HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Berlet vs. Dallas Morning News  (was ...Stockdale & Racism)
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:47:56 GMT

This is in reply to b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice), who wrote:
:>Stockdale and the Rockford Institute
:> 
:>by Chip Berlet
:> 
:>Perot's choice for running mate, James Bond Stockdale, has a 
:>history of afilliations that raise questions concerning his 
:>sensitivity to issues of racial justice and sexism.
:> 
:>Stockdale served as the president of the Citadel, a southern 
:>military academy that gained noteriety for allowing racially-
:>based harassment of African-American cadets and for its policies 
:>discriminating against women.
:
:From the Dallas Morning News (31 Mar) 
:"Perot fills ticket with former POW":
:
:	...He briefly was president of the Citadel in
:	Charleston, S.C. But he left in less than a 
:	year when the board of directors frowned on
:	his efforts to control hazing.
:
:	
:>More troubling is Stockdale's current service on the Board of the 
:>Rockford Institute, a leading right-wing think that helped... 
: ^^^^^^^^
:
:Again from the same DMN article...
:
:	...Since then, he has been a senior fellow at
:	the Hoover Institution, a conservative think 
:            ^^^^^^
:	think tank at Stanford...

I will simply note that in the interdependent worlds of left-wing
and right-wing special-interest politics, it makes perfectly good
sense to sit on the board of the Rockford Institute while also
serving as a fellow of the Hoover Institution.  What you do is
live by the Bay and then fly out to Rockford four times a year
for board meetings (and promise to read _Chronicles_ every
month).

Wait a minute, I'll also add that Chip Berlet is quite well known
in left-wing journalism.  About the mainstreamest he gets is the
Chicago _Reader_.  And the Dallas Morning News is in fact very
thoroughly Republican and conservative, like Ross Perot (until
recently) and Stockdale.  But they certainly have a lot more at
stake, credibility-wise, than Berlet.  They may be a tad fawning
over Stockdale, but at least they would never accuse Jesse
Jackson of promoting an Afro-centric brand of black supremacy.
:
:>...Rockford promotes a Euro-centric brand of white supremacy, 
:>considers Jews to have brought an "alien" culture to the U.S., 
:>and is anti-immigrant. Stockdale's position on the board of the 
:>Rockford Institute is certain to raise questions about his own 
:>political beliefs in these matters, and at the very least shows 
:>an alarming lack of sensitivity to racial issues.
:
:James Stockdale has published many books and articles. So I suggest
:going straight to the source for some answers.
:

So does Stockdale, incidentally, being quite the avid reader
of Greek and Latin literature.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: Clinton in Moscow, why?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  7 Oct 1992 09:14 EST  

Yesterday Bill Clinton admitted that in Jan of 1970 he visited Moscow, USSR.
When asked why he maintained that he was there for sight seeing.  Yeah right,
lots of folks used to go sight seeing in Moscow in the middle of the russian
winter during the vietnam war.  In those days no one but state department
officials visited the soviet union.  So what was Clinton doing there?

Casey Hanlon
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: INFO SOUGHT: McClendon News Service
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:33:21 GMT
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


An acquaintance was telling me about seeing a Sarah McClendon 
interviewed on C-Span about October Surprise. She claimed to
have a bunch of documentation that is being ignored by the media.
Remember, this is all second hand and what this guy was telling 
me was very sketchy. Does anybody know anything about the 
McClendon News Service, out of Washington D.C.?

Thanks.
-- 
"In universities, it is forbidden     |  "Personally, my politics are so far
to teach nonsense. But the _history_  |  to the right, I consider Paul Revere
of nonsense -- that's scholarship!"   |  to be a pinko."
               -- Saul Lieberman      |                 -- Tom Grundner
From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Voting in Foreign Elections and US Citizenship
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:54:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA


My understanding is that any US citizen who votes in a foreign
election forfeits their US citizenship. I've known serveral folks
that are US citizens but vote in Israeli Elections. They claimed
the US has made an "exception" in the case of Israel. Have there been
any cases of folk loosing US citizenship because they voted in 
Israel?

Thanks
From: ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz not white supremacist
Keywords: Bo Gritz, white supremacist, anti-Semite
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Oct13.092805.19180@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen) writes...
>In article <12OCT199223495833@acad3.alaska.edu>, ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W) writes:
> 
>> 	Also, I would like to add something else I have discovered today.  I
>> called a friend that I know from my church today who informed me that Bo Gritz
>> is a member of our church, Mormon.  
> 
>Heard an interesting thing about Mormons, maybe someone who really knows
>can tell me more about it. It seems that the mormons have the largest
>records on humans in the world. It also seems that all people should be
>gfiven an equal chance to become mormon,  including the deceased. To
>accomplish this, any1 who is a mormon can put any1 else up for becoming one,
>the theory being that the deceased will choose if they want to wherever
>they are at that moment. This basically means that any1 could be an un-
>knowing member of the church. Any truth to this?

Mormons are baptized by proxy for their dead ancestors so that if any of them
should want to be members of the church they may.  If a person who is living
wants to be a Mormon, and there are enormous numbers of such, he has to go down
into the waters of baptism in person.  Hence, there are NO living persons who
have been baptized without their knowledge.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.education
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 08 Oct 92 16:08 PDT
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1299600066:cdp:1299600095:000:1972
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  8 16:08:00 1992



Andy Byler claims that since I am a member of the National Lawyers
Guild, I am a communist. Wrong, Andy.
   The original charge that the NLG was a "communist front" was
made during the McCarthy period. The Attorney General of the U.S.,
on the basis of the charge, listed the NLG as a "Subversive"
group. The NLG, which is not a "communist front" sued the Attorney
General (Brownell) demanding that he either present evidence or
retract the false charge. After much foot-dragging the Attorney
general withdrew the false charge. I once wrote an essay on the
subject if you are interested.
  I have always objected to all forms of state repression whether
they are communist or capitalist. I have never been attracted to
communism because I have this attachment to the Bill of Rights.
It's failure to preserve civil liberties in practice is its worst
indictment, and Leninism in particular seems to create repressive
bureaucracies. I have written at length in opposition to
Stalinism. For these and other reasons I am not a communist.
   You may be interested in knowing that the false charge that
someone is a communist is recognized under the law as "libel per
se" which means the person making the charge has to prove it or it
becomes a libel and then the only question is how much damages and
other monetary considerations are awarded. The John Birch Society
once claimed that Chicago attorney Elmer Gertz was a member of the
NLG and thus was a communist. Gertz sued, and won hundreds of
thousands of dollars in damages, nearly sending the Birch Society
into bankruptcy.
   I would encourage you to retract your statement as soon as
possible and accompany it with an apology. I take this kind of
false statement very seriously--as a journalist and paralegal the
charge could damage my reputation and my livelihood--but in the
spirit of free online debate I will settle for the retraction and
apology and write it off as an ill-informed error on your part.

-Chip Berlet

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Add
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:59:00 EST


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Part I, JOHN STOCKWELL Describes CIA's Naziistic Torture Chambers
Keywords: John Stockwell describes CIA's naziistic torture chambers
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:21:11 GMT

doesn't this shit seem, uh, a little dated?

josh

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.med,sci.research,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,alt.censorship
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Conspiracy
Keywords: Conspiracy
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:56:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1aimliINN8ng@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.232023.18298@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (ENTROPY. IT'S THE LAW) writes:
|> >>names stuck out. Two did. In room 702 and adjoining room 704 were two
|> >>people I had never thought of having anything to do with "_that_day_".
|> >>In 702 was a Frank Sutton and in 704 was Robert Crane.
|> >> 
|> >Pardon my ignorance, but who are Sutton and Crane? And how, and when did
|> >they die? Finally, did they know each other? I don't remember seeing their
|> >names in this group.
|> 
|> Bob Crane was Colonel Hogan in "Hogan's Heroes" and, I believe, was
|> murdered.  Frank Sutton has the same last name as the famous bank
|> robber, Willie "That's Where the Money Is" Sutton.
|> 

I thought Frank sutton was the actor who played Gomer Pyles DI.

So where does this leave us??  Did Hollywood bump off JFK??

bill

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
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From: v042517@stortek.com (Vince Dugar)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Help -- Need name of publication
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:49:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: STK

There used to be two publications, one called *Review of the News* and
another called *American Opinion*.  They then were combined under a new
name.  Can someone please tell me the new name, if it is still published,
and (if I'm real lucky) how to get a hold of one?

Thanks in advance... 


-- 
Vince Dugar                 | CIS: 71011,2657
Boulder, Colorado           | Opinions expressed are my own.
Vince_Dugar@stortek.com     | "Wise men still seek Him."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
From: <PMSCHULL@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 08:03:41 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

And what are LaRouche's actions?  1. Divising programs to get the First
World out of its slide into imperialism and other degeneracies.  2. Dis-
ising programs for Latin America, Africa, etc., for debt moratoria and
for developing the spiritual (intellectual,cultural, etc) and physical
dimensions of life.  3. Advancing work in optical biophysics, plasma
physics, etc.  4. Re-invigorating the science of classical music and
musical composition.  5. Improving on the (slight) work in physical
economy which had previously existed.  6. Making contributions in philosophical
 
ontology.  7. Reconstituting the Civil Rights Movement in the USA.
Yes, actions do speak louder than words--for those who have eyes to see.
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From: richa@grizzly.CNA.TEK.COM (Grizzly Amber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Ad jingles (was: Technical Request)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:45:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

"See the USA in your Chevrolet!"

There are no negatives involved and you are given an image of FREEDOM.
Go for it  troops. Nothing is gonna hold you back.

Not to mention my Chevy truck has a gun rack, required by the 2nd... :-)


Rich Amber
NRA Life Member
Certified Personal Protection Instructor
Certified Firearms Safety Instructor
Range Master, ex-police officer
Board Member, Central Oregon Shooting Sports Association
COSSA News Director
Gunsmith (part time), Technical Writer (full time)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.censorship,talk.environment,sci.environment,sci.med,sci.research,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Nukes Over Iraq?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:41:44 GMT

Is it true that General Schwartzkoppf suggested exploding a 
nuclear device high above Iraq in the beginning of the Gulf war,
in order to screw up their communications (like in the movie
"The Day After" when all electronic devices fail when the nuke
explodes)? Does this idea have any scientific basis?

Thanks,

-Danny Keren.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:10:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.050742.12207@news.unomaha.edu> kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) writes:
>drieux@wetware.com  writes:
>
(normal drieux posting, deleted)
>
>I'm not on drugs, and it's not that late in the night.  Plus, I know I'm not
>stupid because I made it through graduate school with honors.  What in the
>heck does this say?  It rambles on and on without any meaning like some
>weird piece of Zen poetry.

No, it's:  drieux, just drieux.  Try to think of drieux's postings
less as an essay and more as performance art.

>This is yet another example of the failure of
>public schooling to teach people how to write clearly.

Do you know drieux's educational background?

>It would be bad
>enough if the author just didn't know how to write complete sentences,
>spell correctly, punctuate, capitalize proper nouns, and not use capitals
>in the middle of words, but the worst sin of all is this simply isn't in-
>telligible.

Some of drieux's more "normal" postings are quite clear
and literate.

>The reason why this whole quoted article makes about as much sense as
>Bill Clinton's economic plan is that the author is liberal and liberals
>don't like rules.  We conservatives know that periods, commas, and capitals
>were created for a purpose.

OK, get a transcription (not just a cleaned-up copy) of any
George Bush press conference or spontaneous public speech
and tell us again how private school and conservatism
enhances syntax, punctuation, and intelligibility.

>Furthermore, suspension points were never in-
>tended for those spots where one's mind trails off.  If you're going to
>write something, remember that there are thousands of us who are attempting
>to read it.  I hate to pick on people for their grammar and style because
>we all make mistakes, but there is simply no excuse for such wildly in-
>comprehensible messages as this.

I assume that you don't like James Joyce, either.

>Kurt R. Krueger
>kkrueger@unomaha.edu


-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Sharp)
Subject: J. Downard
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:58:15 GMT


I would greatly appreciate any help in my search for a method
of communication with one James S. Downard.



MNS
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: FDR and Pearl Harbor
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:21:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <TRIF.92Oct14185043@bike.rad.washington.edu>, trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:
> In article <1bhddhINNnsk@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>    In article <adams.719073448@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>    >I guess FDR asked the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor?  And of course, Truman
>    >asked the North Koreans to invade South Korea...
> 
>    Actually, there is some controversy amongst historians regarding FDR
>    and Pearl Harbor.  There can be no mistake that FDR was looking for an
>    opportunity to get into WWII.  As early as 1939, FDR was attempting to
>    gear up for war, while professing "neutrality."  He submitted a $1.3
>    Billion defense budget (a *huge* sum of money in those days) and
>    declared a "limited emergency."  In 1940, the Selective Service act
>    was signed.  FDR wanted into the war (for good reason, I might add --
>    the tide of Nazism was flooding over Europe and there was a significant
>    chance that Great Britian would be overrun).
> 
>    With respect to Pearl Harbor, there is some amount of documentary
>    evidence to indicate that at least some of those charged with the
>    defense of this country were aware of the presence of the Japanese
>    Navy in the proximity of Pearl Harbor and had an inkling, at least, of
>    what the Japanese were up to.  While it may be stretching things a bit
>    to say, as some have, that the FDR administration knew in advance that
>    there was to be an attack on Pearl Harbor, I don't think that, in a
>    perverse way, FDR was at all disappointed or shocked at the attack.
> 
> This has been discussed recently on alt.folklore.urban-legend, and I believe
> that the true story is that some Japanese communication was intercepted that
> indicated that an attack somewhere in the Pacific was going to happen "real
> soon now".  Warning was radioed to all allied posts in the Pacific, but
> for some reason they had to telegraph to Hawaii, and the telegraph messenger
> delivered the message too late.
> 
	It also seems a little strange that the most important part of
the Pacific fleet, the carriers and support ships, had been removed from
Pearl Harbor for weekend maneuvers and escaped the attack.  Roosevelt
had also taken measures to severely restrict oil supplies to Japan
and negotiations in Washington to relieve the situation had just failed
miserably. There is also some recently released evidence that we had
plans for a surprise attack on Japan launched from China so it is
difficult to say we were caught completely off guard by Pearl Harbor.
It looks a lot like a political move on Roosevelt's part to unify a
very divided nation and galvanize it into action for right or wrong.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Clinton in Moscow, why?
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:20:16 GMT

hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER)) writes:

>Yesterday Bill Clinton admitted that in Jan of 1970 he visited Moscow, USSR.
>When asked why he maintained that he was there for sight seeing.  Yeah right,
>lots of folks used to go sight seeing in Moscow in the middle of the russian
>winter during the vietnam war.  In those days no one but state department
>officials visited the soviet union.  So what was Clinton doing there?

>Casey Hanlon


Where do you get the idea that "no one but state department officials
visited the soviet union"?  Ever hear of Intourist?  Ever get off your
own block?  You may not have noticed, but people living in Europe tend
to travel from country to country -- even in the winter -- in a fashion
different from those in the US.  My understanding is that Clinton's
visit was part of a general European tour while he was still attending
Oxford (that's in England, by the way).

Maybe working for nasa means you live somewhere in Florida, Texas or
California  and are intimidated by snow, but you might find that other
people can stand it and stand cold temperatures. 

This lunatic notion that Clinton is a KGB mole is a sign of how truly
desperate the right wing is in the face of Bush's almost-certain defeat.
What's amazing is that *anyone* has done anything but laugh at the
notion.

Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400) 


From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:23:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

> 
> I believe that this is the same Dornan who challenged some liberal
> congressman to a fist-fight in the halls of congress a number of years
> ago.  Jesse Helms II in the making.
> -- 

    It is unfortunate that his challenge to a fistfight wasn't the end
of Dornan's kookiness. He is even more dangerous than Jesse Helms, 
Strom Thurmond or even David Duke! Unfortunately, the guy seems to believe
that he is the next ruler of the universe and has every belief that he
knows what it right for everyone else! 

    His anti-communism strikes me as actually paranoid! *Everyone*, and
I mean *everyone*, is a KGB agent, has been a KGB agent or will be 
a KGB agent. 

    If he wasn't so dangerous, I might even find him amusing -- sortof 
like the comedians on VH-1!

    Dornan is also a radical fundamentalist Christian. Has anyone noticed
that riong he wears? 

    And that *voice*! He must smoke 14,000 cigarettes a day! 

    Which would be fitting with his general philosophy: It's wrong
except when *we* do it! 

//rks

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