Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:18:34 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <1992Nov3.132830.26992@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
 <92312.0328112893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Nov7.233932.8142@ennews.eas.asu.edu>

In article <1992Nov7.233932.8142@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:
>
>In article <92312.0328112893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># In article <1992Nov3.132830.26992@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
># makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:
>
># >In article <92308.0204012893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
># ><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># ># In article <1992Nov2.135108.17692@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu
># >(Eliot
># ># Shimoff) says:
>
># ># >>>In article <92306.1839142893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
># ># >>><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># ># >Think back.  Did you assessment of Kahane materially add to the
># ># >ongoing discussion?
>
># ># Opposing hero-worship of tyrants is always worthwhile.
>
># >        Agreed.  And as an ordained Orthodox Rabbi he would do
># >everything in his pwoer to discourage :hero worship" of him.
>
># Well, at least you agree he's a tyrant:)
>
>        I will chalk that incredibly stupid response to what I wrote to
>the fact that you have trouble grasping even the most simple elements
>of the English language.

Sheesh! It's a joke! See the smiley--the :) symbol, I'm well aware of
what he was trying to say, I was just having fun with what he DID say
or rather forgot to say.

>
># ># I find it
># ># repulsive that Kahane is idolised in death, he was a dangerous madman, a
># ># true dictator in waiting who only preached hatred and intolerance.
>
># >        I find it repulsive that you keep on posting these lies.  Listen
># >people, why don't you read what he actually wrote instead of repeating
>
># I did read what he actually wrote.
>
>        Fine.  Tha why don't you post something he wrote in its complete
>context (or give th source so we can check the context and make sure
>your being honest) and tell us what about it you have a prblem with.
>

Because I didn't spend any money on his books. I read them in Robarts Library
about a year ago and haven't had time to check out the Queen's library
to see if they're also here.

># >the same old lies the Jewish establishment who were justafiably afraid
># >of him because they knew he was right on would catch on fast if left
># >alone made up about him.
>
># Like David Irving, Meir Kahane was banned from entering Canada because of
># his racist views and incitement of hatred and violence
>
>        Wrong.  He was banned from Canada because of pressure from the
>Canadian Jewish establishment.  They were politically afraid of him
>also.  If you do not believe me, ask Ghandi to come speak.
>

I'd never think I'd hear a Jew proposing a Jewish conspiracy theory. He was
banned because of his criminal record, attained from hate related crimes in
the U.S. and Israel. I believe their was also a concern that he would break
our Hate Laws or incite violence while here. People with criminal records
especially when it is anticipated that they will repeat the crime here are
as a rule barred from entering the country, regardless of the opinons of
the "Canadian Jewish establishment"

># ># While my statement may have been excessively strident, I do maintain that
># ># Kahane's death should no more be mourned than the death of Ceausescu.
>
># >        I do maintain that you have not read one word of the late
># >Rabbi's.
>
># Actually, I spent an afternoon in Robarts Library reading "Let them Go"
>                                                             ^^^ ^^^^ ^^
>
>        Me thinks you might be a liar.
>
># and other pearls from the Kahane collection and found them reminiscent
># of other readings from ultra-nationalists and fascists
>
>        What from his "collection" led you to that conclusion (this has to
>do with the challenge I gave above)?
>

I recall that near the end of "Let them Go", Kahane articulated a vision where
all nations are built on an ethno-centric model with the absence of internal
minorities. I find that chilling

># Also, I have a friend in toronto who is a follower of Kahane and we have
># discussed his views extensively. I suspect anyone who tells you they think
># he's a racist, even if they've read every word he's written will be told
># they havent read him.
>
>        Wrong.  I do not believe he was a racist.  However, most of the
>people who claim he is have not read a single word.  I would be
>delighted to have a reasonable exchange of ideas on this subject with
>people who actually know what they are talking about.  All they have
>to do is post (or email if they prefer) a specific argument and I
>would be more than happy to respond.  One person in this exchange who
>claims the Rabbi is a racist has done some reading.  I will not accuse
>him of anything even though I disagree with him.
>--
>"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
>that pleases you."
>
>From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>

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