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From: rickt@bnr.co.uk (Rick Tait)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: .mailrc question
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:19:04 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs158.bnr.co.uk

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In article <1993Jan11.144622.833@ualr.edu> lindstrom@acs.harding.edu writes:
>Hello-
>
>  My boss uses his IBM PC to telnet into *MY* SPARC IPC. He
>qould like to set up a .mailrc file to store his mail aliases,
>but is having trouble doing so.  What is the procedure to set
>up mail aliases for this use? Would it be easier to store
>them in a .cshrc alias ??
>
>BTW- I tried placing a line like:
>alias @smith jsmith@machine.domain.edu

You don't source your .mailrc, the mail program you use (mailtool et al)
read this file at run time.

You should find that entries such as:
	alias john john.doe@foo.bar.com
should do the trick.



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From: peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Need drive parameters
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:44:16 GMT

Does anyone know the drive specs for a Fujitsu M2263S-512? I need
to know the number of heads, cyls, tracks and all that stuff so I
can format it. It doesn't appear to be in format.dat....
-- 
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Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley)
Subject: Re: Sendmail Problem (I Think)
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:58:22 GMT

Thanks to all who offered suggestions, but I found out that the problem
was actually with the way ELM had been compiled.  It seems that the C
function getdomainname() (or something like that) returns the NIS domain,
not the internet domain.  Of course the NIS domain includes the host name,
so ELM was concatenating the hostname and the "domain" name, resulting in
the double host name at the beginning.  I solved this simply by
re-configuring ELM (via the Configure script).  One of the questions it
asks is exactly about this problem.  I told it not to rely on what
getdomainname() returns.  Then I did a make and everything now works just
right.  Whew!

Thanks again!
MARK

BTW: What "clued" me in was trying to do a reply with another mail package
     (PINE).  It worked OK, so I figured it *had* to be ELM itself that was
     mangling the reply-to field.

====================================================================
 Mark Morley, UNIX/SUN Administrator     NET: morley@camosun.bc.ca
 Camosun College - Interurban Campus     TEL: (604) 370-4601
 4461 Interurban Road  Room 143-Tech     FAX: (604) 370-3660
 Victoria,   B.C.  Canada    V8X 3X1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: Determining disk speed - how?
Reply-To: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:26:09 GMT

I used to get messages like:
	Target 3 now Synchronous at X.Y mb/s max transmit rate
(where X was usually around 4.0) when booting SunOS4.1.3.  Now I no longer get
any messages.  What does this mean?  I'm on an SS2 with an internal 424Mb Seagate
and an external 1.6Gig Fujitsu...

On a related note: is there a command/tool I could use to get some throughput
figures on the disks?

Thnx in advance,
Tom

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: How to test Sun tty's broken RTS line
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:11:46 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>From I what I read before in in this newsgroups, Sun's tty
>driver doesn't support bidirectional hard ware flow control.
>A lot of people on this net say that it doesn't drop RTS when
>the buffer is full, which causes some dropped chars.
>
>I need to see myself that the RTS is not supportted by SUN.
>Would someone tell me how to code the testing program, or
>prefrably send me the code itself?

Err, no, I don't think you need to see it for yourself.  I've seen the
code for the CPU serial port driver, at least in 4.x, and no, it doesn't
drop RTS when the buffer is full - there's no code in the driver to do
that.  (And the hardware won't do it automatically; the hardware will
blindly raise and lower CTS when the CPU tells it to do so.)

I've also seen the documentation (heck, I think I *wrote* that part of
it), and it quite explicitly says that it does not drop RTS if the
buffer is close to being full.

The same is true of the ALM-1 and ALM-2.

Other ports (e.g., Sun's SBus serial port board) may do bi-directional
RTS/CTS flow control; if you're curious about those ports, and don't
have any documentation, or if you choose for some reason not to believe
what many, many people have said about the CPU serial ports, you'd need
more than a testing program - you'd need either another machine on the
other end of the wire to keep pumping data into the Sun *and* to watch
what happens with RTS, or you'd need a "loopback" cable connecting one
serial port to another one.
From: chris@castlab.uucp (Christian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Resetting a modem
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:57:23 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hija....

I've got a dial in/out modem on ttya on a Sun 4/370, SunOS 4.1.1,
which is terribly messed up. How do I reset it? 

A Kill -HUP 1 (kill -1 1) won't do it. No matter what, if I try
to use tip (to fix some s resgisters I think are goofed), I get
"port busy", even though the line is empty.

Turning the modem on and off doesn't help either.

Thanx,

-Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: richard@borneo.gmd.de (Richard Czech)
Subject: lprm on remote printer
Reply-To: richard@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, German National Research Center for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:31:58 GMT


Hi!

There's a problem with lprm(1) on remote printers. If a user prints
a file using lpr(1) on a remote printer the file is transferred to
the remote machine. There it is queued in the printer queue.

Unfortunately the user now can't cancel the print job. If he invokes
lprm on his machine it doesn't have any effect. He can't cancel the
job on the remote machine using lprm because the job now is owned by
the printer daemon. The manual page of lprm(1) says in the bugs sec-
tion:

   BUGS
        Only the super-user can remove  print  jobs  submitted  from
        another host.

Does anybody know of a workarround or fix? Does anybody have sources
of a SunOS-like lprm(1). I took a look at the lpr-package in the bsd
sources but they seem to be quite different.



Our setup: 
   Server 1 : Sun-4m/690, SunOS 4.1.2
   Server 2 : Sun-4c/75 (SPARCstation 2), SunOS 4.1.1
   several different SPARCstations as clients, all running SunOS 4.1.1

   Both servers have printers attached which are used from all clients
   as remote printers using "rm=servername" in the printcap.



   MfG
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         GMD-I5-WTI
        P.O.Box 13 16                        phone: (+49) 2241 14 2039
D-5205 St. Augustin 1, Germany               fax:   (+49) 2241 14 2342
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From: nyseclug@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.vms,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.aix
Subject: UNIX Security: Facts and Fallacies
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:37:18 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY


                     The Security User Group


               UNIX Security, Facts and Fallacies
                   Thursday, January 21, 1993
                     6:00 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.


This is an introduction to the facilities available within UNIX systems 
that can affect the security of applications.  It can serve as an 
introduction for staff that will soon (or are now) responsible for 
security in an environment that includes UNIX systems.

The topics covered include:

                        o The UNIX File System
                        o Command Shells
                        o Account Authorization
                        o Restricted Environments
                        o Systems Integrity
                        o Denial of Service
                        o Network Security
                        o Firewall Systems

Speaker:              Geoff R. Cooke         
                      Manager, Security Services
                      DEMAX Software

Location:             Coopers & Lybrand
                      1301 Avenue of the Americas (52nd Street)
                      Training Room 6 (2nd floor)
                      New York, New York

Host:                 Carol A. Siegel

If you plan to attend, please RSVP by Tuesday, January 19 to:

                                 Carol A. Siegel
                                Coopers & Lybrand
                                 +1 212 536 3275
                                nyseclug@rlgsc.com

RSVP is mandatory. Building security will not permit any person not on the 
attendee list to enter the building (This is the Security User Group after 
all!)
From: eanders+@CMU.EDU (Eric A. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Partition Getting Messed up
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:05:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fIPPoq00Zk2M1EtxV
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

"Eric A. Anderson" <eanders+@CMU.EDU> writes:
[blah blah blah messed up partition]
The lesson for me today is that 24+231 != 235, and that overlapping
your swap partition and your user partition is bad.
I will flog myself with a wet noodle.  Flog...Flog...Flog...
Thanks to Mark Fullmer (maf@tabatha.mae.cwru.edu) for sending a
program to check overlapping partitions, since the program doesn't
have addition problems.
I feel really stupid now, I think I'll just go and hide somewhere and
feel dumb.
Thanks for the answer though.
          -Eric 
*********************************************************
"Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."
           -The Nine Billion Names of God
"Yes, you're very smart.  Shut up."
           -In "The Princess Bride"
*********************************************************
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Compuserve's Internet Address
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:46:17 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator) writes:

]ddo@wsun2.larc.nasa.gov (Dale Ohmann) writes:
]>The problem comes with internet names that our name resolver can't 
]>resolve.  One example is "compuserve.com".  A user's address would 

> set type=mx
> compuserve.com
Server:  hub.ubc.ca
Address:  137.82.1.1

Non-authoritative answer:
compuserve.com	preference = 10, mail exchanger = iha.compuserve.com
compuserve.com	preference = 10, mail exchanger = ihb.compuserve.com
compuserve.com	preference = 10, mail exchanger = ihc.compuserve.com
Authoritative answers can be found from:
iha.compuserve.com	inet address = 149.174.128.1
ihb.compuserve.com	inet address = 149.174.128.2
ihc.compuserve.com	inet address = 149.174.128.3
NS.UU.NET	inet address = 137.39.1.3


Do you have DNS lookup at all? Are you running sendmail.mx?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: derekt@pwcs.stpaul.gov (Derek Terveer)
Subject: Re: crt0 error message
Organization: City of St. Paul Public Works
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:09:32 GMT

Robert E. Baskette (rbasket@cabell.vcu.edu) wrote:
: 
: Please help,
:     I have an IPC NIS client that produces a crt0: no /dev/zero
: message on boot-up and whenever anyone other than root tries to
: login.  I have checked all of the usual trouble spots including file
: permissions and export/fstab entries.  If anyone can give me a clue I
: would really be grateful.
: rbasket@cabell.vcu.edu

Change the permissions on /dev so that it looks like this:

drwxr-sr-x   2 bin      staff      11264 Dec 22 10:08 /dev

The problem appears to be with suid programs trying to read /dev/zero
(through crt0) and not succeeding (for some strange reason -- no source
code, sorry (:-)) because they don't have the permissions to do so.

derek
-- 
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		Play:	det@hawkmoon.mn.org	+1 612 683 0413
"Big business and big government distract us with entertainment;
 they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: fbustil@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Francisco Bustillo)
Subject: WANTED: INFO ON UNIX/SUN MAIL SERVICE/PROCESS
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center - White Oak
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:39:58 GMT

Keywords: WANTED: INFO ON UNIX/SUN MAIL PROCESS/SERVICE

For almost a year now, I've been working with a Sun SPARCStation 2 running 
OS 4.1.1 and Open Windows ver 3.0 , but I don't fully understand the processes
of e-mail transfer, mail servers, NIS, Yellow Pages and all related topics.
This can be very frustrating in some situations. For instance, sometimes I get
mail from somebody on a different server and when I do a direct reply, I get
a message from the postmaster saying: "user unknown". Common sense tells me that
if I'm able to receive the message I should be able to do a reply. 

	What I really want is the name of a good book explaining these and all
other related subjects (the Sun manual is not a big help). Please, if you know
a book that would help me, please send the title to the following address:

		fbustil@vulcan.nswc.navy.mil

Thank You. Good luck and happy New Year!!!!!!
From: karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov (Karl A. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Why can't I add_services from a remote CD?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:09 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics

I swear this used to work.  I exported /dev/sr0 on the CD-host "thuja":

root@thuja% exportfs
...
/cdrom                   -ro
/dev/sr0                 -ro

I then ran /usr/etc/install/add_services on the client "aspen":
root@aspen% ./add_services
[screen clears, following appears]
 SOFTWARE FORM            [?=help] [DEL=erase one char] [RET=end of input data]
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Software Architecture Operations :
       [add new release] x[edit existing release]

 Architecture types :
      x[sun4m.sunos.4.1.3]

 Media Information :
      Media Device   :  [st0]  [st1]  [st2]  [st_]  [xt0]  [mt0]  [fd0] x[sr0]
      Media Location :  [local] x[remote]
      Mediahost                    : thuja
      Mediahost's Internet Address : 128.183.4.20

...[half a screen of blanks deleted]...

get_software_info: cannot mount /dev/sr0 on /usr/etc/install/tar
Press <return> to continue ...
add_services: Cannot read arch_list file.


root@aspen has remote execution privileges on thuja:

root@aspen% rsh thuja whoami
root

and I am able to mount thuja:/cdrom (where thuja has /dev/sr0 mounted) on aspen:

root@thuja% mount
...
/dev/sr0 on /cdrom type hsfs (ro)

root@aspen% mount -r thuja:/cdrom /mnt
root@aspen% cd /mnt
root@aspen% ls
./		_copyright*	export/		sunupgrade/
../		avail_arches*	patches/

Anybody have a clue what I'm doing wrong?  TIA.

-- 
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NASA/GSFC code 920.2 (HSTX)	| voice: (301) 286-3815
Greenbelt, MD 20771		| #include "std_disclaimer"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Re: Online Support System modem (1-800-477-4768)
Organization: Gainfully unemployed
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:05:43 GMT

In article <RUSTY.93Jan6115544@groan.Berkeley.EDU> rusty@groan.Berkeley.EDU (Rusty Wright) writes:
>We've tried 2 different modems of ours at 2400 baud and they both
>can't establish a connection with the OBD modem.  An old Hayes modem
>can connect at 1200 baud; one of the modems we have supports 9600 baud
>and it was able to connect at that speed.
>
>I've also had problems where I call and just get a ring and no answer.
>
>I do wish this OBD service was just a wee bit more reliable.
>
>Has anybody else had any problems dialing in to the OBD?

The OSS (not OBD) modem pool is a bunch of Telebit T2500's.  That should tell
you something right there (-:  (Sun should mass-upgrade 'em to WorldBlazers.)

I've never had any trouble connecting to it, but I connect in PEP mode.

On the other hand, don't get me started on actually *using* it ... (-:

Just for starters, they compiled "less" with gcc back when doing so made it
such that paging through a file goes blip...blip...blip line-by-line like as
if you were running at 1200/2400 baud instead of 19200 - I'm sure some of
you out there remember this one?  They need to recompile "less" and TEST IT
before putting it out there.  And, while they're at it, they need a way for
a user to setenv the LESS variable if they so choose - I like to have it
do various things like scroll from top-of-screen and set my own prompt and
it's a pain to do it manually.

Of course, then there's the fact that the "Customer Bugs Database" is a
complete farce; gee, look, I got 5 lines of output with the bug number and
the Subject and almost nothing else - not even the Public Summary (!!!) much
less the Description fields.  (One thing I miss about leaving Sun CSD is
losing access to the Internal Bugs Database.)  I understand why they need to
restrict access to certain fields, but when you don't even get the Public
Summary, what's the point?

I tried to institute changes while at Sun to make internal CSD access and
customer access easier, but everything I did either fell on deaf ears or
elicited the response "Don't you know that nobody wants to hear you say
`The Emperor has no clothes!' when all they can stand to hear at most is
`Hey! Who's your tailor?' ???"

--
	- Greg Earle				| Disclaimer: These are MY
	  Itinerant Sun Consultant		| opinions ONLY, not JPL's!
	  isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV	| They only let me post through
	  (818) 353-8695			| their machines ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: dave@auspost.com.au (Dave Cole)
Subject: Change domain name & NIS
Organization: Australia Post
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:29:38 GMT

I just changed my domain name and tried to fix up NIS again.
Everything seems to be working - but when I cd /var/yp and make I get
a series of errors like -


updated passwd
Can't get an address for server .

Can't get an address for server .

pushed passwd

What does the error message mean?

Thanks in advance - Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: b77086@cc.ee.ntu.edu.tw ()
Subject: Mail error
Organization: NTUTaiwan
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:48:40 GMT


I am a system manager, and a problem about E-mail happened. Our system's OS version is 4.0.3c and the clients' 
is 4.1.2. So if we send E-mail in client directly, it have the following error messages:
cad6:[sendmail]unparable xxx@cad6....

I cannot kill it. I try all means I can use. But it does
not work. Just only reboot can solve it.
Anyone can help me.

E-mail address : changys@cad.ee.ntu.edu.tw


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: benny@csoc.COM (Benny Clark)
Subject: Limit to number of netgroups?
Organization: CAD Systems of Carolina
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:29:44 GMT

Under SunOS 4.1.x, is there any limit to the number of machines
I can have in one netgroup?  Also, is there a limit to the 
number of netgroups I can have?

Please email me if you have any info.

Thanks,

-- 
   _/             Benny Clark                  Phone : 919-859-4004
      ___/  ___/ Strategic Technologies        Fax   : 919-859-0657
  /  /     _/   5625 Dillard Dr. Suite 105     Email : ice@csoc.COM
_/ ____/ ____/ Raleigh, NC  27511                    : ...!uunet!csoc!ice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: (I am so dumb!) 2 heads under X on a Sun.
Organization: Motorola DSP Compilers
Distribution: comp
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:21:34


Sorry, I asked this question before, and I accidentally deleted the reply. 
I would be so thankful if someone would fill me in again!

I'm trying to get 2 color monitors to work with a single SparcStation 1
and two GX boards. Which "contrib" package will allow that to happen ?

	thanks again,

	Jeff Enderwick
	jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com
From: jpd@discovery.msu.edu (Joe P. DeCello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: HELP!!: Openwindows 3.0 Mailtool gives dlop
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:52:10 GMT
Reply-To: jpd@discovery.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.cl.msu.edu


I found the problem thanx to an e-mail response from another news-reader.
It seam that the extra "/" in LD_LIBRARY_PATH  defined in Xsession was the problem, THANX.
see below.

In article 1id139INNieq@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu, jpd@discovery.msu.edu (Joe P. DeCello) writes:
]SETUP:	NCD connecting to SPARC using X11R4 xdm and olwm from OpenWindows
]
]I just upgraded a sparc running 4.1.1 to Openwindows 3.0, everyone on the console is fine,
]but now (meaning after upgrading only) mailtool, audiotool, and filemgr give this error in xdm-errors:
]
]	dlopen: stub interception failed
]
]And binder and iconeditor give
]	ttsession:  can't init server
]	Warning:  Tooltakd initialized in Binder
]	dlopen:  stub interception failed
]
]ANY CLUES???
]
]
]Here is my Xsession file (remember I am using X11R4 xdm to start Openwin 3.0):
]
]#!/bin/sh
]#
]# Xsession
]#
]# This is the program that is run as the client
]# for the display manager.  This example is
]# quite friendly as it attempts to run a per-user
]# .xsession file instead of forcing a particular
]# session layout
]#
]OPENWINHOME=/usr/openwin
]PATH=$OPENWINHOME/bin:$PATH
]LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/:$OPENWINHOME/lib
                                                          ^^^

]HELPPATH=$OPENHOME/lib/help
]MANPATH=/usr/man:/usr/local/man:$OPENWINHOME/share/man
]LOGNAME=$user
]
]export PATH
]export OPENWINHOME
]export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
]export HELPPATH
]export MANPATH
]export LOGNAME
]
]case $# in
]1)
]	case $1 in
]	failsafe)
]		exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0 -ls
]		;;
]	esac
]esac
]
]startup=$HOME/.xsession
]resources=$HOME/.Xresources
]
]if [ -f $startup ]; then
]	exec $startup
]	exec /bin/sh $startup
]else
]	if [ -f $resources ]; then
]		xrdb -load $resources
]	fi
]	exec /usr/etc/setsid -b shelltool &
]	exec /usr/etc/setsid -b cm &
]	sleep 15 & pid=$!
]	olwm -syncpid $pid
]	wait $pid
]fi
]
]
]=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
]Joseph P. DeCello III                      e-mail:  jpd@cad.msu.edu
]Michigan State University                      ph:  (517) 353-3027 
]Specialized Computing Support Services           1:00pm - 5:00pm EST
]



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Michigan State University                      ph:  (517) 353-3027 
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