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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Data and Pinocchio (some musings).
Originator: rhballan@c00577-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:46:45 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.151803.19188@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, haney@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (HANEY PATRICIA J) writes
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep19.223005.2720@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) writes:
|> >      Just sitting here musing about the imminent Time's Arrow Part 2,
|> >"Will Earth be saved by Data's ultimate sacrifice ?" (as my TV guide
|> >teases), Data's head, Data's death(?) ...... and Pinocchio.
|> >      An interesting plot device would be for Data to sacrifice his
|> >android existence (and android powers) only.  Some highly advanced entity
|> >intervenes (not a novel idea in ST) and creates a human body that looks
|> >like Data (played by Brent Spiner, of course).  Data's consciousness
|> >is transfered to the new body.
|> 
|> SPOILER MUSINGS...
|> 

|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Somebody quoted Brent Spiner as saying 'he would be without a head for 
|> next season'. Is he written off? Do we get a new actor with a new face?
|> My interpretation of this strange, dismaying quote is that Data goes
|> without a head for 500 yrs then they pop his old head (the one sitting
|> back in the Enterprise) back on when he catches up. He'll come back
|> without a head (it's left in the cave) but they've got something to 
|> reattach.....
|> 
|> Did anyone else remember this quote?

Sounds like a joke to me.

Rob

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:14:14 GMT

> That stuff is as meaningless as the fake puzzle about three men
> sharing a hotel room on a stormy night, paying $10 a piece, each
> receiving $1 back, the bellboy keeping $2 ...   I'm sure you've
> heard that ridiculous non-puzzle, so I won't repeat it. You'd be
> surprised how many people hear it and can't figure out the
> fallacy. They think it's a REAL puzzle and a REAL mystery.

Oh that was simple! The bellboy feels guilty and tells them it should have
only costed $25 and gives them $5. They each take a dollar and give the bellboy
the extra $2. Then the person telling the puzzle asks, That's only $27! What
happened to the extra 3. DUH! What 3...It costs $25 now not $30...The bellboy
got $2 which makes $27.

You are right that alot of people get confused on that one.
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From: edward@twg.com (Edward C. Bennett)
Subject: Dialogue we wish we heard in TA II
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:40:15 GMT

When Geordi has Data in the lab and he trying to restart him:

	Geordi: "Why won't this work?"

	Data: "Oil can!"
-- 
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From: shadow@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (the shadow knows)
Subject: selectivity of starfleet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:57:10 GMT

	How selective is starfleet? i vaguely..very vaguely recall crusher 
taking the academy tests..but the group was small..was it four people out of
an entire planet is eligible for the academy?  One look at barkeley...or any
other 'normal' crew member would seem to indicate that starfeet has nice 
people, but not the elite of entire planets?

	is starfleet as selective as the US army?

there was a comment earlier about no enlisted men since there's not need
for them.
-Mark
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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: (SPOILER) Possible watch paradox in TA2
Keywords: does anybody really read these keywords?
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:57:35 GMT

Spoilers for "Time's Arrow Part 2" follow:


In article <willdye.717564578@helios> willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye) writes:
>
>Maybe I missed something, but did the following happen?
>
>1.  In the 24th century, they find a watch dated at 500 years old in a mine.
>2.  Clements travels from 19th century to 24th, and retrieves his watch.
>3.  Clements travels back to 19th century, and places the watch in the mine.
>
>But the watch is 500 years old when Clements retrieves it.  It will now be 
>1000 years old when they find it in the 24th century.  The loop continues, 
>with the watch getting 500 years older each loop.  

Well, no....

Clemens found his original watch back in the cave...and left it there.
After all, he *already* had a 500 year old watch in his pocket (though
I SERIOUSLY doubt that it's anywhere near perfect operating condition :-).

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From: ming@arghouse.UUCP (ming)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: About Barkley...
Keywords: lnet.v
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 00:12:23 PDT
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Organization: The Listening Post

cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

> Regarding Barkley...
> 
> /In article <1992Oct1.000409.1466@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu 
> /writes:
> /> In article <BvEutt.6pA@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Mino
> />> 
> />> Does anyone else wonder if Lt. Barkley went to the academy on the Kevin
> />> Riley schlarship?
> />> 
> />> Heh, heh.
> /> 
> /> Dear Friends:
> /> Did anyone notice that tonight it was a Barkley episode, e.g. everyone els
> /> the week off?  Maybe this is what happens when you have an ex-A-Team guest
> /> star.  Next week George Pepard meets Mr. T as Warf's brother in "Cigars in
> /> Mist."
> /> Stay Tuned! 
> /> Love,
> /> Ali Spaerk
> /> 
> > 
> 
> I'd like to know why Geordi and the gang are zapping Barkley down the
> tube of possible no return, without Picard's knowledge, permission, or 
> anything.  All of a sudden, Barkley has to find out what he saw, so it's
> OK...ZAP.  
> Then what's the deal with the mouth worm in the transporter.  How did Barkley
> know to grab it....wasn't he scared to death of it in the first place?
> Did it come up and say....Hi, I'm John...I'm a missing crew member off 
> the other ship, if you would just hug me, that would be great.  I mean,
> what's the deal?
> 
> I like Barkley though.  He's sort of a bumbling type, but you have to
> have some imperfect people around.  The medical student mania was amusing,
> but almost overdone.
> Cheers,
> -Pamela Cho-

understood if you leap out of the storyline.  the writers of the
episode realized that they had only 2 mins. left of airtime script
and the major plot threads were not resolved.  again the writers will
hope none of this is noticed.
<M.A.V.>

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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Relm of Fear **SPOILERS**
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

Tired of unending reams of bandwidth beating TAII into the ground?
Me too.

Let's talk "Relm of Fear".  But first...

HERE THERE BE SPOYLERS!


This was very nice.  Dwight Shultz turns in another excellent performance.
When he's first getting ready to transport, his fear is palpable.  His
following interaction with Troi was also nicely done -- showing a certain
amount of growth from "Hollow Persuits" and "Nth Degree", and yet -- he's
still pretty much the same guy.  Dwight also did a good job of playing
the humorous bits.  

The plot was very well paced (perhaps just a bit slow at times).  For
once, the plot wasn't all resolved in the last 5 minutes.

All in all, I liked this one.  Not in the same class as the big winners,
but still worth a B+, I think.

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From: ehamrick@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric N Hamrick)
Subject: problems with Times' Arrow prt. 2
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:57:58 GMT

First post to this group.  Greetings all.

     I feel part 1 of Time's Arrow really made my expectations of an
  excellent conclusion great.  And after reading the articles on TNG
  in the current special edition of Cinematique, where one of the
  people associated with the production of TNG said they went over
  budget, it forced me to count the seconds till the conclusion
  was broadcasted.
     Unfortunetaly, part 2 did not live up to my expectations.  A few
  people here have already listed some of their grievances.  Here are
  a few of mine.
      -I've noticed Brent Spiner falling out of character on a few episodes,
  this one included.  When the landlady walked in on the crew in the apartment,
  Data's haphhazard grabbing and reading of the play book did not seem
  convincing for what should be a perfectly coordinated Android running at
  over a trillion instructions per second.  Later, when the alien energy
  snatchers show up, Data suddenly get an absolutely evil grimmace on his
  face reminiscent of Lore.  Small quip, but it just doesn't fit his
  emotionless character.
     -Someone mentioned the problem with finding the 19th cent clothes so
  quickly.  I have been pondering how they came up with so many Shakespearean
  play booklets.  It seemed that everyone had a play booklet, even for Data
  who just arrived.  And they were perfectly placed in a close proximity.

     I really hate to find things wrong with an TNG episode, but having my
  expectations ruined so drastically really pissed me off.

     -Eric Hamrick-
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: What does it mean when...
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:32:24 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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Spoilers for "Realm of Fear"


So what does it mean when Geordi mentions that "You look a little pale."?

Considering his visor, I think I'd be a bit worried if my infrared
signature had dropped significantly enough for Geordi to mention...  :-)


Mark Runyan
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From: ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Subject: Barclay and Scotty! (Possible spoilers on Barclay episode)
Keywords: Transporter tech;)
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:21:20 GMT

Well now... It seems that at least with this latest episode they
have proven that people can survive for a period of time in some
sort of transporter stasis.  So maybe that's how they are gonig
to get Scotty into the future.  

On the other hand, that episode sounded an AWFUL lot like some
of the comments about scotty showing up.  (Lost/adrift science
vessel; nobody alive on said vessel; people in transporter limbo; )

Maybe folks got two episodes merged together (The Scotty episode, and
the Barclay episode.)

Just another random comment...

>>Ericw
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Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
From: wwolf@zooid.guild.org (White Wolf)
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:03:28 GMT

From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
>
>I was excited about the possibility of having a Sci-Fi channel on
>cable but after reading this I am DISGUSTED.  Cable services
>abound which show old programs and movies alongside the same
>programs being shown on FREE broadcast stations.   If what this
>article is implying is true, that the Sci-Fi Channel is
>purchasing exclusive rights to dozens of old programs, then for
>me the idea of having a large chunk of science fiction virutally
>removed from broadcast TV is repulsive.  I rank it about the same
>as the idea of gas stations charging 50 cents to put air in your
>tire.  It sucks.
>
     I believe the correct terminology would be "it blows."
 
                   White Wolf
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: time's arrow part ii
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 05:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.3208.11453@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>>>> SPOILERS
>>>>
>
>
>
>>    Also, how long does it take a photon torpedo to reach the surface? That
>>seemed awfully long.
>
>How long?  I don't think ti was THAT long.  What I thought long was the
>time it took to PROGRAM it.  It was quite obvious that they were
>stalling to save Picard, but in doing that they twisted the Trek
>Universe immensly.  I seriously doubt programming the computer to shoot
>a torpedo spread takes FIVE minutes!!!

What really got me was when Riker says to Worf, "Power up the Photon Torpedoes.
Let me know when they're ready."

What happened to "Arm Photon Torpedoes." "Photon Torpedoes armed, Sir."?


-- 
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From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Follow up on The Inner Light
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:52:49 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
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	I had spoke earlier abouthowPicard never knew what is was like to bea
father and have children and a wife.  I had mentioned the episode, Samaritan
Snare which shows Picard and Wesley on a shuttle craft and Picard telling
Wesley that he never had the time for a family.  

	Well a more appropriate dialogue occured on the episode entitled
"The Defector 
	(Awesome!)  where the Romulan Admiral asked Picard if he had any 
children.  Picard replying, "Yes this is all nice, however..."  
The Romulan told Picard to more or less the same effect that until he
knew of the feeling of a father who's child was in jeapardy of living a normal
life, that Picard could not understand his arguement and so on.

	The Inner Light gave Picard that experience!  Remember when (Chris
Farley Show) Picard's in the end spoke of how sorry he felt for his grand-
children that they had no future?  

	I am alomst certain that the writers will change Picards attitude
toward children if not anything else.



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From: cs000sdl@selway.umt.edu (Stefan D Leigland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TOP 10 LIST
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:30:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: selway.1992Oct6.203009.22848
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Montana

<Yet another Top 10 List>

Sound the alarms, it's another first-timer posting to the net!  EEEWWW!
And he's trying to be funny, too.  Anyway, let me know what you think,
especially if I shouldn't give up my day job...

	TOP 10 UNUSED PLOT LINES FOR THE COMING SEASON
	----------------------------------------------

10.  Q turns the entire crew into house pets.

 9.  Wesley returns from the Academy just in time to save the Enterprise
     from certain destruction.  Deanna throttles him because it was HER
     turn to save the show.

 8.  TV producer thinks Riker's goofy looks and cheesy pick-up lines
     are hilarious.  Offers him his own late night talk show.

 7.  Geordi gets a date.

 6.  Deanna grows another head!  Psychobabble now twice as annoying.

 5.  Enterprise purchased by short, Texas billionaire.  NCC-1701-D
     is renamed "The Perotmobile."

 4.  Data joins a travelling Chippendales club as the "anemic stripper
     from Eroticus IV."

 3.  Beverly develops a virus which regenerates human hair.  Picard
     becomes a spokesman for Hair Club for Men.

 2.  Guinan reveals that she's really Dr. Ruth.

 1.  Lwaxana and Alexander hijack the saucer section.  Spend rest of
     show swooping the drive section and terrorizing Barkley.  

Hope you enjoyed!

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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Beverly Woolf)
Subject: ST in Washington, D.C.
Organization: ProLine [pro-woolf] The Woolf's Den BBS & Vintage Hobbies
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 08:49:09 MDT

        My husband and I will be moving to the DC area in about 4 weeks. 
Could someone please email to me the television station(s) that carry Star
Trek?  Thank you.

...Bev

P.S.  Is the Sci-Fi Channel available there?

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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:31:58 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Oct1.225442.19821@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>If transportation involves decomposition and reconstitution,
>how is it that Barclay's body is intact while he is in the
>matter stream? The inside shot of transportation somehow
>wasn't what I expected.

People on rec.arts.startrek.tech, coincidently, were recently asking
if the transportee is actually dead after he's been taken apart and
before he's been put back together.  Apparently not.  The theory that
came up to explain why this wouldn't be the case is that the process
of reconstructing you normally begins *before* you are completely
decomposed so that more and more of you is on the planet surface (or
whereever) and that, normally, you are never completely decomposed
during transit.

Of course, this doesn't explain how come Barclay appeared solid during
"stasis".  This must have been an illusion just as the crewmen being
worms must have been an illusion.  Of course, we're back to the original
question, namely: how can someone be alive let alone perceive anything
during statis (as you are, supposedly, completely dematerialised)?

I forgot to set follow up to rec.arts.startrek.tech  Would people be so
kind as to direct any follow ups there?  Thank you.

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From: jamaass@bluemoon.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Subject: TA II: Changed Actress? (No Spoilers)
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:33:03 EDT

Does anyone know why they changed the actress playing the 
female "invader" between TA I and TA II?

The actress in TA I is a very dark-haired woman with "chiseled"
features who I recognize from several recent "B movies". The 
female invader from TA II is a different woman entirely. Since
I have no VCR, and since I missed the credits on TA II, I have
no names.

Trivia, I know, but inqiring minds want to know!


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Times Arrow II (SPOILERS)
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:17:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep27.135347.5222@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:

>No, presume they could restore it.  There was no reason to actually worry
>about doing that before, since they were trying to prevent Data from
>losing his head, in the first place.  I have no doubt that it would have
>survived, and either be restorable or work anyway.  Remember that Data
>should live for QUITE a long time.

Yeah, but after 12% decomposition, you would expect *something* to have
gone wrong with it.

>I was more disappointed that Picard returned without the head left back in
>time.  We know that Data could be in the same place with both heads, so
>having a spare would have come in really handy, if you ever lose your head
>in a more permanent way.  Imagine hooking up the oterh head to the
>computer ...

Um, he needed to leave that head behind, so that it would be discovered
in the 24th century.  If they didn't leave any head behind, there wouldn't
have been one for the miners to find.

>I thought it was rather elegantly done, and Picard certainly WAS kind to
>Guinan, who apparently lives to be very old, since she hasn't appeared to
>change noticeably in approximately 500 years!

But then, we've already known that she's from a very long-lived race,
haven't we?

>I guess we will have to wait to learn if her hat is also a Tardis.

Oh please, not again!


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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: nudity on trek
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:22:31 GMT

Now that the show "Civil Wars" has seen fit to go with a parental
warning and show us the greater portion of on of their female
character's breasts, how soon till :TNG follows suit?  I mean,
if Marial Hemmingway [sp?] can stoop to prime time nakedness,
resident 'boob-queen' Marina Sirtis can be capable of no less? Or
perhaps some aliens who don't wear shirts?  Ratings week must
be coming up soon and we all know that everybody [trek included]
will do anything to get high ratings.  Any bets?



From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 22:17:16 GMT
Subject: Re: SPOILEReview: "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server