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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:57:50 GMT

In article <unreg-150992125724@cinder.ncl.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (sundaram) writes:
> 
> Oh Shit! What makes you think you're an  expert on Chinese affairs?
> You are talking bull..man. Just because you are Chinese albeit from
> Singapore doesn't give you the right to talk on behalf of mainland 
> Chinese so shut the fuck up....We are not interested in your wanton
> speculations. Don't get your heritage confused...buffoon. In the first
> place, you are totally ignorant of Chinese history, secondly...Tibet is
> not your concern but that of Tibetans living in China and that of the
> ruling Chinese government. Don't try to make yourself appear more
> important than you really are..moron.

     Rather than gratuitously insulting the original poster, you'd
appear alot less like a moron yourself if you made intelligent
statements supporting your views about Chinese-Tibetan affairs.
Personal attacks to not constitute a rebuttal (which is why I try to
intersperse my attacks on Dwight Joe with some signs of cognition :-).

							George


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From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Clinton and Foreigners
Date: 13 Sep 92 07:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan) writes:
|pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
|
|>	Bill Clinton promises
|>	to take America back for Americans.
|
|>	It shouldn't be too hard
|>	to figure out who he considers to be "Americans,"
|>	and who he wants to "take it back" from.
|
|I'm afraid Pat Buchannan's "speech" at the Republican National Convention
|and George Bush's implicit endorsement of it, frightened me more than 
|anything Bill Clinton has said.  At the risk of turning this thread into
|something from alt.politics though, I'd be interested in hearing specifics
|of what Clinton has said on this issue.

Clinton's position on immigration looks like a hodgepodge of special
interest things.  For example, to collect organized labor votes, he
talks about limits, but to collect asian-interest votes, he talks
about family unification.  I don't know anything about any specific
quote mentioned above, though.

Bush's record indicates a hostility to immigration.  While giving
the government of Hong Kong severe (and deserved) criticism about
its treatment of Vietnamese refugees, he did not offer to let them
immigrate to the USA, and he was just as hostile to Haitian refugees
who approached the USA in similar circumstances.

Based on party ideology, the Libertarian Party appears to favor less
restrictions on immigration, while the American Independent Party
appears to favor more restrictions on immigration.  I don't know
the positions of the Peace & Freedom Party or Perot on immigration.

In states other than California, your selection of parties and
candidates may differ.

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Rapid Fire (probable spoilers)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:27:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


		hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Bryan Hirota) :
		> Has every decent-minded Asian American done their 
		> duty by seeing Brandon Lee in this summer's action 
		> adventure flick "Rapid Fire"? Probably not.

Hey I just went to see it last week. I found it very entertaining and
even a little bit better than I expected (but then you don't go into
those types of movies with high expectations either :^) ).

Speaking from a female point of view, I think I want to have his
children.  :^)  :^)  :^) Ha ha!     

Does anyone know anything about Brandon? How old is he? Where was
he born? How old was he when his father died? Anything about his
mother? How did his parents meet? How much Chinese does he really
know? Did he have a good relationship with his father?

	> I am often disapointed in the inability of Asian Americans to 
	> support their own kin.  When a black film in released,  African 
	> Americans come out of the woodwork,  because they understand 
	> the importance of the film doing well.  If the film does not do 
	> well,  then the movie executives, will continue to think that 
	> people X are unmarketable. 

Now hang on a sec. Asian leads in films are not as numerous as Caucasians
and now African-Americans so I'm not sure what you're talking about. 
Films that do not have a wide release and have not been promoted as well
are big factors in whether people even know about the movie. In fact,
many of the movies I've seen with largely (or all) Asian casts, I found
in the video stores. Examples are Dim Sum, Eat a Bowl of Tea, The Wash, 
and Great Wall. I don't even know when these were in the theatres and I 
bet they only had a limited distribution and little to no promotion. 

But take heart, I did see a lot of Asians come out to see The Last
Emporer and Rhasody in August.

	> FIGHT SCENES:	The fight scenes in this film are probably some of the
	> best I've seen in recent years.  Brandon Lee inherits his father's
	> legendary quickness.  If you know even a minor amount of martial
	> arts, and have been disapointed with the skills of would be heros
	> such as Van Damme, Speakman, Lundgren, Seagal (even though I like 
	> Steve),Brandon Lee is a bresh of fresh air.

Tell us more. What differentiates them? When I watched Rapid Fire, it
did bring back memories of all the martial arts films my parents used to
take us to in Chinatown. The fight sequences were extremely well-choreographed.


	Melinda
From: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Eli Burk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: asian a. in comp. related fields (repost)
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:16:07 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University
Originator: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu

hello
I'm gathering data for a paper concerning asian americans in 
computer related fields. I am a student at San Francisco
State University. I'm hoping to connect with Asian Americans
via the net, so please pass my email addr along to any interested 
persons. I am particularly interested in Hewlett Packard. HP
would seem an ideal case study. It has a long history (for
a computer company). It began in the proverbal "garage" to
become an employeer of thousands here (and abroad?). I would
*guess* that Asian Americans make up a substantial part of it's
workforce. I would *think* (without knowing very much about HP)
that in the last 30 years the role of Asian Americans in HP has
changed dramatically. Furthermore HP's world head quarters is a 
commuter length drive from my home.

** email please **
btw - is there a "comp." newsgroup in which I can post this?



-- 
..out in the street, with your cheap fur on, or maybe your plastic raincoat
and your plastic shoes, they look good too, standing in the snow you're young-
er than you look, {fall in love with me} 2X, how i wish you would...[Iggy Pop]
eburk@futon.sfsu.edu -or- eburk@sutro.sfsu.edu -or- eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: What happens _after_ equality?
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:51:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: au-bon-p.SHAW.92Sep7195109
Distribution: soc
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.

Well, after returning from Japan and wandering around Boston and Cambridge
for the past week, it's struck me that a lot has changed in the past year.
When I got off the plane in LA, I was amazed at the variety I saw -- people
of every color working together, chatting, helping each other out.  Japan
is a remarkably homogeneous country, and perhaps it was the long stay in
Japan that affected my sensibilities, but it seems that the US is even more
diverse now than it was just a year ago.

As I said in a previous post, I view the future of race relations in the US
with very high optimism.  In the near term, I'm pessimistic, but in the far
term, I'm extremely optimistic.  Being Asian in the US for my children will
be not one tenth as difficult it was for my parents -- of that, I'm sure.
And as I said in that same post, to get there will take a lot of hard work
and a lot of fighting -- but we'll get there.

So the question arises: what do we do _after_ we get there?

I think that there is probably an obvious reason why many whites are afraid
of equality -- because it compromises their own power.  Incompetent or
marginally competent whites have a vast advantage over incompetent or
marginally competent non-whites in America today.  What are we going to do
about those people who would have done better if they could take advantage
of their skin color, but who must "suffer" the consequences of their
incompetence because of equality?

Yes, it's a little bit early to start feeling sorry for white people
(especially those who aren't competent), but even incompetent, unqualified
people have to feed their families and lead a life.  And quite remarkably,
it's an strangely empowering feeling to be able to feel sorry for someone
-- which is probably why I strongly dislike being felt sorry for -- it's a
relationship based on power.  Generally, people only feel sorry for others
when they have enough power to be that generous.

In any case, I think the concept of "America" will be _stronger_, not
_weaker_ after equality.  The basis for the country will not be race, but
common ideals.  Of course, that was the basis of the country when it was
founded, but it was very easy to lose sight of those ideals when 90%+ of
the country was white -- being American could very easily be confused with
being white.  After America looks more like the world looks, what will
define us will be those ideals.

-Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: "Rasie the Red Lattern"  was Re: Rapid Fire (probable spoilers)
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:51:47 GMT


|> Does anybody know how to make a kill file for the Nuntius newsreader for the 
|> Macintosh?  I've guess I have had enough of underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU .
|> 
|> ========================================================================
|> | Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan   |
|> |   kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering   |
|> |   kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |                              |
|> |---------------------------------------+------------------------------+
|> |       And if a man can't change the world these days,                |
|> |       I still believe he can change his own destiny.                 |
|> |                                 --Michael Peters (The Alarm)         |
|> |                                   "The Spirit of '76"                |
|> ========================================================================

I'd also like to share the information!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: NASA is accused of racism against Asian Americans
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:11:26 GMT

>Samuel S. Tai writes:
>>As I recall, this took place at the Ames Research Laboratory.  I haven't
>>heard if this was resolved or not.  Maybe there's a news blackout at Ames
>>while the investigation continues.  (Caveat:  I'm just idly speculating
>>that there may be a blackout.)

That's "Center" not "Laboratory."  The Cuckoo's Egg is incorrect about that.
Questions: You are directed to ask our Public Information Officer (via phone).

Another writes:
>It wasn't clear what prompted the search.

This is not currently for public discussion.
Questions: You are directed to ask our Public Information Officer (via phone).

>I would distrust the "racist" angle until I find out more about this
>incident.  Was this a random security check or did DISCO (Defense
>investigative company) have reason to suspect an Asian of not
>following proper security procedures?  If so, then they have every
>right to check any Asian's desk.

Signing badges and contracts allows the USG access to file cabinets, desks,
computers.  Like most other employers.

>If not, we have a problem.  Did
>everyone sit together and one person just happened to go through the
>first few desks he or she found?  I don't know.  We need to keep a
>lookout for follow-up information.

Questions: You are directed to ask our Public Information Officer (via phone).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Rapid Fire (probable spoilers)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 04:18:55 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

In article <1992Sep14.004129.28404@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <BuHu4I.2pn@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>>I don't go to see a movie based on its cast; I do it based on its subject
>>matter and how well it is presented in the movie.  I think supporting
>>something like *Rapid Fire* only helps to support more senseless violence.
>>
>	[Stuff about artsy films deleted.]
>
>I've been surprised by the intensity of various posters (not just Kerry,
>he's just been particularly clear in expressing his attitude) talking about
>refusing to see movies "*like* [emphasis mine] Rapid Fire" because of
>a general dislike of violence.  Now if everyone out there's truly
>pacifist, then I have absolutely nothing to say.  You all have the moral
>high ground on me.  But if you happily watch action movies like Indiana
>Jones, Die Hard, Terminator, Star Wars, or even Beverly Hills Cop,
>there is no basis for criticizing Rapid Fire for promoting senseless
>violence.

Just FYI, I haven't seen *Beverly Hills Cop*, but I disliked all the other
movies you mentioned, too.  Wait a minute...come to think of it, I was mad
at the world when I saw *Terminator*, so I did enjoy that one a bit.  (That
didn't stop me from refraining from seeing T2, though.

But I'm not trying to be PC or to take any moral high ground here.  I do
not disapprove of others watching violent films.  I simply (usually) do
not enjoy watching them.

>Besides, watching violence on screen can be cathartic, thus leading to
>a more peaceful, harmonious personality.  (:-))

Never worked that way with me.  When I saw *Die Hard* or similr movies, I
often end up shouting obsceneties at the characters I don't like (which is
usually most of them).  Then I end up having to drive home, already
angered by what's happened on screen, so I'm generally a menace to other
drivers.
From: edcheng@terapin.com (Edmund Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: "Asian-Americans..."
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:41:08 PST
Organization: BBS

        In my previous posts, I stated some things that may have been ignorant
and not have had much thought put in them.  Some of the things I said I myself
go by, but I should not force these ideas onto other Asian-Americans.  I cannot
say that someone should know Cantonese just because they are Cantonese or I
cannot say that you must choose one culture or the other.  You are yourself and
it is your own choices and your own right to be who want to be.  
Because I have my own thoughts, doesn't give me the right to push them onto
others.  I now know that Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge are two completely different
things.  And I should have thought thoroughly before I said anything to offend
anyone Chinese-ge.  A chinese-ge is no more nor less "chinese" than I am.  And
do try to keep in mind that I am a young mind with little knowledge and little
experience.  Bear with me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: "Rasie the Red Lattern"  was Re: Rapid Fire (probable spoilers)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:11:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Sep13.031437.27437@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>>But take heart, I did see a lot of Asians come out to see The Last
>>>Emporer and Rhasody in August.
>>
>>Hated the former; never heard of the latter.  But that's just *my* opinon.
>
>Everyone should see "Raise the Red Latter" and _learn_ from it.
>It says a lot about a certain culture in a Neanderthal-like
>nation in Asia; what it says still applies, in many respects, to
>todays incarnation of that culture.  *ugh*
>

Slight correction:  "Raise the Red Lattern"

Actually, I took it as a story about a woman who wanted to be "somebody"
and tried to accomplish it through marriage to a rich person (remember,
she dropped out of college).  She went insane because she could not cope
with the results of her actions (maid and third wife dying), not because
some Neanderthal-like culture drove her to it.  Yes, the film was set in 
traditional Chinese culture, where wives are killed for cheating on the
husband, but that happens everywhere (even here in the USA).  But that was 
a plot device.  The same story line could have happen in Italian, Indian, 
German, Mexican, or even American culture, in still have the same meaning.  
The culture that the story is told in supports, but is still irrelevant to
the story itself.  Taking this film as a comment on the Chinese culture 
is really, well, ignorant.


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| Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan   |
|   kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering   |
|   kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |                              |
|---------------------------------------+------------------------------+
|       And if a man can't change the world these days,                |
|       I still believe he can change his own destiny.                 |
|                                 --Michael Peters (The Alarm)         |
|                                   "The Spirit of '76"                |
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From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian/Asian American Conflicts
Keywords: Michael Jordan,  Leprosy
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:12:37 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <44696@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.072030.10695@mumbo.apple.com> tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>>It must be a
>>difficult and sad life indeed to be defined by what others see in him.
>
>But who in life is not defined in part by other people.  No one.  Only
>a fool can shrug off the opinions of others as ultimately insignificant.

Sigh.  What a fool I have been!

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: PBS:  The Los Angeles History Project
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:54:38 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <lb221rINNljt@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
> . . . .
>Then came the Pacific War in WWII, where the Japanese replaced the
>Chinese as objects of fear and suspicion.

Japanese Americans joined Chinese Americans in this regard long before
WWII--before WWI, as a matter of fact.  The Russo-Japanese war did as
much as anything to feed various "yellow peril" scare stories of the
'tens and 'twenties, at the same time that attacks (legal and otherwise)
on Japanese-American farms and businesses began.

> Many Chinese young men
>volunteered for the army and fought valiantly, slowly turning the tide
>of American feeling.

Even more Japanese Americans did.  However, China was a nominal U.S.
ally in WWII; as a result:

>A few years after the war, legislation was
>passed so that the Chinese could become naturalized.

Actually, a limited number of Chinese immigrants were allowed to
naturalize as early as 1943.  Japanese immigrants had to wait until
1952.

I'm not trying to deny the egregious discrimination Chinese Americans
have encountered, starting well over a century ago, or deny their
obvious heroism.  But for a good part of that time, other Asian
Americans--Japanese Americans in particular--have been fighting the same
battles.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: "Rasie the Red Lattern"  was Re: Rapid Fire (probable spoilers)
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:44:50 GMT


|> 
|> I agree. It coud have happened in any countries. 
|> However, I was very depressed after the movie.
|> Does anyone know why the film was banned in china several years ago?

Allegely due to the political reason (though I myself don't see any hint from
the film). It was said that the story attacks our beloved comrade Xiaoping
Deng by innuendo, even more, the system itself.
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Dictators Re: Please educate this man
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:03:06 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
|2. A common claim by dictators (especially in East Asia) is that
|democracy is not one of their cultural values, and that the people
|have no interest in ruling themselves.  Do you believe this?  How do
|you distinguish between a case where this is true and one where it is
|a cynical fabrication by the dictator?  

In this situation, it is obvious that the dictator's cultural values
include an interest in rulership, which means either (1) the dictator's
claim is false, or (2) the dictator does not share the cultural values
of the people being ruled, which contradicts the "self-determination"
claims made by many governments.

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From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian/Asian American Conflicts
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:35:31 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <1992Sep9.055559.27054@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.234536.23535@mumbo.apple.com> tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.162735.28190@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>>What I am fuzzy on are these "sociological and cultural products
>>of Asians living in the States".  Are there any other products other
>>than victimization and discrimination?
>
>	Do we need to go any farther than this?

Oh not at all.  This is precisely the answer I expected.  Thank you.

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
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