From: marwang@bach.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 3 Jan 93 05:21:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

>jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani) writes:

>Third, the analogy is poor, since Tel Aviv is part of Israel.  The
>territories that Israel now controls were never part of any nation
>other than a Jewish one.

Sure and the color of the sky in a moonless night is WHITE ... Let me
give the readers of this net the true historical eras that Palestine 
went through.

(A) KANAANEETS: The first documented existence in Palestine was for the
    Kanaanee bedouins this is before the profit Moses crossed the Sinai
    with his followers (the Hebrew).

(B) HEBREW: the profit Moses crossed the Sinai with his followers. His
    followers were Hebrews and were previously the slaves under the
    Egyptian rule. This marked the beginning of the Jewish existence in
    Palestine.

(C) ASSERIANS: The asserians (From Iraq) came to Palestine and destroyed
    the Hebrew state there.
    
(D) ISRAELIS: The Hebrews came back to Palestine and latter founded the
    state of Israel that was later subdivided into two nations.

(E) ROMANS: around the year 70 and shortly after the Hebrews crucified
    the lord Jesus ... the ROMANS came and they took over Palestine
    and that put an end to the Jewish existence in Palestine. 400 years
    later the ROMANS adopted christianity and most of the inhabitants of
    Palestine became christians.

(F) ISLAM: The Kalif Omar Ibn-Alkhattab entered Jerusalem around the year 700
    and in a famous speech to the inhabitants of Jerusalem (mostly christians)
    Omar promised them full freedom to practice their religion. NONE of 
    the churches that were present in Jerusalem was desicrated or destroyed
    and the harmony that existed in Jerusalem between Islam and christianity
    was an example. Especially at those times when there was no UN and no
    International law.

    The Islamic rule over Palestine prevailed almost since the birth of this
    religion. A lot of the inhabitants of Palestine converted willingly to
    Islam. Arabic was the language of communication in Palestine.

    The Islamic rule over Palestine was divided into several eras namely;

1.  EMOUITES: (Capital DAMASCUS) the emouites ruled over Palestine for about
    90 Years till the late 700's.

2.  ABBASSI: The Abbasis (Capital BAGHDAD & SURA-MAN-RAA) ruled over Palestine
    (on and off) till the Fatimi/ Mamlouki era.

3.  FATIMI/AYOUBI: The Fatimi/Ayoubi era started in Palestine
    after the end of the failed Crusades mission. Salah-Eldin El-Ayoubi entered
    Jerusalem in 1187 and again the Islamic era continued ...

4.  MAMLOUKI: the Mamlouki state started after the end of the FATIMI era.
    The Mamlouki's were the one to free Asia (And Europe Indirectly) from
    the Mongoles plaig.

5.  OTTOMAN: The Ottomans came to Palestine around 1400 and Palestine was a
    part of a state in the Ottoman empire that stretched west from the atlantic
    to Persia in the east and from the Sahara in the south up to sienna
    (Austria).

    The Islamic rule over Palestine was not without interruptions however,
    there was brief interruption by the following:

1.  CRUSADES: The Crusaders came to Palestine in the late eleventh
    century and prevailed for about 100 years till 1187 when Salah-Eldin
    entered Jerusalem.

2.  MONGOLES: The Mongoles came in the thirteenth century where they ruled
    almost ALL the world known then including most of Asia and parts of
    europe. The Mongole rule over Palestine ended in a Battle known by
    Ein-Jaloot where the Moslems finished the "unbeatable Mongoles myth".
    Not only did this battle end the era of the Mongoles in the middle
    east but it was also behind their retreat from europe.

3.  BRITISH: the british colonization came to Palestine after going back
    on their promise (As Usual) to the Sherief of Mecca Hussain (who happens
    to be the father of the grandfather of King Hussein of Jordan). The British
    promised Hussain all the territories extending from the indian ocean up
    to the borders of modern turkey in exchange for the serief's fight 
    against the Ottoman's who were on the germans side. This was near the end of
    WWI in 1916. The british rule over Palestine marked the end of the Ottoman's
    existence there. At that point there were very few Jews living there.
    A statistic conducted by the Ottomans to the inhabitants of Jerusalem
    in 1901 showed that there were only (1) ONE Jewish family living in
    Jerusalem.

4.  ZIONISTS: the zionists came to Palestine after the beginning of the
    british rule who took on its hands the creation of the illegal
    state of Israel. In a document delivered by Sir Belfore in 1917 to
    the Zionism lobby, Sir Belfore promised the creation of a Jewish
    homeland in Palestine that "should also reserve the right of the
    other groups" ... The ASSHOLE failed to mention that these groups
    comprised almost 100% of the population then (1917).

    The Illegal state of israel was unfortunately founded on this illegal
    promise by Sir Belfore ... The Israelis however, did show gratitude
    to their creators (The British) ... This gratitude was in the shape
    of numerous explosions and terrorist attacks on the british army
    and names such as Minahem Beigen and Yetshak Shamir (former prime 
    ministers of Israel) became well known wanted terrorists by the British.

    When the zionists grew to be uncontrollable, the british fled Palestine
    in 1948 leaving the open road for the beginning of the illegal state
    of israel.

Conclusion.
^^^^^^^^^^^

  The zionists "historical right" is NOT right ... Not only their
  existence in Palestine was for two short periods in the ancient
  history, but also THEY WERE NOT THE FIRST TO BE IN PALESTINE ...
  The zionists managed to convince the world of this black lie that
  they have this legal historical right.  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG,
  they were NOT the first to be in Palestine ... The kanaanee bedowins
  were there even before the Hebrew slaves crossed the Sinai.
    
  Second the hebrew slaves of 3000 years back do not relate to the world's
  jewish population nowadays ... In those 3000 years a lot has changed,
  we are not talking about 10, 20 or 50 years ... We are talking about
  3000 years. The Oldest known human civilization is only 5000 years old.
  To prove this claim, how can the black jewish Ethiopian Flasha be related
  to the blue eyed and blond haired jewish friend of mine. The Zionists
  continue to say that jewishness is a race ... Yeah ... A race and not
  a religion meaning the black Etheopean and the blond American have the
  same RACE ????!!! ... I have nothing against the jewish religion, but
  it cannot be different than all other religions, christianity, Islam,
  bodaism ... etc. A religion is a religion and not a race. In those 3000
  years several conversion were made to judaism and these conversions 
  cannot possibly give the right of the modern zionists to hunt down 10
  year old arab children for throwing stones ....
  
  History proved that all non-lawful and unjust deeds never survive. I hope
  that this rule will not be broken

>Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org

--Marwan
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