HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sdp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sunil.d.patil)
Subject: You and Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:50:54 GMT


To all those beautiful, loving and compassionate girls,

LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I turned to leave in friendship.
You touched my spirit.
Then you turned again and kissed me. 
You touched my heart.

True love is as a river; while
it takes many turns and
crosses over many rocks, it
never ceases to flow.

One of the problems with
life today, is that some
people want to make love
first, then fall in love as
an option.

Some people say that love is 
blind - I think it is those
people who do not love
that are blind.

If I told you that I will love
you forever,
Forever is only the beginning.

I have tried and tried to
define what love is - and
all the while the answer
was easy - YOU!


Sunil.

Devilish minded and satanic headeds need not add
anything to these lovely thoughts.
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Support for young women in science
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:34:39 GMT
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


>->>->         In many universities these days, I understand that black students
>->    tend to sit with other black students in the cafetaria and white
>->    students with other white students.  If they feel more comfortable this
>->    way, then that is their choice.
>-

To which I replied,

>-To which I say:  Looks like you have answered your own question.  That is,
>-some women would feel more comfortable talking to only women -- THAT is
>-*clearly* one thing group (A) achieves that group (B) cannot.
>-
>-rini
>
>   It is clear that Rini C. thinks of a group for women only as like a
>table where only white students happen to be sitting and I think of it
>as like a cafetaria where black students are not allowed. 

No, it is not clear at all.  You said that you could not see what a
single sex group could *possibly* offer over a two sex group.  I said that
some people feel more comfortable in the company of their own sex.
That, in and of itself, is something that a single sex group can
offer over a two sex group.

I made no mention as to whether or not single sex groups should be
*enforced* or *optional* or whatever.  In my opinion, there are both
plusses and minusses to single sex groups.  You said you saw NO plus.
So I merely pointed one out. 

rini
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: WOMEN ARE NOT PAYED LESS THAN MEN
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:21:25 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <lbs79nINN960@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:
/Since statistics
/supposedly *do* show that women, on average, get paid less than men,
/your "theory" really works better to prove that sexism exists.

According to the 1-Sep-92 WSJ, men work an average of 45 hrs/week, women
work an average of 40.
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,soc.men
From: todd@hector.uucp (24102-todd)
Subject: Re: Help! I need romantic ideas.
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:02:16 GMT

In article <cannon.26.718310800@scs.unt.edu> cannon@scs.unt.edu (Dustin Cannon (Lab 3460)) writes:
>
>
>	Hi everybody,
>	I have recently been told that I am not romantic, which is true (
>long story).  My girlfriend said it was little things that I was overlooking 
>like flowers, cards, etc..  I was wondering if you had any other little 
>romantic things I could do that would make my SO think I am the most 
>romantic guy ever!  I'm just a college student, so nothing too expensive.  
>Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dustin Cannon       "For the first time I laid my heart open 
>University of        to the benign indifference of the universe."
>North Texas                           -Albert Camus

Write a love letter and tell her how you feel about her.
Carolyn Todd
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: kbanerje@grad09.math.ncsu.edu (Kaushik Banerjee)
Subject: definition of feminism
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:31:23 GMT

What is your definition of feminism?
Please e-mail your responses. Thanx

K. Banerjee  kbanerje@math.ncsu.edu


Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism
From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
Subject: Re: Mattel and math avoidance in girls
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:07:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.231026.9791@news.Hawaii.Edu>
dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Deborah Maraziti (aka Spacee)) writes:
>
>The Mattel representative speaking to me also said that each doll has four
>phrases.  Seems like math _must_ be tough in that company as I was told
>there is only a 1% chance that a given doll would say 
>"Math class is hard!"  Hmm:  4/100=1%????

Well.....it is possible after all that the dolls were programmed
intentionally rather than randomly, and that someone actually
decided that only 1 out of 100 dolls should be programmed to
include 'math class is hard' as one of their 4 phrases.  Seems
unlikely, though.

In any case, it sounds like you can simply return your mathophobic
Barbie to the retailer for a more suitable replacement.

I wonder how many times this will happen, and whether Mattel is
likely to end up with a pile of Barbies that they'll have to
reprogram in order to sell?

-S. Schultz
Xref: sparky soc.women:17435 soc.men:17402 alt.feminism:2146
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Affirmative Action (Re: The Politics Of Appeasement)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:23:58 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:

>If women have a "lock" on these jobs (a 90% rate of awarding child 
>custody to women reflects this) and on the "educational slots" that 
>permit them to stay at home if they choose, then should we implement 
>affirmative action for men? 

Unfortunately, there *aren't* such "educational slots".  People
don't really learn how to parent.  Neither men nor women.  Most
mothers (as well as fathers) often feel ill-equipped for the job.
They don't really have any idea what to do when Suzi comes
home crying because her classmates tease her. 
They don't really know what kinds of after-school activities will
benefit Johnnie most.
Most parents are pretty unsure of themselves and are just trying 
to get by taking it one day at a time.

						--  Michal
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:30:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.women
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: mdhc

In article <137866@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.101604.10769@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>>In article <137606@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep29.155335.2585@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>>>> Actually, a woman's eyelids become suffused with blood after a good orgasm.
>>>>That's what eye shadow tries to simulate.
>>>
>>>This is the most *utterly* *ridiculous* thing I've seen posted here
>>>today!  
>>
>>I thought it was funny.  I wonder how many people checked out their
>>eyelids after having an orgasm.
>>
>>I'm still trying to figure out what a bad orgasm is...
> 
> 
> Worse yet, I wonder how many male readers believed the original
> post.  :) :) :)
> 

  Every one who decided that finding out for themsevs might just be a lot
more fun than debating it on usenet!  :)  :)  :)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  "Middle-aged Mutant Ninja Animator" |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|   "I want my name in the press.  Why? Because I can make a lot         |
|    of money! I figure if I'm going through all this pain and           |
|                   suffering, I'm getting a Ferrari!"                   |
|                                                                        |
|     Amy Fisher, just prior to her plea bargain for attempted murder.   |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: jrmo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joseph.r.moore)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:48:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.214335.25648@news.nd.edu> slarsen@monet.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:
>
>I wonder, would Affirmative Action be available to men pursuing a 
>secretarial job (95% plus female)?  Does anyone know?

I have heard of hospitals recruiting male nurses.
I think AA has made reverse discrimination such that white men are seen
as the bad guy.  If you're a poor unfortunate white, it's your own fault,
even if a less qualified member of a represented group receives preferential
treatment.  I think it only proliferates injustice to judge people by the
group they belong to.  Once there was a dream that all were created equally,
and that they would be judged by the content of their character and not the
color of their skin.  I guess that dream has to be put on hold.

Somehow, in sports, things seem to be balancing by themselves.  With the
amount of money on the line, race has no place in sports, all players are
the color of the jersey they wear.  If qualified minorities are overlooked
in favor of less qualified white men, wouldn't those businesses be more
likely to fail, be less profitable.

Why not treat people equally without regard to race, sex, religion?
The injustices felt by white men turned down for civil service or high
paying factory jobs in favor of minorities who receive bonus points
for skin color does not help the situation.  Hiring incompetent minorities
to fill quotas, and promoting poorly qualified minorites only helps to
feed the fire that "such-and-such minority group are lazy, incompetent"
and worse yet, those minority group members who are qualified and competent
get lumped in with the others.

It's negative action in my book.

Joe Moore

Newsgroups: soc.women
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Subject: Re: TV Single Parents and Whose Values?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:47:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.150600.4313@news.nd.edu> slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:
>I've been thinking about Dan Quayle again (what are daytime 
>nightmares called?) and his trashing of Murphy Brown as a 
>single mother role-model on TV.  It struck me that if any 
>group on television is massively underrepresented and are 
>portrayed in a negative light it is the single mother.
>
>I wracked my brain to come up with shows featuring single mothers 
>and I shook out The Partridge Family, Julia, Lucy (in various 
>incarnations) and Scarecrow and Mrs. King.

Also, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.

>and unwed motherhood started escalating in this country.   If Dan Quayle 
>and the fundy right are casting about for a true family-values villian, 
>I would nominate Steve Douglas.  After all, he hit the scene in the late 
>fifties, that shining era of true family values, and Steve made it look 
>too easy rearing up those three high-spirited lads while holding down a 
>glam job as an aeronautics engineer.  And the man never shed a tear 
>over the demise of the two-parent family.  

Thank you for an outstanding, thoughtful article.  You've made some very
thought provoking and interesting points about something that never would
have occurred to me.
-- 
Linda V. Hill                           Email: linda@net.com
Network Equipment Technologies          Phone: (415) 780-5785
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063 
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: cannon@scs.unt.edu (Dustin Cannon (Lab 3460))
Subject: Help! I need romantic ideas.
Organization: School of Community Service, UNT
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:46:40 GMT



	Hi everybody,
	I have recently been told that I am not romantic, which is true (
long story).  My girlfriend said it was little things that I was overlooking 
like flowers, cards, etc..  I was wondering if you had any other little 
romantic things I could do that would make my SO think I am the most 
romantic guy ever!  I'm just a college student, so nothing too expensive.  
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

_________________________________________________________________
Dustin Cannon       "For the first time I laid my heart open 
University of        to the benign indifference of the universe."
North Texas                           -Albert Camus
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: a question for wives...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 18:41:10 GMT

In article <92269.104438IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>How did you finally get your wonderful man to the altar?
>I'd like to hear your personal success stories!!!
>How did you get your fiance to finally tie the knot and
>agree to set a date?
>
>All ideas/advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

This seems ridiculous and self-defeating to me.  If your partner
doesn't want to commit, to marriage, to a monogamous relationship,
whatever, accept that.  Find another partner who wants the same things
you do.

Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.couples
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:18:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.043039.26375@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>In article <73740054@hpsad.sad.hp.com> sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
>>In soc.women, noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>>
>>    ...the interesting part is that they don't think there is
>>    anything wrong with the young man's father being forced to pay for his
>>    college tuition because of a divorce decree....
>>
>>If the man's father said he would pay the college tuition at the time of
>>the divorce, then I really do not see anything wrong with him fulfilling
>>that promise and paying!  Where do you get "forced to pay" from?  My ex
>>agreed to pay the childrens' college expenses so that I would agree to
>>alimony that was much smaller than normal.  He got the concessions and
>>agreed to the consequences.  The children had less money when they were
>>in grade school.  They should not feel guilty of what you consider a
>>"free ride" any more than a child who gets a "free meal" at the age of 2.
>>Their parents wanted them to have this priviledge and they have it, period.
>
>Hey, if a father has the money to pay his children's college expenses,
>and he wants to pay, then who in the world would question his right to
>do so?  No one.  All intact families are given the choice of paying for
>their children's college educations, and many don't have the money -
>some have the money, but don't pay.  The point is that in some states
>the law forces non-custodial parents (85% of whom are fathers) to pay
>for the college expenses of their children.  They are not given any
>choice.   In fact, Indiana is one such state and my parents divorced in
>Indiana several years ago.  My mother can take my father to court and
>force my father to pay college expenses for my 16-year-old brother when
>he graduates from high school.  My parents paid less than $1500 towards
>my college education - and none of it was forced.

	Right on, aaron.

	Problem is that these men don't "agree".  They are TOLD!!!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Support for young women in science
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 21:50:18 EDT
 <92272.015045RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET><1992Oct1.153439.15544@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-
-I made no mention as to whether or not single sex groups should be
-*enforced* or *optional* or whatever.  In my opinion, there are both
-plusses and minusses to single sex groups.  You said you saw NO plus.
-So I merely pointed one out.
-
-rini

  Of course there is a plus.  Perhaps there is alos a minus.   Which is
bigger?  I don't really know, and maybe, by now, I don't even care!! -:)

Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.182457.22437@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.161757.5779@news.nd.edu> slarsen@titian.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:
>
>)I've always heard AA described as assisting "women and minorities".  That 
>)phrase does not imply that women are a minority, just that they are 
>)considered, along with ethnic minorities, in need of affirmative action. 
>
>I've *never* heard men referred to as a 'minority' though.  Even though they
>do compose less than half of the population.  It's rare to hear women 
>referred to as 'a majority' too, though that is also technically correct.
>It's part of the same thing, I think.

Splitting hairs, "women and minorities" therefore refers to all people.

Is a European background not an "ethnic" background?  Are men not
a minority?  Why don't white men get affirmative action?

(Don't tell me it's because they can't jump?  :-)

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: A question for wives
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 22:46:04 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
-
-You left out the key part, "...to someone who is not eager to marry
-you". All the "feminist" responses I have seen indicated (and I
-entirely agree) that getting married _just to be married_ is not a
-particularly good thing to do. I'd also have to say that a
-relationship that starts with cynical manipulation is not likely to be
-a stable one.
-
---
-Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom

   Actually, the original message did not make it clear whether advice was
being sought on getting SOME man to the altar or a PARTICULAR man - in fact
the fiance - to the altar.  Obviously how we react to the posting will depend
on the actual situation which was left ambiguous.  If indeed it was her fiance
who was nervous about getting married, then getting counselling would semm
like the right thing to do.

Rohit Parikh
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,soc.men
Subject: Re: Guilty of ... STUPIDITY!
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:21:57 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <nyikos.717909582@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <Bv8z4z.86I@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>

>>You seem to conveniently and persistently ignore the proposal that 
>>a woman need not inform her husband if it poses a danger to her.

Who determines that informing her husband poses a danger to her. The
courts?

In Oregon there was a case where a woman fled her violently abusive mate
without warning him in advance on the advice of a therapist; the advice
was given since on the occasions where she had tried to notify him, he
had attacked her so viciously that she required several days of hospitaliza-
tion. On the therapists advice, she packed and left one day while he was
out of the house.

He found her on a Portland street and killed her. He was given a minimal
penalty since judge, jury, prosecutor, and defense attorney all agreed
that she had 'provoked' him by leaving him without notification. She
had been, in their view, disrespectful, dishonest, and rude. They came
to this conclusion despite testimony from the therapist, the hospital staff,
police, and the women's shelter staff.

Do you really think that women should leave their lives in the hands of
people like that?


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen)
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:33:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.101604.10769@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>In article <137606@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.155335.2585@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>>>
>>>  Actually, a woman's eyelids become suffused with blood after a good orgasm.
>>>That's what eye shadow tries to simulate.
>>
>>This is the most *utterly* *ridiculous* thing I've seen posted here
>>today!  Although the post about withholding sex because the male desires
>>it is a close second.
>
>I thought it was funny.  I wonder how many people checked out their
>eyelids after having an orgasm.
>
>I'm still trying to figure out what a bad orgasm is...
>

I know! I know!  When you crack your skull on the headboard 
while thrashing about.  Then your head gets suffused with blood.

Sue Larsen
slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: kids and last names (was:My Bitter/Sweet Tale)
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:07:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

ronw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ron Whitetree) writes:

>my wife was having
>problems with her last name being different from the kids

What does this mean?  What kind of problems?  Has anybody else out 
abything to comment on this?  

						--  Michal
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Mattel and math avoidance in girls
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:31:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.203919.2777@zip.eecs.umich.edu> charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:

	According to the Wall Street Journal this morning, Mattel is selling
	a product called "Teen Talk Barbie" which says 4 phrases.  One of the 
	phrases is "Math class is hard".

Wow, this is amazing; where can I get one? :@)

Seriously, while I don't believe in all of feminist sociology, I am
stunned by this. Reminds me of a book I read once: "I'm glad I'm not a gamma, because they wear
kakhi (sp?) which is such a beastly color..." (rough paraphrase...)
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
***********************************
*  "There's a dog in the station  *
*   With a bad reputation         *
*   That's a sign of the nation's *
*   Decay"                        *
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