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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:11:00 CDT
From:         Daniel Henry <DHENRY@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 'in the news...'

from MGARBER:
> better disasters than no infomration at all. I was in the former SU when all
>  kinds of things were going on of which we had a faint sense. Ask them and the
>  said, everything's fine. No probelm. Now I carry short wave everywhere in the
>  world

 ... shortwave ...  now *there's* an idea ...   :)

Dan Henry               __o
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:33:27 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE:

I hope The elections turn a good result im USA as well as those in middle east
because I think most Arabs are fed up of US playing Double Role inn Middle
East..


Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:02:00 CDT
From:         Daniel Henry <DHENRY@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      ... international news perspectives

CNN also does a fairly good job of delivering "world news" (news reports
originating from international sources, usually narrated by the original
international correspondents rather than regurgitated by American
GlamAnchors ) I like the insight on the way styles differ in reporting
the news...
   you can also catch news *about* Europe and european issues on
European Journal on some PBS stations...

always looking for good sources of international news...
Dan Henry               __o
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:51:10 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Hola Amigos

Hola Gus:

Gracias por tu mensaje. Como le va? Tus padres son de Mexico? SI
quieres escribirme en privado, escribe a:

Ugactz@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
/ Maria Elena
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:56:33 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Identity

Monica,

I just pointed out a difference....that America allows one to fail....
and on an individual level, I personally benefited from that
realization....

I did not mean to say that this is the desired system for any country...
including America....  It is something that exists in this culture, period.
Good or bad is a personal judgement....  and regardless of whether we like
it or not, we cannot change it....

I am constantly hearing this discussion from relatively new international
students and faculty....always comparing values held in one culture and
society with those values they perceive in America.....  Its an exercise
in futility...like comparing Apples with Oranges....

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:16:00 EST
From:         Joe Morris <IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: USA or United Nations

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:06:41 -0400
From: AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET

> ....if at the end of the republican convention this week, the polls
> still show Bush behind, I would bet we will get into militiary action
> and drop some bombs on Iraq....

Zahir,

I hope you're wrong!  I think many people are aware of the Iraq situation
and Bushs' re-election campaign.  It may besome rather interesting on these
issues.  On one hand, there are people waiting in the wings to attack Bush
if he tries to implement US forces again.  They would easily turn it around
to make it look like Bush is making a campaign move.

On the other side, assistance may indeed be needed where Bush would have to
deploy troops (for whatever reason).  As much as I hate Bush, I can see
that he is in a tough situation.  WE can only hope that he will act in the
worlds best interest rather than be influenced by his campaign.

It still "urks" me to know that people still have that kind of trust in
people like you show, Zahir.  Not pointing the finger at you--just that he
concept of that being a reality is a bit scary.

Joe Morris, undergraduate & Assoc. Data Analyst in Raleigh, NC
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:00:00 EST
From:         Joe Morris <IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Voting

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:58:50 EST
From: Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>

> Emmy,
>      Abortion is precisely one of the issue on which I differ with Clinton,
> however, I don't think that this list is the place to begin a discussion on
> abortion.

Deborah,

Please don't be so quick to judge what should and shouldn't be discussed.

I believe it would be interesting to hear other peoples viewpoints.
However, we all must be careful that it does not become the focus of a
hot issue already present in the USA.

In other words, the issue could become inappropriate to the point we wish
we took your advice, Deborah. :-)  But let's not shut it out, not yet.  I
understand your concerns.  Let's hear everyone our first.

Joe Morris, undergraduate & Assoc. Data Analyst in Raleigh, NC
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:42:59 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Humor Break

Cannot identify who sent the "Humor Break" but it is excellent....
Can I use it in our newsletter????

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 06:59:19 CDT
From:         Monica <IC22@UNTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: National Identity
              11 Aug 1992 14:01:39 -0700 from <BELLM3084@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU>

Gus:
You have nailed the issue on the head.  It is a question of how a person
accept the changes and challenges that life throws at him.  However, Zahir
is right when he says one never completely loses his national identity.  I do
believe that this 'national identity' is the one that is dominant when growing
up.  The values one learnt then never go away although they may be modified.
Growing up in a multicultural environment (as I did) can sometimes be
confusing for a growing child or teenage.  I remember going through phases of
rejecting the Chinese in me, glorifying the English in me, then going through
the whole reverse process.  Eventually, I was old enough to realize that
perhaps it does not matter which race or nation I belong to.  What matters is
that I accept who I am and I am a product of my environment.

I do not get angry with narrow-minded people.  I am sorry that they cannot
perceive the benefits and fun of living in a multicultural world.
Congratulations on your achievement.  I was a late comer to the academic
world too and will be 45 before I graduate.  This is one of the best
thing about the U.S. - you are never too old to go to school and everyone
think it is a right.

In many Asian countries, education is a privilege, especially higher
education.  Only the top 10% or 15% get a chance to go to college.
This is sad because I think education is the only way we can obtain better
understanding of our world.
Monica Holmes
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:44:10 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Incommunicado

Deborah,

I don't know if Gus is joking...sorry you missed a day, but I don't know
that anybody "raked you and Nikos over the coals" as Gus says.  I guess
some get defensive when they hear criticism about some American values and I sup
   pose
some feel upset that you, An American is so much in love with Nikos and
things Greek...and seem to be putting down American men.

You did not miss anything major...

zahir
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:46:50 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Voting

 Deborah, Zahir,

 I hope you don't mean not voting at all.  Voting, as I'm sure you know, is more
 than filling positions in Washington, it's also local races and school board
 races and local bond issues.  In some areas, there are important questions on
 the ballot that the people are asked to answer.

 Again, this is just me (and I'm not trying to represent myself as speaking for
 anybody other that myself) I was taught that voting was a responsibility of
 citizenship.

 I will admit it, I have voted to vote against a candidate rather that for
 another.  I didn't feel the best about it, but I felt like it was my duty to
 vote.

 Joyce,

 Your humor piece was outstanding!
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:21:06 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Voting

Emmy,

Thanks....  We all follow our conscience....and mine does not allow me
to participate in what I think are meaningless activities.... I would
vote in a true democracy....but this is a corporate dictatorship..

To each his own....  Though I wouldn't label you as confused because you
do not arrive at the same conclusions I do....  I think you are dedicated, intel
   ligent and conscientous.

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:18:23 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      SOMALIA/BOSNIA

Hi,
   I'm another "old-timer" who's been lurking for some time. As some of
you newer subscribers may not know, I was teaching a course in cross-
 cultural communication at Penn State for which I originally began
XCULT-L (it's now in Oliver's _very_ able hands) till recently when
I left Penn State for more activist pastures at The Carter Center.

 A dilemma that is facing many of us concerns UN intervention in
Bosnia and not Somalia.  The UN Security Council is reviewing possible
military action in Bosnia to stop the "ethnic cleansing" and terror that
is taking place there.  Somalia, in the meantime, is one of the worst
cases in the world and the UN and most of the West is relatively
passive with respect to the horrors there (we get newspaper coverage,
and occasional glimpses of starving children on TV, but what action?).
As many of you probably read, Sec-Gen. Boutros Boutros Ghali decried
the neglect of Somalia saying that it got less assistance because
Somalis were Africans and of less concern to the world than white
folks in Europe. According to Save the Children in Mogadishu, if
50% of the food gets through, it's a success. Save the Children
has hired security guards to protect food transport w/in the country,
but looting continues, even by the security guards who can sell
the food for lots of money. (This is from the _Atlanta Constitution_
either this morning or yesterday.) Estimates are at least 30,000 have
died in Somalia (about 10,000 more than in Bosnia to date) with
the  next generation intellectually impaired from
food and water deprivation. One estimate I saw said that probably
the next 2 generations would be affected by the drought and consequences
of war.

  Dilemma:  both Bosnia and Somalia are in dire need of assistance.
In the case of Bosnia, it looks like some action will be taken. What
actions can/should we as world citizens take to get some action on
Somalia?  Or should we?

  Hope this isn't an unwelcome interruption to the ongoing discussion,
which has been fun to follow.

Joyce
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Date: 18 Aug 92 13:24:55 GMT
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Believe me, the way some of these conversations go..I don't think it'd
be a good idea to begin talking about abortion here either...but my
point is, if you have a feelign about soem other issue where the
candidates hold opposing views, it IS important that you vote, isn;t
it? ?Emmy
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:45:25 -0400
From:         Janet Sutherland
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Subject:      Re: 'in the news...'

If it is any comfort--or if it can provide a different angle
of vision, the German press tends to treat disasters and sports
events pretty much the way the American press does--but from
a German point of view.  Thus, I learned from German coverage
about the number of German casualties in the air crash in Nepal
last month, and from American coverage about the number of American
casualties.  Perhaps one has to read the newspapers to find more
detailed accounts.

Similarly, the German Olympic coverage on TV didn't have
much to say about American performances--or those of athletes
from other countries, for that matter--except in the case of
truly spectacular performances or where German athletes were
also involved.

Last summer, when I was in Seattle visiting my parents, I found
Japanese news programs on TV--late at night, but definitely
available to American audiences.  German TV is also showing
increased interest in Japan--both in terms of current events
and stock and financial markets AND in terms of culture.
There have been quite a number of Japanese films and documen-
taries shown in the past year or two.  The interest German
media show in "the world out there" is definitely greater
than that evidenced by American commercial networks, both in
terms of quantity and in terms of quality.  PBS, however, does
some fine work, and surely has the talent available to do even
more if they ever find themselves on the receiving end of a
reasonable-sized supply of money.

As technology makes it possible to receive broadcasts from all
over the world, maybe the limits to our media horizons will truly
be those we impose on ourselves.  <ok, who's next on the soap-box?>

Jan Sutherland  sutherland@vax1.informatik.fh-regensburg.dbp.de
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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: National Identity
Reply-To: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:00:27 GMT


In a previous article, AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET () says:

>You mention that in some of these other countries, including
>Greece and India and UK, American TV programs are broadcasted...and
>you ask why the programs from Greece or India are not broadcast here..
	Actually, in some large market areas, they *are* broadcast.  I've
seen shows from India, some Latin American countries, and even Poland.  Some
were on PBS, but most were on a local low-power station that broadcasts mainly
in Spanish.  There are large numbers of people in this area who speak it as
a first language.   There are radio broadcasts in Italian [Top 40] and 
Russian as well.  But, Hartford is one of the top 25 television markets in
the country.  A smaller market would not have this sort of thing.
>
>Second, its the nature of TV.  On PBS, one occassionally sees programs
>on Greece or India or Africa...  All the other TV's will show programs
>that appeal to a variety of people....Nielsen Numbers....  If any of
>the programs on PBS (of other countries) draws a larger audience than
>the networks, the networks will find the other countries...
One PBS series did outdraw at least one network, but that was an isolated 
case.  Most PBS shows don't even register on the ratings scale.   The ones
that do are mainly Saturday afternoon cooking shows and British sitcoms.


>
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From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Peace and Personal Attacks
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I have been watching some interesting discussions regarding censorship on the
 Anthro-L list. And I am curious a. what tones have been objectionable b. what
 stronger measures would be taken.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:45:27 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Russian Women

 Received the following excerpt of a letter from RUSSIA-L.  Thought this
 might be an item of interest and possibly generate some discussion.  The
 paragraph was excerpted from a letter that a guy on that list received from
 a Russian woman.

 "In the former USSR March 8 was considered the women's holiday.  For the
 present it is continued to be celebrated.  I sneerfully regard the holiday
 on March 8 as a mockery.  Because in our land a woman is a workhorse who
 works two shifts every day, at work and at home.  She was given one day
 of holiday out of each year of hard labor, so that she doesn't forget
 she is a woman.  However the holiday never brings any real attention to
 women's problems.  Women are unable to find time even for their own
 children's upbringing.  That is why one can see so few friendly female
 faces here.  When we return from work, stand in the lines, go by bus to
 home, most women are irritated, tired and ready to argue with neighbors
 at the slightest aggravation.  Only the girls are beautiful and nice,
 because the weight of the numerous difficulties has not yet settled on
 them.  Most women here haven't the time to care for their physical
 appearance, face and figure.  Therefore there are so many beautiful girls
 and so many ugly women."

 And at the other end of the spectrum, you have the US where so much
 emphasis and pressure is put on women to look a certain way.  Now they
 are finding out that the so called ideal figure to have is not so healthy
 for women after all.

 Deborah
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:52:12 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: SOMALIA/BOSNIA
              13 Aug 1992 07:47:48 -0700 from <MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Thanks for your note. Sorry it's taken me so long to reply.
Let me know what you'd be interested in about the Carter Center
and I'll do my best.

Cheers,
Joyce Neu

p.s.  am originally from the Redondo Beach area--did my Ph.D. at USC.
      Have also been e-mail "buddies" with Oliver Seely, a biology
     prof. at CSU-Dominguez Hills. Do you know him?  He now runs the
     XCULT-L discussion group that I created while I was teaching at
     at Penn State.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:22:07 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Somalia/Bosnia

  Talking about Somalia/Bosnia with a colleague today, we agreed that
perhaps one reason for more US/UN (controlled largely by white western
countries) involvement in Bosnia was that pictures of starving white
people behind barbed wire brings back memories of WWII concentration
camps while pictures of starving black people with flies on the
eyes of the babies reminds us of other pictures of starving black
people (Ethiopia, for example) but does not have any visceral
connection to our parents, our grandparents, the families of
friends, etc.  It is also very true that there are far more Yugoslavian
Americans than there are Somali Americans if only because most African
Americans cannot know which country their families were originally from.
So there are more Yugoslavian ex-pats and Yugoslavian Americans to call
attention to their plight than there are Somali ex-pats or Somali
Americans.

    Whoever posted fax #s for Boutros Ghali and Baker, thank you.
I did not have a name on that message.

Joyce


     p.s.  Phil, I hope you were tongue in cheek with your comment
about why Americans should care about these issues.  If not, I don't
don't understand your interest in XCULT-L.
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Subject:      Re: National Identity
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those values have real benefits, but I don't know about fewer problems. Just
 they are handled differently, and not always to the happiness of the people
 involved. I read lots of ASian, Africn, Indian literature, and see lots of
 human problems  Marilyn
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:46:35 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voting

Voting:

What about issues like "abortion" that are on the line with this
election?? DOn't you have an opinion that matters abouut this issue? Or
don't you care about issues that are at stake here? Voting for Bush or
Clinto n is some instances on some issues, will make a difference.

/EMmmy
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From:         "AUGUSTINE F. DURAN" <BELLM3084@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Incommunicado
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Deborah,
It's probably better that you were incommunicado.  Everyone has raked you and
Nikos over the coals.  They can't believe what it is you have been saying.
Of course I defended you to the last ounce of my being.  If at all possible I
would resend those letters, but alas, I am sorry, I cannot retrieve them.
A wish for you in Spanish - "Te deseo Amor, pesetas y el tiempo para gastarlos"
The last line I truly mean, the preceding lines were obviously a joke.
Gus Duran - Montebello, California - adjacent to the City of the Angels.