From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormon Claims Answered 3
Date: 26 Sep 92 04:39:51 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep25.171440.59188@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes:
>In article <80VO027Q23t001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, 
>agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
>>>> "Spirit Prison" is totally unsupported by
>>>> the Bible.  The Bible says:
>>>
>>>"By which also [Christ] went and preached unto the spirits in
>>>prison."  (1 Peter 3:19.)
>>>
>>>"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are
>>>dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh,
>>>but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Peter 4:6.)
>
>[...] 
>> It is not talking about preaching
>> to dead people!  It is talking about preaching to people that are NOW
>> dead when they were alive.  Check out a modern translation and you will
>> understand (I know you don't accept the modern translation, that remark
>> was for the bystanders).
>
>Perhaps you could kindly post these few verses from a modern
>translation for me.  And then continue to explain for me what
>your comments above mean.  I will provide mmore of a context to

Be glad to friend!  Here is the NIV version.  I don't have any others
with me, but if this isn't satisfactory, I'll be glad to send other
versions later.  Please let me know!

     "For this is the reason that the gospel was preached even
      to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged
      according to men in regard to the body, but live according
      to God in regard to the Spirit."  1Peter4:6

You see Jason, it says this is the reason that the gospel WAS PREACHED!
That is past tense! ... to those that are NOW dead.  It is talking about
the preaching that was done to those who are NOW dead when they were
living.  A lot of times you can get a much clearer picture of what is
being said my looking at the context and verses on a more modern
translation.  Not that they modern translations are different, or say
things that are not the same, but they say them in plainer English and
with words that were are more use to hearing in our time.  If you don't
have a modern translation, send me your address and I will be glad to
purchase one for you and send it to you!






>my first quote:
>
>"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
>
>"Which sometime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God
>waited in the days of noah, while the ark was preparing, wherein
>few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
>(1 Peter 3:19-20.)
>
>So if I understand you correctly, are you saying that all thoses
>that died in the flood really didn't die but were looked up on
>some actual prison somwhere and kept alive until Christ came to
>preach to them after he [Christ] was put to death?

I didn't say that!  You are adding this to my words.  I am not saying
this in anger.  Just wanted to point this out, that you were doing such,
I don't think you are aware of it.

>
>Sounds to me like he went and preached to them in the existence
>that we all find ourselfs in after we die but before we are
>resurrected.  Obviously there must pe some sort of prison there
>(for whatever reason) that Christ went to and preached.
>
>> What you mean by "Spirit Prison" is totally refuted in Hebrews 9:27
>> 
>> "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after that this the
>>  judegment".    Heb 9:27
>
>How does this verse refute the idea of a spirit prison in the
>after-life or preclude any preaching occuring there while the
>spirits there are awaiting the resurrection and judgement?

What I meant was that "NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION" (2 Cor 6:2).  After
your physical death, your spiritual position is final!  It doesn't matter
if your ansesstors baptise you by proxy.  You don't wait in a prison
until you get a chance to accept or deny the gospel. The Bible clearly
teaches that everyone is such that they do not have an excuse (Romans 1)
and that your chance to accept or deny that Jesus is God is only while
you are one this earth in a physical and mortal body. "And as it is
appointed unto men once to die, but AFTER THAT this the JUDGEMENT!"

>
>You don't accept my interpretation of Biblical passages.
>And I don't accept you interpretation of the same Biblical
>passages.  And yet we both believe that same Biblical passages to
>be true and the word of God.
>
>I'm conviced that I'm right. 
>And you're conviced that you're right. 
>What difference will it make for you to try and convince
>me against my will that yours is the only correct way, when the
>way I have choosen brings me such peace, joy, and fulfillment? 
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Jason Hunsaker  -|-  Logan, Utah  -|-  Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu

You see Jason, this is not an arguement over Bible interpretation and
who is right or wrong!  The writer only meant ONE thing when he wrote
these things down, therefore, one of our interpretations is correct
and one is wrong.  I am interested in Truth, because the eternity of
my (and yours) depends on it.  If what I believe is wrong, for heaven's
sake (and I mean literally) I want to know about it. I am not to proud
to admit if I am wrong.  I will be glad if I see the light, if my
soul depends on what I believe.  I just hope that you have the same
attitute that I do over Truth.  If you do, then our discussions are
worth the time, if not, and this is just an arguement to see who wins,
why waste the time?  I am not trying to convince you anything.  I want
you to know the Jesus that I know so that you can be SURE and KNOW for
SURE where you will spend eternity.

I hope my letters are not offensive, because I care about your soul Jason.
I enjoy talking with you.

Love,
-tony