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I agree with the previous responses about the ludicrous nature of the
charter operators insistance you pay half.  This is assuming that what
you say had been true.  You did not describe exactly where the
rip occurred.

The way a skipper could be liable for damage occurred with me once.
I was sailing on San Francisco Bay a 30 foot sloop.  The winds were
> 20kts, as is the custom most summer afternoons.  I had a single
reef in with a few reef points made up to keep the excess sail from
blocking the view of the helmsman (plenty of boats to worry about around
here).  The reefing outhaul went to a rotating jam cleat at the foot of the
boom near the gooseneck.  As it turned out, the outhaul cleat failed to
hold, the foot loosened, the tension went to the reef point which was not
designed to take >20kts, and I ripped a vertical rip in the main sail panel
from reefpoint to foot.

The charter outfit labeled it mechanical failure and absorbed the sail
repair, but I was expecting to get hit with some of the cost.  I benefitted
from their attempt to keep good will with the crew since all of us recently
graduated from one of their basic coastal cruising classes and were
participating in our inaugaral (sp?) cruise.

Plan on writing some magazines, and show the charter outfit a preliminary
copy of your letter.  I would expect they would mitigate their demands.
Good luck!

Joe Martinka
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From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Insurance Company Survey
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:52:22 GMT

My boat has been insured by Travelers for several years.
So far, I've not found any others with lower rates
(including BOAT/US.  I've never filed a claim with them,
tho, and wonder if anyone else has and what their
experience was.  So far, no complaints.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North      Gulfstar 37, aft cockpit
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Varnish/Stain Suggestions
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <711799883.F00001@ship.wimsey.bc>,
Hugh.Johnstone@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Hugh Johnstone) wrote:
> 
> 
> TR>I am looking for suggestions/inputs on durable stain and varnish
> TR>products.  I recently inherited a 1954 16' runabout made by Hollywood
> TR>Boats (Tacoma, WA).  Anyway, this boat has unfortunately been stored
> TR>outside for the last year and a half.  All of the wood needs refinishing
> TR>desperately.  I am asking for suggestions as to stain/varnish product lines
> TR>that can really bring this beauty back to life.  In addition, I would like
> TR>to find a product that will stand up to the elements with exceptional
> TR>durability.
> 
> The product you are looking for does NOT exist!! But all is not lost.
> Preparation for varnishing is extremely important.  Wood MUST be clean
> and DRY. Heavy sand to remove all traces of previous coatings. Continue
> sanding with finer grits up to at least 180 (preferably 220).  Wipe (to
> remove any dust particles with tack cloth or a rag lightly dampend with
> TURPENTINE (do not use regular solvent). Thin the first coat of varnish
> with solvent recommended by manufacturer by 20%.  This is to allow the
> coating to penetrate as deep in to the wood pores as possible. Thin
> second coat 10%, 3rd coat full strength.  Buy the best quality varnish
> available with the highest UV inhibitor.  Sand with 180-220 grit paper
> between coats.  Do not varnish in direct sunlight, or when windy (the
> varnish dries too fast).  Have patience to apply at LEAST 10 coats.  I'm
> starting to become a believer in the use of sponge applicators (as
> opposed to bristle brushes as they do not shed hair and they work well
> with a little practice.) Because no product will stand up indefinitely
> it will be necessary to sand and reapply to new coats annually.  Good
> Luck

This is all good advice, but avoid sponge brushes.  It is very difficult to
achieve
an even finish, as sponges tend to soak up more and more varnish as they
are being used,
resulting eventually in applying too much varnish, with sags and runs. 
Stick
to a good quality bristle brush, and clean it THOROUGHLY with paint
thinner between coats.The best varnish, of the six or so currently on the
market,
is Epifanes, with Regatta Plus 5 about the same.  These two definitely last
better
than Captain's varnish, Admirals varnish, Schooner, etc.  But above all,
six or seven coats are a requirement when refinishing over bare wood.
Regardless of what you use none will last through the summer with fewer
coats.

-Pete
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Olympics: Isler & Zabell PMS in w470s
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:05:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

According to today's NY Times, JJ Isler (US) and Theresa Zabell
(Spain) both took a PMS yesterday in Women's 470s.


There has been no other coverage in the Times. They have two-to-three
pages of results each day (including results for demonstration sports
and such barn-burners as badminton), but no yachting results.

Does anyone have any information? Is anything available in Europe?

dhs    spencer@panix.com
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Maud Dibs: In search of a golden girl...)
Subject: Re: Want info on C-15 and JY-15
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.022835.23039@reed.edu>, tim@reed.edu (Timothy R. Flanagan) writes...
>I am considering the purchase of a small one-design day-sailer. 
>I am currently considering two designs in particular:  The Coronado 15
>(or C-15), and the newer JY-15.  I am seeking recommendations from 
>sailors with experience on either boat.

There is a fledgling JY-15 fleet here in the inner harbor (personally, I
would race in the inner harbor in such a small boat). One person I talked to
was not impressed with the boat. He said there are very few controls, e.g. the
jib car position is fixed, and that the class rules restrict any modifications
so your basically stuck with the boat the way it is. His opinion was that you
might as well race a laser.

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
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From: cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes)
Subject: Re: Crew
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:37:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.044816.26362@muddcs.claremont.edu>, mhaines@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Haines) writes:
> In general, are people willing to crew on boats in races
> in conditions that would require a lot of time
> (either weekend after weekend, or long distance races) 
> in short supply or a surplus item?
> 
> I ask because I go to schoool in the LA area and am
> interested in crewing, but don't know how to go about getting in to it.  
> 
> I seem to have the usual"can't get any experience
> because I don't have any experience" problem.
> 
> --Matthew
> 

I had some friends in the same situation in Cleveland, they went to all
the yacht clubs and put up the following notice.

Do you like to sail?
Do you like to drink beer?
Do you need crew?
Well we drink beer, know nothing about sailing but want to learn to
crew.

Well they got what they wanted, seems this big C&C, 'The Zepher' was
looking for crew and took them on and trained them.

Another buddy of mine is in LA and he did a similar thing, only he
omited the beer part, and I think he is sailing out of the Treasure
Islsnd Navy Marina.  Give it a shot.

-Chris
cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
"Yah I'm a speed freak, thats why I have a Hobie 21"
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Olympics?
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:40:08 GMT
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Anyone hear how the Olympic sailing is going?  Sure can't depend on
the TV coverage for news here.

rob
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From: mike.federchuk@rose.com (mike federchuk)
Subject: Re: Looking for watch
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:38:42 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 07-25-92 03:33
WH|What I'd like to see some manufacturer come out with is a wrist-mounted,
  |digital, dedicated stopwatch (countdown). That's right. Only one function.
and
  |only one or two buttons. Bet they could do it for about $5. Then USYRU and
  |Sailing World mag. could give them away when you join or subscribe... How
about
  |inscribed with your boat name, for you guys too cheap to give the crew Lands
  |End jackets or shirts?

Hey, lets not forget the wrist-mount GPS! :-)

Regards,
Mike Federchuk              |
Burlington, Ontario, Canada |
mike.federchuk@rose.com     |
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From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:02:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Net opinion of Sobstad sails?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

 
   Does anyone know how the state (California) finds out to charge sales
tax on a used, documented vessel? Should I initiate this? Is there a penalty
for "just waiting"           

  On the insurance issue that Jeff Huntington posted you may want to check
the Lawrence Group out of San Diego. I  got a quote of $750 for worldwide
coverage on 70K of ageed value. For local waters it was about $600. I will
dig up the phone # if there is interest.

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From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: Olympics Sailing News/Results
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:53:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

On the mass PMS:

1. Why didn't people re-round? Are all races under the black flag
rule? Aren't they calling sail numbers?

2. Hasn't the committee heard of a general recall? If half the fleet
(including the past two world champs) is over, I'd sure call 'em
back.... Even if all classes sailing in the same start area (a
supremely dumb idea), it's not _that_ big a deal.

Can anybody get a copy of the instructions?

dhs   spencer@panix.com   Sonar 404
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: For Sale: Hunter 25, Sloop, Bay Area
Date: 29 Jul 1992 21:43:18 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

1975 Hunter 25 For Sale

In sailing condition.  Good sails (new '86), '83 Johnson 7.5 Sailmaster,
depth sounder, compass, VHF radio, Stereo, 2 good batteries, shore power,
charger, oversized anchor/chain/rode, new head, galley, 5 berths, new
cushion covers, no blisters.  Redwood City berth available.  I moved up
and can't sail 2 boats.  $2500 firm.

Go sailing this weekend.

Dudley Gaman
(415) 851-7135 (h)
(415) 688-9199 (w)
dudley.gaman@Corp.Sun.Com



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From: syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Cruise control for ski boat
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:17:16 GMT

In article <1683599AC.STU@mwvm.mitre.org>, STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>  
> Jay mentioned (above) that he disables the 4-barrel so that it does not kick
> in and out.  I've been tempted to do the same thing many times.  My
> son skies at about 3200 RPM on our MasterCraft (27 +- MPH).  When we have
> few people on board watching, that is just the point where the 4-barrell
> cuts in - and nearly pulls him out of the water.
>  
  Jay:
    This sounds about 5MPH off for that problem...  I've had problems
in the past with water in the carb causing problems.  On some of the
boats the fuel tank vent was in the transom, opening directly aft,
that would scoop up a few ounces of water during a sharp (U) turns.
    After removing the carb and dumping it several times, I finally
convinced the owner to drive a little straighter...

Willy
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:30:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul27.151437.24264@csclan.cs.com> CHRIS@csclan.cs.com (Chris Rousseau) writes:
>
>
>>I paid $185/month in South Beach Harbor, in a prime location in
>>San Francisco. When I was in South San Francisco, and kind of 
>
>What size boat could you safely fit in a slip at this rate?  I assume
 
It was a 30 foot slip.

>this allowed fairly ready access to the bay?
 
The best.

>In our case, we are just now getting fresh water and dependable 110v
>out on the docks.  It took them a couple of years just to get the 
>water working.
 
If a landlord doesn't provide the basics such as this in a 
residential development, a rent-strike ensues. And is protected
under law.

>                Then they show what appear to be inflated costs to
>the US Army Corps of Engineers (who control the lake and all the
>private concessioneers) when they ask for yearly rate hikes.

I assume there is a hearing of some sort?

>Our club has suffered measurably due to the increasing number of
>people who just cant see paying the marina for what they are(n't)
>providing.

Well, you have an association; for now, it's getting hurt. Why
not DO something?

>>Sound market-driven? You bet it does.
>
>Nail on the head.
 
So, try influencing the market :-)

>Our club officially has a good working relationship with the marina
 
Do you indeed? How is your 'working relationship' with people who
are stealing from you? This doesn't quite register to me.

>since the club is not intended or used as a collective bargaining
>organisation.  We are a sailing club.
 
Well, if you're unwilling to do something, I guess you deserve
what you get. If you're unwilling, as a club, to say "we shall
be relocating our boats," or "we shall be witholding rent," or
to go to a public hearing to challenge rate hikes, then obviously
you folks are the easy marks that the marina operators are playing
you for.

>                                     I was wondering if any of you
>might have personal experience in which strings are the best to pull
>in this type of situation? 
 
Find out who regulates the marinas in the Corps of Engineers. Form
a committee, make a case, and make it stick.

>                           Would an organization such as BoatUS be
>of any help?

Again, as a Boat-US member, I think I'd very highly favor directing
assistance towards groups who had demonstrated the willingness to
get organized and take action. If you don't want to do it as a 
sailing club, then form a separate "whatever Lake Marina Tenants
Association." But if you persist in saying "all we want to do 
is sail," then I'll respond "so pay your money and sail."

>I am intentionally not naming the marina or the club (don't want any
>accidental thefts or sinkings), but any readers from d/fw probably
>know who/what I'm talking about.
 
Then so do the Marina operators. And if you're that worrried, then
I guess you have a worse problem than you want to admit!
 
Greg
From: U13792@uicvm.uic.edu (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: rigging sheets thru life lines
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:20:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Jul21.202251.8295@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(daniel.c.mckibben) says:
>
>I am having difficulty figuring out how to rig the sheets on my 38' Jeanneau.
>
>What are the guidelines for locating the sheet turning block on the track and
>which way of rigging the sheets is better?  I see that some boats have an
>inner and outer track, but don't see any way to rig this on my boat.
>
>Dan McKibben                       dcm@hocpb.att.com
>

In general you want to the whole sail to luff at the same time. You need
telltales up on top of the sail, perhaps 1/3 of the way down from the head,
as well as a set lower (perhaps 1/3 up from the foot). As you're sailing along
luff up slowly and watch which sets of telltales break first. If the top
ones break first, the head of the sail needs to be flatter, so move the car
further forward. If the lower telltales break first, flatten the foot more by
moving the car aft.

The car generally needs to be further aft when you're close-hauled than
reaching. If you're a bit overpowered, you can intentionally twist the
top of the sail off by moving the car aft.

I suppose I'de lead the sheet whichever way works best on a particular
point of sail. On my boat, I tend move the sheets outside the lifelines
on a run, but definately inside on a beat.
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: problems with steering (sailboat)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:52:23 GMT

Dennis Bartley writes:

	David Walker says:

		I have a problem steering my sailboat while sailing at 
		45 degrees to the wind. The boat always trys to point 
		away from the wind. Most of the time I have to push the 
		tiller about 3/4 of the way over just to maintain a 
		straight course.  I might mention the boat is 15'long 
		4' beam. I built it strictly to the plans. It is rigged 
		with a 59sq.ft. sprite sail.  Any sugestions on how to 
		correct this problem are welcome.

	The problem is that the center of effort of the sailplan is in 
	front of the "center of lateral resistance" (the point around 
	which the boat turns).

(1) If the centerboard is a vertical dagger, you may have it in backwards.
The longer part should be aft.

(2) This is a sprit. Are you sure you don't have the sail upsidedown?

(3) Your seasting. Try moving for'ard. In light airs, sit on the lee
(away from the wind).

(4) Sheet in until the baot sails balanced. For 45 degrees off the wind the
sail will peobably have to be right on the quarter (back corner).

WOW! Its esier giving advice than taking it!!

							Fido
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Olympics Sailing News/Results
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:57:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BINJFBA Society

In article <l7googINN51q@west.west.sun.com>, chandler@tabasco.West.Sun.COM (Don Chandler) writes:
|> I'm not trying to attack you personally, but in general, the people who
|> criticize RC's are the very one's who could help improve racing.  The knowledge
|> that racers have of setting the line correctly, course selection, etc. is
|> invaluable, and, yes, we do get a lot of non-racers on race committee (like
|> we have much choice :-) ).  You will also learn a lot by taking the time to
|> spend a day understanding the difficulties the RC faces: people who don't 
|> register on time; currents/depths/wind that make anchoring impossible, let 
|> alone accurately; errors in sailing instructions made on shore, but that
|> have to be deciphered and dealt with on the water; etc. etc.
|> 
|> Well, there you have it....the opinion of a well-battered RC person.
|> Please don't take it personally, but I've been on a mini-crusade to get
|> more racers involved in race management.  My yacht club's current Race
|> Committee chairmen are avid racers taking their first cut at running
|> races, and have admitted to me several times that they never realized
|> what was involved, how easily things go wrong, and, actually, how much
|> fun it is!  Try it, you might like it!
|> 


What we do here is to "draw straws" at the begining of each series
(Spring and Fall) and chose an entrant in the series for each race to
provide the RC.  Each series is usually eight races so your chances of
getting sellected are low.  And yes there is a bunch of carping and
moaning but the rule doesn't require the skipper to actually be on the
RC just for him to provide the RC.  And if the RC is not there or fouls
up the responsible skipper is DSQ'ed if he was going to race so that he
might as well do his RC bit. Most folks just do the RC themselves and it
sure helps them learn that it isn't always the RC's fault that the wind
shifted 70 degrees 10 minutes before the start.

===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				       
M & R Software, Inc.
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.
From: davidh8@pogo.wv.tek.com (David Haight)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for Ranger 20 owner/info
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:04:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13191
Distribution: or
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


I need to contact an owner of a Ranger 20 or the Ranger 20 club.  
If anyone can help me, please email.



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From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:07:31 GMT

You folks might consider the Clear Lake area in Texas.  Slips here are in
the range of $1.50 to $3/foot, marinas are excellent with ample showers,
fresh water swimming pools, free twice a year haul/bottom cleanings, guards,
and monthly "neighborhood" parties.
 
Sailing conditions are also excellent, with generally very good winds all
Winter and good morning and afternoon/night winds in the Summer.
 
Why are the marinas so good?  Easy: waterfront housing and apartments with
free slips are available at inexpensive prices in excellent areas.  My home
came with 50' of deap water bulkheaded waterfront - and cost about $15k less
than a similar, but smaller and older, home in the Washington D.C. area - and
much, much less than a similar home in the L.A. area.
 
So, if you want good sailing (or other water sports), inexpensive slips in
excellent marinas (truly lovely floating concrete docks, storage boxes,
30 and 50A power, and locked gates), move to Texas.
 
The local tourist groups have even discovered they have waterfront!
Galveston, after years of using the bay as a trash dump, has begun construction
on a recreational marina for overnight boats.  It will be located right on
the Strand (the site of Marti Gras and Dickens on the Strand) and should be
lovely.
 
Cruising here is not as nice as the Annapolis area - there are a limited
number of places to go rather than the hundreds of harbors you see in
Annapolis, for example.  But the ones you go to are fine - nice people,
generally free dockage (with electricity!! all free), and good places
to eat.  The places that charge are about $1/foot/night and generally have
pools and hot tubs available to boaters.
 
So, pack your sails and bags, leave expensive and cold California and
come to Clear Lake Texas - and while you are here, visit the new Space
Center Houston - designed by Disney Imagineering.
 
-- sort of reads like an add for the Chamber of Commerce - but I'm not on
their payroll, must like the place.   /Stu  --
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