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From: Joe.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: med1-pcx
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 00:21:00 -0800

>   I have tried to file req the med1-pcx thru med6-pcx for about
>   a week with no success.  Has your system been down?  I tried to


You should have the files by now. I sent them _to_ you.

 * Origin: PowerLine 315-865-4070 Marcy NY (1:2609/7)

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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:19:00 CST
From:         "Wm. Bryant Faust, IV" <WFAUST@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Volunteer vs. Paid

> I also go to school in Monroe County New York,  Rochester.  The EMS up here is
> 90% volunteer, with two paid for-profit services.  These services do mostly
. . .
> In summary, feel that paid municipal services, supported by fees and tax
> dollars is the way to go.
>
> Brian Heath
> PA-NY FF/EMT

Here in Louisiana, the situation is quite different.  Almost all the
EMS service in this area is provided by paid, private services with
fire department rolling as first responders.  There are also some areas
served by paid municipal third services and paid police department
run EMS divisions.  Volunteer fire departments are not uncommon
in the more rural areas, but I don't know of any volunteer EMS services
around here.  This has led to some very large private companies
providing service.  Acadian Ambulance Service covers more than 1/3 of
the state as a 911 provider, and Medic One runs transports and handles
roll-overs in 4 parishes(counties) in and around New Orleans.

Bryant
WFAUST@NOMVS.LSUMC.EDU
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Survey regarding alternative medicine
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:41:25 GMT
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
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I would like to gather some info/opinions from those interested in participating.
Please feel free to reply to me personally or the whole alias if you want to
share your opinion.

I'm not going to reply to opinions being returned to me, if there
are questions regarding the survery, just e-mail me directly.

1. Please describe traditional Chinese medicine (accupuncture & herbology)
   based on your personal experience, knowledge, or opinion, even though
   you may know nothing at all (feel free to share your impression if nothing
   else).

2. What sorts of things to you think Chinese medicine can treat, if anything?

3. Do you suppose herbal medicine works?

4. Do you suppose accupuncture can treat infectious deseases?

5. What do you know about homeopathy, if anything?

6. Do you suppose homeopathy works?

7. Would you try a homeopathic treatment for say, hepatitis or asthma?

8. Culturally speaking, who do you think uses alternative medicine?
   (This can be race, counter-culture, socio-economic etc....)

Feel free to express opinions based on how you percieve alternative
medicine if you currently don't have knowledge on a subject.

And no, I'm not trying to sell anything!

Greg
From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: confined space rescue
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:41:16 -0800

 -=> Quoting Bruce Phillips to All <=-

 BP> From: Bruce.Phillips@medsys.gold.sub.org (Bruce Phillips)
 
 
 > TO ALL RESCUE PERSONEL. MY NAME IS JOE CREWS . TRAINING
 BP> 
 BP> STOP TYPING IN "CAPS" 

Can You say Please?  Thank you.



... Don't Blame Me, I Voted for BUSH!
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From: Skip.Menzies@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Skip Menzies)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Motorola MT-500 Low Band 33MHz.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:59:00 -0800

     We are looking for one or two Motorola MT-500 Low Band 33MHz.
radios, with 2 or 4 Channel capability!  If anyone out there knows of
any of these available, please leave E-Mail or call:
                              Skip Menzies,
                              Washington Co.
                              Clear Spring Vol. Fire Co.
                              (301) 842-3775
or call:
     Monday - Friday 6:35am - 8:15am (410) 396-9291
     Weekends - (301) 790-0940 
                                        Thanks,
                                        Skip Menzies
                                        Washington Co. Fire & Rescue
                                        Clear Spring Vol. Fire Co.
                                        Station 4
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From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: osha regs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:03:00 -0800

          Brian Stefanish sent

But, being a minor, I have been worked past my 5 hours and not giving a
break.  My brother, who is 17, worked 2 weeks ago Saturday 6.6 hours
before he got his break. This past Saturday, some other minor got the
screws, only he was close to 6 hours. What can one do about this
problem? Where does one turn to?

State Labor Board.
===
 * TLX v1.55* Big Brother IS watching.


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From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: lvfd
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 21:22:00 -0800

PB> Paul..
PB>  I'm glad to hear that things are going so well up there!  I still
have a
PB> soft spot in my heart for that part of the country.. If I wasn't
tied
PB> down here in Texas I would be back there right now!  Well talk more
via
PB> us snail.  C ay.
Hi Pat:
Sometime you'll have to stop up to your home town,and stop down at the
station. Just ask for me I'm always there on Wednesday Nites unless
something comes up and I can't make it.. I'm still looking in my
mailbox
for your patch that you are sending up to me from Texas. Eh sooner or
later it will arrive here in Lanesboro.

                            Adios !!
                            Paul..  
 
 * Origin: Whistle Stop BBS {Berkshire County Fire Board} (1:321/233.0)
From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: scanner database door
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:01:02 -0800

kg> Does any one know where i can find a scanner database door
kg> for an ibm bbs. I am currently running fd/remote access.

The only thing I can suggest is send netmail to Lee Laird and ask him
about the door....there IS a scanner listing door that runs with RA, but
I can't recall the name...

Seeing as you're running FD, hit <ALT> E, and <INS>.  When it asks for a
name, type Lee Laird.  I don't know his address...it's 124/7009 I
*THINK*.

He frequents the HAM echo...he's the MODERATOR there! :)

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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:02:00 EST
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Subscribe Emergency Services Discussion List  Sharon Genaux
From: Ed.McCormick@f150.n2600.z1.fidonet.org (Ed McCormick)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Echolist
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 09:56:33 -0800

 -=> Quoting David Rye to Ed McCormick <=-
 >         Anyone care to add to the list or comment?
 DR> I'll comment.  I just wish everyone would get these echos FidoNet
 DR> backbone listed instead of going through the trouble of forming
their
 DR> own networks.  Why add the additional expense of the different
routing
 DR> and so forth when a perfectly viable routing scheme is already set
up
 DR> with FidoNet? 

        I understand what you are saying.  Do you think that FIDO would
        discuss adding the various echos that apply only to one group
        of interested users.  Would 20 or so (more most likely) be a
        major problem?  Please be assured, no one is trying to hurt
        FidoNet or take away the importance or the Net.
q
        Thanks for the reply.....

 
... We support ONE National/International Fire & Emergency Net, Do You?
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: cliff@buster.stafford.tx.us (Cliff Tomplait)
Subject: Re: Volunteer vs. Paid.
Organization: Buster irby
Distribution: misc
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:44:13 GMT

silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber) writes:

>But, it is harder and harder to get volunteers -- particularly in the day
>time.

>With the increasing demand for ALS
>(and the potential elimination of the EMT-3 level) it becomes unreasonable
>to expect enough volunteers to seek paramedic-level training.

It all boils down to MANAGEMENT of the volunteer services!  The service is
a team (not just a collection of individuals who want to ride the truck).

The key elements are training, motivation and direction.  Give people in
the community the opportunity to contribute and they will.

I am teaching the current paramedic completer course at the college.
Every one of the students is volunteer (not a completely unusual class
with today's hiring freeze at HFD).  While most are being sponsored
(tuition) by a volunteer service, some are paying their own way (and
it isn't cheap).

It ISN'T unreasonable to expect volunteers to seek EMT-P.  Quite the
contrary, my observation is that volunteers seek more and more training
and education.

Cliff the VOLUNTEER Paramedic
(BCLS-AF, ACLS-I, BTLS-I, ABLS-P, EMS-I(Adv), EMS-E(Adv), etc, etc)

Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com (Scott Traurig)
Subject: Re: What is policy for driving
Followup-To: misc.emerg-services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:17:11 GMT

In article <721033958.F00019@remote.halcyon.com>,
Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips) wrote:
> 
> > Just wondering what the policy is for Volunteers driving to
> > the station to respond to their alarm?
>  
> In the Town of Auburn N.H. we allow Fire Fighters to use lights and
> sirens but only after we issue them a permit to do so. Once they are
> given this they must obey all laws set forth by the State of N.H...

   In Merrimack, NH, volunteer firefighters and EMTs are allowed to respond
in the same manner that an emergency vehicle would after being given verbal
permission by the Ambulance or Fire Department (they are separate). 
Response is to the scene or to the station depending on the type of call.

   NH law requires only an audible *OR* visual warning device be used, both
are not necessary.  As an emergency vehicle, you are exempt from all
traffic laws except safe operation (thereby putting the usual onus of
responsibility on the operator), and all other vehicles are required by law
to yield the right of way.  So if you are "requesting" the right of way and
they don't move, they're in
troooouuuuublllllle :-)

   The only problem volunteers have in our town is that the unofficial
"emergency vehicle speed limit" is 10-15 MPH over the posted limit.  While
this is generally ignored by everyone, occassionally a volunteer responding
in his or her POV will get stopped, and sometimes even ticketed, on the way
to a scene!  If you are driving the ambulance or other apparatus, no
problem, but noooooooo, if it's your POV it's the old double standard, no
matter how much you spent on those lights and siren.  I'm just waiting for
it to happen to me so I can fight that one in court!  ;-)

Scott Traurig, EMT-A (eoa/mast)
Merrimack (NH) Ambulance Rescue Squad
email.straurig@email.sanders.lockheed.com
From: Brian.Stefanish@f507.n2601.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Stefanish)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: OSHA regs
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 14:01:16 -0800

 >  1. OSHA regulations apply to ALL employers (public & private).
 >
 >
 >  2. Whether federally or state enforced at a minimum is the federal
 >     rule. States may change to make more stringent not less
effective.
 >

I understand your point.

But, being a minor, I have been worked past my 5 hours and not giving a
break.  My brother, who is 17, worked 2 weeks ago Saturday 6.6 hours
before he got his break. This past Saturday, some other minor got the
screws, only he was close to 6 hours.
What can one do about this problem? Where does one turn to?

 * Origin: Mabel's Mansion  Sharon, PA  412 981-3151 (1:2601/507)
From: CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET (AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: What is policy for driving
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:20:16 GMT
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In our department (VFD), for FF's to be permitted to use lights and sirens
on their POV's, they had to obtain their Basic Certification (FF) and obtain
their Texas Volunteer Firefighter license plates.  The Chief has final
authority over all persons using lights and sirens.  Once, we had too many
people responding direct and too few responding to the station that he
suspended permitting new applications for siren and light usage in POVs.

Christophe
From: Bob.Watson@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Mast question
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 10:07:00 -0800

KR>not to worry about using the leg straps to a KED because they
KR>weren't used in the City.  When I went home to Nassau Co. the
KR>local VFD had the straps as part of their protocol.  What's the
KR>difference there?  Please explain.


It's what you call use the straps. If the boys in the big city want to
take short cuts and put patient care second so they get the job done
faster, let them. The same thing happens here. The guys who work in the
city try to push their ways on us and it just doesn't fly. The company
who made the KED put the straps there for a very good reason, so use
them. Patient care is the reason we do what we do. Not to collect a
paycheck!


                                        Bob
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:39:00 EST
From:         MHODOSH1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Message for Marc Hodash, Re: college EMS

BRIAN,
I TRIED TO E MAIL YOU AND IT ALSO DIDN'T WORK.  MY E MAIL ADDRESS IS
MHODOSH1@ITHACA.BITNET

IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN JUST WRITE BACK ON THE LIST AND LEAVE YOUR TEL #???
I'LL TRY AND GIVE YOU A CALL.

THANKS

MARC HODOSH
NJ & NY EMT
From: John.Nelson@f107.n105.z1.fidonet.org (John Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Mast Question
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:33:00 -0800

GS> Pulmonary Edema is the one aboslute contraindication, as stated
above.
GS> The reason is actually quite simple. In pulmonary edema the primary
GS> problem is fluid overload in the lung due to the inability of the
left
GS> side of the heart to pump with sufficient force to overcome the
GS> Systemic Vascular Resistance. The application of MAST would only
make

Hmmm.... Seems like there is a very DEFINITE physiologic
response to MAST then, negative in this case, but very real,
just the same.


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Hello...Incontinence Hotline. Can you hold?


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From: Paul.Vallone@f220.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches++
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 18:27:16 -0800

George:
 GV> Paul,
 GV>         I don't mean to keep you waiting but we officially paid for

 GV> them in about 1 week.  Asoon as I get one its is 
 GV> YOURS.  Thanks for your patientce.  ALso you 
 GV> mentioned you would copy some Fire Clip Art for me. 
 GV>  How many low-density disks would I need for your 
 GV> good ones (working fires,rescues,pumpers, or 
 GV> emblems).  Thanks again.  I really appreciate you 
 GV> allowing me to put your patch on my board and 
 GV> waiting this long for a patch.  I Really am sorry 
 GV> that it has taken this long.  WOuld have written 
About those Gif pictures! I use Double Density disks..
Why don't  you request the Whistle.arj (complete file list)
and request some of them?
1:231/233 Whistle Stop
 
Paul

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From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: AFA training..
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:48:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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In article <721053071.F00020@remote.halcyon.com> Michael.Seneco@f340.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Seneco) writes:
>
>
>      Yes Diana, the American Red Cross IS changing there AFA class. In
>
>      actuality, they no longer teach AFA. The first of 1993 they will
>      be offering a class called Red Cross First Responder - FIrst Aid
>      for the Professional Rescuer. 

Slight correction here - the class will be called "Emergency Response"

>
>      This class will include more intense instruction on managment of
>the
>      trauma patient, more medical diagnostic skills including vital
>signs,
>      and introduction to Oxygen Therapy. 
>
>      Most Red Cross units have stopped teaching AFA, as they are making
>the
>      change over in instructors to the new class. This does depend on
>the need 
>      and demand for the class in each area. 


The new Emergency Response class is not going to be released until next
March.  That means that instructors won't be retrained until sometime
after March, depending on where National schedules the roll out courses
for instructor trainers.  Palo Alto Area Chapter is still planning on
teaching our spring AFA course since it would be summer before we can
teach an Emergency Response class.  I suspect this will be the case with
other chapters as well. 


>      For those who are certified in AFA, your certification will remain
>valid
>      for the stated period, but you will not be albe to refresh it, you
>will have
>      to take the new course. 
>
>      The material is very good, has been OSHA and AMA approved. It has
>brought
>      Red Cross FA Training into the 1990's. Finally....
>
>      Good Luck !
>
>
>      Michael Seneco
>      American Red Cross
>      New Haven, CT

Julie Paque
Health Services Committee
Co-chair
Palo Alto Area Chapter
From: Joe.Vaccaro@f702.n715.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hi, Ed.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 18:21:29 -0800

Hello from Hermitage Fire Department, Hermitage, PA.  You are the second
 
fire fighter from Boardman I've read on FireNet.  Thought I'd say hi and
 
ask you to pass on greetings to Chief deSaulles and Jim McCreary.  I  
think they'll know who I am (hi).  Glad to know other 'locals' are on
the  
net.  I'll keep you in mind as a contact to J.B. and Jim.  Take care,
Ed.


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From: Michael.Beddows@f132.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Beddows)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: DROP
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 06:00:00 -0800

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From: Eddie.Ferguson@f709.n7301.z8.fidonet.org (Eddie Ferguson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: What is policy for driving
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 12:36:00 -0800

 > Just wondering what the policy is for Volunteers
 > driving to the station to respond to their alarm?


Policy in what regards? Response nature (lights/siren, etc?).

Our department allows volunteer to have red lights and sirens (a siren
is required by law when a red light is used) if they have a state
permit, which certifies the vehicle as an emergency vehicle. To get this
permit, the chief and mayor must approve an application completed by the
volunteer. Before they will sign it, we must have a letter from the
volunteer's vehicle insurance company stating that they are aware of the
volunteer's intended use of the vehicle and that the insurance company
approves and will cover the vehicle for such use.

Once all that is done, volunteers may use their warning devices for
serious calls (structure fires, cardiac arrests, haz-mat calls, etc.).
Calls where there is no life or major structure hazard is involved, the
devices are prohibited (ie. brush fires, minor injury calls, etc.). Of
course, this only applies to volunteers in POVs not to apparatus. They
may use them whether responding to the station or to the scene.


Take care!
           Eddie
           Sergeant, Peachtree City Fire and Rescue

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From: Bill.Gatewood@f104.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Gatewood)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Echolist
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 00:34:03 -0800

*** Quoting Ed Mccormick to David Rye dated 11-05-92 ***
>         I understand what you are saying.  Do you think that FIDO
would
>         discuss adding the various echos that apply only to one group
>         of interested users.  Would 20 or so (more most likely) be a
>         major problem?  Please be assured, no one is trying to hurt
>         FidoNet or take away the importance or the Net.
> ... We support ONE National/International Fire & Emergency Net, Do
You?

Hi Ed!  Thanks for bringing up the discussion again.  I did the same
thing several months ago, hoping to draw interest to more SPECIFIC
fire/ems related echos and finally added them to EMERGNET.  Although the
volume of traffic is less than FIRENET, they are in more detail for the
target audience.

I support the FIRENET echo and love to read the messages.  The ones we
have in EMERGNET now only enforce FIRENET, and don't bore the general
user.  But, with several of the big boards coming on line, we need to be
sure and cross post some of the more general information for these
readers.

See you soon!

Bill Gatewood

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:12:00 CST
From:         "Wm. Bryant Faust, IV" <WFAUST@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Volunteer vs. Paid

> I also go to school in Monroe County New York,  Rochester.  The EMS up here is
> 90% volunteer, with two paid for-profit services.  These services do mostly
. . .
> In summary, feel that paid municipal services, supported by fees and tax
> dollars is the way to go.
>
> Brian Heath
> PA-NY FF/EMT

Here in Louisiana, the situation is quite different.  Almost all the
EMS service in this area is provided by paid, private services with
fire department rolling as first responders.  There are also some areas
served by paid municipal third services and paid police department
run EMS divisions.  Volunteer fire departments are not uncommon
in the more rural areas, but I don't know of any volunteer EMS services
around here.  This has led to some very large private companies
providing service.  Acadian Ambulance Service covers more than 1/3 of
the state as a 911 provider, and Medic One runs transports and handles
roll-overs in 4 parishes(counties) in and around New Orleans.

Bryant
WFAUST@NOMVS.LSUMC.EDU