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From: eng10255@nusunix1.nus.sg (LAM SOO YUAN)
Subject: Re: santanism
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:46:38 GMT

Here's wishing everybody a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! !!!

HO HO HO
I WANNA WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS
I WANNA WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS
I WANNA WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS
FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!

HO HO HO HO HO   HO HO HO HO HO  HO HO HO HO HO !!!

And especially to those who expects an article on Santanism , I just
want to say that - I personally think that Santa does NOT exists!  He
is a 100% fictional figure!  And yet there may be Santa-LIKE people
around some parts of the world today... ... so I say - let those who
believes, believe and those who disbelieves, disbelieve... ...Hey!!!
Live and let live, afterall,... ...it IS the holiday season!
 HO HO HO HO HO  HO HO HO HO HO !!
From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: Santa as a tool to opress the masses (was Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:35:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec15.220352.13406@penet.fi> an1196@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>Seemed to me it was the rich brats with nice parents that got all the
>good stuff, the whole Santa hoax was just another way of proving to us
>that were pissed all over as kids that we DESERVED to be pissed all
>over.
>
Wow!  I mean - the poster intended to be amusing in part, but of all my
Christmasses I have never thought of Santa that way.  I mean, Santa is obviously
no socialist, but believes in rewarding children with gifts usually to the
level of their economic status.  Which means, generally speaking, he gives
more to the rich and less to the poor.  Hmmm - the political and philosophical
implications of this are very amusing...

Maybe if I were to emulate Santa I would donate a can of green beans to the
Salvation Army and give a $10,000 endowment to the Michael Milken Inside Trader
of the Year Legal Defense Fund this Christmas... ;)

greg
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: Re: Can you please change the name?
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.222319.13265@news.columbia.edu> krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim) writes:
>
>First of all, the name was way too close to saTaNism for me.
>My first reaction was to freak and wonder what the heck was going on.
>Of course when I read a couple of the articles I finally realized my mistake.
>
>However I personally feel that the name brings too much of a bad 
>connotation and may even turn away new readers who may have made the
>same mistake as I did.  How about just alt.religion.santa-claus or
>something to that effect.
>
I think it's important at this point to emphasize that santaism and 
satanism are both equally valid religious belief systems.  To imply that
one or the other has a 'bad connotation' is an example of narrow-minded
bigotry.


-- 
John Gunn, Ph.D                    |  "A casual stroll through the lunatic
Columbia University, New York, NY  |  asylum shows that faith doesn't
Center for Biomolecular Simulation |  prove anything."
and Head Coach, Ski Team           |     - Friedrich Neitzsche
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism,alt.magnus.and.ketil
From: ketil@ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of numerical analysis at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<1gin0sINNolm@mizar.usc.edu> <NIEDER.92Dec14211104@havlit.iesd.auc.dk>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:07:36 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Dec 92 21:11:04, nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann) said:

>>>>> On 14 Dec 1992 11:24:12 -0800, rrobinso@mizar.usc.edu (Rebecca Robinson) said:

	Rebecca> So, I say, hurrah for Santa and all his elves,
	Rebecca> because his example can be used to teach children how
	Rebecca> to be loving and giving human beans.

	Jesper> God damn how disgusting :-) Human beans, big green
	Jesper> things !? Do they have intellect? And how do they get
	Jesper> nuorishment, by photosynthesis or do they eat?

I don't think you understood her correctly.  In fact, I think you
misinterpreted her because of a small typo on her part.  What she was
talking about, I believe, was not "human beans" as such, but how
children could be taught to give human(s) beans, and how this would
somehow make the world a better place.

Perhaps it has something to do with "spilling the beans" which, from
my vast experience with second rate gangster movies, I interpret to
mean talking too much.  Is rebecca saying children are too noisy, and
is it all santa's fault?

	Jesper> Reminds me of a filmtitle: "Attack of the killer
	Jesper> tomatoes" or something like that.

Reminds me of a film: "Bad Taste"  But then again, people keep
insisting that I have a deranged mind.  Great flick, tho'

	Rebecca> Merry Christmas!!!

	Jesper> Thanks. Same to you.

Yes and to you both and all, beans or not.

PS: Is santa available on the net?
--
 = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: weird trees
Followup-To: alt.religion.santaism
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:54:57 GMT
Organization: Aluminum Company of the North Pole
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org
Keywords: aluminum, tacky, unfathomable

>In article <17572@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>>Speaking of tacky Christmas decorations, there is one
>>persistent image in my mind that I can't seem to get rid
>>of.  Some will no doubt remember, some will have tried
>>to forget, and perhaps some will never have known it.
>>
>>Yes: the aluminum Christmas tree.

The Mark & Brian Radio Show here in Los Angeles has had one of these
babies for about five years.  They are missing one of the little color
plates for the color wheel, though.  Along with the "dropping of the
yule log", which you have to hear to understand the humor of it, these
are some of the best kitschy items around.

>>I'd also like to know whether blue-flocked spruce trees
>>were some sort of challenge to the ascendancy of the
>>aluminum tree, or whether they were merely a fad that
>>passed away with bell-bottoms, love beads, and really-big-
>>polka-dot mini dresses.

We've still got flocked trees in L.A.  Blue, red (pink), yellow, or
white.  Why oh why?  Lack of snow for Christmas seems to do strange
things.  It's hard to see the festivity of the decorations when it's
85 degrees outside (which we don't have this year so far, so it
actually does feel a little more Christmassy).
-- 
William A. Emanuelsen    I degaussed my girlfriend and I'm
wae@aerospace.aero.org      just not attracted to her anymore.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism,rec.music.dementia
From: rnovak@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert Novak)
Subject: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Keywords: Satan Claus
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:30:11 GMT

There's been some talk about Santa vs. Satan in the Santaism newsgroup,
and I'm wondering if anyone can fill me (and other readers) in on the song
"Satan Claus" that Dr. Demento used to play on his December programs. I
guess he might still, but I don't know where to listen to him in
northeastern Indiana since WLBC Muncie stopped carrying him.

Anyone with answers for the song or where in NE Indiana USA to hear the
Doctor, please respond.

Robert
--
Robert Novak                   {Tiffany Mailing List manager/founder        }
rnovak@nyx.cs.du.edu           {to join, email tiffany-request@nyx.cs.du.edu}
Just another brick in the wall {"Call it jealousy, call me a fool...." -TD  }

Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Re: Have you ever seen a picture of them together?
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:19:37 GMT

I noted that last year radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh took a vacation
in late December.

Have you ever noticed that Rush Limbaugh sounds like that other fat
Christian guy who makes his rounds that time of year?

Has anyone ever seen the two of them together?

Joe Naiman

Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann)
Subject: Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<Bz9J54.1v5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1gin0sINNolm@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:11:04

>>>>> On 14 Dec 1992 11:24:12 -0800, rrobinso@mizar.usc.edu (Rebecca Robinson) said:
[stuff deleted]

Rebecca> So, I say, hurrah for Santa and all his elves, because his example can be used
Rebecca> to teach children how to be loving and giving human beans.
                                                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~

God damn how disgusting :-) Human beans, big green things !? Do they
have intellect? And how do they get nuorishment, by photosynthesis or do
they eat?

Reminds me of a filmtitle: "Attack of the killer tomatoes" or
something like that.

Rebecca> Merry Christmas!!!

Thanks. Same to you.
--
- mvh nieder.
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:50:23 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Dec15.153328.20635@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>Yeah.  So many people conveniently neglect the down side of Santa.

Phooey.  I am always naughty and I get lots of nice presents.  You have
to remember that Santa is a softie.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: ketil@ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of numerical analysis at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<1gin0sINNolm@mizar.usc.edu>
	<1992Dec14.174458.4009@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 01:14:16 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:44:50 -0500, "Mike Clemens" <mclemens@blueberry.ucs.indiana.edu> said:

Rebecca> So, I say, hurrah for Santa and all his elves, because his
Rebecca> example can be used to teach children how to be loving and
Rebecca> giving human beans.

Mike> If this was in response to my post, honestly, you took it too
Mike> seriously.  The Santa/Satan list was just a silly little diversion
Mike> dreamt up by very tired grad students
Mike> in a very grey building
Mike> with very few windows.

I know the feeling.  What's a window?

Mike> Kringle/etc., I feel that it is a fine tradition that has, alas,
Mike> suffered at the hands of advertisers and store owners and anyone
Mike> wishing to capitalize on Christmas (which seems to be about everyone.)
Mike> (Why does the American Santa wear red?  Because Coca-Cola always
Mike> advertised him that way...)  

Mike> We adults all-too-often pervert the "true" spirit of Christmas

Right!  At last someone who realizes that there's a reason for
celebrating Christmas, and if you live this far north, you'll
understand *why* it is nescessary to have all these gigantic orgies
and sacrificing of horses and people, and why the High Priest Of The
Ancient Spirits in his red robe and long white beard is such a central
person.

Imagine how it would be, when the sun, forever sinking lower and lower
towards the horizon, almost disappearing totally, how it would be if
it just kept on sinking, never to return? 

No we need this season of sacrifice, feast and appeal to the Ancient
Gods, to the Omnipotent Rulers of Nature And All Things to ensure the
return of Sun, The Lifebringer.

Let not the commercialismm and greed take over this fine and
deep-rooted ritual that springs forth from the bottom of the human
soul! 

Mike> in the name of performing some yearly ritual.

Exactly!

Mike> I agree that the tradition (meaning the one America adopted from
Mike> Europe) is beautiful, that it might instill in children an
Mike> appreciation for goodness and love and caring and sharing.

Yes, especially the sacrifices.

A very special christmas to you all, and may the Ancient bless you
with eternal sun through your winters!

(Disclaimer:  I like santa, I really do, honest!  And christmas, even
if the tree's made of plastic, and the horse's head on the pole isn't
a real one.. :-)




--
 = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: Can you please change the name?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:05:29 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

pquince@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Quince) writes:

>gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec13.222319.13265@news.columbia.edu> krim@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Rim) writes:
>>>
>>>First of all, the name was way too close to saTaNism for me.
>>>My first reaction was to freak and wonder what the heck was going on.
>>>Of course when I read a couple of the articles I finally realized my mistake.
>>>
>>>However I personally feel that the name brings too much of a bad 
>>>connotation and may even turn away new readers who may have made the
>>>same mistake as I did.  How about just alt.religion.santa-claus or
>>>something to that effect.
>>>
>>I think it's important at this point to emphasize that santaism and 
>>satanism are both equally valid religious belief systems.  To imply that
>>one or the other has a 'bad connotation' is an example of narrow-minded
>>bigotry.

>>John Gunn, [etc.]


>The original poster Karl Rim was discussing connotation; he made an honest 
>expression of personal opinion.  He was not guilty of, for example, narrow-minded
>labelling.  He was talking about how he felt.  I mean, consider:  just because 
>John Gunn has implied that Satanism has bad connotations only to narrow-minded 
>bigots like Sharon Tate and her ilk doesn't mean that I am going to rush right out and 
>label him a self-important nihilist snob.  I have no idea what he is really like as 
>a person, so I have no right to make snap judgements like that.  So come on, now, 
>lets give one another a break!  You're no doubt both fine fellows.

>pquince
>--

Good show, Peter!!!  I think we should clone you and spread you around the net...
:)

Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com (Bruce Reagan)
Subject: Gloves of the Exalted One
Reply-To: reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: unknown
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:25:53 GMT

	I have noticed lately that the idols and imitators of our most revered
S. Claus cannot agree upon what color his gloves are.  I have always thought
they should be black, but many idols and decorations have him with red gloves. 
I took our child to see one of his imitators at the mall and he was wearing
white!  I have also seen him represented with green and even brown gloves. 
Please help with this most distressing problem.

-- 
Bruce Reagan
reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: 29
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.072629.29359@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) writes:
>Great, now we are claiming that Santa exist. What's next to insult our dear
>intelligence? Maybe this alt.religion.santaism is just another
>smoke-screen for Satanism. Why hide Satanism behind our dear child-hood
>fantasy? Satan, are you a coward that you have to resort to use a
>fantasia to gain popularity? 
>
>				Coward you.
>
>Wilfred Ling

Well, jeepers Wilfred. We Santaists aren't THAT dumb. I HAVE wondered some
times why both Santa and Satan are often called "Nick." Other than that, 
naaaaah! We know who is who! We know who has been bad or good. And you'd better
be careful! Sounds like you're going to get coal in your stocking.

Besides, I have it on the very best SCIENTIFIC authority that Santa can be
proven to exist. In the renouned article in the April 34th issue of Scientific
America (last year's, more or less...) Dr. Vladimir Hohovitch of Russia produced
a scientific FORMULA computing the age of the earth, the theory of relativity,
the meaning of life, and several other very profound things. In other words,
he got a pretty good look at the UNIFIED FIELD EQUATION long sought by prof.
Einstein. And do you know what it was? Can you guess what it was? 


It said:

HO HO HO!

I'm sold myself. that's all the proof I need. Besides, if you watch "Miracle
on 34th Street," a US district court PROVED Santa existed. And he didn't have 
horns. 

Queen of Swords
dleland@nmsu.edu
From: rrobinso@mizar.usc.edu (Rebecca Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: Santa vs. Satan, the debate lingers on
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:24:12 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

I am of the opinion that any debate over Santa vs. Satan is unfounded.  Whether
or not Santa exists is up to each individual person.  One of the reasons I
decided to subscribe to this group is in hopes that people would say good
things about Santa Claus.

I lived in Germany several years ago and learned the German tradition of Saint
Nicholas, how he was a bishop in the church and provided gifts of food for 
many of the poor children in the town in which he lived.

I think that this is a beautiful tradition, and it is, in part, at the root of
the tradition of Santa Claus.  Santa, whether a physical entity or just the
embodiment of "the spirit of giving", is not a vice.  It would seem to me that
the spirit of giving and the spirit of Christmas can be taught to children 
using something to which they can easily relate, without having so many 
Scrooges put down such wonderful ideas.

So, I say, hurrah for Santa and all his elves, because his example can be used
to teach children how to be loving and giving human beans.

Merry Christmas!!!
From: dglo@manray.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Glowacki)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: santanism
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:36:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: manray.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec16.034321.16026@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10255@nusunix1.nus.sg (LAM SOO YUAN) writes:
>ha HA HA... ...
>VERY FUNNY...

Sorry, but in this group it's not "Ha Ha Ha", it's "Ho Ho Ho".

I wonder if any bad kids ever messed with Santa by *asking* for coal...
-- 
Dave Glowacki                 dglo@cs.Berkeley.EDU                   UCBerkeley
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
From: an3148@anon.penet.fi (Scrooge)
Subject: Elevate Mother Theresa to Santahood! (was Re: Santaism)
X-Anonymously-To: alt.religion.santaism
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:56:11 GMT

In article <1gpb6cINNm8j@mizar.usc.edu> Rebecca Robinson writes:
>Whether or not a person believes in Santa Claus or suffered from a poor, 
>deprived childhood, or just thinks it's all a scam, one cannot deny the
>historical fact following the myth of Santa Claus (just as most, if not all
>myths are originated from historical fact, usually too blurred in the distant
>past) of a member of the clergy in a church by the name of Nicholas who was
>generous to the poor children of the town, who later became sainted for this
>generous action.  In many, if not most, European (religious) traditions, there
>is a Saint Nicholas:  Germany, France, Britain (of course), Poland, Czecho-
>slovakia, Italy, and others.  Also, in many other cultures, there is often
>a figure of generosity similar to Santa. 
>

I think in my first crank response I spec. stated I had no gripe with
'St. Nicholas' ('Sankt Niklaus', etc) 

>Having a role model of giving, no matter how ridiculous he/she/it may look,
>is something that can be looked upon as being positive.  I know I need an
>example.  Probably others do, too.
>

Certainly, St. Nicholas, as a charitable priest helping out poor
people, is a swell role model, But SANTA CLAUS != ST. NICHOLAS.

I'll also grant that Christmas IS a time of charity; I do find that
heartening, though it's too bad people are only inspired to be nice to
each other for about six weeks a year (mileage may vary according to
local conditions) 

On New Year's day do charity volunteers, those once-a-year types, put
up their feet and go "whew, at last I can rest my conscience and get
back to being callous and uncaring"?

IMO, Mother Theresa is an even better role model than SANTA CLAUS as
she is 
	(a) still alive 
	(b) REAL 
	(c) not buried in 10 (?)  centuries of myth.

(NEW THREAD: extrapolate the existence 400 years from now of a
 mythical Mother Teresa levitating about the Indian countryside in a
 rickshaw pulled by brahman cattle, distributing gifts of food and
 medical supplies to all the starving children.  Sounds almost
 sacrilegious if not downright asinine, doesn't it?)

== Bill bohrer@mcc.com
(If you can't tell how serious I am, well, that's the point.)

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From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: My Christmas Tree (which is *much* better than CHRISTMA EXEC ... )
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:37:47 GMT
Organization: Carl's Cool Candy Canes Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Dec14.193610.13663@sfu.ca> rslade@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Slade) writes:
>          \|/
>         --*--
>          /|\
>           ^   
>          ^^*  
>         ^#^^^ 
>        ^^^&^^^     
>       ^%^^^^*^^       MERRY
>      ^^^^-^^^^[^    
>     ^^*^^^^/^^^^^     CHRISTMAS
>    ^*^^^&^^^^0^^^^   
>   ^^^+^^^^X^^^^^^^&     
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>          ^^^  
>          ^^^  
>  """""""""""""""""""

You put pretzels on your tree!!??!!  I use candy canes: JJJJJJJJ, but
they seem to fall off kind of easy.  When I was a kid, they made 'em
better, or at least right-side up!  Your tree looks like a spruce.
Here is a small fir tree and an artificial tree and some ornaments:

      ~             /\          ***        = snow flakes
     ~~~           /  \         @@@@       = glass balls wih fake snow
    ~~~~~         /    \        JJJJJ      = candy canes
   ~~~~~~~       /      \       oooo       = small glass balls
  ~~~~~~~~~     /        \      OOO        = large glass balls
 ~~~~~~~~~~~    ----------      |||||||||  = tinsel
      |             /\

"I need a vacation!" -- The Terminator
-- 
William A. Emanuelsen    I degaussed my girlfriend and I'm
wae@aerospace.aero.org      just not attracted to her anymore.