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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: In case you missed it...
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:11:18 GMT
Organization: Huh?   

In <1992Jul22.205252.26360@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>I haven't seen anybody comment on this, and it didn't get much attention in
>the papers beyond a small article, but arbiter George Nicolau ruled this
>week on the union's greivance over the amateur draft rule changes,
>overturning the changes.  Nicolau hasn't yet determined damages, which
>could range as far as making all the high school players drafted this year
>free agents.  

And there may also, possibly, be some damages that are awarded to the
major league players who were free agents last winter.  Before anyone
says huh, this is the reasoning: it was pretty clear last winter that the 
owners were going to pass a rule which gave them long term rights to the 
players drafted.  That being the case, the draft picks thus could be considered
more valuable than before.  And that might lead teams to be more wary
of signing a free agent such as Pedro Guerrero and giving up those two
draft picks.

Greg 

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From: pfferrei@laplace.waterloo.edu (Paulo Ferreira)
Subject: Re: Dome plays foul on Jack Clark :-):-):-)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:58:40 GMT

In article <19223@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>Boston DH, Jack Clark had a very bad taste of the Metrodome
>in the top of the 9th. With 1 out and runners in the corners,
>Jack Clark was at the plate. On a 3-2 count from Agiluera,
>Clark popped it to the seats at the 3rd base side. However,
>to the chagrin of Clark, the ball hit a speaker and deflected
>inside the park and 3rd baseman Reboulet made  catch.
>Clark threw up his bat and his helmet in total disgust. 
>Did anybody else watched this....
>
>S.H
>Win or lose; Twins forever...

This reminds me of a ball Devon White of the Blue Jays hit in the Metrodome 
last year.  He got a hold of a pitch and lauched it way up into the right 
field bleachers. Of course the announcers were admiring the shot, as was White,
when all of a sudden, the ball hit a speaker at the top of the dome right above
the outfield wall and the ball bounced back and landed for a double.  Most
of the estimates about the distance of the ball (if it hadn't hit the speaker)
were in the 450 feet range.  
After the game, they had an interview with Devon White who said it would have
been the longest ball he ever hit in his life...


BTW, what is the exact rule about balls hitting things like speakers?

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 13:11:53 CDT
From: STEVE ROMAN <U31764@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject:    where's will

Does anyone out there know what's up with Will Clark?  I've been out of
touch for about a week, and I notice he's been out of the lineup (except
for last night's heroic pinch-hit blast!).  Is he hurt?

SF fan in Chicago...
From: jortiz@tagore.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:29:53 GMT
Reply-To: jortiz@tagore.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul22.201015.28594@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
|> 
|> *    When I watch a good hitter at the plate, they will show the swing of the
|> *  hitter in slow motion. IMHO the best looking swings I've seen are:
|> *        1) Dave Justice
|> *        2) Will Clark
|> *        3) Don Mattingly
|> *        4) George Brett
|> 
|> 	 5) Rafael Palmeiro
|> 	 6) Mark Grace
|> 
|> 
|> 	 --
|>  	 Michael                      
|> 	 stailey@comm.mot.com    

	All lefthanded hitters, interesting...  Why is it
always the case that all the players we hear that have 
"beautiful" swings are left-handed hitters?
	I've personally never heard of a right-handed 
hitter with a swing described as "sweet",
or "beautiful".
(The highest complement to a right-handed stroke I can recall
is "short, compact, swing".) :-)
	Why is it so?  Right now I can think of no one,
but there must be some right-handed hitter with a good looking
swing...  
	Is it prejudice?  Many of the greatest hitters of all
time were lefthanded hitters (i.e. Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrigh, Stan
Musial, Rod Carew, Babe Ruth).  Is it because of that?

Just wasting some valuable time,


				The Candyman
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Another Jays Trade In Works
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:00:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.142601.6481@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:

>	Blah!  Capable setup man for Henke?  Are you talking about the same
>Eichorn that the Jays traded away because he couldn't throw?  And hasn't
>done much better since then?  Trading away Ward would be stupid.  He's
>a lot better setup man than Eichorn.  And if Henke goes down...who's our
>reliever?  I don't particularly care for Timlin, so if he goes, that's fine,
>but I doubt the Jays will get a good power hitter for Timlin.

Hasn't done much better since then?  Last year, Eichhorn was plain the best
setup man in baseball, and one of the best relievers.  Compare his stats last
year with Dennis Eckersley:

Pitcher A:	76 IP, 60 H, 11 HR, 9 BB, 2.96 ERA
Pitcher B:	81.2 IP, 63 H, 2 HR, 13 BB, 1.98 ERA

(I didn't put the K's, because that would have been a dead give-away.)

Pitcher B (with the better stats, IMO) was Eichhorn.  Pitcher A was Eckersley.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
GO TEAM CHINESE TAIPEI!
GO TEAM USA!	(Hey, I can sit on the fence, can't I?)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Redheaded Stranger Involved in Kill-Spree Bloodbath
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:00:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Distribution: na
Organization: MSD

In article <1992Jul20.221521.8526@cs.umn.edu>, lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance
"Not Here" Smith) wrote:
> 
> So did everyone see who was the AL Player of the Week?
> 
> What next? Jim Acker awarded Pitcher of the Month? (Well, his not playing
> has no doubt helped Seattle immensely.)
> -- 

I also understood that the AL Player of the Week stole home over the
weekend.  Someone told me he accomplished this by pulling out a small
revolver and shooting the pitcher, wherein he was able to 'strut his stuff'
from 3rd to home.

He doesn't still have that ball lodged in his eye socket, does he?

chuck

|- chuck mcmath - mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov - MSD, Inc. ------------|
|- National Library of Medicine - National Institutes of Health --|
|- Bethesda, MD 20894 ---- Not a Vice-Presidential candidate -----|
|- "Hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, swing" - Anon. -----------|
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/27 for Cs
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:30:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.000907.13658@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> NATIONAL LEAGUE
> Darren Daulton, Philadelphia	8.33
> Don Slaught, Pittsburgh	7.54
> Dan Walters, San Diego	5.53 <---- aha!
> Greg Olson, Atlanta		5.06
> Tom Pagnozzi, St. Louis	4.97
> Joe Oliver, Cincinnati	4.13
> Joe Girardi, Chicago		4.10
> Kirt Manwaring, San Francisco	3.85
> Mike LaValliere, Pittsburgh	3.76
> Benito Santiago, San Diego	3.74 <---- and this guy wants a Will
                                           Clark type contract!!













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From: kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Lundyphobic Kirsch)
Subject: Re: The Indians:  heads up the butt again (was Mesa form Indians?)
Organization: Dominican Deities - Juan Guzman levitation branch
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:56:57 GMT

In article <1478@cogsci.ucsd.EDU> king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King 'Kong') writes:
>OH MY GOD!  You mean to say the Indians gave up Kyle "I hit .343 last
>year with a .525 SLG and a .432 OBP *and* 50 steals in Class A last
>year" Washington for Jose "The Hose" Mesa?  A guy who at last count
>was hitting over .300 with a .400+ SLG and a decent OBP in AA this
>year?  If this guy is a day under 24 (hell, he's probably 22), this is
>an absolute steal for the Orioles.

  Um, that was a .436 OBP; I mean, don't sell the man short. Scads of triples
in there too, so I think it's safe to say he has just a bit more speed than 
Gary '6 flat 40' Huckabay. As far as I can tell, this guy is only 22. 

  This year, his SLG is just under .400 and his OBP is in the .370-.380
range. Not great numbers, but a 22-year old that did what he did last year
has time to come around. His BA is currently in the .290s.  

>It is to vomit.  What in the hell were the Indians thinking here?  Does
>anybody know?  Or am I missing something really obvious?

  I heard the Indians thought he would develop into a bad influence in the
clubhouse and they didn't think he gave 100% on the field. 

  Looks like the Orioles may have found that third outfielder they'll need to
replace 'slak or the OF du jour. 

-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch .... of the Warren Newson fan club 
kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu                       "Blue Jays all the way in '92"  
Congratulations to Joe Lundy on finally making it into the Guinness Book of 
   World Records as the first man to ever successfully braid his back hair!
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: How about 'em Braves
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:11:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Jul20.221657.23014@news.nd.edu> jortiz@bach.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.182822.22215@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, molly@uga.edu writes:
	[she wants an idea for a banner to take ot a Braves game]
	[The Candyman writes]
>	Deion:
>	Bo KNEW baseball
>	Bo KNEW football
>	Ask Bo, he knows:
>	STICK TO BASEBALL.


And Deion said that his favorite last year was the one he saw last fall.

	Deion this is your brain on drugs (picture of a football)
	Deion this is your brain not on drugs (picture of a baseball)

I kinda liked it also :-).  But this is your last week Deion - those
shoulder pads and helment are waiting after next Friday!  Plus a cool $1 mil.

-- 

Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 11:52:55 EDT
From: <34LI6RE@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Looking for a catcher's mitt

My 8 yr. old son is a huge baseball fan and loves to play.  His favorite
position is catcher, and he'd love to have a catcher's mitt, adult size,
as he has large hands.  New mitts in our area are $50-100.  Anyone out in
netland have a used mitt they'd like to sell?  Please e-mail if you do!

Holly Whitehead
34li6re@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:27:30 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: who is Martin?

   
I see Martin PH in the box score.  Would that be Albert Martin?

John Wehner is hitting .156.  Send him down.

Belinda gave up another dinger.  This is unbelievable.

Kings's hitting streak ended.  I am sure DiMaggio was worried.
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All-Stars....
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:06:03 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <QeOfiHe00WBMM1K=hW@andrew.cmu.edu>, tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
> 
> As Brandon Cope writes:
> 
>>Personally, I think AS selections should be based on the last half of the
>>previous season and the first half of the current season (disregarding playoff
>>performance, if any). Otherwise, its pretty silly.
> 
> So what do you tell Jack Armstrong, Scott Erickson, Charles Nagy, Mark
> McGwire, Brady Anderson, Doug Jones, Bob Tewksbury, Mike Sharperson,
> Darren Daulton, and Gary Sheffield?
> 
> -Todd

	I tell them "Too bad". I think it is silly to ignore half a season when
voting for All Stars. Then again, with the way most 'fans' vote, current
performance doesn't seem to come into consideration much.

Brandon Cope

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Subject: Re: Metrodome roof/et.al. was Re: Aturf
Organization: The Little Bravos of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:02:48 GMT

In article <64110@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:
>
>Here in Atlanta, we HATE the "homerdome" after last October.  And by the
>way you can ask Lonnie Smith about not only how hard it is to pick
>up the ball in that ballpark, but how hard it is to pick up the third
>base coach.   :-)

Three things:

1) It's not the Homerdome. MetroDome is only average as far as homeruns
   goes. It's been this way since they installed air condition, put up
   the Blue Meanie in right and raised the left field walls with plexiglass.

2) This sounds silly coming from a team that plays in "The Launching Pad".

3) Lonnie Smith needs no help from the MetroDome roof when it comes to
   losing fly balls. He's been doing it for years. I do think the problem
   with third base coaches is something new. B{)
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)        |  Why dost thou show, to the idle thoughts of
 Prove it! Show us your work!  |  Mediots, the things that are not!
    Huh? What's your point?    |                 _Jose Caesar_, V. iii. 67           
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: Score keeping on Lap-top
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:39:28 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.183505.23321@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, watts@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Mark Watts) writes:
> I have a Toshiba T-1000 laptop and would like to find some shareware to
> keep baseball scores during games.  This should allow someone with very
> little knowledge of score keeping maintain the book via the keyboard. If
> anyone knows of such a package I would appreciate some info. 
> My address is watts@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (205) 544-7554.

I'll second that. In fact, I'd like it to run on any MS-DOS box. And I
don't care if it is shareware...I'll pay big bucks for a good
package...preferably one that interfaces into a database so I can do
quick queries for up-to-the-minute batting averages, etc.

Please e-mail or call. Address/phone below.

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mild-mannered computer scientist -->|Phone|--> President. Pitcher. My knuckler?
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Phone: (613) 763-2135 Fax: 763-7241 +-----+    Phone: (613) 723-1580
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for 1Bs
Organization: NSSL
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:13:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.172914.1744@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>I have automated it a bit...  At least it saves my fingers a bit. :-)
>
>NATIONAL LEAGUE
> 1.  Fred McGriff, San Diego     10.56
.
.
.
>13.  Tim Wallach, Montreal        3.60
>14.  Jeff King, Pittsburgh        2.32
>15.  Andres Galarraga, St. Louis  1.87

You have to admire a guy who puts out such a great effort to 
defend his title as "Worst Offensive First Baseman in Baseball"
in the face of stiff competition from newcomers in the 
category.

>
>AMERICAN LEAGUE
> 1.  Frank Thomas, Chicago        9.30
.
.
.
>15.  Lee Stevens, California      3.01  (At least he's no Andres Galarraga)

Jealousy will get you nowhere, Nelson.

Harold
-- 
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Officially self-employed, self-speaking
Andres Galarraga (Through 21 July)  .194 BA  .286 SLG  .234 OBA
27 H away from .300  6 HBP  3 BB
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: OBPxSLG
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:03:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul21.164009.19888@brtph560.bnr.ca> usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015) writes:
>Yesterday I read in the Village Voice that they use team OBP times SLG
>to get an offensive measure of a team 

This is essentially "Runs Created per plate appearance", where Runs Created
is Bill James's stat that correlates pretty well with team run scoring.  At
the team level, it works quite well; tell the folks at The Voice that I'm
impressed.

>and ERA as a pitching measure.

Fine, as long as you take park effects into account.


-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Simulation Games
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:03:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.233531.12766@m.cs.uiuc.edu> silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman) writes:
>
>APBA doesn't handle it all that well, but their idea is basically correct.
>I'm in a PTP league, and one of the things I've noticed is that we are all
>very cognizant of extreme and inverse platoon differentials. In real life,
>if you rate platoon differentials on a scale of -2, -1, 0, 1,..5 with
>5 being extreme, and -2 being a fairly large inverse platoon differential,
>and if we could assign players their ideal platoon differential (what they
>would hit over, say, 5000PA) most hitters would end up with say, a 2, 
>most switch hitters with a 1, and most pitchers with a 2. If you base it on
>a given season, you'll get some 4s and 5s, some -2s and -1s. If you base it
>on a players last three seasons, you'll still end up with some 3s and some
>-1s or -2s, but nowhere nearly as many. You won't have Sid Fernandez in '91
>being hell on righties etc. I wish that PTP would go to this system for
>both hitters and pitchers, right now its often better to bring in a righty
>pitcher (who may have pitched all of 30 innings) to face a lefty than any
>of one's lefties (some of whom may have better overall stats) etc.
>It may not be quite as "statistically valid", but a) the validity is
>not evidenced if the players are used uncharacteristically, and b) in this
>case is may be preferable to sacrifice statistical validity for the sake of
>simulation and versimilitude.

However, I feel that PTP handled the situation basically correct as well, by
giving limitations to players who have small sample stats against a particular
hand of pitchers.  For example, Harold Baines, who batted .301 vs. lefties
with more power than vs. righties last season, was limited to 87 AB vs. LHP.
This makes a hastle while bookkeeping, but allows more accurate simulation,
IMO.  (BTW, I platoon Baines with Lonnie Smith, which is somewhat realistic.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: cjlee@laplace.waterloo.edu (Ironman)
Subject: Wow, Cito changes the Jays' lineup!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:44:30 GMT

Who says Cito doesn't change his lineup.  Check out the starting lineup
for July 26, 1992:

1.	ALOMAR		2B	<- Finally!  Alomar bats leadoff!
2.	GRIFFIN		SS	<- Lee would have been a better choice
3.	CARTER		1B	<- Hey, Carter is playing first base!!!
4.	WINFIELD	DH	<- no change, good.
5.	MALDONADO	LF	<- good
6.	GRUBER		3B	<- batting .230, 8HR... (a strike-out man)
7.	BORDERS		C	<- ok... batting .240, 9HR...
8.	BELL		CF	<- Finally gets some playing time
9.	DUCEY		RF	<- He should play 1B while Carter should
				   remain in RF...  ah well..

If anyone recalls, this is almost like my "dream" lineup.  hehehe...
Does Cito read this newsgroup?

Regulars not playing:	White, Lee, Kent, Olerud/Tabler (injured)
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