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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: god(Lowercase Intended)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:06:15 GMT

|> >	This is FICTION people! Y`know...make-believe!  Are we that desperate
|> >	for truth that we resort to fairy tales as the basis for a belief 
|> >	system.  Might you start reciting the "litany against fear" and 
|> >	destroying computers after reading DUNE? These stories are meant to
|> >	entertain not profess truth.  The only reliabe source of truth is the
|> >	real world around us.  Fiction presents ideas, not answers.
|> 
|> 
|> You are wrong.  How can you have questions and no answers?  Very often
|> the questions are the answers.  You may wonder how people in the world
|> outside of your own make decisions.  Let me inform you, many ideas are
|> connected to make one nimbus thought, an actual decision is based usually
|> on thousands of these random-construct thoughts.  IF it is the case
|> that I am influenced by a work of fiction, or non-fiction than so
|> be it, fuck you for thinking that I have made anything less valuable,
|> for having based it on an imagined or preceved to be imagined concept.
|> Many people spend hours a day basing their entire life on fictional
|> constructs, for example The Bible <>arguments about this go in
|> alt.atheism<> and many others.  You are also wrong when you
|> say that entertainment and truth are apart form each other.  I
|> know that in most of the rest of the peoples universe's (other than
|> mine own I mean) entertainment is where you go and have other people
|> provide a basic gratification for your attention, i.e. most of
|> Television provides sex, for me entertainment is found in learning
|> and learning of other peoples forms of the 'truth'.  This is
|> a personal statement however it is provided so that you might see
|> that truth and entertainment are not nessicarily mutually exclusive.
|> 
|> You can think anything you want, just stop trying to force me to
|> think the same way.
|> 
|> -DQ
|> God save the Queen, God bless us all.
|> 
|> 	


my only point is that truth is only reality, not necessarily what we fancy.
The chronicles exist as a shared experience and that experience, being part
of reality, is itself truth.  That doesn't, however mean that the stories, or
any concept contained within, are true.  There is a difference between what
is truth and what is true (ie:fact).  

Also, I believe it is irresponible to assume the existance or non existance
of an infinite being (god) based on notions gained from a finite experience
(a few sentences of fiction).  Why didnt the reader come to the conclusion
that there is no being which fits his/her concept of god but that a being
"beyond conception" may so exist?  Instead, a few lines of fiction led them
to deduce that there is no god in ANY conception and that to search for the
concept by which god may be understood(truth) is futile.  It is our
responsibility to search for this "truth" in any way within our means and 
our curse to be forever confused about truth by what is true.

			FLAME AWAY!!!!!
From: rougan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Untitiled)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:48:23
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:07:04 GMT

In article <BvKwru.JJq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:


>   I think a correction in this thread might be made 
>   for the sake of the scientific method.
>   While we  may not believe that vampires exist
>   we only can say that is our HYPOTHESIS.  Granted, all evidence is pointing 
>   towards the non-existance of their 'powers' all we can say, therefore, is
>   that they likeley do not exist.  

   Ok then....by your logic I can say that...."I believe that their are a bunch
of invisable little people running around who hardly interact wiht us except to
hide our keys and do other little things that we find annoying...and that if we
could see them they would look all look like Gonzo from the muppets except for
the fact that they were diapers on their heads and a watch around their noses.
I also believe that dogs can talk but prefer not to....and that rocks are 
intelligent but have a real hard time expressing themselves.   Now prove me
wrong.  If you do ' I'll just say that your scintific methods are garbage,
because at one time scientists thought: dirty rags gave birth to maggots,
the earth didn't move and was the center of the universe, all things were made
from four elements namely fire,earth,air, and water, etc.  So how do we know 
that our methods of today wont be proven bogus in a few years."



>   To state that, no matter what, vampires do not exist, is to display the
>   same superstition that 'rational types' discarded about 300 years ago!
    
So what do you do when a black cat crosses your path?

>   -- 
>   Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
>   irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Mrax

Shawn "I'm an invader from mars prove me wrong!" Pezzuto
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Friday, 25 Sep 1992 19:10:19 EST
From: Rochelle Ribeiro <NEWSGATE@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Anne Rice

I was wondering if anyone knows if Anne Rice is planning
on anymore mummy books.  I thought The Mummy was the
first in a series.  Unless I am mistaken I haven't seen
any other book in the series.

/Rochelle
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From: felis@wucs1.wustl.edu (Felis Lynx)
Subject: Re: god(Lowercase Intended)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:27:35 GMT

In article <6_lzccf@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.214318.159951@zeus.calpoly.edu>, molsen@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark David Olsen) writes:
>|> In article <92272.032804SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> Sean Rearick <SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|> >Just like to make a comment.  I've been an athiest for the past 6 years.
>|> >While this may not interest anyone, the reason for my desicion is from
>|> >'The Vampire Lestat'.  Before reading it I hadn't really thought about god,
>|> >just sort of took it for granted.  However, the part in the book, when
>|> >Lestat realizes that there is no god, got me thinking.  I basicaly
>|> >decided that he was right.  Anyone else's life affected by the 'Vampire
>|> >Chronicles' this strongly?
>|> 
>|> I have to agree with what is said here.  I have been an athiest for a good
>|> number of years now and the 'Vampire Chronicles' only strengthened my
>|> beliefs.  'The Queen of the Damned' led me to beleive the reality of spirits
>|> (plus other events in my life have aided in this) but the Legend of the
>|> Twins definately helped.  It is one of the first 'histories' of early man
>|> that I feel makes sense.  Anyway, just wanted to throw my two bits in.
>|> 
>
>
>	This is FICTION people! Y`know...make-believe!  Are we that desperate
>	for truth that we resort to fairy tales as the basis for a belief 
>	system.  Might you start reciting the "litany against fear" and 
>	destroying computers after reading DUNE? These stories are meant to
>	entertain not profess truth.  The only reliabe source of truth is the
>	real world around us.  Fiction presents ideas, not answers.
>
>
>	

What's wrong with FICTION?  There's a work of fiction that a LARGE number of
people have been taking as the basis for their lives for many centuries now.
I'll agree, it's not that bad, and it does has some basis in fact.  But the
authors didn't seem to know when to quit.  They kept dragging out sequels in
order for people to keep following or just to make a buck.  Quite a bit like
the Dragonlance series, and I've seen how some people can react to the
Dragonlance series....  Coming back to the first point, what's wrong with
basing some of your life on fiction?  There are some very interesting ideas
buried in a lot of books.  Is there anything wrong with using these ideas or
mutating them into something they like better.  The whole world is based on
personal belief, and not necessarily on personal experience....

Felis Lynx
From: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca (John Fleming)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Pronouncing Cuthulu
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge

In article <92278.171505JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  (1) - This is alt.vampyres, not alt.nameless.ones...
>  (2) - Koo-tool-hoo...
>                       -Jonathan :)

   You are wrong on #2.  According to the back of CoC 4th ed., its:

              KUH-THOOL-HOO.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: Night People
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:25:35 GMT

In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
> (...among other things, all essentially saying the same thing...)
>	Oh, I NEVER assume anything (unlike you).  I'm always VERY
>open minded, and should a vampire turn out to come and visit me and prove
>he exists, I would be MORE than happy to prostrate myself over internet in a
>humble apology to all vampires.  However, since none have come forth and 
>PROVED their existence in the few years that humanity has been around, I'm not
>going to live in a delusional fantasy brought on by a romantic longing and
>inability to separate reality from fiction.

Never say never.  Or always.  You are making a classic mistake here.  You
seem to be saying that since a lack off evidence supporting the existence
of immortal vampires exists, then that by definition means that they don't.
All it really means is that you can't say for certain either way.  Unless
you can come up with conclusive proof that they don't exist (as opposed to
lack of proof for the contrary), you'll never be able to say for certain.

I myself don't really believe that they exist, though I like the idea and
would welcome them if they do.  On the other hand, I don't disbelieve that
they exist, either.  Until there is conclusive proof one way or the other,
vampires are like God: a possibility.

-- 
Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly
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From: jennings@halcyon.com (James Jennings)
Subject: *Will* there be vampires?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:28:52 GMT

A lot of people have been discussing whether there are, or were
vampires. My question is, will there be vampires?

Suppose that plastic surgery/genetic engeneering advance to the point so
that anyone who wanted to look like Einstein, or Marilyn Monroe, or Vlad
the impaler could do so. Suppose that if they wanted to have a working
set of wings they could do so. Suppose if they wanted to have excellent
night vision, live on a liquid protein diet, and have unusual
teeth, they could do so. Are there a lot of people who would? Are
there a lot of people reading this newsgroup who whould?

And how much of the vampire myth do you suppose is replicatable with
some conceivable technology?

James
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:37:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>In <1992Oct2.070029.26307@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> tarrall@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dead Queen) writes:
>
>>fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>
>>>>	Carol Page is the author of a book on modern vampires and victims
>>>>and even vampire hunters.  "Blood Lust -- Conversations with Real Vampires"
>>>>Through her bodyguard during the interviews for her book comes an offer to
>>>>be on TV.
>>>	Oh, come on!  Where do they find these people?  THERE ARE NO SUCH
>>>THINGS AS VAMPIRES!!!!  Get a clue!  It's okay for a fun fantasy, but let's
>>>try to keep things in perspective!  This woman is making some fast money
>>>off those people stupid enough to believe in such rubbish!

Perhaps the 'vampire' she is referring to are more mentally disturbed
people who vaguely fit the mythological description of vampire (usually
the thirst for blood).  I have not read the book, and until I get 
around to it (if at all) I will personally refrain from making snap
judgements about the author's motives.

An interesting note.  Porphyria (I think it is spelled that way), which
I am under the assumption is an inheirited disease, causes shrinking of
the gums, a reduced ability to metabolize protiens(sp?), pain and/or
extreme burning when exposed to sunlight, and madness.  It was a fairly
common syndrome in inbred royalties (but is not unheard of in commoners),
and has been postulated that Porphyriacs were mistaken to be 
mythological vampires.  

Any Comments?



-- 
Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Maxr
From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:57:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <ROUGAN.92Oct4164823@wpi.WPI.EDU> rougan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Untitiled) writes:
>In article <BvKwru.JJq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
(stuff deleted)
>>   While we  may not believe that vampires exist
>>   we only can say that is our HYPOTHESIS.  Granted, all evidence is pointing 
>>   towards the non-existance of their 'powers' all we can say, therefore, is
>>   that they likeley do not exist.  
>
>   Ok then....by your logic I can say that...."I believe that their are a bunch
>of invisable little people running around who hardly interact wiht us except to
>hide our keys and do other little things that we find annoying...and that if we
>could see them they would look all look like Gonzo from the muppets except for
>the fact that they were diapers on their heads and a watch around their noses.
>I also believe that dogs can talk but prefer not to....and that rocks are 
>intelligent but have a real hard time expressing themselves.   Now prove me
>wrong.  If you do ' I'll just say that your scintific methods are garbage,
>because at one time scientists thought: dirty rags gave birth to maggots,
>the earth didn't move and was the center of the universe, all things were made
>from four elements namely fire,earth,air, and water, etc.  So how do we know 
>that our methods of today wont be proven bogus in a few years."

 You're right. You can make the claim, and unless evidence can be presented
showing that you're wrong, it's valid. This doesn't make it likely, though.
The most commonly accepted theories are that vampyres don't exist, and that
little invisible creatures ... don't either. We don't *know* either of these
to be true, however. That's what a theory is -- an unproven supposition that
explains the known facts. If you can prove the nonexistence of vampyres, great,
but don't claim that we can be certain they don't exist simply on the basis of 
a lack of data to the contrary.
>
>>   -- 
>>   Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
>>   irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Mrax
>
>Shawn "I'm an invader from mars prove me wrong!" Pezzuto
>
				The Fool
				    ;-)
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From: tarrall@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Pavaroti the Clown)
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood (a bit about Christain vampyres.)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:00:07 GMT

watanabe@orion.oac.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:

>In article <markus.43.717863735@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:

.....deleted..
>another person said:

>>	Just one question.  Someone said Vapires predate christianity? How
>> so? I don't think so.

>well the most common myths dont, but if vampires exist,
>then they probably existed before christ was born

Yes indeed, There are a number of references in the Bible, that I remember
reading, in which characters who go around drinking blood, and drinking
of blood itself is said to be 'unclean' in that biblical sort of cleanliness
and such.  Biblical scholars will have to go and find you exact quotes.
This means two things to me, one, people must have been 'all about' drinking
blood or at least thinking of it for the bible to mention it, and second
the bible, certainly a very 'well-read' book must have helped considerably
in spreading fear of vampyre-like creatures, and such 'satanic'
creatures must have been feared by many.  Vampyres must have
been thought to abound in unknown mysterious places where all of
satan's children, and the like, are free to play.


-PC

God save the Queen, God bless us all.





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From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Night Music
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:37:51 GMT

To the person who post this story, do you know when you will be posting more
of it?  It's a great story so far.

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Iman
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:33:32 GMT

Iman also played the shape changer creature in Star Trek VI that
Kirk, as usual, gets to kiss.
id <m0mbFya-0000J3C@crash.cts.com>; Sat, 3 Oct 92 13: 21 PDT
	id <j346013@pro-amber.cts.com>; Sat,  3 Oct 92 12: 46 PDT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: White Wolf
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:46:35 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

Is there a rep from White Wolf online here?

ProLine:  rsopicki@pro-amber
Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-amber!rsopicki
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From: Michael Kraizman <s5lx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21: 06:51 GMT
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:01:44 GMT

In article <markus.43.717863735@clement.info.umoncton.ca> MARC
PAULIN, markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca writes:
>	C'mon!!  Do you really think a vawpire can go in a church??  The 
>wampires in 'Innocent Blood' doesn't have fangs.  They chew their
victims' 
>neck and then suck their blood.  I found the movie stupid.  They're
not 
>vapires.

Well, that all depends on what you mean by vampires.  If you mean
that they're
not fang bearing neck puncturers, then you're right. However if you
mean thay
they're not blood drinkers then you are way off base.   As far as
I'm concerned,
anything that drinks blood for sustenence is a vampire, be it living
or undead.


Misha
s5lx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Varney the Vampire?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:18:41 GMT

In article <BvEv1w.83C@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the entire story.  I know you can
>get an excerpt in the Penguin Book of Vampires, but I want the whole thing.
>Do they still publish it?
>
>	-Casey 
>	hopkins@agora.rain.com

Check with Dover Press, as they're the ones who reissued it.  I don't
think it's on their current list, although I may be wrong.  If it's out
of press, your best bet might be a good used book store.  (On the other
hand, if you just want to read it, check your University library.)

Cheers -
	Claude
From: kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Lillith
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:43:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Oct2.202015.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>	Whoa.... hang on.  As a recovering Catholic, I thought I'd throw in my
>$.02.. Lillith was *not* one of the "fallen" with Lucifer... she was Adam's
>first wife.  God created Lillith out of the dust along with Adam, thereby
>making her equal to Adam.  Adam apparently didn't like the fact that Lillith

Ummm... wait a minute.  Wasn't Eve created from Adam?  (As in God borrowed
one of Adam's ribs and made her?)  I heard of Lillith before in a few 
discussions of satanism and such, but I didn't know where she came from or
anything....  Where does it talk about her in the Bible?  


Also- the mark that was left on Cain has been said to be the mark of vampirism.
I don't know if it's true or not....

kat
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:32:06 GMT

/There are people who would like to be vampires (yours truly included) and
/would happily play along in that role for a tv show.

/And then, there are those people who have drunk human blood before...
/(yours truly being one of these again.)


why would you want to be a vampyer(note funky new spelling!)?  Could you
kill a person now, as a mortal?  If not, how could you do it as a vampyer?
Would you really want to be mortally vulnerable to something so plentiful
as sunlight?  would you want to be superman if half the world was made
of kryptonite and everyone wanted to give you some? (there may be better
analogies)

I sure hope the blood you drank was either your own or HIV-.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: Lillith
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:56:22 GMT

Lillith was the first wife of Adam. She has been edited out of the bible
over the years. Talk to some people who are Jewish, they could probly 
explane it to you. We just finished with this discusion on alt.pagen.

ELF-KIN
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 06:08:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>	I am more than mentally equipped to deal with impossibilities.  In
>my physics classes, I enjoy trying to prove theories of time travel.  Because,
>unlike vampires, time travel is a definite possibility.  It CAN exist in our
>world.  We know of phenomena, such as wormholes, that PROVE time travel is 
>possible in some format or another.

Huh? What universe are >you< living in, eh?
Black Holes are still considered theoretical, and you're 'proving' the existance
of wormholes? Proving the existance of time travel?

Have you published any of these shattering theories or are you just going to
sit on them for now?
r.
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