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From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido - udekimenage
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:23:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan5.165234.3309@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:


>   I would like a translation of the throw udekimenage - 
>   "arm focus throw" is the best I can come up with, but I think 
>   that "kime" might mean something else in this context.

  I could be wrong, but I'd say that in this context, "kime" connotes
"sticking to" -- hence "sticking to the arm throw."  I've also never seen
(nor heard) it called that except by Yamada Sensei in "New Aikido Complete."

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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Car Jack
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:49:13 EST


I got busy and unfortunately managed to miss most of the carjacking thread.
Nonetheless, I couldn't help but wonder why someone didn't recommend carrying
a large gun and blowing big holes in the first (second, and/or third) persons
to attempt to wrest control of the automobile.  This solution is optimal to
me.  In fact, I wish these car companies would get on the ball: install
derringer style shotguns right into the door so that at the discretion of the
passenger, you could simply blast your assailant with a dash-mounted trigger
pull.  Or hell, do away with pyrotechnics and simply have a spring mounted
spike on the door.  Or maybe hidden in the car seat itself.  You simply turn
over control of your car peaceably, and then when the carjackers are
comfortably settled in, you press your little "fire command" button and it
impales anyone in the car on a two-foot spike bayonet.  Ahhh...  Where is Q
when you need him?


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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,ne.general,ne.wanted
Subject: In Search of Space
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:21:18 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
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The New England Society of Ninpo is currently searching for a new
dojo, preferably located in the Boston area with easy access and parking.
Our old dojo is a timeshare which does not allow us to extend our
hours as much as we would like.

If you know of a suitable space I would be happy to hear from you.
It must be large enough to hold a class of ~45 comfortably.
Preferably with high ceilings.

No, we do not paint dragons on the walls,  shout too much, or
spill blood on the premises -  Some of the questions prospective
landlords have raised are ridiculous.

-- 
Shai Guday		| 
OS Software Engineer	| 
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Cambridge, MA		| 
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From: dbs@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Dave Sheehy)
Subject: Re: poor technique
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:14:18 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
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jchristian@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: I've heard stories of karate practitioners who have trained themselves to
: maintain proper distance but pull their punches (for their partner's safety),
: and then find themselves instinctively pulling their punches when they're in a
: real fight.  

My instructor said that this happened to him in a real fight. He gave up
tournament fighting as a result of that experience.

: Jeff

Dave Sheehy
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido styles
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:41:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24571
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Michael Hirsch writes:
   Jeff Frane said:

   Jeff> giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:

   [question about differences between Aikido styles deleted]

   Jeff> Taking a running shot at this question:  It seems to me that there are
   Jeff> two principal ways in which the various aikido styles vary from each
   Jeff> other, two interrelated ways.

   Jeff> First is emphasis. 

   Jeff> The second big influence was timing.

   I'll add another: Teaching philosophy.  There are (at least) two
   schools of though in _how_ to teach aikido.  

   The first is to demonstrate the technique to be practiced some number
   of times, say 4 times) then say "please practice," leaving it up to
   each pair to figure out what the are supposed to be doing.  I have
   heard this called "the traditional Japanese approach."

   The second it to break techniques down into parts, perhaps practicing
   only part of the full technique, often starting from static.  Teachers
   of this style will sometimes stop practice to give more instuction on
   the same technique, then tell you to continue training.  Curiously,
   the prime proponent of this style is Saito Sensei whose Aikido is
   usually called "very traditional."

Funny you should mention this.  Over the Xmas break, I was cleaning out
some old MA magazines, and read an interview with, I believe, Nakyama.
(Forgive me if my fuzzy memory gets names or other details wrong, but
the gist of what I'm saying is correct).  He was a student of Funakoshi,
and was describing the history of karate's development in the post-WWII
era.  He said that before teaching was opened up to GI's, they taught
by the "demonstrate once or twice, then you go practice" method.  When
GI's started training, they wanted to know why you did things this way
or that.  Nakayama says this forced the instructors to develop the
theoretical underpinnings to the techniques, and resulted in an improved
method of teaching.  I believe he said this was documented in his book,
(fuzzy memory alert!) Karate-Do Kyohan, which roughly translated to
"improved teaching method for karate".

Then I come into work and read your discussion of teaching styles.
Synchronicity.  Again, my details may be off (I was just skimming
the article), but the idea's the same.  I could probably dig it up if
anyone really cares.

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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Kendo Newbie Question
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:31:00 GMT

In article <hurd.726013754@sfu.ca>, hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:

> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
> 
>   Pardon my newbie, but what is a Hakama, is this the black loose-fitting
> pants/smock that I associate with Aikido wizards?

Yup.  They're lotsa of fun to trip over... ;-)

> >Absolutely correct on both points.  It's normal for "beginners" to
> >spend 2 or 3 weeks learning to walk correctly...  (assuming you're
> >on the fast track... ;-).
> 
> Now this is intrigueing!

Footwork is probably the most important thing to learn; If you get sloppy,
you'll lose lots of skin on the bottom of your feet (you will anyway, until
you get them "toughened up").  You also won't be able to attack properly,
without proper footwork.

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:45:52 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan5.094913.23429@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>Nonetheless, I couldn't help but wonder why someone didn't recommend carrying
>a large gun and blowing big holes in the first (second, and/or third) persons

	It's illegal (even in Texas, unless it's dark...), and morally
unsatisfactory (to some of us at least).  Better just to drive away.
From: yehd@ACF1.NYU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taiji question - long form versus short forms
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: yehd@ACF1.NYU.EDU
Organization: New York University, NY, NY
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twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>Ch'eng Man-Ch'ing was noted (see for instance, Smith's _Chinese 
>Boxing_) for focusing and stressing principle over a set form.
>But I will note that he did learn the long form first :-).  I
>suspect though, that more often than not, that people with a
>more martial orientation tend to focus on the long forms and
>certainly on the techniques in the long form.  I have often
>wondered if this is why William Ch'en has a 60 movement form
>as opposed to the 37 movement form that Ch'eng taught.  

Actually, this is more of a question of semantics than anything
else.

Chen's 60 movement form is actually exactly the same as
Cheng's 37 posture form.  Only Chen breaks down the steps
differently, to emphasize each movement.  For instance,
"single whip" isn't just one step, it's composed of 3 separate
movements.

Chen did, however, raise the center of gravity of Cheng's
style and made it otherwise look, well, ugly.  Doesn't
win forms competitions, but does wonders for practical
applications :)

-DavID
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shoes in the dojo (gasp!)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:31:51 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <hurd.726200142@sfu.ca> hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
>  I though that this was just the traditional karate way,
>  so I am surprised to see the quote below, you say it is a paraphrasing,
>  do you have the original wording handy (my copy of Funakoshi is packed for
>  the big move)? 

Well, actually, Funakoshi was actually talking about making your fighting 
stance your everyday stance and your everyday stance your fighting stance,
but I believe the point is relevant.

The point is that being barefoot indoors is just the traditional *Japanese*
way.  It has nothing to do with the karate itself.  The uncouth Chinese that 
came up with all this stuff wear shoes indoors and train that way as well.

>  If I have been training well I should have
>  the mental state, concentration, kime, outside the dojo, the physical
>  training is the means of controlling my mind and emotions, that's 
>  martial arts to me.

Which is exactly my point.  If training barefoot is getting in the way of
this, and you would not otherwise be barefoot, then why not wear shoes?

I guess I also don't buy this "just suffer, it's good for you" attitude that
seems rather prevalent in some circles.


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Subject: Phil Gullion
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:10:02 GMT

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Short-Form Tai Chi: How Long/How Often to Practice

What opinions does anyone have on the practice
of Chen Man Cheng "Short-Form" Tai Chi?
How long is a good practice? (The form takes 7 min)
How often should one practice?

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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:58:09 GMT
Organization: Drexel University


In terms of sparring with women, I always spar at their level as I do with any
oponent. The only difference is that I try not to hit them in the breasts,
because I wouldn't want them to hit me in my gentalia.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:49:45 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan6.211859.6158@ms.uky.edu> satadd00@nx14.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
>that, he was basically on his own.  This fellow won the French Nationals.

	Black belt senior division in his weight class (or whatever's
the french equivalent) ??

	Maybe they just have bad referees in France... 

	My biggest complaint about sport competitors is that they play
for koka (the smallest score that would allow them to win) when you
should really play for ippon (the best possible score).
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taiji question - long form versus short forms
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:32:43 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1993Jan6.160204.6560@athena.mit.edu> ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
>By the way, I've learned a shorter form (the 108) as well to complement the
>long form.
>
>Rich

My god, how long is your long form?  I know a short modified Yang form that
has 37 distinct postures, most of which are repeated once or more.  I've
learned the traditional Yang 108 (though I've never counted to see whether
that refers to the number if disting postures or the total number of postures).
So how many postures does the long form have?

Al
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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: Gracie
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:51:42 GMT

With all this talk about how terrific Gracie style is, I
haven't yet heard where they are. Are they anywhere near
Palo Alto, CA (the center of my universe)?
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From: N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

When we were being trained as student security at College, we were
warned about the possibility of being sued for assault by something
as innocent as grabbing somebody by the elbow to escort them out of
the building. This advice was from a police officer (in the U.K.)
and it was stressed to us that only minimum necessary force was to be
used and only as a last resort. Luckily a situation hardly ever arose
where such force was needed. But if you can be sued for assault for an
elbow grab, what little force is needed as self defence to find yourself
in legal trouble? What are you supposed to do? Have a battle of wits?!

Confused and vulnerable under the law and the lawless.
 
But as my Karate Sensei has said "Better to be judged by 12 (a jury) than
be carried out by 6 (carrying a coffin/casket)."

Neil.
N.C.Thomas@durham.ac.uk
From: giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere)
Subject: Aikido styles
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:57:30 GMT

Is there a FAQ or primer somewhere on the history of Aikido and more 
specifically the various styles that have been started since O Sensei's
death?  I'm currently studying Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido, which I find
interesting because of its heavy emphasis on ki development.  Is this the
main difference between it and the other styles?  Does each school of
Aikido recognize the legitimacy of the others or do they all hate each
other?  This is just out of curiosity that I'm asking, I don't want this
to degenerate into a flamewar.  I'm certainly not in any position to
judge any style to being "better" than any other.

And a related point:  what style of Aikido did Steven Segal study?  Is
he still a participant in that style or have they "disowned" him?

-- 
 Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
          So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re:  Warmups & Linguistics
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:50:13 GMT
Distribution: ba
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I would like to add my $.02 to a quote from a previous post by DJA Hanley 

"Also, it is important to remember that if you do need to use these techniques 
someday, you might not be in ideal conditions.  You might be tired, already 
hurt, drunk, whatever."

I like to group tired, hurt, and drunk under the word vulnerable.  This is
precisely when people will attack you.  An attack (outside of sport, DOJO, 
school) is made when the attacker believes the attack will be successful, i.e. 
when the victim appears vulnerable.

$.02 about linguistics:

Chinese isn't the only language which has inflections.  My favorite example
in English is the phrase "help you".  This can mean "offer you assistance".
With a slightly different inflection it means "you stepped over the line
and I've got this nasty plan to do you in".  Even a near mono-lingual English
speaker, such as myself, has difficulty differentiating these phrases.
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Georgia / Alabama Wisdom
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:13:06 GMT
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Alright already..............


the reason that Georgia Wisdom is free and Alabama Wisdom isn't
is that Alabama Wisdom gets run past the spelling checker.

That's why.
From: aikido@cs.ucsd.edu (Aikido Archive Maintainer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido dojo lists available via FTP
Keywords: aikido
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:03:38 GMT

The aikido dojo lists (formerly maintained at iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)
are now at cs.ucsd.edu (132.239.51.3) via anonymous FTP in /pub/aikido.
There are currently 3 lists in compressed format:

	aikido-Asia-Aus-NZ.Z	(last updated 11-8-92)
	aikido-Europe.Z		(last updated 11-8-92)
	aikido-North-America.Z	(last updated 12-28-92)

There are also 7 plain text files:

	HOWTO        (this file - last updated 1-5-93)
	FORMAT       (style guide for dojo listings)
	books.AN     (books and videos available through Aiki News)
	books.ATM    (books and videos available through Aikido Today Magazine)
	periodicals  (list of aikido periodicals)
	primer       (an aikido primer by E. Sotnak)
	seminars     (list of upcoming aikido seminars)

An example of how joe@cs.podunk.edu would obtain a list via anonymous FTP:

	% ftp cs.ucsd.edu
	User: anonymous
	Password: joe@cs.podunk.edu
	ftp> cd pub/aikido
	ftp> binary
	ftp> get aikido-North-America.Z
	ftp> quit
	%

Your domain must have a working nameserver in order to use anonymous
FTP at cs.ucsd.edu, otherwise FTP access will be denied if the
IP address for your site cannot be resolved to a hostname.  In that
case, use an FTP mailer instead.

The lists are also available via email through an FTP mailer such 
as ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, for example:

	% mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
	connect cs.ucsd.edu
	binary
	chdir /pub/aikido
	get aikido-North-America.Z
	quit
	.
	%

(For more info on FTP mailer usage, send the message HELP to the mailer.)

The file is sent as ASCII (using the btoa filter), and will need to be 
decoded back to compressed format.  Strip off the mail headers using
an editor (such as vi or emacs), then run atob (btoa -a).

Use the "uncompress" command to change the file into a readable format:

	% uncompress aikido-North-America.Z

Additions, modifications, and suggestions should be sent to:

	 aikido@cs.ucsd.edu

Onegaishimasu!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:29:13 CST
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: nelsons
 <93003.030716U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <4456@unisql.UUCP>
 <1993Jan7.160934.1@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk>

>I don't know how _likely_ it is, but I can tell you that if they get it on
>properly then you're NOT going to get out of it.  If they sit you on your bum
>(them behind you) then you can't use your legs, you can't throw, they've got
>both your arms and your neck is about to break - if you ever feel someone
>going
>for a full Nelson, then react FAST - before their hands/arms are fully in
>position, other wise you're buggered

  I think I mentioned something of the sort.  However, with my
sphagetti-like shoulders I can get out of attempts at a nelson bt pretty
much most people, and I think someone that highly trained would opt
for something more lethal if he had my back and me unawares.

  However, I have practiced this.  When the person is applying the
nelson, I disentangle the left arm with a sharp elbow down, reach up
and grab the other hand( they're distracted blocking the elbow, pivot
on the right foot, extend my armsGrab the person's trapped wrist with
my other hand, and have the option of either moving sideways and breaking
the elbow, or miving straight forward into a sihonage.

  Okay, It's not foolproof, but it's cool-looking.  ;)


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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Karate Kata question: tekki series
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:55:41 GMT

Yes, all the tekkis (shodan, nidan, sandan) have movements to right and left but
they are different from each other in the means of blocks, counter and block,
internal feelings inside the body, timing and etc. 
Tekki sandan is more difficult than the other two tekkis. I like all the 
tekkis and tekki sandon is my favorite.

How is the naihanchi kata compare to tekkis in Shotokan?.

Thanks,

Haj

acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
: 
: i have a question about shotokan tekki shodan, nidan and sandan.
: 
: the movement for tekki shodan is more or less left/right. is that the 
: same for tekki nidan as well as tekki sandan?
: 
: (by left/right i mean if i were facing north, all my movement would be
: along east-west).
: 
: also, if this is any help i think that the okinawa version of the tekki
: series is called naihanchi.
: 
: thanks,
: 
: mukund
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