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From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:53:44 GMT

In article <banana.715501880@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
>In <BtzGBK.JvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:
>
>>	Gee, it seems there's enough of we transplanted Michiganders (or is it
>>Michiganians) in Illinois that we could all get together in Chicago to have
>>dinner and such.  Sort of a Michi-dinner.
>
>Sounds great to me!!!!
>Steph

Gee, I would feel bad if I didn't throw my .02 cents in too !!! Think my
wife would let me out of the house? 

I wonder how many transplantd Michiganders there are in the Chicago area
alone. Seems like a bunch. It's nice in the windy city..but it's not
the that nice.

"living in the suburbs of Chicago via Lansing-Wash,DC-PA and glad to
be back to the lakes"

Note: when I mention the great lakes region to folks back east, the
first thing that comes to mind is : Michigan...  and lots of snow..hah
what do they know !!!!

Sorry Illinois, New York, Ohio, Wisconsin and eh..tunder bay
 

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From: phil@meaddata.com (Phillip Jacobs)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:13:20 GMT
Distribution: usa

Sorry, I couldn't resist............

I'm headed out tomorrow night for FOUR glorious days in the UP. Nice little
place on Fence Lake, just south of Republic. Just me, the Bass and Nature.


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From: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:31:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>Here's something I've always wondered about: Where, when, and how did
>Michigan manage to steal the yoopee, which should by all rights belong
>to Wisconsin?  (That oughta get a discussion flowing!)

No stealing required -- it was all Michigan Territory once, you know
(sniff).  But in fact, the State of Michigan got the UP in compen-
sation for losing the Toledo War, a pre-nuclear-age conflict that
pitted the armed might of Ohio against the same of Michigan.  The
original plans for Michigan called for inclusion of a little hunk of
territory, reaching down below the present Michigan-Ohio line, which
would have included Toledo.  Ohio didn't like this.  Sabers were
rattled.  The Feds awarded Toledo to Ohio and set the present southern
boundary, but rewarded Michigan by giving it two peninsulas instead of
just one.  Too bad about all that iron & copper, hey?

Funny thing is that I just read (on the Rutgers equivalent of the AP
wire, available the same way this group is) that the Mayor of Toledo
-- like in the last couple of days -- has publicly expressed a desire
to have the results of this conflict reversed and his town taken into
Michigan.

Further Historical Footnote: Michigan does not do well in wars.  Not
only did we lose the Toledo War, but although the War of 1812 ended
much earlier, Michigan (Drummond Island) was occupied by the British
(aka Canadians) until 1820.  If you seek a peaceful peninsula ...

Bertram Walsh                   | Pereant illi qui, ante nos,
Dep't of Mathematics            | nostra dixerunt!
Rutgers University              | 
New Brunswick NJ 08903-2101 USA |           -- Aelius Donatus
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: Depressed
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:37:22 GMT


OK!!!!!

You guys are  starting to make me think again about that honeymoon we  
never took - car-camping around Lake Superior, counterclockwise. This  
would be the perfect time of year for it (after black flies, before deer  
hunters).  Maybe next year....sigh

I grew up on Lake Michigan, on Scenic Drive, between Muskegon and  
Whitehall.  We kids traveled about on a network old overgrown lumbering  
roads in the woods behind the house. They led us  to all sorts of secret  
places, like a clearing that we were sure was an old Indian campground (it  
had large round cleared areas, like for teepees, and  firepits). We had  
forts, special look-out trees, and places where we knew the lady slippers  
always came out.  We were always down at the lake, even in the winter,  
doing that most forbidden but exciting of sports- iceboating on broken off  
chunks of icebergs!  We would come home totally soaked in our snowsuits  
swearing up and down we hadn't been anywhere near the lake.

The stuff I miss the most is weird - like the elated feeling I get when  
driving north when  the terrain finally starts getting hilly. Why? I  love  
those old  plantings the CCC did  - forgotten grids of pines that nobody  
has even gone back to thin. How about those bars in the UP where they have  
rabbit tails taped to the wall?  Our favorite Saturday pastime in high  
school was to play a game where we would drive out in the country, then at  
every intersection take the smaller of the two roads. You can end up in  
some pretty strange places that way.

And how about Sea Shell City, the World's Largest Crucifix, and the best  
of all, the Mystery Spot?  When we went there as kids, we couldn't figure  
it out. Went back as stoned teenagers, again baffled.  A trip back a few  
years ago made it all quite clear, but what a delight. 

And NOBODY knows how to plant a plaster Virgin Mary in a front-yard  
bathtub better than a Michigander. 


----------------------------------------------------------
Robin Bush, now living in a planned community where all the houses are  
identical and PINK, and the yards are the size of king-sized beds. 80%  
grass, 20% shrubs. 17 million neighbors. Longing for the north woods.
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From: chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  3 Sep 92 06:31:20 GMT

In <BtzGBK.JvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:

>	Gee, it seems there's enough of we transplanted Michiganders (or is it
>Michiganians) in Illinois that we could all get together in Chicago to have
>dinner and such.  Sort of a Michi-dinner.

Sounds great to me!!!!
Steph
From: budnick@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:21:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center


My turn for Michigander nostalgia...

Born in Escanaba (in the U.P.), raised in Ada (near Grand Rapids), 
5 yrs in Houghton, 5 yrs in Ann Arbor, and at various times lived
or had long layovers in Traverse City, Whitmore Lake, Hancock (U.P.), 
Curtis (U.P), the Garden Peninsula (U.P.), and Rapid River (U.P.).

Always wanted to live in the mountains (I'm an avid skier), so I packed
up and moved to Park City, Utah.  Its a desert here, but we get
*lots* of snow up in the higher elevations.  I do miss the water and 
the green of Michigan, though.  

I can't seem to get away from transplanted Michiganders.  I live on a
hillside in oldtown Park City (an old mining town, with a history
quite similar to the Copper Country) that has a row of about 5 houses.
All but a couple of the twenty odd folks that occupy them are from 
Michigan (we had two token Ohio natives, but ran them out of the 
neighborhood  8^})

I still enjoy occasional trips back, but the mountains and desert
have become home...for now.

alt.great-lakes posts always brighten my day!

Peter Budnick
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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Depressed
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 20:11:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: usa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Sep3.154707.29537@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com writes...
>You are all depressing me.  It's only been 2 months since I last stomped
>my home grounds (a little place called Shields, just outside of Saginaw)
>and I already miss the place.  I must admit though, that even though I
>moved to Arizona (Phoenix area) 10 years ago, I can still remember some
>of the less popular things about home (yes, I still think of Michigan as
>home).  Anybody remember mosquitos, and how they ate you alive after sunset?
>How about getting stuck with the dubious honor of shoveling the
>driveway when you were a kid?  Perhaps driving in the snow and ice?
> 
>Actually, I've noticed that, at least in Michigan, people know how to
>drive in bad weather.  Here in Arizona, most people can't manage to
>navigate on a dry, sunny day :-).
> 
>I don't mean to have a bad attitude about home.  It's the only way I
>can keep myself conviced that leaving was the right thing to do.  I do
>like Arizona a lot, but I miss the green, the change of seasons, and
>the big lakes (sigh ...).
> 
>Dana "Home-sick" Rigg

Dana,
  I always find it interesting to se how many people I come across who
came from the same general area as myself. You are from Shields and I
came out here to the desert from Freeland. That's about a half hour or
twenty minute drive from each other, not bad.
  I remember the mosquito's, snow and such all too well. I went back
this year for the Cherry Festival in Traverse City, stopped over in
Leland at the Bluebird for supper (Great as usual!), watched the sailing
ships on Traverse bay and caught the ending fireworks over the Bay. I
don't think I have ever seen a private fireworks display as pretty as
that. I will confess that I made a pig of myself on all the homemade
pastries and such up in that area as well as bringing back about twenty
pounds of sausages and meats from up there. Nothing like that here.
  I finished off by staying for a few days with relatives in Saginaw.
That city sure has changed, both good and bad. I much prefer the way
the various cultures get along out here.
  I came back through Colorado and down and will admit that I felt at
home when I saw the mountains and high country. There is something
about the air and stars here but I do miss the water back in Michigan.
							Jim

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From: sjp@baddog (Steve Phillips (4266))
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:43:36 CDT

plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
: In article <kedX01600Uzx02jlZG@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
: >Any other Badger fans out there?
: 
:    There *are* a few of us expatriot Wisconsites out here.

After doing penance in Texas, I'm lucky to be back in God's Country! I
feel sorry for those who had to leave.

: 
:    Here's something I've always wondered about:  Where, when, and how
: did Michigan manage to steal the yoopee, which should by all rights
: belong to Wisconsin?  (That oughta get a discussion flowing!)

I believe Wisconsin and part of Minnesota were part of Michigan
territory before they split it up to form Michigan state. There has
been movements on and off in northern Wisconsin and Michigan to split
off and form their own state I believe. The down-state folks always
take us for granted.

See you at the Leinie Lodge!

--
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From: thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:26:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <chiquita.715478077@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
>
>Well, John, this is a group that talks about the 
>attributes of Michigan, and asks questions related to
>tourism and stuff...  I like it.  Being from a little tourist
>town on Lake Huron just north of Bay City, I love it.
>Btw...where do all ye fellow Michiganders hail from?
>Steph
>
  I hail from a REALLY tiny town in southwest Oakland county named New Hudson.
Its about 10 miles from Brighton and 10 miles from South Lyon, where I went
to high school.  Its a great little town, full of houses from the 1890's thru
the early 1920's.  These days though, there's a lot of new construction as the
folks from the city move to the suburbs.  That's the only bad part.  IcK.

  Like John, I really love the Great Lakes area, especially Michigan, both
Upper and Lower Penninsulae :)

  Hey John-- wanna go fishing?  :-{)



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From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:53:48 GMT

In article <Sep.2.21.03.30.1992.9838@math.rutgers.edu>, bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh) writes:
> I'm not really complaining, and flames to /dev/null please, but how
> did this group get to be dominated by expatriate Michiganders?  There
> are persistent rumors that other US states and a couple of Canadian
> provinces have Great Lakes shoreline ...
> 
> Bertram Walsh  Mathematics Dep't  Rutgers University New Brunswick NJ 08903
>  [Pre-statehood Michigan settler stock -- Swartz Creek & Westphalia 1830s]
>    There are now over 800 Kirtland's warblers in Michigan in the summer!

Probably has to do with the fact that us Michiganders, being surrounded by it,
are the most affected by it. And it's only the expatriate ones because us
ones still here don't have to say much about it cause we're still here. :)

(Yeah, I'll throw in a bio, what the hell. Grew up in Oscoda - you know,
Wurtsmith AFB, which is closing next year? Can we say local economic depression?
Pretty enough, but flat. The AuSable is gorgeous, but at that end, over-
touristed, I'd say.

Moved to Houghton to go to MTU. Been here 6 years, ain't been smart enough to
leave yet. But the trees and hills are pretty and the fresh air is absolutely
wonderful. :) )

-- 
= Jeffery Bacon       General Systems Hack, Michigan Technological University =
= bacon@mtu.edu, bacon@mtus5.bitnet        ph-(906)487-2197 fax-(906)487-2822 =
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From: jens@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (marty.c.jensen)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:38:26 GMT

In article <kedX01600Uzx02jlZG@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Just my 2 dollars worth.
> 
> U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!! U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!!
> 
> (Milwaukee is actually just as cool, but I'll go with the whole
> state as my vote)
> 
> Any other Badger fans out there?
> 
> Chris.
> 
YES, there are some other cheeseheads out here.  Unfortunately, like 
a lot of people on this news group I am displaced  in the Chicago 
area.  After growing up in a tiny town in northern Wisconsin and 
experiencing life there, I really miss the simple things that we had 
back home.  We made our fun in N. Wisc., it didn't cost money to
do things.  Swimming in lakes, hiking thru the woods, skating on
the river in my sister skates (kinda embarrassing) for examples.
But one of the biggest things I miss are the woods.  A stand of trees, 
big enough in area to get lost in, and all the wonders (birds, 
animals, plants)that come with a forest like that.

Enough of my self pity, I can always go home to N. Wisc.

Yes there are other Badgers out here and Damn Proud to be one.

                                              Take Care,
                                              Marty 

Martin C. Jensen - AT&T Network Systems, Naperville, Illinois
E-mail: att!ihlpm!jens                 A peaceful place or so 
Phone:  (708) 510-6841 (work)        it looks from space, a closer
        (708) 879-6043 (home)        look reveals the human race. J Barlow.
                                   
 


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From: zeus@cs1.bradley.edu (Alex Lecea)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  3 Sep 92 18:10:51 GMT

In <3SEP199209545667@apsicc.aps.edu> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:

>It is pretty out here and the only part of Michigan I really miss is
>the Traverse City, Leelanau area.

How long has it been since you've been there?  I was just there this
past summer (first time in a few years), and boy, has it grown!!  
Not all nessarily for the better, it's more touristy....

Alex
Flint, Michigan
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             I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up somewhere.
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From: bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.005033.15368@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>I do miss scuba diving in WI lakes and quarries. I *don't* miss 6 months
>of gray sky though. Must have the psychological disorder with light. 

I *do* miss 6 months of gray sky. Sunlight hurts my eyes. Photosensitive
or something.

>I miss hanging around with folks that appreciate beer and brats.  Ya just
>dohn't see dat enee wear elts hey!

That's for sure. I'm still in the Midwest, here in central Ohio (or, as my
T-shirt says "Klumbis, Ahia"), and I miss quite a bit about Wisconsin.
I miss the cleanliness of Milwaukee, especially the flowers down the 
middle of the boulevards. The meat here is awful compared to the good
steaks and such in Wisconsin, although I used to work with some Iowans
who would complain about "stringy Wisconsin milk cows". The most German
restaurant here (and about the only one!) sells something called a
"Bahama Mama". Nobody knows what *real* brats should taste like. Nothing
certainly comes close to a *Sheboygan* brat. For that matter, there are
few ethnic restaurants, unless you count the 103 Chinese ones. There
are certainly no Serbian or Polish ones, for instance (boy, I miss
Old Town). As for the beer, I wouldn't know. I gave up beer when I was 12.
I had some really bad beer that made me swear off the stuff for life,
and I haven't had a drop since. I think it was Oconto beer, or maybe 
that swill they brewed in Two Rivers. And the fish! Lake perch (and 
I've only found one place that sells lake perch) is $10/lb! And it's
Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan! Ask for whitefish and they give you cod.
	What's this?
	Whitefish. Cod. It's white. It's fish.
They never heard of Lake Superior whitefish.

And you can't find a radio station that plays polkas to save your life!
The little ones all paly country! ARGHH!

>David Knapp                                     University of Colorado, Boulder
>Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu


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From: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM (Doug Sawyer)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Ex-michiganders
Date: 4 Sep 1992 00:50:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bugman.ebay.sun.com

Another X-Michigander here, out here in Silicon Valley.  

When I tell people I'm moving back to Michigan next year they think I'm
nuts.  They think this area is paradise.  Yuk !  

I miss the green and most of all the lakes and rivers that area has to offer.  Everything out here is man made and Southern Cal is worst yet.

I was out there in July.  I did notice something alarming.  Went camping
on Lake Huron and visitied a place call Black Lake ( my old stomping  grounds ) and noticed a lot of dead trees, all over that area.  It was pretty
cold up there for that time of year also.   

Back in the Detroit Sub's there were a lot of fire flies.  Some poeple said it was the most they've seen in many years.  

Well ya don't know what ya got till it's gone....

Doug :)



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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Toledo part of Michigan?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:28:38 GMT


As we all know, there was a war between Ohio and Michigan over Toledo.
fortunately, Michigan lost and was blessed with the UP. I always 
thought us Michiganders got the better deal.

If you get UPI newswire, check out the the clari.news.michigan
group. There's a (mainly humorous) effort in Toledo to seceed
from Ohio and join Michigan.

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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:54:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: usa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <chiquita.715478077@camelot>, chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes...
> 
>Well, John, this is a group that talks about the 
>attributes of Michigan, and asks questions related to
>tourism and stuff...  I like it.  Being from a little tourist
>town on Lake Huron just north of Bay City, I love it.
>Btw...where do all ye fellow Michiganders hail from?
>Steph
> 
Stepanie,
  Well speaking for myself I come from Freeland which I suspect is not
to far from your original town. I went to Delta and SVSC and when the
recession hit the auto industry in 79-81 I moved out here to the desert.
It is pretty out here and the only part of Michigan I really miss is
the Traverse City, Leelanau area.
							Jim

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