From: sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.history,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: The Victory of Truth over the Forces of Revisionism
Date: 23 Aug 1992 05:49:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu
Keywords: wrong analogies, wrong conclusions, an early victory

In article <1992Aug22.154206.10219@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:

>Subject: The Victory of Truth over the Forces of Revisionism

 WOW!

>Keywords: forged headers, forged postings, just like forged history

 Although this article is generated for my earlier posting, it has
nothing to do with me. I never forged an article and I don't have the
intention to do so as long as I live. It might be possible that he is
talking about the recent event, where one single Turk forged one single
article (and subsequently apologized unlike many others), I don't see
any reason to for him to include this in a reply to me. Either he wants
to create an impression that I forge articles (which is totally untrue,)
or that "Mutlu and the like" forge articles (which is baseless to my knowledge.)
For this reason, I urge the net readers not to fall to this attempt.

>In article <172b5bINNh28@agate.berkeley.edu> sadi@physics3 (Sadi Turgut), who
>I certainly categorized as having a much higher level of fascist restraint
>than is usually displayed by some on this topic, wrote: 
>
>[personal opinion deleted]
>
>[ST] Once in a while, I get sick of SDPA propaganda. Although I might not
>[ST] seem glorious without ready referances, I see it my duty not to leave such
>[ST] attempts answerless.
>
>You neither answered the points made nor added to the conversation. You simply
>congratulated the authors of "Islamic Unity" in their "inevitable victory" over
>the "infidel", yet indigenous, Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh. Good for you,

 Look. This is what happened. Somebody posted an article which evaluates
the situation from an Azeri point of view. You replied to this article
by forming an analogy between Serbia and Azarbaijan, and blamed the writers
with hypocrisy. I, as one believing that this is unwarranted, replied to
your article and showed that the analogy you mentioned does not exist as
you say, since there is a much more stronger analogy to Armenia. That is
the point I answered.

 I strongly believe that the situation in Caucasia is not simly black and
white. Your saying that one side is always right is unacceptable to me, and
I will try to counter such arguments as best as I can. This is what I am
that you called "fascist."

 Also, I never did congratulate the writers of that article. My critisizing
your reply does not give you the right to reach such a conclusion. If you
want to learn what I think, I don't have any idea about what is the best
solution to this crisis. For this reason, I try to refrain from calling
the actions of the sides by simple "rights" and "wrongs."  So,
I don't approve overzealous people to categorize them as such. If I do reply
to such an article, it is because of this, to tell people that such
conclusions are incorrect and there is always the other side of the argument.
If this is what you didn't like, then I am really sorry, I cannot change on
this point. If you didn't like my methods, then I am always open to suggestions,
and my mailbox is still functioning.

 And one last thing that I couldn't pass without mentioning. They didn't
call Armenians "infidel." This is completely your imagination. I will
always categorize such baseless statements as 'propaganda' especially
if it comes from a person like you.

>Sadi, you have really shown your color, as well as adding to the perception
>Turks themselves both promulgate and work against. 

 This is an incorrect perception. The behaviour of a few Turks on this
net is a reaction to the ones who want to create such a perception. It
is not the product of Turks.

 The rest of the article has nothing to do with me. Of course I have the
same nationality with some other persons on this net. But this doesn't mean
that I have the same opinion with those or I use the same methods, etc.
Please see my disclaimer. I didn't like your attempt of forming a similarity
between me and them, I didn't like your changing the subject 180 degrees
and talk about things which are unrelated to the current topic and me,
I didn't like your making unclear statements about some frogeries and making
an impression that I am a forger, which I am urged to bring to your attention.

 As a final word, Before declaring a victory, you should consider
the points that I was trying to make.

>David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
>SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 

 Sadi Turgut
-- 
Disclaimer: My opinions are only mine. They are not necessarily
shared by the other members of my nation, ethnic group and/or religion.
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