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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Star Trek Realism
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:48:21 GMT
Distribution: sci,world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <2A75F5E7.6C86@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, hangfore@spf.trw.com 
   (John Stevenson) writes:
> In article <nsmc5kc@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> wsj@triton.wpd.sgi.com (Bill  
> Johnson) writes:
>> (deletions for brevity)
>> inside the ship, but a phaser hit knocks the crew out of their chairs.
>> 
> And No seat belts. How many crew members have been killed or seriously  
> injured because they didn't wear their seat belts :-o
> 
> John Stevenson
> hangfore@spf.trw.com

No need to worry, Starfleet later installed air bags...

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
From: higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Martino's lunar suicide (was Re: message from Space Digest)
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:24:57 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory

In article <1992Jul23.173503.17904@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
+> In article <1992Jul20.202613.268441@cs.cmu.edu+> TSURAH01@asntsu.asn.net writes:
+>>To Anyone on this list who would enjoy answering my question about outer
+>>space:
+>>   I am an artist and independent producer. 
[...]
+>>   Tomorrow you leave [...] to colonize the moon. 
+>>[...]and must weigh no
+>>more than a pound. In it you must pack whatever you need to sustain you
+>              ^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+>>emotionally and spiritually in outer space.
+>  ^^^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^^^^^
+>>   What will you choose??
+> 
+>      You're kidding, right??
+> 
+>      I'd take a small ceremonial knife from some far away eastern
+> nation so that I could slit my wrists and/or throat.
+> If ONE POUND is all that I was allowed for personal effects,
+> including entertainment and spiritual comfort, I'd go absolutely
+> bonkers inside of a couple of months.  Same would be true for
+> any normal human.

Gee whiz, Bob, haven't you ever done a Gedankenexperiment?  A friendly
artist shows up and asks your opinion and you flame her (or him, we
don't have a name) right between the eyes!  

I concede that you gave an answer to the question.  If you really feel
that way, I suggest you take a pint bottle of cyanide instead.  You
can use it to trade with your suicidal crewmates for as long as you're
still interested in staying alive.

Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey              | According to the doctrine
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory  | of natural selection,
Bitnet:           HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET  | *you* were designed
Internet:       HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV  | by a committee.
SPAN/Hepnet:           43011::HIGGINS  | The biggest committee ever.
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: st17a@judy.uh.edu (University Space Society)
Subject: Re: Delta
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.161541.16680@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development) writes...
> 
>In article <27JUL199219250158@judy.uh.edu>, seds%cspar.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes...
>>You know what's funny here is that this idea was tried successfully about 
>>thirty years ago. The boosters that were paralled together were Redstones, and
>>the vehicle produced was the Saturn I and IB. Very successful rockets, 28
>>launches and *NO* failures. 
>> 
> 
>Uh, not really. The S-I stage was built out of Redstone and Jupiter structural
>parts (i.e. tanks), but propulsion, guidance and components to tie all this
>together were all new. 
> 
>The HL Delta idea was to cluster complete Delta 1st stage cores, functioning
>independantly, i.e. if one engine shutdown early there would be no way to
>transfer the propellants from that core and run the other engines longer to
>compensate. Avoiding complexities like this would have kept the development
>time/cost down.
> 
>gary

Gary where did you get this info? I went over to the Alabama Space and 
Rocket Center and looked at the Saturn IB there and looked at some of the
drawings that I happen to have inherited from some of my German friends and
they engines and tanks sure look independant to me. There are 8 tanks, 
eight engines, eight sets of propulsion plumbing. The beauty of the
design is that if one engine goes south then you do not lose the mission due
to some screw up in the fuel system.  The rocket team was working on an
extremely tight budget on the Saturn I stage. It was completed and tested for
the first time BEFORE the Army Ballistic Missile Command was transferred to
the Jurisdiction of NASA. (ground and not flight test) The first flight
of the Saturn I was before the Gemini launches on the Titan II. I think it
was in 63.  A good book on the early days of the Von Braun team at Redstone
Arsenal and a good prophetic insight on the burgeoning NASA space program
is to be had in "Count Down To Decision" By General Bruce Medaris, Who was Von
Brauns boss at the ABMA. It also tells how the Saturn I was funded as well
as the Redstone.  One funny story in the book describes the idiotic 
budgetary constraints that would not let Von Braun order a typwriter for
his secretary, so they ordered a "rotary data recording device". That
got through the purchasing department like a breeze.  You are right that the
avionics were new, so will the Delta's in a clustered set up.

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville
From: srobiner@pollux.usc.edu (Steven Robiner)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Galileo Antenna. What's left to try?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:37:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul24.191039.11492@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>The best news occurred in the past week when the motors were 
>turned on twice for a two second duration each time.  The data indicates 
>ballscrew had turned and this provides a lot of confidence in the
>upcoming pulsing attempt.


If that doesn't work....

Has anyone considered the possibility of spinning the probe
very fast along the axis of the antenna?  Perhaps the centriptal force
might pull the antenna into place.





=steve=





>>What is the confidence that *some* technique will succeed?
>
>The best news occurred in the past week when the motors were 
>turned on twice for a two second duration each time.  The data indicates 
>ballscrew had turned and this provides a lot of confidence in the
>upcoming pulsing attempt.
>     ___    _____     ___
>    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
>    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
> ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Most of the things you 
>/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | worry about will never
>|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | happen.
>


Xref: sparky sci.space:10742 news.answers:2243
From: derek.wee@f820.n680.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Derek Wee)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: FTL drives
Date: 20 Jul 92 09:35:01 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: dj
Hmmm. What were the principles of the interference fringe drive and the 
spindizzy drive?


---
 * Origin: Coffee Au Go-Go. We don't know what it means either. (3:680/820)
From: roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Decisions
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:19:04 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards


-From: flower@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graham Flower)
-Subject: Stellar Structure References
-Date: 27 Jul 92 23:55:18 GMT
-Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

-...

-Graham Flower ms 90-TT               |  Better to have convictions and act on 
-Hewlett-Packard  350 W Trimble Rd    |  them, even if they are wrong, than to  
-Microwave Semiconductor Division     |  waffle in indecision.

I don't agree with that as a general rule for living. You have to weigh the
expected cost of making the wrong decision against the opportunity cost of
postponing the decision. Often the reason for indecision is lack of adequate
information to make a good decision, and often this problem can be remedied
if you wait until better information is available. Sometimes an entirely new
option becomes available, that is better than any of the previous choices.
It really has to be judged on a case-by-case basis.

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
From: amon@elegabalus.cs.qub.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re:Clinton Space Position
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:45:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul29.134709.257701
Distribution: sci
Organization: [via International Space University]
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

> Henry, your technical postings are probably the best things in  
sci.space.*.
> However, I would respectfully ask that those who neither pay the  
taxes
> nor vote in the elections kindly refrain from posting politcal  
analyses
> of political statements from the USAian election campaign.  If you  
have a
> technical reason why something a candidate proposes is a good or  
bad idea,
> fine.  However, a cross border political analysis is rude at best.   
Thanks.
> Stop Canadian Imperialism!  Yankee Go Home! :-)
> 


Ah, but the ability to be correct does not respect borders. And  
besides which, national borders are a hold over of the primitave  
tribal instincts we should wish to leave behind.

Do Ohions complain about Pennsylvanians holding opinions about  
gubernatorial elections?

					Live Free or Die
					Dale Amon

****  Vote for Andre Marrou *****
******* Legalize Freedom ********
Xref: sparky sci.space:10591 sci.astro:8183 alt.alien.visitors:4641 alt.paranormal:1898
From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Phobos2-probe UFO pic-pro and contra
Keywords: ufo
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:19:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <R2A5BC@zelator.in-berlin.de>, leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann) writes:
> [someone else's quoted mail]
> [quoted mail from me, ending with:]
> 
> I've observed this discussion before, and I don't care to carry it on.
> It is the provenance of conspiracy theorists and ufo true-believers, not
> anyone who has ever worked with CCDs or space equipment. The only reason
> I commented is because after posting it to sci.astro, you posted it to an
> erotica group, which was inappropriate.
>		Tarl
>
>
> So, what do You all say about this ?

a) You need to read the netiquette documents on news.newusers. Posting a
   piece of private email without permission of the sender, is considered
   at best impolite and at worst of dubious legality.
b) My email clearly stated that I did not care to get involved in the
   discussion, the only reason I commented is that you had posted the
   picture to an inappropriate group. Your posting my email under these
   conditions is flat offensive.
c) Kindly keep ufo discussions off of the sci. groups and erotica groups.
   You have your forum on alt.alien-visitors and alt.paranormal, keep to
   them.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Xref: sparky sci.space:11011 sci.space.shuttle:2006
From: dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (David O Hunt)
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: shuttle --ufo?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:34:30 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The general consensus (discussed extensively on sci.skeptic) is that these
are two pieces of ice, or possible glare on the camera.

David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own.          | Towards both a
Mechanical Engineering      | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and
Carnegie Mellon University  | <<<Use Golden Rule v2.0>>>  | Jewish homeland!
============================================================================
Email:  dh4j@cmu.edu            Working towards my "Piled Higher and Deeper"

Democracy is based on the theory that the people know what they want...and
they deserve to get it - GOOD AND HARD!
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: GPS for satellite positioning
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:38:26 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Jul24.053343.12852@news.iastate.edu> cfrandal@iastate.edu (Charles F Randall) writes:
>I've been told that there are _no_ satellites that use GPS for their
>positioning data. I find this hard to believe. I've seen
>advertisements for the Monarch GPS receivers in 'Space News'.

Bear in mind that satellites have long lead times and in recent years have
tended toward very conservative design.  The idea makes sense, it's just
that nobody has tried it in space yet.  I have a dim recollection that
there are plans for trials soon.

Bear in mind, also, that operational use is still hampered by the rather
incomplete satellite constellation.  There are times and places in which
there aren't enough satellites visible for effective use.

>It is my understanding that the current level of GPS is only capable
>of providing lat. and long. information and in the future, they plan
>to incorporate elevation. Is this correct?

No.  The GPS signals provide full three-dimensional positioning, given
that your receiver is sufficiently intelligent and that enough satellites
are in view.

>Finally, does anyone know if crew members of the Shuttle have taken up
>a hand held GPS unit?

I haven't heard of it.  Bear in mind that a lot of the handhelds are
deliberately limited in the speed and altitude they can handle, to ensure
that they are not useful for missile guidance.
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: PPK
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:09:51 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards


-From: TSURAH01@asntsu.asn.net
-Subject: message from Space Digest
-Date: 20 Jul 92 20:07:57 GMT
-Organization: [via International Space University]

-To Anyone on this list who would enjoy answering my question about outer
-space:
-   The year is 2010. This is your last day on earth. Tomorrow you leave with
-the first civilian crew hand-picked by NASA to colonize the moon. NASA
-prepares your OFK - Offical Flight Kit - with all you need to survive
-physically on the moon. You are also allowed to take your PPK - Personal
-Preference Kit. It is the size of a traveler's shaving kit and must weigh no
-more than a pound. In it you must pack whatever you need to sustain you
-emotionally and spiritually in outer space.
-   What will you choose??

Well, you wouldn't need anything that could be produced on the moon, and 
you wouldn't need photos, other images, literature, etc., because they can
be transmitted from Earth later on. So what you would want to concentrate on
are things that you value in themselves.

Some possibilities you might consider:
 - Legal documents (i.e. marriage licence), autographs, baseball cards, etc.
 - Food items that won't be available on the moon for many decades
    (though ruling out the possibility of ever being able to get things by
    "mail order" even at sky-high prices seems a little farfetched).
 - The shrunken head of a revered ancestor. (Bones, in the traditional Chinese
   custom, would be a little too heavy and bulky, unless further reduced.)
 - The Hope Diamond.

I wouldn't necessarily choose any of these, but others might.
What do people typically carry in their "luggage allowance" on the Concorde?

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov

From: flower@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graham Flower)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:55:18 GMT
Subject: Stellar Structure References
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: sci.space



      Can somebody recommend a popular or more demanding book that discusses
      the (Bethe) sequence of nuclear reactions that explains the evolution
      of Stars and the distribution of chemical abundances in the universe.

      I would like to work on this at the level of Clayton's book but would
      like to read some popular accounts first so that I have some perspective
      before grinding through the trenches. I would be most appreciative.


Graham Flower ms 90-TT               |  Better to have convictions and act on 
Hewlett-Packard  350 W Trimble Rd    |  them, even if they are wrong, than to  
Microwave Semiconductor Division     |  waffle in indecision.
San Jose, California, 95131          |
 graham_flower@sj.hp.com             |


Newsgroups: sci.space
From: ewininge@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eric Wininger)
Subject: E-mail newsletters
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:10:21 GMT



Are there any newsletters that are disseminated through e-mail relating
to the topics of astronomy/space science/NASA Headline News. If these
newsletters do exist, could someone please tell me how I could
subscribe to them. Please respond via e-mail, and I will summarize
all of the replies to the net.
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Propulsion questions
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:02:02 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<BrKIJJ.CKH@watdragon.waterloo.edu> <rmartin.711643766@thor>
	<NICKH.92Jul20115850@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>
	<rmartin.711737055@yosemite>
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <rmartin.711737055@yosemite> rmartin@yosemite.Rational.COM (Bob Martin) writes:

   [about a black-hole drive]

   Can anybody tell us the efficiency of this with respect to a fusion
   drive?

I can guarantee that the answer to that question is "no". I mean, it
might be a neat idea, but we're not going to have a decent figure for
the efficiency of it until we've actually got a small black hole to
play with.

Nick
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: NASA experiment could save lives, time and money [Release 92-115] (Forwarded)
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:35:25 GMT

In article <7862@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>
>The sudden availability of lots of emergency beacons will almost certainly
>result in lots more false, maliciously false and prankster alarms.

Maybe its not as bad as your gut reaction would lead you to believe.  By
definition this system would be oriented to areas where there are few
people.  Pranksters are unlikely to journey to a wilderness area just to
get their jollies.  Calls identified as coming from relatively populated
areas could be dispatched to local authorities, who would deal with
false alarms in the usual way.  When you pickup a signal from the North
Slope, you can be pretty sure it's genuine.  If it's 50 miles from
Anchorage, you leave it to the local people who know if it's near a road
or not and can act accordingly.  It's not like a malicious distress
call: the search area will be small and easy to locate.  Come to think
of it, we've had radios for long enough that rescue operations will be
used to a certain amount of background noise from cranks.


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From: mike@execu.execu.com (Mike McCants)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Wanted satellite tracking program for GPS sats
Keywords: GPS
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:00:49 GMT
Organization: Austin Dev. Center, Comshare Inc.

In article <1402@lewis.OZ> steve@lewis.OZ (Steve Pattinson) writes:
>Can anybody please tell me where I can get a satellite tracking program
>suitable for use with GPS satellites.

I'm sure I can fix up a program to do what you want - no charge.

>Please don't e-mail me - incoming messages are broke!

My user name on Celestial is Mike McCants.
My email address is mike@comshare.com.
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: seds%cspar.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov
Subject: Re: Delta
Summary: HL Delta doesn't use 63 boosters 8-)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:25:00 GMT

In article <150geiINNgif@agate.berkeley.edu>, gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes...
>In article <9207261355.AA18061@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov> roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts) writes:
>>[...]
>>There have been proposals for a heavylift Delta, which as I gather is 
>>essentially a whole batch of Delta rockets (complete with boosters)
>>strapped together. 
>>[...]
> 
>	The HL Delta design doesn't use solid boosters on all the
>"core" vehicles... the one I saw had 24 Castors, four per on the
>six outer Delta vehicles.  The problem that you pointed out [deleted from
>included text] with staging solid boosters from the "inside" of the
>cluster is avoided by not putting any inside 8-)
>	The HL Delta is a neat vehicle concept... it does as reported
>here have a safety margin in excess of 2.0 in all of the new hardware,
>because the designer didn't want to spend $5 billion dollars and five
>years to qualify it.  He was figuring an order of magnitude
>less expensive and eighteen months.  Probably optimistically,
>but nonethelessvery reasonable. 8-)  I had a chance to talk to 
>him for a while ... he knew it could be done quick and dirty and wanted
>to do it that way, dammit. 8-)  [name escapes me entirely, and I may
>not have written it down... sorry].
> 
>-george william herbert
>gwh@soda.berkeley.edu
> 
> 

You know what's funny here is that this idea was tried successfully about 
thirty years ago. The boosters that were paralled together were Redstones, and
the vehicle produced was the Saturn I and IB. Very successful rockets, 28
launches and *NO* failures. 

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville



Newsgroups: sci.space
From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: does anyone know???
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:40:55 GMT

In article <NICKH.92Jul21073149@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>In article <l6mj1uINN6n0@aludra.usc.edu> kale@usc.edu (Nitin Kale) writes:
>
>   does anyone know how i can get in touch with Dr. Stephen Hawking ?
>   email , ph. no., address ????
>
>Yes, I do. I don't know if I should tell you his email address,
>though. Look at it this way, he's a very busy man with a terminal
>illness and great communication difficulties. Replying to anything you
>send him would likely take him hours. I think his time is more
>valuable than that.
>
   His graduate students answer his correspondance, possibly after
consulting with him for some of the details. Just a couple of months ago
somebody came up to me asking for a 'translation' (physics to English) of
the answer he got to a letter he sent to Stephen Hawking. The reply
clearly stated that it had been written by a grad student. The rest was
not so clear, but that was probably because I didn't know the original
question as phrased, and the fellow who showed me the letter didn't have
a copy of the letter he sent.

-- 
 Christopher Neufeld....Just a graduate student  | Talk sense to a fool
 neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca    Ad astra  | and he calls you
 cneufeld@terranet.cts.com                       | foolish.
 "Don't edit reality for the sake of simplicity" |       - Euripides
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