From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Missionizing (sic) to 2-y-o
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:14:23 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

           ** Submitted for Bruce Benning by Bruce Tiffany **
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>From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
>Date: 25 Aug 1992 16:29:23 -0500
>
>
  (Robert A. Levene) asks:
>Are you seriously suggesting that shunning grown children is somehow
>worse than making death threats against pre-schoolers?  If not, then
>please clarify what you meant.
>R
  IF you check my original post on this topic Rob, You will see I said
  they are equal. Here are my observations (FWTW). :--)

  1) There were no death threats made to Rob Strom's children that
     I was aware of.
     We are talking about frightening pre-school  kids. There was no
     mention until now of death threats. Do you think I am wrong, as a
     parent, if I frighten my children by telling them that if they don't
     look before crossing the street, they will be killed? Am I wrong
     in telling my children to run home if Jimmy pulls out his fathers
     pistol to play with, because you could get shot and die? In these
     examples, I have given my children fair warning that if a certain
     action takes place, they may/will DIE. That is the case with all
     who reject Yeshua. All who seek another way of salvation other
     than the one God implemented (FAITH IN Yeshua) will die.

   2) However in shunning of children who believe in Yeshua, there IS
      the drama of death, with the sitting of shiva, and the parents
      acting as though their children are dead. This action, as with
      all acts of anger, do more to harm the parent then the child.
      The parent must live the lie that their child is dead, and to
      what end? So that the child might deny the truth of a relationship
      with HaShem. This causes even more damage to the parent, who has
      rejected God, even to the point of forgetting the child.
      Maybe my bias is protruding, but it seems that the guilt of the
      parent shunning a child for receiving Messiah into their heart
      is the greater crime.

    3) There are those who get a thrill out of frightening children.
       I mean really frighten them. This includes the whole gambit of
       horrors. Here in Cleveland, we have many missing children who
       HAVE BEEN abducted by creeps who target children, and then do
       despicable things to them like torture, rape...In fact I find
       every city in America has this problem. Do you equate these
       actions with me EXPLAINING to my children that Salvation is found
       in Yeshua ALONE?

     4) Finally...I believe that all wrong doing is sin, and that if
        I or you keep the whole law and then break one of God's law's
        we are then law breakers, worthy of punishment. I don't believe
        we can truly weigh "SINS" on a human scale and determine which
        are better that others. That brings God's standards down to our
        level. We must understand that it is man who must strive to
        reach God's standard. At least that is what I've read in
        Scripture.

     Bruce Benning __________ benning@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

       -------------Religion may inform and reform-------------
       ----------but only Messiah Jesus can Transform----------

     Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do
     what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what
     it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and,
     after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what
     he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect
     law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting
     what he has heard, but doing it--he will be blessed in what he
     does. -James 1:22-25