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From: horst@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Horst Hogenkamp)
Subject: Re: the evil beat...
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:59:31 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <1hskqvINNo14@news.aero.org>, sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.090743.13308@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
[...]
> >There are lots of things that 'the devil' uses that aren't intrinsically
> >evil.  I won't banter on, but my point is that a lot of people love to
> >find reasons that things they DON'T LIKE are evil. It makes their 
> >theology a lot tidier that ; no challenges to accept something 
> >different, you know...
> 
> Now, if we REALLY want to get rid of dangerous and evil stuff, we'd
> get rid of cars. Cars cause a lot of death and destruction, y'know,
> and probably a lot of people are killed in car accidents who haven't
> accepted the Lord, so it can be clearly seen that cars are the
> tool of the devil to kill people before they have a chance to have
> salvation. So we should get rid of cars, and while we're at it,
> computers and phones, since both can be used for gossip. Also
> we should get rid of printing and printing establishments, as
> well as all photography - stuff like cameras, cuz they can be
> used for stuff like pornography. In fact, I can tell you about
> several cases where cameras were definitely used for pornography!
> I can even produce a weeping person to tell you how cameras were
> used by the devil to destroy their life thru pornography. It
> wasn't their fault! If the Church hadn't allowed cameras in the
> first place, this never would have happened! ...
> 
> And cars, well what can I say? Diablolical!
> 
> when are people going to wake up and quit all this witnessing and
> giving and praying and worshipping and serving, and get on the
> ball and start abolishing cars and cameras, for pete's sake!?

I heared Satanists pray to Satan.
I do not want to do as Satanists do,
so we better do not pray anymore. ;-)

Also there are some newsgroups full of pornography.
You better throw you computer away.
Computers are for diablolical use too. ;-)


Horst
.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson)
Subject: Larry Norman (Just Visiting)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:28:57 GMT

	A few years ago, my friend and I discovered Larry Norman. We
bought 'Only Visiting this Planet'. One speaker channel was missing. We
took it back, got another, and found the next one had the same problem.
Does anyone know anything about this malfunctioned recording?

Brian D. Carlson
carlson@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cantwell@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Jeff Cantwell)
Subject: Mary, did ya know?
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:22:11 GMT

I've been hearing this song alot on the radio. A line I can remember
goes "Mary, did you know that your baby boy would one day walk on
water?" Anybody know who sings it, and who wrote it?  Thanks!!!

--Jeff
-- 
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  Internet: cantwell@vuse.vanderbilt.edu Bitnet: CANTWEJR@VUCTRVAX
	Phone: (615) 322-0110  Fax: (615) 343-6449
       2 Cor. 12:9 "Power is perfected in weakness."
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: keaggy song?
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:30:31 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>This is something that annoys me - alot of people avoid Christian music
because they know [ alot of ] it sucks,

What annoys me is the practice of slapping the two words "a" and "lot" 
together to form the non-word "alot."

Obligatory Xian Music Query:

From which Phil Keaggy album is the song "Just A Moment Away?" I was wondering
because i heard that D. Pinnick and J. Gaskill from King's X played on it...


-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"Walking the fine line... between Pagan and Christian...." - Steve Vai
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu
From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Distribution: world
Subject: phil keaggy: prime cuts
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:00:44 +1000

On Thu 10 Dec at 18:32 Michael A. Heiser wrote:

 MAH> From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)

 MAH> This is the only Keaggy release that I've heard Phil
himself 
 MAH> condemn.  It was released without his approval and
permission.

...and we still don't have all of "Getting Closer" on CD yet, nor
"Way back home", which are 2 of my favourite Keaggy albums.

PS. Keaggy hasn't played in Adelaide since 1983, although I saw
(and met) him in Melbourne in 1988.

 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia
(8:7000/8)

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: re: long haired men; rebuking needed?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.151223.19889@icf.hrb.com> jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) writes:
>
>Would you work for a company/person who didn't hire you merely on the basis
>of your hair?  (assuming that you are decent with your personal hygiene)
>

I wouldn't work for any company that didn't hire me.

John
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:31:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Dec30.172950.25181@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com writes:
>I have a very long hair and some of my relatives & friends condemned it,
>some don't, and some no comments....I like my hair and I'm not going to
>cut it for anything.....Is that a bad attitude????Is it wrong to like
>your hair....
>
>Any suggestions ??? comments ??? I played in our church band, and I love
>to play & use my talent for the Lord but I'm thinking of quitting
>because I might offend some people when they see me in front with my
>long hair...(don't want to be a stumbling block to them)......but don't
>want to cut my hair either.... 
>
>And I am very defensive if someone comment about my hair....(Don't get
>me wrong, I'm idolizing my hair, I just plain like them)
>
>I will cut them if anybody can prove to me it is wrong.....Thanks
>
>-- 

I had this discussion several years ago. (I only get 1-2 haircuts per year, 
so my hair goes from shoulder-length to above the ears.)  Someone will 
probably give you the scripture (Paul, I believe) that says something along 
the lines of "even nature tells us that men should have short hair."  Let 
me debunk that for you, in advance.  In the next scripture (I believe), 
it also says that women should have longer hair than men.  (My pastor's 
wife (at that time) had very short hair.)  So, at worst, it is no worse for a 
man to have long hair, than for a woman to have short hair.  Use that one 
on them.

God Bless,

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
From: ctrcsa@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris S. Arnold)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:12:42 GMT


	Long-hair has nothing to do with christianity.  A lot of depictions of Jesus show him with long-hair.  Everybody has their own opinions about how a christian should look.  Not everybody has to be clean-cut.  I think it all boils down to what kind of person you are inside.  Do you have a faithful relationship with Jesus??  That's what matters.  For those who condemn you, it's their sin to deal with.  We are not hear to judge each other.  Who knows...when we get to heaven, Jesus might have long-hair too.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:28:15 GMT

myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu writes:

[lots of drivel deleted]
>>>          [ ALWAYS use the KING JAMES VERSION.  Later versions are PER-
>>>          VERSIONS! ] 
>> 
>> 	So I take it that you have read ALL of the other versions.  The fact
>> that the American Standard is considered to be the most accurate rendering
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> means nothing to you ?  You obviously speek to people in thous thees and
>> tho's !.  Thou art !!
>> 
>I thought it was the New International Version that was the most accurate.  I
>may be wrong though.

	Well, the Apostle Paul may have written the King James Version,
but every time I find key word translations in, say, the Open Bible, it
always seems to suggest the same word used in the New American Standard
Version.

	(Oh, what was that, this is a music news group, well I better
say something appropriate so I don't get flamed)

	I sure wish Hocus Pick Manouver CD's were more available in the
Midwestern U.S.

Brian Carlson
carlson@unomaha.edu

.sig space for rent, inquire within
From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:02:12 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Hi all!

I just read Stacey O'Brien's post and I almost fell off my chair from laughter.
Thanks for starting my day in such a humorous, but meaningful way!  I am now
trying to conceive the concept of a heavy metal church -- THAT sounds like
an experience!

As for hair, my own hair has been many different lengths at different times.
I found that I got a lot of strange looks when it was long, but that's not the
reason that it is short today.  Maybe the problem stems from being in the
wrong area of the country, as Stacey suggests.  Last spring (when I had longer
hair), I visited my sister in Santa Cruz, CA.  I went from a culture in central
PA where I had "long" hair to a culture in CA where I was very conservative.
It depends on your perspective, I suppose.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't long hair an "in" style these days?  A lot of
popular men have been shown recently with long or longer hair.  Not that I'm
saying that you should do something because the rest of the world does it...
which of course, we all know would be a REALLY bad trend to follow.

My favorite thing to tell people when they make comments about my hair is that
they should only get concerned if I start wearing ribbons and bows in it.
And even then, if I'M okay with my decision to do this, then I can't see why
it would concern other people so much that they would get all stressed out 
over it.  Perhaps suggest that they switch to decaf?

Peace in the love of our Saviour!

Joe Karolchik
State College, PA
From: dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Carmen ... NEW
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:40:20 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.christian
Organization: elf____electronic learning facilitator, inc

Folks,

I really don't believe what I am reading.  How individuals can claim
something as spiritual truth based on taste alone.  Carmen has created
several progressive pieces in his time, not to mention his dramatic
'hit' portraying the Lord as conquerer over both sin and death.  In
fact, this piece is one of the most copied by dramatic groups todate.

Leave your taste behind, especially when you really don't hold any 
position to determine what is acceptable or not.

And Please ... the word says that by our fruits, they shall know us
... and by the language I have read thus far does not separate us
from the world !!  Remember Who you belong to !!

-- rice
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From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Distribution: world
Subject: Liaison/David Zaffiro Releases
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:38:36 +1000

On Wed 09 Dec at 16:56 Derek J. Wojciech wrote:

> From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)

 DJW> One nice addition is the inclusion of a new volcalist 
 DJW> who I think sings 3 songs. I forget his name.

Randall Waller, who has released "Oasis" [Genesis], "Midnight
Fire" [Tunesmith], "Avion" [RCA], and "White Noise" [EMI]. One of
the great Australian Christian musicians.

 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia
(8:7000/8)

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wag2@ellis.uchicago.edu (gregory alan wagner)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Reply-To: wag2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:47:23 GMT

camille paglia is soooo good...


;)

From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:34:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Request for Michael Card's music
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

> In <1992Dec21.110220.819@ualr.edu> lindstrom@acs.harding.edu writes:
> 
> >There is sheet music available for this.  Not considering the 
> >legal aspects of your request (there may be no *legal aspect),
> >MC's livleyhood is from sales and if you enjoy his music, you
> >can show your support through purchasing the music.
> 
> Sorry, I didn't say what I wanted the chords for... I just enjoy playing 
> the guitar and singing to myself so I only want the chords for my own 
> enterainment.

That doesn't affect the legality (or ethics of) copyright law. On the other
hand, two things about a song *cannot* be copyrighted: the *title*, and its 
*chord progression* (the latter because chord progressions apparently don't 
pass *legal* muster as the unique work of the author, unlike melody and lyric).

[the above info is not from a legal source, but was offered by Jimmy and Carol
Owens -- who should know --in a discussion of copyright law in a seminar on 
songwriting]

So if someone wants to email you a song title and a sequence of guitar 
chords, he can do so with impunity.

But you gotta figure out yourself how to align the chords w/ the words ;-)

And BTW, I don't know the song, so I'm no help...

Bob (life's too short -- get the book) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

P.S. let's not start another copyright debate, OK?
From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: More on Over The Rhine...
Date: 26 Dec 1992 05:49:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


 
Dear Rhinheads,
 
As you may or may not know, Over the Rhine will start the new year
on a major record label, the I.R.S. label.  The band played its
final show at Sudsy's in Cincinnati.  The band played to a sold
out show showcasing material off of its two CD's as well as
unreleased material.  In my opinion the new material is some of
their strongest yet. I would suggest that in the coming year you should make  
every attempt to we
I would suggest that in the coming year you should make every
attempt to see the band on a small stage before the band starts
playing Coliseum crowds.  
 
     The label tentively plans on rereleasing Patience in May.
Look for it in your favorite store.  Write to the band. They
will be happy to hear from you. Meanwhile hold on to the CD's
you have, their older discs are already increasing in value at
record shows.
 
I am using a friend's internet account, my name is
Mark Strine, and my home # is (216)262-0922 or leave
a reply at this account and it will be forwarded.
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:02:11 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.aero.org

In article <1992Dec8.170803.2710@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>          
>                          CONTRADICTIONS about God
>
>               Christians should all HONESTLY and thoroughly 
>          investigate the CONTRADICTIONS between the Old and New 
>          Testaments in terms of their descriptions of God. 
>
>               The God of the New Testament is described as a God of 
>          LOVE, MERCY, and PEACE. 
>
>               The god of the Old Testament is described as a JEALOUS, 
>          VENGEFUL god, a WAR-MONGER.  He said "Thou shalt not kill", 
>          and then proceeded to help the Israelites to kill TENS OF 
>          THOUSANDS of Arabs in order to take their land.  [And the 
>          zionist PIG$ from Israel are still doing it today!] 
>
>               Can the two Testaments POSSIBLY be talking about the 
>          same thing?! 
>
>
>               The "god" of the Old Testament was actually a TRIBE OF 
>          RENEGADE SPACE CANNIBALS, with a leader named "Yahweh", who 
>          was the commander of a UFO SPACECRAFT ("pillar of fire", 
>          "pillar of cloud", etc.), and a GENETICIST who CLONED Adam 
>          and Eve FROM HIMSELF and put them on this planet which was 
>          ALREADY INHABITED at that time.  And the "first born sons" of 
>          the Israelites became ROAST DINNER for the "JehovahS". 
>
>               All of this may sound UN-believable to most Christians.  
>          But try reading the Old Testament with these things in mind.  
>          For example, read the part about one of the Old Testament 
>          characters, Jacob, I think, WRESTLING WITH GOD, AND WINNING!  
>          [ ALWAYS use the KING JAMES VERSION.  Later versions are PER-
>          VERSIONS! ] 
>
>               See also the book "THE LOST TRIBES FROM OUTER SPACE", by 
>          Marc Dem, 1974, Bantam Books, Inc.. 
>
>
>
>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
>
>
>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
>
>


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

(ROFL!)

(rolling on the floor laughing)

                 --Stacey

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Cassettes for Sale: Cheap!
Keywords: Lots
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:10:43 GMT

Well, I'm back from Florida!  Had a good time, wish you were there :)

Anywho, in an attempt to expand my CD collection, I am dumping all of
my cassettes that I currently have.  I am not putting prices on because
I don't know about the demand and I quite honestly don't know what to ask.
I was thinking maybe around $4 a piece (or I would consider trading 2 or 3
cassettes for 1 CD).  If you see something you like, make an offer.  Here's
what I've got:

BTW, I just remembered, I do have one CD to sell or trade (Sacred Warrior -
Master's Command)

Greg X Volz - Come Out Fighting
Phillip Sandifer - On My Way
Phillip Sandifer - Keeping the Dream Alive
Sceptre - Rise to Power
Kieth Thomas - Instrumental Appetite (piano, jazz)
Servant - Swimming in a Human Ocean
Matthew Ward - Armed and Dangerous (case scratched)
Scott Roley - Brother to Brother
Masters V - Sing Me a Song About Jesus (vocal gospel)
Malachia - Red Sunrise
Justus - Someone's Waiting
Tramaine Hawkins - The Joy That Floods My Soul
Michael Gleason - Voices From the Old World
Various - East Coast Metal
Rick Cua - No Mystery
Contagious - Be Ready
Bloodgood - Detonation
Barnabas - Approaching Light Speed
Armada - Black & White
Carman - Radically Saved (does not have original case, but does have one)

Most of these cassettes are practically new and have only been played a few
times, some not.  If you want further info about a particular cassette, let
me know via E-mail.

As far as what I would trade for:
Mastedon, post-Kansas Livgren, Kaiser and Mansfield, Petra, Keaggy, Michael
Card, Christian Jazz, Bryan Duncan (Holy Rollin or earlier), possibly
Praise, Dino, early Larry Norman, Larry Howard or other Christian blues.

Again, make offers, I'm easy :)

A
--
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nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Prayer Request - please read
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:16:40 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

I am posting this to r.m.c, despite its being off-topic, as there may
not be time for it to be posted on s.r.c while it is still relevant.


The following appeared in todays (23rd Dec's) "Scotsman" newspaper.
I'm typing it in verbatim (all typo's mine)

"Appeal to Spare Preachers

President Fidel Ramos appealed yesterday to King Fahd of Saudi Arabia
to spare two Filipinos reported to be facing execution on Christmas
day for preaching Christianity in the Islamic country.

Oswaldo Magdangal and Renato Posedio have been in prison in Saudi
Arabia for two months after allegedly trying to build a Christian
church.

Saudi Arabia does not permit the open practive of religions other than
Islam and proselytising is also forbidden"


Can I suggest that we all pray that the King will have mercy and
commute or repeal the sentences.  Maybe we should also pray for the
Christians who will be commemorating Christ's birth in secret in Saudi
and other countries, and thank God for our own freedom to worship.

In Him

Alison
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: .MID files
Originator: npstewar@c00033-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:32:01 GMT


I've got Canadian Baptist Hymnal in .mid files, but it's at home, and I can't
get it to you until some time after Jan 6, 93.  I'm not sure about legal aspects
since this is an electronic medium.  I didn't see any kind of copyright notice
when I de-arj'ed the files.  I guess this is because the songs are public domain
and the compiler's of the hymnal don't care, since they didn't write the songs,
and would rather see as many people get these songs as want them.  I seriously
doubt Bernard of Clariveux would really care about you "ripping" him off anyway.

npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:48:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec30.172950.25181@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com writes:
>I have a very long hair and some of my relatives & friends condemned it,
>some don't, and some no comments....I like my hair and I'm not going to
>cut it for anything.....Is that a bad attitude????Is it wrong to like
>your hair....

If your name isn't Samson, who cares?

:>

-jen