HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Lets stop illegal posts of Hallamian The Crook.
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:54:13 GMT





<1992Aug30.020900.8987@dscomsf.desy.de>
hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)

>UCBVAX provides a facility which people without NNTP posting privs can
>use to post. It is also possible to use it to forge posts through it,
>almost all mutlus appear from either this gateway or the Ohio state one,
>without exception they are forged and have been so for a very long
>while.

When you have finished forging I'd suggest you answer the points Prof 
Shaw raised below.

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city 
 of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, 
 closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan 
 on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized 
 and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during 
 the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
 southern side of the lake."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: oral@E34-530-1.MIT.EDU (gamiteer)
Subject: GPS experiments in Turkey
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology,    Cambridge, Massachvsetts
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:31:23 GMT

Space Geodetic Measurements-Plate Tectonics-Geophysics


Field preparations for another GPS(Global Positioning System) campaign
to measure the crustal motions in Western Turkey, and the post-seismic
slip in Erzincan earthquake area are underway. This experiment will be
the fifth occupation.  The project is led by MIT and General Command
of Mapping, Turkey with the participation of IFAG, Germany at SLR
(Satellite LAser Ranging) sites. There will be 10 receivers involved
in this field experiment, scheduled to start Sep 1st., 1992, operated
by colleages from Bosphorus University and TUJJB.

This month-long campaign will be devoted to repeat observations in
Western Turkey(3rd) and Eastern Turkey(2nd-3rd) at the Erzincan
rupture sites. The acquired date will help to quantify motions across
the North Anatolian Fault and understand the mechanics of faulting in
Erzincan.  There will be valuable information about the southwesterly
escape of Western Turkey extruding over the African plate. Relative
motions of the Bozdag Horst, Buyuk and Kucuk Menderes Breakaway Zones
and their cross horts-grabens will also be calculated from this space
geodetic data.

The results will be tied to Armenian-Georgian Network, to the
Tashkent-Kirghizistan network, as well as the Greek ones in an attempt
to understand the deformational processes those which have tolled
lives on this belt.


Cheers
Burch 

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oral@gps.mit.edu            	Earth Resources Laboratory
				Cambridge, Mass
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:08:35 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Barbaros, son of a Greek fisherman !? 
see how we had been treating sons of Greek fishermen, we had  been carving 
out of them Kaptan-i Deryas...

|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||

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From: HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (hq.ggg)
Subject: 'Berdel' at UC Berkeley
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:47:25 GMT

Pacific Film Archive will be showing "Berdel", a Turkish
movie by Atif Yilmaz on September 2 at 19:30 PST

Pacific Film Archive is located one block south od the
UC Berkeley Campus.

The entrance to the archive is at 2621 Durant Avenue.


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Western scholars on the Armenian genocide of the Turkish people.
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:21:00 GMT





<1992Aug31.033407.23094@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)

>	"Nevertheless, something abdominable occurred in Anatolia.
>An Armenian community of a million or more was reduced to negligible

So you want to laugh a lot and cry a lot.

1) Did Armenians slaughter 62% of Muslim population of Van?
2) Did Armenians slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis?
3) Did Armenians slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum?
4) Did Armenians slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir?
5) Did Armenians slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz?
6) Did Armenians slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas?
7) Did Armenians slaughter the entire Muslim population of the Armenian
   Dictatorship?

There is only one answer to questions 1-7. And that is a resounding 
'yes.'[1,2,3] 

[1] J. McCarthy, "Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison and Antidote," 1984.
[2] K. Karpat, "Ottoman Population 1830-1914," The Univ. of Wisconsin Press,
    1985.
[3] R. Hovannisian, "Armenia On The Road To Independence," 1967, p. 37.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:16:25 GMT

root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:
 (note the article is signed John Palmer)

>Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts . . . I don't
>know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
>is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
>temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.

>When his feed gets reactivated, I will inform him that we will not tolerate
>so much crossposting like he has done before. . . 

  . . .

>Several sites have tried to email-bomb Mr. Mutlu's site in the past few
>days. The efforts were thwarted and the result was one suspended college
>student and one who, after repeated abuses was THROWN OUT of college.
>Several others are under investigation by their sysadmins.

>May I remind you all that email-bombings fall under the Federal Computer
>Fraud and Abuse Act as well as most state laws and laws in most western 
>nations. Our site will prosecute those who tie up our network links
>with terrorist traffic.

This would be a lot more convincing if applied even-handedly.  It
appears that Mutlu has used anadolu.michigan.com's name in forged
postings thru the bsd NNTP server.  The postings are apparently
actually from him, but site is forged.  These forgeries have had a
direct and detrimental effect on michigan.com.  If this doesn't fall
under the Fraud and Abuse act, surely letterbombing doesn't either.
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: A Merciless Massacre Of The Civilian Population Of Karabag.
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:46:51 GMT





<16rjhjINN78m@agate.berkeley.edu>
ceg@dec-2.CE.Berkeley.EDU (Carl E. Grigorian)

>Turan should be a bit more explicit here. Artzvashen lies inside
>Azerbaijani territory but belongs to the Republic of Armenia. This

Come again.

A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri 
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to 
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military 
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the 
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been 
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten 
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed 
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian 
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the
Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City 
hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant 
were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to 
condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its 
sovereignty.

(Report from Karabakpress of Azerbaijan in Baku)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: ISLAMIC BROTERHOOD - BOSNIA V/S SOMALIA
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:21:01 GMT


On all culture news groups flag bearer of islam have posted
messages after messages deploring sitaution in Bosnia.  Who 
is  helping   in    Bosnia?   Muslims states - NO.   Muslim 
Fundamentalists all around the world are getting hoarse crying 
for Bosnia and Islam. Islam is in DANGER once more (it was 
in Gulf war before) for these fundamentlists. Who are they 
cursing for not helping - WEST? Why the hell should WEST help 
these fundamentlists who will go tomorrow planting bombs in 
western planes and threatening Salman Rushdie and likes
with death threats at flimsiest grounds? West is under
no obligation to help. It SHOULD NOT get involved. But
west is still helping out of goodwill.

But what is happening to Somalia which has 99 percent
(compared just 30 percent population in Bosnia) *BLACK* 
MUSLIMS who are dying by THOUSANDS every day (compared
to less than few hundred in a war for which Bosnian themselves
are equally responsible) with most cruel death caused by 
starvation and hunger.  Who is helping them? Muslim States - NO.
It is the west that is helping in Somalia once again
even though they are under no obligation to do.
What happended to Islamic "Red Crescent"? Or Black
muslims are disposable commodity? Why don't these islamic 
fundamentlists collect money for Somalia which is more in 
despearte need than any one else on this earth?. Why are
the islamic governments of IRAN ,Pakistan, Bangladesh who
are all very vocal on Bosnia supply food and medicine
to Somalia or Islamic Brotherhood just stops at the gate
of Africa.

That only tells about total HYPOCRACY Of ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD
and ISLAMIC Equality.

Regards,

bkumar
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: A Merciless Massacre Of The Civilian Population Of Karabag.
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:40:39 GMT





<16rjhjINN78m@agate.berkeley.edu>
ceg@dec-2.CE.Berkeley.EDU (Carl E. Grigorian)

>Turan should be a bit more explicit here. Artzvashen lies inside
>Azerbaijani territory but belongs to the Republic of Armenia. This

Come again.

A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri 
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to 
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military 
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the 
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been 
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten 
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed 
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian 
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the
Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City 
hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant 
were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to 
condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its 
sovereignty.

(Report from Karabakpress of Azerbaijan in Baku)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: kill files
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:42:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Aug24.210307.44700@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <BtI6n2.Bvv@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com
>(Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>  headings.   Is there a way to "kill" a whole poster?  Thanks
>>  in advance. 
>
>Right after reading this, type
>
>/hasan.b.mutlu/hK
>
>The h option will cause rn to search the entire header.
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas

  THANKYOU  THANKYOU  THANKYOU !

  What a relief!


---peter

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From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas)
Subject: Re: Turkish Tea
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:17:15 GMT

In article <1868aqINN1ik@overload.lbl.gov>, palaio@ux1.lbl.gov (Nicholas P Palaio) writes:
|> Last year I traveled to Turkey and really took a liking to the tea served
|> there.  I was able to bring a small amount home with me to the US, but
|> now I have unfortunately ran out.
|> 
|> My question is - Is there anywhere Turkish-grown tea can be purchased by
|> mail-order or in person (I live in the SF Bay Area) in the US.  I recall
|> one of my guidebooks saying that it was not permitted to export tea from
|> Turkey.  

Try a local Armenian grocery store, they might have it. Here in Boston, there
is at least one such store in Watertown that has Caykur's "Rize Turist Cayi".
(They have lots of other Turkish food stuff as well) I'm not sure if they have
mail order service, but I doubt it.
I don't think there's a ban on tea export, but until very recently all tea was
processed through a state enterprise (Caykur) and the production was just enough 
to meet the national demand. Since then, they've privatized many factories,
so I think Turkish tea is more accesible in the international market than
it was a decade ago.  

|> 
|> Thanks in advance for your help.
|> 
|> Nick Palaio


--Deniz Ertas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
From: sechrest@z.eecs.umich.edu (Stuart Sechrest)
Subject: Re: Suggestion to help Mutlu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:37:31 GMT

There has obviously been a number of problems for people participating 
in exchanges with Hasan Mutlu.  Many people have expressed dissatisfaction 
with his responses.  I think this is probably inevitable given a busy
schedule and the large number of messages addressed to him.  I therefore
would suggest that people use an order form such as that which follows
to simplify his task of creating tailored replies to messages.  We really
should all lend a hand in his constant (58 messages just today) effort.

--Stuart Sechrest

=====================MUTLU RESPONSE ORDER FORM=============================

I am a (mark those which apply)

	[ ] `wieneramus'
	[ ] `*-ian'
	[ ] `fino'
	[ ] self-admitted liar
	[ ] compulsive liar
	[ ] pathological liar
	[ ] x-soviet jew
	[ ] registered criminal
	[ ] genocide apologist
	[ ] member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle.

I wish to have my opinions (mark one only)

	[ ] ignored.

I would like `mutlu' to instead (mark those which apply)

	[ ] hide behind his ears.
	[ ] compose Haiku.
	    (e.g. ``In the midst of oatmeal days, 
		    I find within your head 
		    An irresistible affirmation.'')
	[ ] announce that he will dissect article-by-article, 
		paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, lie-by-lie, 
		revision-by-revision, articles posted on the net,
		then neglect to do so, relying instead on name calling
		and his patented quote-o-matic shell script.
	[ ] wake up and smell the Turkish coffee.

I would like my response to include (mark one)

	[ ] one [ ] one half-dozen [ ] one dozen

quotes on the subject of

	[ ] the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds.
	[ ] Greek efforts to decimate the Jewish population of Greece.

Please post the response to the following groups:
	(mark without regard to which apply)

	[ ] soc.culture.turkish,
		soc.culture.greek,
		soc.culture.europe,
		soc.culture.yugoslavia,
		soc.culture.french,
		soc.culture.british,
		soc.culture.german,
		soc.culture.italian
		soc.culture.jewish,
		soc.history,
	    	talk.politics.mideast,
		and talk.politics.soviet
	[ ]	soc.culture.australian

***** Remember

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

And have a nice day!.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: re: ethnic cleansing in Cyprus
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:32:01 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
> we are talking ~~~550,000 community (Greek Cypriots) using their resources
> (lethal, economical etc etc.) against a ~150,000 community (Turkish Cypriots).
> [...]
> You have killed and tortured who knows how many Turkish Cypriots over the
> period 1958-1974 ( 16 YEARS ) and you are telling me the Turkish Army killed
> more people than you have in only 1 MONTH!
> [...]
> 1974 was a military intervention while 1958-1974 was THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF 
> THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS.1974 Peace Operation was literally asked for by 
> the Greek Cypriots and Greeks
> (1974 military takeover of the Cyprus Government controlled by the Greek army, 
> dreams of ENOSIS etc etc.) while I don't believe Turkish Cypriots had asked
> to be cleansed !!!! 
> [...]
> Your stupidity seems to be a virtue to you! 
> [...]
> Has Greece and the Greek Cypriots paid for their crimes ? Only to a certain
>                                              extent. Thanks to Turkey!
> Besime Erin

Besime,

did you do anything else this last month while vacationing in "TRNC"
other than catch up on your hate-the-greeks-greek-cypriots-anti-enosis
type discussions? 

I mean, you usually write stuff like the above over a period of a few
days, but this time all these (and more) in a SINGLE article?

If your behaviour is anything typical, I fear the day Mutley et al
will go on vacation in Turkiye...

Interesting to see your vocabulary has now been improved with all the
latest buzzwords (ETHNIC CLEANSING, Peace Operation, lethal resources).

Slow down, you'll run out of material soon.

(AND PLEASE DON'T USE ALL CAPS AND LOTS OF !!!!!. we can hear/read you)

Spiros

(who expects a lengthy reply with 2.15 exclamations per sentence and
lots of uppercase buzzwords)

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From: azam@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Misbahul Azam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Armenian Government Got Away With the Genocide Of The Turkish People.
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:01:07 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

test test test 
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From: root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root)
Subject: Hasan Mutlu
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System, Clinton Township, MI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:49:46 GMT

Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.

When his feed gets reactivated, I will inform him that we will not tolerate
so much crossposting like he has done before. I have been informed that 
he has posted to groups like news.admin and alt.politics.clinton, which are
in my opinion, inappropriate places to discuss the Armenian-Turkish 
debate. 

Free Speech is fine, and we support it, but to insure an orderly net, 
topics must be placed where they belong. 

Several sites have tried to email-bomb Mr. Mutlu's site in the past few
days. The efforts were thwarted and the result was one suspended college
student and one who, after repeated abuses was THROWN OUT of college.
Several others are under investigation by their sysadmins.

May I remind you all that email-bombings fall under the Federal Computer
Fraud and Abuse Act as well as most state laws and laws in most western 
nations. Our site will prosecute those who tie up our network links
with terrorist traffic.

Any e-mail to "anadolu.michigan.com" will end up coming right back to
the sender as I've deconfigured that site from our mailer. Also, checks
at our ISP's mailer will alert their staff and we'll bounce that mail
back to you. At this time, due to problems at our end, YOU CANNOT 
REACH MR MUTLU AT ANADOLU.MICHIGAN.COM. 

Lets all just respect each other's rights and stay away from the nasties. 

Thank you for your attention.
John Palmer
POSTMASTER
Michigan.COM
jp@michigan.com 
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