From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Federal Solution & Equality : Northern Cyprus vs. Southern Cyprus
Summary: Akritas Plan -Enosis-
Keywords: Enosis, Makarios, Vasiliu, EOKA, Akritas
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:36:09 GMT
Expires: January 1995

In article <C15A2M.2v7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:

>Indeed this is so.  Go back and try to remember when the Turkish Cypriots
>withdrew from the government.  Did anyone force them to leave?  What other
>actions did they take? They chose to leave in enclaves completely isolated

   I genuinely wonder what your IQ level is. There is only one word which
explains the source of Cyprus issue today. ENOSIS (union of Cyprus with 
Greece). That was what Greek Cypriots had in mind, and that was what Greek
Cypriots could not even achieve in 11 whole years, 1963-1974. And they keep
talking about the Cyprus issue today.

>from the Greek Cypriots, and they imposed that to as many members of their
>community as possible, admitedly not with the more democratic way.
>The actions of the groups VALKAN and TMT against fellow Turkish Cypriots

    You were fed with the wrong fodder as well Michali. TMT was Turkish 
Cypriot national defense organization, and it exists even today. It was
formed years after the Greek Cypriot terrorist organization EOKA was 
established in 1955, whose goal was to achieve ENOSIS. 

>have been well documented in many references dealing with the problem so 
>there is not a need for me to list any of them here.

    Oh really? May I ask for a single unbiased reference at least? 


>What kind of a transitional goverment can be formed with 40000 Turkish soldiers>in northern Cyprus. 

    Excuses, excuses... This is the same mentality behind the Enosis claims.
"We don't want it but if we get the chance, sure, why not" attitude. If 
a solution is to be found, a transitional government is a MUST, got it?
    Just remember the recent statements of the Turkish Prime Miniter, Mr.
Demirel. "Give me a single guarantee that there will not be a gun shot 
in Cyprus anymore and I will withdraw all the Turkish soldiers tomorrow."
Ghali and Vassiliou were both caught off guard and they both chickened out.
Because none of them was brave enough to show a "single guarantee" to the 
world.

>Turkey is notorious for violating cease-fire agreements
>in order to establish her strategic positions.  As a hint I am mentioning that
>most of the occypied part of Cyprus came under the control of the turkish forces
>which violated not a single one (1) cease-fire agreement but three (3) in the
>period between 23 July and 15 August 1974.

    What a joke! When the Turkish soldiers came to Cyprus to save the 
Turkish Cypriot people from the barbaric attacks of the Greek/Greek 
Cypriot palikaria, they were stationed in a small strip of land that was 
only 3%. Of course you  hoped that they would stay and not move. There
were intensive negotiations going on at the same time none of which 
produced the satisfactory results due to the sheer greed of the Greek 
Cypriot side. Meanwhile, the Turkish Cypriot people of three villages
Aloa, Sandallaris and Maratha were being barbarically slaughtered, and 
buried into mass graves alive. And you shamelessly expected the Turkish
soldiers to stand still. How shameless, how moronic! The Turkish Soldiers
were more than welcome and they were hugged in every single Turkish village
they entered. They brought the peace and freedom to Cyprus, and the most
important of all, they brought the independence to the Turkish Cypriots.
Call it invasion, call it occupation but no matter what you say, they 
bruoght PEACE to Cyprus. There has not been any gun shot, killing,or 
mass graves ever since. And if their goal was 'invasion' as you put it,
they would have walked to Larnaca and Limassol before you would even feel
it. 


>If Turkey had agreed to withdraw the occupation forces which would have been 
>replaced by UN troops, of course we would have agreed on the formation of 
>a transitional government. 

    UN Troops! The joke of the month! Listen Michali, UN troops are nothing
more than Tourist Troops, got it? Especially in the case of Cyprus, they
enjoy the sun and the water, and get a good tan throughout the year. These
kids have no idea where Cyprus is, if you ask them, and worse yet, their
brains are washed with the Greek Cypriot fake propaganda the day they 
arrive in Cyprus. And you expect them to keep peace in Cyprus. They cannot
even prevent a few Greek Cypriot women who adventurously attempt to cross 
the border into Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus every year. They can't
even prevent them, and you expect them to prevent fights and killings.

>The status quo should not be considered as the basis of the negotiations for
>the problem,simply because it was created by violation of international law
>and human rights.

   Bologna! The Greek Cypriot leadership has absolutely no concept of 
the human rights that you are trying to spell. 

>What you and your community now occupy does not belong to 
>you and should be returned to its legal owners.

   You sound like a kid whose toy has been taken from him. Keep whining!

>Land and home are the most valuable things for a Greek, I do not want to 

   Same for Turkish Cypriots. But their lives are more important. Thousands
of Turkish Cypriots were made refugees by the Greek Cypriot Palikaria three
(3) times in their own homeland. So don't try to make it a one sided issue.

>generalize but from your position on the subject it does not look to be the
>same for you too.  It is impossible for me to believe that Turkish Cypriots 
>from south Cyprus wouldn't want to return to THEIR homes and land rather than

    In fact some do, but they prefer Freedom, Security, Independence and
Sovereignty to all other options. Good enough?

>Maybe this is the reason for which the Turkish authorities keep bringing
>emigrants from Turkey in the occupied areas.

    You have laid a duck egg this time. Oh well!

>Do you know what Makarios said to Brigadier Ioannides, the fascist who later 
>ruled the military junta in Greece, when he came to him with a plan for
>exterminating "that terrible enemy of Hellenism" from Cyprus, in 1967(?) ?

     No, do you mind repeating it?

>Well, he did not have much to say, other than that such an  inhuman action was
>against all his principles. 

    Lip service!

>I'll try to find the exact words of Makarios and post them in the near future.

   Go, dig his stone grave in Kyyko Monastery at your next convenience...

>Michalis Syrimis
>University of Illinois
>Urbana-Champaign
 
Cheers,
Okan Baysan

-- 
  "Unless this small Turkish Community -forming a part of the Turkish race
   which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism- is expelled from Cyprus,
   the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
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