From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:42:48 GMT

In article 1447 <1aaofoINNj1b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> txt15@po.CWRU.Edu 
(Tao Tao) writes:
>My suggestion to richter is to wait for sometime before making and comments
>on the Tibet matter.  At least wait until these territory become independent
>country.
 
If you have something to contribute to the debate then do so.  Otherwise 
my suggestion is for you to stay out of it.
 
 
In article 1448 <liqiang.717804007@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
writes:
>Salute to India and China for respecting their neighbors' sovereignty.
>Salute to China for being able to maintain her integrity.
 
Hurray!
 
>China "annexed" Tibet in Yuan Dynasty. It is contraversial as to the location
>of the border of the "original country" called Xizang. What was the size
>of the "original country" called Canada?
 
Then why did China invade Tibet in the 1950s?  In 1991 the Chinese 
government proudly celebrated the "Peaceful Liberation of Tibet."
Invitations were sent by China's embassies to prominent politicians 
and government officials, but few accepted.  In fact one wrote to the 
embassy in Ottawa to inquire, "If China is celebrating the Peaceful 
Liberation of Tibet, then what, may I ask, did China liberate Tibet 
from?"  
 
>China has just announced plans to economically open up Tibet so that Tibetan
>residents (ethnic Zang, Han, Hui's, etc) can enjoy the same opportunity to
>prosperity as people of the rest of the country.
 
Are you so sure that Tibetans will benefit?  Chen Kuiyuan, Communist 
Party leader for Xizang since March 1992, has pushed out the few token 
Tibetans in the adminstration.  Gone are people (all communists) like   
Raidi, Baba Phuntsog Wangyal, Loga, and Gyaltsen Norbu.  
 
>>Why did 100,000 Tibetans leave in 1959?  Why are 100's more leaving 
>>every month?  Why was a Tibetan shot in Nepal trying to escape Tibet
>>as was reported in China News Digest last month?
>> 
>
>These figures need to be verified as your descriptions have been anything but
>accurate. 
 
There are over 100,000 Tibetans in India and Nepal alone (there are   
more in dozens of other countries), all either left Tibet or were 
born after the 1959.  Shall I give you the latest population figures for 
the various communities in south India, Assam, Dharamsala, Gangtok, and 
many other locales?  But why believe me -- you are free to travel to 
India to see for yourself. 
 
If I there is something about which I am not accurate, then provide 
refuting evidence.  
 
>Your term "Tibetans" has been too general. 
 
How so?  
 
In article 1449 <liqiang.717806030@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
writes:
>This guy thinks ethnic problems (which in practice no country has ever solved,
>though I agree to some extent that America does a better job) are as simple
>as "Let them go autonomous!" or "Let them 'vote'!". After you have seen
>what has happened to Bosnia, Crotia, Serbia, Georgia, Armenia, Assabajian(?),
>etc., you still think these "peaceful" processes are peaceful? Respecting
>people's choices doesn't mean creating ethnically pure zones or "countries".
>Racial separation was sth S. Africa used to do and abandoned last yr?
 
Tibetans do not want Chinese to keep the peace for them.  The Chinese 
government could show some maturity and let Tibetans decide for 
themselves, just as the Canadian government is letting Quebeckers and 
all Canadians decide for themselves in the coming referendum on 
October 26th. 
 
 

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