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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Trimarian-Meridian Relief Fund
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:48:23 GMT

Here's an update on the Relief Fund . . .

The IRS in it's haste to be helpful gave out a bit of erroneous data.

The *Fund* is Tax Exempt--there is no tax liability on moneys received
for those running the Fund, but the Fund is *not* tax
deductible--donors can't take donations off their taxes.

Current intent is to shut the Fund down when all SCA needs have been
met, or donations run out/are spent.  If there is money left over,
those running the Fund will ask if they want any money back.  Any
money left in the Fund will be given as a general donation to the Red
Cross.  In the mean time, the head of the Fund (the Seneschal of
Trimaris) is thuroughly documneting the whole process and everything
they're doing.  The documentation will be written up and made
available as an aid for any future, similar, needs.  (Copies of the
final document will probably be sent to the kingdom Senschals by the
Steward.  Think of it as a "How To" guide, should you ever need one.)

As for our folks . . .

All Trimarians have been accounted for.  The last one has to be
located has had threats muttered at him--he'd moved out of the area
that was severly hit and hadn't mentioned this to anyone.  He didn't
know anyone was concerned about him.

The area hardest hit in Florida has *3* bank branches operating.
*Just* three . . .  Some SCA folk are without jobs (their places of
employment simply aren't *there* anymore), and the ones that still
have jobs may not get paid for a month or more due to power and
banking problems.  The Relief Fund will be (in part) helping with
those sorts of problems.

The SCA branch closest to the damaged areas in Louisiana was in an
area that others were evacuated *to*.  While there is some damage
sustained by SCA folk, it is generally quite minor so far as is known.
The Senschal of Meridies is going to continue taking 'contact reports'
until this Friday (there are still communications problems in the
areas that got hit) before ending data collection for damage
assessment.  Meridies is probably going to remove itself from the
relief fund due to lack of need.

One point of interest in all this. . .  These net postings have
apparently been generating quite a lot of calls to help with the fund
and to find out details.  It looks like the Rialto is functioning in a
very useful in this case.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Patty Rayl
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:30:35 GMT

Would Patty Rayl kindly reply to this message?

Aryk
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Going through channels (was Re: almost live steel.)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:15:55 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  

Hal made a point in replying to Berwynn's question about live-steel
demonstrations that I'd like to illuminate.  He wrote:

> Have the fighter in favor of the idea call the Steward and have a chat
> about it.

> The SCA insurance isn't intended to cover damage to SCA folk--it's
> primarily liability to cover the folks we rent sites from.  If you
> really want to pursue this--call Hilary.

Hal, I think you are a victim of being in over-close contact with the
corporate officers; this is not good advice to a local officer.  Local
problems should not be taken directly to the Steward; that's what regional
and kingdom officers are for.  Indeed, the corporation very explicitly asks
that we ALWAYS go through channels, whether requesting information or
bringing a complaint.  Berwynn's question is not a complicated one: Three
or four people were able to give him the correct answer, with reference to
the correct corporate policy, within a day of his posing it.  The same
thing would have happened if he'd phoned his kingdom seneschal or earl
marshall with his question.  Taking simple, routine questions to the
Steward is exactly what causes that job to become unmanagably
time-consuming (and which thereby prompts the corporation to create more
paid staff, raise membership fees to pay for it, and get larger and more
intrusive in our day-to-day operations).  If (and only if) the kingdom
officers are unable to answer the question, then the local officer can
_write_ (not phone) a corporate officer for more detail.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Viking Tents
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:17:25 GMT

Sixteenth century illustrations of military cantonments clearly depict tents
which closely resemble "viking tents", pitched in rows.  The tents seem to be
pitched more broadly than "viking tents"-- they are wider than they are tall
-- but they seem quite similar in principle.

They also seem to be pitched without sod walls.

Aryk Nusbacher
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From: eris@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Chris Beckmeyer)
Subject: soap ingredients
Keywords: sources?
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:21:25 GMT

greetings-

awhile ago i received much help from this group in locating soap recipes in-
cluding a rec.crafts.* group name.  i'm now asking for assistance in locating
a source (preferably in snohomish county) for lye.  i'll be saving saving wood
ash over this winter to leach my own for next year.  for now i need the
commercial kind.  any help is greatly appreciated.  email please.

thank you-

chris


Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:55:01 -0400 
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Robin Hood Recast

Good gentles,

Having completed a rather major academic project (or at least phase "one"
of said project) and being on hold for a much LONGER but much more joyful
NON-academic project (my lady Eromene is a week and a half overdue and
the sonogram says the baby of as yet unknown gender is a big'un -- 85th
percentile of all newborns -- 8.5 lbs. or thereabouts) and...

Well, given all that stuff, I thought I'd jump on the ol' Covington
Cross/Robin Hood bandwagon and encourage folks to "recast" the "greats"
of the Robin Hood mythos with famous folks from their corner of the SCA.
Who would YOU like to see in the following roles for YOUR kingdom,
principality, or territory's production?

      Robin of Sherwood
      Maid Marian
      The Sheriff of Nottingham
      King Richard
      Prince John
      Little John
      Will Scarlett
      Friar Tuck

For that matter, does anyone have any nominations for the 
"All Rialto" version?  Perhaps...

    o Aryk as Robin (for his still-boyish good looks)
    o Dorothea (this is virtual, folks) or perhaps Esmeralda as Marian
    o Dafydd ap Gwystl (Count Sir, with twirly mustaches) as the Sheriff
        (or maybe Ioseph if he'd change his clothes...)
    o Arval as Prince John (who _was_ counted as an able administrator!)
    o Cariadoc (in his 6'6" electronic persona) as King Richard
    o Hal as Little John (he seems taller to me, too!) or maybe Tibor
    o Vajk as Will Scarlett (he looks the part and has great hair!)
    o Hossein as Friar Tuck (he has the appropriate force of will!)

Well, folks, that's just a first pass at it -- try your OWN hand at
fitting your friends to the roles -- and share the best ones with
the rest of us...  (Like, perhaps, an all PENNSIC version...)

If I've inadvertantly offended anyone by either including or 
excluding them, my apologies in advance -- I'm coming
off an all-nighter to finish that major academic project and am
overly silly at the moment.  Of course, the _old_ favorite used
to be casting "The Princess Bride" with SCA-folk, well before 
the movie appeared...  I'd best head off to sleep before I get
even MORE silly...

Much obliged, good friends -- let's hope I have great news to share soon!

My best -- Bertram             (Oh!  Apologies if part of this double-
                                     posted, we had a minor snafu...)

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Bertram of Bearington                                      Dave Schroeder
Debatable Lands/AEthelmearc/East               Carnegie Mellon University
INTERNET: ds4p@andrew.cmu.edu                         412/731-3230 (Home)
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      "He indulged in every excess, yes in each licentious whim..."
From: hamilton@adi.COM (Cindy Hamilton)
Subject: Accents in the Movies
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:51:18 GMT

I don't have a problem with actors using that educated-sounding British accent
if they're playing nobility; I don't have a problem with peasants using a
regional British dialect [preferably not the ubiquitous RenFair Cockney (which
comes from an urban region anyway)--any other dialect is fine.]

To me, this usage simulates the difference between upper/lower classes, not
British versus American.   

And if the upper-crust types are supposed to be speaking Norman French, I
don't want to hear "this OUTRAGEOUS French ac-cent"--if it's their native
tongue, they won't have an accent (to their ears, which for the duration
of the movie, are mine).  

To me, viewing a movie in which people are supposedly speaking a language
other than Modern American is a little like telepathy; I don't need to hear
the accent.

(I also feel that way about the Current Middle Ages; if someone speaks to me
with an accent, I feel like I'm listening to a person with a speech impediment.
Angelica speaks Italian, yet she understands everything she hears.  She
just doesn't think about what language it is--that would certainly transform
Angelica back into Cindy in a hurry.)

Anyway, my two favorite uses of accent in films are not from Medieval works.
I liked Frank Findlay's Welsh accent in "The Molly Maguires".  But the best
was "The Fourth Protocol"--when the Russians are speaking among themselves,
the actors use their regular American accents (well, Ned Beatty uses a
homogenized "anchorman" accent, rather than the more southern accent I suspect
is natural to him). However, when one of them same Russians does a tv interview,
he has an accent like a Russian speaking English.  Beautiful!

Well, this is a bit off the subjects we usually discuss here.  Thanks for 
listening.



Written on the last day of August,
in the reign of Ronin and Katya,
at Casa Salone Rigararsi,
in the Shire of Cynnabar, 
Middle Kingdom




Cindy Hamilton
Applied Dynamics International
3800 Stone School Rd.
Ann Arbor, MI  48108
(313)973-1300

hamilton@adi.com
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Bad interkingdom reputations (was Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:16:34 GMT


In a previous article, Aryk Nusbacher wrote:

>[T]he king of
>Kingdom A is going home in two weeks, and doesn't care what the people in
>Kingdom B think of him.

Oh, I don't know.  Mistress Morgana bro Morganwyn has been spreading the
story of how awful Sir Han the Mighty was to her when he was Crown
Prince of Trimaris (or was it King?) one year at Pennsic through at
least a half dozon kingdoms so far.  Ask her to tell you the story of
"the vaguely squarish man in Tudor garb" sometime.

Mikjal Annarbjorn
"Never make a bard angry with you"
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:20:25 -0400 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Accents (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)

>|>worse than the daughter's supposedly real English accent? did most of
>|>the cast, in fact, graduate from the Kevin Costner School of Lousy
>|>English Accents? A good half of them didn't sound English at all -
> 
>And what of it?  If we are talking about historical realism, what makes you
>think that British Received Pronunciation (a.k.a BBC English, Public School
>English) is any more aauuthentic as a representation of fourteenth century 
>accents than Great American English.  If you want authenticity in accents, 

OK, I didn't see the show. (The description in the tv program guide --
"a knight struggles to raise his children" -- was just too far gone for
me.) But this accent question, especially the reference to Kevin
Costner, is really absurd.

Help me out a little here, you medieval historians, but in a show about
14th century English knights, the majority of characters would have
primarily spoken NORMAN FRENCH. The knights would have been the
descendants of William the Conqueror's Norman cronies, who swarmed into
England after Hastings, built castles to defend themselves against the
general populace, and continued their marauding, horse-riding Norman
ways.

Which brings us back to Robin Hood and Kevin Costner. In most Robin Hood
legends, Robin is a member of the pre-William nobility (so his father
would not have had a castle, by the way -- a Norman "innovation"), who
became a sort of anti-Norman guerrilla. This explains why the "steal
from the rich, give to the poor" idea caught on. Anyway, Robin would
have spoken some form of early English, but it would have been
unintelligible to us. So, Costner's accent was as historically accurate
as anyone's in the film -- which is to say, NO ONE's accent was even
close to being right. Actually, the single most inaccurate accent in the
film was that of Alan Rickman. NO WAY would the Sheriff of Nottingham
have spoken anything other than French. Of course, Rickman is generally
credited as the only one who spoke with a correct accent. Hooray for
Hollywood! 


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Thomas
Carnegie Mellon University

Q. What is the mystery word in Steve Miller's The Joker, 'Some people
call me the space cowboy ... some people call me Maurice, cause I speak
of the [     ] of love?'
A. The word is 'pompetus.'
Q. What does pompetus mean?
A. It doesn't mean anything.  Steve made that word up.  That's why some
people call him the space cowboy.
(Source: Dave Barry.)
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle at the War)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 18:10:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Hallo!,

I think that a large part of the problem with marshalls getting swung at
(and thankfully it's a VERY small problem) is the "standard uniform" of
the marshallate.  Most marshalls (but  certainly not all) wear a black
tabard with the crossed yellow swords on it.  Swords tend to be
somewhat hard to see on any constrasting field, and yellow on black is
not real high on the visibility charts (black on yellow is, which is why
road signs use it).  Plus, a high percentage of the fighters on the
field tend to also be wearing black, making instant identification all
the more difficult.

(An aside:  Can anyone tell me why, with most of the US in a temperate
to subtopical climate, black armor is so popular?  Or does testosterone
poisoning affect the parts of the brain controlling common sense?)

If the marshallate wants to be easily distinguished from the combatants,
they should be wearing something that is easily visible and instantly
distinguished from anything that most combatants would wear.  Reversing
the current  marshall's badge is a good possible suggestion (ie, black
swords on yellow).

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:10:38 GMT

On 28 Aug 92 07:23:00 GMT, Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) said, in a discussion of scofflaws:

Moreach> The others, who are simply being boorish...a court of chivalry is an 
Moreach> excellent idea.

Moreach> (Eggs are good, too!-)
Moreach> (No tomatos though, tomatos ruin paint, and are OOP!-)

Eggs ruin paint, too, as I discovered to my grief when the Vandals
were out on Hallowe'en.  

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: various and sundry
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:19:39 GMT

In article <0095FF37.BCF143A0.23640@geology.ucdavis.edu> helm@garnet.ucdavis.EDU writes:
>Vehicles at Pennsic:
>
>Tow 'em all, and dump them in the lake!  (Just an opinion, mind you :-)

Is the lake so polluted already that this wouldn't make it worse?

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Stephen Bloch)
Subject: Re: Grand Pennsic
Organization: Computer Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:29:33 GMT

T Archer says:
>>  I still don't have it clear why the Pensic War has suddenly gained a 
>>  politically correct name.

And schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
>>Because the Kings and Queens of the Middle and East made it so.  In
>>the words of Douglas Adams "This has been widely regarded as a bad move."
>>
>>Don't expect the Pennsic Mistake to be repeated.  I'm sure hoping it
>>won't be.

Well, "constabulary action" was indisputably silly.  But Pennsic has
NEVER, to my knowledge, resembled a medieval war.  In the beginning it
resembled a mass tourney, and now it more resembles a festival with a
mass tourney as one of the traditional events.  This is not a matter
of 20th-century political correctness but one of historical accuracy.

Of course, there are p.c. issues too.  A few years ago as I prepared
to head off to Estrella my landlady was somewhat distressed that I was
looking forward so eagerly to a War, which is not a reasonable thing
for anyone to look forward to.  She eventually wrote the BoD and the
Steward to complain about this nomenclature.
Again, last week I was telling Pennsic stories to a friend who's long
been on the outskirts of SCA society -- she has numerous friends in
the SCA, she spends a lot of her time with Morris dancers, etc. -- and
she said "Does anything happen at Pennsic other than fighting? I've
often thought of going to Pennsic, but it's a war, and I basically don't
like wars."  Naturally, my response was "Heavens! There's so much going
on at Pennsic that I haven't had time to watch the fighting in YEARS!"

			     mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib
-- 
					Stephen Bloch
				sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Multiple titles (was Edward Zifran of Gendy)
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:33:51 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug31.181137.14182@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
  A title is not a recognition of what you've _done_, but rather of
>what you _are_.  I realize that when people use title strings they intend
>it as a gesture of respect, but I would remind you that respect, too, is
>given for what you are, not what you have listed in the Order of
>Precedence.  No collection of titles can increase it, and omission of
>titles won't decrease it.
	I like this view, and it's the right one. A gentle isn't a Laurel
or Pelican because of what they've done, but because of what they are, an
example to the rest of us.
	I was discussing the new East Kingdom King's Order of Excellence with 
Justin the other day. It is an order of merit based on authenticity of person 
and accoutrements. Justin said it is silly because it goes to exactly the
sort of person who doesn't need it. I said that I thought it was the best
award we have because it rewards the best the SCA can be. The recipient doesn't
need it, but I'm glad everyone else can see that kind of stuff rewarded.
								-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.174749.20425@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>In article <c3tn02Nd1foh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
>branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
> 
>> A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
>> by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians
>> (Radnor's household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's
>> also called the Radnor round.
>
>Yes, but what IS it?

Gee . . .  And after what looks like a period description was given . . .

Take a half circle and a half square.  Fasten them together.  Or, take
a heater.  Cut the bottom point off along a circular arc.  Either way
the shape you get--round on the bottom, square on top is the shape
you're looking for.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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