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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:35:55 -0400
From:         ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      Castro vs. Batista

 Greetings and Salutations
 Both were/are bad, but wasn't Batista's repression more random than Castro's
 systematic repression of those he doesn't like, ala Stalin?
   Didn't the US support Batista for pragmatic reasons, as in the late fifties,
 the anticipated alternative looked so much worse? And also why should the
 average American of the time have cared about what was going on in Cuba?
 Wasn't Cuba one of the prime holiday spots, much as Acapulco is today?
   A question about current policy/events: Why does the US keep up its embargo
 of Castro? and part 2) Why does the US keep Gitmo - and pay for it each year,
 as agreed with the Cubanos many regimes ago?
   Aren't the only differences between Batista's Cuba and Castro's Cuba 1)
 Systematic versus random repression; 2) The United States' reaction to the
 regimes; and 3) Those regimes' attitudes and reations to the US?
   As I recall, initially, most Americans supported Castro, until news of his
 mass murders (read: executions) became public, and Castro began attacking the
 US.
   Why should the US be supportive towards someone who attacks the US and who
 nationalizes private property of both citizens and corporations of the US? Why
 should the US be altruistic at all?

                          The love of peace and
 Jim Emmons                the unwillingness to fight
 <icjme@asuacad>           never kept anyone out of trouble.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:53:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Arthur M. Schlesinger,

Daniel Foss is right to point to Schlesinger's biases as court
historian and cold-war liberal. I, too, read him when I was a
boy.
But, I wonder whether Schlesinger's narrative of the fascist
alternatives being canvassed in the early 1930s is not a
reasonable starting-place to learn about Gerald L.K. Smith,
Dr. Townsend, "EPIC," the Radio Priest, &c.?

Denis Paz
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From:         "Peter D. Junger" <junger@SAMSARA.LAW.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anarchism
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I was around when Castro came to power.  And as I recall he seemed
a tremendous improvement over Baptista.

Still does, as a matter of fact.

Peter D. Junger

Case Western Reserve University Law School, Cleveland, OH
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:41:50 EDT
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anarchism
              20 Jul 1992 23:39:12 CDT from <LHNELSON@UKANVM.BITNET>

Itz IvEr Johnston, not IvOr.

Lenny
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:35:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anarchism

>and cultural style after, no doubt aided Castro's rise to power and
>continues to influence Cuban attitudes towards the US.

That explains why all the Cuban refugees sail for Haiti and Jamaica
and pass Florida by.
                           Bill Sjostrom
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:40:56 EDT
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: On the deaths of the Romanov family ...
              21 Jul 1992 18:50:00 CST from <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>

I think of the Romanovs as victims rather than villians.  It is obvious
that Nicky wanted to do the right thing, but he just did not have capable
advisors of the right kind.

That story could have very well have gone in another direction.

Lenny
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:43:04 EDT
From:         Michael <MMORSE@VM1.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Pouring sharkbait on troubled waters.

Dear Lynn Nelson,
  The evident question before the floor is whether Castro and Batista
are slimebuckets, not what Count Gobineau thinks of their parents.
  <<Why has no one brought up the question of racism?>>
  Because: until now, no one has tossed in the sharkbait of "mixed"
and "pure" blood. (Was your posting a put-on, by any chance?)
MWM
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:21:52 BST
From:         Christopher Currie <c.currie@CLUS1.ULCC.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: AIDS and CAWKI
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>
>
> I am just wondering whether the AIDS epidemic is the beginning of the
> extinction of homo sapiens sapiens in our own time.
>
Strictly Denis Paz is right that this is a future issue so we must wait and
see. But I do not see any fundamental difference between the epidemiology
of Aids and that of syphilis during the centuries in which that disease
was incurable. Although in theory no resistance is possible because the
virus attacks the immune system itself, in practice the placenta appears
to serve as a resistance mechanism since only a minority of the babies
born to HIV-positive women have HIV. The last figure I saw was 14 per cent.

  Of course if the virus can mutate to a form in which it is
more easily transmissible -e.g. a respiratory form - then we may face
extinction. Certainly Aids will be a demographic and economic catastrophe
in parts of Africa and a serious burden in the U.S. But since syphilis
did not exterminate humanity, why should Aids? It could of course produce
a further demographic shift towards the predominance of the Islamic countries.

Christopher
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:07:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Meet John Doe

I believe the film Mike Cosgrove was referring to is "Being There," based
on the late Jerzy Kosinsky's book of the same title. VMS
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:43:00 EDT
From:         32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Fidel Castro on Racism

Lynn,
        I think your statement about the North American concentration on race
is correct, as far as it goes.  "Race" as a concept here is for the most part,
is limited to skin color.  Hence all persons of Asian,  and `Spanish' ancestry
are percieved as a monolithic group.  Part of our continuing problems in
foreign affairs (to say nothing of domestic)is this insistance of not seeing
that skin color is just one differentiation.  Lingustic/ethnic/tribal
differences can be equally profound, but the U.S. government, like many of
its citizens seems only to consider this when these groups are killing each
other.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:09:49 EDT
From:         Anne Kearney <JCCANNEK@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Frustrated office seeker
              20 Jul 1992 23:14:04 EDT from <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>

On Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:14:04 EDT Daniel A. Foss said:
>
>   From James A. Garfield we appear to have got Garfield the Cat, and if so,
>because the man was a symbol of bourgeois mediocrity. This is a redundancy,
>actually, because according to a book called The Merchant Class of Medieval
>London, "mediocris" was the Latin for "small merchant" in the fourteenth
>century.
>
If memory serves Garfield was one of our better educated presidents who
was truly born in a log cabin, worked on a canal, knew Hebrew and Greek
and was president of Hiram College.

ANNE KEARNEY
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:26:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anarchism

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:32:24 -0400 "MARIO S. DE PILLIS"
<AHAB000@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU> said:

> Enfin,  may Latin America needed a Protestant Reformation in its
> history.

Pobre Latin America! That's the last thing it needs! The Protestant
Reformation turned the church into a department of state, and
strengthened the power of the state. Latin America IS getting a
sort of Protestant Reformation in the form of proliferating
Evangelical Protestant denominations, but that's the last place
to look to for social justice.

Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:14:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anarchism

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:52:52 EDT Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
>
> executions . . .                                                      s
> performed in a soccer stadium,
> because that was the only holding pen/firing squad facility large enough
> to accomodate the activity.
>

Why did the name "Pinochet" suddenly leap into my
mind?

Denis Paz
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:51:22 EDT
From:         Anne Kearney <JCCANNEK@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Castro

On Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:41:25 EDT Lenny said:
>Who is "FRD"?  And why should he give Castro money?
>
>Lenny
Sorry about that Lenny!  It is, of course, FDR.  I have no idea why he
should have give little Fidel money.  All I know is that he wrote and
asked for a $1.00.

ANNE KEARNEY
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:48:45 EDT
From:         DAF <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: AIDS and CAWKI

I think if women continue to be as shrewd and sensible about men as they have
been in the past Brother Adler may have a point because they will not go near
either of us so we can neither catch AIDS or spread it. Rationally-calculating
and cost-benefit-analyzing women will rather select Normal men, who are likely
to be attractive also to women other than themselves hence enhancing or
facilitating the transmission of AIDS regardless of which member of which
gender has it. Point of Information: Brother Adler is by convention the more
Huamn and the Nicer of the two of us.
DAF
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:04:21 EDT
From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: AIDS and CAWKI

Carol,

   I shall refrain from agitating the Woman Question today because yesterday
I got called Sexist for saying, "The reason women consistently measure more
Deviant than men on standardized tests is, Reality [as opposed to the
empirically observable] is by definition gendered masculine, inclusive of
Science and Objectivity, else why should anybody take it seriously?"

   I suspect that what underlies this currnet HISTORY list thread on AIDS is
a story published in this morning's Newsday (the local daily paper) to the
effect that there have been a number of cases of AIDS reported, in particular
in The Netherlands, where *no evidence of the presence of HIV (Human
Immunodeficiency Virus) was found*. Which is highly disturbing. The story does
not say, "a mutant strain of HIV," or "HIV spread by a new method presumably
by reason of mutation," but *no evidence* of HIV.

   Yes, I still believe in the germ theory of disease. No, I am still not
afraid of eating off the floor. Elsewise, I do not know what to think.

Daniel A. Foss
"You never know WHOSE germs or on that thing [toilet seat in Circle Theater
movie house]." - Gussie Foss, 1944. My first introduction to racism.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:47:38 EDT
From:         Michael <MMORSE@VM1.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Saint Jeanne

Dear Lenny,
  You're shooting from the hip *again*, old boy; sticking up for
good old-fashioned U.S. Imperialism is tremendously exhilarating,
but requires the proper intellectual *instruments*: the CORRECT tool
to use in defending Batista/Somoza etc. over Castro/Ortega is the
astoundingly learned distinction drawn by Jeanne Kirkpatrick (HEY,
who sez duh right wing's just a buncha goons who steal pension funds
to get rich? Dis dame's a *intellectual*!). This deep scholar's researches
point to the difference between an *authoritarian* regime (not so bad,
really, client of the white hats but not white hoods, have the good taste
to bury the bodies they don't fling from heliocopters) and a *totalitarian*
regime (BOO, hiss, BOO!!, no redeeming social importance, definitely NOT a
client state of the white hoods, sorry, white hats). Frau Professor Doktor
K. makes one heckuva bangup case for the difference between dying in the
two systems, too: if you die at the hands of totalitarians, it's to be
expected, because they are inherently evil in the first place, because
they DON'T BELIEVE IN A LOVING GOD; authoritarian regimes, on the other
hand, have accepted Christ as their personal saviour, and therefore aren't
really killing you, they're sending you to your reward; in a very *real*
sense, then, you're truly dead in the first case, but blessed with eternal
in the second (assuming in both cases that you've never had a child out
of wedlock).
Hope This Helps!
Michael
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:02:00 EDT
From:         32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: On the deaths of the Romanov family ...

Dennis,
        It there certainly seems to be a section of the Russian population
that wants to return to those thrilling days of a mythical yesteryear when
the Little Father looked out for everyone, and the Jews knew their place.

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:39:21 EDT
From:         James P Love <LOVE@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      GATEWAY/WINDO ALERT

From:     chris@essential.org (Chris Lewis)
Subject:  Gateway/WINDO Action Notice
Date:     July 29, 1992


GATEWAY/WINDO Action Notice:

ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!

The Congress is running out of time to consider S. 2813, the GPO
Gateway to Government, and H.R. 2772, the GPO Wide Information
Network for Data Online (WINDO), legislation this year. These
bills would provide for single point on-line access to government
information through the Government Printing Office (GPO).

The House Committee on Administration and the Senate Committee on
Rules and Administration will likely meet to mark up these bills
before the scheduled August 13 congressional recess.

It is critical that members of these committees, and their
staffs, hear from supporters of the legislation over the next two
weeks if these bills are to pass the Congress this year.

Phone calls to members and their staff are most needed, but
written letters are appropriate as well.  All communication
should emphasize the need for expanded public access to federal
data bases and the simple and efficient good government approach
incorporated in these two bills.

Members of congress can be reached by phone through the Capitol
switchboard at 202/224-3121.  Mail to Senators should be
addressed:  The Honorable ______, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC
20510.  Mail to Congressmen/women should be addressed: The
Honorable _______, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, DC
20515.

Members of the Committee on House Administration of the House of
Representatives are:

Charlie Rose, NC                   Bill Thomas, CA
Frank Annunzio, IL                 William Dickinson, AL
Joseph Gaydos, PA                  Newt Gingrich, GA
Leon Panetta, CA                   Pat Roberts, KS
Al Swift, WA                       Paul Gilmor, OH
Mary Rose Oakar, OH                James Walsh, NY
Bill Clay, MO                      Mickey Edwards, OK
Sam Gejdenson, CT                  Bob Livingston, LA
Joe Kolter, PA                     Bill Barrett, NE
Martin Frost, TX
Tom Manton, NY
Marty Russo, IL
Steny Hoyer, MD
Gerald Kleczka, WI
Dale Kildee, MI

Members of the Committee on Rules and Administration of the
Senate are:

Wendell Ford, KY                   Ted Stevens, AK
Claiborne Pell, RI                 Mark Hatfield, OR
Robert Bryd, WV                    Jesse Helms, NC
Daniel Inouye, HI                  John Warner, VA
Dennis DeConcini, AZ               Bob Dole, KS
Al Gore, TN                        Jake Garn, UT
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Christopher Dodd, CT
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:40:34 EST
From:         "Sidney W. Kitchel" <kitchel@OCTOPUS.DPSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: On the deaths of the Romanov family ...
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Lenny writes:
|->
|-> I think of the Romanovs as victims rather than villians.  It is obvious
|-> that Nicky wanted to do the right thing, but he just did not have capable
|-> advisors of the right kind.

	If memory serves, when Nicky heard about the outbreak of the
Russo-Japanese War, he was on the tennis court. The "right thing" at
that juncture was to finish the match, since that was the most
pressing piece of business.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:46:46 EDT
From:         "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Rumors wanted

   As you know, from time to time this writer has output or generated essays of
a peculiar character which he, that is, I, call "thingies" or, starting today,
"Gonzo theory."(*) I had intended to keep this stuff on a high macrotheoretical
level, contaminated by my own silliness to be sure. On Sunday, however, Meet
The Press' panel of journalist guests bruited about certain rumors as to the
sanity of George Herbert Bush, our local Chief of State. I had known that the
British periodical Economist published similar intimations of Presidential
madness last month, and today I'm told that Der Spiegel has carried suchlike
stuff. Has anyone heard anything from any other foreign sources and, if so,
how long ago?

Daniel A. Foss,
who had been hoping that Crisis analysis might be kept free of the diagnostic
mess that mars so much of 19th and 20th century Russian history, for example.
-----------------
(*) In 1973 (? I forget) Hunter S. Thompson published a connected series of
election-campaign vignettes as Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail. What
Thompson did for raw data I'd wanted to do for theory. And imagining the
present in historical perspective. But that's The Most Grandiosity Ever Told.
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