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From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu (Ryan K. Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Emplant Thoughts...
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 18:23:01 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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   Last night, I downloaded and viewed the pics of Emplant.  I too
have heard all the rumors etc. and was looking forward to this product.
But after seeing the board, I guess I'd like to know what all the 
excitement is about.  All it looks like is something to read just
about any ROM on the market, act as a SCSI controller and have
AppleTalk ports.  I know that other emulations are promised, but I
really don't see how else this is any different from A-Max II+.
  How will ROM reading help with emulating a IBM?
A BIOS with 8086 code would be slower than things like IBeM and PC
Task since they have an "emulator" BIOS written in 68k.  Also,
whats the deal with SNES and all these other promised emulations?
In the case of SNES, how can this board help to duplicate things
like hardware scaling, that could NOT be accomplished in software?
	Another thing that is weird is using DCTV for better graphics
modes available on othe machines.  Encoding bitplanes into DCTV
chroma/luma deltacompression just can't be done at any reasonable
speeds.  Also, DCTV isn't pixel-accurate enough to be used in place
of an RGB display,  Text smaller than 30 pixels tall or so is
very hard to read.
	I'm I missing something here?  I don't really mean the bash
UU or Mr. Drew,  he hasn't said anything wrong, I think I must 
just be mislead by all the rumors floating around, I expected to
see a board that would help support emulations of many things, instead
it appears that the genius of emplant must be in software, which
makes me worry about speed on non-68k platforms. (there's a run on
sentence for ya).
	
Anyway, about the pics (in case you haven't seen 'em):
It appears that EMPLANT (hardware)
has several 6522's -can't be sure, HAM kinda sucks (these ICs
basically supply lots of i/o ports with a few other goodies),
a UART (DUART or some spinoff) for AppleTalk, lots of ROM sockets
for reading ANYTHING (through the 6522's?), and a SCSI controller.
 
I believe that A-Max II+ has ROM sockets just for a mac, AppleTalk
and Drive Speed Control hardware.


Just my $.02.  Remember, I am not bashing Mr. Drew, his product
is far superior to anything else out there _now_. 

So what am I missing (I am really opening myself up to be flamed,
but I'm a potential buyer too and I want to know what's up) ?


Ryan Brooks
2575Brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Mac emulation & color - a fantasy?
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:53:17 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue  1 Sep 92 16:29, Charles_holt@a68k.denver.co.us (cha
wrote:

 C> task??  As far as DCTV is concerned - I subscribe to the DCTV mailing
 C> list,
 C> and the moderator has spent numerous hours over the past year or so
 C> trying
 C> to "reverse engineer" the DCTV unit trying to figure out just what
 C> makes it
 C> tick, and what the actual format is of the IFF files that DCTV uses
 C> (Digital Creations has not yet released that kind of information), he
 C> has
 C> come along way, and even has a library that will allow you to draw to
 C> the
 C> DCTV device from within your C programs, but he is leaps and bounds
 C> away
 C> from actually being able to re-direct WB, or any other app for that
 C> matter,
 C> to the DCTV unit.  If he has spent so much time with DCTV and hasn't

?!?!!!??!  Digital Creations has LONG had a library out where you can write
to the DCTV format. They just don't have one where you can READ from that
format.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: AMOUSE, A2286, Dos 5.0 Shell
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 04:10:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>  ANYWAY.. even after having AMOUSE run before dosshell is loaded, it 
>doesn't recognize the mouse.. even if I Left-A-P'd it before loading. .

From reading the ms-dos newsgroups I have learned that DOS Shell has
internal mouse drivers (dumb, eh?) which will conflict with off-brand
drivers like AMouse.  You need to get DOS Shell to stop using its
internal driver and use the normal one.  I don't know how to do this,
but try posting in an msdos group and see what youg et.  :)

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From: eickler@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Andre Eickler)
Subject: Access to KCS Power-PC partitions from AmigaDOS?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:42:48 GMT


Hi there!

Does anyone know if it is possible to access partitions of KCS Power-PC
from AmigaDOS, e.g. for doing backups?
We tried fiddling with mountlist entries a bit but they did not work 
(CrossDos). Can it be done with msh?
The drive in discussion is a Supra-Drive (Quantum 105LPS) with 
supradirect.device.

Thanks,
Andre
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Testing is hard (was Re: Emplant)
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:16:16 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue 25 Aug 92 22:39, Wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (art Warn
wrote:

>I have a Mac Quadra 700, and I run System 7.0.1, System 7 tune up, and the
>latest version of Adobe Photoshop. If I turn on my system and do a quick
>run-through of the finder and Photoshop, I can pretty easily fool myself
>into believing that everything is working 100%. However, if I scan a
>picture and then select a different Appletalk printer in my chooser, I
will
>bomb the machine, every single time.
>
 WW> So, would you suggest that *NO ONE* buy a Quadra simply becuase you
 WW> had a
 WW> couple of "querks".  I think not.

Yeah. That's the point I was trying to make. Exactly. Sheeehya Right!
I was trying to say that there are potentially fatal bugs hiding in places
that you will not find on a brief inspection. I won't buy a product that
has not been adequately tested.

Let's not forget UU's less than sterling record in the software stability
department either... Nothing less than a thorough work-out over the course
of several weeks, in a production environment will satisfy me that the
product is ready to deliver.

 WW> I think what most people are wanting to know, and a few people are
 WW> not
 WW> comprehending, is that we want to know DOES THIS THING EVEN EXIST!!!!
 WW> DOES IT DO ANYTHING REMOTELY RELATED TO EMULATING A MAC!

Don't shout. It's rude. I am a sceptic of UU's claims for the Emplant, but
I am quite sure they have something that will remotely emulate a Mac. I am
also quite sure that the first buyers of that product will be paying for
the priveledge of being beta-testers.

 WW> I am most confident that we'll find bugs throughout any product's
 WW> useable
 WW> history.  Layoff the thorough testing until we at least know that it
 WW> exists.

No. Let's assume that Jim Drew ISN'T crazy, and that he has not been
sending faxes all over the place for an imaginary product. Let's assume
instead that this thing has more bugs than a Lumberton front yard. Let's
assume that this thing needs the crap tested out of it BEFORE it is
released so that we do not have a situation like the Sybil again.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: ldtaylor@tbag.tscs.com (Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: When is Emplant comming out?????? PLEASE !!!!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:51:37 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

ON The EMplant:
  According to all sources, the Emplant received FCC Approval on August 24, 1992,  and is currently waiting to debut at the World of Commodore show before shipping; HOWever, UU is taking orders, and is prepared to ship ON THAT DATE.

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Testing is hard (was Re: Emplant) 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:20 GMT

From what I've heard of Emplant (from a dealer at a reputable and fast-growing
Amiga store (which will not be named...)), Emplant was pulled from its expected
release time in July to undergo a MAJOR rewrite of the entire circuit board, 
which will result in more complete and easily added emulation for the higher-
level MAC II machines, as well as many other platforms which will follow when
re-testing is complete. It was supposed to be sometime in August, but obviously
that won't be happening. Look for it Real Soon Now, tho.

Hey... we waited 3 years for the Toaster. Sometimes, it's worth the wait.
From: Jdrew@nesbbx.rain.COM (**)
Subject: Re: Mac emulation & color - a fantasy?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.19 8/23/92 (Beta)
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:19:59 PST
Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System

In <1992Sep2.150410.42728@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> > Yes, I am working on an AmigaDOS device driver so that AppleTalk
> > (LocalTalk for you new MAC people) can be accessed as a standard Amiga
> > device.
> > 
> >  
> > Jim Drew, Vice-President
> >           Utilities Unlimited, Inc.  1641 McCulloch Blvd Suite #25-124
> >           (602) 680-9004             Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
> >           (602) 680-9006  FAX        (602) 453-9767  BBS
> 
> Will it be SANA-II compliant?
> -- 
> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
> James Miller
> 
> _chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
>              Life Happens?
If I can find real specs, then yes.

 
Jim Drew, Vice-President
          Utilities Unlimited, Inc.  1641 McCulloch Blvd Suite #25-124
          (602) 680-9004             Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
          (602) 680-9006  FAX        (602) 453-9767  BBS
From: dvaz@dvtown.UUCP (David Vazquez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re:  Emplant passed FCC
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:24:07 CST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Aug29.031540.10769@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner) writes:
>showing it off.  I am getting quite tired of waiting.	Why announce a product
>before it is ready to be shipped?
>

So that everyone will have saved up enough money to buy the product if and
when it does ship.. :-)

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From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Mac emulation & color - a fantasy?
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <Charles_Holt.0gsu@a68k.denver.CO.US> Charles_Holt@a68k.denver.CO.US (Charles Holt) writes:
>I suppose the new BLAZEMONGER (TM) wonder emulator does that, but I'd prefer
>something slower. :)  (NOTE: If you did not get the last joke, ignore it..
>don't ask questions about this new BLAZEMONGER, it does NOT EXIST)

	It doesn't???

                                                        Dan

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From: Jdrew@nesbbx.rain.COM (**)
Subject: Re: Mac emulation & color - a fantasy?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.19 8/23/92 (Beta)
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:27:05 PST
Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System

In <Charles_Holt.0h1u@a68k.denver.CO.US>, Charles_Holt@a68k.denver.CO.US (Charles Holt) writes:
>    Well, I finally got the pictures of the Emplant board (nothing
> spectacular).  What I think myself and many others would find much more
> enlightening would be some screen shots from Emplant - the user interface,
> some shots of it running on any 24-bit boards, anything that might tell us
> more about what we're dealing with.
>    How good is the display on a Firecracker 24 card?  If I was to set the
> display from the Amiga next to one from an actual Mac with a 24 bit card,
> would there be a noticable difference?  
>    A user on my BBS poses the following question:
> "...if he can make his emulators run a GUI environment from a different
> platform, why can't makers like DMI/GVP/etc... get our very own GUI
> (workbench) running on their own board specifically designed for such a
> task??  As far as DCTV is concerned - I subscribe to the DCTV mailing list,
> and the moderator has spent numerous hours over the past year or so trying
> to "reverse engineer" the DCTV unit trying to figure out just what makes it
> tick, and what the actual format is of the IFF files that DCTV uses
> (Digital Creations has not yet released that kind of information), he has
> come along way, and even has a library that will allow you to draw to the
> DCTV device from within your C programs, but he is leaps and bounds away
> from actually being able to re-direct WB, or any other app for that matter,
> to the DCTV unit.  If he has spent so much time with DCTV and hasn't gotten
> very far, then why is it My. Drew and his cronies all of a sudden have DCTV
> device drivers for their emplant device??"
>    Note, I don't necessarily agree with him here, but they are some good
> questions.  Perhaps you can enlighten us a bit (I hope so, because it took
> me quite a while retyping his post.. :) ).
> 
> 
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995
> 
 
Well, first of all the people at Digital Creations allowed us access to
their libraries which we dissassembled.  Secondly, if we can make an Amiga
into a MAC, why couldn't we have the skills to draw to a video device?
 
We dont re-direct images to a workbench screen.  We open our own screen
for our MAC emulator.  Re-directing a workbench screen to a DCTV display
would be a fairly simple hack, similar to things like bugs eaten the
workbench or workbench lander.

 
Jim Drew, Vice-President
          Utilities Unlimited, Inc.  1641 McCulloch Blvd Suite #25-124
          (602) 680-9004             Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
          (602) 680-9006  FAX        (602) 453-9767  BBS
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From: cpw8034@zeus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: Re: Where's Jim? (was: Emplant Pic - Request!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:22:00 GMT

In article <10667547.121.715406407@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes...
>Okay!
> 
>Jim's spoken.
> 
>How about giving him a break until the World of Commodore show.
>Get your ticket and grill him in person if you like.
>Call him a liar, cheat, etc... in person if you want.

Oh give me a break man!  I've heard whinings like this since the ol'
'okay now, Jim's given a due date by the blah week of blah month... now just
 hold all of your criticism until then.  When that time comes and there's
 no emplant, you can start bitching.'

un huh.  I don't doubt for a second that emplant exists and will come out
eventually, but as far as a stable and ususable product, I don't know...

>Forgot about Sybil.  It's past history...  Amax II+ is a pretty good 
>product.  Do you remember how lame Readysoft's Commodore 64 emulator was?

There's already a ton of threads about UU's track record here so I won't even
touch it.  As with the c64 emulator, that is different.  Readysoft delivered
everything it had promised.  Sybil on the other hand... well.  I understand
that sybil has been working okay now though after x years.

alan
From: givler@bermuda.cbm.commodore.com (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: A2286 and A3000 HOW DO U GET TI TO WORK?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:40:10 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <78750@ut-emx.uucp> violator@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Violator) writes:
>I have plans to buy a 286BB for my A3000 but I wouild like to to how
>to get it to boot.  I have tried it once before but I am not sure on how
>to do it.  I know ti has been done so can someone please instrruct me on
>how this is done?
>

I realize that the prices on the 2286 BB are very inviting, but if you can
swing it financially I would recommend that you get the 2386SX BB. Either
way under 2.0 you will have to add the line:

run >nil: enforcer quiet

before your binddrivers command in your startup-sequence. 

>I would also like to know where I could find Janus 2.1 and how much 
>better it is than Janus 2.0.

The easiest way to get Janus 2.1 is to purchase a 2386SX BB it comes with
the software. Otherwise you have to get it from your dealer, who will have
to order it from Commodore. Janus 2.1 Enhancer kits have not been released
anywhere at this time, to my knowledge. So you would have to order the
stuff separately. You need to order the AmigaJanus disk, the PCJanus disk
either 3.5 or 5.25, they have different part nos. Your dealer should have
the part numbers available. Also you need the Manual, which basically 
explains the install procedure and the differences from 2.0 to 2.1 Janus.

>
>Any help would be greatly apprecitated.

Greg




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From: kopackm@lonex.rl.af.mil (Michael A. Kopack)
Subject: When is Emplant comming out?????? PLEASE !!!!!!
Organization: RL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:17:48 GMT



Well, I think the title just about says it. It was said on the Net a few
weeks ago that somebody called Utilities Unlimited and spoke to a secretary
who said they'd be shipping on the 15th of August. Well, it's the 20th. Are
they a commin' Mr. Drew???? I'd really like to know. I've tried to be extremely
patient and defensive of this product, but it's getting harder and harder
each day to feel that this thing isn't just vaporware. Are you STILL waiting
for FCC approval???

--Mike Kopack

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From: v041555@zeno.lsvl8.stortek.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: 2088 and general 2000 problems.HELP
Summary: weird amiga problems
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:13:57 GMT
Organization: StorageTek

PLEASE HELP ME!

I recently purchased a used 2000 with a 2088 bridgeboard,40MB MFM hard drive,
rev. 4.2 motherboard, old chipset(512 agnus, 1.2 rom, etc.), and I am having a
few problemos.  My 500 has never been this weird!

1> Is it possible to boot the PC side from the hard drive?  I have dos 4.01
with the system files, etc. installed on the HD, but unless I have a 5 1/4
floppy in the drive, it gives me a boot disk error and won't come up.  All the
floppy does in autoexec is cd to the c drive and run its autoexec. ???

2> Boy, I'm just complaining out my ___.  The original manuals I have for this
2000 are so archaic, the schematics show the old DIP agnus!  How can I get a
manual/schematics for my 4.2 2000?  If anyone could tell me the function of all
the jumpers and header pins on the 2088 and 2000 motherboard, I would be most
appreciative!

3> One last thing.  After setting the system clock, I pull up the clock on
workbench(1.3) and the second hand is frozen.  No seconds ticking away.  Is the
battery for the clock just hosed, or is something worse wrong?  Could this be
why SYSINFO says my machine runs at 0.00 times the speed of a base a1000?!
My 500 registers 1.13 with the same program.

Strange things going on in this box.................

Email or post any responses or suggestions.  Much Thanks ahead of time...
Ken Franzel
P.S. I need to get this 2000 running stable so I can sell off my A500 to make
back some of this expense and do some upgrading!
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From: Vince@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Vince Koh Kia Keng)
Subject: Re: Mac emulation & color - a fantasy?
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:52:12 GMT

In article <Jdrew.09m0@nesbbx.rain.COM> Jdrew@nesbbx.rain.COM (**) writes:
>In <l9uu82INNob@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, levi@cs.utk.edu (David Levi) writes:
>> Emplant is supposed to support DCTV, but does this support come with the
>> board, or is it an extra.  Also, how fast would it be?
>> -- 
>> -Dave Levi     levi@cs.utk.edu
> 
>Yes, EMPLANT does support DCTV and the majority of the 8bit and 24bit
>boards out there.  The screen updates for DCTV (and all other video
>boards) is done in real time (60 FPS).  
> 
>ALL of the video device drivers and update software for each emulation
>module will be available on our BBS at no charge.
>
> 
>Jim Drew, Vice-President
>          Utilities Unlimited, Inc.  1641 McCulloch Blvd Suite #25-124
>          (602) 680-9004             Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
>          (602) 680-9006  FAX        (602) 453-9767  BBS


	By 'majority of the 8bit and 24bit boards', do you mean the new
Opalvision graphics board as well?

-Vince
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