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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: English FA Cup 3rd round results
Keywords: games played Sat Jan 2nd
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:35:14 GMT

From the BBC World Service

All games drawn to be replayed on Wed Jan 13th

Surprise of the day
-------------------
HARTLEPOOL 1  CRYSTAL PALACE 0
Second Division (a.k.a. Third of old) Hartlepool beat Premier Leaguers
Crystal Palace at the Victoria Ground courtesy of an Andy Saville penalty
seven minutes from time. A crowd of 6,700 celebrated the victory for the
home team.

Near misses
-----------
MAN CITY 1  READING   1 (Sheron equalised for Man City)
OLDHAM   2  TRANMERE  2 (Tranmere were 2-0 up at half time)
LEEDS    1  CHARLTON  1 (Speed cancelled out Nelson's goal for the visitors)
SHEFF U  2  BURNLEY   2 (Adrian Heath gave Burnley a 2-0 lead)
ASTON V  1  BRISTOL R 1 (Rovers deserved to win at Villa Park)

Rest of the results
-------------------
NEWCASTLE  4  PORT VALE    0
BLACKBURN  3  BOURNEMOUTH  1 (Ripley 2, Newell for Blackburn)
YEOVILL    1  ARSENAL      3 (Ian Wright hat-trick, Yeovill late penalty)
BRENTFORD  0  GRIMSBY      2
BRIGHTON   1  PORTSMOUTH   0 (Crowd disturbances by the Portsmouth fans)
DERBY CO   2  STOCKPORT    1
WBA        0  WEST HAM     2 (Allen, Robson for the Irons)
WATFORD    1  WOLVES       4
MARLOW     1  TOTTENHAM    5 (game played at White Hart Lane)
SWANSEA    1  OXFORD       1
GILLINGHAM 0  HUDDERSFIELD 0 
WIMBLEDON  0  EVERTON      0

Games postponed due to frozen pitch
-----------------------------------
Cambridge   vs Sheff Wed
Ipswich     vs Plymouth
Luton       vs Bristol City
Notts Co    vs Sunderland
Northampton vs Rotherham
Leicester   vs Barnsley
Southend    vs Millwall
Crewe       vs (somebody)

Games to be played Sunday
-------------------------
Bolton Wanderers vs Liverpool
QPR  vs Swindon
and a couple more that I didn't catch

FA Cup 2nd round result
----------------------- 
BURY 1  WIGAN 0   (Bury visit Man United in the 3rd round)

Scottish Premier Match of the Day
---------------------------------
RANGERS 1  CELTIC 0  (goal by Trevor Steven)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Subject: Re: Come back Morna!
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.043640.25601@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez) writes:
|> >Wasn't she the one who coined the term 'Merkin' in this newsgroup?
|> 
|> Yup.  And then someone else [Russ?] countered with USAer, and it went from
|> there.

Hmm.  Could have been I don't remember.  No doubt if she's reading all
this wistfull, longing chatting about her she's getting a real hoot out of
it.  8-)  Soneone else I wish could again get back to us is Christian
Schuh.  Anyone heard from him since his move to the disconnected
backwaters of some Florida swamp?

-russ
From: 098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov (098802)
Subject: Rai?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:58:00 GMT

I have been noticing more and more this fellow Rai's name in the scoring lists
of Sao Paulo. I also thought I read recently that he is that he is the
younger brother of a well know frmer player. Was it Socrates?

Could someone give me some more information about him? How old is he? Will he
play for the national team do you think in 94. Is he really that good? etc. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rsherman@cs.washington.edu (Roman Sherman)
Subject: ignore this, please
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:25:18 GMT

Ignore this, please. It's just a test.
From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Juventus vs Liverpool
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:27:55 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <57418@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.101107.8117@news.columbia.edu> kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui) writes:
> ...
>>Did Liverpool beat Bayern or Juventus in history???
> 
> Regarding Juventus vs Liverpool
> 
> 1965-66 EC2 (1. round)   Juventus-Liverpool  1-0  0-2
> 1985    SuperCup         Juventus-Liverpool  2-0
> 1985    EC1 (final)      Juventus-Liverpool  ~39-0
>         (by number of killed fans; on the field the match actually ended 1-0)

Is this some form of moronic humour?

> 
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Dan
CBAR40@VAXA.STRATH.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: re: Re: RULE CHANGES
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:35:45 GMT

o  article <tom.6@varian.com>,
tom@varian.com (tom cao) writes:
>>Actually, ACCORDING TO THE LAW the clock SHALL be stopped when there is
>>an injury or if the referee thinks that a player is trying to kill time
>>by taking his time with a free-kick, goal-kick etc. The problem here
>>seems to be that the referees not always keep to this rule.
>
>>In practice, this is usually done as adding time. However, many referees
>>simply stop their watch and restart after the "delay" is over.
>
>        don't stop your watch otherwise you might forget to restart it!
>i mentally tabulate minutes lost for delays and extend the end time for
>no more than 7 minutes, except for unusual cases. Always ask another person
>to keep time also, just in case your watch or you screw up.

Referees should instruct  linesmen  during  their pregame to back
them up on time.  I also carry two watches  on  the  field,   one
runs   continueous   time,  the  other  I start and stop.  When I
assess center officials, I look for them to have a  second  timing
device so its a habit I've just gotten into.
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:46:44 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Thanks for the US player update, Soccer America seems to be quite current
with the latest developments.

As for the Soccer International story about Ramos, I too was a bit puzzled.
Why is the problem that the US faces with its top players in Europe for most
of the year any different from the problems that the Brazilians and Argen-
tinians (and other Latin teams with European stars). They always have to
do what you suggest, namely play friendlies with the domestic squad and
hope that they can pull the WC squad together in a month or so after all
the European seasons end. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it
a FIFA edict that club teams have to releasinternationals so that
they can play in *meaningful* international competition? Why would Bora
*not* be very happy to have the European-based players back on a moment's
notice? After all, Ramos, Dooley, Harkes & Wegerle just stepped off the
plane before the US Cup last June and they did OK?

Admittedly, getting released for friendlies in which the Europeans have
to make 2 transatlantic flights and not miss a league or a cup match in
Europe is not going happen, but if Bora is smart, he will arrange a series
of friendlies in Europe in the Spring of '94 so he can have most of these
guys present and playing top national and/or club teams.

The more I think about it, the more the SI writer was uninformed about
the need for the USSF to pay the players' clubs to release them for
a full two months before USA '94. In what other country would such a
suggestion be made?

Anyway, I suspect the SI "problem" will be much less serious than the
article would suggest.

Best, Chris

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From: fabio@inagaki.nuie.nagoya-u.ac.jp (Fabio Casablanca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: San Marco: Petroni not Van Basten
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:48:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Inagaki Lab., Dept. of Info. Eng., Nagoya Univ.


ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>>The only San Marco (apart the one from Venice) is Marco Petroni ...

I agree 100%.
I add that I see a difference between the early Gullit(Sacchi?)'s Milan and nowadays
Van Basten(Capello?)'s Milan.
The former could dominate having fun, while the other is really a machine.
I would say, as a matter of style, that V.B.'s Milan seems to be more a
Berlusconi's Milan.

>>Former Milan supporter who has switched after Berlusconi took over and
>>turned a team into a machine.

You should know that the destiny of the Milan supporter is to suffer, when we
lose because we lose, and when we win because we win (at least now) in the
most un-Milan-like fashion.

So re-join us and enjoy the bittersweet taste of the successes.

fabio
From: croberts@axion.bt.co.uk (Chris Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Naaarwich vs Town & tickets....
Keywords: tickets, lack of
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:11:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

This evening (21st), the mighty Ipswich are travelling a few miles up the
A140 to Norwich for the first East Anglian league derby for 7 years. Now this
match is one of the high-lights of the season for Town fans, but the "management"
at Norwich is having a good go at spoiling it for Town fans this year.

We have been allocated a measly 1,300 tickets, which sold out in 90 minutes with
many people who had been queueing for hours not able to get tickets (*). And now 
to rub salt into the wounds, Norwich have so many tickets left that they are
GIVING them away to the unemployed, etc. The Town ticket office at Portman Rd
claims that they could have sold in excess of 7,000 tickets.

WHAT A BALLS UP - but about par for the course for Norwich. If it wasn't
on Sky, I'd be *really* upset.

Chris

(*) Including guess who?

"Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way"
"Oh what fun it is to see Ipswich win away"

=====

Chris lives at : BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH, IP5 7RE, UK
Chris can be e-mailed at : croberts@axion.bt.co.uk
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Le Championnat, week 19
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:40:28 GMT
Organization: Association Nouvelle des Girondins de Bordeaux FC

In article <UfBDjBW00ioXI49kYR@andrew.cmu.edu> Jad Nehme <jn1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.soccer: 20-Dec-92 Le Championnat, week
>19 dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (10104)
>
>>     An excellent debut from the young Aquitainien, this victory lift
>>     Auxerre to the top of the league and means that they are crowned as
>    fall champions. 
>
>Which doesn't mean that much since Marseille  has yet to play Lille.  A
>victory from Marseille would put them on the top of the list.  A draw
>wouldn't change change the top list, but the four top teams would have
>the same number of points (26).
Eh, they will still be fall Champions :-) Because the match will be played
next year... :-)
>
>	Anyone knows if and when the match is scheduled?
Thanks to Michael who told us.

Now, when I'm here, I add that the draw for the 8th round of Coupe de France
is the 6th of January.
>
>-Jad
>
>PS: I can't believe the changes in the ranking this past month.  With so
>many teams so close to each others, this will be an exiting year.
Correct!!!! 

Kent
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Come back Morna!
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.043640.25601@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez) writes:
>
>I agree completely.  Garry, you seem to have every article archived somewhere.
>How about a repost?  :-) 


Seems "Stuart Pearce's Left Foot" (aka Ian Copping :-) has beat me to it.
I know I archived it somewhere... must be on some blasted backup tape!

And it was really nice to see Morna post here for the first time in ages!
And a new bairn, no less!  Congrats!  (I'll have to e-mail the congrats
since I'm sure she isn't reading r.s.s lately)


	HAPPY NEW YEAR to all in r.s.s !

(Logging in from home during a much needed long Christmas holiday break...)

-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
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From: richm@informix.com (Richard Mortimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Wright or Wrong
Keywords: temper_temper, ian_wright, put_yer_feet_up_for six_months_lad
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:03:15 GMT
Organization: about nine in the morning GMT
Originator: richm@asterix

Ian Wright may be a great prospect for England but he's obviously
a bit short of grey matter upstairs.  Anyone who can deny striking 
an opponent in the face of clear cut video evidence must be living
in a dream world.

He appears to be ready to put his England career on the line to 
protest his innocence.  When he is banned (as Paul Davis was for a
similar incident) he will have plenty of time to stew over the 
incident.

He will have let down not only himself, but all his Arsenal and 
England teammates too, but I'm not sure if this selfish act will
ever change his behaviour.

 \      /  Rich Mortimer, WATFORD FC - THE HORNETS
 \ ---- /  
 <| vv |>  "Red sky at night - shepherd's delight,
   \../	    Red sky in the morning, Luton's on fire"
    ""
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Rule suggestion: free kick delayed until the ball is lost
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:22:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

---------------------------
One sees often that the referee has it hard to choose, whether to whissle
a free kick or let the game continue after a foul. Also either choice doesn't
really give any kind of penalty, if both choices are equally useful.

Would it be possible to delay the whissle until the fouling team gets the
ball as in hockey?
---------------------------
There is a clause in the laws of the game that specifically directs the ref 
to not call a foul if, in his opinion, he is satisfied that doing so would 
result in giving the advantage to the offending team. This means that should 
a team keep the ball and have a viable opportunity to continue without 
letting the defense get set-up the ref should allow play to continue. 
However, MOST players will not allow the referee to do so. They will argue 
that the foul should be called and create such problems for the referee that 
he will call many things that don't need to be called.

Refs are taught to never sacrifice game control for the sake of allowing the 
"advantage clause". Given the current attitudes of players that usually 
translates into not applying this clause at all. Sigh.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: lewisf@mencs.demon.co.uk (Lewis Foti)
Subject: Rules
Distribution: world
Organization: Mentation Consultancy Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:00:58 +0000

Does anybody have a machine readable copy of the rules. If so
could they please email them to me, either as ASCII text or uuencoded.

TIA Lewis


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From: haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)
Subject: Ultimate size/weight
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:51:07 GMT


>This may seem naaive, but what is the "official" ultimate size, weight?
>I was just wondering if tournaments are the same as other play.
> ... PATOC@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

5 feet, 4 inches, 115 lbs.

(sorry :-)
anja
From: zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Tourneys
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:10:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfDxr=K00WB2EGpGkh
Distribution: world
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I forgot to copy the list of tourneys to my account.  And since then
it has been deleted from the bboard here.  Could someone please send me
a copy of this list I was especially interested in the Savage Seven
tournament listed sometime in Februrary or Jan.. I think that this
particular tourny was in Virginia.

PS:  GO STEELERS

PSS:  If you've heard a foul ""immediately"" (that is without a moments
hesitation) followed be a contest call then I would say that there is a
SOTG violation there.  Or there is at least probably something wrong
there.  Just my two cents.

IRON "That wasn't me playing for Yuk in 85" MIKE
From: goosnarg@access.digex.com (karl r.s.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: East-coast Tournaments
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:56:34 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: country
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

hey, im a new user on the eastcoast.
if anybody out there could send me a list of regional tournies, to the
best of their knowledge, i would much appreciate it.Once the summer
begins, ill be travelling, so any and all tourney info would be very
useful. on the east coast i represent a fairly large team, however,. so
maybe we'll come and play you
thankx
-karl.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)
Subject: tourney list
Followup-To: Article 3185 (Tournies West of Rockies)
Keywords: Tournaments 
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 00:12:08 GMT

>From andyrose@netcom.com

>Please send a list of upcoming tournaments West of Rockies,
>or post it.

Please post it (is there an official list of tournaments available
somewhere? ie. are there regional newsletters, ftp sites, etc.).

anja haman
haman@mprgate.mpr.ca


Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Subject: Re: Tourneys
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:04:14 GMT

Please send a list of upcoming tournaments West of Rockies,
or post it. 

thanks
Andy Rose - black team
Scott Rowe - red team


-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX   end killing
From: "Thomas Griesbaum" <KA04@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: European Indoor Ultimate Club Championships 1993
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:38:19 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world

European Indoor Ultimate Club Championships
Call for participation

The Ultimate team "Frizzly Bears" of Aachen, Germany, will host the next
EFDF European Indoor Ultimate Club Championships (EICC '93). The date
has been set for April 2nd - April 4th, 1993 and invitations have been
mailed to all European EFDF members (national associations).

If your team is interested in participating in this international event,
please contact your national association for more information and have
your officials sign your team up at:

Alex Kloetzel
Reumontstr. 42
W-5100 Aachen
Germany
phone: +49-241-31367
fax:   +49-241-82517

I can also pass on more information to interested teams.
-------
Thomas Griesbaum, European Flying Disc Federation (EFDF), President
ka04@dkauni2.bitnet/ka04@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/thgries@ira.uka.de
From: ewebber@access.digex.com (Eric Sean Webber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: SUPERBOWL 91 REDSKINS !!!!!
Date: 2 Jan 1993 21:39:44 GMT
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From: simon@earth.monash.edu.au (Simon Cox)
Subject: Re: 1993 Foster's Cup Draw - who cares?
Reply-To: simon@earth.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University Dept of Earth Sciences
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:33:23 GMT

Maybe I can incite some more discussion on this again.  

Is the Foster's Cup worth bothering with?  It is a horribly protracted affair, which starts too 
early, and pretty much fails as an appetizer for the AFL season.  It doesn't draw good 
crowds, and is a poor predictor of form for the real thing.  

How about a radical change for the pre-season comp? - I suggest a two day festival 
at Waverley, a knock-out comp of a reduced format game.  How about 10 or 11 
a side, (no half back/forward lines and only two followers) playing across the oval - 
two ten minute halves per game.  This would be similar to the various "sevens" comps 
which offer a great spectacle for Rugby Union fans.   A few other rule changes might 
be necessary - eg a shooting circle (no kicks for goal until within 40m) to discourage 
big kickers from just trying to ping from the other end of the shorter field.  

Is there any existing cut-down version of Footy that could be used?  
(I didn't grown up with this sport - but am a dedicated convert.)  

Simon Cox