HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 05:00:53 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
 <1992Apr08.185737.29844@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>
 <92100.05173032JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
 <1992Apr9.123425.5140@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>

Salam Alaikum :

         Those who are writing against paradah whether they can go for jihad ?
or can they sacrifice their lives in the course of Allah ?  Our Shaheeds Hamzah
 (rz), Umair, Maaz, Maooz and many more, whether they sacrificed for these days
 that muslim men and women openly decline the Quranic teachings ?

         Only 'party muslims' they do not like paradah, they do not pray, they
violate basic Islamic norms, they take interest, they are involved in the lust
of opposite sex, they drink and they are :

         "Ye muslaman hain jinhain dekh ke sharmiyen yahood'

         But remember :

          'Zuban nai kah bhi diya la illaha to kiya hasil
           dilo nazar jo musulman nahi tu kutch bhi nahin'     iqbal

        Please remember that the issue is not limited to this few days
mortal world, this goes to the day of the judgement.  Once Josh Malihabadi says
(naoozbillah) :

              Sharab-o-utribo mashooq ke siwa
              Rakkah hi kiya hai jahane kharab main
              yarab khatian maaf zara ye mughe bata
              kiya tu koi gunah na karta shabab main          josh

  Further he says :

              'Mila jo maoqa to rok doonga hisab ki din atab tera
              'Paroonhga rahmat ka woh qadisa ke hans paraiga jalal tera

  And Allah Sabhanaw says :

     'Wajaa Rabbuka wal malaku saffalla yatakallamuna illa man azina lahur rehm
anu wa qala sawaba, zalika yumul haq, famanshaattakaza ela rabihi maaba'

     'When the Arsh of Allah will be brought and angels will stand in
lines then who has courage to open his tounge in front of the Allah Subhana, on
ly the approved people and they would say the right words, this is the day of
the judgement, those who wants they can try for having place for this day near
to Allah Subhanaw.

    Holy Quran says 'Wash Shurao Uteebehumul ghauon, alam tara Annahum fi kulle
 wadi yahimon, lema taqooloona maala tufaloon'  (Follower of the Shaer are lost
people like them, they roam in all the valley and what they say they do not ac
t accordingly ). (sura shuraa).

       When the people showed their mental and tounge strength against Quran, I
 remember my old darse quran, and I quoted this here for myself and my brothers
 and sisters those who care otherwise on the day of the judgement the 'Jahanna
m' will ask 'hall mim mazeed'  (do you have more), (May Allah save us from this
) and Allah Subhanaw said 'I will fill the hell with jinn and insan (of course
the violators ). 'I made the Quran easy for understanding and advice, so is the
re any one who could take advantage ?' (sura qamar).

           'Jo zikre mustafa (s) say dil to girmaya nahi kerte
            haqiqat main woh lutfe zindagi paya nahi kerte '

                                              Salam Alaikum.
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Useless bachis
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:55:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Subject: Re: Useless topic? (was Baacha, Baachi, Kaka,Kaki...)
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX


>I fully agree with the uselessness of the above topic, or such topics.
>(The topic may, however, be of great interest to linguists, who it
>appears to me, devote their lives to the cause of tracing back
>words to their obscure origins. Such attempts, are however justified
>on the basis that such historical trace allows us to gain insight of
>historical influences, which inturn help  us 
>understand better our ownselves).


Irfan I read your followup where you apologised for the hasty judgement. 
There is an option I exercise when I see topics related to Islam posted
by the likes of Mr Jafry. Its called 'killing with article(s)' I hate to be rude
but due to our discussion about bachis, Adil & I found some common ground about
poetry. I was rather enjoying the discussion. Aap kee aur Imrana shaiba kee 
khidmat maiN arz hay kay agar aap do va teen logoN ko kisse topic pe baat kartay
daikhaiN aur aap ko topic pasand na ayay to ba-rah e mehrbani, 'n' ya 'k'
key daba diya karaiN. Refering to MIT and the day of judgement is pretty sad.
If we spend 14 hours in front of the terminal, why should it bother someone if
we indulge in a little madness. It is really not asking for too much.

Please don't take it as a flame. Its more of an iltaja :)

 
Naveed
From: khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: For all Qadiani friens
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:14:34 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia




Again sorry for not sending salam. That is because we can not send salam 

to those people who do not believe on Allah (the only difference is, Qadianis indirectly, Hindos

directly).  

I think it is not falt of our Qadiani friends, because they were born in a

family which was not muslim like Hindos and other non muslim religions. But

allah says that no one will have excuse of not knowing the fact, or no one told

them the fact.  like other non muslim these people will also be questioned and

they will not have any excuse.

My best suggestion for these people is, not to follow their forfathers and come

out of the false and useless thought.  (May Allah give you people Hidayat)


Regards

Tariq Mohammad Khan
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Munir Report and Maududi and controversy.
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:13:23 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


I am not ``justice munir follower'' as one netter will put it and nor am
I gonna quote him. I have been following this discussion among some learned
netters and I feel that what ever was said about Maulana Maududi in 
connection with munir report was true (IF the part of report posted by a 
netter was true).  I don't think that matter at hand is the character or
``services'' of justice munir BUT some statement of Maududi was being 
discussed.
What ever the position of justice munir may be in history of Pakistan and
no matter what his decissions did to Pakistan, it still does not change
the fact the Maududi did make those statements in supreme court of Pakistan.

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Belief of Ahmadis
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:10:41 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


   We are Muslims. We believe in God, Who is One, and in Kalima. We believe
   that the Quran is the Book of Allah and Muhammad, (peace and blessings of
   Allah be upon him), is His Prophet and Khatamal Ambia. We believe in the
   exixtence of angels, in the day of judgement, and in the existence of
   Heaven and Hell. We say our daily prayers, keep fast during Ramzan and
   turn towards Qibla. We consider it our duty to refrain from whatever Allah
   and His Prophet forbid us to do and to do whatever they commanded us to
   do. We have no authority to add or detract anything from the Islami
   Shariat. We accept as part of Islam all that has come to us from the Holy
   Prophet, whether or not we understand its raison d'etre. by the Grace of
   God, we are Momin, Muslim and Muhawahhid.

           (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad--the Promised Messiah and Holy Founder
            of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam.)


Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6542 soc.culture.indian:14449
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: *****P.M.T.******continued...
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:06:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr10.173429.27656@crc.ac.uk> fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>
>        P.M.T. (Pre - marital Tension)
>       -------------------------------
>***The 'Mister' above were taken from the experiences of Urvashi Sojitriwala and
>Farha and of course are true. ********* 

	   I hope that people see the bitterness of the medicine sugar
coated in humor. The sad reality is that women do get the short end of
the stick as matches are made in heaven. [Men do get some tick as
well, but that is a spearate topic.] Fortunately or unfortunately,
we have "progressed" considerably in the last centuries.
Unfortunaltely, "match-making" algorithms have been unable to keep
abreast of this "progress". As the variation in individuals has
increases, we get to know our colleagues better rather than
prospective spouses. 

	   Salman [bliss of solitude] Azhar

-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: REPEAL THE CONSTITUTION
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:56:00 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <92102.16480632JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>        In your posting you mentioned that Islamelis due to their superb econom
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^

???

>         'Mera ser sharm say ghuk giya hai'what the non-muslims will think abou
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>t muslims: 
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Seriously, do you realy care about this??

>d and with dignity and with humbles (keeping the spirit of fath mecca) call the
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't think so!  honestly.

>a lion body (Sher Khuda) is there.  But 'naqqar khane main tooti ki awaz' no bo
>dy wants to listen.

:) :) :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: A sad news
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:41:37 GMT

>From: towfiq@FTP.COM (Mark Towfiq)
>Subject: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
>Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:25:14 GMT


>Washington, D.C.--Representatives of the American Baha'i community
>today announced that a prominent Iranian Baha'i, Bahman Samandari, was
>secretly executed in Tehran on March 18 and was buried two days later
>in an unmarked grave in a Tehran cemetery.  Authorities refuse to
>disclose the location of the gravesite.

If Bahman Samandari had not committed any CAPITAL offense, 
this  is  a shameful and condemnable act against humanity.
Human life is more important than IDEOLOGY, philosophy of life.
It must be respected at any cost.

Alas! who will convince the MULLAH?
From: 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: reply: Nasir Ahmed Noor
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:47:35 EST

In article <1992Apr3.130711.10114@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
> 
> I think Nasir Ahmed Noor Sahab you do not remember the day when Allama Tahir -ul-Qadri
> Invited your recent peer for an Open Manazra at Mirare--Pakistan. Could you tell
> me why your peer had ran away. The claim of Tahir-ul-Qadiri was, I will make him
> muslim. If i am fail to do so my neck can be separated from body.  Even though your peer had
> great chance to prove his religion as perfect islamic religion but why did he ran
> away. He had another good chance to kill Tahir-ul-Qadiri.Why did not he do so.

Are you talking about the same Maulana Tahir-ul-qadri who is charged with false
propaganda about his murder and kidnaping? Look some of the pakistani news
papers from the last two three years and find about the character of this
Maulana?
Munawar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Have you driven a Floyd,lately?
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.mirza.703286856
Organization: Carleton University

ts2@cec2.wustl.edu (Talha Siddiqui) writes:

>In article <mirza.703114458@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sajid Saeed (Floyd? Nah!!!)) writes:
>>
>>>Interesting discussion we havin' at Pink Floyd's expense! Anyone else care to
>>>join, or is it just me and...
>>
>>>				sajid [Sniper at the gates of Pasadena!] Saeed
>>
>>
>>assalam alikum
>>
>>No i haven`t since i know that it actually means F(l)ix Ol(y) Repail Daily/
>>Monthly/Yearly.
>>
>>I can't understand why Pink Floyd, why not Aziz Mian???
>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> To keep buffoons like you off the Net! Or did Aziz mian also do ACID???

>>khuda hafiz.
>>
>>all standard disclaimers apply.
>>
>>Murad[Ghalib'e'Waqt]Mirza. 
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>But what about Pinky...Ghalib...alive...kicking ???

>Talha Siddiqui.

assalam alaikum

Anyway who the buff#$@ are you? to say such buffuuunery!!
watch your words when you write!!!

khuda hafiz

and Ghalib had a reality and integrity problem too!

Murad[your faithfuul servant]Mirza.
From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Taan Sain
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:23:05 GMT


During Eid I Watched PTV Haseena Moin serial Taan Sain. I would rate it
as one of the best work ever done by PTV. Its productiion was imaculate
(even with PTV's limited resources). Script written by Haseena Moin is
fantastic and completly different from her usall style(which is also very
good). Acting of all the actors and actresses was very natural so as there 
language(pronunciation).

I enjoy listening to light ghazals but,
I think for the first time i really enjoyed listening to some raags also.
Watching Taan Sain is highly recommended when ever you plan to have a day's rest
watching it will give you a real rest.  I for one will not recommend to
watch it in haste or while to talking to other people. 

Any comments from those who already watched it?  who was the producer?
and who were the singers apart from Tina sani and Nayarra Noor? the video i
saw does'nt give these things.

S.R.Raza.
From: murtza@andromeda.rutgers.edu (SANDMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: TEST PLEASE IGNORE
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:51:29 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

JUST TESTING MY SIGNATURE !

SEND ME EMAIL IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT IT
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Fitter ki Dictionary
Keywords: fitter
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:30:43 GMT

assalam alaikum

	tumhi reikhtay kay ustad nahi ho mirza
	kehtay hain aaglay zamanay mein koi amer bhi tha

open to interpretations and additions

Fit - 1)singular of feet; 2)    when a mashriqi father sees his daughter
				with a boyfriend he goes into a Fit 

FitNess - female of LochNess monster

Fitter - title recieved after passing 5th level from Fitters Academy

FitterKata - practice or repetition of words from this dictionary

FitaeMoun - term used by customs officers at karachi airport to greet
	    lightly loaded passengers

FitBal - A healthy looking hair

Fitting - Bad word (censored)

CurriculumFitae - bad resume

FitGerald - an extension to Gerald Ford's name after his Bypass operation

FitNa - 1) used in punjabi as follows: are you 'Fit'? answer 'Na'
 or Nah 2) used in english as: are you 'Fit'? answer 'Nah'

FitFat - term used for politicians who are also feudal lords

FitakDance - dance performed by people in a Fit

FitalSigns - invented for people who cannot pronounce 'V'

GoliFit - no meaning at all (research topic)

MisFit - no meaning yet (ongoing research topic)

more later open to additions (amer qureshi if you are reading please
lighten or enlighten us further)

Murad Mirza.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 17:34:59 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
 <92103.21150332JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
 <1992Apr13.135140.28004@sarah.albany.edu>
 <92105.05532832JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>

Salam Alaikum :

      I wrote the verses of Ahzab from my memory but I checked this morning aga
in and again,please read the first word'Aiyonnibo Qul leazwajika .... rest
 is ok'.  I am sorry, somebody made me so confused that I was lost, then I chek
ed the book.  I am going to check the book of Pickhtal and Maudoodi's 'pardah'a
gain, still I am not convinced that the word 'muslimina' is not there?  This is
 impossible. salam.
From: khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Again for Mr Nabeel or other Qadianis
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:35:44 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia



I think nabeel you have given the wrong statistical data of the people

accepting Qadianiism. Why i call it Qadianiism,m because that was started 

in the Qadian only and it used to be the religion of people belonged to 

Qadian only, then it transfered to Punjab (pakistan) only, why not in the 

sind, because  the man claimed as a prophet(Naoozo billah) was a Punjabi,

Of course his followers must be Punjabis, no Pathan, no Baloch, no Sindhi,

no gujrati, nobangoli, no Memon, no biltistani, no Barohi.  The statistical

data (500 every day)given by Mr Nabeel was a biast and unbelievable.  

Ghulam Qadiani has been a trouble for the muslims, it has been more than 

100 years sincen his arrival or his claim of being prophet but this topic

has been a trouble for the muslim and you are saying that he was a rahmat

for the muslims a white lie.  Essa Alah-e-salam will be recognised by the 

people in very first second and will be offered of leading the Mamaze Jajar

, these are not mnie words it is in the Hadith, not only in a single Hadith

but in number of Hadith.  None of the Prophet has been a conflict among the

muslim and will never be.

Allah knows that there are different others religion than Islam and there 

has been different Fitnas but Allah takes Exame of his noble man that is 

why Allah does not want to kill the evil power, otherwise Allah could have

killed Iblees (Shetan-e-murdood) first.  Why Allah has left these evil power

free is, he wants to take the exame of his noble man and wants to see the 

Iman in the heart of muslims.  Allah could have killed all non muslims

(Beshak wo her sheh per Qadir Hai) in the world, but by doing this his noble

man would have better chance of examin. Above is reason why Allah did not 

destroy Ghulam Qadiani.  Allah could have saved the grand son of his greatest

Prophet in the war of Karbala but he wanted to take the exame and make Hazrat

Imam Hussain a live example for the muslims and also wanted to save the 

Islam in that way (Islam Zinda Hota Hai Her Karbala Kay Baad).  

This world would have been a Janat had Allah destroyed all the false and Evil

powers,people, but a good muslim is one who shows his greatness by secting all the 

Fitnas and stays great,clean, and Pak.

Mr Ghulam Qadiani was a great man but suddenly he got the attack of Iblees

(Shehtan) and that was the time when he could have saved himself from this

attack and that was an exam from Allah but Ghulam Qadiani failed to pass 

that exam and result is infront of all the world, he died in a worse place,

(even not chosen for Yahoodis).
From: haider@pi.rice.edu (Haider Abbas Rizvi)
Subject: Re: Dr. Akhtar Hammed Khan, Sher aur Ahmek
Reply-To: haider@rice.edu
Organization: Rice Universiy, Houston, Texas
	<1992Apr7.234609.13074@athena.mit.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:24:18 GMT

Hi guys/girls, 
Has anyone read the rhyme in question. Can someone post it on the net or
email it to me. I would like to read it before passing any judgement on it.
--

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| haider@rice.edu     		       | Abercrombie A147, Rice University, |
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From: aq0@engr08.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Factoid....
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:50:47 GMT


FACTOIAD:

In 1991 MQM lost most of the labor union elections in organizations 
such as KPT (Karachi Port Trust), KESC (Karachi Electric Supply Corp)
KRTC (Karachi Road Transport Corp.), Shipyard etc.

In KESC MQM fought under its own name, in other cases they supported
certain groups.

But they still have CBA in Pakistan Steel Mills.

source: Weekly Zindagi, March 3, 1992 Issue.
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: joke....(be a darling, post one now)
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:40:25 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas

do maulvi kisi dawat me jaiten, 
jab khana lagta hei, too dono khanay per dat jatin hein,
wo dono itna khtay hein ke ek maulvi khatay khatay mer
jata hei, doosra maulvi yeh dekh ker khana khata rehta he
magar rona shroo ker dita hei, log us sey ronay ke waja
pochtay hen to kehta hei kay "mujay peta mei be mer jaoon gaa".

translation:

two maulvis go to a party, and at the time of eating they
just eat and eat, suddenly one them dies of eating, so,
the other one on seeing this starts crying, but doesn't
stop eating.When people asking him the reason of his crying he
says, i know pretty soon i am going to die also..


NB: if you know a better joke post it, i guess this one is OK,
    might as well be a stinker...

    its better than
    those holy fights on the NET.....


Amer [paying $1.21 to AT&T, for calling Pakistan, and hate it] Qureshi.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Mr. Maudoodi and Minority relations
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:05:37 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
>Subject: Re. Maudoodi and Minority relations: Who is right and wrong?


Mr. Hyder

Under the heading 'Mr. Maudoodi and Minority relations'
I quoted only Munir Report in which Mr. Maududi gave testimony
UNDER OATH.


>        whatever the treatment of Muslims in `N',
>	even if  they are treated as ASHOOTS & MALEESHS, we can not
>	and will not sacrifice our "principles" and start
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       persecuting the minorities in `M'!!!!!!!!
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is not what he said there when he was speaking the TRUTH.
Read carefully why commission asked such  QUESTION?

>>cczaziz@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz) writes:

>>To paraphrase, Maudoodi was asked by the court: since your concept of
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>an Islamic state, if implemented in Pakistan, would deprive Hindus
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>etc. of many fundamental rights, how would you react if in India the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Hindus established a state in accordance with their religious laws and
>>started treated Muslims as untouchables?
>
>>Maudoodi replied that he had NO objection if such a Hindu state was set up in
>>India (because they had a right to do that if the Muslims had the right to
>>establish an Islamic state in Pakistan).
>

>14: The above is clearly my position and not Mr. Arshad Hussain's
>     because Mr. Arshad Hussain has deliberately quoted Maudoodi
>     out of context. 

I did not write the question in my first post, Zahid Aziz wrote it.
If this was the contex you were looking for(your point#14)
you got it.


Munir asks that his 'Islamic' state will be CURSE on minorities, is he
objecting Hindus to do the same to Muslims in India should they choose to
form a HINDU state.
Mr.Maudoodi says: YES.
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