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From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:35:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <C168Mo.2I7@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> <1993Jan21.180210.3520@edsr.eds.com>

One should never make a blanket statement or as I have said a million 
times, don't exaggerate.  The old adage that says turn into a skid
is totally correct, if you drive a car that most people did when the
saying started.  This means moderately powered, rear wheel drive. Today
some people drive front wheel drive and some 4 wheel drive and some 
all wheel drive.  The 4 wheel drive systems vary all over the place
in design and in response to skidding and attempts to recover from
skidding.  Several years ago, Ford hired a couple of world class 
rally drivers to test cars of various configurations and they concluded
a lot of interesting things. But I digress.  The pro-rally types have
two rules.  Rear wheel drive, turn into the skid, as the car starts
to recover, turn back. Otherwise of course, you over compensate and
skid in the other direction.  The throttle should be slightly on power
and of course, no brakes.  These days cars have a lot of weight in 
the bumpers  and rotation of the car is hard to stop.  With a front
driver, the wheels are not turned totally into the skid.  Depending
on the yaw attitude of the car, the wheels are left straight or turned 
slightly toward the skid.  A lot a throttle is used because your trying 
to stop rotation of the car and build foward direction so that the rear 
wheels grab and start to turn and regrab the road.  For practice, there
used to be a great ice driving, racing school at Steamboat, maybe its
still there.  Anyway, I usually tell people that a front driver is harder
to loose control in, but having done so, it's much harder to regain control
of.  I'll leave 4 and all wheel drive for another day but feel compelled
to add that recovering from a skid has nothing to do with the fact that
all wheel drive doesn't do much for braking.  I say much because it is
not correct to say that there is no benefit because on slippery surfaces
a driven wheel regrabs easier than a locked non-driven wheel.  This of
course is negated by the lack of driving concentration shown by the 
average 4 wheel driver.
   What I said above may not be totally clear depending upon how well the
reader visuallizes the car and my description, but I never claim to be a
whiz writer.  Best thing is visualize... analyze... and don't skid.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes,email Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: New England Ski Report Wanted
Originator: waw@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:06:12 GMT

From article <C1F97w.8yL@kato.BELL-ATL.COM>, by b1hg0jv@kato.BELL-ATL.COM (Benash):
> I'm planning a ski trip to Stowe, (Mt. Mansfield). Can anyone tell me what
> the current conditions are?

Yesterday (1-25-92) it was pretty good, with 4-6" new snow at the summit.
Patches of deep snow were still found by 4PM, although much ice from
ealier rain had been exposed. Best skiing is first runs of the day, right
after grooming -- unless you prefer the steeps. National is very bumpy and
thankfully ungroomed -- hopefully it will stay that way, although much ice
is beginning to show.

Should be a good week for continued snowmaking and potential natural snow
later in the week.

For full New England reports, telnet to madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000 (3000
is the port number). Select 4) Ski reports from the menu.

Vermont eyewitness reports are often found on the SkiVt-l listserv mailing
list. To subscribe, send the following message to listserv@uvmvm.uvm.edu:

sub skivt-l Your Name
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mj173798@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Michael Emil Johnson)
Subject: WANTED: Atomic Super G skis
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:17:30 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

	If anyone has a pair of Super G skis, in the neighborhood of 220cm I'd be
interested in buying them. e-mail me.


	Incidentally, the lemon pledge that works as antifog is also great as a
quick was for really cold snow.






	M Johnson
            mj173798@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:39:17 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety


leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:

>accident statistics for 
>skiing, it's somewhere between volleyball and table tennis


OK, now I want to know the source of these statistics...I'd love to
cite these on occasion..

Seriosly folks, I've seen lots of references to injury stats...but
no one cites sources...Anybody willing to oblige?

Also think it'd be good for the FAQ!!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:58:43 GMT

In article <93025.174139KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> Karl Keyte
<KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>Is anyone out there in a position to do something about getting a
>'rec.skiing.europe' newsgroup set-up?  How could I request this?

Read the rules for starting new groups in the news.announce.newusers FAQ.

>Would any of you be interested?

You have two choices:
1) start it under the usual net hierarchy,
2) start it under on the existing European hierarchies like de or sub or fr or
what ever the Swiss hierarchy is, or eur.
This is all going to depend on what you see the purpose of starting said
group will be.  You have to answer that question before some of us vote on it.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: patr@cea.berkeley.edu (Pat Ringrose)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Big Sky (Is is worth it?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:42:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for EUV Astrophysics
Originator: patr@sdaf1


I have been hearing a lot of conflicting "information" regarding
the skiing at Big Sky MT.  According to some, there is a fair amount
of excellent expert terrain to play on.  I'm planning on taking a ski 
trip in a few weeks, and I was just wondering if it was worth the drive, 
or should I focus on Jackson Hole and Snowbird?  Also, if it's worth the
trip, does anyone know of a cheap place to stay in/near there?

-- 
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|     _       _				Pat Ringrose		              |	
|    ^.^     ^.^	 	 Center for EUV Astrophysics   		      |
|    \-/     \-/		     2150 Kittredge St.		              |
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: d92adali@IDA.LiU.SE (Adam (Beowulf) Lidvik)
Subject: Re: Skiing in Southern Sweden/Norway
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:15:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.141533.2190@irfu.se> mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik) writes:

>	   Considering the geography I'd go for the alps.


	   Considering the skiing I'd go for the alps.

			Adam.
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Enjoy the day.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:59:36 GMT

george@windslc.nrel.gov writes:
>range, but there is no '6.4% Budweiser'. 

Oh yes there is.  I just had one.  They sell them in the South
Pacific.  I had mine on United Airlines coming home.  Most mass
produced beer in the SoutPacific (Foster's, XXXX, VB, etc) is 4.9%.

--Chris
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:13:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) recommends:

>    For anti-fogging the recommendation on rec.motorcycles is Lemon
> Pledge. I haven't tried it myself, but if you happen to have some around
> the house already it's worth a shot. . . 

Probably freshen that nasty mountain air you'd otherwise be breathing, 
also.

Ric
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: K2 EXTREME skis for sale
Summary: Too expensive
Keywords: Skis for sale
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:00:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1k3m51INNmav@badboy.protocol.zycad.com> panageas@protocol.zycad.com writes:
>
>I have a pair of K2 "EXTREME" skis with GEZE G95 bindings for sale.
>They have been used only once.  Great all around ski,  and lot's of
>fun in the bumps.  Looking for $460.00 or b.o. for the package.

Much as I hate to burst anyone's balloon, I think this is too much.  They
may have been used only once, but they aren't new.  I bought a pair of
Extremes with Marker M48 bindings, all brand new, from a ski specialty
shop (as opposed to a general sporting goods discount store) for less than
the price quoted above.  The price I paid included mounting by an experienced
technician and a new ski tune.  Of course, the bindings were adjusted to my
boots.

The Extreme is an excellent ski which rewards good technique with very nice
response.  They work well on icy steeps and in bumps and crud.  They are
not terribly good cruisers.  If you sit on the tails, they'll make you work
hard.

            John Cooley
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy)
Subject: skiing in may (again)
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:09:39 GMT


What does glacier skiing mean?  (other than the obvious)


I'm still trying to decide where to go in May on my honeymoon.
I got many great responses from my previous posting.  Several
people mentioned Blackcomb/Whistler.  So I decided to call
the Whistler Resort Association.  The person on the phone was
not a skiing expert.  But, she said that there may only be
glacier skiing.  She said that they are open until May 24th
so she knows that there is still skiing.  So what should
this mean to me?  Are the main slopes closed?  How many
slopes are open when there is "glacier skiing"?  Are the slopes
on the glacier(s) good?  Is there any noticeable difference?
(Pardon my snow-ignorance --- I'm a water-skier by heart!)

Thanks in advance AGAIN!
-shawn   :-)
From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:09:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com

If you are racing I would suggest a helmet, but for recreational skiing lets not be ridiculous.
Do you wear a helmet when driving to the store in your car, hell no.  But would you wear
a helmet if you are racing a car on a track, hell yes.  If people feel comfortable skiing with
a helmet go ahead and wear a helmet, but what about a lacerated juggler vein, or a cut
leg, or a cut arm etc.....,  Hey, how about wearing a suit of armour, yeh that's it a suit
of armour.   I think if you look at the statistics you'll find the odds of getting hit by a 
bus is better than getting a head injury from skiing. `

Watch out for those busses.

mg
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From: KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET (Karl Keyte)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:45:16 GMT
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)

Is anyone out there in a position to do something about getting a
'rec.skiing.europe' newsgroup set-up?  How could I request this?
Would any of you be interested?

Karl
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Patrollers...Which Ski?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:54:33 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

BJ (jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:

> Well, Glen.....  I surmise that you don't have a very high opinion of
> them Olin Comp SL's!  What's your opinion on the K2 Extremes?

 Well, my *opinion* is that they're my favorite ski. I love 'em to death.
 However that's largely due to how I'm presently skiing most of the time.
 I won't pretend that it's the ski for everybody...it's not!

 My impression of the Extreme performance:

    Crud: Good performance, not as good as a GS ski.
  Powder: Pretty darn good performance, not tops.
     Ice: Acceptable performance. Edge hold is good, but not great.
  Packed: Great performance, very lively, very quick edge to edge.
  Moguls: Great performance. Very quick. 
  Steeps: Great performance. Can snap 'em through the fall line real quick.
   Speed: Acceptable unless you want to really cruise. Twitchy at high speed.

 The Comp SLs:
    
   "Where's a rock? Ah...that way!"
    

 ..glen
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:00:08 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 14/16 National Ski Patrol
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:36:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Uggh!  I was hoping not to post anymore on this subject, BUT:

1) Let me clarify that I do not support the idea of policing the slopes.  In
fact, I think that the policing that does go on is wrong.  I think that the
ski patrol should simply try to get rid of the really dangerous OOCYs off.
Otherwise, they should let skiers do what they drove to the mountain to do:
SKI!  On the other side, I think that mountains should limit the number of
tickets they sell, like many mountains seem to be beginning to do.  I don't
know much about you all, but I'd much rather pay a few dollars more and have
less people on the slopes.  Not only will there be a more enjoyable time
because of less people, but would also make the area much safer.

2) I admit, I was kinda upset at my little incident.  More so since the
doctor told me to lay off skiing for a couple weeks (in the middle of the
ski season!)  Still, to those who say watch out for other skiers: I do.
I always look back before starting off, always go to the side of the slope
if I'm stopped, but in clear view of people above.  I also try to give myself
plenty of space when overtaking other skiers, etc., etc.

I think we all would agree that the best safety precaution is to use your
brain.  There's still bound to be accidents (my example is pretty good, I
believe).  I wish that the mountains/ski patrol/ski instructors would
advocate thinking as much as technique (some places really do.  Others don't).
       
See you all on the slopes, in a couple weeks at least,
Bob

P.S.  No, I'm not giving up skiing and selling my skis.  If at first you
fall down, get back up so you can fall again! <grin>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:29:56 GMT

In article <C19F1r.99u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bharriso@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Harrison) writes:
>Unless you take a skid school course (which most of us haven't), the first
>thing you should do when you start skidding is "hide your foot".

Hopefully, not in your mouth.  :-)

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: klaus@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Storm Restriction, Deer Valley, Utah
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:54:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan21.235513.22514@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.195158.7587@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:
>
>>I hear Vail's got pretty good visibility... and better beer.
>
>Ah, Utah beer is fine, just fine.
>If you want visibility, ... ski .... Killington.  Yeah, that's the ticket.
>Care for some more Constant Comment(tm)?
>

Constant Comment (tm)  ??? Is that different from Variable Vernacular (sp?)

>>		"To turn is to admit defeat"
>
>Oh, I won't say that.


Did I say that?.. still had the Rollerblade sig... What I meant to say was

		"To turn is to commit the feet"

Yeah.. dats it...

Remember... only four more months till we're white water rafting state street!

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

   Favorite sign: "Watch for snowplows in your lane" .....  no shit!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: malcolm@cm2f.uni-c.dk (Malcolm Brown)
Subject: Skiing in Southern Sweden/Norway
Reply-To: malcolm@cm2f.uni-c.dk
Organization: Thinking Machines
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:41:01 GMT

Hi,

I have been posted to Copenhagen by my company, and I would like 
to do some skiing. Since Denmark doesn't have any snow I thought of
Southern Sweden or Norway.

Can anyone give me recommendations of good places for cross country or
downhill skiing not too far from Copenhagen, which could be reached for 
a weekend trip. 

	Thanks,

		Malcolm
From: shu@access.digex.com (zatoichi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Seven Springs PA
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:28:24 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Seven Springs PA
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Keywords: 


Hey, I'm new to skiing, and Seven Springs is one of my hangouts (I live
half-time in Pittsburgh).  I'm no great expert about ski resorts, but I
can pass a little info.

New Year's eve was pretty wet and rainy, although people were skiing.  But
the warm spell over New Year's and the days after was pretty destructive. 
The entire base was destroyed, and there was a lot of mud.  This I know
from a friend who is a national ski patrolman who runs a lot of training
sessions out there.  The following weekend things froze up, and snowmaking
was on full, leaving a lot of granular because of the weather, I guess. 
But that Sunday, they got a nice dusting, and I've heard things have been
fine ever since.

--zatoichi
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com (bob geer)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Reply-To: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:10:48 GMT

mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt) writes:

>I will hopefully be returning once more to SLC to ski little cottonwood
>again this year.  I was there this December and bought some beer at
>a grocery store.  I don't remember if it took twice as long to catch
>a buzz but someone told me that UTAH beer is rated PG-13.  Something like
>half the alcohol % of beer sold in most other states.

>Is this right, Pussy beer?!?

The only thing weaker than Ootah beer is O'Doulle`s (or however the
hell they spell it -- I never drink it!)  Pussy beer?  No pussy I know
would be caught dead drinking this beer...it sucks big time.

Actually, the law is 3.2% (I can never remember by weight or by
volume).  Funny thing is, all the beer companies make this crap & the
population here has to be under 2 mil, & with the predominent religion
claiming 70% of the state, that means 600 thou is the max number of
beer drinkers.  Is that a reasonable market segment to market 3.2%
beer to?  Must be...go figure!

Funny thing is, years ago when the popular thing to do was to take a
little trip to Evanstan, Wyoming, to buy your beer, some ignernt
(Ootah spelling) gov't official had the state chemist assay non-Ootah
beer & found the average to be just 3.8%.  Now, the state chemist, no
doubt a good-standing member of the predominent local religion,
concluded it was foolish to drive all the way to Wyoming to buy your
beer; the rest of us non-good-standing non-members concluded it was
foolish to put a 3.2% limit on beer that was mostly 3.8% anyway.  But
you know who wins those kinds of battles.

So, the best conclusion is that somewhere else is the best place to
ski, since the beer there is bound to be better.  Besides, we have
crummy snow this year, & Idaho doesn't really exist!
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: Re: Red Mountain, Canada
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:49:40 GMT

In article <11177@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kenb@vice.ico.tek.com writes:
>It looks like I'm going on a road trip to Red Mountain.
>
>I think I've heard of this place, but I need to be filled in.

 I went there a few years ago, we stuffed 15 people into two
 hotel rooms! (we was poor college students)
 Small ski resort atmosphere, really a nice place.
>
>Does this place have good steep runs?  With Bumps?  Air?

I remember some pretty neat bump runs and towards the end of the 
trip I found some steep trees with ungodly powder. I wish I knew 
some locals.

>
>How about Chutes or out of bounds backcountry stuff?
>
I tried a bit of backcountry around the hotel. Be careful, this is
mining country, lots of abandoned mine shafts under the snow.

>The trip is set for Feb 4-7.  It's nice to know that this storm that
>blew hard through here is on it's way into southern Canada (since I
>think their base may be a littl thin).
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ken "not a fair weather skier" Berger
From: arden@aerie.Eng.Sun.COM (Michelle Arden)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: N. CA/X-country backcountry skiing instruction
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: arden@aerie.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerie

My husband and I would like to take a day or two of backcountry
x-country skiing instruction, possibly in conjunction with an
overnight "hut" stay. We would want to stay in N CA - Sierra
assumed, although we would certainly consider going further
north to Lassen area/Trinity Alps area.

We would probably want a private lesson - 
we are both advanced beginners/intermediate x-country skiers,
and primarily want to develop better skills in going downhill,
plus some tips for skiing with full packs.

I'm looking for any suggestions/insight on places that people
have gone that might fit the above requirements. I'm considering
Kirkwood, or a place near there called the "Cody Hut".

I will summarize and post responses to the net.

Thanks for any responses.

Michelle