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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Messages on rec.arts.startrek (was STNG episode about homosexuality)
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:30:54 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <BuMo37.tv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I have a cunning plan...) writes:
>
>I have a question.....WHY does this pop up all the time?
>
>
>In article <4083@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes...
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Vidiot is a machine in Wisconsin, I believe.  Every time somebody
posts to the DEAD newsgroup rec.arts.startrek, the above message is
posted to the DEAD newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.  The only way to stop
it is to not post to the DEAD newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.

rec.arts.startrek is DEAD.  Please don't post to the newsgroup.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: Mutiny on the Holodeck
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:21:06 GMT

I was throwing a plot idea around in my head and I had a question that might
be able to start another holodeck discussion.  

My idea in a nutshell:  The Big-E conducts another exercise to prepare
for a Borg invasion (that is, if the Borg don't pay attention to the events
in "I Hugh."  Here's the scenario:  the Borg have assimilated Romulans and
now have knowledge of Romulan tehnology, such as cloaking devices.  The
senior officers decide to run simulations on the Holodeck (for a reason
I really haven't thought of yet, they just do).  They reconstruct a perfect
replica of the bridge and begin war exercises.  Given the fact that the 
holodeck replicates matter, and in theory can replicate actual 
instrumentation that works (I'm using the events in "A Matter of Perspective"
as a reference), would it be possible for a mutinous crewmember to use 
the bridge on the holodeck to take over the ship?

There it is....comments welcome.  Just thought it might be an interesting
topic to discuss.
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  ///  \\\     Calvin College            man has gone before....but I'll
 ///    \\\ Grand Rapids, MI 49546       probably stay in Aurora."  --Garth
From: deanh@unix386.Convergent.COM (Dean Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Rosalind Chao (Keiko O'Brien) on Murphy Brown?
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:03:32 GMT
Organization: Unisys/Convergent, San Jose, CA

obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:

>I forgot to watch the credits closely, but I'm pretty sure she was
>one of the other pregnant ladies in tonight's rerun of Murphy Brown's
>Lamaze(sp?) class.

Are you sure she wasn't the actress who played the wife of the black
guy on Night Court?  She didn't look like Keiko to me.  For what its worth.
Dean
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From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: A Silly Top 10 List
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <14SEP92.13062414@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:

You'r right noone reads your lists :-}

|> 
|> 	Sorry for missing last week--my college was installing a new computer 
|> system in a new building and the news connection was down all of last week.
|> 	For those of you people new to this newsgroup, I am Noel Tominack from 
|> the University of Maryland Baltimore County.  I am continuing the tradition of 
|> posting a Silly Top 10 list every Monday, an idea started by Dave Kimball 
|> somewhere in New Hampshire (and who I hope will take it over again).  I hope 
|> you all like them.
|> 	So from the home office in Arbutus Maryland, we bring you
|> 
|> TOP 10 MYSTERIES OF STAR TREK
|> 
|> 10.  Why are Geordi's best freinds and android and a Borg?
|> 
|> 9.  How come after 73 episodes of TOS, 6 movies and 126 episodes of TNG--
|>     we have yet to see a bathroom or somone using it?
|> 
|> 8.  Whatever happened to all those planets Kirk visited where he violated
|>     the prime directive?
|> 
|> 7.  Why would any TOS character want to appear in a TNG episode with the 
|>     title "Relics"?
|> 
|> 6.  How come the cast of TNG sued to stop blooper reels but not "Cost of 
|>     Living"?
|> 
|> 5.  Why does the Enterprise have a French Captian with an English accent?
|> 
|> 4.  Who was Leonard Nimoy buying the 5 Shuttlecraft ornaments for anyway?
|> 
|> 3.  How come Starfleet can make something sophisticated as the Enterprise
|>     yet still not get Picard's uniform to fit right?
|> 
|> 2.  Why are the Romulains still putting up with Sela?
|> 
|> and the number one Mystery of Star Trek
|> 
|> 1.  If they really do read the newsgroups, what do they think of my lists?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Short question about Lt.Sa
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 08:53:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Kellie!

[kms] If they had gone ahead and used Saavik in ST:TUC (ST6) instead of

... it would have been lots worse!
Though I'm glad it's not (my) Saavik, it would have worked perfectly! Not,
that I would have liked it, it's worse than having Spock dying in ST II
(and =I= then knew nothing about a possibility for ST III or a return or
anything of fandom, it really hit me unprepared).
But having Catrall being the third Saavik, oh, no! Kirstie did such a good
job (just the eyebrows were wrong, the first thing I noted), there can be
no other Saavik, not even Curtis, who was now in two movies!

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:09:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Julia!

[jek] [sorry for the previous imcomplete post...one of my cats decided to help
      and jumped on the keyboard...]
Oh! You're owned by cats? I know this! Grin ...

Oh, btw, could you make your sig just one char shorter per line? Then it would
look like it should on my screen ... (not only your's, don't take me wrong).
Just one char less per line!

Oyori - Sem [grinning in Northern Germmmmmmmkjpizp - Tabby, get OFF here]
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Luxana Alert
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:38:44 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Sep8.180614.1101@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> In article <1992Sep5.052353.19569@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
> 
>>At a recent script-writer's seminar put on to guide fan script submissions
>>that was organized and hosted by Paramount, she was described as "Auntie
>>Mame."  While there are some similarities, the difference is that Auntie
>>Mame was fun. This character is forced and contrived and not fun or funny.
>>If this character did not already exist, would anyone vote to invent her?
>>Not I.
> 
> You've hit the nail on the head.  Her character is tiresome, contrived
> and trite.  I feel as though I'm being begged to find the humor in her
> lines.  It's embarassing.
> 
> 
> There's a word to describe it.  Can you say "nepotism"?  
> 
> I knew you could.
> 
> Has the production staff recieved positive comments on Luxana's
> character, or is she like so many other fan-loathed aspects of
> TNG....Berman et al don't care what the audience thinks, _they_ like the
> idea?
> 
> Every time she makes one of those "surprise entrances" at the beginning
> of the episode, she's introduced in a manner that suggests "ta da!
> Luxana's going to be in this one!" almost as though the expected
> audience reaction is supposed to be "Yeeahh!  I _love_her_ character!".
> 
> Mmmm.  Not.  From me, it usually ellicits "is there anything else on
> tonight?"
> 
  Guys, take it to alt.luwaxana.troi.die.die.die.  _PLEASE!_ :)

                                          -Drizzt
From: 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: A Silly Top 10 List
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:59:13 GMT

In article <14SEP92.13062414@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
> 
> 	/deleted/
> 
> TOP 10 MYSTERIES OF STAR TREK
> 
> 10.  Why are Geordi's best freinds and android and a Borg? 
        Because they 'turn him on'...or is it the other way around? ;^)

> 9.  How come after 73 episodes of TOS, 6 movies and 126 episodes of TNG--
>     we have yet to see a bathroom or somone using it?
>      The book 'Battlestations' has a main character that has to use the
       head at a crucial moment,(other various books mention it also) 
       and in TNG, the episode where the terra-formers were killing off the
       native life, there WAS mention  of people being locked in the
       bathrooms. Besides, do we REALLY want to see someone using one?
 
> 8.  Whatever happened to all those planets Kirk visited where he violated
>     the prime directive?
        "They're DEAD, Jim!!!"

> 7.  Why would any TOS character want to appear in a TNG episode with the 
>     title "Relics"?
       Why not... just dust 'em off...

> 6.  How come the cast of TNG sued to stop blooper reels but not "Cost of 
>     Living"?
> 
> 5.  Why does the Enterprise have a French Captian with an English accent?
> 
> 4.  Who was Leonard Nimoy buying the 5 Shuttlecraft ornaments for anyway?
> 
> 3.  How come Starfleet can make something sophisticated as the Enterprise
>     yet still not get Picard's uniform to fit right?
> 
> 2.  Why are the Romulains still putting up with Sela?
       Why did the Romulans put up with Yar in the first place??

> and the number one Mystery of Star Trek
> 
> 1.  If they really do read the newsgroups, what do they think of my lists?
--      Dunno if they do, but I love 'em!




Capt. Bequi Horizen, USS Ferryman  
                           
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG episode about homosexuality
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:07:30 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


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In article <kegsSzG00iUy42Un0A@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (David O Hunt) writes:
<>>They did do an episode on homosexuality.  It had some problems (IMO).
<>>A brief plot outline - there is a planet where having a gender identity
<>>is looked on as an illness.  One of the aliens is 'ill' in this manner,
<>>and has a relationship with Riker.  She is found out, and cured via
<>>'psychotectic therapy'.  Riker tries to rescue her, but she's already
<>>been 'cured' and says she's glad she's normal now and she can't understand
<>>why she avoided getting help.  Riker goes away pissed.  End of story.
<> 
<>I'm not sure I'd call that an episode on homosexuality (neuter has a
<>female identity and is attracted to Riker).  Maybe if the alien had a
<>female identity and had been attracted to Dr. Crusher...
<
<I _would_ call it an episode about homosexuality.  Granted, it was masked.
<But if you "read" between the lines it was very clear (IMHO) what was being
<said.
<
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: drwho@wam.umd.edu (Jonathan A. Papillo)
Subject: will trade for addresses
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:33:40 GMT

 

        Hey out there!

        Does anyone out there have the address to Brent Spiner, or his
agent, or whoever I would write to to get an autographed picture?  I also
need the addresses for just about the entire old cast.  I will gladly trade
the addresses that I do have for them.  I don't know if they still send out
autographs in the mail but I would like to try.


                Please email the address and not post them.  It is a lot
easier on this end.

                                Jonathan A. Papillo   <drwho@wam.umd.edu>
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: selfresponsible machines
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:23:11 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher) writes:

> If it can, we should let it. But I don't believe, many people would do that.
> There is another story, dealing with that, written by Isaac Asimov. I only
> know the German title "Der Zweihundertjaehrige" ("The 200 Year Old"). It's
> about a robot, bought to babysit, who turns out to be creative and who has
> to fight 200 years to be accepted as a living being, finally also permitted
> to die. I found it very interesting - and I felt with the "robot".

The original title is "The Bicentennial Man".  The noun in the title is
significant, because Andrew spends most of his life struggling to be
accepted as a man, not a robot.  It's interesting that the noun gets
dropped in translation, because his being a man was at least as
important as his being two hundred years old.

The story won a Hugo, by the way.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:32:21 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <37877@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cmhayes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu writes:

> I dont know about that.  I figure when Roddenberry was trying to
> sell Star Trek he used a means that the American public could realate to.
> He used the USN.  Think about it.  Why use the designation "USS"?
> Why not use "FSS" for Federation Starship?  Or UFPS? 
> And why use the name "Enterprise," "Yorktown" or others from USN
> history?  I believe the USS Entrpise (CVN-65) was commissioned about
> the same time TOS began her own maind voyage.  The public could preceive it as
> the ultimate evolution of the USN.  That's the way I see it and I
> hope it evolves.  
> Chris

  Space fiction has invariably used the naval nomenclature due to the nature
of space travel requiring "vessels" (pronounced "wessels", BTW :-)).  I think
the idea of a "federation" was a semi-afterthought -- the pilot "Where No Man
Has Gone Before" and (I think) "Balance of Terror" kept referring to "Earth
bases" and "Earth colonies" and such.  Coulda been a network thing, though...
(Kirk did say "United Star/Space Ship" at *least* once, though)


semper fi,

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Luxana Alert (was:Re: *** SPOILERS *** TNG Season 6 and DSN
Keywords: creation, TNG, DSN
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:06:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.052353.19569@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:

>At a recent script-writer's seminar put on to guide fan script submissions
>that was organized and hosted by Paramount, she was described as "Auntie
>Mame."  While there are some similarities, the difference is that Auntie
>Mame was fun. This character is forced and contrived and not fun or funny.
>If this character did not already exist, would anyone vote to invent her?
>Not I.

You've hit the nail on the head.  Her character is tiresome, contrived
and trite.  I feel as though I'm being begged to find the humor in her
lines.  It's embarassing.


There's a word to describe it.  Can you say "nepotism"?  

I knew you could.

Has the production staff recieved positive comments on Luxana's
character, or is she like so many other fan-loathed aspects of
TNG....Berman et al don't care what the audience thinks, _they_ like the
idea?

Every time she makes one of those "surprise entrances" at the beginning
of the episode, she's introduced in a manner that suggests "ta da!
Luxana's going to be in this one!" almost as though the expected
audience reaction is supposed to be "Yeeahh!  I _love_her_ character!".

Mmmm.  Not.  From me, it usually ellicits "is there anything else on
tonight?"



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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: chris@bss2.umd.edu (Chris DeJong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Smithsonian exhibit
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:28:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Behavioral and Social Sciences, U of Maryland

Does anyone who lives in the DC area know when the ST exhibit ends (or if 
it has it already ended.)  I remember hearing early September...

Thanks,


Chris
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <79126@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
[...]
>>P.S.  I like ``female humans'' better than ``huwomans''.
>>      Don't create new words when existing words work.
>
>Well, the word for "male human" is "man", and the word for "female human" 
>is "woman".  Don't use more words than are necessary, either.

Oh, yeah!  Well the Klingons say that "man" is short for "male Klingon"
and "woman" is short for "female Klingon".   And the Vulcans say that
"man" is short for "male Vulcan" and "woman" is short for "female
Vulcan".  :-)  :-)  :-)

Wesley is a "male human", but he was not a "man" when the ST:TNG
first started.  Maybe soon...

[...]

>Kip Ingram
>kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


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