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From: news@torn.onet.on.ca (News)
Subject: torn news summary, Dec 23 1992
Original-Message-Id: <92Dec23.081415est.58391@torn.onet.on.ca>
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:14:06 GMT

News log summary from Dec 22 07:11:12 to Dec 23 07:07:48

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From: root@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Operator)
Subject: UofNB NNTP summary
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:02:22 GMT

NNTP stats for csd.unb.ca  from Dec 25 02:06:17 to Dec 26 02:01:46.

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From: news@nott.onet.on.ca (News)
Subject: nott news summary, Dec 31 1992
Original-Message-Id: <92Dec31.081323est.441730@nott.onet.on.ca>
Original-To: news-reports
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:13:10 GMT

News log summary from Dec 30 07:11:13 to Dec 31 07:08:42

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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:08:26 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1380

From article <1992Dec19.204155.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca
John LaRocque "observes" :-
> 
> .....
>
> the only difference between the USA and English Canada is the favourite
> sport to watch on the weekend (hockey/football). Look at pop music.
> Look at cinema. Look even at the politicians. The ONLY difference between
> Canada and the USA is that one geographical region (Quebec) has an
> overwhelming majority of French speaking people. 
> 

Oh dear, John, you will get some criticism for this.

> After the Conquest, we were canadiens and you were British. After
> Confederation, we were canadiens francais and you were British Canadians.

Here is a contradiction, for starters.
"British" and "British Canadian" are terms that are mutually exclusive with
the terms "American" and "Yankee".


And the "beer" is different! (Though not much, speaking as a "Brit"!) :-)


There are many cultural differences between USA & Canada. There are many
cultural differences between Canada & Britain. "English" Canadian culture
lies somewhere between the two, no?




-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: Re: reform party of canada
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.4112.13781@dosgate> "thomas corbett" <thomas.corbett@canrem.com> writes:
>Is there anybody out there with a knowledge of or any interest in The
>Reform Party of Canada? I don't care if you agree with this party and
>think they are the best thing to happen since sliced bread (brown of
>course)or the scourge of the earth. I would like to know what your
>opinions of the party are, either on specific issues or generally.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044


Not again.
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: (election) Re: reform party of canad
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:50:04 GMT

In article <199226.4112.13851@dosgate> "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com> writes:
> -=> On 12-23-92  14:32, Jim Robinson wrote to All <=-
> JR> My *current* prediction is that the Reform Party will take 20 to 30
> JR> seats in the next election. How they do after that is up to how they
> JR> perform in Parliament.
>
> A prediction I have heard, and which has some currency, is that Reform
> could take that many seats in Western Canada, the Bloc Quebecois could
> run away with Quebec's seats, and the Conservatives come out a close third
> in a three-way split of the other seats. The tories then make a deal with
> the RP & BQ, form a government, and we are back with Mulroney for a
> third term.

well, I can imagine FAR worse scenarios than that. At least this scenario
balances the West, Quebec, and retains/strenghthens the fiscal conservatism
we need to preserve.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  
 Electrical Engineering                 |   .sig file without a cause
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca              VE7JPM |  
________________________________________|_________________________________
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: rob@bcarh475.bnr.ca (Rob Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Pro British is not anti French (Was: Legalized ...)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:11:24 GMT

In posting <1992Dec22.175553.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> the lifeform 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) said:
>In article <1992Dec21.214845.902@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>> Pro-British education is not anti-French.
>
>No, but it is not nice to kick somebody when their down and say, "hahaha,
>you lost 1759 and we're proud of it"...
 ^^^      ****     ^^

   That battle was 233 years ago - the "We" and the "They" no longer exist.
In any event, it was the British vs French, not CHQ vs Quebec.
Besides, can't I admire a good military victory without "kicking" somebody?
Some of my ancestors were shmucked along with Bonnie Prince Charlie.  It
was, however, a good victory by the English.  I don't feel "kicked" if
someone mentions the defeat and I most certainly don't feel "down".

   Can't we all, just for once, look to the future and forget the past?

Rob the QHQ (Quebecois Hors Quebec)
Rob Sutherland
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada 
{...}!uunet!bnrgate!bcarh475!rob  
Xref: sparky can.politics:11109 soc.culture.canada:9686
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:27:53 GMT

Gary L Dare (gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>>[Re: Reagan and Thatcher and spending cuts ...]
>>>>>they threw up their hands halfway through their first terms.
>>>>
>>>>total, unadulterated bull. Reagan's deficits were horrendous all
>>>>through his terms.
>>>
>>>That's what I meant.  Slow down and read more carefully next time.
>>
>>bull that's what you meant. slow down and *think* more carefully next time.
>>
>>you put Reagan and Thatcher in the same class as "fiscal
>>conservatives". Thatcher was. Reagan was not. Reagan never *was*. 

>However, numerous guests from the Republican and Libertarian side
>on CNN Crossfire persist in that notion, and that is the general
>impression that has been left on people.  John C. Whitehead, who
>is now a senior partner at Goldman Sachs, former undersecretary
>in the Reagan State Dept. and the chairman of the foundation that
>runs the private grad dormitory that I live in has expressed that
>viewpoint in his speeches and directly to me over drinks.

Gotta go w/ Charles on this one: Reagan was as much a fiscal conservative
as was David Peterson; the only difference being on which area(s) to spend
like a banshee - military or social. Gary, would I be wrong if I guessed
that Mr Whitehead is one of the Reagan-can-do-no-wrong Republicans?

As an aside, it has been suggested that Reagan and co know that his "voodoo
economics" would produce massive deficits, but that was fine and even
desirable; the reason being that by the time the chickens came home to
roost the Republicans would have already firmly entrenched their spending
objectives (largely military), but with no fiscal room to maneuver it would
be almost impossible for a future Democratic administration to increase
social spending. Don't know how much currency to put in this theory, but it
is interesting.

-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Robert Bourasssa (was Re: Henri Bourassa)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.212445.822@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:

> What politician said "nous avons suspendu les liberte's fondamentales"?
> [trans: "we have suspended fundamental liberties" (lit.)]
> Hint: He banned the use of any language other than French on commercial
> signs in Quebec. He also requested the use of the armed forces, not on
> one -  but on two very distinctly separate occasions, to control civil
> unrest in the province.

Robert Bourassa is a lying weasel. And to think that there are people out
there that actually trust the man and would vote for him? He lies to
English Quebecers on the bilingual sign issue, then he lies to Quebecers
as a whole as to what he wants at "the bargaining table", and when he
comes back naked, we are all supposed to thank him for his brilliant
bargaining skills. This is a leader that Quebec doesn't need. He lies,
he cheats, and you can never pin him down on anything. After he abandonned
the fall referendum on sovereignty, I knew that he was worse scum that 
I had previously thought. And especially after all those promises.
Bourassa = lying sack of shit. Dump him. Vote Parti Quebecois, vote
Rhinocerous, vote Equality. But don't vote Liberal. A party for old
people who are afraid of change and a party that shits on the younger
generation. A party that loves and embraces Robert Bourassa.

> -- 
>   ///==================================================================\\\
>   ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>   ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>   |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Xref: sparky can.politics:11120 soc.culture.canada:9696 can.general:6193
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada,can.general
Subject: Happy 1993 chums
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 05:56:18 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Happy New Year fellow Canadians!!

I llok forward to an election year in which Mulroney will be toppled.

And remember a good Republican is a dead one!

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F)
Subject: Re: Council of Canadians?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec5.162328.18813@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <723512997snx@dale.CAM.ORG> dale@dale.CAM.ORG (Dale Wharton) writes:
>>   The newsletter _Canadian Perspectives_ gives a number of reasons to
>>withdraw from the FTA (and refuse NAFTA).  To get a free copy of the
>>current issue, write, phone, or fax the COC:
>>
>
>Since Mexico joined the GATT in the mid-eighties, it essentially has
>one-way free trade with Canada already...Mexico's barriers to our
>goods and services will go down more with NAFTA, than ours, which
>are already lower with respect to Mexico because of GATT.
>
The fact is that the COC is terribly biased against figures which are
evidence that the FTA is good even in the recession which Brian did not
create (did he?) Gerald here has hit upon the irhgt repsonse to the horrible
biased COC.

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: re: reform party of canad
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: can
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:12:08 EST

 -=> On 12-21-92  18:06, Thomas Corbett wrote to All <=-

 TC> think they are the best thing to happen since sliced bread (brown of
 TC> course)or the scourge of the earth. I would like to know what your
 TC> opinions of the party are, either on specific issues or generally.

 OK, I'll bite.
 I think the Reform Party panders to people's fears by posing real
 problems and offering simpistic solutions. It has deliberately
 made itself attractive to bigots, which is not to say that everyone
 who would vote for it is a bigot. During the referendum campaign it
 showed itself to be quite comfortable with the politics of sleaze and
 deceit.
 Like Social Credit, it will hang out on the fringe and then wither
 away.

... Be kind to dinosaurs - take a Reformer to lunch
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 16:58:05 PST
Distribution: can
Organization: Robert Smits

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

> 
> The general public is under that impression because of propaganda
> from the left and from the rich.  The left is absolutely stupid...
> they argue for a progressive tax system...but since they are never
> in power, it is never imposed...and the rich who are in power,
> institute a tax system which looks progressive, but is riddled
> with loopholes...and creates unproductive and wasteful jobs for
> bureaucrats, lawyers, and accountants.  The way to get the rich
> to pay taxes is to have flat taxes.  The majority loses from
> a progressive tax system...not gains.  
> 
> Gerald


You mean that, because the left has never been in power (I presume you 
mean federally) it's their fault that the rich have a tax system 
advantageous to the rich?

I agree with your assessment of the present tax system, but I'm more
pessimistic than you about the ability of the rich to evade taxes, flat 
rate or not.

emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)

Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels 
instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:12:03 GMT

In article <13772@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.112132.7592@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>] [whining]
>
>Makes sense to me. Why the hell would anyone immigrate to a
>francophone society to live in english. It the pursuit of the
>imperialistic european behaviour. It's the heritage of centuries of
>colonianism. Individuals think that the society must adapt to them
>rather than the opposite.
>

What an ironic statement!

Evil anglo imperialists are trying to disrupt the peaceful, 'native'
French society.

Oh pleeeeeese. The French practically invented imperialism and colonialism!

this (slightly dirty) past history should be more of a bond between French 
and English.  After all, we share the same heritage of political and 
philosophical liberalism and humanism, and values of art, science, music, 
etc. that we've enlightened the world with.

>
[various stuff on rights]

>To my knowledge, it doesn't include language. The U.N. declaraion does
>not say that the State must provide english education to immigrants.

you should ponder the fact that the State does not give you rights: you
already have rights. Any modern State worth fighting to preserve has 
the *State's* rights given to it by the PEOPLE, NOT the other way around!

>-- 
>                                                       Francois Audet
>                                                           '
>        Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754     Facsimile: (613) 592-4784
>                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  
 Electrical Engineering                 |   .sig file without a cause
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca              VE7JPM |  
________________________________________|_________________________________
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:32:33 GMT

In article <HJwgwB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>
>I agree with your assessment of the present tax system, but I'm more
>pessimistic than you about the ability of the rich to evade taxes, flat 
>rate or not.
>
>emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)
>
>Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels 
>instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne

The rich can always evade taxes by moving if not legally within the country
so you can never really accomplish a system that taxes everything. Of course
they have money to set up trust funds, etc. but for most, the mobility is
the real saviour. A flat tax would make our country more productive since we
know that if we work harder, we will actually get to keep 90% (or 80%) of
the proceeds, which is a pretty good incentive, isn't it?