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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:06:26 -1000
Reply-To:     "Gary A. Hartling" <hartling@HUMU.NOSC.MIL>
From:         "Gary A. Hartling" <hartling@HUMU.NOSC.MIL>
Subject: Re: Smaller printer area

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>Our department recently upgraded to PM 4.2 for Macintosh.  Some of the
>forms we use were designed to use as much print area as possible.
However,
>now with
>the new PPD's, the print area is smaller.  I have tried using the Apple
>driver
>with "Larger Print Area" selected, but the print quality is NOT the same.
>We are using an Apple Laserwriter IIg w/5meg RAM.  Perhaps there is
>something I can do to the PPD file?
>
>MD Squiers,

Yes, you can update your PDX with values from the old driver so you
can use more of the page. You should also upgrade to 8MB of memory
if you don't want further problems. Apple has recommended the IIF
be a minimum of 5MB and the IIG a minimum of 8MB, and that's how
they currently are sold or upgraded.

Gary Hartling
NRaD Hawaii Lab
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:20:11 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Too Many Fonts

Rick Johnson writes...

> I have about 250+ True Type fonts and another 150 Adobe Type Manager fonts.
> When I use PageMaker, I have over a minute delay after the title picture
> appears.  I have another minute delay when I try to create a new page. I
> did not experience any delays until I added all of these fonts.  Does
> anyone know of any solutions to my delays (other than trying to be a
> little more patient or getting rid of all of those fonts)?  My configuration
> is:     Page Maker V4.0
>         Windows 3.1
>         IBM 386DX 40Mhz
>         8 Megs of RAM
>         200+ HD (Stacked to 400+)
> Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!


Rick, you're Subject line said it all "TOO MANY FONTS."  Although it must be
very nice to be able to select any font from the entire
Adobe/Monotype/Bitstream/Agfa/ImageClub font library, it's not very practical
from a time perspective.  PageMaker reads, reads, and re-reads the installed
fonts at different times, especially on start-up and when printing.  This
makes PM very slow when you have hundreds (even a couple of dozen) fonts
loaded into the system.  Mac users know that you should create suitcases of
font families and turn on only what families you want to use.  But I am
unaware of any such luxury on the PC at this time.  My experience has been
that more than 50 font families loaded onto a Windows workstation less than a
'486-25 degrades performance to an unacceptable level ('486-33 - '486-66 you
can go up to 70 without too much degradation).

FYI, TrueType and ATM don't like each other very much so be careful.  My
recommendation is stick with ATM, but if you have a significant investment in
TrueType fonts, I really think you should make a management decision to use
only one type of font (ATM or TrueType).  This will increase the overall
speed of Windows too.  If you're using a service bureau for your high
resolution output the choice should most likely be PostScript.



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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:33:42 +0000
Reply-To:     Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Lino Printing

The problem is that in using the clipboard to transfer the pix from Corel Draw
to PM, you created a bitmapped picture--in the format for PC. In translating
the file from PC to Mac, the Mac is incapable of interpreting the PC bitmapped
pix and draws only a box with an X in it. You need to export the file as eps
from Corel Draw and place the eps file into PM for it to print from the Mac.
The same problem occurs if you are trying to use bitmapped files from Mac to
=>PC. The successful types of files to use when transferring between platforms
using PM are: TIFF (although I have had to convert from PC to Mac TIFF) and
EPS.
For just transferring files between platforms, GIFF, and Targa(.tga) also work.

Fran Holtsberry
Fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu
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        I have a problem in windows 3.1 When printing in Pagemaker
4.0, and Corel Draw. I cannot print in landscape mode.  The text
prints in a blur, with streaks, graphics blurred.  Some parts of the
page is blank.  Changing to the Portrait mode, on the same document,
it prints perfect.  (text an graphics in page)

I have a HP LJ II with 2.5 megs. 486 eisa machine, 8 megs ram,

I re-installed Windows and it didn't help. I installed Pagemaker to
another directory (no luck)

I deleted the print driver in windows and installed it again ( NG )

I've run out of things to try. Could this be a hardware problem ?

Could there be a problem with the printer ?  Any answers ?

                              Thanks in advance.......      Gary
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:53:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Jeffrey Stai <0003825280@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         Jeffrey Stai <0003825280@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Two Questions

OK, I have questions....

(BTW: The programs here are Windows versions, PM4, WP and
Word for Windows.)

1) PM4 does not seem to work as advertised for file import (via "Place")
for either Word or WordPerfect. If I go into either of those programs,
generate a document with paragraph styles (Word) or with open styles
(WP) that have the same name as in my PM4 file. When I import them,
PM4 recognizes the first style, and then the second one, but after
that it gets lost and recognizes no further style tags.

It works fine when I use the <xyz> method of style marking, but that
is only marginally better than maintaining ASCII, IMHO.

Also, I mark words within my text as italic and bold, using the
usual method for Word or WP. When I import, the same thing happens.
The first couple of groups of characters import OK, but after that,
it gets lost; in this case, recognizing only some of the subsequent
tags.

I should mention that I have tried this with and without "Read Tags"
checked, and working thru the various WP options available thru the
shift-click menu (see? I have read the instructions ;-). But if
there is something I missed, I'd love to hear it.

Aldus support has said there is a bug with WP import. I hadn't found
the behavior for Word at that time, so I don't know what they would
about it.

Export also loses character level/type appearance settings for both
Word and WP.

Have we all seen this, or am I strange? I can't (well, OK, I can ;-)
believe such a basic function could be shipped by Aldus without
testing...


2) I have defined a "Bullet" style in PM4. This is kind of a hanging
indent, where only the bullet character is hanging. I defined the
bullet by using a tab leader, with the bullet character as the leader.
I define another tab for the beginning of the text, which corresponds
to the left hand margin of the paragraph. The net effect is:

    * The first line......
      followed by a second....

The spacing between the two tabs is small enough so that it only
prints the leader character once before the second tab (0p3 for
a 12pt Helvetica, bullet char is alt-0149). Oh, and I
also type two tab characters at the start of the paragraph to make
all this work.

So far so good. It works very well, even though it sometimes doesn't
display it, it always prints it. But what it doesn't do is *copy* it
using the "Define Styles... Copy", where I want to copy the style
from another file in my book. It copies everything but the bullet
character. How come?


I'll start we these for now... ;-) Thanks in advance for all replies!

Jeff Stai
3825280@mcimail.com
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:43:49 CDT
Reply-To:     Rick Johnson <96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU>
From:         Rick Johnson <96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU>
Subject:      Too Many Fonts

Hello,

I have about 250+ True Type fonts and another 150 Adobe Type Manager fonts.
When I use PageMaker, I have over a minute delay after the title picture
appears.  I have another minute delay when I try to create a new page. I
did not experience any delays until I added all of these fonts.  Does
anyone know of any solutions to my delays (other than trying to be a
little more patient or getting rid of all of those fonts)?  My configuration
is:     Page Maker V4.0
        Windows 3.1
        IBM 386DX 40Mhz
        8 Megs of RAM
        200+ HD (Stacked to 400+)
Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!

Rick Johnson
96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:05:00 EDT
Reply-To:     "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <needje@MSEN.COM>
From:         "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <needje@MSEN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Russian/Cyrillic font

>>Can anyone recommend a good freeware/shareware Russian and/or Cyrillic font
>>to use with Windows 3.1, either Postscript Type 1 or True Type, which is
>>available for ftp on the net?
>
>I saw one at wuarchive.wustl.edu, somewhere in mirrors2/win3/fonts. Get the
>INDEX and check it out. We discussed the fonts being locked, and I don't know
 if
>they still are or not.
>
>Eric

Thanks, Eric--but I didn't see anything that looked like Russian or
Cyrillic fonts based on the names in the directory listings. I also checked
the subdirectories /atm and /truetype without success.

Can you be more specific?

Jeff Needleman  <needje@msen.com>
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:49:06 CDT
Reply-To:     "Eric J. Ray" <ejray@OKWAY.OKSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Eric J. Ray" <ejray@OKWAY.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Too Many Fonts

Rick said:

>I have about 250+ True Type fonts and another 150 Adobe Type Manager
>fonts. When I use PageMaker, I have over a minute delay after the title
>picture appears.  I have another minute delay when I try to create a new
>page. I did not experience any delays until I added all of these fonts.
>Does anyone know of any solutions to my delays (other than trying to be a
>little more patient or getting rid of all of those fonts)?  My configuration
>is:     Page Maker V4.0
        Windows 3.1
        IBM 386DX 40Mhz
        8 Megs of RAM
        200+ HD (Stacked to 400+)
>Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!


Rick, I had your problem, except with a 16 Mhz and 5 MEG machine, and I could
find no other solution other than to use fewer fonts.

Eric Ray
ejray@okway.okstate.edu
Technical Information Analyst
Oklahoma State University Computer Center
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:16:13 EDT
Reply-To:     Mirek Rutkowski <MRUT@NLU.BITNET>
From:         Mirek Rutkowski <MRUT@NLU.BITNET>
Subject:      Polish characters in need

Does enyone know how I can use polish characters in PM4 IBM?
Do I have to buy special fonts?
Do I have to get an Addition to PM4?

Please send information either to me directly or to the List, I think
that there are more users to interested in those characters, because the
market is openning in the East Europe.

Thanks a lot.

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Manager,
National-Louis University
Chicago, Illinois  60603
MRUT@NLU.BITNET
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From: bwg8991@venus.tamu.edu 
Subject: Re: recycling logo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:25:00 GMT

In article <92Sep11.201210.34846@acs.ucalgary.ca>, powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes...
>I am looking for an EPS version of the recycling logo (the one with
>the three curved arrows forming a circle). Does anyone know where
>I could download one?
> 


Try America Online in the New Uploads folder in the Graphics or DTP
section (I can't remember which right now.)  I'm not at my home computer
it myself a few days ago.  There are 6 different variations in the file.


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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:28:31 EST
Reply-To:     "NATHAN BRINDLE" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
From:         "NATHAN BRINDLE" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Tiffs, etc.

The last posting about TIFF problems rang a bell or two.  I don't use a
Mac, I've got PM4 running on a PS/2 Model 56SLC under Windows 3.1, but
I have also experienced the problem of importing a TIFF (that I created
somewhere else), applying color or greyscale, and then having it print
solid black.  Don't know what the problem is but it sounds like a bug
to me.

I have another similar problem in that I have created a graphic in Freehand
3.0, saved it as an EPS graphic with TIFF tag (or whatever that's called),
then imported it into PM4.  Now it looks <fine> on screen, but the EPS
graphic prints UPSIDE DOWN in relation to everything else in the PM4
document.  What in somebody's name am I or the program doing wrong?

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:51:04 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Graphics file incompatibilities

Has anyone read, heard, experienced any problems with moving PICT or TIFF
files between versions of the Mac operating system?

We run two flavors of the Mac OS internally, System 6.0.5 on our SEs, SE/30
and the like and System 7.0.1 on our more capable Macs.  I've never seen any
problems moving PICT and TIFF files between the two, but recently have had a
client with a Mac IIcx (running 6.0.5, 4 Mb RAM) on campus complain that the
PICT and TIFF file we were giving her were corrupt.

The file is an app. 150K medical illustration created in PhotoShop (v2.0.1)
and saved as an 8-bit PICT file and an 8-bit TIFF file.  She says that when
she imports the PICT file in Aldus Persuasion (v2.0 not 2.1) the PICT file
comes in "clipped" and that if she touches it to move it, it magically splits
into two images in the preview but still remains one big bitmap object block.
When she prints a proof she gets a printout of this anomoly.  If she places
the TIFF file in PageMaker (v4.2) it appears fine, but when she tries to
print the color image to her Tektronix color printer, the image goes black
and white (but all of her text and other color objects remain color).

Now I've been working with Macs, PICT, and TIFF files for a long time, but
haven't seen anything like this.  Undoubtably there is something corrupt in
her system and/or application software, but thought I'd run it by the LIST and
see if anyone has seen this before.



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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:19:40 EDT
Reply-To:     Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
From:         Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Bright idea for using a fax modem

The latest issue of the Aldus magazine has a neat idea buried in the
comments about the way the issue is put together (a regular feature).
Seems that one of their artists, who usually submits pencil sketches
of the drawings he intends to create and polish in Illustrator or
whatever, faxed a copy of the pencil sketch not only to them, but to
HIMSELF, with his fax modem, received it, and read it right into his
graphics program!   Saved having to trace over the sketch with his
graphics stylus, etc.

I'm not a graphics person but it sounds neat to me!
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Reply-To:     Maroy Akos <JZK2115@HUSZEG11.BITNET>
From:         Maroy Akos <JZK2115@HUSZEG11.BITNET>
Subject:      Need True Type Fonts for Windows 3.1

To whom, who has any True Type Fonts

I am in need of some special True Type Fonts for Windows 3.1. I have the
TTFs supplied with Corel DRAW| 3.0, but they do not contain some special
Hungarian characters. If anyone has a doemsticated version of any TTF
please send some answers. (It may be OK, if they are not specifically
Hungarian fonts, they may contain the characters I need.)

Or if you can tell me, how can I convert my Corel DRAW| 2.0 hungarian fonts
into True Type format, that would be OK. I tried this a several times, but the
exported fonts were allways bigger than they should've been, and they allways
appeared in the wrong position. (Slightly upwards and left of the desired
place.) If you can help me with that, please send me the answer to the problem.

                                           Sincerely,

                                               Dark Eye

                                               (jzk2115 at huszeg11)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:23:26 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Upside Down EPS graphics from Windows 3.1 apps

Nathan Brindle wrote...

[stuff deleted]

> I have another similar problem in that I have created a graphic in Freehand
> 3.0, saved it as an EPS graphic with TIFF tag (or whatever that's called),
> then imported it into PM4.  Now it looks <fine> on screen, but the EPS
> graphic prints UPSIDE DOWN in relation to everything else in the PM4
> document.  What in somebody's name am I or the program doing wrong?

There is a bug in the Windows 3.1 PostScript printer driver (versions 3.5
through 3.52) that causes this. Aldus published a fix for this in their Tech
Notes, simply open your WIN.INI file and locate the section pertaining to your
printer (i.e.- [ Apple Laserwriter, LPT1 ] ) and add the following line:

LandScapeOrient=270

Make sure you add this to the printer section with the printer name and not
the section that merely states "PostScript, LPT1"  Best way to tell the
difference is the fact that the named section will not have any font
definitions.  Also, be careful when you re-assign ports on your printer or
assign the printer to FILE:, you will have to re-edit your WIN.INI to add the
above line to the new section.

As you can guess, this is not really correcting the problem, it is merely
inverting the page so that everything else will rotate and your EPS graphic
will stay in the proper place.



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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:13:28 EDT
Reply-To:     Angel <CRD5@VTVM1.BITNET>
From:         Angel <CRD5@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Linotype printing

Hi, everyone.  I am having a hard time with the linotype printing service here
where I work.  I don't know what I am doing wrong, but... let me back up, I'm
getting ahead of myself.

I work on an IBM, for starters.  I have a brochure set up in PM4.0 - 3 color.
I did some drawings in CorelDraw and copied them to the clipboard, then copied
them into Pagemaker.  I had no problem printing the thing - color separations a
nd all on my HPIII.  However, I take my files to another department where they
turn them into Mac-files and then print them on the linotype for me.  For some
reason I'm getting boxes with X's through them where the graphics should be.
The lady who does it isn't familiar enough with IBM to tell me what I'm doing
wrong, so I'm asking you.  Have any of you ever heard of a problem like this
and know the solution.  I'm coming up on a hard deadline and I need a solution
quick!  Thank you very much!

Angel...
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:49:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Diana Osborne <OSBORNE@UNC.BITNET>
From:         Diana Osborne <OSBORNE@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      font problem

Okay all you PMKR jock(ette)s.  I get so  much useful info
from this list, but I'm generally about three weeks behind,
trying to keep ahead of the autodelete feature which auto-
matically wipes out unread mail after three weeks have
elapsed.  So I've just been reading through the electronic
applause of the smart and helpful folks on this list.
At any rate, I have a problem I can't figger.  Pagemaker
document, version 4.0, problematic font is Times Narrow.
(I have a vague recollection of some morsel of info
that Times Narrow has something odd about it, like it's
some sort of amalgamation or simply condensed...)  We
originally had a terrible time getting these files to
print- the printer (Laserwriter II) would seem to overload
and reinitialize itself again and again.  To remedy this
(oh sorry, Mac IIsi, 40 mg HD, 4mg RAM, System 6.0.7) we
wanted to reinstall just the APDs, ended up reinstalling
the whole program, and possibly the system as well-I've
been out of touch with my partner in troubleshooting.
The files now print fine, no printer jamming at all,
but everything in Times Narrow behaves in a bizarre
manner- as soon as the cursor is placed in it, it explodes
and takes up double the space it had, as if the tracking
were set to extremely loose to the nth degree.  I cannot
find any explanation in the styles, the tracking, kerning
etc, and am stumped and approaching desperate.  Even when
I adjust the tracking to very tight and use set width to
condense, it still does not get the tight look it originally
had and which is what we want.Any suggestions welcomed-
hope I've provided adequate information about the problem.
Thanks in advance for any help- Diana O. (OSBORNE@UNC.bitnet)
                                UNC-Chapel Hill
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