From: MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu ()
Subject: Re: German Blood
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:52:35 GMT
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  Contrary to my normal habits, I leave Debora's posting in here, since I
> am crossposting to de.soc.politik.
> 
> > In <L371F6E@math.fu-berlin.de> weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de writes:
> > 
> >> One does not quite get a German passport "on demand". You have to 
> >> have (at least) the following:
> >> 
> >> - have lived in Germany legally for at least 10 years (5 if you are
> >> married to a German)
> >> - have a "Fuehrungszeugnis" in good order (there's a limit to the
> >> amount of fines and jail time you are allowed to have, you have to be 
> >> "unbescholten" in your "Lebenswandel")
> >> - have a place to live
> >> - be able to feed your family (i.e. have a job and not live on
> >> public assistance)
> >> - have to show a "freiwillige und dauernde Hinwendung zu Deutschland",
> >> to know about the German govermnent and to pledge oneself on the basis
> >> of the free and democratic basic order
> >> - speak and write German well enough
> >> - not be addicted to alcohol or drugs
> >> - petition the parliament to become a citizen - this costs up to
> >> 5000 DM (2500 DM if married to a German citizen)
> >> - revoke all previous citizenships.
> >> It's so crazy, I'm sure there wouldn't be so many problems between
> >> Germans and Auslaender if it was easier to get German citizenship,
> >> especially for the children of "Guest workers" that were born here.
> >> -- 
> >> Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
> >> Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
> >> Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
> >> D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
> > 
> > 
> > Your're wrong, to have a a german passport doesn't change anything for the
> > 'Auslaender', I prefer to call them immigrants.
> > They can vote and be elected for political positions, but that it.
> > Young males also have to go 'Militaerdienst'.
> 
> Isn't that what a normal German citizen is entitled or obliged to? What
> is Your problem here? What is there more that You might want by the way
> of rights?


An immigrant with a german passport has the same rights like a german, but that
is not the point, even with german passports they are treated like
'Auslaender', you can bet!!!.

 
> > If you have black hairs and look like a turk or else, they won't accept you
> > at all even yor are a german!, you live there you should know that.


 
> You haven't really been outside Berlin, have You? Quite a few of my
> German friends in Baden Wuerttemberg, native to this part of the
> country, cannot really be distinguished from either Sicilians,
> Spaniards, or Turks, what with their complexion, hair colour and
> physiognomie. There is quite a bit of morphological diversity even in
> Germany, and small wonder, that.
> 
> But I wonder. Have You been treated badly since Your naturalisation,
> and when did the latter take place and where?


I don't understand these questions!. 


> > The fee to get the german passport is only 100 DM, they changed it with the
> > new 'Auslaendergesetz'
> 
> Is this the German citizenship "petition fee" that Debora alluded to, or
> is it just for the passport?


It is the "petition fee", you have to pay the passport extra.

 
Regards, MUTLU
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