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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Gaelic && The Celtic Society
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:27:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I am looking for information on the Celtic Society.

Also, if anyone has information on where to learn Gaelic in the SF Bay
Area, I'd love to know! 

Thanks!

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:51:51 GMT
	<laq7pjINNcku@news.bbn.com> <1992Sep8.223904.26061@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Sep10.154227.21769@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <ballan.716175201@csuvax1>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: ballan@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au's message of 11 Sep 92 01:33:21 GMT

In article <ballan.716175201@csuvax1> ballan@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Christina Ballantyne) writes:

   Can someone tell me what the 'English National Anthem' is?

There isn't one, they generally use the British National Anthem.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: ruairi@sy.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp (Ruairi.H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re:Couhig
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:07:20 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Fujitsu SSL Ltd. in ShinYokohama.


    The name COUHIG does mean "descendant of the victorious one" and
as has been suggested is found only in Munster.  The reason for this
variation on the name was due to local dialect of Gaelic.  The name
can be found in Cork, Tippereary and west Limerick.
   As an aside, the name McCuig, Armagh area, was anglicised to Fives
which has nothing to do with the meaning of the original name, but it
happened everywhere.
   I will be happy to answer any genealogical queries either through
the board or private mail.
   Hope this gets through as it's my first post.
                                             your sincerely
                                                Ru\airi\ O hI\ci\.





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From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem?  Is there one?
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:02:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223904.26061@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>In article <laq7pjINNcku@news.bbn.com> mbrennan@spcink.bbn.com (Maeve
>"One Pound" Brennan) writes:

>>I have no idea how proficient other nationalities are in singing
>>their national anthem, so I would find it difficult to make
>>comparisons.  I should think that Americans would be
>>pretty good in this respect.

>Except that the American anthem has about a four octave range, thus
>making it real difficult for a lot of professional vocalists, let
>alone the common folk.  Not the greatest tune for a national anthem!
>(Good for a lot of comedy at baseball games, etc. though) I should
>think that pretty much everybody knows the words to at least the first
>verse anyway (that is, pretty much all Americans).

>If anyone would be so good to post the lyrics for the Irish anthem,
>either in English or Irish, I would be much obliged.  I remember that
>some of the more popular pub bands in Galway would do it after their
>last song (and most everybody would stand up and sing along... in
>Irish), but I can't remember word one of it today.

>/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
>                       /               
>/'''   Kyle Wohlmut    -  'Heute back ich, morgen brau ich, und       
>c-OO                   /   uebermorgen hol ich mir der Koenigin ihr      
>   \   Rocking Pig     -   Kind.  Ach, wie gut dass niemand weiss,
>  -     Enterprises    /   dass ich kyle@csli.stanford.EDU heiss.'    
>                       -                                              
>-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-

I can only remember a few lines--not too shabby for an American, I guess.

Soldiers are we
Whose lives are pledged to Ireland.
Some have come
From the land beyond the waves.
Born to be free
___________ sireland
Will shelter the despot or the slave.

If no one else has the words, I'll copy from a tape and post them tomorrow.

Suzanne
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:09:07 GMT

In article <4017@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>From article <1992Sep4.170305.28830@octel.com>, by dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair):
>>>  Celts were *not* a racial group -- ethnicity is defined by language
>                                                               ^^^^^^^^
>not so sure about this as a general rule - the Jews of ancient
>Alexandria all spoke Greek, but regarded themselves as Jewish and were
>so regarded by others. I believe something similar may be true mutatis
>mutandis of the Chinese of Malaya
>
>>>and cultural values, not some vague genetic poppycock.
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>


	Andy, 
	I wrote none of the above. I did not know
	whose posts you are saying belong to me
	but all of the above was never written
	by me and to try and slander me this way
	is rediculous.
	Why are you posting other peoples work
	and saying that I said it.

	

-- 
_____________________________________________
Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
dfair@octel.com     "They're all small when 
standard disclaimer  They're blue." papa smurf 
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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:22:05 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:

>In referenced article, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
>>It still gets more of a cheer than the English nat
>>anthem.

>What exactly is that one then?

'God save the pope' or something. (The Scots and the Welsh seem to
have anthems of their own).
From: oconnell@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Kevin Patrick O'Connell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cockney slang or prison talk
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:00:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Sep15.081942.13112@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes...
> 
>The best book on London ways of speech is "The Muvver Tongue"
>by Robert Barltrop. Sorry, I haven't seen it around for some
>time, don't know if it's still in print, but Barltrop knows his
>stuff (he also writes a column in the "Newham Recorder", a
>newspaper that circulates in East London).
> 
>Matthew Huntbach


George Orwell also discusses it briefly in his book "Down and Out in 
Paris and London."

Kevin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Looking for Brehon Laws
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:57:20 GMT

Try this:

Author:        Kelly, Fergus.
Title:         A guide to early Irish law / by Fergus Kelly. Dublin : Dublin
                 Institute for Advanced Studies, 1988.

Description:   xxiv, 358 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
 
Series:        Early Irish law series ISSN: 0790-4657 ; v. 3.
 
Notes:         Includes bibliographical references.
 
Subjects:      Law -- Ireland -- History.
               Law -- Ireland -- Sources.


If your local university library doesn't have it, they can get it
through interlibrary loan.

(BTW, this record is from the UC online library catalog, melvyl.  It's
internet address is 31.0.0.13 - you can telnet to it.)

-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Scottish Gaelic newspaper "Uinneagan"
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:44:40 GMT


Please circulate widely

The third issue of the new Gaelic newspaper "Uinneagan" (=windows) has
just been published. This excellent development for Gaelic is well
worth a read. It's 16 A3 pages, and consists almost entirely of
Gaelic only articles with no translations. 

There is news, pictures, letters (from New Zealand and Germany), cartoons, 
adverts, book reviews, a story, and so on.

One item in the paper (book your accomodation now!) is that the 1995 Mod
will be in Golspie, just north of the Dornoch Firth and near the new Gaelic
learning centre "An Ceathramh"

Uinneagan costs one pound sterling per issue and is published four times
a year. To subscribe, or more more information on Scottish Gaelic, please
contact:

Comunn na Gaidhlig
5 Caolshraid Mhicheil
Inbhir Nis
Alba/ Scotland
IV2 3HQ

Comunn na Gaidhlig
5 Mitchell's Lane
Inverness
Scotland
IV2 3HQ


Fon/Phone +[44] (463) 234138       (0463) 234138
                   or 226472        
Facs/Fax  +[44] (463) 237470       (0463) 237470

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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 14:57:51 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: summer.

hey there.  i am an american, and have never been very far outside of the u.s.
however, i am considering going to ireland this summer and taking up residence
in a pub.  could someone tell me,

       a) a nice, friendly pub to waste my summer in;
       b) what else to do, on those rare occasions when i'm not in the pub;
       c) about how much money would get me comfortably through a summer
          in ireland; specifically, in an irish pub.


                                            thank you,

                                            bob vesterman
From: gbk@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Ire Arch/Contract
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:11:23 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

Objective:
Residental construction cost comparisons for Ireland
Architect vrs Building contractors:

READ ON - for my experience if interested - otherwise exit:


I purchased a site in Roscommon a year ago and plan to build a 
a ~ 2500 square foot home there. (~234.78m sq) as quoted.
There are ten other houses in this development that have been
built in the last 5 years. Some are approximately the same size.
I have a fair market value of the homes in this area based on
what has sold of recent and the asking price of those on the market.
One new home (that has never been lived in) has been on the market a year.
All are modern and very nice looking homes.

It now looks like it is going to cost me "considerable more" to build 
a similar house in the exact same area. (within 12 adjacent sites).
(~26 - 31,000 pounds more)

I have an architect that I have been working with and am very pleased
with the plans they have developed and the services they have offered.
I have a great deal of confidence that he will do a good job in design
and the construction services of my house.

I have inquired informally about cost per square foot or cost per square
meter (formally from my architect and informally from the man on the street). 

I will probably have to START construction of this house while working in
the US therefore I plan rely on this person to monitor construction.
(for additional percentage value of "final" cost of construction)
(Not to be included into loan.)

I have not talked to any contractors. My reasoning was that I felt I would
get a quality job and less headaches with an ARCHITECT. It has been 
up to now (after quote) that I have considered building contractors.

I would not be writing this if not for the fact that I am amazed at what I
view a large cost of construction. (currently 400 pounds per meter square
or by my calculation ~ 37 pounds/ft square)
This is quite an increase from numbers I INFORMALLY obtained last year. 
(20- 25 pounds per foot square)

I live in San Diego and a similar house would cost approximately $85-90
per square foot. After you add on the cost of the property you would
say, gee Gerry you are getting a pretty good deal. Well. all is relative.
Relative to the fact that I plan to relocate to Ireland and will have to
make payments based on my livelyhood there.

WANTED:
I would appreciate any comments that anyone may have relative to their 
experience/views on this subject.
From: charles@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (Dr. Charles Davie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: e IRISH SOCIETIES IN LONDON
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:36:12 GMT
Reply-To: charles@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.


CHARLIE
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mona (was Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:50:23 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Sep7.183644.28930@news.nd.edu>, by ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford):
> Eh?  When I studied Caesar in secondary school, Mona was translated as the
> Isle of Man.  Was my text wrong (or Caesar... he reckoned that it wouldn't
> get dark in the Norternmost regions of Britain, Caledonia, I guess, in the
> summer)?


Mona was definitely Anglesey. See, inter alia, Tacitus *Annals* 14.29 for Suetonius
Paulinus' expedition there just prior to Boadicea's rebellion. Caesar
did think that Mona was 1/2 way between Great Britain and Ireland, but
we need to remember he only got as far as Kent and was relying on
hearsay for his topographical details. You can easily see how this could
have led to Mona being displaced - old maps of Africa and America might
make good comparative material. A good place to chase this issue
is Rivet and Smith's *Place names of Roman Britain*. They argue, rightly
I think, that even Caesar meant Anglesey. Any one know the first
attested use of Mon in Welsh?

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mona (was Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:37:22 GMT
	<1992Sep7.091337.13949@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep7.183644.28930@news.nd.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu's message of 7 Sep 92 18:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.183644.28930@news.nd.edu> ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

   Eh?  When I studied Caesar in secondary school, Mona was translated as the
   Isle of Man.  Was my text wrong (or Caesar... he reckoned that it wouldn't
   get dark in the Norternmost regions of Britain, Caledonia, I guess, in the
   summer)?

Orkney and Shetland come pretty close to having daylight at midnight; I've
only been to Orkney myself but it has a gloomy half-light dusk for a few
hours at hight, with the sun just below the horizon.  Shetland is quite a way
further north, so even lighter in the summer.  Whether they counted as being
part of Britain or Caledonia at the time, I don't know...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.144441.8680@vax.oxford.ac.uk> halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair) writes:
>> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>[...]
>>>  -- Mi/cheal
>> 
>[...]
>> 	By the way trying to make a non celtic name celtic with
>> 	a / does not make you an expert.
>> -- 
>> _____________________________________________
>> Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
>> dfair@octel.com     "They're all small when 
>> standard disclaimer  They're blue." papa smurf 
>> ---------------------------------------------
>
>Being rude and ignorant on Usenet does not make you an asshole, though
>it may make people think so.
>
>It's very common in Ireland to use the Irish version of one's name.
>Mi/cheal (note the spelling difference as well as the accent) is the
>Irish version of Michael, and is every bit as Irish as Miguel is
>Spanish. 
>
>Brendan 
>
>
>Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
>Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
>Oxford OX1 1NF
>United Kingdom


	Brendan the use of vulgarity does nothing for your
	image either. The original poster Mi/cheal. Threw
	in a non-sequitor about sourcery and marauding
	celtics that had nothing to do with the original
	post and was slanderous in its claims.
	I threw his logic back at him indicating that
	he was propagating a fantasy to see what 
	reaction I got. It is obvious that you support
	the slander that others shell out but when the
	debate technique is returned you degenerate
	to vulgarity and post that vulgarity world wide.
	Perhaps no one has thought to show you how
	to use the r R and F f functions of read news.
	I don't mind if you wish to swear at me but you
	should consider the other readers who may not
	understand. I believe you owe them an apology. 
-- 
_____________________________________________
Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
dfair@octel.com     "They're all small when 
standard disclaimer  They're blue." papa smurf 
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From: dml@philabs.philips.com (Damian M. Lyons)
Subject: was Re: Celtic Cross now: celtic fantasists
Organization: Autonomous Systems, Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.113402.27151@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
>dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair) writes:
>>    ...stuff on origin of trinity.....
>
>I ask once again, why is it that the word "Celt" attracts so
>many nutty fantasists who have no grasp whatsoever of history
>as conventionally understood.
>
>Matthew Huntbach


Oh come on Matthew, stop beating that drum. Ignorance of the history
of `celtic' countries is rife, whatever the cause. Your one-man
campaign to brand anyone who's misinformed as a nutty fantasist ruins
what are otherwise highly informative postings.

As for nutty fantasists, just this weekend I just saw a bunch of grown
people pretending to be english knights jousting with each other. I
would argue that there ar no more and no less `celtic fantasists' then
there are `medieval knight fantasists' or `star-trek fantasists', etc.

I'm only guessing, mind you, but I'd say you pay more attention to
what you consider `celtic fantasists' because somewhere in your head
you maintain the equivalence:

        celtic fantasists == fodder for IRA fund-raising


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         Damian M. Lyons | x6444 | dml@philabs.philips.com       
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From: alexb@spock.retix.com (Alex Berg)
Subject: Sorry, this is a test !
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:41:37 GMT

--

Alex.


 +------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
 | Alexander Berg         |                                                 |
 | Retix                  |  President Bush:                                |
 | 2401 Colorado Ave.     |                                                 |
 | Santa Monica, CA 90404 |     Read my MIPS, No new VAXES !!!              |
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-- 

Alex.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re:  What Clan and What Tartan
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:11:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: downey@enh.nist.gov
>Matt,
>
>Will you please let people have some fun!  It's OK if someone wants
>to find out what tartan is "supposed to be" their family tartan.
>As Morna said, Ms. Bonham does not need (and IMHO does not deserve)
>your harsh words.  Why do you find it so difficult to let people
>make a connection with the past?

Because I am actually interested in REAL connections with the
past, not tarted-up romanticised versions. I am simply putting
my point of view in the interests of historical accuracy, it is
quite open for someone else to put the "fun" point of view in
the interests of the Scottish tourist industry.

Matthew Huntbach
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:42:27 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>In article <laq7pjINNcku@news.bbn.com> mbrennan@spcink.bbn.com (Maeve
>"One Pound" Brennan) writes:

>>I have no idea how proficient other nationalities are in singing
>>their national anthem, so I would find it difficult to make
>>comparisons.  I should think that Americans would be
>>pretty good in this respect.

>Except that the American anthem has about a four octave range, thus
>making it real difficult for a lot of professional vocalists, let
>alone the common folk.  Not the greatest tune for a national anthem!
>(Good for a lot of comedy at baseball games, etc. though) I should
>think that pretty much everybody knows the words to at least the first
>verse anyway (that is, pretty much all Americans).

>If anyone would be so good to post the lyrics for the Irish anthem,
>either in English or Irish, I would be much obliged.  I remember that
>some of the more popular pub bands in Galway would do it after their
>last song (and most everybody would stand up and sing along... in
>Irish), but I can't remember word one of it today.

This is also the practice in the Irish pubs in London. Depends on the
band (they dont all play it), but everyone in the pub gets up. (They
all got up when it was played before the Italy game in the World Cup
too.)

I have heard that the Celtic fans sing it in English, certainly my
impression is that singing the Gaelic words makes it less accessible
to many folk. It still gets more of a cheer than the English nat
anthem.
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