From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Israel and Kuwait in the Spotlight
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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Date: 11 Sep 92 09:53:02

In article <1992Sep11.090154.13381@discus.technion.ac.il> davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:
>   Of course amending the consitution is not dismantling it. I mean
>   abolishing the first ten amendments (which I think are changeable).
>   Amenmding the constitution is just a more fundamental legislation.
>   this is called in Israel "Hok Yesod" - fundamental law. This is done
>   over and over in Israel and could be changed by special majority of 2/3.
>
>   I certainly meant fundamental dismantling of the basic rights in the
>   heart of the constitution not minor (or even majorxr) amendments.

Which rights are those?  Read on...

>   The Zionist (the precise term is Jewish) nature of the country is the
>   raison d'etre of Israel even before Democracy. Denying it is same as
>   denying the existence of Israel - this is of course forbidden.

Ah, the right to question Jewish hegemony is forbidden.  And why?

>   Arab hegemony in Isarel == Jews in the sea. (or at least those who came
>   afetr 1917 - according to the pitiful Arafat).
>
>   Jews prefer their lives over theoretical equality!
>
>   This is not the Arab's right to kill the Jew, as it is not the Jew's 
>   to kill the Arab.

Because of the canard that Arabs will necessarily kill Jews if given
equal rights.

>   >>   >What is your opinion of the recent elections in Lebanon and Yemen?
>   >>
>   >>   Do you mean those that were boycotted by all the Christians and held
>   >>   under the rifles and tanks of Assad?
>   >
>   >One should also point out that the Israeli-dominated Southern Lebanese
>   >Army enforced an election boycott in their areas.  Funny that a
>   >democratic Israel would be against democracy.
>
>   Well, who forced the Christians of Beirut? the long hand of the Mossad?
>   I guess the Christains in the north followed their northern brethren
>   and enforced it on the others. Israel is not interested in giving the 
>   Syrians the facade of democracy to their occupation in Lebanon - so 
>   it did nothing to overturn the SLA decision.

All you are saying is that Israel is not alone in resisting democracy
in Lebanon.  That doesn't make it any better.

>   >This has been discussed previously in t.p.m.  As I remember, there
>   >were indeed Jewish provocations before the 1929 riots.  The riots
>   >were, however, an overheated reaction, fueled by the Arab leadership
>   >more than the Jewish misdeeds.
>
>   If you would be more specific I'll be happy to answer your data.

Read the history of the period.  If you want to read about Jewish
misdeeds in the pre- and early-Israeli days, read

      AUTHOR: Bell, J. Bowyer, 1931-
       TITLE: Terror out of Zion : Irgun Zvai Leumi, LEHI, and the Palestine
               underground, 1929-1949 / J. Bowyer Bell.
   PUB. INFO: New York : St. Martin's Press, c1977.
 DESCRIPTION: xi, 374 p., [14] leaves of plates : ill., maps ; 24 cm.

This is a scholarly book on the subject, written by an expert in
international terrorism.
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=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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