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From: seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver)
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:29:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.181910.7749@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
>Subject: Re: famous suicides
>Date: 14 Dec 92 18:19:10 GMT
>>Also Abbey Hoffman. And who was the actress in the '30s or '40s who flung 
>>herself off the H on the HOLLYWOOD sign?
>>
>Sycophant! Abbie Hoffman DID NOT commit suicide!
>           ^^^^^

Ay pardon for the spelling--that is one of those names that tend to come 
out unconsciously that way--but everything I heard indicated it WAS suicide. 
Can anyone help clear that up?

--Dharma Bum
----
"Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night?"
    --On the Road
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Chicken & Egg bullshit... my favorite dilemna...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:25:43 GMT

In article <42383@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!) writes:
>Y-aack!  I see people around me in very intimate relationships,
>I hear about them from friends and on the net, and I want something
>like that so bad it hurts.... and of course I'm afraid that 
>wanting it so badly is going to interfere with my actually getting
>it... I'll probably come across as desparate or weird to anyone

I think you're right about this.  I've been in the same boat before.  It's a
catch-22 situation, and the only way to escape it is by chance.  You have to
find somebody when you're not looking (at least, not very hard).  Or find
somebody just as desparate as yourself.

Think of intimacy as an addictive drug -- it feels sweet, but the
(inevitable?) withdrawl is hell.  Pursue other things.

#define SHALLOW         /* enter shallow mode */

There are many things you can pursue that will make women want you, but will
benefit you even if they don't.  Material, friends, and (your own!) art are
three such things.  Pursue these even if you don't think you want them.  The
women will come to you.

#undef SHALLOW          /* become a sensitive, caring guy again */

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Going off the air (and poem)
Summary: Tha-tha-tha-that's all, folks!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:57:53 GMT
Keywords: bye,bye,hello, Brahma

First, i'd like to thank all the folks i've been corresponding with the past
couple of weeks; the philosophical fare was the best i've bitten into 
(live) for quite awhile (reading the thoughts of dead-white-men(tm) gets abit
stale after awhile), and the other stuff was enjoyable, too.
  Now, before i go, i'd like to share one of my favorite poems with you.
 
           Brahma

If the red slayer thinks he slays,
Or if the slain thinks he is slain,
They know not well the subtle ways I keep,
I pass, and turn, and come again.

Far and forgot to me are near,
Shadow and sunlight are the same,
The vanished gods to me appear,
And one to me are fame and shame.

They reckon ill who leave me out,
When me they fly I am the wings.
I am the doubter and the doubt,
I am the hymn the Brahmin sings.

The strong gods pine for my abode,
And pine in vain, the Sacred Seven!
But thou, meek lover of the good,
Find me and turn thy back on heaven.

               --Ralph Waldo Emerson


                  
Off i go, now.
Aufwiederhoeren!
        EUCLID
--
Euclid K., euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
                                     ----Charles Dickens
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From: rsr4936@cc.utah.edu (Reay, Robert S.)
Subject: methods file
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:35 MST  



Here's some info on the Oil of Wintergreen:

I'm not quite sure if it's the same stuff we're talking about here, 
but I work in a candy store and we use some ultra-condensed "mint oil" 
to flavor our mints.  It's very powerful -- 150 ml (one or two gulps) 
power 50 pounds of chocolate.

Anyway, once as a joke, I pretended to swallow mint oil in front of my 
friend.  I took the beaker we generally use for the stuff and washed 
it out _extremely_ well (so I thought.)  Then I filled the beaker up 
with water to the 50 ml line (bbarely a swallow) and poured half of 
it into my coke in front of my friend.

Just taking one sip of the coke with the water from the beaker that 
one came into contact with mint oil was enough to reawaken my duodenal 
ulcer.  I spent the next 3 months on Zantac (ulcer medication)!  I 
also could taste nothing but mint for the next several days.

If this small amount (I'm no chemist, but it must have been in the 
parts-per-hundred-thousand or more ratio) could give someone an ulcer, 
I'm sure gulping a swallow would burn a hole in your throat-stomach 
even before you started retching it back up.

		happy winter solstice
		rob


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lynn@fusion.physics.auburn.edu (Owen Lynn)
Subject: I have decided.
Keywords: apathy, boredom, life
Organization: Who knows? Who cares?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:17:25 GMT

I have decided that life is a game. This is a very arbitrary
view, but that's a whole different philosophical discussion.
One can play for one or many objectives in Life - survival 
being the common objective that everyone has to achieve.  Life
can be played alone or as a team, and the rules can be simple
or complex. Life can be fun and challenging, or it can be 
boring and challenging - mere drudgery. I am bored with Life.
Incredibly bored. It's simply no fun anymore. Why am I wasting
time playing this silly game? Why indeed? The question mocks
me in the late hours of the night when I can't sleep. So, I
have decided to make Life just a little more interesting before
I throw in the towel and leave the rest of you with your strategies,
plans, and machinations. The new object I've added to Life is
simple, get five dates with a girl before Dec 31, 2000. The
penalty for failure is death. The reward? Increased social skills.
Am I afraid of losing? No. It adds a bit of risk to Life, makes
what otherwise would be a cold meaningless existence interesting.
What people usually define as the spice of life, just won't cut
it for me.

Live long and prosper - NOT
Owen Lynn

 
 


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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: dates and sex
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:35:58 GMT

In article <92349.214635TPW106@psuvm.psu.edu>
<TPW106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
>
>with all this talk about not get dates or sex or a relationship, i thought i'd
>share my solution to this.
>give up. accept that i was going to be alone for the rest of my short
>(hopefully!) life.  I just stopped looking hoping and dreaming for a
>relationship and moved on.  Life is a lot easier to cope with when you don't
>have any hopes to be shattered.
     ...or if you don't waste time sitting around moping.  Of course, some
folks seem to get their jollies by moaning about stuff all the time; to each
his own.
   And what's the big deal with being in one's early twenties and still a
virgin?  If it's being a *virgin* that bugs someone, that can easily be
changed...there isn't a city or village too small to have a whore or gigilo
or two.  Close, affectionate relationships are another matter.  To get a
friend, be a friend.  This won't guarantee you won't come across people who
will try to exploit you...but that's a risk you have to venture.  'Course when
you meet such, you can tell them "no".  Up to you if you think it worth the
risk.
 
euclid
(.sig under construction)
From: 71544.467@compuserve.com (Lorelei)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Kali
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:26:49 GMT
Organization: Cave of the Damned

Where, oh where are the great missives from Kali?  Alas I see others 
responding to her posts but nowhere can I find the originals.  Is the 
problem with my lowly computer, mildewed as it is from the damp of the
caves?  I waited long through the summer while Kali frolicked in the 
California surf and through the fall as the great goddess engaged in 
other unknown activities, then sighed with frustration as I realised 
others could see her but not I.  Have I sunk so deep into the murky 
depths of the surrounding quicksand that I can no longer lurk on ASH
in silence?


Thank you all for your patience in allowing me to speak.  One day when
the depression is not so great that I cannot see the light, I may come
out of hiding and participate in ASH...

-----
Lorelei
71544.467@compuserve.com (I think)
  -or-
das@canctr.mc.duke.edu (for sure)
-----
From: jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Wounds and Time
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:36:53 GMT
Organization: Russel Street UN*X and Caffeine
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu

emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>
>What the phrase "Time heals all wounds" really means is "It's out of our hands."

Odd, I usually translate it as "Your conscious mind will smooth over the 
details eventually."

joe "tonight I hope to forget..." provo

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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:19:10 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>Also Abbey Hoffman. And who was the actress in the '30s or '40s who flung 
>herself off the H on the HOLLYWOOD sign?
>
Sycophant! Abbie Hoffman DID NOT commit suicide!
           ^^^^^

-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Wouldn't it be fun...
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:48:45 GMT

In article <1g4p6nINN7t2@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> johnh@compnews.co.uk (John Harcourt) writes:
>Wouldn't it be fun to hang around on motorway bridges wearing a skull mask,
>black hooded cloak and carrying a scythe...
>
>Multi-vehicle pile-ups... yay!
>
>--
>John "Thwip" Harcourt | My employers would like me to remind you that I wrote  
>johnh@compnews.co.uk  | this mindless drivel, it has nothing to do with them. 
>
>I'll insert a pretentious quote here just as soon as I can think of a good one.

Love it!;->

-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Just some lyrics I thought you'd enjoy
Reply-To: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:37:17 GMT

Sorry, I really fuckethis thing up.
From: kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: I have decided.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:54:32 GMT
Organization: Project Quantum Gweep
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Dec17.145045.1@phcu.helsinki.fi> jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi writes:
>
>If the objective of life is survival, we're all pretty poor players.
>
>Cease purpose and die.
>
>/ Hope is the beginning of unhappiness /    

Life is irrelevant.  Survival is irrelevant.  Play is irrelevant.  
Death is irrelevant.  Hope is irrelevant.  Unhappiness is irrelevant.  
Purpose is existence.  Existence is assimilation.  You will be assimilated.
Your life as you know it is over.  From this day forward you will service us.

k
(sorry, sorry...couldn't resist)
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From: "andrew comello" <andrew.comello@canrem.com>
Subject: i have decided.
Reply-To: "andrew comello" <andrew.comello@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:28:17 EST

K>Life is irrelevant.  Survival is irrelevant.  Play is irrelevant.
K>Death is irrelevant.  Hope is irrelevant.  Unhappiness is irrelevant.
K>Purpose is existence.  Existence is assimilation.  You will be assimilated.
K>Your life as you know it is over.  From this day forward you will service us.

ever watch Star Trek? you sound just like the Borg and you're right...
life is a useless function...
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From: pacomius@maths.uwa.oz.au (Chris Smith (with the beard))
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 13 Dec 1992 11:05:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>Here are some from the top of my head:

>(1) Alan Turing -- considered by many to be one of the founders of
>                   modern computer science (suicide by cyanide)
>(2) Vincent Van Gogh  -- renowned painter (suicide by ???)
Vincent shot himself in the groin, then went home ( he was boarding with
some people ) complained of feeling unwell, and went to bed. He finally
died a day or two later

>(3) Socrates -- renowned philosopher (suicide by hemlock)
I'm not sure if I'd call this suicide as it was an accepted means of
execution for citizens of the polis. His enemies expected, and probably
wanted him to flee, and gave him plenty of opportunity to do so, but
this would have been playing into their hands. Aristotle was faced with
a similar situation, and chose to run. Seneca, on the other hand, didn't
have the opportunity, and took a long time to die ( quite Rasputinish )

How about:
Tchaikovsky -- a homosexual, married to a nymphomaniac. He certainly
tried to suicide once, and eventually died after drinking a glass of
unpurified water during a cholera epidemic. It's not certain that he
knew the water was likely to be infected though.

Sylvia Plath -- gassed herself in her oven

Jackson Pollock -- was in the habit of driving recklessly and was
certainly suicidal on a number of occasions

C.Y. O'Connor -- Australian engineer, he proposed and built a pipeline
to carry water some four hundred kilometres to the inland of Western
Australia last century. When the water didn't appear, he despaired that
the project had been a failure and drowned himself. The water appeared
a few hours later.

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Mark, we could use the hanging height list about now...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:15:06 GMT


	I have a drop heights table around here somewhere... now which
of these 2 score boxes is it in???

	=P

	For those interested... they used to play about with the severed
heads from the guillotines in France during the revolution (like calling
out the deceased name and watching the eyes open and look around). They
also had a problem in the 'Old West' with making the ropes/drops too long...
guess they didn't think it was too nice to have the head pop off and
blood splatter the lovely ladies watching the show...

			Psycho Kitten (in a rather geursome mood... and without
				a spell-checker...)


-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Mark, we could use the hanging height list about now...
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:28:48 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <1992Dec14.221506.418@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
>	I have a drop heights table around here somewhere... now which
>of these 2 score boxes is it in???
>
>	=P
>
>	For those interested... they used to play about with the severed
>heads from the guillotines in France during the revolution (like calling
>out the deceased name and watching the eyes open and look around). They
>also had a problem in the 'Old West' with making the ropes/drops too long...
>guess they didn't think it was too nice to have the head pop off and
>blood splatter the lovely ladies watching the show...
>
>			Psycho Kitten (in a rather geursome mood... and without
>				a spell-checker...)
>
>
>-- 
>
>Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
>Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 

Hmmm..now that *is* interesting..bout the heads reacting..but...you
made me nearly choke on my coffee..from laughing..

bad bad kitty;->

want to catch some gekkos?..just kidding..I like the little creatures..
and they eat those god-awful..giant hawaiian roaches...shudder..uck..

      


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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Hemmingway (Re: famous suicides)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:22:51 GMT

In the case of Hemmingway, he did die by shotgun.  However, the incident
was not a suicide.  He did not know the proper procedure for cleaning a
gun; he cleaned it when it was fully loaded.

It just goes to show that even great authors make mistakes.

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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:33:21 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <1992Dec16.205310.12247@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>In article <seaverw.83.0@columbia.dsu.edu> seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.181910.7749@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>>>From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
>>>>
>>>Sycophant! Abbie Hoffman DID NOT commit suicide!
>>>           ^^^^^
>>
>>Ay pardon for the spelling--that is one of those names that tend to come 
>>out unconsciously that way--but everything I heard indicated it WAS suicide. 
>>Can anyone help clear that up?
>>
>>--Dharma Bum
>>----
>>"Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night?"
>>    --On the Road
>
>Oh yes he did..I guess it was spelled Abby..I didn't notice..and I thought
>we didn't remark on each other's spelling..
>
>I still have the article or rather the whole magazine as he was on the
>cover..he left a note and everything....and I recall that it made me sad
>because he gave up..let the turkeys grind him down..and I think a ladylove
>had left..really..it know it hurts..but I hate seeing something like that
>push someone that I considered a progressive thinker..go down..
>
>however..I shouldn't say these things..everyone has their own private
>hell..
>
>                      
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
>						-Kali
>**************************************************************************

.....sigh..I meant..Abbie..i think..who cares..but he *did* commit suicide..
          
       and..I seem to recall that the guy that was leading the "homeless"
movement..committed suicide..not long after Abbie..his "love" had left
also..

it makes me think about the post that I believe "crimson" wrote..about
blowing himself up in front of the "wedding" car of his old flame and
her new husband..what a mess..;->

perfect..but..I'm glad he didn't do it.


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						-Kali
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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Wounds and Time
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:57:31 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1gmiq5INNjb3@life.ai.mit.edu> jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst) writes:
>Odd, I usually translate it as "Your conscious mind will smooth over the 
>details eventually."

DING! Thank you, that's exactly what I think "Time heals all wounds" means...
That, or given enough time we will die and then they just won't matter... With
enough time all your problems will go away.

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From: elnitsky@math.lsa.umich.edu (Serge Elnitsky)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:05:13 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.math.lsa.umich.edu

  OK, the Socrates controversy notwithstanding, how about
some more names?
  Here's those I can think of at the moment... 
  Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Rudolf Hess 
  Sergei Esenin, Vladimir Mayakovsky, Marina Tsvetaeva (Russian poets)
  Arthur Koestler