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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Flame wars and copyright..
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk


 dsp@polari.com writes...

[ ... ]

          There's many unresolved questions here in cyberspace and
          I'd love to see something along the lines of: Net Folks at
          It Again

          The powers that be wether they're in Gov. or in the Press
          will never know how to make an informed decision about the
          questions facing us all unless we take the time to inform
          them about the issue's.

                Don

Thank you Don, for the first injection of sanity into this thread for
some time.

Leo
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Joshua Tree NM. Need info on photo experiences
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:31:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

It is possible I may get out to Joshua Tree National Monument (I think it
is a NM, I know it's not a National Park - yet), sometime in mid May. I
would appreciate comments from other photographers who have been there on
the subject of what and where to photograph. My main interest is in
wildlife (but anything else is OK too). I believe there are dessert bighorn
in the area - are they hard to find (I assume so, since all the other
bighorn sheep seem to be elusive)? Are there any dessert flowers around in
mid May?

Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: air travel with tripod
From: amolitor@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:28:30 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Apr16.055852.25573@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>,
    ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) writes:
> 
> So, what do those of you who use a tripod do when you travel by air?
> Do you take the tripod on the plane with you?  (If so, do you ever
> have any problems with airport security?)
> 

	I've taken mine as carryon at least once, and have never had the
slightest trouble from security. They're interested in taking my cameras
apart (and are wonderfully mystified by the big TLR :) but don't give
a hoot about the 'pod.

	Andrew

> Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
>                                          FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
From: astro@iris1.oceanroutes.ns.ca (ASTRO)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Hasseblad/Bronica/Rollei, which should I get?
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:42:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

Since my follow-up was bounced back at me, I will summarize my reply
to steve's [post...

The Zeis 80 2.8 is a design which, except for T* coating has not
changed in years.  That said, once stopped down  a bit it is excellent.
Hasselblad recommends the 100 f 3.5 if you need absolutely supreme image
quality wide open.

However, the 120 makro planar f4 is a simply fantastic optic, and has the macro
feature as well.  It has become a standard for many hassy shooters.

The new 50mm f 4 FLE is a very fine lens as well...hasselblad knew that the original
50 was not first rate at close distances, and the new floating element
design is excellent..but you have to pay attention to the secondary
ring for the floating element which can be a pain at times (took me about
5 minutes to get used to it :-)...

I think that in the realm of medium format optics one has to take other factors into consideration as well as lens quality.  There is no doubt that Hasselblad
lenses have tremendous life span, are solidly built, use primo shutters, and
retain their resale value for years.  Making an investment in Med. Format
equipment is a major committment no matter which system you buy into.

Also the hassy system is very broad and deep and rentalls are usually
available in most centres.  Also, used equipment is readily available,
usually in good shape, but, admittedly, not cheap.

My further 2 cents worth....

brian
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Sigma 21-35 vs 24-50 
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 06:05:09 GMT

Has anyone tried both lenses?

On one hand the 24-50 is not only (a lot) cheaper, takes 52mm filter (I 
already has a 52mm Nikon Cir Polarizer), and compact, but then the 21-35 
is supposed to be a "acclaimed" lens, saw somewhere that it is the 
"European Lens of the Year", and has a wider angle-of-view (yes, for my 
Grand Canyon trip again).

Both local libraries do not carry late issues of Popular Photo (darn budget),
so if anyone saw review of either, please mention what it say. Thanks.
From: faust@vpqrb1.enet.dec.com (Stephen R Faust)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Event Horizons Info
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:52:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr4.035916.1644@news.Hawaii.Edu>, craig@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Craig Oshiro) writes...
> 
>The outcome will set a precedent.  I've yet to get confirmation but I do
>believe Playboy was going to get into the electronic imaging business.  I
>agree in regards to their resources when compared to Event Horizons as
>a whole.  They may possibly end up settling out of court but it will
>more than likely damage Event Horizon's business.  Funny turn of events
> 

Im going to be watching this closely. Since professional photographers
all over the country have voiced concerns over electronic retouching,
manipulation, and derivative works, I fully expected to see a lawsuit
from a photographer suing an art director/agency/magazine for using their
original photo, manipulating it with others, then using it in an ad or
publication without paying usage charges. I really didnt expect to see
Playboy vs a BBS suit, however, I support them fully.

This will indeed set a precedent. I also belive that since Event Horizons
has weakend their position greatly (obvious copyright notice, copyrighted
it themselves, ignored Playboys request, collected money, etc..), a positive
outcome will result, which will be as a basis for future suits (even though
all cases are different, it will still have a positive impact).

>given that most of his images have a copyright notice on them.  I wonder
>if he actually placed a copyright on those PB scanned images....

From what I understand, he did. Taken right off the printed page, and added
his BBS copyright notice. He never should have done that! He would be in a
much better position if he stated Playboys copyright, thereby, not claiming
ownership himself on something that is obviously his to claim.

.....

Its one thing to copy a program off the TV set to view later, or an article
out of newsweek to give to a friend, but quite another to copy something and
distribute it worldwide. Not quite the same thing, as noted by Playboys
actions!

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Digital Equipment Corp.                            faust@bagels.enet.dec.com
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Littleton, MA
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From: bjs@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Sigma's Zen finish
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:23:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <74042@netnews.upenn.edu> liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang) writes:

>"Zen" finish crap has got to rank right up there with the best
>Canon-Minolta yuppie advertizing slogans.  (nothing can beat the EOS
>ability to let you experience "oneness")

Personally I'm most offended by the "Image is everything" slogan that
I see on the "Canon billboard" every time lately when I drive up to San
Francisco lately.  Makes me feel outdated for thinking that substance should 
enter into the equation a little.  (Yes I do get the pun, but still ...)

I'm also reminded of a little discussion I overheard between two camera
store clerks last Saturday.  They were debating in a friendly manner the 
merits of different top-line 35mm cameras.  "I want the Zapparama XXIV cuz 
it's got 4.29 frames per second." "NO!  I want the Belchfire Rollburner cuz \
*it's* got 5.46 frames per second!".  Sigh.  It was hard to tell whether they 
were discussing tools for creating images or Italian sports cars.  Sigh
(again).  Please note the complete absence of smilies.

Barry




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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: lkoh@oak.math.ucla.edu (Liang Koh)
Subject: looking for used loup
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 23:33:35 GMT


I am interested in buying a used professional loup. Please email me at the
above address if you have one to sell.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: advertisers - USE THE DISTRIBUTION LINE!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

mike@ravel.udel.edu (Michael James Porter) wrote:
> Darkroom Equipment for sale: [...]
> The enlarger is pretty big to ship.  However, I could arrange to get
> it to most places on the East Coast..

Some of us here might be interested if you mean the east coast of Scotland.
Somehow I doubt that you do.

PLEASE, people advertising here,use the "Distribution:" line to restrict
where your ad goes to, unless you're seriously interested in finding a
buyer from anywhere in the world.  For most of the rather routine gear
advertised here you probably don't have a prayer of finding a taker from
more than a few hundred miles away.  (Exotica like Mike Godfrey's Linhof
obviously excepted).
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Re: Nikon 6006 (F-601) price
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 09:26:16 GMT

In <5741@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>	Could someone tell me how much the Nikon 601 costs in the USA or more
>importantly Dubai duty free shop? A friend of mine plans to buy it with a
>35-70 mm Nikor lens. I would be grateful if someone could mail me the price of
>the body only as well as with the lens (all prices including taxes, etc).

At The Good Guys (a Nikon retailer), we sell the N6006 for $418,
the Nikkor 35-70 lens for $178, the CR-P2 battery for $12.99 plus
7.75% California sales tax. A Hoya multicoated skylight fileter is
$15.99, or a Cokin skylight is $9.99. One year Nikon international
warranty. A five year international extended service is $39.95 for
the body, ten years on the lens is $9.95.


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From: ai918@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Shafer)
Subject: Re: Minolta SLR info wanted (non-maxxum)
Reply-To: ai918@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Shafer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:14:57 GMT


In a previous article, ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook) says:

>I have a couple of SRTs, and am shopping for another camera
>body.  Can anyone point me at a summary of features for minolta
>SLRs, especially the X-models (XD-, XE-, etc.)?  Opinions and
>rants about different models would also be appreciated.
>
>So far, I'm sort of tempted to get either an SRT-202, because i 
>know it will do what i want, or an XK, because i vaguely remember
>that they look neat...on the other hand, a new X-700 body is only
>$180 or so from B&H, but i don't know how obnoxious the auto-
>exposure system might be.  Assuming it *is* AE, that is...
>

I am in a smililar position. I have a STR-102. What are the features of
the SRT-202 and XK? Do they use MC Rokkors or MD Rokkors?

-- 
Jeff Shafer
ai918@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux)
Subject: Cameras with lockup, etc.
Reply-To: chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:15:18 GMT

I have been getting into Astrophotography lately and have been using a
Pentax K1000 for same. I have thought about replacing this camera and getting
something that:
1) I can use for Astrophotography.
2) I can use for Auto Everything.

When I went to the store and started looking at cameras I noticed the
following.

1) Many of the cameras do not have cable release.
2) Many of the cameras drain the batteries even in Bulb mode or T mode or
whatever the manufacturer likes to call it.
3) As far as I can tell, many still do not have mirror lock up which is
part of the incentive to use something other than my K1000 for
Astrophotography. Brighter focusing screens are another.

Can anybody recommend a good autoeverything camera that still has
cable release and mirror lockup and that preferably doesn't drain the
batteries and short of that takes NICADS.

Looking at the 8008 it looked like it had some sort of remote unit that
might serve the function of a cable release. Is that correct? Looking at
the instruction book, I could neither verify or reject that. Also, does
it have mirror lock-up? I saw nothing about it in the book.

Also, I have noticed the shutter on my K1000 gets very cranky when I am out
in 20 degree weather. Is there something I can, should, etc. lubricate to
help it out in this regards?

Thanks.

On a somewhat related note, what should I expect to spend for a good
color enlarger?

Finally, I have heard mention of a FAQ for the newsgroup but still haven't
seen it. Does this exist?
From: jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: FOR SALE: Pako FB Print Dryer
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:33:56 GMT

Attention Fiber-Base Printers!

I have a Pako Pakonomy Model 13 FB Print Dryer I am interested in selling.
It works great, I just don't use it enough to justify the space (ie. my wife  
wants me to get it out of the house :-)).  

It is a drum style unit for those not familiar, which will give a glossy or  
matte finish on fiber-based paper.  It is about 3 ft. square, and has an apron  
width of about 11 inches.  I have a spare (brand new) heating element and  
thermostat, and a spare (used) apron for it.

It has adjustable temp and time, with a modification for automatic cool-down.  

Anyone interested?  If so, e-mail me for more details and price discussion, no  
reasonable offer refused.  Buyer must either pick-up or pay shipping (it's  
heavy)

Thanks!

James

--
-comments are my own, and do not reflect the views of TAMU- so there!

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Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-2257
From: yoshi@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (D M Yoshikami)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Shooting Neon Lights
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:43:51 GMT
Organization: National Naval Medical Center

>goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>: Neon signs flicker at a 60 hertz rate, so fast shutter speeds are out.
>: You'll need a tripod.  I recommend shutter speeds of .5 sec or faster.
                                                        ^^^^^^

While we're on the subject of shutter speeds, be careful to read the little
instruction leaflet that comes with the film regarding reciprocity law 
faliure (RLF).  You can get wierd unwanted effects with shutter speeds that
are very long or very short.  I don't remember offhand, but it seems to make a
difference with shutter speeds faster than 1/1000th or slower than 1/2 sec.
The film's tolerance for RLF will differ slightly from film to film, but I'd
make sure beforehand.  [If the film doesn't have a leaflet (a lot of 35mm films
don't have them anymore) or if you accidentally threw it away, you can always
give the manufacturer a call.  I suppose the photo-lab index would have this
kind of info also.]

Normally to compensate for RLF, you'll have to slightly over or underexpose
the film (compensate by changing your opening, not the shutter speed or else
you'll compound the RLF problems), and you'll have to play fun and games with
developing.  With colour, this can become a particular problem as you have
three layers of sensitized emulsion to worry about, and since they'll be 
receiving different amounts of light, it is quite possible to get some wierd
shifts of colour.  Of course, this depends on the film, the shutter speed,
and how it was processed.

Best of luck, and Please let us know how the photographs come out.

DY :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander)
Subject: Re: How to clean multi-coated filters?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:12:51 GMT

Several months ago I asked one of the techs at Nikon's information center
(800-NIKON-US is the number, I think) what the official recommended juice
was for cleaning Nikon lenses and filters.  He told me to use pure methyl
alcohol (methanol).  I tried it and found that it worked quite well,
leaving less residue than Kodak cleaner or the ROR stuff.

But be careful, methanol is poison.  Use it in a well ventilated area, and
keep it away from anyone who might be tempted to ingest it (children, pets,
and depressed wives of unsuccessful presidential candidates).
-- 
Julian Vrieslander 
Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853    
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Shooting neon lights
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

These will flicker at 120Hz in US and 100 hz in most of the rest of
the world - they ignite at twice the mains frequency - once for the
positive peak and once for the negative. The actual pulses are quite
long, and decay quite slowly so you can get away with exposures down
to (probably) 1/250 I would think. 1/60th ought to be regarded as a
practical limit.

The only neon type tubes that won't suffer this flicker are those
powered by batteries: It is cheaper to make an inverter run at higher
frequencies (cf the whistle from your flashgun etc well in the
audible band).

Leo
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: B&H: Please help! 
Reply-To: jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:50:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.231251.25547@a.cs.okstate.edu> ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG) writes:
>
>p.s. Is Camera World of Oregon different?  Do they ship immediately? 

I placed two orders with CWO in the past three months. They did ship promptly,
but only items they had in stock. Each time, an order of 5 or 6 items showed up
in three shipments during the course of 10 days. I guess this gives CWO a 
perception  of prompt service. But in fact they still took 10 days to complete
the entire order.

BTW, I recently ordered a Sigma 70-210 APO. But I am rather dissappointed 
in finding out that they shipped me one without the "Zen" finish. I will
see if I can get this problem corrected.

C. Jason Chen 
jchen@flash.bellcore.com
Xref: sparky rec.photo:7051 can.general:2145 misc.legal:9224
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo,can.general,misc.legal
Subject: Re: What is required to sell pictures?
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.144944.17626@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, lavoie@bnr.ca (Marc Lavoie) writes:
> 
> As far as I know, if there are people in your photos, you must have
> them sign a release form stating clearly what the picture will be used
> for.  For example, "can be used in a photo contest", "can be sold",
> "I give up any rights to the picture", "can be sold but xx% must be paid
> to the subject"...
> 
> The only case where this does not apply is for pictures where people are
> not recognizable (too fuzzy, too far...) or if the pictures were taken
> at an open event, demonstration... as long as people just happen to be there
> (in other words, I don't think you can click pictures of one person all day).
> This is the exception that allows television station to broadcast footage
> of events without getting a release from everybody.
> 

Hmmm.  I took a picture of a large structure at a music festival last year. 
The structure is surrounded by people in the picture, and with an 8x10
print, some of the faces are pretty clear.  I have considered trying to sell
the print (not sure who too yet !), but I didn't get a release form from
anyone in the crowd!  It would have been impossible to do so due to the
large number of people milling around.  I guess this qualifies as an open
event.  Come to think of it, I've seen several books about various music
fests, notably the 1969 Woodstock Fest, and they include crowd shots.  I
guess no one bothered with release forms (they would still be signing them
for Woodstock).
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
"Slight movement during exposure is often the cause of serious degradation of 
 image quality, although photographers often seem to prefer to blame their 
 equipment, usually criticizing the lens quality!", Ansel Adams, THE CAMERA.
From: mlwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mochun L Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: View Camera maganize?
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:12:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Apr12.171234.8749
Organization: The Ohio State University

>   View Camera Magazine
>   ====================
>
>   2774 Harkness St.
>   Sacramento, CA  95818
>   916/441.2557
>
>   Published Jan/Feb, Mar/Apr, May/June, July/Aug,
>   Sept/Oct, Nov/Dec.
>
>  I can't remember the subscription price.
>
>
> Peter Davidoff

The subscription price is:

One Year (6 issue) $24 US, Canada/Mexico $35 (US Currency)
Two Year (12 issues) $40 US, "       "   $65 (US Currency)

You may order back orders from them also.

Wang
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