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From: m92mli@tdb.uu.se (Mikael Lindgren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Monitors for the A4000???
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:35:59 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
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Hi...   Merry X-max and a happy new year to everyone who reads this during the holiday..

I`m planning to by an A4000 but I don`t know what monitor to buy.
The preformance of the CBM1960 didn`t satisfy me at all, it can`t handle all the resolutions! (from what I have seen it can`t display Productivity (800x600))

I would like to have suggestions for other monitors that CAN display all resolutions, so if anyone of you out there have any ideas, please let me know.

 Thanks

  Mikael Lindgren
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:54:37 GMT

In article <BznCB9.FKJ@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>>I've not seen it;  I'll certainly look at it, keeping in mind
>>that I have no way of verifying what your letter to them said
>>(ie it could have flamed them, it could have been a letter asking
>>them never to support the Amiga), and I have no way of verifying
>>that their letter to you was anything like you posted.)

>   They apparently replied to a posting.  I never sent them any letters; I 
>only posted a message to comp.sys.amiga.applications complaining about the
>total lack of tax preparation software for the Amiga.  They replied, AGREEING
>that the Amiga user base in the U.S. could not support even one good tax
>preparation program.

Not that any company that markets a $175 CDTV contraption for recognizing
incoming phone calls is a credible source for anything mind you. Perhaps
if they developed a *good* tax preparation program, they wouldn't place
the onus on everybody else.
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:47:08 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <C022Bw.AwM@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.214112.20498@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>>
>>>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>>> productivity software available for the Amiga.
>>
>>That's true Marc, CygnusEd Professional, SAS C 6.1, Video Toaster's
>>software, Real 3D 2.0, they all suck, they're lousy and all inferior
>>to even most basic MicroSoft products.
>
>   Yes, CignusEd Pro, SAS C, and Real 3-D are really good examples of 
>productivity software.  All these go hand-in-hand with WordPerfect,
>Adobe Illustrator, and MS Works.  NOT!

The Amiga has several good WP packages, several mediocre spreadsheets, several
good DTPs, one good database, several good structured drawing packages, several
good paint and image manipulation packages.  These programs may not be compatable
with their DOS counterparts, and in some cases are clearly inferior to their
premiere DOS counterparts, which often cost up to $700 unless one qualifies for
an upgrade or a discount because one has the right competitor's product.

If WP were to come out with WP6 for AmigaDOS at $300-500 (whatever the DOS one
normally sells for), almost nobody would rush out to buy it, even if it followed 
the Amiga style interfaces to a T, because it's too expensive for the average
Amiga owner, who has a $600 Amiga 500/600/1200.  The ones who would be interested
would be people who already have the WP 4.1 (and presumable could upgrade for 
less), or really need to take their WP documents home.
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:49:12 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > Come on, Peter -- that's a bit cynical.  I can show you several OS books
: > which consider DOS an OS.
:
:     And this is really naive. I can show you several magic books which
:     consider magic to be real.
:

It's all a matter of definition, isn't it?  The think I find annoying is that
you think that *your* definition is the only one that matters.

:
: > My Atari 800 ran useful applications in 16K.  Not exactly a miracle of
: > modern technology.
:
:     So you're saying your Atari 800 is better than a PC?
:

No, just saying that this whole line of argument is stupid.

:
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:02:41 GMT

In article <C01sCG.KG7@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.072401.6373@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> 	Yeah, right.  You're gonna sue Commodore?
>
>Me? No, my warrantees ran out long since, and I only opened my 1000 about 6
>months ago when a small child stuck an unmentionable object in the disk drive.
>But suing them in small claims court for the repair cost of stuff that should
>be covered would be quite reasonable.
>
>Speaking of 1000s, anyone know where I can get a keyboard or a hack to put
>another keyboard on? The same small child trashed out the "T" key.
>

  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
  Yep, I suppose it's Commodore's fault for putting the on/off power button
  on the A3000 in the front where small child can toggle easily, or the
  floppies drives up front too where small child can stick all sorts of
  things in.  And of course it's Commodore's fault for making the Workbench
  so easy to use, so that small child can move files and drawers around,
  and happily click on everything.  And not to mention hot-keys!  Omigod!
  Small child can easily trash the commodoties.  Better to be like the
  SUN Sparc on my desk at work, where small child got bored immediately
  and went onto playing with filing cabinets and bookshelves.  
  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 
>
  I can't wait until we move to a bigger place and hide the 3000 in a
  study and revive the 500 in the playroom for small child to rummage
  around on.  I supposed I'll put in a small hard drive for him, though.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:43:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzIA53.Itn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <72041@cup.portal.com>
  <BzKo4G.2Ju@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>>Oh heck, nothing. The bus of the week is a pretty good way to ensure
>>all peripherals work together.
>
>It's all in how you choose.  A VESA/EISA motherboard will run 97% of
>the cards being produced today.

Interesting, I'd never heard actual statistics.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: I am FORCED to by a laptop!  HEELP ME!
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:29:46 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Well, I just grew up and as such, I must give up my Amiga 3000.
I love my Amiga and would never want to part with it.  I will
always miss my Amy.  But, I entered the real world yesterday.
I got a job, I got breifed, and I have to get a notebook.

Sadly, there is no Amiga notebook, thus I am off to the IBM
compatable market.  I can not afford both computers, so I
must realize the fact that Commodore has screwed up the Amiga
so bad that it isn't usable in todays world.

Anyways, so here is why I am posting to this group.  I need
help in my search for a laptop/notebook.  "Hey, that doesn't
have anything to do with the Amiga" I hear many shouting, but
it does.

You see, I want to keep as much of the strengths of the Amiga
as possible, but on a different platform.  Of course the laptop/
notebook will be a 486SLC with color screen (~$5000) becase this
is what I am forced to purchase.  My job requires it.  It also
requires specific software writting for i486 processors... on the
fly (or bus, or train, etc...)

So, when not running the companies software, I have this wonderfull
notebook computer, and what OS is best and closest to the Amigas?

OS/2 2.0?  It looks nice, but I haven't played around with it much.

Does it offer "ToolManager2" type effects (ie. Dock, TextDock, etc...)

What is out there on the IBM side that is simular to the Amiga?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

(that is the main question)

So, lets start out with the first program:  DeluxePaint IV.
Is there anything remotely simular on the compatables?-

Travis Carter

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV console due soon
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:00:35 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Distribution: world
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In article <harry.03qm@elfuerte.fipnet.fi> harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen) writes:
>This was in December CU Amiga, page 10:
>
>"A cut-price, cut-down console-like version of the CDTV is set for launch
>before next Easter.  Although plans for the new machine, aimed at taking on
>the SNES and Megadrive in the burgeoning console market, have been kept
>underwraps, we can exclusively reveal that the new machine will be
>competitively priced and come in at below #200 (200 UK pounds).  No specs
>are currently available although at least five UK software houses are
>currently developing titles."

   Hmmm, this is interesting. This system would actually make more business
sense than CDTV has - TurboGrafx and Sega have both shown that these systems
are marketable, albeit to different degrees. If Commodore were working on 
such a system, I'd be really interested to see how they handle it. 
   The one problem that Commodore must address is the issue of CD-quality
audio for such a system. Paula isn't going to cut it, even with AGA. There
would have to be new hardware to handle that...

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.170301.28448@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>The concept of a GUI and its initial design was not a "Mac" thing,
>not an "Amiga" thing, and certainly not an "IBM" thing. The concept
>came from Xerox, and so did some initial implementation. This was
>developed by Xerox at their advanced research center.

The concept of a GUI was around even before Xerox (not at Apple!). Just being
a bit picky here but it was floating around in academic circles for some
time.
>
>You may ask how I came about this information. It is simple. I work in the
>building that used to be their 'advanced research center'. They have since
>gone...

Are the ghosts giving you any lost secrets?!
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: PAULA neglected!
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:13:34 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

  I have on major complaint towards C=! PAULA should have been revised.
I was sad when I did not see a SUPER PAULA when the A3000 was released,
and again abit unhappy that its not in the A1200 or A4000. I have no
idea if SUPER PAULA exists, but I heard some DSP board will be able to
go in the CPU-slot on the A1200/4000..AGA machines..
 
  I know very little about DSP chips. But I would like to know something
does anyone know what the updated sound quality will be in the future
of the Amiga?
 
  Okay professionals want 16-bit sound, etc.. But for game makers more
A/D channels would be great, even if they are 8-bit. Like 8 or 16 8-bit
A/D channels could really improve on some stuff. Like games with a good
tune in the background and nice sound f/x's! 
 
  Is this DSP chip only going to have 2 16-bit A/D channels?? Now that
would be good for some things, but still kind of lame. I like to
see an extension to the PAULA chip. 
 
  You know what makes the AMIGA, its chipsets! If it did not have those, I
would have never bought the Amiga. So C= the AMIGA CHIPSET TECHNOLOGY,
and MARKETING the Amiga should be a vital concern. Not only that try to
establish the Amiga in some educational institutes. Like its a drag not
to find any decent places to learn how to program the Amiga. Except through
modeming or user groups. On the IBM/or even MAC its much easier. Hence
more software developers..etc 
 
  I guess I better end here, later all!
 
 -Alex

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:39:43 GMT
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Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >Right, but there's nothing preventing a nasty application from bypassing
: >your ROM routines and talking directly to the disk hardware, screwing things
: >up.  On a system with properly-implemented memory protection, however, it's
: >much more difficult (if at all possible) to write such an application.
:
: If you are interested in the subject, you might want to do some research
: sometime.  The Internet Worm is fairly interesting, since it ran
: on Unix boxes.  (remember, Unix has protected memory).
:

Yes, Unix has protected memory; that doesn't mean that it's bug free.  The
Worm took advantage of bugs in Unix, and took immense knowledge and ingenuity
to create.  On the other hand, a second-week computer science student would
have no problem intentionally screwing up a system without memory protection.

:
: andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com
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From: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Reply-To: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:04:59 GMT

andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:

> In article <BzFyvK.127@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett
> >>Who cares?  If I wanted VM, I'd go buy Gigamem *right now*.
> >
> >   With GigaMem, and there guarantees that it will continue to be supported
> >and updated?  Are there any guarantees that it will run under fewer OS
> >versions?  The company that developed GigaMem could go out of business
> >tomorrow, or Commodore could change something at any time to make GigaMem
> >no longer work.  A real Amiga virtual memory solution has to be supported
> >by Commodore.
> 
> Well, you continue to surpass my expectations in whining and complaining,
> making things up, and adopting stupid points of view just to have something
> to flame about.
> 
> Prediction:  if Commodore came out with a VM system tommorow you'd
> 	1) complain it wasn't memory protection
> 	2) complain it was different that Gigamem.
> 	3) complain it was way late.
> 
> Naturally, since you probably still use 1.2/1.3 on a single floppy drive
> A500, and your mom won't let you touch her A3000 any more, the VM
> question doesn't actually affect you.  But you'd still flame about it.
> 
> Second:  In this flame, you've apparently decided that only software
> by the computer manufacturer is acceptable to purchase.  After all, it
> only works today....tommorow Apple could release system 8...
> all the graphics accelerator cards could stop working.  Microsoft could
> release MSDOS 6.5 and Stacker could break.  So you're saying
> only buy Apple software for Macs, Microsoft software for MSDOS machines,
> AT&T software for Unix, and so on.
> 
> 
> I just gain more respect for the ISU computer science department every 
> time you post :-)
> 
> 			andy
> -- 
> andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com
> 
> "Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."
> 
> Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
> I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

Whew! Never thought I'd see a CBM'er let Marc have it. And boy did you. 
What amazes me is that Marc has stayed on this long. I mean, I saw the 
writing on the wall, thanks to work, and bailed. I gave one good shot at 
CBM management that I'd been dying to say, and now I've got a 486/33 to 
play with. I'd rather have my 3000, but let's face it; when it comes to 
expensive computer hardware, this is one time where you go with the 
crowd. When I see Sierra, SSI, and EA (Origin included) all dropping 
support within 2 weeks, I have to get the feeling something is wrong. And 
I still think 3DO will be the end of Amiga.


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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am FORCED to by a laptop!  HEELP ME!
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:24:54 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.152946.62226@cc.usu.edu> by slhmz@cc.usu.edu:

> What is out there on the IBM side that is simular to the Amiga?

    It STILL doesn't belong in this newsgroup. Take it to a PC
    newsgroup.

> Travis Carter
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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:23:10 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

WHY???!!! [sitting with 1200 on my lap and typing on 500.... multitasking
with a vengeance.]


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:59:12 GMT
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Richard Foy (foy@aero.org) wrote:
:
: Many people complain about how the youth of today don't read, how they 
: just watch TV or play video games. That is a silly complaint. The world
: of today ane even more so of tomorrow will be a world in which communicating
: will be done by video etc. How did Clinton win the election. Primarily by
: good use of the video world.
:

So you think that watching Slick Willie on TV is as educational and rewarding
an experience as reading a classic novel?

:
: So I believe that the people who use DOS machines, who primarily use
: them for word processors and spreadsheets, will become the second class
: citizens of the future. Those who work with Amigas and perhaps MACs wil
: become the world leaders of the future. 
:

Oh my god.  A new low for c.s.a.a.  I just might put this in my .sig.

:
: Richard Foy 	Standard Disclaimer
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Happy Holidays! (And a flame-free new year)
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:43:32 GMT

Well, I'm off to the land of smog and concrete, with no net access for the next
two-and-a-bit weeks, so I just wanted to wish all you Amiga Advocates a happy
and fun holiday season. See you all in '93 - now officially known as:

     The Year That Was Almost the Year of the Amiga Before Commodore
                  Screwed Things Up Yet Again  (c)


9)

Happy Holidays!

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From: Karsten_Weiss@ibase.stgt.sub.org (Karsten Weiss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Chunky Pixel Mode for Low End Chip Set?
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:32:15 MET
Organization: Intuition-Base BBS Leonberg

 
Some days ago I read the feature list of the new Low End Chip Set and the
High End Chip Set Commodore is developing at the moment. I was very happy
to see that Commodore finally decided to implement a chunky pixel mode
which is very important to me. However, I recognized that the chunky mode
was only mentioned in the list of the High End Chip Set features. Was this
a mistake? I DON'T HOPE SO!!! Could anybody from Commodore confirm this?
Thanx in advance...
 
I think it is very important that the Low End Chip Set will get the
chunky mode as well because that would make it possible to convert games
such as Ultima Underworld I + II, Comanche, Strike Commander, etc. with
FULL SPEED!!! It doesn't help very much when only the High End will get
chunky because the Low End Chip Set will be in the 'game computer' of the
future - not the High End!
 
Any other opinions?
 
                                                     Karsten Weiss
 
PS: Don't tell me it is possible to code such stuff with compareable
    speed on the current Amigas...

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