run it as an X
application I get an XIO error 14 (bad address).  I've tried setting the
DISPLAY variable to either unix:0 or `hostname`:0 with no difference in
results.  Has anyone else done this?  Can anyone explain why I have to list
the -lsocket and -lc libraries *before* the -lX11 library?

/Joe

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From: ericdh@cray.com (Eric D. Hendrickson)
Subject: How to use emacsclient??
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:30:08 CDT

Hello, I use Emacs in an X11 environment, and I understand you can use
something called emacsclient as your default editor (by setting EDITOR and
VISUAL to emacsclient) which will direct the file to be edited to your
already running emacs window.  Can someone tell me how to set this up?
I get connect: Connection refused from emacsclient.

I am running SunOS 4.1.1, and Emacs 18.55.

Thanks!
                --eric
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From: brianw@iti.org (Brian Wallis)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Save *scratch* on exit (Was Re: #XXX# file remains ...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:42:46 GMT
Distribution: gnu

dodd@mycenae.cchem (Lawrence R. Dodd) writes:

>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:28:53 GMT, nickel@cs.tu-berlin.DE (Juergen Nickelsen) said:

>> On a related issue, I think someone a while back asked how one can
>> get emacs to ask the user about saving *scratch* buffers when
>> exiting emacs.  Right now standard emacs just wipes them is there a
>> way to get it to attach some importance to *scratch* buffers?  Just
>> a simple "save buffer to disk?" would be nice.

>  Juergen> Put the following into your ~/.emacs:

>  Juergen> (save-excursion
>  Juergen>   (set-buffer "*scratch*")
>  Juergen>   (setq buffer-file-name "~/*scratch*"))

>This seems to work great for *scratch* but is there a way to set it up for all
>buffers not attached to files?

This elisp fragment will list the buffers that have files and the ones
that don't. Should be able to make a simple function to save the
un-filed ones from this. I suspect you don't really want to do that
though. There are a number that you would probably want to filter out
like " *Minibuf-0*" (note the space) and " *Completions"

(let ((blist (buffer-list)))
  (while (setq buf (car blist))
    (setq blist (cdr blist))
    (let ((bname (buffer-name buf))(name (buffer-file-name buf)))
      (if (not name)
	  (message "buffer %s has no file" bname)
        (message "buffer %s has a file %s" bname name)))
    (sleep-for 1)))

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From: apollo@ecf.toronto.edu (Vince Pugliese)
Subject: two little emacs questions
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:59:40 GMT

ok emacs gurus two quickies:

1) how do you go to the end of a paragraph? is there
such a control sequence?

2) can one delete a character and leave the space there
originally occupied by the deleted character??

thanks in advance.
.vp
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From: jls@ithaque.inria.fr (Jean-Luc Szpyrka)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,gnu.emacs.sources
Subject: maple mode
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: jls@sophia.inria.fr
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Organization: Inria Sophia Antipolis

Hi all,

Has someone written a Maple mode and do you know where I could get it ?

Thanks in advance.

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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Cursor appearing in buffer during interactive command
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:22:07 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

I have a command that goes through a buffer and deletes any line that contains
a specified pattern. I used it to delete lines marked with a debugging comment.
It has the option of being interactive, where it queries you prior to each
delete. When it does this, the cursor is in the minibuffer, at the end of the
query. I would like it to be in the buffer, at the point that the 
search-forward has it at, a la query-replace. I have not been able to glean
this from the documentation, although admittedly I have not had the time to
read the whole elisp manual front to back...

Randy
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