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From: Robert_Salesas@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Salesas)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: When DR scams, it's ok?  Was Re: Win3.1/DR DOS 6.0/SuperS...
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:13:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11320
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> David E. Watson writes:
> 
> 
> I found out that the version of SuperStor that comes with DR-DOS was crippled
> to only work with DR-DOS.  The SuperStor driver will not recongnize another
> operating system.  This was confirmed by tech support at AddStor (the
> people who make SuperStor).  Now I had recently upgraded my version of
> SuperStor to v.2.0 through AddStor.  According to AddStor, this
> version will recongnize MS-DOS.
> 
> 
> --David
> --
> 
> ***********************************(+)**************************************
>  David Watson      Internet: dew@Turing.acs.Virginia.EDU      (804)295-6736
>  Pony Express: 2111 Michie Drive #77, Charlottesville, Virginia  22901-2872
> ***********************************(-)**************************************
> 


Interesting.  I hope MS bashers take note.  While all the claims that MS
"cheats" by placing code to check for OS/2 or DR-DOS, have been unfounded, DR
plainly admits that it limits components of it's DOS to only work with itself.
How many people are going to condem DR for doing that?  How many would if it
was MS who did that?

Rob

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From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: where to find visual basic runtime?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   I have FTP'd a file from simtel that lets you print envelopes from
windows.  In the documentation, it says that the Visual Basic runtime
library (VBRUN100.DLL) is needed, but not included with the archive.
Is there a way that I can get a copy of the file without having to buy
the visual basic programs?  Is it copyrighted, or can someone email me
a copy?  Thanks.

                                            Pete
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: Re: HELP- 3.1 setup barfs on standard mode...
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:06:27 GMT

After spending 45 minutes with Microsoft support, it turns
out the problem was "solved" my turning off the 486 BIOS
caching options.

Win 3.1 then upgraded w/o a problem.

Since I can tell the difference in performance, once windows
was loaded, I reset the caching on and Windows seems to run
fine in 386-enhanced (but barfs in standard mode).
From: bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Why go to 3.1 if 2.0 works
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:22:37 GMT
Organization: Lule} H|gskolas datorf|rening ( Ludd )

In <1992Apr13.175058.16937@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:

>In article <moore.703184477@pv34c1.vincent.iastate.edu> moore@iastate.edu (Brian J Moore) writes:
>>>Which apps? OS/2 does run all existing apps.
>>
>>How many are 32-bit?

>Ask that again in six months.  Or three months.  The answer should be large 
>enough to satisfy you.  It doesn't really matter.  Even if you only run 16-bit
>programs (even just DOS and Windows programs) than OS/2 still has numerous
>advantages including increased stability, greater convenience and ease of use,
>etc. to make it extremely worthwhile.

Jumping into the hotpot here. Why haven't anyone asked the obvious question?
How many apps are win3.1 apps? I've seen a few "utils" on cica, but nothing
real so far.

>John W. Linville
   _
/Bjorn.
From: craigg@hpwrce.HP.COM (Craig Gilmore)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:57:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Resource Kit - is this useful?
Organization: MTView Escalation Central
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms

No, in my humble opinion, the Resource Kit is not worth the price.

Unless, you are running windows in an office environment and need to manage
a particular application. 

If you are a general user of Windows, you probably will not see much benefit
from the Resource Kit.  It has about 8 different applications, and a thick
manual of quasi-internals information about how Windows works.  

Yes, unknowingly, I spent the $20+shipping.  The Docs are nice but the 
programs are not usable for me on my simple home system.  I expect I might
use the Docs as part of my personal design projects, or just for general 
knowledge.

The Windows Order Line told me that it was quite useful if I really wanted 
to get down into the guts of Windows.  He was right.

Just my $.02...

|Craig Gilmore                  ===============================================
|Hewlett-Packard Response Center   |  "I know GOD is a man, 'cause the first  |
|craigg@hpwrce.HP.COM - Preferred  |  thing created was DIRT.  A woman would  |
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|These are MY opinions, HP only pays me to answer questions and solve problems|
===============================================================================
From: hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 4983)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Great New Win progs at cica
Date: 2 Apr 92 23:36:19 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <kt6fulINNd9i@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (The Cleaner) writes:


>  Just thought everyone should know:
>  I spotted two new programs in the cica uploads directory.
>  wuna*.zip - Windows multitasking unzip and unarj.  Does NOT use
>              pkzip or unarj.

I much prefer wizunzip based on the free unzip code. It is much simpler than 
wuna, and probably doesn't do as many things, but it is oh so much easier 
to use.

>  voc2wav - Converts SB .voc files to windows .wav

Wonderful.

--
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Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, AUSTRALIA, 3168.
phone: 03 565 4983  fax: 03 565 4944 or 3409 intnl: +61 3 565 ....
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: jkvanm00@nx29.mik.uky.edu (jonathan van meter)
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster and DSP v1.05
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:46:23 GMT
X-Bytes: 

> I have a Sound Blaster v1.5 with a v1.05 DSP chip, and it works fine
> with the SB 1.0 drivers that came with Win3.1. The SB 1.5 drivers
> refuse to install with a message complaining that I should upgrade my
> DSP chip. I don't think I will, because all the features seem to work OK
> with the 1.0 drivers.
> 
> --Mika

	I have the same problem too.  I wonder why the driver is named 1.5 when  
it doesn't work with the SB 1.5.  Is the 1.5 driver allow enhanced features?   
Is there any upgrade policy?

Jonathan
Xref: sparky comp.windows.ms:12067 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:7368
From: robin@gradient.gradient.com (Dr R.P. Alston)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: project managers for win3.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:01:04 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Gradient Technologies Inc., Hudson MA

Anybody have any recommendations for project management software that
runs on windows 3.? on a PC? I have something called Project OUTLOOK
and quite frankly its limited. I've heard about Microsoft Project, Time
Line 1.0 and CA-Super Project but know nothing other than what I see
in their ads ( I have got a demo of the CA product but quite frankly
without some worthwhile docs thats not too useful). Things I would
like are the ability to layout an outline and associate an arbritrary
piece of text with milestones/activities that could be a number of
pages and also some pretty good resource allocation/manipulation
(people/things down to hours). I would love to be able to play with
some kind of a CASE tool and then import stuff into the project system
and off course I want to pay 5c :-). Any recommendations/experiences?
Please e-mail since we are not a full feed newssite. Thanks in
advance.



robin
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Gradient Technologies Inc.,
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Bugs 3.1 aka win3.1
From: rocker@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:12:16 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

	Is anyone else finding 3.1 to be VERY buggy?  So far, after 6 hours
I've already had the following:

		Program Manager chashed and I wasn't doing anything with 
			it at the time.  This left me with no other way to exit
			windows then rebooting.

		Mouse disappeared, don't know when or where, just gone.

		Cann't find WINDEBUG.DLL?  Where is this?  FTPable? Borland?

		The shareware program RUNIT runs but does n't start other
			programs.  I know I can use Browse from File|Run, but
			like keeping RUNIT as an icon.

		Icon title wrap of a minized long title douple spaces.

	I know Five is not an unreasonalbe number, but some are major(1), 
		anoying(2), trivial but should be simple to fix(5), but after
		hearing so much good stuff, and sooo many bata testers, I
		expected some better than this.

Any ansswers to any of these problems would be appreaciacted.

rock hard
From: wct1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (William C Tom)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Fastdisk or 32 bit access in Win 3.1
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:22:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburghusa



Since 32-bit access mode bypasses DOS to enable fast access to the hard drive,
it is nor available for use on compressed drives (eg, with Stacker).
Prior to the advent of 32-bit access, Stac'ed drives were just as fast
(give or take a few percent) as uncompressed drives.  However, how does
a Stac'ed drive compared to a 32-bit accessed uncompressed drive?  The
speed difference certainly is noticeable, but are we looking at 30%,
50%, or 100% ?  Does anyone know?
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: jfsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gerald F Smith)
Subject: Sound Blaster Pro Driver
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:55:48 GMT

 
	I talked to the Creative Labs, Inc technical assistance line today, about the windows message concerning the Sound Driver for the Sound Blaster Pro card. They were nice and told me to call their bulletin board, the number is (408)
428-6660. Download the driver and you'll be ready to go. 


				
					Jerry Smith
				  Sr Network Coordinator  
			       Academic Computing Service     
			       The Ohio State University
From: ehunt@bsc835bsc.edu (Eric Hunt)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: FAST! WIN 3.1 Terminal Program!
Summary: free memory and swapfiles
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:33:00 GMT
Organization: Lost in Space

In article <1992Apr8.011535.5681@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, btsg6965@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Briand T Sanderson) writes:
> report 7000 KBytes free when my SWAPFILE is 8192? ALSO the
[...] 
> Still wondering why my free memory only reports 7000 ...

The SETUP program informed me that Win 3.1 would only use 12megs of the 15meg
perm swapfile I had left over from Win 3.0, even if I reallocated 15megs
of space for it under 3.1, so I reduced the size down to 12megs, like it
said. Haven't tried to bump the size back up to 15 and see what happens, 
however.
-- 
Eric Hunt
Birmingham-Southern College, Birmingham, AL
bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net (preferred)
eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com
From: press@venice.sedd.trw.com (Barry Press)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: re: SmartDrive 4.0, FastDisk AND Stacker ??
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: press@venice.sedd.trw.com
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering and Development Division

In article <1992Apr10.202530.7960@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> rtc@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Custer) writes:
>can SmartDrive and FastDisk be used on the Stacker volume ?  

Works for me.  Smartdrive has to be run on the physical volume (not the 
stacked one, the real hardware.  Normally, this would be D:, with C:
-- after boot -- being the insides of the hidden file).

The other critical thing is that you should (must?) setup a permanent
swap file, also on the physical drive and not in the stacked area.

_____
Barry Press                                           press@venice.sedd.trw.com
From: palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Why I'm sticking with Windows
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:26:01 GMT

pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.142857.27595@alw.nih.gov> donnel@helix.nih.gov (Donald A. Lehn) writes:
>>Another perspective on why to stick to Windows.  I have 5 IBM Model 80
>>PS/2's with 2 mb ram and 80 mb hard drives.  These machines are perfectly
>>adequate Windows platforms.  To upgrade to OS/2 2.0 for these machines
>>would require 4 mb ram ($600.00) and at least another 80 mb hard disk
>>($800.00). 

>Good reasons.... but I just can't see how you are surviving Windows
>with only 2 mb.  I couldn't get a DOS and a Windows program going with
>reasonable speed without upgrading from 2 to 3 mb.  The disk activity
>really slowed things down.  And.. Win3.1 has not speeded (sped?)
>things up noticably either.  By the way, if you ever do try OS/2 and
>use the HPFS file system, I'm told you should have 6 mb or more.

>($600 for an additional 2mb ram??)

>-- 
>Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu
>Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

Gotta go along with you on this one, Pierre (the cost of the RAM).  The
last I looked, 1x9 Mbyte SIMMS were under $50.  So, for five machines,
5 x 2 (to get each up to 4 Mb) x $50 = $500.  Assuming IBM PS/2 RAM costs
more (doesn't everything?) the $600 looks like enough to upgrade ALL the
machines.  However, $800 seems a little shy to get 5 80Mb hard disks.
Are they really only $160 each?  And I HOPE you weren't considering paying
$800 for a SINGLE 80Mb hard disk.

I do agree with Donald in principle.  Windows does what I want on my
machine (386/33, 200Mb IDE), and since I have to administrate this one
at work, a twin of it at home, and my old 386/20 I sold to my mother-in-
law, I am in no mood to tackle OS/2 right now.  Hey, I know that 3 machines
is a cake walk for a good sysop, but I'm a research enineer, okay?  Any
time I have to spend on these machines is a drain from my real work (or
from my "home-time").
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: rich@island.COM (Rich Fanning)
Subject: install 3.1 and keep 3.0
Summary: you can keep both
Keywords: win 3.1 3.0 install
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:43:47 GMT

When I installed Win 3.1 I wanted to keep 3.0 around, in case I had any
major problems.  I had read a few suggestions, but none appealed to me:

1) Rename your WINDOWS directory WIN30 and do the installation.  Drawback:
   none of your program groups get transferred.

2) Back up the WINDOWS directory, install 3.1.  If any problems, just do
   a restore.  Drawback:  can't switch easily between them, also installation
   modifies CONFIG.SYS, etc.

Here's my solution, and it seems to work fine.  Drawback: you need enough
disk space (as in solution 1 above).

Before installing 3.1, copy your WINDOWS directory to WIN30.  I used the
MKS Toolkit command "cp -r WINDOWS WIN30" but copy can work.  Just remember
to copy everything (subdirectories).

Now, install 3.1.  It will "transform" the WINDOWS directory into 3.1.

When you want to use Win 3.0, rename the WINDOWS directory WIN31 and rename
WIN30 WINDOWS.  I got a little lucky because my CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
files are compatible with both.

One caveat:  since your apps may be run from either 3.0 or 3.1, they may
require different configurations, and you'll have to switch these manually.
I haven't had any trouble yet, though.

-- 

     Rich Fanning       {sun,uunet}!island!rich
			    rich@island.COM
From: mh@cs.cs.appstate.edu (Mark Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: lost mouse in DOS session
Keywords: mouse, 3.1
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:57:31 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

I can't get a mouse in a full-screen DOS session under Windows 3.1.
(I could in 3.0) I have followed the thread in this news group and
have tried several suggestions:

I added
  [NonWindowsApp]
  MouseInDosBox=1
to SYSTEM.INI.

I updated my mouse driver (Z-nix) from the manufacturer.

I updated my video driver.

When I'm in a DOS session and click the mouse, I switch to another
Windows session.  (This is in enhanced mode.)  So it seems that
Windows never relinquishes the mouse to the DOS session.

One oddity - I tried the latest MS mouse driver and I did get the
mouse cursor in DOS, but when I returned to Windows the mouse was
dead.

Any other suggestions?

--
Mark Harris   mh@cs.appstate.edu
Dept. of Mathematical Sciences
Appalachian State University
Boone, NC 28608      (704) 264-6906
From: ccastd2@prism.gatech.EDU (Dale Phurrough)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: WinQvt 4.77 & Win 3.1
Summary: Does anyone have strange problems?
Keywords: WinQVT 4.77 3.1
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:00:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

When running WinQVT 4.77 with Windows 3.1, it first asks me if I want
to drop the existing connection (there is none).  Then when I dial
WinQVT cycles the DTR line up and down 3 or 4 times before even initializing
the modem.  Sounds like small compatiability problems.  Other than that, it
seems to be working fine.  I'm typing with it now.  If only it supported
38400 bps since Windows 3.1 officially supports it now...

--Dale Phurrough

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From: bruce@ais.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: 3.1 & TrueType problem
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:23:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ais.1306
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <1992Apr8.193712.2652@vax1.umkc.edu>, ebath@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> Also, as far as uncrashable Windows...  Under 3.0, I had three UAE's in 
> the past 6 months, but was able to crash 3.1 three time last night.  My
> method was to use one of the TT fonts at cica.  It was missing the letter
> J, and everytime I pressed J "Windows is unstable..."  I would think that
> such a problem would be easy to fix, but it is there for now.

The problem is probably a corrupted font file.  I got all of the TT fonts
that cica had at one time (I suppose that the one you got could be new &
have a different problem), and this problem *doesn't* happen if the font
file isn't corrupted.  (It's possible it's been corrupted at cica or in
the process of downloading to your PC).  But a couple of times when a TT
font file has gotten corrupted during a file transfer, I've observed the
type of problem you've observed.

I took this up with Microsoft, their response was basically that since a
TT font is really a sort of program, they didn't feel that there was much
they could do - if there were "bugs" in the font that corrupted the GDI
engine, then that can crash Windows 3.1.  My understanding is that this is
basically a performance tradeoff - they feel it would take too much CPU
time to check for attempts to corrupt the GDI continually every time a
glyph is rasterized, & apparently feel it isn't important enough to set up
the segments and protections so that the font can't corrupt GDI (say by
starting up an internal "virtual task" of some type).

It's true that font crashes will probably be a lot less frequent than
program crashes (for one thing there are a lot fewer people designing
fonts, and most of them are doing it commercially or using the font
conversion programs so there's somewhat less chance of generating badly
formed fonts than the often buggy public domain/shareware programs that
you see).  I'm not entirely happy with it though - I hope that they have
some kind of mechanism in future versions so that the font can't corrupt
the GDI (like throwing it into another segment or another ring so that
it can't corrupt GDI in principle & so they don't have to execute the font
interpretively to check for corruption).

BTW the problem has nothing to do with a missing "J" or any other character -
True Type is perfectly happy to omit characters.  The problem is probably in
the rasterizing of the "J" character that's corrupting GDI -

Bruce C. Wright
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger)
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster and Windows 3.1
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, ATE division, San Jose, Ca.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:00:00 GMT

ST802200@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Rob Ryan) writes:
: My apologies if this has been pointed out before, but apparently Windows 3.1
: requires v2.0 of SoundBlaster's DSP chip.  You can find out what version
: you have by running the program TEST-SBC included on your SoundBlaster
: disks.
: 
: If you want a upgrade, you can call Creative Labs Sales at 1-408-428-6600.
: It costs $30 (plus $5 shipping).  Apparently the old chip waited for the
: buffer to fill before sending output whereas the new chip sends data as it
: gets it.  The result is that older chips produce delays when you implement
: the .WAV sounds for system events in Win 3.1.
: 

Well, the readme.wri in Windows 3.1 doesn't say it is required, just that you
MAY want to upgrade to improve audio performance.

Russ Poffenberger               DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com
Schlumberger Technologies       UUCP:   {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: Does 387 speed up Win 3.1?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:40:55 GMT

In article <thomasg.497@epx.hscs.umn.edu> thomasg@epx.hscs.umn.edu (Thomas 
Gasser) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.131332.25550@b11.ingr.com> bbrown@b11.ingr.com 
(Bailey Brown) writes:
> 
> >I read somewhere that a 387 coprocessor speeds up windows 3.1.
> >Not just applications like Excel, but windows itself.  
> >Is this true?   Why would Windows be using floating point
> >anyway?
>
> It simple.  It can't.  The 387 will only help programs that have been 
> written to take advantage of it, like Excel and autocad.

I'm willing to bet that much of Windows is written in Microsoft C.  The 
default MSC run-time libraries include an 80X87 emulator which will use an 
80X87 if one is present, or will do the calculations itself in software if 
one is not.  If _any_ program that uses that library performs any floating 
point calculations, then having an 80X87 will speed it up (i.e., the 
program does _not_ have to be "written to take advantage of" the 80X87).  
However, for purposes of speed on machines that _don't_ have an 80X87, I'd 
also bet that MS went to great lengths to avoid floating point operations, 
instead doing fixed point calculations using integer math.  If I'm right, 
then having an 80X87 wouldn't help.

What calculations might Windows _need_ floating point for, anyway?

BTW, I've reduced the newsgroup list for this message to comp.windows.ms 
only.

----------
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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
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