From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.190123.14794@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, clarkma@spot.Colorado.EDU (CLARK MARK ALAN) writes:
> 
> In a previous article 
>  mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) 22 Jul 92 writes
> 
> >In article <1992Jul21.180343.4066@newstand.syr.edu>, ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu
> > (Ken Alper) writes:
> >
> >>
> >>   I have  a slight feeling that I'm going to be flamed.
> >>
> >>   Screw the rights of the performers. It's the age of information. Unless a
> >>   person is making money from or passing off another's work as his own, I don
> 't
> >>   think it's a problem. Hey, Matt Groening, my Mac says "Working is for Chump
> s."
> >>   Do you and Nancy Cartwright give a shit?
> >>
> >>   Didn't think so.
> 
> >What if he decides to market a disk full of sounds from The Simpsons and you
> >have already copied those sounds to your disk, so you don't need to buy his
> >disk?
> 
> He is free to do so, but network sponsors paid him to allow us free access to 
> his show.  I have a vcr and am not disallowed by law from taping his work.  I 
> may then use it for whatever purpose I like, IN MY OWN HOME and NOT FOR PROFIT.
> His disks would probably be of higher sound quality and some people might be 
> willing to pay for that added quality, but after it leaves the tv studio, it
> is out of his control.

Does that give you the right to distribute them--even if not for profit?  I
think not.

> >Sounds from Star Trek are on the market now.  That means a lost sale to
> >people who have already copied those sounds from videotape or off the
> >air.
> 
> That's too bad, if you want a pretty box and a high quality copy, you are 
> free to buy them.  Otherwise, feel free to watch the re-runs, they'll never 
> stop, they may however have their syndication rights sold to a 24-hour Trek
> Channel or something in the future.  Get them while they are still free.
> Remember that ("I Love What You Do For Me") Toyota and ("All-Tempa") Cheer and
> others are making it possible and support them by buying their products, thus
> allowing them to bring us more fine (?) re-runs and new programming.

What does that have to do with it?  Sure, you can tape them for your own use,
but you don't have the right to distribute them to anyone.

> >There is no difference between copying those sounds and copying executable
> >software.  You're right; this is the age of information--however, that makes
> >information a commodity to be bought and sold.  By taking it for free without
> >the permission of the owner, you are robbing from him.
> 
> If a detergent or auto manufacturer was also paying for my free access to 
> executable software then I would feel free to use it at home and enjoy it 
> with my friends and family.  You are (of course, IMO) arguing from an incorrect
> position.  Do you see the difference?  I hope so.

Do *you* see the difference between using them in your own home and distributing
them to others?

> >You're also right that you're going to be flamed--rightfully so, IMO.
> 
> Nah.
> 
> all opinions expressed herein are just that, opinions
> 
> mark clark (clarkma@spot.colorado.edu) 
> 
> Have a nice day    B^{)

Do you agree with Ken Alper's "screw the rights of the performers" statement that
is quoted near the top of this message?  If so, why stop there?  Why not screw
the rights of blacks, Jews, gays, athiests, and any other group you can think of?
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