From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: OSE: A troskyist fringe group
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:42:30 GMT

In article <Bv6GGK.8xw@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>From article <1992Sep26.011849.16325@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, by 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU:
>>>I'm not going to be side tracked into a discussion of Northern Ireland
>>>though I'll be happy to talk about in the right foru
>> 
>> 	This is the right forum and that is a critical question.
>
>Then why's it not called soc.culture.british or soc.culture.irish? BTW
>Early Irish legend has the De Danaan coming and killing a king of Greece
>to steal his pig (I think this was the property concerned). Are you sure
>you're on the right side as I suspect you're a historicist?
>
>> You seem to forget abot the case of the
>> seven Irish men that went to prison for quite a few years because the police
>> doctored the evidence to please the people that want a conviction. A conviction
>> of inosent people as it turned out.
>> 
>
>Once again, though it clearly isn't a Balkans proverb, two wrongs don't
>make a right. Whatever has happened in Britain, it still doesn't justify breeches of
>human rights in Greece. Moreover once again there is a sharp difference.
>
>You are talking about the outcome of the judicial procedure, what is
>important here is *why* the OSE activists should be on trial in the
>first place.

	What is happening here is that we are trying to defend a greek position on postings from the OSE. We did not get the whole story. Now they have lied 
before as was the case when they were describing mass ralies in my own UNI
when it was not happening. So as would be abvious they would only present a case
to their advantage. I don't know the charges for those people and have not seen
the convicted.

>Whatever the outcome of the trial in Britain of the Birmingham 6 and the (in)justice of its
>outcome, the reasons for bringing the case to trial and the reasons the
>Greek government is putting the OSE activists on trial are completely different.The Birmingham 6 were arrested and tried
>on charges of blowing up a pub which caused a
>large amount of death, that, I hope, seems a reasonable cause to arrest and try someone
>for, it is manifestly criminal o act in this way. Can you seriously
>equate such actions with the reason for putting the OSE activists on
>trial - publication of a pamphlet which didn't even
>advocate violence. I can only regret you can't see the difference
>between argument and murder. I hope we can now bury this side issue and
>discuss the matter in hand.

	Before burrying this issue I'd rather answer your question. My point is
that those people were tried and convicted on altered evidence. Because the 
police could not find anybody they just found some inocent Irish and convicted
them. As for the OSE activists you don't know what they are on trial for.
Only what we are told. As for your regrets that I can't see the diffrence here
is my summary.

	Five OSE members were arrested and trial is pending. The info we have
on Usenet to argue is from somebody that has proved to have said lies before.
	Result Greece is blamed for breach of human writes for even putting 
them through trial were they are inocent until proven guilty.
	

	A group of Irish men were arrested, tried and convicted for something
they DID NOT DO. The evidence was not there. It was created by the police
because of their incopedence in arresting anybody from those continuous
IRA attacks. 

	The only one we can bury is the OSE case unless we can get more reliable
information. My question to you is were do you thing Greece is in respect to 
human rights ? Offcourse it's rehetorical question but it proves quite a bit
to what you want to lead us to beleave.
	George
 


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>Andy