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From: jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay)
Subject: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:33:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


Hi guys, well, I'm pleased to say I'm still eating well (thanks to
this group!) and I'm starting to exercise. I posted some of the
following to misc.fitness, but since I'm a bit worried about
cross-posting flame wars between the two groups, I figured I'd make
two separate posts and lets try and keep the two threads separate.
 
I've got a significant (read 50+ lbs) amount of weight to lose, and I've
finally convinced myself that a decent exercise program is essential
to accomplish my goal. (mostly thanks to alt.support.diet, by the
way!)  Becoming healthier and more fit in the process
is a nice goal too. Anyway, I'm lucky enough to own a NordicTrack, and
I want some advice on what sort of an exercise program I should be
trying to do. 

Keeping in mind that I am in pretty bad shape, here's what I've been
thinking about: I'd like to try and do 25 minutes a day, 5 to 7 days a
week. I did 25 minutes this morning (after weeks of doing almost
nothing). and other than my thighs being a bit sore this afternoon, I
feel great. I had both the arm and the leg resistance down pretty low,
basically the leg resistance was high enough so I didn't feel like the
skis were running away from me but that's it. 

So what I want to know is am I going to be overdoing it? I
remember reading somewhere that you have to give your body a chance to
recover after exercising, and so you should only work out every other
day or something. Is that true, or is this some great myth spread by
lazy people?

Thanks,

-- Jennie
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:13:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
>Subject: Roller Skating for Excersie
>
>Does anyone know anything about the benefits of roller skating, in-door
>and/or out-door, for weight reduction/control?  Frequency etc.
>
>I use to roller skate 2-3 nights a week at our local rink when I was a
>teen-ager and my legs were always firm and I didn't have a problem
>with my weight.  Which I did before I became a teen-ager.  And again
>after I had my first daughter.  Now I know being an active teen-ager,
>going to school and working a part-time job) had a lot to do with not
>having the weight problem.  But I wonder what the roller skating could
>do for me now.  I'm not anixous to skate on the streets, but am
>considering looking up a rink close to home.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>F [:)
>
>"Think Slim - Be Slim"
>
>"I like myself unconditionally"
>
 
Hi, Fran.
 
Skating (quad/conventional, inline - "Rollerblades", ice) is all
excellent exercise.  It is much much easier on the joints than
running or jogging, you go faster so you see more scenery (well,
not inside a rink you wouldn't), and you sort of create your own
breeze so it's cooler when it's hot outside.  How's that sound?
 
I ice skated when I was a kid.  So in March I just couldn't fight
it any longer and I got a pair of Rollerblade Lightnings.  I skate
3+ times per week, anywhere from 2 to 6 miles at a time, and I
have slimmed down (13 pounds!) and toned up A LOT.  I also use a
Stairmaster, but only when the streets are wet.  I have seen the
most improvement in my hips :) and buttocks :) and have thinned
in the thighs as well.  (I've lost the weight/FAT through exercise
on a regular basis and low-fat food.)
 
It is terrific aerobic exercise.  Like any other aerobic exercise,
I would aim to do it 3+ times per week for 20+ minutes.  Rink
skating is fine if that's what you choose, but wouldn't you rather
skate outdoors for FREE? :)
 
Do what you enjoy and call it "fun" instead of "exercise".
 
TAMARA
 
ps: If 13# doesn't sound like much for 4 months, it was 10% of
my weight and I'm within one pound of my target weight now.  Now
I need to retest my body fat % to see if indeed I've hit my target!
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Jul29.174306.15763@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>> 
>I know it's free but at my age (over 50) I seem to fall more on the 
>streets.  And then I have these big sores on my legs when I go water
>skiing.  But I just might invest in the knee and elbow pads and try
>it around the block a few times.
>
>Fran Peterson
>

Yes, do invest in them.
Nothing like skating outdoors, but the
pads can save you all kinds of pain and suffering.
(I've fallen a total of 3 times.  Twice pretty hard.
Scratched up those knee pads real bad.  Not a mark
on me. :>)

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig

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From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Roller Skating for Excersie 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:03:24 GMT



Does anyone know anything about the benefits of roller skating, in-door 
and/or out-door, for weight reduction/control?  Frequency etc.

I use to roller skate 2-3 nights a week at our local rink when I was a
teen-ager and my legs were always firm and I didn't have a problem
with my weight.  Which I did before I became a teen-ager.  And again
after I had my first daughter.  Now I know being an active teen-ager,
going to school and working a part-time job) had a lot to do with not
having the weight problem.  But I wonder what the roller skating could
do for me now.  I'm not anixous to skate on the streets, but am 
considering looking up a rink close to home.

Thanks,

F [:)

"Think Slim - Be Slim"

"I like myself unconditionally"
From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: exercise and swelling
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:23:59 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <712408740@hornet.cs.duke.edu>, lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday) writes:
> 
>   worried.  It is your body's reaction to the increased blood going
>   through your body.
>  
OOPS!  I meant increased pace at which your blood is going through your
body.  In either case it is normal!

Lynn
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:12:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <91883@bu.edu> manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes) writes:

>
>Lastly, I have a question.  I've had so much luck with this skating
>thing, I'm starting to worry about winter.  I live in Boston.  There
>will probably be several months where I can't skate at all and a few
>more where I can only skate on the rare nice day.  What are good
>out-doorsy winter exercises that will prevent aformentioned boredom?
>(I grew up in CA and am not used to planning my life around seasonal

What about ice-skating ?  :-)

>changes!)  Skiing is possible, but I don't know how and I understand
>it's pretty expensive.  I can't really jog or run because of a bad
>ankle.  Anything else I can do??
>
>michelle
>
>--
>Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
>manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
>			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
>
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:00:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bruzuz.KIw@acsu.buffalo.edu> mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:
>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>
>|Back when I was into rabid dieting, I was very successful including
>|muffins -- BIG muffins -- for breakfast on a daily basis.  They were
>|sweetened with fruit juice, but from what I understand that doesn't
>|make a whole heck of a lot of difference.  My whole life revolved
>|around those muffins.  I dreamt about muffins.  I lost loads of
>|weight, more than 100 pounds, down to my goal.  Muffins every
>|morning.
>
>
>	TELL US where you got these miracle muffins!!  What are in them,
>	how did you make them?  And what else did you do besides MUFFINS
>	to lose 100+ lbs???
>
I got the miracle muffins at a local health food store here in Philly.
A woman in the area makes them.  I'm not sure what all they have in
them, depends on what kind you get.  

As to how I lost 100 pounds, it was by doing the Diet Center on my own.
(The muffins aren't part of that program; they offer some little
bitty diet muffins, however).  Before you rush out to join Diet Center,
however, don't forget the _rest_ of my posting, which isn't included
here:

I GAINED MOST OF IT BACK.

The director of Diet Center is also overweight.  It's a major-league
deprivation diet that does not begin to address _why_ people eat
compulsively and help them get to the root of things to make changes
that are not just behavioral.  In fact, the Diet Center diet -- like
most diets -- is just another form of compulsive eating.  It ain't
what you eat, it's why you eat it.  IMHO.

--Lauren



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|		crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu               |
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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep 
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 06:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221534.25690@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:

>It contains concentrated extracts from  Ma Huand and Kola Nut,
>plus Siberian Ginseng, Pugongying, Zingiber, Gymnema Sylestre,
>Pullulan, and Kelp.

I believe "ma huang" is a stimulant -- epinephrine, to be exact.
Siberian Ginseng will do nice things to "normalize" the system.
Kelp has iodine, a nutrient often missing in the American diet.
I don't know what the rest of the stuff in that does.

>Also, have seen another product in health food stores refered to
>as Dieter's Tea. There's no explantion or info on the box and
>it's to expensive to buy just to read the info inside, if there
>is any.

Years ago, this flea market my mother frequents gave out free samples
of the stuff.  I opened it up and started reading the broken-English
literature.  It said something about the tea making you "have to go to
the bathroom more" or something like that.  The implication was that
it was a laxative and diuretic.

Most "dieter's teas" have a diuretic ingredient of some sort.  Sure,
it may be better than drinking something loaded with sugar, but you
have to be careful not to lose electrolytes when pumping diuretics.

--Lynn
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From: BETTYJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Betty Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:20:14 GMT
 <5_jm8fc.rfelix@netcom.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

For winter exercise, how about Xcountry skiing.  The purchase price for
equipment is generally less than for downhill and there might be enough
snow around without having to travel to ski resorts.
To relieve boredom when using a stationary exercise bicycle, try buying
books on tape - some public libraries have them in circulation - and
listen to them while you ride.  Might be a good way to finally get through
War and Peace, though I prefer Stephen King, myself B-}
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Muffin recipe, as promised
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:35:40 GMT


Applesauce Muffins 

1 cup oat bran
1/3 cup whole-wheat flour
1/2 cup wheat bran
2 tsp. baking powder
1/2 tsp. ground cinnamon
2 egg whites
1/3 cup applesauce
1 cup skim milk
1/2 cup blueberries

In a large bowl combine the oat bran, wheat flour, wheat bran,
baking powder and cinnamon.  Set aside.

In a smaller bowl combine the egg whites and applesauce.
Whisk in the skim milk, then pour liquid into flour mixture
in large bowl.  Mix until moistened.  Fold in the blueberries.

Spoon batter into 12 muffin cups coated with non-stick spray.
Bake at 425 degrees F until muffins are lightly browned, about
15 minutes.

Makes 12 muffins.
In a muffin:  65 calories, 0.9 g. fat (12% of calories),
4 g. dietary fiber, 0.3 mg. cholesterol, 73 mg. calcium,
97 mg. sodium.



I posted previously that I had gotten this from a Prevention
magazine cookbook.  It's not really a cookbook.  I didn't
know what to call it, so I called it a cookbook.  It's
a pamphlet-type thing called 50 Super Healing Foods.  There
are a bunch of recipes in back.  It was a free gift for
subscribing to Prevention.

As variations to the recipe, I've substituted a banana or
strawberries for the blueberries.  I've also added raisons.
I like the blueberries the best.
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:55:51 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul21.152648.27770@inmet.camb.inmet.com> I write:
>Hellers call the "carbodyrate-addicted."

Duh... that's (obviously) carbohydrate...
From: abeals@autodesk.com (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Carob
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:30:11 GMT

mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:

>tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.) writes:


>|Are all olives high in fat?  I thought all olives were high in fat but was told last night
>|that black olives aren't.  Any truth?


>	I think that *olives* themselves aren't high in fat at all, it's 
>	just that they're usually cured in olive oil and they soak up a lot
>	of that.  

Gee, Marie, where do they get OLIVE oil from?

Uh, I know - from oil wells!  Yeah..that's the ticket.

>	Black olives seem to be eaten UN-cured more frequently than green,
>	maybe that's what they were talking about.

I've always cured my olives in brine [salt water].


>	PS -- IMHO greens don't taste good at ALL without being cured.
>	      And blacks don't taste good, period.

More for me.  Pass the kalmatas, please.
--
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: optifast again
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:04:34 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul22.120230.20096@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>I was talking to my friend, M., who is doing Optifast.  She's
>quite discouraged because of her slow loss.  The first week she
>lost 7 lbs, next 5 and this week 1.6!  I'm beginning to wonder about
>something.  They tell you not to exercise, yet she's been riding
>her bike (stationary) about 5 days/week for 20+ mins.  Since
>its not possible to lose more than 2 lbs a week of fat (is this a
>generally accepted number?  If not, what is?)  I wonder if

It is possible to lose more than 2 lbs a fat a week, depending on
your weight and calorie intake/expenditure.  For example, a 200 lb
woman on a liquid diet (500 calories a day) w/o exercise could lose
approximately 3.5 lbs in a week (((11 cals/pound/day * 7 days) - 3500
cals in) / 3500 cals in a pound).  With exercise it could be more. I
averaged 4 lbs a week on HMR (like Optifast), but when I finished the
program, I was averaging 5000-6000 calories a week exercising (that's
walking about 60 miles a week).

>they tell them NOT to exercise so that they will show a greater
>loss (muscle)?  Does that make any sense?  

They probably tell them not to exercise because strenuous exercise (which
for the greatly obese is often a brisk walk) often makes people hungry.
HMR requires that its participants get 2000 calories (about 15 miles a week
for someone who weighs 200) a week of physical activity.  Currently,
my increased physical activity is what's keeping me from regaining the
weight I lost, so I can imagine I would have put it right back on if
I had done the Optifast program.
>
>I mean, would you show a smaller loss on the same caloric
>intake if you were building muscle than if you were very
>sedentary?  Any ideas on this?
>
We were told that increasing exercise abruptly would lead to a water
weight gain.  This is why we did "water math" every week to determine
the actual fat loss (basically the equation I did above).

I am glad I did the liquid diet.  However, you really must be prepared
to do whatever it takes to keep the weight off, otherwise, it's just
a faster way to yo-yo.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: roller skates
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <28JUL199222330089@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY) writes:
>Hi!
>	It sure sounds like roller skating could be lots of fun but I'ld like
>to know how they are on bumpy roads.  Do you have to use them on sidewalks
>(concrete) and bike path type places or is it possible along the side of a 
>road?
>

I skate (on in-lines) to and from work every day.  I  spend most of
the ~25 min on a bike path near the Charles river or on the side
of the road.  The sidewalks in Boston & Cambridge are on the whole
too much of a mess (especially the brick ones) to skate over, but the
roads are fine.  I just pretend I'm a bike.  :>

Basically, I can go over any reasonble surface -- the more speed I
have going and the more relaxed I am the better I move over the
rougher ones.  I would suggest learning to skate in a parking lot
or some other wide open smooth surface.  Master starting, stopping
and turning before getting into traffic, whether it be cars, bikes,
pedestrians, or other skaters.  The better for you and for them.

If you skate over bumpy roads like I do, expect to rotate your wheels
often to prevent wear and to buy new wheels more often than most people.
Have fun!

(I know, I know.  Not exactly diet-related.   But it is exercise-
related.  And I just *loves* my skates!  I got religion and I gotta
spread the word...)


>............................................................................
>Kathy Greenwood                 
>Math Major (believe it or not!)   

*me too*
(well, I was.  at UC Berkeley.  I'm uch better now.
Now I'm a nice normal candidate for M.Ed.)

>University of Oklahoma          
>
>.............................................................................


michelle

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:28:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>
>MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
>
>How can you seriously believe that 1-1/2 cups of flour and 3/4 cup
>of sugar can be useful on a DIET! "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg.
>of cholesterol" just *screams* LESS THAN WHAT????
>
>The only successful weight loss method is a lifelong change in eating
(ETC.)

Back when I was into rabid dieting, I was very successful including
muffins -- BIG muffins -- for breakfast on a daily basis.  They were
sweetened with fruit juice, but from what I understand that doesn't
make a whole heck of a lot of difference.  My whole life revolved
around those muffins.  I dreamt about muffins.  I lost loads of
weight, more than 100 pounds, down to my goal.  Muffins every
morning.

I gained much of it back, of course, but that's another story.
Incidentally, I never eat muffins now.  Can't look at the things.

--Lauren
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Anybody out there who ....
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:45:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I'm wondering how many of you out there lost more than 50 pounds and
have kept it off for 5 years or longer.  And how many of those of you
who have done that also used to be yo-yo dieters?  I'd really like to
hear what finally made the difference for you and how you're dealing
with things.  

Thanks.

--Lauren

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Anybody out there who ....
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:16:46 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <84053@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I'm wondering how many of you out there lost more than 50 pounds and
>have kept it off for 5 years or longer.  And how many of those of you
>who have done that also used to be yo-yo dieters?  I'd really like to
>hear what finally made the difference for you and how you're dealing
>with things.  

I lost 170 lbs more than 20 years ago, and have kept most of it off.
I am still a yo-yo dieter, however.



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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:18:17 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu's message of 25 Jul 92 21:23:05 GMT


In article <BryrEI.4LG@acsu.buffalo.edu> mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:

[snipper]


	   Now, is it just me or did ANY thing I say above infer that I am
	   interested in a "new" weight management program???
	   The fact that he doesn't Mr. Pival my name in greeting, and that I've
	   never seen Mr. Pival post to this group make me think that
	   this is a mass-mailing of promotional material.
	   Anyone else get one?
	   If this was sincere, I apologize, but if not, let's get real here.
	   Solicitation by news or email is verboten.


		   Let me know your thoughts,


He got me too.  In response to a request for nutritional information
on hummus.  Sounds like someone's selling Amway on the net...
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From: amy@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Amy O'Keefe-Hyser)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:43:47 GMT
Subject: Fat Substitue(s) ??
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet


 As anyone heard any more on the development of a fat substitute ?
 I think I heard it referred as 'Simpless' (spell ??).  I thought
 it was about to come out in products like ice cream, but I haven't
 seen it or heard more about it ...

 Amy.

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