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From: cheese@runx.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman)
Subject: Re: Radar
Organization: Your Computer Magazine, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.210354.3248@runx.oz.au> richardm@runx.oz.au (Richard Murnane) writes:
>
>Dumb question time! Has anyone ever tried building a TRF receiver for the
>K or X bands (or whichever they band the detectors use), to avoid problems with
>the local oscillator radiating?

Apparently some manufacturer is talking about an `undetectable' detector - not
openly in ads, of course, but by mail-out to customers it has in its database.
It could be a superhet with a well-shielded LO, I suppose. One trouble with
not having a LO would be transistors tend not to have much gain at 24 gigs!

>Not that I'd even dream of using one of course :-)
>
Why not? Don't forget "use-it-or-lose-it"! :-)

-Mark

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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Daily IPS Report -  9 Nov 92
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:49:28 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 8 November 1992
Summary for 8 November and Forecast up to 11 November
IPS Warning No. 32, issued on 07 Nov, is still current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 132/084

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             09 November        10 November        11 November
Activity     Low to moderate    Low to moderate    Low to moderate
Fadeouts     Possible           Possible           Possible

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 130/082

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Learmonth       09  3222 2322
    Fredericksburg  10
    Planetary       10

Observed Indices for 7 November : A
                  Fredericksburg  10
                  Planetary       09

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : unsettled with brief periods of
active levels.
Ap :  14

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: Normal.
Mid Lats: Normal.
High Lats: Poor to fair.
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to continue to be degraded at
high latitudes.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUFs at Sydney were about 15% below monthly predicted values 00-15UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index :  53

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
          09 November        10 November        11 November
MUFs      near normal        enhanced 15-25%    normal/depressed 20-30%
T index   90                 110                50

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for November is 70.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
Expect frequencies to be slightly enhanced during daylight hours and
near predicted otherwise.

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From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Re: antennae for scanning on 2m/70cm/23cm
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:41:19 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:

>From your interest in 2m/70cm/23cm I think what you want is a
>'Limited' License. This a a non-morse code license which
>permits operation on all Amateur bands 50 Mhz and higher and
>allows full power on all of these eg. 400w pep

Please forgive me if this offends anyone who might come from the 'old
school', but I actually prefer NOT to have to learn Morse as I don't
think it's entirely appropriate for what could be termed the 'modern'
communications sphere. The Limited license seems like the way to go
now that you mention in.
 
I guess this is basically a full theory and regulations exam but without
Morse? I should pull out the more recent issues of ARA and get into the
Theory Course articles I suppose.
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From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Re: Aircraft radio comms - polarisation ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:27:56 +1100
Distribution: aus
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Nov5.061244.18205@fawlty.towers.oz.au>, steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:

> 	Does anyone know what antenna polarisation is used
> on aircraft and ground stations eg. control towers ?

Vertical.  Antennas on aircraft may be placed in a variety of
places but the majority of them are placed with vertical
polarisation.  All CAA ground to air comms are vertical.

> 	Is it a uniform standard across Australia ?

Yep.  Aircraft mopve around a lot, there'd be no point in having
differing standards around the country.

Carl.
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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Re: VK2WI Weekly News, 8th November 1992
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:42:34 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1992Nov9.142542.468@hhcs.gov.au>,
    makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:

| As a quick note, Richard I'd like to publicly thank you and Dave
| for posting these broadcast notes.  It's a worthwhile service.

Thanks, Carl.  Richard and I are undergoing a little flak at the moment,
from some funny place down south, not entirely unconnected with a certain
"magazine" (Hey! What's with the "" quotes? Ed. {Drop dead. Me}).

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From: richardm@runx.oz.au (Richard Murnane)
Subject: Re: VK2WI Weekly News, 8th November 1992
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:19:14 GMT

In article <terryd.721385304@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson) writes:
>steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:
>
>>>Although the WIA is providing the venue, we'd like to make
>>>it clear that it is the attendees who will drive the
>>>meeting, elect a chairman, and propose solutions to the
>>>existing problems.
>
>>Does this mean the WIA NSW Div is staying well away from packet
>>and remaining un-involved.
>
>yep .. it seems so .. it also seems that the WIA has totally forgotten
>the content of teh packet discussion at the open forum .. only the
>sentiment .. they hav forgotten that the open forum was there fo
>suggestions as to how the vk2 division could better itself .. the
>suggestion was made that the vk2 division should volunteer resources
>to help establish a packet network .. and so they decided on a packet
>forum so that we could all get together and spit and shit on each other.
>fun. I'm taking a raincoat. I wouldn't miss it for the world .. I'm in
>need of some good reinforcement of my negative feeling towards this
>bloody hobby .. I'm sure the packet 'forum' will top them up quite
>nicely .. radio was my first love .. computing will probably be my
>wife.
>
>Terry
>
Oh, come on guys! You're having your own meeting on the 15th - surely
you can decide on a chairman for the forum. That's just a formality
after all.

>>>Although the WIA is providing the venue, we'd like to make
>>>it clear that it is the attendees who will drive the
>>>meeting, elect a chairman, and propose solutions to the
>>>existing problems.

I was asked to make that point clear, because there have been accusations that
the WIA was manipulating the previous open forum for its own ends. Say
by some bizarre chance that the meeting agreed to go for ROSE and forget
all this TCP/IP stuff. What are those who didn't attend the meeting f
going to say? "Oh, Barry-bloody-White pulled used his position on NTAC
to push tha AAPRA barrow blah blah.." That's what's likely to happen if
you all get negative and can't agree on a positive direction for change.

The meeting is so that you guys can come up with constructive ideas which
don't necessarily reflect the current WIA packet policies (if they exist! :-)
which obviously aren't working.

If selecting a chairman is really so hard for you, at least come to a
decision at your meeting on the 15th, and inform the DivCouncil you want
a WIA official to chair the thing (I thing Steve VK2QZ will be involved,
so perhaps you should tell him).

73 de Richard VK2SKY
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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Daily IPS Report - 12 Nov 92
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:00:48 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 11 November 1992
Summary for 11 November and Forecast up to 14 November
IPS Warning No. 33, issued on 11 Nov, is still current.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 135/087

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             12 November        13 November        14 November
Activity     Low                Low                Low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 135/087

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : quiet to unsettled, with active
levels 09-12UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Learmonth       13  3234 3322
    Fredericksburg  17
    Planetary       20

Observed Indices for 10 November :      A
                        Fredericksburg  11
                        Planetary       11

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : mostly unsettled, with brief periods
of active to minor storm levels possible.
Ap :  20

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
None.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: good.
Mid Lats: good.
High Lats: poor.
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to be good at low and mid lats,
and poor at high lats.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
Brief periods of active to minor storm levels are only expected to
affect propagation conditions at high lats

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUFs at Sydney were near normal until midway through the local night,
and 10-20% depressed thereafter.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index :  68

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
          12 November        13 November        14 November
MUFs      near normal        near normal        near normal
T index    70                 70                 70

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for November is 70.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
None.

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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Radar
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:26:49 GMT

In <1992Nov10.222904.15857@runx.oz.au>
   cheese@runx.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman) writes:

>I have heard of cops running around with detector-detectors, but no radar (or
>with the radar turned off), so they don't give themselves away until they hit
>the siren. They pull you over and one guy hits the radar while the other
>listens for funny noises in your car.

But aren't devices like that illegal in Australia under the
listening devices act?
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From: Ron.Killeen@f543.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Ron Killeen)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Freq. Register
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 00:20:44

Hi all,

I'm a radio operator in St. John Victoria District, and have decided to
UNofficially compile a register for our new communications vehicle, SJ1. I am
looking to swap information with communications divisions from other states,
especially South Australia and New South Wales. This would be extremely useful
for liaison at incidents, exercises, and particularly with the upcoming fire
season (if it ever stops raining in Victoria...!)

Eg. if something goes down in Mt. Gambier for example, and we all get turned
out, wouldn't it be nice not only to know the frequencies, but also the
codes,callsigns, and procedures used by other services?

The information I am after includes channel frequencies,
inputs/outputs,sub-tones, allocations, guidelines for channel selection,
codes,callsign structures, on-air procedures, prowords in common use, etc.
etc..

I am REALLY interested in getting this together, so, c'mon johnnos in other
states, let's pool our info and see what we can come up with. Please feel free
to reply here or netmail on 3:635/543 at the John Knox ARC BBS.

Thanks for reading this!

Ron Killeen VK3EHF.

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From: cheese@runx.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman)
Subject: Re: Radar
Organization: Your Computer Magazine, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.021801.18321@fawlty.towers.oz.au> steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:
>You can still use your detector and not get caught using it, mount
>your detector on your dashboard, carry a mallet in your car, within
>easy reach, when a cop pulls you over, grab mallet and smash detector !
>This works two fold, first, it destroys the evidence, secondly, the
>detector probably didnt work, otherwise why would the cop stop you.
>
I have heard of cops running around with detector-detectors, but no radar (or
with the radar turned off), so they don't give themselves away until they hit
the siren. They pull you over and one guy hits the radar while the other
listens for funny noises in your car.

-Mark


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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio
Subject: Daily IPS Report -  7 Nov 92
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:49:26 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 6 November 1992
Summary for 6 November and Forecast up to 9 November
IPS Warning No. 32 will be issued later today.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 133/085

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             07 November        08 November        09 November
Activity     Low to moderate    Low to moderate    Low to moderate
Fadeouts     Possible           Possible           Possible

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 135/087

1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------

2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : quiet to unsetted, with active
levels 15-18UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K
    Learmonth       10  2132 3412
    Fredericksburg  15
    Planetary       15

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : quiet to unsettled with active
periods later in the day.
Ap :  20

2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
Minor storm levels were recorded at high latitudes from 12-15UT.

3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
Propagation conditions :         
Low Lats: Normal.
Mid Lats: Normal.
High Lats: Normal.
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
Propagation conditions are expected to again be degraded at high
latitudes over the next three days. Middle latitudes should 
experience depressed frequencies 8th and 9th.
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
None.

-----------------------------------------------------------

4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUFs at Sydney were 20-40% enhanced 00-10UT and 20-23UT. Near monthly
predicted values at other times. Strong sporadic E at 1100UT.

Observed Sydney Regional Ionospheric Index : 125

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
          07 November        08 November        09 November
MUFs      enhanced 20-30%    depressed 20-30%    depressed 20-30%
T index   105                 55                 55

Predicted Monthly Ionospheric Index for November is 70.

4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
Enhancements from 00-09UT should again be experienced today.
Otherwise near predicted values.

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From: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Subject: Re: antennae for scanning on 2m/70cm/23cm
Reply-To: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:07:45 GMT

In article <10088@kralizec.zeta.org.au> craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes:
>steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche) writes:
>
>>From your interest in 2m/70cm/23cm I think what you want is a
>>'Limited' License. This a a non-morse code license which
>
>Please forgive me if this offends anyone who might come from the 'old
>school', but I actually prefer NOT to have to learn Morse as I don't
>think it's entirely appropriate for what could be termed the 'modern'
>communications sphere. The Limited license seems like the way to go
>now that you mention in.
> 
>I guess this is basically a full theory and regulations exam but without
>Morse? I should pull out the more recent issues of ARA and get into the
>Theory Course articles I suppose.

Yes, that's the Limited license, as it stands today,  but
get yourself a copy of Amateur Radio Action  next month, as it
will describe the proposed changes to the regulations, which includes
some new license classes. There will be a Novice-Limited which allows
2m & 70cm from next year.

What sort of things did you actually want to do on 2m, 70cm & 23cm ??
are you interested in satellites, terrestrial DX, digital modes, ATV  ??
from this, one of us could point you in the right direction.

steve


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From: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Subject: Re: Radar
Reply-To: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.120228.8237@ucc.su.OZ.AU> andy@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Miehs) writes:
>G'Day..
>
>I am after information concerning RADAR Detector units as used by the police..
>IE: How they work, etc... frequencies and the like. (In Australia)
>
There was some discussion about this topic some time ago, frequencies etc,
maybe some else kept a record of it.

>One other thing that I could never work out was their radar detector detectors...? It doesnt seem posible to pick up a reciever.... ( Not with any great accurAcy anyway.. cause wouldnt it just pick up your car radio?)
>	
You bet its possible, just look for the Local Oscillator inside your
radar detector, they radiate well, makes it very easy to sniff out
with the right receiver. 
You can still use your detector and not get caught using it, mount
your detector on your dashboard, carry a mallet in your car, within
easy reach, when a cop pulls you over, grab mallet and smash detector !
This works two fold, first, it destroys the evidence, secondly, the
detector probably didnt work, otherwise why would the cop stop you.

de steve

>Thanx...
>
>Please email me at andy@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
>
>
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From: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Subject: Re: NSW Packet Forum.  Your views please.
Reply-To: steve@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Steve Blanche)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:47:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.170628.474@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>I've been reading some of the junk that's been floating around
>the packet network and as far as I can see everyone seems to have
>a different opinion of what's going to happen at this Packet
>Forum in Sydney on the 22nd.
Sorry Carl, I havent read any, fortunately, I've had my PC turned off
for 2 weeks (renovating the house), so I've missed all the usual crap !
>
>Well I'll be there (Wearing my hats of BBS sysop, Wormhole
ok, see you there !
>
>Ok people.  Post here your views, ideas, comments and criticisms

Terry, had a good idea the other day, find a new hobby !

>of the current NSW network.  If anyone has a decent collection of
>the messages that floated around the packet network (like the
>marathon effort by Rod, VK2DOT) it would be nice to have them
>posted here as well.
Thats not unusual, if the network wasnt full of crap like that,
then we wouldnt need a forum to improve the network.
>
>We've only got a week and a half before the thing is on.
>
>Carl.
>-- 
Also,  thanks for aircraft info, Carl !

de steve


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