HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: admiral@m-5.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: So what happened to SCV??
Date: 17 Aug 1992 18:38:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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Basically the subject line says it all. I saw the show in 
Concord and Stockon and while it had holes in it, I thought
it had a lot of possiblities to be a winner. 

I got this mail from Ken Dowzycki later in the season...

From dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu Tue Aug  4 13:01:36 1992
> After prelims, I ambushed their staff and they told me that the judges
> told them that they cannot expect to move forward by moving backwards.
> What a load of shit.  Apparently they are telling PR the same thing
> because they are using 1812.  This was supposed to be an A-N-N-I-V-
> E-R-S-A-R-Y celebration.  

(Thanks Ken for the updates.)

There were other comments made about the show during the year. Good
and bad. Usually, SCV makes it's run later in the season but
nothing this year. I was just wondering..

- The corps seemed talented (especially the drum line). Was it the
  show or am I mistaken?

- Was G.R. just coasting in his last season? No real move at the
  end. I heard they decided not to take the old guard uniforms
  back east. etc.

- Did the judges really dislike the show that much?

- Was the top six that much better?

- Does it seem true that you can't win using some older material?
  What does this say about the judging scheme and attitudes?
  Could it have been this simple?

Opinions???

Please post replys to the net for all.

Oh yes, Conratulations to the Cavaliers! I always thought they were
a class act.

Thanks,

Mick
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu (James J. Szinger)
Subject: Re: VK bashing & DC North
Organization: Yale Univerity, Intelligent Sensors Lab, Elect. Eng.
	<Aug.14.10.34.28.1992.24986@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
	<1992Aug14.155045.12862@vaxeline.ftp.com>
	<Aug.14.13.30.55.1992.827@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:38:14 GMT

Whenever I perform, I keep two considerations in mind:

1) Am I having fun?

2) Is the audience enjoying themselves?

Scoring points and winning aren't important.  Having a sense of
humor and a sense of tolerance is.  So please, loosen that
codpiece a few notches, remove the Q-Tip, and enjoy yourself.

Jim
--
James Szinger                        jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu

"He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad."
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: The Star of Indiana
Keywords: The Star of Indiana, why do they hate them?
Reply-To: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:54:15 GMT

Christopher E. Hagen writes:
-   Why, exactly, do you hate the Star of Indiana?
- 
-  (or, love them/like  them/respect them/etc.)
- 
- 
-        I'm just itting here reading all the hatred of them, and I heard all
- the booing, etc, all season. WHY? Is it just because we have corporate
- sponsorship, and will allow all types of people into our corp, based on their
- abilities not their pocketbooks? (sorry, couldn't help but ask that question
- since someone told me "The Star of Indiana" was filled with low-class people))

Because there are people involved with drumcorps, like any
other competitive activity, who *need* something to hate, 
and in the current DCI world, they've "latched" onto Star.

I wouldn't take it too personally, as they are pretty 
unimportant in the larger scheme of things, however much they 
try to convice you (and the rest of the world) otherwise.

Jeff


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
Organization: University of Idaho CS Dept.
	<1992Aug17.151520.5102@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<1992Aug17.130855.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
	<1992Aug18.041719.19698@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Aug18.095423.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:55:44 GMT
X-Posted-From: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

There's more to picking a place for finals than
  1) weather
  2) size of the seats
  3) size of the town
  4) sunspot activity and/or phase of the moon

One of the things DCI must balance is transportation costs/time for the
corps involved.  Having DCI North, East, and South spread out across the
country and having enough big corps to attend each is a difficult problem.
Plus there are the smaller non-DCI shows that go in to making up a tour
package for each corps.  And some of those corps can't afford to spend 25
days on the road, driving each night.  Having a rotating finals sight lets
the smaller corps get to finals every couple of years, and keeping the
finals site central lets the last few shows be a little diverse.  Anyone
remember Birmingham '79-80?  Prelims started on Thursday but the last show
anyone did was on the last Sunday (I think) - that's four days w/o a show
for the big guys, and that doesn't help keep performance levels up.

I think the rotating finals schedule is a fair idea - it is a much better
compromise than picking one city and keeping it.

Just my opinion,
Kelly



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From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: DMAE stops working
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:32:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
>After several happy months on 700-1050 mgs/day of DMAE Bitartrate (SOurce
>Naturals) it's effects seem to be wearing off. I no longer have that
>continual clarity buzz or have things right at hand.
>
>Has anyone else expereinced this? I tried upping the dosage but it didn't
>help. Should I try lowering the dosage? I miss my DMAE-head.
>
>Steven
>

	I have been taking considerably less DMAE (about 200 mg/day), but I
too have noticed that the short-term pick-me-up has disappeared after several
months of daily use.  I am, however, sleeping about 30 minutes less per day
than I used to.

	The utility of Dean and Morgenthaler's book would appear to be in
question by some people in this newsgroup.  However, I would point out that 
this continual, low-level stimulation effect is noted in their book.  The 
effect develops over "several weeks."  I had been taking DMAE for a few
months before I has a copy of this book, and I concur with its description
of the drug's effects.

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From: walker@skat.usc.edu (Michael D Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: DMAE
Date: 20 Aug 1992 18:20:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu
Keywords: good luck

Cathy W. writes:
>[...] I'm interested in the potential of this DMAE stuff.  I'm an engineer &
>had always been sharp, quick, and alert up until about a year ago.

>I don't think work has been hectic enough for me to be suffering a
>burn-out, but I can't seem to concentrate on my reading & work and am
>accomplishing nearly nothing these days.

Cathy,

I assume you don't waste any of your brain on alcohol.  Seriously:
Have you been in an accident or hit your head?  People sometimes have
what seems like a minor head injury but have real consequences.

>Will DMAE help this problem?

Maybe for you.  It's readily available.

>How do you obtain DMAE (I don't think it's carried in any stores, is it)?

It's legal and nonprescription.  (at least until the FDA has it's way)
Try a health food store.  Some mail order heath food sources also
carry it.

>What other things do people suggest?

Some people find it useful.  Not me, though.

Not that I know anything about these things, of course.....
but I recommend:

Piracetam
          - Considered a "smart pill".
            It may help the communication between the sides of the
            brain.  I know someone who thinks it helps concentration
            and memory.
          - Not sold in the US, but over the counter in many
            countries.  Travel aside, if you can get a doctor to give
            you a prescription, you can order from abroad for your
            personal use.
Hydergine (ergoloid mesylates)
          - Also considered a "smart pill".  Better know in the US.
          - Might help blood flow in the brain.  Might even help
            some neurons to repair themselves.
            Someone I know thinks it helps with memory and thinking.
          - I've heard it's now a prescription drug in the US, but
            over the counter in other countries.  Talk to your doc.
Ginkgo Biloba (herb)
          - Popular as a memory aide.
          - Best (expensive) brand is GinkGold.  Can help memory.
            I know someone who sometimes finds it really helps with
            concentration, but cannot figure out why only sometimes.
          - Over the counter at heath food stores.

All of the above were originally aimed at senility.  One problem is
that most US docs don't know about them.

There are many other things out there, such as Focus, but I cannot
comment on them.

Having recovered from a coma I can understand.  Cathy, good luck.

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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: vandelhg@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (MCG)
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group?
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: Vanderbilt
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:43:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.221458.7794@midway.uchicago.edu>,
gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) wrote:
> 
> 
> Pardon me, but this group seems redundant, what with alt.drugs around.
> Aren't all recreational drugs psychoactive? Is this group also about
> nondrug psychoactives, 'cause I haven't seen anything of that nature
> here in the few months I've been reading. Are smart drugs psychoactive?
> Is 'psychoactive' just being used as a euphamism or to make people here
> sound more sophisticated?
> 
> (I'm not trying to be abusive, just direct.)
> 
> Jake.
> -- 
> Reinheitsgebot <-- "Keep your laws off my beer!" <-- gal2@midway.uchicago.edu


		No, not all rec.drugs are psychoactives.  For example, alcohol is not
(what hallucinations you get are due to your body dying, not the substance
acting upon your brain).  Nicotine is not.  MJ is probably not.
		Psychoactives are drugs that act upon your brain, not your lungs or
liver.  For example, some psychoactives are:  LSD, STP, DMT, MDMA, and so
on.  As you can tell by the abbreviations, they are largely synthetic (tho'
may occur in nature -- I just mean that they are commercially produced by
synthesis).
		As for sounding sophisticated or using a euphemism -- even though
"psychoactives" is a long word, it is much shorter (& less
sophisticated-sounding) than calling this group:
		alt. LSD.DMAE.DMT.STP.MDMA.....  or even worse, using the full chemical
names.


MCG>
What?
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: DMAE
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:07:12 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <01GNTS4182E89JD9S6@Meena.CC.URegina.CA> SCHOLAR@MEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA writes:
>An older book (on drugs that don't work) said that DMAE, under the name Deaner,
>used to be available in the U.S. as antidepressant (of all things!) and for 
>children with 'attention deficit disorder'.   The only explanation I can think
>of for this is that they used to consider amphetamines antidepressants and must
>have 'reasoned' that any drug with any properties in common with amphetamines 
>must also be good for depression.  Ditto with 'attention deficit disorder'.

Right.  The drug is not an antidepressant, nor it is effective
in treating ADD, which is why it was withdrawn from the market.

-- 
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From: brent@myka.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent J. Krawchuk)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:21:11 GMT
Organization: Spontany Institute

(Bill Claussen) writes:
-----
> It was my impression that this group was started to discuss
> prescription type psychoactive drugs....not recreational
> drugs.  The whole problem seemed to be that a person had
> to wade through 99% of the stuff on alt.drugs to find 
> anything about prescription drugs.
 
Hey, you are talking about me ;-)

> It was my understanding that this group would be discussing
> drugs such as:  Prozac, Imiprimine, Anafrinal, Wellbutrin,
> etc.......drugs used in the treatment of certain illnesses.

Illnesses like habituation to reality, you mean? ;=)
The Rut syndrome? MIDS? (Mistaken Identity Deficiency Syndrome)
Actually, the antidepressives and antipsychotics fascinate me,
but that is only part of the picture. The brain is a way cool thing,
to use a nouveaux phraze.

> General talk would be of the nature of doses, overdoses,
> side effects, what works for some people and not for others,
> etc.

Exactly, Bill. Well, the more psychopharm in there, the better.
 
> I thought that the whole purpose of this group was that it
> was NOT going to discuss recreational drugs.

Discuss rec drugs in how they affect the brain, only. I could care 
less about roach clips. And discussions about our latest trips can
go to alt.drugs. 
 
> I could be wrong though.

Yep, you are partially right! But more generally, talk about psychoactive 
effects (objective) of any substance are welcome. 
I suppose I should repost the old charter. I'll do that when I get back
from a holiday.

Did I post this? Oh well. 
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From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: DMAE as "poison"
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:55:13 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

        My father read this one article i_Time_ about how Smart Drugs wre 
bogus and all that. Anyway, upon reading the bit about DMAE, he said that 
it was "poison" and the people using it are idiots. (He's an organic 
chemist who works on coatings for beer cans and the like.) What reason 
would he have to say this? I don't see alt.psychoactive'rs dropping from 
"poison."
        And good luck on the FAQ! (I know nothing, I can't contribute, 
sorry.)


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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: DMAE - info
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 06:36:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I know that someone is supposed to be putting a FAQ together,
but I am sort of impatient. Can someone give me some info
on DMAE.

What does it do?
Where do you get it?
Where can I find books, detailed info...?

Send the info to me, and I will take responsibility for putting
it into a FAQ,

Thanks

Mary


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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From: webber@world.std.com (Robert D Webber)
Subject: Re: Extreme reaction to DMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:45:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug6.111228.2825@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Having experimented with dimethyl tryptamine (DMT) and having
>seen its effects on maybe forty people, I had thought that I
>had gained some idea of its range of physical and mental
>effects. I had regarded the descriptions of smoking this
>drug given by Terrence McKenna with some skepticism,
>although acknowledging that it is potentially a much more
>intense hallucinogen, especially in a visual way, than LSD,
>and that the experience can be frightening and uncomfortable
>as well as euphoric.
>
[...report of external reactions deleted...]
>
>It is very hard to put the visions and feelings of DMT into
>words, and I only remember a few of the things that she
>said afterwards, but she said that within seconds she saw
>the entire room covered in highly geometrical flower-like
>patterns. She then went to look at her hands, and at that
>point, lost total control and left the regular universe
>entirely. She claims that during most of the experience
>she had no control whatsover over her body, was very
>frightened, and in a completely different world. One
>metaphor she used was that of being inside the famous
>pinball cartoon from Sesame Street "123-45,678-9 10,11-12".
>We had some soft music playing (This Mortal Coil) and
>she says that the pulsating geometric visions she had
>were in sync with and controlling the music.

I have never seen the "pinball cartoon," but also had a very strong
reaction to (in my case) 5-MeO-DMT including long-lasting intense
nausea and a feeling I'd lost control of my body.  In my case,
the music was slowing down and speeding up in a kind of peristaltic
rhythm and this effect did seem to be synchronized with the
pulsations of geometric patterns.

[...]
>I would like to hear from anyone who has had or observed
>similar experiences to this. I am interested in possible
>explanations as to why there should be such a huge
>difference in an individual's response to this drug.

I haven't tried the drug in the eight years or so since that one
experience.  My height is about 188 cm and weight would have been
about that of 110 kg at that time.  The other person who was
present had a mild and pleasant trip from about the same size
dose; she was significantly smaller and lighter than me.

>Jeremy
>jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au

Bob


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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: rigler@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Michael A. Rigler)
Subject: Re: DMAE stops working
Organization: IFA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:21:05 GMT

(Kent Williams) writes:
(Michael A. Rigler):
>> (Steven Hodas) writes:
>> 
>> I am experiencing a similar phenomena after only 2 months on 1050mgs/day
>> of DMAE Bitartrate (Source Naturals).  I no longer have the continual
>> clarity, and I feel like I need 8 hours of sleep again.
>> 
>
>I'm a 230 LB Adult and I got results with < 1/2G a day of DMAE.  Do you
>think maybe a gram a day is a little excessive?

Of course it's excessive.  But my *job* is excessive.  I wouldn't take 
any dietary supplements or stimulants at all if I didn't need to work 
80+ hours per week to finish my dissertation.  I'd go surfing instead.

I have endured severe stress, lack of sleep and coffee addiction on an
almost continuous basis for several years.  A few months ago I began 
taking 1 gram of DMAE per day and I experienced immediate improvements
in every respect.  I chose that dosage because it was roughly within the 
general consensus for "useful" dosages being discussed by this newsgroup
(700-1150 grams -- i.e., 2-3 of the Source Naturals pills).  I didn't 
have time to test dosages or run double blind tests -- I needed help 
fast, and I got it.

Unfortunately, it stopped working after two months, so I've quit
taking it entirely.  I'll just have to endure this next month without
it.  Fortunately I've got a head start: after two months spent taking 
DMAE instead of guzzling cups of black coffee, I feel great!

					Can't wait to graduate,
					        Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:31:34 GMT

In article <vandelhg-140892103937@129.59.50.0> vandelhg@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (MCG) writes:
>No, not all rec.drugs are psychoactives.  For example, alcohol is not
>(what hallucinations you get are due to your body dying, not the substance
>acting upon your brain).  Nicotine is not.  MJ is probably not.
>Psychoactives are drugs that act upon your brain, not your lungs or
>liver.  For example, some psychoactives are:  LSD, STP, DMT, MDMA, and so
>on.  As you can tell by the abbreviations, they are largely synthetic (tho'
>may occur in nature -- I just mean that they are commercially produced by
>synthesis).
>	As for sounding sophisticated or using a euphemism -- even though
>"psychoactives" is a long word, it is much shorter (& less
>sophisticated-sounding) than calling this group:
>alt. LSD.DMAE.DMT.STP.MDMA.....  or even worse, using the full chemical
>names.

You have a pretty dumb definition of "psychoactive".  Alcohol,
nicotine and marijuana are all psychoactive by any reasonable
definition of the word.  "Psychoactive" does not mean "psychedelic"
or "hallucinogenic".  "Psychoactive" means that it affects the
brain in some fashion to exert a change from its functioning
without the drug.

I was never too impressed by the rationale for creating alt.psychoactives
rather than discussing such topics in alt.drugs, but generally speaking, this
group isn't designed for the discussion of recreational drugs, per se,
but intends to cover a wider set of topics, certainly including traditional
recreational drugs, but also so-called nootropic drugs, as well as the
psychoactive effects of medically-approved drugs.

-- 
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From: cw@socket.intel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: DMAE
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:07:44 GMT
Reply-To: cw@socket.intel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Organization: OSTE, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

I've just started reading this newsgroup, so forgive me for asking a FAQ,
but I'm interested in the potential of this DMAE stuff.  I'm an engineer &
had always been sharp, quick, and alert up until about a year ago.  I don't
think work has been hectic enough for me to be suffering a burn-out, but 
I can't seem to concentrate on my reading & work and am accomplishing nearly
nothing these days.  I'm sort of an insomniac, so that may be part of the
problem, but even when sleep is good, I still can't seem to focus & things
don't come quickly to me these days - not to mention the bad memory.  I
started going to grad school part time a year ago too, so it's just more
stress to perform & I ain't cutting it.

I've heard the amino acid tyrosine can help, but I'd like something better.

Will DMAE help this problem?
How do you obtain DMAE (I don't think it's carried in any stores, is it)?
What other things do people suggest?

I need to pull out of this slump, so I can respect myself & what I know again
& can regain the respect of co-workers.  Maybe email would be better to
respond to this, unless other new people in the group would benefit.

Thanks in advance -

Cathy Watkins
cw@socket.intel.com