HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz)
Subject: Polskie nagrania za granica...
Originator: przemek@tokamak
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:37:08 GMT


Przy okazjk Swiat, chcialbym zwrocic sie to sieci, czy zastanawialiscie sie
kiedys nad ubostwem nagran polskiej muzyki na dyskach?  W Stanach, poprzez Nowy
Dziennik, znalazlem firme, gdzie kupilem pare dyskow z ariami ze Strasznego Dworu
i Halki plus pare dyskow z najwiekszymi przebojami lat 70-tych.

Zastanawia mnie, dlaczego wszystkie te nagrania pochodza z lat 60-tych!!!  Od
wielu lat szukam juz calego nagrania Strasznego Dworu i po prostu nie ma.  To co
kupilem niedawno bylo nagrane w 65, jeszcze z mlodym Ladyszem.  Przez ten caly
czas sprawa byla nadana w Polsce, ale rodzinie rowniez nie udalo sie nic znalezc.
Dwa lata temu sam tam pojechalem i poza starymi wydaniami dziel Chopina (na
plytach, nie dyskach) to nic ciekawego w sklepach muzycznych w W-wie nie moglem
znalesc.

Udalo mi sie w koncu dostac cala Halke (nagranie z 67 roku) w Tower Records w
Bostonie.  Dyski (dwa) byly wydane przez Niemiecka firme.

Czy rzeczywiscie nie ma na swiecie calego nagrania jednej z najbardziej
popularnych oper Polskich?  Czy w kraju nikt nie widzi w tym interesu?  Czy
Polskie Nagrania robia cos w tym kierunku?  Zwracam uwage, ze chodzi mi
wylacznie o dyski kompaktowe a nie LP's.

Przegladajac katalogi muzyczne czlowiek moze rzeczywiscie wyrobic sobie
przekonanie, ze po roku 1970, jezeli chodzi o muzyke klasyczna, nic w Polsce nie
nagrywano.





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email: przemek@viewlogic.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: minta@triton (Marek Minta)
Subject: Re: Warsaw Voice and Adam Mickiewicz
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, CIS-AA - Ann Arbor MI, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:43:42 GMT

>
>Further, here is the list of all operational internet nodes in Poznan
>in edu.pl domain. The names are so cryptic that I cannot recognize
>location. I suspect none of the nodes is on UAM. However, you have
>asked for 'anything', so here it goes:
>

Zgaduje, ze:
>
>oippuxv.poz.edu.pl		Osrodek Informatyki Polit Poz 
>
>ar-mail.pol.poz.edu.p 	Akademia Rolnicza...l
>
>ch.ae.poz.edu.pl Akademia Ekonomiczna...	
>
>perseus.tu.poz.edu.pl	Polibuda (Technical University ???) 
>
>cygnus.ieitpp.poz.edu.pl	Instytut E(lektrotechniki / lektroniki) ??? i
									 T(telekomunikacji / telemechnaniki
									 Polibudy ...
										

Marek Minta


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: kronberg@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Help in translation, please
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:04:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Please help:

	Polish name for town 38 miles from Wroclaw:

		German:  "Salzbrunn"


any information or description would be helpful as well


Thanks

Frank Kronberg

~c kronberg

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: bogdan@erix.ericsson.se (Bogumil Hausman)
Subject: Swieta
Nntp-Posting-User: bogdan
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:33:18 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: azaleski@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrzej Zaleski)
Subject: Re: Ludziska posmiejta sie troche, czyli przyszla baba...
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:31:16 GMT

Marian Zalucki

SZUKAM WSPOLNIKA

Postanowilem dac anons taki do dziennika -
odpowiednio duzy,
by uwage skupial:

CHCE ZOSTAC PORZADNYM CZLOWIEKIEM -
POSZUKUJE WSPOLNIKA.

SAM sie nie bede wyglupial !

:-)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:4015 soc.culture.romanian:1416
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.romanian
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:31:53 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:4002 soc.culture.portuguese:2544 soc.culture.romanian:1410
From: mitrache@gringo.usc.edu (Traian Mitrache)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.portuguese,soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: wedding customs?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:20:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gringo.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.162608.3070@peanut> willemsdawnm@bvc.edu writes:
>
>I am currently doing a paper on wedding customs of different societies.  I
>would appreciate any information anyone can provide for me. 
>Please send info to willemsdawnm.bvc.edu
>
>thanks
>dawn


	One custom I enjoyed a lot when I was home, was to steal the bride!:-)
This goes like this:in order to test how much the groom cares about his future
wife,some friends of him steal the bride and ask for a reward.If the groom 
really cares about her ,he will give a big reward,otherwise...he will have 
to "talk" with his mother in law:-)

-- 


mitrache@gringo.usc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: michals@na47sun05.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Swieta
Summary: Wesolych Swiat!
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:03:26 GMT


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.polish:4010 soc.culture.portuguese:2552 soc.culture.romanian:1414
From: willemsdawnm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.portuguese,soc.culture.romanian
Subject: wedding customs?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:26:07 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


I am currently doing a paper on wedding customs of different societies.  I
would appreciate any information anyone can provide for me. 
Please send info to willemsdawnm.bvc.edu

thanks
dawn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: tretelew@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (Tomasz Retelewski)
Subject: Re: Polish fonts for Mac -> for IBM?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:56:49 GMT


In article <14DEC199211144412@jane.uh.edu> mece2b0@jane.uh.edu (Laskowski, Grezegorz) writes:
>Czesc. Czy ktos przypadkiem wie gdzie mozna zdobyc
>polskie trzcionki do Windows (true type lub ATM format)?
Nie mam pojecia, ale via ATM powinno sie jakos dac. Sprobuj poszukac 
na ftp.cica.indiana.edu. 

Natomiast w Polsce jest do kupienia program (PolWin), ktory ma polskie
fonty (na ekran i drukarki) oraz specjalne sterowniki klawiatury,
ktore umozliwiaja wstukanie a, przez np ALT-a. 

Oprocz tego jest jeszcze polskie AMI-PRO (Lotusa), ktore przychodzi z
ATM i chyba polskimi fontami w tym formacie.

>Czy jest jakis sposob na przetworzenie fontow
>dla Mac'a znajdujacych sie na lynx.ps.uci.edu
>(anonymous FTP) na format true type lub ATM?
Dobra (a moze zla?) rada: trzymaj sie z daleka od MAC'ow!
(Prawdziwy przyjaciel nie pozwala swojemu przyjacielowi pracowac na MAC'ach!)

>Mam takie samo pytanie odnosnie zbiorow dzwiekowych
>dla Mac'a w formacie HQX. Czy da sie je przetworzyc
>na Windows VOX format?
Z tego co sie orientuje to format plikow "dzwiekowych" MICROSOFT
ma nazwe VOC (a moze sie myle? Ale chyba nie...). Na pewno mozna
to zrobic. Sprawdz ....ibm.pc.soundcards (dokladnej nazwy nie pamietam)

Jade teraz do Polski, wiec jesli chcesz szczegoly to prosze o e-mail.

>=================================================================
>|	Greg Laskowski						|
>|	University of Houston					|
>|				     Don't drink and derive!	|
>|	mece2b0@jetson.uh.edu					|
>=================================================================

-Tomek.

PS:
I z daleka od MAC'ow (mozna zostac narkomanem! :-)
_________________________________________________________________________
tretelew@ic.sunysb.edu
From: jsw@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jacek Walicki)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:04:42 GMT
Subject: Poland -- No place to be a woman
Organization: 40N31m31s_105W0m43s
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish


Dedykuje Matyldzie S. i Lechowi B. (z zupelnie roznych powodow 8-).
Aby nie naruszac 'fair use clause' wycialem kilka paragrafow (choc 
calosc ciekawa). Przyjemnego czytania. J.

	-----------------
[The Economist, 12 Dec 92]

Poland -- No place to be a woman

[...]
	Women have been among the biggest losers since communism's
fall. State-financed child care has been virtually ended; the health
service, which never served women well at the best of times, is
obsolete. Although thev make up less than half the workforce, almost
60% of Poland's 2.5 unemployed are women. Employers often advertise
"male" and "female" positions, and of these only one of every 120 jobs
is now offered to women.
	Polish women share these problems with other East European
women, but they also have to contend with a threat to their right to
abortion, the country's main form of birth control. Under pressure
from the Catholic church, Poland's parliament is considering
legislation that would ban abortions and impose two-year prison terms
on doctors who carry them out; it would also forbid prenatal testing
for fetal abnormalities. A parliamentary vote is due on December 17th.
[...]
	The large cities have some feminist groups, but, according to
a recent survey, 75% of Polish men and 60% of women believe the ideal
family situation is to have the woman at home cooking, cleaning and
bringing up children. Feminists only shrug, and point to the dreary
factory and shop jobs held by most women. Barbara Labuda, a deputy who
champions women's rights, says it will be some time before her
colleagues realise the power of women, who make up 53% of the
electorate.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: wisznie@ecf.toronto.edu (WISZNIEWSKI SEBASTIAN)
Subject: Internet w Polsce
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:02:05 GMT

Dziekuje bardzo wszystkim, ktorzy podali mi informacje na temat Internet 
w Polsce. Dostalem wiecej niz mi potrzeba.

Dzieki!

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From: wbiedrzy@feds6.prime.com (Witold Biedrzycki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: L-I-B
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:58:48 GMT
Organization: Computervision


Dlaczego przy mownicy Brezniewa sa dwa mikrofony ?

Jeden jest autentycznym mikrofonem, drugi podaje tlen


Tak przy okazji artykulu M Babilasa, 'laughingstock' 
tlumaczylbym jako posmiewisko.


Witold Biedrzycki
From: csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Polish last name-what do parts mean?
Date: 10 Dec 92 18:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <1992Dec8.204732.14214@linus.mitre.org>  writes:
>Hi-
>    Does anyone know what the different parts of a Polish last mean?  My
>last name is Dzierzanowski, but I don't know if it means or says anything.
>


I was told by someone in the US
that if your name ended in ski
it meant that your family owned 
land in Poland. 
Also that ska is the feminine ending
equivalent of ski.

any truth in this?
From: 4grodner_t@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Role Playing Games....you mean MUD? =)
Date: 9 Dec 92 03:09:51 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <92341.014228MSJURGIE@MTUS5.BITNET>, MSJURGIE@MTUS5.BITNET (MARIUSZ S JURGIELEWICZ) writes:
> Czesc wszystkim,
>  Widzialem gdzies w jakims czsopismie raklame gier rozgrywanych w sieci kompute
> rowej. Czy ktos ma jakies doswiadczenia z tego typu grami. Dla mnie jest to nie
> spodzianka. Co jest wymagane by zaczac?
> 
yeah...tzw. MUDs.... polecam! wymagania: telnet access + LOTS of free time!
check out: rec.games.mud.* albo przeslij mi email z konkretnymi pytaniami...
dawno nie gralem ale troche jeszcze pamietam...
do niektorych 'sites' lepiej miec client (a nie tylko telnet), zalezy co
cie interesuje czy swego rodzaju 'party-line' (podobne do IRC ale z dodaniem
srodowiska i objektow) czy full role-playing z uzyciem zmodifikowanego
systemu D&D?
-do uslug

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: rgc@cubitos.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Secretaria do IST
Organization: INESC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:37:03 GMT

Esta mensagem e' so' para os (ex-)alunos do Tecnico.

O Joao Costeira (joao+@cs.cmu.edu) escreve...

>Vivo' Tecnico! Vivo' CIIST, Viva a secretaria, Viva a Velha da Secretaria,

A dita senhora ja' se reformou ha' muito tempo, mas as historias sobre as
(des)venturas da Velha da Secretaria continuam a ser contadas com um misto de
gozo e saudade (dos tempos de juventude).

Um dia fiz um pedido na secretaria e tinha um prazo para obter a resposta. Na
data combinada dirigi-me `a Secretaria do IST e tenho pela frente a nossa
conhecida Velha da Secretaria.

"O que quer?", pergunta-me ela naquele tom <"simpatico"> habitual.
"Venho levantar o meu pedido de listagem das notas".
"Esses pedidos ainda nao estao prontos, volte mais tarde!", respondeu-me sem
  ver que, atras dela, um outro funcionario ja' me trazia a listagem pretendida.

O pessoal da bicha riu-se, e ela limitou-se a encolher os ombros e passar `a
rabujisse seguinte...

All the best...

---Crespo
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Re: $$$ da CEE 
Organization: INESC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.091628.16136@inesc.pt>, xarax@eniac.inesc.pt (Luis Antunes) writes:
|> >
|> >Por ca' a grande novidade sao os 1000 contos por minuto que a CE vai en-
|> >terrar ca' durante os proximos 7 anos. O Crespo ainda nao deu a noticia ?
|> >

Talvez nao saibas, mas tenho mais coisas para fazer (avaliacoes, tese,
participacao em confs,...).

|> 
|> Parece-me que e' __POR SEGUNDO__, segundo ouvi na RTP.
|> De qualquer forma, gostava de ouvir opinioes sobre essa massa toda que
|> vem ca' para o burgo (ou para os burgueses?)
|> 
|> 1. Acham que finalmente vai comecar a ser bem utilizada?

Mais um que acredita que vive no paraiso...

|> 2. Acham que isto nao vai ser apenas continuar a dar peixe aos pobres?

E bfsv's (colocar a marca de veiculos de luxo preferida) aos ricos...

|> 3. Nao acham que ja' era altura de acordar e ver o que realmente vale
|> este pais sem os dinheiros (esmolas?) da CEE?

Ja' sabemos o que vale. Basta lembrar os anos pre'-adesao `a CEE...

|> 4. Porque e' que eu sinto que tanto faz vir o cacau como nao, que nao e'
|> ainda desta vez que esta merda de pais vai para a frente?

Para a frente temos :-
  * estradas (que se enchem rapidamente de veiculos).
  * automoveis: nem toda a gente os tem, mas ja' estamos menos longe da CEE do
    que ha' uma dezena de anos.
  * empresas de servicos, que surgem e desaparecem em menos de um fosforo.

Para tras temos :-
  * O sector que gera riqueza (industria,...) continua a ir por agua abaixo, mas
    a causa e' mais resultado da adopcao da politica tatcheriana/"reagonomics"
    que os fundos da CEE.
  * Educacao/cultura. Aqui nao basta dinheiro, e' necessario vontade e politica a
    longo prazo. As "massas" criam uma ilusao temporaria de riqueza e impede os
    dirigentes de pensar a longo prazo...

|> 5. Nao acham que um belga ou um alemao deve pensar nos portugueses como
|> aqueles coitadinhos que vivem dos nossos impostos?

E os franceses, e os ingleses e os dinamarqueses e ...

|> 
|> Posso estar a exagerar (hoje nao estou la' muito bem disposto) mas de
|> qualquer forma, so' fiz perguntas... :-? (sorriso inocente...)
|> 

E eu mandei algumas "bocas" porque, devido aos cortes orcamentais do ensino
superior, tenho de dar n aulas dificultando a conclusao da tese...

All the best...

---Crespo
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: ze@carson.u.washington.edu (Jose Magalhaes)
Subject: Re: Racismo nunca mais
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:35:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.083011.22671@inesc.pt> fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos) writes:
>
>Quero uma sociedade aberta em todos possam participar independentemente
>do seu credo, co^r ou quaisquer outras caracteristicas distintivas. Quero uma
>sociedade solidaria, em que se ajude o pro'ximo. Quero uma verdadeira
>democracia ( sabem o que isto quer dizer nao sabem ? ). Quero algo diferente da
>Europa Ocidental ou dos Estados Unidos e claro da ex-URSS. Quero algo que ainda
>nao existe e que provavelmente nunca verei. Este e' o meu Santo Graal, e
>desculpem a ingenuidade. Eu nao tenho vergonha dela. 
>
	So' uma sugestao: ja' alguma vez leste alguma coisa sobre o pensamento
politico do Vaclav Havel? Se nao, talvez encontres ai o que procuras...
	Abrac,os,
-Ze' Magalhaes
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins)
Subject: Where in the world is the Island of Madeira ?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:17:10 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA


  In "San Jose Mercury News",
      Thursday, December 17, 1992
      San Jose, California, USA
  Transcribed without permission


  Island's rulers shift in a slip of the map

  BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - European Community map makers, struggling to
chart the region's rapidly changing borders, apparently lost track of a
tiny Atlantic island in their own back yard.

  The island of Madeira, one of the EC's westernmost territories, has been
ruled by Portugal since it was claimed by Portuguese navigators in the 15th
century.

  But the EC's new European map, distributed Tuesday, shows Madeira
belonging to Spain.

  "Its a lamentable mistake," bemoaned one Portuguese diplomat.

  The map did get the new borders of former Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and
the Soviet Union right.

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  -- Henrique (martins@hpl.hp.com)

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