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From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:   In defense of the Gores
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:39:40 GMT

ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes:

|I guess my general trouble with "rights" and the "right to free speech" is
|that the idea of a "right" is just so squishy. Where do these "rights"
|come from?

Come on, Erik, he's got to be pulling our legs.  A University student
(I'm praying to God that he's not a teacher at Brown) who doesn't know
that The United States of America's government was a reaction to English
rule which dates back to documents like the Magna Carta can't possibly
exist!

|since there are no "absolutes" we have to have guidelines and make marginal
|calls. I think that these guidelines should keep a careful eye on speech
|that is physically dangerous (e.g. leads to violence) against anyone.

If I saw you in person right now, it would not be my fucking speech
that would be physically dangerous :-)

ODC: you could see the Magna Carta right next to the original lyric
sheet for _I_Wanna_Hold_Your_Hand_ in the British Museum during the
day while waiting for the Grateful Dead to play Wembley Arena in October
1990.

Steve-TOO
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From: mwm@dbrus.Unify.Com (Michael Madigan)
Subject: Re: squaw valley tix
Keywords: squaw valley tix
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.223114.20515@u.washington.edu> jerryme@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Seifred) writes:
>
> I called BASS last Monday and they told me tickets would go on sale today,
> being Friday but they lied!  They said that they had no idea when tickets 
> would go on sale but it could be any day now.  Who knows.........
At the JGB show at Cal Expo they announced that Squaw is CANCELED,
due to fire and H2O worries.  Sorry for the bad news.....



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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re:   Free Speech/Tipper Gore/Argument by Intimidation
Keywords: Education?
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:12:53 GMT

In article <4175@prune.bbn.com> cherniac@bbn.com (Natasha Cherniack) writes:
>brown@sunspot.noao.edu writes:
>
>I beg your pardon, I did not 'get an education to get a job'.  I happened to
>be more interested in the science area than the liberal arts area and I saw
>no reason to spend 4 years studying something that didn't really excite me to
>do something that I didn't want to do for the rest of my life.  Opinions like
>that rank up there with "He/she is studying sociology, of course that's not a 
>real major..."
>
>Disclaimer:  If the smiley is intended for the whole sentance, then I 
>apoligize.  I interpreted the smiley to be intended for the length of time it
>took you to find a decent job.

No the smiley was intended for the getting a job part, as for the
other your intrest in science is to be commended, not much pay in
science or research these days, but it is also sad that a person can
get a degree from a university had have no concept of gov't or other
subjects which in create a person with a well rounded concept of
life, society, and the world and mans place in it throught history.

It used to be that the university education was to teach life as well
a specific subject matter of specialized interests, sorry if you need
my pardon, but just MHO:-)
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>> TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>> >brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
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From: jerryme@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Seifred)
Subject: Bob Wier tapes for 11-91
Keywords: lookingh for weir tape 11-91
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:41:24 GMT

  I'm looking for a tape of the Bob Weir show from Seattle last year (1991) in November.  Does anyone have a good copy?  Please email me at jerryme@u.washington.edu and we can make a deal.
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From: Doug Griffiths <dougg@fnma.com>
Subject: Re: East Coast
Reply-To: dougg@fnma.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:28:07 GMT

|
|Oh yeah, providence, pittsburgh (the city, that is), hampton, richmond,
|springfield (some wild shows there, eh?), the list goes on....


|Are these places that the band has actually been asked not to play at anymore,
|or just places they stopped playing. What is the reason ?

Richmond, VA - Banned by town council decree (which, by the way, might 
have been lifted last year around the time of the Hampton shows)

Columbia, MD - Banned by town council.  This now includes the JGB, but 
not Weir (see ya' Monday!)

Hampton - No such ban or stoppage of play!

Pittsburg - they are still allowed to play in Three Rivers, but under some
legal arrangements.


                  
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From: dwdennin@myfeet.Corp.Sun.COM (Doug Dennin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Veneta Tickets
Date: 24 Jul 1992 19:43:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: dwdennin@myfeet.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: myfeet.corp.sun.com


Hello !!

Could anyone tell me have they got Veneta tickets in Calif yet?

I've read that tickets were getting out,but not to me in the Bay Area! B^(

Anyone in the Bay Area get em yet??


Thanks alot


Doug

 



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From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: allman brothers hotline
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:42:23 GMT

Hi folks - I just called the ABB hotline (312-227-2177). They ask you
to send them your name, address & phone # on a postcard to: Little Fish
Graphics, 1345 W. Fletcher, Chicago ILL 60657. In return, they'll send
something back to you. Important: AUDIO TAPING IS ALLOWED AT ALL OF
THEIR SHOWS!!! So, you folks in Portland OR (7-30), Vancouver (7-31)
and Seattle (8-1) - drag them decks to the show PLEASE!!! There is a
more extensive tour itenerary listed starting for 8-14 for the East
Coast. Have fun, and let's get some of these shows on tape!
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From: Gerald E Vauk <gev28484@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Looking for BARTON FISKE
Reply-To: gev28484@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:57:09 GMT


Hey Now Barton, you are a leave under me in a tree - all the mail I send
to you at bcf8346@ultb.isc.rit.edu bounces.  Please get in touch with me 
at gev28484@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu.  Thanks!

Happy Cheese-
Jerry Vauk
:-)
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From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: GD Hour in Lansing MI
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:03:48 GMT

 
 WMMQ Lansing MI has new management and drops the program after last night's
 broadcast.
 
 We'll see if the local listeners have anything to say about this.
 

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf

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From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:23:44 GMT

In article <gfrxdhn@rpi.edu> armd@rpi.edu writes:
>Hey I have a few questions about our favorite group that some of you might be able to answer for me..
> 
>1)  What are the songs that the have never played in concert before??
Unbroken Chain     (Phil)
Pride of Cucamunga (Phil)
Rosemary [I think] (Jerry)

Can someone else name some more?
> 
>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)

>
>3)  Who is the singer on Unbroken Chain??
PHIL!

> 
>Thannks, in advance.
Your welcome, now :-)

-jg

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From: "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com>
Subject: Trail effects
Reply-To: gjp@virtech.vti.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:11:35 GMT

There was a message about HOW are the trails/colors added to the video
feed during the summer shows....

what trails??? ;^) ;^) ;^)

-- 
Greg Pryzby                                               uunet!virtech!gjp
Virtual Technologies, Inc.                                gjp@vti.com
Sterling, Virginia
Herbivores ate well cause their food didn't never run. -- Jonathan Fishman
From: ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:58:25 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Sorry for putting people who's only interest is in a 25+ year old rock and
roll band to sleep with all this political talk, but...

Eric Sewa: Do you honestly believe you have the *right* to yell obscenities
at passerbys? I doubt it. Thus, "free speech" is not an absolute right
(the presence of exceptions being proven).

I guess my general trouble with "rights" and the "right to free speech" is
that the idea of a "right" is just so squishy. Where do these "rights"
come from? The Constitution of the United States is the simplest answer,
but I don't believe the most correct. I doubt I would be contradicted if
I said that people had rights before the Constitution and have rights in
foreign countries, even where their governments do not provide for such
rights. I first ran into this problem when people were trying to convince
me that health care was a right, not a privilege. Well, I think health care
is important, and should be provided to all, but a "right"? I don't think
we were "endowed by our creator" with much beyond our naked, screaming
forms. Anything else we made. So where do these "rights" come from?
My opinion (which is open to change) is that these rights come from a
common understanding. We, as a society, have to make these choices. And
since there are no "absolutes" we have to have guidelines and make marginal
calls. I think that these guidelines should keep a careful eye on speech
that is physically dangerous (e.g. leads to violence) against anyone. I
might be willing to back off my original claim that Cop-Killers be removed,
because it may be a way of expressing dissatisfaction with our law
enforcement service (I have listened to it, but have not read the words:
can someone e-mail them to me?). However, the demeaning of women and the
advocacy of violence against them should not be tolerated. Period. We,
as a society, should make the choice that we don't wish young people, without
the faculties to understand what they are hearing and to make intelligent
choices, should not be exposed to that.

That's it....

Jordan
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Summary: uhhh...not quite
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:12:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23278
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <14hd7hINN88u@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes:

	Aside from all the other issues involved in a free speech debate, I think
	this is the most important thing to keep in mind: We must not let our
	opinions of whether or not Tipper Gore is a goody-goody, a righteous
	woman, or a fanatic to negatively [or positively]
	effect the aspirations of the Clinton/Gore ticket.

Agreed.  Whether you like or dislike Clinton or Bush,
their wives are not the issue.

	As far as free speech goes: We all agree it is not an *absolute* right.
	You cannot yell anti-semitic slurs in a synagogue

Yes you can.  I believe you shouldn't (to put it mildly), but you can.

	and I don't think that you should be able to advocate violence
	against women (2 Live Crew).

Unfortunately, the true test of freedom of speech is the acceptance
of the rights of others to hold and espouse the most loathsome and
execrable viewpoints.  While many of us find racism and sexism
repugnant, others may find flag burning or advocation of gay rights equally so.
You cannot protect our freedom of speech without also protecting theirs.

	I have the right to do something
	because I do it.

Huh?  I don't understand what this means.  If someone punches you out
because they don't like your looks, that's ok?

	A right is earned, not given. If you abuse it, it can
	be revoked.

Wrong.  You are describing a privilege, not a right.

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
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From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: PERSONAL TO ARTHUR MARIANO
Summary: Shorline 5-24-92 tape tree question
Keywords: Please excuse my ignorence
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:15:52 GMT

	Hey Arthur,

Please excuse my ignorance....but I am a bit confused as to what my next 
move is supposed to be.  I was chosen as a main branch on the tree and I
recieved your list.  Do I now; A) make a few requests off your list  B)
Send you a few tapes that you don't already have... or C) Wait here
in ignorence until you tell me what I should do.  Please Email me at
wac@world.std.com.  My outgoing mail was on the fritz this morn. hence the
personal posting.  You should have no prob. sending me mail though.  Eagerly
awaiting your responce...Rob C
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert.  Yuk!
Keywords: Dead-Heads, filthy, moronic, drugs, deplorable
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:44:32 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

You probably should have saved up your money and gone to 
that Phil Collins concert.  I heard it was really COOL! 
Maybe Michael Jackson, or Bruce Springsteen.  They're in 
the top 40 aren't they.  Lord help us if a band doesn't have
songs which rot the mind.

:-):-)
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  HOAX!! Re: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert.  Yuk!
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet

siskind@eos4.larc.nasa.gov (David Siskind)
|this appears to be an exact repost of an article
|put on the net about 4-5 years ago. I'm wondering how many netters remember
|this. At the time, I recall, it was unclear whether it was true. I suppose
|it may not be strictly a hoax, in the sense of a false story, but its pretty
|weird that "Joe Hack" decided to put this back on the net after 5 years. I
|guess he wantedto see how many people wouldn't remember!


Remember?  shit, most of them were still in jr. high school
4-5 years ago!  opps there i go responding to flame bait with
flames :-0
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: TicketBastards Article in City Paper (Wash DC)
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:00:04 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: cjpull

In article <1992Jul30.200647.25542@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com> writes:

...
>     But Grossweiner believes ticket services have improved the concert 
>     experience in other ways, namely by making it more convenient. 

This has been my perennial beef with Ticketmasher:
1) Is it convenient to have to wear an armband all night?
2) Is it convenient to have your early-staked-out place in line superceded
   by a lottery?
3) Is it convenient to call for an hour to be told that they don't know
   the seat assignments, and that it is just "the best"?
4) Is the value of the convenience proportional to the price of the ticket?
   In other words, am I getting more convenience buying a $45 Clapton ticket
   with a $5 charge than I am on a $8 local band at the Metro with a $1
   charge?

I'm normally against government interference in business, but these companies,
like utilities, cable TV, ought to have their rates regulated by the states at
the very least, especially as there is rarely competition (GDTS is one of the
few alternatives).

Joel
-- 
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
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From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry's ties
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:24:42 GMT
Organization: The Hopelessly Irreverent

In article <13165.2a77b6f8@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>I just saw an article this morning in the (conservative) Columbus newspaper
>The Columbus Dispatch about Jerry's new ties.

A recent article in the Miami Herald predicted that soon George Bush
would be opening a chain of sushi bars.  But then what do you expect
of a paper that keeps Dave Barry on staff!  Good grief Louise :-)

Gail
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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: Re: Train Lyrics
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:19:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

Tons of Steel is about a train

Also how about the Monkey and the Engineer?

c'ya
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
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From: elessar@physics.unc.edu (Shawn Mehan)
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Organization: Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, Univ. North. Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:33:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.062939.29957@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>  It's absolutely true- she sang like a crow and once Keith was asked to
>  leave (because he was a very sorry junkie) she had no real claim on
>  her position as resident honk n' screamer. 

once again, 'oh, horseshit...'

if she couldn't sing, why did she continue to sing with Jerry (Mystery Cats)?

****************************************************
elessar@physics.unc.edu		Swim with the flow
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From: "Brian J. Rupert" <0004903167@mcimail.com>
Subject: Re: Jerry's Birthday Bash
Reply-To: 0004903167@mcimail.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:01:02 GMT

 bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay) writes:
 >Dead-head friends tell me Solar Circus is a pretty good
 >Dead cover band,

"Pretty good" is an understatement!

Solar Circus usually plays 85-90% originals lately, and
have 2 CD's out on the Relix label (one live and one studio).
I've literally lost my head a number of times with the
jams that they get into! They are hot - if you haven't checked
them out - do so! Tickets bought in advance are $8.00 and at
the door are $12.00 - Check the Washington Post Weekend section
for more info.

----------
          BJR
          490-3167@mcimail.com
From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the perennial subject of donna and keith
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:01:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul30.144809.8312@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu> jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff) writes:

> In article <1992Jul30.025613.11135@seas.smu.edu quaglia@seas.smu.edu
>(Bruce Quaglia) writes:

(quoting me)

>>Bravo, wharfie.  Especially when the other guy -- the guy being flamed
>>-- has on several occasions claimed that his ... um ... "OPINIONS" are
>>the objective truth, & that anyone who disagrees with him (i.e. almost
>>everybody on r.m.gd, since he thinks that the Dead have not had a
>>single decent show since circa 1977, & maybe even 1970) is (and I
>>quote) "clueless."

>Oh well gee, "clueless"? If you really like Donna's singing, you might try
>checking out your average canine howling when the moon is full, because it
>bears remarkable similarities both in timbre and general intonation-
>although Donna would still be by far the louder of the two....You should
>get a clue. It isn't a matter of opinion- it is a question of poor
>vocal ability.

OK.  I confess.  Guilty as charged.  I admit I've never heard an
"average canine" howling at the moon.  What a sheltered life I've
lead :-)

And, since that means I should "get a clue," I guess I might as
well renounce any and all rights to enjoy what I enjoy & express
my opinions.  I'll accept what I'm told is right ...

Let's see.  CREDO:  Donna is the worst singer in the universe.  All
of Bobby's songs suck.  Keith couldn't play piano.  Pigpen could
neither sing nor play the organ.  Jerry is a mediocre guitarist.
All of Jerry's ballads sound exactly the same.  The Grateful
Dead only know that it's time to start a new song when they've
forgotten which song they were already playing.  The Grateful
Dead are a plot dreamed up by British intelligence to destroy
American youth (Lyndon LaRouche said that)  ...

NOT!

I think I'd rather remain "clueless."

--Gary B.

(actually, I don't think anyone can appreciate Donna's singing style
unless they've spent a considerable amount of time listening to other
female vocalists from San Francisco during the same period ... Track
down a record by Stoneground sometime & pay attention to Lydia Moreno,
Annie Sampson, Deirdre LaPorte, & Lynne Hughes.  I think they're
*great*, & Donna sounds positively angelic in comparison.
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon  
 
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From: sbh@ncube.com (Shawn Honess)
Subject: NEW Veneta Questions
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:15:46 GMT

:-)
Ahoy!!  I just got my tickets for the Veneta shows !!

Does anyone know if the 4A (Alter Abled Access
Advocates) from the OCF be on hand for these shows?
I'll be there with a friend in a chair.

The flier encourages the busses from Eugene.  We're
staying in Florence.  Are there any special plans
for transportation from the coast?

      Thanks,
        - SHawn
          sbh@ncube.com

PS: When you come to Oregon - bring water.
From: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet (Bill Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:07:32 GMT
Reply-To: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

This Donna Bashing is getting outa hand (and seems to me a thinly veiled form o
f chavunism i.e. the Dead's stage is no place for a woman, its too intense or
some BS like that).  I won't deny that there are tapes out there where Donna le
ts loose some intense screams but that's the what the Dead are about...taking
chances.  Believe it or don't, some times the men up on that stage fall flat
on their faces also.  And if you can abide Jerry's vocals (in the past somtimes
nothing more than groans) you should certainly have the sensitivity to have
noticed the grace and balance to all that Yang energy that Donna provided.  At
least her nose wasn't packed nor did she hose down the first three rows every
time she pronounced the letter "s".

 Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
    A. Einstein

 Dudes, why is so imprtant to you to trash Donna (even if you really believe
everything you've said)?