From: jsmcgi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The "L" word
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:06:23 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> Mark Crowder writes: 
>> In reading this group, I can see that there are many different opinions
>> on what the word "Liberal" means.  However, I never see it actually
>> defined.  How about a dialogue on it?  I'll start.  This is one of
>> my recent favorites:
>>
>>   "When is say 'liberals'[ed. orig in italics], I certainly don't
>>    mean openhanded individuals or tolerant persons or even Big
>>    Government Democrats.  I mean people who are excited that one
>>    percent of the profits of Ben and Jerry's ice cream goes to
>>    promote world peace."
>>            -- P.J. O'Rourke  "Give War a Chance"
>>
>> Any other ideas?  No fair using the dictionary!
> 
> 
> I'm a conservative, so my bias may be evident, but here's a good-faith
> effort to define liberalism.  I'll try to keep my views out of it.
> 
> 
>     Liberals believe that government action and intervention should be
>     concentrated on achieving a balance of economic output and should
>     never compromise individual choice except where that choice may
>     override the goals of achieving the former balance.
> 
> Note: liberalism is seeking a balance of output, not opportunity.
> 
> Thus, liberals believe in helping the poor first instead of the rich.
> Redistributing wealth is a sure-fire way of balancing economic output.  It
> may not grow the economy much, but it won't "unfairly" discriminate against
> the poor.
> 
> Liberals also often call for universal health care.  Why should the rich
> have access to better health care than the poor?
> 
> Liberals are often for affirmative action.  While this compromises the
> individual choice of the employer, we can override that choice because we
> are seeking the equalize economic standing by providing for the
> disadvantaged.
> 
> Liberals are strong supporters of abortion rights because doing otherwise
> would seem to compromise individual choice.  Actually, this is (IMO)
> somewhat arbitrary.  I would suspect that if everyone were of the opinion
> that the fetus was indeed fully human, it would be the liberal groups who
> would come most strongly to the defense of the unborn child.  Since there is
> (as yet) no consensus that the fetus is fully human, liberals prefer to let
> the individual woman chose.
> 
> Liberals prefer to keep religion and government completely separate from
> each other.  The reasoning is that to do otherwise might cause minority
> religious groups (or athiests/agnostics) to feel that their religious
> freedom is being threatened.
> 
> Liberals are strong supporters of homosexual rights.  The choice of the
> homosexual is in no way compromising any economic goals, so the government
> has no business disallowing it - in any form.  The same goes with
> euthenasia.
> 
> Liberals seek to bolster the rights of the accused in a criminal trial.
> The more of a burden of proof we put on the government, the less likely the
> chance that we will mistakenly strip an innocent citizen of their rights.
> 
> 
> 
> I think my definition fits liberalism pretty well.  I'd be interested in
> hearing from those who consider themselves liberals as to whether or not
> they think it's accurate.
> 
> --
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> 
> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat
>  and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
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So, you are saying that by your definition of liberals, they are champions of
the poor and unfairly treated (minorities, etc.).
My God, let's get rid of these people b4 they destroy America by making it an
unbiased and equal country.  The rich just couldn't stand that.
@=-), said wholly in sarcasm.
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