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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:55:39 PST
From:         david_a._lewis@EDGEWAY.WIMSEY.BC.CA
Subject:      Joining "Music Discussion" conference

I hope this message reaches you. This is my first attempt at linking up to a
conference or in using "e-mail".

My name is David Lewis, I live in Vancouver. British Columbia, Canada, and
have a strong interest (addiction...) to collecting "obscure" dompact-discs.
and in trying to "fill in the gaps" of my music collection---difficult to do,
since many/most titles I'm interested in are "unavailable in the Canadian
Catalogue" and it is very difficult to find information on compact discs
available in OTHER countries (particularily from Japan...)

Aside from joining your conference group, which I WANT to do....

I'm looking for the works of the electronic/synth. composer Wendy
Carlos...particularily the double albumn called "Sonic Seasonings"....If you
have ever heard of it being available in CD format I would GREATLY appreciate
hearing from you directly. Your conference/newsgroup/forum sounds VERY
interesting!!!

Bye for now*BeSeeingYou*
David A. Lewis

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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: My lonely quest for the ALLMUSIC compilation tape

From: gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject: My lonely quest for the ALLMUSIC compilation tape

>I know that. It doesn't matter. The wider the variety the better. BTW, I will
>argue that the difference between Poison and Napalm Death is comparable to

        Last year, when Carol and woj started the monster thing, I was one
of the last to get the tape. I had been asleep for a while, so I didn't even
contribute.
        I must say that having that enormous variety of styles was the real
strong point of the tape, IMHO.

>1) People songs would be too long -----> Lame. Pick one that isn't so long.

        I clearly remember last year a limit was set (8 minutes, possibly?
Anyone remembers?). I suspect someone put some longer songs on the tape, but
not *relevantly* longer. Also, woj and Carol had definitely more space,
which was wise -- since they compiled one tape each (there were TWO tapes
together). So they had the chance to fill in spaces that would eventually
remain.

>2) The variety of music would be too wide. -----> Super Lame. The whole
>   point of this tape is to expand some people's musical interests and turn
>   them on to something they have not heard before and may like.
>
>*But*, I seem to be alone with my crusade here, so I'll shutup (unless
>someone wants to argue some more).

        Not at all, Gary -- I agree. Those two tapes are still treasured in
my collection, and played very often (notice I usually hate tapes -- for se-
veral reasons). Everyone should notice that they contained one or two of
tunes per person, which were possibly "best", *accordingly to their taste*.
This was extremely interesting, IMHO.
        More: if the thing start, I am ready to become the European re-distri-
butor of the thing (which implied making copies and all that).

        Ciao, Marco

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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl vs Tape vs. CD vs...

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:56:43 CST Leonard Watkins said:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:43:16 EST Scott Hammer said:
>>>
>>Some artists (Bonnie Raitt comes immediately to mind) have taken to doing the
>>actual recording in analog (i.e. ADD) for this very reason.  Apparently, they
>>feel that the noise that analog equipment introduces produces a "warmer"
>>ambience in the recording.
>
>IMHO analog recording is by far the best sound, i waited until Alligator
>stopped making vinyl b4 buying a cd player, because it all sounded cold
>CD's have thier advantages but warmth is not one of them. I remember a revue
>in Audiophile magazine and the reveiwer was asked to reveiw the Hendrix Ryko
>Albums, he refused until Ryko made it available on vinyl, which they
>eventually did and of course they don't any longer......L.W.

I am not sure what anyone means by "warmth" in a recording, but if I did, I
assume I would like my music cold as a. . . well, cold.  Cold as I like B&W
photography:  cold tones so sharp and clear they cut like the finest
Damascene steel, leaving out not the slightest detail, as opposed to some
warm muddy sepia-toned slop looking like mush.  And in the case of music,
sounding like it to boot.  It is clear to me when I listen to vinyl, no matter
how well done, that I am not listening to a live sound.  It is considerably
less clear to me that this is the case when I listen to quality CDs.

Which is my last contribution to this aimiable wangle.  That, and to point
out that vinyl is dead, gone:  no amount of wailing will bring it back.
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From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      spagga! (and laswell too)
              30 Dec 1992 12:41:53 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Sonia Kovitz sez:
>So listen, woj, where can I order/find a copy of _spagga_?

_spagga!_ is only available on vinyl (imagine that). you can order a copy
from popllama records directly since it's probably unlikely that you'll
find it in a store anywhere. cost is $5 postpaid. their address is:

     popllama products
     box 95364
     seattle, wa
     98145-2364

maybe wayside has some copies of this. i dunno. but for $5, might as well
order it from popllama.

and regarding ingrid karklins, you should be able to find this in a decent
record store. if not, they should be able to order it for you. if not though,
you can order it direct from green linnet. the cd is glcd 1118 and the cost
is $15. if you want to pay with plastic, call their 800 number. else send
them a check:

     green linnet
     43 beaver brook road
     danbury, ct
     06810
     800-468-6644 (203-730-0345 in connecticut)

my fave recordings that feature bill laswell are _horses and trees_ and
_middle passage_ by ginger baker. massive bassmeister. yum.

woj
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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: piss metal

Len writes:

>I don't really care what an artist does, i object to gov't funding for stuff
>that is not art....pure and simple Mapplethorpe's work is not art a bottle of
>piss is not art......it's not art...........L.W.

        The only point is that if you take this to the limit then you allow
a government (or whoever in charge of controlling funds) to decide what is
art and what is not. Not so easy, neither so right!
        Just to let you know, in Italy there is no funding at all for anything
else than so-called "classical music". Jazz has been fighting for years to get
into the public music schools, and no concert of what we love to call rock (in
its many facets) will ever be supported by the government. The same applies
for other arts, with due exceptions -- but in general the song doesn't change
much.
        The basic consequence of this is that an important section of our cul-
tural life is financially depressed. This is experienced everyday: if somebo-
dy goes and asks the Town Council to give funds for a rock concert which might
put together 2,000 young people, well -- he usually faces shut doors. If the
same person asks for money to play Vivaldi to 100 aficionados, it's silver and
gold. There are exceptions, I repeat, but this is the usual pattern.
        It's a really DIY over here, and everything is in the hand of men in
the street who *love* something and try to make it work. But, so far, jazz,
rock, pop, anything-different-from-classical-music is not considered culture.
Let's think it over...

        Ciao, Marco

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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: candidate for something Bloom hasn't heard
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:25:44 GMT

How about the North African singer OUM KALTSOUM?

This is North African pop music, so you might have heard it if you ever
took a taxi in Chicago or New York.  But OUM KALTSOUM is perhaps the
most famous singer and biggest "star".  You might not like this music,
it can get limiting, but occasionally they get into killer grooves,
the melodies are very captivating with their microtonal scales,
and if you adjust to the vocal style, it is quite accomplished.

Actually the greatest exprerience I had with OUM KALTSOUM's music was in
a mid eastern restraunt in Chicago.  They were playing her stuff on the
house sound system, and for some reason, the acoustics of the room or
the quality of the recording and/or recorder gave it a phase shifted
sound.  Sort of the old Jimi-Hendrix-in-Cairo thing.  It was the Shit!
All times I heard her since then has not been so profound, but it is
stuff to check out.

That's my candidate.  Let everyone try and see if they can stump the
Bloomdido.  (If that don't work, how about Herbie Nichols?)

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:41:53 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: some reviews
              at Dec 30, 92 11:34 am

Wow, a Ghost of Allmusic Past emerges from the mist... the misterious woj
So listen, woj, where can I order/find a copy of _spagga_?  My one chance to
hear Denio (on a tape that disintegrated after I'd only heard it once) made me
want to hear MORE... So what's the secret password?

>
> the entropics - _spagga!_ (popllama): amy denio is god. do doubts about
> it. the entropics were an early project of denio's. (she, ironically,
> shares the northwest as a homeland with her musical antithesis: grunge.)
> like her later work, this is a twisted and quirky admixture of bits of
> rock and bits of jazz and bits of whatever else she finds interesting,
> except that _spagga!_ is much rawer than the tone dogs. i think i need
> to meet this woman (and she plays bass! swoon!).
>
> album. the best way to describe her is by comparison: if laurie anderson
> was from eastern europe. karklins's music has the feel of _strange angels_
> musically,but its traditional roots give it a strength and subtlety that
> anderson's lacks. not to mention that karklins can sing. this could very
> well be my favorite release of 1992.
>
Gosh, this sounds great too...  Readily available?  I intend to look for both.
It's been a while since I've read reviews of things I akshally want to go out
and buy ... along with BUCKETHEAD.  I even talked the guy who works the jazz
section at Camelot into ordering himself a copy... he plays bass... I kept
telling him what the NET said and explained that this was GOSPEL TRUTH and he
believed me.  That must have been because I was wearing my spandex 60s fishnet
jumpsuit with the white plastic go-go boots and beehive.

Sonia "Groove-Doll"
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:34:37 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      marco in beantown

  You'll be in Boston, Marco?  Will you be playing or playing :-) ?
Keep us informed.

Russ
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:13:03 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Demagnetizing

I was going through the medieval hocus-pocus ritual of demagnetizing tape heads
and feeling as usual incredibly silly doing it... it's like waving a magic wand
or something... and you're supposed to BACK OFF in a straight line so all the
little ions or whatsis-creatures line up in straight battle order, right? then
I realized I had this zoo of mind-boggling expertise here on the net to explain
what in tarnation this is all about: so am I doing it right??  I make three
"passes" in the vicinity of the tape head and then back off as the crow flies.
PLEASE somebody, explicate this arcane oddity for me.

Malbuff: Just wanted to let you know that I discovered yesterday that I
am absolutely nuts about Bob Mould, namely _Black Sheets of Rain_ (is that what
it's called?).  I hadn't heard him in a long time since I had long ago
decided I didn't like him... (I originally heard him on a boom box, which cut
down the magnificent guitar-blast effect, but that's still no excuse).  My
husband put it on without telling me what it was and I thought it was
tremendous.  My favorite was _Hanging Tree_ .  I hope this disclosure will
permit me to rise at least 1-1/2 notches in your estimation.

Sonia
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Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:49:10 GMT
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In a previous article, TSEADA@VRIT01.EG () says:

>Have anyone ever heared any good song from Madonna ?

  No, but I heard one (*one*) once, and that was "Live To Tell."  I don't
know what album that was on, but it and various permutations and arrangements
of it were used throughout the movie _At Close Range_, starring Christopher
Walken and the Penn brothers, Sean and Chris. Nice melody. I'm just glad
Cher didn't get that one.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny
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Subject:      RE: Merry Sumpthin-a-rather

Hey, who was that overweight guy with the red tights? Damn! That was Jerry
Garcia!

-Adam
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Worst Song Ever

On Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:14:00 GMT <TSEADA@VRIT01.EG> said:
>Have anyone ever heared any good song from Madonna ?
>I think the worst song ever is anything sang by her !!

Does this also mean that you think Madonna is the worst singer ever.?...L.W.
From: frenkel@CUCIS.CIS.COLUMBIA.EDU (Tom Frenkel)
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Don't know how many Bach lovers are on this list, but *if you are* and are
in radio range of N.Y. City, I heartily recommend the Holiday Bach
Festival that has just started on WKCR-FM (89.9).  NO commercials and JUST
Bach, including so much of the vocal music that many stations seem
reluctant to play.

This Bachfest is done every year, and has been known to save my sanity
after dangerous overexposure to "Xmas music".

Enjoy!

        Tom Frenkel (frenkel@cucis.cis.columbia.edu)
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: candidate for something Bloom hasn't heard
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:18:11 GMT

In article <92364.215229MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET> MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET writes:
>Dear Jeff,
>  I heard some of Oum Kaltsoum's stuff a few years ago, and it absolutely
>knocked my socks off; she was singing in French, if memory serves. Any
>title recommendations? Thanks!

She could be, but most likely she is singing in Arabic.  As for CDs, if
you go into Tower, you will see hundreds of them, all with Arabic
titles, maybe a few with French.  The CDs are made in Beirut.  I don't
know how you would tell what to get.  I have two CDs and one cassette.
On CD I don't know the title of, but it is the one I like the least of
the three.

The cassette is called Fat Al Miyad, which according to the people at
the mid-eastern joint was the tape I heard that had that Jimi effect.
(It didn't when I got home with it, but I still think it is the best one
I have of hers. As far as I can tell, it is the same recording.  But
most her recordings are of concerts, and the accompaning ensemble plays
for a while, then when she steps to the mic, you hear lots of applause.
There also are some a cappelo solos  )

Other than that, there is Lumiere SDur Le Desert, which I have on CD,
and it is good.

Jeff
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In article <ALLMUSIC%92122910375316@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, "Michael H. Bloom"
<MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> says:

>From:         El chahuistli <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      December drivel
>
>
>> And what about Hal Russell's _Hal's Bells_ (ECM)? It's described as a "nod
>to
>> Albert Eyler by the late multi-instrumentalist."  I know there was a lot of
>> talk about Eyler a bit back.  Surely, this might interest Sonia.
>
>I believe there was an early but extremely idiosyncratic Ayler recording with
>the title _Bells_. BTW, it's Ayler with an A.

If I remember correctly,"Bells" is the infamous one-sided ESP release which is
now almost impossible to find in the US,either in its original printing or as
a re-release.

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Subject: Re: warning: blatent self-commotion
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:52:55 GMT

In article <00965856.97772CC0.18556@hg.uleth.ca> watson@HG.ULETH.CA (Thumper) writes:
>There you go, Adam, another chance to see Michael play with his gonad bongs!
>I just thought of the reason why you found these gongs so intriguing, dearest
>Bloomie -- it's because each it shaped like a brass breast and you bang on the
>nipples!   :)

Look at it this way, they are shaped like Due's pizza pans, with a 
nipple in the middle.

Jeff

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From:         MIke <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers
              17 Dec 1992 08:26:40 +0000 from <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA>

I think that Hipgnosis worked on the Floyd album cover
_Momentary Lapse of Reason_ back in 1987(?), so they are
still around...

Mike
(I'm guessing)
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Art, Language, and the comp tape

  The solution to the comp tape problem.

  The ALLMUSIC Boxed Set.

  (Gotta move with the times, guys)


                            -Tim
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Date: 21 Dec 92 15:01:00 GMT
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Sonia:
OK, point well-taken on the housewife thing (or househusband, f'r that matter)
Some nice background on ASTRUD Gilberto (yeah, it's a "u").  Didn't know about
the drug rap...  The Verve "Compact Jazz" anthology is quite nice.

As far as Acid Jazz is concerned, I think Jeff said it was neither, which I
 would tend to agree with;  Basically, it's a real dancey, largely instrument-
 al music, fast and grinding, with less sophisicated solos than its more
 serious sibling.  Somebody made reference to an Acid Jazz sampler which is
 not bad if it's the one I remember (obviously, I don't remember :)).  If
anybody's curious, I recommend the JAMES TAYLOR QUARTET (no connection to
 granola JT).  Some seriously hoppin, organ-based dance music.  Really,
 I'd say Chuck Brown and the Soulsearchers and the gogo movement sorta presaged
 Acid Jazz.  Or think of Booker T. and the MGs cranked hard on anphetamines.

     Mick Jeffries
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