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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <19743@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <1992Sep27.055538.1035@ksmith.uucp> keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>}} 
>}} Give them a little time.  They've
>}} been working on a 386 Unix for about a year with a handful of people and
>}} produced a pretty darn stable product.
>
>There's the rub.  If you consider Linus, Drew, H.J., and a couple of
>others who've slipped my mind to be working on linux (no offense
>intended), then they've accomplished more in less time, with less
>staff, than MWC (linux has networking, virtual memory, X, MGR, ...).

But then you have to consider that the total staff of MWC is 30 people,
and that 5 of them are actually programmers.  And that they support both
286 and 386 versions of Coherent.  And that Coherent 4.0 runs binaries
from ESIX, ISC, and SCO SVR3 boxes, and produces binaries for those same
boxes.  And they have people working on TCP/IP, virtual memory, and the
rest of the goodies.

>And with Owen and Ted helping to manage the software at FTP sites, the
>burden of collecting it is way overrated.  There's even a service that
>will ship you pre-formatted, bootable floppies with linux, if you
>don't have ftp access.

>Nope, the place where Coherent wins is NOT on the technical side.  It
>is with the documentation, and the "it's a real company, so they'll
>give me better support" security blanket that is necessary to get bean
>counters to use a product.  No disputing it, Coherent has linux beat
>on those counts, and thus Coherent is a better choice for the user who
>isn't interested in compiling a kernel.

Coherent is a better choice for someone who wants an OS with one foot in
the door of the commercial world.

Coherent is a better choice for someone who doesn't want to recompile the
kernel, the compiler, and every command in the system once a week.

I like Linux, and if I had a spare PC that I wasn't using, I would have it
up and running here.  I've fooled with it on other systems, like it, but
realize that it is not at the state where it can be relied upon to be up
24 hours a day.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: fishkin@parc.xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Subject: vi on a PC
Reply-To: fishkin@parc.xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:06:44 GMT

Thanks to the many people who helped me find versions of "vi"
which run on a PC running DOS. I also received a number of requests
asking me to share the answers, which were:
    1) "Elvis", available from wuarchive.wustl.edu under 
/mirrors/mdsos/editor, or oak.oakland.edu under pub/msdos/editor
    2) "Calvin", available from oak.oakland.edu under pub/msdos/editor
    3) "pc-vi", available from plains.nodak.edu under /pub/pc/editors
    4) MKS toolkit, commerically available for around $100.

Of these, I've only actually tried "calvin", which I'm happy with.

Thanks again for the help,

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Subject: Re: Help! 386BSD and Linux (Was Re: Attempted Summary: UNIX on a PC clone)
Organization: Texaco
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.191515.3983@worldbank.org>, sthomas@worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> Linux: System installed beautifully (all 15 disks downloaded
|> from /pub/linux/SLS at the tsx-11.mit.edu site).  However, I
|> can't get X-windows to work.  I issue the command "X" and the
|> system basically hangs.  I am a newbie to X-windows, though
|> I have been using Unix (SCO Xenix at the office) for some time.  How
|> does one invoke X-windows?  Does the system hang because 4MB RAM
|> is just insufficient, or would it work with 4MB RAM, just very slowly?
|> I'll get 8MB RAM, but only if that's all it would take to get X
|> to work.

There are two programs which have to be running before X will work.
First, you have to be running the server program - X.  You seem 
to be doing that just fine.  However, the server will not do anything
by itself except serve a client program.  If you do not have a client,
the machine will seem to hang.

What you need to do is run a window manager.  The window manager will
allow you to set up custom menus, window borders, etc, and will let
you launch new applications with the click of a mouse.  So how do you
start two programs at once?

There is a program called xinit which will start everything for you.
It will start X and as many clients as you want.  Read the man pages
on xinit.  You will need to set up a .xinitrc file.  here is a copy
of part of mine.

  # start the window manager
  twm &

  # set up a background bitmap -- you probably don't want this yet
  xsetroot -fg black -bg gray -bitmap Ibitmap

  # allow these machines to connect to the X server -- you probably
  # don't need this
  xhost aisun aiav1 aipc1 aisun2 >/dev/null

  #adjust the mouse to my liking
  xset m 3 1&

  # Logging off of this console terminal ends the X session
  xterm -bg white  -fg black  -g 80x10+1+1 -C \
      -bw 5 -sb -sk -n "console" -i

Good luck!
-- 
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                                exception of myself.
From: nnguyen@novell.com (Never Mind !)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: How to put together 386BSD
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:33:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia


Greetings,

 Would you please CC it to me also ?!
 Thanks,

--Tom

>
>
>
> Hi,
>  I transferred all the files of 386BSD from agate.Berkeley.edu. I was 
>
> wondering can anybody tell me as to how to install them on PC.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dinesh.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: UNIX on a PC clone
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 01:22:04 GMT

In article <19743@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <1992Sep27.055538.1035@ksmith.uucp> keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>}} 
>}} Give them a little time.  They've
>}} been working on a 386 Unix for about a year with a handful of people and
>}} produced a pretty darn stable product.
>
>There's the rub.  If you consider Linus, Drew, H.J., and a couple of
>others who've slipped my mind to be working on linux (no offense
>intended), then they've accomplished more in less time, with less
>staff, than MWC (linux has networking, virtual memory, X, MGR, ...).

Ahh,  While I realize that the linux core is fairly small their are a
LOT of people who have contributed to linux.  A lot.  Many more than
even are employed by Mark Williams Co.

>And with Owen and Ted helping to manage the software at FTP sites, the
>burden of collecting it is way overrated.  There's even a service that
>will ship you pre-formatted, bootable floppies with linux, if you
>don't have ftp access.

Ahh,  this service will ship the disks for no money I suppose?  Now, I
don't have direct FTP, but I can get FTP stuff.  Still a hassle.  Look I
LIKED linux, even had it running for a couple of months.  It's just a
little hackish, and kind of idiosyncratic.

>
>Nope, the place where Coherent wins is NOT on the technical side.  It
>is with the documentation, and the "it's a real company, so they'll
>give me better support" security blanket that is necessary to get bean
>counters to use a product.  No disputing it, Coherent has linux beat
>on those counts, and thus Coherent is a better choice for the user who
>isn't interested in compiling a kernel.

Yea, and the INTEL binary / COFF compatability.  It's back to the "how
much work do you want to do".  Most of the people disputing the
difficulty getting a LINUX up and running already have everything they
need sitting there.  a root/boot image does not an os make.

>
>Both have their niche.
>

Yep,  And if LINUX picked up some of the INTEL binary/COFF features I
might even load it up again.  Especially if a DOS/merge style product
was working.  I'm following it closely.  It's a great self-motivated
group there.  I just wish I had the free time all these people do.
-- 
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Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
From: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Binaries/objects question
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:23:37 GMT
Reply-To: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: FiFi's Taco Stand

Hello, 

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but I'ma bit confused. Would
binary and object files compiled on one verison of an Intel-based UNIX
operate/link correctly on another? For example, SCO libraries on
Dell's SvR4 UNIX.

thanks,

shane


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: have: u386mon for SVR4
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:42:30 GMT

In article <BvKGMs.6Az@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>Dell ships top which is quite handy at monitoring kernel performance
>and memory usage.  It comes on on their distiribution tape, and works
>rather well.

	I think I just read somewhere that top does not show
	any new processes since invoking top.  If so, this seems
	like it would make top useless.
	The sysvr4 u386mon just announced seems to be working
	fine.

-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: jong@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: The inevitable question: Xwindows
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:06:12 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Sep24.055443.13542@unlv.edu> danield@unlv.edu (Daniel Davidson) writes:
>In article <ucosmo.717280543@mcl> ucosmo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Boris Burtin) writes:
>>Are any of the freely-distributed Unices capable of compiling/running Xwindows?
>
>There sure is.  X-Windows compiles and runs under 386BSD. I'm sure there are
>other free/cheap  *nix's out there that will also work with X-windows.
>
>Daniel


Linux currectly has version 2.0 of X11R5.  It supports Tseng Lab, Paradise
and a few other chipsets (Trident in beta testing).  It works beautifully
on my 386 box with Diamond Speedstar Hicolor and Hyundai (yes, hyundai!)
monitor.  You can choose either Tom's or Open Look for window manager.
It's very fast, nearly as fast as X installed on my school's IBM Risc
Terminals!

Jongyoon
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: sthomas@worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas)
Subject: Help! 386BSD and Linux (Was Re: Attempted Summary: UNIX on a PC clone)
Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:15:15 GMT

I found Ajay Shah's summary useful, interesting and (for me) timely.  
Thank you, Ajay...

As a direct result, I tried installing 386BSD (unsuccessfully)
and Linux (hardly any trouble) on my machine at home.

386BSD: TinyBSD booted ok on my 386DX/16MHz Zenith at the office.
When attempting to boot on the machine at home, the system
would just hang.  Any ideas why?  The system is a 20MHz 
AST 386C with RAM Caching, Orchid Prodesigner IIs SVGA card,
4MB RAM.  I suspect a compatibility problem with the video card.

Linux: System installed beautifully (all 15 disks downloaded
from /pub/linux/SLS at the tsx-11.mit.edu site).  However, I
can't get X-windows to work.  I issue the command "X" and the
system basically hangs.  I am a newbie to X-windows, though
I have been using Unix (SCO Xenix at the office) for some time.  How
does one invoke X-windows?  Does the system hang because 4MB RAM
is just insufficient, or would it work with 4MB RAM, just very slowly?
I'll get 8MB RAM, but only if that's all it would take to get X
to work.

Keep up the good work, you guys.  I can almost not believe it...  Free
UNIX!  After always having had to pay an arm and a leg for SCO's 
stuff, not all of which works well (eg. SCO Integra, what a dog!)

Sidney Thomas

Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de
Subject: Re: Help! 386BSD and Linux (Was Re: Attempted Summary: UNIX on a PC clone)
Followup-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Organization: Uni Koblenz, Germany.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.191515.3983@worldbank.org> sthomas@worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas) writes:
>from /pub/linux/SLS at the tsx-11.mit.edu site).  However, I
>can't get X-windows to work.  I issue the command "X" and the
>system basically hangs.  I am a newbie to X-windows, though

All you're doing there is starting the server and of course after that nothing
happens. You need to edit

/usr/lib/X11/Xconfig

you also need to copy

cp /usr/lib/X11/twm/system.twmrc /.twmrc
cp /usr/lib/X11/init/xinitrc /.xinitrc

then type 

startx

This is a script to start X windows properly. I have 8MB (soon to be 20MB) and
when  I'm logged in on one VC, start X with xclock, 2 xterms, a console and
xcalc I still have ~6.5 MB free so 4MB should be no problem.

This is from memory so don't be too upset if I got it wrong. Just remember:-

 If in danger or in doubt, get the fucking manuals out!
-- 
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Uni Koblenz,  | (..!unido!infko!hodgen)     | Keeper of the Scrolls, |  Just
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Xref: sparky comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:267 comp.unix.sysv386:15262
From: raymond@es.ele.tue.nl (Raymond Nijssen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Announcing the availability of XFree86 1.1
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:29:10 GMT
	<1992Oct4.153343.19444@hippo.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
In-reply-to: ccml@hippo.ru.ac.za's message of 4 Oct 92 15:33:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.153343.19444@hippo.ru.ac.za> ccml@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mike Lawrie) writes:

>   In <1992Oct3.132808.11065@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:

>>			Announcing XFree86 1.1
>>..[etc]...
>>		agate.berkeley.edu		- 386BSD binaries
>>			under /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86

>   Am I jumping the gun, or is the above a mistake? It was not there when I
>   looked a few minutes ago.

Due to over-saturated long-distance network connections, our attempts to get
the new release of XFree86 to ftp.win.tue.nl have not yet been fully
successful as well.

Please have a little more patience. I guess it'll be there completely within 2
more days given <0.1 Kbytes/s throughput.

-Raymond
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor)
Subject: Problem with TCP/IP and NFS with Intel UNIX
Organization: Boston Business Computing, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:09:52 GMT

I am using an old version of Intel's Sys V/386 release 3.2 OS.  On a
386 25Mhz system with a WD8003e ethernet card.  This version of the OS
uses the Lachman and Associates version .3 TCP/IP software.

Every so often the network just goes away.  The system continues to run
but ping's/rlogin's etc. fail.  This is always caused by heavy NFS access
to a SPARC host.  The SPARC is running SunOS 4.1.1.

I've tried stopping TCP/IP and NFS and restarting but everything remains
hung.

Anybody have a clue as to how I can rectify this problem?  Even if I have
to tweek something on a regular basis to restart TCP/IP it would help.
Unfortunately we can't upgrade to a newer version of the OS right now.
That would require $$$.

Any insight would be GREATLY appreciated.
-- 
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cgf@ednor.bbc.com	"I am not here."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: UNIX on a PC clone
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:52:24 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>and that 5 of them are actually programmers.  And that they support both

Sounds like a small outfit to me -- How many programmers did (does
$CO have on staff?  At time time, I could have sworn it was well over
a hundred)

>286 and 386 versions of Coherent.  And that Coherent 4.0 runs binaries
>from ESIX, ISC, and SCO SVR3 boxes, and produces binaries for those same
>boxes.  And they have people working on TCP/IP, virtual memory, and the
>rest of the goodies.

Yes, but until it is officially supported by Word Perfect, Microsoft
Word, Foxbase, dBase, Lotus -- Coherent still won't attract the commercial
market

>Coherent is a better choice for someone who wants an OS with one foot in
>the door of the commercial world.

And not the choice for those who want access to the commerical world :)

-- 
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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: ketil@spurv.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: Many questions..
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:25:22

In article <BvBM4u.GF2@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:

   From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
   Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:38:53 GMT

   In article <!bjz7lb@rpi.edu> gallatin@altair.cs.rpi.edu (Andrew Gallatin) writes:
   >Would something like a 486-DX w/4M ram  & 100M hd provide enough power
   >and storage space?

   No.  You want at least 8MB for X.  If you can afford it, get 16MB.
   100MB will probably not be enough disk space, either; get 150MB
   [ advice deleted]

The disk size depends on what you want; just the binaries?  Lots of
software?  2000 cindy gif's?  source code?  You'd probably manage on a
100mb, but as always, more is more...

I'd recommend buying a 33mhz 486, and use the money you saved (by not
going 50mhz) to get larger disk and or more RAM.  Also, if you
contemplate a local bus machine, note that a 33mhz cpu -> 33mhz bus,
while 50mhz DX2 -> 25 mhz bus.  (But of course, DX50 -> 50mhz bus)

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From: alex@am.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: UNIX on a PC clone
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:23:52 GMT
Organization: Premiata Famiglia Martelli & Figli

cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor) writes:

:>Are there any free (or really cheap) implementations of "UNIX" for PCs
:>out there that run standard COFF executables?

I'm told Coherent 4.0 ($99.95) does meet the Intel binary compatibility
standard, so I guess it should run COFF alright (as I recall, the limit
is you can't have networking nor X-windows graphics).  Do check in
comp.os.coherent, though.
-- 
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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: SCO and Microsoft (Was: Re: Attempted summary (Was Re: UNIX on a PC clone))
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:05:38 GMT
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA

In <Bv542n.2Aw@portal.hq.videocart.com> kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

......
:2)	It is a REAL Unix, and not a SVR3 knock-off.

Version 7 was ``REAL Unix''.  Everything after that is feaping
creaturism :-).

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Re: New acronym needed? (Was Re: What does 'daemon' mean?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:15:48 GMT

In <NICKEL.92Sep28200232@desaster.cs.tu-berlin.de> nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen) writes:

>In article <GUENTHER.92Sep27215328@amcl5.stolaf.edu>
>guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip A Guenther) writes:

>[answering a question about the origin of "daemon"]

>> For more info consult the actual jargon file pages. :-)

>Perhaps it is time to introduce a new acronym:

>	RTFJF  ==  Read The ... Jargon File

Actually, I think the Jargon File should be the FAQ for this group. It
seems that's the source for 80% of the answers to questions around here...

               Later,
                  Steven Ourada


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From: jaf@icf.hrb.com (Jeffrey A. Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Help, tar problems
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:39:15 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.


	Can anyone offer me any suggestions on miracles involving
	9-track tar tapes. I have a tape that is loaded with one 
	tar file that contains 12 drawing databases. The problem
	developed when another very small tar file was written to 
	the tape (how did that happen) at the beginning of the
	tape. Now the larger tarfile that has much needed data
	is buried underneath the smaller one since the second
	tarfile has trashed the beginning of file marker. The
	situation now is that when listing or extracting the tape
	it moves about three revolutions to the end of the smaller
	file and the rest of the tape contains info that can not 
	be retrieved. I am aware of tar modifiers that skip to find 
	other tarfiles, however this does not seem to be appropriate
	since there aren't additional tarfiles too find. There is only
	one file, and it has no beginning of file marker. --HELP!--

	Any help that is offered will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
	in advance for your concern over something that is my problem.
	Please respond to the internet address below or to this newsgroup.
-- 
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