HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Quick question about PB160 RAM
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:59:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu


In a previous article I wrote:
>At least
>with the 230 duo, apple allows the user to install the memory without
>invalidating the warrenty.

Hades answered:
|    They do? Since when? The only thing that Apple has ever let the user
| install is the PDS/NuBus adaptor for the IIsi. You weren't even able to
| install the expansion card once you had installed the adaptor. Nothing
| that might be in danger from a static discharge is "officially"
| installable by a non-lisenced Apple Tech. And since you can't open the
| normal Powerbooks without voiding the warranty you can bet your life
| that Apple won't allow you to open the ultra-new ultra-small Duos.

From the Apple Resource Guide, Technical Information supplied with the
literature that came with my 230 duo:

RAM configurations
All models ship with 4 MB.  Additional RAM, up to  24 MB, can be installed
by means of a memory expansion card.  RAM chips must be rated at 70 ns
access time or faster.

Important:  Don't attempt to install your own RAM card unless you are
comfortable working with electronic equipment.  Insallation instructions
are provided with Apple's RAM cards for people who want to install the
car themselves.  If you don't want to install your own car, any authorized
Apple dealer or service provider can install it for you.

Warning:  Opening the computer's case for any purpose other than to install
a RAM card will void your warranty.  Do not modify any other componenets
or attempt to repair the computer yourself.

..........

So it appears that the owner of a duo can install memory... but
can not install the express modem.

Jose
pino@eecs.Berkeley.EDU
From: fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PB Back Door
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:53:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm on my third PowerBook door.  Call (800) SOS-APPLE and complain
(politely).  They'll mail you a new one.

...fleming@cup.portal.com
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Pers. LW NT Questions
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:06:56 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu> writes:

> seth@physc1.byu.edu writes:

> >2) I know that it has 2 meg of RAM on its board. The simms used look like 
> >ordinary simms. Will the printer use more memory if bigger simms are put in
> >instead? 

> Are they indeed the same simms that you can put in any Mac, or they still
> those
> annoying simms that Apple was putting in earlier models of Laserwriters?
> And, as
> Seth asks, what sort of memory configurations will the Personal
> LaserWriter NT accept?

The Personal LaserWriter NT can be configured two ways: using 1 Mb SIMMs,
for a total of 2 Mb of memory, or using 4 Mb SIMMs, for a total of 8 Mb.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: genrad@philmtl.philips.ca (Genrad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: * Help * with Mac Plus
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:43:20 GMT
Organization: Philips Electronics Limited, St. Laurent QC, Canada

Hello,

	I have been given a Mac+, 1MB Ram, no HD. This mac doesn't work. It does power up, but I don't get any normal Mac display. It gives me 4-6
very wide white bars on a black background. After a short period of time, it
gets some black specks in the white bars, and makes some noise like a power
saw cutting through a 2X4. I have the following questions:

	1- When I was first given this, one of the SIMM sockets was broken. 
	Because my place of work produces PCs, we had the equipment to
	replace it and I did. Is there any possibility that some of the
	traces going to the memory module were damaged? Can anybody give
	me a pin-out of the Simm socket (ie Simm module pin X goes to IC 
        A pin B, etc.)?

	2- If it is nescessay to replace the logic board, can I use an SE
	logic board instead of the Mac Plus motherboard, and gain a slot 
	in the process? Shreve systems charges the same for a Mac Plus logic
	board as for an SE logic Board. Are the analog boards the same?

	I've been using PCs up until now, and would like to learn my way 
around system 7/7.1 as well. In addition, I have a Laserwriter that I use with
my PC, and that I could use with the Mac. Sorry for any ignorant questions,
but I am completely unfamiliar with the hardware on the Mac, and the Larry
Pina books don't seem to cover this problem. Please reply by e_mail. Thank 
you.


						Gus
From: chh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Conrad Halling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Stylewriter (II) driver at ftp.apple.com?
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:23:42 GMT
Reply-To: chh9@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <Jan.21.15.17.19.1993.12465@gandalf.rutgers.edu> 
  rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:

>I see that stylewriter 7.2.2 is on ftp.apple.com. Is this the driver
>for the StyleWriter II? Does it work (allowing grayscale) with the
>StyleWriter I? (I know this was just discussed on the net, but as far
>as I could see the discussion was not conclusive...)

The new driver for the StyleWriter II is called "StyleWriter II".  The
version number is 1.0.  The "Printer Share" extension is also version 1.0.

-- 
Conrad Halling
c-halling@uchicago.edu
From: mcote@celine.sw.stratus.com (Mike Cote)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Power PC/68060/Taligent/Windows NT
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:52:15 GMT
Reply-To: mcote@celine.sw.stratus.com (Mike Cote)
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: celine.sw.stratus.com


Oh, so you mean that it should be a really cool implementation of Unix! :-)
The Unix philosophy is to have lots of small tools available that you can
string together to perform some task.  Sounds great to me.

mpac
From: 89611628s@sgcl1.unisg.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac Plus, Mac II memory Q&A
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:12:48 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

About 1Mb Simms on a Mac Plus: u need only cut one Resistor, and it is written
close to it 256 Simms.

Question: which speed does a Mac II need for it simms to run efficiently ?

Greetings

Ralph Schwegler
From: ozt@cco.caltech.edu (Toshiro Ozawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 'Hidden Space' in your hard drive
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:32:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: yvonne.caltech.edu
Keywords: partition

I read an article in the February issue of Mac World saying there is some
extra unused space in Apple hard drive.

I inspected mine with Apple HC Setup.  My drive is Apple (or IBM) HD80 in
the PowerBook 160.  I found 3.9 MB of extra space.  According to the
article, it's possible to use this space by repartitioning the disk.
But it also says you might lose your data "if something goes wrong".  So,
I'd have to backup my data before repartitioning. 

I'm curious to know if some of you have done this already.  How many extra
Megs have you got?  Was the data destroyed or safe?  What is the possibility
of "someting goes wrong"?  Any other comments?

 _____      ____ _____ ___________ _____
 \___ \    / __ \\___ \\___ \ \ \ \\___ \       Toshiro OZAWA
    / /__ / /_/ / ___ / __  /     / __  /       EE Dept. Caltech
    \/ \/ \____/\____\\____/\____/\____/        ozt@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hurh@fnal.fnal.gov (Patrick Hurh)
Subject: Re: How to get a 5 second 'burst' of real-time animation on a Mac
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.graphics.animation
Organization: fnal
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:28:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.202451.5700@netcom.com>, ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
> 
> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes ...
> >I was wondering if it's possible to get a 640x480 (or smaller for
> >overscan) image to play in real time on a Mac for a period of no more
> >than 5 seconds. I have a Mac IIcx with a RasterOps 364 board and I need
> >to dump animations to tape. I have other, but more complicated means of
> >doing videotapes, but since the animations won't be long, I was
> >thinking that there might be a way to get a 640x480 24 bit color
> >Quicktime movie to play at 30fps. I would assume I'd need some sort of
> >graphics accelerator. Can anyone tell me of the right thing to do?
> 
> Not possible.
> 
> Let's look at some math.  But first, note that NTSC is only 640x200
> interlaced.  The extra vertical resolution can't be used.
> 
> Math:  640 * 200 * 3 (bytes) is 384000 bytes.  Times 30 (frames per
> second) is 11520000 (say 11MB).  Thus, you're asking if a 16MHz 68030
> can transfer 11MB per second from memory across NuBus to a video board
> in one second.  If it's 640x480, then the number is 27MB.
> 
> I don't think so.  Sorry.
> 
> -- 
> Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
> ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche

I'm a newbie at this stuff so please forgive...    Is the limitation the
NuBus?  What is the throughput of a Nubus?  If the animation is stored in
fast RAM disk what is the max frames/sec which can be transferred to a
video card?   Barring all these stupid questions...what is the preferred
method of output to video (is it just not full screen?)?

Thanks in advance,             Patrick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: allen@lawnext.uchicago.edu 
Subject: Re: HP Deskwriter C for Sale
Reply-To: allen@lawnext.uchicago.edu 
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:28:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.193654.11450@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
ark@Office.Stanford.EDU (Arthur Keller) writes:
> ryanski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ryan Henrie Holmes) writes:
> >
> >- HP Deskwriter C for sale
> >- 300 dpi color inkjet printer(super quality)
> >- prints with either black or color cartridge
> >- 4 months old
> >- I paid over $750 but will sell for $550 OBO
> >
> >call me or send me email,
> >
> >Ryan Holmes
> >ryanski@groucho.stanford.edu
> >(415)497-7951
> 
> 
> That's very generous of you.  The street price for a new one (after rebate)
> is down to $424.
> 
> Arthur

Are you sure you don't mean the Deskwriter (NOT color- no "C")  which can actually  
be had for $350 with rebate on campuses?  I know they sell the DW-C for $725 new.
AD
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Stylewriter (II) driver at ftp.apple.com?
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:17:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I see that stylewriter 7.2.2 is on ftp.apple.com. Is this the driver
for the StyleWriter II? Does it work (allowing grayscale) with the
StyleWriter I? (I know this was just discussed on the net, but as far
as I could see the discussion was not conclusive...)

Thanks!

-Ralph
-- 
Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
Phone: (609) 225-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
--
From: Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Pers. LW NT Questions
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:48:44 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.84.219.225
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
X-XXDate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:53:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.005707.347@physc1.byu.edu> , seth@physc1.byu.edu
writes:
>2) I know that it has 2 meg of RAM on its board. The simms used look
like 
>ordinary simms. Will the printer use more memory if bigger simms are put
in
>instead? 

Are they indeed the same simms that you can put in any Mac, or they still
those
annoying simms that Apple was putting in earlier models of Laserwriters?
And, as
Seth asks, what sort of memory configurations will the Personal
LaserWriter NT accept?
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Quadra 700 SIMM installation problem
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:43:54 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <1jnviqINNpaj@gap.caltech.edu> dflowers@caltech.edu writes:
>
>	I had the same problem (well, I was going from 4 Meg to 20 Meg,
>overall).  I solved it by reinstalling the system, after which the 4 Meg
Oh, can i be the forth?  ;)
-mAtt
From: bayes@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Scott Bayes)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:16:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: "Programmer's" keyboard?--THANKS!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware

> The old "Apple Standard ADB Keyboard" or whatever is like that (ctrl
> next to A, esc upper left, tilde next to spacebar I think, caps lock
> on left lower corner).  It was the non-Extended (no function keys or
> T-cursor-pad) keyboard Apple sold until they came out with the funky
> Keyboard II.  You might be able to find one used somewhere.
> 
> BTW, it has no height adjustment and is thicker than the keyboard II
> (not a big problem).  I like the feel of the older keyboard (more
> crisp, less mooshy), plus the way it doesn't generate spurious
> characters the way some of the KB II's do (try typing zero and 8
> rapidly or at the same time on the KB II when in Keycaps and watch
> the Delete key on the screen).
> 
> Dan
> 

This is a pretty accurate description of the KBD on the MAC II sitting
beside me.  Look in the back of MacUser for remarketing companies that
could seel you one.  I'd guess $60-$90 would be fair.

ScottB
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Power PC/68060/Taligent/Windows NT
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:25:23 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of CIS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

In article <19984@mindlink.bc.ca> Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer)
writes:

> 
> Not to disparage the NeXT, but the difference is that Cairo and Pink will
> have a document-oriented interface (DOI).
>

That reminds me a little of the commercials for the "cab-forward" cars.
"If you were building a chair, where would you put the feet?"
"At the corners, in order to get the most stability."
"That's why on the new blah blah we pushed the wheels out towards the
corners."

Wow. Wheels on the corners of a car. Ingenious.

How are utilities handled in a document-oriented interface?
I think I will prefer a tool-oriented interface like we have now.

--
Jonathan W. Hendry
Drexel University College Of Information Studies
Anderson Financial Systems "Programmer-in-Exile" :)
tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu  or  jon@afs.com
<set loose the marmosets!>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:54:37 EST
From: <BXT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Stereo sound on LC?

I was just wondering if there was a way to get better sound than that crappy
  mono output on an LC.  Headphones are cool, but anyway to hook it up
 to a box or stereo?  I heard of some cheap cable from Radio Shack?
     Thanks,

          Ben Tu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam)
Subject: Re: Am I the only one?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:16:04 GMT

In <1993Jan23.045426.12226@oswego.Oswego.EDU> ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) writes:

>>THEN-- I read the article in the latest MacUser about Powerbooks and
>>what to bring along when on the road. And they talk about how easy it
>>is to make your own networking cable. ("For about $75, you can make
>>your VERY OWN NETWORKING CABLE! Just buy two PhoneNet adaptors,
>>
>>Am I missing something? Am I the only one who knows this wonderful
>>cheap method for hooking up two Macs with just a $10 serial cable?!?

>True, you can run an AppleTalk connection with a printer cable between
>TWO macs.  However, if the desktop mac is part of a larger network,
>there could be some reason it's owner/administrator may not want you to
>pull it off the net to hook up your Duo (what if it's an active
>fileserver, for example).  I suspect that's what they had in mind
>recommending the phone-net hardware.....

Someone told me that it will work with a printer cable, but doing so 
could increase the chance of data transmittion errors. However, I'm
using a printer cable to connect my PB100 and IIci and I've found
no problems at all.
From: Espen.H.Koht@dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PB 140 in 145's case?? Summary?
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:11:15 GMT
 <1993Jan23.211449.14185@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b3@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1993Jan23.211449.14185@midway.uchicago.edu>
chh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Conrad Halling) writes:

> Connectix PowerBook Utilities ($49 mail-order) will tell you how fast
> the processor is running.  For example, a PowerBook 160 can run at 25 MHz
> or 16 MHz (plus the equivalent of 1 MHz in processor idling mode).  The
> 160 comes with a control panel that let's you switch processor speeds 
> between 16 and 25 MHz.  It seems like you should be able to do the same
> on a 145 (but not on a 140) -- maybe a 145 owner can find out.

  Edison is a pretty neat Shareware battery level meter available from
sumex etc. which also will tell you the processor speed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: holdaway@toto.physics.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Holdaway)
Subject: 16" Monitor, 24 bit Graphics, IIci
Organization: The University of Iowa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:16:36 GMT

We have a IIci that we would like to use with an Apple 16" monitor in 24 bit
mode.  What cards are available that support this monitor at 24 bits?
Can someone recommend a 3rd party card?  I know that the Quadras support 
this monitor but we need a card for an existing IIci.

Thanks,
Robert Holdaway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hcs+@cs.cmu.edu (Henry C Schmitt)
Subject: NeXT (Was: Power PC/68060/Taligent/Windows NT)
Summary: NeXt Computers not used
Keywords: NeXT
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:08:51 GMT


I found out something interesting from the Cursor_ (CMU's Computing
Services Newsletter):
	"In addition to issues of support and configuration,
	our study showed that NeXT computers in our public
	cluster are used much less than any other systems in
	the clusters (e.g., Macintoshes, DECstations).
	Furthermore, NeXT computer use in that cluster has
	declined this year, whereas use on all other systems
	in public clusters has increased."

Draw your own conclusions from this.  I think they're pretty obvious.
-- 
Henry C. Schmitt
Home: 2863 Beechwood Blvd.,Pittsburgh, PA 15217-3114 (412) 421-8482
Work: 2212 Hamburg Hall,5000 Forbes Ave,Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412) 268-2257
E-Mail: InterNet: hcs@cmu.edu CIS: 72275,1456 AppleLink, AOL, GEnie: H.Schmitt
From: north@Apple.COM (Don North)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 68000 & Lisa VM (was Re: Motorola's 68060 for the Mac)
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:56:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <celeste> celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) writes:
>The SUN 1's were 68010 based! The orginal Lisa was a 68010!

Don't know about the Sun1, but Apple never used a 68010 in a product. Never.

>I remember an advertisment by Apollo for a 68000 based "workstation"
>for about $10,000.
>
>The "segmentation" method of code virtual memory was the same one as
>in early and current Macs. For you history buffs, go look at the
>PRT, Program Reference Table of the Burroughs 5500. PRT fuctionally
>equlivent to A5 addressing. Both procedure calls and global data
>references are made thought it. The B-5500 did in
>hardware what the Mac and Lisa did in software for segmentation).
>The current VM is simply hardware paging underneth that!
>Can you say "Multix" which had both segmenation and paging!!!!

Actually, I think it was spelt "Multics"... :-)

Lisa did use a h/w mmu for segment relocation; it did not do any form
of demand paging.  Current Macintoshs do demand paging VM underneath
the existing s/w-based segmentation (code resource) mechanism.
-- 

Don North   ----   Apple Computer, Inc.   ----   Advanced Technology Group

...!apple!north     north@apple.com      NORTH      KD6JTT     etc,etc,etc

{ Facts are facts,  but any opinions expressed are my own,  and *do not* }
{ represent any viewpoint, official or otherwise, of Apple Computer, Inc }
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: HD case for powerbook drive
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA 95131
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:53:21 GMT

In article <eabu288-270193203428@714-725-3173.nts.uci.edu> eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin) writes:
>Does anyone know where i can get the case for the HD from the powerbooks? 
>I plan to get a larger internal HD, but I need a case for my old drive.

ClubMac (800) CLUBMAC advertises an external Go-Drive kit for $99.
The description states "Use your old PowerBook drive in a convenient
portable case. Available in Platinum and PowerBook Gray."
-- 
Chuck Fisher                                        (800) 359-7997 Work
ncselxsi system administrator                       (415) 964-2819 Home
uucp:  ...!netcom!ncselxsi!fisher
From: beaker@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Mike Aguilar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Need some SE help/advice
Keywords: SE, bad floppy drives, more memory, help!
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:11:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Will-Prove-for-Food Institute

Howdy!
	I have an old SE (the kind with the extra noisy fan) and
i'm starting to have some trouble with it.  The two internal 
floppy drives are old and don't sound so happy.  When I put in
a disk, they just sort of 'whine'.  They still work (about 90% of
the time) but are full of dust and sound like they need to be 
oiled. (Does one 'oil' a drive?)  What I want to know is how to
go about 'tuning them up' so that I can once again hear that
snappy 'chomp' sound that they used to make when I would put in a 
disk.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions?  What tools 
would i need?  Is there a do-it-yerself book that covers this sort
of thing?
	Secondly, I'd like to put in some more memory. Where's
a good place to get 1M SIMMS for the SE?  Mailorder, that is.

Thanx.
-mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Ty Bower)
Subject: Re: 1.4 Meg drive for Mac II
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:06:53 GMT


>You may also want to try the AE Plus Drive. It plugs into the external drive 
>port of the Mac. It will read Mac 800K and 1.4meg and IBM 720K and 1.4meg. 
>Everything needed is built into the drive. It only costs about $300 by mail 
>order.

[stuff deleted]

>Now you are saying, but I have a Mac II, I don't have an external drive port.
>True, and Applied Engineering knows this too, that's why they will sell you a 
>cable that plugs into the interal drive port on the Mac II's.


You say they offer a cable for Mac II's.  Do they offer a fully internal
version of this drive?  Can you remove the innards from an AE Plus
and install it internally yourself?  And how do they get around the
ROM/SWIM limitation for Mac II's?

It sounds neat, but I am distrustful.  For $300 + $45 (for the cable), 
it's $100 less than the real thing.  But, if I cough up the $450 for 
the Apple version, I also get free installation, it takes up no more
desk space, and I've now got the IIx ROMs (which removes some SIMM
configuration limitations.)
From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Powerbook 140 2MB memory to sell/exchange
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:02:34 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu
Keywords: powerbook, memory, upgrade

aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis) writes:

> need to sell or exchange the 2MB memory card for the Powerbook 140.  I need
>a card with more memory, probably the 6MB upgrade.  
>Anbody interested pls. write.        

Sorry, I forgot to include my e-mail address in the first posting: 
aris@psssun.pss.msu.edu