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From: FHD@tamvm1.tamu.edu (H. Alan Montgomery)
Subject: ftp Site Possible?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:32:46 GMT

>Right now it is impossible to get a weeks' worth of SEDSNEWS. At one time
>we were talking about an ftp site for SEDS stuff. What ever  happened  to
>that idea?
>
>The reason I made SEDSNEWS weekly was so that people could get the weekly
>logs over the net. Now even the weekly logs are too big.
>
>1) My suggestion is that the logs go back to monthly.
>2) I would convert the logs to .ZIP archival format.
>3) Put them on some ftp site so that people could get to the logs.
>
>I would appreciate some input here. Very few people have ever asked about
>getting old SEDSNEWS logs or even SEDS-L logs. Now it turns out that they
>could not have gotten them even had they wanted to do  so.  The  question
>then arises why keep a log that no one can use?
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:19:58 PST
From:         Deborah Elaine Smith <desmith@JARTHUR.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Purpose of SEDS-L

	Let's start fostering more communication on SEDS-L from all our
subscribing members by starting fun, productive discussions!

        When I signed up new members for the Claremont College SEDS chapters
I sent them information about how to sign up for SEDS-L and SEDS-NEWS.
Several of them did sign up and unfortunately, the discussions about UNM
and the Nova held little relevance for them.  They signed up because they
were interested in space and in SEDS.  They wanted to hear discussions
about what SEDS members can do, SEDS activities, and neat information like that.
The discussion about issues like the UNM debt and the funding for the NOVA are
very necessary but I think we shouldn't short change our subscribers.

	SO LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

	To start this new trend, I would like to start a two part contest on
SEDS-L.  The first part would be a contest where individual subscribers
would come up with as many fund-raising ideas for SEDS as possible.
The more ideas a person can come up with the better.(The ideas can be a little
wacky as long as they can be done.)  ALL SUBSCRIBERS ARE WELCOME TO POST
IDEAS ON SEDS-L.  The tentative date for last submissions will be December 10.
Individuals are welcome to post ideas as they think of them, i.e.,
post some ideas now  and more ideas later as they think of them.  The quicker
the ideas are posted the less chance they will be already taken.
The top ten contributers will be recognized in the NOVA and sent a
certificate of recognition for their contribution to SEDS.
So send in your fundraising ideas to SEDS-L as quickly as possible!

	The second part of the contest would be a chapter contest to see
which chapter can implement the ideas the best.  The rules for this
contest haven't been set so I'm welcome to ideas.

	This type of discussion could serve a two part purpose.
1.  Get more people involved with SEDS.
2.  Help chapters with fundraising by giving them ideas and providing an
    added incentive to go after fund raising.

	More contests over SEDS-L will follow, such as contests to come
up with activity ideas for SEDS chapters.

						Ad Astra Per Ardua!
						Debbie Smith
						CSEDS President
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:54:41 PST
From:         "(Irwin Kenneth Horowitz)" <irwin%CitJulie.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hi Sharon!
              6-Nov-1992

(Amy's excessive verbosity has been deleted for the sake of our sanity :-)
> See ya!
> Amy Houts :^)
> SEDS National Executive Board (sometimes Boring) Member
Amy,
        You may be many things, but you are never boring! :-)
                                        Irwin
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:11:15 PST
From:         "(Irwin Kenneth Horowitz)" <irwin%CitJulie.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UKSEDS Chair & Sec on net
              6-Nov-1992

Sharon,
        There are a number of exciting projects and activities that SEDS
chapters participate in around the world.  Among some of these here in the
US are the SEDSAT program located at UAH SEDS, which is working on launching
a satellite into orbit early in 1994.  Other chapters are working on technical
projects ranging from Shuttle GAS Can experiments (3 of which are located
here at Caltech), designing and building a booster rocket (at UCLA) and working
with JPL and NASA on the design and construction of a probe to be sent to Pluto
early in the next century.  There are, of course, other technical projects
with which I am not as familiar, but I'm sure their proponents are only too
willing to advertise it here.
        We are also working on a program to educate students around the country
on the benefits of space exploration and development.  We are working to
improve our ties with other education groups like Space Camp, the National
Science Teachers Association and the Challenger Center as well as other
activist groups like the Planetary Society and the National Space Society in
order to get the word out on the benefits of space.
        On a local level, our chapters work at putting together exciting
activities and events for their members, such as tours of local space and
aerospace facilities, star parties, speakers and social events (each term
Caltech SEDS hosts an ice-cream social here on campus).  We also organize
our own conferences, with an annual summer conference for SEDS-USA as well
as occasional regional conferences, such as the upcoming CalSEDS '93 conference
in February.  At these conferences, we meet not only with top space
professionals, but also with our fellow SEDS members from around the country
to chart out the future direction of our organization.
        This is just a sampling of some of the activities that SEDS-USA
undertakes and I hope that it further whets your appetite for more information
about our organization.
                                        Irwin Horowitz
                                        SEDS-USA National Assistant Treasurer
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:49:45 PST
From:         "(Jeffrey Alan Foust)" <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My IDM input.
              "USS@space-society.uh.edu" at Nov 8, 92 5:23 am

Alvin says:
> P.S.:    Caltech 18,000?    UH 31,000   I would have thought Caltech bigger.
>
Actually, you're too big by an order of magnitude!  Caltech has approx. 800
undergrads and 1000 grad students.  Time magazine once said that Caltech has
"a reputation disproportionate to its size."  Yep.

Ad astra,

Jeff

PS: Send those ballots in!  Twelve hours to go!
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:58:09 EST
From:         "(Moreley Nelles)" <mnelles@LYNX.DAC.NORTHEASTERN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ftp Site Possible?

>
> >Right now it is impossible to get a weeks' worth of SEDSNEWS. At one time
> >we were talking about an ftp site for SEDS stuff. What ever  happened  to
> >that idea?
> >
> >The reason I made SEDSNEWS weekly was so that people could get the weekly
> >logs over the net. Now even the weekly logs are too big.
> >
> >1) My suggestion is that the logs go back to monthly.
> >2) I would convert the logs to .ZIP archival format.
> >3) Put them on some ftp site so that people could get to the logs.
> >
> >I would appreciate some input here. Very few people have ever asked about
> >getting old SEDSNEWS logs or even SEDS-L logs. Now it turns out that they
> >could not have gotten them even had they wanted to do  so.  The  question
> >then arises why keep a log that no one can use?

I don't know what system you are on, but you can certainly use the
SEDS-L logs.  Everytime NU's computers go down (which can be for a few
days) my SEDS-l subscription disappears, and then I have to resubscribe,
missing a few days debate.  the point to all this is that when the
computer comes back up I get the logs and catch back up.  I also
frequently delete most things I receive because I know that I can get
htem on the logs.  SEDS-L is fine as it is as far as I'm concerned.  I
have no problems with it being improved, but I certainly don't want to
loose anything I can currently do as a cost to that improvement.

Drew Nelles
Member, SEDS-USA Executive Board
>
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:09:31 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      AL mailing, printing...

Thanks everyone at UAH for printing and mailing the NOVA this time.

If you are willing to put in the hours printing and mailing, it would
be certainly appropriate to reimburse you for your service...we'll
just send a check along with the hard copy...

Are you guys willing to do this on a more permanent basis with the IDM
program footing the bill?

John
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:50:49 EST
From:         alweigel@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Individual Memberships (IDMs)

Hi,

Just a couple of *new* points on IDMs.  Yes folks, by reading this post
you won't hear the same old tired things normally said on the subject.

First, why should we do IDMs?  I don't think that we should.  SEDS
has been (for as long as I've known it - 5 years) an organization
of *active* people.  People who aren't content to just sit idly and read
a nice space magazine, but people who are out doing projects - organizing
speakers, doing research, educating young people - on a daily basis.
SEDS membership may be small in shear numbers, but look how active that small
group is.  And that, even more than the fact that we're all students, makes us
stand out from *every other single space group*  that exists.  No one else can
claim that.

IDMs would only serve to send a couple hundred students a relatively "wimpy"
space newsletter every other month.  Let's look at the NOVA in an objective
manner.  It's not flashy, it's not current by virture of how long it takes
us to publish it, and it's not very broad-reaching.  There are plenty of other
space magazines that would be much better to get (if receiving a magazine
is what thrills you) - that would keep you better informed, etc. - than the
SEDS NOVA.  I'm not trying to berate the NOVA.  It serves our needs without
being flashy, those needs being keeping chapters updated on what other
chapters do.  In that respect, it is very good.  But if you really want
to be updated on the "space scene", subscribe to "Ad Astra", "Aviation Wee
& Space Technology", "Final Frontier", "The Planetary Report", or best of
all "Space News".

If we start this IDM thing, we become just like all those other "space
organizations" - the NSS, TPS, AIAA.  They just send out a magazine to their
members every month.  That's all their members do - read a magazine.

Let's keep SEDS the way it should be - a small group of active people.
If we run into people who want to find out more about space, but don't
have the energy/drive to start a chapter, then we should suggest they
subscribe to "Space News" and keep trying to start that chapter!

Ad Astra!  Lisa Weigel
           US Co-Chairman

*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
"A small group of motivated people will get more done that a huge crowd
of inactive people ever will.  And I'll take the small group any day."
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:21:26 PST
From:         "(Jeffrey Alan Foust)" <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      T-Con Sunday

	Keeping with the tradition of the biweekly t-con, the next SEDS-USA
National Executive Board t-con is scheduled for Sunday, 15 November at 12 noon
PST (3pm EST).  It will be held on SEDS Haven (blanca.uccs.edu 7337), unless
the system is down, in which case we will hold the t-con on ICB.

	Here are some tentative agenda items to be discussed - please make
suggestions!

	Treasury report
	Reports on activities of board members
	Constitutional changes and by-law creation
	Reimbursement policy
	...

Ad astra,

Jeff
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:21:48 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      voting...

So I propose that the return address for all IDM forms read:

SEDS-USA
MIT, Room W20-445
77 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA  02139

-----

Well, we're voting on that =)

John
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:19:40 PST
From:         "(John A. Wright)" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      re: doug

>The mailing adress needs to stay MIT.  Just because you have a stable chapter
 now doesn't mean you'll have one five years from now. (Yes, disasters can
 happen)

There has been no expansion in Boston over the last 12 years.  Over the last
3 years many universities and colleges in the LA area now have SEDS chapters
The chance that *all* of them will dies in the next 5 years is very small.
All the chapters (and people) out here support each other.  No such
support exists in MA....just a point...

>Also, is there a possibility of creating say a space seds-l and a business
 seds-l so that we could keep from scaring away the new people......

Yes, it's called the exec-L...let's start using it...

John
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 15:29:00 CDT
From:         Mary OSullivan <MFOSULLI@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: motivation

>From:    IN%"ERL-L@TCSVM.BITNET"   "Educational Research List (TCSVM)"
>To:      Multiple recipients of list ERL-L <ERL-L@TCSVM.BITNET>
>Subject: motivation
>
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>
>Do any two or four year institutions of higher education use any
>measuring device to determine a student's motivation before they are
>accepted into the school?  If so, what is being used.  For students that
>fall in a grey area, so to speak, as to whether they should be admitted
>or not, what additional policies or procedures does your institution use
>(besides ACT,SAT, and high school GPA) to make this determination?  I
>would appreciate any information on this subject, or possible leads to
>other references...Thank You.  Sue
I too would be interested in such information.  Here in Wisconsin, there is a
movement afoot that would give high school students credit for Technical College
(our 2 year colleges) classes as well as receiving high school credit for it.
In an effort to make sure students entering our schools really do have the
skills necesary to be successful (particularly in our writing courses) we are
exploring various assessment instruments.
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Date: 5 Nov 92 20:01:00 GMT
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Dear colleague:
     Please inform me if you know any conference in education, held in December
 1992 or January, 1993 in California.  Thanks.
 Wendy Pan
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:05:00 CST
From:         P30JWP1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Ed. Research: All Played Out?

The following response to Gary Shank's comments has been submitted
to ERL-L by Ed Wood, WOODPSYC@UWLAX.EDU

Gary Shank made a number of interesting points in his "invited
contribution" to this list.  Before too many people rush to
reply, I think they should be aware that others are making similar
observations about other disciplines.  For example, William Bevan's
lead article in the May, 1991, issue of the American Psychologist
urges psychologists to enlarge their view of what is important/relev
useful.  He wrote, "My growing discontent with psychology over the p
several decades stems from, among other things, my perception that t
many psychologists hug the intellectual shoreline and are content to
paddle quietly in their own small ponds.  We live in a coherent worl
although one of never-ending complexity.  The big questions about it
will never be answered if scholars simply attend to the comfortable
little questions, no matter how important these latter exercises may
themselves seem to be."  Camille Paglia made similar observations in
article that coincidentally appeared in the May 8, 1991, issue of th
Chronicle of Higher Education.  In an article responding to both
Bevan and Paglia, I wrote  in the March, 1992, American Psychologist
that among other things, "The problem is that many seem attracted to
the academic life, to science, and to psychology not as a calling
but as a job (the Latin-based word 'vocation' connotes no more than
does the Anglo-Saxon word 'job'."  I suggested a metaphor, that of a
orrisroot, to characterize the nature of psychology as an enterprise
I think the metaphor applies to education and educational research a
well.  The  mine isn't played out.  We just seem to have gotten lost
on one level of one wing of the labyrinthine library in Umberto Eco'
Name of the Rose.
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:21:49 -1000
From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: motivation

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992, ADSF000 wrote:

> Do any two or four year institutions of higher education use any
> measuring device to determine a student's motivation before they are
> accepted into the school?  If so, what is being used. . . .
> Sue

I teach freshman and advanced expository writing at a community college,
and from my perspective as a classroom teacher, I've learned to be wary of
any student whose registration is handled by a sibling, counselor, parent,
significant other, etc.  Other signs of low motivation: missing the first
day or two of class; asking on the first day if it's OK to miss a week or
two to take a trip; asking if the required text is required; arriving in
class, on the first day, empty-handed and asking to borrow my pen and a
piece of paper to take notes.

Jim S.
. . . it's been a looong week . . .
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:22:33 EST
From:         "(Richard Velez)" <ricky@MINDVOX.PHANTOM.COM>

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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:47:34 CST
From:         "H. Alan Montgomery" <FHD@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      ***ATTENTION*** Anyone who regularly posts to SEDSNEWS.

If you regularly post to SEDSNEWS using  the  sci.space  or  sci.shuttle,
please modify your routing so that it goes to:
   bit.listserv.sedsnews

instead of SEDSNEWS@TAMVM1. Right now, the posts show up on SEDSNEWS  but
not bit.listserv.sedsnews,   which was  the  whole  point  of  opening  a
newsgroup on UseNet News.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:15:39 EST
Reply-To:     "(Aaron V. Sacks)" <sacks@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
From:         "(Aaron V. Sacks)" <sacks@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      econet

Hello my name is Aaron Sacks and I am a student at SUNY-Buffalo and new to
biosph-l.  An article on the rain forest in Outside magazine mention a
computer network called EcoNet that allows conservationists to keep abreast of
international environmental news.  I was wondering if anyone has any info on
this network and how I can be linked into it.



Thank you in advance!

Aaron Sacks
sacks@acsu.buffalo.edu
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:37:30 PST
Reply-To:     Anthony Whitworth <awhitworth@IGC.APC.ORG>
From:         Anthony Whitworth <awhitworth@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Biodiversity Convention

I have sent a copy of the full text of the convention to Carolyn
in E-mail only. If anyone wants a copy contact me.

The biodiversity treaty has now been signed by 157 countries
(including the European Community), but as you well know, not the
United States.

Regards

Anthony Whitworth, EcoNet Program
Institute for Global Communications
From: dyurman@IGC.APC.ORG (Dan Yurman)
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Subject: Re: recent Presidential election
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:16:40 GMT
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The sign in Clinton's campaign HQ says it all - "It's the
economy - stupid."  Jobs and the American dream disappeared
while Reagan and Bush took care of their rich friends.  I
think most of what's left of the American middle class has
figured out that real wages \declined int he past 12 years.
Sorry, but neither abortion nor environment are top tier
issues in the results.

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From: JNJMC@ALASKA.BITNET (JMC)
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Subject: using this list
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:57:17 GMT
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I have been investigating the use of computer networks and conferences
as a possible teaching tool for high school science classes.  When I
first got on this list last winter, I found it really updated and
invigorated my environmental knowledge and awareness, which consequently
helped my teaching.  I wanted students to maybe get a taste of this
experience themselves.
I agree that students need to be taught good research skills and
methods before jumping on a network, for instance.
I would like to know from the organizers and/or other participants
what the conception of this list is:  is it primarily a place to
present cutting-edge information, or a place to bounce ideas back &
forth, or a place to ask questions and get answers, or a type of
news service, or an experts' discussion, or what?
I don't believe this has been addressed on the list since I have
joined (Jan. 92).
Jan Conitz
JNJMC@ALASKA