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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Greek Barbarism
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:52:11 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov6.011143.13019@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

>    Very few people seem to understand (or want to understand)multiple source
>theories(again see Argic).

Also, if you really want to see a lot of it, take the sheet off your
bed, shake it hard in a dark room, and then turn on a beamed flashlight.

  <<In 1865, immediately after enactment of the new Organic Statute for the
  Jewish community, and just as Jewish capital from Europe was beginning
  to have an effect in Istanbul, local Armenians and Greeks started a pogrom
  against Jews immediately across the sea of Marmara at Haydarpasa, terminus
  of the Anatolia railroad, with three hundred Jews massacred and many more
  beaten and raped before the disturbance was stopped after the Sultan sent
  his personal guard across the bay to protect the Jews [39].>>

[39] El Tiempo, 28 April 1926; Galante, Istanbul I,185; Galante, Documents V,
     340-41.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "5.1 Gav*0" surrenders its "palik" skirt and legs to "6.8 Kazim".
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 20:41:58 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <100649@bu.edu> gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras) writes:

>>YG: Ekeinh h kinhsh me ta poihmata ti apogine? Tha exoume synexeia?

>Siga t' auga...

Poor "Gav*0" has walked full force into a "Young Turk Web" in Michigan
(yet again). Well, anyway, during World War II Armenians were carried away 
with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that 
zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements 
as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: News/Haber
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:29:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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                               Milliyet
Tue Nov 10, 1992  2:59 am  EST
    -Ataturk cezasi artik kalksin. Olumunun 54. yil
donumunde ve kurdugu Cumhuriyet'te, Ataturk, orduda hala
ceza unsuru...200 kelimelik Ataturk kimdir? metnini
ezberlemeyene surunme cezasi cag disi...Ataturk'u gercek
yonleriyle anlatmak yerine, ilkel bir metni ezberleme cezasi
cag disi... Bu tur zorlamalarin ve cezalarin, Atatturkculuge
ve ilkelerinin ogretilmesine mi hizmet ettigi, yoksa tam
tersine, antipatimi yarattigi dusunulmeli.
    -Ankara'ya Kurt sorgulamasi. Kuzey Irak harekati
dolayisiyla bolge ulkelerini 14 kasimda toplantiya cagiran
Ankara, Washington'u telaslandirdi. Ankara'ya karsi ABD'de,
Kurt sorununu gorusmek uzere Cekic Guc'e dahil ulkeleri
toplantiya cagirdi. Yeri ve zamani henuz belirlenmeyen
toplantiya, cagirili olmadiklari halde, Talabani ve Barzani
de katilmak istiyor. Kurt liderler ayrica Ankara'nin 14
kasim toplantisina da heyet gondermek istiyor.
    -25 eski bakan YUce Divan yolu. Otoyol Sorusturma
Komisyonu, suclu buldugu Bayindirlik eski bakanlarindan
Cengiz Altinkaya ve Sefa Giray'in 4 yila kadar hapis
istemiyle, kararnameyi imzalayan 23 Bakan'in da gorevlerini
ihmalden Yuce Divana verilmesini onerdi.
    -Osman Ocalan pes etti. Turk Silahli Kuvvetleri'nin
Kuzey Irak harekatinda sikisan, PKK'nin lideri Abdullah
Ocalan, bir militanla birlikte silah birakarak Pesmergeye
sigindi.
    -Clington'dan mektup var. Yeni ABD Baskani Clington,
yakin arkadasi Senator Scott'la Ozal ve DEmirel'e birer iyi
niyet mektubu gonderdi.
    -Turkiye gelisiyor. Birlesmis Milletler Kalkinma
Programi(UNDP) tarafindan bir sure once hazirlanan bir
raporda insani kalkinma konusunda 160 ulke arasinda 71.
sirada gosterilen Turkiye yeni verilerle 57. lige yukseldi.
UNDP'nin raporunda Turkiye, egitim yetersizligi ve yasam
suresinin kisaligi nedeniyle 0.671 puanla 71. olmustu.
    -Vergi denetiminde Alman destegi. Almanya, Turkiye'ye
vergi dentimlerinde danismanlik hizmeti verecek. Almanya
Turkiye'ye vergi denetim uzmani yollayacak ve gerekli
malzemenin saglanmasi icin 160 bin marklik yardim yapacak.
Bilgi islem donanaimi icin de 250 bin mark katki saglayacak.
From: scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT)
Subject: Re: Camel Wrestling
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Nov 1992 14:02 EST  

In article <BxAyIB.5o7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes...
>scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:
> 
>>In case anyone's interested:
> 
>>Tonight (8:30 EST) on the cable channel ESPN there is to be a 30 minute
>>sports program about Camel Wrestling in Turkiye.
> 
>Whaaat?? 
> 
>You're kidding...CAMEL WRESTLING?????
> 
>Dave
> 

Not kidding.  In some small villages in Turkey, camels are somehow made
to wrestle or fight against each other.  How I don't know.  People do
not wrestle the camels.  I think the camels would always win that one!
It would be a tough hump to get over.   (I couldn't resist!)

Geoff



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.EDU (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: EDISON AMPULU NASIL KESFETTI? KURAN'DA AMPUL DIZAYNINA ILISKIN DETAYLAR
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:42:54 GMT


VI. KURAN'DA GECEN GULUNC HIKAYELER VE BUNLARA ILISKIN GULUNC ACIKLAMALAR

  Inanan bir insan kendi dinini iyi bilmelidir. Inanmaya karar verdiyseniz
  Kuran'i okumadan, sadece size anlatilanlarla yetinerek inanmayin. Cunku
  fanatik insanlar sizi inandirmak icin YALAN da soyleyebilirler.
  Ilkokul mezunu imamlarin agzinda sakiz olan, tamamiyla sahtekarlik
  kokan bu yalanlari siz de gorun ve bu gibi ot kafali insanlarin dinlerini
  kurtarmak icin ne yalanlar uydurduklarini anlayin. Ilginc olabilecegini
  dusunerek, bunlari anlatmak istiyorum.
 
 i. EDISON KURAN'A BAKARAK ELEKTRIK AMPULUNU NASIL KESFETTI?

  Nur Suresi
  35 Allah goklerin ve yerin Nurudur. ONUN NURU, ICINDE ISIK BULUNAN BIR
     KANDIL YUVASINA BENZER. O ISIK BIR CAM ICINDEDIR, CAM ISE SANKI INCI GIBI
     PARLAYAN BIR YILDIZDIR; bu ne yalniz doguda ve de yalniz batida bulunan
     bereketli zeytin agacindan yakilir. Ates degmese bile, yagin kendisini
     aydinlatacak! Nur ustune nurdur. Allah diledigini nuruna kavusturur. Allah
     insanlara misaller verir, O herseyi bilir.

  Edison, elektrik ampulunu icat ederken Kuran'dan yararlanmistir! Kuranin
  Nur suresindeki Allah'in nuru tarifine kafasi takilan Edison, oturup elektrik
  ampulunu tasarlayip, calistirmistir. Bes yil once Edirne'de Cuma namazinda,
  bir vaaz esnasinda soylenen bu ayetin arkasindan, ``Allah Allah'' sesleri
  cikararak bu bulusu tasvip eden cahul cuhala guruhu ve dogma buyume
  Hiristiyan Edison'u musluman yapan cember sakalli, portlek gozlu vaiz.
  Bu BULUSLAR ne zamana kadar surecek? Ne zamana kadar insanlar bu gibi
  YALANLARLA kandirilacak? Kuran'da bilimselligin eseri yoktur. Insanlar
  neden bu yalanlarla gercekleri ortmeye calisiyorlar? Beytullah Gultekin
  Cetiner bey umarim bunu bana, bos bogazlilikla degil, az ve oz bicimde 
  izah edersiniz.

  saygilarimla
  ------------
  kaya

  Not: Cesitli sacmaliklari bana bildirerek, aciklamami isteyen ve beni 
       bilgilendiren arkadaslara tesekkurler.
  Not:
       Sonraki yazilar
       1.  Kaptan Cousteau ``Kusto'' hangi ayeti okuyunca Kurani eline
           alip agladi ve sehadet getirip musluman oldu?
       2.  Kuran'da kadinlarin ``STEP DANSI'' yapmasi neden yasaklanmistir?
       3.  Bir kadin ``Ufurmeyle'' hamile birakilabilir mi? Zina esittir
           ``ufurme'' midir?
       4.  Hz. Musa kekeme miydi? Kuran'da Hz. Musanin ``konusma ozurlu''
           oldugu anlatilmakta midir?
       5.  Kuran'da ortunmeyle ilgili, basortusu takmaya iliskin gulunc
           ifadeler ve din cevrelerinin buna uydurduklari *aciklama*.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Time to AMEND ARTICLE ONE
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 14 Nov 92 16:57:40 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

[Amendment of ARTICLE ONE]
 
CONGRESS shall make no LAW respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of RELIGION...
 
(the Constitution of USA)
(key-words: Congress, law, establishment, religion)
 
I think it is time to make this Amendment more picturesque ? :->    
 
[Further Amendment of ARTICLE ONE]
 
CONGRESS shall make no LAW respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of RELIGION -
except of its own as it shall be ESTABLISHED by LAW made by CONGRESS....
 
(the Constitution of USA)
(key-words: Congress, law, establishment, religion)
 
Just because Pharaoh said :-> "Moses will alter your RELIGION."
 
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: gorgunm@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Murat Gorguner)
Subject: E-Mail adresi
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:18:12 GMT

Bogazici Univeritesinde okuyan bir arkadasimin E-mail adresini bulmaya  
calisiyourum bu konuda herhangi bir bilgisi olan varsa lutfen E-mail  
adresime gonderin.
Tessekkurler,
             Murat Gorguner.


Bu arada Benim E-mail adresim: gorgunm@alleg.edu
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From: gozlem@prism.gatech.EDU (GOZLEM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: GOZLEM DERGISI 20. SAYI CIKTI
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:51:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Gozlem Dergisi'nin 20. sayisi cikti.

Bu ozel sayida gecen yil Ohio State University'de yapilmis olan
"The Republic of Turkey: Its Role in the Context of
Recent Global Changes" adli konferansda sunulan yazilar
iceriliyor. Yazi basliklari ve yazarlar soyle:

 Ohio State University TSO      The Republic of Turkey: Its Role in the
                                Context of Recent Global Changes


 Victoria Rowe Holbrook         IMAGERY, IDEOLOGY, and REPRESENTATION:
                                Comments of a Chair at the Conference

 Serif Mardin                   SOME NOTES ON SOCIAL RELATIONS IN OTTOMAN
                                AND TURKISH HISTORY

 Henri Barkey                   THE RE-CASTING OF TURKISH FOREIGN POLICY:
                                TOWARDS A NEW SYNTHESIS?

 Gul Gunver Turan               OUTWARD ORIENTATION IN A ERA OF RISING
                                PROTECTIONISM AND COMPETITION:THE CASE OF TURKIYE

 Bruce Kuniholm                 TURKEY AND THE BLACK SEA REGION
                                ECONOMIC INITIATIVE

 Ozay Mehmet                    THE CYPRUS PROBLEM: THE PRESENT IMPASSE AND
                                FUTURE PROSPECT


Gozlem Dergisi'ne abone olmak icin asagidaki adrese $15 (ogrenciler
icin $10) yollamaniz yeterlidir.

                Gozlem Dergisi
                50290 Georgia Tech Station
                Atlanta, GA 30332


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: A request
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 11:12:38 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov6.102032@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:

>       Could anyone please mail me the scg postings of the past four
>days? (up to the post which precedes this.) Though we can receive
>all postings most of them get deleted - a disk space problem or worse.

Ah, those poor naive and ignorant "paliks".

  <<...As the peoples of Southeastern Europe achieved their independence,
   their Muslim and Jewish minorities were systematically persecuted and
   massacred, and those who survived were driven beyond the ever-shrinking
   boundaries of the retreating Ottoman Empire in a kind of slaughter which
   had not been seen since the dispersal of the Jews from Palestine centuries
   earlier.

   This sort of genocide had begun as long before as the late sixteenth
   century, with the Rumanian Principalities taking the lead, as united
   Rumania did subsequently during the later years of the nineteenth
   century. In 1579 the ruler of Moldovia, Peter the Lame, banished its
   Jews because of their competition with its Christian merchants. When
   Prince Micheal the Brave revolted against the Ottomans in the Rumanian
   principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia in 1593, he ordered the massacre
   of all the Jews as well as Turks in Bucharest.>>

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Race above everything and before everything," writes Nazi Armenians.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:39:32 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov12.042410.64233@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:

>Now, where were we? Let's return to the Armenians, shall we?

Why not, "kova"? It is not surprising, that parts of the Dashnaktzoutun 
collaborated with the Nazis.

 "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously
  pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,
  as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and 
  anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]

[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' 
    Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.
  
As a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots) 
was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in
Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but 
had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally
Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect
of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian
who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II.
In 1933, he had ben invited to the United States by the Central
Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the 
American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local
Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20
chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters
and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization.
Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy:

 "The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity.
  Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first."[1]

[1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), "The
    Armenian Displaced Persons," in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter,
    1949-50, p. 19, footnote.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Greece had only 17.5 years of democracy in its entire history.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 20:44:30 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bx8qsD.ICp@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:

|> Furthermore, the evolution of democracy leads one to believe that
|> the cradle of democracy is really in England, rather than in Greece.
|> The Greek version of 'democracy' was purely an accident. It was a 
|> product of the love of fallacy and a passion for sophistry of the 
|> ancient Greeks. No mechanism or method to make it worth was set 
|> forth, save a loose oratory. On the other hand, the British adapted 
|> the concept, developed it, turned it into a reality from a mere 
|> fantasy, and made it work. Had democracy really been an inherent 
|> virtue of Greeks would it have dragged its feet for so long to come 
|> to Greece? Even today, democracy is just so much as a catchword among 
|> the tourism slogans of Greece - not much substance and a lot of aura.
|> 
|> Serdar Argic

> Again- YOU better don 't use words like "democracy", 'cause there has 
>never been some in Turkey! (Waiting for some answers..)

You "paliks" make me laugh. The so-called 'cradle of democracy' Greece 
had only 17.5 years of democracy in its entire history. Before 1974 
Greece was ruled either by military dictators or monarchs. Greece
adopted democracy in 1974 when the ruling military junta fell as a 
result of Turkish intervention in Cyprus. In contrast Turkiye, three 
short termed military interventions withstanding, had multi-party 
democracy since 1950, for 32 years.

And the Greek-PKK collaboration is revealed in a report published
on December 29, 1989 in Eleftheria Dis Gnomis, a Greek Cypriot
newspaper. The paper admitted that 
              
 'two of the terrorists killed in PKK raids to Southeastern
  Turkiye were Greeks.'

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: ]Re: "The Greek Cypriot terrorists...."
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 20:22:29 EST

In article <100454@bu.edu> gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras) writes:
>In article <9211022018@zuma.UUCP> our ol' pal sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic/
>Hasan Mutlu/whoever-the-fuck-he-is) continues to enthrall us:
>
>For the record, folks, THE MAIN ISSUE IS, the origin of the name "Istanbul".
>Although it's well known fact that it originated from the Greek "is tin poli",
>(this was the supposed "lie" he refers to above) and I've even provided an 
>example of its documentation (The Ottoman Centuries, by Lord Kinross, bottom 
>of page 65 - I'm not going bother quoting it again), he insists it was called 
>"Islambol" (By whom? When? He doesen't tell us, nor does he even try to give 
>any evidence) long before the Greeks even "entered the scene". 
>
>Since the Greeks founded that city, in the 7th century B.C., and therefore must
>have been 'in the scene' at least since the city began to exist, I was hoping
>he'd explain to us how his claim could be true.

Especially when his concept of history is warped beyond belief. Islam was
created in the 7th century AD, after about 300+ years of being referred to as
Constantinople. And it was refered to as Constantinople for another 1300 
years. Where does Islambol come from? Then again, bogus history can only 
come from bogus historians, in this case from a guy who uses the famous
"I'm rubber, you're glue" method of dialogue. 

Chris

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: test
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:43:06 GMT


---
Birol Akdemir
Adress :
Institut fuer Theoretische Elektrotechnik
Appelstrasse 9a
3000 Hannover 1
Germany


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