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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Those who don't study history (Illinios/Ohio State)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:03:17 GMT

Stupendous Man writes:

>    At the time, the one point didn't matter, but two would.

But if that is the case, he should have gone for two from the three yard line.
The inconsistant strategy is not a sign of strong leadership!

     - Pat
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami #1
Keywords: do they deserve it?
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:42:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Let me start by saying that I really, really HATE Miami ALOT!  I really HATE them
them!  I'm not a Miami fan in disguise saying this, I really can't stand them.
But, I must say that Miami has taken on all comers, and won.  They deserve to be
#1 until someone proves otherwise on the football field.  Nothing against the
Huskies, but Miami beat FSU (#3) and PSU (#7) in consecutive weeks.  That's 
pretty impressive.  About the Arizona game, the most important statistic, mayve
maybe the only stat that counts on Jan.2 for the NC is w-l-t record.  Acquire
two losses, and your out of it.  Go unbeaten and you have a decent shot.  Etc.
If Miami goes the entire season unbeaten, they will have beaten SDSU, FSU at
home, and PSU and Syracuse on the road, plus a bowl team, maybe CU, UA, TAMU.
That is NOT a creampuff schedule.  I always hated it when Miami scheduled teams
like Montana St. but this year, despite the FAMU game, Miami has a decent
schedule.  For all those who are criticizing the 'Canes for playing wimpy teams
like FAMU, etc.  Why aren't you also harassing Washington for playing such
powerhouses as Oregon St., Oregon, Arizona St., etc.  What's good for the 
goose....  Just because Miami didn't beat FSU or PSU by 20 points doesn't mean
that they didn't win big enough.  Hey, they beat them didn't they.  Also, with
the Arizona game, teams don't play well EVERY week.  At least some don't.  Geez,
Miami has one letdown, and everybody claims they suck.  Where are all you Pac10
woofers who are going to tell us lucky Miami is to beat Arizona at all?  Why
aren't you posting that Arizona will go to a bowl and beat some highly ranked
non-Pac10 team?  Lastly, everybody can chill out for now, because this early
in the season, it doesn't matter who is #1.  If your team is in the top 10 at
this juncture, your in decent shape.  There is NO WAY a decent team that is
unbeaten can be ranked out of the top 5 or so by the time the bowl games roll
around.  For that to happen, there would have to be SERIOUS questions about the
schedule of the team or something comparable.  Once the season get into mid or
late November, THEN start whining if your team isn't ranked high enough.  Sure
its true that low rankings at the start can cripple your start, but if you win
your games, you can't be ignored.  Look at Ga. Tech in 1990.  In the UPI poll,
Tech rose something like 10 places in the last couple of weeks.  From #12 or so
to #1.  If your unbeaten, they CAN'T ignore that record.  So chill out until
late in the season.
-- 
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's....
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:57:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.16879C439.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Oct7.163139.22492@utdallas.edu>
   dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
 
>
>In article <ld3741INN18e@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>WHen was the last TRUE frosh to play QB at a major college & play well ?
>> stuff deleted
 
 
Bucky Richardson for Texas A&M played his freshman year in 1987 (the
year we stomped Tim Brown and Norte Dame in the Cotton Bowl).  As I
recall, Bucky was named as player-of-the-game.
 
      --------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  I get to give it a try this weekend...
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:24:35 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: usa
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stuff deleted

You got the t-shirt wrong, it's supposed to be

    A&M sucks....... but
    Texas swallows!!!

at least that's the way it reads on the Texas Tech campus!
-Jeff

GO TECH!!!!!

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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: USC Dreams
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:38:11 GMT

dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod) writes:

>Incidentally, the USC in South Carolina is the real USC, since 
>they were around first.  They even won a court case over it.  
>So stop using their name!

USC, USC, USC!
The one also known as 'SC!
The one also known as Southern California.
The one with the cute song girls.

So, sue me!

Geaux Treauxjans!
Careful with the ever-dangerous Bearz!

Serdar

Incidentally, the OSU in Columbus is the real OSU, since 
they were around first.  They even won a court case over it.  
So stop using their name, you Beavers! 

Incidentally, the OSU in Oklahoma is the real OSU, since 
they were around first.  They even won a court case over it.  
So stop using their name, you Buckeyes!

Incidentally, the OSU in Oregon is the real OSU, since 
they were around first.  They even won a court case over it.  
So stop using their name, you Cowboys!

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722
From: s243ap@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Dean Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:04:24 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley

In article <1992Oct11.013903.14858@walter.bellcore.com> lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.231835.23782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct10.192903.33776@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>Alright fans, let's hear your arguments!!!  Who in the world can deny that
>>>the Miami Hurricanes are the #1 team in the nation, without a doubt???
>>>Not only are they undefeated...
>>>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>>>But...
>>>
>>>In successive weeks, they have taken down #3 Flordia State, and now, they
>>>have travelled to #7 Penn State, and beat them on their own turf...
>>
>>Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
>>Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...
>>
>>Yup, definite #1 ...

I agree.  Miami is not winning its games in the way a #1 team should.
Just as strength of schedule is an important factor in determining who
is #1, so is the margin of victory, particularly if a significant number
of your victories depend on opponents missing field goals.

EXAMPLE #1: Arizona missed a game winning field goal.  You can bet when
Washington plays Arizona it won't go down to the final seconds like this.

EXAMPLE #2: Florida State misses a game tying field goal.  

EXAMPLE #3: Penn State misses two field goals in their three point loss
to Miami.

In all these instances, the opposing team lost the game, rather than 
Miami winning.  Miami is a great team, but they do not deserve to be
#1 until Washington loses, or if they beat Oregon State by less than 
seven points.

********************************************************************
Dean Roberts

The Canes only blow each other!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mjo@beat.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael J. Oatley)
Subject: Re: div II rankings for Jacksonville St.?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:34:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.140154.8312@infonode.ingr.com>, ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.014616.8012@infonode.ingr.com>, mjo@beat.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael J. Oatley) writes:
|> > In article <1992Oct6.195922.25247@infonode.ingr.com>, ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |> Thanks (Why won't USA Today put this poll in the paper?)
|> > |> Bob E.
|> > 
|> > Well, Bob, if you'd save a quarter and by a Huntsville News in the morning
|> > on your way to ingr-land, you'd see:
|> > 
|> > 	Michael J. Oatley		
|> 
|> What!? Read that communist propaganda paper? :)
|> Bob E.


Careful how you edit those follow-ups, Bob. You make it look like I'm 
a communist appearing in the Huntsville News every morning...


	Michael J. Oatley		
	Intergraph Corp.		"When the going gets weird, 
        Huntsville, AL			 the weird turn pro."
	mjo@beat.b24a.ingr.com			Hunter S. Thompson
	205/730-8738
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Thrash-factors (was Re: AP Top 25)
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:40:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.152.10.9

In article 1440@colorado.edu, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
> 
> >Miami, on the other hand, pitched a shutout, and scored only 22,
> >at home, That was a defensive-thrashing (tm). 
> 
> A 20 point difference IS offensive thrashing... I'm sure the hurricanes
> could have ran up the score, but probably complaints about them running
> up the score in the previous years did have some effect on why they
> didn't score more points.

I don't think so.  If I remember right Miami scored a TD on its first
possession & did not score a TD again,  the rest were FGs.   Considering
the total ineptness of the Neb offense,  the Canes had the ball a lot &
with pretty good field position.  They could not get in the EZ.  Doesn't
matter when your defense is as good as Miami's was.

> 
> But, Miami SHUT OUT the Nebraska offense which scored 21 points against
> the much hyped UW defense with Etman & co. What does that say about
> the quality of Miami's defense?
No question here.



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Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be De
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:12:11 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.030520.39242@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
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|> From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
|> Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be De
|> Message-ID: <1992Oct13.030520.39242@uvmark.uucp>
|> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:05:20 GMT
|> Distribution: world,local
|> References: <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> <1992Oct12.131736.3828@arizona.edu>
|> Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
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|> 
|> In article <1992Oct12.131736.3828@arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
|> >toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
|> >>
|> >
|> >Come New Year's Day and Washington will probably play #3 Michigan and who will
|> >Miami play this time? Nebraska again or Colorado????
|> 
|> 
|> Well, that is if Michigan keeps winning.  As for Miami, who knows??  Hopefully
|> they will play the best available team.  What if Miami plays #4???  Besides,
|> the Michigan team will probably be the only top 10 team Washington will have
|> to play, whereas Miami has already played two, and will probably at least 1
|> more in the bowl game.  
|> 

Stanford???  They look pretty tough to me.  I think they are already top 15,
if they win out the string (minus a loss to UW) and win their bowl game, they
should finish top 10, with losses only to current #2 and #4.

|> David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
|> VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
|> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
|> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
|> 
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From: ddo@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (Dale Ohmann)
Subject: Re: where to find individual+team stats in national paper
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:30:22 GMT

Dave Bakken (bakken@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
: I'm trying to find the latest stats for individual players
: plus teams (e.g., best running back stats, teams allowing
: fewest yards against the rush, etc.).  Do the New York
: Times or USA Today run these on a given day, or is there
: a good way to get these.  I'd rather not buy extra papers all
: week... :-}
: 
: Thanks for any help!
: --
: Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
: Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
: Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
: The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.

The USA Today prints individual statistics on Wednesday (hey, that's today).
They publish all division I-A schedules/results on Tuesday.  Polls and
weekend game coverage comes out on Monday (surprise!). 

Anyway, the USA Today doesn't seem to print the team stats anymore. :^(

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From: jvbutera@grad03.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:15:30 GMT

*I know it has been mentioned here but there currently is an attempt to start
*a group expressly for the purpose of discussing a marching band/drum corps
*subject area.  If you are interested in this type of discussion then you
*might want to check out the current discussion in news.groups.  Hopefully we
*can get this group started.
*
* Derek Cook                          | Blue Devils Drum and Bugle Corps  
* E-mail: derek@comlab.gatech.edu     | 1992 Repertoire: Big, Bad, and Blue 
*

There ALREADY IS a group, it's alt.drumcorps.  It is currently attempting
to be renamed into a rec group so that its' audience will increase...



-- 
Jeff Butera            DISCLAIMER: I claim absolutely nothing.
Math Graduate Student
N.C. State University    "Still looking for a witty quote." 
jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu                           -Brad Halls
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue Info?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:45:12 GMT
	<1992Oct12.123439.15311@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <19942@ector.cs.purdue.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <19942@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
}} 
}} Purdue's Jeff Hill is out for the game against Minnesota.  An ankle
}} injury, I believe.

Of course I meant Purdue's game against Wisconsin.  I guess it's the
lack of beef in my diet getting to me.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
From: yang@math.duke.edu (Joe Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UW-Cal match report
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:58:37 GMT
Distribution: usa


   I have seen different opinions on the net regarding the game on
Saturday between UW and Cal. From the final score 35-16, it seems to
be an impressive win (I know, I know, the first half ended 7-7), while
others seemed to suggest that the Huskies were "lucky" because Cal
made some stupid mistakes. The game were not carried here on ABC, so
could some one please write a match report? I believe the game was
only carried by ABC on West Coast, so I am sure lots of other fans
would also like to see such a report.  Thanx in advance.

-- Joe
From: apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:32:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.213246.28592
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <dkm2.718918218@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:
>
>>In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>>>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>>>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>>>then Miami #1. 
>
>>I agree with you on this.  This will be the most reliable data point to
>>apply when comparing Miami and Washington.  Transitive properties simply
>>don't work in College football.  BTW - Washington plays AT arizona.
>
>This is absurd.  Folloe this logic:
>
>LSU beat Mississippi State 24-3.
>Mississippi State beat Florida 30-6.
>
>By your logic, LSU shoud have destroyed Florida.  Florida beat LSU 28-21.

Obviously you didn't read my statement very carefully.  I said
transitive properties (ie. A beats B and B beats C therefore A is better than
C) DON'T WORK in college football.  Your example supports my statement.
Arizona is a COMMON OPPONENT between Miami and Washington, and therefore
a more valid data point.

- Andy
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:32:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct13.132230.2261@u.washington.edu> echen@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Chen) writes:
>In article <4cL303jSa9Xj00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>
>>Bzzzzzt! Thank you for playing but that is the wrong answer! Carol Merril will
>>have some nice parting gifts for you! This common opponent garbage has gone
>>way too far now! AZ shows up in Miami, the week before the FSU game, in the 
>
>Why do I get this feeling that if Miami had smashed AZ 45-0 or something you
>guys would be exclaming how good a measuring stick this common opponent is?

I would never use this one. I played high school and college football and I 
know you just don't play your best every week. Different teams get more 
excited about playing you for different reasons. You always have to peek 
into the next week when there's an FSU coming up. I don't care who you are. 
The best team should be decided head to head ... period. Barring that as a 
possibility, then you can't look at one stupid game and say, violah! I have 
it. Team A beat team C by 3 while team B beat team C by 14 so team B is better.
That is absolute hogwash. Besides, if I were to use a yardstick, it would be 
how a team played against top flight competition versus how they muddled 
through on teams they had little reason to fear or care about. These are 18-21
year old kids after all. And most of them *can* read the paper... well at least
half of them can.... They know when they are supposed to clobber somebody on 
paper and are susceptible to letdowns as a result. 


>
>IMHO, the common opponent IS a more valid data point than "We've beaten the
>#3,7...& you the #12, 21 23 (or something)".  Eventhough not much better.
>
>Last year Miami beat AZ in AZ by a score of (from memory) 29-3.  UW beat AZ
>at UW 54-3 (or was it 0?).  In that case, IMHO, there were no significant
>information from it - both teams crushed AZ.  This year, if the GAME (not simply
>the final score) between UW & AZ is also really close (say within 7 points - 
>AZ still in the game in the last 4 mins), then same thing could be said, no
>significant info.  But if UW beats AZ handily in AZ - then I do believe there
>is valid point in arguing UW is better than Miami.  Now, Just to Show My 
>Objectivity (JSMO), if AZ beats UW in a close game - no info, but UW will
>drop from #1 contention & Miami deserves the #1 (note this still doesn't
>give any data as which team is better).  If AZ crushes (no way!) UW, then
>the data indicates Miami is much better than UW. 

This associative property stuff is getting out of hand.  How generous of you 
to say that if UW loses to AZ can have #1! You're so gracious... I don't think 
it'll be theirs to give if they get beat.. by any margin.. by anybody! 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:30:04 GMT

In article <tlm1.718841648@Ra.MsState.Edu>, tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes:

> Good luck against Florida.  I hope Auburn makes ole Shane Matthews look as
> bad as he did here in Starkville. :)

Thanks!  We'll need all the luck we can get.

I hope Pat Dye taped the MS-FL game.  I wonder if he can afford ESPN?
;-)
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:58:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) wrote:
}
}Also, what games are televised every year no matter what?
}  Tennesee-Alabama ?
}  Auburn-Alabama ? 

Auburn-Alabama has been on national TV every year since 1981, and on 11
occasions prior to that.

Alabama-Tennessee has been on semi-national (network, ESPN, or WTBS) TV
every year since 1985, and was also the first regular season game 
televised in the South, in 1951.  

I think another important quality for great rivalries is balance.  I would
dock Texas-Texas A&M for being too lopsided, for instance.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
From: hiegel@cac.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's.....
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct7.153951.20228
Organization: UW Computing

I believe Drew Bledsoe from Washington State started as a true freshman.  He wasn't really an impact player that year, but he certainly is now.

-Brian