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From: noah@cs.washington.edu (Rick Noah Zucker)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:17:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug28.171708.3923
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


	Several times in this thread I have seen people say that you can
screen calls with an answering machine.  As I have pointed out to
several people via e-mail, there is a price.  My parents prefer not to
leave me messages and thereby make me call them back.  They live in New
York.  So, my answering machine picks up after four rings and they know
that and that I would pick up the phone by the fourth ring if I were
home.  If I screen my calls with an answering machine, then they must
get the answering machine and pay for a long-distance call.  I had a
friend who was living with his girlfriend, but certain people were not
supposed to know about this.  So he screened his calls and it was a
real pain (he was also a long-distance call for me and was not good
about returning calls).  Whenever I called him, I had to wait for the
answering machine and it was a real pain.  The advantage of CallerID is
that you can screen the calls without making someone pay for a call.
I am not saying I am in favor of CallerID, but just pointing out that
screening calls with answering machines has problems.

					    Rick Noah Zucker
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright)
Subject: Help with phone line.
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:16:38 GMT

  I need help.  I have ordered, and got, a second phone line for my modem.
I had US West do nothing but start the dial tone so that I could do the
phoce jack myself. This, I heard, is easy; 4 wires-2 lines no problem. The
operator even said that my apartment had been wired for 2 lines sometime
in the past.  Now, here is the problem. I had no dial tone and when I opened
the wall jack, only three wires!  Is this possible? Can I get 2 numbers on
only three wires?
  If I have to run another wire does the apartment managers do that or am
I going to pay for it?

Any help?
greg


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: Me
Subject: Re: nanny
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Dstribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:26:07 GMT


	RE: Nannies
	
	To become paranoid about your nanny, see
a movie called "Hand That Rocks The Cradle"   


Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: Re: deadlock on Caller ID
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:41:49 GMT

In article <MS-C.714973387.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>Well, it seems this discussion has gotten as far as it can reasonably be
>expected to do.
>
>On one side we have people who say "I want Caller ID, I'm willing to pay for
>it, and I don't see what is wrong with me getting this information from anyone
>who presumes to call me."
>
>On the other side we have people who say "Caller ID is stupid, it just gives
>more revenue to US West, it doesn't solve any problems, and I don't see why
>anyone should be allowed to get this information."
>

Actually, there is another side. I don't give a damn if you want to pay for
Caller ID. I don't want it and I don't want to pay for a service that I'm
not getting. That ain't the way U.S. West wants it though. If Caller ID goes
through, I'm going to have to pay to have it shut off. No thanks.

>This is a deadlock.  Those of us who want Caller ID have run up against the
>Political Correctness Police who feel it is the business to tell us what we
>are and are not allowed to have or own.
>

Why does it always come down to PC for you. And my gripe is just that. Someone
telling me what I can or cannot have.

>It's amazing that these often tend to be the same clowns who claim that drugs
>should be legalized on the grounds that the government should have no business
>interfering in what a person can buy.  The hypocrisy of interfering between
>willing buyers (those of us who want Caller ID) and willing sellers (the phone
>companies) doesn't reach them.  Nor will it.
>

Fine, then buy the service. I'm not against you buying anything. I'm against
subsidizing your choice of services though.
-- 
Jerry Gaiser
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: sam@cheme.washington.edu (Samuel Herschbein)
Subject: Transcriber/Word Processer Seeks PT Work
Followup-To: seattle.general
Organization: Chemical Engineering, U Washington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:29:31 GMT

Posted for a friend:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Transcriber/Word Processer/Data Entry/Secretarial Catchup ?

You need 10-12 hrs/wk help to keep up with your work.

I need free lance evenings/weekends to earn extra income.

2.5 years with UW Dept. of Psych Projects
9+ years Administrative Support
MA, Literate, Former Educator, Mature

I work at your office with your equipment: your "stuff" is
always at your fingertips.

University, U District, and Downtown are on my bus routes.

References furnished upon request.

Please call and leave message: 527-3209
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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,pnw.general,pnw.personals
From: billcat@milton.u.washington.edu (Cory Sandahl)
Subject: Twenty Something Couple Seeks Housing
Reply-To: billcat@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:29:32 GMT

My girlfriend and I are looking to rent a house before the end of September.
We are both in our mid-twenties and are both employed.  We would prefer to 
live in Seattle or Bellevue.  Open to many different living situations.
Excellent references.

Please respond via private email.

Thanks!
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: sugm@Celestial.COM (Seattle Unix Group)
Subject: SEPTEMBER SEATTLE UNIX GROUP MEETING
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 07:26:31 GMT

                 SEPTEMBER SEATTLE UNIX GROUP MEETING
                        MEETING TIME AND PLACE
        _______________________________________________________
        Topics: POWERfusion -- DOS/UNIX Connectivity
                Backup Utilities on UNIX -- tar
          Time: September 8th 1992 (Second Tuesday) at 7pm
         Place: Mercer Island Community Center
                8236 SE 24th
                Mercer Island, WA (Next to Luther Burbank Park)
          Cost: $5.00 Non-Members.

 Our main speaker from the Network Group will present POWERfusion.

 ``POWERfusion is a complete software solution to provide fast,
 seamless PC to UNIX connectivity solution.

 ``POWERfusion features high-performance file system access to UNIX
 files by the MS-DOS users for simultaneous access by PC & UNIX based
 applications.  PC users also have high-performance terminal emulation
 access to the UNIX system applications.

 ``MS-DOS & UNIX users and applications can share access to any printer
 connected to any machine.
 This functionality in conjunction with a consistent user interface
 under both MS-DOS and UNIX combine to provide a complete solution.''

 Over the next few meetings we will discuss the use of various backup
 utilities.  This month the utility will be ``tar'' and its many
 variants.

       DIRECTIONS TO Mercer Island Community Center @ Mercer View:
 Westbound I-90 from Bellevue        Eastbound I-90 from Seattle
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 Right at stop sign          Right at stop sign
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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw-cs.bboard,uw.forsale
From: skahan@cs.washington.edu (Simon Kahan)
Subject: Volvo for sale
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:49:54 GMT

Heavy-Duty Pumpkin (aka Harvest Gold) colored '79 Volvo 242 DL
(2-door) auto-trans sedan with non-leaking sunroof.
Purchased used five years ago; have replaced oil regularly; new engine mounts.
Under 90,000 miles.  (Volvo engines are usually good for about 250,000 miles.)
Could use some body work and needs windows cleaned. Gets you where you're going.

$1800/obo, buyer must transport.  (206) 322 3799

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From: noah@cs.washington.edu (Rick Noah Zucker)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:36:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug27.163654.15316
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug27.075137.17343@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>Oh yes, another feature in the package: Call Return. You punch in the
>code and your phone dials the number (which you are not given) of the
>last phone to call *you*. This is great for the times when you get
>home and the phone quits ringing just before you can pick it up.
>
>Call return is also useful with some harassing type calls.

	If you read comp.risks, there was an interesting story about Call
Return recently.  It seems someone got a harassing phone call and used
Call Return.  However, it gave them the wrong number.  The guy who posted
to comp.risks got the call!  Software problems!

						      Rick Noah Zucker
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From: edgar@coco.ms.washington.edu (Edgar Karl Nielsen)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:32:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: coco.1992Aug28.163246.8338
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Univ of Wash , Math Sciences Computing Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Here are a couple of interesting items from the latest issue of 2600:

At least in New York, the 'Call Return' feature which lets you call the
last person to call you by dialing *69 works even if the caller was blocking
their number from Caller ID. (They also have an article on how to stop this
anyway by a variety of techniques). This weakens the argument that people
can just block Caller ID if they don't want their number given out.

'Call Trace'
Also, according to 2600, many phone companies require that you trace 6 
harassing calls from the same originating number before they will deal with
you. I've never seen anything regarding this in previous info on 'Call Trace'.
-- 

All opinions are my own....
---------
Edgar Nielsen
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: 486/33...
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.212245.13683@microsoft.com> davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes:
>I'm looking at buying a 486/33 for my home use. I've called a few companies
>who seemed to have good deals (or whose name I already knew). Can anyone
>comment on the following companies (or add recommendations or 
>unrecommendations to the list)?
>
>Lodestar
>ALR
>Austin
>Gateway (I've already seen some of the comments in these newsgroups)
>Dell
>
>(I'm basically looking for a 486/33, 8meg+, 200meg+, S3 or better video, 15"
>monitor, upgradable to 486/66)
>
>	Thanks,
>
>		Dave (davidst@microsoft.com)

Re: Gateway.  We buy Gateways at work.  Get a pallet about every week.
I have no idea how many we have gotten, but I am sure that it is several
hundred.  We have around two dozen 486/33 in our department and have only
had two failures that I know of in almost a year.  Both hard drives.
We have had a few problems with wrong shipments.  Desk tops instead 
of towers and such things, and it has taken a month or so to get it 
straightened out, but also sometimes the right equipment was in the next
shipmt. 

We don't get Gateway monitors though.  We use NEC 4FG and 5FG.  Just
about minimum if you are going to use Windows much.

I personally have a Zeos 386/33, over a year old now, and haven't had
any problems with it.  I also have a Packard Bell 386SX that is over 
two years old and trouble free.

A coworker just bought a Gateway 486/50 (a 486/25 with a doubler) and
hasn't had any troubles with it, or Gateway Co.
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From: merlyn@romulus.reed.edu (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Caller ID's fundamental flaw
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:58:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Aug26105759
	<1992Aug25.190953.25494@eskimo.celestial.com>
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Reed College

In article <1992Aug25.190953.25494@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
	   I have to agree; it is always a good idea to know who is calling
   just as I have a peephole in my door to see who is knocking on it, I
   have a need and right to see who is trying to telephone me.
	   If a person wants anominity in their calls then there is a
   million public pay phones to choose from in their calling adventuers.

Ugh, I've heard this analogy before, and have seen it shot to pieces.
It looks like I'll have to be the one to do it here.

Caller ID is *not* like having a peephole in your door that allows you
to see the face of the person.

Caller ID *is* like havina peephole in your door that allows to you see
*only* the License Plate number of the car that the person drove up in,
or possibly nothing if they didn't use a car.

Now, how many people can *you* identify strictly by license plate number?

This is the fundamental flaw of Caller ID.  You don't get a *person* id,
just a *channel-of-communication* id.

And that's not sufficient (I won't argue the side for "is it
necessary").

Take this brief test:
Quick.... the phone number on the screen is 777-0095

is it:
a) your friend?
b) your friend at a friend's house?
c) your significant other?
d) your significant other at a friend's house?
e) your significant other at the store needing a ride home because the car
   broke down?
f) your doctor with information about your blood test?
g) a telemarketing slimeball?
h) the same person that harrassed you 10 minutes ago, but at a new phone?

See?

What's the *point* of caller ID, except as a way to get more revenue
for the phone company, based on the "fear" factor and the "control"
factor?  But it merely raises a lot of false hopes, and cannot expect
to deliver what anyone needs from it.

That's why *I'm* against Caller ID.  As if you couldn't tell.

Screen your calls with answering machines or voicemail.  That's
sufficient, really!

(This doesn't even bring up my other major point: that it allows
businesses to collect local phone numbers to sell to telemarketeers,
but I'll save that for another discussion...)

Just another technology-induced hallucination,

--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@reed.edu (guest account) merlyn@ora.com (better for permanent record)
cute quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon -- home of the California Raisins!"
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From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,uw.general,misc.forsale,misc.wanted
Subject: Roommate wanted - Olympia
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:56:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug31.165603.21000
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



I am posting this for a friend of mine who lives in Olympia.  

She is looking for a roommate - quiet, considerate and conscientious - to
share her small 2 br/ 1 bath rental house on the west side.  She's got a
great cat and doesn't mind if you also have a pet.  The rent is $250 plus
1/2 utilities.

If you're interested and want to interview, call Ruth in Olympia at 786-6905.
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: re: Backing off on Caller Line ID... 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
To: danc@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:23:35 GMT

Dan Comden -

     A simple standalone Caller ID display unit with memory (typically
noting the past 40 or so calls) is about $50.  I am starting to see
telephones and answering machines with a Caller ID display and memory
for about the same prices as those without that capability; the
circuitry is real cheap.  It's like a speakerphone; you pay $30 for a
standalone speaker or $40 to get a telephone that has a speaker...

     You can be sure that when Caller ID becomes more prevalent, there
will be many more products to use it and to implement intelligent
answering behavior based upon the Caller ID information.  One big win
with this sort of thing is that since it is implemented by your own
equipment you won't be paying the phone company for your smart
answering system.  It's like the phones we've had for years now with
multi-number dial memories -- who in their right mind pays for Speed
Dialing anymore?

     As for the `subsidy' for Caller ID technology; you paid for that
when you voted for 911 service, and companies have been paying for it
even longer when they started using 800 service.  The technology is
here now; it isn't going to cost non-users extra money -- it's just a
matter of letting J. Random Consumer who is willing to pay for it have
access to it.

     Unfortunately, whenever a new technology appears there will always
be irrational technophobes who will oppose it.

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From: merlyn@romulus.reed.edu (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID's fundamental flaw
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:17:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Aug29141741
	<1992Aug25.190953.25494@eskimo.celestial.com>
	<MERLYN.92Aug26105759@romulus.reed.edu>
	<1992Aug27.215735.15442@mtek.com>
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Reed College

In article <1992Aug27.215735.15442@mtek.com> wbg@mtek.com (W. Brewster Gillett) writes:
   Randal - in case you missed the earlier thread-segment, you should be aware
   that businesses have had the ability to ID calling numbers for quite some
   time. It's called ANI and is an outgrowth of a facility that phoneco
   operators have had for years. Many large telemarketing orgs use ANI, often
   tying it to their customer database so as to flash up account history. I see
   CallerID as primarily aimed at the residence & small-business user. The
   really big dogs don't need it. Just setting the record straight .. :-)

I am totally aware of ANI.  As I understand it, it's available only on
800 calls (either in realtime, or in the bill, depending on the
sophistication of the customer), which makes sense because *they* are
paying for the call and have the right to know what number is using up
their money. But caller ID would move that into the arena of having
them get the number even when they *don't* pay for the call.  And
that's where I start drawing the line.

Just another phone caller,

--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@reed.edu (guest account) merlyn@ora.com (better for permanent record)
cute quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon -- home of the California Raisins!"
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From: kenk@algedi.UUCP (Ken Koster)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID's fundamental flaw
Distribution: pnw
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:17:16 PDT
Organization: WETNET - The Washington Experimenters Tcp/ip NETwork

In article <MERLYN.92Aug26105759@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@romulus.reed.edu (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>
> Take this brief test:
> Quick.... the phone number on the screen is 777-0095
>
> is it:
> a) your friend?
> b) your friend at a friend's house?
> c) your significant other?
> d) your significant other at a friend's house?
> e) your significant other at the store needing a ride home because the car
>    broke down?
> f) your doctor with information about your blood test?
> g) a telemarketing slimeball?
> h) the same person that harrassed you 10 minutes ago, but at a new phone?
>

Gee, since I have all my ringers disabled I did'nt even see the number
on the screen.

But my computer did.

    It's not one of the handfull of numbers that I have it programmed
    to totally ignore so the computer answers it.

    It isn't on my approved list of callers so my answering system does NOT
    announce the incoming call or check to see if it's a FAX or MODEM call.

    My friends all know how to enter an override code if they are not at
    one of the approved numbers.

    My doctor is on the approved list so it's not him. (He also has a
    personal override code in case he's not at his office) (and yes it's
    easy to remember, and moderately foolproof)

    My SO is out at the store so it could be her, but no personal override
    code is entered after 5 seconds, so....

    Obnoxious answering machine message #32 is played, and the response sent
    to mailbox #42, the one that I check maybe once a week. (or less)

I can't wait for caller ID.

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From: jdb@camano.seo.dec.com (Jeffrey D Brennan)
Subject: Piano for Sale ($500)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:31:20

I have a 1952 Lester piano for sale. It's the Betsy Ross Spinet
model.  It looks good and plays well.  I've enjoyed it for 5 years
and have just upgraded to an upright.  You can call me at (206)883-2001
or send mail to jdb@camano.enet.dec.com.

Thanks,
JD Brennan
[jdb@camano.enet.dec.com	Digital Equipment Corp.  Bellevue, WA]
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