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From: kmarko@mail.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko)
Subject: Re: Reno Goings On...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:53:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

In article > steveh@or.credence.com (Steve Holder) writes:
>
>  My buddy and I are going to be in the bay area for some classes in
>  mid-October.  We were planing to drive up to Reno over the weekend
>  of Oct. 16-18.  Is there a place where we could get info on discounted
>  hotel rates, good deals on good meals, happenings that weekend,
>  etc..?  We were thinking about staying at Ballys.  Any words on it?

I just got back from Reno last week.  Bally's is now the Reno Hilton.
Baron Hilton was in Reno inspecting his latest acquisition last week 
and says they will remodel it with a western motif.  I didn't go out
there, but the Bally's signs are gone and they appear to be painting 
the exterior of the tower.  We stayed at the C^2 for $37+tax (~$40
total) weeknight, I'm not sure what their weekend rates are, but they
are probably similarly reasonable.  Try and get in the newer Skytower 
(I think that's the name, the one in the back) as the rooms have just
been remodeled (read cleaned up) and it's further away from the Midway
mayhem (you can scoot out the 5th St. exit and avoid all of the screaming
kids). 

I don't know of anything special going on that weekend...I think the big
Eldorado Columbus bash is the previous weekend.

>  Also, does anyone know if the Plantation in Sparks still has .25
>  craps?  I like to play this when I just want to relax (Last of the
>  high rollers).  If they don't is there any other place that offers
>  it?

I didn't get out to Sparks either, but I know that Cal Neva has .25 craps,
and the C^2 had one up in the Skytower casino (the small casino on the
2nd floor of the rear tower), where they also had $1 and .50 BJ.  The 
Nevada Club downtown also had .25 craps.

I'll probably write up a more lengthy description later this week, but just
thought I'd mention that the Flamingo does have Vegas strip rules on BJ
(e.g. S17, double any, etc.) now (at least on the $5 tables), but I only
saw double-deck games.  There appeared to be lots of single-deck N. Nev.
games in town, a nice change from the double-deck that used to predominate
the area.

Kurt Marko

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: More Discounts
Reply-To: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:23:18 GMT

I've just been authorized to offer publications by Michael Dalton at a
discount to rec.gamblers.  Dalton produces the highly regarded book,
Blackjack: A Professional Reference, and the new quarterly Blackjack Review.
If you're interested, please contact me for details.
Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
From: ktaylor@umiacs.umd.edu (Kenneth Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Poker in AC
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:57:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.gambling
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

I read in the New York Times a few weeks back that AC casino's
are trying to get the Gaming Commission to allow them to 
offer Sports book, keno, and poker.  Does anybody know the 
state of play with these matters?


Since I'm going to be moving to New 
Jersey, I would like it a lot if the Casino's there would start
offering poker (although, I imagine that with the lack of
competition in town, the rake rate would be exhorbitant.)

What AC needs is about 50-60 more casinos

Ken Taylor
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Money line vs. point spread?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article @rpi.edu, kinosr@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita) writes:
>Does anyone know the money line equivalent of the point spreads?  Would
>the money line of one team at +3 be the same for another team that's +3?
>It would seem to make sense, but I don't know.
>I'd appreciate any info. you may have (via email or posting).  Thanks.

I am not an expert on sports betting but I know a bit about it.  The money
line and point spreads these days will not correlate 100% because there are
a number of sophisticated bettors out there who are seeking to middle every
game they possibly can.  If a line moves from the opening one way or the
other, this will bring unseen action from those seeking to middle the game.
While the point spread may adjust one way or the other a money line will
probably be a more fine tuning type device to spread the action.

My good friend Tuna Lund told me that if he ever opens a sports book that
he would never change the opening line on any bets that he lays and that
he would only move the money line.  This would prevent him from getting
middled and at the same time allow him to adjust the flow of money on both
sides of the bet accordingly.  Using this technique coupled with laying off
bets with other bookies is probably the safest way to hedge against a big
move one way or the other.

For instance, Lompoc State opens at +12.5 against Cedar Rapids A&M and CRAM
gets a ton of action.  Instead of changing the line to +13.5, +14.5, etc,
you would adjust the money line from -1.10 to -1.20 to -1.40, etc., etc.
encouraging more bettors to take the +12.5 even or +1.10.  Makes it look
like they are not paying the vig, in a way.

Again, I'm a very unsophisticated sports bettor and perhaps an afficionato
may be able to shed better light on this issue.



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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: elliottj@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jim Elliott)
Subject: Re: BlackJack in Colorado? Only for the lucky. *mini* Trip report
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:24:44 GMT

ron@eatdust (Ron Schweikert) writes:

>In article <9900061@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson) writes:
>>
>>So what's the blackjack like here in Colorado? Are there any one or
>>two deck games in Central City or Blackhawk? Can you double-down on
>>any two cards? Does the dealer hit soft 17?
>>

>BJ rules pretty bad.  Many tables have a $5 only bet (min. and max!).
>The "best" deal I found (but I was only there a couple of hours so I'll be
>looking for other poster's information) was $3-$5.  Dealer stayed on soft
>17.  You could double down on anything.  6 decks.

	I kept this with a 'world' distribution just to make sure that folks
don't get the wrong idea about Colorado blackjack.  (Just don't pin me down
on what the 'right' idea is.)

	While it is true that Bullwhackers and perhaps some of the other,
bigger casinos have predominantly $3-5 or $5 min/max tables, most of the
smaller casinos have a $2-5 spread.  One place I know even does a $1-5
spread before 11am.  So it's not quite so bad - I'd guess that the majority
of the gaming halls in BlackHawk have $2-5 tables.

	Almost all of the casinos use exclusively six-deck shoes.  I know
of one place that has two- and four-deck games, and I hear there's a place
in Central City that has a single-deck game but with poor rules.

	95% of the gaming halls I have been to have stand on soft 17, double on
any two cards, double after splitting (except aces, which get only one card),
and no surrender rules.  Almost all the halls I have been to have begun to
check dealer tens for blackjack.

	Parking is still kind of a pain.  There are usually enough spaces, I
think, but in lots further out and you still have to pay the $3-5.  A few
casinos have free lots for their customers, but you need to be one of the
first twenty folks there to get a space, or be lucky enough to catch someone
leaving.

						Jim

-- 
Jim Elliott                | "Footprints are made by shoes, but they are
elliottj@spot.colorado.edu |  far from being shoes." -- Chuang Tzu
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: If you missed the BARGE...
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:19:55 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <JACOBS.92Sep4080806@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>In article <1992Sep03.180549.6516@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>> Of course, BARGErs are welcome, as well, but we won't let jacobs in the
>> hold'em tournament.
>
>*sniff* :-(

...he's still snorting up the fruits of the last one,
with no end in sight...

				--Blair
				  "Good strategy."
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Cameo Club Update
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:26:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso) writes:
>won eight pots and so I "payed" $16 in "rake" from the house taking the
                   ahem, "paid"
-- 
Martin Veneroso
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From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


I have been to Vegas World a few times and yes the place is a pit. I remember
a lot of stains on the carpet. It has been about three years since I have
been there. Don't they have good Blackjack rules there. I think that is what
drew me there. I also remember them dealing to the bottom of the deck.

Am I correct or am I thinking of another place?

Ken
From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Taurus .44 Special vs. Charter Bulldog Snub
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:39:15 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Aug29.154813.198@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#
#I realized, as I was inspecting the Bulldog, that I am not going to
#be buying a .38 revolver.

Bulldogs are a love/hate thing. I wouldn't trade mine for a Redhawk,
but then I don't have to. (heh, heh) I find that the Charter is fun
to shoot with *light* .44 slugs and not too much fast powder. With
heavy slugs and a good load of powder, it stings the hand quite a
bit. Bulky rubber grips would help, but they detract from the handy
concealability of the little jewel. I have played with some "flamethrower"
loads with a light slug and a lot of slow powder. Impressive at night,
but your night vision is gone after the first shot. Heavy slug factory
.44 Special loads are uncomfortable. The gun seems stronger than the 
shooter. I suspect that any load *you* find comfortable will be fine by 
the gun.

Gary
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Info on Baby Eagle??
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:24:30 GMT


I just received an information package on all of Magnum Research's
products, and the "Baby Eagle" is indeed the former Jericho 941.
Calibers available are 9mm, .40 S&W, and .41 AE, with a 9mm/.41
conversion kit available.

They also mention other calibers on the way. I'd like to hope that
that includes the ever-useful 7.62 Tokarev, but I suspect they
probably mean plinking calibers like .45 ACP   :) :) :)


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
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"Don't worry about facts, Bill, no one else here does. Facts can't
alter this case."       -"Bill the Galactic Hero" Harry Harrison
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: States gun laws
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:17:02 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:


#In article <1992Sep10.171401.10256@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
## megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck) writes:
## #I am thinking of moving to another state.  Could any of you please
## #comment on gun laws in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado,
## #New Mexico, Arizona, Texas or Arkansas.  These are some of the
## #possible places I am currently looking into.  Thanks.
## 
## Washington is pretty good:  No ATF items, but 3 year CCPs are to be had 
## for $30.  Issuance is mandatory within 30 days unless you have a criminal
## record.  There is a stupid 5 day wait, but not for CCP holders.
## 
## Jim Del Vecchio

#My Washington permit is good for four years, and it only cost $23.

	4 years.  Typo.  I may also have been mistaken about the price, 
it was a while ago.

#No one said anything about mandatory insurance at the police dept.

	 _Issuance_.  It is mandatory for the police to _issue_ a
permit if you apply for one.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Warning: B&B in LA
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:24:43 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)


I just thought I would mention my recent experiences with B&B Sales in
North Hollywood. It sucks.

I think that they are getting too many customers and too few staff who
know what they are doing, plus they don't care about the customers
since there will always be another, in fact there is generally at least
one waiting, more likely around 10 people or more.

You always have to take a number, unless you are an on-duty police or
fire department person (and other special cases like knowing someone
there, yes I saw that). This applies even if you are attempting to
return something because it does not work or even to talk to the
manager. I was sold a part at the same time I picked up a gun and when
I got home I found that it could not work unless I modified the gun in
an unacceptable way. It was supposed to work with no modifications.
The salesperson I talked to said that it would work, yes I asked just
to make sure. Next time I will make sure it really works by trying it,
but I doubt that I will go to B&B again.

The problem with the number system is that they are rigid and do not
allow for quick purchases or returns. I think it is unacceptable to
have to wait for 15-20 or so to get your money back because *they* did
not know what they are selling. They did not even apologize. The
manager did say that he was being "nice" by not charging the 20%
restocking fee.  Also they *demand* your physical address, post office
boxes are NOT acceptable for return even when you paid in cash and they
did not ask for any address when you bought the junk.

When I was in there the day before a customer was rather upset because
he asked for a gun one step below a 45 and was sold a 9mm. He wanted to
change the purchase, which was done the day before, but was told that
he had to pay the 20% restocking fee, that is the rules. They did not
care in the least that he was told incorrect information. Yes, he
should have known before he bought the gun, but then again they should
not give incorrect information.

One lesson learned is to not trust them about *anything*. If you get a
magazine, try it and make sure it works. If you get a screw try it
too.  Don't believe a word they say and realize you will be on your own
if you have a problem.

Their prices are good, but not good enough to be worth the hassles and
the problems and when you add the wait, it is time to go elsewhere.
They don't need your business, so they just don't care.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

Sierra Club Leader	NRA Life Member		Pro-freedom	Pro-choice

e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com
From: ames!data.rain.com!john@cs.UMD.EDU (John Mantey)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re^2: Stupid shooter tricks
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:28:43 GMT


So, if the gun is heavy enough that you don't want to hold it for most
of your match, why doesn't somebody just build racks/tables to rest
the guns upon?  Not having ever fired a shotgun, and only having
watched a round or two of skeet shooting it doesn't seem to me to be
that unreasonable to have racks/tables on the range.  Maybe I'm wrong,
but I don't think a table at each of the stations would interfere with
tracking your erstwhile birdies.  If racks/tables are inappropriate
then howabout a simple roughly waist high stand for one rifle?
Something to simply rest the butt of the shotgun on to keep the barrel
from resting on your fragile digits.  That way if the scatter gun does
go off you don't lose your toes, you just give someone/something a bb
shower.  BTW, does anyone know what being under a shotgun pattern that
has been fired straight up would do?  I would guess that the pattern
would be so dispersed that you would probably be hit by only one/two
pellets, but how much would those pellets hurt?  Hmmmm....


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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What are some famous actor's guns
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:25:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <9209122018.AA01242@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com
(Bill Meyers) writes, in part:
#In article <1992Sep8.171117.13995@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jlw@mtuxo.att.com
#(Joseph L Wood, Iii) writes:

##I'm really glad that you're able to report that Donald Hamilton is alive
##and writing.

	Second that.  (Who will create Alt.Matt.Helm?   8)>>)
	Matt is one of the few who actually worry about stray weapons.  Makes a
	a point of accounting for them, doesn't leave them around for someone to
	pick up and use against him...

	My recollection is that he was till carrying the Woodsman in the first
	few books (The Silencers, etc), switching to something heavier about the
	same time 007 switched (under orders) from his "skeleton grip 0.25
	Berretta".  Never checked dates to see whom lead whom in that...

thanks
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: pressure stamp
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:53:14 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Sep10.184117.20801@MorningStar.Com> you write:
= In article <1992Sep9.215727.25015@cbnewse.cb.att.com> sfaber@ihlpb.att.com (Steven R Faber) writes:
= #I saw a black powder rifle that had the barrel stamped
= #700 Kp/cm^2
= #
= #Can anyone translate this to psi or offer some idea
= #of what unit Kp is?
= #
= Chamber pressure in KiloPascals per square centimeter.  

Just a comment--The pascal is a unit of pressure so the information
stamped on the barrel sounds like misuse of the unit.  Kind of
like PSI per square inch.  One pascal is one newton per square metre.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Reloading dies.  What do you think?
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:54:30 GMT
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.



|>I would like the council of netwisdom on the subject of
|>reloading dies.  Whose are good? Whose are over priced?
|>Are the Lee collet dies a good value or a waste of time?
|>What about bench rest dies would they require spending
|>$150 for a set of dies and a like amount on a Neil Jones
|>arbor press?
|>My target rifles are not great, Ruger 77-V's, but I want
|>to get the most out of them so I'm in the market for new
|>reloading dies.
|>All opinions welcome.
|>Marty
|>MBALL@AC.DAL.CA
|>
|>

	I go for RCBS dies all the way.  I think that they are of the best
quality and get the best results from them.  
	I have had problems with several of the other groups of die makers:
	
	I own 2 Lee Factory Crimp dies.  I have found that when I try and adjust
the dies, I get 2 results:
		a) I do not get enough crimp
		b) when I get enough crimp, the collet sticks to the brass
		   and pulls the collet out of the die
	I also own a Lyman 7.62x54 die which I bought new.  When I took it out
of the box, all around the opening of the sizer die had small nicks and brass
marks where it looked like somebody had used it.  Is Lyman reselling returned
dies as new?
	I have do not like the fact that Lee, Lyman and Hornaday use aluminum
in parts of their dies.  I had a discussion with a man the other day who was
having problems with his Collet dies.  He found that he was having sizing 
problems with them and was getting awful results. He felt that the aluminum
collet was squeezing itself and not the case, so the bullets would not be 
gripped properly when seated.  We both think that Lee designed their collet
dies with steel collets and then used cheaper aluminum, and did not take into
account that the modulus of elasticity of aluminum is 1/3 that if steel!
On the off chance that it was some other problem, he sent it back asking for
a new sizing die.  He got back a brand spanking new... crimp die in a different
caliber.  He cut his losses and doen no more business with them.

-- 


Eric

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From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: S&W 686 in latest issue of Handguns  and ranges
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:28:23 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Hello all  - I'd like to thank you very much for all the 
urging  I've received to spend my money.  Not too long after
I bought my Glock 21 (which I love by the way) I put a SIG 226
K-Kote on layaway ... I hate you guys :-)

Anyway my question concerns the latest issue of Handguns Magazine
(the one with the .44 special on the cover). I saw the S&W 686
revolver with the compensated 4" barrel and thought that was a 
good little gun to look into - anybody got one? I like that gun a
lot and was just wonderin'.

And one last question for you Pittsburgh natives - where is a good
place to shoot in the Pittsburgh area? Preferably a range that has
an indoor handgun firing line that is monitored by range officers, along
with a good rifle range.  I'm gettin' a little tired of having to look
over my shoulder and out the corner of my eye for idiots every time
I go to the public, unmonitored ranges.

Thanks.
From: post@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (David Post)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: RUGER MINI-14 ACCESSORIES
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:59:31 GMT


 >I would like to know if anyone can tell me how much factory 20 and 30
 >round mini-14 magazines are selling for at gun shows or shops if

Vince,
In Northern Colorado, 20 round Ruger magazines usually go for $20-$25 at a
gun show.  That is used and no box.  At one show, I saw a person advertizing
them at $40 new, in a box.  I don't know if he sold any, but I never saw
them again.

I have never seen them at retail outlets.

I advise caution if offered a 30 round *Ruger* magazine.  One source I have
read said the factory *NEVER* made 30 round mags, but claimed there were
some counterfits around.  I don't know what the truth is.

I would be interested in other folks experience.

David Post  davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post