From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: GayBashing question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:01:16 GMT

yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

>In article <C0yHH3.5JD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>Let me put this another way.  When are you liberals gonna start screaming
>>about all the "White Bashing" that goes on every day?  NEVER.  Because
>>you believe white heterosexual men are the source of all evil and deserve
>>whatever we get.  I would wager that more white hetero men are victims of
>>hate murders than gays, although I can't substantiate this.  
>>
>>When I hear the ACLU standing up screaming at "White Bashers" I will 
>>then accede to the term "Gay Bashing" (which is stupid in the first place
>>since it should be called murder or attempted murder).
>>
>>Liberals love to label things to give them special status over non PC
>>issues.  White men get jack sh*t from you guys when we are victims of
>>discrimination in job quotas, hate murders, etc.

>Hey, when you get someone beating you around and calling you "fuckern lezzo
>bitch" (this hasn't happened to me - I'm recalling a friend's experience),
>talk to me.  

This might be kinda unlikely considering I'm a man.  

>When you get pack-raped by a bunch of ignorant guys because it will "teach
>ya what a real man can do", talk to me.
>When you get your guts kicked in and bashed to within an inch of your life,
>simply because you're gay, talk to me.

Gee.. why don't you give your little speech to a friend of MINE who was
beat to all hell because he was a white guy walking through Chicago.
Why don't you give your little speech to all the white guys down here
who were attacked last year, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE.  Funny thing
is, I don't seem to recall any attacks on gays in that same time period...
Hmm... could it be possible that *gasp* I'm right?  

>Meanwhile, don't start spouting about "us liberals".  In case you hadn't
>noticed, people are getting killed, for no other reason than who they are.

Are you stupid enough to think I WASN'T aware of this?  I'm gonna keep
"spouting" about you liberals until you wake up and see that the real
world doesn't fit into your little socialist ideal.  You believe that
the "special groups" don't ever do anything wrong.  This way you can feel
good when you accuse us "elitist white men" of racism, discrimination and
oppression.  

>Not because they have money.  Not because the killer knows and hates them
>(not that either of these are good reasons).  Simply because the victim was
>SEEN TO BE gay by the perpetrator. (Their sexual preference here really is
>irrelevant - the basher only has to think they're gay to initiate the
>bashing.)

What about people who are SEEN TO BE WHITE?  You are speaking in pure
hypocrisy here.  First of all, I have completely condemned hate crimes
against gays, I just wanna see my friends, us "white hetero source-of-all-
evil" folk, being defended with as much zeal as the "special folk" (Gays,
Blacks, Latinos, Women, Abortionists).  There are vast areas of habitation
in this country where white people SIMPLY CANNOT GO BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.
Why don't you address this fact?  Do you deny it? 

Consider also this little fact: It's a hell of a lot easier to hide the
fact that you're gay than to hide the fact that you're white.

>If someone walked up to you and kicked the shit out of you because you're a
>white straight male, you might speak differently about this.  You might
>even say something along the lines of "they have no right to hurt me in
>this way - they beat me up because I'm a straight white male.. I didn't do
>anything wrong".

>And you'd be right - they beat you up because they hated what you are...
>not who you are.  

>Question - how many times have you heard of a white person being beaten up
>while having something along the lines of "you fuckern white person, I hate
>all whiteys" yelled at them?

You exhibit CLASSIC liberal ignorance.  This happens ALL THE TIME.  It's
just not "media-worthy" because good ole "evil white boy" got what he
deserved.  You see, how can the LIBERAL media fight for the rights of Blacks 
and Latinos from discrimination if they actually show those same groups 
exhibiting the same racism they claim to be experiencing?  

>--
>Yvette Lian
>yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
>FIDO: 3:640/352 
>IRC nick: Maxine2

One final note:  I have acknowledged over and over the number of crimes
against gays... I have YET to see any of the liberals here acknowledging
the crimes against whites, or acknowledging the fact that we simply
cannot be seen in large urban areas because that is tantamount to commiting
suicide.



Have a nice, Politically Correct, day.


Edward Simmonds




From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:44:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Is the Roman Catholic Church APolitical?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA