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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:44:33 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bxo9C0.5J1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
> >			gln
> > 
> Who did Arizona lose to other than Miami?
> Who are some of their stars? All I here is that they have a great defense.
> Are they young or soon to graduate?
> >


 Arizona started a season in which it was hoped that they  *might* a
winning record, going 1-2-1. The tie was to OSU, the two losses were
to Washington St. and Miami. Until the 1 point loss to Miami, Arizona 
was dealing with very young, inexperienced players. Two of their
offensive lineman had never played a down in college ball at their positions
and it showed. The defense seemed to take off after the Miami game and
became almost impossible to rush on. I won't run through the opponents
rushing results per game but it is quite impressive for the Arizona 
defense. What has been lost in this group however is Arizona's offensive
ability to run big time off the clock and keep the defense rested.
The cats almost always manage to dominate the play clock now and with
some great running backs who always seem to manage a first down when it
is needed and a special teams unit that has been fantastic with punts
the cats defense is frequently on the field deep in the opponents end.

 The cats are a very young team. The offensive line will be together for
another couple of years at least and the defense is also made up of
mostly underclassmen. They do however lose George Malhalulu (sp?) their
senior quarterback. Although he does not pass particularly well, George
is one of the toughest quarterbacks in college football. He can take hits
that send many other pac-10 QBs to the sideline and he has been a key
in calming a young offense down to the point that they rarely turn
the ball over and frequently manage a key drive (as we saw in the 
Washington game) which allows the cats to run big time off the clock late
and put the points on the board which gives the necessary cushion.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:54:42 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:23:13 GMT

In <1992Nov9.182008.12294@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
}} 
}} e.g., Duke vs. UNC for "Victory Bell", the (already played)
}} Old Oaken Bucket, the Apple Cup, etc...

The Old Oaken Bucket has not been played for yet, unless there are two
of them.  It's the trophy for the game between IU and Purdue, which is
the last game of season.

Perhaps you were thinking of Minnesota and Michigan and the Little
Brown Jug?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.150126.27408@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>
>One thing you guys are not thinking about: Sure CU WILL get better, I do not
>doubt that. But what you are not considering is that Frazier is a frosh, Jones
>and Brown are Sohp's and the Huskers just keep bringing out new generations of
>lineman generation after generation. Nebraska is going to get better also,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A RB or QB is only as good as the off. line. CU's problems this year start and
end with them.. that won't be the case next year though, esp considering there
is only one senior in the whole group.

>especially WHEN the tone up the passing game with "Smokin" Tommy Frazier.

As I said before the game, it wasn't Nebraskas passing game that got CU...
Also, if CU retains it's  present offensive scheme, they will be very good
in pass defense (they will need that next year against Miami)

>Sooooo, while next year will be a much better game you have no sure thing.

Just one.. there will be 53,000 fans who will scream at every Nebraska snap.
Believe it or not, that won't be any fun for Frazier & co.

>
>Huskers are BACK !!!

I have to agree, eventhough I don't like it a wee bit... 
Well, evey once in a while, sun shines EVEN in NEBRASKA!

>Husker Henderson

Njan
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From: zcjm0f@nvplota.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Rice vs. Baylor (was: Re: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0)
Keywords: nn
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:23:11 GMT


>Baylor plays on turf...  and I bet you don't run very fast in a quagmire
>either.

That'll teach me to type fast...  turf = *turf... as in artificial surface.
>
>
>>
>>--
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>
>cmuck
>
>=======================================================================
>Aggie winning streak ------>   9   and counting
>=======================================================================


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From: steph@perseus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Illinois all the way, Bay-bee!! (was, Bowl Game for MSU?) 
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:08:35 GMT

In <Bxo1F0.5F5@cs.uiuc.edu> dames@cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames) writes:

>kevins@netcom.com (Kevin Schraith) writes:

[...]

>>And there you have it ... Illinois goes to the Citrus Bowl again.  And they
>>will certainly deserve it.  Remember, 5-3 is impressive for a 2nd-place team
>>in the big 10!

>although the second place team in the big 10 goes to the holiday bowl.  hell,
>at least we'd have a shot at winning that one.

Correction -- the 3rd place team goes to the Holiday bowl, unless the HB
folks decided they didn't want a 6-5 team.  The Illini shouldn't sneer at
the holiday, either.  $1.5 million is more than they are likely to get
elsewhere.

Could they win the holiday bowl?  It's *possible*, since on any given
Saturday, etc.

Possible opponents:

Hawaii -- currently 9-1, and if they go to the Holiday they probably will
still have only one loss.  Hawaii's not as good as their record, and they
have trouble away from home.  On the other hand, both their defense and
their offense are considerably better than the Illini's.

SDSU -- has its moments, but also has some down games.  Illinois could
conceivably catch them napping.  But this would be a home game for SDSU,
and the Illini defense couldn't stop Faulk or their passing attack.  
If the Illini decide to go with the pass, they could move the ball well
against SDSU, but not enough to win.

Very remote chance:

Fresno State -- solid club, but not overpowering.  Illinois could beat them
if they had a good day, but Fresno has played well recently, and has a
pretty good offense.

BYU -- Illinois could win if BYU coughs the ball up 6 or more times.  Other-
wise, no chance.  BYU's playing quite well recently, and has played better
than the Illini on any given Saturday.  The Illini haven't stopped the pass
all year, and I don't think they could do it against Hancock.  While the BYU
defense is no great shakes, they do well against mediocre offenses like 
Illinois.

Illinois could win the Holiday Bowl -- but it's highly unlikely.  If the 
Illini were in the WAC this year they would finish behind all four of
those teams.

[...]
-- 
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   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: qbs, kent graham
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:56:31 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Former Ohio State Quarterback Kent Graham now plays for the NY Giants
and is only one Jeff Hostetler injury away from being their starter.


Not only would that give the Giants the worst starting QB in the NFL, but
most top college teams would have a better signal caller than NY!!!

If Graham had another year of college eligibility, he probably
would not even be starting for the Buckeyes, having been benched in
favor of Herbstreit late last season.

Looking at last week's AP Top 25, the following schools definately
have more reliable QBs than Kent Graham.

1)  Washington
2)  Miami
3)  Michigan
4)  Notre Dame
5)  Boston College
6)  Southern Cal
7)  Florida
8)  Georgia
9)  N. Carolina State
10) Stanford
11) Washington State

These teams probably do

1) Alabama
2) Syracuse
3) Kansas
4) Colorado
5) Texas
6) Ohio State
7) Tennessee

And the other seven clubs could probably argue that they have a better
QB as well.
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Some comments
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:18:25 GMT

sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager) writes:

>I've already explained this above.  You might disagree with me about the
>importance of home field.  All I can say then is, we can agree to disagree.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      I agree with that.

>Yep, it certainly is possible.  I'd love to see the two teams play at the
>end of the season at a neutral site.

>You and Justin seem to think I have something against Miami.  That's not true.

      And I accept that.

>Mike Sager

I don't feel there is a way to prove that home field advantage really exists.
If you simply take the percent of games won at home it would be biased 
because so many teams play easy teams at home. (Homecoming etc.)

It seems that the biggest advantage might be crowd noise but most schools
have overcome that by using hand signals. A lot of people claim the 
officials are biased at places like ND but when I was there for the game
in 1990 the Canes lost because ND outplayed them (plus they kicked to the
Rocket :-(  ). I truly think the home field advantage exists in the minds
of some teams and they can overcome that. Arizona certainly did this year
at the OB. They came out swaggering and acted like they owned the place.
(Hell, they almost did ).

Finally, I hope Miami doesn't have to replay their home games at a neutral
site before they can win another MNC. Of course if Florida State somehow
moved up to #2 and Miami stayed #1 we would replay them at a neutral site.

Justin Frederich


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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: ND/PSU--third time's a charm?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:49:31 GMT



In article <1992Nov11.173257.2532@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (D
ebra Sullivan) writes:
>I just cannot see a Paterno team loose a fourth game this season.  They
>are due to win a big one and they are going to be focused on ND.
>I hope the Nittany Lions stomp those green midgets!
>

I just cannot see a Holtz team lose 3 in a row to Penn State, and lose 3 final 
home games in a row.

Should be interesting...
-- 
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: What makes a team #1?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:54:46 GMT

In article <BxH97G.G2C@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)  
writes:
> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
> 
[Intelligent article deleted]
> >danbrown@psych.stanford.edu
> >	
> 
> Wow !  For a psych major from Stanford to make this much sense !!!
>        What's the world coming to ?    ;-) 

Especially one posting from ...miami.edu :)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Illini will be Tough
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:47:31 GMT
Keywords: NCAA, Computer Predictions

bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John) writes:

>Why hasn't any individual or algorithm picked Michigan by gobs and gobs
>over Illinois?  Other games have been predicted to have large margins for this
>week.  Is there something I'm missing out on here?  Is there a logical,
>objective reason in support of Illinois giving Michigan a run for their
>money?  Make my week, I'm an Illini fan.

Maybe they're looking ahead to Ohio State :-)

Sorry John - my paper shows Michigan a 28 1/2 point favorite .
From: dkm2@Ra.MsState.Edu (David K. Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:52:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.dkm2.721432350
Organization: Mississippi State University

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>In article <dkm2.721417677@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:

>   hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop) writes:

>   >No justice, Southern Miss only plays Division I schools and get nada, while the
>   >big boys (Miami,Bama,Mich) get to play some divison II schools and coast in the
>   >standings.

>   I completely agree.  We came from behind and beat Memphis State AT Memphis

>If you guys agree, then perhaps one of you could provide some information to
>support the (maimi,bama,mich) contention.  I didn't think so.  


Well, I can clear that up.  Miami WILL win the national championship.  Every
school has "easy" teams on their schedule, but when it comes to guts, the
canes have stood through it all.

David

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:12:29 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.022934.8935@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
>
>No flames here.  At least one Miami player admitted that the
>'Canes had been outplayed.  But more importantly, consider
>that Joe Paterno, after watching the UA-Miami films, warned
>that the game was close because Arizona is such a good team
>He predicted that Arizona would be a big problem for PAC-10
>opponents.  Smart man.  Too bad there aren't more like him,
>especially on r.s.f.c.

Hey, what about me???  I predicted Arizona would beat Washington about 2 or 
3 weeks ago.  I took tons of abuse for it as well.  A lot has been said about
Miami playing and beating Arizona, FSU, and PSU in three consecutive weeks.
All three teams are top 25 and are/were top 10.  However, Arizona has had a
similar, if not worse, fate...  Playing AT Miami, UCLA, AT Stanford, 
AT California in consecutive games, and throw in WSU and Washington in that
8 game stretch (with games AT Oregon State and vs. NMSU in between), and you
are looking at a very tough road.  

-- 
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:39:46 GMT
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>In article <skipb.721191476@cwis>, skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>>So I'm rooting for Bama and A&M to get upset so we can play Miami again and
>>see in a reversal of the 1983 OB game. I now believe we can beat Miami in
>>Miami. Anyway, I'd like to have the chance to prove it. C'mon Florida and
>>Texas, help us out! :-)
>>
>You're a fool, Skip.  If the OrangeBowl were a neutral site, then
>having anyone there would be fine.  But that is Miami's homefield.
>Why not just have the OrangeBowl played in Lincoln?  I still think
>that all bowls should be played on a neutral field.
>--
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>(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
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Scott, the Miami team has won 79 of their last 83 regular season games.
Sure the movable goal posts they had installed a few years ago help
but with only 4 regular season losses in the last 7 1/2 years it really
doesn't matter where they play. I'm sorry if stating Miami's record
sounds like arrogance :-( but the numbers are correct .


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From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Trouble at Huskyville
Keywords: You misunderstood. 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.084026.1583@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>>
>> [My previous stuff deleted]
>
>
>Whoa, hang on my friend.  You misunderstood.  I was making
>fun of the *newscast* on channel 11.  Go back and read my post;    
>you'll notice that the ':-D' came immediately after the poll
>question that was asked by that wonderful KSTW crew, NOT after
>ANY mention of suspensions or sanctions.  I made sure of that.  The laugh
>was directed at them capping off their coverage with a 1-900 poll of
>all things.  (BTW, Rod Simons' nightly sportscast is about the worst one 

Okay...  I won't have a coronary now...  :)

>around).  I even opened with a comment on how they devoted a *quarter* of 
>their news hour to the incident, not including the main sports
>segment later on.  I'll admit that my last statement about possible
>sanctions was getting ahead of things a bit, but I did not 'jubilate'
>after it.  Believe me, I don't celebrate ANY other team's suspensions
>or sanctions, and I certainly didn't mean for it to come across that
>way.  Besides, we Cougar fans *want* you guys to be at your best when
>we beat you. :-)

You just woofed WSU out of any chance that they might have had at beating the
UW.  All we need now is for Lee Corso to pick WSU to upset the UW (he probably
will :)

>Jim
>Go Cougs, Vikings, Northstars (now atop the Norris!)
>

-Behzad
GO DAWGS!!
Play Arizona TOUGH!!
From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Re: Some comments
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:11:51 GMT

In article <BxH49p.EKq@encore.com>, jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov8.075544.28678@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager) writes:
> >>
> >>Washington loses in Arizona.  Why should Miami be ranked ahead of Washington
> >>just because they were fortunate enough tp play Arizona in Miami?  If the
> >>home fields were reversed, we very possibly would have had opposite results.
> >>
> 
> >One possible reason:  The pollsters are stupid and don't care much.  I still
> >think that Miami would lost if the game is played at Arizona.  You're damn
> >right!
> 
> >>Next issue.  Why isn't Florida State being given more credit?  Their only
> >>loss came in Miami by a slim margin.  They have road wins at Clemson, NC
> >>State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia which I think is pretty impressive.  Yet
> >>no one mentions them as a possible national champion.
> 
> >One again, the possible reason is tha the pollsters are blind.
> 
> >>
> >>Then we have Alabama, Michigan, and Texas A&M being considered as possible
> >>champions just because they're undefeated (except for Michigan's tie).  Would
> >>these teams be undefeated if they had Washington or Florida St's schedule?
> >>
> 
> >Frankly, NO.  (Alabama may be able to beat both with a slim chance.  Texas
> >A&M have virtually no chance.  Michigan would got blow-out by FSU again.)
> 
> >>
> >>I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think the rankings reflect the
> >>true ordering of teams in terms of strength.  It's all a matter of timing
> >>and circumstance.
> >>
> 
> >What makes a college football team a MNC is not primarily based on how good a
> >team is, but how lucky it is.  Like Miami.  The Canes is damn tough, but I
> >still don't think it is the best team in the nation this year.
> 
> >Unfortunately, most pollsters are blind, so we have to live with this mess
> >until a playoff system is made.
> 
> >- Louis
> 
> I love your logic(?). Miami beats Arizona at Miami. Arizona beats Wash U
> at Arizona - so Michigan should be #1 *OR* the pollsters are blind .

And where did anyone say that Michigan should be #1?  Sorry to everyone
else for including so much previous text, but I thought it was necessary
so that Justin could show us how he came to this conclusion.

> Justin Frederich

Mike Sager