From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:34:28 GMT
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In <17glukINN3jn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com writes:

> In article <nyikos.714846005@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
> >>>Jimmy Miller writes:
> >>>Sometimes I wonder about Adreinne.
> >So do I.
> 
> I don't know what you two are wondering about.  It should be abundantly clear
> to both of you that I think your insistance at 'informing' women 'adequately'
> is bogus -- merely a ploy to force upon women *your* biases.

  I rather thought we'd already settled this in e-mail.  If you can't handle my
having an opinion and being willing to express it (in appropriate forums),tough
shit.  I do not speak for Peter, but my "ploy" is no ploy.  It's very simple.
No "propaganda", no moralizing, nothing left out or glossed over.  All the
risks, all the costs, and all the avenues.

>  And that I 
> personally don't believe that any women on this planet need your biases 
> foisted upon them.  I believe that *people* make a lot of choices all the
> time based on limited information, because that's what *people* do, and I
> don't support holding pregnant-women-who-don't-want-to-be-pregnant to any
> different artificially high standard than we hold other *people* to.  Get
> it?  Nothing left to 'wonder' about, is there:  quite clear.

  Oh that's clear enough.  I never wondered that you had a "it's okay to only 
look for what you want to hear" attitude.  I was just amazed at how you could
be so smugly proud of it.  I hold everybody to the same very real high stan-
dard.  You just hate it that I cannot be tarred with the "pro-force" brush you 
can use on so many others.  You just hate it that I hate abortion and speak 
out against it.  You just hate it that I will not compromise on the truth, the 
whole truth, and nothing but the truth.  And I "foist" my biases only on those 
who will listen--and that's not really foisting, now is it?

> Well, I've been 'vintage' most-everything today, according to Peter.  
> Including, probably, vintage.talk.abortion.  Nothing new, folks.  Just
> OTHER PEOPLE trying to force their opinions upon women-who-don't-want-it
> thankyouverymuch.  

  No, just you foaming at the mouth that I'm not afraid to say: "I hate abortion
and here's why."  If my persuasion is "forcing" then you have an odd definition.
Especially since I limit myself to those who ask, a public forum, and those
friends who I can say anything to (and them to me).

> The world must really be a very messed up place with those millions upon
> millions of ignorant/misinformed/vulnerable/put-your-favorite-patronizing-
> adjective-here women wandering around so mislead and lost.
> Adrienne Regard

  Don't forget the equally-screwed up men.  And the world *is* a very messed up
place, in case you haven't noticed.

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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