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From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: DIKENLERLE CEVRILI KAKTUSLER
Date: 10 Jan 1993 13:08:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu





Vandan Shivanin bir sozu vardir. Bati biliminin temellerini sorgular
ken, bilginin  kaynagina gider, ve degerlendirmesini dusunceye ve kisi
lige sekil veren seyin bir anlamda, sahip oluna bilginin derecesi ve 
nitelikleri ile bagimli  oldugunu soyler. Paulo Freire, Brezilyali
egtimci, DOMINATION  dan bahseder. Bunu bizim toplumumuza uyguladigimiz 
zaman ortaya cikan kendilerini bilgili sanan fakat bilgi diye 
cahillikleriinin esiri olan, DIKENLERLE CEVRILI KAKTUSLER  gibi kendi
lerini ozgur sanan gaaribanlar turemis.

1. Niye bu kadar agir dil kullaniyorum. Oncelikle sayin METE
 ve digerlerinin yazdiklarindan anladigim, karsidaki kisinin fikrine
saygi duyma diye bir insanlik anlayisindan haberleri yok .

Beyler, once biiraz medeni olun, karisinizdaki ister, putperest ister
inege tapan, hanngi dinden olursa olsun once sayggili olun saygi deriken
elesttiryi disarda birakiyorum.

2. Sloganlar der yazarin bir tanesi, uretilen fakat uretemeyen
birer zavalli kelime yiginidir. Hur dusuncenin  ve diolagun ounde
birer engel olan sloganlasan dusunce, hosgoruden insanlikdan uzak 
insan kiliklli yaratiklar uretir.

3. Dusuncenin bittigi yerde sloganlar baslar, sayin METE de oldugu
gibi, artik fikir uretme sinir zorlandiginda kanin damarlara yaptigi
basinc gibi sancilar baslar ve METE GIBI  hertaraf saldiran garib
yaratiklar cikar, (Kusura bakma Maestro seniin bu kategotinin de 
altinda kaliyorsun )

4.Kufur etmeden, INSANLASMA SURECINE GIRMIS INSNALaR OLARAK efendice
fikir beyan ederseniz buyrun tartisalim. Buyrun konusalim. Muslumana
saygili olun ki size saygili olalim.

Hurmetlerimle

Remzi Cirit
From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1993Jan05203731.AA54782@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|Emre Erkut:
|------------------
|*> In article <14003.9301051440@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk 
|*>                                        (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
|*> 
|*> >Kimsenin hediyeden veya ba$ka bir$eyden haberi yokken, hediyele$meyi
|*> >Rasulu araciligiyla sunnet kilan Allah'a sonsuz hamd-u senalar olsun.
|*> >Bazi yontulmami$lar istedigi kadar meseleyi oraya buraya cekmeye
|*> >cali$sin bu bir$eyi degi$tirmez.
|*> >Beytullah
|*> 
|*> Islamdan once hediye vermek nedir kimse bilmiyor muydu yani? Hediye 
|*> yalniz bir Islam gelenegi midir?
|*>
|*> -- 
|*> Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
|*> Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
|
|Emre,
|
|Eminim Beytullah'in tepkisine cok sasirmissindir. Aslinda bu kadar sasirmana
|ben de sasirdim. Dikkat ettiysen, Islamcilar batinin herseyine tepki
|gosteriyorlar. Onlarin geleneklerini, davranislarini kabul edilemez bulurlar.
|Aslinda Islami hareket batiya tepkiden ortaya cikmistir. Ortadogunun
|ezilen halklarina, batiya karsi durabilmeleri icin gerekli ideolojik
|destegi su an icin Islam veriyor. Bundan, cok degil, 10 sene once
|bu destegi Komunizm veriyordu. 
|


Ey net ahalisi......

Bakiniz Mr. Kaya kendisine sorulan hic bir soruya cevap vermezken
hemen Beytullahin bir yazisindakiler hakkinda konustu neden dersiniz ?
Yazdiklarinin savunmasini Beytullaha birakarak ben simdi KAYA nin
kendisinin duelloya davet ettigi insanlarin sordugu sorulara cevap
vermemesinin nedenini size soyleyeyim. Cunku cevap verecek ne bir
materiali nede o konularda bilgisi vardir. Cunku Turan Dursun Amcasi
onlari kitabina almayi unutmus. KAYA ancak birisi ortaya tartismaya
acik herhangi bir yone cekilecek bir laf ederse o zaman hemen
tavanda mal bulmus gibi klevyeye sarilir. Baslar dokturmeye.
Yazdiklarinin yinede %80 i zirvalamaktan ibaret.

Kendi soylediklerinin dogrulugunu ispat etmek icinse hersey yapar. O
kadar ileri giderki Saddam Huseyin'i bile Islam mucahidi yapar (!).


|"Islamiyetten once hediye vermek yok muydu?" sorun cok ilgincti.

Aha iste yakaldi bir cumle. Sanki boyle iddia eden var. Hadi KAYA basla
simdi kafadan firlatmaya kelimeleri ve cumleleri...... Kolay gelsin

Unutma ben buradayim. Hala bekliyorum. Kiyamete kadarda bekleyecegim.
Uzulmecek darilmacak yoktur. ...........


Kaya ve TURLERI haric net ahalisine ozurlerimle saygilar sunarim

Ercan


|
|saygilarimla
|------------
|kaya
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:14114 alt.conspiracy:13961
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Bogomils (was Re: the Schiller Institute tail-ending on the Bosnia issue)
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:42:18 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>Jack Campin, after repeating the usual slanderous characterizations
>of LaRouche and his associates as "fascist", asks for more info on
>this group. [...] The
>following is an article originally posted to alt.activism by John
>Covici. It is an adaptation of a speech given by Jacques Chemenade
>on the Versailles System.
[...]
>-Steve Crocker
><begin reposted material>
>Article #33528 (33773 is last):
>From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
>Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com
>>Newsgroups: alt.activism
>Subject: Versailles System:  an Act of Unparalleled Madness in History
>Date: Mon Aug 31 03:46:01 1992

>The Versailles System: An Act of
>Madness Unparalleled in History 

>by Jacques Cheminade 

[...]
>   The evilness of man is the
>hypothesis of the Cathars, the
>Bogomils, who negate God by negating
>his creation, his creative powers, and
>locate ``perfection'' in the refusal of
>life. Bogomils means
>``buggers''--sodomizers of the dead
>ones.
[...]
>From New Federalist v6, #33.
[...]
>----
>         John Covici
>          covici@ccs.covici.com

I wonder where did the enlightened author of this article find this bizzare
explanation of the meaning of Bogomils. Bogomil (Bogumil) means "dear to
God" in most Slavic languages, and is a quite common name among Bulgarians.
I won't go into further discussion of the Bogomils and their philosophy,
since I don't believe any of the posters in this thread would be interested
in it.

-Vassil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T. Guralp)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:40:41 GMT


test...
test...

yet another test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Deniz Ertas)
Subject: Re: Turkish as a second language
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:12:26 GMT

In article <s40296g@rpi.edu>, dogrusou@electra.cs.rpi.edu (Ugur Dogrusoz) writes:
|> 
|>    I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can get texts
|> for learning Turkish as a second language (in English).
|>    Thanks a lot.
|> 
|>    Ugur Dogrusoz


Inkilap Yayinlari has such a set for learning Turkish as a second language.
It's called "Guzel Turkceyi Ogreniyorum", and consists of three sets
with textbook, keybook(for whatever language you'd like), workbook and
tapes. They're not very well organized (especially for self-study!) and lack 
the quality of a good textbook for ESL, for example, but it can be very useful
if there's a native Turkish speaker readily available to the student.
You should be able to mail order. I don't remember their address
off the top of my head, but I can dig it out if you want me to.

I'm posting this on the net since there might be other people that would be
interested in such a product.


Deniz Ertas

 
|> 
|>    Dept. of Computer Science
|>    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
|>    Troy, NY 12180
|> 
|>    e-mail : dogrusou@cs.rpi.edu
|>
From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (mustafa o tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Her seye ragmen bir FIKRA...
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:21:06 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


Hadi bir fikra da benden...

Dunyadaki guncel sorunlari en iyi sekilde anlatmak icin bir uluslararasi
yarisma acilmis. Yarismaya bircok ulkeden bir cok yarismaci (bilim adami,
sanatci, politikaci vs.) katilmis. Turkiye'den de Temel katilmis. Herkes 
sira ile kendince gunumuzun en onemli sorununu kendine has bir yontemle
belirtmeye calismis. Sira Temel'e geldiginde ise, bizim ustad bir elinde
prezervatif, diger elinde 1 adet gul, suratinda ise gaz maskesi takili
olarak ortaya cikmis ve oylece beklemeye koyulmus. Temel'i gorenler once
hayret etmisler ama biraz dusundukten sonra bayagi etkilenmisler. Evet,
Temel dunyanin en onemli sorununu en guzel sekilde anlatmayi basarmis.
Prezervatif dogum kontrolunu, gaz maskesi cevre kirlenmesini, gul ise
hizli nufus artisi ve cevre kirlenmesi dolayisi ile yok olmaya yuz tutan
guzelim dogayi anlatiyormus. 

Yapilan oylama sonucu Temel buyuk bir farkla birinci secilmis. Odul toreni
sirasinda gazeteciler kendisine kiyafeti ile ne anlatmak istedigini sormuslar.
Bizim Temel de cevap vermis: "Ha bu kaputla sevismek, aha bu maske ile
gul koklamaga benziyor usaklar."

Hersey gonlunuzce olsun

M. Okan Tanrikulu

* Ben bu fikrayi Laz fikrasi olarak duydum. Fakat Laz agzi yapmayi beceremedigim
  icin biraz ayip ettim. Umarim kusurum af ola...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: dogrusou@electra.cs.rpi.edu (Ugur Dogrusoz)
Subject: Turkish as a second language
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:28:44 GMT


   I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can get texts
for learning Turkish as a second language (in English).
   Thanks a lot.

   Ugur Dogrusoz

   Dept. of Computer Science
   Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
   Troy, NY 12180

   e-mail : dogrusou@cs.rpi.edu
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The children of "18-year-old democracy".
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:07:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <C0pC9y.FA2@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

> The same one that gave us "aristocracy", "tyranny" and "oligarchy".  I do

You forgot despotism, mania, and maybe others like schizophrenia. :-).

What's word borrowing/invention go to do with things like television,
ergodic, entropy ? They were constructed from Latin and Greek
by western scholars at a very late date.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Some answers to YOU (Re: Some questions to you...)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:39:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.035715.12015@en.ecn.purdue.edu> baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:
>
>I wonder why you did not accept my invitation of a North Cyprus tour from
>Famagusta to Lefka last year. Remember Theodore? It is still valid, and 
	Oh, I did. But you see when I got to Ledra Palace, the King's (not
Elvis) guards told me that I had to sign some papers with which I would give up
any demands on my house, land and property in Assia,Famagusta.
	Let me ask you something. Do you have a PC? Say you do. And say I 
somehow manage to steal it from you (make it a 486). But being so kind, I give
you the right to come and look at it from time to time. PROVIDED of course
that you sign a paper saying that you don't want it any more.
	Let your answer be my answer to your invitation.
>
>Cheers,
>Okan Baysan
>
>PS: If you insist, I will take you to your parents' "cage" on the way back
>to the Ledra Palace Customs. How about that?        ^^^^^^
>
	would you please clarify this. Because if you mean our house in
Assia, you better ask you mom and dad. You will change your mind....

Regards
Theodore David

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: haberler / news
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:52:29 GMT

In article <C0pwxn.BFD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
> In article <9301110513.AA13512@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> Turkish
Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
writes:
	[ ... ]

Uzgunum Emre, beni asagidaki paragraf daha cok ilgilendirdi!
Tabi yukaridaki kommentlerinede katiliyorum.

> 
> >    -Trabzon'da kanser artisi %109. Vali Kemal Esensoy,
> >gecen eylul ayinda Saglik Bakanligi'na yaptigi resmi
> >basvuruda Cernobil faciasini takip eden yillarda baslayan
> >kanser vakalarinin 1991-1992 yillarinda yuzde 109 arttigini,
> >istatstiki verilerle ortaya koydu.
> 
> Halbuki zamanin milliyetci-muhafazakar saglik bakani, "radyasyonun
> azinin yarari bile vardir" diyordu. Radyasyonlu cayi ( goya ) da
> iciyordu. Uzmeyin caninizi, Turk'e birsey olmaz. Bu sark 
> kafasiyla gidilirse daha cok sey olur.

	Bu saglik bakani ni ormandan mi alip getirmisler?
	Bu kadar gerzek kafa insan duymadim, ustelik saglik bakani
	"Turk'e bir sey olmaz". Yaradi be, gulmeye ihtiyacim vardi.

> -- 
> Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited
> Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
> Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

Suleyman
-- 
	"I wish God existed, since the justice doesn't!"
       		                                  Anonymous
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject:  Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:14:24 GMT

In article <9989.9301101852@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk 
(Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes...
>Lan Mete, namussuz durzu, Iran'da mut'a nikahini yaparak kizilba$cilik
>oynadigini sen itiraf etmedin mi?
> 

Babasi belli olmayan,ensest Beytullah hiyar'i..
Mut'a nikahi yapmak neden kizilbascilik oluyor??Islam'a 100% uygun
bir is degil mi? Yoksa Iran'da islam adi altinda baska isler mi
donuyor da,bizim haberimiz yok..

>Muslumana kendi yaptigin camuru atma, soysuz herif.
> 
>Beytullah

Hakaret etmek istiyorsan,direkt hakaret et parlak Beyti,sacmalaman
gereksiz..Allah Baba'nin Rasulullah'i ile gonderdigi emirler
dahilinde ne gerekiyorsa onu yaptim..Seriat'i elestirmek
sanami kaldi??Yoksa Islam'da sacma kurallar mi var??

MUB
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Some answers to YOU (Re: Some questions to you...)
Keywords: Okan's dreams :Enosis, EOKA, Makarios, Palikaria, Athens, Junta
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:18:50 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <1993Jan8.034645.11775@en.ecn.purdue.edu> baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.021738.15773@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
>>Okaaaan, wake uuuuuup!!!! It's 1993.
>
>So? Has  1993 changed your sheer greed and Enosis (Union of Cyprus with 
>Greece) mind? In fact, was it not you, besides Constantine Caroutas, who
>did not think there was anything wrong with Enosis ? Now you are telling
  And I back it up. That WAS the will of 82% of the population. As Caroutas
noted, Hatay-Alexandretta unified with Turkey with only 60% of the population
voting for it. But this IS not the case for 1993's Cyprus.
	I urge you. Next time you go back to Cyprus, visit the government
controled part. You don't need any papers; you are a citizen of Cyprus.
Take a look for yourself. Ask for yourself. See for yourself what Cypriots
think and what they care about.
	You will find out why I called you the frozen man before. You
will find out that youself is 2-3 decades in the past. 
>
>Cheers,
>Okan Baysan
>                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
....you will find that you live and think with this^^^ logic.
From: koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: father christmas is used in English
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:00:52 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: rize.ece.orst.edu


The most common names for the fat guy with a white beard and
red suit are

Santa
Santa Claus
Saint Nicholas
Sint Nikolaus
Sinterklaas

However, Father Christmas is also used, not that often though.
There are some nursery rhymes and little poems which uses the
term Father Christmas.

The term Noel means (natalis, fr.) birthday, i.e., Christmas, 
relating to the birth of Jesus, also known as Isa.

Cetin Koc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
Subject: KUFUR EDENLERE, TO THOSE WHO SWEARS...
Keywords: none
Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se(Hilmi Eren)
Organization: Stockholm University, SWEDEN
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:05:04 GMT



SCT'deki agir kufur eden "kisilere"
benden bir mesaj:



           
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              |   |
              |\_/|
              |:::|
              |:::|
              |:::|
          ___ |<#>| ___
         /=-=\|:::|/=-=\ __
       __|:::||:::||:::|/--\
      /::|:::||:::||:::||::|
     |:::|:::||:::||:::||::|
     |:::|=*=::=*=::=*=::**|
     |:::::::::::::::::::::|
      \::::::::::::::::::::|
       \::::::::::::::::::/
         \:::::::::::::::/
           \::::::::::::|
            |:::::::::::|
            |:::::::::::|

              




Bunu munasip bir yerinize...

Hilmi Eren
Stockholm University
Sweden
Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se

NOT: Bundan daha fazla isteyenler agir kufure
     devam edebilirler...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: "TURK" lere KINAMA
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:02:46 GMT

In article <30027@castle.ed.ac.uk> emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral) writes:
>soc.culture.turkish grubuna dahil tum "TURK" lere :
>
>Aksiyomlar:
>
>- TR nin %99 u "Musluman" dir.

Bu istatistik nereden alinmis? 

>- TR gecmisi Orta Asya'ya dayanan ve 1071 de Alpaslan'in Malazgirt
>  ovasinda 500,000 kisilik Rum ordusunu bozguna ugratmasiyla Anadolu'ya
>  yerlesmis insanlarin torunlarinin ocagidir.  Bu savas din ugruna
>  yapilmis bir cihad idi.

Zayif bir assumption.

>- 1071 den bu yana yuzbinlerce cihad ile kanlarini dokerek son olarak 
>  Ingilizine, Kanadalisina, Fransizina..  karsi savasarak T.C. ye 
>  sahip ciktilar(tarih).  Bu savas ta din ugruna bir cihad idi (Ataturk'un 
>  Nutkuna ve nutuklarina bakin).

Ataturk tabi ki din unsurunu kullanarak insanlari savasa dolduracak. Yoksa
ulusculuktan, halkciliktan, laiklikten, cumhuriyetten sozetse Osmanli
egemenliginde gecen yuzyillar sonunda korlesmis ve gerilemis halk
savasir miydi? 

Sonuc: Axiom'lariniz yanlissa tartisma bastan duser.

>Sonuc:
>
>Bugun Bosna'da 128,000 Musluman oldurulup yediden yetmise 60,000
>Muslumanin hamile birakilincaya kadar turlu fecaatler
>ile irzlarina gecildiginde yerinden kipirdamayan "Musluman" ulke
>hukumetlerinin yine yuksek degerler ugruna bu nette carpisan bir
>avuc Muslumana destek vermeyen diger sct net okuyucu "Muslumanlardan"
>ne farklari var?  Zaten insanlar layik olduklari gibi yonetilir diyen
>Peygamber Efendimiz (SAV) degil mi?

Arap ulkeleri Bosna'ya neden seyirci kaliyor? 

>Cenabi Hak'kin iyi niyetlileri beyinlerindeki ve kalblerindeki zincirleri
>kirarak gercege ulastirmasi dilegiyle.

SInIrlar icinde dusunenlerin mi beyni zincirli, yoksa ozgur dusunenlerin mi?

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:14:51 GMT

In article <28518.9301091628@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:
>|>O DINI Avrupalara kadar tasimis ve ISLAM MILLETi icerisinde onemli
>|  					  "alemi" olacak
>
>
>Bu konudada anlasamayacagiz. Bak ben millet deyince baska birsey
>sen ise baska bir sey anliyorsun. Bunuda oturup konusmamiz lazim.

Millet ( ulus ) denince, bir dinin bir araya getirdigi ( ya da getirmeye
calistigi :-) ) veya bir dinin semsiyesi altinda bulunan halklar 
toplulugu anlasilmaz.

Ulus olabilmek icin nelerin gerektigi ortaokul kitaplarinda yazilidir.

Olsa olsa Islam ummeti veya alemi olur. 

Turk ulusu, Arap ulusu, Alman ulusu olur.

Religion =/= nationality.

>gostermediniz ? KAYA inanmasin. Okuduklarinada inanmasin ama
>AYETLERI KAFASINA GORE GEREKIRSEDE KELIMELER KATARAK yorumlamasin.
>Sizde buna seyirci kalmayin. Birisi simdi size ve ailenize

Kusura bakmayin, ayetler uzmanlik alanima girmiyor.

>Simdi siz ya bu neti okumuyorsunuz yada kasitli olarak yaziyorsunuz.
>Bir kere kimsenin hemen hop oturup hop kalktigi olmadi.

Bu nette kufuru aliskanlik haline getirten Adanali Celal'dir.

>Not: Son zamanlarda nette cerayan eden butun kufurlu tartismalari
>yapanlari protesto ediyorum. Erkeklik klavyenin arkasindan kufur
>etmek degildir. Onu 6 yasindaki ufacik bir delikanlida yapar. Kendinize

Bakin bu cumleniz iyi amacli olsa bile iyi olusmamis. Niye? 
Erkeklik yuceltilmis. Insanlik/kisilik deseniz halbuki kimse
hakkinizda klasik ataerkil duzenin dusunce sistemine uymus diye
dusunmez.

Erkek olmak, biyikli olmak marifet degildir.

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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