HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jerry@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Jerry Aguirre)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Summary: "all", just say !
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:54:06 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

I have no problem with some "leaf" site using "all" because their system
runs on auto-pilot.  But a site running a lot of connections crossing
local heirarchy boundaries should be more responsible.  If that kind of
site doesn't stop the leakages then we might as well give up on
controlling distributions.

In article <1992Oct6.062833.7889@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>	I did say it, and I'm quite aware that humans make mistakes,
>again, the question is to minimize the potential for error.

There are two issues; the potential for error and the damage resulting
from the error.  If one site, not using all, makes an error then the
result is a group that they don't pass on.  Assuming they are not a leaf
it is likely that the article will find its way around the blockage and
the harm will be minimal, perhaps zero.

On the other hand when a site using "all" misconfigures they pass on a
group that was not supposed to escape.  All the sites using "all" pass
it on because they "didn't expect to receive it" and therefor didn't
"!group" it.

>	Are you going to insist on listing every newsgroup by name?

No. No one suggested this.  Why do you keep bringing it up?  Some feeds
wanting very specific groups wind up nearly doing this but that is no
problem other than the resulting huge sys entry and has nothing to do
with using "all" or not.

>Are
>you going to insist on every hierarchy by name? 

Yes.  There are typically less than 20 that apply and they change
infrequently.  I doubt that I have to make a heirarchy change more than
once a year.  I add and drop feeds, and make requested adjustments to
feeds, a hundred times more often than I add a new heirarchy.

Actually what are all these heirarchies that people keep saying are
changing?  Am I missing out of something?  Can you name two new
heirarchies, non local, that have appeared in the last year?

>different from all? Interactively? Humans make mistakes.)   Even
>postulating the second case (list hierarchies explicitly) is going to
>push the potential for errors up by increasing the complexity of the sys
>file lines.

Your right :-) Using:

uunet/news.uu.net:inet,ddn,world,comp,news,sci,rec,misc,soc,talk,alt,trial,bionet,biz,gnu,unix-pc,usrgroup,pubnet,su,bit,u3b,eunet,vmsnet,na,usa,us,ca,ba,uunet,to.uunet:l:news.uu.net

Is SOOOO complicated.  And that is a big entry because UUNET has a case
for getting lots of heirarchies.
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:23:47 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 8a83866bb79a1787063346a6236e3704

In <1992Sep30.234601.25779@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>># It assumes that you have a sys
>># file entry for each neighbour in the following form:
>>#    site:all,!to,to.site,...
>           ^^^
>Aaaaaaaggggggggggh!  Grond want *kill*.

Oh for crying out loud!  What in the world is wrong with this?  It says
that all newsgroups are supposed to be passed along to the site in
question.  In B-news, this includes all distributions, and the D'Arcy
did show some exclusions.

I suspect that for most of the sites on the net, such a method is
perfectly adequate AND HARMLESS!   It is sites that are on domain or
hierarchy boundaries that need to be specific about excluding
hierarchies or distributions.

As an example, I have (in part) in my (cnews) sys file:


	ME:all/all

	duke:all,!wd,!bacchus,!rtpbbs,!dt,!to,to.duke/all,!local,!wd,!dt:f:

In my case, this takes care of all the necessary items.  The
organizational newsgroups and hierarchies are prevented from getting
outside to the internet, and I get anything anyone cares to pour in via
the links.

Now, if I had:

	duke:all,!to,to.duke/all:f:

then I would be guilty of distribution andor hierarchy corruption.  But
it is a lot easier to do the exclusions than to try and do a complete
set of explicit hierarchy or distribution names.
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.config
From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Editor
Keywords: editor
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:15:20 GMT


Could anybody tell me how to change the editor for posting news through nn
or Pnews?

Newsgroups: news.config
From: dlowry@cih.hcuge.ch (LOWRY Dorothy (DBM))
Subject: Re: Editor
Keywords: editor
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:03:19 GMT

For changing the editor with your news program, if it is just for you, you can
include the following lines in your .cshrc file:

setenv EDITOR emacs/vi/etc

And then this will be your own "default" editor - at least this works with rn
- haven't tested it for the other news programs.

- Dorothy

Xref: sparky news.newusers.questions:4314 comp.misc:3847
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Disaster Recovery & Contingency Planning Info
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 05:01:15 PDT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems, Moraga, CA

jparadis@ieeefin.ieee.org (Jim Paradise) writes:

> As a fairly new user of the net, I was wondering where in Netland would one
> find discussions regarding contingency planning and disaster recovery.  Any
> info would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jimbo P.
> 

Disaster Research mailing list is for the discussion of these matters.
For information, write to hazards@vaxf.colorado.edu .

A.Lizard
From: jtbell@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jon Bell)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: mail between Internet and Prodigy
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:18:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: hubcap.1992Sep27.001857.7562
Distribution: na
Organization: Presbyterian College, Clinton SC

In article <1992Sep26.225853.3376@cis.ohio-state.edu> fullerto@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton) writes:
>
>	The topic is pretty self explanatory. Is it possible to mail from
>Internet to Prodigy and vice versa. If so, how?
>

By sheer chance I was reading the October issue of Computer Shopper magazine
a few minutes ago.  On page 704, in the "Connect Time" column:

"...the Prodigy service will be adding E-mail access to the Internet in the
near future.  There's no word yet as to when the connection will be opened..."

That's all I know.

Jon Bell (jtbell@presby.edu) / Dept. of Physics & Comp. Sci.
Presbyterian College / Clinton SC USA
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Computer book advice wanted...
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:29:15 GMT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems, Moraga, CA

> >If only to say you have it, go out and get "The New Hacker's
> >Dictionary", Eris S. Raymond, ed.  (MIT Press, 1991, ISBN
> >0-262-68069-6, price $10.95 (cheap)).
> 
> And if only to say you got it for free, ftp to prep.ai.mit.edu (or a
> lot of other places, I'm sure, like UUNET or wuarchive).  Why people
> would pay eleven dollars for something they could get for free is
> beyond me.


Would you give us the information necessary to ftp this document?
Would you know if it is available from decwrl or other ftp-mail
sites?
thanks
A.Lizard
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Computer book advice wanted...
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:50:48 GMT

I'd recommend HACKERS, by Steven Levy, to anyone interested in this
topic.  Especially after watching SNEAKERS.  In fact, I think I'll go
read it again.

(If you get alt.religion.computers or alt.folklore.computers, those
would be much better places for this type of question anyway.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: paul@gst.kiev.ua (Paul Vedin)
Subject: FTP-ing from CICA. HELP!
Reply-To: paul@gst.kiev.ua
Organization: Gorsistemotechnika, Kiev, Ukraine
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:34:19 +0400


 Help me, please, in the following problem:

   I am working on MS_DOS computer, and want to read some file
   (description of RTF format) from ftp site ftp.cica.indiana.edu.

   QUESTION:
   How can I do it without FTP? Does CICA allow e_mail access from
   Eastern Europe?

   Thanks for any help information

   Paul Vedin



Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: What are .Z suffixed files & can I copy read-only files?
Keywords: .z ftp read-only
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:16:19 GMT

groggy@unixg.ubc.ca (Clive J Grogono) writes:

>These are probably faqs listed somewhere or other, but can someone tell me
>what .Z suffixed files are

A file with a '.Z' tacked on to its name has been compressed.

For example if you have the file

myfile.tar

and you type the command

compress myfile.tar

it will be compressed to a fraction of its original size and will be
renamed

myfile.tar.Z

To uncompress it type

uncompress myfile.tar.Z

and you will restore 'myfile.tar'.

--Steve
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From: dmaluso@MtHolyoke.edu (Diane Maluso)
Subject: TN3270 emulator and sumex???
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:20:35 GMT


Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: tjr3@quads.uchicago.edu (thomas john ryan)
Subject: Which newsgroup is for baseball card collecting?
Reply-To: tjr3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:40:02 GMT

See above
Tom

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: ricky@mindvox.phantom.com (Richard Velez)
Subject: FTP List with Files ?
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:10:52 GMT

Can anyone tell me where I could a list of all the FTP which offers Files 
for downloading ??. Thanks...

===============================================================
 Richard Velez                      Electronic Mail
 South Bronx, Homeboy!               Richard Velez - 1:278/712
 Born and Raise in New York City     Ricky@MindVox.Phantom.Com
===============================================================
From: D14YC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: how to view the posted gif pictures
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:20:35 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

To whom it may concern,
I am a newcomer to this enviroment.  Hopefully you will be able to help me.
Recently when I looking through the articles, a few of them were encoded
GIF files.  My need is to find out how do I decode those pictures?
I also would like to know how to acces the necessary files and commands?
any response is appreciated.
                                 Anxiously waiting
                                 The New comer
send your responses to D14YC@CUNYVM.
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: sstrong@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Computer book advice wanted...
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:56:35 GMT

Can someone point me to some good nonfiction computer type books.  I am 
interested in stories/biographies(sp?)/etc...
The ones I have are:

The Cukoo's Egg     By Stoll (sorry about the spelling...)
Accendental Empires  By Cringley  (again spelling ...)
Hard Drive           By _I forget!_
The Whole Internet   (Still on order ...)

Another book I have read is 'A few Good Men from UNIVAC' but I have lost 
the book.

These are the types of books I like.  Does anyone have any sugestions on 
my next purchase.  New books are ok but I like the old ones also.

BTW (If anyone has one to sell drop me some email with the title, condition,
 and a brief summary)
Thanks.
Steve Strong
-- 
sstrong@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Electrical Engineering, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: thanks...my next question is...
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:59:48 GMT

In article <15712@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@proline.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>In article <92272.154051U58855@uicvm.uic.edu> U58855@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>Now I have another question that I haven't seen addressed in this group (or in
>>fact, any other) - is there a way to post anonymously, without your user id
>>number appearing in the post?
>
>My first question is, why would you wish to do such a thing?  Consider
>carefully; I would wonder at your wishing to make an opinion known
>without wishing your name to go with it.

There are many reasons why someone might want to do this; 
we (Express Access) are a Public Access site in the DC area,
and we have users who have public name recognition.
If people saw them on the net, and maybe even posting in some
politically non-correct newsgroups, the fur would fly! 
Anyone can buy an account on our systems, and if they wish 
they can remain anonymous to the outside world.  We know who
they are, because we have a service contract with them, but
our rules are strict on privacy here.  

>I think it is generally best to post with your name.  However, there
>are notable exceptions, and with these it is possible to post
>anonymously.  If you are wishing to post to soc.motss or soc.bi (two
>groups where, unfortunately, posting is often misinterpreted as a
>statement about the poster's sexual orientation), there are people who
>will sometimes post for you; read the FAQs to find out who these
>people are.

These things to work, though I know at least one person who 
posted direct once, rather than through wizvax, and was revealed
to all (so to speak!).  They way that we do it is to have the 
actual account name, realname field, etc. determined by the user
so that there is no chance of an "accidental" posting that can 
cause heartache, heartburn, or a drop of 20 points in the polls ;-)

>The short answer to your question is: yes, there are ways to post
>anonymously.  But I admonish you to THINK before doing so.

Indeed.

>Trey Harris
>--Stranger in a Strange Thread!

Doug

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Computer book advice wanted...
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Oct02.011829.29568@wvus.org> <BvHL7x.4Jo@unix.amherst.edu>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:26:27 GMT

Tim> == Tim Pierce <twpierce@unix.amherst.edu> 
Art> == art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen) writes:

 Art> If only to say you have it, go out and get "The New Hacker's
 Art> Dictionary", Eris S. Raymond, ed.  (MIT Press, 1991, ISBN
 Art> 0-262-68069-6, price $10.95 (cheap)).

 Tim> And if only to say you got it for free, ftp to prep.ai.mit.edu (or
 Tim> a lot of other places, I'm sure, like UUNET or wuarchive).  Why
 Tim> people would pay eleven dollars for something they could get for
 Tim> free is beyond me.

It's a lot less dependent on external power.  It's got the cartoons.
It's nicely formatted.  It's easier to give to your parents, especially
since they don't have a computer at home because you took it with you,
and their VCR is blinking "12:00" at them because you were always the
one who fixed it.  It makes some money for MIT Press and Eric Raymond.
It encourages the bookstore you bought it from to order more of that
sort of thing and fewer bodice-rippers.  It helps prove that you can
make information available both on the Net and on dead trees without
killing your profit on the dead tree version.

I have the textual online version, the book, and the HyperCard hypertext
version (quite nicely done).  I even contributed an entry to the book,
though the address in the back of the book is quite a bit out of date
for me now.  Life's like that sometimes.
--
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<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   | ``[Y]ou don't cure bad art by locking it all up
System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   | at bad artists.'' --Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: Long Time Delay ......
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:57 EST  

Hello, I have a few questions.
How long does it take for a post to actually get posted?  I've posted
to groups and have seen the post in the directory of that group
immediately afterwards, yet the most up-to-date post that I can 
receive (other than the ones I post myself), are usually three to four 
days old.  For example, it is currently Monday, Sept. 28, 17:45 est.  
The most recent post that I've read is from Thursday, Sept. 24, 
16:15 edt.  Is this just a problem for my site, or is this typical?  
Does the delay have to do with the location of the original poster?
I've seen posts which respond to other posts within the same day of
the original post, so I don't think this problem is universal.

Anyways, any info is much appreciated.  I'd prefer E-Mail, because I 
don't frequent this group very often.  My address is
               SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV

Thanks,
 - Wayne.
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From: wernercg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig Werner)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Where to Discuss Nixpub Sites
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:55:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello, everyone.

I'd appreciate a steer to the newsgroup or archive that discusses 
inexpensive Nixpub sites.  I'll bet this topic has been hacked to
death somewhere, right?

Thanks for any and all help.

Craig Werner <wernercg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: SOMEONE IN AUSTRALIA
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:33:45 GMT

Christian Laferriere (christian.laferriere@synapse.isis.org) wrote:
> from: christian.laferriere@synapse.isis.org
> subj: someone from Australia
> 
>    Hi all,
>          I am trying to find information on communicating with people in
>          Canberra Australia.  I have a friend there and I would like
>          information on where exactly he could connect into internet.
>          I would also be interrested in information on regular BBS's
>          that carry nets such as Fido, ILink, IntelecNet etc.
>          If anyone out there can answer these questions, I would
>          appreciate a note.
>          Later.
> 
> 
> ........................................................................
> .  From: Christian Laferriere                  .                       .
> .        Synapse BBS                           .     __.               .
> .        Gatineau, Quebec, Canada              .    -\<,               .
> . email: christian.laferriere@synapse.isis.org .   (*).(*) .... Chris  .
> ........................................................................
> 
> 
> ---
>  . TLX v1.50 . Modems.....reach out and BYTE someone!
>                                                                                


Well, if he is attending a University, then he can connect to internet via
the Uni. Also, most BBS's carry some newsgroups from INTERNET. The last
option, would be to use a public Unix Access site, but they are very rare
in OZ.

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
From: mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: 3 questions.
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:17:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University

In article <38627@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> sgaudio@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Precision Human) writes:
>1) what does "skipping unavailable article" mean?

The article was either cancelled or expired.

>2) what is Freenet?

A public-access site with access to USENET.

>3) what was my third question?

It was "where can I find out answers to all my other Frequently Asked
Questions."  The answer is news.announce.newusers and news.answers.

marshall
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From: dlittle@sscvx1.ssc.gov (DENNIS LITTLE)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: 2 questions
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I've had Usenet access for quite some time, but until recently haven't had
Internet access and have a few questions.  Firstly, how do you go about
starting an anonymous FTP (ie, what id/password combination and correct
commands when logged in) and second, I know what a FAQ is but I'm not sure
how to go about getting them... Where do I look, are the e-mailed or FTP'ed etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

me
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: schwarte@CS.ColoState.EDU (eric schwartz)
Subject: .tar files and batch files
Summary: HELP!!! with .tar and batch files
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 20:54:42 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Well, I got the source code for a cool program (Nethack 3.0) via anonymous ftp,
and got through the uudecode and the uncompress stages, and now I'm left with
21 Src#.tar files that I don't know what to do with. Can anyone help? also,
how can I write a UN*X batch file to take care of the resulting actions 
(I got tired of typing uudecode Src1.tar.Z.uu, uudecode Src2.tar.Z.uu, etc.)

thanx,
-Eric the Read
"I'll take care of it- for a nominal fee, of course."
schwarte@cs.colostate.edu

looking for a .sig
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Telix
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:46:54 GMT
Organization: negligable

A picky modem?
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