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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: ircle 1.0 (Macintosh client) available
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:29:38 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Version 1.0 of my Macintosh IRC client called 'ircle' is now
available. It can be found on

 sumex-aim.stanford.edu: /info-mac/comm
 ftp.ira.uka.de: /pub/systems/mac
in .sit.hqx format.

The source (THINK Pascal) is also available.

This features some notable enhancements over the 0.x pre-releases,
esp. a cleaner user interface and full CTCP and DCC support.
I've also included a User's Manual.

The program should run on every Mac with System >= 6.0 and MacTCP >=
1.0.

Have fun!

(P.S. I will not do much programming and IRCing due to exam
preparations for the next weeks, but I will read any comments and bug
reports and resume work as soon as possible :-)

MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
    o     Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - univ of karlsruhe - germany
 _ /<_    s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de - uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc
(_)>(_)   +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
Coding is "90% finished" for half of the total coding time. Debugging
 is "99 % complete" most of the time. - Fred Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:30:23 GMT

chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:


>Something is seriously wrong with some of the people who dwell on IRC.

>For instance, in my trying to find out what is wrong with my recently
>found Fido program. 

>First of all, no one wanted to tell me the name of the program. Then,
>when I was told and pulled it out with Archie, it compiled and now it
>produces this error when I created the needed .fido file: 

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>fido: bad line in .fido: chaneys@athena.ecs.csus.edu 

>Mon Sep 14 11:05 <<<<<<<<< uts386 is down (20w3d22h8m)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>I thought I created the .fido file the way it was supposed to be
>created. Then I compiled it. When it failed, I deleted the .fido 
>file and then compiled it, then recreated it, I got the same error all
>over again. 

>I went and POLITELY (read: NICELY WITHOUT BEING UGLY) asked about this
>problem, and I got this from #twilight_zone: 

>"Fido sucks." 
[...]

Well, maybe you should read the documentation for fido again ?

Seems that the above line is bad but i'll let you work out why.

Failing that, try playing with rusers and perl/shell scripts.
Or even, *shudder*, write your own program.

>In neither case did anyone think it necessary to help me get this
>.fido file problem fixed, yet I personally know of at least 2 or 3 IRC
>dwellers who have a Fido-like program that detects me when I log on.
[...]

Incorrect.  Someone on #twilight_zone recommended the watch variable
in tcsh be used instead.  From here, things went down hill rather
fast.  Maybe you should hunt out a local 'guru' who can help you and
spend the time required on this.

There has been a guide to "how to behave on #twilight_zone" posted
many times.  Some people have no problems but others who hang about
nagging really get on people's nerves.  Unlink a lot of other IRCers,
IRC is just another window to those people.

avalon
From: gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: "Gender Flags" -- for lack of a better term.
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:40:39 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <BtzE4A.M41@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In addition, the '*' marker is a symbolic representation of an anus, and 
>is used by those preferring anal sex. 

I was given to understand that the '*' is a convenient marker for
those people who are anal-retentive...


Gwydion.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: seahawk@netcom.com (Steve)
Subject: What a great 2 years it has been...
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:25:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Time for me to move on. 

	Well it is time for me to move on and out of the Internet Relay
Chat community.  I just wanted to say thanks to all those i met and developed
friendships with.  IRC is a great medium for many areas of communication and
I am thrilled that I had the opportunity to experiernce it in it's fullest.

	I wanted to say thanks to Scott, ssd and the other # channel members
as well as nihilli, Melz, Avalon and the rest of the "FOFH's" on 
#twilight_zone.  What an experience it is to talk to you people (: (for those
of you who are new and are clueless to what FOFH stands for ask on #tz I am 
sure you will get a pleasant response! (-;

	Finally I wanted to offer a special thanks to Trillian for all the
times she put up with me asking questions; Sodapop for also feilding some of 
those questions; THOR for all his help and access to O: line priviledges 
(five minutes of fame and glory were well worth the wait); and finally 
Snacker who really is a coll guy even if he is on in his early teens
for maturity cannot be measured by age alone. 

	To everyone else who i know and might of missed (you know who you are)
thanks for sharing some great times and keep on plugging away on IRC!
Best wishes to everyone out there and remember "Friends don't let friends
use Macintoshes". (:

					Steve Bachar
					A.K.A Seahawk (but not anymore) (:

---
seahawk@netcom.COM
Seahawk@uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: a8jb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (G. Youssef EE)
Subject: Re: question about /ON
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:02:31 GMT

In article <OWHITE.92Sep14163253@zeste.nmsu.edu> owhite@nmsu.edu (smouldering dog) writes:

>why does the /ON command change the output of /SEND?
>if I type in 
>/ON MSG * /SEND send a message

To prevent infinite loops within your script.  A solution is to use this:

/on msg "* *" /exec -out $C $1- 
 
Wizard
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Beginner Q.
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  9 Sep 92 21:27:47 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <1306500001@igc.apc.org> Eran Lahav <elahav@igc.apc.org> writes:
>>
>>Today was my first time on IRC and I couldn't join any channel.
>>Can someone please send me an example of something to type that
>>will get me into a channel ?
>>Thanks.

>You have to /SIGNAL the channel that you want to join... type 
>/SIG #channelname.

>(don't do that. :)  It's really /JOIN #channelname)

And /SI or /SIG or /SIGN will all make you exit IRC - *NOT* generate
a startsign thing or make you join a SIG group.

av
From: bm062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Jacobs)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Ultrix IRC Client(s)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 23:57:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Where can I ftp a copy on an IRC client for an Ultrix system? 
(V4.3, I think)

Thanks in advance.

Jay
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Shaughnessy)
Subject: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:46:21 GMT

#########################################################################
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Michael Shaughnessy                            "I shall neither say never
  
University of Dayton                            nor ever, for anything
Internet: shaughmr@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu       is possible"
Bitnet:   shaughmr@dayton
Denver University                " Die Tueren und die Nelken..Ahhhhhh"
Internet: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu
#########################################################################
##

Hello
I am looking for any and ALL info concerning bots for a vms sytem. As i am
a beginner and have No info regarding the instalation of bots, i am open
to the most simple instruction and am eager to see the most complicated
source code. I apologize if people are flooding this group with Bot
related questions, but i just subscribed today. PLease send all bot info
or bot sourcecode to either adress. Am looking for vms bots and how to
install, run them etc.

thanks 
Mike Shaughnessy
Dirk
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:22 EDT
From: The Beast upon your shoulder. <IO92720@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
 <1992Sep10.144207.5660@news.iastate.edu>
 <1992Sep10.153424.1594@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

Hmmmmm.....  Try writing a bot in Rexx :)  I did, works pretty good if I do say
so myself, and no its not on Unix either its on Vm/cms good ole sh*ty Ibm
Mainframe.  :)  All you need is access to the Raw Irc stuff and you can build
a bot on any system, course it is not as easy as /on commands, but heck thats
the challenge of it, ain't it?
                                Mike "Beastie" Letourneau...
From: shadow@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Matt Mosley)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: server bug being misused
Summary: server bug abuse
Keywords: bug abuse annoying
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:23:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep8.090351.11293@cs.tu-berlin.de> nevs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt) writes:
>
>Hi wolfi,
>improve your bot !
>Bann by adress,detect use of server bug (easy),make use of the server bug
>for your own security ! 

Making use of the server bug, whether for your own uses or not, is abuse -
just because some idiot used it doesn't mean you should.

-- 
|  Matt Mosley - Student from Hell
|  shadow@gnu.ai.mit.edu / mattm@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: cs911089@ariel.yorku.ca (JASON H KELTZ)
Subject: Re: Help with the /on command
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:45:53 GMT

In article <65371@cup.portal.com> Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs) writes:
>I've been playing with the /on commands and made many
>mistakes. How do you get something out of the /on command
>that you don't want in there anymore?

Darla, here's an example that I hope will help you out.

/ON IDLE 5 /AWAY I'm away for 5 minutes.

Now, to remove that, you'd do:

/ON IDLE -5
         *
         **** ... just use the "-" and the argument to remove it from
                  the list.

Jason.
From: gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:41:26 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep15.110745.18761@fwi.uva.nl> bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D) writes:
 adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
 
  lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) wrote :
    fast decline to hell.  Grow up and act like human beings.
   
     (this is not directed at all IRC operators. There are some good ones left.
       TRILLIAN, STAHLE ,WIZARD, JUMPJOE, CRAHN and CYBERMAGE  leap to mine and 
       a FEW others.) 
 
  Looks like a list full of recent ircopers to me, except maybe one or
  two. And it's apparent that you dont know any of these opers. Take
  that whichever way you want.
  later.
 
 I was wondering the same...except for trillian...who ARE these people? :))
 
_________


	It's interesting reading a list of fairly recent people -- and
then being told that they are old-timers.

Gwydion.
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:47:34 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) was telling me...
>Stephen> == Stephen A Chaney <chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu> 
>
>[...]
>
> Stephen> I went and POLITELY (read: NICELY WITHOUT BEING UGLY) asked
> Stephen> about this problem, and I got this from #twilight_zone:
>
>[...]
>
>I dunno about #hack, but #Twilight_Zone people tend to get irritated
>answering every little question. "How can I compile <insert name of
>program that usually has nothing to do with irc here>?" "How can I fix
>it so that I can run my ircIIbot?" "so and so took my nick, how can I
>get it back?", etc.

Well I find that they get irritated with just about anything.  IRC related
or not...

>I'm not saying #Twilight_Zone'rs won't answer questions. It's just that

<Grin> I am...

>after 6,000,000 worthless questions a day, #T_Z'ers can be just a little
>irritated. Give us a chance, we're human, we get angry just as much as
>the next person. Although we try to answer questions to the best of our
>ability, sometimes it's impossible (I've had people ask me how to dial
>into their local computer network! As if I'd know!)

Well, first of all.  Being on #T_Z != Knowing much.  I'm not saying that
the people don #T_Z don't know much.  I'm saying just because someone is
on #T_Z doesn't mean they know things.  


>#Twilight_Zone'rs will help with general questions, but sometimes
>questions like "how do I setup my VMS client?" can't be answered (mostly
>because VMS people aren't around all the time) and other ones (like the
>script one you mentioned).

Most people on #T_Z are usually away, or just ignoring you if they don't
know you anyways.  
#T_Z = replacement for the /wallops 'channel'

As for #hack...they're just as elitist as #T_Z...possibly more.

There is no sure fire way to get help.  You just have to ask, and deal
with people not helping you.  

-Alex
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: 00080945@ysub.ysu.edu (Scott Emick)
Subject: Address needed for FTP of unix irc client
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:21:15 GMT

 
I need an American internet address to FTP a copy of the unix irx client
for a friend of mine.
/ ======================================================================/
/ ______________________________                                        /
/      Scott Alan Emick               00080945 @ ysub                 /
/ Youngstown State University         00080945 @ ysub.ysu.edu         /
/    Youngstown, Ohio, USA               ab046 @ yfn.ysu.edu          /
/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           be524 @ po.cwru.edu          /
/                                         semick @ halcyon.halcyon.com  /
/       "Lazarus Long"                                                  /
/                                            216 - 533 - 4571           /
/=======================================================================/
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: morale@rs6110.ecs.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
Subject: Re: IRC operators: All bad ? (Silek apologizes to some)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:54:49 GMT

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:


>	Hello.  

>	Well, first let me thank each and every person who sent me such 
>charming e-mail. Second, let me say something I either did not make clear
> or failed to say (and thanks scorpio for pointing this out). Not all 
> operators are bad. Some (perhaps 55% ?) are helpful. Perhaps I should have
> pointed out only bad operators I knew instead of lumping almost all operators
> in a group.  
>	The thing is, the bad operators overshadow the good ones.  It is 
> an unfortunate thing. I will say this to any operators I may have offended,
> IF I was wrong, I apologize. I know operators exists that are very helpful.
>  But to the ones I know are bad, I would refer you to my first post on this 
> subject.

>    (p.s. Anyone interested in getting a "Top 20 Worst Operators " List?)

YESS PLEASE!!!!!! (so I know who to stay away from)

>				Later,
>-- 
>         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
>         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.

I think there should be some screening process to exclude "bad" operators.
That 55% should be more like >90% (10% accounts for people who can lie with a straight face). 

Juggler
From: Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Help with the /on command
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 10:05:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Btvx25.362@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Sep1.192111.5052@ctr.columbia.edu>

Hiyas!

I'm new to both IRC and Unix commands in general and any help
would be appreciated. I have the FAQ files plus I've buffered
and reprinted many of the /help files on IRC.

I've been playing with the /on commands and made many
mistakes. How do you get something out of the /on command
that you don't want in there anymore?

Thanks in advance for the help.

                              Darla
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 21:49:35 CDT
From: <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Don't stone me, but...

I know this is a FAQ, and I know you're all probably very sick of people asking
it, but.....

        Does anyone know any public access IRC sites.  Preferably somewhere
        within, oh, 1000 miles of chicago, but if not, anything at all will
        do just fine.  Thanks alot.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: IRC TELNET SITES WANTED
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:07:20 GMT

beglin@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Gordon Beglin) writes:
: In alt.irc, tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
: 
: >
: >Telnet to port 6668 on ircserver.itc.univie.ac.at
: >Preferable if you have fast connection to EASINet.
: >
: >                                                                Tom
: Works great. But how does one log in? I've tried newuser, guest, irc,
: bugs bunny,.....:)  Come on, gimme a clue...:)
: 
: G.B.

  If you telnet to port 6668, no login is required, just have to enter the
nickname you wish.
  Anyhow, connections are allowed currently only for hosts from european
top level domains. This can be changed, anyhow, even if I do not find it
reasonable - as far as I know there should be telnet irc clients in the
U.S. and Australia...
							Tom
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: server bug being misused (how is a bug SUPPOSED to be used?)
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:02:40 GMT

dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
: In article <1992Sep7.223842.29975@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> spencer@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (ForHire-Confidential) writes:
: 
: This is not just a problem with this server, but with most < 2.7.2g.
: 
And it didn't help that a server maintainer, in a (vain) effort to con-
vince server-ops to upgrade, announced the bug to the entire newsgroup.

Really... I appreciate the effort they put in to improve the servers, but
actions like that lessen my appreciation somewhat...
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, "Christian" values
of the 50's.
From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:34:03 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) wrote :
> Those people I named because I had either been 
> helped, or seen them help numerous people.  

> Those IRC operators help to
> preserve the integrity if IRC, and help to eduacte the average IRC user.
> Unlike all those other ops who just sit in #twilight_zone like some kind
> of Gods that sit above in shadow and only speak long enough to act 
> arrogant.

Mister Mc Abee, sir.

My original post wasn't a flame directed you, and I agree with what
you said about good opers contributing to the "integrity" of IRC. 
To that end, what you said is what most people would agree as
reasonable and common sense. 
Now, those opers who help deserve to have their names listed in your
hall of fame. But only those DESERVING. Now, I only know a couple
names from the list that you gave, so I cant say I can speak about
all of them (perhaps I should have made that clearer.) 

It appears that you might have had one or two good encounters with
either of the individual opers that I am talking about and that
he/she managed to fool you. You'll find out sooner or later who that
is .. just hang around #t_z and observe. Most long-time users
reading this will have an idea of who I mean. Certainly, most
long-time opers will know exactly who that is.
Credit should be given only to those deserving. And there was
certainly an undeserving one in that list.
laterz,

-- 
-- avDean
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: a8jb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (G. Youssef EE)
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: World. 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:16:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.181242.28718@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>I went and POLITELY (read: NICELY WITHOUT BEING UGLY) asked about this
>problem, and I got this from #twilight_zone: 

Oh god!!  People, don't even BEGIN to go into #twilight_zone!!  That place
is not the place to ask questions of any kind.  It is full of high-horse
!@*#&% who think that know something....  look else-where.

>I went to #hack, on the advice ofd friends, and got this: 

Ditto.

>Unless I've run into the exceptions to the rule, I'd like to advise
>anyone who reads this, NOT to go to IRC for anything resembling
>questions. They're a pack of stuck-up, self-conceited "I'm on PMS today 
>and everyday" assholes. 

You've run into the exceptions I think.  There are people out there 
that are more than willing to help you.  I would/will if I can answer
your question(s).  There are plenty of others... Just keep trying.

Wizard. 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: 00080945@ysub.ysu.edu (Scott Emick)
Subject: Re: ddress needed for FTP of unix irc client
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:28:36 GMT

Thanks for all your help - I got a lot of replies!
-Scott Emick
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:01:59 GMT

Jeremy F Nelson writes:

>Boy, unless you know something the rest of us dont, you CANT write a bot in VMS
>because you dont have the load command.....
>Sorry, but you need to find a U*IX account or something to start up a bot.
>Also, you dont have any /on commands in VMS, and a bot without /on commmands
>is pretty worthless.
>Sorry.....

Who said that a boot has to be written in ircII ? 

A goot bot is preferable written in C or Perl. :-)
I guess that you can write a bot in Emacs lisp also, but that may
or may not be a overkill depending on how big your iron is.

Perl is availible to the VMS community. 

Bot code written in perl is awailible on ftp.eff.org. Check it out, 
it's real decent.

Beside, IMO... writing a boot with /on's are lame.

\Ruben.

-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.194617.22109@njitgw.njit.edu> lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:
>
>	I have a very similar tale to tell.  I recently became and IRC
> operator (but I am still mostly human). I went to #twilight_zone to ask a 

Please excuse me for lumping ALL IRC operators into the horrendous
category of stuck up punks. 

At least _some_ are human. :) 

Standard Disclaimer
Newsgroups: alt.irc,de.talk.chat