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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:11:54 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles will go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl!!

Eagles will go 9-7 an make the playoffs?  At least there's one playoff team in
the AFC.  It's just that Pennsylvania football really sucks against Green Bay!
** Rob **
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:35:31 GMT

A rebuttal from a Dolphin fan to a Dolphin fan:

> Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
> only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.

But the Dolphins could not contain him in the 4th quarter when they really
had to.  I miss John Offerdahl!

> Kelly didn't have a good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.

The Bills did not air it out long very often and so Kelly's numbers did not
look spectacular, but they ran a quick no-huddle offense and threw a lot of 
10-15 yard curls and outs.  Vincent, Oliver, and company made good tackles
to ensure that the short passes did not turn into long ones, but the short
patterns were open all night.  Most of the incompletions were bad throws or
drops, not because of good coverage.  It worries me that the Dolphins had
difficulty with this phase of the game.

> As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
> TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.

Marino was great, wasn't he!  It's like you said, that 3rd quarter drought
killed them, as did the 4 sacks (and several pressures).

> Higgs kept the running game going!

The ground game more or less evaporated after the first drive as far as Higgs
is concerned.  He had a couple of decent runs after that but was mostly 
contained.  I hope Shula noted that Humphries ran effectively against the
Bills once again, just in case the two teams meet again.  And Humphries made
a catch which made him look like a WR.

I think this game was lost because of too many penalties, the loss of the 
ground game in the second half, the Dolphin's inability to get to Kelly, and
their inability to contain Thomas in the 4th quarter.  Plus the fact that 
Buffalo had 0 turnovers and allowed 0 sacks.  Miami plays imperfectly, Buffalo
plays nearly perfectly, and Buffalo wins.


David
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Monday Night Update
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:00:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

This is getting ugly.  Mark Rypien is gonna be a hunted man tomorrow.
The Skins started well enough.  They were able to convert on third downs
with short passes, trick plays (Goodburn faking a punt, Byner trying to
throw a TD... it didn't work) and got a field goal.  Hebert made a really
great play reading the blitz and this set up the first score for NO.  A
pass interference call set up the second.  Score at halftime 14-3.
The big news is Rypien, he'd scrambled and clawed for first downs in the first
haf but in the second half, he was awful.  He kept missing WIDE open
receivers (Clark twice in the first half, Monk a few times in the second) and
the Skins are hurtin' cause of this.  Wonder what's wrong with Ryp?
Skins defense is doing a great job as are the Saints D.


satish nair
go giants


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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Subject: Re: Buffallo Sucks
Keywords: Ron Fedkiw
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.014720.9376@math.ucla.edu>, ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu
(Asher Shamam) writes:
|> 
|> Two things come from Buffallo...steers and queers
|> 
|> The bills have no horns
|> 
|> 
What's the point of this post?

UCLA math SUCKS
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
haahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahah

Add that up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Go Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:31:37 GMT

I can tell you one thing, the Bears did not lose because of Darren
Lewis.  He is something special.  His running style reminded me of
Curt Warner: very low to the ground, slippery, cuts on a dime, and
very fast.
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From: metv@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Raiders
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:14:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1egu5qINNogh@phakt.usc.edu> subrahma@usc.edu (Sudhakar Subrahmanyam) writes:
>I have always wondered why the LA RAIDERS do not have any representation in
>this newsgroup. Does this mean that (according to popular beliefs), their fans
>are confined to the gangs and truck drivers and illeterate people who do not
>have access to the NET?  I still think that they are the team to beat provided 
>everybody in the team get going as a whole, forgetting their squabbles with Al
>Davis. FLames welcome!!
>Go Raiders! Superbowl '93 - here come the Raiders!
>
Amen!  I felt the RAIDERS only need offense attack.  They need to mix run and
pass plays. Have more pass patterns, so the quarterback can have more options.
Straight runs and straight long passes are not working anymore.  I want to see
more complicated pass patterns, so the oppenent won't know what they're doing
all the time. 

GO RAIDERS!! GO SKINS!!
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikes Lose To Oilers
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:34:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov15.233420.13012
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu


At the Metrodome, Houston 17  Vikes 13.

Well, a disappointing loss for the Vikes.  I didn't get to see it
on TV of course, since our lone NBC game of the day is the 
obligatory excitement-filled Seacrows game.  I did listen to the
game on the radio though, and here are my impressions from that
broadcast.  (If anyone who actually saw the game can help out and
give a complete summary, please do).

The Vikings' offense was inept.  Gannon didn't seem sharp, and I
heard at least 3 or 4 dropped passes (at least two by A.C.), some
in critical 3rd down situations.  It seemed as if every drive stalled,
and there were a handful of 3-and-out possessions.

The defense was good and bad.  The Oilers R&S gave them fits,
as they consistently moved the ball up and own th field, piling up
tons of yardage, and frequently getting good first down gains.  But at
the same time, the Vikes' defense seemed to come up big in key situations,
sacking Moon and forcing fumbles a few times, one of which was returned
for yet another defensive TD.  Even one of the Viking FGs was set up by
a turnover, after which the offense was unable to move the ball at all.

I'm not worried about the defense, but this offense can be frighteningly
horrible at times.  I hope they can straighten it out.  Otherwise, the 
offensive inconsistency will be the downfall of this team.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars! 
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Air Coryell
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:40:30 GMT

In article <98904@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Another question, is the SD defensive coordinator the same who was the D
>coordinator for the Miami non-name defense of the seveties??

Satish, you should be ashamed of yourself. Bill Arnsparger has been a
defensive guru for a long time. He was even a coach (head coach or
defensive co-ordinator?) of the Giants in the late 70s.

A loyal Giant fan not knowing about Bill Arnsparger? sigh!

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Cowboys lose to Rams
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:01:40 GMT

In a day that saw every NFC East team lose in one day (except for the
Giants who are currently playing so I don't know if the stat will hold
true), the Cowboys lost to my home team (unfortunately). 

The big play: A bad call by the refs on a holding call by Ken Norton. Even
if he did hold, it was after the ball was kicked. The holding call allowed
the Rams to get momentum again after the Cowboys had them stopped and get the
go ahead score that they held on to win the game. A very sad day indeed when
the Rams beat the Cowboys. The SI curse holds true. If you love your team
you will write to them and make sure they don't get on the cover of SI until
after the Super Bowl or the end of their season. 

The lose of this one game does not concern me as much as going into Phoenix 
(a team which even though they lost today they have been playing the tough
teams close-or beating them) and the rest of the season on a down note. I
hope Jimmy Johnson can get his team up for the rest of the season after 
losing to a team like the Rams. Losing to the Rams can't be much of a
motivator to a young team.

Also, Charles Haley played sparingly (apparently due to a groin injury that
he got during practice during the week). During the plays I saw him in he
didn't look very dominating. Is this why we saw more of Chad Hennings today?
The injury must have really slowed Haley down. The Cowboys couldn't put any
real pressure on Jim Everett. 

Emmitt Smith didn't play much. The Cowboys seemed to have a passing game in
mind today which may have cost them the game. Emmitt Smith never really got
started in todays game.

Kelvin Martin was the bright spot today returning a punt for a TD. He made
some good catches. Michael Irvin dropped a pass that he should of caught
when he was wide open on the sideline. The pass hit him on the numbers.

Overall the Cowboys played poorly. Didn't pressure the QB much at all. Didn't
establish a running game. Made some stupid mistakes with the penalities. I
hope the lose will motivate the team and not drag them down the second half
of the season. I didn't expect them to go 8-0 in the second half, but I didn't
expect them to lose to a team the caliber of the Rams. Since I live in Ram
Country I am going to have to hear about this victory for the rest of the year.

Eric

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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Patriot Fans, Good News!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.185006.6231@osf.org> bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:
>
>  ...COLTS logo deleted...
>
>Well, well, well, whaddya know! The Pats, who've played hard all year and not
>given up, finally won one. Yup, they saddled up the Colts and took 'em for
>a ride. Yaaaaahhhhooooooo!
>
>Patriots 34
>Geldings 31
>
>Bruce Smith
>
Geez, Bruce, you could have at least given the correct score.

Patriots 37
Colts 34


Ed

-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
egg@inuxy.att.com
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: comments from Ram/Niner game
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:34:58 GMT

In article <1erqn4INN9nm@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>6.  Dexter played really well in his kickoff returns.  Unlike some
>Niner faithful who think he was a wasted pick, he will do some great
>things for the Niners before season is out.

Even if he does, that only puts him about 10% of the way down the road
to erasing the "wasted pick" label.

>8. Seifert gets coach of the year.

Can you say "Denny Green"? And I seem to remember that there's this
new guy from the Steelers who's doing some amazing things with that
team. Seifert has done a commendable job, especially considering
that he had a whole new crew of coaches, but coach of the year. No.

>Niner fans, WE are so EFFFING SPOILED!!!

Yep, we've been successful for a long time. Tom Landry was trying to
expound some theory the other day about how a team peaks at a certain
point, and then they go on a slow downhill skid that takes about ten 
years before they hit bottom. He offered the Bears and the Cowboys
as examples. Guess his theory doesn't apply to the 49ers, who are still
on top 11 years after their first Super Bowl in 1981.

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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:20:06 CST

I think with the way the Bears are playing the Packers will beat them.  Further
I think Tampa and Detriot will have problems in the cold, finally I think the
Packers can beat the Rams.  I realize this might be stretching it, but if they
play like they have lately I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
From: RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Current Ranks Of The NFL
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:53:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

AFC
----
1. Buffalo Bills       (9-2)
2. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3)
3. Denver Broncos      (7-4   - lead Kansas City 1-0)
4. Miami Dolphins      (8-3   - wilcard teams are behind division leaders)
5. Kansas City Chiefs  (7-4)
6. Houston Oilers      (6-5   - beat San Diego head to head)
Playoff Picture - Round 1
Byes : Bills/Steelers    Houston at Denver.    Kansas City at Miami.

NFC
----
1. San Francisco 49ers    (9-2   - best record vs. NFC 7-1)
2. Dallas Cowboys         (9-2)
3. Minnesota Vikings      (8-3)
4. New Orleans Saints     (7-3)
5. Philadelphia Eagles    (7-4)
6. Washington Redskins    (6-4)
Playoff Picture : Byes - 49ers/Cowboys    Redskins at Vikings. Eagles at Saints
Should Saints win tonight, these ranks will remain the same.
** Rob **
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 18 NOV 92 14:56:02    

In article <1992Nov18.084240.23643@walter.cray.com>, dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt) writes...

>In article 14267@macc.wisc.edu, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>
>>I dunno.  I'm not convinced.  It was only a month ago that they were 
>>getting stomped by the Bears, who, in case you haven't noticed, aren't 
>>the Monsters of the Midway anymore.  The defense has been playing good 
>>ball but I still think a good passing team can pick the secondary 
>>apart.  The pass rush has been decent enough the last 3 weeks but I 
>>think the first 7 games are more indicitive of what you can expect 
>>from them than the last 3.
> 
>I grant that the Packer DL has probably been playing better than their
>talent would indicate the last three weeks, but do you really think
>they'll slip back to the way they were early in the season?  I think
>not.

I don't think they have to slip back to the way they were earlier in 
the season to get beat.  I too think the DL is playing better than 
their talent would indicate.  I just expect them to start playing 
average football for their talent level with would make it tough to 
beat a team with a good passing offense.

>  All last year they were a solid, if not flashy, group.  I 
>attribute their weak stretch early this season to learning the new
>1-gap scheme of Ray Rhodes.  The D appears to be jelling somewhat now, 
>and I expect they'll play sound football the rest of the year.

I dunno.  Learning maybe.  But there's been so much turnover in the 
line I don't know how you can say anything about 'jelling'.

Don't get me wrong.  I think the Packers are quite capable of beating 
the Bears, the Bucs, and the Lions - the next 3 teams on their 
schedule.  I just think they have to play just about their best to do 
so.  In fact, I think they're capable of winning the rest of their 
games.  I just don't expect them to.

Next year, gentlemen.  Next year.

JGH
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC Central news...
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:13:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Over the past day or so, some people have posted articles stating that
the Vikes should be worried about their division title. I think not. Sure
Green Bay is playing very well, but three good weeks of play which includes
only two wins is nothing to shout about. Hell, Green Bay is a very long shot
to make the playoffs, much less win a division title.

The Pack should be able to beat Tampa and Detroit, but the Buccs crushed them
just over a month ago. The Rams and Oilers are both good enough to take it
to the Pack. The only way the Packers will keep on winning is if they
continue to play error-free, ie., stay away from turnovers. Although the
Packers are a team on the rise IMO, an 8-8 finish would be a good scenario 
for the team.

--salty
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers whip Dallas in NFC Championship.
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:37:57 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

>(Bob Marshall) /  8:37 am  Nov 13, 1992 /

>You've been watching too much college football. It's *COLLEGE* football that
>sets up the post-season matchups months in advance; in *PRO* football you
>actually have to finish out the season, and then go through something
>called "playoffs" to reach the NFC Championship game. :-)

But Bob, you forgot that Dallas is *already* the "team of the Nineties"!
And they haven't even reached an NFC championship game yet! :^)

- Gary Rosen
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC/AFC superiority
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov18.190917.5622@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>For some reasons, these successful GMs also believe in smash mouth 
>football. They believe in building an overpowering OL and a strong
>defense. Must be the mentality of the traditionalist (George Young
>is a typical example from the old school). Of course, once all these
>fall into places and your passing game clicks, Boom! the championship
>comes.
>

These GMs are also good at recognizing talent and doing what's necessary to
get them.  I look at the draft choices that the GIANTS and Skins have made the
past few years and despite the fact that the GIANTS have a moron for a coach,
I am pretty optimistic about a turnaround.

Converesly, Philly has been miserable drafting on offense (and much
of the great success that they've had on drafting good defensive players was
probably a result of Buddy Ryan and not a GM).

>On the other hand, the Buffalos, the Denvers, the Miamis never learned.
>They try to win the SBs with their million $ QBs and fly-weight OL/DL.
>Must be the same philosophy from the old AFL days.
>When was the last time the AFC had a defense that really scared people?
>Got to be the gang of Howie, Hendricks, Alzado, Hayes and
>Haynes of the early 80s.

The K.C. defensive line would scare a few folks as would Pittsburghs.
I hate to say this but I think Phill Simms was right when he said that
the AFC was due for a Super Bowl.  I look through the NFC and aside from
the division leaders and the Saints, I can't see a team that has a realistic
shot at winning the big game.  The AFC has too many contenders (Houston, K.C.,
Miami to name a few teams who aren't leading their division).

>
>In the AFC, the closes resemblences of NFC football should be the
>Chiefs, yet their QBs sucked. 

I think Pitt should be added to that list.  They are basically using the
GIANTS offense (seeing as how ex-GIANTS O coordinator Ron Earhardt is at
Pitt) and have been having good success with it.  How they will respond to
the injuries to QB and the suspension of their TE is up in the air.

satish nair
go giants


From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:21:58 GMT
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

It means the zebras have been paid *off* yet again to blow a bunch of calls
in order to preserve *mile high magic*.

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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Dolphins [Billboard squabble]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:31:28 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> 
> I don't know what the BET is, but count me in on Doug's THE BET II.
> T Mac 

    Well, I'm counting you in, so if you lose, you can't post to tell
us that you didn't understand (if the Bills lose you can't post until
after SB XXVII). The dead line was supposed to be yesterday, but I guess
you will be the last contestant entered.  

             FAN                          FAN OF
         *1. Abhay                        Bills
         *2. Dan Kary                     Dolphins
          3. Chris                        Bills
          4. Bill Perry                   Bills
          5. Jon                          Bills
          6. JMC162 Penn St. U.           Bills
          7. delarocq North Car St. U.    Bills
          8. James E. Kist                Bills
          9. Markl@spuddy                 Bills
         10. Joel Ian Marcey              Bills
         11. Tim MCCARTHY                 Bills
         12. Richard Turner               Dolphins
         13. Jim Bohy                     Dolphins
         14. -doug THE dolfan-            Dolphins

          That's it. The hype is over and now its time to get down to
work. As I see it, the key once again is the Dolphin defense against 
Thurman Thomas. If the fish can take that weapon away from the Bills
and play solidly against the rest of the Bill's O, I think Dan the Man
can handle the rest. About this billboard thing, after thinking about it
for a while I think it will motivate the dolphins a little, but I think
the crowd will be motivated by it alot more. If the dolphins should win
I think the billboard should be burned at the next home game, and if they
lose I think the billboard should be cut up into small pieces and one
piece should be given to each Dolphin player and coach so they can keep
it under their pillow until the next time they play against the Bills.
          IMHO I think that the game tonight is the AFC Championship.
The loser will not be out of the SB race, but the winner will definatly
be 2 steps up on everyone else in the conference. Hope to be posting
tomorrow (if the Dolphins lose I hope the Bills fans who did not take
THE BET II don't speu off so much that it runs down their chin).
    
                       -doug THE dolfan-