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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Help for California Libraries! Dire Need!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:41:04 GMT

marotenb@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mark Rotenberg) writes:
>asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:
>> : [Quote on school/property taxes deleted]
>> : I'm willing to pay for them, as long as everybody else is too.
>> 
>> I'm curious about this statement.  If you're willing to pay for them,
>> why do you care whether anyone else does?

>What a silly response!  If everybody is paying for something then the cost
>per capita decreases.  There's no contradiction in supporting a policy so
>long as it's evenly enforced!  Sheesh...

Got it.  You want others to pay for something you want.  We already
knew that, but it's nice to get confirmation.


>> I've heard this before, so it seems to me there must be LOTS of people 
>> who are willing to pay for them.  But; why only if _everybody_ does?  
>> Why such a strange caveat?
>> 
>> Why not get together with a group of interested parties and simply pool 
>> your money together?

>Yeah, we can form a government!

That's not what he said - interested parties.  That's not the same as,
"Hey, why don't we mug others to get what we want, so we don't have to
pay for it ourselves?"


>>                       Since there are so many people willing to pay,
>> this should be a snap.  Of course, since we're on the subject of intro-
>> ducing "user-fees," this would be over and above what parents pay in
>> tuition, so the schools ought to get gobs of money this way.

>Hmmm... Taxes???  Are you trying to say that there are segments of the
>population who don't benefit from education?  Or segments of the economy?

There certainly are.  And once you take it to our current illiterate
producing money pit system, it's even worse.  Compared to what could
appear if it disappeared it may be a positive detriment.


>> So why do you feel it necessary to force money from dis-interested parties?

>Who's "dis-interested" in education?  We can all sit around and suck our
>thumbs until we're senile AND immature!  Or we can improve the business
>climate (what a concept!) by offering private education for those who can
>afford it, and basic education to those who need to.  Remember that even
>a Libertarian society depends on an educated populace.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You've got it.  Now, when everyone believes that education is so
overwhelmingly important, and that educated people are needed for the
future, what exactly leads you to the conclusion that if the rotten
government system were removed that everybody would just collapse in
confusion, and just give up on education?  Now, you might not be able
to employ the same number of administrative leeches (teachers make up
only 44% of California school employees, compared to 86% for private
CA schools), but who's going to lose sleep over that?
-- 
Refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: Missions in the Bay Area
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:44:31 GMT

In article <9207301413.aa19262@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>,
mludwig@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Michael S. Ludwig") writes:
>Of the four old Spanish missions in the Bay Area (in the cities of Santa
>Clara, Fremont, San Francisco, and San Rafael), which one, in your opinion,
>would be the best to visit, and why?  Mainly interested in which would be
>best for a visitor from out of state.  (Although, since I've never been to
>any of them, I might go visit the best-recommended one soon.)
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>
>"Planet Bog - pools of toxic chemicals | Michael Ludwig
>bubble under a choking atmosphere      |
>of poisonous gases.  But aside from    | mludwig@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
>that, it's not much like Earth."       |
>        - Calvin (of Calvin & Hobbes)  | UCI and I don't agree on anything.

I live in Fremont, but I recommend Santa Clara.  I have visited
Fremont, Santa Clara and the one in Carmel and of those three by far
the prettiest and most accessible with the nicest grounds is the
one at Santa Clara.  We had a close friend that got married there
and it was really beautiful.

Alma
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Raising Revenues vs Spending Them
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <182713@pyramid.pyramid.com>
 by lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell):

: In article <oXe9NB6w165w@coriolis.UUCP> mitch@coriolis.UUCP (Mitch) writes:
:
:> Maybe I'm misuderstanding something here.  
:
: You certainly are, Mitch.  The NAME of some of the groups you are
: POSTING TO!!!!!!!!
:
: "Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics"
:              ^^^^^^^^^^             ^^^^^^^^^^
:
: How 'bout being a good trooper and removing the *.general groups
: from your "Newsgroups: " line?   
:
: >:-) so far, but it IS getting a bit boring reading this politics
: on the general boards.  

Well, I dunno.  My admittedly limited experience with reading *.general
newsgroups is that they can be pretty boring.

You folks should find the occasional political flame war a rather nice
change from the usual!

Other than that, tho, I agree with you.  Postings *_should_* follow the
charter of the newsgroup.  You just need to remind folks now and then,
that's all!

Oh that's right, you did remind folks, didn't you?

B-{)

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
Just remember: when you go to court, you are trusting your fate to
twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty!
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Help for California Libraries! Dire Need!
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:31:55 GMT
            <1992Jul13.050202.26728@clarinet.com>
            <28484@goofy.Apple.COM>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <28484@goofy.Apple.COM>
 by casseres@apple.com (David Casseres):

: I hate to give you painful news, but a lot of us think there are some 
: details to be argued about when it comes to cutting expenditures.  
: "Cut everything" is not a good enough way to go about it, particularly 
: when there are vast areas that are NOT being cut, such as idiotic drug-
: law enforcement (just to pick a particularly obvious example).

I'd say that if there are areas that are NOT being cut, then the
statement "cut everything" does not apply.  Ie, the "details to be
argued about" are indeed being argued, and some fool legislator decided
that "cut everything" needn't include police.

However, that does not detract from the benefits of discussing a true
"cut everything," including, the WoR.  So, let's talk about that.  Shall
we cut everything?  INCLUDING the WoR?  Sounds like a wonderful idea to
me.

: David Casseres

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
Bureaucrat, n.: A politician who has tenure.
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Help for California Libraries! Dire Need!
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:42:00 GMT
            <1992Jul13.071631.28383@clarinet.com>
            <69964@apple.Apple.COM>
            <144tppINNe08@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Followup-To: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <144tppINNe08@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
 by stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU:

: I think the IRS and State Franchise Tax Board should allow people to use a
:     form where they check off where they want their tax money spent.
:
: So there could be lots of categories;

I think a system of user fees would be simpler, and accomplish the same
thing.  Ie, you attend a park, you pay admission.  You borrow books from
a library if and only if you've paid a membership fee or a rental fee.

: And for instance, have some categories that allow you to be exempt if you
: don't have a relationship to it...
:
: If you don't own a car, should you pay highway/road taxes.  If you don't 
:    have childern should you pay school taxes? 

User fees.  If you attend school, you pay tuition.  If you don't use the
service, you don't pay the fee.  Etc., etc.

It'll never pass, tho.  If you implement a system of user fees, it'll
be too close to a free market, and the socialists (most of whom don't
even know they're socialists) will scream bloody murder.

: Stephen

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
In America, any boy may become president and I suppose that's just one
of the risks he takes.  -- Adlai Stevenson
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: bruceh@fps.com (Bruce T. Hill)
Subject: Re: Missions in the Bay Area
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:34:52 GMT

In article <9207301413.aa19262@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>,
mludwig@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Michael S. Ludwig") writes:
>Of the four old Spanish missions in the Bay Area (in the cities of Santa
>Clara, Fremont, San Francisco, and San Rafael), which one, in your opinion,
>would be the best to visit, and why?  Mainly interested in which would be
>best for a visitor from out of state.  (Although, since I've never been to
>any of them, I might go visit the best-recommended one soon.)

Check out this month's issue of Sunset Magazine.  There is an interesting
article on the California Missions and some of the restoration efforts
that are taking place at several of them.

-- 
Bruce T. Hill @ Cray Research Superservers, Inc., San Diego, CA, USA
Email: bruceh@cray.com  Phone: (619) 625-3746  FAX: (619) 625-0641
Humorous quotation:  Nobody looks good wearing _brown_lipstick_. --Frank Zappa
From: mludwig@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Michael S. Ludwig")
Subject: Missions in the Bay Area
Newsgroups: ca.general
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:13:21 GMT

Of the four old Spanish missions in the Bay Area (in the cities of Santa
Clara, Fremont, San Francisco, and San Rafael), which one, in your opinion,
would be the best to visit, and why?  Mainly interested in which would be
best for a visitor from out of state.  (Although, since I've never been to
any of them, I might go visit the best-recommended one soon.)

Thank you in advance.


"Planet Bog - pools of toxic chemicals | Michael Ludwig
bubble under a choking atmosphere      |
of poisonous gases.  But aside from    | mludwig@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
that, it's not much like Earth."       |
        - Calvin (of Calvin & Hobbes)  | UCI and I don't agree on anything.
Xref: sparky ca.general:938 ca.politics:5929
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Help for California Libraries! Dire Need!
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:50:59 GMT
            <69964@apple.Apple.COM>
            <144tppINNe08@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
            <1454rkINNejt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Followup-To: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <1454rkINNejt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
 by carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock):

: "School taxes" are property taxes.  Or at least that's what I thought.
: And yeah, I don't have any children, but I sure as hell hope the ones
: that other people have are getting an education, or this state is
: going to be a real mess in a few years.

(Actually ... it's in a real mess NOW!)

: I'm willing to pay for them, as long as everybody else is too.

I'm curious about this statement.  If you're willing to pay for them,
why do you care whether anyone else does?

I've heard this before, so it seems to me there must be LOTS of people 
who are willing to pay for them.  But; why only if _everybody_ does?  
Why such a strange caveat?

Why not get together with a group of interested parties and simply pool 
your money together?  Since there are so many people willing to pay,
this should be a snap.  Of course, since we're on the subject of intro-
ducing "user-fees," this would be over and above what parents pay in
tuition, so the schools ought to get gobs of money this way.

So why do you feel it necessary to force money from dis-interested parties?

Somebody 'splain dis t' me!

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
Hall's Second Law of Politics:
    Citizens want honest politicians until they want something fixed.
Newsgroups: uci.housing,ca.general
From: eshepard@ics.uci.edu (Edward R. Shepard)
Subject: Apartment or room for rent or sublease in CA
Keywords: Sublease rent apartment or room
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:09:50 GMT



I have a two bedroom/two bath furnished apartment for sublease.
And I am looking for someone to sub-lease the master bedroom for
675.00 per month and the other room for 475.00 per month,
or the whole apartment for $1,150.00.  The rent normally
is $1,145.00.  Utilities are included, except for electricity.
Cable TV and the phone line will be up to the leasee.

The apartment is located in Berkeley Court complex,
right across UCI on Campus Road.  The apartment is located
near the corner of Berkeley and Campus.  There is a pool and
jacuzzi (sp?), and they are 15 yards from the apartment.

The apartment is tastefully furnished.  Pastel colors on
white/cream, oak wood, and black trimming accent the living
room.  The dining room is small, and it has a round, dark
stained rattan, glass top table.  The kitchen is fully
equipped, and has a side-by-side, ice-and-water dispenser
refrigerator and a dish washer, and Sharp carousel microwave.
The living room and the non-master bedroom have sliding glass
doors opening unto a balcony, overlooking a tree-and-bush-lined
walkway.  The apartment has central air and heating, all
carpeted (tan), well lit and aired.  Lots of windows, and
it has a nice orientation.  Plants are located in all the
rooms, adding a nice touch to the tranquil and serene
atmosphere.  There are three phone lines and cable tv outlet
in every room.  

Parking stickers are included, allowing parking in any 
parking space in the lot and in the private, covered carport
reserved for the apartment.  Basket Ball, Tennis, and
sand Volley Ball courts, as well as several pools are
part of the facilities available to residents.  

There are various facilities also available for everyone.
Beautiful bike-running-skating trails are all around the location,
as well as wide, open, tree-lined streets.  The beach
is 10 minutes away, and there is a park with a lake within
walking distance for picnics, jugging, biking, etc.
There is a small shopping center across the street that has
a movie theater with five different screens, stores, restaurants,
and banks.  A theater is also across the street, showing plays,
concerts, dances, etc.  The library for the school is also
across the street, as well as a Family Fitness Center gym.
The supermarket is two blocks away, and it is also located
in a small shopping center.

Well, that is it in a nut shell.  Anything else that you would
like to know, just ask.

Edd.
(714) 854-2259 eves
(714) 856-8143 days
eshepard@ics.uci.edu
-- 
Kelso's Observation: The only one who got everything done
by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
*{:)  <=smillie with a ski cap.
Xref: sparky ca.general:940 ca.politics:5932
From: marotenb@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mark Rotenberg)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Help for California Libraries! Dire Need!
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:55:49 GMT
Followup-To: ca.general
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, San Diego

asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:

> Written in article <1454rkINNejt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>  by carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock):
> 
> : [Quote on school/property taxes deleted]
> : I'm willing to pay for them, as long as everybody else is too.
> 
> I'm curious about this statement.  If you're willing to pay for them,
> why do you care whether anyone else does?

What a silly response!  If everybody is paying for something then the cost
per capita decreases.  There's no contradiction in supporting a policy so
long as it's evenly enforced!  Sheesh...
 
> I've heard this before, so it seems to me there must be LOTS of people 
> who are willing to pay for them.  But; why only if _everybody_ does?  
> Why such a strange caveat?
> 
> Why not get together with a group of interested parties and simply pool 
> your money together?

Yeah, we can form a government!

>                       Since there are so many people willing to pay,
> this should be a snap.  Of course, since we're on the subject of intro-
> ducing "user-fees," this would be over and above what parents pay in
> tuition, so the schools ought to get gobs of money this way.

Hmmm... Taxes???  Are you trying to say that there are segments of the
population who don't benefit from education?  Or segments of the economy?
 
> So why do you feel it necessary to force money from dis-interested parties?

Who's "dis-interested" in education?  We can all sit around and suck our
thumbs until we're senile AND immature!  Or we can improve the business
climate (what a concept!) by offering private education for those who can
afford it, and basic education to those who need to.  Remember that even
a Libertarian society depends on an educated populace.
 
> The Chipmunk.

Forgive my occasional sarcasm!  *8^)
								Mark Rotenberg
								mrote@ucsd.edu
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: help for california libraries! Dire need!
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:06:43 GMT
            <1992Jul13.143637.3636@unocal.com>
            <1992Jul19.081048.7791@adobe.com>
            <8092.8729@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Followup-To: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <8092.8729@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>
 by lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com:

: In article <1992Jul19.081048.7791@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) 
:    writes:
:> Personally, I'd like to see public libraries shut down so there could
:> be a market for private libraries. Perhaps we'd see some libraries
:> with reasonable hours like the bookstores which stay open til midnight.
:> Libraries which are more than babysitting areas for loud children.
:> Libraries with a good selection of books. I usually head for the
:> bookstore when I need a book. Libraries with copy machines that work.
:>
:>--
:> My opinions are my own.
:
: Oh that's a real good idea.  Then they can charge admission,
: perhaps we might even have gvt-controlled/owned libraries.

Ummmm ... I hate to tell you this, but ... Libraries ARE govt-controlled
and owned.

: That
: way we can keep riff raff out like us left wing radical
: liberals.

Not if you left wing radical liberals have a buck to spend (and most of
you do, and a good deal more than one buck, I might add).

Hmmm.  The remainder of this doesn't seem worth responding to.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
The belief that enhanced understanding will necessarily stir a 
nation to action is one of mankind's oldest illusions.
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: testing, are headers right?
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:42:02 GMT

testing again, for header integrity.
-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: renjen@nimbus.com (Sanjeev Renjen)
Subject: test #3
Organization: Nimbus Technology Inc. (formerly C2 Technology)
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:05:42 GMT

This is the time for all good men et.c
From: audit035@spacm1.spac.spc.com (Saeed Naderi)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: TESTING
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:38:44 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

THIS IS A TEST.
From: renjen@nimbus.com (Sanjeev Renjen)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Test posting
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: renjen@nimbus.com  (Sanjeev Renjen)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA

ack ack ack.
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: frank@odetics.com (Frank Merrow)
Subject: Ignore
Reply-To: frank@odetics.com (Frank Merrow)
Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:50:53 GMT

Hi,

L for Gordius Now

Frank

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Newsgroups: ca.test
From: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Subject: john's
Reply-To: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:04:37 GMT

this is it

John Morton					University of California
jmorton@euler.berkeley.edu			Mechanical Engineering
{decvax,cbosgd}!ucbvax!euler!jmorton		Machine Shop
From: gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald Hall)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: hello world
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:50:00 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

How's it hangin'?

-- 
   /
  /	Jerry,	CalmaSD UNIX SysAdmin,	+1 619 587 3065
 /
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Immigration (was Re: June Genis in the Orange County Register)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:10:53 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.202048.2470@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>Somehow, I can't picture someone actually preferring living on the dole in
>a foriegn country, especially considering how pitiful the lifestyle is,
>to working in their own country.  One would have to be pretty desperate.

This is a fairly naive viewpoint.  The conditions in america, even on the dole,
are vastly superior to the conditions in Haiti, for example.  I can very
easily see why people would want to get the fuck out of Haiti, even if it
means being on the dole in America.


FWA
Newsgroups: ca.politics