From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:35:14 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <M1WCC00.92Aug26092922@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>WC:  None of the above proves that these supposed "volleyball-white-
>         guys-who-jump-well" do so because they've been running around in
>         the sand and jumping alot.  Why not accept that these guys already

Nothing that you've said has disproven that.  Nor has anything you've said
proven your point.
>         had spring and therefore went into volleyball because the sport 
>         suited their abilities?  Two on two I assume, is a top-flite

First of all, never assume, that's what causes you to make as many stupid
statements as you have so far.  Second, do you really believe that these
guys themselves.  "I can sky with the best, therefore volleyball, where I
can only make few K's a year, not basketball where I could make a few
Millions a year, is the sport that best suits my abilities."

Does what you said make any sense anymore?  Before you answer that
remember that you did say/imply that great jumping ability is the reason
for black dominance in NBA basketball.

And please, don't bother trying to deny this one also.

>         level, so naturally the others get weeded out of competing,
>         until all that's left are the better jumpers/athletes/players.
>
>Gary:
>   Why don't you prove your point with cold hard unadulterated facts.
>   Facts untained by your own racial biases. Prove that blacks jump
>   better. Spare me the use of the NBA as your proof.  Sports is not
>   representative of society as a whole.  i.e Most people don't make as
>   much as the NBA minimum, the ratio of blacks to whites is not the
>   same.  Get some reputable sources. Don't bother citing KKK weekly.
>
>WC: I went through this with the X-jammer (or whatever?!?).  I don't
>    care to go researching to see who has written up studies on the matter.
>    I'm not going to conduct one myself.

So what you are saying is that, you just invented this crap based on your
racial biases, and you are spreading it around with no legitimate evidence
to back it up.

>  I'm simply looking at life 
>    and pointing out the obvious.  I did not base my viewpoint on the
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's funny, that's what they used to say about the earth (It's flat).
Because its obvious from their limitted knowledge/intelligence that it
was.

>    NBA.  I said from the beginning that blacks through all levels
>    seem to jump better than non-blacks.
     ^^^^
Not everything is as it seems.  The earth aint flat.  Their doesn't seem
to be any air in the room.

Has it occured to you that through all these "levels of sports" that
poor people can practice just as well as rich people.

>  I used sports because that's
>    the environment where you can see living, running, breathing proof
>    on the matter.

If you bend it to prove your point.

>Spare me with the KKK shit, I love how you clowns 
>    take a statement that says blacks seem to jump better than non-blacks
*******
>    and then create this whole other notion that that means I think 
>    blacks are inferior to whites or blacks don't belong on the same
>    land as whites or whatever.     
*******
I never said those words.  I wonder where you got them from.  hmmmmm.

>
>Gary:
>   It got started because a few people like you wanted to show your
>   ignorance.  You desparately want to excuse your lazyness and lack
>   of success in sports by fabricating this nonsense about blacks
>   being more athletically gifted.
>
>WC: You can really work yourself into a tizzy, can't you dude? 
>    Speaking of fabrication.  Where did you come up with any idea about
>    my laziness or success in sports?  Well, you fabricated it.  I'm
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"I'm simply looking at life and pointing out the obvious."

>    actually not lazy at all.  I'm actually very good in sports.  I 
>    have much better than average quickness and verticle, and I'm
>    pretty fast.  

Sounds pathethic if you ask me.  But since you believe that, then, it
would explain where you get these ideas from.  I didn't make it to the
Pro's because ......   
Hey don't flame me, "I'm simply looking at life and pointing out the
obvious."

>
>Gary:
>	   As far as this crap about preordained shooting ability
>   is concerned.  It's too bad you can't meet Larry Bird and expound
>   your theory of preordained shooting ability.  I'm sure he would
>   slap you back a few thousand times.  One for each day he was
>   out there practicing his shots and moves.  The guy gets to the
>   game 1hr early to get in a groove.
>
>WC:  Ok, guy.  I suppose if you had just put in the same hours as
>     Larry you would be as good as him.  Gee, just think, if you put
>     in a couple more hours each day, maybe skipping school or 
>     something, you would be even better!  Imagine that!  If someone
>     could just explain to Chris Dudley that he's a bad shooter because
>     he doesn't practice enough, I'm sure he could just turn it around.
>     You know, just come out about 6 hours prior to game time to "Get
>     in a groove!"

There are other factors to the game half-wit.
Are you really going to sit here and say that it is preordained that
a guy like Michael Smith can't shoot.  Or Danny Ferry, or Mark Alarie,
or Dennis Hopson who was regarded as a can't miss shooter.

Can some regular BYU fans, Duke Fans, school this fool.  Educate the man.

At least come up with something intelligent to defend this statement.
You haven't with the others.  These guys could all shoot very well in
college and high school, but once they get to the pro's its a different.
Why?  Obviously it couldn't be because they are genetically incapable of
being shooters.  Their may be quite a few different reasons why Dudley
cant shoot well.  Game pressure, bad technique, practices too much but
doesn't bother to play all that much. etc. etc.  Last I checked their
weren't any genes for basketball ability.  I don't know Chris Dudley
I don't know how he practices etc, so I can't comment on what he is
doing wrong.

I once went 16 straight free throws and then bricked and airballed the
last four shots, in an attempt to beat a friend of my who shot 16/20.
I have a problem with shooting under pressure in non game situations.
Now how does that mean that I am preordained to be a bad shooter.

[ Some of your mindless junk deleted ]

>Gary:
>   I used to play with this guy at Umass-Boston, major bricklayer
>   1-10 on wide open shots.  Then one day I said to him that
>   everytime you shoot, all I want to here you say is "count it",
>   Now he hits almost all of them, has the nerve to talk trash
>   to me too.  There was no change in his style.
>
>WC: Wow.  Nevermind that last statement.  Quit your day job immediately.
>    Shooting consultant, now that sounds like you.  
>
>    So, I guess it goes like this.  
>    
>    Russ: shooting is based on developing the skill through practice
>          and time devotion.
>    Wayne: other than adjustments in technique, and limited improvement
>           from repitition, shooting is based on rythm, touch, and other
>           abilities that are attained genetically.
>    Gary: shooting is based on hours practicing and whether or not you
>          say "count it" everytime you shoot.

Like I said before, you have a problem with English comprehension and
logical thought.  The point of that story was to show that his shooting
problem was not genetic it was lack of confidence.  That there are reasons
why some can or can't shoot.

>
>Gary:
>   Stop shovelling this BS.  This preordained stuff is crap.
>   Ooops my fault, you meant preordained for blacks, both of
>   these guys are white.  I'll have to come up with a better
>   example.
>
>WC: Once again, you've conjured up what "I meant" from nowhere.
>    Preordained applies to all.  I never said otherwise.

"I'm simply looking at life and pointing out the obvious."

>    No, don't get better examples, I may have to actually work to
>    discredit them.  The ones you've used so far have been great.

You've yet to discredit anything I've said.  All you've done is repeated
what you said before, over and over, in different ways.  A typical ploy
of bigots, They can't prove what they are saying, so the just keep
repeating it in hopes that it will become fact.

You know, I don't seem to see you commenting on any bball related articles.
Did you just get on to spread this racist crap.

P.S	the word it vertical, not verticle.  There is no such word as
	verticle.  What a moron.

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