HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!
Date: 10 Jan 1993 01:46:03 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1im295INNq9@zikzak.apana.org.au> froggy@zikzak.apana.org.au (Robyn McNamara) writes:
>James.Porter@mechanic.fidonet.org (James Porter) writes:
>
>>Is anyone is Alt.aliens seeing this post?  I dont think my USENET echos are getting outside of FLA.  Anyone seeing this and not seeing a reply to it send me a message!
>> 
>>james
>
>James, I can hear you!  I'm on a public access computer system in Melbourne,
>Australia.
>
>I tried to mail you @mechanic.fidonet.org, but it bounced.

Same thing happened to me.  You're beeing heard (uh, read) just fine
here in Minnesota.


	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: NASA antigravity patent
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:48:23 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn) writes:

> If such a patent/device exists, post all relative info here.
> I, for one, would like to hear more about this.
 
 Ditto.  I remember a few patents on ion floaters ie high voltage
 and ozone etc.. But these are not true anti-gravity devices.


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From: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dimensional Thought-Lab
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:43:35 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <141847.2B5093FC@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>,
> JS> FTL drives? Time travel? I believe them not impossible. So why not build
> JS> the damned things and see if they work?
>
>Hear, hear!  People have been literally trying to do so in their garages and
>barns and basements for some little while.  Have any succeeded?  Nothing but
>anecdotes to tantalize us.
>
>One nuclear engineer (specialty:  magnetic containment) in the NY area 
>seems to have made some progress, but unfortunately he died when his house
>flew apart a few years back.

Now think about this carefully.  What would you *expect* to happen if you
turned on an FTL drive in your basement?

--
John Sullivan, Engineer/Computer Development.      Email: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com
Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA.                  Phone: (408)746-4688
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:34:18 GMT


So I saw Steve's .sig and have wondered for a long time why we think Stollman 
is a fruit:

Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome  
Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.

I guess this is directed to Steve, but I wanted to do it publicly:

How's it going cloning human beings?

I attended a Berkeley symposium put on my Michael Lindeman's 2020 group
and one subject that got brought up was that one of the biggest
US government projects at Los Alimos and Larence Labs is the mapping of the
human genome. The implications of this are enormous. Clone solders, make
robots that do anythink you like (slaves) or create look-alikes for 
security so nobody knows which Prez is the real thing...

combine that idea with the report from Bob Lazar that the greys refer to 
humans as containers, and the fact that the government is inot some
really esoteric stuff like installing the human spirit into clones,
and you have some strong drink to think about.

Jeff-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ai373@yfn.ysu.edu (Terry Ford)
Subject: UFOs's
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:43:34 GMT


So, does everyone here believe totally in UFO's?  You hear a lot abot
about lights in teh sky, and  crop cirlcles and things.  I did not
believe ibn in UFOs for a whilem , but crertain things changed my mind.
First, UFO's have been puicicked up on radar.  Radar proves (well 
nothing can be proven), but it kshows that hallucinations can
be ruled out.  There have also been some famous cover ups, with
people even some goverome retired government officials admitting that thee gov.
is hiding something.  I'm tired, so the grammear of this msghh 
is most likely terrible.
 
Please Email me, because I doit took me 15 mins to find this msg
area, and I doubt I will evr be able to find it again.
 
Terry Ford
ai373@yfn.ysu.edu
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ozzie UFOs
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:02:27 GMT
Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK

> >
> >Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell) writes:
> >
> >> Are any readers of this group interested in regular postings of 
> >> up-to-date Australian UFO reports?
> >> 
> >> If so, post a reply. If there's a reasonable response I'll 
> >> organize some regular postings.
> >> 

Yes please post your info on Ozzie UFOs


Steve

-- 
(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)  
Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome  
Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
Phone: +44 81 869 3293  JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Old patent on gravitational force field
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:17:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

You all know about the patent for "Method and apparatus for generating a
secondary gravitational force field" by Henry W. Wallace Dec 14, 1971.
It is patent number 3,626,605.

I am looking for some discussion on an anti-gravity wave oscillator crystal.

There have been a number of articles written by people that have tapped the
psychic world about a crystal that could generate beams of energy to propel objects about the earth during times of old. See books by Edgar Cayce A.R.E.

The input to the crystal was sun light and the output was some kind of a beam
that was directed to other smaller crystals.

My guess is that it is a carbon based crystal in the shape of an octahedral.
   .
  /|\
  ---
  \|/
   .

From the current work being done with diamond based semi-conductors using low
pressure and low temperature it would seem that it is possible to grow such a
crystal.

There is also an interesting note from Hanna-Maria's Universe.

" Weightless is possible for objects having mass. This object must have some
 kind cover like "mirror" is. Weightless is achieved when object oscillates
 continuously between world and anti-world. Object is then totally isolated
 from gravity interaction."

Any help or comments would be appreciated.

dano:
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:41:09 CST
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
 <Jan.7.16.47.48.1993.22924@dropout.rutgers.edu>

In article <Jan.7.16.47.48.1993.22924@dropout.rutgers.edu>,
mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) says:
>... no, he is not.  He is posting messages to an electronic newsgroup
>which *anyone* may post to; the only limitations of which are purely
>technical ones (implicit in that some news servers cannot handle
>extremely large messages), and which do not apply to the number of
>messages posted.  As such he is excercising the right of free speech.

I must differ here.  Here, there is a priviledge of posting.  InterNet was
was created for educational institutions originally and that was the
philosophy under which people used it.  Then companies started asking for
access to it because they saw the potential InterNet had (I think there was
an article on InterNet in the Communications of the ACM a while back).
Therefore I don't subscibe to the fact that it is a right of free speech
because of the fact that he is using a service to post his material.
If I became abusive of InterNet by using its resources for frivilous reasons
(as I think John Winston does with a majority of his posts), my student
account would be either suspended or deleted.  With John Winston, his only
limitation is money.  True I do pay for tuition and fees that contribute
to the upkeep of the computer center but its function is to provide services
for educators and students and NOT to make a profit.

>My suggestion is to either debate or ignore his posts.  "Mail-bombing"
>is not a civilized response.

True.  However, my comments were only an observation and not a call to arms.
John Winston appears to be uncivilized by posting masses of messages that
sometimes are of little relevance to this newsgroup (as this thread of
messages might be).  Debating JW only encourages him, ignoring so far has
not worked.  So I suppose I should give it time.

>
>Charles

Ethan Haslett
u37460@uicvm.uic.edu
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Re George Adamski-Fraud?
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:53:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

There is a book from the same time called: Space, Gravity and The
Flying Saucers.  Published in 1955.  The author is Leonard Cramp.
In this book he examines George Adamski's claims and, in particular,
makes a rigorous scientific examination of the Adamski photographs
of flying saucers.  It was in this book that I first read about
the idea of the ships generating their own gravity from the
center of the craft so that the occupants don't suffer the affects
of rapid course changes.
-- 
============================================================
  "No creature that is intelligent and with the right
   values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
============================================================
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
============================================================
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: BIGFOOTF SPACEMAN?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:54:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1inr4uINNndm@ub.d.umn.edu>

Dear Folks: I just have one question. How big is that diamond in the 
sky?
John Winston.
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:47:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	U37460@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
	Is he not doing the same by flooding everyones mailbox with
	his messages?

... no, he is not.  He is posting messages to an electronic newsgroup
which *anyone* may post to; the only limitations of which are purely
technical ones (implicit in that some news servers cannot handle
extremely large messages), and which do not apply to the number of
messages posted.  As such he is excercising the right of free speech.
My suggestion is to either debate or ignore his posts.  "Mail-bombing"
is not a civilized response.

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:27:04 GMT

From article <8805.16236@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, by lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas):
> 
> Foolish human. Adn why should John's postings incite you to such
> anger? Psychologically, many researchers state that: the state
> of emotional attachment can only come about within the
> perceptive mechanism of the recipient [you] if the recipient
> subconciously finds what had incited him to anger to be true and
> yet still unaccepted by that recipient.

  Yes, if you shout at me that the moon is made of green cheese and
  I am angered, it is simply because I subconciously feel that your
  assertions are true, yet I don't accept them. Of course, how simple.
  I should have guessed. (chortle, guffaw)

> You sir, are wasting as much if not more time by starting
> flames. If you do not like what anyone posts...use your kill
> file. That is what it is for. But instead you choose to rant and
> rave like a 5 year old child screaming for his candy bar...I now
> will use my kill file on you as you have wasted my time.

  Mirror, mirror, on the wall....

  Cheers!
-Max
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:22:27 GMT

In article <93007.184109U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <Jan.7.16.47.48.1993.22924@dropout.rutgers.edu>,
>mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) says:
>>... no, he is not.  He is posting messages to an electronic newsgroup
>>which *anyone* may post to; the only limitations of which are purely
>>technical ones (implicit in that some news servers cannot handle
>>extremely large messages), and which do not apply to the number of
>>messages posted.  As such he is excercising the right of free speech.
>
>I must differ here.  Here, there is a priviledge of posting.  InterNet was
>was created for educational institutions originally and that was the
>philosophy under which people used it.  Then companies started asking for
>access to it because they saw the potential InterNet had (I think there was
>an article on InterNet in the Communications of the ACM a while back).
>Therefore I don't subscibe to the fact that it is a right of free speech
>because of the fact that he is using a service to post his material.
>If I became abusive of InterNet by using its resources for frivilous reasons
>(as I think John Winston does with a majority of his posts), my student
>account would be either suspended or deleted.  With John Winston, his only
>limitation is money.  True I do pay for tuition and fees that contribute
>to the upkeep of the computer center but its function is to provide services
>for educators and students and NOT to make a profit.
>
This poster is obviously confusing the Usenet News service with the
"Internet". The "Internet" is a collection of independent, but
interconnected TCP/IP networks. The Usenet News is one of the many
applications that run on top of the infrastructure provided by this
"Internet". I run a Usenet site, yet I have no direct connection.

Many Usenet sites get their news feed via UUCP, and until recently
most Usenet traffic was passed this way. Granted, most of the traffic
that ends up here now traverses the "Internet" many times - criss-
crossing the country. But the entire "Internet" is not the publicly
funded ARPAnet which you are actually refering to. Large sections of
the "Internet" are for-profit businesses such as PSI which get no
government money. Your, my and "John Winston"s tax dollars help
subsidize sections of the "Internet". "Wasting bandwidth" is a
fallicy... as if the government were being billed for each packet!

It's a shame that some schools and businesses censor Usenet like
some Orwellian "big brother". Some people just aren't happy unless
they are controlling someone else. As long as a person is not being
abusive, threatening or obscene I would never presume to try to
censor them. Neither should you. Filter his posts if he pisses you off...
- Mike
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: KIBOF
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:41:51 GMT

In article <1472.37.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us>, victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) writes:
> -> By the way folks I'm on vacation right now so I can't post.
> -> James_-_Kibo_-_Parry
> 
> So who cares?
>                           
i'm on vacationf and i can't postf either, and whof cares. I
know 'cause i know whof, and whof cares.
i normally don't postf to this groupf anymore now that Gary
got taken to heavenf.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Global Deception Conference
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:34:16 GMT
Keywords: William Cooper, Cover-ups

In article <1993Jan6.114057.28636@crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>Is anybody going to the Global Deception Conference being held at
>Wembley Arena on Saturady 9th and Sunday 10th January??
>
>There is a weird mix of things. The speakers include :
>
>	                    
>	Norio Hayakawa    - an expert on 'black projects' and secret
>	                    technology

I have a cassette tape of the "Ultimate Need to Know" UFO conference
held in Calif last year that he speaks on. Mainly he introduces
Michael Younger of the MJ-12 splinter group, COM-12 . Younger's
group represents the "Constitutionalists" and are opposed to repressive
movements involving NSA/CIA, *Wackenhut* /FEMA types who wish to
round us all up in the concentration camps..oh the tape is fairly
wild..but very sobering. I give it a 8 out of a 10. :}

>                            workings of the New World Order
>                            
>The leaflet I have does not mention the word UFO anywhere, but the
>line up with Bill Cooper and the others suggests very strongly that
>it is very much a 'the aliens are here and working with the Government
>who are keeping the truth from you' type event. Anybody have any
>insights?

Repeat after me.."Bill Cooper is full of dog shit..always has been, and
always will be" A credible word has _never_ crossed his lips. He is
the worlds largest prevaricator of tall tales about "secret underground
UFO Bases" . He has NEVER produced a single scintilla of credible hard
evidence to substantiate his claims. Read "Revelations" by Jacques Vallee
for the interview of Cooper. Read "UFO Magazine" (PO Box 1053, Sunland
Calif. , 91041 - $21 for 6 issues - published bi-monthly). Do some
research on Cooper and get the *real* facts.

I hold Bill Cooper lower than Bill Moore..and _that_ says it all. :}

Don


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From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:02:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Whoa Mike --

In reply to your message 12327 about privileges, idiots, and kill
files:

Your argument about privilege is specious; if you think it makes 
sense, well, good for you.  But it's neither cogent nor convincing.

As for being unable to control the drivel level, you should go back
and check some of the messages on setting up and running a _moderated_
group.  You may learn something.

Again, try reading the current messagges before you mouth off -- a
good many people don't have the kill-file facility, and ignoring
semantic static simply doesn't work unless every person on the net
cooperates.  Furthermore, what could possibly be wrong with, as a
last resort, starting an alternate, moderated group elsewhere?
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: maz@Turing.ORG (Michael A. Zang)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:36:53 GMT

	If we really want to start a moderated group then we do
need to get some discussion going on a moderator. If we just throw
this group to news.groups then we may find Winston and his followers
outvoting us on whether or not to moderate.
	 I still haven't seen enough support for a moderated group
to start the process. Are there really enough of us out there who
want to discuss ufology? 
	This isn't about censoring Winston freedom of speech on the
net. It is about our right to focus our postings. I've seen this kind
of dribble barrage before, asking folks like Winston to post somewhere
else is useless. The only alternative is moderation.
	I really feel someone with a strong interest in ufos like Michael
Corbin would be a better moderator. Any other nominees or volunteers for
moderator?????

later,....Mike


NOTE:  new address maz6r@virginia.edu

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From: davidt@mlink.UUCP (David T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: What do I do when...
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:23:22 GMT
Organization: the ModemLink Network, Long Island, New York

Just out of curiosity what should I or anyone else do if visited by an ET? Run,
pull out the video camera, or submit to their requests???
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sosc1092@wc14.writer.yorku.ca (Vijay Doobay)
Subject: Re: Video Game - Majestic Twelve
Organization: York University
Distribution: Anywhere, and Everywhere
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:05:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan04.232253.8539@crash> jvarley@crash.cts.com (J.J.  
Varley) writes:
> 	A couple days ago I was in an arcade, and I saw a game called
> "Majestic Twelve." Interesting I thought, taking a title from a 
> government group I read in UFO literature.  Pretty much a re-hash of
> "Space Invaders" but it caught my interest.  One more thing,
> the outside of the machine had many drawings of a UFO type thing
> lifting up cows by some sort of beam.  Just a video game, but
> someone at TAITO (who made the game) must have a hint as to
> whats going on...

How could you come to the conclusion that Tatio, the makers of this new  
game, have wind of what is going on with Aliens??  Most people have some  
idea of what could possibly go on, elsewhere in the universe.  Who is to  
say that aliens are green, with big eyes, and no hair??  That is just a  
simple concept that someone has developed, and everyone has taken, or  
rather chosen, to use that as a basis of an alien.  

My real question is this :  Why and How, would Tatio know of alien  
encounters??  If Tatio knew, don't you think that a lot more peope would  
know the same thing??

Mr. Vijay Doobay
York University
Toronto, Canada

>
From: trondk_l@gribb.hsr.no (Lindanger, Trond K.    8-94)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:57:58 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <gunnarh.290.726816344@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
>Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:25:44 GMT


>Hey, gimme a break.. If there really was Aliens lurking around, I'm dure 
>they'd have better things to do than drawiong funny little sirkles in the 
>corn field.


If you don't think it's "Aliens" fine! But do you have any better 
explanaitions? There are people claiming they have made the circles, but 
when they are asked to redraw some of them they can't do it...

Trond K. Lindanger
- Your friend in NORWAY