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From: pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Fwd: the sexism thang
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:02:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

In <Qf1LPMy00iV3Q2xYta@andrew.cmu.edu> wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:
>give it some more thought on your own.  I'm dismayed at the lack of
>feminist voices on this group; the discussion could really be enriched by
>their criticisms and possible insights.
>   --Jesse.
True in a way. Just personally, as a feminist, I stayed out of this one 
because I'm tired of being flamed or just disbelieved (do you know how
many males out there think that the problem of sexism was solved in
the 60's?). So I was just too tired to post. Cowardly, yes, but hey!

Peter
PS. Yes, I AM a male feminist. I realise that I have been indoctrinated by my 
society, but that doesn't stop me from at least supporting and trying 
to understand feminist issues.
--
*******************************************************************************
Peter van Heusden              "The extreme always makes an impression"
CS2, UCT, Cape Town, RSA             J.D. - Lethal Attraction 
pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za              
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mfreund@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark W Freund)
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:06:02 GMT

>   
>It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
>heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
>video games within 5 years), and that violence is spilling over

	Too late! pornographic games are already here. We have a 
	game called Gal's Panic here. Its a game in which every
	level further disrobes the girl, sort of like strip poker.
From: hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mortal Kombat
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:47:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <722178367snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz> parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Oh - anyone got a list of moves for [Mortal Kombat]?  I still haven't worked
>out a single special attack, bar Sonya's leg flip (and I don't know how I did
>it 8-) - feel free to email me here (but no, I wont mail the list back
>out - I'll post it somewhere for all to see after I've made a compilation!)

I just thought that everyone might like to know--there's a quite thriving
discussion of Mortal Kombat going on in the newsgroup rec.games.video.arcade
right now.  Anyone who wants a move list could try asking there;  there are
several different versions that get posted every so often.  (Just please
don't post about 400 billion "Could you mail me the tips list?"  "Me Too!"
"Me Three!" postings, OK?)

Actually, a discussion of Mortal Kombat as it relates to cyberpunk might be
kinda stimulating over there right now....

-- 
********  Dave Hollinsworth  *******  hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  ********
*   "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee!" - Khan Noonian Singh, Star Trek II   *
************  DISCLAIMER:  They're my opinions.  Are they yours?  *************
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:38:35 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner

I can't believe how long this thread has been going on!

R Scott would be proud of all of you...
From: tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:49:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62144.student.cwru.edu

In article <wilder.721708756@mik.uky.edu> wilder@nx02.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>From: wilder@nx02.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
>Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
>Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:39:16 GMT
>In <tjk5.29.721684513@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
>    
>|>> The girl who played Nikita in La Femme Nikita as
>|>> Molly--assuming she can speak English well enough to offset the
>|>> "Depardieu Syndrome" that rendered _1492_ almost unwatchable.
>
>|>Jeez! To think that people are actually *wondering* why "Mad Max" was
>|>dubbed with American voices when released in the US...:-)
>
>|>Her name, BTW, is Anne Parillaud.
>
>|And she's got a pretty thick accent (Anybody see _Innocent Blood_ ?)
>
>She's also waaay too old for the part.  She was close to the perfect age
>in _Nikita_, but that was filmed in, what, 82 or 83?  I reassert my pick
>of Jennifer Jason Leigh.  She has the *edge* that I envision in Molly,
>and she won't overshadow the role with her looks.  I got the impression     
>from _Neuromancer_ that Molly was attractive (well, at least *I* would have
>found her attractive), but not a knockout.  Except maybe literally.

I believe that _Le Femme Nikita_ was produced in 1991, or at least that's
what the flyer I got when I saw it says (pinned above my desk). She doesn't
really fit my image of Molly very well....I second Jennifer Jason Leigh
(short haired one :-) ).......

Why is everybody suggesting such young actors for Case? Case is not old
but he is not NEARLY as young as Bobby Newmark (Count Zero)...




-Tim Kordas
kordas@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu
From: 90jmb@eng.cam.ac.uk (J.M. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: WhatIs all This?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:00:11 GMT
Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department, England

>
>	What do The Golden Rule, Robot Sex, Femminism, and Penis Envy have to 
>		do with CyberPunk?
>

  Just a bit of self-analysis by the self-aware.

Moose.
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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.industrial,alt.sex.stories.d
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:09:33 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) writes:

>      Those who believe they are the righteous are the ones going to hell.  Th
> sinner who knows his soul is black who turns to God in humility and mercy sha
> ascend to Jesus' throne.

And Elvis lives in my basement.


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
From: Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:47:09 GMT
Organization: The Evening Herald

In article <1992Nov12.045117.25781@midway.uchicago.edu> dggoldst@quads.uchicago.edu (daniel gray goldstein) writes:
>From: dggoldst@quads.uchicago.edu (daniel gray goldstein)
>Subject: Re: Unicorn scene in Bladerunner
>Date: 12 Nov 92 04:51:17 GMT
>Decker is a replicant!
>
>Accept this and go in peace.

Did you read the book ? It has little or nothing to do with the movie, but 
that is another issue. Decker is not a replicant, if you really think so and 
have reasoned this out, then find another hobby or interest, mabe the 
opposite sex for exmaple. The "unicorn scene" is just his equating Rachel 
with a mythical beast, she is both alluring and myterious.

							-CFK
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: burtp@rs6223.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Keywords: golden rule
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:44:42 GMT

In article <1em7j3INN7jb@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phufk@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B Thomson) writes:
>
> I think that there is some confusion over the teachings of Christianity here,
>with repect to ethical philosophies.
>
> The "golden rule" that you are discussing seems to stem from certain themes in
>the Old Testament, including ideas such as "an eye for an eye and a tooth for
>a tooth."  As Ghandi said, if you go round with this sort of attitude, everyone
>is going to end up blind.  :)
>
> I seem to recall that Jesus doesn`t actuually make an appearance in the Bible
>until the New Testament and the moral philosophy seems to change somewhat
>thereafter.
>
> Obviously, the Bible is open to interpretation, but I understand the Christian
>"golden rule" to be something along the lines of "Love everyone
>unconditionally".  I think this has several advantages over the much discussed
>"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "Do not do unto others
>as you would not have them not do unto you".

This, in fact is an increadible insight into Christianity.  In fact,
many Christians often get confused on this issue themselves (trust
me, I am one).  Jesus taught that people should "turn the other cheek".

I have been leading a discussion in my dorm centered around morality,
Christianity and culture and how these things interact.  Both
Christians and people of other beliefs are involved.  One of the
topics we have been discusing recently has been "rights" and "the
legislation of morality".  We have had some interesting discussions
without reaching a whole lot of conclusions.

I am rather new to the world of cyberpunk, but I would be interested
to know how people are thinking on issues such as these.  Cyberpunk
thought seems to focus on what things are like now and what they will
be like without asking what "should" things be like.  Nonetheless,
everyone has an opinion - so share them.

later,
phil
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From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:41:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <4f3NKmW00WBO88d71X@andrew.cmu.edu> Elistan+@CMU.EDU (Mark Alan Lang) writes:
>
>    Have you read much by Larry Niven?  From what I've seen and heard,

	You might want to include Pournelle in there as well.  For
me they're nearly synonymous :)

>he's considered one of the best hard science fiction authors there is. 

	Really?  I will admit that he and Pournelle both love to
play with technology in their books, but they lack something which
would put them in my "diamond-hard SF" category.  Perhaps not enough
imagination or something, can't tell.  Give me a few days to mull it
over...

>I agree - he certainly has a LOT of really interesting ideas.  He also
>has some of the best characters and plots I've ever come accross.

	You're kidding right?  His and Pournelle's books tend to
revolve around a central idea (Invasion of Earth [Footfall], First
Contact [Mote in God's Eye], etc) and then they just show off right
and left.  Neither of their books are as serious as I wish they
were.
	Both of them seem to lack some really interesting ideas that
would really interest me.  Gibson and Sterling both strike me as
more "hard SF" for some reason (flame me, I know.  They're both
getting to be cliches, but they're the ones who come first to my
mind).
	Oath of Fealty was interesting, but again it wasn't all that
impressive so far as Incredible Ideas are concerned.  They're
writing about an arcology (seen it before), they talk about icebergs
being pulled into LA for water (seen it before), they talk on
occasion about what society would be like living in an arcology and
the difficulties involved (interesting, but not really SF).
	Footfall was severely lacking.  Niven and Pournelle
basically showed off along on the lines of, "Boy, SF writers have
suddenly become the most important people on the planet!  Let's go
off on this idea..."  Nothing very incredible...
	The Mote in God's Eye was similar.  Intersting alien
culture, but the technology wasn't original at all.  Same general SF
stuff...
	Ringworld had a single good idea (the ringworld), but beyond
that, what was so exciting so far as technology was concerned?

	Perhaps I'm biased, but I do try to read a variety of works
by different authors, regardless of whether I like them or not.
Niven has never really struck me as an incredible author so far as
technology was concerned.  His books are interesting reads and I
certainly consider him an important member of the SF community, but
not because of his impressively novel uses for technology...

>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Mark Lang                       |  ml5t+@andrew.cmu.edu            |
>|  elistan+@cmu.edu                |  elistan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu  |
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: nyx.du.edu
Date: 15 Nov 92 04:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

DT> wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:
>    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
>theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
>pull our collective legs.  We've got preachers & militant feminists,
>we've got all kinds of extremist crazies popping up from
>nowhere....oops, not nowhere --nyx.du.edu.
DT> Hmmm.......
>    Any of you real people who use this machine ever seen any of these folks?
DT> One of `em could be sitting right next to you...  <grin>  The world's full 
  > `em....
DT> Maybe I'm one....  <grin>

All this nyx.du.edu shit is really getting out of hand.  Welcome to the
public access network of internet.  Where any pinhead with a terminal
and a prompt can become a Multiple Personality Disorder Sufferer in a matter
of moments....

Have fun with all yourselves.
Mykel "Caught for a while but just irritated now" Alvis


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Love is grand.  Divorce, twenty grand.
From: eschneid@sparc49.tamu.edu (Erich R Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: The best part of bOING-bOING's Mondo 2000 parody
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:57:03
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc49.cs.tamu.edu


I think the best part of bb's Mondo 2000 parody is the "Dark Person &
Sandi Shoreline's Neocortical Nutriment Sales Pyramid, Inc.", ad.
It exemplifies the "jump on the cyberpunk bandwagon and make a quick
buck" attitude. The quote of choice, summing up the cyber-poser attitude:

"I take loads of NeuroShock. I like it when I'm watching _Obese Kitten_
videos, playing _SimHell_, listening to _Strawberry Alarmclock DVA_, or
perusing the lastest copy of _mONDO mONDO_ looking for more cyberpunk
stuff to purchase in an attempt to define myself through consumerism"
 -- Rudy Anton McLeary, Jr.
--
Erich Schneider  eschneid@cs.tamu.edu

"The Hierophant is Disguised and Confused."
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:38:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.) says:
>mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) writes:
>: 
>: DS> Another factor that is really more prevalent in private BBS's than USENET, 
>:   > that a lot of men consider women-in-cyberspace as nothing more than potenti
>:   > chewtoys.
>: 
>: WHAT?  Please expound...
>: I belong to one of the larger BBS's in the country, and I get all the main
>: board non-private mail, as well as a large number of conferences (this one, 
>: for instance).  I have yet to see any evidence that indicates that any male on
>: this or any of the 15 or so other boards I regularly call are looking for a
>: rawhide bone.  This statement in itself is terribly sexist.
	Actually, that statement in itself is terribly accurate. If you
	were going to harass a woman for kicks, would you do it openly
	where any shining knight wanna be can rip you apart? No.
>: I'm afraid I'm gonna need some clarification on that point.
>
>I think what is being addressed here is what does indeed happen on
>multi-line BBS's of a chat-system nature.  There are two such systems here
>in Milwaukee and, yes, women who call in are subjected to a certain amount
>of harrassment by the male users who are very much the majority. 
	That's happened out here in Cleveland as well - although most 
	of the females can give as good as they get, and there are more
	than enough males who are willing to rack up brownie points by
	lambasting transgressors that it's not as common as it could be.
>basis here.  If this isn't sexual abuse, if not at least sexual harrassment,
>then what is?
	Annoying as hell, IMO. The system I'm on, the Cleveland FreeNet,
	is in the habit of yanking accounts from people who do it, so
	that tends to keep things 'friendly'.

Kitten
-- 
Do you like the dark?
Do you like the way it moves?
Do you come alive when neon kills the sun?
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From: centaur@spud.kludge.com (Victor Scott Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:07:38 PST
Organization: TTLF - Free News & Mail System, San Francisco, CA

rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:

> In article <KAYVAN.92Nov13140101@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (K
> >In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.ed
> >
> >   If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
> >   them do unto you", 
> >
> >But I *do* unto others as I would have them do unto me! Whips, chains,
> >cuffs etc... :-)
> >
> >But seriously, I think the golden rule should really be: "Do unto
> >others as *they* would have you do unto them."
> >
> >			---Kayvan
> --------------------------
> Problem with that one, Kayvan. You become their slave. You have to do
> whatever they want, and then they do too, so nobody can figure out
> what to do, they are all so worn out following each other around and
> asking what they should do. :)  Also, it precludes telling them
> anything they don't want to hear. I don't recall Jesus being said to
> have done that. I think the Golden Rule is a fairy tale. People work
> things out, even if they do it with unwritable algorithms.
> - Steve
> 
> -- 

THe best version I have heard is "Do not do unto others, what you 
wouldn't have them do unto you."

Vik-Thor Scott Rose  /   centaur@spud.Kludge.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~\_______________/~~~~~~~~~~~>-----------------<_________
Like and different are quickening words, brooding and hatching.
Better and worse are eggsucking words, they leave only they shell.
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: bOING-bOING
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:52:58 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman) writes:
: Why does bOING^2 have a different address in every issue?  Do people play
: host-mailbox for them, or what?
: 

Does anyone have the address for bOING bOING?  I'd like to see an issue.
Also, is it available from anyone/where on the net (not necessarily in
electronic form)?


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: modern space opera (was: Diamond-hard SF)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:40:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark) says:

>
>	I've just finished reading "Dying of the Light" by George R R
>Martin,which is definitely an SO.It was actually written in the
>mid-seventies,but apparently he's written some more in the same vein.
>He's also written Fevre Dream,which is a vampire novel,and some shorts,
>including one which won a Hugo.His most famous piece,as far as I can
	Good author... He's got an anthology out, a collection
	of a series of shorts called _Tuff Voyaging_. About a pilot
	who acquired an old, *BIG* ship. (Big = 30 kilometers along
	the x axis, etc....) Good stuff. :)

Kitten
-- 
Do you like the dark?
Do you like the way it moves?
Do you come alive when neon kills the sun?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: matrix@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Dunn)
Subject: NEW BOOK ON VIRTUAL REALITY, FOREWORD BY J. LANIER
Organization: Matrix Information Services
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:42:52 GMT


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From: 003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:52:22 GMT


>> >      Those who believe they are the righteous are the ones going to hell.  
>> > sinner who knows his soul is black who turns to God in humility and mercy s
>> > ascend to Jesus' throne.
>> 
>> And Elvis lives in my basement.
>
>        NO, he lives in mine!!!!

  No, no.  I was talking to Elvis just yesterday in the local Kentuky Fried 
Chicken (oops, KFC, I mean), and he didn't say anything about being in 
anyone's basement, being kidnapped by aliens, or returning to earth as 
Halley's comet!

 KID ANARKY

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