From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:32:06 GMT

In article <Bxxr5D.6Cy@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
> Gregory Sroka writes:
>
>>Yes! A voice of reason. There are too many posts saying things like;
>>ND refused to play FSU at home because ..., or ND doesn't want the
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
              I meant at home of FSU   

>>Orange Bowl because ..., ND this, ND that.  It makes me think I'm
>>reading a supermarket tabloid! If you're gonna post a rumor, at least
>>give us the source, if you want to be taken seriously. 
>
> Greg - why did Notre Dame refuse to play FSU at FSU ?

Good question! That's what I'd like to know, the facts. The silliest
story so far was a lack of respect for FSU.  I doubt this. 
The best so far was the person who said probably due to the number of 
visitor's seats available. No one has mentioned that the Citrus bowl
people must have made the deal worthwhile for ND, if not for both.
Does anyone know if FSU officials had any complaints, or is it just
some of the posters here?

>
>>A bowl bid was declined by ND during the Faust era. I think it was
>>because invites were out while ND had a 6-3 record, but they felt
>>they didn't deserve it unless they won the last two games against
>>Penn State (I think) and USC. I believe this was the infamous USC
>>non-TD I mentioned earlier. I don't remember the PSU result, so
>>they finished either 6-5 or 7-4 and stayed home. I think this was
>>the 82-83 season. 
>
> I could be wrong but didn't ND go to the Liberty Bowl in 1983 under 
> Faust ? 

Yes Dec. 1983. (83-84). I was there! The temperature was in the 20's,
at most, with a wicked wind chill. Both offenses and the ball were
pretty much frozen stiff in the 2nd half, not to mention the fans.
Those southern open air stadiums have no weather protection!
We had no time to visit Graceland, :(, but some roommates brought back
this 'awesome' flourescent orange bust o' Elvis!!

> I just remember that one year I felt very sorry for East Carolina
> because after being down for a long time they had a good season with
> an 8-3 record and weren't invited to a bowl. The three losses were to
> the three Florida teams (FSU,Miami,Florida - NOT Florida A&M etc.).

Sounds sad, :(, I'd agree that EC deserved a Bowl game more than ND did.

> I think whatever year it was that ND went with a 6-5 record.

Hey, during the Faust years, that was a typical record! The Liberty
was his 1st bowl game after 3 seasons. He stayed for 2 more years and
gracefully resigned near the end of his 5 year contract. Then got 
the score ungracefully run up by Miami as a going away present!  
I can't remember if he went to the Aloha that last season, or if
I'm thinking of the 1st or 2nd year under Holtz. 

Anyway, I was definitely not referring to the Liberty Bowl season.
I think that in at least one of Faust's 'many' non Bowl years, things
were looking up, until the last couple of weeks. However, I could
be mistaken about whether an invite was declined, as Mr. Fleming so
rudely indicated. As I told him, I didn't keep a football diary,
darn! ;)

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Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
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