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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: How Do You Celebrate Hannukah?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:11:42 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Dec11.130211.26584@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
> 
> 
> 	I buy a Christmas Tree.

Congratulations.  You're rapidly locking up the title as the most
obnoxious -- or stupid, or just plain insensitive -- regular poster to
misc.kids (not that you weren't one of the strongest contenders
before).

Please go away -- if not from the newsgroup as a whole, at least from
discussions that don't concern you.  (I suppose that might have been an
amazingly feeble attempt to claim that your particular flavor of
Christianity is somehow ``better'' than Judaism.  I won't waste my
breath discussing any such topic with anyone, but if you really want
to, take it to talk.religion, or maybe even /dev/null -- there's a limit
to the depths that even talk groups have plumbed, and I assure you, you've
far exceeded it.)

I have no problem with people who have different religious beliefs, or
different child-rearing philosophies, than I do.  But I have no patience
whatsoever with this sort of behavior.  If my kids act up -- well, at least
they have an excuse.  You have none whatsoever.  I repeat -- go away.  Now.

		--Steve Bellovin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Crawling and Reading (Was AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185025.13015@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

>Also, certain techniques associated with some success in physical
>theraphy for brain-damaged patients works quite well for dyslexic
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>chidren.  The crawling therapy is one of those.  Though from what
>I remember reading, it seems to enjoy very limited success.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe I missed something, but I'm experiencing a bit of cognitive
dissonance here.   Could you please clarify this?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lisa - The Smiley Lion Book
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:58:29 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Dec17.180819.25467@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>Just in case the mail didn't work. . .The Smiley Lion Book is now called
>"My Counting Book" by Marybob Baker.  It is no longer a Golden Book.

I did not read the original post but assume that someone is looking
for the book. I just bought it yesterday at the "Everything is 1$"
store. It was published by Merrigold Press under the changed name.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  I hope this helps

     Angela
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.225707.21594@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.205715.11830@clpd.kodak.com>, staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>> Is there a one-word description for the couple expecting a baby?
>
>How about "tired"? :-)

No, that really comes after the couple HAS the baby at home.  ;-)  'expecting'
or 'parents-to-be' describe the couple.  Pregnant describes the woman.  How
else would you differentiate between the roles of mother- and father-to-be?
How would you describe the physical act?  I always said I was gestating; this
is biologically correct, but then again, so is pregnant.

I think the emotion conjured up by 'we're pregnant' is unfairness.  While
going through a very difficult and complicated pregnancy, I often wished it
was my husband and not me who was pregnant as he is healthier.  After the
baby I wish he could have a second baby; I'd love one, but am scared and
reluctant to do it again (although I may change my mind).  I am not a saint;
I do resent (slightly) having to bear the total physical burden of being
pregnant.  I think that is where the resentment of the phrase comes in.

Some women may not feel this way; others may not quibble over the semantics.
Honestly it sounds like a yuppie phrase to me.  'We're pregnant' is so
PC; it is as if the burden was equally shared in this era of sexual
equality.  However, as much as I would wish it otherwise, pregnancy is
one area that has yet to be equally shared.  

There are many aspects as a couple that are largely one partner's although
the other partner is supportive.  For example, if my husband gets a 
promotion at work, and I've been helping his career, I would not say
'we got a promotion.'  He got the promotion, but I helped.  Well I
was pregnant, but he helped.

Again, those of us who prefer 'I'm pregnant' vs. 'we're pregnant'
do not want to diminish the happiness of the men (and women) who
have used this phrase to announce their pregnancies.  We're merely
discussing the phrase.  I wish all you pregnant women (and men ;-) )
the happiest of outcomes.
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117				

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: cookie making worries
Reply-To: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.023519.12906@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, J.Osborne@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
|> Shock! Horror! You poor old Yanks!
|> 
|> I've been reading your stories of Salmonella in amazement. I would never think
|> of not licking the bowl out after making a cake or biscuits (I'm English,
|> living in Australia) - not to mention having several tastings as I'm mixing up
|> the dough.
|> 
|> I remember there was a Salmonella scare in England a few years ago and the Egg
|> Marketing Board suffered a massive drop in sales. I've never heard of
|> Salmonella in eggs in Australia since I've been here. How long has it been
|> endemic in the US?
|> 
|> And for any other Australian readers out there - is this a problem anywhere in
|> Australia?
|> 
|> 
|> Jo
|> 
|> ('return to' or 'mail followup' doesn't work - either post to newsgroup or mail
|> to j.osborne@esd.utas.edu.au)


I don't think it is an epidemic I always eat the dough and I have never gotten sick.
The dough is the only reason I make cookies in the first place ;-).

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: ___ Hepatitis B Vaccine ____
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:57:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <GeraldR.199.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>In article <7509@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> delanzo@hri.com (Michael DeLanzo) writes:
>
>>How necessary is this? Is everyone having their children vaccinated for
>>this disease? What is the general consensus?

Unfortunately, the "general consensus" includes a lot of input
from the badly misinformed, as you will probably learn in
followup posts. Anyone who doubts that we should have universal
vaccination for HBV should check out the New England Journal
of Medicine article this week (NEJM vol 327, pg 1794) which
is about is about childhood vaccinations in general but has
the following comments about the HBV vaccine:

-"...the complex epidemiology of (HBV) infection inherently
limits the success of a *selected* (emphasis mine) immunization
program..."

-"Although 8 percent of HBV infections in the U.S. are estimated
to occur in children, these cases represent approximately
36 percent of chronic infections and thus constitute a
substantial reservoir..."

-"...no risk factor can be identified in one third or more
of patients with hepatitis B. Universal immunization will
overcome many of these limitations."

>If your child is in the high rish group it is certainly worth it. Better 
>check with a pediatrician.
>
The author of the above article, along with the CDC (CDCP) would
recommend you proceed regardless of whether your child is
perceived to be in a risk group.

Brian
From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Aspirin for Pregnancy Induced Hypertension?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

We've seen some studies that suggest 80-150 mg/day of aspirin reduces  
PIH.  Anyone tried it?

Alicia, who'd normally be lurking here, sends her greetings.  Any day  
now.

Thanks
-------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele                            rob@ll.mit.edu
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
244 Wood St., M-203            Children are hereditary;
Lexington, MA  02173          if your parents didn't have
617/981-2575                    any, neither will you.
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From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:51:28 GMT

In article <4183@eastman.UUCP> majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak) writes:
>In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>|> 
>|> A recent post contained the statememt: "My
>|> wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
>|> in naming the poster, as this is something I
>|> read/hear quite often.
>|> 
>|> So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
>|> pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
>|> is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
>|> sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
>|> are not experiencing.
>|> 
>Give me a break!  Isn't there a way you can be a little less nitpickey???
>
I realize I should probably just butt out, but this has just brought
back a lot of feelings I have about a number of postings I see here.

I get so weary of the one-upmanship.  I am so tired of people picking
at others' verbiage.  The defensiveness really wears at me.  There is
a *reason* why alt.bonsai is later in my .newsrc than misc.kids.

Look, that little bundle that flutters and kicks didn't get there by
the mother's means only.  Dad had a little to do with it.  Granted,
he might not have the aches, pains, and such, but many pregnant women
don't, either.  On the other hand, some women are so sick that their
husbands are worn out from taking care of them, and *do* have lots of
aches and pains.

Steve Albert's point, of it being more difficult to watch someone
suffer, is well-taken.  I would much rather have bronchitis or the
flu than to have Ray have it.  It's easier to be the sick one.

If Ray and I get me pregnant, as far as I'm concerned, it's our baby.
If he even has to dust one extra time because I'm pregnant, the 
pregnancy is affecting him, too, at that point.  Every time he has
to go to the store, tie my shoes, give me extra backrubs - all that
work is going into *our* pregnancy.  So he doesn't have a uterus to
feel pain in.  So what?  Does that negate the pain he may feel in
the rest of his body due to the effort of helping me grow and deliver
this child?

You may feel that you have been discounted, but I feel you are 
discounting the work that men put into the pregnancies that they
have helped to create.  I suspect that the majority of them work
much harder than you imagine.

Believe me, Dena, I will be very careful how I refer to *your*
pregnancy.  However, I appreciate it if you wouldn't try to tell
me how to refer to *our* pregnancy.
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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:17:32 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
>If my husband had ever said "We're pregnant" within my earshot,
>I would have punched him.

Well, I dunno that I'd have punched mine, but I don't really like the
phrase.  He usually said "We're expecting", "we're going to be
parents", "Beth is pregnant", or (my favorite) "I'm going to be a
dad!"  (Note: being a dad is something I can't share :-)

>If he were the one with the distended belly, the swollen feet,
>the pinched nerves, the roiling stomach, the constipated bowels,
>the fatigued body, and the stretched skin, I would never presume
>to assert that I was capable in any significant way of sharing
>that burden.  Support, yes, share, no.

Even reading this, I want to be pregnant again (and Jordan is only 5
months old, and I still have a few pregnancy pounds to shed).
Hmmmm.....

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Ear Infections
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.190531.6963@ims.com> johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com writes:

>A good reference on this issue is in the book, "How to Raise A Healthy Child
>in Spite of Your Doctor," By Dr. Robert S. Mendelsohn.  The author was a
>pediatrician for 30 years and an Assoc. Prof of Preventive Medicine at the 
>Univ. of Ill. Medical School.

I just wanted to second the recommendation of this book.  The late
Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the greatest whistle-blowers in the U.S.
medical profession; he never hesitated to say what he thought was
wrong with the way medicine was being practiced.

This particular book is especially useful because it describes both how
to tell if your child is really sick enough to need a doctor, AND why
it's not a good idea to go to the doctor if the child isn't really
sick.  The old line that "it can't hurt to see the doctor" isn't
true.

Some of Mendelsohn's advice is pretty radical, and I don't suggest that
you take his advice as gospel.  But I do recommend reading the book and
giving serious consideration to what he has to say.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:04:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

In article <1992Dec18.220533.14225@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <xl=raln@lynx.unm.edu>, kim@m44.unm.edu writes:
>
>.  BTW it's my job to do all diaper changes
>> whenever I am physically present, but my wife has to deal with doctors and
>> insurance company.  A more than even trade, to my mind.
>
>
>Okay, obligatory obnoxious comment:  in our house whoever sees that a diaper
>needs to be changed, does it.  Oh, except big brother--he isn't quite old
>enough to handle the process.  No negotiations, no tradeoffs.  
>
>We have an equal-diaper-opportunity marriage :)  Lord knows, there's
>opportunity enough for both of us!

Heh, heh - but how do you know that those who see it speak up! :-)  Actually,
that's the same way that Mary and I deal with it, but occasionally we
tease each other with "I don't smell anything - _you_ must have found
it... :-)".

Ken
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.051854.12627@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.142411.20790@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich,
>yasu@ll.mit.edu writes:
>>	As far as the topic goes, I am circumcised.  I never knew
>>	I was until I heard the topic in conversation.  Nor did
>>	I understand what the difference was until I *did* look
>>	in the shower.
>>
>>	I think it's like asking if you'd frefer being female.
>>	"I never have been, so I don't know".
>>
>>	I've never been "uncircumcised".
>>
>
>Not wanting to state the obvious, but weren't you born "uncircumcised"?
>
>And what's so darn wrong with the way you were born?
>
>My husband is circumcised but wishes he wasn't.  He feels pretty strongly
>that circumcision is unnecessary and most often done without thought 
>("oh, everybody is circumcised, so my son will be too").  His experiences
>in locker rooms showed that it really wasn't abnormal to be
>uncircumcised-- many guys hadn't been circumcised.  I think it's funny
>that of the mothers I talk to, their main reason for circumcising their
>sons is that they want them to be like everyone else.  

  Wow, those locker rooms must be fun.  The women's rooms are boring.
  We all try to look away from each other.  That ceiling tile sure
  goes with the floor tiles, now don't it?

  I still think that if mothers (now why do the mothers get all the blame?)
  main reason for cicumcising their sons is that they want them to be like
  everyone else, I might as well have had my eyelids cut, since people
  do tend to see your eyes more than your ummm...  Especially as how
  I don't have one of those thingees anyway...
>
>We did not have our son circumcised.  When he asks why his penis looks
>different from daddy's, I'm sure we'll tell him that we didn't want him
>to go through this painful procedure, and that we think his body is just
>fine the way it was when he was born!

  Yep, and my eyelids are just fine the way they are too!  ;-) ( the
  keyboard makes it so that I can only make one eye single-lidded).
>
>--Theresa Jarosz Alberti

  Clare

  p.s. for those of you who need a review, single-lidded is the eyelid
  that doesn't have a crease, you know, the one where the make-up books
  say, put shadow in the crease.  Double-lidded is what most of you
  out there have.  There is a surgery to cut the eyelid and make it
  crease like "normal" people's.
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:58:30 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:

>In my opinion circumcision is both cruel and entirely unneeded.
>In fact Ben Spock does not recommend it nor Dr. Dean Edell.
>These MDS are some of the most well known in the culture.

And neither is a urologist.  Their notoriety has no bearing whatever
on their compentency to speak _on this particular issue._


--
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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Do dcotors still spank newborns?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:58:03 GMT
Summary: tapping bottom of foot?


I thought that the suctioning of the nose/mouth was enough to startle
or annoy the baby to cry/breathe, if not, I thought they just tapped the
bottom of a foot to encourage crying/breathing.  Notice that I said I
thought, not I know.  

Christine
5 (?) weeks and counting.....!!
due 1/19 (?)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel)
Subject: Is my baby feeding too much?
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:01:58 GMT

My wife and I are caught in a dilemma.  Our 6.5-week-old son (~12 lbs)
has a hefty appetite.  When my wife was breastfeeding him (just
stopped a couple of days ago), he wanted to feed every 1.5-2 hours
during the day, less frequently at night.  (He's also been getting a
supplemental bottle of formula at night for the last month.)  Now that
he's totally on formula, we've been keeping closer track of how much
he eats:  44 ounces yesterday, 40 ounces the day before.  He still
feeds frequently and will often down 6.5 ounces of formula at a
sitting.

My wife spoke to a nurse at our Pediatrician's office today to ask if
this was normal.  The nurse said it was too much; that he shouldn't be
getting more than 4-6 ounces every 4 hours.  She said that we should
move him towards a 4 hour feeding schedule; if he cries before that,
distract him, give him a pacifier (which he loves, but which doesn't
work when he's hungry), but don't feed him.

The dilemma for us is: if the baby's hungry, we feel he should eat;
the nurse says that he's eating way too much.  I don't like the idea of
denying formula to a baby who's clearly hungry.  By the way, we don't
try to get him to finish his bottle each time -- I don't want to make
food an issue with him.  I don't trust the pediatric nurses at this
office 100% -- we've already gotten one bit of bad advice from them,
so I try to maintain some skepticism.

We'll probably end up slowing down his feedings some, but we'd like to
hear from the folks in misc.kids about this issue.

Andy

-- 
Andrew Siegel			D. E. Shaw & Co., New York, NY
siegela@deshaw.com		(212)478-0000
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From: peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Broadribb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:01:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au

Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
 
TA> His experiences in locker rooms showed that it really wasn't abnormal
TA> to be uncircumcised-- many guys hadn't been circumcised. I think it's
TA> funny that of the mothers I talk to, their main reason for circumcising
TA> their sons is that they want them to be like everyone else.
 
Hmmm. Things must be a little different here in Australia than the US.
For the entire time that I was at school, I only ever knew one kid who
was circumcised. To be circumcised here would definitely be to be made
different from everyone else. And indeed since leaving school (ok, only
a few years) I've not yet known any circumcised friends or parents with
circumcised boys, at least in as far as I know of course.
--
Peter Broadribb <peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au>      Home Phone: +61 (9) 470 3261
Box 856, Victoria Park WA 6100, Australia     Work fax: +61 (9) 324 2030
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From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:02:54 GMT

>>  My husband won't change poopy or peepee diapers unless the baby's butt is
>>  going to fall off and neither me nor his mother is around.
>>  I also work outside of the home 8 hours+ a day.  And he only
>
>If its any consolation, my sister's husband is like that too. And
>she makes twice as much money at her job than him.  It drives me crazy
>to see her do all the housework, cooking, most of the babycare and 
>work 8+ hours too.  Who do these guys think they are?

I don't know who these guys think they are, but I gotta tell you, I'm
thoroughly impressed by the ability of these women!  I know that Mary and
I barely keep up with everything, in spite of us both tackling everything.
I'm not so sure either of us could handle it alone!  (And, oh boy, when
any combination of us goes down sick, it's a nightmare!!)

Ken
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