HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Jim Barrett <barrett@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:07:05 GMT

In article <Bv4xv0.5wG@uunet.uu.net>, wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew
Wicks) writes:
>I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:
>
>  admin        Discussions of system administration issues. This would
>               include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and
networking.
>  announce     general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
>               archives, etc)
>  apps         Discussions of various application packages , both
those
>               provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
>  bugs         Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX
operating system.
>  graphics     Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows,
Inventor,
>               Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues
specific
>               to using a SGI machine.
>  hardware     Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
>               perhipherals.
>  misc         Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above
groups.

I like it!!

>The new proposal for how splitting of comp.sys.sgi will effect the
info-iris
>mailing list is as follows:
 [deletion]
> - There are two possibilities on how mail addressed to
info-iris@brl.mil
>   should be handled.
 [ deletion]
>   - Proposal 2 is that mail sent to info-iris@brl.mil will be sent
only to
>     the info-iris mailing list and not be posted to a newsgroup. If
people
>     want the information in a newsgroup then they should get access
to news
>     or send it to info-iris-<group-name>.

I prefer proposal 2 over proposal 1.

--
Jim Barrett                                  barrett@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov
"This has been a test of the Opinion Broadcast System.  If this had
been
an actual opinion you would have received instructions on where to go
and
what to do.  This is only a test."
From: derek@comlab.gatech.edu (Derek Cook)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:59:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I would like to throw my opinions into the discussion here on the marching
newsgroup.

1.  I prefer a name that has "drumcorps" in the name.  I like the rec.arts.
marching.drumcorps suggestion.  I think the marching is a good banner for
the variety of organiztions (drum corps, bands, colorguard and whatever
else may come along.  I think that a structure such as this is good for
future expansion.

    As for the name being long, I agree with someone who said once you
subscribe you don't have to type it anymore.

2.  I think that there should initially be separate groups for drumcorps
and marching bands.  As I read in a DCI program once, after a football and
after moving and playing at tyhe same time, the similarities between these
types of groups end.  While I think that is a little egotistical, I agree
with the idea.  College marching exist for school spirit, football
performances and other related activities.  From what I have been told, they
do not compete in any organized way.  This is a stark contrast to drum corps:
drum corps exists solely to compete.  Also, while there are some fine
marching bands, the level of performance between a corps and a band is like
night and day.  Because of this I think the audience is somewhat different:
    a.  Drum corps audiences go events exclusively to see corps.  They tend
        to be more critical viewers.
    b.  Many marching bands viewers encounter the bands at games, pep rallies
        , etc.  They tend to less critical of the performance.
This is not to say that the types of fans do not overlap, but I think does
point out the need for separate forums to express views.

Derek
-- 
 Derek Cook                          | Blue Devils Drum and Bugle Corps  
 26303 Georgia Tech Station          | Director: David Gibbs              
 Georgia Institute of Technology     |    6 Time DCI World Champion:       
 Atlanta, GA 30332                   |     '76, '77, '79, '80, '82, '86   
 E-mail: derek@comlab.gatech.edu     | 1992 Repertoire: Big, Bad, and Blue 
Xref: sparky news.groups:18739 rec.music.bluenote:7636
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:20:40 EDT
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Distribution: na
 <1992Oct4.122712.14090@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Oct4.122712.14090@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(Damballah Wedo) says:

>> Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> (in <92276.172150KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>):
>> Would you advocate including rec.music.funky into rec.music.bluenote?
>> Rec.music.bluenote is described in news.groups as jazz, blues and other
>> related musics.  It seems to me that other related musics are the musics
>> r.m.f is charted to discuss.  So, if they arn't included here then why
>> should blues be included here?  Lets be consistent.  Do you think the
>> r.m.f people will relinquish their group and join us?

>I was not involved in, indeed not aware of, the r.m.funky discussion
>until the group got created. The group now exists, and I've been around
>Usenet long enough to know that trying to uncreate a newsgroup for
>any reason is a fool's errand.

I am not interested in merging r.m.funky into r.m.bluenote.

>So this call for consistency does not withstand examination. The
>situations are completely different.

I would like to see blues and Jazz be in seperate groups.  The argument that
blues and jazz share a special relationship and thus they should share the
same group doesn't convice me unless those who argue for one blues/jazz group
also argue for including 'the related musics'.  Two pieces don't make a pie.
You can't be taken seriously when you argue for wholeness, unless you include
more than just two of the many.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.bugs -- bad name
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:21:22 GMT

In article <2144@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>To add an argument against the name: it's a bad name because 
>non-NeXT people will think "Hey, NeXT must be a REALLY buggy system, 
>they even have a newsgroup for the bugs!"

Tell that to the comp.bugs.* heirarchy.

>However, I do support the idea, but let's choose a more neutral name
>like comp.sys.next.faqs or so.

What do FAQ's have to do with bugs?  (Other than a place to read
about how they {need to,have been} fixed)

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  But you don't cure bad art by locking it all up in one museum,
  you cure it by throwing tomatoes at bad artists.  - Barry Shein
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:08:36 GMT

 I beleive that 'sci.med.alternative' is the best place for this group.
Sci.* has a wider dist than Alt.* groups and there is valaidity in some/much
(on viewpoint) to alternative medicine.
 
 
--
 delisle@eskimo.celestial.com | Nothing is fool-proof, fools are too ingenious.
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.bugs -- bad name
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:27:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute

In article <2149@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>In article <+s21Hhq&-9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>>In article <2144@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>>>To add an argument against the name: it's a bad name because 
>>>non-NeXT people will think "Hey, NeXT must be a REALLY buggy system, 
>>>they even have a newsgroup for the bugs!"
>>
>>Tell that to the comp.bugs.* heirarchy.
>>
>
>I don't see any comp.bugs.* groups for a specific vendor. Is there any?

Well, if you consider "BSD" and "System V" to be vendors, yes.
Of course these groups are fading away.
 
>>>However, I do support the idea, but let's choose a more neutral name
>>>like comp.sys.next.faqs or so.
>>
>>What do FAQ's have to do with bugs?  (Other than a place to read
>>about how they {need to,have been} fixed)
>
>You've answered your own question. 

Good.  So if your solution is to put bug reports in FAQ's, then
you don't need a new group.  FAQ's belong in comp.sys.next.announce.
I think a 'bugs' group is silly, especially since there's a group
for it already.  (Another reason why no other comp.sys.* heirarchy
has a bugs group)

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  loose: v. to set free, or adj. not securely fastened.
  lose: v. to miss from one's possession.
Xref: sparky news.groups:18707 rec.music.bluenote:7617
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:54:00 GMT
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	<1992Oct4.123714.14308@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:37:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.123714.14308@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:
   Well, Richard, if you don't want people to question your motives, you'll
   have to explain them better.

I've explained my position pretty thoroughly, more than once. I don't
think the net needs to see all that yet again. Anyway, it's in the
archives of r.m.bluenote and news.groups. I'm quite happy with the
arguments I've posted: I think I've made my points successfully, if
not succinctly. Clearly, you and some others disagree. But nothing I
say now is likely to change that. If anyone really wants me to go over
my arguments yet again, contact me by email and I will be happy to do
so (rshapiro@bbn.com).

I'll decline the offer to play the speculation game with you. I can't
possibly defend myself against charges that result from what you only
imagine are my hidden or unstated motives; and I won't offer any
counter-speculation of your hidden motives, or even if I think you
have any.  All I can say is, I find it depressing that you're choosing
to go negative in this way. It really doesn't help.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone)
Subject: k-12 groups
Organization: Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:52:37 GMT

I'm looking for info on k-12 groups.  Is there an alternative
heirarchy for them or what?

/*****************************************************************************/
/* Jon Boone  Network Systems Administrator Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center */
/* boone@psc.edu  iain+@cmu.edu  I'm a member of the LPF, how 'bout you?     */
/*    I don't speak for anyone other than myself, unless otherwise stated.   */
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Xref: sparky news.groups:18656 rec.music.bluenote:7601
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:21:50 EDT
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)

In article <1992Oct2.170707.26647@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>I'll reiterate my belief that dividing music into categories in a bad
>thing in general, and a very bad thing when it comes to jazz and blues
>(and soul and gospel and...) ...

Would you advocate including rec.music.funky into rec.music.bluenote?
Rec.music.bluenote is described in news.groups as jazz, blues and other
related musics.  It seems to me that other related musics are the musics
r.m.f is charted to discuss.  So, if they arn't included here then why
should blues be included here?  Lets be consistent.  Do you think the
r.m.f people will relinquish their group and join us?
From: brummer@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Charlie Brummer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:53:32 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

>
>That is precisely the problem.  People who attempt to use an information
>source as complex as Usenet and software as complex as a newsreader without
>first taking rudimentary steps to educate themselves on how both work
>fully deserve the confusion that they bring upon themselves.  It hardly
>seems like arrogance to request that people read the manual (which is
>news.announce.newusers in the case of Usenet, and the appropriate manual
>page and/or tutorials in the case of the newsreading software) before
>attempting to participate.  Both sets of documents have had a massive
>
>---Rsk

I understand where you're coming from but the real point is that I didn't
know that the 'manual' existed.  I did have a rudimentary knowledge of 
newsgroups--I was given a list as well as basic commands about posting.  As
I never had any problem posting or responding, I didn't think I had to read
more.  Perhaps the solution to the problem is to require new users to read
the manual before they can participate--ie the manual is the first thing new 
user get on their screen when they logon to news.  Anyway, that's where I'm
coming from.
Xref: sparky news.groups:18572 alt.religion.kibology:4055
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:01:29 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BvDxy8.65o@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
> []
> 	Kibonia is a small sovereign country which is, unfortunately,
> landlocked.  In fact, it borders only Massachusetts.  However, there is
> no reason its hard-working population should not have a truly wonderful
> newsgroup dedicated the the culture, the history, the tourism, and the
> illustrious citizen of Kibonia.
> 
> 	It would also be the only soc.culture.* newsgroup to be read by
> EVERYONE in its native country, and would serve as an excellent example
> of how Usenet will soon control the world.

	Silly!  Kibonia is much too imortant for that.  Clearly,

kibo.culture is the needed group.

Brett                                                      
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From: KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu (Karl Nordstrom)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92271.103327KXN2
 <RSHAPIRO.92Sep26184157@kariba.bbn.com> <ja#psjb@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

I like the idea of having r.m.jazz.  I don't recall reading about the
relationship of blues to jazz in r.m.bluenote.  They do seem like seperate
groups using the same name.  Since rec.music... is subdivided into groups
it would be more obvious to seperate r.m.b into two groups.  I am
surprised to see this disscussion favoring the split as much as it does.
In the past this disscussion never got to far.  Good luck r.m.jazz.
From: malloy@NPRDC.NAVY.MIL (Sean Malloy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFD for *.apathy newsgroups
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:50:16 GMT
Organization: Navy Personnel R&D Center, San Diego

In article <9209300742.AA14369@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>I am issuing a CFD for a series of *.apathy newsgroups, as follows:
>
>comp.apathy -- are computers apathetic?  discussion of the so-called
>               A.I.  (Apathetic Intelligence), etc.
>misc.apathy -- apathy in general
>rec.apathy  -- tips from apathy fans, apathy how-to's, apathy competitions...
>sci.apathy -- the scientific study of apathy as a phenomenon
>soc.apathy  -- discussions of apathetics in society, apathetic organizations,
>               possibly a place for apathetics to make social contacts, etc.
>talk.apathy  -- discussions of apathy, apathetic talk, politics of apathy
>
>Please comment on these proposed newsgroups and on any others you think
>might have merit: news.groups.apathy? rec.arts.startrek.apathy? etc. etc.

I think that these would more profitably be conducted as mailing
lists; their administration would of necessity be trivial, requiring
only a miniscule amount of time. After all, if someone goes to the
trouble to send a message to the administrator of an apathy mailing
list, they're showing _entirely_ too much interest to be _truly_
apathetic about the subject of the list, and should immediately be
_dropped_ from the mailing list.

-- 
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Navy Personnel Research & Development Center | recorded, edited, distorted,
San Diego, CA 92152-6800                     | re-mixed, and used against you.
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From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:50:30 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Followup-To: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology,alt.test,alt.exploding.kibo
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA


                         I SEE A GREAT NEED!

Where do I send my vote?
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:48:17 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:

>> I can't think of a single other group that has proposals for change as
>> frequently as every six months. 
>
> rec.music.misc, used to have them about every two weeks. 

rec.arts.comics underwent a split only a couple of months ago and there
are already people asking if someone will create the groups that were
voted down in that split.   

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:45:52 GMT

In article <JAAPJL.92Oct1154743@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.195824.4456@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	   It's a dictatorship.  Sugar coat it all you want, but since when does
>   the defintion of democracy include "voidable by one person"?
>
>It's a benevolent dictatorship.  And it works, mostly.  (Dave's not
>quite all-wise.)  Other schemes have bigger flaws when applied to
>the net.  And if Dave weren't doing a reasonable job overall, he'd
>lose his influence.

And -- just to finish off the point -- Dave's influence is the only
thing that Stupendous Man thinks can "void" a vote.  If the ten
thousand or so system managers decided that sci.virtual-apps was a
good thing to have but Dave disagreed, sci.virtual-apps would come to
exist.

People really should stop worrying about Usenet and start worrying
about something of more import, like whether there's enough
windshield-wiper fluid in their cars.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:46:38 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep27170548@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com
(Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.174326.7070@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. "Catfish" Wood) writes:
>   I've heard a
>   number of big-band recordings upon which a blues progression is clearly
>   based, for example.
>
>I suspect this is what underlies most people's feeling that blues and
>jazz have a "special relationship".  This point is absolutely correct
>and can certainly be extended to a wider range than just big-band. The
>question is, does this define a "special relationship", one that
>implies a link between the two forms that the Usenet hierarchy should
>respect? I think the answer is no, for two reasons:

[ rationale elided ]

Blues and jazz have a strong relationship in their origins;
indeed, much of what we call "blues" now would have been
called "jazz" fifty years ago.  Whether this relationship
is "special" in some musical sense is irrelevant.  Blues
and jazz are both marginal forms that are enjoyed by people
who like to seek musical satisfaction off the beaten path.
The special relationship is between the listeners; it's a
cultural one as well as a musical one.

I like rec.music.bluenote the way it is because there is so
much scope for serendipity.  Often enough, someone who posts
mostly about jazz comes into a blues discussion with an
insightful observation that might never have cropped up in
a blues-only group.

I like the name, too.  People who don't find the
description in news.announce.newusers just have to ask on
any of the other music newsgroups to find an experienced
reader who'll steer them in the right direction.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky news.groups:18708 rec.motorcycles:34621
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Keywords: Aprilia to Zundapp
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:37:43 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <4883@prcrs.prc.com> 
terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:

>In article <BvEDHM.6zw@uunet.uu.net>, 
>zeleny@husc.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

>> I propose a newsgroup dedicated to the fine art of bench, umm, terminal
>> racing those exotic Austrian, British, Czech, Danish, Dutch, French,
>> German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, and Swedish motorcycles.  Also welcome
>> are the periodic discussions concerning the vagaries of motorcycle travel
>> and ownership in the Old World, the right side for driving and/or mounting
>> the sidecar, the horror of helmet laws, and so on.  The Harley bums have
>> pulled it off, so please don't tell me that it's been tried and found
>> impossible.  Let's do it NOW.

>Lets see, Harleys have a separate newsgroup,  and you propose a newsgroup for
>all non-american marques.  I guess the rest of us better hope that Indian
>does make a comeback otherwise there will be nothing left for rec.motorcycles.

On the contrary, they'll have plenty left to chew on with FJ1200 vs ST1100
flames, horsepower boasts for the official DoD vehicle, and so on.  In
addition to being a full-time student, I restore euro-bikes for fun and
money on the side; accordingly I would like to see a group which spares me
the above topic, as well as the inevitable Aerostitch vs. cheap leathers
discussions, Thurlow commercials, the proper choice of weapons for
motorcycle carry (I prefer not to advertise my own), and last but not
least, the interminable "why don't they ever wave at me" whine-fests.  For
the record, I also think we should also have such topical groups as
rec.motorcycles.tech, rec.motorcycles.clothing, rec.motorcycles.DoD, and
rec.motorcycles.whine; however I prefer to address my immediate concerns
first.

>Terry
>
>
>-- 
> | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Thphey,  ithn't that a theerthucker |
> | DoD# 541   'Disciples of Daffy'    |  thuit?"         Daffy Duck          |

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."