From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part X, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:15:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy


      I made the following transcript from a tape recording of 
      a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station 
           WBAI-FM (99.5)
           505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
           New York, NY 10018        (212) 279-0707

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      [I could not understand a few of the interviewee's words 
       because his voice on the phone was distorted.]

JOHN DAVIS:
Immediately after this episode, Robert Kennedy went after (quote)
"friends and associates" of Marcello, Santo Trafficante, [name is
unintelligible due to aircraft radio interference], and the
mob-led Teamsters' [Union] boss, Jimmy Hoffa. Soon, FBI
electronic listening devices began picking up complaints from
mobsters all over the country about what Kennedy was doing to
them. I'll mention just two of them. They were reported by the
House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979. [name is
unintelligible], a mobster working for the Bruno Family in
Philadelphia, was recorded by a bug saying this: "See what
Kennedy done? With Kennedy, I should take a knife and stab and
kill the f*cker. I mean it. This is true. Honest to God. I hope I
get a week's notice. I'll kill. I'll kill, right in the White
House. Somebody has got to get rid of this guy."
Nicolino Carlente [sp], a Genovese Family caporegine[?][probably
means something like "royal head"], two months later was recorded
by an FBI bug saying this: "I'd like to hit Kennedy. I'd gladly
go to the penitentiary for the rest of my life. Believe me."

Well, by the fall of 1962, the Mafia had become desperate. In the
summer of `62, Jimmy Hoffa, who of course was totally controlled
by the Mafia, confided a plan to assassinate both Kennedy brothers
to Louisiana Teamsters official, Edwin Parton[sp]. Parton's
testimony on this issue was later confirmed by a Louisiana judge.
Two months later, a businessman from Las Vegas was present 
at a farm house in Louisiana when he heard Carlos Marcello
threaten to kill President Kennedy -- not only threaten, but to
outline a plan to kill him in order to neutralize his crusading
brother Bobby. Two weeks after this, Marcello's Florida friend
and associate, Santo Trafficante -- who was very much involved
also in the anti-Castro Cuban movement -- was talking to a Cuban
exile leader, Jose` Alaman [?] about how Robert Kennedy was
persecuting Jimmy Hoffa. "Mark my word", Trafficante told Alaman,
"This man Kennedy is in trouble and will get what is coming to
him."  At this, Alaman took issue with Trafficante, and
Trafficante replied, "No, Jose`, you don't understand me. Kennedy
is not going to make it to the election. He is going to be hit."
Alaman, incidentally, who doubled as an FBI informant, related
this conversation to the FBI and it was eventually related to
[FBI Director] J. Edgar Hoover. So Hoover, by this time -- by the
fall of 1962 -- must have known that some plot was in the wind.

Skipping a few months, we come to the spring of 1963, and an
allegation by an FBI informant in New Orleans that seemed to
indicate that a plot, a Mafia plot to assassinate Kennedy was in
the wind. Eugene Della Colle [?], who was a bar man in a Marcello
controlled bar in New Orleans, told the FBI that in April, 1963,
Carlos Marcello's brother Tony had come into the bar one morning
to service the slot machines, and said (quote): "There is a price
on the President's head and other members of the Kennedy Family.
Somebody will kill Kennedy when he comes south."

So, in conclusion, Mafia boss Carlos Marcello and his allies in
the Mob and in the Teamsters Union had powerful motives to kill
Kennedy. We have witnesses who have testified to their planning
an assassination attack on the President -- associates who
apparently had foreknowledge of such an attack, such as Santo
Trafficante and the one I just mentioned, Tony Marcello. So the
motive was there.

Now, if you want to get into a discussion of means, we can do
that. If you want to get into a discussion of how a cover-up was
put in place, we can go into that.

GARY NULL:
Sir, we're going to get into all those things, but unfortunately,
we have a terrible, almost inaudible connection on your line.
We're going to ask you to hang up so that our engineer can call
you back. But I want Jones Harris to stay on. I just want John
Davis to hang up because we're going to call you back. I'm sorry
for the poor technical quality.

Let's switch over to Jones Harris. Welcome to our program Mr.
Harris.

JONES HARRIS:
Hi, Gary.  Nice to meet you at long last. I've looked forward to
this.  Now, I'd just like to make a few comments.

I'm nowhere near as informed on the Organized Crime level as John
Davis, who has written an excellent book, that I do recommend to
people to read, called MAFIA KINGFISH. My point is this. I went
to Dallas at the end of `63 and then spent a lot of `64 there.
I interviewed a great many people: police, lawyers who knew
police, and so forth. It was made very clear to me that Jack Ruby
was a member of Organized Crime, that he had been so for a long
time; that he held a very important position for anybody to hold
in any major American city. And that is, he was one of the
chief suborners of all Dallas police who would do the bidding
of Organized Crime. He was the payoff man, which meant that he
had a LOT of important information and a lot of important
knowledge. Anybody who knows the case, knows the ease with which
he circulated throughout those days, including getting in in
order to kill Oswald. I don't think there's any doubt that Jack
Ruby worked directly under a man named Joe Civella [sp], who was
the Organized Crime boss in Dallas who directly, himself, worked
under the far more important figure, Carlos Marcello.

I'd like to tell your audience, Gary, that the idea of a
conspiracy does not begin with a lot of researchers and people
like myself -- some of whom wrote books, some of whom didn't.
It begins within the Warren Commission itself. I think there are
not many people who understood that one of the top members of the
Commission, Senator Richard Russell [of Georgia] REFUSED TO SIGN
the Warren Commission [Report] at the end when it was finished.
He had felt all along that it was a conspiracy. He had called
Marina Oswald, from whom eighty percent of the stuff against Lee
Oswald came .... he had called her a liar, and said that she had
lied specifically to the Commission on six different occasions.
He then had to sit down with Warren and Johnson, and he finally
submitted to signing the thing, though he changed the preamble a
little bit. He then told me, and told any number of interviewers
and close friends for the rest of his days, that he was UTTERLY
convinced that this thing was a conspiracy: the killing of Kennedy.
                       (TO BE CONTINUED)
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    Transcribed by John DiNardo

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