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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: rush
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:13:55 GMT
Keywords: hello

In article <Bvo2Ay.3Lz@andy.bgsu.edu> fa-rt451@andy.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>Hello Rush fans!!!  I just subscribed and wanted to make sure I could
>connect through.  In response to the fellow looking for more trivia, do
>you know the name of the original drummer?  (insert Jeopardy theme bed)
>Good Luck.

John Rutsey, left to pursue other interests (was getting bored?) and is
a bodybuilder...

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From: skipdaly@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Scott David Daly)
Subject: Re:new album
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:05:58 GMT


Hello.

	For anyone interested:

	Work on the new album WAS due to start in November.  I have just  
heard from a reliable source (J. Lang) that the beginning of work has been  
pushed back to January or February due to Neil's deciding to take  
(another) trip to Africa!

	(the nerve of him!...)

						Skip
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:37:11 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: RTB drumming

Am I the only one who thinks that "Heresy" has the best drumming on RTB?

That's damn good drumming, if you ask me!

"I don't know how we got this super-serious image, we must've worn too many
robes in the seventies."  Geddy Lee

Mike
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 pick up my broken heart." MARILLION 'That        Yoda, Jedi Master
 Time of the Night' _Clutching at Straws_
                                                  "I feel lost in the
"I know you're different, you know I'm the         city." YES 'Heart of
 same" RUSH 'Second Nature' _Hold Your Fire_       the Sunrise' _Fragile_

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From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:59:00 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

It's been some time since I have posted to this and the reason is, I think 
is because I find it sooo humerous to read, but finally I will put my two 
cents in.  Before I do that though, let me go on the record that contrary 
to what you are about to read, I am a die-hard Rush fan who was born and 
raised as a fanatic, bout all the albums, picked up some bootlegs, keep 
magazine articles, and of course went to their shows.  Since then, I have 
come to a realization, in concert, Rush is old, and almost, dare I say, 
boring.
I have noticed that in the last two shows I went to (one of which was 
front-row, six seats off center in front of Geddy) the band doesn't seem to 
carry the energy they once had.  It's the same every time, same bouncing 
bunnies, same laser show, same "Thank you, good night, hope to see you 
again."  This isn't to say that I don't enjoy the concerts, but when 
compared to other bands, Rush simply doesn't have the same energy.  Perhaps 
it's because they have played their music so often it is no longer 
challenging and intersting.  I know they don't want to present this 
impression, because I know they want to give people their money's worth (or 
at least that's what they say), but they don't seem to have the same 
showmanship.  One of my friends, (a non-Rush fan) gave me his impression of 
the show: "They stand on stage twanging their insurments and then one of 
them goes over to the other side of the stage and twangs for a little 
while, then the other goes over to the other side and twangs for a while, 
and then sometimes they even move around and twang together!"  Insulting, I 
know, but as I watched them the next time, I found myself thinking, "That's 
reasonably correct."  It seems that Rush lacks much of the showmanship and 
intensity of other bands, particularly their opening acts.  The only time 
they display this intensity is during their encores.  Really though, 
who is to blame them, I would get old going from city to city playing the 
same thing over and over--most people get tired of their 
day-to-day-run-of-the-mill-nine-to-five and Alex, Geddy, and Neil shouldn't 
be any exception.  
Indeed, I do love the band.  I still get every new album that comes down 
the line.  I feel their new material displays maturity and 
precision, but I hope that with the next album, Rush decides not to tour, 
lets the intensity build up inside them to the point where they can't wait to 
play, and then comes back in a couple years to just play the hell out of 
shows--otherwise I fear they will spread themselves even thinner.
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<Bv9C8w.GqC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Sep29.223421.26179@cc.umontreal.ca>
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:34:24

In article <1992Sep29.223421.26179@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:

   a music scene that is not all that hot.  The only real action we are
   seeing right now is bands that are breaking out from the alternative
   scene onto mainstream charts (Nirvana, The Cure, etc.) and a resurgence

Would you please define the term "alternative"? I've never heard any
The Cure songs, but many "alternative" bands such as Nirvana and REM
sound horribly typical and medicore to me; there's nothing "alternative"
about them. 
I agree with you: the music scene is rather dead right now. But at least
Peter Gabriel is still alive. And there are two or three bands in Finland
that I'm more interested about right now than about Rush, for example. 


--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: GEN4073@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (STEPHEN BECKETT)
Subject: RE:  RTB Rap
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:20:07 GMT
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I just don't understand why they put that rap section in RTB.  It really
defaces the song.  It's a cool song, with a cool video, EXCEPT for that (c)rap
part.  ARGH!  It's just so disappointing.  Oh well, at least their older stuff
still remains as some of the most brilliant music ever created.
  
<--SHADOWHAWK-->
"I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate.
Are the liberators here?  Do I hope or do I fear?"
From: worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael A Worth)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: re:pentagram, nudeman
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:29:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Sorry to disappoint y'all, but the star has nothing to do with Satan. According to Neil (in his interview in Rush, "Visions", so it is fact) Neil states that
the image first came up on the cover of 2112. The naked man is supposed to be the hero of the song "2112', while the pentagram  is supposed to represent
the evil red star of the Solar Federation. Neil said he liked the idea of the
man warding off the star, kinda the Ayn Rand, "individual against society in
a futuristic setting." Read the rush interview, "visions" for further info.


Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:25:48 GMT

In article <uslave.717620277@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
>In <1686F9534.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>
>>thoughtful tunes like Freewill and The Spirit of the Radio [note--THE Radio--
>>ethan]. 
>
>What is the significance of this nitpick?  I've seen it called "The Spirit of
>Radio" and "Spirit of the Radio".  My copy of "Permanent Waves" says "The
>Spirit of Radio", while in a magazine article (interview with Geddy in Guitar
>I believe) Geddy called it "Spirit of the Radio".  So what's the big deal?  I
>personally call it by what it says on my PW album, but why should you insist
>that it's called one thing and not another when even the band members have
>called it both at one time or another?


I think I heard from someone somewhere that the printers messed up on the 
second pressing of PermWaves and accidently titled the song "Spirit of the 
Radio."  The title of the song actually has a significance  beyond the 
superficial.  The song is about the institution of Rock Radio, not the machine.
So, althoght it is a nitpick, Ethan was right.....
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: wsaker01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Willard S. Akers)
Subject: Re: Rush trivia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:34:30 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I also have the Rock n Roll comic book.  I have no idea if Geddy's real
name is correct or not.  I did find some other mistakes, however.  When 
they showed them signing their first contract Neil was using his right 
hand.  They also showed a picture of Alex once when they were supposed
to have shown Neil.

Not looking back, but I want to look around me now.
- Neil Peart
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: 2112, and homage
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:07:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> 
> I think I heard from someone somewhere that the printers messed up on the 
> second pressing of PermWaves and accidently titled the song "Spirit of the 
> Radio."  The title of the song actually has a significance  beyond the 
> superficial.  The song is about the institution of Rock Radio, not the machine.
> So, althoght it is a nitpick, Ethan was right.....
> -- 
> *******************************************************************************
> * "Those who know what's Best for Us Must Rise and Save Us From Ourselves"    *
> *  c-amin1@uiuc.edu  Go Illini, Tarheels, Cowboys, Orioles, Capitals!!!!!!!!!!*
> **********Chintan Amin**************University of Illiois, Urbana/Champaign****


	All hail, Chintan Amin, for thou has posted message #2112 to 
my alt.music.rush mailer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I bow down before thee,
reverencing your mystical accomplishment.


	We now return you to your regularly scheduled Rush flames/fanaticism.


Thomas Beaudoin
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:35:47 -0400 
From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: More on the convention

I've been getting some response on the NMS/Rush convention, but far far
less than I expected...
So far I've only gotten like 10 postcards...

If you want this thing to happen.... PLEASE send me a postcard (via snail mail)
since it's easier for me than email. Include your name, phone, email
address, suggestions, dates that are good, and any feedback on the
convention.
Send to:
	John Santore
	1071 Morewood Ave.
	Pittsburgh, PA 15213

I'll try and organize some sort of convention, but I need interest....
I'm using the postcards as a reference guide to how many people are
interested, to estimate costs, and logistics....if you even have a
remote interest please send one....  If I don't get a bigger response
soon, I'm just going to write it off....

				Thanks-
					John Santore
					

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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:32:24 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Gregg,

Are you a sucker for flame bait, or what.  I seem to remember having quoted you
in several instances in my rebuttals, you just won't let this die will 'ya.

Obviously you skimmed through my posts, selectively reading on your part, so
don't point the finger if it's a dirty as you claim mine to be.

'Nuff said, I'm getting tired of dealing with your pathetic drivel, Gregg,
let's get back to having some fun, which is what this news group is all
about.

Sheesh, some people have no sense of humour.
_________________________________
Why are we here,
Because we're here,
Pass the peas!
__________________________________
Chris in Montreal
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Who did Geddy Mean?!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:22:53 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


I have a question. I was listening to an interview with Geddy from
1985 (just after the release of Power Windows) and Ged is talking about
the boy on the cover of the album. He describes the boy as a `Billy
Bivett(sp?)-type character'. Does anyone have any idea who this `Billy
Bivett' (or something that sounds similar to that) is?

Thanks in advance!


Gregg
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (James R Lendino)
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Reply-To: jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (James R Lendino)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:17:24 GMT

In article <BvHE8o.3Dt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
>
>>In <1992Sep30.185705.580@eng.umd.edu> cfynx@eng.umd.edu (Sridhar P. Rao) writes:ly>
>>I dunno.  I don't think the drum part for The Big Money is all that hard
>>either.  It's pretty creative, but not difficult.  I think the older stuff
>>is generally better......Hemispheres, La Villa Strangiato, Natural Science,
>>etc.
>
>Just a little note here.  I am a drummer and I think Natural Science is not
>that hard to play.  To me Tom Sawyer is pretty hard, because his right hand
>is moving pretty fast.  I remember Neil saying in an interview that he always
>looked forward to playing Tom Sawyer in concert, because he feels that it's
>hard to play, and it is like a test for him to see if he hasn't "lost it".
>Also the end od Barchetta is hard with his right hand on the ride 
>cymbal.  I can't get mine to go that fast!  :)
>
   I've been a drummer for about 9 months now.  Seeing Rush in
concert last year inspired me to finally do what I've always wanted
to do: learn to play drums.  Even better, learn to play like him!  :-)

   Natural Science *is* a pretty tough song to play.  He uses
7/8 for a lot of the song, but his fills extend the 7/8 measure a
few more beats before he hits his crash.  That's not exactly a
cakewalk to keep track of.  Conversely, I think that Tom Sawyer is
not that bad (well, except for that little sequence in the middle
where he goes off and leaves me completely in the dust).  It gets
tough towards the end where Geddy sings "He knows changes aren't
permanent - but change is."  Neil starts playing the ride again
like he did before, but he adds in several extra offbeat snare hits
and some doublebass stuff (which is a lot of fun to try and do
with one bass drum and one pedal) :-).  

   I also find 2112 to be difficult to AIR DRUM to, much less play.
(The first four minutes or so).  For a 1976 recording, his drums
sound exceptionally clean.  Neil Peart, the living breathing
drum machine!

-JRL
jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (No One At The Bridge)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Help with live Rush
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:13:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Bv5Io5.8r@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>Hello.  I'm in the process of putting together a ballot for a LIVE
>Rush poll, similar to the one I already have going for the studio
>releases.
>I need to know which performances on video are exactly the same performances
>recorded on the albums.  I checked the FAQ but did not find this info.
>I believe these are correct:
>
>Between ESL video and ESL album:
>
>Tom Sawyer - different                 
>Red Barchetta (ESL video) = Red Barchetta (ESL album)
>Xanadu - different
>Trees - different
>Closer to the Heart - different
>Freewill - different
>Spirit of Radio - different
>
>No performances on A Show of Hands (Video) are the same as on ASOH (album).
>
>I would appreciate if someone could add to and/or correct this information 
>for me.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Don
>
>-- 
>Don Dianetti  --  SUNY at Buffalo  --  dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu
>----------------------------------------------------------------
 I also went out and rented the Exit Stage Left video, to notice if any
of the songs were the same as the ones on the CD. Only Red Barchetta was.
A big disapointment .     
	angelboy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
"I bring Love to give you solace in the darkness of the night " - Hemispheres
From: pompf00@DMI.USherb.CA (FRANCOIS POMPEO)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rupert Heine
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:31:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique


	Pour repondre a Gregg et Chris a propos de l'influence de M. Rupert!!

Selon moi c'est un fait, Rupert Heine a eu une influence trop prononcee.
Parcontre sans etre totalement negative. Dans certaine pieces Rush a attein
l'objectif de diminuer l'intensite des claviers et "sequencers" etc.
Les instruments de base ont beaucoup plus de frappe dans Presto que 
Power Windows ou meme Hold your fire. Biensur ne comparons pas aux Chef-d'Oeuvres tels que Moving Pictures ou bien 2112.

Je crois que lorsque Rush affirme vouloir retourner a des bases avec les 
instruments classiques, ils font cette declaration en comparant a Grace under
pressure, Power Windows et Hold your Fire. Et il est vrai que ces albums ont
une exageration point de vue sequencers et claviers (sans etre de mauvais albums).

Mais il est vrai que certaines pieces de Roll the Bones et Presto ont une influence populaire beaucoup trop grande. Mais dans certains des interviews que j'ai pu lire, ils indiquaient clairement qu'ils se developpent comme tout organisme vivant se developpe. Ainsi il serait absurde de leur demander de revenir en arriere et developper des chansons type 2112, Xanadu ou ... (soupir!) La Villa Strangiato. Ceux qui aiment que ce genre, qu'ils ecoutent ces albums c'est tout!

					Salut, Francois!
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 21:40:48 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

So what's the Phil Collins trick? :-)

                          --The Vortex Wonders... 
                          But does she really wanna know? :-)
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush fan speaks
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 21:18:28 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> Clinton, if that means anything).  I'm EE major with a minor in Music
> History, so I have formed somewhat educated _opinions_ of music from all

And most of the 'artists' here say great things about Voice of Fire, too.   ;-)

(Canuk Joke)

Take care,
Eric

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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Live Poll Results
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:28:33 GMT
Organization: UB

As of now (10/5/92) there aren't really enough votes in to make
the results of the Live Poll worthwhile.  So I've re-posted the 
ballot in the follow-up and we'll try for next week.  
Thanks to those who took the time to respond.
Later. 
-- 
Don Dianetti  --  SUNY at Buffalo  --  dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Summary: Heresyyy
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:19:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Tero, I respect your right to dislike Heresy, but that is the one song off
of RTB that really sent chills down my back.  Granted, I have a biased
interest because I'm a graduate student studying primarily Russian and
East European politics, particularly the disintegration of Communist systems.
I _don't_ expect Neil to have in-depth knowledge of the subject; indeed,
the eloquence of some of the lyrics would lose their effect if he tried to
convey that. Nonetheless, I would point you in the direction of books such
as Timothy Garton Ash's The Uses of Adversity, also same author, The Magic
Lantern, as well as some (but certainly not all) of the works of Vaclav 
Havel.  Toss in Czeslaw Milosz's book, The CAptive Mind. _Then_ take a
good hard look at some of the pain, terror and psychological division
that penetrates to the heart of many East Europeans and citizens of the
former Soviet Union, and listen to Heresy in that respect.

Not being a drummer, I can't comment on Neil's technique except to say
that his phrasing says a tremendous amount to me. Very musical, it is.
Especially the transition from the ominous toms to the martial rhythm 
on the snare at the outro of the song...
Frank Sellin
P.S. What does it say about us when the lyrics ask, Do we have to be
forgiving at last/ Yes, I _guess_ we do?  (The answer to that rhetorical
question is fairly self-evident, methinks...)
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