HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Things I'd Like to See in Think Pasal
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:09:05 GMT

In <peter-270792171254@134.7.50.3>, Peter Lewis sets out his wish list
for TP version 5.0:

>fixing the editor bugs that have been around since THINK Pascal 3
>  such as the wayward outlining leaving trails, or the really
>  fun disappearing begin's

  I'd rather have an external editor... I just discovered Alpha this
  weekend and would _really_ like to have it integrated with TP.

>larger that 64k structures and more that 64k globals.
>structured constants such as those available in Turbo Pascal

  Definitely

>multiple errors detected per compile

  This raises the "old man falls down the stairs" problem; it would be
  nice, but to me it's not that important.

>warnings for unsued variables, or functions with no return value
>nested comments would be nice, and multiline comments as well
>An option for relaxed string range checking
>Range Checking code that did sensible things in compiled apps (instead of 
>  bombing on machines without macsbug and doing nothing on machines with 
>  macsbug - great for debugging )-:
>Better control of break points such a break if x<0 etc

  Enthusiastically seconded. It looks as though you're right in saying
that Symantec is devoting more of their time and money to TC. It's a
shame, too.





-- 
Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG          | I shouldn't bitch / I shouldn't cry
robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov   | I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.


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From: K360171@ALIJKU11.BITNET (Norbert Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Quadra (950?) Color QuickDraw bug ???
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:01:46 GMT
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center

I just discovered a very unusual behavior in a program I am writing.
I have only been able to reproduce it on the Q950, the bug (?) does
not occur on a IIci. No other machines have been tested so far.

The scenario: In my application I create a (large) picture consisting
of mainly MoveTo, LineTo, FrameOval, TextSize, RGBForeColor,
and DrawString. (TextMode is SrcOr)
 This picture is scaled to an offscreen pixmap via DrawPicture, to
achieve zooming. The pixmap (belonging to a GWorld) is copied to
the window GrafPort. Everything works fine except:
At some combinations of color/font/font-size and the zooming ratio
used in the DrawPicture command the text disappears on the screen.
It is in the original picture, which I can verify via exporting to
 the clipboard.
This never happens for black text. The loss occurs during the
DrawPicture call. The picture prints Ok (DrawPicture to the printer
GrafPort). The problem occur only in 8-bit mode, lower resolutions
and 16-bit are Ok (screen depth = offscreen depth).
 Only for the text some colors seem to map to
black or white exclusively, when a small reduction is requested.
(i.e. the destrect is less then 1/4 of the srcrect in DrawPicture)
Well maybe its a feature - something like dithering scaled text.
But the way it works is pretty useless and it breaks my
program.

 Same problem in 8bit gray.
Ha! I just noticed another "feature" switching to Thousands (i.e.
16-bit) Grays - does not change the monitor to grays. The colors
change a little, but even the Finder icons remain colored! Only
the menubar is b/w.

Additional info: I am using an Apple 21" monitor on the Q950.

 Has anybody seen a similar behavior? Is it a known bug?
Whom should I tell to get a fix?


N. Mueller
 Institute of Chemistry, Johannes Kepler University, A-4040 Linz, Austria
From: mlanett@Apple.COM (Mark Lanett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: >.tar .Z formats?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:36:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:

>I have been having problems with the european ftp sites.

>I keep finding files in the .tar .Z or .tar.Z formats.

>What utilites are used to make these compressions and where can I find them?

These are unix file formats. if you are on a unix box...
foo.tar:	tar xf foo.tar
foo.Z:		uncompress foo.Z
foo.tar.Z	(both above or...)
		zcat foo.tar.Z | uncompress

There are Mac tar and compress utilities on your favorite ftp server (like
sumex, info-mac/util). Look for MacCompress and "Macintosh Tar".
-- 
Have a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks.
Mark Lanett, NOT speaking for apple. Personal opinion only.
From: mlanett@Apple.COM (Mark Lanett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: And what about this DogCow business ? ( moof! )
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:32:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jonesr2@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Kazrak) writes:

>Alright, I've been through the stack, I've done the stuff to find Clarus...
>but...all I got were blank windows!  TN 31 wasn't in my TN Stack!  (As in, I
>got the series of three windows that say MooF1, MooF2, MooF3, but they were
>all blank.  I realize TN 31 isn't findable normally...)  Do I need
>a developer CD to see it?

You will need to set the appropriate memory partition to something rather 
larger than normal...

>(Also, where's the MooV?  Haven't seen that one around...)

It was on the QuickTime 1.0 cd.

>-- 
>jonesr2@rpi.edu, userham1@rpitsmts.bitnet|"Due to circumstances beyond my
>"I disagree with what you say, but I     | control, I am master of my fate
>will defend to the death your right      | and captain of my soul."
>to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -Ashleigh Brilliant
-- 
/*      Well, you wanted a command line interface, you got one, and now you
can't figure out how to use it without the manual.  What were you expecting?
That's how command line interfaces work. - John Nagle */
From: dwb@apple.com (David W. Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: QDProcs strangeness
Date: 17 Jul 92 21:23:19 GMT
Organization: Greenwing Enterprises
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Jul11.212501.5764@news.columbia.edu> Steven L Levitt,
sll2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes:
>However, after I set grafPort->grafProcs = myProcs, I tend to get
illeagal 
>instruction errors (I believe this has something to do with the Port's 

If you're using a color graf port you need to make sure and use a CQDProcs
instead of a QDProcs.  Also you need to call SetStdCProcs instead of
SetStdProcs.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac:147 comp.sys.mac.system:10217 comp.sys.mac.misc:13565
From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for funky French characters...
Date: 22 Jul 1992 00:46:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu
Keywords: fonts, french


Some of the accented characters you need are already available in
the Times standard font:

Key                      Output
-------------------------------------
<Opt>`-e                 Grave e
<Opt>e-e                 Acute e
<Opt>c                   Circumflex c
<Opt>u-i                 Umlaut-i



There are lots more, if you play around with your Option key.
If you fire up Key Caps, and hold down the Option key, you'll
see some keys with a grey square around them.  These are called
"dead" keys, and delay printing until another keystroke.  Hit
one, and the characters that accept that accent will hilite
with a black border.

-- 
-----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------
Samuel S. Tai          | Wisdom is supreme, therefore get wisdom.
sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu | Though it cost you all you have, get understanding.
                       |                                -- Proverbs 4:7 (NIV)
-----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: richard@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Carels)
Subject: Re: Looking for funky French characters...
Keywords: fonts, french
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:53:53 GMT



> Some of the accented characters you need are already available in
> the Times standard font:
> 
[etc.]

> If you fire up Key Caps, and hold down the Option key, you'll
> see some keys with a grey square around them.  These are called
> "dead" keys, and delay printing until another keystroke.  Hit
> one, and the characters that accept that accent will hilite
> with a black border.
> 
Or, much easier: Get PopChar. It must be somewhere on SUMEX, in the Extensions
or the Control Panels directory. Install it, restart, and click with the mouse
in the top left corner of the screen. A meny showing all the characters in
the current chosen font  drops down, and by dragging through it you can
select any character you want. It will also show you how to type it, so you
will know the next time. 
Seems to me this is exactly what you want.

Richard

-- 
Richard Carels,  University of Amsterdam      
                 Computer Science Department  Email:
Macintosh        Kruislaan 403                richard@fwi.uva.nl
systems manager  1098 SJ AMSTERDAM            Applelink: HOL0070
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: lie6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jonathan Lieberman)
Subject: Re: Anybody know anything about SOFT PC WINDOWS?
Reply-To: lie6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:45:16 GMT

Im not sure why my message was lost,but the long and the short is that,
I just saw an add for Soft PC windows in MacWorld.  It says it comes
with windows 3.1 and dos 5.0.  It was $400 and change...

Does anybody know more???



-- 
____________________________________________________________________________
Copyright (c) 1992          | People demand freedom of speech to make up 
Jonathan Lieberman          | for the freedom of thought which they avoid.
lie6@midway.uchicago.edu    |                        -Kierkegaard
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:12365 comp.sys.mac.wanted:6906 comp.sys.mac.misc:13726
From: kperic@vms.eurokom.ie (Konstantin Peric S.W.I.F.T.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: "intelligent" drawing program - SUMMARY
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:56:25 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service


In article <1992Jul17.163502.11870@vms.eurokom.ie> I asked:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm looking for a Mac drawing application with the following features:
>
>1) user-definable symbols
>2) possibility to associate structured information to object/symbols.
>I can live with pre-defined forms associated to symbols. The best would 
>be some kind of minimal database which would allow basic queries and reports.
>3) connector lines, which follow the attached symbol/object when it is
>moved.                  
>
>I've tried Aperture (nice, but no connectors), Designer (also nice, but no
>structured information).  
>
>If you know of any other product, I would like to hear from you;
>I will summarize if there is any interest.

Here's a summary of the replies I got:

1) Mike (<ORDER.PROCESSING@STANFORD.BITNET>) suggested
 FileVision 2.0 and DesignerDraw. Both can be downloaded from
 archive.umich.edu (.../utilities). I have evaluated both apps. 
 FileVision 2.0, described as an object oriented database, covers neatly 
 requirements 1) and 2). However, it does not recognize connectors between
 objects.
 DesignerDraw is an organizational drawing program (i.e. organization charts
 etc). Covers points 1) and 3), but no structured info can be associated to the
 objects.

2) Edward Gold, P.E. (gold@Warren.MENTORG.COM,  Mentor Graphics
 Corp., IC Group) suggests Inspiration from Ceres Software. I've asked a 
 couple of dealers here in Belgium for this software, but they don't (yet) know
 about it. If anybody knows how to contact Ceres Software, please tell.

3) Rick Gordon (rick_gordon@aldus.com, Aldus Corporation, Seattle WA)
 suggests "Intellidraw", their soon to be released product for Mac and
 Windows. He is not sure that the product covers requirement 2.

4) Dwayne Sandall (sandall@ccu.UManitoba.CA, Faculty of Architecture,
 Univ of Manitoba), suggests MiniCAD+ 3.1  or it's 2D version Blueprint. He is
 not sure that Blueprint has the database or associated information feature. 
 Dwayne also says that there is a new version of MiniCAD coming out very
 soon, ie. version 4.0
			
So, it sounds like I have some testing to do in the near future. Thanks to
everybody. Cheers,

Kosta Peric
S.W.I.F.T. Research & Engineering
Tel: +32.2.655.37.74
Fax: +32.2.655.37.85
E-mail: kperic@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Mac Drawing Program
From: jerry@bioiris.tamu.edu (Jerry Anchin)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:05:42 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.

I'm looking for a Mac program other than Mac-Draw or Super-Paint for my
MacIIci.  There's a drawing program on my SGI IRIS system called Showcase
which is very versatile and user friendly. It's for X-windows and I was
wondering if there's a similar freeware progrm for the Mac.
Thanks.
Jerry@bioiris.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: pjl@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas)
Subject: Re: THINK C and C++ (was: C++ and other compilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:07:29 GMT

In <Jul.30.09.18.31.1992.14015@gandalf.rutgers.edu> rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:

>jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman) writes:

>>  THINK C does have some OOP in it, but I have heard people call it C+ or
>>C+-.

>Think C v.4.0 had minimal object extensions, and was somewhat upward
>compatible with C++.  Think C v.5.0 adds several additional C++ features,
>and lets you write code which will compile under C++ without need for
>conditional compilation.  It still lacks many C++ features, though this
>may in some cases be an advantage -- I've seen some really impenetrable
				      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>C++ code...
 ^^^^^^^^

*****>	What...and there aren't impenetrable pieces of C (or Lisp, or
	Ada, or Pascal, or...) code?  It's _always_ up to the programmer
	as to how comprehensible to make his/her programs; it's got
	nothing to do with the given language...nor should it.  It's a
	people issue: languages don't make incomprehensible programs,
	programmers do.

	I also respectfully put forth the suggestion of the possibility
	that perhaps you just don't understand C++ very well.  (That was
	a hyposthesis, not a flame.)
-- 
	- Paul J. Lucas				University of Illinois	
	  AT&T Bell Laboratories		at Urbana-Champaign
	  Naperville, IL			pjl@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: dchin@ept.msc.cornell.edu (David W. Chin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.graphics
Subject: Non-uniform rational B-splines?
Keywords: NURBS, Mac, application
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:49:33 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center

Does anyone know of "Alias", or any Mac application (3D drawing or CAD)
that will allow me to create a NURBS?

David Chin				 Cornell University '92

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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word_5_Sys_Resources_R-installing_Sys_7
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:14:55 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <920539.2A74E386@cmhgate.fidonet.org>
Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>
>DG> Speaking of which, it looks like SuperLaserSpool adds an "SLS3" 
>DG> resource to the System. I'm going to try removing it and see 
>DG> if it kills SLS.
>
>You might also try removing SLS (by whatever means the manual says) and see if
>that SLS3 resource goes away.  Such behavior would only be gentlemanly on the
>part of SLS (he says, not expecting it to happen).

I didn't trust the product to be "gentlemanly" - I chopped it out with ResEdit.
It put it back. It's an odd little resource - 18 bytes of zeroes.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: ICH530@DJUKFA11.BITNET (POELCHAU, Harald S.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: ReferenceManager Review (was: Bibliography Programs)
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:26:28 GMT
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

Assuming a general interest in this topic I am posting information on
ReferenceManager kindly mailed to me by: lillyj@ohsu.EDU (Jill Lilly)

To: ICH530@ZAM001.ZAM.KFA-JUELICH.DE
Subject: Re: Bibliography Program

ReferenceManager is sold by:
RIS = Research Information Systems, Inc.
Camino Corporate Center
2355 Camino Vida Roble
Carlsbad, CA   92009
(619) 438-5526.

Reference Mgr has the capability to accept import from MEDLINE and other
reference database services or from keyboard entry. Once your database is
developed, references can be  retrieved by author, keywords, journal, year,
editor, titles or notes. Each ref. is assigned a unique  i.d. number. You have
wild card options, as well as logical connectors (and/or, not, etc.) in the
search function.

Manuscripts can be written which refer to the unique i.d. numbers (set off
by special characters). A "generate bibliography" feature will substitute
the author's name and year in text (if that style is used) or reference
citations (#'s 1, 2, 3, etc.) either in citation order or alphabetically
by author.  The program also then generates a bibliography list which
can be added to the  end of your manuscript. If used properly, it works great.

Some care must be taken in the data entry phase to ensure that consistency
is adhered to (same abbreviations used in journal entries, etc.).

RIS has a nice brochure about their program, you may wish to call to request
it.  If you are at a university, you might check with your library to see
if they have by chance  purchased a site license for the program. Our medical
library here at the Oregon Health Sciences University purchases 10 copies at
a time, and then sells them to departments for around $200. It's a good program.

Now, the bad part. I feel that the Mac version may not be as robust as I
would  like. I've had problems with the program unexpectedly quitting if left
running on an unattended machine.  This corrupts the entire data base
(or it claims to have done so), and then the database must be re-indexed.
This takes a fair amount of time for the number of references that I
have (around 2800). This database is supposed to be capable of handling 32,000
references, so it's not the size of the database that is the problem. I
just have to be careful to close the program when not in use.

I hope you find a program that meets your needs. This one has a lot of great
features, and I'm sure the problem with crashes will be resolved in future
editions. So far, I have not lost any of my references due to the crashes.

Jill Lilly
From: jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu (Jerome Jahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:25:24 GMT
Organization: Biology Learning Center

In article <1992Jul21.175954.3926@newstand.syr.edu>, ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper) writes:
> 
> 
>   Nope, sorry Jer, you're not quite there yet.
> 
>   You are now comparing software copying to the theft of a thesis. I assume you
>   mean that a hypothetical person reads my thesis that I worked on forever and
>   copies it, submitting it as his own work and "earning" a degree in the 
>   process.
> 
>   Well, that's still not it. Yes, I'd be pissed if that happened - but that's
>   STILL not an accurate analogy. The thesis-stealer is essentially enjoying 
>   reading my thesis so much that he is photocopying it and reading it over and
>   over again.

Hmmmm my wife the writer makes some money with her version of MS Word. I make
a good deal of money with my copy of MPW. Nope you are wrong. The tools are
necessary in the business world. Companies save tons of money (which equates
directly to money pocketed) by using desktop publishing, spread sheets,
electronic mail, and computers in general. They would save even more money if
they did not buy it. This is stealing pure and simple, the tools save them
money.

Finally, ideas and intellectual property are not like cars, they are not like
tangible items. You seem to revel in ignoring other parts of my statement. Like
the pharmicutecals. Do you feel you should only pay for the materials used? 
And how about consultants. You could hire a bum to sit in your office and talk
to you for a hell of a lot less than a business consultant, but then you don't
hire a consultant to sit in your office and talk to you (although that is a 
large part of what they do) you hire them for what they know.

Since you refuse to accept that software is not like more tangible items then
it is really pointless talking to you. I know when someone would rather argue
than engage in real conversation. It is a waste of my time, only becuase you
insist that things are the way they always were. Well the sun used to rotate
around the earth, people were conceived via pangensis, and most ills were
caused by fairies and gnomes. Time marches on. The people who create software 
deserve to be paid. If not they will not create sofware. You feel you do not
have to pay becuase it is not like you taking it from them. How do you feel
about your water bill?? You are not really taking it from them you give it
back (thus the sewer tax) consider the price tag on software a service fee and
not buying merchandise. Otherwise find a new patsy.

Jer,
----
Jerome Jahnke
Biology Learning Center
University of Arizona
'jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu' OR +1 (602) 621-3820
From: lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: WingZ - sys 7 compatible version ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:02:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: General Electric R&D

In article <1992Jul22.204904.29818@ils.nwu.edu>,
dmerrill@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Douglas Merrill) wrote:
 

<<<much good stuff deleted>>>

> You could also try Claris Resolve -- there's an "upgrade" from Wingz to
> Resolve 1.1, which is System 7 savvy, and is shipping (unlike Wingz 2.0).
>  Call Claris and ask about pricing (it was cheap...)
> 
> BTW -- Claris bought part (perhaps all) of the code to Wingz and snazzed
> it up some -- I have been able to open all my Wingz files (about 50 of
> them at ~500k each) and work with no problems (i.e., no export/import,
> etc) since Resolve is in large part Wingz minus some of the annoying bugs.
> 
> Good Luck...
> Thanks,
> 
> Douglas Merrill
> Visiting Scholar
> The Institute for the Learning Sciences
> Northwestern University
> 1890 Maple Ave
> Evanston IL 60201
> dmerrill@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu

I don't agree that switching to Resolve (or Excel, for that matter) is the
best choice.

Wingz offered (and continues to offer) some unique features that Resolve
never will, i.e., DataLink (provides the ability to communicate with remote
databases via SQL).

There will be a much enhanced version of Wingz out by the end of the year.
The HyperScript language will be much improved, with a debugger. 

Unless you had a major compelling reason to switch from Wingz, I would
wait. After all, version 1.1a is system7 compatible.

- Lorne

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