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From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:26:04 MST
Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept

>> You both seem to agree that child molesters are bad.  You disagree about
>> whether homosexuality is also bad.  Why is your judgement on homosexuality
>> superior to his judgement?  Society used to ban homosexuality and child
>> molestation.  Now you are working to make sure it only bans child 
>> molestation.  Perhaps the child molesters will work to make sure they are
>> also socially acceptable and your words will be viewed as bigoted by
>> a later generation.  Will that make child molestation "right" and "good"?

As the other poster pointed out... The morality of the actions are irrelevant
from a legal standpoint, what is important is consent.  A child being molested
is by definition non consenting.  Even if a child had agreed, they do not
have the power for full self autonomy because they are under their parents
protection and "jurisdiction".  Therefore child molestation as molestation
will always be illegal (as long as the individual has certain freedoms).
Child sex in general will be illegal as well, as long as the state decides
that it will be.... of course in "Brave New World" the children all 
willingly have sex and it is legal.

>> You dislike the idea that society may proscribe homosexual activity because
>> you engage in homosexual activity.  Too damn bad.  There is action which,
>> no matter how pleasant it may be to the actor(s) involved, should not be
>> allowed in a society.  

I dislike the idea that society may prohibit homosexual activity because
I believe in individual rights.  The individual should have freedom of
choice of their own destiny and welfare, and not be allowed to dominate or
hurt others. (denying their individual rights)  Therefore homosexuality is 
within the law and child molestation is outside of the law.  




Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: How do I find an attorney in WV?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:09:30 GMT

I need an attorney to handle a child support "modification." I'll spare
netters the personal details.  It has to be done in WV.  Living in South
Florida, how can I find a competent attorney that can practice in WV to
handle the case?

Please don't hesitate to send me any information that might help.
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Men farting
Keywords: Petty Treason
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:53:02 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <1992Nov4.065323.21651@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> 
noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov3.185205.26384@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> 
>bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov3.025605.21006@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> 
>>jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:

>>) just out of curiosity, is it an inborn thing for men to fart and 
>>) find it amusing?  My husband likes to fart in bed and then try to 
>>) pull the covers over our heads while laughing!  I think he's a 
>>) disgusting pig!  He has all ready taught our two sons, aged 3 
>>) and 1, that farting is a neat thing to do, or going back to my 
>>) original question, were they born this way?

This posting puzzled me.  I racked my brain, trying to figure out
what there was about it that merited inclusion in "misc.legal."

Then it struck me:  Petty treason!  It's posted here because it's 
an act of petty treason.

See, every now and then we read that So-and-So Public Figure is guilty
of "high treason."  Why not just plain "treason"?  The answer lies in
the old English Common Law.  There were two kinds of treason, high and
petty.  Both involved disloyalty to someone to whom the perpetrator is
supposed to be loyal.  If the crime consisted of disloyalty to the King,
it was "high treason."  If it consisted in an employee's disloyalty
to his employer, or a wife's disloyalty to her husband, it was only
"petty treason."

For a wife to tell sixty-odd thousand people on Usenet that her husband
farts in bed is rank disloyalty, and amounts to petty treason -- which
would be a crime if the old English Common Law were still in force.
(It used to be that Maryland lawyers could check a reference work called
_Alexander's British Statutes_ to find out which pre-1776 British laws
were still in force in Maryland.)  For her to call him "a disgusting pig"
is _lashon hara`_, the "evil tongue," a terrible crime against G-d's law
that can easily cost the perpetrator her share in the World to Come.

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

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Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.privacy
From: drears@pica.army.mil (Dennis G Rears <drears>)
Subject: The Computer Privacy Digest
Organization: U.S. Army  Armament Research Development & Engineering Center, Dover NJ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:20:21 GMT

  I am posting the following because I believe it might be of interest to
alt.privacy and misc.legal.  I have been told that a lot of regular
USENET news readers are unaware of this news group.

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   This newsgroup is to provide a forum for discussion on the effect of 
   technology on privacy. All too often technology is way ahead of the 
   law and society as it presents us with new devices and 
   applications.  Technology can enhance and detract from privacy. 
   This newsgroup will be gatewayed to an internet mailing list. 
  
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: 4 Q's: Deadly Self-Defense Against Rape
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:41:00 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov10.210555.17644@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.193943.4958@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
# #Four questions which arose in a more-or-less unrelated topic elsewhere
# #on the Net:
# #	1) Is it generally true that deadly self-defense is allowable
# #	   against rape, even if the (rape) victim's life doesn't appear to be 
# #	   in any immediate danger? I've seen some extracts from the Model 
# #	   Penal Code (see Section 2.04. Use of Force in Self-Protection. (2) 
# #	   (b)) that seems to suggest that it _is_ generally allowable, but 
# #	   the Black's definition of "self-defense" ("..., but it is never 
# #	   reasonable to use deadly force against his nondeadly attack"), 
# #	   along with some other sources, seems to suggest the opposite.
# 
# In this day of aids, all rape should be considered a deadly assault.

Even before AIDS, California law allowed deadly force to be used to
prevent rape, because it was a common law felony, and usually 
considered "great bodily harm."  We had a liberal on our state
supreme court named Rose Bird who wrote a decision some years ago
insisting that rape was not "great bodily harm."  Fortunately, that
piece of liberal justification for rapists was just overturned
by California's courts.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au (Neil P Dillon)
Subject: WANTED: Legendary abs routine
Summary: WANTED:  Legenday abs routine
Keywords: abs
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:00:27 GMT

Yes, I have lost the infamous "legendary abs routine".  Can someone PLEASE
mail it to me!!!

Thanks in advance!!!!!

Neil P. Dillon
u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: any sports medicine types out there?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:49:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.213515.1388@chesapeake.ads.com> lkenas@chesapeake.ads.com (Lisa Kenas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.201715.22810@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>I have what I suspect is an overuse injury (for lack of a better term).
>>After sitting for an extended period of time, I am unable to put weight
>>on my right hip joint.  After I limp a few steps, the "stiffness" seems
>>to work out, and I am fine.  In fact, I am still doing 6+ miles of 
>>walking a day and 1/2 hour on the StairMaster 3x a week.
>>
>I've had the same problem with my hip joint, only for me, it was with
>both hips.  When the problem started initially, my primary exercises
>were walking and the using the Stairmaster a few times a week.
>Ignoring it only meant that I had a real problem walking painlessly a few
>months later, so I wouldn't recommend that.  :-)
>
>I'm not a sports medicine person, but I do have a suggestion you might want
>to look into.  I have found that Step Aerobics (believe it or not!) is much
>less irritating to my hip joint than the walking/jogging motions seem to be,
>as long as I don't use a high step (I use just the board- no extra blocks).
>It has also done much more to improve my aerobic capacity than the walking
>or stair master ever did.  I think the "march in place" movements that make
>up much of the step classes are some how much less irritating to my hips
>than the striding motion of walking.
>
>Note that regular low-impact aerobics did more harm than good when I tried
>it once- I ended up having to stop my workouts for a week until the soreness
>in my hips subsided.  Interestingly enough, I've also talked to a few other
>people who have had the same experience with step vs. aerobic exercise of
>other forms.  
>
>Lisa
>

Lisa-

	I found what you said interesting.  Im a big stair-climber fan.
I noticed there are a few differnt brands of stair-climber machines on
the market and in the gyms.  They tend to give very differnt workouts.
"Stairmaster" brand.....frankly I hate it.  It is designed to make you
take tiny steps and if you loosen it up to take big ones it is overly
strenuous.  My school's gym however has "LifeCycle" brand  which allows
me to have a wide range of motion at a steady pace which works well for
me as long as I keep decent posture.  Did you mean "Stairmaster" brand
or just stairmaster in general?

Steve
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 18:56:13 CST
From: <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: My Squat Story (thanks for help)

Hello all,

 A couple of weeks ago, I had asked whether knee wraps can be bad for
my knees.  The general response was "Yes."  I am 20, and started
lifting about 3 yrs ago.  I weighed about 120 lbs then, and am at
130 lbs now (I am male, 5'4").  Although I did not increase much in
mass, I did get stronger, especially in those exercises I used
to do throughout high school.

 Anyway, there I was, a year ago, happy with my program, when I
decided to add squats.  I started out well, with proper form, but
then the "mass bug" bit me.  I sacrificed form for poundages,
and in ten months was squatting 285 lbs for 7 reps, and aiming for
300 lbs.  I did those "half" squats where my thighs never quite
got parallel to the floor.  Right from the start, I always used
knee wraps as a preventive measure.  I never had any problems with
my knees before.

 About 2 months ago, I dropped 100 lbs from the squats, started going
deeper down, and eventually dropped the knee wraps to strengthen
my tendons.  I also added leg presses on the sled.  I must say,
the results have been noticeable.  I've gotten better definition
in my glutes, and just "feel" like I'm getting a better workout
even though the weight is decreased.  Hey, isn't that what
working out is all about?  So, I'm having fun.

 Moral of the story: Pay attention to form. At least for me, it's
not how much you do, but how well you do it.  I believe in this
so strongly, I thought I'd share it with you... and you... and
you...

Oh, thanks for all the helpful suggestions you folks have
been sending me.  It's your comments that made me switch.


Aijaz.
   X X X        X X X    Aijaz A. Ansari             U28022@uicvm.uic.edu
                                    The above are my opinions and
=@   =####=   @=                   not necessarily anyone else's.
                 "Hey! Don't slam those dumbells on my computer!"
   X X X        X X X    458 Playing uproariously can help unhealthy kids
From: DMS161@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Recurring Shoulder Injury
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:30:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92316.203029DMS161
Organization: Penn State University

I have had a recurring shoulder problem for a few years now and it is hampering
my ability to work-out.

The initial injury occured while playing intramural football while blocking.  I
believe it was the result of my arms/shoulders being knocked up and back for
several hours (we had to play three straight hour games).  The next day, and
for the next few months, I couldn't lift my arms above my head without
considerable pain.  I was finally able to do military presses without pain
about 4 months later, except that I now have popping in both shoulders.

About a month ago, I reinjured one shoulder by you guessed it, playing
football.  This time the injury was self induced when I flung one arm around
hard and fast, I heard a pop, then pain.


Is this injury a form of a dislocation or something else?
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Ironing out Lethargy?
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: glex@nitro


In article <1992Nov10.020821.2473@cheshire.oxy.edu>, ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
|>   A question on vitamins...
|>   I have been consistently having trouble getting my lazy butt out of bed.
|> I've slept through classes several times, and if left alone will sleep 
|> until 2 p.m. despite what time I went to bed the night before.  Once I do
|> get up I'm fine--I don't feel particularly tired...but first I have to
College is hell on the sleep cycle.  Diet and exercise during the day can't
hurt, but the biggest part of being able to wake up is to get your body
into bed at the same time and up at the same time 7 days per week.  Those
all-nighters on the weekends throw your body totally out of wack.  Put the
alarm across the room so you have to get up to turn it off.  Everyone is
different when it comes to how much sleep they need.  Getting out of bed is
more mental then physical, unless someone has you tied down... :-D, so force
your self up and into the shower, and look forward to what you're going to do
during the day, not how hard it is to get up.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Subject: Re: Q's re. back exercises
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:41:17

In article <1992Oct28.101007.4603@verifone.com> rachim_t1@verifone.com writes:

>Am I working the same back muscles when I do T-bar rows (narrow grip) and
>seated pulley rows (narrow grip) ?  

They both work the muscle a bit differently, but the details are beyond my
abilities as far as the Ennglish language is concerned.

>Also, aren't these similar to bent over dumbell rows?
>And, do narrow grip underhand pulldowns get lower back width or what?

I find that both of these work the lower part of the lats (=lower back width).
If you really want to know the exact parts of the back worked by these, try
overtraining them for one training session. Do only one back exercise and
do MANY sets (20*20 was what Vince Gironda used). The muscle you worked will
be sore. (surprise!)

Many times the same exercise works a little differently for different people,
because the execution varies. 

>(back is my favorite bodypart and I always want to do EVERYTHING but I know it
>would be overkill).

Mine too. I think it's hard to overtrain the back, at least much harder than
shoulders, for example. Just do chins till you drop and start barbell rowing...

>thanks
>rachim_t1@verifone.com

--
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: silver@wam.umd.edu (Adam H. Silver)
Subject: Re: Steroids:  The Real Story
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:28:12 GMT

In article <16860@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>I will be reposting a revised copy on Monday.
>
>							-Adam
>
>-- 
>     **********************************************************************
>     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>     **********************************************************************

The news server on my main machine is messed up a little.  I'm not going to
post my revisions until I see that everything is in working order.  Sorry
for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.

							-Adam

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     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se (Pelle Arvinder)
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs
Reply-To: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:50:08 GMT

In article 24494@cltr.uq.OZ.AU, mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:
>
>Anyone know how to get this publication in Australia?
>
>Thanks,
>
>matt
>
Or in Sweden??

Cheers,
       Pelle
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From: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: lose weight with Thermojectics
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: tww40334@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gethsemane.ebay.sun.com



>>If you're interested in buying or selling Thermojectics, or for more
>>information, send me email.
>>
>>------------------
>>Tom Wentworth    :   
>>serch@uiuc.edu   :


   I am not interested in selling this product, but I am interested
   in buying some of it. What does it cost and can you post some in-
   formation regarding what is in it.


   Thanks ...

             Dan S.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller)
Subject: Protien consumption
Keywords: protien
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:34:03 GMT

   I would like some input as to the amount
of protien the body can digest and in what
kind of time period it is used. I have read
that the body can only digest up to 30 gm 
of protien at each meal. Which to my understanding
this means that anything over this amount will
not be utilized by the body.  My friend believes
that this is not true. His reasoning is that if
you intake say 50 gm of protein at say noon and
you do not go to the bathroom until 4:00, the body
will utilize all of the protien. But if you go to the
bathroom at 12:45 you will loose the unused portion
of protien. This does not sound right. Send any replies
to the net so that others can read and reply. (or should
I say fight it out).

                                c-ya Mark
.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Subject: Re: Q's re. back exercises
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:20:50

In article <16830084@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com> jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva) writes:


>A Vince Gironda tip huh. You must be a past iron man reader. I use to be.

I read MuscleMag International. I haven't seen Ironman here (in Finland).

>advertising seems to have tripled. Not as bad as that egomaniac Weider
>though.

The only reason to buy a Weider mag is the pics. I guess they have discovered
that too and the Weider-signed bb's aren't allowed to appear in non-Weider
magazines. I think this stinks. I also hate the image of Joe inventing just
about everything concerning about weight training.

>Jeff

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From: mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: I hate situps
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:17:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: pbhya.1992Nov9.221751.27902
Reply-To: mspayer@PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

Is there an exercise that will do the same thing as situps.
I HATE SITUPS.......I HATE SITUPS.........I HATE SITUPS.

	MSP - mspayer.pacbell.com
	
				......SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
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