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From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:47:55 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.

The thread under this subject has changed since
the original posting. Perhaps we could rename it
'Spelling of five-syllable words'
e.g. pronunciation.

Henry Sewell          My opinion, not my employer's.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:56:37 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul23.143925.3669@rdg.dec.com>, evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
> 
> In article <24091@castle.ed.ac.uk>, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>>A wrecked bike is locked to my front garen railings and I would
>>like to ge rid of it. I am thinking of trying using a sledgehammer
>>to smash the "lock" bit, but I don't want to look a fool by
>>failing to do this in a public place!!
> 
>  I believe that the use of a small hydraulic bottle jack is one of the 
> favoured methods, if you've got the room to fit it where it can apply
> some force.
> 
> Gwyn
Alternatively, obtain a small bottle of liquid nitrogen from your local
Chemistry Laboratory. Apparently you can get these locks cold enough that they
shatter when hit.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:42:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul29.142639.7707@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
=>In article <3655@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
=>>From article <6497@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, by ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak):
=>>> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
=>>> Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at
=>>> all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.
=>>>
=>>
=>>Especially those who wear them backwards - this bizarre dress code
=>>really gets up my nose.
=>>
=>>Andy,
=>
=>	When you're detasselling corn and the sun is at your back it's
=>	eminently sensible.

That's nice, but detasselling corn isn't a very common occupation for
unemployed layabouts in British high streets.



-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
From: dlm@sjfc.UUCP (Don Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Summary: All is forgiven, Sooz
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:29:07 GMT
Organization: St. John Fisher College, Rochester, NY

In article <sooz.711929216@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley) writes:
> 
> *Please, Don Muench - believe that I meant no ill feelings to you and that I
>  did understand your comment about accents*

Sooz Bradley, I know you meant no ill feelings - and I am pleased that you
did understand what I said about accents.  I will take this part of the
discussion to e-mail, Sooz.  

Don  Muench
From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Derogatory fanny pack
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:30:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul29.213043.259541
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes
> Cobblers! 'everyone' knows what "fanny" means. Didnt the meaning
> derive from the shape of the pubic hairs?

Hmmm.  I always imagined it as being a naming thing.  Kind of like
"willy" (William) or "dick" (Richard).  Any linguists out there? 

Jonathan H.
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:24:53 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <JHEIKKIL.92Jul22134535@utrio.helsinki.fi> jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi (Juha Heikkila) writes:
>In article <14ggopINNib4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

>Talking about cars, have the British car manufacturers always
>expressed the capacity of engines in cubic centimetres or litres
>(like 2000cc or 2.0 litres)? Or was it earlier based on some
>equivalent measure in cubic inches (or some such), which was then
>rounded for the benefit of metric customers?

Engines in Britain were commonly rated in "horsepower" until around
about the war.  I've never heard any mention of cubic inches for
British cars in Britain.  When George Eyston was breaking land speed
records in the '30s, he was going for the 750cc class so I presume 
there would have been some public knowledge of the metric system.

I'm not sure how they would have calculated the "horsepower" figures 
- I doubt they used a dyno.  It was probably a combination of engine 
capacity & state of tune, modified according to the optimism of the 
sales department.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:34:42 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <CAH.92Jul27160138@peter.bham.ac.uk> cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
>
>I can foresee a change to this in the future -- as far as football
>goes anyway -- with the emerging countries of eastern Europe.
>Particularly vulnerable is the Welsh team since the Welsh F.A. is
>having trouble forming a credible national league. Unless they do so I
>reckon UEFA and FIFA may (if looking to limit number of teams) decide
>that Wales -- without a national league -- no longer merits
>international status.
>
>Does anyone know the current status regarding a national league of
>Wales? The latest thing I heard was an attempt to "force" all Welsh
>teams to play in some league -- I believe at present they have to ask
>permission from the WFA to play in leagues ultimately under the
>English FA.

The Welsh teams currently playing in the English League (Wrexham, Cardiff,
Swansea) and the GM Vauxhall Conference (Merthyr Tydfil, + maybe a couple
of others) were exempted from joining the new Welsh League. Teams that
belonged to lower non-leagues, such as the Beazer Homes League, have
been told that they must join the new League. Several of the teams in
question are none too pleased about this, and have opted to play their
home fixtures in England so as to escape control of the Welsh FA and their
new League.

The upside of the Welsh League is that we may see such great footballing
talents as Abergavenny Thursdays competing in the UEFA Cup!

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10829 rec.arts.books:13297
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Biggles Books
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:09:27 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1512sfINN6kh@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes:
>However, the new editions will be edited for political
>correctness:  no alcohol, no romantic involvements...
>---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
>     Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect    | Thought for the day: If Unix had been
>      (geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM)      | developed in England, we'd all be using
>SunSelect, a Sun Microsystems Business | BCPL (and migrating to BCPL++)...



My God, it's no longer PC to be romantically involved!


BTW, I like the sig and I have the listing for an operating system written
in the mid 70's using object orientated techniques (but they didn't know it
at the time :-) and BCPL.



-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <3655@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>From article <6497@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, by ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak):
>> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>> Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at 
>> all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.
>> 
>
>Especially those who wear them backwards - this bizarre dress code
>really gets up my nose. Hadn't noticed that this sort of scum don't wash,
>but then I try not to look that long....

If you were near enough for the baseball cap to get up your nose,
surely you _must_ have noticed in no time flat?
--
Robin (kill the PM jingle) Fairbairns, using the facilities of the U
of Cambridge Computer Lab, for which permission is gratefully acknowledged.
[A lost soul who's been made redundant by Laser-Scan after 17 years]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:18:03 GMT

In article <23989@castle.ed.ac.uk> matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor) writes:

>                                                    ... and I would like
>to think that even in the most casual of situations a true devotee of
>British culture can make the effort to get THEIR English grammar
>correct.

HIS would be grammatically correct; THEIR is merely politically correct,

>Thank you.

Your welcome.

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
   Sometimes, the odd smiley can cut down net traffic.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:40:39 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> >typical package includes a grant (scholarship), a work study job, a student
> >loan, a suggested family contribution, and a suggested personal
> >contribution, which usually includes projected earnings from a summer job
> >as well.  All of these add up to the total projected cost for a year of
> >school including books and travel to/from home.
> 

Actually, at least in my case, they didn't add up to anywhere near enough.
The norm now (this is in USA) is where they say "You qualify for a $4000
package this semester. We can give you $1700. Have a nice day."

This is why many people have to work while in high school and save the
money towards college (university), to make up the difference. 

OK, is that enough drift now? I thought I was asking a simple question.
(In fact, it hasn't been answered yet. The question--what I *meant* to
be the question -- was, "Is working while in high school confined to the 
lower classes in the U.K.?" I guess maybe it has been answered, in the
affirmative, by the number of postings which assumed that I meant
"university".)

-Laura "We Apologize For Any Inconvenience" Johnson
-- 
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.162352.12796@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.150823@axion.bt.co.uk> ravis@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Avis) writes:
>>
>>In article <NIGEL.92Jul28114609@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:
>>|> In article <5634@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>

>>However, as individuals the US forces are full of `economic conscripts',
>>many from poorer states, who joined to get money for college.
>>The way some of these people tried to wriggle out of their commitments
>>at the time of the Gulf War was incredible.

It should be noted for those of you not in the US that most of the Army
personnel sent to the Gulf War were not the regular Army.   The Army
Reserves were called in to provide personnel for the Gulf.   The first
persons called in were medical personnel and medical support staff,
thereby denying the US hospitals many of their emergency and surgical
staff.  The US Army did not deplete its own medical staffing to provide
personnel to the Gulf.   Also, when additional specialty forces were
called in, frequently both husband and wife were given 24 to 48 hours
to report for active duty.   In a "real" war, no 2 persons from a single
family were assigned to a similar area to avoid such problems.   Most
of the "wriggles" were persons who had a legitimate reason to object
to their activation.   Boston City Hospital was left with one emergency
room surgeon after the reserves were called up.   Children were suddenly
taken from schools and shipped to grandparents or other relatives in other
areas while both parents answered the call.   There were enough other
personnel available that these conflicts could have been avoided.

--Margaret





Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Subject: Imperial failures (was Re: Metric System)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:20:56 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes
> Would the defenders of the Imperial/US weights & measure like to
> answer this one:
> 
> I have two spaces; space A is 11 8/8" x 6 1/16"
>                    space B is 2 chains x 7 yds
> 
> What is the area of each space in square feet?
> If I have a piece of linoleum of 1/3 acre will I be able to cover
> the spaces?   
> If linoleum weighs 2 1/3 oz/sq inch how much will the total covering
> weigh (in stones and lbs).
> Linoleum is sold by weight, it costs 5/- 3 1/2d per quarter pound.
> Work out the cost of the total covering.

The three replies to this article which I have seen so far (from Mike
Smith, Alec <jac54@cas.org>, and Nick Haines) have produced entirely
different answers.  All of them seem totally convinced that *their*
answer is the correct one.

I think that about wraps it up for the Imperial system.  Nice one,
Chris.

Jonathan H., jch@cs.cmu.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10912 rec.arts.books:13398
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Biggles Books
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Organization: The Yiung Tong Iddlai Co. Ltd.

I let myself get carried away...

(  No, no; it's ``no kicking the cat, /new/ romantic involvements''.  There   
 ) was only one romantic involvement in the whole canon, Ginger.  I do   /

and ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) seems to have found an entirely 
different meaning in almost everything I said, drat him:

(  Er, what about Marie?

Quite.  Indeed.  Just what I meant.  What I should presumably have written was
``...and Ginger dear fellow, there was only one romantic...'', although now  /
you come to mention it, there is something to be said for your reading too. / g
From: jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi (Juha Heikkila)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:45:35 GMT
	<CC.92Jul19150114@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Jul21.044151.17048@athena.cs.uga.edu>
	<14ggopINNib4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>
Organization: Dept. of Linguistics, University of Helsinki

In article <14ggopINNib4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

   Then there are the half-metric things, like car tyres. I don't know about

Talking about cars, have the British car manufacturers always
expressed the capacity of engines in cubic centimetres or litres
(like 2000cc or 2.0 litres)? Or was it earlier based on some
equivalent measure in cubic inches (or some such), which was then
rounded for the benefit of metric customers?

--

  Juha Heikkila            jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi
From: colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Dum dee dum...
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:32:25 GMT
Reply-To: colin@cs.uq.oz.au

Not heard anything for a few weeks. Nothing doing?

C.

--
|Colin Millerchip           | "And all this science I don't understand,|
|University of Queensland   |  It's just my job five days a week"      |
|colin@cs.uq.oz.au          |   - "Rocketman", Elton John              |
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:13:38 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Jul29.101519.29417@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>In article <10261@scott.ed.ac.uk> sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Soren Harder) writes:
>>ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron) writes:
>>>  There is only one GB team in cricket.  It's called England,
>
>*       No it isn't, it's called the Marleybone Cricket Club (MCC).

Of course! Named after that well known cricket fan - Bob Marley.

Officially it's the MCC but since nobody, apart from your good self
apparently,  can pronounce Marylebone it's generally called "England".

Nick "I don't like cricket, I loathe it" Taylor.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10550 soc.culture.usa:6177
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:00:16 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <36880@ttidca.TTI.COM> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:

>in a tobacconists I think). Anyway he told me as follows: "When we served
>a toff, if we didn't like him, we called him "Sir" to show contempt. If
>we thought he was OK, we would call him "Guv", Sir."

Nice one. However, the word "sir" would not indicate contempt in itself. It
has to be said in the right way. Said the wrong way - as in normal speech - it
would be considered polite. Basically, any form of address can be made to
sound rude or polite depending on the way it is intoned. I shan't try to
demonstrate on usenet ...

Nick.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Derogatory fanny pack
Summary: American Humor (Canadian, actually)
Keywords: like, a joke, eh
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:27:43 GMT

In article <5455@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
>In article <37796.glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (, Gene A. Heyler) writes:
>>    Some friends of mine recently visited the UK and were told the phrase 
>>"fanny pack", used to describe the strap-on around-the-waist carry pouch,
>>was a derogatory racial term, so should use the term "bum bag" instead. 
>>Gene A. Heyler 
>
>You've got to be careful when using the word "fanny" as it's meaning changes
>somewhere over the mid-Atlantic.
>
Well, I hope all the airline pilots know enough to make a proper
announcement at that precise point.

Adrian.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher)
Subject: Marlborough ad guy dies of lung cancer
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:13:06 GMT

... so it said in the Herald Tribune.
Now, A.S.H. ought to make some mileage out of that.
What's their UK address anyone please?

Ta,

Paul

-- 
---------------

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CERN
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Organization: sgi
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.125216.23368@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
|> In article <1992Jul20.084847.18570@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> |> What is democratic about this? Why is it that Americans often
|> |> use the word "democratic" in contexts where it has nothing at
|> |> all to do with the people having real power over government,
|> |> which is what "democratic" actually means?
|> >
|> >Buy a dictionary.   Meaning 2b of the word "democratic" in
|> >the American Heritage Dictionary is "carried on by the people
|> >in general".
|> 
|> All this means is that Americans have misused the word for so
|> long that the misuse has got into the dictionary.

And all that means is that you have decided to reject common 
usage.    An elistist pedant rejects a common usage of the 
word - wait for it - "democracy".  No surprise there, I'd say.

Why should the people take advice on democracy from someone
who wants to impose archaic usage on them?

jon.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:27:02 EDT
From: Girish Harshe <GRH6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Metric Humor? was Metric System
Distribution: world
 <CC.92Jul19150114@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
 <1992Jul21.044151.17048@athena.cs.uga.edu> <4762@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Jul21.091805.25497@osf.org> <14gsucINNjvd@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>

 Hi,

    I had learnt that there are standards of all units kept in a
museum in Paris, France; e.g. a meter, a foot, a kilogram etc.

    I wonder, if there is a horse pulling some weight in pounds
with a specific velocity (in ft/sec) to have a standard for one
horsepower?

    - Girish

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:03:05 GMT

In article <23989@castle.ed.ac.uk>, matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.085000.20646@cl.cam.ac.uk> mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner) writes:
|> >(probably to the people who stole they're last bicycle the week before).
|> 				   ^^^^^^^
|> >
|> I'm sorry for sounding like a Cabinet Minister but maybe they are right.
|> Maybe standards are dropping when an academic from Cambridge can't even
|> get as simple a piece of grammar correct, as this.

Actually you sound more like a Daily Mail journo.  I'm sure that Michael Warner
does know the difference between their, they are and there and just sent this post without thinking.  How many typed reports have you written where you've subsequently found some stupid mistake ?

lighten up,

David.

BTW a friend of mine bought an Oxford bike which cost her 100 quid - they are quite sought after. (or is that sort after ? :-)