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From: haas@commish.csid.gmeds.com (Jerry A. Haas)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.video
Subject: Which hand held TV to buy?
Keywords: suggestions/comments
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:04:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: EDS

Can anyone give me some suggestions/recommendations on what
small hand held TV is worth getting.    (Screen size 2.0-3.6 inch).
Thanks.

Jerry.

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From: psybc806@emory.edu (Elise G. Jacobs)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:22:47 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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Not to mention, that the vast majority of counterfeit money comes in
50's and 100's.    So i can understand your landlord's wishes to avoid
the cash scene.  


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From: rkaplan@netcom.com (Richard Kaplan)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:03:01 GMT

In article <BSIMON.93Jan8073109@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@stsci.edu
 (Bernie Simon) writes:

>hangup with double blind tests and alternative medcine is that some
>techniques, such as visualization and meditation can't be tested in a
>blinded test and that blinded tests are more expensive to perform and
>research money for alternative medicine is hard to come by.


Techniques such as visualization and meditation can
at least be tested with a single-blinded design, yet
such studies are rare.

A good deal of homeopathy, however, is perfectly amenable
to double-blinded investigation and yet few such
studies exist and even fewer good studies exist.

Given the relatively low cost of most homeopathic
preparations and the few (if any) diagnostic tests
required for homeopathic diagnosis, the cost to perform
a double-blinded study of a homeopathic preparation
should be quite small.  

How much money do you estimate, for example, it would
cost to perform a double blinded, randomized
study of, say, 100 patients presenting to a homeopath
with a cold?

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From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Juicers
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 01:41:20 GMT

>>Inexpensive blenders start at less than $20 and do a better job of
>>utilizing most fruits and vegetables.  And they don't promote the
>>wasting of their fiber.
>
>But "wasting" of the fiber is the point. Fiber is certainly 
>a very important part of the diet, but one doesn't want to
>have fiber when drinking juices. Vegetable juices have the
>most effect when the body isn't busy digesting something
>else, in particular, when the body isn't busy digesting the
>fiber that the vegetables naturally have.

I'm not sure I believe the claim that vegetable juices `have the most
effect' when consumed without their fiber.  I'd be interesting in hearing
about any evident or references to literature supporting it.

I can see how the effect might be quicker and that the drinker might get
more of a `rush', but unless you're doing heavy exercise for extended
periods (several hours or more) it seems completely unnecessary.  Slowing
the uptake of nutrients doesn't necessarily make them less effective.

Discarding the natural fiber, when people are trying to get more fiber
in their diets, seems like a mistake.

I think, who ever said; `you can sell *anything* with good marketing'
would probably see the recurrent juicer fads as a prime example of that
axiom.  (The guy that hawks them on those incessant info-mercials is
certainly a full-fledged charlatan, for all the absurd claims he makes.)

Just my opinions.

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Life Extension/another question
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:58:09 GMT

In article <RCLAYTON.93Jan6171322@quaver.urbana.mcd.mot.com> rclayton@urbana.mcd.mot.com writes:
>I saw a picture of them in a magazine recently. Yes, they are alive,
>approaching 50, and look pretty darn good too (although that may be due
>to genetics more than anything else).

You've got to be kidding: Durk 'n Sandy, the Addams Family of supplement
fiends, looking good?  I've only seen their pictures on their books;
maybe they've improved over the years, but their Lycra-suited bods
could have cracked mirrors back then.  I allowed that their internal
organs must have been in good shape, though.


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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:33:59 GMT

In article <1i7pffINNd7l@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov
(Scott Dorsey) writes:

>>No, you *do* have empirical evidence (by definition), you just don't have
>>bias from possible placebo effects removed.  And without a control group,
>>you wouldn't have bias from other factors removed, either.
>
>   You have evidence that is possibly invalid, and is therefore no evidence
>at all.

No, you have evidence that is possibly invalid.  Under certain
circumstances, this might be judged to be as useful as no evidence
at all.  Under other circumstances, it might not.

>As you have pointed out, a control group is essential (and something
>I just generally assumed as part of the double-blind methodology).

No, I didn't say it was essential, just that studies without them
would have more biases. :)

In situations without controls, you may still be able to remove some
bias by correlation with other studies or what have you, or take the
data under advisement as possibly invalid.

>>Yup.  Reductionism tends to create lots of little details to take care of.
>
>But without a reductionist approach, you'll never be able to clean those
>little details up.  And who knows?  Some of them may be crucial.

Oh, of course.  Somebody's got to do it. :)

Reductionism is okay -- my main objection to it comes when people take
action with incomplete data without acknowledging how incomplete it is.

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: ktester@tellabs.com (Kevin Tester)
Subject: Re: Juicers
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:49:09 GMT

I originally replied to the gentelmen who initiated this thread directly.  
In summary, I own a Champion juicer, but purchased an Acme centrifugal 
juicer for my father for Xmas.  If I was rolling in $, I would purchase one
as well for myself.  Although, I am reasonably pleased with my Champion, which
I've owned for 3 years, I find that the juice from the Acme to be better.
I've also read in three publications that the Acme and Olympic centrifugal
juicers are 15 - 30% more efficient in juice extraction.  The pulp actually
seems to be drier.  However, the Champion's advantages are its continuous
juicing capacity (the pulp is ejected) and its versatility (juices almost 
anything, homogenizes, makes nut butters etc.). Opinions are varied on this
and the best thing to do, is try one of each if possible.

The important thing I wanted to mention, is the name of a mail order place
that guarantees the lowest prices on any of its products.  Perfect Health
carries Champions, Acme, Olympic and some smaller varieties.  They are located
in Oxnard California, and their number is 805-382-2021.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:06:58 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan7.065328.21906@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.203417.16953@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>>An intermediate solution would be to administer blood tests to
>>adolescent girls, and administer the vaccine to those without evidence
>>of immunity.
>
>There is some interest in doing just that.

This I agree is the best option. Why give this vaccine to an infant when
it can be given more safely to a ten year old girl?

>>Rubella vaccine does have significant side effects associated with it
>>as well, including arthritis and central nervous system disorders.
>
>The incidence of its adverse reactions is extremely low.
>In addition, the side effects do not include "arthritis".
>Self-limited joint pain is not arthritis.

Perhaps you would like to contact Wellcomme and inform them that
arthritis is not a side affect of their MMR vaccine then Steve.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
From: anneb@tecsun1.tec.army.mil (Anne Brink)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:22:15 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center, Ft. Belvoir, VA.

kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:

>(Rubella immunization is actually not given to protect the children who
>get it, but rather to prevent the circulation of the disease, so that
>pregnant women won't contract it, since it can cause birth defects.  Some
>feel that it would be safer and more effective just to immunize
>susceptible women of child-bearing age.)

I, a "woman-of-childbearing-age," just was required to get an MMR booster about
a year ago.  They required me to sign in blood, swear on all my dead relatives
graves and a few other things that I would under no circumstances get pregnant
in the next x months. (3-6, I forget and it wasn't in the plans, anyway)  The
risk of birth defects due to the immunization was sufficient to have the health
clinic extremely nervous.  If these people's worries were justified, then it
might very well turn out to be much less safe. 

>Pete

					-A.
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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Cold and Flu treatment- questions
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:33:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Lynn Webb Writes;

>I've just started trying to participate in these
>internet discussions and my spelling is evidently a great problem -- I'm
>seriously dyslexic -- so if this is a problem to people here, I will bow out. 


This will only be an issue if you enter into a flame war with someone,
then spelling becomes an easy target!

BTW, Is it true that dyslexic agnostics don't believe in dogs?

(I thought this was 'cute', no one better be offended!)

B^)

Lynn, don't 'bow out' no matter who says what. Just don't post to
alt.correct.english!

Greg




Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: lwebb@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Lynn Webb [Auntie Lynn, to you])
Subject: Re: Pennyroyal?
Summary: growing, drying and using pennyroyal
Keywords: pennyroyal, precautions, herbal, infusion
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:52:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.180045.7163@pegasus.com>, richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
> Sorry, I wasn't paying attention ... what is pennyroyal supposed to
> be good for?
> 
> A friend just gave me a pennyroyal plant.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
-- 

It's a full sun plant, though I've heard one of the 2 major strains will
tolerate a little shade.  (The full sun plant is annual, the other is per.)

If you want to use it as an herb, you clip the flowers and leaves at full bloom
and hang them to dry.

Because it tends to make you perspire, it's used a lot for colds and flu, but
not for pregnant women.  This has a volitile oil that probably induces labor. 
As a result, it's occasionally used as for cyclical problems.  That's a real
last choice though.  There are many others that are much better and not
dangerous at all.

It's also sometimes used for digestion.

Pennyroyal's biggest advantage (or disadvantage) is that unlike many of the
herbs "with muscle" -- it has a really pleasant taste.  So always be
careful.  One of the most subtle advantages to herbals in general is that the
taste will often keep you from over using.  If that were universal, things would
be easy.  But it's neither universal or easy. 

But for cold and flu in non-pregnant adults, an infusion that includes this is 
a real +.  And it can help hide some of the others.

Lynn
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: rosen@ecf.toronto.edu (ROSEN Dan)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Keywords: meditation, blinding, not really homeopaty. 
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:11:09 GMT

In article <BSIMON.93Jan8131950@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>
>Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how you can blind a study of
>visualization or meditation. I suppose you can have an independent
>physician evaluate their condition. But I thought the purpose of
>blinding was to control for the placebo effect, which can't be
>contolled for when studying visualization or meditation.
>
You are indeed. For example, the AMA just published some studies in which they
show that some (most of the) claims of Trascendental meditation (reduced metabolism, heart rate, etc.) are quite bogus. People in controlled groups listening
to music achieved the same results. I'm quoting from memory, so I may not be very accurate. I think this was in the spring 1992 issue (+-1) of the Skeptical
Inquire. Just as a side issue, the AMA also had something to say (and clearly
not good) about the Ajur Veda products that the maharishi is profitably
marketing.
just some thoughts.

>--
>Bernie Simon (bsimon@stsci.edu) -- Looking for a 90's answer to a 60's question
>		

-Dan.

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:57:08 GMT

In <1993Jan7.065328.21906@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>So a girl who is immunized during childhood probably won't contract it
>>as a child, but may become susceptible again as an adult, and need a
>>revaccination anyway.

>This hasn't been shown to be a public health problem yet, though it is
>certainly a concern.  Robust immunity persists for at least 16 years
>after vaccination.

I wouldn't imagine it being a public health problem, but if we're going
to be re-immunizing adult women anyway, why immunize kids?

And isn't the immunity conferred by contracting the disease more effective
than that provided by immunization?

>>Rubella vaccine does have significant side effects associated with it
>>as well, including arthritis and central nervous system disorders.

>The incidence of its adverse reactions is extremely low.
>In addition, the side effects do not include "arthritis".
>Self-limited joint pain is not arthritis.

From Neustaedter's _Immunization Decision_:

  Side-effects of the rubella vaccine include encephalitis-type symptoms,
  meningitis, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome (muscle paralysis and sensory
  nerve deficits).  In addition, at least 12 to 20 percent of women develop
  arthritis symptoms after receiving the vaccine.  These may begin several
  weeks after the administration of vaccine (Fulginiti, 1976)[*].  They may
  persist for weeks, months, or years.  In some cases, women develop
  rheumatoid arthiritis which continues throughout their lives.

It's unfortunate he doesn't provide a reference for the statement about
rheumatoid arthiritis, but are you saying it isn't true?

* Fulginiti, V.A. "Controversies in current immunization policies and
  practices."  Current Problems in Pediatrics 1976; 6:6-16.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: rkaplan@netcom.com (Richard Kaplan)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:08:35 GMT

In article <BSIMON.93Jan8131950@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@stsci.edu
 (Bernie Simon) writes:

>Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how you can blind a study of
>visualization or meditation. I suppose you can have an independent
>physician evaluate their condition. But I thought the purpose of
>blinding was to control for the placebo effect, which can't be
>contolled for when studying visualization or meditation.

There are two purpuses for blinding in a double-blinded
study.  The patient is blinded to control for the placebo
effect.  The physician/observer/investigator is blinded
to control for observation bias.  Even if the former
cannot be controlled in a study of visualization or
meditation, the latter can be, as you mentioned, through
independent evaluation. 


>I posted a list of homeopathic clinical trials currently underway on
>sci.med earlier. I'm including them here to show that homeopaths are
>not anti-science and are trying to do controlled studies. However

I applaud these efforts and I sincerely hope their results
(positive or negative) are published in appropriate
peer reviewed journals.  However, until positive results
are obtained in this fashion I believe it is inappropriate
for these therapies to continue to be used in any setting
other than free-of-charge care to patients enrolled
in a research protocol.

>small the barriers to conducting controlled studies may seem to you,
>they are still formidable. 

Why is this so?  How much money do you think it would
cost to perform a randomized, double-blinded study of an inexpensive
homeopathic remedy for the common cold (or any other
disease you choose) on, say, a group of 100 patients?

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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Cause and effect (Was: Re: One promising cure for hair loss)
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:21:56 GMT

In article <37927@sophia.inria.fr>, chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra
SHEKHAR) writes:

>The author of the original paper bases his conclusion(s) on
>the fact that the percentage of Japanese men  who are bald
>or balding now is much greater than before the War. He ascribes this 
>to the fact that more animal products are now being eaten
>in Japan than before.

Correlating cause and effect is notoriously difficult.  In this case,
there are certainly many other variables that changed in Japan after
the War, not just the amount of animal products consumed.

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:04:48 GMT

greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:


>There are a list of things that should be avoided, coffee and camphor are
>two, and as a general rule, one should avoid drugs as much as is practical
>while using homeopathics, but you can't hurt yourself by discontinuing
				   ^^^^^
>medications that you depend on.

	Don't you mean "...you can hurt yourself..."?


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Solvet saeclum in favilla
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:02:15 GMT

bulwinkl@stein.u.washington.edu (In Cognito) writes:

>I haven't seen any discussion of Bach Flower Remedies yet
>in this newsgroup - perhaps from fear of the above-mentioned
>knee-jerk reactionaries!  ;-)

You drink flower juice?  Watch out!  The next thing you know you'll
be planting the things around your house and putting them in vases!
Oh, where will it all end!  (I had better include a smiley, no? ;-)

Actually, I have used the Bach remedies myself on occasion. I asked
an acquaintance, a German Heilpraktiker, why he didn't use them in
his practice. His reply was interesting. He felt that most people
nowadays are too insensitive to be treatable via remedies as subtle
as the BFR's. He said that homeopathic remedies were much stronger...

>I slept on a hide-a-bed over the holidays and developed nasty
>back spasms.

When this happens to me I simply visit my friendly neighborhood chiro-
practor for relief. You may want to consider this if you haven't already.

Good luck!

Mark Sandrock
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From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:40:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <BSIMON.93Jan5075220@elvis.stsci.edu>, bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
> However, its hard to imagine someone being so ignorant that they would
> tell someone with juvenile diabetes to stop taking insulin.

You underestimate the magnitude of human stupidity. We had a recent case in
this state, where two christian scientists were brought up on criminal
charges for the death of their child. The child had an obstructed bowel,
which is incredibly painful, and they relied on prayer to cure the child.

This lasted for over a week, and according to testimony at the trial, any
time up to a few hours before the child's death, he could have been saved
at any emergency room with surgical facilities.

The case received wide publicity due to the religious freedom aspects (does
the first ammendment guarantee the right to kill your child?). The parents
were convicted.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
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