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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Martinsville - and they're off and running
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:43:00 GMT

Just heard from my wife, the Martinsville race is ready to go.  The 
cars rans several pace laps to help dry the track, and then pitted for 
gas and dry windshields.  They are forming up for the start now.

For the person who asked about Mark Martin, he's starting in the 14th 
position.

david
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From: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Organization: ASCII Corp. Tokyo, Japan
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:23:47 GMT

>duane
>
>PS: alain prost - 1993 world driving champion!!!!   are you
>listening, my dear little ayrton?  don't cry...perhaps
>there's a future for you selling used cars in rio...

	Alain Prost will be a pseudo-champion. He does not have
	confidence in himself so vetoed both Mansell and Senna.
	What is the meaning of this title gained by a coward like that?
	
	
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Subject: 2 Used Cars For SALE - 1983 Toyota Terce
From: Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:05:50 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Good one we are again seeing R A S  being put to its best use. Richard
is kind enough to post each month some hints and guidance for the use of
R A S  but it seems that some people are to busy to read these.
Maybe we could start another Diesel Rabbit thread 8-^).
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: MIS, new home of the USGP?
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:34:47 EDT

>on the roadcourse, but I don't recall any races run on the road course in
>the last 10 years (unless IMSA ran there in '83 or '84).  The roadcourse at
 
I think MIS also has a version of the road course which runs
only within the infield/speedway, like Charlotte, Daytona, and
now Atlanta. I'm pretty sure this was the configuration IMSA
used. Also at one time there was talk that MIS was going
to get a NHRA National quality drag strip, though I don't
think this ever went through.
 
Greg Rickes
 
 
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:15:50 GMT

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:


>In a previous article, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) says:

>>Except that the Circuito Hermanos Rodriguez isn't on the F1 calendar any more!
>>Grrr!

>What has replaced it?  I think FISA was right not to them race there until
>they resurface the track.  And they never should have reduced the Parabolica
>banking.

	The corner you are speaking of is the "Peraltada". Parabolica is the
final turn at Monza, similar to Mexico City.


TOBY...
From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: *** Design Logic Faults ***
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:58:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.211837.17079@njitgw.njit.edu> crl0195@hertz.njit.edu  
(Curt R Lindmark) writes:
> 
> The same thing happened to me.  The switch was broken, so I bypassed it
> with a piece of wire until my dad could order a new switch from the auto  
parts
> store.  

EVERYONE should be aware that *most* newer cars have fans that don't run  
all the time...the sensor/switch that tells them to come on can fail, OR  
be inaccurate. If you don't have a water temp gauge, your car can be  
running pretty hot ALL the time and you won't know. ("Idiot" lights  
usually don't come on until the cars is seriously hot.)

EVERYONE should "hot-wire" their fan(s) so that when the key is on, the  
fan is on...
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Indycar race at Nazareth Oct 4ths
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:00:40 GMT

In article <80528@ut-emx.uucp> mustang@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul Miranda who likes cheese) writes:
>In short.. where can I watch the BIG Oct 4 Indycar race..
>the whole season is up for grabs and I wanna watch it
>what network? what time?

My IndyCar (tm) schedule says same-day tape-delay on ESPN, 9-11 PM
Eastern time that Sunday.  Nazareth doesn't strike me as a good venue
for Indy cars; it's an odd little scaled-up bullring that makes me
dizzy just watching them.

As for the BIG race, try the season finale at Laguna Seca October
18th.  Again ESPN, again same-day delay, scheduled for 8-10 PM
Eastern.  This on a proper road course with elevation changes and
challenging corners.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Who, me a road-race fanatic?  Well Laguna's in my back yard...
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From: drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall)
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Summary: YEAH GREAT!!!
Keywords: F1 guys can do it .....
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.120129.1648@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, dbak@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Douglas Baker) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.024428.290@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep29.141349.10377@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
> >>that took out the GMs (Great Machines) :-( and left the Fords (Boo, Hiss!)
> >>Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
> >>"I think that I shall never see,
> >>A driver as great as Number 3!"
> >--
> >uuh, excuse me ... uh...BBAAARRRFFFFFF!
> >
> >-- 
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Pat Hayes, Meteorology, TAMU  <whoop!>  " ... Aggie by the grace of God."
> >net: phayes@tamu.edu -or- O&M 1008, TAMU, CS, TX 77843-3150 (409)845-1680 
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>  I also agree BBAAAAAARRRRRRFFFFFF!   You Must be Bilnd !!!!!! 

Only the racing ignorant would dispute the fact that a 5 time Winston Cup
champion was a great driver. Like ol' ironhead or not, he IS recognized as
one of the great ones!! 
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Notes from Portugal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:46:18 GMT

	Hello everyone. All of this stuff is coming from the Sept.30
issue of The National Speed Sport News... Other than all of the silly
season rumors like Willy buying out Patrese's contract with Benetton, 
and Herbert going to McLaren or willy, there were some interesting bits.
Fondmetal should be back for Japan and Australia, and compete in all
the races in '93. There financial difficulties limited to last race...
As expected, Wendlinger will leave March, with Lammers driving the final
two races...Supposedly, the new Ilmor V-10 for Sauber is going to have
Sauber's name on the cam covers, possibly leaving Tyrrell and March without
engines for next year... Michele Alboreto might leave Footwork, maybe
going to Scuderia italia Lola. It is said that he and Suzuki don't get 
along...March will definitely compete in '93, maybe with backing in teh
form of a buyout from Franz Konrad... D.C. Santos, a Portugeuse driver
in the German F-3 series, is going to have a test with Sasol jordan...
Derek Warwick is rumored to be talking to Footwork for next year... luca
Badoer has signed a contract to possibly drive for Scuderia Italia next 
year...

TOBY...
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Possible SPOILER...IndyCar: The Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:07:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigez.1992Oct5.140714.1
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

> 
> Well, now I'm going to flame an Andretti too!
> Just what the hell is the matter with that family?
> Michael could not catch up with Bobby Rahal, who won, and when interviewed,
> instead of saying good things about coming in second, first argued with his
> wife briefly, then with the most foul demeanor imaginable, complained that he
> lost because the yellow flag was out for too long and that screwed him up, and
> why does the flag have to be out that long?. Then, when asked about his extra pit
> stop said that he lost because of it, and that was the reason. He didn't need 
> the extra fuel. What's his name then caught him on that and said, "but who's 
> decision was that to come in?", to which he replied, "well I came in, and my crew
> could've waved me back out but they didn't."
> 
 Hey, he's just preparing for when he moves to F1.  The drivers never screw up
over there, it's always somebody else's fault.  But seriously, I have seen 
Michael give interviews earlier in the year when his luck was really going bad
and he was nowhere near as bitter.  Maybe all this swapping an Indy Car champ for
a F1 World Champ press is getting to him.  I have never heard anyone complain 
about the length of a yellow flag (except for announcers).  This is amazing!!

-- 
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Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
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From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: Martinsville
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:28:11 GMT

At lap 308:
	Kyle just got his lap back after MANY side-by-side laps with Rusty.
	Geoff Bodine then got under Rusty for the lead.  Speculation is Rusty 
		abused his car racing Kyle
	Dick Trickle is third, then Sterling, Brett, Alan, Davey and Wally
That's the lead lap.  Everyone's got at least one pit stop to go.
   
                               
				      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
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From: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi (Mika Paakko)
Subject: Capelli out from Ferrari
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:49:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


According to Finnish Text-TV, in the remaining two races in this season
Ivan Capelli will be replaced by Nicola Larini.
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From: rtw5722@zeus.tamu.edu (Ryan T. Wood)
Subject: Re: top 5 drivers/top 3 tracks
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:38:00 GMT

From Deron Wood's post - And yes there is a direct relation here.  You
                         know how brothers can get sometimes!! 

In article <1992Oct6.201644.9956@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes...
>Here are my picks-
> 
>Drivers ( in no particular order)
>     1.  Alain Prost
>     2.  Ayrton Senna
>     3.  Juan Fangio, III   ( of IMSA fame)
>     4.  Al Unser Jr.
>     5.  Michael Andretti

>Deron Wood

   I do not feel that Little Al should be included in the list of the five
   best drivers.  He is not that great of a driver, just consistent.  I feel
   that he is not the caliber of Prost/Senna/Fangio (F1 FAME).  I would put
   Schumacher in the list before Little Al.

   Anyway, have we forgotten the oldies:  Nikki and Phill Hill.

   And what about the King of auto racing:  Richard Petty.

   All three of these drivers are better than Little Al.



Ryan T. Wood
Texas A&M Sports Car Club - Vice President
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From: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)
Subject: Mansell (Indy or F1 ?)
Organization: ASCII Corp. Tokyo, Japan
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:28:24 GMT

	In one of the japanese sport newspaper, today Oct 7 ,
	there was a article saying that Mansell will probably
	run a Ferrari or a MacLaren F1 car next year, in place of the
	well known Indy-car. Could someone tell us what is happening ?
	May be our american friends could post what is going on in the
	american newspapers,etc.

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From: andy@chopin.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: hubcap.1992Oct2.190905.817
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Oct2.143352.28850@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>
>I believe these times were achieved with the narrower tires (1993 regs).
>Also, I find it interesting that Hill was more than 0.5s faster than
>Prost.
>
  Don't forget that Damon is used to the Williams and the active
suspension whereas Prost would be experiencing it for the first time.
I was interested by Mansell's statement sometime ago that he was
willing to take the car to the absolute limit, where the active
suspension really came into its own, whereas Patrese didn't like the
loss of 'feel' from this.  Senna also had the same complaints about
losing the feel of the active McLaren as it approached the edge.

  I think that someone with Mansell`s driving style, very agressive
and balls to the wall, will benefit more from the active suspension
that will drivers such as Prost and Senna.


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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Buick leaving IndyCars
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:04:07 GMT


This morning's newspaper says Buick is withdrawing from IndyCar racing.
They will concentrate on their successful Indy Lights program (where
Buicks are the only engines).

--
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: race car project: ITB Alfetta Sedan
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:14:07 GMT

In article 14380@cabot.balltown.cma.COM, welty@balltown.cma.com (richard welty) writes:

>in an effort to provide some `doer' content to the general voyeuristic
>rec.autos.sport, i thought i'd send this here instead of to one of the
>several email lists that are kicking around out there.
>
>after some pointless flailing, my long-envisioned IT car project
>is taking shape.  i now have a somewhat cosmetically lacking 1975
>Alfetta Sedan to use as a basis for the project.  it needs paint, and
>has a stuck intake valve and a marginal throwout bearing, but other
>than that, it is a functional car.
>
>so i need advice on how to set my priorities.  my general plan of
>action is to run about a year of marque club track events, developing
>and debugging the car, while keeping an eye on the IT rulebook.
>ideally, i can go to SCCA driving school with a working, reliable
>race car so that i can focus on the school rather than fixing a
>breakage prone car a lot.
>


Why Richard! Out of the security of driving schools and into the rough and tumble
world of wheel-to-wheel combat, out there with looneys, some of whom drive about 
as well as that orangutan character (what was his name?). 

Anyway, I don't have much to add because I don't have much experience with torsion
bars, but as for braking, I'd vote for the proportioning valve. In fact I'm going
to call up Pegasus and see if they have something that I'll be able to put on my Fiat.
Those things are invaluable, especially for the wet. Wouldn't that be great if you 
rigged it to be cockpit-controllable?

Bigger brakes aren't allowed in ITB, are they?

Matt
From: uemura@isl.melco.co.jp (Joe Uemura)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1:  Schumacher in F3000 ?
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:32:00 GMT
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric, Ofuna, Kanagawa, Japan

In article <1992Oct3.095100.17548@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:

 |
 |Did Michael Schumacher ever drive in F3000 ?
 |
 |If he didn't, it means that no one who has won in F1 has driven
 |in F3000.  I saw Schumacher race a couple of times in the 1989
 |German F3 series, but I never really followed his career until
 |he drove in the SWC Mercedes junior team.
 |

Yes, although he did not race the entire season, he raced at least once
in the Japanese F3000 series. If I recall correctly, he finished 2nd in
his first F3000 race. I think that was right before his F1 debut in Spa
last year.

 |			  Andrew  Henry
 |Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk

Joe
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1:Berger:Patrese
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:41:50 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Leo Smiths writes:

>marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes..
>
>>But: Has it occurred to any of those who claim that Berger pulled
>>that move intentionally that he could very well have been on the
>>receiving end -- in that Patrese could have nudged him in such a way
>>that Berger would have smashed into the pit wall with horrible
>>consequences?!
>
>Listen and read what others have said about tyre contact in open
>wheel racing.
>
>        (i) Wheel banging rim to rim. Basically safe. Done to 'lean
>        on a driver who pisses you off.
>
>        (ii) Allowing a following driver to get the FRONT of his
>        tyres in contact with the REAR of your tyres. Murder.
>        Literally. THE MOST DANGEROUS THING THAT CAN HAPPEN. Done by
>        some Brazilian world champions when they aren't winning, and
>        lots of formula ford boys who wish they were as well.
>
>YOU are all right: Your tyres just get a flat spot and forced into
>the road. The other guy gets launched into the air. Note that the
>driver OVERTAKING is always in danger. The driver being overtaken is
>not. Patrese could not have put Berger in trouble. The only time I
>have seen contact cause an off for the driver ahead was when
>Shumachers wing came off after Martin Brundle banged him up the back.
>
>Personally I think Berger intended to give Patrese a bit of a fright,
>and maybe a flat spot and a bent wing, but it all went a lot further
>than Berger ever intended. But we will never no. I base that on
>Bergers history as a nice guy but given to pranks.

What total bullshit.  It seems to me that F1 and r.a.s. are going in
the same direction of boring trash.

Dan Jones
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:29:12 GMT

In article <1a9j05INN161@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM
(Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes:
|> Nothing I read here in the SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS thread had
|> prepared me for actually seeing the crash last night (when ESPN finally got
|> around to showing it). I've always felt that under pressure Berger has
|> a tendency to lose his head and do something wildly irresponsible
|> (Monaco a few years ago, for instance), but this was unprecedented. A
|> multi-race suspension would not be inappropriate...

Come on!  Berger decided to go into the pits and kept well to the right
hand side of the track with plenty of space to overtake to his left.
He says it's impossible to take one hand off the steering wheel in the
corner before the start/finish line to raise an arm as a warning.  Since
I have never driven an F1 car on a straight line, let alone at full speed
through a corner (have you?), I just have to take his word for it.  (But
his fellow F1 drivers certainly don't ... )  It is also clear that the
road leading to the pits at Estoril is VERY short, so that one has to
start braking on the race track when heading for the pits.

In other words:  It's pretty clear that Patrese just played this one
a little too close for comfort and -- while unfortunate to trip over
Berger's left rear wheel -- was very lucky to walk away with just a
few bruises.

In a phone interview on Austrian TV Monday night, Berger claimed that
Patrese agreed that there wasn't much that Berger could have done to
avoid the incident after seeing the tapes.


|> Hobbs and Varsha were both scathing about Berger's action. How did
|> the other commentators characterise it?

Lauda called it a "racing accident" on Austrian TV, one of those things
that can happen in F1.

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