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From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What kind of paper was it?
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:50:38 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
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Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Apr4.191459.25559@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>
>Actually I myself doubt it very much that the Wu3-Mu4-I2-Su1 and 9-
>In1-Jen1-Ging1 were written in normal paper. I think they must be
>written on a special processed leather. Remember that in Ser4-Diew1-
>In1-Hsong2, May2-Chao1-Fong1 used her husband, Chen2-Shen2-Fong1's
>body leather to write the half part of 9-In1-Gen1-Ging1 they got 
>from Huang-Iaw4-Shih1? Which make sense though, I mean, those people
>knew for sure that the two weapons would have to be carried around
>under all kind of circumstances, such a smart woman like Huang2-Zong2
>must think of using a special-processed material for this purpose.
>

In the last volume of Yi3 Tian1 Tu2 Long1 Ji4, Jin Yong used the word
"Zhi3" to describe Wu3 Mu4 Yi2 Shu1. That is why I think it was 
written on paper. You may be right. It may not have been paper. Jin
may have chosen that word in the lack of other terms.

A minor correction. Mei Chao Feng did not write Jiu Ying Zheng Jing on
her husband's skin. It was her jusband who did that, not Mei.

Chou1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: Be like Scott!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:13:00 GMT

Come on people!  Let's not pick on little innocent Scott...he's
right!!  Everybody knows that Mao rules and that communism is the best political
system in the world!!  Also, everybody knows that Taiwan is not that important
in the world...it's so small...so poor...so rebellious...after all, we are only
the richest country in the world (US$76 bill.), the #2 maker of micro chips
in the world, #1 maker of computers monitors in the world, #1 maker of computer mouse in the world, #7 maker of computers in the world, #...#...#...the world 
will do just fine without us...oh, #1 major project market in the world 
(6-Year...), so Taiwan is very insignificant in the world...it doesn't even 
have an UN seat...not a GATT member...not a...not a...and not this...
...why is that huh?  Because we have nice people like Mr. Scott Horne in the
world to help us out...  Thank you very much Mr. Horne and thank you Deng and
thank you Mao and...and...and...LONG LIVE THE PRC!!!

Steve Chen
University of Illinois
From: chang@tkl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yaudong Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Fond memory of my college days.
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:44:23 GMT
Organization: Institute of industrial science, University of Tokyo
In-reply-to: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com's message of 17 Apr 92 05:46:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.044534.28135@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com writes:

 tsai >I do have some fond memory of my college days, and that is "May2-Jwu2-
 tsai >Sai4" between Jau1-Da4 and Chin1-Hwa2. 

Mr. Tsai, you got my old memory of college days, too.
"May2-Jwu2-Sai4" is the contest between NCTU and NTHU every year.
But in my NCTU days, only one time held on 1983, the next year 1984,
1985, 1986 did not held due to "unknown reason". Does the "May2-Jwu-Sai4"
still exist now ?


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				2nd. grade of Doctoral Course
  Give Peace a Chance           chang@tkl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
       --John Lennon            3 Dept. Takagi Lab.
				Industrial Institute of Science
				Univ. of Tokyo.
From: hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ++++The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:42 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr9.054829.23222@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu+ scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 ) writes:
+*Raises his hand to Scott's question*
+I think so...well, put it this way...face the reality or stay with the thought
+that says "Hmmm...they (ROC gov't) have done a pretty good job telling the 
+whole world about its great achievements...even an 18 year-old like me knows
+it...hmmm......"  Are you still living in the 50s??!  Huh?
+
+Steve Chen
+University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

For a guy said 3-day umbralla, 4-hour fan about Taiwan, what you can 
expect about his knowlogy about Taiwan.
Scott, you have not answer my question asked long time ago.
Here it is again.
Please explain the following terms about Taiwan.
gan1 zhe4
jia1 jong1 chu1 kuo3 qu1
xin1 zhu2 ke1 xu2 yuan2 qu1
For a guy claiming he knows Taiwan, it is a really simple question.
If you cannot answer, I really think that you are about five years old
as far as knowing Taiwan is concerned.
One suggestion for you, next time you'd better say 5-day PC, 3-week 
scanner about Taiwan. It is more convincing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: An example (was: Re: ++++The Six-Year.....)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:55:37 GMT

In article <12262@tamsun.tamu.edu> tchung@cs.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
>
>How much do you know about IC industry?
>Are you EE major?
>Have you been to a IC factory?
>How much do you know about 'cleaan room'?
>Make sure know the above questions before you post this kind of article.
>

	My undergard. major is control, I don't know much about IC industry
	in Taiwan. Let me give you my experience as an example.

	Before I came to Canada, I used to work in a mid-size power system
	company. They make uninterruptable power systems. There are about 
	500~ employees in the company. I was an electrical engineer in R&D
	dept. The company spend around 12% net income as R&D budget every
	year and they have the most efficient on-line UPS of PC and 
	workstations in the world. The R&D dept. has about 30~ engineers 
	and most of them are B.A.Sc. degree and M.A.Sc. degree. The company
	sell it's stock to their employees in a very low rate and expects
	to become one of the top ten UPS companies in the world in ten years.
	They devoloped all their technics themselves in that company and
	they are proud of it as well.

	Since I have lots undergrad. classmates currently working in companies
	in Taiwan, I know from chatting that this example is pretty common 
	now in Taiwan. There are lots companies there really doing R&D and 
	have their own technics....


	Paul

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: infiniti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Chung-Yih Lee)
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 01:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.084512.2920@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>	** There are tons of facts described in the Central Daily.

	There are tons of facts in the Pravda, too. And in the People's Daily.
And in the National Enquirer.
	Of course the KMT Central Daily supports whatever the KMT wants it to
say.
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "orthodox" Hakka dialect in Taiwan?
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Apr6Mo161512n.Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM> Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM writes:
>>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 12:33:59 GMT, bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) said:
>
>Chou1> Comrade Hsieh, let me ask you a question. Is there a Hakka
>Chou1> dialect which is considered as the ORTHODOX Hakka?
>
>Harkin's 1975 textbook "Hakka One" (Maryknoll, P.O.B. 149, Taichung,
>Taiwan.  No tape available) says "Miaoli Hakka is the most common [in
>Taiwan]".  "It is the closest to Mei2Xian4 (city in Guang3Dong1
>province) Hakka.  [it is also called Si4Xian4 ('4 counties') Hakka].
>
>Other books and tapes take Si4Xian4 as standard.  However ChungHsing
>Univ. (Taichung) Zhong1wen2xi4 professor Chen2 Yong3Bao3 treats
>Hai3Lu4 (name from 2 cities on the eastern Guang3Dong1 coast,
>Hai3Feng1 and Lu4Feng1) Hakka and Si4Xian4 Hakka equally in his
>publications.

Thanks for the information. I think I did not make my question clear.
When I asked about the orthodox Hakka, I meant the one Hakka among all
the Hakka dialects, not just limited to those spoken in Taiwan.

I was told that the Hakka spoken in Guang3 Dong1 Yao2 Ping2 (Yao2 Ping2 
Hakka) was the orthodox Hakka. However, not many Hakka in Taiwan can
understand it, not mentioning speaking it.

Chou1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wtchien@IASTATE.EDU (Wei-Ting K Chien)
Subject: TopOfTaiwan0327
Keywords: News
Reply-To: wtchien@IASTATE.EDU (Wei-Ting K Chien)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:19:11 GMT


*******Source from Independence Weekly Post March 27th ******

Economics---
 * March 17: Having deficit for several years, the Taiwan Sugar(Tai2 Tang2) 
	     company will change its land-sale policy. The difference is: it
	     sold land to individuals before; from now on, it will sell land
	     only for the Six-Year-Project or for small area construction;
	     it will not sell huge land as it did before.
 * March 17: Traffic budget is only used less than 0.04% this year.(NT$2.1 
	     million out of NT$55.8 billion.) 
	       
Politics---
 * March 18: KMT said that next year is a better time to discuss the method
	     for President election.
 * March 19: DPP members in Gua2 Min2 Da4 Hui4 add Taiwan after R.O.C. and use
	     1992(instead of Min2 Guo2 81) in the pledge. Some of them yelled
	     "Long life the R.O.T." after the pledge. The authorities said the
             effectiveness of the pledge will be determined by the Grand Judge.
 * March 20: The first meeting of the second Gua2 Min2 Da4 Hui4 is held in 
	     Taipei and will be end on May 18.  
 * March 20: Over 500 people gather for the demonstration by 100AU to ask for 
	     the abandon of Shing2-Fa3 #100. 

Social---
 * March 16: According to several reports about the illegal aboard to the States
the help of Taiwan fishing boats, 
             Taiwan and U.S. police unite now to deal with this matter.
 * March 16: The Department of National Defense plan to cooperate with the Labor
             committee that new soldiers will be distributed according to his
	     specialties in three years.
 * March 19: It's estimated that everyone in Taiwan will receive more than 25 
	     injections in his(her) life.
 * March 19: President Lee inaugurate the beginning of the 3rd year of Taiwan
	     professional baseball league.

Culture---
 * March 17: There will be 32 new departments next new school year. It's 
	     estimated that 3,600 more seats will be opened for the examinees. 
 * March 20: Taipei will be the first place in Taiwan to cancel the entrance
	     exam for senior high school.

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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: State vs. Nation (Was Re: advice to Mr. Joe Wang)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 19:45:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

Luc Bauwens writes:

>> >So, I checked my sources, and I am told,by a 
>> >person who is familiar with the issues involved, that the 
>> >proper translation for "Country" is Guo, while for 
>> >"Nation", it is something like "Mi2Zu2" (???). 
>> >Luc B. 

Just to cloud the issue some more, I like to throw into the
discussion another term nobody has mentioned so far: guo2jia1. 

From my understanding, min2zu3 is a strictly ethnic term 
corresponding to "race" or nationality" in English, not
"nation". Guo2, on the other hand, is an old word for a kingdom 
or a regime (the ideograph is literally that of a soldier holding 
a spear guarding a walled city). Historically, guo2 referred
to the ruler, and not the ethnic composition of his subjects. 
Thus, there were three guo2, all Chinese by modern reckoning,
during the Three Kingdoms period, and as many as ten guo2 
in southern China alone during the Five Dynasties period.

When the Chinese and Japanese were introduced to the
Western concept of nationalism in the 19th century, someone
coined a new term guo2jia1 (lit., kingdom-family) to express the
new idea of a "nation" with both political and ethnic qualities.
 
Joe Huang
From: chang@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Fengteng Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Some thoughts about Huang Shun Xin
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:23:54 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Apr7.145511.21018@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>1. When Huang failed to get reelected in 1983, he fired his voters
>   and moved to a different customer base.  I cannot agree with
>   that.  If he was really catering to the people he should modify
>   his ideal to meet people's need, not the other way around.

Although I disagree with him, I still respect him much.
He is one of the pro-unification-er I respect.
When he was a legislator in Taiwan, he is one of the best legislator
to speak out for farmers.
He wished for unification and he had gut to go to Beijing to be
involved in China's reform.
Most of the pro-unification leftists in Taiwan are sitting in a cafe
and talking about Marxism and unification.
He, unlike others, choose actions.


Fengteng
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Junior High
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

> Give me a break, would you? :-)
> In my class, 15 were from Da4 Tong2, 8 were from Wan4 Hua2 Zhong1
> Xue2, 6 were from Cheng2 Yuan1, 4 were from Da4 An1, and many
> others were from Miao2 Li4, Xin1 Zhu2, Tai2 Zhong1, Tai2 Nan2.
> I remember those numbers because in those days, the student
> ID number was arranged based on the schools where one was from
> (e.g., the Datong'ers would be 1-15, Wanhua'ers would be 16-23,
> etc.).
> 
> I also remember those days when we Taipei'ers fought with those
> "Xia4 Gang3 Ren2" (Lower-port people) in the class room. :-) We
> would also make fun of each other's accent, both the accents of
> Minanese and Madarin. :-)
> 
> >One more question for "young" Jian4-Zhon1-ers:  Do you guys still
> >have your high school initiation ceremony/training held in Bei3-Yau1's
> >Musical Hall like we did, gee, about twenty/fifteen year ago ?
> 
> When did this ever become a tradition? The orientation ceremony
> in Taipei's First Girl's High? No way! In my days, it was held in
> the "Huang2 Sa1 Gun3 Gun3" (yellow-sand) court of Jian4 Zhong1.
> 
> I remember those days in "Hong2 Lou2" (Red Chamber) where we had
> our "Hong2 Lou2 Meng4" (The dream of red chamber). I also
> remember the "Ming2 Dao4 Lou2" (Mingdao building) (Zheng4 Qi2
> Xin1 Bu2 Ji4 Qi2 Li4 [?] and Ming2 Qi2 Dao4 Bu2 Ji4 Qi2 Gong1),
> and the Wooden building (Mu4 Lou2) which was so dangerous and
> eventually had to be torn down.
> 
> Ah, those good old days.
> 
> 
> -James Ou
> A boy who was born and brought up in M'ang Ga in Taipei and who
> went to Wan4 Hua2 Chu1 Zhong1 and Jian4 Zhong1 and married a
> graduate of Bei3 Yi1 Nyu3. :-)

This is fun. Ha.... Looking at these purebred dogs' bowwows.
Is this the result of the good education system under R.O.C?


/* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 *
 * Take care and have a nice day.
 *
 * Ter-Yuan Lee
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: NON-POLITICAL Gin1 Young's novels
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.025924.23241@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.105132.12706@leland.Stanford.EDU> infiniti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Chung-Yih Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar31.155117.4204@umbc3.umbc.edu> wangs@sol.engr.umbc.edu (Shawe-Shiuan Wang) writes:
>>
>>>Which dynasty was 'Shiou4 Our4 Jiang1 Hoo2(lake)' in ?
>>>Gin Young himself said this novel does not belong to any dynasty.
>>>Well, I don't believe him. We can find some clues in the novel.
>>
>>	I haven't read the novel for quite a period of time and I don't quite
>>remember details... however, as I remember, Jang1 San1 Fong1's
>>Wu3 Dang1 Pai4, which was founded in the late Yuan Dynasty/early Ming Dynasty
>
>Do Zhang San Feng and Wu Dang Pai appear in Xiao Au Jiang Hu? Perhaps you
>are thinking about Yi3 Tian1 Tu2 Long2 Ji4?
>
>Chou1

	Wu3-Dang1 Pai4 indeed shows up in Shiao4-Au4-Jiang1-Hu2. Remember
	that Ling4-Hu3-Tsong1 fought with this master of Chinese Taichi
	fence when he led whole bunch of people to Shao4-Lin2 temple to
	rescue Ing2-Ing2. That master is the leader of Wu3-Dang1 Pai4--
	Ching1-Hsui1-Dau4-Chang3.

	I think Shiao4-Au4-Jiang1-Hu2 happened in Ming Dynasty. The reason
	is the following:

	1. Ling4 knocked down a general and weared the general's costume
	which is a Ming general's costume.
	2. According to the story, people in that story didn't grow their
	hair. So it can't be Ching.
	3. Sun Moon Sun2-Giau4 is actually Ming2-Giau4, but after Ming
	was founded, they changed their name but still be treated as
	evil Giau4.

	Paul

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From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gin Jong fans' chellenge!! (was Re: The Six-Year National ...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:12:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: watserv1.1992Apr10.191242.18843
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Apr10.132438.9897@cs.dal.ca> xwang@ug.cs.dal.ca (Roland (Xinlei) Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr09.193512.31616@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>>In  <1992Apr9.125027.13109@cbfsb.cb.att.com>  ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>>      In addition, many roles in Gin Jong's novels have been projected
>>>      to many politicans in recent history. Are there any one who want
>>>      to do this for any well-known people today? To have more fun out
>>>      of this, don't restrict yourselves to Chinese/Taiwanese (e.g, is
>>>      there any role similar to Edward Kennedy?).
>>>  
>>Let me try the following:
>> 
>>CHARACTERS                       NOVEL TITLE             PROJECTION
>>Shing1 Su4 Law3 Gwai4            Tien1 Long2 8 Bu4       Mao Tse-Dung
>>Shing1 Su4's students            Tien1 Long2 8 Bu4       Red Guards
>>Dong1 Fung1 Bu2 Bai4             Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Mao in his late age
>>Yang2 Lien2 Ting2                Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Jiang1 Ching1 (Mao's wife)
>>Tzuo3 (left) Leng3 (cold) Chan2  Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   CKS
>>Yue4 Bu4 Chun2                   Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Deng4 Shiaw3 Ping2           
>I know you have read a lot of Gin Jong's ( am I spelling right? :-) novel,
>but you really haven't know much about Chinese history, especially recent 
>history in mainland China, so don't be too confidence of what you are told
>in Taiwan, Hongkong, or somewhere else.
>
	
	After I came over here and talked with some friends from mainland,
	I realized that we don't really know the whole situation there.
	Lots of news we heard weren't exactly true. But the thing is that
	NOBODY wants to go there and find out the truth, not even you
	people from there. Further more, what is truth anyways? Do you
	think that what you know is exactly true even though you are from
	that place? Sorry, no intention of offence.

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From: shihtsun@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shih-tsun Alex Chou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:44:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.133736.6015%ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Brian the Midnight Rider) writes:
>
>     It was the 45th anniversary of the Affiliated Senior High School
>of the National Taiwan Normal University on Apr 12.



                       What a glorious day !!



Alex Chou, H480, HSNU
EE, Purdue University
From: hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:29:51 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr14.100425.2943@vax.muskingum.edu+ ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
+In article <1992Apr13.202045.22500@watserv1.waterloo.edu+, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
++ 
++ 	Greeting for the big day! And thanks, HSNU (the senior high
++ 	school of National Taiwan Normal University), for giving me
++ 	the best high school life I could get in Taiwan.....
++ 
++ 	Paul T.Y. Shih (H472)
+
+
+	** Hay, I think Jian Guo Zhon Hsieh is better than HSNU.
+	   People from Jian Zhon should have a better high school
+	   life. Shouldn't it? 

Eric, you are absolutely right.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:23:25 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr14.191044.269@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
> 	
> 	Nope, Jian4-Zhon1 might have more hard-studying students,
> 	more acadamical reputation, but HSNU is good at uniformly
> 	devoloping students' personality, skills, maturity. I am
> 	proud of being part of it.
> 

	** At my time, there were excellent school like Jian Zhon.
	   "good" school like HSNU. But there were also "pretty bad"
	   school like ??????. Those bad school produced nothing but
	   some people later on demonstrating on streets (for DPP?)

	   Let me ask you: should someone from those bad schools also
	   have reasons to be proud of?  Some of them might be a
	   successful business man now. They would say: what's good
	   for students from HSNU or Jian Zhon? They are only book
	   worms.   
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