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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:50:45 GMT

In article <11DEC92.19757869.0082@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7O2@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B7O2000) writes:
>Ahh ... but does anybody actually GO to games and when they do, is it
>to watch hockey or be watched? Do you realize that the Kings are only
>the latest cali fad ... situation's just like in Toronto with the
>baseball Blue Jays where half the crowd leaves before the seventh inning
>(or second period ...)
>

So then Blue Jay fans are just like Dodger fans...

...hockey is the best sport around...and Disney obviously intends to market it
to a young audience who will fill the seats when the "in" crowd moves
on.

Gerald
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From: kristman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Kristmanson)
Subject: Where is Chris Nilan ????
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:39:50 GMT

Does anyone know where Chris Nilan is nowadays ???


Just Wondering
Dan
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Kings #1?!? Hahahahahahaha! (was Re: B
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:56 GMT

In article 022303RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:
>Hmmmm - Kings beat the Penguins 5-3.  Kings lost to Sharks 6-0.  So, Penguins
>should lose to Sharks, but wait Penguins crushed Sharks 9-4 (Mario - 7 points
>thank you.)  So what the hell are you trying to say???  Montreal lost to
>Ottawa, too.  One game doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot!

It does when you're a Sharks fan...

gak

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From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fastest line in the NHL
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:38:27 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <BzCD2A.Jrn@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:
> How about this line:
> 
> Andreychuk-LaFontaine-Mogilny?
> 
> Anson

although I am a big Buffalo Sabres fan, Andreychuk is just too damm slow!

Umm... I would have to say LaFontaine, Mogilny, and Brad May is pretty quick.



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Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu) 
(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Maisack)
Subject: Thanks for all the answers concerning Hamilton
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:32:00 GMT

...and for all who have not heard so far, it's
in Ontario.

Michael
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.013125.21314@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.124357.17536@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Minnesota was an anomaly, and anomalies happen infrequently...however,
>>Chicago did self-destruct, and Caron traded away his team in February
>>of that season to the Canucks, and the Oilers were banged up after
>>wars with Calgary and LA...and Casey got hot, and Gainey is one hell
>			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>of a coach...but then look at Minnesota's record in the second half of
>>that season...again, then perhaps the playoff performance is
>>unsurprising...it took a new coach, Gainey, 40 games, to get his
>>teams performance up to snuff.
>
>Is this really fair then?  If you look at the entire season, players like
>Casey can go on a hot streak and then come back down to the normal level of
>performance, but in the playoffs they get rewarded for streaky play.  (e. g.,
>Sean Burke)
>

But Casey going on a long hot string is not an anomaly...and he was hot
for the entire 40 games prior to the playoffs and for most of the two
seasons previous to that...he has a 30 win season in the NHL, something 
most NHL goaltenders cannot claim, and this year he is on another extended hot
run.  Casey's performance was not a fluke...the anomaly was actually
last season's poor performance where he could stop a basketball.

Gerald
From: dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fastest line in the NHL
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:13:40
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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In-reply-to: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:34:57 GMT

In article <BzCD2A.Jrn@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:

   How about this line:

   Andreychuk-LaFontaine-Mogilny?

   Anson

Any line with Dave Andreychuk on it is automatically disqualified for
any category having anything to do with skating.
--
Roland Dreier                                        dreier@math.berkeley.edu
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From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Subject: Atlanta Knights info requested
Reply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:42:15 GMT


I'll be in Georgia from 12/23 to 12/31, and hope to attend an Atlanta
Knights game.  Could someone send me a schedule for that time period?
Any other info such as phone number, location (the Omni?) would also
be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-lisa
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hamilton Tigers Re: Hamilton?
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:54:03 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) writes:

>allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>>Actually, Hamilton had an NHL team in the early half of the Century.
>>(I believe they were called the Hamilton Tigers.)

>According to "Can You Name That Team?" by David B. Biesel, the Tigers started
>out as the Quebec Bulldogs.  The Bulldogs played the 1919/20 season in
>the NHL and became the Hamilton Tigers the following year.  The Tigers
>played through the 1924/25 season and moved to New York, becoming the
>New York Americans.  The Americans played from 1925/26 through 1940/41.
>They spent the 1941/42 season as the Brooklyn Americans and then became
>defunct.

>I have no information on the reasons for any of the moves or changes.  I
>just thought this was interesting based on the current discussion.

In the spring of 1925, the Tigers had finished 1st in the NHL. Because
of the playoff format, this entitled them to a bye in the first round
of the playoffs. (They were to play the winner of the Toronto St. Pats/
Montreal Canadien series.)

However, the players felt that they had played more regular season games
than they were payed for (since the NHL schedule had increased from 24
to 30 games). Because of that, they went on strike (asking for an
extra $200 per player).

The president of the NHL (Frank Calder) put a suspension on the players,
fined them, and demanded they apologize to the league. That ended
the Tiger's bid for the Cup. After that, the Tigers were sold
to NY intrests for $75,000, and the team was renamed the Americans.

I believe that the Rangers' existance is partly due to the
Tigers/Americans. A second team in the area (who turned out
to be the Rangers) was created to allow a local rivalry.
From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Street Hockey
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Also, if anyone has a team that would like to play a Best-Of series with
BASH, please let me know and I'll try to set something up.

Thanks again.

Mike
(shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu)


-- 
It's not love, it's deep seated neurosis. Don't confuse the two.

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:21:49 GMT

bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, 
>>Stanton and Wregget. 

A little wild for my tastes ...

>Not as funny as the Yzerman for Sean Burke rumors gld was posting,
>but close.

Hey!!! (-;

The rumours that I had gotten off of the NY media was Burke plus
another significant warm body for Yzerman and a minor body.  That
was fanned in part by Joe Lapointe, who isn't a fan of Yzerman's
(recall that I reported his pronoucements including on Rangers'
MSG Radio about Yzerman's lack of leadership).  Not my fault! (-;

gld
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Ottawa and Mike's Bossey
Keywords: Bossey Mike Ottawa
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:33:43 GMT

In article <BzGwyE.MJn@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.134444.3185@bmers145.bnr.ca> macauley@bmerh760.bnr.ca (John MacAuley) writes:
>
>>I was in Montreal this week and had an opportunity to read the
>>Gazette sport section.  In it there was an article about the
>>Senators' owner calling Mike Bossey one night at 1:00am and
>>asked him if he would like to be a player/coach for Ottawa.
>>Is this true?  This is definitely the first I have heard about
>>it. 
>
>They wanted him to be a goalscoring coach (no player part).  
>As far as I know, you can't really teach that.  :-)
>

It was a failed publicity stunt by incompetent management in Ottawa...

...a goal-scoring coach...great idea...let's publically announce we
want Mike Bossy as a goal-scoring coach.

Bossy hears this, inquires what the salary is...salary?, Ottawa says...
well, we don't need a goal-scoring coach.

This, of course, was Ottawa's policy with respect to getting players
too...Phil signed free agents such as Kontos and Zamuner and even
John Tucker, I think...so Tampa could perhaps score a few goals...and
actually drafted players in the expansion draft with some history
of marginal offense.

Ottawa's drafting strategy was to pick every failed first round 
draft choice in the last ten years...as if the fact that they were
once picked in the first round were a better indicator of their
ability, then several years in the AHL...and let's not mention selecting
players not eligible to draft, and losing players via   
non-recallable waivers.

And then they have the gall to promulgate the myth that they drafted
for the future and that they are a younger team than Tampa, when 
Tampa is the younger hockey team.

Gerald
From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Adams VS. Patrick again...
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:36:12 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Dean as Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.030651.8296@wam.umd.edu> lulu@wam.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) writes:
>>New Jersey.  I see 4 strong teams in the Patrick that should end up 
>>pretty close together by the end of the season.  I just can't see 
>>Pittsburgh playing this well for that long.
>
>Ok.  I'll bite.   Why not?  They got the two-time defending champs, 
>the best player in the world, and the best coach to ever stand 
>behind the bench.  Barring injury, I see about a 115-120 point season.

Just a hunch.  They've never had a season anywhere close to this one.
I mean regular season.  The Pens were just as good last year, but
needed a last minute rush to get into the playoffs.  They turn into a 
different team in April.  (Opposite of what the Caps and Rangers do.)

Dave Lu
From: stud7b43@bmerh925.bnr.ca (Mike Squance)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Keywords: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:13:09 GMT
Reply-To: newuser@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada


In article <schuck.724469328@sfu.ca>, schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce
Jonathan Schuck) writes:
|> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <schuck.724446644@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
|> >>tracyj@hall103.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Allan Tracy) writes:
|> >>
|>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- Award
|> >>>SCORING               TEAM    GAMES  GOALS  ASSISTS  POINTS  +/- 
PIM Predict.
|>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
|> >>>Mario Lemieux         Pitt     31     33      49       82     25  
20 Hart, Art
|> >>>Pat LaFontaine        Buff     31     22      33       55      2   33
|> >>>Jari Kurri            L.A.     31     17      34       51     22   12
|> 
|> 
|> >[other scorers left out for brevity's sake]
|> 
|> 
|> >>
|> >>You meant NHL Points Leaders right?
|> >>
|> >>You left out a bunch of the top scorers and left in a bunch of
great passers.
|> 
|> >Usually *I* get picky about such things, but even I wouldn't have
|> >pointed this one out.
|> 
|> I was only being picky because way *too* much attention is given to
|> assists and nowhere *enough* attention is given to goals.
|> 
|> A goal is worth more than an assist because goals win games, not
|> assists.
|> 
	I don't know what hockey you watch, but I've seen hundreds of goals
	where the person getting the assist does all the work and the goal
	scorer just puts a puck into an empty net.

	I agree that goals win games, but many goals are only goals because
	of a great pass. I can't see someone like Brett Hull being ahead of
	someone like Gretzky (not that there is anyone like Gretzky) just 
	because more credit was given to goals.

|> PS This pickiness has *nothing* to do with Bure not making the list. :)
|> 
	Neither does mine...;)
		 		
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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why hockey isn't popular in the U.S.
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:28:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester


    I don't know if the following has been brought up but here goes.

People have been comparing hockey to other sports and have said that
hockey is not as much of a team sport as the others.  I disagree
with this because a team often has four lines of offence and three
lines of defence, all of whom need to play well together.  Most
hockey teams don't have more than a couple star players (Yes I have
looked at Pittsburgh's lineup, it is an aberration, not normal :)
Even when those star players are on the ice, the action does
not necessarily center on them.  Looking at the other major league
sports:

    Basketball: Usually one, maybe two players per team that are
                of star or near-star quality.  Action pretty
                much centers around them for the entire game.

    Football:   Action centers around the quarterback.  Quarterback's
                names are mentioned far more than any others, and
                their play usually make the difference in the entire game.
                As was mentioned before, football only has about
                10 minutes of action per game(at most 20 min/game).
                
    Baseball:   No real reason for its popularity :) even though
                I do like it.

    Soccer:     I have never ever been able to watch a soccer game
                even though I played the sport for 10 years.  If I
                wasn't playing I was bored to death.

    Hockey just isn't designed for people who are either not certified
fans of the sport or "homies".  Too much concentration is needed to
actually follow the game and the casual watcher (ie only watches when
forced to) is going to be confused.  I almost never watch a game
without something else to do, either go to bar with friends or read a
book and just look up when things sound interesting.

    One thing I have found funny is that a lot of hockey fanatics seem
to hate baseball (watching at least) and a lot of baseball fanatics
hate hockey.

Oh well, sorry so long,

Kev
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From: gromet@ncifcrf.gov (Nancy J. Gromet)
Subject: Re: Hockey Movies
Organization: Biomedical Supercomputer Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:10:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.032013.5855@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.124149.2988@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>
>|> 
>|> So far we've got four hockey movies now: 
>|> 
>|> Slapshot
>|> Miracle on Ice
>|> Youngblood
>|> Touch and Go
>|> 
>|> Anybody know of any others?
>|> 
>|> 								Alan
>
>What about this year's movie, "The Mighty Ducks", starring Charlie Sheen,
>and I believe there was one in the 70's called "Paperback Hero", starring
>Kier Dullea and Elizabeth Ashley.
>
>					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU

OK, so it's not a movie, but does anyone remember that soap opera
kind of thing called "He Shoots, He Scores"?  It had the up-and-coming
rookie, the aging veteran, etc.etc.  It was absolutely awful and I
just lived for Thursday nights when it was on.  Particularly the re-runs
over the summer.
-- 
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Ex-Goddess of Sequencing                                            Hockey Bimbo
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:32:24 GMT

In article <sfAVKLe00iV4M2lGED@andrew.cmu.edu>, Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> Eric Rickin writes:
> 
> >After being in Ann Arbor for long enough, I have a feeling that if
> >Yzerman was traded, there would be a stink, but a lot more people would
> >be happy than mad.  But, if probert was traded, all hell would break
> >loose.
> 
> Yeah, but people get over these things.  I thought Philadelphia (the
> city, not the team) would crumble when Tocchet left.  But I was just
> there a few weeks ago and it's still standing.

Yeah, but where you around Philly much before the trade? The popular
consensus at the time was to trade Tocchet and bring in some fresh blood.
And the trade that was worked out was clearly a push at the absolute worst
for the FLYERS, and everybody knew it.

I don't know if people in Detroit are talking about getting rid of Probert,
but even if they are this trade seems kinda lopsided to me. And I can't
imagine that the Red Wings fans would be happy.

pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact.
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why Wayne should NOT return (Kindling)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:19:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1gsp64INN31c@fnnews.fnal.gov> jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Dr. J) writes:
>I'm sort of tiring of the Penguin drivel, so I offer some holiday cheer.  Get 
>those blow torches ready.  Here's why the Great One should concentrate on Janet 
>& the kids and his new career as an entrepeneur.
>
>1. The Kings are having a great year anyway (attendance-wise and hockey-wise). 
>   I guess it's possible for him to make a significant contribution, but it 
>   seems unlikely to me.
>
>2. He could be risking serious injury.
>
>3. He has nothing left to accomplish, and certainly nothing to prove.
>
>4. There is some risk of him becoming a cartoon.  At one point during last
>   season (Februaru or so), 1/3 of his goals were empty-netters (8 of 23, I 
>   think).  This is preposterous for a man who is not only the greatest player
>   ever, but has always been synonomous with "Class".  Time to let it go, Wayne.
>   It's been terrific, but we have Mario, Jeremy, Sakic, et. al.
>-- 

IMHO, you can never have too many hockey stars.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 01:12:34 EST
From: <IO20866@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject:    Re: Player of the Week?

I think that this suggestion that Iafrate should be seconded. As a Caps fan, I
am glad to see Iafrate finally playing the hockey that he was acquired for.
However, I think that Iafrate deserves better than player of the week, or
player of the month, I think that he should get serious attention as Norris
trophy candidate, and a selection to the all-star team would be nice also. He
even got attention on Hockey Night in Canada this wkk, saying that he had
scored 22 points in 10 games. Has the all-star rosters come out yet, and does
anybody know when they do ? Thanx for the information.
From: bn328@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian P. Blume)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Anyone have a Pen's Schedule handy?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:48:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	I'm looking for a Pen's schedule specifically home games
     between December 19th and January 19th.  If you have the whole
     schedule or at least part of it, could you please E-mail it.
-- 
-Brian Paul Blume
-College of Business
-Kent State University
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