From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: -None supplied- [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:18:53 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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To: sci-anon-poster
Originator: smortaz@handel


Dear bApagA, dobAreh salAm,

>Note about pronounciation:
>BTW, not that it is important, if you were raised in China, you would have
>spoken Chinease just like a 'bolbol.'  So don't worry about OUR children;
>they will manage in any culture and under any language.  My nephew is only
>raised here and she never complains that English words are not delneshin
>or hard to pronounce.  A stop by the liguistic dept. of a university will
>not hurt either.

I am  not talking about words that kids learn in the early childhood,
or even words that adults use in daily life. What I said was the result of
noticing the difficulty and frustration that a lot of people(at high
school, in villeges, in the streets, etc) had when they tried to understand
a word, text or speach full of "kalamAt-e gholonbeh solonbeh", and it is
logical to say that having the ability to read/pronounce smoothly helps *a
lot* in a situation like this.

The case of your nephew has no relevance at all to the issue that I was
pointing at. So let me share *one of* my experiences with you.

There was a lady who used to have a ~10-minute-long program in one of the
Iranian TV programs every sunday. Many times I listened to her speech, but
I didn't understand anything. Simply because the text that she was reading
from was written in a form that is called "nasr-e fanni", something that
average people don't understand, or maybe they are not supposed to
understand!!!

Once I was watching her program along with some guests from another state.
Near the end of the program, one of our guests, who is in his 20's and
speaks fArsi like "bolbol" and without accent, turned to me and said: What is
she saying? I came here after finishing "dore-ye rAhnamA-yee", but I don't
understand a word of what she says.

I know that he wasn't the only person who had that problem, but he was one
of the few who noticed it.

She was trying to guide people with her religious speech (she is not muslim).
The *format of the text* and the *words* that she used sounded familiar
(AgA bApagA, you know what I am talking about). I am not going to say
anything about the *format of the text*, the *words* and their root,
because I am sure that it will be the start of a new trend of articles on
the subject of religion(s) and right now I do not have the time to get
involved in it. Maybe a month from now. Plus, I don't want netters to
misunderstand my opinion about the way a text is written and think that I am
using it as a way of attacking a religion(any religion).

>Reminds me of an incident when I was stopped by a Re-born Christian on the
>street:
>	...

Your reaction (including your brackets) to subjects that include the word
"Persian" is like an argument between a woman who enjoys cooking and sort
of and a ...(you guess who after reading it)

woman: I love cooking and that is why I spend so much time in the kitchen.

...  : No! No! No! You shouldn't. You shouldn't. You are not his "kolfat".

>>As usual I am late again.

>Thanks for the 'choob-kAri' [joon!  At last I found a Persian word - HFN]

There was no "choob-kAri" intended. You said that you were going to post
it on monday. I posted mine on monday evening and I really thought that *I*
was late.

>If you were more patient.  But, I thank you that took the time and copied
>the meanings from 'loghat-nAmeh.'  Your hands not be tired, AhgA.

I didn't claim that I knew those words and examples by heart and I said
that it was from "farhang-e deh-khodA".



End of part II


 
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