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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:35:52 PDT
From:         Ed Rovera <EJR9006@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Fixes via Direct Info

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:36:59 EDT Mike Ramundo said:
>     At this time last year ( or was it '90 ?? ), I was offering
>to send certain files from VMSC's  DIRECT INFO to anyone who needed
>them but who could not dial into the service.  Someone mentioned that
>the same info was available via bitnet.  Could that person or anyone
>who has the info please contact me

   Mike,

   I don't know if DIRECT INFO can be reached directly from BITNET but
you can get to it from the IBMMAIL gateway.  You need to have a valid
IBMMAIL address (your SE can help you get this set up) and then you
can contact SCI for the IBMMAIL address of their server.  SCI has a
dippy sort of macro interface that they send you and from then on you
use that to compose or insert the stuff you want to send.  It is very
easy to request zaps through but can be a bit of a pain to use for
other things, but you'll get used to it.

   I get my fixes this way and they show up right here on my VM id; no
need to retype anything.  I've also used this method for posting
problem reports and providing them documentation on problems.  When it
comes to getting SCI console logs and the like, I find using DIRECT
INFO over IBMMAIL/BITNET to be quicker than sending a fax if I count
the time it takes to get the fax cover sheet off the PostScript
printer, use the other printer to print what I want to send, and for
me to walk to the other wing of our complex where the stupid fax
machine is now located!  Using DIRECT INFO cuts all this down to 3-5
minutes of cut-and-paste XEDITing and gets it right to the support
person's terminal in no more than 5-10 minutes, depending on the
network load.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:54:07 -0400
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From:         JCDURANN@ENAPSTG1.BITNET
Subject:      VMBACKUP & 3490 Problem.

We are evaluating an IBM 3490E C22 cartridge unit, but some problem
arise when using VMBACKUP at level 5.3A.
Our configuration is as follow :
  VM/SP Release 5.0 at put 9002
  IBM 4341-2
  3490E channel attached to the 4341 in a 2 Mbps channel
The 3490 is defined as a 3480 unit to VM without any feature.

The problem is :

  When VmBackup is ready to go to next cartirdge in an full backup job
(not a physical one) we get an unrecoverable I/O error with message
VMBTMP540E UNRECOVERABLE ERROR OCCURRED WRITING A DATA BLOCK
and the the unit is detached.

The EREP report indicate a fault symptom code 4411 and the description of it
is as follow : A Read Backward command has been issued for a record in 3490E
Extended Format. A unit Check, which impacts performance, is given the first
time a Read Backward command is issued. The Unit Check is only given once per
tape mount.

The questions are :
 Does somebody else experimented this symptom before ?
 Is the IDRC feature involved in this ? It must be active or inactive in the
 unit ?
 Can it be a VMBACKUP release level problem ?
 What is record in 3490E Extended Format ?

Thanks in advance.

Juan Carlos Duran
Empresa Nacional del Petroleo
Santiago - Chile
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:26:00 EDT
From:         Bob Fowles 814-865-4774 <RBF@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Fixes via Direct Info

I pressed the wrong key and just sent a private note to L-VMCTR instead of to
Nick Gavrielatos (ucnick@socrates.umd.edu).  My apologies.
   Bob Fowles, Center for Academic Computing, Penn State
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:23:53 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fixes via Direct Info

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:35:52 PDT Ed Rovera said:
>   Mike,
>
>   I don't know if DIRECT INFO can be reached directly from BITNET but
>you can get to it from the IBMMAIL gateway.  You need to have a valid
>IBMMAIL address (your SE can help you get this set up) and then you
>can contact SCI for the IBMMAIL address of their server.  SCI has a
Ed,

Can one have the a SE set up an IBMMAIL address without paying IBM extra
$$$$$. That is will it work if one only as the basic IBMLINK userids.
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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Fixes via Direct Info
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:49:01 GMT

In article <L-VMCTR%92082523083091@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> ucnick@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU (Nick Gavrielatos) writes:
>One more thing: Watch out when you download fixes from the
>BBS, because the NOT sign in rexx(^) as well as the OR
>character(|) dont get downloaded correctly, but instead
>get translated to some other irrelevant hex character,
>which of course if pass undetected can cause problems
>later on.

You can fix the | at least with the following:

     XEDIT fileid
     SET HEX ON
     CHANGE /X'6A'/X'4F'/* *
     FILE

I know, I've been there ;->
-- 
Mark A. Stevens                           Phone:    708-534-0200
Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
Board of Governors Universities           VMSHARE:  ECE/MARK
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:38:43 -0400
From:         Anthony Ng <CCENGNM@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Direct ( lack-of / impossible to get at ) Info

I wouldn't have agree more, Mike.  Here in Singapore, SCI do have
a regional office but NO technical people.  Though we're only a
trial site, we have already run into a few problems and the
turn-around time (me faxing error log to SCI Singapore, then they
fax to US, then back to them, then finally to me) is not satisfactory
at all.

---------
*****************************************************************
* Anthony Ng                        * "Don't Look Back !"       *
* Systems Programmer                *      Luke 9:62            *
* NATIONAL UNIVERSITY OF SINGAPORE  * "Batteries NOT included,  *
* Bitnet : CCENGNM@NUSVM            *  neither any guarantte."  *
*****************************************************************
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:50:06 CET
From:         Hans-Ulrich Giese <U001212@HEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      new/del nodes for 9210
Comments: To: NODMGT-L@HEARN.BITNET

here comes the monthly list of new/del nodes for 9210 :

new nodes :

BRCETESB 0928 BR ANSP
BRPUCRS  0929 BR ANSP
UDEMAV01 1277 MX BITNET
ALBNERIC 0925 US BITNET
ASU      0926 US BITNET
PSUBEH2  1245 US BITNET
VDH      1313 US BITNET
WCHESTER 1482 US BITNET
WINGRA   1519 US BITNET
JPNTGU00 1149 JP CAREN
BANUIA61 0032 BE EARN
DMUMPIMV 0728 DE EARN
DMUMPINT 0626 DE EARN
DMUMPIWH 0260 DE EARN
HUBME51  0924 HU EARN
TRATAUNI 0923 TR EARN

delete nodes :
ALMCSVM1 ALMCSVM2  ALMCSVM6  ALMCSVS5  ALMVMB    ALMVMC    BBRBFU01
BLIULG13 BRUFMGEE  BUMETA    DMSWWU2B  HNYKUN12  POLYGRAF  POLYTECH
PUCE     TAMAIL    UCSG      UTCHPC    WUMS      WUMS2
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:49:29 EST
From:         Jerry B Altzman <JAUUS@CUVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds

Are you using SFS? Last time I checked, MAILER was having bad interaction
problems with that, but it may have been fixed in the 2.08...

//jbaltz

postmaster, columbia university
jbaltz@columbia.edu, postmast@cuvmb.bitnet, postmaster@columbia.edu
...!rutgers!columbia!jbaltz
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From: rick%ee.uwm.edu@INTERBIT
Subject: Re:      new/del nodes for 9210
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:46:55 GMT

What's an "X-Face: ......"?
What encoding-format is it in?
How can I 'see' one?
How might I make my own?

Thanks in advance...

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:07:31 GMT
From:         Kwong Kam <URKWK@NYUCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:20 EDT Mubashir Farooqi said:
>I need some help. I have Mailer 2.08 running under VM/ESA 1.0 (ESA) at 9105.
>Ever since we migrated to ESA, Mailer is not accepting SMsg commands. I get
>HCP057I Mailer not receiving; not authorized. When I do Q SET on Mailer,
>it shows MSG and SMSG set to IUCV. Also, at startup Mailer gives a message
>that MAILLCL TXTLIB not found from GLOBAL TXTLIB MAILER MAILLCL in MAILER
>Exec. I will appreciate any clue.....

I had the same problem when I put the modules and txtlib on a SFS directory.
See if your mailer access any SFS directory.

Kwong Kam     |    New York University    | internet: urkwk@uccvm.nyu.edu
(212)998-1157 |University Computing center|   bitnet: urkwk@nyuuccvm
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:02:33 EDT
From:         Mubashir Farooqi <MUBASHIR@IBRDVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:49:29 EST Jerry B Altzman said:
>Are you using SFS? Last time I checked, MAILER was having bad interaction
>problems with that, but it may have been fixed in the 2.08...
>
No, I am not using SFS for MAILER.

>//jbaltz
>
>postmaster, columbia university
>jbaltz@columbia.edu, postmast@cuvmb.bitnet, postmaster@columbia.edu
>...!rutgers!columbia!jbaltz

--/Mubashir
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:21:15 EDT
From:         "Sheila Patterson" <SFP@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Charlatans
              3 Sep 1992 11:14:19 EDT from <SYSHERM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

The VM Mailer at Cornell has 'allow-charlatans=FALSE' .

Sheila Patterson, Systems    Interbit Postmaster
321 CCC - Cornell University
Ithaca, NY  14853
(607) 255-5388
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:20 EDT
From:         Mubashir Farooqi <MUBASHIR@IBRDVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds

I need some help. I have Mailer 2.08 running under VM/ESA 1.0 (ESA) at 9105.
Ever since we migrated to ESA, Mailer is not accepting SMsg commands. I get
HCP057I Mailer not receiving; not authorized. When I do Q SET on Mailer,
it shows MSG and SMSG set to IUCV. Also, at startup Mailer gives a message
that MAILLCL TXTLIB not found from GLOBAL TXTLIB MAILER MAILLCL in MAILER
Exec. I will appreciate any clue.....
Regards and Many thanks.....
---/Mubashir
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:30:57 +0200
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds
              2 Sep 1992 15:17:02 EDT from The Crosswell Mailer List
              <XMAILER@FINHUTC>

If you use  SFS or fullscreen CMS for *anything*,  even from the SYSPROF,
mailer will not start due to using a fullword before it is filled in, due
to a  missing SSM  *+1. The  fullword happens to  contain just  the right
value if the connection the mailer opens  is the first one after the IPL.
I sent evidence to  John a long time ago and would  hope that this should
be fixed in the next release.

  Eric
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:49:10 EDT
From:         "A. Harry Williams" <HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Charlatans
              3 Sep 1992 11:14:19 EDT from <SYSHERM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:14:19 EDT Collins, Herman said:
>How many MAILER sites out there are using "allow-charlatans=FALSE" in
>their MAILER PROFILEs?  We've traditionally done this for the small
>amount of protection that it provides against forged mail.  However,
>we've been seeing an increasing number of hosts that send out mail that
>is rejected by our MAILER.  Usually the RSCS tag will say something
>like "JDOE@UNIVM" while the mail headers will say something like
>"jdoe@vm.uni.edu".  I have a canned letter that I send out suggesting
>that they make their headers match, or run a mailer of some sort and
>register it.  They almost invariably tell me that I'm the only one who
>has complained and thet mail to everywhere else works just fine.
We run this way, and I would tell them to use a Mailer.  The you
are the only one complaining is simply a divide and conquer tactic,
like a spoiled child saying all the other children jump off cliffs,
why can't I?
>
>So, does anyone else do this?  I realize how insecure mail is; should I
>just go ahead and accept anything from anybody?  Does anyone have any
>other ideas?
As long as the facility is supported, I have no intention of
deactivating it. (Yes, I realize is isn't secure)
>
>                                    Herman Collins
/ahw
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:17:02 EDT
From:         Mubashir Farooqi <MUBASHIR@IBRDVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mailer not accepting SMsg cmnds

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:07:31 GMT Kwong Kam said:
>On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:20 EDT Mubashir Farooqi said:
>>I need some help. I have Mailer 2.08 running under VM/ESA 1.0 (ESA) at 9105.
>>Ever since we migrated to ESA, Mailer is not accepting SMsg commands. I get
>>HCP057I Mailer not receiving; not authorized. When I do Q SET on Mailer,
>>it shows MSG and SMSG set to IUCV. Also, at startup Mailer gives a message
>>that MAILLCL TXTLIB not found from GLOBAL TXTLIB MAILER MAILLCL in MAILER
>>Exec. I will appreciate any clue.....
>
>I had the same problem when I put the modules and txtlib on a SFS directory.
>See if your mailer access any SFS directory.
>

I don't use SFS for MAILER. In MAILER exec, GLOBAL TXTLIB is trying to load
MAILLCL which it is unable to find. Something to do with it?

>Kwong Kam     |    New York University    | internet: urkwk@uccvm.nyu.edu
>(212)998-1157 |University Computing center|   bitnet: urkwk@nyuuccvm

--/Mubashir
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:52:21 CST
From:         Howard Reitz <IHOW@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      File Forwarding to Internet Nodes

Are there any plans to include file forwarding to internet addresses in
a future release of Mailer?

*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
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*--------------------------------*-------------------------------------*
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:14:19 EDT
From:         "Collins, Herman" <SYSHERM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Charlatans
Comments: cc: UK Systems Group <systems@ukcc.uky.edu>,
              "Lee, Robert" <sysbob@UKCC.uky.edu>

How many MAILER sites out there are using "allow-charlatans=FALSE" in
their MAILER PROFILEs?  We've traditionally done this for the small
amount of protection that it provides against forged mail.  However,
we've been seeing an increasing number of hosts that send out mail that
is rejected by our MAILER.  Usually the RSCS tag will say something
like "JDOE@UNIVM" while the mail headers will say something like
"jdoe@vm.uni.edu".  I have a canned letter that I send out suggesting
that they make their headers match, or run a mailer of some sort and
register it.  They almost invariably tell me that I'm the only one who
has complained and thet mail to everywhere else works just fine.

So, does anyone else do this?  I realize how insecure mail is; should I
just go ahead and accept anything from anybody?  Does anyone have any
other ideas?

                                    Herman Collins

128 McVey Hall                      Bitnet: SYSHERM@UKCC
University of Kentucky              Internet: sysherm@ukcc.uky.edu
Lexington, Ky.  40506-0045          Phone: 606-257-2256
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:35:55 -0500
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From:         MARTIN E HUGH-JONES <mehj2020@BONNET.VETMED.LSU.EDU>
Subject:      DATA TRANSFER
X-To:         uigis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I would greatly appreciate any help and advice on transfering/copying MSS image
data that I have on a number of eight inch 1.2 Mb ds/dd floppy disks in
C-Dos 2.2 format.

These images are fairly elderly but if I can recover them (Antigua, Belize,
and St.Lucia) they will still be useful in the classroom.

Any constructive comments will be gratefully received.

Thanks,

Martin Hugh-Jones
WHO CC
346-3335
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:54:13 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Problem with counters
Comments: To: "Nota Bene E-mail Group" <mamut!notabene@vm.tau.ac.il>
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A question on the use of counters in NB 3.1.

I am preparing an essay for printing in PostScript Palatino.  It will be
about 20 pages long.  I would like to use counters in section headers,
so, along with the other style deltas, I have included DC 1=1.1.1.1.
On screen all goes well.  The first C1 produces 1.  The first C2
produces 1.1. The second C2 produces 1.2. etc. etc.  The second C2
produces 2. etc.  BUT when I print a draft, the first C1 produces 2.
From the second C2 (which also produces 2.) all is well.  Here are my
deltas (substituting << and >> for command brackets):

<<PT121>><<RM65>><<PL58,60,54>><<TP4>><<AL1>><<TS4,8,12,16,24,32,48>>
<<OF11,9>><<SSNX,AL=1,PT=121>><<SSIX,IP=4,0,AL=1,LL=0.5>><<SSSX,LL=0.5>>
<<SSBX,IP=4,4,AL=1,PT=111>><<SSHX0,PT=141,FC,MD BO>><<SSHX1,FC,MD BR>>
<<SSHX2,FC,MD RV>><<SSHX3,FC>><<SSHX4,MD RV,IP=4>>
<<SSHX,IP=4,0,AL=1,LL=0.5>><<FS1<<IP>>____________________>>
<<FM1SC=0,IP=4,0,PT=101,AL=1,TS=4,8,RM=65,FT=1,BF=1>><<SF1>><<DC1=1.1.1.1.>>

This is a modification of the generic style.  Does anyone see what, if
anything is causing the C1 to begin with 2 when printing and not on screen?
Am I overlooking something incredibly simple?

P.S. If anyone wants to copy this style for PostScript, feel free.  It sets
up a nice looking page.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:01:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: letter to NBI
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I also think the letter is a good idea, perhaps someone in the good graces
of NBI should author the text?

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:22:49 BST
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From:         Neil Brooks <Brooks@EXETER.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Mavericks + a Postscript tip
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              Kerr" at Sep 3, 92 4:47 pm

Here at Exeter anyone who *doesn't* use NB is a Maverick!  (But I do not
know how long I/we can hold the line.)

Just to make this message not a total waste of bandwidth, here is a useful
trick for those using Postscript printers.  The following trick will
allow  "DRAFT" in BIG letters to appear beneath the text on a page.

Call the file PS-PORT.PRN to the screen (It is in the NB directory).
Move to the section starting PC:16 near the bottom of the file.
These paragraphs define what NB sends to a printer when it encounters
PC# deltas in your text.  They are defined in number sequence.
Move down to a blank line eg I will use the code PC8 so move to the 8th
paragraph.
Insert before the 8th paragraph marker the following. DO NOT USE AN ENTER KEY
AFTER THE WORD moveto! Just use a space.  The ) and ( at the start and end
are correct!

) s gsave 200 30 translate 65 rotate T 216 scalefont setfont 0 0 moveto
0.95 setgray (DRAFT) show grestore (

Save the file, reload the printer driver.
Place a PC8 delta in a Running Header to get draft on every page.

This one change to PS-PORT.PRN allows all of the Postscript Portrait drivers
to use this feature.  To enable it for landscape try editing PS-LAND.PRN but
I have not tested that orientation.
NB This works for NB 3.0/3.1  No guarauntee (sp?) about 4.0 !!
--
Neil Brooks, University of Exeter Computer Unit
Electronic mail: Brooks@uk.ac.exeter
Phone: (+44) 392 263946
Postal Address: Laver Building, North Park Road, Exeter EX4 4QE, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:07:46 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: File0000.chk
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

>From: "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
>>> b) if I had Colorado Memory Systems "TAPE Format" program running,
>>> than what could've been "open"?  Nothing, right, but for it?


>The TAPE program should not have left any lost clusters upon power
>loss, unless you were using it from a DOS shell rather than from the
>primary DOS environment (as you would, for example, if you had
>"exit"-ed from NB, or used the "dos" NB command to get a DOS command
>line).  If you were shelled from another program and the *other*
>program had files open in write mode that could be the source of the
>problem.

At the time I had nothing running but the CMS program (I didn't
even _know_ you could run it at the same time, in a non-multi-tasking
env.), running under 4dos.  Curious.

>One bad habit that many computer users get into is just turning the
>machine off when done, without regard to the current status of the
>file system.  Always quit all programs all the way back to DOS before
>turning off the machine or rebooting.  . . . .

True.  Many times it is much more satisfying to turn off the machine
in disgust, w/ an unfinished project in NB staring at you in the face
("take _that_"), and Ive done it often.  Will revise my aggressive
behavior (but what remains open in NB after all is saved and caches
are flushed?  The programs themselves won't simply be erased from RAM,
w/ no harm done to their disk setup)?

Paul also suggests that the chkdsk /f was picking up stray data from
previous sessions: undoubtedly, but 800K? I defragged about a week ago
and found nothing, so clearly something happened when the power was
pulled.

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu

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