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From: pdavidson@trentu.ca (Paul Davidson)
Subject: Dublin Tree-planter
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:23:00 GMT

To the person who was interested in learning more about tree planting in 
British Columbia. I accidentally erased your message. I think I could tell 
you more about it.
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.155746.22154@pandora.matrox.com> thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>>Labelling laws are not there to promote national bilingualism.  They
>>are there to enforce fair and uniform advertising on consumer goods.
>
>However, it is a symbol of Canada's language duality.  Because it
>entails only small sacrifices (translation costs, and the labour of
>rotating packages up to 180 degrees), all Canadians should accept it.

It is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.  Canadians should
not accept it "by default".  The gov't should mind it's own business.

If the (Ont) gov't mandates private sector goods be bilingulally labelled,
then shouldn't it also label every traffic sign in the province?  What's
the difference between the two?  The difference is that the cost of the
second comes out of the gov't pockets.  They are being hipocritical, as
usual...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: so its clinton/gore,
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:01:33 EST

BP>I'm just curious about the general sentiments of Canadians (ALL Canadians)
BP>about the results of our elections. Are Canadians pleased to see Clinton
BP>and Gore winning the election?

After that hatefest of a Republican convention, I'm just glad anyone
other than Bush was elected.  Anyone who would give that Bukkkanan
person an open mic on international T.V. deserves to lose.

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:50:32 GMT

In <1992Nov5.025659.268@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:

>	I can *live* with Clinton and Gore in the Whitehouse, it's 
>	Al's wife Tipper that scares me.  She's heavily into the 
>	censorship thing with her band of Washington wives and their
>	PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).  I thought she was a
>	Republican !!!  Surprise surprise.

Can we please put this BS to bed. PMRC want's recordings with
*adult* (actually, pretty damn childish IMHO) lyrics to be so
labeled. They aren't burned in big bonfires, etc. Suppose you
have a young daughter and buy her a R&R record for a present,
but you don't know the R&R scene. Wouldn't it be just great
to hear it for the first time and find all they are singing
about is [expletive deleted].

It was *not* censorship, merely *truth in labeling* :-/

Bob.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8285 can.general:5282 rec.music.misc:26917
From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,rec.music.misc
Subject: REMEMBRANCE DAY - B.Adams (Was - Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*!)
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:42:00 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
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All follow-ups to soc.culture.canada

My original posting of "In Flanders Fields" was met with corrections;
to those who posted/replied, my thanks.

And now, for something along similar lines ...


	REMEMBRANCE DAY - Bryan Adams (from "Into the Fire" A&M 1987)

	For our king and our country, and the promise of glory
	We came from Kingston and Brighton to fight on the front lines
	Just lads from the farms and boys from the cities
	Not meant to be soldiers, we lay in the trenches
	We'd face the fighting with a smile ... or so we said
	If only we had known what danger lay ahead

	The sky turned to grey as we went into battle
	On the fields of Europe young men were fallin'
	I'll be back for you someday - it won't be long
	If I can just hold on `til the bloody war is over

	The guns will be silent - on Remembrance Day
	There'll be no more fighting - on Remembrance Day

	By October of `18 Cambrai had fallen
	Soon the war would be over and we'd be returning
	Don't forget me while I'm gone far away
	Well, it won't be long `til I'm back there in your arms again

	The guns will be silent - on Remembrance Day
	There'll be no more fighting - on Remembrance Day

	One day soon I don't know when
	You know we'll all be free and the bells of peace will ring again
	The time has come for you and me
	We'll be going home when this bloody war has ended

	The guns will be silent - on Remembrance Day
	We'll all say a prayer - on Remembrance Day

	... on Remembrance Day ...
	... say a little prayer ... 
	... on Remembrance Day ...

	(Well) the guns will be silent
	There'll be no more fighting
	We'll lay down our weapons
	On Remembrance Day

	... on Remembrance Day ...
-- 
* April 1917 - Vimy Ridge : " ... lest we forget ..."
* Sgt. Michael Ralph : first Canadian killed during current
			UN Bosnia peacekeeping mission
Henry Lee   <hlee@unixg.ubc.ca> // <lee@physics.ubc.ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Music labelling (was So its Clinton/Gore, eh?)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:20:52 GMT

livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
: 
: Oh, here we go.   The great and the good can set the standards,
: and as long as the government isn't involved, it's not censorship.
: 
: Well, that argument is quite popular in the US, but in the rest
: of the world we recognize concepts like self-censorship.   Not
: all the world is US-shaped, believe it or not.

A simple solution to music labels:  require stores by law to give a full
refund if a purchase is deemed unsuitable and offensive to the listener. 
In this way, parents can listen to the recording to check its suitability
for their kids.

But you'll probably agree that the record retail industry would never 
accept this, would they?  CD and tape purchases are always non-refundable,
or else they'd lose more money from pirate recording.

Anyway, the reality is that warning labels SELL products! Kids want
music with attitude.  

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.130110.25440@bmerh85.bnr.ca> viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.103251.7309@ee.ubc.ca>, jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:

[ nonsense deleted ]
>|> 
>|> This is ridiculous. What kind of pathetic inferiority complex do you have?
>
Do we need bi-mood labelling here (smiley's for the humourously impaired)?

It serves you right. Sure, fall back on the, "oops, left out a smiley",
for all I know you could have meant that. If you don't know enough about 
netiquette to know that people may take offense at narrow minded, bigotted 
opinions presented as serious opinions; well get used to the flames.
And especially when they apparently make your country look bad and petty.

Next time, why don't you just post "Hitler was a great man, too bad he ran
out of time" or something like that.  Post that next time, and say "oops,
left a smiley out". 

I've taken my share of heat for mistakes; guess it's your turn

>Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
>email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov03.142856.23047@bmerh85.bnr.ca> viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca writes:
>In article <Bx3v16.GMv.1@cs.cmu.edu>, clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

[ stuff ]

>|> Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
>|> School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
>|> Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
>|> 5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
>|> Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
>
>Being from where you are I don't expect you know a hell of a lot about the issue
>as it relates to Canada.  You would be correct if we were talking about goods
>manufactured and packaged in Canada.  The problem is when we import things because
>you arrogant Yanks don't kindly label bilingually in French and English thus
>requiring us to open and repackage the stuff.


This is ridiculous. What kind of pathetic inferiority complex do you have?
It's one thing that Americans are often ignorant of things outside their
country (or even their own state). But this is utterly pathetic. People
like you make Canadians look bad, like little backwater whiners. I bet you
even bought one of those upside down US flags during the world series. Try
rising above the fray, instead of being small, and petty about things? Ok?

"arrogant Yanks don't kindly label bilingually"    
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    flame bait if I've ever seen it

Why don't you buy Canadian next time? Why is a US business obligated to label
in French? If they want the market, they can label in French, if they don't,
there are enough companies that DO want the business, that they WILL label in
French, in order ro get the Canadian market. Nobody's forcing you to import
sheets. 

>--
>Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
>email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 
>
>Pillaging and plundering were more fun than programming!
>(Opinions are not my employer's and sometimes not mine)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: Matrox Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:35:24 GMT

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

>It is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.  Canadians should
>not accept it "by default".  The gov't should mind it's own business.

Product labelling is the business of the federal government.
Road signs are within provincial, not federal, jurisdiction.
--
Thomas Hood                                                     thood@matrox.com
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: kspeicht@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca (Kevin F. Speichts)
Subject: America's Answer to Flanders Fields
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:29:46 GMT

	
		AMERICA'S ANSWER

	Rest ye in peace, ye Flanders dead;
	The fight that ye so bravely led
	We've taken up.  And we will keep
	True faith with you who lie asleep
	With each a cross to mark his bed
	And poppies blowing overhead,
	Where once his own lifeblood ran red.
	So let your rest be sweet and deep
		In Flanders' Fields	

	Fear not that ye have died for naught.
	The torch ye threw to us is caught,
	Ten million hands will hold it high
	And Freedom's light shall never die.
	We've learned the lesson that ye taught
		In Flanders' Fields.



	AMERICA'S ANSWER -- written by R.W. Lillard and published in
	the New York Evening Post.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.230737.29054@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.052742.16237@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>> I don't think I've heard of a workable democracy ever involving more
>> people than the city-states of ancient Greece.
> It should be noted that the Athenian concept of democracy was
> markedly different from our own.  Only 3000 men were allowed to cast
> ballots in Athens so one can safely assume that their `democracy' did
> not work for the vast majority of the people.

What was the population of Athens at the time?  (And I'm not so sure
that the ancient Greek notion of democracy is that different from the
modern one; I don't see anything in what you've said to make me think
so, except possibly (depending on the population) the proportion of
residents that had a franchise.)

> As an aside the citizens also regularly voted on banishing someone
> from the city.

So?  We do the same, only we have courts do it, and we call it
"imprisonment"...sometimes "extradition" or "deportation", or in
extreme cases "capital punishment".  In all cases, it amounts to "we do
not want you forming part of our society"; they differ only in the way
in which the person is removed from society.

> One of the best arguments for modern democracy as a political system
> is the seeming inability for two democracies to go to war.

Are there any democracies left?  I don't think there are, except
possibly a couple of small countries, I think in northern Europe.
Everybody else is too large, and has had to go to some other system;
the countries whose governments I am familiar with are either
monarchies (or other hereditary-rule system) or use some
supposedly-representative system, like the US, which is a republic, and
Canada, for which I do not know the correct term.  (Okay, not
*everybody* else.  Vatican City may well be small enough.
Lichtenstein, perhaps.  Maybe a couple of others.)

> I am unware of any historical precedent of a `benevolent dictator'.

A good point - it's a bit like some cynic/humorist who said/wrote,
referring to the USA, that anyone capable of getting himself made
President should on no account be allowed to do the job: being a
dictator borders on incompatible with being benevolent.

					der Mouse
Organization: Valencia University (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 15:48:12 EST
From: <ARTIGAS@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Help for a good friend...


    Hi there


          A good friend of mine is looking for a job in Canada. She's
  the degree on Spanish Language & Litherature, and she's a good level
  on english & french.

          If somebody knows anything or can introduce her to anybody
that could help her, please contact with:

                  Araceli Garcia
                  Jaca, 10 -30
                  E-46010 Valencia (Spain)

           or e-mail to me
                   Alvaro Pons
                   ARTIGAS@vm.ci.uv.es

          Thank you in advance,                Alvaro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: A French primer for Wayne (was: Labelling)
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov11.043204.18597@julian.uwo.ca> <BxJKzy.594.1@cs.cmu.edu>
	<1992Nov11.141327.23905@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.141327.23905@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

   >In article <BxJKzy.594.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
   >   In article <1992Nov11.043204.18597@julian.uwo.ca>  wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
   >
   >   Do you do this just to bug me?  If I wanted a french conversation, I would
   >   have posted in french.  
   >
   >Wayne, where did you grow up?  I'm surprised that you have had so
   >little exposure to French.  You'd think that thousands of mornings
   >alone with your cereal box and milk carton would have taught you
   >something!  :-)

   What the hell kind of comment is that?  What, because I grew up in
   Canada, I'm supposed to genetically know french?  
 
Genetically, of course not.  Culturally, in a limited sense.

   So It's my fault that someone reads my comments (in english) and
   turns around and replys in french?  It there a continuity problem
   here that you can't see?  (even with the smiley, I can't understand
   why everybody is having a problem with my logic).

While I do see a certain amount of logic in keeping the thread of
conversation in a particular language, I wouldn't make an issue of it.
Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Growing up in Montreal, it was
natural to see people have conversations where the language of the
speakers switches back and forth numerous times.

   >I'm going to do a poor translation (word-for-word literal) of Normand's
   >post here...

   Thanks, but no thanks.  If I want to reply to Normand's comments,
   then I'll reply to Normands comments.

All I was implying was that Normand's post was not written in very
challenging French, that a naive translation like the one I provided
would have been good enough to understand what he was saying.  It's
not as if he were writing _Les Miserables_.

   (I read it anyways as I was deleting it.  Would it have been hard
   for Normand to write it in english in the first place?  Again,
   thanks for the translation, but I don't like carrying on 2
   different conversations in the same post, besides, Normand would
   probably just reply to it in french.(insert half-smiley/grin here)

It is far easier to read something in a foreign language than to write
in it.  In the case of Normand, while he obviously does know English,
he can probably compose a news article in French much faster than in
English.  (I know that in my case, it is about 10 times slower --- but
my French is not so wonderful.) 



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Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bettina@eng.clemson.edu (bettina gassmann)
Subject: work permission for german citizen ?????
Reply-To: bettina@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:50:27 GMT


Hi, 

could someone possibly tell me how my chance are if I apply to the canadian embassy for work permission. Are there maybe good chances for short term work permissions (1 year or so)? I am a german citizen and hold a Masters degree in chemical engineering.

Any kind of information on this subject is more than welcome !!!!!!!

Thanks 

Bettina
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:07:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <bob1.721064011@cos>, bob1@cos.com writes:
> In <1dc205INNcj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> 
> 
> >Two questions:
> 
> >	When do they get started on Shakespeare and the Bible?
> 
> >	Who decides on the label?   Who writes the label for
> >	Upton Sinclair's books, Zola, Gorky?   Does the label
> >	say "Recommended: social comment"? or "Warning: socialist
> >	propaganda"?
> 
> >You have to be ready to answer questions like that before you
> >throw words like "truth" around with such gay abandon.
> 
> Books are seldom sealed (Madonna excepted) so you can browse
> through them.

Provided you can get them at all.

I'm amazed at how little history people seem to know.  Are
you aware, for example, that many English-speaking authors
had to get their work published in France, because
publishing houses in the USA were unwilling to handle
them?    This is self-censorship.

> I oppose censorship, I also oppose having music that I prefer
> not to listen to, blasted into my ears from every BFR being
> carried about, or some overpowered mobile system. 

No-one can argue with your taste.   But what does this have to
do with warning labels on records?

jon.
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: !*! In Flanders Fields ... !*!
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:56:34 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Nov10.001404.1317@eng.ufl.edu> garry@monarch.zoo.ufl.edu (Garry Peterson) writes:
>'In Flanders Fields' is an example of the crap which helps
>manufacture the death we remember on Nov. 11.
>
>Try one of these not so glorious poems instead.

I know I should not say this but "In Flanders Fields" commemerates the
sacrifice that these people made to defend their way of life. It does not
glorify war.

Now for the part that is uncomforatble for the sanctimonious among us
such as GP above. Sometimes the sacrifice of war is necessary to rid
the world of an evil. The people who practice war know of its inhumanity
but sometimes its is unavoidable. So before you begin wrapping yourself in
the mantle of all virtue, remember the NAZI death camps. Remember the
sacrifice of the people who died fighting to rid the world of such
barbarism. This is what is remembered on November 11.

The glory of war as an enterprise has been rejected by society for
nearly a century now. You do not have a monopoly on compassion.

-- 
i.sinature
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.tv
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Canadian Television Exports List: Request for Updates
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:29:15 GMT

In article <BxJssM.977.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>
>I recently heard a radio story about an SRC serial that had had
>success abroad, and which this season is being shown, dubbed on CBC.
>I would appreciate info on that show in particular.

I think you're talking about "Les Filles de Caleb."  I don't know
anything about its foreign sales.  I'll have a look in the TV guide
tonight to find out the English title.
>
>o  Lance et Compte (SRC) (198?-?)
>-  CBC (as "He Shoots, He Scores")
>-  TSR [CH] (198?- )

I recall hearing several years ago that Lance et Compte was shown
in France (or maybe in Switzerland) under the title "Cogne et
Gagne (!).
>
>     << France [FR] >>
>
>TF 1 -- Television Francaise
> State-owned network

I'm pretty sure TF1 has ben privatized.
>
>Antenne 2
> State-owned network
>
>La Cinq
> Commercial station
>
>
>   << Switzerland [CH] >>
>
>TSR --  Television Suisse
> State-owned (?) french-language network

R for "romande", I presume.  You might try the World Radio-TV
Handbook for the exact name of these networks, and whether
they're government or commercial.  It should be available in
your library (if not, tell them to buy it).
>
>
>     << Austria [AT] >>
>
>ORF --
> State-owned network (?)

Definitely state-owned.  Stands for Oesterreichischer Rundfunk
(approximate spelling.  My German is only slightly better than
Wayne's French :-)  Again, the WRTH is a good place to find the
names of these networks.
>
Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

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