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From: emartine@digi.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Why "anime" (was Re: Defending anime...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:59:40 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1gqucgINNinc@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST801964@brownvm.brown.edu (Cloo) writes:
>                            [...stuff...]
>The problem stems from where the "p" ends up.  If the word "japanimation"
>was broken down to "ja-panimation," there's no problem--but if it is
>broken down as "jap-animation," it becomes a racial slur.  I believe this
>was discussed on ra.anime sometime within the last year.
>
>                            [...stuff...]

 I see. I guess you can't stop people from interpreting things the wrong way.
I just saw it as "Jap-an-imation", where "-an-" is used for both "Jap-an" and
"an-imation".

 Thank you all for the explanations!


Edgar Martinez                UTArlington Co-op program (Great!)
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From: bz007@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephanie Z. Croom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: and don't forget the banana splits!
Date: 12 Dec 1992 02:06:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz007@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephanie Z. Croom)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


"One banana twoo banana three banana four"
Anybody know the rest of the song? (e-mail me if you don`t want
the excess bandwidth.)
Is it me, or does the "la la la" part of this song sound like
the chorous of "buffalo soldier" by Bob Marley?


Jinkies! - Velma from Scooby Doo

-- 
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AKA NEWBIE WOMAN !!!!!           |  disclaimer: i married mark.
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:21:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec15.052107.18598
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


> [Homophobic diatribe deleted]

  Uh... Kevin:  Would it be possible for you to simply acknowledge that you
  don't enjoy watching homo/bi-sexuals enamoured of one another in any way,
  shape or form and just move on?  Can you also accept that there are folks
  out there who do not feel the same way as you and find it enourmously 
  offensive when you carry on and on about how "disgusting and improper" homo-
  sexuality is?

  God knows I have no desire to start a Homosexuality Flame-War like those
  that appear on Rec.Arts.StarTrek every now and again, but if you are going
  to watch Anime you need to accept the fact that homosexuality (lesbianism
  in particular) is a big part of the genre, much like the fascination with
  destroying Tokyo in various ways.

  And you're also going to have to accept the fact that it is a BIG world out
  there and not everyone shares your views on sexuality.  When you vehemently
  spew forth your opinions, as you did in the article I'm responding to, you
  are going to violently offend a lot of people.

  And not all of them are going to be as pleasant while pointing this out as I
  am...

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:13:59 GMT

At the risk of being flamed, I believe that animation _does_ have
an intrinsic limited appeal for adults.  I _don't_ believe that
it's societal conditioning that makes _me_ prefer to watch 1 hour of
_Larry King_ over 1 hour of Saturday morning cartoons.  Maybe it's
(in general) the quality of the cartoons.  Maybe it's the amount of
effort required to watch a given type of show (animated v. talking heads).

But doesn't it seem like there are some people who are _never_ going to
want to watch animated cartoons?

This is actually something that's puzzled me for a long time.  I've
produced a lot of experimental animation and have shown it to a lot
of people, sometimes to visiting groups.  It seems like there are
always people in the groups that are interested and an equal or greater
number who just don't give a f**k.  At first it bothered me.  I was
upset to discover that most people simply are not interested in
computer animation, a medium that I felt strongly enough to base
my career on.

I know that it's a given that different people like different things.  I
like Woody Allen movies and most of my friends don't.  My mom likes to
read trashy romance novels and you couldn't pay me enough money to make
me feign interest in them.

Here we have a whole newsgroup of people who, like me, seem to like good
animation.

Somebody tell me, what is it in a person's makeup that makes them want
to watch animated cartoons?

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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:53:54

 HD> Minna Agechau (I Give My All) is "normal".
 HD> It's not porn, at least in Japan.
 That's not porn??  I'm afraid many of the media thought it was.  Of course
that's what you get for having some saucered-eye girl acting like a sex object 
and slut!  Too bad, they had an opportunity to show us something intelligent
in terms of animation from Japan, and instead they offered to show what most
people THINK about animation from Japan (slut saucer-eye girls acting like sex 
objects).  
 I remember when Lenoard Maltin (sp?) on "Entertaiment This Week" did a
feature on Japanimation and he did correctly, showing MIyazaki's "Laputa" and 
saying how it was different and more like a "star-wars" of animation.  The
down side was he had Carl Macek's face on for an interview. :)  But he did
(Lenoard Maltin) show the audience that Japanimation is something good to look 
at instead of the typical saucer-eye slut girls running around with guns or
skimpy clothing.
 Stuff like the recent 3 Disney movies and the audiences that are going to see 
them do suggest that more and more people don't think animation is just for
kids.  
 More importantly, take a look at the CARTOON NETWORK?  Do you think that is
just for kids?  I don't think so!  Ted TUrner is doing this so that adults can 
tune in at anytime and get to watch some animation at any given time.  Or how 
about the recent "Johnny Quest" thon on TNT?  These are examples that more
people realize cartoons aren't just for kids!

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:54:33 GMT

In article <n11b1t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  It's kind of like video games and CD-ROM players, many people are willig to
> buy CD-ROM players for better video games and that will help.  But alas the
> same saucered-eye look in most CD-ROM games has hurt already and people are
> already selling off their CD-ROM players (which will hurt video game
> advacement).  More on this in rec.video.games and a lot later on.


Umm..heh...I really don't think there are that many people out there that feel
so strongly about characters' eyes that they have decided to get rid of CD-ROM
or other video game equipment because of it.

Of course, there's always me: buying a TG16 CD-ROM next month specifically
so I can get games with that art style, since I think it's great.
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Sherlock Hound (was defending animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  04:30:02

KE> Thankks for the information on where to find 
KE> them... I think I also heard
KE>some people mentioning Kay Bee toys as a place 
KE>to find them.  Do you know th
KE>name of the company putting out Sherlock Hound?  
KE>I might be able to find it
KE>my local video store (they carry 3 different 
KE>areas of animation).  I think
KE>I'll check Kay Bee also and see if they have any left in stock.

 RR> They're put out (under the "Just For Kids" label by:
 RR>                    Celebrity Home Entertainment, Inc.
 RR>                    P.O.Box 4112
 RR>                    Woodland Hills, CA 91365-9797
 Now that's an inslut!! :) (to have "Sherlock Holmes" under the "JUST FOR
KIDS" label).  They don't consider that kids stuff do they. :)
 Seriously, I will be looking at Kay Bee Toys and check (although during
Christmas RUSH, ARRGHHHH!!!).  But thanks for the address, I may write them a 
letter if I don't get lucky (afterall it is in my part of town, sort of...
about 30-40 miles away).

--- Maximus 2.00
From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Perception of Japanimation
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  05:07:10

 RPG> As long as there is a diversity of opinions, 
 RPG> viewership can't go down.  Take
 RPG> a look at the sales figures (well, you can't 
 RPG> really, but here they are, sort 
 RPG> of).  Every single anime titles out-sells (in 
 RPG> terms of initial orders) 
 RPG> previous titles and has done so for 3 years.  This 
 RPG> primarily doesn't have 
 RPG> much to do with "show quality", it largely depends 
 RPG> on the overall market for
 RPG> anime increasingly diversifying to video rental 
 RPG> outlets. (No we don't have
 RPG> Tower Video in IN unfortunately, no 49c a night 
 RPG> rentals here.)  Also, takes
 RPG> sales figures for say, Project A-ko (don't see 
 RPG> what's your problem with it,
 RPG> it's drop dead funny, as most farces are supposed 
 RPG> to be.) which now has
 RPG> reached sales in the five figures in terms of 
 RPG> units (10000+).  Compare
 RPG> that with say 14.2 million units of BatB sold.  I 
 RPG> would doubt seriously
 RPG> that some little 'ol MD Geist could hurt the animation industry.
 If it depends on incresingly # of outlets showing anime, yes that will get
more people intitally into looking into it.  But you must also make sure
quality doesn't go down the toilet can.  Again this can be similar to the
video game industry in 1982 when many places that didn't sell video games sold 
them and it ended up the industry OUTGROSSED the movie industry for 1982!!!!! 
However, because the quality when down the toilet can things collapsed rather 
quickly and by 1983 it wasn't pretty much dead until the Nintendo rivial in
1986-1987.  
 Hmmm... Proejct A-Ko as sold 10000 to Beauty and the Beast 14.2 million??? I 
guess I won't have to worry about "girls with guns" being a threat to quality 
animation, at least not yet... :)  
 You bring up in intresting point though, I wonder if Project A-Ko was
released by Disney (with it's marketing) and Beauty and the Beast (with the
company that is releasing Project-Ako) released by them, with keeping both
FEATURES the same as they are... I wonder if Project A-Ko could reach the 14.2 
million or somewhere close if Disney was marketing it... Or if it would
backfire because of the type of animation it is.

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: poblete@phoenix.rose.utoronto.ca (Ferdie Poblete)
Subject: Re: I LUV GIRLS-WITH-GUNS ANIME!!! :)
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:14:42 GMT

kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:



>Ok...ok...I think we've had about enough of Kevin's BMCing  (Bitch
>moan, and complain) about anime in general.  Hey Kevin, if you've got
>any guts, I dare you to post on rec.arts.anime and then see what
>happens :)  
>  Other than that, quick show of hands...all those who love saucer eyed
>girl-with-guns anime, say HOOOO!!! :)

>- Rich
>  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hyena


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Is MTV still showing Speed Racer?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:25:45 GMT
Keywords: when

In article <Bz9Dyr.52D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, egp41980@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M) writes:
> Is MTV still showing Speed Racer, and if so, when? I watched Sunday nights
> for the past couple of weeks and on Tuesdays after LTV but didn't see it.
> I really want to see the episode with the pinapple. 

They're still showing it... Saturday mornings at 8:00 AM Central.

Sorry.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Sherlock Hound (was defending animation)
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:57:16 GMT

"The Dogs of Bowserville" is also a good pick because (I believe) it
contains the episode "The Blue Ruby"--one of the few personally directed
by Miyazaki.  It's fun, fast-paced, and has not one, but two _dynamite_
chase scenes in it.  Not to be missed!

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer)
Subject: Re: AKIRA the movie
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:16:01 GMT

In article <101647@netnews.upenn.edu>, kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec) writes:
> 
> I just saw it 2 days ago and thought the animation was EXCELLENT, but as
> you said I noticed plot/story problems too.

I just saw AKIRA recently, also.  What plot/story problems were there?  Maybe
I was asleep at the helm, or something.  I am usually pretty sensitive to plot 
errors myself and I didn't notice any.  So, what were they?

As a side note, there was one element of this film that I really liked.  That
was that all the characters in it behaved like real people.  Everyone in 
the movie was operating with their own agenda and, at the same time, none 
of them had a thorough understanding of the situation.  Kind of like how things
seem to happen in "real life".

Nick Sauer
From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  04:48:32

 U> Umm..heh...I really don't think there are that many 
 U> people out there that feel
 U> so strongly about characters' eyes that they have 
 U> decided to get rid of CD-ROM
 U> or other video game equipment because of it.

 U> Of course, there's always me: buying a TG16 CD-ROM 
 U> next month specifically
 U> so I can get games with that art style, since I think it's great.
 Well, I am going to end this discussion about CD-ROM games since that doesn't 
have much to do with the animation really and is better suited for
rec.video.games.  But I do hope that you people who are into both animation
and video games realize the reasons for the video game collapse of 1983-1984
and the same mistakes aren't done again.  the same thing can happen to
animaton if we allow crap and garbage to dominate animation   As for video
games, I will debate that on rec.video.games in the near future.  Let's get
back to talking about animation and get back on-track.

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Humans in Transformers
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:45:19 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1g8nejINN677@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:


>Does anyone remember the names of the kid and his dad who hung around
>with the Autobots?  Also any names for the other people who showed up
>from time to time.  Thanks in advance,
>Linda
>P.S.  This is for the show before the movie.  I lost interest after that,
>because I never saw the movie so the later episodes lost me.  Oh well.

The father: Sparkplug
The kid: Spike
Also, Spike's girlfriend (?Carly?) showed up from time to time, and those kids
that were in the two "New York" episodes.

Can't remember any other humans that played in more than one episode...

B.A.
From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (The Meathead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:36:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <n118ct@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>> that did things that suggested she was a lesbian!!!!!
>
> U> Big deal.
> BIG DEAL???  Oh boy, so now let's have lesbianism in animation!!  We have
>already gone far enough have we???   From what I saw here, I'm afraid to see
>if anybody has tried to put lesbanism in animation!!! I wonder if there are is 
>cheap animation like this that has 2 lesbians (saucered-eye probably) making
>out with each other.  Take THAT back, that reminds me of this one awful piece 
>of cheap animation where at the very beginning 2 saucered-eye girls WERE
>KISSING EACH OTHER and in bed...
 [etc...etc...]

  Oh God, no! Anything but that! Are you a priest or something? What exactly
are you trying to say here? Are you promoting censorship ("hey, let's get rid
of everything I find offensive")? You're obviously entitled to your opinion,
but you can't expect every thing you see on TV on hear on the radio to be 
patterned to your value system. And please come up with some better arguments
besides "I don't like it".

  P.S. Watch some old Howard Stern shows. :) 
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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:20:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I have read the original versions of TLM by Andersen and BATB by 
the French woman whose name escapes me at the moment (in fact, I 
own these and others--I'm an avid fairy tale collector with a 
pitifully limited budget, but I've got those :-) ).  TLM has a very
sappy ending, although it's not always printed in the kiddie books.
After she throws herself into the ocean, she gets changed to some sort
of "spirit of the air" or something who flies around for 300 or so years,
after which time she earns herself a soul.  Since her original desire
was for a soul (mermaids had none, and could only get them if a human
loved them well enough to share his), the ending is happy in a spiritual
sense.  Not to mention that her time is shortened if she flies through 
a house where children are being good, but it's lengthened if she flies
through a house where children are crying and/or misbehaving.  This is
a little attempt to tell kids to behave because otherwise they're hurting
the air spirits, and isn't that a terrible thing to do, and do you want
to be responsible for TLM to have to wait to get her soul?  Preachy and
sappy it is.
	As for BATB in the French version, she gets the prince in the end, 
and although he may not be Adonis he's not called ugly in any version I've
read.  The only negativity in the ending is the fate of the jealous sisters
who try to keep Beauty from going back to the castle and Beast.  They get
turned into statues, to agonize over their sister's happiness until they 
reform their jealous, wicked hearts, which the enchantress who transforms
them says will probably never happen.  But, since these characters are
portrayed throughout the story in a negative light, you don't really feel
sorry for them that much, i.e. they got what they deserved.  
	So my question is, what's wrong with the Disney endings being happy
endings?  BATB the Fairy Tale has a happy ending, and TLM the fairy tale's
ending is at least bittersweet, not absolutely sad.  
(Needless to say, I liked both of these Disney movies very much, and they 
haven't diminished my appreciation of the original stories at all)
Linda
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation music
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  04:22:36

 U>    I don't know whether they became big hits or not, 
 U> but Japanese record
 U> stores are full of soundtracks from full-length as well as weekly
 U> anime.
 I am not suprised that is the case.  I know at many comic book cons I go to I 
find that Japanimation fans will spend $35 and up for their favorite
soundtrack to their favorite feature.  Heck, I think there are cases when the 
music is probably WAY better than the feature itself... (hey I mean look at
here... at least in  terms of movies where the SOUNDTRACK to "Boomerang" did
way better than the actual movie itself!!)

--- Maximus 2.00
From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Humans in Transformers
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:55:28 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Dec11.212420.14366@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:


>The two I can remember are
>  Spike -- Kid, son of (can't remember name)
>  Chip -- Handicapped kid (teenager?), in a wheelchair

Oh yeah, forgot about him. Sorry...

B.A.
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