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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave Hanie for C= Chairman of Board of Diretors! was Re: LET'S RESC
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:36:32 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu 30 Jul 92  9:21, Mike_whalen@agwbbs.new-Orleans.la.u
wrote:

 MO>   You know, a friend of mine reminded me of something yesterday.

 MO>   Way back in version 1.0 of WorkBench, there was a credit screen (or
 MO> did
 MO> he say it was KickStart).. 
Workbench. Not credits, secret messages. As i recall you got 'em by holding
down both shifts, both Amigas, and a function key.

 MO>   Anyway, he said that at a certain point in the credits, it said the
 MO> something like "Amiga.. the Computer for the Future.." He told me
um, s-s-a-A-f10 i think: "Amiga, born a champion"
 MO> that at
 MO> the point if you pull out the disk (which is hard to do he says
 MO> considering
 MO> you have to hold down the mouse button as well and pull out the
 MO> disk).. you
Your nose works well if it's not too soft and if you can still see the
monitor with your face by the drive. :-)
 MO> would quickly see, "But Commodore fucked it up."
That's about it...
I can't remember the messages (or the method of getting them) exactly. It's
been a long time since i could slap kickstart 1.0 into the 1000 and check
out the secret messages.

The Guide has this to say about Commodore Management: A bunch of jerks
who'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,rec.video.production
From: derek@osc.edu (Derek Bolski)
Subject: Re: The future of the Amiga is clear
Keywords: PEROT for President
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:28:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.040005.24247@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>
>	This message is crossposted to rec.video.production and 
>comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. Why? So you video buffs can comment on any mistakes
>I may make, and so that we can follow up all the inevitable flames to my email
>address or advocacy.
>
>
>	People seem to think that CBM was slow in moving into the multimedia
>market that it boasted about for the past seven years. Well, in the past few
>months, I have seen Amiga coverage on a steady climb in numerous video and
>computer graphics magazines. Just today I saw that three more Amiga dealers
>moved into the video magazines, and a few more Amiga third party hardware and
>software developers also moved in. 

One of the latest Byte issues had an article favorizing Amiga and VideoToaster
with AmiLink as the best editing suit for professionals (in comparison to
Mac or PC based). Interestingly enough, It stated that Midi software (Bars&
Pipes Professional) was providing more powerful control over sound that
other sequencers software for Macintosh!

>
>	It is now clear that the Amiga has presented itself as an inexpensive
>and efficient tool for graphics and video production. No matter how many
>times people claim that the Amiga will not survive in the US, it IS achieving
>a niche in the video market n the United States. 

Just before I ended my work as Systems Manager for Amiga Lab at OSU we managed
to expand the Lab by 10 Amigas A3000 (and one Mac). 
More and more Computer Graphics students plan on getting Amiga.
As we have both ( Macs and Amigas) to compare, in real video/graphics work, seeing them doing real work helps to choose Amiga over Mac.
(we tend to agree that the best SGI setup is the one with VT attached to it,
as suggested by Video Systems :-) 

>I think the next year will be quite exciting in the video arena.

So do I.

>      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN   

Dariusz Bolski
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:25:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.183825.7968@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

[Argues game consoles need RGB monitors, adds 300 for the "CD-ROM"...]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with having game consoles using NTSC. TV's
are inexpensive and you get large screens which allows you to sit rather
far from the set. You aren't DTP'ing on the SNES. In any case I really
like crisp computer monitors for work. I also like using my SNES and CDTV
on a S-VHS TV.

Your $300 price for the "CD-ROM" may be off by $100 in the case of SNES,
but much more importantly for $300 you get a computer CD-ROM (a market
which has never been a success) while $200->$300 will get you a CD-I
SNES based system, and that is something to consider.

People want things attached to their TV's. Few want computers. Less than 1/4
of the population even has a computer, and most of these are gathering dust.

[ ]
>
>This is the basic problem of consoles... sure they can produce a cheap
>CPU that can do all sorts of neat tricks... but, if they want serious
>power, they have to add costly peripherials.

No you don't. That's the trojan horse of SNES's CD-I system.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:57:36 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Jul23.123553.26673@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.020111.8441@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>>   Commodore controls the sources to the OS.  Commodore controls the layouts
>>>and internal specs for thecustom chips.  Without both of these, no Amiga
>>>clones are possible.

>   Yes, and the Newer Technology portable is $2000 for a mono LCD 'A500'
>portable, and the Rejuvinator board is $600 for just the Fatter Agnus and
>ECS Denise.  It should be clear even to you that if a company is going to
>have any hope of making a viable Amiga clone price competitive with Amigas
>made by Commodore, they will have to make the custom chips themselves.  
>Otherwise, the clones would end up being 2-3 times the price of exactly the
>same machine made by Commodore.  Some clone.
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>-----------------------------------------------------

	There is a big difference between 'no Amiga clones are possible' and
'a viable Amiga clone price competitive with Amigas'. You said them both
yourself. It is the first statement that I disagree with, although I also
disagree with the second.

	Obviously, any moron, including me, knows that an A500 clone is more
expansive if you have to buy the clone and the A500. Duh.
	But what about an A3000 clone, or an A2000 clone? CBM has no
competitive prices on these machines. $1700 for an A2000HD, while a similar
HiQ Tower or other expansion bay costs only $600 or so, without the A500
motherboard tacked on...totallin $1000 or so. $700 less. Cheaper. Price
competitive. What a clone.


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:36:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>Jerry - the Amiga OS has had the SAME potential you describe (i.e. 32 bit apps)
>for almost 8 years and look where that has gotten us Amiga users.  Not very
>far, in other words.  If people "learned" potential, the Amiga would have
>sold 50 Million machines by now - especially the A3000.
>

Absolutely.  Remember, the people that write negative-to-mixed OS/2 reviews
are the same people that wrote off the Amiga a long time ago.  What's funny
is that Amigoids bash these reviewers when they put down the Amiga, and quote
them when they put down OS/2.

>
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:45:46 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Jul30.095149.847@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Jul29.231420.20061@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>make making gate array chips almost trivial).  Just about the only chip that
>>is really anything special in the A3000 is the Amber display enhancer chip.
>
>Tell me _anything_ that is then special in a PC or Mac ? Nothing ? Right.
>The most exciting thing in a PC is the motherboard chipset which is nothing
>more complex than the gate arrays in the A3000. The most exciting thing
>in a MacIIfx is the 6502-alike that handles keyboard I/O.

You may be right that there is nothing special about a bare-bones Mac or PC
when compared to an A3000.  But consider the special things that can be
added to the Mac or PC that are either not available or are too expensive
for the A3000.  As nice as the A3000 may be, its potential has been wasted
due to C='s neglect.  

If it were possible to represent the Amiga in a suit to divorce it from C=,
I'd gladly chip in for the legal fees.

>Regards,
>-- 
>Michael van Elst
>UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:11:33 GMT

In article <haley.712307619@unixg.ubc.ca>, haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross MacGregor) writes:
> Oh boy, Commodore speaks. Big yawner folks. I guess i was hoping to hear

gibberish deleted ...

> Wait a sec.  Was this just a joke?  Of course, why would C= attack some
> reporter when half its developers are jumping ship
                ^^^^

Of the hundreds of developers, which ones are jumping? A/C's Guide to the 
Amiga has more listings of hardware and software every issue. Every major
piece of software I own has gone through one or two major upgrades in the
last year. I am truly curious to know the names of the developers that are 
bailing out.

	David

	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: AmigaDroids will *never* change
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:31:35 GMT

In <BrpwD7.M0t@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:
>Anyone running a full fledged Unix system with X11R5 and Open Look
>or Motif running will undoubtedly consider 32 MB of RAM quite
>nominal.

That depends on the machine. A Sparc will need 16MB for OpenWindows
to feel happy plus the memory you need for your apps.
A Sun-3 can run OpenWindows in about 10MB and X11R5 in <8MB.
A DECstation should have more than 24MB (with the lack of shared libraries
the executables grow quite large).

Regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What *is* a peecee, really.
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:16:04 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA


>>>> Maybe the vapor is nitrous oxide (laughing gas)?                  
>>                                                                     
>>>    Actually, I think that's "nitric oxide".                        
>>                                                                     
>>OK, Marc, the next time you go to the dentist insist on nitric oxide.
>>Accept no substitutes!                                               
                                                                       
>Don't be so cynical.                                                  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                  
>Marc Barrett                                                          
                                                                       
Ha. You should talk, Marc.                                             


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:59:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
>AmigaOS was designed to be a fast, compact, and as close to real-time
>OS as possible.
>

The fact that MP can't be done on a bare 68000 also *might* have had
something to do with it.

>
>Anyone used to its good response time would be very
>disappointed with its slowed reactions in a memory protected environment.
>

Oh, this is BS.  How much would it slow down the machine?  5%?  You wouldn't
even notice that.  A slightly faster CPU would take care of the difference
and then some.

>
>Seconds of all, applications presently would break, period, under
>memory protection.  It simply is not an option under the current AmigaOS
>layout.
>

You should have said so in the first place.  Sheesh, multitasking can't be
added to MS-DOS, so they call it "braindead"; memory protection can't be
added to AmigaDOS, so they call it "a design decision".  Give me a break.

>
>Memory protection is nice to have...I certainly enjoy it under 
>large systems I have developed on.  As of yet, however, I have not seen an
>implementation on a smaller system which did not noticably affect system
>performance, in some cases annoyingly.
>

Oh please.  Name an OS which has been implemented both with and without
memory protection on the same machine.  That would be the only way to make a
fair comparison.  I'll tell you one thing, though -- SVR4 runs a hell of a lot
faster on my 386 than did Minix, and guess which one has MP?

>
>             LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
>
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave Hanie for C= Chairman of Board of Diretors! UE T
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:14:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Sorry, but I disagree with what the title has to say.

Don't get me wrong, Dave, I think you are a very smart person.  Nonetheless,
if Dave were to become the Chairman of C=, he would be spending all his
time doing other stuff... (like flying to the Bahamas or whatnot 8)
and he would not have time to build neat toys for us Amiga-fans.   8)

:) :) :) ;) :)
Kelvin
(email: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:23:34 GMT

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
: Did someone just post that Skip was Jesus and he wrote the Koran?
: 
: Man...I wonder how long before THIS shows up on GEnie, FIDO (arf!),
: and the rest?

Probably in another three days, when he posts that he just got out of
a little cave where he'd been buried.  Of course, there are his twelve
disciples, the other members of the TKKC...  ;)  They'll vouch for
him...

Greg

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:06:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.204129.14618@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>
>>Ever try something simple like having two DOS sessions run the dir command
>>simultaneously?  Do both session scroll at once?

>Yes.

Not quite. With both dos windows set to background task and of equal
priority you can easily see Windows switching between the two to
allow them to scroll. First one scrolls a few lines, stops and the
other dos window scrolls a few lines then stops....etc...etc.

the granularity of the windows task switcher is not very fine.

>
>>
>>John G. Ata
>>
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>|    ... In rhythm! |     (617) 890-2888    |              -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:49:40 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul29.172623.25008@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> You are right that I don't like Commodore, but I do like the Amiga.  It is
> the frustration with the state of the Amiga that generates articles like
> this and the resulting mayhem.
>

Commodore Sucks.  The Amiga is good.

Where are you Ethan Solomita?  I'm comin' to join you.  Along with a
mass exodus in the making.

--
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet (Teddy Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany

In article <kehlet.05la@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>, kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.230549.16315@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>> 
>> Quid pro quo, it would only be fair for CBM to enter into such an agreement
>> with the intention of incorporating the Alpha chip into future Amiga
>> platforms... adding VMS and Windows NT support would add considerably to the 
>> existing software base :).
>
>Think of it as a rumour -- should it come true, why would it be CBM getting
>DEC's technology?  VMS maybe, but still that is an outdated system, that
>has been patched on for the last god-knows-how-many years...


You mean the Amiga would FINALLY get virtual memory?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

>
>Windows/NT isn't that great an OS to put into any other machine than the
>Intel-based, so why bother?
>
>Sounds more like it could be some agreement on production lines or
>something like that...  I'd like to see the VAX/VMS and the A3000/UX in
>some great new combination...  though I see it as a thing far, far away...
>
>
>> Mark
>
>-- 
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>
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