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From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Keywords: Peace
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:12:34 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1992Sep7.195415.14012@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>>	The '49ers are better, but they simply aren't such an awesome team that
>>I would measure the Bills prospects by how well they play against the '49ers.
>>I expect the Bills to beat the '49ers, but not by that much.
>>
>>Snoopy
>
>Whoa, time out.  Would not measure the Bills by how they play against
>the 49ers?  Granted they have slipped since the late 80's but not by that
>much.  I think sunday you will see how far the bills still have to go
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>to match up with one of the better NFC teams.  Have you forgatten
>already what the Skins did in the Super Bowl?

Why are 49ers fans *SO* humble? Even if the Bills win on Sunday this
kind of Red & Gold plated humility will make them the NFL favorites!
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From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:34:18 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Sep7.144415.25916@hellgate.utah.edu>  (Tom Wolf) writes:
>In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu>  (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
>>
>>	is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!

Handley has been saying all during preseason, that the "new look" Giants would
arrive on Sept 6th.

Did I miss something? Sure looked like the same "confused" team to me.

>>	How the [f**k] could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
>>goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) 
>>end up in this sort of fucking mess .............

IMO, the talent (and even a lot of the players) are the same as 1990. Back
then, they were an above-average team that played mistake-free football and got
lucky breaks. 1992 is a team that looks lost.

>Then he [Haley] was called
>for having too much fun after sacking Simms and gave up a 15 yard penalty.

It's called "taunting" and will get 15 every time.

>
>...and the giants looked old and slow.
>...against the vaunted Giants defense?

Gee, Tom. Make up your mind.
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From: haverdin@cs.iastate.edu (Mike Haverdink)
Subject: Christian Okoye & Robert Clark
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:24:48 GMT

Has anyone heard anything about the Chiefs trading Okoye (possible to the
Rams or Colts)?  I heard this rumor and was wondering if there was any truth
to it.

Also, what do the Dolphins think of Robert Clark?  He's on my fantasy team,
and I'm hoping that he will see a lot of playing time, especially since
Clayton is out for awhile.  Is he better than Duper?

Pro football news is scarce in Iowa.

--Mike (Go Bengal DEFENSE!!!)

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From: tap1040@summa.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:14:00 GMT

In article <6143@npri6.npri.com>, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes...
deletions...
>now, i'm sure half of the r.s.f.p. readers are ready to flame me
>for criticizing these buffoons when i myself do not always capitalize.
>however, _i_ am not a professional announcer/colorman getting paid big bucks,
>nor do i make up polysyllabic words to impress the fans, who (if they're
>anything like me) are completely irritated by everything i say.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^

>which one of them said about irving's one-handed catch, "get back, jack!"?
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>uggh.  phony emotions, content-free remarks, minimal replays . . .
>ABC has got to be the worst football broadcaster.
> 
>dpm

What irritates me is when someone refers to Irvin as "irving", and anyway
it was ALVIN HARPER who made that supendously fastastical one-handed catch!

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                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:03:49 GMT


Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City) writes:

>During the 9ers/NYG game, I believe there were 2 taunting calls. 15yard
>loss.  (how are you supposed to be psyched up as a defense and 
>suppress yourself at the same time)

  Did you watch pro football about 20 years ago?  The players back then
  were able to make great plays and "surpress" themselves just fine.
  A normal handshake or hug (manly of course :-) was usually enough.

  They let their playing do the talking and didn't feel the need to be
  demonstrative (at least no where near the level of today's players).
  I think the players had a lot more respect for each other back then, too.

  Gee, I wonder what has changed?
  
>Is this the same as "unsportsman-like conduct"? Can someone clarify the 
>taunting thing for me.

  Standing over a guy (Harris over Simms in this case) and shaking your
  hands and making gestures is definitely taunting.  What else could it be?

>Are they paying special attention to this topic this season?
>I didnt watch any other games, and was wondering if this was something 
>that is getting more attention this season.
>Adriene L. Nazaretian        

  Apparently they are going to pay more attention to stuff like that, as
  well as the helmet shots and unnecessary roughness calls.  With players
  dropping like flies with increasingly serious injuries, it's probably a
  good idea to take some measures.  I for one enjoy seeing ALL the players
  contribute to a team.  To answer John Gloria's question about whether
  anyone else wishes an injury to an opposing team's player: I don't.

  Would you want a rival programmers' monitor to blow up in his/her face
  if they were writing better code than you?  :-)

  ...Paul


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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49er fans eat(?) crow
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:27:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep14.142707.17586@bmw.mayo.edu> Kall@Mayo.EDU writes:

>In article mzimmers@netcom.com, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>
>> .....[deleted].....
>>
>>Now then, some puerile ranting:
>[...]

>Get a life!.  The 49ers lost and the Bills won (today). Eat your
>crow and stop dreaming (ranting) about what didn't happen!!!
>Whatifs dont win games!  

Who is this jerk?  I write a few reasonable paragraphs (that were
probably above his ability to comprehend), then have a little "what-if"
fun, PREFACED by the above disclaimer, and he still tries to dump on
me!

Are all Bills fans like this bozo?

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Aha!  A clue...



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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Keywords: Niners Bills
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:56 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep11.162012.24024@lclark.edu> greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco) writes:
>John beat me to this post.  I can't wait to hear from some knowledgeable
>Bills fan (or any other wannabe who dislikes the success of others) about how
>"Vegas odds don't win football games" or "Vegas oddsmakers must be Niner
>fans."

I'm not a Bills fan, but as has been pointed out on this net before, Vegas
odds are in no way intended to indicate who "they" think will win the game.
Their intent is to generate the most betting action(and the most money
for their casino) possible on a given game. 

The spread is set with that in mind.




Russ Smith
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From: tap1040@summa.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Haley back to form?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:48:00 GMT

In article <5197@gold.gvg.tek.com>, johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes...
>Maybe the honeymoon is over for Charles Haley in Dallas.
>It was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle that
>Haley walked up to Troy Aikman in the Cowboy's locker-
>room and told him that he "couldn't carry Joe Montana's
>jock strap".
> 
>Ah yes, vintage Charles.
> 
>John Abt

And if you believe that, I've got a piece of paper sitting right here that
says Seiffert told both Steve Young and Steve Bono that they couldn't
carry Troy Aikman's used toilet paper.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Finally an Impressive AFC-win
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:07:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20306
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

The Bills have turned the tables on the heavily favored 49-ers

and beat them 34-31 at Candle-Stick. This should serve as a

catalyst for other AFC teams to have some hopes for the

Super-Bowl.


S.H
Go Vikes
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From: Ed Davis <abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Best D
Organization: nasa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:47:37 GMT

In another thread, J. Gische explains that the Bills defense, although
rated 27th out of 28, is not that bad since their offense is a quick
score offense and doesn't spend that much time on the field.  No matter
how much time is spent on the field by the Defense, 27 out of 28 is not
good.

By contrast, Philly's Defense spent most of their games on the field
while their offense spent much of the season running three plays for
negative yardage and then punting.  Philly went 10-6 completely on their
defense.  Their offense, under the quarterbacking of Pat "Lets bring in
this ex-Jet stiff because he supposedly knows our offensive system." Ryan
or Brad "Anne of Green" Goebel was to say the least poor.  Philly's D
spent most of their time on the field and still led the league in the
three major defensive categories.

'nuff said.
Spankin'  Ed                                  "Show me a good loser
                                                   and I'll show you an
Idiot"
                                                             Leo Durocher

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From: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Subject: Re: Mo. Carthon
Reply-To: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.151441.18773@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier) writes:
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
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> state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mtissand
> From: mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier)
> Subject: Re: Mo. Carthon
> Message-ID: <1992Sep9.151441.18773@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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> Organization: The Ohio State University
> References: <1992Sep9.122416.16831@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:41 GMT
> Lines: 12
> 
> In article <1992Sep9.122416.16831@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monas
> h.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
> >
> >Can anyone tell mem the status of Maurice Carthon? (Fullback for the
> >giants). Of the 1 hr highlights we got over here in Oz on the SF/NY game,
> >i did see him at all. Is he still with the team???
> 
> I believe he's with the Colts now.....
> 
>             -Mike
> 
>                   mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>  
 Maurice Carthon IS with the Colts and is the starting Fullback.. The coaches 
are using his blocking skills to help in pass protection but he has proven he 
can catch the ball and run when given the opprtunity... I can't believe the 
Giants left him unprotected in Plan B.. he's still a solid player...

Brian Lichorowic
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From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Colts - Impressions, Stats pls.!!
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:27:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.135244.22402@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August) writes:
>: carries), and the defense was effective (total yardage was 419 to 162).
>: The Oilers seemed to be executing the run-and-shoot in near optimal ball
>: control fashion, but with one glaring exception.  Their sputtering
>: performances inside the so-called red zone left a lot to be desired.  It
>: is seems the Oilers need to come up with better strategies for how to
>: handle a given team, and given defense inside the 20 yard line.  Their
>: ability to finish off long drives was was not very convincing.  This
>: game really should have been a blowout.
>: 
>
>Woof Woof Woof, and the "D" is only going to get better as the season
>progresses -- hoping we can stay free from major injuries.  Yea you're
>right about the red-zone; but, what should Pardee do?  I think he should
>have a red-zone offensive setup with maybe a tight-end or two, with
>White and Tillman in the backfield -- what do you guys think?

I agree.  Adding a TE or two to the lineup would decrease the predictability
of the offense within 20-yards of the endzone.

Der ricker
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From: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers looked terrible
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:16:20 GMT
Reply-To: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California


   The Packers look like they are still in the preseason. 
Does anybody know why Majkowski was replaced with Farve after the
Half? I was speculating that maybe Holmgren doesn't have any faith in 
Majiks passing ability beyond 5 yards from scrimmage, he has onlt throwing
short passes all year. Farve threw the ball well but looked like he 
couldn't read the secondary most of the time.
   What happened to the defense that was getting better every year and ranked
something like 10th overall last year? Even Vinnie ran through Adrian White
for a touchdown. This new "attack style defense" doesn't look to hot so far.
No pass rush, and Vinnie Clark looks nearly as bad as last year. Lets hope 
Buckley can actually play as good as him and Wolf think he can.

Mark Nass
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Washington Redskins News - 9/15/92
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center


All-Pro CB Darrell Green is expected to miss the remainder of the season 
due to a broken bone in his right forearm.  Fourth-year CB A.J. Johnson 
will move into Green's spot just as he did three years ago when Green 
fractured his left wrist.  The Redskins last night re-signed CB Sidney 
Johnson who was let go in the final roster cut.

When Green's arm was examined, doctors discoverd Green didn't get a 
clean break and they were unable to set the bone back in place.  Surgery 
will be required and Green has two options, neither of which is likely 
to get him back on the field in fewer than three months.

One surgical procedure would set the bone in place with a pair of pins 
near the wrist and elbow to anchor the arm.  A splint, and later a cast, 
would be place around the arm.

The other procedure involves the placement of a small metal plate held 
in place by screws around the break.

Redskins trainer Bubba Tyer said the plate could have some advantages 
as far as "bone fixation" but that doctors also reccommend having the 
plate surgically removed after his playing career "and that's major 
surgery you're talking about.... It's really up to Darrell.  He's taking 
his time thinking about what to do."

General Manager Charley Casserly began preparing for the next potential 
problem [at cornerback position] by inviting CB Richard Johnson, a former 
first-round pick of the Houston Oilers and a late training camp cut, 
to Redskins Park for a workout this morning.  However, there's no plan 
to sign Richard Johnson and no guarantee he'll be available when another 
cornerback is needed since he's also scheduled to workout for the San 
Francisco 49ers this week.

Green became the second defensive starter to go down.  DT Eric Williams 
was the other, having suffered a training camp knee injury that will 
sideline him at least another couple of weeks.

Last season, four starters - Don Warren, Ed Simmons, Markus Koch, and 
Alvin Walton - spent time on injured reserve, but only Koch was unable 
to return.  Safety Terry Hoage missed 12 games with a broken right forearm. 
He was injured in Game 6, ready to return for the playoffs and activated 
for the Super Bowl.

Green's injury is worse.  Hoage broke the ulna bone, which is the smaller 
and more stable bone.  Green broke the radius, which is larger and the 
bone that rotates with the movement of the wrist.  It is a tough break 
and slower to heal.


Source:  The Washington Post, September 15, 1992

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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:11:21 GMT

lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:

>In article <55980@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.170029.18538@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>>>I think that they should have thoroughly evaluated Joe's elbow
>>>before Seifert named a starter. I would have had Joe throw a
>>>simulated game, given his arm a decent workout with some long
>>>yardage passes in there. Then perform an MRI. If any inflammation is
>>>detected, then assume that Joe's arm is NOT going to hold up and
>>>then name Young the starter. Instead Seifert jumped the gun like
>>
>>So you're obviously a doctor who is much more familiar with Joe's elbow
>>than the 49er's doctors correct? Come on, if you for one minute believe
>>the 49ers haven't "thoroughly evaluated Joe's elbow", you 're sadly mistaken.
>>Joe is on IR because they don't want to unceremoniously dump him, and
>>they're hoping he'll be healthy enough to keep around as a emergency
>>insurance policy, and because Joe won't quit.
>>
>>If they thought Joe could throw a simulated game(is there even such a 
>>thing in football?), they would have done it already. They're limiting
>>his activity for a reason, and its not based on guesswork. 
>>
>>Young deserves to start at this point, if he fails, and Montana is able
>>to prove on IR that he's able to play, then he should be given the chance
>>to compete with Bono.

>Amem to this.  I think that just about everybody in the free world
>realizes that Montana's career is over.  That is everybody but Montana
>and a few diehards.  The guy is 36.  Even if he can come back from the
>elbow I don't think he will be the same Quarterback he was before.
>I am an avid 49er fan.  I am not an avid Joe Montana fan.  Thanks for
>the Superbowls joe but the team existed before you, i pulled for them then,
>and it will exist without you, and i will pull for them then.,


	Let's assume that the 49er management knows a bit more about
Montana and what is best for the team than any of us on the net.  Okay. 
Now let us assume that Joe's arm has had it.  He's washed up.  Why would
they keep him around?  They still have to pay him no matter what right? 
Does it make any sense to keep him around if they have to pay him to do
nothing.  If you were an astute businessman as DeBartolo must be, wouldn't
you try to dump him on some unsuspecting other team who would give a lot
to get Montana just because of his stature and because they have no one
who can QB their team.  The Niners have not doen this, so the second
assumption must be wrong or, at least, there is enough reason to believe
that he can help the team to keep paying him big money for what he might
be able to do this year.  Therefore, he should not retire.
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: KC receivers
Originator: delarocq@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:46:37 GMT




  #1. Kansas City does NOT use Tight Ends in their offensive setup.

  #2. The starters for KC will be J.J. Birden and Emile Harry.

  Both Bills and Chiefs fan.. what a combo! :)
  But, both dislike the Raiders just as much, you know! :) :) :)


  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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