HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Are these items irretrievably lost?
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:47:30 GMT

Due to a problem with directory protection on our system, a few
entries such as the following were logged in UUCP's LOGFILE:

root uupsi (12/30-9:17-1341) REQUESTED (S D.uupsiBgXM2 D.uupsiSgXM2 daemon)
daemon uupsi (12/30-9:17-1341) COPY (FAILED)
daemon uupsi (12/30-9:17-1341) REQUESTED (S D.uupsiXgXM0 X.uupsiAgXM3 daemon)
daemon uupsi (12/30-9:17-1341) COPY (FAILED)

Being not very experienced with uucp, I don't know if the above means
that these items were lost, or ended up being retransmitted.  Did our
side acknowledge receipt such that the sender system was satisfied and
discarded these items, or did our system send a NAK and were these
items then resent using a different ID?  We're running Ultrix 4.2.

Any info would be appreciated.  Please reply via email, as our
newsfeed is a bit shaky at the moment.


		Thanks,
			- Steve -
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From: Richard.Gullo@f132.n324.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Gullo)
Sender: UUCP@e-tech.havr.ma.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Mixed format addresses
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:17:00

Friday December 25 1992, Tom Fitzgerald writes to All:

 TF> From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
 TF> Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
 TF> Subject: Mixed format addresses
 TF> Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
 TF> <+j4NrAsCBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:24:24
GMT
 TF>
 TF> djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel) writes:
 TF>
 TF>
 TF>  We'll be lucky if the .MIL sites have finally
 TF> gotten away from the damned HOSTS.TXT by 2000, and that was decided
years
 TF> ago.

    Is this the military sites? Change them? Nahhhh. :)

Regards.....Rich
InterNet=Richard.Gullo@e-tech.havr.ma.us

Xref: sparky comp.mail.uucp:2428 comp.mail.misc:4095
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 20:37:05 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <e539VB6w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
>For what it's worth, I've come across the same problem, mailer software
>querying DNS on host.UUCP, on several "Internet" hosts.  If we accept
>the statement (from more than one participant on these newsgroups) that
>.UUCP is INVALID (typically shouted, as if that would make it somehow
>more logical), the Internet hosts surely have no business in querying
>DNS for that domain, yes?

I wouldn't say that ".UUCP" is invalid.  But I would agree that Internet
hosts have no business querying the DNS for whatever.uucp.

>We likely all agree on that one.  But, how do we make that information
>common knowledge?

I guessed it was common knowledge among "larger" (whatever that means)
internet sites.  Or at least the well-behaved ones.  If for no other
reason than to reduce traffic to the root nameservers (gee, wouldn't
it be nice if BIND cached negative information like "UUCP. -- unknown
domain".)

If this (not querying *.UUCP) is not well known, comp.mail[.something]
would be the appropriate forum to discuss it, surely?
Although perhaps using a different Subject might help. :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions
From: ajudge@maths.tcd.ie (Alan Judge)
Subject: Re: DNS name servers
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:13:39 GMT

larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>We are using a cached name server (it works fine, and it appears
>that as the machine is up and running for a couple of days, it
>really gets faster since I assume the name to IP addresses are
>in the cache verses requiring a lookup via the DNS - does anyone
>know of a good book that explains how and why this works? and what
>would be required to run a complete namesever locally).

*The* book on DNS is DNS and BIND, by Albitz and Liu, recently
published by O'Reilly and Associates.  ISBN 1-56592-010-4

It explains everything you could want to know about DNS.
-- 
Alan Judge   ajudge@maths.tcd.ie  a.k.a. amjudge@dsg.cs.tcd.ie +353-1-7021782

"The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devils' own herd."
                                          -- Edmund Blackadder II
Xref: sparky comp.mail.uucp:2492 comp.mail.misc:4204
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 09:44:58 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett) writes:

>.UUCP is not a valid top-level domain.

... as far as The Internet is concerned.

>The DNS is the Internet's official name registry.

which also has information about non-Internet mail addresses, where
the owners of those addresses have wanted hosts on The Internet to be
able to send mail to them.  If I didn't know anything about it, I
would assume that the "Internet's official name registry" is some
thing which only contains information about Internet hosts.

The Internet is a network which uses DNS to decide what mail is sent
where.  The UUCP network (whatever it's called) uses the UUCP maps.
Within their networks, these are both valid.

The reasons UUCP only sites should care what is in the DNS are:
 * The Internet is better inter-connected (more of a "backbone").
 * The DNS is designed to handle foreign networks/domains/hosts
   where the UUCP maps are not (they can be added, ad hoc, but
   they don't "fit" in a nice way).

As a matter of interest, some Internet only sites do care what's
in the UUCP maps.  For instance, in Australia, due to the earlier
success of ACSnet, the largest UUCP network in the country (as far
as I can tell) is APANA with about 50 nodes.  Yet the UUCP maps
for Australia (which include about 20% of APANA) are about 60k.
My guess is about 20% of those nodes would talk UUCP externally.

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aka: djk@boombox.apana.org.au, djk@cs.mu.oz.au.  Formerly: djk@bby.com.au.
From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: The UUCP network hasn't a tree structure (for some strange unexplained reason, was Re: Mixed format addresses)
Date: Sat,  2 Jan 93 08:41:15 +0100

From article <1993Jan2.002604.568@blilly.UUCP>, by bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly):
> In article <1944@frackit.UUCP> (posted to comp.mail.uucp) dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) wrote:
>>
>>Well, we DO have 'leaf' sites... :)
> 
> The existence of leaves does not imply a tree structure.
> 
> Repeat after me: All crows are black...

Bruce-  See that little symbol at the end of the line about leaf sites?
        It's called a 'smiley,' and is used to telegraph the fact to 
        readers of the message it appears on that the foregoing is not
        to be taken seriously. .  .   .    .     .

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Top level domains (was Re: Mixed format addresses)
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:43:03 GMT
	<KENJI.92Dec18132856@daemun.rcac.astem.or.jp>
	<xbe1Hq_5cb@atlantis.psu.edu> <MUV93JB@heaven7.in-berlin.de>
	<BzsMop.423@wang.com> <6IcPrAtMBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au>
Organization: ASCI

In article <6IcPrAtMBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au> djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel) writes:

[...]
   Of course not.  Wang is in the same boat as Sun, DEC, IBM, HP, Kodak
   and probably a whole bunch of others I don't know about in Aus.

   EDU is a simpler case -- I assume there are no (or very few) Uni's 
   or equivalent which span national boundaries.  But there would need
   to be separate COM. and COM.US. if this reorganisation were to happen.

   And GOV should theoretically be used by the UN (or whatever else claims
   to be a World Government) rather than being monopolised by the USA.

[...]

   The COM. and ORG. should (if we could redesign the name space) be
   reserved for international organisations.  As for Mars, Luna, etc,
   I don't see why they can't be allocated an ISO Country code (or more
   than one if they have multiple governments) and treated the same as
   an island (say AU).  I guess there could also be a SP. domain for
   things "in space" if there are ever enough that don't belong in
   nasa.gov or whatever.su et al.

From RFC 1836: The US Domain:

     1.2  Top-Level Domains

   The top-level domains in the DNS are EDU, COM, GOV, MIL, ORG, INT,
   and NET, and all the 2-letter country codes from the list of
   countries in ISO-3166.

   Even though the intention was that any educational institution any
   where in the world could be registered under the EDU domain, in
   practice it has turned out with few exceptions only those in the
   United States have registered under EDU, similiary with COM (for
   commercial). In other countries, everything is registered under the
   2-letter country code, often with some subdivision.  For example, in
   Korea (KR) the second level names are AC for academic community, CO
   for commercial, GO for government, and RE for research.  However each
   country may go it's own way about organizing its domain, and many
   have.

   Their (sic) are no plans of putting all of the organizational domains .EDU
    .GOV .COM etc., under .US.


Bob
Xref: sparky comp.mail.uucp:2450 comp.mail.sendmail:3079 comp.unix.questions:15009
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: DNS name servers
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:26:23
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Distribution: world
	<Bzz5rF.Huq@news.iastate.edu> <AEJ.92Dec28110408@manyjars.WPI.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: aej@manyjars.WPI.EDU's message of 28 Dec 92 16:04:08 GMT

>> [...] there are mucho memory leaks in named concerning hesiod.  [...]

Can you send me a test suite that shows these?  I'm getting 4.9 ready to
ship, and if there are any remaining memory bugs I can't find them.  (There
were several back in 4.8.3, all fixed for 4.9 -- as far as I know).
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,biz.sco.general,twg.sco-list
From: chare@unilabs.uucp (Chris Hare)
Subject: Re: Trouble configuring UUCP on TCP/IP
Keywords: sco uucp tcp/ip
Organization: UniLabs Research Group, Ottawa Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:56:49 GMT

In article <2808@twg.bc.ca> bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin) writes:
>
>I am having trouble configuring UUCP to use the TCP/IP network as
>its "device".  I have two systems, both running SCO UNIX 3.2.4,

I went through this recently.  this is what you need to do.

In Devices, create an entry which reads

TCP TCP,e	-	Any	TCP	540

Note:  this instructs uucp to use the 'e' protocol, and to connect on port
540.

>instead of "ACU".  After making this change I am told that this
>device is not available.  This leads me to making an entry in the
>Devices file for the "TCU" device.  The examples are not clear on
>what to put in each field of this entry and the trial & error
>approach is getting tedious.
>
In the Systems file define the entry as 

# UUCP via TCP/IP
uunet.ca Any TCP,e Any - ogin: userid word: password

>What I would like is to be able to configure both systems so that
>the UUCP programs will work between them, using the TCP/IP
>network instead of a modem line.  I know this is easy, once you
>have figured out how to do it! 8^)

BTW, don't forget to uncomment the line in /etc/inetd.conf for uucpd on
both systems.

Regards


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Just a mild-mannered consultant by day ....
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions
From: jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco)
Subject: Re: DNS name servers
Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:13:38 GMT

In comp.mail.uucp article <Bzx9r5.FDo@gator.use.com>, larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) wrote:
:We are using a cached name server (it works fine, and it appears
:that as the machine is up and running for a couple of days, it
:really gets faster since I assume the name to IP addresses are
:in the cache verses requiring a lookup via the DNS - does anyone
:know of a good book that explains how and why this works? and what
:would be required to run a complete namesever locally).

How and why this works?  Simple.  The following is a broad, simplistic
explanation because I'm too tired to give a precise technical explanation.
I have yet to see an excellent book on this, but I do suggest you read the
BIND Operations Guide (?) supplied with the Berkeley nameserver.  It and
the RFC's were what I learned nameserver operations from.

Nameserver records get served out with "maximum time to live" fields (I
don't have the DNS documents here, so I can't give you the politically
correct term).  Any client (including other nameservers) which receives that
data may assume the data will be valid for at least the specified interval,
which varies from site to site.

Since you're using a nameserver with a cache, it saves all requests that it
has had to resolve to the cache.  Resolving a name is an "expensive"
operation, often involving several other servers.  The savings in time
offered by the cache is great compared to the relatively tiny overhead of
RAM and time to cache it.  When the data outlives it's "max time to live",
it is deleted from the cache.  The implementation is outlined in RFC's in
mindnumbing detail.

Now I'm not quite sure what you're asking for when you want to know what is
required to run a "complete" nameserver.  A cache-only nameserver is only
really useful in an environment requiring a lot of name resolution, or where
connecting to other nameservers is "expensive".  There is no way to make
this kind of operation any more "complete" than it already is, since the DNS
is a huge distributed database.  You can make the nameserver authoritative
for a domain, in which case it's no longer a cache-only server, but this is
a human distinction since the nameserver itself doesn't really care either
way - whether or not it has data for which it is authoritative, it will
cache other data, and that is the most you can really do with data that you
don't have authority over.

So I am confused as to what you are asking.  Clarify?

... Joe

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From: robsonc@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (65535)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Getting a UUCP Connection
Summary: How is it done!
Keywords: UUCP
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1i501kINNjs4
Distribution: world
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

Hello,
	I have been looking. And unable to find ANY Infomation on getting
a uucp address. Is there a FAQ out there that explains how the process is done?
If so you could some body please mail it to me. Or a FTP Site that has it. Or A
news group that it is Posted in? Or post it here for other people that want
to get UUCP Connections. Thanks

-Chris Robson
robsonc@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Top level domains (was Re: Mixed format addresses)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 09:48:26 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <BzsMop.423@wang.com> fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
>djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel) writes:

>> Myself,
>> I'd love to see all the USA Universities move to .edu.us and the USA
>> only companies (ie: not sun.com, hp.com, etc) move to .com.us, but I
>> don't see it happening.

>It won't.  For one thing, the .org, .com etc. domains, which everyone
>assumes are all US organizations, in fact contain a bunch of non-US
>organizations that don't want to register under their national domain.

I know this, that's why I said "USA only companies".

>Several of Wang's foreign subsidiaries are under <country>.wang.com; this
>is fine, but I'd hate to have to move them to <country>.wang.com.us.

Of course not.  Wang is in the same boat as Sun, DEC, IBM, HP, Kodak
and probably a whole bunch of others I don't know about in Aus.

EDU is a simpler case -- I assume there are no (or very few) Uni's 
or equivalent which span national boundaries.  But there would need
to be separate COM. and COM.US. if this reorganisation were to happen.

And GOV should theoretically be used by the UN (or whatever else claims
to be a World Government) rather than being monopolised by the USA.

>Also, there's no reason to assume that country codes will be at the top of
>the tree forever.  The reorganization in the former .su and .yu is showing
>the defects of country codes very clearly, and it's only a matter of time
>before non-national and non-earthbound organizations get into the act.

The COM. and ORG. should (if we could redesign the name space) be
reserved for international organisations.  As for Mars, Luna, etc,
I don't see why they can't be allocated an ISO Country code (or more
than one if they have multiple governments) and treated the same as
an island (say AU).  I guess there could also be a SP. domain for
things "in space" if there are ever enough that don't belong in
nasa.gov or whatever.su et al.

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aka: djk@boombox.apana.org.au, djk@cs.mu.oz.au.  Formerly: djk@bby.com.au.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.uucp:2478 comp.bbs.waffle:5729
From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The UUCP network hasn't a tree structure (for some strange unexp
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:43:51 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly) writes:

> In article <KEQPrAmGBh107h@boombox.apana.org.au> David.Keegel@apana.org.au wr
> >  Personally, I don't want to update a file every time
> >my feed adds another site, I just want to send everything to my feed.
> >If they don't recognise it, they do the same (as long as there is a
> >"tree" structure, and each node knows all the sites "below" it).
> 
> What makes you think the UUCP network has a tree structure?

I can't speak for other parts of the UUCP network, but my own little
piece of it is an undirected graph.  That is, each link is bi-directional.
And, many of the several sites with which I net have links between one
another, each of which is itself bi-directional.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: UUPC connection, how can it be done
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:44:15 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

Hello all,
I have a 8088 and would like to make a uupc connection, any clue
to a place where I can find the full program to do so?

Thanks,
please reply direcly to either
walter@rain.com or walter@pccvm.bitnet
ZZ
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Metro)
Subject: Re: Getting a UUCP Connection
Keywords: UUCP FAQ README
Organization: Venture Logic, Newton, MA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:58:15 GMT

Chris Robson writes:
> I have been ... unable to find ANY Infomation on getting a uucp address.
> Is there a FAQ out there that explains how the process is done?
Distributed by the same people who manage the UUCP maps is a README 
file. This will explain what you need to know.
 
You should be able to find it occasionally posted to comp.mail.maps, 
or you should be able to ftp it from ftp.uu.net among other sites 
that store the UUCP maps.
 
I was able to find a copy at think.com:/uucp/maps/README.
 
I don't know why this isn't in the FAQ archives at pit-manager.mit.edu.
What is required to have an FAQ archived there?
 
 -Tom

tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
From: kate@ponton.hanse.de (Katharina Baumann)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Help !! (How do i send mail from my .edu account to .com account
Keywords: re help
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:38:29 MEZ
Distribution: world
Organization: Ponton European Media Art Lab, Hamburg

andrea@hydra.unm.edu (V.K.) writes:

> I am desperately trying to contact a person at at&t with his email address en
> 
> 	Any replies would be greatly appreciated...........!!
> 

Hi Andrea,

in my opinion no big problem at all. 
Just type the adress of the guy you want to contact as
any other adress on the "edu.net".
E.G.: otherguy@elsewhere.edu (if he's on your part of the net)
or:   otherguy@anywhere.com  (the equivalent for com)

Hope this helps out and a happy new year.

kate


---
kate@ponton.hanse.de                -> Katharina Baumann
 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Greg Holdren)
Subject: UUCP with Telegaurd 2.7
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:00:46 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


I'm currently receiving echo mail with Telegaurd v2.7 on a IBM PC.
What I would like to do is get mail via the internet using UUCP.
Any suggestions on the software that is required. Is There a FAQ
for this news group that has this info in it. THANKS MUCH

TNX
Greg Holdren
gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com