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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Replicator Query
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:50:51 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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sl6wv@cc.usu.edu wrote:

> 	Just to further add to the argument.  It seems as though there have
> been episodes in both TNG as well as TOS that were based in Dilithium mines,
> and these were considered to be **VERY** valuable, to the point that even
> peacenics like the Federation considered going to war over them.  I guess that
> some crude Dilithium crystals must have been found in the solar system, or at
> the very least a nearby star that can be reached by Bussard ramjet, or else
> Earth would have never achieved the warp drive.

Actually, dilithium crystals are not necessary for warp drive.  They
improve the efficiency of  warp drive, so early warp travel would not have
needed the crystals.  However, once they were made available, I imagine
that warp drive design changed to require them -- i.e., a dilithium warp
drive can not run without the crystals, but a drive could be built which
did not require them, though would be much slower and less efficient.

CJW

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: udo again
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:05:10 GMT

In article <105574@netnews.upenn.edu> kkepkep@foxtrot.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw) writes:
>
>  Here are some questions about Udo;

It's "Odo".

> 1.why does he have to regenerate?

It probably requires energy to keep a shape other than his natural one for any
length of time. His "regeneration" is most likely akin to sleep.

> 2.does he have to regenerate even if he didnt shapeshift?

Do you have to sleep even if you spent all day in bed?

> 3.does he eat or breathe, if yes what?

Almost certainly. As to what, well, the atmosphere of DSN seems to be 
compatible. We haven't seen him eat any food yet, so we don't know what
kind it is, but I'm sure he needs sustenance of some sort.

> 4.if he changes its shape does he also receive the powers of that shape too?

Depends on what you mean by "powers". If you mean could he turn into a lion
and bite off your arm, the answer is yes. If you mean could he turn into a
Betazoid and read your mind, the answer is no. At least I sincerely hope it
is. Odo can easily reproduce physical "powers", but mental/intangible ones
should be beyond his grasp.


-- 
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From: 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser)
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:05:27 GMT

sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS) writes:
>>
>    Check out the U.S.S. Phoenix, in "The Wounded". It is Nebula class.
>    I still think that the Nebula class just looks like a streamlined
>    Reliant class....From ST2:TWOK.  Anybody else???

>    
>-- 
>~Steve
>sh09@lehigh.edu

i'd say your right, however (according to the TechManual)
the new saucer shape dictated new math to figure out the warp
geometry, etc...	plus it's four times bigger (or so) than the 
regular Miranda class starships (if the saucer is the same size as E-D's)

matthew
52kaiser
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From: mjv8557@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Mark J. Vandiver)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Organization: be41t
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:55:18 GMT

chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:

>In article <19355@mindlink.bc.ca> Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca writes:

>>>>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>>>>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>>>
>>>HEY!!! Knock it off, some of us haven't seen the first episode yet, it
>>>doesn't start here till Thursday........please put SPOILERS in your
>>>subject line!
>>
>>Don't worry, it's not a spoiler.. It's 'almost' the same scene (different
>>angles etc.) that we saw when the borg came to earth..A bunch of dead
>>starfleet ships and the borg shooting the ones that were still alive. It has
>>nothing (directly) to do with the plot of the show.

>"when the borg came to earth" - what season is that in?  We've only had
>up to the the first episode of season 4 (Best Of Both Worlds part 2),
>and we won't get any more until 1995 (I think - could be 1996).  Gods
>know when (if at all) we'll get DS-9.

I believe that the No was NCC-3181

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time Travel and Causality Violation
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:35:04 GMT
Organization: Keristor Systems
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In article <TCHUA.93Jan15072251@soda.qmw.ac.uk> tchua@soda.qmw.ac.uk writes:

>This is an attempt to rationalise the "rules" of time travel as we see
>them in episodes of STAR TREK. These are entirely my own speculations,
>and I'm a lawyer, dammit, not a temporal physicist, so bear with me...

[much deleted to conserve bandwith]

At last, an 'explanation' with which I can agree!  The 'multi-stream'
theory is my favorite, and (IMO) the only one which allows time travel
without causing paradoxes.

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From: sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: More evidence about Data's link and another question
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:50:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

More evidence that it's possible for data to interface with the
computer without being "hardwired":  There was an episode (season 5 I
believe) in which the computer deactivated phasers.  It was the one
where a guy claimed to be a time traveler.  If the computer can talk
to phasers, it certainly can talk to Data.

It's obvious that this is just a writer's thing.  If Data was
permanently interfaced with the computer, would he not be part of it?

I have a simpler related question:  Although Data should probably not
be hooked into the computer on a permanent basis, wouldn't it be a lot
easier for him to receive simple data, such as text pages and diagrams
through a channel other than his eyes?  Perhaps a fiberoptic link, or
better yet subspace transmission- it's faster than the light could
travel from the com panel to his eyes.  It seems strange that he looks
at the thing and tells the computer to display it as fast as possible.

-- 
Steve Gilbert   |  I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant. 
sg0d@Lehigh.edu |  Get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So
From: sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:03:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <C15t9K.Knw@unccsun.uncc.edu>, ebstokes@uncc.edu (Edward B Stokes) wr
ites:
>
>     What is a Nebula class starship? has it appeared in TNG?
>
    Best example was the USS Phoenix, in the episode where Capt. Ben
    Maxwell decides to declare war on the Cardassians.  It looked to me
    like a sleeker Reliant class (ST2:TWOK)......Comments?

    
-- 
~Steve
sh09@lehigh.edu
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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kane)
Subject: Re: A little more discovered on Wolf 359 ships
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:35:17 GMT

This is in reference to the Saratoga firing from the dish...

Perhaps they were trying to put together a counter similar to
what Picard and Riker and LaForge had devised.  They didn't
have enough time to refit all their couplings (like the others
did), or maybe they screwed up, or maybe it was something else
altogether.

If you recall (mild spoiler for DS9) O'Brien fires a 'compression
pulse blast' from the phaser banks aboard the station... this is
made out by him to be something very powerful, which will burn 
out the phaser banks if overused (he says "I MIGHT be able to give
you one more compression blast, sir")...

Maybe this is what was going on with the Saratoga.  It would
have explained the rerouting of phasers to the deflector dish
(if the compression blast used more power than was feasible 
through the phaser emitters... keep in mind that the Enterprise's
are the most powerful shipborne emitters Starfleet has (besides
planetary defensive banks, as per the Tech Manual, type X+) and
I doubt the Saratoga would come close to that).

As an aside --

I thought the visual effect on the Saratoga's escape pod (when it
zooms out of the ship) is REALLY cool.  Made my day anyway.

_________________

Kane
domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: weed-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Weed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "Rascals"---You Call That Fighting?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:00:47 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <w-m3x8n@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth11.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>  While I liked the episode, I found some of the military performance of
>Starfleet (the 'military' branch of the Federation---I think) horrible.
>Specifically...
>
>  Lt. Commander Worf, who is supposedly SUCH an excellent warrior, MISSES his
>phaser shot!  Also, about the shot itself---it's a JOKE---the pharengi just
>dodged!  Why did they switch to phasers if they move at a snail's pace?
>
>  As for their tactical manuvers to avoid the BOP's, WTF?  Why didn't they
>manuver on Impulse to obtain a good firing position?  Shabby, shabby.
>
>  No wonder some people suggest that Starfleet is weak---if a few Pharengi
>can defeat the flagship of Starfleet, then Starfleet's really in poor shape.
>

There are too many problems with this episode to mention.
However, from the comedy standpoint, it is one of the funniest things I have ever "watched" in a long time.(for those who may not know, I am blind)
Wish that they could have done something to improve the biological acuracy of the episode as well, but I think that anything done on this score would have killed the captain etc.


-- 
"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets 
which it must turn over to the next generation, increased and not 
impaired in valued."  --President Theodore Roosevelt
Matthew Weed	weed-matthew@suned.zoo.cs.yale.edu
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From: chaudoir@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bernard Chaudoir)
Subject: DSN9: Virus
Reply-To: a10ryc8@mp.cs.niu.edu
Organization: Northern Illinois University, DeKalb Illinois.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:31:59 GMT

Someone posted about the 'Virus' episode on r.a.s.current, howevre
I lost the post so I could not include it...Noone answered it and
I don't think it was posted here, but it brought up a very good
point...

Since the 'virus' disabled the filter on the replicators, hence the
crew caught the virus, why did they not simply use the transporters
to cure the crew. The transporters Bio-Filters still should have
been functional, correct? Or do Cardassien (sp?) transporters not
have Bio-Filters.

Ric
From: kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Time travel
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:48:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


    I am not sure if this had been discussed before or not but i fail
  to understand how a ship can travel in time by going towards a sun
  with high warp speed. Is it due to the gravitational effect of the sun?
  If so would the same thing work with a read dwarf or a black hole?
  
  Thanks in advance for the replies

								DC
From: weed-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Weed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Let's invade a planet!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:35:52 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <1993Jan23.171400.4486@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:
>bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes:
>
>
>>People were talking about carrying marines aboard Federation starships
>>earlier.  With Star Trek technology, who needs a strike contingent
>>aboard a capital ship?  The only reason I can think of carrying
>>troops (besides security) is for boarding enemy ships/bases.
>>For planetary invasions, a few thousand marines aren't going to be
>>of much use.  Besides, you could stun the population using the
>>ship's phasers from orbit.
>>  -- Gil
>
>somehow i don't think that a Type X phasar array on a starship
>can be set to stun
>my $0.02
>
>matthew
It really doesn't matter whether the Type-X phaser array is capable of being set for stun or not.  
Since an orbital bombardment of any type will put troops in the open at risk, 
one would think that military planners would 
protect their troops to the best of their ability.
This would likely mean bunkering, armor, where possible, and other 
defensive measures.  In any case, the troops would be
quite protected from orbital attack.
Therefore, landing forces would be necessary in order to clear defenders
from their positions.  This would be particularly true in
urbanized areas, where twentieth century experience 
shows us that operations in built up areas are often highly costly in both men/materiel and time.
Therefore, landing troops equipped with portable field artillery would be necessary in order to ensure that the target was captured 
without undue damage as would occur if 
starships were simply allowed to use their main weaponry at "full" power.
Since most battles are fought to capture something,
this last would not seem an acceptable alternative
in many (if not most) circumstances.



-- 
"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets 
which it must turn over to the next generation, increased and not 
impaired in valued."  --President Theodore Roosevelt
Matthew Weed	weed-matthew@suned.zoo.cs.yale.edu
From: randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua E. Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: DS9:  Docking Ring
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:46:18 -0500
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: world
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Where exactly do ships dock on Deep Space Nine?  In
"Emissary", it looks as though the Enterprise is docked at
one of the three verticle parts of the station.  However,
later in the same episode O'Brien says that the Cardassians
might hit the docking ring, which is vulnerable; to me, this
implies the actual ring or central part of the station.  And
when it comes to fighting that is where the Cardassians do
aim their shots.

Also, in "Babel", the panicked captain's ship seems to be
attached to the ring part, not one of the verticle parts.
And Odo comments that if he blows up he will take "half the
docking ring" with him.

So, two questions I guess, where do ships dock, and what the
heck does "docking ring" refer to?

(Any chance of a DS9 Technical Manual?  :-)

-- 
Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu
From: schmcker@galois.uoregon.edu (Steven F. Schmucker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Odo's molecules - where do they go?
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:41:08 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
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I've lost the previous discussion on this topic, so please forgive me if  
I'm going over something that's already been said.

However, in all the responses I've seen there seems to be the assumption  
that Odo is relatively massive when in human form (i.e. at least as  
massive as a human being).  This would indeed make him somewhat hefty when  
rat-sized.  Most of the evidence for his being massive seems to center  
around his being able to throw people around with ease.  So he's strong,  
no necessarily heavy.  As anyone who has seen a 100 lb. black belt throw a  
250 lb. man knows, mass is _not_ necessary to be a badass.  With Odo's  
mutable nature it's also possible that he can alter the rigidity of his  
body without making any visible changes.  This would allow him to use  
leverage without looking like he is.

Steven Schmucker
stevenfs@ilix.uoregon.edu
From: weed-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Weed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time travel
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:31:57 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <106381@netnews.upenn.edu> kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw) writes:
>
>    I am not sure if this had been discussed before or not but i fail
>  to understand how a ship can travel in time by going towards a sun
>  with high warp speed. Is it due to the gravitational effect of the sun?
>  If so would the same thing work with a read dwarf or a black hole?
>								DC


s I understand it, it is necessary to travel faster than warp 10
in the early standard federation warp factoring system.
However, this requires more power than the engines can produce,
so a massive body such as a star or black hole would be necessary
for the maneuver.  A red dwarf might not have 
sufficient mass to assist the vessel to velocities faster than warp 10,
and therefore might not be useable without going too close to the surface of the body.
The use of these massive objects may also be necessary since diving on one pole 

f the object's magnetic field will send you back, while the other (opposite), pole will help you forward in time.(this is my theory, and I have little basis in fact).
Hope this is useful.

-- 
"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets 
which it must turn over to the next generation, increased and not 
impaired in valued."  --President Theodore Roosevelt
Matthew Weed	weed-matthew@suned.zoo.cs.yale.edu
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From: kidknee@pro-smof.cts.com (Joe Fowler)
Subject: Re: The Q-Girl
Date: 24 Jan 93  2:31:29 GMT 
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]

    Maybe... just maybe, the Q couldn't take her powers away like they did
to Q because she was part human.  She was also young, verile and health...
something the less recent inhabitants of the Q continium may or may not be.
Of course these couldd just be more reasons on the heap.  I suspect a fair
combination of reasons was at work.

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Subject: Q Girl episode
From: <JJSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 22:19:43 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

The Q girl episodes Is an episode in the sixth season here in the United
States.  An 18 year old student is picked to do research on the Enterprise
and the crew finds out she has extraordinary mental powers because Q has
created dangerous stituations for her to fix such as a core breach.  She
and the crew finds out that she is of the Q and that the Q want her back.
Turns out her parents were Q and wanted to live on Earth. For some reason
the Continuium wanted them to return but they didn't want to go so the
Continuium killed her parents.  The Girl tries to lead a normal life
after finding out she's Q but if she can't she'll have to go back with
Q.  She ends up going with Q because she used her powers to save a planet.
Hope this answers your question?  Do you watch Dr. Who?

                                            Joe Svitak
                                      New York City, U.S.A.
From: weed-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew Weed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time Travel/Enterprise C
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:24:57 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <1993Jan26.210144.9499@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ccartwri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine A Cartwright) writes:
>I have just spent the last few days reading a vast number of postings
>on this net.  I hope my question/observation is not too rediculas.
>
>The concept of time travel/alternative time lines has been discussed
>recently, and it brings to mind a seeming inconsistancy I discovered
>years ago.  Being new to this net, it is quite possible that many
>others of you saw it as well.
>
>In the episode where the E encountered 1701-C, the basic concept
>was that they had been thrown into the *wrong* time line.  It wasn't
>supposed to be like that - history had been changed.
>But. .
>The D did not *cause* the C to come through the tear in space -
>C was brought through due to events in its own time.  Therefore,
>if the events of the alternative or *wrong* time line were caused
>by the C coming through, and the C went through of its own (time)
>volition, then that alternative time line was not the *wrong* one,
>but the true one.  The Enterprise D's actions changed history -
>they did not restore it.
Yes, I think you're right.  However, since The Federation was to be defeated in the alternate timeline (something which I find suspicious for resource/political/technological/economic reasons) The time line had to be ended.
Without such an ending, the first two-and-a-half years of TNG would be spurious, and the writers would have to learn how to fight battles properly *very* quickly.
>
>Now it is entirely posible that Guinan was making a value judgement,
>but then, why would she not then be able to tell what possible
>alternitives could result from every action?
her powers have always been undefined, she may have some idea of the consequences of Star Fleet actions as they occur.
>
>Am I nuts? (Perhaps that's an entirely different question).
I think no, but who can be sure.:)
>Katherine


-- 
"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets 
which it must turn over to the next generation, increased and not 
impaired in valued."  --President Theodore Roosevelt
Matthew Weed	weed-matthew@suned.zoo.cs.yale.edu
From: kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: stop it with Data
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:39:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


   Excuse me , I really do not want to offend anyone but these discussions
  about modifying Data are getting out  of hand. First someone offered to
  built a phasor into Data, then someone else wanted Data to be able to
  communicate with the ship without a comm badge, so an internal communicator
  was proposed. And now people are discussing how Data could be linked to
  the computer. I think Data would not appreciate any of these offers since
  they would just alienate him from the crew by treating him as a machine.
  Please try to discuss other things and please those of you who are planning
  to propose a warp drive built into Data , let it go.

								DC