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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: ???D.C. CRISIS??? 
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:58:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.200256.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>CRISIS is the 12-issue "CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS" series that 
>came out from DC around 1985-86. The DC universe had been a *very* 
>comlicated place for many many years because every time a 
>writer/editor would make a continuity error hey would correct it 
>by saying that the story had taken place in a different dimension. 
>...
>he editors decide that it wasn't such a great idea to have a 
>"last Batman story" so they say that it occurred on a different Earth
>i even another alternate dimension called Earth-2 where all 
>"our" heroes are old men -- they then decie to call "our" Earth 
>"Earth-1".     

Wrong, although some particularly bad continuity goofs in Brave & Bold
were jokingly assigned to Earth-B(oltanoff). Back in the 40s, DC had
a fair number of superheroes. For various reasons, just about all of
them had their series cancelled by the 50s save for Superman, Batman,
and Wonder Woman (with Green Arrow, Aquaman, and a few others surviving
as back-up stories in titles fronted by the big two).

Come the mid to late 50s, DC started publishing "new" superheroes.
Ones with the same superhero name as the 40s ones (Flash, Green Lantern,
etc.) for the most part, but with different costumes, secret ids, in
some cases powers and origins, etc. In 1963, they decided to team-up
the Golden Age Flash with the current one. The explanation for why
Jay-Flash had never shown up to even say hi to Barry-Flash was that
the 40s characters were on a separate Earth, called Earth-2 since the
first transfer from Earth-1 to Earth-2. In later stories, Earth-3 and
a few others were introduced. Then as DC acquired characters from other
companies, such as Quality and Fawcett and Charlton, it'd put them on
Earths -X, -S, and -4 respectively.

>The DC staff (during DC's 50th anniversary) s decided they had enough
>ofthis "multiple earth" stuff and hired two of their most popular 
>comic book guys, Marv Wolfman and George Perez (of Teen Titans fame),
>to write a 12-issue series that would bring *ALL* o of DC's worlds
>into one single Earth that would have one single continuity.

Not quite. Wolfman and Len Wein proposed the series to DC.

>You may be able to find it in paper-back format somewhere, although
>I'm not entirely sure if it was ever released in one volume?  It's a

It'll be released as a trade paperback in early '93.

"You know, I suspect that all the continuity problems can be traced to a
single, pivotal event.  After all, Darkseid, evil tyrant of Apokolips, slew
Jonni DC, Continuity Cop back in what, '83?  Soon afterward, the plans for
_Crisis on Infinite Earths_ began resulting in a) a total mess of continuity,
and b) vast exposure for Darkseid, including being made part of the TV cartoon,
participating in any number of miniseries, and making trouble for everyone from
the Green Lantern Corps to Jimmy Olsen.  A nefarious scheme begins to
unfold..."  ---Mike Schiffer
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Spiderman 2099 #2
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:17:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Well, I said last month that I'd stick around for issue #2, and now
I guess I'll stick around for issue #3, thanks primarily to Peter
David's writing.  He's doing a remarkably good job with exceedingly
unpromising raw materials.  The premise is silly, the world of 2099
is unimaginatively and unrealistically portrayed as that of 1992
with slightly better special effects, and the constraints of the genre
require that intelligent people spend a lot of time acting stupidly.
Writing well within those constraints is a rare and enviable talent.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD, sex, nudity, and Valor in Starman
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 09:31:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

That is correct.  That issue of Starman was plotted by Keith Giffen and
scripted by myself.  The character was identified as Valor in all the liner
notes, so I took that as guidance that I should call him Valor.  

That issue was one of the few times where my name appeared on a story that
I had nothing to do with at the plotting stage.  My main contribution to
it was the addition of the off-panel narrarator, "The Swatcher," and the
notion that Starman and Valor was fighting because Starman was unwittingly
saying insulting things in Valor's language.  

PAD
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Sandman: Darkness in Corinth (Small Spoiler)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:20:53 GMT

In article <lsmith.718663494@deci>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> 
> So how and why does the Corinthian return? I'd argue he was "gone" as 
> Morpheus has control over his creations and we did see the body (a portion
> of it anyway) in one of the last issues of Season. 

Remember what Dream said when he found the Corinthian?  He was
dissapointed that Cory didn't do more than inspire a few serial
killers, and said something about making him better the next
time around.  Brr.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@hailstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct9.215821.7681@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
)In article <1b30v5INNls9@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
)>	At the beginning of the conversation
)>Desire tells Despair that Dream is back. (I.e. out of the crystal
)>sphere.) So that conversation takes place in the present, and not
)>in a flashback. 
)
)Perdon? I just checked issue #10, and Desire says nothing of the
)kind. 

	I haven't checked the actual dialogue; I'll do so tonight. 
But I'm sure that the start of the dialogue goes approximately:
Desire: I have big news. He's back.
Despair: The prodigal?
Desire: Who? Oh, him. No, no, I speak of Dream.

	This was the first reference to "the prodigal".

	If the conversation was in 1932, how could Dream have been back?
At that point he was destined to be pent for more than fifty years more.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "Think of the ragged poverty of a language that 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | has to make one word do the work of six, and a
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | poor weak thing of three letters at that."
                           |  -- Mark Twain, "The Awful German Language"
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Cerebus, in general
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:08:12 EDT

aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:

> 
> 	GRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEETings, fellow readers.  I am General
> Loudmouth of the Belligerentarian Liberation Foundation.  It came to our
> attention recently that SOMEONE out there actually doesn't read Cerebus, so o
>  course we took overly drastic action and locked the dirtball in a cell to
>  ROT UNTIL THE END OF HIS DAYS!!!!!!!  HAAA -HA- HA ha!  
> 	Only YOU can help him.  To free King Rat, the captured one,  send him
> E-Mail describing IN GENERAL the concept and story behind Cerebus.  The

What?  You mean there really *is* a plot and story behind Cerebus?  I'd 
heard rumours to that effect, but....

Well, actually.... I'm of the opinion that it's one of those comics where 
it's better if you don't try to understand things before you start.  Just 
plunge in and read, and don't worry about details: you'll either get it 
or not, regardless.

Cerebus is Dave Sim's quirky and satirical views on life given form and 
substance as he chronicles the adventures of a barbarian aardvark in a 
world he never made (unless he *did* make his world, the possibility 
might exist) as he goes from wandering mercenary to Prime Minister to 
Pope.  Part of the story is that of the people he meets throughout his 
life, like the dancer Jaka, the movie-refugee Lord Julius and this 
clones, fill-in-the-blank-roach (e.g., Punisherroach, Wolverroach - haev 
we had Loboroach yet?).  Meanwhile the Cirinists are fighting the 
Tarimists and Cerebus is having metaphysical adventures.

A lot of it is better left undescribed: to describe too much would be to 
ruin set-ups.

Try it.  It's worth it.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Characters available for Marvel 2099
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:28:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

>I was thinking about Marvel's 2099 series and who from the 1990's would
>still be alive in 2099 given what we have been told.

>The original Dr. Doom:  In an Iron Man comic Dr Doom and Iron Man are
>Dr. Strange:  In a divergent future (Gardians of the Galaxey(sp)) Strange is
>The Red Skull:  given his access to cloning equipment and the extended life
>Wolverine:  hinted at in GOTG that he MAY still be alive in the 31st
>Machinesmith:  since he is a robot with a human mind, he should still be
>any comments and additions would be welcome.

The Hulk/She-Hulk: Alleged to have Mega-healing factor(tm). Iffy.
The Thing: Does he age?
*All* heralds of Galactus: Cosmically charged beings never die...
The Eternals: see above
*All* Elders of the Universe: Aside from the fact that it's what they
	do, Death recently forbid them from dying.
Thanos: see 'heralds of Galactus', and also special relationship w/Death.
Phoenix (Rachel Summers): see 'heralds of Galactus'
Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau): lives off of energy? questionable.
Quasar: Assuming he becomes un-Nullified, semi-cosmically charged. Iffy.
Super-Adaptoid: robotic
Vision: robotic
Awesome Android: robotic
Ultron: robotic
Baron Mordo: mystically charged
Dormammu: mystically charged / native of alien dimension
Clea: as above
Cult of the Darkhold: old mysitc cults never die...
Mys-Tech: as above
*All* time-travellers: by definition, they can show up at *any* time...

This is all I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure
the possiblilities range in the hundreds.
(It's almost too easy to think of an excuse for having a particular
character alive 100 years hence.)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Characters available for Marvel 2099
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:40:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct12.215048.10294@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>By 2099, Franklin Richards should be just about old enough to enter 
>high school.

Optimist.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Michael Dalton Allred? (was: Sandman dream artists)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1avceqINN1bi@agate.berkeley.edu> schlatt@chaos.berkeley.edu (mark schlatter) writes:
>	(Gaiman also mentioned that he would love to get Michael
>Dalton Allred to do an issue, but Karen Berger said no.)

I don't believe I'm familiar with Mr. Allred's work.  What has he done?

                           "If we really wanted to be Machiavellian jerks,
                            there's a lot more stuff we'd do."
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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:53:40 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Three arms might work -- you'd need 3 different ball and socket
 > joints with all the muscles that move them, but if you did them in a
 > triangular layout it would probably all fit.
 > 
 > Moving them independantly of each other would take some brain power,
 > but it doesn't look like the cyber-dude moves them in radically
 > different ways.
 > 
 > I don't see how he aims the guns -- you can't hit the broad side of
 > a barn shooting from the hip with one hand, much less 3. The guns
 > must be so hi-tech they have tracking mechanisms.

It's kind of hard to tell with the first issue, but it looks like at least
two of his right arms are cybernetic.  Perhaps hence, "Cyberforce"?  Like
I said, it's hard to tell for sure, but it looks that way on the cover.
I don't know why they put two robot arms on one side of the body, but that
might account for their accuracy with guns.  The arms themselves may have
tracking and aiming mechanisms, that are tied in with Stryker's eyepiece.
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who the heck was Irving Forbush???
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:12:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

drichey@eng.auburn.edu (David M. Richey) writes:

>I've seen many references to the name "Irving Forbush" in old (1970's)
>Marvel comics -- usually in Stan Lee's Soapbox. Who was this guy? and
>what did he have to do with Marvel?
>David
>(who feels on the outside of and inside joke)

He was a fictional character (caricature?) made up by Stan in
the 60's (or earlier). 
Similar to Mad's Alfred E. Neuman, except not nearly as grotesque
and I don't think he existed visually (except for those *awful*
cartoons that used to show up in Marvel Age) until _Not Brand Echh_
was published (late 60's/early 70's ???).

For the most part he was just a stupid name that SL made up.

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: PAD, sex, nudity, and Valor in Starman
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:19:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.130940.7319@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <69953@hydra.gatech.EDU>, vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Hughes) writes:
>> Okay, let me get this straight.  Valor was Lar Gand
>> before his heroic fight in the Eclipso crossovers, at
>> which point he became Valor and got his own series.
>> 
>> But he was Valor in Starman #35, where he and Arizona's
>> favorite son meet.  So this story must happen after
>> Valor gets his name.
>> 
>> EXCEPT in the Eclipso crossovers Starman died. (And a
>> rather poor and out-of-character death, IMHO.) So the
>> DC continuity is torn assunder and the heroes can do
>> nought to save it.  (But then again, they already
>> used that storyline, didn't they?)
>
>        Since Valor is basically Keith Giffen's baby, I would imagine DC
>will say that whoever wrote the issue of STARMAN to which you refer, simply 
>screwed up.  Too bad, a writer should not be penalized because the creating
>writer has not yet setteled on their character's origin.  I'm sure the STARMAN
>writer (Roger Stern was it?) was forced into using Valor for publicity purposes
>anyway.  Right about now, I say "Who cares?"

I think PAD posted earlier this year saying that Giffen wrote the issue,
but he (PAD) scripted it.  I ever-so-kindly followed his suggestions
for getting him to respond to a post (as given on one of the Star Trek
groups), so I hope he sets the record straight.

>        --shylock, who hopes that one day Garry Trudeau will take over the
>               writing chores of LSH :)

And Berke Breathed will take over the writing chores of LNH!   :)

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 15:14:33 -0400 
From: John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
	<21012@plains.NoDak.edu>


On 07-Oct-92 in Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)    
user David Henry@plains.NoDak writes:
>>   Huh? Excuse me, but am I reading that someone is trying to show how
>>ignorant I am based on an opinion? I took AP Art History in high school,
>>it may not be a college class, but it's supposed to be representative of
>>one. In that class, I did not see one piece of 20th century art that I
>>liked. So I believe that this qualifies me to make a "sweeping
>>statement" (which is only my opinion) that I don't like 20th century
>>"art". (BTW when I'm referring to 20th century art, I mean the new "in"
>>styles that occurred this century. Anything which is drawn clean and
>>with a certain amount of realism and is true-to-form, I'm not including.)
> 
>Clean and real also covers a lot of 20th Century art. Please make the correct
>sweeping statements when you're just blithering on. And the only thing which
>qualifies anyone to make a sweeping statement is a big mouth (me included).
>Being well-versed in the area of question just lets you back up your
>arguments for a longer time. :-)

Yeah, and the mouth gets even bigger as I shove my foot in it even more...
I'm not going to even try to defend my sweeping statement anymore because I've
already swallowed my foot to the ankle because of a friend of mine.
Oh, well...blithering on was fun... :)
 
>>I believe that that
>>kind of abstraction distracts the reader from the story and makes it
>>difficult to figure out what's going on. (At least for me.) I enjoy the
>>art of Ron Lim and I thought the Infinity Gauntlet by Perez was
>>beautiful!
> 
>And I hold that Mignola is truly talented because you can read the emotions
>in the pictures, and Lee is worthless for anything but lunchbox art because
>he can't draw two panels that have any sequential story linking them.
> 
>>BTW, I received a 5 on the exam.
> 
>100 was passing? Gah!

I know, disgraceful isn't it?

>-- 
>David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
>"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
>"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
>dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu

BTW Do you have your CTHULHU for President button on right now? Personally I'm
for Stimpy in '92. He has that stupid look and "Duh, I can do it" down
just right.



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The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"Oooohhhh no! Forget that stuff!"  -  Ren Hoek, "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: NHS #$ (color)
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1bgc0kINN41
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


While on the topic of NHS, I'd like to make mention of the fact 
that I'm in the process of getting Ben a bona fide internet 
account (he's already on GEnie and Fido).  Hopefully he'll be
posting here before the end of the month.  Stay tuned...

PS  NHS Yearbook 1992 is out.  Keep an eye out for it!  It (along
  with STD) are Antarctic's first attempts at colorization - once
  all the bugs are worked out, more and more of Antarctic's line
  will be in color.  Again, stay tuned...

 - net.spy!  (Asst. Editor, Furrlough and Wild Life)
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From: hfaester@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hannes Faestermann)
Subject: Re: Corto Maltese
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:58:33 GMT

pkor@zombie (Pasi Korhonen) writes:

>	Yo !

>Any Corto Maltese fans out there in the net.land ?? I'm a great fan and have
>read most of the albums. Opinions ?? Any Corto Maltese GIFs FTPable anywhere ?

Wow !

At last something else than superheroe stuff in this newsgroup.

Opinions: Corto Maltese is great :)
  I like the b/w drawings especially and were quite disappointed when
  I heard that Hugo Pratt was going to color them - only to learn that
  the colored stuff is pretty good, too. Any other opinions on this ?

  About the character of Corto I like most that he's not presented as
  a hero but more like someone trying to avoid adventures.

I have also read most of the stuff as it's available in German. So I 
would be interested to learn for which languages there are translations.

That's it for now - I'm looking forward to lengthier discussions :)

	Hannes

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
From: root@alba.e-burg.su (Volkov Alexander Nikolaevich)
Subject: my congratulation on the USA historical holiday...
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:12:59 GMT
Reply-To: root@alba.e-burg.su
Organization: Alba
Summary: World, excuse me, I cannot write "Distribution: only USA"...

Hi, my american friends,
Please, accept my sincere congratulation on your's celebration a
five-centenary !
>From Russia with...Best Wishes, Alexander Wolkow.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.typical
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:25:17 GMT
Keywords: typical

friedman@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:

>>Get it!!!

>I did!!!  It's typical!!!
>However, I do encourage people to take a look: it's certainly isn't
>the worse title by far.  I might even give the second issue a chance,
>though it looks like it's gonna be a team vs team brawl... (yech!)

*Shrug* That's what most comics are..Heck, stuff like Cerebus wouldn't
stick out if most comics were simplistic melodrama. Let's face it,
most comics are pretty cheesy. That doesn't mean that those of us
who enjoy them don't realize that. *grin* Heck, people have bullets
bouncing off their chests, no one is average looking, and all the
girls have large breasts and wear spandex. It's escapism. It'll always
be popular and for a totally different reason than the reasons 
"good" comics are. You read Maus, TDKR, Watchmen, and Marshall Law's
"Fear and Loathing" for vastly different cerebral stimulation than
you get from the latest X-whatever fist fight. In that category,
Cyberforce is great..cool costumes, cool fightscenes, nice art. 
Plot? *giggle* Get real..if you want plot, don't read comics. 
Or at least, don't read monthlys.

Axly

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