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From: dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Plain Talk About When Your Child Starts School (LONG)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:56:44 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Aug19.140603.5550@crd.ge.com>, vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier) writes:
|> I'd be interested to hear the experience of other parents (& their children)
|> to the first day of public school, following 4-5 years of center-based
|> day care.

Kindergarten turned out to be quite a challenge for my son, following 5 years
of center-based day care.  I believe all the following contributed to his
problems.  First, general items:
  Larger class, 25 vs. 10 .
  More structure, fewer play times and lots more tasks to be accomplished.
  He found circle time boring and would act up then.
  Travelling on a school bus was a new experience, especially the one after
    school which had up to 6th graders on it  (the kids had assigned seats by
    grade BTW).  The bus driver yelled a lot at the kids (during the 5 minute
    drive!!)

Things specific to my son and his environment:
  He was the next to the youngest boy (with a June birthday and a Dec. 1 cut off)
    so some kids were almost a year older than him and thus more mature.
  He was in afternoon kindergarten and was just phasing out his afternoon nap.
  The only kid he knew in the class was in his day care center and they were a
    very bad combination, bringing out the worst in each other.  He ended up
    as one of the bad kids in the class and didn't like it and didn't know
    that this could be changed (which it was by the end of the year with
    great cooperation from his teacher who eventually had brought this to our
    attention in January).

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.201231.22562@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca>, marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson) writes:
> 
> I think this is a matter of opinion. Everybody has her own personality.
> Everybody has a minimum amount of time they have to have alone. For some
> people, it's very close to zero hours a day, in which case "free" time
> is a luxury, and going from six hours of free time to two hours *is*
> more traumatic than going from two hours to one hour.
> 
> For other people, the critical amount of time alone is more like 90 minutes
> a day. If people like this don't get that amount of time alone, they become
> terminally cranky and eventually can't function. For a person like that,
> going from two hours of free time a day to one hour of free time *is*
> more traumatic than the bigger drop was.
> 
> You can always tell those people because they are the ones who will
> sacrifice sleep to stay up alone at night. Or they work strange hours
> so that they are totally alone for part of the day. Or they figure out
> some other strategy to give themselves that kind of time alone.

You mean there are others like me!   And here I've been thinking
there was something strange/selfish about me because I needed
a couple of hours of my own time each day (reading misc.kids
is part of meeting that need).  Especially after reading 2,000
articles telling women to "take some time for yourself for a change.
Have a bubblebath.  Get a manicure.  Read a book."  And I'd
be thinking, "I already TAKE that time" (even if it usually end
s up coming out of my sleep).  And if I don't get it, I'm cranky.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Out of touch
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:12:07 GMT
Organization: Trent University, Ontario


Sorry to do this so publically, but this machine
doesn't support "forward." I'm on vacation till
Labour Day. We're taking the Polar Bear Express
to James Bay, then later driving right around Lake
Superior. Four adults and four children (three under 4 years old).
Fun? Wow!

So, don't send me mail, or at least if you do don't
expect a reply. Eleven days after we get back is my
final thesis defence...

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Plain Talk About When Your Child Start
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:07:45 GMT

In article 5550@crd.ge.com, vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier) writes:
>
>Can anyone cite any articles that take the child's experience into
>account?  I believe the day that he enters kindergarten could
>be a big day (altho' the current plan is to have him stay in his present
>day care facility for their all day kindergarten program); but I wonder
>if this day will be a bigger milestone for me or for him.
>
>Perhaps first grade will be the bigger adjustment: bigger classes, more
>structured, etc.

My son is entering kindergarten in the same manner, just another room
in his preschool.  BUT, both us and his school do treat the
kindergarteners quite differently and we're hoping that he will not be
too surprised by the differences.  One thing very different is that
this is a non-academic pre-school so this will be the beginning of
academic efforts for him.  The materials used in kindergarten were made
available as "toys" to the pre-K class so they will be familiar with
them.  But now they will be used as teaching aids.  We've tried to
emphasize to David that now begins the time when he will learn many
wonderful things that will give him many new opportunities and the
faster he learns them the sooner these things will happen.  How this
comes out is "after you learn to read we can start renting Nintendo
programs with words in them".  So it should be familiar but not too
familiar.  It will be interesting to see how he adjusts to the
changes.

According to the teacher the curriculum is exactly the same as the
public schools.  The advantages are smaller class size and more extra
activities.  Since David will then be entering public school in the
first grade I would also like to here other stories on this type of
transition.

Thanks!




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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Julie Melody <Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Funny Things They Say (4 yrs old)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 10:08:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Nicholas will be 4 the end of this month.  Recently we were at the store
and he
wanted to buy bubble gum.  I reluctantly agreed and he chose watermelon
flavor.
When we were the next in line to check out he suddenly got a very alarmed
look
on his face and announced, "I can't buy WATERMELON bubblegum!!!"  "Why
not", I
asked?  "You like watermelon don't you"?  He paused for a moment and then
asked, (very seriously), "Does it got SEEDS"?  I thought the woman in
line in
front of us was going to fall on the floor laughing!!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Re: flying with infant
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:14:48 GMT

>In article <914m5qc@lynx.unm.edu> kim@m44.unm.edu writes:
>>Concerning flying with a baby. . .
>>
>>I made the mistake of forgetting to bring a extra set of clothing for our baby,
>>and so when her diaper leaked, she had to be without clothing until our
>>connection in Phoenix.  We had to pay about $13.00 for a tiny T-shirt for her. 

If possible, also bring an extra set of clothing for _parent_ (if you
don't enjoy being covered with throw-up or poop for the rest of the
trip). A T-shirt and shorts, that fit both parents resonably might be
enough, if you aren't going somewhere cold. (We had much trouble with
leaking diapers and spit-up during the first year, as kid did eat
about twice as much as he needed, and got rid of the excess in both
ends. It was quite nice when his appetite suddenly dropped 50% at age
14 months, and we only had to cope with ONE full diaper/day!)



-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: stay-at-home dad again
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:14:07 GMT


A little over a week ago I posted requesting advice for a a prospective
stay-at-home father.  Unfortunately, I haven't had access to the net since
then and any follow-ups have expired from our system.  If anyone has access
to follow-up articles to my original article, I would greatly appreciate it
if you would forward this information to me via e-mail.

(Thanks to all of you who sent e-mail.)

thanks, 
anne
aharvey@hpmail1.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: awful things they say-aged 9 yrs
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:57:48 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

I have been asked to give a short talk next week at a meeting to promote women
in research. A lot of the other speakers are a lot ore expewrienced than I am
so Im thinking carefully about what I'll say.
Anyway this morning at breakfast I said to my husband that I'd like to discuss
this talk with him sometime. 
ANna aged 9 answered- Its allright Mum, Dad will make sure you do it
properly!!!
I could have strangled her. ANd this coming from my DAUGHTER!!

Mary Jane
From: hydra!sj@uu2.psi.com (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help! - Lost net access today   :(
Date: 21 Aug 1992 20:07:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Our news feed from Motorola just disappeared today.  (They're
moving to Austin, TX.)  Does anyone know how I can get news?
I'm in Silicon Valley.

What will I do without misc.kids and rec.food.veg?

Also, could someone tell me if you see this?  I'm using the e-mail
address Paula posted.  Next I'll try the one Marjorie posted.


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From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:42:54 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:

> What age do children select a lovey?  My daughter is 2-1/2 and I've yet to
> find anything that she simply HAS to have -- except her pacifier when she
> goes to sleep!  Does that count?!  She'll play with all her different toys
> and books and sleeps with any blankets..... no special ones there!

Yes, a pacifier counts if the baby wants it to. My daughter never selected
anything for long. She would enjoy a new toy, but never had to have it for
bedtime. Maybe the cats counted for her, as they always slept on her bed.
When she grew up to be afraid of monsters, I told her she was safe because
of the cats keeping them away. It worked. My son likes to sleep with the
books after I read them to him (he looks at the pictures until he falls
asleep) and his bed is crowded with 3 good-sized bears. He doesn't want
them all the time, but they're there when he wants a bear-hug.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing)
Subject: meals & bottles - how to mix for a 5 month old
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:47:34 GMT


My son, Nicholas, is almost 5 months old and 17+ pounds.  For the past
month or so he has been having 4 bottles per day and 1 meal (1/2 jar veggies +
1/2 jar fruit + 3 rounded Tablespoons of Rice Cereal mixed with formula).
The schedule has been sort of like this:
                  8am - 8oz bottle
                  12 noon - 8oz bottle
                  4pm - 8oz bottle
                  6pm - dinner (as above)
                  8pm - 6-8oz bottle
Miss Daili, his main daycare provider, says he has been trying to shorten the
time between bottles and that he acts hungry after 8oz (which he guzzles in  
5 minutes).  So, I guess it's time to add more solids.

Here are my questions:

    Should  we add breakfast, lunch or both?
    How much fruit, veg and cereal should he get at each meal?
    Should he get fruit AND veg AND cereal at each meal?
    Should he get any juice?
    Is he old enough for 2nd stage foods?  
    Whats the difference between 1st and 2nd stage?
    Can he have animal crackers yet (they way he drools, they'll disolve)
    When should I start giving the (yucky looking) meats?
    How should meals and bottles be spaced?
    How much formula should I expect him to drink when I add a 2nd & 3rd meal?

I know that's a lot of questions....but none of my books cover this.  And 
in my opinion, practical experience is better than book sense.

BTW, I requested the food FAQ and am not sure my mail ever got through!
If Linda is reading this and doesn't recognize my name, please send the
FAQ file my way.

Thanks for your help!  Lori.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgh@philabs.philips.com (Monisha Ghosh)
Subject: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:25:21 GMT


The book 'What to expect when you're expectimg' claims that sushi during
pregnancy is a no-no since all uncooked meat and fish is taboo. How true is
this? It has me slightly worried because I like sushi and have had it often
since I became pregnant. It seems odd that something which is a part of the 
diet of so many people should be avoided during pregnancy. Any full time
sushi eaters care to comment?

Monisha
mgh@philabs.philips.com
From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny card
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:52:42 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug18.162514.19252@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.184152.6215@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>We figure by the time the kid's 13, she'll figure out what we've been
>>doing and will be too embarrassed to say anything.
>
>I have some friends who have a son and a dauughter, then 12 and 11.  One
>day they were in the bedroom having a little fun together when they heard:
>
>   "Wow, I wonder what *they* are doing in there ..."  (in a very loud voice)
>
>Followed by lots of giggles. ... The kids were hardly embarrassed, but the
>parents' fun was interrupted for a bit while they regained their composure.
>
>-- Misty

I was about 10 when it dawned on me that my parents took an awful lot of
"naps" together -- with the door LOCKED!  (If either of them was actually
napping, the door was unlocked.)  I immediately informed my brother (2 yrs
younger) of this discovery.  Shortly thereafter, we informed my parents that
we knew what they were doing when napping behind locked doors.  WE weren't
embarrassed -- THEY were the ones that should have been embarrassed (our
feelings at the time).

Several years later, I was discussing this phenomenon with a high-school
friend when we were both about 15.  She declared self-righteously that *her*
parents never took naps together.  She returned a few days later, horrified,
with the revelation that her parents also did this.  She just never noticed
until I pointed it out.

btw, Keith, I think that "napping" is a better line than "playing" unless
you want to avoid lying to your kids.  I would've been very curious about
playing much younger.

--Robyn
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:40:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

>This just struck me as a good opportunity to comment:  we parents should give
>ourselves a hand for this kind of stuff that we ALL do!  Taking the effort
>to make sure a lovey is always there...shooing away those pesky monsters in the
>dark...trying to understand what that excited 2 year old is pointing
>at...making sure the peas don't touch the potatoes.  All those daily, unsung 
>efforts for the sake of making little faces happy. 
>
>Parents: ya gotta love 'em :)
>
>Ann Helmers

Well, thanks!  I try.  Actually, I got a good stroke from my four-year-
old the other day.  In the midst of a silly argument I said, "I never
say silly or ridiculous things."  Alan said, "Oh yes you do!"  "Like
what?" I asked.  He said, "Once you said you're not a good mama, and
that's ridiculous!"  (I did say that in a fit of depression on an
overwhelming day, but it was several months ago and I didn't even
know he heard it!)

And as for understanding two-year-olds....  Jeff and Alan were picking
snacks out of the vening machine at the pool.  Alan wanted Cracker Jacks
and Jeff (three on Sunday!) wanted Wipes.  Wipes????  I thought maybe
he wanted something white.  Nope.  Wipes??????  Yeah.  Cheese wipes.
Ah ha!  You know -- those little packages of crackers with cheez on
the side.  You wipe it on.  So -- cheese wipes!

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: "Love" Triangle
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:45:32 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: sgauch@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu

After another exhausting weekend, this is my second posting on an
ongoing problem with the kids (and parents) next door.  One problem
is "Gauches Daycare" which seems to be free and operates on weekends
(oh, and evenings during the week, too!).  The second problem
is that Laura (my daughter, 3.5) and Katie (3.7) love to play together.
Together, they are very little "work".  They amuse themselves, make
occasional messes, and generally have a grand time.  However, Katie
has an older brother Matthew (5) who also likes to come over.  He has
no friends of his own in the neighborhood.  Sometimes, the 3 children
play well together, but they require constant supervision.  Matthew is
a rough boy (no, I'm not just being sexist/paranoid - he has a lot of
trouble in his preschool) who is dying for attention. Laura currently
has a scratch just mm from her eye from a stick he was waving around. 

Laura and Matthew can play together fairly well.  She's pretty headstrong
too, and Matthew likes to play with her.   Katie and Matthew survive
(somehow) at home.  Laura and Katie are "best friends".  But all three
together - WATCH OUT.  Matthew teases the girls and makes them cry.
The girls shut Matthew out of their games and make him cry.  Matthew
scares/pushes the girls and makes them cry etc.  What works is for
John or I to engage Matthew in what we're doing to give the girls
space to do their own thing.  So that leaves one of us taking care
of the baby and keeping an occasional eye on the girls, and the other
playing with Matthew.  Oh, the three can do some things together
(eat lunch, watch TV, play games etc), but the situation is volatile
and requires constant monitoring.  Forget it, though, if any one of
them is tired or hungry, or just feeling bad.

I hate to say "Katie is welcome, but not Matthew" because Matthew likes
us so well.  (He's actually said he loves us more than his parents.  But
then, Katie has told us that when she gets old enough, she'll leave
her mommy and dadddy and live with us. I take this with a grain of
salt.  We say things like "Well, we get to just play with you, so
we seem like more fun.  Your mommy and daddy have to take care of you
and do a lot of things that aren't as much fun.")

Besides involving the other parent (who, after all, might like to mow
the lawn or do some laundry!), how can I address the triangle problem?
I hate to "make" the girls play with Matthew, since it's often such
a disaster. 

Given the number of movies about romantic triangles, there's probably no
solution.  I just feel better getting it off my chest!
Kat

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.080011.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>    Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
>mommy?

I can only give the daughter-with-daddy perspective, but I don't
think it's any different.

>  I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inapropriate,
>because they are starting to learn more.

>  I'm curious what everyone else says.

Well, Sarah will be four in December and we still take baths together
sometimes (it's soooooo much easier than kneeling next to the tub and
leaning over!).  I asked our therapist when it was appropriate to
stop.  He said that the child will usually acquire a need for privacy
sometime between the age of five and puberty, and that the best thing
to do was take our cues from her.  As long as she's comfortable with
it, and we are, too, there's no harm.  If someone starts to feel
uncomfortable (or sexual) it's time to stop.  I imagine I'll start to
feel uncomfortable long before Sarah hits puberty - I can`t picture
myself bathing with a ten-year-old girl!  (Is that just a cultural
thing?  What do people in other cultures do about family bathing?)

My wife stopped getting in the tub with Sarah when she weaned her (a
bit past three years).  Sarah kept touching and playing with Ellen's
breasts in the tub (she can't help it, she gets it from her dad :-)).
Ellen obviously wasn't amused (and believe me, a non-amused Ellen is
NOT someone you want to be in the same tub with).  Sarah does not give
my anatomy much attention at all; she just talks to me and plays with
her toys, and washes her doll's hair the same way I wash hers.  We also
have the occasional water-fight.  It all seems harmless enough to me.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
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Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: new book found for 3-6 YOs
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:30:38 GMT

I was wandering quickly through Crown Books this morning and saw a great
Beginning Reader book for 3-6 YOs with younger siblings.  It's called 
"The Day I Had to Play With My Sister" and is about the trials and
tribulations of a boy trying to teach his toddler sister how to play hide
and seek.  

"No, that's not how you play" says the exasperated boy as his sister stands
with her hands over her eyes thinking she's hiding.

I can't wait to read it to Mitchell.  I think he'll love it as Hide and Seek
is one of his favorite games (I always want to play Hide and Scare where the
hidden person jumps out at the seeker, but Mitchell prefers Hide and Don't
Scare).


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake