From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Win Win situation for Muslims Hindus & Secularists at Ayodhya
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:29:11 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1993Jan6.152014.8008@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
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>In article <C0F0o9.AsH@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes...
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>> 
>>    It is truly a shame that you and a few others like Virendra Verma, 
>>    the Purple Bleeder, Indu, Deepak, Kuram Narayana and a 
>>    more sober-sounding person from princeton,  Raj Bhatnagar, .. 
>>    should write in support of this absolutely barbarious act.
>>    What is bothersome is that in the name of religious fundementalism
>>    a section of Indian Citizens are subjugated to a second class
>>    citizenship ( vast numbers of Muslims were very productive 
>>    people who suffered enormously under the oppressive Caste system
>>    of 'Hindu' Hitler Manu and they found a way out by moving to
>>    another religion and now this.. Hmmm..). It is utter nonsense to say
>>    that Muslims in India are any different from you or me.
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>	Selva, I thought I will never confront you. But since you have
>	mentioned my name, you deserve a prompt reply. It is not shame
>	but a grace of hinduism that we are talking against the barbaric
>	politics of India. Ayodhya is just a symbol of that voice. I
>	don't know how much you know of hinduism, I can defend the so
>	called barbaric act of Mosque domilition based on hindu argument.
>	Can you tell me how many dead bodies the kar sevaks have to go
>	through before they demolished the mosque? None. The violence
>	in the aftermath of that demolition is created by Congress and
>	other pseudo secularists so that they can get widespread support
>	for anti-demolition activities and particularly to diminish the
>	popularity of BJP in the hindi-belt. I have no problem with this,
>	it is all poltics. Let us apply a spiritual argument.
>
>	The killing of innocent people is anti-hindu. Using violent means
>	is also anti-hindu. That is not the only hindu idea. Hinduism also
>	talks about evil as God. When the system gets beyond repair, the
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>	evil forces of God take control of the situation. This may sound
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>	evil to you but from a non-ethical point of view, there is nothing
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>	wrong with this evil. It is due to our lower understanding of
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                Virendra Verma, you are quite amazing. Vijay Fafat
                 will love this !  How come you guys know God so well ?!
                God must be quite happy to have such wonderful secretaries !
                
                 
>	knowledge of things (which is predominantly by natural forces of
>	guna) that we categorise between good and evil. It is because of
>	this philosophy that Krishan had to ask Arjuna to kill Kauravas.
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>	When a person raises himself beyond the forces of gunas, that
>	consciousness is what Krishna was talking about as Divine nature
>	which does not distinguish between moral and ethical aspects of
>	good and evil.
>


              The above para of yours shows how dangerous a view you
              guys are espousing !! 
             
              Using 'philosophies and ethics' from Mahabharat will
              will lead us to the same end as in Mahabharat ! 
              Can you please post the fate of Mahabharat heros and the
              great height of civilization achieved AFTER fighting the
              Mahabharat war ?  

              
>>     - Selva
>
>namaste,
>
>-- Virendra Verma
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          anbudan
          Selva