HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Mass Transit vs. Private Cars Re: Question about
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: sci.econ

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
|bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
|> I plan to vote libertarian in the upcoming election (due to the clear 
|> lack of any acceptable alternative), but I find myself wrestling with
|> some of what I perceive, perhaps erroneously, to be `good things' for
|> society that the Libertarians appear to be against.
|> 
|> The first that is obvious to me is government subsidized mass transit.
|				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|	That's probably the biggest sticking point.  Why waste money on
|inefficient operators?
|	On the other hand, if mass transit is "a good thing" then enough
|individuals and businesses should be willing to participate in the funding,
|building, and operating of a mass transit system.

But isn't it also true that mass transit's main competitor, private
cars, is also heavily subsidized (roads, traffic cops, paramedics to
clean up after accidents, externalities like pollution)?  Fair
competition would require that the subsidies for both mass transit
and private cars be removed.

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This message comes with no warranty, not even an implied warranty of
fitness for any particular purpose.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Subject: Re: Economics publications
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:20:27 GMT

One publication, though quite specific in its target readership, is CHOICES.
This is a publication of the American Agricultural Economics Association. A lotof current issues are discussed (eg. GATT, specially the negotiations possible
effects on U.S. farm production and international trade position; topics on
natural resources; policy issues). The publication is devoid of mathematical   jargon (except the occasional contribution: eg. "Why Farmers Solve Equations?" by Richard Levins from the University of Minnesota, 1988).

J.K. Estrada
Dept. of Ag.Economics/Geographic Information Systems
Mississippi State University
jke2@ra.msstate.edu

--
Jojo Estrada
Department of Agricultural Economics
Mississippi State University
jke2@Ra.MsState.edu
From: euectk@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Thomas Krichel)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: On-line Statistics Server?
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of Keele

larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>
>Is there a server out on the Internet somewhere which has
>on-line records of pertinent economic statistics like GNP,
>CPI, interest rates, and unemployment?
>

  Try "telnet una.hh.lib.umich.edu" and login as "gopher"


  ______                               
    /   /                              Department of Economics
   /   /_  ________  __.  _            University of Keele
  /   / /_(_) / / <_(_/|_/_)           ST5 5BG                         
    _   ,                  _           Great Britain          
   ' ) /           /      //           Tel.: 44 - 782 - 583091  
    /-<  __  o _. /_  _  //            Fax:  44 - 782 - 717577
  ./   )/ (_<_(__/ /_</_</_            E-mail: Krichel@uts.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Subject: On-line Statistics Server?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:45:53 GMT


Is there a server out on the Internet somewhere which has
on-line records of pertinent economic statistics like GNP,
CPI, interest rates, and unemployment?


Larry
From: jmo@stokes.princeton.edu (Mike Orszag)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Free movement of labour/labor
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:26:47 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Sep9.181135.11977@vms.eurokom.ie>, ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
|> Has anybody come across any free-market economist who opposes free
|> movement of labour internationally (e.g. from very poor to very rich
|> countries)? I'd be interested to know if any such arguments exist,
|> since it seems as logically simple as 2+2=4 to show that support for
|> abolishing any controls on "economic migrants" follows from a belief
|> in free markets. 

Are you sure? If there were no distortions in the world, possibly,
but I don't understand how one can make any such assertion when
there are other distortions even if one believes strongly in
free markets. Even with no distortions in the world, consider
workers who would be made worse off and displaced by the influx
of new workers; in the language of the free market economist,
this is not Pareto optimal unless lump sum payments can be
devised to compensate workers for their losses; to make an
argument work, you must prove that such a scheme is feasible
theoretically. To summarize, it would be perfectly consistent
with the viewpoint of a free market economist to support controls
on economic migrants.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Subject: Re: Tobacco subsidies (Was:
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:28:24 GMT

wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:

>Newsgroups: sci.econ
>Subject: Re: Cable TV Consumer Protection Act of 1992
>Summary: 
>Expires: 
>References: <1992Sep12.210559.18395@tfs.com> <1992Sep13.084637.7835@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
>Sender: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.
>Keywords: 

>In article <1992Sep12.210559.18395@tfs.com| eric@tfs.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>|In article <71IG03C481So00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>



I agree with Bruce. Agricultural policy covering tobacco may be characterized as a form of acreage control or allotment. The last Farm Bills (1985 & 1990) have modified these provisions but generally, for a farmer to plant tobacco he has topurchase the "right" to plant this crop. He could buy this "right" from a previous owner (say 10 acres) in one county and then once the farmer has that right, he could plant 10 acres of tobacco on his farm. Under the new provisions, if I am not mistaken, the farmer could


 still purchase that right or allotment but he could not physically move the planting of tobacco from the sight which was originally granted that allotment.

Therefore, the ones who gain from tobacco subsidies are not farmers but the original owners of the land where the allotment has been granted.

Jojo Estrada
                      
     
 
--
Jojo Estrada
Department of Agricultural Economics
Mississippi State University
jke2@Ra.MsState.edu
Newsgroups: u3b.misc,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions
From: mbg@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (mitchell.b.germansky)
Subject: ---<<< Wollongong 3B2 TCP select() bug?? >>>---
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:27:34 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Wollongong WIN TCP/IP select() ShareBase IDM Britton-Lee Teradata NCR

my project has encountered what seems to be a problem in wollongong's
tcp/ip on a 3b2.  if you have any experience in resolving this,
please get in touch with me.

we have a 3b2 connected over ethernet to a sharebase database
machine (aka britton-lee idm, teradata, ncr).  we are using
Wollongong Integrated Networking WIN/3B: Release 3.2A on 3b2
unix 3.2.3

we have noticed a predictable 2 second delay every 20 database
transactions.  examining the process stack trace during this 2
second interval revealed that the process was asleep in a tcp/ip
library select() call.  we believe that this problem is really
independent of the database and will write some tcp code to attempt
to reproduce the select() delay.  the sharebase performance is
constant even for the transaction that blocks for the 2 seconds.

we have heard rumors that other people have had similar problems.
we are wondering if there are any workarounds or perhaps even a
patch available.

if you have any suggestions, please contact me via email or phone.
thx!!

--
Mitch Germansky                           908-805-7841
att!suntoss!mbg  mbg@suntoss.utoss.290davidson.att.com
Xref: sparky u3b.misc:31 comp.sys.att:2151
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: u3b.misc,comp.sys.att
Subject: What's a preferred backup device for 3B2/310?
Keywords: cheap
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 22:29:58 EDT
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

I have been fortunate(?) in acquiring two /310's.  I'd like to
move an application which is presently running on a pc xt clone,
where I have a 40meg tape backup unit.

I am extremely uninformed on what hardware can be attached to
the 3B2/310, but I really don't want to have to rely on diskettes
for backup - unattended tape has me spoiled.

Also, of course, this is a personla machine, so budget is a consideration.

Is there an inexpensive backup device that can be attached to
the 3B2/310?  Is there a tape drive that can run off the floppy
controller a la IBM-PC stuff?

Eamiled replies will be summarized to the net.  Thanks in advance.

--
UUCP: {uunet|backbone}!railnet!rad   rad@railnet.nshore.org
CompuServe: 72517.666@compuserve.COM
Xref: sparky fnet.general:105 soc.culture.french:6618 sci.lang:7061 soc.culture.portuguese:1610 soc.culture.esperanto:1687
From: pfeiffer@cict.fr (Daniel Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: fnet.general,soc.culture.french,sci.lang,soc.culture.portuguese,soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Vocabulaire nouveau en occitan / New vocabulary in Occitanian
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:55:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.french,sci.lang
Organization: Instituto de Reser^cado pri Informadiko de Tuluzo (IRIT)
	      Universitato Paul Sabatier
X-Accent-Convention: ^c ^u
Reply-Languages: Esperanto, Deutsch, Francais, English

La Depeche du Midi ecrivais		The Depeche du Midi newspaper
recemment:				wrote recently:
> Los mots nove`ls en occitan

> Un trentenat de linguistas reu"nits sus aquel proble`ma a Tolosa los
> 15 e 16 de julhet s'acorde`ron sus un te`xte explicitant los
> <<principis e crite`ris per la formacion de neologismes en occitan>>.
> L'acamp desemboque`t sus la constitucion de sie`is colas de trabalh
> (micro-informatica, ensenhament, actualitat, esports, morfologia) que
> remetra`n lor raport dins un an.

Apres le declin dramatique de		After two decades of dramatic
l'occitan ces deux dernieres		decline of Occitanian (a recent poll
decennies (selon un sondage en		in the region of Languedoc-
Languedoc-Roussillon (hors Catalans)	Roussillon (Catalonians excepted)
seulement un sur deux comprend et un	revealed that only one in two
sur trois sait parler sa langue, et	understood and one in three spoke
ce score parait bon a cote de celui	his own language, a score that would
que doivent obtenir les metropoles	sound good compared to that of the
Marseille, Toulouse ou Bordeaux) il	cities of Marseille, Toulouse or
est fondamental de ne pas rater		Bordeaux) it is imperative not to
l'evolution du vocabulaire si la	miss out on new vocabulary, if the
langue doit avoir un espoir de		language is to have a chance of
survie.					survival.

On pourrait aider les linguists en	Maybe we might help the linguists in
discutant quelques propositions par	their work by discussing some
les news comme cela se fait souvent	proposals by news as this often
dans le groupe d'esperanto.  Dans	occurs in the Esperanto group.  Here
les deux cas il y a le probleme de	as there we have the problem that
transcrire les mots etrangers afin	spelling of foreign words must be
de maintenir une ecriture simple et	transliterated to keep it simple and
phonetique.  Une comparaison avec	phonetic.  Comparison with other
d'autres langues serait aise dans	languages is easy in these inter-
ces forum internationaux,		national forums, especially
specialement avec le portugais qui	Portuguese might be helpful since
semble avoir une ecriture similaire.	the spelling looks somewhat similar.

Peut-etre quelqu'un pourrait-il se	Maybe someone might get his hands
procurer le document sus-mentionne	on the above-mentioned text and
et le diffuser ici?			make it available here?
Newsgroups: fnet.test
From: arttu@tahma.cs.hut.fi (Arttu Laine)
Subject: comme ca...
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: fnet
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:13:02 GMT


Test, un, deux, trois
123  , oops  (c) Lotus Inc.

Arttu Laine, arttu@cs.hut.fi, Helsinki University of Tech, dept of CS, Finland

--
Quand l'int'er`et du pays se confond avec mon int'er`et, 
Je d'efends l'int'er`et du pays. 	/nudge?
Xref: sparky fnet.ia:2 comp.ai:3444 comp.ai.edu:414
From: ruffin@corto.inria.fr (Michel Ruffin)
Newsgroups: fnet.seminaires
Subject: M. Ruffin, Kitlog un service de journalisation generique (these)
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:09:47 GMT
Distribution: fnet
Organization: INRIA, Le Chesnay - France
Jour: 14/09/92
Lieu: Jussieu


J'ai le plaisir de vous annoncer la date de la soutenance de ma the`se
ainsi que du pot qui suivra.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Titre : Kitlog : Un Service de Journalisation Generique
Title : Kitlog: a Generic Logging tool

Lieux/Place: Universite' Pierre et Marie Curie - Paris VI,
             4 place Jussieu, Paris, (Metro Jussieu)
             Tour 55/65, 3ieme e'tage, salle 303.
Date :       Lundi 14 septembre a` 14h30
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			Re'sume'

   De nombreuses applications utilisent un journal pour stocker des
e'tats, soit pour refaire des actions passe'es, soit pour corriger les
effets de pannes, d'erreurs ou de pertes de cohe'rence dues au
paralle'lisme. Un service ge'ne'rique de journalisation doit s'adapter
aux besoins variables, voire antagonistes, des applications, sans
imposer un surcou^t aux applications qui n'utilisent pas toutes ses
fonctions.

   Kitlog fournit une solution originale a` ce proble`me en
de'composant et en encapsulant les diffe'rentes fonctions de la
journalisation. Cinq principaux me'canismes sont distingue's\,: la
politique de gestion des tampons, la distribution d'enregistrements,
leur re'plication, le partage du journal, et la gestion des ressources
physiques. Chaque me'canisme est repre'sente' par une classe d'objets.
Pour chaque classe, diffe'rentes re'alisations peuvent e^tre fournies.
Les instances de ces classes sont composables dans n'importe quel
ordre approprie' et en n'importe quel nombre. Un programmeur
d'applications adapte son journal logique a` un ensemble d'hypothe`ses
de pannes, en choisissant les classes ade'quates, en les instanciant,
et en inter-connectant les instances.

Mots-cle's : Journalisation, service ge'ne'rique, composition
d'objets, Kitlog.


			Abstract

   Many applications use a log to store state, either to ``redo'' past
actions, or to correct possible faults, errors or loss of consistency.
A generic logging service should cater to the variable and even
antagonistic needs of applications, without imposing overhead on
applications which do not use all its functions.

   Kitlog provides an original solution to this problem by decomposing
and encapsulating logging functions. Five main mechanisms are
distinguished: buffering policy, distribution of records, replication
of records, log sharing, and management of physical media. Each
mechanism is embodied in an object class. For each class, multiple
policy implementations can be provided.  Instances of these classes
are stackable in any appropriate number or order. An application
programmer customizes his logical log to a set of failure assumptions
by selecting adequate classes, instantiating them, and connecting the
instances together.

Keywords Logging, generic service, object composition, Kitlog.
Newsgroups: lou.sun
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: IP working again (was Re: some mail/news delays)
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 15:57:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.040452.8485@xenitec.on.ca> eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:
>The hardware problems previously mentioned persist.  [...]

Some new hardware plus some hdw re-arrangement appears to
have resulting in a working POP in KW once again.  This
actually happened about midnight Thu; it appears to be
stable.  News and mail started flowing through this link
at that time.  The mail backlog is now cleared out, and
we're working on getting news up to date.

		--ed
Newsgroups: kw.uucp,uw.general,kw.general,can.usrgroup,ont.general,can.general
From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: KW Unix User's Group Sept Meeting
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:03:17 GMT


The next meeting of the KW Unix User's Group will be held at 19:00 on 
Wed, September 16 in Davis Center 1302 at the University of Waterloo.

			---------------
			**THE** Agenda:
			---------------

1) Sign-in.

2) Introductions (you know -- name, rank, and serial number)

3) Presentation: Tim Tyhurst (tim@dogmead.uucp) will be making the 
   second of a two-part introductory overview of the X windowing system. 
   (Part 1 was made at the August meeting.)

	Part 2: Programming X Window Applications
	-----------------------------------------	
	- description of the programming interface:  how Xlib, the X 
	  Intrinsics, and Motif work together
	- strengths and weaknesses in the programming model
	- a "hello world" Motif program.

   No prior experience using X or working with X/Motif is assumed, 
   although familiarity with the C programming language is assumed.

5) Question Period: Tim will answer questions from the audience on his 
   presentation.

6) Open question period: Other comments, questions, etc. will be addressed
   at this time. Topics may include:

	Further discussion on domain parks 
	KW public access Unix
	Internetworking possibilities?
	A Christmas Social in lieu of the December 16th meeting?
	Any audience questions 

7) Adjourn to a nearby eating establishment for food and discussion.

 --------------------
| About the speaker: | Tim Tyhurst is currently completing a Masters degree 
 --------------------  in Computer Science at UW doing research in user 
interfaces and visualization for symbolic computation systems. His past 
experience include 7 years work locally designing and programming a variety 
of software systems for the Unix and MS-DOS environments, 2.5 years 
experience using X; and 1 year of experience programming X.

COMING NEXT MONTH: Sean Goggin made such a good impromptu lecture on the 
vagarities of internetworking (IP, PPP, POP, and other assorted TLAs) at 
the August meeting that he was appointed to give a more detailed presentation
at the October meeting. 

See you at the meeting!

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Tim Kuehn | TDK Consulting |(519)-888-0766| 				|
| <><       | Services       | timk@tdkcs.uucp timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca|
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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Total traffic through uunet for the last 2 weeks
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:49:17 GMT

In article <BuAKGu.6vD@uunet.uu.net> newsstats@uunet.UU.NET writes:
>Only categories receiving an average of 1 article per day are listed.
>
>				  Article		  Total
>	Category	Count	  Mbytes	Percent	  Mbytes
>	alt               43239	135.432451	30.3%	158.623177
>	comp              51573	101.723033	22.8%	127.765800

>	xenitec              14	  0.023765	 0.0%	  0.030823
>	wynnds               14	  0.017214	 0.0%	  0.024419
>	tdkcs                14	  0.017214	 0.0%	  0.024419

You know it's been a slow 2 weeks on the net when you're *.news.stats 
groups makes the UUNET lists! :-)

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Tim Kuehn | TDK Consulting |(519)-888-0766| 				|
| <><       | Services       | timk@tdkcs.uucp timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca|
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From: dso@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Darryl O'Neill)
Newsgroups: kw.housing,uw.general
Subject: housing
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:13:23 GMT
Distribution: kw
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

Looking for a roommate to share a two bedroom townhouse in Beaver Creek
Housing Cooperative starting November 1.  Cooperative housing are 
non-profit organizations to provide affordable housing in a community 
environment.  

In order to reduce housing charges, the management and maintenance of
the coop is done by its members.  So if you are interested you will have
to do some work (a few hours/month) helping out on a committee (finance,
maintenance etc).  You also must be accepted as a member.  This is a
process that attempts to weed out people who are not likely to do anything.

Anyone interested should be a non-smoker and be willing to take the place
for at least 1 year (no sub-lets).

The rent to be shared is $602 plus utilities.

Please send replies by email to Darryl.S.ONeill@Waterloo.NCR.COM 
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Darryl O'Neill
E & M Waterloo, NCR Canada Ltd.,     
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA           dso@53iss6.waterloo.ncr.com 
Newsgroups: kw.housing,uw.general
From: ravi@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Ravichandran (Sunmoon))
Subject: Three bedroom apt wanted
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:11:09 GMT




  A friend of mine is looking for a 3 bedroom appartment in waterloo area.

Please send replies by email to me or call Kamal at 746 2106.

Thanks

Ravi
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: jclindse@watstat.uwaterloo.ca (Jane C. Lindsey)
Subject: Townhouse for rent
Originator: jclindse@watstat.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: uw
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:47:26 GMT


********************* For Rent ********************

Two bedroom townhouse on Bluevale St. N.
	
	- 2 bedrooms, living room, eat-in kitchen, 1 bathroom
	- unfinished basement with hook-up for washer and dryer
	- gas furnace (cheap to heat)
	- pets allowed
	- close to #9 bus
	- available Oct. 1
	- rent was $695/month

Contact Bob Reitzel at 648-2237 or 658-3990 for details.
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: sploke@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (;-})
Subject: Room for rent
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:50:53 GMT




1 bedroom in a very nice condominium available. ( only for fall term )

Price:
	$350+util per month ( not including phone and cable )


details: 
         large master bedroom 
         -- furnished ( desk , double bed , ....... )
         -- with private bathroom 
         -- tv cable ( you need to pay for the cable )       
         -- private phone line
	
	 this place has
         -- large and clean kitchen
         -- nice dining room 
         -- washer and dryer
         -- microwave oven 
         -- lots of other electric appliances.(eg. dishwasher.....)
         -- indoor parking space 
         -- quiet roomate ( me!!! )
        
         close to UW ( about 10 min walk )
         -- opposite of Mr groocer
         -- opposite of Westmount shopping place
         -- on bus route

         building has 
         -- game room with pool table
         -- spa with whirpool and sauna
         -- exercise room with exercise bikes
          
However, anyone interested MUST be :
	-- quiet 
	-- play no loud music ( as this is not allowed in this building ... )
	-- non smoker
	-- no partying in this place
	-- preferbly very few visitors during the term 
	-- no "heavy-duty" cooking :-)
           ( this place is very very clean .... )
	
If anyone is interested, send me email.
email address:	sploke@descartes

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: lzhang@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Louxin Zhang)
Subject: Room wanted
Originator: root@neumann.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:29:37 GMT

    A visiting professor from China is looking for a
room from Sept.10 to Oct. 10.

   If you want to share with him, please send me
a e-mail to

    lzhang@neumann.waterloo.edu
 
   or call (519)747-5308 or 885-1211 ext 3495


  Thanks.



  Louxin ZHang 
  Dept. of CS
  U. of Waterloo
Newsgroups: kw.housing