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From: smiley@akasha.eng.hou.compaq.com (Colin Smiley)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:27:32 GMT


In article <67054@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

   Oh, by the way...having been on the net for about five years now, I can
   assure you I have made innumerable postings on all kinds of subjects,
   ranging from upcoming developments in Trek to answering straight
   information requests to "how do I break in" inquiries.  How quickly
   all that is forgotten in the wake of one tongue-in-cheek observation.
   I haven't gotten this much flack since the guy who wrote that he wanted
   to know how to go about making "submitions," and I posted that the first
   thing he should do is learn to spell.  Sound advice, I thought, considering
   his post was full of misspellings...but boy, did people get cranky.

Maybe you should invest in the use of smileys or emoticons.. :-) (for
emphasis).

Colin


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From: DCS4@psuvm.psu.edu (Dave Shaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: VIDIOT! Get a clue! (Note to VIDIOT...)
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:18:26 GMT
 <1992Sep25.001235.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> <4166@vidiot.UUCP>
Organization: Penn State University

Sorry for use of the net for this, but personal main to VIDIOT
doesn't seem to be working for me.

Mike, I just wanted to let you know that I had finally taken the
time to locate the latest copy of your Guide at coe.montana.edu,
downloaded it and printed it on my Mac/laserprinter.

It is very thorough, truly impressive, and will be special
addition (edition? sorry for the pun!) to my Star Trek related
goodies. I'm sure you have a great deal of work in it and I
just wanted to say thanks for the good work.

I tried mailing directly to you about three times over the
past couple of weeks. Perhaps I was doing something wrong,
I'm not sure, but the mail bounced each time.

Thanks again, and again, sorry for posting a personal note!
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From: gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:33:55 GMT

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>So let's see.  That's two who don't buy hardcovers (and never go to libraries
>apparently) and one who doesn't read Trek novels at all.

>It's so heartening to work hard for an appreciative audience.

     Well, I appreciate your writing, and I buy all of the novels.  Yet I 
also refuse to buy the hardcovers -- it ruins the symmetry of my library.

--
Arnold Gill --- astrophysician trainee in exile             gill@physics.ubc.ca
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Non-existent racism in Time's Arrow (I and II)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:45:19 GMT

In article <Bv7w1K.Gq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Did anyone notice how strange it was that only a few years after the  
>Emancipation Proclamation that Guinan and/or Geordi can:
>
>* walk around freely (no hassles, no insults, no problems aside from the
>  problems of the story); nobody thinks it's weird to see black folks 
>  wandering.
>  about as if they were 'just another town citizen'.
>* Guinan can be weathy.
>* Guinan can be the toast of the town and have a party with white people.
>* NOBODY questioned either of their skin colors while dealing with town folk.
>* be taken to (or enter even if not a patient) what *MUST* have been a
>  whites-only hospital.
>
>I could see it if these two were approached as if they were just-freed slaves,  
>or if they were constantly being bothered because people didn't feel  
>comfortable being around them.  Yet nowhere in the story (although in Samuel  
>Clemens' talk with Deanna Troi in the turbolift, he explcitly mentions problems  
>that plague our society.  Among them, prejudice.) is racism even MENTIONED.
>
>They called Data an albino, but they called Guinan nothing but 'Madam Guinan'  
>(and where in hell would they come about thinking the name "Guinan" was in any  
>way 'normal' for that town and that time period?).
>
>To answer the obvious rebuttal, "Perhaps, but this is a science fiction show  
>and not a political one."  This show is most certainly a political show.  Their  
>stories often speak of their positions on poverty, sexism, inter-species  
>chauvinism and so on.  Yet, they cannot give a PASSING MENTION to racism at one  
>of the most racist times in our history?  C'mon, this is way off.
>-- 
>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
>-- NeXTmail ok


I did notice these things, and yes it irked me a little too.
However, I wonder if the geographical location of the episode in any way
justifies this.  If they had been in 19th century Confederacy-territory
then I could see BIG reasons for complaint, however, if my memory serves
me right, San Francisco was still in its infancy when the Civil War hit,
and so perhaps the racism that was so inbred in other parts of the country
was not as prevalent in SF?
From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TOBOR
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:00:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: stortek.1992Oct5.170016.1313
Distribution: usa
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com

bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes:

>Robbie was from _Forbidden Planet_.  But Tobor was a cardboard-box robot in
>a show called "Captain Video".  Used to be on at 7:30 (I think), weekday
>evenings (I think) for 15 minutes (I think) in the New York area in the
>very early '50s (that, I'm sure of).  He was supposed to be Robot I, but
>they got the letters backward and he wound up as (deep voice with echoes):
>"I, Tobor." He was Captain Video's enemy at first, but later, I think he
>got to be a good guy. 
>

 TOBOR was the robot from the movie "TOBOR THE GREAT", in the early 50's.
 It was about a scientist who creates a robot for space exploration. The
 bad guys kidnap the scientist and his grandson in order to get the
 top secret info about the robot. Of course TOBOR saves the day after
 picking up the grandsons brainwave patterns and tracks them to the
 bad guys hideout.  Didn't anybody in this group every watch FAMILY_
 CLASSICS with Frasier Thomas??? :-)  They even explained in the
 movie that TOBOR was ROBOT spelled backward. (Well it was targeted
 for the 12 yr old market)


                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
                                NRA, ILA, CFC

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From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG has only 3 plots, and it keeps reusing them!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:24:04 EDT
Reply-To: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

> After having watched TNG for all of five seasons now, I've come to the
> conclusion that the writers have only three plots for the show, and
> they continually just rehash these plots by switching characters
> around or changing the names of the alien races involved.
> 
> (1) Troi falls in love.  She becomes romantically involved with a
> member of an alien race, but then either the alien is revealed to not
> be what he says he is, or else something changes in the alien's life
> so that he can no longer continue the romance.  After some sort of
> catharsis occurs, Troi makes peace with the alien and decides to
> remain on the Enterprise.
> 
> (2) Data wants to be human.  He is put into a situation where his
> android qualities really stand out against the people around him, and
> expresses a wish that he could have emotions.  However, some quality
> of his android nature proves to be critical to resolving the plot of
> the episode.
> 
> (3) A mysterious alien force captures or takes over the Enterprise or
> one of its senior officers, putting everyone's lives in jeopardy.  The
> crew makes one or two unsuccessful attempts to get out of the
> situation, but then finally someone has a hunch that turns out to be
> the key to solving the problem, and everything returns to normal.
> 
> It seems to me that the best TNG episodes were those that didn't
> follow any of these three formulas.
> 
> Am I right, or what?  ;)
> 
>      << Brian >>
> 
> -- 
> _/_/_/       Brian Kendig  Macintosh Jedi           Live never to be ashamed
>  _/_/   Starfleet Captain  Oracle Employee         if anything you do or say
>   _/  Intrepid Adventurer  Saturn SL2 Owner    is published around the world
>       bskendig@netcom.com  Wizard of Frobozz    -- even if what is published
>     Princeton '92! BSE/CS  Writer/Actor/Singer                   is not true.

Definitely. All 125+ episodes fit into either one of your three 
categories. No doubt.
From: robertll@sdf.lonestar.org (Robert Loper)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:23:46 GMT


I bought _Imzadi_ in hardback, and I feel it was worth every penny.
It's nice to know I can buy a Star Trek book (once in a while) by the
author's name only, and know in advance it will be a good book.

Keep up the Good work, Peter!

P.S.  I own just about every Star Trek book there is, so I feel I know
what I am talking about when I say PAD writes the best...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:40:29 EDT
From: Matthew Jose Smedle <MJS174@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Alien Race Question
 <1992Sep24.190932.18763@admiral.uucp> <lee.717434210@ceg.uiuc.edu>
 <90441@netnews.upenn.edu>


In article <90441@netnews.upenn.edu>, brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James P.
Brewer) says:
>
>In article <lee.717434210@ceg.uiuc.edu> lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee) writes:
>>>In article <Bv09u2.236@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
>(Anthos) writes:
>>>   Could someone tell me if there are any Star Trek alien races with
>inherent
>>>healing abilities (i.e. 'healing hands' or the like).  I am writing a story,
>I don't remember the name of the episode, but the Enterprise (TNG, BTW) picked
>an escaped "criminal" in one episode that turned out to be a political
>prisoner of sorts.  His race was on the verge of evolving into a new form
>(energy-based life-form, whatever that means).  ...
     [portions deleted to save space]
>Perhaps someone out there will remember this episode (like that's a "perhaps"
>scenario) and be able to tell you what his race was called.

The name of that episode was "Transmutations." Concerning the name of the race,
I do not think they established a name for the transmutated lifeform.  What
the guy said (the one who transmuted) was that everyone of his race could be
this new lifeform, but there was much resistance among people to change.  Since
not everyone of the race would change, it probably wouldn't be a good thing to
use the name of the race that he was from (which I don't remember offhand) to
signify the race with healing abilities.
So, concerning that one, I'd say that that would not be a good one to introduce
into a story.  Does anyone else know of a "healing race" on STTNG?

Matt Smedley (MJS174@psuvm.psu.edu)
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From: wildcard@nevada.edu ( WildCard !!)
Subject: Ro's Gone??? (was Re: New Women on TNG? (DS9 spoilers))
Organization: occansionally...
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.134839.10023@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes:

>With Ensign Ro off the show and Keiko leaving with Miles, we only have
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What ?!!?!?   They're taking my favorite character on TNG and putting her
out to pasture, doomed to do occasional guest-shots and be refered to
nostalgically?

Does anyone know why? And who I can write to complain?

Need Input!!  Thanx.


                                        - WildCard !!


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+ linear, postindustrial children of the Information Age, however, know that  +
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: deff@access.digex.com (Michael P. Deffendall)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:24:51 GMT

In article <gill.717978835@physics.ubc.ca> gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill) writes:
>Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>So let's see.  That's two who don't buy hardcovers (and never go to libraries
>>apparently) and one who doesn't read Trek novels at all.
>
>>It's so heartening to work hard for an appreciative audience.
>
>     Well, I appreciate your writing, and I buy all of the novels.  Yet I 
>also refuse to buy the hardcovers -- it ruins the symmetry of my library.
>
>--
>Arnold Gill --- astrophysician trainee in exile             gill@physics.ubc.ca

I have to agree with the comment on messing up my nice, neat (well, at least 
nice) collection of paperbacks with hardcovers, but alas I broke down and
bought _Imzadi_ in hardcover.  And I'm not sorry I did.  Excellent book.

Deff
From: jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Lost In Space" was better
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:25:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc, spock.flame
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: jcarroll@ferris


In article <1992Sep30.130819.1565@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.171121.9971@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00sdriddle@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> >In article <1992Sep26.232225.10792@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
> >> I don't see what's so special about Star Trek.  "Lost in Space" was
> >> clearly superior, but you don't see five newsgroups devoted to Tobor.
> 
> >	Lost in Space better than Star Trek?  Everyone knows 
> >Space: 1999 is better than both put together!
> 
> 
> But, if I had to choose between Trek and Lost in Space, I'd still
> probably go with Jason of Star Command.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gary L. Schroeder  		|  
> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov         |             Boo. 
> Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
                                                ^^^
Boo yourself.

Nothing personal, Gary, but I'm getting really tired of this thread,
which has been running in parallel in talk.bizarre (and in misc.test)
for far too long now. I'm trying to do a favor to the mailbox of the
next person who doesn't realize he's crossposting to t.b and m.t, and
to get this truly tedious argument out of talk.bizarre.

btw, if it'll help to get the thread to move in this direction, I think
both Star Trek and Lost in Space are puerile, stifling fictions, truly ludicrous
in the light of 1992 technology. Ditto for Space:1999, Jason of Star
Command, Buck Rogers, Space Ghost, and anyone else's favorite show with
spaceships in it.

Give me Mr. Rogers any day.
From: kelly1+@pitt.edu (Sonja N Muzyczka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Obtaining Vidiot's Guide and ftp problems
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:33:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: kelly1@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

Hail and greetings,

I have been trying to obtain Vidiot's TNG guide by anonymous ftp at
ftp.coe.montana.edu (192.31.215.240) but am continoulsy getting the
"only one anonymous user at a time" message. Even at ungodly hours
of the night.

I had no problem accessing it on Friday when I was on and off several times
and obtained the first five parts.

Is there some sort of problem or what?

Kevin A. Geiselman  c/o kelly1@unix.cis.pitt.edu

Organization: Computer Repair, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:51:14 -0400 
From: "David M. Bartlett" <db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Early Star Trek books for Sale

I have volumes 2 thru 12 of James Blish's Star Trek short story
collections:  these are adaptations of the original series episodes,
about 5-7 stories per volume.  $2.00 each or $20.00 for all 11.
 
In addition, I have:
 
"Spock Must Die!", , also by James Blish, as far as I can tell the first
Star Trek Novel.  $2.00
 
"The World of Star Trek" by David Gerrold, a non-fiction book about Star
Trek as series, myth, and fandom.  $2.00
 
"The Making of Start Trek" by Gene Roddenberry, a non-fiction book about
making the series itself.  $2.00
 
"Star Trek:  the New Voyages", a collection of short stories, the first
pastiches of Star Trek after James Blish.  $2.00
 
If interested in one, some, or all, send me email.
 
Dave Bartlett


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From: Melita L Kennedy <mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: A Reason for Riker to stay aboard Enterprise
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:25:15 GMT

This is in response to the "Riker: Wuss..." message.  Somehow managed to
delete it.

After watching BoBWII last week, I realized there could be a reasonable
explanation (imho) for Riker's turning down the latest offer of command.
He could have been told to, by a higher office of Starfleet.  They may
have wanted someone they could trust, and who had known Picard for a long
time, who could watch Picard for signs of instability after the Borg
episode.  Or they might just have wanted to help keep the ship running
optimally after all the upheaval.  That could also fit as a personal
reason for Riker to want to stay.

Melita Kennedy
mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot)
Subject: Re: Model Painting
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:42:13 GMT

About six months or so ago when the E-D model came out, there was
a review in Fine Scale Modeler - in it the guy said which colors
he used - he also said (I think) that the painting of the model
took the most time.

An issue or two later, someone had a several page article on 
"superdetailing" the Enterprise - A model, including paint 
colors, model modifications, etc.

Both of these magazines should be available via mail order from
Fine Scale Modeler - look for their year end issue which lists 
all the back issues.

Hope this helps.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Q and Guinan
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:29:15 GMT


jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>
>Q and Guinan used to be married. They were divorced just a few years before
>the Enterprise-D was commissioned. It was bitter. Just read the book...

Hey!  When did this happen!  Is this in one of the "Lost Episodes"?  ;)

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Picard and Crusher
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.230929.692@ncar.ucar.edu>, vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
> 
>>>> >  but was there any sort of
>>>> > relationship with Picard and Crusher before the Enterprise?
> 
>>I think the relationship they have is called "wishful thinking."
> 
> 
> Myself, I would call their relationship "best friends."  They're
> obviously very close and confide many things in each other.  They've
> considered (but rejected) the possibility of becoming lovers and
> prefer to stay as they are.  I have a male best friend that I've known
> for 15 years.  From my perspective, the Picard/Crusher relationship
> looks perfectly normal.
> 
> And I've known many people over the years who were *sure* that my
> friend and I were "more than friends."  I ignore them.  We're the ones
> *in* the relationship, and as long as we know what's going on, who
> cares what anyone else thinks?  I can see the Picard and Crusher
> characters, as developed to this point, having that same feeling ...
> 
> 
> --
> Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu


Vicki:

I know what you mean, I have one of those male-type friends myself, and
we've had people speculating the exact same type of speculations!
I was just answering the original question, and letting the questioner
know that _so far as we know_ Picard & Crusher have no romantic relationship.

There has been a lot of *implied* attraction between the two, in Naked Now,
and several other episodes, but they did agree to keep things "platonic" in 
one episode.  As I recall, however, it was the captain's "not-so-evil-twin" 
who did the promising.  I don't remember if it was ever brought up again with 
the "real" Picard.  I think the relationship will stay best friends.  

I do, however, feel that there might be some past romantic relationship between
_Guinan_ & Picard.  I *hope* so, anyway. :-)  (Though for some reason this 
possibility seems to really upset a lot of people!)

Kellie
internet::matthews_K@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Teeth-brushing
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:46:54 GMT

Well they have the technology to seal your teath (at least your molars)...I had
this done when I was young because I got almost all my teeth when I was about
7 or 8 so the dentist was afraid that I might get cavities getting my adult
teeth so young. I think that sealing only lasts for 3 years and only had it
done that one time. Of course I've never gotten a cavity in my life so I must
be doing pretty good at 19 ;-)...Maybe in Star Trek they have some kind of
bond they can put on all your teeth that will last a lifetime. 

Of course there is still the catch of gum disease which may require some kind
of care.

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