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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: dreams of god
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.085544.2276@reed.edu> kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.015737.1445@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>>
>>Oh yeah, I sometimes hear a voice calling my name when I'm half asleep.
>>I recognize it as a part of my subconscious trying to reach me; generally
>>the next day I can retrieve interesting tidbits using standard autoquestioning
>>techniques.
>
>Could you please explain these?

Before you fall "asleep" you enter a very light sleep.  (I think the
technical term is hypogolic sleep).

While you don't have dreams, you can have very short dream fragments.
In fact, I would probably describe them as simple visualizations rather
than dreams.  Since this is generally followed by sleep, you generally
don't remember them when you wake up).

If your dreams are not just visual, these small dream fragments may contain
non-visual components as well -- many people have experienced a strong
muscular contraction because they have had a dream fragment where they
started to trip, but since they aren't fully asleep their leg muscles
still react.  (Always fun on a waterbed ;-)

One common dream fragment is to hear someone calling your name, trying to
get your attention.  (These dream fragments tend to 'flit' around a lot,
so it's like you can't concentrate).  Your subconscious, of course, is 
always around when you're asleep so a continual attempt to get your
attention is probably your subconscious.

For some reason :-), I seem able to remember when my subconscious tried
to get my attention this way.

(Before you try this at home, you need to realize that I put a fair amount
of effort into providing auto-suggestions to my subconscious that it was
free to contact me in ways it found appropriate, and to remind me of these
contacts later.  Until you do this it is _extremely_ difficult to keep
these memories clear).

-- 
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Seance Story
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:00:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I just wanted to share a seance story that happened to my brother and I
when we were in the fifth and fourth grade.  Up to this point we never
believed in communicating with the unliving.  One night in our room, we
lit a candle, sat on the floor, and held hand with the candle in between
us.  We didn't not know who to call since we haven't anybody close to us
pass away at the time.  So we called any available spirit that could
hear us calling (I know this sounds corny but we were so young).  After
about 1/2 minute we heard 3 hard knock coming from inside our walk-in 
closet.  We tore out of the room so fast that we did not sleep in there
for about 4 days.  Until now, this is by the far the scariest thing
that has ever happen to me.  Does anybody have any other seance story
that you would like to share.  BTW, this is a true story.

Dave


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: dreams of god
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:57:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.153304.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>     Since I posted my account of my dream about God (which was riddled with
>spelling mistakes I'm sorry to say) I received quite a bit of response from 
>people who had a similar dream.  
>     Theere is a couple of common threads that run through the accounts of 
>all of these dreams:  
>(1) God seemed to have come to them at a time or in a place that was a complete
>    and total surprise.  eg. driving their car, football games, etc.
>(2) The voice of God was always an incredibly powerful yet calm, almost musical
>    sound.
>(3) God had always selected the person for something.  What that something was
>    never really was found out in any dream account.
>(4) In some dreams, a relative came in contact with the dreamer to tell that 
>    he/she was with God and not to worry...
>
>     The commonality in all these dreams leads me to believe that this type 
>of dream has a definite biological foundation or is a supernatural event.

I have always wondered how people who have such experiences know that it
was not Satan contacting them.  After all, according to (the Fundamentalist 
interpretation of the Bible) Satan can impersonate anyone, including God,
Mary and any dead relatives and is certainly not above trying to pull such
a trick.

Just a rather spooky thought....

Oh yeah, I sometimes hear a voice calling my name when I'm half asleep.
I recognize it as a part of my subconscious trying to reach me; generally
the next day I can retrieve interesting tidbits using standard autoquestioning
techniques.

-- 
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Ghost communicating with children
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:30:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I have heard many stories from my family and friends about their young kids
seeing and hearing things that nobody else does.  Here is a story that 
happened just 3 days ago.  My friends younger daughter (age 3) will often
run out of her room tell her parents that the man is in her room again,
and this time he is scaring her.  Sometimes she will play and talk with the
imaginary man and sometimes she will be frightend.  A couple days ago the
daughter ask if she could go in her room and draw pictures with her new
water color paint set.  He mom gave her one piece of paper and she quietly
went in the room to draw.  She came out of the romm 5 min. later with a
painting that far exceeding her drawing ability.  It was a picture of a 
tree with very straight lines and abstract colors.  When ask who done
this, she replied the man helped me.  When her mother told her to draw it
again, it was not even close to the one earlier.  I seen it for myself,
the picture looked like a 7th grader done it.  She says that a man committed
suicide on the apartment above her and thinks maybe that has something to
do about it.  When my friend and her husband first moved into the apartment
they always heard footstep above them day and night, they were shocked to
find out that the apartment has been vacant for a long time now.  This is
just one of the many stories that I heard with kids talking to ghost.  I
believe ghost talk to kids because of there innocents and the fact that
they are ignorant to the supernatural.  Does anybody have similar stories
that they know.

                           
Dave




Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Dreams
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:01:09 GMT

Just a tidbit for people posting about dreams.  If you can get alt.dreams
there are many people who are very knowledgable on interrpreting dreams.
Maybe cross-posting will fill everyone in.

Thanks for the time,
Eric

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: wlamonac@maddog.helios.nd.edu (William LaMonaca)
Subject: Re: Boy Ghost in Three Men & Baby
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:32:27 GMT

In article <1gatktINNdbl@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>Hello everyone, I am new to this net and don't know if anybody ever talked
>about the story with the boy figure in the move Three Men & Baby.  When
>I saw this for the first time it just sent chills down my spine.  Was
>this proof to millions of people that ghost do exist.  The company tried
>to cover up saying that was a cardboard figure, they got to be kidding.
>How could everybody on the stage miss that.  Does anybody out there
>know alittle more insight to this.  All I know is that the little boy
>died in that same apartment some years back, the same apartment that
>they filmed the movie at.
>
>Dave
>

To quote Rocket J. Squirrel- "Again?"

This has cropped several times in this and other newsgroups.  Having seen the "ghost" myself
in the movie (Before I heard about the rumor), I had orignally assumed that it was a stagehand
or perhaps one of the baby's parents who had accidentally gotten into the shot.  Then came The
Rumor.

Here's what I know about the deal-  Supposedly it was the ghost of a kid who had died in the
house.  Possible- except for one small detail- that scene was filemed on a soundstage and not
in an actual house at all.  Also, I have seen a picture of Ted Danson standing next to the
cutout of him in a top-hat.  When the cutout is leaned over (as it was during filming) it
can give the illusion of a short person.

Sorry- hate to spoil the illusion, but it is a good story anyway.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: Real life ghost experience. 
Keywords: Ghosts 
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:50:06 GMT

jsharpe@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Sharpe) writes:
> This is a real life experience which my wife went through before we
> started dating/married, this is pretty creepy!

[extremely spooky story deleted]

> It really made me a believer.

I can see how it would - but the first thing that occurs to me is that
maybe someone was hiding in their apartment somehow. Did any of these
things happen when there couldn't have been a human responsible?

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: dreams of god
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:33:04 GMT

     Since I posted my account of my dream about God (which was riddled with
spelling mistakes I'm sorry to say) I received quite a bit of response from 
people who had a similar dream.  
     Theere is a couple of common threads that run through the accounts of 
all of these dreams:  
(1) God seemed to have come to them at a time or in a place that was a complete
    and total surprise.  eg. driving their car, football games, etc.
(2) The voice of God was always an incredibly powerful yet calm, almost musical
    sound.
(3) God had always selected the person for something.  What that something was
    never really was found out in any dream account.
(4) In some dreams, a relative came in contact with the dreamer to tell that 
    he/she was with God and not to worry...

     The commonality in all these dreams leads me to believe that this type 
of dream has a definite biological foundation or is a supernatural event.

                            John
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:49:43 EST
From: Matt Pyson <MRP105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Boy Ghost in Three Men & Baby
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec12.203227.12336@news.nd.edu>

In article <1992Dec12.203227.12336@news.nd.edu>, wlamonac@maddog.helios.nd.edu
(William LaMonaca) says:
> In article <1gatktINNdbl@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM
> (Dave Maycon) writes:
>> Hello everyone, I am new to this net and don't know if anybody ever talked
>> about the story with the boy figure in the move Three Men & Baby.
>
> To quote Rocket J. Squirrel- "Again?"

This time for sure! <sigh>

>> How could everybody on the stage miss that.

In the same way that the people shooting Ben Hur managed to let a contemporary
automobile appear in the background of a Roman Chariot race. These things
happen in movies. If it was discovered after principal photography was
completed, they would not waste thousands of dollars to re-assemble their cast
and crew just to fix a small glitch like that, which would most likely go
un-noticed by 99% of the audience.

> [...] died in the house. Possible- except for one small detail- that scene as
> filmed on a soundstage and not in an actual house at all. Also, I have seen
> a picture of Ted Danson standing next to the cutout of him in a top-hat.

> Sorry- hate to spoil the illusion, but it is a good story anyway.

Yeah, That's probably it: just the cast&crew fooling around. If the producers
even know about it, they'd think it was great publicity (I mean, how many
people have rented tapes of 3M&aB just to see this "ghost" because of The Rumor
:-) ).
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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: "black" ghosts?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:42:29 GMT
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.

Well, I dont know where to begin with this one... 
Over the years, I have been hearing references to certain ghosts or 
entities as being "black"..probably not referring to race, of course,
but of the colour reflected off the entity.  Why the colour black 
has popped up more than once may be coincidental.  However, the first 
time I heard of a black ghost was while attending college, I met a 
lady who confided that she had been terrorized by different entities
including a "black figure of a man" (I dont know why entities are often
described as being men either...) to the extent that she lost two
roomates..one who observed an incident and wouldnt go back in the 
house to get her things..this black entity held her down against the 
bed while she screamed in terror..anyway, she didnt like talking about
it and thats all I knew..      
Next, a few years later while I was in San Diego, I read a story in 
the San Diego Union about a family in Mira Mesa (suburb in the North
City area) who had ghosts appearing more mischevious than pissed off.
There was a description of a "black man" figure that appeared to push
one of the young children living in the house off his bike... I though
t that this was curious..there was no connection whatsoever with my
first encounter with black beings.
Then, on the TV show Sightings recently, there was talk of a family
being tormented by entities including a "black headless figure of 
a man"...
Hmmmmm.... Why not orange...or blue.  Are there multi-coloured 
punk rock ghosts too?
If anyone has any stories or encounters about ghosts exhibiting
a penchant for colours, please post them...I'd like to hear them.

Thanks, all.

all disclaimers apply here.
"I'm not telling you, I'm telling you!"-the captain 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith)
Subject: Re: Dead relatives communicating from beyond
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:31:27 GMT

I've had very similar dreams ever since my own father died six months after
his cancer was diagnosed.  These dreams were extremely intense at first, to
the point where I would wake up crying.  Over time they evolved so that I was
actually having conversations with my father.  I haven't had one for several
months now.  I have spent a lot of time worrying about whether this was a
visitation dream or a simple subconscious expression of grief. For whatever
reason they happen, these dreams are part of the grieving process and are to
be welcomed as healing.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: Re: Boy Ghost in Three Men & Baby
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.235131.23709@colorado.edu> popiels@dvorak.Colorado.EDU (POPIEL STEPHANIE LYN) writes:
>
>This is my first post - so if I screw up please forgive me.
>
>I've heard about this ghost before - but which scene is it in?  I have missed it every time I see the movie
>
>Stephanie

It's in the scene where Ted Danson's (can't remember the character names)
mother comes by for a visit and decides not to help him out with the kid.
As they're talking, she goes into a different with Ted following her to see
the kid and pick it up, etc.  On the way in look at the second window she
passes.  There will be what looks like a gun (stock pointing up) just inside
the window by the curtain.  On the way back out of the room, the gun is
replaced by a boy.  

We watched this at a friend's house when the rumors first started (they had
the tape).  It was very eerie and gave me the willies.  If this was a card-
board cutout, can someone give some information as to why someone would pull
this type of prank.

Denise
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: remcat@athena.mit.edu (Rachel Emily Molenaar)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: The Monkey's Paw
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:36:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.193144.23839@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, toma@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Atwater) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.155000.10106@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
|> > [same version of the story that I remember]
|> 
|> >Does anyone remember who wrote this?  I think it may have been Kipling or
|> >Conan Doyle, but it could have been Ambrose Bierce.
|> 
|> Don't think it was any of these.
|> H.H.Munro (aka Saki) comes to mind.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Tom Atwater

no no no!
it was W. W. Jacobs!!!

bye bye bye!
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From: ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High)
Subject: Re: Ghost dream
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.045659.24765@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy) writes:
>  Hmm... someone brought this up before, and I replied then too...
>
>  Well, I used to have this problem constantly as a child, until about 7th
>grade or so. I eventually asked my father, (Who is an anesthesiologist), who
>told me it's quite natural... Basically, that chemical that your brain
>secretes to keep you from acting out your dreams is still active... so even
>though you're trying to move naturally, your brain is still cancelling the
>commands... 
>   As for the feelings of panic, that's normal all things considered.
>Patients on muscle relaxant also have bursts of panic when they wake to find
>themselves paralyzed. The feeling of helplessness is terrifying
>instinctively. 
>   The hallucinations themselves are created by the panic, the feeling that
>you can't breath... (You CAN, unfortunately you can't CONTROL the breathing
>so it makes you panic more...) and the fact that you're still pretty much
>asleep...
>
>   The feeling should only last about 30sec, right?
>                                                           -Probe
>
  Thanx, loads!  I've never heard such a logical explanation.  I've heard that you haven't come back into your body and you wake up first, and I've heard that a haint (ghost) may be riding you.  Not that I discount these ....







































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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: posmond@bmerh531.bnr.ca (Paul Osmond)
Subject: Dead relatives communicating.
Reply-To: posmond@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:37:13 GMT

A grade 12 school teacher told our class this story and claims it is absolutly
true.

The teacher told us that when she was a young teenager (I forget the exact age)
she was coming back from swimming with her friends.  She was alone when she was
walking up the path to her house. She saw her grandfather in the window waving
at her. She waved back and proceeded to walk up the path.

When she entered the house she called out to her grandfather but there was no
answer.  She immediately discovered that the house was empty.  She wasn't 
worried at this point because it was possible her grandfather had left by the
back door.

Anyway when her parents came home they informed her that her grandfather
had been dead for several hours.  After a while she realized that he must have 
died while she was swimming.  She has always believed from that point that her
grandfather just wanted to say goodbye before he departed.

The End.
From: simon@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Julia Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Calls from Dying People
Date: 12 Dec 1992 16:43:27 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Computerlinguistik, U of Saarland, FRG
Distribution: na, uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de

That reminds me of a dream my mother once had...

In the dream she had to say goodbye to a person called Hans, who didn't seem
to be a person she knew in real life, but he was a close friend of hers in the
dream. He had to go away and she would have liked so much to come with him,
but she couldn't, and he couldn't stay with her either. She told me she was
very sad in that dream.

Later she found out that a colleague of hers, whose first name was Hans, had
died just that night. But in real life he was no close friend of hers, and
they didn't call each other by their first names either.

Has your mother had other kinds of supernatural experiences? Mine has, and we
believe that this dream's got to do something with them. She often "feels"
things like opinions of other people, relationships between other people and
so on - even if she doesn't see them.

			Julia 8-)

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From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: Another Goodbye
Reply-To: zenith89@bcarh1eb.csis-nsa.ca (I don't do email)
Organization: NSA 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 13:57:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.232841.14028@netcom.com> A concerned subscriber  writes:
>
>BEFORE YOU POST TO THIS GROUP, BE VERY SURE YOU ARE REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE
>COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE GROUP. OTHERWISE, SOME OF YOU MAY START GETTING
>LETTER BOMBED, OR WORSE...
>
>THIS WILL BE YOUR ONLY WARNING. COMEDIANS AND WHINERS ****BEWARE****
>
You gonna send some of the saucer men after us ya UFO kook?