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From: bongalon@TD2CAD.INTEL.COM (Ben Bongalon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Tikbalang Picture
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:00:28 GMT


zax@kenpo.Corp.Sun.COM (Sonny Dionida) writes:

>I've been searching for a magazine or book that has a picture
>of "tikbalang" (to draw).

too bad Eric Gutierrez isn't online anymore-- i'm sure he could have
easily transformed one of his icons into a "tikbalang" for you.   =8^)


            >>--(*)--<<
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            _(*******)_
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           ** ******* **
           ** """ """ **
            * (o) (o) *
           (_\  | |  /_)
            || (___) ||    - mukha bah akhong tikbhalang, Sonny?
            ~_\  o  /_~
            /  \___/  \
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			   (plagiarized from E.Gutierrez)

cheers

Ben Bongalon
Intel Corporation
Santa Clara, CA
From: glabanda@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Joje Gregorio Labanda)
Subject: filipino immigrants and patriotism
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:18:25 GMT


i don't see how one can be patriotic if one decides to immigrate.
the conscious decision to immigrate simply does not jive with all other  
actions/thought that might be synonymous to patriotism. such would now  
fall more aptly to the category of a personal concern for the plight of  
one's former country. patriotism is patriotism.  we cannot dilute its  
meaning. true patriots don't throw moral support from the sidelines when  
they are just as capable of being active players. patriots make things  
happen or at least try to.

brain drain as being partly responsible for underdevelopment i think is a  
valid claim. individuals, however, who exercise their right to immigrate  
cannot be blamed for underdevelopment. a decision to immigrate is  
something that should not be taken against any individual. brain drain  
however cannot be used as an excuse by the government. it is foolish to  
formulate a developmental program that relies on people being patriotic  
enough just as a businessman would be foolish to set targets solely on the  
assumption that his employees would get themselves motivated enough. the  
employees have to first like their job and be at the minimum, justly  
rewarded.

patriotism and loyalty is something that have to be earned. for those of  
us who have grown up in the Philippines, much of the seedwork have already  
been done by our social institutions. as we grow older, i think the  
government takes a more active role in this process. colonial mentality?  
it will continue to plague us but only  so long as we can see no future  
for our country, only so long as we cannot raise our self esteem and  
believe in ourselves! unfortunately, this is where the government has  
mostly failed to even help us. corruption and lack of discipline and  
political will have caused us much harm!  how can we expect people to  
continue serving their country well if they are not justly rewarded for  
all their efforts.

incidentally,  i don't think all those overseas workers sending those  
remittances are doing so because of patriotism. the reason is more obvious  
than that. many of our countrymen just couldn't find jobs at home that  
would pay enough to support themselves and their families. 

patriotism is more of an issue for those whose options have not been  
limited by factors beyond survival or beyond their control. we all yearn  
for a BETTER way of life and this is always relative to our current state.  
most filipino graduate students probably fall in this category. from those  
i've met, many have signified a desire to come back. i don't think  
filipinos lack the desire to help their country. the government has just  
not been able to translate this and make it work for the country.

greg labanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: glabanda@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Joje Gregorio Labanda)
Subject: Re: ASIAN VOICE To Endorse Miriam's Candidacy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:57:56 GMT

In article <s8cbmINNo14@agate.berkeley.edu> tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito  
Domine) writes:
> ASIAN VOICE To Endorse Miriam Defensor Santiago
> As President of The Philippines
> > 
> Mga kasama,
> 
> 	After a long and tortuous discussion, the Editorial Staff 
> of the ASIAN VOICE (your friendly neighborhood Pinoy newspaper in 
> the Bay Area) has decided to endorse the candidacy of Miriam 
> Defensor Santiago as President of the Philippines.
> 
> 	Miss Santiago represents a moral and true alternative, a 
> direct antithesis to both the traditional system of politics on 
> one hand and the marginally competent current administration, on 
> the other.

> 	Miriam has no money, no political machine, no business inte-
> rests to protect, not backed by the all powerful Catholic Church 
> and no strong ties with the United States.
> 
> 	But she has one thing - a higher moral ground, a conviction
> and a tenure of service to the people (though short) that is among
> the finest in Philippine history.
> 
> 	The ASIAN VOICE thinks the Philippines will do very well
> with Miriam at the helm.
> 
> 	The ASIAN VOICE thinks that it is time to let people who
> are tried and true have the chance. It is time to abandon whatever
> vestiges there are of traditional politics, dictatorship and 
> "family-cracy" that still exist in the Philippines.
> 
> 
> Ka Tito 
> ASIAN VOICE  

I agree with the position taken by Asian Voice.  MDS has the best record  
among the candidates in my opinion as far as strength of character and  
dynamism is concerned. We need a president who can muster enough political  
will to implement development programs. Even if she doesn't win, a strong  
showing on her part in the polls can send the right message to all the  
traditional politicians and the dubious presidential wanna be's.

Funny how people like her are attacked nowadays. Her opponents are now  
claiming that she might be insane! Despite all their resources, some of  
her opponents still bend real low just to derail her candidacy. 

greg labanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 04:42:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr8.143852@is.morgan.com> alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu) writes:

>i attended columbia college in nyc, and i met several kkk types. 
>typically, these people were xenophobes who have (conveniently) forgotten
>the fact that their grandparents were also foreigners.  this is an 
>ivy-league school in the most progressively liberal city in the u.s., and
>yet it harbors racists.  


I agree with the rest of your posting, but NYC?  The most progressively
liberal city in the U.S.?  HAHAHAHAHAHA!  NYC is one of the most backward,
racist, evil places on earth!  Yes, I have lived there.  For definition
of progressive American cities, see S.F., Berkeley, et al.



			Jon Rhein
			from a friend's account


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu)
Subject: Re: Oil Find in Mindanao
Organization: Morgan Stanley Equities Analytical Research
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:42:07 GMT

In article <4cfe02vs10N101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, eus10@harimanok.ccc.amdahl.com (Jun Soriano) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.193246.14897@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio ) writes:
|> >Oh, sigue na, mga expatriates Filipinos ... bili na ng share
|> >sa PNOC.  :-)  Sabi nga ng komisyoner galing Pilipinas na
|> >nagsalita sa NY kamakailan lamang --- 'yung mga na 'brain drain'
|> >na mga Pilipino ay maaaring tumulong in the form of investments 
|> >daw.  At sino ang may sabing brain drain contributes to 
|> >underdevelopment, aber?
|> >
|> paano bumili ng stocks sa Pilipinas? ..any stock brokers around here?
|> or must be there to find (buy) some?.. if so how am i get updated here?
|> 
|> Any comments will be eternally appreciated.
|> 
|> Jun Soriano

i'm not a broker, but i can't find any  ADR's (american depository receipts)
for PNOC.  the only filipino company that i know of is the 
philippines long distance company, trading on the amex under the 
symbol PHI.   


/al



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:47:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.184042.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:

|> What does STAC stand for anyway?

Science and Technology Advisory Council...

-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 13:07:24 CDT
From: <U25720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject:    May nang-gugulo sa SCF (hindi pinoy!!)

Meron yatang mga ulol na galing sa UIC (e.g. U51115@UICVM.BITNET) na hindi maru
nong gumamit ng tamang salita, lalo na laban sa mga pinay dito. (Isang basa lan
g sa mga sinusulat nito ay ebidensiya na ng kawalanghiyaan). Madaling magbitiw
ng salita, pero duwag naman at ayaw ibigay ang tunay na pangalan. Medyo naghalu
ngkat ako kung sino si U51115@UICVM at ang pangalan niya ay Nhim Danh -- sa pal
agay ko, walang pinoy na may ganitong pangalan. Ipagpaumanhin na po ang mga tag
a UIC, dahil kahit na dito ay maraming KSP -- Kulang Sa Pansin. Kung mangbabast
os pa ulit si Nhim Danh, maraming pinoy ditong pupuwedeng  batukan siya!
Caloy Arcilla
Dept of. Geological Sciences
UIC
From: alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: Morgan Stanley Equities Analytical Research
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:38:52 GMT

In article <dn3tq!_@rpi.edu>, teej@aix.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) writes:
|> 
|> I am not surprised.  Over here in Troy, New York, one would expect that 
|> people are open-minded.  In Rensselaer Polytechnic INstitute, a school that 
|> is often compared with MIT, Caltech, etc..,  
|>             ...
|> Personally, I have met Americans who told me bluntly that the reason the 
|> Philippines is in the situation of underdevelopment is that Filipinos keep
|> immigrating to the US.  They have no love, no patriotism, and no value of
|> sacrifice to make the PHilippines a better country.   
|>             ...
|> Such comments are beginning to be very tiresome and very annoying.  Was not
|> American built up by immigrants from all over the world?   How easily,
|> these white americans forget this!  (BTW, the americans who made these 
|> comments were all white.)
|>              ...
|> I do not know if one would classify this a subtle racism.  Some of my 
|> friends say that it is not racism but "race critique".  

the statistical distribution of bigots, racists, skinheads, supremacists,
neo-nazis, ignorants, etc, cuts across all social boundaries.  that is,
you can find pinhead racists wherever you turn.  the fact that students
attending schools like MIT, Caltech, and RPI, etc are more intelligent 
than the average person does not imply that none of them are racists.

i attended columbia college in nyc, and i met several kkk types. 
typically, these people were xenophobes who have (conveniently) forgotten
the fact that their grandparents were also foreigners.  this is an 
ivy-league school in the most progressively liberal city in the u.s., and
yet it harbors racists.  

also, readers should note that racism *does* cross race boundaries:
i regularly commute between nyc and nj, which means that i travel 
through the port atrocity (sp).  one day, i was approached by a 
man in his mid-20's telling me in no kind words that:  1. i should 
go back to china,  and 2. he should have my job because his people was
here first.  i lost my composure and proceeded to verbally cut him 
down (the poor sap).   

in any case, my point is: racism comes in all forms, from any social
group.  

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message are my own and are NOT necessarily  |       Senior Associate
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: perezc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:36:51 GMT

In article <1177@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM>, dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:
> 
> I, too, am getting sick and tired of such comments, JJ. Isn't
> it human nature to look for a better life? Most Americans that
> comment like this have little or no concept of hardship and
> poverty.  
> 
> Last night I watched Boyz N the Hood, they depict poverty and 
> the life of the unfortunate, mostly blacks. I look at them and
> see them complain of being poor and yet they can afford cars,
> guns, live in modest homes, etc... I look back at OUR POOR in
> the Philippines, they live in shacks near garbage dumps, they
> wear rags, etc.. they scavenge for food, etc.. totally different
> from the life in South Central Los Angeles. 
> 
> To some extent however, the comments sting because there is some
> truth to them. OUR government has not been for the people since
> the Marcos era.

How am I to interpret the last sentence?  That the present government
has not been for the people?  Well, if that is what you mean to say
then I agree with you too!  The government has been influenced by too
many special interests groups...'nationalists', big businesses, 
government workers etc.  I think what we need is some body who has the
guts to tear down institutions that hinder progress.

	What really pisses me off, (I might be flamed for this) is the
fact that those 'nationalist' in the senate, not ratifying the bases
agreement.  For all intents and purposes threw thousands of lives into
uncertainty.  Are they going to make up for the loss of these people?
Heck no, they're just going to recommend that everyone go find a job,
say in the Middle East, and take whatever abuse and humiliation that
comes with it.  And is our government protecting those people out there?
Is this a choice of two evils?

> Many leave the Philippines in pursuit of greener 
> and better pastures, to improve their and their families lives.
> If given a choice and if the country could provide even half of
> the opportunities here, I believe lots of Filipinos would be back
> home.
> 
If it's okay for us to send our people out of the country to work
for foreign employers.  What difference does it make if we had the
foreign employer set up shop in our own backyard?  

> Once again, hate crime and racism is on the rise. Even here in
> "open minded, and laid back" California. This seems to be a trend
> and we need to be aware and wary. This is brought about by the 
> economy and people's frustration with making ends meet and realizing
> their dreams. 
> 
> /Danny

So the bottom line is how can our government improve the lives of the
people who pay their taxes?  The way I look at it, government is just
like any other service company, if they aren't providing the services
comensurate to what you pay them, then look for a better one!

Carlos  

PS  It seems so scary to post opinions, you just might be eating your words
later on.

P^2.S. Anyway I have alot of gripes lately.
From: legaspba@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin C. Legaspi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: 2nd Midwest Gathering
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:04:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

***********************  2ND MIDWEST SCF GATHERING  ****************************

This is the first announcement for the 2nd SCF Midwest Gathering to be held
at Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN, probably in May 1992. The initial
enquiries have already been sent to those who attended the 1st Midwest
Gathering and we are in the process of compiling the replies. We now extend
the same invitation to everyone else. Please reply to the following questions 
if you are interested in attending the informal gathering and remember that
net-access is not a requirement, it is open to all Filipinos and friends:

   1. When would be a good time for you? The initial replies indicate that
no two Universities follow identical time tables for the final exams, so
please give *dates.*

   3. If you plan to attend, will you need accomodations and for how
many people?

You may be surprised at how much you have in common with other SCF people.
Quite a few are either from UP (Diliman or LB) or Philippine Science High.

Benjie Legaspi

PS Email to the following bounced:

  Pyke Gervasio		UIUC	gervasio@cs.uiuc.edu
  Mia Mae L. Rosario	UIUC	mlrg1364@ordal.med.uiuc.edu
Eric and Fides Cutiongco NWU	ERIC_C@nwu.edu		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: tanchoco@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe Tanchoco)
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:04:27 GMT

> David.Choweller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Choweller) writes:
>
>In an book review dating from the 60's Gore Vidal claims that
>American troops participated in the genocide of 3 million Filipinos
>at the "turn of the century."I've never heard of this before.  Did this
>happen, and how widely accepted is this alleged fact?  I don't have the exact
   I do not have a personal verification of this but a colleague
   mentioned to me that in a recently discovered book Mark Twain
   wrote about the killing of a large no. of Filipinos in
   the hands of the American troops during the early 1900s.
From: ador@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Amador Argete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Did the Americans Kill Three Million Filipinos
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:20:59 GMT
Organization: Meteorology, University of Melbourne

Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?

>> David.Choweller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Choweller) writes:
>>In an book review dating from the 60's Gore Vidal claims that
>>American troops participated in the genocide of 3 million Filipinos
>>at the "turn of the century."I've never heard of this before.  Did this
>>happen, and how widely accepted is this alleged fact?
> tanchoco@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe Tanchoco) writes:
> I do not have a personal verification of this but a colleague
> mentioned to me that in a recently discovered book Mark Twain
> wrote about the killing of a large no. of Filipinos in
> the hands of the American troops during the early 1900s.
Massacres did happen during the Filipino-American War (1898-1904). The
American troops sent to the Philippines were the ones who did the early
pacification of the American Indians in the US Midwest and their
catchcry was 'Kill Everyone Over Ten". There were pictures of Filipino
children being shot by firing squad, mass burials of dead Filipinos,
etc. The worst hit areas were the provinces of Batangas and Samar where
the Americans killed everything in their paths. Samar was a howling
wilderness when the war ended. This was the theme of a Filipino movie
done about ten years ago entitled 'Sunugin ang Samar' (Burn Samar). The
estimates of Filipino casualties vary but cluster about 15% of the
population. The Philippine population then was about 7 million so the
dead numbered about a million. The proportion of dead to injured was
very high (meaning people are either dead or not injured at all). The
war was a result of the American policy of Manifest Destiny, whatever
that means. It was basically a secret war and the outside world never
had a clue. Not that they would care. It was a period of resurgent
colonization, similar things were happening in Cuba, China, Afghanistan,
all of Africa, Indonesia, India, etc. Military powers were fighting for
turf, rivalry that came to a head in World War I.
My late grandfather's oldest brother took part in the fighting, first
against the Spaniards and then the Americans. At the end of the war, he
did not surrender and was subsequently sentenced to death (in absentia)
for banditry. He evaded capture by moving around as far as Iloilo and
died of old age in 1954.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: perezc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:40:42 GMT

In article <jbej8gk@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.135658.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> |> In article <_s4tgkr@rpi.edu>, teej@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) writes:
> |> > 
> |> > I think that Filipinos here do care about their country and their culture.  It`s a question
> |> > of how far is one willing to go for the benefit of the country.  That can only be answered
> |> > by the person himself/herself.  I  think Filipinos here in the US can be useful in  helping
> |> > our country.  It just needs some coordination and cooperation.
> |> > 
> |> Yes, we graduate students need some coordination and cooperation.  I think
> |> we can actually start something constructive.  I hope there are more 
> |> regular readers out there who would be interested in further exploring
> |> this aspect.  The lines are open...
> 
> And you can start/help the Philippines, even if you're here.  Check out
> your closest consulate for a list of NGOs that are working on helping the
> Philippines.
> 
> STAC is one of them.  And there are several readers in SCF that are members
> of the Bay Area STAC group.  They not only have interest in the computer
> field, but they also have Doctors, Bio-chemists, Environmentalists,...
> 
> There are several STAC chapters through-out the US...Chicago, Washington,
> LA, New York, SF.
> 
> And best of all, you don't have to be a graduate student to help. :-)
> You can be anyone you want to be as long as you're willing to volunteer
> some of your time to a cause!
> 
> -- 
> Opinions are mine...not SGI's
>         ~
> Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com

What does STAC stand for anyway?

Carlos
From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:31:37 GMT
Organization: 3Com Corporation


I, too, am getting sick and tired of such comments, JJ. Isn't
it human nature to look for a better life? Most Americans that
comment like this have little or no concept of hardship and
poverty.  

Last night I watched Boyz N the Hood, they depict poverty and 
the life of the unfortunate, mostly blacks. I look at them and
see them complain of being poor and yet they can afford cars,
guns, live in modest homes, etc... I look back at OUR POOR in
the Philippines, they live in shacks near garbage dumps, they
wear rags, etc.. they scavenge for food, etc.. totally different
from the life in South Central Los Angeles. 

To some extent however, the comments sting because there is some
truth to them. OUR government has not been for the people since
the Marcos era. Many leave the Philippines in pursuit of greener 
and better pastures, to improve their and their families lives.
If given a choice and if the country could provide even half of
the opportunities here, I believe lots of Filipinos would be back
home.

Once again, hate crime and racism is on the rise. Even here in
"open minded, and laid back" California. This seems to be a trend
and we need to be aware and wary. This is brought about by the 
economy and people's frustration with making ends meet and realizing
their dreams. 

/Danny