From: cheung@boromir.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: july22_hk
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:34:40 GMT
Reply-To: cheung@boromir.hw.stratus.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Hardware Engineering

From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)

>Also, someone mentioned the guy might have got the stuff from his company's
>bulletin board.  Well, I think Stratus is a better company than that, and also,
>I am glad I do not work for that kind of a company.

>Charles

Mr. Mok, I think you are really making this too serious.  Somebody mentioned
that I might have gotten it from the company bulletin board does not warrant
your comment of "I am glad I do not work for THAT KIND of company".  What I
do with soc.culture.hongkong is compleletly seperate from my work and indeed,
Stratus is a great company to work for.  Please don't randomize our discussion.

>I can admit that I may be becoming too old.  But, the principle here has very
>little to do with uptightness or not.  Snipings aside, it has nothing to do
>with DEC or any large company either.  Try showing your humor to your personnel
>department at Stratus, and you will find out if it can be tolerated there.  

Again, my "postscript" showed no contempt toward DEC.  In fact, I think DEC is
a phenominal company both as an inovator and employer.  (See P.S. ) All I am 
saying is that larger companies are more strigent about enforcing their sexual 
discrimination and harrassment rules and their employees are more consciences 
about such work ethics than their counterparts in smaller companies.  This, 
in itself, is a wonderful thing.  

>Restricting speech by using the politically correctness argument is garbage, I
>agree with you there.  But blindly rebuking criticisms by claiming the other
>side is playing to the so-called political correctness is a blatant coping-out.
>The logic is getting confusing here, but I hope you get my point.

>Don't take it too personally.  I did not call you a chavinistic pig.  I can be
>unconsciously sexist sometimes too.  I am sure you're ok and a fine person. 
>It's only that people's impressions on others may be so skewed because of some
>minor things - and this statement can apply both ways.

>Charles

Mr. Mok, following is what I said in my "postscript".

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p.s.  Only people in USA are so politically correct.  So I won't waste any
bandwidth to send the message world-wide as I did in my original message.
In case you have a friend in Hong Kong who so happened to mention the 
chauvinistic pig on the net, just tell her, he is O.K.
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Did I say that you said that I was a "chauvinistic pig"?  Read it carefully,
it WERE someone in Hong Kong and it WERE a HER.  Mr. Mok,  fine, you don't like
the joke.  But can you please take a light comment at the end of a long serious
article in the format of p.s.?

I am really saddened, Mr. Mok, that you have to make a huge campaign out of
a joke that is not vicious by any measure.  I kept my silence, carefully read
all the comments on the net, come back to make a follow-up to clarify my
intent, and you still aren't satisfied.  Tell me, Mr. Mok, what would you like
me to do?

Cheung

p.s.  O.K.  I am really scared of you, Mr. Mok.  Let me make everything clear.
I said DEC is a great employer has no sarcastic meaning.  Given the current
difficulties DEC is experiencing, you might once again jump up and down and
accuse me being this and that.