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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: electronic paintball
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:36:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug10.004025.22929@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <s11mgdj.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:
>
>>Perhaps the author got a little excited.  I would imagine that the
>>broken hose would spin around, not the gun.  Well, if the Pro/Am ends
>>up with a bunch of cheap plastic part in critical places (I'm not
>>against plastic parts, the 68-special has a plastic bolt) I might get
>>an Illustrator or something comparable.
>
>Going to cheaper plastic from a nearly all metal design doesn't make much sense
>because it means Tippmann's service department will be kept busy with all the 
>Pro-Ams being return for servicing.  Unless Tippmann decided to enforce his one
>year guarantee and start charging for repairs of older guns...
>
>Before we start losing faith in Tippmann, has anyone actually seen the plastic
>Pro-Ams?  Maybe this is another Prodigy inspired rumour cum hoax (like the
>story in the Wall Street Journal about Prodigy software stealing directory
>listings)  (^_^)
>
   Just thought I'd add my own $.02. The first person here who bought
a Pro Am had no problems except for what he said was an anodized
liner in the barrel, I'm not clear if that was an aftermarket
add-on by the people he bought it from or from Tippman, apparently
a good honing and cleaning got rid of the problem and he has been
the terror of the paintball field since. Unfortunately he's moving soon,
so I won't be able to give any long term reports.

   Recently two more people have purchased the Pro Am both have had serious
complaints about accuracy and reliability, don't know if it's because
of plastic parts, but I'll check.
>-- 
>My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
>--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
>


-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
From: U53306@uicvm.uic.edu (DMc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:06:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

There is a significant difference in CO2 and N2.

N2, while being generally a better propellant, sits in your CA tank under
a higher pressure than CO2 does.  All the N2 and HPA (high pressure air)
setups I have seen use specially built CA tanks.  All the ones I have seen
look generally the same and are wrapped in fiberglass for added protection.

I would _not_ recommend filling your normal CA tank with N2.  I would have a
serious and long talk with an airsmith who uses N2 before making any
moves in that direction.  Tom Kaye at airgun designs (maker of the 68 automag)
does a lot of N2 work.  If you gave them a call they could likely give you some
very definative answers.


Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paintball use
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:45:05 GMT
Organization: Headland Technology

in an article Eric Huber writes:
>Yeah, you could get through a day with a handfull of 12-grams and about 100
>paintballs, now with my CA stuff, it's quite a different story.
>"Hey doug, how's it going? You want to order a half case for the both of us"
>"Uh, Eric, I go through 1200 balls a day by myself now"

    One very nice side effect if this is those of us that still use pumps
(or our semis as semis (1-3 round bursts) :) get MUCH better prices from
the paint mfgs cause they are selling more paint cheaper.  And of coarse I
always go in with others when we by a case.  1 person (the hoser) buys the
case and then the rest of us pay for what we use at the case price.

     -Rich-
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:04:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

After reading all the Surrender Yeah,right files, I think a total clearing up is
necessary.   First of all we need to clear up definitions of surrender.
It seems that most people upon finding an opponent at a disadvantage will 
offer him the chance to die weltless.

My stand on that issue is that if you do this you are allowing someone the
chance to shoot at you, even if they are at a disadvantage.  If this were
someone like myself or the people I play with, you WOULD get shot at
(and probably hit :) ) So, if you are willing to take this risk, you are a
very nice player and everyone will like you regardless of how ugly you are.

What I would do is fire at the compromised player until he called himself
out, or if he was calling 'out!' before I fired, I would direct him to the
dead zone.

I just didn't want everyone to think that I was a newbie bashing win-at-all-
costs type of player. I just play hard and play to win, and generally have
fun in doing so.

John
 
-- 
John Martin Chapman
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: gt9989a@prism.gatech.edu
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Clarifications with Apologies
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:58:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

It seems I have come off looking like the bad guy in the Surrender post.   I
think this is due to misunderstanding, poor wording on my part, and different
definitions.   The point I originally intended to make was that I looked
upon surrendering as giving up because you couldn't handle the situation.
Here's where definitions differ.  Let me explain myself.   The guys I play
with are all very competitive and they enjoy winning, myself included.  Now,
don't get me wrong - they are not safety unconscious, Rambo - like buffoons,
but level headed adults, some with wife and kids.   Occasionally however,
when we have played against a new group of players, incidents of the following
type have occured - a player has given up when he was the last player on his
team, even though there were only two left on my team.  Another player
called himself out when I surprised him, but hadn't yet fired.  Other players
experience gun malfunctions or run out of air in the middle of the game, and
instead of helping their teammates in a number of possible ways, walked off
the field without ever being fired at.  Later, however, in each of these
cases, more experienced players explained these mistakes in an open forum, 
questions were asked, and quality players began emerging from the husks of
mediocre players.  They now all play together on a consistent basis.

Anyway, it was those types of surrenders I was talking about.  When I stated
that I would fire upon someone regardless of their position, I was thinking
of people who I have surprised, and were not prepared to return fire such as
in an ambush situation.  I know all of you have ambushed somebody at some time
or another, and I'm sure you all, like myself stopped firing when people were
calling themselves out.

I believe the way I worded  my previous posts, it seemed like I shot anything
that moved two-hundred times, and let me assure you - I don't.  I too have
played Christmas tree (gotten lit up, that is) enough times to know that I
don't enjoy it, and can understand the anger of people who get lit up.

As to it being only a welt, I have had several people tell me otherwise.  
Maybe it's just the warm weather  and humidity where I play that softens up     the balls, but I've never seen 
anything more than dimesized bruises and scuff marks.

At any rate, my apologies to any I've miscommunicated to, and I hope everyone
understands my point of view.

John

-- 
John Martin Chapman
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:35:29 GMT
Reply-To: rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Materials Research Labs Cent. for Computation, Operations Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: uimrli.mrl.uiuc.edu

In article <65886@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin
Chapman) writes:
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|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
|>Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
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|>Rob, 

Fixed so others won't s continue calling you ron, rob.

|>As a matter of fact, I will shoot first and ask questions later.  I consider
|>anyone on the other team a threat until they have been marked and will
|>shoot at them until they are regardless of their position or lack therof.
|>I've found that this style of play, merciless though it may be, has kept
|>me alive and winning.
|>
|>John
|>

I refuse to play on a field with someone with this attitude.

I'm happy that you like to win but I am not so enthused with the way
you try to go about it.  If the person you have position on doesnt
raise his/her hands when you say surrender then you fire

|>
|>-- 
|>John Martin Chapman
|>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Re: Which..
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:07:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug7.003251.27702@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jclaybor@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jon "The Man" Clayborn) writes:
>
>Allright all.. I am goin to be getting a pball setup soon... I've been
>goin to places where I could just rent my equipment.. But that is so damn
>expensive.. But I am also relatively new at this so I dont know anything
>about name brands or what is god and what is not..
>
>So tell me What is GOOD??
>
>Thanks and cya later..
>Jon

   I reccomend the PMI-III, or VM-68 as it mat be called. A top of the line
semi (and I definitely reccomend a semi) for $250-270. Stay away from
Brass Eagle, the stuff is garbage. Also the Tippmans are good, very good
customer support. Lastly read the FAQs!


-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Stuff
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:01:08 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <kleung.15ke@terapin.com>, kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung) writes:
> 
>      I would like to say  hi to everyone before I start.
> 
>    I'm pretty new to this sub, and pretty new to paintballing.  I bought a
> Sheriden PGP to start off with.  I found that the gun is really nice to have
> if you need to move quickly since it's pretty small.  The only thing is, how
> can I make the gun more accurate?  I've added a 4 inch barrel extender on it,
> and it's chrono'ed at 290.  But, accuracy up to 100 feet away is a big problem.
>  I would get pretty  close, but would be like 2 feet of the target.  It would
> be a help if someone could tell me what I can do to keep accuracy up to 100+
> feet.  ( or atleast get fairly close ).  And please, don't tell me
> to get a better gun.  I think i'll just stick with  this PGP for now. 
> 
>   ... Any help  would be greatly appreciated!
> 

Well, I'd suggest actually trying to chrono is *down* a bit and see how that
works, i've noticed that on some guns the higest velocity setting isn't
necessarily the best.  Just something to try out...
 
The brand of paint that you are using might also be a factor...some of the
cheaper stuff doesn't fly as straight, or so it seems.
 
I can't thinking of anything else since I don't think you can actually put a 
rifled barrel on a PGP.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure how realistic it is to get that gun to shoot very
accurate at 100 feet, as I remember those guns use the 12-gram's instead of 
the 7 oz. CO2 cylinders...
 
Hope this helps some.

Eric Huber
Mankato State Universtiy
Law Enforcement Program
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: Pitts. Tourny
Keywords: I gotsta know!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:41:09 GMT


Anyone with the results of the 10 man tourny in Pitts. last 
weekend please contact me. We had a 700 mile drive home and 
left before the awards.

Thanks

KOLB                                        RECON SOUTH
From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:08:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group

Question 1:

What is the major diffrence between using CO2 and N2, can you just fill
your bottle with N2 instead.  I don't have a copy of CRC around but there
have to be major pressure/temp diffrences between the two.

Question 2:

How many of you have your own CO2 tank, by the looks of the tank at the
place I play it is the same as a Fountain Drink CO2 tank.  Can I go and
rent/buy a tank from some place.  What are the costs ?

Question 3:

Anybody going to the 24 hour game in Ocala Florida this October ?

Brian "Loves the Sound of the .68 Special" Smith


Brian J. Smith           Systems Manager CMT Group   Email: bjs@phys.ufl.edu
Department of Physics	    260 Williamson Hall      Fax:     (904) 392-0524 
University of Florida 	   Gainesville, FL 32611     Voice:   (904) 392-5339

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Department of Physics	    260 Williamson Hall      Fax:     (904) 392-0524 
University of Florida 	   Gainesville, FL 32611     Voice:   (904) 392-5339
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Martin F. Roesch)
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Keywords: paintball
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:10:31 GMT

tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:


>Hi, I am interested in designing a paintball gun, just for fun.  Since, I am
>very inexperienced in the sport of paintball.  I am looking for input from the
>experienced players.  What is your idea of the perfect paintball gun???  What
>options would you have on the paintball gun.  Please feel free to get technical
>Any advice and comments is greatly appreciated!!!!!
>Thanks in advance.

  Ok, you asked for it.  My ultimate fantasy gun is a six barrel Gatling 
configuration.  My friends and I decided that at 3 R.P.S., you would get a
rate of fire to keep semi people's heads down.  The loading would be done
by centripetal force of the barrels rotating, and some sort of gas 
system would have to be developed.  A cam would cock and fire each of the 
barrels as it went through its cycle.  Sound hideous?  Tripod, 1000 round
ammo hopper and 50 oz CO2 tank is optional.  The barrels would be rotated by
some type of electric motor, most likely.  You wouldn't be able to move fast,
but God help anyone who gets in your way...

    Marty
      roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:20:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <3109@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman) writes:
>> As a matter of fact, I will shoot first and ask questions later.  I consider
>> anyone on the other team a threat until they have been marked and will
>> shoot at them until they are regardless of their position or lack therof.
>> I've found that this style of play, merciless though it may be, has kept
>> me alive and winning.
>
>It may not work as expected.  If you shot me at close range without a
>mercy call, you had better be big and fast because I'd be sorely
>tempted to break your fucking neck.
>
>Rob.
>--
>Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com

And someone said they wouldn't want to play with ME.   Here are the reasons
why no sensible person would make a post like this.

1. It's only a game.
2. It's only a welt.
3. I already explained that I wouldn't jab my gun in someones ribs and shoot
   like a maniac, only that I'm not going to lose the advantage and jeopordize
   myself or other team members simply because I have the drop on an opposing
   player.
4. It's not polite to swear in public.

John

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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: gt9989a@prism.gatech.edu
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:25:50 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

(Brian J. Smith) writes:
>
>What is the major diffrence between using CO2 and N2, can you just fill
>your bottle with N2 instead.  I don't have a copy of CRC around but there
>have to be major pressure/temp diffrences between the two.
>
   I read an article about N2 in APG a few months ago.  The tanks,
   fill station, and gun-feed setup is very different from CO2.
   My feeling is that N2 is more dangerous and more expensive than
   CO2, and is not likely to catch on any time soon.  I notice that
   the main proponent of N2 is Airgun Designs, and I suspect it's
   because their guns have more trouble with CO2 than other brands.

>Question 2:
>
>How many of you have your own CO2 tank, by the looks of the tank at the
>place I play it is the same as a Fountain Drink CO2 tank.  Can I go and
>rent/buy a tank from some place.  What are the costs ?
>
   I rented a 20-pound CO2 tank recently.  It cost about $4/month
   and around $9 to fill, all from a welding supply company.  I
   discovered that I could have gotten a siphon-tube tank if I had
   given them more notice.  As it is, I have to invert the tank to
   get liquid.  I also purchased a "fill kit", the valves and fittings
   which adapt the 20-pound tank to the C/A bottles.  I got mine
   though the mail from Paintball Mania for ~$50.  Seems to work
   fine but time will tell how well it holds up.  I'm keeping my
   eyes open for a good scale which will weigh ounces.  Most scales
   seem intended for 10 pounds or more.

   -Bill Carter
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: tjakers@david.wheaton.edu (Tim J Akers)
Subject: paintball in illinois
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:37:04 GMT

hi, I posted something about this on another newsgroup, but thought that i'd
put it here for good measure.  I recently moved to Illinois from North
Carolina, where I played at what most people call an "outlaw" field.  We had
chronos and rules of play as well as IPPA certified medics.  The only
differences that I've noticed between that field and the fields that I've
gone to here are field fees, field paint and referees.  We worked on a
system of honor and if you were caught cheating you were thrown off the
field.  As to field fees and paint, I'm a student and really can't afford to
spend the money on that sort of thing.  I saved over a year to buy my
present equipment and played with a PI-1 pig gun until then.  What I want to
know is, are there any rebel fields in my area? (I'm about twenty miles west
of Chicago, but I can drive aways) If so, please post info here or e-mail
me.  I'm a pretty good player, I learned all the skills on what could be
called a lesser gun and now that I have a good gun, not a semi(I think I'll
fire twenty shots without aiming)auto, but an accurate one, I might be of
some value.  Anyway, thanks for any information you can provide.

Tim Akers
tjakers@rachel.wheaton.edu  )
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:40:13 GMT

John Martin Chapman writes:
#Robert Osborne writes:
#>John Martin Chapman writes:
#>> As a matter of fact, I will shoot first and ask questions later.  I consider
#>> anyone on the other team a threat until they have been marked and will
#>> shoot at them until they are regardless of their position or lack therof.
#>> I've found that this style of play, merciless though it may be, has kept
#>> me alive and winning.
#>
#>It may not work as expected.  If you shot me at close range without a
#>mercy call, you had better be big and fast because I'd be sorely
#>tempted to break your fucking neck.
#
#And someone said they wouldn't want to play with ME.   Here are the reasons
#why no sensible person would make a post like this.
#
#1. It's only a game.
#2. It's only a welt.

For somebody who shows no mercy so they can be "alive and winning";
"It's only a game" is an interesting new face.

Paint ball is dangerous.  I have scars from this game.  If some moron,
like you,  shoots me from 5 feet away just because they want to WIN at
all costs they are endangering me and,  in all likelyhood,  adding yet
another scar or bleeding welt to my all too battered body.

It is because it is only a game that I'd be likely to pop you one.

#3. I already explained that I wouldn't jab my gun in someones ribs and shoot
#   like a maniac, only that I'm not going to lose the advantage and jeopordize
#   myself or other team members simply because I have the drop on an opposing
#   player.

I see.  You are willing to jeopordize another players HEALTH so as not to
jeopordize your playing time or you chances or winning a fifteen minute
GAME.

Remember "It's only a game".

#4. It's not polite to swear in public.

Grow up.

Rob.
--
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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: ?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:36:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <4005.2A95D02D@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>Just wondering if my newsgroup feed has subscribed my machine to
>rec.sport.paintball yet.
> 
>Paint Check!   :-)
> 

no break! ^_^

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