HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tysoj@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Tyson J R)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Marriage
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:50:57 GMT
Reply-To: tysoj@essex.ac.uk (Tyson J R)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

I am being exiled to Belgium tomorrow, so I don't have time
to find the reference for this query.  I hope someone
out there knows what I am talking about and can enlighten me
and any other interested people.

I remember reading a passage in _The Guide for the Perplexed_
where Maimonides discusses the treatment of women "taken in
war".  As I recall such women cannot be forcibly converted
and are to be allowed to practice the mourning rituals of
their religion even if these are repellant to Jews, they
may retain their religious beliefs.  I think that it is implied
that they should be treated as a wife (I am sure they cannot be simply
"put away" for example).

What would be the status of the relationship between a Jewish
man and a non-Jewish woman taken in war?  What would the status
of any children born to the couple be?

Is this a sanctioned inter-marriage?


Jim Tyson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Equality (again)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:37:08 GMT

In article <10128@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:
>MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>
>>                                  I claim that there  is inequality in
>>Halakha and give an  example.  
>
>Sorry, this is where you go wrong. You can't claim there is inequality in
>Halacha if you come from a halachik stand point unless you define
>equality and inequality from the *halachik* stand point. 

    In practice, this isn't so clear cut. Poskim often work very
    hard to show that Halacha, in fact, sanctions some process which
    the poskim (and the entire community) consider desirable. What
    people have written here before, usually in connection with science,
    is that when science and torah seem contradictory our understanding
    of one or the other is incomplete. One can say the same thing in
    the realm of ethics, which is the present issue.

    The point, though, is that the poskim do have a sense of what's
    right and wrong independent of Halacha---they will work very
    hard indeed to show that Halacha is in accord with this sense.
    Were it otherwise, poskim would content themselves with the
    straightforward meaning and discard their internal ethics as
    incorrect. Instead, they keep re-examining the Halacha to
    discover why the desired ethic is actually allowed. They do,
    in fact, trust their own ethical sense as being essentially
    correct.

    An example is all the work done on agunot. The straightforward
    Halacha is that women are agunot, and that's the way it is.
    Much effort has and is being expended to show that the Halacha
    is not in fact that way, because the result doesn't sit well
    with the poskim's internal sense of what's just.
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cat Food Again: Urgent
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

In <1992Apr9.202315.25389@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:

>I have a couple of questions.  Are grains allowed to be stored and fed
>to animals during Pesah?  And is corn and rice included in this?  I have
>a corn/rice based catfood, and don't want to change my cats diet during
>Pesach.  Might there be any allowance for this?

One may not own grain or derive benifit from it (e.g. feed it to an
animal).  Corn and rice are not grain, but kitniot, and one may both
own it and derive benifit from it, even if one's custom is not to eat
it.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          The entire kitchen is		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/        still full of strange hamantaschen
 |warren@         And the custodian
/ nysernet.org    is starting to get worried.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lando@brachot.jct.ac.il (Zvi Lando)
Subject: The War on Weeds
Reply-To: <lando@brachot.jct.ac.il (Zvi Lando)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:04:32 GMT

Shalom;

I guess some people didn't understand what I was aiming at. The war on weeds
was an allegory on the war on international terrorism, something "Great Britain"
got another taste of this morning. And. so, Warren, the "Garden" is our world
which whether too big or too small, there is not much we can do about.
I understood what you were driving at, and I feel that what you said was an echo 
of Baker's ludicrous statement about "Greater Israel". I wrote to Baker and
told him that our "Greater Israel" is about the size of his "Greater New 
Jersey" and that he must have been among the overwhelming percentage of 
American graduates that could not even find Washington D.C. on the map.
How 'bout you, Warren?

BTW, thanks for your compliment about Tekoa's gardens. There is still 
large room for improvements.

Zvi from Tekoa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jfinger@adobe.com (Jeff Finger)
Subject: Re: Samuel Reshevsky 1911-1992
Organization: Adobe Systems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:34:49 GMT

There was a very interesting, detailed, and sympathetic obituary about
Samuel (Shmulke) Reshevsky in yesterday's New York Times right next
to that of Molly Picon (1898-1992).

-- Jeff Finger --

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher Rebbe's 90th birthday
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.051031.19993@cs.uoregon.edu> pdm@idiotix.cs.uoregon.edu (peter d. mark) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.040307.29065@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>}
>}
>}Today, 11 Nissan, marks the 90th birthday of the Lubavitcher Rebbe,
>}Shlita. In honor of his innumerable contributions to Jewish education,
>}welfare and Ahavas Yisroel in over 40 years of leadership, may all
>}Jews share in the zchus of wishing him a refuah shlamah. Through our
>}individual furtherance of learning Torah and observance of mitzvot,
>}may we all also merit to participate, in this season of the first
>}redemption, in the final redemption, with the coming of Moshiach
>}Tzidkenu, when ALL Jews, everywhere, will return to Israel and
>}Jerusalem and there will be true peace among all mankind.
>}David Kaufmann
>}INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
>
>
>
>did anyone catch the NPR story (monday 4/13) that described how many 
>followers of rabbi scheerson were convinced not only that he IS the
>messiah but that he would ANNOUNCE that he was, in fact, the messiah
>on his birthday?  it mentioned, among other factors, that 90 held 
>special numerological significance.  the story described how many 
>children were utterly convinced that their leader was/is the messiah, 
>and raised the question of how these children might become disillusioned 
>when they discovered how they had been deceived. 
>
>comments, anyone?
>
>peter
>pdm@cs.uoregon.edu

I heard the piece on Christian Science Monitor Radio, on the way
to Daf Yomi.  ACtually, I thought the report was fair, and not
designed to make  anyone look silly.  It ended (if I recall)
with a plea for every Jew to perform one  more mitzvah; not a
bad idea, regardless of one's opinion of the Rebbe-Moshiach
connection.



-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Subject: Re: Spain Rescinds Expulsion of Jews After 500 Years.
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.003942.11577@uceng.UC.EDU> mgoller@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Goller) writes:
>I had heard that it was suspended in the mid 1800's (or was that the inquisition?)  Any comments?
>Mgoller
Are you thinking about the Inquisition being declared illegal around 1810
in Mexico? I believe that this was the last remnent...
In Spain, under Franco, I believe the expulsion was recinded but it was not
deemed "real" because the monarchy had no input.

Hap
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Help !!! Passover (Pesach) pic. or image file needed
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:45:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T Migration Systems

In article <1992Apr9.091410.517@engage.pko.dec.com> dkeller@ndlvax.enet.dec.com (Dom Y. Keller) writes:
>-Message-Text-Follows-
>
> I'm scouting for a nice Passover picture or image file...f.ex. a Seder
> plate ....
>
> Pls reply via E-mail,  Thanks
>
> L'hit
>
> Dom Keller


A gif file either uuencoded or available for anonymous ftp would be
appreciated also.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
| H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
|_________________________|____________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism & Halacha (was Re: Following Sedar tradition)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:19:10 GMT

In <1992Apr6.211824.3101@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:

> The modern idea of "animals have rights too" (equating them to human
> beings) is IMHO avodas zarah and is not the same as avoiding tzaar
> baalei chaim

IMHO, while I do not hold the view that animals have rights equal to
those of humans, I don't see how that position could be avoda zara
unless one said "animals have rights because idol X said so".

Beliefs, even if they contradict the Torah, are not AZ unless they
involve other gods.  Of course beliefs that contradict the Torah are
to be avoided, but we still should keep our averot straight.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          The entire world		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/        is a very strange hamantaschen
 |warren@         But the tzitzit maker
/ nysernet.org    is not worried at all.
From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Liberal Judaism via FTP
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:33:46 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <FAIGIN.92Apr15131112@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>
>Thanks to the generosity of the kind folks at israel.nysernet.org, ftp access
>is now available to back issues of the mail.liberal-judaism digests, as well
>as to some information files I have accumulated over the years with respect to
>the positions of Reform Judaism.
>
>To access the back issues of the digest, ftp to israel.nysernet.org, and cd to
>the mail.liberal-judaism/digests directory. In there, you will find, for each


The full directory path for the mail.liberal-judaism archives is

israel/mail.liberal-judaism

all the archives at israel.nysernet.org are located under the israel/
directory.


Chaim


Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz)
Subject: Pesachdik Cat Food:  The Final Frontier
Originator: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:54:56 GMT

This morning, when I sold my chametz to my housemate, in a
burst of inspiration I sold my cats, too. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Re: A Review of one of Mutlu's Sources
Keywords: historical revisionism
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:43:57 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.152618.14509@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> milson@gauss.math.
mcgill.ca (Rob Milson) wrote:

[RM] Well, I did it.  Went to the library and tracked down one of Hasan
[RM] Mutlu's sources: Adventures in the Near East by A. Rawlinson.  I am
[RM] probably going to be covered with spittle and derision by the other
[RM] netters for actually taking Mutlu seriously enough to go and check his
[RM] sources, but what I found by reading Rawlinson's book may be helpful in
[RM] shedding some light on how Mutlu organizes his propaganda.

Congradulations, Mr. Milson. You took Mutlu's revisionism seriously, and
made an example out of it.

Your type of investgation, refutation, and article have been seen in soc.
culture.turkish (and preceeding it, in soc.culture.greek) since late 1987!

I suspect you will now be called all sorts of names, such as terrorist, a 
killer of Kurdish babies, or even an Armenian!

I would like to add to your expose', several general comments:

Not only is text pulled out of its context and used as anti-Armenian fodder,
but the events surrounding the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, which began
in 1915, effectively ended in 1916 with the destruction of the Armenians
in Anatolia, are confused in time and space with other events.

The book you took the time to expose, and the specific quotes taken out of
context, refer to different times and places with respect to events in 1915
in Anatolia -- which is the real issue. This is a technique to blend events
which took place in Anatolia in 1915 with events in 1918, 1919, in the 
Caucasus Mountains. The attempt is to fool the reader into concluding that
what happened to the Armenians "somewhere" was the result of some nebulous 
events at "sometime", allowing a "yes all sides suffered" conclusion, by
specifically not providing dates and/or places for such events/references.

The ultimate purpose of all such revisionism is to avoid taking responsibilty
for the genocide of the Armenian people by the Turkish government.



-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't 
P.O. Box 2761                        |  even explain 1915?" 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992
From: bayrak@seas.smu.edu (Coskun Bayrak)
Subject: Re: Ne Oldu???????
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:22:39 GMT

In article <92104.155550E55940@TRMETU.BITNET> <E55940@TRMETU.BITNET> writes:
>Neden uzun bir suredirSCT de hic makale yok????
>
>
>selamlar,
>
>
>Gakkos

Eeeeh ne yapsinlar sonunda pes dediler. Meydan bosalmis bir halde isteyen istedigi sekilde at kosturabilir....

=============================================================================
Ofli! Cay ucermisun? Ya ketur oni.
Ama paralidur! Ya kotur oni.....!!
=============================================================================
C. C*

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe
From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Ousted Azeri President Says Claim of Armenian Massacre was Staged !!
Summary: UseNet fascists take note, Middle East Technical Univeristy take note
Keywords: Ayaz Mutalibov's interview with a Czech journalist
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:47:04 GMT


The following is an Azeri explanation for the Azeri media blitz regarding a
claim of an Armenian massacre of Azeris.

This explanation is noteworthy for is comes from the mouth of the "former"
Azeri President Ayaz Mutalibov! Anti-Armenian fascists -- read this closely!

       AZERI LEADER, AYAZ MUTALIBOV SAYS "MASSACRE INCIDENT" WAS STAGED

The Czechoslovak journalist Dana Mazalova recently conducted a Moscow 
interview with ousted Azerbaijani President Ayaz Mutalibov. The following is 
an excerpt from that interview, which can be seen in the April 2, 1992 issue 
of _Nizavisimaya Gazeta_.

MAZALOVA: What are your thoughts about the incident in Khodjalu, which was
          followed by your resignation? Corpses from the fighting in Khodjalu
          have been found not far from Aghdam. It appears that these people
          were initially shot in the foot to prevent them to move further,
          after which they were hit with axes. On February 19, my colleagues
          had filmed these corpses. On March 2, the same corpses were shown
          scalped. It seems like weird games.

MUTALIBOV: Those residents who survived the Khodjalu incidents have stated
           that whatever happened there was orchestrated only to create the
           scenario for my resignation. There were certain elements working
           the overthrow of the President. I highly doubt that the Armenians
           would provide revealing documents to the Azerbaijanis. I can only
           assume that certain people were interested in using those pictures
           at the plenary session of the Azerbaijani Supreme Council to place
           the focus of the attention on my person.

My Comments to the fascist crowd:

Perhaps our net-fascists can chew on this and then pass it to their fellow
Gray Wolf zealots at Turkey's Middle East Technical University, from where I 
have received numerous death threats -- as if I caused the Armenian-Azeri 
conflict!! You anti-Armenian fools fell victim to a staged incident! However,
you served your masters well, by generating more ethnic paranoia in the 
Republic of Turkey!

-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't 
P.O. Box 2761                        |  even explain 1915?" 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992
From: HQ.GGG@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: balik yumurtasi
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:03:43 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

Amerikali bir yazar arkadasimiz Turkiyede yedigi balik
yumurtasinin hangi baliktan ciktigini ve bugunku fiyatini
sormakta. Kendisi bunu 1960'larda TR'de yemismis...

Ileri surdugune gore bu havyarin ciktigi baliktan cikmazmis...

Yardimlariniz icin sagolun.

        trknws-l
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4238 talk.politics.soviet:3429 soc.rights.human:1436 talk.politics.mideast:10803 soc.culture.europe:3768
From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (OSMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: test
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

This is a test, do not panic!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4248 soc.culture.german:3066 soc.culture.europe:3783
From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Germanya...
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:04:06 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

On April 14, 1992 Marc Milanini writes: 

>My words "bombing an entire population were far too strong. Do you agree
>that the Turkish Army is bombing areas where civilians (Turkish citizens)
>are living ?
>...
>Yes, I am. How many of those terrorists (the ones that the Turkish Air 
>Force is bombing) have been trialed ? Who decided that they were
>terrorists ? Who decided that they should be put to death ?
>Are you sure that the Kurdish population is not supporting them ?
>If they find support among the civilians, then they are no longer
>terrorists, right ? If not, it should be easy to convince the
>civilians to help find them.

These questions are typical of people who either do not take the
time to investigate the matter throughly but make strong allegations
against the Turkey anyway, or approach the matter with certain biases
against Turkey in the first place.

To set the facts straight, Turkish Forces did not bomb any area inside
the borders of Turkey (where Turkish citizens live) anytime ever. 
However, they bombed certain PKK camps inside Northern Iraq. The
location of these camps were identified using Turkish intelligence as
well as satellite pictures provided by a third country (according to 
Turkish sources). - If you don't know, there is no government authority in 
Northern Iraq since the gulf war.

Now to the question of who decides that these people are terrorists?
Well, if you haven't already read, even the Kurdish people inside Iraq,
followers of Barzani, do not approve of the terrorist activities of PKK.
In a recent visit to Turkey, Mesut Barzani promised that his people
are going to help Turkey to stop the terrorist activities of PKK
which he believes harms the Kurdish cause. 

Let me ask some questions to you in return:

1) Are you serious in your claim that Turkish forces bombed areas
where Turkish citizens live? Where did you read or see this?

2) What makes you believe that the Kurdish civilians support PKK? If so, 
what is the percentage of people (among the Kurds) who support PKK?

Good reading.

Murat
From: KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: THY in International Software Market
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:41:12 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool


 THY IN INTERNATIONAL COMPUTER MARKET

Ankara   (Dunya)-  Turkish   Airlines  (THY)   has  entered   the
international  software  market. It  sold  a  package program  to
Iceland  Airlines last  year  making  a name  for  itself in  the
international software  market, Turkish Airlines (THY)  will also
sell  package  programs  to  the Algerian,  Balkan  and  Nigerian
Airlines companies this year.

THY officals have  said that the work done in  the last 5-6 years
in  it's Centre  in software  was presented  in an  international
Airlines  Conference  organised by  the  Software  AG Company  in
Darmstad, Germany, in February.

The  officals  said  that  THY's software  programs  are  special
because  they are  made by  using the  most advanced  technology,
which makes these programs more attractive.

NEWSPOT, 26 March, 1992
            _
|-| /-\ |_ |_| |<
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4009 talk.politics.mideast:10355 soc.culture.europe:3553 soc.culture.german:2900
From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:02:13 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


In article <1992Apr3.175706.14048@ee.rochester.edu>, tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp) writes:
|> >|> 3) Do you think that the Turkish government should just watch the terrorists
|> >|> kill INNOCENT people?
|> 
|> >Do you think that the Kurds should just watch the army kill INNOCENT people,
|> >kill a whole people?!?
|> 
|> >Frank
|> 
|> Could you list your sources for your CLAIM that the Turkish forces kill
|> INNOCENT people, and a whole people? What is a whole people? 


+As you can think, my sources are not any turkish newspapers, but you can take 
+any other newspaper of any other nationality to read what people think
                                                                  ~~~~~
+about turkish agressions against kurds.



      THANKS FOR VERIFYING MY POINT. SO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS
      ARE BASED ON WHAT SOME NEWSPAPERS THINK AND NOT ON FACTS.  I WONDER
                                        ~~~~~
      IF THOSE NEWSPAPERS THAT YOU READ HAVE REPORTERS IN SOUTHEAST TURKEY
      TO FIND OUT THE FACTS, OR ARE THEY REPORTING WHAT THEY THINK ?
                                                             ~~~~~
      


|> 
|> Do you know how many Turkish soldiers and how many PKK terrorists were 
|> killed in the region since 1984? You seem to be an EXPERT on the issue.
|> Enlighten US!! Or is it you habit to make up stories like that?

+I give that question back to you.



     I TAKE THIS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, OR IF YOU DO HAVE THEN
     THE ANSWER DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. PLEASE, IF YOU ARE GOING
     TO CLAIM SOMETHING ABOUT KILLING A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE USE ONLY
     FACTS, NOT WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK!
     THANKS.



+Frank

MURAT