HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: c059vin@utarlg.uta.edu (Daniel Vincent)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:11:00 GMT

In article <JJAS.92Nov4224912@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu>, jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes...
>The guy who shot the Japanese student in Louisiana may not have been a racist
>and he may not have been that unbalanced.  But, he might have been a racist
>and he might have been unbalanced.  Unless you have the full story you cannot
>judge the individual.  Does anyone honestly know the circumstances surrounding
>this tragic event.  If someone could e-mail me any news articles, or better
>yet, post them, I would be deeply in their debt.  I would like to know better
>the situation.
>     	Jason
>		jjas@acs.bu.edu


He mite not have been a racist, but a news like that really scares most 
international students around here.

I go to school in Texas and as mentioned i am an interantional student. Just the
day the japanese student was shot, me and a friend of mine were searching for a
friends house in the suburbs of Arlington, TX and accidentally knocked on the 
wrong door. They were good enuf to redirect us to the correct address. But 
should this happen again I would think twice before knocking on any door-even 
the right one.

It so happens that in our culture, we could knock on a wrong door and the people
living there would cheerfully help us. That was the reason which prompted our 
action of knocking on the wrong door(the right house no: & wrong street). 

This is just another minor concern nagging the international student community.

Have a nice day!
Regards,
Daniel Vincent.
c059vin@utarlg.uta.edu
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:01:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Bx7KE9.wu@nic.umass.edu>, csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SU
LAIMAN) writes:

>write letters to congress persons
>keep track of what bills are being voted on and what is being placed in
>front of our president
>show your community spirit and involvement
>
Other than what may or may not be reported in the local paper and whatever
mailings one receives from senate and house reps, is there another source on
bills and how the reps vote?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: British constitution: draft FAQ entry.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:15:50 GMT


	If s.c.b. is split, could we set up something like
	rec.anglophobia where Holohan and his avatars (e.g. Pinkerton)
	can bunny away without submerging news of the Scarlet Woman
	of Ambridge and other important stuff in the noise?

	Alec.
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: To the Bush (It's nice, believe me)
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:37:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1do1ddINNus@uranium.sto.pdb.sni.de>, mollers.pad@sni.de (Josef Moell
ers) writes:
>In <Bx99x2.BKn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes
:
>
>>In article <100630@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>>In article <Bx7JDL.6z@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R
SULAIMAN) writes:
>>>
>>>>No, the world is not coming to an end, and the USA will survive even if
>>>>Clinton isn't a good president.
>>>No not immediately. It's also not clear that the USA will survive in the
>>>long run if Clinton and his Democratic congress spend us into eternal
>>>hell during the next four years.
>
>>I agree that it *is* possible, but it would be harder to do than Bush's
>>and Reagan's HUGE deficits (their budget compromise:  Okay, we want this
>>and you want that?  Lets both do it and run up a $4 TRILLION debt).
>
>>Also keep in mind that the deficit went *down* during Carter's admin.
>>{Granted that inflation and interest went up}
>
>Isn't there a theory behind this? I.e. that there is a strong
>correlation between
>- state deficits
>- inflation
>- interest rates
>- unemployment?
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A pure economic model shows:  high inflation/low unemployment or low
inflation/high unemployment.

Now, you make the call.  No one has been able to come with a model to dispute
the above two.
  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)
Subject: Re: Censorship. (was re: killing of Japanese exchange student)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:43:02 GMT

In <JJAS.92Nov4224229@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu> jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes:

>	Also, a French police officer may approach you at any time for any
>reason, or for no reason at all, and demand to see you ID.  This is called
>a "controle d'identite".  If you are not carrying a proper piece of identi-
>fication and at least 11 francs, they can haul your butt to jail.

this is wrong.  It is actually illegal in France.  A policeman cannot
perform such "controle d'identite" at ramdom,  unless you have been
involved in a crime.  You are not required to carry ID.  Of course,
police can require you to privide the papers of your car and driving
license at any time when you are driving but this is quite different.

I understand that you were disapointed by your trip in Europe.
Apparently you did not take much time to learn anything beyond your own
prejudices.

-- 
//Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, fax: (+353-1)772204, e-mail: Louboutin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie
//Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, (+353-1)7021539 ...
//Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland-  ASK-18
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: rechtien@ganymed.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Jens-Heiner Rechtien)
Subject: Re: Perot can still win :-)
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:59:00 GMT

Following the thread on medical insurance for some time I'am wondering
if it's true what was stated in a german report (about the election 
campaign of Bill Clinton). They claimed that the costs for the health
system in the U.S. of A. is even higher than in most European country
with a policy of everyone having a medical insurance. This would
disprove one of the most stated arguments in my country, that the 
unlucky combination of private pharma concerns and private working
physicians, dentists... and a state regulated system of medical
insurances are the main reasons for the immense high costs of 
the health system. When a more or less private system like the one
in the USA (hope I'am right on this, please correct me if I'am wrong)
costs more than this combination of private/state regulated system
than it seems we shouldn't try to reduce the amount of state
influence in the health system here. This system has of course
the big advantage that vitually everyone is insured, if he 
wants or not (it's nearly impossible to have no insurence, because
the money is directly deducted from our earnings, or the money is
paid by the bureau of unemployment, if you have no job, or
one is coverd by the insurance of your relatives, for childs and
non working members of the family). 

Is there an easy way to state the costs for the medic insurance of
Joe Average Netuser (maybe a little bit overweighted if this 
make a difference) ? I can state the costs for our health system.
The insurance will cost you about 12-14% of your income, depending
what insurance you (have to) choose. Your employee will pay the 
same amount additionally. There are some private insurance companies
which are maybe somewhat cheaper but not in all cases. There is an upper
level, if you earn about 60.000DM=$40.000 (or so) you pay
the top level fee. If you earn even more, you are free to live without
an insurance, but nobody is dumb enough to do this. In any way 
non working husbands and childs are covered by your insurance.

I would like to hear about the costs of medical insurances because
I hope I will have the possibility for a longer stay in the usa.

Regards

Jens-Heiner Rechtien
Department of Physics, University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Internet: rechtien@ganymed.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de
From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: If clinton/gore die NOW, who succeeds?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:50:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <92312.0030532893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.153452.5461@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu
>(Stupendous Man) says:

>>In article <Bx8M6t.5Cx@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

>>>   If the president of the US dies there is a long list of
>>> "heirs to the throne" starting at the Vice-president.
>>> But what if the President and Vice-President elect both
>>> die before they have nominated people to fill the different
>>> offices of state - who becomes President?

>>        Speaker of the House.  (S)he would then nominate a VP which congress
>>would have to approve.

In other words (example scenario): Clinton and Gore die after the Electoral
College votes for them. When Congress is called into session (which will
probably be done in a very timely manner), they elect a Speaker of the House,
who then takes over as President.

>>>    They can't (?) hold another election for 4 years.
>>> Does the electoral college decide?  Or is this a
>>> situation not considered in the US constitution

>>        That's a possibility.  If they died before Dec. 14th, the electoral
>>college would most likely pick the new Prez.  (Which would hopefully be
>>Tsongas/Kemp in whichever order.)

I agree with you on the procedure here.

>Does anyone have any idea who the electors actually are this year?

North Carolina prints the names of the electors very prominently on the ballot.
You get a list of the candidates and the electors pledged to them, and a series
of check boxes below that with a list of the candidates.

>Oh, I'll bet anyone a doughnut that at least one Bush elector will end up
>casting his or her ballot for Ross Perot.

Just as long as all the electors don't simultaneously get that same idea.
-- 
Dustin Emhart                       |  CS Majors: We do more after 11 pm than
Georgia Institute of Technology     |  most people do all day.
Internet: vaps0de@prism.gatech.edu  |        -- me
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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  8 Nov 92 18:33:43 GMT

sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner) writes:


>1)  People live in societies, not as hermits who all happen to
>live in the same area of land.  You can't live in a society and
>expect that everything will go your way and that everything
>that happens is for the individual's self-interest alone.  To
>keep a society going, each member has to sacrifice something. 
>Believe me, life is much easier when you can depend upon other
>people than when you only care about and rely on yourself.

   I'd like to respond to this with what you might call the opposite of
a flame:  Laurie Beth Brunner's statement is a remarkably clear
summary of exactly the idea which is at the basis of modern political
theory and which the Libertarians and other right-wing loonies never
seem to have caught on to:  the basis of sovereign government in a
necessary social contract.

   The definitive statement of this truth was of course developed by
Hobbes, and we can turn to him for a vision of what a world without
"government interference" would really be like:  "No arts; no letters;
no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear of violent death;
and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

    This is the type of world that Libertarians, unwittingly and often
with the best intentions, ultimately are promoting.  It is also the
sort of world that crypto-fascists like George Bush and his corporate
elite cronies are quite consciously and deliberately trying to give us;
since in such "a condition of war of everyone against everyone" (to use
Hobbes' words again), those will rule who are strong and believe that
their might gives them right.  This class of people have suffered a
temporary setback in this country in the recent election, but their
plans to convert our world into a jungle of meanness in which they are
the tigers will no doubt continue as usual.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:30:53 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: If clinton/gore die NOW, who succeeds?
 <1992Nov6.153452.5461@desire.wright.edu>

In article <1992Nov6.153452.5461@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu
(Stupendous Man) says:
>
>In article <Bx8M6t.5Cx@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>   If the president of the US dies there is a long list of
>> "heirs to the throne" starting at the Vice-president.
>> But what if the President and Vice-President elect both
>> die before they have nominated people to fill the different
>> offices of state - who becomes President?
>
>        Speaker of the House.  (S)he would then nominate a VP which congress
>would have to approve.
>
>>    They can't (?) hold another election for 4 years.
>> Does the electoral college decide?  Or is this a
>> situation not considered in the US constitution
>
>        That's a possibility.  If they died before Dec. 14th, the electoral
>college would most likely pick the new Prez.  (Which would hopefully be
>Tsongas/Kemp in whichever order.)

Technically, americans did not elect a President or Vice-President this past
Tuesday, they merely selected electors who will go the their respective
state capitals on a fixed date and vote for whomever they want as Pres and VP.
While they are aligned to specific candidates, nothing requires them to vote
for the candidate they are committed to. In 1976 for example, one Ford elector
actually cast his ballot for Reagan giving him one electoral vote. Thus if
Clinton and Gore are both run over by Bush's campaign bus tomorrow,
the electors could decide on whomever they want as President, it is quite
possible that they wouldn't be able to settle on anyone and the issue would
likely end up being thrown to the House.

Does anyone have any idea who the electors actually are this year?

Oh, I'll bet anyone a doughnut that at least one Bush elector will end up
casting his or her ballot for Ross Perot.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.french
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: Censorship and Governmental control
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:36:37 GMT

In article <1dhbbaINNnmb@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
>sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) writes:
>>jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes:
>>
>>>	Also, a French police officer may approach you at any time for any
>>>reason, or for no reason at all, and demand to see you ID.  This is called
>>>a "controle d'identite".  If you are not carrying a proper piece of identi-
>>>fication and at least 11 francs, they can haul your butt to jail.
>>
>>this is wrong.  It is actually illegal in France.  A policeman cannot
>>perform such "controle d'identite" at ramdom,  unless you have been


It definitely used to be true 22 years ago when I was living in Paris,
although I remember it as being 5 francs that one had to carry.

Pierre

Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat Fargo 6266)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: The Presidency
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

I am still amazed by the presidential result. Our 
government is made up of the executive and judicial
branch and congress. The primary role of the executive
branch is foreign policy, and commander of the armed
forces. The congress is the primary base for new laws
and the economy, and finally the judicial branch interprets
the laws and policy relative to the constitition. They all
balance. The president proposes the budget, and the congress
submits bills to spend it. The president has veto power, but
can be overriden.

Now for my issue. How can we elect a president from a small
state, with no federal experience to be in charge of foreign
policy and the defense of our country? The budget and economy
are the responsibility of the congress. Congress always spends
more than they take in, therefore our deficit. What qualifications
does this guy (who 4 out of 10 people voted for) have to run
this country?  Back to Jimmy Carter days, buy your cars and homes
now, because its just a matter of time before inflation starts
all over again....... 

---
Patrick A. Fargo		Ericsson Business Communication
				Anaheim, California
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Us Modern GREEK scumbags!
Keywords: Addressing a Historical Mercinary for the Turkish Government 
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:02:56 GMT

    In one recent article(cum flame)Argic compares the contemorary
Greeks to the Ancients unfavourably he calls us something like
"beacons of ignorance" I don't have the exact quote.
    Argic my friend (I know you'll read this) if ignorance is bliss
surely you're in Utopia.
    Allow me to demonstrate,you constantly  refer to Fallmerayer to
justify your views.In a history book I have recently seen "The History
Of Germany .The 19th Century" the authors name escapes me,the author
writes of Fallmerayer being disapointed with the Modern Greeks and
thus proposing his Slavic-Albanian theory,had Fallmerayer lived a few      
more decades he would have known what happened to the Greeks.This is so
because he would heard the opinions of two of the most prominent 
statesmen of the 19th-20th century.
    Witness your poor interpretation of your own history...........
 
"Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East"

    "Let me endeavor,very briefly to sketch in the rudest outline what
the Turkish race was and what it is.It is not a question of Mohammedanism
simply,but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a      
race.They are not the mild Mohammedans of India,nor the chivalrous 
Saladins of Syria,nor the cultured Moors of Spain.They were,upon the 
whole,from the black day when they first entered Europe,the one great
anti-human specimen of humanity.Wherever they went a broad line of blood
marked the track behind them,and,as far their dominion reached,      
CIVILIZATION DISAPPEARED FROM VIEW."
             William Gladstone
  
    "There is no instance,in Europe,in Asia or in Africa,where the
establishment of Turkish domination over another country has not resulted
 in a reduction in material prosperity and a decline in civilization.
Wherever Turkey has emerged victorious it has bought catastrophe.It has       
never been able to develope in peacetime what it gained in war."
             George Clemeneau


Get the picture?
                 DHMHTRH
                 UNSW


"

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From: ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Macedonian Recognition after US elections.
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:54:20 GMT
Organization: Bellcore

In article <9231518.14462@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.183931.15705@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.160938.16119@walter.bellcore.com> ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324) writes:
>>>
>>>	The best thing would be to split up the Skopje, have a referendum
>
>The referendum voted for a Free and Independent Republic of Macedonia.
>
	No, no. That was referendum for sessecion from Ex-Yugoslavia.
	Now we are due for another referendum on break-up
	of "Macedonia".

>>>	and let people decide which country do they want to join: Bulgaria,
>>>	Greece, Albania or Serbia. As it now stands, recognition of
>>>	"Macedonia" can only bring problem into the area.
>
>I am amazed someone would actually write this, though I am not surprised.
>It has been coming for some time. A renewed line of argument is needed after
>the Macedonia "name game" lapses...
>
>>        The most meaningful proposal for the long term *interests* and 
>>        *desires* of the people living there.
>
	Let's get realistic about this "Macedonia" issue. The slavic people
	of today's Ex-Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia are not the decen-
	dents of the Great Macedonion kingdom from the 4-th century B.C..
	They just did not come to the teritory of of Macedonia until the
	6 -th or 7-th century A.D.. Your current claim of the Macedonian
	heritage is an outright lie, which you and other people know to be
	the case.
	It is really a sad thing that you just can not admit your thievery
	of something that belongs to others.

Regards, DDC. 

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