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From: dbatoog@Ingres.COM (Nick Danger - 3rd Eye)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Bay Area Blade Runner: Where??
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:00:18 GMT
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j12966@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Andrew M. Bates) writes:
: 
:     Could someone please please please PLEASE tell me in which Bay Area	theater
: or theaters Blade Runner will be playing this Friday, September 11th?  I've
: heard that it will be in Berkeley somewhere, but I don't know which theater.
: Also, does anyone knoe if it's playing anywhere in the San Jose area?  Please
: email me any info on theaters, because I'd like to get my tickets ASAP.  
: 
:     Thanks,
: 
: 	Andy Bates.

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It will be playing at the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland.

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From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Peter Pan meets Dinomonsters (Jurassic Park)
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:34:09 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jcwasik@srv.PacBell.COM (Joe Wasik) writes:

> I've seen so many comments about Jurassic Park.  None of the articles that
> I've read, comment on Steven Spielberg being the director.  This is a guy
> who's made nothing but kiddie movies the last many years.  His fear-inspiring
> skills as in Jaws and Poltergeist have long gone.  He'll take a good plot,
> an adult plot, and turn it into Peter Pan.  Is there any hope?
> 
> -- 
> Joe Wasik, Pacific Bell, San Ramon, CA (510)823-2422, jcwasik@pacbell.com
> "Be good -- go to church. Be good -- go to church. Be good -- go to church."
> 	-- Republican Economic Plan.

        Actually, yeah, there's hope; remember, he didn't direct Poltergeist, 
Tobe Hooper did. (The rumors that Hooper sat on his hands while Speilberg 
took over are unfounded, in spite of Hooper's poor track record otherwise.) 
And Speilberg just hasn't _made_ a horror film lately. But i think he's still 
capable of scaring the hell out of an audience. But what do I know? I'm one 
of the few people who thinks "Empire of the Sun" was a surprisingly mature 
film for Speilberg to make.


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From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner: What's the significance of Unicorns?
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:27:05 GMT

In article <14SEP199217244758@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao  
V. Akella) writes:
> I haven't read the book, so I have no idea what the Unicorns mean.  Could
> someone who knows PLEASE explain their significance in BR?  It's driving me
> CRAZY! :-)
> 

An article on Ridley Scott in the LA times said the Unicorn in the
dream harkens back to some unicorn emblem shown at the start of the movie
(in the Tyrell office?) and was intended to suggest that Harrison 
Ford's character might be a replicant himself. The director wanted
to leave that ambiguity (was he or wasn't he) in the viewers mind.

They said the money guys had him kill that in the first cut, because ambiguity  
does not make for happy audiences.

See last Sunday's LA time Magazine for a gig, long article on 
the making and remaking of BR.


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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:10:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Garner Halloran writes:

>And the end they announced that the director's cut would start September 11th.
>The major differences are (this is definite, not rumor):
                                                  
 >- none or almost no voice overs           
                                           
> - got rid of cheesy ending       
                                                  
> - added all of the unicorn scenes

What are the "unicorn scenes"?

>- and much of the music will be different since Vangelis could not finish
>   the score back then and had just finished it last week.

Last week!?! Can you say procrastination? He's had over a decade to
do it!!!!   Geesh!!


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
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From: Eduard.Marghidan@f836.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Eduard Marghidan)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:01:00 -0800

 -=> Quoting gilbert.m.stewart to All <=-

 >Are we so cut off from the past that
 >nothing in the past is relevant? Perhaps you should consider the
 >possibility of NOT knowing about the past as a road towards a new
 >civilization?

 gi> Doesn't seem to be what was said.  After all, there's a difference
 gi> between ignoring history and admitting that recorded history cannot be
 gi> expected to be anywhere near 100% accurate or complete.  Heck,
 gi> information passed between any three people in a week gets screwed up
 gi> and filtered.  Today's news is often sketchy and incomplete and
 gi> frequently "objective" reports are colored by the reporter and the
 gi> currently-fashionable way to get ratings.

Oh, you're appealing to subjective interpretation here. I guess the
value of news is in its raw information content and not in its bias.
All I am saying is that we're making idols out of people who reacted
to their own situation differently than we do today.

 >Why do you say that Malcolm X can't be a modern "extension" or metaphor
 >of fighter for human rights? 

 gi> Doesn't sound like that's what was said.  Was it?

Malcolm X had a message and a vision that was ahead of his times. The
point is that we're not so much beyond those times, and that we can't
afford to ignore him still.

 > MH> best, but it is all we have.  To say that the indian account is
 > MH> more correct than the european account is equally flawed.  
 >
 >So what if indians had sacrifices? They had never fought wars. They had

 gi> They had never fought wars?  Could you clarify this?

Yes, the aztecs had never fought a war, as far as I know. They were
basically a peaceful culture who sacrificed a few people every season,
but never killed one another for any conventional reason. That rhymes...

 >never used fire weapons. Of course, the disease destroyed them...

 gi> Fire weapons are a question of level of technology.  I'm not sure
 gi> if this is relevant to your point.  Could you clarify this as well?

Again, the point is the brute force used by the Spaniards was the only
reason they were the conquerors. They didn't try to reason with the
Indians, and find out what the Indian thoughts were really like.


 gi> I was a bank guard for several years.  It's really not that great.
 gi> Particularly if you're with a partner who practices quick-draws in the
 gi> mirror with a loaded weapon.

I'm glad you're not one anymore. A friend of a friend who was a security
guard got shot last year and was paralyzed for life. Guns should be
outlawed except for people who use them lawfully.
Eduard

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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Movies/Actors/Actresses lists ftp site?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:01:22 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences


   Are these files available at an ftp site somewhere?
I would like to find them for a project I'm working on.

Thanks in advance.

RC Carman

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From: wells@cdsmn.mn.org (Rich Wells)
Subject: Re: Call 555-ACME : -)
Organization: Dicomed, Inc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:39:18 GMT

jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen) writes:
:  could someone clue me in, what's the story behind 555 phone numbers and
: the Acme Corporation. Registered trademarks of Hollywood? :-) They're
: everywhere!

The story I heard is that 555 is an exchange set aside by AT&T for
use in movies, tv shows, books, etc., anywhere a fake phone number is
needed.

According to the dictionary, acme means "the highest point".  How it
came to be used for anonymous companies in movies and cartoons I have
no idea.  There are, however, real companies with that name.  I used
to pass by the Acme Tag Company on the way to work every day.  And
I never saw Wile E. Coyote making a purchase there.
-- 

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Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:26925 rec.nude:4289
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:31:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Sep4.212305.6485@jade.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>In article <v9ln1zn@lynx.unm.edu> haro@carina.unm.edu (    KANEDA) writes:
>>I'M ALL FOR IT!!!! :)
>
>	Not me.  I mean, the seats are too small, and the floor is already
>sticky.

That's why God gave us Drive-ins.


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From: jcwasik@srv.PacBell.COM (Joe Wasik)
Subject: Re: Peter Pan meets Dinomonsters (Jurassic Park)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:13:48 GMT

In article mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes:
>>I've seen so many comments about Jurassic Park.  None of the articles that
>>I've read, comment on Steven Spielberg being the director.  This is a guy
>>who's made nothing but kiddie movies the last many years.  His fear-inspiring
>>skills as in Jaws and Poltergeist have long gone.  He'll take a good plot,
>>an adult plot, and turn it into Peter Pan.  Is there any hope?
>
>In my opinion I think Steven Spielberg will do a great job.  I've
>enjoyed most of his films but he is skilled in suspense look at 
>Jaws and the Indiana Jones films. 

Of course Jaws was great and so was Indiana Jones Pt1.  But those were from
a long time ago.  Look at Indiana Jones pts 2&3.  This childhood slide
began right about there.

-- 
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From: angelo@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Angelo Wentzler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:27:33 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

How about "Dinner for one?"
This has only two actors: one old lady and her butler.
I believe it is a tv-film, though...

Angelo
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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner: What's the significance of Unicorns?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:10:04 GMT

muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman) writes:

>In <14SEP199217244758@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella) writes:


>	2) Gantt knew that Deckard dreamt of a unicorn.
>		(ie Deckard was a replicant)

I've seen the movie three times but have not read the book--what exactly is
the connection between the unicorn and being a replicant? Or is the main
idea the fact that Gantt knew of Deckard's dream?
From: jameskau@aludra.usc.edu (James Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: whatever-happened-to endings
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:31:15 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <BuFq66.A2I@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>I am interested in what films end the way American Graffiti ended, that
>is, where they quickly mention whatever happened to each character. The
>other ones I can think of are The Commitments, and the French Connection.
>And Animal House.
>Which other films end this way?
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California

A Fish Called Wanda
Fast Times at Ridgemont High


One movie that should have had a whatever-happened-to ending but didn't
was The World According to Garp.  The book told what happened to all the
characters, but they cut it out of the movie.....

James Kaufman
jameskau@aludra.usc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: wcr@unislc.uucp (William Rankin)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner: What's the significance of Unicorns?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:57:16 GMT

From article <1992Sep15.003630.25349@wam.umd.edu>, by dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge):
> In article <14SEP199217244758@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu writes:
>>I haven't read the book, so I have no idea what the Unicorns mean.  Could
>>someone who knows PLEASE explain their significance in BR?  It's driving me
>>CRAZY! :-)
> 
> I don't think the unicorns are in the book, but rather something that was
> done specifically for the film.
> 
> In any case the origami unicorn at the end supposedly shows that Gaff
> knows about Deckard's dream, hence Deckard is a replicant. What the
> unicorns may or may not represent symbolically (freedom?) I don't know.
> 
>                                          -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu

I can and do dream about Unicorns. That doesn't make me a replicant.
If I rember seeing one, though that's a different story (I'm crazy!)
Now, if he didn't tell Gaff about his unicorn dreams, then maybe he
is or this is just a coinsidence (but not in this movie).
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Is Werner Herzog's 1979 "Nosferatu" available?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:30:02 GMT

bodarky@cme.nist.gov  writes:
> 
> This film is impossible to find. I know of one copy a local
> cinemaphile shop has for rent, but it's apparently dubbed; I don't
> watch dubbed movies, so that won't do.  I've heard that there are
> legal matters that are responsible for its scarcity.  Was it ever
> available?

I own a copy of it that I bought from Mondo Video for $20.
It's fairly good quality for a bootleg copy I guess.  That's
the only way you're going to get your hands on it more than
likely.  I don't think it's dubbed, I think it was actually
filmed in english.  Never seems to have that "dubbed" quality,
anyway.  
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: rsemenof@ee.ubc.ca (SEMENOFF ROBERT)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:36:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.180743.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <sbarnhar-040992151951@morril6t-10.micro.umn.edu>, 
>sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart) writes:

>I'm so sick of being called a simp and a pretentious idiot because my friends
>and I enjoyed Barton Fink/Naked Lunch/Wild At Heart/Prospero's Books/etc.

What about making rec.arts.movies into two newsgroups ?
(Has this been discussed before?)

My killfile for this newsgroup is HUGE, and I still pick up
a high volume from threads on blockbusters and other junky movies.
Obviously there's a continuous range of tastes, but there seems
to be a distinct division between the 'art' films goers and
the Hollywood movie fans.

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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (long essay on EYES)
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:13:52 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
> if replicant eyes glowed and
> human eyes didn't, what do you need the Voight-Kampf test for?

steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:
> the questions are designed to elicit an "unconscious" or
> preprogrammed response unique to replicants
> glowing.

According to Holden at his interview with Leon, and according to Tyrell when
he walks in to the movie for the first time, the questions are supposed to
evoke an emotional response.  The VK test measures dilations of the pupil
and blush response.  In the P. K. Dick novel (and also from thinking about
the movie), the questions are supposed to elicit empathy for animal
suffering.  That's why there are so many questions relating to animals.

You'll also notice that there's an emphasis in the movie on the preciousness
of "real" animals.  The owl in Tyrell's penthouse is fake.  Zhora's snake is
fake.  "If I could afford a real snake, do you think I'd be working here?"

Going back to the question of "why do eyes glow?"  The obvious question is,
"why eyes?  Why not hands or twitches of the mouth.  Well, Ridley Scott puts
a lot of emphasis on the eys, not just for glowing replicant eyes.  It's a
unifying theme throughout the movie.

Deckard's eye fills the entire screen at the start of the movie.  Leon and
Roy visit the eye factory.  The VK test looks at the eyes.  Roy plays with
glass eyeballs when talking to Sebastian.  Tyrell is killed by poking out
his eyes.

The last one is important.  Eyes aren't just prevalent.  They're
symbolically equivalent to life.  If you have fake eyes, then you are a fake
human.  If you lose your eyes, then you die.  Roy's death speech emphasizes
that what he saw through his eyes will be gone when he dies.

(from memory - don't post stupid followups to correct them)
"If you could see what I've seen with my eyes." - Roy talking to Sebastian
at the eye factory

"I've seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I've seen sea
beams glitter under the Tennhauser gates.  All these memories will be lost,
like tears in rain."  - Roy's death speech

The loss of sight is the loss of life.

This also means a lot to a moviemaker like Ridley Scott whose main outlet of
creativity and livelihood is through the visual medium.  In fact, Ridley
Scott is noted above all else for the lush scenary and visual feasts of his
movies.

So it ain't just nifty glowing movie effects.  It's much more important than
that.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.nude,alt.sex
From: buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick)
Subject: Sex and Fun
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:57:06 GMT

In article <18r8tqINN8fm@smurf.smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
>In alt.sex, article <aldavi01.716186205@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>,
>  aldavi01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis) writes:
>> quenelle@netcom.com (Chris Quenelle) writes:

>> Agreed.  Most sex scenes bore the hell out of me.  They're so
>> predictable, so scripted (no pun intended), and most of the time
>> are used to show off some actress' body, rather than be a part of
>> a coherent movie.
>> 
>And if/when the sex or just plain nudity is actually part of a reasonable
>plot, you don't see the actress in question. You see a body double.  :-(
>
>> Agreed!  Like, for example, a *well-done* scene about someone's first
>> time: Perhaps for the virgin it's not so great eh?, or embarrassing,
>> or just plain funny??
>> 
>You can't have fun and sex. That would actually lessen people's hangups about
>sex instead of confirming them. NFW.  (No Fucking Way.)

Oh.. goodness, is *that* what I'm doing wrong..... :-)

Patrick
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: I think Alien^3 has been flogged to death.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:09:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223655.2541@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.200416.29032@u.washington.edu>, daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:
>> 
>> In article <Bu71wq.Lpv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>> >
>> >     I've noticed that this newsgroup tends to flog a dead horse until
>> >     all you've got left are bones and hair.  
>> >
>> >        re: Alien^3
>> >        ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
>> >
>> >        Let's not make this another Terminator2, shall we?
>> 
>> Sir, as I see it you have three options:
[....]
>I hope I don't offend anyone, but I'm genuinely curious: why do a large number
>of posts on any one topic offend people?  I finally had to ask, because there
>is a recurring pattern: people start talking about a movie, it generates one
>or more long threads, other people complain, the complainers are then told to
>use a killfile or unsubscribe.  All this makes me wonder:
>
>1) No one ever answers the question, "why not learn to use a Kill file."  So

NOT ANOTHER POST ABOUT LONG THREADS AND KILLFILES!

You're being sensible again, Kevvy.  How are you ever going fit in
around here?

GMS
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From: sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard)
Subject: Anthony Perkins: Aids: Died yesterday.
Keywords: aids,physcho
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:48:10 GMT

 just got confirmation from good old CNN.  Anthony Perkins has dies from
 complications resulting from AIDS.

 This is the first occurance of a famous person contracting the disease
 and having it run it's course and the media NOT making a show of it.


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From: shinji@hpjsdo.kobe.hp.com (Shinji Teragaito)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:14:20 GMT
Subject: Re: GOOD Horror (was Re: TREMORS)
Organization: APPO/Japan Solution Development Operation,Kobe