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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:40 CDT
From:         HILL_J@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU
Subject:      Re: Library Automation Questions
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ABout OCR.  Our only experience is that our circulation system has used
OCR labels since its inception, and that we still have OCR labels in our
books.  The system (CARL) now uses Bar Code Labels as well, and we will
soon convert FROM OCR.  OCR labels appear to be a dying technology.  Purchasing
and repairing OCR equipment is increasingly difficult.

If you are contemplating converting to a Circulation system with OCR labels,
I would advise strongly against it.  If you are contemplating using OCR for
other (such as full text) conversion, that's another question -- and one
in which I have no useful experience.

        - janet swan hill
          univ of colo, bldr
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:09:56 CDT
From:         Avi Rappoport <nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject:      Re: formats for bibliographic data

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I think extended Refer format would be great, but that's just because
EndNote reads it :-)

Another alternative is the Tag format being devised by the University of
California's Division of Library Automation.  It includes mapping from
MARC records for books and other materials, which would be convenient to
have set up.  Of course, I'm biased because our TagLink will read that
one too.
--
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Avi Rappoport                               2000 Hearst, Berkeley, CA 94709
nilesinc@well.sf.ca.us,                     510-649-8176
Niles.Assoc on AppleLink           fax: 510-649-8179
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:44:04 CDT
From:         JOSPINA@ANDESCOL.BITNET
Subject:      Expert systems for training

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Hi all. Does any of you know about any expert system done for training in anyth
ing? Any such system in public domain, (if so, where)?.
I aks this because i`ll soon start work on a system for the training of employe
es of the National Tax administration of Colombia, and I`ll like to get an exam
ple of such a system (on pC`s).
Any related info will be welcome, and highly appreciated. THANKS,

                                 Jorge Armando Ospina G.
                                 Universidad de los Andes
                                 Santa Fe de Bogota, Colombia, South America

                                 E-mail: jospina@andescol.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:43:29 CDT
From:         NAME 'Ann Golubowski' <GOLUBAN@Vax2.Concordia.CA>
Subject:      Re: Casual Instructions

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

orry, my first attempt at joining an e-mail discussion has
misfired! Hope this works this time.

I may have missed the beginning of this conversation, so please
excuse me if I seem to miss the point. But doesn't it depend on
the material and the user? What is suitable for a computer-phobic
undergraduate may not be for a serious graduate student or
researcher. While the former may just want to know "which button
to push" to get results, the other may feel frustrated at not
having the control that more in-depth knowledge brings, while not
being satisfied with having to rediscover every quirk in the
system on their own through trial-and-error (though some of that
is obviously necessary.) Clear documentation of what is not
readily apparent from help screens should be available to those
who want it, along with personalized help.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:43:18 CDT
From:         LIDDP@TTACS.BITNET
Subject:      Full-Text CD-Roms and ARIEL

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 The Ariel software package from RLG allows scanning, compression, and
transmission of articles across the Internet.  In a recent article in
Interlending and Document Supply, Mary Jackson describes the various ways that
the Ariel software can be configured.  She also lists a variety of innovative
uses that have been proposed for Ariel.  What is not mentioned, however, and
something that I have not seen mentioned elsewhere, is the following.  Could
the Ariel software be loaded onto the same machine that runs a full-text CD-ROM
product like Business Periodicals Ondisc, the UMI full-text expansion of their
ABI-INFORM database?
 We previewed the product here a couple of summers ago, and our patrons loved
it.  They especially liked the fact that they would not have to figure out how
to use LC call numbers in the stacks to locate journal volumes, and, of course,
barring theft of a disc, the articles are never missing.  As I understood it
then, each time a full article is sent to the laser printer, the citation and
number of pages is recorded in a log file.  At the end of each month, the
library sends the log file to UMI, where the bill [including all copyright
charges] is figured.
 My real question is this; does the software care which printer the item is
printed on?  If not, why not enter Ariel, invoke the compression routine
[reportedly 1:15 for text and 1:8 for images] and send the articles across to a
variety of read-only Ariel locations on campus?  For libraries that have
full-text CD-ROM products like Business Periodicals Ondisc or Adonis, they
would have thousands of articles instantly available for transmission and use.
 I would appreciate any feedback on these speculations, especially on the
problems that would be involved, from those who have thought about this before
or who hve experience with the products.  Thanks in advance.
________________________________________________________________________
  Dr. David Proctor                      Phone: (806) 742-2236
  University Library                     Fax: (806) 742-1920
  Texas Tech University                  Internet: LIDDP@TTACS.TTU.EDU
  P.O. Box 40002                         Bitnet: LIDDP@TTACS
  Lubbock, TX 79409-0002
"Education is the acquisition of the art of the utilization of knowledge."
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:08:03 CDT
From:         Candy Schwartz <cschwartz@VMSVAX.SIMMONS.EDU>
Subject:      Using LCSH for Gopher

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would argue against using LC and for using a classification
scheme such as Dewey, allowing for multiple classifications per
resource, and perhaps restricting the depth of class number assignment
to a certain hierarchical level.  I think people would be willing to
scan through 20's of recources under a class number rather than demanding
an extremely specific classification.  Dewey is more logically
structured, and not as subject to change at the level which you might
choose.  It is available in machine-readable from (I believe from
OCLC), and Kern Markey Drabenstott has done work on using Dewey as
an access point for OPACs (under the name Markey). LCSH lacks
sufficient logical structure, as does LCC (at the least the notation
is not expressive, and Dewey's is).

Candy Schwartz
cschwartz@vmsvax.simmons.edu
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
FROM: C-HEND  --UMINN1

 Subject: currency rates

 I would like to know if there an active listing of worldwide currency exchange
 rates available on the internet. Something like the Wall Street Journal
 listing of exhange rates, only more extensive and in electronic form?

 Thanks for any help you can provide.

 Barbara A. Stelmasik            612-625-8074
 Monographs Acquisitions, CTS    FAX 612-625-3428
 University of Minnesota, MPLS   BITNET B-STEL@UMINN1
 INTERNET:b-stel@vm1.spcs.umn.edu
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:39:36 CDT
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Subject:      Network Access to Campaign Information

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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU>
Subject:      Re: Network Access to Clinton/Gore Campaign.  ILLEGAL???

>Is it legal to use the Internet which is a federally funded
>network for Campaign Propaganda????

It seems to me that "campaign propaganda" is a term that may depend on
the opinion of the beholder, much like pornography, obscenity, beauty,
truth, and so forth.

Two points come to mind:

The federal government provides campaign financing under laws that our
congresspersons voted for.  That may not explicitly cover the internet,
but.....it is consistent with it.

More important, people in the scholarly fields of communications, speech,
political science, and history want the original texts for analysis and
study in their discipline.  In the past, texts of speeches have been
difficult to get, as few papers other than the New York Times have
printed full texts, and even the  Times doesn't print them all.  These
scholars have had great difficulty getting accurate texts or transcripts
of speeches given around the country, since in the past they were usually
prepared in only one, or a few, copies for the speaker and sometimes
for the media.

As long as the providers give equal access to all candidates and voters,
I see absolutely no problem with it.  If it helps produce voters who
are better educated by more information than the sound bites on the evening
news, we are all better off for it.

CRTNET has been publishing many of the speeches as part of regular
issues of their irregular journal.  They have published speeches of
the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates of both major
parties, plus some others.  The Communications people who receive
that list are very pleased.

* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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From:         Elizabeth Lane <ELANE3@UA1VM>
Subject:      Re: Network Access to Clinton/Gore Campaign.  ILLEGAL???

Well, since our tax dollars already pay for quite abit of the campaign,
I don't see much of a conflict. Besides, individual machines are not
funded by the government; they are paid for by their host institutions.
What gets put on those machines is up to the discretion of the owner.
The *traffic* is another story, but at this point, the only "prohibitions"
on the Federally-funded backbone are of commercial materials.

I'm all in favor of making as much available as we can. One person's
"propaganda" is another person's primary source material.

| Elizabeth Lane                   Internet: elane3@ua1vm.ua.edu |
| University of Alabama            BITNET:   ELANE3@UA1VM        |
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:12:35 CDT
From:         MJENSEN@charlie.usd.edu
Subject:      Hurricane Andrew

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
As the information dribbles in it is becoming apparent that many of
our friends in South Florida and Louisiana are in dire need of help.
I don't have a lot of information, but I do know that the Law Library
at the University of Miami sustained only minor damage, but several
of the faculty and staff have severe damage to their homes.  The
University is closed until September 14.  I have
no information about other librarians and computer people in the area,
but I assume they too need help.  I urge all of you to do what you can.
You can send donations to:
American Red Cross
Disaster Relief Fund
P.O. Box 37243
Washington, DC 20013
You can specify that the donation be used to help the victims of
Hurricane Andrew.

Mary Brandt Jensen University of South Dakota
Director of the Law Library             School of Law
Associate Professor of Law              414 E. Clark St.
MJENSEN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU                 Vermillion, SD 57069-2390
(605) 677 6363                          Fax (605) 677 5417
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:41:01 CDT
From:         "Don Baker,
              Systems Manager - Cline Library" <BAKERD@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      CARL ERIC access

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Free access to ERIC on CARL is surely temporary.  Those of us who pay CARL
dearly for the privilege of including CARL ERIC in our OPACS would love to
drop our subscription and get it for free.

Don Baker, Systems Manager
Cline Library, Northern Arizona University
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:28 CDT
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From:         "Clyde W. Grotophorst" <WALLYG%fen1.gmu.edu@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Subject:      Tip for InfoPop users

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Recently I've had several users of InfoPop (the TSR guide to the
Internet) report problems with IP locking up their machines--
particularly if they're using the Clarkson drivers...or sometimes
when using a PC comm program (e.g., Procomm) to dial into a VAX
or some other host that provides TELNET/ftp services.

Fortunately, I've also had reports from other users on a fix for the
problem...

If you've been experiencing lockups during cut % paste,
try starting Infopop with the /e switch.  This loads InfoPop then
loads a second command processor and then executes your comm package.
When your comm program is done, everything (including IP) unloads.

For example, to use the Clarkson TELNET package (here I'm assuming
the software's in a CUTCP subdirectory on your PC):

C:\CUTCP>IP /e TELNET [return]

While you can put a command line argument after TELNET, I don't
recommend it.  If you do (for example, a telnet address) the
program will exit when you've finished your link to the address
you gave.

To use with a comm package like Procomm:

C:\PCPLUS>IP /E PCPLUS [return]

This seems to minimize the likelihood of lock up when you cut &
paste a TELNET address to your underlying application.  If you've
been having this problem and the /e switch doesn't solve it,
let me know (wallyg@fen1.gmu.edu).

Latest version of InfoPop (2.2) is available via anonymous ftp:

ftp gmuvax2.gmu.edu

username: anonymous
password: EnterYourEmailAddressHere
cd library
dir (to see what's available)
binary
get FileYouWantToGet   (use the same case as the file's listing)
bye (signs you off gmuvax2)

Clyde W. Grotophorst
Associate Librarian/Automated Systems
George Mason University
Fairfax, Virginia 22030

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From:         STRAUSS@UNCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Using LCSH for Gopher

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
To anyone thinking that "Dewey is more logically structured" than LC,
might I suggest that you take a quick look through the 0's at your
local Dewey library. If I recall correctly, computer books are bisected
by auto mechanics (or something similar).

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:42:56 CDT
From:         Tamara Miller <miller@lib.utk.edu>
Subject:      thesaurus lingua greci

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
This is a CD-Rom designed to be used as part of a multimedia package and
driven by a HyperCard stack.  I have it for use with a stand alone
workstation.  I am unaware of networked version.  Anyone else?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tamara Miller			Celebrate!  500 years ago
miller@utklib.lib.utk.edu	Americans discovered
University of Tennesee		Columbus standing on their shore!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:55:01 CDT
From:         Walt Crawford <BR.WCC@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Reporting on the LITA National Conference

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Going to the LITA National Conference?

The LITA Newsletter could use a few reporters, to provide
*brief* reports on some of the programs and other events.
"Brief" means no more than 2 or 3 paragraphs per program;
quick summaries, not extensive reports.

The deadline for reports will be October 19; if reports
are used, they may be split between the pre-Midwinter issue
and post-Midwinter issue of the LITA Newsletter.

If you'd like to do this, send me a note--or, for that matter,
just send me your report by October 19.
-walt crawford:
 br.wcc@rlg (BITNET), br.wcc@rlg.stanford.edu (Internet)

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From:         DHUERTA@COLGATEU.BITNET
Subject:      Table of Contents Products

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We are attempting to evaluate several Table of Contents options.  The
products we are looking at include Carl Uncover, First Search, Faxon
Finder, Infotrac 2000, UMI, and Adonis.  We wondered if anyone out there
has been through a similar process and could advise or is using any of
the products and could comment.  Specifically we are interested in
holdings coverage, network capability, user satisfaction, subject
searching, comparative costs and whether or not anyone was able to cancel
journal holdings as a result of the service.  Your help would be
appreciated.

Debbie Huerta
IN%"DHuerta@Colgateu.Bitnet"
DHuerta.Colgate.edu
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From:         AMSEL-GS-1 <cg024@MONMOUTH-EMH3.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      FAQ Question?

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I try an keep track of instructions on TELNET'ing into commercial
databases (ie DIALOG, ERIC, ORBIT, etc), but the list is very incomplete.
Is there a list compiled that is FTP'able that contains this information?
THANKS
Capt Gary O'Neal, HQS US Army Comm-Elect Cmd
                  FT Monmouth, NJ
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From:         "Don Baker,
              Systems Manager - Cline Library" <BAKERD@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Cleaning up control characters

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Wally Grotophorst has written a nice little program called CITEREAD that does
a great job of cleaning up control characters in ASCII text files.  It is
"freeware" and is available for FTPing from GMUVAX.GMU.EDU in directory
named library.  This is in answer to Alan Boyd's question but might be of
interest to all.

Don Baker
Systems Manager
Cline Library, Northern Arizona Univ.
bakerd@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
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Subject:      Re: Spelling: DISC

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From: ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
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Date: 28 Aug 92 16:53:38
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In-reply-to: Bernard Lang's message of Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:22:16 CDT

I'm sorry, but the one true spelling is in fact 'wombat'. Can we get back
to real life now?

Anyway, the OED is now out on compact wombat, so you can just look it up
and see.

Simon
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