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From: slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt - Data Comm)
Subject: Re: Fleas - effect birds??
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151537.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>This may seem like a strange question for a bird net but I am curious and
>concerned.  This year we seem to be have a bigger problem with fleas than
>before.  Question:  Do fleas get on, effect, bother birds.  Ours do not 
>seem to be effected but as I said I am curious.  If the answer is yes, what
>do you do.  Normal flea spray would be dangerous (I would think).

According to our avian vet birds do not have the same problems with
fleas that furry pets do.  Often lice can be a problem for birds and
of course mites can effect most birds but hits smaller birds more often.

>Any info - suggestions.  THANKS
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>Gallaudet University, Washington, D.C. 

>Bladensburg Volunteer Fire Dept/Rescue Squad.  Phone: (301) 864-4415
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From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Pellets Was Re: Avian vets in Palo Alto, CA
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

for fear of raising old flame wars from the dead. I have to say that I feed
my Macaws Pretty Bird pellets. Basically they would rather starve to death
than eat the bland, colourless Dr. Laflauers (sp?) or any of the other "good"
pellets. They seem to like Pretty birds, and the Vet told me that I *had* to
feed them pellets rather than seed, even pretty bird! So together with regular
fruit discuses (They like to throw fruit as far as it will go!) and an ultra
violet light (The closest thing I could find to the Full spectrum thing) They
look pretty healthy. (touch wood, he says while tapping his forehead).

-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
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From: bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: vet
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:02:42 GMT

Here's another question vis a vis avian vets. Although
Palo Alto is not unbelievably far away, does anyone know
of vets in the Bay Area more in the East Bay? The closer
to Walnut Creek, the better. (This is the California Bay
Area, BTW).
Thanks
Benson
From: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: FOR SALE COCKATOO LESSER
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:45:21 GMT
Reply-To: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Billerica, MA.
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I have for sale a beautiful Lesser-Sulphur Crested Cockatoo that unfortunately
I must sell due to allergies with my new born son.  We got her in March and
since then she's able to say her name and a couple of other words and barks
at you, so I know she is very tameable.  I know if I could keep her she would learn
alot more!  She's a very very affectionate bird.  She loves to be with you 
and many times she goes for rides around town with me with no problem, she loves
the car.

She has been thru a full battery of tests from a very
notable aviary vet in the area, and the doctor has given her a great bill of health.
All receipts are available for the tests.

She has her own cage with a number of accessories to go with her.  

The price will be negotiable and open to a reasonable offer, or if guaranteed
a good home we will be willing to really work something out.

Joe 
Home: 508-970-2422
Work: 508-250-6599

The birds name is Tia'
From: slybz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Avian vets in Palo Alto, CA
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:06:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I know this was just posted recently, but it disappeared before I got a chance
to copy it down, so please be patient! ;)

Can someone recommend a good avian (Amazon) vet in the Palo Alto, CA vicinity? 
I just moved here with my orange-winged amazon.  The bird has never had a
check-up and I thought it would be a good idea since we are finally in an area
which has such things as avian vets!

Thanks for any help,
Tanya Olsen
From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Pellets Was Re: Avian vets in Palo Alto, CA
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.dlcogswe.718316731
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris) writes:

>for fear of raising old flame wars from the dead. I have to say that I feed
>my Macaws Pretty Bird pellets. Basically they would rather starve to death
>than eat the bland, colourless Dr. Laflauers (sp?) or any of the other "good"
>pellets. 

I started feeding my conure Lafeber's pellets about 4 months ago and
(s)he loves them.  I've never figured out if they are good for him,
though.  Are you insinuating they are?  I also feed him the Lafeber's
bird cakes and apples, grapes, crackers, cereal (he loves Kellog's Just
Right), small amounts of ground beef, spaghetti, melon, and whatever
else I can get him to try.  I've found that once he's tried something,
there's a 50% chance that he will like it.  It's just getting him to
realize that what I'm shoving in his face is food that's hard.

-- 
Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"
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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:29:47 GMT

In article <72986@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>Hear! Hear! Huzzah! My cockatoo can hold her own against any macaw on pure
>destructiveness. Whether it's turning my mice into hamsters (computer mice),
>eating phone cords (about once a month, and we WATCH for this), moulding,
>furniture, the house -- There is always this time when we suddenly reailze
>there is great quiet out in the other room, and a mad rush to see what needs
>to be rescued.
>

The guest bathroom in my house has a shower curtain that is 
covered in brightly colored Macaws.  The door into the room
is next to one end of the rod.  The door jamb up at the top,
where it gets near the curtain rod, is completely destroyed
from beak activity (Shiro likes to sit on the curtain rod 
sometimes).  

A guest, in a sort of altered state, once was found in the 
room staring at the destruction and saying things about the 
birds on the shower curtain eating the door jamb.  

Professional help was obtained at once ;-)

Doug
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From: nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD))
Subject: re: What is your birdies favorite type of music?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Oct 1992 15:42 EDT  

Well, my boyfriend had a cockatiel who used to LOVED classical music.
In fact, my boyfriend and his roommate managed to get the tiel
the whistle the first few notes of Bradenburg Concerto's No. 4. I 
don't know who out there have heard this, but it is a very beautiful 
piece.

My current cockatiel doesn't seem to care one way or another about
the type of music that's playing on the radio. However, if I'm
playing the recorder or synthesizer then she squawks along. I haven't 
figured out if she is trying to join me or tell me to stop that 
racket. :)

  Nancy Rabel				nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov 
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  NASA - Lewis Research Center          stamp collector, SF addict
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Pellets Was Re: Avian vets in Palo Alto, CA
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:04:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris) writes:

>I have to say that I feed
>my Macaws Pretty Bird pellets. Basically they would rather starve to death
>than eat the bland, colourless Dr. Laflauers (sp?)

I feed my canaries and cockatiels 100% Lafeber pellet, plus all the treats
and such (you should watch a canary wrestle with a mango seed. The seed
wins). My cockatoo used to get 50% Pretty Bird and 50% Lafeber, until one
day I noticed I was going through a LOT of pellets. It was because she was
very carefully and consciously rooting through her dish to get at the
Lafeber and was throwing out the Pretty Bird to get at it. So she's now on
100% Lafeber, too. By her own choice. 


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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: full spectrum lighting
Date: 30 Sep 1992 10:53:15 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <BvCE0E.HG1@ecf.toronto.edu> grecoj@ecf.toronto.edu (GRECO Gianfranco) writes:
>
>I also heard about this full spectrum lighting.  These are the flourescent 
>bulbs are they not??  Is there a certain place where they are sold or are 
>
Yes, most full-spectrum bulbs are fluorescent.  The place to look for them
is a good lighting store or plant nursery--they aren't in your average
hardware store, so far as I can tell.
 
>Also, are they available in incandescent??

Yes, I just last month got an ad from our local hardware advertising incandes-
cent full-spectrum bulbs.  Cost was $10-15 as I recall, and I don't know
how their efficiency and life compare to fluorescents.  I was surprised they
were available, actually!

As to the advisability of such lighting--yes!!  Our vet and BirdTalk concur--
like humans birds manufacture certain vitamins under the influence of uv
light that is blocked by glass but put out by these full-spectrum lights.
They need the vitamins (C? D?) to absorb calcium.  African Greys, in particular,are prone to calcium deficiency, so full-spectrum lights are a good idea,
esp. if you can't put your birds outside in the sun regularly.

Ruth


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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: The Joys of Large Birdies (was:  Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos))
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:35:16 GMT
Summary: my birdie is better than your birdie....

In article <1992Sep30.040330.5663@access.digex.com> dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey) writes:
->In article <1992Sep28.215711.21467@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue) writes:
->>I've got a question for all those Macaw and Cockatoo owners.
->>[questions deleted]

c'mon peoples, when i asked questions about The Better Birdies 
(back during the time of the mailing list of r.p.b), i received
scads of responses!  this here be my brother asking, and while i 
can sing the praises of angus (my yellow collared macaw) to the
heavens, i will admit to be ever so slightly biased towards macaws.
(completely coincidental, i assure you.  really.  honestly.  truly!)

to be honest, though, when i was looking for another birdie (after
darry ran off with my SO), i was considering a cockatoo, but the
allergy warnings (i'm one of the few peoples who are allergic to oxygen,
sunlight and breathing) kept me away.  is the dust really that bad?

about the rep of destructoBeak (coming soon to a theater near you!
godzilla vs. The Beak of Death!), y'all know about that lovelorn
<ESC> key residing on my keyboard, and Angus' neverEnding Passion
and Desire (TM) for it.  Can you imagine a large macaw beak near
my system?  (Hey!  Get away from that monitor!  Hey!  Not my CPU!
ARRRRRGH!)

What about large macaws and children?  The Mother Tongue used to have
a BlueFronted Amazon, who relished kiddy fingers at all times (that
bird *could* defeat godzilla).  i would think that a large parrot raised
with people and not teased would be gentle...what have been your experiences?

->As to distructiveness, birds are agents of entropy.  It is their
->JOB to take complex things and make them simple, to unplug ethernet
->connectors, clip phone lines,   and otherwise reduce the universe to
                               ^^^

and <ESC> keys!

->its more simple parts.  Didn't you read the manual?

angus ate it before i got hold of it....  :-)
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From: bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: hand fed
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:04:56 GMT

Here's an interesting (I think) question. It's pretty well 
accepted that hand fed cockatoos are quite demanding of
attention. It's also true that wild caught, young birds,
can be tamed but that it takes more time and effort. 
Certainly my cockatiel, which was NOT hand fed, has become
a good pet but he's NOT really friendly to anyone but
my wife and myself. He's not aggressive, but would rather
not be on anyone except us. When hand fed, cockatiels are
much sweeter to everyone. A tentative conclusion: the
more hand feeding that occurs, the more bonded and 
dependent the bird. So if one would like a cockatoo that
isn't so absolutely dependent on people as they 
generally tend to be, do you think it might be optimal
to let the parent birds raise the baby longer than is
now usual? Might this retain the good qualities of the
cockatoo but instill a bit more independence?
BTW, I mix cockatiels and cockatoos together in the above
as both illustrating a point; I'm not confusing the two
types of bird.
Benson
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Joke!  Joke!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:59:06 GMT
Keywords: really!  really!

what do you call a birdie that 
subdues a ferocious birdie toy?




































Last of the Mo' Beakins'!


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From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: A Tale of One Beak
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:25:00 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO



	My husband started dinner one night last week, then went outside.
	Being the chef he is (NOT), about 10 minutes later he heard a
	portable smoke detector go off and went inside to check
	it out. The fries seemed to be done, so he turned off the oven
	and went back outside. A few minutes later, he heard the detector
	go off again. He went inside again, this time wondering what could
	be setting it off. He checked it out, everything was turned off and
	the detector beeping had stopped. A couple seconds later he heard
	our cockatiel, Bart, saying, 'BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP....'

	They learn quick, don't they?










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From: grecoj@ecf.toronto.edu (GRECO Gianfranco)
Subject: Re: full spectrum lighting
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:41:01 GMT


I also heard about this full spectrum lighting.  These are the flourescent 
bulbs are they not??  Is there a certain place where they are sold or are 
they generally available.  ( given that we don't have any flourescent bulbs 
in the house I'm not that familiar with them )  
 
Also, are they available in incandescent??
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From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: The Joys of Large Birdies (was:  Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos))
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:46:41 GMT

Mike Aksmanovic writes:
>I guess the most important thing about amazons (or my amazon) is
>learning to observe their emotions and respecting them. When my bird
>wants to be left alone, she lets me know it in no uncertain terms. On
>the other hand when she feels affectionate, she'll let me know that as
>well. A real Jekyll and Hyde sometimes.

   Left alone?  Not possible!  I can scarcely recall a time when my
   double yellowhead wanted to be left alone.  If I was working or
   relaxing in another room, I could still hear the constant cries of
   "here, Jim, here boy, step up... friend..." even over the stereo.
   Generally, Travis' solo time was punishment for playing rough, or
   because I couldn't stand the little pest anymore  :-)  When we came
   home from vacation, he would positively WELD himself to your body;
   you literally had to scrape his feet off your finger!

   Jim
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: MacGyverisms
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:55:13 GMT
Keywords: birdtalk, not making a bomb out of a bic pen...

folks,

birdtalk used to have a section entitled "Macgyverisms", which 
supposedly had accounts of people using ordinary household items
(like <ESC> keys) for birdie-related purposes.  the following is
my list of macgyverisms - anyone have others?

1.)  my brasierre.  yes i am serious.  no it was not intentional.  yes
	angus discovered it in my laundry basket.  no i was not around at
	the time.  yes he "enhanced" it to "requiring no backclips."  no
	it's not usable any more.  yes i've given it to him as a toy.
	
2.)  shoe racks from alexanders.  when they went out of business, i bought
	4 2x4' shoe racks to construct his cage.  total cost of cage -
	$180.

3.)  tie rack.  makes great place to hang birdie toys.

4.)  buttons on blouses - the fastest beak in the east.  guaranteed
	snip off those unsightly buttons from your blouse right before
	your big presentation or your money back.

5.)  children's swimming pool - it's the seedCatch for my birdie
	cage which i built.  amazingly successful.

more as i think of 'em,


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From: neves@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (NEVES RICHARD K)
Subject: Re: LOOSE DROPPINGS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:01:04 GMT

In article <50740020@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras) writes:
>
>I think green droppings in cockatiels is normal.  Can anyone else
>confirm this?
>
>- Bill G
>

Yeah, ours our *dark green* with a little white (normal i think).
Sometimes (when they are sick) they are a very light green and runny.

Rich
From: hanson@ucs.indiana.edu (Fred D. Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos)
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:02:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucs.hanson.3.717890535
Organization: Indiana University

From what I have read, heard others say, and limited first hand observation
I would conclude that although you can generalize about Cockatoos there is
still significant variation among species (there are 17 I believe) and 
individuals.  I own a hand feed, 8 year old, female Triton which I have had
for 8 months.
...
>Cockatoo (probably a Citron if we>got one) would be VERY demanding of 
attention, very loving and cuddlable for the whole family

  Mine wants to be where there are people but does not demand constant
  attention.  I have her on my lap about one hour each evening.  She loves
  to have her head preened when molting and to be petted.  My wife is not
  comfortable with birds so does not handle her and I have not had her
  around other people very much so she seems a little cautious with
  strangers at present; especially, if she senses they are not use to
  handling birds.  

>create mounds of possibly allergetic powder

  Here I think there's a lot of difference between species.  My Triton does
  not create a lot of powder (and she is healthy, recently avian vet 
  checked).  I do bath her with a plant mister almost every weekend which
  probably helps and vacuum around the cage weekly.

> and chew anything he (or she) could get.

  Yes, as do most parrots large or small.

> Not to mention yell loudly at times.

  She can scream very loud but generally only does this shortly before
  bedtime or when on an outside perch.  In general, she makes less noise
  than my two moustache parakeets.  She talks some and tends to use words
  when around us rather than a lot of squawking.  We encourage the
  talking.  The large Macaws I have been around in pet stores seem a lot
  louder.  And here again, I'm sure some species of Cockatoos (and 
  individuals)  are louder than others.

  Keep us posted on what you decide.

  Fred Hanson / hanson@ucs.indiana.edu 
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