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From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trailors for Kids
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:23:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Jul27.132313.29785
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <9207240234.AA29954@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com writes:
|> Nanette Salvaggio writes:
|> 
|> > I have a 9 month old and would like to purchase a trailor to put him in...
|> > We were told it isn't a good idea until the child is one year old.
|> > I know my son would love it now.
|> 
|> I'm not sure what your transportation situation is but many of the trailers
|> used to haul infants in my area are primarily a demonstrative way of saying
|> "Baby on Board" as automotive people sometimes do with a yellow sign in the
|> window.  I think YOU will "love it now" more than your son but whether he
|> appreciates it or not is less the issue.
|> 
|> Those who do not use a car generally don't ask whether or not to get a
|> trailer since they usually have one already.  My comments are aimed at
|> whether you need a trailer to present your son to the public or are
|> augmenting your non-motorized vehicles.  There is a difference that is
|> often obvious to others that the parents are conspicuously parading around
|> town with their child.  Formerly this was done with an inordinately
|> lavish carriage with huge overlapping wheels, adjustable parasol of lace,
|> gauze netting and a commensurate wardrobe for the parents.  You might
|> consider this aspect lest you unwittingly play such a role.  I realize
|> that bicycling is currently in the "look at me" phase with its garish
|> apparel and neon colored equipment.  Only a thought...
|> 
|> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com


Just for clarifiaction here,  I don't need to advertise that I have a
child.  What I do need is a way to include my son in my activities.
You are right I would love it, because it would allow my husband and
myself to return to an activity that we enjoyed before we decided to
expand our family.  The reason for my original post, was to get
some feed back on wether he was to young for such an activity.  If 
you have such a problem with parents including their children in
there activities I suggust you restrict your riding to mountain
terrain, where caring parents who want to teach their children that
there are other activities beside tv to do, are not likely to be.

nanette
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bears (was Re.Dogs)
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:21:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <13t0q7INN973@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, voneltz@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Bob Eltze)
writes:

> I would also suggest dropping anything that the bear could smell.  This
> means not only food but sunscreen, chapstick and anything else scented.

Like shorts?

--
David Casseres
OK, OK, I'll behave myself...
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Grig Lemmon? (was Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & Td
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:54:15 GMT

Scott Truesdell writes:

> Ok, Jobst. This is a good start. Now, please, how do we pronounce
> your first name.

It is not as hard as the Austrian or Slavic words with missing vowels
like the trucking company called WRZBRZ but the "bst" is preceded by 'yo'.

> Oh yes, and, for curiosity's sake, from what national origin does your
> name derive?

It is common in northern Germany, Holland and north of there.  My father
was German and came to the US in the early 30's so I am a New Yorker if
that's material to the question.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: stats on TdF in years past
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:29:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I think that we are likely to see a rather concentrated form
of LeMond waxing the World's. :-)
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 24 Jul 1992 15:45:06 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <xzhm#bl.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <23EA02s91bP001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:
>>Degrease in citrus-based cleaner (like Citra-Solv).  The stuff works
>>great and is not harmful to you or the environment.

>If you read the Citra-Solv container you will see that it is
>a petroleum byproduct and that it has some pretty strong health
>warnings.

I have a container in front of me.  Nowhere does it say anything
about being a petroleum byproduct.

"Contains: D-limonene and other citrus extracts."

I have no doubt that the stuff is natural and biodegradable.  I
also recognize that it *does* have some pretty strong health warnings.
In fact, the active ingredient evolved over millions of years to
kill insects by sucking the oil out of them.  It also sucks oil
out of you and me.  It is far from being innocuous.

>Simple Green seems to be a better idea.

Maybe, maybe not.  I have an easier time cleaning chains with
Citra-Solv than with any detergent.  It is undoubtedly more
dangerous to work with, though, and unlike petroleum-based
solvents must be rinsed with water.  Detergents, citrus-based
solvents, and petroleum-based solvents are the three main
candidates for cleaning greasy bicycle parts.  Each has advantages
and disadvantages.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
From: cs_jh@cox.nsac.ns.ca (JEFF HOYLE)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: suspension/flex stem etc Are they worthwhile??
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:56:47 GMT
Organization: Nova Scotia AC

I am interested in upgrading my bike to allow me to ride for longer periods 
on very rough roads/terrain.  The alternatives are either a flexstem (cheap) 
or suspension forks.  I have seen a discusion concerning flex stems over the 
last while.

My question - do flexstems do anything to smooth out a really rough ride?  
Do they cause problems in other situations and is it worth investing money 
in suspension forks??

My subsidary question is what is the cost of these items in YOUR area?

In advance, thanks for advice, comments and assistance.

Jeff  out  !!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:50:51 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Jul22.130858.4063@nlm.nih.gov>, berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman) writes:
> I've been told by my local bike shop that dawn detergent and regular 10w40
> motor oil are good for cleaning and lubricating the chain.  Agree or
> diagree?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lew Berman

Lately I have just been using Simple Green and WD-40 on my chain. For my road
bike which has a SEDIS chain, I remove the chain, soak it in Simple Green 
and brush it down with an old toothbrush. I rinse off the Simple Green with
water and dry it quickly to prevent rust. Then I lube it with WD-40 after
putting it back on the bike.

My mountain bike has a Hyperglide chain which I don't like to remove because I
don't have many of the special pins for reconnecting it. As a result I spray it
with Simple Green which I have put into an old pump hair-spray bottle and then
brush each link with a tooth brush, being sure to keep the whole process well
soaked with Simple Green. I finish by rinsing off the whole bike with water to
ensure that all of the Simple Green is removed. Again I apply WD-40.

For awhile I was using Super Lube on my mountain bike chain but have since gone
back to WD-40. I found that the Super Lube was extremely difficult to clean off
the chain and it attracted a lot of dust and dirt. I would be interested in 
anyone else's opinions on Super Lube.

David
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From: jdr40@ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mische
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I have a friend with a Miyata touring bike that has Miche hubs on it. I
rebuild the bike for her about once a year. The Hubs are excellent
quality. They use Campy cones and axels so be prepared to pay a few bucks
if you have to replace any parts in them.
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TECH: removing 3 piece crank???
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:55:40 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University


I'm in the process of restoring a 1973 Motobecane Mirage
that has the cranks secured to the bottom bracket with
pegs. I would like to repack the bottom bracket, so I'd like to
be able to remove at lease the none-chaninring side of the 
crank assembly. is it safe/required to hammer(w/a punch)
the holding pin out? Or is there a tool like a crank extractor for
modern cranks that I can get a hold of?                   

Mail or repost,
Thanks in advance,
Todd S.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: mccallum@chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:41:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul22.213758.27307@athena.mit.edu> 
karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath) writes:
>
>Just one question about this USCF membership and free bike transport
>on airlines.  Some, or all airlines seem  to make the restriction
>that you must be traveling to a USCF or similar race for your bike to 
>travel for free.  
>
>(1) Do they enforce this (do they ask?)

In my experience this year, no they don't.  United didn't ask
me about my trip to Michigan, and if they had checked, they 
would  have found no races in the state when I was gonna be
there.  Is this just one agent handling it this way?  I dunno.


>Karen Walrath
>MIT
>karen@mit.edu

--Mike
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Benefits of stretching
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:22:30 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Jul29.204102.2423@meaddata.com>, georged@meaddata.com (George
Dibos) writes:
|>  ....
|> Since then, there is mounting evidence that limit stretching--even if it
|> isn't ballistic--causes micro-tears in muscles and connective tissues
|> and actually CAUSES injuries in an accumulative fashion that isn't 
|> completely understood.  The new thinking is that stretching should only
|> be performed after your body's core temperature is significantly raised
|> following exercise, and your ligaments, etc. are warm.
|> 

I agree completely. My experience with stretching is that it
doesn't help a whole lot, and it may actually cause injuries
rather than prevent them. (Yes, I have read Bob Anderson's book.)

What does help is a good *warm up* before any strenuous physical
activity.

Chandy
From: rodney@intihuasi.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:45:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.



   As for Zulle retiring because he is to young: that is sensible. The lad is only
   24 and not at his physical peak as far as strength goes. The mountains would
   have finished him, both mentally and physically.


Didn't Fignon first win thr Tour when he was 22?

--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: PowerBars in the US
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:02:52 GMT

I just bought some from Health Depot in El Cajon (San Diego) for $1.20
each.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Profile Bars for MTB's
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:05:07 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law):
>The previous discussion on bar ends for MTB's I don't think anyone mentioned
>Profile bars. These are the type that convert straight bars into Scott
>lookalikes.

I got the Profile XCE (or XCR) bolt-on bars. This is the model that was
before the Profile Durango model. They look like this:
                       _
                      / \
          ___________/   \___________
         /                           \ 
        /                             \
       |                               |
       |                               |
       |===============+===============|
         (handlebar)   +   (handlebar)
                       +
                       +
                     (stem)

>Does anyone have experience with them? Are they comfortable, light, cheap
>or whatever? How do they compare to Scott bars?

Yes, they are comfortable. They both give me the grip which I need when
climbing (like the bar ends) and I can also get int an aero-dynamic
position while going down a hill (if possible). I also think they are
light, but the Durango model is even lighter. Cheap? Not in Norway, about
$90!!!

>I do mostly touring on and off road and the occasional race. I currently
>have Onza bar ends which provide one extra position but I wouldn't mind
>having extra positions.

My bolt-on bars offer several positions:

                       _        pos 3.
            pos 4. -->/ \       v
          ___________/   \___________
         /                           \ <-- pos 2.
        /                             \ 
       |                               |
       |                               |<-- pos 1.
       |===============+===============|
         (handlebar)   +   (handlebar)
                       +
                       +
                     (stem)

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Ride safe, fellow cyclists.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:41:16 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Jul17.124130.10198@cci632.cci.com>
	<1992Jul20.192033.8781@Happy-Man.com>
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Jul20.192033.8781@Happy-Man.com> josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

   Unfortunately, the definition of vehicular assault is very different
   from almost any other type of assault.  In essence, the perpetrator
   must actually injure a person while driving recklessly before the
   behavior becomes assault.  With something less lethal than a car, say
   a full-auto AK-47, just pointing it at someone can qualify as assault,
   but cars have special status.

Isn't the behaviour just plain assault (as opposed to the particular
offense of `vehicular assault'), with the vehicle merely a tool in
that assault?

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis)
Subject: Re: United Airlines
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.234316.28240@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>     Well, I am going to Boston in Sept to visit my family. Got a
>killer price on the flight, $202. So I just called UAL to inquire
>about bringing my mtn bike, they want $45 each way. Is this 
>ridiculous or what !


That's the standard rate.

For a better deal, check out "USAmateur".  Membership is something like
$50.  There are several benefits.  The most important is free bike boarding
passes.  You save the membership fee in one trip.  They are only good on
Delta and one other airline.  (I don't remember which, but it isn't
United.)  Food is better on Delta anyway.

al.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:37:15 GMT

Hakan Carlson writes:

> When I tried to true the wheel I noticed that the rim had a 'crack' in
> the brake surface at one of the spoke nipples(sorry didn't notice which
> side). When I had removed the tire, tube and rim strip I found that the
> 'nipple socket'(?) was broken also.
>
> I took the wheel to a bike shop to have it rebuilt. The man in the bike
> shop said it was no wonder my rim had broken because my spokes were to
> tight!

A crack in a rim cannot come from over-tightening with a rim that otherwise
would perform satisfactorily.  This is an established rim with reliable
performance and has a different mode of failure than cracking if spoked
too tightly.  The normal failure for over tightened wheels is large side
wobble, not cracking.

The cracking is most likely caused by anodizing although faulty extrusion
is a possible but unlikely cause.  Many anodized rims have failed this way
and the onset of these cracks can be seen with a microscope on new rims
after the wheel has been trued.  Cyclic stresses cause the cracks to
propagate from the hard brittle crust into the base metal.

The whole concept of anodized rims cannot go away soon enough.  There is
no functional reason to anodize rims.  It only degrades their integrity.

Stay away from anodized rims if you want to avoid these problems.  I
suspect that the failures occur most often with the thickest anodizing
and that most rims are relatively safe because the coating is cosmetic
and thin.  Through variations in process, some rims probably get a thicker
coating and if loaded sufficiently in use, they crack.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cadence
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:33:09 GMT

John Unger writes:

> I some ways I was gratified because some of my riding companions are
> always giving me a hard time about "spinning" too much. Now I know I'm
> in good company at least as far as how fast I pedal; of course, I'm
> probably in a 40x16 while they are pushing a 54x14 at the same revs!!!

Well you're not entirely in the clear yet.  As you mention, there is a
a gear difference.  Taken broadly, spinning at low speed could be likened
to the owner of a Porsche 969 who drives around town at 6000 rpm or more
because that's what they turn at Le Mans.

I agree that success in bicycling can be achieved in spinning... but you
must be able to spin big gears.  That's the catch.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: Mountain Co-op
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 23:35:59 GMT

I remember seeing a discussion of a mail-order company here in B.C. 
called 'Mountain Co-op' or something similar.  In any case, are their
prices much less than local shops?  I find that the shops in Victoria
offer prices similar to U.S. mail-order! (after exchange/duties).

If 'Mountain Co-op' is competitive, could someone please post an
address or phone number?


Thanks,

Gianpaolo (John) Panusa
jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:04:24 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>In rec.bicycles, naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
>>Last night (12/29) I taped the 12:30 to 2:05 (12/30 am) Olympic converage
>>in hopes of seeing some track event.  Well, this morning as I fast
>>forwarded through the volley ball and boxing, I came up to the end
>>of the show!  Did I skip through the track coverage?

My VCR remote isn't working so I started recording on EP at 10 pm which
gives me about 6 hours of tape.  I couldn't find any cycling either,
but I did manage to pick up "Wrestlers vs. Bodybuilders" on Family Fued.

David Mackintosh
From: boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta)
Subject: Re: Frame fit
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:40:00 GMT
Summary: BEWARE OF YE OLDE BOZO SALESMAN!!


Maybe my story may keep others from getting shafted.

Last year, I purchased a Trek 1400.  I was fitted for this bike
using the old "standover" method (stradle the top tube - your
crotch should be about 1" from touching).  I paid for my new
ride and rode happily into the sunset.

After repeated rides and tinkering, I still could not get
comfortable.  I assumed it was my football-battered body acting up
and decided to keep riding in discomfort.

The more I rode the more I got hooked on cycling, so I decided to
do some reading to become more knowledgable on the subject.  I
picked up copies of both Lemond's and Hinault's books (little
did I know the latter was geared mainly toward racing).  However,
one thing was constant - according to both book's calculations, I
was riding a frame that was 4cm too large.  No wonder it felt as
if my frame was designed by the Marquis de Sade.

Luckily, I was able to sell the 1400 quite easily.  I then went
back to the same shop and ordered a Trek 2300.  The saleman
insisted I should by a larger frame size than my calculations
called for.  I declined and demanded he sell me the size frame I
wanted (which he did).

I still hurt when I ride, but not nearly as much as I used to.  I
also ride faster for the same given effort (I don't race, but hey,
fast = fun).

There seems to be a zillion sizing methods out there.  Just pick a
proven one and go with it.  AND DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING A
SALESMAN TELLS YOU!!


Joe LaPenta


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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs... Part II
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:03:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>While it is very plain that Jobst is purely negative on virtually
>any issue, it is equally plain that he does have a lot of experience
>and knowledge to impart (if you can pry it out of him.)

>Anyone that can't take an attack from Jobst probably shouldn't post
>anything here anyway. And when he launches one of those sensless attacks
>it could easily be blunted if the rest of us simply stay calm and
>point out his errors, without personalities becoming involved.

Sounds like material for the FAQ.

jim
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