HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dfc@resumix.portal.com (Dan Currie)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Reply-To: dfc@resumix.portal.com
Organization: Resumix Inc., Santa Clara CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:08:12 GMT

In article 6123@dsg.tandem.com, narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan) writes:
> That is not possible, since I remember that they have this saturday night stay
> required thing on these tickets (in order to get credit). 

The ad that United had was a little misleading. I called them and they
said that you had to stay a Saturday night when you use the free
economy class ticket. There are no restrictions except the $100 minimum
fare for qualifying flights.

---
	Dan
From: cpc@cup.portal.com (Chris NMI Cebelenski)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta's Business Express (BEX)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:24:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Re: BEX
   I flew Delta's Business Express from BDL to PHL.  Asside from the
fact that it was a very small turboprop plane I cannot say anything really
"bad" about it.  The flight was late, I had to walk accross the apron
in a driving rain, but othwise they got my luggage and myself to theo
right place.

cpc
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Continental (was: Airlines to Fly ***Please Read***)
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.151656.10980@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>Last week, when I flew Bos->Ord, The pilot was going to the plane,
>and spotted a little boy.  First thing he asked the kid was if he wanted
>to see the cockpit.  He asked the father first, and then took the boy. 
>He came back out a few minutes later, and then took his little brother who
>was in the bathroom the first time he came around.  

"Joey, do you like gladiator movies?"

Ah, Peter Graves' finest role.

Charleen

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From: hoffman@persoft.com (Christine Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Airline Tickets for sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:51:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Persoft, Inc.

ROUNDTRIP TICKETS:
Anywhere in continental US to Montigo Bay, Jamaica
Hotel booking through Dreamscape Vacations, Inc.
Must pay for seven nights.

Hotels to choose from:
Holiday Inn   $120/day
Wyndham Rose Hall  $135/day
Halfmoon Club   $195/day
these are subject to change

Card must be sent in 45 days prior to leaving + $25 processing fee
(and deposit: $85.)
Pay full hotel 30 days prior to departure
Offer expires: 3 / 26 / 93
Must be at least 18 years old
No block out dates are printed, but reservations are subject to availability.

Interested, make an offer at caster@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with 727s at LGA?????
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:00:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.164509.15203@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>
>   Accoring to the book "Boeing : Planemaker to the world", "tests showed that
>[the 727] could brake to a stop in as little as 700 feet."  Of course you'd
>need runways longer than that for commercial service, but 727s can make it into
>some very small airports.

But can 727s make it out again?

I was on a fully-loaded United 727 leaving Denver, and I listened to the pilots
talk to the tower.  They insisted using the longest runway, even though 
it was way-the-hell-and-gone over there (seemed like we taxied forever
to get there).  And at that, it took off with all the grace of a 
hippopotamous in a tutu.

Charleen
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From: cdsherma@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (ClAiRe ShErMaN)
Subject: Re: Istanbul, Turkey 
Keywords: Travel to Istanbul, Turkey 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:11:34 GMT

Does anyone in netland know of any reasonable airfares from
Canada or the US to Istanbul, Turkey???  I expect to be travelling
there sometime in February or March.  Any information with
regard to airfare, accomodations, or things to do and see
would be most appeciated.

Claire :-)
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From: leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler )
Subject: Re: ``Canadian airlines pick up big meal tabs''
Keywords: Canadian airlines
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:32:47 GMT

hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:

>From the Travel section in the Saturday edition of The Vancouver Sun
>(Sat Sept 12/92), page H4 :

>``Canadian airlines pick up big meal tabs''

>	``Canadian airlines spend more money feeding their passengers
>	than U.S. carriers, says a new Statistics Canada report.
>	  Air Canada and Canadian Airlines International spent an
>	average of $13.86 and $14 respectively per passenger on
>	in-flight food in 1990 for domestic flights.
>	  U.S. carriers spent an average of less than $6 US,
>	the study says.
>	  The report, compiled by Statistics Canada's Aviation
>	Statistics Centre, reveals Canadian Airlines International
>	allocated 13.1 per cent of its total operating expenses in 1990
>	on passenger services like meals, reservations, check-in and
>	baggage-handling.
>	  In 1987, Canadian Airlines spent only 10.8 per cent of its
>	operating expenses on passenger services.
>	  Air Canada has been spending a relatively constant proportion
>	of its operating expenses on passenger services --- amounting to
>	12.1 per cent in 1990 compared to 11.4 per cent in 1987.

   
   Of course, Air Canada is now making passengers pay for their own 
alcohol. :-(

				Steve Leffler
				leffler@physics.ubc.ca
From: kellsworth@pbs.org (Col. Dennis Bloodnok, O.B.E.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Do travel agents receive commissions on consolidator tix?
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:31:27 EDT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Sep2.224940.27973@colorado.edu>, citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:
> I'm looking for a reasonably priced ticket to Hong Kong.  Is it
> reasonable for me to go to my regular travel agent and ask her to
> find me a consolidator fare, or am I asking her to do a lot of work
> for me at no profit to herself?
> 

Travel agents do get commissions from consolidators.  Sometimes the 
commission is larger than that paid by regular commercial carriers.

Definitely go to your travel agent.  She should have no trouble setting
you up. 

		-Keith
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Floppy disks in checkin or carry-on baggage
Summary: Do they get zapped?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:05:08 GMT

I have a friend that will be taking a few floppy disks
(with useful files on them!) on an international flight.
Might the files get zapped somehow by the xrays that scan
the carry-on baggage or by some security measures for
the baggage he checks in?  Any tips on how to get the
files to their destination uncorrupted would be
greatly appreciated.

--
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Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup)
Subject: consolidator for Venezuela?
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:06:54 GMT


I'm looking for a consolidator who handles tickets to Venezuela.  
If you know of such a consolidator, please email or post.  
Thank you.

Liz Jessup
jessup@cs.colorado.edu
From: tony@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Tony Pillars)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: How to get to OAK from downtown SF?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:41:48 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

Take Bart, the train will go to downtown Oakland, all you will need to
know is where you want to get off.

Tony
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 15:36:58 -0400 
From: Paolo Vergara Malabuyo <pm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Need to get rid of vacation package

I have a vacation package to Orlando, FL that includes 2 round trip
tickets and a 4 day/3 night stay in a hotel.  I found out too late that
one of the travelers had to be 21 or older and now I can't return it.  
The user would pay all taxes, etc. and there is a $150 deposit needed to
process the whole thing.  

A vacation package like this would normally cost about $1,250 but due to
the circumstances and restrictions, I am willing to sell for about $525,
negotiable.


Sorry to be a pain, but I need to get rid of this.

Thanks.


Paolo
reply be email please.
From: kellsworth@pbs.org (Col. Dennis Bloodnok, O.B.E.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: travel agency commission or not?
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:25:30 EDT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Sep2.134849.3758@engage.pko.dec.com>, bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
> 
> 
> Re:  the person who made a reservation over the phone direct to 
> an airline then called a travel agent to do the ticketing --
> 
> Does the travel agency get the commission for this transaction?
> I had thought that they do not, and therefore might not be
> interested in performing the service.  Not that there's any
> excuse for telling the customer that they would do it and then
> NOT doing it, but I had always thought it rude to get your
> tickets this way.  After all, the airline will mail you your
> tickets directly, or alternately you can call the travel agent
> first and they will probably be much more likely to print out
> your tickets.  
> 

If your travel agent calls the airline and asks to "take over the record"
they then will receive the commission for that ticket.  Remember that
travel agencies do not add any commission onto the airlines' quoted fares.
It is like the airlines pay travel agencies to handle the paperwork and
take some of the flak that some travelers are inclined to give.

Airlines will mail tickets to you, but so will a good travel agent.

As to the question of rudeness, my travel agent (and my wife!) is always
happy to print tickets for someone who has already done most of the work
for her! 


---------------
Keith Ellsworth
Editor
Public Broadcasting Service

aka: KELLSWORTH@PBS.ORG
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap tickets S.E. USA to Ecuador
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:12:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep8.161256.28886
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Dearly beloved in air,
I need your help.

My brother needs a cheap round-trip ticket from Atlanta or Miami or
anywhere cheapest to Ecuador, preferably Quito, leaving the US in
early December and returning either before Christmas or after New
Year's. He'd prefer American Airlines, but I'd like to hear anyone's
experiences. I've read the FAQ, but I'm scoping for the little-known
here.

Please e-mail me. Thanks.

Scott Wells
wells@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: owen-christopher@CS.YALE.EDU (Christopher Owen)
Subject: Re: Floppy disks in checkin or carry-on baggage
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:12:28 GMT

When I took my mac to Africa they refused to check my computer by any other
means than x-ray in London.  Everyone of my floppies plus the internal hard
drive and two external hard drives went through the machine with no ill
effects.

chris

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From: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser)
Subject: Re: Flying TARUM (Rumanian Airlines)
Keywords: tarum, experiences
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:17:03 GMT

In <716239038@romeo.cs.duke.edu> sb@duke.cs.duke.edu (Subhrajit Bhattacharya) writes:

>I am planning on flying Tarum Airlines (the official Rumanian
>Airlines) to India. They offer the cheapest fare. However I am
>hearing scary stories about their planes. Has anybody had any
>experience with this airline ? 

>I am ready to bear some hardship, but I would be scared to use 
>an airline if somebody tells me they have higher than
>average accident rate. Any facts will be appreciated.

>Subhrajit Bhattacharya

Twice, in the past two years, I have *had* to fly Tarom from Budapest to
Bucharest and then from Bucharest to Vienna.  I must admit I was less than 
pleased with the service (not that I had expected any) and with the general
state of the planes.  The first flight was on a dirty BAC 110 (i think that's 
the number) and was very uneventful.  The cabin was dirty and I was afraid to
use the john.  The second flight was on one of their 727s.  It was a flight
from Bucharest to NY, but luckily I was only flying to Vienna.  The aircraft
sounded like my 1971 Saab trying to go up a hill and it was a bit grungy.
Immediately following take-off, my air mask fell down from the ceiling and
I amost lost it.  The rest of the flight was noisy but boring (thank God).
I hate to be so hard on an airline, but flying to Romania twice a year, I 
insist on Lufthansa!

David Fraser

BTW, the 1978 Book of Lists ranks Tarom as the #4 most dangerous airline in the
world, after ALIA (Royal Jordanian), VIASA (Venezuelan) and EgyptAir.

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From: jcogollu@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (cojonudo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Bikes on Planes
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:59:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I would like to know if it is possible to take my bike on the plane
with me (going ovreseas), and if I have to pay more money and how
much.  I will most likely be traveling on TWA.  In case this is not of
public interest, you can direct responses to me:
jcogollu@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Thanks a lot. 


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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Frequent Flyers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:32:47 GMT

jamesmit@iti.gov.sg (James Mitchell) wrote: 
->for travel between Australia, Japan and the US I would suggest joining
->the QANTAS FF programme.  After x km you get free flights etc.  I am a
->member and they tend to treat you a little better than the average
->passenger.  

United does similarly ... and their frequent flyer program is free
(QF's frequent flfyer program costs something like A$25/year).

->I am not too sure whether QF flies from Japan to the US.

they don't.  united does.

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From: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (Richard de Beijer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED: roundtrip San Diego-Amsterdam
Keywords: travel agents, airlines, Xmas
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:28:03 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


Can anybody point me to a travel agent (or maybe even a
courier that would allow me to fly heavily discounted) that
usually has the cheapest air fares to Amsterdam?

I want to go to Amsterdam somewhere in the first few weeks of 
December 1992 and return within one month to San Diego.
Maybe there are special student travel agents that I am not aware
of that offer discount rates to students or youth (<25 years as I am).

Maybe it is a stupid question to ask, but I just arrived a few weeks
ago in the USA being a student from the University of Nijmegen, The
Netherlands so I do not know how to find the cheapest way to get such
a ticket in the jungle of travel agents and airlines the USA seems to
have.

By the way: I already read the How to get cheap airline tickets FAQ.
Maybe some of you have more specific and useful information on this 
topic for me.

Please reply to this newsgroup or one of my e-mail addresses written
down at the end of this posting (preferably the USA address!).

Thanks in advance!

---------------------------------------------------
Richard de Beijer
Computer Science & Engineering dept.
University of California, San Diego
9500 Gilman Drive
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114
U.S.A.

e-mail: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (USA)
        richardb@cs.kun.nl (The Netherlands)
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.073341.24176@ultra.com> marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:
>
>It is not the food or the non-stop flights that I am concerned with, it
>is my life. Obviously a company without money will have a harder time
>maintaining their planes. My Continental flight appeared to be doing a
>noise reduction trick, but instead was falling straight down shortly
>after take off. It is pretty quiet up there when the engines aren't
>running.  It fell long enough for me to grab the barf bag and the
>strangers hand next to me before the engines kicked in again.  A close
>friend was on a Continental plane that had trouble with the flaps
>(turned out to be a very serious problem...something about one side
>coming up and one side going down and the plan flips upside down...they
>went back and got a different plane).

Please remember that maintenance is regulated and supervised by the FAA.  There
are requirements for safety which all airlines meet.  Some airlines may not
re-do the interiors of their planes every few years, but while they might not
look that nice, there isn't anything mechanically wrong with them.

Shortly after the Eastern strike began, and it filed for bankruptcy, many people
rightly considered it to be one of the safest airlines.  Why ? Because the FAA
was concerned about their planes' safety and did more spot checks... none of
their planes crashed as a result of mechanical problems.

I've had mechanical problems on American and United as well.



>
>I also have trouble patronizing a business that does stupid things,
>like plan a flight from ABQ to DEN at a time when no one really wants
>to go so that the flight never has more than 8 people on it. Cool for
>the travelers (everyone gets free first class) stupid for the airline
>from a business stand point.

If a flight was not making money, then the flight wouldn't exist.  There
has to be some reason for the flight to take place, even if it is just to
reposition the plane.

>
>And while I am bashing Continental, You don't have to be making a huge
>profit to have friendly and courteous employees. Everytime I fly
>Continental they treat me like I am the biggest inconvinence in the
>world to them and that if I wasn't flying their airline they would be
>much happier.

I do agree about this, try TWA sometime.

Greg
From: helen@nomad.urich.edu (Helen C. O'Boyle)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Airline Antitrust suit (info requested)
Summary: where's the info about the it?
Keywords: info request
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:28:18 GMT
Organization: University of Richmond

I heard this exists, but I don't have any info on it (like what
qualifies, how much one can get, where one files the claim, etc.).
Could someone who has it online email it over here?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Helen C. O'Boyle
helen@nomad.urich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wheeler@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Aaron Wheeler)
Subject: Delta's Business Express (BEX)
Keywords: delta,bex
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:59:18 GMT

Does anyone have any experiences flying Delta's Business Express (BEX)?
I am considering using it from PHL-JFK (fare is the almost the same
as Amtrak Metroliner service, do not mind the trip from JFK to Midtown,
and get 2000 miles for my Delta FFP) and would like a second opinion.

Thanks for your help!

--Aaron

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood)
Subject: Re: ``Canadian airlines pick up big meal tabs''
Keywords: Canadian airlines
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:48:45 GMT

In article <leffler.716520767@physics.ubc.ca> leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
>hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>
>>From the Travel section in the Saturday edition of The Vancouver Sun
>>(Sat Sept 12/92), page H4 :
>
>>``Canadian airlines pick up big meal tabs''
>
>>	``Canadian airlines spend more money feeding their passengers
>>	than U.S. carriers, says a new Statistics Canada report.
>>	  Air Canada and Canadian Airlines International spent an
>>	average of $13.86 and $14 respectively per passenger on
>>	in-flight food in 1990 for domestic flights.
>>	  U.S. carriers spent an average of less than $6 US,
>>	the study says.
>>	  The report, compiled by Statistics Canada's Aviation
>>	Statistics Centre, reveals Canadian Airlines International
>>	allocated 13.1 per cent of its total operating expenses in 1990
>>	on passenger services like meals, reservations, check-in and
>>	baggage-handling.
>>	  In 1987, Canadian Airlines spent only 10.8 per cent of its
>>	operating expenses on passenger services.
>>	  Air Canada has been spending a relatively constant proportion
>>	of its operating expenses on passenger services --- amounting to
>>	12.1 per cent in 1990 compared to 11.4 per cent in 1987.
>
>   
>   Of course, Air Canada is now making passengers pay for their own 
>alcohol. :-(
>
>				Steve Leffler
>				leffler@physics.ubc.ca
>

So is Canadian, the Western airline guys!

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: vijay@jessica.stanford.edu (vijay mehrotra)
Subject: Re: cheap ticket wanted
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 22:00:01 GMT

In article <65389@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
>I suspect the Taipei - Cairo segment is adding to the price. My
>suggestion would be to look for a routing of:
>
>Seattle - Taipei - Bangkok - Taipei - Seattle via Thai
>(should be about a $1000)
>
>and then look for a separate ticket for
>Bangkok - Cairo - Bangkok on Egypt air.

Try Air Brokers Intl or Global Access in SF -- I don't have 
their numbers right here, but you can get the number for 
ABI through the (800) operator and Global Access can be located
through the 415 operator.

>I cant believe Egyptair is expensive. You will probably need to
>have a friend get you a ticke in Bangkok through a consolidator.

BTW, does anyone know if Egyptair or Kenyan are partners with any
American carriers on frequent flier programs?  I am about to do a
lot of miles with Egyptair, and would love to get credit for them :) :)

Any info appreciated!

Vijay

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From: jamolina@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Molina)
Subject: Somebody please email FAQ file?
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:08:30 EDT

Please email the FAQ file for this newsgroup to  my account, I was reading it
and forgot to save it. Thanks a lot!

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