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From: rpk@niagara.edu (Richard P. Kernin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ISBN Update/New Adventure List
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello Again,

  Since my first request for ISBNs a couple of days ago, I've pretty much
completed the list (thanks David!), and loaded the ASCII database.  Currently
I'm 13 ISBNs away from completing the 182 entry database.  Below is a list of
entries that I have that are missing ISBNs, generated from the DB.  Also
I've included a list of "New Adventures" entries from the DB.  I'm pretty
sure I've got all the New Adventures that are out, but I want to be positive.
I've seen a few new ones mentioned in Doctor Who Magazine, but don't know if
they are out yet.  Thanks to those who helped, and the database will be
available soon.

-Rich

Entries Missing ISBNs:

Title                          Publisher  Lib. No.   ISBN           
-----                          ---------  --------   ----           
An Unearthly Child             Target     68                        
Harry Sullivan's War                                                
K-9 and Company                                                     
Mission to Magnus              Target                               
Terror of the Vervoids         Target     125                       
The Three Doctors              Target     64                        
The Time Meddler               Target     126                       
The Time Monster               Target     102                       
The Two Doctors                Target     100                       
The Ultimate Evil              Target                               
The War Games                  Target     70                        
Time-Flight                    Target     74                        
Warriors' Gate                 Target     71                        

New Adventures:

Title                          Author               Publisher  ISBN           
-----                          ------               ---------  ----           
Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible  Marc Platt           Target     0-426-20365-8  
Cat's Cradle: Warhead          Andrew Cartmel       Target     0-426-20367-4  
Cat's Cradle: Witch Mark       Andrew Hunt          Target     0-426-20368-2  
Love and War                   Paul Cornell         Target     0-426-20385-2  
Nightshade                     Mark Gatiss          Target     0-426-20376-3  
Timewyrm: Apocalypse           Nigel Robinson       Target     0-426-20359-3  
Timewyrm: Exodus               Terrance Dicks       Target     0-426-20357-7  
Timewyrm: Genesys              John Peel            Target     0-426-20355-0  
Timewyrm: Revelation           Paul Cornell         Target     0-426-20360-7  
Transit                        Ben Aaronovitch      Target     0-426-20384-4  


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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: UK Videos - DWM's reports. Was RE: Terminus out on video
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:12:54 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>I also note with interest that DWM mentions NOWHERE in this issue anything
>about John Nathan-Turner being fired by BBC Video or Audio.  They seem to
>indicate he left by his own decision, and that the Specials may even go
>ahead.  Those reports out of DWB were, I think, wishful thinking on the
>part of DWB's editors, who have always been anti-JNT biased ever since
>they started.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  "I wouldn't
>trust that paper to even light a fire."

   Of course the fact that JNT is an advisor to DWM and checks over ever
issue before it goes to the printers has NOTHING to do with the fact that
DWM never mentions it.  The Celestial Toyroom, TV Zone and others have all
mentioned that JNT was fired.  In fact the first time I heard the news it
came from the editor of a magazine that has nothing to do with DWB.  Just 
because DWM doesn't mention it doesn't mean it's not true.

>Steven.K.Manfred

   -Neal Crossan-
From: 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who the philosopher?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:28:55 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

> 
> At some point or other, the Doctor has met philosophers, citing Pyrrho in
> Season 1,  God from Time-Flight, and a few other which just don't come to mind
> a 6:00 a.m.
> 
> What do you think?  Is the Doctor a loose philosopher?

In Dragonfire, McCoy was talking to a guard to distract him, and said something
to the effect of
"so before Plato (??) could exist, someone had to come up of the concept of
Plato"
A lot of interesting philosophy lead to that one!!!!

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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: Re: LeeLa!  With an 'L'!
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:16:27 GMT

By the way, I meant to fix Leela's name in the subject line of
the follow-up I posted.  Her name was Leela, not Leena.

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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Adventures in the 1800s
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:29:21 GMT

Can anybody please give me a quick list of DrW adventures that took
place in the 1800s? When was the Highlanders set (or am I right out)?
Was it Evil or Power of the Daleks when Victoria joined.
By way of an explanation, I'm thinking of writing a New Adventure
type story set in this period and I don't want to cover old ground.
Thanks for the info (better post the answers in case anyone disagrees).

Happy Halibut V


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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Dalek can climb
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:06:25 GMT

In <x=_3pmn@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>|> In article <alien.0224@acheron.amigans.gen.nz>, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

>|> >>       How many scenes like that have in Who have made such a
>|> >>lasting impression on you?

>For sheer "neet" value, how about the opening to the Trial? 

>Probably blew their entire budget on that one...

I agree - perhaps *the* best effects shot from 26 years of Who...
And from the credits for that story, I saw Peter Wragg was down for special
effects - he's the chappie mainly responsible for the high-quality
model stuff in 'Red Dwarf'... Didn't that scene from 'Trial" seem just
a little reminiscent of RD? Just a thought...

Daniel.
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Doctor Who - the cancellation
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:43:47 GMT

Isn't it odd that whenever ratings for Doctor Who were flagging, the
producer would inject something new, or different, or popular into the
series, e.g. Patrick Troughton taking Hartnell's role, the re-introduction
of the Cybermen in a space-epic (Earthshock) and other, perhaps more 
subtle moves (any other examples?).

Anyway, why wasn't this done when interest was waning after Syl's last
series? Ratings were seriously down from the Pertwee/T. Baker years and
didn't compare favourably to Davison's either. Why just a cancellation? 
Why wasthere no move for renewing the show? Like a new Doctor, an old 
enemy in a decent budget epic? Perhaps the death of Ace would have been
a good way to boost ratings, as Adric's was before.

What gets me is that the Beeb just didn't bother. It wasn't getting 
enough ratings and so they just stopped it. This is why I hope the
Doctor Who movie (if it ever is made) will take a fresh approach to
the concept, with bigger budgets so that stuff looks more convincing
without losing sight of a decent storyline, will renew interest in
the good Doctor, and thus the demand for a new series will be there.

The BBC need to introduce Doctor Who to as many people as possible.
Video releases will only have limited use for this because nobody
is going to buy a video on the off chance that the contents are
going to be good if they have had no experience of it before.  
Showing the Daemons and Genesis of the Daleks helps, but they
look dated, and if they look dated then the brilliant stories tend
to get a bit lost. But a movie would show people that Doctor Who 
can compete with the likes of Star Trek and Star Wars in the 
visual/audio department, but wipes the floor with them in terms of
scripts and storylines.

What an opiniated load of claptrap. I hope you got the point.
Anyway, what do people think it will take to get the show back on
our screens again? I think the movie will either make or break Who's
future.

bye,

Happy Halibut III (Who now has a condensed .sig:

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Club listings for the British comp. 1
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:35:22 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
>As of now, the Clubs Listing entries will look like:

Why is there a Clubs listings post two times a week? Once a month is more than
enough.

If you removed all of the useless info (like every line with a "?" on it -
obviously if the line isn't there, there must not be an entry for it), you
could cut the size by 80%. The shorter something is, the more likely someone
will read it. I'm sure some people read everything, but I'm sure some people
don't have time to. When I see 60+ lines ==> 'n' key.

The listing has some use. Make it so it will be used.

Tom
From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who Movie Script
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! V0.975
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:51:35 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

Like many others, I would also be interested in seeing a copy of this.  As a
copyright holder myself, I understand the legal situation involved.  However,
if the copyright holder is willing, a way *should* be able to be worked out
where copies could be made available for 'review' purposes.  If the "legal"
copyright holder is the BBC, however, I *believe* (from people I've know who
have had dealings with same) that the chances of such an arrangement being
made are about the same of a snowflake surviving a month-long trip through
Hades.  How about it Mr. Byrne?  What's the situation?
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 09:12:03 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Next batch of US DW vids

This month's issue of PREVIEWS (a comic book advance order magazine)
solicits orders for April shipment for the following CBS/FOX titles:

The Twin Dilemma $19.95
Earthshock $19.95
The Cybermen: The Early Years $19.95 (120 minutes)
The Tom Baker Years $29.95 (2 cassettes)

Plus (also from CBS/FOX) two versions of The Hitchhikers Guide to the
Galaxy on video: the standard edition fits all six episodes on one EP
tape, the deluxe edition is on two tapes, with a paperback copy of the
book, and a letter from Douglas Adams, all apparently in a slipcase.
No prices mentioned.

This information is all from memory since I forgot to bring it with
me today, but I thought y'all might like to hear it, so if someone will
verify its accuracy, great, if not, I will later.

Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
Data Communications Technician           William Rainey Harper College
Information Systems department         1200 W Algonquin Rd Palatine IL
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From: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price)
Subject: Re: The Doctor Who Formula...?
Reply-To: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Particle Physics Research Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:08:16 GMT

In article <17809@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>(1) The Doctor and Generic Female Companion land on a planet and discover
>that the general population lives under the thumb of an evil dictatorship
>/ alien force.  The Doc hooks up with the local resistance forces, infiltrates
>the baddies' Fortified Underground Defence Installation, and with the help
>of a young male hero-figure and a misguided puppet-leader who the Doctor shows
>the truth to, manages to drive away / destroy the bad guys.  The companion
>tends to get captured and scream a lot.  Classic examples of this formula
>include "Underworld", "The Pirate Planet", "The Twin Dilemma", "The Web
>Planet", "The Sunmakers", "The Face of Evil" (with the twist that the subjects
>are in two factions), "The Macra Terror", and about half the Dalek stories.

	...and the Generic Female Companion falls in love with the Young 
Male Hero-Figure, and leaves the Doctor.

I mean, if you're going to spoof it, spoof it right.  :)

           John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
           Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
From: jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo)
Subject: WTVS Dr Who listings for January
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:20:31 GMT

I finally got my Signal 56 magazine, and it gave out the titles of the follow-
ing shows:

January 9  Time Lash
January 16 Trial of the Timelords
January 23 Trial of the Timelords (again?)
January 30 Dragon Fire

I wish I could have gotten it sonner.


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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Constants a Movie should observe
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:41:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan9.224024.601@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>I've been giving thought to this in-the-works Doctor Who movie that will
>probably finally get made here in a year or two.  

>There are few constants in all of the television series, but what few there
>are I feel are sort of "sacred" and should be observed in the movie, and
>then everything else is open to whatever the producers want.  I feel like
>is these particular things aren't done, then I can't consider it "official"
>Doctor Who. 

...snip snip snip...

>1)  The theme music.  It MUST be the Ron Grainer signature tune.

I'm of two minds about this.  On the one hand, I was disgusted when Star
Trek: The Motionless Picture didn't use the original ST theme music.  On
the other hand, now I think the ST:TNG / ST:TMP theme conveys the feel of
Star Trek at its best better than the original theme did.  (IMHO, it
conveys that feel better than many of the shows which have the music
attached to it, but that's neither here nor there.)  I think, again, it's
more important that the theme music carry the FEEL of the show than any
specific pattern of notes.  Whatever music is used has to immediately say
"This isn't quite like anything you've ever seen or heard before."  It was
easy for Ron Grainer and company to do that in 1963 -- no one had heard any
kind of synthesyzer effects back then.  I'd love to hear anything which
can create the sense of "oooh" which that first arrangement of the theme
must have done.

[re the title sequence]

>	And that should be it.  No "A Merimax film, A Joe Director film,
>	A Phil Producer film, Starring Impressive Star" credits, in
>	fact no other credits in the opening at all, or if they do
>	appear, they appear after the writer credit and the title patterns
>	return.

I think the Director's Guild would have something to say about that, at the
very least.  There are certain movie credits which must come at the beginning
of the film.  If you have to have it that way, though, you could probably
at least put the above-the-title credits before the title sequence itself.
There's no law against the show having a teaser scene, after all -- just
watch the original "Remembrance of the Daleks"...

>	I'd then suggest the normal closing title music over the title
>	patterns, give the major actors, major technical people, 
>	then Producer etc, end the title music and the patterns there and
>	continue the fiddly credits on a black background with either a
>	weird arrangement of the music or a specially commissioned song,
>	possibly for pop music release, but still suitably weird for the
>	Doctor.

Urk.  Yes, it's M.C. Hammer doing the "Doctor Groove"...
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Subject: Test
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:20:22 GMT
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: DWB vs. DWM (was Re: UK Videos - DWM's...)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:25:34 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu wrote:
>I also note with interest that DWM mentions NOWHERE in this issue anything
>about John Nathan-Turner being fired by BBC Video or Audio.  They seem to
>indicate he left by his own decision, and that the Specials may even go
>ahead.  Those reports out of DWB were, I think, wishful thinking on the
>part of DWB's editors, who have always been anti-JNT biased ever since
>they started.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  "I wouldn't
>trust that paper to even light a fire."

It is said quite often in DWB from both fans and writers that DWM is the
mouth-piece for JNT. So of course it won't mention that he was fired. Lack
of existence isn't proof. I only have only a few issues of DWB and none of
DWM. My comments are based on many letters written to DWB. Some have praised
DWM and/or JNT, but all have said that JNT uses DWM to air his views. I think
many people have said here on the net that DWM publishes many false rumors
(I'll leave it up to those who made the comments to verify what I'm saying).

I would trust a magazine written by and for the fans over another.

>There is another pet theory of mine which states that people who hate 
>something traditionally raise their voices much higher than do people who
>love something.  The theory seems supported by the following things one
>reads in this current DWM's letter's page...

You provide a good example here by speaking out against DWB 8-).

>Lesson of the Day:  Never take Dream Watch Bulletin seriously, or even
>			with a grain of salt.  A few pounds *may* suffice.

Let both magazines exist. If you don't like one, don't buy it or read it.
Don't lobby against it. You deny others something that they might want. This
goes along with the arguments concerning a US Dr. Who or a UK Star Trek: just
because one person thinks it's blasphemy, don't deny the thousands or millions
who might want to see it.

I don't choose to read DWM, but I'm not going to tell one person not to buy it
even if I had sufficient evidence as to why. The photonovels alone make DWB
worthwhile (those are the only issues I own, though). DWB carries news other
than Doctor Who (ST TNG, Robin of Sherwood, Blake's 7, The Prisoner, Red Dwarf,
probably ST DS9, and more).

Tom
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From: pavalin@bnr.ca (Paul Valin)
Subject: Re: I answer the challenge of Simon Patience
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho,soc.culture.british,alt.tv.prisoner,rec.arts.tv.uk
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:26:54 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
> 
> Doctor Who
> Monty Python
> Blake's 7
> The Prisoner
> Secret Agent
> The Saint
> Butterflies
> Fawlty Towers
> A Very British Coup
> Traffik
> BBC World Sercive TV News
> Are You being served?
> Black Adder
> Mr. Bean
> Rowan Atkinson Live
> Star Cops
> Waiting For God
> Shakespeare (BBC & ITN)
> Tiger on the Tiles
> BBC series on Miss Marple
> Sherlock Holmes (BBC & ITN)
> 
>There are others.  Fellow N.A. netters, please help me out and help the
>Britons to determine the ratio of British shows sent overseas/ British shows
>produced.

Add...

Drop the Dead Donkey              The East Enders
House of Elliott                  Robin Hood (w. Sean Connery's son)
Not the Nine O'Clock News         Rupert the Bear
Maid Marian and Her Merry Men     The Two Ronnies
The Professionals                 The Dave Allen Show
Grange Hill                       The Fall & Rise of Reginald Perrin
Red Dwarf                         Me and My Girl
Alexei Sayle's Stuff              On the Buses
All Creatures Great and Small

Not sure the exact wording of a few of the titles, but I'm sure 
you get the picture.

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