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From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:50:28 GMT



  Several interesting (however rude) responses to the
"Difference" thread have been posted; however, they seem to be 
falling into the "you're wrong, Western fool!  You don't understand!"
It seems that, to mirror the old cliche, "if you really understood
[insert: Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc], then you wouldn't
be criticizing it, so shut up until you understand."

A neat tautology.

However, it is clear that the perception of Zafar, for instance,
is that I implicitly praise "Western" culture, or Christianity:
I do not.

I am happy to criticize the sexist and dogmatic aspects of Canadian
culture (my own), American culture (although this is a bit too
easy), and many others.  However, this is soc.culture.iranian.

Nor am I critical of the right of all individuals to belief what
they wish, however critical I may be of their actual beliefs.
I am concerned with cases where the "believe as they wish" policy
prevents some (indeed many) people from in fact doing so.

I am critical of the religious/dogmatic state, period.  I believe
such a state arbitrarily asserts some beliefs at the expense of many 
or all others.


However, this leaves the domain of soc.culture.iranian.
If anyone wishes to continue this debate, I am more than
willing to do so in a more general group, such as
soc.feminism, talk.politics.theory, talk.religion.misc,
or soc.culture.arabic.

I will not, however, waste the time and bandwidth of those 
who feel that this discussion is tangental to the mandate of 
soc.culture.iranian.

If anyone wishes to carry on, let me know.

__________

Loren King
MIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mariam Hakim-Zargar)
Subject: Re: Persians versus Germans
Reply-To: MHz@nwu.edu (Mariam Hakim-Zargar)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:37:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.034026.8527@math.toronto.edu> of soc.culture.iranian,
  vahid@math.toronto.edu (Friedrich Kourosh Vahid) writes:
> I have been told that Persians originated from Europe. Is it part
> of Germany that they originated from?
> 


The Persians, like the Germans are of the Arian race which lived in the area
of today's Siberia, but had to move south due to the severe weather change
(siberia turned cold, as it is now)  BTW, this is a well-documented fact.
I believe the year was something around 4000 BC, but dont quote me onit..I
might be wrong..but it's something around there...long time ago!

MHz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 81241@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Shahryar Vazirian)
Subject: test
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 10:14:16 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim

  Das ist ein test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Subject: FARSI SPELL CHECKER update
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: University of South Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:55:03 GMT


---

Doostan Salam Arz Mekonam

Well it has know been over a month or so now that the FARSI SPELL CHECKER
project has been under way. I am extremly honored to report that we have had a
very large response to this initiative.

As you may have seen in privious postings by other group members this project
has the objective to produce a FARSI spell checking software which would be
public domain and free for every one to use. The software will initialy be
written to operate in conjunction with an existing FARSI wordprocessor known as
INTEXT ( a copy of this is available at  tehran.stanford.edu in uudecoded form
and can be down loaded via ftp ). The main reason for choosing this software
package ( ie. the INTEXT wordprocessor ) was the fact that it can handle both
FARSI and ENGLISH on the same page and it was also public domain and runs on
the IBM PC's which are widely available and used.

Although we are to write the spell checker to work with this wordprocessor this
does not mean that we can not easly adapte our program for other wordprocessors
and other platforms ie. OS2, UNIX, VMS etc. The reason that this can be done
with relative ease is becaused all members are now in the process of entering
predeterminde sections of the dcitionary ( with english meanings ) into INTEXT
WP files in a predefined format which all members are using. So by using a
defined format programs can be easly modified to be used by othe wordprocessors
and othe platforms.

I also would like to urge all of you fellow IRANIANS to join us in our effort
to under taken this large but fruitfull project to show that despite the
differences in terms of politics etc we do still have an underlying solidarity.
Please do join we can as a united team achive great things !!!

Again I would like to urge all people to look at this project and consider
joining as we do need help in typing in the FARSI words and the english
meanings. Therefore please do not hesitate to contact me as we do not only
require people who are experts in programming, we need all the help from the
whole spectrum of IRANIANS. As I have stated before the wordprocessor INTEXT
can easly be obtained from tehran.stanford.edu via ftp or if you can not use
ftp we can send it to you.

Finally I would like to thank you for your time and hope you consider this very
interesting and fruitfull project and consider it a start of a greater union of
the IRANIANS and the IRANIAN community.

Please contact me if you are interested at the following email address:

		8809787L@LV.LEVELS.UNISA.EDU.AU

I hope to hear from you in the near future.

Ghorbaneh Shoma

payam pourbeik  ( writing on behalf of the Iranian spell checker project group)


 
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Loren King is my real name.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:49:22 GMT

In article <19154.9211111335@thor.cf.ac.uk>, scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:

|> To Ms L.King,
|> 
|> Is this your real name??
|> I am sure you are a jew so your name has to be something like
|> KAHAN, KHIEEM, or MENAHIM.
|> That is the practice of all the jews they change their names
|> claim they are christians
|> then they start attaking ISLAM and the MUSLIM regadless in the
|> name of FREEDOM.

Charming.

|> 
|> Why do not you attak the Turkish Govenment who ban the Hijab
|> and SADDAM who killed thousands of innocent people. 
|> 
|> NO OFF COURSE NOT 
|> 
|> The Turkish gov. doing a very good job especially their are thousands of
|> jews (every single jew is a spy for Israel) in Turkey
|> and Saddam is a great man in your eyes
|> and most of the American and the jews where else they can find
|> an evil like him
|> This the truth ms King or what ever your name is.
|> 
|> 
|> M.G
|> CARDIFF, WALES, U.K


My name is Loren A. King.  I am male.  I grew up in Canada and
hold Canadian and New Zealand citizenship.  I have travelled a
great deal and am fascinated by Islamic and Taoist belief systems, 
and by the cultures which have arisen within them.  I am also 
interested in the cultures of the first peoples of Canada, 
Australia and New Zealand.

My present research in the PhD program at MIT aims at developing 
alternative models of rational behaviour, drawing upon feminist 
theory, cognitive science, logic and comparative history of religious
and political institutions.

I have no religious affiliations. 

Finally, I find your (M.G.) racist and anti-semitic slurs repugnant.

I have quickly tired of this sort of character defense on SCI.  
If the topic returns to Iran and I have something useful
to contribute, I will post again.  Until then, thanks to all
contributors ... its been an education.

Loren King
MIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: me angry? Naaa never!  Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Keywords: PasGardani, lagad paroun, 7/11 and  Taghee
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:13:47 GMT

Seyyed  aka  PasGardani writes:
|> 
|> Farhad khAne lagad paroun writes:
|> 
|> >>He was the editor of Farad Magazine which printed an improper caricature
|> >>of Ayatollah khomeini.
|> >
|> >There was no proof on that,  only radical brainless fenatics like you
|> >thought they saw komaini.
|> >
|> >beside  what was wrong for khomaini playing football?
|> 
|>Well, the Iranian judge said that it was an insult.Mr. Arabha certainly didn't
|>intend to insult anybody, he even wasn't aware of what his caricaturist did.
|>His fault was that he wasn't careful and didn't control everything.

Did you see the picture?  I think you should protest to Iranian
judicial system and tell them to remove that JUDGE from the bench.

If you are really fair and a TRUE moslem!  but I think I am asking
too much from you!


|> 
|> >What law BUD?  This aint Iran dude, wake up and smell  the chAyee.
|> >IRI's stupid radical laws do not and will never be implemented here.
|> 
|>You are an Iranian citizen, and under Iranian law. When you go to Iran, 
|>nobody can prevent Iran's law to be applied to you.


Fine!  As long as the LAW is fair and blind, I do not mind!!

But again  I think we are asking too much here too.



|> 
|> >How is this: I will send your threats or in your word "remindings"
|> >to your local admin and your advisor and the local INS office and
|> >your local FBI whatever and  let them decide.  
|> 
|> How do you know that they are going to take YOUR side? You are insulting in
|> public the leader of another country! Do you want me to send a copy of your
|> insults to Washington D.C. and then see who is going to get into trouble?



You never got it and those Foldgers crystalls [(c) shahrokh] up there
are not helping either!

Please send all copies of my insults to D.C. and anyone you want. BUT
D.C. is a big city where do you want to send it to?   I know, right at
the 32nd and 4th ,  there is a 7/11,  I do not have the number but
you can send it there if you want to.




|> 
|> >I let you tell me when to send it and I'll do it.  Hey what to 
|> >worry,   GOD is with you?   ;-)
|> 
|>I certainly wouldn't suggest this kind of war. If you start it, you may not be
|>able to stop it.


DO NOT TELL ME,   You started it and you should stop it. It is for your
own good.

Remember there is a big difference between insult and threat!


|> 
|>>Boos Boos 
|> 
|> vAseye arbAbAt.

No  that was for you!  but you should take a shower  more often!  :-)

MMMMMMMMMuch!

|> 
|> >Farhad
|> 
|> Seyyed.
|> 
|> >P.S.  You never send your advice about Taghee? Can he go for
|> >      15 of them at one time or 4 at a time?  
|> >      come on,  he is waiting.
|> 
|> cheshe mage? dAreh mirizeh?

The Poor chap is just try to follow the rules and LAWS my dear,
be fair with him and tell us what to do? 
He situation is desparate!

another MMMMMMMMMuch!

Farhad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Re: Hejab
Followup-To: Politics of difference
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:41:32 GMT


What is the exact translation of "hejab"?  What is the exact
koranic passage that requires a woman to cover her hair, face, ect?

I was always under the impression that the Koran prescribed "modest"
dress for women AND men.  I have never heard it said that the
Koran requires a specific area (besides the bosom) to be covered.

My point is this:  There is a difference between "modest" dress
and a law naming a specific type of dress or covering.

Thank you

Regards,

Mellissa Namazi
From: ali@utrcv1 (Ali Eslami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: An ant a day keeps the doctor away.
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: An ant a day keeps the doctor away
Date:  9 Nov 1992 15:57 EST
Distribution: world
Keywords:

Beijing (UPI)
An ant a day keeps the doctor away at least according to Chinese scientist.
The official Xinhua news agency said Chinese entomologist, or ant experts,
recently wound up their country's first national symposium on the medical
applications of ants. Xinhua quoted the experts as saying China has a 3000
years history of ant-eating with many Chinese still munching crunchy ants
today. "In some regions in south west China, local people regularly eat
ants, and... as a result, the locals enjoy good health." Xinhul said.
The news agency said some 40 entomologist and medical workers attending the
three-day seminar concluded that China's most common ant species, Polyrhachis
Vicina Roger, proved effective against rheumatism, hepatitis-b and other
"immunity disorders." The ants also contain many trace elements vital to
human health, Xinhua said.
the news agency added that the "many research papers" presented at the seminar
included new techniques on extracting "the usable ingredients from ants..to
make medicine."
"this marked a new ant-processing stage to the old direct eating method,"
Xinhua said.

    (baggete aabaad sheh moorcheiee)
I can't wait to taste  the new Akbar mashdee morecheh flavored Ice-cream.
It's not just tasty but healthy too.        



                    ********************************
                    * ALI BABA, not an old legend, * 
                    *   But a new guardian angel   *          
                    ********************************


Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: ...fearing Allah
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:22:44 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Nov5.104746.1596@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

> The "little boys" mentions is in the text (by Shakir).  (And I have
> only apologised for the mistake of attributing it to Yusof-Ali.)  
  ^^^^

Oops!  I meant "already".

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Persians versus Germans
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:09:20 GMT
Reply-To: rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov8.034026.8527@math.toronto.edu>, vahid@math.toronto.edu (Friedrich Kourosh Vahid) writes:
>I have been told that Persians originated from Europe. Is it part
>of Germany that they originated from?


I thinks you have got it the other way round. It is the Germans who originated
from where the Persians did.

Reza.
Reza							rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Department of Electronics and Computer Science		Tel. (0703) 593120
University of Southampton				Fax. (0703) 593045
Southampton SO9 5NH, UK.
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From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Cool World Joke
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:19:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbeh.1992Nov9.221923.2068
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

salam alaikum bros and sis's

i got a joke for all of you, kind of stupid, but i never said that i had some
of the best jokes.
my fans can flame me just for the sake of flaming me again.

pat buchanan is in a psycho ward all tied up and wrapped in a strait jacket.
his psychiatrist comes up to him and says, "well, mr. buchanan, we have the
results of your psychological analysis. it says here that you are a homophobic,
pedophilic, devil worshipping and child molesting fan of maury povich."

well good old pat can't stand that kind of an accusation and screams really
loud, "IT IS AN INSIDIOUS LIE PERPETRATE BY THE DEMOCRATS TO DISCREDIT ME AND
FAMILY VALUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't stand Maury Povich."


--== not the fingernail man ==--

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:18:16 GMT

81241@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Shahryar Vazirian) writes:

>  Das ist ein test.

Ich verstehe nicht Deutsch. Bitte schreiben Sie in Englisch oder Persisch.

    --mack

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From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: of baghals legends joojaahs and fingernails: thoughts about rn
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

there once were two wanna be and one not wanna be. the wanna be's names were
javad and ali. the not wanna be was zafar. javad wanna be'd a baghal, ali
wanna be a legend or a joojah, the problem was that he couldn't by an acura. it 
caused alot of mental distress. so he ended up liking people like pat buchanan
and other liers and hypocrites of the republican party. javad knew that he 
couldn't be a baghal. he didn't have the milk for it. oh well. 
along comes this very cool dude ala soc.culture.pakistan. he was not a 
wanna be, wanna not bed a fingernail man. his name is very similar
to tha arabic zufr. and he had mental stress to everyone in University
of Cincinnati, instead of buying him a graduation present rewarded him
with the appelation the fingernail man, and a rap was mad in his name for
that. so one day fingernails, baghal and joojah meet in this organization
which is a veritable subculture for computer brainiacs call soc.*. soc.*
is a forum where fantasy meets reality and the difference between the two
can not be clearly distiguished. 
while baghal and joojah were bitching at each other. fingernails was wondering
to himself, maybe the thought hit him suddenly, he is not sure. actually it
was told to him, and he was stupid for not taking what was said seriously.
yes, soc.* is a real subculture. it has the ability to suck a person into
a strange kind of world. no one has seen any one else yet each person reading
has the audacity to form judgements of other people. so while baghal and joojah
have it out on one end. seyyed and alot of people have it out somewhere else
and someone else let's it out somewere else on another network, leading
fingernails to think. whatever happened to the days when communication was
almost always face to face? the more fingernails thought about this, the more
he began to think, there are alot of people who read these articles, but
do not repond or post. who are these silent people?.... hmmmm.
then i began to think even further. i could know the people who read but not
post. are they friends of mine? what could i have said or done to upset them?
should it bother me?
this leads me to another conclusion which should be obvious, but for some
people it is really not so. there is a bigger world than soc.*. to all the
readers of soc.* who i may have offended, i apologize for the way i presented
my posts, maybe not for my views, but for the way i present them. as far
as the soc.* goes. i don't know about this thing, it has a way of sucking the
humanity out of humans. kind of makes you go hmmm....

later
--== not the fingernail man ==--
zafar
From: assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (Assana Fard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRAN, home of the first wine and beer brewery!
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:16:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Micorsystems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: polkadot

In article <lfk715INNc39@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>yes, its true!  and not because 'god said so'... 
>
>speaking of wine, has anyone tried that famous australian wine
>named "shirAz" ?

I've tried a '84 Carbonet Sauvignon which won Cann's international
wine festival in '86. 

While we are on the subject, I hear that 1992 was a great grape year for 
Australia's whites (chardoney, white zin, etc). Can some of our 
Australian SCIers enlighten us?
--
         ^-^
        /o o\
       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
          -
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Ms King real name (The Jews)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Ms King Is this your real name???
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:45:44 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <19154.9211111335@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:

|I am sure you are a jew so your name has to be something like
|KAHAN, KHIEEM, or MENAHIM.

Cute. Islamic respect for people of the book as practiced by fanatics.

---------------------------------------
here we go again another jew????

either you pretend you know nothing or for sure you are idiot.

the jews are NOT the people of the book they 
rejected their prophet MOSES they rejected JESUS and prophet MOHAMMED 
----------------

They control USA and the WEST and even BUSH or CLINTON do not dare
to speak aginst the jews

and I think HITLER was right when he said that they are like a cancer
in a body and should be removed.

       ** WHERE EVER WHEN EVER THERE ARE SUFFERING **
** AND MASS KILLING YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE JEWS BEHIND IT**

M.G
CARDIFF, WALES, U.K.
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From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: MalcomX movie and Newsweek
Keywords: MalcomX Newsweek Dawah Islam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:09:55 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

-     If the movie is like the Autobiography (written by Haley) then, certainly
- many people will wnt to know more about Islam. After all, Malcolm X was the
- first Black American to visit Mecca. However, one cannot be too sure about
- what the content of the movie is going to be. I read somewhere that Spike Lee
- may have decided to focus more on the drug pedlar/pimp period of Malcolm X's
- life, which preceeded his joining with Islam. If Spike further chooses to 
- emphasize the role played by Elijah Muhammed, leader of Nation of Islam, and
- not a very good guy, then people might actually get to see more evil in Islam
- which would be quite bad really. So, let's hope that the Spike man has opted
- for the version of Malcolm's life that focuses on understanding other culture

From the few previews I have seen of the movie (on CNN) it looks like he 
(Spike) has done a good job covering Malcolm X's life...Since Malcolm 
converted to Orthodox Islam later on (just 1 year or so before he was 
killed) his ideas and beliefs were more up to par as the other Orthodox 
Muslims...

I haven't read many articles about the movie, but Spike did get 
permission to record Hajj on tape! Supposedly he is the first Western FIl 
film maker to gain permission to tape this event! He has covered the 
whole pilgrimage from the plane landing to the plane leaving.


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian