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From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:44:39 GMT
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Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA

In article <33757@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

   When in-line folks show up at the rink, you often see the same kind of
   problems as with other beginners or learing skaters.  Walking around the
   rink, legs spread or not returning to center, rocking from side to side
   and more obvious with in-lines, loose boots flopping around the ankles.

Probably because most proficient inliners I know don't venture
indoors...with miles of bike trials, roads and so forth going in
circles is somehow less exciting.  Plus there are no hills...

Most inliners I see indoors are either people who have rented inline
skates to try them out or people dragged along to skate indoors by
thier quad friends...more often than not you're not allowed to use
your own skates and rink skates are...well...rink skates.  I've also
noticed that my inlines are quite a bit slower indoors than out...
which probably means that for indoor work I want much harder wheels or
something.

   As far as mechanical efficiency, there should be no real problem with
   the in-lines, but if they are not set up with rockered wheels, any arc
   involves a dragging component (relative of the individual wheel contact
   patch not normal to the axle).  This means that in-lines either have to
   work on the turns or cope with walking straight segments with cross-overs
   like ice speed skates.

This doesn't sound right.  When I tilt my skate it turns on it's
own...when I practice crossovers one of the drills is to not lift the
crossing foot (well...whatever the outside one is called).  This
doesn't seem to jibe with "walking straight segments".  Having never
on ice speed skates I can't tell you what the similarities might or
might not be.  BTW:  My skates are 4 wheel and not rockered.

Of course I haven't skated since late May so I may have forgotten
something.  Bummer...missing out on all the sun and I'll have to
relearn all the skills I started working on in the spring.

[rest deleted]

   -- 
   George Robbins 

Nigel
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: spins
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:18:13 GMT
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In-reply-to: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu's message of 28 Jul 92 15:40:40 GMT


>If you are outdoors, focusing on the horizon is a good substitute.
>This tends to keep the head vertical and keeps it from swaying.

Maybe in parts of the midwest... :'>

			       _MelloN_
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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: skating barefoot
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:20:14 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN

Yes, I skate barefoot!!  I didn't always, but when I was
doing ice shows, I came across several people who never
wore socks (the girls actually cut the feet out of their 
fish-nets). I tried it, and found I had a much better feel
for the ice, and my feet didn't get as tired being in
skates for long periods.  Of course, having skates that fit
like a glove is important if you`re going to do this!

- Cam 
From: shalese@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Shalese Huang)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:31:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Previous posting requested about Costco selling skates
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skate

>/ hpcc01:rec.skate / lesb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Les Brabetz) /  9:34 am  Jul 20, 1992 /
>
>Greetings Ray
>
>   I too have been watching the prices for some new skates. Our Costco
>in Santa Rosa does have Cool-Blades for $179. NOw, if they would just
>sell Aeros for the same kind of price drop!

Courtesy Sports at Los Altos sells Cool-Blades and they will match any
price nationwide. I bought a pair of Aeroblades from them 2 weeks ago
with the price quote from Northland Ice Skating in Cincinnati, Ohio:
$265. 

Shalese Huang
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: About that race in Tacoma
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Jul7.052815.1899@iat.holonet.net> kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
> My friend Jeff and I did the crazy thing and drove up to Tocoma Washington
> for a 10K race this 4th of July weekend.  I say crazy because we drove up
> from Berkeley (12 hours).  And as it turns out, the whole trip rated pretty
> high on the minor disaster scale.
> 
> This was an IISA sponsored event, but I don't blame IISA for what happened
> or what could have happened.

I would really suggest sending as temperate a letter as you can manage to
the IISA pointing out that the promoter of an IISA sponsored event hadn't
taken adequate steps for safety and medical emergency provision.

Point out that in a number of venues, they would certainly be named in a
damage suit in case of serious (or spurious) injury and it is to their
advantage to set out guidelines and provide some oversight whenver their
name is to be referenced.

-- 
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:22:39 GMT
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Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
In-reply-to: kimon@iat.holonet.net's message of 23 Jul 92 03:02:30 GMT


Why don't you send them a polite letter explaining what you didn't
like about the presentation, and what you'd rather see?   Believe it
or not, they will probably listen.   Rollerblading is becoming a very
popular sport, and they can't be blind to that fact.

			       _MelloN_
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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.kalinowitsch)
Subject: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:11:41 GMT
Keywords: rotate cheesecake population

Anybody out there besides me actually _prefer_ worn wheels to new (or
newly-rotated) ones?  I let my first set wear quite a bit before rotating
them; my first skate afterwards seemed _much_ more difficult, even 
accounting for my "adjusting" to the new, non-worn wheels.  Seems I
can't get nearly as much speed or power now, whereas I was really 
getting comfortable/good with my "broken-in" wheels.  

andy
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: questions...
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:54:01
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: rberteig@cco.caltech.edu's message of Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:57:00 GMT


In article <1992Jul31.005700.3569@cco.caltech.edu> rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig) writes:


   I've been lurking here for a little while, but finally decided to post.  I
   remember how much fun it was to rollerskate when I was a kid and teenager, and
   am thinking about starting it again.  So I have some questions!

   First off, I'm 28, not in great shape (I'd like to lose over 100 lbs.), but do
   exercise occasionally.  I have weak ankles (always sprain them a lot).  What I
   would like to know is what type of skates should I get?  In-lines or the "old-
   fashioned" type?  I'd probably skate on sidewalks and the edges of the streets
   in my neighborhood.  What's the best way to get started?  I'm nervous about 
   falling.  But I do remember how much fun it was...

Well depends on what you want to do eventually, but of course you
probably do not know yet so..

I suggest bootstrapping yourself. Check out different skating venues.
Try on a pair of rental skates at a rink. Try out some inlines (at a
rink perhaps) and see if in *fact* your ankles will be giving you
trouble. You may be surprised! But please be careful on size
selection as a wrong fitting boot will give you bad impressions.

   Oh also, I have huge feet for a girl and would have to probably get men's
   skates, since I'm sure they don't make them in my size.  Does that make any
   difference?
 
I do not think your foot size should be a problem. I know some
large-footed women skaters. If you decide which venue you like and get
the equipment for that venue, boot size should never be an issue as you
can always find a combination that allows for custom boots.

   Anyway, I thought this would be a fun way to start into some exercise.  I'd
   really appreciate any input.  Please e-mail me at rberteig@alumni.caltech.edu
   (I use my husband's account).  Thank you!

It is fun. Part of your choice in what you do with you skating is a
function of what turns (or will turn) you on. For some it is speed.
For others it is the exercise and conditioning. For me it is body
experssion (kinesthetic aesthetics) to music - the look of great
movements done effortlessly. (And secondarily exercise and
conditioning.)


Dancing the night away on skates,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com


Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: hall@mars.cs.umbc.edu (Marty Hall)
Subject: Re: spins
Organization: AAI Corp AI Lab, UMBC CS Department
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:02:53 GMT

In article <ABOULANG.92Jul27124846@tiryns.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>In article <shkm7=m.paulw@netcom.com> paulw@netcom.com (Paul L. Williams) 
writes:
[...]
>     3.  Fortunately, there is one "skill" that I DID NOT have to re-master.
>	 When I first began working on spins, after I would make twenty or
>	 thirty repeated attempts during a session, I would be both dizzy
>	 and sick.  However, after a while my body got used to world
>         spinning wildly about, and it never bothered me again.
>
>One trick I found was to do a mild spin in the other rotational
>direction if you feel dizzy. 
[...]

Are there any other "tricks"? It doesn't take much to make me dizzy, and
now that I am starting (starting only :-) to get the hang of heel-toe
spins (on in-lines), the dizziness *really* wipes me out. Perhaps my body
will adjust, but anything to ease the transition in the meantime would be
great. Albert: what happens to those of us who can only do spins one
direction? How much of a counter-spin does it take to help?
From: mpeters@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: San Diego skating places.
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: mpeters@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Distribution: usa
Organization: WIN Dataplus Services WTC-1 - Dayton, OH

An earlier post was asking for places to skate in the San Diego area.
Last November I enjoyed skating at Mission Bay on the walk along the beach
and at Lake Mirimar (sp?).  The lake has a loop going around the lake with
lots of turns (nice for crossovers) and its about 5mi. around.  Lots of
bikes and skaters.  Not many cars drive on this road because automobile
traffic is not allowed to travel the entire loop.  I believe there are signs
on I-15 just north og San Diego.  It is located right next to the city
of Scripps Ranch.  The lake is a good place for a workout, but Mission Bay
is nice for a leisurely skate.
-- 
Mike Peters

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From: rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: 19 Jul 92 09:08:29 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ABC ran an event called the Rolleriad (or was it Rollerium?) Saturday
afternoon on Wide World of Sports.  Held at Universal Studios in Florida, it
featured Team Rollerblade in speed and slalom competitions against members
of the U.S. Olympic Gymnastics, Skiing, and Figure Skating teams.

I only got to see a small piece of the competition, but in the Women's
Slalom, the figure skaters took the top three times (in two-person heats),
beating the skiers and members of Team Rollerblade!

Did anyone get the full results from this event?

           
   Rachel McGregor (rogue@cellar.org) - research contractor, modem junkie
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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: spins
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:40:40 GMT

In <ABOULANG.92Jul27183810@kariba.bbn.com> aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger) writes:


>In article <1992Jul27.190253.591@umbc3.umbc.edu> hall@mars.cs.umbc.edu (Marty Hall) writes:


>Here are some more tips. One can do what dancers do and "spot" a
>specific location. One keeps their eyes trained on a specific spot as
>long as possible until one unspots and respots evey rev. I never did

In ice skating spins spotting has been discouraged by my coaches, who have
had very good ballet training. I'm not sure the reason but I think it
tends to make the spins uneven  and unstable. One good trick I found
is to focus on a certain line that runs all the way around the
rink. A good spot is the top of the barrier or the base. As I spin I
try to keep these lines at the same level in my field of vision. Everything
else gets blurry, but I will see this line as I spin. If you are outdoors,
focusing on the horizon is a good substitute. This tends to keep the
head vertical and keeps it from swaying.

I have also found that travelling on the ice or floor tends to cause me
to be dizzy. I think it is because my head is weaving in and out and
the brain, balancing mechanism in the ears, and the eyes have a hard
time stablizing. When I spin in one spot I don't get as dizzy. Also
just  a lot of practice spinning decreases the dizziness because
the brain and body adjusts.


-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: crawford@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ellen Crawford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:41:15 GMT
Subject: Olympic Roller Hockey
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Anyone out there know how the Olympic Roller Hockey is going?

How did the US do against Japan?

Has anyone seen any television/newspaper coverage?
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <ABOULANG.92Jul29110313@kariba.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
> 
> In article <33757@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> 
>    The other factor is that with a good in-line skater (should you be so
>    lucky as to encounter one), once the novelty factor wears off, you
>    simply cease to note that they are skating on in-lines!
> 
> 
> Now, now George...
> To be objective, I have to disagree. The inline style, no matter how
> good, is different than quads. The major difference is that inlines
> encourage a more "open" style of skating because of their turning
> characteristics. "Open" is a term that means that the skater has the
> body open during turns, etc as opposed to more "closed-in". The major
> reason is the turning arcs are different in inlines. I remember some
> discussion of mixed inline-quad roller hockey and the observation that
> the inline players were able to do their thing and the quads their own
> and it was hard to do one-on-one with an inline and a quad. They are
> different equipment and encourage a different style of skating.

I think we're just talking matter of degree here.  Your "more open"
reflects a greater refinement of observation than I'm qualified to
indulge in.

For me, there's a difference between seeing a skater with in-lines hobbling
around and one where I'm skating around and chance to look down and think
"oh, in-lines"...

As for the hockey issue, I don't know.  The few games of roller hockey I've
played were mixed, some guys on speed skates, some with figure skates and
some with in-lines.  The best player was a small teen-age(?) guy on speed
skates.  The better players were on figure skates, some partially laced and
some kids had in-lines.  The worst player was me, so I can hardly draw
conclusions from this.

As to why in-lines might make better skates,  the difference might be the
the ability to "stand on" a wheel or thrust sideways at any angle.  Those
nice pivoting trucks of ours want to pivot into a sharp curve or bottom
out under these conditions.  I have a book that shows pre-inline roller
hockey skates as used in international play (apparently a euro-thing) -
they look like heavy-duty outdoor skates, with high-top boots that only
have eyelets/hooks halfway up and a massive fixed toe-stop.  Presumably
there is quite a bit of lunging off the toes or other activity to justify
such a huge stop...

>                                                   Now I
> will not pontificate on which style is better ;-).

Of course not  8-)

-- 
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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:24:57
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com's message of 31 Jul 92 07:30:23 GMT

In article <33852@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

   Obviously, this might seem to lead to the conclusion that 2-wheeled
   in-lines should be "faster" than 4 or 5 wheeled versions, at least
   indoors.  Since this appears not to be the case, one needs to look at
   other factors.  Softer "outdoor" wheels might be a factor, since
   deformation from a cylinder is one of main components of rolling 
   friction for "rubber" wheels.  Here, the smaller contact patch of the
   in-line wheels is going to lead to more deformation (especially over
   fewer wheels).  Going to a harder wheel might compensate, but you
   might end up with something too slippery for survival.


They did make two-wheeled inlines at one time. One brand was called
Biskates. Does anybody have real experience with these early-modern
version of inlines?


Interested in skating history,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
From: ndliles@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:41:29 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

In article <33757@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <8eR49iS00WCsA22VpA@andrew.cmu.edu> jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
>> 
	Bullshit deleted
 
>> At this rink there are people that do blade but they seem to be working
>> there asses off to keep going. Is this because of the wooden floor and
>> the softer wheels on blades or is there another reason? I would like to
>> know if it is possible. Thanks.
> 
> I think the biggest reason is simply that the bladers you see at rinks
> are generally not very proficient.  Skating with real ease, efficiency
> and confidence whatever the medium seems to require at least a hundred
> hours (or two) on skates, be it a year of sessions or whatever (luckily
> it's plenty fun getting there!)

	Well George ya stepped in it again. The reason bladers are slow
at the rink (even good ones) has everything to do with bearings, the way
you have your skates rockered, and ability. I wish you would go out and
get a pair yourself and get first hand experience instead of trying to
speculate on every aspect of roller blading.
	Rocker affects your speed due to the amount of friction on each
individual bearing on the skate. In other words if you have more wheels
on the floor, the less friction on each bearing and the more speed. How-
ever if the front wheel is not higher than the others you will have
problems with the skating motion notably your stride and crossing over.
No speed skater could ever skate like a hockey player for that reason.
 
	More bullshit deleted
 
> As far as mechanical efficiency, there should be no real problem with
> the in-lines, but if they are not set up with rockered wheels, any arc
> involves a dragging component (relative of the individual wheel contact
> patch not normal to the axle).  This means that in-lines either have to
> work on the turns or cope with walking straight segments with cross-overs
> like ice speed skates.

	The above should be deleted or at least ignored.
 
> The other factor is that with a good in-line skater (should you be so
> lucky as to encounter one), once the novelty factor wears off, you
> simply cease to note that they are skating on in-lines!

Nice try George. Skating on in lines is nothing like quads. Stick with
what you know about and stop arguing about what you don't.

> 
> -- 
> George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
> but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
> Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)

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