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From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: HR-16\HR-16b opinions
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison WI
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.103505.8528@iscsvax.uni.edu> gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Hello,
>   If anyone (and I know there are people) that have Alesis' HR-16s or HR-16s 
>and\or have opinions about these drum machines I would like to hear them. 
>First off, what is the difference?  I have found both for sale here for $150
>apiece and a freind and I are both thinking about taking one.  Seems like a
>pretty good deal based upon the used price list and the little I know about
>them.  Thanks....

You're welcome. The main difference between the two units is the selection
of sounds. The HR-16:B's sounds could be characterized as "harsher"
sounding than the HR-16's. Better suited to, say, industrial stuff, with
cool, distinctive things like "torque wrench" thrown in. Note that IMO
distinctive is usually bad for drum machine sounds: the educated listener
thinks "ah, the torque wrench. charming." But most of the sounds are quite
punchy, yet not *too* distinctive...

One thing you should know about both units is that the sounds tend much
more toward the realistic than in many drum machines. You can do a
very good simulation of an acoustic drum kit with one. However, if your
music tends toward synthetic bleeps, etc., you might want to find a less
natural sounding unit. 

I like the UI more than any other drum machine I've worked with. The
pressure-sensitive buttons feel really good to me, but I'm sure some would
disagree. The programming is straightforward, I rarely looked at the 
manual after 8 hours or so.

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| Randy Jones           | 
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: RENAME: Those against name change PLEASE READ!
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:25:52 GMT
Organization: GSP Whitewater Slalom Racing Team

Dave Hayes writes
> 1) Please crosspost ONE message of dissent about the name change to 
> news.groups. That way the news admins will get a clearer idea of who all
> does not support the change. ESPECIALLY DO THIS IF YOUR VOTE WAS NOT COUNTED.

Sigh.  One more time: every properly-submitted vote that was received
was counted.  Every improperly-submitted vote was sent back to the
sender with a note requesting that they re-read the voting instructions
and try again.  Please note that:

	1. Votes never received by the vote-taker can't be counted.

	2. It is not required that the vote-taker notify prospective
	voters that they have erred.  I did so as a courtesy and as
	an attempt to maximize participation in the process.  Some of
	the people who had their incorrect ballots returned to them
	later submitted correct ballots; some of them did not.  Some
	of the people who had their incorrect ballots returned wanted
	to vote yes; some wanted to vote no; and some wanted to "split
	the ticket", so to speak.

	3. It is entirely possible that some of the messages that I
	sent out advising people that their votes were incorrectly
	submitted didn't reach their destination.  Although I am at
	a well-connected site with excellent mail routing facilities,
	I recognize that letters don't always reach their destination.
	There's nothing I can do about that, which I why I posted vote
	acknowledgements in order to help inform people as to whether
	or not their vote had been received and counted.

	4. During the five-day waiting period, I received one (1)
	letter of complaint from a voter who wished to vote "no".
	This person's first (incorrectly submitted) attempt reached me,
	and I responded with the "please try again" message.  They
	received that message and requested another copy of the ballot.
	Their second messsage apparently did not reach me -or- my
	reply to it did not reach them.  (I can't say which, because
	I did not archive every last bit of correspondence, just most
	of it.  I do know that I responded to all queries and requests
	for copies of the ballot promptly, because I felt it was
	my responsbility to do so.)

---Rsk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: fvkampen@cs.vu.nl (Kampen van F)
Subject: Re: What are good multitibral sound modules for under $500
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:27:24 GMT

You can for instance think of the Roland MT32. 
It's an oldie, but there are thousands (yes, litterary) of sounds
available. (ftp / Public Domain etc.)
It has some nice reverb and good Midi options. (panning etc.)
(and of course great sounds)

Also, you can find some anologue modules, like the reck-version of
the JX-series.
Also, the Yamaha FB01. It is Extremely Cheap (i got mine for $150) But 
it has some great FM-sounds. (you can compare it with a DX-27 or something). It is also stereo.         f


fvkampen@cs.vu.nl. (For Info, or sounds for the modules mentioned above)

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re:    Oberheim Matrix 1000 vs. Matrix 6R
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:49:05 GMT

In article <92318.100112K3067E0@ALIJKU11.BITNET>, Stefan Ratschan <K3067E0@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
> Does anyone know the exact difference between the
> Oberheim Matrix 1000 and the Matrix 6R?

The Matrix 6R is a 3-space rack version of the Matrix 6 keyboard.  The M1000
has the same sound architecture but has 800 ROM presets and 200 RAM presets.
On a stock machine, the 200 RAM are a "best of" from the 800 ROM.  The 6R has
on-board programmability as does the M6 keyboard.  Any computer-based editor
for the 6 will work with the 6R and 1000, the 1000 just lacks on-board
programability.

If you're looking to get one and feel like taking the risk that Oberheim may or
may not be around (how many times have they gone out of business anyway?) I
strongly recommend both of these synths.  I would sooner part with my Proteus
than my Matrix-1000.  And I've had no reliability problems in the 5 or so years
I've had it.

Stephen


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:44:55 GMT

In article <1dbpgnINNaeg@agate.berkeley.edu> shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu  
(Ken Shirriff) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.030317.10383@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>  
dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> >>So where were these hordes of r.m.synth posters who oppose the change?
> >Apparently most of them were not aware of the vote until it was too  
late.
> 
> Well, I for one am a r.m.synth poster who was not aware of the vote  
until I
> saw the current discussion.  I went back and checked and there were  
indeed
> calls for votes in rec.music.synth with the subject: "3rd CFV and VOTE  
ACK:
> rec.music.makers.* groups".  Since I don't read rec.music.makers or care  
what
> happens there, I skipped over that posting and didn't learn about the  
vote.
> Perhaps the CFV subject line should make it clear to whom the CFV is  
relevant?
> 
> Ken Shirriff					 
shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU

Ditto.

Gordon

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From: dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: quantizing
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:08:29 GMT
Organization: Epilogue Technology Corp.



     Can I quantize tracks with the ESQ-1? The manual doesn't mention
it that I can tell unless they give it another name. In general, the
sequencer is easy to use, but if I can't do quantizing (or step entry)
then it's useless to me. I'm more of a composer than a pianist.
Yes, I could turn the tempo down and do live entry, but there will still be
timing errors (because I'm not a trained pianist) that I can't live with.

    Also... I'd like to get an ESQ-1 patch exchange going. (yes people, I
*am* learning to program my own patches so no flames please) Does anyone
have an electronic version of the blank program sheet in the back of the ESQ
manual? If so, please post it. If not, I'll type it in and post it for use
in people's editors. There is already an ESQ patch directory on louie.udel.edu
and ucsd.edu in the midi sections (but neither contain any patches yet)


 Dana
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Phone:         Int +31 1719 83606
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Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33]
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:45:45 MET
From:         Andrea TONI <andrea@SIHP03.SI.ESTEC.ESA.NL>
Subject:      -- DSS-1 SCSI and paolo --
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

Hi,
Sorry to bother the net but somebody "Paolo" send me a note in a
system where I'm no longer user ..
I think he is Italian could you please e-mail again to this new address


Ciao,
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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Copyright on patches
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:27:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <hjv.721143672@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>And, if indeed the b-seq is copyrighted, then how can one *ever* prove
>that _my_ byte-sequence, which 'happens to be identical', was stolen/copied?

Well that depends on how much you pay your lawyer.

>In that case this copyright would be just a bag of air.
>Well, maybe it is... ???

Yip it is.

IMO it is a con to generate income for people associated with the courts.

It appears that to find out about copyright, you have to be taken to court
first as it all depends on the attitude of the jury.

Davei
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Checksum Error on R5 w/ Superlibrarian
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:57:15 GMT


	When I use Superlibrarian v3.3 on my Atari ST to snarf data out of my
R5 (on midi channel 16) I instantly get a 'checksum error!!' on the R5.  This
seems to happen from the inital request, and of course, SL hangs waiting.
What might be causing this and what is a remedy?  I have been using the
generic bulk profile which works but I'd like to get the R5 profile to work.
One clue:  this did work once before but now it doesn't.  Could the data
in the R5 have become corrupted?  Even when I init the R5 to factory I still
can't do the transfer.

Brett Maraldo
Plexus Productions


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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Two Fun SH-101 Hacks
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison WI
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:57:12 GMT

I had a fun hardware hacking session last night, and thought I'd post
details. I found two places in the SH101 circuit where taps can be made 
to inject external signals. One allows processing of these signals via
the filter and VCA, like on the Minimoog. The other is an audio-level
FM input, which lets the amplitude of the external signal modulate the 
VCO frequency.  

Disclaimer: I make no promises as to the correctness of this information.
It worked for me, and I'm being reasonably careful in describing how I
did the modifications. I'm a passable solderer. If your SH-101 blows up,
I'm not buying you a new one. &c.

Filter hack: 

Open back of case with Phillips screwdriver. Keep screws 
in teacup or other suitable container. Note: the two middle screws have
smaller threads and should go back where they came from. Connect the
negative side of your choice of input jack to ground on the SH101. There's
a nice big ground trace on the left side of the lower board, in the nook
formed by the notch in the upper board. 

Now, connect a 1uF (or any reasonably small) capacitor to the hot side 
of your input jack. I used enclosed plastic jacks, and glued the cap to
the side of the jack. 

Find R109 on the component side of the exposed, topmost circuit board.
It's just below the printed legend "VCF WIDTH" in the top center. Connect
the righthand side of this resistor to the free end of the 1uF cap.
That's it. If you're desperate to get going, you could leave out the cap,
but you'll get a nasty thunk every time you plug something in.

FM hack:

Even simpler. Connect the negative end of your jack to ground, and the 
positive end directly to the Left hand side of R107 on the component side
of the board. It's just below the trimpot near R109. That's it.

There's no volume/sensitivity control for either of these mods. They
could be added pretty easily, but I have outboard volume controls on
other things, so there's really no need. These are "hacks", not "upgrades"...

But they seem to work quite well. Background hum and noise were not 
increased noticeably by either mod. One should solder to the trace side, not
the component side. But I didn't have an extra teacup for the other screws.

For the adventurous: Plug "output" into the FM mod input. Listen via the
headphone out. Just try finding more Heavily Processed Pain for yer money.

Happy Hacking,
Randy

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| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |
From: knight@rtsg.mot.com (Paul E. Knight)
Subject: Kawai R100 Drum Machine wanted
Summary: Looking to purchase one used ...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:39:38 GMT

I am interested in purchasing a used (obviously) Kawai R100 drum machine. 
Please email particulars to:

paulk@cradhp10.comm.mot.com

Tnx,

Paul Knight
From: emrys@cellar.org (mitch gorman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: YAPR - SY22 Patches
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:51:52 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system


	Yes, it's yet another patch request!

	I am looking for new patches for my SY22.  Unfortunately, I do not
have ftp access, so I'm looking either for someone to mail me patches that
they have/use, or for a mail server archive site.

	TIA!

		Mitch
		emrys@cellar.ORG
		cellar!emrys@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com

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The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Net terms?
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:39:35 GMT

Pardon my ignorance in Netspeak...but what do RFD and CFV stand for?  I keep
seeing them mentioned in the debates about the renamed groups.  Is there
something I should read to be aware of these and other terms?

Thanks,

Stephen

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From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: CSQ-600
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:58:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have several analouge synths.  I wish to purchase a cv digital sequencer for
them such as a Roland CSQ-100, Csq-600, or MC-4, or MC-202.  Does anyone know
where I can find one, or at least how much they are selling for these days?

thank you,

Jonathan Disegi  (jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
From: jlp@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: FOR SALE KX-88 & TX-7
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:55:29 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Nov11.175331.15870@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
jlp@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: 
> I have a hardly used KX-88 and TX-7 for sale.  
> 
> I will sell them as a set for $1,225 or individually,
> the TX-7 for $275
> the KX-88 for $1,050
> 
> Please contact me if you are interested.  If I am misunderstanding the 
> recent listing of used prices posted on the net, please let me know (I
> have not read this group before and am having a horrible time trying 
> to figure out how to get the index for this group, but that is my problem.)
> 
> I do not read this group much at all.  Please contact me with an offer at
> jlp@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu or 607/272-1651.  
> 
> Please ask if you have any questions
> 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:03:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.160627.26923@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  
(Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 
> >I just want to hear it once. I know you can do it. Just say "The  
subject  
> >line could have been worded in a more obvious way". I know you think it  
> >doesn't matter since the people that didn't read the message are  
obviously  
> >"ignorant" and "lazy". But can't you simplay say that it was poorly  
done?
> 
> Come back when you have found a subject line that clearly indicates,
> for ALL involved groups, that they are involved.
> 

Perhaps the proposal was too broad if it's impact to existing groups can't  
be indicated AT ALL in its subject line.

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From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Arp Quadra
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:25:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anyone know much about an Arp Quadra, or have one for sale?
I really like Arp products, and I was wondering where to find one
Does anyone know if they can be MIDI'd?  How much do they sell for
and are they hard to find?

Any responsed would be greatly appriciated.

Jonathan Disegi
Boston University
(jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SGI Indigo: Dig. Audio & Animation
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:09:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Nov4.125918.1112@yvax.byu.edu> feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes:
*
*NeXT enthusiasts, though, should not be making too many remarks about  
*SGI's "expensive" apps.  :-)  However, the Indigo does have some  
*disadvantages compared to a NeXT.  I may be wrong here, but I've been told  
*that the Indigo has a DSP, but no DSP port or software access to the DSP  
*itself (you can't program it).  It's used only as a sound manager.  This  
*makes nifty programs like MetroTracks for the NeXT (a direct-to-disk  
*recording system)...not easy to do on the Indigo.
*

Hmm... Then what's this Multitrack program (and TidalWave and Soundeditor)
I've been using.  Coulda fooled me ;-).

As it turns out, the R3000 is no slouch at signal processing, and is also
much easier to program.  Further, MIPS CPU upgrades are coming at a faster 
pace than 56K upgrades.  

Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com> | Election '92: a 250 million way tie for last.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mallorna@cs.aston.ac.uk (NA MALLORY,,,,universe(ucb))
Subject: Q: PC Software for CM-32 L
Reply-To: mallorna@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:33:48 GMT

Hi
  I have a 286 with an MPU-401 MIDI interface connected to a ROLAND CM-32 L module.
What I need is some info on sequencing and voice editing software ( both in the 
same package if possible ).My funds at present are limited and would like software
that is obtainable in the UK.

			Cheers.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: toby@cooper!osd (Toby A David)
Subject: Oberheim Strummer, Dat portable
Keywords: Experience/Opinions
Organization: Online Systems Development ( NY, NY)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:26:26 GMT



Hi Midi Mavins

Could Somebody With An Oberheim Strummer (or experience with one)
Please Give An Opinion On it's quality.
I am Running a Midi Setup From a Voyetra Seq Plus using a K1 as a
controller, Modules include Sound Canvas, Proteus 2, and Kurzweil Pro 1
I can fake guitar strums (voicings) by editing the durations and midi
data. However it's a long process, and becomes quite clinical.
The strummer looks good on paper, not havinh a chance to hear one,
I'd very much appreciate an opinion (can I reord it's midi output
into the sequencer and later send that to the module, or can it only
be used betwwen keyboard/seq and module. Also any other opinions as
to voicings/durations midi control etc.

Also any opinions on the Dat Portables (tascam, casio). Is there
a resonably priced portable (don't care about mic preamps) that can
record from analogue at 44 sample rate
Thanks In advance..

Toby A David
From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Arp Omni question
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:38:33 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have an Arp Omni. I have had it for awhile but have never tried to sequence 
it with other cv synths.  I was told that because of the type of synthesis
employed, the Omni cannot be sequenced.  Does anyone know how I could sequence
it?  Also, I have scematics to the Omni and have fixed it several times, they
break down alot, so if anyone needs help, I can answer repair quwestions.

Thank you.

Jonathan Disegi Boston university (jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
From: billw@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (William P. White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: EML 101?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:14:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkux1.1992Nov12.161419.2349
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

Does anyone out there want to sell their EML 101 synth?

I will pay a fair price for one in good shape (electronically).

Send E-mail to:   billw@utkux1.utk.edu.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: adcg9841@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (flannelman)
Subject: Drum machine opinions? LinnDrum? Korg DD-1?
Summary: what do you think of older drum machines?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:25:40 GMT
Keywords: drum machines midi

Ok, I'm really getting tired of the sounds and the stupid squishy buttons
on my HR-16.  I've run accross a few older drum machines, used or in pawn
shops: a LinnDrum, a Korg DD-1, an Oberheim DX.  Each is going for around
$200 (hopefully less).  Lack of MIDI is not such a big deal with me, as long
as the box will sync up with my DSX/OB-8 rig and/or jive with the tape sync
of the HR-16 (assuming i hold onto it).

What do you think of these beasts?  In particular, do the sounds on these 
machines get old really fast?  What about the sync possibilities mentioned
above?  Is the sampling on the DD-1 decent (i didn't get the specs on 
resolution and sampe rate)?  Are there any new drum machines out that have
character?  (i.e., they don't just sound like the same old pop stuff rehashed)

Alternatively, how about pc software for drum-pattern editing (using a D4 for
sounds, for example)??  On first glace, WinCake didn't seem to be great in
this respect.

I greatly appreciate your opinions on these things.

	Adam
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth