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From: dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Stuve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Summary: Let's stick with the program
Keywords: Spam AGA Amiga
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gsupqINN3st
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

[As I do my yearly check-in to advocacy to see if it's improved
its intellectual tone from last year's 10-year-old-mentality]

Let's see -- a big thread entitled "AGA software wish list"  ooh, maybe
there's hope.  What's this?  It's all about large breasts and nursing
positions?

Hmmm... Articles about guns... Redneck presidents...  People discussing
IBM, dweebs with OS/2 and Windows valiantly defending their platform
(lord knows why they should feel so insecure, given their market share.)

Nice job folks.  I'm disappointed that .advocacy can't measure up to
any of its potential.  Perhaps its time we had a comp.sys.amiga.flames
group where all of our 10-year-old wannabies can have their little fits,
and others can flame about breasts, guns, Perot, taxes, and MS-DOS machines.

As a Christmas present to me and the rest of the developer community,
can't we talk about what we like to use our Amigas for, and what
software/hardware people would like to see for our favorite computer?

The Amiga may not have the largest market share, the most programs,
the largest developer base, or the most rational parent company (Merry
Christmas C=,) but it always was, and always will be ... a great computer.

Hopefully in the years to come, the users will be happy, developers will
make money, and we'll all have fun.  That's what really matters, doesn't it?

-David

-- 
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David Stuve                          | InterNet: dstuve@storm.cs.orst.edu
Software Engineer                    |
MindWorks -- Advanced Amiga Software | Crescat Scientia Vita Excolatur
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:38:37 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

> I am not too postive.  The Final Copy II shots looked adeqate, I suppose, mostly
> because you didn't see too much of the Workbench.  Mostly, the scrollbars
> looked primitive, the scroll button was SO basic.  The sizing button on the

On 2.0 the scroll bars are just about ponly thing in the looks of the
gui I don't like - on 3.0 the scroll bars do look better.

> top right, while I not understand them right off from jsut look at them (
> which I should have done, BTW) looked too big.  Gosh, Amigans bash Windows
> for BIG BLOCKY buttons?! Sheesh!

The Size of the buttons depend on the font the window's title bars use
- so, if the picture had a very large font in title bar, the buttons
are also huge.

> There doesn't seem to be any commonality among windows.  In Windows, there

Thank god for that :)

> is always the command-button thingee in the top left, and the super-inuitive
> max/min buttons on the top right.  The scrollbars in Windows look more

I would not call the max/min-buttons too intuitive - I have never
learned what the heck they do and always press the wrong one first...

> And the Workbench is suppose to be SO SOO GREAT!?  Ha!

Perhaps you should see an actual Amiga screen instead of small
screenshot in some crappy magazine...

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Educational Software/CDTV
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:09:15 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec11.183102.11395@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>In article <42145@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mfischer@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mike Fischer) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec7.122344.18747@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>>No no no. The numeric keypad is _essential_ for serious applications like
>>>flight simulators.
>>
>>-->> W H O O S H...          
>>
>>Were you joking?  "Serious applications like flight simulators?"
>>I could have sworn a flight simulator was a game...;)
>
>Try telling that to Reddifusion! Flight simulation is a serious
>use of a computer like the Amiga, much _more_ important than
>spreadsheets and accounting.
>
>Think of it on the eternal scale. When you are in heaven will
>you be playing flight simulators (or even flying real planes)
>or messing around with spreadsheets???
>Get a grip on reality.

Rediffusion stuff is heavy duty.  Their flight simulators use multiple
computers.  When I worked for Charles River Data Systems, we were selling
them multi-processor 68030 boxes that were used just to control the
instrument panel.  And then they use minicomputers for everything else.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:57:56 GMT

Why are you so excited about moving to an overpriced RISC workstation
with an Amiga logo on it 2 or 3 years in the future?  Amiga hardware
probably won't run on it, most of your software won't run on it EVEN
after a recompile, (and not at all before).

The only thing the Amiga, MAC, PC or any other computer has going for
it is the user base and teh software/hardware compatibility.  Once C=
starts making high end incompatible workstations, they are just another
workstation vendor.

And 95% of us can't afford high end workstations *ANYWAYS*.

And anyone that thinks that commodore can make a LOW END Alpha based
computer doesn't understand engineering and development costs.
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:47:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec6.223033.7016@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <Paula_Lieberman.07f4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>>30,000 computers in two weeks (rate that someone reported A1200s selling in
>>Germany) comes out to 15,000 X 52 per year, ~ 750,000.  That's not really
>>that many..... 
>
>It is if you consider that is just in Germany...  I'd expect that sales in 
>Great Britain to be as good or better, and there are also the other markets
>in Europe to consider.  The units are for sale in Canada right now and 
>should be in the United States, Australia, and other markets very soon.
>
>I'm beginning to worry that perhaps Commodore may not be able to keep up
>with the demand for the A1200.  Heck, if it does sell at the rate that
>the early figures suggest it will, there will be a huge market for AGA
>compatible software...  :-)

The A1200 is probably going to sell well over a million, more like
two million, per year for the next five years, at the very least.

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who is thumbing his nose at Marc Barrett
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: RTG vs. AGA (was Is ECS dead?)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:05:01 GMT

In <1992Dec10.104857.18474@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger) writes:
>mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>Not true. Even now (with ECS or AGA) we have non-scrollable screens (i.e. the
>>A2024 screen).
>Haven't you seen A2024 screens scroling yet?

I haven't seen scrolling A2024 screens myself but AmigaOS3.0 supports
autoscrolling _oversized_ A2024 screens.

But this is different from displaying an A2024 screen together with another
viewport. Many dumb frame buffers that have enough display memory will
allow scrolling screens like the A2024 screen. But they won't support
multiple screens since that requires changing bitmap pointers in the middle
of the display. These frame buffers will appear quite similar to A2024 screens
to the software.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:04:51 GMT

In <Bz85pK.DHt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   You are brainless.

Marc, beginning a letter with an insult is not polite.

And adding several dozen lines of hot air is annoying.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kevint@sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:38:52 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:
> 
> REgarding the layouts - the WB seems rather simplistic, but agreeable.  The
> scrollbars aren't to my liking, still, I prefer the scroll buttons
> to be on top AND bottom.
> --
> Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
Simplicity is the beauty of WB 2.04. I have used X11, Windows 3.0, 
AmigaDOS 1.3, and AmigaDOS2.04. For getting things done quickly AmigaDOS 
2.04 competes rather nicely. I'm not sure how having more colors actually 
increases the functionality of a GUI. In my experience it just seems to 
slow them down. 

In regards to the scroll bar buttons, AmigaDOS 1.3 used to have them at 
the top and bottom. When 2.0 first came out I thought it was kind of weird 
having them both together at the bottom, but after using them I found that 
it is actually much nicer having them close together. If you happen to 
scroll past the area of interest you only have to move the mouse slightly, 
instead of halfway up the screen, to move back to it. Do to their 
convenience I find that I use them much more than I used to. Now I just
wish X11, and Windows3.1 had them together. 

Have you ever extensively used a system which has them together?
Don't judge them until you have.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: Where is the Atari newsgroup?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:42:43 GMT

dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:

>In article <rjpogain.724241839@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
>>dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>
>>>In article <rjpogain.724034853@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) writes:
>>>>thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>     Sorry for the unrelated topic, but I can not seem to be able of
>>>>>finding the Atari newsgroup.  Does anyone know what is the name of
>>>>>it?  I sort of need to fnd if a modem is available for the ancient
>>>>>Atari 800. (why not, the TI99/4A has a modem, the Vic20 has a modem).
>>>>>Thanks...
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                                 -TKH '92
>>>>
>>>>Unknowingly, you have made a mojar point about the Falcon!!
>>>>You can't find the Atari group, and really, I'm not surprised.  Atari is just about dead, and it's software and hardware support is almost non-existant.  This just goes to show that while the Falcon may be sold to a few naive people, us Amigans should have nothing to worry about.  The Falcon will not be able to penetrate the Amiga's market as there is simply no support for it.
>>
>>>Is this the best you can do? Some guy doesn't know the name of the 8-bit Atari
>>>group, and that makes the Falcon a bad computer, and Atari a bad company? 
>>>You, sir, are a fool of the highest caliber. When you come up with a real
>>>flame about the Falcon, come back and see us. Otherwise, don't waste our time.
>>
>>Ok,  to summarise, the main point of this is that there will be a lack of support for the Falcon.  This is a valid point, and you have no right calling me a fool when I am simply stating some facts.

>When your "point" has some relevance the message you're replying to, then
>I will not call you a fool. As it is, your message was an out-of-the-blue 
>rant at some poor guy who was just looking for a little information. This
>makes you more than eligible for the appelation "fool", and worse. 

>>
>>>Oh, and you might try pressing the return key, say, once per line or so...
>>This is a bit under the belt isn't it?  At least when I pull my flame-thrower out I aim at silicon, and not at flesh!!! 
>>

>Under the belt? Wow, a bit overly-sensitive, aren't you? If you hit return
>at the end of each line, it makes your posts a lot easier to read, no matter
>how foolish they are.

Yes sir, Mr self-appointed guru, sir!!!


>-- 
>"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
--
Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31838 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18875
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>  Actually dickhead, an AMiga 600 is selling for $389 Cdn in my City!!!!!
>An amiga 500 goes for $299 Cdn too!!!!

If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.

An A500/A600 is a toy.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:59:03 EST
From: <FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How many more girlfreinds will I get with my NEW 486 *TOWER*???
 <1eoi06EINN65t@uni-erlangen.de> <6p+2t2@rpi.edu>
 <1992Dec5.110025.18606@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de><1992Dec6.174635.16135@mnemosyne.cs.du
 .edu> <jbickers.0l1n@templar.actrix.gen.nz>

In article <jbickers.0l1n@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz
(John Bickers) says:
>
>Quoted from <1992Dec6.174635.16135@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> by
>nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham):
>
>> My question is ...won't this work A LOT better on the babes than
>> a sissy A4000?
>
>    That's why some of us are hanging out for the A4000T.
>
>>                                   NCW
>--
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***

I'm hanging out for the A4000t also :)




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ultima Underworld VS Legends of Valour Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:59:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
>"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
> appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
> everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn

Hmm.  Deja Vu.

I don't believe that I've ever made it anyones .sig before.

Ah... infamy at last...

	Mark

-- 
"A little nonsense now and then,                \ Mark Steyn :          \
 Is relished by the wisest men"                  \ marks@castle.ed.ac.uk \
          Willy Wonka                             \ mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk     \
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: LucasArts/film/games & the Amiga
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:26:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


I just snagged this post about Lucasfilm support(or lack thereof) for
future Amigas. Looks bleak to me. 

Included message ------------>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: LucasArts Games
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:15:00 -0600

Well, as promised, here is the response from LucasArts Games concerning
the Amiga (IE Amiga and X-Wing and such).  The said they don't mind
questions or comments sent to the Internet addresses given.

------------------ begin insertion ----------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 92 17:08:59 U
From: "Khris Brown" <khris_brown@inbox_router.kerner.com>
To: rfentima@ua.d.umn.edu
Subject: Amiga Support

Hello Robert! Thank you for your letter. We are currently supporting
CompuServe, GEnie, America Online and Prodigy, and often get messages from
people on the internet, so I am familiar with your questions.

Although we are impressed with the Amiga machines, we unfortunately can't sell
enough units to justify the expense of converting the games.  This decision is
nothing personal against the Amiga; We hope the new models do well.  For the
past five years, though, the Amiga decision has been based on the success of
the Amiga in Europe, particularly in the U.K. and Germany.  Both countries now
believe that Christmas '92 will be the last full price year for Amiga products.
 Therefore, Indy Atlantis is our last planned Amiga title. Often a software
group will like a machine but just not be able to get the sales to support
itself from that particular machine.  In the future, we will only consider more
Amiga conversions if and when the market for these products rebounds.

I know this is a disappointment, but hopefully people will be able to accept
our position and still play Indy Atlantis and our other games for the Amiga
with as much satisfaction as before.

Thanks again for your letter!
Best Wishes,
Khris Brown
LucasArts Games Product Support

------------------------------- End insertion ----------------------------

I appologize to all those who think this is a wast of bandwith, but for
some people, it's not.  Anyway, you at least got LucasArts E-mail
address for Internet.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
From: MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:35:11 GMT
 <torrie.724114674@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <92347.032705MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <Bz5t0E.6Lz@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

In article <Bz5t0E.6Lz@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>,
papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) says:

>>Anyway, even if it accomplished them at full speed, the scaling and dithering
>>still wouldn't make it more than an anim player -- albeit a quite            d
>>sophisticated one. There's got to be more to it than that, but what?

>A cross platform standard that allows you to paste graphics into any
>program, even one that has no conception of the fact that someone might
>someday want to paste a graphic.  Like for instance a mail program.  I
>think that's pretty neat.

That's all?

Well, I agree, it is kind of neat, but it's been made out to be a Tremendous
Revolution in Computer Graphics that will Change The Way We Use Our Computers.
Quite frankly, it doesn't seem like anything but a neat hack to me; what use
would one put it to?

"Thank you, Dr. Science."

[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT (was: 4 Colour Interfaces : -( )
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:35:48 GMT

>I still can't see it.  I'm responible for supporting more than a hundred PCs.
>Windows is all over the place, and growing.  People are buying ram, upgrading
>motherboards, etc. just to run it.  Yet, in my region, we only have one PC
>running OS/2, and that's so they can run some specialist software.  As far
>as I can tell, we're typical of government departments, in this state, at
>least.

Yes, but at some point they are going to get REAL machines and need an
OS for it, maybe by that time OS/2 will have gained some significant
market share.

>NT was written to be portable - OS/2 2.0 isn't.  That doesn't mean it can't
>be ported, but it would be a huge effort.

IBM is doing it.  Whether it will be successful or saleable is another
question, but it's being done.  It will have a Mach microkernel.  Which
is not so great in my books, because Mach is a little optimized for
Unix, and Microsoft just HIRED some of the people who wrote Mach to
write NT's microkernel!

>Most users don't go to computerfests.  Of course the enthusiasts are
>interested, but they do not the market make.

And yet the Amiga hangs on without even the support of IBM... that has
to count for SOMETHING.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:50:15 GMT

In article <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:

>> 	I have played those games, and while they are very good, they do not
>>    compare to Ultima Underworld.  So I wouldn't be claiming that Amiga has
>>    the better RP type games.  

>I'll give you that one. The PC market definitely has the 
>cutting edge in this area right now.

I love hearing Amiga users say that.

>Yes, but Amiga owners do not have to have 16 MB
>of RAM to use this capability of their OS. Nor does
>Amiga's OS take up 30 MB of HD space. *This,* IMO
>is what produced the HD status quo among PCs -
>people needed lots HD space to run their big, messy
>operating systems.

Who cares?  Who really gives a flying FIG if a computer that costs half
as much for the processor/video card/sound
card/motherboard/case/keyboard etc. needs more RAM and more hard disk
space?

This argument just doesn't hold water.  I could say: "The Amiga SUX
because PCs can run GUIs without graphics coprocessors."  But we know
that the coprocessor is one of the Amiga's STRENGTHS.  And low cost
hardware is one of the PCs strengths.

>Hmm. Maybe we should try and get C= to make Amiga
>DOS 4.0 bigger, nastier, buggier, etc. so Amiga
>owners will no longer be able to run it from floppies,
>and will be *forced* to purchase a HD.

Yeah, maybe you'd get some decent games if everyone didn't have to
worry about all those hard driveless Amiga's out there!



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