HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gorney@picard.med.ge.com (Felix Gorney Mfg 4-6983)
Subject: Re: Predictions for 1993
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 09:29:47 GMT

: 
: So we can't trust the liberal media.  But since Rush twists the truth
: in the opposite direction, we can't trust Rush, either.  
: 
: Balance?  Since when do two lies make a truth?  
: 
: Turning to Rush to learn about politics is like turning to "Married
: with Children" to learn about parenting skills.  Learn to tell the
: difference between news and entertainment.
:

Aha, so you admit that the media is  slanted. However it appears that so are you.You have made a broad statement, and offer no evidence of any lies that you say
Rush has perpetrated. Have you listned to Rush's show for more than a few days?
Maybee you don't like what was being said, because it disproves positions you
may hold near, and dear to yourself. The truth is sometimes hard to swallow.

As far as the media is concerned, I beleive it was Ben Franklin who said:

"The man who reads nothing but newspapers is less informed than the man who 
reads nothing at all."

To which I add:

The man who gets all his news from telivision is less informed than the man
who reads only newspapers.

Felix
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:58:36 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh, the waffle KING!

In article <4NOV199217352687@utkvx3.utk.edu>, drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik,
Steve) says:

>WAIT A MINUTE!  I thought this man was a *great* president!!!  The
>*best* man for the job!

Not a _great_ president, but easily the best of the 3 candidates running.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh Sucks
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:15:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.231547.19595@rose.com> jeff.beaty@rose.com (jeff beaty) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 11-10-92 18:12
>
>
>G |->Rush Limbaugh Sucks--Howard Stern is the King of ALL Media
>
>He can't be...Media includes television...Stern does not have a 
>national nightly television show...but seeing as how you are a fan of 
>Stern, I can see how you missed this simple and obvious point.

Didn't Rush say Stern was going to half a weekly half-hour show on 
the E! network? Still, I haven't seen any newsletters or books coming
out from Mr. Stern.
-- 
John Switzer               | Impeach Clinton!
                           | Support the coup!
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh: Victory from Defeat
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:38:41 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>       Our favorite radio boor has attempted to pull victory from
>defeat by calling the election a triumph for conservatism on the
>ground that Clinton had to move to the Right. 

    Especially amusing since Rush's line all year has been that Clinton 
was only pretending to move to the right. If Rush was correct then that 
would make the "Victory of Conservatism" a very insubstantial victory 
indeed.

>And this is someone whose candidate lost. I somehow expected him to jump 
>into the Sacramento River after this one, 

    Wishful thinking.

>but his ingenuity has been as entertaining as ever.

    Perhaps that is the real moral victory of Rush Limbaugh. You can defeat 
him candidate and call him names, but his spirit is undaunted, his courtesy 
(such as it is) intact, and his manner as composed as ever. It's difficult 
not to admire that sort of resilience.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Clinton wins in LANDSLIDE
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.035646.15531@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro) writes:

>>Remember that only one-sixth of the American population voted GHWB into office.
>>And the voter turnout this year was a record.
>>
>LOVE the way you jump from percentges to fractions to voter turnout records..
>but, er, what are you trying to say?  Funny, but facts and figures, when
>recognizable, always seem to work for me.  Looks like the smoke ran out of y
>your mirror.>

LOVE the way you repubs try to turn a loss into a win

try these on for size:

BUSH loses in the popular vote, garnering less than 40%, an incredibly
low number for an incumbent

BUSH LOSES even worse in the electoral vote, with every region in the country
except the great plains either split or overwhelmingly for clinton.

BUSH LOST. repeat this until you accept it.
From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush a bigot?  A case study.
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:03:43 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <1992Oct30.004206.15961@rchland.ibm.com>
jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
<In article <1992Oct29.202018.5399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
<Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert) writes:
<> Rush has often said that it is the feminazi's that control the feminist 
<> agenda and that most females who consider themselves feminists would not 
<> agree with that agenda, so I don't think it would be fair to accuse him of 
<> that.   After all, he does stress that you must be a regular listener to 
<> really understand him.   I agree.
<
<Rush also knows that many people do not understand what he is saying,
<and take it the wrong way.  He does this on purpose so that he can
<propose bigotted viewpoints with impunity.

In other words, Rush, you, and perhaps I, know better, but most people,
the great unwashed, will not.  They are stupid and Rush plays to their
bigotry.  Honestly Jared, I think it is you who is the bigot.

I think you unjustifiably underestimate his audience.  Moreover, I see
no reason to think Rush is being anything but honest and forthright in
his opinions.
-- 
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
From: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: God Help Us All! (mutter, mutter,) Amen!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:03:20 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <grendel.721285610@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
>He'd be a hell of a lot better choice than Thomas was.  The Court is supposed
>to be balanced.  Cuomo, a liberal, would do better than Thomas to balance out
>the ideology of the Court.

The court is to act as a balance beteen the congress and the prez.  No
where is it said the couurt is supposed to BE balanced,
 although I would think it would
be in the best long term interest of the land that it be balanced.


-- 
Marc Rassbach    marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
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Subject: Re: RUSH'S SHOW IS A BIT (ONLY DIDO HEADS DON'T G
From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:29:29 PST
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield
Summary: Get your meaning clear!

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE ORIGINAL POSTER MEANT BY THIS Subject: LINE,
but I can tell you this: Rush freely admits that his show is supposed to be
entertaining.
And that's "DITTO HEADS" to you, SIR.  Obviously you haven't listened to
Rush long enough or at the right times to understand either of these things.

Jennifer, Republican Extraordinaire, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that it's over, I've received 5:1 e-mail.  5 pro-Bush, isn't this great?
we're gonna win in '96 for sure! to each 1 pro-Clinton nyah.  In light of
this, I still don't understand how he got elected.
--------------------------------------------------
mandate, v.  Democrats saying, "All right! It's ours again! Let's SCREW 'EM!!"
landslide, n.  Election by 40% of the vote, 5 points above 2nd place.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Subject: Re: What is a Conservative?
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:43:34 GMT


    In my opinion, liberals accept the French Revolution, conservatives
do not.  Thus, there are several varieties of conservatives: some who
think the Revolution would have been good if..., some who agree with
some of the principles but reject the way it turned out, and some who
reject it root and branch.

    By the way, there is an excellent anthology compiled by a truly
great conservative, Russell Kirk, called, "The Portable Conservative
Reader."  It is part of the Viking Portables series.


John Rickert
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
From: c546-14@ugrads.eche.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: God Help Us All! (mutter, mutter,) Amen!
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:31:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Read Psalm 2:1-4 and you will be happier.

"The Lord laughed......"

*************************

Now from the Requiem Mass:

Lacrimosa dies illa
Qua resurget ex favilla
Judicandus homo reus

Confutatis maledictis
Flammis acribus addictis
Voca me cum beneditis

***********************

Amen.  Amen.  Kyrie eleison. 

Robert Knutson  ------ "GOD LOVES GOP."
From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton's promises
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:34:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

Rush, along with other conservatives, *savaged* Bush for breaking his
no new taxes pledge.  They told him it was a mistake to compromise
with the Dems, and that the only reason the Dems forced it was to use
it against him in the election.

Once again, the conservatives (Rush included) were right.

-- 
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Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
Naval Postgraduate School              |              
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: Clinton wins in LANDSLIDE
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:38:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Nov4.184729.17487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.152527.29320@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>>
>>Bill Clinton claims his landslide election is a clear mandate for
>>change!  Let's see, winning 43% of the vote is a landslide...
>>What's that you say, oh he won 33 states and therefore a the
>>_electoral vote_ for him was a landslide.... OIC
>>
>
>
>cut your whining. who gives a f**k what the press called it? the republicans
>LOST, with almost two-thirds of the entire electorate voting AGAINST the
>incumbent. try to start accepting this now.
>
>and again, the electoral college is how we elect the president; popular vote
>is NOT. dont blame the press for this.

You're right.  It's time for us to stop whining, to recognize that our system,
the greatest system in the world, bar none, has given us a new leader.  It's
time to get behind our new leader, to support him as much as possible, and,
when he screws up, to give him the boot in '96.  


===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: No Liberals here! (was Re: Hey! Now It's ALL CLINTON's Fault!)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:24:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Nov6.170127.2703@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:

>Glad to see you've recovered from the election. NB: liberal is not leftist.

Bet Me!

Ted


-- 
            

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
From: mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh: Victory from Defeat
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:45:20 GMT
Organization: UB

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	Our favorite radio boor has attempted to pull victory from
>defeat by calling the election a triumph for conservatism on the
>ground that Clinton had to move to the Right. And this is someone
>whose candidate lost. I somehow expected him to jump into the
>Sacramento River after this one, but his ingenuity has been as
>entertaining as ever.

	Yes, Bush lost, but because he had moved TO THE LEFT.  That moderate
in conservative's clothing is a disgrace to the Republican Party.  The voters
meted out punishment according.  Unfortunately, the cure is worse than the 
disease.
-- 
Matt Bernhardt
University of Buffalo            If it is to be, it is up to me.
mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Keywords: rush.limbaugh
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:55:04 GMT
Organization: UNLV

In article <confused.721024587@cwis> confused@cwis.unomaha.edu (stephen richard smith) writes:
>
>
>  If a couple of arrogant facists( didn't see any Bush supporters attempting
>to silence all the Clinton socialists,did we now)<-NOTICE THE FUCKING COMMA
									^^
Comma? Glad i dont go to your university!  :)

> ASSHOLE have the power (I doubt it-unless they started the group)to remove
> alt.rush let them. I will have a replacement up within one-two weeks. And
> anyone of any political bent will be welcome. Because unlike Mr. MAC and
> that other ASS.True Rush fans are not afraid of opposing political views.
>
>
> FOR four yrs we prayed that nothing would happen to Bush(although Quayle is
>fully capable of assuming the duties) now we pray that nothing happens to 
>Clinton- imagine OZONE head as president? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
>--
>__________________________________________________________________________
>| the federal government is basically one enormous, ongoing meeting from |
>| HELL-----Dave Barry                                                    |
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

<sniff> You make me so proud to be a republican. And i thought only
Democrats had such a commanding ability of the English language.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Let the Blame Games BEGIN!
From: kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:53:38 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
> >
> >The point I was trying to make (clearly without success) was that Reagan's
> >margins of victory over Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984 were proof that
> >the majority of the people believed in Reagan's plans for the economy and
> >the nation in general.i
> > In 1988, when Reagan was prevented from running
> >again (and would have been nearly 75 anyway!) Bush campaigned as the heir
> >to Ronald reagan, with an explicit pledge to maintain Reagan's policies.
> >He violated that pledge, and quickly distanced himself from Reagan's
> >policies; look at the trend in the Federal register, for example. Now the
> >people have distanced themselves from BUSH, which sort of speaks for
> >itself. 
> 
> Now, could it be that 'Reaganomics' is bankruping the nation, Bush saw
> this, and dumped what he called voodoo economics?  And if 
> 'Reaganomics' is so excellent, please explain the debt, or even Ross
> Perot's showing in elections.
> 
> 
> 

I submit to you that the man who called it "voodoo economics" has proven,
by his own miserable record in this regard, that his views are to be taken
with several ounces of salt. 

Why is Reagan responsible for the debt, and not the congress who spent the
money faster than it could come in?  Reagan's tax rate CUTS actually
INCREASED tax revenues, from about 400 Billion per year in 1980 to over 1
TRILLION per year in 1988; and yet, for ever dollar of new revenue,
congress spent an additional $1.75. If you bring home a thousand bucks a
week, and your wife spends 1500 per week, whose fault is it that you're
going bankrupt? 

And remember (or learn!) that the HOUSE must originate ALL spending bills.
The President can't spend a dime; according to the Constitution, the HOUSE
does it all. The President submits a budget, sure, but Reagan's proposed
budgets were ROUTINELY pronounced "Dead on Arrival" at the Capitol. 

And I find it extremely tiresome that the very people who ran up all that
debt are now blaming Reagan for it, as if they could somehow wash their
hands of it. But at least a FEW of us remember who's at fault!

Ken Mitchell
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh Sucks
XUserAgent: Nuntius v1.1b3
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Date: 11 Nov 92 18:01:26 GMT

>G |>Rush Limbaugh SucksHoward Stern is the King of ALL Media

Haven't you heard?  Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh are actually THE
SAME PERSON!!!

Think about it... you've never seen them together socially, their
presentation styles are virtually identical, and how else can you
account for Rush plugging Howard's show???

Of course, Rush could just be Howard's evil twin...

;*)

Greg Bradt  aka  ()The Lensman()
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: God Help Us All! (mutter, mutter,) Amen!
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:44:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <12NOV199213445344@sscvx1.ssc.gov> seitzler@sscvx1.ssc.gov (JOHN SEITZLER) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.153758.2985@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Te writes...
>>In article <grendel.721285610@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
>>>In <6815@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

>----  Stuff deleted because it should be --------

>>>>Okay. Mario Cuomo "would be an excellent choice [for the Supreme
>>>>Court]." (MTV special) He sure seems to be the BEST qualified for the
>>>>job too. Right?
>>>
>>>He'd be a hell of a lot better choice than Thomas was.  The Court is supposed
>>>to be balanced.  Cuomo, a liberal, would do better than Thomas to balance out
>>>the ideology of the Court.
>> 
>>Crap.  I didn't hear any of you liberals whinning about balance when you 
>>had the court in your hip pocket.  After listening to you folks cry about 
>>the supreme court for the last several years I just have to smile when 
>>you accuse us of whinning about the presidential election.  We have got 
>>nothing on you.
>> 
>>Ted
>> 
>> 
>>-- 
>>            
>> 
>>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu

>Amen Ted, Right ON!!!!  Don't let these cry babies vomit this 'court should
>be balanced' crud all over you.  The only reason they demand a diverse view
>is because they couldn't get anything without some sort of quota.  Why? Because
>the majority (Yes, that's right) the majority of the populus can't stand
>the dribble they try to 'mandate' for the country.  

>I think we need a new group  alt.whinning.liberals !!!!!

Wow, John...I was actually chuckling through most of your entry, because I
thought it was a rather fine example of sarcasm and not a poor lampoon of
rabid conservatism.  But then my face fell.  This guy is serious!, I said
to myself, he's serious even though he misspelled `populace'!  How can this
be?  Can anyone really be this neanderthal unless their name is Jesse Helms?
Apparently so.  Damn those diverse views...they're the reason why our
country is going down the toilet!! (That was sarcasm, John.)  You're funny,
man, but your humor has a bad aftertaste: it's pathetic.
From: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Proposal for a Summary newsgroup
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:19:04 GMT
Reply-To: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

john.a.welsh writes:
>
>
>I would like to propose a group just for the Summaries.
>
>As long as John Switzer does not mind, a moderated newsgroup
>with him a moderator should be created for the Unofficial
>Summaries of Rush's show.  This would also include the monthly
>compilations.  All follow-ups would be directed to the other
>2 rush-limbaugh groups.  

seconded.

clueless chuck
pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
From: moores@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Stephen Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush's Future...
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:46:30 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gorney@picard.med.ge.com (Felix Gorney Mfg 4-6983) writes:
: 
: "Slick Willie" promised everything to everybody. Welfare, healthcare, airfare,
: cabfare, you name it, he promised it. It is Rush's solemn duty to inform the
: voting public, when Slick doesn't uphold his promises. Also, sinse Slick ran
: as a moderate, it is also Rush's duty to keep an eye out for situations that
: prove that Slick is not the person he said he was. As I'm sure these 2 issues
: alone could take up hundreds of hours of air time, I'm sure Rush has his work
: cut out for him.

Gee, that's funny Rush did such a good job on reporting when Bush didn't
uphold his campaign promises.  I hope he does just as good a job with Clinton.
From: kchiles@teton.llnl.gov (Keith Chiles)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Clinton Whops
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: kchiles@teton.llnl.gov (Keith Chiles)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Dear Netland,
  I don't wish to cause a flame war, but yesterday
Mr. Clinton announced that two of his priorities will
be to create a bunch of jobs through an investment
tax credit, and to allow gays into the military.  
I am not saying his ideas are bad, but wonder 
about the following two issues.

1. Isn't an investment tax credit a significant 
component of trickle-down economics?  Isn't 
this a form of reducing the tax burden on the 
rich that Clinton campaigned against?  Rush
is gonna have fun with this one.

2. Condoning homosexuality in the military will
be another slap in the military face by America's
most famous avoider of military service.  Has 
any president in the history of this country been 
successful after alianiating the military?

Cheers,
Keith T. Chiles, MBA
kchiles@arac.llnl.gov
My comments are not necessarily those of my 
employer, but they ought to be.