HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: owen@astro.washington.edu (Russell Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Summary: best Mac NTP client is Network Time
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: rowen.owen-061192094734
Followup-To: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

I received two replies regarding Macintosh NTP clients; both suggested I
use Network Time. I've appended the first response, as it contains all the
info.

Thanks to Dave Pascoe and Cameron Owen for their helpful replies!

Russell Owen
owen@astro.washington.edu

----------------------

The best thing around is Network Time, by Pete Resnick at UIUC.  It's
available via anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in /info-mac/comm I
think.  It isn't an NTP client but it does essentially the same thing
(contacts port 13 on the remote machine for time) and it runs in the
background, setting the clock once per day or once every n days if you
want.

Network Time requires MacTCP... <and you must use the Map control
panel--Russ>

--
Dave Pascoe
Internet: pascoe@rocky.gte.com
GTE/MSED - Needham Heights, MA
(617) 455-5704

Additional notes by Russ:  Network Time has two limitations: it makes no
attempt to compensate for network delays, and it only allows you to specify
one server. But it will set your clock to within a few seconds, and it
seems to work well. I intend to use it and send in my money ($5/Mac or
$100/100 Macs). In addition to MacTCP, you must use the Map control panel
(unless you want your system clock set to Greenwich time!). 

Russell Owen
owen@astro.washington.edu
From: dwaddell@ipxpress.aws.waii.com (Operator)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: xntpd not looking for servers
Keywords: xntpd
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:27:44 GMT
Organization: Atlas Wireline Services

We compiled and started xntpd version 3. Everything seems to be OK except it won't go to the
Internet to pick up the time from the ntp server:
server 129.116.3.5      # shorty.chpc.utexas.edu

Is there something else we need to be doing.
Thanks Dave Waddell
From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Recommendations for CHU/NTP server box
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of Northern B.C.

As part of the network design for the new campus we're building I want
to include a pair of stratum 1 time servers. I'm currently thinking of
using CHU receivers, since we can build them in house cheaply (and since
CHU is made in Canada, eh? :-)

I looking for comments (good and bad) on possible hardware/OS combinations
to run xntp3 with CHU drivers. I'll summarize if anything interesting turns up.

--lyndon

[ Since I'm waving the flag here, how many of you are aware that the 
  team that brought the World Series to Canada did so without a single
  Canadian player? ]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: xntp3, DOSYNCTODR_SUCKS
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:34:43 UTC

stevo@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Steve Groom) writes:

>In xntp3, this DOSYNCTODR_SUCKS thing has a comment that seems
>to indicate that if I don't define this, the hardware clock doesn't get
>updated by xntpd.

No, it's that if you DON'T add DOSYNCTODR_SUCKS it DOESN'T update the
hardware clock.

> Is this something new in v3?

Well, I made the patch originally in v2, but v3 came out very shortly
after that.

> Also, there is a comment
>that says that I probably only need this if I'm not on a network.

I disagree with that comment. I think it should be done on all suns
that have _dosynctodr in the kernel. However, subordinate clocks
can do as well by running 'ntpdate' before starting xntpd. Though
the clock will be hosed between boot time and the time ntpdate is
run (and ntpdate may hang momentarily if one of its sources is
down).

> It seems
>to me that if this is indeed a problem, the machine could wake up
>with the clock far enough out of whack that xntpd would give up, making
>this an issue for "networked" machines as well.

Exactly, only your reasoning is 180 degrees out of phase. :-)

>I initially xntpd (v3) with this definition disabled.  When I booted the
>machine after being powered off over the weekend, the clock was 14
>seconds off.  This isn't great, but it sounds reasonable for a
>battery-powered CPU clock.  It looks to me like the CPU's hardware
>clock must have been OK when the system went down.  Since I got this
>fairly reasonable behavior with DOSYNCTODR_SUCKS undefined, what is
>the benefit of having it defined?

The benefit of having it defined is that when you reboot after having
the system up for several months, you'll find it's only maybe a few
msec off.

-- 
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us> | "What are we gonna do, Stimpy?"
N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM     | "We could get some work..."
37 19 49 N / 121 57 36 W             | "Work?! Have you lost your MIND?!"
+1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'   |                     -- Ren & Stimpy
From: greg@perry.berkeley.edu (Greg Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Daylight/Std Time & Time Zones
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:49:52 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: perry.berkeley.edu


Please forgive me if this is a FAQ, but:

Recently, a question has arisen here involving time zones and
Daylight vs. Standard Time.

We would like to be able to convert dates and times (in UTC)
to their equivalent dates and times in various time zones, including
Pacific Daylight and Standard Time, and vice versa.  I am wondering 
if anyone out there knows of a source where one can get the *entire*
definitive history of the rules for determining Daylight vs. Standard
Time.  

I realize that Standard vs. Daylight is largely an American 
abberation, and that local jurisdictions (states?) are responsible
for determining whether or not to actually make the change.

So does anyone know where one would go to get that sort of 
info?   I would like to write a definitive convertor, if possible,
but any info would be greatly appreciated.

Greg Anderson
UC Berkeley Seismographic Stations
Berkeley, CA  94720
USA
greg@perry.berkeley.edu
(510) 642-3977


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Log file drooling, was Re: xntp3, DOSYNCTODR_SUCKS
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:17:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.214008.2068@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>,
 stevo@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Steve Groom) writes:

>One other comment about xntpd v3 compared to v2:  boy, does that
>thing like to make a lot of noise in the logfiles!  There's now all
>this status information being sent to syslog at LOG_INFO, which in
>steady-state used to only have the hourly drift messages.  I would still
>like to see the drift info, but not all that other junk.  In order
>to do this, I'll have to go hack the code or just forego the drift messages
>by fixing syslog.conf.  Has anyone else noticed this verbosity?  Will
>it fade away after everything settles down, or should I do something
>now to avoid filling all my root partitions?

The annoying one for me (so far), is when my dialup IP link goes
away and I get floods of "no route to host" messages. Time to hack...

--Steven
From: rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert Stalder)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.pcnet
Subject: Re: NetBIOS
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:17:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1dus7dINNi8i
Reply-To: rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert Stalder)
Distribution: inet
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eebr3@fel.tno.nl (Robert Been) says:

>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
>Distribution: world
>Subject: Need Info about NetBIOS-programming!
>Summary: NetBIOS
>Keywords: NetBIOS, nowait-mode.
>
>I developed a (realtime) multi-user networkapplication which is based on 
>NetBIOS. To use NetBIOS I developed a toolbox which is implemented in Turbo
>PASCAL version 6. NetBIOS is used entirely in nowait-mode and the toolbox allows me to transfer mail and files acros an Ethernet-PC network. An automatic
>login- and logout-system creates sessions between stations. 
>However...
>sometimes NetBIOS suffers from crashes which I cannot control. So I have a 
>few questions maybe you could answer!:
>- When a station crashes, NetBIOS remains 'active' at the station. How can I
>  avoid interference of this station at other stations?
>- I use NetBIOS-version 3.02c. Is this the latest version?
>- Does disc-access (harddisc) influence the correct working of NetBIOS?
>- Do nested interrupts occure while using NetBIOS?
>
>Some related questions:
>- Is it possible to highload NetBIOS?
>- Does 'Inline($FA)' and 'Inline($FB)' in TP6.0 really disable and enable
>  interrupts? Particularly with respect to disable interrupts of NetBIOS!  
>- The toolbox I spoke about is implemented in Turbo PASCAL 6.0. Could this
>  cause some of the problems?
>- Are there ANY good manuals of NetBIOS?
>
>Thanks for reading it!! 
>-- 
>
>Pee Wee Herman, that's my name! Don't wear it out!
>
>

Do you have any plans on distributing this toolkit?  Perhaps in shareware 
form?  It sounds like a really good NetBIOS tool, especially for TP
programmers...
-- 
Rob Stalder                           "To know me ... is to beer me"
rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu
stalder@SCL.CWRU.Edu
From: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM (George Haber)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.pcnet
Subject: Wiereless Cominication
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:32:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: haber

Hi Guys and Girls
=================

  I need some HELP "please"
 I intend to build (For my home) a wireless radio network for data
        - Does any one know how to build such a best cheaply  ??
        - Can I use some "portable phone" components to do it.
        - How do you detect collision in for such an Network ??
        - What is the best protocol for this ??

Any help is greatly appreciated.

George T. Haber
~


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.pcnet
From: eebr3@fel.tno.nl (Robert Been)
Subject: NetBIOS
Keywords: NetBIOS
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:38:14 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Distribution: world
Subject: Need Info about NetBIOS-programming!
Summary: NetBIOS
Keywords: NetBIOS, nowait-mode.

I developed a (realtime) multi-user networkapplication which is based on 
NetBIOS. To use NetBIOS I developed a toolbox which is implemented in Turbo
PASCAL version 6. NetBIOS is used entirely in nowait-mode and the toolbox allows me to transfer mail and files acros an Ethernet-PC network. An automatic
login- and logout-system creates sessions between stations. 
However...
sometimes NetBIOS suffers from crashes which I cannot control. So I have a 
few questions maybe you could answer!:
- When a station crashes, NetBIOS remains 'active' at the station. How can I
  avoid interference of this station at other stations?
- I use NetBIOS-version 3.02c. Is this the latest version?
- Does disc-access (harddisc) influence the correct working of NetBIOS?
- Do nested interrupts occure while using NetBIOS?

Some related questions:
- Is it possible to highload NetBIOS?
- Does 'Inline($FA)' and 'Inline($FB)' in TP6.0 really disable and enable
  interrupts? Particularly with respect to disable interrupts of NetBIOS!  
- The toolbox I spoke about is implemented in Turbo PASCAL 6.0. Could this
  cause some of the problems?
- Are there ANY good manuals of NetBIOS?

Thanks for reading it!! 
-- 

Pee Wee Herman, that's my name! Don't wear it out!
From: mariah@jaring.ism.my (Mariah Abdul Rahim)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: Open Systems Benchmark
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:01:10 -0800
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
Keywords: Open Systems Benchmark
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: mariah@jaring.ism.my (Mariah Abdul Rahim)

I'm interested in Open Systems.  Would anyone provide me information on
the benchmarks used to test Open Systems standards (any standard).  The
information I need is the name of the benchmark and where can I obtain
the source of the benchmarks.  Please reply by e-mail.  Thank you.

Mariah Abdul Rahim
Computer Systems Division
Malaysian Institute of Microelectronics Systems (MIMOS)
e-mail: mariah@jaring.ism.my

Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 68
From: mckean@xopen.co.uk (Roy Max McKean)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: X/Open Terminates Application Branding Program
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:16:23 -0800
Organization: X/Open Company Ltd
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: mckean@xopen.co.uk (Roy Max McKean)

Hello again.  
A while ago Glenn Hoogerwerf (glennh@sgihbtn.sierra.com) wrote:
> ....  I am aware that X/Open is currently phasing out its
> application conformance program ......

And I said then:

< Please note that this is not official X/Open policy.  The subject
< will be discussed at the board meeting next week, and we will post
< news here to tell you about it as soon as we can.

Well, here is the official announcement:

  "X/Open is terminating the Application Registration program.
   Originally launched in January, '92, the program was intended
   to address a user and ISV need to identify software which runs
   on XPG branded platforms.  Since that time, large users
   including the X/Open user council have expressed a need for
   automated test tools which verify conformance of software
   products to X/Open's XPG specifications.  This is becoming
   increasingly important as heretofore proprietary systems are
   XPG branded.  Because the current Application Registration
   program does nothing to verify application conformance to XPG,
   the X/Open Board on October 21st decided to cancel the
   program."

But in case you didn't see my note last time, please don't confuse
the verification of APPLICATIONS with the verification of the
platforms, (or pieces of them) that SUPPORT applications.
X/Open's branding program for these has never been stronger or
more active:  The XPG4 branding program was launched on October
22, with 67 new branded products available immediately:  65 XPG4
components, and 2 XPG4 Base Profiles!

Kind Regards, 

Roy McKean.

Roy "Max" McKean, Development Manager  Tel: +44 734 508 311 ext 2271
X/Open Company Limited                 Fax:          +44 734 500 110
Apex Plaza, Forbury Road               EMail:   r.mckean@xopen.co.uk
Reading, England, RG1 1AX              Home:         +44 734 403 506

Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 69
From: celms@veda.brl.mil (Dr. Aivars Celmins (BVLD/GSB) <celms>)
Newsgroups: comp.std.misc
Subject: Re: Country codes of Baltic countries
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:54:21 GMT
Reply-To: celms@veda.brl.mil (Dr. Aivars Celmins (BVLD/GSB) <celms>)


In article <1992Nov2.104019.21829@klaava.Helsinki.FI>,
silvonen@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mikko Silvonen) writes:
|> Does anyone happen to know the two-letter ISO country codes of Estonia,
|> Latvia and Lithuania?
|> 

   Estonia:   EE
   Latvia:    LV
   Lithuania: LT

   Aivars Celmins
Newsgroups: comp.std.mumps
From: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com
Subject: Logic Programming Task Group
Volume-Issue: X11/1992.info/comp.std.mumps/13
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 21:47:08 GMT

I am the Chair for the Logic Programming taskgroup for the MUMPS
Development Committee.
I am sending this message to determine who is currently listening to
this news group, and what they know about Logic Programming.
If anyone is listening, I also want to know what the current state of
the FAQ for this group is and who is currently responsible for it.

[There is no FAQ.  Whoever wants to work on one can be responsible for it!
HMS]
 
David Whitten
whitten@fwva.saic.com  (I think...)
-- 
Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
From: dobkin@bostech.com (Larry Dobkin)
Subject: Enter/print Kana & Kanji text on UNIX w/X11R5 ...
Organization: Boston Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:00:26 GMT

I am looking for an ability to enter kana & kanji text in Unix with X11R5 for
message catalogs. These are my questions:

Qs1. How to make xterm or kterm accept kana/kanji font, and i.e. provide
an ability for keyboard mapping to enter text, for example:

	kterm -fn *kana14 & 
or
	xterm -fn *8x16romankana &

does NOT work. It substitutes the requested font with a normal same size 
courier font.

Qs2. What is the corresponding non-proportional kana font to X11 system 
font "fixed"?

Qs3. Does anyone know tools for editing kana & kanji text and printing 
files with it in the specified above environment?

Thx to everyone!

Larry Dobkin, Boston Technology

dobkin@bostech.com
-- 
Larry Dobkin / Boston Technology / Wakefield, MA
dobkin@bostech.com
From: daniel@cse.ucsc.edu (Daniel R. Edelson)
Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
Subject: Initialization of const dynamic objects
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:13:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu


Section 7.1.6 contains the following statement:

	``Unless explicitly declared extern, a const
	object does not have external linkage and
	must be initialized.''

Does that prohibit the following code?

	new const int;

This allocates an uninitialized const object. 
Seems like this should be explicitly prohibited (assuming
there's no constructor, of course.) Is it?

Incidently, section 5.3.3 says:

	``If [a new-initializer is] not [present], the object
	will start out with an unspecified value.''

Thus, an unitialized const dynamic object has and keeps
forever an unspecified value. This should be prohibited.

None of the compilers I tested detected this error.

Daniel Edelson

Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
From: arthur@solomon.technet.sg (Arthur Sombrito)
Subject: ARM grammar error?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:22:21 GMT


ARM grammar states that an assignment-expression IS
     unary-expression assignment-operator assignment-expression

However I see a lot of commercial code (such as USL library) wherein 
an assignment to a cast-expression is done.  Since a cast-expression
cannot reduce to a unary-expression, my parser gets a syntax error
on the "=" operator.  So shouldn't assignment-expression be
     cast-expression assignment-operator assignment-expression

Thanks for any replies.
Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
From: sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen)
Subject: Re: Zero-length structures and pointer comparisons
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:44:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185247.14128@sophists.com> lewis@sophists.com (Lewis G. Pringle) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.080805.13496@jyu.fi> sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen) writes:
>...
>>I would first like to return to a much more important, related problem,
>>which somebody brought up here rather recently.
>> ...

I am still waiting for an answer to that question.
Nobody got a clue?

>I'd like to ask a related question.
>
>Given code like:
>
>char* start = new char [10];
>char* end   = start+10;
>char* p     = start;
> ...
>p = start;
>p--;
>assert (! ((p >= start) && (p <= end)));	// ???????
>
>Is the last assertion portable? ARM/ANSI-C References?

Certainly not portable.  The ARM (o. 72 - 73) says that 'p--' above
is undefined;  I would suppose that an implementation is allowed
even to abort the programme at that point.  Or, 'p > start' and
'p < start' might both yield true, and 'p >= start' and 'p <= start'
both false.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Markku Sakkinen (sakkinen@jytko.jyu.fi)
       SAKKINEN@FINJYU.bitnet (alternative network address)
Department of Computer Science and Information Systems
University of Jyvaskyla (a's with umlauts)
PL 35
SF-40351 Jyvaskyla (umlauts again)
Finland
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Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
From: scornd7@solomon.technet.sg (Tang Chang Thai)
Subject: Unidraw & Glyphs
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:52:09 GMT
From: jamshid@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Jamshid Afshar)
Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
Subject: Can Standard C functions be overloaded?
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:14:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


Can Standard C functions be overloaded?

	#include <string.h>
	int atoi(const String&);   // legal?
	char* s = "123";
	String str = "456";
	int i1 = atoi(s);
	int i2 = atoi(str);

One problem, I believe, is that ANSI C allows functions to be defined
by the implementation as macros, so you might have to do:

	int (atoi)(const String& s);  // now legal?
	String str = "456";
	int i = (atoi)(str);   // annoying

Jamshid Afshar
jamshid@emx.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
From: mccauleyba@vax1.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley)
Subject: Re: return values and destructors
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:22:54 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

In article <1dsevkINNe8t@agate.berkeley.edu>, jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
> In article <BxKs87.417@scd.hp.com> vinoski@ch.apollo.hp.com (Stephen Vinoski) writes:
>>"A return statement with an expression can be used only in functions
>>returning a value; the value of the expression is returned to the
>>caller of the function."
>>
>>Given the statement
>>
>>	return foo;
>>
> 
> [ example deleted: it's designed so that the destructor of an auto
>   variable will alter foo's value. ]
> 
> Your example is the kind of thing that I think language standards should
> leave explicitly undefined; otherwise compiler vendors will have to
> generate worse code just in case someone like you gets tricky. :-)
>
  [...]

>>Is this a cfront bug?
> 
> Again, I don't think so.  I'm not willing to pay the cost of the
> extra copy operation that might be required were the committee to
> force your example to work.  It's simply not worth slowing down reasonable
> C++ programs to have defined behavior on your unreasonable example (it is
> cute, though)...

I beg to differ I think that the behaviour of Cfront is a bug and that the
statement in the ARM is unambiguous if a little opaque. The redundant copy will
only be avoidable in cases where the return type is an inbuilt type and the
overhead of evaluating this before calling destructors and storing it away
somewhere is minimal. Also the return expression would have to not contain any
class types or even function calls as any class operation even on a object that
is not local may legitamately make use of local objects. (Consider a class that
has a static `population' member that is the total number of objects currently
existing. I agree the original example was contrived but I don't think it
should break a good complier. 

Some compilers offer optimization switches with names like "assume no pointer
aliasing" which allow them to make this sort of optimisation at the risk of
miscompiling this sort of perverse example. I do not think a compiler should
make unsafe optimisations unless the programmer has invited it to do so.
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