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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:04:52 -0500
From:         Russ Crisp <CRISP@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject:      VCII+ Question

Greetings..

I want to know how long a VCII+ module will retain it's authorization
once it's removed from an IRD.  Will it be:
A - Until the battery on-board battery runs down,
B - The programmers send out a new 'code'... Which ever comes first?

Does anyone know when the new 'codes' are broadcast?  Is it during the
first week of each new month?

Thanks,
Russ Crisp  KA4UXZ
Western Carolina University
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:03:22 MST
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      oops

 Message I just sent out was supposed to go to Jim directly - sorry
 about that.  But to clear up any questions, he sent a nice note to
 me on my Rocky Horror posting saying that the "limted edition" tape
 had a bunch of nice supplemental material, and that it is also
 now available on LD (didn't know that!)

 "Well, you got caught by a flat? HOW 'BOUT THAT!"

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:04:35 GMT
From:         iinqp@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      RTPi to encrypt

RTPi have announced that from March 1st they are going to encrypt their
feed to America. I get the feeling that they may only be intending
to encrypt the football matches. The announcement is displayed at the end
of various programs and my portuguese is not good, so I may have misunderstood
how much they are going to encrypt, but encryption of the american service is
certain. There is no mention of encrypting the european service.
   Oh, and one last thing; it is not RTPi's idea to encrypt; the US authorities
have insisted on it. So go earbash a senator.

   Howard
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From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Subject: Re: F4-14 subcarriers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:24:05 GMT

Sounds like he was identifying that he was on the 67 KHZ subcarrier of an
FM station at 92.x MHZ.  Possibly he didn't know the difference between
MHZ and KHZ or the translation was in error.  But the 67 rings a bell.

Possibly from Miami? 
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From: platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Satellite Labels
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 01:57:58 GMT
Organization: Software Environments, Inc.

tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca writes in article <C0C91I.6o3@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>:
> 
> I notice the labels for the Satellites are different. What I am used to
> calling F4 they call F6. My regular calles the Canadian birds E1 and E2
> where OnSat calls them A2 and A1 respectively. 
> 
> Which is right?

Beginning this year, satellite programmers have agreed on a renumbering
of satellites to keep designators that match what are on most satellite
receivers.

Basically, this means that:
Satcom C5 becomes F5
Satcom C1 becomes F1
Satcom C4 becomes F4
Satcom C3 becomes F3
ASC 1 becomes A1
ASC 1 (Ku) becomes A6
Anik E1 becomes D2
Anik E1 (Ku) becomes D7
Anik E2 becomes D1
Anik E2 (Ku) becomes D6
Galaxy 7 (Ku) becomes G9
Satcom F4R becomes F6
Satcom F2R becomes F2

and so on. It'll probably be a few weeks before everybody is in sync, but
it is happening.

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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Installation of Dish
Organization: DSC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:17:31 GMT

In article <gj4ay1y@Unify.Com>, tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
> 
> What is involved in installing the sat. dish?  I live in a rent house and would like to buy
> a dish, I don't want to have to pour a concrete slab for support though.  Is there a way
> to 'temporarily' setup a dish?  I would take it w/ me when I buy a home in the future.
> 

My dish is sort of "portable." It is a 7.5-foot solid fiberglass dish that is
bolted via 4 leveling bolts to a slab of concrete about 3.5-foot square and
four inches thick. This slab just sits on the ground. The dish has been
sitting where it is for almost 10 years, and I've had no tracking problems,
so it's safe to say it doesn't move, even with the high winds we've had from
time to time. This slab weighs about a ton, so it's not light. But it can
be pulled up onto a flatbed trailer with a come-along, and transported to a
new location. This dish was first set up in Kansas City, then trailered to
the St. Louis area. I got it set up and working in a couple of hours.

I don't think the company that made this dish is still in business. They were
the Hawkeye division of Mark Twain Boats.

> Tim.
> 
>
From: frank.kennedy@u2u.lonestar.org (Frank Kennedy) 
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: FCC Docket          11/15
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: USER-TO-USER PCBoard (214)492-6565 (USR DS v32bis)
Reply-To: frank.kennedy@u2u.lonestar.org (Frank Kennedy) 

   [ ...Continued From Previous Message ]


          members of Congress believe policy makers need on the  issue  of

          equipment compatibility.  The FCC is directed to provide  a report

          to Congress within a year on means of assuring  compatibility and

          is expected to issue such regulations as are necessary  to assure

          such compatibility (emphasis added)..10

              The same section of the Cable Act provides a list  of criteria

          upon which the Commission is to base its determinations  on  the












          10. Cable Act of 1992, Sec.17(a)(1) Consumer Electronics Eguipment
          Compatibility.
           appropriateness of encryption systems and other access

           restrictions imposed on consumers by the cable industry.11

                These astute sections of the 1992 Cable Act do not

           specifically include satellite decoders.  Yet they amply reflect

           Congressional concern about general problems pertaining to

           scrambling which, increasingly, is diminishing consumer access,

           as well as about the possibility that new technologies will

           render consumer equipment obsolete.


           B.   The Central Issue of Equipment Compatibility

                Over half of the expenditure on satellite equipment by HSD

           consumers is on the electronics within the home.  Consumers will

           not go through re-investment in possibly non-compatible digital

           equipment.  Furthermore, the need to sell equipment which was not

           compatible would destroy the independent dealer's credibility.  As

           this transpired, it would drive away new consumers of "dish"

           technology.  Already, HSD owners have become "gun shy" due to

           indications that new systems will obsolete the equipment that has

           already proven costly due to decoder upgrades and unexpected

           maintenance fees.

                The CSC observes that the Commission today is under great

           pressure to allow the introduction of digital video technology.

           However, in CSC's view, the technology that has thus far been

           announced may not be the most efficient (in terms of spectrum

           use) or practical (in terms of compatibility with existing

           residential equipment).  At the very least, time is needed so that








           11. Cable Act of 1992, Sec. 17(c)(1), Consumer Electronics
           Equipment; Factors to be Considered.
           the Commission can make a thorough study of the  matters  at

           stake.

                CSC's concern harks back to an earlier time,  in  the 1940s
   [ Continued In Next Message... ]

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From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Subject: Recommendations on Satellite Dealer in DFW area?
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:45:08 GMT

Can anybody out there make a recommendation of a good dealer to go to in
the Dallas area?

-- 

Matthew Lyle                                           matt@oc.com
                                                       matt@utdallas.bitnet
OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 888-0474
From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: transcript of Sun Jan 10, 1992 IRC chat is available
Date: 11 Jan 1993 05:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu


A transcript of today's IRC chat is available.  It will be delivered
via Email in ASCII form (no need this week to ZIP and UUDECODE it).

If interested, Email me for it since I am not sure if the whole r.v.s/Homesat
wants it posted.

Robert

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:31:57 EST
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: Satellite info please

Interersting article on the Pacific Sats.  Even though it did hit the net
four times in a row....

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:51:04 -0500
From:         Elmer Beachley <etb@CS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: miscellaneous questions

William:

Let me offer you my opinions on questions 1-4.  I don't have answers
for 5 and 6.

1) dish size/lnb noise temp
   Get the largest dish and lowest temp lnb you can afford.  The signal
   strength varies greatly between satellites and even transponders on
   one satellite.  My experience is a dish size is the most important
   parameter, because if you don't reflect enough signal, even the best
   lnb will have nothing to amplify.

2) actuator size
   This is a function of the dish geometry and if you want to try to
   pick up satellites outside the continental usa.  From North Carolina,
   you've got a good shot at some international birds.  For the dishes
   you're looking at, 18" would be probably be sufficient for conus
   (continental usa), but 24" would be MY choice.

3)  dual c/ku lossage
    Insignificant at the dish sizes you're looking at.

4)  feedhorn support
    button hook is simpler to adjust but less stable.  You'd need guy
    wires to be stable enough for ku.  Triangle mounts are very stable
    but somewhat of a pain to adjust.   Often you don't have a choice,
    if the dish manufacturer only supplies one.  My dish has the
    buttonhook.

Hope you can use this,

Elmer Beachley etb@cs.pitt.edu
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From: stubaker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stuart Baker)
Subject: Chicago News Channel
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:09:15 GMT

There is a new 24 hour news channel on cable run by the Chicago Tribune.
Has anybody seen this popping up on a satellite somewhere?

---------------------
Stu D. Baker				Mitchell Media Center
Multimedia Services Specialist		Northwestern University Library
E-MAIL: stubaker@nwu.edu		1935 Sheridan Road.
VOICE: 708.467.1984			Evanston, Illinois   60208-2323
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From: hawk@hawk.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Illinois Lotto Feed
Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:20:18 GMT

In article <HOMESAT%93010608264145@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Don Szymski <GH0317@SPRINGB.BITNET> writes:
>The Illinois state lottery held a daily drawing at 7:00 PM central time
>on WGN G5-7.  As of 12/28/92, WGN no longer hosts the drawing, and the
>drawing time has changed.
>
>The Lotto drawings are now held at 10:22 PM central time and are
>suposed to be on local TV channel 2 in Chicago.
>
>Does anyone know if and where these drawings can be seen on the satellite?
>
>Thanks for any help!
>DON.
>
>Don Szymski    GH0317@SPRINGB.BITNET   Southern Illinois University SOM

Too bad Don! (:<). Ch 2 in chi town is WBBM
which used to be part of prime time 24. It
got replaced by WRAL. BOO HISS!


regards,
George Hawkins KI5X [DXCC mobile 175]
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From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re:      Debunking the G5 Rumor
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:44:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <9301052306.AA08464@lopez.marquette.MI.US>,         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes...
>ANYWAY FOLKS:  Rest easy.  G5 is staying put.  This comes from Hughes
>Engineering.  They should know.
> 
>G4 is scheduled to replace G6 in either April or May.  G6 will then migrate.
>However, at this point things get a little hazy.  Unfortunately I have
>garbled text in a key message re G6, and am waiting for a resend of that
>portion of the message.

That seems more reasonable. Up until a few months ago, HCG were talking about
Galaxy 6 as their in-orbit spare in ads in some trade mags. It's certainly had
quite the workout.

Thanks, Gary, for following up on this rumour.

gary
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:38:16 EST
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: satelites and microwaves

>Quick ? for ya...

>Do satalites use MicroWaves for there transmissions?


Yep.  They SURE DO.

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From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:45:53 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

F60C038@SAKSU00.BITNET writes:

> Subject: LEAKAGE SIGNAL FROM A DISH
> 
>       I heard that residents nearby a home satellite dish are able to
> receive the same satellite programming that the TVRO owner is receiving
> using an ORDINARY UHF TV ANTENNA AND A BOOSTER, IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THIS ?


Maybe. It's probably 'cuz the dish owner is distributing the signal 
around his house with a UHF 'Rabbit' transmitter. I got one from London 
Drugs (a big drug store chain that also sells camera, computer and audio
equipment) for about $35 a few years back. You hook up video and audio to 
it, and it broadcasts a signal on UHF channel 14 for a couple of hundred 
feet - good enough for everywhere in the house, anyway.

Even if there was sufficient leakage ahead of the satellite receiver to 
detect, satellite TV uses a completely different modulation scheme to 
broadcast TV.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)
From: jaervinen@nntpdbhajee.enet.dec.com (Ora Jaervinen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: SatNews 089 and YLE
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:06:14 GMT
Reply-To: jaervinen@nntpdbhajee.enet.dec.com (Ora Jaervinen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Munich, Germany


The European sightings section in SatNews 089 says:

>Eutelsat I-F5, 21.E:
>YLE from Finland can often be seen in clear PAL on 11.508 GHz
>horizontal.

Has anyone else seen this? I've been long waiting to see YLE, but no trace of
it yet... and I've never seen it here, though I do occasionally check this
bird also.

The only thing I've seen is some random sports feeds to Finland from elsewhere
in Europe (like ice hockey) - often on this satellite. Maybe the author
was referring to these feeds and not YLE's regular programming?

Any info appreciated..
From: tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Installation of Dish
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:14:29 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

What is involved in installing the sat. dish?  I live in a rent house and would like to buy
a dish, I don't want to have to pour a concrete slab for support though.  Is there a way
to 'temporarily' setup a dish?  I would take it w/ me when I buy a home in the future.

Tim.
From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Where did KCNC go?
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:51:56 GMT

Subject says it all!!


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From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: DECODERS
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A USED BMAC, or a USED LETCH Decoder?
From: jernandez@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Music from Satellite and Microwave Receivers at McDonalds
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:27:52 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <snyr_1f@lynx.unm.edu>, jbanas@triton.unm.edu (Jim Banas) writes:
> 
> Last summer we were eating in a Durango, Colorado shop and noticed
> some very good music playing.  It turned out that they had a
> "small satellite dish with a receiver from 3M Corp." to receive
> music broadcast 24 hours a day.  They could pick between basically
> whatever format they wanted (country, new age, rock, etc.).  Unfortunately,
> the owner wasn't there and I couldn't get any other info on it,
> and we were leaving the next morning.  
> 
> Has anyone heard of any such system where one can receive radio 
> broadcasting from a small satellite dish?  The guy implied that it
> was a fairly inexpensive system to purchase (like a few hundred
> dollars).  I have read about radio stations that pay a fee to receive
> and rebroadcast a centralized 24 hour station, but are there any
> places that will sell systems to homeowners?
> 
> Also, I've been noticing small satellite dishes on top of Walgreen stores
> and gas stations and many other businesses.  Is it possible that these
> are for music, or do they transmit credit card info over these?  (why
> would a gas station need music 24 hours a day?)
	
	The dishs you are seeing on Walgreens are Very Small Aperture
	Terminals (VSAT's). They operate on Ku band, are both
	transmit and receive, and vary in size from 0.9 M to
	1.8 M. They are used for credit card information, inventory
	information, and other such business needs. You will also
	notice these antennas on Dodge dealers.    
 
	John  
From: rons@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Ron Stewart)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:04:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Motor failure
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

In rec.video.satellite, wcw+@CMU.EDU (Walter Wong) writes:

    Last night it seems the dish positioning motor seemed to give out.
    When I try moving to a different satellite, the Drake (1524) clicks
    normally but then gives the error 'No Pulse'. I checked the dish and,
    yep, it isn't moving. I also couldn't hear the motor kick in.  The
    cable hasn't been cut (or at least it hasn't been completely cut) as I
    can still get all the channels that the dish is currently pointed at
    *********************************************************************
  Walter,
  I had(have) a similar problem with my motor last summer. What was
  happening is the brushes on the motor would lose contact. This looked
  like an open circuit to the controller and it would give me an error
  message. To fix it I banged on the motor with a hammer(not too hard).
  This would cause the brush to make contact again and it would then
  work as usual. It was worse in real hot weather. I haven't had it
  happen again for about 3 months. This shouldn't be happening with a
  brand new motor but it's worth a try.

  Ron Stewart
  Santa Rosa, Calif.
From: seeley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Victor Seeley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: CNN Newsfeed
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: seeley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Victor Seeley)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC - Carderock Division, Annapolis Detatchment - CODE 3572

Looking for Satellite feed for CNN, I have Monterey 100C receiver with
VideoCipher II built-in.  I'm looking for full-time feed.  Thanks for any help

Vic Seeley
Network Manager
DTNET - David Taylor Model Basin
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Did Galaxy 3 go dark around December 18?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:06:57 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax-fddi.solbourne.com
Summary: Excuse my ignorance; thanks.


I have to admit I haven't been following this too closely, but did Galaxy 3 go
dark about a month ago?  My local cable company provides VH-1/Comedy Central
on the same channel (5:00 AM - 5:00 PM VH-1; 5:00 PM - 5:00 AM CC West) but
no longer provides them in stereo, as they said that "the satellite died, and
now they're on different sats.  We don't have two stereo paths through the
console for decoders on two different dishes, so they won't be back in
stereo until they're both back on the same bird, around the end of February."

So, the questions are:

    1) Did Galaxy 3 go dark about a month ago?  If so, where are VH-1 and CC
       in the mean time?

    2) What's replacing Galaxy 3, and is the "end of February" time frame for
       its replacement correct?

Thanks in advance...
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Subject: Re: Sportschannel America in C1
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:39:24 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes:

> F4 is also going away this month, it will exist no more.
> 


Has anyone said where Nostalgia (F4 21) will go yet?
Tnx Bob.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)