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From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: Microwave info wanted
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:04:35 GMT


In article <l95e5dINN5f6@pollux.usc.edu>, gino@pollux.usc.edu (Gino Cheng) writes...
>Picked up a used micro-wave today (no more waiting for popcorn)...  
>I read from somewhere that it would soon be possible to load 
>wavetables into the beast (software updates).  Does anyone have 
>any info on this?  I'm hoping I can transfer wavetables which are 

No, no, no!  It's not wavetables, it's vegetables.  You can load vegetables
into the microwave, and the resulting effect is a bit like steaming, or boiling
them from the inside out.


Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Well, umm, because it's electrical, sort of, and 
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  electricity is evil, as you know, and besides,
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|  the little jack for the thing that plugs into the
-----------------------   back broke, and I couldn't fix it."
From: A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI control "real" piano
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:35:06 GMT







Subject:      How to emulate real keyboard touch control via MIDI
Keywords:     touch, velocity, dynamics: recommendations?
Newsgroups:   rec.music.synth, rec.music.makers
From:         A.Spiceley@poda.wins.icl.co.uk (Andy)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

In order to practice two piano music by Stravinsky, Bartok and 
Debussy, I hoped to use my MIDI set-up for one piano, rather than have 
to go out and buy a second acoustic piano (and a bigger house!)
But swapping to, practising on, the MIDI set up (ELKA MK88 and EPS16+) 
and attempting matching with the "real" piano, you come face to face 
with the limitations of MIDI control keyboards. Anyone out there care 
to back or argue with the following assessment:

You can only get full dynamic range of the sound generating box 
(whatever it is) through the speed of key depression: to play softly, 
(without reaching for the volume slider!) you have to push the keys 
down slowly.  This is quite different to a grand piano action, where 
rapid passagework can be brought off pianissimo by decreasing the 
depth of key travel.  Assertion: there are no MIDI keyboards which 
respond to depth of key depression and turn it into any sort of 
controller (I'm not talking about after-touch here, since that's not 
really capable of being part of the same action: I want to play fast & 
quiet!)  True?  Do any of the home-organ type integral electronic 
pianos bother with subtleties of this nature?

Does anyone else find this, or has anyone discovered a MIDI weighted 
88note keyboard which you can actually play like a real piano?  I am 
quite happy with the sound from the EPS16 factory-shipped Steinway 
sample, but even with the ELKA's variety of dynamic response and touch 
regulator, I can't get dynamics at speed.

Maybe I just have to reserve MIDI for synthesis work, and get another 
piano?
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: KORG DSS-1 Sampler/Synth/Keyboard
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:30:24 GMT

>I have the following item for sale:
>
>. Korg DSS-1 sampler/synth: Very sexy, matte black, fullest size
keyboard,
>   will include ~80 disks (samples and sounds), TRULY excellent
condition.
>. Hot RED Keyboard Stand, scissor style.
>. Manuals, power cords, sustain/trigger pedal, slack.
>
>Best offer over $600 takes it.
>
>Thanks.
>beowulf@cats.ucsc.edu

If you don't have any luck selling it in the next couple of days,
let me know and I can get you a free classified ad in LOOP,
The Journal of the International Samplers Co-op.

Myles
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Chuckorama)
Subject: Mark Mothersbaugh - What KEYBOARDS did DEVO use in their CLASSIC days?
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:50:45 GMT

Stuff about Mark Mothersbaugh deleted....



Does anyone know what keyboards DEVO used in their classic era ("Freedom of
Choice" - anything including and prior to "Oh NO, IT's DEVO")


		Chuck

-- 
*-----------------------*------------------------------------*
*  The Chuckster        * "Hey, Myrtle. Don't go puttin' yer *
*  chucksi@comm.mot.com *  lips on that thang!"              *
*-----------------------*------------------------------------*
From: ensoniq@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jedsada Sirimongkolkasem)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Cakewalk 4.0 or Pro?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:46:02 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I would like some facts and opinions on Cakewalk 4.0 and Pro. How are they
different?  Would the 4.0 be sufficient if I only need 16 MIDI channels?
Thanks for input.

Jed.
From: ringworm@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Count Ringworm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Synth. stat list
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:03:30 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Cole) writes:

> But there is a print source: the December issue of Keyboard Magazine for the
> last two years has published a "Buyers Guide" listing the stats of synths and
> samplers in side-by-side columns.  The last one also included capsule reviews
> of selected boxes, which in some cases provided useful additional information
> about the sound or features/limitations that may not be apparent in the stats
 
That's basically what I'm looking for.  Thanks for the info.


;--- (Count Ringworm) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: ringworm@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: jeff@svl.cdc.com (Jeff Needham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: Stock Oberheim OB-8 $650
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:07:24 GMT
Distribution: na


Not much to add.  If you need details about the differences
between an OB-Xa and an 8, let me know.  No MIDI support.

Shipping is extra and there is no flight case.
Will hand deliver if in .ba

Selling to finance a turntable (remember, the thing that
plays LPS) upgrade.  


thanks
  jeff
--
We threw the empty frame of reason out the cabin door
As we won't be needing reasons anymore" --- Eno/Cale
| Jeffrey Needham
| Yet Another Oracle Performance Group
| Control Data Systems Inc - Santa Clara, CA - jeff@hawk.svl.cdc.com
From:  (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Studio 3 Input and SMPTE
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:29:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth

Hey kids!  Maybe one you can help me out.

I'm having some difficulty with my Studio 3 MIDI Interface and SMPTE reader
writer.  

My setup:  
Performer 3.63 running on a PowerBook 170, the Studio 3's Printer side is
connected to the PowerBook's modem port.  The PowerBook's printer port and
the Studio 3's modem side are unused.

The Problem:
When I'm recording MIDI while synced up via SMPTE, some notes get delayed. 
Note that they do not get lost, they get through to the Mac about a quarter
of a second late.  This only happens when the Studio 3 is reading SMPTE. 
The sequencer need not be recording at all.  

Other curious info:
If I use the Studio 3 as a SMPTE reader ONLY, and use a different MIDI
interface to input MIDI, everything works fine.

The fact that using a different interface to input MIDI solves the problem
and that notes are delayed, not lost,  leads me to believe that this
problem has nothing to do with the much publicized PowerBook loss of MIDI
bytes problem.  I would have tried this with my Mac II to make sure, but
it's on loan to a friend.  I believe the problem is in the Studio 3.

Any helpful pointers (handles, too) appreciated.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Calling all Spuds (rec.music.devo, anyone?)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.225359.135721@zeus.calpoly.edu>
mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark) writes:
 
>}There's this group- they're called Devo, and they've been around since
>}the mid-70's.
 
Yes and under different guises like "Mechanical Man"
Though most of the members have been playing together since '72
The earliest DEVO was heavily inspired by Kraftwerk which wasn't
releasing in the states until '75. For all practical purposes, I'd say
they started in the mid-late '70s.
 
>}During their extended sojourn into the realms of music, they have
>}created some of the most interesting music in existence, and have
>}given to the world their own personal philosophy.
 
And disturbingly, they made good on their "we will become what we hate"
pledge. Their last couple CDs left me cold.
 
>}Now- would there be any interest in forming rec.music.devo? I'm not
 
Yeah.
 
>}quite sure what to do to begin this process- if someone could either
>}start the process themselves, or tell me what needs to be done, I
>}would be greatly appreciative.
 
Hang out in news.* and you'll find what you need.
 
>}All flames with be cheerfully ignored.
 
>}Josh Brandt
>}--
>}                We weren't stupid enough to be businessmen,
>}            and we weren't pretty enough to be David Bowie.   Devo
>}                                         - mute@wpi.wpi.edu   Joshua Brandt -
 
>Yes by all means start this group!  Devo is well worth its own group.
>I don't know how to start the process but would contribute to the news as much
>as possible.
 
>Calling all Compu-Spuds how do we make this happen?!?
 
>Mark Turner
 
See above.
 
I'd say Devo deserves it's own group as much as Kraftwerk, or many other
bands.
 
Be warned, It's an involved process to create a rec.music.* group.
It requires voting and many administrative things.
 
I'm currently trying to get an alt.music.techno group off the ground;
discussion is going on in alt.config, but it seems the alt.rave folks
are mostly against the idea.
 
The mind boggles.
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: SD-1 Prices
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:54:56 GMT

Hi Folks,

Would you please tell me what the going rate for an SD-1 seems to be in your
area?

Alaska prices are rather inflated for everything from apples to synthesizers
and I'm interested in possibly buying my SD-1 in the lower 48.

Thanks,
Rick Bell
asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.dsp,comp.sys.hp
From: panisset@lightning (Jean-Francois Panisset)
Subject: Re: AUDIO-CD READING ?
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:28:45 GMT

In article <Bt5LB3.GHv@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> eckert@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Toerless Eckert) writes:
>From article <1992Aug17.113234.15909W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, by ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH):
>> In article <1992Aug13.113900@twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov>, xrjdm@twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph D. McMahon) writes:
>> 
>>>The Iris Indigo is currently the only machine which supports direct reading
>>>of the audio data on a standard CD. It also can write audio output direct to
>>>its DAT drive. Otherwise, you're right. You're SOL.
>
>I have been told that the CDrom drive sold with the SGI Indigo really
>can read the audio tracks over the SCSI interface, due to a changed
>firmware in the CDrom drive. Technically speaking this should
>be possible with any CDrom drive given the right firmware.

Yes, the SGI CD-ROM drive can indeed read the audio tracks as data and send
it over the SCSI bus. As far as a simple firmware change being required, I
was told a different story: it seems that the standard encoding method for
audio and data tracks specify different error-correction codes (a good thing).
So it seems that on most drives, the output of the audio ECC circuitry is
only connected to the DAC which drives the headphone output: thus there
is actually no path from the output of the audio ECC circuitry to the SCSI
bus. Does this make any sense?

JF

-- 
Jean-Francois Panisset                    
INET: panisset@mcrcim.mcgill.ca            
      panisset@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
UUCP: ...!mcgill-vision!panisset
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Expanding polyphony
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <9208131636.AA01867@mammoth.Berkeley.EDU>  
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> 
> Since one of your main considerations is piano, try to find a used Kurzweil
> 1000 Px, 1000 Px+, or Pro-1.  I have seen Pxs selling in the $450 range.
> This will extend your polyphony bu 24 voices and give you access to the
> best piano sample playback unit known to man/woman. 

Sorry, but than honor is owned by the JD-800. Take off your Kurz
team jacket for a few minutes and try to be UNBIASED. A few minutes spent
tweaking the JD's piano sound (which is of course easy, because the JD has a 
REAL programming interface :-)) gives a clear, dynamic, expressive piano sound
far superior to any primitive Kurz 12 bit sample player. This is especially
noticeable in the higher ranges. Where the Kurz becomes thin and weak, the
JD's sound is clear. bright and full of harmonics. There is really no  
comparison.

 In addition, the other
> 3 MB of samples in the box are incredible as well.  When taken in its
> totality, the Kurz box makes the Proteus look like the cheap plastic toy

Kinda like how the JD makes the K2000 look like a Casio you'd find at
Kmart ?

> it really is (:-)... just kidding Proteus owners... I like the Proteus, but
> is sound isn't in the same league with the Px for practical things like
> piano, choirs, acoustic bass, trumpet, and synth effects).
> 
> John

Sorry John, I can only stand so much Kurz "Rah Rah Rah" in one week . . .

If you really want a nice 16-bit sample player with 32-note polyphony, go
the O1R/W or O3R/W route.

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

"Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny"       -   F. Zappa
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Samplers -- high end
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:31:27 GMT

> rosensta@ace.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark) writes:

   Which samplers use Standard SIMMs for memory (other than the K2000)?
   I would like to get a sampler, but the 4-8 meg memory limit of most of


Well, the Roland S-750/S-770 do. They need a special daughterboard
for mounting the SIMMs (physically) but I have 4 4MB Mac SIMMs in
it with no problems.

However, the daughterboard might be one of a bad batch where one
soldering didn't "take" and may need some solder and a soldering
iron to sound good. Simple fix once you know what it is.

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject:  All Notes On
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:51:52 GMT


In article <9208201141.AA13889@jupiter.Sun.CSD.unb.ca>,         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA> writes...
>We decided that a new MIDI message was needed:  All Notes On
>Of course this would be implemented as a companion message to All Notes Off,
>and effectiveness would vary dependent on the available polyphony.
>We thought it was a good idea, but are not sure how to present it to the IMA.

I have to support this worthy idea.  It has a fine sense of symetry, which
might put off the IMA, so I have to propose some extensions.  There needs to be
a second byte in the message which is encoded as follows:

1: turn on all voices assigned to this channel at their last pitch
	-- move outwards from C4 by semitones if there is no last pitch?
2: turn on all voices available in this module
	-- similar problem with which pitches, use last?
3: (along with 1 or 2) transmit All-Notes-On through MIDI out.
	-- implementations should provide fallback to sending 128 Note-ons.
	-- implementations should provide fallback to send on each channel.
4: (along with 1, 2, or 3) Select most hideous patch
	-- may need to be user selectable, see "community standards" debate.


Eirikur

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Can I have some more aftertouch on that
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |     snooze-alarm?"
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|  

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Kathy A Graff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI demo
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:32:39 GMT
Distribution: milw
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Announcing:

                      AUGUST DOUBLE CLICK MAIN MEETING

                         Sunday, August 16, 2:00 PM
                           Bolton Hall, Room B46
                                UW-M campus

Double Click is the Macintosh Users Group of Milwaukee. If you use a 
Macintosh computer or are interested in them, please come. These 
meetings open to the general public. You don't have to be a member 
to attend.

AGENDA:

     * Demonstration of shareware and freeware available on 
       Double Click Disk # 80
     * Question and answer session
     * News and announcements
     * Reports from the Special Interest Groups (SIG's)

     * Break and beginners session

     * Main Demonstration:

       Demonstration of MIDI and music notation software and hardware by Paul 
       Foeckler of North Shore Computers.


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August

 5 (Wed) 7:00 PM   Telecommunications   Jim Macak 964-3147

12 (Wed) 7:00 PM   Business apps        Randy Groh 548-0159
                                        rgroh@aol.com

10 (Mon) 7:00 PM   Multi Media          Jim Wamser 774-7336

16 (Sun) 2:00 PM   MAIN MEETING         kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
                   B46 Bolton Hall, UW-M
                   Music and MIDI software and hardware demo

20 (Thur) 7:00 PM  MIDI-Music           Ed Weisensel 672-8868
                                        kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
No Programmers SIG until September
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September

 2 (Wed) 7:00 PM   Telecommunications   Jim Macak 964-3147

 9 (Wed) 7:00 PM   Business apps        Randy Groh 548-0159
                                        rgroh@aol.com

14 (Mon) 7:00 PM   Multi Media          Jim Wamser 774-7336

20 (Sun) 2:00 PM   MAIN MEETING         kgraff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
                   Specially for Beginners
                   B46 Bolton Hall, UW-M

24 (Thur) 7:00 PM  Programmers          Warren Miller 1-284-7169
                                        wleemiller@aol.com
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.dsp,comp.sys.hp
From: sjreeves@eng.auburn.edu (Stan Reeves)
Subject: Re: AUDIO-CD READING ?
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:07:57 GMT

In article <Bt94nC.5zr@emu.com> dana@emu.com (Dana Massie) writes:
>I had a friend tell me that CD companies deliberately 
>left out the ability to read the audio data as a sort of
>copy protect mechanism, but i dismissed this report as 
>paranoid conspiracy theory...

Well, clearly, every CD player has the ability to read a CD, so it can't
be that much of a secret.  One can easily gain access to the digital
data by tapping in to the system as the data enters the DAC.  This data 
can then be used in whatever way you please (speaking of what's possible
here, not necessarily what's legal).  Motorola publishes an applications
note on designing an all-digital stereo equalizer.  It takes the output
from the CD player, massages the data, and then runs the digital data
back out through the CD player's DAC.  Pretty neat, huh?!  (No extra copy
of the data is made, so I can't see why this kind of use would be illegal.)


--
Stan Reeves
Auburn University, Department of Electrical Engineering, Auburn, AL  36849
INTERNET: sjreeves@eng.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
Subject: MIDI Clock -> MTP... No Hap?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:43:05 GMT


	I tried to sync a Wavestation A/D using MIDI clock from an MTP and
it just froze the MTP.  I therefore assume MIDI clock can only be sent from
a standard Mac interface w/ Performer.  Documentation only mentions MTC, so
I figure MOTU feels you shouldn't be using 'old' MIDI clock to sync your
WS or drum machine via an MTP....  use a drum module or a standard interface.
Another death blow to the drum machine....



-- 
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|  Jim Black     |    jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                       |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mikek@neptune.iex.com (Mike Keilhofer)
Subject: Request for JV80 information
Originator: mikek@neptune.iex.com
Organization: iex
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:35:44 GMT


This is hear because of numerous mail failures to uum1.

Mark,

Thanks or the info. One thing I'm still not clear on. Do
the JV80's external PCM cards have complete sounds or just the
waveforms? I've looked at my manual and JV80 and can't see how
you would access another bank of sounds (other than the
M256E). I did find, however, how you specify another sound
group when modifying an existing sound patch.

Do you do any recording with your JV80? If so maybe we
could exchange tapes. I use a Tascam model 38 and write
a lot of rock tunes.

Thanks again for the info.

==================================================
Michael Keilhofer          
Email: [uunet!]iex!mikek or mikek@iex.com
==================================================


From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:02 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Help! Need file from ucsd!
Message-ID: <27300046@trsvax>
Nf-ID: #N:trsvax:27300046:000:329
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Aug 19 09:02:00 1992


Help! I recently lost my ftp gateway, and I need the file CANVAS.zip from
ucsd. Can somebody send it to be via floppy?? I will gladly pay for any
mail/media costs.
Paul Schreiber
Tandy R&D
200 Taylor st #6244
Ft Worth, TX 76102
(817)878-6567

aslo...do they have access via modem (ie non-Internet, I now have UUCP
access only).