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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:25:21 CDT
From:         TSANDERS@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Words, Fun, Degrees

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Given the tendency of librarians to complain bitterly about salary levels
in the profession, and to the dead-end nature of many library jobs, it was
an eye-opener to see that people in other fields we tend to think of as
higher paid and more prestigious are anxious to qualify for library jobs.
In many ways it seems to me the skirmish is about something without
enormous value, like the pieve of land Fortinbras was leading his army
to contest (in Hamlet).  (excuse me, pieve=piece)

I will comment on a difference of approach.  It seems apparent that many
non-librarians are viewing these library systems and automation jobs (which
typically pay in the low to mid 30s) as entry level in nature while librarians
tend to characterize them as appropriate for personnel experienced in other
fields of librarianship.

Perhaps this all goes back to a comment I saw on this or another list in the
recent past--sorry for lack of accurate attribution--to the effect that
academic disputes are so bitter because the stakes are so low.

It is also true that in the 20+ years I have been a librarian, librarians
as a profession have been working hard to get some recognition for the
professional nature of their careers.  This includes fending off interlopers
like the people with MLS degrees from non-accredited programs, the people
with media degrees, the people whose doctorates in German philology didn't
get them jobs, etc.  At some time or other, there have been libraries whose
administration took the position that these individuals were interchangeable
with holders of the MLS and that, as in the pre-library school days, the
library could provide all the training and education in librarianship itself.
Librarians have natually been threatened by this tendency, as with the suits
in public library situations seeking to force system to promote experienced
support staff into professional positions, at least in part because of the
perception that this would lower prestige of the profession and help keep
salaries depressed.  (NOTE: natually=naturally, systm=systems)

I imagine the next 20 years will see a great difference in how libraries are
run and in the perception of what a librarian is and does.  Each individual
decision we make now will affect that future.  The relationship between
library science, information science, and computer science, is merely one
element in a rather complex and challenging situation.

Thomas Sanders, Serials, Auburn University, AL (tsanders@auducvax)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:42:08 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Authorization for CD-ROM users

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From: Annanaomi=Sams%LIBRARY%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
Subject: re: AUTHORIZATION OF USERS RE: CD-ROM and NETWORKED RESOURCES
We are in similar circumstances.  We decided to put a passworded menu on the
standalone cd-rom stations which have a variety of databases loaded.  On our
MEDLINE network (which also includes additional databases) we have a password
system as well.

Each require additional staff time.  In the former, it is fairly straight
forward.  No Medical Center picture i.d., no password issued.  These passwords
are issued at the Circulation and Reference Desks.  It is the same password
for each machine.  We change it as necessary, i.e. every few months.  We
usually wish we changed it every few weeks...but alas that takes additional
staff time.  If a non-Medical Center user wishes to use the databases on the
standalone, we charge them a fee.  As you can tell, this is not very secure
re: password, but we've found that the fee usually discourages students from
other campuses.  In fact, almost always.

For the MEDLINE network, we are in the process of issuing passwords to all
Medical Center applicants.  Non-Medical Center users pay a fee for access via
a generic, changing password.

We've found no way to avoid issuing passwords.  It works better for us than
telling our non-primary clientele to vacate the machines.


Annanaomi Sams                      University of Massachusetts Medical Center
Deputy Library Director                                   55 Lake Avenue North
Medical Library                                            Worcester, MA 01655
asams@umassmed.ummed.edu                                          508-856-2399

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From:         DEbra <DSCHNEID@INDYSTTI>
Subject:      Re: AUTHORIZATION OF USERS RE: CD-ROM and NETWORKED RESOURCES
You might distribute disks from a central point to those with university
IDs.  It's more hassle, but then you have some control over who
uses the CD-ROMs.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:29:44 CDT
From:         "Virginia R. Hetrick" <IARGRAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Z39.50

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Could somebody give me about a five/ten line description of what
this does?  It seems like it is either a standard or a proposed
standard of some sort.  It's popped up three times in conversation
outside this list in the last week and I've seen it here once or
twice.

Thanks.

virginia
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:23:43 CDT
From:         George Janczyn <janczyn%nowalls.ucsd.edu@Sdsc.BITnet>
Subject:      ERIC revisited

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A number of people have sent me personal messages, misunderstanding my
posting which asked whether anyone can say how to get free access to DIALOG.
Just to set the record straight: I was trying to be funny.  My message was
in response to a message on pacs-l from an individual who stated he used to
be able to access OCLC's EPIC without charge, but that that door had been
shut...he then asked if anyone can tell him another way to get in for free,
promising not to publicize the illicit method if anyone told him how.  Of
course having to explain my joke makes it fall flat.  Oh well.
George Janczyn
University of California, San Diego
janczyn@nowalls.ucsd.edu
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:24:48 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Specialnet

2 Messages, 61 Lines
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From: "Jay A. Leavitt" <LEAVITT@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject: specialnet
The following information comes from a RESNA report I put up on my
gopher and may not be up to date:

SPECIALNET
National Association of State Directors Of Special Education
2021 K Street, NW
Suite 215
Washington, D.C. 20006
800-634-5644

Description: an electronic network devoted to the information needs of
special education teachers and administrators. The network includes
electronic mail, bulletin boards, databases and conferencing. The use of
SpecialNet hookups for professional interchanges within several local
agencies is also possible.

Target audience: special educators and administrators.

Hardware/software needs: telecommunications software and modem.

How to access: via local Telenet number.

Cost: several types of subscription plans are available. The basic plan is
$200 a year with subscribers billed monthly for connect time. Connect rates
vary from $4 per hour during nighttime hours (9pm-7am daily) to $13 during
business hours (7am-6pm, Monday thru Friday).


*******************

If you want to access the gopher re other nets etc, type

                gopher val-dor.cc.buffalo.edu 70

                                Jay
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From: "Anne H. Ross voice: 813 273 3624" <ROSSA@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: RE: Specialnet
I must be getting old (more likely blind from all the fine print) but I
couldn't find an author in that message.  I would also like to know if
anyone has experienced Specialnet.  We are in the formative stages of a
freenet here in Tampa, FL and many people have requested Seniornet which we
have since determined is available through American Online (as a gateway
service, mayhaps) but I have never heard of Specialnet.  We are trying to
make sure we include services to as many different groups as possible and
such as net truly interests us.

Please let me know also, or, maybe the list afterall?  Thanks much.

Anne Ross, Head
Fine Arts/Audio-Visual Services
Tampa-Hillsborough Co. Public Library System

Internet:   rossa@firnvx.firn.edu
  Bitnet:   rossa@firnvx
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:39:46 CDT
From:         Stephen Perry <STEPHPER@UAFSYSB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: electronic journals
              17 Nov 1992 15:00:24 CDT from <eric_morgan@library.lib.ncsu.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Eric,

Please share any information you may receive with the list. I'm sure it  will
be of interest to many libraries. Thanks.

_________________________
  STEPHEN PERRY
  ASSOCIATE REFERENCE LIBRARIAN
  UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES, UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS
  FAYETTEVILLE, AR 72701        BITNET:  STEPHPER@UAFSYSB.BITNET
                              INTERNET:  STEPHPER@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:29:17 CDT
From:         IYBG0@EBCCUAB1.BITNET
Subject:      European Library Programme

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona Library Service is now participating
in Telephassa, a project of COMETT-II Programme of the European
Communities. We would like to participate as a partner in the Library
Programme of the European Communities (Second call for proposals).
Our main fields of interest are: desktop document delivery,ILL
electronic document delivery, online contents databases and image
databases. We area also ready to consider projects on other fields.
Please contact us if you are looking for a partner.

                Joan Gomez Escofet
                Director del Servei de Biblioteques
                UNIVERSITAT AUTONOMA DE BARCELONA
                SPAIN
                tel. (3) 5811015
                fax  (3) 5812000
                e-mail IYBG0@CC.UAB.ES
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:42 CDT
From:         l235-au@garnet.berkeley.edu
Subject:      Re: Information Poor

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I think that Dave Goldman makes great points in his response to the information
poor discussion.
Jaye Lapachet
student, UC Berkeley School of Library and Information Studies
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:25:00 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Library Automation--Comments & Questions

3 Messages, 68 Lines
1) VAX/VMS Text Software
2) Computer Viruses in Library Software-Response
3) Disabling Exit to DOS
Please respond directly to the authors, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana
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From: "Ernest Perez, Oregon State Library"
 <opac!perez%OPAC.osl.or.gov@CS.ORST.EDU>
Subject: VAX/VMS text software?

I'm looking for *economical* text database software or retrieval approach
for VAX or MicroVax, running under VMS.

I need to find something with some of the power of a BASIS or BRS, but not
in the triple-digit-thousands price range.

My corpus includes multiple bibliographic files, MARC record files, full
text files of case opinions, administrative rules, lists of minority and
female businesspersons, etc.  So I do need freedom to define fields, allow
controlled and free text vocabulary indexing, and do formatted displays and
report generation.

I've got experience in running databases under BASIS and STAIRS on big- and
middle-sized platforms.

I am aware of Excalibur and Verity.  They're okay, althoug a bit off the
mainstream.  But they miss out on the "economical" specification.
Rockefellers, we're not....  Millard Johnson at Portland State has
suggested we look at using MUMPS, so we're looking at that.

I'd appreciate any product names, contacts, and phone numbers.

I will summarize, if this query turns up some new and interesting
possibilities....

cheers,

ernest perez ** Oregon State Library ** perez@osl.or.gov ** 503-378-4502
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  "When you come to a fork in the road, take it...."
                              - Yogi Berra
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From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Computer Viruses in Library Softwares

Comp.virus (usenet) or virus-l (listserv) offer additional information -- but
for a quick general answer, I would recommend Disinfectant for Macs and
FPROT for PCs. The comp.virus periodic posting lists anti-virus archive
sites where these software packages and other information can be found.

Disinfectant is free, FPROT is reasonably-priced shareware.

    Albert Lunde                      Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu
                                      alunde@nuacvm.bitnet
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From: "Elinor Maze 70550.1703@COMPUSERVE.COM" <70550.1703@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Disabling Exit to DOS from Compute Selec

Has anyone found a way to disable the "Exit to DOS" function available from the
"SYSTEM" menu option in the Computer Select CD-ROM, LAN version?  We are using
the product in a public-access LAN environment, and it is the one "backdoor
exit" we have not been able to lock.
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From:         "Cynthia F. Pawlek" <Cynthia.F.Pawlek@dartmouth.edu>
Subject:      Specialnet

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have a patron interested in getting access to Specialnet.  Does
anyone have information they could share about this network?  All I
know is that it deals with handicap issues.
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From: eric_morgan@library.lib.ncsu.edu (Eric Morgan)
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Subject: electronic journals
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:00:24 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I would like to know what libraries out there are systematically collecting
electronic journals and how they are doing this.

Eric Lease Morgan, Systems Librarian
NCSU Libraries
Box 7111, Room 2111
Raleigh, NC 27695-7111
(919) 515-6182
eric_morgan@ncsu.edu
From: cjboyer@uci.edu (Calvin Boyer)
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Subject: gopher
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:57:57 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
cross posted PACS-L and LIBREF-L

While the responses to my earlier query
        I would be interested in talking by e-mail with anyone
        who has mounted a local library gopher client
        which is used by public services staff at the
        reference or information desk
did not include any information about local gopher clients, the responses
do highlight the diffusion/adoption of gopher servers.  While the number of
operating gopher servers within libraries is yet relatively small, a several
fold increase is in the implementation/planning stages.

One of the most robust examples of a gopher server with library strong ties
is that of the University of California, Santa Cruz InfoSlug System.
The benefits of cooperative efforts among computing, telecommunications,
and the university library are evident throughout InfoSlug.  Of
special interest to many readers of this listserv are its menus--
particularly the main menu about UCSC InfoSlug, its sub menus about the
system's use [help screens], and the library menus.

To see InfoSlug firsthand, if you have ready access to a gopher, point it
at the University of California - Santa Cruz InfoSlug System.  If not, you
can telnet directly to InfoSlug:

        <telnet>  infoslug.ucsc.edu
        <login>   infoslug


      Calvin Boyer  Library  University of California, Irvine
                   PO Box 19557  Irvine, CA  92713
BITNET: cjboyer@uci.bitnet  INTERNET: cjboyer@uci.edu  PHONE: 714 856-4764
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:39:28 CDT
From:         "James Milles, SLU Law Library" <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: dial network access

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have the PDIAL list, the NSF Network Provider Referral List, and
a couple of others compiled into one large file that's available by
anonymous ftp from liberty.uc.wlu.edu, directory /pub/lawlib, file
internet.access

Jim

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Head of Computer Services                    Fax: (314) 658-3966
Saint Louis University Law Library
3700 Lindell Blvd.             Internet: millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu
St. Louis, MO  63108
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:41:14 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Research in Progress

2 Messages, 70 Lines
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From:    JUDYK@LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL
Subject: RE: Research in Progress
"Listowner, please summarize responses for the list"

Gee, that's neat! Let's all make it a standard line to add when
we ask questions, instead of offering to summarize the responses
we get, for the list, like we have been doing. After all, it
relieves each of us of about an hour's work, and it isn't our
problem how many hundred hours' work it adds to the listowners;
that's their job, isn't it?

                           : - )

Seriously, it was a good question and since the asker apparently
doesn't have time to summarize, it would be nice if people could
reply to the list.

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| Judy Koren,                                         |
| Head, Technical Services, Elyachar Central Library, |
| The Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology,     |
| Haifa, Israel 32000.                                |
|                                                     |
| Email: judyk@lib.technion.ac.il                     |
|    or: lbjudy@vmsa.technion.ac.il                   |
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From:        f-norman@(Frank Norman) nimr.mrc.ac.uk
Subject:     Re: Research in Progress
Although it may not be quite what you had in mind, the database called CRIB
(Current Research in Britain) may be of interest to you.  This has
previously been produced by the British Library in print and online
versions, but is now contracted out to a company called Longman Cartermill
who have also produced a CDROM version.  It contains details of current
projects at UK Universities and some other research laboratories, giving
staff names, project titles, funding sources and sometimes publications.  It
covers science, social science, arts & humanities.

Longman Cartermill also produce BEST  - a CDROM database of research
expertise in science and technology - which complements CRIB quite nicely.

Their address is:

            Longman Cartermill Limited
            Technology Centre
            St Andrews
            FIFE KY16 9EA
            UK

        tel + (44) 334 77660
        fax + (44) 334 77180

I have no connection with the company except as a satisfied user of their
products.


Frank Norman
Deputy Librarian

National Institute for Medical Research
The Ridgeway, Mill Hill, London NW7 1AA, United Kingdom

tel + (44) 81 959 3666 ext 2380
fax + (44) 81 906 4477

Email (Janet): f-norman@uk.ac.mrc.nimr
From: CZSK@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Angella Lambrou. Health Sciences Library. McGill U)
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Subject: BRS On Site
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:58:58 GMT
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Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
This request for information has been posted on PACS-L, MEDLIB
and BRS-L. I apologize for the cross posting.

Here at McGill University, we are interested in hearing from sites
who have become BRS/On Site customers in the last 12-24 months.
Briefly outline your reasons for selecting BRS, satisfaction with
BRS customer support, and overall reaction from your user community
to the BRS search system. Please list the databases running under
the BRS search software.

Please respond to me. I will summarize responses for the list if
there is any interest. Many thanks in advance.

Angella Lambrou
Computer Services Librarian
Health Sciences Library
McGill University
Email: CZSK@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Tel: (514) 398-4757
FAX: (514) 398-3890
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:32:38 CDT
From:         Phyllis Wright <pwright@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
Subject:      Address for LSU

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thank you

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Would anyone know the Internet/Bitnet address for Louisiana State
University Library Catalogue in Baton Rouge?  Thanks
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