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From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: mail problems - /etc/aliases
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.174418.15529@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
>
>We have many large aliases in /etc/aliases, which are
>defined using :include:file notation.
>
>The problem that we find is that some of the users in the
>"file" do not receive mail sent to the "alias-name".  Is
>there a problem if the number of users in the "file"
>exceeds a certain number ?  Surprisingly, the users who
>do not receive these mails are almost the same each time,
>though we are not very sure about this.

Chances are you have a local user in :include: file with 'f' as the
second letter in the login name.  If so, you probably have a broken
version of /bin/mail, and you need to install SunOS patch 100224.
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: how to copy boot-tapes
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:19:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The following bounced and I'm not going to mess with mailers over which I
have no control; besides, the info "may" be useful to others, too.

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 w8hd.org (ddn)... 550 Host unknown
554 <kimc@w8hd.org>... 550 Host unknown (Valid name but no data [address])
   ----- Unsent message follows -----
Hi!

Re:
|  Is it possible to use your program to create a bootable 4.1.2 tape?
|  I have only a tape drive here and if I could use that to recover from
|  an 'accident' rather than go out and rent the CD unit again... It would
|  be great. How about recovering from back-up tape of the system rather than
|  booting off a 'boot-tape?'

Not to create a boot-tape from scratch, per se.

The "trick" that tprobe uses is to write logical blocks and "file marks" at
exactly the same points as they appear on original SunOS boot tapes.  Thus,
in a sense, it's writing variable-length "logical" records.

If one knew precisely what files (and their order) that are supposed to appear
on a boot tape, then one could write a trivial (yes, no fooling) C program and
script to create a new boot tape from scratch (from files on one's disk(s)).

The real trick would be knowing the format of the special "table of contents"
save-set(s) that appear on a SunOS boot tape.  I just have never analyzed any
of the boot tapes here, but it shouldn't be too difficult to glean assuming
one had the time (or the incentive! :-)   Most the save-sets on a SunOS boot
tape are simply compressed tar files (I learned that early in the game).

Sorry I don't have more specific information at this time, but I do intend
to figure it out "Real Soon Now", since I have SunOS 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.*
ONLY on CD-ROM and I'd like to have tape counterparts to be able to at least
boot into a mini-root.  I just don't like the total dependence on a single
media type.

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Reply-To: flog@open.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:11:39 GMT

 
> While the quoted sentiments may reflect the opinions of a large number
> of current or recent Sun users, they DO NOT reflect Sun's current market
> strategy.  Sun is going after the MIS market and probably couldn't care
> less what several thousand engineers, scientists and assorted techies
> think.  They want their systems on the desktops of Corporate America and
> they are doing what they feel will get them there.

We're working for a 100 machines Sun project in 'Corporate Switzerland' and I  
can tell you that it just doesn't work for end-users - I mean real end-users.  
Sun tried hard with Open Windows, but it's one piece of a crippled software  
that frustrates both end-users and system managers if they loose their files in  
FileManager leaving nothing core files.

And if you look at software development Sun is just another Unix shop  
delivering outdated X and charging for C.

Still Sun is the best of the 'classic' workstation manufacturers, but there is  
one company the thinks - NeXT will probably take more and more of corporate  
america just check out the recents contracts with Chrysler and Mobil Oil (2500  
NeXTSTEP licenses and $US 3m for hardware).


-Florian
flog@open.ch
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From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.x: resistance to it?
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:50:36 GMT

In article <rhoward.722106436@matd> rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:
>Thomas.Weihrich@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Thomas Weihrich) writes:
>
>>Yes, at Augsburg University folks are not moving to Solaris 2.x.
>>We could have gotten it for free (Software maintenance contract), but we
>>will not renew the contract and run SunOS 4.1.2 instead.
>>Sun's new products aren't an option anyway, because we cannot run SunOS
>>4.1.? on them. So I guess we'll be using the Sun machines until they
>>break apart and then move to a different vendor (probably DEC).
>
>I just don't understand this...
>
>You don't want to change operating systems.  I assume this is 
>because of the learning curve and the cost of new software.
>
>So instead you will hang onto your Suns until you are forced to
>buy new machines from DEC (or HP or whoever) which *run a new 
>and different OS* !!
>
>Does nobody see the irony in this?
>

out of the frying pan and into the fire!

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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: SPARCprinter page counts
Keywords: SPARCprinter page counts
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:46:04 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <27434@dog.ee.lbl.gov> joe@msri.org writes:
<How does one get a SPARCprinter page count? I've been told some mumbo-jumbo
<about the invisible buttons on the LED panel, but I can only get numbers
<which are invariant accross our three SPARCprinters, an extremely unlikely
<coincidence for actual page counts. Is there some documented way which
<doesn't involve such a hostile interface?

Step 1) Use NeWSprint 2.0
Step 2) look at the file /usr/spool/sparc/acct
Step 3) extract necessary information

The location of the acct file is site dependent.  But, step 1) is necessary,
since NeWSprint 1.0 didn't have accounting support.
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From: kordash@linus.mitre.org (John L. Kordash)
Subject: ifconfig and broadcast
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:11:45 GMT


Hello,

I am trying to set the broadcast address for a bunch of machines running
SunOS4.1.3.  As installed from CDROM, there are two ifconfig lines in the
/etc/rc* files.  Both are of the form:

ifconfig le0 hostname netmask + broadcast +

I am picking up the correct netmask from our NIS server, however the broadcast
address is being set to XXX.XXX.XXX.0 instead of XXX.XXX.XXX.255.

I understand that I can easily edit each and every client's rc.local to change
the '+' to the proper broadcast, but I was hoping to not have to do this.

In addition, the Nutshell book _Managing NFS and NIS_ by Hal Stern mentions
that the broadcast address will be set to either 0's or 1's depending upon
"your system's choice of a default broadcast addreses" (pg 215).  

This leads me to believe that I can change the broadcast address from the zeros
form to the ones form.  Can anyone point me to where I should look to do this.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-John

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From: frank0@ibmpcug.co.uk (Frank Dunn)
Subject: Re: Disturbing News about Printing Under Solaris 2.1
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:51:10 GMT

The LX comes with a parallel port as standard. You don't need an SBus 
parallel card.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jens@abo.fi (Jens Granlund DC)
Subject: Fujitsu 2694SA
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:07:39 GMT


Hi

I am looking for a format.dat entry for a Fujitsu 2694SA drive.
I have not found it in format.faq.

Jens Granlund
Abo Akademi University
jens@abo.fi

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From: mfb@tera.com (Mark Beauchamp)
Subject: Seagate ST42400N cache OK?
Reply-To: mfb@tera.com
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:07:28 GMT

I've had problems in the past with the READ-AHEAD cache on the
Maxtor P-17S (1.7GByte) disk under SunOS4.1.2 and have heard that
in general any such cache should be disabled.

I've just brought in a Seagate ST42400N 2.4GByte drive.  It sports
a 192kb read-ahead cache... or at least I think it does.  I have it
attached at 'esp0 target 1' on a 4/690MP.   

Does anyone have any wisdom or experience with regard to read-ahead
SCSI disk caching under SunOS?  And more specifically, should the
'format.dat' stanza for the Seagate ST42400N have 'cache = 0x00 :' or
'cache = 0x11 :' ?

This is what I'm currently using:

disk_type = "Seagate Elite II ST42400N cache disabled" \
        : cache = 0x00 : trks_zone = 19 : asect = 6 \
        : ctlr = SCSI : fmt_time = 6 \
        : ncyl = 2624 : acyl = 2 : pcyl = 2627 : nhead = 19 : nsect = 83 \
        : rpm = 5400 : bpt = 42496

Thanks!

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:46:19 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>(2) We will have to revise and recompile the source we maintain -- at
>least if we want optimal performance.  This is a chore that will affect
>end-users and system administrators alike.  (Of course, if the code
>is designed to link with the System V libraries, something Sun has been
>encouraging customers to do for quite a while, this shouldn't be much
>of a burden.)

Plus, Solaris 2.x is one of the SVR4-based releases that includes the
"BSD compatibility" package, so you may not have to revise your source
as much as you would if you were converting it to run in an SV
environment, or at least not have to do so immediately.
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadenc,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Configuring swap space for Cadence tools
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:43:43 GMT

olsenc@carson.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen) writes:
: Hello:
: 
: We are planning to get Cadence design tools for our
: Sun Sparc IPX's.
: 
: Since we have the dinky 207Mbyte local hard disks, we have to
: be stingy with our swap space.
: 
: Does anyone have any experience as to how much swap is needed
: for this package?

Per a friend who deals with this stuff. -- Follow their requirements
of 100M swap (if they are running opus...)... Sorry
: 
: Thanks in advance.
: 
: -Clint

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jpf@uuhelio.uucp (Jeff Francis)
Subject: Re: SPARCprinter reversing the page order
Organization: HelioCentric Software
	<1eckveINNqoc@plts.uucp>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:34:04 GMT

>While we're talking about SPARCprinters, is there an easy way to get it
>to NOT reverse the page order?

The .param file (i.e., /var/spool/SPARCprinter/.param) has the following:

# if you print face up, set to -b to get pages in correct reading order.
# if you print face down, set to -f to get pages in correct reading order.
STACKORDER=-b; export STACKORDER

If you switch to -f on a SPARCprinter, it won't reverse the pages.

jpf
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: malte@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Malte Uhl)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:25:08 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <BxtCGD.E2w@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
|> In article <Bxt7Mo.4Ft@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> malte@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Malte Uhl) writes:
|> > Whatever you think about SysVr4, Solaris 2.x, ...
|> > You'll love it once you've had a look at AIX.
|> > 
|> > Malte
|> 
|> An IBM salesman phoned a few months ago.  ``I understand you're a Sun
|> site; have you heard that many users are migrating from Sun to RS6000?''
|> 
|> After I'd recovered my breath, I asked him if he knew WHY we happened to
|> have six 4/470en downstairs waiting for shipment to a turnkey customer.
|> No, he didn't.  I told him.  It was because the project had started on
|> RS6000en which were so unpleasant that we ported the project during
|> alpha-test and sold the Blue boxes.
|> 
|> He didn't call back.
|> 
|> ian
|> 
|> 

Same over here: In the past year or so, six RS6000 were bought and installed.
We ( the sys-admins ) have not been able to get these beasts running stable.
Now it's considered to purchase a Sparc 10 as a server machine for the RS6000
pool to have a reliable server.
Compared to the RS6000s it was very easy to port all our local software to
Solaris 2.0, including X11 (server and clients), GNU software and local
stuff, even without BSD compatibility libraries.

We were quite skeptic about porting to solaris 2 because none of us had
experience with SysV before: It has been a pleasant surprise.
Of course, there are some things left to improve and correct in solaris 2.
I expect sun to put a lot of work into that in order to convince their
customers to make the transition from BSDish SunOS 4.x to solaris 2.

To summarize : I'm not too happy to have to change to the SysV world but
solaris 2 is not that bad after all. And our experience with IBM, DEC, HP
gives rise to the question "What is the alternative ?"
I admit that the other machines aren't too bad, but all in all Suns still
look good to me.

Malte
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Solaris RTU Licensin
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:41:51 GMT

In article 15574@auspex-gw.auspex.com, guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>  Sun machines as delivered come with a RTU of two users.  If you add
>>Xterminal, one may assume that each one represents one more user of
>>the server hence, one more RTU to buy.  The fact that this is not
>>enforced by the OS doesn't change the legal aspect of it.
>
>Actually, that may not be necessary, *if* Sun is merely passing on the
>requirement that, as I remember, was in AT&T UNIX licenses at one point,
>namely that you had to buy an N-user license based on the number of
>*serial ports on the system to which you attach interactive terminals*.

Heh! Does this mean that our old 4/390:s which came with 4 serial ports
each, have 4 RTU:s while the 4/690 only has two... :-)

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 Phone: +46 8 719 4881
From: elias@mvax.uakom.cs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: /dev/printer
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:46:26 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of automation and communication

Hi !

My printer doesn't print, I have tested port, cable, printer with
other machine - all O.K. I have found there is no /dev/printer
file - maybe it's the problem. How can I create it ( it's
a socket file 0 length ) ?

Thanks,

Lubos.Elias@uakom.cs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: X11R5 on sun4c public-patch-19...
From: senol@caroline.ee.pitt.edu (Senol Kucuk)
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:27:54 GMT
Reply-To: Senol.Kucuk@caroline.ee.pitt.edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pittsburgh, Department of Electrical Engineering,Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition Lab.
X-Md4-Signature: 1f5431a0e86520856ee022cd8d1d993c


	Howdy. I am trying to update my X11R5 distribution from pl6 tp
pl19. However, when building the lib/X, file XConnDis.c won't compile:

> rm -f XConnDis.o shared/XConnDis.o
> cc -c    -I../../.       -DSECURE_RPC -DTCPCONN -DUNIXCONN -DSUNSHLIB -DSHAREDCODE -pic -O XConnDis.c
> "XConnDis.c", line 453: sun_len undefined
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `XConnDis.o'

	Anybody know what this is all about. I didn't have this
problem on pl6 which I currently run. We are running SunOS 4.1.2.

	Thanks in advance...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:29 GMT

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.142814.19110@penny.cs.fredonia.edu> mazumdar@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jin Mazumdar) writes:

>>	   Which makes me think that this would be the ideal time for FSF
>>   (Gnu project) to complete and release their operating system  and have
>>   support for  the new line of Suns.  Anyone know of the status of their
>>   OP  SYS  project?   Going  by their  past record of creating excellent
>>   software, I  would consider runnning FSF's  OP SYS and giving up Sun's
>>   software altogether - at least I'll have access to source.

>dschieb@muse.cv.nrao.edu (Darrell Schiebel) writes:

>>	I would like to see this too, but I don't know of any operating
>>	systems for Suns besides the ones that come directly from Sun.
>>	Are there any?? Inquiring minds want to know...

>Supposedly BSDI will be discussing their plans for a SPARC version at
>SUG.  This still means an OS upgrade, but with BSDI you get source at a
>reasonable price.  A more critical question is how much 3rd party SunOS
>software will run on it, either 4.1X SW or Solaris 2 software.

And the other question: on which Sun hardware will it run? What
periferals will it support? I expect that there will be much
more software for Solaris 2.x than BSDI.
I expect that BSDI for SPARCs will be limited to OS classes,
OS research projects and home use.

Casper
From: jneher@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Neher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: NFS Security with Multinet
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:37:15 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

Hi,

I'm experiencing an NFS security hole that I wonder if anyone
would like to comment about.

We have a Sun 600MP running 4.1.3 with all of the patches Sun
has available on ftp.uu.net.

We are testing an evaluation copy of MultiNet's VMS TCP/IP/NFS etc.
and when we mount a partition from the Sun onto the VAXstation.  Any
users with system level file access on the VAXstation could
move to and look at files in directories not owned by them
with permissions like drwx------.  They couldn't create or overwrite
files in the directory, only cd there and look at them.

I tried exporting the partition in question with and without
the anon=-1 arguement and that didn't make any difference.
I at no time used the -root export arguement.  All I did was add
the VAXstation to the -access list for the exported directory.

At the Sun's system console, messages would appear something like:

nfs_server: weak authentication, source IP address=ipaddress_of_the_vaxstation

Is there some way for me to close this security hole?  This also
happens with partitions exported from a NeXT machine to the VAXstation.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jon Neher



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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: IBM Windows to Sun network -- How?
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:21:41 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


  We have a network of Suns running SunOS, an ethernet network, and
cisco and annex terminal servers providing RS232 ports. 

  A professor with an IBM-compatible laptop, who currently has a Sun
workstation, wants to use his PC instead. In particular, he wants to
be able to use his PC editor and send files to the Unix printer.
He will buy the needed ethernet card if we assure him that we can
connect him. His laptop is a high-end '486 running MSDOS and
MSWindows.

  We currently have a PS/2 on our net using an ethernet card and NCSA
telnet, but this only emulates a terminal. We are looking for
something a little more sophisticates, such as we have for the mac.
 
Any recommendations? I will summarize back to the net. 
thanks, Betsy

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From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Disturbing News about Printing Under Solaris 2.1
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:53:53 GMT

fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:

>I get a strong impression of confusion within Sun.  I get the impression
>that most of Sun expected the transition to be a gradual migration pushed
>throughout 1993.  The Viking multiprocessors were to be a reasonable 
>carrot to encourage sites to make the move.

Pardon? You thought that there would be no major workstation announcement
from Sun this year? From the "world's leading workstation vendor"?

>Then SMCC went and introduced several more new machines in the low end
>and the high end and the whole thing got more rushed.

SPARCcenter 200 was in development for about 3 years. The low end, figure a
good 18 months. Just for the hardware and tooling. The software isn't more
than 6 months behind schedule.

-PaulR.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Subject: 2400bps MNP5 Modem and Sparc2
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2:245/5800.12
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:32:24 GMT

Hello,

I have a problem connecting a 2400bps modem with MNP5 to a 
sparcstation 2. 
I cannot find anything in the manuals about hardware flow control,
if I use tip to dial out, I get the first chars ok, but when
scrolling a 'ls -l' over 25 lines, the modem shows only garbage (this
is independent from  MNP5). When calling the sparc, the problem is the
same... 
Then I tried to etabish a uucp-connection between my SCO-site and the
sparc. After login the chat-script works ok, but then uucico is
started and the last thing that happens is a  "imsg>" message from the
sparc-uucico.
Any hints welcome...

Bye, Olaf



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