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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: 1992 r.s.bb Mock Expansion Draft
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:28:17 GMT

In article <BruJp4.n4D@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>that they would rather protect younger pitching prospects.  I wonder if teams
>will try and get around 10/5 players who will not likely get taken in the
>draft by trading them to another team for their 10/5 man and then trade them
>back after the draft.  This way they would not have to be protected and would
>not have to be dumped by the team.  Does anyone know if there is some kind
>of rule which would prevent this or is this legal.

It's legal, as long as they get the approval of the 10/5 men involved,
since the whole point of 10/5 is that the player has the right to veto a
trade. 

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Dawson, was: Re: GMaddux to Test Free Agency Waters
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:15:07 GMT

In article <Bs6w3r.JyJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin ) writes:
>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>
>>It's bad if it's all the offense you produce.  Dave Kingman was mediocre
>>while hitting 35 HR per year.  Frank Thomas is a batting monster while hitting
>>25 HR because of all the other things he does.  (And, of course, RBI's don't
>>tell you much more than that Dawson bats cleanup, but that's a different
>>thread.)
>
>So that's how Kirk Gibson won the MVP in '88!  With about 25 HR and 75 RBIs
>Not to mention his knee (much worse than Dawsons). 

You think Dawson's god, don't you?  What does the knee have to do with it
anyway?

I disagreed with the selection of Gibson, but Gibson's '88 was *much* better
than Dawson's '91 or '92.  Here was how Gibson's '88 performance looked like:

.290 BA, .377 OBP, .483 SLG, 542 AB, 157 H, 25 HR

Dawson's '91:

.272 BA, .302(!) OBP, .488 SLG, 563 AB, 153 H, 31 HR

while playing in Wrigley.  This is how his '92 looks so far:

.259 BA, .293 OBP, .442 SLG, 328 AB, 85 H, 15 HR

Gibson just plain blew him away.  And since you mentioned about the knee...
If Gibson could blow Dawson away despite bad knees, doesn't this show something
about Dawson?

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Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Street Poll: Steinbrenner
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:40:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The New York Times assigned a reporter to the enviable task of soliciting
reactions to the official announcement of George Steinbrenner's return.
Selected responses:

Members of the "general public":
"If he acts normally, he could be good for baseball."

"He's too demanding, expects too much and has very little patience. He'll bring
 a lot of press to the Yankees, but a lot of it will be bad press."

"I think he's great. What's not to love? People hate him because he;s so
 tough on the poeple who work for him, but that's one of the privileges that
 go along with signing the paychecks."

"I think it's good for the team. When he was with the Yankees, they were
 winners. What are they doing now? They're a little bit better, but they're
 not going to win anything unless Steinbrenner comes bak and makes some
 serious moves."

 "I'd rather see the Yankees win without him. Come to think of it, I'd rather
 see the Yankees lose without him as well."

 Gene Michael:
 "We've had our differences, I won't tell you we haven't. But over all,
 they've been good. I hope this doesn't come out wrong: I have a way of
 convincing him of things. I think he listens to the advice I give him. But I
 also know he can fire me any time he wants. I understand that."

 Andy Stankiewicz:
 "I hope he knows enough about me and the team to know that we're trying."

 
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for DHes
Originator: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:45:41 GMT

Dave Winfield, Toronto		8.32
Paul Molitor, Milwaukee		8.06
Brian Downing, Texas		6.95
Albert Belle, Cleveland		5.79
Sam Horn, Baltimore		5.75
Kevin Maas, New York		5.09
Glenn Davis, Baltimore		5.00
George Brett, Kansas City	4.72
George Bell, Chicago		4.51
Tino Martinez, Seattle		4.50
Jack Clark, Boston		4.47
Harold Baines, Oakland		4.40
Hubie Brooks, California	2.88

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Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:24:18 GMT

In article <Brur22.LsL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:

>1991: Twins over Braves 4-3
>1990: Reds over A's 4-0
>1989: A's over Giants 4-0
>1988: Dodgers over A's 4-1
>1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)
	4-3
>1986: Mets over Red Sox
	4-3
>1985: Royals over Cardinals???
	4-3
>1984: Tigers over Padres
	4-1
1983: Orioles over Phils 4-1
1982: Cardinals over Brewers 4-3
1981: Dodgers over Yankees 4-2
1980: Phillies over Royals 4-2
1979: Pirates over Orioles 4-3
1978: Yankees over Dodgers 4-2
1977: Yankees over Dodgers 4-2
1976: Reds over Yankees 4-0
1975: Reds over Red Sox 4-3
1974: A's over Dodgers 4-1
1973: A's over Mets 4-3
1972: A's over Reds 4-3
   ...
1905: Giants over A's 4-1
1904: McGraw over baseball 0-0
1903: Red Sox over Pirates 5-3

==Ken

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:17:34 GMT

In article <3814@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rrmst3+@pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes:
>Okay, so maybe the Bonds thing was a bad example, but what about my earlier
>scenario where Frank Thomas breaks Jack McDowell's arm?  Youd didn't address
>that one. 

When teammates are regularly purposefully injurying other teammates, I'll
consider that attitude is a key part of assembling a team.  How's that?  Of
course, I still don't know in that scenario whether the problem lies with
Frank Thomas or Jack McDowell; will getting rid of Thomas solve the
problem, or will McDowell goad Carlton Fisk into breaking his arm next?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Buffalo
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:28:21 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.203313.24910@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>If Jeff King could only learn patience at the plate, I wouldn't mind as
>much.  

Be grateful you don't have to listen to the Pirates' broadcasts.  Jim "Head
Cheese" Rooker is convinced that King's problem is that he needs to be more
(wait for it) ==> aggressive <==.



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  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   And the greenest hurler to take the mound
  Prof. of Story Problems  |   (Sighed the old southpaw, dying of innings)...
  Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR  | 	"Lament", Dylan 'Big Frank' Thomas
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From: djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:45:52 GMT

In article <BrunC5.7zw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:

>There are two question which I feel can be asked when comparing players.
>1)  Who is more talented?  This requires statistics alone.  Attitude,
>    enthusiasm etc. won't change talent.
>2)  Who is more better for the team?  This requires the combination of using
>    statistics and analysing the intangibles.

I can't believe I wrote this.  I must have been sleeping when I wrote this
because this sorta contradicts everything I have said in my other posts.
Since I believe the atmosphere of clubhouse, effort, huslte etc. effect
the way players play it will also effect their statistics so determining
their talent can not be determined just by the statistics.  Statistics
determine the players abilities when subject to the intangibles he was
subjecteed to when he got those statistics.  Thus players talent cannot be
compared when playing on different teams since the clubhouse atmosphere
effects some players play.

--David Johnson
From: raistlin@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (The Joker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Bo Jackson:  Returning Spring, 1993 ( no lie...kinda)
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:02:31 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana


  In the local newspaper on Tuesday, it was reported that the ChiSox
  are very optomistic about Bo returning in time for Opening Day, 93.
  Apparently, he is walking without any sort of limp or pain, and
  is regaining more mobility every day.

  A the end of August Bo is supposed to report to the ChiSox trainer for
  intensive pysical therapy and training.

  Can anyone confirm this, or has anyone heard anything more on this?


  Mark
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From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: Taking Third
Organization: Auto-trol
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:45:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172601.13911@u.washington.edu> hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel) writes:
>What is the value of third base when there are two outs?  Is it ever worth the risk 
>to steal third with two outs?  I know the old saying "never make the first or third 
>out of an inning at third," but is that always the case.  Can someone tell me a 
>situaltion when you go against this rule?

Sure.  When you have a pitcher that is famous (or infamous, I suppose) for
throwing wild pitches on the mound.  Or how about when the batter is your
pitcher?  Might as well steal third and hope for a wild pitch, wild pickoff
throw, balk, error, etc.

Finally, it eliminates the possibility of walking the batter to setup a force at
any bag.  Other than that, no, I don't think I would steal third with 2 out.

Matt

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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: re:  Flakes gone
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:34:14 GMT

Roger McDowell was a real nut when he pitched for the Mets,
although now that he pitches out in L.A. his flakiness
doesn't seem to stand out as much.

Oil Can, too, although he ain't around any more.
Plus Andy Van Slyke and Larry Andersen have had some amusing
things to say, and let's not forget Pascual Perez.


Dick V.
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From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:13:39 GMT

In article LsL@news.cso.uiuc.edu, jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
>1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)

Twins 4, Cardinals 3.


Rob


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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!)
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:25:14 GMT

noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

>Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
>the two teams who played in it each year and which one won.

>Any help is appreciated.  Especially if you have the last 10 Series.

>Thanks in advance...
>-Mike Noonan

i'll try the last 10 off the top of my head....

1991: Twins over Braves 4-3
1990: Reds over A's 4-0
1989: A's over Giants 4-0
1988: Dodgers over A's 4-1
1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)
1986: Mets over Red Sox
1985: Royals over Cardinals???
1984: Tigers over Padres
1983: Orioles and Cardinals???
1982: Royals and Phillies???
1981: Yankees and Dodgers???
1980: Brewers and Phillies???

damn all that alcohol!  corrections are very welcome as I would also like to
know the world series matchups.

jay
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if you're a horse, and someone gets on you,
and falls off, and then gets right back on you,
i think you should buck him off right away.     -Jack Handey
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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves lose - finally!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:20:31 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


In article <1992Jul27.104110.14220@husc3.harvard.edu>, chandoni@husc8.UUCP (John-Marc Chandonia, , , ) writes:

<64397@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller):
>   13 wins in a row, though...Well, now we'll see if they can keep the
> momentum up...

But look what happens to teams with 14-game winning streaks:
both Texas last year and the '65 Giants finished 2nd or 3rd.
13 games is the right #; last time the Braves did that, they
won the division.

Ron Gant wisely thought of this, and laid off a grand slam
and a 9th-inning game tying HR.  Lonnie, as usual, was trying
to jeapordize the Braves chances by tying the game up in
the 7th.

:-) for TK and other humor-impaired.

Now let's leave Lonnie alone!!  He has to be one of the luckiest men in baseball
to have as many World Series rings as he does!!  So he can't run the bases
correctly!  Every major leaguer has a weakness!!

Richard Gaines, Jr.
A new poster who still admits to being an Underachieving White (WE HOVER AROUND
.500) Sox fan!!!
From: djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.173643.28631@cs.umn.edu> thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:

>I've been on the other side of newspaper stories.  If the newspaper is
>sympathetic, they print a reasonable account.  If not, they will print
>something without challengeable factual errors that has very little to
>do with the actual events.
>
>In some cases, I can get to the other side of the story and check out the
>journalism.  I can't do this for sports columnists.  I don't have any
>sources in the Twins' clubhouse.  All I can do is read the columnists
>and such, and they all say stupid things from time to time, or predict
>something that doesn't happen.

I agree with everything you said so far.  If you get 20 opinions from 20
different people (writers, play by play men, manager, players etc.), and they
all say that Hrbek is good in the Clubhouse then why should I not beleive 
them.

>The media's point of view is that they need attention, and are responsible
>for what they say only in a limited sense.  As George Bernard Shaw pointed
>out, the media are the major fact-finding organizations who have nothing
>to lose if they get things wrong.

>So what is an attitude favorable to winning games?  Right now, I'm not
>interested in saying that Hrbek's attitude is worth 5 runs a year; all
>I want to know is whether his attitude affects his value, if any effect
>is small or large, and whether the effect is positive or negative.
>If you can tell me how to judge this, I'll be happy.  If you can't tell
>me how to judge a player's attitude, or can't give any good reason why
>the attitude is good, I see no reason to consider it.
>
>Should a player go out to have fun, or should he focus on winning or
>losing?  Is a player who cracks jokes after a loss a good or bad thing?
>Is it better to keep the clubhouse atmosphere loose or serious?  Is a
>veteran star who works really hard more likely to inspire the rookie to
>his best or to push him into a muscle strain?  Is insisting on playing
>with pain good or bad?  I can easily see both answers to all of these
>questions, depending on circumstances.  I don't know how to answer them
>even in an individual case.

Wether a players attitude is good or bad for a team, and how good or how
bad, depends on the team.  You are right, it depends on the circumstances
how good a players attitude will affect the team but we still agree that
a good attitude is better than a bad attitude.  A hard worker is better 
than a lazy player.  Since we agree (I assume) on this then why shouldn't
we give a player more credit when he deserves it.  The exact value of the
credit should be evaluated when we evaluate trade or free agent signigs.

>
>David Thornley
>"The Prince must not rely on being loved, for that may cease if he gets
>only two hits an a LCS." - Niccolo Machiavelli

--David Johnson
From: kettler@oppy.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Early Morning thoughts of a Computer Science Grad Students
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:54:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Jul28.191102.15342@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)    writes...
>In article <1992Jul21.163137.20007@cs.umn.edu>, lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) writes:
>  
>|> - If you had to pick a team based on the quotability of their interviews
>|>   who would it include? Andy Van Slyke, Junior Ortiz, Jose Canseco, and
>|>   maybe Hector Villaneuva, but who else?  
> 
>Please not to forget Larry Andersen, who, in addition to having a name which
>is *nearly* spelled correctly, has come up with such jewels as:
> 
>"How come sour cream has an expiration date?"
>"Why do we drive on the parkway and park on the driveway?"
>"If 7-11 stores are open 24 hours, why do they have locks on the doors?"

You're forgetting some of his other great ones such as:

"What do they call a coffee break at a tea company?"

and the creme de la creme:

"Roses are red,
 violets are blue,
 I am schizophrenic,
 and I am too"

All I can say is that when Charlie Kerfeld and Larry Andersen were in the 
bullpen, how could any Astro pitcher keep their minds on the game?

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Organization: Auto-trol
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:25:48 GMT

In article <3559@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <92204.121229ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>
>>    When I watch a good hitter at the plate, they will show the swing of the
>>  hitter in slow motion. IMHO the best looking swings I've seen are:
>>        1) Dave Justice
>>        2) Will Clark
>>        3) Don Mattingly
>>        4) George Brett
>
>Mattingly doesn't do much for me, especially after his back problems.  I 
>definitely agree on the other three, though.  I'd also add
>
>	 5) Fred McGriff
>	 6) Darryl Strawberry
Erk.  You're kidding right?

>	 7) Barry Bonds
>
>Best right-handed swing: Craig Grebeck, of all people.
>Ugliest swing from either side:  Willie McGee.

No question.  Unless, of course, it's Todd Hundley.

Others for "sweetest" swing:

Dave Magadan
Kevin Maas

Matt


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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Turk Wendell
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:41:58 GMT

In article 29308@news.iastate.edu, twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney) writes:
>
>Notes: Career AAA player Jeff Kunkel still has not shown up after being
>reassigned to DM after Sammy Sosa got called up. He can either report or
>become a free agent. If he goes free agency, that will mean we traded Ced
>Landrum to Milwaukee for just over three weeks of Jeff Kunkel riding the
>bench in Chicago. What a completely stupid trade. There are only about
>five guys in Des Moines that would have done the job Kunkel did, as well as
>about a million others sitting at home watching TV. 

According to the _tribune_, a technicality has not allowed Kunkel to
be sent down to make room for Heath Slocumb. Therefore, Kunkel rode
the bench again yesterday. He should be reporting soon, since the big
Cubs travel to NY for a weekend series.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Reasonably priced good team
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.213254.23833@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:

>OF  Cory Snyder (dirt cheap)
>OF  Felix Jose
>OF  Otis Nixon

     How about Deion Sanders?  I don't think he's making a lot.

>1B  Mark Grace (how much does he make?)

     I think Grace makes over 2 millions a year.  Jeff Bagwell is a better
choice.

>2B  Delino DeShields
>SS  ?

     Jay Bell

>3B  Anybody except Matt Williams is OK
>C   Mike LaValliere
>P   Bill Swift

     Swift is making over 2 millions a year.  I agree with the other 2.

>P   Kent Hill
>P   Bob Tewksbury
>
>Do these sound reasonable?  What about the AL?

Edward Hui
>
>Matt Bohnert
From: al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Hey Hey Hey ... Goodbye
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:08:27 GMT
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Steve Cooke and Blas Minor got hammered.  Damn.  Today's USA Today said the
Pirates may trade for Jay Howell.  You have to wonder about that one.  I
guess if Howell is healthy, he has some value.  It's not going to shift
the balance of power any.

Jeff King has an 8 game hitting streak(you have to be kidding me)
Van Stud leads the majors in hitting
Bonds has switched to Dennis Gilbert(Bonilla's agent).  This puts the nail
in the coffin.  Bonds is gone.  I look for Midre Cummings to get promoted
to AA so they can rush him to the majors next year to take Bonds spot.
Speaking of AA, Carolina looks like a god awful team.  Ben Shelton has really
cooled off too.
The Expos have come up and caught the Pirates.  The way the Pirates are
playing I just cannot see them winning this thing.  I hope this turns
around.
Maybe this will be the slap in the face they need to get started.  When 
St. Louis overtook them for a couple of games, the Pirates went right back
on a hot streak.  They need to start winning some games.  5 teams are in 
this race.
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