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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quilt
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:06:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.050656.9682
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

This is completely off-topic to Rob and what we do in honor of Rob, but
if, God forbid, I should ever find myself in a situation (6 feet under
or in an urn) where a quilt panel might be a suitable memorial for me,
I swear to haunt the person who suggested it and all those who worked
on it, and make for them a living hell for the duration.  Especially if
it has a teddy-bear sewn on it.

On the other hand, donations to a suitable charity and a performance of
the Durufle _Requiem_ in my honor will be much appreciated.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:34:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



(me)
> Funny; the ostracism for the original poster ("Too straight looking
> to be gay") pretty much makes a liar out of you, Al.

(msp)
/I thought the fellow who was "too straight looking to be gay" had a hard 
/time finding a date because he was an arrogant bastard.  He certainly had 
/an awfully high opinion of how handsome and masc.-looking he was, which 
/had the further effect of making it harder for him to understand why he 
/kept getting rejected.  Having observed this facet of his personality, I 
/find it unnecessary to construct a conspiracy theory.



Hmmm.  Well, let me see . . .

A few posts ago, Alan Williams mentioned that he gave his lover the
"heave-ho", partially because the guy always critized Alan for being
"straight-acting".  Alan doesn't strike me as vain, or superficial;
but I would suspect that his ex-lover may have thought he was, simply
because he was straight acting.

I have had the same criticism, and many of my friends have had the same 
charges levelled against them.  I have seen "less butch" (or whatever
term you want to use) gay men give the straight-acting ones a ration
of shit, for what appeared to me to be jealousy.  The less-butch gay
men seemed to believe that the straight-acting ones were putting on
an act because they didn't want to be associated with the "less-butch"
gays.  Truth is, the straight-acting ones were just being natural.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:27:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug20.185004.9890@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>You say you take responsibility for your actions, and then
>fail to acknowledge how your actions can impact others.

Have you considered the obvious ways this statement applies
to you?

>Until you get off your ass and either put up or shut up
>about what I wrote, you'd better hang onto the "coward"
>logo.  As someone who can't look truth in the eye, it somehow
>fits you better.

You're none too impressive about looking truth in the eye
yourself.  You're wasting your time, my time, and I believe
everyone else's time.  You are accomplishing zero.  Now those
all happen to be truths.  You can face them or not.  I'd
be very surprised is 7 out of the 70,000 readers of this
newsgroup care in the slightest whether you do or don't.

But it is obvious that you are suffering under a number of
serious delusions about yourself and your mission in life.
In popular parlance, you are mentally ill.  That too is a
truth you appear unwilling to face, which I suppose is what
puts you in our midst in your particuarly unpleasant way.

You really have no business to be referring to anyone else's
cowardice, when your own is so manifestly obvious.  Please
just go away and get the help you so badly need.

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:57:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l8ualaINNl84@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) 
writes:
>
>I spent the better part of the afternoon on the phone with Jack
>Hamilton (hi Jack!),

On his nickel, I'm happy to say, although I did run up a few calls to the
answering machine. 

>Jack observed that my voice reminds him of someone else's, but he
>can't quite place who that might be.  I replied that I certainly
>don't have any idea, and besides, I hate the sound of my voice. I
>mentioned having found a tape of myself recorded when I was 10 or
>11 and being struck by what a faggotty voice I had even that early.
>Why is it that I think that's a bad thing?  For it's clear that 
>somewhere deep down inside I *do* think it's a bad thing.  In fact,
>if there's one thing I could change about myself, I think it would
>be my voice.  

I wonder how common this feeling is.  I've certainly heard the same
sentiment expressed by other people. 

For what it's worth, I think Arne has a quite pleasant voice, and I
wouldn't recommend that he change it. 

>Yes, yes, I realize that I could go to a vocal
>coach and work on it if I really wanted to change it that badly, 
>but the mere fact that it sometimes occurs to me that I would
>want to change it is worrisome.  But then if I were to change
>the sound of my voice, I'd want to sound like John Kerr (the
>dreamboat in the movie version of South Pacific), which is to
>say faggotty but deep (sort of a male version of Joan Greenwood's
>voice).

Unfortunately, making your voice deeper is very difficult.  I've heard that
it's very hard on the vocal chords, much harder than raising it. 

I'd like to get my southern accent back.

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: UNGAY GAY
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:45:48 GMT

georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>) georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>) > My one question now is: what's HWP?  The phrase turns up
>) > in a lot of the ads.
>)
>) Happy When Porked?
>) Hot Wax Pig?
>) Handy With Pliers?
>) Habitually Whining Princess?

>Height-Weight Proportionate.  Now I know why there were no ads
>that said "no fats."

*** A crowded restaurant. ANDY, a thin man with large hair, and
GIL, robust and bearish, have just been seated; they met through
a personals ad placed by ANDY. He looks bothered.

ANDY:	So, what did you think of my ad?

GIL:	I thought it was quite nice. Looks like you described
	yourself pretty thoroughly.

ANDY:	(smiles thinly) Thanks. (pointedly) I tried to be truthful.

GIL:	You look about like I expected. (coyly) So, do I look any-
	thing like what you were asking for?

ANDY:	(pauses) You look okay, I guess.

GIL:	Is something bothering you?

ANDY:	Not at all (eyes flitting about the room)...

(pause. GIL takes something from his coat pocket)

GIL:	I brought something for you...

(holds out a small package, carefully wrapped)

ANDY:	Oh really?

(ANDY takes the package and unwraps it carelessly. Inside is a
small yellow bear)

ANDY:	How cute.

GIL:	I knew you'd like it!!!

ANDY:	(rolling eyes) How?

GIL:	Your ad. (getting a little excited) (recites from memory)
	'GWM, interested in sweaters, Retin-A, and storage space,
	looking for same, 18-30, tall, masc, uncut, *HWP*'. Oh,
	Andy! (by now quite obviously delirious with passion) I
	thought I was the only one! I've spent years alone, insanely
	jealous of Christopher Robin and weeping for someone to join
	me in a bit o' Hunny. Oh, Andy, will you be my Tigger?

ANDY:	Oh! (clutches bear to chest)

GIL:	Good idea, you hold him down! (starts *Hitting *Winnie the
	*Pooh with pent-up desire) Oh, I so love being top!!!

(ANDY flees; GIL bows gracefully to the other diners before exiting)

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: be kind to small furry animals
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.083946.8377@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>PETA then read this, completely out of context, and said "oh my god
>here is this guy advocating the abuse of small furry animals and we
>have to stop him now". They sent a letter to the President of Reed
>College, enclosing my posting, and asking that the college prosecute
>me for violating various laws involving advocacy of animal abuse.
>
>The President of Reed College read the letter and passed it off to the
>Dean of Student Services who realized that I wasn't a student then and
>passed it to my boss who asked me.
>
>It gets better. Things were settled quickly at Reed - no one here
>thought I was serious. (I hope - I wonder if our President thinks I'm
>a bigger pervert than I already am?) But not for PETA, no. They wanted
>to make sure I was *punished*.
>
>So I got to spend the next few weeks negotiating with this guy from
>PETA. He was fairly nice, but I ended up not being very impressed with
>their integrity. These people got an anonymous complaint from someone
>about something I allegedly wrote, and took it so seriously as to
>immediately ask the college to prosecute me? I wonder if the term
>"irresponsible PC facists" actually has meaning.

two adolescent urges are welling up within me (no, not THAT urge):
 1) every couple months send a different outlandish forgery from fake users at
    real sites to PETA.
    (of course the forgery would need to posted to provided "proof" hahahaha)
    after a while they will totally kill off any credibility they may
    have left if they react the same way to each "anonymous tip"

 2) forge something from Cretin ***mer and send it to PETA.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: sweaty sex
Summary: yes
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:29:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug19.212910.28321
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.

in article <l958abINN6r8@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
(a grand motss faggot) writes, about (of course) the movies:

 >The sweat scenes always make me laugh.  Are they having sex
 >in a sauna?  Do any of *you* work up a lather like that?
 >(I imagine Arnold is going to jump in and say yes.)

yes, he is.  yes, yes, yes.  so does jacques.  so does dino-dean.
we all love the way it feels, the way it looks, and ohyesohyesohyes
the way it smells.  i'm getting aroused just *typing* this.

and i have in fact had sex in saunas in many cities, in at least
three countries.  though i usually prefer steam rooms.  all
that warm wetness.  in fact, just two saturdays ago,...

arnold (teasing, but serious about sweat; he even enjoys
          the smell of his own sweat, soaking his shirt and
          shorts and socks and matting his hair, when he
          works out)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:34:58 GMT

In <1992Aug17.160718.20749@walter.bellcore.com> tam@mobydick.base.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel ) writes:

>The Record ( Northern NJ morning paper ) reports today that Tom "Politics
>of Inclusion" Kean put a stop to attempts to have NJ delegates challenge
>the Republican platform.  Far from leading the fight,  he is working to
>silence the predominately pro-choice NJ delegation and enforce party
>discipline.

Tom Kean is a weenie.  (I believe I've said that to his face, at least
once; so I don't have any problems saying it here).

Tom (not Kean)
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From: gwb@crosfield.co.uk (George Battrick)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: e-quilt?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:13:07 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

Between the names in the FAQ and the 5MB in the FTP archive, I
wondered about the possibility of an e-quilt.

The panels would, of course, be 80 characters wide by 24 lines deep,
and you could do any combination of text (up to 1920 char should allow
the most memorable extract(s) from the postings of...), or "ASCII
graphics" if you wish.  If they had a memorable .sig, that could go at
the bottom.

Just a thought.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soi-disant thangs (was Re: New queer terminology)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:34:11 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <letspretend@vadier.gr.osf.org>
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>It seems I post nothing to soc.motss nowadays except
>pedantic followups.  

Your destiny, perhaps?

>I think I need to either get a life or find something more
>interesting to write about.

It all comes down to taking a hike, reading a book, or
getting laid.  I prefer suitable combinations in
suitable sequences.

>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug17.111304.22241@macc.wisc.edu>
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>As to "thang," I use that word exclusively to refer to the
>>>male member (le membre soi-disant virile :-), rather than in
>>>a more general sense as you just did.

>>Soi-disant?  Shame on you, Jess, unless your 'thang' is
>>capable of self-definition, in which case I embrace it
>>wholeheartedly.

>Indeed, I think "pretendu" is better than "soi-disant"
>unless you have a talking penis.

All I can say, honey, is it talks to me!  And I've heard
tell it talks to others behind my back!

But I would object to pr'etendu simply because of the
deceptive cognate.  Je ne pr'etends rien pour la verge,
mais je l'aime tant.

>But in any case I have a notion that the whole construction
>is doomed to failure because you just can't put it like
>that.  Luckily, the inimitable Frederic Maffray reads all my
>posts here since he knows I will ask him about them; and as
>he is a True Frenchie he can dispense a definitive opionon.

My dictionary does give "le soi-disant docteur" for "the
so-called doctor." But it gives "pr'etendus progre`s" for
"so-called improvements."  

Give cher Fred a giant bise from me, it was his birthday
yesterday.

>(At least I managed to get through the entire post without
>mentioning that "virile" should be "viril".)

Not quite *all* the way through, but one might say you
tried virilement.

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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Conv
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:20:40 GMT

In <16ojtnINNt8i@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:

>Tom makes predictions about the convention.  At quick scan, I suspect none of
>them will come to pass.  Shall we begin placing bets?

Oh!  Oh!  I'm crushed! :-)

(sheesh, at least give it some time before you pan it!)

Tom
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: the sorrow of the earth
Keywords: mahler, Lied, Leid
Organization: very little at the moment
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:57:28 GMT

a little pedantry with a purpose...

the mahler song cycle is entitled "Das Lied von der Erde"
(`the song of the earth'), not as jack carroll typed it,
"Das Leid von der Erde" - but this version, though inaccurate,
is entirely appropriate in the context of postings about
rob's death; it means `the sorrow of the earth'.

arnold (who, es tut ihm leid, is always inclined to giggle at
         the title "Des Knabens Wunderhorn", wondering just *how*
         marvelous the boy's horn is)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:23:47 GMT


In article <l958vnINN72d@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.173243.21333@macc.wisc.edu> 
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> How about kindly queens of the worst viciousness?

>You rang?

Please.  True viciousness.  But we'll keep your application
on file.

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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Presumption
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:12:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Aug12.155727.9941@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <4443@news.duke.edu>, John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>> I agree with Romanovsky and Phillips who I quote here from
>>their song, "Give me a homosexual"
>> 
>> "How straight can they be when they're down on their knees!"
>
>Then you're really no better than the homo-haters who
>identify gay people solely on the basis of our sexual
>practices.

	You're both taking the quote out of context.
	This is unfair to the songwriters, who were talking
	about gay men claiming to be "straight-acting" --
	reminding me of another thread I just barged into.

	Although I tend to agree more with Melinda (and Jess)
	on this topic, I think *everyone*'s overstating the
	issues.  We're talking about labels -- as we so often
	do -- and labels are *always* going to be imprecise.
	Words are always imprecise, compared to reality ...
	especially the reality of people's behavior.

	I wouldn't say arguing about meanings is a waste of
	time -- meanings are crucial to a writer.  And we're
	all writers in this group, and one of a writer's duties
	is to be as precise *as* *possible*, but it can be
	overdone.

	-R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 08:18:19 GMT


In article <1992Aug23.030201.17351@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>In article <1992Aug22.005224.24183@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>But Sargon the Butch is
>>*quite* a lot dumber than your average pig.

>But I'm still ahead of you, Anderson.  

You must be one o' those Reagan Republicans: running
full-speed into the past, too dumb to know you're stuck in
reverse.

>Getting too cold under that rock, Melinda?
>You're not worth the effort.

(Note to clinicians: the ButchUnit is losing his cool now,
 starting to evince more and more self-loathing in every
 posting.)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty postings
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:35:24 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <l8l6l5INNp24@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>Whether or not you are speaking for the company you are in fact being
>a visible part of that company, an association that exists regardles
>of what you disclaim.
>
>Would most *companies* disagree with the letterhead analogy?  I doubt
>it.

We don't have an *official* policy regarding usenet postings.  If we were,
I would probably have a lot to do with implementing it since I am a usenet
user and a partner in the firm.

I would have to say that a usenet post does not carry the same weight
as using the company letterhead, but it's not all-disclaimer either.
We are not in the usenet business and the company really doesn't 
benefit much from usenet except for the occasional technical newsgroup
posting (in which case it's quite valuable).  Therefore, usenet is there 
for fun at the company's discretion and does not relate to anybody's right 
to free speech.  If somebody wants easy rules to live by, they're a
fool.  I don't think it's too hard to decide what's inappropriate for
the company usenet site.  When in doubt, don't post.  I do believe that
a warning is proper prior to dismissal.  The guy at Sun was warned and 
I can't help but feel he *knew* his posts were intended to offend.

It someone happens to work for a homophobic employer and is warned not
to make posts affirming homosexual people, they would do well to heed the 
warning for better or worse.

Whatever way the wind blows.

-- 
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Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: St. Cole Porter (was Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?)
Date: 13 Aug 1992 04:05:35 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <l8iqgfINNld@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>*Fabulous* song, isn't it?  (It should "Down in the Depths on
>the 90th Floor".)
>
>"Here I sit above the town in my pet pailletted gown"

Oh dear ... my ears always interpreted that as "ventilated gown" and
assumed it was supposed to be a cute way to describe a revealing outfit.
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