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From: luke@cs.city.ac.uk (Luke Whitaker)
Subject: Derek Piggott instructing in Chevrons ?
Organization: City University
Distribution: uk
Date:  5 Jan 93 10:57:42 GMT

I read a while ago (I think in S&G or Gliding) that Derek Piggott was now 
instructing in Chevrons. Does anyone have any info on this and specifically a
contact address ?

Thanks in advance,

Luke Whitaker,

PS please e-mail me and I will summarise if there appears to be any interest.
PPS The chevron (as far as I recell) is a micro-light that looks very much like
a motor glider (I assume the weight restrictions are different).
PPS! This is supposed to be uk distribution - apologies if it has escaped.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach)
Subject: Re: Glider to Power transition?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:43:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I did the glider to power transition also, but I did it over a four
month period and not in the all at once version that you are after.

FAA requires that you have 100 hours minimum in a power plane as a
requirement for towing gliders.  Flying a taildragger is more complex
than a nosewheeler and you may not be immediately able to start out in
them on your transition to power, but you may - talk to an instructor.

Your glider experience will save you only about 10 hours of the 40
you'll need for the power rating. That is if you are ready for your
FAA proficiency ride at the 40 hour mark.  Read FAR Part 61 under
private pilot requirements.  (I don't have the paragraph number.)  I
found that my glider experience did help me handle the "beast with the
engine" more smoothly and my instructor noted my rapid transition.  He
just chuckles because I recover from a stall like in a glider.....what
throttle?....:-) Remember that you are a private pilot adding a rating
and not a student pilot for the transition.  You'll also need to get 
a third class medical done.

As for doing it all at once.  You need to get your flight experience
and cross country work done.  You also need to take the written exam
for the airplane single engine land rating.  You'll need to factor that
into your schedule.

I know nothing about schools.

Mark
PP-ASEL-G/AT


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From: masak@asl.slb.com
Subject: Re: American Spirit kit purchased
Reply-To: masak@asl.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:51:11 GMT

BE cautious: the glider has a high stall speed !
In article <JEFFK.93Jan4105141@dosXX.med.utah.edu>, jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:
>There has been some discussion here recently about
>the American Spirit glider kit being offered by
>Advanced Soaring Concepts of Camarillo CA.
>In December, I put down the required %25 deposit 
>on a Spirit kit; my projected shipping date is 
>February 22.
>
>Buying this 'new' of a kit is, of course, a gamble. 
>However, I did enough research to convince myself 
>that the risk is acceptable.  My preference would 
>have been to wait until several owner-build Spirits 
>were flying.  However, I was motivated to buy in '92
>because ASC informed me that the price was going up
>four thousand dollars in '93.  The price is now
>$18,980 plus crating and shipping.
>
>The introductory price of $14,980 was almost more 
>than I was willing to pay for a kit.  I really want
>to build a Spirit, and I don't think I could have 
>gone for it at the higher price, so I took the plunge.
>I regret that the price is so high, because it prohibits
>many potential builders of this (hopefully) competitive
>US-made Standard class ship.
>
>ASC will have the Spirit prototype on display at the
>SSA convention.  Also, Tor Jensen, president of ASC,
>is giving a talk at the convention.
>
>If there is sufficient interest I would be glad to
>post what I have learned about the Spirit, and provide
>the names a phone numbers of the two people (not employed
>by ASC) that I have talked to about this kit.  One is a 
>glider pilot and repairman who has flown the prototype,
>the other is a professional airplane kit builder, both of
>which have purchased Spirit kits.
>
>
>jeff
>
>feitctaj
>
>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Re: Powered gliders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:13:00 GMT

In article <4JAN199317545325@vxcrna.cern.ch>, cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler) writes...
>In article <1993Jan4.160557.26450@pony.Ingres.COM>, smc@Ingres.COM (Steve Chapman) writes...

I forgot to say that all the newer motor gliders are petrol driven, and I 
expect that the available power from the kind of battery weight you were
quoting might with luck give enough energy to get you to a sensible height....
take a car starter motor as an example.... you need say 200 amps for say
10 minutes, which means with 12 volt technology, a standard car battery would
be drained in that time.... a car battery weighs in at around 30 lbs....
you would need a current control system so that the prop would not slow down as
the battery drained, and so I guess you could get a suitable motor and 
battery within the weight of a single human..... it would have to be
"certified" by the CAA in the UK or the aircraft would not be allowed to fly,
and imagine the precautions you would have to take to prevent sparks 
setting fire to the aircraft, and the cooling system to stop the motor
overheating ?   I know the starters on the current petrol driven engines
have been certified, but they only have to run for about 10 seconds or
so.... would electric motors still work in a guaranteed way after a good 
soak at high altitude at low temp ?   Would a large motor effect your
magnetic compass even from a large distance ??   What would the cable weight
have to be to carry the current required ?  Would you be able to proof the
motor against radio emissions ?  Interesting thought though.  Would you
be able to get sufficient current from 'gel cells' which are much safer in the
event of an accident than acid filled batteries ?  
   Just a few thoughts to add my 2p worth !
>Mike
> 
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>|        UK PPL and Glider Pilot                             |
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|        UK PPL and Glider Pilot                             |
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From: robert.brown@ssa.org (Robert Brown) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: CAMERA MOUNT ON LIBELLE
Date: 3 Jan 93 12:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: robert.brown@ssa.org (Robert Brown) 

Does anyone know of plans or recommendations for an external video
camera mount for a Libelle?  I would like to mount my small, <2lbs, Hi-8
video camera on the wing or elsewhere on my H-201 Libelle.  I have seen
footage and still shots of this aircraft that were obviously taken from
such a device.  I would really appreciate any help or advice anyone
might be able to give.
Bob Brown, RNGK85A Prodigy, R.Brown134 Genie, West Palm Beach, Florida
From: ludeman@astroatc.uucp (Weekend Pilot)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: 3Z Heads South for the Duration
Summary: Thanks everyone!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:32:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Astronautics Technology Cntr, Madison, WI

The Fault Line Flyers in Briggs, TX are going to gain a new member with a
weirdo vee-tailed tin bird as 3Z and I trundle down the highway this
weekend.  As of yet I have no clear cut way to regain .net.access for
sometime (and besides, I'll be too busy flying ;-) -- more likely I'll be
much too busy working my way into a new job), so this is jus' to say
'thanks' for all the interesting conversation and discussion.  

"Spoilers are for wimps"  (students and those unfamiliar with HP's: that's
a joke, okay?)

Later,

Evan Ludeman
HP-18 "3Z"
-- 
Evan Ludeman   
astroatc!ludeman@spool.cs.wisc.edu 
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From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Re: Powered gliders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:54:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.160557.26450@pony.Ingres.COM>, smc@Ingres.COM (Steve Chapman) writes...
> 
>	As we were sitting around between Xmas and the New Year a
>couple of us novices got talking about powered gliders, not the two seater
>tugs that are used for training with a propeller on the front, but true
>high performance sailplanes with a motor that is used for launch and
>then folded away later.
> 
>	Now the only model that we had seen that allowed this was the
>PIC 20, however that was years ago. This was as I recall constructed

There are a number of true high performance motor glider around, such as
the DG500M, (2 seat) the DG400M (single seat) etc.....  these have fold-away
engines behind the cockpit, and climb at around 400 - 500 fpm.  The DG500
is the 'normal' unpowered version, and its flight characteristics are similar
to the motorised version... the BIG problem is the cost... well, I dont
know anyone who is prepared to spend the 80,000 odd sterling pounds for
a DG500M for my birthday !!   

Then there is the Stemme 10... a high performance (about 50:1) motor glider
which has the engine behind the cockpit, but the prop is in a neat foldaway
"hub" near the nose... I think the nose cone moves forward to allow the
prop to unfold, and this aircraft also climbs at a similar rate to the
DG machines.

Then there is the Grob 109.... non-foldaway, with an engine on the front
but a variable pitch prop, and a fuel duration of around 11 hours....
it will cruise faster than a C150, and then the engine can be turned off
for soaring... not in the high performance category but a good touring
aircraft which can glide pretty well too !

I am sure there are others, but the names dont roll off the top of my
tongue ( or fingers in this case!) ... Happy New Year
Mike

> 
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|        Mike Cohler -  preferred email address:             |
|                       MDC1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK                 |
|                   ie  MDC1%VAXA.YORK.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET   |
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|        UK PPL and Glider Pilot                             |
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From: bozek@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Glider canopys
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:07:02 GMT

     The ASME student Chapter at the Univ. of Amherst-Mass is 
developing a solar car for competition in the Tour del Sol
and other races of this type. We would like to use a glider
canopy for for clarity of vision, aerodynamics, and weight 
considerations.
     The one company I know that makes canopies is 
Foxlite in Akron, Ohio. Adresses for this and any other glider
companies would be greatly appreciated. I will certainly contact
all companies that anyone forwards.

Thanks
dave

bozek@umaecs.edu
From: beerbohm@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Dirk Beerbohm)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Janus B for sale
Date: 4 Jan 1993 11:12:15 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Koblenz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: suk.uni-koblenz.de
Keywords: Janus B

Hello out there,

we have to sell a JANUS B glider. The plane is equiped as follows:

  - closed trailer
  - 720 channel comm. (Dittel FSG-40), 2x Altimeter,  
    2x mechanical climb indicator (Winter)
    2x speed indicator (Winter)
    2x compasses
    1x electronic climb indicator (Westerboer) with 
       facility for final glidepath calculation
       electronically compensated
    1x accu 12Volts
    1x removable tail wheel for ground operations

The plane has around 2300 take offs and landings and around 2000 hours.

The price is 80,000 DM (eighty thousands german marks) VB.
The plane stands on an airfield near of KOBLENZ or BONN.

For more informations email back.

Dirk

P.S.: If the email address below doesn't work use instead :

  beerbohm@informatik.uni-koblenz.de


    
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From: smc@Ingres.COM (Steve Chapman)
Subject: Powered gliders
Reply-To: smc@Ingres.COM (Steve Chapman)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:05:57 GMT


	As we were sitting around between Xmas and the New Year a
couple of us novices got talking about powered gliders, not the two seater
tugs that are used for training with a propeller on the front, but true
high performance sailplanes with a motor that is used for launch and
then folded away later.

	Now the only model that we had seen that allowed this was the
PIC 20, however that was years ago. This was as I recall constructed
with a petrol engine that folded out of the body on an arm vertically
out of the center of the fuselage. The question is has there been any
development in this area ?

	I guess the worst thing is that i.c. engines and gliding do
not really go together, (the idea of oil and fumes and noise and all
that stuff). However if you took something built like a ASK 21 (well I
did say we were novices) with only one seat then used the extra
payload for an electric motor and cells would this stand a chance ?
Seeing that my friend and I are only about 11.5 stone each and I would
think you could fly a 21 with two 16 stone people in, this would give
you an extra payload of close on 250-300lbs, which is quite a lot
considering current battery/motor technology. 

	We thought that 20HP for ten minutes would be enough to get
something like that up above 1000ft, plus giving you a little to use
if you got stuck later on. Which should be well attainable from the
above config, anybody else have any thoughts/info.

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From: gaynier@s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Ron Gaynier)
Subject: Visiting the USA 
Keywords: Vusiting San Francisco & Detroit 
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering,University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:08:57 GMT

Well its been awhile since I've posted anything, its summer down under
and I've been on vacation, but now I have something to post about so here
goes.

I'm going to be in San Francisco from the 28th of March until the 1st of
April to present a paper at ICNN and I would like to visit any nearby 
soaring sites. Then I'll be visiting family in the southeast corner of
Michigan (a little place called Flat Rock) the first and second week of
April and would like to visit any soaring sites there as well.

I know what kind of weather to expect in Michigan and realize it will be
early in the soaring season there, what should I expect in California?

I certainly would appreciate I'm any information the net-wisdom has to
offer.

Ron Gaynier
From: nikke.gaby@compart.fi (Nikke Gaby) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: PILOTE TRAINING SCHOOL
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ComPart BBS, Helsinki-Finland, +358 0 506 3329 (14 lines V.32bis)
Reply-To: nikke.gaby@compart.fi (Nikke Gaby) 

        Hi !

        I'd like to introduce myself : I'm a 25 years old student at the
        Helsinki University of Technology. (Finland)

        I got me Private Pilote Licence last summer in France where I
        was instructed on Robin DR-400, DR-300 and ATL by a former Navy
        Fouga-Magister instructor. Anyway, my interest on flying is
        growing everyday and I will graduate in the next future from the
        University.

        So, I'm looking for me and my brother Patrick a high caliber
        pilote training in a professional environment. We're searching
        full-time training and high quality education. We're certified
        physically fit and drug-free. We both have the Private Pilote
        Licence.

        What we want is that the institute, or academy is an FAA
        approved Part 141 Flight School and provides Certificates of
        Eligibility for Nonimmigrant (M-1 & I-20) Student Status or
        equivalent.

        If you know such a school that will provide us a Professional
        Multi-Engine Turbine Instrument Flight Degree, please live a
        message or send your proposition to the following address :

                                        Nicolas Gabriel-Robez
                                        Alalinnake 1 E 47
                                        02160 ESPOO
                                        Finland
                                        fax : (358-0) 425 940

        Thank you !
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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: American Spirit kit purchased
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:51:41

There has been some discussion here recently about
the American Spirit glider kit being offered by
Advanced Soaring Concepts of Camarillo CA.
In December, I put down the required %25 deposit 
on a Spirit kit; my projected shipping date is 
February 22.

Buying this 'new' of a kit is, of course, a gamble. 
However, I did enough research to convince myself 
that the risk is acceptable.  My preference would 
have been to wait until several owner-build Spirits 
were flying.  However, I was motivated to buy in '92
because ASC informed me that the price was going up
four thousand dollars in '93.  The price is now
$18,980 plus crating and shipping.

The introductory price of $14,980 was almost more 
than I was willing to pay for a kit.  I really want
to build a Spirit, and I don't think I could have 
gone for it at the higher price, so I took the plunge.
I regret that the price is so high, because it prohibits
many potential builders of this (hopefully) competitive
US-made Standard class ship.

ASC will have the Spirit prototype on display at the
SSA convention.  Also, Tor Jensen, president of ASC,
is giving a talk at the convention.

If there is sufficient interest I would be glad to
post what I have learned about the Spirit, and provide
the names a phone numbers of the two people (not employed
by ASC) that I have talked to about this kit.  One is a 
glider pilot and repairman who has flown the prototype,
the other is a professional airplane kit builder, both of
which have purchased Spirit kits.


jeff

feitctaj
From: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: 3Z HEADS SOUTH FOR THE DU
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 



-> ludeman@astroatc.uucp (Weekend Pilot)  writes
-> highway this weekend.  As of yet I have no clear cut way to regain
-> .net.access for sometime (and besides, I'll be too busy flying ;-) --


As long as you have a computer and modem, you can get access to
rec.aviation.* and email via the new BBS of the Soaring Society of
America.  (513)-871-7720

                                                Guy Ford Byars 11
                                                                                             
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Glider Handicapping Info request
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:18:00 GMT

Does anyone have to hand the details of the glider handicapping system ?
ie the handicap numbers for each glider type, and how they are applied
in competitions etc.... I am thinking at the moment about the UK 100 km
diploma, which has a certificate for doing 100 km as a triangle, but it
has to be done at a "handicapped" speed of 60km per hour... and I dont know
how to get the "actual" speed required to achieve this ///

Thanks for any help.... email or to the net.
Mike

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|        Mike Cohler -  preferred email address:             |
|                       MDC1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK                 |
|                   ie  MDC1%VAXA.YORK.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET   |
|                                                            |
|        UK PPL and Glider Pilot                             |
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