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From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: More theory questions (groan)
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:39:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

For 9th and 13th chords, just dropping the root (and 3rd) is not really
the best solution.

	First of all, are you playing solo (and do you care about hearing the
bass line at all)? That is, if you've got a bass player, then it is quite
easy to drop the root without causing any harmonic confusion.

 BUT! what are the alternatives? In chords that have a perfect 5th (i.e.
chords that don't alter the 5th, i.e. not dim or aug) the fifth is really
harmonically implied by the root, and is not really as interesting as the
rest, so for a 9th, play root - 3rd - 7th and 9 - these are the more
hramonically interesting notes.

  an 11th or 13th is trickier - if you have a bass player, play the
3rd -7th - 9th - 11  (only you might like the sound of the 11 against
the 3rd and the 5th, so leave out the 7th or 9)

  it boils down to the issue of what you want to hear, and it's a good
idea to think about voice leading - what was the previous chord? what 
is the next chord? how does this chord move between those two?
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From: hirschfb@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Music Notation Program//MSDOS
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:31:04 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

In article <1992Aug19.191316.23781@netnews.alf.dec.com>, harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
> I am looking for a program for creating standard music
> notation and/or tablature in PostScript format.  The
> target machine is a Mac IIcx.  What I am looking for
> is something in the public domain or something not
> too expensive.  I do not need any fancy bells and
> whistles.
> 
> Thanks.

Ahem, sorry to crowd with chatter, but I am also looking for a program similar
to this. Rather, I am looking for a shareware TAB creation system for MS-DOS
machines. If such a beast does exist, I would be greatly appreciative to the
point of posting something. I think that I have finally figured out posting
from files here, so hopefully it should not be a problem.

Thank you
hirschfb@corral.uwyo.edu

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: Ty Tabor's Guitar Sound
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:59:57 GMT


  Well, from what i've heard Ty Tabor is REALLY modest.  He doesn't want any to
try to sound like him, he thinks that everyone should develop their own sonud.
He goes to great lengths to keep what kind of head he plays through a secret.
I've heard he even disguises it.  So i've no idea what-so-ever how he gets his
sound, other than that he plays a Yamaha RGZ(just as you mentioned).
From: steveo@think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Beginer Qs
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:41:30 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: olen.think.com


It's time to start playing again. I took lessons years (like 20) ago, and
learned the basic chords. However, since then, I've discovered the music I
really like, to wit, a harmonic slide blues sound, ala Elmore James, Hound
Dog Taylor, George Thorogood (on his blues numbers) etc. What I'd like to
do is to get myself an inexpensive, yet reasonable sounding guitar and
perhaps some books on tuning, finger picking and slide work. From there I
think I can listen to the songs I want to play and figure them out.

So, with respect to the quitar, what do you all think? It doesn't have to
be electric; in fact, I'd almost prefer it not to be. I'm not a loud music
fan. I would think that an hollow body would be more portable, etc, than
having to lug around a amp. Does anyone have thouhgts/recommendations on
this?

Also, what about strings for slide? What guage? What should one look for in
a guitar to be used for slide playing?

How about tuning? Isn't there an alternative tuning (other than the eadgbE)
that is harmonic like the banjo?

What about finger rolls? Are there any books that cover this?

Ton-o-questions, I know, but I'd appreciate any insight you may offer.

Thanks!

-- 
Steve Anthony                     |  "Ain't nobody gettin' outta here |
Application Engineer              |   with out singin' the blues"     |
(617) 234-4000                    |                                   |
steveo@think.com                  |  - Albert "The Iceman" Collins    |
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From: km2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth E. Mohnkern)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Blues Group
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:41:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EeYYyX600Uh7M1WJYp
	<Bt7ELo.3tv@scd.hp.com>
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 18-Aug-92 in Re: Blues Group              
Leland Ho@scd.hp.com writes:
>I want to put in my vote for a separate blues group.  My hunch is that
>by having a separate group, more blues related traffic will be generated.
[the rest deleted]

I've thought for a long time that this would be a good idea, but
everytime I bring it up there are several days of "you can't do that"
and "r.m.b is fine as it is", then things get back to normal.

Every day I look at the list of thirty or so new postings, and if I see
the word "blues" or see a name I know, I read. Otherwise I skip. If we
had a group specific for the blues, I'd know that all the messages are
blues and I'd read those about people and subjects I don't know. 

Of course, there's an alternative if there's really such a large number
of folk against a split - We could all put "BLUES" or "JAZZ" in front of
our subject lines, like "stephen thompson@beyond..." has done.

    ken


#ken mohnkern # the graphics deli # the robotics institute #
              # carnegie mellon university # pittsburgh pa #
#   "It's not the thing you fling, but the fling itself."  #
From: kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: little acoustic guitar...
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:53:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug17.131846.14737@scubed.com> denio@scubed.com (Dennis C. O'Neill) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug14.135438.10584@hubcap.clemson.edu> , hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>> Are there any decent quality acoustic guitars that are little enough to
>> classify as carry on luggage on an airline? ...
>>
>> Any hints?
>> 
>> -Mike
>
>The Mandolin Bros. catalog lists two acoustic travel guitars:  the Vagabond,
>two models of steel strings at $332 and $449 with gig bag (MB price), and the
>Outbound, at $235, plus $45 for a softshell or $90 for a hardshell case.
>The Vagabond is 32" long, while the Outbound is 36" long.  I played a
>Vagabond at Elderly Instruments once, it was a good instrument for its
>purpose and price.
>
[...]
>-- 
>Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)

There was a review of "travel guitars" in either Acoustic Guitar, Guitar
Player, or some other magazine in about the past year (sorry to be so
vague -- I thought it was AG, but I just looked through a stack of back
issues, and couldn't find it.  The search wasn't exhaustive, tho...)

Could someone who has a better memory than mine comment on this?  I also
am interested in getting a travel guitar.

Kent


-- 
Kent Crispin			"No reason to get excited",
kent@netcom.netcom.com		the thief he kindly spoke...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin)
Subject: Re: little acoustic guitar...
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:02:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <lv!nvpn.kent@netcom.com> I wrote
>
>There was a review of "travel guitars" in either Acoustic Guitar, Guitar
>Player, or some other magazine in about the past year (sorry to be so
>vague -- I thought it was AG, but I just looked through a stack of back
>issues, and couldn't find it.  The search wasn't exhaustive, tho...)
>
>Could someone who has a better memory than mine comment on this?  I also
>am interested in getting a travel guitar.
>
>Kent
>
I found the article -- it's in the May/June  issue of Acoustic Guitar.
It talks about several -- the "Essential Guitar", by Martin Guitars
(actually originally designed by a fellow named Bob McNally, and
now licensed by Martin -- Martin calls it "The Backpacker").  Another
guitar is the "Outback", and a third is the "Vagabond".

McNally Instruments, PO Box 387, Hibernia, NJ 07482 (201) 983-9153;
Martin Guitar Co, PO Box 329, Nazereth, PA 18064 (800) 345-3103;
Outbound Instruments, PO Box 1052,Boulder CO 80302 (800) 487-1887;
Vagabound Travel Guitar, RR1, Box 122, Kinderhook, NY 12106
(518) 758-1690

I will probably get the Vagabond, because there is an nylon string
model, and I primarily play classical.




-- 
Kent Crispin			"No reason to get excited",
kent@netcom.netcom.com		the thief he kindly spoke...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ty Tabor's Guitar Sound
From: zool175@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:50:41 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

I read in a guitar mag that in addition to his "mystery" tube amp he also
used a Pierce Gr100 solid state amp.
From: ahasham@skat.usc.edu (Allen Hasham)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Guitar Center Sale
Date: 13 Aug 1992 10:08:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

      I got a thing in the mail saying that they are having a 
    sale until August 31st. I dont know if its all Guitar Centers or 
    what but here are some of the prices they had listed

   Zoom 9002 for $299
   American Strats $299
   Anniversary Strat $599
   Jacksons EX series starting $499
            standard  starting $599
            Pro series starting $899
   Guild F-4CE  $595
   Takamine  G-332  $249
             G-334  $299
   Martin  Sigma SE-18  $399
           D-16H        $899
   Ovation  Celebrity CC157 $369
            Celebrity Deluxe CC257 $499
 
   They also have all kinds of effects both pedals and rack mount.

   On the flyer is shows 15 locations ranging from some from California
   to Minnesota to Chicago 

   If you need numbers send me e-mail
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: miphilli@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Michael Phillips)
Subject: Re: U2's Song: In God's Country
Keywords: U2's Song: In God's Country
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:22:23 GMT

matz@drutx.ATT.COM (MatzAD) writes:


>I would love to learn 'In God's Country' from U2's 'Joshua Tree' recording.

>Please send me the chords if you know them.

>I very definitely appreciate any help or clues.   Thank you !



>Dave Matz


In God's Country    U2.

the whole of the verses are simply D and Am

D          Am
Desert Sky Dream beneath the desert sky
D                  Am
the rivers run but soon run dry
D           Am
we need new dreams tonight

etc


the chorus is Em C and G.

Em          C      G
Sleep comes like a drug
Em       C   G
in God's Country
Em       C       G
Sad Eyes Crooked Crosses
Em       C   G
In God's Country

fig.

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From: cc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Chris Conway)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RPM transcription tapes
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:44:48 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: cc@kelvin

Are the Note-for-Note audio tapes offerd by RPM (Rock Performance Music)
any good?

Chris.
From: glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Yamaha ad
Date: 23 Aug 1992 11:08:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm sitting here looking at a magazine ad for the Yamaha Pacifica guitar.
Large type at the top of the page says:

     TO SURVIVE YOU NEED FOUR THINGS:
       FOOD. SEX. SHELTER. GUITARS.
          MAKE THAT TWO THINGS.

Okay, what I want to know is this:  what's the second thing?  After all,
with a guitar, you can get any of the other three.

Maybe I should write to Yamaha.  I'm guessing the second thing is 
shelter, to protect your axe from the elements.  (Does a guitar case
count as shelter in this context?)  And of the three, that's the hardest
to get with a guitar.  But still.....

Yeah, it must be shelter.  I get offered food and sex a lot more often.
And drink, of course.

D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, glenn@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

How much interest is there in a TV/TS newsgroup?  How many would post there?
You can send me mail anonymously at wi.2743@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (was wi.79)

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: scam@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JOE JR. SAGGIO)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: opinions
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:53:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

How many guitarists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: 20, one to screw it in and the other 19 to say, "I could have done
that! " Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Hey, nobody is really a "bad" guitarist. True some are more technical than 
others, but fortunately, music is not judged purely on technical virtuosity
  Who gives a shit how fast or slow someone plays? If there doin' their 
thing and enjoying themselves, that's all that matters.  Music is great 
because there are no rules and you can do whatever the fuck you want. 
Should we put a speed limit on guitar playing, just like for driving? Gee 
that would be nice.  Some say if a player can't play fast then he lacks, 
others say if all he does is play fast then he lacks....Bullshit! If 
everyone played the same it would be real boring. Let everyone play their 
own way and either learn from it, enjoy it or ignore it.

BTW, I bought the Yngwie instructional video to learn what he does because 
I had no clue. I did'nt know he could play the blues like he does. I like 
it. I have the Larry Carlton video as well. I am definitely a champion of 
his playing but I did'nt think the video was as informative as others I 
have seen. He is very good, however, I did'nt think the video gave enough 
insight. Does anyone have the George Lynch video? 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent)
Subject: Re: Why few people have Perfect Pitch
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:24:53 GMT


  I agree with this method.  I just remember the E that opens up "Communication
Breakdown" and that's what i tune the guitar against if i don't have a tuner
with me.  It's usually pretty close, if not dead on.  If you hear the song 
enough you'll eventually.  It'll probably help if the song has the note repeated
about ten times in a row though :)
From: ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Playing with fingernails
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:51:58 GMT
	<RYANR.92Aug13122539@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Aug14.052309.3009@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Computer Science Department, Colorado State University

>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:23:09 GMT, peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean) said:
-> Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu


->   Yeah!  Try to altrinate(sp?) pick runs with your fingers.  If
-> anyone can give me a suggestion on how to do this, i'd be greatful.

(This is apart from that tremolo discussion, but tremolo technique is
extremely related to what I've got here as any classical guitar
tremolo-er will recognize from the fingerpicking patterns I'm going to
describe.)

This is difficult to describe, but here's what I sometimes use.
My technique for this is incomplete but here it is.

Going up:
notes on a string            pattern
-----------------            -------
2                            m-i
3                            a-m-i
4 or more                    a-m-i-m
                             (for smoothness but less speed m-i or i-m)

Going down is almost the same, except for 2 notes it's a-i

The technique is incomplete because the transition of 4 notes on the
same string to or from anything else often doesn't quite fit.  Any
variations to be made I've found is best done on the 4 note.  I've
often had to use a-i-m-i or m-i-a-i depending on which finger I needed
for the next string.  Another reason my technique here is incomplete
with the 4 note pattern is because you'll notice the other patterns end
with the index while my first 4 note pattern ends with the middle
finger.  The only reason for this is because I can execute a-m-i-m
more quickly than any other 4 note pattern.  I probably should
practice the other 4 note patterns though.  With some practice, you
can get pretty zippy with this technique.

If anyone has any answers for the 4-note-on-a-string problem or
any alternative techniques, please post.

Richard.

p.s.  For flatpicking speed, sweep picking is supposed to be the
quickest and most efficient way to pick.  I've heard it and I think
alternate picking sounds better to me in most cases even if,
supposedly, you can play faster with sweep picking.  You can find
books and guitar videos (including one with Frank Gambale, I believe)
that explain this technique.  I don't like it as much as alternate
picking because I have a preference for the attack you can get with
alternate picking.

DISCLAIMER on the last postscript:  I don't listen to Frank Gambale
and don't know what he sounds like.
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From: hirschfb@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: //Theory Query (FollowUP)
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:22:20 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

In article <1992Aug19.183344.971@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.210801.124@news.uwyo.edu>, hirschfb@news.uwyo.edu writes:
>>I am also wondering if someone could post some info on how to change chords
>>between two songs of differing keys. Anything that can be posted will be
>>thanked appropriately.
> 
> Say song #1 is in the key of C and #2 is in D and you want to play both
> songs in the key of #2.  Since D is one step (2 frets) above C, play all
> chords in #1 two frets higher (barre form is easiest, or think about what
> each chord is two frets higher).  The relationship between two keys is the
> same as the relationship between the root notes.  Is this what you meant by
> your question?
> 
>   -- Scott @Brandeis

Hmm, well this is transposing..but its not fully what I had in mind.
Considering I can usually transpose whatever..what I'm really looking for is a
way to change from song to song while playing. Say, I'm playing a song in C or
whatever, and my next song is in F, what progression of chords would be needed
to change smoothly to the next key, without stopping play. I would really like
the theory of this, so I can apply it to any key change, but whatever you might
have will help. Thanks very much.

hirschfb@corral.uwyo.edu
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: bLues gRoup
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:00:10 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Aug18.135104.12049@ultb.isc.rit.edu> whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>By the way, I just read the last 30 entries to rec.music.bluenote and there
>was 1, maybe 2 notes pertaining to blues music depending on how you far you
>stretch the requirements.

Thirty entries is hardly a representative sample; even the small survey
that I did last week, which encompassed several hundred articles, only
gives an indication of what the overall traffic patterns are.  (The
results of that survey were posted here; they indicated that a significant
fraction of recent traffic pertained to blues.)

Incidentally, how many of those 30 articles in rec.music.bluenote did
*you* post?  How many blues-related articles have *you* posted in
the last year?  In the last five years?

If you want to see blues-related traffic, you (and anyone else who is
interested) will have to write it; it will do you no good to assume that
someone else out there will generate it for you.
From: m1comm01@spacm1.spac.spc.com (Bob Straschewski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: My thumb can't do the Hendrix
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:00:00 PDT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <deadhead.714288898@plague>, deadhead@plague.ugcs.caltech.edu (stephen thompson) writes:
> dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:
> 
>>I've been trying to do the stuff tabbed in the _Jimi_Hendrix_Concerts_
>>book.  I only have a cheapo acoustic.  Is it supposed to be hard at first
>>to curl your thumb around the neck to fret the 6th string, while doing all
>>sorts of other things all over the neck with your other fingers?  My thumb
>>just doesn't bend far enough.  Do I need to get an electric guitar?  Or
>>will this get better with practice?
> 
> It will get better with practice, or at lease it did for me.  An electric
> guitar wouldn't hurt.  It's not so much a question of the size of one's
> hand, but the flexibility, dexterity, and strength.  It doesn't take much
> thumb to fret the string, but it does take a lot of the other three things.
> And, hey, use every appendage you got to fret them strings.
> 
> --stephen
>-- 
If you watch any of the Hendrix videos, you will notice that his fingers are 
as long as some people's feet, so it wasn't much of a problem for him.  For
us mortals, it is a little more difficult....(-:?

 Bob Ski..................

 andwhenyouroldthendeadforcancertheywillrememberufondlyasadiscodancer

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup)
Subject: recent flames and stuff
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:53:54 GMT


Come on folks, what happened to that friendly atmosphere we had going
on this group?  It would be really nice if posters would keep flames
and indignant responses to e-mail.  Sure the rest of us can just hit
'n' and ignore the flames, but man, why bother sending a personal
message to the whole world?  Especially those one line responses.
It would be nice to keep the interaction on this group related to the
guitar and not how someone thinks someone else is an idiot.  In any
case it's just a suggestion.

Now, back to our irregularly programmed schedule.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Re: Q:Bassman tube amp mods?
Keywords: bassman tubes amp mods
Reply-To: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:56:57 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.192112.9139@decvax.dec.com>,
ccb@axemax.zk3.dec.com (Charlie Bennett) writes:

|> Does that old Bassman have a presence control?

Yes, but no deep or bright switches.  It has two 12ax7s in the "bass" channel
and only 1 in the "normal" channel.  The model number is 6G6-B, how this
differs from the 6G6-A in Pittman's book (The Tube Amp Book), I don't know.

Regards,
--
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