HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: New From The Grey Area
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:11:17 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, johns@hpqmola.sqf.hp.com ( John Struthers) spake unto the masses saying:

>> Out now...
>> Zoviet France		Collusion (*)
>
> Hi Al:
>      Have you heard this CD - any comments?  How does it 
>      compare with their earlier releases ....

Sorry, not heard it yet. I'm *hoping* John'll see his way to send me a
review copy, but he's only promised me _Auto Da Fe_ as yet. From what I can
recall of earlier Grey Area announcements, the disc is a compilation of
rarities and unreleased stuff. Shame about the Digi-pak though - to go from
the sort of packaging earlier Z*F releases have been in to a
digi-pak...sheesh.

Al

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From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:02:12 GMT
Organization: Malice=

>     A better question for you netters: what the heck is on the cover of
> Ministry's album The Land of Rape and Honey? I've been meaning to ask this
> for some time.......

I finally figured that one out a year ago...


If you look closely enough, it looks suspiciously like a dude with a broken
nose (nose bleeding) lying down in intense pain after getting the shit beaten
outta him.....


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From: loki@goat.geo.arizona.edu (loki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:05:39 GMT
Distribution: world,local

In article <3517@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>  writes:
> >     A better question for you netters: what the heck is on the cover of
> > Ministry's album The Land of Rape and Honey? I've been meaning to ask this
> > for some time.......
> 
> I finally figured that one out a year ago...
> 
> 
> If you look closely enough, it looks suspiciously like a dude with a broken
> nose (nose bleeding) lying down in intense pain after getting the shit beaten
> outta him.....
> 
> 

Its a holocaust photograph, as is the one on the inside of the mass grave;
as for the NIN, it looks suspiciously like a rib cage... 

anyway, Loki

"My how nothing changes: different bed, same position..." Lydia Lunch
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: J.G. Thirlwell
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:46:50 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.


JG Thirlwell helped EN put together Strategien Gegen Architekturen.
 S
St. Anthony
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: j.hayes@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (John Hayes)
Subject: LONG LIVE INDUSTRIAL
Keywords: industrial
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:32:11 GMT

Any hardcore noise/destroyed music bands/artists out there come and tour 
Australia. We dont get to hear any industrial here despite being the home of 
severed heads, SPK, and gum. Industrial culture has all but died in Sydney, 
but there are still a few of us in the underground that have faith. We are a 
cultural void - industrial music is almost impossible to get and live 
performances don't exist any more - HELP.

So if anyone from ILLUSION OF SAFETY, HATERS, P16D4, SBOTHI, RRRecords,
HANATARASH, A.N.P., NULL, DIE FORM, PGR, ARCANE DEVICE, CRANIOCLAST,
and anyone else who dares to believe in nothing expect taking everything 
to the extreme limits of society's acceptance, them make contact with me.

			VIRTUAL FLESH

Andrew Barnes (bend sinister)
Uni of Western Sydney
Sydney, Australia
From: jaa@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Ambrose)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Anybody knows THUD?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:09:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jaa@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Ambrose)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, JBER@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (JBER000) says:

>I' ve recently seen an ad promoting a CD from a new band called
>THUD. They were described as "Helmet beating Godflesh with Henry
>Rollins's leg".
> Has anybody heard them?

i saw them live, they  were kinda cool, but I dont hear any helmet,
godflesh or rollins really. Its just kinda straight foward  heavy grungy
metal. whatever.
I am not  very fond of them though. (i do like helmet rollins and
godflesh(streetcleaner mostly) )
--
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Overposting...
From: loki@goat.geo.arizona.edu (loki)
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:36:57 MST
Distribution: world,local


It seems that some people out there are really pissed about other people  
overposting or duplicate posting; rather than flaming the poster, you should  
probably think about first writing the monitor of your nntp server who's  
responsible for the queue length of back messages and also the informational  
value of the posts.  Its one thing to write about Trent & his mexican food, and  
another to post about contests, new information, and the like..

just my < $.02..

loki

"Uncle Phil can't live without his pills; has emphysema and is going blind.  We  
must find out where the money is; Get it now before he loses his mind..."
Tom Waits
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From: marc@csi.on.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Re: Einstuerzende Neubauten
Reply-To: msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: Carp Systems International
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31:03 GMT

In <1993Jan25.135931.12587@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:


> I'll point out that the popular songs by the mentioned artists were
>largely played in English versions, although the German ones were played a
>_few_ times. I never heard the German version of Der Kommisar until about
>5 years after it was popular.

Hmmm... I've NEVER heard an English version of Autobahn...
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:40:01 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: pigface members

I thought the girl with purple hair was Flour...at least that's what I thought
she said her name was at the CabMet show on the 22nd in Chicago when
she was talking to the cross-dresser "Jennifer".  Which reminds me.
Where did "jennifer" come from?  someone said they think it was Mary Byker
ut i'm not so sure. . .

Bones

"You can beat me, starve me, torture me, even kill me.  just don't BORE me"
---Gunny Highway
From: mikef@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: what i've heard from alien.
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:54:55 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

>well, on a mtv interveiw with alien jourgensen during the lolla' tour the
>name was explained to be either 'psalm, chapter or verse'.  al also said
>that was unimportant.  it's the 69 that matters.  i'll talk to my classical
>mythology prof about a translation.  he's the local expert on greek.

I believe I've stated this before, but no one quite seems to catch it.

Psalm 69 is a "Chapter" in Aleister Crowley's _Book Of Lies_.  (Jourgenson,
apparently, is a real big mage/magik fan...in fact one of the songs on _The
Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste_ contains a chant which is supposed to summon
an angel apparently....  A friend of mine who is a mage/magik freak told me
this, so...)

Anyway, the chapter "Psalm 69" in _The Book Of Lies_ is about oral sex rituals
(big surprise here).  Apparently, Crowley believed that human sexual secretions
were a path to eternal life.  I did read the first paragraph of the chapter,
and it was so inexplicably twisted that even I had to put the book down.

So that's the story about Ministry's latest album.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mnemonic@netcom.com (Rev Lebaredian)
Subject: Re: Ministy Samples?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:23:19 GMT

cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Arthur Gramlich) writes:
: 
: I was just watching the movie Blue Velvet for the first time in a couple
: years and noticed that Frank (Dennis Hopper) yells "Let's hit the fuckin'
: road". I assume this is where the sample from the cd single version of
: "Jesus Built My Hotrod". Anyone know where the others are from???

  I was wondering the same thing.  I saw Blue Velvet for the first time
about two months after JBMHR came out and I assumed that that is where
they sampled it.
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Cop Shoot Cop/ Sister Machine Gun
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:05:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>I wasn't about to spend megabucks on "unknown" bands, so I bought CSC's single
>"Suck City", 'cause it seemed more of an ep than a single. I don't really know
>what I was expecting, but it wasn't a bass/guitar/drums/vocals band. The liner
>says that there's a guy whose sole job is "tapes and samples", but I didn't hea
rmuch of those. I guess I was expecting somthing more..."industrial". Any
>comments on the sound of their albums compared to this single?

I liked _Consumer Revolt_ MUCH better than "Suck City".  Revolt is much
harsher, and if you will-  industrial sounding.  There you'll here a lot of
samples and heavy, heavy beats.  Give this one a listen, I liked it.


>Its the Sister Machine Gun album that really interested me, but not for its
>music. The liner says its was produced by Sascha KMFDM, and most songs were
>mixed by Dave Ogilvie, with Dwayne of SP playing keys on one track. So I
>figured that buying a used copy of this CD was a good use of money. Right?
>Well...sorta. The whole album is a NIN wannabe session. Everything about the
>music screams "WE WANNA BE THE NEXT NINE INCH NAILS!!". The beats are blatant
>attempts to update the "PHM" beats (let's face it - they sound kinda dated now)
,the lyrics are about the same sorta stuff: God/Christ, lovers, sin,etc. (SMG
 even says "I get what I have earned" in the chorus to one song...gee...what doe
sthat remind you of??). The vocal delivery is identical to Trent's, or as near a
sthis guy could get. The songs are the same sort of keyboards/beats/samples/nois
ewith occasional guitar. The guitar processing is remarkably similiar to what
>Trent used on "PHM".

Yeah, I felt the same way.  I also felt the same way about Machines of Loving
Grace.  PHM wanna-bees.  I really have no interest in either of these bands.


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From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Ministry sample sources
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:57:51 GMT

scupin@spot.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND) writes:

>         In "Jesus Built My Hotrod", the "Let's hit the fuckin' road"
>         sample is from "Blue Velvet", after Martin Sheen has kidnapped
>         the main character.

1) Yes, thank you for repeating the info for the 100th time.
2) Dennis Hopper.

Followups to alt.flame.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: dprosser@titan.ucs.umass.edu (dp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Music of THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:45:20 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu


	Okay, matt n. sharp, knock it OFF!
					dp


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From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: pigface members
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:30:59 GMT

hopson@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher H.G. Hopson) writes:

>Anyways... Why do they refuse to use opening bands with drummers ?

Usually that would be because you have several inconvenient choices:

Set up & Mike two drum sets (not always possible)
Opening band uses headliners drum set (most drummers would refuse to let someone
  else use their stuff)
Headline band uses opening bands drum kit (see above)
Drum kit switched at break (then headlining act either gets no sound check,
  or an inferior sound check)

What I used to try and do is work with bands that we knew, so it was no
big deal to share equipment.  A few bands we had open for us were all
MIDI, so that worked out well too.



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From: lprimera@scott.skidmore.edu (lisa primerano)
Subject: Re: pigface memberes
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:17:34 GMT


current tour includes:

martin atkins:  PiL, Kinning Joke, Murder Inc.
william tucker:  My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult
ogre:  Skinny Puppy
en esch:  KMFDM
matt schultz:  Lab Report
mary byker:  Gaye Bykers on Acid
flour:  Flour
hope nichols:  Fetchin' Bones, Sugarsmack

hope that helps...

-lisa
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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Godflesh discography?
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:19:36 GMT

In article <rfischer.728071549@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer) writes:
>b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez) writes:
>
>>I recently laid my hands on Godflesh's album 'pure' at the annual sale.
>>I haven't heard anything else by them , so I wonder what more records they've made and what they are like.
>
>>I thought pure was excellent, so any stuff in that vein will also do! :-)
>
>
>here is most everything....
>
>streetcleaner
>slavestate
>pure
>cold world
>
> all are, i believe, on earache records.
>
>there is also at least one other release, and possibly two. i have
>seen, but not heard, a cassette which i was told was a cassette-only
>release. i have also seen one other cd which seems to be self-titled.
>this disc may be the same as the supposed cassette-only, but then, it
>may not be. again, i have not heard either one. 
>btw, there is a video for 'mothra' which is mildly interesting.
>i only have streetcleaner, slavestate and pure. i enjoy slavestate the
>most out of the three. 
>
>russ fischer

I think the cassette-only release in bull...I'm pretty sure that both this
supposedly "cassette-only" release and the other self-titled CD are Godflesh's
debut album "Godflesh". There is also a 2 song EP titled "My Own Light" which
supposedly are two songs from Godflesh's first (and only, I think) demo. There's
also a live album;"Crumbled Flesh" but it's a really bad recording. And finally
there's a split EP from Godflesh/Loop, each covering each others songs.
From: blakesle@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Charles D Blakeslee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: chris & cosey
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:12:37 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

What videos has Spuppy done? I've only managed to see one in my 3 or 4 years of fandom...that was a video of "Dig It"

More importantly, are these videos (or those of FLA) available on a videocassette on the market somewhere?

THanks,

Squid-Toad
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From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Subject: Re: SPVideos (was:Re: chris & cosey)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:01:23 GMT

In article <18125@umd5.umd.edu> cmoore@lab3.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore) writes:
>on the topic of skinny puppy videos, they're supposedly releasing them all  
>sometime this spring....i believe there are videos of smothered hope, far  
>too frail, testure, dig it, warlock, and killing game, and probably  
>others....i've only seen dig it and killing game.  it will be difficult to  
>find this video if warlock is on it, it's banned everywhere.  my friend  
>saw it in england, and it consists mostly of violent scenes such as  
>people's throats being slit and blood pouring down drains....tast-y!!

Having seen the video, how can something be banned that takes its material
from R-rated horror flicks?

I'm sure Tipper and Co. have an answer.

Tino
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From: tankgirl@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Tank Girl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: |\| | |/| - fixed, is it history??
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:06:53 GMT
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i just picked up a copy of 'fixed' at the Wherehouse in Westwood Village in
sunny l0s angeles, CA for $6.49+tax, since Tower didn't have the CD.

the salesdrone said they had more copies of the CD version stashed in the
basement, and was clueless to any sort of deletion of said CD by the record
company.  Tower in Westwood was similarly clueless.

so take that how you will.

-Tank Girl
From: crimson@banzai.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Einstuerzende Neubauten
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:33:47 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
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X-Coffee-of-the-Day: jamaican blue mountain - yummy, but not worth $25 a pound...

dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:
>	Just coz you can't grok the lyrics doesn't mean others aren't going
>to get into it, y'know...

trivial point: when is language a barrier in the pursuit of grokking something?

joe, recently starting to explain grok to someone who asked, only to realize
that they _were_ reading SiaSL at the time...:-)

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From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry sample sourc
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

CDC>--->Front Line Assembly take s Hannibal the Cannibles "Go Now" in
CDC>--->theiroutcast track

CDC>I think they took one of the "Gun" samples from one of the "HellRaiser"
CDC>films ("...human hearts I have taken into Hell..."). But, not seeing any
CDC>of the "HellRaiser"" films, I am uncertain.

I'm sorry, but when are all these cheese ball bands going to learn that
Hellraiser has been done, not to mention Blade Runner, Evil Dead and all
those recent war movies. It's time to start being a little creative with
your sources Reis, and all those other EPS wielding wannabes...
anyways...

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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: Ministry samples Nine Inch Nails !
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:42:08 GMT

jlitchfi@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Jon Litchfield) writes:
>Well, I found it in the musical wasteland of Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario...so
>it can't be that hard to find. I think its a German import, but it was still
>pretty cheap, 10 bucks or so (that's Canadian $). Al & co. did a much better
>job on this single than "N.W.O.". The extended version of "Just One Fix" is
>actually significantly different than the album version. "Quick Fix" I like
>a lot. Besided the NIN sampling, there's a bunch of samples of dance music
>that I don't recognize (gladly).

I found my copy at a Student run record store at Purdue
University. U.S. release for $5.99

Jester
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:37:16 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: pigface memberes
 <93021.101223U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> <#6j3mhj@rpi.edu>
 <4fMOXGa00WBME2wsle@andrew.cmu.edu>

In article <4fMOXGa00WBME2wsle@andrew.cmu.edu>, Edward Pak
<ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>OGRE : SKINNY PUPPY
>EN ESCH : KMFDM
>MARY BYKER : GAYE BYKERS ON ACID
>CHRIS CONNELLY : FINI TRIBE, REVOLTING COCKS, MURDER INC, (MINISTRY)
>MATT SCHULTZ : LAB REPORT
>ANDREW WEISS : ROLLINS BAND
>WILLIAM TUCKER : My life with the THRILL KILL KULT

Also, Ogre is involved with the Final Cut with Chris Connely, and co-wrote
Ministry songs with Connely (like "Thieves" for example)

Bones
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: RMI CD Update
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:55:11 GMT

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>for delivery haveing paid up front. Perhaps these folks do this all the 
>time? 

I think we are one of their first few customers.

>Here's what I suggest - post phone number, fax number and address
>of the place so those of us who paid and are impatient can also 
>contact them to express our concern. We can send/fax a copy of 
>Ben's post with a letter of complaint to sink in that the net
>has a potential for this to get beyond just the 2 or 3 folks who
>put the cd project together. 

No; this has potential to develop into something really ugly if we
take that route.  I think it's best if I (and I alone) keep pestering
them on the phone so they know to hurry the fuck up, and we all remain
patient.

>Lodge a complaint and make inquiries with the local Better Business
>Bureau there - here it's all automated on a vmail syste so you can 
>enter a phone number to see if they have previous complaints. 
>Also a call to the RIAA or other audio/music industry folks to 
>ask about this place might stir up some stink for them. 

The RIAA I think is a terrific idea; one I hadn't thought of.  I hear
that the BBB has lost a lot of its bite recently; I had thought of
that but I dunno how much good it will do.

I'll look into the RIAA route.

Again, I think the best route is to continue to bug them (just me) on
the phone and be patient.  I will definitely send them a registered
letter expressing my concern, and Cc: the RIAA.

Not wanting to start a riot,

-- Ben
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