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From: tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om)
Subject: Re: 9 out in '01?
Keywords: n
Organization: Finnish Darts Organization
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:24:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.210316.8624@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:


>	For example: just how in the hell did you wind up at 9? Does that
>	mean you shot for an 18...D9? You shouldn't have done that! According
>	to the Beginner's Dart Handbook section 3 rule 4 article 9, you
>	should have shot the single 2 to leave 16...D8!!!   :-)

Single 2 ? 

Why? If you miss the single then it is 17, too much or 15 which leaves
3.. not so nice.

No, go for the "single 6 double six or single 10 double 4" -strategy if
you are not sure about the double 9.

(:-))




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From: rjl@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Lang)
Subject: How to improve?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:51:15 EST



Hi,

Any general advice on how I can improve my game? I seem to have reached a sort
of plateau and simply throwing hour after hour isn't helping much. Should I,
for instance, experiment with a different throwing motion, different grip or
different stance? Should I keep track of my accuracy--i.e., how often do I
miss; and do I miss more often to the left, right, etc.?

Thanks!

-Bob
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From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: re: new game
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:49:18 EST


A game which is quite popular here in Guelph after league play is
BEERS.
Those who wish to play first throw two darts at the same time with
the wrong hand. Scores are marked down, and the order of play is
determined by descending order.
You then mark the chalk board:

          B  E  E  R  S
  Alan
  Lynne
  Ian
  Emily
  etc.

Alan throws first and scores 57.
Lynne then has to beat that, or get a letter. A tie doesn't beat it.
If she throws 57 or less, she gets a B. Suppose she throws a 45.
Ian then has to beat 45. He throws a 60.
Emily beats that by throwing 125.
Alan throws a ton, and gets a letter.
When a player gets 5 letters, spelling BEERS beside the name, he or she
is out of the game.
The last person still in the game wins.

Last Saturday, we had quite an amazing run when one player topped an 85
by throwing a ton. The next player threw a 120. The next player threw
135. That was followed by a 140. Next one up threw a 26, and things
returned to normal.

It's a lot of fun, and it can go quite quickly.


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From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: re: once again: cricket r
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:49:19 EST

 -=> On 12-10-92  16:23, Andy Lipscomb wrote to All <=-

 AL> and the other the "batter."  The players throw alternately (bowler
 AL> first).  The bowler's objective is to hit bulls:  an inner takes 2
 AL> wickets, an outer 1. The batter tries to score as high as possible;
 AL> anything over 40 goes to his credit.  When the bowler succeeds in
 AL> taking 10 wickets, the players switch roles.  After each player has
 AL> batted twice, the higher score wins. 

 I'm a bit confused here. What do you mean "anything over 40 goes to
 his credit"? What happens if he scores 40 or under?

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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: 9 out in '01?
Keywords: 01 outs
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:48:27 GMT

In article <spray.724443523@convex.convex.com> spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>I was practising my '01 outs last night and came up
>with an interesting dilemma.  Suppose (through no fault
>of your own B-) ) you are left with 9, how do you finish it?

Somewhere between 12 and 21 darts.

BUT SERIOUSLY FOLKS, this is my last day at Intel.  Moving on to
bigger and better things at Interactive Systems, Inc.  My preferred
e-mail address is, as always, rogerc@techbood.com.  I will be checking
mail and news at least once a week.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all, good darts!

  Mugs Away, Mate!
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Oops.  There's that signature again.  A blast from the past for sure.

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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: 9 out in '01?
Keywords: 01 outs
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:18:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I was practising my '01 outs last night and came up
with an interesting dilemma.  Suppose (through no fault
of your own B-) ) you are left with 9, how do you finish it?

1, D4  - on the powers of two theory, that says if you get a single
	 4 on your second dart, you can still finish with D2.

or

3, D3 - given that the single 3 is a sighting dart for the double.

(I can't see any point in 5,D2 or 7,D1.)

I seemed to be better at the 3,D3, which goes against my usual
strategy.

Opinions?

--Rob   spray@convex.com

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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: new game
Organization: the vms company
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:07:14 GMT


re: (Rod Hutchings) .....
>"alan pickersgill" writes:
>>A game which is quite popular here in Guelph after league play is
>>BEERS.
>>Those who wish to play first throw two darts at the same time with
>>the wrong hand. Scores are marked down, and the order of play is
>>determined by descending order.
>>You then mark the chalk board:
>>
>>          B  E  E  R  S
>>  Alan
>>  Lynne
>>  Ian
>>  Emily
>>  etc.
>>
>>Alan throws first and scores 57.
>>Lynne then has to beat that, or get a letter. A tie doesn't beat it.
>>If she throws 57 or less, she gets a B. Suppose she throws a 45.
>>Ian then has to beat 45. He throws a 60.
>>Emily beats that by throwing 125.
>>Alan throws a ton, and gets a letter.
>>When a player gets 5 letters, spelling BEERS beside the name, he or she
>>is out of the game.
>>The last person still in the game wins.
>>
> 
>This is not exactly a new game.  In fact, I have been playing this for years
>now.  We call it High Life.  Players take turns shooting/establishing
>scores.  As long as you beat the previously shot score, you are safe.  But
>if you don't, you get an 'X'.  If you hit a predetermined number of "X"s,
>you are out. (We usually play with 3 X's.) 

Allan,

	Rod is correct. This is not a new game, and has other names such as
	*Legs*, *High Legs* or *Overs*. There is an opposite game where each
	shooter tries for a lower score from the previous shooter. In this
	case the names used are *Low Legs* or *Unders*. The number of "Xs" or
	"legs" can be any, we typically use 3 but 5 is ok too, as long
	as each player starts off with an equivalent number of them.
	Whatever the name used, the scoring is as you have stated. 
	But, if you want some different fun, try the reverse scoring of
	*Low Legs*. Typical low score is 3! 3 single 1s, which I am sure
	everyone can hit, just maybe not when you want them! ;^)
	The little twisty bit comes in on the bulls. Since 3 is too easy to
	hit, the bull is used as a negative number (single = -5, double = -10)
	That way, it is possible to save your score and yourself with a
	nicely placed bull or 2. Lowest possible score of course...... -30.
	Shooting into the negative numbers always has a way of putting the
	pressure on the opponents....some respond very well, others drop
	their draws and slink off into the background.
	Even if the number to beat is 20 or even higher, good shooters tend
	to keep the pressure on by scoring -15 or so.  ;-}

-gabe
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:07:56 CST
From:         Julie Stone <C09725SJ@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Once again: Cricket Rules
Newsgroups:   alt.sport.darts

While it seems that most of your questions regarding 2 player "american
cricket" and the individual 4 player version have already been answered in
other postings, I have a few things to add.

If you are playing Gabe Tang's version of individual 4 player cricket (we play
by the same rules) it is important to remember that if you have already closed
18's and one or more of your opponents still have 18's open you can give them
18 points if you hit a single 18 on your next throw, 36 if you hit a double 18
on your next throw or 54 if you hit a triple on your next throw. Or any
combination of these. So if their 18's are open and you hit triple 18, single
18, you point them 72 points. This is exactly the same for 2 person cricket
you take the points.

There are several other games which we play in our league in St. Louis that are
close to the other versions you describe. Spanish is 20 - 10, no bulls. General
Cricket rules apply. The second is Minnesota which is 20-15, bulls, doubles,
triples and beds. Cricket rules (ie. 3 marks to close and scoring) are the
same. A bed is when you hit the same number 3 times in the same throw.
So if you hit 3 17's in one turn you mark one bed. You can bed on any number.
Once beds or trips or doubles or any other number is closed (while the other
team is still open you can score on it. So a double 17, if you can point is
34, a triple 17 is worth 51, a bed of 17's is also worth 51.

If you hit triple 20, double 20, single 20, you can take 1 bed or take a
triple, a double and a single. So there is strategy in how you mark. But beds
are only worth 3 singles in points. It's a good game. But it takes a long time
to play if you are just starting since beds are not so easy to hit. But its
good practice          ----Julie Stone
From: chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @ SSDA)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Dart Question.
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:48:55 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

varma@athena.cs.uga.edu (Pratim Varma) writes:

Hi [Tim/Pratim],

	The way I've always played, and in comps as well, is that if your
dart falls out before the caller/scorer has called the score then it dosn't
count, otherwise it does.

Hope this helps

Chris

>	I was wondering if anyone could answer one of my dart problems.
> I play at a local bar here in Athens, and the board is beginning to really 
> wear out. When all three darts have been thrown, one of the darts begins to 
> fall out. When is it that the dart does not count? Before it is marked, or 
> before the it is marked and when the dart has fallen. Please don't tell me 
> to go to a bar where there is a new dart board! Thank you.
>							Tim Varma...
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From: xa27@midway.uchicago.edu (Bruce Law)
Subject: Chicago-UofC?
Followup-To: alt.sport.darts
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:53:04 GMT

 I was wondering if there was anyone reading this group who was from, or
worked around Hyde Park? (the University of Chicago) Since, it would seem,
as with most things of interest to the common (man/woman), our environ is
caught lacking in the Dart area.


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From: api053@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Garion)
Subject: Re: once again: cricket r
Organization: Coventry University
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.2629.598@dosgate> "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com> writes:
> -=> On 12-10-92  16:23, Andy Lipscomb wrote to All <=-
>
> AL> and the other the "batter."  The players throw alternately (bowler
> AL> first).  The bowler's objective is to hit bulls:  an inner takes 2
> AL> wickets, an outer 1. The batter tries to score as high as possible;
> AL> anything over 40 goes to his credit.  When the bowler succeeds in
> AL> taking 10 wickets, the players switch roles.  After each player has
> AL> batted twice, the higher score wins. 
>
> I'm a bit confused here. What do you mean "anything over 40 goes to
> his credit"? What happens if he scores 40 or under?
>

I'm not 100% certain if this is the exactly the same version that we play,
but if he scores under 40, then  - no score!

-+* Steve *+-


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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: 9 out in '01?
Keywords: 01 outs
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:55:13 GMT

By the way, my favorite 3 dart out is 32.
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From: rodney@riemann.math.mun.ca (Rod Hutchings)
Subject: Re: new game
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.2629.597@dosgate> "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com> writes:
>
>A game which is quite popular here in Guelph after league play is
>BEERS.
>Those who wish to play first throw two darts at the same time with
>the wrong hand. Scores are marked down, and the order of play is
>determined by descending order.
>You then mark the chalk board:
>
>          B  E  E  R  S
>  Alan
>  Lynne
>  Ian
>  Emily
>  etc.
>
>Alan throws first and scores 57.
>Lynne then has to beat that, or get a letter. A tie doesn't beat it.
>If she throws 57 or less, she gets a B. Suppose she throws a 45.
>Ian then has to beat 45. He throws a 60.
>Emily beats that by throwing 125.
>Alan throws a ton, and gets a letter.
>When a player gets 5 letters, spelling BEERS beside the name, he or she
>is out of the game.
>The last person still in the game wins.
>

This is not exactly a new game.  In fact, I have been playing this for years
now.  We call it High Life.  Players take turns shooting/establishing
scores.  As long as you beat the previously shot score, you are safe.  But
if you don't, you get an 'X'.  If you hit a predetermined number of "X"s,
you are out. (We usually play with 3 X's.) 

We play another version of "Life" called "Crazy Life" where players shoot
for the "isolated" parts of the board.  The outside band (the double ring),
the outer part of the single (The "Big" part), the triple ring, the inner
portuion of the single (the "small" part), the outer bull, and the bull
itself, are all different "isolated" parts.  Let's say Joe shoots the large
(outer) 17.  Then all players take three darts at that part of the 17 until
someone hits it.  Every player that misses in three darts gets an "X".  Once
a player hits the isolated part, he throws for another isolated part.

There is another rule here that says that if a whole round goes without
hitting the isolated number, so that the original shooter of the part is now
next shooter, then that shooter does not have to shoot (since he/she
established the shot in the first place).

Just my $.02 worth.

Rod Hutchings
rodney@riemann.math.mun.ca
part of the board is
From: chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @ SSDA)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Televised Darts?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:57:50 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

eduard@htsa.aha.nl (Eduard Beijnes) writes:

>begin january the embassy will be on TV         
>(it is going to be late ....)

Hi all,
	I know this is a little picky - however could I suggest that if any
information of this type is going to be posted a brief description of where
the poster is located would be valuable.

ie: I dont believe there will be any televising of the Embassy Darts on 
Australian Television - what a bummer.


Cheers all

Chris
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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: 9 out in '01?
Organization: the vms company
Date: 15 DEC 92 15:47:51 EST


re: (Rob Spray) ...........
>I was practising my '01 outs last night and came up
>with an interesting dilemma.  Suppose (through no fault
>of your own B-) ) you are left with 9, how do you finish it?
>1, D4  - on the powers of two theory, that says if you get a single
>  4 on your second dart, you can still finish with D2. or
>3, D3 - given that the single 3 is a sighting dart for the double.
>(I can't see any point in 5,D2 or 7,D1.)
>I seemed to be better at the 3,D3, which goes against my usual
>strategy. Opinions?

Rob,
	To be a good darter, you should be comfortable with any of the
	doubles. Personal preference or luck/non-luck, it shouldn't matter.
	Nothing wrong with going for D1 either. Only you know how you are
	shooting any particular day and whether you feel confident and
	focused. Typically it is the beginner who follows some sort of
	personal restrictions and guidelines, shooting only at certain 
	numbers (like powers of 2) while ignoring other numbers. The 
	advanced shooters will target any number that can/will win.
	
	For example: just how in the hell did you wind up at 9? Does that
	mean you shot for an 18...D9? You shouldn't have done that! According
	to the Beginner's Dart Handbook section 3 rule 4 article 9, you
	should have shot the single 2 to leave 16...D8!!!   :-)
	See, you don't follow those rules. And you thought rules were meant
	to be followed. Agassi says..."just do it"...Bud Dry says..."Why ask
	Why?"........you should be saying........"I don't care, I can win
	on any double."  8^p

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From: etxmarr@eos.ericsson.se (Marek Repinski)
Subject: Re: Televised Darts?
Reply-To: Marek.Repinski@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:59:21 GMT

In article <Bz9ABv.6os@unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>, klaus@vidar.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Klaus Zeppenfeld) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.142643.20238@htsa.aha.nl> eduard@htsa.aha.nl (Eduard Beijnes) writes:
|> >begin january the embassy will be on TV         
|> >(it is going to be late ....)
|> >
|> 
|> On which channel ???

Last year there was some games shown on BBC World.

|> 

/Marek

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From: kforward@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ken Forward)
Subject: Re: Once again: Cricket Rules
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.131154.11801@gmd.de> richard@gmd.de writes:
>
>   The goal is to close the numbers 15 to 20 and bull. 
>   You close a number by hitting it three times.
>   If you hit a double you get two hits, hitting a trebble
>   gains three hits.
>   If you hit a closed number, which the opponent didn't 
>   close yet, you score.
>   The winner is, who closes all numbers and has the highest score.
>
>Is this correct so far?
>
Yes, I believe this to be the most commom means of scoring Cricket.
Having said that, my friends and I score the game somewhat differently.
An example: players A and B have 20's closed, player C doesn't. If A
scores another 20, s/he *adds* it to player C's score. Closed board
with *lowest* score wins.

Doesn't make any difference with only two people playing, but seems
to make more sense with >=three players: in the above scenario, why
should player A gain a lead against player B when they both have their
20's closed ?

Not being as good as the alt.sport.darts netgods, we also count the
outer bull (25) as a bull, and the actual bull (50) as a double-bull
:-)
From: wayne@sw.stratus.com (Wayne Newberry)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: practice games
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:01:57 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: alt
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I've never heard of this exact game, but it is very close
to what I know as "Burma Road".  In that game there are
fewer things to shoot at since the sequence goes:

15, 16, doubles, 17, 18, triples, 19, 20, bull.

Each player starts with 40 points, and scores all points
that are consistent with the target in that leg.  As with
your game, any double counts during the doubles leg.  Also,
like you game, any miss cuts the score in half and any 
number can play.

Your game seems like a tougher version, and I am going to
give it a try.  Thanks for the info.

Wayne
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From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: practice games
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:17:37 EST

There is a good practice game I have played a few times, but I don't
know a name for it.

You start by marking the board vertically:
20, T, 19, D, 18, 3in1, 17, 3C, 16, SB, 15, DB.

Everyone throws for the 20, and score only the darts that land in the 20.
On the next throw, every one throws for a triple, counting only the
value of the darts that land in one.
If you fail to hit a triple, you cut your points in half.

e.g., 1st throw:  Alan 20, Lynne 40, Ian 60, Emily 80
Alan then throws T18, 2 misses; Lynne T17, T2, 1 miss; Ian 3 misses;
Emily T6, 2 misses.
      2nd throw:  Alan 74, Lynne 97, Ian 30, Emily 98
and so on down the list.

3in1 means that if your first dart lands in 20, for example, the next
two must also land in 20 in order for you to score. Otherwise, you get
your score cut in half.

3C means that each dart has to score on a different coloured part of
the board.

Several people can play, and the lead can change hands quite dramatically.
The more points you have, the more you suffer if you miss.

Cheers,

Alan.

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