From: exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se (Asem Qaddoura,xt-dk,1209)
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Subject: RE: Words Feminists find Demeaning!
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:30:00 GMT
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In article 26773@life.ai.mit.edu, ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban) writes:
>In article <26575@life.ai.mit.edu> exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se (Asem Qaddoura,xt-dk,1209) writes:
>
>	   First, are we talking about incidents that happen once or twice in a year!
>	   Second, What does Islam state on such incidents.
>	   If it says what you claim above and below please provide a proof. 
>
>   >relatives (to "save their honour"), who are beaten by their husbands
>
>	   The Prophet(SAWS) said in many authentic hadieths what means: the
>	   best among you(muslims) are those who treat their families(including
>	   wifes) in the best manner/behaviour.  One of the last things He	said
>	   before his death was(what means): treat women in a good positive and
>	   excelent quality.
>	   If a muslim family/husband behave in the manner you mentioned, simply
>	   this does not reflect Islam.  Besides,  if you comapre the percentage
>	   of such things in our countries to the statistics mentioned above, it
>	   is not comparable.
>
>I do not agree with those who blame Islam with the social problems.
>However, I agree with those who say that Islam is not giving equal
>rights to men and women, believers and unbelievers, etc. So, a "free
>and equal" society is not the society aimed by Islam. 

	People always failed when they tried to make their own laws or when
	they put the RIGHT religion behind their back.
	The same thing happened to Muslims, they had/have the right religion
	that takes care of all aspects of life, but they rather to imitate
	other nations.  The result for them was worse, they have/know the
	truth but they rather not follow it.  
	This does not mean all muslims, nor the [majority] of them, but those
	who are in charge and some others.
	Read the history, Muslims were having the best conditions for a long 
	time, but when they stopped following the orders of Allah, they now
	have the worst conditions-----but the light is coming back, they are
	changing......to the better.   
	Anyway, the above is a small introduction to Islam/Muslims.
	When you talk about Islam not giving equal rights to men and women,...
	What in the world are you talking about.  The definition of Freedom
	has changed to mean some of the following:
	1-  To use birth control at the age of 13.
	2-  To educate CHILDREN that its OK to have AIDS, it is not his
	    fault, but he/she should be careful when they PRACTICE making
	    love.   Wake up and [smell] the coffee.
	3-  Its OK to have a new mate on every weekend.
	4-  The body is created for others to enjoy, by either watching,
	    playing with, or producing a new baby within,.........
	5-  The more people he/she sleeps with the better values the have
	    and the more respect shell he/she gets.  I saw all of this
	    in this kind of freedom.
	6-  The girl to have sex with her step father,...and so many other
	    similar things...the calim it is freedom that allows them to do
	    so.  Watch Geraldo, Opra, ans such TV show.
	    
	 I could keep going, but I don't see Islam takes any of the GOOD 
	 freedom away from people.  Islam requests you to worship Allah
	 (i.e. by praying), while at the same time tells you to help other
	 needy peolpe, to give away some of what Allah has giving you, and
	 to do any of the above because you and I know that they are not
	 acceptable.
	 

>
>But above, the questioner asks something else than you state in your
>reply. He asks for punishment, and you are citing hadith' which say
>that it is immoral. Of course, Islam means living according to moral
>of Qur'an, but acting against such a moral rule (being harsh against
>his women/children) has no punishment in this world in Islam. 
	
	Like I said before, the man/woman could do wrong, if they can't
	sove the problem, they or either one can always go to special 
	court/judge and request justice form them(according to Islam.
	(muslim countries don't have these courts at this time).
	The court based on the case could punish the man for what he
	is done.  I hope this answers the question.  If people don't
	behave with these cases according to Islam, my case is closed!!
	

>
>Perhaps, I understood the question wrongly, but if not, the answer is
>that the husband is a good Muslim if he acts good against his
>women/children. If not, he will not be punished: therefore, being good
>is not a law of Sharia (like praying five times a day: if not, you
>will be forced in an Islamic state). 
>
	No, being good is the most important part of Sharia.  If he
	is not punished in this life, then Allah does not forgive him
	for bad things he did against the others.  We call this "Huquq
	Al-Ebad), which means "the rights of Servants(others)" this
	thing is almost half of the religion.  One can not be a muslim
	and ignore half of Islam.  Allah might forgive his servant for
	something bad he has done with respect to things other than 
	people, but for anything bad done towards other human he will
	be punished for it in either this life or in the day of judgement.
	This is what the religion is basically about, fear of Allah should
	be in all aspects of life.  For example, if one drinks Alchol, and
	he is not caught by muslim authorities, Allah might forgive him on
	thid, but he does not forgive his back-bite of others,stealing,...
	I hope this was clearto you.  
	Being a muslim does not mean praying and only.  For example the 
	prayer is very important, it is not just a practice five time a day,
	if the prayer does not influence the Muslim to the point where he
	should avoid doing bad things, then he did not fulfill the reason
	behind the prayers.
	
	Please read Isalmic books about the issues you are concernded about.
	thank you!!!  
	
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