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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: demuffining
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:10:14 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.041021.1065@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com
(Jack Hamilton) writes:

>MF explains that "the saber-tasche or saber pouch is a kind of bag
>protected by a shield, which hangs from the shoulder strap where the
>light troops wear their sabers; it plays an important role in the tales
>which the soldiers tell among themselves."  I suppose that these days
>they would use them to carry condoms.

In which event I guess saber pouch is an appropriate name,
or close enough, anyway.

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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Frozen Green Tomatoes (was Re: Northern Exposure
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:48:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvG6G2.7H0
Distribution: usa
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

I think the book is clearer.  They're obviously in love, Idgie's family
has a "What-are-you're-intentions" talk with Ruth, etc.

The book is still a bit homophobic;  when Ruth's boy is having trouble
with girls, Idhie starts aking him if "he's funny" or some such.  Blech.

Joe
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:23:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.051514.21434@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> 
> Speaking of gastronomy, have I ever served you that meal for 40 guests,
> _Spam in Allium_?

Not at all is that an appetizing prospect. [6 letters]
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Butthole surfin
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:31:23 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1aatmjINNdel@uwm.edu> bully@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Shad Aaron Merwin) writes:
>How's about I shove a broomstick up you faggots' butts?  I wonder how
>much corn I'll find on the end of it.

  No thank you.
  But by "corn" do you mean maize as in _Zea mays_?  Which is how
  we Americans (US Americans) refer to that grass which produces
  those delightful kernals of starch and just a tiny amount of
  seed storage protein.  In Europe, "corn" refers to other grassy
  crop plants, for example in *Norway*, one of my favorite places,
  "corn" means what we call *barley* (_Hordeum vulgaris_) while
  in Scotland "corn" refers to what we call *oats*  (_Avena sativa_).
  Rice (_Oryza sativa_ [see how that "sativa" crops up quite often?])
  is rice just about everywhere I guess.
   
  Does that answer your question?  Why do you want to know?

  Wayne, who never thought his plant molecular biology would allow
  him to give help to a mentally deficient bigot.  
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: RE: Gai Pied to cease publication, and Sunday Brunch
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:07:54 GMT

In article <1OCT92.15073332@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> How many "couples" do you know with more than two people involved?
> 
and has second thoughts:
> 
> Hmmm.  Maybe I need to think about this a little more.

Indeed. What, for example, do you mean by "involved"?
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:42:30 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) yawns:
 
> Damn, I should be asleep.

Or at least in bed.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:49:52 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>In article <72923@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>What's in Fashion?  For Men, Smooth Look Goes Integral

>	Gross.

>	As if we needed more people being "told" that if they
>don't look like X their worth is diminished.

>	Beauty is internal, not external.  Fashion is
>a way for people to make money off of other people's insecurities.
>When you "go in for fashion" you're buying this demoralizing
>and dehumanizing crap lock, stock and barrel.

>	Don't.

>	You don't *need* to wax to look good, sexy, interesting, etc.
>You don't *need* to be thin, tan, blond, smooth, muscular, young
>to have self-worth and to be found attractive by other people.

I swear, we must be living in mutually exclusive gay universes.

>These things are *traits* not requirements or conditions.

>	It's time our community started casting off these things
>in favor of liking each other for who we are, not who we're told to be.

Hmmmm....I wonder when Hell will freeze over.

>We dont' like it when the phobes treat us as things, why are we so 
>willing to let GQ/IM/EL/LLBean/etc. to do the same?  

THAT is the question I have been asking myself ever since I first met 
another gay.

>	Admittedly, looksism did provide the mechanism for most of
>the bear and G&M community to form out of, mostly for self-preservation,
>but these same elements can and do permeate these sub communities.

>	The next time you find yourself judging someone because
>of how they look/dress/etc... ask yourself: who is telling me
>to come to this conclusion?  Then next time you see/hear/read
>something telling you "you really want to look like THIS" ask
>yourself is that the *only* possibility there is?  The model may
>be beautiful, sexy, hot, and wonderful, but so are you.

Lord how I *love* idealists!!!

>	We as a society (mainstream) are too fashion-addicted.
>We feel we can't "function" without our apparel "drugs", that
>we'll only be OK if have them, and without them we are doomed,nothing.
>What crap.  Isn't it time we flushed?

>BBC, beautiful, sexy,
>cuddly, unwaxed, not
>blonde, not thin, and
>without designer clothes,
>tanning salons, designer
>hair care products (unless
>Head and Shoulders counts :-),
>Soloflex, etc.

but with mate?

Colburn Eigen                   H|u> = E|u>

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:41:38 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) wrote:

>> 	Ah, but then doesn't it [wearing expensive suit] fall flat on it's face?  
>
>It's true that some elements of fashion require the audience to 'know'
>something about said fashion.  Excellent example:  pink triangles and
>rainbow rings.  To many, these are pink triangles and rings.  

	Um, pink triangles and freedom rings are ***NOT*** fashion
statements.  *Especially* not the pink triangles.  When they are
coo:pted to be "queer fashion" we have lost something VERY VERY VERY
important.  Say - oh the entire symbolism of pride, not to mention
any semblance to historical/cultural perspective.

	Seen another way - why haven't yellow Star of David patches
become a fashion statement?  Can you say cultural incongruity?

BBC
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:08:14 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1as4rlINNgg9@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>I don't know about left versus right handers, but there is a similar propensity in
>the gay community.  Gay men, in my experience, have an unnatural propensity to
>be unable to tell their left from their right.  Just ask one for directions :-)
>(Hi, Gerritt!)

Yeah, "left" and "right" is something that has never become automatic
for me, I often have to stop and (even if for the briefest fraction of
a second) self-consciously recalibrate.  I think part of this is
on some level never being sure whether I think (for example) "left"
should mean pointing away from myself with my left hand or pointing in
towards myself with my left hand.  :-)  For that matter, if you do a
right turn, it's the left edge of you that's doing the moving, while
the right is just the pivot, so it makes it feel like a left turn too
because the left is leading.
 
Well actually this has gotten somewhat better since I pierced my right
ear and have that constant reminder of which side is the right one.
 
Now some people will talk about handedness and sexual orientation, but
I wonder about handedness and computer use ... if I type away on the
computer all day using both hands, and much less often do activities
(like writing with a pen) that are strictly handed, am I making myself
more ambidextrous?  Ditto for guitar playing ... I'm a right-handed
person whose left hand can jump around making all the chords just
fine, but whose right hand can't seem to do anything more complicated
than strum.

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 2 Oct 1992 11:35:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct2.172526.3901@nevada.edu> 
balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.172914.7349@spdcc.com>, 
> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
> >	Beauty is internal, not external. 

And here I was thinking that beauty is only skin deep.

> >	The next time you find yourself judging someone because
> >of how they look/dress/etc... ask yourself: who is telling me
> >to come to this conclusion? 

Well, in my case it's my inner-Coco.

>    I don't automatically cut people off
> because of their appearance, but they had to make choices about
> their appearance, and those choices can tell you things about
> them.

Absolutely.  That well-known authority on everything under the 
sun -- yes, you know who -- wrote in her guidebook to living a 
fuller, more sex-citing life:

    Have you ever noticed how lovely ballet dancers always
    look, even when they're walking down the street or across
    a living room?  

Yes I have.  Lovely ballet dancers somehow manage always to
look, well, lovely.

                      They not only carry themselves like angels,
    they have happy expressions because for years they work all
    day in front of mirrors.  And you can't keep looking into 
    a mirror at a disagreeable expression.

How true.

                                            A busy woman can't
    spend whole days in front of mirrors, but she ought to have
    them all over the house (which improves the decor, too) and
    make a point of glancing at herself every time she passes one.  

Really?  Why?

    It's a form of narcissism that pays off.

Oh?  How?

                                               If _you_ are 
    pleased with what you see, chances are he will be, too.

But what if you're *not* pleased with what you see once you've 
installed mirrors all over your apartment?  *Exercise*.  She Who 
Knew All was much in favor of physical activity, as am I.

    I'm in favor of any gadget that gets people moving. 

(Would that include some of the gadgets people have been writing
about here lately?)

    If there's room in your house for an exercycle, I approve 
    of that, too.  If there's a basement, why not a rowing 
    machine?  The whole family could go down there for nightly 
    workouts before dinner and feel much better for it.

"Come on, Johnny-boy!  Jeffie!  It's time to *row*!"

    In my city apartment I have no houseroom for things like
    that, but I do have a hard-rubber stretcher that gives
    my muscles a workout I love.

"And Jeffie, honey, don't forget to bring that hard-rubber 
stretcher with you!  I'm in the mood for a *workout*!"

Arne
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Advice for Justin
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:59:36 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <Bv1px5.32G@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>
>I didn't get the banana in my starter kit :(

YOU should start with beans.  Work your way up to peas in a pod.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:52:25 GMT

In article <lcp1ljINN56k@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.164655.15688@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> |> Then I look around at the motss.con, and I notice the set of people
> |> who I'm choosing to spend my time with. For example, I looked around
> |> on the porch at Alan's BBQ and I was surrounded by 8 bearded men, most
> |> (if not all) of whom were full fledged bears.

As distinguished from fledgeling bears? Hmm, fur, feathers... whatever.

> 
> Gee, I have had days like this too... Usually, the bearded men are naked
> as well, but that is just a detail...

That was the next day, Jeff.

>  
> |> I'm noticing a trend here. What ever will I do? :-)
> 
> You will begin be unbuttoning the top button of his flannel shirt.

Always a good place to start. (Actually, I kind of like starting with
one of the middle buttons, myself, but Nelson can start wherever he
likes... as long as he doesn't stop...)
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:51:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.165759.6657@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>
>>Andeyo Atashi!  KOREAN!  

>Sore demo ii.  anata wa ne!

Kore nihon-go, na?  Baka, da na?  

(oops, wrong cabal - gomen)

Melmothra-chan, ACC
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:56:34 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction

In article <BvEu1u.C7G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Dark
Sage) says:
>
>[...]
>I like science fictoin novels, especially cyber-punk genres.  Does anyone
>know of any good books in these lines that have gay characters, preferably
>main characters?

One Sci-Fi book I found good is "Chrome" (Auth: George Nader, first
(c) 1978 by G.P. Putnam's & Sons, now (c) Alyson Publications, Inc,
ISBN 1-55583-114-1)

I found it to have some pretty intense "scenes".  It's easy reading
and at 360 pages, a couple day read.  I bought my copy at Lambda Rising
in DC a couple years ago for around 10 bucks.

-Tim
From: maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: moderator
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:50:48 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <15626@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

> [...] Babb, one of the *best* in minimalist names, [...]

Well, in this country we have a city named Y, and another one
named Eu. The latter is famous for its mayor (le maire d'Eu).

And in Switzerland they have Aa...

---
Frederic Maffray, who learnt much geography in crossword puzzles.


 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:44:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep29.020504.14348@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>[the man is solid on the sage/mustard/salty-sauce front, however.
>hmm...has anyone tried putting mustard on your lover's nipples,
>and then waiting a bit before licking it off?  yes, i know, soy
>sauce on the belly, such a *cliche'*...]

I assume you've seen the movie "Tampopo".  The scenes with the crayfish and
the raw egg are quite something. 


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From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:33:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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Ours is easy.  Solomon and Weber := Sober.  Appropriate for me the vast majority
of the time.  For those of you who know Mark, it is perfect.

Howard

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 14:41:34 EDT
From: Ken Sherrill <KSSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Austin Politics and Lesbian Wedding Announcements

I need your help. Yesterday afternoon, I received a call from the producers of
the Donohue Show, asking me to be an "expert" in the NYC studio audience while
Donohue does a show about the current state legislative campaign in Austin. The
campaign supposedly centers on a wedding announcement placed by two lesbians in
an Austin newspaper and virulently homophobic attacks on a gay legislator being
made by the Republican insurgent. The show will be aired live on Monday, Sept.
28.

If you can provide me with any information or insights about this campaign,
please contact me directly at:
KSSHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

All help will be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Phyllis Schaffly's son John . . . COMES OUT NATIONALLY!
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:36:45 GMT


In article <72836@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

|> Is the rest of your body as flaccid as your mind?

There's that penis thing again.....

5th grade?  6th?

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:02:50 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Sep29.151646.21504@osf.org> coren@osf.org
(Robert Coren) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.022850.1632@reed.edu>,
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>[about the "motss.blacklist"]
>>I well remember at least one pissing match with Clay Bond.

>Oh, well, this really doesn't count.  Just about anybody
>was likely to get into a pissing match with Clay Bond.(*)
>And others generally sided with him because, despite his
>often-abrasive manner (and apart from an unaccountable
>adoration for the works of Richard Strauss :-)), Clay was
>usually Right.

Clay, absent now a goodly while, seems to be turning into
the motss-style Heroic Figure.  What you say is quite right.
I can remember quite a number of the most acrimonious and
white-hot exchanges with him, early on.  Hoisting a bit on
my own petard, since it's one of my litanies, I mistook his
form for his content, on occasion.  The plain fact is, I
believe, that few people here, before or since, have put as
much thought into what they say as he did.  And a quality I
especially came to appreciate was this (I shouldn't speak of
it in the past tense, as it's still true): It makes no
difference whether he's your friend or not, if he thinks
your ideas are not worked out or just plain wrong, he won't
hesitate to point out your error, almost always in fairly
vivid terms.  He's not infallible (who is?), but he makes
a real effort to have his brain fully engaged before his
lips start moving.

However, dearest Robert, on the subject of Richard Strauss,
especially his operas Elektra, Salmoe, and Die Frau ohne
Schatten, I think Clay's adoration is more than
well-founded, since I share his taste for them.  I was in
high school the first time I heard Elektra, and I will admit
to being completely unable to see that it *was* something,
not even singing, as I heard it then.  Like a lot of things,
one needs some familiarity with what it's *really* all about
to see what's going on in there (I'm speaking of myself, not
you, of course).  More than 40 years later I can't imagine
that I knew as little about singing or about opera as I did
then, a deficiency I've taken a few steps to remedy, in the
interval.

>>But you should think about what you are
>>saying, objectively, because it is not too clever."

>That fact that people troubled to do this is a sure sign
>that you evinced at least some small spark of intelligence.

More than, I thought, but I'm prejudiced in his favor.

>I confess that I don't remember *any* of this, but it all
>sounds quite plausible.

I do remember it, but not the casus belli, fortunately.

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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My God! Less than a week away!
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:08:03 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <thaaang.717921899@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Oh.
>
>John, blinking				
    
    Wasn't that fun?  We'll have to do it again sometime.

>                                        (I'm an acquired taste,
>					 like caviar or arsenic)

                                 I just knew it!

                                 Wayne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Private system -- Orlando, FL
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:16:25 GMT

In article <10417@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Erik Estrada			actor (???)

Poor Erik has been reduced to co-hosting infomercials for 900 number
"psychic hotlines."

(Only $3.99 per minute, must be 18, for entertainment purposes only.)
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:58:12 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct1.230156.2307@netcom.com>, stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.174421.8022@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>Re: heft --- I once saw a butt plug SO LARGE (about 1 1/2' high and maybe
>>0.8' thick), that my first though was "I could take a drill to
>>that and with some epoxy and wiring turn it into an interesting table
>>lamp..."  (It was blue by the way).
>>
> That was no butt plug, that was a Lava Lamp.

     That was no lava lamp, that was a Lube Lamp!
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