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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:49:00 EDT
From:         FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: LANGUAGE AND P.C.

Lyle:

  I agree that Politically Correct language is not cure for the problems
of society, and that it should not be used to try and solve complex social
issues.  I do have to disagree with you in that I believe these new
politically correct terms are a much needed adjuvant to change. I mean if
we find ways to alter societal imposed sexual inequalities what good does
it do you if there are no terms to decribe the new climate, or if your old
terms are still reflex the original social inequality? I mean, what do YOU
call a woman who is leader of an organisation if not CHAIRPERSON? Surely
not CHAIRMAN! And as we try to solve the problems of racial tension that
trouble our country, shouldn't we move on from RACIAL terms (race - denoting
a grouping of people based on certain specified physical atributes) and
standardize our nomanclature with terms like African American which is
congruent with the Geographic-Origin names associated with other groups
(e.g. Irish-American, Chinese-American). I mean if a name holds no power
what so ever, how do you explain the strong implication of the word
NIGGER.
   In closing, many studies have show the power of language to influence
a persons thinking. One study comes to mind in which a group of Native-
Americans who's language contains no word for the color "green" were
shown 3 cards of different colors (2 "green" 1 "blue") and asked to pick
the two cards closest together in color. The Native-Americans picked the
two cards closest together on the spectrum (in this case a "green" card
and a "blue" card), but English Speakers consistantly pick the
2 "green" cards (Which were actually father apart than the green and
blue on the spectrum), simply because thier language contained the
word GREEN and this caused Thier minds to group the 2 "green" cards
together (note, the spectrum is continuous, and our ideas of
different colors just arbatrary point on it)
   I don't know if that made any sense, but mabe it
will generate some discussion

Sean "Doc Syracuse" Farquharson
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From:         "(Currie Thompson)" <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Americas Film Festival

>Are these film subtitled or dubbed?
>Where do I get a schedule?

The films are subtitled.  Schedule booklets can be picked up at the
Kennedy Center AFI Theater.  If you are curious to know the schedule and
can't stop by, here at least is a list of titles:
October 9: 6:00 EL BULTO (EXCESS BAGGAGE) Mexico
           8:00 BUSTER'S BEDROOM -- Canada
           10:00 SIEMPRE ES DIFICIL VOLVER A CASA (IT IS ALWAYS HARD TO
                       RETURN HOME) -- Argentina and a very mediocre film in
                          my view (I saw it this summer)
October 10: 5:00 DISPAREN A MATAR (SHOOT TO KILL) Venezuela
            7:00 ON THE TRAIL OF BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (Bolivia)
              and SEVILLANAS (Spain)
            10:00 RETRATO DE FAMILIA (FAMILY PORTRAIT) Portugal
October 11: 6:30 PRIDE AND JOY: THE STORY OF ALLIGATOR RECORDS (USA)
            9:00 MARTES DE CARNIVAL (MARDI GRAS) Spain
October 12: 6:30 LUNA LLENA (FULL MOON) Venezuela
            9:00 CAIDOS DEL CIELO (FALLEN FROM HEAVEN) Peru
October 13: 6:30 LA FRONTERA (THE FRONTIER) Chile--Silver Bear at Berlin
                        Film Festival this fall
            9:15 CONTERRANEO VELHO DE GUERRA (THE SAGA)  Brazil
October 14: 6:30 WALLS AND BRIDGES (USA)
            9:00 UN LUGAR EN EL MUNDO (A PLACE IN THE WORLD) Argentina-- an
                    excellent film, in my view, and 1st place at this year's

                    Sab Sebastian festival
October 15: 6:30 TECNICAS DE DUELO (DETAILS OF A DUEL) Colombia
            8:45 O CORPO (THE BODY) Brazil
October 16: 6:30 LA SEGUA   (Costa Rica)
            9:00 VALHALLA (USA)
           11:00 CONTE DE CIELONE EN SETEMBRE (TALES OF HURRICANES)  Guadalupe
October 17: 4:00 LUMUMBA--LA MORT DU PROPHETE (LUMUMBA--DEATH OF A
                    PROPHET)  Germany/Switzerland  (And don't ask me why
                    this film has been include in a selection of films from
                    the Americas.  I certainly don't know.  Even the Spanish
                    selections are beyond my power to explain--but I assume
                    the idea in that case is that even though Spain is in
                    Europe, most of the Americas are Spanish speaking.)
          6:00 UN SUEN~O EN EL ABISMO (A DREAM IN THE ABYSS)--Venezuela
          8:00 MANUFACTURING CONSENT: NOAM CHOMSKY AND THE MEDIA--Canada
October 18: 9:30 ARCHIPIELAGO (ARCHIPELAGO) -- Venezuela
Currie Thompson
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Jeff (and others), I don't mean just the special edition of Fatal Attraction.
For instance, would you purchase the fully restored version of Aliens, The
Abyss, Basic Instinct, etc.?  Is it really worth it to pay extra for those
extra footage, director's commentaries, etc.?

Euge
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Date: 13 Oct 92 16:58:49 GMT
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>                          FESTIVAL CALENDAR
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>...

Oct. 29-Nov. 1          Virginia Festival of American Film
800.UVA.FEST
(Sidney Poitier, Robert Duvall, Roger Ebert, the authors of _Driving Miss
Daisy_, and _Rambling Rose_)

>...
>||
>||  TEASERS
>||--------------------------------------------------------------------
>...
>    The Age of Innocence, D, Michelle Pfeiffer, Daniel-Day Lewis,
>        Winona Ryder, Dir: Martin Scorsese, December
>...

I had heard that this was delayed by as much as a year, anyone know more
details on this one?

>...
>    Sessions, Thr, Alan Alda, Annabelle Sciorra, Jill Clayburgh,
>        Dir: Chris Crowe, fall

Wasn't this called _Whispers in the Dark_?  I saw it at the beginning of
August.


Also, Nicholson's _A Few Good Men_ is opening against Nicholson's _Hoffa_
on December 11th.  (Friday's Washington Post)

----
Thanks, Bill!

-scott
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Subject:      Dead Ringers/Twins

Sorry for bringing up an old subject, but what is the
author's name who wrote _Twins_, the book that _Dead Ringers_
was based on?

Thanks,

Susan
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Subject:      Re: Haggis References

Scott writes:
>Our dotty friend, Liam, writes:
>>>>> BTW, I'm Scottish, and I hate whisky.  Most whisky, anyway... I am rather
>>> fond of Southern Comfort.  I loathe haggis, too.  Apart from the fact that
>>>> it tastes horrible, I find it morally objectionable that people insist
>>>> on eating an animal that is facing extinction.
>>>
>>>Since when is the sheep facing extinction?
>>
>>Ah, you're talking about "haggis substitute".  That's fine, eat as much as
>>you want (it still tastes horrible, though).  I was talking about _real_
>>haggis, as found in the mountainous highlands of Scotland.  Hunting
>>them for food has caused wild haggis numbers to drop drastically in recent
>>years.
>
>from the Online OED:
>Concise Oxford Dictionary, 8th Ed., Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press
>
>/haggis/ <<"h&gIs>> n.[Food][Cookery] a Scottish dish consisting of a
>sheep's or calf's offal mixed with suet, oatmeal, etc., and boiled in a bag
>made from the animal's stomach or in an artificial bag.
>
>ME: orig. unkn.
>
>from Webster's Online Dictionary:
>hag.gis \'hag-*s\ n [ME hagese] : a pudding esp. popular in Scotland made
>   of the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep or a calf minced with suet,
>   onions, oatmeal, and seasonings and boiled in the stomach of the animal
>
>Yesterday, was Mad Hatter day, Liam.  Care to explain your comment?


Scott, at the risk of sounding rude (I just hate being rude), have you
looked up the definition of JOKE?

        Just out of curiosity, when did this exchange take place? Thank you
for including it all in your post because I missed it on the first
go-round. What brought haggis up...I mean, why did the subject arise
in the first place?

                        Sue
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Date: 13 Oct 92 22:07:27 GMT
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Lynn: --Now you know why NPR film critic
Tom Shales (sp?) said that, for all practical purposes, Mann's MOHICANS movie
could replace this classroom "classic."  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:57:20 -0500
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: All the Presidential Men

TO RDC,SJ-

Your assessment for the Presidental campaign via Cinema-l (movie review)
style was brilliant.  I know I could not have done a better review myself.

If you are not a journalist, have you considered publishing that on paper?
It was better than the reviews I read from our local paper.

Carol Doms
University of Missouri-Kansas City
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:37:20 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Dracula

> brides aren't just standing around; they actually rape Harker--when I read
> that, it filled my child's heart with enthusiasm.
>

>>Sounds like his "child's heart" is pretty sick, to me.  Just my HO.

Doesn't sound sick to me.  Young boys and many men hold dear the idea
of being ravished by two or more women at once.  It's that
testosterone stuff cursing through their bodies.  That's probably why
there are so many Playboy/Hustler type magazines and only one Playgirl
(which is mainly read by male homosexuals BTW).  Biology, plain and
simple.

Jennifer


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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:13:40 -0500
From:         "(Currie Thompson)" <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Americas Film Festival

   For those who live in or near D.C. or Los Angeles, last night marked
the beginning of the AFI's 6th Americas Film Festival--a good opportunity
to see some (mostly Hispanic) films that won't be in your local theater.
No doubt the quality of the selection will vary a great deal, but I can
vouch for Adolfo Aristarain's UN LUGAR EN EL MUNDO (A PLACE IN THE WORLD),
which just won first place in San Sebastian and which I saw last summer in
Buenos Aires.  And I am eager to see Chilean Ricardo Lorrain's LA FRONTERA
(THE FRONTIER), which won a Silver Bear at the 1992 Berlin Festival.
Currie Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:10:27 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: LANGUAGE AND P.C.

Subj:   LANGUAGE AND P.C.

>          Well, fortunately or unfortunately depending on your views, there
>          is  a  very  real connection  in  America  between  language  and
>          political correctness (such connection being seen by  some  as  a
>          naive attempt  at quick-fixing political problems  by  trying  to
>          tell people what words to  use  in discussing them).  Witness the
>          widely differing examples of  the blacks who  want  to  be called
>          African Americans, the people who  are trying  to  get Library of
>          Congress to  change  our subject heading from  Eskimo Indians  to
>          Inuits (what they call themselves), and the push from back in the
>          60s and 70s, still with us to some degree, to help correct sexism
>          by promoting such vile neologisms as spokesperson and chairperson
>          (I applaud the politics behind it but these words make me shudder
>          as  a wordsmith and  I  think  it's  a simplistic approach  to  a
>          complex issue).
>
>          Lyle Smythers, Library of Congress

The phenomenon of "political correctness" spawning gross neologisms
is yet another sign of our republic's bad conscience.  It seems that our
greatest fear today is to appear impolite.  But the problems we have
will not be cured by debasing the language to appease every individual
and every faction's sense of justice.

j-man

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:36:25 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Jaws and Spielberg

>> From:         GEORGE RAISER <ST402234@BROWNVM.BITNET>
>
>> I just saw JAWS again the other night.  It seems that the direction of
>> this movie couldn't have been better, and the soundtrack was extremely
>> effective.  Do people think that S. Speilberg should have won the Academy
>> for best director for this work?  If you try to forget all of the
>> terrible movies made after it that tried to play on this action/horror
>> genre and remember its novelty, you could make a point for this.
>
>Sure, I thought the direction was fine.  I recently saw it again myself
>after many years and had much the same reaction as you.   My question
>is, whatever happened to the Spielberg who directed JAWS?  In my
>humble opinion, Spielberg began a downslide that started with E.T.
>
>Spielberg's CE3K is one of my all-time favorite movies (and I only
>have three of 'em), but I haven't been too impressed with much of
>his subsequent work.  I know it's "C.C."  (Cinematically Correct) to
>rag on Mr. Spielberg, but I really >have< grown disenchanted
>with much of his film work.   Could it be that my tastes have
>changed as I've "grown up"?
>Comments?  I'm sure there will be some...  <g>
>

If I may tag on here,

I would really love to see Speilberg work with a very tight
budget (ala Jaws).  I too have become disenchatened with his
work and I wonder how much of his vision has been blurred
by the huge amounts of money he is allowed to make a picture.

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     07-Oct-1992 02:27pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: The Biting of the Rump

kjf-

Geez, I'm puzzled, it works when I do it.  You need a character witness?

Ellen
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:27:14 -0400
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      COOPER AS WRITER

Yes, Mark Twain's "Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses" is one of the
funniest bits of criticism I've read.
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Subject:      Re: WAR!!!

Joe,

"Hearts and Minds" (1974) is the Vietnam film you're thinking of.  Should
be available for$19.95 from MPI Home Video, 15825 Rob Roy Drive, Oak Forest,
IL 60452; (800) 323-0442.  Jeff Clark
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     15-Oct-1992 09:13am DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: RE: review

Just wanted to let you know that I've loved your reviews of this carnival
they've been calling politics.  I guess it all boils down to "the lesser of two
weevils," as we say in rural central Pennsylvania.  Or was that three weevils?

:)

Anita
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:18:05 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Film language

Sorry for the typos in the previous message.  I see I even left out a couple
words.  (I *meant* to do that one.  "couple OF words")  But I reread
Peter's message and I realize that he said quite clearly that in his view
the move from text to film is adaptation.  I would guess that the distinction
between translation and adaptation depends upon whether one considers
film to be a system of signs which is appropriately called a language.

The most thorough examination of this question, as far as I know, is
Christian Metz's  _Film Language:  A Semiotics of the Cinema_.  Of course
that's the *translated* title.  Er, I read some in the original, the majority
in translation.  I think Metz makes a good case, and that once one
concedes that the code system of film is a language (which evolves, has
national dialects, etc.), then translation is a possibility as well as is
adaptation.  I opt for the Jakobsonian wider use of the term "translation",
but I don't usually think of it as "fightin' words".

But if we want to distinguish between adaptation and translation, I think
we should look to texts. I've asked about Pope's Homer and other examples,
but apparently haven't yet hit on one that others know or care about.
Peter, if you want to continue this, perhaps you could suggest a
particular literary period?  Did Pound do translations, adaptations, or both?
What about Joyce's works in other languages:  is the Italian version of
the ALP part of Finnegans Wake an adaptation, or translation, or ???

Rick Francis
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That was a >great< essay.

Ellen
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Subject:      re:the last of the mohicans

From: bc205z16@hofstra.bitnet
Subject: re:the last of the mohicans

saw the last of the mohicans thought that it was an exceptionally good
film...the idea of a tragic love set against the beauty of N. Carolina and
(literally) bombarded with scenes of war was extremely powerful.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:43:19 CDT
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Subject:      Rocky

One of my favorite movies of all times.  Sexist?  I don't think
so.  Adrian helped out Rocky by loving him for who he was.  Rocky
helped out Adrian by loving her for who she was.  What was so
sexist about this?  If anything it was a movie about liberation.
Adrian breaks from her ugly home life with mean brother Pauly.
Rocky turns a corner in his life by deciding to take a serious shot
at something.  The movie spoke to me about human dignity. AND NOT
BECAUSE ROCKY WENT THE DISTANCE.  But because Rocky lifts a bum
out of the street and brings him into a place a little warmer and
a little dryer.  Because Rocky goes back and makes peace with
Mick.  Because Rocky decides that breaking people's bones is not a
nice way to make a living.  Because Adrian confronts Pauly for abusing
her so much over the years.  Because Adrian decides to take a chance
and love.  I don't get the sexist thing at all.

I suppose somebody at Yale would be happier if one day
Adrian woke up and decided to apply to law school?  Would it
then be non-sexist?  Or would it be non-sexist if Rocky realized
the real masculine brutal trap that he had to live in day in and
day out and hence decided to work at a college woman's center,
would it be non-sexist then?  Then would it be o.k. for you?

Rocky sexist,  yah so was Norman Rockwell, oh yah I guess
Frank Capra was sexist too (after all Mary played the part of
a housewife...How completely predictable, how stereotypical, how sexist
Yah, we sure couldn't have a nice decent movie that we all
feel good about.  We sure couldn't portray real people doing
real things, people might not be politically correct all the
time.  How terrible.


Ok, I'm done venting now.  Thank you

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: southern comfort/haggis

>
>southern comfort/haggis
>
 Anita writes:
>
>Maybe Liam's confusion over the exact ingredients of haggis results from too
>liberal an application of Southern Comfort.  (My drink of choice, as
>well--Cheers, Liam!)
>
>;-)

 Oh no, Liam is quite right!  The poor little haggis beasties have been
 hunted almost out of existance.  You see, the simple, peace-loving animals
 are quite specialized and well designed for grazing on the hillsides of the
 Scottish Highlands.  They have four legs, but their left legs are shorter
 than their right legs.(or is it the other way around?  I can't remember.
 I suppose there are both right-legged and left-legged hassis', although
 I've never seen either.)
 Anyway, this allows for easy grazing and walking around the Highlands.
 The only problem is that it is VERY easy to catch one!  You just chase it
 the opposite direction that it was designed to walk!

 --Gayle Gleason

But I LIKE to eat haggis, with plenty of Islay malt scotch to wash it down!
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