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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!)
Subject: Re: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:12:33 GMT

erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:

>Gee, and from the subject line I thought this was going to be
>a thread on the worst announcer in baseball.

>-----
>Eric Smith	    | "My friends, no matter how rough the road may be,
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>CI$: 70262,3610	    |		- J. Danforth Quayle
> 

i don't understand what people hate about him.  sure he's biased, but you're
supposed to be.  other than that i don't see what is so unappealing about him.
he gives a fair perspective of the game, gives credit where it's due (yes,
even to the opposing team), and knows what he's talking about.  him and
paciorek also are quite humorous, which is something that is badly needed 
during some slow-moving games.

anyway, i just would like to hear why they are hated so much.

jay
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From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ** WIFFLEBALL **
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:02:18 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In Pleasanton, CA, which is about an hour from the Stick, we had a city
tournament every year, for which Darrell Evans was the host.  But some
vandals trashed the field one year and they cancelled it.  The rules
were stupid, you had to hit a ball between 2 fences for a homer, over
the second fence was an out, and it was slo-pitch.

My friends and I played fast pitch, and got pretty good.  Normally
the score of a game was 1-0.  You can throw any pitch you want in
wiffleball, including a riser.  

In Conneticut they have a world series with a Fenway park replica.  
Saw it on ESPN (highlights, not the game - this week at the fishing
hole was on instead).

--dave
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Jerald Clark IS a STUD and the Pads win
Keywords: 1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:13:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.065535.2569@ucselx.sdsu.edu> tchan@ucselx.sdsu.edu (t c) writes:
>The Padres beated the Red 2-1 tonight at the Murph.  Jerald Clark made TWO
>spetecular plays in the outfield to help Benes beats Greg Swindell for his
>8th win of the year.  
>Jerald 's first great play was a running, leaping catch of a Bip's long drive.
>His second play of the night came when caught a fly ball and made a strong
>throw to first to double up the runner on the base.
>To all those Clark bashers out their, are you watching the same games I am 
>watching? It's time to give the guy the credit he rightfully deserved.
>BTW, Ward went 0 for 4 and struck out THREE times last Wed. against the Philies
>in case you haven't seen the Pads play for a while. Ward is hitting .174 and he
>SUCKS.

Yeah, that Lee Stevens, who *once* went 4-4 with 2 homers, must be a real
star.  That Frank Thomas, who went 0-5 once, must be a real dud.

One game does not make a player.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: japg6581@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Petterchak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: PAST WORLD SERIES WINNERS
Keywords: Go Redbirds!
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Brv46M.4ox
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rdetweil@hpbs1026.boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:

>>Here's the list of World Series participants
>>(winners denoted by '*') since 1903, the first series.
>>
>>YEAR   American				    National
>>___________________________________________________________________________
>>1934   Detroit Tigers			    St. Louis Cardinals

>What, nobody won???

I take it from your keywords prompt that you want to see this:

1934	Detroit Tigers			St. Louis Cardinals *

This, of course, is the famous "Gas-House Gang" of Dizzy and Paul Dean,
Joe Medwick, Pepper Martin, et. al.


John Petterchak
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:23:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

(Michael Timlin) writes:

[On an All-Canadian WS]
>So do they only play "Oh, Canada" before the games, or would there be some
>excuse to play both anthems?

I think that they should play "O, Canada", in respect to the nation, and
"We're In The Money" to rub CBS's face in it.


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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:58:06 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul26.032220.13801@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:

>In <1992Jul25.221458.15663@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

[Back and forth...]

>>>>        RC27 '90    RC27 '91
>>>>Puck      5.35        4.78
>>>>Salaz     3.57        3.77
>>>>Bonds     9.36        8.66
>
>>>This is the typical example of how some people abuse statistics.
>
>>No.  
>
>Yes.  

Ah, it's rational debate like this that is the lifeblood of Western
Civilization.  Erasmus is smiling in his grave.

>>>Puckett had 195 hits in '91.  This is more than Salazar's output for
>>>'90 and '91 combined. 

>>Aha! Here we have a good example of how some people abuse statistics!
>>No context whatsoever.  

>The context is how much a player has contributed to the team's quest for
>the WC.  This is quite clear if you have been reading my posts.  

He meant the context of those 195 hits, not the context of your comments.
As in, what *else* did Puckett do besides get 195 hits?  After all, Juan
Samuel had 191 hits in 1984 and was barely above average offensively.  Willie
Wilson had *230* hits in 1980, and wasn't nearly as valuable as Barry Bonds
was last year.  You need to know what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of
the story", and what Greg was calling "context".

Such as, the fact that Puckett made 436 outs and grounded into 27 double
plays, while Bonds made 387 outs and grounded into 8 double plays.  If you
*really* are interested in measuring contribution toward the team's quest
for the WC, then you need to add up both positive contributions and negative
contributions.  Hits are positive.  Outs are negative.

>I think 
>that Puckett's 195 hits were a significant contribution to that quest.  I
>don't see how Salazar's RC is relevent in that context.  

It wasn't Salazar's RC, it was Salazar's (and Bonds's and Puckett's) RC/27.
The normalized version that says something about how much positive contribution
the player is making per out consumed.  In other words, it includes more of
the relevant information, by counting positives and negatives.

>I was talking about the contribution two stars have each made to their team's
>quest for the WC.  How is the RC27 of a less than full-time player relevant to
>that contribution?  

By giving a common standard for comparison.  


-- 
        David Tate         |  "Complacencies of the fungo, and late 
  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   Infield and B.P. in a sunny field
     "Sunday Afternoon"    |   [...]         mingle to dissipate
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From: csb1.nlm.nih.gov!mcmath@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Carolina League (A) All-Star Roster
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:56:00 GMT
Organization: MSD
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

For those of you interested, here is the All-Star roster for the Carolina
League (class A ball), from the Washington Post of July 22:

Affiliations:

Frederick      = Orioles              Peninsula     = Mariners
Lynchburg      = Red Sox              Durham        = Braves
Prince William = Yankees              Winston-Salem = Cubs
Salem          = Pirates              Kinston       = Indians

Northern Division                            Southern Division
c  Greg Zaun          Frederick        c  Miah Bradbury    Peninsula
c  Walt McKeel        Lynchburg        c  Brad Rippelmeyer Durham
1b Jason Friedman     Lynchburg        1b Bubba Smith      Peninsula
2b Kevin Jordan       Prince William   2b Ruben Santana    Peninsula
ss Ramon Martinez     Salem            ss Desi Relaford    Peninsula
3b Luis Ortis         Lynchburg        3b Tim Gillis       Durham
if John Malzone       Lynchburg        if Hector Roa       Durham
if Doug McConathy     Frederick        if Jose Vierra      Winston-Salem
of Keith Thomas       Salem            of Manny Ramirez    Kinston
of Midre Cummings     Salem            of Paul Torres      Winston-Salem
of Jim Wawruck        Fredrick         of Darren Bragg     Peninsula
of Paul Rappoli       Lynchburg        of Lee Heath        Durham
dh Boo Moore          Lynchburg        dh Andy Hartung     Winston-Salem

p Bruch Prybylinski   Prince William   p John Cummings  Peninsula
p Aaron Sele          Lynchburg        p Chad Ogea      Kinston
p Terry Farrar        Frederick        p Greg McCarthy  Kinston
p Frank Rodriguez     Lynchburg        p Greg Bicknell  Peninsula
p Corey Bailey        Lynchburg        p Darren Ritter  Durham
p Rafael Quirico      Prince William   p Doug Fitzer    Peninsula
p Joe Caruso          Lynchburg        p Aaron Taylor   Winston-Salem
p Rich Polak          Prince William   p David Williams Durham


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From: jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Metrodome roof/et.al. was Re: Aturf
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:48:59 GMT


  Blue Meanie?  What is the story on this name?  Why did the Metrodome
people use plastic bags for that wall?
>
>2) This sounds silly coming from a team that plays in "The Launching Pad".
>
>3) Lonnie Smith needs no help from the MetroDome roof when it comes to
>   losing fly balls. He's been doing it for years. I do think the problem
>   with third base coaches is something new. B{)
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:21:30 GMT

In article <BrwI81.4vC@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>Sherri, let me ask you one question.  Assume a .250 7 HR 24 RBI guy demands
>to play instead of a .300 15 HR 50 RBI even if it means losing more games, 
>is he a team player?  (Assume defensive abilities are equal) 

I don't know.  But further, I don't really care, because I don't really
care to chacterize players as "team players" or "not team players".

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.045334.4526@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <3814@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rrmst3+@pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes:

>When was the last time *any* player put a teammate on the DL?  (Not
>counting foul line drives...)  Admittedly Vaughn and Greenwell had a
>tussle last year, but that is a *very* isolated incident, and didn't
>really hurt either one.

If my memory is any good I seem to recall Luis Soho getting injured when
he was faking a duel with another player with pocket knives.  I believe
that he was put on the DL.  I think that this occured near the end of last
season.  Can anyone verify this?


>Cheers,
>-Valentine
>-- 
>If Plantier goes, I go!				tedward@cs.cornell.edu

--David Johnson
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 00:59:10 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pitching changes: Managerial rules?
Distribution: na

Ninety pitches in a game for a professional isn't that bad at all.
However, I disagree that there should be rules prohibiting managers
from overusing their pitchers. That is not to say that I am not
concerned for pitchers' health.

One hundred, twenty-five pitches would be the maximum I would
allow someone to throw in a game. There should be a pitch limit
rule - instituted by pitchers themselves. I also believe that
fines should be levied by leagues against managers and pitching
coaches who either force or permit their pitchers to overexert
themselves.

These are only my initial thoughts on the idea. As far as specifics
of where we would *draw the line* on the number of pitches a pitcher
should be allowed to throw, let those be toyed around with after
such an idea became a league rule.

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From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Twins release Donnie Hill
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:06:46 GMT

>> Me
In article <1992Jul21.153830.15543@cs.umn.edu> niccum@cs.umn.edu (Tom Niccum) writes:
>
>>I thought it was a pretty bad move.  If Reboulet can learn 3rd base, Hill
>>probably could.  And he hit better.
>
>I think the point is that Reboulet (in management's opinion) doesn't have
>to "learn" third base.  He was up earlier in the year (when Hill was on
>the DL) and showed that he could play an adequate third, short and second.
>
>>>
>>>-Tom

I'm still not convinced.  Reboulet is still making rookie errors (like being
picked off the other day in a key situation).  He may be fine defensively,
but he's offensively offensive -- he can't hit.  Hill always hit well in
the dome, and was hitting .300 when we let him go.

Then there's the fact that Pagliarulo is now with the team.  So now Reboulet
will only be playing 2nd and SS -- which is what they wanted Hill for at the
beginning of the season.  I bet Hill is wondering, "They wanted me to play
3rd which I couldn't.  So they release me and bring up Pagliarulo."  Doesn't
make much sense to me.

And now they swap Wayne for Abbot.  Hmm....

ewk
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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Electric Pancreas Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cubs totally finished with Maddux?
Keywords: Listen to the money talk....
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:55:04 GMT

In article <1065.2a6edb37@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>
>   Since Oakland and San Diego are discussing a BHurst deal, I wonder what the
> A's would give up for Maddux instead ?

I'm in for five bucks and a candidate against Clemens for the CY.
Maddux in Oakland, with a real defense behind him, massive foul
territory, and the Eck?

You gotta like that.

One of the big three freebies will end up in Oakland.  Either Maddux,
Bonds, or McGwire.  Of the three, I'd bet on Bonds.  Put him in
Center, Rickey in Left, Neel/Hendu platoon in right, and Canseco at
first.  Blankenship and Weiss patrol the middle infield, Ready and
Blankenship cover third base, with Bordick filling in at second, and
the reliable Steinbach behind the plate, and you've got a championship
caliber offense and defense.  

Or, add Maddux to the rotation.  Sprinkle liberally with youngsters
that throw hard.  Add 5 runs a game of support.  Bake for 162 games.

Sounds enticing....


-- 
*  Gary Huckabay  * "Win or lose, Twins forever." - John Stuart Mill           *
* "Not as hostile * "I wonder if Carl Rempert has cute buns." - G. Spira       *
*   as he seems." * "He's the most aptly named person on the net." - D. Kirsch *
*  - D. Cleary    * "Huck, Throw a strike!  That stays IN the park!" - D. Low  *
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: rule question
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.035145.28752@athena.mit.edu>, dmsu@athena.mit.edu (Danny M Su) writes:
>
>	If a right handed hitter comes into the game inherenting a 2-0 count
>against a switch hitter from a left handed pitcher, is the hitter allowed to
>switch side?

        You mean a right-handed pitcher?  Switch hitters have the option
of hitting right-handed or left-handed.  Almost all of the time they will
hit RH against LHP, and LH against RHP.  In the above situation, he will
most probably turn around and bat left-handed.

Edward Hui
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:48:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:

> in r.s.b statistics are used too much and other factors such as the players
> attitude, effort and enthusiasm is rarely mentioned.  I believe that these
> are very important to a players evaluation and should definitely be used
> more often when evaluating players.  I was not trying to suggest that you 
> don't like or watch baseball but that players can't be evaluted on 
> statisics solely and I would like to see more evaluation on players effort
> and attitude.

OK, fine.  When the subject is, "who has better attitude, George Bell or Dave
Winfield", I promise not to quote statistics.

When the subject is "who contributed more to the offense of their respective
teams", will you promise not to get sidetracked into "enthusiasm"?

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From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Late Night Dodgers/Padres Game -- Samuel gone.
Date: 30 Jul 1992 23:13:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Dodgers and Padres played a wild game tonight at Dodger stadium.
First the Dodgers made three player announcements...

1. Juan Samuel was put on waivers for purposes of giving him his
unconditional release.  I have a feeling Sammy will end up in Japan.
Meanwhile, Eric Young was called up from Albuquerque to take
over at second.

2. Darryl Strawberry needs surgery on his back and it is
scheduled for mid-August.

3. Eric Davis got a cortisone shot in his hand.  I think it was
his third such shot.  He is day to day.

As for the game.  The Dodgers scored first on a wild pitch
by Lefferts.  Lefferts was not himself tonight, walking 4 in
5 innings after walking nobody for how long?

The game remained 1-0 through 5 innings.  In the top of the 6th, 
after two were out, Jose Offerman committed yet another error.
Vin Scully pointed out that EVERY time Offerman makes an error
with two outs, the opposing team takes advantage and seems
to score.  The Padres were no exception, and two batters
later they led 3-1.

In the bottom of the 6th, the Dodgers came right back.  The
key blows were a 2 run double by Eric Karros and a single
by Hernandez to score Karros.  This made it 4-3 Dodgers.

But in the top of the 7th, the Padres came right back.  Ojeda
had to leave the game with a sore toe.  He pitched ok...giving
up 3 UNearned runs.  In came Steve Wilson who immediately
got into trouble with two singles.  A double play almost
got him out of the inning, but then he gave up a 2 run towering
home run to deep center field by McGriff.  Padres led 5-4.

But in the bottom of the 7th, the Dodgers came right back again.
This time the hero was Eric Young, who got his first RBI and
first major league hit with a sharp single which tied the game.

The game remained 5-5 into the 10th inning when the Dodgers rallied
to win it 6-5.  Butler started the rally.  Butler extended
his hitting streak tonight to 14 games.  Melendez balked Butler
to second.  Eric Young failed to bunt him  over, but then got
his second single of the game...but Butler stopped at third
with no outs.  The Padres walked Karros to load the bases.
Melendez then struck out Webster but gave up a shallow fly
ball by Benzinger to Gwynn that was JUST deep enough to
score Butler with the winning run.

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Shoot Harry
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:19:34 GMT

In article 26830@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
>(Rob Holmes) writes:
>
>*How in the hell can anyone stand to listen to Harry Carry (sp?)?  I was trying
>*to watch the Cubs-Reds game last night but I kept getting interupted by that
>*slob clearing his throat.  And the way he calls a game is just wonderful: 
>*"there's a ffff...no it was a curve and it was in there for a strike.  I think
>*that was a slinder."  When is this guy going to get the boot.  Do the people of
>*Chicago really like this guy?  And he always says "we" when referring to the
>*Cubs.  I didn't know that he was on the roster. I say, move to the west, 
>*fire Harry, and money-wise, you should come out about even.
>
>
> Harry Caray is a Chicago institution and won't be canned by WGN any time
> soon. Granted, he isn't the greatest of play by play guy but he is in
> the Hall of Fame. If you don't like it... turn down the sound or try
> to pick up the WGN radio broadcast.
>

Are we going to start another thread because some ignoramus missed the last one?

Anyway, I was most amused by Harry's inability to pronounce Hal Morris'
name correctly last night. "Hal Marsh"? 

My brother commented, "Someone must've spiked his water." We all know that it's
artesian spring water he only drinks. :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) He never did try to pronounce my name
    on TV. He probably would've choked before he got it right.



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