Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:15:07 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Summary: oh ye of little faith...

In article <1992Aug12.025352.7653@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>  Again, I ask, what's to prevent the WG Army from using it's power to run
>  roughshod over the weaker nations? Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as

What's to prevent the American military from using it's power to run
roughshod over the civilian population? Answer: Absolutely nothing..except,
<perhaps> that nebulous concept you Yanks call democracy. If it won't work
for a WG, it won't work in the United States. Do you really have so little
faith in your own government process that it's ultimate failure is accepted
as a matter of course?

>  they say, and given that a WG Army must have near-absolute power in order
>  to work, how does on avoid the corruption? Merely stating that it will is
>  not good enough. Also, the bulk of the national armies in the world today
>  aren't as "decent" as our nice Western militaries; most have no problem
>  with massacring innocent people. The Iraqi army, for example, is the rule,
>  not the exception. Lastly, would such an army have nuclear weapons? If
>  they won't, how do we get all the current (and future!) nuclear powers to
>  disarm?

Oh, joy - it's those "indecent" military types, not us peace-loving,
democratic western white guys - I feel better already :-) (Did you catch our
"Oka Crisis" on tv a few years back? It was a great show, wherein the
Canadian Good Guys White Army of Liberation threatened Mohawk Warriors with
extinction if they didn't cave in to illegal powers assumed by a corrupt
federal government... two years later, of course, it turned out the Mohawk
Warriors were in the right, so you can figure out where the Canadian Army
was in the scenario, right?)

>  Who will control this mass media? What about censorship? Freedom of opinion
>  leads to difference of opinion, which is the definition of disagreement.

You're right - democracy is an outmoded concept, and it just won't work...
for ten points, illustrate how your lack of faith is supported in the United
States, where little, if anything, works. Add thirty points if you can prove
that "Zionists" control the media.

>  Name one subject that tens of millions of *randomly-selected* people agree
>  upon. Americans can't form one opinion on something as narrow as abortion;
>  why do you believe 5+ billion people (and increasing) will ever agree on
>  the substantive issues?

By your logic, America can't work, because folks just can't agree on
anything... who said that they have to in order to make WG work?

>  still a minority. And, what about getting all the above to agree? All
>  have had (and still have) major differences, political and otherwise,
>  with each other. OK, they often work together in the UN, but the UN is
>  micropotatoes compared to this WG of yours.

Everything you say is equally true of the western democracies, which
obviously cannot work, given your logical assumptions about their flaws...

>  Such as? And what do we do about nations that refuse to go along? How much
>  force is this nascent WG willing to expend on 10,000 Bosnias?

What do you Yanks do about states that won't go along? (Show how that proves
that democracy cannot function, and get ten more points)

I give up. You're right - we're all too stupid to co-operate with each
other, and the failure of the western democracy proves it.... either that,
or what we are really talking about here is the worst sort of western
paternalistic racism, i.e. we believe in democracy as long as it isn't so
democratic we can't control it anymore.
-- 
"I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race.
It's one of those things it is easy to talk about -- `The Jewish race is being
exterminated,' says one party member, `that's quite clear, it's in our program
-- elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them.'"[Himmler]
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