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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: All Black SA tour - itinerary
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:17:30 GMT

Info from the Sunday Times, Johannesburg, July 26

Sat 1st Aug  - vs Natal at Kings Park, Durban
Wed 5th Aug  - vs Free State at Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
Sat 8th Aug  - vs Junior Springboks at Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Mon 10th Aug - vs Central Unions at Witbank (18h00 start)
Sat 15th Aug - vs South Africa at Ellis Park, Johannesburg

(most of those games are at high altitude...)

The Sunday Times also predicts the following selections for the test:

15 Theo van Rensburg (Tvl)
14 James Small (Tvl)
13 Pieter Muller (Natal)
12 Danie Gerber (WP)
11 Pieter Hendriks (Tvl)
10 N Botha (N Tvl, Capt)
9  R du Preez (Natal)
8  Jannie Breedt (Tvl)
7  Ian Macdonald (Tvl)
6  Wahl Bartmann (Natal)
5  Adolf Malan (N Tvl)
4  Adri Geldenhuys (EP)
3  Piet Bester (OFS)
2  Uli Schmidt (N Tvl)
1  Johan Styger (OFS)

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From: danielbt@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Brett Daniel)
Subject: All Ye of Little Faith
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:55:24 GMT

Great to see the AB's come home strongly in the third test on saturday.
Especialy after they received such a bagging by this news group over the last
couple of weeks.  What every knocker seems to be forgetting is that this is
a new team, with a new captain, playing by a new set of rules now.  To hope that New Zealand can instantly put together a team of the quality of the '87 World champs is asking a bit much really.  The fact is they put up an excellent show 
against a well-drilled, (dare I say) professional Aussie side, who happen to be
current world champions.  But for the bounce of a ball, they could have made theseries a 3-0 white wash rather than going down 2-1.

The many plusses to come out of the tour were: Olo Brown's magnificent 
scrummaging, the pairing of Robin Brooke and Ian Jones at lock, Zinzan Brookes
return to form, the magnificent Little & Bunce combination in the centres and
the revelation of Timu at fullback, could he be the next John Gallagher?

I thought Grant Fox had an excellent series and it confirmed his status as the
world's best goal-kicking flyhalf.  I don't give a monkey's what anyone says,
he is a match winner.  Most of his goals on saturday were from far more 
difficult positions than Lynagh's and that drop goal was a piece of brilliance.
What could he do with a halfback, half of Nick Farr-Jones quality. There must
be someone better than Strachan in NZ.  He needs at least another couple of
years of provincial rugby before he comes up to scratch. Bring back Buck??
God bring back Dave Loveridge!!

A comment on the new rule changes: The major tactic now seems to be to boot the
ball up field, catching the opposing player outside his twentytwo, pinning him
down and therefore winning the scrum feed.  I think this is a negative tactic
which has done nothing to open up the flow of the game.  They should revert to
the old rule of possession in an indeterminate maul => scrum feed.  Any coments?

The sooner Rugby Union tosses aside the staid, snobby, wanky, upperclass notion
of the purity of amateurism in sport and becomes fully professional, the better.

--

Brett Daniel
School of Computing Science
Curtin University of Technology
Western Australia.
email: danielbt@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au
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From: ramdwar@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Simone Lisa Hernandez-Ramdwar)
Subject: TSN To Show Bledisloe Cup
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: unversal
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:26:00 GMT


Good news for North American rugby fans as TSN has announced it will air
the three match Bledisloe Cup see series between New Zealand and Audtralia,
starting July 31st.

The complete schedule:
1st test- July 31st 9pm -11pm
          August 1st 4am -6am
          August 4th 9am -11am

2nd test  August 5th 9pm -11pm
          August 6th  2pm 4pm
          August 13th 4am- 6am

3rd test  August 14th 9pm -11pm
           August 15th 2.30 pm -4.30 pm
          August 16th  4.30 am- 6.30 am


All times are eastern standard. TSN's release listed the programs as match 
highlights, but the two hour time slots would indicate the entire match 
will bve shown. I have no idea how American fans can get TSN, but access to 
a sattellite dish should do it. 

A final note- TTSN figures one letter equals one thousand viewers, so don't 
hesitate to write them and say thanks for the braodcast.

Jon Jenkins
Winnipeg Wasps RFC
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: All Blacks get thrashed 40-17 !!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:09:37 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul23.081243.9548@waikato.ac.nz>, rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> Well NZs bad form continued last night at the Penrith Stadium where Sydney
> thrashes the All Blacks 40-17 YES you read that right.
> NZ started very badly with a try being scored in the first 5 minutes and things
> carried on from there. Apperantly no other team (including tests) has scored so
> many points against the Blacks!!
> So more problems for Mains with the third test on Saturday. Pat Lam (of Western
> Samoa) went of just before half-time with rib problems, so the loose trio will
> be NZs weaknes in the test I suspect.
> My pick for Saturday is Aust 20 NZ 10
>

You sure that a large enough score for Aussie? When all 3 loose forwards and
most of the tights are walking back to position while 1 or 2 forwards try to
hold the other team in a rolling maul, its probably time to bring them all home
and send Manawatu over in black jerseys to take over for them. In a word
PATHETIC!!!
 
> Rob.
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  Q. If Nuclear Tests are so safe, why don't the French do them under Paris?
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Re:NZFRU and Loe 
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.114238.9559@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|In article <1992Jul22.022106.11284@cs.su.oz.au>, allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:
|> 12pm 22 July 1992 ABC News.2BL(AM)
|> No one I've spoken to has any doubt(forget Hamish) that Loe deserved to be 
|> sent home.If the NZRFU is to be seen as fair,then SOMEONE should cite
|> him before the home National Body.
|> 
|I don't know if it was really a 'SEND HOME' offence was it? OK, Keith Murdoch
|assaulted a security guard, thats a sending home offence. Let us say that Loe
|was sent off by the referee for his actions, he would probably have been
|suspended for a game or two, but sent home?? No way. 
|I think that the situation has been inflamed by sections of the Australian
|media. I recall incidents in the past where Wallabies have assaulted All Blacks
|(a test a couple of years ago involving Higginson as I remember when an
|Australian was sent off for punching) yet the outcry was silent by comparison. 
|The referee and the linesman were within 5 metres of this sending home offence
|and didn't even caution Loe, now that says alot. 

From the reply I watched, I think Loe's body was covering the action of his
arm from the views of referee or linesman.


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From: mdoyle@sparhawk (Mike Doyle)
Subject: ruggers
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:41:47 GMT

I'm looking for rugby memorabilia.  T-shirts, pins, hats, posters etc.

MCD
From: bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Rugby in the Olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:26:48 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Further to the discussion on rugby in the Olympics, I have investigated
this and discovered the following. Apparently there have been rugby
competitions at four games, 1900, 1908, 1920 and 1924. The results
were as follows:

   1900(Paris)   - Paris 27 Eintracht Frankfurt 17
                   Paris 27 Moseley Wanderers 8

   1908(London)  - Australia 32 Cornwall 3

   1920(Antwerp) - USA 8 France 0

   1924(Paris)   - France 59 Romainia 3
                   USA 37 Romania 0
                   USA 17 France 3

The final in 1924 was staged at the Stade do Colombes in Paris in front of
a crowd of 30,000. This was a rough affair with trouble both on and off the
pitch. The partisan French crowd booed the American anthem at the end.

As far as getting rugby back into the Olympics is concerned IMHO would we
want to be associated with such an unadulterated festival of "shamateurism"?
:-)

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From: keyser@oliver.sun.ac.za (P.W. Keyser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: South Africa Emblem???
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:01:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Jul30.070117.17885
Reply-To: keyser@cs.sun.ac.za
Organization: Universiteit van Stellenbosch, R.S.A.
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tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather) writes:
: 
: I just received a fax from a South African friend who now lives
: in London. He says that the Springbok insigna will be replaced
: by one Bok surrounded by four proteas...can anyone substantiate
: this?
: 

The emblem has been changed, by adding a wreath of 4 proteas, 2 on each
side, over which the springbok is jumping. It's still the same springbok,
only the proteas were added. In the middle of the wreath of proteas is a
upright rugby ball. I think it is still a very nice design, because the
proteas do not dominate the springbok. 

Hope you get the picture. I'll try to find a copy of the picture, so 
that I can scan it and post it here.

--
  Wouter

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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Re: South Africa Emblem???
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: lrz
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:05:06 GMT

tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather) writes:


>I just received a fax from a South African friend who now lives
>in London. He says that the Springbok insigna will be replaced
>by one Bok surrounded by four proteas...can anyone substantiate
>this?
Yes, I think it's got to do with the old Bok representing something of 
apartheid etc. (Probably)
>Thanks

>Tilak Ratnanather       tratnana@eureka-gold.wbme.jhu.edu
>Dept of Otolaryngology -- Head & Neck Surgery
>The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
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From: swamp@nrtpa22.bnr.ca (Steve Swamp)
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Reply-To: swamp@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:52:57 GMT

I know I started this thread, but I was talking to someone at practice last
night, and he told me that rugby will be in the 1996 olympics as an exhibition
sport. Also, supposedly the team the US sent in 1924 was the Stanford rugby
team. Any confirmations on these?

-- 
steve swamp                       BNR
email: swamp@bnr.ca               Research Triangle Park, NC
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell)
Subject: Buck and the Captaincy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:49:36 GMT

Given some general interest in the captaincy issue, I thought I'd add another
$0.02 worth....

I was very interested in the comments that Alan Murray 
 made in a recent posting. It seems that some idiot in the AB camp suggested
that since all the players in the AB's do their job that the captain's role is
pretty much superfluous. This type of philosophy is utter crap! The choice and
role of captain are absolutely critical in any (national) team. 
When 2 teams are very evenly matched (as Aust and NZ appear to be) then the 
winning of the game often comes down to the "intangibles" of discipline, guts
pride, determination etc ....  It is the captain's job to lead by example
and extract these qualities from the players. The main point of my original
posting about Buck Shelford was that he was clearly a man who could do this.

I was not literally suggesting that he be recalled, but that someone else should be found to take over his role. I too have felt that the AB's have appeared
rather aimless and lacked the urgency of the great AB side under Buck. I still
believe that the droppping of Buck cost us dearly in the WC. I for one would
like to know the real reason why he was dropped (his form was OK at the time
of the trials, and in the subsequent tour to France his replacement No. 8
(Brooke) was then himself replaced by Brewer!). In fact there are numerous
precedents for retaining the services of a great captain even if his form
has slipped below that of the competing player.

Under Buck we had the assurance that every player would be giving 110% as Buck
himself would accept no less. (as exemplified in that little gem of a quote
in my last posting) 
Few opponents fail to have been 
more than a little intimidated by a fearless Buck leading the Haka. We do not
have the same assurance now. The current AB's are becoming known for ill-
discipline, pettiness (and of course LOSING) - these tend to go together.

It is the Aussies who are showing the hallmarks of true champs - discipline,
determination and the ability to win under pressure. There has been some 
aimless comment about how worthy this team are as world champs - well they
do appear to get the job done. However, they have yet to establish the presence
(and record) of the former AB world champions. 
Unfortunately, that may be only a matter of time.


So, AB's get your act together, and show a little pride in the great AB 
tradition. Get a decent captain, show some discipline and win.

Looking forward to further comment on who should be captain, and how the AB's
can get things together from the top down ...

db
From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Springbok Team?
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:15:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.steinber.65.711958515
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)

In article <1992Jul23.113729.6018@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>Subject: Re: Springbok Team?
>From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
>Date: 23 Jul 92 11:37:29 +1200

>In article <a2824ag.711787523@sunmanager>, a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager) writes:
>> As far as I know, the Springbok team was announced last night - anybody know
>> who it is? 

>From the "Press" Thursday July 23.

>Fullbacks - Theo van Rensburg
>            Gerbrand Grobler
>Wings -     Pieter Hendriks
>            Jacques Olivier
>            James Small
>Centres -   Brendan Venter
>            Pieter Muller
>Standoff -  Naas Botha (captain)
>Halfback -  Robert du Preez
>            Joost van der Westhuizen
>Props -     Heinrich Rodgers
>            Johan Styger
>            Lood Muller
>            Willie Hills
>Hookers -   Uli Schmidt
>            Harry Roberts
>Locks -     Adri Geldenhuys
>            Kobus Wiese
>            Adolf Malan
>            Steve Atherton
>Flankers -  Ian McDonald
>            FC Smit
>            Wahl Bartmann
>            Ruben Kruger
>No 8 -      Tiaan Strauss
>            Jannie Breedt

>Alan


There has been a change to this training squad, Atherton (Natal) has
injured his thumb (??) and Plattford (Natal) has taken his place.
The probable scrum for the Boks will be same as the 'A' side on tuesdays'
game.
Some papers and selectors are also saying that if Hugh Reece-Edwards has
a good game on 1/8 for Natal against the All Blacks, he will play No 15
in the test. The same could apply for Tony Watson (right wing -> James 
Small).
If Garth wright is fit by then, he may also be in with a chance.

There is also Dick Muir to consider for Brendan Venter.

Mike.


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From: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Midwest 7's Championships
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
Followup-To: rose@cs.utk.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

The Eastern Midwest 7's Championships were contested Saturday, July 25th in
Cleveland, Ohio.

The Louisville/Lexington Rugby Club beat Nashville Rugby Club 14-3
in the championship game. The hosting Cleveland Rovers finished in third.

Louisville will play the winner of Western Midwest Championships to determine
who will respresent the Midwest in the National 7's Tournament.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: billb@is.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell)
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:14:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.213407.24279@news.columbia.edu>, pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul30.203933.5711@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> swamp@bnr.ca writes:
|> |> >question is - has rugby ever been an olympic sport? It would seem to me
|> >that it has a larger following than roller hockey.
|> 
|> 
|> I think it used to be an Olympic sport (long ago), but was deemed too
|> rough (!) (And no Americans play....).

Blow off, eh?  As a mattr of fact, the United States is the defending
OLYMPIC RUGBY CHAMPION!!!!   HA Ha!  This is straight out of the Rugby
Encyclopedia.  So there, we were good once...back in, oh, 1924,
the St. Louis games.  In fact, the U.S. was a repeat champion :-).
Was Rugby taken out of the Olympics due to this immense amount of shame?
(Remember: this was before the U.S. decided to start breeding NFL-type
"footballers", i.e. big, slow, and meant to crash into one another for
10 seconds at a pop...)

My real concern, however, is obtainig an exact list of the rule
changes.  Our Collegiate season opens up in another few weeks, and
I still don't know the new rules!!!!  Could someone please post, or E-mail,
me a copy of the 26 changes, aside from scoring.  While that thread was going
on, no one saw fit to actually post a comprehensive list.  Much begging and
pleading omitted.  If I am in err on this, then take heart and remember
that I am in the Wasteland of International Rugby (TWIR ?) ;-)

Thanks in advance...

-- 
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Subject: Re: Flaem, falme, lamfe...
From: cscdba@otago.ac.nz (Donald Ellis)
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:42:22 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul21.065921.14442@cs.su.oz.au>, allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:

> Forgetvthe 'don't flame me bit ',loe did it claer and all.
That's easy for you to say...

> the pub I was in...

were you still in it when you posted this?

Donald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Sydney 40 vs NZ 17
From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:33:37 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

  Sydney 40 vs NZ 17

  Only two late tries from the All Blacks allowed them to make double figures
in a game where they were overwhelmed in every facet of play. The Sydney side
demolished them in the forwards and outran them in the backs.
   From the first minute of the game when Sydney scored a try the All Blacks
looked beaten and they never looked like picking themselves up off the floor.
    I don't think I have ever seen a more inept performance from an All Black
halfback than the one Preston put on lastnight. He was continually hounded by
his opposite number and had trouble finding his man with the pass. On top of
this his tactical kicking doesn't warrant comment. Don't give me any bullshit
about being behind a losing pack this display was attrocious and Bauchop should
be recalled immeadiately.
   Another appaling incident happened when Graeme Dowd felled the Sydney
halfback, (who eventually left the field as a result) after the Sydney player
came into a ruck from an offside position. The parochial New Zealand
commentators only saw the offside offence and were slagging off the referee 
for making a bad decision when the All Blacks were penalised, but Dowds punch
was obvious to everybody else and he should have been sent for an early shower
for yet another incident which is damaging an already unhappy tour for New
Zealand. 
 
Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: All Black SA tour - itinerary
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:26:49 GMT

ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod) writes:

>Info from the Sunday Times, Johannesburg, July 26

>Sat 1st Aug  - vs Natal at Kings Park, Durban
>Wed 5th Aug  - vs Free State at Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
>Sat 8th Aug  - vs Junior Springboks at Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
>Mon 10th Aug - vs Central Unions at Witbank (18h00 start)
>Sat 15th Aug - vs South Africa at Ellis Park, Johannesburg

>(most of those games are at high altitude...)

  Actually, I think it's pretty much a progression upwards from
sea level... with the last match at Johannesburg being the 
highest above sea-level.  

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