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From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 08:57:16 GMT

banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:


>You probably  have never heard of the Sheikh Abdullah-Mrs.Gandhi pact
>wherein the elected leader of Kashmir accepted the provisions of the
>Indian Constitution, including the fact that Kashmir was an inalienable 
>part of India and 1/3rd of it continues to be under Pakistani occupation.

>Sheikh Abdullah's National Conference party was relected in the next
>election by an overwhelming majority. That is as good a referendum as any
>you are ever likely to get about the future of Kashmir from it's people.

>And talking of elections, the people of Kashmir have participated in the
>Indian electoral process and it's elected representatives have sworn by the
>Constitution. If that is not an acceptance of Kashmir's accession to India
>then I fail to see what is.

>Samit


Yes, this is the question I was waiting for the long time.

India has manupilated the election process as good as referendum.

When Shaikh Abdullah stood for the people of Kashmiris right he was sent
to jail.

Bye
Adil
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30848 soc.culture.pakistan:14629
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:25:50 GMT
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1992Sep10.173717.4158@twg.com>, khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan) writes:
> Somehow the story of Salman Rushdie will be thrown in the 
> face of the Muslims time after time.  Salman Rushdie's 
> novel was funded for the very same reason that many of us
> are unaware of.     
> 
> Picture this; a novel writer who is not even critically 
> acclamed receives a grant to mass produce his novel from 
> Penguin books.  This would seem a bit out of the normal.
> 


He was certainly not a best-selling author but he had his set of
fans and was not by any measure unknown.




> Secondly, his book is written in a time prior to the Gulf 
> war around the time when the Soviet Union is at its breaking
> point.  At the same time, the language that used to be thought
> to the CIA (Russian) changes its curriculum to Arabic.  
> 
> In my opinion, the book was simply another tool used and 
> defended by the big 5 who have the power to veto any bill 
> passed in the UN, to get a consensus of:         
> 
> 1) The Islamic reaction around the world
> 2) To which levels would muslims go to in order to defend Islam
> 3) What are the numbers of Muslims in and around Europe. 
> 


Your conclusions really seem fantastic and without any credible evidence.
I've no doubt that the west now percieves the muslim world as being potentially
troublesome for them and hence we will see greater western involvement in
these muslim countries.
But the conclusions which you draw appear improbable because there are other
more effective methods available with the west to achieve these objectives.



> And I believe, that Rushdie's book has acheived it's goal.  But
> the problem lies with our Muslims today who would fall for this
> trap.


Allegation without any evidence.


> 
> In Salman's book, a double-standard manisfests itselt too.  Today
> one will not find the book "Protocols of Zion" in any book store.
> Why?  Is that not what one may call "A work of fiction"?  Oh No!
> It is "hate literaure".  Well, tell that to a Muslim about Salman's
> book, and he won't agree more.



You have a point here about double standards being practised by the 
non-muslim world.



> 
> As far as I am concerned, the big five are out to wage war against 
> Islam in a way never perceived before, and if we Muslims are not 
> ready for it (and I include Pakistanis), you may well see Pakistan
> as the next Iraq.
> 


You seem to display the same paranoia which grips a lot of muslims around
the world. This results in creating new problems for the muslims rather than
tackling the actual problems.



> My opinions and your comments.
> 
> Sharaaz Khan
> 
>  
> 



--Javed.
From: ghosh@cs.pitt.edu (Sunondo Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Information wanted about hardware tech park in India
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:36:28 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


I read the following news in misc.news.southasia. Does anyone know where 
and how I can get more information about this announcement?

I have included all the relevant information that appeared in the original
posting.

Thanks,

Sunondo
(ghosh@cs.pitt.edu)

Article: 923 of misc.news.southasia
From: blrv1@verifone.com (M.G.Balakrishna Rao)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Organization: VeriFone, Bangalore

From	: M.G.Balakrishna Rao
Source	: Deccan Herald
Date	: Sept 11, 1992

HARDWARE TECH PARK SCHEME ANNOUNCED
NEW DELHI- A new scheme for electronic hardware technology park (EHTP)
to make India a major base for international operations in the field of
electronics hardware was announced here today.
Giving details of the scheme, the Minister of Science and Technology
Mr.P.R.Kumaramangalam told press conference that EHTP can be set up
by state governments public or private sector companies. The parks can
import components and capital goods duty free and they can have access
to the domestic market under certain limits.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor,P303,2124)
Subject: Re: Speeding Ticket
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:49:58 GMT


Question on Speeding Tickets in PA ...

I've heard the fines are very stiff in PA, even for light infringements...

Does PA have point system like other states as well ? 

I know that NY state has no "treaty" with PA for supply of info

on any violations committed by non-residents in either state.



Any commments ?


Rajat Kapoor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians/Susan Forgach/abortion
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:37:59 GMT

	To satya prabhakar

	abortion was never a major political issue before. It was more of a moral issue. Refer "Roe v wade, is it moot" in Time magazine.  With wide support of women for clinton who is pro-abortion, abortion became a major political issue. Bush ... republicans have always stressed family values. Where does one put pro-abortion with family values. For the last twenty years under the republicans, abortion clinics have existed but largely governed by the moral undercurrents in roe v wade. Blaming bush... for making 


it political is partly correct. Thought you might want to know.

Also, personally I prefer pro-life with restrictions. Yes, you are correct. A foetus is foetus is a foetus.

shiv.   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: news@Ugle.Unit.NO (:-,)
Subject: Nitya/s abortion 
Keywords: 3.,heia heia,saayaa,Water C
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:05:36 GMT

In article <chaw.715913812@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, chaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (S. S. Chawathe) writes:
 > shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan) writes:
 > 
 > >       Most successfull Indians come from families who have
 > strong family values. They know how much support the family pro-
 > vides in their most depressed moments. Compare american families
 > and indian families. You can see a lot of difference. President
 > bush has refered to the indian families as the model that ameri-
 > can fathers need to look upto and learn. Behind everysuccessful
 > person is a family that supports him/her and has supported
 > him/her to the hilt. This is to address your question of the fear
 > 
 > And all this `inspite of' abortion being legal in India.
 > Perhaps you're confusing two issues here?
 > 
 > -- 
 > 
 > _________________________________________________________________
 > Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi

 bye
 Adil
From: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ROMANIAN AIRLINES INFO
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:36:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu

In article <BuBwo0.IxA@andy.bgsu.edu> abharad@andy.bgsu.edu (STING) writes:
>Travelling by Romanian Airlines ...... I personally would not do it .
>   Two of my friends did and had to spend quality time at the airport in
> Romania ....minimal heating . One of them had his luggage send to god knows
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, they have improved ! Last time there was no heating.

-Sandip
From: yerneni@ctron.com (Seshu Yerneni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Movie on Big Bull ( Harshad Mehta )
Keywords: movie, scandal
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:35:47 GMT
Reply-To: yerneni@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.,  Rochester,  NH


            Movie on Big Bull ( Harshad Mehta )
            -----------------------------------

Producer Mahesh Butt has announced his plans to make the
movie on the Indian stock market scandal.  Naseeruddin Shah
will be acting in the lead role, and story is likely to be
sympathetic towards Mehta.


Source: News India  ( 09/11/92 )
From: ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Youth Forum Sep. 19 (AIA) in New York
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:16:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


On September 19, 1992, the Association of Indians in American (AIA) will be
celebrating their 25th anniversary at the Marriot Marquis Hotel in Manhattan.
In the afternoon there will be a panel discussion on education and career
choices as pertains to Indian youth in America.  If you are interested in
participating (panelist or audience) please contact me.  Your suggestions
of knowledgeable people in various fields as panelists are also invited.
Thanks.

Balamurali K. Ambati
Jayakrishna Ambati
ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 18:39:21 GMT

In article <lasbmsINNo2q@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.085716.26499@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>>banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
>
>
>If you are talking about the elections in 1988, you may have a point. But the
>Sheikh Abdullah-Mrs Gandhi pact took place way before that and the National
>Conference won a landslide victory in 1972 after that accord was signed.
>If you care to read your history and not manufacture it from the figments of
>your imagination, you will know as much.
>
>That election FYI sir, was not rigged and your attempts to potray it as such
>shows complete ignorance of Kashmiri history.
>
>
>
>>When Shaikh Abdullah stood for the people of Kashmiris right he was sent
>>to jail.
>
>No he was sent to jail for sedition---for supporting groups advocating that
>Kashmir be joined with Pakistan.


He was imprisoned, after being arrested for the murder in jail of Shyamaprasad
Mukherjee, who was the leader of the Hindu Mahasabha at that time.  The reason
wh he had been arrested was because of the fact,  that he had entered Kashmir,
in defiance of Sheikh Abdullah's writ that no Indian would be allowed to enter
Kashmir.


Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:45:07 GMT

dhar@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sanjay Dhar) writes:


>>Ans.1: Kashmiris would ask both army should pull out before plebiscit.
>>A.2 This is very critical question because the correct news of Kashmiri
>>   minorities left Kashmir for what reasons is still debated with 
>>  different ideas. 

>Is still deabated ???? Only for you. Go to delhi/jammu and try asking any of 
>the kashmiri's living in camps as to why they left kashmir, the only place 
>they had ever lived in for generations and generations.


Does only the Minority came out of Kashmir?

Were not Muslims came out?

Who ever supporting to India has left Kashmir and that is a small 
percentage of Kashmiris.


>>  Suppose we consider that Kashmiris are 
>driven out by militiant then>  JKLF, a secular party, having wide popularity 
>among Kashmiris will >  take all measurements to take back Minorities.


>JKLF is secular??? If they have not been making demands to join pak, that 
>does not make them secular.
JKLF is secular and it stands for the majority of KAshmiris' wish.
If Kashmiris ask to join Pakistan or India or Soverigne state.

>>A.3. As far as I know most Kashmiris support JKLF, a secular party.
>>    If Kashmirs are selecting Islamic Fundamentalist party then they are
>>   blowing axes on their lags because....
>>   Kashmiris main income is from toursit and Carpet business.
>>   For tourist they have to provide all means.
>>   Eventhough Kashmir being Muslim dominated there is no ban on alcohol.


>Some of the first acts of terrorists was to close down all movie theatres,
>and bars with actual violence like coming in and breaking all liquor bottles 
>and threatening the owners.

The freedom fighter/terrorists aligned with religious party had done this.

But they started doing this only in the last few years when their wish
remained unheard for many decades.


>>A.4 Pakistan is a big question but India is not 
>less.>    Who knows what is hidden in the heart of both land?
>>   In India it seems BJP , a party believing in Akhannd Bharat, may come 
>>  to power and tomorrow it may take control over Pakistan.
>>  I am not trying to give round about answer of this question.
>>  Once again,
>>Who knows what is hidden in the heart of both land which has made KAshmir as
>>their colony?


>>Bye
>>Adil

>dhar@oregon.uoregon.edu
>home:(503)-345-3556   off:(503)-346-4762


Dhar:
When someone supressed for many years and  suppressed person then
take a step which is not wished by the supresser then it is not the fault 
of the supressed person.
So in case of Kashmir/Khalistan freedom fighters are not wrong.



If India has acheived freedom by non-violence then it does not mean that
anyone who want to acheive freedom form India should take the same way 
as India had taken.

India has supported to PLO for many years and is still supporting.
As all of know PLO has started its freedom movement not by non-violence.
ANC too.

Bye
Adil
From: sarwate@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Dilip V. Sarwate)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Tax implications of donating to India
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:13:04 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

kseshadr@oracle.uucp (Krishnan Seshadri) writes:

>Does anyone know the tax implications of donating money to India, when
>the institution you want to donate to is probably not known to the IRS ?

Money or property donated to a foreign organization DOES NOT qualify as a
charitable contribution for U.S. tax purposes, regardless of the nature of the
organization.  It cannot be deducted on Schedule A (or elsewhere) of your U.S.
income tax return.  Thus, a contribution to UNICEF is not tax-deductible.  On
the other hand, a contribution to the U.S. Committee for UNICEF is deductible
since the Committee is properly registered as a non-profit organization in the
U.S.  If you are looking for a tax deduction, you might want to channel your
donation through some U.S.-registered organization such as the India Abroad
Foundation, or the Himalayan Earthquake Relief Fund, or ...  (this is not
intended to be an endorsement of these entities).

I don't know if there is a gift tax implication, but if your donation is indeed
that big, you can afford to consult a lawyer about the matter  :-)  :-).

>Is there some formal way of proving that you donated X dollars to a non-
>profit organization ? 

A cancelled cheque is the best way, I suppose.  However, the IRS doesn't care to
know the details.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vish@nd.edu (Vishwamber Yelsangikar)
Subject: HELP WANTED FROM FOLLOWING UNIVERSITIES.
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Uni or Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:24:13 GMT

Hello, 

This is for the guys from the following universities.
Could you please help me 

Kentucky University @Lexington
West Virginia Uni@Morgantown
University of Texas@Dallas
Clemson Uni@Clemson
Uni of Texas@Arlington

Could some one reply to me to vish@nd.edu

Thanks....

Vishwamber Yelsangikar
Network Engineer.
Notre Dame.

Go Bills!!!!
Go Irish!!!!
From: anand@taj.rice.edu (Anand Dabak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign (Why no one has answered?)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 17:37:53 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

Mr. Adil in his reply to my answer to his question keeps on thumping the same points. Instead of trying to understand 
what I am talking I have a feeling he he picking up a word ot two here and there and replying to those couple of 
words. He is not trying to understand I think the overall point I am trying to make. Hence I am trying to objectively
enumerate the points I am trying to make. I request him to understand the article COMPLETELY and not in parts.
1) He claims that Kashmir is a colony of India like India was for Britain.
	I disagree with it completely because
a) Britain did not consider India a PART of their country, rather Britain was separate and India was separate
(not in geographic sense, but in a political sense). The point I made before and I am making again is that
we cannot consider India as separate from its constituent parts, because without the consittuent parts it does not
exist.

2) I believe that Mr. Adil's wish and dream is to break India into parts and not just the so called "independence"
of Kashmir. Thus he does not want to "liberate" Kashmiris but, he believes in the very uprooting of the fundamental 
notion on which India is based, that is, unity in diversity.

To summarize, the difference between  Britain's rule over India and the existing framework in India is that
India was considered as a part of British empire. In India there is no empire, there is just a country which 
stands simply because of the constituent parts. If the parts are not there, the country is not there!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Update on Justice Bains
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473300008:000:769
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Sep  9 10:13:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Update on Justice Bains

/* Written  5:06 pm  Sep  8, 1992 by hrcoord in cdp:ai.uan */


2 September 1992
Further information on UA 115/92 (7 April 1992) - and
follow-up: 15 April 1992 - Illegal detention / Fear of Ill-
treatment
INDIA: Ajit Singh Bains, human rights activist and retired
       judge

Amnesty International has recently learned that Justice Ajit
Singh Bains was released on bail on 18 August 1992. After
his release, Justice Bains asked that his deepest gratitude
be conveyed to all those who had worked on the campaign for
his release.

Until we receive further details about his release, no
further action is required from the UA network. Many thanks
to all of you who sent appeals on his behalf.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Subject: Shabhana adjudged best actress 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:37:46 GMT


Source	: All India Radio, 9/14/92, 17387 khz 


Indian film actress Shabhana Azmi was adjudged the best actress at the
third international film festival of the NAM and other developing
countries which concluded at Pyongyang Sunday.

Azmy, a three time national award winner for the best actress, won the
honour for her role in the Hindi film 'Libaas', an official release said.

'Libaas' was directed by India's noted film director Gulzar, explores 
marital relationships in the rapidly changing Indian urban society.

Another Indian entry, a documentary film 'Lolaab' was awarded the
special jury prize.


                               * E N D *
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30501 talk.abortion:35400
From: news@ugle.unit.no (Deep Third Sand)
Subject: Why can't Indian pigs have nore white brain
Followup-To: rain
Keywords: plot
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:51:49 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srinivas@sce.carleton.ca (Srinivas Vunnava)
Subject: Re: Abortion rights
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:04:49 GMT

ngopala3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Ms. Nitya Feldstein) writes:

>A touchy subject. And one that has tempers flaring on both
>sides. I was watching an ad on Tv just the other day, one

>alone religious beliefs. One does not have to tell a woman
>that aborting a foetus is wrong, circumstances compel her to,
>it is probably the most agonizing decision in her life.

I'm not well experienced to know all possible conditions personally but I
have always wondered in case of abortions

"what are the conditions that make people think whether or not to have an
abortion but not think about it before reaching such decision point ? If
one is so responsible to think of pros and cons before coming to a decision
why conceive and then think of pros and cons ?"


regards,
=sri


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:31031 talk.abortion:36265
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The Ugly Question Rears Its Head Again...
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:26:21 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

u (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>
>And now, the question you all hate.  If you want to charge the "abortionist"
>with murder, what do you do if the woman involved in the pregnancy is the
>abortionist?  Charge her?  Let's remain consistant, now...
>

The idea behind 'charging the abortionist' is to consolidate the 
conservative vote without alarming the women. When was the last
time the group of abortionists decided an election, ha? 

If we were to treat 'abortion' as a 'first degree crime',
both the woman and the abortionist are accomplices to the
murder and must be held equally responsible. This is another of
the here-is-another-way-to-coat-the-death-pill-with-a-little-sugar
tacttics of the anti(pro-choice) group!

Satya Prabhakar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: news@ugle.unit.no (diana)
Subject: thirsty diana
Followup-To: Fixation with Tall, dark handsome types
Keywords: bye
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:15:49 GMT

In article <w0sntb=.cass@netcom.com>, cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
 > (talk, dark, handsome... and inter-racial marriage stuff deleted)
 > 
 > Do you know what the instance of inter-racial relationships/marriages
 > for Indians and Americans is? If it even happens, does it tend to be
 > Indian men and american women or Indian women and american men? Does
 > anyone know of an literature or movies on the subject? Thanks.
 > 
 > diana
 >