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From: esurw@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S M Landamore)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 4, 5 balls, also simple passing patterns
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:48:53 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
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  I am currently working on 4 and 5 balls: I have got the hang of the
pattern with 4, I just need to practice. A lot. I find that my hands
have a tendency to `rotate' - the left comes in, the right goes out a
bit. Any tips on preventing this? I have tried to slow the pattern
down, and practice each hand seperately when I find this happening...
or will it come with practice?
  I read with interest the juggling help files on 5 balls; I have a
few comments of my own I could add when I get slightly better, that is
of course if there is any interest out there...

  Last night we practised passing balls (I am currently living with 2
other jugglers... very handy! :-) I would like to know is there a name
for the pattern we made, I have a copy of The Complete Juggler (Dave
Finnigan) but it wasn't mentioned in there...
  Stand in a line, each person has 2 balls, with an extra ball at one
end. (ie, 2 balls in an end hand, 1 ball in each of all the other
hands) Then the balls get shifted one hand along by throwing, with
reflection at the ends. ie, as a ball is about to land in a hand, the
ball currently in that hand gets thrown along in the same direction as
the incoming ball. With only 2 balls, the end person who just passed
to the next along has a while before their next turn: I tried eating
an apple during this break - the resulting noise and mess damn near
drove us to tears laughing :-)
  We then tried this in a circle (or as near to a circle you can get
with 3 people!), with occasional (announced) reversals of direction.
This got me to thinking, could this be made into a simple game?
Randomly changing direction with people who drop leaving the circle...
Hmm I wonder...

Regards,
Stephen
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Doug Harris <dharris@trirex.com>
Subject: Re: Cirque du Soleil
Reply-To: dharris@trirex.com
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:40:23 -0500

A couple of things...

1) C du S is coming to NYC in March.  I missed them last time they  
were in town.  That won't happen again.

2) Does anyone know what night C du S will be on the Tonight Show?  I  
rarely watch the show.

thanks,

doug
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annoying than the piano when played by a sister or near relation.
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Subject: Re: programs for the mac
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:49:11 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <C1FED3.24B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
((thomasl)) writes:
> how do i get a copy of jugglepro?

Ah, it is nice of you to ask.  The easiest way to get a copy of JugglePro is to  
download it from moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu.  You will find it under  
pub/juggling/programs/ibm-pc/jugglepro (yes it has its own little directory all  
to itself (isn't that special) )  Now that I've got all those *expletive  
deleted* parantheses under control, I hope my automatic expletive deleter will  
get rid of all my *expletive deleted* expletives.  Perhaps the easiest way to  
get the whole thing is to use the tarred stuff if you know about that.

Of course, if you are unable to download you can just send $20 to me and I will  
be glad to send you a copy personally.  The current version is 3.1 and it can  
do a lot more than version 2.3 -- more about that later.  I will be uploading  
3.1 shortly with Terry's help.

> is it true jugglepro runs on the mac and

Nope.. not yet anyway.

> takes siteswap as input to generate animated patterns?

of course

> which (other?) programs run on the mac?

i dunno

> hmmmmmm?

hmmmmmm.

> what other notations exist, aside from siteswap?

MHN (Multi-Hand Notation), Synchronous notation, Jack Boyce's notations  
(passing & custom), and a program-like notation used by jug.

> who wrote jugglepro, anyway?

I know the guy quite well I think.  I'm pretty sure most people who read this  
do too since he's always writing stupid math stuff to the network.

> does anyone know who is working on graphic representations of
> notations, either siteswap, choreographic notation, etc?

Choreographic notation for dance has already been done -- it's called  
Labanotation (invented by Laban a long time ago) but it is being phased out  
with the video technology of today.  A similar notation could have been  
developed for juggling too but I've never seen it.
 
> don't be shy, come forth and be recognized.

Okay I will.  But first let me tell you how much I enjoyed reading your article  
on the Halloween Fest (which I missed unfortunately) in the most recent issue  
of JW.  I liked it a lot.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What are all three (or more)  balls tricks ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
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In a previous article, hthomas@irisa.fr (Henry Thomas) says:

>Q1 Could someone describe extensively what tricks are possible with three
>balls ? (possibly with some ascii drawings ?)
I'll let other more qualified help you with that, but I'll say that one of the
first tricks I ever learned that seemed was pretty impressive, (to someone:),
was under-the-leg...

>Q2 what is a shower ? People have been talking a lot about that recently. I
>still don't figure what is it.
Okay, you know how everybody thinkg that they know how to juggle?  (With only
teo balls of course...), well, that's a shower, add another ball, and it's a 
lot tougher, and worth learning in a little while...:)  What you're doing now
is called a cascade.  
ANother important basic trick is called a half-shower, where, instead of 
handing the balls across as is done in a shower, low thows are made in one 
direaction, and higher throws in the other direction.  Many variations on this
are possible, which is where juggling really starts to get fun...:)
-- 
--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Split rec.boats??
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:54:25 GMT

In article <1jpjsjINNms@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>One of the reasons for not splitting I saw before was that
>some people have an interest in both power and sailboating,
>but that's why newsreaders support multiple groups.
>
>What do the rest of you think?

IMHO, this group gets little enough use (but a good signal-to-noise ratio!)
that seperate groups aren't needed.  I've found almost all the discussions
interesting.  And for those that aren't, the killfile has been a good
tool.

My two cents.

Don

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you from life's joy and prepare you for the relentless heartache that is
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: re: Split rec.boats??
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:42:58 GMT

In article <1jpjsjINNms@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>I know this has been hashed over at least once prior, but
>in light of the recent post someone made referring a person
>who asked about jet skis to rec.annoying.irritating.ought.
>to.be.shot, I thought that this newsgroup really needs to
>be split.
>
>That way, sailboat people can talk about sailboat things,
>powerboat people can talk about powerboat things, and
>people with personal watercraft can talk about personal
>watercraft things. All without the benefit of someone
>harassing them for their choice of boat type.
>
>One of the reasons for not splitting I saw before was that
>some people have an interest in both power and sailboating,
>but that's why newsreaders support multiple groups.
>
>What do the rest of you think?
>
>-- Mike
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>My opinions - not my employer's

I second the motion...

let us vote on creating:

    rec.boat.sail   to discuss sailing related issues
    rec.boat.power  to discuss motor related issues
    rec.boat.other  to discuss other boat types and issues

barry

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Scuppers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:55:16 GMT

Brian Smith writes:

>...the term "scupper" implied the complete drainage system,
>including the channel and the scupper holes (any terminolgy buffs care
>to comment?).

On square-rigged ships, the holes were called "freeing ports". They
had huge hinged steel lids that would inflict serious wounds on the
sailors that would get washed about the decks in the Cape Horn seas.

S.
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cellular Phones
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:25:24 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

Another reason to have one:

  This is the only way you're going to get to go out on your boat and
  still stay married;-) 

Torsten Weirich

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From: dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov (Dave G Shively)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Air cooled or Water cooled??
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:36:43 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
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Originator: dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov


I am currently looking for a small outboard motor in the 2.5 - 3.0 HP
range.  I would welcome any comments on the tradeoffs between
air cooled motors and water cooled motors.  I plan to use the motor
on the Chesapeake Bay (salt water) and store the motor in the 
garage when not is use.

Thanks in advance,
e-mail is fine or post to the net
 
David Shively

dgs@draco.larc.nasa.gov

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All opinions are my own and NASA doesn't do this stuff anyway.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tomb@atp.serum.kodak.com (Tom "USA" Bullinger (x37419))
Subject: Re: Rhodes' Chesapeake 32'
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:54:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.145826.19947@watson.ibm.com> walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson) writes:
>Can anyone tell me ANYTHING about a 32' Chesapeake (Rhodes design)?
>I have never seen one; however, I have recently seen a couple of
>ads for one -- since I am (leisurely) looking for a coastal cruiser
>(NY area) I am trying to decide if I should take a closer look.
>
>-- 
>
>  Walter G. Wilson  (walter@watson.ibm.com)
>  The opinions expressed here are my own.

Rhodes Chesapeak 32

Designed by:  Phillip L. Rhodes
Built by:     George Walton, Inc. (USA)
Circa:        1961

LOA:          31'9"
LWL:          22'1"
Beam:         8'9"
Draft:        4'9"
Disp.:        10,000 lbs.    (estimated based on similar designs)
Ballast:      3,750 lbs.
Sail Area:    429 sq.ft.   (sloop rigged)
Aux:          30 hp, Gas
Sleeps:       4 
Construction: GRP

The profile looks very similar to a Cape Dory 30'. The appears fairly
standard: a V-berth for two in the bow, a hanging locker to starboard,
and an enclosed head with sink to port. The main salon has berths on 
either side, and a galley aft. The icebox appears to be on the starboard
side with a sink and stove on port. She's seems to be equipped with a 
tiller.


(From: BOATWATCH, Master Guide to Sailboats of the world, Max Wade Averitt, 1992)

Hope this helps.

	tomb..


	tomb@serum.kodak.com
From: RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Roxby)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: BVI Cruising Guide?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:25:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Any recommendations of cruising guides to the British Virgin
Islands, including sources, would be appreciated.
From: boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:58:07 GMT
Subject: Perminate Moorings
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I belong to a group of sailboaters interested in setting up our
own mooring (perminate) in one of the South Bay sloughs.  The
problem is that I've read (somewhere) that Concrete makes a
really awful mooring (too light in water, will drag easily, rots or
breaks up fast).  Other possibilities being discussed are a 
couple engine blocks chained togeather, but I've heard bad things
about this too (easy to drag etc.).

So... Does anyone have any Ideas, experience with making thier
own -->CHEAP<-- moorings??  I'd appreciate your advice before I
get too involved in this project.  The bottom is mud, mud, and
more mud (and some shell).. but mostly MUD.  Water depth about
15 feet mean tide (meybe as deep as 25 depending on where) and
in extreems, can have quite a current.

thx,
Darwin 
boblet@hpoedpd.sj.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dont@StarConn.com (Don Tuite)
Subject: Re: Full Batten Main - Problem
Followup-To: rec.boats:
Summary: Slack them lazy jacks! 
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:29:21 GMT

Original poster asked about lazy jacks snagging full battens when the
sail is hoisted.

Sobstad showed me a trick that involves mounting a couple of hammock
hooks on the side of the mast near the base of the boom.  You also need
a couple of small cleats near there too.

Most of the time, you leave the lazy jacks slacked so that one part is
snugged parallel to the mast and the other part is parallel to the boom.
You only deploy the lazy jacks when you're lowering the sail or using
them in lieu of a topping lift.  Otherwise they're stowed.  No chance of
snagging a batten when you hoist.

Worked for me.

Don Tuite
From: wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:25:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1jsgbqINN592@morrow.stanford.edu>,
francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
|> Some posters seem to be saying that wheels may be easier "because
|> you know which way the boat will turn," but are there not boats
|> where the wheel turns agianst the direction? Wasn't this the "old-
|> fashioned" way? Stefan should know that one.

The convention has been for a very long time that wheels turn the way
that we all expect.  There must be exceptions (after all, I've seen a
boat with a wheel mounted with its axis athwartships).  However, what is
common practice now has been established for a long time.

However, until the beginning of this century, helm orders were given in
terms of a tiller.  Honest.  "Port 5" meant "push the tiller 5 degrees
to port", which implied that the rudder should swing 5 degrees to
starboard and the ship's head would swing to starboard.  I could explain
how this situation arose, but sailing people can probably guess for
themselves (clue: whipstaff).  The orders were the same even if you were
steering by wheel.  You just knew that, when you got the order "port 5",
you would move the wheel to starboard, the rudder would move to
starboard, and the ship would swing to starboard.  On steam ships, any
sense that there may once have been in this convention was totally lost. 
So by international agreement, the convention was changed.  Things must
have been a bit chaotic while people got used to the new convention. 

If you read old narratives, and you read them carefully, you may find
instances of people giving what seem to be the wrong orders, or ships
turning the wrong way.  This is the explanation.

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats (was Re: Boat Show)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:39:07 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1k376qINNb40@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

   In fact, I think that all wheel-steered boats should have a tiller. I have
   one on Sarah, and fortunately the wheel is far enough fwd in the cockpit that
   it can actually be used. The kind of emergency tiller that you have to 
   rig "sideways" to make it avoid the wheel is just loony (and probably
   unsafe). Incidentally, I do use the tiller now and then, even when the
   wheel steering is working. In very light airs, it's a little easier to handle
   the boat with the tiller than the wheel. Besides, it makes me check out one
   more piece of emergency eqpt. at least once a year, which is a Good Thing.
   Imagine the annoyance if I found that the damned bolt ofr the emergency
   tiller was rusted in place at some critical moment :-(. 

Or worse, it breaks!  This reminds me of the time I had borrowed a friend's
Laser.  I was hiked out and flying along at a pretty good clip when
the tiller extension came off in my hand.  About this time, one
of those river freighters (I was on the river Weser near my home
town of Bremen, Germany) rounded the bend and was headed in my direction.
I panicked momentarily and dropped the tiller extension.  I managed to
get myself all the way back in the boat and get out of the way
with little room to spare.  For anyone not familiar with these ships,
they can be as long as a football field and are about as manueverable
as a car on a solid sheet of ice.  

Now I spend a little more time getting aquainted with equipment that's
not mine before I use it.

Torsten Weirich

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
From: kroin@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:36:50 EST
Followup-To: Give me some ideas,rec.boats
Distribution: world

In article <1993Jan27.065647.19957@trl.oz.au>, hall@trl.oz.au (Roger Hall) writes:
> In article 215022IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () writes:
>>Hello to all of you! - I would like some suggestions for the
>>naming of my 23 foot Grady-White Gulfstream... I'm really having
>>a tough time coming up with anything completley new and nautical!
>>So anything goes!!!!!!
>>
>>Thanks a lot! (The winner gets $65!)> 
--               How about "PASSING WIND"
      +--------------------------------------------------------------+
      J.S.K@Lilly.Com is really Julian Kroin,late of Indpls. IN.
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From: mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Split rec.boats
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:14:41 GMT
Followup-To: Split rec.boats
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.


  I am a power boat owner (offshore fishing nut) and I also sail.  I
think that there is a lot of common intrest -- without that much traffic
anyway.  Lets all share rec.boats just as we do the water.




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From: len@persephone.think.com (Leonard Franco)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:40:23
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:50:37 GMT

Re. microwaves vs. winches controversey:

The thing that bothers me most about a guy with a 35-footer
who doesn't know what a winch is he's very likely to run into
you on the water, literally. 

 I don't care if these folks can afford to pile a $100K boat
on the rocks, but it disturbs me to knot they're putting me,
my boat, and lots of other folks at risk everytime they're on
the water. 

Len
From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:14:18 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1993Jan23.185152.7491@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:

> You don't see too many tillers on powerboats, do you? 

I thought that's what outboard motors were!   :-)

Karina



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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Rename rec.boats to rec.outdoors.boats
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:19:41 GMT

In article <lm8g9bINNjms@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>
dre@ember.Eng.Sun.COM (David R. Emberson) writes:
 
>
>rec.outdoors.boats...
>
>Doesn't that seen a tad redundant?
>
Wasn't it only a few posts back that someone mentioned that
the Atlantic City boat show would have an indoor tank complete
with 13' dignhy(ies?) and wind? :-)
 
..Richard E+17