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From: carmeli@femto.cs.umn.edu (Tidhar T. Carmeli)
Subject: Re: German and spanish speaking SCJ users!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:06:46 GMT

In <y39HqB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:




>I'm very interested to know how many SCJ users are in german speaking
>countries  (Austria-Germany-Luxenburg-Switzerland)  and users  living
>in any other country who can speak,read and/write in german: it could
>be very interesting to create a jewish mailing list in german. Please
>mail me the answers.  THE SAME APPLIES FOR SPANISH!


>D E U T S C H !!

	....some stuff deleted....

>E S P A N~ O L

	....more stuff deleted....

	To which I might add, I would like to set up a similar mailing list for
SCJ'ers who know Italian (and perhaps French?) if there are any takers. So here
goes:

				ITALIANO

	Ciao a tutti. Sarei interessato a formare una "mailing list" di argomen-
to ebraico per i lettori di SCJ che conoscono l'italiano. Gli interessati sono
pregati di mettersi in contatto con me all'indirizzo seguente (preferibilmente
tramite email):

	Tidhar T. Carmeli
	University of Minnesota
	4-192 EE/Csci Building
	200 Union Street SE
	Minneapolis, MN 55455

	carmeli@cs.umn.edu


				FRANCAIS

	Salut. Je voudrais e'tablir une "mailing list" d'intere^t juif pour les
lecteurs francophones de SCJ. Les interesse's sont prie's de me contacter a`
l'adresse suivante (email pre'fe're'):

	Tidhar T. Carmeli
        University of Minnesota
        4-192 EE/Csci Building
        200 Union Street SE
        Minneapolis, MN 55455

        carmeli@cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:43:57 GMT

In article <92239.011710CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ToraByte <CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>When a man takes a woman as his wife, he says "Harei at MEKUDESHES li ..."
>The man is sanctifying, separating and designating the woman to be his
>wife. This is the problem. One isn't allowed to sanctify and separate
>something (i.e. Mekudash, Mekudeshes) on shabbos. Thus weddings are not
>done on shabbos.

Like Kiddush huh?  I always sanctify and separate shabbos, twice.  This
is probably not the problem.  This "Harei...Yisrael"  incantation, 
signifies the intent of the next act, then acquisition.  You could say
"Harei..." all day long on shabbos if you wish, but to give the ring
or something worth a perutah is not valid for marriage purposes.

-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Murder at Montreal's Concordia U
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:19:23 GMT

In article <Btq889.791@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.210810.5751@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>>Two professors are dead, a secretary and two other professors are
>>badly wounded, at the Engineering Faculty of Montreal's English
>>language Concordia University.
>>
>>Canada's major newspapers report that the police have arrested a
>>disgruntled engineering professor, who had earlier protested that he
>>had been victimized by his colleaguse, who, he said, had plagiarized
>>his work and denied him tenure.
>>
>>On the front page, _The Globe and Mail_, Canada's self-confessed
>>"national" newspaper, announces that the arrested man is one  V.
>>Fabrikant, whom they name a Russian Jew.
>>-- 
>>Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>>Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
>>University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
>>Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
>
>
>This group is soc.culture.jewish. What does a crazy guy in Concordia have
> to do with this newsgroup. He happens to be Jewish, that's all. It has
>nothing to do with jewish culture.
>
>The same thing goes for Woody and Mia. He's Jewish. But why is the debate
>on jewish.culture?
>
>Ishay 
>


I'm sorry I was not clearer; I was trying, I suppose, for bitter
irony, not for news of egg creams.

Here is my point: in reporting a murder that, so far as we know and so
far as the newspaper knew HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR RELIGION, the
_Globe_ nonetheless took pains, on the front page, to tell us that the
accused was Jewish.  This, to make my point clear enough for Ishay, is
not good for the Jews.  (Neither, I hasten to say, was the murder
itself.)
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:56:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.194519.4183@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.193225.11543@IDA.ORG> mnash@IDA.ORG (Mike Nash) writes:
>>schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>>: In article <1992Aug24.214009.23500@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>>: 
>>: Egg cream, shmegg cream.  You haven't lived until you've experienced Dr.
>>: Brown's Celery Tonic.
>>
>>I believe there's a small but significant error in your post.  You wrote "lived"
>>when you meant "died."
>>
>>How can anybody drink that stuff?
>
>Easilly.  But you have to either get it in glass bottles or cans.  The
>2-litre bottles go flat much too quickly.

Where do you get 2-Liter bottles?  I've only been able to find 1 liter
bottles or cans.  And even though Katz's has the diet version (finally
with NutraSweet rather than sacharine), none of the local stores (Nutley, NJ)
seems to carry the diet stuff.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor)

In article <1992Aug27.134937@uspi2.Prime.COM>, dkantor@uspi2 (Dave Kantor) writes:
>> Now Herman Rubin has the right to believe anything he wants on a 
>> personal basis. But please don't call it Judaism...

>Why not ?  Just because it fails YOUR litmus test  ?

Because words are shared public property, so to speak, and to invoke private
meanings is just an abuse of language.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:32:43 GMT

Josip Loncaric writes:

>Would you please care to clarify this?  I'm not an expert on what
>happened in Poland in WWII...  but I do know that the death toll
>among Poles was enormous...  and that Hitler's campaign (starting in 1939)
>was directed not only against Jewish but also against Slavic population
>as well...  My encyclopedia says Poland lost 5,420,000 people in WWII,
>including Polish Jews, Poles and others...  full 5,300,000 of these were
>civilian casualties.

Look at this; all of a sudden, my parents and grandparents, who were
virtually forced to leave Poland in the 1920's because of the raging
anti-Semitism by the Poles (or, more accurately, Polish Catholics)
after independence, are now, all of a sudden, Poles.  Believe me,
my parents are NOT Poles and I am NOT a Polish-American.  My ancestors
were just about tolerated as much in Poland, our homeland for probably
800 years, as an Armenian is tolerated in Azerbaidjan or a Serbian
in Croatia.

For newcomers to this group, I must re-post this.  WWII refugees that
belong to the same synagogue as my parents can forgive somewhat the
Germans because they were just following orders, but they cannot forgive
the Poles, Lithuanians, and Hungarians who jumped on the bandwagon.

>This is how much I know.  What am I missing here?

Regarding the Poles, Hitler was just trying to reduce them to a 
subservient population; however, with the Jews, Hitler planned
to totally destroy us.  That's was you're missing.  If Hitler
had succeeded in his objectives, there would still be a Polish
people (who has just survived over 120 years of foreign rule
as it was), but there wouldn't have been any Jews.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:29:42 CDT


In article <87072@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:
>In article <matthew.714799780@mugga> matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Matthew Zalbiciewski) writes:
>
>>I believe that 6 million Poles perished in WWII, around the same
>>number as Jews. Please tell me I'm wrong Sam.
>>
>>MZ
>
>You're wrong: 6 million POLISH CITIZENS have been killed during the WWII,
>most of them were polish Jews.
>
>--
>

Did anybody count and classified victims ? I remember, that in block
I spent childhood in Poland there were 4 families (among 12) that
lost their relatives in Auschwitz, among them 1 Jewish family.
That proves nothing, but among victims were almost all
nationalities, certainly at the top were Jews and Poles. How do
you know Krzysztof, that Matthew was wrong ?

Aleksander Mazur
From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Blowing The Shofar At Home During Elul
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:57:22 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

>if one doesn't attend a daily minyan, is it permissible to blow
>the shofar at home every morning (except Shabbat) during Elul?
>What is the proper procedure??


In shul, tashrat (tekia, shevorim-teruah,tekia) is blown. You can 
certainly do it at home if you want to. You can blow more than that also.

There is nothing stopping you from doing it all year round, or eating
matzah and waving a lulav right after :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Subject: ISRAEL LINE
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:08:53 GMT


   Has anyone seen Israel line?
-- 
   "We're going to have the best educated American people in the
world."                              Dan Quayle - Sept. 21, 1988
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: VCR's Israeli Import Duty
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:12:37
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
In-reply-to: Mitchell Faust - Adroit Systems -Dayton, Ohio.'s message of 31 Aug 92 16:49:24 GMT

In article <01GO8402HS5C000BBB@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> Mitchell Faust - Adroit Systems -Dayton, Ohio. writes:

     My wife wants to take a dual compatable VCR to her parents when
     she visits Israel this winter.  I know all about the different
     video standards between the US and Israel.  What I'm looking for
     are recomendations on a brand of dual compatable VCRs.  I'm
     paying particular attention to the NTSCs various recording and 
     playback speeds.  (We once sent them a tape recorded at the 6hr/tape
     play speed (SP?) and they had a hard time finding anyone with a
     VCR that could play it back!!)  ALSO, what will the import duty be
     on one of these babys.  My inlaws tell me that it is still cheeper
     to bring a VCR into Israel and pay the import duty than to buy
     one there.   Thanks in advance.

I presume Israel uses the PAL standard (common in Europe) rather than
NTSC (used in the US, Canada, and (I think) Japan).  I've never seen a
VCR capable of understanding both formats, although I don't doubt that
they exist, particularly in professional models.  There are businesses
around that specialize in video, including copying videotapes and format
conversions; you might want to ask at one of those outfits.  You might
want to ask this question on rec.video as well.

As for recording NTSC: the speed you want to avoid is LP (4 hours on a
T120 tape).  This appears to be a non-standard speed, and VCR's that can
handle it often can't do things like smooth stills and such at that
speed (I don't know the technical details).  You're always safe with SP
(2 hours), and I have yet to see a modern VCR that can't handle EP (6
hours), although poor quality tapes will show significant degradation at
that speed.  Older VCR's may not handle the higher speeds, though.

Good luck!
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends - help!
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:49:35 GMT

lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger) writes:
>goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>If one is a non-Jew, and has Orthodox friends over from time
>>to time, what can legitimately be offered them to eat or drink,
>>and still leave them at ease?  Obviously coffee and tea are
>>safe, but I'd like (if I can) to be more hospitable than this.
>
>	Any hot drinks should be offered in a styrofoam cup.
>	(In this case, a new plastic spoon for mixing would be
>	nice.)
>	Raw fruits and veggies are generally ok. Cold drinks,
>	other than wine or a wine based lacquer, etc., are
>	also ok.

Any hot drinks should be prepared in a utensil never used
for non-kosher foods, which is, of course, begging the question.

Cold liquids that have been held in non-kosher containers
for more than 24 hours are also unacceptable.

The best idea may be the raw fruits and veggies, as Lazer
recommends, or packaged products with one of the "generally
acceptable" service marks denoting kosher supervision.  Some
examples:
  Star-K ('K' in a five-pointed star)
  O-U    ('U' in a circle)
  Kaf-K  ('K' inside the Hebrew letter Kaf, which may or may
         not be a Khaf without the K :-)
  O-K    9'K' in a circle)

There are many acceptable marks, and there are many that are
unacceptable (you know who you are :-) to the mainstream Orthodox.
I have given only a small selection of the former.  Please do
not infer that those I have neglected to list are generally
unacceptable.  If you want a real flame war, maybe I'll supply
them next time.

-Don Gertler
From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Another Wedding
Keywords: bashert, zivug, aishes chayel
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:53:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <BtLpzG.127@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>Seen on the programme at the wedding of Jonathan Rosner and Hindee Alpert
>in Lawrence, NY last week:
>
>			The Bride's Available Sister
>				Ariella Alpert
>
>Now that is what I call market-directed advertising!
>


Well, hey, why not?

BTW, does anyone know anything about her? I don't live that far from 
Lawrence.....   ;)

Yossi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Nazi Camps
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:15:28 GMT

In article <67520@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>communist, albeit oligarchical, government.  Have you actually forgotten who
>Josef Stalin was?  This was a man who cruelty, paranoia, and ruthlessness made
>HITLER cringe!  Hitler's worst nightmare was to be captured by the Russians
>in W.W.II.  Stalin murdered nearly as many Jews, if not more, than Hitler did.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>While Stalin may not have believed in "Aryan supremacy," he CERTAINLY was an
>anti-Semite.  In the czarist days, the cossacks and others fomented pogroms
>routinely.  When there was something going wrong, "it must be the Jews, let's
>go have a pogrom and kill some..."  When you equate Poland and Russia, especiaally
>from the time between WWI and WWII, you ignore just who was holding the strings
>in the USSR at that time.  Other than fascism/communism, the differences 
>betwenn Hitler and Stalin are not great.  Both were paranoid, power-hungry,
>absolute dictators who were both anti-Semitic, among other hatreds they had 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>also.
>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu

  I really feel sorry for you if you cannot tell the difference between
Hitler and Stalin and their attitude toward Jewish people.

  Your views exposed in you text are simplistic, to say the least.

                                        P.Penczek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur and Tu b'Av
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:41:03 GMT

In article <BtyzxA.409@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>Even for one who doesn't believe in the Oral Law, this is absurd.  The written
>>Torah says several times that we are required to "afflict our souls" (eenuy)
>>on YK.  Granted, the interpretation of that term to mean fasting per se is
>>part of the Oral Law, but clearly it is a term associated with grimness
>>and not with festivity and rejoicing.
>
>It seems clear from the Talmudic writings about Yom Kippur that, in the days
>of the Temple, there was joy and gladness after the High Priest came out of
>the Holy of Holies.  That there was dancing in the streets, and betrothals
>were announced, is also in these old writings.  
>
>It seems from these accounts, which seem to be reasonably accurate historical
>statements, that Yom Kippur was not grim.  The prophets also do not stress
>that "afflicting our souls" means suffering; indeed, they indicate that 
>suffering is not the purpose, and that the results of the fasting are what
>count.   "Is this not the fast that I have chosen?"  This is followed with
>what should happen the rest of the year.  We still say, "Have an easy fast." 
>Also, this is the "white fast," jewelry is completely appropriate.

I thought Tisha B`Av is a day we do not get married because of the
sadness of Tisha B`Av when one should be happy on the wedding day.

But, on the other hand, I thought Yom Kippur is one of the days we
do not get married, because we would then be mixing happiness with
happiness, and the happiness of the holiday would detract from the
happiness of the wedding day.  (I'm not talking of the marriages
which would or do occur immediately after Yom Kippur.)
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee)
Subject: Re: Violent antisemitism?
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:26:15 GMT

In article <goldberg.715599867@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:

>Most of what Irek wrote relates to Poland (a State) having or not an antisemiticpolicy. At many times, there was no State at all. For many years, the land now
>known (or known as such in the 20's-40's) as Poland was owned by several powers
>and AS USUAL very many Jews settled there , as they did elsewhere for example
>the presently east of France, or the Rhein valley, 

However most Jews came to Poland during the time when this was STRONG state. 
Quite uniquely, at the time where Jews were being expelled from all other 
places, this stat had a policy of adopting refugees. This was the reason 
why in the end XVIII century an estimated 8 0 % of world Jewry lived in Poland.

>JUST because there were no clear rulers that would take care of expelling 
them. Jews did not leave Spain, Portugal or France on their own will
>to escape antisemitism, they left because they were expelled....

They were obviously never expelled from Poland, and not because of lack of 
rulers but because of liberal and enlightened laws (comparing to other places).
If this point is not remembered then we get a picture of "violently 
antisemitic" Poland and peaceful Spain, Portugal, France, and rest of Europe.
So, either we adopt a point of view that expellation was good because 
antisemitism decreased (crazy), or, that brutally expelled Jews found their
survival place in Poland (reasonable).

>In the 20th century, populace antisemitism was much more violent in Poland 
>than in France...

Here again, there are some debatable issues when making such general 
comparisons: Jewish population in Poland was much bigger, both in numbers
and in percentage than in France (in Warsaw alone there were more Jews 
living than in the whole France). Jews living in Poland were strictly 
different ethnic/religious group, mostly unassimilated, completely separated
by language, school system, orthodox religion - a separate society. It
was not the same case in France, which makes comparisons difficult since
the more ethnic separation, the more inevitable and stronger the tensions are.
If such things are considered in absolute terms ("even one case of antisemitism
is enough"), then e.g. Spain would emerged as best - no Jews, no antisemitism.

>On the other hand the
>Vel d'Hiv mass arrest of Jews was conducted in Paris in 1942 by French police 
>obeying the French Government., acting on its own with no German request.

I would advice all who elaborate in this forum on "Poland helping Germans 
to exterminate Jews" to read these not-so-much publicitized accounts of
how it was in France (also Belgium, etc. would be good). Real eye-openers!

>Agreed, or deliberately interested in maintaining confusion?
>Yaaqov Goldberg

I tend to agree with you. Seeing the tone of rational discussion
is refreshing.

Irek


-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Shofar stinks - Help
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:17:09 GMT

In article <Aug.29.23.52.38.1992.2668@gandalf.rutgers.edu> jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Joyce Morris) writes:
>My Father bought a shofar in late December.  He says it now smells very
>bad like something died in it.  How can he clean it so it no longer
>smells?  He is able to blow it with no problem.
>

I clean my shofar with vinegar. You stand the shofar so that it will hold
liquid, and pour in some very light vinegar, and let is stand for several
hours. Then pour it out, and allow the shofar to dry for several days.

Honestly, it still smells rather awful, but it does get the dried
saliva out, which is what I suspect he's smelling. The shofar tends to
play much better after it's been cleaned. But you can't vinegar clean
it often; the vinegar gradually eats away at the inside of the shofar,
which damages it.

	<MC>
-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     || "There is no such thing as a problem 
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS||  without a gift for you in its hands. You
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker ||  seek problems because you need their 
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