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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DV/X and OS/2 2.0--Request for info
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:23:15 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

bassoon@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>What I am looking for:

>A better way of dealing with files.  Shells that I have tried to use seem to
>conflict with DV (or my set-up) in one way or another.  I have tried the DOS
>Shell in MS-DOS 5, the PC-Tools Shell, DShell, and DVTree.  I abandoned each
>in a relatively short period.  I have tried 4files, a file manager for 4dos
>which works (apparently) quite well with 4dos, but it crashes under DESQview
>(the current version is apparently a beta test version without full
>capabilities.)  The one thing I liked about the Mac was the way in which
>files were linked to applications, and the ease with which documents could be
>moved from one directory (folder) to another or deleted; Shells like those
>listed above don't provide an adequate means of doing this, or if they do, it
>would take me so long to figure out the manuals and instructions, that I would
>be remiss in fulfilling my other job duties.

>Does either DV/X or OS/2 2.0 help in this regard?

I can't speak for DV/X, but OS/2 2.0 will let you use the shells you
mention (it's far more compatible with programs than normal DesqView
is), or you can use its own Workplace Shell, which is Mac-like (but a
bit more object oriented).

Heck, you can even run DesqView under OS/2 if you want...
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From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: FTP software packaging. Was: My DV/X ordering experience
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:53:27 GMT
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison

In article <1992Apr7.115102.23122@unipalm.co.uk> ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps) writes:
>Disclaimer:
>Not having seen the DV/X released code package yet, I can't say whether
>you can start up an xterm without doing a telnet first, so am not sure
>whether K2xx + DV/X is a completely usable config.

No, DVX replaces the network kerne's RSH with its own.  I also believe
that DVX has its own FTP (the File Manager has FTP (the program) built in...)
-- 
Daniel J. Bodoh                       2271 in DV/X Tetris...
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From: bmr@thedog.cis.ufl.edu (Benedict Rafanello)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X and Modem
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:34:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.34996
Reply-To: bmr@thedog.cis.ufl.edu (Benedict Rafanello)
Organization: U of Florida. Computer Science Dept.

Does anyone know if DV/X can run an X session via modem?  I am currently a
student and I live about 50 miles from the University, which makes for a 
tedious commute.  I routinely dial into the University's computer system using
my PC to avoid having to drive up there just to use the unix lab.
While I can access much of their software, there are certain items
which require X.  What I want to know is if I can dial into the university as
an X terminal using DV/X.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Ben
From: magrw@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: The Use of DV/X
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:11:08 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

> 2-Run local apps. Currently there is nothing available. I suppose
>   that few application should be available soon (word processor, spreadsheet
>   drawing editor, etc...). If you develop graphical program and you are
>   expecting to port to UNIX later, you should target DVX. DVX already
>   support 32bit programming. With the proper compiler, it should
>   be close to a real OS :-)

We already have something that can be correctly called "a real OS", it's OS/2
Version 2.0. Shouldn't we be thinking about using it instead of looking for
something that is "close to a real OS"?


George Wiley,
University of South Australia,
Adelaide, Australia.
From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: FTP software packaging. Was: My DV/X ordering experience
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:16:49 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Apr7.115102.23122@unipalm.co.uk>, by ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps):
> kemp@chinook.convex.com (Phil Kemp) writes:
> 
> Disclaimer:
> Not having seen the DV/X released code package yet, I can't say whether
> you can start up an xterm without doing a telnet first, so am not sure
> whether K2xx + DV/X is a completely usable config.

> We sell some or all of this stuff, so I'm biassed.
They do indeed :-). I'm posting this on a PC with Unipalm supplied
PC/TCP plus & WD8003E card ... In prerelease 4 you start an xterm from a
menu which uses an rsh command. No telnets required but Qdeck have
written their own telnet & ftp for DV/X anyway. One problem is that the minimum
suggested kernel is wd8003e -t 16 which is about 90K in size. This is
too big to load high, even with Stealth, on my system because I have an
awkwardly placed Adaptec card. This means that I can't easily run large
DOS apps, eg Turbo Pascal, in a DOS window (mem /ap in a DOS window
reports about 210K free). Windows 3.0 in a Window, let alone 3.1, is I
fear. a no no. 

One thing I have found is that it is better to put some small TSRs e.g.
ASPIDISK & parts of SUPERPCK  in conventional rather than UMB memory. Seems to
make expanded memory larger & allow things like the DEC style
applications manager & the all important DOS windows to run. Thus not
clear that loading WD8003 kernel high would be a good idea anyway.
Not clear why low memory is better than UMBs though ?

Comments from folk who have managed to get DV/X & PC/TCP & a cache &
Windows 3.0 to coexist would be welcome, I can get first three but 4th
is elusive at present. Cache is 64K at present on a 4 Mb machine.

As Windows 3.1 is promising VGA DOS apps in their own windows but DV/X 
allows only character based or Windows 3 apps in windows at present,
I am wondering if something like Windows 3.1 &X11/AT would be better for people who
want to see local DOS graphics & remote X graphics at the same time (my situation).


DV/X does work though, this article posted from a sequent symmetry accessed
via xterm from an HP vectra. Screen also shows a DOS window, application
manager and memory status. I'm hoping shared libraries will mean release
version is a lot smaller & so has reduced footprint in conventional memory.

Nick

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: burton@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (John Burton)
Subject: Re: My Mouse Can't Dance
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:52:13 GMT

In article <10770@cactus.org> hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick) writes:
>
> 
>Here's one for all the DV mavens in the audience: I've been using
>DV/QEMM for a couple of years now, most recently on a 486-33 under
>DOS 5 and 4DOS. Upgraded a while back to 2.42/6.02. Few problems.
>Love it.
> 
>Last week, I finally put a mouse on my system. A Logitech Series 9
>serial mouse, to be precise. If I tell DV (via setup) that I have
>variant 3, that is, "Logitech (w/o MS driver)" then a mouse cursor
>will appear on all screens and menus, but will not respond to any
>mouse movement or button presses. If, instead, I load the MS
>driver (in low memory, since it won't load high, grr), and tell DV
>to use variant 2 (MS driver w/any of a multitude of rodents), the
>mouse works fine, albeit with less RAM available than should be.
> 
>It seems to me, from the manual and the setup program, that my
>mouse should work w/o the driver hogging any memory at all. Anyone
>got any ideas why it doesn't?
>
>- Henry
>

I had the same experience w/ DV-386 (2.42/6.02) on my 386-33
system with DOS 5 and NDOS (4DOS from Norton) and a Logitech
Mouseman (bus version). I never *was* able to get the mouse
to work with option 3, but as long as the Logitec driver was
installed, no problems at all...One difference though...
I *was* able to load the mouse driver high (had no problems
doing it at all...using mouse.sys in my config.sys file)

John

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: Re: demacs un dv?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:31:27

In article <1992Apr6.234401.1633@midway.uchicago.edu> valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty) writes:

   kemp@chinook.convex.com (Phil Kemp) writes:

   >Some time ago I seem to recall a thread on running demacs under
   >desqview. I checked the FAQ and found nothing. Is it possible? And if
   >so how does one set up the correct environment.

   demacs was compiled with DJGPP, right?  Assuming that to be the case,
   what you have to do is get the GO32 patch from georgetown.navy.mil
   (or something like that - I haven't actually done it, so I don't know
   exactly what the address is).  The patch allows DJGPP compiled programs
   to run under DV.

Note that Demacs has it's own dos extender, which is a modified versions of
GO32.
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From: sarima@tdatirv.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: The Use of DV/X
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: sarima@tdatirv.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: Teradata Corp., Irvine

In article <1992Apr8.182729.23702@solucor.uucp> jack@solucor.uucp (Jacques Gelinas) writes:
|2-Run local apps. ...
|  ... If you develop graphical program and you are
|  expecting to port to UNIX later, you should target DVX. DVX already
|  support 32bit programming. With the proper compiler, it should
|  be close to a real OS :-)

Yeah, this is exactly what I wanted it for - developing *X* applications
for later general porting.

But with the developers' kit rumored to be priced at $1000+, forget it,
I cannot afford that kind of money 'on spec'.
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From: gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV first window
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:08:13 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.


I've seen several articles that mention programs (usually
communications software) that run better when in the first DV window.
What is "magic" about the first window?
--
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From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Ok, should I upgrade to DV/X?
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:24:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison

In article <1992Apr16.031702.24154@xraylith.wisc.edu> bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh) writes:
>Well, I'll try.  Haven't had much experience writing reviews, though.  Feel
>free to add to or criticize...

Something I forgot to add:  documentation is EXCELLENT!  It is very
well written, easy to page through to find something immediately,
and would make a very good tutorial.  The docs include 2 main books:
the DV/X user guide and the Companions, as well as the QEMM 6.0
manual, Manifest manual, and Installation guide.
-- 
Daniel J. Bodoh                       2271 in DV/X Tetris...
bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu or via Fidonet: Daniel Bodoh 1:121/99
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng @ NUS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Desqview/X info in Singapore!!
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:17:07 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

I lucked into this news group. I've been shopping around for a X servere
for PCs for some time now. 

Could someone >>Please<< give me a e-mail address of a QOS
representative I can ask for specs and ordering information. I don't
think there is any QOS presence in Singapore.

Thanks.

- jin meng
From: mlc%gva.decnet@CONSRT.ROCKWELL.COM ("GVA::MLC")
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Red Baron/Leading Edge help request
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:14:00 GMT

I have been trying to help a friend with the problem described
below, but without success.  I am hoping someone in this
newsgroup will help.

My friend has a Leading Edge 6000SX running MS-DOS.  The machine
has 650K of main memory and 354K (or so) of extended memory.

He is trying to run the game "Red Baron".  Installation of the
game seems to be correct.  This involves running the Red Baron
INSTALL command which copies appropriate files to the hard disk. 
No errors were noticed when installing Red Baron.  We installed
twice, once from 5.25" disks, and another time from the 3.5"
disks.

We then tried to run the game.  We got a message that there was
not enough memory to run the game, and that there may be some
terminate and stay resident programs (TSR's) or that we were
connected to a LAN.

There is no LAN connected to his system.  We couldn't detect any
TSR's (although neither of us is very DOS literate).

We also tried running the game directly from the 3.5" disks, but
with the same result and message.

The game documentation says the game needs 570K of memory to run. 
The system has 650K, so there should be enough available.

Is MS-DOS taking too much memory?  What should we look for?

Thanks for any tips.

--

Michael Cook
Internet: MLC@IBERIA.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM
These are not the opinions of my employer.
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Binary file splitting.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:27:42 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: schoudhu@ucunix.san.uc.edu's message of 4 Apr 92 07:32:14 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Apr 92 07:32:14 GMT, schoudhu@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Spandan Choudury) said:

Spandan> A basic question-- I tried to copy a 1.2M binary file
Spandan> (compressed) from a Laser (IBM compatible) to my Tandy 1000
Spandan> TL/3 286SX, whose 3.5" drive is of the double density (720 K)
Spandan> type. So I used the backup software compatible to that Tandy
Spandan> on the Laser to back the file up on a couple of DSDD 3.5"
Spandan> disks. But on trying to restore them on the Tandy using the
Spandan> right restore software, the response was something like "No
Spandan> files found to restore", but I checked that the disks did
Spandan> have the backed up files. Also, the first (of the 2) disk was
Spandan> apparently read within about .75-1 sec., which seemd
Spandan> strangely short (given the size of the file there -- about
Spandan> 720 K).  Why is this?

Spandan> Also, is there another way of splitting a binary file ?

Tried the SLICE program from the DosPower tools. It works great for
slicing splicing files.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: 720k in 1.2MB drive
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:49:50 GMT

nils@f109f.mil.se (Nils Hammar) writes:

>I want to use 720k in my 1.2MB drive, I can format the diskettes, but I can't
>read them after they are formatted. I only get messages like
>"sector not found" and "general failure".
>I am using an early MS-DOS 5.0 (English version)

You are going to have to put DRIVER.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS.
Assuming that DRIVER.SYS is in C:\DOS, you need to add this line:

device =c:\driver.sys /d:0 /h:2 /s:9 /t:80
                         ^
                         make this 1 if the drive is B.

This will create an additional "drive" past your existing drives. *That*
drive will be your A: (or B:) drive set up as a 720k 5.25 drive. If you
have one hard disk with only a single partition and no ramdisks or the like
the new drive will be D:. 

Note to anybody reading this who thinks ythis is wrong... try it *first*!
I specified 9 sectors and 80 tracks. This should create an 80 track
*double density* disk...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: What's the difference between 1X9 and 1X3 simms?
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 21:33:43 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes:

> nester@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Darryl K. Nester) writes:
> : In article <1992Mar25.182735.7898@mathcs.sjsu.edu> indep-14@mathcs.sjsu.edu
> : >Recently I got some 1X3 simms and was told that they are compatible 
> : >with 1X9 simms. I wonder whether it is true. Can I use 1X3 and 1X9 
> : >on the same machine? BTW, those simms are for PC clones. Any idea?
> : 
> : A note of caution -- I received these "1x3" boards, too, and they passed
> : the power-on test fine, but choked when my computer actually used them
>  
> I just installed 4 1x3 boards in my no-name 486/33 clone [Seritek (sp?)
> motherboard] without any problems.  I now have 4 1x9 and 4 1x3 SIMMs

1x3 SIMMS are really 1Mx9 SIMMs.  They just use three chips instead of
nine.  In the case of a 1x3 SIMM which is of size 1M, you have two 1Mx4
chips and a single 1Mx1 chip for partity.  Total = 9 bits of memory.
4 of them together equal 4 megabytes of 32 bit memory, parity
included.  A 1Mx8 SIMM uses 9 1Mx1 memory chips.  The x1 or x4 refers
to how many bits 'wide' the chip is, just as the x9 in SIMM types
specifies how many bits wide the SIMM is.


That's all there is to it.  The chips that indep-14@mathcs.sjsu.edu
found not to work have some other problem, probably an incorrectly set
wait state for the speed rating of the chips.  Try making the wait
state one notch higher for read and write in your Advanced Chipset
Setup (AMI BIOS - other BIOS should have a similar option).  Or trade
them for faster SIMMs.



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[] Long Beach, California
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From: cornet@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl (Jan-Pieter Cornet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Norton + Superstore/Stacker: OK ??
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:44:43 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

heinicke@uwovax.uwo.ca (Allan Heinicke) writes:

>Is it safe to use (for example) Norton Utilities disk
>manipulating programs such as Norton Disk Doctor or Calibrate
>on a disk that has been compressed with Superstor (which is bundled
>with DR-DOS). 

There's no problem in running disk manipulating programs on SuperStor
partitions. I'm not using stacker either, but since it works very very
similar it should be the same story here.

Norton's DiskEdit (not the older NU 4.5) will properly recognise your
C: drive as "device driven" and will do anything it can with it, except
map logical objects to physical sectors, since there are no physical
sectors to map to. NU 4.5 will probably be a bit confused here and there,
but when you understand what you're doing, there's no problem. Operating
on directories, FATs and sectors is no problem.

On the other hand, running things like Calibrate (or Compress) or
whatever Defragmenting utility, however fast it seems to be, it's
useless. Why? Oh sure, it runs fine, and it probably wouldn't
ruin your disks, but since the utility doesn't recognise the SpeedStor
internal mapping of virtual clusters to disk sectors, it will do you
no good. For the DR-DOS/SpeedStor combo, run DISKOPT. Run it just before
you leave shopping, it'll take orders of magnitude more time than 
the "other" programs that you're used to. I strongly disadvice of
taking a coffee break, for fear of caffeine poisoning! ;)

Regards,
-- Jan-Pieter
cornet@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: hchin@fraser.sfu.ca (Hong Chin)
Subject: Installing 720K 3.5" on an 286 AT 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:21:46 GMT


Greeting,
       I have a 286 AT Pheonix Bios Ver. 1.58. Yesterday, I took out  its
1.2M 5.25" disk drive and replaced it with a 3.5" 720K disk drive. I went to 
teh Bios setup and change the drive to 720K dirve. Well, weird thing happens
from then. I ran Norton SI and it found a 1.2M and 360K ( the old config. )
instead. But, it showed that the CMOS value has 720K instead of a 1.2M
drive. What's happening here? I can read and write files onto the 720K
disk with no problem but can't format it. ??? Where do or DOS SI get the 
1.2M info.??? HELP!!! and Thanks in advance.

FRed         hchin@sfu.ca -- internet
             hchin@SFUVAX -- Bitnet


       

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: MSdos 5.0 install disk
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: meyer@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Question
Organization: UIUC College of Agriculture
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:06:32 GMT

scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.054559.13849@athena.mit.edu>, wanderer@athena.mit.edu 
>(Opus) writes...
>>hmm i still need to figure out quoting, but the question was whether 40
>>megs is enough to run os/2.. I'd have to say, realistically, the answer
>>is no.. if you want windows/dos compatibility, it will take up 32 megs of
>>hard drive space...

>Is the 32 meg number based on a Beta version or the actual GA release?  
>Most of what I've seen in the rags and on the net indicate 18-20 meg 
>average, 30 max (if you load all of the drivers - most of which you don't 
>need).  Still a pretty sizeable chunk of a 40 meg drive.

There is an 18-20 mb requirement for the minimum code, I believe including 
DOS & WIN support, but no applets or utilities.  The 30 mb requirement is
allowing for swap file space, which on a 4mb RAM machine, can grow to
(and past) the 10 mb mark as you run more and more applications simultaneously.

A 60 mb disk is recommended if you want an significant applications storage.
I'm running on a 70mb drive, with a 40mb OS/2 partition and 30 for applications
& data.  With LAN code and swap file space for 4-6 applications at a time, 
my 40mb partition gets pretty full.

Don
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