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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Happy Flowers recommendations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:48:19 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <26359@castle.ed.ac.uk> eftv03@castle.ed.ac.uk (L R Watt) writes:
>
>   Would any of you like to recommend material by those much 
>missed funsters Mr. Anus and Mr. Horribly Charred Infant, 
>a.k.a. The Happy Flowers?  I should have bought some of their 
>stuff years ago, when I had the money, because now I can't 
>remember which of their records I enjoyed best.  If I'm going 
>to buy one record, which one would y'all suggest?

Homestead just re-issued all their Homestead 7"s on one CD (with about
20 or so extra tracks, including covers of the Beatles, Echo & the 
Bunnymen, DRI, and My Dad Is Dead). A very good comprehensive history!

>   Also, has anyone heard the new Jesus Lizard LP?  Worth 
>getting?

I've heard a few songs from it. Very good - I bit better than Goat, but
not quite as good as Head. Definitely a more "polished" sound, but it
still rocks... :)

-- 
Joshua Houk || houk@athena.cs.uga.edu
[Co-moderator of the Indie-List - email for info!]
"She asked me if I had a name. I told her I was glued up on some chick."
   - Jawbreaker
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The failed promise of CD (part n of many)
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <5457@news.duke.edu> sherouse@RadOnc.Duke.EDU (George W. Sherouse) writes:
> 
> I saw Tori Amos this weekend.  No matter what you think of her music,
> there is no doubt that she is a remarkably dynamic performer.  This
> woman will glide effortlessly from a whisper to a roar in the same
> phrase.  Way cool.
> 
> Now, I would never have known this from her recorded work.  If you
> folks will recall with me, one of the things that was supposed to make
> CDs worth all that extra money was their inherent dynamic range
> advantage.  This was a nice thought, particulary to us middle-era King
> Crimson fans who would have killed to hear The Talking Drum in its
> full glory.  But, at least in the "rock" world, I have not seen much
> evidence of this dynamic range.  It appears that regardless of the
> hype, stuff gets mixed flat.  This is presumably to make it more
> amenable to radio airplay.  Once again the marketing folks win out.
> Tori's is an extreme case, I think, and an unusually unfortunate one.
> 
> Or have I missed something?

If you want an example of Dynamic Range, check out Tri-Cycle by Flim and
the BB's.  You may then happen to make an observation that a large dynamic
range may work well for music intended for careful listening in appropriate
situations, but can be quite disturbing in more causal listening.

It should come as no surprise that most people listen to music over the
radio and most pop stations insert an audio compressor between the CD deck
and transmitter to limit dynamic range even more...

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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: PSYCHEFUNKAPUS??
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:27:12 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology
Keywords: Heard of them?

In <bacchus.718011405@mcl> bacchus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Graham Linn) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone had heard of Psychefunkspus, and what you think.
>I am friends with the band, and I hope this to be an impromptu worldwide
>survey.     

I picked up the first self-titled album, and I thought it was pretty good.
Not nearly as amazing as some things in its genre (Chili Peppers, Fishbone,
or even the Limbomaniacs) but definitely decent and listenable.

I got their second album, Skin, and was so repulsed that I haven't got up
the nerve to play it a second time.  It deserves a second listen, I'll get
around to it sooner or later.

You don't have to pass this on to the boys in the band if you think it
would upset them.

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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rave,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: The Orb
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:03:48 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <q0_p#sm@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> > What other projects have member(s) of the Orb been involved in?  I heard
> > some were part of something called 777.  Is this true? 
> 
> Yes.  777 is the US name for Steve Hillage's project System 7 (they
> probably had some trouble with Apple).  Alex and Thrash are both involved;
> the sound is strongly Orb-flavored with R&B vox on some tracks and Hillage
> guitar throughout.  The album is named after the band (US is _777_, UK
> _System 7_) and readily available.  

Thrash is a member of the band Fortran 5 which has got an album out called "Blues"
(I think).  They're more of a pop band and their sound reminds me of Paul
Hardcastle.

> > What do people think of the comparison to Pink Floyd I keep hearing about?!
> 
> It's not uncalled-for.

Dr Alex always brings up that comparison himself so I suppose he likes it.

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
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From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Acoustical Guitar?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:17:03 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

The following Neil Young you should try (for acoustic guitar)

Harvest 
Comes A Time
After The Goldrush

There are some excellent acoustic songs on other albums by him (which have a
mixture of electric and acoustic).

One of my favourite albums though , which uses acoustic to beautiful
effect , is the self titled debut album by The La's.They were quite
pissed off with the way Steve Lillywhite produced it as they wanted it
to be MORE acoustic , but it's great as it is in my view.

Peter.
From: kmloy@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Some Real Singles Lyrics
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:22:14 GMT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

Guess what guys?  I got the lyrics to "State fo Love and Trust" and 
"Would".  They were transcribed in recent guitar magazines.  I'll post them
very soon.
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Scanning in Music (Was Re: Scanning)
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:44:38 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Oct6.163334.6344@gvl.unisys.com> schrey@oak.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy M. Schreyer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.140643.20101@panix.com>, jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
>|> 
>|> RUSH are a kids version of real musicians, and they are derivative of
>|> themselves and other groups of the so called "progressive" niche....
>|> 
>   Good Lord!  Do you really think the Nirvana boys are "real musicians"
>   compared to the players in RUSH?!  I'm not a huge fan of either band
>   but they don't even compare when it somes to "musicianship".

Has everyone's IQ gone down with the temperatures lately?  Who the hell
was comparing RUSH to Nirvana?  Where do you get this inference?
Must every critical statement on the motherf'ing newsgroup eventually
degrade to some stupid comparison with Nirvana?!?!?!?!??!

Jack
jis@panix.com

NOTE:  For those who care, the topic is "Scanning" meaning lyrics that
rythmically go along with music.  Many will dispute my definition.  Are
there any other definitions/opinions of what "scanning" is in this group...
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: shulman@vxdesy.desy.de (Julian Shulman)
Subject: Re: The Cure: FAT BOB???!!!
Reply-To: shulman@vxdesy.desy.de (Julian Shulman)
Organization: University College London/ Zeus Expt, DESY, Hamburg
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:41:27 GMT

In article <Bv211J.Az7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tchess@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (T.
Chris Ess) writes:
|>I read in Design magazine that it was Johnny Lydon that calls Bob
|>"Fat."  I
|>don't know about souxsie...
|>
Maybe I've missed something here, I haven't looked in this group for a
while but FAT BOB
has been called FAT BOB as long as I can remember, I don't know anybody
who refers to FAT
BOB as anything but FAT BOB.

By the way any of you Yanks caught onto Creaming Jesus yet?

Julian Shulman
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: Nirvana
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:44:44 GMT

In article <uemmRB4w165w@hale.cts.com>, genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
|> 
|> nirvana? social relevance? socially ignorant perhaps. i worked at the def 
|> leppard show when they were out here in san diego last saturday. they are 
|> very soft spoken and personable. plus, they are talented. something 
|> nirwannabe has yet to display. and you'd think that talent is an 
|> important factor in this business. hmmm
|> 
|> HALE TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Public Access Node, San Diego CA 619/660-6734 HST
|> genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)   24-Sep-92 at 3:18p

Piss off!!

How do you define talented? Subject to you liking them, huh?

If I could sell 30 million discs without being talented, I wouldn't
be flaming you right now!

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Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:10:43 EDT
 <90755@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Sep29.170013.26940@news.uiowa.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University


>>I saw that you mentiond Throwing Muses in your message.  I just wanted to
>>say that they are one of my favorite bands.  I'm not terribly enamored with
>>their new stuff (post House Tornado) except for Real Ramona, though.  I think
>>that their first album, however, is the best album of all time, hands down.
>>There is no comparison.  Even better than Murmur by R.E.M.
> 
> I have to at least put my vote of support in for this statement.  Every 
> Throwing Muses fan must listen to their first album 10 times(to first
> get used to it) and then another 10 to 100 times to truly understand
> what the Throwing Muses are/were about.  

I'll third all of this. I too love the first two albums and eps (Throwing
Muses, House Tornado--Chains Changed, Fat Skier) and I just want to say, if all
you've heard of them is "Not Too Soon" then YOU ARE MISSING MUCH. Definitely
hunt down and kill for all the above. They are magical.

BTW, fans may be interested in knowing that I talked to 4AD this summer and
they said that through the Reprise licensing deal _Throwing Muses_ is finally
going to be released domestically with _Chains Changed_ tacked on, which is
good since the latter is out of print and not available on CD anyway...
supposedly it should be out by the end of the year.

And another thing... did anyone else purchase the import of _Red Heaven_ (Best
album since _House Tornado_ I think... blows away the deplorable _Hunkpapa_)
with the extra CD of Kristen Hersh live? I ask because I find that the whole
recording seems to have been pitched down flat and sounds rather strange... has
anyone else noticed this? Or do I have a defective copy?

--Kreig
kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Singles.... A must see
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:58:22 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

>> i cannot believe that anybody thought that wuz a good film. at least i
>> saw it   for three dollars instead of six. the only thing worth the
>> money wuz to see tad's cameo. what is unfortunate is that it could have
>> been a good film had the director decided to tone down the "cult" in it
>> (like he said he would). and why is matt dillon on all the adds and
>> posters? he's not even the main character, maybe to sell a name instead
>> of a mediocre film. so are we to believe that everybody, yuppies and
>> flaky enviromentalists included, in seattle listen to mudhoney, alice in
>> chains, and soundgarden? cameron crowe even said that he would not rely 
>> on the idea as seattle as a music mecca, but we seem to see a lot of
>> well known bands (or at least those on major labels) rear their ugly
>> heads.
>> mudhoney sums the film up the best in their song for the soundtrack,
>> "overblown."
>  Um, excuse me, but I saw it for $5 and it was well worth it.  You might
> have seen just that the film showed that EVERYBODY listens to SG, AiC, and
> Mudhoney, but you over look the fact that in the opening shots, if I remember
> correctly, Mother Love Bone was spray painted on the wall there.  AND
> I saw quite a few Green River, MLB, and Sub Pop t shirts and cut outs on the
> walls of the apartments.  May be you missed this or may be you WANTED to not
> see that.  BUt, don't  go cutting down a movie 'cuse the portrail wasn't what
> you expected.
>                                 Woody

But Woody, so what if we see Mother Love Bone and Green River mentions? These
all add up to Pearl Jam. And the SubPop one? Nirvana. Still easily
recognizable. I think the first poster had a valid point, and you completely
missed it in your adolescent worship of all things Seattle.

Kreig
ravinglunatick
kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robey Pointer)
Subject: Re: Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two.
Keywords: Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:16:42 GMT

genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:

>hmmm new order's first album is hard to come by. my copy is an old tape 
>version.  electronic doesnt really have anything rare. too new. i am also 
>looking for joy division stuff.

Because Rough Trade folded, the first tape can be had many places CHEAP.
I got mine for $2... check around.

robey


-- 
Robey Pointer               | "...and that's the way Jesus pays his bills."
rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu  |  -Rev. Robert Tilton
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Sonic Youth wasn't always on DGC WAS Re: Sonic Youth (huh?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:39:31 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

>> I have been inactive on this group for quite some time now due to heavy 
>> obsession of FR-MUD!
>> However it seems as there are now a whole lot of potential Sonic Youth fans 
>> out there. What strikes me as funny is that everybody seem to think that Goo 
>> and Dirty are the only recordings they ever did.......
>> Why haven't anyone yet brought up the REALLY good old ones like Bad Moon 
>> Rising and Evol..??
>> 
> and SISTER.....

Yeah, I recall when this summer a friend of mine told me how she mentioned
wanting to get _Dirty_and the person she was talking to said, "Oh I have their
first album, _Goo_."...

But for that matter what about the SY EP, DAYDREAM NATION, KILL YR. IDOLS and
CONFUSION IS SEX?

They ALL were good.
Not that they all sound the same. On the contrary. They're all REALLY good.
Go get 'em, kids...

Kreig
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Live in Glastonbury
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:55:59 GMT


A store around here is seling the 2CD "Live In Glastonbury 1992" CDs, and
I was curious as to how good it is. How good is the live recording, are the
songs good, how long are the discs, how does it sound, are you glad you
bought it, would you like to throw it under a moving bus, etc. Thanx
for any input.
-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
"All our life is spent in this permanent brainwashed contempt."
	- Meat Beat Manifesto
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 01:23:36 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Shriekback info

Shriekback's new album "Sacred City" was released on September 22.
The single is called "The Bastard Sons of Enoch" and is inspired by
the comic book "Metropol" by Ted McKeever.  It is *not* typical of
the material on the album.  Album track listing:

Signs
Pyscho Drift
The Bastard Sons of Enoch
(Open Up Your) Filthy Heart (To Me)
Exquisite Corpse
Below
Beatles Zebra Crossing
Hymn to the Local Gods
Every Force Evolves a Form
3 am

The band is now Dave Allen, Barry Andrews, and Martyn Barker.
Carl Marsh's band is called Happyhead, one album called "Give Happyhead"
available (p)1992.

The World Domination Tour includes Shriekback, Too Much Joy, and
Sky Cries Mary and is covering the states now.  Appearing in Chicago on
October 15 at Metro.

The style of the new album will appeal to older Shriekback fans including
those who were disappointed by "Go Bang!".  There's not much of the
fast stuff like "Nemesis" or "Malaria" for example, the songs are calmer
along the lines of "Faded Flowers" and "My Spine (Is the Bass Line)".
IMHO the album is fantastic, but I love Shriekback and *all* of their
output, so take that as you will.

As for finding the "Nemesis" 12" single for $40, I picked one up
recently for $5 (used of course).

For Chicagoans who want to hear the new Shriekback album: Club 950,
950 West Wrightwood (intersection of Sheffield, Lincoln, and Wrightwood)
is having a Shriekback record release party next Monday, October 5.
They're giving away stuff including tickets to the concert at Metro.
And playing lots of Shriekback, new and old.  Hey, all *my* friends
will be there.

The last lyric of "Nemesis" is definitely "with the great big fishes."

I think that covers everything.
-S
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From:  (J Klein)
Subject: Re: Acoustical Guitar?
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:25:40 GMT


> Does anyone have have some recommendations of interesting bands/artists with an
> acoustical guitar emphasis?

How about Aztec Camera or The Origin's first album...
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: rjh@pixel.maths.monash.edu.au (Robin Humble)
Subject: Re: Galaxie 500 King of Spain
Organization: Monash University Dept of Mathematical Impossibilities
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:16:28 GMT

In article <12941@ecs.soton.ac.uk> you write:
|> Hi all, I've noticed reading a couple of items about Galaxie 500's 'King of
|> Spain' that it appears to be on 'Today'. I have copies of the album on
|> Shimmy Disc Europe and Rough Trade and its not on either. I know 'King
|> of Spain part II is on This is our Music. Is part I only on the original
|> Aurora pressing.
 
I seem to recall that "King Of Spain" was an early and now very rare
Galaxie 500 single. Maybe on Shimmy Disc??
The song is included on the "Today" CD release, but not on the
vinyl version.

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From: dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube)
Subject: Re: Dave Kendall
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:07:22 GMT

Well, it's agreed.  It seems that few people people like Dave Kendall
regardless of what his hair is like.

Excerpt from Dave Kendall interview with Juliana Hatfeild:

"So, you were in the Blake Babies.  What was that like?"

Excrpt from Dave Kendall interview with Bob Mould:

"So, you were in Husker Du.  What was that like?"

Excerpt from Dave Kendall interview with Chris Mars:

"So, you were in the Replacements.  What was that like?"

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: Nirvana
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:45:39 GMT

(soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:

>>> Nirvana may not be the most articulate lyricists in the world, but
>>> at least they understand that the words gotta scan with the music--
>>> something that Rush and Metallica never managed to figure out.
>>
>> [...] I don't believe for one second that you'll be able to define
>> "scan with the music" any better than other people have been able
>> to define "commercial" in past discussions [...]

> I don't think it would be easy to do, but I think it's possible.
> English is a stressed language, so is the (musical) language of
> most pop/rock songs; and I believe that one could analyze a song,
> identify the stresses in the music and in the lyrics and determine
> with reasonable "objectivity" how well the lyrics scan in the context
> of the music.

Hmmm. I can't say that this really makes it much clearer for me.

Can you give me a few more examples of what you feel are songs that
'scan'? When a song doesn't scan, are you talking about too many
syllables forced upon the melody? Are we solely discussing the *sound*
of the lyrics here, or does scanning also involve the meaning of the text?
Is scanning a melody thing, or a rhythm thing?

And exactly what Rush song would you say *doesn't* scan?
My own example would be "Countdown", a horrible little monster where
words and music seem to have no connection to each other whatsoever.
But on the other hand there's surely "Turn the Page", with the
inspiring lyrics: "It's just the age / It's just a stage / We
disengage / We turn the page". Can you tell me how this differs from 
"An albino / a mulatto / a mosquito / a whatever", scan-wise?

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
From: UnoJ
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Skate Nigs/S.O.D.
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:40:28 GMT
Organization: CIT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cumin.bio.caltech.edu

In article <1992Sep23.063934.10933@nuchat.sccsi.com> drew@nuchat.sccsi.com
(Andrew Freeman) writes:
>The Skate Nigs are band from Austin.  They have a new album coming out
>next week on Megaforce records.  They were just signed an 8 record
>contract.  When they played in may, the guitarist from Ministry
>played a bit.  Supposibly, AL J. is moving to austin texas soon.
>Thats what he said at lolla a few weeks ago.
>

Funny that after discussing _where_ they come from nobody
has given a rat's ass about the new record they have out
(but then again, maybe it has been argued about ad nauseam
in a group I don't read). It's called _Stupid People Shouldn't
Breed_ and it has _Chemical Imbalance_ as its first song. I
haven't heard it yet, though, so I cannot voice my opinion
yet.

On a related note, even S.O.D. have released a live album
(from the first concert they headlined, Scott Ian claims
in the liner notes). _Live at Budokan_ is the title and
for all of you who noticed the intermingling of groups in
the industro-core arena, they cover Ministry's _Stigmata_
amd _Thieves_. I could not find Al J. or Paul B. in the 
guest list though.


    Thought y'all might like to know this


       UnoJ


>thanks,
>
>andrew
>af07984@swtexas.bitnet