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From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Report of the last IPC formation skydiving subcommitee
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:48:02 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <4804@disun49.epfl.ch> moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret) writes:
>Report ot the IPC formation skydiving subcommitee meeting.
>==========================================================
>(Gap, 9th of October 92)
>
>
>Last night at the CMCL (this is a building at Gap), an unofficial meeting of
>the International Parachuting Commitee took place. After presenting it's 
.... deleted...

Yo, Pierre! Thanks for posting this. Great info!


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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Skydiving Video's
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: zia.1992Oct9.172202.911
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <Bvuzqv.BqB@virtech.uucp>
  mark@vti.com writes:
>Jim Beutel (beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
>: Does any one out there know of any really good VHS
>: videos' for rent or purchase...?
>
>They have a short list of VHS's, movies, that sort of thing.  The 'wally'
>videos are pretty good/funny.  There are instructional ones there too.

As far as general skydiving videos go, I think that _From Wings Came
Flight_ should get special mention.  Norman Kent's stuff is good, period,
but this one in particular is the best overview of the sport that I've
seen.  The Wally stuff is fun, but as far as I'm concerned this is in a
different class.  I've heard that _Flight of the Dream Team_ is pretty
good, but not as good as FWCF.  _Kinesthesia_ is good for learning basic
RW; there is a lot there, and it takes you from the very beginning.  I sure
can't do everything in there yet.  _Skydive 101_ is aimed at the more
serious 4-way RW competitor.  It starts assuming that you can do basic
4-way, and hammers on a number of drills at a very detailed level.  If
that's what you're into, it's good.  Otherwise it's pretty boring.  I like
watching Mike McGowan's stuff, but I find his editing a little brisk at
times.  Often I'll see a flash of something interesting and then it's gone.
I find myself saying "wait -- go back!  Show me more of that...."  It's fun
to watch because it is so fast paced, but not very good for learning or
teaching.  Good background at skydiver parties.  For more exotic stuff,
_Traveling II_ is wonderful.  (I've never seen _Travelling_, but I think II
is better.  Certainly more exotic.)  And then there are the various
competition videos, for the specialties.  The World Freestyle videos are
pretty reasonably priced, if you want to learn some of that.

BTW, has anyone seen _Proof_?  I'm told that this is the original short
that the skydiving scene in _Fandango_ was based on.  How does it stack up
against the full length version?  I'm told that the skydiving is actually
"better".

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From: egz@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Fast King Air
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:37:04 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Bill Caefer writes about Mike Mullins' King Air

> r> He has the fastest climbing jumpship (not counting the 727 :-)  ),
> r> although sometimes is takes a bit more than 7 minutes to get to 14000'.
>
>Yeah, but now there's a little competition too.  Larry Hill has put the big
>engines on his King Air also.     

Great!
The 99$ boogies are becoming more and more crowded. Mike didn't have
financial reason to decrease the crowd because he didn't have competition.
We were discussing it 3 1/2 weeks ago on the boogie, not knowing
that the solution is this close. If Larry is going to do boogies,
it will decrease the crowd, and breaks the monopoly.

  Zoltan
From: myounce@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Younce)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving GIF's
Summary: Skydiving GIF ftp sites wanted!
Keywords: Skydive, GIF
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:48:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I know this was recently asked, but I'll ask again.  Does anyone know of any
ftp sites that have skydiving GIF's?  I'm especially interested in pictures
that would be good backgrounds for Windows.

Thanks for any help,
Mike
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From: peterl@devvax.mincom.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: <None>
Summary: LED LIGHTS FOR DYTTERS
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:35:26 GMT
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia

In reply to jvilhube@diana.cair.du(Jan Vilhuber), RE:LED light on a Dytter.

The set-up for the light is actually on a camera sight(ring).It was made with
camera-persons in mind with a small red flashing light for the Dytter and 
a second, green light to let them know that the video is turned on.Funnily
enough there are camera-people around that exit with their camera off!!!

The whole set-up comes with the dytter,leads,sight,etc,etc and costs a small
fortune. There was an article in "Skydiver" about 3 months ago on the system.

Hope this lends some light to your LED problem(sorry!could'nt help myself)


       Fluro
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Fast King Air
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:39:06 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!vax5.cit.cornell.edu!egz

 r> About the WFF report not mentioning the owner of "The 
 r> Fast Climbing King Air":
 r> It looks like USPA is negatively discriminating against Mike Mullins,
 r> because his son (14 yrs now) is jumping. His son is not USPA member.
 r> He has the fastest climbing jumpship (not counting the 727 :-)  ),
 r> although sometimes is takes a bit more than 7 minutes to get to 14000'.

Yeah, but now there's a little competition too.  Larry Hill has put the big engines on his King Air also.


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Bungee vs. Skydiving
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:15:30 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!tegan.jsc.nasa.gov!horn

 r> In article <1108.2ACD24AD@ehsnet.fidonet.org> 
 r> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:

Not really, it was me and that's not my address.  It's Hector's I think.

> r> Kinda like the difference between riding on a Merry-Go-Round and going
> r> horseback riding.
>
>Hahaha!  ROFL!

 r> Ok, I'll bite.  What does ROFL mean?

Rolling On Floor Laughing.

One of the common acronyms in the Fidonet world.  Some others are BTW - By The Way and IMHO - In My Honest (sometimes Humble) Opinion.


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From: ssl@Siri.Unit.NO (Sigmund S. Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: paragliding down-under
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:01:24 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Even though this is for skydiving I'm hoping to reach paragliders in Australia,
and also anywhere else in the world. Planning to spend the winter-94 down-under,
basically doing nothing else than soaring up in the sky during the days and maybe
drink a few beers during evenings. How about it, do you wanna come along ? Well,
I'm grateful for any good tip about good flying sites. Actually, anything at all
that might be useful for me. That's about it for now. See you in the sky!
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:06:48 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!henche

>               rounds                                  squares
>       #jumps          #mal                    #jumps          #mal
>
>  Philip 50              1                       1200            8
>  henchel 0              0                       42              0

 r> Okay, so I'm still a pup with only 42 jumps, but I haven't had a reserve
 r> ride yet.

You're doing better than Philip. ;)


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From: mstack@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Martin Stack)
Subject: Re: Canopies
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:21:01 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Oct15.085835.15942@prl.philips.nl> schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G) writes:
>interesting viewpoints of course, naturally - whew!). It was about getting
>a Sabre with less wingload than normal, to make flight somewhat easier (in
>view of my limited experience). The argumentation was as follows:

>- when I want something else I can sell the Sabre for a (very?) good price.
>How does this sound to you? Any opinions?

   I don't know if this will get through but.  Yes They last longer but if you
notice most people are loading sabres to get the performance out of them.  If
you get a sabre to large you will probably out grow it before you are ready to
buy a new canopy or able to buy a new rig  $2600 is a big chuck of money.
   A friend of mine bought a Sabre 170/175, I forget the sizes that big, with
30 jumps.  Sure it lands nice but we all get that itch to push ourselves and 
he is wanting a smaller canopy.  My question is . Is that extra $300-500 dollarsworth the learning experience.  
   As to selling it for a very good price.  I am sure that is true BUT
 you have to have a buyer willing and able to pay your price



>Gerhard 


P.S.   All my Opinions -- No Flames Please  :) 


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From: mnl@ukc.ac.uk (M.N.Leonard)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:52:26 GMT
Reply-To: mnl@ukc.ac.uk (M.N.Leonard)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Sep30.131345.12375@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh) writes:
>>>		rounds					squares
>>>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>>>
>          35             0                        310           1

Mike Leonard 
Univ of Kent
Canterbury
Kent
England
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Malfunction Rate Poll (was: RE: number of jumps)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:23:57 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <BELBOZ.92Oct7094836@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu> belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt) writes:
>In article <16067@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
>(Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>
>   In article <BvpzJK.8HI@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
>   writes:
>
>   >free-packing (no bag or line stows!), or just no line stows.  
>   >A fella I used to know jumped one of these.  I believe it's nickname
>   >was the "coil of death."
>
>	Someone we knew bounced from this.  The lines got tangled
>   around one of the container flaps and the resulting horseshoe ate
>   the reserve.  Everyone stopped free-stowing after that.
>
>Someone I know bounced and lived in exactly that way -- one line
>around a container flap, looked like a spinning 'function, chopped it,
>stayed attached, reserve fired into the mess... lived through it, and
>still jumps. Lucky guy.


I used to pack like this, too.  I used a ~10" strap tacked to the tail
of my Pegasus to hold the canopy closed with a single locking loop.
When I went to a Firefly, I continued to use the same strap - which
was too large.  The canopy would slip out of the strap before line
stretch and start opening.  Needless to say, being young and foolish,
I viewed this as a "feature" - nice quick openings.  

Unfortunately, it over stressed the canopy fabric and the suspension lines,
and after about 100 jumps, broke 2 lines below the cascades and blew
a 5 foot hole (rip) in the center cell topskin.  I knew something
was amiss when I saw the lines trailing.  The canopy was squirrely
but I landed it ok.  In fact, the Flyer I used the rest of the day
actually landed me harder!

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: New CRW Record!
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:08:37 GMT

Could someone get a GIF made of the completed formation and post it to
skydive.eng.ufl.edu (the skydive GIF site)?
That would be cool.

Tim
.

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: Canopies
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:58:45 GMT

My favorite canopy by far was a Falcon 195. I weigh 150 ungeared, had
about 80 jumps when I jumped it. Opened great, flew great, turned fast
without losing lots of altitude, landed super. Then again, I've only 
a few different canopies, this the only one under 200 ft^2. Besides a
Sabre 190 which was lost altitude really fast, which I don't like. My
preferences are also pretty abnormal around here, so this is useless
advice, perhaps.
Tim
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: High birds?
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:56:46 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!cse.ucsc.edu!andy

 r>   Someone said they thought they hiyt a bird at 3500 feet... what you a
 r>   bird be doing flying that high? I mean it seems like a waste of
 r>   energy. Anyone up on bird behavior? Do they really fly that high?

Yes, absolutely.  And I've seen butterflies at over 1,000 too.

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Subject: Jumping in Montana
From: <RES140@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:18:35 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

I moving out to Montana in May and I was wondering if there were any good
places to go to skydive out there.  Being new to the sport and from
Pennsylvania I am completely unfamiliar with skydiving in that area of the
country.  I would appreciate any help you could give me.

                                                        Romey

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: eap@aplpy.jhuapl.edu ()
Subject: Yellow Bananna ??
Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:52:08 GMT

Has anyone ever heard of a DZ that has a DC3 called 
"The Yellow Bannana" or something like this???????



Eric A. Perozziello                                 (__)
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Night Jumps/Misc.
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:49:12 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol

 r> land. A few weeks ago I made a jump after sunset, a dusk jump, and 
 r> while I didn't think it was much darker than my first SL jump, I 
 r> landed two feet lower than I thought I was going to, and it hurt.
 r> My depth perception was horrible. Maybe I just new glasses..

I don't think glasses make much (or any) difference.  On your daytime jumps you should try and notice what you are actually using for depth cues.  Try and imagine what each landing would be like if it was dark.  Land near something easy to see, or lights.  Follow someone else maybe.  Don't try a super-duper landing, play it safe like a student landing.  It might be worth just comming in at half brakes if you can't really tell.  Just a suggestion.  But I have no trouble at all with them anymore, so whatever






 the trick is, it CAN be learned.

BTW, my flight instructor was REAL impressed with my night landings... <G>


 r> BTW, what do they mean by 'able to jumpmaster other licensed skydivers'?
 r> If I organize a load and say 'OK, we're going to the top, I'm spotting,
 r> breakoff at 4,000', open at 2'500', jumpers are reminded that landing in
 r> the Red Zone is prohibited, I'm pin-checking you floaters', am I jump
 r> mastering? 

Yes.  And I've been in clubs which require a jumpmaster on every load.  This position could only be held by C and D holders.

 r> Or what? I can't jumpmaster another licensed skydiver until I
 r> have a C, but then students aren't licensed, so it doesn't mean that I'm
 r> potentially qualified to throw dope ropers out, I don't get it.

Yes it does.  It only means that A and B holders can't, but C and D holders CAN.  (With appropriate rating).

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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: EXPERIENCE
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 18:58:35 GMT

In article <86zY02rx24OE01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drf40@cd.amdahl.com writes:
>
>		EXPERIENCE - 10/2/92
>
>	Splash of the wind, against the face.
>		Looking up to security, down toward the ground.
>			Suspended in animation, a surge of adrenaline.
>				Gutted sensations, devoid of reason.
>		
>				Fascination for flight.
>			Sensory overload.
>		Shock to the system.
>	Skydiving.	
>-- 

Aaahhhh .... Good poem. Thanks .. Skratch :-)



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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Canopies
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:02:02 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Oct15.085835.15942@prl.philips.nl> schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G) writes:
>First of all, thanks to those who responded to my question about a new
>canopy. It showed me that choosing a new canopy isn't going to be easy 
>(and I'm not even talking about the colours yet!).

Speaking of colors :-), you can save yourself months of waiting by settling
for an 'off the shelf' canopy. If you call around you'd be amazed at the variety
of canopy colors dealers already have. I didn't want to wait the 19 weeks when
I bought my cruiselite so I shopped around. I found a color scheme that I 
actually preferred to my original plan (I've never been good at visualizing
these things.).



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From: karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:45:01 GMT
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In rec.skydiving, sharpe@cs.UAlberta.CA (Al Sharpe) writes:

>In article <20330016@hpgrla.gr.hp.com> karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm) writes:

><some stuff deleted>

>>many square feet is the main?).  My first rig was a wonderhog with a 26 lopo
>>reserve, with a 200 sq. ft. STRATOSTAR main.  The rig was purchased for 
>I did my first (and many subsequent) square jump on the "strato-rock".  I
>thought it was only 170 (maybe 180) sq. ft.  I know it is kinda off the topic
>of Karen's post, but am I wrong or were there just different sizes of the
>"'rock"?  I don't think there were.

I'm not really sure.  You might be right, the strato-star may be only 180 
sq. ft.
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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: Setting DYTERS 
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.051136.3641@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au> Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees) writes:
>
>I have a similar clock.  Generally we jump out of cessna at 10k, but once
>a month or so we get a twin otter, & jump from 14k.  The first couple of
>otter jumps sees me checking my alti at 6-7k, thinking dump time is
>approaching.

I once spent a few months jumping out of cesnas from 8000'.  One time
we got an otter in and my first jump from it was a 6-way from 14000'
right on dusk.  During the freefall my clock went off, I looked at my
alti and read 2000'.  I immediately said "shit", turned, short tracked
and dumped.

I was open at 9000' !!!!!!.  I'd managed to read the wrong end of the
alti in the dusky light.  That just reinforced my internal clock which
was sure it was time to open.  Took to me 10 minutes to descend from a
so-so spot, in rapidly failing light.  By the time I landed, the bar
was open and everyone was outside waiting to give me the dickhead of
the day award.  Oh well.

I remember during my track, thinking that the ground didn't look
particularly close.  But I didn't recheck my alti.  After all I thought
I was low and I wanted to dump *now*.

The really silly thing was that 2 of the jumpers in my group didn't
even notice me missing.


Bob V!
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Jump Number Statistics
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:27:58 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: romulus!uunet.uu.net!mark%vi

Tuesday October 06 1992, romulus!uunet.uu.net!mark%virtech%v writes to Skydive:

 run> You're on the list... I promise, this list came out before your
 run> entry was received by me.  This is last Friday's list.  A new list
 run> this Friday will include you.

Great, thanks Mark.  However, my number is now up to 21 with 0 mal's.  My wifes is still 16.


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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Skydiving Video's
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:16:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct9.172202.911@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:

>BTW, has anyone seen _Proof_?  I'm told that this is the original short
>that the skydiving scene in _Fandango_ was based on.  How does it stack up
>against the full length version?  I'm told that the skydiving is actually
>"better".

     Each has its own high points.  The fellow who plays Kevin
Costner's part in Proof is great (so is Truman), but Costner fits
better in the broader plot of Fandango.

     See them both.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"Oh wow, man, you missed the mattress!"

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