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From: Mark Conti
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:00:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 25590@cs.cornell.edu, caldwell@cs.cornell.edu (Jim Caldwell) writes:
>I was up on the Salmon River in Pulaski N.Y. last Saturday.
>
>I saw two large live Chinook dragged along the road and into the parking lot by a
>cigar chomping fisherman; someone yelled, "He gonna have bad road rash."  I saw a
>nervous snagger under the Altmar bridge looking anxiously up to the road and
>casting into the fly fishing only section of river. I saw a gauntlet of forty to
>fifty anglers throwing flys, standing shoulder to shoulder, upstream from my
>position on the bank of the same section. I saw the drunken Russian fishing the
>slot next to mine snag my line with his and yank it in, angrily yelling to his
>friend on the far bank.  I saw a hooked fish leap and then end a short run by
>knocking a startled man off his feet while five others yelled "fish on! fish on!"
>I saw a Chinook swimming downstream, a fluorescent red fly hooked through his lip
>attached to a short leader attached to a full length of limp green fly line
>attached to nothing.  I saw two Japanese fishermen in waders in animated
>conversation over their lunch of big Mac's, fries, and Coke.  I saw a strong
>Chinook fight upstream through a powerful rapid, his black back fully exposed to
>the afternoon air, and then watched him glide slowly through a section of nearly
>perfect laminar flow, not five feet from my stance on the slippery bedrock bottom.
>
>Jim Caldwell
>Ithaca, N.Y.                    


  Ahhh the Salmon river! I once got my foot stuck in some roots to a
tree and was being swept by the water. No one would help for fear
of loosing their spot. 
 My co-worker watched a guy catch a Salmon. He left his spot for quite
a while. So my workmate step up to cast. Suddenly this angry Salmon crazed
fisherman procedes to argue that this is his spot. When my co-worker
wouldn't leave, the guy opened his coat to reveil a gun tucked inside
his belt. My friend said "Your going to shoot me over a fish"? My friend left. 
 One guy I know witnessed a man who had fallen in. He was being swept by
the fast waters along with his waders on, he could not get up. The people in fear
of loosing their spots, just raised their poles to let him by. Shock at this,
this guy went over and grabbed him and helped him out. 
 Many a crossed line with another fisherman has been politely cut
instead of untangled. Every year there are fights and very unsportsman
like conduct.
 Its an exciting river to fish. I don't want to put all the guys up there
in this catagory. I've met alot of great guys, but the others out weigh them.
 I haven't been up there for a couple of years. I live only 45 minutes away, but
have lost a desire to "fish" there. Is it still the same Jim? 
  
---
Mark Conti			
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From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Flyfishing in Alaska
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:45:09 GMT

Hello All,


     I want to build a custom fly rod for my father for his birthday.  He
lives in Alaska and regularly fishes for salmon, trout, anything.  I was
thinking about a 10 foot rod, with probably 12 lb line and matching reel.

     What kind of rod blank should I look for ?  What length ? Any line weight
suggestions ?  Reels ? How about the "snake" type of line guides ?

     I have an idea of how tough the rod should be, but whenever I've fished
up there, it's always been with a spinning rod so I really don't know about
fly rod specs.

Thanks,

	Sean



Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: misha@cs.washington.edu (Michael Rabinovich)
Subject: Re: need information for fishing in USA parks
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:57:59 GMT

In article <530013@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:
>> The good news is that the fishing is free in the National Parks, but
>> you are required to pick up a permit as you enter the park.  I live
>> close to Yellowstone National Park, which still has spectacularly
>> good fishing in most of its rivers.
>> 
>> 
>
>This is NOT true in general.  In fact, the only park that I know of that
>has free fishing is Yellowstone because it became a park before Wyoming,
>where it is primarily situated, became a state.  The other national park
>in Wyoming, Grand Teton, requires a valid Wyoming fishing license.
>
>In general, fishing in national parks requires a valid fishing license
>for the state you are in.  There may be exceptions, like Yellowstone,
>but I know of none.
>
>Mike McNelly
>mike@fc.hp.com

Fishing is also free in Olympic Nat'l Part in Washington, but not in Cascades.
I think it could be a good FAQ: what parks do not require a state licence?
(I for one would be very interested in this information).

Michael.
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:04:38 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

mellery@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Homo habilis) writes:
> 
> 	I have just spent the greater part of this past summer
> building my own wooden drift boat.  I bought a kit from a guy in
> Oregon who specializes in that sort of thing.
> 	My concern , now, is that I have never maneuvered this sort
> of craft.  I am wondering what the best way to learn how to steer
> and manage a drift boat is.  Are there any books on the matter that
> someone could recommend?  Should I just start on small rivers and
> work my way up to the bigger ones.  The boat is 17.5 feet and the
> oars are 9 feet.  I plan to use it on some of the major rivers in
> California such as the Eel and the Smith.  I may take it on the
> Klamath when I have enough confidence in my skills.

I would go out and buy some of the  whitewater  rafting books and read
about  currents and how to manipulate  them  properly...  (I have been
doing this recently since I have a new whitewater  raft that we use to
fish  with)  The  drift  boat is more  sluggish  than a raft  but  the
concepts  are  still  the same.  There are alot of books  out there to
read, I think I have 7 so far.

As far as the Smith  goes...  I would be careful  with that one...  at
least in the canyon  stretches.  I am actually  surprised that you can
take a drift boat on the Smith.  The Eel is alot mellower and could be
a good training ground.  (I went to school at Humboldt State so I know
the area pretty well....)
From: macph@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Trout from an English lake
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:47:09 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I thought that some of you might be interested in an account of a day on an
English lake after trout.  Blagdon is a reservoir in Somerset (SW England) that
was created between the wars (I think) to supply water to Bristol.  It's only
by the dam that you would know that it is a reservoir.  It's large by English
standards but would probably count as a pond in the USA :-).  It was THE lake on
which reservoir fishing was developed.  Like virtually all lakes in England,
almost all the trout are stocked (a mixture of brown and rainbow) and the
average weight caught this season is 2lb with the biggest at about 8lb.

	I went out last Sunday with a colleague who is an experienced boat
fisher, whereas almost all my lake fishing has been from the bank.  After a
long spell of cold, wet and windy weather, Sunday was warm and fine, with light 
cloud and a gentle to zero breeze.  When we started out, we anchored about
100yds off shore and fished small nymphs on floating lines.  One or two boats
caught fish but it was hard going.  After an hour or so I had a strong pull
about 10yds from the boat and saw a decent sized trout swirl just under the
surface.  On retrieving my line I found that the dropper had come away at the
junction with the leader (I was using 7lb double strength Drennan for the
dropper and leader and have heard that there are problems with droppers - any
advice??).  My friend had a couple of swirls but did not connect.  And so it
went on, various flies, various drifts but no fish!  In the afternoon fish
started to rise but we could not at first see anything coming off - later a
load of Caenis (fisherman's curse) appeared and trout could be seen cruising
just under the surface, gently sipping them in.  There were several boats in
our area but no one was catching.  As it started to get dark, in frustration
and desparation I put on a white tin-head lure on a sinking line - second cast
hooked a 3lb 9oz rainbow - my best of the season.  My colleague ended up blank
but we both enjoyed the day, even if there was a considerable degree of
frustration.

	There are some fishermen who regularly catch trout on these lakes but I
don't know how they do it!

Gordon MacPherson
Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
South Parks Rd.
Oxford OX1 3RE
England

Tel 865-275584
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: New Jersey Tuna Fishing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:46:29 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

levesque@wahoo.enet.dec.com (Mark Levesque) writes:
>  Peter Cherasia (cherasia@viper.bear.com) wrote:

***  stuff  deleted...  we have all read it by now and need not see it
again...

The dilema of the  Bluefin is similar to most  trout,  steelhead,  and
salmon  populations.  We are  seeing  less big  fish.  This is a trend
that if not stopped  will  decrease  the chances of our  children  and
thiers of catching the type of fish that we hold so dear.  But...

Bickering on whether someone kept 3 small fish is really  unimportant.
The fact is that the  person  who kept the 800+ lb fish is the one who
really  hurts the  fishery.  The younger fish are not the  reproducing
population.  Peter  also  commented  that  they  released  many  other
similar  sized fish.  This in my eyes is a  selective  harvest  and is
most  comendable  (this  coming  from  someone  who  is  a  heavy  C&R
advocate).  It is the charter boats that fill every tag (including the
hands  and  captain)  that we need to  chastise  if  someone  is to be
chastised.

Tighter  restrictions  are  great  (to a  point),  but who is going to
impose  them.  You need federal  support  before  anything is going to
happen.

I can  imagine  that a  school  of  around  a  square  mile was  quite
impressive to see.  Shoulda pulled out a fly rod!!!  (ok..  my bias is
showing)

Dave "Stuck (in a way) in the middle (of the country)" Fleck
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod Dryers
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:44:26 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BvE8Dx.Bsz@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>
>Thought I'd pass along that Clemens has their low RPM rod dryers
>on sale (was $42 now $19.95). I've been doing the job by hand 'cos
>I thought $42 was outrageous, but for the price I just ordered one.

$19.95 is a great price.  However, I built one out of an old BBQ grill
motor and it seems to work just fine.  I bought the motor at a goodwill
store for $2.00.  Check out those flea markets. 

-- 
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Rod Dryers
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:11:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
> 
> Thought I'd pass along that Clemens has their low RPM rod dryers
> on sale (was $42 now $19.95). I've been doing the job by hand 'cos
> I thought $42 was outrageous, but for the price I just ordered one.
> Man, they have the least personable order takers I've ever talked
> to...
> 
> Re: Flex Coat. Tom, is the room you're using Flex Coat in very
> warm ? I've been using the stuff for years and haven't experienced
> the hardening you're getting. You can, however, 'cut' it with
> acetone (nail polish remover) to thin it out if it gets mushy on
> you. They have Flex Coat Lite out now too, but if I'm gonna drink
> the stuff I want full strength :-> Now if they could make a finish
> that repels pet hair I'd be all set....
> 
> 
>                                        jc in me.
John,

What is their phone number.  That price sounds just too good to pass
up.  I need to build two rods this winter and get tired of borrowing
the turner at our local fly shop (they might be getting tired of it
also). 

Bryan

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From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Re: Rod Dryers
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:43:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.141106.25903@col.hp.com> bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:
>cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>> 
>> Thought I'd pass along that Clemens has their low RPM rod dryers
>> on sale (was $42 now $19.95). I've been doing the job by hand 'cos
>> I thought $42 was outrageous, but for the price I just ordered one.
>> Man, they have the least personable order takers I've ever talked
>> to...
>
>What is their phone number.  That price sounds just too good to pass
>up.  I need to build two rods this winter and get tired of borrowing
>the turner at our local fly shop (they might be getting tired of it
>also). 
>
>Bryan
>

     Maybe you could post it, I'd like to know to.



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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: need information for fishing in USA parks
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:49:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct2.185759.3176@beaver.cs.washington.edu> misha@cs.washington.edu (Michael Rabinovich) writes:
>I think it could be a good FAQ: what parks do not require a state licence?
>(I for one would be very interested in this information).

Rocky Mountain NP does require a Colorado license.  Unlike Yellowstone,
no park permit is required.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: russell@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Rodbuilding (again)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:07:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Russell.Bentley@UK.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skid.uk.sun.com


Many thanks to all who replied to my post about rodbuilding.  As one
result I'm trying to obtain either of the books by Dale Clemens, but am
having real problems.

Please could anyone who has one or either of these books post the ISBN
number ?  I could then see about ordering them here in England.


Thanks (again) in advance

Russ
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Keywords: circus
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:34:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.000309.25590@cs.cornell.edu> caldwell@cs.cornell.edu (Jim Caldwell) writes:
>I was up on the Salmon River in Pulaski N.Y. last Saturday.
>
>I saw two large live Chinook dragged along the road and into the parking lot by a
>cigar chomping fisherman; someone yelled, "He gonna have bad road rash."  I saw a
>nervous snagger under the Altmar bridge looking anxiously up to the road and
>casting into the fly fishing only section of river. I saw a gauntlet of forty to
>fifty anglers throwing flys, standing shoulder to shoulder, upstream from my
>position on the bank of the same section. I saw the drunken Russian fishing the
>slot next to mine snag my line with his and yank it in, angrily yelling to his
>friend on the far bank.  I saw a hooked fish leap and then end a short run by
>knocking a startled man off his feet while five others yelled "fish on! fish on!"
>I saw a Chinook swimming downstream, a fluorescent red fly hooked through his lip
>attached to a short leader attached to a full length of limp green fly line
>attached to nothing.  I saw two Japanese fishermen in waders in animated
>conversation over their lunch of big Mac's, fries, and Coke.  I saw a strong
>Chinook fight upstream through a powerful rapid, his black back fully exposed to
>the afternoon air, and then watched him glide slowly through a section of nearly
>perfect laminar flow, not five feet from my stance on the slippery bedrock bottom.
>
>Jim Caldwell
>Ithaca, N.Y.                    

Jim:
Serves you right for going to Pulaski on a _weekend_. ;)

Use your new saline (so to speak) rig?

Seriously, anything happening in the other tribs, esp with the
Atlantics NY has been trying to establish?

What's new in Cayuga Inlet, BTW?

-- 
Bruce Pencek                     bpencek@nevada.edu
Political Science Dept           bpencek@nevada2.bitnet
University of Nevada, Las Vegas  (702) 739-3307
"Just because I work at UNLV, it doesn't mean I support basketball."
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re: alt.peta
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:40:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


>Article 820 of rec.outdoors.fishing:
>Xref: apollo.hp.com rec.outdoors.fishing:820 talk.politics.animals:8380
>Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,talk.politics.animals
>Path: apollo.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!scd.hp.com!sdd.hp.com!uak
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
>Subject: Re: Bambi Fishing
>Message-ID: <BvonB5.7Fq@agora.rain.com>
>Organization: Organization
>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:33:04 GMT
>Lines: 18


    A good try at initiating a rec.outdoors.fishing to talk.politics.
animals war via your crosspost mr. barton ! This tactic worked well when
used on the hunters. Us fishermen, however, are in the business of
offerring, not taking, the bait. I would encourage the fisherfolks to
delete that crosspost unless they want to spend the next couple of
months listening to why fish have the same rights as people, etc.
If I want to post to your list, I will direct my post to it by
myself.

> What other animals do you enjoy torturing?
    My favorite would be a four way toss up which would consist of
jet skiers, AR types, pat robertson fans and the politically correct.
I'll spare you the details. Other than that I just fish. Do you fish
mr. barton, I mean other than on the net, or do you just search known
or suspected torturous newsgroups for articles to crosspost ?

Obligatory fishing comment - 2 days till I fly to the Vineyard for
Bonito/False Albacore !  I have deceivers, sand eel flies, and a
few epoxy flies anyone have any other recommendations ?



                                           jc in me.
From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Live Wells??
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:19:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
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 Does anyone know of any sources for aftermarket live wells....or if anyone
has attempted to make one out of a cooler?

I would me interested in some details.

I looked into building my own, but it seems I'll need to buy 2 self-priming
12 volt water pumps. The problem is they quoted me a price of $120 per pump!!
Anyone know a certain pump that might better fit this application?

Thanks for any pointers!!

-Greg


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From: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Reply-To: jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.175821.6887@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
|> keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
|> >In article <tl3-mwA@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski
<Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
|> >>
|> > I think there's one basic difference between hunting and fishing
|> that makes fishing much harder to target.
|> 

I think one of the main reasons the AR people get some support for
limiting or banning hunting is that people don't like feeling as if they
might be shot as a white tailed deer next time they go for a walk in the
woods.  When the AR people come in, they just go along for the ride because
they don't like hunters.

I'm sure that most hunters are responsible, blah, blah, blah, but every
fall there
are hunters poaching behind the student apartments where I live, and I for one
don't feel like taking my kids back there for a romp.


The situation is different for fishing. Somehow people just don't feel as
threatened by backcasting flyfishers, bobberwatchers, and plug sliders.

Field and Stream (which I get for the stream part only, at this point
anyway) has
lots of articles on what to do if the AR people show up. They mostly
concentrate
on being polite, not saying anything "stupid" (no matter how richly deserved)
and not creating any incidents which might further the AR cause. For instance,
if the AR people show up in Maine, and a few of them get caught on 2/0 hooks
on the backcast, on video tape, it is possible that nobody would get around to
discussing how humane the backcaster was to have eliminated the barbs on his
or her hooks (although I am sure that the individual AR activists
involved would
be grateful that the hooks were barbless, even if they did sink in a little
deeper).

Of course, jetskiers are another matter, as they are not so likely to have the
press following them around. 8-) <---indicates glasses, not amazement

John Danskin			|	CS Grad student
(609) 258-5386			|	fishing and kids
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Bill Dance Outdoors
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:06:02 GMT
Organization: chevron

Anyone know the words to the "Bill Dance Outdoors" theme song?

Ya know....

"When the sun, came up this morning,
I took the time to watch it rise...."

And who sang it?  Jerry Reed?
Enquiring (idle) minds wanna know....


Thanks!
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