HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.)
Subject: matrimonials (2)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:33:06 GMT


I know I may get flamed for this, but I am doing this as a public service for
two individuals without access to the net. So kindly bear with me.

(1) Wanted a suitable partner in the age group 22-26 for an Indian male,
    26 years old, doctoral student. Extremely articulate and has excellent
    career prospects. Interests in
     western classical music, Graham Greene and golf. He plays excellent
    tennis. Looking for a partner who is of similar background and
    intellectually compatible.

(2) Wanted a suitable partner (age 26-30) for Indian female, doctoral student.
    Sibling of (1), and so not compatible for above. Planning a career in
    teaching and research at east-coast university. Looking for someone
    with similar goals. Serious applicants only.

Thanks guys. Any flames to the net, any serious responses to above account.
Confidentiality assured.
                                                  --S.L.
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Mistreatment of Indians by Northwest Airlines -- Reply from Northwest
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:05:25 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Originator: samaddar@orion

pchandra@Cadence.COM (Prakash Chandra) writes:

>About a month ago I wrote to Northwest airlnes asking them why they were
>mistreating Indian passengers. Included below are excerpts from a reply

...

>REPLY FROM JOE LEONARD, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NORTHWEST AIRLINES

...

>In an effort to reduce incidents of documentation destruction, and to 
>effectively deal with a fine liability that was growing at a staggering

I am curious to find out how you would have dealt with the problem faced by
Northwest Airlines. IMHO, the larger share of blame for this shameful
treatment of Indians must be borne by Indians only, some of whom indulged
in destroying their passports and flushing them down the toilet and then
seek asylum. Just as we enjoy the glory of achievements of some Indians
in various fields, we must also bear the burden of shame caused by the
action of some other Indians. Perhaps, this misery caused to their fellow
Indians by their improper actions will generate some guilt feelings in
them and they will desist from such actions.

Sumitro
From: uds@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Anyone read VEDIC Mathematics ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:05:55 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

Anyone who has done some reading on the book called `Vedic Mathematics'?

It was a tome and it was a jewel.

I cant remember the author or the  publisher.  But the uncle who loaned it to
me did mention that it is a very old book (1950's) and I remember that.

It had wonderful algebraic concepts.  I have done some light reading of
some psychological analyses of ramanujam's works (though I am ashamed to say
that I couldnt get to read his actual works).  The analyses main point was :

The indian mathematician, relied more on starting-point and on the goal.  the 
intervening procedure is of not much relevence.

I strongly remember feeling
exactly like that while going through the book.  Problem:Solution was the
underlying structure of the book.  There would be declarations like :
the `following is a mothod of doing complex division'.  No emphasis would be
placed on the human-efficiency or mechanical efficiency aspects of using such
a method.  No proofs.  It was upto you to`see' it or to find another -- nothing
like finding a better algorithm or a faster one.  I consider it unfetterd
creativity -- do what you would like, create structures, and play around with
it.  Identical to our philosophical attitude, the attitude of the 
mathematicians was to `GO IT ALONE' -- without bother to announcing the
`findings' to the rest -- to experience it and wallow in your exciting discoveries.
But it was an experience.

Seetamraju, Uday Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
**************************************************************************
if you want to know more about me finger me !
**************************************************************************
From: wernercg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig Werner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: What is Progress?
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.234640.28291@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, ramakris@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Balaji Ramakrishnan) writes...
> 
>Why is there a general lack of
>compassion in this group. Aren`t we all human beings?  Many of us hail from
>India. Does that make us better or worse as human beings.

[text deleted]

>Why can`t we then be more compassionate and
>try to help each other.  No one can win an argument.  If each of us can
>communicate our thoughts well then I think it will be good only for us but
>also for others who are reading what we say.

Bravo!

As a Westerner, I am reluctant to post to this newsgroup, preferring instead
to learn from the wisdom of the Indians gathered here.  Unfortunately, what
I read is not always very instructive.  If I did not have Indian friends
and if I had not traveled in India, I might conclude from many of the
postings on this group that Indians were narrow-minded, argumentative, and
generally irritable.  I'm glad my experience has proven otherwise.

I do not wish to sound parental, but I feel I must say that a post is not
only a chance to vent frustration or to throw a sarcastic dart.  It is also
a teaching moment, a wonderful opportunity to exchange ideas and feelings
with people whom the poster cannot meet.  Please don't throw away this
potential teaching and social moment through tirades, rhetorical questions,
and innuendos.

When I wade through twenty lines of needlessly quoted text only to read a
response such as "So?," or when I read an equally long quoted passage only
to discover the respondent concludes with nothing but tasteless invective, I
don't feel I have learned anything at all, nor do I feel the poster has
presented me with his or her best side.  Is this kind of talk really the
image such posters wish to project to others?

I realize I am on the edge of pontification, so I'll stop here.  I continue
to benefit greatly from the articles written constructively, tactfully, and
thoughtfully (no sarcasm here), and I look forward to continuing my
subscription on this group.

Cheers.

Craig Werner <wernercg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu, wernercg@ubvms.bitnet>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Subject: Saam bhai
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:04:43 GMT

"Saam" Bhai,
    
  Let me follow your advice at the end of your posting.     

 
*Holly Cow! Of late, rebuttals to GUJJU jokes have lost its "Sanskruti".
*It's not in fashion to use FOUR letter words on Net, specially in a news group
*titled "Soc.CULTURE.Indian." Some of the entries belong to "rec.porn.vengeance."
 
   It is equally unfashionable to unnaturally borrow an American swear phrase.
And in which bush did you find your "Holly" cow?? Secondly, check Grammar. 
"Rebuttals" cannot take "its".


*In the 60s/70s Bombites (people from Bombay), got tired of Sardarji, Pollock
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      "Bombayites". Secondly, I think people on this net are sufficiently 
smart to crack what "Bombayites" means.


*Asok Saa's second problem was saying "za" for "jya". e.g. the infamous 
*"confuzon" for "confusion" (k*n-'fy{u:}-zh*n)

         "jya"??? Is it "con-fu-jya-n"??????


*In the 80s we had "Ketchup", "Lok", "_hore-licks"(W intentionally dropped), etc
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         Does'nt this belong to your Rec.porn.vengeance ?

*Basically we Indians (North, South, East, West & Central) have funny accents
*anyway, ask any Britisher or American. 

     Basically, these British and American people have funny accents anyway. Ask any Indian. :-)


*Well, Metopolitan Bombay (Aamchi-Mumbai, Zindabad!) has its own beauty.

    If Bombay is truly metropolitan, how does this "Amchi" bit fit ??

*Some Southerners say "Hey-ch" for "H". 
    
    And "yum", "yun",...... :-)


*There's nothing wrong in cracking jokes about your own folks. Come on now,
*face the facts. Don't have a Cow Man! just take it with a pinch of
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Here is a "true" Indian on soc.CULTURE.indian :-)


*salt and relax. 

    Saam Bhai, hope you don't get worked up over this. Take some salt and relax
:-) :-)

*Saam-Bhai
*(Ooops, Shyam)

------ Lose bhai
     (oops, loose -- Hope the Australian Ramkumar is reading this. Hee hee)

PS : All retaliation on e-mail, Saaaaar.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir:some questions?
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:08:07 GMT

> His decision should, indeed, not be binding, if the people living there
>think otherwise. Actually India's own actions in Junagadh and Hyderabad
>belie its claims to the righteousness of the accession decision.
There is another point here: Neither Junagadh nor Hyderabad had a strong
independence movement at the time of partition, unlike Kashmir,led by
Sheikh Abdulla.
That Abdulla later participated in the Indian democracy can in no way be
considered as Kashmiris agreeing to join the Indian nation; that decision still
awaits the plebiscite. The participation can be looked upon as merely making
the most of the chances in self-government.
> Jaideep
Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 00:33:43 -0400 
From: "Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai" <sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GUJJU JOKES.........
	<1992Apr7.195042.1@woods.ulowell.edu>

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.indian:
 8-Apr-92  Re: GUJJU JOKES.........       patelsa1@woods.ulowell.e (358)    
> 
>"Gujju" means the people from the state of gujarat, and I heard that they are 
>the most intelligent people from India. It seems true to me because most of 
>people like to make fun of great people or person in this world (By reffering 
>the joks)

You are probably right. Gujjus do consider themselves the most
intelligent people from India.
:-)
From: mala@piscean.EBay.Sun.COM (Mala Murthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: URGENTLY need info. on tourist visa to the US
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:42:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: piscean.ebay.sun.com

I would like to hear from someone who knows of people getting B2 (Tourist) visas recently. Specifically, what is the
length of stay that is normally granted? How many extensions are allowed? At the port of entry in the US, would the
person have to give a detailed plan of travel etc? Would the person have to specify his/her length of stay, or is
there a default length? I have heard that there has been a recent tightening in issuing tourist visas for lonfer
than 3 months-has anyone had problems lately? 
Please send me mail at mala.murthy@ebay.sun.com
Thanks in advance,
mala.
From: ks2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kannan Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: CITY OF JOY:my opinion
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:44:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Edvk1tO00Uh_A3KGw8
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have not seen the movie but I don't understand what you are trying to
say. I am sure that none of us deny that the slums in Calcutta
empitomize the ultimate degradation of human existence. If the story
depicts individuals who maintain their dignity in the most trying
circumstances, perhaps the theme is not new but still can be uplifting.
Perhaps you are angry at the movie's (implicit ?)  attempt to export the
image of abject poverty (as Ray has often been accused of) to the West.
Such stereotypes, though imperfect,  do not emerge from the abstract but
from reality.  
    When most Indians from U.S. retrun to their middle class existence
for a month or so in India, they remind us about all the hassles the
middle class has to endure in India. Not surprisingly, after seeing the
misery of millions, Swayze thinks he should count his blessings. That
does not make him a flake.
Kannan 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jkay@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jayakrishna Vijayaraghavan)
Subject: test
Originator: jkay@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:40:53 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.rights.human
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal - Justice Bains Arrested and Beaten
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:49:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.214245.15693@news.miami.edu> sodhi@news.miami.edu (Rajpal Sodhi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.165831.2265@doug.cae.wisc.edu> budaraju@cae.wisc.edu (Srinivas Budaraju) writes:
>>
>>        ******************************************
>>        *   JUSTICE BAINS ARRESTED AND BEATEN    *
>>        ******************************************
>> 
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>-Srinivas					budaraju@cae.wisc.edu
>
>the absence of the otherwise omnipresent 'condemnation' on SCI is
>startling indeed!!
>
>
>..Rajpal

Well, here is one heartily condemning the attack on Justice Bains.
From: news@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <none>
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:58:09 GMT
Followup-To: cheenu

From: jsethur@eng.auburn.edu (Sethuraman Jagadeesan)
Reply-To: jsethur@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Subject: Re: thamiL_sangam
Summary: 
Keywords:
From: rohini@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rohini Srihari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Flute Recital in Buffalo
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:51:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group

*************************************************************

               St. Thyagaraja Music Society of Buffalo

                       Proudly Presents

	
        	 A Carnatic Flute Concert Featuring

	              *******************		
	              *  Dr. N. Ramani, *
                      ******************* 

		 	accompanied by

		      Kanyakumari (violin)
		   Guruvayur Dorai (mridangam)

              Friday April 10th, 1992, 7:00 p.m
              Heim Middle School Auditorium
              Williamsville, NY

       Admission:  $10 (General)
                   $5  (Student)


Note: Transportation from the UB North Campus (Flint Loop) will
be provided.

For further information contact:
     madhv-s@cs.buffalo.edu
     rohini@cs.buffalo.edu
From: mchari@yoko.rutgers.edu (Murali Chari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: GUJJU JOKES - AN OBSERVATION
Summary: WHY - ONLY BOMBAYITES HAVE THE REQUISITE HUMOUR OR WHAT .....
	 GO - FLY A KITE......
Keywords: GUJJU JOKES
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:13:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <atulpule.703049034@cunews>, atulpule@alfred.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
> 
> I dont know how far this is true, but looking at   all the
> 
> controversy and bad temper about gujju jokes, I think that
> 
> only those  who have ever  lived in  Bombay   and its free
> 
> cosmopolitan environment can truely appreciate a "Gujju" joke.
> 
> 
> 
> Ajit.       (TRY AJIT JOKES INSTEAD.....)
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.132617.24360
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison


 Mr Sridhar Venkataraman, I hope you realize that Mr Balaji's posting 
on the Soc.tamil issue was not a sales pitch for a seperate 
newsgroup, but rather an attempt to expose the double-standards
and hypocrisy of certain people on the net who are idolised
and whose words are respected as god-sent relevations .

-PB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ash@sni.ca (Ashwin Palekar)
Subject: Looking for : - James Almeida
Reply-To: ash@sni.ca (Ashwin Palekar)
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:25:35 GMT

	I am looking for James Almeida , who was with me in
	St. Xaviers High School, vile-parle bombay,(till 1980).
	Last heard he was doing MBA somewhere in the US.

	Thanks.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ashwin Palekar : ash@sni.ca
Office:
Tel : (416) 496-8510 
Fax : (416) 496-8524
Home:
Tel : (416) 698 7501 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: GUJJU JOKES  (only for stupid GUJJUS)
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:10:51 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware



Q.   What is the diffrence between a Gujju and a Polak?

A.   Gujju's are dum enough to make fun of their own people.
From: niru@cc.gatech.edu (Niru Mallavarupu)
Subject: Response to INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Reply-To: niru@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:47:05 GMT

Thanks for the response to the above posting, the
resistance being quite as I expected.

I appreciate the candid response from a few of you.
Am glad that atleast a few were HONEST enough to
agree with what I said. In this context, and in response
to these responses, I would like to mention a few more
points which  may  have been discussed  b'fore.

I agree with the reply Sudhindranath Sira G has
given to Rahi Potturi's justification for this
attitude  of men. In a few words, arranged marriages
are just more like BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS rather than
the sensitive and beautiful relationship a marriage
is supposed to signify. Most people prefer following this
due to being conventional (and repeat !) not daring
enough to try something new.

Sudha Neelakantan's point that " Indian men are really too
difficult to date" is basically due to this same attitude.
In fact, a netter had actually admitted that rather than
waste his "TIME, MONEY, ENERGY and EMOTIONS", he might as
well have somebody arrange it for him. This epitomizes the
ESCAPIST LETHARGIC attitude to this issue. So what's the
difference in buying a car and getting a wife (another
commodity which comes with BONUS !!).

In response to George's comment that "Indian women are
depressing and boring", maybe they found him too
"depressing and boring" to interact well with him !!!

Well, I hope such discussions could help in atleast
changing the attitude of people towards this important issue.

The title I gave myself (IIW) BTW was just to
to evoke those funny comments from you.
For those of you who wanted to know why I chose to be anonymous,
its not a question  of GUTS but for privacy (in Public !!).

IIW.

					
					-New User (newuser@cc.gatech.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fsjm@bart.lerc.nasa.gov (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:13:20 GMT


In article <MdslsbC00WB4A47nNT@andrew.cmu.edu> sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>My $0.02 worth:
>My gripe is that Indian men are really too difficult to date.  They
>have a major attitude problem where women are either idealized
>goddesses or whores
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	
	What does this mean?  Does the Indian man who "idealizes"
this way become a devotee/worshipper/'puppy dog' or bring about a 
certain business-like attitude expecting services for payments, 
respectively?  Dessert for the dinner he just paid for, perhaps?  

	Or, are you talking of reputations?  Those who do not date
at all being goddesses and those who do being whores?  Do you think
you (or any other women) are missing much because you aren't dating 
those men?


-- 

Joseph Mathew

fsjm@bart.lerc.nasa.gov
From: Rishi.Kumar@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rishi Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR....
Keywords: SUDIPTO NIYOGI
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:47:12 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr5.225846.22047@hubcap.clemson.edu> sdatta@hefalump.UUCP (Sandip Datta) writes:
>I am looking for Sudipto Niyogi's tel no. He is from IIT KGP 1986.
>	Please e-mail his current tel no to:
>	SANDIP DATTA
>	sdatta@eng.clemson.edu
>				Thanx in anticipation.
(412)-362-5281 (CMU- Pittsburg- Robotics Lab)
sn1j@andrew.cmu.edu


--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:18:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ

In article <1992Apr8.223556.676@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>In many ways I agree with udcrusd@meaddata.com. I've been receiving a stream
>of half-witted e-mail all day from various illiterates and I'm getting tired
>of it. I'm going to start dumping it on the net if I think it's unusually 
>stupid.........  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     
>
>George

Hey George,

You want to go first, because I have some masterpieces, I would like
to share with the netters too, including a few from individuals
you might know. :^) :^) :^)

Sid
From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:A NEWS FLASH
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:22:46 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

hey kid..
don't you understand, what does the "NEWS FLASH" mean? 
'No news is good news' is age old news.Send some FLASH.Don't use 
"NEWS FLASH" (or similar) subject header. They are meant for some real 
"NEWS FLASH". Don't confuse us. Okhey...

-Bharat
*( to err is human, to forgive is divine)*
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:13525 soc.culture.pakistan:5976 soc.culture.bangladesh:2226
From: gt2675a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dhruv Sodhani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Showing of Satyajit Ray's movie...
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:55:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


***************************************************************************
			     CINESTUDIO
        in association with the Trinity Indian Cultural Society
			      presents

	           DISTANT THUNDER (ASHANI SANKET) 
	         
		  Winner of the Golden Bear, Berlin
		 (In Bengali with English subtitles) 

                 A film by the great Indian director 
    Recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award at the 1992 Oscars
			    SATYAJIT RAY

      Playing Wednesday & Thursday, April 8 & 9 at 7:30 pm

			     CINESTUDIO
        at Trinity College, 300 Summit St, Hartford, CT 06106
Announcement tape:(203) 297-2879 * Touchtone directions:(203) 297-2001

For further details, send mail to: vgupta@starbase.trincoll.edu

-- 
DHRUV SODHANI                             gt2675a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: grx1533@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Information
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:41:30 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Apr13.135915.14086@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, ghosh@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Sujit Ghosh ECE-GRAD Grad ) writes:
> Hi netters,
> 
> This is for the first time I am posting.
> 
>  I want to go to L.A. in summer for three months from Ohio.Could anyone
>  give me any information of getting a good deal.
MY FRIEND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO IS ALSO GOING FOR 3 MONTHS TO LA AND IS
LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE A RIDE, HE HAS A CAR. E-MAIL ME OR CALL ME AT (419)
537-4087 FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian