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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: maradona
Date: 15 Aug 1992 14:38:58 -0500
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I have been reading with interest the postings about Maradona's
possible return to Napoli.  As much as I would like to see him
play again and therefore would like to see him return to Italy
for RAI broadcasts, and as much as I would like one of the 
greatest players of all time to be able to leave the game with 
his head held high, and as much as I am opening myself up for
attacks from all sides...here are some thoughts:
	Maradona is 31 years old with the body of 40.  In his last
season with Napoli, he was not so dominant as before.  In fact,
the 1990-91 season was a bad one for the club.  This past season, 
Napoli had a good year, and Maradona's replacement emerged as
one of the most promising young players in Italy (Gianfranco Zola).
The year before, with Maradona missing games, not training regularly, 
the debacle in the European Champions Cup, was a year of 
controversy and frustration.  To allow him to come back
under the conditions that I have read on r.s.s (train alone,
no road games) is to send the team back from a successful
season with a UEFA cup birth to the middle of the table.

What Maradona has done with the Argentinean side and with Napoli
is truly amazing (two World Cup finals, one championship; two
Italian championships; one European cup trophy).  For me,
he was the greatest player ever.  But he is not anymore, and
in response to someone on r.s.s, there are plenty of players
who are better than a 31 year old Maradona that has been
inactive effectively for almost two years (I am adding to the 
15 month suspension since he seemed to play so little after
the 1990 World Cup).  

In 1990, Maradona was the player upon whom the most fouls
were committed in the entire competition.  The second most
fouled player about one-half as Maradona did.  I don't think
that was the case in 1986.  Was it because Italia '90 was 
so much more physical than Mexico '86?  I don't think so.  Was it 
because Maradona had the officials eating out of his hand
by 1990?  I don't think so.  In 1986, as in 1982 and in 1990, 
everyone was trying to foul him.  In 1982 he lacked the
maturity and cleverness to elude the butchers.  In 1990
he lacked the athletic ability to do so.  In 1986 he
was so damn good, he couldn't be stopped even with
fouls.

Just one guys opinion:  the guy who once was the greatest player
ever is over the hill.  If he is going to play, he should go
not go to the most difficult league in the world.

Ken S.
From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA Rule for USA Colleges
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:35:09 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
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: 
: 	Can someone please tell me if the "FIFA backpass rule" will be enforced
: this fall for Division 1 colleges, particularly the Big Ten Conference (Ohio
: State, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana and Wisconsin)?
: 
: 	What about Division 1 high schools?

  
  I don't think so for College.  I KNOW they won't be for HS (Federation) -
  If implemented they will have to be NEXT season.  I missed our NICOA 
  College Soccer Referee annual clinic (last Monday) which could've given you
  a definitive answer - but I'll check.  Our High School clinic is 3 weeks
  and the 92-93 Season Rule Books (federation) are already printed - so I
  this new ruling will not be in effect for HS - until NEXT September ('93).


  
-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: THAT NEW FIFA BACKPASS RULE - HOW TO BEAT IT!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:52:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

>>A defender, wishing to pass back to his keeper, and with no opposing players
>>*too* near, can simply chip the ball up with his feet (little bit of skill
>>required here) and then head/chest the ball to his goalie.
>>The referee would surely be powerless to do anything about it.

>>Mark Brewer,  Edinburgh

I think if a defender has time to do ball tricks then he has time to
knock it to a teammate or dribble it up the pitch a little.

In my English News posting I mention that in the City-QPR game last night,
a picked-up backpass was not called a foul ... very odd!

Tim
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From: shulman@zeus02.enet.dec.com (Julian Shulman)
Subject: Going to the last game of the season
Reply-To: shulman@zeus02.enet.dec.com (Julian Shulman)
Organization: Zeus CTD Offline Group
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.174421.6839@tcom.stc.co.uk>, bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk
(Bruce Munro) writes:
|>
|>I can't see that it makes much difference on the first day of the
|>season, but
|>if the championship goes to the very last game, as it did last season,
|>then
|>they will almost certainly play any crucial matches simultaneously.
|>
Blimey, we must have been watching different leagues last seasons :->
In the one I saw, Leeds wrapped it up in the penultimate game, whilst
Man U did their usual thing and chucked it away. The last time the
championship was decided on the last game of the season, and it really
was the last game, was when Arsenal  -0\ stuffed Liverpool in May 1989

    Julian Shulman
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Papin
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:57:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Even with a precariously holding knee Gullit is a much, much better 
player than Papin will ever be; if Milan falls for this I want to 
sell them some real estate in Florida...

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics

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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:34:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.092411.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	To everybody writing about football in Spain:
>
>	I could not see the Spain-Poland match, but I have been watching 
>football in Madrid (Spain) for a long time. Maybe the referee was not
>correct in this game, maybe the crowd helped a lot (I am sure they did!),
>maybe the Polish players are stronger than the Spanish,...
>	BUT: Please, do not say that the referee was favouring Spain, or that
>everything was organized so Spain would win ANY WAY. As Spaniard, and lover of
>football, I do not like to hear such things. 

Carlos, I don't know if you read my recent postings but there was a guy
from California twisting everything I said. With out a daubt I think that
Spain deserved to win the Olympics and nothing was fixed whatsoever for
Spain to win the Olympics. I think by looking at the scores of the games
Spain was involved in it shows that Spain definately deserved to be
in the final and in my opinion deserved to win the final against Poland.

Does the crowd make a difference, of course it does. However what was
the Spanish team to do - kick out all the fans to make the game even, of
course not. I only made the point that the crowd makes a difference just
like it did for England 66, Germany 74, Argentina 78.

>	Being a referee is not an easy thing, and having to decide a call
>in a few seconds with all the pressure of the crowd is also difficult. So, I 
>prefer to think that, in general, referees are honest, and that they make
>some mistakes that everybody should understand. Or else, when a player misses
>an easy goal, we will start to thing that he was playing for the other
>team. Learning to lose, and also to win, is difficult, and when our team 
>loses, and we think it desereved the victory, we should accept the result
>instead of trying to find something / someone responsible for that. 

Here I disagree with you a bit. FIFA like always fucked up on its selection
of the referee (or for that matter whoever chose the ref.). You see the
Columbian referee might be the most honost and niceset guy in the world, 
however he speaks the same language and he's use to a less physical, dribbling
style of South American play. So what I'm saying is that no matter how 
he try's to call the game even, sub-consciously he will always favor the 
less physical style of play. And in a game where split second decisions
are made it's the subconsious progammed decisions that are made by the
referee. I felt the Spanish players (especially Alonso, Enrique) saw that
and took advantage of it. Was it the right thing for them to do - NO,
would the Polish players do samething if the ref. allowed them to - YES.
For big games like that a referee must be chosen who understands both
styles of play, not some 5ft 6in guy that could barely keep up with the
game and follow the play.

>
>	Watching good football is what matters for me!
>
>
>	Thank you.
>
>
>	Carlos
>	Rutgers University
>	jaramillo@cancer.rutgers.edu

regards,

mario s.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:48:02 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Fuad" == Fuad Joe Khoury (fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu)

Fuad> It is too bad that Maradona will always be the best player in
Fuad> the world whether some people like it or not.

Maradona was (is?) a great football player and he has given us many
wonderful things throughout the years. Claims that this or that
player is the best player of all time makes little sense, though.
There have been many good players in the history of football, and
there are many good players today. Each have their own style and
strenght -- that's what make true stars great, their individuality.
Comparing the best will always be hard, and comparing the best today
with the best of 30 years ago is impossible. Is Maradona better than
di Stafeno? Who can tell?

Happily, it is in no way important. A great player is a joy to watch,
so the more the better. Football reaches it's golden moments in the
synergy of team and individual -- enjoy it when it happens, wherever it
happens, whoever makes it happen.

Fuad> Only those who know and appreciate soccer realize that it is a
Fuad> giant loss for soccer if Maradona does not play anymore.

I agree that the fall of Maradona has been a great loss. I have
enjoyed Maradona a lot, and it is a real shame that he has made such
an ass of himself by acting as if he was the emperor of chine, by
using drugs, etc. Maradona has become a sad figure these days. 

Will he be able to make a comeback? I don't know, and neither does
anyone else. We'll have to wait and see. We can only hope he will make
it. If not, there are happily a healthy number of other players out
there with real class.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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Subject: Re: pass-to-goalkeeper game situation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:38:12 +0000







> In Message-ID: <1992Aug13.114339.12027@spider.co.uk> stuartw@spider.co.uk
(Stuart Wilson)
>>>>  In addition, was there misconduct?
>>>>  A)  No foul, no misconduct.
>>>>  B)  Just a foul, no further penalty.
>>>>  C)  Ungentlemanly conduct by the keeper: caution, yellow card.
>>>>  D)  Serious foul play by the keeper: send-off, red card.
>>>>
>>>I'm not sure of the correct technical answer but surely this is no better
>>>than an outfield player handling to stop a goal so I would think D. It will
>>>be interesting to see what the referee awards if this ever happens.
>>>
>>It *is* different from an outfield player handling. FIFA's interpretation
>>of handling to prevent a sure goal specifically excludes the goalkeeper from
>>Unless they come out with a new ruling then it's just a foul, no further penal
t
y

This bit of my last post got garbled - it should have read

"... specifically excludes the goalkeeper from being sent off for
handling within his own penalty area ..."

>The rule doesn't exclude the goalie, it's just that when the rule was
>introduced there was no ban on pass backs. In fact if a goalie deliberately
>handles outside the box to stop a goal he is sent off. Surely he should also
>be sent off for deliberately and illegally handling inside the box also. It
>makes no sense otherwise.

OK, the ruling was introduced before the backpass ban, but it does exclude 
the goalie when in the penalty box, the wording is

"If, in the opinion of the Referee,  a player, other than the goalkeeper within
his own penalty-area, denies his opponents a goal, or an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity, by intentionally handling the ball, he shall be sent off the field
of play for serious foul play in accordance with Law 12(n)."

If FIFA had intended that the goalie be punished for deliberate handball
they would have said award a penalty and sent the keeper off, they wouldn't be
saying give an indirect free kick. Most backpass would probably end up in the ne
t
if the keeper didn't stop them, with feet or otherwise!

James M. Ross

(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
From: EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:45:22 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <16r5phINN4nd@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>Last but not least: Colombia. The way the WC is structured, 66% of the teams
>make it to the second round. Colombia too made it : they tied Germany (el gol
>del milagro), lost to Yugoslavia and defeated a team of tourists from the United
>Arab Emirates.In their first palyoff game they lost: to Cameroon, 1-2.
>
El gol del milagro? Are you trying to say that Colombia tying with
Germany was only due to luck? Come on, Colombia played an excellent
game against Germany and had plenty of scoring opportunities (like
always they had trouble making goals). Against Germany, Colombia
demonstrated that finesse and skill can compete to superior strength
and physical ability.  The goal was far away from a miracle.  If you
ever get to see that game and goal again (actually I have to admit that
I've seen about 50 times) you can see the goal was a very good play that
started from Colombia's penalty box.   Colombia got into scoring
position after a number of quick and well placed passes that confused
the Germans (something they had done throughout the game).

The only miraculous thing about the goal was that it was very near the
end.  The same thing can be said about the German goal, that had come
only about 2 or 3 minutes before.

>Now, no matter how partisan you can be, I do not see how you could possibly
>enroll these facts in the service of the argument you made. South America has
>only two teams that do count: Brazil and Argentina. Commonly known facts simply
>do not support the assertion that any other team of that area is of internatio-
>nal caliber...
>
>Cheers!


If that is your belief because of World Cup results, then I could say
that the only teams of international caliber in Europe are Italy and
Germany, because the others do notdo very well on a regular basis in the
World Cup.
   Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Paraguay, and Uruguay are teams of inter
national caliber and can play any European, African or Asian team and
have a legitimate chance of winning.
>--
>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics
>.
>.
**********************************************************************
Carlos Escobar
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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: English Premier League fixtures wanted
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/ESTEC, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:08:25 GMT


If anyone has a copy of the English Premier League fixtures for 1992/93 (or
the subset concerning Everton) could they please mail me a copy or post them.

Apologies if this has been asked before.

Regards,


Chris
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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Dutch predictions
Summary: lunatic
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:55:40 GMT

After seeing the "PTT Telecom Cup match" yesterday evening, I feel ready
to post my predictions for the next season in the Netherlands. Flame
ahead :)

1. and champions Ajax. Normally I support PSV, but the way they played
yesterday... So it'll be Ajax, for a change. Roy might finally manage to
paly consistently well for a whole season. They'll need an early exit
from Europe though, so Austria Salzburg will prove too much...

2. and cup winners PSV. One doesn't like Ajax to win the double, after all.
BTW, who's this right back Faber? 

3. Feyenoord. No other team could finish above them, though it's a pity
thugs like De Wolf and Fraeser will be shown in Europe yet again.

4. FC Twente. It'll be hard without Numan, but it's their turn for a European
adventure again.

5. RKC. Get a little better every year, and as they seem to have supporters in
the UK... It's to be hoped they won't play any UEFA Cup matches in Waalwijk
though, but surely Olympia can't meet UEFA standards?

To miss out on Europe: Vitesse (playing three round UEFA will cost them too 
many points), FC Groningen (disappointment about being eliminated by Vac will
cost too many points), and FC Utrecht (lack firepower up front).

The rest plays against relegation.
Prime candidates for last place must be BVV Den Bosch. With their present squad
(that is, what I saw two weeks ago, but surely nothing dramatic has happened
since then) they're lucky to reach double figures in their points total. 
However, they are my sentimental favourites. So, I'll predict they'll lose
their first three matches with a goals aggregate of 0-20, the board comes to
its senses, buys three decent players, and by an incredible amount of luck
they'll reach 15th place.
Instead, Cambuur/Leeuwarden (who should be playing Heerenveen in front of
15,000 singing Fryslan boppe) and Go Ahead Eagles (how did they get there
in the first place) will be relegated directly. Sixteenth will be SVV/Dordrecht
'90 (or whatever their current name is), as I still resent (the circumstances
of) this merger.

Promoted to the PTT Telecompetitie will be AZ (it's about time) and RBC (as
the annual novice going up). NAC will surely manage to screw up somehow again,
so it'll be left to VVV to oust SVV/Dordt '90 in the promotion/relegation
matches.

Finally, if there's any justice left in this world, Elinkwijk will bounce back
to their rightful place in the Hoofdklasse A, PVCV will be promoted to the
2e klasse B in district West II, and VV De Meern relegated to the afdeling
Utrecht.
-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Polska liga, round 2
Summary: Results of Polish League
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:48:41 GMT


Polska liga, round 2.


1) GKS KATOWICE - LECH POZNAN 1:3 (1:0)
   Szewczyk  '8     Rzepka       '49
                    Trzeciak     '60
                    Araszkiewicz '66


2) STAL MIELEC - L~KS L~ODZ 1:1 (1:0)
   Czyrek   '22     Cebula       '67


3) WIDZEW L~ODZ - ZAWISZA BYDGOSZCZ 2:1 (1:0)
   Czerwiec  '13    Chwial~kowski '77
   Myslinski '88


4) LEGIA WARSZAWA - SIARKA TARNOBRZEG 2:0 (1:0)
   Czykier   '38 (penalty)
   Sliwowski '61


5) OLIMPIA POZNAN - JAGIELLONIA BIAL~YSTOK 1:1 (0:0)
   Motylinski '66    Ostrowski '79


6) RUCH CHORZOW - WISL~A KRAKOW 2:1 (1:1)
   Gilewicz   '1     Gal~uszka '26
   Gilewicz  '62


7) GORNIK ZABRZE - ZAGL~E,BIE LUBIN 3:1 (0:1)
   ?         '52     Dylus     '41
   ?         '60
   Jegor     '68


8) SLA,SK WROCL~AW - SZOMBIERKI BYTOM 3:3 (0:2)
   Gal~kowski '51    Swistek    '32
   Ilski      '59    Krygier    '45
   Basow      '90    Krygier    '65 (penalty)


9) HUTNIK KRAKOW - POGON SZCZECIN 3:0 (1:0)
   Kasperczyk '23
   We,grzyn   '52
   Waligora   '63


TABLE :
=======

    Team           Points      Goals
---------------------------------------
 1. Lech            4-0         6:2
 2. Ruch            4-0         5:1
 3. Widzew          4-0         3:1
 4. Hutnik          3-1         5:2
 5. Legia           3-1         3:1
 6. Gornik          2-0         3:1
 7. Wisl~a          2-2         3:2
 8. L~KS            2-2         2:2
 9. Zagl~e,bie      2-2         3:4
10. Olimpia         1-1         1:1
11. Szombierki      1-3         3:4
    Zawisza         1-3         3:4
13. Jagiellonia     1-3         2:3
14. Sla,sk          1-3         4:6
15. Stal            1-3         1:3
16. Katowice        0-2         1:3
17. Siarka          0-2         0:2
18. Pogon           0-4         0:6

Cheers!

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.


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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch team-names (was: Dutch competition)
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:07:46 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

In <1992Aug19.221236.5291@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:

+ collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
+ 
+ >PSV were founded in 1913 as the Philips company football team and the
+ >name PSV stands for Philips Sports Vereniging (ie Philips Sports Club).
+ 
+ >PSV claim that changing their name to Philips SV is simplying reverting
+ >back to their original name

Another stupid reason was also put forward by PSV-management.
They said that foreigners thought PSV stood for "Polizei Sport Verein".

+ 
+ >Others (mostly fans of Ajax and Feyenoord) claim that this is just
+ >blatant advertising on the part of Philips and PSV and that if this goes
+ >on soon we will have matches like "Philips SV  .vs.   Ford Rotterdam" or
+ >" Ajax Cleaning Liquid   .vs.   Toyota  Haarlem".
+ 
+ It seems to me that PSV has a strong case here with Philips being a part of
+ the name. It can be compared to the German clubs Bayer 04 Leverkusen and
+ Bayer 05 Uerdingen (Bayer is a large medical/chemical coorperation).
+ 
+ But the other teams have a point: company names in team names is something
+ to be avoided - we can start with Ajax Amsterdam ...

Unlikely, hundreds of driving-schools, snacks-bars, cafees, shops, etc.
in the Watergraafsmeer-area would have to change their name to
keep up their allegiance to the team.

+ -- 
+ Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
+ rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
+                     We'll be back

joost.

-- 
Joost Schraag          e-mail: schraag@fwi.uva.nl          ICBM: 52.22`N 04.54`E
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