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From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:52:12 GMT

In article <5007@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>
>I've been playing volleyball - real volleyball - for little under a year
>and I've just gotten to the point where I can pretty consistently hit
>the ball down.  The problem is that although I can put the ball down
>hard, I also get blocked hard a lot of times.  I'll admit that I don't
>look for the blocks - I'm too concerned with keeping my eye on the ball
>and crushing it.  I'm just wondering, will I naturally get to the point
>where I don't have to keep my eye on the ball to connect so I can look
>for the block or are you supposed to try to read the block before you
>take off?

   I can't speak for others, but I've always found it easy enough to hit
around a block without having to look directly at it.  When I see that the
ball is being set (outside) to me I'll take a quick glance at the position
of the blocking players, then focus on the ball; I now have a rough idea of
where they'll be taking off from.  When I'm in the air and about to hit the
ball, I'll keep an eye on the blockers' hands with my peripheral vision and
will therefore know how much to the left or right to cut the ball.

>Also, although I have decent hang time and get up fairly high, I have a
>hard time blocking.  Any pointers?  Everything happens so fast.

   Because I'm fairly short (5'8") I can't rely on great height or long
arms for my blocking, so I have to rely on timing and other factors.  One
very important thing that you should do is to look at the SPIKER when you're
blocking, and not the BALL.  If you focus on the ball, you won't know which
way the hitter will cut; if you zero in on the hitter's approach and arm-
swing, you'll be able to see exactly where he/she is hitting the ball, and
adjust your jump or reach accordingly.

>Thanx
>
>
>-CRUSH

   No probs.

     - Mark Rosteck -
(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
From: koppes@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Rosaine Koppes)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:55:09 GMT
Subject: San Jose Junior Boys Volleyball
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
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From: lees@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Steve C. Lee)
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.171237.228@ns.network.com> robp@landru.network.com writes:
>In article 5002@news.duke.edu, lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>>Sender: CRUSH 
>>Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
>>that one).
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>
>Boy, it sure doesn't.  Both are wrong (although you're close on the men's)
>
>Men - 2.43 meters , or 7'11 5/8"

OK, OK  I'm off by about 3/8 of an inch - now tell me if that make one
bit of difference in volleyball play.  If you can't make your hit go
over just 3/8 of an inch . . . what the hell are you doing trying to
hit?
>Women - 2.24 meters, or 7'4 1/4"

Hey, I admitted I wasn't sure!  
>The meters are exact measurements;  the inches are approximate (but close
>enough, don't get out your calculator)
>
>Rob
>USA National Referee

By the way, does anybody out there know how to delete a lot of text on
vi?  I don't mean esc-x, that's too slow.  Thanx


-CRUSH






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From: ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller)
Subject: Spiking
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 926
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:32:09 GMT

Hello all-
   Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?

-- 
| Christopher N Keller     (intern/personal slave to Dr. Erricos C. Pavlis) | 
| "Yes I actually work here, and no I don't do the dishes!"                 |
| email: ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov  < Goddard Space Flight Center >      |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Improving play by watching tapes
Organization: Bellcore
	<1992Aug25.123252.17752@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:29:43

In article <1992Aug25.123252.17752@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:
   ... yesterday I had probably the
   best beach match of my life.  It was mainly due to "rising to the occasion,"
   one could say.

Or perhaps due to playing against a team who always hit the same way, which
made their shots predictable.

      A lot of the people I usually play with think they're showing off their
   amazing skills when they continually lob "cheezy" shots to the corners
   In my opinion, this sloppy and dirty type of playing not
   only pisses off the opposing team, but cuts the game time/effort short as
   well.

I think you're getting cause and effect a little mixed up here.  You miss
the lob shots because you aren't putting the effort into playing heads-up ball,
which naturally cuts the game time short.  "Sloppy", "dirty" ?  No, just shots
that are harder to play than those "clean spikes" that are easy to read.

      Anyway, back to my story.  The last game I played yesterday was against
   two very good, very CLEAN-playing opponents (i.e., almost all of the rallies
   were of the 3-touch "bump, set, CRANK" variety).   Not having to worry too
   much about scrambling after cheezy shots, I found that I could concentrate
   fully on reading the hitter or blocker, setting up my positioning, trying
   to outsmart the defence, etc.

Sure, that's great practice, but it's like having the pitcher only throw
fastballs high and center over the plate.  Much "cleaner" than all those
nasty curve balls and change-ups, and you get a lot more home runs, but
not very realistic.

Personally, I hit as hard as my current physical state allows, and save
lob, dump, and dink practice for when I'm healing from injuries (such
as at the moment :-().  That's just because when I have a choice between
spiking and winning, I'd rather spike.  If you want to win, you'd better
be ready to pick up any legal shot that comes over.

Cheers,

Geoff
--
geoff@bellcore.com
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:25:53 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <BtpDoo.D4C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug27.220940.22337@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
>>Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
>>double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
>>bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
>>is the rule on blocking the serve.
>
>
>>/*************************/
>
>>Mike,
>
>>According to the last issue of the USVBA rules, a double hit is allowed on
>>the first team hit on any ball crossing the net (not just the serve) as
>>long as no finger action was involved.
>
>>You can't return the ball back to the serving court until it has dropped
>>below the plane of the top of the net.
>
>Just to expand this a little, what about setting a serve? I know that in 
>the Olympics, World League, etc, they can't set the serve, but I've talked to 
>people in high school, park leagues, etc, who insist you can.  At what level
>does setting the serve become illegal?
>Joe
>>Rick
>-- 
>zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *   Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physician!
>                       *           -Doctor McCoy, STVIII:The Retirement Home
>CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!    *               

Never, ever in your right mind set a serve. Why you might ask? Cause it not
only has to be cleaner than Mr. Clean, but chances are 99.99999 out of 100
that you'll be called on a carry by the ref. In the event you dont get called,
the other team will remind the referee in a most graphic manner that this isn't
allowed. Usually the speed of a serve will not allow for a clean set

Serge
serge@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Firsthand from Barcelona: Highest Jumper
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:34:35 GMT

This post will discuss raw physical jumping ability. This does does include
speed of the spike, value as a player, or anything else, just jumping 
ability.

Firsthand from Barcelona means this post is based on what I saw at the
Olympics, and on background information that I know. Anyone with other
information or opinions is encouraged to reply with a post.

My attempt to quantify jumping ability while spectating involved finding a
seat where my eyes were exactly at the height of the top of the net, and then
observing the players during warmup spiking. I watched how high the players'
bodies rose relative to the top of the net and used this to judge jumping
ability. Small corrections must be applied because of height differences,
but most male athletes fall in the range 6'4" to 6'8" so the corrections are
indeed small.

Many people are curious what jumping ability is needed at the international
level. For men, the average international player gets his upper chest over
the net. Typical examples are Doug Partie, Scott Fortune, and Steve Timmons.
For women there is a much larger range because the women as a rule don't jump
nearly as well as the men, but if I had to select an average I would
say for women the international player gets most of her face over the net.

That said, here are my impressions of the highest jumpers at the Olympics:

MEN
---
1. Jorge Brito #2 Brasil - listed 6'3", gets top of shorts near top of net.
2. Giovane Gavio #3 Brasil - listed 6'5", gets top of shorts near top of net.
3. Marcelo Negrao #1 Brasil - listed 6'5", middle of stomach over the net.
4. Andrea Giani #13 Italy - listed 6'5", middle of stomach over the net.
5. Oleg Shatunov #1 EUN - solid 6'8", gets top of shorts near top of net.

WOMEN
-----
1. Mireya Luis #3 Cuba - listed 5'10", entire chest over the net.
2. Caren Kemner #7 USA - listed 6'1", shoulders over the net.

Notice that there are some big names left off this list: Bryan Ivie, Bob
Samuelson, Yuichi Nakagaichi, Andrea Gardini, Andrea Zorzi, Dmitry Fomin,
Ruslan Olikhver, Joel Despaigne, and Ron Zwerver.

Let the controversy begin. If anyone knows vertical jumps for specific
players, please post them.

					Greg Martin
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:09:18 GMT

In article <5007@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>
>I've been playing volleyball - real volleyball - for little under a year
>and I've just gotten to the point where I can pretty consistently hit
>the ball down.  The problem is that although I can put the ball down
>hard, I also get blocked hard a lot of times.  I'll admit that I don't
>look for the blocks - I'm too concerned with keeping my eye on the ball
>and crushing it.  I'm just wondering, will I naturally get to the point
>where I don't have to keep my eye on the ball to connect so I can look
>for the block or are you supposed to try to read the block before you
>take off?  

This is a very good question. First of all, you should never keep your
eyes off the ball if you want a clean hit. Remember, you don't always
want to hit the ball dead center....sometimes you want to hit it to
the left (11 o'clock) or to the right (1 o'clock), in order to change the
path of the hit. What helps you see the block is keeping the ball in front
of you. You should contact it about six inches IN FRONT of you, so that
as you see the ball, your peripheral vision allows you to see the block.
The key: Keep the ball in front of you.

Also, as you are making your approach, it's a good idea to take a look at the
other side of the net.
>
>Also, although I have decent hang time and get up fairly high, I have a
>hard time blocking.  Any pointers?  Everything happens so fast.
>
Let's assume that you know that the guy in front of you is getting the set.
You must first look at the set and judge whether it's a good set, a trap set 
or an overset. If it's an overset, do as you which...hit it pass it or 
whatever. If it's a trap set, make sure you surround the ball with your HANDS,
and push INTO the court. This will not allow the hitter to wipe the ball off
you and hence a TOOL. Now, if its a good set take your eyes off the ball and 
look at the hitters approach. Now all you have to do is position your body
according to your team's blocking sheme. If your team blocks line, make sure
you position yourself no further than the hitters left shoulder. If you're
blocking cross court, line up with his hitting arm. If you're blocking the
ball, then you must guess where he is hiting and adjust accordingly.

The key is on shifting your focus from the setter to the hitter.

Now that you're in position, jump slightly after he jumps....Never, ever jump
at the same time as the hitter. By WAITING, the hitter will not see anyone
in the area initially, but then you come into the picture and BLOCK!
If you have any questions, send me mail at serge@ll.mit.edu

Hope this helps, but i can't go into details 'cause it will bore people.

Serge
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From: olson@groucho.wi.edu (Eric K. Olson)
Subject: Re: Spiking
Organization: Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>Hello all-
>   Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
>I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
>any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?

It seemed to me, when I was first learning to spike, that one problem
was that I forgot how to hit the ball after my feet left the ground.

So I spent a lot of time practicing hitting the ball with my feet
firmly planted on the ground, and an equal amount of time running
up, jumping, but not even swinging my arm.

Separating the two motions really helped me learn how to put them
together...

-Eric

-- 
Eric K. Olson
Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
9 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA  02142
olson@genome.wi.edu	(617) 258-5572
From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: What's LIVE volleyball?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:10:39 GMT

Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Keywords: 

In article <1731@grivel.une.edu.au> plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne) writes:
>Hi.
>Something called LIVE volleyball is coming to town, and I was
>wondering if somebody could fill me in on it. I'd never heard
>of it until it was advertised. According to the ad, it's a
>variant of the indoor game, played by five a side. Apparently,
>the ball never goes out of court, which implies some sort of 
>netting system around the court (similar to indoor cricket
>and netball for those who know..). From what I've heard, the
>net is set much higher than conventional VB, at about ten feet.
>This seems to preclude any spiking unless your name is Karch
>Kiraly d:^)
>Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has knowledge
>of this type of game.
>Thanks
>Pat

What!!  No spiking and no out of bounds?  I've never heard of this but,
from what you've said, this sound's like jungle ball heaven.  My advice?
Don't worry about it.

-CRUSH
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From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Organization: Bellcore
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:14:49

In article <1992Aug27.231058.25797@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
   In article <1992Aug27.220940.22337@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
   >Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
   >double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
   >bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
   >is the rule on blocking the serve.

      No and no again.

The correct answer is "yes" and "no".

The double hit is allowed provided it is the result of "one continuous
attempt to play the ball" (Rule 8, Commentary 3).

A served can never be blocked (Rule 8, Article 14.e.).

Cheers,

Geoff


--
geoff@bellcore.com
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From: newman@grind.cheme.cmu.edu (Ryan Newman)
Subject: NEXT AVP Tourney attendees - help needed
Organization: Grind Systems, Inc.
Keywords: need 2 AVP hats
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:42:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: grind.cheme.cmu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I went to the Milwaukee AVP Open, and got myself one of the great AVP
hats.  Now I thought I would be going to Cleveland the next weekend and
be able to buy more hats.  But that didn't work out.  Could someone who
is going to the tourney anytime in what remains of the season get me 2
hats?  Anyone who can do this, please mail me - the hat I have is all
grimey from playing out in the sand and I can't wear it around.

Advertise your support of AVP - wear their hat!

Thanks,

-Ry
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:52:38 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <182rigINN2oc@early-bird.think.com> bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>|> Hello all-
>|>    Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
>|> I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
>|> any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?
>|> 
>|> -- 
>
>Without getting too technical I would reccomend the following:
>
>     - Keep the ball in front of you when you jump, not directly
>       over your head.  If you start your approach before you SEE
>       where the trajectory of the ball will take it, you may
>       over-run the ball and be too far underneath it.  Resulting
>       in an ICBM.
> 
>     - Snap your wrist when you contact the ball.
>
>     - Follow through.
>
>This should bring the ball down without worrying about things like 
>topspin, etc. 
>
Just to clarify, snaping your wrist is what puts top spin on the ball,
creating a downward path on the ball. If you want to hit down without top
spin (NOT RECOMENDED) jump high, get on top of the ball and crank away.

Anyway, do snap your wrist ALWAYS :)

Serge
From: tps@chem.ucsd.edu (Tom Stockfisch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Firsthand from Barcelona!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:46:39 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug24.150646.8620@infonode.ingr.com> scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>In article <BtDG3L.8xu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>|> 5) Would Karch have made a difference?

> #5: Might have made the game against Brazil a little closer, but no. VB is and
>      always will be a team sport. One person can't control other player's 
>      shanks/bad passes/serve errors, no matter how excellent this one player
>      might be.

If Karch had been there, he and Ctvrtlk would have done all the passing and
there might not have been any shanks.  Bob improved his passing immensely since
the '88 games.

One person can direct traffic.  I watched Karch at close quarters from about
20' behind the court in 1988 and other years.  He was constantly shouting
orders which were generally obeyed.  Besides adding spectacularly to defense
and transition offense he really directed the team and kept the intensity
level high.

We didn't make that many mistakes playing Brazil in '92 (unlike earlier
olympic matches), but we needed some spectacular saves (both defensively
and offensively) to beat them.  That's exactly the thing Karch could have
provided.

In summary, I would have bet heavily on the Americans to take '92 gold with
Karch there.
-- 

|| tom stockfisch, biosym technologies    tps@chem.ucsd.edu
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:58:01 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <GEOFF.92Aug31125731@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com> geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.153154.17755@ll.mit.edu> serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
>   Just out of curiosity, how many times (as a referee) have you seen someone
>   set a ball on serve receive and not called it?
>
>212 (I'm not sure what that number will do for you, but there it is :-).
 ^^^
WOW!!!!  You mean to tell me you remember? :0

To everyone reading this. I know its legal, but in my years of playing and
refing v-ball i have never seen a clean set on serve receive. Not saying it's
imposible, just HIGHLY unlikely.....But 212 times kinda throws my theory
out the window...... :(

>   I am sure you know that if you go to Nationals and let a team set a serve,
>   everyone in the Gym will probably give you lots of crap
>
>(which they probably will do in any case :-)
>
>   (not to mention the players themselves).
>
>That's what yellow cards are for (:-).
>            ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
You're a mean man!!!! (Just kidding...)

>The bottom line is, if refs calls you for setting a serve "because you
>cannot set a serve", they don't know what they are doing.  If they call
>you for setting a serve because you lifted or double hit the ball, then
>that's a judgement call that is completely up to the refs.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Geoff
>--
>geoff@bellcore.com