HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: faraullo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (THE BIG "F")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: System in ROM and other things...
Keywords: ROM System 7 6.0.7
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:01:17 GMT

With regards to the System being burned into the ROMS: as I
understand it, Apple wants to shy away from massive system rewrites
to incorporate new features, such as Quicktime, and leave them as
extentions for the user to put in as he wishes. Rewrites will tend
torwards system debugging and maybe optimatzation, and so
(hopefully) the Systems being placed in ROM will not require massive
rewrites, as is now the trend; rather we'd just toss a little TuneUp
into the Extention Folder when necessary. (Hey, this is just bits
and pieces I put together from reading MacWeek, MacWorld, MacUser,
and InfoWorld; I could be very wrong on it).

Now, as for this massive flame war for System 7 verus System 6: I
think both have their uses, and I figure that although System 7 has
more features than System 6, that doesn't translate to "better".
This is the kind of mentality that has befuddled the modern car
industry: I look for firms statistics, and people point out the
friggin pull out cup holder! I currently use System 7, mainly
because people regard me as some kind of "Mac guru" and since they
have System 7, I use it to be familar with their problems. (I'm
human, damn it; I have a dead hard drive to prove it!! ;)

But I stalled on getting System 7 for a while, mainly because I
wanted to wait til the vanishing folder problem was solved; I know
not many people got the problem, but the only other guy I know who
has a IIsi had that problem, and he wasted 2 weeks with the service
reps trying to fix it, and I didn't feel that anxious anyway. 
I guess my point is that I think all these flames regarding the
system changes are pointless. I had just as many crashes under
System 6 as with System 7, and about the same success under recovery
with the almighty MacBugs. I don't think the actual utility of the
computer would go down if I went back, and I honestly wouldn't
complain if I was asked to go back. Hell, I think System 6 and
System 7 each beat out most of the other OSs out there, and I have
no regrets whatsoever with buying my IIsi.

Frank Araullo
UCSD
faraullo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

"Yes, I'm too poor to have a cool signature at the end of my
postings."   Frank Araullo


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: jackr@dblues.wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Subject: Re: My Mac no longer plays sounds!  Any suggestions?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
	<1992Aug20.193024.18690@das.harvard.edu>
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:44:14

In article <1992Aug20.193024.18690@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

   This is most definitely not the only solution, but it CAN be fixed
   pretty quickly by manufacturers/repair groups... if it's still
   under warranty, this is your best and safest bet...

Elsewise, give it a good whack on the left side of the cabinet.  Not
only works, it's tremendously gratifying!



Jack Repenning			1L-875	     jackr@wpd.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics, Inc.		            Off:(415) 390-3027
Enabling Systems Technology Center	    Fax:(415) 969-2314
From: aheisey@next.com (Andy Heisey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Auto Cad anyone?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: Andy_Heisey@next.com
Distribution: ca

Anyone running auto-cad on their Mac out there, mechanical or architectural?
What system are you using? (ram, disk, etc.),plotter?, printer?
Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Thx, Andy
From: df2tg2n@ties.bell-atl.com (Steve Rosen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Question on IIsi Cache Card
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:27:15 GMT
Reply-To: df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com
Organization: Bell Atlantic - Phila, PA

I am having a problem getting the software for a IIsi cache card (from
TechWorks) to work at all.  The company says the software is only to turn
the cache card off.

They tell me that the card is on by default when I boot, but I have no way
to really confirm this.  Does this make sense and is it true for other
brands of cache card?

This is a new product and I am suspicious, the company will not acknowledge
any problem.  I received a replacement board and software, but no change. 
Any ideas?

-- 
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                                  1717 Arch Street (6S2), Phila., PA 19103
   Phone Numbers: W (215)466-2061, FAX (215)563-0517, H (215)465-5334
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From: jmale@uranie.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PostScript
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: jmale@cosinus.inria.fr
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis

In article <lwwarpup.714781331@vela>, lwwarpup@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Lonnie W. Warpup) writes:
L.W.Warpup|>     Is there any way to print postscript images with a non-postscript
L.W.Warpup|>     printer?  I own a LaserWriter LS and have noticed that the PD drawing
L.W.Warpup|>     programs print real cruddy images and that documents with embedded
L.W.Warpup|>     images are really choppy when printed.  I have seen great graphics used
L.W.Warpup|>     with programs like Excel 4.0, but when it comes to simple freehand
L.W.Warpup|>     drawing, it draws with BLOCKS!

L.W.Warpup|>     I'm sure this goes to say that "if I wanted good quality printing, I
L.W.Warpup|>     should have bought a PostScript printer", but are there any other
L.W.Warpup|>     options for me?

		 Yes, sure. You just have to write a filter that converts
		 PostScript to LaserWriter LS instructions.

-- 

  
	Jean-Michel MALE'		\\\\\
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	INRIA, Projet SINUS,		  <  )
	Centre de Sophia-Antipolis	  \/
	06565 Valbonne (FRANCE)

	Email: jmale@mirsa.inria.fr



(Mort aux vaches !)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: ewright is full of Bull.....
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:12:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <92241.100910REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Jeffrey C. Andle writes:

>     So, Unless E. Wright starts throwing facts & figures instead of
>juvenile temper tantrums and personal slurs (which, unlike this one,
>are unfounded) I, for one, will not even read his posts.  I encourage
>others to do the same and save this debate from a lot of hot air.

Well, now, isn't that special.  Yes, Mr. Andle, your title shows
just how mature and reasoned your opinion is.  I will, however,
do as you suggest and put an end to all this "hot air."  I believe
that it is a violation of Internet rules to post email messages
without the writer's knowledge and permission.  So, can anyone
tell me how I go about getting this infant kicked off the net?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)
Subject: Managing Clip-Art Archives
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:38:18 GMT

I have a small collection of clip-art and I'm trying to figure out a good
way
to store it so I can efficiently search it when I need a particular image.
I've seen clip-art archived in a variety of formats, from paint files to 
Hypercard stacks.

Does anyone have favourite methods/applications for doing this?

Chris Ellens
ellens@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: First Taligent Won't Run Existing Apps
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:16:29 GMT

someone in this thread asked:
> >>Symmetric Multi-Processing?  
> 
> >I'm not even sure what this is.  If it's anything more than
> >marketing speak, I'd like to hear more.

I just had this explained to me a few days ago, so here's the scoop on  
"symetric" multi-processing.

Multi-processing means you have more than one CPU.  Some versions of  
operating systems support multiple processors by partitioning the work  
between them.  To, for instance, have one processor handle all I/O requests  
while a second one does all number-crunching.

Symetric multi-processing means all CPU's are interchangable.  There is no  
partitioning of the work, whichever CPU is available will do whatever work  
which is waiting for some CPU time.

Corrections welcome...

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: ljwilson@utkux1.utk.edu (L. Jack Wilson)
Subject: Needed:  Virtual screen navigator for Mac IIci
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:44:41 GMT

I have a user with a Mac IIci and a 16" Apple color monitor.
Unfortunately, he is trying to run a program that was written
specifically for a larger monitor, namely either the 19" or 21"
variety.  The problem: the program in question doesn't "fit" on the 16"
screen.  Can anyone recommend a program that would run under System
7.01, and allow the entire program to be seen, either by shrinking the
program's display, or virtualizing the screen so that moving the mouse
to the edge would scroll the viewing area in the appropriate
direction?

I've looked at sumex-aim.stanford.edu, and haven't found anything
workable.  Thanks.
-- 
Who:    L. Jack Wilson
What:   UTK OAC Microsupport
Where:  ljwilson@utkux1.utk.edu
Why:    Standard Disclaimer fits nicely here.
From: collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Where to get floppies cheap?
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:35:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:

>I've used a variety of diskettes from a variety of sources and the media
>produced by 3M, Sony, BASF, and Verbatim have yet to format with bad
>sectors for me.  In contrast the DSDD 3.5" diskettes I bought from
>MEI in 1990 (my last experience with the company) had about 1 disk in
>10 refuse to format correctly (no bad sectors) or "go bad" after a month
>of use.  That 1 in 10 figure is unscientific, but I had a stack of about 6
>bad diskettes out of a 50 diskette order.

I agree.  I used to use bargain basement 5.25" disks on my Apple II with
no problems.  When I went to 3.5" DD, I also used generics and get less
reliability but the failure rate was low enough for me not to notice.  When
I got high density with my SE/030, I ordered a bunch of 3.5" HD from MEI
and about 10/50 failed, either on the format or later when I tried to 
retrieve data.  I also found that HD disks, and especially te MEI HD disks
are more sensitive to dropping and impacts (ie, a bad block will show up
after I drop it).  Plus HD disks are slower so I generally still use 800k's
if possible.  I use Sony's from price club.
From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:29:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug27.202922.13039
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


>I had to correct this.  IBM has NEVER   NEVER charged for upgrades to
>OS/2.  And according to IBM officials they never will.  
>If you bought version 1.0 then you can upgrade to version 2.x free.

IBM may charge for future upgrades to OS/2, their policy isn't set yet. 
The reason that all upgrades have been free up to now is that they are
a very customer oriented company, and until they get a product out to a     
customer that is worth the customers money, they'll fix it.  With OS/2 2.0
they did that, the CSD or whatever is going to be free, unlike microsloths
bug fixes, but all future upgrades probably won't be free.

However, OS/2 with WPS beats macs user interface, and offers a nice OS for
the power user.

For more info, follow the OS/2 newsgroups.
-- 
Carl W. Price		 	*      * Work keeps us from three evils:     * 
Computer Engineering Student	*      * boredom, vice, and need.            *
Oregon State University		*      *                                     *
pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu	*      *       ---Voltaire                   *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: grabenst@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Michael Grabenstein; ACS (GUEST))
Subject: Re: How do I reduce SYSTEM file size?
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:37:56 GMT

In article <zaphod-260892164927@gregt.winona.msus.edu> zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.132516.7266@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey
>Brydon (918)250-4312) wrote:
>> 
>> Somehow my SYSTEM file has been expanded beyond usefulness.  I have a Mac IIci
>> with 20 Megs of memory, System 7.0.x.  After running out of memory trying to
>> run a second (!) application, I looked at the Finder info and I see the system
>> is occupying 14+ Megabytes.
>> 
>> I know that with System 6, if you add fonts or DA's the system file expands to
>> contain these and does not shrink back when you remove them again.  Is this
>> the case with System 7 as well (ie. with fonts and sounds)?  How do I get a
>> 'reasonable' size System file back again?
>

	You have 20M of RAM?? You realize that if you do not
have 32-bit mode turned on in the control panels you run in
24-bit mode. 24 bit mode can only access 8M of ram so the 
size of the system file plus any ram above the 8M limit
is combined inthe about this macintosh.
	Turn on 32-bit mode and you will have full access of
all of your ram. Note that not all applications run in 32-bit 
mode, but these are becoming so few... and if the version is
recent it should be fine.

Later,
	Mike
	ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re:Re MACS COSTS TOO MUCH (NOT!) - An Analogy
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:48:08 GMT


In <DAN.92Aug29102559@s3camel.scubed.com>, dan@s3camel.scubed.com (Dan Peterka)
writes:

>>I've been following this discussion for some good yuks. I handle a
>>mixed environment of computers where I work and have been invovled in
>>my fair share of these "debates". What I have found works well in
>>getting my view across is an analogy about someone wanting to build a
>>wall. In this analogy, the wall represents the act of acquiring a
>>computer system that is versatile, powerful, and does what you want it
>>to do. The hardware and software required to build this system are
>>analogous to the building materials for the wall.
	
	[analogy deleted]

	Dan, that was a great analogy! I enjoyed reading this immensely! With 
your permission, I would like to use it when I'm involved in one of those 
religous arguments around here (universities are GREAT places for arguments!). 
I'm also impressed by the positivity and creativity of this post, as opposed to
some I've read regarding this thread.... 

>>As for performance? Hell, it's only a wall. If it does what you want,
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>costs what you can afford, and makes you happy, who cares what the
>>others think?

	Right on !!  :^) 

Norm Neil
G5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: StuffIt SpaceSaver corrupt my files...
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:31:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Sounds like Bob didn't install the latest Stuffit, nor Space Saver on
his Powerbook. I'm not sure if copying a Space Saver'd file over a
network produces an expanded version, but one certainly wouldn't be
able to run it on the IIci from another system (on the Powerbook) that
doesn't have the expansion capability installed. It's unreasonable to
expect that the old version of Stuffit would know about the new
Space Saver format.
From: knapp@cs.purdue.EDU (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Quickeys 2.1
Keywords: Macros
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:52:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article <whitmore.714765117@pv343d.vincent.iastate.edu> whitmore@iastate.edu (Kurt D Whitmore) writes:
>In <l9kknlINNobu@aludra.usc.edu> jenks@usc.edu (Stephen Jenks) writes:

>>So I'm asking:
>>	Do you like Quickeys?
>>and	What do you use it for that makes it indispensible in your life?


>IT WILL BE THE BEST 90 BUCKS YOU HAVE EVER SPENT.

Careful! QK 2 has a severe limitation in that it handles only the
first ten applications. So let's say you run Finder, CEIAC (comes with
QK), DarkSide, Applicon, Remember, MacLoad, Downline, DiskStatus, and
a couple of others in the background, them QK will refuse to work for
anything else.

According to CE tech support, this limit is hard coded into QK and
requires a complete rewrite to eliminate. What's even better, this
limitation is mentioned nowhere in the docs (I first thought I had a
conflict).

It's lost a lot of its usefulness for me, exactly for that reason.

Edgar

(knapp@cs.purdue.edu)
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From: fullerto@tuna.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: New stylewriter driver
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:57:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Sep3.165706.5861
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science


	I just downloaded 6.0.8 to run the newer StyleWriter driver. 
Unfortunately, the driver was not included in the printing tools.
Does anyone have any ideas on from where I can ftp the driver?

		Thanks,

			this account is in jeopardy, so please reply to

				75720.142@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:54:53 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug28.063440.28863@CS.ORST.EDU> pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne) writes:

>Strange, my PC has a memory limit of 4GB without any of the expanded et al.
>BS.  

You said it.  BS indeed.  The PC has a memory limit of 640 kilobytes.  
Not megabytes, *kilobytes*.  Memory beyond that barrier cannot be
addressed without resorting to tricks such as those used by Microsoft
Windows.  Tricks that don't always work, which is why Ventura Publisher
for Windows, for example, cannot multitask with any other Windows program
no matter how much physical or virtual memory you have installed.  If you
don't believe me, just call Ventura technical support and *ask*.

>You Should check out the PC world, much has and is happening (the
>great thing about competition).

Look, kid, I've already stated this several times, but 
since you obviously have trouble reading, I'll state it
again, in capital letters just for you: I AM TYPING THIS
ON A PC.  I USE A PC EIGHT HOURS A DAY -- MORE THAN I USE
THE MAC.  I don't need to "check out the PC world," I am
already more familiar with it than I really care to be,
probably more familiar with it than most people here, and
obviously a hell of a lot more familar than you.
From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:06:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug28.200635.18533
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


>>It seems to me there are certain fanatical persons who starts jumping up 
>>and down frothing at the mouth everytime someone makes an uncomplimentary 
>>comment on his Favorite Machine (even if those comments were right),

>It seems to me there are certain fanatical persons who dote on PCs and
>are so obsessed with proving that "Macs cost too much" that they must
>do so at every oportunity.  Let me point out that no one here is posting
>"PCs cost too much" articles in comp.sys.ibm.pc, although I am tempted
>to start.  Yet people who don't even *own* Macs, and certainly don't
>know much about them, are posting flames here just for the purile pleasure 
>of peeing on someone else's tree.  You say you're very busy with school
>work, but you have time to follow a thread in a newsgroup devoted to a
>machine you don't own, use, or even like, and email out flames of your
>own?  That sounds pretty fanatical to me.

You've probably seen my sig at the bottom of a lot of posts to this 
subject.  Let  me clear something up.  I *do* own a Mac (IIci) and I 
do know about them.  But I also *own* a PC and a UNIX box.  I read this
thread for a while just shaking my head, but finally the blatent falsehoods
being spewed out from people about PCs got to me.  I try to clear the air
but sometimes I go off, why?  Because I like to see people informed, not
told to avoid something because someone who doesn't know jack says to.
Sorry if I flame sometimes, I usually try to just inform, but I am human.

--Carl

-- 
Carl W. Price		 	*      * Work keeps us from three evils:     * 
Computer Engineering Student	*      * boredom, vice, and need.            *
Oregon State University		*      *                                     *
pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu	*      *       ---Voltaire                   *
From: majors@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Majors)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Mac+ intermittent on/off screen; bad clock
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:21:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.152111.8419
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I have a Macintosh Plus whose screen has started to go black.  It
usually boots up black.  I've been able to get it to go
on, or flicker on temporarily by moving the SCSI cable, or tilting 
the monitor/cpu about 45 degrees to either side, or by _lightly_
torqueing the unit, or by lightly tapping on the (right) side of it,
or by inserting a disc, or, as I've recently discovered, by simply
waiting for maybe 5 minutes, although if the unit gets moved (if
the table it sits on moves much), it will sometimes retreat to black.
I've been told it might be a bad solder joint, and that I could have
a technician check the solder on the board and put some new solder on.
A couple of other things that have occured: the clock seems to change
randomly from day to day, and when I'm in a program, the warning beep
(i.e., accompanying dialog boxes like "...do you want to save?") is
very weak, although from the control panel (I'm running 6.0.5), the 
beep is fine.  I'm running with 2MB, and memory is not a problem for the
programs I run, like Excel.  Any ideas, please reply direct. thanks
-Bob   majors@u.washington.edu