From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Abortion and Religion II: OT attitudes
Keywords: abortion, infanticide
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:39:41 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>In my very first post on this subject, in which I was refuting a trumped-up
>charge agains Suzanne Forgach, I suggested an intermediate reading, "Thou
>shalt not commit unjustifiable homicide." [To include, for example,
>negligent manslaughter]. 

Of course, the original Hebrew says, "Do Not Commit Murder".

>It's been like pulling teeth
>to get anyone else in talk.abortion or talk.religion.misc to address 
>this issue.  

They're probably wondering why you're attempting to rewrite the bible.

>	Yahweh spoke to Moses and said:
>	"Say this to the sons of Israel:
>	`...If the killer has maliciously manhandled his victim, or thrown
>     some lethal missile to strike him down, or out of enmity dealt the 
>     deathblow with his fist, then he who struck the blow must die; he
>     is a murderer.'    Numbers 35:9-10, 20-22

>Despite the use of "murderer" this seems to be a more broad definition
>of "murder" than is in general use today.  For example, in the movie
>"In the Heat of the Night," Sidney Poitier deduces who committed the
>"murder" which was the centerpiece of the plot, and it turns out that
>the culprit "dealt the deathblow" without actually intending to kill
>the victim, but just to knock him unconscious, the better to rob him.
>[In the taped confession, he closes with the words, "I did not mean
>to kill him."]  I got the distinct impression that he was not about 
>to be charged with murder, but only with manslaughter, yet his deed
>arguably falls within the use of "murderer" above.

I don't think so.  The verse seems obviously (at least to me) to be speaking
of malicious intent - The murderer wants to murder.  Why would any "god" want
an accidental death to be treated the same as premeditated murder?

>[Interesting talk.abortion sidelight: the motive for the robbery was to
>get enough money for an illegal abortion; the killer had gotten a young
>woman pregnant and an old Black woman was all set to do the abortion.]

Yeah, just imagine: if abortion had been legal, none of the pain, death and
misery would've been necessary.

Thanks for bringing that up, Prof.

>I mentioned this passage of Numbers in my first reply to Steve, with
>the words, "Now we are getting somewhere."  Apparently, I said, the
>Biblical meaning of murder does NOT coincide with the present-day one.
>
>Steve deleted all hint of this in his reply, to which I am following
>up below as though to a post still on the boards.  If he does not feel
>up to dealing with this issue, perhaps some other reader can help take
>it further.

You are such a fuckhead.  Mr. Adams, I suspect, can run rings around you
biblically.  It sure looks like it so far.        

And BTW, only pedantic bores like yourself include every line of every posting
when you reply to a post.  If you can prove Steve deleted "maliciously", in
a concious effort to obscure your obscure point, then you may have a point.

[300 lines of stupid biblical interpretation by the Math Whiz mercifully
deleted...]


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