From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:20:35 GMT

Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen) writes:
:   It's strange you know? I have always felt that this year was the year of
: the circle because a lot of things just seem to be coming full circle..
: both personally and otherwise.

How intense.  I can almost read your aura through your words, you
know.  I dreamt last night of a bright silver cirlce crossing the
star-studded sky, and now this is a sign, a sign that I'm to be the
next to give you a clue...

:)

Sorry, had to say that.

:   Remember way back in earlier issues of Amiga World? How the letter
: columns turned to, "WHAT THE *&^& IS COMMODORE DOING UP THERE IN WEST
: CHESTER?!" and various articles on how the Amiga is dying and Commodore
: better start going.

And C='s R&D dept. in West Chester was supposed to say????

	"Here you go.  Here's the dozen and a half products we've been
working on lately.  Go ahead, sure, you can publish whatever you like,
no problem.  Of course, we really don't know if ANY of these things
will ever be something that will actually be sold.  And they're all
unfinished, and really don't show any professionalism because they're
unfinished products, but that's okay.  We don't care about having a
bad image, as long as you all know everything we're doing.  We don't
want you to think we're lazy bums, you know.  No, it's no problem,
really."

Yup.

:   Then Commodore came out with the influx of new machines.. 2000 500
: others. Then it started to come up again.. 3000 released.. now it's coming
: back full force again. People are sick and tired of seeing nothing while
: Macs and IBMs
: pass them up in all the areas that the Amiga debuted at.
: 
:   It's pretty sad.

If they had really passed the Amiga yet, there wouldn't be any
selling.  They may have more depth, but they still don't have half of
the versatility of the Amiga, and they're a far cry from replacing the
Amiga in the video realm.

:   Probably. It's really hard for me to believe that Commodore West Chester
: is closed 3 out of 5 days a week and when they are open, the developers are
: sitting around playing the newest games or EuroDemos. I just can't believe
: that is happening. So what are they doing? Who knows?

And if they can help it, it'll stay that way.  They work on far too
many things which may never make it to market to blab every little
thing they tinker with.

:   Look at the 128.. what was it? A glorified 64 that Commodore quickly
: dropped. What is the 3000? A glorified 2000 with a bigger price tag. What's
: the 2000? A 500 with a box.

They're all a whole lot more than that.  The 3000 was a total rewrite
of the Amiga itself.  A new bus, new arrays, motherboard SCSI, a whole
new system, practically.  The 2000 had Zorro II and a processor slot,
and made lots of little changes.  It's also as sturdy as a brick wall
and you can run your house on its power supply.

:   I mean, it's been in Commodore's history that upgrading meant something
: totally different. Instead of processing speed and ram capability.. they
: seem to concentrate on things that aren't expensive to them in the long
: run. 

Like?

:   Like the 2000? I really couldn't see the point of saving up an extra 500
: to 700 dollars JUST to have a box that can hold a Toaster? SO WHAT?! I can
: still get a hard drive for this machine.. it may be slightly more
: expensive.. but it's less overall?

With a 500, you've got ONE slot.  I use more than that NOW.  And I'm
getting a few MORE things.  You need SCSI?  Fine.  You need a
multi-serial card?  Fine.  As long as you remove that SCSI.  No, you
can't have both.  Oh, and now you want to hook it to Ethernet?  Sure.
Just remove the SCSI, and box that multi-serial...  oh, wait, that
won't work, because you'll never have enough storage without that scsi
hooked up too.  Maybe you should get one of those Bodega-bay hacks.
Sure, that'll do it.  Drop everything in there...  and you've paid
more than you would have for a similarly equipped 2000.

:   Their supposed upgrading schemes just don't make any damn sense to me.

600->2000->3000.  Not really that hard.  No expansion->good
expansion->great expansion.  Pretty easy.  And processors?  Well, that
can be done on ANY of the above.

:)

Greg

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