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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@GIRTAB.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Psychometrics
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              "KMORGAN%WHEATNMA.BITNET@VM.usc.edu" at Aug 12, 92 12:22 pm

OH GREAT!!

Thanks, Kathy.  I guess since I had work-study all through college and now have
an RA ship paying my way through grad school, I should expect to be
here a looonnnngggg tttiiiimmmmeeee!!!!!!  :)   :)   :)   :)   :)

Stephanie in L.A. (I hope there are no smog alerts in DC, cuz I'm DYIN' to
get some exercise!)
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From:         "Walter M. Lakey" <psy9wml@CABELL.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      labrys
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Ellen
Tabor's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary came close with "labrum"-the
upper lip of and insect; and "labret"-a distinctive plug worn in a
pierced in the lips of adolescent boys of certain primitive people.

Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary retreated from the word with
dismayed confusion.

What's a "labrys?"

intriguedly yours,

walter
psy9wml@cabell.VCU.edu
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From: amead@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Alan Mead)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:38:18 GMT

Gerri Oppedisano <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM> writes:

>Why don't you (the advocates of the GRE) run studies on how well GRE scores
>correlate with graduate grades?

#include <sense of humor>

How would you design such a study?  Here's my patented formula:

Select 100 schools at random.  Admit everyone who applies.  Wait until
these students retire or die.  Compute a criterion (or criteria if you
wrote that into the contract).  Compute correlation.

Send grant money to:

Alan D Mead 
603 E Daniels 
Champaign, IL 61802

(And if your study design isn't as good as mine, I'm not going to okay
your grant when its sent to me, as an expert in testing, to review.)

As an aside, Fischer or someone actually convinced some organization
(the Air Force, I believe) to do the above study for a training
school.  Wow.

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From:         "Walter M. Lakey" <psy9wml@CABELL.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      thanx
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To Eric Z. and Kenn W.;
      Thanks much for your rapid replies and good information re
Spielberger's STAS.

peace,
walter lakey
psy9wml@cabell.vcu.edu
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From: amead@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Alan Mead)
Subject: Re: Predictive (in)validity
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:16:51 GMT

I see I'm just a face in the crowd, but here's my $0.02:

Fred Detwiler <ST8330@SIUCVMB.BITNET> writes:

>     Why is the GRE so heavily relied upon?  It's predictive validity
>isn't particulary high.

Could you reference that?  I also have to wonder, given the range
restriction, low criterion reliability and small sample szie here,
how does one validate the GRE?

>1.  Moreover, the criterion for success is usually performance in
>    grad school (either passing comps or getting a Ph.D. at the
>    more realistic end to grad school grades at the other).

You know.  When I took testing as an undergrad they showed us the
reliability-vailidity-selection ratio tables and I started thinking
like that.  But frankly, in grad school as in the real(er) world, 
what you do is decide how many slots you have to fill and then accept
the top X people.  Now, given that the top X+10 people could have 
succeeded (ie, that you are always going to have a lot more able
people than positions) I don't see how the GRE's validity, per se, is
much of an issue. Our division definitely discards applicants that 
don't appear to want a PhD (ie, say they might stop after getting a
masters etc).   Yet they still have to use something to order the
top 20 or so.

Most of the attrition that I've seen is due to a lack of (or change
in) interest in getting a PhD, teaching, leaving their SO, etc.  I've
only seen one person "fluck" out.

>Is psychology about money (cf people, animals, etc.)?

No.  Everything is political.  (BUt politics is all about money.)

-alan
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From:         lisa <SMITH1@UCC.UWINDSOR.CA>
Subject:      srcd
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David, thanks for the info on SRCD.  I'll be sure to ask the Developmental
people in my department for more info.  It's nice to know that others
have had good experiences.  Thanks again,

Lisa, in Windsor
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From:         Gerri Oppedisano <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      cheating
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> Hi! I am quite new to this dialogue and PSYCGRAD and someone may have
>already discussed this angle but...what about those students who cheated
> their ways through undergraduate courses? What does that do to the
> predictions of success in grad school? Is it possible to cheat on the
> GRE? (I have yet to take it, oh the math!)
> Linda
> Go Raiders!

Anyone who's THAT good at cheating all the way through undergrad
deserves to get into grad school and flunk! (-:

Have you really known anyone who was able to cheat that well? I'm really
curious.. Anyone I've known who's cheated in any class had never managed
to do all that well in the end.

g
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Subject:      anonymous exams

>That might be so in a situation where they know the writer of the
>exam paper that they are grading, but don't you have anonymous exam
>scripts (just a number) like we do in the UK?

Not usually past the second year of studies.  The university
was small, and in a class of 14, when the grades are based
almost entirely on submitted papers, it wouldn't be difficult
to identify an individual writer anyway.

Jesse
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BECAUSE although English is "universal" it is not everyone's first
language,so "we are equal, but some are more equal than others".
All learning a new language/Esperranto becoming everybody's first
language would be more equal, surely?

OK, here's REALLY going out on a limb--do we really WANT everybody
to speak one universal language? I mean, we're talking about
academics here, not world policy.  Seems to me that there IS a
universal language in academics.  If you want one that encompases
more than that, I'll balk.  I can see the advantages, but not if it
results in the consumption of people's individual cultures, and not
if it's purpose is to quash diversity rather than to celebrate it.

        --Kathy
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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Subject headings

HERE, HERE!  I agree whole-heartedly: please watch the subject heading,
so that it's still appropriate!  I don't even think I'm "kvetching" either!

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
    I hate to nag, but with the volume of Psycgard mail these days the
inclusion of subject headings is particularly necessary for those of us who
are not involved in the discussions and who don't want to read all the mail.
    Please do remember to use your subject line!
    Nangel (kvetch, kvetch, kvetch!) @ UCLA
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From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
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Subject:      Re: Computer Languages
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What is the difference between c++ and C language.
From: gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM (Gerri Oppedisano)
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> However, there IS the fact of recognition of handwriting....hmmmmmm...can
 anyone
>  solve THAT one?!
>
> Julie
> St Andrews

Have everything be computer based! In fact, the students shouldn't even
need to leave their dorm room except to go to lab!

(How dreary that would be though..)
gerri
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From:         MARTHA@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject:      Re: cheating
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I know of students (particularly in the Greek system) who essentially
manage to buy their way through their undergrad years ... mostly by having
others write papers for them, and even take their exams for them (for a
large fee.  I specify in the Greek system, because they seem to have files
of papers and old exams available through their houses.  Although this works
for many classes and may get them a few good grades, I'm sure in other classes
these things are not possible, and these students barely pass those courses.
I think it is true that it would be very difficult to really cheat all the
way through, and have decent grades.

MG
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From:         Julie Marie Williams <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Psychometrics

..."In a class of 300 students, one can submit papers in anonymity, even
with one's name on them.  In a class of 4 or 5, such as I have now--
even a code number becomes associated with the person to whom it
belongs....."

Not true.
In a large class, surely the lecturer will know at least SOME of the students
by name?  Which would give them an unfair advantage, as we already discussed.
And the idea of anonymous numbering is that SOMEBODY ELSE allocates the
numbering so that the marker NEVER gets to see associated name/number pairs.
Otherwise it is pointless.

However, there IS the fact of recognition of handwriting....hmmmmmm...can anyone
 solve THAT one?!

Julie
St Andrews
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From:         JCV@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      GRE commentary-part 324

First, I was not offended by the GRE commentary.
I just begged to differ.
Now I beg to differ again.
The point has been made that if you can't do well
on a standardized test, then you shouldn't be in
academia. (Simplified).  The other point made was
it's better to base admission on a standardized test
than on an interview, and I think it was said that
basing admission on an interview was 'scary.'  I am
in a clinical program (uh-oh, I admitted it, I want to
be a clinician and still get a Ph.D.) where GRE's are used
as a cut-off measure to determine who gets an interview.
Now what if I do great on the GREs and look like an
incredible candidate, but I'm also well known to my
family, local police and FBI as a confirmed anti-social
personality.  (An extreme example, since as an anti-social
personality, I would not want to become a psychologist).  Do
you think an interview would help clarify for the admissions
committee whether or not I would be a good candidate for
clinical psychology and a good contributing member  of the
field in the future?  Or do you think they should admit me
on the basis of my stellar GRE's?

Now I will admit that there are a few people I know who are
in a clinical program and had good GRE's and made it through
the interview, and really should not become clinicians for
a variety of reasons, ethical and otherwise.  So even with
all of the factors, there is just no figuring out who will
be a good student (not just in cousework) and who will not.

By the way, in my program, we hear "all students get an A or
a B, and hardly anyone will ever ask you what your grades
were, they will only want to know what coursework you've
completed, what practical experience you have, and maybe
what your dissertation was about."  We also hear: "There is no
difference between a B Ph.D. and an A Ph.D."

I'm sure that last comment will get people going.

Jennifer in D.C. (where it hailed yesterday)

P.S. This weather comment reminds me that I wanted to tell
those people coming to this lovely area for APA that they
should remember to bring an umbrella as we get sudden
thunderstorms in the late afternoon, regularly and often.
(Of course, now people will bring umbrellas and it won't rain
the entire time.)
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From:         NANCY BRITON <BRITON@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cheating

Kenn,
If the university maintains a file of papers and tests for students to use,
then it isn't cheating.  If the instructor expects students to NOT have a
copy, and a group of students have it, then it is cheating.

My Greek friend doesn't object to the term "Greek," he objects to
people who aren't Greek using the term to describe themselves.  Boys who
are in a fraternity have no right, according to him, to call themselves
Greek.  He objects to casual phrases like "Greek culture" and "the Greek
system" to describe fraternity culture and fraternity/sorority systems
on a college campus.

nancy at northeastern
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From:         Gerri Oppedisano <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      manic depression
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It's amasing that I've already gotten 4 responses to my post and they all say
the same sort of thing: the meds for manic depression deaden ALL feelings or
at least makes a person feel too "even" or too boring or dopey..

Thanks so much to all who've responded so far! If anyone else knows anything
regarding this or knows of any specific research in this area, I'm still
interested to hear more.

Again, thanks..
gerri
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Subject: Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

August 14:

        Jc writes:

>Yes, learning the english language and dominent cultural morres of
>academia help indeed.  However, a sizable minority faces a two-
>edged sword in this, here in U.S.  Many native americans are keenly
>aware of the massive distances from their own cultures to the
>dominent/english cultur.  Many are faced with a simple and painful
>choice: acculturate or remain in poverty-frequently on
>"reservations."

>For many, English is the language they are most familiar with, but
>formal higher education and its approach to the world are frequently
>antithetical to traditional values and social expectations of these
>groups.

>In this instance, language is only one of several factors
>influencing participation and function in educational work.  Note
>that many of these persons have received substandard educations-
>tied to their ethnic and Socio-economic conditions.  Thus, being
>raised in an English-speaking environment is not always equal.

        JC--I agree wholeheartedly!  In the ideal world (sadly not
the real world!) all of the many voices in this country would be
respected and valued.  And colleges would strive to teach those who
were not fluent how to speak and value their language, while
learning from those folks about THEIR language.  I've tried to do
this when teaching writing across the curriculum.  Students start
out writing in their own style, whatever that might be.  We talk
about all of these, what their strengths are, how they differ from
one another, etc.  And then I introduce writing for the Ivory Tower--
not so much as a prescription, but as a second language.  It seems
to work pretty well--no one's feelings are hurt and the students
approach it all with less dread and more challenge.
        But this is a very rare approach, I think.  Personally, I
loved teaching the non-traditional, underprepared students.  It was
only California economics that sent me back here to the east coast
to teach rich white kids.  Frankly, I'm not getting any psychic
dollars here, and would love to go back to my underpriveledged
students!
--Kathy
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

    Somebody wrote:
>If you are going to compete in an American school then you need to know the
>language and customs of Americans...
    Which seems to bring us back -somewhat- to the Olympics discussion:
    Why must one look at graduate school as a competition?
    Sure, you try to do your best, to pass the multiple hurdles along the
way, but why insist on making this a competition? I thought one left that
behind after the infamous GREs...
    Nangel :)
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From:         NANCY BRITON <BRITON@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject: Re: GRE debate

Grades in college are a better predictor of graduate school success than
GRE scores.  Grades in high school are a better predictor of college success
than SAT scores.  At least that's what I remember reading.  Does anyone
else think this?

I agree with (sorry, I don't remember who) the person who suggested using
GRE scores only for those who don't have conventional grades on their college
records.  It definately is a large expense to prep for and take the test.
And then they charge $7 or so to send out a Xerox copy to your prospective
schools!

If the GRE was a measure of general ability, as someone (sorry, I don't know
who that was either) suggested, how could you study for it and do better?

nancy at northeastern
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Subject:      Re: GRE etc

....what about those students who cheated
their ways through undergraduate courses? What does that do to the
predictions of success in grad school? Is it possible to cheat on the
GRE?

Linda, I don't think anyone's looked at this question, directly.
It's an interesting idea.  My recollection of the GRE "experience"
is that it is DAMN hard to cheat--you're spread out in the room,
staggered, with test books with the sections in all different
orders, and a person with a bullwhip (actually, it just feels like
that!:) ) at the front, patrolling the room and breathing down your
neck every minute.  They practically strip-search you before
allowing you in the room, etc.  Good luck!  PRACTICE is the best
strategy!!!
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From:         Don Gallogly <EUP_DG@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SAS list

>*******************************************************************************
   *
>            /^\ - /^\        Ellen Galloway
>           (   lxl   )       Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu
>            \ /l l\ /
>               l l           A mind is a terrible thing to waste
>               l_l
>*******************************************************************************

What the HECK is THAT!!??!??!!
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              92 6:26 pm

==>
==> >
==>
 >******************************************************************************
==>  *
==> >    *
==> > >            /^\ - /^\        Ellen Galloway
==> > >           (   lxl   )       Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu
==> > >            \ /l l\ /
==> > >               l l           A mind is a terrible thing to waste
==> > >               l_l
==> >
==>
 >******************************************************************************
==>  *
==>
==>
==> My guesses:
==>
==> 1)  A new projective test
==> 2)  A flacid phallus
==> 3)  An elephant (topical because of the convention)
==>
==> Eric Zorrilla
==>

	"x" marks the thalamus?
	Pin the "x" on the amygdala?
	A cerebellum celebration?

	Are we having fun yet?


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Subject:      Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

 If you are going to compete in an American school, then you need to
know the language and customs of Americans.

The only thing is--what IS an "American" these days?  The
populations in the US that will increase the most (180% in the next
decade) is Hispanic!  What I said is what I meant--to attend
college, you need to know the language and customs of academia.

We have a Chinese man who arrived here last Fall. His first trip out
of his country. He spoke little English. Everybody else felt sorry
for him, made special concessions for him, etc. Because of this he
was graded differently from everyone else. He was let into the
program, partially because of the novelty.

If that is true, it is a pity.  But surely his credentials (albeit
in Chinese) were worth something!

--Kathy
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