From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Stop it! (was Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos))
Organization: just me
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:55:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <Bw5AEI.Hq0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>Did I say random?  No.  And not for offense, either.  And when I say "non-MA,"
>I mean someone who isn't going to retort with an outside jumping crescent kick
>from hell.  Believe me, I using shuko vs. a non-MA does NOT mean I'm going to
>tear them to shreds.  I'm by no means exceptionally strong.  So get OFF my case
>already.  It's self-defense, and I hate guns.  I see why people are somewhat
>flustered by what I said about using shuko (or any other weapon) against
>non-MA's.  Sounds arrogant, but it's not.  Now if I were a black-belt, yes that
>would be extremely "bullyish."  And the fact is, I just don't have the time nor
>money to take hapkido or TKD right now, so I'm winging it.  The reason I said
>my combos would, IMO, be good against non-MA's is to differentiate from saying
>that the combos are good against MA's.  No way.  Most likely, if I tried my
>combos on a yellow or orange belt, or above, I'd lose.
>
>As far as the redneck bit: The rednecks around here do NOT take martial arts
>(in this context, karate, TKD, hapkido, etc. etc.).  Not the dumb ones, at
>least.  There ARE actually open-minded ones who will sit down & learn t'ai chi,
>but most of the big-shot motorheads would just say "That's fer queers" or
>whatever.  It sounds stereotypical, but they are NOT really friendly around
>here and they think everyone but themselves is "queer," and if you ever had a
>hostile confrontation here, it's most likely going to be an ego-inflated
>redneck who wants to "kick yer ass" for fun.  It's not great, and I've been
>tossed around by these people, and after they leave, I just fume because I
>couldn't defend myself.  And no, I don't think the shuko are going to help
>that, I just have an interest in exotic weapons (and a will to learn how to use
>them).  So please dont' bitch at me when I say that I have some move or combo
>that could surprise or hurt a non-MA.  Why would I attack a MA, when I myself
>am a non-MA?  So don't flame.  I read&post to this group to learn what I can,
>not to get flamed by people who think I want to kick some butt.  I never
>attack, and if I am BEING attacked by someone, I want to be able to not back
>down and to actually stand up.  (I guess you can say being pushed around since
>kindergarten may have pissed me off)  :)  Maybe martial arts isn't the answer
>to my inability to stand up & defend myself.. I don't know, but I wish I could
>do something about it..

Ah...You see Sam, we didn't know this about your earlier post.  You sounded
like someone who had enough training to be dangerous, but not enough
judgement to restrain yourself.  Clearly this is not true.  It's good that
you at least explained now.

My suggestion is to try to find a  club at Indiana that does MA.  You should
be able to study something for free.  Failing that, find a local school and
offer to clean up, do books, answer visitor's questions, etc. in return for
training.  Just like if you don't get into MIT, you could apply to be a 
janitor at night and take the courses during the day.  Failing *that*, find
someone who studies and knows some stuff and grovel at them to teach you.

I understand completely the helpless feeling; I've felt it at the end of a 
baseball bat, over a year ago and I still want to dismember the guy.  But
seriously, training by yourself will limit your ability and make you more
likely to try something that will either get you hurt, or so damage someone
else that you go to jail, or get visited by his buddies at 2am.  What you
want to do is to learn something that allows you to do what is necssary and
no more.  Weapons can often lead to massive damage; of course, in some
situations, not having them is bad.  So proportional response must be
ingrained.

How about it, anybody know of any training available near the University of
Indiana?
>-- 
>Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
>shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |

David Pipes
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