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From: xontech@cerf.net (Bruce B. Lacey)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Successor to NEC CDR-74...
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:25:55 GMT
Organization: XonTech, Inc.
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X-XXDate: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:28:55 GMT

I tried place an order for an NEC CDR-74 today (10/12/92) only to be told 
that NEC has discontinued the CDR-74 model and that they will be 
announcing a new drive on the 22nd.  Does anyone know the details?  Will 
the new drive be offered with the bundle that currently comes with the 
CDR-74?  I am anxious to get a high-performance CD-ROM drive and would 
greatly appreciate any inputs regarding this matter.  In addition, if 
anyone can suggest a drive other than the NEC CDR-74 (for a use with a 
Macintosh Quadra 700)-- I'm all ears as Ross Perot would say.

Thanks in advance.
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From: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu (Joe Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Redistributable Digital Images
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:37:00 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu


>Now we turn to the problem of getting those high-quality digitizations done.
>Few artists or photographers are experts in color digitization.  Fewer still
>have access to expensive slide scanners, etc.  Can we find someone who would
>be interested in scanning in the images for free?  Perhaps.  If the image's
>documentation file also contains a credit for the firm that digitized it, a
>bit of free publicity would accrue to that firm.
>

Well, the company I work for Impulse Computing does a lot of 24 bit 
scans off anything from a negative and slides with a really cool Nikon
Film scanner to a 1200dpi flat bed.  I am sure that they would go Ape
Shit if there was a consistant demand for this type of thing, and I am 
sure that there are a lot of other good places to do so around
the U.S.  Why not just have each artist find a place to scan the stuff,
through it onto a Syquest, or other form of high capacity drive and
mark on the bottom of the disk who did the scan and who the artist
was.  Then when you go to put them all together, you could have 
a type of data base that would display all the data.

JOE
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Looking for CD caddy source.
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:53:44 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA

In article <BvrEpC.CM5@world.std.com>
 jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes:

>I'm looking for a good, inexpensive source for Sony style CD caddies (for an
>Apple CD 150).  Anyone know of one?

Walnut Creek has them for (I think) around $6 each, in addition to the fine 
CD-ROMs they produce.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Hitachi CDR-1700S
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:53:53 GMT
Keywords: ugh

baford@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bret Ford) writes:
>I am having problems installing a Hitachi cdrom in a 
>PowerMate 1 Plus box (NEC).  I don't think the system knows its
>there.  I get a Not Ready error, and no drive spin.
>hitachia.sys is given the default parameters /D:MSCD000
>/N:1 /P:300.  The I/O address on the Hitachi bus was 300, which 
>should work. mscdex.exe got /d:mscd000 /m:12. the rom's switches are
>1-on 2-off 3-off 4-off 5-on 6-off. 
*----
I'm pretty sure the device name you establish (MSCD000) is
case-sensitive.  Make sure its absolutely identical on both
command lines.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: eyu@hamlet.umd.edu (Ellen Yu)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Possible to put NEC CDR-74 on >8MHz bus machine?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


Hi all 

I hope this is something that can be answered easily.  My group just
purchased a NEC CDR-74 External CD-ROM drive.  We got the gallery
pack so we got the T128 SCSI card along with it.

My plans?  To hook it up to an AT&T 6386E/33 WGS machine which is
a 33 MHz machine (the manual lists the bus speed at 33 MHz also).
Well, I got all sorts of errors about "not ready reading drive".
It had appeared to me to be a timing thing so I put the CPU in
"slow" mode.  That seemed to work, but then the computer is basically
UNUSABLE at that speed.  So, I installed it on an AT&T 6386/25 WGS
machine which is 25 MHz, but with an 8 MHz bus.  That works fine.

My question is this:  Is it possible to get some other SCSI card and
software or something so that I can hook the CD-ROM drive on the
faster computer?

Thanks in advance for any hints/suggestions.

Ellen

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    College Park, MD  20740                 Compuserve: 71641,1764
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From: graham@gimble.demon.co.uk (Graham J S Robertson)
Subject: Listing Of Available Cd-R 
Distribution: world
Organization: British Software Licensing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:46:45 +0000

The Walnut Creek CDROMs are also available in the UK from me.




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From: marks@pwa-b.uucp (Evan R. Marks)
Subject: Great CD-ROM bundle for $126
Organization: Pratt & Whitney Aircraft
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:48:24 GMT

A company called triangle technologies uis offering a Great CD Bundle
for only $126.  It includes Mammals, Languages of the World, Mixed 
up Mother goose, Microsoft Bookshelf (1991) , Compton's Family Encyclopedia,
and Laser Library Menu.

This is unbundled from the sony laser library.

They can be reached at 1-800-969-7667.  Ask for John Williams. 
If asked for a reference, give my name....

I am trying to work with them to get volume discounts on other bundles 
in the future.  (Note I do not work for them or get a kickback, I just want 
to get my discs cheaper...)
-- 
Evan R. Marks  			   	 Pratt & Whitney Aircraft
Sr. Systems Support Specialist           400 Main St. M/S 161-05
Unix Workstation Support                 East Hartford, CT 06108
marks@pwfire.pweh.utc.com 		 (203) 565-5444
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Looking for CD caddy source.
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:19:59 GMT

I'm looking for a good, inexpensive source for Sony style CD caddies (for an
Apple CD 150).  Anyone know of one?

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: toddy@uni-paderborn.de (Thomas Rose)
Subject: Looking for a CD-ROM
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:32:12 GMT

Hi !

I am a student in Germany, and i am looking for a CD-ROM for my 
486-33 (Adaptec 1542B, Sound-Blaster 2.0, OS/2 2.0). 

Which drives are good, and where can i buy them at real good prices ??

I have got offers for SONY CDU-250 (i think)
                      Matsushita
                      Toshiba


I like to use them with the Adaptec 1542B

Questions :

  1. Can i use a SCSI CD-ROM to play Audio CD's
  2. What do i need to use CD-ROM in OS/2 2.0
  3. Can anyone send me the list with compatible Win-NT CD-ROM`s ?

           Thanks
                 tom



P.S.: Please answer via elm !
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Re: Reading audio as data?
Organization: L5 Computing
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.173832.11423@netcom.com> tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)  
writes:
|>     From my understanding, only the the CDROM drive that comes w/
|> SGI machines can read the audio portion of a CD as data. I also understand
|> that CDROM drive manufactures have agreed not to make drives that can
|> read the audio. *However* I hope that my understanding is *wrong*!
|> 
|>     Has anyone encountered a CDROM drive that can read the audio as data?
|> 
|>     Please post... I am not the only one interested in this.
|> 
|> Thanx, Tom C.
No, you aren't wrong.

Currently the only computer controlled path from CD to computer hard disk
is via DAT. There are boards that can suck data from a CD optical port, but
CD player control is manual.

I can understand why the CD-ROM makers are nervous. The recording industry
has a hell of a scam going with CD"s. Did you know that there is no longer a
mastering charge to make a CD audio disc? And that they cost $1.25 to make?
And they still cost $15? Yep, lots of self created pirating pressure!

Of course if you are an artist starting out in the biz it's now real cheap
to get digital copies of your work made. $1250 for 1000 copies with no NRE
is a hell of a deal (you even get a two color silkscreen.) I doubt you could
find a tape production facility that could touch this.

And now I hear DCC's are going to hit the streets at $15 a pop! If this 
leading edge product comes in at $15, when are CD's ever going to start 
going down the pricing curve?

Scotty
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B Plus NEC CDR74
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:43:04 GMT

scott@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Evernden) writes:
: 
: Is anyone successfully using this combination?  I've tried both
: the Adaptec ASW410 as well as the CorelSCSI software, and I
: cannot make the 1542 talk to the 74.  I keep seeing hints and
: wisps of suggestions that there is some sort of known problem
: with the 1542 (no problem getting the 74 working with it's
: Trantor T128 card).
: 

I encountered the same problem with the NEC 73M. I think that what you 
need is a different version of the MSCDEX. The version that ships with
ASW410 is bad. Try Compuserve or send me email and I will uuencode a
functioning copy. 

By the way, I did find out that the NEC 73M passes info back to the
SCSI Adapter at a faster rate than the Adaptec can handle usually,
ie the CD is constantly on with the Trantor card, but CD stops to
wait for the adapter to catch up.

Why do you want to use the Adptec anyway? Under DOS the Trantor
card has met my needs (tape compatibility) better than the Adaptec

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Single/Multisession Photo CD
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:59:03 GMT

gregg@dixie.com (Victor Scott Gregg) writes:
>I have read that NO CD-ROM players are fully Photo-CD compatible,
>and that the ones currently on the market are only single-session.
>I also read that the Apple 300i will be/or is fully Photo-CD
>compatible with support for multi-session discs.
>Does anyone KNOW if there are any multi-session ready drives on the
>market and/or is the 300i multi-session and at what price.

According to a news release I just read, the Apple CD 300 will be
multisession, yes.  The external version is coming in December at $600.
The internal (300i) version is due in January at $500.

Toshiba just announced that the multisession version of their Model 3301
will be released Oct 19.  Older models can get a factory upgrade.  It
was noted that their Model 3201 is *not* upgradable, btw.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: rosso@roscoe.csd.sgi.com (Ross Oliver)
Subject: Kodak Photo-CD price gouging
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:58:23 GMT



I have been collecting information about Kodak's Photo-CD service, and
yesterday made a disturbing discovery.  I asked the local photo shop
(who offers Photo-CD service) if it were possible to make duplicates
of existing Photo-CDs (to give to friends, family, etc).  I was told,
yes, but the price would be on the same schedule as making a new
Photo-CD from existing slides or negatives, i.e. about $1.50 per image.
There is NO discount for the fact that the images are already digitized,
and NO discounts for multiple copies of the same CD on a single order.
This means making five copies of a 100-image CD would cost about $750!
I could have 1,000 regular CDs run for that price.

When I asked the person at the photo shop to confirm this, he immediately
terminated the conversation by giving me the 800 number for Kodak.
Apparently, he must get this reaction a lot.  I called Kodak, and the
person I spoke with confirmed the pricing.

I would urge everyone who is interested in Photo-CDs to complain
LOUDLY about this rediculous pricing scheme.  Of course, this does
present an opportunity for the first aftermarket service: Photo-CD
duplication.


Ross Oliver
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: libjmb@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU (John Brandt)
Subject: RE: NESE*DB CD-ROM
Reply-To: John Brandt <libjmb@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:51:42 GMT

        The National Economic, Social and Environmental Data Bank
(NESE*DB) on CD-ROM is published by the United States Department of
Commerce, Economic and Statistics Administration.  The phone number to
inquire about the disc is: 202-377-1986, or you can write:
        NESE*DB
        Room H4885
        Department of Commerce
        Washington, D.C. 20230
        United States of America

The disc will be issued quarterly (starting in October, 1992) and I
believe costs will be US$ 95 per disc or US$ 360 for a one year
subscription.  It utilizes the same software as the National Trade
Data Bank (NTDB) and NESE is the domestic counterpart to the popular
NTDBs collection of international statistics.

     John Brandt
     Woodruff Documents Center
     Emory University
     Atlanta, GA   (GO BRAVES!)
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:17:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: mboom@ntg.com (Mike Boom)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Desk Top Library CD on hold
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:56:04 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

I just received a letter today from Walnut Creek CDROM informing me that
they couldn't ship the copy of Desk Top Library that I ordered because
they have a legal challenge to the public domain status of some of the
works on the disc.  They think the challenge is without serious merit
and expect to resume shipping in November.

This posting is just for the general information of this newsgroup.  I'm
sorry to see the legal challenge crop up, but I also expect that with
today's surfeit of lawyers and the large number of works possible on a
single CD that we'll see more of these challenges pop up in the future.

Best of luck to Walnut Creek CDROM

Mike Boom
Toxic Screen Dumps, Inc.  (a non-subsidiary of the New Technologies Group)
From: mikew@kpc.com (Mike Wexler)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: PhotoCD and Sony drives
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:56:10 GMT
Reply-To: mikew@kpc.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

> With the CDU561, moreover, CD digital audio data with the
> subcode R to W channels can be transferred via the SCSI bus to the
> audio interface of the host computer or some other storage device in
> the system.
Does this mean that you can read the digital audio of off normal audio
CDs? If not, what does it mean?
--
Mike Wexler (mikew@kpc.com)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: rwallace@nebula.mentorg.com (Richard Wallace)
Subject: Re: marking or labelling cdroms
Originator: rwallace@nebula
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 17:08:19 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <36369@hoptoad.uucp>, rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin) writes:
|> > Are there permanent marking pens, adhesive labels, or some kind of
|> > engraving tools that work but do no damage to the disks?
|> 
|> I just spoke to Pam Clancy at DMI.  She confirms that felt-tip permanent
|> markers are OK, but that any hard marker (engraver, ball-point pen, etc.)
|> will damage the disc.  She also says that adhesive labels are a bad idea.
|> 
|> --
|> Rich Morin, Canta Forda Computer Laboratory | Prime Time Freeware - quality
|>   UNIX consulting, training, and writing    | freeware at affordable prices
|>   P.O. Box 1488, Pacifica, CA, 94044, USA   |          ptf@cfcl.com
|> rdm@cfcl.com    +1 415-873-7841 (Voice/Fax) | +1 408-738-4832 (V), -2050 (F)

The company I work for distributes its software on CDROM, and we have developed a method of labeling each of the master disks we produce.  The following is an outline of the process.

1)  Use the mylar material that is used for laser printers ( overhead slides )
    An opaque finish is best since some air bubbles are trapped under
    the label and clear labels show these.

2)  Use the same adhesive as the 3M Post-It on the back of the labels.  If
    a label needs to be removed or repositioned a stonger adhesive will
    pull off some of the lacquer on the CDROM.

3)  Set up the information you want printed on the label in your favorite
    word processor and feed the labels through your laser printer.  Then
    just peel and stick.

I hope you find this information useful.
Richard
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From: sgil@netcom.com (Steve Gilbert)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Sony BBS number? and questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:38:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

sytang@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Shoou-yu tang) writes:
:  Does anyone has Sony's BBS number and tech. support number?
:  Also how to install the sony_cdu.sys in the config.sys, how to use the mscdx?

Sony's BBS is 408-372-7426.  Their Tech support is 408-432-0190.

You'd be better off talking with the tech support for precise parameters
on the sony_cdu and mscdex, since they're liable to vary from model to
model.
--
Steve Gilbert					(sgil@netcom.com)
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From: franki@prso.pttnwb.nl (Frank van Ierland)
Subject: Mailorder adres sending to europe
Keywords: CD-ROM NEC mailorder
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:15:04 GMT


I would like to buy a NEC CDR-84 CD-ROM player. The prices down here a so much
higher than in the USA (~ $600 for a bare drive) so i'm looking for a mailorder
adres in the USA or Canada. Preferebly a place wich has a bundle offer (cd's 
orrderd with the drive for _much_ lower prices). 

Can anny one mail me some adresses.

Thanks.
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From: paul.elliott@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Paul Elliott)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: os/2 cd-rom driver
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:28:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Me? Organized?

The cover letter that came with my os/2 proffessional Developers's Kit (PDK)
states in part:

"A new CD ROM driver has been put up on CompuServe called, CDROM_G.SYS.
This is supposed to support CD ROM drives other than IBM and TOSHIBAs."

I have been unable to find this file on Compuserve. Does anyone know what
forum and library it is in?

Does the driver support non-SCCI CD ROMS?

Thank You.

Paul Elliott                                  Telephone: 1-713-781-4543
Paul.Elliott@hrnowl.lonestar.org              Address:   5857 South Gessner #224
                                              Houston Texas 77036
From: jay@sw.stratus.com (Jay Appell)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: NEW TEXEL DRIVE
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:36:21 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I went to the CD-ROM EXPO in Boston and saw a new drive from Texel. It seeks at 265 ms. The
demo was very impressive. They had 3 robotic arms on the carriage return key. They had one
PC with a SONY drive, another with the NEC-84 (my drive) and the last PC with the TEXEL CD.

When the demop started, each PC began to show the Anderson Window adverstisment which
shows a cad type home being viewed from a birds eye. As the eye flew through the home
you could see the TEXEL drive advancing on it's competition. It finished 17 seconds ahead
of the other CD-ROMS. On a seperate demo he knocked gently on the NEC-84 and the drive
stopped! It sampled again and continued onward! When the same light tap and then heavy blow
was placed on the TEXEL drive...it ran without hesitation. Only when a large heavy thump was
placed on the drive did it stutter. This was most impressive, not only for it's speed but
it's durability.

CHECK IT OUT...you won't be sorry!


Jay_Appell@cadc.stratus.com
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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: High-Pitched whine from SB Pro CD-Rom
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:51:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <T6BksB1w165w@cyrcle.uucp>, lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley) writes:
> I have a SoundBlaster Pro with its internal CD-ROM Drive.  When no Audio
> CD is playing, and I have the CD volume setting in the Windows-based SB
> Pro Mixer very high, I get an annoying high-pitched whine coming out of
> my little desktop speakers.  This is especially noticeable when I have
> a windowed DOS shell visible with large amounts of text scrolling.
> 
> Is this normal?  Should I get one of those round ferrite cores and wrap
> it around my speaker cable just outside of the SB Pros jack?  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> --==>>BobT> 

I had the same problem, I used the ferrites and it works a bit.  I think
it's just poor shielding from Creative Labs!

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