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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:27:26 GMT
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In <79482@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU writes:

> In article <1ihrv6INNrmp@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) writes:
> 
> >	I see that as a PRINCIPLED woman. As in, give me freedom or give me
> >death. As in, if you don't make the threat, you get trashed anyway with the
> >real possibility of the Cardassians going on to the planet and reinvading.
> 
> Bwahahahahaaa!!!  "Give me liberty or give me death!" is all well and good.
> But you don't get to make that choice for me, and one person shouldn't get
> to make that choice for everyone there.  This isn't a starship, where they're
> "out exploring the unknown" and they are *knowingly* putting their lives
> at risk.  This station has a lot of civilians on it, people who don't give
> a s**t about fighting the Cardassians and who certainly aren't willing to
> die, even for one PRINCIPLED woman.

  Guys, guys, calm down!  She WAS NOT PREPARED TO SACRIFICE THE STATION.  In
fact, Kira was just about to surrender when the wormhole re-opened, disgorging
Sisko and the Card ship.  Kira was just attempting to bluff the Cards as long
as she could.  This was made pretty clear, I thought...



semper fi,

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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: O'brien will be Scotty (was Re: Comments on DS9"Emissary" **SPOILERS**)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:10:05 GMT

In <rawdon.726775372@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>In <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:

>>Question:  O'Brien indicates that DS9 has no shields.  Later, we
>>hear that shields are failing.  What gives?  Did O'Brien rig something
>>up in five minutes?

>Actually, yes; he said that he was going to do just that. :-)

Of course he did! He took lessons from Scotty while he toured the
Enterprise. Deep Space Nine DID have shields but to become as valuable as
Scotty did, he told them there were none and then "built" them!

I bet he even could have gotten Odo off with no problems, but instead
"kick" the right button to show people that 'If ya want to use the
transporter and feel safe, you better have me at the controls!'

Alan Bick
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From: ramirez@spock.uucp (Andreas Orphanides)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:11:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.222434.11790@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.221810.3901@infonode.ingr.com> andrew@ak8194.b23a.ingr.com writes:
>>How about a drink every time Data and the Liquid Guy exchange experiences
>>relating to not being human and not knowing their origins (yeah, I know
>>Data pretty much knows his already).
>>
>>OR, every time there is a guest appearance from STTNG or ST.
>>
>>OR, every time support beams fall during attack.
>
>How about a drink every time one of these messages shows up on the wrong list?
>
>Will you PLEASE delete rec.music.country.western from the distribution line?
>

Yeah, only *ONE* of those groups has the *slightest* connection w/startrek!

(mandatory joke approaching)

How are a football player and a prostitute similar?

They're both into ruining thier bodies for the pleasure of others.

ramirez@choate.edu
From: ac999239@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:23:23 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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Since they were dealing with outdated technology in the 'Relics' episode they
were able to beam through them. This seems the best explanation for this
particular instance of discontinuity.
From: sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'brien's transportation
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:24:58 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan08.181422.17745@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (R
obert W. Mech) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.234121.583@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes
>>
>>No, the Enterprise was never docked with the station, probably due to the
>>E's size, i.e. I don't think the Cardassians designed the station with
>>Galaxy-class Federation starships in mind.  Smaller vessels don't seem
>>to have any trouble though.
>>
>>Steven.K.Manfred
>
>It sure looked docked to me at the start of the show.  One of those litttle
>fingers? was attached to the saucer section.  I dont think that anyone could
>have really entered the thing, I think it was just there so that way the big
>E could keep in the same orbit with the station (was it in one?).  Either way
>I think it was just there so navigation could be lazy :-)

    Real interesting how Federation Starship's airlocks are totally compatible
    with a Cardassian spacestation......  I don't think the Big E was docked.
-- 

~Steve
sh09@lehigh.edu
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: DSN musings
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: O'Brien's pip
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:17:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.034047.1108@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan07.052249.18711@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>In article <00966280.FB446D60@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>>Well, I just watched Deep Space Nine the Premiere last night and here's what I
>>>thought.  But first....
>>>
>>>WARNING! WARNING! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! WARNING!
>>>the following text may or may not contain spoilers.  read at your own risk
>
>>>
>>>
>>>One thing that bothered me -- and I almost hate to bring it up -- but did
>>>anyone else see that O'Brien was only wearing a single hollow pip?  Maybe I
>>>missed the other solid pip, but I don't think so.  If that was the case, then
>>>he is enlisted.
>>
>>Not only that, but in the scene between Picard and O'Brien in the transporter
>>room just before O'Brien leaves for DSN, doesn't Picard call O'Brien 
>>*Ensign*? I'm going to watch it again this Thursday, and listen very carefully.
>
>Ok, I re-watched the scene, just like I said I would, and I totally mis-
>interpreted it. The "Ensign" spoken by Picard was directed to the Ensign
>standing at the transporter console. So, they haven't demoted O'Brien
>THAT badly...
>
>He was, however, only wearing one hollow pip...
>
>
	Not only that, but after re-watching the episode, if you look closely,
you can see that he _still_ only has one hollow pip when he is wearing his
base uniform.  Poor Miles.  I thought that this transfer was a promotion for
him....
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From: sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN musings
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:41:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <a4!341+@rpi.edu>, ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman) writes
:
>>>>One thing that bothered me -- and I almost hate to bring it up -- but did
>>>>anyone else see that O'Brien was only wearing a single hollow pip?  Maybe I
>>>>missed the other solid pip, but I don't think so.  If that was the case,
>>>>then he is enlisted.

    As in possibly, CHIEF PETTY OFFICER OBrien?

>>
>>Ok, I re-watched the scene, just like I said I would, and I totally mis-
>>interpreted it. The "Ensign" spoken by Picard was directed to the Ensign
>>standing at the transporter console. So, they haven't demoted O'Brien
>>THAT badly...
>>
    Ensign is the lowest Officer grade, so is in fact higher than CPO, I think.

>you can see that he _still_ only has one hollow pip when he is wearing his
>base uniform.  Poor Miles.  I thought that this transfer was a promotion for
>him....

    Yeah, I would have expected him to be an officer to be "Chief of Base
    Operations" or whatever they referred to him.  I think he ought to at
    least be a LT, anybody else?
-- 

~Steve
sh09@lehigh.edu
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: 38 Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:17:30 GMT

det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.170143.16254@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>>I have also never understood why they cannot fire while cloaked,
>>at least photon torpedeos that take relatively little energy.  Of
>>course, by firing they would reveal their location, but according to
>>canon, they cannot fire at all.I'd say it's just an unrationalized
>>plot device to keep the cloaking device from becoming more powerful
>>than it already is.

>Maybe photorps detonate when they try to pass through the cloaking
>field!

If I remember correctly, BOP are not armed with Photon Torpedoes. 
Is that correct?

	CtB
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From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:18:07 GMT

In <1993Jan6.132955.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.182601.18244@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>> I don't know if this has been discussed but if it has I missed it.
>> Has anyone explained why the uniforms on DS9 are different that the 
>> standard starfleet uniforms. I mean they are still starfleet officers
>> aren't they? Please explain... thanks...
>>  
>> J. Michael Clark
>> Ohio University
>I'm guessing the producers wanted a different look for the new show. 
>Just my opinion

      Well, it could be that the Starfleet crew is on "detatched" duty, and 
thier uniforms reflect that. :) After all, DS9 isn't a Federated Planets
starbase.

J G Currie
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:17:05 GMT

det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:

>If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.

>Minor spoiler ahead:

My computer don't like ^L's, so I just throw in some space...












>Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
>I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
>should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
>I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
>duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
>be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
>against the wall).

If I remember correctly, someone somewhere said that it's very hard and
stressful for Odo to shapeshift. Takes a lot out of him and therefore
he can't do it a lot to save the day every time.

>It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
>Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
>high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
>does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?

I agree completely. He's mass changed WAY to much from a small bag to a
humanoid. Here's another few points:
	
    1) If he's only imitating human form (humanoid isn't his natural
       shape I'm told) why isn't he more human looking??
 
    2) Just a question really, Is he a member of StarFleet? Or just the
       local law enforcment of the Space Station? And if he's not in 
       SF, who pays his wages?

			CtB

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:10:57 GMT

Actually, I'd like someone like him to be first officer to a
captain like Picard. I think it'd sort of be like Andy Griffith
and Barney Fife.

Jellico -- 'Troi, wear a uniform, or I'll take my bullet out of
            my pocket.'
Picard -- 'Troi, you can go. Jellico! Give me your gun before
            you shoot your foot again.'
Jellico -- 'But Jean Luc! The law says that Troi has to wear a
            uniform. A BLUE unifom. Why don't you go talk to
            Wesley. He's been hanging around with that
            Alexander kid. You gotta nip that in the bud.'
<and on and on and on>

I really do think that such a person would make the show MUCH
more interesting. Also, I DO think that Troi needs to BURN that
grey/purple outfit. She need not wear an 'official' uniform,
though. Maybe just something relaxed but not too revealing...

---
Lee Smallwood	msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu	Tazewell HS

		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
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From: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner)
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:23:09 GMT

In article <1iset7INN2v7@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> bgahl@scuba.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Gahl SunSoft DPT Software Engineer) writes:
>I can tell that most of the people commenting on this particular
>subject haven't spent a single moment in the military. That said,
>here are some facts (as opposed to opinions). When talking to a
>female officer of a superior rank, I always started off by calling
>them "Ma'am." On two separate occasions I was redressed for using
>such a term and was told, in no uncertain terms, that I should refer
>to them as "Sir." So, here in this primitive century, the female
>recipient made the choice.

Well, its just the opposite in the Canadian Military.  During my stint in the
infantry, we were always to call female officers "ma'am".  The only time
this was changed was when I met my Regimental Commander in Chief, Princess
Margaret.  When speaking to her, I was to address her as "Your Majesty" the 
first time, and then "ma'am" thereafter. 

I guess the Commonwealth isn't quite so primitive. 

						- Chuck 
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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:40:03 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <79510@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.133835.29130@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:
>
>>	Wait a minute...it seemed to me that she was ready to surrender before
>>the wormhole opened up....anyone else get this impression?
>
>I didn't, but I'll go back and rewatch.  Maybe I just misinterpreted her
>actions.
>

Here's my two cents.(I too watched twice...)

I think the last lines for Kira -- just before the worm-hole opened up
were:

KIRA: O'Brien, open a channel to the lead Cardassian ship.
      Signal our ....... 

<THE WORM-HOLE RE-OPENS>

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From: paul@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Paul Beatrice)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:13:15 GMT
Subject: ISO: ST:TNG Episode Listings
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

Could someone out there, provide a listing of the episodes for ST:TNG for
seasons 5-current -- in order of air date?

Thanks,
Paul

paul@hpwrc03.mayfield.hp.com   or
paul@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com

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From: roholdr@ccu.umanitoba.ca (R Ross Holder Jr)
Subject: Re: Riker Takes Command!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:34:46 GMT

In <1993Jan4.171856.17438@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>So much concern over who takes over the Enterprise!  Riker is probably
>next in line, but two things (I think) limit his chances:

>	1)	If he's in command and gets too hysterical,
>		his eyeball-rolling could seriously impair
>		him and endanger the ship (i.e., his acting
>		is even worse than Shatner's)

It is?  I've been told I'm overly critical sometimes, but I hadn't thought
his character was all that bad - quite the contrary.  I felt I knew Riker
long before I knew Picard.  (Also, Shatner's performed well in a couple of
other roles - I wouldn't qualify him as a bad actor either.  A bad director,
definately; but his acting is quite good, in my opinion.)

>	2)	As to
>		whom -- you got me ... any guesses (realistic --
>		Mel Gibson's not available, Alistair Cooke's
>		too old) ?????

Somehow, I don't think we'd find it easy to accept Mr. Gibson as captain of
the Enterprise - perhaps even less than Jello- Jerk-o or whatever his name
is.  What about that actor that played Remington Steele?  Or how about
Sean Connery?  He played a fantastic ship's captain in the Hunt for Red
October.  Or perhaps the Enterprise could deal with a female Captain...one
with a firm hand on the bridge.  Is Rosanne Barr taking offers?  Can you
imagine an exchange between her an Q?
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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Repeat of Relics was edited
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: 07 Jan 93 03:52:15 GMT

Here, the station screwed up...the teaser and opening credits for
"Relics" were actually the teaser and opening credits for "The
Emissary"...the rerun episode that was aired after the 6th-season
episode!

I thought it was a bit strange that Dr. Pulaski would be in a
6th-season episode...:-)

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From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:13:20 GMT

          Actually, the ships don't need to lower *all* their shields to
transport... Just the one in the direction they wish to be transported in.
That's why they could do it, Geordie and Scotty just lowered the bow
shields... kinda explains why there wasn't two explosions from the 
photorps... they didn't have to knock out the shields before destroying
the ship.

Ciao
J G Currie

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From: aar@engr.uark.edu (Albert A. Ruth)
Subject: Trill
Summary: This trill business confuses me??
Keywords: Trill Dax
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:08:25 GMT

Ok, does the host (the female body) have a personality seperate from the 
slug inside of it. Did (the female body; I won't call it Dax because I 
don't know if that is the body's name or the slug) lose its personality
when the slug entered or are they two seperate entities? Can someone explain
this to me?



                                        aar@engr.uark.edu
                                        Alan Ruth