HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rent Dangaio)
Subject: Re: abortion, homosexuality vs. Christians (Was: Racial Prob
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:29:24 GMT

George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca (George Lin) writes:

>>+ It's naive to say "what I do behind my closed doors is my business and you
>>+ should mind your own."  Society regulates what you can and cannot do behind
>>+ closed doors.  (ie. do drugs, have sexual relations with a minor, etc).
>>+ People in turn can affect these regulations through various means, one of
>>+ which is to be vocal about their views.
>> 
>> Right, society does for some extent regulate what you SHOULD and SHOULD NOT
>> do.  However, it is considered harrassment by law (ahh, a typical way society
>> tells you what you should and shouldn't do), 

>Harrassment?  What in the world are you talking about?  Maybe you sould read
>the paragraph again?


>On the other hand, "Ching" seems quite peculiar.

I don't think "george" is too hot either..


>> No, I'm not against christians at all; I'm just highly against christians who
>> think like you and have the mentality of a slug.  The word "irrational" can't
>> be applied to religion without generating some laughter.
>Well, if your mental capacity does not allow you to apply the word
>"irrational" to religion, please don't.

Ok, you're right.  You're 100% correct.  Therefore, I'll revise my statement.
Christianity according to your arguments is IRRATIONAL.


>> Rest assured that was not a curse since he's not God.  Remember, the only God
>> is Ching.  But Ching is generous, he'll still let you go to heaven eventhough
>> you've spent all your life worshipping jesus.

>Well, let's see here....

>1) If Ching is the true god, then you'll go to heaven...regardless.
>2) If Jesus is the true God, then you'll go to hell if you worship Ching.
>3) If Jesus is the true God, then you'll go to heaven if you worship Jesus.

>Well, logically, I would pick to worship Jesus, because then I'm guaranteed
>to go to heaven.

I'd expected christians like to you to whimp out and take the save road.  So
I guess you'll switch to Islam if their offer is better than christianity's
right?  Gee, such chicken sh*t christians, but hey, what do you expect.

>Now, if you choose Ching, there is that possibility that you'll go to hell.

I have a right to choose, and I do not fear the consequences of my actions.
If all people were like you (christians) we'd probably be living under some
police state by now.  Fortunately there're enough people like me who's bringing
everyone a FREE and BETTER world to live in.



> -------------------------------------------
>| George Lin                  | 145.270 MHz |
>| George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca   |   VE7FKU    |
> -------------------------------------------

--Ching
From: danz+@CENTRO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Dan Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: looking for someone from Yuan-Ze Institute of Technology, Tao-Yuan
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:28:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul22.222850.7161
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: danz@CENTRO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU


   I'd like to get in touch  with Tsai, Du-Ming and Chen, Ying-Hsiung in the departement
of industrial engineering, Yuan-Ze Institute of Technology, Tao-Yuan , Taiwan. If
anyone has any information about them (such as email addresses or phone numbers), 
please send me email at  danz@cs.cmu.edu.


    Thanks in advance!      
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11351 soc.culture.hongkong:9337 soc.culture.china:21283
From: ruan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:28:24 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul28.223753.511@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang) writes:
> In <1992Jul26.225209.10185@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
> 
>>>|>>>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>>>|>>>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
>>>|>>>             ^^^^^^^^^
> 
>>Some back sounds: why is that?
> 
> Money talks. Everything else is irrelevent. Females like to find someone
> with big bucks so that they don't need to work hard.
> 
> I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
> 			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am)
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NBC .... Gan!
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:24:20 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bs15AI.Aq7@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
> 
>> I tuned in at the time that i's appeared, so I didn't notice the
>> unfortunate disappearance of Chinese Taipei....
>> So, do we have any good teams that are capable of winning a metal???
>> Which teams DO WE HAVE anyway?
> 
>  That's another issue. Please tell me what is the spirit of Olympics?
>  There should be no politic aftereffect.

What???  Did I say anything about politics???

>> By the way, I thought that whole scene with the torch and the arrow
>> shot was magnificent.  Couldn't help wonder:  What would happen if
>> he have missed???  (hijo de muy grandisma...)
>  According to the News of TV, he practiced more than one housand times
>  with few misses.

According to NBC, he shot three arrows the previous day and missed
two of them.


Brandon
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Olympic Baseball
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:40:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bs4AGF.D07@acsu.buffalo.edu> hchiu@acsu.buffalo.edu (hung-chang chiu) writes:
>Taiwan defeated Purto Rico 10:1 (from clari.sports.olympic)

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)))


Brandon
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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News Again
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:26:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Jul21.202619.21720
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul21.171514.18111@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>
>(3). "Basic Instinct" is showing in TW now.  In PG-13.  God, they must cut a
>lot of "exciting shots"!  Thanks God we can see the whole thing here which

	Since nudity is allowed in a `reasonable' manner in TW,
	what is the point of cutting a lot of `exciting shots'?
	Even in some extreme cases, they can make certain spots
	in the film fuzzy hence not violating regulations concerning
	nudity.

	The main reasons are probably because the theaters want the film
	to be seen as widely as possible (not just those over 18's).
	In addition, making film showing time shorter by cutting shots
	means having more shows in a day.

	I wonder if there is still restriction on importing a limited
	number of copies for one movie. Having movie stopped in the
	middle of showing while waiting for next film reel to arrive
	from another theater was an interesting but not pleasant
	experience.


Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lmh@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Subject: Arsene Lupin
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:55:54 GMT


A while ago, someone posted an article asking for the English name of
a character that many of us who went to scholls in Taiwan are fairly
familiar with.  I lost the original article but after asking around,
the character we know as Ya3 Son1 Luo3 Pin2 (i think that's corect) is
Ars\'ene Lupin (a grave accent on the first "e"..French.)  Thanx to
zeno@athena.mit.edu.

- Minghsun Liu
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: more about Ku Ling
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:06:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>        Mr. Ku Ling began his writing career many years ago as a devout
>writer for Modern Chinese Poetry in Taiwan

If I remember it correctly, he, Tzy4-Cheng2 Lo2, and Young2-Jer2 established
the "Modern Poetry Club" at NTU in the 70s.

At that time, Lo2 was a undergraduate at the Dept. of Philosophy; Young2-Jer2 
at Dept. of Foreign Literatures, and Ku Ling at Dept. of Chinese Literature.

This reminds me of soemthing....

After the "Hsiung1-Twu3-Win2-Shay2-Lwuin4-Zhan4" (debate on the literature
based or focused on the land and people of Taiwan) in the 70s, the younger 
generation writers (those who were born after WWII, be their fathers of mainalnd
origin or not), leading or following this trend, basically started to think
about Taiwan as their one and only one homeland and write in this way too.
A gradual and slow awakening process thus began to burgeon, even with the heavy
presence of China-ization residue from mandatory school education and forceful
public media instillation.

With the societal changes expedited by the lift of martial law, more and more
first generation Taiwanese writers were stimulated to re-examine their stands 
in Taiwan and re-shape their perspectives of the land in which they were born 
and raised. For instance, the short-ficition writer Hsiau3-Ye3 (Little Wild) 
started a project with some young friends to collect Taiwan's historical and 
geographical data with the heart to Ann1-Shen1-Li4-Ming4 (resting body placing
destiny) in Taiwan and with the mind to search for the knowledge about Taiwan 
which they were so dire lack of.

I write all of these based on my memory, so be warned of possible mistakes or
inaccuracies.

kyt
P.S. The origin and influence of "Hsiung1-Two3-Win2-Shay2-Lwuin4-Zhan4" is quite
     interesting to me. But it happened when I was still in high school and I
     almost forget all the details of that heated debate already. Would some
     knowledgable netters be kind enough to share what they know with us?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Unification
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:01:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Jul21.160111.11297
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul20.175728.29440@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>
>Besides school, media monopoly.  Before 1970, 50% of TV
>airtime was HoLo.  In 1976, this dropped to 11%.  

	50% seems to be too high a rate to be real. Being a kid
	at the time, I watched a lot of TV and I can't believe
	this number. Even you exclude programs in English (
	sitcoms like Get Smart, Leave It To Biever, and some BBC
	productions), 50% still seems to be too high a number to believe.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:16:25 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <6817@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>
>Fortune Cookies: I have no idea where they came from,
>but.... here's a little game. Add the words "In Bed"
>or "between the sheets" to the end of every fortune
>that you get in a cookie.

Do I know you from somewhere Bill?  I tell people to do the exact
same thing!

>Sushi: Originally was raw fish or eggs on top of vinegared
>rice in a bowl or bento box. Then evolved into raw fish on
>a portion of seasoned rice formed into an oblong shape
>in the palm. Then evolved into a "roll" with Nori. Once
>it was a roll, people started putting veggies and other
>stuff in it. I once went to party where they served only
>"vegetarian" sushi. Needless to say, I was appalled.

Are ya makin' this up????   :-|

>"Confucius says wise man always looks before he leaps.... in bed"

.....  :-(



Brandon
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University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:28:44 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <klp.711739653@tomalak> klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang) writes:
>In <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>
>>>
>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
>             ^^^^^^^^^
>
>NOT!
>

Yes. It is very easy to have a poll. Generally, I do not respond
to junks. So, I ignore the rest.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:15:11 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <l6r4p1INNo8p@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> In article <76348@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> - As I said before.  If an individual province secedes, then that
> - province individually will always be better off.  The problem is that
> - if all the provinces secede, then they all will be worse off.
> 
> So, those countries which seceded from the Great Big Britain, such as
> the U.S, Canada, New Zealand and Austrlia, ..etc, are ALL worse off ??!!
> 
> Oh, I forgot to remind you that Taiwan needs no secession.   Taiwan IS
> a de facto independent country already.

Allow me to put a big question mark here. Do you mean Republic of China
or Republic of Taiwan or Republic of Iunn?

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11429 soc.culture.hongkong:9422 soc.culture.china:21699
From: leave@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Leave Database System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:03:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <1992Jul29.195419.14251@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>I disagree with the generalization of "western" women being lazy, and
>in fact I think most housewives keep their house really clean; cleaner
>than the Chinese counterpart. 

You just said you should not generalize or rather stereo type a group 
of people.  What's this housewife cleaning business?  Who are you to
comment on Chinese housewives do not clean their house properly?  In 
today's society, household chores are shared by both husband and 
wife.  If your house is not clean, it's probably that you are not 
doing your share.  Don't shame the woman, it's not our job to begin
with.  Most couples today, work and look after the home together.  If
you are not prepare to share the housework, stay with your parents or
live in charity man hostels.


Selina

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lmh@medg.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:19:21 GMT

In article <14168@borg.cs.unc.edu> chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu) writes:
Path: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate!rutgers!gatech!concert!borg!church!chu
   From: chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
   Date: 26 Jul 92 15:09:14 GMT
   References: <uc=vHfkfp8@atlantis.psu.edu>
   Sender: news@cs.unc.edu
   Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
   Lines: 10

   >jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Chieh-Sheng Lee;;blue) writes:
   >
   >>I can't help but say: Gan, NBC! (If my memory serves me right, they
   >>screwed me up 4 years ago, too).

   I wonder people in Taiwan had a chance to see Chinese Taipei team. When I
   called Taiwan Sat night, my parents were watching the opening ceremony too.
   I hope NBC is not controlling the broadcasting there also......

   Heng

No, NBS isn't, fortunately.  The three TV stations here are doing the
broadcasting jointly.  I thought the ceremony was pretty good but
somehow the commentary made me wonder how stupid the reporters must
think the viewers are.  (Well, they were saying things like: "When the
Olympic flag extended over the heads of every participants of the
game, the boundary and (some other stuff) ceased to exist..."  Anyway
perhaps I had to much propaganda in elemntary school, I had this sick
feeling in my stomach and wanted to vomit...yuk!  The quote is not
exact, BTW.)

People have likened the Olympics to an American college-style party
where everyone can get drunk and forget about current problems for a
while.  It's probably a accurate metaphor. (or is it simile?)

- Minghsun

PS. Anyone interested in writing a computer "GO" program?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: Some News From TW
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:57:49 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: AWJ News: Taiwan is to regulate its booming cable industry.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:20:19 GMT


[Excerpted from The Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly without permission]
[JULY 20, 1992]

Taiwan Seeks to Regulate Cable TV
By Legalizing the Booming Industry

By Jeremy Mark


Taipei--
...
...
Now Mr. Hsi runs one of the largest cable-TV operations in Taiwan, offering
thousands of subscribers 40 channels of satellite broadcasting, kung fu movies,
karaoke and stock-market quotes.
	The only catch is that Mr. Hsi's business is illegal--
...
...
LEGAL FRAMEWORK
	Taiwan doesn't even have a law providing the legal framework for cable
television, yet by government estimates, 21% of the island's 20 million people
have regular access to cable programming.
...
...
TEMPORARY LEGALIZATION
...
...
The GIO (governement information office) is drawing up regulations that would 
allow existing cable broadcasters to operate legally in the period before the
Cable Television Law is passed and implemented.
...
...
ENFORCEMENT FAILURE
...
...
Last year, during the largest crackdown by the government, 814,000 pounds of 
cables were ripped out in a four-month period, according to the GIO. But the
effort had barely any effect.
...
...
SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS
	Under a copyright agreement hammered out last month, the Taiwan
government agreed to accelerate the legalization of its cable industry.
...
Taiwan authorities also agreed to crack down on the Fourth Channel operators.
...
However, major American film distributors are unwilling to talk with the
underground operators.
...
Mr. Hsi suggests the image of an industry tied to gangsters is overblown.
...
"...But in Taiwan, underworld society does not regard the Fourth Channel
as something thet can make money out of. It's not easy money."
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Fortune cookies origin (was FC's, sushis, eggrolls...)
Keywords: Fortune are from the USA
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:24:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan


For those of you who haven't figured out where FC came from, here's
the best response I've gotten.

=============================================================================

Hi!  I read the newsgroups, but do not have posting priveleges, ergo this
E-mail.

You asked about Fortune Cookies and their origin--well, I always enjoy
the telling.

"Chinese" fortune cookies are really the invention of none other than a
Japanese family in the city of San Francisco!  You see, the story began in
1894, when the city of SF decided to hold the Mid-Winter International
Exposition smack in the middle of Golden Gate Park.  The park's
superintendent, John McLaren, was horrified at the invasion of his pristine
park by more than 100 makeshift buildings and the hordes of people coming
to see them; when the Expo ended, McLaren wasted no time in blowing up or
tearing down the buidlings, with the exception of a very few he liked.
One that he was quite fond of was the Japanese Tea Garden, which he let
stand (and it's still there today).

The Tea Garden was lovingly maintained and operated by a family of Japanese
immigrants, the Hagiwaras; they took care of the site from 1895 until 1942,
when they, along with more than a hundred thousand Americans of Japanese
descent were rounded up and sent to concentration camps; that's another
story, however.  It is what happened during those happy years in the park
which answers your question.  The Hagiwaras had to take care of the Garden,
but were sometimes short of funds; in answer to this problem, Makoto Hagiwara
whipped up a new kind of cookie--that's right, the Fortune Cookie--and sold
them to help maintain the Garden.  Around the turn of the century, the idea
of the Fortune Cookie caught on with the great number of Chinese restaurants
in San Francisco, and the rest is history.

  --Luis Poza, Japan Information Society, San Francisco State University

Please feel free to post this in answer to your question in soc.culture.japan
if you wish.  Hope you enjoy the story!

(source for story material: "A Short History of San Francisco" by Tom Cole)

============================================================================

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University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:25:04 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Jul24.075848.54636@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>	Sushi is, as long as to my poor knowledge is concerned, any prepared
>	dish with vinegared or fermented rice in Japanese cooking; e.g. 
>	chirashi zushi, nare zushi.  It need not be served with a piece of raw
>	fish on it.

Your poor knowledge agrees with mine.  :-)  What I know as sushi is
rice rolled up in dried seaweed, with vinegar or veggies etc...
BUT NO RAW FISH!  One other variation that I really like is the
vinegared rice rolled up in I think it's tofu skins?  (or eggs???)

While I am at it, is "tappanaki" (sp?) or what we Taiwanese call the
Tie3-Ban3-Zhow1 (hey I am a novice to Pinyin!), is that available in
Japan also?  I would assume that DID come from Japan?


Brandon

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Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
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