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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:02:21 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: WHTMIHC
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              92 9:48 pm

>
> (Gilbert Smith) writes:
> >--ggs is experiencing a memory lapse....  the effects of approaching
> >*five-five* I think....  it will be forthcoming in the <foreseeable>
> >future.....
> >--- (well, I never, my *own* name just slipped my mind....)
>
> It isn't necessarily age.
>
> At the ripe old age of sixteen I was in a travel agency with
> my parents as they were buying tickets.  The agent asked me
> for me age and I realized I had absolutely no idea.  I started
> looking around the office for a calendar so I could perform the
> appropriate subtraction.  After I spent a good twenty seconds
> stammering and looking at everything in the office except the
> agent my parents kindly answered for me.  I'm sure the travel
> agent thought I had the intellect of a turnip.
>
> A few years later I was home from college for winter break.
> I was, as usual, spending much of my time reading.  Several times
> during one afternoon my mother came by to ask me if I was hungry
> yet and what I thought about going to a particular restaurant for
> lunch.  I kept providing noncommittal answers in the hopes that my
> parents would go on their own and leave me to raid the fridge.
> Eventually my mother got upset and started complaining about how
> I should be more cooperative with her plans for my birthday lunch.
> I had no idea it was my birthday (December 30).
>
> My life is filled with these embarrassments.  Fortunately I don't
> remember most of them.
>
> --karsten
>
> (Still looking at calendars for his age, and occasionally checking
>  that slip of paper in his wallet for his name and phone number)
>

You know what they say - the brain begins to deteriorate as soon as
we are born. Some of us can afford to loose more brain cells than others;
some of us, myself included, can afford to loose none.

And I thought *I* was absent-minded!
What a great story.

Agnes
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Emoticons
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:22:15 GMT

Brad is puzzled by 5-) for elvis:


>I'll bet it's his oh-so-wavy hair????

>2Judith


--bingo!  I bet that's it, too.

--bayla  
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:08:29 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Porno archives
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There's an article in the June/July Lingua Franca about the NY Public
Library's pornography archives.  It's quite interesting (no pictures).

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:42:49 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: internet gurus
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> Dear gurus.  I would like help finding a list of bitnet/internet
> or anynet addresses and sites so that when I travel in weird
> places in Asia, India andAFrica, off the beaten track, I will
> be able to acquire guest accounts and keep in touch.
> Any ideas?  Marilyn

That's a bit general.  What you need to do is identify more specifically
where you'll be going and then communicate with people in computing centers
of universities in those places.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     not a guru, but pretty good at finding e-access from afar
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:38:08 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> I pronounce the [f].  I also pronounce the [t] in _often_, which I've
> noticed many (most?) people don't.

That's a different kind of thing.  Often with the [t] is a spelling
pronunciation.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:53:03 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
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Posted on 5 Sep 1992 at 10:52:46 by Graham Toal
>Does huckle-bone count or do the meanings of 'huckle' have to be
>the same in both cases?

I know I'll regret this...but what does huckle-bone mean?

Karen
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:42:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: I am not afraid of words-l!
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> >of her, *please*!!!   I beginning to think that I am IRTN.
>
> IRT what?  An Idiom-retentive Texas Native?  But we already *know* that!
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> So does your <tc/sw> if she's been around you for fifteen minutes....;-}
> --
> It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead

I like this better than the original meaning of IRTN.
--ggs (In Real Trouble Now...)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:13:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: College choice
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>
> Tell her to go to Brown.  The graduate schools aren't much, but
> it's the best undergraduate education in 'merka.  Really.
>
> -Mka

I agree with this, at least the part about the undergraduate
education (though I think that the education a student gets
depends much more on the student than on the institution, with
*some* exceptions, of course).... but, since I did my graduate
work there (and look what I turned out to be) I think the
program in Hispanic Studies is excellent.....
--ggs (lamenting having to agree with -Mka about *anything*...)
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: My trip- the conclusion.
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:10:52
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In-reply-to: "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366"'s message of Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:42:00 EST

Alec writes:

   >     Thanks, Alec.  It was good to hear more about your trip.
   >     I admire your courage in working on your writing and in sharing
   >     it with us.

   >     Carol

   Thanks, this and other comments make me happy. It makes the
   writing seem worth doing.

   later

   alec

I have a paperback copy of Strunk & White's _The Elements of Style_ sitting
right next to me as I type.  I know nothing about the relative merits of
different style guides--all I care about is that I can understand it (plus,
S&W was available).  Why?  Cuz I've decided its about time again to brush
up on my grammar.

Studiously,

//anne//
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Date: 10 Sep 92 02:24:00 GMT
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> >.
> >           bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
> >               m. <ts>
> >             :
> >             :
> >     ---------------------------------
> >     :           :                   :
> >   ndh        doris                 -ggs
> >    m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)
>
> Does all this mean that I'm "Aunt Mama" now?
>
> love, judith

Bingo, mom.
--ggs
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:24:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

                    FATHER'S DAY

     My dad has been in poor health all his life.  Cataracts,
hearing aids, bypass surgery.  He could never be a real physical
father to us because of that, which I guess is why I so need to be
touched and held now.
     He also never made much money, and I know this bothered him a
great deal, because all of my parents' close friends and relatives
seemed to enjoy higher standards of living.  We were always short
of cash and never had the new cars, or vacations that they had.  
     My dad has also always been a big "coin" guy.  He looks
through the change in his pockets every day, hoping to find a coin
that is worth something: a silver half dollar, an "error" penny, a
Buffalo nickel, something like that.  He also plays the lottery and
religiously enters contests in the mail.  Never wins anything. 
     One year, when my brother and I were in high school, we both
worked after school delivering papers, washing cars, that sort of
thing, and when we pooled our money we had something like $600.  I
went to a coin store and bought a 1955 "double die" penny, a famous
mis-struck coin.  It took all the money we'd saved.  The night
before Father's Day I sneaked upstairs and put it on his bureau,
knowing he'd look through all his change the next morning.  My
brother and I were downstairs eating breakfast with my mom when she
asked us if we'd forgotten it was Father's Day again this year. We
just shrugged. Then, she gave us a card to sign.  While we were
signing it, my dad let out a huge yelp and came flying down the
stairs. "Sarah, Richard, Howard!  Look, look, look at this!!" he
said, and lay the coin on the table, along with a coin pricing
guide.  My mom realized what the coin meant and beamed.  She looked
at me and my brother. I winked, she started to cry, and that was
the first time I remember our family truly being happy.

RICHH

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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:40:06 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thanatopsis

>> >someone else.  E.E. Cummings?  Definitely *not* I.A. Richards.
>> >But definitely somebody else.
>> >
>> >-Nka
>> Sorry, Nka. Archibald MacLeish (not Archie Leech, either),
>> in _Ars Poetica_ ("Ars" Latin, not British).
>>
>> judith
>
>Yo, Ausbrook! Pbbbbbth! ah-hahahaha! I.A. Richards!?! Oh, pick me up off
>the floor.
>
>-abh

Seems like what I thought was a very feeble attempt at humor did,
in fact, find its porcine audience.

Nice to hear you laugh, BWP--it's been a while.

-Mka
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:57:09 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Hopefully
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              11 Sep 92 15:08:20 +0000. <9209130243.AA20353@sics.se>

  2Judith says:

  >Yesterday my sister asked me why people get so upset by others'
  >use of the word "hopefully."  Who better to ask than you folks?

  A classic! I doubt that many people have the energy to get upset by
"hopefully" these days. The original objection was simply this:
"hopefully", being an adverbial construction, means "in a hopeful
way".  For example, "Hopefully, Judith opened the door" means that
Judith opened the door hoping to find something on the other side. In
the once objectionable usage, on the other hand, "Hopefully Judith
opened the door" means that the speaker or some unspecified person
hopes that Judith opened the door, which is very peculiar. Does
"Smilingly, Judith opened the door" mean "I smile and Judith opened
the door"? Does "Wilfully, Judith opened the door" mean "I am being
wilful, and Judith opened the door"? So the argument goes.

  Of course the reason why this construction has entered the language is that
English lacks a word or informal construction meaning "it is to be hoped that".
This construction exists in other languages, e.g. German (Hi Brad!) and
Swedish.
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Subject:      Angling

>of the older (in this century, that is) meaning.  I would bet forty cans
>of King Kuts that a poll of a less specialized group of students, say
    ^^^^^^^^^

I can only say that this is rank fishing for mention in Gleanings
next.

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:45:56 EDT
From:         QXN148%URIACC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: hi, y'all

This looked like a fitting title for me to make my grand re-entrance to Words.
I missed this a lot over the summer. How are you all doing?


                        Lisa
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From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Set denial mail

Set denial mail.

Jim (little uunet.uu.net joke there) Thomas
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:58:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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> > We ought to get Giggles to dictate his what-happened-to-me's to richh and
> > see what that cuisinart of a brain could make of them. Greatness, is all.
>
> Why would we want to do that any more than we would want Dickens to write
> Bernard Shaw's material?  Love you abh, but disagree. ;-)
> Doris

In the con<text> of this dual analogy, I want to know which one is
Dickens and which is Bernard Shaw?  I want to be Dickens...  I *want*
to be *Dickens*....
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:02:51 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Zen
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              11 Sep 92 12:36:39 -0400. <9209111935.AA29287@sics.se>

  "One hand clapping" was an invention of Hakuin in the 17th century.
Putting both hands together is the gasshoo, considerably older, and not
a koan. So now, let's consider which of these should apply to the Zen
of the internet...


....hmm...I think the gasshoo has it.
From: TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA (Tony Harminc)
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              11 Sep 1992 19:24:53 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:24:53 CDT Natalie Maynor said:

>One of the best guides to methods of fieldwork in dialectology (which is
>not exactly what we've been discussing but is close in ways) is still,
>IMHO, Lee Pederson's LAGS-related book that came out long before LAGS
>was anywhere close to being finished.  My brain is dead tonight.  I can't
>even remember the title of the book, although it would be very easy to
>find with a quick telnet hop to any library catalogue.  Oh -- LAGS=
>Linguistic Atlas of the Gulf States.

Took a while to realize that this means the southern US states!  Gulf
States always makes me think of Bahrein, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, etc.

Tony H.
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:11:01 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: EMAIL TO MY SCREEN--VILANELLE

Says abh:

>Latest addition to my saved messages.

In spite of hackneyed phraseology, syrupy sweet sentimentality, and a
galloping indefatiguable meter; not bad, I say. :-)

Heck, doesn't this poem ring a bell at all?

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:48:11 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: T

>>This is where the tip of the tongue goes.(It touches little above the
>>bottom edge of the teeth.) And believe me, I can aspirate/not aspirate at
>>will. They are different sounds in my language.
>
>Well, this sounds exactly like what I said I do--touch touches in the
>bottom 1/4 of the teeth.

I thought you said it is difficult to aspirate that kind of sound. If your
the is the same, fine.


>English th is categorized as interdental.  Can you do this?

If you tell me what interdental means.

>Wait.  You said you had no fricatives!  What is sh in tushar, then????

Sorry, I wasn't thinking. Interestingly, this particular sh is supposed to
be a retroflex sh, though very few people pronounce it like that.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:23:30 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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              92 8:15 pm

>   >Mexico.
>
>   Colombia.

	Huh.  My copy of the book sez Mexico.
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Family Tree
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> This is difficult, since the records are incomplete, or in
> some cases lost, but I believe that something like the
> following has a tinge of accuracy to it:
> .
>            bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
>                m. <ts>
>              :
>              :
>      ---------------------------------
>      :           :                   :
>    ndh        doris                 -ggs
>     m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)
    jdh (who				  m.  tc/sw (2)
already makes disparaging
remarks about my relatives...
somehow I don't think I will
show him this)>

This is lovely, Gilbert, but I thought we were *cousins*...I think it's
Natalie who's your other sister.  Unless, of course, there's an
*inheritance* involved. :-)
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:42:51 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
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> > > I'll make it a *very* textually sexy crontab file...
> 	Me neither...  Whatever it is, I expect to receive one in a couple of
> 	weeks.

Why does the name "crontab" make me think of Faulkner and sex...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     logging off now to WORK... for a while...
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:00:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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> any corrections from family members?
>
> YES!!!!!!! How *COULD* you forget your very own sweet daughter JILL?????
>
> doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)

She was *uppermost* in my mind, and you, sis, are losing your eyesight.
--ggs
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:06:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> also your sister.  Hmmm.  More thought needed here. Where *is* the maker
> of the <tree>?

I'm right here -- surprise!! -- and I am beginning to think that what
we need is a new edition of the <tree> to satisfy the longing of all
those poor relatives who were left <disinterested>.....
--ggs (who has found the uninterested-disinterested discussion *very*
<dis>interesting....  sorry....  y'all please try to say at least
*one* fascinating thing while I am gone, please, to justify my reading
275 messages when I return.... the least you can do, furchrissake...)
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      re: wordsler birthdays
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Just so I can say I posted once today:  next July 3 you can
think of me as the firecracker that exploded too early.  This past July 3
I was in Stratford-Upon-Avon and had my picture taken at Shakespeare's
birthplace. :-)

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:53:13 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Angling
              13 Sep 1992 16:39:08 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:39:08 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>>I continue to miss this one.  What has Lorne Green (aka _The Voice of Doom_)
>>to do with dog food ?
>
>He used to do Alpo commercials here in GOC.  The line was "Maybe
>Phaedox's been around so long because Alpo's been around so
>long."  He was also doing the ads at a time when old folk eating
>dogfood was much in the new.

Ah - I see.  Not having a TV set does that to you.  Of course Green
died a year or so ago, so I'm sure he's not doing Alpo any more.

>BTW--Hang on up there.

Thanks - I'm trying.  Setting NOMAIL in the hopes that it'll take
some of the pressure off from those who want to kill the ID.

Tony H.
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:41:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Garcia Marquez
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> Dear Professor Giggles,
>
> 	Have you sufficient knolwedge of Gabriel Garcia
> Marquez that if I asked you weird questions like "what
> is the significance of the name "Melquiades" for the old
> gypsy in OHYOS, you'd be able to rattle off the correct
> answer to an essay question?
>
> Regards,
>
> Czarina Rita
> (making note that "Garcia y Rouvalis" would be a
> multicultural abomination, so we're breaking with
> the tradition).

That is the sort of thing that I have been making my students
do for years, but I would probably fail a test like that.  I do
know OHYOS well enough (having taught it about 15 times) to answer
a lot of wierd questions....  but that particular one has me
stumped.....   I would need time to make up a significance.
--ggs (who still thinks the first baby should be named
       Czarinita Garcia Rouvalis....  lovely sound to it...)
  p.s.:  Most of the stuff in OHYOS can't be *explained*... it's
  there simply because it "happened" that way... sort of like what
  HTMITL....... who could *ever* explain that?  -abh won't even
  *believe* it.
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