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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Gods Trapped in Illusion-Pleiadians16
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:19:48 GMT

In article <67422@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>Here is The Pleiadian article from issue 16 of Connecting Link Magazine.  I
>have number 17 ready to be scanned.  Since The Editor of Connecting Link
>Magazine and Barbara Marciniak have give me permission to post these.  It
>is alright to spread this around.  So if anyone would like a copy of all 17
>articles in one big email file contact me by email.
>

She's been talking to the wrong Pleiadeans. Hatonn, the one being channeled
by the guy with The Phoenix Liberator, has all this good stuff about how
the earth is about to pass through the Photon Belt any day now.

In fact, they even channel Jesus Christ himself, who is in the Pleiades
these days.

(By the way: the Phoenix Liberator seems to be a group of Space Nazis.
They also channel stuff about how 'the Holocaust is a hoax,' and the
"Protocols of the Meetings of the Zionist Men of Wisdom.")


-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
Subject: Re: 10k Christians perform miracles ever so quietly
Organization: HFS, Inc., McLean VA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.181004.4613@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>My personal experience with 'believers' has been fairly horrific.  When my
>very devout mother was dying of terminal cancer, some of her church group
>showed up and very accusingly told my sister and me that she would be healed
>if we would only 'believe and pray for her'.   We were extremely exhausted
>and grieving for our poor mother and these total strangers (!) were intimating
>that the reason she was dying was because we didn't have faith!
>
>Sue


Sue, I'm truly sorry other human beings would do this to you,
whatever their religious beliefs might be.  I have strong personal
feelings on this very subject, but even if someone felt as your
mother's church group did, there is still such a thing as empathy
and confort to someone who is dying.  Anyways, I sincerely hope
you don't, lump all 'believers' into the insensitive and callous
category...

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Psychology of Skepticism (Was Re: Faith and sceptics.)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:54:55 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <1992Oct16.040731.20207@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>Also when a new claim is somewhat offbeat, the skeptic's tactic of saying
>"the onus is on you to prove it's true," is not Popperian.

But your claim IS the same damned lie we've been hearing again and again in
this group recently.  Skeptics ask for EVIDENCE, not proof.  Can you tell the
difference between the two Derek?  I didn't think so.

>Because Popper only proves things false. The claimant obviously can't
>prove his claim is false, as he's the one who is claiming it to be true.
>So the philosphical onus is on the Skeptic to prove it false. (I'm
>assuming that scientific skeptics subscribe to Popperian objectivity).

OK, Derek, here's a claim:  You are, without a doubt, one of the ten most
moronic people posting to the net.  The onus is on YOU to prove that claim
false.  Do you see what's wrong with your analysis?  If you don't that's
evidence (not proof) that my claim is true.

>Where it goes wrong, is when some skeptics do not have the self-esteem
>to simply admit that they are closing their minds out of economy and putting
>faith in their intuition.

Derek, where did you get your degree in psychology?  Sears, Roebuck, & Co.?
Stop with the bullshit pop psychology.  I'm thinking more and more that it IS a
case of projection on your part.

>In summary, I think what Mark Fernee was trying to say, was that
>"extreme skeptics" have a distorted world veiw in that they think
>they are the only part of the RHS of the above equation.

Please, Derek, give us some examples for these "extreme skeptics" you seem to
believe are going to cause an end to all progress.  Who are they?  We've asked
Fernee, and he apparently can't tell us.  Maybe you can.  Or is there some
conspiracy, where these "extreme skeptics" are actually controlling things and
the fact that you don't know who they are is PROOF that they exist?  C'mon
Derek, how about just a smidgen of evidence in support of your claims?
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The "Extreme" skeptic  (Was Re: Faith and sceptics.)
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:36:15 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct16.145912.9114@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.040731.20207@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>
>Please post your experiences where this is the case.  I am skeptical
>about your claim.  All of the really creative people that I know or have
>watched in operation have a strong skeptical component.  These are scientists
>and engineers who have developed new, innovative ideas in medicine, computers,
>and other disciplines.  None of these people are afraid to have their ideas 
>tested by others.  So please post your tests of the "Extreme Skeptic Principle
>(hah! - ESP (totally accidental)) so that we may test it.
>
>GXKambic

You think that's accidental?!  Accidental??!!

Derek "Usually to be Ignored" Abbott posts transparently bogus arguments
and no evidence at all nor, as you observe, even any potential tests of his
thesis.  Clearly he has used ESP to divine the principle, as well as to
define it, leaving the intuitively appealing procedure of ESP as the
obvious procedure of choice for its demonstration and elucidation.

RDNelson
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,rec.org.mensa
From: riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Stories.....
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:05:04 GMT
Followup-To: sci.skeptic
Organization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD

In article <1992Oct4.184226.4535@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>
>Maybe I should post the story about God, the Angel and Marijuana......
>
>
>Sue

Err...would this story be fiction or non-fiction ? :)

Bill R.

"My opinions do not represent those of my employer or any 
government agency."

-- 
Bill R.
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Summary: Another movie is more appropriate
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:13:42 GMT

Sorry confused attributions deleted to avoid offending:
> |> 
> |> 	Heh heh heh.  Man goes to Moscow, can't remember a thing about
> |> it.  Anyone ever see "The Manchurian Candidate?"
> |> 
>  	Heh heh heh.  Man attends meeting in the white house on support 
> 	to Iraq, can't remember a thing about it.  Anyone ever see 
> 	"The Manchurian Candidate?"

A better movie to study this year is "The Senator Was Indiscreet" in
which William Powell plays an ancient, fuzzy headed senator who gets
to run for President (even though his own party knows he's
imcompetent) because he knows where the bodies are buried.  Funny
thing - he always called his wife "mommy". :-)

marc colten
From: timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Tim Ikeda)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.sources
Subject: Re: LARSONIAN Physics and Astronomy
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:05:10 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: mendel.berkeley.edu


From: jeh@raster.kodak.com (Ed Hanway)
>
CAPS lock key worn out FROM OVERUSE?  Are your EARTH-shattering theories TOO
important for LOWER CASE?  Well, help is on the way.  The following filter
will give YOUR TEXT THE EMPHASIS it deserves.

/* Usage:                                       */
(.... etc .....)
>

Ohhhh! I LIKED that!!!!
Well done, Ed!

Regards - Tim Ikeda
(timi@mendel.berkeley.edu  *OR*  timi@wormsex.berkeley.edu)
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS and Legislation of morality
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct13.194212.22997@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>In article <21173@plains.NoDak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
>>In article <11OCT199212142038@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>>>You are almost exactly right.  The total number of AIDS cases in North Dakota
>>>reported to the CDC is 25.  It has the lowest AIDS rate of any state in the
>>>U.S.  There were only 5 new cases from July 1990 to June 1991 and only 1
>>>new case from July 1991 to June 1992 (0.2 cases per 100,000 population).
>>
>>I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but it's somewhere in the 200-300 range.
>>The figure of 25 isn't currently correct.
>
>I suspect that Jim is about to come up with references.  You got any?

Jim's numbers can be found in the CDC reports, which were just posted to
sci.med.aids.  Jim, as usual, is accurate.
-- 
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the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
Xref: sparky sci.skeptic:17681 alt.binaries.pictures.d:4759 talk.origins:12765
From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: Re: creationism-explained.gif (part 01/01) [cartoon]
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.binaries.pictures.d,talk.origins
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:44:12 GMT

lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>Could someone clever please explain the creationism-explained
>cartoon. Are strings, torches and batteries, dogs and chickens
>meant to equal the earth or what??

If you're trying to figure out the joke, the cartoon's basically
poking fun at creationism's pseudoscientific nature.  Gary
Larson's quite a paleontology buff, so it shouldn't be surprising
that he would caricature creationists in such a demeaning way.

--
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				 will delete it and the writing will be
				 just as it should be."  - Mark Twain
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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,can.general,tor.general
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Hawaii trip "contest" (was: Is this a scam)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:35:30 GMT

>In article <1992Oct9.185206.4371@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca>, ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Ted Powell) writes in part:
>|> >The deal was that, if one joined the health club for a "free" membership
>|> >costing $250 one won a free trip for two to Hawaii (airfare only). 

A friend of mine "won" a round trip to Daytona, Fla. Reading the
documentation he obtained it was clearly stated that he had to book a room
in a very specific fancy and expensive hotel for at least one week at their
'regular rates'. These regular rates are normally much more expensive that
those you obtain if booking independently. My theory was that they had an
arrangement with the hotel, by which the tickets could be paid by the
hotel's overpayment. It could also be that they give the price and hope
that you'd not claim it given that you'd have to spend so much in hotel (by
not being able to choose the one you could easily afford). Needless to say
that my friend didn't claim the prize. 

Javier.


Newsgroups: sci.research
From: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu (K. M. A. Rahman)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Re: sputter targets (attention electron microscopists)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:57:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: na
Reply-To: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu
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In article <138794@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov (Alison Chaiken) writes:
I am looking to buy a gold or silver sputter target for a Hummer V
sputter machine.  The company we bought the machine from, Technics
Electron Microscopy, has evidently gone out of business, and there is
no listing for Hummer in the _Physics Today Buyers' Guide_.  Does
anyone know how to contact the company that makes Hummer sputtering
machines?  Alternatively, does anyone another source of gold 3" ring
targets?  I see that electron microscopy supply companies like Fullam
sell small gold targets, but I don't know if they will fit.

Thanks in advance!
---

Alison Chaiken				chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov
(510) 422-7129				OR alison@wsrcc.com
Look if you like, but you will have to leap.
>
===========================================

	Try Ted Pella: 1-800-237-3526

	Engelhard is another big company but I don't have
	their phone no. handy.

	-Anis.
From: cln@iris3.chem.fsu.edu (Chris North)
Subject: Re: Stipend taxation bill (update)
Organization: Florida State University -- Structural Biology Program
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:44:35 GMT


  I think you people have missed the point here.  This is not about incentives
or whether someone deserves a break.   This is about the amount of money that
the government spends to support research.

  The money for research assistants and teaching assistants comes from
the grant money which universities get for research from the government.
When the they tax this money, they are in effect just putting money in
one end and taking it out the other.  And dilluting the money through an
enormous amount of expensive paperwork in the process.

When the tax was initiated, the institutions had to increase the amount 
of support to make up the difference in order to avert a morale
disaster.
The end result of the tax has been to reduce the federal support for
research.   Removing the tax would stop the waste of bleeding off
money which should be going into research.

cln
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: a second PhD ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:31:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Research Lab


I know a French prof who picked up a Juris Doctorate in his spare
time.  I also had a neighbor who already had a PhD in Physics who was
thinking of getting one in Ceramic Engineering.  He'd picked up his
Physics PhD at the tender age of 21, so he had some time on his hands.

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From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: A 2nd Ph.D
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:17:48 GMT

Pardon my pessimism, but why after you have spent time getting one Ph.D would
you waste the time to get another one.  ALthough you must consider that I am 
just finishing a Ph.D and am rather burned out, it seems to me that with your
training, you don't need a Ph.D in another filed to be viable in that field,
particularly if you are interested in modelling physical phenomena.

My experience, after having interacted a fair deal with the numerical methods
group in the CS department at my university, is that although CS majors are
very proficient at what they do, they lack the physical understanding that
is necessary to properly model nature.  Instead they consider the systems I
deal with as Laplacians or whatever.

	Forgive my presuppositions.  I may be totally off base as far as your
intentions.  Also, those of you with CS degrees, please don't flame me.  As I
said, the CS majors I have interacted with have great skills, some of which IO
envy terribly, but being a scientist, I find it hard to model a problem unless
I have a good understanding of the physical phenomena involved.  This was my 
point

Magdi N. Azer
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Underproduction of scientists and engineers
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.112201.9346@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, clements@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes...
>In article <BvrHzq.46v@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:
>> 
>> 	Strange as it may seem, the need for lawyers is going to increase
>> by 70% by the year 2000  (Career Futures-Magazine), the fact that there
>> 
>> 		James
> 
>Do they give any reason for why there need to be more lawyers in the US?
> 
>I have been told that a study has shown that GNP increases by 3% for each 1% of
>extra engineers a country produces, but decreases by 1.5% for each 1% or extra
>lawyers. I guess then that the US economy is going to continue its decline...

	Probably ( I hope not ), we will continue our decline regardless
of the next President, unless the Congress and the Prez get rid of all the
			*ss, in Government-
			Too much kissing it
			Too much coverning it.
	We need more research in alternantive energy, transport, etc.  .
		And I'm not saying that cause I want a job.

> 
>The prevalence of lawyers in administration may also explain some of the
>worst excesses of management...
>                                                                       
	I'm not sure on that either way, but I've heard that a major 
upcoming problem is going to be the cost effectiveness(sp?) of R&D scientists
moving from Gov. research to the private sector.
	The Government R&D priority is usually their deadline irrespective of
extra costs, whereas the private sector is more concerned with cost,( I guess
when your spending your OWN MONEY....), so that with the influx of Gov. people
to private jobs, keeping the budgets trim will be a major concern.

			Anyone out there going through it now???


>-- 
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>================================================================================
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					Jim
From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Stipend taxation bill (update)
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:08:07 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
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In article <1992Oct8.154435.25051@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, cln@iris3.chem.fsu.edu (Chris North) writes:
|> 
|>   I think you people have missed the point here.  This is not about incentives
|> or whether someone deserves a break.   This is about the amount of money that
|> the government spends to support research.
|> 
|>   The money for research assistants and teaching assistants comes from
|> the grant money which universities get for research from the government.
|> When the they tax this money, they are in effect just putting money in
|> one end and taking it out the other.  And dilluting the money through an
|> enormous amount of expensive paperwork in the process.
|> 
|> When the tax was initiated, the institutions had to increase the amount 
|> of support to make up the difference in order to avert a morale
|> disaster.
|> The end result of the tax has been to reduce the federal support for
|> research.   Removing the tax would stop the waste of bleeding off
|> money which should be going into research.
|> 
|> cln
|> 


Not every institution increased support in reaction to the legislation.
Some put up with lower morale.  After all, quoting no one in particular,
"It wasn't our fault."  And it wasn't.

-- david
primeaux@cs.utk.edu
From: hofi@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: PostDoc in Australia wanted
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:57:10 MET
Keywords: PostDoc Australia
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland



I'm a swiss scientist (chemist, PhD in physical chemistry) working in the field 
of "soft condensed matter" (colloids, microemulsions, polymers, gels,
networks). 

I'm looking for a postdoctoral research position in Australia for about one  
year, starting at January 1994.

Is there somebody with helpfull informations (addresses, etc)?

Thanks

          Urs Hofmeier

My Address:
Urs Hofmeier
Institut fuer Physikalische Chemie
Universitaet Basel
Klingelbergstrasse 80
CH-4056 Basel, Switzerland

Phone: 0041 61  2673816
FAX:   0041 61  2673855
E-Mail: hofi@urz.unibas.ch
        hofi%urz.unibas.ch@cernvax.bitnet