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From: Jonathan.Deitch@p7.f411.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jonathan Deitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:04:55 GMT
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 * Original from andrew david simchik at as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu 

Dateline Wed, 16/Dec92 03:56.

 >Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.drwho

 >In <6JJVB1A3@cc.swarthmore.edu> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) 
 >writes:

>>Here we go again...

>> [ much discussion deleted ... ]

 >To sum up: I think the McCoy era had definite and attractive possibilities,
 >spoiled by bad writing, worse acting, and bizarre production/direction. 
 >Before that, Dr. Who had been sci-fi--not always good sci-fi, but sci-fi. 
 >In the McCoy era, it was comic-book--and not ever good comic-book.  We're
 >not talking Innovation's Lestat or DC's Sandman, or even NEC's brilliant
 >Tick; we're talking Marvel's monthly wheels-o-cheese, or the abominable
 >Death of Superman issue.  UGH!

In the McCoy era, DW was written for its time slot - and that meant something
that came out quite like a comic book.  Given a decent p.m. time slot, DW
could have had *real* scripts written ... not capitulations to its time slot.

As far as DW/TNG goes ... read Imzadi by Peter David.  It's as close to a
TNG'ish DW story as you'll probably ever see.  It'd be neat if PD could
write a DW story or two ... (maybe the much rumored movie?)

- Jonathan



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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
Date: 28 Dec 1992 08:00:24 -0600
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  There was an ad for it two weeks ago here in Austin,Tx. I have not seen
or heard of it again.
"Space Ranger" might be a new Saturday show for the kid in us. :)
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: rec.arts.sf.tv
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:49:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

REC.ARTS.SF.TV Guide to New SF Shows

by Lee Whiteside   (updated 12-22-92)


New sci-fi series premiere info (No Spoilers, unless you don't want to know
when they will air) for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Space Rangers, 
Time Trax, The (New) Tomorrow People, Babylon 5.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

The series premieres the week of January 4th with the two hour movie
"The Emissary".  Hourly episodes will follow the next week.

Sat Feed Info (text from Mark Holtz's DS9 List):

The series premiere will be on the AT&T's Telstar 301 on the following times:

December 30th -  6:45 PM- 9:00 PM ET/3:45 PM- 6:00 PM PT - Transponder 19/10V
 January  2nd - 10:00 AM-12:15 PM ET/7:00 AM-12:15 PM PT - Transponder 19/10V
 January  3rd -  3:00 PM- 5:15 PM ET/   Noon- 2:15 PM PT - Transponder  9/ 5V

Audio is: 6.2 Left, 6.8 Right, 5.8 Mono.

Weekly hour shows sat feed info:

Jan  9 93 Jan 11-Jan 17 A Man Alone
Jan 16 93 Jan 18-Jan 24 Past Prologue
Jan 23 93 Jan 25-Jan 31 Babel

The series will be uplinked to the stations on AT&T's Telstar 301 on
Transponder 9 (Vertical Polarity)/5V at the following times:

Saturdays - 10:00 AM-11:00 AM ET/ 7:00 AM- 8:00 AM PT
Saturdays -  4:00 PM- 5:00 PM ET/ 1:00 PM- 2:00 PM PT
  Sundays -  4:00 PM- 5:00 PM ET/ 1:00 PM- 2:00 PM PT

Audio is: 6.2 Left, 6.8 Right, 5.8 Mono.


Space Rangers : Premieres on CBS on Wednesday, January 6th at 8 pm (ET/PT)/
7 pm (CT/MT)


Time Trax : Premieres on January 20th with a two hour movie with hourly 
episodes the following week.  This is part of the new Prime Time 
Entertainment Network (PTEN).  


The Tomorrow People - Nickelodeon - 8 p.m. ET Jan 25th.  It may run for five 
straight nights at this time.  Five one hour episodes have been produced.


Babylon 5 - The Babylon 5 movie "The Gathering" premieres the week of 
February 22nd on PTEN stations.  A series has not yet been commisioned.

Look for the B5/PTEN TV station list for stations airing Time Trax and
Babylon 5


Lee Whiteside   elw@cup.portal.com
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: The SciFi Channel stinks !! (was: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????)
Date: 1 Jan 1993 09:37:29 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <DLB.92Dec31094104@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
>  Or the old ``Twilight Zone'' episodes.  Wasn't it the USA
>network that had the all night Outer Limits marathons a while back?
>This would indicate that they are available to Sci Fi (which is owned
>by USA), and there is NO EXCUSE for not showing these on something
>that calls itself the ``Sci Fi Channel''.

I believe the Outer Limits marathons were on TNT, not USA.  This suggests
that they're in Ted Turner's portfolio (maybe they came with the MGM/UA
movie collection), and he may not have put them up for sale.
-- 
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:32:10 GMT

In article <72441@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn) writes:
>>As for most of their shows, who cares? "Oh no, they trimmed some extra
>>footage of Twiki in Buck Rogers!" heheh
>>
>>Look at who owns them. <USA network>. Look at the "to the bone" cutting
>>that USA does. Sci-Fi channel is still better than that!
>>
>
>  You haven't watched 'Battlestar Galactica' yet, then. What they've
>  done to that show is horrible. It wasn't such a good show to start
>  with, but SCI-FI's cutting has characters referring to events that
>  we never saw. (Look at 'Lost Planet of the Gods'... when exactly
>  did Adama decide to use the women as pilots? We never saw it. There
>  are a dozen more examples on this one show.)
>  
>  USA cuts QUANTUM LEAP here and there, but if you think that is bad,
>  tune in the SCI-FI channel.
>  
>  -Brian
>   
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I watch "Galactica" every night, and I am kinda glad they shorten them.
Most of the scenes you are missing were terrible. As for your 
specific example, I don't recall ever seeing that footage when it was first
shown on ABC, but I do remember wondering about it. I don;'t think it was
ever there.

"Quantum Leap" is modern and has room for high volume commercials. Galactica
is more than 12 years old and does not. Wouldn't be any better on any of
the local independants around here.

Pax
					--Judex--
PS: Are we bitching specifically at the Sci Fi channel for this? I don't think
anybody else out there would show them at all, let alone cut less out of it.
Think TBS is some sort of saint or something?

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From: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn)
Subject: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:02:02 GMT

USA network has (IMHO) some very puritanical censors working for them.  They
also feel that us SciFi viewers LOVE comercials.
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From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Characters in Quark
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:19:45 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)


In article <92357.000349SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> Adam Quark: Richard Benjamin
|> Ficus: Don't know
|> Gene/Jean: Tim Thomerson of Trancers I & II and Cherry 2000 & Iron Eagles fame
|> Betty/Betty: Cyb and Trish Barnstable, one of the few times I have ever
|>              had the hots for blondes and I was only 12...
|> 
|> and don't forget
|> Otto Bob Palindrome: Conrad Janis of Mork and Mindy and Kids from Caper fame
|> The Head: Alan Caillou
|> 
|> Scott
|> "The Galaxy Ad Infinitum"
 You are forgetting the robot that was afraid of every thing and always
willing to surrender. I'm not sure of the name (Andy maybe?) and I certainly
don't know who played it.

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From: dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk (David Bisping)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.sf.tv 
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:06:23 +0000

In article <72248@cup.portal.com> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com writes:

>REC.ARTS.SF.TV Guide to New SF Shows
>
[alot deleted]
>
>The Tomorrow People - Nickelodeon - 8 p.m. ET Jan 25th.  It may run for five 
>straight nights at this time.  Five one hour episodes have been produced.
>
The Tomorrow People is five 25 min (excluding Ad breaks) episodes.

Dave...
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From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: TNG, DSN, B5 and Time Trax all on one channel in LA
Summary: My TV may get stuck on one channel
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:32:00 PST


NO, it's not the Sci-Fi channel.  Channel 13 (KCOP) showed promos
for Time Trax and Babylon 5 today (during 6:00 showing of Roseanne)
to air in January.  No specific date was given.


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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Quarc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:23:20 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec22.023858.3879@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
>In <1h2npfINN46a@savoy.cc.williams.edu> 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young) writes:
>
>>I remember / have reminisced about with the only other Quark fan I
>>have ever found about the show. Wasn't there some kind of alien first
>>mate? I believe he was "demonstrating his native sexual practices" to
>>one of the women in the show. They both lay down with limbs in the air
>>(totally separated) and she asks
>>	"What do we do now?"
>>	"Wait for the bee"
>
>FICUS!!!!!  The pollination sequence, one of my favourites.  You have to
>include the sounds that go with it.
>"Beeeeeeeee beeeeee bee bee be be be bebebebebebebebebe"
>(rising in pitch and tempo.)
>
>Ah, this brings back memories.  Here's the crew, incomplete but all I
>can remember:
>
>Quark:	Captain, played by someone reasonably famous. (Name anyone?)

Richard Benjamin?

>Gene/Jean:  Uncertain as to his/her gender - sorta like two
>personalities in the one body.

It's Pat!

>Betty:  Actually Betties - Betty 1 and Betty 2.  Identical, played by
>identical twin sisters, each is convinced that the other one is the
>clone.
>Ficus:  A humanoid plant life form.  Seems to act vaguely like Data out
>of ST:TNG, but this series was made years before 1987.
>Any others?

I think Ficus was meant to be a parody of Spock (which, in turn, is who Data
is loosely based on).
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From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL in Entertainment Weekly
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:03:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
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In a previous article, krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights) says:

>I have to agree with Jan here.  Entertainment Weekly is one of the
>lousiest magazines it has been my lack of pleasure to read.  I subscribed
>assuming it would be a good source of entertainment news, and discovered
>that it was just a mish-mosh of a bunch of people's opinions about stuff,
>often not well supported.  Over the last few weeks they have said
>downright nasty things about John Denver, Wilson Phillips, and, of course,
>QL - twice.  Week before last they were going off on some continuity
>thing with a disappearing mustard bottle in "Moments to Live."  All I
>can say is, I've seen that ep about six times and I never saw that gaffe,
>so it must not be so bad (like, say, the travelling Band-Aid in "Her Charm").

QL wasn't the only show that they mentioned as goofs.  I just took that in
stride, knowing that continuity people can't catch everything.  After all,
they do a damn good job with Dean's cigars.

>Anyway, in this article they said something like, The only reason
>QL is popular is because people's expectations of quality have become
>so low.  They went on to make similar statements about Reasonable Doubts
>and a couple of other shows I don't remember.

The most popular shows seem to be hit all the time by this magazine.  I
figure (and hopefully I'm right) that if a show is said to be bad, it's
bound to be good.  Sort of the same feeling that I have about the movie
reviewer here in Cleveland.

>In any case, I think it is unfair for a magazine to judge an entire
>show based on one episode, which is what EW seems to have done here.

Agreed, but that's what they did.  And people who don't watch the show, get
the magazine and like it, and are curious, will take only this little
tidbit as information about it.  Not good.

>I also think, Beth, that it is unfair to castigate Don, who
>has done five years of damn good work (on this show alone, not to mention
>all the other great stuff he's graced us with), because of one ep you didn't
>like.  I know the feelings on LHO are mixed, but I don't see where
>it was an affront to QL scripture, as it were.  It was an experiment.
>It was beautifully acted.  It got the rest of this newsgroup annoyed
>because it generated so much traffic.  I think it did what it was meant to do. 

Yup.  Caused a hell of a lot of controversy. 

>And one final note -- I am canceling my subscription.  :-)

Mine was a gift and it got renewed again.


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From: Paul Tyma <3MC3CNR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject:    Highlander script -address

In response to several requests, I obtained the script for Highlander I from:

Cinema City
P.O. Box 1012
Muskegon, MI  49443

The script was about 50$ and was just a measly photocopy - not pretty at all.
However, If you're a true fan I strongly suggest it as there are many scenes
and changes never seen anywhere.

Macleod and Castigir and Bedsoe go drinking and get smashed then start
flashing back to 1783 boston commons duel.

A chinese immortal who fights Kurgan and loses.

Accounts of Rameirez' first death and his two previous meetings with
Kurgan.

Somewhat different ending (Including Rachel and Moran (the cop) going
off and living heavily ever after)

Oh Yeah, sorry .. Cinema CIty   1-616-722-7760

Good luck,
Paul Tyma
From: langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: B5: Some Babylon 5 discussion on the net?
Keywords: STAR TREK NEXT GENERATION DEEP SPACE NINE 9 BABYLON 5
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:42:42 GMT
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In article <1993Jan3.020439.18353@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm) writes:

> In article <Dec.20.19.08.18.1992.7337@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
> >> B5 will be running in primetime on Channel 9, but I have no idea at what
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> time DS9 will be shown locally,  ST:TNG is shown on Saturday nights at
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> 7:00 PM.

> In article <Jan.2.15.04.38.1993.11601@pilot.njin.net> langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein) writes:
> >From what I understand, it will be taking over ST:TNG's timeslot AFTER
> >the 2 hour premiere this thursday at 8pm. I could be wrong.

> You are wrong.  BABYLON 5 won't even appear as a series until Fall '93,
> if at all.  The new network is trying the pilot before going ahead with
> production on the series.

YOU are wrong in your analysis of my statement. I wasn't even talking
about B5, but DS9, which was the question proposed to the net.

> WPIX (channel 11 in the New York City area), ST:DSN will air 7-8 p.m.
> on *Sunday* (as opposed to *Saturday* for ST:TNG).  Both series are
> syndicated, and are shown at different times in different markets.  The
> two STAR TREK series are intended to complement each other; ST:DSN is
> not supposed to replace ST:TNG.

This information corrects my previous posts. You started with a
misunderstanding of my post, but you at least got the correct info I
was in error of. (I just learned I was wrong on the time.)

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From: andy@csource.oz.au (andrew gulovsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Galactica Question
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:41:30

 ag> hope the above is of help.. highly recommend you purchase
 ag> Battlestar Galactica #7 "WAR OF THE GODS".. well worth reading.. 
 ag> and does fill in many of the blanks left open in that ep..

 jl> I have most of the books, but a couple of months ago I
 jl> attempted to purchase the remainder of the Berkely Books set. I was
 jl> missing 7, 10,11,13,14 and ordered the four that were still in the 1991
 jl> catalogue. Nice to know that they are out of print (here in Canada, at
 jl> least). I would die to get them.

i'll see if i can locate copies of the above 5 books for ya..

unfortantly.. i is not gunna break me pride and joy set of BG novels for ya..
but have seen the novels recently in several melbourne shops still.. so i
gather they are still around if one looks hard..

ag

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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: _Space Rangers_
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:39:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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If memory serves, the show is about law enforcment officers
(like Texas rangers) in space.
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From: clark@daffy.tmc.edu (Matthew Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Capt. Power anyone?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:09:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <72459@cup.portal.com> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com writes:
>As far as I know none of the Captain Power episodes have aired other than
>in their original syndication run. They did edit together some of the 
>two part episodes into a tv movie.  The tie-in to the Mattell toys will
>probably keep them from running again, however, with J. Michael Straczynski's
>involvement in the show (script editor, writer of about six of the episodes)
>interest may pick up due to Babylon 5 (a reference is made to B5 in one of
>the CP episodes).{

He made that series watchable, if not interesting.  I really really really
wish he had released the second season so I could see exactly what
he had planeed.  (There was a STARLOG issue about it that glossed over
the 2nd season, but I want more! ^_^)


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