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From:         GLDBRGJO@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Seeking installation advice
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Another way to keep NB3 accesible if you don't want to take up hard drive space
with it is to use a compression program like LHA or PKZip to archive your NB3
directory.  Store the archive on a floppy, and if you need something from
NB3, or want to use it for something, you can simply decompress one file from th
   e
archive (sorry), or have your whole NB3 setup back without reinstalling from
the distribution disks.  I guess I've been lucky.  So far I haven't touched
NB3 since archiving it and moving it to floppy, nor have I needed it for
anything.  OF course, unlike many on this list I hadn't yet customized
much of it either, since I only had it for a year, and didn't have a lot of
time to play with it in that year.

Yechiel Goldberg
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From:         Moshe Taube <MAXUS@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      Printing extended cyrillic
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The Steve Siebert Himself called me up today, saying that indeed, in NB4/Lingua
 I could only get printed characters that were available with NB3/SLS. Now that
is far from satisfactory, as this font lacks some basic characters of Old Churc
h Slavic (e.g. jus malyj).
He said he was willing to help, if I could find anyone who had a non-scalable
bit-mapped Full Cyrillic font (including OCS) for HP laser printers, then NBI
would like to license it and to write drivers for it to be operated from within
Lingua. Does anyone out there have a font that qualifies? or know someone who d
oes? Are Mac fonts convertible for that purpose?
                Any info would be appreciated
                                      Moshe Taube
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Subject:      RE: Non-NB: Computers in Humanities
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If you find out, could you let me know?  (If this is the organization
I heard of some while before I had email, and is run by Elia/Ilya
Zurick, it was recommended;but I think it wasn't corporate then.  If so
the person who will know is Eric Tanenbaum, ESRC Survey Archive, Essex
University, tanenbaum@uk.ac.essex.
Judy Evans  Politics  University of York England  jae2@uk.ac.york
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From:         ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN <rar@TITAN.UCC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Seeking installation advice
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              93 3:03 pm

I am only now getting around to installing NB 4.0 (with Lingua,
Ibid, etc.).  My inclination is to install it in drive D while
leaving NB 3.1 + SLS still functioning on drive C.  I would
appreciate any advice on how best to do this.  (I'm working on
a Leading Edge Model D, but with the original 30 Mb hard disk
replaced with a 65 Mb one partitioned into two drives.  I have
nothing fancier than MS-DOS 5.0 on the machine.)

Bob Rothstein
University of Massachusetts
RAR@titan.ucc.umass.edu
From: BINKLEY@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL (Peter Binkley)
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Date: 6 Jan 93 17:29:18 GMT
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Here's something that may help.  The most recent UU encoded file from
Frederik Pedersen (hi Frederik!) wouldn't decode for me.  I looked at
it in NB and noticed that it contained lower-case e-circumflexes.
This looked like the sort of substitution our mailer makes for
unwelcome characters.  So, I checked to see what lower-ASCII
characters were _not_ in the file: these turned out to be the upright
line, the circumflex, and the tilde.  Replacing the e-circumflexes
with each of these in turn revealed that the circumflex is the
correct character: with circumflexes in place, the file decodes.

No doubt everyone's system is doing different things to these files,
but the method might work: look for upper-ascii characters and by a
process of elimination work out what lower-ascii characters they have
been substituted for.

Peter Binkley             binkley@let.rug.nl
COMERS: C_lassical, O_riental, Me_dieval, and R_enaissance S_tudies
Rijksuniversiteit Groningen
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:28:46 -0500
From:         "M. Roy Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      VGA to EGA font file
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Here's how I easily converted a 4096 VGA font to a 3584 font
file. This procedure should work for any of the 14 set that you
extract from NB4's NB.KBD file since NBI has designed the
characters to work with both EGA and VGA.

Remembering that my Trident VGA card can emulate EGA, I dug up
the utility for installing the EGA emulation and ran it. Using
EVAFONT, the EGA/VGA font editing program that I have previously
recommended here, I tried to load my 4096 byte VGA font file, but
 without success (a message that I had a "strange" VGA card). I
then reinstalled VGA, loaded the VGA font, and opened "Settings"
on the menu, changed the setting from "8x16 - VGA" to "8x14 -
EGA" and then saved it to a new name (selecting "Write to" on the
"File" menu). It produced what appears to me to be a standard
3584 EGA font which I will be able to install on the office
Epson.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:26:31 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      XPL pgms etc.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

If you have written an XPL pgm, routine, a doc about NB,
anything that can help other users with NB, please send it
also to me for inclusion in one of the archives. Otherwise,
it is difficult to trace in the long run. I am not always
able to do that instantly, but I'll do my best. Thanks.

Itamar E-Z

PS. I'd like to remind all of you that most archives are also
stored on simtel20's <msdos.notabene> and mirrors. If you
are in the US, or in Europe, you don't need to ftp from taunivm.
Use the taunivm address for ordering rather than for ftping.
(The best Europe address is nic.switch.ch, then cd /mirror/msdos/notabene)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:19:01 -0500
From:         "M. Roy Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      CTRL-Zs & gardening
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1) CTRL-Z: I've unintentionally deleted Tony Hirtenstein's plea
regarding the EOF markers (CTRL-Z). I would like to tell him that
Tony Woozley has written an XPL program that runs the utility
NOCZ.COM that Dorothy Day gave us. One saves the file on NB's
screen to disk, then runs the XPL program to remove the CTRL-Z.
(It may be that NOCZ would also delete any CTRL-Z embedded in a
longer file downloaded from your mailer -- I'm not sure.) Tony's
XPL program certainly facilitates the use of NOCZ. He also has,
if I recall correctly, an XPL program that will insert CRs and
LFs in the on-screen file. I have written a Turbo-Pascal program
to insert a CRLF in the first space after position 65 on a line
and also remove any CTRL-Z in a file. I can send it to you
privately in xx-encoded format if you like. It has the advantage
of being much faster than an XPL program and would certainly make
a difference in working on a 700K file.

2) Gardening: This has nothing to do with NB, but we have a fair
number of subscribers in the UK, one of whom may know the answer
to this gardening question.

There was a report on the radio this morning concerning some
newly discovered healthful properties of the purlane plant --
e.g., it's very high vitimin E content. Purslane is generally
considered a weed here in Virginia, ~but I visited a woman in
Broadstairs, England some years back who showed me the plant in
her kitchen garden and told me that it was excellent in salads.
The _OED_ says that it is also occasionally eaten as a potherb,
adding that it is not much grown nowadays. Does any of our
English readers know if an English seedsman offers an improved
garden variety of purslane?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:05:17 EST
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 to NB3
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Ian C. Jarvie writes:

> Is there a simple way to make NB4 files into NB3 files?

Yes, there is (as long as they are not Lingua files).  Look under the
Export option in the Files help menu.

Hopefully Lingua files will be included someday, although I don't have
any inside information about such plans.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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              OSB" at Jan 5,93 5:07 pm

J. P. Earls, OSB wrote........
>
>
> Mervyn--
> "oudjies" ???
>

Afrikaans casual - blokes, guys, chaps, fellows....  literally,
"little old ones" - to be utterly pompous!
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:48:16 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: default and UU/XX format
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Rip,
I believe Dorothy's glosses on NBCUSTOM.SET were sent
XXencoded, and that you should indeed have run an xxdecoder on
them. Many programs probably know a /xx switch.  When I first
encountered the problem, I simply logged on to the nearest
depository of public domain programs, and took the most
promising looking ARCHIVE program that started with XX.  It
contained two programs, xxencode and xxdecode. The encoded
messages have a header that normally reveals whether it is uu-
or xx-encoded -- I just look at pairs of either 'u' or 'x', and
then run either uudecode or xx_, and if that fails I run the
other (which then fails, too).
I have only a faint idea about the anatomy of the thing.  The
surface from my vantage point looks this: when an uuencoded
message crosses the border between the IBM mainframe world (NB
listserver) and the VMS/VAX world (which I get my mail to), it
gets corrupted.  XXencoded stuff seems to survive.  There have
been more learned explanation of these phenomena on this list,
but this might help for starters.
j-p takala
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From:         Rip Lhamon <wlhamon@GARNET.ACNS.FSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: default and UU/XX format
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In Message Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:15:10 IST, JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET writes:

>
>
>Could someone repost XXENCODED the latest word on NBCUSTOM.SET, please?
>UUencoded stuff routed via TAUNIVM does not come through to me
>(although directly mailed usually does).  I think I'm not the only one
>with this problem, that's why a public reposting may be in order.
>
>j-p takala

Here, Here!

As the person who first asked for help in identifying the codes in
nbcustom.set, I have been going steadily crazier for the past 2-3 weeks as
first Dorothy Day evidently provided the information and then people started
thanking her, then others started adding to the information.  I am still
unable to decode her message, or a similar one from Tony Woozley.  When I
run uudecode on them, I get a "short file" error message.  When I run
uuxfer20 on them, I get an error message in every line.  After repeated
off-list consultations with Tony and Dorothy, and endless consultations with
the mainframe locals, including a three hour visit in my office with one of
the people from the wryly-named "Computer Help Desk" on this campus, all to
no avail, I have been at wit's end.  One thinks it is one's own fault, and
of course there is much reason to believe this, in my case.  But, if it is
my fault, why can't the Comfuse Desk figure it out?  Which brings me back to
J. P. Takala's welcome message . . .

Can the problem be that I have been trying to uudecode and uuxfer these
messages when I should have been trying to xxdecode them?  Or that some
mainframe systems require xxencoded rather than uuencoded files if they are
not to corrupt them?

Can some one explain this?  Until these issues are settled, the information
that some of you are able to swap is not getting through to Tallahassee, and
it looks like Finland is in trouble, too.

Meanwhile, it helps to know that I'm not alone.
Rip Lhamon
wlhamon@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Joining
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For Andrew Hahn:

There are several of us on the list using Lingua (and Ibid.) under
OS/2.  Perhaps if you describe your problems we can offer some
suggestions.

The list is pretty much an open discussion forum.  Generally we try to
discuss subjects that may be of general interest on the forum itself
(by addressing the message to NOTABENE@TAUNIVM).  If at some point the
discussion becomes more personal and/or of less general interest then
we take it to direct contact between the persons involved.  Your
problem sounds like it is potentially of considerable interest to
several of us here, and I think it would be good to at least start
exploring it "in public", if you don't mind.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:35:45 EST
From:         Moshe Taube <MAXUS@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Cyrillic Printing problems
After several trials my  problem of printing cyrillic  can now be defined
as follows:
FF0 and FF3 do not yield any cyrillic at all. FF5 does print cyrillic, but only
 those characters that were available in the NB3 SLS fonts. Has anyone managed
to get in print all those new wonderful characters we see in Font tables. David
Birnbaum, if you're out there please reply.
I was using a HP Laserjet Series II.
                                    Moshe Taube
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: blodge
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              Dec30, 92 12:56 am

GLDBRGJO@EARN.NYUACF wrote........
>
>
> Now that we have all acknowledged receiving a blodge of mysterious e-mail
> I ask, is a blodge the younger cousin of a wodge, and does it only apply
> to mysterious e-mail?
> Yechiel Goldberg
>

Dunno what a blodge is. I got a wodge of such messages, though.

The fault for the emergence of this pseudo-neologism is probably mine,
from saying that Lower Caisse island of San Serriffe (where the Great
Woj of Tipe is found) has a peninsula which tapers and curves south
and EAST.  In fact, it tapers and curves south and WEST. The north
island is definitely roughly circular in outline.

How can you people ever forgive me....
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Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Subject:      Pagination in running header
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I'm sure I'm missing something, because this is so simple a problem
that the fact that I have it is evidence that I am....

Why won't a RHA delta insert the page numbers unless it operates from
p. 1? Other text is inserted - the title, for example - but not the
page number __on any page__ unless the delta is located so as to be
operative from p. 1.

NB 3 did not mind if the RHA delta was not on the first line of the
first page.
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I am a user of Lingua who is interested in getting in contact with other
Notabene users here in Israel. I am experiencing some problems using
IBID under OS2. I am not quite sure what or who you are, but someone gave
me this email address. My conventional mail address is:
Andrew Hahn
HaRav Berlin 45/6
Jerusalem 92505

tel: (02) 631 940

Please contact me in the way you see fit. Thank you, AH
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From:         G9026163@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: Lingua(?) cursor problem
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I've been able to pin down my problem, but I still don't know why it does it.
I found that a combination of smart quotation marks and acute e causes the
problem I described this morning.  In fact, if the acute e is next to a
quotation mark, the cursor invariably jumps to the next line.  If I type
a quotation mark (either Ctrl-" or Ctrl-`), some text, and then an acute e,
I get the extra, random character.  I've solved the problem by editing my
KBD file for key 53 from "ni,e,ov,*,a" to "ni,ov,*,a" which isn't as
convenient as getting the accented e/E without entering two keys, i.e. e-/,
but at least it's better than closing and reopening the document whenever
the cursor runs amuck.  Does anyone have any idea why "ni,e,ov,*,a" should
cause so much difficulty in conjunction with a quotation mark?

Paul Caron                              G9026163@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ont.
CANADA
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 12:12:26 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar" <itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      RE: Display Off
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Please have a look at the docs in NB4XPL01.ZIP. There are various
ways for displaying on/off. However, DO and DX still work. They
better be replaced by other codes, if multiple windows are
involved.

Itamar E-Z

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Same problems here: Tried --for several programs-- to freeze, after I
discovered that in NB4 there is more movement (especially between
screens) than in NB3, and put programs full of DX's (before each
command that moves the cursor/display, etc.), and that helped a
bit. I also tried the DO vo/vx, but did not notice any difference
in my programs. Pity Total Freeze is impossible as I see it:
especially when data are searched in other files (as in my
programs that search names, and bibliographical references,
in other files if I put the cursor on a namein the text), I get
the annoying swapping to other screens. Same with the SAVE command,
which now goes through an overlay (probably to be able to generate
the message that the file already had been saved --a VERY useful
improvement on NB3--), but this means that the screen temporarily
goes to the beginning of the file. In NB3 we could take care of
that by DX/DO's, but that is not an option when one uses the
overlay-save function (F5) (One can switch that off, of course,
and simply redefine F5 as direct save, with DX/DO before and
after, but then one loses the useful "File already saved" messages.).
(Incidentally, I have included in F5 a reference to a function in
the big help file NB.HLP which tells me that a file I am saving
is now being saved/has been saved. So that when I am briefly
attending to other things and get back I see the message:
"This file has been saved" (or "This file has NOT been saved"
when there was an error, e.g. a full disk), instead of simply "Done".)


Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl
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Subject:      Re: Seeking installation advice
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Bob,

I agree with Mervyn on Dos 5 and no partitions - trying to operate across
once caused me a dreadful problem.

But don't delete NB3 yet. And, you may have to rewrite you path or move nb pro
tem to C Drive.  When NB4 installs it wants to find the NB3 files, I
think this is part copy-protection, but also, it copies some over.
I kept NB3 just in case - 4 files convert back beautifully, in fact,
better than the other way, and you might have a printing problem.

Judy Evans  Politics  York  England
jae2@uk.ac.york
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From:         "Sarah L. Higley" <slhi@TROI.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU>
Subject:      re: blodge
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Didn't anybody read the first "blodge"?  The sender explained it.  To save
or not to save, that is now the question.

Sarah
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