HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: AUUUUG! December ship on July order!
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:21:10 GMT

montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg) writes:
> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
> |> 
> |>     Well I just got the word from my local NeXT resellor:  The NS3.0/
> |>     CD-ROM bundle that I ordered in early July will not ship until mid-
> |>     December.  I only have on thing to say about this:
> |> 
> |> 	Aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!
> 
> I suspect that the problem lies with your reseller and not with NeXT.
> I ordered the 3.0/CD-ROM bundle hours before the end of the special
> $695 offer and I installed it yesterday (and it arrived days before
> that).  Looks like some other entity dropped the ball....

The special 3.0-bundle offer ended today, Sept 30th.  How did you order  
something today and install it yesterday (and have it delivered even  
earlier)?

More seriously, it's not fair to just assume that "your reseller" is the  
problem.  I know we (the micro store here at RPI) have not received all the  
3.0/CD-ROM bundle offers that we have ordered.  A reseller can not give you  
something that they have not received.

I suspect that many owners waited until Release 3.0 was shipping before they  
ordered the CD-ROM bundle, and as a result NeXT received a lot of orders  
this month.  I can believe they might be behind due to that, though I'm not  
very happy about the delay.  I stand to *lose* the CD-ROM drive I already  
have (to one of our customers) if the backlog of orders isn't caught up with  
in the next 2 weeks.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Message Center functional?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:08:21 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In comp.sys.next.misc, wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III) writes:
>I just hooked up my new Hayes ISDN Extender.
>... I hooked up a POTS line ...
>and ran the MessageCenter demo from 3.0.  Every time I run it, it asks me if I
>have an ISDN Extender hooked up and I say yes.  Anyway, it then goes into its
>waiting mode.

Everyone that uses POTS hits this problem.  The first time you run it,
you must answer NO to the hooked up question, set the line type to
POTS, then restart.

Curt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: What's the status of the NeXT ?
Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:42:43 GMT

I haven't followed c.s.n.* in quite a while, so I'm out of touch with
the NeXT market.

Anyone care to give an answer (or a guess) to the following questions?

1.  How many NeXT's are out there now ?  How many of those have color ?

2.  What's the situation with X/Motif on the NeXT ?  Do real NeXT users
	scorn Motif apps ported from other platforms ?  Is an X/Motif
	implementation for the NeXT easy to get ?

3.  What other scientific apps exist besides Mma ?

I'm just curious I guess.  A year or two ago, people were wildly
speculating whether or not the NeXT was going to make it.  I am
just wondering if the answer is any clearer now.

-- 
Eric W. Sink, University of Illinois
e-sink@uiuc.edu
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From: vlahos@cubism.portal.com (Harry Vlahos)
Subject: Re: ISDN-kit -- Does it exist?
Organization: -Independent NeXT Developer-
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 04:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep20.065426.601@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay  
Feiler) writes:
> 
> There's a rudimentary Demo program called MessageCenter in 3.0.  I got it up  
> and running earlier today, and it does indeed function as an answering  
> machine.  It has occasionally taken more than one try to get it up and  
> running though.  There still seems to be some flakiness in the loadable  
> kernel server for phonekit.
> 
> One big disappointment is that the POTS mode doesn't do any tone detection.   
> Kind of annoying, because I can't get ISDN lines here yet.  Hopefully someone  
> will eventually upgrade the DSP code, so that we will get tone detection....
> 
> 
> 
> /---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -\
> > | Curt Welch - KCW Consulting           By 1995, there will be just two  
> kinds |
> > | curt@kcwc.com - NeXTmail please!      of professionals:  Those who use  
> NeXT,|
> > | (703) 938-4152  FAX (703) 938-5756    and those without Jobs.                
> |
> >  
> \---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -/

How is someone supposed to do a sophisticated answering machine
program if you cannot at least duplicate the current functionality
of a $50 answering machine ?  I too was disappointed that you cannot
do DTMF detection on POTS lines.  I am willing to shell out the money
to buy ISDN Extender only if I can use it on a POTS line until
I have something else to connect to using ISDN.  I believe that the
POTS appliations far outweigh any ISDN application (at this time).
I don't know anyone else besides the phone company that has ISDN !!!

HV

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From: mahmud@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mahmud Haque)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Third party servicing place for fixing 17" mono monitor
Date: 6 Oct 1992 04:44:39 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


We have a 17" monochrome NeXT monitor that is really faded and also
not under service contract. I have been quoted  really a high price
by NeXT's authorized service providers, almost as much as a new
monitor's price ( with educational discount). If anyone can provide
me with a third party solution for fixing the monitor, please respond.

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Mahmud Haque                 Internet: mahmud@bcm.tmc.edu
Division of Neuroscience   	 uucp: {uunet,shell,rice}!cephalo!mahmud
Baylor College of Medicine     Bitnet: mahmud%bcm.tmc.edu@CUNYVM
Houston, Tx 77030                      mahmud%bcm.tmc.edu@PSUVAX1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Subject: Re: CRASHME crashes NS 3.0 in less than a second!!!
Reply-To: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:32:52 GMT

In article <BvFunJ.E1H@gate.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)  
writes:
> 
> So what.  Almost every Unix system is crashed in < 2 seconds by Crashme.
> 

IBM says that RS6000/AIX3.2 can't be crashed by CRASHME. Any confirmation  
about this ?


(BTW: AIX can be crashed by many other measures, :-))))


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley)
Subject: Re: Need help installing ZyXEL U-1496E modem
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:42:56 GMT

In <1af7d9INN119@network.ucsd.edu> asp@chem.ucsd.edu (Alexander S. Polinsky) writes:

>2. In in /etc/ttys I put

>ttyda   "/usr/etc/getty D9600"          dialup          on

Try ttydfa
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From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley)
Subject: Re: The New NeXT Keyboard
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.032652.5060@wam.umd.edu> marauder@wam.umd.edu (Joe Jacobson) writes:
>	Just read the Winter 92 issue of NeXTWORLD.  I see that NeXT has
>finally gotten around to using ADB devices.

Can this new keyboard/mouse combo be plugged into the back of my Q1 '91
vintage MegaPixel display?

Chris

-- 
Christopher D. Audley
Elec & Comp Engineering
The Johns Hopkins University
Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Modules for adding functionality (was: Re: 3.0 Librarian) (long)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:43:32 GMT

Dave Griffiths writes
> [...] in the context it sounded like Mike was suggesting making use of
> "modules" to overcome shortcomings in Mail _now_. 

Actually, if someone is willing to do the programming on this, this wouldn't be  
bad.  Perhaps someone at NeXT would be willing to update Mail.app (yeah,  
right...) that used this, the MailKit could be distributed with it.

> I assumed (or rather hoped) that  "modules" were a fancy new feature of
> 3.0 that let you add functionality  to an app. 

I don't know about this.  There might be something that functions like this,  
but as of right now, to my knowledge, there is nothing.

> Now I'm probably being stupid again, but if this module or kit was
> supplied by NeXT then it couldn't be upgraded by a user could it? (Be
> nice if it could).

(It sure would be nice), but I agree.  Based on NeXT's releasing of source to  
the other Kits, I doubt that if NeXT made such a thing they'd release the  
source.  On the other hand, would they be willing to accept something that was  
freely available (under the GNU license) and include it with standard  
disribution?  It could only HELP apps like NG and Mail.

> But if you're talking about some design goals for a third party Mail and
> News reader, then yes, it clearly makes sense to share functionality in a
> kit of some sort.

Yeah, that's what I was yakkin' about before, but now that I give it serious  
thought (in relation to it's ability to be used in more currently available  
apps than NG) I think it's a great idea, but one with little future.

Oh well....I guess, once again, it's up to the small developers to make  
something more useful than what NeXT sells.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
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From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Keywords: Peace and Quiet : -)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:59:57 GMT

In article <tlm.718249912@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II) writes:
>Sadly, there's little to do about it now (except complain, which we're all
>quite good at :-) but perhaps I can offer a better solution to Louis' original
>question --- i.e. a solution with pagenumbering, headers, etc. which runs on 
>any NeXT --- which at least "calms the waters" on one aspect of this 
>question.  Why not have everyone put their documentation in troff??  I
>just checked and troff seems to be fully installed on both my 105 Mb internal
>(I keep a skeleton system in case of "big disc failure") and my external
>whcih has the extended OS.  I'm no big troff fan, would have difficulty
>writing a letter in it to be honest, but often get documents in it from
>collaborators and can obey the instructiosn necessary to view and/or
>print it.  Associated figures/screen grabs could be in EPS files numbered
>1, 2, 3, .....  which the reader could view as he/she read through the 
>document.  I would even assume it's trivial to write a shell script 
>that would drive the troff file, and it's figures, to a Postscript (or, 
>better yet for those with the full OS, TeX) document?  
>
>It seems to me this would be a great long term solution since troff comes
>with all Unix systems --- I don't want to pick a fight, but some have
>recently said the NeXT doesn't come with a bundled WP: actually, it comes with
>several, nroff, troff, Edit, TeX, etc. It's just that it doesn't come with
>WriteNow, which has a particularly convenient combination of features, anymore
>--- and there are lots of troff --->> XXXX convertors.  Again, I'm no
>troff expert, but is there any reason it couldn't serve as a standard for
>documentation?  (I agree that TeX and InfoTeX are out because that would
>just be another screw for those with small discs).  


Yuk.  Just use whatever Word/Document processor you want and save it
in PostScript format.  If you want multi-platform compatibility, then
use FrameMaker (which exists on _every_ platform).  FrameMaker is
freely distributable in it's read-only form without the license
string...


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rallan@helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Reply-To: rallan@helical.com
Organization: Helical Systems, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:21:26 GMT

Michael Glenn writes
   
   > >Greatly disappointed,
   > 
   > You ain't alone.  This sucks.
   > 
   
   Ditto.  NeXT really knows how to completely aggravate their customers.
   
   How about a new group?  comp.sys.next.complaints.  I'm quite sure they'd  
   get hundreds of postings every month.  I'm also *VERY* sure NeXT would  
   completely ignore that group entirely.


You know, guys, I really think this all shows a lack of understanding or tolerance for  
the problems of companies like NeXT. They don't manufacture the guts of devices like  
CD-ROM drives, and have to contend with problems with their suppliers, which means that  
customers have to wait in turn. You don't suppose that NeXT is deliberately making you  
guys wait, do you? And do you think that perhaps they should have held up the delivery of  
3.0 'til everyone had a drive? Or maybe they should have not even announced these drives  
and 3.0 until they had enough for the entire user base?

Give them some credit for doing the best they can, as fast as they can.

-- 
Robb Aley Allan, The Gulfstream Group
220 Sunrise Avenue, Palm Beach, FL 33480
voice: 407/ 832-4013   email: rallan@helical.com
Co-founder/director, Gotham Users of NeXT (GUN)
From: usbill@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu (Bill Canning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Recovering ROM monitor password
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:43:11 -0500
Organization: University of Missouri, Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: ustores.ustores.missouri.edu

Oops!  Can anyone point me in the right direction for instructions on doing
this?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Bill Canning			usbill@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu (Internet)
(314) 882-2131			muccgw.usbill@ssgate.missouri.edu (cc:Mail)
[314] 882=4699 (Fax)		CSPECWC@MIZZOU1 (BITNET)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: The New NeXT Keyboard
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:42:46 GMT

wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III) writes:
> marauder@wam.umd.edu (Joe Jacobson) writes:
> > 	Just read the Winter 92 issue of NeXTWORLD.  I see that NeXT has
> > finally gotten around to using ADB devices. 
> 
> So for those who get their copies of NeXTWORLD third hand about
> three weeks late, what is the deal on the new keyboard for those
> with old systems?  For example, can I just plug the new keyboard 
> into my NeXTStation, or do I have to get a new NeXT for the ADB?

It depends on what NeXT you own.

If you own a greyscale NeXTstation, a color NeXTstation, a greyscale Turbo  
NeXTstation, or a plain NeXTcube, the answer is No.  You can't use the new  
ADB keyboard/mouse combination.

If you have the older 17" color monitor (which NeXT now calls the "Fimi"  
monitor), the answer is No.  You can't use the new ADB keyboard/mouse.

If you have a Turbo color NeXTstation or a Turbo NeXTcube with a 21" color  
monitor, you may be able to get the new keyboard and mouse combination.  It  
depends on the serial number of your machine.
 	 NeXTstation Color Turbo above ABC-0016000
 	 NeXTcube Turbo above ABA-6000
could upgrade to the new keyboard/mouse combination.  You would have to buy  
both a new Sound Box and a new Starting Point Kit (which is the keyboard &  
mouse combination).  Total cost at list price would be about $350.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matthew Brandt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Alternate monitors
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matthew Brandt)
Organization: Impulse Technology
X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5v2

Has anyone out there tried hooking up alternate color monitors to
the NeXT? The 17" trinitron is pretty steep from them and is available
from some of the mac mail order places for around $1200. Does the
NeXT monitor have any extra cable routing or extras like their monochrome
display does or is it just a color monitor with a standard cable?

------------------------------------------------------------
Matt Brandt
Applied Engineering
matt@drefla.mese.com
------------------------------------------------------------
From: storti@beach (Duane Storti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 3.0 forgets dock contents
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct2.155426.21472
Organization: University of Washington

I just installed 3.0 on my cube and it seems to work OK, but for some reason  
the icons I placed in the dock get lost when I logout. Does anyone know how to  
get 3.0 to remember the dock contents? 

Duane Storti
storti@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: schmidmeier@evax12.eng.fsu.edu
Subject: Configure "standalone" after Net-use
Organization: Famu/Fsu College of Engineering
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:45:34 EST


Hello System-Administrators,

I had my NeXT connected to the Net via the ETHERNET port for
a while. Now I had to take it off again and operate it as
a standalone machine.
Although I set the Local Configuration in NetManager back to what
it used to be, my machine is still looking for the ETHERNET.
It interrupts the boot process with an errer message telling me
that the ethernet is down or my machine is not connected to it,
and then prompts for the hardware password.

What else do I have to change, to operate the machine again
without a network?

My  NetManager  Local Configuration looks now like this:

     Network Type               Address                 Netmask
x NetInfo Network          x Autoconfigure           x Default
o Non-NetInfo Network      o _____________           o Automatic
     Hostname                  Router                o __________
x Autoconfigure            x None                       Broadcast Addr.
o _____________            o Dynamic                 x Default
                           o _____________           o ___________

o NetINfo and Configuration Server
    
      NIS Domain Name
x None
o _____________



where   x stands for selected
        0 stands for not selected
        _____ is a text field


And it did look like this, before I put the machine onto the
network! What do I miss ???

Please mail help to     schmidmeier@evax.eng.fsu.edu

Thanks,   Rainer

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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: (?) help with troff... it's driving me NUTS!
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:57:13 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Oct2.130938.22072@cs.uno.edu> emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:
> is there *any* type of troff viewer anywhere that i can use on the NeXT?
> have some troff man pages for procmail that i'm trying to get  
> printed/viewed/whatever in some decent manner.

ptroff -man foobar.1 > foobar.ps; open foobar.ps # views it
ptroff -man foobar.1 | lpr # prints it
man -t foobar # same as above if foobar.1 is in your MANPATH
              # on other systems man -t requires some environment vars
nroff -man foobar.1 | less # look at a terminal formatted version
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: SLIP doesnt work
Keywords: SLIP
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.163636.5268@news.lrz-muenchen.de> yoda@next2.cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) writes:
>
>I have tried to install the PD SLIP from Mamakos, but I cant get it to work
>properly. Can anyone who uses it please help me, cause I dont know what
>to do now.

I use it, and it works for me.

>If I ping from home to the next at university, the modem dials,
>logs into the slip account, and the ping packets are transferred
>to the remote host, but none are sent back. The same thiing happens
>when I have started a background ping process at the remote host,
>the packets are sent to me, but none are sent back to the remote.
>
>the config.slip looks like this (at home):
>SLIP0LOCAL= 129.187.148.131
>SLIP0REMOTE= 129.187.148.130

Since this file is interpreted as a shell script, the space after the = might
be causing some problems.

>SLIP0NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>SLIP0CONFIG=SLIP
>SLIP0DEFAULT=YES


>the config file of the server has the ip adresses exchanged, and its
>ethernet ip adress is 129.187.148.46, and the default is of course NO.
>
>the netstat -r output looks ok to me.

You might forward that output, as well as relevent part of the log
file so that we might have more information to diagnose your problem.
On the surface, given the information you've provided, the configuration
looks close, except for the space after the '=' character.

There's the usual list of things to check:

If you are using hardware flow control, do you have a correct cable.

Do you have XON/XOFF flow control disabled in your modem and the modem
on the other end.

You might check the output of "netstat -s" and look for increasing
numbers of checksum errors.

Are you sure that the other end is configured and running properly;
that is, has it worked before for other people.

louie

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From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Subject: Pencom CoXist crashes and locks up my hardware
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:28:45 GMT


I seem to be having a problem with PenCom's CoXist.  After running
CoXist with a large X application for say 15 minutes or so I often
get system hangs.  I mean EVERYTHING on the Cube stops.  When I
pop into the monitor or power off/reset windows with
COMMAND-power key or COMMAND-tilda or COMMAND-COMMAND-tilda
I can interact with these aids, but none of the functions work!
Halt doesn't work.  Reboot doesn't work.

In other words I can't reboot or shut down my machine from the monitor,
or any other window.  My hardware is locked up tight.  The only thing
that fixes this is turning off the power from the wall and turning it
back on which forces a reboot (obviously).  I dislike this option
because I suspect its hard on the hardware.

So does anyone have any suggestions on what the problem could be and
why CoXist hoses over the hardware so badly?

- Hacker
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