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From: andrewf@syacus.acus.oz.au (Andrew Friedman)
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:59:14 GMT

brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>...
>Also, none of you seem at all concerned with the fact that wilful defacing or
>destruction of Australian currency is a Federal offence, punishable with
>either a fine and/or a jail sentence.

Just struck me that by destroying the notes, you're actually do us all a
favour (including the Goverment).  You reduce the amount of money that
needs to be backed by our gold reserves and start to correct problems
that have been caused by years of deficit-spending and over printing of
money. 

So the Goverment should actually encourage you to destroy (your own) money. Of
course, leaving it still identifiable as money does nobody a favour since
it costs to reprint it.

Cheers,

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From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: The $5 note
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:34:36 GMT

Hello Peter!

Friday July 24 1992 08:33, young wrote:

 y> I must confess that I have better things to do with my money than
 y> experiment to find ways destroy it !!!!!!

I do too normally, but it was the first new $5 I'd had... :-)

Regards,
Hamish


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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 11:31:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.054509.2208@newshost.anu.edu.au>, jaa101@gorton.anu.edu.au (James Ashton) writes:
> In article <u870191.711340273@bruny>, u870191@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Gavin Barr) writes:
>> A more acceptable way is just not to recognise the note as being
>> legal currency by refusing to accept it in your change.  As with
>> all money it is only any good if people believe in it!    When there
>> is growing active resistance to its use the Government is effectively
>> forced to replace it with something more accepted (the old note??).
>> 
>> Simple, but effective (& legal).

> But whether or not the note is legal tender is not for you to decide.
> My understanding is that if legal tender is refused then payment can be
> considered to have taken place.  I guess arguments arising from this
> would, in the end, (and after lengthy and stupid intransigence all
> around) result in a court decision that the note is legal tender.  You
> may be willing to miss out on all those $5 but I don't think may others
> will.

One easy way to receive your change is to ask for alternatives (2x$2 and a
$1 coin instead).  Also, if you do get a $5 in your change, and they don't
want to give you the coins, say you'd like the coins in your change for the
parking ticket machines...

QED.

Rod
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From: guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: CSIRO Tropical Forest Research Centre
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:55:56 GMT

bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding) writes:

>In article <gaojeng.712246673@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>>ABC TV reported the soon-opening tunnel is dripping salt water, which means
>>the concret will be coroded. Any comment?

>If the tunnel dissolves and/or doesn't solve Sydney's traffic problem,
>can we have our money back?

>	Ben.

Didn't I hear the tunnel project touted as Aust's biggest *privately*
funded engineering project?

Thank god for sellys clear silicon which even works on wet surfaces.

guy.

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: dave@philips.oz.au (David Torr)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:35:09 GMT
Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia
Subject: Re: Compulsory Voting
Distribution: aus

jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:

>u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:
>|> taso@munnari.OZ.AU (Taso Hatzi) writes:
>|> Presumably,
>|> >it's illegal to prevent someone from voting.
>|> 
>|> Ask the people who dynamited the bridge in to Jackey's Marsh in Tasmania
>|> to prevent greens voting in the local government elections a few years ago.

>And to balance this out, compulsory voting also means that after every election
>quite a few dead people are found to have voted, sometimes more than once:)

>Jon
>(distribution to aus.general only..)

Something that has puzzled me as a humble Pon who came out here 10 years ago. In England voting is compulsory and you can only vote at a designated booth.

Now as I understand the system here I could get up early on polling day and
drive around as many polling booths as I can and vote at each one. Now
presumably at some time they will find out that I did this and fine me - but they CANNOT find out how I voted - so if I vote for Mr X 20 times and he gets in 
with a majrity of 15 I might think it worth it - would they then have a repoll?.

There must be a better way - with compulsory voting you more or less have to
allow people to vote anywhere, I guess. Perhaps we should use computers?????
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From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: Compulsory Voting
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:10:12 GMT

>And to balance this out, compulsory voting also means that after every election
>quite a few dead people are found to have voted, sometimes more than once:)

Hence the old saying "Vote early, vote often" :-)
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Grand Keppel Island
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:53:36 GMT

Hello Rod!

Monday July 20 1992 12:26, Rod Swift wrote to All:

 RS> I have been to a couple of Queensland islands, and I think the best are
 RS> Great Keppel Island, Hamilton Island and South Molle Island.
 RS> Great Keppel is a great place!

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Really Rod, don't you think 25% original text with 75% signature (5:18) is a
little much? OK so I'm not much better myself with 50% original text but at
least might signature is only 6 lines compared to your 18, and I'm not counting
my signoff..

Regards,
Hamish


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From: jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie)
Subject: Re: The new $5 note and GA.
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:18:52 GMT

In <1992Jul23.234444.22438@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au> pclink@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick) writes:

>The paper notes (not just the $5) have GA stamped on them somewhere.
>Anybody find GA on the new $5?

The new $5 note would only have GA if it was designed by Gordon
Andrews, who designed the old set.  I don't think he did these - does
anyone know who did?
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From: jhr@gdwb.oz.au (Julien Harrison-Rogers)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:38:26 GMT
Distribution: aus

u870191@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Gavin Barr) writes:

>>campaign to deface the new $5 note, apparently being
>>orchestrated by extremist republicans.

>A more acceptable way is just not to recognise the note as being
>legal currency by refusing to accept it in your change.  As with
>all money it is only any good if people believe in it!    When there
>is growing active resistance to its use the Government is effectively
>forced to replace it with something more accepted (the old note??).


Sorry about getting involved,

but

What a WANK.

Two weeks ago the old $5 note got me $5 worth of fish and chips
Today the $5 note gets me the same amount. Its only  a form of exchange.

Why don't you focus your efforts to earning more of the stuff or
even help someone who has little such as the 10+ % unemployed !!


: )


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From: wkt@rodos1.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: 386BSD unofficial (sub)cache at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au
Keywords: 386bsd binaries bootables
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:30:50 GMT

I've grabbed to two boot images (dist.fs and fixit.fs) and the binaries
files for 386BSD 0.1 from kirk.bu.oz.au and placed them for anon ftp
on minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au in the directory 386bsd. Please get them from
minnie at any time - it might help take the load off kirk.

I won't keep these files on minnie for more than a month, so be quick!

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.235556.991@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au> guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter) writes:
>Didn't I hear the tunnel project touted as Aust's biggest *privately*
>funded engineering project?

I thought it was funded by the State and Federal government and a
private company was chosen do construction by tender instead of letting
the RTA or another goverment body do it.

I'm sure Brendan "Tunnel Lover" Jones will be able to answer both
questions definitively.

	Ben.
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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:35:12 GMT

In <1992Jul20.203116.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
   rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>One easy way to receive your change is to ask for alternatives (2x$2 and a
>$1 coin instead).  Also, if you do get a $5 in your change, and they don't
>want to give you the coins, say you'd like the coins in your change for the
>parking ticket machines...

Reminds me of a day a long time ago (when you couldn't fit
$10 worth of petrol into an empty tank) when I went to the
bank to take out $10. I was once a poor Uni. student.

When the teller asked how I'd like it, I said two 3s and a
four please. The teller jots this on the back of the
withdrawal slip, adds up the numbers opens the cash drawer,
and stops. Then grins ;-), apologises that they're all out
of 3s, and hands over two fives.

You've got get them early.
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From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.general,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:30:13 GMT

[lots of articles regarding how to deface/destroy/distort the new $5 note]

I really can't believe you lot!  Why is it that no one would even think about
how one could destroy a paper note, but as soon as a plastic one comes along
people start trying the most incredible array of "tests" on the note to see
how well it survives!

The things that people have done to the note (as posted here) are way *way*
WAY out of bounds on normal wear and tear a note would experience in one's
wallet.  So, the new $5 note doesn't take to well being attacked with ajax
and a scourer.  Big deal.  The paper note wouldn't handle it well either, but
no one seems to have bothered to try that and post about it.

The new plastic notes are being promoted as being more durable than paper
notes, not indestructable, so please stop wanking and trying to find all the
most contrived weaknesses with it.

Also, none of you seem at all concerned with the fact that wilful defacing or
destruction of Australian currency is a Federal offence, punishable with
either a fine and/or a jail sentence.

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From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: The $5 note
Date: 19 Jul 92 21:45:24 GMT

Hello Chris!

Wednesday July 15 1992 00:36, Chris Karadaglis wrote to All:


 CK> JJJ this morning had 2 people ring in and explain how the Queen can be
 CK> erased off the new $5 note. Apparently moisture and a thumbnail will
 CK> remove the eyes, and Ajax and a scourer will remove the whole head!

Well I couldn't get the eyes off with thumbnails, but you can get the whole lot
off with the end of a bread and butter knife... Also, it's not just the queen
that can be scratched off.... :-)


Regards,
Hamish


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From: wlmss@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: JapanAustraliaRussia Spacemining
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:01:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:peg:993300058:000:1429
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!wlmss    Jul 29 08:01:00 1992


   Japan Australia Russia Spacemining Project    (A seed proposal)

         Mining and processing within the biosphere is hazardous to
   the world because of the poisons liberated.  The option is to do
   this work in space where there are materials in abundance.

         No time is better than now to go about this task. Three-way
   cooperation between Russia,  Japan  and  Australia could turn the
   dream of prosperity from space into reality.  These three nations
   would then have assured resource security and prosperity.

         Russia has a fully developed heavy lift space industry.  For
   the sake of her people there is an  urgent need for food which can
   be provided by Australia assisted by Japan.

        Australia's farming sector could meet the challenge while Japan's
   high tech equipment would set the standard for virtual prospecting in
   space. This task is a dream shared by many people in all three countries.

         The effort would enliven the economies of the three nations.
   Russian rockets, Australia's food resource, Japanese high technology
   working together to invigorate the eastern hemisphere.
   ____________________________________________________________________

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: jaa101@gorton.anu.edu.au (James Ashton)
Subject: Re: The $5 note
Organization: The Australian National University, Canberra
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 05:45:09 GMT

In article <u870191.711340273@bruny>, u870191@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Gavin Barr) writes:
> >There was an article in yesterday's Courier Mail  (the
> >illustrious Brisbane daily)  about an underground
> >campaign to deface the new $5 note, apparently being
> >orchestrated by extremist republicans.
> 
> A more acceptable way is just not to recognise the note as being
> legal currency by refusing to accept it in your change.  As with
> all money it is only any good if people believe in it!    When there
> is growing active resistance to its use the Government is effectively
> forced to replace it with something more accepted (the old note??).
> 
> Simple, but effective (& legal).
> Gav

But whether or not the note is legal tender is not for you to decide.
My understanding is that if legal tender is refused then payment can be
considered to have taken place.  I guess arguments arising from this
would, in the end, (and after lengthy and stupid intransigence all
around) result in a court decision that the note is legal tender.  You
may be willing to miss out on all those $5 but I don't think may others
will.

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Newsgroups: aus.general,soc.culture.australian
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Insider info ref. Graduate Education in Australia
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus,usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:49 GMT

driver@vicorp.com (the driver guy) writes:

>* Can I assume that a degree from a UC, IT or CAE carries just
>  as much weight as a degree from a University?

To be frank, no, but the difference is a lot less than it is between various 
universities in the US. The main quality difference is in the undergraduate 
degrees; an EE degree from Monash is very theoretical, whereas one from RMIT
is more practical. This is not to say one is "better"; some employers prefer
one approach, others the other.

A PhD from anywhere in Australia is equally-regarded.

(BTW, most ITs and CAEs have now been merged with or converted into universities.)

>* Is there an accrediting agency for MBA programmes (in the U.S., business
>  schools are accredited by a nation-wide body called AASCB). Should I even
>  be looking for a parallel?

No. Each state accredits the universities and degrees, then the Federal Govt
(which funds them) keeps an eye on things. Australia really does not suffer from
the shonky mailing_box_university problem, that exists in the US.

>* Is there higher prestige attached to certain Aussie MBA programmes. Which?
>  (If this concept has no place in Aussie culture, I apologise. I have only
>  experienced the U.S. educational system. I, therefore, constantly try to
>  find a parallel. Here in the U.S., degrees from certain schools are
>  very highly regarded ... like Stanford, Harvard, Univ. Chicago ...)

Same here. The two highest-rated in Australia are the Australian Graduate
School of Management at the University of NSW, and the University of Melbourne
Graduate School of Management. The others are of varying quality, but all
quite good by world standards.

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:32:42 GMT

In article <gaojeng.712246673@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>ABC TV reported the soon-opening tunnel is dripping salt water, which means
>the concret will be coroded. Any comment?

If the tunnel dissolves and/or doesn't solve Sydney's traffic problem,
can we have our money back?

	Ben.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:58:31 GMT

In <1992Jul28.043242.10656@pta.pyramid.com.au> bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding) writes:

>In article <gaojeng.712246673@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>>ABC TV reported the soon-opening tunnel is dripping salt water, which means
>>the concret will be coroded. Any comment?

>If the tunnel dissolves and/or doesn't solve Sydney's traffic problem,
>can we have our money back?

I wouldn't give much for your chances.