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From: adoyle@bbn.com (Allan Doyle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: 85 Vanagon For Sale
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:11:49 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman, Incorporated
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: adoyle@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I'll keep this short to save net time, call for details -

'85 Vanagon 4 speed, power brakes, power steering, 82K, (40 K on engine),
good interior, body, tires, etc. $5k, negotiable... located in Needham MA,
just west of Rt 128, 10 minutes south of Rt 90. We bought an automatic '90.

Allan Doyle (617) 449 5652 (8:30 am to 9:30 pm)

Allan Doyle                                        adoyle@bbn.com
Bolt Beranek and Newman,  Incorporated             +1 (617) 873-3398
10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138             USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: fff@microplex.com (Fred Fierling)
Subject: Re: Seeking Neuspeed chip
Organization: Microplex Systems Ltd.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:37:45 GMT

>In article <1992Sep3.020005.1517@rdr.com> randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd) writes:
>>
>>I'm looking for an upgrade chip for my 1992 VW GTI 16v.  I called about a  
>>bazillion places and finally got the local number for Autotech, who sells  
>>upgrade chips for $275.00.  I heard from a multitude of sources that  

What's the appeal of these chips?  If they provide higher horsepower, is it
at the expense of low end torque?  I mean there's no free lunch, right?
-- 
Fred Fierling    fff@microplex.com       Tel: 604 875-1461   Fax: 604 875-9029
Microplex Systems Ltd   265 East 1st Avenue   Vancouver, BC   V5T 1A7,  Canada
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: ptimmerm@kathy.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Timmerman)
Subject:  Re: fuel injector test
Reply-To: ptimmerm@kathy.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Timmerman)
Organization: Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:18:01 GMT

In article <PK16.92Sep13150601@mushroom.frc.ri.cmu.edu>, pk16@frc.ri.cmu.edu (Paul Keller) writes:

|> When I was done with all of this, I went to put the injector back in
|> the engine, and noticed that some gas had beaded up around the end,
|> which sounds like it needs to be replaced, but I would like to do a
|> full test anyway.

 mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) answered all his questions except this one.

This ussualy means you have a dirty or worn out injector.  When it sits, the pressure
will bleed down, causing your hot start problems.  So I'd say replace it for the
$32.00 it will cost you and get it over with.  You didn't mention the spray pattern.
On my quattro, the one that leacked gave only a partial cone pattern.  Now it runs
better, starts better, and has more grunt too.  The o-rings are cheap, so just do it!


Paul Timmerman
From: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Alastair M. Bor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Hard to open door.
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:13:35 GMT
Reply-To: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I have an '87 golf and one of the doors has become quite difficult to
open. (Ie: when squeezing the handle, something appears bent, and 
squeezing it all the way is not enough). This happened before on another
door (I know this is a common problem) and I took off the handle and
in the door I could see the item that the squeezgrip pushes down on. I
bent that up and it seemed to work. This time I bent up that item and
the door is still hard to operate. What is the official way to fix
the door?
-Alastair Bor
st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: 87 GTI overheating
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:48:07 GMT

CHeck your fan thermo-switch on the radiator.  Sounds like a burned contacts which either
stick on or make poor contact when closed.  This thermo-switch is in addition to your
regular thermostat mounted on the water pump.

regards, Mark  (mark@wdc.sps.mot.com)  Tempe, AZ.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: ivan@r-node.gts.org (Ivan Vojvodic)
Subject: FOX89 Radio Problems
Organization: R-node Public Access
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:52:29 GMT

Hi, VW owners,

Recently I've noticed a strange behaviour of my 89 FOX radio-cassete
player.  Namely, radio section sometimes loses its output [i.e.
frequency is displayed, but nothing is being heard], and it goes
like that in an on-off mode [i.e. you hear it, than you don't].
Casette player is working, so, I assume, it is not a power
[electrical] problem.

Anyone with a similar experience?  Can I do anything to prevent
this?  If this is a known failure, maybe you can share with me
and other netters whether it is worth to repair it, or is it
better to buy a new one...

Regards,

Ivan [the Terrible]



-- 
Ivan Vojvodic                              ivan@r-node.pci.on.ca
Mississauga, On.                           Canada
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Alastair M. Bor)
Subject: Re: Spotted: Unusual Quantum
Reply-To: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:31:57 GMT

I have a friend who owned an '86 Quantum 2 door hatchback... I know
they exist.... (In fact I once saw a taxi in New York City that was
a 2 door hatchback Quantum.... it was painted yellow and was an
official taxi (had the light on top and the sticker indicating the
rates on the door). 
The Quantum that my friend had was a really nice car, and he considered
it his favorite. Then one day a 16 year old nailed him in the rear
with his (the 16 year old's) mother's GMC Safari, but thats another story.
-Alastair Bor
st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Battery/Charging System Problems?
From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande)
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:31:16 PDT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA

In article <5535@dove.nist.gov> keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:
>
>This morning when i went out to start my car it wouldn't start.  I got in

Is your battery by any chance 2 years old?
Sounds like the classical "2 your old vw battery internal short
problem".

Go to Sears, have check the battery (they used to do it for free,
or refund the cost from a battery) and buy a DieHard. Gotten
good service out of those.

Jan

-- 
Jan

jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com		(work)
jan@lipari.usc.edu		(school, usually works, forwards)
From: IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Two Weird VWs---Help!
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:19:59 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

I am the ecstatic owner of two VWs... one is a '66 Beetle, the other
is a '68 Camper Bus.... and both of them misbehave.

Have taken the Beetle to several mechanics and each one tells me a different
story. Need additional opinions before I spend the $$$$$$$$!!
When applying pressure on the brakes, the first application sends the pedal 1/2
the way down and makes me exceedingly nervous, so I pump it quickly once and
then apply the brakes as normal. Have had pads, etc. all checked and they
are fine. Have had brakes bled and that didn't help. One mechanic
says it's master cylinder replacement time. Another tells me he can
adjust them and I'll be fine, for $15.00. (Very tempting to take the
$15 job and run, but very safe?)

Second Beetle problem, when starting from a stop, in first gear only, unless
clutch pedal is released very carefully, there is a shudder. Most of the time,
if you're paying attention, it's not a problem. Sometimes, if you AREN't
paying attention, it shudders itself out of gear. Mechanic #1 tells me that
the "tranny mounts are loose." The shuddering is ONLY from a stop in first
gear, so this one I doubt. Mechanic #2 tells me that I need a $300 clutch
job. Mechanic #3 tells me that he can do an adjustment on the tube that
the clutch  cable passes thru for $30. Another temptation.

Help! I'm a mere woman, know enough about the VW to keep myself out of
major automobile trouble, but am confused!

As for the BUS..... only 20,000 miles on rebuilt engine. New starter. New
battery. However, after driving from Phoenix to Tucson, the red light kept
going on. Stopped, a nervous wreck, checked the oil, had a COke, and drove
on again. Red light goes back off. Goes on. Goes off. On the way back from
Tucson to Phoenix, begins lurching, but only at speed limit. Slowing down
stops lurching. Could this be caused by the minor valve adjustment
the kid I bought it from says it needs?   Moot point at the moment,
since it now does not start. Ever since that monsoon rain the other
weekend. Turns over, sounds fine, just doesn't kick in. I'm assuming this
is just another one of those dumb Volks. things like moisture in the
distributor cap.

whine whine whine

Jo Namio

PS) am putting off the psychedelic paint job on the Bus until its RUNNING
From: dchill@sequent.com (Duncan Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: WANTED: VW CORRADO IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO
Summary: WANTED: VW CORRADO
Keywords: WANTED: VW CORRADO
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:44:17 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.

I am trying to find a VW Corrado.  I live in Toronto but am willing to
travel in Southern Ontario to look at a car.  Ideally the car would have
less than 60000 km ( 1990 model year ).  I am interested in hearing about
any for sale, 90 or 91.  I appreciate any help in my search.
Thanks, Duncan Hill (dchill@cansqnt) 519-369-9263
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: weber carb?
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:38:24 GMT


I have replaced the f/i on my '85 Jetta (1.8 ltr) with a Weber 32/36 DFEV.
That might be the carb you are looking at.  There is a cheaper and smaller
(32/32?) carb they fit to Fiats that I was warned against buying.  The complete
conversion kit for the Jetta was about $350.  The kit with the cheaper
carb was about $100 less.  Go for the 32/36 DFEV (The E is for electric
choke, the DFAV has a water choke.)

You'll need to buy a low pressure fuel pump, an inline fuel filter and
you should be able to use one of the existing fuel lines without
any problems.

--
Dave Burden                                      ______--------___
Digital Equip Corp - Alpharetta, GA             /|             / |
                                     o___________|_\__________/__|
burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com          ]|___     |   |=  ||  =|___  |"
                                    //   \\   |   |___||_///   \\|"
                                    |  X  |\-------------/|  X  |\"
                                     \___/ 1924 Studebaker \___/
					Special 6 Touring Car
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: sszeller@us.oracle.com (Scott S. Zeller)
Subject: Electronic Control Unit (ECU) problems
Summary: hard to start cold, hesitation, lack of power
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:36:55 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

All,

I posted about 6 weeks ago and got almost zip in response.  I've now got
additional data (though of what value, I am not certain).

To refresh, my '90 Golf developed the problem of not starting on the first 
attempt (when cold).  This began when I had somewhere around 23,000 miles.
Super unleaded exacerbates the problem; regular unleaded (87 Octane) eases
it, though not completely (and also poses the threat of gummed injectors).
Occasionally, on second start, the RPM's shoot to 2K before settling to around
1K.  Once started, the car often hesitates, threatens to stall, and has
generally low power until it's been driven for a few minutes.

To fix the problem, most (if not all) of the engine sensors were replaced as
was the ECU.  The problem reappeared within a day.

My question:  Has anyone else had similar problems? Perchance, have you had
	      the #%$#*!!?! recalled?

Enquiring minds want to know,
Scott
From: mtt@ESD.3Com.COM (Michael Throm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: opinions on a '89 Fox GL
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:46:28 GMT
Organization: 3Com Corporation

In article <ART.92Sep8140617@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.144717.29262@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> sparkie@uhura.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
>
>   Hi,
>
>   I didn't even know this group existed until a few minutes ago.  
>
>   I'm considering buying an '89 VW Fox GL with 38k miles on it.  I've got  
>   what I think is a fair deal.  What I'm interested in is opinions of the  
>   vehicle from a reliability standpoint.  How much time am I going to spend  
>   repairing this car?  What systems have been particular problem areas?   
>   Etc.
>
>My wife has an '89 Fox GL with 80k miles, and the car has been great.  No

 I also have an '89 FOX which I love.  It's coming on 45,000 miles.  No 
 problems yet.  The only thing it does is put out this white flakey
 stuff out of the heater vents when the fan is on past 2.  It's a great 
 defense from stopping my wife clicking her nails!  Stops that habit fast!

 The only question I have is whether I will have to replace the timing belt
 soon or is this just a problem with other VW's?

 Mike T.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: 195-60 HR-14s on an '84 GTI???
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:14:51 GMT

Additional data of tread width versus tire size:

			185-60		195-60
Yokohama AVS A+4          5.6"            5.8"
Yokohama AVS U+4          5.6"            5.8"
Yokohama A378             5.7"            6.1"
BFG Comp T/A R1           5.94"           6.23"
Yokohama AVS Inter.       6.0"            6.3"
Yokohama A509             6.0"            6.4"
Yokohama A008RTU          6.3"            6.5"

I would not suggest using the Comp T/A R1's or A008RTU's on the street, they 
will wear like crazy.  Great grip though!

Even with the same tire body size and wider tread, you still need to check
clearance to front strut lower spring perch when using cables/chains.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: diesel hard start
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:24:28 GMT


I would have the valve clearances checked and adjusted if necessary.  The
book recommends checking them every 15k miles, but I used to do them
every 12k on my '78 diesel Rabbit.

--
Dave Burden                                      ______--------___
Digital Equip Corp - Alpharetta, GA             /|             / |
                                     o___________|_\__________/__|
burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com          ]|___     |   |=  ||  =|___  |"
                                    //   \\   |   |___||_///   \\|"
                                    |  X  |\-------------/|  X  |\"
                                     \___/ 1924 Studebaker \___/
					Special 6 Touring Car
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: weber carb?
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:42:38 GMT


The f/i system on the '85 Jetta started messing up where the 5th injector
would fire at startup, but the other 4 would not kick in.  This left both
my wife and I stranded in parking lots more than was convenient.  We had
the system diagnosed and a few pressure valves replaced but the problem
returned.

We talked to a few shops and they all said, sure, bring it in and for $100
to $150 we'll diagnosis is again and recommend various $200 units to swap
out that *might* solve the problem.

No thank you.  For $400 I solved the problem, forever.  I also don't have
to worry about emission testing and it sounds a hell of a lot better
(intake roar) than it did before.  I'm still getting 25-28 mpg and I drive
the car hard.

I don't have anything against f/i, but I'm grateful there was a cheap and 
easy carb conversion kit available for this car.  It gave me an alternative
solution.

--
Dave Burden                                      ______--------___
Digital Equip Corp - Alpharetta, GA             /|             / |
                                     o___________|_\__________/__|
burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com          ]|___     |   |=  ||  =|___  |"
                                    //   \\   |   |___||_///   \\|"
                                    |  X  |\-------------/|  X  |\"
                                     \___/ 1924 Studebaker \___/
					Special 6 Touring Car
Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: I NEED 2nd CAR..$2-300..ADVICE?..SELLER??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:28:37 GMT


If you could help me out I would appreciate it very much.

I need to find a second car that i can spend about $200 or $300 on and not have
it sitting in the shop all of the time.

I was looking at an '83 Subaru GL (2WD) with 97k with a fair body/interior that
was sold out from underneath me for $250.

Please email me if you can recommend a particular vehicle or have one to sell.

I am partial to the two door hatchback style, but an open to suggestions!!!

Thanks a million-

THE HYPEMAN
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tewheele@iastate.edu (Todd E Wheeler)
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ON HONDA CRX (the Del Sol is here!)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:54:36 GMT

In <4efWntK00iUxM3oxIH@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>The Del Sol is *NOT* the replacement for the CRX. If it doesn't do as well
>as the CRX did, there WILL be a NEW (1994 model - coming in 1993) CRX with
>a modified front end, and a new engine coming out. If the Del Sol DOES do
>well, particularly the Del Sol Si's, then they will bring in the Del Sol
>SiR which is the *TRUE* Del Sol. 175bhp@7800rpm, redline@8200rpm. Automatic
>Targa top. Automatic rear windows (they roll down).

>I have a '90 CRX Si. Anyone know who (other than A-T engineering) makes
>turbo kits for em? HKS makes turbosystems for the old (84-87) CRXs, but
>noone else seems to make them for the new body style.

>I love that car.

>---

>Jeremy Toeman
>412-268-4199     (anytime)



>                 " Scobell --  We're not 'Schlag!! "



According to MotorWeek (on PBS) the Del Sol *IS* intended to be the
replacement for the CRX sometime in the near future.  

Also, I doubt that the automatic top will come to America at all, this option
is offered in Japan, but it would add at least 100 pounds to the car's weight.
This wouldn't help the performance of the car any... once the new engine comes
out, maybe performance difference would not be noticeable. :-)
I admit it would be a cool option, but it takes approx. 30 seconds to remove
and store the roof manually.

Still, a neat car...

Todd
tewheele@iastate.edu














>The message ended a while ago, this is just my signature. Have a nice day!
From: klein@napali.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Looking for 15" Previa wheels
Date: 12 Sep 1992 00:06:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: klein@napali.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: napali

It's time to upgrade tires for our '91 Previa, which has 205/75-R14
tires.  The only tires with significantly better performance seem to
come only in 70 series and below.  I know the '91 Previa LE came with
15" wheels, so these wheels do exist.

Is there anyone who has (and can part with) 15" Previa wheels, and/or
knows a place to get them (not dealer though)?  Motivation is saving
some cost: dealer says the steel wheels are $114 each.

Thanks ----

Mike Klein		{wherever}!sun!klein || mike.klein@Eng.Sun.COM
Sun Microsystems, Inc.	Mountain View, CA
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sho don't have problems..
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <10410.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) writes:
>timing belt replaced  (65k)

	was this something you just decided to do or was it required?

>and the battery replaced last week after it shorted out, and the car

	Yeah, i forgot about that Ford 13 month battery...

	Anyone know if it's possible to replace the toy foglights that
come on this car with something useful, or is what's there all that will
fit in the cutouts in the boy-racer plastic?
								wr
From: gurganus@sandbar.ecn.purdue.edu (J Gurganus)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Engine Mods for Ford 3.8L V6
Keywords: Ford Engine Modifications
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:16:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I recently bought an '89 Mercury Cougar LS with the 3.8L V6
(not supercharged).  

Are there any performance improvements that I can do to this
engine relatively cheap?  I've seen some articles here talking 
about replacing chips and stuff...is that possible for my engine?

Thanks for any info!

--
James Gurganus
(gurganus@ecn.purdue.edu)
From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANGLED LINES YIELDING SMALLER SPACES???
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:27:47 GMT
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems

Well, horizontally (across the screen) both are four characters.
However, the width of the space is NOT the horizontal spacing, but the
distance between lines PERPENDICULAR to the lines.  Remember, distance
between parallel lines is the length of a perpendicular between them
(geometry).

Here are some more pictures:

 ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
*    *    *    *    *    *
*    *    *    *    *    *
*    *    *    *    *    *
*    *    *    *    *    *

 ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
*    *    *    *    *    *
 *    *    *    *    *    *
  *    *    *    *    *    *
   *    *    *    *    *    *

 ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
*    *    *    *    *    *
  *    *    *    *    *    *
    *    *    *    *    *    *
      *    *    *    *    *    *

 ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
*    *    *    *    *    *
   *    *    *    *    *    *
      *    *    *    *    *    *
         *    *    *    *    *    *

Sure looks like the spaces are getting narrower even though they are
still four characters apart, right?  Isn't this obvious?

If the lines are at an angle of theta (from perpendicular), the
horizontal spacing is H, then the distance between the parallel lines
is H*cos(theta).  So, for a 30-degree angle, the spaces are 13.4%
narrower.  For a 45-degree angle, the spaces are 29.3% narrower.

Did you really take geometry?  :-)
--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas)
Subject: Collecting FORD-bashing acronyms
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:16:59 GMT



Okay, Ford haters. I'm collecting acronyms for FORD that describe the 

worst in them. You know the kind I mean:



       Fu*kin' Old Rebuilt Dodge

       Found On Road Dead

       Figure On Repairs Daily



Email me some more and I'll post the results.
From: dsivewright@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: NEED HELP - PARTS SUPPLIERS RESEARCH
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:24:18 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Does anyone have an idea where I can get information/resources concerning parts
suppliers in the U.S. and around the world.  Are there any trade magazines that
provide statistical data about who makes what where, who sells to whom, and who
is biggest, smallest, etc.   
Yeah - this is for a grad research project and No - I don't know shit about 
cars.
Anyone who can give me some ideas as to where to get started will have my 
undying appreciation and will have my first-born son/daughter named after them!
E-mail is best for me as I don't get to read the NEWS often, but feel free to
post all the flames you want to about grad students who are stupid enough to 
take courses outside their discipline.
Thanks to all kind souls in advance,
					DSIVEWRIGHT@VAX1.UMKC.EDU