From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: control
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:45:15 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science

In <1992Aug24.233944.26118@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:

>In article <nyikos.714674872@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu 
>(Peter Nyikos) writes:


>[I claim legislation is always on the minds of those who call themselves
>"pro-life"]

>}I can tell you an exception: University Faculty for Life, an organization
>}of which I am a member and which does not, to date, have any legislation
>}on its agenda.  That could be because it is only about two years old, but
>}at the second annual meeting this June, there was no move I could see
>}towards a legislative agenda, no hint of one.

>a.  That's one.

And the score in this game is one-zip, in favor of me.

>b.  Give 'em time.
>c.  None that you noticed.

I was at every meeting where agenda was discussed.  People talked about
their individual efforts with other organizations, but no move was made
for the organization to do anything.

>'Scuse me, I'm a bit jaded.  But it is multiple-guess...

Could be you are coming down with a case of MMIMUDCMWTF [My Mind Is Made
Up, Don't Confuse Me With The Facts], but if you apply some preventative
medicine...

>}> It's as though there is this bond between 
>}>legislation and killing that is assumed to exist.  I don't see it, I've 
>}>never seen it, and try as I might to either cajole someone or piss off 
>}>someone so bad into doing it, no one has ever even attempted to show 
>}>that such a bond exists where abortion is concerned. 
>}
>}Sorry, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you are trying to say
>}here.  

>}Let me guess: you have bought into the Means-Mohr-Blackmun myth...

>No,

You erased the rest of my comment, which would have led to a "Yes"
answer.  

> I bought into the myth that legislation has never, never protected
>a fetus nor has it taken particularly good care of the z/e/f (or fez,
>I have to admit the term does have several things going for it).  I am
>not aware that particular myth has any name, although it does have 
>quite a bit of historical backing. 

Can you find it anywhere except in the writings of Cyril Means [oft
referred to in RvW], Harry Blackmun [RvW], and James Mohr [_Abortion
in America_], all of whom have been pretty thoroughly discredited
by Joseph Dellapenna?

>}One thing more: you complain about legislative efforts by pro-lifers.
>}The NARAL people of the pre-Roe days rightly saw that their best hope
>}was judicial efforts, and pro-choice people have been using the judicial
>}system for over two decades now to impose their wills on a country whose
>}only recourse is a constitutional amendment, since if Roe is overturned
>}you will not only see enormous pressure to pass FOCA but also attempts to
>}get state courts (attempts which have already met with huge success) to
>}do what the Roe court did.  Talk about control.

>Do you recognize any difference between judicial efforts and legislation?

Sure, the former is a lot harder to undo than the latter.  That was the
point of my little crack about   the 1973-? Shogunate of Harry Blackmun...
along the "Mirror" thread.  Can't wait to see how many pro-choicers
came unglued by it.
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