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From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: My inner man
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:02:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.124220.28960@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|[A bunch of alternate terms for penetration, including...]
|	plonk (?! Maybe orc will like that one)

   "Plonk"?  Naaa, it's silly, but it doesn't have the same ring as
"shag".  I could think of certain _other_ sexual things that I could
use it an alternate term for, but not penetration.
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ "Miss Manners wouldn't approve"
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Feeling out of place
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:16:43 GMT

In article <memo.731853@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
[ A nice load of stuff about finding some positive queer identification
  made acceptance at the Blue Moon easier ]

I ran into a completely different sort of fish-out-of water feeling on
Monday when, for the first time, I went along to the regular University
LesBiGay meeting/social.  Not in the sense that being a bisexual man in
that company was odd (although the lack of a men's bisexual officer tends
to suggest some sort of problem in that area -- I don't have the time to
get that involved myself 8-( ), but the fact that just about everyone
else was an arts student of some kind, and heavily into student politics
as an end in itself.  I stayed around for the organisational part of the
meeting -- threw a few suggestions at a poster design and got co-opted 
as college rep -- but cleared off when things started to get entirely
social as I felt just so much on the outside.

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Women and I: An Explanation?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:00:14 GMT

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
:  mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
: >: >Say, T, would a willing volunteer help?  [Mike makes his cilium super,
: >: >hopefully to different effect from:]
: 
: [I (T) reply thus]
: >: Are you operating in English in those brackets? Or is this some nice new
: >: analogue to Valspeak and jive: retro-hippy?

[I (M) attempt to explain by pointing to the silly latinism]
[T responds ...]
: er, dear, I hold Latin at A level; it was the "hopefully to different effect
: from" which baffled me, as I expected some reference to hair or something
: later instead of retro-hippy opacity.

Ahhh.  For that, I'm afraid we need the original.  The colon made a
conjunction with my next quote, which if memory serves, was about you
getting supercilious, in the negative sense.  I was making my strip of
fur up-raised in a query, not a snoot; hence the "different effect".
OK, OK, so it was a bit tortuous.  I'm sorry.  I have a brain like a
rat's warren, or worse, like Inner London on a foggy day, without a map.

: Tanaqui, acting all peeved in order to extract extra hugs |-)

Oh no, I am undone!  My secret is out!  Someone has realised that "ask
and ye shall receive" applies!

OK, take one desultory hug for finding me out, which rapidly
transmogrifies into a hug of wild abandon and general friendliness.
Glad t'know you, T.  (or is "qui" a preferred abbrev?  Or do you just
hate both ... *grin*)

One more hug
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:17:00
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In-reply-to: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk's message of 5 Nov 92 12:42:04 GMT

In article <Bx8ty5.HoK@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>Yes, I'm selfish.  I was selfish when I sat in the mud and held a beaten
>>and bloody woman's head in my lap for an hour until the ambulance and
>>police showed up.  I never got the mud, grass, and blood stains out of
>>the white pants I was wearing at the time, but I did something to make
>>the world more like the place I want to live in.

>Well, I would have done the same thing for unselfish reasons (improving
>the life of the woman, not the world) but at least the result is the same.

Thus, you disconnect yourself from her, saying that what happens to her
doesn't really matter to you, personally, at all, but since you are such
a good person (or a person who wishes to be good) you will help her
anyway.  She mattered to me, personally, even though I did not know her
and never saw her again, because she *is* "my species," she is part of
my world, and I want *both* of us to be in a world where people help
each other and care about each other.  The altruistic worldview says
that it's better to do something for someone you *don't* care about, so
that it does not do anything for you personally.  I simply can't do
that.  I won't stop caring about other people personally, so that I can
be a "good" person by being altruistic, and I wish that other people
would not do this, either.

>>>I just view it as expressing my distaste at your moralistic-sounding
>>>disapproval
>>I have certainly not
>>been discussing the moral issues involved.

>I'm glad to hear it, that's certainly not how it sounded to me.

Well, generally when people discuss moral issues, they use words like
"moral," "right," and "wrong."  If someone says to me that buying a
lottery ticket is *stupid*, I do not think they are talking about
morals.  If, on the other hand, they say that gambling is "wrong," then
that is about morals.

You *do* seem to have been talking about how altruism is "right," so you
may have been talking about morals.  All I have been saying is that it
is destructive to people, which is not about morals.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:03:06 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>Thoreau (who we just finished with) seems to be a bit down on altruism:
>
>  He who gives himself entirely to his fellow-men appears to them
>  useless and selfish; but he who gives himself partially to them is
>  pronounced a benefactor and philanthropist.

Well, I'd rather be true to my principles than popular...

As a reading of the last few hundred articles in soc.bi will attest...


///jon
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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: rubbing things (was Re: two men)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:37:45
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In-reply-to: bethand@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 5 Nov 92 19:15:00 GMT

RIn article <27780@castle.ed.ac.uk> bethand@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
> Me, I'm just a backrub fetishist. Or face, hair, or anything else thats
> handy. I _love_ giving other people bodyrubs, just the closeness, the
> sensation of the other person's body. I mean, I hope _they_ enjoy it
> too :), but I definitely get much pleasure just from that physical
> contact....

*happy sigh*...yup.  There's really nothing like rubbing someone else.
When I'm around anyone I feel affectionate towards, it's literally hard
to keep my hands off them, rubbing and stroking whatever is available.
People just feel *so* good under my hands.

Headrubs, now those are great.  Running your fingers through (or over,
for short haircuts...*grin*) someone's hair while they melt...*shiver*

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:43:31 GMT

 gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> kraig@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kraig Count) writes:
>>Not all people who belive in tarot or astrology are new age 
>>fanatics.
>
>No, but they're still raving nutters whatever brand of lunacy
>they adhere to.

Bollocks. Gods, what a reasoned debate. Tarot and astrology are patterns -
just as valid or just as junky as any patterns you use to manipulate reality.
They're not scientifically exact, but then very little emotional or intangible
matters are quantifiable.

New age fanatics annoy me by being completely vaporous rather than by being
nutters per se. Nutters who can reason are my kind of people: random stupid
nutters whether Christians, Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives, Labourites
or New Agers are not.

Even bifolk aren't *necessarily* my kind of people. Fuck labels.

Tanaqui

"Truth strangely changes space/ By right of its reality"  _Cart and Cwidder_  
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:14:03 GMT

In article <Bx8o98.9E@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>I have this problem with the bi network generally; most of the people
>around are into some form of mysticism and the ones remaining are
>obnoxious anarcho-capitalists like Graham.  New Age is vanishingly rare;
>neopaganism is extremely thick on the ground; Christians have been
>known, C of E as well as Quakers.  I don't expect everyone to be as
>extreme a materialist as me since the conclusions you're forced to draw
>are found strange by a lot of people; I just worry that my friends
>sometimes sound as if they're entirely mad.

Na, Paul, not entirely mad; just inhabiting worlds with disjoint sets
of "truths".  So we may think you're slightly mad too; what of it? most
of the time there's a straightforward enough mapping between our various
comprehensions of the world that we can get along just fine.

And don't restrict it to bifolk, either; everyone - yes, everyone -
inhabits a world in which many of the "truths" wouldn't stand up to
a strong positivist critique.  Hell, man, you believe in Australia,
don't you?  And what's your evidence?  Hearsay and acceptance of
authority.  Now, I'll grant you that it's remarkably *convenient*
to believe in Australia; there's a large body of people who assert
that they've been there, have friends or family there, and so forth;
there are maps, photographs, artifacts, all purporting to be from
Australia.  But that's not proof.

(Joe: the use of "Australia" in the preceding paragraph was for
rhetorical use only.  I'm sure you exist, you little pattern of
phosphor on my screen, you...)

>I'd sooner a pagan astrologer over an anarcho-capitalist any day, though.

Why?  They're both "mad", aren't they?

>  __                                ____
>\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
>/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/

I still think your signature is crazy.  You're saying "I'm the boy
without a non-existent thing", no?  Surely we're *all* without all
non-existent things...

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sandra Bernhart
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov13.174339.14341
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov13.162719.1983@bradford.ac.uk> P.J.Caldicott@bradford.ac.uk (PJ CALDICOTT) writes:
>hansene@goose.cps.msu.edu (E.J.H.) writes:
>
>>Hey!
>>Did anyone see the story about Sandra Bernhart on NBC tuesday
>>night? I had to take a phone call so I missed part of it.
>>Did she come out or what? 

Ok, so was the Roseanne show the next night a convenient rerun?
Or what?

(It was the show where Sandra's character comes out to Jackie and
Roseanne as lesbian....  Very funny show--some excellent cracks by
Ms. Arnold's character....  Even though I didn't find S's character's
girlfriend _at_ _all_ appealing....)


Piglet, going all yummy at the thought.....of Ms.B., that is.....
        whose slogan was that "strong enough for a man, but...."?
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.233602.2774@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com 
(Elf Sternberg) writes:

[fascinating article on theraputic Tarot reading deleted]

>            Elf !!!  (rational romantic mystic cynical idealist)
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And he likes Rush, too!  Oh, this is really too much...

Steve
sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Punk Anarchocapitalist Net.Crush Victim
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Time (Was: Family Values (long))
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:05:31 GMT

>
>I do believe it was either the 400 or the 500 question test.  I haven't had
>the energy to do the 10000...
>
Or the time, it must take weeks.
>
>Animals?  But of course! (remember, technicalities count).  I'll not say
>more in a public forum.
>
;> I will show similar restraint.

>
>>Jim, (44%, even though I am a "virgin" to both sexes:)
>
>That's interesting.  Presumably fantastically varied masturbation and
>far too many drugs... but still, that's low for a virgin.  Or are you
>using the "technicalities count" clause?
>
>				Kay
I use anything which I have at my disposal.  (all puns intended)
Jim, happily floating along like a butterfly :>

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:22:30 GMT

Thanks for writing that, Albert!
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: My inner man
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:55:39 GMT

In article <s882916.721456368@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>  The only man I have in me is when I allow my male lovers entry to 
> myself (on a different but related subject. Does anyone know of a better
> word than penetration? I hate that word and am continually searching for
> another)

There are people in this world who like the term "enclosure", but I have to
say that this word does not appeal to me at all.  Of course, the radical
feminists will *bap* me over the head, but I think it's an ugly word.  Same
goes for "penetration" too, but there you go.

And this post has cost the net hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to
send.  All for me to bitch about a word. :)

 
--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:59:53 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Distribution: soc
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In article <1dgnl9INNrh5@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.030445.9227@ultb.isc.rit.edu> noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky "$120" hall) writes:

>>WARNING!!!    it has been my xperience that some to most of the Christians
>>	that i have argued with get all thier "Bible ammo" from the 
>>	New Testament and do not consider the old testament to be the TRUE
>>	word of God.

They think the OT is the real deal too, they just haven't read it.

>Well, the new testament NEVER mentions homosexuality.

The Gospels never mention it.  Paul goes on about it a bit.  Paul was a
nasty piece of work in more ways than one.
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ZWANG2@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Zhenqiang Wang)
Subject: Result of the Asia Soccer game
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:51:18 GMT

Any body know the result of the Asian Soccer Game?  If you know, could you pls
post it, or drop me a line?

Zhenqiang Wang.
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:57:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov9.225742.15759
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes

In article <1992Nov9.192631.28625@athena.cs.uga.edu> kraig@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kraig Count) writes:
[about being hit with the common stereotypes after coming out]
|However, as soon as I sat her down and
|started to tell her I knew that something was different about this
|talk.  *sigh*  Afterm I had come out to her she immediatly started to 
|tell me all of the stereotypes. (i.e. Its only a phase, You can't 
|be both Gay and Straight, and my least favorite "All You Really Need
|is a Good Woman and you will Forget this BULLSHIT").

   I've always liked this last stereotype.  It can be so
wonderfully bogus.  In my case, it fits in quite well with my
stress sensitive kinsey rating - recently, after spending some time
with a very nice woman indeed, I noticed my sexual orientation
tilting in a rather non-heterosexual direction indeed.  It would be
a wonderful way to confuse someone who tried to unload that
stereotype on you: "All you need is a Good Woman(tm)" "Yeah, but
whenever I fuck a Good Woman(tm), I then want to go out and do it
with a Good Man(tm) too!" (as certain readers of soc.bi can
probably testify about ;-)

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ "All this and character assassination too!"
                 \/
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:01:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <iw.721350958@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
->sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
->>In article <dbarber.721164647@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
->>there is the unjustified (but not neccessarily untrue) transformation of
->>"lack of acceptance" to "oppression."  But the point remains that it feels
->>uncomfortable to see someone suffering in the same way refusing to accept
->>that you are in the same situation.
->
->Why "unjustifed" ? 
->
->There is more to it than just feeling uncomfortable because people don't
->accept you.  Parts of the egay community actively discrminate against bi's.
->When I see a lesbian group that looks interesting, I often don't even
->bother to get involved because it is not worth the pain of the rejection,
->when they realise that I actually admit to being bisexual, as opposed 
->to being yet another lesbian that sleeps with men on the side.  

Iseult brings up an interesting point ... 

I have a bi friend in the midwest somewhere who has had quite a bit of
problems because the only local support groups for BDSMers were
gender-specific, and she was frowned upon in the (almost totally) lesbian
group, because she slept with men (worse than that, she _enjoyed_ it :) )...
eventually, she had to leave.  

I'll get flamed for this.  Too bad.

I suspect that the lesbian community will tend to discriminate against bi's
more than the gay (male) community.  At least, such has been the experience
I've noted, based on my (limited) involvement with the gay community, my gay
friends, and based on the experiences of female friends of mine in the
lesbian community ... 

Of course, it's possible I just haven't met the radical fags yet ... the
ones who would frown upon me wanting to make love to a woman ... all I've
seen so far are men who were "not interested" in the concept, and couldn't
care less whether or not I did it ... 

It _seems_ that gay men just don't have the "Eww, you sleep with the enemy"
type of reaction ... Probably because gay men _usually_ don't seem to
consider women as the enemy, whereas some lesbians, more than gay men, seem
to consider motos as the enemy.  Of course, considering lesbians as a
radical version of the 'average' bisexual woman, that seems to be a fairly
correct statement.

-roy
-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:22:55 GMT

In article <Bx8o98.9E@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>
>I have this problem with the bi network generally; most of the people
>around are into some form of mysticism and the ones remaining are
>obnoxious anarcho-capitalists like Graham.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HEY! :-(


>New Age is vanishingly rare;
>neopaganism is extremely thick on the ground; Christians have been
>known, C of E as well as Quakers.  I don't expect everyone to be as
>extreme a materialist as me 

Nobody's more extremely materialistic than an obnoxious anarcho-capitalist!
:-) :-) :-) :-)

>since the conclusions you're forced to draw
>are found strange by a lot of people; I just worry that my friends
>sometimes sound as if they're entirely mad.
>
>I'd sooner a pagan astrologer over an anarcho-capitalist any day, though.

What about a pagan astrologer anarcho-capitalist?

Steve Conley
"I am an obnoxious anarchocapitalist and I will liberate you for food!"
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