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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:25:50 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Gopher & OS/2
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:01:33 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> DESQview runs multiple copies of DOS with no trouble at all.

No, DESQview runs multiple copies of DOS *remarkably well*.  It does
however regularly muck up in style.  I regularly curse at rebooting
the whole machine with an edit half-done in another window when I
*thought* I was just killing one window with the old three-fingered salute.

And no-one *expects* it to handle serial IO above 1200bd...

G
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:49:26 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ringing Phones -- How Odd!
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>      Careful, Natalie -- you're turning into a net.fascist.

I've always hated telephones.

>      Wouldn't you miss hearing the voices of people you like?

How are their voices different from their words on a screen?  Or rather
why do you think hearing words produced by vocal apparatus is better
than reading words produced by digital apparatus?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Multiples of 80
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>P.S. Now who's gonna tell me exactly how to order more RAM and install it
>myself?  I need to get into hardware more.  A neighbor built my computer,
>and I've had no need to mess with its guts.  Just about my only hardware

	Ask the guy who built it.  Seriously, that's the best thing, since you
	probably got *very* skimpy documentation and specs, written in some
	Oriental pidgin (no offense meant).

	The factors to consider include:

		type of chip (SIMM, SIP, etc), maximum 'size' of chip (256 KB,
			1 MB, 4MB), speed of chip (usually 60-100 ns)
		maximum motherboard memory, because if it's < 8 MB you'll need
			to buy a memory board
		setup utility -- you'll need to change the information in the
			CMOS configuration.  This is probably done from the
			setup program, though some machines still have DIP
			switches.

	Once you know what to order, there are dozens of mail-order houses to
	choose from -- look in Computer Shopper.  Or maybe Starkville might
	have a low-cost supplier...

neal
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:23:52 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: You said a mouthful
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> > You haven't been paying attention Nancy Louise.
> > --ggs
>
> She's been pleasantly distracted by her brand new granddaughter, so who can
> blame her inattention?
> Doris

Just wait till giggles gets to be a grandpa...he'll see just how
distracting this can be!
ndh (who will have been a grandma for 3 weeks at 8:37 p.m. tomorrow)
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:01:26 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Home...
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Welcome back, Don.
Doris
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:29:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Here we go again (was re: CNN)
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>>I'm looking at my 14 year old kid, wondering how many times we
>>can rerun this bloody farce, and wondering if he will have the grades
>>to get into McGill....
>
>I wonder how many Iraqi 14 year olds will get the chance to go
>to McGill.  Of course there are rather fewer of them than there were
>a couple of years ago, so competition may not be quite so fierce.
>
>Tony H.

Careful, Tony, or you too might be viewed as a discredited RadicLib
locked in a time-warp...and a furriner at that!

Ah, the glory of it...an economy that is decomposing, a health care
system that is becoming an exclusive club, a national mood where
nobody trusts _any_ politician as far as he can be thrown...but we
can always divert peoples' attentions with the lastest Demon of the
Week.  The good part is that, after the next victory parade, New York
City can put an army of homeless people to work for a few days cleaning
up the confetti.

Ken
<member, Eastern Liberal Elitists>
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:44:24 -0400
From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: The Gender of Banks
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              11 Jul 92 11:07:00 EDT." <9207111110.aa25922@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>:
>BUT....
>would anybody (except //anne//) say:  "The bank called and said I
>bounced two checks.... he's a real bastard, you know..."  or  "I just
>love Old Stone.... he's reliable, friendly, curteous, kind..."
>WHY....
>is a *bank* male?   and one's country female?  I think everybody knows
>why cars/boats/ships/bicycles/airplanes are female, and it ain't nice.
>--ggs (trying to get back to the *real* reason for this list: words)

Actually, Paul and I have a cute little blue Geo named Francois.  Now
he may be slightly effeminate, but he's definitely a male car.

I think one's country isn't necessarily female either.  Germany as the
Fatherland comes to mind.

- Don R
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:17:15 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sexual harassment
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Karen,
 Would it be feasible for the department to include on its agenda at a
meeting guidelines for writing recs?  At the same time, an update on
non-sexist language might be in order.  I don't mean a special called
meeting, but at a regularly scheduled one.  That way the message would
be delivered to all writers of recs (in that department, at any rate) and
no one would be singled out.
Doris
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:51:42 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My Mac can do these...
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> criticizes unix and winks to all the fellow unix-heads out there who love to
> suffer because they believe they are using a smarter OS. :-)

I'm a non-techy English teacher with no particular knowledge of operating
systems or anything else about computers.  I love Unix because its commands
and file-structures seem sensible to me and because it will do the things
I want it to do.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:39:37 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      re: What kind of dossier is this stuff going into?
              30 Jul 1992 00:44:00 GMT from <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:44:00 GMT WERTSJ said:

>"Oh, by the way, did I mention that I met your friend 90X-XX-XXXX
>last night at a party?  He was with 91X-XX-XXXX, and they looked very
>chummy. <nudge, nudge>"

Some years ago a couple of Canadian writers decided it would be cute
to send each other mail addressed only to Social Insurance Number
plus Postal Code.  This they did for some time, until some twerp
in the post office noticed and decided that something wasn't right
about this.  He called the RCMP who unfortunately employed sufficient
twerps of their own that a mail cover was placed on these highly-
suspicious-and-probably-subversive individuals, and eventually
some of their mail was actually opened.  So inept were the RCMP
agents who did this that the writers immediately noticed that their
mail had been opened, and raised a stink.  This was one of the
incidents that led to the security service being split off from
the militarily minded RCMP and set up on its own as CSIS.

This was in the mid 1970s, as I remember.  (That probably makes
it the mid 60s, doesn't it Dan ?)

Tony H.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:53:46 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bleeding on paper
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Carol,
 Make that "students' papers."  :-(
Doris
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:12:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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> *** Resending note of 07/28/92 01:19
                DON MOORE
>
>
> >BTW, do *you* know what CO is?
>
> Clothing Optional.

BINGO!  (in layman's terms, that's nudism... ohmygodddddd!)
--ggs (fully dressed at the moment)
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      The Water/Winter Wonderland

>So do I.  But I always thought it was Michiganders.  Goes along
>so nicely with Michigeese.  Bill.

When I lived there the preferred term was "Wolverines".
Really.
'Michiganders' sticks in my Michicraw.

John M. W. - a proud Zonie since 1963
From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Kosher
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:31:53 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

Tushar guffaws:

>Microcosm, hell. It's plain bloody nuttiness. Gentle fun? Nonsense.
>Laugh at them like a hyena, nothing less.

But does not realize that a mental engagement with religion, a thinking
rather than unthinking response to it, greatly improves one's ability to
deal with the irrational world that IS.  

Anything which heightens awareness improves the quality of life.  To quote
a cliche (by cliche, I mean something I'm too lazy to go look up the real
author of): the unexamined life is not worth living.

"The ignorant man does not know, nor does the fool understand this."  --
one of the psalms: I'm still lazy.  ggs, Sword Drill Time!

--bayla
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:57:06 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gifs
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> >Everybody who
> >has e-mail can use ftp, although it's apparently rather messy to do it the
> >mail way.
>
>      Please elucidate.

I can probably dig up a file somewhere that explains the procedure, but
it might be easier if somebody on the list who has used the mail method
for ftp would describe it.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:41:59 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: <sigh>
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>>   What does "toy" mean here?
>
>	I certainly have a lot of fun playing (..er working) with mine.
>
>
>Czarina

Another find from the perl manual: if the operator "@eff" is attached
to the end of the string, each letter in the string is replaced by the
one to the right of it on the qwerty keyboard.

Strange, but they say it is useful.

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:16:06 GMT
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From:         DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: Cure For High Blood Pressure?

*** Resending note of 07/31/92 10:21


>I lean more towards a.  Have you ever hung out at a nudist
>colony?  There's something wonderfully *relieving* about not wearing

Rita, Anne should be proud of you!
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:16:32 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Cure For High Blood Pressure?
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              rain" at Jul 31, 92 10:07 am

> >a.  becoming a nudist will tend to lower your blood pressure
>
> >or
>
> >b.  people with high blood pressure tend not to become nudists.
>
> 	Probably b.  Hypertension is strongly associated with overweight and
> 	obesity, conditions which I suspect would tend to decrease the
> 	probability that one would become a nudist.

	I lean more towards a.  Have you ever hung out at a nudist
colony?  There's something wonderfully *relieving* about not wearing
clothes.

Rita
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:01:05 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (54)

Hi, Akio!
  Only one Gleaning from me this week?  Oh, well.

Shamu:  the star killer whales at the Sea World parks are called Shamu.
There are three parks:  one in California, one in Florida, and one in
Aurora, Ohio (just across the lake from Geauga Lake Park).  If you
ever have a chance to go to Sea World, go to the Summer Nights shows.

A Gleaning from last week:

White Wonder:  one of the nicknames for DangerMouse.

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:14:52 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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              92 1:11 pm

> of zippy, racy, fun *little* car with *no* *top*, for that lovely
> winding roads by the light of the silvery moon.

	Hmmm.  What's the name of the little convertible that Volkswagen
has?  Carousel?  Something like that.

Czarina
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:38:21 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: big league plagiarism
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>                        Although the line-by-line prose of _The Crawling
>Dark_ is for the most part different from that of _Phantoms_, some
>passages are identical and numerous other passages in the former book
>are paraphrasings of material in the latter.

> ...

>Hmmmmm....when one thinks of the chance of getting caught.....with
>a zillion romances, and half a zillion horror  books....makes me wonder
>how often it happens and we just don't hear about it.
> ...
>
>dan

That's exactly what I wondered. To the zillion romances and half a zillion
horror books, add several pornographic books. I can't believe they can be
all that different from each other. When do we start calling some book
plagiarised? Only when some passages are identical? If not, what is the
criterion? How does one detect a paraphrase, for instance? Just what is a
paraphrase?

Suppose in the preface of a novel I see the author writing something like
"chapters ## are an amiable imitation of Flaubert" (and he probably added
"as the reader will recognise", blast him, and darn if I remember the book)
-- however, if he says so, why is he not accused of plagiarism?

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:06:30 -0500
From:         Melicent Tlucek Bryarly <melicent@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WH e Re: TMIT a Re: you?
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On Thu, 30 Jul 1992, Tushar Samant wrote:

>
> A rather funny coincidence - I'm here too. There is something about this
> city - which is Chicago, by the way - which induces in me a distinct feeling
> of hereness whenever I am here. One might say that this is what just about
> every place does to just about everyone, but believe it or not, that's not
> true!
>
> Well, so here I am in what might very creatively be called the windy city,
> and right now right here right in the middle of summer the whole lakefront
> is being whipped by rain and winds and it's colder than the coldest that
> Bombay can ever be.
>
> Whenever this happens, my mind goes back willy nilly to the happy days I spent
> in the rain-drenched city of Bombay and the maddening beauty of its floods
> and its sewers, stopped trains and open manholes, street urchins frisking in
> the street-side lakes miraculously sprung overnight and people taking out the
> gondolas from the dusty recesses of their attics to launch them from the top
> floors of their buildings, and a million other minor scenes and little details
> forming a touching nostalgic collage, and the heart fills to the brim, like
> the gutters, with wistful yearning.
>
> Ah, well, no use soliloquizing about it. I am facing the new challenge. Only
> thing to do, heck.
>
> tushar
Tusher, your description of Bombay is quite poetic. I would love for
my students to read it so that they get the idea of painting pictures
with words. Do you mind?
Melicent, who teaches journalism and English in Victoria, Tx
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:10:43 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Addition to Ftp Files
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I just realized that I had never added Ken's clambake-day poem to the
ftp files as I had intended to.  It's now there: docs/words-l/Clambake/
ken.poem.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
P.S. I'll put it in the Writing subdirectory also when I figure out how
I linked files the night I happily discovered file-linking.  Since I
haven't linked any since then, I've forgotten how -- but can refresh
leaky brain pretty easily, I think.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:39:25 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: birth order
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>I was rereading _The Birth Order Book_ the other day, and just wondered
>how many other wordslers are serious, dependable firstborns?

Me is.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:27:20 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodwill
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>Posted on 29 Jul 1992 at 15:54:04 by BrownVM Mailer (103837)
>
>Re: Goodwill
>
>From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
>
>>A new Salv.Army store is opening in my little village in the big old
>>IGA building. I'm worried but we'll see.
>
>Does anyone else see irony in a bunch of self-supporting computer geeks trawlin
>the Goodwills and Salvation Army stores for bargains? Don't these places exist
>to help those <less-fortunate> than we are?
>

well, yes and no.  Goodwill and Sally's gets all their donations free,
and then sells the stuff back to us.  The more stuff they sell, the
more  money they have to run their programs.  It is also a good place
for the less fortunate to get good stuff cheap. But the bottom line is
that the stuff get sold for cash dollars.  and the more fortunate have
more dollars.

jenna who's sister shops only at salvation army.
>-abh
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:41:10 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: quick answer needed...help
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Circumlocution?

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:02:22 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: smokin'
              24 Jul 1992 07:53:21 EDT from <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:53:21 EDT jcs said:
>Just heard that one of the Marlborough Men
>(from the adverts) died of Lung Cancer yesterday.
>
>talk about occupational hazzards....

Way back when (I think it must have been 1976), I saw (in England) a
British TV documentary on the Marlborough man.  It turns out that I was
very lucky to see it - the day after it was shown the tobacco
company (whoever owns Marlborough - Phillip Morris ?) managed to get
an injunction preventing its being shown again, which still stands.
I don't remember the title, but I'l never forget the long shot of
the guy on the horse.  The camera slowly closes in while the voiceover
explains who the guy is, and that he has terminal emphysema.  As the
camera gets close enough, you can see that the Marlborough Man is
a sad little shrunken figure, barely propped on the horse, sucking
oxygen from a bottle.  (He died before the broadcast.)

Then it cuts to the president of the tobacco company saying that
tobacco does not cause cancer or emphysema, but that he doesn't
smoke.

I'm told there are underground copies of this thing circulating
on video.

Tony H.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:15:03 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Car -correction - sorry
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> Of course around here 105 is only 5 km/h over the limit.

You wanna hear something pretty sad about powers of observation?  I spent
two days wondering how much I was exceeding Canadian speed limits as my
poor, old brain tried to convert mph to kph when I happened to mention it
to Judith on the phone.  She told me that my speedometer had kph in small
print.  (How she knew that I don't know since she had not been in my
smoke-filled car.)  Lo and behold, she was right.  I had never even noticed
those little numbers.  After that, I carefully kept it under 110 -- slower
than in the U.S. since I'm more law-abiding in other countries.

Don M:  My failure to notice a whole set of numbers on the speedometer I
look at every day is not unlike my failure to realize that you were less
than two blocks from my house when you said you were near that furniture
store.  Maybe it's just that I resist change.  I still think of that
furniture store as a grocery store, which it hasn't been in a good many
years now.  But it really was just a few months ago that it was a different
furniture company.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:14:18 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Kosher
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>Much as I like to poke gentle fun at my friends for these quirks,
>I think all this is a microcosm of religion in general.

Microcosm, hell. It's plain bloody nuttiness. Gentle fun? Nonsense.
Laugh at them like a hyena, nothing less.

tushar
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