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From: dalisay@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Reynaldo S Dalisay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:00:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <ku7l3jINNqrg@girtab.usc.edu> esperanz@girtab.usc.edu (Michelle Esperanza) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.183651.1@woods.ulowell.edu> perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>	What really pisses me off, (I might be flamed for this) is the
>>fact that those 'nationalist' in the senate, not ratifying the bases
>>agreement.  For all intents and purposes threw thousands of lives into
>>uncertainty.  Are they going to make up for the loss of these people?
>>Heck no, they're just going to recommend that everyone go find a job,
>>say in the Middle East, and take whatever abuse and humiliation that
>>comes with it.  And is our government protecting those people out there?
>>Is this a choice of two evils?
>>
>>Carlos  
>
>I think the idea behind not ratifying the bases agreement is AUTONOMY -- i.e., 
>even though the Philippines has technically been independent of the U.S. since 1946 (1945?), they were still dependent on the money and "protection" they got 
>from hosting the U.S. military (now I might get flamed for this -- and I, a
>military brat to boot, grew up going to the Navy Commissary in San Diego!  No 
>doubt the gov't is watching me as we speak.).
>
>Certainly the Philippines would like to encourage foreign investment of a, 
>perhaps, less political nature, especially from Japan; of course, the U.S. 
>is not happy about Japanese investment RP, since this would mean an increase
>in Japanese influence (and not American) in RP.


AUTONOMY?  Yes, that maybe one cause for not renewing the bases
agreement, but I think that there's a greater interest catching the
politicians' eyes.  It wouldn't have been a good political move for
them to make thousands lose their jobs.

I think the politicians have in mind bringing in other investors to
use the facilities.  From what I hear, the Philippines is deciding on
either Taiwan or Japan to take over the shipyard, and those countries
would be willing to pay more to keep the facilities going (and more of
it in cash, instead of useless hunks of obsolete machinery).  The
Philippines should still benefit.  So what if the U.S. wouldn't be
happy?  They're not the ones losing their livelihoods.

What the PI really needs, though, is a total crackdown on corruption
and mismanagement.  All I've seen so far is filthy-rich families
succeeding each other for control, gaining support by using the common
platforms of peace, reform, and prosperity.  RP politicians (and for
that matter all other politicians) should remind themselves of their duties
as elected officials and start thinking about the people instead of
themselves and their cronies.


Reynaldo S. Dalisay
dalisay@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 21:56:07 CDT
From: George `Wooster' Wu <U21952@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: TEST

In article <92100.011721U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>JUST A FILIPINO GUY TESTING TO SEE IF HE CAN POST SOMETHING.  THANX.

  Hey you piece of sh$#, don't waste our time reading your damn testing because
 we don't think it's very funny. Next time you want to test a post, get your ha
nd off your dick and ask someone you little worm. Expect to be flamed if you do
n't know how to post you..you..you...Mr. Bad Person!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: teej@aix.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.)
Subject: Filipino Deaths in the Fil_american Conflict
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: soc.culture.filipino
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:39:37 GMT

This topic was discussed earlier way back in 1990.

The estimates of deaths in the Filipino -American War 
from 1899-1902 were as follows:

US :  7,000 killed ( of which approx. 4500 died of diseases
                      and 2500 killed in action)

Filipinos:  16,000 killed in action, 200,000 civilians killed.

Other sources would mention only 4,200 US deaths but the above 
figure includes US troops who were wounded and then died of 
thier wounds after the war was over.

THe casualty rate for the Filipino deaths were estimated by the 
American Military.  There were a total of 4,000 military engagements
during the Filipino-AMerican War.

TO this number must be added the casualties from the Samar Campaign
and the Mindanao Wars (1907 to 1912).

Unfortunatley, I do not have the figures of the Samar campaign (THe 
books were all shipped to the PHilippines).

Estimates of the US troop looses in the MIndanao Campaign are as 
follows:

US:  127 Killed in action, est. 500 died of diseases.

Filipinos:  Approximately, 4000 Muslim Warriors killed in action.
            Civilian deaths were estimated to be 100,000 to 120,000.

I think Ken Ilio's figure of 600,000 Filipino deaths covering the 
Filipino-American War and the Mindanao War might be slighty high but
on the ball park.   

The sources are from the following:

1.  Little Brown Brother, by Leon Wolff
2.  Campaigning in the PHilippines, F. Faust
3.  SOldiers in the SUn, (Forgot the author)
4.  Swish of the Kriss, by Victor Hurley (this is an excellent account
    of the Mindanao Campaign from an American point of view).
5.  Filipino Military Campaigns, by U. Balcagon
6.  In OUr Image, Stanley Karnow
7.  Other periodicals that I managed to xerox but unfortuantely, all
   mailed to the PHilippines.

Hope this helps.

JJ
From: ching@vsattui.llnl.gov (David Ching)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Request for Books by/about Filipino Americans
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:48:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science, at LLNL

Hello There!

I'm compiling a list of books by or about Filipino Americans.


thanks
dave ching
ching@vsattui.llnl.gov
From: alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: NYC Filipino Events Calendar (June 19th & 27th)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:30:57 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm posting this for a friend, Kenny McAndrew, a guitarist and singer.
I know that this is a little early to post, but the promoters of the
event have been billing this as one of the places to be in the NYC
Filipino scene.  Many up and coming, and present-day notables will be
present and it's good way to network and meet Filipino contacts.  As
always, everyone is welcome in a "Tuloy po kayo" manner.  So... if you
live, work or study in the NYC area, or if you will be in NYC on
these dates, don't miss this event. 

interested SCF netters should email me so that we can meet before or
after the event.



        "FILIPINO-HISPANICO-AMERICANO MUSICAL CELEBRATION"

Location:           Club El Morocco
                    307 East 54th Street (bet. 1st & 2nd Aves)
                    New York City

Call for Tickets:   212-535-4573
                    201-491-0359
                    718-457-2623

Show dates:  Friday,   June 19  and
             Saturday, June 27

             Dinner  at  7:00PM,
             Show    at  8:00PM,
             Dancing at 10:00PM to ???.

Admission:   $30 per person.
			 Parking is available.



        "FILIPINO-HISPANICO-AMERICANO MUSICAL CELEBRATION"
                             by
                       Marshall Factora
                            and
                     An International Cast
                
        Featuring:
            *   Filipino-Spanish Traditional and Contemporary 
                Songs and Dances
            *   All Night Dancing at El Morocco
            *   Open Buffet and Cash Bar 
            *   Live Orchestra and New York Latin Dance Music
            *   Spanish-American Fashions, Flamenco and Sevillana
            *   Musical Numbers from "Man of La Mancha," "Evita," and
                "Mambo Kings"
            *   Special Salute to Expo '92 and the Barcelona Summer
                Olympics.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:21:11 GMT


In a previous article, jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada) says:

>Good idea. I applaud JJ's decision to go home and help. I, too, am contemplatingdoing the same. 

	Me too.  Actually I've gone way beyond contemplating.  I am
going home.  For what it's worth, I plan to teach at UP.  The pay isn't
much, but I can do consultancy for business firms and earn a reasonable
living.  (For those who wonder: It has been done.  In fact, many
professors are doing it now.)

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

  THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A closed  | "Only Nixon could visit      | Hi, Mom!
       mouth gathers no foot.    | China." - old Vulcan proverb |
From: tanchoco@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe Tanchoco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Phil Presidential Election
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr11.160822.16484
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

The article below appeared in the March 30/92 issue
of the Philippine Star.
---------------------------------------------------
"Ramos issues manifesto on Filipino overseas.

Lakas EDSA-NUCD presidential aspirant Fidel V. Ramos
in an unprecedented move has issued a manifesto for 
Filipino citizens overseas.

The move was seen by political quarters as a bold move
to enlist the support of more than three million Filipinos
now living and working abroad in the presidential elections.

The Ramos eight-point manifesto tackled issues that
Filipino associations in Europe, the Middle East, US
and elsewhere have been campaigning for, for more that 
a decade.

The manifesto which foreshadows a bold and innovative
approach to the problems of Filipino citizens abroad
includes implementing their constitutional right to vote
as well as the right to representation as a special
sector in Congress.

A Ramos administration would also see a quick passage
of the bill abolishing double taxation.  The latter is
a thorny issue that has alienated thousands of Filipinos
in the US and Europe.

Other issues tackled in the manifesto are opening 
investment opportunities for overseas Filipinos, a review
of dual citizenship, and assistance for both those
who stay abroad and those who opt to return.

Spearheading the Ramos campaign among Filipino
citizens abroad is the London-based Confederation of
Filipino Overseas Organizations (COFOO).

Although former Defense Secretary Ramos already enjoys
immense popularity among the majority of overseas
Filipinos becasue of his role at EDA, this manifesto
will make him their first choice for president this
May, COFOO officers said.

The manifesto shows a coherent program for the 
betterment of overseas Filipino citizens that none
of the other presidential aspirants have put forward,
the group added.

Ramos' program of action for overseas Filipino citizens
has been helped along by his sister, re-electionist Senator
Leticia Ramos-Shahani, who is among the legislators
working diligently for the passage of a bill in Congress
which seeks to do away with double taxation."
----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: perezc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:56:58 GMT

In article <_s4tgkr@rpi.edu>, teej@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) writes:
> Well, all these comments about the image problem of Filipinos were very interesting.
> 
> I will be going back to the Philippines soon as I have passed my doctoral dissertation
> and completed all the requirements for the PhD.   
> 
Let's see now, a little backgrounder naman.  Are you a PhD in one of those 
Techie areas?  Most likely since you're from RPI?

> In all honesty, I must say that I am scared and am preparing myself for the "shock" upon
> returning home.  Life will be very different from here, that`s for sure.  
> 
Well you can always get an academic postions in one of the top 3 universities.
Of course if you're considering UP consider also a salary of $300 a month
for an assistant professor.

> I made this decision because I personally feel that I want to help the country in any way
> I can.  I know that I cannot change the situation back home, but I can sure as hell try 
> my best to do something good for the people.  This is an obligation that I feel personally
> committed to.
Ever considered a post doc position?  I think if you really plan to go home
it's best to prepare yourself here.  Alot of things over here you make take
for granted (i.e. email, s.c.f etc) this amenities will not be available.
Libraries too are famished over there, so start making connections with
people over here who can provided you with the latest information.  If you
are in EE, again make connections with people who can get you the equipment
and supplies you  may need.

My advise is that you plan this well.  Don't just jump back into the fray
like so many have done, hoping that plain hard work will get you places.
It's not going to happen that way and all your efforts will go in vain.
I have heard stories of PhDs coming home and after a few years jumping off
tall buildings.  



> 
> I think that Filipinos here do care about their country and their culture.  It`s a question
> of how far is one willing to go for the benefit of the country.  That can only be answered
> by the person himself/herself.  I  think Filipinos here in the US can be useful in  helping
> our country.  It just needs some coordination and cooperation.
> 
Yes, we graduate students need some coordination and cooperation.  I think
we can actually start something constructive.  I hope there are more 
regular readers out there who would be interested in further exploring
this aspect.  The lines are open...

> Oh Well,  that's my 2 pesos worth of comments.  
> 
> JJ
> .
> 
> 

Which is greater 2 pesos or 2 cents?

Carlos
From: kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: On condoms and Filipino men
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr11.183047.28085
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

This bit of news will surely prick the Filipino male ego ... I'm
sure I will get flamed for this, but what the hell ...

According to a study by the Department of Health on the
acceptability of condoms, the most common complaint against their
use is their size -- they are too big for the average Filipino.
The condoms tested were donated by the United States and the survey
was done in close to 2500 outlets in Metro Manila, Cebu and Davao
back in 1989.  The DOH AIDS prevention and control program said 
that they had to turn down offers by an international agency 
because of this reason.  BTW, the issue would not have been
blown up had not another group made an offer to donate condoms
tailor-made for Asians.

Source:  Philippine Daily Globe Feb 14 1992


-- 
Kenneth Yerro Ilio
Veterinary Biosciences             Life is a foreign language 
University of Illinois at          Every man has mispronounced it. 
  Urbana Champaign                            -- Carlos Bulosan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan)
Subject: Re: *** "FLIP" SURVEY RESULTS ***
Keywords: flip survey results
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:36:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.083802@is.morgan.com> alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu) writes:
>
>what gives?  there *has* to be at least a handful of
>internet sites in the philippines!  if so, can you guys
>post to let the world know that you're alive?
>

	Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as I know, there are
*NO* Internet sites in the Philippines. I went to UP...still no
Internet site there. There was a plan, but so far, nothing has
come out of it. I doubt if any companies are Internet sites either.

	HOWEVER, there is a way to send email to the Philippines,
IF the guy there pays for it. I really don't exactly know how,
but I correspond with a friend who somehow gates it through the
Fidonet BBS network. I'm sure there are other ways, for example
Disini Software (a Manila-West Coast based Mac developer)
used to do it through Apple's AppleLink. Any other guys know of
other ways?
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:41:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1177@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:
>
>I, too, am getting sick and tired of such comments, JJ. Isn't
>it human nature to look for a better life? Most Americans that
>comment like this have little or no concept of hardship and
>poverty.  

Bull.  My grandfather died of cancer because he had to work for sixty
hours a week in the fucking chemical factory to keep his family alive.
And that was only one of his jobs.

>Last night I watched Boyz N the Hood, they depict poverty and 
>the life of the unfortunate, mostly blacks. I look at them and
>see them complain of being poor and yet they can afford cars,
>guns, live in modest homes, etc... I look back at OUR POOR in
>the Philippines, they live in shacks near garbage dumps, they
>wear rags, etc.. they scavenge for food, etc.. totally different
>from the life in South Central Los Angeles. 

Yeah, yeah, that's right--whatever you see in the movies must represent
the truth.  You must be a rocket scientist.  I have not seen this movie,
but in reality, many inner-city youth and rural poor in America go without
any decent food, and are malnourished as well, and can rarely afford 
clothes.  PLEASE ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!

I did not see te original post, as I only drop in on this group, but 
your comments are absurd all by themselves.

>Once again, hate crime and racism is on the rise. Even here in
>"open minded, and laid back" California. This seems to be a trend
>and we need to be aware and wary. This is brought about by the 
>economy and people's frustration with making ends meet and realizing
>their dreams. 

Well, try being a little open minded yourself!  While what you say about
racism being on the rise even here, you'd better examine your own
attitudes but quick.


>/Danny

			Jon
			jon@postgres.berkeley.edu
			posting from a friend's account
From: butch@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Delayed burial and more brownouts!
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:15:16 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


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 4/10/92 Marcos To Delay Husband's Burial Until After May 11
Vote


  MANILA, Philippines -AP- Imelda Marcos avoided a
confrontation with the government and agreed to delay the
return of her husband's body from Hawaii until after the
May 11 election so as not to heighten tensions. 
  Marcos is among seven candidates to succeed President
Corazon Aquino. 
  In a statement, Marcos said ''I have decided to bring my
husband (former President Ferdinand Marcos) back on May 12,
the day after the presidential elections, in order that the
Philippine government may no longer accuse me of using my
husband's funeral for electioneering purposes.'' 
  Franklin Drilon, Aquino's chief aide, said the government
would await an ''official communication'' from the Marcos
family before commenting.  A senior administration
official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
returning the body a day after the election would probably
be acceptable. 
  More than 70,000 candidates are running for 17,000 posts
in the election and it is unlikely that all but a few races
will be decided by the day after the balloting. 
  Marcos had planned to fly the body from Hawaii on Sunday
and bury it on April 21 in her husband's home province of
Ilocos Norte.  He died in exile in Hawaii in 1989, and his
body has been kept in an air-conditioned crypt. 
  Last October, Aquino agreed to allow burial in the
Philippines if the body was flown directly to Ilocos Norte.

  12:39 PM
















 
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 4/10/92 Longer Blackouts To Affect Manila In Electricity
Crisis


  MANILA, Philippines -AP- After a week of four-hour
blackouts, the Philippine capital's eight million residents
will face even longer power outages today because of
breakdowns in aging electricity plants, an official said. 
  Joe Zaldariaga, spokesman for the Manila Electric Co.,
said the company will shut off power for six hours on a
rotating basis. 
  Officials said the blackouts will be the longest so far
this year in a single day. 
  The outages have become an increasing burden for Manila
residents, who also have water shortages and a
deteriorating telephone system. 
  The country is experiencing an electricity crisis because
of a prolonged drought and what some say was the failure of
President Corazon Aquino's government to address energy
issues during the early years of her administration. 
  Meanwhile, a drought has reduced water levels at
hydroelectric plants, a major source of electricity. 
Plants have also been plagued with maintenance problems. 
  11:55 AM
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:52:17 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

teej@aix.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) writes:

>In article <92098.220329U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>I am not surprised.  Over here in Troy, New York, one would expect that 
>people are open-minded.  In Rensselaer Polytechnic INstitute, a school that 
>is often compared with MIT, Caltech, etc.., one would expect students to be
>sympathetic to foreign students who enjoy life in the US.  

The last line sounds familiar. Didn't our predecessors a century ago were also
enjoying life in Europe and the local students being sympathetic to their cause.The problem was that they received little respect from the general public.

>Personally, I have met Americans who told me bluntly that the reason the 
>Philippines is in the situation of underdevelopment is that Filipinos keep
>immigrating to the US.  They have no love, no patriotism, and no value of
>sacrifice to make the PHilippines a better country.   

Immigration as a source of underdevelopment seems to have little merit if the 
root of the problem emanates from within the system back home. Filipinos who 
have decided to live outside of the Philippines are no less patriotic nor have
less love for the motherland.

Case in point, here in the southeast (too bad we're not in the same league as the schools back in the northeast ((just a joke))) there are a number of Filipino
scholars who could be of tremendous benefit to the country. They have made efforts to go back and be of service to the people. They come back disillusioned. There is no money for research. The government has made no direct and conscious effort to provide grants for them (What the government has now is just lip-service to the idea of a Balik-Scientist program).

To stick it out back home with not enough funds to do research, let alone feed 
one's family, is not patriotic...it is foolhardy!

I thought that after the last regime things would be better. I went to Houston,
TX a month ago to renew my passport. I was shocked by the attitude of the
consular officials. The atmosphere was just like back home ( people just sitting down doing nothing or reading a magazine). The situation was pathetic. How does one expect to be patriotic and feel love for one's country if his country's 
emmissaries are full of apathy (I guess unless if you have enough cash to grease them) towards their kababayans who are away from home.

I'm taking up too much bandwidth. I'm just ticked off with what's going on back home and how we are being treated over here.

JKE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino