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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:12:12 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1jiq3eINNt6i@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Mark Steyn (marks@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the 68040 needs a 32 bit bus
>: to operate, unlike the '030 and '020.  No idea about the EC040 though.
>
>Beginning with the 040 (and this will continue, to the best of my
>understanding), there is no support for dynamic bus-sizing on chip.
>However, I imagine that with some logic, one could probably make it
>work on a 16-bit system, and it probably would save you a few dollars,
>so yes, it is possible that Apple's Classic IV could be a crippled
>040.

Guess how a 68040 card can work in an Amiga 2000: By having some logic
that makes it possible to do dynamic bus sizing.


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:38:43 GMT
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Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >I don't bash.  I fire back if someone flames me, that's all.  
:
: This is perhaps the central point. I'm yet not sure whether you believe
: this really or only say it. I remember proofing you in a past posting
: exactly this point, that you *not* corrected some misinformation but
: chose to make unnecessary and invalid negative side remarks about the
: Amiga. And this is after my (and probably most people's here) impression
: exactly what makes your performance here so annoying.
:

You seem to remember lots of things that never happened, Peter -- like how
I argued for months that the x86 was far superior to the 680x0, and how you
proved to me that I do unnecessary bashing.

:
: >If you don't
: >want to hear from me after you insult me (or lie about what I said), put
: >me in your killfile.
:
: So that *I* wouldn't be able to correct *your* numerous false statements?
: Not.
:

Now who's claiming ultimate knowledge?

:
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
:
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:19:09 GMT
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Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.020209.10879@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
:  >Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
:  >
:  >: Gee, that's GREAT!  Maybe YOU'd like to have nuclear waste dumped in YOUR back
:  >: yard, so all us misguided morons can be freed from our cancer and radiation-
:  >: sickness paranoias.
:  >
:  >Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
:  >remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
:  >that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
:  >on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
:  >last 10-20 years....
: Oh, that's much! I remember during the Tchernobyl desaster, where the
: contamination of Europe was mainly due to Cs (Caesium, sp?), they showed
: that it really was only a few grams of this material (less than a tea
: spoon full, they showed it on TV with some powder) that had escaped from
: that reactor and was enough to pollute whole Europe! There *is* some power 
: in such stuff...
Contain it, and bury it, and you don't have to worry about it.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:02:26 GMT

In article <jprad.727648324@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  Goto's are *exactly* the same thing [as chainsaws].

>  -jack-

Wow!  I think I'll go into logging, I already have the tools. . . :)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:16:04 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>In article <torrie.727676615@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, Evan Torrie (torrie@cs.stanford.edu) wrote:
>:   No thank you.  Why on earth would I want to saddle my machine with
>: those slow, delayed (just when are those 50MHz versions coming out??),
>: lagging behind everybody else SuperSPARCs, when I could stick the 2
>: or 3 times as fast Alphas in there?

>Alphas?  I wasn't aware that their design made it "easy" to
>multiprocess them.  

  One of the big arguments in comp.arch was about the Alpha's memory
barrier instructions, which are design to allow easy implementations
of things like memory models like release consistency in a
multiprocessor machine.  The Alpha certainly is designed for
multiprocessing.

> The reason the SuperSPARC's came to mind was their relative ease
>in setting up a parallel architecture.  

  As you note, the 88K has had this for a long time (and Data General
has been building multiprocessor Aviions for years).  Sun is hardly
doing anything new.  In fact, a cynic would say that the only reason
they're pushing multiprocessor machines is because they've fallen so
far behind the pack on the uniprocessor performance curve.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:28:59 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan22.150708.26344@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, Jarkko Lindblad (lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: Jan Roger Wilkens (jawil@hpx14.aid.no) wrote:

: > Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
: > testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something

Because it's better for them.  :)  They're not as bad as they used to
be, but some level of secrecy is NECESSARY.  Too many things never
make it out of the R&D department to do otherwise.

: I would ot like to see beta versions as being freely distributable -
: they just give more problems than they solve. A friend of mine just
: tried to install this OS/2 2.1 today - he tried everyhtinng he cound
: and wasted several hours and finally got into point in where the OS
: almost booted... almost because the system decided to lock up pretty
: nicely. (and no, he is no beginner with computers, PC's or OS/2 2.x.)

Above that, there's the impression that a buggy operating system
gives, even if that is a beta.  As a friend of mine, Russell McOrmond,
could attest to, when betas of Welmat were available to public use,
people got the impression that welmat was "buggy", even though actual
released versions were extremely stable.  That impression persists.

That is not something C=, or any other OS designer, needs.

Greg

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From: D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000 vs 486 ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:09:07 GMT
Distribution: world, public
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


(Note: The following prices are in Pounds Sterling)

A friend of mine (A PC fan) and I worked out the price of a 486 machine that was
close in ability and functionality to a A4000.
The Prices used, (Dirt Cheap Whole sale) were about 600 less than the price of
a magazine add for the A4000.
A Brand Name machine (e.g. Dell, Compaq et al) with the same spec could be 
expected to just about close that gap.

This I am sad to say (As an Amiga fan) does not put the A4000 on an equal
footing with thew 486, The machine we put together was generally better on most
counts.

Generally I don`t think there are enough difference between Falcon/AA Amigas/
486`s/Macs for it to pay anyone to change machine.  Most people I know who
use Amiga`s or Mac`s alot detest Windows after using it for a bit, and regular
Windows users hate the Mac and the Amiga.  What you are used to counts for a lot,

I bought an A1200 recently, 400 pounds was the absolute maximum I could spend,
so there was absolutlely no competition between that and any other machine.
(What I mean is whatever the technical merits of machines in comparable price
brackets none seemed better.  The fact that I already had an Amiga (Again bought
when no other machine seemed a comparable buy) swung the matter so far out of
any other machines lure that it was purely academic.

Had I a budget of a 1000, I might have considered a PC, since it technically
would outperform a B2000/A1500, but the software I already have, and the dislike
(To be honest outright comptempt and hatred for MS-DOS, inevitably colours my
view of Windows.  OS/2 pretty much is irrelevant here.) Would quite possibly even
the balance.

A friend of mine spent the summer working with Windows on fairly powerful 486's.
But he still prefers his much slower A1500.  Critisms on the `look` of GUI`s
is fruitless (but entertaining).  It really is a matter of personal taste more
than anything.  I prefer my 16 colour Amiga Workbench to the Windows I`ve used.
I found windows clumsy, and the screen size restricting.  If was using Windows
a lot however I would adapt to use that system, and when I went back to my Amiga,
I`d probably find zipping about a work area four times larger than the visible
area irritating.

DB.
Nb.- Witty Quote goes here.

	D.Butcher@ncl.ac.uk
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:12:38 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <kennys.3hhq@terapin.com> kennys@terapin.com (Kenny Sequeira) writes:
>
>If Commodore even lost 10 dollars, the death vendors come out of the 
>wood work.  Oh well, at least I don't own a PS/2.

	Hell, even if they MAKE money, they've always got Marc N. Barrett.


	Toodlepip!
	Marc 'em.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: aga upgrade board????
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:11:10 EST


JR>Sorry if this is a FAQ, but is Commodore offering an AGA upgrade board
JR>for the older chipset systems? If so, please point me to the details as
JR>would prefer to upgrade rather than buy a whole new system.

 Commodore has not verified or denied if an AGA upgrade card/motherboard 
whatever will be available for existing machines. Many of the Commodore 
developers have indicated that it would be difficult to do, but it was 
possible but not pratical. Of course these developers don't really have 
a say as to what will or won't be released.
 
 There have been several rumours that a number of 3rd party companies are
working on AGA compatible graphics cards for the older ECS Amigas. Hopefully
someone will mention something soon. If you own an Amiga 500 with 1 Meg floppy 
it's more practicle to purchase an Amiga 1200. But if you own an Amiga 500 with 
an 030 Accelerator 8 megs of 32 bit ram and a 200 meg harddrive. It's more
praticle to invest another $500 for an AGA upgrade.

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From: manacsa@l13ff.jsc.nasa.gov (Gerry Manacsa)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:28:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.110215.6729@desire.wright.edu>, jdemers@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
 [preceding quotes and stuff deleted...]

>  The two things I have against just suddenly supporting electric cars is:
>  One) the batterys on those cars use chemicals that are incredibly toxic, they
> are harder to dispose of then car exhaust, which will be absorbed by trees and
> recycled eventually. (At least the CO portion will be, the other chemicals I'd
> have to look into I can't remember off the top of my head.)

New developments in battery technology could resolve these problems.  For
example, nickel hydride batteries (already commercially available even in
consumer-grade AA batteries) contain far less heavy metals and other
toxics than conventional batteries.  They also have much greater storage 
capacity.  The main drawback (for now) is cost, but this will come
down with increasing production volume and improved mfg processes.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:18:34 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Not just that.  DIG allows software to work on everything from dumb frame
: buffers to advanced graphics coprocessors.  So you have your choice -- cheap
: and slow, or expensive and fast.

So will RTG.  The difference is, DIG doesn't see the difference between a
printer, a monitor, or any other type of device that shows "graphics", in
the barest sense.  RTG will require "display devices", while DIG works
with anything.

_THAT_ is the difference, and RTG is what we're getting.  A device driver
supports a certain number of functions which graphics.library calls upon
to do the rendering.  That allows chunky/bitplane architecture as well as
special hardware to exist.

RTG is, in theory, faster than DIG.  Guess which I'd rather have?  The
fact that printing might be more complicated is of little concern.

: What about speed?

If you think DIG is necessary to be able to use a fast display device
with custom hardware, you're once again sorely mistaken.  As a matter of
fact, on such a device, given equal hardware, an RTG system could easily
be faster than a display-list DIG system.

: I myself don't care too much about animation -- I believe a decent VGA
: is good enough for games, and I don't do any video or other presentations.
: As to having a small, efficient OS, I don't see how that can be reason
: enough to get a computer.  On the other hand, I am interested in learning

I do.  It's one of the reasons I _LIKE_ the Amiga so much, and it WAS a
decision in my moving to it.

: more about OS's, which is why I'm thinking of switching from SVR4 to Linux -- 
: Linux comes with source, is free, and is very small and efficient compared
: to SVR4.

I'd do it.  I've got a friend who runs Linux, and he's never been sorry.
Personally, on the Amiga, if I were going to go gung-ho unix, I'd do it
with that Mach kernel.

Greg

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:13:13 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1993Jan26.153419.23402@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
>
>Not true.  Windows makes it trivial to delete directories, using the graphical
>interface.  The truly naive user won't need COMMAND.COM at all.

This brings up a big complaint of mine about Windows.

Because the arrangement of icons in the Program Manager bears no relation to
the structure of the filesystem, many naive Windows users have no idea what a
directory is, and don't use them to organise their work.  They get away with
this mess because they don't see all the "behind the scenes" files in, eg.,
their Excel directory (the example isn't random - a couple of Excel users at
work come to mind).  So, they happily store their worksheets in said directory.
This doesn't worry them, because the file requestor only shows them "*.xl?"
files, so they're blithely unaware of what a mess they're making.

If Windows didn't make this stupid distinction between file and program
management, we'd be a lot better off.

>: The naive Amiga already has the tools to make effective use of
>: his computer, without resorting to third parties.  While, the more advanced
>: Amiga users can make use of third party products to further improve what is
>: already a quality environment.
>
>Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
>All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
>days).

That's all you PC people can say, isn't it?  You defend an OS by pointing out
the applications available for it.  Sorry - they're two different things.


>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |


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From: mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 20 Jan 1993 23:07:11 -0800
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In article <1993Jan21.052858.23136@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Where CAN I get really nice MS-DOS UNIX-like utils?  Have an batch file that
>does dir/w for ls doens't cut it...

Well, you can try the MKS toolkit, available from MKS (Mortice Kern
Systems) of Waterloo Ontario, Canada.  I've also found some reasonable
ones in the public domain, just by sifting carefully through every
floppy that comes my way.  Under DOS 5, you shouldn't need the batch
file, either.  Investigate the DOSKEY command.

>You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>Does it matter, Skip?

Well, yes.  For one thing, there doesn't seem to be a standard location
for the \ key on PC keyboards.  I find that I keep having to hunt for
it when I need to type paths in DOS.  For another, it's not like Unix,
and can't be made such with an alias or a couple of extra programs
lying around in your bin directory.  (I'm not suggesting Unix is
perfect, but if I use it all day, having similar behaviour at home
would be nice.  You express interest in wanting Unix commands; I would
think you'd want Unix path syntax too, for similar reasons.)

Why am I beginning to suspect that Falcon3 is becoming a big stick?

stephan("no relation to Genghis Khan");

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:22:29 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: : What about speed?
:
: If you think DIG is necessary to be able to use a fast display device
: with custom hardware, you're once again sorely mistaken.
:

No, but DIG/RTG *is* necessary if you want one piece of software to work on
both the fast display device and the built-in chipset.  And with DIG/RTG,
the software not only works on both, but can also take advantage of each.

: Greg
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