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From: X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:54:36 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <GILHAM.92Apr14161731@march.csl.sri.com>
gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) writes:
 
>First, there's no evidence that AIDS is being passed around in the
>schools.  Recently there was a controversy about this, where someone
>had apparently found AIDS in some schools (or HIV positive students,
>or something).  I seem to remember that there were allegations of
>fraud and the person resigned, but I'm not sure.  At any rate, I would
>argue that the problem of AIDS does not exist in the schools at
>present.
>
Just recently, here in a small Texas town school, SIX students were tested
for and found to have the HIV virus.  It is an issue.  Especially with
mentality that many of Texans (very religious) have, they do not teach
their children what they *NEED* to know about sex because they believe
teaching them anything at all advocates them going right out and doing it.
And now, their children have AIDS because no one could talk about sex.
It's something that has to be dealt with.  And if the parents "can't" do it,
then most schools are willing except those run by the "pre-marital sex is
wrong!" preachers.
We've tried the "as long as they don't know about it, they can't do anything"
approach and it's failed over and over again.  When are we going to realize
that not talking about at all is only killing our childrens if not their
futures with AIDS and unwanted pregnancies???????
 
>By handing out condoms to children whose parents don't want
>it, schools are taking upon themselves parental responsibility.
>
Well, when are these parents going to accept their responsibility?
As I said before, if the parents would stop being so "fuddy-duddy"
about talking about it, the schools wouldn't feel that they have to
deal with it.  But after all, we are getting (or at least I will be soon)
paid (but not enough) to educate these children and the *GOOD* teachers
just as concerned for their welfare as their parents are, if not moreso,
depending on the circumstances.
 
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           and Juliet is out cold..."
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (susan gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How long are kids' memories?
Keywords: not a flame, no agenda, no moral high ground, not crossposted
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:34:44 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

Just recently, Laura 3yo, remembered an incident from when she was
2 (thereby confirming the 1/3 of your life rule).
When she was at the doctor's for her 2yo  she was 
playing in a climbing structure they have. 
Two older boys (5 and 7?) were also playing there.  The younger boy
took her sticker and the older one made him give it back.  On her next visit
to the doctors, 6 months later for her 3 yo checkup, Laura saw the
climbing structure again and started talking about the "bad boy" who
took her sticker and the "other boy" who gave it back.

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: brlw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names wanted for my baby
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:30:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <3572@rosie.NeXT.COM> szakhour@next.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:

>We've been considering this one name but, although my husband likes it, I'm  
>still on the fence:

>Zenon Antun Zakhour

I personally like the sound of this name...and it is masculine and nicely
exotic. It might be a little strange calling him in to supper ;-), it's a
sort of formal sounding name but I really like it.

Jen

--
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RR  R  RR  __RR  __  RR  __RR  RRRRRRRRRUniversity of Rochester, CPU Box 276640
RR    RRR  __RR  __  RR  __RR  RRRRRRRRRRRRRRochester, NY 14627, (716) 274-3739
RR  R  RR    RR     RRR    RR     RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRbrlw_ltd@cc.rochester.edu
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sweat Test Experiences
Keywords: Cystic Fibrosis
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:05:07 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin, PA


  I'm seeking experiences from anyone who's child (or self) has had a "sweat
test" to check for cystic fibrosis.  The test itself sounds pretty benign
(put something on the arm, cover it, keep child in heated room for 45
minutes), but I like to know whatever others can tell me.  How warm is
"heated"?  Should I dress her lightly, or is the point to really make her
sweat?  I'll dress myself in layers, so I can adapt for whatever it is.
How long for results to come back.  Any parents out there with kids that have
cystic fibrosis?  I'd like to hear what led up to the test, symptom wise,
as well as how things have gone since then.  At this point, it looks like
it is somewhat unlikely to be my daughter's problem, but just the same...
Are the results definitive (yes or no), or is some kind of scale where
a result above 'x' means yes, and below that means no.  My pediatrician
has told me that the test is very, very sensitive, and must be just right
in order to get correct results.  Therefore, it has been scheduled at
a large children's hospital -- is this where others had theirs?
  I'm not worried (yet), but I definately am seeking information, just
in case.
  Thanks for any help you can give me.
 
					Susanne Gilliam
					sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.com
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 14:41:33 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject:    New Members of Misc.Kids

Kris Davis writes:
{Allow me to introduce ourselves:
{Kris Davis & Joe Davis (Mommy & Daddy)
{and
{Joseph Ryan Davis DOB September 20, 1982
{Brandon James Bauman DOB February 29, 1992 (Leap Year baby!)

My e-mail reply bounced, but it said:
Hello, Kris!  I'm a "K. Davis", too--Karen Davis!  My son's name is

James Brandon Davis (DOB 12/30/89).  Just thought the coincidence was
interesting! :-)
--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
From: caroline@athertn.Atherton.COM (Caroline Shuttle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: how many diapers do you use in a day for a newborn
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:43:33 GMT
Organization: Atherton Technology, Sunnyvale, CA

Hi, it's me again.  Just so I can budget (I know all children are different)
but a ball park figure would help...

How many diapers does a newborn go through in a day.  And how much
formula, lets say, cans (liquid) or powered containers.

Thanks!

Caroline 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Reply-To: robert@hemingway.WEITEK.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Organization: WEITEK, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.190713.960046@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>Well, I can tell you I hate ours.  We got one that you don't permanently 
>attach, but it uses a foot clamp that pushes two rubber pads up against the
>edges of the doorway.  Well, it falls out with the slightest provocation.

Every gate I've seen is junk.  They all work real hard for a "no tools
necessary" installation, and it makes them unreliable, unwieldy, and
expensive.  I'm looking for a "great big cordless screwdriver required
for installation" gate myself.  Anybody know of one?

	-- Robert
-- 
    Robert Plamondon, robert@weitek.COM

"But that was just one of the many times I died!"
    -- Baron Munchausen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Subject: Six YO "Meany"
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:08:36 GMT

I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
kicks, bites, you name it!!!!

Help I'M GOING OUT OF MY MIND!!!

Thanks in advance!!!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: king@ssd.dl.nec.com (Linda King)
Subject: Re: Sleep Problems FAQ File
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:05:30 GMT


I am writing this to ya'll for Jeannie Dopson with apologies that it took this
long.  On the morning of March 27 our company, NEC America, went through
a major reorganization which included a mass reduction in personell.  I am
sad to say that Jeannie was included in this reduction.  She was able to 
contact me last week and asked me to get a copy of the Sleep FAQ from her 
directory and forward it to Diane.

I hope no-one has been to inconvenienced by Jeannie's non-response
but you now know it was unavoidable.   

If you are unable to find anyone else out there who is willing to keep this
FAQ, I will take the responsibility.  However, I can not be sure that my
position is secure (they won't tell us if more layoff's are coming) so
the same thing may happen again.  

If there is anyone out there with permanent NET access, please volunteer
to keep this file.  In the mean time, anyone who needs a copy can e-mail
their request to me and I will forward it.

Sorry again for the delay!


-- 
Linda King                    "I don't want the cheese,  --
king@ssd.dl.nec.com              I just want to get out of the trap."
(214) 518-5010                              Spanish Proverb
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Sarek@world.std.com (Garrett S Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Irish names (was Re: names)
Keywords: Irish, names
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:47:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.165944.25408@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tew@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (tricia.edge.wood) writes:
>	Garrett:  Spelled Gearoid in Irish with an accent over the 'o'.
>                  Meaning unknown.

Well, according to _Name_Your_Baby_, it means spear-brave.
-----------------
"Scotty, _now_ vould be a good time..."

-- 
Sarek of Vulcan
a.k.a. Garrett Fitzgerald
From: news@cs.unc.edu (news)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Mixing Formula
Keywords: he was slowly starving.  After sucking all day, he only
      got 4 ounces the first day I returned to work.
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:21:44 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University
Originator: gauchj@hatteras

Two - be sure your water doesn't have lead in it.  Older pipes may
      have lead solder which slowly leaks into the water.  We tested
      our water (1950) and there was lead in it.  If we run the water
      until the temperature changes, we flush the pipes clean and
      the lead drops down well below "safe" levels.  This is
      especially important first thing in the morning when the water
      has been sitting in the pipes all night.  Also, cold water picks
      up less lead than warm, so use cold water then heat.  Or, use
      bottle water.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Books
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:49:50 GMT

In article <18145@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:
>>Tracy, don't despair.  There's plenty of time to read with a new baby;
>>you just read while you nurse.  I went through hundreds of books in
>>Will's first year.
>>
>Don't count on it.  Breastfeeding was a two handed operation for me!

Hmmm.  Well.  Presuming you could somehow hold onto the baby with just
one hand, or prop it up on pillows, how would you hold the book and
turn the pages with just the one the other hand?  Someone please give 
the details of this reading while breastfeeding technique. It sounds 
mighty handy to me.

Laura Watson
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:35:18 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <29826@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:

   Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
   your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift 
   anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may 
   hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I 
   shouldn't bowl since I may get hurt swinging the ball.  I'm obviously 
   going to ask my OB about it but wanted to hear from the netters also.

Do you bowl regularly? Do you exercise regularly? If it is a regular
activity, and not strenuous, the usual advice is that you can continue
it until you feel uncomfortable. There are exceptions, like water
skiing, skiing in general (falling and breaking a leg while pregnant
can be pretty crummy), and exercising on your back (when the baby is
big, the pressure on the blood vessels can interfere).

Good luck!

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Underweight 1 year old
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:27:46 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

> 	I have a 16 month old daughter with the same type of "problem."
> At her one year check-up, we learned that she had dropped in percentile.
> She was 7lb 11oz at birth (50th percentile) and at 16 months weighed 
> 17lb. 4oz.(less than 5th percentile.  She also was breastfed and still nurses
> 	I am glad that my pediatrician is thorough.  But I am angry that
> the nutritionist encouraged such bad eating habits just so that my daughter
> would grow in the "normal" pattern.  I think a situation like this should
> be watched closely and possibly checked out with various tests just in
> case.  There could be something medical involved.  But I think sometimes
> a mother's intuition means more than any doctor's opinion.  It sounds as 
> if your daughter is developing just fine and is just going to grow at her own
> rate.  I would follow any advice your doctor gives you.  But don't be overly
> concerned.  I think our little girls will be just fine.  I have stopped 
> worrying and am now just enjoying my child.  Let me know how things turn out.
> --
> Cecilia Adams

Oh dear I dont think parents can ever win. I had the opposite problem with my
son. He was 7 lb 7 oz at birth, but at 3 months was over the 97th centile mark.
The midwives who do regular checks of babies at home in Britian questioned me
very carefully about what I was feeding him and obviously didnt believe he was
exclusively breast fed. He continued to put on 1 lb a week for months and I
lost 1.5 stone in the same time. He is big and heavy and always will be. One
only has to look at his father to see why.
As long as your children are developing normally and are well and happy I think
we do best not to worry, make our own judgements and get on with life. 

Mary Jane

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sluka@stoch.fmi.uni-passau.de (Bernd Sluka)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Summary: Repost -- didn't succeed at the first try
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:51:06 GMT

Our second son

    Benjamin Andreas Sluka

was born on April 10 at 17.21.

The boy weights 3720g and is 50cm long.

Parents: Gabriele and Bernd Sluka
Waiting for his brother: Tobias, 3 years old.
--
Bernd Sluka
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
University of Passau
D-8390 Passau
sluka@stoch.fmi.uni-passau.de
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
From: jmjoy@basic.cs.psu.edu (John M. Joy)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Followup-To: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:05:08 GMT

In article <2531@keele.keele.ac.uk> csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley) writes:
...
>A G A I N S T
>
>       i)  The Catholic religion does not allow sex before marriage
>  and believe their children should not be exposed to this.

Tough.  The United States is not a theocracy.

>      ii)  The matter should be discussed _in_the_home and is not the
>  schools responsiblilty nor is it their right to address such issues
>  or practices in the school setting.


It is the responsibility of the public education system to ensure
a properly educated populus, essential to the operation of a
democracy.  Not only that, but "promot[ing] the general welfare"
may include making available knowledge/means to promote a healthier
society overall, by taking simple action to limit unwanted pregnancies and
STDs.

>     iii)  The school, operating in this way, is upholding the parents
>  constitutional right to exersise full control over their children.

Huh?  Which Article or Amendment specifically gives such a "right"
to parents in the implied totalitarian manner?  That would imply
child abuse/neglect is o.k.!

>      iv)  Parents felt that the school was teaching the _opposite
>  ideals to children in contrast to the ideals encouraged in the home.

\begin{editorial}

Why does it always seem that SOME peoples' ideals are acceptable for
the public classroom, yet some others' aren't?  For instance,
nary a high school campus exists in this country (U.S.) where there
cannot be found military recruitment posters.  Rarely can one 
attend a "career day" or "college fair" without seeing a military
recruitment table.  As a committed participant in the peace movement,
I suppose I could say that I would have a problem with children
(mine or anyone else's) being exposed to these opportunities,
which are against my ideals.  I would hope that my kids would,
by witnessing my example and hearing both sides of the issue, be
able to make an informed decision.

During a relatively recent Presidential campaign, it was revealed that
a certain candidate was opposed to REQUIRING school children to
recite the pledge of allegiance.  The individial in question was
subject to EXTREME criticism from some of the very people who
are fighting so hard to enforce THEIR religious ideals in the classroom:
despite their flag position denying others, theirs.

\end{editorial}

>
>       v)  Giving condoms to children _encourages more sexual activity.
>  It was felt the children would be more likely to abstain if the free
>  condom opportunity was not available.

Can anyone cite any studies to confirm this, or is this purely
speculation?

>
>      vi)  Misuse of contraceptives. (reports of using them as
>  waterbombs and placing them on classroom doorhandles etc.)

Believe it or not, this is probably the MOST REASONABLE "against"
argument, which simply demonstrates how silly they all are.


JMJ
From: walsh@sugaree.uu.net (Christine Walsh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:50:48 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids,misc.education
Distribution: na
Organization: IKEA US, Phila PA

2 thoughts:

I think my husband's sex ed teacher was right. He said you're old enough
to have sex when you have enough nerve to go buy condoms.

For any action you do, you must be prepared to suffer the possible
consequences. Is one night of passion worth becoming a babysitter for the next
18 years? I think kids should be asked that. Somehow, I don't think they
know all the pros and cons of sex and birth control methods.
-- 
Christine Walsh,                                  (__) 
IKEA US Services                                  (oo)   Just say Moo
Plymouth Commons, Plymouth Mtg., PA 19462          \/
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: author@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus x2331)
Subject: Re: FORMULA ===> WHOLE MILK
Reply-To: author@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus x2331)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.174139.11423@cbnewse.cb.att.com> statar@cbnewse.cb.att.com (sherry.l.tatar) writes:
> From article <1992Apr07.181221.18990@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, by maw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELE A. WHITE):
> > 
> > 
> > What is the best age to switch from formula to whole milk?  Drug companies say
> > one year, some of the books I have read say 6 months.  The doctor says formula
> > provides the iron babies need for the first year and that it will prevent
> > anemia, but I should do what I feel comfortable doing...

I believe the more recent data says to keep baby on breastmilk or formula
for first year for the iron reasons you mention. As I recall when my now
2 year old was about 6 months old, the American Academy of Pediatrics changed
their opinion from 9 months to 12 months. This would account for the
discrepancy in your books, which are probably a little out of date.

Milk is certainly SAFE at an earlier age. They are more concerned about the
iron intake being reduced where they have found more of a connection between
anemia and loss of intelligence.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Phases of life (was Re: Working full-time...)
Reply-To: staffan@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:07:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.013349.901767@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>I'm not sure if this is really Buddhism or not, but I learned it as such in
>a comparative religion class and am quoting after a filter of about 15 years.
>But I've always liked it.  The idea is to view your life in 20 year chunks
>and focus on the purpose of the 20 years at hand.  I believe it goes something
>like this:
>
>0-20	Your job is to learn
>20-40	Raise your family
>40-60	Contribute to society
>60-80	Meditate on God

I don't really like this.  I can buy the first chunk, but after that I don't
think that the boundaries are clear.  I agree that while you are raising a 
family, they should take first priority, but except for extreme circumstances
I wouldn't expect that to be at the expense of the other items on the list
(and others not specified).  I think from early in the childrens' lives they
should be exposed to, and participate in, the other things.  Religion, 
community service, etc., can all be family activities.  Now I guess it's
not really implied that one should focus on these activities at the expense
of others, but I know that some people forget to stop and smell the roses
along the way if they are _too_ focused...

Ken
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education