HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ben@netcom.com (benny f. p. sevilla)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:54:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct9.174316.19200@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.193709.25481@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>[About the OCA's little Nazi initiative in Oregon]
>|
>|Shyeeah. Let's lighten up, everyone. Measure 9 is going down in
>|flames. I, for one, grok a great wellness.
>
>   But don't let this grokking stop anything you can do to keep the anti-evil
>forces going until the election.  There's still 4 weeks left, and *anything*
>can happen, up to and including the OCA fabricating a homosexual conspiracy
>to scare voters over to the side of Satan.

	I agree.....  unless the election is over, noone can expect the
	outcome of this election.

	I figure that if the Concord tapes haven't arrived yet; it will
	and this is a great persuasive tool to the uninformed;  If they 
	have arrived and the result of your polls still looks good then
	maybe, just maybe, you can start feeling good - without the
	complacency that goes with it.

>
>   Relaxing now could doom Oregon.
	
	Before you relax, remember the elections of the late 70's(e.g.
	Anita Bryant's Florida, the St. Paul election, the San Jose/Santa
	Clara votes) and  the infamous Concord Measure M.  With the exception
	of the San Jose.Santa Clara elections, all the polls showed we
	were winning, but the opposite happened.  The bigotry(lie) factor
	is bigger than most of us think.

	To put a lighter side to this, the bay area has gone much more
	tolerant in the 90's; even San Jose is much more progresssive now.
	but still, the influence of the TVC is still strong everywhere else.


	
>                 __
>   david parsons \/ orc@sybase.com, if you're lucky




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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:04:03 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
> In article <1bckijINNt43@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu
> (Gary Byma) wrote:
> 
> > I was a bit surprised to read Jason Priestley's name (and a little
> > pleased) but I'm not sure if I can believe it. Has anyone else
> > heard this, or is it just a rumor?
> 
> This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
> the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
> is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...
> 
> Singer?  Actor?  Sports celebrity?  
> 
> Icon?
> 
> Melmothra, ACC

He's too pretty, Melmothra.  You wouldn't like him.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor <> Long Beach, California
[] mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us <or> mikebat@qdeck.com
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bush does some detective work
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:51:18 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA


  As if we didn't already know that George Shrub is a despicable
swine, I has watching a re-broadcast of Larry King Live last night
and something really caught my ear when I was listening to it:

>     CALLER: President Bush, I'm a gay Army captain who is 
>  still in the US Army Reserves. Today a Navy seaman on the
>  USS Constellation was given other than honorable discharge
>  for being gay, despite the fact that he had an exemplary
>  service record and no evidence of misconduct.
>     This type of discharge is going to follow him for the
>  rest of his life. And my question is 2 parts. Can you
>  explain how he and I adversely affect the morale of the
>  military that you're in charge of?
>     And number 2, how do you feel about this type of punitive
>  discharge as commander-in-chief? 
>     BUSH: Well, I'm not sure I know the case, but I do know
>  that I support the military's problems on gays in the
>  military. And if the military comes to me with a changed
>  recommendation, I'll consider it, but I back the military
>  commanders and I back those who have lived with this
>  problem, struggled with this problem. And so I don't
>  know--if you'd give me your name and serial number here,
		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [!!!]
>  maybe we can look into the case. But I--
>     KING: If you--we're going to put you on hold and we'll
>  get to the president.
>     But the 2d part of his question was, do you think someone
>  should be dishonorably discharged if the only fact is that
>  they are gay?
>     BUSH: I think it ought to be looked at on a case-by-case
>  basis, Larry, and I support the military. I make no bones
>  about it--
>     (Applause)
>     --and I have a very different view than some have on
>  service of gays in the military. And I support what our 
>  military has recommended to me, and I will stay with it. And
>  that does not make me discriminating. It makes me backing
>  what we need for military discipline and military order.
>     KING: How about gays in government? Do you have any
>  qualms about it?
>     BUSH: No.
>     KING: None at all?
>     BUSH: I'm sure we have some. My answer to that is, how
>  would I know? We have no litmus test. None at all.

   I couldn't believe it when I heard it the first time, and then
I found this transcript. The president is actually trying to entrap
somebody on live prime time TV! And then he says that it's not 
discrimination. What Chutzpah! 
   Barf.
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:00:28 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) wrote:

>> In article <mattm-091092160327@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
>> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> Addressing all those who happen to be older than you, you
>> remarked: "We shall bury you".  Given what else was going on
>> in the group at the time, I considered that an unbelievably
>> insensitive and unpleasant remark, and said so.  I'm not
>> likely to forget the effect it had on me. 

>> I've no idea what you're really like as a person, Matthew,
>> but the impression you convey is not a pleasant one.  If
>> that's your intention, you've succeeded admirably.

>Well, then, perhaps I'm an *icon*, too...

	Um...

icon \'i--.ka:n\ n [L, fr. Gk eiko-n, fr. eikenai to resemble] [LGk eiko-n, 
   fr. Gk] 1: a usu. pictorial representation : IMAGE 2: a conventional 
   religious image typically painted on a small wooden panel and venerated by 
   Eastern Christians 3: an object of uncritical devotion : IDOL 
 
pa.thet.ic \p*-'thet-ik\ \-i-k*l\ \-k(*-)le-\ aj [MF or LL; MF pathetique,  
   fr. LL patheticus, fr. Gk pathe-tik]os capable of feeling, pathetic, fr.  
   paschein to experience, suffer - more at PATHOS 1: evoking tenderness,  
   pity, or sorrow : PITIABLE 2: marked by sorrow or melancholy : SAD -  
   pa.thet.i.cal aj - pa.thet.i.cal.ly av 


	Nope, reckon not.

	John, Matthew doesn['t care about the external image, because
1) he shields himself from seeing that part of him by assuming that
everyone else is inferior.  But the primary thing is that all is
overridden by the requirement that 2) Matthew be the center of 
attention.

	He apparently gets all of his validation from being noticed
by other people.  Since he offers little, he can't meet his needs by
other people's responses to him, so he works to get a reaction.
The easiest way to do that is to be an itch and provoke the rest
of us to scratch.  Since he can't remove the blinders (otherwise
reality creeps in) he can't give himself any emotional support
(see #1) and the cycle continues.

	Now, all we need is an e-antihistamine.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:56:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct7.152858.2353@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <6OCT92.18240579@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> *Record cold* 65F
>> last night!  Brrrrrrrr!
>Oh, right. As someone who hasn't had the sense to close his summer
>house yet (in October in New England!), I can say that I'd be quite
>delighted to see daytime *highs* of 65F (actually due over the next
>couple of days). Try getting up at 6AM when the outdoor temperature is
>36F, and the indoor temperature is not much higher.
 Oh, I do the same thing.  The nice part is that it *does* get warm 
here during the day, and at night it drops into the low 40's or the 30's
right now.  Last night was especially brisk with lots of wind and wonderful
cold breezes!  It meant lots of snuggling and having fun!
Flapjack

PS, it's a nice feeling on my nipple rings when the cold air hits them in the
morning as I get out of bed!!!


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Traditional Family Values
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:26:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <ldbtbeINNc8d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:
>I am truely looking for the 'TRUE' definition of "Traditional Family Values".
>
>Does anyone out there have information on where I can get this information.
>

In this morning's P-I was the perfect definition in the form
of a cartoon. It showed (anachronistically, of course) a
flailing cave man about to be fed to a nest of young
pterodactyls. One of the youngster is saying to a nest mate:
"We call it family values, as long as it isn't one of us."


-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Le Jojo on Poppers, the EEC and GATT
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:58:51 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct14.175805.24256@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> This is such a stitch that I felt I had to bring it to your attention.
> Look for Joe Francis's reply to the following question in the newsgroup
> sci.med:
> 
> 	From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
> 	Newsgroups: sci.med
> 	Subject: Re: Amyl nitrate
> 	Keywords: Amyl Nitrate Legality
> 	Message-ID: <1992Oct14.151107.13803@ircam.fr>
> 	Date: 14 Oct 92 15:11:07 GMT
> 	References: <1992Oct8.025349.5419@maths.tcd.ie>
> 	Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)
> 	Lines: 77

Merci beaucoups pour c'est post.

     Il est tres JoJo!
-- 

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From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Opening
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:33:56 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

No.  Not THAT kind of opening :-)

My department here at Sun in the greater Boston area is looking for a presales
tech support person (ie another one of me) who knows Sun software (and systems).  If 
anyone might be interested and wants more information, please contact me.  Not sure 
if this is the right use of this alias, but I am sure someone will tell me if it's not.

Howard

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========================================================================
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Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  9 Oct 92 02:46:34 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>More crap. Knowledge of Marlene Dietrich now represents an understanding
>of 'base cultural literacy.'  Perhaps fringe sub-culture literacy - but
>a pack of aging, withered intellectuals with sagging asses standing around
>in a room together *calling* something cultural legacy does not make it
>such. 

You're right: it's usually done in conjunction with magazines.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
It has become increasingly clear to examiners in recent years that candidates
are finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish between Art and Life.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:52:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.44197
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Oct16.073706.24882@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <44193@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>Sigh, this might be the second year in a row and only the third
>>winter since 1978 that I don't sport a beard.  However, the world
>>probably doesn't need another bright red beard from hell
>
>No, the world doesn't need people like Mark to look any more
>attractive. A beard would make you devastating.

You're just saying that because I licked your palm at Coming
Out Day.

Maybe I need that beard to hide from Robert...

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Summary: first postings and flaming
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:46:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: penguins on parade


my first postings on soc.motss were followed by thoughtful replies and
a heap of real nice mail (even from clay).  eventually i posted
something ill-thought-out and got sharp responses - not what i would
describe as flames, but more like the kind of hard truths friends
are willing to tell you.  this was useful.  undoubtedly it will happen
again.

my impression is that very very few new posters get blasted.  most get
very little response.  many get a very positive response.  or posters
just wander off on tangents, the way people do when they are talking.

my recollection is that hardly any new women posters get blasted.
ok, i was tough on cindy when she started to post.  that was then.

a relatively small number of guys who appear with a burst of
hot fireworks and brassy trumpets arouse a lot of counterfire.
some of them shape up - note masculine assumptions about how the
world works, in the phrase "shape up" - and some of them go away
angry and some of them stick around feeling aggrieved.  but the total
isn't big. 

the real question is why we let these angry and aggrieved guys consume
so much of our attention (giving some allowance for the possibility
that some of this anger and grievance is entirely justified).  there
are a lot of less powerful voices that we should be listening to.

try not to insist that someone has to push themselves into your
face before you'll listen to them.  just listen, and shut out the
noise.

arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:18:30 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>Now, could I have clarification, please,
>before I post in ignorance:

>> >I warned the RA that this would happen
>> ...
>> Were you being harassed previously and you took it up with the RA
>> who did nothing?

>RA means Race Adviser?

I would guess it means RESIDENCE ASSISTANT, that is, someone who lives with
students in the same dormitory, and is their local authority figure or displaced
parental substitute.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Further Butchification
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:34:43 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Oct9.155642.25527@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.150923.23624@macc.wisc.edu>
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> >Btw, I thought it was 52 peas; 57 is flavors, Heinz.
> 
> Jack Hamilton or Roger Philips, sticklers for such things

That's _Phillips_, bitch!

> both, will surely jump me if I fail to correct myself:

So you don't want us to jump you?  Huh!

[Just back from meeting Roger Klorese in the Coleherne,]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*autophoby* n. a shrinking from making any reference to oneself"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:08:46 GMT

[A Usenet Pal says something to the effect that it's hard for people to
become icons while living because they are too complex when living to
be built up to that level.]

I think that it's going to be hard for anyone to become an icon anymore,
because the press is much more voracious (I think) towards digging up
the dirt about stars than they were 40 or so years ago; newsreels and
prepared press statements and publicity stunts were the primary avenues
for learning about stars back then; the National Enquirer has replaced
those avenues, and its style of muckraking has become the norm for the
media as far as finding news goes. It's more honest, but it destroys
opportunities for iconicizing and makes it harder to keep a carreer
going untainted.

Just my thoughts,

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:58:22 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct10.222833.12322@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>I'm mulling (read: resisting) your notion about the
>suffering component in iconifications.  Obviously it
>happens, but is matyrdom in some sense required?  I don't
>yet think so.

Matyrdom?  Sounds like what my long-suffering mother complains of when
I don't call often enough.

No, I admitted that pain/suffering/etc. may be one aspect of what makes
one an icon.  I don't think it's necessary.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:19:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

> Today we learned that Greg Parkinson and Arne Adolphson
> graduated high school the same year that I did. I believe Melinda
> did, too, and Mr. Cr*mer as well.  

Yes, I knew about ******.  I think Jack Hamilton graduated 
the year before us.  

Arne

----

So, why not just post birthdays with years and have a tabulated list?  Saves
on individuals posts. :-)  OK.  I hear you all asking.  4/9/64.  High School class
of '82.

Howard

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Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Thirty years
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:48:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) wrote:
>I hope it takes much longer than 30 years before #3 happens.  Never would
>be soon enough.  I'm not in favor of #1 either.
> 
>#9 is tricky.  If the function is to prevent war, fine.  If it's to have a
>big super-government that controls everything, count me out.  I've gotten
>to like the federalism model, even though it has problems. 

I definitely agree with you on 1, 3, and 9.

>#7 has happened already, hasn't it? 

I'm not sure.  I think NATO has always had an American military leader,
and our UN troops are under our own command also, if I remember.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:08:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BvtH5H.6zB
Organization: Open Communications Forum

schiles@us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles) writes:
>Jordan with complaints about the "sodomite" and "flaggot" banner.
                                                  ^^^^^^^
Suzanne,
  is this a typo?  I think it's kind of catchy myself...

-- Brent (proudly flying my flaggot from the front porch)
-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:11:08 GMT

In article <mattm-131092100827@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> Has *anyone* found *anything* that Arne
> does *not* know?

No.

[I figure I can get away with this, since I believe Arne is on an
airplane and unlikely to see it]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:08:28 GMT

In article <cornell.719120244@vivaldi> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
>I noticed that too.  I was wondering if it meant pro-virginity. 

Professional virgin, you mean?
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: M A D O N N A 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:03:04 GMT

Just the fact that Madonna is being discussed so thouroughly here should tell  
you something ...

By the way, has anybody seen the "Erotic" video?  I saw a clip and Madonna  
reminded me of Annie Lennox 10 years ago in the video for "Sweet Dreams (Are  
Made Of This)" ...

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:01:38 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>Have you tried a tanning bed?  My husbear swore that his nipple rings were
>"liitle minature shish-kebobs" the first time he tried a Wolff (sp?) machine.

Why didn't he just stick them in the Microwave?

So simple, just drill two holes in the door to put them through. Years
of fun await.
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss