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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Taipei has terminated the diplomatic relationships between ROC and S. Korea.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:00:47 GMT


One question, what is the total trade between the ROK and ROC? I would 
suspect it to be less then $5 billion U.S., and less then trade between
ROK and PRC. Ideas anyone?
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From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: PREMARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCIETIES - Cont'd [Clarification]
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:22:18 GMT

Hello to all!

I am glad a lot of netters respond to my mail.  I guess due to my bad English,
some people are either confused about what I am asking or just impolitely
questioning my logical thinking <-- someone already send me such impolite 
email.

So, why don't I rephrase the 2 Q's I have posted last time:

Q1:  To your knowledge, is there a growing trend of people engaging in
     pre-marital sex (in Chinese societies such as Hong Kong, Mainland and
     Taiwan)?  If so, how serious has it got to?
Q2:  If you are, just like myself, against the idea of pre-marital sex, what
     can be done?  (e.g.  In a couple of years, you'll have kids.  What are
     you gonna teach them in this subject matter?)

*** NOTE *** Those who DON'T think pre-marital sex is a problem, PLEASE KINDLY
             not send any flame!  Because I just wanna see how people would
             answer my 2 Q's.  Don't mean to argue or persuade people to stop
             doing such activities.  I respect those who choose to engage in
             such life-style totally.
             FEEL FREE TO POST A NEW TOPIC such as "Pre-marital Sex -Pros&Cons"
             but I personally don't wanna get involved in such argument since
             I have already gone thru' such before.  I have my own stand now 
and
             I WILL STICK with it.

*** A REQUEST ***  So far, most people that respond are guys.  I am really
                   hoping some female netters will respond also.  I am sure all
                   netters (both females & males) will respect what you say.

MANY THANKS,

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)

******** KEEP  THE   DISCUSSION  GOING ****************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mann Me)
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:43:33 GMT

In article <6236@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

>racial feelings that are uncalled for.  Americans *are* better than
>Chinese in a lot of things, high technology is just one of many.

Not for long.  Look around you and see all the Chinese around!!
Flip your respected journal and see the Chinese names there.

>What the Chinese people need to do is say, "Hey, we can do that too
>if we try hard enough," and then they should go and do it.

The Chinese can already do that (whatever you mean). What they 
need is stop fighting among themselves, have better managers 
and planners and work with a concerted effort towards a common
goal.

Me  Hann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen)
Subject: Re: US sale of F16s to ROC reconsidered
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:39:05 GMT

I read from the United Daily Newspaper that Ukrain IS selling the PRC aircraft
carriers.  But it'll take at least 10 years for the PRC to learn how to operate
it.  At this point, if they get the aircraft, they can only put in a harbor for
show...according to the newspaper in Taiwan.  It took quite a while for the
US to learn how to operate a 5,000 crew nuclear aircraft carrier without killing
anyobody on board.  So...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.214106.17958@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>>         I don't know what is "RTFM" and "RTM".
>
>No big deal. But this is supposed to be known at the first time you read net
>news. I guess it's somewhere at news.announce.newusers or something like that.

	No wonder I don't know them since it has been too long ago.

>Next time if you ask your system administrator some questions and he is
>very impatient to tell you "RTFM", you'd better know what does it mean.

	Gee..., next time throw lots of acronyms back at her/him.

>Sorry, don't get mad.

	Well, no problem.
	I was also using that to point out a point that started
	this: don't using irrelevant argument/statement on other's
	character and motivation.

>Just like you don't enjoy my words, I don't enjoy public statements like 
>"your idea of net usages is not right."

	So, is it right about his definition of personal attack and other 
	stuffs? You can certainly say "my idea of network use is not
	right", instead of using something entirely emotional.

>does not requre him to sign, why you are forcing others to do something
>he doesn't like to do? Isn't that "Chiang2 Ren2 Swuo3 Nain2", right?

	I did not ask/force anyone to sign one's name; I disagree with
	his/her justification of not signing. I think I repeated that
	since my first response. I did not object your justification
	of not signing due to KMT's monitoring, did I?

>Talking like God Father, "your idea of net usages is not right", 
>is not very pleasant to me, at least.

	Sorry that statement offended you. I am used to be pointed
	right or wrong and vice versa; with reasons of course.

	Since this is going nowhere and is not the original argument I
	was in, I'll quit.


Yung-Kao Hsu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.211032.17661@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.212553.27330@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>>
>>What kind of racist statement is this?
>>You have a bad car buying experience, but that is
>>no reason to label Koreans as a lousy people.
>>
>I didn't have a bad car buying experience.  Sorry for that I didn't describe
>the reason why I said so clearly.  That's because that Taiwan signed a lot of 
>Morden UnEven Agreement with S.Korea and S.Korea did get a lot of economical 
>benefits from Taiwan.  I coincide that's a racist statement but not for no
>reason.

Well, you don't have to describe anything clearly, your racist statements are
clear and ignorant, no explanation needed. As for the termination of diplomatic
ties, I sensed it was coming, considering the far larger economic ties with
the PRC, and the enormous investments in China. You must also consider the 
populations of both nations. Although I am not approving or disapproving of
the action, I can say that I sensed it was coming, and I can understand their
reasons.

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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:02:44 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <92225.093731U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.023703.17719@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
> Chang) says:
> >
> >|>   Yeh,  Taiwan's education has failed long time ago since those
> >|>   people from mainland China fined native Taiwanese school children
> >|>   for speaking Taiwanese in schools. I don't know who is to blame, either.
> 
> I am not spreading hatred. I am just asking people to be responsible to
> what they have done, just as we are asking Japanese to be responsible to
> what they have donn in World War II.

I don't know how this topic being deviated to the 2.28 crap again.
People are always being fascinated by one side of the story. Why I didn't
hear the people who slaughtered the mainlanders stood out to claim their
responsibilities. Should they be tried impartially now, too?

Mr. U38250, you are spreading the hatred definitely.
I recalled from the Chinese newspaper in US that the ROC government officials
have expressed the apologies to the massacred (both natives and mainlanders).
Why do you keep you eyes blindfolded? I don't blame you if don't read
newspapers. Perhaps you were fouled up by FAPA propaganda.

PS. I proofread this post twice. I hope the Motorolan proofreader can
do this for me if he finds any mistakes.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:07:32 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Aug14.184410.11868@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.170916.2139@odin.corp.sgi.com>
yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
|> >
|> >What I am going to say here is not intended to accuse anyone but
just facts.
|> >
|> >We all in silicon valley should remember that a couple weeks ago, a
guy from
|> >Sun Micro System was fired because of his postings on gay issues.
|> 
|> Could Mr. Chang be more specific? The information provided here is
|> really too little. Could Mr. Chang or anyone else ellaborate for
|> people not in Silicon Valley?

I am in a hurry and really afford the time to find the newspaper (SJ Mercury)
that covered this. I learned this morning my father just passed away and I
am going back to taiwan and will not talk to you guys for a long time.

The guy at sun was fired because of the bad words and attitude he had
against gay people.

|> 
|> I really doubt SUN can/will fire a person because of one's sexual
orientation.
|> On the contrary, if one post a news to reveal others' sexual orientation,
|> he or she might get fired for infringing of privacy.
|> Without knowing the content of that posting in question, hardly can anyone
|> pass judgement here.
|> 
|> >I remeber there were cases that employees were fired/sued by hi-tech
|> >companies because they gave out company sercrets. The company found out by
|> >monitoring the e-mails.

The stand of the companies took was that since the systems (h/w and s/w)
were company property, the company have the right to monitor it.
To my best knowledge, it is still under legal process.

yu

|> Legal expert netters please supply advises on this issue so people can 
|> talk safely and still enjoy job security.
|> 
|> To my knowledge, evidences collected with illegal means can not be presented
|> on the court of law. Therefore, if a company found its employee giving out
|> comapny secrets *by* monitoring their emails, it seems to me that company
|> is collecting evidence illegally. But I have absolutely *no*
confidence on my
|> knowledge about this issue. I knew it's illegal for a company to tap
|> telephone lines to monitor its employee's phone call unless sufficient 
|> evidence can be provided to the district attorney to issue the company a
|> warrant to tap the phone line. But even US law seems  to be much lagged
|> behind the development of technology. If this is true, there is no law
|> regulating these kind of issues.
|>
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Only a Joking
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:27:48 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


 

                      New Picasso Painting
                      ====================
                      ( One Sun finger )

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Who like this painting??????  If you like it, you also can draw a special picture
for everybody!!!!!!!!!!

Only a Joking, I hope that everybody don't mind it!!!!!

Yu.
(If you have any special pictures, you can send them for me.....
 My address : c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com (Cho-Li Teng)
Subject: Re: Don't ride MARTA (Atlanta)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:58:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., NSDD

In article <66435@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt2768b@prism.gatech.EDU (JENGLUNG LIN) writes:
[]Since Olympic 1996 in coming to Atlanta, the rapid rail system -MARTA decides
[]to use multiple languages to guide tourists. The languages include Japanese,
[]Korean, but NO Chinese.
[]
[]Chinese is not less than Japanese or Korean in population. I think MARTA is
[]just discriminating against Chinese.
[]
[]Let's show this to them - DO NOT RIDE MARTA until the situation changes.

It will not be sufficient enough to bring any attention to MARTA in Atlanta, GA.
Just NOT RIDE on MARTA!!

It would be better to write letters to the related organizations in the area and
strongly suggest the authority(-ies) (MARTA ??) with good reasons why they
should include the Chinese in that service.

Just my immediate feeling when I read the above news.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:01:14 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug21.001636.14987@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

> Taiwan achieved great deal economically, 
> is admired by most of Chinese in mainland, does not have a need to seek
> recognition of her achievement through competetion with mainland in
> international politics. 
> 

	** Would the economic development of Taiwan depend on
	   her international political status? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: "Ping1Ying1" --> "Pin1Yin1"
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.112214.3649@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>	** I really don't see ANY difference between yours and mine.
>	   (is any difference between "in" and "ing"?)
>

Yes. With 'in', the tip of your tongue will end up touching your upper teeth,
wheras 'ing', the tip goes as low as possible. 

Similar contrasts can be found in Cantonese also:

bin1 bing1 -->	whip ice
sin1 sing1 -->  angel star

....

NGOK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: Re: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Summary: Well...
Keywords: Maybe she's not interested in you, man!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:05:38 GMT

  Well, yes, he became my collection. (what a terrible word!)

  Do you guys really think he is poor?  Well, since I am better than my
friend, you should be happy for him because he got a better one with the same
low price!

  Actually, I am the buyer, not him.  Since he was turned down by my friend
previously, he lost the courage to chase me even though he wanted to.

  To naturalize the other lightbulb?  Well, don't you think that it sounds like
"Silver heart" and "49" in "Lem, Sun-Bo and Chiu, In-Tai"?  What a mess!  Ha!

--Chrisitne
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Ping1Ying1" --> "Pin1Yin1"
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:22:14 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug20Th130549a.danj1@ihspa.att.com>, danj1@ihspa.att.com (~{;}5$Da~}) writes:

> Eric> using Ping Ying between mainlanders and non-mainlanders.
> 
> You guys, it's "Pin1Yin1" (when written in pinyin), for heaven's sakes.
> 
> (yes, of course in many areas' local Mandarin speech both of these
> sound the same... but I just hope we can at least use the (pinyin)
> "dictionary" (or computer input keyboard table) spelling when talking
> about the name Pin1Yin1 itself...)

	** I really don't see ANY difference between yours and mine.
	   (is any difference between "in" and "ing"?)

	   Of course, that is why I got pretty low grade in this part
	   of English or Chinese.

	   Nevertheless, I know this is not only my problem. I think
	   it also should be a problem for those people who develop
	   computer Chinese input system.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:52:07 GMT

In article <l8ls59INNsi7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM
(Steven Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug12.210244.12121@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <92225.093731U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>,
<U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> >> In article <1992Aug12.023703.17719@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
|> >> Chang) says:
|>> >
|>> >|>   Yeh,  Taiwan's education has failed long time ago since those
|>> >|>   people from mainland China fined native Taiwanese school children
|>> >|>   for speaking Taiwanese in schools. I don't know who is to
blame, either.

I fell it is very very important for people to know that
I did not say the above.
Unfortunately this happened when we respond on top of one another

On the contray, I see improvements in taiwan education year by year.

yu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: stevek@corwin.barra.com (Stephen Ko)
Subject: Mainland Fever Hits the Island
Organization: BARRA - Berkeley, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:02:33 GMT

Taiwan's foreign reserve has hit the highest among all the nations, and 
Taiwan has large number of foreign direct investment.  However, the ruling
political party of Taiwan refuses to allow Taiwan business man to invest
in mainland China, fearing that, "becoming dependent on China will subject
political pressure from Beijing".

I have a strong urge to tell the Taiwan politicians to keep their hands 
off the free economy.  The people in Taiwan ought to have as much right as 
business man from other country to invest in Mainland China.  After all, 
the more economical miracle that the people of Mainland China experienced,
the more likely that they will favor a more democratic country.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
The opinion expressed in this new is entirely my own.  It has nothing to
do with BARRA.

Steve Ko, Broker & Dealer Group.  Barra Inc.
Project: POrtfolio System for Institutional Trading
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: WSR & BSR
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:45:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T


We are in the middle of the emotional WSR/BSR dispute again.
Here is my opinion on this topic.

There are about 3 million so called WSR in Taiwan today and 
many of them are related to those drafted (or kidnapped) by 
the Army.  Most of the WSR were just trying to make a living
in the past decades just like other BSR were doing.  Those 
WSR were, and still are, excluded from the power nucleus of 
the party machine.  Therefore, I try very hard not to bundle 
all the WSR as a ruling class when I comment government 
conducts.

If I am supposed to dislike the WSR, would somebody explain 
to me why?

Eric
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:58:12 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(1) chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>>Nope, culture is a way of life subject only to spontaneous modifications
>>through generations.  Politics, on the other hand, is about public
>>affairs, is fluid, and can change over night. Do I answer your question? :-)

(2) kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com writes:
>Get a life! Assume you are right, then tell us what kmt and ccp have
>been trying to do in Taiwan and china for the last 40+ years.  Tell us
>why a number of people in Taiwan resist those "spontaneous modification
>processes". Tell us how they resist the modifications. Now explain to
>us why politics is not the single most important factor in the
>culture.

Isn't it clear? People resist the politically-enforced modifications
because it is not spontaneous. Such modifications would be hard to get
into people's life, hence, in the long run, will not be integrated into
the culture.

I am trying very hard to get a life, thank you for your advice. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: s8901116@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Sute LEI)
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:47:31 GMT

In article <92227.130430U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> U38250@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>(2) No more WSR or BSR, please. If we were all born and raised in Taiwan,
>just consider we are all Taiwanese. Let's work together for a better Taiwan.
>
>Come on, guys, don't be emotional anymore !



Good on you, Mate!

Finally, we have a nice guy here.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan