From: ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Subject: Re: Family values defined
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 21:11:09 GMT

In article <69615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct1.180933.4236@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@euterpe.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
|> >In article <69448@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Sep29.191756.4141@watson.ibm.com>
|> >>The only tyrannical people I've every met was the group 
|> >>Queer Nation one Sunday at a Cracker Barrel.
|> >
|> >Speaking of tyrannical, what about the Cracker Barrel executives who ordered
|> >people fired because of their sexual orientation?  Or did you even bother
|> >to find out what the protest was protesting?
|> 
|> Yes, I knew before I went in and was well aware of it, when I entered.
|> However, I'm not sure QN really made any effort to inform me.  I think
|> they assumed I knew, but they may have had some stuff - it has been
|> about 1 1/2 years, but I still remember the theme of QN's presence.
|> 
|> >I imagine this situation.  The year is 1963.  A group of people have
|> >the nerve to picket a restaurant because it won't serve black people,
|> >and recently decided to fire all of its black staff. Richard is
|> >terribly upset at these bad people who have spoiled his nice dinner,
|> >and can't understand why people aren't sympathetic to his trauma.
|> 
|> I believe you have confused the analogy.  For the pickets in the
|> 60's were Peaceful, Non-violent protest.  I just saw them re-enacted
|> on the PBS's LBJ Presidential Series.  There was quite a difference.
|> Dr. King was very vocal on being non-violent and peaceful - the
|> recaps of the civil rights protest I hear today continue to echo that theme.
|> 
|> Find out where Act-Up or Queer Nation is protesting and go and view it.
|> 
|> >Did it ever occur to you that you and your problems are perhaps not the
|> >center of the Universe?  That perhaps God does not play favorites?  That
|> 

So it was the TONE of the demonstration you objected to, rather than the fact that
it was a demonstration against discrimination against homosexuals? Yes or no. I haven't
seen you calling the pro-life movement tyrannical - surely you've seen (at least on TV)
the cretins who yell "Murderer!" and other nice things at women trying to excercise their
existing rights. Yet, you brand the anti-gay-discrimination movement tyrannical because
they SPOILED YOUR DINNER! I am often disgusted with ACT-UP & Queer Nation myself because I
disagree violently:) with their tactics. But I see little difference between their methods
and those of terrorists such as Randall Terry. In both cases, however, I distinguish 
between their AIMS and their MMETHODS. Again, do you support discrimination against gays
(specifically such things as being fired or denied employmeny BECAUSE of being gay) or 
not?

|> God doesn't play favorites. 
|> 
|> >just maybe the people who got fired from their jobs after working at
|> >Cracker Barrel for years had a bad day too?
|> 
|> I do not deny an emotional problems resulting from the firings - I 
|> never said anyone was not fully human.
|> 
|> >As a Christian, you ought at least to *try* to have some tiny bit of
|> >fellow feeling for your fellow humans.  I'm not asking you to love your 
|> >neighbor, but to get beyond complete contempt and disregard would be a
|> >start.
|> 
|> As I said in the previous post, don't confuse my speaking out against
|> this as a hatred for the individuals.  They are not one and the same,
|> for me.  I love my neighbor.

But you're willing to trash his/her life simply because he/she doesn't agree with
your (unsupported and irrational) religious views? With "love" like that who needs hate?
 
|> 
|> >     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
|> >               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
|> 
|> For Christ and His Kingdom,
|> Richard Pitts
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