From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Bosnia, Concentration Camps, Dr.Arens
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:12:08 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology

In article <24732@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.135949.23498@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>=>
>=>   Would Jeremy Henderson please explain why opposing the torture
>=>of innocent civilians represents hypocrisy on the part of Israel?
>=>I'm sure that the fairness and absence of bias that is a hallmark
>=>of Henderson's posts will prevail, and from his objectivity shall
>=>emerge a reasonable explanation that will make perfect sense.
>
>No problem, Mark. It is hypoocritical because that is exactly what
>Israel is doing today, as you would know if you'd been reading
>Yigal's latest posts. It is also hypocritical for Israel to criticize
>"ethnic cleansing" because that is exactly what happened post 1948 -
>terrorosing people out of their homes and later claiming that they
>abandonned them voluntarily.
>

I think that comparing the situation in the Territories to what goes
on in Yugoslavia is another pearl from Jermy's keyborad. Israel's Amnesty
record is far from good but it afr better than all her neighbors.
most of the violations that occured is directly the Palestinain's fault.
comapring it to the rumors that prompted Israel's reaction is beneath 
all criticsm.

I agree that the cry about "ethnic cleansing" is hypocritical, because
this is IN CIVILIZED FORM the key to solution of the problem, that is
teh peoples of Yugoslavia must seperate territorially in order to prevent
the horror to which we are witnesses. The term "Seperation of Peoples".
seems more appropriate for this.

This does not justify what the Serbs (and their adversaries) are doing
this is Barbaric and brings misery to all involved - this must be agreed
between the parties after they get cooler - and be done in the least
painful way). To make them cooler it seems someone from the outside must
interfere - UN, US, Europe. and Humanitarian Help.

In all-out war the parties tend to apply this logical solution in a
ruthless way and Jeremy is right in claiming that the Arabs and Jews 
made the same thing in their 1948 conflict. In the same breath he fails
to condemn the Arabs of hypocrisy since they preformed "ethnic clensing"
in enthusiasm (though with lesser success) as the Jews [Gush Ezion,
Atarot, Neve-Yakov, Mahanayim, Mishmar-Ha'Yarden, East Jerusalem etc.).

The West is of course not clean of authorising "ethnic cleansing" when
it seemed convenient. [ German from Czechoslovakia and Poland,
concentration of Japanese Americans in WWII - this is less typical
but fits the mold of "cleansing" on ethnic basis ].

[ I guess that if we will have Real peace with the Arabs we would be
very sorry for the Arabs of Lod and Ramla and Dir Yassin. (like the 
Americans are sorry for the Japanese now) ]

All the nations are guilty of certain hypocricy because they would have
done the same - given the hatred between nations. The Serbs are acting
like the Arabs and Jews in 1948 like the Turks and Greek in 1919 (date?)
etc. it is nationalistic war. The other nation condemn because they are
in calm andd convenient times, not having any interest in either side.

Israel is no less and no more guilty than the US/France or even Iran 
(which was very vociferous now, while they collaborate with the Iraqis
and Turks to do the same for the Kurds for decades).

>-Jeremy Henderson            |  Anisotropic
> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Density tensor!  Truly
>       			     |  a wonderous thing.
>			     |			(Joe Green)

David.
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