From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Keywords: asian american, media, WHINING!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.213830.3854@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>On the other hand, if Mr. Park refers to East-Asian nations, then he
>can't possibly be serious.  China and Korea had really lousy military
>forces in the first half of this century.  Without American help (which
>was repaid by Chinese-cu and Korean-cu troops killing American boys),
And America didnt exist 500 years ago!
You're using the same argument you accuse people of using wher comparing
some point in time in China with the U.S.  

You also, seem to forget that the Korean war was a result of political
difference. Communism vs capitolism. and the fact that south Korea was
on the U.S. (correction) U.N. side.


>Japan would probably have retained much of China and all of Korea well
>into the 21st century and beyond.
Gee, I dont think the U.S. would have ALLOWED that.
You might as well add Taiwan to that list.

>I do agree that Japan had a lethal military force, but it was
>the only East-Asian nation who had one.  It should also be noted that
First for Korea ,its a little hard to develop a strong military when you're
under the yoke of colonism by the Japanese.
Second, China being in a virtual state of civil war, and having been
a victim of foreign exploitation for that surrounding century, is unlikely
to develop such military power either.
You seem to have neglected a fact, that the Japanese at that time developed
a strong military due to the Meiji restoration, after what they saw happened
to China due to foreign powers and was forced to open its doors to the
western powers.

>Japan was also the only East-Asian nation who modernized and who was willing
>to learn from the West.  Contrast this intelligent approach to the
>ostrich-head-in-the-sand approach used by the Chinese-cu racists.
Hmm, like the xenophobic isolationist policies of the Tokugawa shogunate?
Gee, it was even illiegal to leave Japan, never mind come into Japan, hey
not unless you had Commadore Perry and a load of gunboats to back you up.

>>, and we were better prepared to come here.
That is a debatable statement, but may have validity depending on
which groiup of Asians and when they came.

>Bull.
Oh, you're a Chicago fan, I see!

>Does Mr. Park mean to tell me that Chinese-ge immigrants at the turn of the
>century were better prepared to come here than, say, Mexican, immigrants?
Actually, parts of Cali, New MEXICO, Texas. Already had a lot of people
of hispanic (mexican) origin.  It was the U.S. which annexed those areas,
and hence they were more the immigrants.  REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

>Ask this question:  "America at the time was openly hostile to non-Whites.
>Why did Chinese-ge, by the thousands, fled to the USA?  Why did millions
>more want to come?"  Answer:  "The Chinese-cu upper class had raped the
>nation, leaving millions uneducated and dying of starvation, disease, and
>infanticide."  So, it is utterly ridiculous to say that type #2 immigrants
>were "better prepared to come here."
Here's a bonus question! WHY did Irish and Scotish immigrants come to
america in the first place? Couldnt be because they felt oppressed by the
English (british), would it. Or the $10^6 question, why did Russian immigrants
come to America in the first place.  It sure couldnt have been they felt
oppressed by the Russian upperclass, Czarist regime!  
Get with the game, the RICH have ALWAYS screwed the POOR, in all cultures.

><Neil Diamond's "... coming to America, on the boats and on the planes, ...">
>Saying that is belittling their struggles and accomplishments.  But I

>will say that many of the type #2 immigrants were sexist and narrow-minded
>jerks (in reference to "A Thousand Pieces of Gold"); they bought and sold
>Chinese-ge women, literally.  These women were forced to stripped naked
>so that the Chinese-ge jerks could assess their "equipment" and than offer
>a suitable price for the merchandise.  This was indeed slavery, and 
>regrettably, the American gov't did nothing to stop it.  (After the
>scene in "A Thousand Pieces of Gold", where a Chinese-ge woman was told
>in Cantonese to strip naked by the "product manager" for the Chinese-ge
>"customer" in San Francisco, I changed the TV channel.  It was too painful
>to watch.  Such baboons.  Such incredible baboons!)
HAHAHAHA! You had better separate fact with Historical fiction.
Ha, I better catch the latest Harold Robins mini series to get the
load down on America. Hahahaah! Oh god this one takes the cake.
You should quit your day job and become a comedian, man!

>On the other hand, Mr. Park's comments do apply to type #1 "immigrants"
>(quotes intended).  These guys largely came from the Chinese-cu upperclass
>or were descended from the upperclass that raped the Chinese-cu underclass
>blind.  These bozos were, in fact, "better prepared to come here" than other
>immigrants.
I have relative in both of your #1 and #2 catagory. I dont think the #2
group resented the #2 group.  The parents of those #1 group wouldnt have
came to America to join their families a lot sooner if they had been 
allowed to!  

>>(Africans were snatched out of their homes, and separated from their families 
>>and their culture.)
>(Like the way the Chinese-cu upper class raped the Chinese-cu lower class?)
Serfdom is a different the Slavery.       ^^^^^? the correct word is exploited
Unless you're implying the that the upper class sexually assaulted the lower
class.

>>I'm not indicting caucasians.  This is probably human nature everywhere.
>That's good to hear.  For a minute, Mr. Park really started to sound
>Chinese-cu.
Oh and we dont that now do we! HAHAHA!

>>[stupid whining deleted]
Ya, like you always wine about Chinese culture.

RT
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