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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Media bias
Keywords: bias
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

In article <1992Jul31.190819.11016@cco.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:

>shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:

>>BTW my score...

>>>Whose decision should it be                My      Not     Gov't
>>>whether or not you:                     Decision   Sure   Decides
>>>
>>>-  Wear a Seatbelt or Helmet?             _X__     ____     ____

>Who pays for your nursing home care if you smash up but *don't*
>kill yourself.  Who pays for the children you can't support if you're
>disabled?

I do, or my private insurance does.

>>>-  Own a gun?                             _X__     ____     ____

>Who makes sure you lock up your gun so your neighbor's 4 year old
>doesn't get a hold of it?

I do, or I should be held responsible for any harm done, if I was truly 
negligent.

>>>-  Become a soldier?                      _X__     ____     ____

>Who pays your mercenary salary?

What makes a soldier's salary any more mercenary than an accountant's?

>>>-  Help the needy?                        _X__     ____     ____

>What?  All by yourself?
No, as an individual, by choice.


>>>-  Pay for sex
>>    (assuming discreet marketing)?         _X__     ____     ____


>>>-  Have an Abortion?                      ____     ____     _X__

>Who pays for your abortion if you can't afford it?  
The persons responsible for the pregnancy, or private insurance.

>Who pays 
>to raise the child if you choose not to have an abortion? 
The parent.

>>>-  Smoke dope?                            _X__     ____     ____

>Who makes sure the dope you smoke isn't laced with something 
>you hadn't planned on consuming?  

The marketplace.  Bad dope has no repeat customers, any more than bad meat 
or bad aircraft.

>Who makes sure you don't 
>cause injury to others while you're high?

You do.  Otherwise you are commiting a crime, and should be held responsible.

>>>-  Send your child to school?             _X__     ____     ____

>Who makes sure that there's school for you to send your child to?
You do.  If there is no school, educate them yourself.

>>>-  Swim nude(on private property)?        _X__     ____     ____

>Who keeps track pf whether that property is privately owned, and by
>whom?
You do.  Find our who owns property before you trespass.  

>>>-  Buy a pornographic book or video?      _X__     ____     ____

>Who printed the currency you would use to buy that book or video?
How is this even relevant.

>>                              mike


>                                               --  Michal
> 
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: gt4925b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jason Woodward)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is Jesse at the back of the bus?
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:45:06 GMT
Organization: Politically Incorrect and Proud of It

In <1992Jul25.155607.14264@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:

 >ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:

 >>Is it because the Democrats have finally tired of his socialist rhetoric?

 >>Or do they actually agree with him but realize that the country cannot afford
 >>any new welfare programs at this time?

 >>Of is it, as George Will has suggested, merely a tactical decision; feign
 >>a repudiation of socialism to get elected.

 >Because they're tired of his racist babbling?

Or maybe because they don't want to be associated with someone who will
deliberately rewrite Biblical stories to attack the Republicans.


-- 
Jason Woodward | EE Graduate Student | Georgia Tech | Go Braves!

Reason #461 to not vote for Bill Clinton: Justice Mario Cuomo
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From: nasadk@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: College Pranks (Was Re: Vacation Time!)
Keywords: Ditch Day, vanishing room
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:41:15 GMT
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

[Story of vanishing room deleted]

A bunch of people I know played this on a student that they hated. He was an 
architecture student who was going on a day long field trip. They had planned
this for months, even matching the paint color. The person left, but returned
as they were half done painting the door. They said he was impressed by the
job they had done. Though I doubt he was pleased.

Mind you, these are the people who sold a two year old pickup for $350. 
They even collected the money before the owner found out and called the whole 
thing off.

Friend of mine had his car nearly sold this past year, so he retaliated
by posting signs to sell the possessions of the person who he thought posted the signs.
Turned out he had the wrong person. However, after about 2 calls, the person fowarded
his phone to my friend's room and managed to fill up the answering machine with calls.

I've also seen signs, with a picture of a somewhat drunk person entitled
" XXXX sings the greatest love hits of all time" and you
could send in for an 8 track or casssette.

During the year I had my peephole stolen out of my door, so I replaced it
with a bolt thru the hole. Returned 15 minutes later, and it was drilled out
and gone. Impressed the hell outta me how it could be stolen so quickly.

[story of filled stairwell deleted]

One of our buildings had a few 9 floor high stairtwells with nice openings
down them. During the year, the capus security department had to place extra security 
in the building because students were prone to throwing things down the stairwell,
ala Letterman. I knew a few of the perpetrators, who hinted at what they might`
have done. Common items included fluorescent tubes, and any other junk item
that could be found.

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>
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From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Fable on Aids
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:14:54 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

In article <l78vlnINNt4l@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
#Richard Foy) writes:
#|#                                 God's Help
#|# 
#|# God looked down on his Planet Earth. He reflected on the creature who he
#|# according to God's plan. For these were all one and of one mind. They knew
#|# that God spoke to them through there own inner voice and not through the
#|# words of the self righteous.
....
#|# 
#|# God looked down on Planet Earth and liked what he saw.
#|# 
#Athiest's need not apply?  Richard takes the same position he is lampooning.
#AID's is a punishment for those that do not believe as he does.

Close but not quite. 

Webster: " fable, a fictitious story meant to teach a moral lesson"

The fable does take the position that God punishes those that fit certain
patterns. 

However, I Richard Foy do not take that position. My position regarding God
is that I don't know what or if God is, that if God it is unlikely to be to
be something that any true believers believe.

My position is that punishment is a very poor means of changing human behavior.
For example, one of the punishments, though not swift or sure, for certain acts
of illegal driving is death. Most of us however, think, that our driving skills
allow us to beat that light, to go a little bit too fast etc. Most of the time
most of us get away with it. Some of the times some of us are killed because
we have taken that chance.

My purpose in writing this fable was not to suggest that I know what God or
science knows or should do about AIDS. Rather it was directed at one specific
individual, not you, who has not responded.

There is a scientist with excellent credentials in immuneology etc, who in the 
past has made a strong case that the HIV virus is not the cause of AIDS. I 
don't know his argument well enough to discuss it. But to me it is food for
thought.

Richard Foy           Standard Disclaimer
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From: pas@anchor.unh.edu (Paul A Sand)
Subject: Re: More Nilges obfuscation 
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:16:33 GMT

en> == Ed Nilges
cl> == Chuck Lavazzi

cl>  Yes, Ed, some Americans of all skin hues are racist. People are
    flawed. So what?

en> This is the essential mistake. You want to make racism into Yet
    Another flaw of individual character (like farting in elevators)
    whereas in actuality it is a property of societal structures
    (systems.)

This `actuality' somehow does not prevent Mr. Nilges from levelling
charges of racism at individuals when he finds it convenient, most
notably Richard Posner.  (If Richard Posner is a `societal structure'
instead, he should perhaps be notified of the problem.)

I'd request Mr. Nilges to clarify his, er, logic in this matter, but
I'm afraid I would only be doing so for my (continued) amusement, not
enlightenment. So: don't bother, Ed.
-- 
-- Paul A. Sand           | I learned to put the [toilet] seat down...it
-- Univ. of New Hampshire | makes you look like a warm, caring, sensitive
-- pas@kepler.unh.edu     | human being. (Prof. R. Noble, from r.h.f.)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:45:27 GMT

In article <nkjfh10@fido.asd.sgi.com>,
dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>If I see any reduction in the amount of hatred and bigotry in the world,
>I would believe you.  Unfortunately, bigotry and hatred seem to be in
>vogue.

But Jeff, do you really think that compelling people to act in a way
that goes against their feelings is likely to make them change their
feelings?  If what we want is a world without hatred and bigotry it
would seems to me that it would be more productive to go about it in
a way that doesn't seem to bring about exactly the opposite effect.
I very much fear that the increase in these things which you observe
are the result of trying to correct an attitude with compulsion.  It
just doesn't work.

/JUne
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jobo@jobo.austin.ibm.com (Joe Bowen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:43:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: International Business Machines AWD at Austin

In article <3398@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>
>Well Jerry I'll correct you.  First of all we are NOT in a recession at all,
>yes the media likes to use that word but if you pick up an economics book 
>you'll see the reality. 
>
>Recessions are typically marked by high inflation, interest rates, low consumer
>spending, high unemployement.  Our economy has NONE of those traits.  7.2%
>unemployement rates are not high, they could be lower but they are not high at
>all by historical standards and we have low interest rates, low inflation,
>consumer spending, what we have is not a recession.
>
>Read the Wall Street Journal and you see that what we have is called a "
>"period of reduced growth".  Growth being the operative word here, we're
>still growing just not at the rates we've become accustomed to over the last
>12 years.
>
>PSG
>

A 'recession' is generally accepted to be 3 quarters of negative growth
in the GDP (what used to be the GNP).  The traits you identify generally,
but not necessairly, accompany a recession, and show a 'weak' economy in
general.  But, as to your statement "our economy has NONE",  our interest
rates are held artificially low by political pressure on the Fed (kind of
like implementing price controls and saying we have low inflation), and
7.2% unemployment is high, the generally accepted 'full employment' is
6.0%, and, consumer spending has been weak for years.  I think the post
you're really reacting to said 'Bush presided over the worst four-year
economic performance since the depression'.  Your quote from the WSJ
would seem to substantiate that claim.

Joe Bowen
personal replies may be sent to 72520,3156@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Organization: DAZIX / An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:00:53 GMT

In article <Bs621H.G0p@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>   Because currently HIV infected individuals are not contagious
>   by casual contact and so *as individuals* do not represent any
>   threat to the public health, unlike people in the past who
>   could be locked up in a leper colony.   It was that threat to 
>   the public health that contagious victims of other diseases
>   represented by just walking around which was used to justify
>   taking them out of public circulation.   
>

But the whole concept of quarantine was initiated for just that
purpose; the *individuals* who were infected did not sufficiently
curtail their behavior in order to stem the spread of the disease.
At that point in time, the "gummint" stepped in and legislated
the necessary actions that had to be taken to halt the epidemics.

Sadly, as each day passes, AIDs continues to spread.  In the not
too distant future, IMHO mainly because what is being done today
is not having any positive effect, some not-so-welcome actions are 
going to be taken to stem the tide.  And, again IMHO, if Tipper
Gore and Hillary Clinton have any say in the matter, it will come
with the blinding speed of a runaway locomotive.


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser)
Subject: Re: Supercollider "For" or "Against"
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:04:29 GMT

In article <Bs61Lt.Ft5@apollo.hp.com>, 
nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

|>   I'm not suggesting basic science be totally eliminated.   If the
|>   world had half as many high energy physicists, astronomers, etc
|>   as it has today, and the total money spent in these fields were
|>   half what it is today, we wouldn't return to a Dark Ages of
|>   science; things would just happen a lot slower and on a smaller
|>   scale than now.  

Another question: if You reduce the scientifc research efforts, what
will keep the highly qualified and motivated personnell, which is both 
an enormous investment and a capital, to look for greener pastures? In 
short, how do You deal with the brain drain?

How will You provide for its rejuvenation and replacement? What is
the quorum You need for a selfsustaing research establishment beyond
the necessity of supplying qualified personnell for the commercial
sector? You are talking about the world. Do You think other nations
follow Your line of reasoning? Do You bank of global scientific 
collaboration and completely free interchange of data and developments?
Bear in mind that quite a bit of, even abstract, research in the US is 
slightly clandestine. 

|>---peter

       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
-F35- ZEUS DESY/Freiburg  Bitnet:   POSER@DESYVAX
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:09:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Clayton Cramer writes:
> For all the whining the homosexual community does about wanting
> the government to DO something about AIDS, the one strategy that
> clearly works -- quarantine and massive testing -- is the one
> strategy that is completely unacceptable to them.  How serious
> are they about stopping AIDS, and preventing others from being
> infected?  Clearly, not very serious, when it starts to inconvenience
> them.

Those who are willing to give up a bit of freedom for a bit of health
deserve neither freedom nor health.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Interesting Revelation (WAS Re: Libertarian Platform)
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:39:42 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Hot Young Star writes:
|> In article <11379@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
|> 
|> In my opinion, the greatest difference between the political parties today
|> are their moral theories:
|> 
I have a slightly different understanding of the differences.

|> Democrats: morality arises from the necessity of promoting the common good
|> of the people, and protecting the primacy of individual rights over group
|> rights.

	Democrats also believe that individuals should be able to pursue
	their individual definitions of morality, within the norms set
	by law.
|> 
|> Libertarians: morality arises from the elimination of coercive power over
|> the individual

	Libertarians belive it is simple to make the morality calls
	which determine when two units (individuals or groups) come into
	conflict with each other.  Sort of "if it ain't murder, it's buyer
	beware."
|> 
|> Republicans: morality arises from eternal absolutes (some would say tradition)

	Republicans believe in protecting the primacy of groups (religions,
	businesses, etc.) from individuals and protecting individuals from
	their mistaken individual definitions of morality.
|> 
|> I'd be interested in hearing what you consider to be the moral theory of
|> classical liberalism, and how it differs from your interpretation of classical
|> conservatism, not to mention L[/l]ibertarianism.
|> 
mike
From: mitja@work.berkeley.edu (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: I'm collecting candy wrappers
Date: 21 Jul 1992 21:16:01 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley College of Engineering
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu

For lack of a better newsgroup, I'm posting this message here.

M&M/MARS is offering 5 cents for every wrapper sent to them by October 15,
1992.  If you have any extra wrappers that you'd like to get rid of, please
send them to me at:

	Mitja Baumhackl
	1739 Lincoln Street
	Berkeley, CA  94703

I'll mail them in and use them towards college tuition.  (I'm an
independent student with no financial support from my parents, have been
turned down for Pell Grants, and expect to borrow close to $15,000 this
year in loans for New York University).  I had to get Congressman
Bill Green to call on my behalf because NYU refused to give me aid.

Wrappers may be from a Single or King Size bar of the following:

M&Ms, Snickers, Milky Way, Starburst, Twix, Skittles, Bounty, PBMax, Mars,
3 Musketeers, Pizza Combos, Today's Munch, Dove (chocolate bar), and
Snickers Ice Cream Bars.

Thank you.

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
Not endorsed by UC Berkeley.
(I go back to school in Sept., wrappers must be mailed before Oct. 15)


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Douglas C. Pearson)
Subject: Re: Perot's October Surprise
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:38:43 GMT

Distribution: usa

Is it conceivable, folks, that Mr. Perot is going to return to the  
campaign after these raving mad supporters of his get him on the ballot in  
all 50 states, just like they were commissioned to do?

That would really give him a place to say "Now look, boys, I didn't want  
this job.  I even tried not to run.  But the owners of the country wanted  
me to run, and they put me here, so let's get to work, boys."

Perot may just have inadvertently saved his campaign by putting it back in  
the hands of the common folk and not the campaign advisers.

Comments, questions, doubts, fears, anxieties?

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu

P.S.  By the way, what do you guys make of Clintons 30-point lead in the  
polls, besides the fact that it's only July?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton on Health Care
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.002510.24909@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:


>Press release from Clinton/Gore Campaign

[entire text of Slick Willie's health care concerned voter bribe proposal 
deleted]

I wonder where Slick Willie and Prince Albert plan to get all that money 
from?
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:56:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <+bbm!_f.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.030151.1302@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>>In article <a-bm!n+.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>>                                           The real issue is what was
>>
>>Umm, maybe he was telling the truth about the way it happened? He may not
>>be as conniving as you!
>
>Joe, I am sorry to tell you this, but at the national political level
>nothing happens by accident. 

Yep...sure.  Just ask Dan Quayle (how do you spell his name?  or potato? and
are those Samoans really happy campers?  And is there really a problem with
'unwed babies'?)  What happened to Perot after 'you people'?

If we are to take your above statement at face value, then I suppose we have
a Republican VP acting like a buffoon on purpose.

>Clinton's remarks were a part of a scheme
>to avoid culpability for breaking English law. However as we all know,
>it backfired on him and he has given us a glimpse of the liar that he
>is.
>

Why is he worried about English law?  This is the US, bub.  Your obvious
tunnel vision leads one to suspect that you play fast and loose with the facts,
not Clinton.

Backfire?  Sheesh!  The man leads Bush by over 20 points in the polls.  I
could use some backfires like that.

George Lambert
Organization: Doctoral student, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.desert-storm
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:22:39 -0400 
From: Conrad Poelman <cp2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Iraq, Uraq, Heraqs
Distribution: world

Excerpts from netnews.alt.politics.elections: 28-Jul-92 Iraq, Uraq,
Heraqs Bradley K. Sherman@alfa. (1188)

> There are teams of spies on the ground in Iraq inspecting government
> buildings and installations.

It constantly amuses me when Saddam and his friends refer to the U.N.
inspectors as "spies".  Of course in a sense they're spies - their
express purpose is to obtain secret Iraqi military information!  But I
think the term "spy" is generally used to refer to someone who sneaks
around undercover and pretends he's someone he's not.  Someone who says
"Hi, I'm from the U.N. inspection team and here to look for secret
military information!" doesn't quite seem to fit my definition of a spy.

--Conrad
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