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From: mark@bristol.com (Mark)
Subject: Info on HyTime, DSSSL?
Organization: Bristol Technology Inc., Ridgefield, CT, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:32:00 GMT


   Does anyone know of some good sources of information
on the HyTime and DSSSL standards?  I am currently 
working on a project which involves processing an SGML
document, and am researching the best way to specify
such things as format and application specific information.
The goal is to allow the author to use their own DTD
with as little modification as possible.

   My current plan is to require a core set of attributes
which would be used by the processor to identify element
types.  The format information would be maintained in 
a style sheet which would be merged with the document
during parsing.

   I have been told that the HyTime and DSSSL standards
are very relevent to this project.  Any information
on these standards, or suggestions on how to best
achieve my goal would be much appreciated.

                          -Mark LoSacco
			  mark@bristol.com


Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: CGM and SGML
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:15:17 GMT

Can anyone tell me if and what happens if an SGML imports a CGM graphic.
Can it still be editited, at least in theory. Also, could someone tell me
the relationship, if any, between ODA and SGML.  Thanks.
 
Robert B. Shain                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG
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Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: Erik Naggum <SGML@ifi.uio.no>
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:14:54 +0100
Subject: Re: CGM and SGML

[Robert B. Shain]
:
|   Can anyone tell me if and what happens if an SGML imports a CGM graphic.
|   Can it still be editited, at least in theory.

I don't really understand what you're asking about, so let me make a couple
stabs in the dark.  If I miss, please let me know.

SGML is a language, not a piece of software, so SGML as such doesn't import
CGM files.  However, SGML qua language has the ability to make a reference
to something and say that "this is in a special notation called CGM,
defined in so-and-so standard", so that an SGML implementation that
supports notations and supports the CGM notation may know what to do with
it.  The SGML document that contains a reference to the CGM file and
notation information about it (and thus effectively "imports" it), will
still be the human-readable, editable text file it was before the CGM file
was referenced.

Note also that CGM files come in three coding flavors: binary, character,
and "clear text".  The clear text files are certainly editable.

Hope this helps, anyway.

|   Also, could someone tell me the relationship, if any, between ODA and
|   SGML.  Thanks.

I don't think I want to do that just now.  Sorry.

Best regards,
</Erik>
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From: drmacro@ralvm13.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 11:51:46 EST
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: FrameBuilder
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
            <1993Jan14.194453.20233@informix.com>

In <1993Jan14.194453.20233@informix.com> Robert Hartman writes:
...
>Perhaps, but I'll settle for a flat ASCII representation with standardized
>tags, and a strict separation of formatting information from content.
>It's simpler.  It will do.  But even with this simple architecture, look
>how long and difficult the process has been to deveop a standard!
>
>There are hordes of utilities of all kinds that already accept and
>operate on files with the proposed SGML text format.  What you may gain
>in response-time using a binary format, you lose in interoperability on
>the fly.  Binary representations are by no means an unqualified win.

I wanted to register my agreement with Mr. Hartman.  Viewing the use
of SGML as *only* an interchange form between authoring systems
that "hide the tags" is a shortsighted view.  My own view is that
high-function editing of SGML, compared to other tasks that having
a standardized, human-readable language for structuring text enables,
offers the smallest total benefit in author productivity, viewed over
the total set of tasks and problems faced.  Not to
say that authoring isn't important, but that it isn't the only thing,
and that having a nice editor does not solve the most costly problems
in large enterprise information development, such as supporting
multiple output forms, data interchange on a wide scale, standardization
of presentation styles, preservation of investment in data, and
so on.

Eliot Kimber                      Internet:  drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com
Dept E14/B500                     IBMMAIL:   USIB2DK9@IBMMAIL
Network Programs Information Development     Phone: 1-919-543-7091
IBM Corporation
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
From: hajagos@frame.com (Lani Hajagos)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: More FrameBuilder and SGML
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:44:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article 1879@gmd.de, thomas@gmd.de asks "Are you claiming that there
is a one-to-one mapping between FrameBuilder documents and SGML
documents?   Or only that some (or even most) SGML documents can be
mapped into FrameBuilder, and vice versa?

I don't believe that any SGML product on the market currently supports
100% of of ISO 8879, so I certainly won't make the claim for
FrameBuilder. FrameBuilder represents the SGML entity structure of a
document without using SGML syntax. There are several SGML constructs
which have no direct correspondence in FrameBuilder:

- I mentioned attributes in my previous message. These can be mapped
into several different FrameBuilder structures, depending on their
intended usage. There is no concept of current or content reference
attributes, however.

- FrameBuilder has no direct analog to the SGML entity structure.
FrameBuilder's Book handles documents divided into multiple files,
although each document in the Book must be a complete element, and
books cannot be nested.

- FrameBuilder does not support SGML's optional LINK and CONCUR features.

SGML documents using syntax-specific SGML constructs such as markup
minimization or CDATA and RCDATA marked sections can be imported into
or exported out of FrameBuilder fairly easily. These constructs are
irrelvant to the FrameBuilder model, however, and have no counterpart
within FrameBuilder.

FrameBuilder does have a construct analogous to INCLUDE, IGNORE, and TEMP
marked sections. This construct, called Conditional Text, however,
does not support spanning partial elements.

Since FrameBuilder is an application for formatting structured
documents as well as an editor for manipulating them, the question of
whether FrameBuilder supports all possible SGML structures is less
meaningful than whether it supports them in the intended way. Because
the conceivable applications are unlimited, SGML was deliberately
defined so that no one system could do so.

For example, while FrameBuilder recognizes graphics in many file
formats, thereby supporting several data content notations, it
certainly does not recognize every possible graphics format. As another
example, tables can be represented in many ways in SGML. Of course the
possible element structures can be represented as element structures
within FrameBuilder. What is wanted, though, is a representation within
the rich table facility that FrameBuilder inherits from FrameMaker.
Very little programming is required to move the SGML tables we have
seen at Frame to and from the FrameBuilder table mechanism.  In its
initial release, FrameBuilder internally supports elements that
correspond to entire tables and allows table cells to contain
hierarchies of elements.  There are no elements for table rows or
columns, however, and there is no content model defining the order in
which particular types of cells are expected to occur.

I hope this answers your questions.



Newsgroups: comp.text
From: gsv@iat.holonet.net (Gregory S. Vaughan)
Subject: British SETM
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:59:11 GMT

Looking for information on the British Standard Method for Specifying
Electronic Typographic Markup (SETM) - has this been published ? Are
there any systems that implement it (preferably DOS/Windows) ?
From: fan@tammy.cath.puh.upmc.edu (Ningping Fan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: XView: How to setup list_item?
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:04:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tammy.FAN.93Jan23210450
Distribution: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: School of Medicine, Univ. of Pittsburgh, USA

Hello, I am using ADD_STRING attribute in list_item to update its contents.
The problem is that this process is displayed on the screen so that the
screen flashes until all the items have been added. Does anyone know
how to (1) hide the process from display until it is finished then dump
the new list_item on to the screen; (2) use ADD_STRINGS attribute to
creat a list_item with variable number of list strings? (The standard
ADD_STRINGS, str1, str2, NULL, does not work because the number of strings
can only be determined at running time).

Thanks any help.
  
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: bd4r@virginia.edu (Ben Dorman)
Subject: Changing Icon labels in OW(3)
Reply-To: bd4r@virginia.edu
Organization: University of Virginia Astronomy Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:30:18 GMT

Excuse the probable FAQ, but can someone tell me the control sequence necessary
to change the icon label, analogous to <ESC>]l used for the window title?

Thanks -- 

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University of Virginia,
P.O. Box 3818 University Station
Charlottesville, Virginia
U.S.A. 22903-0818

Tel: (804)-924-4899
FAX:          -3104

Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:5134 comp.sys.sun.misc:6456
From: devil@HellNet.org (Gil Tene)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: OW3 "Move pointer" based focus problems.
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:21:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: Diablery, cloud seven, Hell. (also 10A Inc.)

Using OW3/olwm on a 16MB SLC has long given me a problem with the 
focus missing the right window at times. This happens when the system
is doing something (like swapping, which it does quite often) and
I move the mouse to a different window at the same time. I find that
I have to make sure the focus is in the window I meant it to be in,
or I will often miss the right window and type into a different
one. 

I was amazed to see the same behaviour on a new 16MB LX running
Solaris 2.1 and the OW3.x that comes with it! I would expect such
a serious bug would be fixed by now.

Anyone out there know of a way to bypass this behaviour, other than
adding memory to the machine? This is definitely NOT acceptable
behaviour for the focus, and it seems that you cannot do reliable
follow-mouse focus in OW3/olwm as it is shipped from Sun...

Any tips appreciated,

-- Gil.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject:  HELP: server connection
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:11:00 GMT

I am currently running Open Windows server from the network 
(let's call it machine N). Let's call my machine machine A.
We got recently a SparcStation 10 (lets's call it machine B)
which stands in our room.
On machine B, Open Windows has been installed on a local
disk. I suppose it would be faster for me if I run
OpenWindows from machine B than from our network machine N.
Is it so?
If so, then I think I have two possibilities and I would like
to know how to do it.
First: do not run the server on my machine and just
use the server on machine B and just display on my
machine. How do I have to do it? I mean, what parameters do I
have to set (DISPLAY etc.).
Second: run the server on my machine. Then I would like to
start the server from machine B, and not from machine N. How to
do it?

Also, If You think that this configuration can be improved?

Jacek



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From: km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Sparcworks Freezes Display
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:15:58 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: km@mathcs.emory.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: km-sl.cc.emory.edu

When I try to run sparcworks, after a few seconds and before the first
popup, my entire display freezes. Only a remote kill of sparcworks
free's it up.

I am running Sparcworks on Solaris2, but it freezes both Solaris2 OW3
and Solaris 1.X OW3 displays. Oddly, even stop-alt-delete wont kill the
server when it freezes this way (if OW3 is started with the escape
option).

Some users at our site get this behavior and others have no problems.

Any ideas?

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: kjmiller@mitre.org (Kevin Miller)
Subject: Accessing OPENLOOK from MacX
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:03:27 GMT

I've been trying to access a SPARCStation 2 running OPENLOOK from a Mac
IIci using MacX and have had no success.  Is this do-able?  Has anyone out
there done it?  If so, could you please let me know the proper setup and
command to run to do this?  Please respond via email 'cause I don't read
this newsgroup regularly.  Thanks!!

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From: mikell@cactus.org (Mikell Vanderlaan)
Subject: TextField Is It?
Keywords: OLIT, TextField
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:50:07 GMT

	How can I create this function?
Boolean IsTextField(Widget)
{

	if(check_to_make_sure_that_widget_is_a_TEXTFIELD )
		return(TRUE);
	else
		return(FALSE);
}
	Is there a way to do this?

mikell@cactus.org

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From: ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Weird XView 3.0 XV_KEY_DATA problem
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:27:48 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hi All,
	came across a weird problem with XView 3.0 today. I created a canvas as
a child of a frame and attached 11 items to it's paint window using
XV_KEY_DATA. This worked fine with XView 2.0 but crashed under version 3.0.
The cause seemed was an xv_get(window,XV_KEY_DATA,5) instruction which should
have returned NULL because that item had not yet been set. I tried setting the 
item in advance - now the thing crashed just after the start of the xv main
loop. After many hours poring over manuals and wracking my brains for possible 
causes I tried changing the 5 to a 23. It worked!

	What I'd like to know is why? Is it a mistake in my code (there are 
definitely no other items with this number) or is there an instruction in XView
3.0 like "if key==5 then crash" :-) If anyone has any ideas I'd like to know...

			thanks in advance,

			Colm Toomey

			ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Unwanted form feed, how do I ditch it?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:58:39 GMT

Hi there,
  If this is not the correct group please let me know.  I have this SPARC10,
PC-NFSed to a Windows PC.  When I print a document on the PC (via the sparc
to an HP Laser III+ I get a blank page on the end of the print job.  The
PC is adding a final form feed and so is the SPARCs (running open windows
3.something - NB I can"t RTFM since it"s in Swedish!).  Can anyone tell me
how to get the SPARCs to not go off half cocked like this?
Thanks in advance, please post replies to hurd_p@zoologi.su.se, as I"m
having a satanic time reading posts on this machine from where I am.
-P.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: SCROLLBAR_OVERSCROLL
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:45:59 GMT

johnc@crsa.bu.edu (John Collins) writes:
> I noticed a scrollbar attribute in <xview/scrollbar.h> called
> SCROLLBAR_OVERSCROLL.  But I can find no reference to it in ORA vol.7.

In the scrollbar package it is commented as "defunct" and
"only here for binary compat" (scrollbar/sb_set.c).
It is not otherwise used, and does nothing, as far as I can tell.

>And incidentally, are there any XView books in existence besides
>O'Reilley Associates ?

Not that I know of.  At least, not yet.

Do note that the latest Vol 7 is in two parts, one fat and light green,
the other thin and blue.  The latter `Companion to Volume 7' lists
all of the public attributes and functions.

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: webster@bnr.ca (Brent Webster)
Subject: Run-time only version of OW3
Reply-To: webster@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:35:10 GMT

Due to a shortage of disk space, I was forced into deleting
some of the "baggage" which comes with Openwin3.0 .  I've been
careful in deleting and retesting the OW environment by removing
various *.c, *.h, help files. *.Z, etc files.  I'm down from
70Megs to 58Megs but I want more!!

I don't want to compile any OW applications on these machines, only
execute the applications so I need some info on these particular
file types:

openwin3.0/lib/*.a		these archive files are only need during
				compile/link or are they used during
				dynamic linking?

openwin3.0/lib/fonts/*		What about all these different font files?

openwin3.0/share/etc/NeWS/tnt/*.ps	postscript fragments or what ???

openwin3.0/share/src/fonts/*/*.bdf	What's a .bdf file?

Any deletion recommendations?  My SS2 will have the full blown version
of OW3 but the remaining SS1s and SS2s only need the minimal OW3 system.

Any help would be appreciate.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: kalt@nmsu.edu (Kerry Alt)
Subject: xview color chooser
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: comp.windows.open-look
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:50:06 GMT


In using the color chooser that comes with devguide, I'd like the
initial color choice to be visible in the scrolling list. It is
visible after it has been brought up once, but is buried if the
initial color isn't in the first few rows. Anyone know how to get this
to work? 

Thanks,

Kerry
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:5160 comp.unix.solaris:497
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Error starting OpenWindows 3.1 under Solaris 2.1
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:47:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>That banner is just a bit too much. :-)

Yeah, I expect the machine to play a sound file of Joel Grey singing
every time it comes up. :-)
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:5159 comp.windows.x.apps:1881
From: cs89ssg@brunel.ac.uk (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Re: Icon dock (especially for olvwm)?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:02:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x.apps
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Larry W. Virden (lwv26@cas.org) wrote:

: Anyone know of a stand alone icon doc application - particularly one that
: will talk to olvwm?  I would like to find a way to get my icons to stay
: in one smaller area rather than getting placed all over or under the other
: windows that I have.

Not sure if its the thing you want, but xdtm is a file manager for X 
which is pretty good. Its a bugger to compile, but when you do its great.
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