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From: wayne john warf <wwarf@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Involuntary Servitude/Military Service
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:05:39 -0500

In article <1992Apr13.035408.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.224730.8177@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>> "Neither slavery NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, except as a punishment for
>> crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
>> within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
>> (emphasis added)
>
>	Does this amendment preclude us from being forced into military service
>like in Vietnam?  Was this ever argued then?
>	Just wondering.
>
There were a number of cases during World War I claiming this. The Supreme
Court not only dismissed this argument, as I recall, they were rather
contemptuous of it. They ruled that compulsory military service was
not in the meaning of involuntary servitude of the 13th Amendment.
If I find the case, I can quote exactly, but, as I recall, they noted
that this Amendment was proposed by the same Congress which had enacted
a military draft, with which the Union raised forces for service in
the Civil War. They felt that the Amendment had been made possible by
a Draft law and it was not in the framers' intent to outlaw it.
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Involuntary Servitude/Military Service
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:40:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.035408.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.224730.8177@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
> > "Neither slavery NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, except as a punishment for
> > crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
> > within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
> > (emphasis added)
> 
> 	Does this amendment preclude us from being forced into military service
> like in Vietnam?  Was this ever argued then?

Yes.

Did it work?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
-- 

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 14:22:50 EDT
From: <34ITCRY@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: testing

This is a test to see if my message is received.

Stephanie Tithof
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Xref: sparky alt.individualism:2440 alt.politics.correct:3676 alt.save.the.earth:544 austin.general:1576 sci.environment:6066 sci.skeptic:8076 soc.culture.usa:2935 talk.environment:1442 talk.philosophy.misc:980 ut.general:432
From: amck@emx.utexas.edu (Alan McKendree)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,alt.politics.correct,alt.save.the.earth,austin.general,sci.environment,sci.skeptic,soc.culture.usa,talk.environment,talk.philosophy.misc,ut.general
Subject: Reminder:  Case against environmentalism lecture
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:44:52 GMT
Followup-To: ai.amck@mcc.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

Apologies to those of you outside the Austin area--I have this flagged
for Austin distribution but there are apparently some leaky gateways out
there.

What is the environmentalism movement?  What arguments must one accept
in order to accept the conclusions of environmentalism?  What scientific
basis is there for its claims?

Hear the case _against_ environmentalism.


                  Topic:  The Toxicity of Environmentalism

                  Date:  Wednesday, April 15, 7:00 p. m.

		  Place:  Batts Hall Auditorium, U.T. campus
			  (just southeast of the main tower)
		  
		  Speaker:  Dr. George Reisman
			    Professor of Economics, Pepperdine University
		  
		  Admission:  $5, general public
			      free to U.T. students and faculty

                  A question and answer period will follow.


Dr. Reisman will not only question the motives and goals of the
environmental movement, he will reveal the fundamental moral premises on
which environmentalism is based.  After showing that human life and
well-being depend on science, technology, and economic progress, and
that the quality of human life has improved immeasurably since the
beginning of the Industrial Revolution, he will demonstrate that the
ultimate goal of the environmental movement is the destruction of
industrial civilization, impoverishment, and, ultimately, depopulation.

For more information contact:
Dan Fordyce, 280-8450 or
Alan McKendree (338-3464)  ai.amck@mcc.com
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,sci.econ
From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Drug Legalization. Was: College Was: Perot
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University

peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy) writes:
>dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) writes:

>> Further, if legalized, the big pharmaceutical companies would take
>> over.  They would develop drugs, which are 90%-95% addicting 
>> on the first try.

> 1)  If a drug company were able to find a drug so addictive, they would
> either have to boldly advertise its addictive qualities or find themselves
> being sued from San Juan to Point Barrow.

Several drug companies already sell a product which is highly addictive, 
and they do not "boldly" advertise the addictive qualities of their 
product, yet lawsuits have not driven them out of business. 

They are called the tobacco companies.  

Remember, the warning labels are required by the government, and the
tobacco companies would gladly drop the labels if they could.

> [... deletions ...]
> But I do know that a known company cannot sell
> something known to be injurious without telling the purchaser.  

The tobacco companies have denied that there exists a causal link 
between smoking and cancer. They claim that the link is not causal, but 
correlational, and they have produced studies supporting their claims. 
They believe that tobacco smokers get cancer because of other factors, 
like poor eating habits and lack of exercise. They have, in the past, 
used doctors to endorse tobacco as being "healthy". They would gladly
choose to misinform consumers, if they could, rather than be forced
by the government to warn consumers about the dangers of their product.  

The tobacco companies have shown that they are more concerned about
profits than the health of the consumer. Why should the situation be
any different if other types of recreational drugs are legalized?
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: cgb@count0.uucp  (Chuck Bennett)
Subject: Re: Perot for President
Organization: BenaTong
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:22:49 GMT

> >On "60 Minutes" he stated he was in favor of gun control.

When I saw him on the Donahue show he was asked about gun control.
 His reply was (words to the effect)

I'm an old Texan, we had all had guns, the difference is we didn't shoot each  
other.

"I" took it to mean that he was not for gun control,  but I suppose that the
answer is slippery enough for each person to hear what they wanted.

I like to find out the answer myself, since I could not vote for someone
who supports gun control.   I know it's a one issue thing, but to ME it's a  
biggie.


Chuck
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Xref: sparky alt.individualism:2404 talk.politics.misc:17879
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Drug Legalization. Was: College Was: Perot
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:26:10 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>Several drug companies already sell a product which is highly addictive, 
>and they do not "boldly" advertise the addictive qualities of their 
>product, yet lawsuits have not driven them out of business. 

>They are called the tobacco companies.  

>Remember, the warning labels are required by the government, and the
>tobacco companies would gladly drop the labels if they could.

Not a chance.  Those warnings protect them very nicely from legal
action.  The government (congress in this case) is protecting the
tobacco companies from this and other disasters (such as loss of
tobacco subsidies).

That was their defense at the last widely publicized trial, as I
remember.  That those little warning labels pretty much gave them
immunity from such litigation.

And actually, I agree.  Anyone who smokes and gets one of the maladies
attested to on those little stickers has nobody to blame but
themselves. 
-- 
When your memory goes, forget it!
From: sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Philandros)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Higher living standards -- friend of the environment
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Hear for the first time the case _against_ environmentalism.
> 
>                   Topic:  The Toxicity of Environmentalism

	Yea!


>Dr. Reisman will not merely challenge the scientific claims of
>environmentalism; he will challenge its moral and philosophical base:
>the idea that nature has intrinsic value apart from and against man.

	Good.  It seems like the most radical environmentalist groups
come dangerously close to admitting that the logical conclusion of
their values is the extinction of the human race.


>Dr. Reisman will demonstrate that the inherent nature of production and
>economic activity is to improve _man's_ environment.  He will defend
>science, technology and capitalism against the reactionary "greens" who
>wish to return to the pre-industrial era--even to the stone age.

	What is the bumper sticker the Earth First! people have?
	Back to the Pleistocene?


>If you are uncomfortable with arguments that "everybody knows" the
>environment is in trouble; that living standards must inevitably decline
>if we are to "save the planet"; that we must "take charge" (beginning
>with kindergarten students) to "rescue spaceship Earth", you need to hear
>this lecture.  If you believe these arguments, you need to hear it even
>more.

	Higher living standards have been connected to less pollution.


>For more information contact:
>Dan Fordyce, 512-280-8450 or
>Alan McKendree 512-338-3464  ai.amck@mcc.com

	Could someone who goes there report the highlights?


Mark Sulkowski
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: balaji@nexus.yorku.ca (V. Balaji)
Subject: Re: Lecture: Refutation of Environmentalism
Organization: York University
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:13:08 GMT


In sci.environment you write:


>		  Place:  Batts Hall Auditorium, U.T. campus

T=? Toronto? Tallahassee? Timbuktu?

The fact that you would post this on a worldwide distribution (and in
10 newsgroups, no less) speaks volumes for the narrow-minded attitude
that undoubtedly inspires this lecture as well.
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Kevin Dooley)
Subject: Re: Lecture:  Refutation of Environmentalism
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:48:21 GMT

In article <69967@ut-emx.uucp> amck@emx.utexas.edu (Alan McKendree) writes:
>What is the environmentalism movement?  What arguments must one accept
>in order to accept the conclusions of environmentalism?  What scientific
>basis is there for its claims?
>
>Hear for the first time the case _against_ environmentalism.
>
>
>                  Topic:  The Toxicity of Environmentalism
>
>                  Date:  Wednesday, April 15, 7:00 p. m.
>
>		  Place:  Batts Hall Auditorium, U.T. campus
>			  (just southeast of the main tower)
>		  
>		  Speaker:  Dr. George Reisman
>			    Professor of Economics, Pepperdine University
>		  
>		  Admission:  $5, general public
>			      free to U.T. students and faculty
>
>                  A question and answer period will follow.
>
>
>Dr. Reisman will not merely challenge the scientific claims of
>environmentalism; he will challenge its moral and philosophical base:
>the idea that nature has intrinsic value apart from and against man.
>
>Dr. Reisman will demonstrate that the inherent nature of production and
>economic activity is to improve _man's_ environment.  He will defend
>science, technology and capitalism against the reactionary "greens" who
>wish to return to the pre-industrial era--even to the stone age.
>
>If you are uncomfortable with arguments that "everybody knows" the
>environment is in trouble; that living standards must inevitably decline
>if we are to "save the planet"; that we must "take charge" (beginning
>with kindergarten students) to "rescue spaceship Earth", you need to hear
>this lecture.  If you believe these arguments, you need to hear it even
>more.
>
>For more information contact:
>Dan Fordyce, 512-280-8450 or
>Alan McKendree 512-338-3464  ai.amck@mcc.com

4 possibilities:
 - you are a week late for April Fool's Day
 - you are a Texan
 - this is a really good example of why I never want to live in the US again
 - all of the above

But seriously, I've never heard of this great Pepperdine University.  Is
it owned by Exxon?  Finally, what does an economist know about science?
Enjoy the seminar, it sounds like a laugh riot!

Kevin Dooley            dooley@physics.utoronto.ca
Dept. of Physics
University of Toronto
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Perot for President
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 15:08:09 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr8.224730.8177@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In <DAVIDB.92Apr6104232@inmet.inmet> davidb@inmet.inmet (David Barton) writes:
>>In <1992Mar27.000545.12764@craycos.com> jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies) writes:
>
>>   OK, so you're the militia (I'm assuming that you're male and
>>   between 18 and 45 years of age, of course).  How do you reconcile
>>   this with the following from Article I, Section 8 of the original
>>   Constitution?
>
>[text deleted]
>
>>   Are you under the control of Congress?
>
>>Oh, for Pete's sake.  Of course I am, as is every other male that fits
>>that description: it's called the draft.  Individual citizen's
>
>Are not.  It's been superceded by the 13th amendment to the Constitution.
>
>"Neither slavery NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, except as a punishment for
>crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
>within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
>(emphasis added)

Has not, though I think it should.  The Supreme Court has ruled
definitively on this issue. 
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Perot for President
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:26:44 GMT

In article <10675@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu>, bill@uofs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:

|> You can not judge his performance as President of the United
|> States by his past performance as president(CEO?) of EDS.
|> The people who went to work for him at EDS were (or should
|> have been) aware of the fact that EDS was not a democracy.
|> He has made it quite clear in his interviews so far that
|> the US is a democracy and he wants to see the power put 
|> back into the hands of the people where it belongs.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  I finally made this separation
in my own mind and I would now support a Perot candidacy.  I disagree
strongly with the corporate culture and policies Perot implemented
at EDS, but it was his company and you can't argue with the success
he had there.  I think he is an intelligent man who understands the
obvious differences between running a company and running a country.
He wouldn't be where he is if he were that stupid.  To trivialize his
intelligence with comments like "You can't just fire congress like you
would your staff" just doesn't give the man enough credit.  Some things
about him still bother me, but not as much as your run-of-the-mill
politician.

-- 

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	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Drug Legalization. Was: College Was: Perot
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:53:59 GMT
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr8.214229.1801@morrow.stanford.edu> 
  GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:

> Bayer is hardly likely to risk their reputation in the
> aspirin business by getting a reputation as an outfit out to hook
> innocent consumers on powerful addictive drugs.

Sure, but RJR hasn't hesitated to hook consumers on their drug. 
Image problem? No problem!
From: 10713077@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (BILL TIKELLIS)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Hello,I love You .The doors
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:05:19 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

I,ve got the tab for Hello I love you, but the verses are fairly long,
however the Chorus is only 2 bars long,with a time signiture of 4-4.


---------5---5------------3--3---------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------3 --slide---5---3---------------------
2--2-------------0--0--------------2-----------------------4--5--4--2--0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alternatively, the rythum section is  A G A D Chords.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cmurray@esk (Christopher John Murray)
Subject: Re: Buying a GOOD guitar.. any suggestions?
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:50:28 GMT


>In article <1992Apr10.110717.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris
>Lott) writes:
>>> Oh yeah, I play blues and rock, some heavier metal and sometimes fool with
>> jazz/fusion. I really want a fast fingerboard with a low action, something to
>> compensate for my lack of finger speed (Malmsteen I ain't)
>
>Malmsteen cheats by having scallops on his fretboard...

Doesn't make him any faster though, just helps his exagerated vibrato..

     I think scalloped necks are mostly ego trips for people who can
afford to take an angle grinder (or get a prefessional to take an 
angle grinder) to the neck of thier guitar.. a set of thick high frets
does just the same job for me..

     thoughts on this anyone???
:x

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cliffw@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Les Paul
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.201642.25928@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> fkam_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Kevin McFadden) writes:
>
>	By the subject title you might think that I am continuing the
>guitar thread, but I am not.  I am in fact wondering what Les Paul
>did for the production/recording industry.  It is supposedly pretty 
>revolutionary.
>
>
>Kevin


Les Paul invented multi-track recording. He produced quite a few
nifty records with just his wife - multiple guitars and multiple
vocals - most of these were done with disk cutters.

He designed the first 8-track deck. (made by Ampex) He also 
made some recordings of famous people - the only recordings of 
W.C. Fields (other than the movies) were done in Les's studio.

He also was the first to do just about all the tape tricks -
speeded up parts,slowed down parts, tape echo, all those
doubling things were done first by Les.(i don't think
he did any backwards guitar, but i could be wrong)
-- 
cliffw

'When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro'- HST
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: FTP Tab site 
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:59:00 GMT

>I keep hearing there is, or there might be, an FTP site with tab's posted.
>What is an FTP, and how do I get in?
>		Steve


	Ok, for thoses of you who remember I am the gut setting up the anon.
ftp site. I am working on it, but I am ready to start recieving material.
Some basic rules are;

	1) Must NOT be directly copied from a magazine, or a song book.

	2) You must put your e-mail adress on it. This is son that people can
	write to you if they have questions I can't awnser(though I'll try my 
	best, I have not heard every song ever recorded!).

	3) Put the name of the song, AND the artist in the subject. The archive 	will be set up with artist names as directories, and if I don't know
	who made it, I wont know where to put it! Also, do not put more than
	one song in the same peice of mail.

	4) DO NOT start sending till Tues morning.

	Well, I think thats it for know. If I forgot to put in something you 
wanted to know, don't hesitate to mail me. By the way, I think I sent everybody
replies, who sent me mail last week. I f I didn't, please mail again.

	The site should be ready by the end of this week. I'll post the 
location then

					
From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:23:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Apr8.112522.23740@spider.co.uk> keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:
>
>How about the following chord?
>
>    E 3
>    B 3
>    G 0
>    D 2
>    A 2
>    E 0
>


This is a plain old E-7 (E minor 7) with an extra minor third on top.

Bruce



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