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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Martian Manhunter
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:31:36 GMT

geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink):
>Is the MM as powerful as they make him out to be?!? ...there's no
>way he could've trashed Sinestro so easily. 

He's very powerful -- but that was just sloppy writing.  (*Hawkman*
was able to trash Sinestro!)  Traditionally, he's been a bit weaker
than Superman (also no super-hearing, x-ray vision, etc.), but with
invisibility, shape-changing (which never got used to its potential),
some telepathy, and a vulnerability to fire that may have been psychosomatic.

-----
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   Aphorism is better than none.
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From: jis@panix.com (Linus Van Pelt)
Subject: Josie and the Pussycats FOREVER!
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:36:35 GMT


Hey net people!  Get funky with Josie and the Pussycats!
--------------------------------------------------------

Josie and the Pussycats!
Long tails, and ears for hats!
Guitars and sharps and flats,
Neat, sweet, a groovy song,
You're invited, come along!
Hurry, Hurry!

See all of Persia,
Or maybe France,
We could be in India or by chance.
We were once in Bangkok,
Makes no difference,
Everywhere the action's at
We're involved with this and that.
Come on along now!

Josie and the Pussycats!
Long tails and perfects hats!
Won't run, when they hear 'Scat!'
They're where the plot begins,
Yeah-yeah-yeah!
Come and watch the good guys win,
Josie and the Pussycats!
Josie and the Pussycats!
Yeah!

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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Anybody likes PITT? Youngblood?
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:00:15 GMT

In article <1k4sb7INN3pq@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE) writes:
>In article <93026.135055CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>>Not that Dale's idea was spectacular but the inside cover
>>does say that he isn't responsible for the writing.
>>It lists a writer.
>
>I havn't bought it yet, but I do know that Keown plotted/coplotted the
>book.  

Enought already!
PITT is written by Brian Hotton, so stop blaming Dale for that.  Just cause 
a guy can draw doesn't mean he has any concept of good writing.
btw, WildCATS is co-written by Jim Lee and Brandon Choi, so Jim's at least
partially responsible.  ;-)

jfs


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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Sandman #47 (APA! SPOILERS!)
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:57:23 GMT

>jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein):
.
.
.
>Ah, and the idiot of a colorist! 
.
.
.

  Actually, the colorist got it right - the idiots in the Irish
process house who actually make the flexo plates "corrected" the
eyes, just as they "corrected" her mismatched eyes to make them
match in the last few issues.  Idiots.
-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Missed Deadlines
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 04:02:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <C1EJ9I.M41@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

As I recall, the book that helped define the concept of late/erratic/
non-existant shipping was "Ms. Mystic."  Although "Camelot 3000 #12,"
which shipped months and months late was no slouch either.  But
"Ms. Mystic" was one of the trail blazers.  Before MM, the notion of
an allegedly monthly comic shipping annually was absurd, rather than
the common place incident it is now.

I mean, at least for a while there "Miracle Man" shipped with some degree
of frequency.  "Ms. Mystic" *never* did.  Although I do remember the day
my local comic shop got in an issue of each of them on the same day; I'll
never forget the look of shock on the retailer's face.  Kind of like
being hit by lightning twice in a 24 hour period.
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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:49:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.134324.77672@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>
>>Any other people out there who noticed this?  What do y'all think?  They
>>draw their characters while looking in a mirror?
>

Mike Grell has done this with several characters. Green Arrow, Warlord,
Starslayer, and Jon Sable are very similar characters. I read somewhere
that he gave Green Arrow and the Warlord beards sililar to his own and
that Starslayer wore an eyepatch because Mike had an eye injury and had
to wear one.  Mike did a story in Green Arrow where the Warlord went 
though Seattle and many people confused the two.

		Jolly Roger


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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: MISC: Missed Deadlines
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:51:18 GMT

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>Recently, people have been bitching about how late some titles are;
>the Image books, Miracleman, On a Pale Horse...  

>So, in your opinion, which title has the worst record, and why?

>My own nomination goes to Colleen Doran's _A_Distant_Soil_ by Aria Press.
>The first issue came out last October, the second in May, the third...
>well, I'm still waiti.
>Now, I know that Colleen is doing this all on her own, that she's been
>sick, and that she has been doing other work during this time period,
>but still!  The main story is just the cleaned up artwork from the
>graphic novels.  This shouldn't take so long.

Anythign wrong with ADS schedule, blame Donning.
I've gotten into the habit of blaming Donning for everything
bad in the universe, like vegimite and Windows and all manner
of things, and found it has simplified life a great deal.

I have an especially fond memory regarding the "Captain Power
and the Soldiers of the Future" comic from, I think the name
might have been Continuity, but in any case, I ahve no doubt
it doesn't really matter any more becasue the company can't 
possibly still be there.

2 issues in 2 years.  The first one was deluxe format.  They
reprinted it as a newsstand on normal pulp paper.  this was after
the book was already 8 montsh later.  Then it was anotehr year
till issue 2 came out, also on pulp paper.  To mu knoweldge,
there was no issue 3 or 4.  It stopped smack in the middle of the
story they were adapting (badly, and that's saying a great deal, as CP 
was hardly known for the quality of some of its scripts) and
any hopes I might ahve had that the comic might pick up where ther
show left off were dash when I realised 3 years later that that was *it*.



LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: MISC: Ma, Can I have another newsgroup? PLEEEEASE?!! (Was: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:43:46 GMT

Two objections to r.a.c.vertigo:

1)  r.a.c.misc doesn't have the kind of load to justify a split at this time.
    We're not deluged -- at least I'm not.  Still using a 15-year-old
    newsreader?  My heart bleeds.  This is Usenet, the do-it-yourself,
    roll-up-your-sleeves, self-starting, improving-the-New-World-Order,
    ask-not-what-your-network-can-do-for-you community. Go forth and improve
    thy lot!  You aren't restricted to the limits of Compu$erve or Genie;
    you can break the bonds of technology on Unix.  Get some sources and
    compile rn.  It's fun and easy!  Make new friends!  Meet girls!

2)  Whether Vertigo will survive more than a year or two.  One of the
    reasons rec.arts.tv.<name your series> always gets voted down in
    rec.arts.tv is that deletion of non-alt. groups is tough to do.  Star
    Trek is about the only exception, as the discussion lived on after the
    death of the first series.  (Which, come to think of it, puts it more
    within the .religion heirarchy.)  We finally split along the Xbooks line
    after the Mutant books ran for over 15 years (with no sign of stopping
    (*sigh*)) of incredible popularity (in sales and discussion).  We should
    be so lucky if Vertigo comix lasts that long.

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 This is Robert Cummings signing off, and saying, "May the Good Lord take
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From: atc@deveel.aero.org (A.T. Campbell)
Subject: Southern CA comics shop recommendations?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:31:53 GMT


I'm looking for a good comics shop in the LA area. I'm new to 
the state (just moved to Redondo Beach) and don't know where to turn.
Could any of you kind folks on USENET please direct me to someplace
with a good selection of current comics, friendly and knowledgeable staff, 
subscription service, subscription discounts, special orders,
and a reasonable selection of back issues? If you can recommend
someplace in or near the South Bay area, that would be even better.

Thanks for the help.

--A. T.--
-- 

A. T. Campbell, III 
atc@deveel.aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Sandman TPBs--Different Covers?
In-reply-to: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:00:12 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<C182H7.BKA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> <C18DGn.GMB@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:20:48 EST

In article <C18DGn.GMB@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>(Can anyone remind me what the Warner cover for P&N looked like? I've
> completely forgotten it.)

Dark. At the top, "THE SANDMAN PReLUDES & NOCTuRNES". At the bottom,
credits. (Photos of) Knicknack shelves at left and right containing
white flowers, books, a cat sculpture, lace, a butterfly, a fish
fossil?, crystals, a watch, a scrap of paper with the words "GATES OF
DAWN", an hourglass, a Buddha, a bottle. Between, a dark and mostly
monochrome impressionistic picture of a face with bright white eyes.
Looks like charcoal, maybe.

Now, *why* are there two different editions of the TPBs?

--
- Rich "mcmxciibo" Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: Model Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:29:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.211456.25749@math.ucla.edu> sherman@leconte.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>
>But, here are a couple of other interesting ones that aren't so obvious:
>
>Dave McKean drew himself into _Signal to Noise_ as the filmmaker's artist
>friend Reed.

Doesn't McKean show up in a bar when Thorne is getting drunk? I seem to
remember a credit in the tail end of Balck Orchid #3 that points this 
out. I suppose he should lose points for being honest...

(part 27)--------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Hello. Are you the spokesman for Planters
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  peanuts? Yes? I'm afraid my family takes the 
   I hope you don't mind    |  nut very seriously and you're cutting into our
   if I sit this one out    |  business"    _Nuts: The Other Amy Fisher Story_
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday (was Re: Ways around Supes' invulnerability?)
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:13:40
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: an1252@anon.penet.fi's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:14:14 GMT

an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel Stevens) writes:
|>This is a thought that occured to me late last night:
|>Is Superman vulnerable to Earth microorganisms? (has he ever caught a 
|>cold or flu?) If not, then his "dead" body won't decay (or at least will
|>only very slowly). Fairly easy for his spirit to return and reanimate it
|>then.
|Cool idea.  I've been wondering about all of the wounds Supes recieved.  
|Couldn't Cadmius get tissue samples from one of them?  That wound he took in 
|the side looked pretty deep (from the "elbow jab").  Oh yeah, he's not 
|vulnerable to Earth microorganisms.  In Superman #2, it was stated that he's 
|never even had as much as a cold.

They mention in one of the last two aftermath issues that his wounds
have all healed....
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:14:10 EST
From: <SRH123@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: GAIMAN'S/SANDMAN'S FUTURE

I've been hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about Neil Gaiman's stay on
Sandman.  On one hand, I hear he's writing until issue 60 before spinning off
an Endless mini, perhaps a Lady Johanna Constantine one-shot.  On the other
hand, I heard he's writing until issue 80.  Then again, I hear he's going to
quit at a certain issue number, take a break, then restart the series with a
"Volume 2, No. 1" issue.

Does ANYBODY know what the scoop is???

-- Scott "I have no clever exit line" Hnasko
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:42:54 GMT

modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall) writes:

>actually a lawsuit from DC was very credible when you looked at
>all of the similarities... i don't remember all of the character's
>names, but they had characters that closely emulated everyone in
>the JLA at the time...

>Superman = Hyperion
>Wonder Woman = ?? (complete with old hubbie = Steve Trevor)
  Princess Power
>Green Arrow = Golden Archer
>Black Canary = ?? some bird name, complete with sonic scream
>Batman = Nighthawk
>Green Lantern = Dr Spectrum
>Hawkman = Captain Hawk or some such
>Flash = Whizzer
>Firestorm = Nuke

no Hawkwoman
no Phantom Stranger
no Red Tornado
Elongated Man = Shape  (but that's stretching it :-) )
Atom = Tom Thumb (more of a gadgeteer, no size-changing
Aquaman = ??? can't remember, but there was one
Zatanna = Arcanna


Tom
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:53:27 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@locusts.berkeley.edu

In article <1juvdjINN2od@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
)On a similar note, there was a recent JL-something cover with two rows
)of heroes running toward each other, with Max Lord, hands raised,
)standing in the center background between the heroes.  This was an
)hommage to some mid-70's cover, but I can't remember which.  Anyone
)know?   Seems like it might have been Snapper Carr in the original. 
)--
)Ken Small 

	It was a JLIQ -- the last but one, I think. There've been lots
of covers with two rows of heroes, of course, but the detail of Max
raising his hands over his head points towards _X-Men_ #100. That cover
had the old X-Men and the new with Prof. X standing between them, arms
raised similarly. (Recall that back then Prof. X was still a cripple;
he would not get his legs back for many years yet. So seeing him 
standing was something of a shock.)

-- 
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From: gestes@regan.next.nd.edu (gregory estes)
Subject: Re: Image..., sigh!
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:51:15 GMT

In article <23JAN199305581254@mary.fordham.edu> areid@mary.fordham.edu  
(Darin Reid) writes:
> 
> 1) Has Anyone besides me noticed that "Spawn" is teh only image title
> coming out on some regular sort of basis?
> 
> 2) Do you realize that, for all the knocks, bashes and insults hurled
> at McFarlane, he's the only Image "creator" who thought his concept
> out?
> 
> It seems that he has Spawn planned until the umpteenth issue!  Books
> like Brigade, Youngblood and Wildcats are slow in coming out and hard
> tough to follow.
	While I will agree with you that Wildcats is hard to follow, I  
believe it is because of its complexity rather than directionless  
ambiguity (like Youngblood and Brigade). As a matter of fact, I kinda like  
it.
> 
> Maybe that was the Image people's problem with Marvel, they had
> deadlines!
> 
> - Darin
> 
>  
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7 (possible spoilers)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:47:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1jumr1INNgmr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>Then perhaps we're going to find out that the Endless are not as endless as 
>they seem...

>Perhaps by the end of the storyline, we will see the death of one of the
>Endless...

Well, isn't Death the only one who hasn't taken part in the search?

Delerium met with Desire and Despair and Dream and Del. met Destiny
and Destruction.  Just leaves one out of the whole mess.  She met the
lawyer, and a big death was coming for the alderman ... but take part
in the quest?  No.  Prevent the quest?  Hmmmm...

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
It's a hard, sad life for most people.  Don't scorn the simple
things that give them pleasure.  -- D. Sutten
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Stanley & His Monster
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:19:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


So far (2 issues in) I've been a little disappointed with STANLEY,
which IMHO isn't working as well as Foglio's ANGEL & THE APE
reworking a while back, or his (usually) great "adult" comic
XXXENOPHILE.  But it's still fun to see something new by Foglio,
and I will pick up the rest of the series.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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Subject: Re: Shadow of the Torturer
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:28:18 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <4q4RXB17w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca
(Elizabeth Holden) says:
>
>Did this series ever go beyond issue #3?  It was supposed to be a 6-part
>adaptation,w asn't it?
>
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth
>

   Yeah, this waiting is really becoming painful.  At this point
 I think I'll just read the book.  I liked the comics a lot, but
 it seems that Innovation is working in some kind of time warp.
From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Request for info: Spiderman Movie
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility



I talked to Stan Lee at the beginning of the year and *he* told me
that Jim is still working on the screenplay...  Then he muttered
something about Summer of '94....or was it '95???

Does it really matter?  Get ready for a long wait...  if Stan doesn't
even know, then I don't know WHO does...

Greg
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:37:07 GMT

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine):
[Lucifer in Australia]
>>I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
>
>Yeah, but they also have marmite.  Can you honestly see Lucifer Morningstar 
>spreading brewer's yeast on toast?
>
>Okay, so it could happen.

But if Lucifer did turn out to have a taste for the stuff, we'd have
to reopen the question of whether he Fell or was pushed...

-----
Dani Zweig
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"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 Are full of passionate intensity." -- W.B. Yeats

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