HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steve@digibd.com (Steve Wahl)
Subject: Re: is this what is meant by shrinking screen?
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.115222.1278@cbnews.cb.att.com> adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>if i were you, i'd SHUT THE MACHINE DOWN IMMEDIATELY, and install the
>replacement capacitor in the monitor (see the faq on this).  if you
>wait until the capacitor fails, it will probably take other, more
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			Maybe this should say "could possibly"
>expensive, harder to trace parts with it.

I'd rather not see people panic about this.  It is possible for other
components to fail when the capacitor goes, and thus it is better to
fix it when the problem's symptoms first appear.  So if you know about
the problem, get it taken care of.

However _my_ monitor completely failed (no picture at all), and the
only thing that needed replacing was the capacitor.  So if your screen
has already died, and you're just now asking the net for help, there
may still be hope.

I realize that the original poster has not had his monitor fail yet,
but this is what I see every time someone asks about the monitor
problem, and I'd hate to discourage anyone who has had a complete
failure.

--> Steve
-- 
Steve Wahl               steve@digibd.com
Digi International, Inc.
Eden Prairie, MN
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: anyone doing repairs?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:41 GMT

i am currently going to attempt to fix my monitor with the blown
capacitor using a mylar replacement. if that fails, i will switch
monitors with another 3b1, and will then have a dead monitor.

my question is, is there anyone doing repairs for 3b1s anymore? there
used to be someone in california who was doing them, but i no longer
have the addres.?


alternatively, anyone have a good monitor available, in case i can't
fix the one which just went?
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: monitor disaster
Summary:  second repair is ok. boot is strange.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:41:43 GMT


this afternoon i picked up a 6uf 50v mylar capacitor, which is a very
impressive beast: oval in cross section, almost two inches long, and
to my old eyes, which started out on hardware in 1944 in the signal
corps as a radio repairman, a REAL capacitor.

after getting the exploded capacitor out of the way, and melting as
much solder as i could out of the holes, i finally had to redrill the
holes using the finest bit i possess. i know this is risky, but there
was no alternative. in this repair you are always working at the
outer limits of visibility and access. i installed the mylar beast,
with insulation on both leads, a small amount on the short lead, a
long piece on the  one coming from the upper end, and eventually was
able to get two solder joins which were solid. cold solder joints are
a possibility in this, i note. at first one of the connections was a
cold solder jooint, but by tipping the monitor so as to lest the
liquidified solder run into the hole along the lead, i eventually got
a solid connection.

after closing up and booting the system came up on about the fourth
try. i kept using the emrgency boot button on the back near the phone
jacks till i got a solid boot, all the way to login. something similar
occurred yesterday when i used the first (now exploded) capacitor.

what does this mean?  why should sitting for 24 hours cause the boot
to be unsatisfactory?

one thing which occurs to me is that the disk gets cold, and is a bit
sticky, so the heads maybe are not moving correctly at first. another
possibility is that the power supply takes time to warm up enough to
produce suitable power. are these ideas plausible?

i am using a miniscribe 6085 which i installed in early june, at which
time i also installed a brand spanking new 3b1 power supply. the
miniscribe appeared new, but might have been an old warehoused beast.
one never knows.
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter)
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:51:48 GMT

Thanks to everyone who explained that when I suspend-emacs, I'm
creating a new shell, which I reverts back to emacs with C-d.  That's
a big help.  One extra question.  I prefer to use a tcsh, but the
subshell the emacs creates is always a csh.  Any way to fix that?

Also, is there any way to write to a floppy without going through the
user agent?  I hate to lose my big screen and have to run emacs in
some tiny window.

Thanks,
Bill Richter

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley)
Subject: Re: AT&T 3B1 disks wanted
Organization: This space for rent.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:14:53 GMT

>I would really like to get a copy of 3.0 or 3.51.  If anyone is prepared to
>copy me a set of floppies (all of the OS distribution), I will gladly
>supply the floppies, prepared labels, and pay for shipping.

I am not a net cop and I do not play one on TV, but...

Asking in a very public forum for someone to copy nearly $1000
worth of software owned by one of the meanest corporations in
the world that employs thousands of lawyers...

well, you figure it out.
-- 
Jan Isley   jan@bagend.uucp   gatech.edu!bagend!jan   (404)434-1335
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: buhrt@prslnk.uucp (Jeff Buhrt)
Subject: 3b1s and parts for sale
Summary: 3b1s for sale
Keywords: 3b1, sale
Organization: Proslink, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:25:29 GMT


For Sale:

Our tech has indicated we have an overstock of 3b1's and parts,
we will be selling some of our parts/stock.

(minimum) 10 3b1's (aka: AT&T 7300, Unix-pc) each with:
	-2Mb RAM on motherboard
	-67Meg Hard drive
	-mouse (we have many)
	-Foundation set
	-owner's manuals
	-OS (3.51m+) is installed

All machines are in working order and were removed from service.
We also have many mice, case parts, and many keyboards,
as well as AT&T 610 terminals (working, but used), call to deal.

Call 812-275-0750 ask for me (Jeff Buhrt) or Dave Morthland [sales].


						-Jeff Buhrt
					{gator,uunet}!sawmill!prslnk!buhrt
					812-275-0750 work
					Proslink, Inc.
From: kronberg@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Frank Kronberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Request FAQ
Summary: Request FAQ
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:38:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Science Labs

Will someone please send me the 3b1 FAQ or tell me where it's located

Thanks



Frank Kronberg			Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics
kronberg@cea.berkeley.edu       University of California
EUVE launched 7 June 1992	2150 Kittredge Street
Surveys 70-912 Angstroms	Berkeley, CA 94720 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: plu@math.psu.edu (Todd Andrew Simpson)
Subject: Re: Term Programs....
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:01:21 GMT

In article <BxL4Mw.MCr@tnl.com>, jbunch@tnl.com (john bunch) writes...

........
   I still am having problems with sending and receiving with zmodem.
   Seems to work fine from the vax I call, but I can not get it to work
   from the 2 different unix boxes I call?  Any clues would be greatly
   appreciated.

I don't know if this is what you mean, but I used to have trouble uploading
binary files with zmodem.  I would type rz on the remote (not my UnixPC)
machine, then have Pcomm send a file with sz, and it would crash.  It 
turned out that using `sz -e' instead of `sz' solved the problem; the
former command escapes all control characters, so for instance telnet
doesn't intercept the ^] characters in the binary file.  There's a way
to setup the Pcomm external protocol so it'll use sz -e any time it
sends a file via Zmodem.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jetfuel@babbage.csus.edu (Dave Jenks)
Subject: 7300 (~) For Sale
Summary: Last posting attempt may have been lost/incorrect
Keywords: unix-pc
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:45:55 GMT

[ My previous posting was never available locally,
so I'll try again (I also made a mistake on the description...) ]

FOR SALE

    AT&T 7300/unix-pc
    2MB RAM
    no disk (was a Seagate ST-251 - you guys were right about those!)
    no monitor (well, it's there, but it went up in smoke)
    keyboard, mouse and modem all work fine.
    software included - Foundation Set, Development Set, Worp
	Processor
    will sell for best offer over $0.00

    Call 6:00am to 2:00pm M-F (916) 643-3524  ASK FOR DAVE

--Dave+
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or...  jetfuel@babbage.ecs.csus.edu     or...  davej@c3po.sm-alc.af.mil
From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:51:34 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 13432@news.acns.nwu.edu, richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter writes:
> I love my 3b1, except for the job control.  I'm used to killing a job
> with C-c; this doesn't seem to ever work.  Even worse, the commands
> jobs and fg don't exist.  Suppose you stop a job, for instance by
> suspending emacs in order to compile the file.  How can you ever get
> back to it?  The command ps gives the process id, which is fine if I
> want to kill the job, but I don't know how to resume it and get back
> to emacs.

The 3b1 has no job control.  You cannot suspend a job.  That's why jobs and fg
do not seem to work.  They are not available.

You cannot suspend emacs.  I suspect that what emacs is doing is actually starting
up a subshell, (it just looks like it has been suspended).  To get back to emacs,
you need to finish your compile, and then kill the subshell (using ^D).  Emacs
will come back.

As to the ^C not working, it appears that you need to use stty.  It lets you
set up various terminal settings.  I think what you need is  'stty intr ^C'.
You can also use it to change the backspace key from Delete to ^H (or anything
else that you prefer),  using 'stty erase ^H'.

Welcome to the fun world of System V.  You've obviously been using BSD too long. :-)

Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: Re: Supported Disks?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:50:25 GMT

In article <BxKLqF.EzM@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>Can someone point me at that list of disks that the 3B1 will support?
>
>It's time to replace mine... (bah)
>
A long time ago (it seems like a long time) Lenny Tropiano supplied such a
list. It was pretty long. He "listens in" to this group now and then. Maybe
if you can find him or he is listening, he can supply a copy.

Frank        

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Tcsh and Zsh
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:15:15 GMT

Does anyone have the latest versions of TCSH and/or ZSH available
for the 3b1?

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From: spam@iastate.edu (mike begley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: help getting started...
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:57:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxMFK0.59r
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Hi!  I'm having a little trouble getting things set on my 7300.

I'm trying to download software off OSU, but something's getting
snagged somewhere. I have Version 2.0 of the operating system,
a 20 meg disk, and 1 meg of ram.  Here's my (rather kludgy) process
for getting programs to the 3B1:

First problem: I don't have an uncompress on the 7300, so my first
goal is to get one.  I FTPed pub/att7300/archivers/compress.cpio from
OSU, in binary format.  Then I'm used kermit to download it via a
9600 baud modem to my IBM clone.  Then I floppy it to the 7300 and
use the UA "read MS-DOS Disk" gadget to copy it onto the 7300 hard
disk.

When I cpio -icduvm, I'm greeted with the message: Out of phase--get help

What does this mean?  The manual is completely devoid of information...
As soon as I get this to work I plan to get mtools, then get kermit running
on the 7300, then start getting slip working, so I don't have to
keep jumping thru hoops...

thanks for any help...
-- 
Michael Begley             Ask me how           "the man and the woman were
spam@iastate.edu      Iowa State University        both naked, and they were
(515) 233-6210    is censoring my usenet access      not ashamed..." Gen:2.25
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jmartino@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James R Martino)
Subject: Re: monitor disaster
Summary: Theer may be hope ...
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:33:06 GMT


On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:48:19 GMT, Arthur Wouk wrote:

>what happened was an explosion of the replacement capacitor. i don't
>know if this did any other damage.
>
>i replaced the stock 4.7uf 25v electrolytic non-polarizing capacitor
>with a 4.7uf 63v electrolytic non-polarizing capacitor. it was of a
>very small size, so i was suspicious.
>
>is there any safe replacement?
>
>has anyone had the same experience?
>
>what is the chance that i did other damage when the capacitor
>exploded?

I tried this once too - you probably used a capacitor designed for
speaker crossover use, which can't handle the job for the monitor.

Get a big fat mylar capacitor, and go again. When I made the same
mistake, I didn't blow anything else out, and the monitor came up
fine. I hope your luck is as good as mine was.


Jim Martino				+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
jrm@chow.mat.jhu.edu			+   PLACE COMMERCIAL HERE   +
jmartino@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu		+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: monitor disaster
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:36:04 GMT

after the repair to the monitor this afternoon i posted the good news.
everyhting was fine.
but ...

i booted the system about 5:30 pm, and sometime between 9pm and p:30pm
the screen went completely blank.

that is where it is now. what do i do next? give up?

anyone have a working 3b1 monitor to sell?
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:56:35 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 1dou0nINNcla@bigboote.WPI.EDU, kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k writes:
> In article <93114@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com writes:
> >Welcome to the fun world of System V.  You've obviously been using BSD too long. :-)
> 
> So, has anyone ported BSD to the 3b1 yet?  Bout time we got some *real* Unix on
> these stunningly neat machines... :-)

Don't hold your breath.  This idea has been thrown around for almost as long as the
3b1 has existed.  The reasons it has not been done are many, (so many in fact that
I can't remember a single one, but they are there none the less :-).
I believe that the 3b1 does not have enough virtual space to support BSD, but
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

About all we can do is replace broken programs with fixed ones, one at a time.
And this too has been going on for as long as the 3b1 has existed.
You can help, by picking you favorite broken program and finding a better
replacement, and then telling the rest of us about it.

Note that mail, news, emacs, perl, cc, yacc, lex, cron, (and many others) have
already been taken care of.  So find something new to fix.

Have fun.

--
Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dold@unislc.uucp (Clarence Dold)
Subject: Re: floppy drive won't accept disks (devilish design)
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:46:31 GMT

From article <1992Nov11.014444.29833@colorado.edu>, by wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk):

> the more i work with the 3b1 the more i admire the develish ingenuity
> of the designers in making a non-repairable, hence probably throw-away
> item!  it couldn't have happened by accident!

I wasn't involved with the mechanical design of the 3B1, but the prime
consideration was the shape and size, dictated by AT&T.  Next was RF and
static immunity, hence all the shields.
As you have noticed, servicability consideration was ...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: pcg2@Reggae.CC.MsState.Edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: 3 1/2" Drive
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:47:12 GMT

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't make myself clear.  When I was
talking about the 3 1/2" drive, I meant a 3 1/2" floppy drive, not
a hard drive.


				Sorry for the confusion,
				Chris
From: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: 3b1 binary editor
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:39:22 GMT
Organization: LaSalle University, Philadelphia, PA

In <96637@netnews.upenn.edu>, kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu writes:
>I'm sorry that this is not 3b1 specific (but it's for a 3b1 ;-), but what
>is a good binary editor to use?  I only know of hexpert.  Email please.

Thank you all for the responses.  The various editors that were
recommended were: (in no particular order of features, etc.)

beav, bpatch, emacs, fm

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: GCC header files
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:09:18 GMT

I've a problem with the GNU header files that I have... there are a lot
of different conflicts and such, so I always use "-nostdinc" when 
compiling.  Does anyone have corrected GCC header files that I could
snarf a copy of?

Also, whatever happened to the project which was updating the standard
header files on the system (ansihdr, or something)?  I understand there
was to be a revised release at one point, and didn't notice it.

Thanks...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: Mounting a Floppy
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:33:44 GMT

Ignore my first post about mounting a floppy disk.
I have figured it out.  I would like to know if the following
directories are default for the 3B1.

/mnt
/mnta
/mntb


Also, is there a way to mount a floppy drive without the drive spinning
continuously?  Just wondering if a disk can be mounted and not have the 
little red light on unless I'm doing something to the mounted directory.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1,comp.sys.att
From: mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark D. Crimmins)
Subject: Re: Where is LaTeX for the Unix-PC?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:25:19 GMT

chrielli@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chris Ellington) writes:

>I am looking for LaTeX for my unix-pc.  If anyone could tell me
>where it is at I would appreciate it.  It doesn't seem to be on
>cis.archive.ohio-state.edu but I could be wrong.  I would also 
>need xdvi or the equiv.  Thanks in advance,

Try csvax.caltex.edu.

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Vern's klondike, anyone got it?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

One final thing.  Does anyone have the shell archives of Vern Hoxie's 
(sp? sorry)   version of Tom's klondike (Vern called it klondike2)?

if e-mail me and I'll get back to you on.  (That way I don't get 20 copies of
the same file!).  I think there were 6 files.  The shell archives are not
necessary, but preferred.

Thanks in advance!!
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From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: kernel parity errors?
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:34:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Little to None

>>A friend who is not on the net is having kernel parity errors. I'm no guru
>>so can't help him, but vaguely I *think* I recall that such errors were a
>>clue to fix something other than the kernel. It's not in FAQ. Can someone
>>help? All my friend needs is a direction to investigate, not a detailed
>>analysis. Software or hardware? What component is the most likely culprit?
>
>I too am having kernel parity errors.  It happens when I have my machine
>on for more then 10-12 hours.  So any info on kernel parity errors wold be
>appreciated.  Other then the errors, the machine runs okay.  It seems to
>panic when I get the parity errors though..  

Admittedly, this is a long shot, but I have heard several long-term 3B1
owners swear that the first thing you should try in cases like these is
to take the machine apart and clean out all the dust bunnies.  
-- 
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