From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: DOOL:TAN:Following the Timinator
Keywords: "The NO SMOKING sign has been turned off..."
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:56:43 GMT
Organization: The 4-0 (!) New York Yankees! Ohmigod!

In article <1992Apr9.171138.23771@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak) writes:
>
>
>Sorry folks, but these recent group-bashing posts are begging to be
>responded to.  If you're not interested, exit now......
>
	[most of a not-so-nice but quite-nicely-stated post
         deleted for brevity only]
>
>I've really had it with people like Ann and .clueless.  I like this 
>group!  I know that *most* people like this group!  I think these 
>ladies are just trying to start trouble amongst us.  However, I have
>no plans on ignoring them as they need to be shown for the idiots 
>they are.  To everyone else, don't go so soft on them [this means you
>Joanna-- you were right the first time.]  They weren't very kind to 
>us and I plan on returning the favor.  They could have raised this
>issue more civilly, but opted for insults instead.  Well, right back 
>at ya!
>
>Timinator
>

Sunday, 12 April 1992, 10:00pm:

	Whew! Somebody hose him down! But seriously...

	Thank you very much, Tim, for stating this --- I agree
	with you wholeheartedly. No matter what the opinions
	are that are stated on this group, no matter what is
	said to be liked/disliked about the show, no matter
	what *period* : THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!

	Something like this, i.e. the discussion getting
	serious all of a sudden, went on just when I first
	started reading this group [anybody remember that
	one?]. I was hoping that it was just a passing thing
	and posted something to that effect. Alas, I was
	to be disappointed.

	The whole point in the existence of this group and
	the interaction among its less-than-mentally-stable-
	at-times members [c'mon folks --- are any of us
	totally together? :-)] is to discuss the soaps (or
	is that "daytime dramas"?). The likes/dislikes, the
	good/bad characters [IN THE OPINION OF THE VIEWERS],
	the hot/lame storylines [again, IN THE OPINION OF THE
	VIEWERS] --- all of this should be (and is) fair
	game. If you like something, say so; if you don't, say
	that, too. But just because someone doesn't feel the
	same way and says so is no reason to call their
	opinion(s) "crap". And this namecalling and such, e.g.
	accusing people of being "jealous" of DOOL actors/
	actresses/characters, faulting the communications
	skills of the group's posters, etc etc ad nauseum,
	is just plain ol' asinine; it's just hard to
	understand this line of thinking at all.

	[It's true that the group diverges quite often in its
	topics of discussion, e.g. the Peel Sisters/Core
	Brothers, the A&M-t.u. b-ball series, RocketSled
	Roger/PocketBread Pita (just to name a few), but it
	still serves to keep us interacting with each other,
	which should be the whole point in any discussion.]

	So when things don't go your way in the current
	thread(s) of discussion...BIG DEAL. If you like
	Carly/IzzyB/Carrie (big "ugh!" on that last one),
	say so --- I'm sure that you're not the only one.
	Soon someone else will agree with you...and then
	another...and another...and VOILA! We've got a
	discussion going! And, sure, people will disagree
	with you [much as you disagree with them], but if
	you really believe in your opinion, you should
	be able to adequately defend it against "unwarranted"
	attacks. And the discussion will grow... However,
	don't go whining and looking for some big brother/
	sister to bail you out --- if you dig yourself into
	a hole, you'd damn well better be prepared to climb
	your own way out.

	[And, no, kids --- the above diatribe was not
	intended to say "Go away and leave our club alone!".
	First of all, there is no club or conspiracy here,
	just a few people with a few opinions. Second and
	more importantly, that would fly in the face of
	everything that I just said above. So stick
	around...just change you tack somewhat.]

	Those of you for whom this was intended : you ought
	to know who you are by now. To the rest of you : I'm
	sorry for the lack of smileys, but I found no reason
	to include any (other than the one early on); I'll be
	back to my ol' evil self forthwith.

TTFN,
- Just Plain Ol' Vince

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