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Subject: Re: netstat for Linux?
Reply-To: pep@wicked.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:58:19 +0000

In article <1993Jan11.115951.1005@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
> David W. Summers (dws@ineg2.uark.edu) wrote:
> : Mike Stramba <stramba@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> : 
> : >Is there a 'netstat' or equivalent program for linux?
> : >
> : >Something very simple will do, i.e. showing what sockets have been opened, by
> : >whom, what their status is.
> : >
> : >Mike
> : >
> : 
> : Also it should print out routes, both static and learned.  Also is 'config'
> : the same as 'ifconfig' on SUNS?  If so, could we make it also print out
> : the ethernet, IP, and broadcast address, etc., like the SUNS do?  I would
> : love to know how to do this.....
> 
> Being able to inspect and alter the arp cache (as on other machines) would
> also be useful.
> 
> I guess the reason for not having these nice usefull tools is that Ross
> is still working on the code. Thus any changes would break things, ala
> ps
> 
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I started playing with something of the sort; unfortunately the kernel does
not (yet) collect the neccessary stats - and my code relies rather heavily on 
using nlist  and hence needs to read from an unstripped kernel [incidentally
to TPTB - could we have a target for "unstripped" in the makefile as standard
now that many people are - I hope - using LILO; it would make this sort of 
thing much easier]

I did put up a little thing on the NET channel of the mailing list some weeks
ago called etherstat that interrogated Ross' wd code for statistics (using 
gratuitous plagarism of the code from ps); maybe I should upload it to TSX-11
at some point - although I'd like to make it do a bit more first ;-)


Phil..

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From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: A few misc questions,
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TC>|> One thing I'd like to see in the NET FAQ is a description of how to set
TC>|> up the software for a local-only configuration with no ethernet card. 
TC>|> This must be a fairly common first step.
TC>|> 
TC>
TC>Hear hear!  I am having some difficulty getting TCP/IP to work properly, and I'd
TC>love to be able get it set up on the machine while it's still on its own

I must be missing something here, if you want the machine to be 
"stand-alone", just ignore the missing ethernet board message and use it.
I'm running mine stand-alone, even though I do have a WD8003 in it, but
I haven't tackled the TCP/IP stuff yet.
---
 . KingQWK 1.05 # 97 . XYZZY... Nothing happens.
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: swap partitions bigger than 16M???
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:28:00 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1993Jan4.141306.9596@alw.nih.gov>, seidl@alw.nih.gov (Edward Seidl) writes:

| Thanks to all who e-mailed me on this one.  Word from God himself (i.e. Linus)
| is that 16M is the limit for now, but he may get around to bumping it up in
| several months.  He gave me hints on how to do it myself, though, so I'm going
| to roll up my sleeves and start hacking around in the mm source.  If I get
| anything working (and if there's interest) I'll post the diffs...and send them
| to Linus.  If I don't get anything working...
| Anyway, don't hold your collectivebreath, my first two stabs at it have failed
| spectacularly :-{

  It would certainly be useful to have Linux handle large memory space
for image processing. Say 256MB RAM and 1GB swap would be nice. A photo
quality image might be 4k by 3k by 24bit, or 36MB, and you can easily
have four in memory doing some operations.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: munn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Richard B Munn)
Subject: Trident 8800 video card
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:02:47 GMT

Has anybody gotten the Trident 8800(512k) video card to operate under 
Linux's (SLS) X386 enviroment?

Either 16 colours or monochrome mode would be great.

Monochrome:
	I have tried to start X windows in monochrome by:

	cp Xconfig Xconfig.color
	cp X386 X386color

	cp Xconfig.mono to Xconfig
	cp X386mono X386

	startx

	I get an error unable to find a VGA256 driver???

	Why is it still looking for a 256 colour driver or compatable card? 

	The monochrome Xconfig has no "vga256" area in it. 


Any assitance would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you,
Rick Munn.
From: STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: PSROFF on Linux, anyone?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:50:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Has anyone been able to get psroff to work on Linux?
I'll admit I'm no unix god and have been unsucessful so
far.  Any help appreciated...

  -Thanks..
   -Dan

Dan Newcombe
stdn@vm.marist.edu                        kk4d@maristb.marist.edu
dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu             And others...
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- Real programmers like vending machine popcorn.  Coders pop it in the
  microwave oven.  Real programmers use the heat given off by the cpu.
  They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg)
Subject: Lilo 0.7 printing only "LI"
Keywords: lilo
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:52:23 GMT

Hi,

I need help with lilo 0.7

The previous version of lilo worked great until I upgraded
the linux kernel. With the new kernels we need lilo 0.7.
So far so good.

So I downloaded, compiled and installed it.

It works great on my computer at home (mfm hard disk).
But in the university (at bus/ide hard disk) it prints 
only "LI" instead of "LILO" and the computer hangs.

I used exactly the same source both times.
Both computers were installed starting with hlu's
boot and base disks, then I added GCC from the SLS disks.
I erased the etc/lilo directory and recreated it by
copying lilo, boot.b and chain.b there from /usr/src/lilo.
On one computer it works, on the other not.

Any ideas?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: shap@halifax.syncomas.com
Subject: bug in signal.h
Reply-To: shap@halifax.syncomas.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:23:09 GMT

The macro for sigismember() needs to test that the signal number
passed is <= _NSIG.  Some programs depend on sigismember responding
with '0' if the value is out of range.

I found this when trying to build CVS.


Thanks


Jonathan S. Shapiro
From: jeffreyj@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey John Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: answer to a1 a2 mount
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:13:23 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: magna.ksu.ksu.edu

     Here is a letter I received from someone having the same problem as I and
the solution I was shown:
> 
> Please let me know any answers you get, I'm also trying to install
> the SLS-linux package. I get the same message "more command not found".
> 
> When I first change disks (a1 out, a2 in) and then type the requested
> number for the floppy drive to do the install from I don't get the
> message that says 'type more /user/README'. I than tried mounting a2
> with sysinstall -mount, but that fails.
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> 
     when you put in a2 and then select the drive number it loads a2 but I 	am guessing a1 and a2 do not contain "more".  At the type more message type	fdisk and set up your disk partitions.  The gentleman helping me set up 
the drive as follows:  
Command (m for help): 
Disk /dev/hda: 8 heads, 38 sectors, 548 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 304 * 512 bytes

   Device Boot  Begin   Start     End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *       1       1     102   15485    1  DOS 12-bit FAT
/dev/hda2         103     103     170   10336   81  Linux/MINIX
/dev/hda3         171     171     521   53352   83  Linux extfs
/dev/hda4         522     522     548    4104   82  Linux swap

Command (m for help): 

The Id numbers represent dos primary 1, linux primary 81, linux extended 83, and linux swap 82.  After that we ran the intallation program and did the disk 
swapping thing.
   

Is this something that should be in the instructions?  Comments?

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg)
Subject: hostname, was: Getting talk, telnet, ftp to work
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:46:58 GMT

pfr@psun2.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang) writes:

>when I run install.net it always quotes softland as the hostname
>(I think this is what is called "hostname"). In the README it says one should
>"define the hostname" but is does not say how to define it. Sorry, sorry for
>this question which might be primitive for someone knowledgeble...

Look into /etc/rc.local. There is a line
hostname softland
The rest is left as exercise :-)
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From: M.Gream@uts.EDU.AU (Matthew Gream)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: libc.so.4.2 Caveats!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:07:05 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
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Giles D Malet (gdm@shrdlu.kwnet.on.ca) wrote:

: You have already been told how to reduce the program size (-N).

 Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt -N also mean that the program is
not demand page linked? In otherwords at execution time the entire
file is loaded into memory.

Matthew.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: junio@twinsun.com (Jun Hamano)
Subject: Re: Reducing traffic on c.o.l.
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc. (El Segundo CA)
	<1993Jan11.203859.20237@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:12:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.203859.20237@klaava.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

   Since people don't read meta-faqs, faqs, readmes, man pages, and
   anything else that answers their questions, except for direct replies
   to questions posted to comp.os.linux, why would they read about all
   these new, wonderful ways to get answers to their questions?

Here is a better and simpler way to do this.  Let's put the
following sentence somewhere in the FAQ.

	When you ask questions in c.o.l., put an extra `.'
	(period) character after `?' in your subject line.  This
	tells people that you _have_ read the FAQ, so that
	helpful linuxers can ignore questions from people who
	haven't even read the FAQ and don't follow this
	convention.

;-)
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From: linux@ford.wes.army.mil (Ford Crews)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: subscribe
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: linux@ford.wes.army.mil (Ford Crews)
Organization: The Internet

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: A simple xload program using proc fs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:26:24 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Jan 93 12:54:03 GMT, lederer@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Sebastian Lederer) said:


SL> After some browsing in the X manuals I found that an xload program
SL> using the proc filesystem would be very easy...so here is the
SL> code. Hope some of you find it useful.  The resources used should
SL> be the same as for the original xload.  Please mail
SL> questions/improvements/patches to sebi@avatar.GUN.de
SL> 		
SL> 	topLevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_context,"Xload",NULL,0,&argc,
SL> 			argv,NULL,NULL);
                                                   ^^
Just a minor note: you may want to change the class name in the above
from Xload to XLoad if you want it to be plug-compatible with the
original xload.

Regards,

/Muhammad M. Saggaf                 | Stop the genocide
 alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu            | Save Bosnia

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.announce
From: bray@wcuvax1.wcu.edu (Jim Bray)
Subject: Standalone two-floppy linux can run ftp, fix hard disk
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Keywords: boot+root floppy, how-to
Organization: wcuvax1.wcu.edu (CS Dept., Western Carolina University)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:53:06 GMT

  I have just finished making a two-floppy diskset (boot and root)
which has most of the stuff (like fsck, efsck) that one would want for
fixing things up, and runs some network stuff. That is to say, I can
ftp into the machine and transfer things OK. I have not been able to
ftp out, or from the machine to itself, or telnet out. I think I can
telnet in with a little more work.
  All this is packed into a 1.44M disk. I would like to know how the
SLS root+boot disk makes use of the extra space on the boot disk to
make a ramdisk root.
  I am posting to announce because I had always wondered if this could
be done, so I think other people might be interested.
  If there is interest, I will make techniques or images available.

--Jim Bray (bray@wcuvax1.wcu.edu)
(Run Linux, the Official OS of the New World Order :))
(Please Support the League for Programming Freedom, and Boycott ATT
 because of their legal intimidation of BSDI, UCB, and CMU)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: GIF VIEWER FOR X11? <looking..>
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:32:43 GMT

bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:

>Hi, I am looking for a image viewer for X, mainly for GIF images.  I have
>xv2.21, and it is very big and powerful.  I'm afraid it overwhelms my
>386-25 with 8 meg of RAM machine, if I view images greater than 640x480!

Well, there's ImageMagick, but xv looks groovier, and they're about the
same, really...

if you can do without X, there's dpg-view, but it only does up to about
320x400 or something (no SVGA, only tweaked VGA at most)...

I can't say it bothers me, really - I've got a 386dx-25 with 8mb as well,
and, now that I think of it, yeah, there is a pause, but it's about as good
as you'll get on these machines anyway, I guess.
The only reason (more or less) that DOS gif viewers are faster is that 
they've got nothing better to do at the same time :)

Enjoy !

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ckurs-2@wilbur.uni-mainz.de (Teilnehmer am C-Kurs WS 1992_93)
Subject: [Q] Bad block list format needed!
Keywords: filesystem
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:26:36 GMT

Sorry, if this is faq, but i scanned through the latest faq/info-sheet/meta-faq i
have and there was nothing about it (except a note that there are no existing
programs to scan for badblocks).

I used both mk(e)fs as well as efsck in their latest version!
Those tools will not accept the 'block marked bad' status of my WD1006(RLL)
controller. As a result of this the edefrag program crashed my root file system
last weekend: it tried to write to one of those bad sectors ...
 
I need either a documentation on the bad block list format for mk(e)fs or a
working script/program that converts the bad block list of the manufacturer into
the format accepted by those tools.
There was an earlier posting on this subject (it included an awk script) but i
lost the printout (GRRR!).
I also tried to write a program myself but it didn't work ...
If i get enough information, then i will try to write a harddisk scanner for
linux and upload it to one of the ftp sites.

Please mail the answers to me. I will summarize them and send it to the faq
maintainers.

Thanks in advance

Dominik

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares)
Subject: cross-compiling (gcc-2.3.3)
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:23:19 GMT

	While compiling gcc-2.3.3 for a Sparcstation this week, I
realized how easy it is to compile a cross-compiler for any of the
systems gcc "knows" about. Unfortunately, Linux is not one of
these. Does anyone (H.J. maybe?) have the necessary config files so
gcc can create a cross-compiler as usual, or is the process more
involved in Linux's case?

-Peter

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Another windowmanager than TAB.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:15:02 GMT

terland@idt.unit.no (Svein Terland) writes:

>Hi!

>I`m used to Motif windowmanager, and I wonder if there are someone out
>there who knows of a similar WM that is available from an ftp-sight.
>Preferably I would like the binary file.

>Thanks in advance.

Well, you can get gwm (which has a Motif emulator), although it's a bit slow...

I prefer olvwm anyway...It doesn't look like Windows (like Motif does...well, slightly...)


Enjoy !

Cos !

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Rose)
Subject: [WANTED]: diffs for bash-1.12
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:56:44 GMT


I have gcc 2.3.3 and libc.4.2

I have the bash-1.12.tar.Z (sources) and I would like someone to send me
the diffs to get it to compile....


Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: friedman@starbase.trincoll.edu (Mark A. Friedman)
Subject: Performance Enhanced or Worsened by Cache Addition? On Zeos 486DX2-66 system?
Reply-To: mark.friedman@mail.trincoll.edu
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:59:07 GMT

On some PC-Clone systems, when running some versions of Unix, users
have found that performance actually increases after disabling the
hardware cache perhaps because the cacheing algorithm in the kernel
was better tuned to Unix access than the hardware cacheing algorithms.

Can anyone argue through an understanding of Linux's kernel and
hardware cacheing, or through experience, or best yet actual
measurements whether the performance of Linux with X, and say GNU
programs such as emacs and gcc increases or decreases with the
addition of a hardware cache?

In particular, I'd be interested in knowing if any Zeos 486DX2-66
system users have measured/experienced their systems running Linux
with and without the 128K and 256K hardware caches and experie nced a
significant difference in performance in either direction.

I am trying to decide whether to purchase a 128K cache upgrade to go
with a system with 16M RAM.

Thanks,

-- Mark
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From: jansen@bruichladdich.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Question about DOS Emulator!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:22:21 GMT
Organization: RWTH Aachen, Deutschland
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jansen@bruichladdich.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Jansen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bruichladdich.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
Keywords: DOS Emulator

Hi there everybody,

Trying to install the Dos emulator yesterday left some questions open.

I tried to follow the Installation-steps which are in the README-file 
for the DOS-Emulator. Steps 1-6 are OK but then....
How should I understand 
QUOTE FROM README:
 
  > "The file hdimage is mounted as drive C:" ??????

and the following sentence:

  > "On drive C: is a file LINUX.EXE" ??????

Where is the file Linux.exe ???? on my Dos drive c: ?

Maybe I misunderstanded sth.

It would be nice if somebody who has successfully installed the DOS -
Emulator could mail me some advices.

Thanks  
        in
            advance
  
                       TOM





Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: swap partitions bigger than 16M???
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:26:30 GMT

In article <726137676.AA29981@remote.halcyon.com> Jim.Lawhon@f6008.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lawhon) writes:
>To: seidl@alw.nih.gov (Edward Seidl)
>
> ES> Brief description of my problem:  I configured my hard disk to 
> ES> have a 32M swap partition as /dev/hda2, 
> ES> did "mkswap /dev/hda2 32xxx", and then "swapon /dev/hda2". 
>                           ^^^^^
>                           blocks
>
>One block = 512 bytes X 32xxx = 16M ...

	No!  Edward had it right.  You are confusing blocks and sectors.
I believe that the problem is that there is a 16Mb limit to the size of a
swap partition. 

-Eric
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux