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From: dem@cs.princeton.edu (Doron Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Fee on NEW Lawn Boy!
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:06:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Princeton University Computer Science Department
Originator: dem@atomic

In article <1992Jul28.100850.14077@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> btdy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Somebody mentioned that "Lawn Boy" was slower on the new disc than on the
>old.  I'll check this out and report back to the group!

This is definitely true.  A friend of mine has the original Lawn Boy,
and when I listened to my copy of the new Lawn Boy, I noticed the
slowness, but I originally thought that it was just me.  Also, Shelly
Culbertson (sorry if I misspelled) mentioned that the band was upset
about this in a recent posting.

Doron
From: AGRABINSKI@libra.intel.com (Alek Grabinski, SC1-32, 765-2151 - KOKUSAI TECHNICAL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Adding Fuel to the Fire
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:41:51 GMT
Reply-To: AGRABINSKI@libra.intel.com
Organization: The Internet

Howdy Pholks!

I brought up the Phish/Dead comparison about 200 digests ago, and I am 
still smarting from it.  Therefore I have recanted my ways and now 
conclude that comparisons between Phish and FRANK ZAPPA	are much more 
appropriate.

Anyone know exactly where San Juan Capistrano is?  My atlas says it's in 
Mexico, but I have my doubts as to Phish playing there (although the 
thought of Cavern backed up by a mariachi band does give one pause...)

Re: Fee on/not on rereleased Lawnboy: I heard that Elektra didn't put it 
on the rerelease because not doing so would force Junta to be a double 
disc.  If that's true, that's LAME!  As I recall, Junta is quite long, 
maybe 80 minutes - hopefully the band would fill the rest of the discs 
up, as a 40 minute disc in this day and age is a rip-off.  It's not like 
Phish doesn't have enough material...

Cheers!

Alek
From: loiselle@cs.umass.edu (Cindy, the Coaster Rider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Tix for sale: Santana/Phish @ Jones Beach
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:42:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: COINS, UMass, Amherst

A (non-net) friend has asked me to post for him.

He has two tickets to the upcoming Santana/Phish gig at Jones Beach on
Long Island that he cannot use.  He's bummed enough about missing the
concert, but he's hoping that he won't have to eat his tickets, too.
He's willing to let them go for the *below cost* price of $20 if someone
else can use them.  Please call Rich at (516) 791-1784 BEFORE Thursday (7/24)
if you are interested.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Re: Terrapin?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.012044.14976@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> N570098@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu writes:
>   Do I read correctly? Did Phish play Terrapin, as in the Dead, at Santa
>Barbara?

Terrapin is a Syd Barrett tune!  It goes, "I really love you... yes I do".
It's very slow and sappy.  It is certainly not the "Lady with a fan" which
the Dead do every 10 shows or so.  :-)


>
>                                                        Sarah
>                                                    n570098@univscm

-jg

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From: "Alek Grabinski, SC1-32, 765-2151 - KOKUSAI TECHNICAL" <AGRABINSKI@libra.intel.com>
Subject: Reverse Psychology
Reply-To: AGRABINSKI@libra.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:03:28 GMT

Ooh, Henry, post a warning about not condoning drugs and Phish and see 
what it gets you - more fodder for the soundbite-happy...

Personally, I don't get this whole drugs/music thing.  I mean, one can 
do ANY type of psychoactive and listen to ANY type of music and have an 
intellectually stimulating time.  Just because LSD and other 
hallucinogens are easier to get at a Dead show than, say, a policeman's 
ball fundraiser, that doesn't mean that Grateful Dead music is more 
appropriate for tripping than, say, Murph and the MagicTones.  At times 
I've thought the exact opposite, in fact.  It's not the DRUGS, it's your 
brain with some temporary (hopefully!) wiring changes soaking up MUSIC.  
Enjoy it, keep to yourself and don't do anything really stupid (minor 
stupidity can be a release).

OPC: We were lost in the glitzy warrens of Macy's today, and my wife 
stopped suddenly and listened.  I listened as well, and heard an electronic 
cash register going "boop - boop - boop - boop" - sounding rather 
alarmingly like "Maze"!  Another one of those "Phish is Bigger than 
Life" moments!

Alek

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: 7/28 finger lakes
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:57:08 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Al Sodoma writes...
>When I got within hearing distance, it sounded like the end to Foam
>(which was later confirmed by Catfish and Jens).  From there they

I f*cked up, Al.:-} The opener was Chalkdust Torture.

>Foam                 (courtesy of Catfish and Jens)

No Foam...  Again, my f*ck-up.:-}

Net.rap will come soon (due to lack of sleep after the show -- a LONG
story).  I'll just say this:  the best concert I attended this year.


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From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:11:54 GMT
Organization: The Homer J. Simpson "MMMMM...BAR-B-QUE" Association;-)

My friend Jens sez:

>   Two very cool bands are playing there on Tuesday!

Really?? Who?? Oh yeah...;-)

>   The concert is an "extra ground rules" show, which means no glass or cans.
>Coolers and thermos-type jugs are OK.  Bringing food and mixed drinks are both
>OK.  In the past we've brought beer in by dumping cans/bottles of beer into
>a cooler, but of course it gets warm pretty quick.  They sell beer and locally
>made wine inside; I don't recall if they sell food.

They sell some concessions:  the usual snacks and etc. at overinflated prices.

>   Get there early!!!  Traffic can be a nightmare after 5:00, which may mean
>missing the opening band.

What Jens said.  As a patron of the FLPAC for a decade, I speak from 
experience:  get there *early* as the FLPAC is located off regular
two-lane roads.

>Parking at FLPAC should be free.  If you plan on getting there
>later, I highly recommend buying a Finger Lakes map, which shows all the side
>roads which will route you around the heavy traffic on the main roads.  If
>there's any interest, I can type in the directions from my map.

I'll go one step further:  if you're willing to part with a few bucks,
there is a restaurant not even a half-block before the parking lot that
offers parking (and on a grass hill and field).  It's worth the $$$$ to
park there as entering and leaving are *much* more efficient.  Why? The
FLPAC is notorious for horrible crowd control, as traffic is handled
at a snail's crawl, causing the leaving process to last over an hour.
Trust me:  if you're willing to shell a few bucks, you'll get out
*much* faster.

Also, if you're on the lawn, one of the best places for sound is the
lawn area to the *right* of the rear pavilion seating.  Also, the
lower front areas of the lawn normally have dogsh*t sound, so your
best bet acoustically is either the forementioned, or 1/3 to halfway
up the hill, or inside seats.;-) Seriously, the FLPAC has been very
half-assed about their acoustics, which should be *eons* better than
they are now (in general, the whole place needs a serious facelift).

Like Jens said, though:  get there *early*.  If you try to make this
a "last minute" deal, you'll miss Phish.  

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Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: Phish Blows Chunks
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:51:21 GMT

In article <Bs2pE6.EuC@well.sf.ca.us> harvie@well.sf.ca.us (Harvie H. Branscomb) writes:
>Recently saw Phish on MTV.  I must admit they really blow!
>

  If you mean "blow" in the musical sense of "Jam outrageously beyond
  belief to the point of sheer musical ecstasy", I must agree.
  For a real treat, go see them live.

  Jeff A.

-- 

------------------------------
Jeff Althoff
jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Porshe-Guy Story
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:55:58 GMT
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet

DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!  For those of you who aren't on r.m.gdead as
well, I throw out this piece of information.  The Porshe-guy story is
an old piece of fiction originally posted on deadnet (with
appropriate word changes to "deadhead," of course) several years ago.
 It was recently reposted on r.m.gdead, leading to a round of
denunciations (the source of my knowledge).  Of course, the trite,
cliched manner of the prose really should give it away as being
thoroughly imaginary.  So don't feel bad that some poor sucker (or
asshole, depending on your harshness level) was ruined by Phish, or
that Phish fans are becoming wretched.  It's all a Lie.

    As to HammaH's posting etiquette: generally a good listing of
*suggestions* for the net (what inflection did the *'s mean?  Pre-
flame comment?  Of course not 8') ).  Suggestion b mentioned taking
discussions private, and this needs a comment.  While I feel that in
actual application HammaH and I would probably agree on when it's
less appropriate to continue a public discussion, one cannot forget
that the discussion was started in public forum.  Not continuing the
discussion publically because of a fear that it would make the
original poster "entrenched" or "defensive" does not seem to me to be
ample justification for privatization.  If one makes assertions to a
public venue, one should be prepared to defend those points, or
accept the consequences (if you will) of choosing to remain silent in
the face of responses.  On a last note, I also had a somewhat
narrower working definition of "flame," sort of reserving it for the
unnecessary personal or tangential responses that some people feel
are just too sharp not to share with all of us.  Thus, I have
difficulty responding to her "Flames are good" note.  What - ever!

forge the coin and lick the stamp - go numismatists and philatelists!!
Matt Heller
mh1406@student.law.duke.edu
From: btdy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Phish on MTV and Fee on new Lawnboy!
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:18:01 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Greetings!

I saw an interesting bit on Mtv tonight at about 6:40pm EDT.  Phish playing
Landlady.  All I saw was about 30 seconds--cought it while performing today's
delightful rendition of the dinnertime-cable-tv-channel-fip-thing.  I believe
the show was "Hangin' with Mtv" or something similar.

So I can't really validate Ellis' claim that:

"Trey, and I think Mike, too, have made comments about
being anti-MTV/video-crap (which makes great sense); but is stuff being
edited together for promotion, or an edited release, or off-month
entertainment, or .... well.... what?  -- Ellis"


And here's another thing to think about.  I took my 'rough trade' version of
Lawn Boy and compared it with my roomate's 'elektra' version.  Guess what.
The track prints on the disks are the same length.  And after inspecting
the lines at some of the track/song breaks, I noticed that the patters
are identical as far as I could tell.  So it seems that Fee is indeed on
Lawnboy.  Somebody just changed the sub-coding around a bit (or something
like that) so that CD players can't see the last track.  Check it out!

"getting it clearly through alternate paths..."

- jeff

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jurista@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.jurista)
Subject: Re: No Dead Association
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:02:11 GMT

(John Greene) writes:
> (Glenn Russell) writes:
> >John Greene writes:
> >>
    [ on Phish opening for the Grateful Dead ]
> >>the near future.  The answer is (thank goodness).... "NO!"
> >
> >bands on the same bill?  It'd be an incredible night, IMHO.
> >
> 
> Well... here's the thing...  Right now, we all know how aweomse Phish is,
> right?  And yes, I love the Dead (hell I just spent $350 for Boston tix!)
> But much of the pholks who will someday become Phish heads haven't heard
> them yet, and (more importantly) may not like the Dead.  Too many people
> I know STILL think of Phish like.... "Oh... aren't they like the Grateful
> Dead?".  Well... I guess they are in a way.... but we all know that they're
> not in a bigger way.  I think that Phish opening for the Dead would be, in
> a way, kind of conceeding to the "Dead" crowd.
> 

Most pholks I know positively compare Phish and Zappa, not the Dead!  But
I have heard the comparisons between Phish and the Dead too.  Of course 
it's negative to be stereotyped as JUST LIKE another band, but Phish has
a bright future, I don't think they're doomed to being regarded as a Dead
clone, especially by anyone who's actually heard their music or, better
still, seen a Phish concert.  And I don't agree that opening for the Dead
would be conceding anything to a Dead crowd.  I've found that Deadheads 
have a fairly open mind about music (most of 'em, anyway (-:), and Phish-
heads are the same way.  What's wrong with two bands that have open-minded
fans playing together so each can get a taste of the other?

> I know the comparisons are inevitable.... and some of them spawn great
> threads and ideas, but Phish shouldn't really open for anyone, and after
> this tour, I don't think they ever will, and that makes me :-)

Phish headlining makes me smile too, but while they're still not universally
known, won't it be great to go see two great bands for the price of one?
Seeing Phish and Santana at GSAC on Sunday was a real treat for me, and I've
seen Phish headline, too.  

Don't take any of this as a flame, John, it's just my $0.02.  :-)

Jim
From: harvie@well.sf.ca.us (Harvie H. Branscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Phish Blows Chunks
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:30:06 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

Recently saw Phish on MTV.  I must admit they really blow!

harv
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Squaw Valley (and other) info
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:18:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook

In article <14f6euINNeco@agate.berkeley.edu> shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson (+Spector)) writes:
> So, if you ever notice that a record store is out of
>Phish recordings, especially large stores such as Tower, please post
>something here, or call the hotline and leave a message at the end of
>the tape.  (617) 923-4939.  Thanks!
>
  (Nobody beats the) Wiz on Long Island (at least the one near me,
  near Stony Brook) is out of all Phish. FWIW, they had at least
  5 copies of PON there about a month ago.

  Jeff A.

-- 

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Jeff Althoff
jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer)
Subject: re: first & last...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:25:36 GMT

>This story was recently posted to the dead net.... It seems that whoever
>had the file did a global search/replace on the word "dead" and changed
>it to "phish".  Don't reply to this guy and don't keep the thread going.
>We have better things to talk about.

>Peace.

>-jg

Yeah, but it gave me the best laugh I've had in a while, almost surpassing
"Reefer Madness"...

-joel
Tboot!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Phish/Santana Concert.  Yuk!
Keywords: Phish-Heads, filthy, moronic, drugs, deplorable
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.062724.11811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>
>FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "PHISH-HEAD" CONCERT
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>"What kind of man would bring a Porsche to a Phish-head concert?"
>


	Who the hell decided to fudge this BBoard up with this archaic hoax..
...it's been an irritation on r.m.gd for 5 years...

Yangety
From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Phish in Disc Club
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:03:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.1992Jul26.160311.8428
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Jul24.202832.3536@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> JHE4151@a10vax.draper.com writes:
>
>One more thing...
> I remember that at the NYE 90 show at the World Trade center show, there were
> about four different video cameras around the place (including two on stage.)
> I also remember that in the next mailer that the band was planning on 
> producing a VHS tape of different shows. Does anyone know what ever became
> of this?

The band wasn't very happy with that show or the video.  In all likelyhood,
nothing will ever become of it.

>-Jonathan...JHE4151@a10vax.draper.com
>

-jg

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From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: phish on MTV????
Date: 25 Jul 1992 01:31:19 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

In article <14po7gINNi49@agate.berkeley.edu> shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson) writes:
>
>Trey specifically asked me to invite people to transmit any questions or
>comments on the subject to him (you can post on the net or email to me),
>and he will respond.
>
>Trey's concern over all of this just shows how much
>they really do care.)
>

I think you're right on the mark on this one. No, I won't burn my
autographed poster of Trey. :-) Seriously, it's good to hear that he is
so concerned about retaining Phish's integrity

>ps.  I don't know if this was broadcast or not (since I don't have a tv
>anyway), but Trey said that at one point (after the trampolines) the hostess 
>asked him, "So, who's your inspiration, the Grateful Dead or Mary Lou
>Retton?"  (eeeech!)  At that time he didn't respond, but in retrospect
>he wishes he had replied with a question, "Who's your inspiration for
>for your clothes, Morticia Adams or Elvira?"...whew!

Yeah, that was a totally lame moment. Actually, I think Trey and Mike
were on the trampolines and the bimbo host asked them that stupid 
question and Trey just smiled dumbfoundedly and pointed to Mike, as
if he could answer the question any better. Too bad he didn't make 
a good comeback like that. Would've been pretty funny. Still, it makes
me think, it would be so cool if Phish came out with a concert video
of some sort. I don't think that would be sacrificing any artistic 
integrity and it would be a real treat to see. Maybe you could suggest
that to Trey, Shelly? :-)

-Ben

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: CHEESE%CITADEL2.BITNET@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Subject: jellify
Reply-To: CHEESE%CITADEL2.BITNET@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:48:13 GMT


Hey there,
                  I'm desperately seeking Townsend VT, 1990.  If any of
y'all have been there then you know what an amazing place
it is to hear Phish play in.  And if there are any Phish
dates in or around the San Francisco area between July 30
through August 16, I'm on the need to know basis ...

The Cheese

But the tears on her cheeks are from laughter.  Dylan
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  21-Jul-1992 1445" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: i doubt this will make it on the net in time for anybody to see it (do we still have the immediate list?), but...
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:47:52 GMT

does anybody know what time the show tonight (21-jul) at grate woods starts ?
respond via e-mail

- rich
From: STAFFORD@hycad5.dnet.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Lawn Boy
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: STAFFORD@hycad5.dnet.hac.com
Organization: The Internet

Oh yea,  what ever happened to 'FEE'?     ;-)
jack.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman)
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Phish/Santana Concert.  Yuk!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:30:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
> FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "PHISH-HEAD" CONCERT
> --------------------------------------------------

Wow!  "The Porsche Guy" (tm) is back!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with "The Porcshe Guy," he was a VERY
short lived subscriber to rec.music.gdead.  This story applies to his first
and only Dead show.  I used to have tons of his posts and responses to his
posts stored away, but I recently deleted them.  Man, that was some funny
stuff!  Sorry I ditched them, or I would have shared their hillarity with
you all!  Anybody else out there have some of these timeless ditties save
away?!?

John
friedman@col.hp.com

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