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From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:39:15 GMT

Nabeel_Ghuzlaan (Nabeel) writes:

>   It is obvious knowledge that every country decides what is a personal right
>and what is not, everywhere. Don't you know that? E.g. this and last years in

That is the point: what the reactionary akhounds in Iran consdier
personal rights is as big as their own brains (i.e., nill). You 
cannot accept

	* execution of 13, 14 year olds as a country's rule,
	* execution of pregnant women as a country's law
	* raping virgin girls before execution as a system of justice
	.
	.
	.
	* forcing women to cover themselve as the limit of their
	  personal rights.

The Iranian women may not want to cover their hair. 113,000 arrests
a year, or 800 arrests in just two days in Tehran is a very strong
indication of how Iranian women oppose forceful hijab. It is perhaps
because forceful hijab is not in their culture, or else they are
opposing the kind of hijab that has been FORCED into their culture
during the last dark 13 years.

Why don't go educate yourself in human rights and democratic values.

>Canada women were arrested and tried for baring their tits while somewhere
>else in the world it is considered a personal right. Most countries consider
>dealing with drugs an offense. Who decides? The government of the country,
>not foreigners or citizens living abroad. As long as "personal" rights are
>restricted everywhere, it is difficult to criticize saying this is a right
>and that is a wrong. Mostly people in the same culture decide whether
>something is offensive to them or not.
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:14:26 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <assist.716356514@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>>> 
>>> To the best of my knowledge, nuns are not *forced* per se,
>>> but choose to wear their dress. If a women wishes to cover
>>> herself, that is her choice.
> 
>>Can a women become a nun if she displays her body?
> 
> If a woman chooses to become a nun, then she is obligated to follow
> the rules set for nuns. You don't seem to understand the difference
> between a personal choice and forceful imposition of a practice. I
> don't blame you; you are just a typical follower of Khomeini. It is
> part of the package.

Good!  If a women chooses to become a Muslim, she has to follow rules set by
Koran.  As majority of the Iranian women believe in Koran, alhamdolillah,
they observe veiling.  Men never forced them to cover their body. It was
their choice to accept islam inculding veiling. 


 
>>> Keep that kind of closeness to God to yourself; let the Iranian
>>> women choose for themselves how close they want to be to God.
> 
>>Iranian women has already decided what is good for them by overwhelmingly
>>voting in favour the present islamic constitution of Iran.  I would
>>like every democratic-minded person to respect their will.
> 
> See, that's what you get from reading the Arabic section of the
> Keyhan Havaii. If you were in touch with the reality, you'd
> realize that arresting 113,000 women a year is a strong indication of
> Iranian women opposing the regime's dictorial, retrogressive rule.
> (The number of arrests is probably much higher as the regime does
> not release the actual figures representing the scope of its terror.)
 
Please, do let us know the source of your news. 


regards,

Asad.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Is Iran/Iranians terrorist ?y
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:10:37 GMT

fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]
>> I don't think Ramin or any other Iranians (who isn't associated
>> with the ruling akhounds in Iran) is fooled to think that he or
>> she is a terrorist just because the media may use such a term.
>> 
>> Ramin's point, as I take it, is that, thanks to 13 years of reactionary
>> akhoundism system in Iran, there has been countless incidents of
>> fatal terrorism in Europe, Turkey, Pakistan, many hostage-takings
>> in both Iran and Lebanon, etc., that have been sponsored and
>> financed by Khomeini and akhounds like Mohtashemi and Rafsanjani.
>> (I am now ignoring the larger kind of terrorism and repression taking
>> place inside Iran. That by and in itself is another major issue, small
>> pieces of which, like execution of pregnant women, has been reported
>> here and there.) These terrorism acts, as well as death sentences
>> issued for Salman Rushdie, participants in Arab-Israeli negotiations,
>> etc., by akhounds like Rafsanjani is why the media has been using the
>> term "terrorism" with respect to Iran.
>> 
>> The media's problem is in attributing terrorism acts with Iran
>> instead of more explicitly attributing them to Khomeini, his
>> akhounds, and supporters of the regime who have ordered, committed,
>> or supported such crimes.
>> 

>very smart 
>why media 
>1-do not report what is going on in saudia arabia and other gulf countries
>2-why media does not report how many lebanese are in Israeli jails unjustly
>3-why media never reported about repression in Iraq before the invasion of
>kuwait
>4-why media does not report about the popularity of the red Indians now vs. 50
>years ago
>5-why media never discussed in depth the fact that 96% of red indians on
>reservation camps are unemployed
>6-why media (your beloved western media) directly or indirectly was finding
>execuses for the coup in Algeria after the elections
>7- if the Bosnians were christians and the serbs were muslims how the media and
>yourself would have reacted?
>.
>.
>. and the list never ends. next time try to think when you listen to western
>media or people who just repeat blindly what the western media is saying

Frankly, I do not follow the meida's report on Bosnia, Algeria, etc.,
very closely. I am Iranian concerned about the pain and the suffering
of the Iranian people.

However, you can rest assured that if and when I see an article, ad, or
any coverage that relates to Iran and that it is distorted, incorrect,
or baseless, I will write to, send fax, and will call the Editor-in-Chief
or anyone else responsible for the false broadcast or news, and will
resgister my strong displeasure. I also send sufficient documents to
the news agancy in question to support my arguement and/or to contradict
their report. These are the scope of my responsibility with respect to
the media for as long as I've been in the U.S.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:29:44 GMT

>
                 <Some lines be darak vasel shodand>
>>As a
>> woman let me tell you that it is really awful to wear those uncomfortable
>> (dast-o paa geer) Islamic uniforms, so is walking around naked,
>
>Every one could not be like you.  Many people might consider moving naked
>as their right. What would you do about them?
> 
I say let them walk naked. I personally would like to see everyone walk
naked. Maybe that way we can reduce some of the "oghdeh" that has built
up in both men and women in Iran. Just remember the saying that goes
"Nadeed badeed, vaghti keh deed ..."

>> believe me! I am not about to discuss the pros and cons of Islamic
>> dress codes, but as an observer I have yet to see the benfits of it in
>> Iran. 
>> 
>> 						Noushin
>
>As majority of women in Iran like to wear "hijab", you ought to take
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>their side from democratic point of view if not from religious point of 
>view.
>
>Asad.

I don't recall Noushin saying that chador should be banned. All she is
saying is that people should have a choice. Tell me Asad, is the concept
of a woman with the freedom of choice so scary that it has led the 
government to pass laws against it. These are the acts of those who as 
we say in Iran "be khodeshoom shak daran" not to mention their women folk.

I would also like to correct the above state:

"As majority of women in Iran like to wear 'hijab', ...."  should read

"As most of the women I know in Iran like to wear the 'hijab', ..."

Big difference there. 
-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
From: nisus@netcom.com (Nisus Tech. Bruce Mori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian flag
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:06:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I was told:  Red for blood (to preserve the constitution)
	      White for peace and
	     Green for Islam

Of course, we can now interpret it anyway we want to! :)



In article <18577.2aa8e18d@levels.unisa.edu.au> 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>Salam Doostan
>
>I would like to know if any one out there knows the significants of the colors
>on the IRANIAN flag ( ie. green, white and red ).
>
>Thank you
>
>Yours faithfully
>Peyam Pourbeik
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:06:51 GMT



An official newpaper of the ruling tyrants in Iran reported last
year that 800 women were arrested and prosecuted for improper
veiling in just two days in Tehran.

Several weeks ago, the NYT reported that some 600 women were arrested
in Iran in few days for the same "crime": lack of what the regime
considers proper veil (i.e., the women should follow the regime's
reactionary, repressive policy of covering themselves in chadors, not
using perfume or makeups, not wearing colorful cloths, etc.)

A glance at the above figures implies that perhaps on average, at
least 300 (this is a pretty conservative figure) women are arrested
each day in Iran.

Well, 300 times 365 is 109,500. Is that an astronomic figure? Read
the following:

	Jomhuri-eslami (an official, state-run newspaper in Iran)
	11 Mordad 1371 (last month)

	Hojtaoleslam Rahmani [one of the ayatol-sheytans], the
	representative of "valie faghih" [obviously] and the president
	of the ideaological-political branch of the "entezami" [read:
	repressive] forces of the [anti-] Islamic Republic of Iran
	stated in a press meeting in Mashhad that ... ``113,000 were
	arrested in previous year because improper vailing and
	corruption and were taken to authorities.''

Yes, the regime itself admits at least 113,000 in one year! These
are the blessings of the "moderate" Rafsanjani.

An "akhound" is an "akhound". And akhounds are inherently against
women, against personal freedoms, and democratic values. Iran's 
situation will never get any better, but worse, as long as these
creatures, with their disastrous economic policies, limitless
crimes and human rights violations, and reactionary "velayate
vaghih" system are ruling in Iran.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: I.R.IRAN and FREEDOM
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:21:10 GMT

In article <22417.9209090943@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
>From: marshall@seas.gwu.edu (Christopher Marshall)
>Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
>
>Christopher Marshall writes:
>
>Do you all think there is any hope for Iran in the near (~10 years)
>future?  What would it take to free Iran?
>---------------------------------------
>
>FREE ? Iranians are FREE since 1979.
>
Be gholeh bacheh Tehrooniha "To keh rast nigi, vali in to kooneh adameh
dooroogh goo". Everyone please grab the largest thing in sight.

>I think you mean what the C.I.A do and how long it take to bring 
>somebody like SADDAM or FAHAD to rule Iran ? 
>this is the freedom in your dictionary. 
>
>
>M.G
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.

Are you comfy in Wales or are you suffering from the lack of freedom that
exists in the U.K

-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Nabeel_Ghuzlaan (Nabeel)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:23:21 GMT

oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:

> WHAT KIND OF OFFENSE ?. You mean that not wearing the chador is considered
>an offense in your beloved so-called Islamic revolutionary country ?. Why
>the hell can't you and other apoligists understand that we are living in
>the 20th century, and not in the midages ?. BTW, those "only 20 people" who
>were arrested (and we are speaking about women here), what GREAT OFFENSE did
>they commit ? putting makeup, maybe !!!. 
> 

   I do not support Irani government, etc., I am not an Iranian, I do not think
think that Iranians are Arabs, but anyway:

   It is obvious knowledge that every country decides what is a personal right
and what is not, everywhere. Don't you know that? E.g. this and last years in
Canada women were arrested and tried for baring their tits while somewhere
else in the world it is considered a personal right. Most countries consider
dealing with drugs an offense. Who decides? The government of the country,
not foreigners or citizens living abroad. As long as "personal" rights are
restricted everywhere, it is difficult to criticize saying this is a right
and that is a wrong. Mostly people in the same culture decide whether
something is offensive to them or not.

   Now that you learned that, can you kindly find some other group to
discuss matters irrelevant to this group? If there is no appropriate
group, you can vote for creating one. Good luck.

**Nabeel
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel and Mohammad Tabrizi Zadeh
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA

Peter Gabriel, the famous musician and composer did the music background
for the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ" back in 1989.  He was
working closely with some other musicians especially Mohammad Tabrizi
Zadeh.  The sound track music is under "Passion".  The CD (or tape)
consists of 21 songs, mostly instrumental.  When you listen to it you
can recognize a lot of Kurdish, Armenian, and Ghash-Ghaieh influence in
it.  They have done a superb job and they have given a new shape and
phase to Persian classical music.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:01:24 GMT

farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>|>>My friend, MKO has actively supported the invasion of Iran by Iraq and
>|>>Saddam's regime.
>|>
>|> Here is the first major lie. If you and anyone else could
>|> support the above statement, I'll swear to the legitimacy
>|> of the akhounds in Iran!
>|> 

>MKO's existance in Iraq is proof enough!   

>SO when is the swearing ceremony?   :-)

Farhad, your conclusion above has some serious flaws in it:

One, the invasion took place in early 1980's. When the Iraqi
forces were eventually forced out, and Iraq offered peace,
the Iraqi forces went in a "defending" state until the end of
war. The Mojahedin moved to Iraq in 1986 (and thanks to their
move, the war was stopped shortly after). Thus, when the Iraqis
invaded Iran in 1980, the Mojahedin were in Iran (not in Iraq)
and were in fact defending their own people. Further, when they
move to Iraq in 1986, Iraqis were no longer invading, but
rather prepared for peace. These are facts that are good to
be remembered.

Second, even if the Moajhedin were in Iraq when Iraqis invaded
Iran, that still would not be a sufficient proof, unless the
Mojahedin made a statement supporting the invation. The presence
alone is not enought. (Similarly, during the invasion of Kuwait,
the Mojahedin were in Iraq. Does it mean they supported? No.)

If your logic had any basis to it, then by anology, those
Iranians who were in the U.S. during 1953 were supportive of
the U.S. coup against late Mossadeq. (And many Iranians, including
political groups, were in the U.S.) Many Iranian groups and
individuals have been in the U.S. during the 80's. Does this
mean they supported the U.S. invasion of Grenada, or Panama or
war against Iraq?

Your kind of logic is similar to those of akhoundists. But
you are expected to be much smarter, however.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Major Iranian Arms Purchase
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:08:02 GMT


This article was originally posted in sci.military.
I post this in sci since it has news about major Iranian arms sale.

Ala.

From dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)


I posted this to "alt.war" but thought some of the people in this group might
find it interesting information.

I just recieved my September issue of _Proceedings_.  On page 123 of "World
Naval Developments" by Norman Friedman is the follow box article. Quote:


			MAJOR ARMS PURCHASE BY IRAN

Also news worthy was a article on the same page about a major purchase by Iran.
They are buying from Russia 12 Tu-22M Backfire bombers, 24 MiG-31s, 2 Mainstay
airborne radar-control aircraft (similar to the US's AWACS), 48 MiG-29s, and
24 MiG-27s plus several batteries of SA-5s, SA-11s, and SA-13s surface-to-
air missiles.  The price: 2.5 billion US dollars.  It is the first time that
Backfire bombers have been exported.  They poise a threat to any shipping in
the Gulf since they normally carry AS-6 anti-ship missiles and it is a *fast*
steep-diving missile that can be fired well outside of a battle group's 
antiaircraft envelope.  Thus, the Iranian Backfires can stay over Iran and
attack any ship in the Gulf.  No Gulf navy has anything remotely like the type
of anti-missile defense system that can defeat the AS-6.  It also appears
that spare parts and service is involved with this sale, including working on
the Iraqi jets that boogied to Iran from Desert Storm.

Don Palmrose
"I'd rather not serve on a ship designed to sink...."



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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Munafeghin
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:13:38 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <assist.716412243@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
> <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Munafeghin-a zed-a khalqh are known to everybody entirely for their
>>participation in anti-revolutionary activities against the khalqh-a
>>IRAN. They are weak and can not propose themeselves socially or
>>politically to the people of Iran. They are defeated politically,
>>socially, and more obvious one militarily. They are so weak inside
>>and outside that are forced to get united to some politically and
>>socially bankrupt khak-bar-sari such as Saddam Hossein of Iraq.
>>Marg bar munafegh. Marg bar zed-a Khalqh. Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh.
> 
> I take the above as your explanation for Khamenei's
> disgusting show of collecting money from women while
> allowing them to kiss his hands or feet. After all,
> he is the "leader" and must mimic his mentor's role.
> That explains your slogans above and in particular 
> the "Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh" call.

Do you know anything except hurling abuses ??  Your reply clearly
indicates the kind of "democracy" your party will enforce if you come in 
power.  May Allah protect the islamic revolution.

God help you,

Asad.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eao1431@zeus.tamu.edu (OUFI, ESMAEIL AKBAR)
Subject: Looking for a friend
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:57:00 GMT


	SalAm Doostan-e DiyAr-e "Mc Gill University"

I am looking for one of my friends:  Cyrus Ghaedi, 
studying in that university,  mechanical engineering, in M.Sc. level.

If, any of you by any chance find him in library or lab, please
let him send me an e-mail.

khaily Mamnoon

Esmaeil Oufi



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: vforo@ecst.csuchico.edu (ROMIN)
Subject: Re: Response to everyone
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:09:19 GMT


Ramin, this joke for you. (just a joke)

	A guy from shiraz with his wife move to Bander Abbose. He did that
because he was afraid of fights and madness, and he had heard that people in
Bander Abbose are calm and very friendly. On his second day in B. S. he gets
into a fight with a big guy and the guy grab his choke and tells him, "If I
see u here next time I gona cut your ear."
	So, he goes home and tell his wife that here is not our place and let's get out NOW. They go back and at night he goes to his house' roof with a kitchenknife. He starts to yell and says, "Age mardi bia inja ta bahat bagam donia 
daste kea, halla Baraye man nafas miKashi." His wife hears him and she walks to
the yard and says,"Toro khoda bia pa-yen ye mogha khon ra mindazy."

Ramin, it's just joke and u know it! 

Take care
ROMIN


"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Pointing to Future of Iran (Re: Baha'i prespective...)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:53:36 GMT
Organization: Round 2

In article <i.716490703@home> Mohaghegh writes:
>Mr. Bavafa writes:
>> In article <i.716247187@home> Mohaghegh writes:
>> >hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com writes:
>> >>one line deleted
>> >> "Let nothing grieve thee, O Land of Ta (Tihran) [This is the manner by
>> >>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> which Baha'u'llah addresses Iran in His Writings. KH] ......
>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >From (Tihran) it is obvious that he talks about Tehran and not Iran.
>> 
>> How do you know, jenAb-e mohaghegh? :-)  Have you done any studies of the
>> Baha'i Faith specially the writings of Baha'u'llah to report such obviousity?
>> I know, you were reading the sentence and interpreted it as it stands.

Hi Mohaghegh!  It was nice to hear from you.  Thanks for your short email, so I
will make mine short too.

>Easy, there is a place in Iran called "Tehran". At old time "Tehran" was
>spelled with "Ta". The writer had used "arze Ta" in other places, where it 
>could have meant only "Tehran".

But, if in certain paragraphs it _only_ meant Tehran, does it mean that in 
every other text it _has_ to mean Tehran too?  BTW, where were those places?
So I can go and study them on my part.

So what do you say, mohaghegh?  Do you suggest that the reference to 'ta' will
always point to Tehran?

Or could it be that Tehran or 'ta' is used as a reference to Iran?  IMHO, 'bA
ghAfieh yA bi ghAfieh' we Baha'is _believe_ in the future of Iran.  We have
found that working hard to fulfill this "va'deh" is an honor.  It means this
promise will not be fulfilled automatically simply because Baha'u'llah said so.
We have to work to actualize it.

>Do you need a reference?

Sure.  It would be nice.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian