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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL? (WHY OR WHY NOT?)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:08:22 GMT

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <farenebt.703531834@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
>>aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>>Thank you for sharing.  We'll do exactly as you say now that we've seen
>>>the light.
>>In your attempt to be sarcastic you neglected to answer the question.

>Some of us think he answered it just fine.  If you don't like it, why
>don't you stand up and answer it?

I guess you are right. He did answer it with his saracasm but I guess I
assumed that people would give reasons for believing as they do. This person
did not.
 
I believe I stated my reasons for believing it's unethical. People have to
right to keep their sexual orientation private if they so desire. They also
have the same right to make it public and be proud of it if they so desire.
I certainly have more respect for those who aren't ashamed of who they are
but I also respect the privacy rights of those who don't.
(exception: those are homophobes in public and homosexual or bisexual
 in private are an exception and should be outed, IMHO)

Perhaps the question should have been phrased:
 
Do you think outing is ethical? WHY OR WHY NOT?
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some obviously think it's ethical. I respect the fact that they disagree with
my opinion but I simply want to know why.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: University of New Mexico's LBGA
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:54:22 GMT

In article <z=zj7jh@lynx.unm.edu> rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
>Subject: UNM's LesBiGay Alliance

>	A poster session with posters marked with various slogans
>ranging from "Lesbians tie their tennis shoes" and "Gay men use
>toothpaste" to (in latin) "The Queen is a Queen and so is the 
>King" (A reference to King James and actual graphitti at the time)
>and "A nation of lovers cannot be defeated." More may occur.

>	We did this last semester but the Campus Crusade for 
>Cthulhu, er, Christ took them all down.

	Um if you incorporate those signs with info about the LBGA
and have the stamp of the STudent government (or whatever stamp
is used by UNM to designate between those allowed by the univ.
and those not allowed), if the KKK, er, CCC then takes them down
and gets caught, one can easily take action against them, n ot to mention
have a field day in other public forums with their "un-Xian-like"
behavior.  I'm sure you already know this... but it was the first
thought that entered my mind.

	Another fun game to play with campus CCC's.  Invite them as
a group to do a community service project in conjunction with your
GBLO*-student group!  Makje this announcement in front of as many
people as possible (say on campus radio).  Watch the spokesperson
from the CCC dither back and forth like a duck in a shooting gallery! :-)
They can't accept because that means fraternizing with the homosekshooalz
on equal footing and saying no makes them look like bigots... :-)
The GBLO*-group of course looks good, and in the nicest of worlds the
two groups *do* work together and learn a little about each other
in the process.

[This was done at NMSU 3 years ago on a campus radio program.  It
was delicious... :-) the CCC conveniently forgot about the GLSA for
at least the next 1 1/2 years...]

BBC
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:52:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <6APR92.12251618@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) wrote:
>>You play Ambassador, toots... those of us with only two weeks of vacation
>>a year need to find places we'll have fun.
>
>I tend to think fun is less in the place and more in the company.


Yes, but you are not being a cultural elitist.



FWA
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Violence against us.
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:28:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr10.032831.4068
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

GO STella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandy     Gay by Nature, Proud by Choice   Queers Bash Back
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Reply-To: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.231807.621@news.unomaha.edu>, ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> Hmm, I could date myself with... uh...

   Oh yes, it's quite simple. Take yourself out to a charming restaurant,
a nice bottle of wine, dancing (with Billy Idol playing) and pretty soon
you'll be asking yourself to come back to your apartment. You'll be amazed
at how easy you are with yourself!
   It's worked every time for me ;-)   
-- 

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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: movie review
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:32:56 GMT

gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:

>Actually I had the hots for Edward :-)  Of course I
>liked the executioner a lot too.

Wasn't the executioner also in Caravaggio? And don't forget the Outrage
boys. Yummmm...

It still amazes me that they show Derek Jarman films on TV in the UK,
and yet they have all these archaic laws about pornography.

Bill, who drove like a maniac from Chicago to Champaign to catch it
for the second time last Friday
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From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Subject: Concrete Blonde
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 21:08:11 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

You know, I've noticed that in a number of Concrete Blonde's songs,
there are motss-relevant references.  The most glaring one (to me) is
putting Harvey Milk in the same sentence with Dr. King.  I'm wondering
"What's up with that?" (to quote Cliff Claven).  Anyone know something
about them that I'm missing?

JOhn.
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But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
From: jimmy@pyra.co.uk (Jimmy Aitken)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 1-800-876-1199: OUT!
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:56:30 GMT
Reply-To: jimmy@pyramid.com (Jimmy Aitken)

In <2642@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel Whitfield) writes:

>In article <manz.703068063@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>>
>>   Starting April 15, fans can order Out and the promotional CD by calling
>>800-876-1199.

>Does anyone know if there's a way that overseas people can get copies
>of the magazine? Slightly related, how can people outside the US find
>an equivalent for an 800 number, since neither of the two carriers
>over here seem to be able to track them down?

In the UK, you can call 800 US numbers but they are not free.  If you call
0101 206 945 2111 and wait until you get a dialing tone (it may ring a couple
of times) then dial the number as if you were in the US.  e.g you'd dial:
0101 206 945 2111(pause)1 800 879 1199.

This should work in most countries, by replaying the 0101 with the local
code to get access to the US.  You pay for the call to the US, but not for
the call within the US which is free.
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From: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Exercise (Was Re: anyone know anything about laundry?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:47:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <ku1j9uINNlv4@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <j7htcug@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>|
>| How about having energetic, raucous sex for 2 hours every evening?
>
>What, pray tell, do you think I'm trying to get myself into shape for?
>
It's called bootstrapping.  You just have to work up to it :-)
Remember, practice makes perfect. 

Later,
George



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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Address for APLA
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:35:18 GMT

Can someone provide me with an address for AIDS Project Los Angeles (APLA)?
I need to request information on a publication they are working on.

(I can't read this newsgroup.  Please send e-mail.)

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:30:16 GMT
  <56897@cup.portal.com> <lwmj27q.jfh@netcom.com> <56924@cup.portal.com>
  <56927@cup.portal.com>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Frank Swilling writes:
>>news.  You can quite reasonably complain that these morons are
>>wasting your time, since Portal doesn't have "kill" files, but
>>you *can't* argue that they're wasting your money.
>
>Ah, but I log onto Portal via PC Pursuit, George.  Every penny/minute

At $1/hour, it can't amount to much. Once you realize a thread
is nothing but homophobic nonsense, you hit 'U' and skip the
rest of the thread.  Big deal.

 
() Excuse me, could someone check me on this, am I losing my
() fucking mind?
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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: pantomime horse
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:33:37 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Apr2.221050.12333@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>
>Poor Artimus: it's not his fault that he's the rear end of a pantomime
>horse. 


	Bango, into the quotes file.


	-Karl



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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Catholic Killer on the Loose!
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:43:43 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET wrote:
>Early Sunday morning I was channel-hopping and stopped at the
>VISN channel. etc.

From what I've seen, VISN is not your average Christian channel.  They
have many times aired the after-school special concerning AIDS (Harvey
Fierstein appears as an AIDS counselor), and have shown some other
gay positive programming.  They must show quite a mixture, but
it appears the station management woulc be receptive to comments on this
program.

                                                                        ____
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \  /
     April 4, 1992  Marjorie Stoneman Douglas' 102nd birthday            \/
      I'll probably see her out dancing.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:04:09 GMT


In article <65193@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David
Stevenson) writes:

>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) reports:

>>I have certainly seen some attractive images of men wearing boots, a hat,
>>and very little else. 

>Finger nail polish?

Intriguing scents in their skin-fold areas! :-)

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Capping worthless threads
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:21:22 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) signs off:
>,
>Eamonn McManibus

Higgledy piggledy... :-)
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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:45:25 GMT

balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>My mother, Eileen, and Uncle, Eugene, have traditional
>spellings. (Or at least I *think* they are traditional. After seeing
>Eamonn's name, I'm not sure...)

Oh dear me no, we don't have anything as vulgar as doubled vowels in
                                                          ,
Irish.  I think that the Irish spelling of Eileen is Eidhlin, though
don't quote me on that.  Eugene is a name of Greek rather than Irish
origin, though it is quite common in Ireland.  I don't know if there
is a Gaelicised spelling.

I fell in love with a guy called Eugene when I was 17, but
unfortunately he was straight.  I don't think he ever knew...

,
Eamonn, momentarily and incongruously nostalgic
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:42:40 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson):
> The writer points out that he *does* think it's useful, and
> cites the example of a friend who wrote him about how
> reassured he was to see the bigots' arguments so decisively
> trounced.

i agree with this point which is why, when i'm in the right mood, i try
to respond to bigots that i see -- not for the bigot's sake but for
muffins' sakes.

> Rather than respond to the bigot directly (djk even thanked
> somebody yesterday for the ego-boost), those who feel
> inclined to answer messages of hate (by and large I'm
> exhausted with it myself) can probably turn things around so
> that what is addressed is the needs of our *own* people,

a good idea!  further, as in the case with djk, give 1 response for our
closetted audience, and then have fun with them.  these people don't
exactly live next door to you -- play with them. being campy is a lot
of fun, and gets those creative juices flowing, if you know what i
mean.  homophobes usually can't deal with camp and wander away...
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:20:02 GMT

 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:

>jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
  >> How about: "Mara looks after Mr. Dyer, while Jeff sees
  >> to the comfort of Mr. [Looks-Brains-Beauty] Parkinson"?

> J.N., you dropped _my_ first name!  Why?

Several possible reasons come to mind:

  1. We haven't been formally introduced;
  2. I didn't know your first name;
  3. I didn't want to intimidate Mr. Parkinson;

But, contrary to *some* suggestions, I'm sure
that it was not for any self-serving reason.

I should probably, therefore leave it to
Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com) who wisely noted:

> He didn't want to hurt my feelings.

or else to the rather more diplomatic, and *very*
trustworthy Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu):

> ... Mr. [Choice-to-Look-Upon] Dyer!

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:16:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>I am 17, living in a fundamentalist Deep South town.  There is a
>Presbyterian church --more fundamental than most, I think; they tried
>to break from the PC-USA several times-- who claim to have a group to
>"cure" us.  Most of the people in the town agree with this;  It's no
>wonder that it is one of the largest Protestant churches in the area.
>We started a gay youth group here;  it fizzled with only yours truly
>attending.  Oh, well.  I go to college in Chapel Hill, NC this fall--
>a rather open place.
>(My parents are not supportive, to say the least.)
(the rest of the story deleted for brevity)

You are still under the age of majority, you are still a slave.
Take heart and understand that it will not be long untill that condition 
changes.
You must be strong, you must maintain an even course until you have the
opportunity to escape your circumstances.


LUX .. owen

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From: djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Thank You! :)
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:40:46 GMT
Organization: Homophobe Control Center

To those who mailed me and expressed their regret for the actions
of others who appear to have no motive beyond causing problems...

THANK YOU!

I truly appreciate your concern and it is good to see that I was
right regarding most of those here. :-)

I will now go away and not bother you any more. Please forgive my
odd entrance here.

-djk

----
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NMS&Systems Engineering, Norco, CA. 91760
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: ANGER! ANGER! H. Ross Perot on Larry King 4-16-92
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:58:22 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, bob@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (robert s. richardson) wrote:
>Does anyone know what his position is?

The Miami Herald reported last week (I've lost the article so I do not
have his quote) that he believed sexuality to be a private matter and
that people should not be discriminated against on that basis.  He did 
not say anything about signing a lesbian/gay rights law nor about
the military.  It seemed evasive the way he stated his position, so
I'm still not sure one way or the other where he stands.

                                                                        __
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: silliness on a thursday
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:27:59 GMT

Irrelevant thoughts (Part 23)


Yesterday, mail arrived at my residence addressed to Mrs. Jeffrey
Dauber.  Blair asked whether it was addressed to him or me.


Those of you skeptics who said that I should not trust my realtor
were 100% wrong.  He is the coolest.  Truly.  If you want a recommendation
for a fantastic realtor in SF, let me know.  Oh, and we are in escrow.


Angry thought for the day:  Yet another PWA says upon admitting his status
"I got it through a transfusion."  Who is it today?  Arthur Ashe.  Oh well,
yet another "innocent victim".  (snear when you say that).


My current train book is a biography of Stephen Tennant (famous nelly
British royalty b.1906).  Awesome book... Boy, I wish I had that kind of
money.



Nothing really to say... Just thought I'd waste some time...



FWA
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:25:16 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) wrote:
>You play Ambassador, toots... those of us with only two weeks of vacation
>a year need to find places we'll have fun.

I tend to think fun is less in the place and more in the company.

                                                                        ____
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \  /
     April 4, 1992  Marjorie Stoneman Douglas' 102nd birthday            \/
      I'll probably see her out dancing.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: U.mich. (K.Andrews)
Subject: Is Christian Laettner gay?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:49:35 EDT
Organization: U.mich.
Distribution: na

     I have heard a rumor that Duke University basketball star Christian
Laettner is gay.  Does anyone on the network have any info about this?  
Thanks.  K. Andrews
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ST:TNG -- The Outcast
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 14:59:08 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:

> In article <RFRyHB5w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batche
> :
> :I didn't like the ending either.  I'm with Amanda - a lot of nitwits
> :are going to think this was "the gay episode," and bravo for Paramount
> :taking the stand that fags can be cured.  Watch r.a.s.* - you'll see!
> 
> I was left with the feeling that those most in need of a clue 
> would not get any from this episode.

Actually, I haven't seen any messages like I had feared on ras*, nor
on other networks.  I hear the homophobia is raging on FIDO's TNG
echo, though, but I don't follow that anymore at all because the
conference host is a JUMBO PRICK (no, he doesn't /have/ a jumbo prick,
he /is/ a jumbo prick).

The messages I have seen agree that this was a weak episode, not just
for its bungling of the gay (non)issue, but the characterizations were
out of whack, the direction was poor, and of course, the usual gripes
about the Prime Directive being violated ONCE AGAIN.

Most people also think it was pretty weird for Riker to go to Troi for
permission to bonk Soren.



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[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"