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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:53:06 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <michaelh.727842970@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:
>
>>I hope he sings better than Shatner and Nimoy did on their
>>albums....
>
>i don't know that shatner singing "lucy in the sky with diamonds" or
>nimoy singing "proud mary" on the golden throats album can be
>adequately described in words.  simply amazing (in its own way).

You should hear Nimoy's tour de force, _Two Sides of Leonard Nimoy_,
in which he sings, as Spock: Highly Illogical, The Difference Between
Us, Once I Smiled, Spock Thoughts [which is actually the Desiderata],
By Myself, Follow Your Star, and Amphibious Assault.  As Leonard Nimoy,
he sings: The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins, Cotton Candy, Gentle on my Mind,
Miranda, If I Were a Carpenter, and Love of the Common People.

Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins, only three feet tall.
Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins, the bravest little hobbit of them all....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:34:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.174257.18749@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>Today's (1/21/93) New York Times reported (on the front page)
>that Clinton aides told them that Clinton will ask Defense
>Secretary Les Aspin to prepare an executive order for his
>signature "sometime in the next few months."

Rod: an editorial you transcribed from the NYT argued that it would be
a bad move, symbolically at least, for Clinton to order Aspin to do
the deed.  So does this mean that Clinton will issue the executive
order, or that Aspin will?  And does it really make much of a
difference, since Clinton is known to be behind the order anyway?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:32:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.085755.15347@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>Speaking of vulgar, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you have the 
>bottle to jump in. 
>
>Just which was it that led to your expulsion of Clay from SPDCC steve?
>The surface Clay? the depths of Clay?

It was Clay's unfortunate anti-Semitic streak, which he demonstrated once
too often for my taste.  He was a guest here, and he didn't act like a
guest.  He embarassed me and my Jewish friends.  I exercised my perogative
for which I offer no apologies.

>>With Melmon, what you see is what you get, mostly.  And that's spite
>>without much intelligence or wit to make him worth reading.  Believe me,
>>you're not doing him any favor by comparing him to Clay Bond.
>
>Oh do wax eloquently in regards to our ..
>dear....
>lost ...
>brother Clay..
>
>Clay! Clay! where are you Clay.
>
>you make me puke , you contemptable little shit.

What happened, Owen?  Didn't take your happy pill today?
My, my, this conversion of yours was short lived and shallow.

Clay doesn't have an account here; that doesn't mean that
I think any less of him--he was always (like all of us)
a mixture of more and less admirable qualities.  I haven't
seen much of anything admirable in Melmon's articles.

>I had almost forgotten how disgusting 
>I find you.
>Chalk it up to some more spite  Steve.

Whatever is is, you certainly seem to have a lot of it.

>Keep this in mind Steve.
>
>If your at an event and I'm around
>I'm not  particularly interested in preetnding that
>I care whether or not you get to  draw another breath.

Love you too, Owen.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:10:22 GMT
Organization: JPL, Space Imaging Radar Software Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov


In article <C18snB.5oL@unix.amherst.edu>, 
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

|>There's something deliciously appropriate about a thread entitled "Tim
|>Chain Porn" degenerating almost exclusively into a discussion about
|>VAX administration.  Most people who know me would find it perfectly
|>in character.

This Tim, too.  What would I be today if it wasn't for Digital ?  Certainly
a lot poorer.

--
Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV)
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1 and SRL-2
SRL-1:  STS-59, launch date April 14, 1994
SRL-2:  STS-68, launch date December 1, 1994
finger me for more info
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Advice needed-Bad comming out experience
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:44:15 GMT

pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:
>mchan@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Ming-Hing Chan) writes:
>>(stuff deleted for space)
>>They sent him to a psychiatrist to try to 'CURE' him. The worst thing is
>>that the psychiatrist told his mother that he could change if he wanted to.
>>His mom truly thinks that he can be cured.   She told him that it wasn't bad
>>to have a disease as long as you try to cure it.  She said, "why don't you
>>want to take some pills just like your father does to control his 
>>high-blood pressure.'

>I'm sure that you'll hear this from others, but he really needs a new
>shrink.  He needs someone supportive, not someone who will try to
>lay this "cure" crap on him.  Not all psychiatrists are created equal.

	NO offense but this is as useful as "what really needs to happen 
is for his folks to not be homophobes".  The parents have no motivation
whatsoever to go to a different shrink - they got the answer they
wanted to hear.  Hearing dissenting opinions from other shrinks
isn't likely to have any effect - it contradicts their predetermined
answer.  He needs to seek counseling, but outside of
his parents influence.  For most people under 25 that is difficult
to arrange both logistically and financially...  There is rarely
if ever a "perfect and simple" solution.

BBC
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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:20:50 GMT

japg0962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Allen Phebus) writes:


>Fallwell is a real asshole.  He, Pat Roberston and other religious fundies
>are just waiting to attack Clinton the first time he tries to moderate
>any of the Reagan/Bush teams bigoted policy.  I hope as time passes more
>and more people will tune out to these creeps dismissing their shrill
>fanaticism for what it is.

I wish we had kill files in the real world, mine would be chock full with
people like Falwell, Robertson, Mabon, Dannemeyer, Helms, Tebedo, Graham
(Billy and Phil), Dornan.  

>Personaly, I don't understand why the government doesn't revoke Fallwell and
>Robertson's tax exempt status.  Both are clearly engaged in non-religious
>politically partisan lobbying.  Somebody ought to do something...

I think the IRS is looking into the 700 Club crowd as we speak.  The money 
trail weaves a lot of places, but clearly they've been hiding behind their
tax exempt status to do political organizing.  Even the US Government has
begun to notice.




-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c++g+k++s-e++    | "I tried using UNIX once, 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)        |  but I felt as though 
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)     |  I was 'bothering' it."
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:29:28 GMT

coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>> 
>> Are you CHALLENGING me? Oh dear, I may have to fuck 'em all just to
>> preserve my sense of honor...

>I read this the first time as "sense of humor". An interesting way to
>preserve either, in any case.

EcCUSE me? Are you trying to say something, buddy? Do you think I won't
come after you, too? Huh? HUH?

John, finding a new combatative streak that just might be an asset

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

	  If I wait for the rain to kiss me and undress me
		Will I look a fool - wet and a mess?
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Melissa Etheridge Comes Out - Yaahoo!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:21:01 GMT

murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy) writes:



>Etheridge coming out is hardly a surprise.  Last year, in a published
>interview, she gave her reasons for not coming out.

Etheridge is an intersting case. EVERYONE knew she was a dyke, but she refused
to actually come out in print anywhere, so the ``mainstream'' media would 
constantly 'in' her.

But yet she was never outed.

Or even threatened with outing, as far as I know.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"An informed community is a strong community.'' Cindy Freedman of THIS WAY OUT

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:15:06 GMT

In article <1jnfmlINNojb@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <brsmith.727658272@duncan>, brsmith@duncan.cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes:
> 
> |> ever logged into, and the first I administrated.  VMS?  What's that?  I
> |> had Mt. Xinu 4.3BSD with NFS and *source*, and I *liked* it...
> 
> Well, when I was a kid, you had to boot the machine by flipping switches
> on the front.

  NOW STOP THAT! Otherwise the ones who were bedding Alan Turing are
gunna start reminiscing. Switches and Cardreads and Booting, Oh My!
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: High School Athletes (lusher)
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <ALLEMANG.93Jan21144020@liasun7.epfl.ch> allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang) writes:
>In article <C12JoH.K3K@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>   I must learn not to read Jojo in public whilst wearing sweat pants.
>
>One wonders why?  
>
>I imagine Tim sitting in a public terminal room, work stations in
>half-carels, providing only an illusion of privacy.  He has decoded
>The systems programmer was looking over his shoulder at the screen -
>how long had he been there?  
<rest of story deleted> 
>
>With apologies to Tim (whom I have never even met), Jojo, Arnold 
and anyone else who might want an apology.  

Boyz, please!! and to think, Tim, whom I've never met either, sits just a mile
or two away from here.......    ;-)      I liked the story too.

jd


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From: cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: USA 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:06:25 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <C16DMK.3s@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>>	Anyway, this is probably one of the things that frustrates me
>>>most about the gay male community, particularly here in the south
>>>where most of our southern belles are deathly allergic to chocolate,
>>>and most gay men of color aren't merely closeted, they're in the
>>>shoeox under the floorboards in the closet.
>>

May I interject here? This brings up an interesting point, and I will most
likely get into all kinds of shit for saying this, BUT, the thought behind
what I am about to say is what is most important....(God, what a disclaimer!)

IMHO, one of the reasons that there is such a problem between races in the
south is exaclty what you said: most gay men of color aren't merely closeted,
they're in the shoebox under the floorboards.... We don't know you! I have
never been a racist, and I wish I had more friends of color. I enjoy the
diversity, I also enjoy the commonality that we share. But there are so few
men of color who are active in the community that I'm not given that 
opportunity.  It's kind of like if you don't have the exposure to someone or
some thing, then you have nothing to go on but the stereotypes because you
haven't experienced the reality. I try not to think that way, but I know
people do, and sometimes I am equally guilty. 

Ok, now before you blast away at me.....think!

-- 
Chip Graham      cgraham@convex.com         +1 214 497 4642
Convex Computer Corporation 
3000 Waterview Parkway     
Box 833851, Richardson,Tx,75083
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:52:08 GMT

alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>Ah, but there you are mistaken, grasshopper.  The Brits find the drinking
>of HERBAL tea an affectation beyond belief.  They MUST have their caffeinated
>variety.  

>Alpha
>"Caffeinated tea is so acidic it makes me puke"
S'alright dearie, I drink the caffinated ones too.  I've been known to
brew some of my more potent ones and drink them straight when most
coffee drinkers are trying the same and changing colors.  I wonder
if Vikings sing about tea as well? :)
-Points (Tea swilling brute of a dragon)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:09:06 GMT

In article <77557@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Clay Bond taught me, albeit indirectly, that sometimes it pays to read
>past what appears, on the surface, to be hateful and vulgar.

Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.

>Several
>years ago I would have reacted very differently to Matthew's contributions.
>He is not for everyone; but then, who _is_ on this forum?  There are gems
>to be found amongst all that hard, black coal.

With Melmon, what you see is what you get, mostly.  And that's spite
without much intelligence or wit to make him worth reading.  Believe me,
you're not doing him any favor by comparing him to Clay Bond.

>I do not read postings by people who are clearly homophobic or have thinly-
>veiled agendas of homophobia.  Those people are in my kill file.  We all
>have our hot buttons, and *X*, bless him, can push many common ones
>simultaneously in one posting.  I mostly laugh out loud at his rantings,
>because I believe that he usually is not serious or hateful.  

Yeah, I just _loooved_ his comments on gay men who like sex.
The little fucker was a real stitch.  Doesn't this moron know
that he's among people for whom this isn't an abstract matter?

>Strong opinions?  Sure.  Do I agree with everything he says?  No.  But
>hardly reasons to kill-file him.  And he really _is_ funny at times.  

Be sure to point those times out.

>My only regret is that he seems to have difficulties with people I feel
>genuine friendship towards.  But it is no different in my "real" (non-email)
>life; there are people I simply do not mix together in social situations.
>So?

Yeah, well, be sure to keep this in mind if you're having an event
the next time.  I can't imagine anyone being particularly interested
in actually meeting Melmon unless he had a personality transplant first.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:37:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C1JxpJ.Dyw@queernet.org>, rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A.
Klorese) wrote:
> 
> Here's a "brainless moron" vote from the West.

You got that right... But what are you voting for?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: soc.motss brunch in NYC: thank you
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:52:42 GMT

In article <thaaang.728148346@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>(Say Doron; doesn't Doron Dorrance have a wonderful *ring* to it?
>I sure think so...)

*SLAP!*  You get away from Greg and I's baby, you, you, *PERVERT*.  He's
going to marry a doctor, not the likes of you!  Right Greggie poo?

Ry
ry@usl.com
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From: richard@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Carels)
Subject: Re: Best Response? (Was Tips for coming out to friends?)
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:34:22 GMT

> In article <1993Jan27.185703.3963@spdcc.com>, shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer) writes:
 
 |> So what's the best response you've gotten to a direct coming-out?  To
 |> an oblique one?  The funniest?
 
Every possible response, from 'Yes, I know' through 'Gee, I always thought
you were bi' and 'are you sure?' to 'No, I'm sure you're not!'
But not one made any problems and I haven't lost a friend because of it yet.

RC.

-- 

Richard Carels,  University of Amsterdam, Computer Science Department
                 Kruislaan 403, 1098 SJ AMSTERDAM
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From: rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:09:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.115306.4305@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.101331.11070@resonex.com>
>michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
>
>>[Or perhaps this strange problem
>>stems from that recent night where the number of men just couldn't
>>be counted reliably...  ;-)]
>
>Sounds inordinally sinful to me.

No, Jess, I think if you have so many you lose count it's considered a
cardinal sin.

--Rich, who is sure he'll regret having encouraged Jess Anderson
  in a pun thread
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Katharine Hepburn
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:24:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <15701.2b6780ec@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> 
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
> In article <1k6mnhINN1nc@mizar.usc.edu>,
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> [discreetly correcting my spelling error]:

I'm so polite.

> > Well, Silk Stockings was a mistake from the word go.
>
> It's not the greatest music Cole Porter ever wrote, but some of the numbers 
> are very fine.  The script suffered, I suppose, in the transition to
> the musical.

Yes, some of the numbers are good.  But then there are
Gretchen Wyler's numbers.  And "The Red Blues".  And 
"Siberia".  Yuck.

> > I don't dispute the fact that Garbo did things with 
> > the characters she played, but I have to tell you that
> > one of the things that surprised me so much when I 
> > saw the LA County Museum of Art retrospective (I ended
> > up seeing all of her American films in the space of
> > about 4 weeks) was how limited her range really was.
> > That didn't change my feeling that Garbo is the 
> > greatest screen star of all time.
>
> Some of that may be due to the choice of roles the movie moguls 
> gave her, perhaps?  "She was good in this role; the audience liked
> her in it; let's give her something similar"?

She was stuck in an awful lot of movies that were variations
of each other, but even in roles as dissimilar as those she 
played in "Anna Christie" and "The Painted Veil" there's
a sameness.  I'm not complaining, believe me.  Garbo is the
most endlessly fascinating person ever to have made movies.

> >> Perhaps it would help me understand what _you_ mean by "great actor"
> >> if you gave me an example of someone you thought was one.
> > 
> > Jo Van Fleet.
>
> Oh dear.  Now, I'm not saying I don't know who Jo Van Fleet is, but
> if I were to say so, would they take away my queer card?

No, your card is safe.  Jo Van Fleet was so impossible to
work with that she didn't work very much.  Let's see.  She
played James Dean's mother in "East of Eden".  She has a
small part in "The Rose Tattoo".  She's in "I Love You,
Alice B. Toklas".  A couple of other things.

But you want an example of someone I think is a "great actor"
as distinct from a "great movie star".  Hmmmm.  How about
Helen Mirren?

Arne
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Advice needed-Bad comming out experience
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:52:22 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan26.174415.17866@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	NO offense but this is as useful as "what really needs to happen 
>is for his folks to not be homophobes".  The parents have no motivation
>whatsoever to go to a different shrink - they got the answer they
>wanted to hear.  Hearing dissenting opinions from other shrinks
>isn't likely to have any effect - it contradicts their predetermined
>answer.  He needs to seek counseling, but outside of
>his parents influence.  For most people under 25 that is difficult
>to arrange both logistically and financially...  There is rarely
>if ever a "perfect and simple" solution.

You're absolutely right, given his age and the fact that his parents
are probably paying for the therapy.

Under the circumstances, the best thing for him to do is probably to
stop seeing the offending shrink AT ALL and try to arrange for counseling
of his own, if possible.

Peggy
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From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Apple extends benefits to same-sex domestic partners
Date: 29 Jan 93 02:02:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

For those who may not have heard the news yet, Apple today announced that
it plans to extend "hard cost" benefits (i.e. health benefits) to the
same-sex domestic partners of its U.S. employees starting July 1, 1993.

Apple extended "soft cost" benefits (use of the fitness center, bereavement
leave, etc.) to domestic partners of employees in July, 1992, but hesitated
to go any further until now.

John Sculley's announcement today is *very* welcome news, and more details on
what all of this means to Apple employees will be available during the
open enrollment period in April.

Way to go!

bz
-- 
   Bradley C. Zaller  ::  Apple Computer, Inc.  ::  brad@apple.com

  "As she lay there dozing next beside me, a voice inside my head kept
   saying 'Relax. . . you're not the first doctor who's ever slept with
   one of his patients,' but another kept reminding me, 'Howard, you're
   a veterinarian.'"
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