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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.discordia
Subject: Re: read me:  read you
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:37:07 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan7.010455.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> ila@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Excluding the obvious one and Robert Anton Wilson novels, what are
>other enjoyable Discordian reading material?  (esp, if it discusses

Well, it doesn't involve Eris/Aneris openly, but subtlety is better...

Check out Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco... And to a lesser extent,
The Name of the Rose...

|All hail, Eris!(bet you're wondering if I'm writing
|this in the nude, aren't ya?!)

Now that you mention it... no, I'm not...

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From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Kurt Vonnegut III")
Newsgroups: alt.discordia
Subject: Re: read me:  read you
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:27:27 GMT
	<C0I5sL.CDo@ais.org>
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: spencer@ais.org's message of 7 Jan 93 21:17:06 GMT

In article <C0I5sL.CDo@ais.org> spencer@ais.org (Spencer PriceNash) writes:
>   I take it you can read while shitting, but not whistle while pissing?

    Only a halfwit would abstain from doing something obviously
worthwhile and fun just because Robert Anton Wilson invented a character
who told them not to.

--

   Nihil tam absurde dici potest, quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: alt.prose
Subject: Too Much Chagrin
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:29:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Brilliant lights in a fearsome blast.
They leave the world with something that lasts.
A happy smile, an apprehensive grin.
Or something that causes too much chagrin.
The fiery flames land on the ground;
Far in the woods, away from their birth-point.
From whence they flew into the air;
They land in the leaves and smolder.
Like the hate of humans they lie against the ground.
Mother Earth feels the heat and screams.
Hours later humans return to the birthplace;
With hollow tubes of water and cute little trucks painted red.
And much has died since the birth of the light.
Newsgroups: alt.prose
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The Architect Visits Art
X-To: WOODLAB@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:19:00 GMT

From WOODLAB@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: The Architect Visits Art
>annie@canetoad.UUCP (Picasso-puss) writes:
>>A human is an extension of the home which created it. To
>>call one homeless is to say that...cannot be...we do not...
>>our enemy.
>
>You really have a problem with thinking too deeply.

    You really have a problem.

                                                  Andrew

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From: CMOHNEY1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Christopher Mohney)
Subject: CCQ Debut!
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:07:38 GMT

 
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Newsgroups: alt.prose
From: WOODLAB@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: The Architect Visits Art
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:12:12 GMT

In article <annie.053u@canetoad.UUCP>
annie@canetoad.UUCP (Picasso-puss) writes:
 
>
>Postulate:
>A building is an extension of the mind which envisioned it.
>To call a building mindless is to say that either it has never
>existed, or that it has always been. It cannot be said.
>Instead, it may be that we do not wish to know such a mind
>or such a building. Ignorance is, at once, our refuge and
>our enemy.
>
>			*	*	*
>
>In Fort Worth, Texas are two museums. They face each other
>across a hilly green. One is the future, staring into the
>past; one is your best friend's home.
>
>The Museum of the Future crouches on a hill, four sharp
>corners turned against the sky. "I am steel. I am stone. I am
>the sum of my materials, nothing more." It shuns even the
>gentle wind.
>
>To enter is to start a fight. High ceilings and narrow rooms
>mock the art. The paintings, dejected, hang low to the floor,
>perchance to draw warmth from the humans who shiver and
>hurry past.
>
>"Did we see all the rooms?"
>"I don't care. Let's leave."
>
>The paintings weep, and their cold oily tears run down the
>canvases to muddy the vinyl baseboards. Blue-gray fluorescents
>drone victory.
>
>Escape.
>
>Look down the hill to a grove of trees. Your Best Friend's
>Museum lies concealed within, all but the seductive curve of
>the roof. Do the trees wriggle in anticipation, or has the
>roof winked to include you in some private joke?
>
>Enter the grove and become the hidden deer in an Ansel
>Adams photograph, surrounded by silver glowing tree trunks and
>
>the sound of water,
>lapping
>slapping
>gurling into your skin.
>
>A building lounges on the grass, flanked by two long shallow
>pools. On the library-wide steps leading up to a stone veranda,
>children play. Their laughter tumbles out sideways to displace
>the water, which flows over the sides and drains away.
>
>By some quiet trick the museum is filled, corner to corner,
>with good north light. Each room presents itself to you in
>happy, contented order--the curtseying offspring of proud
>country gentlefolk. You think that the hosts may step out to
>greet you, a steaming mug in hand. You want to drink the
>draught down and sleep. The paintings will stand sentinel
>and send you your dreams.
>
>			*	*	*
>
>Postulate:
>A human is an extension of the home which created it. To
>call one homeless is to say that...cannot be...we do not...
>our enemy.
>
>
>--
>....uunet!canetoad!annie                          canetoad!annie@uunet.uu.net
>
You really have a problem with thinking too deeply.
 
--Zoe
--The Champaign County Dog Killer
From: rmr@sgi.com (Robert M. Reimann)
Newsgroups: alt.prose.d
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:42:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Technical Publications, Silicon Graphics, Inc.

cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (No One Knows) writes:

>I'm sure this is an FAQ, but is alt.prose the right place for 
>	any type of story?

I tried to email you, but Cal Poly doesn't
seem to recognize your (account's) existence.

The answer is yes; any fiction is appropriate.
I posted the FAQ this morning, so you'll probably
get your answer there before you read this.


			Robert.
From: jlecount@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (Jason LeCount)
Newsgroups: alt.prose.d
Subject: Poetry Publication accepting submissions...
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:57:01 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: slipknot.eng.pyramid.com
Summary: new poetry publication...


Walnuts Quarterly, a new poetry publication, is now accepting original, quality submissions of poetry, essays on poetics, and black and white photography and
art.  We are looking for passionate work that is not afraid to be daring.

Deadline for manuscripts considered for the March issue is January 25, 1993.
Please send all submissions (no more than four poems at a time) with SASE
and a short biography to:

	Walnuts
	1311-B Hahn Ln.
	Chico, CA 95928

	editors: Anthony Cuellar, Jr.
		 Paul Michael Steven

The above is a non-profit organization and welcomes all submissions, even if
they do not arrive in time for the March issue.
----------------------------------------------

Please direct all inquiries to the above address.  I am posting this for a
friend who does not have access to the net.
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (No One Knows)
Newsgroups: alt.prose.d
Subject: Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:01:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I'm sure this is an FAQ, but is alt.prose the right place for 
	any type of story?

-- 
"Five to one against and falling...four to one against and falling...three to
one...two..one...probability factor of one to one...we have normality, I repeat
we have normality.  Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own
problem."		-from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
From: c60b-1fw@web-1a.berkeley.edu (Jacob Burckhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Date: 11 Jan 1993 01:25:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1a.berkeley.edu

At a Star Trek convention, the script coordinator of TNG and DS9,
Lolita Fatjo said that people could write to her or to Brent Spinar
at Paramount to ask about Spinar's cd.  They will send you information
on how to get the cd.
Xref: sparky alt.startrek.creative:2920 rec.arts.startrek.tech:7251
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Help needed with storyline idea
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:14:44 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan06.004159.5207@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.030811.15075@nwnexus.WA.COM> branch@halcyon.com (Frank Lee Branch) writes:
>>This is a quick guess, but in Star Trek 5 didn't Kirk assault a
>>terrorist take over of a joint outpost with phasers and on horseback.
>>Certainly if Star Fleet had real marines or commando's this would be an
>>awfully silly gesture.
>
>Yeah, but then again, ST V was an awfully silly movie. The horseback scene
>was just put in so that Shatner could show off his horseback-riding skills.
>
>Face it, ST V was just a huge ego trip on William Shatner's part...
>
>
>-- 
>"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

Another example of circular reasoning:
Star Trek V was a bad movie.  Why?  William Shatner was showing off.
And why is that wrong?  Star Trek V was a bad movie.
Illogical.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:19:35 GMT

In article <16B54BCF0.ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU> ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU writes:
>Is "Rear Admiral (lower half)" what used to be called "Commodore"?  I under
>stand that we haven't Commodore's in our Navy any longer, although we did at
>one time.
> 
>In one of the ST novels it was stated that there could be only one Captain
>on a given ship at a given time, and that if there happened to be more than
>one, the one who was NOT in command of the ship would be temporarily bumped up
>to Comodore.  Is this in accordance with actual Naval practice, and is that
>what happened to the rank in the USN, or did the novelist make that up?
> 
>jjd@cray.com (Jeff Drummond) writes:

Robert Heinlein wrote this in his novel Starship Troopers.  He had
the navy captains bumped to commodore and the army captains on
board the troop ships bumped to major.  He was usually very
accurate but I don't know if he made this up or not.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
| H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
|_________________________|____________________________________|
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: buxton@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (buxton)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:12:36 GMT

> 
>    I wasn't aware that Trois rank was honorary. When was this said?
> 
> 
>                                            Don Sowell

I believe that this was mentioned in "Encounter at Far Point" and I know  
she mentioned it in the Episode last season where she and Ro were trapped  
on the bridge and she took command.  She said that her rank was only  
honorary. (It was given to her even though she was technically a civilian  
counselor) A similar practice happened in the Navy during WWII and may  
still occur today with certain civilians.  Though they remained civilians  
they were given an assimiliated "equivalent" rank that determined what  
kind of quarters and respect they were to receive when stationed.  This  
also gave them access to such perqs as the officer's club, mess, and golf  
courses, etc. 

As an aside, the reason I started this thread was b/c I remember seeing  
O'Brien with a Lieutenant's rank.  I was just wondering why his more  
recent appearances left his rank to debate.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: Catherine.Collingwood@launchpad.unc.edu (Catherine Collingwood)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:01:25 GMT

In article <1ishljINNdk7@shelley.u.washington.edu> quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
>maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:
>
>>In article <ukutqf0@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean Murphy) writes:
>>|> It seems to me that the Star Trek rank system is based on the Navy's 
>>|> system. In the Navy, Chief is a enlisted rank and not that of an officer.
>>|> I wish that Star Trek would clarify if O'Brien is an officer or an enlisted
>>|> man. I feel that the non-commisioned officers and enlisted personnel on
>>|> ST should have different types of uniforms so that you can easily distinguish
>>|> their rank.
>
>    This would go against the military side of Star Fleet. I don't think it
>would be a good thing if the enemy knew for sure who the officers are.
>
>>     My theory is that O'Brian was enlisted with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.
>>Kinda like Troi. (Honorary LT.Comm) Later, he may have decided to enter the chain
>
>   I wasn't aware that Trois rank was honorary. When was this said?
>
>
>                                           Don Sowell

watch "Disaster."  Troi's rank isn't honorary at all, she's just very low
in the chain of command.  Crusher's rank isn't honorary either.

Lady Firebird
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: mwp@wam.umd.edu (Marty William Peck)
Subject: Help!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:20:22 GMT

Does any one out there know how I can get in touch with the writers
of ST:TNG and ST:DSN? I have some plot ideas that I'd like to pass on
to them. It's nothing like complete scripts, just some ideas. And
before anyone says anything, I don't care about any of the credits or
royalties, or any of that stuff. I just want them to take a look at
my ideas. If they accept them, fine, and if they reject them, fine. So
if anyone out there knows how I can do this please let me know.
                                       Thanks.
                                       Marty
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Troi's rank. (Was: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:48:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <C0pov3.6DB@cs.dal.ca>, maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:
> In article <1ishljINNdk7@shelley.u.washington.edu>, quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
>> maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:
>> 
> 	[A bit deleted]
> 
>>>     My theory is that O'Brian was enlisted with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.
>>>Kinda like Troi. (Honorary LT.Comm) Later, he may have decided to enter the chain
>> 
>>    I wasn't aware that Trois rank was honorary. When was this said?
>> 
>> 
>>                                            Don Sowell
> 
> 	In the episode (title?) where Picard get's trapped in the turbolift with
> three kids, and where LaForge and Crusher (Bev) face a plasma fire. Ro, O'Brian,
> and Troi are the only three on the bridge. Ro and O'Brian both turn to Troi and
> say something like "So what do we do?"  Troi is confused. O'Brian explains that 
> while her rank is honorary, she is still ranking officer (Lt.Comm).
> 	I'd love to quote this, but my memory is good ... not perfect. 8^)


The hell her rank is honorary!  She's a Lt. Commander in Starfleet Medical
Corps.  In no way is that an honorary rank, says the daughter of a Colonel
in the U.S. Army Medical Corps. 

As for why she wears civvies, well, she probably told the Captain that she
felt that in many cases the uniform was too intimidating for her patients,
some of whom are small children and adolescents.  So Picard gave her 
permission to be out of uniform while on duty.  Support?  In "Encounter
at Farpoint" Troi was in uniform.  After that, she was not seen in uniform
until "Future Imperfect."  (Granted, that was a holodeck image, but it
was extrapolted from current information in Riker's mind.  And Riker
thought it likely that Troi would go back to uniform at some point in
her future career.)  Again, in "Chain of Command(?)" Capt. Jellico said
that he preferred that she wear uniform on duty, so she did.  No protests
of "I'm really just a civilian."  She's an officer.
-- 

     -------------------------------------------------------------
               Lorna Payne
               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
     -------------------------------------------------------------
     The concept is simply staggering.  Pointless, but staggering.
                         -The Doctor (The Pirate Planet)
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From: sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:57:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

It seems to me that the Star Trek rank system is based on the Navy's 
system. In the Navy, Chief is a enlisted rank and not that of an officer.
I wish that Star Trek would clarify if O'Brien is an officer or an enlisted
man. I feel that the non-commisioned officers and enlisted personnel on
ST should have different types of uniforms so that you can easily distinguish
their rank.


Sean Murphy
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: jjd@cray.com (Jeff Drummond)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:58:45 CST

In article <1993Jan11.122526.17195@hemlock.cray.com> gn@cray.com writes:
>My understanding of the hierarchy of command in the U.S. Navy 
>is, from lowest to highest (sorry, don't know where warrant
>officers fit in):
>
>Enlisted:
>
>	Seaman Third Class
>	Seaman Second Class
>	Seaman 
>	Petty Officer Third Class
>	Petty Officer Second Class
>	Petty Officer First Class
>	Chief Petty Officer
>
>Commissioned:
>
>	Ensign	
>	Lieutenant Junior Grade (jg)
>	Lieutenant		
>	Lieutenant Commander					
>	Commander
>	Captain (the rank, not the command honorific)
>	Admiral (the more stars, the higher the rank)

Here are the grades of the U.S. Navy, at least as of 1966 (I think
something may have changed with respect to rear admirals not too long
ago, but I don't remember).  This is from a Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedic
Dictionary.

Grade Title
 E-1  Seaman Recruit
 E-2  Seaman Apprentice
 E-3  Seaman
 E-4  Petty Officer Third Class
 E-5  Petty Officer Second Class
 E-6  Petty Officer First Class
 E-7  Chief Petty Officer
 E-8  Senior Chief Petty Officer
 E-9  Master Chief Petty Officer

 W-1  Warrant Officer
 W-2  Chief Warrant Officer
 W-3  Chief Warrant Officer
 W-4  Chief Warrant Officer

 O-1  Ensign
 O-2  Lieutenant (Junior Grade)
 O-3  Lieutenant
 O-4  Lieutenant Commander
 O-5  Commander
 O-6  Captain
 O-7  Rear Admiral (lower half)
 O-8  Rear Admiral (upper half)
 O-9  Vice Admiral
 O-10 Admiral
 O-11 Admiral of the Fleet

 Warrant Officers are officers that serve without commissions; they rank
 above enlisted personnel and below commissioned officers.

>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Gary Nelson                            		gn@cray.com

-Jeff    jjd@cray.com
--
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From: mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Help needed with stor
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:33:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

> It's Kobyashi Maru as I understand it.

	I slo-mo'd my VCR on Star Trek 2, and the computer screen said
Kobayashi Maru.

MS
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