HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: Re: Idea For Weapon 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:34:07 GMT

 rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) shoots off with...

>I watched "Best of Both Worlds I" (again) last night
>and came up with a good idea for a weapon to fight
>the borg with during hand to hand.  Instead of using phasers
>which can be adapted to, they should replicate some 20th
>ccentury hand-guns or machine guns.  Let's see the borg
>adapt to a .357 slug up their ass!

*laugh*  Yeah, right. Same thing happens. One dies, the next ones use
their shield. Welcome, oh mighty freshman.

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Puter	puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com
And you thought there was something here to read...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: andra@protein.uh.edu (andra barrow)
Subject: Re: Picard and Crusher
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:47:50 GMT

> Also, Beverly didn't look angry when Vash usurps her spot at breakfast, she >  
> just seems incredibly curious.  

OH, REALLY? I guess 'curiosity' is what caused her little mean streak of coming  
in all sweetness and light, sitting down in Jean-Luc's chair, drinking out of  
his coffee cup like she does it all the time, and then deciding that a ship's  
tour would be best done right that moment! She also made it a point to call him  
by his first name, dripping with sweetness, at _every_ given opportunity, and  
did you see her face as she paused outside the door to look back at the  
Captain? A look of wholly satisfied wickedness if ever I have seen one. After  
all, Beverly did manage to pry Vash out of her customary seat at breakfast.

BESIDES, what self-respecting Frenchman would be caught dead having an affair  
with a woman named Vash? Vache translates 'cow' in French! :)
From: valiviit@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Valiviita)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Spelling question
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:47:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

How is the Klingons penal asteroid in ST VI spelled?
-- 
  Mika Valiviita  (valiviit@cc.helsinki.fi)  The University of Helsinki
         When you don't know where it is,it's right next to you.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Prime Directive an empty concept
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:29:18 GMT

>In article <1992Sep25.150800.43338@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
> writes:
>>Does anyone feel as I do that the Prime Directive is a completely
>>empty concept?  It seems to be regularly violated, to the point where
>>I can't see any difference between actions carried out under the PD
>>and hypothetical actions that would be carried out without it.
>>
>>If *I* were writing the show, there would be much more discussion about
>>interpreting the PD, along with an established Talmud-like tradition
>>of such interpretation.--

Are you kidding?  We got nothing but Prime Directive pontification for
much of the show's early history.  Need I remind anyone of such winning
episodes as Justice (can we get Wes back without violating the planet's
laws, thus destroying their basis of government?) or Angel One (can we
rescue the crash survivors without violating local law [again]?) or Home
Soil (what happens when a reseacher breaks the PD and exploits a life
form's planet anyway?).  How about "Evolution" (what do we do with the
nanites, a developing, sentient life form, so that they'll be happy and
at the same time, they won't destroy the ship in the process?). 

These were all (fairly) wretched episodes.  The only PD philosophical
discussion show that comes close to being acceptable was "I, Borg".
Not a flame or anything, but thank god you're not writing for the show.

-- 
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Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <67054@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Oh, by the way...having been on the net for about five years now, I can
>assure you I have made innumerable postings on all kinds of subjects,
>ranging from upcoming developments in Trek to answering straight
>information requests to "how do I break in" inquiries.  How quickly
>all that is forgotten in the wake of one tongue-in-cheek observation.
>I haven't gotten this much flack since the guy who wrote that he wanted
>to know how to go about making "submitions," and I posted that the first
>thing he should do is learn to spell.  Sound advice, I thought, considering
>his post was full of misspellings...but boy, did people get cranky.

I'm tempted to say, "That's the net for you", but it's probably more
accurate to say, "That's people for you."

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Model Painting
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:56:26 GMT

What are the best colours for the main colour of the Enterprise-D to be used
to paint the model?  And does anyone now anything about fibre optics?

Jason Farmer
jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca
1
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD)
Subject: Re: Model Painting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:10:00 GMT

In article <jfarmer.717803786@sfu.ca>, jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) writes...
>What are the best colours for the main colour of the Enterprise-D to be used
>to paint the model?  And does anyone now anything about fibre optics?

Well, I dunno about the colors, but head down to your local radio 
shack and grab a bunch of the correctly-coloured wheat grain light
bulbs. I know, I know... not fiber optics, but there should be room
in the kit to fit a battery, and cutting a "door" out from the 
plastic of the secondary hull shouldn't be too hard. Besides, bulb
lighting is easier and more flexible for model kit lighting...
> 
>Jason Farmer
>jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca
>1
From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: A Reason for Riker to stay aboard Enterprise
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:14:58 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <CMM.0.90.2.717560715.mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  Melita L Kennedy <mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> This is in response to the "Riker: Wuss..." message.  Somehow managed to
> delete it.
>
> After watching BoBWII last week, I realized there could be a reasonable
> explanation (imho) for Riker's turning down the latest offer of command.
> He could have been told to, by a higher office of Starfleet.  They may
> have wanted someone they could trust, and who had known Picard for a long
> time, who could watch Picard for signs of instability after the Borg
> episode.  Or they might just have wanted to help keep the ship running
> optimally after all the upheaval.  That could also fit as a personal
> reason for Riker to want to stay.
>
> Melita Kennedy
> mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

   Riker was offered the Melbourne in BoBWI, and I think I have a better
reason why he decided to stay on the E-D *after* the Borg incident...the
Melbourne was destroyed at Wolf 359.  Watch BoBWII again and listen when
the E-D is making its way through the battle site...you'll hear Commander
Shelby mention that the Melbourne was destroyed.

   This is very interesting...if Riker had taken the assignment, he would
have died at 359 (purely speculative).  Instead, he saves the Federation
by having stayed on the E-D.


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: tomsed@ecs.comm.mot.com (Tom Sedlack)
Subject: Chicago Convention (Oct. 10 & 11) Location???
Organization: microcircuits
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:51:20 GMT
Summary: Where is it going to be held????
Keywords: intro star trek newsgroup weekly


There is a convention coming up this weekend (Oct 10-11) in the Chicago land
area.  Does anyone out there know where it is??  I just caught the tail end of
the comercial Saturday.

Thanks,

Tom
From: demirtjis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Ann Demirtjis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Patrick Steward & PBS show: question.
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:05:32 CDT
Organization:  University of Kansas, USA.

-- My apologies if this is the wrong Startrek newsgroup to post to, but
I have a question for u all:
I read a while ago that Patrick Steward will be narrating a show
on PBS about the history of space exploration. Could someone email me 
when this series will be on ?
		Thanks in advance. 
						Ann.
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stupid question about Peter David
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 06:22:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <66978@cup.portal.com><1992Oct1.121924.13737@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU><19
 92Oct1.161249.1919@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
  <67055@cup.portal.com><ivy.718250532@camelot>
  <92278.232425JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>

Mea culpa, in that I'm dreadfully behind on my mail.  I used to answer it
all immediately, but it started coming in in larger and larger batches,
so nowadays I only get up the nerve to tackle it about every month or
so.

But any question that is posed to me on an open board I will answer,
especially if it's a general interest type question.  The thing is, I
don't read the vast majority of stuff because of time constraints.  So if
you want to make sure I notice it, just be sure to toss my name into the
topic header.  Being the egomaniac that I am, I will always take time to
read anything that has my name in it.

Topic headers containing the words "Sex" or "nudity" are, of course, always
good, too.

PAD
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Ferengi Politician?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.113701.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>I was talking to an acquaintence yesterday, who, BTW, is NOT a Trekkie/er
>at all, but has seen a few episodes of TNG.  We were talking politics
>(what else?) and she commented that Ross Perot looks like an alien she
>saw on TNG.  It took me a minute, but then I knew.  Perot = Ferengi!
>I couldn't resist asking the net if anyone else agrees!  Do we want a
>Ferengi in the White House?
>
>Kellie M-S
>internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
>                                          

Not only does he look like a Ferengi, he acts like one too!
He changes his mind all the time, denies when he lies or did something
wrong when he really did, and best of all.....
he LOVES money and profits!  


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:20:49 GMT

In article <67071@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I generally refrain from smiley faces and such.  Simply a stylistic 
>
>Now...if the original question about the novels had been, "What do you 
>guys think of Trek novels in general," and the response had been,
>from anyone, "I think they suck in general," then that's a reasonable
>answer...presuming you've read a decent enough quantity to form an
>informed opinion.

As Isaac Asimov once said, "That is always assuming they can read, 
which is by no means a foregone conclusion."

Steve/Iain

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: randall-joshua@CS.YALE.EDU (Joshua Randall)
Subject: Re: Non-existent racism in Time's Arrow (I and II
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.144413.9942@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
>> This is not the first time it has been done.  See the recent movie "Unforgiven"
>> where Morgan Freeman plays a (clearly) white character.
>> 
>
>Yeah I noticed that too... There are a lot of places where you just can't 
>portray a black man the way he should be portrayed historically.  I think
>Quantum Leap did a good job when Sam "leaped" into a black man in 50's South...

You missed the point...I was merely trying to say that in "Unforgiven", Mr.
Freeman's *character* is *not* supposed to be black.  The same *may* be true
for Mr. Burton's and Ms. Goldberg's *characters* in STTNG.

Now back to your regularly scheduled jibber-jabber....
-- 
Joshua E. Randall			randall-joshua@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST3GEN Part 7 Needed
From: trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 15:45:05 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

A while back, someone on either this newsgroup or 
rec.arts.startrek.current posted a 7-part Star Trek story called Star 
Trek: The Third Generation.  I wasn't able to get Part 7, so I am asking 
if someone could post it for me?  I would be very appreciative if someone 
would do this.  Thanks in advance...

                                                -- Trekkie

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From: david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:59:04 GMT
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

11dhackett@gallua.gallaudet.edu (DJH) writes:
> 	I would like to know whether you will provide any updated information
> about the Star Trek part VII movie lately. If so, please post that info into
> this newsgroup.
 
I am not flaming you, but I SERIOUSLY DOUBT there will ba a ST part VII 
movie ANY TIME soon or even AT ALL. The two main characters played by 
W. Shatner and L. Nimoy said that they don't want to be in another ST 
movie. If you mean the ST:VI movie (The Undiscovered Country), it is out 
on video, "I believe". At least in Dallas, TX USA.

			Don't Eat Yellow Snow

David Burgess
david@scilab.lonestar.org
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:09:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


   TOS:  "Shore Leave" ("On second thought, I'll stay....  For a day or two.")
         "The Corbomite Maneuver"

   TNG:  "The Big Goodbye"
         "Who Watches the Watchers"
         "The Inner Light"

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
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From: nschultz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ned Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.collecting
Subject: CARDS: STTNG (Impel) French card
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:00:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


I need a French language card (01D) for the Impel STTNG set.  I can
trade any of the other language cards.  Also have some spares of
the regular cards and will any/all of them for the French card.

Please let me know if you have a spare...

Ned Schultz
nschultz@nike.calpoly.edu
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Tobor (was:Re: "Lost In Space" was better hook,line,sinker)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:09:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu




In a previous article, mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) says:

>jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>I don't see what's so special about Star Trek.  "Lost in Space" was
>>>clearly superior, but you don't see five newsgroups devoted to Tobor.
>
>>What does Tobor have to do with Lost in Space?  Both Tobors (The
>>movie of that name, also the cartoon series "Tobor, the 8th Man") were
>>neither in LiS nor ST:either_series.  (The name of the robot in
>>LiS was, in fact, "Robot".)
>
>Now, I immediately thought of Tobor the Radar Robot from Proctor & Bergman.
>
>While the LIS robot was a reincarnated "Robbie" from a famous sf film whose
>name I am blanking on at the moment (Forbidden Planet?).



Robbie was from _Forbidden Planet_.  But Tobor was a cardboard-box robot in
a show called "Captain Video".  Used to be on at 7:30 (I think), weekday
evenings (I think) for 15 minutes (I think) in the New York area in the
very early '50s (that, I'm sure of).  He was supposed to be Robot I, but
they got the letters backward and he wound up as (deep voice with echoes):
"I, Tobor." He was Captain Video's enemy at first, but later, I think he
got to be a good guy. 

My mother was crazy about the show.  Captain Video (Al somebody) was quite
good-looking, and TV was so new and all.  I used to be allowed to stay up
for it as a special treat, back in the days when 5-year-olds actually went
to bed at 7:30. 

Bonita Kale
From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: episode question
Keywords: Cost of Living
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:20:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I keep hearing everyone flame the episode "Cost of Living"...
But I don't remember seeing it (lucky me right?).

Could someone E-MAIL me a plot synopsis of "Cost..."
Keep it as objective as possible, please.

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
================================================================================
Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
===========I wish this was a .sig so I wouldn't have to type all this===========
From: g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: most/least favourite Trek episodes
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:29:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.g92n3258.20.717532182
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I agree that "How much for just the planet?" is brilliant, however, I 
believe that "The Lost Years" and "Prime Directive" rank ahead of it.

As for Sttng novels, my favourite is "Fortune's Light", and worst must 
definitely be "Doomsday World" - it took me THREE MONTHS to wade through 
it.  I left it at a climatic point for about three weeks and finished it 
owing to my sado-masochistic nature.

Ryan.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: future history
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:33:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.182532.2588@wkuvx1.bitnet> cabanc@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Does anybody know of a listing of the Future History of the Star Trek
>Universe?  I heard that the older series had a manual for writers that
>was something like that.  I.e." i Stardate (whatever) Vulcan and Earth
>began negotiations that started the Federation."  Thanx


This is scheduled to happen in 1996.


-- 
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Gary L. Schroeder  		|  
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Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: Where no man - the episode that has that feeling
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:22:40 GMT

In article <g92n3258.21.717532803@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
>I recently re-watched the second pilot episode of the original series and 
>still feel that, more than all the episodes and films that have yet come our 
>way from Star Trek, it still is the one that has that particular FEEL about 
>going where no man has gone before - the feeling of wonder at being at a 
>distant point of our galaxy.  It's the kind of episode that makes you want 
>to walk outside and just stare at the stars for a while.
>
	Agreed!  I saw this one just recently myself, and I must say
that there are very few times when you feel that these characters are
waaaay out in the cold, empty reaches of space.  It's hard to keep in
mind that they're all just a hull's thickness away from being sucked out
there.  It's bad enough on the original series, but in the
Winnebago-with-warp-engines that is the NCC-1701-D, with its families
and cushy carpeted bridge, it's even more removed from that idea.  (I
can feel the flames already ...)
	I liken it to the kind of ambience you would get on a submarine
- cramped and functional.  The TOS bridge was more like that, and the
STVI bridge was the most like that of any of the movies' bridges.  Also,
like the ship in the classic sci-fi flick, `Alien'.
	But I digress from the point you were making ... it is indeed
quite rare when you get the sense of wonder at the vastness of outer
space.  Maybe it's the cheesy special effects.  The 10-minute long
snooze-o-rama drydock shots of the re-fit Enterprise in ST:TMP served a
purpose after all, I guess. =^]
	But the _mood_ of "Where No Man ..." is definitely as you
describe it.  It's too bad that instead of this kind of "real" sci-fi
excitement, we are too often treated to over-emphasis of the characters
and their relations to each other (one of TNG's biggest flaws, I feel).
	[Don't get me wrong --- if it wasn't for the wonderful
characters of the TOS, (and TNG, I guess =^]), we wouldn't be able to
identify with the "Human(oid) Adventure", but still there are some
episodes of TNG whose scripts would not be out of place on a soap
opera!]
	Just the ol' Humble Opinion.
	- Gord Locke, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

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From: mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Reply-To: mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:40:01 GMT

I suppose my favorite ending is from Journey to Babel, when Dr. McCoy
says "Well, how about that! I finally got the last word." That was the only
time he ever did get the last word!

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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