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From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Subject: Re: Star of Indiana 1993 repetoire
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:01:18 GMT
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In <Oct04.213104.41750@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:

> 
> News from Prodigy-land:
> 
> Bill Cook has just passed along word from Jim Mason regarding Star of
> Indiana's 1993 show.  The music is all by Samuel Barber and is:
> 
>         School for Scandal
>         Adagio for Strings
>         Medea's Dance of Vengeance
> 

Well, I will say that I am pleased to find that some corps has finally
discovered Barber.  At the same time, I cannot express to strongly my dismay
at which corps it was.  I dread next summer hearing delicate scoring
and beautiful melodies butchered by an organization with no finesse or concept
of subtlety.  That is, if they treat Barber the same way they have treated
Bill Schuman and Respighi in previous years.
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Creativity vs. Execution
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:42:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <splooie.717542453@camelot> splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:
>My question is, for FMM's out there:  how exactly did you learn drill
>& how was it cleaned?  My question for current MM's is: do your corps
>learn drill in a similar way that I have just described?  Just by    
>watching Star and Cadets, I might imagine that the drill is taught a
>little differently, because corps members do not ALWAYS take a straight
>path to get to their sets.  It would be interesting to know how they
>do things different..
>

They divide some sets into subsets to make certain moves work (like if the
color guard needs to go through the snare line, the snares would first open
the interval for x counts, and then the guard has y counts to go through 
leaving the rest of the counts for the snares and color guard to get to the
next set).  That was a crude example, but I think it works.  Also a curved
path may be taken when a line needs to stay in dress.  Since I'm no MM
expert I can't go into the real specifics, but these are just my experiences.

>SPLOOIE
>splooie@camelot.bradley.edu
>


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:06:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In this discussion we have two points of view, hit your coordinates, and
stay in dress.  If all 110+ marching members where perfect, this would be a
moot point, however they aren't so it isn't.  They way if learned drill
ever since freshman year of high school (including a year in Spirit)is 
that you are in a set for a small portion of the time that you are on the
field.  If motion to every set looks like free drill, then there is not
effect of seeing the metamorphasis of cute triangles to paisley creatures.
Every person can hit their mark for every set and it can still look crappy
in between.  I totally agree that a person needs to know each and every
coordinate that they have for the show, but there should be some give and
take in regard to the overall shape and form of the set.

--David
 
-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: pm860605@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Peter Mckinney)
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:05:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College, Ft. Collins, CO 80523

In article <1992Sep28.022432.7836@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, you write:
|> In article <92269.140048MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
|> 
|> >I think this is a great thread (if I do say so myself).  Maybe we could get
|> >a standardized drum notation scheme worked up so we percussionists can
|> >communicate (!).

Yes!  I'd love to see more drum parts posted.  I'll get to posting one
soon...
 
|> >Brad's notation has some good ideas.  Mine was just to relay a basic pattern
|> >without all the embellishments (i.e. tap rolls, flams, drags, etc).  However,
|> >to keep readability, I propose a synthesis of both of our *styles*:
|> > 
|> >  1. Still indicate accents with >, rimshots with ^.
|> >  2. Indicate taps with ., but double strokes (drags) with a colon :.
|> >  3. Flams indicated with f, chertas with a semicolon ; (maybe?)
|> >  4. Buzz or press rolls with z.
|> 
|> I agree. Did you see Pete McKinney's post on the same subject? He suggested
|> a very similar notation, with the exception of using a "," for flams. So far, 
|> I guess everyone might agree to the following:
|> 
|> . = tap
|> , = flam
|> : = drag
|> ; = cherta
|> > = accent
|> ^ = rimshot
|> z = buzz roll.

Let's add:

   _ = rest of value = to .  (as you used below Brad)
   o = ??? (as below? - I should know, but I can't remember the end
            of that passage :-) )
   

|> Here's an oldie but a goodie:
|> 
|> |4 >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >            |
|> |4 .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ..._ |
|> 
|> |2      ^^^  |
|> |4 o_o_ ..._ |
|> 
|> --Brad


 - Pete

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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: What should we call the rec.drumcorps group?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.162942.1961@netcom.com> raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee) writes:
>I haven't really been following this thread much, so forgive me if this
>is a repeat, but how about rec.arts.marching?

An RFD has been issued; discussion is being held in the group news.groups
now. If you wish to participate in the discussion, please join us there.

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: I'll try two of them
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 14:30:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>

>1.
> 
>   4/4                                accel--------
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >                       >   >   | >       > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
> 
> 
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >       > >     > >   > >   >   | > >     > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |

Santa Clara - Trepak? (1987 + 1978?)
 
>4.
> 
>   4/4
>  | ---6---      ---6---
>  | >         >      ^   >    | >  >   >   >   >    |
>  | ,__ ... ._,_ ... .__ .::: | ,:_, :_,: _,:_ .::: |  etc

Phantom Regiment (1989?)
 
                                                 am I close?
                                                    Scott
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 25 Sep 1992 14:00:47 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Sep21.211936.2881@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) says:
>
>
>Hey, this is too cool. After a little experimentation, I have come up with
>a little less readable but a bit quicker notation, based on Mikes original
>ideas. Comments and improvements are welcome. It goes something like this:
>
>        . = tap
>        A = accent
>        f = flam
>        d = drag
>        c = cherta (flam + drag)
>
>Accented flams, drags, and chertas are notated with capital F's, D's, & C's.
>Here's the first few bars of Stone Ground Seven (Vanguard '80) to test it
>out:
>
>7/8: | F... F... F.. F.. | C... C... C.. C.. | AddA AddA Add Add | A
>     | F... F... F.. F.. | C... C... C.. C.. | 4/4: AddA AdAd AAdA AddA |
>     | (repeat) | 3/4: Add Add Add Add 4/4: Addd dddd dddd dddd 2/4:
>     | A F ... .|
>
I think this is a great thread (if I do say so myself).  Maybe we could get
a standardized drum notation scheme worked up so we percussionists can
communicate (!).
 
Brad's notation has some good ideas.  Mine was just to relay a basic pattern
without all the embellishments (i.e. tap rolls, flams, drags, etc).  However,
to keep readability, I propose a synthesis of both of our *styles*:
 
  1. Still indicate accents with >, rimshots with ^.
  2. Indicate taps with ., but double strokes (drags) with a colon :.
  3. Flams indicated with f, chertas with a semicolon ; (maybe?)
  4. Buzz or press rolls with z.
 
I think we still need a two-line system, that is, a line with notes and
embellishments, another with accents and pulse info (16ths vs sextuplets,
etc.)
 
I tried to think of another *famous* example to notate using this method,
and came up with this:
 
   >      >       >        >      >      ---6--- ---6--- ---6---
|4 zzzz zzzz zzzz zzzz  |2 zzzz zz.   |3 ... ... ... ... ... ... |4
|4                      |4            |4                         |4
   pp                                      cresc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
 
   >  >   >   >   > >   >  >   >   >   > >
|4 f..f ...: :. . f f | f..f ...: :.:: . f |
|4                    |                    |
 
<<<ff
 
Recognize this one, Brad?  :) A gold star to the first one to successfully
decipher it.
 
Cheers, Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter)
Subject: Re: What should we call the rec.drumcorps group?
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:34:04 GMT

In article <30SEP199212475797@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>In article <urcat.717533877@mcl>, urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes...
>>In <1992Sep24.173727.2934@oclc.org> hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter) writes:
>> 
     [stuff deleted]>
>My suggestion (if expansion is your goal) is
>rec.music.marching
>rec.music.marching-bands
>or something of that nature
>
>Tammy

  Tammy, why don't you join the discussion on news.groups?  It is where most of
this discussion should take place, and will show that there is enough interest
in the creation of the new rec group.

            Thanks

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From: jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:17:15 GMT

In article <1asampINNb04@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
*In article <1992Oct5.234443.1@vax1.umkc.edu> eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
*>
*               (flames deleted for your protection)
*
*>Championship caliber stadiums.  The Atlanta Falcons are playing in a new
*                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*>stadium I believe; assuming that it has real seats with armrests, I would think
*>that it would be a good site.  
*
*I can't think of a good stadium in the South.

Well, the first reference was correct.  The Falcons are playing this
year in a brand new stadium (opened in August).  It is the Georgia
Dome (Yes, there's a roof).  Perhaps this might not be good for
acoustics.  But the stadium is really nice otherwise.  Who knows,
maybe trppaing the sound in would produce a neat effect (sort of
like corps playing against the backside of Arrowhead, because it's
in the round...)

*--David



-- 
Jeff Butera            DISCLAIMER: I claim absolutely nothing.
Math Graduate Student
N.C. State University    "Still looking for a witty quote." 
jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu                           -Brad Halls
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: truher@netcom.com (Joel Burke Truher)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:50:05 GMT

In article <splooie.717820599@camelot> splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:
>The coordiate system and straight path system is really good in that each
>member never needs to guide off of any other member.  He is only responsible
>for landing on his coordinate.  The belief here is that if the other guy
>is wrong, you will be wrong too if you attempt to hit your set in relation
>with him.  You will be right more often if you try to hit your set in 
>relation with the field & it's markings (hashes, numbers, X's) because the
>field is NEVER wrong.  It is fixed.  So if the set happens to be a straight
>line or a circle, that straight line or circle will be perfect if everyone
>does his job and lands on his set.

Indeed I did this in HS, but my impression of the good organizations 
was that the interval was the important thing, and guiding was
important, and whether the whole section was a step off was less
important.  It certainly looks cleaner to have a smooth line
in the wrong place than half a line in the right place and half
not.  But that was 1984, when the latest thing was Garfield's
"ugly drill," and large shapes seemed to be de-emphasized.

Joel
From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Cadets acquired famous person?
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:10:40 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Hey, did anybody else notice that Boris Becker was in the Cadets color guard
in 1992?  Check the video!!
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: c188-bu@po.berkeley.edu (Gregory German)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:12:15 GMT

This is kind of related to the above question.  Does anybody know
why there are never any real "big" shows out west?  Living here
in California, I never get to see anyone other that BD, SCV, VK,
Blue Knights, and Freelancers.  (Not to be disrespectful to the
smaller corps :))  And these shows are always at the _very_
beginning of the season before any of them are really going
strong (or even finished at times!).

Is DCI just too set in its ways to change?  Or is there some
good reason that I'm missing?  I'd like to be able to actually
see finals, or at least a regional late in the season without
having to travel thousands of miles :(

I know, Drums Along the Rockies is "out west", but it is pretty early
in the season, and a lot of corps don't go to that one.  Just
curious. . .

Greg
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Solutions to "Name that Riff"
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 10:55:25 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>
>1. 1980 Spirit of Atlanta: *Devil Went Down to Georgia*
>
>   4/4                                accel--------
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >                       >   >   | >       > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
>
>
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >       > >     > >   > >   >   | > >     > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
>
>
>2. 1981 Blue Devils: first snare statement in drum solo
>
>   4/4
>  | > >   > >   >  >  ^ |
>  | .:.: :.:. ::.: .::. |  etc...
>
>
>3. 1989 SCV: snare excerpt from opener in *Phantom of the Opera*
>
>   4/4
>  | -3- -3- -3- -3-   -3- -3-
>  | >               |                   |      >      >       |      >
>  | .:: ::: ::: ::: | ::: ::: :::: :::: | ._._ ,.._ ._,. ._,_ | :::: .
>
>
>4. 1982 Phantom Regiment: snare excerpt from 2nd drum solo
      (by the way, Brad, those are flam drags.  I've seen them written in
       the original drum parts and saw them performed.)
>
>   4/4
>  | ---6---      ---6---
>  | >         >      ^   >    | >  >   >   >   >    |
>  | ,__ ... ._,_ ... .__ .::: | ,:_, :_,: _,:_ .::: |  etc
>
>
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  7 Oct 92 02:15:45 GMT

In <BvprwG.D3G@apollo.hp.com> afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer) writes:

>in (I think) '84 when we played the halftime at some CFL (Canadian Football
>League) game. The field in the CFL is different - it's 110 yds long, with 2
>50s and a 55 in the center.

>Hilarity ensued. Well, we pit guys thought it was funny, anyway.
Yes, we had to do a show on a field like that.  It drove us nuts.  I believe
it was in 1990 when DCI North was up in Canada.  We had to ignore all the
markings that were there because they were in the wrong place & DCI had to 
put temporary markings where they were supposed to be.

Splooie!
splooie@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: owens@watson.ibm.com (David Owens)
Subject: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:43:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <splooie.717542453@camelot>, splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:
|> 
|> Speaking as a current MM, I really appreciate what we have to work with
|> today, with regard to drill design & the effeciency that the drill is 
|> taught!  

...stuff deleted...

|> take 12 counts to get there, etc. etc.  It is like connecting the dots,
|> moving from set to set in a straight path and a different step size
|> to get to each, depending on the number of counts to get there.

...stuff deleted...

|> watching Star and Cadets, I might imagine that the drill is taught a
|> little differently, because corps members do not ALWAYS take a straight
|> path to get to their sets.  It would be interesting to know how they
|> do things different..
|> 
|> SPLOOIE
|> splooie@camelot.bradley.edu


You are always told to take a straight path for each transition?  I'm
kinda surprised that drill is taught that way anywhere... especially
where I'm assuming you march.

When I marched in HS (Dartmouth MA) and drum corps (Boston) MOST 
transitions involved curved paths.  Everywhere I've taught since 
has been that way too (although many of the same people were involved.)

Where do you march?  (Cavies?)


Dave Owens
From: fjs3367@ultb.isc.rit.edu (F.J. Schwalm)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Senior Corps Finals
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:58:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: fjs3367@ultb

In article <1992Sep29.202642.29691@medtron.medtronic.com> cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero) writes:
>
>I haven't seen anyone post the total final results of the 
>DCA Championships.  I'm just a little curious what the
>results were.
>
>Does anyone know?  I only know the Empire Statesmen won, but
>that is it.  
>

Now that's news to me...  and I'm in the Empire Statesmen.  How did you
find out ES won?  According to the 'announced' scores, it was
BushWackers with a 94.7 -vs- ES with a 94.3.  'Announced' is what they
put over the loudspeakers at retreat, of course.  The judges were pretty
upset about that, I hear, especially the horn judges.  They seemed to
think (according to the scores they gave us) that we won, and the
announced scores weren't what we really got.

The crowd actually booed when ES was announced in second place.
Remember the last time that happened?  '91 DCI.  Star of Indiana won
over Cavies.  The fight over playing for the judges and playing for
the crowd.  And ES played to BOTH.  It's not easy playing the most
difficult book out there -clean- with enough entertainment to satisfy
the crowd.  Isn't difficulty supposed to be awarded more than easy stuff
if it's played clean?  Obviously not in DCA.

Another cute observation:  I received the advertisement for the DCA
tapes last week.  According to the advert, the Empire Statesmen are the
first corps on volume 1.  Isn't that spot reserved for the winner?

		Nutrocker --

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| '92 Empire Statesmen: 94.3 | We interrupt this reality to bring you the     |
+----------------------------+ following important announcement:  YOU DON'T   |
| Bass Drums Kick Brass!!!!! | EXIST  :  We now return you to your regularly  |
| fjs3367 @ ultb.isc.rit.edu | scheduled reality.                             |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:09:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <splooie.717820599@camelot> splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:
>with him.  You will be right more often if you try to hit your set in 
>relation with the field & it's markings (hashes, numbers, X's) because the
>field is NEVER wrong.  It is fixed. 

This doesn't have anything much to do with this thread, but I remember once
in (I think) '84 when we played the halftime at some CFL (Canadian Football
League) game. The field in the CFL is different - it's 110 yds long, with 2
50s and a 55 in the center.

Hilarity ensued. Well, we pit guys thought it was funny, anyway.

-A

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1992 DCI videos are out/review
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 14:06:30 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <9460@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM
(Richard Lapham) says:
>
>MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
>: I received my videos from 800 Video Express of the 1992 finals in the mail
>: yesterday.  Here is a brief synopsis of the quality of the set:
>:
>: The audio is much clearer on the tapes than on the broadcast mix, but still
>: could be improved, I feel.
>
>Is the audio you listened to from the Hi-Fi tracks of the video tape or the
>regular audio track.  The Hi-Fi stereo tracks provide audio quality
>approaching
>that of a compact disk.  I haven't received this years tapes yet but in past
>years the Hi-Fi stereo has been good, but getting the disk was worth the
>additional bucks.
 
I have my stereo VCR hooked up through a fairly high end system, so my
critique is about the hi-fi tracks.  I agree that the sound approaches
the quality of the CDs (and in some regards surpasses them, ref. my earlier
posts on CD audio quality), and also agree that the CDs are worthy of
acquisition due to the durability of the medium.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps