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From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.202542.14333@samba.oit.unc.edu> cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) writes:
>I found an article entitles Epidural anesthesia, episiotomy, and
>obstetric laceration.  in Obstetrics and Gynecology vol 77,
>issue 5, pages 668-671 for 1991.  The abstracts says:
>
>The relationships among epidural anesthesia, forcept use,
>parity, episiotomy, and laceration were studies in 9493 uncomplicated
>vertex deliveries of spontaneous onset and normal course.  The use
>of epidural anesthesia was not associated with an increased incidence
>of severity of birth-canal trauma.  Episiotomy was associated
>with a decreased rate of perineal laceration, but an overall increase
>in the rate of perineal trauma.  The trauma that did occur with 
>episiotomies was four times more likely to be major than that when
>no episiotomy was performed.  
>
>The authors are from Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto, Canada.
>
>I had a forceps delivery, no epidural, with an episiotomy and
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	 Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow Ow

Wow! Ow!  I also had a forceps delivery and an episiotomy (how many stitches
I asked?  You don't want to know, she answered. Consider it just one big
long stitch, she suggested. My husband, who was watching, thought that would
be best too. 8-[ )....BUT...I had an epidural.  In fact, my Doctor said
forceps delivery was never undertaken without an epidural....at least in the
hospital where I gave birth.   So.....two hours of pushing.....baby's heart
rate dropping....Doctor says....the baby isn't positioned properly....we'll
try forceps (mid-forceps delivery is what I think they called it)...if that
isn't successful cesarian....get the anesthetician.  No questions about the
epidural....Thank God!!!!

					|
Barbara					| All stressed up and 
					| No One to Choke........
					|
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween party ideas wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:11:30 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world


> I told my boys that this year we would have a Halloween party.
> My boys are 4 & 8, and I'm envisioning that each will invite  3-4
> friends, and some of my younger son's friends moms or dads will probably
> end up staying, so I won't be doing this by myself.
>
> Showing a movie seems like a possibility (though it means borrowing a
> VCR, since I don't have one).  I've also thought of making caramel
> apples.   I haven't come up with anything else that I'm really excited
> about, though, for two sort of diverse age groups.  Any ideas would be
> greatly appreciated!

If you want to include dinner in your celebrations, here's a neat idea: serve
it in a big pumpkin!  Hollow out the pumpkin, but of course don't carve out
facial features! ;)   Fill the pumpkin shell with steaming hot soup or stew.
For maximum effect, don't tell the kids what's coming - just have them seated
around a large table or in a circle on the floor when you bring in the pumpkin
and set it in the centre.  Lift the lid, ladle out the dinner, and watch the
kids' faces for some neat expressions!   We do this every year and it's lots of
fun.

BTW, anybody planning a swim party for Halloween?  Or teaching swimming lessons
the day before?  If so, let me know (by e-mail as I don't always read this
group.)  I have some fun Halloween theme ideas that work well in the pool.

Happy Halloween!

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From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Flying International with an infant
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:07:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: emory.9688
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article <26578@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a question.  My wife and I will be moving to Paris soon, and
> we were wondering if it is possible to take along our newborn
> son for free.  I know you can do this for domestic flights, but
> what about for international flights?
> 

We just finished discussing this!  Anyway, you will be charged 10% of the
adult fare for a lap child "ticket" - this means you don't get a seat unless
there is an empty one on the plane.  We have done this several times and
were always charged 10% of our ticket price (which was always a cheap fare),
not 10% of full-fare coach.  

   Vicki


-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kayvan@satyr.Rational.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Subject: Re: My toddler the bully(?)
Organization: Rational, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:17:03 GMT

In article <17624@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

   If a child is raised in a loving environment where violent, aggressive
   behavior is not condoned, s/he will learn to handle her/his aggressive
   feelings and to find other ways to express them beside violence. Of
   course, this may mean that a few years down the road you have to
   deal with an epidemic of "poopoo-head" talk instead of hitting!

A friend of mine told me a story.

We're at little-kids' gym class (Gymboree) and the parents and kids
are sitting around in a circle. The instructor is asking the kids
their names, going around the circle. She asks Rebecca what her name
is and she says "Poopoo-head". My friend turned several shades of
purple and you could have heard a pin drop before the instructor asked
again "No, really, what's your name?"

Rebecca is (I think) about 4 or so.

			---Kayvan
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:45:01 GMT

	pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright....
>Maybe, we think, she will become a great lawyer upholding the rights
>and the liberty for many; or at least, she can be a doctor relieving
>the pains and the sufferings of the sick.  

Or maybe a proctologist.

The kid is only 4 -- why not let her be a kid, with all the attendant
silliness, fantasizing, and role playing that a 4 year old deserves?
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>	things in their environment.
>
>	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
>	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.
> 
>-- 

WRONG!!!!!

I used the Feingold diet for two years with my son, we tried all of these
"garbage" cures and he was still having problems.  I bought into the myth
that ADD was a fallacy because I didn't want to use medication, but soon
came to find out that ADD is truly a disease.  The Feingold diet is fine
for things like hyperactivity (sometimes) but not for ADD!!!

ADD is a brain dysfunction of sorts and it needs medical intervention in
some cases (not all) and it is definately not a fallacy!  Take it from
one who knows (my son has it).


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:29:50 GMT

In article <16870D446.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
> 
>Yes, it is possible to mix career and family.  But, it is extremely difficult
>and gets more difficult the more kids you have.  You have to make trade offs
>that other (non-parent) types don't need to make.  It is impossible to 'have it
>all' - I get to go to some of the kids school activities (but miss others
>because of work conflicts) and I get a career (but am not advancing as fast
>by choice as I could be).
> 
...
> 
>I am so very tired.  My biggest wish is to have just one evening where I
>could sit down at 8 pm and KNOW that EVERYTHING that needed to be done is done.
>I don't mean everything that should get done, I mean the necessities.
> 
>My second biggest wish (which ocassionally gets fulfilled by my husband) is
>to spend the day in my house ALL ALONE.  I am never alone (I think it's time
>to enforce some bathroom privacy rules at our house :).
> 
>I think that children these days (especially the girls) should be given a
>realistic picture of the choices they have and not be led to believe that they
>can 'have it all'.
> 
>Thanks for listening,
>Teresa
> 
>PS Companies need to allow some flexibility - alternate work weeks, part
>   time, etc.  Most of them don't (even when they publically say they do).

Modern husbands are more willing to share the house work and child-rearing
than their fathers.  But most of them still have some way to go in the
intuitive/sensitive domain.  (Ever wondering why the toddler always wants
mommy when they wakes up or goes to bed?:)  Hopefully modern parents will
instill more of such sharing, tenderness, caring,... etc. in their sons so
their daughters will have a even easier time to really 'have it all'.
It takes generations to get to this point, will take generations to get to
the next.  But it's going that direction. 

Wen-lin
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From: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: East Bay Regional Parks (Pool Safety)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO


 
Judy Leedom Tryer writes

(stuff deleted)

> My next door neighbor has a pool.  His yard is fenced.  However,
> the latch on the back gate (which is really a front gate, just on
> the other side of the garage) does not latch. 

(stuff deleted)

>It is "on his list" of things to do and as a homeowner I certainly
> understand how long that list can be.  But as a pool owner, and 
> with a neighborhood as full of kids as ours is, I think there is 
> a point at which "on my list" is no longer sufficient and the latch
> needs to be repaired.

I am the outgoing sort.  What I would do in this situation is when
that neighbor is not home, go over and check out what it would take
to fix the latch.  Then, I'd go to the hardware store and get what
I need.  Then, when that neighbor is not home, go over and fix that
latch.  (My assumption is that for less than 20 dollars and 1 hour,
this could be fixed).  I'd leave a very friendly note such as
"The good neighbor elf has just helped you to make your pool safe
and private for you and all the surrounding children."

I can't imagine that anyone would mind having something fixed if it
was done properly.  My peace of mind would be worth the effort and
expense.

Chris

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Chris Whitley            email: Chris.Whitley@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:30:17 GMT

In article <3343@isgtec.isgtec.com> mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
>day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
>
>[Your list of Demands: :-) ]
>> I don't want an IV unless I'm dehydrated (which I was Sat.).  
>
>One thing I've been told by several doctors and midwifes is
>that they like to give you an IV early in case anything goes wrong
>later.  

Well, there is a limit on how far to carry this; I can think of lots
of things to do 'in case anything goes wrong.'  Why not just go live
at the hospital so you won't have to make the drive there when you
go into labour?  That is dangerous (the drive).  This is probably
not a good example, but I am sure that there are others.

>If you should hemorrage (sp?) your blood pressure can 
>plummet almost instantly.  If this happened, your veins would
>collapse at least partially, and they'd never be able to get a
>needle in you fast enough to save your life.

The vein with the IV in it could also collapse and be rendered
unusable.

The only reasons I see for having an IV:  dehydration; epidural;
strong chance for an emergency C-section, where speed is definitely
a factor and your veins are not likely to collapse.

For some women, the pain and discomfort of an IV are intense.  I
would be more nervous and less able to relax with that stupid
needle in my arm, unless I had some 'help' from drugs.  Being
nervous can also slow labour.

I say this is an individual issue best discussed w/your doctor.
>              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader

One other thing--excess amniotic fluid CAN be of concern, if only
because it can cause premature or early labour because of the
growth of the uterus.  It CAN represent a fetal problem with
swallowing, etc.  Not always, though.

Mike, just finished watching the Blue Jays clinch!  Let's go Jays!


-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Oh - I'm BIG because I'm pregnant...
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:11:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.180634.19005@colorado.edu>, mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker) writes:
|> I wanted to THANK the many many people who wrote to me in response to my
|> question about carrying "4 weeks too large" (according to the measurement
|> technique, which does not have great significance).  Your answers gave me
|> new material to discuss with the doc, made me feel wonderful and surrounded
|> by supportive friends, and in many cases made me laugh.  Last night showed
|> me some lines in What to Expect about how blinders and earplugs should be a
|> mandatory part of the maternity wardrobe.  I do see her meaning.
|> [rest deleted]

It's also interesting to note that the rule-of-thumb that "#weeks-of-gestation
is supposed to equal height-of-fundus-in-centimeters" DOES apply pretty con-
sistently, even when the sizes at birth of the babies is widely different.

I was always 40cm at 40 weeks, yet I have 9 1/2 lb babies.  My friend was
also 40cm at 40 weeks, and she had a 6 lb baby.  Go figure.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rgering@world.std.com (Rebecca J Gering)
Subject: Washing Diapers with Tide
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:04:06 GMT

A friend who just had a baby is considering using Tide Ultra Free to
wash cloth diapers instead of Dreft (which I've always heard is the
recommended detergent).

Does anyone know if Tide Ultra Free is comparable to (i.e., as safe
as) Dreft?  If it is I'd like to give it a try as it's much cheaper
than Dreft (which is why she's considering it, too).

Thanks.
Becky Gering (rgering@world.std.com)
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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:48:48 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct4.192811.19354@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> kms5s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Kristin Margaret Semon) writes:
>I would first of all like to congratulate Holly on her
>courageous struggle to overcome quite a debilitating disorder.
>Then I will add that it HAS been found that both ADD and ADHD
>are brain abnormalities.  Only a doctor can truly diagnose ADD
>or ADHD- not a teacher or principal or whoever by using a
>checklist. Taking this information into consideration, one may
>guess that not as many kids actually have ADD or ADHD, but
>suffer from some other problem such as seizures or allergies.
>And Ritalin really does work- for those children who truly have
>ADHD and sometimes for those with ADD.  The problem with
>diagnosis is that too many people become frustrated with a
>child's behavior and immediately write him off as ADD/ADHD in
>order to get him on medication.  We really must be extremely
>careful when we label kids!  Oh, and the Feingold diet and

	Correct


>other diets have no effect on behavior, just as caffeine has no

	Come to my house.

	Do you have 1st hand experience?  Did you read the letter I
	posted?  Do you think that I am lying?


>effect.  Since these behaviors originate in the brain, sugar,
>caffeine, etc. does nothing to control or provoke them-- that's
>why the drugs work!!

	No you didn't read it.  Sugar has nothing to do with it.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: her8@ellis.uchicago.edu (sarah  herndon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Bed: Baby keeps waking up, Mom exhausted
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: her8@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

>>Our problem is that Kate is now waking up three times a night. Sometimes
>>she nurses a lot, and sometimes it seems more like "comfort nursing". We
>>need to get her out of the habit of waking at night, but we do not want
>>to give up the family bed. On the other hand, if the goal is to have her
>>sleep through the night, what good is the family bed doing us? We could
>>use a baby monitor.

We didn't exactly have a family bed, but I slept with my son almost every
night from 9 to 15 months, and still do sometimes.  This was because at
about 9 months he started waking multiple times wanting to nurse, sometimes
every two hours!

What helped?  Finally, a combination of weaning, especially from night 
nursings, the arrival of his molars (maybe), and (mostly) his natural
development.  I DO NOT recommend that you hurry weaning along now just to
improve your daughter's sleep.  I tried weaning off and on for several 
months for that reason, and it was a miserable failure-- until my son
was ready, and then it was easy.

My son slept through the night beautifully beginning at about 3 months, until
9 months, when, as I say, the problem developed.  My pediatrician told me
that this showed he had the ability to sleep through the night, and would
probably be able to do so again when he was ready.  Trust in this pulled
me through many a tired day.  Has your daughter ever been a good sleeper?

Good luck!  ------ Sarah
From: lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting utensils
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:54:14 GMT
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXDate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.200520.12822@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Susan
Gauch, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu writes:
>My favorite response is
>"If you want to have a doctor in the family, you should enroll
>in medical school"

Great answer! :-)
>
>Parents should not try to live their child's life for them.  Yes,
>you should present good role models (female doctors, or whatever).
>Yes, you should tell your daughter that she can "have it all"
>and be a doctor AND a wife AND a mother (but, have you talked to the
>women who are trying to do that?  It's an incredibly demanding
>task!).  However, I would also say CHILL OUT.  If your daughter
>really wants to stay home and raise a family, then fine, it's her
>life.  You should support her decisions and let her know her options.
>I much prefer to say "You are a very bright little girl.  You will be
>able to do whatever you want when you grow up."  This encompasses
>being a Nobel Prize winner in physics, starting her own company,
>or just staying home and planting a great garden.  People must choose
>their own way.

When are we going to backoff and just let children be children?  There is
a wonderful quote from 'The Prophet' that (to paraphrase, since I don't
have a copy here with me) basically says, we do not own our children,
they simple pass through us.  We cannot bend them to our wishes, but
simple encourage them to be the best they can be.

If your daughter decides to be a ditchdigger, then encourage her to be
the best ditchdigger ever.

This also reminded me of a comedy sketch with Robin Williams where he has
two dreams of his child.  One is of the child accepting a Nobel Peace
Prize, the other was of the child behind the counter of McDonald's asking
if your wanted fries, with your order.

I think the best we can do is to teach our children to be kind and
considerate and to always put their best effort into whatever they what
to do or be.

>Finally, your daughter is 4 YEARS OLD.  Next week, she'll probably want
>to be a cowboy.  For heaven's sake, let her dream her dreams now.
>It's a bit early to pick her career for her, or even insist that she
>have one.

Finally, I have to ask just one question...

Exactly what is so bad about being a mother and homemaker?  My mom was
that all her life, she is extremely intelligent and very well read.  

Lynne
From: jbutterf@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Butterfield)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:04:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Modeling & Analysis Lab

In article <1992Sep30.121543.16643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com writes:
>Last week I did an experiment with my daughter.  (She had told me that
>a glass had "100 drops" in it and she knows what 100 is.)  We took an
>eye dropper and squeezed out 100 drops.  When she saw how little that
>really was, she was amazed.  I'm looking for some more "physical science"
>type experiments, appropriate for a 5 yo, which can be done without special 
>equipment.  (e.g. candle in jar to show oxygen) 
>


One interesting thing to do -- get two glasses which both contain
the same amount, but are shaped differently. For example, one tall and
thin, and one short and wide. Then ask her which one holds more
liquid. Most likely she'll say the tall one. Have her fill the tall one
with water, then pour it into the other one to see that they're both
the same.

You could teach her about refraction by showing her how a pencil
appears to "bend" when it's put in a glass of water.

There are lots of fun things you could do. I recommend that you go to
the library and find a book of experiments for kids. There are a lot
of books like this. I've given several as gifts to my nieces and 
nephews.


jib
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Georgia Institute of Technology, GTRI Modeling and Analysis Lab
"Happiness is excitement that has found a settling down place..."
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