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From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: images of females
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:26:30 GMT

fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin) writes:
>thank the spirits for middle eastern dance!!! nothing like seeing a woman 
>with a mother goddess figure dance rings around a little creature with a 
>washboard >>stomach, and steal the show right away from her!  and 
>seeing *all* types of figures and styles of movement work, with their 
>particular advantages.  *that'll* clean your stereotype cupboard out....

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>Agreed. You can't belly dance without hips and bellies and much back. In a 

radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
> Whoops, Paul, you seemed to have missed the part where Liz says "and 
> seeing ALL type of figures... work, with their particular advantages".
> 
> Having seen hundreds of bellydancers over the past 10+ years, I've found
> that it's the dancer's skill of movement and ability to project his/her
> feelings to the audience that makes a great dancer.  NOT their body
> structure.
> 
> THAT is what makes bellydancing so wonderful.

Yup.  I, too, have seen literally hundreds of belly dancers, but I
haven't had the 10+ years experience that Lynne did.

I've seen women who were overweight (by *my* standards, which is
really saying something) who were *entrancing* to watch, because
they were very very very good.  I've seen women who were so skinney
that it's painful for me to *see* them -- no significant breasts or
hips, ribs showing -- whose dancing made me unable to leave the
room.  And everything in between, as well.  I suppose I need to
say that I've seen mediocre and poor dancers of all body types,
as well.

It isn't what you *look* like that makes you a powerful dancer,
but what's *inside*.  It isn't what you look like that makes you
a powerful *PERSON*, but what's inside!

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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Xref: sparky alt.pagan:10165 rec.music.folk:6648
From: idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:21:37 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:

- In article <17608@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsi
- >In article <1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe
- >> Well, the song is "Little Boxes", written by Pete Seeger.  According  to
-
- >Would you please post the Sing Out! reference to this? I would have sworn
- >by all god/desses living, dead, and unborn that this song was Malvina's.
-
-       Can't give a reference, but CAN provide an upper limit timestamp:
- this song was on a live Pete Seeger album my parents had prior to
- 1965.


I have a copy of that album somewhere, (I'll dig it out and post the reference
and exact quote later.) and it states very clearly on the album jacket that Mr.
Seeger didn't write "Little Boxes". The author was/is female, though I can't
remember her name.



' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
 
Bright Blessings to you and yours!  
 
Hawk
 
Circle of Ashtoreth, 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

Newsgroups: alt.pagan,sci.electronics
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:44:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.032551.26918@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
>In article <2AD0E0AD.21246@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>Actually, I've always wondered if it wouldn't be feasible to place some
>sort of "physical interrupter" in line off the main breaker box leading
>to a satellite box, which fed all "sensitive" equipment.   The interrupter
>I tend to imagine would be a lot like a big, motor/solenoid driven switch
>which would break the circuit and insert a dielectric (or maybe two layers
>of dielectric around a ground bar) ... sort of like (on one pole):
>
>                                              ---
>        ====== --- ======              ====== XXX ======
>               XXX
>           (switch on)                   (switch off)
>
>The real questions are, 1) would this work, and 2) would it be realistic
>from a cost point of view?  Obviously for installations with a lot of
>equipment, some form of isolation system would be better (I knew one
>person who used a motor and generator coupled with a fiberglass drive
>shaft, but he lived in a very lightning prone area and probably owned
>more computer equipment than Cray Inc. and the NSA combined).
>But for the average homeowner who uses electronic equipment and can deal
>with interruptions during electrical storms, this sure seems a lot more
>convenient (and probably safer) than running around yanking plugs all
>the time.
>
>Comments?

Lightning is going to be much faster than any physical implementation
will be able to react. This is why the best uninterruptable power supplies
are in-line as opposed to switching. In a switching UPS, when the power
goes out, a switch is thrown to activate the battery. Yes, this happens
in a couple of micro seconds, but sometimes it's just not fast enough. In
an in-line UPS, however, the battery is always active and constantly 
charged while there is external power. As soon as external power goes
away, the battery is already there. No time needed for switchover. You
had a nice idea, but it's physically impracticle. The best bet is to plug
all your equipment into one switch console, and plug that into you UPS.
The UPS plugs into the wall, and then you only have one plug to take out.
The battery in the UPS should last long enough to let you gracefully power
down you computer and peripherals. Most batteries allowe around 15 minutes
depending on the load. Make sure you get a UPS with sufficient wattage
to accomodate all your equipment. A laser printer draws around 800+ watts,
so a 1000 watt UPS would be needed for both printer and PC.

Bb,

Corun
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm)

Re: what's everybody else's?

9/21/51 8:33 AM Memphis Tennessee.  Close enough to the equinox to
make Sabbat celebrations my birthday parties, too.

-storm

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle [Was:  Request for Info - Samhain]
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:21:01 GMT

Ailsa --

Would you also say that rejecting homosexual imagery is not, essentially,
rejecting homosexuals?

Just curious,

Marty

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: cats and magic
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:23:12 GMT

In article FE8@ddsw1.mcs.com, eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
> >>radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
> : 
> : Does anyone else have cat stories to share?
> : 
> : Lynne
> : ------------
> : lynne@hpnst.mayfield.hp.com<<
> 
> 
  sure there once was a cat .. he walked by a chinese restaurant .. 
and like i said .. there Once WAS a cat ....


 hehehehehee ... couldnt resist.. i am not really fond of cats .

  Steve C.
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:31:45 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <kbennett.717708868@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:

>Well let's not even mention that Kate Bush's album _Hounds_Of_Love_
>contains a hymn to the Goddess as well as a "you are there" kind of song
>about the witch trials.  A general mysticism pervades the whole disc.

>Gotta love it.
 
Gotta doubt it. You're talking about 'Jig of life' and 'Waking the
witch' right? These are both part of 'The Ninth Wave' which is a concept
half-album about a woman drifting out to sea after a boating accident.
'Waking the witch' is a wierd song and for me expresses the terrified
struggle of drowning. I don't think it has any definate reference to the
witch trial, rather they are used as an image to suggest terror.
'Jig of life' has nothing to do with paganism or Goddesses as far as I
am aware. The drowning woman is confronted by the ghost of her future
who begs her to live ("C'mon let me live girl"). I have to agree about
the mysticism though...and it has 'Cloudbusting' (a song about
psychologist Wilhelm Riech). Cool album. 

Ollie...
 
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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Men's Mysteries
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:02:43 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <NBNTRB1w165w@eagles.uucp> hulda@eagles.uucp (Hulda
Thunarsson) writes: 
>
>                        Rites of Passage
>
>The following is on Norse rebirth and rites of passage taken from an article
>written by, Edred Thorsson in a quarterly magazine:

I take it that the whole article was by Edred then? What are your
opinions on it Hulda?

For myself, while it was an interesting and scholarly account, it
seemed to suffer from a confusion of purpose in one point: initially
the recipient of these rites was referred to as a 'person/figure'.
There was a curious '(male)' in the list of attrributes:

>                2. apperance of a (male) sponser... (often related to the
>                                                     mother)

The examples, while all male and all drawn from a single mythology,
were fine but then it became clearer and clearer that it was a male
person being spoken of.

>I think using the above outline/formula could provide a very powerful and
>long remembered rite for the young man. Depending on wheather the boy has been
>raised pagan or if you wish to introduce him into the pagan community at this
>time, I feel its flexible.

>I think the feast should envolve some type of ritual acceptance of
the lad.

So one gets the impression that Eldred feels rites of passage apply
only to males. And yet:

>As for age... the female spieces does not start the menstrual cycle at a set 
>age, therefore I think the timing of the male "passage" should be left open
>to each individual.

So first menstruation is (reasonably) taken as timing the rite of
passage for females. Why then did the article deal exclusively with
males? Is this viewpoint particular to Eldred, or a general part of
Asatru?

Apart from this, the article was an interesting account of initiation
into adulthood in the Gremanic tradition(s). Thanks for posting it.

--
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Subject: Re: Power (a reply of sorts)
Summary: about newage (FLAME BAIT!)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:57:16 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <2AC383F4.3072@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura) writes:
> 
> >[quotations deleted]
> 
> I'm surprised I'm the only one the talk about this; then again, maybe
> I'm not . . .
> 
> I consider the New Age to be mostly a marketing phenomenon that makes
> people pay exorbitant prices for perfectly common spikes of dogtooth
> spar and clear quartz and that's about it.  It's there to make money.
> Some "New Age" philosophies are kind of neat, but I'm skeptical of the
> movement as a whole.  I guess it depends on how you define New Age.
<deleted> 
> Blessings,
> Janis 

About newage: actually I sent email to Bran about his latest sig, but
at this point I feel that I should make this as a post: to me, newage
is repackaged supermarket tabloidism for the spiritually and economically
affl(at)uant and intellectually challenged (i.e., they got more money than
brains, total and abject fear of commitment, and too damn lazy and 
intellectually irresponsable (as in, "it ain't *my* fault!") to approach
something seriously, *especially* something that marks you as "different".
Just like what we used to call plastic hippies, and the punks call poseurs.
They put on their "in" clothes & accessories, go do something innocuous,
and come home, and put on their work clothes, and go back to loan sharking,
or lawyering, or forclosing mortgages, or whatever. They see the world
(as far as I can tell) through *opaque* rose-colored glasses, and  reality 
checks register a zero. They're also the one who'll "be there when you need
them", and dissapear in a puff of incense the first time something might
affect *them*. 

So yes, I get insulted when called a newager. And yes, I am uncomfortable
with the word religion, given its definition as commonly used (when you
start talking to people who understand why a circular argument is invalid,
the conversation begins to drift into what is usually considered semantics
and philosophy). I will add that the usual definition of religion is
"church on Sunday", or "the guy on tv's right, how DARE you argue with him
(you might be wanting to make me THINK!)". In other words, yes, as the
literal opiate of the masses (tm).

	(flame off)

To copy someone's .sig from a while ago, 
	q: How do you tell a New Age Witch from a Real Witch?
	a: Load all their crystals on them, and toss them in the water.
		The New Age Witch will sink.

	mark
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: another poem
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:02:14 PDT

Re: Re: another poem
By: cortese #0 @skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) USEnet      
 
> After hearing so many net men personally flame me for all the times they
> got turned down for a date because they didn't make enough money or
> drive a nice enough car, I have a real hard time taking this seriously.
> The next time that cute little number you're interested in laughs at you
> and then turns around and dates the schmendrick in the next cubicle who
> drives a BMW, tell me this again with a straight face.
> Blessings,
> Janis 

As a member of the collective class "net.men", I am completely confused
as to why ANYONE would personally flame you over a woman who didn't
have to be you turning him down over a date. Have I missed something
obvious or what? 

As for the relationship between $$$ and getting dates... that is not something
I need explained to me, I figure that until I start making serious money
again, I'm out of the dating game. 

                                                 A.Lizard
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech....definition
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:28:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <3220034@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
>darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>
>> often I take out my old yearbook and look at the pictures of my old
>> tormentors, trying to banish their influence over me, and look with
>> deep sadness at my own visage from those years, which positively
>> radiates self-hatred, and tell myself, "You're not him anymore."
>> Sometimes I even believe myself.
>
>When I look my old yearbook, I mostly think, "You were so dumb to let 
>them hurt you like that.  They were mean and spiteful, and you should have 
>just shrugged it off."  But it doesn't work that way.  I can say that now, 
>but back then I didn't have that self assuredness.

This kind of disturbs me.  When seeing myself, I've goen through "That's
not you" a lot.  Now, I'm doing my best to tell myself, "She didn't know
how to stop that, and no one else knew either.  She did her best, and
she tried so hard to like herself.  Finally, she suceeded."  I CAN'T
tell myself that that's not what I was, and not a part of me.  That
skinny, ugly kid with the glasses IS me, or a part of me, and I don't
want to turn her out in the cold any more than she already was.  She
deperately needs for someone to hold her and tell her that she's a good
person and someone loves her very much -- that's my job.

Neither I nor you COULD POSSIBLY have shrugged that off.  Nowdays we
could, but that's because we exercise a lot more choice in our social
circles, and can tell people to fuck off and die.  Then, we could not.
It was impossible to shrug it off, and don't expect yourself to have
done that, Lynne!

Richard, that yearbook kid already hates himself, and all too many
others do, too.  Love him a little.  He needs it.

Sorry to say this; I don't want you to think I'm criticizing you or how
you handled what you went through.  I'm just asking you to please love
those sad people in your past; they need someone to love them very
badly.  They were hated and despised by everyone who came in contact
with them, including themselves.  They don't need hate and comtempt
from you guys, too.

Blessings,
Janis 

P.S.: However, when I look at the pictures of my tormenters annd think,
"You probably got what you deserved," there IS a little malice lurking in
my head, and I admit it freely.  I'm not proud of it, but I'm not going
to say it's not there.

>When I look at my yearbook, I see my old tormentors and think "you probably
>got what you deserve in life."  It's not said with malice or hate, just
>based the experiences I got later in life.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.drugs
From: wmichael@emunix.emich.edu (Walter Michael)
Subject: Re: Witchcraft & Hallucinogens
Keywords: atropine belladonna datura witchcraft
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:15:55 GMT

       Be *very* careful when experimenting with
     anything containing the class of compounds
     contained in belladonna, datura, jimson weed 
     etc. Speaking from experience... they definately
     have a narrow range of tolerance depending largely
     on your metabolism.
       The hallucinations unlike LSD are "true"... that
     is you actually see something which is not there!!
     On the downside of the experience I believe the
     active components metabolized into something moderately
     toxic. There were significant body spasms and a 
     general feeling of being poisoned. Don't know if I'd
     do it again but it was interesting to say the least.
       If you decide to try jimson weed I recommend a tea
     taken in *small* doses over at least an hour. There is
     a book "Legal Highs" which gives more details on dosage.

                                  -Wally 
                                   wmichael@emunix.emich.edu
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: thunderstorms
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 03:59:55 PDT

Re: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
By: bwhite #0 @oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) USEnet      
 
> Actually, I've always wondered if it wouldn't be feasible to place some
> sort of "physical interrupter" in line off the main breaker box leading
> to a satellite box, which fed all "sensitive" equipment.   The interrupter
> I tend to imagine would be a lot like a big, motor/solenoid driven switch
> which would break the circuit and insert a dielectric (or maybe two layers
> of dielectric around a ground bar) ... sort of like (on one pole):
>                                               ---
>         ====== --- ======              ====== XXX ======
>                XXX
>            (switch on)                   (switch off)
> The real questions are, 1) would this work, and 2) would it be realistic
> from a cost point of view?  Obviously for installations with a lot of

Yes, it could be done... it would work (to a certain extent, though diverting
the incoming current to ground would be better) , it would cost about $35
as a mass market black box...

If you decide to run ALL your "sensitive" equipment off it, you will be
rewiring a chunk of your house. 


Such a circuit would have a rather significant response time (a few seconds)

There are more conventional solutions, such as gas discharge lightning
arrestors that do indeed divert the current to ground and work in the
microsecond range.
Bright Blesssings
  ***  93  ***
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