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From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Brewer's Yeast -- Beware!  (was Re: Brewers Yeast??????)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:23:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <KRYSTEK.92Aug27114552@alcor.bms.com> krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek) writes:
>
>I know the question has been asked before, 
>but, what is the correct amount of Brewers Yeast to give
>per pound of dog flesh?   mg Brewers yeast / pound

This is an opportunity for me to post something I've been meaning to for
a while --  If you have an older dog, at least, be careful with the brewer's 
yeast!  I can't back this up scientifically, but this is what I observed:

First the background.  I have a 13 1/2 year old 75 lb. Great Dane/Labrador/
German Shepherd mix bitch.  I also have a 5 year old dog.  The old dog isn't 
much bothered by fleas, but the younger one is very allergic to them.

This year is yet another terrible flea season here in northern California and I
worried about keeping my younger dog on regular prednisone to counteract his
allergy.  So I decided to try the folk remedy of brewer's yeast to repel the
fleas.  I bought a big bottle of powder at the pet food store and put in on
their food.  Now I don't remember the exact dosage, but it's along the lines of
1 tsp for small dogs, 2 for medium, 4 for large, and double that during flea
season, so I was giving the old dog large quantities of the stuff on her food.

The old dog has had weakening back legs for a while, but during this period
it became much worse.  It was obviously difficult for her to get up, and her
legs would tremble terriibly even when she was just standing still.  On
walks, a moderate jerk of the leash or a misstep on her part would send her
crashing to the ground, and sometimes she would stay down for a while as if
not sure she could pick herself up.  It was very upetting and very sad.  I
at first took it to be just the inevitable degeneration of aging, and assumed
that the suddenness of it was just because dogs deteriorate fast when they age.

Then I happened to read a post in sci.med, asking whether brewer's yeast,
(taken by humans, I assume) exacerbated arthritis.  Click!  I never did see
any answer to this, by the way, but I said to myself, "I wonder if this could
have anything to do with Nova's leg problem?".  Well, I stopped giving her the
yeast that night and within a couple of weeks she was much improved.  I won't
try the stuff on her again!  (It didn't help with the fleas a bit anyway.)

I would like to know if anyone knows of any medical basis for this.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: Show points and the mass of confusion
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.203304.4367@pmafire.inel.gov>, cdm@pmafire.inel.gov
(Dale Cook) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Aug25.171646.5730@ctr.columbia.edu> mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
> >
> >Hi Everybody - 
> >
> >I just wanted to add to the general confusion on a couple of points:
> >
> >   1) Champions of Record *CAN* be entered and shown in the regular
> >      classes. I've never understood the reasoning behind this or why
> >      anyone would want to do it, but there is NO AKC rule against it
> >      and I have been at shows where it has occured.
> 
> I can think of two:
> 
>    - To up the number of entries so as to help increase the number of
>      points available to be won.
> 
>    - You *really* dislike someone and want to make it harder for their
>      dog to win points.  Don't laugh - it has probably happened.  Kind
>      of like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but some people...
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ...Dale Cook    "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
>                    ---J. Danforth Quayle
> The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aaaawwwww, now c'mon.  The good sports in the world of dog
shows would *never* consider doing anything as nasty, spiteful,
sneaky and underhanded as this.........................would they ?   

;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)  ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-) 
 ;-)   ;-)


Kathy (tee-hee)
---------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: ferret bitting
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:33:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

If a ferrit is 7-8 weeks old, what is the advice on training it.
Right now the ferrit has just come home from the pet store and is
brand new to the familly.  He is bitting a fair amount, which concerns
me.  I`ve seen others talk something about using an apple??

Also, the ferrit is in a new cage with new bedding.  He is sneezing an
aweful lot.  I do not know if he has a cold, or if it is the dust from
the cage bedding.

Any first-timer advice would be great.  I want to be kind to the
little guy, but the bitting could become dangerous... especially if
someone else is holding him.  I really doubt that lightly bopping him
on the nose is going to stop it.  Of course, it might be his age.

Thanks in advance
Brian
kowal@aludra.usc.edu



























































Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: genam@microsoft.com (Gena Merritt)
Subject: Re: Cockatoos info
Date: 03 Sep 92 20:15:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: rec.pets.birds

In article <1992Aug25.200248.1946@apgea.army.mil> sjnaccar@apgea.army.mil (Susan J. Naccarato <sjnaccar>) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there have any Cockatoos, specifically Moluccan?  My
>friend and I are about to acquire one and have heard things about them
>that wasn't too flattering, e.g. extremely noisy, demanding, can snap
>your wrist with their bills, ect.  But also, that they can be very
>loving and pretty decent talkers.  They'll be hand fed babies (from
>a friend).  Just would like to hear what some people who have them
>or know about think of them.  We have Cockatiels, so we're not totally
>ignorant when it comes to birds.

My ex has a Moluccan and he is loud at times but they are very intelligent! They are also very loving. I would get one I could!
>
From: wls@astro.umd.edu (William L. Sebok)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Bitter Apple
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:09:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <jensen.715461494@graphite10> jensen@rtsg.mot.com (James D. Jensen) writes:

>Does Bitter Apple smell to humans? and if so how strong is it? 

It smells like rubbing alcohol till the alcohol evaporates.  Then I can't
smell it.

>Does anyone know if it is helpful in stopping Chinchillas from
>chewing on things, such as wood trim and electrical cords?

I don't know about Chinchillas but it seems to have been effective in keeping
our ferrets from chewing on the cords to my synthesizer.

-- 
Bill Sebok      Univ. of Maryland, Astronomy    Internet: wls@astro.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: gittel@nynexst.com (Kathleen Gittel)
Subject: Re: Invisible fence info needed
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:58:43 GMT

Yes, it works and it is certainly humane--I use invisible fencing
for my 4 cats--yes, my cats.!

One thing though--you still need to be home when they are using
the fence, because it isn't perfect, and a highly motivated
animal will run through the 12 feet of pulsating electrical shocks
and suddenly be outside the protective fencing and get an
electric shock every time it tries to come home.

Also, the shock is hefty and at first your pet is going to be
fairly horrified--but aversion is quickly learned.

Good luck


Kathy 


Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Dogs/Cats in yard:Question...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:25:25 GMT

A friend of mine has been having a problem with neighborhood
dogs and cats coming into his yard to 'do their business'.

Do the bottles of water set out at the edge of the yard
really work in keeping the dogs and cats out?

If the water bottles do work.... why?/how?


Tamara
(I live in an apartment and occasionally splash some
ammonia along the patio edge and in the carport. I've
heard this is not supposed to work, but it does for me.
Can't be splashing ammonia about on a lawn though|)

Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.herp
From: bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle)
Subject: Burmese pythons for sale
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:44:45 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa



		 For Sale

I have several hatchling Burmese pythons for sale.  They
are captive bred offspring from a long line of captive bred
Burmese pythons and are beautiful and healthy.  All are 
feeding well.  They hatched May '92.

Normal pattern Burmese    $100
Green (Patternless) phase Burmese    $350

Anyone interested please e-mail or call me:

bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu
Barry Breffle
(319)354-8625

(prices do not include shipping, if required)

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Ferrets and Wind
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125258.10215@genome.wi.edu> gsouth@genome.wi.edu (Genome South user) writes:
>We used to have a ferret that went absolutely CRAZY when we turned
>the blow dryer on him (on the "low" setting, of course).  He would
>jump up and down, twisting inthe air, biting the air stream, etc.
>They're just weird.

When I got my first ferret, she was afraid of the vaccuum cleaner.  When
I got the second one, she was not only not afraid of it, she wanted to
attack it.  She grabbed the end of the hose and her face got sucked into
it.  I was afraid that it would suck her eyes out of her head!  It never
did, even thought she kept doing it whenever she got the chance; she
really seemed to enjoy it.  Weird indeed!
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: palmj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Subject: Ferret Biting...
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:13:15 GMT

I have been amazed at the "tuffness" of ferrets.  I've watched one rat
bite another and clamp on to the others nose (with an open mouth) and
drag it accross the floor (OUCH!).

JP

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor)
Subject: Equine Newsgroup
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:32:29 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

Forgive me if this is a FAQ, but is there a newsgroup for subjects
dealing with horses?

Please reply by email since I don't usually read this newsgroup.

Thanks.


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Phone:    (407) 724-7607	     |	P.O. Box 883, MS #62B-022
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From: ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferrets & 'Putty 'Tats
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:05:57 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

We have 5 ferrets and 3 felines! 
The last introduction was a 10 week old kitten to 5 adult ferrets.
The ferrets gave the kitten a sniff and figured 'big deal another cat'.
The Kitten, Turbo, thought ferrets were just made for him to pounce on.
The most 'warm and fuzzy' thing happened with the female ferrets.
When Turbo was playing with the 'girls' he would get carried away in
typical kitten fashion and start digging with his hind feet. The ferrets
did not like this action so they (at different times) carefully bit Turbo
on the front leg. Gently at first, then harder, then HARDER, until they
made Turbo yowl. We called this Kitten Calibration. We know that the
ferrets were trying to find out how hard they had to bite the new kid
to make him stop kicking without 'lunching' him. Now they all know
exactly how hard they can bite him to make him pay attention.

BTW: I think your wrong about the cat hurting the ferret, it's going to
     be the other way around. I'm glad we have never had an altercation but,
     I've been told if there was ever a serious altercation between a cat
     and a ferret... The cat's history.

Ferrets have extremely tough skin. Which is why they have to be taught
not to bite their humans very hard. When ferrets are growing up they
play very rough and bite each other pretty hard. Ferrets are also very
strong and fast. Our ferrets can 'lose' a cat in a high speed chase in
a flash. While the cat is trying to find the 'missing' ferret he 
normally gets ambushed from behind.

Our first ferret thought it was great sport to pounce on a cats back
and hang on for a wild ride. The cats really hated to be pounced on!

Keep your eye on the pair for a few days, but it sounds like everything
is working out nicely.

'nuf ramblin'
Jerry

owned by:
Maudi, Bryn, Bennet, Toby and Bobbin     Magelan, Willie and Turbo
                  ^                                  ^
               ferrets                             felines
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From: nabritta@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Nigel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Dog Jumps Fences
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:46:23 GMT

I have a problem with my 2 year old male Boxer dog. We cannot leave him 
home on his own for any short periods of time without him jumping the 
fences. We have had him desexed, as the vet told us that he would be 
less likely to roam , but this has had no effect. Also, we have erected 
a sort of wire overhang on the fence, which hangs inwards toward the 
yard at about 45 degrees to the top of the yard, at the instruction of
the obedience school. As our yard slopes, the fence at one end is much
lower than the fence at the other (approx 1.5-2 metres high at the 
lowest point) he has managed to clear the fence and the wire without 
the usual scrambling over the top. What I need is some other suggestions
(preferably obedience related) of how I can stop him jumping the fence,
without adding any more huge amounts of unsightly wire and other 
contraptions to our fence.

Nigel

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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: So. Florida Horse Relief Aid
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:52:46 GMT



I'm sure there are people out in netland who would like to
help the injured and homeless horses in South Dade Florida.  I
just called the South Dade Animal Relief organization.  They
are handling the horse relief.  Right now they need donations
of money to buy feed, medication, supplies, etc.

They are a federally monitored relief organization.  I asked,
and all money donated is going to relief efforts not
administration.  They are set up taking care of severly
injured horses that are being brought to Tropical Park in
Miami.

If you want to donate, send donations to:

   South Dade Animal Relief
   c/o Barnett Bank
   P.O. Box 026006
   Miami, FL  33102-6006

If you want your money to be used for some specific item (e.g,
medication), write that at the top of your check.  The woman I
spoke with (I explained the net and told her I was posting this 
message) said that all donations are also tax deductible, if
that was any concern.

If you live in this area and want to volunteer, call
  Command Central at Barn E at Tropical
  (305)554-5023
  (305)223-8526

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From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Baby Bunny problems
Summary: Some suggestions...
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:17:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Sep2.142429.2287@lester.appstate.edu>, RS_NUSSLEBR@APPSTATE.EDU (*Bob Nussle) writes:

First, get lactobacillus acidophilus into them FAST!! (Can get in
liquid or powdered form from health food stores, or in paste form
for cattle at agricultural feed stores--Probios is one such paste
and about 90% of all rabbits seem to love it.)  Continue giving it
in their water, food--wherever--until they're gaining weight on
their own and eating solids (or until they're at least 8 weeks
old).  It won't hurt to give it forever...

Second, give them a milk substitute for kittens (e.g., KMR).  If
necessary, get bottles for kittens and feed them that way, but
hurry, because they lose the sucking instinct rapidly.  
Continue to make ground pellets and hay available to them.  Wipe
them off carefully after meals, especially under the chin and
under the base of the tail to help them urinate and keep clean
there.  Check the weight of each one (a postage scale is ideal)
daily and hand-feed if any isn't gaining weight daily.

Don't give the babies vegetables until they're a LOT older.  And 
I wouldn't give them grain or sugar either--both will cause gas in
the hind gut and could lead to death.  Hay should always be
available.

By the way, for both the doe and the babies, the pellets should be
one designed for lactating does and their babies (e.g., Manna Pro's
"Family Ration").

Be sure that the babies are keeping warm.  The nest they're in
should be fine as long as they cuddle together.  DON'T put them on
a heating pad!!

For the doe, give her lactobacillus also, as quickly as possible.
Make a mush by soaking 1 part pellets in 2 parts water, put it
through a blender for a good long while, add lactobacillus, and
hand feed with a feeding syringe.  GET FOOD INTO HER, but be
careful to put it in her mouth, not force it down her throat (you
don't want it in her lungs).  You can use this for the babies also
if they need additional feeding.  I would be very careful about the
calf manna--a tiny, tiny bit a day is all a rabbit can handle.  In
fact, I found that it was so rich that it almost invariably caused
bunnies digestive problems, so I gave it to a friend with calves.


> trying to eat -- these babies are tiny.  I have also offered them condensed
> milk mixed with evaporated milk -- sugar for quick energy, especially when I
I do hope these little ones make it.  When you start looking for
homes, try to find people who will commit to getting them
spayed/neutered when they are old enough.  They'll make much better
pets and remain much healthier.

Good luck, and keep us posted on your progress.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Boy does this mouse stink!
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:39:56 GMT

6 days ago we bought our 8-year-old son a small white mouse.  We bought 
all the accoutrements as well, and set his cage up in my son's room.
Within one hour the room and the hall smelled so bad we were all starting
to swoon.  Each day when we come home from school and work, the smell greets
us at the door.  We've been racking our brains about what to do about this.
My son doesn't want to get rid of this mouse (and we're trying now to
see if his 3rd grade teacher will allow it to move to their classroom),
but I can't see an alternative.  The stench is overpowering, and since
it started as soon as we brought the mouse home, it couldn't be a dirty
cage or old shavings, etc.  It's the MOUSE, probably his stool.

We bought him one of those freedom balls to roll around the house in,
but in a very short time he fills it with an unbelievable amount of stool 
which drops out the air holes as he rolls around, covering my kitchen floor
with mouse droppings.  His urine, I'm sure, is also dripping out the holes
onto the floor and the carpeting, so we're having to confine his constitu-
tionals to the garage.

I remember a number of years back when my older children were little we
had a hamster, a rat, and a de-scented ferret and although they didn't
smell GOOD, their scent was not overpowering and we could live with it.
But we can't live with this.

So, my questions are:  

    - is it commonly known that mice smell so much worse than all these 
      other little critters (if so, the pet department of WalMart cer-
      tainly didn't impart that to us)?  

    - Is there anything that can be done now (like, is there something we 
      can feed him that will help [he's eating hamster and gerbil food now],
      or can he be de-scented, like a ferret?  I frankly would feel pretty
      stupid paying a surgical fee to a vet for an animal that cost all of
      $1.76, but I'd do it to keep from breaking my son's heart])?  

Any ideas are welcome.

Jan
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: swoodcoc@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Markus Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Ferrets & 'Putty 'Tats
Organization: The Good Guys, Inc.                                   
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:17:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.154649.24678@midway.uchicago.edu> ar12@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The rest of the encounter went wuch the same. Their interaction consists
>of Monk swatting Gizmo, Gizmo "attacking" Monk, and so on. What concerns
>me is that Monk is not only about 3x Gizmo's size, but also is not de-clawed
>and should she really get irritated by my oblivious ferret (who by the way
>never knows where the fun stops) there's little doubt that she'd obliterate him.They've only had a about four supervised encounters so far so it's a bit early

Andre:

  Look, you don't have to worry about the ferret--any healthy ferret can
defend itself from a cat any day of the week.  It seems to me that the two
of them are getting along just fine for this stage of things, and I predict
that they'll be friends in a couple of weeks.
 
Steven W.
One of the Good Guys

--
    "...Men will awake presently and be Men again, and colour and laughter and
 splendid living will return to a grey civilization. But that will only come 
 true because a few Men will believe in it, and fight for it, and fight in its
 name against everything that sneers and snarls at that ideal..."
From: sjnaccar@apgea.army.mil (Susan J. Naccarato <sjnaccar>)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Cockatoos info
Keywords: rec.pets.birds
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:02:48 GMT
Organization: Edgewood


Does anyone out there have any Cockatoos, specifically Moluccan?  My
friend and I are about to acquire one and have heard things about them
that wasn't too flattering, e.g. extremely noisy, demanding, can snap
your wrist with their bills, ect.  But also, that they can be very
loving and pretty decent talkers.  They'll be hand fed babies (from
a friend).  Just would like to hear what some people who have them
or know about think of them.  We have Cockatiels, so we're not totally
ignorant when it comes to birds.


Susan