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From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Phone number for TGV inc.
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Oct14.165355.24016@nosc.mil>, mike@jammin.nosc.mil 
(mike pawka) writes...
# 
#	408-427-4366
# 
#						Mike

They also have a toll free number.  1-800-KEN-DOLL or 1-800-CALL-KEN
or 1-800-HI-BRUCE, JUST KIDDING FOLKS, it's really:


TGV Inc:

	1 - 8 0 0 - T G V - 3 4 4 0


	Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Accessing Infoserver through DECnet/Tcpip routers
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:45:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

   We are going to enter soon the CSLG program of DEC. In order to distribute
the software and reading the on-line documnetation DEC suggests their
Infoserver. As far as I know the infoserver uses some low-level protocols
to access its disk (LAST?). Our university is divided into a few campuses
which are connected with routers that pass only DECnet and TcpIp. Any idea
how to access the Inforserver in this case from remote nodes? Will it support
DECnet access?
                                                    Thanks, __Yehavi:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Yehavi Bourvine (4X6DD),     Phones: +972-2-584279,     H
Computation Center,                          +5686      H
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem,  +972-2-521574      H
Givat-Ram,  Jerusalem  91904                            H H H
                             Fax: +972-2-527349         HH H
BITnet:    YEHAVI@HUJIVMS                               H   H
InterNet:  YEHAVI@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL                       H
Israeli DECnet:  HUJICC::YEHAVI                       H
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Help! How to start multiple appl from a C program
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct09.162552.4121@huldra.tdata.no>, trhv@huldra.tdata.no (Trond Hvoslef) writes:
>I hope somebody can help me with this simple problem.

RTFM!
>I am trying to
>write a VMS C program that starts other programs in the background.
>Everything works OK when i do it from the command line, or run the 
>following script:
>
>$ set display/create/transport=wintcp/node="trhv-x"
>$ spawn/nowait/input=nl: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$PUZZLE
>
>The decwindows "puzzle" program pops up on my X terminal.
>However, when I try to do the same (i.e. run the command script)
>from within a program like the one below, nothing happens unless
>I remove the prefix "spawn/nowait/input=nl: " from the script.

The part of TFM you should read documents LIB$SPAWN.  Or, if you don't happen
to have TFM handy, try UTFHF (the first and last two words are Using The and
HELP facility):
	$ HELP RTL LIB LIB$SPAWN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: KERBEROS as replacement for SYSUAF
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:40:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

Sounds like a good idea if a bit of a challenge.  I hope you
have talks to DEC about it and arrange to discuss the issues with
the other people who have worked on related projects.
From: palter@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Bill Palter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Where is a user from??????
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:53:40 GMT
Reply-To: palter@twg.com
Organization: The Wollongong Group
Originator: palter@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU


In article <16OCT199220542032@vxcrna.cern.ch>, huber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Sepp Huber, CERN -4439,-6712) writes:
|> In article <16OCT199217263415@vxcrna.cern.ch>, huber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Sepp Huber, CERN -4439,-6712) writes...
|> >In article <19757.2adde135@ul.ie>, 9113797@ul.ie writes...
|> >>Does anyone know how I can tell  were  a user is logging in from
|> >>if he/she is telneting in from another country onto our vax .
|> >>On a UNIX (spit spit!) you can tell where they are from by using 'who'
|> >>eg.                                    
|> >>Guest      pub      Oct 15            (130.201.1.25)
|> >>                                            ^
|> >>                                            |
|> >>         From there ------------------------+
|> >>And I was wondering if anyone knows a way to do this on a Vax/Vms.
|> >> 
|> >Did You ever try 
|> >      SOW USERS/FULL user   ?
|> Carl S. Lydick just informed me: not all TCP/IP implementations provide
|> this information. 
|> UCX and Multinet do, WINTCP does not!
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		WINTCP does put the remote informationin the SHOW USERS/FULL
display. 


Bill Palter
The Wollongong Group
Palter@wco.twg.com
From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Q: Supressing output of DECW$START_LOGIN on the console.
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:43:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

   I am running here a few non-DEC Xterminals. In order to have the login window
I am running DECW$START_LOGIN program (using an XDM process).
   When the login window is displayed and the Xterminal is turned-off the
login process will timeout and disapear. However, when it times-out it writes
an error message to the console terminal. Is there some logical name which
can prevent it?
                                                 Thanks, __yehavi:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Yehavi Bourvine (4X6DD),     Phones: +972-2-584279,     H
Computation Center,                          +5686      H
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem,  +972-2-521574      H
Givat-Ram,  Jerusalem  91904                            H H H
                             Fax: +972-2-527349         HH H
BITnet:    YEHAVI@HUJIVMS                               H   H
InterNet:  YEHAVI@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL                       H
Israeli DECnet:  HUJICC::YEHAVI                       H
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica)
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
Originator: ghica@duck
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:17:18 GMT


In article <2276@sunny.lif.de>, sys_hjk@LIFRA.LIF.DE (Hans-Joachim Koch) writes:
|> In article <00961A1E.99D1C140.9421@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU>, spinillo@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU writes:
|> >Can anyone help me determine a monetary figure to charge for CPU time?
|> >We have never had to do this, but we need to determine a pro-rated figure
|> >for some documentation. We are running a VAX8250 with 2 ra82 disks.
|> >
|> >please send replies to my personal mailbox.
|> 
|> I have the same problem, so please post any ideas. Are there some basic 
|> rules how to get such values?
|> 
|> Thanks. Hans.
|> -- 
|> Hans-Joachim Koch, Computer department of Lahmeyer International
|> Lyoner Strasse 22, POB 71 06 51, D-6000 Frankfurt (Main) 71, Germany
|> Phone: +49 69 6677-642, Fax: +49 69 6677-571, Tx: 413478 li d
|> Email: koch@lifra.lif.de, dk9om@dk9om.ampr.org [44.130.25.45]





how about 
	(cost of the system / lifetime of the system)

	= (salaries of operators and managers) * %time they spend on it +
	  (maintenance costs) +
	  (leasing or interest purchase costs) +
	  (electricity costs) +
	  (backup media costs) +
	  (printer paper costs) +
	  (removal costs at the end of the lifetime) 
	- (residual cost at the end of the lifetime)
	------------------------------------------------
	  lifetime of the system.


	The latter can be the number of minutes over 5 or six years, say
	or the fraction thereof that the system is up.




-- 

"I am a brain, Watson."
"These views are my own. / Mail me or Flame me"
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: General POSIX information
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:15:55 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <01GPTLLQAXL895OVHV@ccmail.sunysb.edu>, SKAPUR@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU (Sanjay Kapur) writes:
> Call me a cynic, but I do not believe that members of IEEE or ISO standards 
> procedure process are really interested in encouraging standards.  If they 
> were, the standards would be much more "freely" available and easier to apply.
> They are really interested in the perks, privileges and travel that 
> accompanies the standards procedure and are afraid of loosing them.  Meeting 
> in expensive hotels is more fun than discussing subjects in open electronic 
> mailing lists.  It is also easier for large companies to make deals and 
> compromise standards and make them incomprehensible in a closed setting.  

  I agree with _part_ of your argument. I suspect that the IEEE "organization"
sees the sale of documents as a large cash cow. I had a falling out with the
IEEE many years ago (over IEEE 696, to give you an idea how long ago). Thus,
they'll never see another cent from me.

  However, I suspect that their volunteers are hard-working folks who freely
give of their time in the hope that the standards will help the community at
large, despite the organizational policies. Most standards groups meet in some
real hellholes on occasion. While we hear about the week in Geneva, etc., we
don't often hear about all-night negotiations in some too-small, un-climate-
controlled room. I think the volunteers are owed some thanks.

  [Hmmm. This sounds just like another thread here, the "DECUS vs DEXPO sem-
inars" one, where folks freely give of their time and knowledge only to have
the product sold for a large profit...]

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: system@NIUHEP.PHYS.NIU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re:ucx clustering also: Q: dir/full under ucx
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:20:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hello again,
(    sorry about the last message under the above subj, my mailedit com file
 doesn't want to let me QUIT once I have started editing a file.)
    I mostly solved my problem of getting ucx 1.3 internet clustering
to work, it is required that set comm/forwarding  be used.  This allows
those nodes that are not impersonating the cluster to forward the
connection attempt until it reaches the right one.
    I still have a problem with dir/full when ftping into my cluster, it
gives the dcl dir/full.  I would prefer to set it just to be a dir/siz/prot
or some other limited subset.  Does anybody know if that is possible?
    thanks for any help.

Robert Morphis

system%niu.hepnet@lbl          BITNET
system@niuhep.phys.niu.edu     INTERNET
NIU::SYSTEM                    HEPNET

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lance Gay)
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:06:13 GMT

For the last six years, we have had a cluster of VAX 8650's and about
20 RA81 disks.  Our rates have been pretty steady over the years.  Our
typical rates have been:

CPU time:    $200.00/hr
Connect time:  $2.00/hr
Disk storage:  $2.00/Mbyte/week
Laser Printing: $.07/page

Realize that these rates pay for our depreciation, space, air-conditioning,
staff labor costs, supplies, software, and maintenance.

Coming up with rates is an art.  You have to keep rates low enough to 
encourage usage but high enough to recover costs.  That is, unless you
have a captive set of users who have to use your machines no matter what.

Like many VAX centers, our usage has gone down consistently over the last few 
years.  Our primary users were engineers, who now use worksations and fast
PCs.  Our document preparation users now all use PCs as do our business
users.  

We have just gotten rid of our old machines are are leasing two VAX 4000/500's
from DEC.  These are used as Pathworks file and print servers (if you can't
beat the PCs, join them).  Users will not be individually charged anymore
for their usage.  This is good in that I hated to do the accounting.  Its bad
in that I will now have to nag users to keep their disk usage down.

Whatever rates you come up with, the users will consider them unfair and too 
high.  They will tell your that their PC is rated as half as many MIPs as
your VAX and you should charge PC-like rates.   They forget about things
like your are paying for their software and doing their backups.  

The good old days of everyone doing all their computing on the VAX is passed.
From about 1978 to 1988, most of our large defense projects were done on
networks of VAXes.  Those days are gone -- its all workstations now.

Lance J. Gay                                 Internet: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com
TRW Systems Engineering & Development Div.   Phone: 310-764-3988
Carson, CA  90746
From: LULA%npd1.ufpe.br@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Luiz Carlos Soares)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: help me neters
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


 Temos um decserver-200 conectado a nossa rede.
 Atraves deste decserver permitimos acesso via telefone.
 Gostaria de saber como poderia fazer para controlar esse
 acesso a rede via o decserver em termos de horario.
 Isto e' como determinar horarios para acesso a rede atraves de decserver.
 Se alguem souber ficaria muito grato pela informacao.

 Meu e-mail:  lula@npd1.ufpe.br

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: wbt@cs.tulane.edu (Bill Thomason)
Subject: Verification error on Standalone Backup
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:48:18 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25141]: proteus

I just finished doing a standalone backup on my MicroVAX 3300 running
VMS 5.4-3.  During the verification pass I got the following errors:

%BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 91 of
    RFXXA$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]UCX$ROUTE.DAT;2
%BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 92 of
    RFXXA$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]UCX$ROUTE.DAT;2
%BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 93 of
    RFXXA$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]UCX$ROUTE.DAT;2

I did a standalone backup last week after upgrading to UCX 2.0 and got a ton
of these error messages on the UCX$ROUTE.DAT file and UCX$PROXY.DAT files.

As you can see, this time around I did not receive any errors concerning the
proxy file.

I'm not quite sure what the errors point to - bad tape media or bad blocks
on the hard disk.  The standalone backup that I performed this morning was
done with a new tape (TK70 drive).

Has anyone run into this message and what did you do to fix it?

Also, I noticed that the UCX$ROUTE.DAT file version 2 mentioned above was
created about 4 seconds after version 1.  Why was this file created in the
first place?

thanks in advance,
-bill
-- 
Bill Thomason                           Email: wbt@cs.tulane.edu
Dept. of Computer Science                      thomason@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University                              rex!wbt
New Orleans, LA 70118
From: anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: TDMS corrupts my stack !
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:25:54 GMT
Organization: IKEA Northern Europe AB

Hi again

Here are a question on TDMS that DEC won't touch ! We have a problem in a
store abroad (=not Sweden) where TDMS our application crashes upon return
from a TDMS subroutine. It is verified that the stack (actually the PC in
the last call frame) is corrupted. Stange enough this problem ONLY happens
in one store (one of 100+). They have all the same VMS version, TDMS and
RDB and so on. The only difference is their data, and sitespecific system
parameters (wich I have checked).

If anyone in Netland have heard (or seen) this problem, please hint me and
I will summarize the possible solutions.

Thanx

Anders
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Dynamic??? Sysgen Parameters
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:12:39 GMT



16-OCT-1992 10:41:31.13
 

Hello:


We have a curious situation where when we make changes with supposedly
dynamic sysgen parameters, the actual change dosen't take place until
a reboot has occured. We discoverd this by accident when someone had
been increasing the parameter DESMBXBUFQUO , a dymamic parameter,
in an attempt to improve DECwindows performance.When he saw no
effect he continued to increase it until he had put it at a level
where it was going to cause a problem. It did cause problems after
a reboot and we could not undo the damage until we rebooted again.

Aren't changes in dynamic parameters supposed to have an immediate
effect? What would cause the change not to go into effect until
after the reboot. 

We have a 5 node cluster running 5.4-3 .

Thanks in advance.

Kevin R. McHenry



From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Omen Technology
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 22:54:30 -0500

Omen Technology's BBS, "Telegodzilla" is at telephone number
 
+1 503 621 3746.  
 
 
 
I wouldn't recommend trying to ask Chuck Forsberg any questions
 
about Zmodem unless you are willing to pay for the answers.  His
 
BBS no longer carries the ZMODEM documentation or the Public Domain
 
Zmodem sources.  
 
 
 
The only way you can get the material is to order the "Developer's
 
Kit" for Zmodem from him for $89.95.  
 
 
 
I am, however, using the original documentation for the purpose of
 
creating an Internet RFC describing how Zmodem works.  
 
 
 
Anyone who wishes to ask questions about ZMODEM may do so by sending me  
a message to Internet address TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM as I check that 
 
mailbox at least once a day, 7 days a week.  This BBS address is checked
 
infrequently. 
 
 
 
I cannot necessarily answer questions about the VAX but I have studied  
how Zmodem works and I've been using it for three years on a daily
 
basis.
From: brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS mail and binary files
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:03:30 GMT
Reply-To: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX

In article <1992Sep27.092412.367@rniwh.rni.sub.org>, ecco@rniwh.rni.sub.org (Martin Sckopke) writes:
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>
>>>$ MAIL/FOREIGN filename.ext recipient
>
>>It can also be invoked from within MAIL:
>
>>MAIL> SEND/FOREIGN filename.ext
>
>There seems to be a problem when using send/foreign or mail/foreign using
>poor mans routing and psi.mail:
>
>I tried to do sth. like mail/foreign filename.ext recipient
>where recepient may be 'psi%123412341234::another_node::user',
>where 'another_node' is connected to 123412341234 via DECnet,
>which did not work. CSS told me this is not supported. I was using
>VMS 5.3 and PSI 4.3 (or was it 4.1 :-()
>Could anybody comment on this ? Or is there a trick to do it anyway ?

This definitely does work with PMR.  I use it quite heavily on our network.
The only condition is that every system visited between your system and the
target system must be running a high enough version of MAIL-11 protocol to
properly pass block mode data (in 512 byte records).  Specifically, all
systems on the path need to be VMS V5.0 (?) or greater running PSI V4.3 or
greater.  If you are using foreign networks or transports for part of the
data's journey, they must be up to snuff as well.

_______________________________________________________________
Harvey Brydon         | Internet:   brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Dowell Schlumberger   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
Kubrick fans will note that the HAL 9000 became operational on 12-JAN-1992.
From: venenga@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Help with $BRKTHRU system service
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:06:49 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

VMS gurus:

    I am trying to use the $BRKTHRU system service, and am having a problem
that I don't understand.  I am trying to send a message to a user, and am
getting a DEVOFFLINE error message.  I have OPER and WORLD (not to mention
SYSPRV), but still no success.  Below I have included the source and the error
message.  I am new to using system services, so any and all help will be
appreciated.  We are running VMS 5.4-3, and the program is written in Pascal
(Version 4.2).  E-mail would be best, as I don't usually read this group. 
Thanks for the help.


-jay

Error message received:

%SYSTEM-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not available
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC

WATCH_TERMINAL  WATCH_TERMINAL                     40      0000008E  0000050E

-----------------  Program follows ----------------------------------------

[INHERIT ('SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.PEN',
          'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$STR_ROUTINES.PEN',
          'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES.PEN')]
PROGRAM use_brkthru (OUTPUT);

TYPE    $UWORD  = [WORD] 0..65535;
        io_status_block = RECORD
                          status    : $UWORD;
                          bytes     : $UWORD;
                          dev_info  : INTEGER;  
                          END;

VAR     exit_flag   : [VOLATILE] UNSIGNED;
        iosb        : io_status_block;
        test_mess   : VARYING [255] OF CHAR;
        user_name   : VARYING [12] OF CHAR;
        
[ASYNCHRONOUS] PROCEDURE perform ( i : INTEGER );
BEGIN IF NOT ODD (i) THEN LIB$STOP (i) END;

BEGIN { main }
    
    { Make sure the cursor is on a blank new line }
    WRITELN;

    user_name := 'VENENGA';
    test_mess := 'This is a test';

    perform ($BRKTHRUW (msgbuf := %DESCR test_mess
                       ,sendto := %DESCR user_name
                       ,sndtyp := BRK$C_USERNAME
                       ,iosb   := iosb
                       ,flags  := BRK$M_SCREEN
                       ));
    perform (iosb.status);

    { Send final message }

    WRITELN (user_name, ' ', test_mess);
    WRITELN;
END.

------------------------- End of program -------------------------------------
-- 
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