From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Commentary On Yochanan's Good-News 4/5
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:33:07 GMT
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        does this fit all the accounts, but also show Judas keeping the
        very basic requirements of the Pesach as in Jer.Chall.57b (& so
        statement by Hillel while the Temple stood), the 'sop'
        containing a piece of the Pesach Lamb and Matsah with Bitter-
        herbs.  This would also cause less surprise when he left the
        Sedar at this point [See:Jn13:29 commentary].
        This also brings to mind 'having a taste of righteousness...'.
        Also it would be before Judas partook of the Passover meal
        proper, and the Communion, (which makes better theological
        sense), and fits all the Good-News accounts in this regard,
        (including Luke's account I believe. [See: Lk22:23,21-22,24
        Commentary]).   [Tanach on betrayal Ps.41:9]   Matsah=unleaven
        bread -[Ex.12:17-20].
JN13:27 Note the order that I believe the statements of this verse, and
        Mt26:25, occured (in the MNV Harmony).  If in this order, it
        would indicate yet another reason that the talmidim wouldn't
        have reacted to Judas' response, as Judas in Mt26:25, would be
        answering the statement from Yeshua in Jn13:27.
        'That thou doest, do quickly', is interesting in that Judas
        when leaving the Seder would be faced with a decision, -to wait
        until the members of the Sanhedrin finished their Seder or, -to
        go 'quickly' to them, which would have caused them to hurry and
        finish their Seder to assemble to arrest Him.  Had he not gone
        early, the time-table would have been thrown off, and Yeshua
        would have been arrested later, which could have resulted in
        His not being crucified at the time of the Evening Sacrifice,
        etc..  So, Yeshua's statement shows not only having knowledge
        of the betrayal, but of all elements in the necessary timing of
        the betrayal to fulfill Prophecy, knowing before-hand in the
        Spirit.
JN13:29 The provision and preparation of the needful food, and of all
        that was needful for the feast was allowed on the 15th Nisan
        expressly in the Mishnah.  This would have been especially so
        when the 1st day of the feast was followed by a Shabbat. -{Life
        & Times/Eders. Book5:10,508} The Temple-gates were opened at
        midnight to prepare for the offering of the Chagigah, or
        festive sacrifice, and the remainder of which was was
        afterwards eaten at a festive meal.-[Note: Yochanan/John 18:28
        (not the Pesach meal)].  The poor who gathered around the
        Temple might then seek to obtain the help of the charitable.
JN13:30 And it was {became(?)} night, seems to be not only descriptive
        of the time that it was, but possibly as being early in the
        Seder.  Yochanan was telling us that it had JUST become, or
        just entered into night, (or the sun had not long ago set),
        which at the time that Judas left would also have been the
        case.
JN13:31 (@ SHULAN ORECH, THE PESACH-SUPPER/MEAL)
JN13:35 {Aboth 5:19}
JN14:9  RABBINIC:  [On Is.9:6; R. Ibn Ezra:] ...There are some
        interpreters who say that 'Wonderful, Everlasting Father' are
        Names of G-d and only 'Prince of Peace' is the Name of the
        Child.  But according to my view the interpretation is right
        (which says): all are the Names of the Child.
JN14:16 {Aboth 4:11}
JN15:16 {Aboth 1:6}
JN16:2  {Sanhedrin 9:6}
JN18:1  {Yoma 5:6; Meilah 3:3; Middoth 3:2}
JN18:13 {Kerithoth 1:7}
JN18:18 {Tamid 1:1}
JN19:28 {Tamid 3:4}
JN19:29 {Kelim 9:4; Negaim 14:6; Parah 11:7-9}

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