From: norm@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:11:21 GMT

>In article <emc.720803460@keiko> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>
># In <1992Nov3.055524.29120@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
> 
># >	To say that Rabbi Kahane simply advocated the expulsion of Arabs
># >is at the very least stretching the truth.  As a matter of fact, it
># >would be possible (in theory) for All Arabs not to be expelled (they
># >would have to agree to certain conditions).
>
># OK let's spell it out:
># 1. Comply with my conditions, however ludicrous they may seem.
># 2. Sorry can't/ not willing, but can we discuss other possibilities.
># 3. No! Get out of your homes!
># Wake up man!  Theory means nothing in real life.  This is how
># Yugoslavia is run today.
>
>	Funny - NOT!  The conditions (do you know what they are?  Have you
>ever read anything of his?) are quite reasonable considering the
>circumstances.  Why don't you go and read them (from one of his books,
>not from what someone else claims he wrote) and then tell the net
>whatr you find objectionable.  But berfore you tell us what you find
>objectionable, frame it in the context of the present and future
>realities (political, demographic, etc.) and include what your
>alternatives will be.  Your silence will be deafening.
>
># ># do not represent "authentic Jewish sources"
># ># (or rather, I should say, that they do not represent mainstream Jewish
># ># thought; since Kahane was Jewish, he's an authentic Jewish source).
> 
># >	I suggest you read Genesis sometime.  Or Mainmonides.
> 
># I suggest you stop applying ancient texts to modern complicated situations
># never envisioned by the authors.
>
>	Oh, I think they were meant to envision any situation. At any
>rate, my response was still valid since the point was whter or not the
>Rqabbi represented authentic Judaism, and not whether authentic
>Judaism should be used to represent "modern complicated situations".
>
># ># Aside from the fact that that would be absolutely disastrous for Israel
># ># to implement (in terms of relations with the rest of the world),
> 
># >	In terms of relations with the rest of the world, this would only
># >hasten something that is going to happen anyway.
>
># OK then, let's throw the Atom bomb at a few countries.  Let's get it over
># with now.  It's going to happen one day anyway.
>
>	The whole idea is to prevent Israel from having to take drastic
>actions such as those.  Israel will always have external enenies that
>want its destruction.  Some of these nations will one day be armed
>with weapons that have not even be dreamed of yet.  What Israel does
>not have to have is a fifth column.
>
># (Let's also appoint
># this man for the NOBEL prize).
>
>	You can keep the prize.  I just want the money that comes along
>with it.
>
># ># personally I would consider it morally reprehensible.
> 
># >	In a vacuum, I would agree. Unfortunately, and this is what many
># >people choose to ignore, is that not implementing his policies will
># >lead to things very much more morally reprehensible.
> 
># Such a people like Kahane (or you) never getting to power.
>
>	One day Israel will have to choose (barring divine intervention)
>between implementing Kach policies or suicide (which will also entail
>the mass destruction of many Arabs).  There will not be a third
>alternative.  The longer it takes, the worse the price.
>
># ># Doesn't matter if the Arabs would be compensated.  Kicking people out of
># ># their homes based on their ancestry is WRONG (IMHO), period.
> 
># >	It is not based on their ancestry.  It is based on their threat.
># >And this expulsion would not be automatic for ANY Arab simply because
># >he/she is an Arab.  I could explain why, but I think it would be
># >better for you and everyone else whose only knowledge about the late
># >Rabbi comes from what other people tell them to actually read his vast
># >writings.
> 
># >	The Rabbi also has some very good books on jewish philosophy that
># >have nothing to do with his "political" views.  I urge you all to read
># >them.
> 
># Lenin and wrote some wonderful books on philosophy as did Mao.  I urge
># you to read them.  You will begin to understand the beauty of their
># words.  They have been misrepresented in the west but their ideas if
># they were applied correctly would have transformed the world.  
>
>	I am not talking about philosophy in general.  I am talking about
>Jewish philosophy.  Many Jews who have condemned the late Rabbi
>actually reccomend these books.
>
># For those that fail to understand irony ;-)
>
>	You must have meant "reality" instead of "irony".
>--
>"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
>that pleases you."
>
>>From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>
Not that I want to get into this arena,(I PERSONALLY, underline Personally,
agree with most of Rabbi Kahana's ideas,{I also read the Jewish Press,so I
can't be held responsible for most of my actions}), BUT it goes a little
far when it is said that, " >	I suggest you read Genesis sometime.  Or
Mainmonides.
> 
># I suggest you stop applying ancient texts to modern complicated situations
># never envisioned by the authors."  
Really, "ANCIENT TEXTS...NOT ENVISIONED BY THE AUTHORS".
I really do believe that the AUTHOR of Genesis could envision what is
happening today, and whether it is or is not complicated to us, it has
certainly become complicated BY us.  End of my comment.
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