HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:41:01 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec14.224957.11233@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:

>may be higher.  Every middle aged morbidly obese male I have
>talked to has diet cycled many times.
>
Well, certainly when I was morbidly obese I had never dieted at all.
My first diet got me out of that range and I've never been back
there since, thanks to dieting.  Not that I don't cycle, I just
don't cycle up to the morbid range.
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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:30:07 GMT

In article <17878@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.000934.28433@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>>In article <17744@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec05.003236.11454@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>>>>
>>>>The current Adiposity 101 cites almost 20 papers that conclude
>>>>the obese generally didn't get that way by feeding their faces.
>>>
>>>Well, not exactly.  If you don't feed your face you eventually will
>>>suffer the same fate as those currently in Somalia.
>>
>>Hardly.  "Feeding your face" is a perjorative term that means extreme
>>hyperphagia.  It is my mistake in using a phrase that is meaningful
>>only to those who grew up fat at a tender age.
>>
>
>I know what it means, and did grow up fat at a tender age and 

Well then, what was your BMI at 5, 10 and 15?

>was told to quit feeding my face, so stifle with that nonsense.

Gordon, if you knew what "feeding your face meant" why did you
equate not "feeding your face" with terminal starvation when you
knew better?  Or was it a Freudian slip?

Gordon, thanks for reminding me about Rena.  We're still waiting
for her answers to the legitimate questions already before her.
The longer she ignores my communications the more concerned I
become that she is more interested in protecting a diet based
research establishment than progress toward effective obesity
treatment.

Gordon's other comments clarify the need to add some more basic
information about current obesity research in Adiposity 101,
rather than just mentioning it with references to standard works.

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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:42:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: pitt.17937
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec23.043007.5590@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>
>Well then, what was your BMI at 5, 10 and 15?
>
Well, I told you I was 210 at age 15 and 5'11" high.  Can you figure
it out from that?  I don't know how fat I was at 5 or 10.  By age
10 I was being teased, however.

>Gordon, if you knew what "feeding your face meant" why did you
>equate not "feeding your face" with terminal starvation when you
>knew better?  
>

I wanted to get a rise out of you.

>Gordon, thanks for reminding me about Rena.  We're still waiting
>for her answers to the legitimate questions already before her.
>The longer she ignores my communications the more concerned I
>become that she is more interested in protecting a diet based
>research establishment than progress toward effective obesity
>treatment.

I told you that you were far too rude to expect to get a reply
from Rena.  She undoubtedly considered you a crank.



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From: jgnassi@athena.mit.edu (John Angelo Gnassi)
Subject: Re: sex, menstruation, endometriosis
Organization: Massachusetts General Hospital - Lab of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:57:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.224342.4115@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> u081f131@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis081 sec001 fall92) writes:
>I have recently been told that having sex during ones period can
>possibly lead to endometriosis.  I would like to know if this is

There are several theories about the origin of endometriosis, none
proved.  One with a bearing on this comment is that tiny pieces of
endometrium shed during menstruation might implant outside the uterus
in the peritoneal cavity, bleeding internally with menses.  One
might guess that sex might stir things up in the abdomen and pelvis
a bit more, but to say that sex facilitates endometriosis is
speculative.  I know of no credible evidence that curtailing sex
will reduce the risk of developing endometriosis.

BTW, you mention that orgasm helps menstrual cramps, and I've heard
this from several people.  Admittedly, this probably varies a lot
from person to person, but does anyone know why this might be so?
Although the nonpregnant uterus is only slightly sensitive to the
effects of oxytocin, its release during orgasm would, if anything,
serve to worsen cramping.  Would anyone care to rationalize a
physiologic explanation if an answer isn't well established?

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From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Tuberculosis
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:59:09 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Well, I can't comment on OSHA - if they feel it is necessary to use
masks in ER - it is a non-controlled environment in terms of hygiene and
optimal conditions.

For people with TB, unless they are actively coughing up sputum with
large amounts TB bacilli in them, it is not usually very infectious.
Remember Camille? Armand would probably have been exposed to the bacillu
but that does not mean he would get TB. The person's immunity is an
important factor in the disease.

If your friends are feeling cheerful and fairly well, it probably would
not hurt to drop by.

BTW, 6 month treatment of TB is actually considered a shorter form of
treatment. Since TB is endemic here, the traditional 1.5 to 2 year
treatment was used for a long time since there was so much relapse with
shorter regimes. However, because of problems with compliance and better
drugs, especially rifampicin, shorter regimes are now used. It is still
very important to complete treatment. Aborted treatment is probably a
factor in multiply-drug resistant TB bacillus which is not a good thing
to have around for endemic TB countries.

gervais
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: sex, menstruation, endometriosis
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:23:09 EDT
 <1993Jan3.092649.572@news.wesleyan.edu> <1993Jan3.231108.10579@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Distribution: world
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In <1993Jan3.231108.10579@beaver.cs.washington.edu> neville@cs.washington.edu writes:
> 
> I agree that retrograde menstruation based on sexual penetration seems
> improbable.  However, is it true that there is no evidence for any
> retrograde menstruation?  The insert to the cervical cap says do not

Well, lets put it this way:  less than 10% of medline abstracts on etiology of
endometriosis mention retrograde menstruation at all.  About 1/2 of those that
do mention it say it has no effect; 1/4 of them say there's no evidence that it
ever happens at all; & 3 claim that it is universal in all menstruating women. 
One article (out of a couple hundred) *speculates* that "since retrograde
menstruation is universal" (no evidence provided) and an increase in total
number of lifetime menstruations is positively correlated with an increase in
incidence of endometriosis (this has been statistically demonstrated), that
*maybe* retrograde menstruation *might* deposit sloughed endometrial cells in
the peritoneal cavity which then implant, causing endometriosis.

Not exactly what I'd call strong evidence.

Exasperatingly <grrrr> there's more research into whether having a job causes
endometriosis than there is on whether IUDs or cervical caps cause or
exacerbate it.  Oops; I'd better hit SEND before I get myself started.....


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Stroke victims and epidermal growth factor
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:42:49 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <C018Co.EqG@news.iastate.edu>,
by skcummi@iastate.edu (Sheri K Cummings):

[deletions]

> Recently I heard, I think on a Paul Harvey report, about a treatment for
> older stroke victims using something called epidermal growth factor.  Do
> any of you netters know anything about this?  Or could you share incidents
> of stroke victims improving after the first year?  Thanks in advance.

I'm interested in this information as well, and will be following
this thread.  I can't comment on the clinical use of EGF in stroke, but
some very recent findings suggest that there is a population of
cells in the CNS of adult mammals (mice) that is capable of neurogenesis
(de novo production of neurons) upon stimulation by EGF.  The initial
report was the cover story in the 27 March 1992 issue of Science.


--

Steve Matheson   Program in Neuroscience   University of Arizona
sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Tuberculosis
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:09:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.2318
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Dec26.044012.18619@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie
 (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>What does this 0% mean?
>Are you saying (or reporting)
>that BCG was found to have _no_ effect in some trial?
>Where was this trial?

BCG has generally seemed to be less effective in trials in North America
than in other parts of the world.  It is not clear (at least to me)
whether this has to do with varying strains of Tb or simply with
the lower prevalence of Tb in NA.  I believe there have been U.S.
trials of BCG showing no benefit as compared to placebo, but I have
no idea what the power of those studies was.
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Estrogen Replacement Therapy
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 17:55:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

A friend has reached menopause and has begun estrogen replacement 
therapy.  She currently takes Estrace, 1mg/day.  The first 12 days of the
month her physcian has her put Proges cream on her feet.  She also is told
to put apply Provera to better "challenge" the uterus.  

Question:  Would there be less cancer risk to just switch from Proges 
cream to Provera?  Her mother had uterine cancer.  

She originally tried to use the Estraderm Estradiol patch but had the
side effect of painful leg swelling.  The doctor took her off this
and put her on this lower dose pill form.  Any comments from someone
who's heard of this kind of side effect from ERT?  

amigan@cup.portal.com
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From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Phantom Limb Pain
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Organization: Indiana University Cyclotron Facility, Bloomington, Indiana
Distribution:  world
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:22:37 GMT

I recently heard or read that phantom limb pain (or the probability of
it occurring) in new amputees may be significantly reduced if the
limb is locally anesthetized BEFORE the general anesthesia and amputation.

Is this true?

If so, can anyone provide references?

Thanks, 

Jim Graham 

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From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg)
Subject: Re: Elevated GGTP enzyme a problem?
Keywords: GGTP
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:40:58 GMT

GGTP is an "inducible" liver enzyme. It increases when the liver has to deal
with an excess of certain foreign chemicals.  Ethanol, dilantin,
phenobarbital, tegretol are examples of inducers.  Obviously, by far the
most common cause is ethanol.  GGTP is usually under 20 in abstainers,
under 45 in social drinkers. More than 2-3 beers a day gets you over 45. 
It's a good way for health professionals treating alcoholism to detect
relapse.  Ethanol consumption is also associated with elevated
triglycerides.  I suspect that the body deals with the caloric and osmotic
load of ethanol by converting it to triglycerides - fats.  Triglycerides
are also high in obesity and diabetes.  In diabetes, the body is evidently
trying to deal with the caloric and osmotic overload of glucose the same way.

Elevated GGTP does not mean the liver is in trouble, just working harder. 
If other liver enzymes (AST, ALT)(or SGOT, SGPT), bilirubin, albumin and
clotting time are ok, the liver is operating within its envelope. 
However, if the cause is ethanol, the ethanol could be doing damage
elsewhere. The central and peripheral nervous system, the pancreas, the
heart and other muscles are more susceptible than the liver in many
individuals.  Of course, there is also the problem of addiction and the
insidious adverse effects it can have on nonbiological aspects of life.
The nervousness, depression, heartburn may be related to this. 

This was long. Sorry.  I tend to get carried
away with the sound of my own voice 8-).  

So, bye for now.

Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu)   -:- Help Stamp Out Mental Health -:-
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Household mold - allergies - a connection?
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:37:45 GMT

In a previous article, tony@compunet.uucp" wrote:
>     My wife is seeing an allergist for very severe allergy problems.  She
>  gets limited symptomatic relief from his Rx's: PBZ-SR and Polaramine.
>  He is also giving her bi-weekly injections of some medicine he developed
>  after doing a number of patch tests on her back.
> 
>    My question is:  What is the likelihood one particular allergen could
>  be causing most of her problems?  This question came this morning after an

..

There are places where you can send away a petri dish which you leave open in
your home.  Any molds that are in your house will then grow in the dish, and
the lab will then tell you if you have an abnormal amount of a particular mold
and what it is.  However, if your wife has allergies, you should probably invest
in a good air filter or two.  If you suspect mold, you may have to control your
humidity in your house.  If it's dust, etc., you may even have to remove
carpets and rugs like I did for my wife.  Old furniture and rugs also may have
molds.  Take a look at some of those allergy books that talk about such things.

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:30:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec30.203033.21158
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec30.200240.14796@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>>>The 403 to 343 loss was a combination of Pearson&Shaw, Cambridge
>>>Diet, and 800 calories worth of Weight Watchers' frozen dinners,
>>>which resulted in hair loss, heart palpitations, funny looking
>>>fingernails, severe fatigue, stomach upsets, and piano legs.
>>
>>	Piano legs?  What is that?   
>
>I forget the medical term, but it refers to swelling of the feet and
>lower legs that builds up during the day and tends to go away during
>sleep when the fluid doesn't have to go uphill.

Edema.

I thought "piano legs" referred to a big abdomen and skinny legs, but
maybe you have a different piano than I do.  I find it hard to believe
that dieting per se contributes markedly to the development of edema in
the absence of other problems.  As for your fingernails, I'd stop
looking at them.  End of problem.

Have you ever met with a nutritionist (a real one) and planned a 2000
kcal/day diet?  At your current weight, you'd probably lose plenty fast
with that for the first 100 or so lbs.  That's a LOT of food.  And when
you got to your regular weight, you wouldn't need much more per day.


-- 
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From: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Women Doctors
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:06:06 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <92361.102433MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>
>I am looking for any sort of data/statistics on how patients feel about
>women doctors.

In my experience patients feel less concerned about sex than competence
and empathy. Most patients seem to have a 3rd sex reserved for doctors most of
the time but may choose gender for specific problems (eg genital). Perhaps
because of socialisation, men are more particular about who they show their genitalia
to than women. Patients' tendancy to express preference for a particular sex is as much related to their own experiences of
their own or opposite sex as with doctors. I have heard many women relate bad
experiences with female doctors and would not blythely assume that women in
general prefer women doctors.

Having said that, one thing for sure is that any data will need to come from the patients
themselves. Anybody, including me, who talks on their behalf is immediately
suspect!

David Kenealy
Male Doctor.
ps 50% or more of New Zealand medical graduates are women.
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Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:38:54 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1993Jan01.003259.4122@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP writes:
> If one were using statistical manipulations to generate good
> experimental results out of nothing, it would be logical to
> dismiss questioners as "cranks", "anti-dieters", or "feminists".
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^

Harrumph!


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: Doug.Platt@f595.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Platt)
Sender: Usenet@f-454.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Tuberculosis
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:07:34 -0600

 
 
Hello
 
Hope someone can help me with this question.
 
A few weeks ago, a friend told me that his girlfriend (who lives with
him) had been diagnosed with "borderline tuberculosis."
 
First, I've never heard of anyone being "borderline" with this disease.
Is that possible?
 
Second, since he told me this, I've been hesitant to visit them.  I'm
running out of excuses why I can't come over.  Is it as contagious as
I think it is.  Am I being overly cautious by not visiting there?
 
Third, there is a party coming up soon at which that couple will be a
guest.  I'm having second thoughts about attending it because of them.
Do I have reason to be concerned?
 
Thank you.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Acute pyogenic peronichia (sp?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:06:42 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <Bz2rCD.B95@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:

>1.) What IS "acute pyogenic peronichia (sp?)?

Infection under the cuticle.

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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Cranberry Juice Antidote
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:42:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


I heard on TV a long time ago that cranberry juice is also an antidote
for a drug used by veterinarians, perhaps the same drug.

This drug prevents you from remembering anything you do, while you are on it,
and it makes you immobile.

Two rapist were putting the drug into the drinks of women they met at
bars. Then they'd take the women to their vehicles, and rape them.

They finally got caught because one woman drank lots of cranberry juice
before the attack, enabling her to remember sufficient detail to make an
arrest.

Anyway, the TV show said the drug is so effective for criminal abuse,
they wouldn't even reveal its name, except to say it's a white powder
used by veterinarians.