From: sk73171@cs.tut.fi (Kiiskil{ Sami)
Subject: Re: Sexism: Defined
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
	<SK73171.92Sep9224438@korppi.cs.tut.fi>
	<1992Sep9.204412.25723@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:19:30 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.204412.25723@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg) writes:

> >Which is mostly based on the fact, that it is much easier to try find
> >another than to report to 'equality-value-representative' ( or
> >whatever the term is... ). 

> Huh?

So the term probably isn't correct. I referred to the authority to whom
people can complain if they think they have been treated unequally due
their gender.

It isn't so simple to start all the questionings and trials that will
come out if the EVR finds out that there has been discrimination.
Usually it is much easier just to forget the whole thing and try to
find another job.

> I doubt it.  I would think that the women most inclined to abort an unwanted
> pregnancy are the ones who are most capable of standing up for their 
> rights and demanding their say.

If so, why they then got the 'unwanted' pregnancy ? They could as well
a) select a man that is willing to take his responsibility seriously,
b) use proper birth control method or
c) refuse to have sex with a jerk that doesn't take the results seriously.

I'd say the pro-abortion wonem are those that won't think the results
of their actions. ( or can't ... )

> Err -- she didn't say "anti-porn" here.  Turning off the TV doesn't get
> us more female-oriented porn, does it?  I sure don't see the connection.

Selecting the proper programs and turning it off otherwise would increase
the relative amount of required actions. Altough not the absolute amount.

> You seem to be talking quantity when she mentioned quality.

There isn't much quality in that area, the same old s*it always. 

> >Is't that theory already have proven wrong. The main reason fo women
> >being unable to handle techincal subjects is the lack of interest. 

> Um -- no, that theory already not have proven wrong. 

So, if it is right, why then even want the equality if there is
difference ?

> Grandparents are not available to everyone -- and willing grandparents
> are much more rare.  (I think my folks might be willing, but I dunno 
> about sending children on a two thousand mile flight every morning and 
> evening...)

True. That is only one possibility.

> Municipal daycare?  If such a thing exists (does it?) I'm not sure
> I'd trust it.  Did you not hear about the Chicago flood?

I think most people trust it. At least the great majority of children,
whose both parents go to work, are using that. There is also some sort
of 'private' daycare and family daycare, which is both municipal and
private also. 

What flood ? What that has to do with daycare ? We have had also some
floods in the northen areas, but if there were any daycare centers at
the area, they sure will be evaquated among the firts places.

> Wow!  I had not heard that feminism makes women sterile!  Shit!

> Seriously, what makes you think feminists can't have babies?

Usually they could, but don't want to. 
As men can't have babies, a real feminist won't also,
because that would be approving a non-equal situation instead of
changing it.

And if we suppose that a man has a feminist wievpoint, he won't
propably want to have an ordinary 'chick' as a companion. And since
females with feminist wievpoint does not need and want to be
with a man, that way isn't also producing results.

And since men usually would like to be with their children, the feminists
will not have much succes on just getting pregnant with a man and then
just taking the money and never seeing him again.
( at least men that aren't totally jerks, and who wants to support their
genetic paths )

> And how on earth do you think the feminist movement was born in the 
> first place if you have to be born and raised a feminist to end up a 
> feminist?

I tried to say that even if it is possible to change one's way of thinking
in the older age, it is far more efficient to be raised having one.
In this way the conventionalists will always have en edge, because
they can raise their children having their way of thinking when the
feminists must try to convert their supporters from the ordinarily raised
people.

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