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From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:27:22 GMT

In article <17290020@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>,
filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>
>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>   greatful if they would share it.

OK. Every golfer has three swings. The cigarette swing.
This is the best. It is the one you have when you swing
at trash on the ground. The second best is the range swing.
My range index has always been 40% lower than the course
index. The third is the golf course swing. The worse.

Now, we all want the trash-on-the-ground swing. But Freddie
and a couple other smoothies have the patent on that. So, the
range swing is good enough. The only way to get your range
swing to the course is by having a preshot routine that
you do ON THE range as well as on the course.

Watch the pros before each shot. They do the same thing
EVERY time. And if they get distracted they start over.
But, don't you do this preshot thing on the course BEFORE
YOU HAVE PRACTICED it on the range and can do it repeatedly.
Otherwise, you'll play slower and be beat to death by some irate
golfer with a wedge and an evening flight scheduled.

My preshot includes standing behind the ball and vislualize
how the ball will fly to the target. I actually see myself
take teh swing on better days. Next I pick the intermediate
target and address the ball, align my club to the intermediate
target, then align my feet to the club, check my grip, ball position,
alignment and posture. Then, ONE practice swing at a very slow
pace and I visualize hitting the ball and watching it fly to
the target by rotating, NOT LIFTING, my head. I tell myself nice \
shot, joe. Move forward an inch and fire. It takes a few seconds
AFTER lots of practice and headaches. Forces me into the "zone."
ANd prepares me for success instead of failure. It's great for putts
too. I dropped lots of strokes by just this alone. There
are other things but for simplicity I put in only the most
important ones.

Practice this at the range, at home and at office because it will
slow us all down if you don't practice the routine and get it
down to about 10 seconds. (you can even practice this
without a club). But I have always found that ten seconds
preparation is better then the 5 minuted search for a lost
ball. So, please don't do it unless you can do it well.
It's much better than standing over the ball for ten seconds
frozen stiff and then trying to make a move on the ball.
Joe
From: csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Spin
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:15:36 GMT

SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO) writes:

>Even when I try to back up my
>wedge, it will check up, but not back up. What's the secret?

The quality of the greens you are playing on makes a big
difference.  When the pros play a tournament the greens at any
particular course have been brought up to their absolute best.
They are mowed close, the surface is at it's best and they do of
course produce more spin (but not that much more).

Next time you get to play a really good course with really fast
greens and that course is being readied for a tournament, have
an experiment then and see how far you can back up the ball.

Note however the pro's would rather the ball bounced once and
stopped. They know how far their clubs can hit the ball and that
is how far they want the ball to go. They do not want it to get
15 feet of backspin. Just look how annoyed they get when they
hit a perfect shot which pitches a foot or two short of the pin
bounces to a foot or so passed then backs up 10 feet.

Backspin is macho bullshit you want the ball to land and stop.
-- 
Craig Bishop			Information Systems Division
Email: csb@gdwb.OZ.AU		Geelong & District Water Board
Phone: +61 52 262506		61-67 Ryrie St Geelong
Fax:   +61 52 218236		Victoria 3220 Australia
From: filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:46:46 GMT
Subject: Practice/Play swing
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
   greatful if they would share it.
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Practicing during a round?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:43:53 GMT

In article <1220021@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
|> > ----------
|> 
|> Wrong.  Your Dad was hard done by.  The worst he was guilty of was bad
|> etiquette, for practising while his challenger had not finished the hole.
|> Maybe that's why the other guy got shirty, but all the same he was still
|> invoking a non-existent rule.  Once your Dad made the putt, the hole is over
|> for him.  The rules allow you to take a practice stroke on the hole just played
|> (or any hole already played ??). 

  I don't think a player is allowed to practice any shot once he's finished
  with a hole. I know practice putting is allowed, but certainly regular
  full shots are not. How about chipping? In any case, the player may indeed have
  to wait for all members of his group to finish before being allowed to practice
  anything. Anybody have a rule book handy?

-Ron Birnbaum
 ron@osf.org



Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From:  ()
Subject: Golf scores
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:15:32 GMT

Would anyone be interested in posting pro golf scores to this list as they got them in the paper?  
Does anyone out there really follow pro golf?  Does anyone out there follow the Hogan Tour?
Are there any relatives of pro golfers out there (I am)?  Can anyone suggest steps as to 
 forming a new newsgroup devoted to pro golf?  If you can answer any of these questions then you 
probably need to email me your answer.  
One nation under golf with liberty and pringle jumpers for all,
Brennan. J.Murphy.53@nd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley)
Subject: Shaft stiffness, Swingweight explanation?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:51:22 GMT

I would like to learn about the various ratings of shaft stiffness and
of club swing weight.  What do the stiffness ratings of S300 and R300
really mean, and how do they relate to some manufacturers ratings of
Stiff and Regular.  For swing weight, what do the various ratings mean?

I would appreciate it if someone could point me to a reference or 
explain these measures directly.

Thanks,
--
Charles K. Foley, Ph.D.
Cray Research, Inc.
P.O. Box 12746
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709			ckf@f16.cray.com
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Summary: There must be something to them
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:06:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I was a skeptic on new iron design as well as on metal woods,
until last summer when I played a round with a rented set on an
unfamiliar and difficult course on a rotten rainy day, and still
felt in control and had a decent game.  Over the winter I got a
moderately priced set of new technology clubs.  I had a tough time
picking out what I wanted, because every new technology iron I hit
in the batting cage hit perfectly and solidly, whether it was from
a $100 or $1000 set.  I took them out for the first time last
week, tieing my best on the course I played, in spite of 45 degree
weather, unputtable greens, rotten fairways, not having played in
5 months, and missing several greens because I didn't yet know my
distance ranges with this set.  For me, I doubt it is psychology,
since I didn't expect the clubs to make a difference.  I'm sold now!

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
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From: dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay)
Subject: Slow play by the pros
Reply-To: dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:20:56 GMT

Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love to watch players like Fred and Ray, but they
just seem to take forever to get ready to hit their fairway shots. I agree
with earlier posts suggesting that the pace of professional golfers can
contribute to  the amount of time it takes us to play a round of golf, but
why should they care about our time. They are out there to make money, and
have no reason to play any faster than they choose. 

Oh well, just letting off a little steam. All in all, I enjoyed the Masters
Tournament. Some unbelievable shots as well as luck. The most luck has to
go to Fred Couples and the way is ball stayed dry on the par 3 in the last
round. I couldn`t believe it didn`t roll into the water! The shot from that
position just goes to show how far Fred has come as a complete golfer, great
touch......

--
looking for a sig.
--
From: jrw@dptg.att.com (Jim Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf School Recommendations
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:55:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T BL Middletown/Lincroft NJ USA

This is posted for a friend, please reply directly to him at
hoff@hostel.att.com or an appropriately similar bang address:

    I am looking for recommendations and experiences people have had with
    Golf Schools or Clinics offering multiple day classes.  Questions I
    have include:
            Name?
            Location?
            Telephone Number?
            Description of classes?
            Description of course(s)?
            Costs?
            Are accommodations included (are they any good)?
            Anything else included?
            Was it worth it?
            Other comments?
            etc?

    Thanks,

    Andy Hoffman
    hoff@hostel.att.com
    att!hostel!hoff
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: rip Size - rule of th
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:51:35 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-15-92 14:35

F(> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
F(> From: foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley)
F(> Subject: Grip Size - rule of thumb?
 
F(> Can anyone tell me if there are any guidelines for choosing grip size?
F(> I have larger hands than average (not huge, just larger than average),
F(> and I am purchasing new clubs so I want to get the correct grip.
F(> 
F(> First, some history of the problem:
F(> 
F(> I have been playing golf for three years.  In my first year I used clubs
F(> with a standard sized Victory rubber grip and played shots that primarily
F(> sliced.  The grips seemed small to me though so the next year I had Victory
F(> cord grips installed with 1/32" tape underneath.  The grip seems more
F(> comfortable (except that I think a grip the size of a tennis racket would
F(> feel even better) but now I have developed a hook.  The hook is NOT due
F(> so much to turning my hands over as it is to regripping the club on my
F(> backswing.  I tend to slide my left hand (I'm a right hander) to a 
F(> strong position on the take-away which closes the clubface coming through
F(> the hitting area.
F(> 
F(> With my new clubs I'm tempted to go back to a standard sized grip since
F(> I didn't have the regripping problem with that size.  It could be that
F(> I should actually _increase_ the grip size to overcome this problem.
F(> 
F(> I'd appreciate hearing some net wisdom on this...
F(> 

     Charles,
              Usually grips that are too large promote a slice (they 
inhibit releasing of the hands) and too small of a grip can cause a 
number of problems. Is it now a hook or a pulled hook ? When a club is 
gripped the fingers of the left hand should be touching, not digging 
into, the palm of the left hand. The grip is also held more in the 
fingers of both hands not the palm. If I were you I would have someone 
competent check your grip (not the rubber but how you hold the club) 
or rent a video (Leadbetter I, Faldo's)....
              Good luck......... 
---
   RR 1.60 R001028: Since when was a phone for talking?
   RoseMail 1.70:
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From: spark@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Sooyong Park)
Subject: Wally's Golf Instruction Vedio
Keywords: Golf Vedio
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:25:29 GMT

Is there anyone who used Wally's Golf Instruction Vedio called
Maximizing Golf ?
It costs about $150 for three tapes.  
As far as I know Leadbetter's one is best selling one.
What do you think about Wally's instruction ?
I have been played for two years usually hit around 100.

Thanks in advance.

--Sooyong Park
(703)993 - 3684
spark@gmuvax2.gmu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Masters
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.121504.26155@cas.org> tjd28@cas.org (;A/3G) writes:
>
>I think the miracle on 12 was that the ball didn't go in the water!  The
>announcers made a bigger fuss about how difficult the second shot was going
>to be, but, come on, that was about as easy a chip as Freddie had all day.
>I'd rather have pitched from the side of that hill, than I would form the back
>of the green where he'd have to pitch from a downhill lie.  From the side of
>the creek, all Fred had to do was pop the ball up, which is very easy of an
>uphill lie like he had.  I practice that shot in my fionce's yard all the time
>as she has an uphill almost identical in slope to the 12th and I find that
>chips from the hill usually are my best ones.
>
>Don't take this wrong, I still think Freddie is the best in the world, I
>just think he had a lot of tougher shots than the 12th hole provided him with.
>
>Just a thought,
>		 Trav

I thought that because he could not take a normal stance
and had to chop down at the ball made it a quite impressive shot.

To get the ball up in the air was not the problem. To get it anywhere
near the hole was.

What was more impressive, I felt, was that bunker shot later on hole ??.
From where he was in the bunker it was a tremendous shot to get
it within 4 or 5 feet. 

Mike N.

PS
Fred's seemingly detached and cool attitude kept him from blowing
either of these shots (and of course the golfers best friend
A lucky break).
From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Test
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:37:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr9.163705.15101
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

This is a test.
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 3 Apr 92 15:34:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <13748@acorn.co.uk> rking@acorn.co.uk (Richard J King) writes:
>I am aware of the rule allowing me to gain relief by lifting
>and dropping a ball that is plugged in an area designated as
>being "through the green" , but what happens when the ball is
>plugged on the green itself?
>Am I allowed to lift the ball , repair the pitch mark and replace
>the ball on the same spot ?

Yes.  See Rule 16-1c; Rule 13-2 supports this, citing it as
an exceptional instance, and a legal instance of improving a lie.

And don't forget to clean the ball.

				--Blair
				  "Just don't lick it...them...whatever..."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Masters and a rule question
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:33:14 GMT

|> 
|> Anyway, this leads me to the rule question:
|> 
|> Just after Fred had chipped in the 2nd on 12 he found a ball in the water which he chipped on to the bank to test whether it roled into the water or not. The commentator on the channel  I was watching questioned whether this was legal or not. However, he |> didn't gave any answer to it. So:
|> 
|> 	Did Fred anything wrong at the 12 and what is the rule?

  Fred did not practice a chip - he merely retrived the ball from the water 
  after playing his own shot. Practicing on the course is prohibited - except for
  practicing putting on a green while waiting for your chance to tee off on the
  next whole - only if you nobody is hitting to your green, of course!

-Ron Birnbaum
 ron@osf.org


|> 
|> 
|> Odd Ivar Lindland
|> NTH, University of Trondheim
|> NORWAY
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From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:33:33 GMT

>>In article <1992Apr13.122056@kristyna.Prime.COM> dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay) writes:
>>
>>
>>>   Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
>>>   to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
>>>  18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.
>



In a round of golf a person makes about 2000 decisions (think
about it). At the Masters, these are all taken VERY seriously. Two, or
even one bad decision or mental lapse is the difference between
being Freddie Couples and Ray Floyd. (And in my opinion there is no
such thing as bad luck or good luck in golf.. If you think there is you
are paying attention to the wrong things).

If you take two average golfers (I believe for men a handicap of 17
on a course rated 113) and put them on Augusta, with the same
conditions (thousands of people, live TV coverage, life-time
implications) they would probably never finish. They would commit
suicide at about hole 4. Even without the extraneous conditions, a 17
would score over 100, hit many provisionals, and have a number of
of four putts. I think under the conditions the pros do very well to
just not faint.

I would personally help Freddie kill the official that asked him to
speed up play on Sunday. It ain't a $2.00 bet at your local muni
rated 103.

I don't think golf was invented to be played in a hurry. And for two
golfers to take just over two hours for nine holes at the Masters
seems acceptable to me.

Freddie may eventually go cold, as so many before him, but to say he
is not going to win again this year is like saying he was lucky at the
Masters that Ian wasn't lucky.  If he stays healthy, and paces
himself, he'll win again this year. In any event, I don't think Couples
will go the way of Bobby Clampett.

It's a good thing the PGA didn't take his card for shooting 73 a few
weeks ago!
joe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:13:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
>earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
>back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
>high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
>clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
>regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
>The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
>give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
>physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
>is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
>see for yourselves.

I'd be interested in the test results, but I'll tell you that any
interpretation of those results that claims an insignificant difference
between muscle-back and perimeter-weighted irons is out of bounds.  A
few years ago I went from MacGregor Muirfields to Ping Eye 2s -- the
difference was very significant.

If you really doubt this, I invite you to test-drive a set of Hogan Apex
Tour Grinds.  Take the 2-iron to a real-grass practice range and try
getting a ball airborne from a tight lie.  Unless you're about a 4 handicap
or better, each try will feel as though the grip has bees in it, and the
shots will be weak, low and to the left.

And this has nothing to do with your confidence (or lack thereof) in the
equipment.  It has to do with the application of modern technology (or
lack thereof) to the club in question.

Don't believe that game-improvement clubs are a myth.  Even if they
somehow don't work for you, they do work for many of us...
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: The 'MAJORS'
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:53:57 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <fragante.701977757@chilko.ucs.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
>In <1992Mar25.120121.1@qis.dofasco.ca> smith_p@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>>What is the history of the term 'THE MAJORS'?  Have these four championships
>>always been concidered more 'important' than any other PGA tournaments? 

The US Open (1895) and British Open (1860) have ever since
their inceptions been considered the two most important
tournaments in golf.  The Masters (1934) at first was a
sentimental gesture and now is considered to be the
crowning acheivement of any career, since the sentiment has
grown into legend.  The PGA Championship (1921) is merely
the championship of professional golf.

>As far as I know, the 4 championships that compose the MAJORS are known as
>the grand slam tournaments of golf. Like in tennis, where there are 4 "major"
>tournaments to win in a single year to complete a "grand slam", golf also
>maintains 4 "major" tourneys. No one has yet completed a grand slam (i.e. -
>won all four in a single year).

They are what the PGA would have us believe are the Grand Slam.
To be open-minded, one can say they're the "modern" Grand Slam.

The real Grand Slam, however, is the perfect set of victories
in the four original championships (the British and US Opens and
Amateurs) won by Bobby Jones in 1926.  If anyone else managed
to win all four it would not be the Grand Slam, but impressive
nonetheless.

It is considered improbable for anyone to attempt seriously
to win all four championships today, since there is so much
money in professional golf that a competent golfer would
be mad to remain an amateur long enough to get close to
the feat.  It may be impossible, since an amateur would
be out-equipped and out-trained, and would face professional
competition in two of the events.

Ironically, it's the legend of the man who hit the Grand
Slam that gives meat to the legend of part of the Modern
Grand Slam, since Bobby Jones haunts the Masters.

				--Blair
				  "Anyone know how to get
				   green dye out of mohair?"