HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:01:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.132658.14828@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>In article <C0HE54.vE@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan7.071308.15181@netcom.com> ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:
>
>|> > (It also means our power cords can be discreet little things, not enormous
>|> > cobra-hooded snakes that make a little radio look like an arc welder...
>....
>|>
>|> The size of a cable is dictated by the current it carries, not the
>|> voltage applied across it.
>
>It's worse than that, Jim! the Americans use 60Hz not 50 so there is more
>surface effect (the tendency for the current to flow on the surface of the wire
>at frequency).  So the Americans need thicker cable still. If they do use
>weedly little bits of wire it is a reflection on safety standards.

	Weedy is right, with horrible nasty little two pin plugs on the
	end that pop out of the socket at the least provocation.  It
	makes the annual vacuuming take twice as long as it should.
	In addition, the wires on many appliances are thin enough
	to become slightly warm to the touch after a few minutes use.

	In addition, there doesn't seem to be any objection to using
	power cords to carry a weight (something that was strenuously
	forbidden in Germany).  However, electrical safety has come
	a long way since the U.S. Navy used to switch off some electrical
	equipment by first shorting it out (father-in-law was a USN
	electrician in WWII).

	Alec.
From: pt@curie.lif.icnet.uk (Paul Taylor <pt@acl.icnet.uk>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Bank of England
Date: 6 Jan 1993 11:34:21 -0000
Organization: Imperial Cancer Research Fund
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Keywords: Francfort/Franc fort

In article <1993Jan6.103044.4178@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>
>What do you think, the French and Germans did nothing to help the pound so why
>not take advantage of the situation now ?
>
>David.

I was actually under the impression the Germans did support the pound with the
largest ever such intervention on the part of a foreign bank. That even this
failed says something about the power of deregulated funds and something about
the complacency and incompetence of our government.

It also now seems that the German government made considerable efforts to
persuade the EEC countries to organise a realignment that would have allowed
the pound to stay in the ERM. But it was scuppered because the British
wouldn't have it.

Don't blame the Germans.

You could try blaming the French. But I don't why you shouldn't blame the
Chancellor.

Paul
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Travel to London
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:50:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan7.180521.27860@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley) writes:
>
>My parents will be attending the Paris Air Show in June and I was
>planning on meeting them in Paris.  I have the opportunity to fly to
>London for a low air fare.  Would it be very difficult and expensive
>to travel from London to the coast then to a ferry to Normandy?
>
Shouldn't be. I went by ferry to Brussels from London last
year, and a return ticket only cost me #59, less than some
internal fares in the UK.

To go through Normandy you would go by the Newhaven-Dieppe route
rather than the shorter Dover-Calais route. Trains to Newhaven
leave from Victoria station in London, and there is an international
ticket office there where you can buy rail/ferry tickets to
Paris and other places in Europe.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:18434 soc.culture.french:9525
From: billaud@greco-prog.fr (Michel BILLAUD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: British phones in France
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:50:10 GMT
Reply-To: billaud@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Michel BILLAUD)
Organization: LaBRI - Universite Bordeaux I - France

In article <1993Jan7.132206.14719@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
> It's illegal to connect
>anything other than an approved phone, and only French 'phones get approval.  

Not true. Mine is a Philips, with agrement number 89471P.
No really a french company.

M Billaud



-- 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:18567 soc.culture.celtic:8683
From: ssrzakar@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (M. S. Zakaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Shetlands oil fiasco
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:30:39 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

BBC news at 6:00 p.m, 12 Jan. 1993. Braer broke into four pieces, discharging
all of its cargo into the sea. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: noel@lonemb.demon.co.uk (Noel Bradford)
Subject: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: The Embassy BBS +44-(0)992-448903
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:32:52 +0000

Hello Sue!

07 Jan 93, Sue Miller writes:

 >> writes: The dictionaries I consulted gave "a day off work" as the first
 >> meaning for holiday.  Given this, 'Happy holidays' sounds pretty generic
 >> to me, Ah, but . . . "holidays", in British English, means what you might
 >> prefer to call a vacation.  So "happy holidays" sounds pretty silly to

 SM> Which holidays are also "days off work".

 SM> The biggest eccentricity here is the British insistence in calling
 SM> multiple days off work a "holiday" (singular).  :-)

holiday = vacation!

Cheers

Noel

Noel@lonemb.demon.co.uk

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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Raymond Baxter (was Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures)
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:51:51 GMT
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England

In article <C0H7IA.KEM@newcastle.ac.uk>, Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan6.100733.7419@clts1.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, 
|> >
|> >It was Tomorrow's World, when it was Really Tomorrow's World, 
|> >with Admiral Raymond Grand Prix Baxter and his silk cravat.
|> 
|> I thought he was a fly boy, wasn't he a squadron leader. Hence the involvement
|> with all the air shows.

He was certainly a pilot in WWII. I heard a story where he managed to 
get to be the only person credited with a V2 kill. He was flying over 
woods when he saw something coming up out of the trees. It was still 
moving slowly, and as he reasoned that it was up to no good, he shot
it down. 

Still doesn't explain why his Listing Of The Regiments is the most
boring thing ever broadcast though. Much worse than the Budget.

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jrichmn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Joy Richman)
Subject: Archers update, please
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:13:15 GMT

I am an Archers addict and have noticed that there have been very few
updates on this bulletin board of late.  Can anyone tell me whether Ruth's
baby has been born yet, whether the vicar/vet has proposed to Carolyn,
whether Nigel has re-proposed to Lizzie? I'm eagerly anticipating any
answers that come my way.

Sincerely,


Joy Richman
Winnipeg, Canada

JRICHMN@CCU.UMANITOBA.CA
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Linguistic expert = an Englishman !
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:53:06 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1993Jan12.150505.1@aud2.aud.auc.dk> i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk writes:
>Hello Englishman,
>
>I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I need advice from an 
>expert (= an Englishman). I am writing a report and have 
>two questions:
>
>1)  A section at the end is called a) "Appendix" or 
>    b) Annex ?
>
>2)  Is it called a) a "program" or b) a "programme"  ?
>    (As in computer program/programme)
>

Well of course you are right....  Englishman = expert.

My expert answer to 1) above is that if at were a bit at the end of your 
intestine or at the end of a book or report, you would call it 'appendix'.
If it were a bit tagged on to the end of your house or country, you would
call it an 'annex'.

As for 2) above, if its on TV, you call it a programme, if it is in a computer
memory, then you should use the American spelling and call it a 'program'. Similarly
computers use 'disks' and record players use 'discs'.

Jim Munro

,
From: Robert.Hartill@cm.cf.ac.uk (Rob)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Disney tickets
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:51:38 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Distribution: uk
Organization: Computing Maths (COMMA), UWCC, Wales, UK

Anyone want to sell their unused DisneyWorld (Florida) tickets ?
(3 park tickets only please)

--
    ____Robert Hartill, Dept Of Computing Mathematics, UWCC, Cardiff, UK.____
    \______e-mail : rhl@cm.cf.ac.uk _________ Fax : +44 (0)222 666182_______/
 It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job: it's a depression when you
		    lose yours.     - Harry S Truman ~1958.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Studying Meteorology in the UK
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:48:07 GMT

Sue Miller writes:
>about my posting
>>
>>Daan, that was a joke! Not only a very puny joke, but a very old one, I'm
>>surprised you didn't recognise it (but then again the concept of a joke
>>is still catching hold in the US, isn't it?).
...and other stuff.
>
>Funny you should mention Americans being humor-impaired in the
>same context as 1) an American joke  2) an American 'comedy-drama'
>3) two American comedians.  
>
>I love this group.

Well, thank you, but aren't you a trifle over sensitive?  I thought my
statement was very carefully phrased so as to allow for much excellent US
humour (in those places where the joke has fully caught on) and yet hint
gently that some Merkuns still find the idea a bit of a struggle.

Incidentally, Mr.  Daan Sandee, whose posting caused my posting, has been
in communication with me and while decent enough to have not yet consulted
his solicitors, made it clear to me that I should have in no way caused
any implication that he himself is of US origin.  I have fulsomely
apologised for any slight in this direction.

Dick
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:18562 alt.usage.english:10488
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:21:19 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1993Jan12.163526.14858@lut.ac.uk>, R.J.Woolley@lut.ac.uk writes:
|> In article <ll41omINNdhr@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan11.233015.28726@csi.uottawa.ca>, misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:
|> >|>    British houses often have the bath in a separate room from the
|> >|> toilet, so the euphemism "bathroom" wouldn't work.  Of course,
|> >|> "water closet", "W.C.", "the loo", etc. are often used.

|> >On a recent trip to Italy, I was surprised to find public
|> >rest rooms often labelled "WC", since I understand that to
|> >be a strictly British usage, and "W" isn't even a letter in
|> >the Italian language.

|> It's also a colloquism in France - Le doublevaycay (to spell it phonetically)

Interesting.  When the Italian restroom wasn't labelled "WC",
it was usually labelled "toilette" instead.  It was never
labelled "gabinetti", although I was told this is always
what I should ask for.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Channel Islands/Nazis
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:26:07 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.001325.23995@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>> 
>> The BBC world Service had an item on the news yesterday (Thurs) about
>> newspaper reports on material which had just come out on the cooperation
>> between the local elite in Jersey and Guernsey in the Nazi roundup of JEws
>> when the Channel Islands were occupied during WWII. Unfortunately, I only
>> picked up the last 2/3 of the report, and I didn't catch the name of the
>> newspaper which printed the story. Please would someone post more details.
>The Guardian certainly did. You'll probably also find that most of the rest of
>the papers did, with appropriate headlines. `War Criminals in the Channel
>Islands' (Daily Telegraph). `My wartime nightmare: how collaborators killed my
>mother' (Daily Mail). `A Jew in Jersey: Distraught Islander tells all'
>(Today). `Jerry Jersey Jew shock' (Mirror). `Huns Hunted' (Sun). 

   Why is this story only released now.  I realise the documents were
secret but there was no law preventing the papers in the last few
decades from interviewing survivers and asking them about colaboration.


>Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
>wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:45:18 GMT
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

|  -- or do you have to subtract 32 first?  Or is it afterwards?  I never
|     could remember.

Simple. Don't bother, use this mechanism:
	Celcius to Fahrenheit: subtract 40, *9/5, add 40
	Fahrenheit to Celcius: subtract 40, *5/9, add 40

notice the similarity.

This works because -40F = -40C.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: --Body Shop & Wind vs. CO2
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:06:09 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.182222.8073@leland.Stanford.EDU> prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger) writes:
>>Is Brighton now bodyshopless?
>>
>Is anywhere bodyshopless these days?

Unfortunately there's a Body Shop right at the entrance from my office
tower into Montreal's "underground city".

The smell that comes from it is so overpowering and literally nauseating
that I'll go outside in -20 weather to avoid having to pass it (I just did,
a few hours ago).
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Channel Islands/Nazis
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:13:25 GMT


The BBC world Service had an item on the news yesterday (Thurs) about
newspaper reports on material which had just come out on the cooperation
between the local elite in Jersey and Guernsey in the Nazi roundup of JEws
when the Channel Islands were occupied during WWII. Unfortunately, I only
picked up the last 2/3 of the report, and I didn't catch the name of the
newspaper which printed the story. Please would someone post more details.

Thanks

Richard Pennell History NUS
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truly English?
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:48:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan9.015706.5294@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>In refd article, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>However, the use
>>of plural forms for the first person singular can be a feature
>>of working class speech, and I would guess it was really
>>another case of an emotional Mrs.T slipping into her native
>>Lincolnshire.
>
>Really?  Can you give us some examples of this, particularly other
>Lincolnshire examples?

Well, I couldn't actually say whether it is a feature of
Lincolnshire speech, but I do remember it being in use when I
was at school (in Sussex admittedly), because I remember it
being the subject of a rather cruel joke aimed at a boy who
was particularly fat (something like "who's 'we' - you and your
blubber?").

Matthew Huntbach
From: pwoles@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Peter Wolesagle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Bright Russian-speaking American graduate seeks employment
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:32:10 GMT
Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN


                (Abbreviated resume)
                
                Peter L. Woleslagle
                4403 Pine St. #2R
                Philadelphia, PA 19104-3955
                (215) 222-6384
                e-mail: pwoles@ccat.sas.upenn.edu

OBJECTIVE:
        A challenging position in a corporation or organization making use of my
        Russian language skills.

EDUCATION:
        M.A. expected, University of Pennsylvania, Department of Slavic
                Languages (current)

        B.A., University of Pennsylvania, 1991.  Magna cum laude.
                Dual majors: Russian and English

PRESENT POSITIONS:
        Editorial Assistant, Slavic Review (journal)
        and Research Assistant,Perestroika Dictionary Project,
        Center for Russian and East European Studies, University of
Pennsylvania
        Responsibilities include research, translation, proofreading, editing,
        word processing.

        Freelance translator.  Worked for several clients in Philadelphia,
        including Atrun Group, Strategic Management Group, and the Wharton
        School of Business.  Work included financial, legal, biomedical, and 
        petroleum industry materials.

MISCELLANEOUS:
        - 5 months total living/study experience in Russia
        - Experienced in use of Macintosh computers and software
        - Numerically adept (GMAT 700 total; GRE 760 quantitative, 710
          analytical)
        - Some experience in youth counseling
        - Creative and analytical thinker
        - Self-starter and motivator
        - Willing to travel and/or relocate within North America, CIS, or
          Europe
        - Available June 1993
From: jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truly English?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:46:14 GMT
     <C0JKu4.JAH@newcastle.ac.uk> <1993Jan8.184707.14168@netcom.com>
     <1993Jan9.015706.5294@philmtl.philips.ca>
Organization: UT Art History
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1



In article <C0JKJ0.Iy6@ecf.toronto.edu> Chris Ambidge,
ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.113815.16952@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David
Brooks) writes:
>>When I were a lad, I was taught that there were three circumstances
when it
>>was formally proper to call oneself "we".  The monarch, a newspaper
editor,
>>and... I forget.  Anyone know the third?
>>The idea was that this person in some sense embodies a plurality.
>
>The third is a bishop:  hence "Royal, editorial or episcopal WE"

According to Mark Twain, the third circumstance is when you are so
unfortunate as to be sharing your innards with a tapeworm. I suppose he
forgot about the shopkeepers, and never consorted with bishops.
--

"They like sitting around reading all the books there are. And then they 
love arguing about them. Some of those arguments go on for millenium 
after millenium. It just seems to keep them young, for some reason, 
arguing about books." -- Julian Barnes          

Joann Zimmerman (jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Martini
Organization: Morituri Te Salutent, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:59:17 GMT

Guy Barry (gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan11.144641.1476@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
> >
> >As far as I know "Martini" is a proprietary name for a brand of vermouth
> >in Britain. not a generic, but then I don't drink the stuff so I'm
> >hardly an expert.  The American usage has always baffled me: is it
> >a proprietary name over there as well?
>
Yes, but the gin-with-a-dash-of-vermouth drink is known as a martini because
Martini is the best-known brand of vermouth.   It could just as easily have
been named after any one of the cheap-Italian-wine-with-herbs concoctions.


> Another thing while I think of it: how is "vermouth" pronounced?  I
> always call it "VER-m'th" (with the accent on the first syllable),
> but the American pronunciation seems to be "ver-MOOTH" (with the
> accent on the second syllable).  
>
This is a matter of some controversy.  No, CONtroversy.  Er, ConTROVersy...
 
> Many years ago I remember seeing an American TV comedy sketch (can't
> remember the programme or the actors, sorry) containing a running
> gag which totally baffled me.  Character A is mixing a drink.
> Character B walks up to him.
> 
> B (pointing to drink): "What's that?"
> A: "It's a Martini."
> B (tastes drink): "Needs more vermouth."
> (B pulls stopper out of bottle.  There is a loud pop.)
> B (tastes drink again): "Great!"
> (Audience explodes into gales of laughter, even the third or fourth
> time this is repeated.)
> I think this may have helped to convince me that Americans will laugh
> at anything if they're told to...

While the show probably stretched the joke too far, it's well known that 
martinophiles will complain bitterly about too much vermouth.  The quest for 
the ultimate dry martini (gin-style) involves adding the absolute minimum of
the vermouth.  One recipe calls for soaking ice in vermouth, draining, then
pouring gin over the ice.  Other people make a joke of waving the vermouth
bottle over the glass without actually putting any in.  One time in Bermuda
I asked for a really dry martini, and I swear I was given straight gin....

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:26:58 GMT

In article <C0HE54.vE@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.071308.15181@netcom.com> ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:

|> > (It also means our power cords can be discreet little things, not enormous
|> > cobra-hooded snakes that make a little radio look like an arc welder...
|> > but that's an aesthetic consideration.)
|> 
|> Really?
....
|> 
|> The size of a cable is dictated by the current it carries, not the
|> voltage applied across it.

It's worse than that, Jim! the Americans use 60Hz not 50 so there is more
surface effect (the tendency for the current to flow on the surface of the wire
at frequency).  So the Americans need thicker cable still. If they do use
weedly little bits of wire it is a reflection on safety standards.

Looks as if Ernest needs to redo his Physics 101.

David
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