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From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Pen Windows
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.085637.21088@iti.gov.sg> yklo@iti.gov.sg writes:
>Hi:
>
>Does anyone out there know if Microsoft sells the runtime software for Pen Windows
>as a standalone package to developers, and if so, how much is it?
>
The documentation that accompanied the pre-release of NT/WIN32 indicated that
the only way to get it was with a pen computer that supported it.

Seems pretty strange that they won't supply tools so you can develop on your
desktop.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows for Pen dead?
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:22:41 GMT

In article <anderson.28.715962885@mayo.edu> anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson) writes:
>I admit that I'm curious.
>
>There is considerable traffic in this newsgroup about PenPoint but very 
>little on Windows for Pen.
>
>Does that mean that:
>
>a) Everyone that is working in the pen arena is using the Go PenPoint system,
>
>or
>
>b) Developers using Microsoft Windows for Pen never encounter problems and 
>   thus don't frequent this forum?

First, you are incorrectly assuming that there are only two choices for pen
developers.  GRiD has sold more hardware and software than anyone else in the
pen-based arena.  Go and Microsoft tend to get a lot more press because their
stuff is based on snazzier operating systems while GRiD's is based on DOS.

Second, it looks to me like Microsoft has backed off its pen-based hype lately 
and is concentrating on getting NT going.  As GO seems to struggle more and more
(there stuf is still REAL slow) in just getting things out the door, Microsoft
sees less and less threat from them in the OS market.  Their pen-based stuff
is more recent and hasn't had the time to build momentum.

Finally, there seems to be an assumption that EVERYONE  has access to the net!
Not so!  There are many companies that use mainly PCs and have little or no
usenet access. This means those that use Microsoft Windows or DOS (GRiD or
PowerPoint) are likely not to even have the ability to post things here.

Rion



Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: ericbe@microsoft.com (Eric Berman)
Subject: Re: Pen Windows BEdit questions
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:44:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <8012@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> alexau@boole.seas.ucla.edu (King-Long Au) writes:
>I have problems in retrieving characters in BEDIT.
>But I don't know how to retreive characters in the comb field.
>Does anyone know how to get those characters?
>
>p.s. please reply to alexau@seas.ucla.edu
>
Hello, Alex.

A BEdit is just like an Edit box; you can use the
WM_GETTEXT message to extract the characters as an array of
chars.  The 5th character in your array corresponds to the
character in the 5th cell.  If you are using a multi-line
BEdit, then you have to do a little bit of row and column
arithmetic.  For example, the character in the 2nd cell of the
4th row in a 6 column BEdit is at array element 19  (= (4 - 1)
* 6 + (2 - 1); remember that the 1st row is row 0 and the 1st
column is column 0, so we subtract 1 from the row # and the
column #.)

How do you know how many columns there are in the BEdit?  Easy.
 Use the WM_HEDITCTL message with the HE_GETRC subfunction to
get the RC for the BEdit, then look in its guide structure;
rc.guide.cHorzBox tells you the # of columns in the BEdit.

OK, now comes the tricky part.  You could simply use the cell #
as an offset into the array of chars, but this can cause
problems for two reasons.  One is internationalization
(double-byte characters), and the other is that some
characters, such as CRLF are really two bytes.  Sooo...we've
provided you with two handy subfunctions of the  WM_HEDITCTL
message: HE_CHAROFFSET and HE_CHARPOSITION (page 277 of the Pen
documentation).

Suppose you want the character in the cell position 19.  Use
WM_GETTEXT to get the text from the BEdit, then use
HE_CHAROFFSET to get a character offset into your string.  Odds
are it will return 19, but you  should do this to be sure. 
HE_CHARPOSITION performs the reverse operation.

Hope this helps!

--Eric Berman


From: aliamus@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Steve Aliamus)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows for Pen dead?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen

>I admit that I'm curious.
>
>There is considerable traffic in this newsgroup about PenPoint but very 
>little on Windows for Pen.
>
>Does that mean that:
>
>
>a) Everyone that is working in the pen arena is using the Go PenPoint system,
>
>
>or
>
>
>b) Developers using Microsoft Windows for Pen never encounter problems and 
>   thus don't frequent this forum?

I think that it is

c) Everyone uses Compuserve, not news. 

Steve "still waiting for the Compuserve paperwork to be processed" Aliamus
From: ggolden@heifetz.msen.com (Glenn Golden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Apple Newton
Date: 16 Sep 1992 03:19:37 GMT
Organization: MSEN, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI
NNTP-Posting-Host: heifetz.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I know it is early, since this may not even exist yet, but I
am looking forward to the Newton ...

It seems that this should be in alpha or beta tests right now.
Is anyone using one?  Does anyone know who to contact at Apple
about participating in pre-release tests?  Is anyone at Apple
working on the Newton out there?

Please share your info!

(GO on an AT&T Hobbit system seems interesting as well...)

- Glenn R. Golden
  ggolden@msen.com  -or-
  ggolden@comshare.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye)
Subject: Book on PenPoint Programming available!
Reply-To: dale@manet.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:21:58 GMT

I just finished reading "PenPoint Programming" by Andy Novobilski. I wish  
this book had been around a year ago! Andy has addressed the question  
"What do I do when I get this message?" He first shows the order of events  
(i.e. what order the messages are in and when) in a very simple and  
straight-forward way (Go's description was scattered across 3 chapters in  
the first AR) then explains what you should do for each message. (Note:  
I'm talking about the basic messages like msgInit, msg AppInit, etc) He  
goes on to show how to do other things like writing DLLs, setting up a  
Data / View model, how to use ClsTableLayout and ClsCustomLayout,  
automatic support for importing files and a whole bunch of tips and  
tricks.

I have started recommending this book to people as the second book to read
before starting to program PenPoint. (The first is "Power of PenPoint")

The book is published by Addison-Wesley (ISBN 0-201-60833-2) cost is  
$24.95.  You should be able to order it from your favorite bookstore (our  
campus bookstore said they were going to stock it ASAP) or you can order
from Andy's company Novotech. Andy is also making available a source code  
disk for $25 (available directly from him). He prices the two together for  
$48. ($45 + $3 shipping).

Here's his address:
Andy Novobilski
NovoTech, Inc.
88 Doolittle Dr.
Bethany, CT 06524
(203)393-3729
(203)393-3730 (fax)
andyn@novotech.com


One happy reader,
Dale Frye
Washington University in St. Louis
Pen Lab
From: dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows for Pen dead?
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: dale@manet.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO

In article <anderson.28.715962885@mayo.edu> anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I.  
Anderson) writes:
> I admit that I'm curious.
> 
> There is considerable traffic in this newsgroup about PenPoint but very 
> little on Windows for Pen.
> 
> Does that mean that:
> 
> 
> a) Everyone that is working in the pen arena is using the Go PenPoint  
system,
> 
> 
> or
> 
> 
> b) Developers using Microsoft Windows for Pen never encounter problems  
and 
>    thus don't frequent this forum?
> 
> 
> 
> (I can be objective - I don't use either....yet.... but do need to make  
a 
> choice soon.)
> 

Windows for Pen is just an extension to an already existing application
framework and OS (Windows and DOS). There are other forums for both of
these subjects. PenPoint is an entirely new OS and app framework. There
are no other forums to discuss PenPoint the OS and PenPoint the app  
framework. The actual pen input is only a small part of the day to day
problems encountered. (However it plays a major role in how the app
framework should be designed as PenPoint proves.) Most of the problems
with writing for PenPoint is understanding the document model, the  
document instance states and issues brought on by the fact that the  
computer is truely mobile (i.e. not a workstation tied to a desk).

Dale Frye
Wahington University in St. Louis
Pen Lab
From: ggolden@heifetz.msen.com (Glenn Golden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Microsoft Pen Windows
Date: 16 Sep 1992 03:13:28 GMT
Organization: MSEN, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI
NNTP-Posting-Host: heifetz.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
: In article <1992Sep15.085637.21088@iti.gov.sg> yklo@iti.gov.sg writes:
: >Hi:
: >
: >Does anyone out there know if Microsoft sells the runtime software for Pen Windows
: >as a standalone package to developers, and if so, how much is it?
: >
: The documentation that accompanied the pre-release of NT/WIN32 indicated that
: the only way to get it was with a pen computer that supported it.
: 
: Seems pretty strange that they won't supply tools so you can develop on your
: desktop.
: 

Although I don't have exact details, I know that you can get the pen
'SDK', which allows you to emulate a pen with the mouse on your desktop
machine and dev pen software.  My brother has this at his work, and if there
is interest I could check out the details, or contact Microsoft.

- Glenn R. Golden, Dexter MI

ggolden@msen.com  -or-
ggolden@comshare.com
From: gwm@alfa.Berkeley.EDU (Garry Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Pen-Based Expo in Los Angeles, CA
Followup-To: comp.sys.pen
Date: 15 Sep 1992 03:02:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Survey Methods
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gwm@alfa.Berkeley.EDU (Garry Martin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: csm28.berkeley.edu
Keywords: pen expo

I see that there is a "Pen-Based EXPO" being staged in L.A., Sept 21-23, 1992.
It's sponsored by Digital Consulting, Inc. an Co-sponsored by BYTE.  Anyone
have any further info about this that they'd like to share?  I have their
little brochure and am contemplating whether its worth the trip or not.

Garry
From: S_Page@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Signature Authentification
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:25:29 GMT

Arno at arno@applelink.apple.fr (Arno Gourdol) Organization: University of
Grenoble writes:

would you have any pointer on Signature Authentification algorithms (i.e.
I sign on a tablet, and the machines tells "this guy pretends to be John
Doe, and he really is so"). Does anybody have any such algorithms
(eventually for sale). What kind of parameters are important (pressure,
speed?)?


I heard (or dreamed) that PenPoint has this feature: when you start your
machine, you must sign-in before using it. Am I correct?

-----------------

Peripheral Vision Ltd. has demonstrated signature verification on PenPoint.
     44-(373)452 755 (England)

Slate SafetyPen(TM) utilities for PenPoint has a "power on password" and
"personalized sign-on screen display", but I think it's password-based, not
signature-based.
     (602)443-7322

Without these, PenPoint powers on at the same page on which you last left
it.

=S Page


Arno.

--
Minds, like parachutes, only function when open.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: yklo@iti.gov.sg (Lo Yoong Khong (SE))
Subject: Microsoft Pen Windows
Reply-To: yklo@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:56:37 GMT

Hi:

Does anyone out there know if Microsoft sells the runtime software for Pen Windows
as a standalone package to developers, and if so, how much is it?

---
+------------------------------------------------------+
Name   : Lo, Yoong-Khong                 
Company: Information Technology Institute  
         National Computer Board, Singapore 
Email  : yklo@iti.gov.sg  or yoongkhong@itivax.bitnet
Fax    : (65)779-5966
+------------------------------------------------------+
From: paulw@netcom.com (Paul L. Williams)
Subject: SEMINAR - Archaeologists report on use of Pen Computing
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 13:28:06 GMT
Organization: Pen^2 -- Pen-squared Computing
Reply-To: paulw@netcom.com

                       - SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT -

             Archaeologists Report on use of Pen Computer 
             ____________________________________________

TOPIC:     A group of archaeologists working near the Nile used pen
           computing technology in their daily activities; taking
           notes, drawing sketches, etc.  The scientists will
           discuss their (very positive) experiences in using GO
           Corporation's PenPoint operating system on an IBM
           ThinkPad computer to address this practical application.

WHEN:      6:00 PM to 7:00 PM    (* WPDO attendees, see NOTE, below)
           Thursday evening
           September 10, 1992
             
COST:      The meeting is free and open to the public.  Anyone
           interested in the practical application of pen computing
           technology is encouraged to attend.

WHERE:     GO Corporation
           919 East Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400
           Foster City, CA    94404

From Hwy 101:         Take the Hillsdale Blvd exit. Go
                      east on Hillsdale, toward Foster
                      City. Left on Edgewater (i.e. 3rd
                      light, ~1 mile from Hwy 101), then
                      an immediate right into parking lot. 
                      Go Corp. is on 4th floor of the four
                      story building.

From East Bay:        Take San Mateo bridge (Hwy 92) west,
                      across bay.  Take Hwy 101 south to
                      Hillsdale Blvd. (the first exit). 
                      Follow the directions above.
                       
From Hwy 280:         Take Hwy 92 east, then Hwy 101 south
                      to Hillsdale Blvd. (the first exit).
                      Follow the directions above.

NOTE - WORLDWIDE PENPOINT DEVELOPERS ORGANIZATION (WPDO) ATTENDEES:

           This seminar immediately precedes our September 10th WPDO
           meeting, which begins at 7:00 PM.  Any interested WPDO
           attendees are encouraged to come an hour early to attend
           this interesting discussion.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT:

           Paul Williams
           Pen-squared Computing
           750 N. Shoreline Blvd, Suite 169
           Mountain View, CA    94043-3254
                fax:       415/694-7377
                voice:     415/694-PENS (7367)
                email:     paulw@netcom.com      (Internet)
                           71042, 665            (CompuServe)
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Paul Williams               paulw@netcom.com              fax:   415/694-7377
Pen-squared Computing       71042.665@compuserve.com      voice: 415/694-7367
Mountain View, CA    USA
From: S_Page@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Is PenPoint UI universal?
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:04:19 GMT

vp01@newshost.gte.com (Vincent Phuah) of GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA asks:

Could anyone of you tell me whether the PenPoint user
interface, e.g., the PenPoint Notebook User Interface
is a universal UI? What I mean by that, is whether
I could "reprogrammed" it for non-english users similar
to the internationalization feature in the X Window System.
Thanks in advance. Any info would be appreciated.
--

I'm not familiar with X's Internationalization features, but we're working
on it.  PenPoint applications in release 1.0 can get resources such as
strings from resource lists, and the PenPoint architecture provides other
useful facilities such as filing locale-dependent objects in resource files
and accessing international-aware external services (DLLs).  However, in
PenPoint 1.0, the Notebook User Interface is hardcoded in English.

Future versions of PenPoint support Unicode, a 16-bit worldwide character
set, and provide extensive international routines.  There's information on
how to go about designing for internationalization and localization on pages
61-64 of the "PenPoint Application Writing Guide."  Also, we recently
uploaded a serial I/O sample program (SXDEMO.ZIP in GO's library section 6
of the Pen Technology Forum on CompuServe) that demonstrates how to do this:
it has no strings compiled into it other than debugging messages, and it
runs on PenPoint 1.0.

=S
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: parkerg@osshe.edu (Greg Parker)
Subject: PI?
Organization: Oregon State System of Higher Education
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:58:59 GMT

Has anyone heard about a new company called PI?
Does it have an internet address?
Does it have a pen product?
From: eyunni@cisa.cis.uab.edu (U.D. Kiran)
Subject: Pen--Film
Originator: eyunni@cisa
Organization: Comp. Science Dept, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:52:27 GMT

A few days back I have posted an article on the net.
The article goes like ...


> Hi
> 	Recently a company has announced a product (a film) that
> when applied to note book computer screen enables pen input for
> windows for pen computing. I need more information on the product
> and the company. Please send your replies to eyunni@cis.uab.edu.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Uday
> 


I have got only one reply upto now. I would really appreciate
if anyone can provide more info. about the product.

________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________

The company is called Arthur Dent & Associates.  They are a group of former
WANG Inc. employees that worked on a pen system that WANG terminated.  Last
I heard was that they had completed this retor fit for GEOS laptops.  
Basically they take over your modem slot, run a wire to a 'film' that fits
over the display, and give you a pen.  I saw the product demoed in Boston
(in May) and it looked pretty good -- if you have a GEOS laptop.  They were
looking into other machines, but I haven't heard much recently.  I had some
info about them, but I'm not sure if I still have it (I'll look though).

--------
Joseph Baweja, III    bawejaj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________
From: S_Page@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: PDA's
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:44:27 GMT

>> The idea is a little box that you write "Lunch with Trillian on Tuesday."
>> and it looks up Trillian in your address book to find her full name,
>> knows that your lunch hour is from 12 to 1 and enters "Lunch with Tricia
>> McMillen" in that time on next tuesday in your daytimer.

PenSoft demonstrated the software part of this at GO's developer release
announcement in January 1991.  I believe their PenPoint application
"Perspective" is, nearing release.

PenSoft, (415)802-6925  FAX# (415)802-6933.

=S Page
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: PI?
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM 
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:03:02 GMT

In article <BuFDyD.G7J@news.orst.edu> parkerg@osshe.edu (Greg Parker) writes:
>Has anyone heard about a new company called PI?
>Does it have an internet address?
>Does it have a pen product?
>
Yes! I interviewed with these guys.   They are up near Portland and have a
pen computer based on the 68000 chip.  They go after the vertical market
as does GRiD and Poqet (now Fujitsu) whereas Go and Microsoft are aimed at
the as yet unseen horizontal market for pen computers.

Rion
From: anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Is Microsoft Windows for Pen dead?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:34:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: mayo.anderson.28.715962885
Organization: Mayo Foundation

I admit that I'm curious.

There is considerable traffic in this newsgroup about PenPoint but very 
little on Windows for Pen.

Does that mean that:


a) Everyone that is working in the pen arena is using the Go PenPoint system,


or


b) Developers using Microsoft Windows for Pen never encounter problems and 
   thus don't frequent this forum?



(I can be objective - I don't use either....yet.... but do need to make a 
choice soon.)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alfred Anderson                Internet:    anderson@Mayo.edu
Mayo Foundation - Rochester MN 55905
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: ahh@glyph.kingston.ny.us (Andy Heffernan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Frequently-asked Questions about the UNIX-PC/3b1, Part 1/2
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:01:19 GMT
Organization: Moji Computing

In article <1992Sep07.085003.12197@proxima.uucp> lucio@proxima.uucp (Lucio de Re) writes:
>Thus spake ahh@moji.uucp (Andy Heffernan):
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>| Answers to some frequently asked questions about the AT&T UNIX PC, |
>>|     as well as some frequent problems, hints, and solutions.	     |
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                           ^
                                                                           |
                                                         tab damage -------+

>> [ etc... ] 
>>-- 
>>Andy Heffernan		$BJ8;z(J	ahh@moji.uucp (uunet!glyph!moji!ahh)
>
>It is my understanding that FAQs ought to be posted to news.answers as
>well - certainly my news expiry is geared to keep news.answers long
>enough that the most recent copy is always on line.

	Yeah, that sounds true.  Note that I get about 4 or 5 newsgroups
here at home and news.answers certainly isn't one of them, so I never got
too excited it.  Also note that I put a two-month expiration on the articles, 
so if your site is silly enough to explicitly defeat that mechanism for every 
group but news.answers, well... I guess you lose.

	But, hope springs eternal, etc. etc.  Someone else will get the
chance to make that decision in a short while.

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From: ahh@glyph.kingston.ny.us (Andy Heffernan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: 3B1 FAQ
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:15:31 GMT
Organization: Moji Computing


	After some thought and meditation, I've decided that long-time
lurker and general nuisance Helen O'Boyle will be the best person to
take over the Frequently-asked Questions list.  Actually, I was just 
kidding about the nuisance part.

	I want to thank the many people (most of whom aren't regular
posters) who offered their help.  It just goes to show that the UNIX-PC's
not dead, it's just resting.

	Also, one last question:

			I WANT TO RUN UNIX ON MY PC HOW CAN I DO THIS?????/?  CAN SOMBODY HLEP ME??/???

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