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From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: >>>HELP HELP HELP!!!<<<
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:54:12 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More specifically, the stingy administration here slashed our budget 
($0.00, nil) and we're pretty much stuck with a fucked-up soundboard
that's about 30 years old. It's a worthless piece of shit. A regular
dinosaur of technology, and despite the fact that $375,000 was spent
on renovations to the President's home, they refuse to provide funds
for a new one. 

So, like, if any of you out there know where we can get a cheap-but-
good soundboard, new or used, PLEASE let us know. We need one desper
ately if this campus is ever going to have an alternative to Top 40,
Garth Brooks, & Kriss Kross.

Help keep alternative/industrial alive on the airwaves...Lend a hand
to a poor college radio station. =)

		    --Christopher Blosser, Public-Relations Director

				    --Brian Woodcock, Music Director


WLRC 89.7 cable FM
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: keithd@versyss.com (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: Zoviet France
Reply-To: keithd@versyss.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Torrance, California
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.182141.4817@mr.med.ge.com> dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489) writes:
>i expect anyone interested in ZF already has Esotre (sp? again), but
>if there is interest, i could give it a whack.
>
>we have similiar tastes.  i'd definately be interested in seeing 
>at least a partial discog. w/ reviews.

Esotre is one that I do have, in fact, I bought it originally on LP when
it was packaged in a big piece of tissue paper.  I didn't realize it was
the same album when I bought the CD, but oh, well, it is one that I like.

I think I've got two others, I'll post some details about them in a day
or two.

Keith

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Infact
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:45:45 GMT

Jimi was never addicted to heroin... at least tnats was was said in the
best documentary on the man Ive seen.....
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Crash Worship Reviews Requested
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:59:24 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Sep9.123241@ece.arizona.edu> mikey@ece.arizona.edu (Michael Gribbons) writes:
>
>While 
>in general I think this is great I also found it extremely annoying, past that
>it FUCKING PISSED ME OFF that the band stopped playing to yell at the audience
>because little puddin' head fucks were throwing shit at the band. Sorry, but
>this is the soapbox bit, if a band is there entertaining you and you are 
>getting into it why would you throw shit at them?

It seems a bit odd that CW whirls fire over people's heads, shoots bottle
rockets into the crowd, blasts fire extinguishers, etc., but stops the show
when the audience tosses something at _them_.  I think throwing stuff at a
band is silly, too, but doesn't this seem a little hypocritical on CW's part?
If they're trying to create an anything-goes "pagan" atmosphere, why are
they surprised when things get out of hand?

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Shamen LSI - a real disappointment
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 05:31:49 GMT


I heard this live last winter, and was certain that it was a dog.
I would agree that it is to be avoided.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
       The real question for 1988 is whether we're going to go forward to
                    tomorrow or past to the -- to the back!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: vawda@fraser.sfu.ca (Ramon Vawda)
Subject: Re: Negativland/Severed Heads Questions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:46:10 GMT

Skippy Roo Kangaroo is available on their Cuisine (with piscatorial)
album.  I have the CD format and there are 5 extra (piscatorial)
tracks which contains our good friend Skippy.

okay bye


Ramon Vawda
Simon Fraser University
Vancouver B.C.
Canada
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: RE:  death of an rmi membership
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:57:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I for one, am glad to see you go.  Whiners like you are the problem, not the
exception.

If you didn't like what was being discussed, ignore the posts you don't want
to read and start your own arc.

Sure, industrial is hard to define.  I don't agree with many of your opinions,
and I'm sure you wouldn't with mine.  That's fine by me.  If you stayed and
talked about EN/Nick Cave/Throbbing Gristle/etc. that would have been fine by
me.  If I didn't want to read it, I wouldn't have.  You have the same freedom.

Since you're copping an attitude, I'm glad to see you go.  Crying about the
definition of 'industrial' is going to get you nowhere.  Why not just listen
to the music you like and fuck everyone else.

Grow a spine.

-- 

+-| Paul Lewis |-----|  Jonestown:  WLVR 91.3fm   |-------------+------------|
|  'I'd love to turn you on.'                    -The Beatles   |   BUSH:    |
|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do    -Perry Farrell | Keep your  |
|   like you love to, but never will again.'                    | 'family    |
|  'You never had the answers!'                  -Ministry      |  values'   |
|  'We could have changed the world.'            -B. Wayne      |  out of    |
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: devious helios(was RE: RE:RE: Re: Re:Re: ok i repent - NOT!
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:20:55 CST
 <92248.120959U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <MeeFSMK00iUyQ2EjVa@andrew.cmu.edu> <2AAC0BFB.29008@ics.uci.edu>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks


> In article <MeeFSMK00iUyQ2EjVa@andrew.cmu.edu> jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua John Buergel) writes:
>>Bleh.  Helios Creed's "Lactating Purple" is the only Amphetamine Reptile
>>record I have ever bought that I didn't like.  I hated it enough to
>>actually sell it back to the record store.  The songs were uninspired
>>drones, his backup band was antiseptic and very boring, and Creed's
>>guitar noodlings were pointless at best.  Also, the vocals were
>>annoyingly distorted and the lyrics were phenominally stupid. 

FC9.. sorry to disapoint you but thats the way 99% of Helios Creed vocals
FC9.. sound like, didn't you hear any of their albums before.  The reason
FC9.. being that he doesn't really believe that he has anything consequential
FC9.. to say, and any way I would rather "not" hear what he has to say on songs
FC9.. called "Big Clown" or "Nirbassion Anassion" or "Master Blaster" 
FC9.. and by the way since when does "noise" have to have a point???
FC9.. I haven't heard "LP" yet but it is supposedly his loosest and most
FC9.. experimental, I would suggest "Boxing the Clown" from 1989, the band
FC9.. is seriously "diseased", but If you are looking for meaningful 
FC9.. lyrics and vocals stick to "INDUSTRIAL" or buy the new "Helmet" which has
FC9.. that in abundance(and not much else, sadly).


>    Or better yet, get Flour.    Great crossover of Albini-rock and
>    "industrial"                                                   K!z!K
FC9.. could you share some more about FLOUR?  Does Albini have anything to do
FC9.. with it?

an offering of love
from flesh chamber9
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Foetus
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:58:48 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

It's been a while since I've asked this question, and seeing as I got no  
response before, I'll try again..

Anyone know what's going on with the release of Deaf and of Ache on CD?   
WaxTrax used to be working on it, now I'd assume Big Cat would be the one to do  
it, but when?  Or at all?  Is SomeBizarre still being sticky about it?  Does  
anyone know?

--
schmotsignature.
Paul Hagstrom
(hagstrop@carleton.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: homophobia
Keywords: Crash Worship
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:18:09 GMT


In article matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MATTHEW SHARP) writes:
>
>I have never told anyone my sexual preference without them asking for some
>legitimate reason.
>
>It is, simply, no one's business.
>
>It should NOT be an issue.
>
>
>You, Mr. Stimson, seem to make it one.
>
>If you wish to take every word out of every person's mouth
>and analyze it to an unnecessary degree, then it seems
>_you_ have the problem.
>
>It may not be your fault, but it is INDEED your problem.
>
>
>
>Far too often these days people substitute a cause
>for a personality.
>
>
>-Matthew Fucking Neill Sharp
 
 
Far too often these days people substitute being an asshole for 
having a net.identity. You and FC9 are severe victims of this psychological
crutch. Get some non.virtual.friends. They're harder to interact 
with, like the buggiest program, but they're higher quality. Very heuristic
algorythms too, very appreciable.
 
As for GAY - if someone came along and said something like "The music
sucks so bad it must be made for NIGGERS" or something like "That
is NIGGER music" then if I were black I would take personal 
offence.
 
(Being white I am just offended by how easy it is for people to exist in 
this world without a brain.)
 
So when someone comes along and says "That is SOO gay", its the 
same thing. 
 
Then they claim its their new slang. If I say that "That post was 
so stupi it looks like a fucking Jew typed it" and then claim "Jew" = 
Dance_Industrial_Listener, then it WONT fly. seeing something like this myself
I wouldnt let it fly, and I'd shoot that person down. And I'm shooting you
and that homophobic bigot down right this second.
 
Please note that this is all about prejudice. I'm an offender 
myself, of course, re the dance_industrial thing. I'm also
an offender by prejudice by using things like "Wow, that was so hurt
it looks like MNS posted it." This is a common usage on a particular
mailing list of eliter_than_the_elite. (ie not nmlist and not the new 
indie_how_many_more _overlapping_mailinglists_can_there_be thing.)
(Its an AA type group for people who use your name as a crutch.)
 
I think that Mr Stimson has every right to post about his 
sexuality. I do it myself since I have to - cause this isnt my
account, its my girlfriends (or "priviledged friend" as she calls it :^).
That refers to a part of my sexuality (of course the rest of it resides
in alt.sex.enya and alt.fax.bondage). I make these references freely
and so have others, in passing.
 
 
Freedom of speech Matt. The only reason something like you can exist.
 
 
/kc
Ken Chase
sizone!bigots_R_U@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu
 (So what if she's my SO? She could be a HE, or she could be anything.)
--
From: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Alan Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: underground???     CC:
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:31:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <Iefh=Ve00WBKE_OJtW@andrew.cmu.edu> Edward Sokhyon Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>   I know I'm new to this board, but it seems like everyone is into
>poppy "industrial" thinking cool to put down TRENT REZNOR.  but I don't
>see anyone talking about bands like:  MALHAVOC, DESPERATION, VAMPIRE
>RODENTS, MACHINERY STUFF: AND ONe, SNOG, SWAMP TERRORIST, OOMPH1.... or
>not even about ZOTH OMMOG bands,.... is WAX TRAX and domestic major
>labels all that you guys listen to?what about ARMAGEDDON DILDOS? DANCE
>TO TRANCE, AIRCRASH BUREAU, INFLUID? LEATHERSTRIP? the infamous
>LEATHERSTRIP? KLUTE? or even BORIS MIKULIC?  THERE's so much more to
>industrial than NIN, MINISTRY, FRONT242, WAX TRAX, AND SKINNY PUPPY. 
>Does anyone REALLY listen to INDUSTRIAL out there? or do you like
>MINSTRY and SKINNY PUPPY?  I like them too, but there's so much
>more.....  
>   I have NIN concert videos.. and will trade for SKINNY PUPPY's WORLOCK
>X rated video.  I have TESTURE, SPASMOLYTIC, STAIRS AND FLOWERS, DIGIT,
>ETC.  but I don't have WORLOCK....  I also have rare KMFDM and FRONT 242
>concerts.... 

I totally agree !!!!!!!

I am into Zoth Ommog and all the other stuff Swamp terrorists...Xorcist..
and most people are like There is life with out Al?

Please let the discussion go on!
More underground!  i am always looking for new bands..Lately I have been
ordering from Cargo and found alot of good stuff..Out.Out-Blue Eyed Christ-
and Steel Porn Rhino just to name a few
oh well maybe I am totally out there.


Mike j
.
From: lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Front Line and Public Enemy
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I might be a bit biased, being that Public Enemy is my 
favorite rap group, but I saw them a year ago with Primus
and Anthrax.  They were unfuckingbelievable.  I loved it 
to death.  Got bruises all over my shins and knees from 
jumping up and down and hitting my legs on the barrier 
in front of me.  The pit that started during Primus kept   
going through Public Enemy all the way till Anthrax came
on.  Even if you aren't a fan, they put on a great show.
	   



				   Ramona
				   .
From: pyrrhus@netmgt.nnmc.navy.mil (...over the shoulder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Homophobia? What the fuck... (Was: Moshing? What the fuck...)
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:50:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, rec.music.industrial
Organization: Uniformed Services University, Wash DC

Jesus Fucking Christ!

IthoughtIwasreading alt.fan.rush-limbaugh!

Every once in a while on a.f.r-l some fuck looking for abuse starts replying
to rantings by ignorant fanatics.  Said person is then publicly dismembered
and the pieces hung to let the blood drain.

Dave Stimpson - Check your Rollins "Low Self Opinion" at your keyboard
and find a backbone or whine to some newsgroup that is made for 
recreational slandering.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: need info on LYCIA
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:48:17 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

this is another one of my "I picked up a CD and would kill to know more"
posts
the band in question is LYCIA
the album is called IONIA
the only way to describe it is Gothic Industrial
(Is this how you would describe your music Mr. <X>orcist of mooncyberden)
please
help

an earnest plea
from flesh 
chamber
neun
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From: bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Crash Worship Tour Dates
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:09:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:


>Crash Worship is going on tour this fall, don't miss them if you're
>at all into tribal, powerful, live experiences.  These dates have

Also, don't miss them if your a woman who enjoys being physically and
verbally assaulted by their "pseudo-jock-shaman" dancers.  What better
way to enjoy a nice evening out than to have some overgrown frat boy in
warpaint come up to you, grab your breast, and whisper in your ear, 

"I want to fuck you long and hard till the pain subsides and the blood
ebbs..."

just an observation
 
-- 


                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 10:51:01 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re:RE:RE: Re: Re:Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Distribution: rec
 <Btvy30.69I@ecf.toronto.edu> <1992Sep1.163319.87@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>
 <1992Sep2.181924.20555@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
 <92248.120959U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <MeeFSMK00iUyQ2EjVa@andrew.cmu.edu>

In article <MeeFSMK00iUyQ2EjVa@andrew.cmu.edu>, Joshua John Buergel
<jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>Bleh.  Helios Creed's "Lactating Purple" is the only Amphetamine Reptile
>record I have ever bought that I didn't like.  I hated it enough to
>actually sell it back to the record store.

Hmmmmm. I'll admit that I'm not real fond of the sub-rotten sound quality,but
_LP_ is probably the closest I'm gonna get to a Chrome fix ever since Mssrs.
Edge and Creed parted ways a few years back. BTW,you must have a CD copy-
there are no lyrics printed on the casette wrapper,and if you think I'm
gonna listen for 20+ hours to make out Creed's vocals,you've got another
think coming,believe me. I guess it all depends on how well you think of
Chrome-they were one of my favorite bands,so I guess i'm just waxing too
nostalgic these days. Ah well.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
From: rdna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Paul Paukstelis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Front Line and Public Enemy
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:38:24 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


i'm hearing lots of people saying "yes frontline is playing," and "no, they
are not." could anyone in kansas or someone with general knowledge be able to
tell me if frontline is playing with public enemy on sept. 19 at the k.u. 
ballroom? is public enemy fun in concert? i'm not too into rap but i can
enjoy a good show.

--rDNA
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:46:11 -0400 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is Trent dead? NIN


    I've got to hand it to you, Sherlock.  You're one in a million (ie,
the 1 person in 1,000,000 who can't appreciate Trent's work).
    Readers of the rmi FAQ will note that one of the premises behind the
genesis of "industrial" music was to redefine music--a "creative revo-
lution" in the way music was made.  Bands like Throbbing Gristle, Test
Department, and Einsturzende Neubauten forged this revolution.
    Let's consider Trent.  As a one-man-band, he has considerable creative
leeway to play with.  It's no problem for him to change styles within the
"industrial" genre.  He can compose "Something I Can Never Have" and "Get
Down Make Love" and no one tells him not to (incidentially, "GDML" is a
cover of a song by Queen--another band respected/loathed for their
creativity within a genre).  Also, his lyrics are supremely personal.  He
often remarked about how painful it was to release Pretty Hate Machine,
simply because he wrote so much of himself into the album.  Since his lyrics
deal with definite personal topics, his fans find it that much easier to
relate to them.
    On the other hand, Front Line Assembly and the like seem content with
puttering around with the old formula.  As Trent said in Spin:  a fast,
16-th note bass line, distorted vocals, and vague lyrics about how shitty
things are.  "Cool.  We're there."  Now, don't flame me for condemning FLA
for this, because I do like a few of their songs.  I just can't see them
having the balls to put some of their true selves into the work.  How about
some vulnerability to contrast with the usual omniscient-macho-angst bit?
I can't see them writing anything remotely like "Something I Can Never
Have."
    If name calling is bad, then Bill Leeb is public enemy number one.  In
an Alternative Press interview, he blatantly declared his utter contempt
for every kind of music except "industrial."  Pretty open-minded, huh?  He
lumps a zillion genres into one big, distasteful label:  "kerrang" music
(after a European pop music fanzine).  Maybe Bill and Rhys could stand to
listen to a little Queen now and then?
    Yes, I think it would "suck" (pun intended) if Trent died now.  I,
for one, would like to see what his creativity may yet accomplish.  I
anxiously await the Broken ep, and any future projects.  I consider him
one of the driving forces behind the current "industrial" scene.  If you
aren't into his music, that's your loss.  FLA's mine.  Oh well....
    I don't regret starting this whole Is Trent Dead thread, but the
fact remains that no one seems to have a concrete answer.  I vote we
call this thread finished.  My thanks to everyone who responded...even
Sherlock.

                                                Joe

    "Reality is the only word in the English language that should
     always be used in quotes."
                                            - Thrill Kill Kult

    They forgot "industrial."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: new Meat Beat Manifesto single
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:08:06 GMT

In <37953@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pskibitz@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paul F A U S T !! ) writes:
>>MBM + divas = uh-oh.
>DIVAS!?!?!?!?  PLEASE DONT TELL ME THERES SCREAMING WOMEN SAMPLES
>ON THE NEXT MBM!  Could you elaborate on this please?

Only one track, and that's an "Orbital Response", i.e. remix of the track,
not the original track.  Relax.  I agree, it's the weakest track on the
single, but there is plenty of good stuff too.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
 I love the world and if I have to sue for custody, Then I will sue for custody
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                         jello is cheaper than horses!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: hard industrial (was Re: Music
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:08:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.211655.104@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep6.053022.22933@cco.caltech.edu>, ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres) writes:
|> > tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
|> > 
|> ? Im trying
|> >>to stay away from buying another tape like Einsturzened Neu Bauten
|> >>that is god awful shit.... Clang (10 sec delay) moan (in german or whatever)
|> >>clang glash bang (7 sec delay)...etc...etc... I want the fuzzed rythmetic
|> >>slam to you drop shit.......
|> > 
|> > yeah i also like "hard" industrial. i *really* hate those poseurs who put
|> > out all those CD's full of clanking metal, random sounds, and other bogus
|> > "industrial" noises. :-)
|> 
|> FC9.. you will find the following to your liking
|> 
|> Ministry- Psalm69
Also "the mind is a terrible thing to taste" and "The land of rape and honey"

|> Skrew- Burning in Water, Drowning in Flames
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Absolutely the BEST in hard industrial. 
And I mean real hard!

|> Megadeth- Rust in Peace
|> Metallica- Metallica
|> Dokken- Back for the Attack
|> Black Sabbath- Paranoid
|> Led Zepplin- Houses of the Holy
|> Eagles- Hotel California
|> 
|> FC9.. hope it helps
|> 
|> an offering of love
|> from flesh chamber9 
|> 

I saw the Ministry's NWO vid' last night. Go AL.......

Mark.
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