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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:12:00 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.202513.2213@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>Note the "s", I'm not talking about the upcoming Alien S.E. set, but the
>currently available AlienS special edition.
>
>I just rented this and is it only me, or are there others who really dislike
>all the extra footage?

POO on you. I *love* the extra footage!

>A general gripe is that most of the scenes add nothing to film other then
>in lengthening an already long film.  The only exception might be the remote
>sentry stuff which was mildly interesting.

Don't forget the stuff about Ripley's daughter. Knowing that Ripley had
an 11 year old daughter who grew old and died before she returned from
the first mission explains much of Ripley's treatment of Newt.
From: thierry@curlie.UUCP (Thierry Lach   )
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Robinson Crusoe on Mars: Video Release Soon???
Keywords: Robinson Crusoe on Mars
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:14:49 GMT
Organization: Not An Organization

rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:

> In 1988, I wrote to Paramount asking them if they ever planned to
> release the 1964 film "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" on video.  In their
> reply, they seemed to hint that it was a real possiblity.  Since then,
> I have seen it being aired on various cable networks, and I had a
> friend with cable tape one such presentation for me in 1989.  
> 
> The cable version I had taped is an badly cut, short version of
> the original that I remember.  I hope that some effort is made to
> restore it to its full length, add the missing scenes and fix the
> soundtrack which is totally out of sync in a few places.  They
> should also release it in letterbox.
> 
> Does anyone know about the potential release of RCOM, or have a tape
> copy that has a better rendition of the original than I do?
> 
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu

Yeah, I second that.  That movie was my first introduction to
science fiction (at least the first that I can remember.  My
version is fuzzy etc.  Does anyone from the studios read this
stuff?  If not, maybe they should.
From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Subwoofer Showoff, was Re: * Starman's LD review: Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:09:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: uhura.1992Aug30.040950.8040
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine

In article <23082@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> jaime@tcville.UUCP (Jaime Villacorte) writes:
>
>> Paramount did an EXCELLENT job with the sound. I had the
>>floors shaking with the volume only half way up. 
>
>	Thumbs up from me also. Several scenes with good deep bass
>and nice surround effects. Rivals the UFO-&-Pickup-trucj-at-the-railroad-tracks
>scene in Close Encounters for my choice of an LD presentation which best
>shows off a subwoofer.

For subwoofer showoff, or perhaps **blowout** the Lumivision release of
the IMAX film THE DREAM IS ALIVE has always been my favorite, but I
just rented a copy of FINAL APPROACH from Vidmark and that has become
numero uno.  Strange story, until you get to the end, but exciting
flight video and **unbelievable** low end.  The sound was done digitally
from beginning to end, i.e. recording, mastering, effects, etc.  And
it shows in the lows.  Watch out!!  It made the ribbons on my Apogees
flap which usually means a sound of voice coil vaporizing potential.

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu
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From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:52:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.041700.8214@uhura.neoucom.edu>, wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
> 
> 
> Wonders of laser disc: you can edit this out yourself.  You can even
> program most players to skip what you don't want, especially if the
> chapters are in the right places (I haven't checked the ALIENS set for
> this...).  So by giving us a disc with "something extra" we get to
> see what the director was thinking about and we can then replay it
> in original mode.
> 

I didn't check whether or not each extra scene had a chapter mark, but I
doubt it.  At any rate, you can't program out the many CHANGES in dialog
(that is, not additional scenes, but existing scenes in which new words
were dubbed over, or words that had been dubbed over were removed.)  And
at any rate, I think having the player jump around to skip those scenes
would be quite a bit annoying and a pain to set up.  So no you don't get
an "original mode" with the Aliens S.E. set.

Steve
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: New T2 ? (was Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!)
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:01:49 GMT

steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:
>> It's in the planning stages.  The new edition would presumably contain
>> added footage (as detailed in the _Making Of T2_ book) and a real
>> section of supplements.
>i.e. Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor in a dream scene and the old SarahConnor. 

Actually these two scenes may make it to the supliments, but they will probably
not be in the film itself. Cameron has stated that he removed these scenes for
artistic reasons, and not time related reasons. Two scenes that will probably
be in the film are the "smile" and "operation" scenes. 

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: New T2 ? (was Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:18:39 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Aug 92 22:47:01 GMT, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) said:

lazlo> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:

lazlo> We'll see how _The Abyss_ and _T2_ fare under similar
lazlo> treatment.  (I'm betting it helps _The Abyss,_ by the way.)

So is there yet another version of T2 coming out? I got the CAV LBX
set when it came out. What will different? 

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Is Warners Plant Non-Standard?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:33:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

As I recently reported here, I had problems with pressings of JFK and Tom
Jones, both made by the "new" Warner Brothers laser disc plant. Both wouldn't
go to the end of certain sides, the laser going into an endless loop about 10
seconds before the end, repeating about the last 20-30 seconds that it could
handle.

Now this problem is very similar to something that's happened before, namely my
old LD-700 won't go past 59 minutes and 40 seconds (a few discs go beyond this
point -- Singin' in the Rain reissue, Star Trek II, Meet Me In St. Louis
reissue), and I get this endless loop business again because the laser
mechanism can't cope with it (I've tried cleaning the tracks it sits on, that
didn't do any good).

But neither of the two Warner Brothers discs mentioned goes that far in terms
of time. Or do they? I've looked carefully at the sides in question, and I
noticed that at the beginning, where there is a band with a different pattern
(similar to that on a CAV disc) where the laser starts reading and there is
various secret info consisting of codes, etc., this band is considerably wider
than on most of my discs.

I'm just wondering if the fact this band is wider has caused the remaining
material on the disc to be pushed out farther than normal, like beyond the
59:40 point which gives my player trouble)? Looking at the outside of the disc
on a couple of sides doesn't seem to back up this theory, since I can see what
appears to be another pattern indicating the end of the side. But a couple do
go very far...

Is it possible that these discs made by Warner Brothers are manufactured in
some kind of a non-standard way? I was recently faxed an article about this new
plant telling how state-of-the-art it was, which I found quite hilarious,
considering the number of complaints I've been hearing about many titles
pressed there (Excalibur, for example).


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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...)
Subject: Hello, Goodbye
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:04:26 GMT

Well, after seven or so years of this net.insanity, it's time for me
to go gently into that good night.

Any of you who have been paying attention to industry news will know
that Digital has of late been, ah, "fiscally challenged", and as a
result have been laying off large numbers of employees. Well, those
layoffs have finally caught up with me.

Unless my group decides to push the "tap" off once again (as they've
done three times already), this will most likely be my last week,
with Monday, the 31st, being my last day.

Of course, the part that hurts is losing my net connection, both the
Internet news and email. As I don't have a home PC, it wouldn't do me
much good to get a public-access account at the moment. As soon as my
situation stabalizes, I will see about getting a PC of some flavor and
an Internet account, but until then, I'll be electronically blind.

I've seen the Internet change over the years, and I've made a lot of
friendships here in that time. It'll feel strange not to have that
electronic contact with so many people.

I'd like to thank everyone who's made it so enjoyable to be here over
the years. It's been real, and it's been fun, and at times it's even
been real fun.

TTFN

--- jerry
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Eraserhead?
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: rec.video.releases
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:48:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.110215.9987@alf.uib.no> singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde) writes:
>   D A V I D   L Y N C H   :   E R A S E R H E A D
>
>
>Eraserhead is not available on video in the US (it has been in England but that's
>on PAL) (I've got it!).

I don't know about current availability but it has been released in the
U.S.  I rented the tape on Beta 5 or 6 years ago.  I currently own the
LD version on RCA/COLUMBIA [catalog number not handy].  My copy was
pressed ~1984 by Pioneer, so it may now be out of print.

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.175212.10647@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>
>I didn't check whether or not each extra scene had a chapter mark, but I
>doubt it.  At any rate, you can't program out the many CHANGES in dialog
>(that is, not additional scenes, but existing scenes in which new words
>were dubbed over, or words that had been dubbed over were removed.)  And
>at any rate, I think having the player jump around to skip those scenes
>would be quite a bit annoying and a pain to set up.  So no you don't get
>an "original mode" with the Aliens S.E. set.

What were the scenes where the dialog was changed?

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu
From: mfrost@sword.eng.pyramid.com (Mark Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: 50th Anniversary Casablanca Release
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:32:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology


I saw this in the San Jose Mercury this weekend.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Restored 'Casablanca' Marks 50th Anniversary

MGM/UA home video has released two 50th-anniversary videocassette editions
of the classic film "Casablanca" (1942).  Both are made from a newly
restored and remastered print of the film.

One, priced at $24.98, includes a documentary on the making of the film,
titled, "You Must Remember This."  Also included is the film's original
trailer.

A limited-edition version, for $99.98, includes an expanded version of
"You Must Remember This," two versions of the original trailer, a booklet
featuring production stills, a packet of black-and-white stills from the
film and a hardbound commemorative book.

There are two videodisc versions.  The $29.98 package contains the film
plus the documentary; the other for $49.98, contains the film, the
documentary and two versions of the original trailer.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This seems kinda weird that a tape version would come with more than the
disc version.  In fact, I'm not sure that I've EVER heard of a tape version
having more than a special edition disc version.  This makes me wonder if
they didn't have their story straight.

They also don't mention a street date.

Does anyone else have more info about this?


          -m-----------  Mark "Hoek" Frost    (mfrost@pyramid.com)
        ---mmm---------  R&D Lab Manager Group
      -----mmmmm-------  Pyramid Technology Corporation
    -------mmmmmmm-----  3860 North First Street
  ---------mmmmmmmmm---  San Jose, California 95134 (408) 428-8163
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From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: Disney and LaserDiscs
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:11:25 GMT

is disney generally slow on the laserdisc releases?  i know that 101  
dalmations has been out for a while on tape, but i haven't seen it on disc.  

there're a lot of other disney things out on disc, but i don't recall the  
timing of the tape/disc releases.

i'm particularly interested in beauty and the beast.

shawn
From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:28:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <j6dnav_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>>
>>> I just rented this and is it only me, or are there others who really
>>> dislike all the extra footage? 
>>
>>No, I agree with you about roughly two-thirds of it.  Most of the stuff
>>added for this edition doesn't add anything to the plot, and worse, it
>>slows down the pacing -- a serious problem for a film that moved like a
>>runaway freight train in its theatrical cut.    
>>

Gee, I thought all the new material added a lot to the film.  To each his
own, I guess...

In its defense, let me point out a few things that work better (for me)
in the new version than the old.

In the new version, we find out Ripley had a daughter that has died while
Ripley was in hibernation.  This gives a lot of realistic motivation for
why Ripley fights so hard to save Newt (even when it looks totally hopeless
at the end).  

In both versions, Newt knows exactly how to go through the ducts to get
to the landing area.  In the new version, however, Newt and her brother
are fighting about a game they and the other children play which involves
running around in the air ducts.  Newt's brother complains that she's 
the best at the game just because she's smaller than everybody else.  This
gives more justification as to why Newt was the only one able to survive the
aliens attack by hiding in the air ducts.

There was more, but that at least gives a flavor...

>>
>>> I suppose it shows that directors really aren't Gods and are definitely
>>> NOT the only person involved in the end result of a released film. 
>>
>>Yeah, I always had a problem with the idea that artists aren't the best
>>people to judge their own work, but you rarely have a chance to see two
>>versions of a film contrasted as starkly as in the theatrical vs.
>>director's cuts of _Aliens._  I enjoy the Special Edition as a package
>>(the suppliments are excellent, and the new footage is interesting to
>>see), but when given the choice, I'd prefer the original cut.

The thing I like about Cameron & crew is the fact that they realize that
a given story can be told several different ways.  The fact that a new
version comes out doesn't invalidate the ones that came before, it just
gives a new perspective on it.  The fact that this version came out doesn't
invalidate the original theatrical cut - it's just a different version.




-- 

-->  Michael B. Johnson
-->  MIT Media Lab      --  Computer Graphics & Animation Group
-->  (617) 253-0663     --  wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
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From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: List movies by actor (Virginia Madsen)
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:57:12 GMT

An extensive list is posted regularly to rec.movies.misc.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:05:05 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark (lbx)
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug28.165554.25097@adobe.com>, bennett@adobe.com (Bennett Leeds)
says:
>
>On *many* of the edits in the film, the frame before the cut has a horizontal
>band (about 1-2" high on my 19" monitor) in which the picture is lighter or
>tinted slightly. While watching the move you're aware of a flash in the lower
>region of the picture. Still fields with my D701 let me examine the problem
>- Bennett Leeds
>bennett@adobe.com


     So, this is a film problem? If so, thank goodness. I thought for a minute
that it was a LD problem. It is very apparent, at least I have noticed, on the
Star Wars discs. And I have found once you look for them, it is very hard to
forget they exist. (By the way, I'm talking about the LBBX editions.)
If anyone has anything else, please post it.
     Well, I'm still anxiously awaiting my copy of Raiders and Temple of Doom,
and I only live in Pennsylvania! I thought I would have had it by now!

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
       "You're just a petty bureaucrat with a gun." -- Indiana Jones
   ====================================================================
From: pprun@lookout.mnet.uswest.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: List movies by actor (Virginia Madsen)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:59:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: US WEST Communications


Is there a reference that I can look in to determine which movies a
particular actress was in?  My specific question is what movies has
Virginia Madsen been in, but this is also a generic question.  Thanks.


Pete
pprun@lookout.mnet.uswest.com
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From: miller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Geoffrey M. Miller)
Subject: Re: List movies by actor (Virginia Madsen)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:47:35 GMT

     
Creator  -- didn't see
Electric Dreams -- pleasant movie (great soundtrack)
Fire w/ Fire -- didn't see
Gotham -- ditto
Heart of Dixie -- ditto
Hot Spot -- pretty lame, unless you're a Jennifer Connelly fanatic
Hot to Trot -- didn't see
Ironclads -- didn't see
Long Gone -- saw it on cable, excellent baseball movie,  better than Bull Durham
       the actors actually knew how to throw a ball 
Modern Girls -- didn't see
Slam Dance -- lame
Third Degree Burn -- didn't see
Zombie High --crap
 
This was from the VIDEO MOVIE GUIDE 1992
  
One movie not mentioned is DUNE, where Madsen played the Princess Irulan.
 
Later

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From: zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: speaking of TPV
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:56:06 GMT

has anybody seen a new issue of TPV?  The last one I saw was the one with the Moses-type guy holding the slate which said thou shalf preserve old movies on it.... I haven't seen a new issue since....

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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:23:55 GMT

> A warning, though: If you've got a good stereo system, be careful of the
> sound levels. The Praxis-explosion wave at the beginning of the film
> will blow you through the back wall if you've got it cranked too high.
> 

thanks for the warning.  I already experienced such a blowout during a  
sequence in the Wall when the volume was a tad bit too high (actually it  
blew my surround sound fuse - but such is life).
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Sleeves for LD boxes ??
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:35:54 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
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: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
: Has anyone found a sleeve to cover boxes with laserdisc sets? **

My solution is...  don't bother.  The boxes often don't provide sufficient
anti-warp support anyway.  What I do is move the discs to individual generic
white cardboard sleeves (with poly-lined paper inner sleeves).  I have all
the boxes set out (empty) where people can browse them.  They get handled
infrequently enough that no protection is necessary.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
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This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
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Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Paramount no chapters, was Re: Temple of Doom Caveat
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:03:23 GMT

In article <SS.92Aug27082040@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>The set was originally 2 sides, but went to 3 to make for a better
>break to the next side. Watched it last night, and the quality was
>very good. Equal to the Star Trek LBX movies. Paramount does a nice
>job.

They usually do good transfers from good sources.  But why oh why do
they never use chapter encoding?  I haven't seen the new Indy discs
yet, but I suspect they have no chapters either.  They don't even
use it for simple things like trailers, or introductory material
that you might want to skip over and, of course, nothing for movie
segments.

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu