HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: moral right and copyright
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <18pi5cINNq30@agate.berkeley.edu>, adam@soda.berkeley.edu (Adam J 
Richter) writes:
> 	I can't remember where I heard it, but I heard or maybe read
> that the United States did not ratify the "moral rights" part of the
> Berne Convention.

The U.S. signed the entire Berne Convention (the July 24, 1971 so-called 
'Paris Text').

However, Congress concluded that the "moral rights" in Berne were already 
incorporated in US law, outside of Title 17 (Copyright):

". . . [P]rotection is provided under U.S. law for the rights of authors 
listed in Article 6bis [the "moral rights" Article of the Berne Convention]. 
 . This existing US law includes various provisions of the Copyright Act and 
Lanham [Trademark] Act, various state statutes, and common law principles 
such as libel, defamation, misrepresentation, and unfair competition, which 
have been applied by courts to redress authors' invocation of the right to 
claim authorship or the right to object to distortion.
 
"Section 2(3) of the [Berne Convention Implementation] Act [of 1988] 
clarifies that the amendments made by this Act, together with the law as it 
exists on the date of enactment of the Act, satisfy the US obligations under 
Article 6bis and that no further rights or interests shall be recognized or 
created for that purpose.  The committee notes that Dr. Arpad Bogsch, 
Director General of WIPO, has given his opinion that the United States may 
become a member of the Berne Convention without making any changes to US law 
for the purposes of Article 6bis. . . . Consequently, the "moral rights" 
doctrine is not incorporated into the U.S. law by this statute"  Senate 
Report No. 100-352, associated with the Berne Convention Implementation Act 
of 1988, P.L. 100-568, reprinted in 1988 U.S. Congressional and 
Administrative News, page 3714-15.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Shem Tov de Carrio'n
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:42:07 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

SHEM TOV DE CARRIO'N

A fascinating work, the Hebrew maqama of the 14th-century Hispano-
Jewish poet-rabbi Shem Tov ben Yitzhak Ardutiel, known also as
Santob de Carrio'n, made available as part of Sanford Shepard's
_Shem Tov: His World and His Words_ (Miami: Ediciones Universal,
1978).

This maqama is entitled _The Battle of the Pen and the Scissors_
and is fundamentally a polemic against Abner the Apostate, but it
can be read on many levels.  Which can write better, the Pen or the
Scissors?  The academic writes with the Scissors: shuffles
information around, cuts and pastes.  The true writer writes with
the Pen.  Shem Tov extolling the virtues of the Pen:

     The pen gathers together what has been driven from mind and
     scattered by the four winds.  He places everything under guard
     so that nothing be lost, lest in the generations to come
     remembrance be blotted out.  For the pen makes all things
     endure and casts the thoughts of men into a firm mold so that
     nothing may move from its place and wander.  The pen is like
     the peg that holds a net laden with fish.  Thus does he guard
     the utterances of his lips.  He alters nothing...

     A pen without a heart understands my secret thoughts,
     And without an ear hears the voice of my meditations.
     He girds his loins to run the road,
          carrying my messages according to my desires.
     All letters he meets he casts behind.
     He sweeps over the plain and overtakes the Moor.

Sanford ed., pp 80-81.

Note that the Pen guards his utterances and "alters nothing."

And I ask you: could a word-processor sweep over the plain and
overtake the Moor? 

********************************** +.............................+
*- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>* :All opinions expressed herein:
*There is no privileged position.* :are my own and are not to be :
*	-God, Derrida, others    * : attributed to my employer   :
********************************** +.............................+

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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:26:06 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Distribution: world
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Bu6upy.18M@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
> In article <SEAN.92Sep6190137@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu> sean@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Joseph Sean Livingston) writes:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
> >>>>>>>>>>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
> >>>>>>>>>>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
> >>>>>>>>>DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
> >>>>>>>>I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
> >>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
> >>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
> >>>>>R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
> >>>>This cascade is damn insane!
> >>>And it's really getting lame!
> >>This lower case is going against the grain!
> >LeTs TrY mIxEd UpPeR aNd LoWeR CaSe ThEn AnD "rAiSe SoMe CaIn."
> Let's not. It's a pain.
> -- 
> Mike Swaim            | I can see clearly now my brain is gone.
> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | I can see all the bicycles in my way.
> Rupp doesn't even know who I am,
>  much less care what I think
Can somebody tell me what all this is to gain? :-)

CYa, Paul
     O
   //\/
  \/\  boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl
... /
Gotta Run...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rjm@cs.brown.edu (Ralph Marshall)
Subject: Book censorship, challenges in schools at 10-year high
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:15:49 GMT

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
	[Texas doesn't accept FDR as an historical figure]

>There were gross, absurd, non-ideological errors of fact.  "The
>Korean War was ended by atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki" is 
>one of my favorite examples.
>
>Every single publisher that was attempting to get a book accepted
>had these sort of gross errors in their American history texts.
>Hundreds of these sort of errors per book.  Many of the books were
>already in use in Texas schools, among others.
>

I mentioned this flagrant abuse of the powers of state school boards
to my wife, who works in a bookstore.  She commented that while this
could be a problem, the real difficulty is that nobody reads any of
this stuff anyway.  The last few weeks before the start of school most
of the customers were parents coming to buy Cliffs' notes on behalf of
their undereducated children.  

So, if the parents' don't make their kids to do the summer reading for
real, how excited can you expect them to be about the history of our
country for the period between the Capitalist successes of the 1930s
and the conquest of Korea through nuclear weapons?
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Reply to Professor McCarthy's query on films
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:04:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:

>For someone who knows the value of words you sure do waste a lot of them.
						      |
 Geepers, Adam oh Adam, you sure waste werds wantonly.|
						      |
							 ...7 words less.  

>Adam

JW


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Unexpected quotes: Gertrude Stein
Organization: Clark University
Date: 15 SEP 92 13:40:08 GMT

I've been reading a lot of Gertrude Stein lately, and was tickled
to come upon the following:

"Everybody now just has to make up their mind.  Is money money
or isn't money money.  Everybody who earns it and spends it every
day in order to live knows that money is money, anybody who votes
it to be gathered in as taxes knows money is not money.  This is
what makes everybody go crazy.

..In Russia they tried to decide that money was not money, but now
slowly and surely they are coming back to know that money is money.

Whether you like it or whether you do not money is money and that is
all there is about it.  Everybnody knows it.  When they earn it and
spend what they earn they know it they really know that money is
money and when they vote it they do not know it as money.

That is the trouble with everybody, it is awfully hard to really
know what you know.  When you earn it and spend it you do know the
difference between three dollars and a million dollars, but when
you say it and vote it, it all sounds the same.  Of course it does,
it would to anybody, and that is the reason why they vote it and
keep on voting it.  So, now please, everybody, everybody everybody,
please, is money money, and if it is, it ought to be the same
whether it is what a father of a family spends or a government,
if it isn't sooner or later there is disaster."

From the essay "Money", written in 1936.

Heather Henderson
Clark University
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:29:44 GMT

Barbara Hlavin writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Precisely why I started the androgenous thread which 
		Baba, bless her cotton socks, ascribed to Fiona "I'm 
		no Doctor" Oceanstar

	Oh, oh, oh!  Bless my paws and whiskers, of course it was you 
	who broached the subject, Fido.  Please forgive. 

	Now.  How's your Anima, please? 

					--Baba, checking her socks 

First it was otters, then wombats, and now Baba deserts us featherless
bipeds for another furry mammalian thing. Is this what Gould meant? Now,
back to business. My Anima is in appalling shape and probably always will
be, which is precisely why I was and am fascinated by the androgenous 
stuff. It seems to me that there was a time in the arts in England -- and 
it lasted about the 50 years from 1880 to 1930 -- when gender confusion
(using the word in a somewhat literal and old-fashioned sense) was almost 
a requirement to the creative spirit. Barbara seemed to be thinking of 
it as a down-playing of the differences between male and female, and I
don't think it was that at all. Nor was it a homosexual thing. Once
Forster, to take an example, straightened himself out, so to speak, and
came to terms with his homosexuality, then the spark seemed to disappear.
For me, it start with the pre-Raphaelites and Ruskin, and was killed by
Freud. This thread really started with Virginia Woolf and her rather quirky
essay on *L500 a year and a Room of One's Own*, but let me say that her
androgenous spirit best explodes in *Orlando*, the only Penguin that I
have ever worn out.

								Fido
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: Bernard Berenson
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.030443.2056@athena.cs.uga.edu>, fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes...
> 
>     Kenneth Clark had some hard things to say in his autobiography about
>Berenson's supposed practice of certifying the authenticity and merit of
>various items for a fee.  Anything to this?

In his collection of essays "Nothing if not Critical", art critic Robert
Hughes takes Berenson to task on this point.  He praises him for bringing
an organized system to authenticating old works (and in the process BB
became the foremost expert on the distinguishing features of that period),
but the problem was the art world nearly became paralyzed since no sale
of these kinds of works could take place without an authentication by 
BB - for his usual percentage.  There seemed to be incidents where Berenson
- if not consulted - could cast doubts about the validity of a work.

Ron

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: schweda@iastate.edu (Christopher Schweda)
Subject: Cheever's Journals in Paperback?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:18:08 GMT

Does anyone know when -- and if -- John Cheever's will be published
in paperback?

Thanks,
Chris Schweda
--

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: A Pleasant Afternoon's Reading
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:54:21 GMT

To repeat another poster's question: what was the name of this Sierra
Leonean novel?  My wife taught there some years ago, and will want to 
read it.

			Chuck Smythe

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 17:35:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto):
>        Starfuckers!
> 
>I stopped reading.  I think that any book that starts with something like
>this should be put on my Must Avoid list.

Maybe you stopped too soon.  What if the next sentence was "She stopped
reading..."




Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: alliteration
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:56:01 GMT


MICHAEL WISE writes:
 
	 Who could stand the alliteration?
 
Mark Taranto writes:

	Alright! Alliteration! I love illustrious alliterators,
	illuminating the alleyways of allegory and the alcoves of
	the alleged allies of all literate aliens.


Lovers of alliteration, nay make that lovers of clever books, should
check out the children's section of the bookstore next time you're
in and browse thru the wonderfully illustrated book "Animals" by
Graheme (buggered the spelling).  Each letter of the alphabet is
illustrated by an animal and has a wonderful alliteration for what the
animals are doing in the drawing.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ota Benga - the pygmy in the zoo [concerning the book]
Date: 6 Sep 1992 19:33:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


What a wonder:  immediate access to the author and at his
request no less!

I only first even heard of the book this morning reading the
review in the Sunday (NY) Times Book Review.  Reading the
review with what I hope was care left me more than a little
puzzled about the basic factual outline.  May I ask the
author if the review accurately reported the book's general
contents. Among my uncertainties were:  how long Ota Benga
was "exhibited" [ghastly!] in the US, what the time
frame was of his return, his explanation to others about
what had happened to him, and the reaction in the US to
his being put on display.
-- 
      ||    Gary Lee Stonum                gxs11@po.cwru.edu    ||
      ||    English Department                  216-368-3342    ||
      ||    Case Western Reserve University                     ||
      ||    Cleveland, OH 44106-7117                            ||
From: snow@netcom.com (Tim Szeliga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: james joyce
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:24:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>>  James Joyce's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_

That's _Finnegans Lover_.

Tim Szeliga  tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Title of poem from scanty fragment?
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:26:50 EDT

Thanks for the many responses.  I hadn't known about the fantastically 
useful etext ftp site Mr Squires pointed out.  If its location isn't in the 
FAQ, it should be! 
						-Luke
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:58:31 GMT

Anthony Wallis writes:

	It must have been a pretty awful book.  I never heard mention 
	of it in 30 years, not even from rabid feminists ..

Many a true word spoken in jest. Even in Canada.

							fido
From: KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: npr & freedom - WALDEN
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:35:01 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep14.210527.14176@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
(jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu) writes:

<stuff deleted>
>There is some quote by a greek thinker about how he will but food if he
>has money left over from buying books.  Anyone know how it goes?  Or
>any good reading quotes appreciated.
>
Here's one:  "Ein Buch muss die Axt sein fuer das gefrorene Meer in uns.
 --Kafka
which means, roughly "A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us.

-Kurt
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:06:26 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep9.042813.25626@u.washington.edu>, twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
> >In article <12181@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #Very good -- but how do you get that most powerful of paperback
# #marketing symbols on the cover -- the swastika?
# #
# #There was a point in the early 1980s where you might have assumed
# #that a paperback for sale in the U.S. received some sort of 
# #tax credit for having either a swastika or a hammer-and-sickle
# #on the cover.
# #
# Clayton, will you please give me a hundred or so examples of what 
# you're talking about here? 

I doubt that I can give you a hundred examples, because I wasn't
buying.  But in general, they were paperback novels usually involving
either Soviet spies, Nazis (_Boys from Brazil_ style novels), or
novels about the Holocaust.

# I was not only alive and sentient during the '80s, I was in one 
# bookstore or another in a major cosmpolitan city four or five times 
# a week during that decade, and I swear to god that I can't think of 
# a single example of a single paperback book displaying either a swastika 
# or a hammer-and-sickle on its cover on any volume I set my eyes on in any
# of the 12 or more bookstores that I visted on a regular basis during 
# those years.  I think I might have seen one obscure volume on Hindu
# ethno-musicology that has a swastika on its spine, but that's not what 
# you're talking about, is it? 
#  
# I was living in Manhattan and taking classes at Columbia University 
# from 1983-1985, in case Seattle isn't mainstream enough for you. 
# 
# Enlighten me, please. 
# 
# --Barbara 

Perhaps this was a California phenomenon?  But not likely, because
paperbacks aren't usually regionally published.  Then again, these
were supermarket checkout lines, and I wouldn't be surprised if
the store was putting books in the racks that had symbols most
likely to get the book picked up and bought.

I recall one novel that managed to get both swastika and hammer-
and-sickle on the cover.  It strikes me as the political equivalent
of putting a women in a revealing nightgown on the cover of a 
romance novel.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Wonderful Life
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:53:24 GMT
Summary: Stratigraphy & netnews

In article <1992Sep11.154229.6691@iscsvax.uni.edu>, klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <88645@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep9.221308.6621@iscsvax.uni.edu>, klier@iscsvax writes:
> >>> I am NOT an evolutionary biologist, and have extracted all this from semi-pop
> >>> literature.  I have no idea what the professionals think of it.  Is there 
> >>> a paleontologist in the house?        
> 
> Please watch the attributions.  I most certainly AM an evolutionary
> biologist: I'm a plant systematist currently working with the effects
> of hybridization on speciation in certain groups, and with population
> genetics of rare and endangered species.  I don't do paleobotany, though
> I have an interest in it.


This is not a misattribution. He quoted you quoting someone else
( who was not identified ) along with your reply. This is evident
by the levels of >'s. Of course, your admonition stands if its
taken as being directed at readers of <88645@netnews.upenn.edu>.

I would just like to add that I think it's cute the way netnews
attributions mimic the imperfections of the stratigraphic record.


Lew Mammel, Jr.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.cascade
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:18:53 MST
Followup-To: alt.cascade,rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <Bu6upy.18M@rice.edu>, swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
> In article <SEAN.92Sep6190137@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu> sean@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Joseph Sean Livingston) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>>>>>>>>>>>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>>>>>>>>>>>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>>>>>>>>>>DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>>>>>>>>>I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>>>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>>>>>>R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>>>>>This cascade is damn insane!
>>>>And it's really getting lame!
>>>This lower case is going against the grain!
>>LeTs TrY mIxEd UpPeR aNd LoWeR CaSe ThEn AnD "rAiSe SoMe CaIn."
>Let's not. It's a pain.
Let's take it to alt.cascade. It's your gain.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: More Books to Avoid (was: VEGETARIAN DIET)
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:38:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <10677@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
>  This has to do with *people* to avoid - on the net.  That is, the
>  ones whose postings you ignore, whose advice is invariably bad and/or
>  incorrect, and who you just wish would go away:

The ones that annoy me most are people who start with
  
  "Um,..."

  "I'm sorry, but..."


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_