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From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Windsurfing in Buffalo? (NY?)
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:23:43 GMT

Someone I know asked me to ask you if he will be able to windsurf near
Buffalo. I think he was talking about a place near the great lakes, so it
must be the Buffalo in New York. (My map had three places called Buffalo
on it.)

He's an advanced sailor and probably will not bother to sail with anything
larger than a 5.5.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pesto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark Alan Peot)
Subject: Re: Broken Downhauls, Techniques for downhauling
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:20:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.093600@wsl.dec.com> mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram) writes:
>In article <4310438@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>|> Careful with pulleys,they point load the grommet and can cause it to
>|> break or warp.  I use a WS hawaii and more recently a Chinoock.  Both
>|> have 6:1 rollers and if I rig so the lines never cross, I have NO
>|> trouble downhauling my Sailworks Race sails as long as I wear shoes with
>|> decent soles.  The Chinoodk rigs much easier than the WS Hawaii, but it
>|> may be due to the newer and thinner line.  
>|> 
>|> Kirk out
>|> PS  I'm pretty big  (210 lbs)and fairly strong so your mileage could 
>|> vary if you are closer to 100 lbs.
>
>my mileage does vary. i sometimes have to use kirk to downhaul my sails.
>my recommendation is to become kirk's buddy.
>
>narayan
>

Not everyone is lucky enough to have kirk around when it is time to rig.

Fortunately, Ted Huang taught me a nifty trick for downhauling sails.
When you are ready to put the final downhaul on the sail, put on your
*harness* and tie the downhaul line to the harness hook using a bowline.
To tighten, put your foot against the base of the mast and push.  Move the
knot and repeat if desired.  I have minimal trouble putting adequate
downhaul my WindWing sail using this technique.

No back strain.
No rope burn.
No sweat.
...way cool.

Here is another trick to ease your inadequate downhaul blues.  Put lots
of OUTHAUL on the sail before downhauling.  This bends the mast so that
downhauling is much much easier.  (Of course, you will probably ;^) want 
to readjust the outhaul after you are finished with the downhaul...)

RE:  Broken mast bases.
I have been very happy with my Nautix Jumbo mastbase.  It is 
constructed very robustly and the mast extension rings do not slide
off like the rings on other mastbases (Mistral, for example).
Check it out.

     -- Mark


From: murphy@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 19:33:58 GMT
Subject: baby needs new shoes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> 7.0 fully cambered West wind
> $185
> 
> 4.6 wave sail Neil Pryde
> $185
> 
> Windsurf Hawaii clamp-on fully adjustable boom
> $80
> 
> Chinook adjustable mast base
> $30     New, used once
> 
> Obrien PFD
> $35
> 
> Sailbags
> Rainbow deluxe $30
> Standard       $25
> This is cheap.  I studied the market  on this one when I made them.


James M Murphy
(303) 229-3918
(303) 484-8357
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rrosen@novell.com (Ross Rosen)
Subject: Re: For Sale - Bay Area
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:19:55 GMT

The Fanatic 320 package has been sold.
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:20:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: mail.Brt1qE.26L
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Did they just put an address label on the fins and drop them in a mailbox?
You might want to consider the cost of packaging materials, space to
maintain an inventory of those materials, the weight of those materials,
etc.

The short answer is, compare the "landed cost" if you're shopping based 
on price.  If the S&H add-on bugs you, find a vendor that quotes delivered
prices, but don't think the postage is all that's involved in getting your
parts to you.
_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:00:49 GMT

In article <r0dm9sp.westes@netcom.com>, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
> >Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
> >morning after a long days blasting?
> 
  I've never experienced this myself, but I always drink lots of water when
  I'm sailing.
  The general lethargy could maybe be just overall over-exertion and your bod
  just needs some rest.

> This is something I was going to look into soon as well.  I
> don't have the headaches or dizziness, but I definitely have
> lethargy the day after sailing, and my muscles don't seem to
> have any glycogen stored in them because even a simple weight
> workout is almost impossible for me.  The muscle tiredness 
> that I experience after windsurfing is much, much
> different than what I experience after a heavy weight workout.
> The weight workout creates a very localized soreness in just
> those muscles that were exercised, and I only feel pain in the
> muscle when I use it.  To contrast, windsurfing creates a
> generalized weakness in nearly every muscle in my body and a
> sensation that I lack the energy to do any exercise the following 
> day.
> 
> One theory I'm toying with is that lactic acid builds up in the
> muscles while windsurfing, and it might be that some of us are
> not very efficient at removing all traces of the lactic acid
> buildup.  Maybe someone who runs marathons would have some idea
> as to whether the feeling that I describe has anything to do
> with lactic acid?  Is there anything that you can take to
> accelerate the removal of lactic acid?
> 
  Stretching and massage are the only ways that I've heard of to accelerate
  the removal of lactic acid from the muscle tissues.  
  I haven't heard of general lethargy being associated with lactic acid build
  up, usually just burning sensations when you're over-exerting and specific
  muscle soreness afterwards.
  
  My .02 would be to drink plenty of water and eat plenty of carbo's (so your
  bod has something to use for fuel besides your muscles).
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From: schofiel@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Jeremy Schofield)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Boom Recommendations?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:19:22 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

I've got the Gorge Chinook boom 4'3" to 5'9".  It's great !!

PROS:
- best rear end.
  (simple extensions, external pins, wide end, nice outhaul tie-off)

- good grip (tough outter strip and soft inside, but not too soft)

- adjustable beefy front-end (strong clamp-on.  No arm wobble like you
  get with a torsion bar front-end)


CONS:
- Front end may stress mast, as front end does not have torsion bars like
  Nautix or ART/Fanatic.  (The price you pay for cutting arm wobble)

- rear-end only has +/-10 degree swing as front end does not articulate.  I
  think this is an issue for short sailors.

I also really like the Chinook base and 2 BLT CAM foot.
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: shopping in Or
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:11:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1992Jul17.163438.23650@unixg.ubc.ca> craig@excalibur.civil.ubc.ca writes:
>Any suggestions for decent places to pick up
>cheap gear in the Columbia-Hood River area?


I'd say Second Wind in Hood River, but then what do I know.



Jim Munro
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Flat Landings
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:37:32 GMT

In article <6314@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>
>This weekend I was sailing at the Hatchery and decided to take one of the best
>ramps of the day even though it was really to far upwind.  I had good speed
>so the board got lots of height, but the angle was not right, and it stalled. 
>Rather than landing it real flat, I leaned back and pushed real hard with my
>feet so that I would land on my back beside the board.
>
>I was a little late in pushing with my back foot and the board hit the water
>before it was completely out from under me.  There was a big splash and lots
>of force in my legs.  In fact I hit so hard that the fin box broke loose along
>one side.  
>
>I was feeling real bad about breaking the fin box, so I decided to fix the
>board and stop kicking myself.  When I entered Windance to purchase a new
>fin box, one of the owners Lorraine Carlstrom was standing by the door with
>her right foot elevated.  It was bandaged from her toes to above her knee.
>She had landed a jump flat and broken a bone in her foot.  Her comment was:
>"It is just a small bone that broke."
>
>It is probably easier to fix my board than wait for a bone to heal but in 
>both cases it will cost some sailing time.  
>
>I would like to see a discussion on how other people salvage a bad jump
>without breaking any gear or your body.
>
>Another way to say this is "How do you just say no to flat landings?"
>
 I had an accident a couple of years back, I was out sailing in chop and hit
a small face, too small to bother un-hooking :) . Just as I left the water a
gust hit and I was a lot higher, hooked in and unbalanced. I concentrated on
keeping the board level, landed flat and straight legged, knew I'd done
something to my leg so turned & sailed back to shore, dragged my gear up to
the car and went home.. could barely walk by then. Ended up on crutches for two
months with a hyperextended knee (ie it bent backwards when I landed).
RULE 1: The board comes second, always bend your knees on landing!

 Bruce

>Path: wiltonh@windsurf.cci.tek.com  THE GORGE: Living on the edge of a HURRICANE

Bruce Spedding
IDW DSIR       Ph +64 +4 569-0788
Box 31310      Fx +64 +4 569-0132
Lower Hutt     SRGXNBS@GFV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ
New Zealand    ========================
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: vmd.16832B06B.EPLUS17
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <price.712329310@helios>
price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
 
>westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>
>>I may have mis-read the original note.  I thought he was referring to
>>those little toy pull-carts with the tiny wheels that you sometimes see
>>advertised in windsurfing magazines.  If you have a utility cart with
>>full-size tires that is a different story.  If have 12"-13" diameter
>>tires, then I'm simply amazed.
>
>You may perhaps be amazed - I have 8" wheels and the tires are 4.80x8. quite
>small. The trailer is based on a K-Mart special bought for about $160, and has the
>board and mast rack welded on. Rated load 1,000; but there's no way I'd put
>that much on it.
 
Is it possible that the two of you are measuring wheel size in different
ways?  In "4.80x8," the "8" refers to the rim diameter, giving an overall
tire diameter somewhere in the 16" range.  While I don't have a trailer
myself, I know several local small sailboat owners who carry 200-250 lbs
of boat, rigging etc on trailers with 4.8X8 tires and never seem to have
problems, even on 1000 miles trips at interstate speeds.  (If you are not
careful though, a homemade trailer gets quite heavy very quickly, and the
extra weight may make a difference.)
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: No Olympic Windsurfing Coverage?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:04:30 GMT

In article <18413@durer.cme.nist.gov> jthan@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Jonathan M. Richardson) writes:
>I believe that there will be _no_ olympic windsurfing coverage at all on
>any of the channels, including the olympic triplecast (which costs ~$145
>including tax, I passed on it...).
>
OH GOD! TELL ME IT ISNT SO!! I've been glued to the channels (all of them)
looking for any bit of info on this. I've checked the papers, tv guides, cable
and have not seen anything. I was hopeful I would see something!

Well, at least there was some reconciliation. Just this weekend there was some
coverage on the olympic trials held in florida. Cable had it.

I hope they at least advertise the results on the news or something. 

Where's the wind? Anybody in NJ or surrounding area sail a 5.0 lately?


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Seatrend For Sale
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:30:37 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Seatrend 9'1" Slalom for sale

Epoxy/carbon construction with footstraps and fin.

This is one of the early Seatrend boards which makes a good first shortboard.

There are no pressure dings, no cracks, and no damage except for minor
scratches. The straps have seen better days, but the board is basically solid.

Designed by Randy FRench, this board was regarded as top of the line when it
was new.

Get into shortboarding real cheap.

Yours for $250 ono.

Jim Munro

408-473-2497



Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:39:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rriv@oural.inria.fr (Robert Riviere) writes:
: I've read in a magazin to stretch yourself after a session. I try to
: do it, and it's *true* it makes quite a lot of goodness.
: 
: Any advice or medical explanation ????

Sounds like it could help get those nasty byproducts out of the
muscles and into circulation where they can be filtered out.

I've also been wondering how much the adrenalin factor enters into
the symptoms you all are talking about; not all that much aerobic workout,
but lots of little bursts of effort as we dodge wipeouts, struggle to
hang onto a jibe, resist getting hammered by gusts, etc.
_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
From: jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mast Foot Problems
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:31:55 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine, CA.

In article <1992Jul27.205459.15142@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen) writes:
> 
>  
> When I was surfing this weekend at Coyote,  I had some trouble with 
> the mast foot on my Bic Astro Rock.  The little tab that keeps the peg
> of the mast base in the mast foot keeps coming up, so that my whole
> mast separated from the board several times.  Is anybody else having
> this problem, either with the Bic mast foot, or with other brands.  Is
> there an easy solution, or should I buy a new mast foot?
> I was considering putting a piece of masking tape over it to prevent
> it from coming up, but I don't think it would last more than about 10
> minutes in the water.
>  Thanks
>  
> Erno 

This can be a real problem, as attempting to reattach a mast foot to the 
board in rough water can be difficult!  I had the same problem with a 
Windsurfing Hawaii Quick Cam (i think that what it's called) base foot.  
The lever that holds the clip in (which holds the universal pin) got lose, 
and allowed the clip to pop open, and the the universal would come out, 
usually while gibing the sail!  I stopped using this base, and went to a 
Gorge Technology star base.  I have since seen the same WH base being used 
with a very small bungee cord wrapped around the clip to hold it in place.  
You might try using a rubber band (like the ones that WH bases come with) to
wrap around the base and loop it around the pin that holds your base together.
I assume you are using the BIC star base that adapts the BIC mast track pin 
to a fin box type mast track.  The black rubber bands that WH uses are very
durable and should work fine for you!

~jmp
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Speed vs Slalom foils?
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:53:37 GMT

In article <25904@sophia.inria.fr> colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:
>I may be wrong, but I thought that speed sails didn't exist anymore (there is
>none in the north line for example).

They had the "Mega" last year and I'm under the impression that it still
might exist, but that it is still available by special order only.

You are right when you say that race/slalom sails have replaced speed sails.
It's still possible that speed sails will some day come back, when we learn
more about making faster sails.

>besides I cannot see how a sail could be faster than modern (you tried a 90
>gaastra, this is not a modern design) slalom sails.

1990 Gaastras were already fairly modern. At least the racefoils had a loose
leach and relatively flat top.

>go test ride a neil pryde V8 steet racer... I doubt that any production sail
>will propell you faster than this "slalom" sail...

That's funny...I also recommended a V8 to Harald even before I saw his posting
or yours. Pryde says that the WC Slalom is faster, but it would seem to me
that the average slalom pilot will make the V8 go faster than a WCS.

BTW: 1993 Neil Prydes seem to be available now in small quantities. The
World Cup Slalom has only minor changes as far as I could see. Can anyone
guess what the next radical new trend in sail design will be?

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjolicoe@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Phasers, ...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.164112.6748@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
>
>There's that word again.  What exactly is a phaser (I'm sure Kirk knows
>:-) )?

phasers are to the bottom of a board as dimples are to a golf ball.

on windsurfing boards the diameter similar to that of a tennis ball.

Dimples make golf balls go further, and probably makes boards go faster...
PJ
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: yap@minnie.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (9029357- Peter Burn- Yet another Plague)
Subject: binaries
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:29:28 GMT

Are there any widsurfing pictures suitable for
showing on Xterminals around?

Peter.
From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:11:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University

From article <Brt1qE.26L@mail.boi.hp.com>, by alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten):
> Did they just put an address label on the fins and drop them in a mailbox?
> You might want to consider the cost of packaging materials, space to
> maintain an inventory of those materials,

Cost of doing business, should be reflected in the advertised price.

> the weight of those materials, etc.

One fin weights 13 ounces.

> 
> The short answer is, compare the "landed cost" if you're shopping based 
> on price.  If the S&H add-on bugs you, find a vendor that quotes delivered
> prices, but don't think the postage is all that's involved in getting your
> parts to you.

Cardboard boxes and peanuts are cheap! Does the store you by your 
clothes charge you every time it puts merchandise in a bag, NO, that
is the cost of doing business and is reflected in the price of the item.
Thus the grocery store charge your for every bag you get, NO, that's the
cost of going business. 

Brad
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:15:52 GMT

In article <3757@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>The probl;em is I hate the BIC graphics. The all white look of the race boards
>is much classier and naturally I just have to look cool on the beach to
>compensate for looking very uncool on the water!

I just saw a Sputnik 270 that used to have the Gorbatshev graphics. The owner
had sanded off the graphics and then redone the deck with laquer and salt
and microballoons. It looked really great.

>My question is:
>
>How much more difficult will it be to master a full-on slalom or race board.

Not much. Since you already can sail a shortboard, there should be no reason
not to choose a race slalom. The Adagio is a dedicated slalom board. (As
far as I know...)

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software