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From: ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu (Patrick A. Townson)
Subject: Did Tokyo 'Almost' Have a Core Meltdown?
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:37:36 GMT


News on the radio is that the Tokyo (Japan) Electric Company 'almost'
had a core meltdown on Wednesday when three pumps failed in a nuclear
station. The news report says it was 'narrowly averted' when the
plant personnel put emergency measures into effect.

Any comments or confirmation?  Anyone?


Patrick Townson
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.feminism
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Sexy Clothing, Sexy Pictures, and Rape.
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:34:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.feminism

Michal Leah Peri writes:

> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
> >This whole discussion seems silly to me.  Any clothing can be sexy to
> >someone.  For example, those spandex shorts bikers wear.  Now, I
> >happen to find them incredibly sexy, and tend to ogle bikers at
> >traffic lights.  Should a biker (wearing shorts that are for biking)
> >be required to worry about my libido as s/he is biking?
> 
> Besides, the whole concept of "I couldn't help myself, she was wearing 
> tight clothes" is pretty demeaning to *men*.  Are they seriously trying
> to gain sympathy from claiming to be all id and have no control over
> their own penises?

It seems to work for the anti-pornography crusade, who seems to feel that
men can't control themselves when they see sexy pictures.  [Not that I think
they're right either.]  But there is an interesting difference in how the
two (sexy pictures/sexy clothes) are treated nowdays.  One doesn't see much
of the following line of argument:

/* set parody on */

Banning sexy clothes may not have that great an impact on rape, but- if
banning sexy clothes stops even *one* rape, isn't it worth it?
Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Organization: NDA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:39:05 GMT


Chicago politics can be depressing, but urban America has to be understood
in the context of suburban votes outweighing urban ones.

In other words, politicians expect poor urban areas to vote solidly
Democratic whatever they do, so they pay more attention to suburban areas
which are more likely to switch between one party and another. And because
of the neglect of the cities and the support of the suburbs, you have good
highways and decaying transit systems and city streets. 

Look up north to see what a three-party system can do. The Toronto Board of
Education (which serves only the City of Toronto, not the suburbs) has a
majority of members from the New Democratic Party, a relatively
well-meaning social-democratic party that currently runs the provincial
government as well. They *like* public participation and democracy, even
though an awful lot of it is directed against their policies.

The New Democratic Party has never formed a government federally in Canada,
but it has advocated a lot of ideas (universal pensions, family
allowances, government student aid, and so on) that have been adopted by
other parties. In Canada, there's a lot wrong with the political process,
but voting *does* make a difference. The parties really do have different
perspectives and different policies. 

So if you can't vote *for* someone in the next election, maybe there's
someone you can vote against.

Or maybe you can move north to Canada, where politics are sufficiently
interesting that votinbg is unambiguously worthwhile.


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Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.feminism
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: statistics & questions
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:06:47 GMT

Jen Kilmer writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct1.212637.7371@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
> >> 
> >
> >Actually, under the traditional arrangement, women get a fairly good 'pay'
> >for what they do.  It just isn't a direct salary.  The man worked, the
> >woman was his partner and shared his lifestyle.  This really does have 
> >advantages for women over a pure capatilistic arrangment, IMO.  A partnership
> >is much more equal than the alternative employer-employee relationship that
> >would otherwise develop (IMO again).
> 
> 
> hmmm...yes, I'm wasting "hundreds if not thousands of dollars"
> to hmmm.   :-)
> 
> As you put it, Bronis, a partnership could have advantages over
> a pure capitalistic arrangement.  What would you think of extending
> this type of arrangement, say, perhaps becoming a househusband if
> you and a partner were in a situation where having a full-time
> parent would be advantageous?  Or, for that matter, a more-than
> -two-adult arrangement (I'm not asking from a sexual orientation
> point of view; I'm thinking about how two or three wage-earners and
> one or two childcare/homemakers might be more efficient).
> 
> -jen

This is drifting a little  from the original point of the post, but I
certainly don't have any objection in principle to such a broadening.

The issue of whether childraisers are fairly compensated under a
capitialistic system is a separate issue (IMO) from whether people who are
comitted to a full-time career earn the same amount of money regardless of
whether they are male or female.  [I suspect women are still a bit behind
men for the same job and hours  and this issue probably needs to be
addressed, but I believe the extent to which women and men earn different
wages for the same job has been generally misrepresented by the media as a
whole and Faludi in particular.]

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: Eric B Karabin <ekarabin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Programming books for sale.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:00:54 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

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	Microsoft C : Secrets, Shortcuts,	$12.00		 $24.95
	and Solutions
	Kris Jamsa
	1989
	Excellent Condition

	Advanced Quick C  2nd Edition		$10.00		 $22.95
	Werner Feibel
	1989
	Excellent Condition

	The Waite Group				$10.00		 $23.95
	Microsoft C Programming for the IBM
	Robert Lafore
	1987
	Excellent Condition

	Systems Programming in Microsoft C	$15.00		 $29.95
	2nd Edition
	Michael J. Young
	1991
	Excellent Condition

	Turbo Pascal 5.5 DiskTutor              $20.00           $39.95
	Werner Feibel
	1990
	Excellent Condition
	Includes Borland's 3 Disk Streamlined Version
	of the Turbo Pascal Compiler.


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        (Only in the USA)


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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: Marching to Zion
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:28:28 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


But I guess what's new about the present time is that coal-fired
plants are being built far from populated areas, where there are
fewer people to oppose them.  What are the economics of putting
the generating plant close to the load and shipping the coal,
versus putting the plant near the coal and shipping the electricity?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: New Game: Find the Thematic Connection
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:24:50 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <MJD.92Oct6103035@saul.cis.upenn.edu> mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Angel of Wheaties") writes:
>In article <60914@mimsy.umd.edu> kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>   Daniel has orders of magnitude more of bodacious
>   babeness than Keanu.  That's why _A Room with a View_ is one of
>   the best movies ever: it has both Daniel Day-Lewis and Julian
>   Sands in it, and we get to see Julian nekkid.
>
>Faggot.


Why, thank you, dearie.



yong-mi
blushes at compliments
From: tpollman@BBN.COM (Terry Pollman)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Apartments for rent
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:11:45 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: tpollman@BBN.COM (Terry Pollman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Two apartments to let:

Apartment #1

	2nd floor
	2 bedroom
	newly renovated
        OFF-street and on-street parking available
	$850/mo utilities not included
	Available November 1st

Apartment #2

	3rd floor
	2 bedroom
	excellent condition
	OFF-street and on-street parking available
	$825/mo utilities not included
	Available December 1st

Both are in the same three-family home, very well maintained, excellent
location, one block from Porter Square "T", Cambridge.

If interested please call Terry Pollman 617-873-2533.
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.feminism
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: statistics and questions
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:02:01 GMT
Followup-To: alt.feminism

Michal Leah Peri writes:

Someone writes:
> >>I gather that one of the critical determinants in women's
> >>income and hierarchical status is time in grade -- or
> >>maybe more accurately, time in job experience generally.
> >>I've seen it repeatedly said that women who have put in
> >>the same time get the same money and the same promotions;
> >>may do a little bit better, in fact.  "Time" refers to
> >>both hours per day and years of employment.  

> I wonder, is there any evidence to show causation?  Can we
> actually say that women get less money because they work less?
> Or is it the other way around -- that because women get paid less
> it is usually they who do less paid work and take on more of the
> unpaid family duties?  Or is it just correlation:  women get paid
> less and work less, but the studies cannot definitively say whether
> one causes (or results from) the other?

And the answer is c).  You can establish correlation, but you can't prove
cause and effect from any statistical study :-(.

However, I would be interested in seeing a scatter-graph of pay vs. hours
worked for both men and women (in the same profession, or in general or
both).  Even though one can't prove cause and effect with statistics, I think
this would be useful information.  For one thing, it would help confirm
the validity of the 'linear' model.  There definitely is a difference
in average hours worked between men & women - one question (depending on
the intent of the experiment, of course - this is more or less from the
fairness/wage gap intent point of view) is how to correct/compensate for it. 
A scattergraph would present the relevant information without imposing a
model on the data in advance.  Unfortunately, I've never seen any data like
this (doesn't mean it isn't out there somewhere).
From: walkerr@banzai.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: How long has it been?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:02:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: banzai.wpi.edu

>>   How long has it been since you were kissed by a member of
>>   the opposite sex?

About 34 hours and 12 minutes, but we both just had some brownies and it was
kinda nasty so I wouldn't count it.  

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Summary: Stuff it.
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Oct6.135939.15469
Followup-To: misc.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <92.10.05.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu
(Patrick Townson) writes:
> Soon it will be the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November
> Hopefully, this year the turn out will be less than ever. Express your
> opinion of the rotten lousy political scene in the United States by
> staying away from the polls entirely next month. I have not voted in
> an election of any sort for almost thirty years (I did vote for Lyndon
> Johnson in 1964) and I am proud of it!  Don't you get caught up in the
> games they play, especially not if you think it really matters either
> way.  People that could make a difference and issues that do matter
> will never make it to any ballot box. 
> 
> DO NOT VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

I don't suppose it ever dawned on you, Patrick, that Chicago--especially
Chicago politics--is not quite like anyplace else in the US.  I lived
in Wisconsin for 13 years before coming to Chicago in 1983.  It was
different--as in boring.  But I digress.

Who you vote for at the national or even state level may not make much
of a difference--I guess it's a matter of personal philosophy--but there
are often local contests (in which any idiot *can* get on the ballot
and often does) and referenda which will have a significant effect on
your community.  And those effects (taxes, schools, libraries, roads,
etc) are what really matter most.  Retreat into your shell if it
pleases you, Patrick--you get the government you deserve.

And btw, your eschewing of jury duty because of the hypothetical
ability of judges to overturn a jury verdict (hey, I suppose it
happens every now and then, but what of it?) is reprehensible.
Juries these days are populated more and more by elderly retirees.
Not exactly ones "peers" (unless you are a retired person).  The
only way to make that system work is by participating.  Shame on you.

               *** ***
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Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: Nico Tranquilli <@>
Subject: Coins and banknotes
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6ED05026E020B1A@mac1.di.unipi.it>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17: 52:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dpt. , University of Pisa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:22:03 GMT

Is there anybody interested in swapping banknotes or coins ?

Nico.
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Software Packaging Costs -- need some insight
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:13:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.044827.12019@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> morris@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Mike Morris) writes:
>examples".  Also I feel that manual writers should take the pre-release
>software, hand it to a novice user, keep their mouths shut and watch the
>user and what problems they have.  It would tell them a lot about the
>weak points of the manual.  Then take an intermediate user and then a
>experienced one.  You might end up with a good manual.

Inc. magazine did a nice write-up about a year ago on the folks who do
Quicken, and they do exactly what you suggest.  They would wait in the
software store for somebody to buy the product (obviously you want to
have a hot-selling item if you do this), then approach them, explain who
they were, and ask if they could follow them home and watch them try to
install it.  I think that they probably refunded the cost of the program
or maybe gave away a freebie.  

The good thing about picking a customer is that this is someone
interested enough in your product to have purchased it.  They're
motivated to want to learn to use the product.  If you grab your Mom or
Uncle Bart as an example of an inexperienced user, they're
inexperienced, all right, but they might not be too good a subject for
you to test.

The other thing to keep in mind is that you might not want to deal with
inexperienced users.  There was an article in MicroCornucopia (sob.
Dead all these years.) about the people who ran a software tools
company.  They had a $100 product and a $500 product.  Turned out that
the $100 product generated 80% of their support calls.  By eliminating
that product, they could concentrate on their real money-maker.

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From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Formal Education in Entrepeneurship
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:10:54 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <REZNIK.92Sep13143407@robios2.me.wisc.edu>, reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S. Reznik) writes:
> 
> Dear members of misc.entrepreneurs:
> 
> In May 93, I will have finished the residence requirements for my
> PhD in Computer Science. From then on, and for 2-3 semesters,
> my only activity will be writing my dissertation.
> However, during that time I would also like to take some classes in
> business/marketing/economics since I plan to eventually start my own
> business. What formal exposure, specifically: classes, do you think is
> appropriate, and in what order ?
> 
> Dan
> 
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu (BJM)
Subject: Business structure
Followup-To: misc.entrepreneurs
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:41:36 GMT

I am about to start a small business where my products will be sold by reps
in other states.  My question, am I a retailer or a distributer?  The reps
will sell the products directly to the consumer. Will I have to consider
tax laws in each state?  Is there a better place to post this?  Please
email responses to me. 
Thanks,
Brennan 
From: mhampsch@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:52:37 GMT
Subject: Re: HELP ,Info needed about Multilevel Marketing
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs

It sounds like AMWAY.  It is a good company but what you put into your oun
business is what you get out.  There is money there to be made.

Mark
From: randyw@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Randy Walker)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Pricing software
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:49:52 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta


 I have been asked by a friend to write software for his small company which
 develops special-purpose processor boards. I will be working as an
 independent contractor.

 How does one determine a price for contract software? I was thinking of
 arranging a payment upon delivery and then a royalty for each unit that they 
 sell. I believe that my friend's company will grow quickly over the next 5 
 years and want to develop a close association with them. I am willing to 
 accept a modest payback now in anticipation of a large payback later.
 
 I am not looking for general discussion. I am looking for actual examples 
 from people who have done contract software.
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: palat@rtsg.mot.com (Mohan Palat, Motorola Inc.)
Subject: Rare Timber (Rosewood) available for import
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:46:34 GMT


	A batch of 150-200 year old rosewood trees are 
	available (cut as per specifications) for import 
	from India. The owner was originally planning to
	export to Japan but wants to see if there is a market
	for this in the US first. This is a one time deal.

	Does anyone provide some leads on where to contact rosewood
	(rare timber) importers/agencies? Rosewood is used for
	expensive/exclusive wood work.

	Thanks in advance.

	Mohan Palat
	uunet!motcid!palat
	OR
	palat@ssd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: morris@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Software Packaging Costs -- need some insight
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:48:27 GMT

anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) writes:

>I'm trying to get an idea for how much it would cost to start up a small
>software company.  My biggest question mark is the cost of "packaging"
>the product.

>Can anyone give my an idea of how much money is involved?  I realize it
>depends on quantity, type of packaging, etc., but right now I'm trying to
>determine the "economy of scale", i.e. what range of price am I looking at?

>I essentially see these costs involved: duplication, documentation printing,
>and physical packaging.

>If anyone could give my an idea as a factor of quantity, quality, etc.,
>or how much it cost you, I would greatly appreciate it.

I think your biggest expense will be customer support of the software.
It tells you something when Word Perfect admits that over 25% of their
employees are handling customer calls.

I've been in small systems since PC meant Altair or Imsai.  My personal
opinion is that an extra 10% spent on the manual would save 25% in the
calls.  As Jerry Pournelle says: "You can almost never have too many
examples".  Also I feel that manual writers should take the pre-release
software, hand it to a novice user, keep their mouths shut and watch the
user and what problems they have.  It would tell them a lot about the
weak points of the manual.  Then take an intermediate user and then a
experienced one.  You might end up with a good manual.

Remember: There's a;ways enough time to do it over....
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