HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bdm@anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Even *more* responses from. . . .Ralph
Reply-To: bdm@anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:09:34 GMT

In article 57295@cup.portal.com, Paktor@cup.portal.com (David L Paktor) writes:
>
>In article:  <1992Apr4.033710.4665@midway.uchicago.edu>
>    gross@befvax.uchicago.edu (Leon Gross)
>    cites article:  <1992Mar24.143230.18311@ircam.fr>
>    From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
>
>    which lists, among others:
>
>>   One participant of the 1982 conference was Issa Nakhleh, head of the   
>>   Palestine Arab Delegation, an extremist pro-PLO group originally formed
>>   by the notorious Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who broadcast from Nazi      
>>   Germany to the Arabs in the Middle East.  In the US, Nakhleh has       
>>   associated in recent years with Western Front, an antisemitic          
>>   organisation.
>
>Well, I don't know much about him, but I can say with some certainty
>    that Issa Nakhleh is none too smart.
>
>Nazis regard Arabs as "untermenschen", too.

This is true.  It is interesting to note that the Nazis found the
Mufti acceptable because they thought (from his appearance?) that
he had Causcasian or Aryan blood which "enables us to expect from
[him] the faithfulness of an ally of which pure Arab blood would
be incapable".  See p263, 315 of L. Hirszowicz, The Third Reich and
the Arab East".

>[...more deleted by bdm..]
>David

Brendan.

Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:10686 soc.rights.human:1385
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 12:31:40 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.rights.human
Subject: B'zelem to document Palestinian human rights violations

B'Zelem, the human rights organization in Israel, after much
internal debate has decided to start documenting and cataloging
human rights abuses of Palestinians by Palestinians.  To date,
580 Palestinians have been killed by their brethren since the
start of the Intidata.  Of those, 74 were women and of those 74
women, 15 were nurses killed within the confines of a hospital.

Two weeks ago a two year old baby was stabbed to death as punishment
for her accused mother being a collaborator.  This past weekend
Yediot Aharanot has a story of the repeated (three times) gang rape
of the wife of a collaborator by Palestinian gangs.

I am glad that finally someone will be documenting these human rights
atrocities.

Hank Nussbacher
Karnei Shomron
Israel
From: sgoldste@nunki.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Libyans
Date: 9 Apr 1992 12:36:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

Col. Moammar Gaddhafi was quoted on NPR as saying that "Libya would never
surrender them [accused bombers of Flight 103] to a Christian Nation."

I'd say it's the perfect opportunity for Israel.

'nuff sed.

-- 
Samuel Goldstein accepts sole responsibility for the above article.
(C) 1992 Inimitable Imageware          |--------------------\
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From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Subject: Re: Iran bombs "guerilla" bases in Iraq
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.202815.2675@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

>> [David F. Skoll's stuff deleted...sorry David]


I have substituted PLO for the MKO (amond other relavent)changes:
 watch this....

>. I believe that the Palestinian Liberation Organization is a violent
>oppresive party which has its own interest placed well above that of the
>Palestinian people. On the occasions that the PLO has infiltrated Israel, it
>is my understanding that not [all*] the local villagers have embraced them as
>liberators nor cooperated with them and consequently the PLO have killed
>many of them as Israeli sympathizers. . .  The violence that they carried out
>against Israeli embassies and missions throughout Europe and South America
>and Asia,  the taking of hostages at various times for a
>while, the killing of Israeli Athletes,etc. is testimony to the nature of
 this organization. 

	[Stuff deleted]. 

* I added 'all' to make the statment more truthful.


You see the MKO and the PLO are bery similar in tactics, yet I have never seen
Brad criticize the PLO.  I guess since Israel isn't the target of the MKO,
it's bad.

								-Manu

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)


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Subject: Re: Iran bombs "guerilla" bases in Iraq
Summary: 
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Distribution: 
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Keywords: 

In article <1992Apr6.202815.2675@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

>> [David F. Skoll's stuff deleted...sorry David]


I have substituted PLO for the MKO (amond other relavent)changes:
 watch this....

>. I believe that the Palestinian Liberation Organization is a violent
>oppresive party which has its own interest placed well above that of the
>Palestinian people. On the occasions that the PLO has infiltrated Israel, it
>is my understanding that not [all*] the local villagers have embraced them as
>liberators nor cooperated with them and consequently the PLO have killed
>many of them as Israeli sympathizers. . .  The violence that they carried out
>against Israeli embassies and missions throughout Europe and South America
>and Asia,  the taking of hostages at various times for a
>while, the killing of Israeli Athletes,etc. is testimony to the nature of
 this organization. 

	[Stuff deleted]. 

* I added 'all' to make the statment more truthful.


You see the MKO and the PLO are bery similar in tactics, yet I have never seen
Brad criticize the PLO.  I guess since Israel isn't the target of the MKO,
it's bad.

								-Manu

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)


-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            

Do unto others before they do unto you.
I'd rather be in Paris than here.
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Jordanian emissary tours Israel
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:04:28 GMT

In article <dfs.703171380@ro>, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>From "The Globe and Mail", 10 April 1992:
>
>JERUSALEM(AP) -- A royal Jordanian polo pony that threw its trainer
>and swam to Israel was send back home yesterday, carrying a plea from
>schoolchildren to King Hussein for peace.  The army transported the
>grey gelding to Yotvata, about 38 kilometres north of the Israeli port
>of Eilat, and turned him over to a United Nations officer, who led him
>to waiting Jordanian soldiers.
>
>The horse, owned by Crown Prince Hassan, the brother of King Hussein,
>galloped into the sea at the Jordanian port of Aqaba on Tuesday and
>swam ashore at Eilat.  The wayward horse was stabled during his visit
>to Israel, and was befriended by children, who comed, fed and rode the
>pony.
>
>[What a great story compared to Hezbollah, Sharon, war, hate, etc...]

I saw a nice picture of a Israeli soldier walking with the horse.
[My sentence could have been written by a 10 year-old :) ]

>--
>                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
>David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
>|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
> / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
>_____|________________________________________________________________________

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Well, it isn't quite over yet (was Re: Latest Report on Patriots)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:18:56 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Apr03.150041.163792@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:

>For every story, true or false, there is always some grain of truth involved.

>Reports like this were pretty much
>squashed in the past, in the interest of the American/Israeli relationship.
>You can be sure that if another Bush administration official (especially state
>department or pentagon) is smeared the way Baker was, or if Likud officials
>persists in their demagoguery in exploiting the Holocaust and drawing indirect
>comparisons between the Bush administration and Hitler, this report will get
>the attention it probably deserves.
>
>It isn't wise to play hardball with the folks who exert considerable control
>over not only the purse strings, but a good portion of your security apparatus
>(namely, the American military technology that forms the core of Israel's
>defenses).

Actually, the reality may be entirely different.  Israel isn't about to
shoot itself in the head for the sake of China.  The Bush administration,
though, has been bending over backwards to give things to China.  It is
entirely conceivable that Bush has delivered some goodies to China via
Israel (he is an old CIA head spook, you know) and is now double-crossing
the Israelis and blaming them for taking the initiative on this.  The 
available facts will not clarify the picture, I'm afraid, and none
of the parties will be able to completely clean their names.

An interesting letter in the NY Times noted that Reagan/Bush have 
lulled the American public to sleep with non-issues while entirely 
avoiding massively important, even vital, issues.  While the S&L
story ballooned beyond managability, the Administration and the 
press pre-occupied themselves with flag-burning.  I wouldn't put 
it beyond Bush to double-cross Israel just as he used to work
with Noriega and is now trying to silence him.  Maybe we should
call him Sheik Bush :-)

-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: More on Mojahedin Attacks
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:42:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Apr13.134217.6795
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University


From the Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran over the weekend:

* Hans Dietrich Genscher, in a letter to Iran's foreign minister, Ali
Akbar Valayeti, stated that his government regretted the Mojahedin
attacks on the Iranian representatives' offices in Germany and that
steps have been taken to avert such attacks in the future. Furthermore,
Germany is offering to compensate Iran for the loss of property.

* Similarly, Norway has offered to compensate Iran for the damage to its
embassy in Oslo.

* Iran has invited U.N. investigators to examine the villages on the
Iranian border which were recently attacked by members of the Mojahedin
Khalq Organization (which Iran refers to as the Monafeqin [Monafeq =
hypocrite/traitor] Terrorist Organization).

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:13:16 GMT

    Hmm...  The article in question made no reference to the Oakar's
    ethnic heritage, did it?

    The article did mention that OAKAR BOUNCED 213 CHECKS, and made 
    it to the list of the twenty two worst "Rubbergate" offenders.
    She was also the chairman of a subcommittee that oversaw the
    House Bank's personnel policies.  




-- 
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From: souissi@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Give TPM back to those who want to talk about the Mideast
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:33:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr14.203807.27039@wpi.WPI.EDU> nyh@sparkplug (Nevo Y Hed) writes:
>
>	Excuse me if this was offered before, I have been away from
>TPM for a while.  What about getting moderators on this group???  It
>is done in other groups usch as sci.virtual-worlds soc.religion.islam
>(i think i counted about 135 such groups at our site).
>
>	So what will it be???  ya know that opening a alt.revisionists
>wont get the slimeballs outta here... I am not talking bout taking
>someon's freedom of speach (*** forbid) away, I mean even grabage like
>ARF's belongs here (well sometimes, I mean when th subject is not
>Secret Rabbi Taxes (Kosher foods) etc).
>
>

I personally don't find ARF's postings garbage at all.  On
the contrary, I find them often quite informative and
reasonable.  Just because you don't agree with someone
doesn't justify censorship.

>	Happy Easter and Passover...
>
>		-Nevo
>
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>+-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------+-----------------+
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>| Internet:       | type "friendship is   | religion is not | programmer has  |
>| nyh@wpi.wpi.edu | too much to ask for"  | that popular    |   to think      |
>|                 | I'd rather we stay    | anymore.        | like a bug!!!   |
>|++1 (508)754-2491| enemies.              |                 |                 |
>+-----------------+---------+-------------+-----------------+-----------------+
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:10864 soc.history:3631 rec.arts.books:8051
From: bgdv706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.history,rec.arts.books
Subject: John Roy Carlson anyone?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:55:55 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin


	I am looking for info on John Roy Carlson, author of "The Plotters",
	"Under Cover", and "Cairo to Jerusalem". Is his work considered to
	be reliable? Did he author other books? What's his real name
	anyway? 

	Please E-mail responses.

	Thanks,

	Noam
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Nadia: Cool Out / History & Scholarshi
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:00:55 GMT


In article 26021@cco.caltech.edu, bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.233919.18389@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric) writes:
>
>>>If I remember correctly from my reading of "Transfer Agreement" and
>>>"Zionism in the Age of Dictators" about two years ago, the cooperation
>>>with Germany was not by "a small splinter group" at all.  It representated
>>>dominant Zionist policy.
>>
>>Obviously, you don't; Leon Gross has refuted this.  Plus, the bias of
>>both these sources has clearly been shown, and I think anyone who has
>>fairness in his or her mind would strongly doubt both sources' veracity.
>>Face it, Behnam, your arguments have been completely refuted.
>
>Hello, Eric.  How are you?
>
>Let me reply to your paragraph sentence by sentence.  You say,
>"Leon Gross has refuted this."  I haven't seen such refutation
>(I am following the discussion from soc.culture.arabic).  In fact,
>I haven't seen him comment on the book Transfer Agreement at all.
>
>Then you say "the bias of both these sources been shown."   It doesn't
>require any effort to prove the bias of any book:   Every book is
>biased in favor of its thesis!  
>
>Then you say everybody in his right mind should doubt the veracity
>of these sources.     Four comments:  
>
>i)  I think everybody in his/her right mind should "doubt" the veracity 
>of ANY sources, not just these two.  (i.e. don't accept anything blindly).
>
>ii) The fact that one source is by a staunch Zionist makes it rather
>"unlikely" that his goal was to attack Zionism.  If anything, he 
>probably wanted to put a good face on the actions of Zionists.

The "Transfer Agreement" book (whose details I have forgotten) was 
written by an author who himself firmly believes in Transfer.  His
aim in writing the book was obviously to demonstrate that the idea
has sound mainstream Zionist credentials.  Whether he succeeded in
doing that I don't know (I only skimmed it briefly).

>Behnam Sadeghi

Brendan.
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Well, 'Radu' Is Not Getting Hasan's 'Imbecile' Postings Anymore.
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:36:00 GMT


<sdhttINNa2r@agate.berkeley.edu>
160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu

>Well, I am not getting Hasan's imbecile postings anymore. 

You got me there, 'Tomescu at UCBerkeley.' I guess my plans to
install myself as 'King of Berkeley' are washed up now. 

>However, PPP and Law of one Price aside , he is right if and only if:
>Absolute prices are in Turkyie more than 4 times lower than absolute
>prices in Greece. This follows since Greece has a GNP/capita  roughly
>four times, in absolute value, larger than Turkyie...So, for the average
>Turk, who makes 4 times less than the average Greek, life is going to be
>better iff the market prices he faces are more than 4 times smnaller..

You have set up straw horses and knocked them down - I am not impressed.
The existence in two countries of nontraded goods and services whose
prices are not linked internationally allows you to put your foot where
your mouth is, 'Tomescu.' Because the price of a nontradable is determined
entirely by its domestic supply and demand curves, shifts in those curves
may cause the domestic price of a broad commodity basket to change
relative to the foreign price of the same basket. In a nut shell, the 
purchasing power of the Greek currency will fall in Greece when the prices 
of nontradables rise. Besides, the output of the construction industry 
is also nontradable. However, Turkiye's competitiveness in contracting is 
around 6.88 when Greece is not even on the map. Also, transport costs 
may be so large relative to the cost of producing some goods and services 
that they can never be traded internationally at a profit. Thus, your
myths about the Greek economy don't stand up to the realities on
the ground. Consult some less biased sources, for a change. See: Balassa, 
Kravis and Lipsey.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: OCCUPIED(?) LANDS!
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:59:51 GMT


Brendan is getting testy.  This is probably the result of my attacking his
pet Israel-Is-Palestine theory.


In article <1992Apr5.075512.2458@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>In article 6697@bony1.bony.com, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar31.080258.20134@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>>In article 2488@bony1.bony.com, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Mar29.082414.26942@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>>>>In article 9681@bony1.bony.com, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>>>>>In article <1992Mar25.014203.14749@newshost.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>>>>>>In article 8149@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The historical Palestine is not
>>>>>>>>Israel, but Jordan.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Complete fantasy.  This is pure myth, without the slightest
>>>>>>>historical justification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You cannot deny that Palestine included Jordan.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark's claim is much stronger than yours.  _Nobody_ doubts that 
>>>>>Palestine included all of the current area of Israel with the
>>>>>possible exception of the Negev south of Beersheva.  
>>>>
>>>>These 2 statements seem to be contradictory.  (I don't see how misattribution
>>>>could have caused this.)
>>>
>>>I can't see the contradiction.  
>>
>>You previously wrote:
>>  >>>Mark's claim is much stronger than yours.  
>>
>>If his claim:
>>  >>>>>>The historical Palestine is not
>>  >>>>>>Israel, but Jordan.  
>>is much stronger than mine, then I rest my case here.
>
>What case?  I have been completely consistent, and any contradictions
>you think you have found are entirely inside your head.



So then let me use the words that you have so strongly endorsed:
"The historical Palestine is not Israel, but Jordan."
Might you see it more clearly if I wrote it in Strine instead on English?




-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Give TPM back to those who want to talk about the Mideast
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.183032.13601@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, souissi@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.092400.18332@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>>>I personally don't find ARF's postings garbage at all.  On
>>>the contrary, I find them often quite informative and
>>>reasonable.  Just because you don't agree with someone
>>>doesn't justify censorship.
>>
>>
>>	Denying the existance of the Holocaust, claiming that the Jews own
>>the media, etc., etc., is of no pertinance (sp?) to tpm.  Personally I 
>>think you're an idiot for actually finding his posts reasonable.  
>>
>>
>
>I think that the above issues do have pertinence to tpm.
>Most Israeli are Jewish, and Israel is in the Middle East,
>isn't it (unless you think it's in Europe).  Also I share
>the view that the Jews control a substential share of the
>media in this country.  

Please document this claim, and give more details.  Which Jews
control which media for which purposes?  I hope you realize that
no one considers anything from the hate groups of the IHR or the
NAAWP to be documentation.

>the media helps shaping the views
>of people and policies of the Government towards Israel.

Do you have any evidence that Jews in the media have different views
than non-Jews in the media.  Even if you could make a claim that
there are many Jews in the media, you would also have to demonstrate
that they are more anti-Arab than the rest of the media.

>That returns us to the Middle East. If you think I am
>an idiot, it is your opinion.  I will not call you the
>same, but I do keep my views for the moment, even if you
>don't agree.
I'm not sure if you are an idiot.  Answer my questions, and I will
decide.  


>>	After finding ARF's nazi-anti-semitc posts reasonable, you have the
>>nerve to wish us a happy Passover??  Better watch out, we need some blood
>>for the matzah...yours is as good as any.
>>
>
>Please pay attention!! It is not I who wished the happy
>Easter and Passover above.  It was the original poster.
>You already called for my blood.  It is this kind of blindness
>and hatred that causes the blood of many innocent people
>to be shed.

You just completely miss the point here.  ARF has made unsubstantiated
anti-Semitic claims.  There was a belief throughout history, that was false, 
that Jews used the blood of non-Jews to make matzah.  The person above is
ridiculing this belief, and ARF's anti-Semitic comments.

He did not call for your blood.  This false belief about Jews did
cause many innocent JEWS to be killed through false accusations.
He is saying that ARF's posts, and anti-Semitism, are harmful and
can lead to the bloodshed of innocent people.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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