From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Sex Education <fairly long, but good!>
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:11:33 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson TX
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In article <1992Sep23.152306.30091@watson.ibm.com> johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>Yes, no kidding.  

That was sarcasm.  To me it was obvious the kid not cleaning the room
did not *want* to.

>You're using this as an example that teenagers don't
>make wise decisions, when in fact it IS a wise decision from their
>point of view.

Oh, that's a good one.  Wisdom is suddenly available to any point of view.
Like for example a teenager who decides to go out drinking instead of room 
cleaning.  That's wise, because the teenager doesn't get high from a clean
room.  Is that what you are saying?  Are you saying Wisdom is doing what
you want?

>|  >Did you ever stop and think why it's so important
>|> >that they clean their rooms anyway? 
>|> 
>|> Oh, yes.  If you can't see that, then nevermind.  The whole discussion is 
>|> over your head.

>"If you don't know, then I'm not going to tell you.  NYAH NYAH NYAH"

If you don't like it then stop insinuating that I haven't even thought
about this.  Or I may keep it up ;-)

>Now answer the question.  Why spend all that energy nagging a teenager
>about such trivia?  
>It's his 

her

>room; let him decide how it looks.  If
>you don't like to look at it, close the door. 

If I don't like to look at it, I will close the door.  If it is a pig sty, 
I will insist it be cleaned.  I'm talking about degrees, here.

>|> Do you have kids?

>Yes I have kids, but they're not old enough for this to be an issue. 

How old?  

>Enlighten me O experienced one.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a jerk.  

OK, it goes like this.  Kids don't magically import this
thing called responsibility from Cuba, you have to teach it to them.

Getting them to clean their room teaches them that they have to compromise 
with people that they share space with, and it teaches them that they have 
to be responsible for their belongings.  Since my wife and I own the house, 
I think it is appropriate to expect that we can esatblish guidelines for how 
the house looks by all that occupy it.  He/she will have to learn this 
lesson later in a harsher way if not now.

Also, one tends not to step on so many dangerous things if the room is not a 
serious pit.

Mind you, it is unrealistic to expect everyone to be neatnics.  But there 
should be limits.

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