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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Young AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:08:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.161300.14730@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:
>From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
>Subject: Re: Young AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year
>Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:13:00 GMT
>In article <dchou.726360779@husc.harvard.edu>, dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>>>>Steve Young     28
>>>>Barry Foster    24
>>>>Emmitt Smith    17
>>
>>>This burns my ass... and Emmitt's too. Young had a great year but Emmitt 
>>>has simply been T-H-E FUCKING MAN!!
>>
>>Perhaps, in the analysis, the writers also took into consideration what
>>the player meant to the team itself. ... [stuff deleted]
>
>Your logic with Foster escapes me, but to continue your logic about "how
>much the team would MISS the player in question" : so you take Young out
>and the 49ers are mince meat? Many people think Steve Bono would have done
>just as good a job as Young. I'm not saying that's true (no one will ever
>know), but I just don't think "value to the team" played as big a part in
>this award as you might think.
>

Bob, consider the 9ers in the light of an excellent team that HAD one of  
the best QBs of all time <gack, I think I'm about to choke actually saying 
this>, he steps down due to injury, the man on the bench steps in and 
continues the "legacy".   Every chance existed that Young would fall to shit 
on the field, or the recievers couldnt adjust, maybe he's not as slick 
with clock management or reading the D, finding the open man,  etc...

I agree Bono would have done an equally good job, but the point of him being 
an MVP is that he DIDNT fall to shit when the chips were down.

My personal opinion:  QB's are ALWAYS an easy target for MVPs, in fact a 
little too much.  Obviously a Very visible position, easy to rate.  It is 
the fact that he has an incredible 2 yr qb rating that gained him this 
honor.  

(ob 9er bash)
-CHOKE Your butts off in the playoffs!  PLEEEEEEEZEEEEEE  :-)
ALN
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:51:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.131408.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk     
               writes...
>So chew on that you self-serving, arogant illigitimates.
> 
>Real men play soccer
> 
>Hamish

This is an interesting comment. Most people call us in the States illiterate 
dumb people, not illegitimate (Note: spelling) if that is what Hamish means. I 
guess Hamish is also calling all of us in the States children as well since 
children are typically the people called illegitimate. I do admit to being 
somewhat arrogant but I think that Hamish is also and there is one difference 
between us: I can spell it. d::-)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: srs@bnr.ca (Shailesh Sutarwala)
Subject:  Scores ???
Originator: srs@bcrks84
Reply-To: srs@bnr.ca (Shailesh Sutarwala)
Organization: Bell-Northern-Research (BNR)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:50:02 GMT



Could someone please post the scores from the last week of regular season ?

Thanks.
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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:28:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: BNR, Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.194817.18066@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, pws2n@vision1.ee.Virginia.EDU (Philip Weaver Smith) writes:
|> In article <1i9qa1INNk95@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
|> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
|> |> In article <103612@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
|> (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
|> |>  >
|> |>  >BRING 'EM ON......
|> |>  >All you dallas fans must be sweating han!!!
|> |> 
|> |> Think again homey, Emmitt gonna romp and Emmitt gonna stomp.....
|> |> I guess that thrashing we gave you on Nov 1 slipped your mind, 
|> |> Emmitt 163 yards, Play like yesterday and it's gonna be a long 
|> |> long day...Hell in the first game we turned the ball over four times
|> |> and were still in the game late.
|> |> 
|> |> DALLAS COWBOYS
|> |> NFC EAST CHAMPIONS
|> (Because you didn't play a single tough team outside the division!)
|> (losing to the Rams. . . Come on! )

Except for the KC team that Dallas beat & Philly didn't!
At least, the 'Boys didn't have to rely on the stupidity of Phoenix head
coach to beat the Cards!  By the way, how did the Igglets let Seattle take
them into over time?

|> |> RESTED AND READY !!!!
|> |> tim
|> |> 
|> 
|> Now, for those with short memories . . 
|> 
|> Philly at Dallas 10 - 20.
|> Dallas at Philly 7 - 31.
|> 
|> Now which is a thrashing?

Does it matter?  Looks like a home & home series to me.  And guess who's
at home this week...DALLAS! 

|> 
|> The Eagles are back and if they stay in the zone could go
|> all the way . . . . 
|> 
|> GO EAGLES!!!!
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> 


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From: bernie@lgc.com (Bernie De La Torre)
Subject: Re: Reeves to Houston!
Organization: Landmark Graphics LGC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:40:03 GMT

In article <C0DD5A.JBM@csn.org>, pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
|> A very hot rumor in Denver is that Dan Reeves will be the head coach for the
|> Houston Oilers next year. 
|> 
|> He may not win the Super Bowl with the Oilers but at least they'll get there.
|> 
|> Seriously, can anyone in the Huston area confirm this rumor?
|> 
|> pmichals
|> 
|> 

The Oilers defensive coordinator Jim Eddy and defensive backs coach Pat Thomas
were fired yesterday. Eddy had been with Jack Pardee with the University of
Houston and the USFL Gamblers. It was not Pardee's decision, but general
managers Mike Holovak.

Pardee has two years left on his contract and will supposedly be back next year.
However, I can't help but feel that once they start messing with your coaching
staff, you've kind of lost control. I would not be surprised if the Oilers let
Pardee go to. In fact, I think it will happen.

The Dan Reeves rumor was circulating here last night. It's probably no more
than a rumor right now. I think it would be great for the Oilers, though!

Go Dolphins!!!!!!!!!
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From: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment (was: BILLS BILLS BILL
Reply-To: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:07:55 GMT

In article 172300@samadams.inmet, johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.200458.5078@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>   In article <1993Jan4.174932.18395@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>   >In article <1993Jan3.220850.19849@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>   >>  THE BEST MOMENT IN BUFFALO BILLS HISTORY TO DATE!!!!
>
>   >Uh, until they win another title, I will vote for the Bills'
>   >AFL title win in the mid-60's with Jack Kemp as their finest
>   >franchise moment.
>   >
>   >Which event would y'all vote for as "the greatest moment" in
>   >your favorite franchise's history?
>
>   I bet most Niner fans will disagree, but after beating the Bowboys
>   in the '81 NFC title game, the Big Dance, as well as the other
>   Big Dances, was anticlimactic.
>
>in fact, i would bet that this might be the case for fans of several teams.
>
>- green bay beating dallas in the ice bowl, greater than either super blow
>  or any of their other fairly runaway nfl championships of the 60s.
>
>- washington beating dallas for the nfc championship in '72, greater in some
>  ways than their initial super bowl victory in a strike shortened '82
>  season, greater than their second super bowl victory in a strike shortened
>  '87 season, and greater than their third super bowl victory, which was
>  almost expected based on previous super bowl performances.  and greater in
>  some ways than the championships of the late '30s.
>
>- pittsburgh beating dallas/"america's team" in the '76 super bowl, with
>  their red-white-and-blue stripe on the helmet, etc.  being greater than
>  their super bowl of the previous year, or subsequent super bowls.
>
>- detroit blowing out dallas in last year's playoff, rivaling some of the
>  championship seasons of the 50s.
>
>- even chicago blowing out dallas 44-0 in dallas at the end of the '85
>  season, the rest of the playoffs and super bowl being a denouement to
>  this exhibition of release of years of frustration at looking up at
>  the cowboys from below.
>
>a lot of people hate dallas for a reason, and beating them in a big game in
>a big way means a lot.

Agreed!  My favorite Eagles moment is the Birds NFC championship win over Danny White's Cowpokes in January '81.  Wilbert Montgomery ran for about 190 yards as Dick Vermeil's Birds played their best game ever.  Let's hope Sunday provides a similar memory!

KRM
From: chf0@bunny.gte.com (Curt Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: Chargers D WINS IT!
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:14:09 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <1993Jan4.185323.12024@kadsma.kodak.com>,
pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes: 
|>
|> Right. The Chargers will have trouble against the Skins or
|> 49ers, both of whom have a 'multi-faceted offense'. The
|> Dolphins, despite of years of trying to put together a
|> running game, still don't have one. If you can stop Marino,
|> you can stop the Dolphins. And this years Dolphin OL is
|> clearly more porous that previous editions. The Charger
|> D should have a good time pressuring/sacking Marino.

Well, before we all go jumping off the bridge together, I have a
couple of comments.  The Miami offensive line has not had a great
year, that's true.  But if you look at the way that they have played,
you can see that their worst games were all when Jeff Uhlenake, the
starting center was out with an injury.  

Also, the Offensive line has been playing - well - very sloppily.
They keep getting stupid mistakes and cheap penalties.  If the
offensive line that played against Buffalo in week 4 shows up - look
for the Chargers to be kept to less than 3 sacks.

And despite their questionable performance for part of the year,
Marino was still the only QB in the league to hit the 4000 yard
passing mark.  You can't shake him up just by hitting him once or
twice.

The other thing to consider is that if you take the Dolphins rushing
game for granted, they can surprise you.  With Paige blocking and
Bobby Humphrey running, the running game can't be ignored.

But, like the Bills yesterday and the Redskins on Saturday, I don't
think that I'd take the Dolphins' inconsistent performance in the last
few weeks of the season as a good indicator of the way they'll play in
the playoffs.

|> Don Pajerek

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions
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From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: Re: Saints (Carl Smith has got to go!)
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:33:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.204841.1288@altair.selu.edu>,
scsd1055@altair.selu.edu writes:

>        Gee.  How do you begin to describe this one?  I guess
>Fred Barnett said it best, "we didn't give up, although it looked like
>the Saints gave up."  Oh how true!
>

Are we doomed to suffer like this forever??

>
>                        GET RID OF CARL!
>
>        Saints fans... I ask you to look back at the last three Saints
>losses (San Fran, Bills, and the Eagles) this season and tell me what you
>see in common?
>
>        1) Total offensive collapse in the second half of all three games
>
>        2) Bizarre offensive play calling during the second half
>
>        3) Production of productive offensive players in the first half
>           verses their production in the second half.
>           [Let me clarify.  When certain players become productive (Heyward)
>            it seems that their involvement in the overall game plan
>            diminishes!]
>
>        Now who has control over these three?  The offensive coordinator.
>

I don't think you can ignore #4 - total defensive collapse in the 4th
quarter, especially against the 9ers and Eagles.  Against the Bills I
know what happened - went to the damned 'prevent' waaaaaaayyyyy too early.
But especially this past Sunday, I'm at a loss as to what happened to the D.

I don't disagree with any of your points about the offensive 'strategy' or
play calling.  I'm just not sure how decisions are made during a game
on the Saints staff.  How much influence does Mora have over offensive
and defensive play calling?  Something's wrong here for sure - on *both*
sides of the ball.

Bill
God help me, I'll always be a Saints fan.
But you're right - I should be thankful I don't pull for the Oilers.
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC West and AFC Central --- 4-team division advantages
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:25:25 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

Let me give one reason that I feel the NFC East is stronger than the NFC
West, despite a worse out-of-division record.

The 4-team divisions have *each* team in their division play *both* the
5th-place teams in the other two divisions in their conference.  I
imagine that for the NFC West, this means that *each* team got to play the
Cardinals and Buccaneers, a total of eight out-of-division "gimme" games
in which they even failed to mount a perfect record [49ers-Cardinals, if
nothing else.]

Does anyone want to confirm that the Cardinals and the Buccaneers were
indeed the lucky recipients of 5th-place schedules?

- Stephen

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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Grass field at 49er's
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:22:42 GMT

In article <1itigrINNcrb@male.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg) writes:
>
>I just saw on the local (SF) news that they are replacing the
>torn up grass at Candlestick.  The groundskeeper said that they
>are removing the blugrass (destroyed Sat.) with new bermuda
>grass.
>
>Is this legal?

According to KGO Radio (flagship station of the 49ers) this morning,
24,000 sq of new sod arrived at the Stick at 6am today (1/12/93).
All the sod between the hashmarks will be replaced if possible.
The grass is a combination of bermuda and rye - which was recommended
by Tomo, the expert groundskeeper of the NFL (used to/still does
work for the KC Chiefs).

The reason that it might not be possible to replace all the sod
(even though the groundskeepers have been working 24 hours straight
since the Saturday game) is that there is a BIG storm coming tonight
that will continue until Weds night.  Then there is ANOTHER storm
coming Fri that will continue through Sat.  The current forecast is
for a dry Sunday - UNLESS the Friday storm stalls.

>
>Anyhow, this should help the Cowboys, IMHO.

Cowboys still have to beat the 49ers at the Stick, something they
haven't done in a decade!

>
>Greg
From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MVP question
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:21:27 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

Just a short question after reading a lot of Young being MVP this year.

Is he the MVP or is he a (maybe favourite candidate)?

If the MVP isn't choosen yet, when will this be done?

Michael
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: No Cowboys 'D' in Pro Bowl
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:50:46 GMT

In article <ljqq0qINN73l@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just) writes:
>In article <Bztz8t.4ry@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>Does anyone feel it was right that no Dallas Cowboy players made it to the Pro
>>Bowl this year? They have the #1 defense in the league. Granted their defense
>>is much more a 'team' defense rather than a couple of players excelling at a
>>certain position, I feel that they at least deserved one person from their
>>squad on the Pro Bowl roster to represent the team. I know that the Pro Bowl
>>rosters are voted on.... I just makes me mad that the Cowboys have worked so
>>hard on defense this year and got the #1 ranking and no one from the team made
>>it to the Pro Bowl.
>>
>>Eric
>
>The Cowboys do have a great defense, but they are good because they work well
>as a team.  The Pro Bowl recognizes outstanding individuals, not teams.  It
>does not follow that if a defense is good it must have good individual
>players (although the converse is often true).  I notice that in your article
>you do not mention any Cowboys defensive players who deserve to make the Pro
>Bowl.  In my opinion, the best players on the Cowboys' defense are Charles
>Haley, Jim Jeffcoat, and Ken Norton.  But I doubt that these players are better
>than the defensive ends and linebackers who were elected to the Pro Bowl.
>
>A defense should not be judged by the number of players it has in the Pro
>Bowl.  And, as we have seen, good defenses sometimes have few (or no) players
>in the Pro Bowl.
>
Much better said!  Although Haley's numbers are down, Jeffcoat's numbers are
incredible for the short amount of time he is on the field.  And Ken Norton
would not beat out Wilbur Marshall or the Saints crew, because he doesn't 
have to do as much as they do.  In a good defense, the wealth is spread 
throughout the defense.  Just face it folks, Da 'Boys are here to stay! :-)

Hmm...would you get rid of Jeffcoat, Tolbert, and Casillas for Reggie White?

Mario


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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Analysis of Eagles vs Cowboys 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:33:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:

>rushers is likely to get a 100 yards against Dallas.  Having given up 160 yards
>to Emmit last game, the Eagles are almost sure to contain him this time.  I
>don't think people realize that Emmit has never done well against the Eagles
>until the last game.  Finally, one has to wonder,

Your deduction:
  Emmit ran for over 160 yards in the last game, therefore he will not
  do well in the next game and has never done well agains the Eagles.

Oh I see ... geessshhh

Look, I will listen to reason, but looking at these four lines I have to
consider whether your post contains any.

		-Ron
From: tseng-neill@yale.edu (Neill Tseng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Running out the clock with the R&S
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:33:08 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1993Jan4.193436.18622@ncar.ucar.edu> hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond) writes:
>
>With the new rules the clock keeps running even on incomplete passes
>and players going out of bounds until the final 5 minutes of the
>2nd and 4th quarters.  So, if you can hang onto the ball in any
>offense you can run out the clock.  What was Houston's time of 
>possession in the first half, something like 24 minutes?  They had
>a couple of drives in excess of 10 plays.  Doesn't seem like R&S
>is the problem here.  The toughest part of the R&S has historically
>been scoring once you reach the "red zone".  It is a short field and
>no tight end or big backs to help bang it in.
>
>   Steve H.
>
	The argument that the R&S can't score in the red zone is a myth.
	I think in the Houston Chronicle the other day, it listed stats for
	scoring inside the red zone this season, and the Oilers were second
	in percentage of times scoring to the 49ers.  I think the Oilers had
	a higher TD percentage, though.  In short, I think this argument is
	outdated.  It plagued the Oilers in 1990, but I think they have
	overcome it the past two years.


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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Another Mike for new Bears coach . . .
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:03:20 GMT


*stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
 
*> *Singletary! Wuddayathink?

*>  Sounds good... but he has no experience and has stated
*>  that he does not want to coach for now. The Bears had 
*>  already offered him a job as assistant linebackers coach
*>  and he turned it down.

*As for his not having had coaching experience...in a recent post, someone  
*mentioned that Ditka hadn't had any when he started either.


 Ditka was an assistant coach with the Cowboys for a number of years
 before becoming Head Coach for the Bears. I find it highly unlikely
 that any owner would hire a player as Head Coach without any prior
 coaching experience. Then again, owners are the most intelligent
 people in the world ;)

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Nobody Does it Better
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:36:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204638.18445@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, carol@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (alan.galinsky) writes:
> I really don't understand all this Madden bashing.
> Big John's not perfect but who does a better job?
> 
> Maybe I am in the minority but I enjoy John's insight, observations
> and humor.  I think he has the ability to point out subtleties that
> can make a dull game interesting and an interesting game a classic.
> 
> Again, who do you think does a better job than John?  Better yet,
> which team does a better job than Pat and John?  
> 
> 




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