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From: tommy@ACS00.CC.VANDERBILT.EDU (Tommy Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Unsubscribe from list
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:12:17 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I would like to unsubscribe from this list.

Thank you.

--Tommy Williams   "Children picking up our bones
  (615) 343-0343    Will never know that these were once
                    As quick as foxes on the hill"
                                     - Wallace Stevens
From: zeogas@bu-it.bu.edu (Steven Zeogas)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Shareware MacTCP ??
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: zeogas@bu-it.bu.edu (Steven Zeogas)
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Does anyone know of a shareware package that provides MacTCP like 
services and available on the Internet?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Internet: zeogas@bu-it.bu.edu              | Systems
Phone: 617/353-9027                        | 881 Commonwealth Avenue
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From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: IPTalk protocol spec?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:24:45 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville, Oregon

If the IPTalk protocol is documented somewhere, can somebody point me
to the document?  We're thinking of supporting it in an Ethernet
printer.  We've got EtherTalk and UDP, so it seems that IPTalk
shouldn't be a lot of work, but I'd like to scope it out before I make
any promises.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: davidg@interop.com (David Gimpelevich)
Subject: Re: QUICKMAIL? can I access it from Unix??
Organization: Interop Company, Mountian View, CA 
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:40:37 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: QUICKMAIL? can I access it from Unix??
Distribution: comp
Organization: Interop Company, Mountian View, CA 

In article <SHAWN.92Mar30134108@litsun.epfl.ch> shawn@litsun.epfl.ch writes:
>now I want to be able to send mail to QUICKMAIL accounts on the
>appletalk network, but from a unix machine.

There are several products out there that let you do this.  

 1. SMTP\QM from Information Electronics (info@ie.com)
 2. UMCP\QM from the same place.  It can do UUCP over LAN or asynch.
 3. SMTP*Link from StarNine (try info@starnine.com, or postmaster)
 4. GatorMail-QM from Cayman. They OEM SMTP*Link, really (postmaster@cayman.com)
 5. Dispacter/SMTP from InterCon (info@intercon.com)

I have seen and played with all of them.  Each has its pluses and minuses.
Email me please if you would like more detail.

Nothing PD or otherwise free, I'm afraid...
-- 

                                        David Gimpelevich
                                       	Interop Company
                                        davidg@interop.com
From: riffraff.gi.alaska.edu (craig helmuth)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Passive star configuration help...
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: craig@fred.gi.alaska.edu
Organization: Geophysical Institute

In article <GLEN.92Apr10105227@midway.Cayman.COM> glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B.
Glater) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.130407.25975@ctr.columbia.edu> wdburns@mtu.edu (W. D.
Burns) writes:
>
>  >I was just brought on to my site here a few months ago and now that a lot
>  >of the dust has settled I'm starting to see things I think should change.
>  >One things I noticed was the fact that our lab (consisting of 30 macs and
>  >3 laserwriters plus a spooler) are all one leg of a passive star.
>  > 
>  >What do I mean?  Well, according to GraceLan's topology map all devices are
>  >connected off of one leg...Apple reccommends only 5 per leg...
>  >what can I do?
>
>Bill:
>
>No one will recommend that you use a passive star at all.
>
>What you should do is purchase an active star repeater for your LocalTalk.
>
>Two quality products spring to mind.  If you also are going to want to 
>connect the LocalTalk to the Ethernet, you should consider the Cayman
>GatorStar, which is an enhanced GatorBox CS and a 24-port Active Star
>LocalTalk repeater all in one package.
>
>Farallon also makes a LocalTalk Active Star Repeater called the "Star
>Controller."  Their product is very good, but does not include the 
>router functionality.
>
>Nuvotech (actually, it's whoever they just sold their product line to) 
>makes an Active star repeater also.  In previous jobs, I heard of problems
>supporting this product.  I have no practical experience with it, however.
>
>Glen
>--
>
>	*************************************************************
>	Glen B. Glater				Phone: (617) 494-1999         
>	Technical Support Engineer		Fax:   (617) 494-5167         
>	Cayman Systems Inc.			Internet: glen@cayman.com     
>	26 Landsdowne Street			AppleLink:  CAYMAN.TECH	      
>	Cambridge, MA   02139            SneakerNet:  3rd cube on the left    
>
We have used both the Farallon hubs and the Nuvotech (now Focus) hubs and
found the Nuvotech to be better for a couple of reasons.  The Nuvo/Focus
hub has 16 vs. Farallon's 12 port, had (past tense) better management and
the price is better.  Focus sells the TurboStar for $499 - the Farallon is
close to twice that price.

We have half a dozen TurboStar hubs and one Farallon hub - don't build a
LocalTalk/PhoneNet without one!  We were pleasantly surprised three years
ago when we put in our first hub how many *weird* problems vanished.  We have
an order in on a TurboStar from Focus (our first from Focus), so I am still
waiting to see how Focus will act.

Craig Helmuth, Network Manager   |  craig@fred.gi.alaska.edu  
fncah@alaska.bitnet
Geophysical Institute
University of Alaska Fairbanks   |  "Its all FANTASY...until its HISTORY"
From: AFALGUE@uqac.uquebec.ca (Andre Falguyret)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: DDP-IP gateway with cap
Date: 2 Apr 92 22:18:51 GMT
Organization: Universite du Quebec a Chicoutimi


 
 
I would like to known if with cap we can talk from a mac with MACTCP
on appletalk through a router mac appletalk-ethertalk and open a connection
on sparc server.
 
Ex. open a telnet session on sparc server.
 
 
 
    MAC ------- appletalk -------- MAC ------- ethertalk ------ SPARC 470
     |                              |                                |
     V                              V                                V
  MACTCP                        IP router                       CAP with UAB
on appletalk
 
 
It is possible for the sparc server to act as a DDP-IP gateway ?
 
    _  _ _
  / // // /      Andre Falgueyret
 / //_//_/       Universite du Quebec a Chicoutimi
/_/              e-mail: afalgue@uqac.uquebec.ca
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: alee@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Lee)
Subject: Re: PhoneNet cards for PCs: seeking advice
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:09:10 GMT

cheveign@ircam.fr (Alain de Cheveigne) writes:
>I need to get some PhoneNet cards for our PCs.  We already
>have several Farallon PhoneNet cards, but they aren't compatible
>with the newer PCs with fast clock speeds.

Quite right.  I have to run my 25 MHz 386 machine at 8 MHz for the
card I have installed to work.  (Though I suspect it may be a problem
with the software Farallon supplies, which was originally written by
Apple before they sold their PC operation, including the card design,
to Farallon.  I'm using LocalTalk because Stanford hooked up all the
graduate housing to LocalTalk using existing phone wiring.  (Ethernet
was built into the newest housing at construction time.))

>1) Is there anything better than Farallon, or do they have
>faster cards?

I'm fairly sure that Farallon doesn't have anything else.  Dayna makes
LocalTalk cards for both ISA (AT) and MCA (PS/2) busses, and someone
on the net recommended them to me about a year ago.  TOPS, owned by
Sun, makes the LocalTalk-compatible FlashCard.  I believe that the
TOPS software is only compatible with other TOPS software, so you'd
also need TOPS on all your Macs, too.  I'm not sure about this last
part, though.

>2) Would it be better to use Ethernet cards?  Can one access the same
>services (AppleShare, printers on AppleTalk, QuickMail, in addition
>to Internet services via a FastPath) as with a phonenet card?

Farallon's PhoneNet software (formerly Apple's AppleShare PC software)
supports, in addition to the Farallon/Apple board, the DayStar boards,
IBM Token-Ring boards, and 3Com Etherlink II boards (3C503 for ISA,
and their MCA board, I believe.)  The problem with using Ethernet is
that you need something like a Kinetics FastPath box to connect your
Ethernet and LocalTalk networks, and I don't know what you'd do for
Token Ring.  If you already have a FastPath, I think that I'd go for
Ethernet instead of LocalTalk.  It's faster, and quite possibly cheaper.
There's also better TCP/IP support for Ethernet.

>Thanks advice.

You're welcome.

>Alain de Cheveigne,
>Laboratoire de Linguistique Formelle,
>CNRS/Universite Paris 7,
>alain@linguist.jussieu.fr

	Andrew Lee
	alee@leland.stanford.edu, alee@slacvm.bitnet
--
	Andrew Lee
	alee@leland.stanford.edu, alee@slacvm.bitnet
From: cjm@unb.ca (Chris McNeil)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: >Wanted-Apple LocalTalk-
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:00:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of New Brunswick     Fredericton NB Canada


        Reply to:   RE>>Wanted:Apple LocalTalk-P
I know of a few applications that work. First of all there is a localtalk
packet driver available from the usual places. Read the note that is there
also.

NCSA - Works but talks directly to the drivers that come with the localtalk
card.

TN3270- There is a version from Princeton ( is a hacked NCSA , it works OK)

The following work with the Localtalk packet driver.

Ka9q - For those who have never used it here is the scoop.
           supports telnet (no TN3270 though), ftp, pop2 server and client,
           supports smtp, can be a router, can be an ipgateway etc.
           There are multiple versions kicking around, For the pop2 server
to
            to work right I had to make some fixes and recompile. The source

           is available so you can compile in whatever you want . 
           ( almost forgot Ka9q was originally writen to allow TCP/IP over
             packet radio,  read the docs. It is free to Universities
             , $50.00 US to commerical users.)  

NUPOP- A pop2 & pop3 client that uses the packet driver. This program will
work with a ka9q pop2 server that has been fixed as I mentioned above. This
program is based on POPMAIL .
NUPOP is available by ftp but still is beta. New versions appear about once
every few days. I would wait until version 1 is out if I were you (currently
at 0.95c).

If anyone know of any more please let us know.

Also one last note: Most programs that use the packet driver will not work
with the localtalk packet driver. It is a type 5 and most programs will only
work with type 1 (ethernet type). Someone did convert the slip packet driver
to etherslip to get around this. Any takers out there to convert the
localtalk packet driver to type 1 ?

--------------------------------------

>        I've heard that it is possible to run NCSA telnet software using
>Apple LocalTalk-PC cards, and I was wondering if anyone out there knew
>more about this.  Also, I was wondering what kind of software or driver
>support there is for this card in other applications.  Just curious,

>---
>Ken Nose'
>nosekw@odin.icd.ab.com
>Allen Bradley etc.



Chris McNeil
Systems Support
University of New Brunswick
Fredericton NB Canada
cjm@unb.ca
From: liemandt@jessica.stanford.edu (Joe Liemandt)
Subject: MacX over Appletalk Remote Access
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 17:09:14 GMT


I have a Powerbook with Remote Access and would like to run MacX and connect
to a Unix box on the home network.  Is there a way to do this?  I thought
I saw an article posted a while ago, but I can't sem to find it.

Will I need a Gatorbox or Fastpath?  

What I ideally would like to be able to do is:
Powerbook ->Mac on Ethernet ->Unix box  with no additional hardware.
Has anyone tried this?  I have played around a little bit and get a
"connection came up halfway and then failed" error.

I'm not real sharp on these issues, so any help is appreciated.

Joe Liemandt
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: williams@tigger.jvnc.net (Steve Williams)
Subject: Trouble with SLIP
Originator: williams@r2d2.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:09:22 GMT

Hello,

	I am working with NCSA telnet version 2.4.19 (slip for the MAC)
so far all I have been able to do is connect to the slip server through
a normal serial connection, when I try to switch to slip the session
closes and the slip session never opens. Are any of you using this
package now ? or know of anything better for running dial up IP for the
mac.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Williams@r2d2.jvnc.net(Steve Williams)
JvNCnet Princeton.
From: inei@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Nick Nei)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Can I make AUFS server appear in 2 zones?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:09:31 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Is it possible to make the SAME aufs server appear in 2 zones simultaneously?
I managed this with (LocalTalk only) cap and Megan.1.25, but not anymore.

I have a SUN with 2 interfaces.  One on our main cable
and the other on a different subnet. Each were on a different zone.
I had a public read-only aufs server which appeared on both zones.

Now with native Ethertalk (and Megan 2.9), I can't seem to do the same thing.
I can make the aufs server appear in one zone or the other, but
not both.  Suggestions anyone?
Mail:  Nick Nei, Computing Science Dept.,
       Glasgow Univ., 17 Lilybank Gardens,
       Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK.  Tel: (041) 339 8855 x 5457
ARPA:  inei%uk.ac.glasgow.dcs@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk USENET: inei@cs.glasgow.uucp
From: j66@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Tim Dixon)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP & Aliases
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: dixon@rare.nl (Tim Dixon)
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

Organization RARE.
Keywords: 

Is it in fact possible to create aliases to volumes access through CAP?
Our users find that the aliases remain valid only for the lifetime of
one connection to the fileserver, after which there seems to be some
mismatch between the volume id recorded in the aliases and that of
the filserver. Is this a manifestation of the "non-unique-unique-id
feature"? Is there a solution to this? Needless to say this causes
quite a lot of confusion to System 7 users.


Tim Dixon
Project Development Officer, RARE
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: CAP papif doesn't print, but lwpr does.  Help.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:08:56 GMT

I cannot get papif to work on a Sun 4/330, SunOS 4.1.2, CAPpl75.

Here is the situation:

I have a short postscript file, as follows:

%!
/Times-Roman findfont 12 scalefont setfont
72 576 moveto
(Hello, world) show
showpage


I can execute the following:

./lwpr -p "CNNS LaserWriter:LaserWriter@LocalTalk" ./pstest

and the printer will happily print.

However, if I try:

./papif -P lw ./pstest

I get

papif: Starting job for @ at Thu Apr  9 14:11:53 1992 on printer CNNS LaserWriter:LaserWriter@LocalTalk

The priner flashes, but nothing comes out.

So, my questions are:

1) Why do I want to use papif anyway?  All I am ever going to print are basic
text and postscript documents.  Why not write a shell around lwpr?

2) Why is papif hanging?

Thanks.



-- 
Clay W. Luther                  cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
System Manager                  Center for Network Neuroscience
University of North Texas       PO Box 5218 Denton, Texas 76203
817/565-3896,3472               aka. Malraux@GodNet (Bushashuru!)
From: king@orion.arc.nasa.gov (Frank S. King)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: lwsrv problems with DEC LPS40 Printserver
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:45:25 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA


Hello

I am trying to set up lwsrv to work with a DEC LPS40 laserprinter.
I think this subject was covered a while ago in this group.
So far lwsrv works as expected, a file is sent from a mac,
the correct procset is prepended and the file is spooled of to the LPS40.
The LPS40 does nothing with the file from that point.

The machine is a DecStation 5000 ultrix 4.2 and lps 4.0

Does anyone have a similar setup ?
What did you do to make it work ?

I have edited the procsets to remove the "smooth and stretch"
code from the "adict file"

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anthony Intravaia
NASA AMES Research Center
mail intravai@slspo.arc.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: SLIP driver for MacTCP
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:05:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


What`s the status of SLIP drivers for MacTCP?
I know that Intercon has SLIP support for their TCP/IP stack,
however, the applications I use require MacTCP.

Any help would be *GREATLY* appreciated.
Thanks.

--tony
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: IPTalk and AppleTalk phase II coexisting?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 20:20:22 GMT

 Tom> == Tom Evans <tom@wcc.oz.au> 

 Tom> When IPTalk is used to ROUTE AppleTalk packets over IP (between
 Tom> IPTalk routers) it is not compatible with Phase 2 if you have
 Tom> network ranges or zone lists, but will work if you don't.

You can route AppleTalk within IP with extended networks, at least with
the Fastpath running K-STAR 9.1, *as long as the Fastpath does its own
atalkatab parsing*.  This rules out the use of atalkad.

You can do it, though.  We do it from here to Washington, DC.

(We don't use multiple zones on our EtherTalk phase 2 networks, though,
so I don't know if/how that works...)
--
Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org> |    ECONOMIC OBSERVATIONS DEPARTMENT
System Manager & Postmaster     |  "There's always something going out of
Electronic Frontier Foundation  |      business in Central Square."
+1 617 864 0665  NIC: [CKD1]    |   -Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@eff.org>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: trier@slc6.INS.CWRU.Edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Subject: Re: Vanishing zones and ATP2
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:42:21 GMT

In article <3329.9204091728@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, inei@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Nick Nei) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know why our zones appear and dissappear everytime we open
> the EtherTalk adev?
> 
> The ability to select a zone comes and goes
> on the Mac every second or so.  I open the EtherTalk adev and
> there are no zones.  I hit CANCEL and try again, I get all the zones.

Double-check your router configuration to make sure that you are not running
Phase 1 and Phase 2 on different parts of the network.  If you are doing so,
make absolutely certain that you have installed Phase 2 transition routing
strictly according to the docs.

We had this sort of thing happen all the time while I was attempting to set
up a router betwen Phase 2 and Phase 1.  Things mostly worked -- we just had
some very bizarre goings-on in the Chooser.

-- 
Stephen Trier        Dumb error message of the month:
CWRU IRIS/INS         "Mar  1 18:07:18 ziggy xntpd[65]: Clock appears to
trier@ins.cwru.edu     be 86398 seconds slow, something may be wrong"
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: rob@numbat.anu.edu.au (Robert.Davy@anu.edu.au)
Subject: CAP6.0pl100 with enet packet filter
Organization: Australian National University, Computer Services Centre.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:33:44 GMT

We currently have quite a few Sun 4's with CAP6.0 installed and running beautifully on
Campus.  All of them are running with Native EtherTalk Phase 2 on the SunOS NIT interface.
I decided to see if there was any benefit in using the enet packet filter instead,
but can't get it going.  I have followed the instructions to the letter (I think :-)
as provided in the README in cap60/support/enet. The machine I have tried to install
it on is a Sparc 1+ running SunOS 4.1.1.

After the Kernel mods were put in place and the machine rebooted, I get the following
errors when trying to start CAP:

open: /dev/enetXX: No such file or directory
14:10:52 04/10/92  pi_open: aarp_init: No such file or directory
init_enet: network initialization failed
abInit: [ddp:   0.41, 39], [GW:   0.41, 141] starting
localhost: RPC: Program not registered

I checked /dev/enet0 and it's there:

crw-rw-rw-  1 root       4,   0 Apr 10 11:04 /dev/enet0

I must have done something stupid, but I can't see it, 'cause everything seems to be
there.

Any Ideas???

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert Davy                                 Robert.Davy@anu.edu.au
Computer Services Centre                     Phone: +61 6 249 2978
Australian National University                 Fax: +61 6 247 3425
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jeremym@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jeremy Maris)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Problems with HP Laserjet III + Postscript + Liaison
Keywords: HP Postscript Liaison Printer Laserjet
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:10:29 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

We have a Laserjet III with HP Postscript cartridge and HP appletalk
interface. We route between appletalk and ethertalk with Liaison (3.0.2)
The HP Laserjet keeps dropping off the network, but other localtalk
devices (including a Laserwriter NTX) are routed fine.
This behaviour  seems to be associated with printing long jobs 
(> about 6 pages) or those with more complex postscript to the HP Laserjet.
Some observations:

i)   Printing to the HP via localtalk via a short dedicated net is OK
ii)  Printing via localtalk to the usual net is mostly OK
iii) CAP printing from Ultrix (CAP 6.00 patch 100) or ethertalk Macs
     fails as described above. Running atlooklws sometimes  seems to wake up
     the HP LJ3 if it has disappeared
iv)  The HP LJ3 sometimes crashes, maintaining that it is
     "processing data" on the front panel but  drops of the network, and is
     only resurrected by power cycling.


HP technical support can offer no assistance. Has anyone else
experienced similar problems?

Jeremy Maris
-- 
Jeremy Maris,Experimental Psychology,University of Sussex,Brighton,England.
Janet: jeremym@uk.ac.sussex.syma  Nsfnet: jeremym@syma.sussex.ac.uk 
Bitnet: jeremym%sussex.syma@ukacrl.bitnet   UUCP: ...ukc!syma!jeremym 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: MacTCP DNR
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:21:03 GMT

GA0095@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU ("Robert J. Brenstein") writes:

>Did Apple jumped a gun and gave it type cdev in anticipation of
>future functionality like name resolution or ping? Does anybody
>know whether it is safe to change the type to something else?

Don't change it! It is file type "cdev" because the way you opened the
DNR for MacTCP 1.0.x was to look for a file of type "cdev" and creator
"mtcp" in the System Folder. Since MacTCP 1.1 goes in the Control
Panels folder under System 7, and its creator is "ztcp", this file must
be there in the System Folder for people who have code linked with the
MacTCP 1.0.x libraries.

pr
--
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu