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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Discussion Of Trek's Peripheral Material
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:31:21 GMT

jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us (Jason Lindquist) writes:
>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Tim Lynch) writes:
>>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J. Gorcey) writes:

>>>     Since Richard Arnold's dismissal, however, Trek authors he had
>>>     alienated are flocking back to the franchise and Duane is
>>>     currently working on a TNG hardcover concerning the TOS Mirror
>>>     Universe.

>>Correct.  Working title:  _Through a Glass Darkly_.

>Two points:
>1) I feel like an idiot for not reading the net and missing Richard Arnold's
>dismissal.  Never do that again...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.  :-)

>Any idea of a release date for _Darkly_?

Not to my knowledge.  My guess would be sometime late this year, but that's
a complete guess.

Tim Lynch
From: kfree@arghouse.UUCP (Kenneth Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Wesley's "Punishment" (SPOILERS FOR FIRST DUTY)
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:27:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: arghouse.3oquiB2w164w
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Organization: The Listening Post

trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall) writes:

> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
> 
> > No, but his graduation will be delayed, everyone at the Academy will be 
> > laughing at him, a year's worth of F's destroys his chances of graduating
> > in the top 10%, and he has to live with 20-th  century doors longer. 
> > 
> He wasn't going to receive F's for his courses.  Rather, it was going to 
> appear as though he had never taken them.  Sure, they'll be easy for him the 
> second time through, but like you said, the other students will be "laughing 
> at him", since they'll all know why he's there.
> 
>                                                 -- Trekkie
> 
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OK, is everyone happy? Wesley will suffer the scorn of his peers
for one year -until he invents the time machine.

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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: 3 more reviews (JUSTICE ... HIDE & Q)
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:11:13 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <23377@life.ai.mit.edu> mary@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Mary S. Lee) writes:
>Although I thought that "QPid" was a very poor episode, I know several
>people who liked it, and I remember others defending it on r.a.s.  On the
>other hand, I can't recall *anyone* saying they liked "Justice."  Therefore
>"Justice" may be a better candidate for worst episode, as it appears to be
>almost universally disliked.  [Uh oh, visions of hundreds of irritated
>"Justice" fans frantically typing at their keyboards...]

"Qpid" is, without a doubt in my mind, the worst Star Trek episode ever
produced on film.  It makes the worst animated episode look like film
classics!

Oops, got carried away again. :-)

>As for "The Royale," I seem to recall that Michael Rawdon quite liked this
>one.  And while it's probably in my bottom quarter of TNG episodes, I don't
>think it's close to the bottom ten ("Damn it, Jim, I liked that revolving
>door and Data's manipulation of the dice.")

Well, you might be overstating my liking of the episode somewhat (the Texan
character makes me gag, for instance), but it's not even in the running for
the title of "Worst TNG Episode", as far as I'm concerned.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I think that (one of) TNG's problems is that it considers lacking action,
 humor and character interplay to be interchangable with cerebral (just like
 it often considers civility and lack of conflict interchangable with
 friendship)."
			- Atsushi Kanamori on rec.arts.startrek, 7 July 1991
From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Troi nude gifs (where!?!)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 22:43:17 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Your friendly neighbourhood gif supplier here. Needless to say, I have a HUGE
list of people who want the gifs. Perusing some of the requests, I see that 
many people are requesting only one of the gifs. Since I do not have the time
to determine exactly who wants what, I will be sending BOTH gifs to EVERYONE.
If this is inconvienent, too bad, it makes my life a lot easier. 

I'm sounding a little snippy, aren't I? Sorry. But life is hard right now.

Anyway, for those of you who don't know how the gifs will be sent, the format
is as follows:

	the pics are in gif format (no kidding)
	the files are uuencoded

This means to get the pics you have to:

	1. Save the file sent as <something>
	2. uudecode <something>
	3. view the pics!

If you don't have uudecode, you'd better find someone who does!

If it turns out that I need to split the file, I will attempt to do it in a
way which makes uudecoding easy (unlike some people...)

Mailings begin Saturday afternoon!

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Thank you for your attention.
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: 3 in 1 Opinionated Comments (1st season episodes)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:19:52 GMT

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.163019.25234@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

[most deleted; there's not much left here]

>>>THE NAKED NOW
>>>-------------

>>>First, the plot larceny. I assume Mr. Bingham never copied an assignment
>>>in school because if he'd had, anyone with one eye could have caught him.
>>
>>Ahem.
>>
>>Don't lobby accusations without good data.

[some deleted]

>Retracted.

Thank you.

>>>They not only stole the basic premise, but major plot elements too.
>>
>>Heavens--so did "Young Frankenstein"--even had the same set as the original
>>film.  The *gall* of Mel Brooks to make such an homage!

>It all depends on whether it works as a farce. 

Yep; which means you should be talking about whether it did so, and leaving
this red-herring "ripoff" stuff at home.

>>>  Premise:    F  (stealing not just the premise but half the damned script!)
>>
>>By its own author.  No worse than most sequels.

>Uh... what? Which sequels did you have in mind, Tim? I've seen a few good
>sequels and plenty of bad ones, but none that hung so tight to the original.

Hmm.  I'll have to think about it, but I'm sure there are some.  (Beverly
Hills Cop 2 comes to mind..."only the names and dates have been changed"...)
It's also little different from having an author adapt his/her own work for
a different genre, I think.

Tim Lynch
From: tbrown@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (Thomas Brown [901015])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Sound effect CDs available?
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:33:37 GMT
Organization: CSEE Dept. Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

I'm looking for information on obtaining Star Trek sound effects CDs such
as those often found at conventions.  I would like both old sounds as well
as STTNG sounds if available.

Please respond to an E-mail address below.

Regards,
-Tom
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:19:49 GMT

rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:
:)In article <1992Apr14.174001.4929@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
:)>rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:
:)>:)In article <1992Apr10.213504.17493@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
:)>:)>And let's count the pips on the uniforms of characters appearing in the 
:)>:)>credits:
:)>:)>Picard     4
:)>:)>Riker      3
:)>:)>Crusher    3
:)>:)>Troi       2 (Well, would be if she wore a real uniform.)
:)>:)            ^  I hate to bust you up on this one but in the episode where T
:)>:)>Data       2  takes command she has an honorary rank of Lt. Commander, tha
:)>:)>LaForge    2  3 pips making your total 19.
:)>:)>Worf       2                                       -Bob
:)>:)>------------
:)>:)>Total     18
:)>
:)>A) Lesse... Lt. Commander Data, 2 pips. I guess you're trying to say
:)>Troi is a sorta different Lt. Commander, then?
:)>
:)>B) If this were the case, considering how long this has been up, don't you 
:)>think Tim, Atushi, Michael, Vidiot, Matt, and anyone else would have already
:)>jumped on it?  :)
:)>
:)C) Lt. Commander Data, has 3 pips.  Two filled pips and one open pip.  
:)   Leutenants have 2 pips, 1 filled and 1 open for Jr. grade and 2 filled for 
:)   Sr. Grade.

Well, Data doesn't have 3 pips, otherwise one of our recent episodes couldn't
have done very well. As far as whether you round 2.5 up or down, or consider
it 2.5, is a matter of opinion, IMHO. If I really need to specify filled
or empty pips so people stop arguing for the sake of arguing, fine. I
specify filled pips, and then I'm right, and you're wrong, so NYAH!  :)

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Stupid Question re #6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:20:48 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
:)Chekov said "The universal translator would be recognized."  The book claims
:)that the traitor erased the Klingon language from the computers, but this
:)isn't official.

Wouldn't that sort of contradict the purpose of the universalality of
the universal translator? (Did I just make up this word?) I mean, isn't
it created so that it can transalte languages that are unknown?

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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Mystery of Guinan revealed!!!!!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:39:50 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA

crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>> 00ajpayne@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>>I just figured it out......
>>Guinan can sense all the little time problems right?
>>It is because she is a Time Lord.
>Yes, a Time Lord can change gender during regeneration, but why
>would one want to.  ...

More thoughts on Guinan...

1. Notice how her choice of headwear resembles the space creature of
   "Encounter at Far Point"!  Q believes she has power, and she mutters
   something about the Borg scattering her people.  Perhaps she, and
   Ten Forward are merely the space beasty coming in for a stay.
   (remember that a bald-headed man saved her once...)

2. Back to that statement about the Borg scattering her people.  There is
   some implication that she and her people are long lived and patient.
   She `listens' to problems and is interested in solving problems.
   Could she be an Organian?  Is this how we explain why Organians don't
   help the Federation anymore?


Mark Runyan

Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:3387 alt.religion.kibology:1668
From: kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: STAR TREK MUSIC
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:10:39 GMT
Organization: A room filled with typography (in Boston's Back Bay)

[rec.arts.startrek.misc]

In article <9204150505.AA01810@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>
>	 PERIODIC LIST OF STAR TREK MUSIC (last updated 4/3/92)
>[...]
>     Then this bold Mamalouk drew his trusty skibouk 
>          With a cry of "Allah Akbar".       ^^^^^^^
>     And with murderous intent he ferociously went 
>          For Ivan Skavinsky Skivar. 

Note:
A skibouk is a sword that can cut an entire CMU dormitory in half while
talking about typography.
							-- K.
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: enterprise shuttle na
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:06:03 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

  >> The following post is from Berbie Wong;

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?  I'm BERNIE Wong!  B-E-R-*N*-I-E Wong!!!!!
ARGHH!!!

  >> --- Begin Post ---
  >> YEAR    EVENT
  >> 1616    (Great Birtain) HMS ENTERPRISE sent to find an alternate navel
  >>         route to the Orient, destroyed near India by a hurricane.
  >> 1760    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 12 gun sloop, captured on Lake
  >>         Champlain  by United patroits in 1775, captained by General
  >>         Benedict Arnold in the Revolutionary War.  Self-destructed in
  >>         1777 to prevent capture by British Royal Navy
  >> 1780    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 8 gun schooner, protected the
  >>         Chesapeake Bay against the British Royal Navy
  >> 1812    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 18 gun schooner, used in the War
  >>         of 1812, destroyed near the end of the war
  >> 1936    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, LEXINGTON-Class military
  >>         aircraft carrier, built 1938, commissioned 1941, fought several
  >>         battles during World War II.  Dismantled 1946. Designation: CV-6
  >> --- End Post ---
  >>
  >> Additionally there is CVN-65 USS Enterprise, Enterprise class nuclear
  >> aircraft carrier.

About the CVN-65, the person who asked me for that list said PRIOR to
World War II.  I would have included the CVN-65 but that was after WWII.
BTW, the CVN-65 played a prominent role (well, maybe partly prominent)
in the movie The Hunt For Red October.  Just thought I'd let you know.

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Yet Another Discussion Of Trek's Peripheral Material
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:39:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.84018
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Apr12.231707.1777@gagme.chi.il.us> jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us (Jason Lindquist) writes:
>>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J. Gorcey) writes:
>>>     Since Richard Arnold's dismissal, however, Trek authors he had
>>>     alienated are flocking back to the franchise and Duane is
>>>     currently working on a TNG hardcover concerning the TOS Mirror
>>>     Universe.
>
>1) I feel like an idiot for not reading the net and missing Richard Arnold's
>dismissal.  Never do that again...

Well Richard Arnold was at Creation's Boston convention this past
weekend, and he seemed to be still a part of TNG. Doesn't look like
his rumored dismissal is true.

He did mention that Paramount is not thinking of doing a Sulu movie
for STVII, especially since that the movie series will have continuity
problems with the history that the TNG has established.  This seemed
more like his opinion than a statement of fact.  If Paramount could make
a bundle of $$$ from a Sulu movie, they would have no qualms about
breaking continuity (as they did in STVI).




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From: TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: re: Kirk & Kobayashi Maru
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:23:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


>In <1992Apr16.195303.9848@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu writes:

>(some commentary deleted)
>
>>>Given a truly unbeatable enemy Kirk would
>>>back down as quickly as any man.  You didn't see him trying to
>>>attack V'ger did you?
>>
>>I saw him prepared to blow up his own ship in an attempt to save all and
>>go down the posthumous saviour of Earth.  Doesn't look like he thought V'ger
>>was unbeatable to me, Kyle.
>>
>>Tim Lynch

>       I think Mr. Lynch is reaching a bit here.  There is a vast difference
>between considering an opponent 'unbeatable' and making a last desparate
>attempt to save your planet.  Part of Kirk's JOB was to defend the Federation,
>or die trying.  Unbeatable is a relative term. "Unbeatable by the forces
>available" is not.  V'ger was unbeatable by the combat power of the Enterprise
>and Kirk knew it.  Thus, the preparation for self-destruct as a last resort.

>Jammer Jim
>aka Captain Thevinen Salar, CO USS EXCALIBUR

I think you are missing the *point*.  By definition, 'unbeatable' means
cannot be beaten.  Kyle is claiming that V'ger was 'unbeatable'.  Tim took
issue with this because obviously Kirk felt he could beat V'ger by destroying
it.  The fact that the Enterprise could stop V'ger only through its own
destruction is not the issue.

If anyone is reaching, it's Kyle.  He said that V'ger was truly unbeatable
and that Kirk wasn't foolish enough to attack it.  Yet as we've shown here,
Kirk was indeed planning to attack V'ger.  Tim was merely pointing out that
the 'evidence' Kyle was citing did not support his own claim.
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From: grnberg@mtl.mit.edu (David R. Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Troi nude gif (where?!?)
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.103725.5103@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> micah shane johnson <msjohnso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>One of my friends had a copy of Blind Date, and I couldn't find the
>topless scene?  Is this the right movie? The one with Basinger and
>Willis?  Where exactly in the movie is it?  Beginning, middle, end After
>what?  Before what?
>
>I just gotta know,
>
>Sabot
>

This is the wrong "Blind Date."  There are two movies with that same
title.

- David
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Will the old generation ever meet TNG?
From: white@hawk.uucp (Kevin S. White)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

In article <2048@sjfc.UUCP> av5410@sjfc.UUCP (Alex Villamil) writes:
>Or has that already happened? If not, does anybody think it will
>ever happen? They've already had McCoy and Spock on, but what about 
>Kirk and the others? Why don't both ships mingle for a while in some
>quadrant? 
>

    I doubt it will happen, but maybe if we make enough noise it will.  Here's
my contribution:

    Wesley's intestines could have their "DNA rewritten" in order to make them
more durable.  They could then be removed from his body by Worf (who gleefully
fingers his entrails.  a gleeful Klingon.  hmmm.).  The strands could then be
stretched from one starbase to another, and the Enterprise-D could then be
tossed back in time via the "sling-shot" approach.  One final detail:  Dr.
Pulaski (boo, hiss) could be brought back to ensure that Wes' neural system
is left intact for the gut-stringing.  Talk about gas pains!  I'll leave it
to the "social worker" class of writers to debate the moral, ethical, and
medical challenges of restoring Wesley's twisted bowels to his abdominal cavity.

Kevin "I wanna finger Wesley's entrails" White 
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From: rjg@sialis.com (Robert J. Granvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Re: Waterworlds
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: sialis.957
Organization: Dr. Ho Laboratory and Daycare Center

In article <4650409@hpindda.cup.hp.com> mears@hpindda.cup.hp.com (David Mears) writes:
|> lord@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Jason Cooper) /  7:09 pm  Apr  4, 1992 /
|> 
|> So why don't you explode to the sides?  I can't see any air pressure
|> there.  On top, yes, but if your body is designed with internal pressure
|> to the top, it has to be designed with the same to the sides (for lying
|> down), and therefore when you stand up (or lie down) you should explode
|> in all directions except up and down, n'est-pas?
|
|So why does a baloon expand in all directions when you blow air into it?
|Same reason!  Fluids, being, well, fluid, exert pressure in all directions
|equally.  Think about a baloon sitting on a table.  If you push down on
|the top of it (as the column of air is pushing down on the air beneath
|the column), then the baloon expands out to the side, exerting a sideways
|pressure (just as the air at the bottom of the column pushes out from the
|pressure of the air pushing down on it).  Make sense?

The balloon description is perfect for showing pressure equally
distributes.  But a balloon is structured by an internal counter-
pressure.

One thing to keep in mind is that the human body (like so many
other things) does not have any internal pressure of its own (sans
obvious systems like the arterial system).  If it were, people would
likely have real problems with the basic concept of surgery or even
innoculations.  Anything that broke the skin might send you spinning
through the room going "plffffthhhhh!"  :-)

The human body is simply a framework and structure that is capable of 
_withstanding_ the pressures and forces which surround it and permeate
it.  Very few things in nature internally counter-act the forces the 
live in.  They primarily evolve being able to withstand it.

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