From: muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:37:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr9.003701.3902
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr8.221210.20447@apollo.hp.com> smith_w@apollo.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.195454.27979@en.ecn.purdue.edu> muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
>>So God intended for some males to stick their !@#$!@ up another males
>>#$@#$234.... To what end?  I think it is _very_ clear that this was not
>>intended behavior.  As always I refer only to the sex act.  Sorry to be
>>graphic about it.

>Not a problem...I take it you also view hetrosexual anal sex
>as bad?  How about oral sex, a man fingering a woman to orgasm,
>a woman giving a man a "hand job", a woman using a vibrator,
>or a man using one on a woman?  For that matter, how about
>sex between 2 women?

Yes, yes, yes, yes.... Bad in that they are indulgent in nature and fleshly
in origin.  I equate all these things with getting wasted.

>Does "to what end" mean sex is only for procreation?   Or is
>only acceptable if procreation can occur?  How about birth
>control?  Rythem method?
>
>As you can see, there's a lot more to the question than
>"THE BIBLE SAYS SO!!!!!!"
>
>Can you offer any insight on those things?

I think I posted somewhat of a clarification, but here goes again...

Heterosexual sex was designed by God as a gift to man which would strengthen
the spiritual bond between man and wife as well as provide for reproduction.
As with any gift, Satan seeks to pervert it so that it may become a "god" for
the lost and a stumbling block for the saved.  Most good things that God has
put in our lives can be warped and twisted - usually by overindulgence.
Because God did not intend homosexual behavior (or deviant heterosexual
behavior) I hold that gay persons do not receive the spiritual
bond-strengthening through sex that a man and a woman do in marriage.  Rather
the experience is one which satisfies only the fleshly nature of man when we
should be focusing on the Spirit.  The union between man and woman is blessed
and has spiritual fortitude while the union between two men is a perversion
of this inspired by you know who...  Thus the sex act between two people of
the same sex does not fulfill the purposes of God (obvious or spiritual) and
should not be practiced by the Christian _for his/her own good_.  This is no
more damning than any other sin, and was payed for by Christ's death, but the
homosexual Christian is usually not intent on overcoming this fleshly nature,
but rather on justifying it.  This is dangerous in that it may decrease their
effectiveness for Christ, cause them psychological duress, lead others
astray, etc.  This is why it is worth focusing on more than, say, eating the
wrong types of meat (OT Law).

All of this assumes that the homosexual has no choice in the matter which I
am NOT convinced of by any stretch of the imagination. (If you respond to
this also respond to the above please out of courtesy.)  IF this is correct,
than these people are called to be as Paul was - single without the burden of
the world and able to focus on the Spirit.

I think all I have said is equally relevant to heterosexual behavior, and the
reason this aspect tends to be overlooked is that our society has become numb
to it, which is not so with homosexuality - yet.  Of course this doesn't make
heterosexual mis-behavior any less damaging.

Hope I am not mis-representing God on this -- may I suggest that anyone who
is concerned about his issue pray about it and see what the bible has to say
to them....

John M.
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