From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Let me state my view (flames welcome :-)
Summary: Nope.  I'm playing this one hetrosexually-orientated 
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 04:11:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.233902.5458@ncsu.edu> jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
>
>OK I have been a little ambigous in the past on my views but I have 
>the Jeff Price condensed view on abortion here today and will post.
>
>1. A fetus is a human being were as life begins at conception...you
>   can't prove otherwise so it must be true.

Well I certainly wouldn't claim the conceptus was a cat, or a frog, so ok.

>
>2. A person has a right to do whatever they wish so long as they don't
>   infringe upon another person...now the baby is using the body of the
>   mother we can say it may be removed...BUT...this will result in the
>   death of the fetus. So the lesser of the 2 evils must be followed and
>   the life of the fetus is more imp. than the choice of the mother...in
>   the event of life threating situation both lives are equal and it is 
>   then a personal choice.

You went from "human being" to "person" awfully quickly there.

Your use of the term "baby" is pure emotionalism.

A strict reading of your first sentance "A person has a right to do..."
would require an abortion, as the z/e/f is infringing upon another person.


Your "So the lesser of the 2 evils" is the standard pro-life arguement which
means you support forced blood and organ donation.

All pregnancies are "life threatening".

>   BTW (correct if wrong) almost all forms of abortion do not remove the 
>   fetus but they kill the fetus. If you just seek removal how can you
>   justify killing first then removing? 

(Correct me if I'm wrong, ok, folks?)  In the vast majority of abortions,
the fetus is killed _during_ the abortion, as that is safest for the woman.

>
>3. Conclusion...abortion by todays standards is murder and must seen as
>   such with the penalty required by law imposed on both the doctor and
>   mother expect in above said case of life threatening.

Conclusion based on unsupported facts and must be thrown out.  A strict
reading of your basis shows that abortion must be mandated in all cases
where the woman does not explicity agree to carry after she finds out she
is pregnant.

>4. I am officially anti-abortion...I seek the end to abortion on demand
>   as we have it today. Still pro-life...all life must be protected hense
>   my view on abortions, against the dealth penalty, and against destructive
>   military action (ie. Nukes)...Somalia OK because we are trying to save
>   lives even if we do end up killing a few...The same with abortion of course
>   a few women will die perfoming illegal abortions but we will save many more.

How about Kuwait?  WWII?  Bosnia?  When was the last time you donated blood?
Had yourself typed for a kidney donation?  Done any work with the homeless
lately?
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