HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:23:24 GMT
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide

In article <55440006@hpscit.sc.hp.com>
jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon) writes:
 
>Chello again,
>
>Shortly after my first post, I started to wonder if the endowment thing
>holds the same fascination for lesbians?  From my observations, many straight
>men seem to be preoccupied with it (my dad for one).
>
>Just kinda curious,
>jap
>
I won't try to speak for *all* lesbians, of course, but what kind of
endowment are you talking about? Peni don't have much appeal to me;
large breasts have a certain appeal in some contexts. But I'm not
much of a size queen under any circumstances... : )
 
Tracey
Shyster stealth lesbian weasel-in-training
shyster: (prob. from Scheusster fl 1840 Am. attorney frequently rebuked
in a New York court for pettifoggery)
Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Race and Language (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:25:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.201118.18625@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec21.200351.26183@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>>eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>
>>>Does that mean I should strike "denigrate" from my vocabulary?  Or that
>>>it's an excellent example of (1) above.  Or both?
>
>It's in a class with "white lies" and "gypped" and "black
>marks" against you, and innumerable other examples.  It's a
>personal choice, but mine is to get rid of it.  One can
>certainly say what one means, I think, without using it.

I don't think it's like "gypped". "Gypped" is, in origin, a slur;
Romany (aka "Gypsies") were believed to be cheaters and thieves,
so "Gypsy" (--> "gyp") became a synonym for "cheat".

Denigrate, on the other hand, didn't start out as a slur. The
"white = good, black = bad" convention goes back long before our
racial tensions, and I think it's entirely unrelated to race. (If
anything, it's because of our fear of the dark, an entirely
sensible fear if there are wolves out there; the "white = purity"
is probably because a garment that's white is evidently clean.)
Some non-European cultures have similar usages; e.g. many
Africans customarily dress entirely in white, which (I think) is
because of the "white=purity" idea (which they must have formed
before they met Europeans, and somehow stuck with afterwards).

On the other hand, it's an eminently avoidable word, and if it
rubs people the wrong way, there are other words available.

Vaguely related example: "niggardly" has nothing to do with race
(it comes, I believe from an Old English/Scandinavian root
meaning "stingy"), but I don't blame people for disliking the
word; I use "stingy" or "miserly" myself.

ObDisclaimer: All of the above IMHO.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:51:30 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
   >>>I don't know, would Nair work? (And, tangentally, would Nair work
   >>>in more... delicate places?)
shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer) writes:
  >>The Nair euphemism is "bikini line" and yes, it does work there, or so
  >>says a friend of mine who has used it.  I'd keep it off mucous
  >>membranes, though.
(John Dorrance) writes:
>Darn, and I find the 'European' look in nasal passages *so* passe'...


Tweezers, sweetheart.

Mara [wincing]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: About Walter
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 13:18:32 GMT

I don't usually post things for people, since officially
it's not allowed, but I got such a good request I can't
resist.  I'm not sure Walter is still with us (I'm won't
weep, believe me, if he's gone), but still this seems worth
passing along.

----begin forwared posting----

Smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes: 
                                                                 
> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>> By which you mean *you've* never been fired (or beaten) for being
>> gay, so you have trouble imagining that anyone else has.
                                                                    
>> Or am I misjudging you?

> By which I mean that I've never worked at a place where I, or
> anyone I know, or heard of, got fired for being gay.  (I do
> know that it happens in some places, I dont think it is
> prevalent like some are making it sound)  I've never seen
> anyone beaten for being gay, although i've occasionally
> seen it in the news.  I don;t think gay-bashing is a majority 
> sport, that is what I'm saying. 

Walter, have you ever witnessed a murder?  ...seen a plane
crash?  ...observed someone having a heart attack?
...witnessed a rape?  ...been involved in a car-jacking?
Are these phenomena prevalent and disturbing nonetheless?
Enough said.

Your heart may be in the right place (I can only hope), but
please think about what you are writing before you post.  In
place of "gay" or "homosexual" or "homophobic" substitute
some neutral word and see if your question or comment still
seems reasonable to you.  Just a suggestion.  (For example,
"I've never worked at a place where I, or anyone I know, or
heard of, got [raped]....I don't think [rape] is a majority
sport, that is what I'm saying.")

-maria lasaga

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:51:41 GMT

As an aside, wouldn't 'wriggling whelp' make a wonderful term
of endearment?

--
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      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: numbers
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:13:28 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Piglet [shameless grammar snob] 
(eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com) wrote:
 
> "Media" is a collective noun, which may be referenced in the
> singular _or_ the plural, depending on context...

Would that be:

	"Give the medium her due"; or,

	"Give the medium their due"; or,

	"Give the media their due"; or,

	"Give the media his due"?

[I'm not quite sure about the context....]

--jns
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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Colorado #2, Constitutionality
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 09:10:23 GMT

d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
| 
| The U.S. congress could strike the ammendment down.

Only in a loose manner of speaking. The U.S. Congress
could for example pass legislation which outlawed
discrimination in employment and housing on the basis
of sexual orientation, and this law would supercede
the Colorado state constitution. However, Congress does
*not* have the authority to amend (or "un-amend") a
state constitution per se.

-- 
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Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:27:23 GMT

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) wrote: 
->Well, last night was the office Christmas party.  I've only been at this
->job for about two months (the probationary period is three months)

the length of the probationary period doesn't matter; if they're going
to fire you for being queer then they're going to sack you ... 

->....  I'm getting ready to go to work and I'll be the first to
->admit I'm a bit nervous.  Any ideas, history or suggestions about being
->out at work in a _very_ small (9 employees) company (which does have an
->anti-discrimination policy)?  Thanks in advance for the support.

yeah; just do what you need to do.  act like the homo you are, and
everyone who's going to like you will probably still like you, and
those who don't will probably still call you a homo.

seriously.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: LOOKIN' FOR NYC QUEERS...
Date: 1 Jan 1993 17:59:40 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

Since NYC is on the North East coast, why not try to ne-social-motss
mailing list?

To post:  ne-social-motss%plts.uucp@warren.mentorg.com
To subscribe:  ne-social-motss-request%plts.uucp@warren.mentorg.com

Tom
-- 
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Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu (Inquiring Mind)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GALLO found *GUILTY* of scientific misconduct
Date: 3 Jan 1993 11:30 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu

In article <9301030021.AA21205@localhost>, buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes...
| 
|	WASHINGTON -- The U.S. scientist credited with discovering the AIDS
|virus and a colleague committed scientific misconduct by publishing
|false and misleading statements in scientific papers describing their
|groundbreaking work, a government investigation released Wednesday
|charged.

	What was the basic gist of the false and misleading statements
that Dr Gallo published?

Inquiring Mind
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From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:34:02 GMT

In article <C0AJ1o.L5F@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.074226.14408@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan1.162802.19162@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>>Perhaps when the daffodils are in bloom.  Hm, mayhap
>>Jess, I hate to tell you this, but the daffodils are *already* in bloom at
>>our house.
>Not to mention at Harry Ugol's...

ouch.

or is that "in bloomers" ? :-)

-- 
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From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:45:55 GMT

In article <BzoHqz.D66@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright) writes:
> In article <18217@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> ....
> >me. I was deeply closeted at the time, having just come from Providence R.I.
> ....
> 
> Does coming from Providence RI make one deeply closeted?  I have gay friends
> there who are not closeted.

During the period of time ( early 70's) and in my particular circumstances
I was so deeply closeted that I was not being honest with myself about
my sexual orientation. I was also in a conventional marriage.

I wasn't particularly trying to tie the two factors together for anyone but
myself.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
From: ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:38:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.003938.2207@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu> 
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>>found Usenet, or later?
>
>Since getting to college, a good number of my friends have been computer-
>nerdish. JI kept mentioning things he'd read on 'sock.motts' (that's how 
>he pronounces it). 

Must be my greek accent... :-) 

I found soc.motss in the summer of 85, back when it was net.motss. It
was the week after I had arrived in the US; I was at a pre-academic
orientation program, and someone showed me how to access NetNoise
(well, he only showed me how to read net.ibm-pc or something like that
-- I found the rest on my own). Of course, I was so far inside the
closet, (and also ignorant of american culture (I know, I know, a
contradiction in terms, cut me some slack!)) that I found most of the
discussions entirely too intimidating. I didn't really start reading
soc.motss on a regular basis until the Fall of 89 or thereabouts, and
my demuffining post was when I posted the X cursor bitmaps for the
pink-triangle cursors. These days I'm lucky if I have *time* to read
the stuff, thesis and all...

/ji

                                ______ 
 "Intellectuals trying to       \    /  ji@cs.columbia.edu  
  out-intellectual other         \  /   B5 f+ w++ cd g+(+) k+? sv r- p+
  intellectuals" (Fritz the Cat)  \/       ... It's all greek to me!
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:34:24 GMT

In article <mattm-221292104543@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.172912.2724@tc.cornell.edu>,
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) wrote:
>
>> 
>> And how do you think she arrived at her conclusions?  Andrea
>> Dworkin writes that all heterosexual sex is rape...
>
>> ...reading Dworkin could lead more men to the "Aha!" experience.
>
>Pseudo-intellectoid crap.  

"Pseudo-intellectoid"? You mean Ms. Shore (or Ms. Dworkin; it's
unclear) isn't really an "intellectoid", she's only pretending to
be one?

I can't form an opinion on that until I find out just what you
mean by "intellectoid".
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Minor Crises was(long-term relationships)
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:19:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec30.201935.20712
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <30DEC92.15333577@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>>>>I guess this means you haven't reached the "What?  You
>>>>want to have sex again?  I'm too tired.  Didn't we just do
>>>>it last month?" phase yet.
>> 
>>In my ten grand affairs, lasting an average of 3.5 years
>>each, the longest 10.5 years, I never once ran into this
>>apparently common business of getting tired of one another
>>as sexual partners.  

I think you're both unusual and lucky.

>Oh, Jess.  I was just being silly.  I really like using this line on
>couples who are just getting started, or who only have a couple of 
>years under their belts.  It scares them, not as much as being non-
>monogamous does (which can be a fact), but it is interesting to see 
>their reactions nonetheless.  "We have *that* to look forward to?"
>All in fun.

It's "fun" because there's an element of truth to it, though it can
have all sorts of manifestations, and not everyone experiences it to
the same degree.  In fact, it's not even all that rare between
heterosexual couples (no!) either.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Attention Marky Markophiles
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:44:40 GMT

For those of you into the hairless wonder, the Dec. 29 Village Voice
has a Guy Trebay column about the ubiquitous Marky Mark and the "queer
imagery" of the Calvin Klein ads all over New York. Pretty good stuff.
Page 18.
 
Tracey
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: RHe said/She said and look what happened!
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:02:21 GMT


In article <1992Dec21.152843.225@gems.vcu.edu>, kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:
|> I get the sense that Greg has frequented  many
|> a backroom

!

|>[are you still wearing that
|> Italian horn as a necklace, Greg? 8-)].

Uh huh, and I now know why people look at it
twice.....

-- 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:43:41 GMT

In article <mattm-221292104543@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>(of course, feminism has *nothing* to do with men, so I suppose
>the reaction of men is of no concern. but perhaps, some day,
>all these barking bimbos will realize that if *everything* men
>do is wrong, then *nothing* they do is wrong, and we can get 
>back to a more relaxed interaction between the sexes.

The closest you can apparently get to being a real anything
is a real swine.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: UPDATE 1 - Soc.motss Reorganization - Proposal Collection/Voting Procedure
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:45:08 GMT

BTW, should I just ditch the colors/fabrics idea? I've only gotten
1 1/2 votes so far... so if you want to vote, please do so (complete
listing under 'Call for Votes' on soc.motss).

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Brooklyn Bishop Lays an Egg
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:42:06 GMT

> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

>>Is it too much to hope that Daily and his egregious boss,
>>Cardinal O'Connor, would ever deign to speak with and learn
>>from their Episcopalian brother across the Hudson, John
>>Spong, Bishop of Newark, who could startle them with some
>>new-fangled, 20th Century notions about human sexuality...
>
>Definitely too much to hope for... Daily and O'Connor would *never*
>speak to *any*one who was even remotely associated with people who
>would actually bless animals on St. Francis's Day, or support 
>environmentalists, or put the community ahead of finishing their 
>cathedral... St. John the Unfinished *is* Episcopalian, you know, and
>I can't imagine Daily or O'Connor tainting themselves by even considering
>an idea associated with it...

So you're telling me that those two divines are strictly
lower-case? :-)

>-jenneke
>
>   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy

For one delicious moment, I thought this was a mnemonic
to help me remember my sharps and flats.  I guess I'll
have to stick with Father Charles Goes Down And Ends
Battle (Battle Ends And Down Goes Charles' Father)...
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:18:23 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <72681@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Brent Davies writes:
>>Think about this. What's the difference between these two sentences:
>>
>>"I'm from the city."
>>"I'm from the City."
>>
>>In the second example, don't you immediately think of one and *only* one
>>place that could possibly be being referred to?
>>
>>And at the risk of causing an international brawl, might I ask (out of
>>curiosity) what that place is?

>San Francisco, of course.

Not in the South, nor the Appalachian mountain region.

"City", whether capitalized or not, is where "THEY'RE" from.  You know,
anyone new you've never before encountered (be it a different ethnic
group, religion, whatever), but who has insisted on moving to _your_
town.

Alternatively, "the city" is any megalopolis large enough to have and
support more than 1 store from the following list (or more than 1 location
of any one):  Wal-Mart, Ben Franklin, Dollar General, Western Auto,
K-Mart, Ace Hardware, Lowe's.  This is, of course, as opposed to "here",
which may have none or only one of the above -- which naturally means 
that you have to go to "the city" to purchase anything household-y.

"The Big City" is any "city" where folks "dough-ent tawk lak uss", and
probably requires a passport for entry.

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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:55:30 GMT

In article <leslie.725083347@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, leslie@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Leslie Farnell) writes:
> This was a
> lead-in to performing the Queen of the Night's aria as a tuba solo in the
> show. (Well what else could I do?)
> 
> I guess this counts as coming out to the 80 or so people who don't work in
> my group.

I know I've ruthlessly deleted context, but I couldn't help reading
this as implying that anyone who would play the Queen of the Night's
area on the tuba in public must be gay.

Which, come to think of it, is a perfectly reasonable proposition.
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