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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:52:56 GMT

dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>	Are you serious or just joking? I don't see how the period and
>comma can have reversed meanings, Many countries use different formats
>for dates. but that is irrelevant of punctuation, I did think that
>was funny. though,

	As far as I am aware, I think the  ,  is used as a mantissa
-fraction separator in European countries.  Last time I read something
about the SI units, they said there were only three valid forms for
making such a separator - a comma, a floor period, and a mid period.
Initally the floor period was preferred - but now modern practice is to
have fully blocked paragraphs and remove most commas from text, so that
the comma makes sense for use in numbers!  Especially for sentences ending
with a number.  The sentence 3,5.  Rather than 3.5.  Of course the British
habit of using the mid-point is less of a change - but impossible to do on
this terminal :)
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:25:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1amut0INN8cd
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <4xpzgxb@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>(Why can't there be any GOILS who tink like I doo?)   8)

There are, silly.  There's literally HUNDREDS of them in London alone.
Unfortunately, they're usually sitting over ledges...  big, heavy
stone ones with wings and fangs and...  Yup.  Lots of GOYLES there.  :)

>"OOOO.. look.. it's got more colors... not a lot more, but more. And... ooooo,

Eight planes instead of 6/4/2(ecs), out of 25 bits of color data rather than
13.  I'd say it's a BIG improvement.

Greg

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:25:02 GMT

In article <1a6duvINNmnk@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
|> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
|> : How much more expensive **IS** a 68020? I'd bet the chip itself is under $100
|> : now, and I'd be SHOCKED if it's over $200. So, for the extra $100, we could
|> : have a 68020-based Amiga. It's worth it, believe me!
|> 
|> If a 68020 is $100 in mass quantity, then it's >20x more expensive
|> than a 68000.  See the point?

Ratios are just plain stupid in most applications. It's STILL cheap, and as a
portion of the entire computer's cost it is inconsequential. You wanna play 
number games? OK.. If a 68000 A500 costs $400, and a 68020-based A500 would cost 
$500, ISN'T it 125% better????? I'd say it's more than TWICE as good!

|> : Oh, come on! Bet you think the breakup of the Soviet Union is just another 
|> : Commie plot, too. I just lost what little respect I had for you.
|> 
|> You just don't seem to get it, do you?  NewTek went against printed
|> specifications that existed before the first Zorro II system was even
|> released.  Now, if you can't understand that, you need to go and buy
|> the Hardware Reference Manual, a ruler, and a Toaster.  Some of us
|> already know what you'll find:  You'll find Newtek is wrong.

I NEVER said NewTek was right. I agree, they broke the rules and paid for it.
But the idea that they HAD the A3000 and DELIBERATELY (or just out of sheer
laziness...) didn't build the toaster to fit is paraniod delusion.

|> : The implication being that "yesteryear's technology" is inferior to present
|> : technology, which it is.
|> 
|> AGA isn't yesteryears technology, and it's just about the fastest
|> graphics system available, in terms of capabilities within the range
|> of personal computing.

We were talking about the 1985 Paula chip... definitely yesteryear's technology.

|> Greg

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From: brett@visix.com (Brett Bourbin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: brett@visix.com
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia

In article <9685@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>  
peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> In article <haley.717311903@unixg.ubc.ca> haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross  
MacGregor) writes:
> >
> >Speaking of breaking rules, why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that
> >Commodores '040 card does not fit in the A3000!? 
> 
> As I heard it they put the blame on Motorola for this: The card would  
have
> fit into the A3000, if the 040 would have the specified power  
consumption.
> But finally it needs much more power than announced and much bigger  
cooling 
> facilities and these are the ones that cause mechanical problems with  
the 
> A3000.

Funny, this sounds very similar to what NewTek was saying about the A3000  
with the Video Toaster.  8^)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:23:35 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com's message of 25 Sep 92 18:57:43 GMT

>>>>> On 25 Sep 92 18:57:43 GMT, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) said:

> The real question is, given the operations that the Atari blitter implements,
> can a 68030/40 running in the A3000/A4000 "fast memory" environment do them
> as fast or faster than the Atari in the 14M shared memory context.  If not,
> then it's not a significant architectural advantage...

If you want to use the CPU for something different at the same time, it is.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave _IS_ God.  (was Re: Here's one for ya...)
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (9/19/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Sep 92 03:34:58 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep21.074623.28765@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
> :   What's that?  What did you say!  That's BLASPHEMY!!!
> :   I'll feed you to the DOGS for that bit of untruth
> :   garbage!	Dave _IS_ GOD!
>
> Well, Dave, it looks like you have your first groupie.  :)
>

NO, I AM DAVE'S FIRST GROUPIE!

"CBM Sucks, DaveH is GOD."  That's MY line.


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> (:     you all need to be screwed more often." -Dave Haynie         :)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a4000 specs? who know
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:52 EST


Dave Haynie Writes,

DH>Not bloody likely.  No matter how you slice it, a SCSI interface is going to
DH>cost plenty more than an IDE interface.  The main point of IDE is that it should
DH>be approximately free.  Even cheap-ass Mac-like 8-bit PIO SCSI is going to run
DH>you $10 or so for the SCSI controller.  Certainly having both would cost more
DH>than just one, though the IDE cost may be lost in the noise.

DH>IDE on the A600 makes perfect sense.  Not only do you not pay anything for it
DH>(cost is a very important element in any system these days, but particularly
DH>the low end machines), but virtually all the shrink drives that will fit in an
DH>A600 are IDE based, since they were originally designed for PC laptops, all of
DH>which use IDE.  There just isn't room inside an A600 for a full sized drive.

 I agree 100%! I own an Amiga 3000 and an IBM 386. When shopping around for
harddrives I find that IDE drives cost less then a simular SCSI drive and you
usually get more storage for your money. 
 
 PS: Now that the Amiga 4000 has been announced with the new AGA custom chipset.
     Can you tell us if it's possible to use the AGA chipset in an Amiga 3000.
     And if it's possible to add the AGA chipset in an Amiga 500/2000/3000. 
     Even if Commodore doesn't offer such an upgrade, do you think it's possible
     for a 3rd party company to develop a work around?

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  To all Amigans!!! And NATO !!!
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:13:15 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <d0per.717872878@dtek.chalmers.se> d0per@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Hiller) writes:
>jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
>
>>>>To all the people of Finland. We want SANTA CLAUS back before dawn or else 
>>>>we will get NATO to nuke you off the map.
>>>	
>>>	Well, it didn't take long for the germans to take over Norway
>>>	in WWII. Obviusly things are better now in their army, since
>>>	they can be so offensive ;)
>
>>Talking of WWII :
>
>>Denmark was overtaken in a matter of hours !!! That _must_ be some
>>kind of record ...
>
>>But the Swedes was the worst, a bunch of neutral f*cking cowards !!!
>
>I fully agree! It is a dark spot in our history. Another sad part of our
>history is when we lost Norway. :-)

Ah, but that saved you from the heartbreak of lutefisk.

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <92274.092758DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <u894776.717825905@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way
> Mail) says:
> 
> >gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> 
> >>Then I'll state that you've never used or programmed under 2.04.
> >        Try using an amiga with 512k and one floppy disk drive [no harddrive]
> 
> >        Sure it would be good if users didnt have these setups,
> >but they do - and all those other machines I mentioned work
> >extremely well in the base setup - the amiga does not.
> 
> >        The trouble as I see it is that the engineers that commodore/amiga
> >had were *too* experienced with well structured, hard disk dependent
> 
> I used an Amiga with one floppy (no hard drive) from '85-'87, so I know
> how unusable it is. AmigaDOS is designed for hard drives, plain and simple.
> I don't think there's any chance of that changing.

I don't know why you would claim this.  The Amiga was around for a long time
with *no* hard disks.  Remember the A1000?  Commodore never even sold a hard
drive for this system though eventually we gave up on thrird party attempts
(remember Tecmar?) and did a prototype of what eventually became the A2090
controller.

On the other hand, why be proud of using a single-drive system?  This is
never any thing but a misery, and I have little sympathy for someone who
runs in this mode and complains about speed!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:54:02 GMT

In <1992Sep28.070721.4367@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	While 16 bit sound would be nice, isn't there a lot of overhead with
>	it.  I think an uncompressed sound file would be about 700k/sec if
>	my math isn't way off.

No. At CD quality it is <140k/s  (44.1k/s x 2 bytes per sample x stereo).
That's why your average CD-ROM reads with 150k/s just to be fast enough :)

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:46:55 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <53697@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.232145.7396@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
>>[various stuff about bleeps and bloops]
>>Also, you can attach sounds to various actions in Windows, such as an
>>error beep, or when the system starts up or shuts down.
>
>	I have my computer set up so that every time it "beeps", it
>shuts down.  This is a great time saver.
>
>                                                        Dan

That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.  Imagine... shut down
when it beeps!  I guess I have to bring up the obvious problem here...

If it shuts down, how do you know if it beeped or not?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:23:18 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <nqpz+7=@rpi.edu>, danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.003827.22001@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> |> Around '88 or '89, I bought an 020 and 881 for ~$40 each from the Freddy
> |> Kruger Company (or something like that).  The chips worked great in a
> |> CSA Midget Racer system running at 7.16MHz and even worked at 14.32MHz
> |> when the MR was piggybacked atop a CMI Processor Accelerator.  I believe
> |> that the chips may have been some sort of reject, but the only defect that
> |> I found was that the top was scratched and very dull.  I haven't priced 

	I have a 68020rc16 in my electronics 'junk' box that I paid $25 for.
	I bought it from a guy that buys surplus electronics, takes of the 
	valuable parts and resells them.  I think these guys by stuff by
	the pound.

	The chips are still good.  They just may of come from a network 
	box or something that was not worth repairing. Probably All the 
	drives or the power supply crapped out or something.
	
> |> Skip Sauls
> |> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
> 
> =======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
> --------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:52:40 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <u894776.717808655@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>
>> When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
>>as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
>>on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
>>slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       
>
>Finally!  Someone on this group who isnt saying that having a well designed
>OS is good enough - you need a usable OS as well.
>
>Lets face it - some people bought STs merely because lots of software
>ran better on an ST than an Amiga.  Better - as in faster and more usable.
>Compare a minimum configuration A500, versus an ST or Archimedes, or even
>an old 8 bit machine like the BBC Microcomputer.  Which machine is the least
>usable - which machine has the slowest [perceived] disk accesses, which machine
>has the most awkward and ugly GUI?
>
>	Its a pity the machine with the best hardware comes out worst eh?

I remember when the ST and the A1000 came out.  I was in an interesting
position because 5 people I knew bought the A1000 and 4 people that I knew
bought the 520ST.  

The 520ST was fairly shakey in terms of quality.  There was at least one
way that the system could be locked up by clicking with the mouse on a
certain part of the screen.  I tried this myself, and it worked.  The guys
who bought these boxes wanted more memory.  It seemed that the best way
was to piggyback memory chips on top of the original 512k.  So all 4
systems had their warrantees violated in the first week.  A friend of mine
decided that he wanted to add a hard disk to his since the Atari had a port
for a SCSI controller.  The port was completely non-standard, so he had to
design and build a circuit board to go between the ST and the SCSI controller.
He stopped fooling with this system about 6 months after he got it, and it
has been in a closet ever since.  Of the original 4 machines, 1 ended up in
the closet, 1 ended up running OS-9 fulltime, and the other 2 were eventually
sold.

The people that I knew who bought the A1000 seemed to have had better luck.
They all kept their machines for at least a year.  One of them sold his to
trade up to an A3000.  Three of them are still in use by their original
owners.  And the other two are being used by people that I know.  They have
added SCSI controllers, hard disks, and lots of memory.

From looking at the two groups of people, it appears that the Amiga people
enjoyed the A1000 and have stuck with Commodore.  The Atari people weren't
all that happy with their systems, and most of them have PC clones now.

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:51:58 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Oct5.065836.4542@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	BTW, has anybody used Amigas in a network environment, sharing files
>	running apps off of servers, hooking up to VMS, unix etc.? 
>	How well do they work?  Just currious.

Fine. We're doing it here all the time. We have some UNIX boxes (Amigas
*and* PCs) and all our Amigas hooked to them. One of the UNIX Amigas holds
a big HD with much commonly used stuff, others serve as communication
nodes. Very fast and convenient.

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From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Allowed?)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 06:08:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   I just checked back into the group for some quick reading and just had to
write you a short note here. I find your constant need to knock others quite
disturbing. I would also kindly ask that you not distort the facts when using
other's names. Our "conversation", if you will remember, consisted of you
trying to play some form of God-like moderator role in past and present. I
seldom resort to names, but in this case I feel very justified in calling you
a complete snob- one who considers himself socially superior and condescends
to those he considers to be his inferiors. I would again kindly ask that you
stop looking down your nose at others. You do not own this group and thus you
should not constantly whine whenever your "high" standards are not met.
 
 I am an Amiga advocate, yet I so no reason why Atari users who wish to
discuss the Atari Falcon should not be allowed to post clean, civil messages
here. After all, this is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, so discussions on this new
Falcon are a valuable meter to judge our new Amigas by. Sticking our heads in
the sand will not make the competition go away. Again, I am all for these
types of discussions in the right group and the proper way. Now, if you still
desire to knock others for whatever lacking personal reasons, I suggest you
carry it to a place like alt.egos.inflate. Thank you for your time.
 
 Tom
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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:51 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:

> >And, on top of that, my A500 (which is now one giant hardware hack) is layin
> >on the floor in pieces and I'm accessing Internet news using a borrowed
> >Apple II!  Now top that!
> 
> Listen, man.... I assembled my A500 from kit form, using a disassembled
> hairdryer to solder the pieces together. I had to take out another student
> loan last week just to buy a pack of floppy disks. And I access Internet by
> secretly opening up the fiberoptic cables near my house and plugging in a
> terminal! HA!

Well... Take this! I access this group by using an old (1986) XT with 
512 KB memory (which don't even work well) and a 2400 BPS modem. I have 
a monochrome hercules display. And this is absolutley true.

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