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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWLS
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:51:09 GMT

In article <1glqsuINN2rd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fvaughn@lynx.crc.northeastern.Edu (Frederick E. Vaughn) writes:
>
>I know that this is probably an FAQ that's been asked to death, but could
>someone PLEEEEEEEEZE list the sites of the previous 26 Super Bowls (cities and
>stadiums, s'il vous plait)?
>
>FRED, who's fed up with these tired Viking Queens and wants to see the VIKINGS
>on the field!!
>-- 
>********** fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (PRIMARY)
>FREDERICK* bo643@cleveland.freenet.cwru.edu (SECONDARY) 
>ELOY	 *"R - E - S - P - E - C - T."
>VAUGHN   * 

Available via ftp at wuarchive.wustl.edu
			/doc/misc/sport/nfl


 #   winner   loser  score       site     attend.          MVP
---- -------------- -------   --------------------  -----------------
XXVI  Wash vs Buff  37 - 24   Minneapolis  63,130   Rypien, Wash
XXV    NYG vs Buff  20 - 19   Tampa        73,813   Anderson, NYG
XXIV    SF vs Den   55 - 10   New Orleans  72,919   Montana, SF
XXIII   SF vs Cin   20 - 16   Miami        75,129   Rice, SF
XXII  Wash vs Den   42 - 10   San Diego    73,302   Williams, Wash
XXI    NYG vs Den   39 - 20   Pasadena    101,063   Simms, NYG
XX     Chi vs Pats  46 - 10   New Orleans  73,818   Dent, Chi
XIX     SF vs Miami 38 - 16   Stanford     84,059   Montana, SF
XVIII  Rai vs Wash  38 -  9   Tampa        72,920   Allen, Rai
XVII  Wash vs Miami 27 - 17   Pasadena    103,667   Riggins, Wash
XVI     SF vs Cin   26 - 21   Pontiac      81,270   Montana, SF
XV     Rai vs Phil  27 - 10   New Orleans  76,135   Plunkett, Rai
XIV   Pitt vs Rams  31 - 19   Pasadena    103,985   Bradshaw, Pitt
XIII  Pitt vs Dal   35 - 31   Miami        79,484   Bradshaw, Pitt
XII    Dal vs Den   27 - 10   New Orleans  75,583   White/Martin, Dal
XI     Rai vs Minn  32 - 14   Pasadena    103,438   Biletnikoff, Rai
X     Pitt vs Dal   21 - 17   Miami        80,187   Swann, Pitt
IX    Pitt vs Minn  16 -  6   New Orleans  80,997   Harris, Pitt
VIII Miami vs Minn  24 -  7   Houston      71,882   Csonka, Miami
VII  Miami vs Wash  14 -  7   Los Angeles  90,182   Scott, Miami
VI     Dal vs Miami 24 -  3   New Orleans  81,023   Staubach, Dal
V    Colts vs Dal   16 - 13   Miami        79,204   Howley, Dal
IV      KC vs Minn  23 -  7   New Orleans  80,562   Dawson, KC
III    NYJ vs Colts 16 -  7   Miami        75,389   Namath, NYJ
II    GBay vs Rai   33 - 14   Miami        75,546   Starr, GBay
I     GBay vs KC    35 - 10   Los Angeles  61,946   Starr, GBay

If you find any errors in this listing or wish to comment on the 
content, please notify me at:

cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

Thank you,

Bryan Cooper
From: burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: PACKERS - REDSKINS WILDCARD CHANCES
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:21:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering

Ok, so the Eagles are definitely in, but who gets the last wildcard if:
Packers win, Washington wins, and Eagles loose next week? 
I've seen some postings on this 3-way tie situation, but does anybody know 
for sure?
thanks.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tootie Robbins - A reply
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:56:58 GMT
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <102001@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>Back when the Pack was facing the much-hyped Eagles defense, Favre had
>good protection through much of the game.  Yesterday, against the Oilers
>pass rush, he was hurried, knocked down and sacked.  The big difference
>between the two games was the absence of Tootie Robbins in the latter.
>
>Is this guy THAT good??  If so, why on Earth did the Cards give him up 
>for a 6th round draft pick (yeah he's getting old but he must be effective)?

A couple of quick notes.

1. Tootie Robbins along with the other players in the line
has played well this year. Main asset : Experience. Also
the Cards sent one of their Off.Line Coaches Mr.Lovat also
to GB just in case they were looking for one. He has been 
terrific with more or less the same bunch of players as
last year. Mandarich is still suffering from the post - whatever
syndrome. But I am not going to take any shots at him. He may
succeed under this system. The Backup yesterday Simms
did pretty well.

2. The Packers gave a 6th round pick to Cardinals. And they
picked up a player whom they promptly waived soon. And guess
what? GB picked him up. Sheesh I forgot his name. I'll
recollect it soon.
From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "Your #1 [sic]" (was Re: Bears 30, Steelers 6 !!)
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:45:41 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey) writes:

>richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>>honor. Now, I don't normally get on spelling binges, but
>>these _are_ the same people who have had occaision for calling Packer
>>fans "Cheeseheads".

>I believe it's spelled occasion, you cheesehead.

>>You can always count on a few Bear fans to woefully demonstrate their
>>intelligence.

>The intelligence that Packer fans crave?


>_________________________________________________________________________
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I just want to make sure everyone knows this is a joke.  I don't mean any 
harm to my friends to the north.  Even if your teams couldn't win a game of 
checkers with an infant, I don't mean any harm to Wisconsin's citizens.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Pack vs. San Fran/ Dallas
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:47:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

Someone wanted to compare the 80s niners with the 70s Steelers noting
that the latter had Hall of Fame players at linebacker, secondary, defensive
line and at QB.  

okay... in the early 70s, the Steelers had a defense which
dominated the game and the offense was based mostly around the great
running of Franco Harris.  Bradshaw was a good QB who had a great set
of WRs (Swann and Stallworth) but hadn't fully "matured" into one of
the greats.

if someone had described the above in reference to a team in the 90s,
I'd say that they were talking about... the Cowboys!  Great defense,
a great runner, good WRs in Irvin/Harper/Martin and a good QB who will
mature into a Hall of Famer.

What do you think?

satish nair
giants (5-11 in '92)



Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:47:42 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Opinions anyone?
	<1992Dec10.164715.8673@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 10-Dec-92 Re: Opinions
anyone? John DiMarzio@ice.stx.co (794)

> Pittsburgh's losses were to: Cleveland, Green Bay and Buffalo.  All teams
> that deserve respect.

speaking of which, San Diego's 5 losses were to:

Denver
KC(2)
Pittsburgh
Houston

the loss to Denver was early on, when Denver was playing well so that's
not too bad. The first loss to KC was the first week of the season, when SD
still a QB problem, and the second loss was in KC, so neither of these losses
should reflect too badly on them. The Houston loss was pretty much a
blowout, but Houston can be a deadly team at times. So, in all, SD has had
some respectable losses as well. We'll see if they can keep it up when they
play Cinci this week (the worst defense in the league) and if they can get
the job done when it counts (against LA and Seattle).

The thing is, SD probably won't make the playoffs unless they beat *both*
the Raiders *and* Seattle, which would both be clutch wins and would
show that they can win important games (which should include playoff
games). I personally expect to see SD here in Pittsburgh sometime during
the playoffs.... :D

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packers still alive
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 DEC 92 12:40:39    

With Washington's win over Dallas they have clinched the tiebreaker vs 
the Packers.  (Oh, Aikman, you putz!  Blasted officials.)  The worst 
the Redskins can do at the 1st tie breaker, conference record, is 7-5.  
The best the Packers can do is 7-5.  The 2nd tie breaker is common 
opponents and the Redskins already have that category.

The Packers can still get the 2nd wildcard if Philly beats Washington, 
then loses to the Giants, and Washington loses to the Raiders, and the 
Packers win their last 2 games.

The Packers can get the 3rd wildcard if ...
    1) Philly goes 1-1 and the Packers go 2-0 or
    2) Philly goes 0-2 and the Packers go 1-1 or
    3) Washington goes 0-2 and the Packers go 2-0.

To win the NFC Central the Packers still have to beat the Rams in GB 
and the Vikings in Minn and the Vikings must lose to the Steelers in 
Pitt next weekend.

I'll be anxiously watching for the line on these games.  GB should be 
favored over the Rams.  I wonder what the line will be between the 
Vikings and the Steelers.  I think the Vikings will be able to do to 
Steelers what the Bears did to them yesterday - stop the run and force 
Brister to try to beat you with the pass.  I think the Vikes will be 
able to scrape together enough offense to win.  I am hoping otherwise.

The Packers should be able to beat the Rams but you can't take 
anything for granted in this league.  I'll be in section 16, row 22, 
seat 13 or 14 (depending on which ticket my father happens to pull out 
of his pocket 1st) at Lambeau.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:40:21 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Wildcard Teams to the Super Bowl
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:09:11 GMT

In article 3267@galileo.cc.rochester.edu,  jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh) writes:
>In <1992Dec19.190922.35540@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Well, why don't you tell us...  How many times has it happened that the
>>#5 and #6 teams both made it all the way through to the championship game??
>>What is the probability of it occuring???
>
>answer... never...

The answer to that specific question (#5 amd #6 WC teams to the conference
championship game) is correct, as this format is only in its third year and
the last two years of conference championship games have been:

   1990  NFC  NY Giants (Div #2)  at San Francisco (Div #1)
         AFC  LA Raiders (Div #2) at Buffalo (Div #1)
   1991  NFC  Detroit (Div #2)    at Washington (Div #1)
         AFC  Denver (Div #2)     at Buffalo (Div #1)

>i do not believe a wild card team has EVER made it to the superbowl...

Now, THIS statement is incorrect ...

>this would immediately disqualify a championship game between two
>wildcards... but i could be wrong on that... i don't know for sure if
>a wild card team has made it to the superbowl... i remember hearing a
>couple years ago that no AFC wildcard team has ever made it to the
>superbowl... but i am not so sure about the nfc...
>
>jason

Actually, the first team to make it to the Super Bowl as a wildcard team
was the (then) Oakland Raiders, having hosted the Houston Oilers in the
WC game in 1980.  They went on to win in Cleveland and San Diego to earn
the right to play the Philadelphia Eagles in SB 15 ... and hey, they even
beat the Eagles, thus making them the first WC team to **WIN** a Super Bowl.

The 1985 New England Patriots also made it to the Super Bowl, and had to do
it all on the road, with wins at the Meadowlands (WC game vs. the Jets), at
the Coliseum (winning there was no easy task in the early 80's), and at the
Orange Bowl (remember "Squish the Fish?").  However, the Pats were not able
to repeat the success that the Raiders had, as they were crushed by 'Da Bearz
in SB 20, which was (ironically) also in New Orleans.

The closest that an NFC wildcard team has advanced was the conference
championship game, as illustrated by:

	1980 Dallas
	1986 Washington
	1987 Minnesota
	1989 LA Rams


Bob

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:30:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:20:14 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: drai0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:46:01 GMT

>Hey fellow Packer Backers, let's save the woofing and the Viking flaming until
>after the game in week 17.  We have all seen how all the other woofers have had to
>eat their words.  I would rather Packer fans continue to display the 'class' that
>has been reflected in posts all season long.  Hopefully we will continue to get
>our pleasure from victories on the field and not by belittling other teams fans.
>
>Call me superstitious, but I have yet to see a team win a game after their fans
>let the victories go to their heads and their 'mouths'.
>---

That reminds me of some woofing that has been going around here in the Twin
Cities.  One of the radio stations (KFAN) has an almost continous sport talk
show on.  Well, one of their announcers has been touting since a few weeks 
ago that no way would the Pack/Viking game be for the division.  He even 
went so far as to state (over and over through the last few weeks) that if
the game in week 17 would be for the division he would stand outside the
dome in his underwear and let snowballs be thrown at him.  So, if the
football gods are listening we need snow (hopefully) ... nice packy stuff!!!
 
Doug Drais
From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Half a question
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <009652AD.67B603C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>I have seen refs call the penalty distance
>as "half the distance to the goal line".
>Can anyone tell me when is this and not 
>penalty by no. of yards (like say 10) 
>is enforced.

The penalty which leaves the ball furthest from the goal line is used. I.e.,
assuming the ball is on yardline Y, and a penalty of P yards is to be
assessed towards the nearest goal line, then the ball will be spotted
at S, where :

    S = max(Y-P,Y/2)

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