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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:47:13 CST
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Seconding Fr. John's comments about labels

I second Fr. John W's comments about applying specific labels
to specialized interpretations of scripture (and anything else).

We humans necessarily generallize.  We tend to lable our general
catagories.  We also tend to be anoyed by lables that make us think
of our catagories but actually are not.  Dan G. does not like
being called a Calvinist (for reasons I understand and assent to),
but it is a lable that fits him in a general sense.  On the other
hand, Dan likes to call "strict" predestinationalist views "The
Doctrines of Grace" I presume because he feels it is a more accurate
label.  I would agree if I thought the majority of people held to a
similar set of presupositions.  But, such is not the case.

Well, enough babble.  John said it about as good as could be said.
Also, I appologize to Dan for using him as an example.  It was quite
fresh in my mind though, and I do not intend any disparagement.

Lonnie Schubert
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From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teaching children

I have received immediate encouragement from several of you. Thank you.
No, we are not discouraged, and we are not about to give up. My wife and
I know full well that "greater is he that is in me (us) than he that is in
the world"!! Our children were consecrated long ago. The Lord has assurred
us that they are His! It is just a matter of time.

But, in the meantime, it is difficult to see your own children, (your
babies?) being stained by the false value system of this world. It is very
sad to see their innocence stolen from them.

God bless you. Have a good weekend.

Jim
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From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Christianity?

Actually, it matters not what the scientists and the learned men of this
world think or believe. God is God, the Creator, the Sovereign, the Everliving
One. As the Scripture says, "As the heavens are high above the earth, so are
God's thoughts above man's thoughts". I have studied the sciences. I have a
degree in physics. I still believe. In my opinion, it doesn't matter HOW He
brought all of this into being, it is enough to know that He DID!.

God bless!
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I am not so sure that I am convinced that technology is neutral. Jim, maybe
that statement should be changed to read, >We almost all understand that
technology is neutral...zane however isn't sure yet...<
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Subject:      Gonna have to go NOMAIL

Dear All:

     I am hoping someone can tell me how to set NOMAIL for a
couple of days.  Or VAX cluster is going to be taken off line for
a couple of days so that some routine maintenance can be
performed on it while everyone is away on break.  Thanks in
advance for the help

                         Glenn Radinsky
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:29:37 CDT
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: DELIVERANCE MINISTRIES
              at Dec 11, 92 4:31 pm

>
>Hi again!!! ;-)
>
>I would like to know if any of you out there are involved
>in deliverance ministries. I am very interested in this, ie.,
>is it difficult, what is involved, etc.
>
>Thanks for any info., it's greatly appreciated!!! :-)
>
>God Bless,
>
>Andie.
>
I have to deliver the communion to the front of the church one sunday in four.
Does that count as a deliverance ministry??

Seriously though, we have to stop thinking this way that only some of us
have some sort of 'ministry' that makes us usefull in rebuking the enemy..

JUST like the ministry of reconciliation,  we ALL have the ministry of
delivering people from the bondage of the spiritual darkness! We are ALL
called to warfare against the devourer!

Yes, I have a dliverance ministry, but if you are saved, so do you.




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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer ... Ken Diefenbach

Dear God,
Thanks for the story Ken told us.  I know that's hard to deal with.
It must be, because sometimes little kids can be brutally honest with
each other-to the point of ..well?? Just...mean-ness.  I pray that you
will comfort Ken, his wife, and Kyle.  Please just love them anyways...
like you always have, and be there for Kyle if he needs someone to run
to.  You've done it for me, in that you've only restricted my driving
activities.  You've seen fit to allow me to read music for this long.
I'm blessed, beyond words...and I humbly thank you.  Please, Lord Jesus,
do the same for Kyle.  I Know you're the "Master Builder", but you're
also the one 'Physician' that can heal all hurts, wounds, and hearts.
It's like "Taco" and the rest of "Gold City" sang...
"The Great Physician's Touch is the Balm the Heals"
--------
Thank you again Lord...
--------
"It's the Hand, that Hung this old world in Space"
"Oh, the Hand that was scarred, just to give me Grace"
"But, to think-the hand-That Hung the Stars..."
"Is small enough to mend a broken heart...."
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I ask Devine intervention on Kyle's behalf, Lord.
But, most importantly, I ask forgiveness for any wrong I've done, so
that this prayer gets to the Throne.
We love you, Lord Jesus.
Theresa

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From:         MICHELE LOFTON <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Colorado

> My comment was reference sodomy laws.

> In any case do SPECIAL rights need to be given to people by virtue of a
> choice in lifestyle?

Sodomy laws refer to also hetrosexual couples.

They weren't asking for SPECIAL rights.  They wanted rights returned and/or
make sure NO rights are TAKEN AWAY.

Michele Lofton <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:49:31 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Civil Rights? Why?

Please give it a rest.
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:FAMILY IN DISTRESS-CARL

Dear Carl,

Is there any thing too hard for God? No - Smile - because God specializes
in problems and needs just like these Praise God.  Today we will be in
much prayer for you and your family and believe that all these requests
will be answered.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We as humans sometimes feel so helpless in situations such as these.  I
am so glad that we have a Father to take our burdens and concerns to.
First Father we are lifting up Carl's father-in-law to you and the
doctors who will be operating, that You keep him in Your tender loving
care and restore him fully off of his sick bed.  Please comfort and
strengthen the family so that they will be a strong support for him
through this difficult time.  Give them Your peace, love, and wisdom
to be an encouragement to him. We lift Carl's  grandmother to you and
know that because Jesus lives there is no longer any sting in death or
victory in the grave.  Please precious Holy Spirit comfort our sister and
also engulf her with Your peace and love.  Since this family is over-
whelmed with their circumstances, allow them to look to the hills from
whence cometh their help -- It all comes from You.  Please give them
Your peace that passes all understanding.  In Jesus Name we pray.
Amen and Amen.

Carl - the prayer warriors are with you and your family (Smile).

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: PRAYER REQUEST-JOHN

Dear John,

We will be praying for Gelsey and know that the Lord placed her with you
and your family to share Jesus with her. We will also lift up her parents
that the Lord will save them also.  As long as you allow the Lord to give
you what to say by the unction of the Holy Spirit, everything will turn
out all right.  This is just like witnessing, the Lord knows the right
time and what and when to say for each individual.  Young people, since
I have 3 teenagers, are mostly influenced by your testimony and others,
seeing the Lord act in today's times.  Encourage her to begin to rely
on the Lord for needs in her life, and as He answers her prayers and
desires, this will help her to begin to focus and communicate more with
the Lord herself.  Remember above anything else God is in control and
you relax in Him, for we should always "Trust in the Lord with all our
heart and lean not unto our own understanding.  In all your ways ack-
knowledge Him and He will direct your paths".  Praise God for His
promises.

Dear Heavenly Father,
We come to You thanking You and praising You for allowing this loving
family to be a light in a dark place for Gelsey.  We thank You already
for what You are doing in all their lives and ask You to continue to
to use John and his family, and other christians to reach out to Gelsey
at this time in her life.  We ask protection for her from peer pressure
and that she will be saved and used for Your service in the future.
We thank You and Praise you in advance for this precious little one.
In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:58:22 CDT
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Calvinist writers and speakers.
              at Dec 14, 92 1:11 pm

>Actually, I still dislike the use of the word Calvinism to describe belief
>in the Doctrines of Grace, but it is, I guess, a handle that people can get
>a handle [huh?] on.
>
>Dan Graham
>
Dan, it is a seriously bad handle, as I am one who considers himself
to believe a doctrine of Grace, but certainly not one of Calvanism...

Grace is in the bible, calvanism aint!! Neat seperation..



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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS

Dear Prayer Warriors, Liz, and Julie,

I've been off the network for a little while, but I would like to lift
up this couple who is having marital problems, although I did not get
to read the original posts.  Count any mistakes as love, thank you.

Dear Heavenly Father,

I know that you are in the healing business.  I pray that You will take
full control and restore this marriage to the beautiful relationship that
You intended it to be.  Protect and strengthen the family members and
give this couple wisdom and understanding and to have discernment enough
to know that if they both begin to line up with Your ordinances that You
gave us for marriage, they will begin to get back on the right track.
Father in Jesus Name give them Your love for one another.  Let them be
able to forgive and not try to look back in their past, but to try to
begin to build on a foundation of trust and love.  In the Name of Jesus
Father we ask that by Your Spirit You will bring them Your peace that
passes all understanding.  In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:46:41 -0700
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>

SET CHRISTIA REPRO
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:30:11 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 12/15

MAN: "Do not put your trust in princes or other people, who cannot save you.
When people die, they are buried.  Then all of their plans come to an end"
(Psalm 146:3,4).

GOD: "Happy are those who are helped by the God of Jacob.  Their hope is in the
Lord their God.  He made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in it.  He
remains loyal forever" (Psalm 146:5,6).

"Honor God and obey his commands.  This is the most important thing people can
do" (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:53:03 CDT
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Doctrines of Grace.
              at Dec 16, 92 1:30 pm

>
>Ian, I think there is a slight misunderstanding.  When the words Doctrines
>of Grace are used and so capitalized, they refer to the reform doctrines of
>predestination and what is often called Calvinism.  That particular term
>does not refer to the doctrine of grace, as such.
>
>Dan Graham
>
I thought as much, and was being a little facetious..

(I have been reading Paul lately, and he is VERY facetious , it makes me
feel better! heh heh)


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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: thanks
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:56:41 GMT
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I would like to electronically thank God the Father and the Great Doctor and
His Holy Ointment for the recently verified health of my wife.  What we were
afraid might be something much worse, turned out to be harmless.
He has been so good to us in preserving our physical bodies and we are very
thankful (even though we are looking forward to the new heavenly bodies of
light we will soon receive).

Father, thank you for your care, and particularly for the continuing health
of my beautiful wife.  We are resting and trusting in you.  Amen.

And while I am here Lord, I would like to raise all those brothers and sisters
and potential brothers and sisters out there up before you and remind you that
many of them desire your protection and healing touch as well.  Be merciful
to all of your creatures Lord Jesus.  Be with those in pain in particular.
Help all of our moments to be turned in acknowledgment to you.  Guide those
who minister to the sick - let them be reflections of you in your care for
all humankind.  Touch us and heal us Lord. Amen.
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From:         RussN@SSECMAIL.SSEC.WISC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Including Christ in Christmas

>And so as I am becoming more aware of traditions (with a child in the house
>for the first time), and wanting to start some of my own, I thought I would
>pose this question:
>
>What do you/your family do to include Christ in Christmas?  What do you do to
>make the Nativity Story seem real for your children?

Although my first child will not be born this Christmas, my wife and I have
enjoyed reading Luke 2 -- the birth of Christ -- every Christmas Eve.
Hearing the story that night really helps in making us stop and realize what
happened so long ago in that manger...it's also a time of reflection as we
see how this event has changed each of us in the last year.  The Christmas
Eve service at our church also helps in reminding me what *REALLY* occurred.

Hope this has been useful, I'm looking forward to seeing what others on this
list say as well...

Grace to you and peace,

Russ Neumeier
SSEC, UW-Madison
Madison, WI -- sixty-two square miles surrounded by reality
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From:         "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." <HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      Operation Rescue, Meet ACT UP...

From Windy City Times, 10 December 1992...

OPERATION RESCUE COPIES ACT UP, INVADES CHURCH SERVICE

DALLAS - Borrowing a technique from the AIDS activist group ACT UP, the
anti-abortion activist group Operation Rescue attempted to disrupt a worship
service at a Dallas Presbyterian Church that held a teen sexuality conference.

Protesting the teen leadership conference called "Teen Saavy," Operation Rescue
set up picket lines outside the First Presbyterian Church, then tried to
disrupt the worship services by trying to drow out the church's minister.

In reszponse, each time the disruptors began shouting, the congregation stood
up and began singing Martin Luther's hymn, "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God," the
Presbyterian News Service reported.

The leader of the disruptions, the Rev. Flip Benham, a Free Methodist, was
denounced by the leader of his own denomination.  "If they were uninvited and
were interrupting a worship service, we don't believe in that at all," said the
Rev. Wayne Mote, superintendant of the Texas Conference of the Free Methodist
Church.

The program on teen sexuality was cosponsored by Planned Parethood, the YMCA,
YWCA, the Urban League, Girl Scouts, and the Dallas Public Library.  About 350
young people attended.
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From:         BENSON@POKVMCR3.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Re: Hope

>Wherein lies hope in the belief that every individual will
>be saved or damned based solely on God's whim and on nothing
>that anyone else can do nor ever has done?

Right!  If there was something that man could do there would be
room for boasting.  "I was good enough to believe, whereas
Joe Blow wasn't that good."  Rom. 9:18 says, "God has mercy on
whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden."

Mike Benson
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From:         Liz Moreau <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Teaching children

I was one of those kids who knew about the Lord.  I attended church
every Sunday and went to a Catholic school for 8 years.  When I
reached my late teens I decided that I could go for breakfast while my
parents thought I was at church and little by little I slipped away.
I convinced myself that church was full of hypocrites and I didn't
want to be a part of it.  I had all kinds of excuses.  I also didn't
feel I had the time to 'waste' at church.

My point is that although your children may have made a decision to
follow the Lord while they were younger, they now need to make an
'adult' decision.  No one can choose for them.

At different ages parents have to give kids a little slack to venture
out on their own.  I believe the Lord also gives us a little slack
before we are able to come back.  Remember the prodigal son?

My prayers are with you and your wife for your boys.  I'm sure it is
just a matter of time.  (I also know I probably will face this one day
with my sons ... I'm not looking forward to it :)).

                                                Liz
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From: World Leader <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: DELIVERANCE MINISTRIES

Hi again!!! ;-)

I would like to know if any of you out there are involved
in deliverance ministries. I am very interested in this, ie.,
is it difficult, what is involved, etc.

Thanks for any info., it's greatly appreciated!!! :-)

God Bless,

Andie.
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From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pregnant

Thanks for your testimony, Bernice.  It encourages me, as a
mother and a child.  I also thank the Lord for placing me in a
Christian home where I received the love and support I needed,
as well as the guidance and discipline.

Yes, God is awesome; nothing else is worthy of the word when
compared with Him.

carol n
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