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From: chri4000@w252zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Christian Klass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Sun Comics and Blue Sky Blue "Nestrobber"
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:53:24 GMT
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
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>Another complaint (aside from not flipping a lot of english-language
>text) is the number of ads in issues 3-4 of Ragnarok Guy.  I counted 14
>full pages, out of a total of 32, that were ads (and all from the same
>"company").  Paying $2.50 for a poor quality item printed in Mexico with
>only 18 pages of story?  C'mon, be serious.

Hello Chris,
I almost wanted to rip apart that Ragnarok Guy crap (sorry for that). Well
the story of Ragnarok Guy is quite interesting, but for the ads..... AAAARGH!

>I did appreciate that the four Raika issues that came out had (at max in
>one issue) no more than 4 pages of ads.  I wish that Toren Smith had
>gotten his hands on this title as he wished that he could've (said so at
>WonderCon last year).  It would've been a much higher quality set-up,
>IMHO.

Yep,
if they had done the same thing to Raika, which I absolutely love, I would
have gone berserk. But luckily, there were only a few ads. 

Greetings...
            Chris (no it's not YOU Chris, it's ME ;-> )
From: lhlee@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Lesfeena Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: LD and CD for sale
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:06:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I have the following stuff for sale:

LD:

1. Madara I 
            (Comes with two original cels from the OAV, complete
             the original pencil drawings)
         Japanese Price: Y9800
         on sale for $90.00 plus postage

2. Madara II
            (Comes with a special booklet, which includes info on
             the series, the characters, staff interviews and a
             side story manga on the series.)

          Japanese Price: Y9800
          On sale for $90.00 plus postage

Both disc are in excellent condition.  For those who are interested
in buying the set, I can sell the set for $170.00 plus postage.

CD:

1. Cipher the music
           (soundtrack to the OAV, "Cipher the Video")

           on sale for $10.00 plus postage

For those who are interested, please e-mail me.

thank you
Yuki
From: kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Appleseed...too old?
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:54:02 GMT
Organization: sumax city 0092

In article <By5Av3.n0H@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> a2chao@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Allen Chao) writes:
>	Speaking of which, does anyone know if there's a graphic novel of #4
>in English? (Perhaps by Eclipse?  DarkHorse?) ...or if 4.3 (Eclipse no
>Appleseed) is around?

well, since many people ask I might as well post, you can find many
back issues of manga title comic in Nikaku (surprise!)  they stock up 
many Viz, Eclipse, Dark Horse titles, regualr comic store don't much
care for independent, and you usually have to special order those things.
you can still find many 'old' things in Nikaku, and it is the only 
place that I know had all three English Akira compilations. 

and no, there is not an English Appleseed #4, and 4.3 Eclipse is around,
you just have to look for them, (like Nikaku)

enough ad for that place, address and phone # in manga/anime resource guide.


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From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Re:      Re: Fall of the Kadokawa Empire
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:28:41 GMT


So does this means that a $18-billon yen corp. will fall..Doubt.
Mind you, styles will change radically, but other manga/anime companies
wil be more than willing to squeeze more profits out of now-frustrated-and-
popular artists and story writers..

But who knows? Like the fall of AT&T, other small companies could actually
expand and give us better quality that ever!

Just observations
Jyanken
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Manga for THE SPIRIT OF WONDER?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:19:34 GMT


I got the OVA for this yesterday.  Very imaginative
story and rather unique character designs.

Now, someone told me that this is based upon a series of stories that
appeared in DRAGON magazine (or at least, that's how I understood it).
Is there a compilation of such stories?
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From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Re: Kodansha: r.a.m cares.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:43:17 GMT


It's kinda strange..Informally, yu can ask any bi-lingual person to help
translate certain points of manga/anime as you read/watch them..In fact,
you can write an entire translation down on sheets of paper so you don't
forget the translations..However, this is all informal...

Post any translation like the above on the USEnet is liable, and you are set
up for a racous cornjob. Is that to assume that USEnet and the use of it is
for all intensive purposes a formal atmosphere and that all that is said here
should be non-trivial?

Or can it be that because these informal translations are now being sent to
a place more formal than Usenet (aka the publishers) that now any translation
that is written is now formal and therefore liable? I feel this to be a
question of great importance to this anime/manga community, as this seems
another example of how the Japanese businessman once again has only short-term
yen in his head and not the traditional, long-term idea that possibly
creating a market that spans the globe, instead of the island, will forever
be more enjoyable..(WIth great respects to the master, Osamu Tezuka)

Jyanken
From: micro19@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (A Techno-Discordian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Appleseed...too old?
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:44:12 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

In article <9211221358.aa00300@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> dlo@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
>Could someone please tell me what the comics are about in relation to the anime? I've only seen one or two of the graphic novels and because they weren't #1's
>I didn't buy them.  I want to collect them all but is Appleseed so old that
>getting them all would be an impossibility?  BTW what's Eclipes Comic's number?
>Thanks in advancd
>Dick

Appleseed the comic is a complicated story that can really be fitted into the
length of an anime.  As a result, I felt that Appleseed the anime was very
weak (I also can't understand Japanese).

The comic is not really that hard to find.  Even if you can't find it, you can
probably get the graphics novel relatively easily (at least in my area any way).
Xref: sparky rec.arts.manga:1641 alt.manga:2284
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Dojinshi
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:28:06 GMT

In article <-1363888308snx@izumi.DIALix.oz.au>, michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:
> 
> Were the manga actually done by Japanese, or by someone at Antarctic
> and written in Japanese? The issue didn't make this very clear.

The former.  These are actual dojinshi stories, translated to English.

> I don't want to put down western attempts at introducing this sort of
> thing, but I think it should have been done "american". Do a proper
> dojinshi, with american artists doing the "dojinshi" thing, and I think
> it'd be more "relevant" and appealing.

They just want to give US exposure to whatever dojinshi they like,
not make their own.

BTW, there is no difference between the "dojinshi" concept and the
American "fanzines".  Except that using existing characters is usually
considered a "no-no" over here, for the most part.
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Date: 22 Nov 92 23:09:39 EST
From: Howard Tom <76366.2125@compuserve.com>
Subject: Narumi Kakinouchi, part 2
Apparently-To: <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

	First off, my thanks to everybody who tossed in their answers to
help me  out. That includes C Ma, Iain Sinclair, Albert wang, Titus Hsu,
Kunio Muto and Paul Aoki.

	I ended up buying the VPM manga and the "New VPM" volume as well,
sight unseen, and am quite impressed with the artwork and story. The NVPM
volume did come with a band around the cover advertising her other works
from Akita Shoten, and I note that there is something listed as a "Comic
Novel" of VPM. Does anyone know exactly what this format is like?

	Lastly, was Codename: Charmer one of her first works?

					Howard Tom
				(76366.2125@compuserve.com)
From: kuo@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chih-Ping Kuo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Patlabor #16
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:51:19 GMT
Organization: sumax city 0092

In article <2B06C409.13848@ics.uci.edu> rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken) writes:
>Actually Patlabor latest manga introduced to me the main target: Goto.

well, all is fine and dandy, but still, the whole book is just a set up
for the ending. Yuki did try to patch up things from the anime with the
introduction of the new HOS and Kanuka Clancy (that is #17), but still,
this is all set up.

all I am smelling is a manga artist doesn't want to let go a hit that
easily and quickly.

on top of the way he took vacation time.....

>My question: Will the manga in its steady pace be refering to the upcoming
>Patlabor movie, or setting-up for what we will see in the movie..

I use to think that the manga ending will refer to the way they end 
the fight w/ J-9 in the new OAV series, of course, that is before
they come out with the new movie idea.  consider how heavy they stress
the 'gulf experience' in NT interview.  it might be bloody.

>Jyanken

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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Manga gimmick
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:16:50 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

IMHO, y'know?

mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High) writes:

>Twilight-X - hm. though Joe's artwork style is quite simplistic, it kinda
>  grows on you.  I really wish this title was selling a hell of alot
>  beter than it is now.

My problem with it (Note- MY) is that it tends to swing between "cute" and
"serious" very quickly, and so it's hard sometimes for me to get a handle
on what's happening properly.  The art is fine, though.  I look forward to
his getting confident and experimental.

>A-OK - is anyone else out there surprised at how *good* this title is?
>  It's not great - I grant you, but it sure is alot better than I
>  expected.  I recall this guys artwork in an earlier issue of NHS
>  Yearbook - he's improved tremendously.  I really hope this series goes
>  beyond the four issues it is slated for.

I'm surprised I liked it as well.  Very NHS *derivative* but that's what the
punters want.  I suppose you can't go wrong with a "boy meets girls" theme
anyway.  The art is clean and direct.  Great art.

I didn't mind _Zetramen_ too much, but I came in on the second ish of 
_Hitomi_ and found it very confusing.  I don't know whether getting the
first would help.  He's a good artist (his name escapes me for the moment)
but here it adds to the confusion.  I'm still buying anyway (it might come
together at the end.)
)
>BTW, folks, Ben Dunn will be on internet very shortly, just as soon as
>  a few bugsare worked out.  We were on earlier tonight, prowling around...
>  (ever get the feeling you're being watched? :-))

I dunno...  There are just as many "Not BD fans" as there are "BD fans"...
hope Ben's got his Asbestos woolens on.  Nah, shouldn't happen.  I like to
think that r.a.m. readers aren't vindictive.  (Not like some people on the
r.a.a. - oh meyooooooow!)

>Cheers,
>  - net.spy!

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From: v124m9k6@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian M Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Otoku Juku
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41





     One of the inserts in a back issue of a Shonen Jump I was lucky
to get had an insert showing cards for a series called Otoko Juku.
Was this a manga or animated series?  Any information will be helpful.


Brian.
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Date: 16 Nov 92 22:38:40 EST
From: Howard Tom <76366.2125@compuserve.com>
Subject: Narumi Kakinouchi
Apparently-To: <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

	Does anyobdy know exactly what else Narumi Kakinouchi has done
besides the Vampire Princess Miyu and Yui series? For example, I have an
old issue of Anime-V (March 1991, I think) that spotlighted an upcoming
OAV titled "Codename: Charmer" and her character designs were
unmistakeable, but this one may never have actually been released. In any
case, my question is still about the manga work...

					Howard Tom
				(76366.2125@compuserve.com)


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From: hsu@ecf.toronto.edu (HSU TITUS HENG-HSUEH)
Subject: Re: Narumi Kakinouchi
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:48:16 GMT

In article <rec.arts.manga.921117033839_76366.2125_EHJ44-2@CompuServe.COM> Howard Tom <76366.2125@compuserve.com> writes:
>	Does anyobdy know exactly what else Narumi Kakinouchi has done
>besides the Vampire Princess Miyu and Yui series? For example, I have an
>old issue of Anime-V (March 1991, I think) that spotlighted an upcoming
>OAV titled "Codename: Charmer" and her character designs were
>unmistakeable, but this one may never have actually been released. In any
>case, my question is still about the manga work...
>
As far as I know, she also did something called 'Moon Princess'.


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From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Subject: Re: Narumi Kakinouchi
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.074314.2248@sfc.keio.ac.jp> s92458km@msr.mei.co.jp (Kunio Muto,79204584,12) writes:
>
>Hi. It's the kunedog once again.
>
>In article <rec.arts.manga.921117033839_76366.2125_EHJ44-2@CompuServe.COM>
>76366.2125@compuserve.com writes:
>
>>> 	Does anyobdy know exactly what else Narumi Kakinouchi has done
>>> besides the Vampire Princess Miyu and Yui series? For example, I have an
>>> old issue of Anime-V (March 1991, I think) that spotlighted an upcoming
>>> OAV titled "Codename: Charmer" and her character designs were
>>> unmistakeable, but this one may never have actually been released. In any
>>> case, my question is still about the manga work...
>
>	I think she did Moon Princess or something like that.... I
>believe it's out in Newtype 100% series... .but once again, I'm not
>that sure... she's more well known as an illustrator, I think...
>
>
>
>				The kunedog (s92458km@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
>				Freshman, Keio Univ. SFC. 
>				Faculty of Policy Management 


 I am quite sure that the manga "Codename wa Charmer" has released a long
time ago already, in at least 2 volumes.  


Chibi

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From: umsitho0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Hai Choon Sithoo)
Subject: Vampire Princess Yui
Summary: Describe Yui
Keywords: critique
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: all
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:38 GMT

Ok....so Yui is Miyu's long lost sister.Geez...I don't want to tick anyone off,especially
since I have never picked up Vampire Princess Yui, so can I get some feed back in regard to
what VP Yui is like.

Personally I think the introduction of a sister waters down the concept of Miyu. Miyu's
special quality was the fact that she was all alone in the world, the heavens, and the
darkness. Except for Larva, her sole companion of the last 30 years, Miyu was alone.But hey!
Now she has a little sis'! YAY!

Anyway I just hope someone out there can prove me wrong since I am always looking for great
story lines.
From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Fall of the Kadokawa Empire
Date: 20 Nov 1992 11:01:03 GMT
Organization: (no part of Kadokawa, but.....)
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov20.072106.15233@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
>
>
>	Fall of Kadokawa Empire
>
>	Japanese weekly magazine Bungei Shunjyuu 11/13 issue reported the 

  [ ;_; stuffs deleted]

Having pre-paid subscriptions to Comp magazine, I have but one thing to say...

"KANE KAEZEEEEeeee!!!"


Now if Kodansha could take advantage of this situation (ie. get Elementalor 
onto Afternoon) I'll buy some of their stocks right now.

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From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Re: Patlabor #16
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:41:29 GMT


Actually Patlabor latest manga introduced to me the main target: Goto.

Goto during the plot states that with the HOS system installed (no bugs
we hope), the Ingram is undefeatable; a lure Utsumi can't resist..So
Patlabor, in its traditions, sets-up this elaborate setting for "the big
battle" with the humor and character chemistry..Like Noa's and Asuma's
relationship becoming more unstable (P.Manga 15 threw me for a loop..)
and in P.Manga 16, the set-up is complete with the Griffon ready to go,
Matsui and associate being introduced yet again (they always show up when
something bad is going to happen..) and Kumagami ready to make up for
lost time with a certain Richatd Wong..with a vengence!

My question: Will the manga in its steady pace be refering to the upcoming
Patlabor movie, or setting-up for what we will see in the movie..

Headgear has a knack for this type of stuff, otakus that they are..
(No disrespect intended..)
Jyanken

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From: isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.manga: Manga Guide Part 1/2
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:20:53 GMT

> CLAMP is composed of 6 talented ladies and each member has her own specialty.

Chotto matte, are you sure it's 6 _ladies_?
I once read the post production to one story and there was at least 1
gentleman, if not two -- unless one or two ladies dressed like men. 
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From: whelal@engr.UVic.CA (Wael  Helal)
Subject: Re: Appleseed...too old?
Reply-To: whelal@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:11:41 GMT

In article aa00300@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu, dlo@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU () writes:
>Could someone please tell me what the comics are about in relation to the anime? I've only seen one or two of the graphic novels and because they weren't #1's
>I didn't buy them.  I want to collect them all but is Appleseed so old that
>getting them all would be an impossibility?  BTW what's Eclipes Comic's number?
>Thanks in advancd
>Dick


Nope Appleseed is still around I saw three of the graphic novels just yesterday in two different comic shops.

whelal@engr.UVic.CA
(Wael Helal)

(Wael Helal)

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From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
Subject: Appleseed 5?
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:22:32 GMT


Has anyone heard anything about Appleseed 5?

I saw the (proposed) artwork for the cover in Intron Depot, but I haven't seen
anything flow through this group in quite some time on Shirow Masamune or any
of his upcomming projects.

If some of our kind net users in Tokyo could give us any reports of recent
"Shirow Sightings", It would greatly help out all of us Shirow addicts here in
the states... ^_^
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:16:31 PST
From: Jeff Siegel <7100P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject:      Re: Fall of the Kadokawa Empire
To: MANGA FANS! <rec-arts-manga@darwin.sura.net>

The Kadokawa CI$ post was by Yoshitaka Ishigami, a Japanese fan living
in Japan and who is regular poster on CI$.  The post is his summary of the
article and contains some of his own feelings and observations (at least
the last paragraph).


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From: cstewart@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Appleseed...too old?
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:21:16 EDT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

PUMA! to all you Random Accesss Manga  types.

Applessed 4 is complete but the Graphic nivel is not out yet.
As I mentioned before Appleseed 4 books are sitting in a box at RangeLine here.
Contact me and I'll put the  stats in your mailbox.

PUMA!

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         "Right now, on the Net, I'm the Main IAC..."In article <By5Av3.n0H@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, a2chao@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Allen Chao) writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.231141.22270@sol.UVic.CA> whelal@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>
>>Nope Appleseed is still around I saw three of the graphic novels just yesterday in two different comic shops.
>>
> 	Speaking of which, does anyone know if there's a graphic novel of #4
> in English? (Perhaps by Eclipse?  DarkHorse?) ...or if 4.3 (Eclipse no
> Appleseed) is around?
> 
> 
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