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From: yamauchi@steel.mips.com (Alan Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How Do They Build Moguls?
Keywords: Building Moguls?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: yamauchi@mips.com
Organization: Mips Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: steel.mips.com

In article <1992Apr2.222005.10381@fivegl.co.nz>, hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
=> In article <1992Apr1.153629.6563@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:
=> >Now, for the Olympic Mogul run, or for professional events, someone very
=> >well may design and build the moguls, I don't know.  Anyone else....
=> >
=> 
=> I watched a team of instructors in Hundfjallet, Sweden, "build" the mogul
=> course for (I think) the '89 junior world champs.  They just skied the
=> fenced off course for a few hours at night, under lights, taking care to
=> space their turns correctly.  This created one of the most regular mogul
=> fields I have ever seen (surpassed however by the Olympic course at Tignes.)
=> I don't know if this technique is the norm.
=> 

A few years ago at Squaw, I was skiing North Bowl off of Headwall the
same day as the US FIS Freestlye Ski Team or whatever they were called.  
There were about 5 or 6 guys who'd picked one line down the bowl and skiied 
it continually edging fairly hard where they turned.  They managed to create
some fairly deep ruts and bumps that dropped straight off the back.  They 
were being video'd at the time, but they basically "made" their own
moguls/ruts.  One of them was carrying a small shovel that they'd used to 
build a couple of jumps.  Best bump skiiers I'd ever seen.  Tried skiing 
their line after they were done, but couldn't stay in it for more that 
three turns before having to bail.  The bumps they "made" were short, 
tight and rutted whereas everything else on North Bowl were nice, long 
and rounded.  The bumps they made didn't look anything like the bumps on 
the Olympic Mogul course.  That course looked too symmetric to have been 
"naturally" made


	Al Yamauchi

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From: mmendel@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Mark Mendel)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:27:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

If you are at least an advanced intermediate, then get
yourself a pair of slalom skis.  They are quick turning,
they hold on ice--all told the best all around type of 
ski for almost all advanced skiers.
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:30:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr9.163034.20028
Organization: AT&T

In article <122930120@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> brown@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Brown) writes:
>Anyone know of a good distributer for reasonably priced, effective
>helments for child skiers?  Most of the folks in ski shops in my area 
>give me an odd look when I ask if they stock these.
				   
My nephews (now 7 and 9) wear bicycling helmets.  I should think that
any ANSI- or Snell-approved helmet should be adequate for skiing, with
the added benefit that they double as bicycle helmets the rest of the
year.  You may want to size them to allow at least a thin hat under
the helmet.

By the way, I find it a little ironic that I'm seeing articles about
experienced skiers skiing into trees and lift towers and dying
(presumably from head injuries), intermixed with articles decrying any
attempt to enforce helmet usage...

John_Ampe@att.com
From: wright@slc.unisys.com (Bob Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Utah Snow Report for April 16
Summary: Shuttin' Down (Almost)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:16:23 GMT
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah Snow Report for Apr. 16
Obtained from Ski Utah (801)521-8102

                Total
Area            Depth  New (both in inches)
--------------------------------
Alta             72     --  closing 4/26
Beaver Mtn.                 closed
Brian Head       58     Tr  closing 4/19
Brighton         65     --  closing 4/18
Deer Valley                 closed 
Elk Meadows      45     --  closing 4/19
Nordic Valley               closed
Park City        30     --  closing 4/19
Park West                   closed 
Powder Mtn.                 closed 
Snow Basin                  closed 
Snowbird         69     --  closing in May, I think
Solitude                    closed??  No report, anyway 
Sundance                    closed

Weather today:  Scattered rain showers
Roads:  Clear.  Call (801)964-6000 for road condx.

It's just about history.  Yes, there may be more snow this 
season, but it's to no (or little) avail except to the local
water supply.  I heard last night on the news that the snowpack 
in Big Cottonwood Canyon (Brighton) is 32 percent of normal for 
this time of year.  Pitiful!

It's been a great winter for bicycling, anyway. :-\  There were
periods when the skiing was great, but that month (Jan. 6 - Feb.
6) of virtually no snow, followed by *very* warm March and April
(so far) weather, kept the overall conditions mediocre at best.
As Walt has documented, it was also a deadly season for avalanches
in the state, although no one was killed (by an avalanche, anyway)
within the boundaries of any of the downhill ski areas. 

Information on Utah skiing is available via anonymous ftp from
ski.utah.edu (Walt Haas).


Bob Wright

wright@slc.unisys.com
or rwright@ee.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: stuewe@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Stuewe, Robert B.)
Subject: Snow Conditionds - Independence Pass, CO.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  backcountry, spring
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:49:00 GMT


Does anyone have any information concerning the condition of the snow
on the 14ers around Independence Pass, CO.?  I'm interested in whether
the high peaks are into a melt-freeze cycle sufficient to set up the
snow for some good spring tele skiing.


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From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:18:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Saloman F9/S3 question
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that. I would like to know if this is true, or if what I've described
is characteristic of the F9's, or if possibly I just had a quirky
pair. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The idea that the bindings were in the wrong place was the first     
thing that came to mind.  I don't know about any European vs American
differences, but the fact that they were rentals/demos should make
you wonder about this.  What kind of bindings were on them?  Some
bindings not only adjust for the length of the boot but also can
be moved fore and aft a certain amount as a unit.  This allows you
to place your boot properly.  Most rental bindings I've seen only
adjust at the toe, so if your boot is smaller than the size they
optimized the binding placement for, you would effectively be
"too far back". 

jaym
From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:01:17 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <1992Apr14.094339.8424@btcase.bt.co.uk> nrp@btcase.bt.co.uk (Reece  
Peacock) writes:
> crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan) writes:
> 
> >In article <martel.703168473@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo  
Martel) writes:
> >>How I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ? The steel edges of my  
skis
> >>do grip on the ice if I'm standing still, as long I tilt the skis enough.
> >>But it seems to me that the skis are lying too flat on the ice when I turn,
> >>causing  sideways slide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for better  
skiers,
> >>they make fast, tight turns on ice with full grip. Any tips ?
> 
> >Push your knees forward and into the hill.  This causes your skis to
> >tip over more, carving into the hill more effectively.
> 
> Also you could try to push your downhill ski slightly forward as you complete  
your
> turn, this should make the ski slice into the ice (a bit like a knife) and  
give you
> more grip. It should also put more pressure on the tail of the ski and stop  
it
> washing out. One way to achieve this is to tense your calf muscle slightly,  
or
> feel the presure in your foot and more it back on the heel.
> 

Do you people really try these things?  Sounds like an awful lot to remember.   
I just try to stay centered over my skis, so that if I do slide, I stay with my  
skis (rather than have my skis slip out from under me)  I do my turns as I  
normally do, and rarely have problems edging on ice.  Of course, I did learn to  
ski in New Jersey and Vermont, so ice doesn't bother me.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
From: hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 21:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <122930111@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>While we are on the subject of bumps. What kind of skis do you mogul
>maniacs like best ?

My $0.02...

I had a pair of Rossi 7M last year.  I tried to convince myself that they
were good, but couldn't.  By the start of the NZ season (after skiing them
for 1/2 a season in France), they were dead... by the end of our season they
were so soft that the weight of the skis alone was enough to flatten out
the camber.  Also the sidecut is relatively straight, and the ski is heavy.
This all results in poor edge-edge response.  Maybe ok for bouncing from
bump to bump, but they don't carve.

This year... I've just returned from France again, this year skiing on the
Dynastar Vertical Assault.  Much better.  More of a slalom sidecut, stiffer,
lighter and much livelier than the Rossi.

>
>I tried a pair of mogul skis last weekend (Atomic 864 EX/M) and basically
>hated them because they were waaaay too soft.
>
>Incidently I was talking with a saleswomen at a local ski shop and she told
>me that Edgard Grospiron (olympic gold medal and world cup champ) actually
>skis on Dynastar coupe du monde (a slalom ski) eventhough the top skin
>looks like the vertical assault. 

Possible.  If you like a stiffer ski then a slalom ski might be right for
you too.

>The same sales women also told me that skis are built to last about 120 days
>of skiing. After that a foam core ski is likely to break and a wood core
>ski won't have any camber or spring left.

Of course many people keep the same skis for years and years - and others will
destroy them in a season or half.  120 sounds about right for an average.

Hugh.
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From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:54:22 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:

> In rec.skiing, haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas) writes:
> 
> > If the resort can't be sued for injuries to a skier, what mechanism is 
> > there to keep management on the straight and narrow?
> 
>  In what respect? Certainly the area has a responsibility to run the 
>  equipment safely (chairs that fall off the cable would be bad...) but
>  I disagree with the implicit assumption that the area is in some way
>  responsible for the manner in which people ski.
> 
>  ..glen

Yes and no.  I've had two major crashes in my skiing career and in neither
case was the area involved responsible in any way (e.g., cut the hill away
with grooming).  I landed on my tails after trying to handle a bump the
wrong way (weight too far back) and snagged an outside edge and hit on my
shoulder.  Both crashes resulted in significant injury (i.e., fractures). 
I'm sure a PI "ambulance chaser" could have found a way to make at least one
of these accidents into a case but despite $15,000 in medical bills (a topic
for another newsgroup!) which were 90% covered by insurance there was no way
I would have considered an action.

On the other hand, I have personally obsererved skiers either intoxicated
(alcohol primarily) or very clearly unable to safely negotiate terrain and
had virtually no power to alter the situation.  Instructors are told to
refer the problem to ski patrol.  While I have (and will continue) attempted
to either detain drunks or encourage the incompetent to seek more reasonable
terrain, I could be fired for doing so.  If an area fails to take reasonable
precautions and one of these charming souls trashes themselves or someone
else as a result of inaction, there is, IMHO, a partial liability on the
mountain's part.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.bicycles
From: bannan@convex.com (Bill Bannan)
Subject: re: bike&ski trip to Tuckermans
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 15:28:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

   Apparently Bikes are not allowed on the Tucks or Sherburn trails...
What a shame! Anyone know of any place in the east where such a combo
trip might be possible?
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Bill Bannan * bannan@convex.com * Albany NY office of Convex Computer Corp
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From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:41:54 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

> In article <2PTyiB1w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
> >smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
> >> It's had two effects on me.  One is that I ski better.  The other is
> >> that I have more fun because I don't spend so much time worrying about
> >> whether I am skiing better or not.  Seems the relaxeder I get, the
> >> better I go.  And, the better I'm skiing, the less work it takes, which
> >> makes me relax more, which is a really nice feedback loop.
> >
> >Ah, Grasshopper, to ski well is much like capturing a wild rabbit.  Run
> >straight for the rabbit and it flees.  Make as if your goal is not to catch
> >the rabbit and it is yours.
> 
> Lest it seem that I brag too much, this topic has also turned into a
> mail conversation with a few people, and here's an extract from a bit
> of my mail which feels relevant here.  (The quoted bit is from Liz at
> CERN, the answer mine.)
> 
> | Yes, but the reverse is also true :
> | I fall over, I worry about what I'm doing wrong, I ski worse, I fall
> | over ......
> 
> True, sometimes it breaks down.  Last time we went skiing, we did a
> really good run down a steep, narrow, icy, but smooth, black.  Felt
> so good, we said 'Hey, let's go try that nasty black mogul field we
> saw on the way up the lift'.  About a third of the way down that, I
> suddenly discovered that I was having trouble believing that I didn't
> need to worry about it, and it all fell apart.  Oh well...  [At least
> I know what to work on next year.]
> 
> -- 
> Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
>  P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132

This reminds me of Douglas Adams' bit about how Arthur Dent learns to fly: 
throw yourself at the ground and miss.  

I don't know about Ms. Ferguson's book, but I know that Denise McCluggage is
very big on imaging: picturing yourself skiing well.  During the Olympics
there were several scense of skaters and racers running their events
mentally in advance of the actual performance.  While it's not possible to
"image" a whole free fun, working on an image of a particular turn style is
quite possible and recommended.  When things get out of sync, stop and run
the image a few times.  

And some days you just have to admit that you're a bug on the windshield of
life; enjoy the ride and view while you can.  <grin>

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From: camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (B.J.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SLUSHY SKIING
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr16.132527.6979
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92107.103615ACROWSON@ESOC.BITNET>, ACROWSON@ESOC.BITNET writes...
>In article <1992Apr15.213340.29683@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
>st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu says:
>>
>>I have a question... Everyone complains about slushy, mushy conditions.
>> ... deleted ...
>>but for recreational skiiers I can't immagine anything better.  I am an expert
>>skiier, can anyone tell me if I'm CRAZY, or if anyone else has this same love
>>for SLUSHY SPRING SKIING?
>>
>I'm not an expert skier but I like slush too. What I don't like is the morning
>after, when the slush is pretending to be concrete again. Last weekend in
>Verbier we were skiing with this concrete -> soup transformation during the
>day, and I decided what I really hated about the early mornings was the NOISE
>of the skis clattering over the ice. No real problem skiing this sort of ice,
>because it's "textured" by skiers or machines before it freezes, but it's
>so LOUD! Any thoughts on what would make a quiet ski (which also works well
>on ice and in slush!)?
> 
.....wear ear plugs or stay in bed....

seriously, those early morning death cookies are tough, especially with a
hangover.  Everything chatters, my skies, my boots, my legs, my hips, my
teeth, even my eye balls.  Those are the morning I go in after one or two
runs to retighten all my nuts and bolts.
-BJ-
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fineman@markov.arc.nasa.gov (Charles Fineman)
Subject: Re: Kirkwood 04/12/92
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.015128.20243@leland.Stanford.EDU> poahbear@leland.Stanford.EDU (David G Lawson) writes:

     Skied Kirkwood for the first time yesterday. Nice mountain ... but we
   thought $35 was a little steep (Blackcomb or Squaw it wasn't...).

     9:00 am - Broken cloud and gusty winds. Hard-packed but good coverage.
	       Definitely enough snow to make it worth the trip. All lifts
	       except for 7,8 and 9 open. Snow getting thin at the bottom
	       but plenty on the best stuff at the top! Would consider
	       a half day ticket next time though ... hard-packed + little
	       grooming restricted our skiing for the first few hours. The
	       Wall was on a "hard-snow hold" much of the morning. But ...
     11:00am - Everything softened up. Great runs off Solitude. Started to
	       snow. Moguls ("like butter") everywhere ... great fun! Hardly
	       anyone there as well!
      2:30pm - Called it a day as it began to snow heavily. Having listened
	       to the snow report I only had spring gear!

What a shame! I stayed until closing. It was snowing pretty hard and
by the end of the day, there was 3-4 inches of fresh stuff. It was
cold enough that it didn't melt. I had a BLAST on my final ( :-( )
afternoon of skiing!!! I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK YESTERDAY CAUSE IT
WAS STILL SNOWING WHEN I LEFT! *sob*




From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:57:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> >
> >Bullsh*t!  When the knees hit the chest, it is because the skier has
> >f*cked-up and is using strength to overcome his bad technique.  One 
> 
> Take a look at the Olympic bumps comp, and look at the range of styles.

I already responded to this "Olympics" argument.


> ...lots of knee movement.  The knees absorb the shock, the bigger the
> shock, and the deeper the bumps, the more the knees must move to keep
> the upper body quiet. This is NOT bad technique.  It is relaxation, not
> strength, which leads to large knee movement. 

If your "knees" are absorbing bumps, how come you're legs get tired?  It's
your leg muscles (strength) that's doing the absorbing.  

Many times I see college-aged guys with strong legs go bashing down bump
runs.  Straight down the hill, bang, bang, bang.  Except for the lack of
aerials, they look just like Olympic mogul bashers (until they crash like
rag dolls).  All strength (and stupidity) and no technique.


>    I will challenge you any
> day to ski in our bump fields here and not occasionally hit your
> chest.  I am talking about short, deep bumps here, not big cruisy
> ones.  You have to adapt to the terrain.
>

A little overconfident, aren't you?  Are the bumps down under worse than
the ones in the Rockies?  If we ever get to each other's home areas, sure,
I'll ski with you.  How about a 2000' verticle bump run... with no poles?  

John
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:33:59 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia

In article <122930110@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes) writes:
>>
>>Good bump technique involves a _lot_ of knee movement.  In big bumps,
>>the knees of good skiers will almost hit them in the chest or chin.
>>
>
>Bullsh*t!  When the knees hit the chest, it is because the skier has
>f*cked-up and is using strength to overcome his bad technique.  One 

I'm sorry, but ill informed comments like this get up my nose.

Take a look at the Olympic bumps comp, and look at the range of styles.
Thes guys know what they are doing.  You can't ski like that without
lots of knee movement.  The knees absorb the shock, the bigger the
shock, and the deeper the bumps, the more the knees must move to keep
the upper body quiet. This is NOT bad technique.  It is relaxation, not
strength, which leads to large knee movement.  I will challenge you any
day to ski in our bump fields here and not occasionally hit your
chest.  I am talking about short, deep bumps here, not big cruisy
ones.  You have to adapt to the terrain.

--
Dave Harsant,
AOTC Telecommunications Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au