HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Joke.
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:24:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <dmkasten.0596@redorc.chi.il.us>, dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us (Bowie Poag) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.185025.10942@hsr.no>, karl@hsr.no (Karl Martin Lund)
> writes:
> >What's the difference between a guy selling second hand cars and a guy
> >selling computers?
> >
> >The guy selling second hand cars knows when he is lying.   (sp?)
> >
> >      __ -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >     /// | Karl Martin Lund |   No DoD#    | Find no hope in nothing new |
> >__  ///  |                  |              |  when I never had a dream   |
> >\\\///   |   karl@hsr.no    | Honda VF750F |         come true      (ST) |
> > \///    -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Heres a computer joke:
> 
> 
> IBM.
> 
> 
> 
>         +-----------------------------------------------------------+
>         |o|              I think, therefore I Amiga.              |=|
>         +-----------------------------------------------------------+
>         | Douglas Michael Kasten (DMK) | Amiga 2000HD/5 with a tiny |
>         |  dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us   | little 21" Toshiba monitor.|
>         +------------------------------+----------------------------+

Here's two more...

Apple.
Atari.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: 32bit versions of wb3 ??
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:33:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.163819.25003@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
>As WB3.0 won't run on a non-32bit processor they might well of done.

So I guess you have tried since you know?

(3.0 not working on 68000 != 3.0 ROMs in 1200/4000 not working on 68000.
But actually I believe it could if it was relocated)

>mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
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#Disclaimer: This university and me does not agree.
From: ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is ProTracker 3.0 a fake?
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:06:32 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <1993Jan20.093437.29049@aston.ac.uk> frostmd@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Matthew Frost) writes:
>Sam Hulick (shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I'm afraid to dload PT 3.0 until I know it's legit. :)  After all, 2.3b
>: just came out..  so what's the scoop?
>: 
>: -- 
>:     // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
>:    // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ "            ,                       ."
>: \\// OS 2.04       \__\/ /               --Harpo Marx
>:  \/                     /
>I would like to know about this too!
>
>
>--

Well it is the official release of ProTracker .
But be warned it is only a beta test release, alot of troubles have been brought
to the attention of a certain Mr Tom Bech (Outland of Cryptoburners)
Sure pull it down and have a look, but it is not like any other  protracker
you have seen.

My friends

U4ia....hanging on to PT1.3 for a while
From: wjbaird@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 or SGI for video
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:10:20 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1993Jan27.041626.13919@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <C1HsGv.HFI@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> wjbaird@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird) writes:
>>In article <dmkasten.05b9@redorc.chi.il.us> dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us (Bowie Poag) writes:
>>>
>>>Considering you can buy a board for an Amiga for $9000 that will give you 2x
>>>the power of a $200,000 SGI Workstation, yup, id say the Amiga is a wise
>>>decision.. 
>>
>
>Great!  Hey, most of us are not so stupid as to doubt the prowess of any 
>of the SGI machines or to believe that an A4000 is going to seriously
>compete with one as a graphics workstation.  But the A4000 and other Amigas
>are better than any SGI machine as a personal computer.  When the amount
>of free and/or inexpensive software for the Indigos increases and the prices
>drop below $2000, you might see a mass exodus to that platform, but you
>won't given their current hardware and software pricing.

I agree whole-heartedly.  All I wanted to do with my post was:
1) Show that you didn't have to spend $200,000 to get an SGI workstation.
2) Show that it would be more than half the speed of a 4000.

I agree that an Indigo wouldn't make a very good home computer
(although I think I'd rather program on one than on an Amiga).  But I
thought that the original thread had been about which machine was
better _for graphics_.  If you want to do serious graphics
programming, I still think that an Indigo, or one of the low-end
SparcStations would be a better bet than an Amiga (if you have the
extra $$$ to afford the workstation).  The graphics libraries (GL on
the SGI, and XGL on the Sun) on the workstations are a lot more
powerful than anything I've seen on the Amiga (i.e. there are routines
for doing transformations, adding gouraud shading, support of light
models and materials, etc.  As far as I can tell, I'd have to write
all of this stuff from scratch on the Amiga...)


>it is silly for people to compare the Indigos and Amigas in terms of which
>one is better for personal use.  Even if one could easily afford the $10000
>price, the software cost would tend to scare off most people.

That's true, software for UNIX boxes is usually quite expensive
(although there is a wealth of PD X stuff available.)

>
>I would love it if my Amiga were to have some of the power that an Indigo
>has, but not if it means having to sell one's first-born to do so.
>
>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>

Warren
From: ramsch@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Martin Ramsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: MakeLink
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:20:23 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.forwiss.uni-passau.de

In article <alien.02sl@acheron.amigans.gen.nz>, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
|> [...]
|> When I do a dir, both files appear, and when I type them, Bravo now has the
|> same text as Alpha. Looks OK so far.
|> 
|> *But*, when I use an editor to change the text in Alpha, Bravo remains
|> unchanged! As far as I can see, the "MakeLink" command isn't doing what it's
|> advertised to do, it's just doing a simple copy. You get two completely
|> separate files, with no link between them at all.
|> 
|> What's going on?

Hi,

I guess, the MakeLink command works right. I myselfuse (hard-)links
extensivly without problems :-)

But your editor might be the malefactor. Some editors do not save
over the old file (this would overwrite the common content of the
original file and all its links), but rename the old file as backup
copy and produce a entirely new file with the given file name.
So the links point to the OLD renamed file, that may have been moved
to t:, or become real files, if their 'parent' file gets deleted.

-- 
Froehlich gruessend

 _ // Martin Ramsch
 \X/  ramsch@forwiss.uni-passau.de
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: new machine sales
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:09:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:

> Commodore needs to do two things this year.
> 
> 1. Advertise more. They have to make more people aware of the Amiga. They 
>    have to attact new users to the Amiga.

Definitely - advertising on signs in the subway wouldn't be a bad start,
television would be excellent, especially (as someone here thought up) during
Babylon 5.

> 2. They have to strengthen their distribution base. They have to concentrate
>    on getting the Amiga into large franchies/chains to ensure that the Amiga
>    is available throughout the country. The also have to encourage these
>    companies to carry software with the computers. 

I agree - CompUSA would be an excellent carrier, but CBM really needs to
include some store demos with their shipped machines so that people can
experience some of the neat things the machines can do right there.  Interactive
demos done in SCALA would be really nice.  AmigaVision would be far too slow to
impress anyone.
-- 
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Jake Rose              :: Every cloud has a silver lining.
jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Every silver lining has a cloud inside it.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
From: pgl@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (Paul Linton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is ProTracker 3.0 a fake?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:34:32 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

> I'm afraid to dload PT 3.0 until I know it's legit. :) 
 
Well, it's legit.  3.0 is by the CryptoBurners.  I just got it last 
night.  It's quite different from the other ProTrackers... this is
a beta version, and it should be completed around Easter.



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The Draco Unix System [BBS]
From: slbrbbbh@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Stefan Le Breton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga Guide: where can i get it???
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:34:39 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

Hi,
the number of *.guide documentation grows, but no reader is included
with the workbench. Yes, there's i.e. Hyper but it isn't fully compatible
or i might buy SAS/C, but I'm not a C-programmer!
So: where can i get this reader without buying a bunch of progs i don't
need?? (hey Commodore!)

SLB
reply by e-mail: slbrbbbh@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal  )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Type Smith Question
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:52:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1jnh49INNq3k@news.aero.org> foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:

>Some time ago I read about a program called Type Smith. It is supposed
>to be possilbe to create Pagestream fonts using it. I tried to buy it
>at Creative Computers but the person I talked with could not find it
>listed in his catalogs. 

>Could some one tell me who porduces this program?

>Richard Foy


Soft-Logik

It's not been released yet...

Crystal
  ;>
  

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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: The State of Amiga Software...a proposal
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.misc, comp.sys.amiga.programmer, comp.sys.amiga.applications
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:22:04 GMT



what an outstanding article, Sean.

while i disagree with a few of the points you bring up, i can say that
this article *defines* the term _Constructive Criticism_.

i only hope that marc barrett might actually *learn* something for
once, and read your article.

the difference between puerile whining about what you don't like, and
expressing useful, cogent insights with a view towards improving the
situation, is clearly evident here.

-- 
paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)

"Those who lack the courage will always find a philosophy to justify it."
      -Albert Camus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: new machine sales
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:08:27 EST


JR>Does anyone know how well the new AGA machines are selling? Commodore
JR>had a terrible last quarter and their stock has been sliding ever since.
JR>I'm hoping for a turn around with the next quarterly earnings due out at
JR>the end of Jan '93.
JR>--
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JR> VOICE: 804-864-2008  FAX: 804-864-8294   MS 152E, Hampton, Va. 23665-5225
JR>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

 I've talked to a number of dealers in my area who are happy with A1200 sales.
In fact, their only complaint is that Commodore isn't supplying them with 
enough units. They have more orders then they have stock and users want their
A1200s now! Not in two weeks!
 
 As for Commodore having a terrible last quarter! Nothing to worry or panic 
about. The way the market has been going, they are happy to still be in 
business. IBM lost over 4 billion dollars last quarter! And there are 1000s 
more companies who are in the same position. Their sales should strengthen with
these new machines. Now if they can just get that advertisement down pack!
 
 Commodore has never been very successful at advertising. They try and try
but never manage to find the right promotion. The best promoting they ever had
was in the C64 days when they used to play the C64 commercials with the beatle
song. Everyone remembers those. 
 
 Commodore needs to do two things this year.
 
 1. Advertise more. They have to make more people aware of the Amiga. They 
    have to attact new users to the Amiga.
 
 2. They have to strengthen their distribution base. They have to concentrate
    on getting the Amiga into large franchies/chains to ensure that the Amiga
    is available throughout the country. The also have to encourage these
    companies to carry software with the computers. 

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: cjfst4@cis.pitt.edu (Chad Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: new machine sales
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:24:10 GMT
Reply-To: cjfst4+@pitt.edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Re: talking about IBM having a lousy quarter...well, that's true, but if you
look in ClariNet you'll see that Intel, Microsoft and Electronic Arts all have
had record years last year.  Sure, some companies hurt (IBM and Borland) but
you can't say EVERYONE did.

Re: Advertising and major chains...to HELL with getting the Amiga INTO chains,
they should try and KEEP Amiga products in chains that carry them!  The latest
casuality: Electronics Boutique is liquidating the last of their Amiga
software.  But you're definately right, Commodore needs to advertise much more.
Unfortunately they are now behind in technology as compared to clones, so they
need to sink _more_ money into R&D instead of pulling it for ads.  Let's hope
they can keep their heads above water long enough...

--
Chad Freeman 					mail: cjfst4+@pitt.edu
			The end.
From: davet@mondas.uk.sun.com (Dave Tong - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: SRT - where is it?
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: davet@whippet.uk.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
NNTP-Posting-Host: mondas.uk.sun.com

OK so I did a silly thing. I'm not sure how, but I deleted SRT.
Funny thing is, I'm damned if I can find another copy. 

I've only found one FTP site with it, but it's in Finland and
doesn't seem to like Anonymous FTP. 

Anyone know where I can get it?

	Dave

(SRT -	Set Requestor Text. Lets you change the messages in requestor boxes,
	plus also traps TASK HELD message. Written by someone at C= I think)
From: cs_e445@king.ac.uk (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: 32bit versions of wb3 ??
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:50:31 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi Netters,
Does anyone know why C= don't make specific version of Workbench for specific
chips.??
What I mean is compile WB (presume in C) with flags, so 68020/68040 instructions
can be used.
Wouldn't WB/and its other applications run faster, as the later chips will
have better instructions??

I relize that this wouldn't work on a stock 68000, but I don't see any real
cost in doing this. Amigas generally come with WB so, if I upgrade to a 
4000, then I get a faster version of WB.
Or is the speed increase minimal and a waste of time.. ??

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
----------------------------------------------
Amiga - Anything else isn't worth considering
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: The State of Amiga Software...a proposal
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:58:40 GMT
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What's this about Gold Disk?

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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Jan.Lucenius@tel.vtt.fi (Jan Lucenius)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WB Font?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:25:04 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
Reply-To: lucenius@tel.vtt.fi (Jan.Lucenius)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de's message of Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:59:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195913@informatik.uni-kl.de> c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de (Christop Feck) writes:

>PS: Support WB font! Don't use this f*****g topaz8! (no flames on this please :)

I have a problem with the font preferences in WB. Could someone please help?

Although I have a lot of fonts copied to my fonts: directory (assigned to
DH0:fonts), all of them are not recognized or cannot be opened when I click
the font icon in preferences - for example I do not managed to set the
system font to times. I think that the only readable is topaz 8, the rest
are either too big to fit 80 characters on a line or too small to be displayed
clearly in a non-interlaced monitor. And I think even the WB 1.3 system font
looks nicer than topaz 8. How can I get preferences recognize also other
fonts? The IBM fonts (do not remember where I have got them, possibly from
Term) looks nice - and are even recognized, but they follow the MS-DOS enc-
oding, thus making them unusuable in scandinavia.
Observe that my monitor flickers with interlacing, it is the cheapest possible
Philips, so I generally use it in non-interlace mode.

Jan
From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: VirusZ Question
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:04:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

I just started using the virus checker 'VirusZ' and like it a great deal,
except for one small point.  Is there a way to keep the program from opening
its own window?  (With VirusChecker, this is done with the -n switch.)  Any
help would be appreciated.



-- 
                              _
Kevin Miller            Amiga// UC Berkeley Physics/Astronomy Double Major
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu _500// "Why is there blue sky, why is there red
kevinm@teripin.com      \\ // sky, now's the time to ask the reason why.""
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Disclaimer: If you find an opinion, kill it.  They are dangerous.
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 32bit versions of wb3 ??
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:06:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu

In article <major-250193113516@130.102.116.110> major@biosci.uq.oz.au (Viktor Major) writes:
>		Excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't the MC68000 32 bit wide inside with a
>16 bit data path. As I understand it, the code for MC68000 IS a 32 bit
>code.

This is correct. The 68000 has 32 bit large registers (D0-D7/A0-A7), with 32 
operations. (ADD.L D0,D1) Worrying about 32-bit code is an IBM-ism.
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From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 IDE is SLOWER THAN FLOPPY on writes, WHY???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:46:07 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wembley.uni-paderborn.de

[stuff deleted]

|> Also, it appears that the default format on the A4000's drive is NOT formatted
|> with the Directory Caching option.

It's formatted with DC-OFS, but I changed it to FFS, because there are NO
disk tools for DC-?FS and I don't think that it is very reliable yet.

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!!_HiSoft-DevPac3.0
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:47:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <124e.ANN@wizard.GUN.de>, abraxas@wizard.gun.de (Reinhold Prickartz) writes:
> 
> PLEASE!!!!!!! Send me the Address from HiSoft (UK)! I will Update my DevPac 2.0 to
> 3.xx.
> 

Hisoft,
The Old School,
Greenfield,
Bedford MK45 5DE
U.K.

Tel: 525 718181

Cheers,

Bill Bennett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.video
From: newton@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Dale E Newton)
Subject: A2300 Amiga Genlock flicker :-(
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:53:36 GMT

I experience an annoying overlay image flicker when mixing my Sony
camcorder signal through my internal A2300 Amiga Genlock.  The
interference appears to be on the Amiga screen, e.g. text and borders
jiggle slightly when the genlocked image is created.  The video
overlay input image instantly clears up and goes blank when the tape
comes to an unrecorded portion and the amiga screen goes normal
(stable).  Anyone know what the problem might be with this?  I figure
I should get a stable clear image when the external vid input is
overlayed and I'm not.  It's very difficult to read text for instance.

Any tips or hint would be appreciated.  email or post.

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