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From: dvb@eis.com (David Van Beveren)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: What's new in R6?
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:13:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Emerald Isle Systems, Ltd.

Date: 28 Aug 92 17:53:24 GMT
Message-Id: <BtpGD1.qx@eis.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

stolcke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) writes:
: And don't forget the upcoming Consortium Standards for olfactory and tactile
: *output* devices. -:)

I have been feeling ANSI ever since I heard about this new tactile
output device standard.

If you don't get it, never mind.
-- 
David Van Beveren                          e-mail: dvb@eis.com
Consulting Engineer
EIS Ltd. Professional Software Services 
        "The opinions presented ARE those of Emerald Isle Systems!"
From: tmod@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: SCO and XServer problems
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:35:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University College Dublin

Date: 27 Aug 92 14:45:11 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.144511.49564@ccvax.ucd.ie>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


 Help!,
                   
	I have SCO sysv3.2.2 and I am trying to run my X386 server without
 success. During compilation I got errors with writev , setitimer and now 
 when I try to run clients I get 
	fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument)on Xserver after 'n' requests
 with 0 events remaining

 When I try to run X386 I get
        Fatal server error
		Cannot open /dev/vt00 (/dev/vc00)

 But I don't have any /dev/vt##s on my system !! Should I create them ?
 How? Surely I'm doing something simple wrong ?!?!?!? I'm desperate !

 Can any good soul advise a lost sheep ???

			Thanks,
				Terence O'Donnell
			e-mail: tmod@ccvax.ucd.ie or 
				paulk@elecmag3.ucd.ie
From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 and gcc 2.1, SunOS 4.1.1
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:19:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.

Date: 27 Aug 92 19:48:57 GMT
Message-Id: <4919@news.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

can I compile X11R5 (with fixes 1-17 applied) using gcc 2.1 under
SunOS 4.1.1? I have *not* installed the ld patch referred to
in sun.cf:


/* You ALSO need this if you have Sun ld patch 100170-06 or later to 4.1.1 */
#if OSMajorVersion == 4 && (OSMinorVersion > 1 || (OSMinorVersion == 1 && OSTeenyVersion > 1))
#define SunPost411FCSLd   YES
#endif


when I try to make the shared libraries, I get a lot of

ld: assert pure-text failed

errors. I've applied the patches for X11 that came with gcc, and
I think everything else is set up right.

Sun 4/280, vanilla SunOS 4.1.1, gcc 2.1, R5 with fixes 1-17

-- 
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: tina@csi.on.ca (Tina Klein)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:27:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:49:28 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.124928.28994@csi.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

Keep the coffee on the right and the mouse on the left and you'll never have a 
space problem.

I have a corner workstation-desk-thing.  Mouse, keyboard, coffee.

Manuals on the left. 

WIP on the right.
-- 
Tina Klein, Technical Writer           CAnet: tina@csi.on.ca
CSI, 600 Terry Fox Drive - Suite 200   Phone: (613) 592-5780
Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2L 4B6        Fax:   (613) 592-0584
From: sledge@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Bueschgens)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: help with xtex on SYSVR3.2  (ISC) X11R4
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:33:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen

Date: 31 Aug 92 19:46:52 GMT
Message-Id: <sledge.715290412@kaa>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello out there,

have a problem while tryin' to compile Xtex on my 486-Box. Just managed to compile the hole stuff when I run into trouble linking it.


>       undefined                     first referenced
>       symbol                             in file
>      S_ISDIR                             file.o
>      wait3                               mark.o
>ld fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xtex
>*** Error code 1

Has anyone managed it to compile and to link Xtex on SYSVR3.2?
If so, please send me an email, cause I'll like to see the real differences between Xtex and XDVI.

Thanks for _ANY_ help

    Thomas
From: sinan@mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Motif Numbers
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:15:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 09:38:46 PDT
Message-Id: <9208251638.AA18689@mtesol>


> From nazgul@alfalfa.com Mon Aug 24 22:48:20 1992
> To: sinan@Mtesol (Sinan Karasu)
> Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, openlook@uunet.UU.NET, motif@alfalfa.com
> Subject: Re: Motif Numbers
> X-Mailer: Poste 2.1B1
> From: nazgul@alfalfa.com (Kee Hinckley)
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 00:40:44 -0400
> Encoding: 23 TEXT, 4 TEXT SIGNATURE
> Content-Length: 1222
> 
> > 
> >  Boy am I confused.
> >  We just received a circular from Bluestone that claims "Nearly 90% of the 
> > workstation market , and 60% of the Sun market run Motif."
> I would assume that means "90% of the non-Sun workstation market".  Of course
> measuring marketshare is not as easy as it might seem.
If that is the case then since after subracting 330,000 from 500,000
(they claim 60% of 550,000 Suns run Motif) then 90% of non-Sun workstations
is 170,000 which puts Non-Sun numbers to about 190,000. Hardly a credible
number.Particularly considering about 200,000 Non-Motif Apollo machines
out there. Sorry that does not explain it.
> 
> > come from ? Does any of the vendors have the right to distribute
> > Motif without licensing ?
> I believe so.
Which ones?
> 
> 
> > right no matter what I try !! What is the actual Installed base for Motif 
> > and for OpenLook? I need these numbers since I am trying to ascertain 
> > the future direction of GUI world ( i.e. is it Motif? OpenLook?
> > Microsoft NT, Bitmap oriented or DisplayPostScript? Something 
> > we haven't heard of yet?). What am I missing?
> Well, it depends a lot on the market you are talking about of course, and I
> won't even attempt to get into the NT vs. Unix wars (again).  However I think
> you can fairly say that most non-Sun workstations are not running OpenLook
> applications, and that a fair percentage of Sun workstations are running at
What about the desktop applications?
> least some Motif applications.  Is that bland enough to sound real?
So does that mean that a Sun running a Motif application under OpenWindows 
automatically become a Motif Sun workstation?
 
> nazgul@alfalfa.com
> 617/646-7703 voice/fax
> 
> If Unix is the answer, then we've clearly forgotten the question.
> 
Sorry. It still does not sound bland enough.
Sinan
From: quandt@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 sparc
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:51:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:43:31 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug29.164331.21968@umr.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Please excuse this probable FAQ.  I did look in the faq list but did not
find the answer (strange probably missed it)

Where might I find X11R5 binaries fgor a sun Sparc (4.1)?
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 25 Aug 92 01:33:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

Date: 24 Aug 92 15:18:46 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <1992Aug21.182548.2932@nntp.uoregon.edu> johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) writes:
> For kicks sometime, take a person who is used to a CLI and put them on a Mac.
> I guarantee that they will not be able to do *anything* useful until they have
> either read the manual or experimented a lot.

To put it bluntly, this is complete balderdash. Take me, for example. I'd been
using CLI based systems for 10 years when the Xerox Star office system came
out, and I was able to use it within minutes. GOOD GUIs *are* easier to use.
BAD GUIs suck dirty canal water.

The Mac GUI is a moderately good one. It used to be quite good (though not up
to the quality of the Star), but it's grown a *lot* of chrome in the past 6 or
so years.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
$ EDIT/TECO LOVE                                              'U` 
%TECO-W-OLDJOKE Not war?                        Have you hugged your wolf today?
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.      Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012       +1 713 274 5180
From: westhawk!thp@scslwide.sony.co.jp (Timothy H Panton.)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: What's new in R6?
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:18:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:18:50 BST
Message-Id: <9209011018.AA18381@westhawk.uucp>



> Mr. Kilgard: It's responses like yours that help to support my belief
> that software will always cost many times that of the hardware that 
> supports it. I have added you to my list of non-informants.

And I've added you to my list of people without a sense of humour.
- Ok so he should have put :-) :-) all over it.

The deal in the X world is that if you want inside information on
the consortium's plans then you should pay the membership fee.
(mail rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu if you are serious). The rest of us
just have to wait and see.

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From: joerg@iiasa.ac.at (Joerg  MESSER)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: What is APT?
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:18:31 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:10:04 GMT
Message-Id: <joerg.714816604@iiasa>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


  Could someone enlighten me on what APT (Advanced Programming Toolkit??)
might be?

-- 
                    Joerg Messer  |
         International Institute  | Email: joerg@iiasa.ac.at
     for Applied System Analysis  | Phone: +43 02236 71 5210  
       A-2361 Laxenburg, Austria  |   Fax: +43 02236 71 313
From: fct@swlvx2.msd.ray.com (Fred Thompson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Looking for barcode fonts
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:33:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:35:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.163551.28891@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

A user here is looking for some barcode fonts (.snf preferred), so that they 
can output barcodes to the windows. Anyone seen anything like this?
-- 
Fred Thompson,   ...!ulowell!swlvx2!fct  or  fct@swlvx2.msd.ray.com
Raytheon Co,     Missile Systems Division, Tewksbury, Mass. 01876
From: mm@risc3.mi.uni-koeln.de (Martin Malich)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: how to implement slow calback routines ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:54:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Universit"at zu K"oln

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:52:58 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.065258.161670@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


The following code can be used to wait until a specific widget
is displayed on the screen.

Call ForceWidget(msgbox) to solve your problem.



void ForceDialog(Widget w)
{
  Widget diashell, topshell;
  Window diawindow, topwindow;
  Display *dpy;
  XWindowAttributes xwa;
  XEvent event;
  XtAppContext cxt;

/* Locate the shell we are interested in.  In a particular instance,
you
 * may know these shells already.
 */

  for (diashell = w;
       !XtIsShell(diashell);
       diashell = XtParent(diashell))
    ;

/* Locate its primary window's shell (which may be the same) */

  for (topshell = diashell;
       !XtIsTopLevelShell(topshell);
       topshell = XtParent(topshell))
    ;

  if (XtIsRealized(diashell) && XtIsRealized(topshell)) {
    dpy = XtDisplay(topshell);
    diawindow = XtWindow(diashell);
    topwindow = XtWindow(topshell);
    cxt = XtWidgetToApplicationContext(diashell);

/* Wait for the dialog to be mapped.  It's guaranteed to become so
unless... */

    while (XGetWindowAttributes(dpy, diawindow, &xwa),
           xwa.map_state != IsViewable) {

/* ...if the primary is (or becomes) unviewable or unmapped, it's
   probably iconified, and nothing will happen. */

      if (XGetWindowAttributes(dpy, topwindow, &xwa),
          xwa.map_state != IsViewable)
        break;

/* At this stage, we are guaranteed there will be an event of some
kind.
   Beware; we are presumably in a callback, so this can recurse. */

      XtAppNextEvent(cxt, &event);
      XtDispatchEvent(&event);
    }
  }
/* The next XSync() will get an expose event if the dialog was
unmapped. */

  XmUpdateDisplay(topshell);
}



hope this will help.




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Martin Malich (mm@risc3.mi.uni-koeln.de)

Universit"at zu K"oln
Mathematisches Institut
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Weyertal 86-90
5000 K"oln 41
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From: aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Xauthority file
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:19:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Koch Research Labs

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:01:57 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug29.030157@nt1l.krl.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <BtpxEv.47n@agora.rain.com>, bobb@agora.rain.com (Bob Beauchemin) writes:
>   If XDM creates the .Xauthority file in the user's home directory at
> login time, then this file exists on the machine that runs XDM (call this
> Host A). The .Xauthority file is only readable by the user.
>   Now, that user wishes to rlogin to another machine (Host B) and run
> program FOO. The Xau library is linked with program FOO on Host B. The FOO
> program is supposed to read the magic cookie from the .Xauthority file and
> present it to the server for verification.
>   But the FOO program (Host B) is using Xau, which does fread(). The
> .Xauthority file is on Host A. How is this accomplished without the use of
> NFS? Or is NFS a strict requirement?

Nope.  You can use (from the man page):

xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh B xauth merge -

where B is the name of host B.  (RTFMP? :-)
-- 
Don Koch
aardvark@nt1l.krl.com
From: wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO))
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xdvi character colour problem
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:53:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

Date: 2 Sep 92 07:32:53 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.073253.9835@fwi.uva.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.windows.x

Since a few weeks, something strange happens when I use xdvi (Sun4 X11R5
binary) to view my .dvi files on our RS/6000 (we have not ported xdvi to
our RS/6000, that's why we use the Sun4 version). I think this problem is
eitehr caused by the upgrade from X11R4 to X11R5, or by the upgrade of
xdvi to patchlevel 15. Anyway, xdvi has been built on July 13 1992.

The problem is this:
All character are shown in reverse video. Its not the -rv option, since
the paper itself is white, as it should be. The characters are drawn as
a white symbol on a small black square.
However, everything's okay on a zoomed or 'Shrink 1' piece of text.
And of course, no problems at all if I display on a Sun4...
And even more funny: 
'xdvi -fg red' Gives me a black-and-white image, but the above problem
has gone. The characters turn red if I zoom or Shrink1.
'xdvi -fg white' Results in a Segmentation fault.
'xdvi -fg black' Gives the reverse video characters.
'xdvi -fg gray10' Gives me outline (!) characters (which they shouldn't be).

So, Sun4 X11R5 xdvi patchlevel 15 gives nothing but trouble when
displayed on an X11R3 RS/6000 model 730.

Does anybody know what is going on here?

Marcel.
-- 
 X	   Marcel Wijkstra   AIO   (wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl)
|X|	     Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science	
 X	       University of Amsterdam   The Netherlands
======Life stinks. Fortunately, I've got a cold.========
From: idacrd!declerck@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Michael Declerck)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problem with R5 server on Sun 4/380C
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:48:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research

Date: 28 Aug 92 16:21:11 GMT
Message-Id: <1586@idacrd.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I have just recently installed X11R5 (patches 1-16) on a network
of Suns.  Unfortunately, it works fine on all of the suns on the
network except two.  They are both 4/380C's.  The problem is
that when the server comes up it refuses to recognize that it
has a color frame buffer and displays everthing in black and white.
If anyone has seen and fixed this problem please let me know via
e-mail.  Thanks in advance for any help.

Michael Declerck
declerck@ccr-p.ida.org
From: bingcros@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Crosby)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: 3D Athena Widgets, where are they?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:32:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Date: 31 Aug 92 23:51:08 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.235108.21725@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.intrinsics

A little while back someone announced the existence of at 3D Athena
widget set and where you could get it.  Could someone please e-mail
me the information on how to get the widget set at either or both
rich@codedogs.com or bingcros@leland.stanford.edu?  Thanks...

Rich
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:06:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Mount Holyoke College

Date: 31 Aug 92 18:24:12 GMT
Message-Id: <Btv1sC.79B@mtholyoke.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <YANDROS.92Aug30173448@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU> yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) writes:
>Not that I'm registering a preference but it's my understanding that
>the Motif UI was designed pretty carefully to comply with things like
>IBM's CUA, etc.

IBM's what?

>Personally, I despise OpenLook, just by taste, and find Motif to be
>too underpowered, overburdened, and undercustomizable to be useable on
>a real machine (maybe my desktop Alpha-connection machine will solve
>this ;-).  NeXTStep is very pretty, and has a nice fel, but isn't
>customizable enough; and System 7 is similar.  Never used NeWS.

I've never quite been able to figure out what exactly NeWS is... I
know it stands for Network Extensible Windowing System and that it's
based on Postscript, but I don't think I've ever seen a machine
running it by itself.  But that brings me to a GUI you forgot to
mention... "Open Windows".  Barf!!!  This has got to be the worst of
the bunch!  It takes the "3-D feel" to absolutely arbitrary extremes,
violates every rule in the book, and is a bear to boot (it's slow on a
Sparchstation 2, a mid-20s Specmarks machine... I have no idea how
they managed that.)  What's worst, I bet the people who wrote it a
proud of themselves and that they thought: ``We can do a better job
than all those so called Human Factors people.''

>All in all, I have to agree with you here:
>
>> I don't think _any_ of them are at the point at which I'd say `If
>> computer development stopped here it'd be OK'.
>
Me three!  We're not even close!
--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
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From: ravi@wwtc.timeplex.com (ravikumar)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: How to add callback to a bitmap ??
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:45:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:10:40 PDT
Message-Id: <9208281710.AA18748@wwtc.timeplex.com>


Hi ,

	I am displaying a complex bitmap with lots of small circles and rectangles. I want
to popup different menus in each of these circles and rectangles when the user clicks
on them. 
	How do I go about it. A rough procedural hint would help
thanks
ravi
From: reed@snake.tc.cornell.edu (Michael G. Reed)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xrn 6.17 domain problem
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:11:55 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Cornell National Supercomputing Facility

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:07:05 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.200705.23816@tc.cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

It also helps if your sysadmin would put decent defaults in when they build xrn.
Take a look at the header file and adjust it accordingly before the build, that
way the users don't need to specify any extra variables...

-Michael

In article <1992Aug26.165217.28259@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> yes this is an easy one to solve - you need an environment variable called
|> DOMAIN set to a string like ".dec.com" or somesuch.  It needs to be able to be
|> directly concatenated to your hostname as understood by the mailer.  Also,
|> I've found it's a good idea to have the variable ORGANIZATION defined too.
|> 
|> -- 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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|> Department of Physics & Astronomy		  uk1@spacsun.rice.edu
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|> Tempe, AZ 85287-1504			FAX:      (602) 965-7954
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