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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Triple Finals
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:22:13 GMT

curtis@sporty.col.oh.us (Curtis Hunter) writes:

>  Does anyone remember about what time triple finals are over Sat night
>of World Championships?  I need to plan something afterward in Dayton and
>need to know an approx time.  Thanks.

Normally around midnight.  Things might be slightly different this year
though.  If they have 15, 15 and 15 things will run a little longer.
They also might have three retreats which take time.  I really wouldn't
plan on starting anything else until ~1:00 am if you have friends you
want to see.

We always hit the sack ASAP Saturday night to make up for the lack of
sleep the two days before!!  Man, in 1991 they started prelims at 5:30am 
Friday and 7:00am or so Saturday.  We didn't get *into* Dayton until
about 3:00am Friday and ended up getting about 6 hours sleep until
Saturday night.

Which brings up a good point, are we going to try to get together at WGI
this year?  I still vote for a quick dinner between A finals and the
triple finals, although this year we may not have enough time.  

Maybe before or after the big show Sunday.

Later,
Bob

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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: If someone were to ask you...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:36:35 GMT

scottm@helena.stat.uga.edu (scott mclure) writes:

>When people ask me what drum corps is, I tell them its semi-professional
>marching band, only more like competitive sports than halftime shows.
>They generally get the idea, and some of them even want to know more.  I
>try showing them the 1990 Cadets show, which usually captivates them.
>I've never had anyone tell me it was anything less than interesting.

I may regret asking, but why this show?

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From: scottm@helena.stat.uga.edu (scott mclure)
Subject: Re: Woodwinds (was Re: Cadets cymbal line)
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:20:07 GMT

That's the other thing I forgot.  It IS impossible for woodwinds to
perform in wet weather without ruining pads.  I missed an entire high
school football game because it was raining.  Never even went to the
stadium.  As often as shows are called off on account of rain now, you
add woodwinds and they will more than double.  It's just impracticle to
try adding woodwinds to corps already on limited budgets.
	Oh, and about the numbers thing... you could keep 64 horns and
make half of them w.w., but then you couldn't hear anybody.  It just
won't work.

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Woodwinds in Drum and Bugle Corps
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:23:40 GMT

afo@hpwarht.wal.hp.com (Aaron Oppenheimer) writes:

>And furthermore, I wish DCI *would* cancel shows when it rained. It's 
>unpleasant for the corps, it's unpleasant for whatever fans stick 
>around. 

I don't know about this, I always got a *severe* kick out of performing
in the rain.  I've always thought that a corps sounds better in the
rain, and when I was growing up, performing in the rain was a
big distinction between my corps and my HS band.


>With today's drills, it can be dangerous. 

This is a valid point.  Maybe cleats of some kind would provide a
solution?

>We are denying the *corps* the opportunity to add a new, interesting 
>dimension to their music. And therefore, we are denying the fans the 
>opportunity to hear what a drum corps could do with woodwinds.

But where do you draw the line?  Think what drum corps could do with
recorded music?  How about electronic effects on the instruments?  How
about fireworks?  There are lots of avenues for creativity, and
naysayers have been proclaiming the death of drum corps on most of the
avenues that *have been* allowed.  (Vocalizing on the field, no stop time
rule, recent boundary regulations, etc.)

The activity will survive the addition of woodwinds, but a lot of people
(myself included) feel that we would be losing a little more of our
identity with this addition.

Later,
Bob

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From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Woodwinds (was Re: Cadets cymbal line)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:15:18 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

> ...talk of adding woodwinds to drumcorps...

God I hope not.  As a visual instructor I dread...

   OK... do this horn move.
   What?  Ok. Ummm... saxes do this instead.
   What?  Well can't you undo the strap?
   What?  Ok. Then do it with your left hand instead.
   What?  Ok. Trombones. Umm.  ok. everone do just this instead ok?
   What?  Sousaphones do whatever you want.  I don't care.
   Flutes & claranets.... pretend you have a real horn and 
      tilt your whole body or something.
   Ok... that looks stupid.  No horn move.  Take the horn move out.
   What?  The trombones can't do which pass-through?
       Just lift it over his head.  Or turn or something.
   

The best thing about drum corps is all the horns LOOK the same.
(contra's are a little too big... but... you can't have everything)

:)

On a serious note... I think making no restrictions on what goes in
the pit might be interesting... except electronics for the logistic
reasons already mentioned.

This year Boston had an I beam from a building site and a couple 
steps from a sprial staircase in the pit.  Previous years have seen
a car break drum, a random hunk of metal, several street signs, and
an illegal synthasizer (sp? I never could spell).

Any other stories of odd things played in the pit or on the field
for that matter?

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From: sdensfor@wvus.org (Steve Densford)
Subject: Re: First BD show 86
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:48:57 GMT

In article <1k815fINNh5e@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> troot@cats.ucsc.edu (Timothy H Root) writes:

>                                       SCV did win the first show in 86
>I forget by how much.

I can't remember either, but I do remember that SCV took only the first
show from you guys that year.  It was no surprise to me that it was all
they took . . . you guys were outrageous (however, I liked the '88 show
better . . . didn't care as much for '87).

>                One of my freinds from BD marched 86 skipped 87 then marched
>88.  He won every show except his first and his last.  (Last two actually
>but they didn't tell us the scores till finals so who's counting?)
>
>I've been reading here for a couple of weeks now.  I'd be really interested
>to find out more about the people who post here.  Where/when did/do you march?
>	

I marched VK in '86 (the James Bond show).  We competed almost every place
you did that year.  I was also an upper lead soprano (I only marched 1
year).  I was one of the soloists in the ever-so-small solo near the middle
of the show.  The one in the center, if you have the tape.  One of the other
guys marched with you in the following year.  You should know him.  His name
is Paul (can't remember his last name).  Played upper lead with you starting
in '87.  I'd like to get in touch with the ol' gang again someday.

I remember your bebop thing in '88.  Thought it was a nice touch to the
show.  I'll have to check out the tapes again.

Steve Densford (sdensfor@wvus.org)
(VK '86)


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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: woodwinds, cymbals, and predictions
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:04:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


My $.02 worth:

--- I'm sad to see the loss of cymbal lines.  They add quite a visual flair
    that will be missed.  I especially can't believe that we won't get to see
    SCV's terrifically entertaining cymbal line anymore.  Or what about the BD
    cymbal lines in 1986-1988 that managed to garner applause during the drum
    feature each year for hitting each others cymbals (too bad that never made
    it onto the video).

--- I don't agree that the activity needs to add woodwinds/synths/etc to keep
    from stagnating.  There are SO many genres of music that remain unexplored
    by corps.  For example:  Mozart, Brahms symphonies, Afro-pop, improvisation,
    Rap/hiphop, folk music, Bulgarian (tons of odd times).  In jazz, Dizzy
    Gillespie, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Coltrane, Herbie Hancock have barely
    been attempted.  I cannot believe that corps have run out of material when
    nobody's even tried a Mozart show yet.

And finally, my prediction (which is probably worth less than $.02):

1.   Blue Devils    - all they need is a drumline
2.   Star           - too much talent to place any lower
3.   Cavaliers      - ditto
4.   Santa Clara    - won't make the same mistakes again
5.   Phantom        - image change will help, just like it did in 87
6.   Cadets         - didn't think they should've placed so high last year
7.   Crossmen       - have the power, lack the nuance; hurts with new-age.
8.   Blue Knights   - have the nuance, lack the power; hurts with Startrek.
9.   Scouts         - i'll love their show, but it'll be a disaster score-wise.
10.  Bluecoats      - Diz tribute is right up their alley.
11.  VK             - could place higher, but I wish they'd do Beach Boys!
12.  Freelancers    - less pretentious show will help them a lot this year

13.  Spirit         - reports of staff improvements may help a lot
14.  Boston         - style change leaves them nondescript, can hurt membership.
15.  Glassmen       - my opinion - they still have a ways to go
16.  Troopers       - maybe a bit of wishful thinking, but inaug could help.
17.  Marauders      - Probably 16th or 15th, but style change is always risky.

Sky Ryders is slipping since their move.
Dutch Boy's brass really slipped last year, and that was their strong point.
Southwind could break top-17, but without rumor reports it's hard to say.
Colts have a great organization but need help with show design.
Magic needs to reduce the clutter and establish a simpler image.
Black Gold had a weak show concept last year and they're repeating it.  They
  could slip further.

                                                    Scott

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Subject: Re: objective as possible
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 15:18:18 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1993Jan23.150921.6754@desire.wright.edu>, byork@desire.wright.edu
says:
>
>   9) Blue Knights: They are not going to make top-5 for some time if they
>continue to bore us with their music and their "bought" arrangement staff.
>They
>need to develop their own interests and come up with their own arrangers. They
>alos have too many people "carrying horns".

What do you mean, "bought" arrangement staff?  Ralph Hardimon, the top drum
guru in drum corps is their full-time percussion caption head and arranger.
He doesn't just drop-in a couple of times during the season to check in on
them.  One listen to their drum line (especially in comparison to BK's lines
from 1989 and 1990) should clue you in as to Ralph's influence on the
program.

Mike
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Man and His Horn
Keywords: [distribution usa, muddahfuggahs!]
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:03:21 GMT

In article <1jlbgnINN8oo@charon.usc.edu> strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler) writes:
>I just saw the President of the United States playing funky sax -
>and playing it well - on the tube.  
>
>He's one of us, folks.   Finally...
>



I sure hope he is a better president than a musician.  Stick with your day
job Bill (for only 4 years, of course).


Rob

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From: Charles.Olivarez%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Charles Olivarez)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:09:31 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: Re: Ken Dye
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Reply-To: Charles.Olivarez%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Charles Olivarez)
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In message <15640@cis.rand.org> dated 19 Jan 93 19:44:25 GMT
Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler) writes:

> Ok, everyone, I didn't *really* think we could get Ken Dye back at USC.
> Why would he want to leave a place where he's doing a good job and the
> band and alumni still like him?  It was just wishful thinking.  But
> if he really does start having his arrangements distributed, I'm gonna
> buy a bunch and mail them to the USC Band's current bozo-in-charge.
> No, better yet, I'll mail them to Tony Fox, the USC arranger (when he
> has time, which doesn't appear to be too much lately).

Are you sure Darth Bartner will know what to do with NEW music??  

> 
> And no, Rich, we don't want Gordon Henderson, either.  :-)
> 
Well, you can't fault a guy for trying!!!  (To get rid of Gordie that is.)

Charles Olivarez
UCLA Band 1985-'91
From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Bohemian Rhapsody
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:22:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Well, U.C.D. doesn't have an arrangement of B.R.  Also, you could have used the
extra song at Picnic Day.  Maybe then you wouldn't have been beaten by us! :-)
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From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:26:53 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Recently, the Cal-Aggie Marching Band-uh! has gone thru some ruf times. due
to the fact that one of our former members accused the band of sexual 
harassement and we got into a who lot of trouble.  Now, the buttons on our 
informal hats have to be approved, all our cheers have to be approved. and 
everyone is being very anal retentive.  Sucks, don't it?


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From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Keywords: Cal Aggie Band-Uh
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:54:09 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <1jmqi7$hiq@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>
>
>How about someone from the U.C. Davis Band recounting the
>story of what happened to you guys last year.
>
>I'm sure much of the readership is unaware of the atrocities 
>committed in the name of PC against the Cal Aggie Band-Uh.

Sure.  However, this is in no way official or anything.  This is how I, an 
individual person, remember what happened.
 
One night at a game, a girl showed up, Julie Graham.  She had lost her folder
and needed another one and hadn't been to band in about, oh, a long while.  So
the Student Director started getting on her case.  During the fight he called
her a "fucking cunt".  She was really upset and wrote a letter to the 
administration.  The next thing I know, we're being accused of being a 
bunh of sexist, homophobic, etc....In other words, the P.C. Posse was all over
us.  We were put on probation without a hearing, and an investigation was begun
(which later cleared us).  Meanwhile our constitution was supended and we had
to bow and scrape to the administration.  We were prostested at parades.  Life
sucked.  Things were pretty cool this year.  We are now off of probation.  We
got our hats back (they were taken away becuase of the initation ceremony 
involving them), but our buttons still have to be approved.  But as someone said
wwe've come out of this more "bold, blue, bitchin" that ever!  GO AGS!  GO AGS!
CAL-AGGIE BAND-UH WINS AGAIN-UH!

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From: cstaddb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A I Snowden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: declining band sizes
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:40:49 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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I too have seen the drum corps word declining in size over the past few years.
I remember when the Mayflower Corps used to be the best in the UK. But now due to
declining numbers their just keeping afloat. It's a shame to see the youth of
today content with the computer games and forgetting there real talent. The main
reasons of decline have to be the image of being in a band and what their friends
may say , and the financial aspect. It's a shame that local government don't do
something to help. Thus preventing some kids getting into trouble. Why can't they
see the good it does in the long term. Here in the UK it's getting worse. Whilest
in the States it's an option at high school where many of the less sporty
students go. In the UK , as a leisure activity its hard go get new members.

If anyone has ideas of how to gain new members i'd like to know. It'll be a great
shame to see shuch efforts go to waste.
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: NEEDED! Horns and Flags!
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:51:18 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Interested in getting away from your parents for the summer? Want to learn how
to play your instrument better? Do you play Tuba, Baritone, or are good at
Flag/Dance?

If so, the Colts Drum and Bugle corps needs YOU! Introduce yourself to one of
the best youth activities of our time, meet friends of a lifetime!

Reply to this message for more details, or skip on over to r.a.m.drumcorps for
a flavor of what drum corps is all about!

Brooke Phelps
Colts 1989-1993
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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War")
Subject: Re: Censorship
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:48:23 GMT

Censorship is an uncouth and sorry thing, but is nonetheless
present for that.  My original note was addressed primarily to
scramble bands like us, but I see from the responses to my
sorrow that we are hardly the only band, scramble or
traditional, who suffers from censorship by the
administration.  I have trouble believing that the admin cut
that Civil War/Constitution show, when I think of what we've
gotten away with :-) but I guess that just proves that the
anality of officialdom is universal.  My advice to y'all is
don't give up, and fight hard to preserve your artistic
integrity.

justin tate
TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!
From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("The Nerve-Ending Fairy")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:23:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

I can't believe you, Jeff.  My God, have you noticed the
ammount of applause we get compared to other bands who play at
our school?  Remember Clemson, when they recieved a polite
spattering and we got a huge whoop at the end of our every
feature?  I can only
remember being booed at once, during my first year.  Yeah, that's
 bad, but buck up, -that goes with being the
only band in the ACC that takes ANY risks with our material.
We did have a few jokes flop this year.  We'll have a few flops next
year.  But the fizzle/bellylaugh ratio is at a low and dropping
steadily.  We hold an awesome sway over our audience, which more
frequently leads to laughter and cheers.  
	There *have* been editorials written about disbanding us.  The
most frequent complaint is that we made fun of the President of
the United States.  I am proud to be in an
organization which ticks off people who think the Federal
Government is above reproach.    
	Some people just want to see a marching band.  Nothing else
is going to make
them happy, and catering to them in anyway spells
impending doom.  It's an indication that we give a rat's ass
about what they think.  I hope you don't.
 	 We are controversial.  The right people -the students-
 like us.  We can draw a crowd outside the stadium, like at the
uncensored show.  When our team sucked, people used to come to
the games just to see us.  When we suck next year, it will be
the same.  No one knows what we're going to do next.  We have
something special, as do all our scramble band bretheren.  Do
not forget that.  They're never going to take us alive.
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:06:20 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick) writes:

>Recently, the Cal-Aggie Marching Band-uh! has gone thru some ruf times. due
>to the fact that one of our former members accused the band of sexual 
>harassement and we got into a who lot of trouble.  Now, the buttons on our 
>informal hats have to be approved, all our cheers have to be approved. and 
>everyone is being very anal retentive.  Sucks, don't it?

A few years ago, the Cal Band (the one in Berkeley) was going to
do a show on the Civil War.  They had a Confederate Flag and a Union
Flag as props for the show, and at the end, they were going to play
a combination of "Dixie" and "Battle Hymn of the Republic."  Well,
someone got wind of this, and the Chancellor called the band director,
asking him to take "Dixie" out of the show.  Supposedly it offended
someone.  (It didn't offend Lincoln, who asked that it be played
at his 2nd inaugural.)  Their official statement was that the Chancellor's
pressure was "not censorship" .. yeah, right.  

I guess American history is not politically correct sometimes.

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