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From: bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: RTF definition/interpretation...somebody goofed!!? HELP!! (medium long)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:14:53 GMT
Reply-To: bin@primate.wisc.edu

From article <1992Aug24.115156.23754@zoe.network23.com>, by terry@zoe.network23.com (Terry):
> From article <6608@uakari.primate.wisc.edu>, by bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral):
>> It may just be that I don't understand RTF.  I freely admit I am stumped
>> by this mystery within the RTF world.
> 
> If you have problems generating RTF that works I suggest that you call Microsoft
> and ask for the RTF Specification.  It is a great help.  They sent it to
> me free of charge.  You can also write to:

I have the specification, and I also have the Microsoft Word Technical
Reference.

> About stylesheets, a stylesheet must first be declared in the RTF header.  When
> a stylesheet is applied to a paragraph the entire stylesheet definition must be
> repeated for the paragraph just putting the stylesheet ID in the paragraph will
> not work.

I submit that this is not the way a style should work (nor is my experience
that this is the way they DO work - when they work).  There is no point
to having a stylesheet at all if the definition of the style must be
repeated in each paragraph to which it is supposed to apply.

What is the point of a stylesheet, if not to be able to select a style
simply by referring to the style ID?  If you have to repeat the definition
each time, then the stylesheet itself if vestigial.

Paul DuBois
dubois@primate.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: thacker@cc1.unt.edu (Mark D. Thacker x2568)
Subject: Re: Mac & PC Calendar/Scheduling Software
Organization: Computing Center, UNT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:55:14 GMT

In article <hlindley.714979804@cunews> hlindley@alfred.carleton.ca (Hugh Lindley) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
>Path: mercury.unt.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!hlindley
>From: hlindley@alfred.carleton.ca (Hugh Lindley)
>Subject: Re: Mac & PC Calendar/Scheduling Software
>Message-ID: <hlindley.714979804@cunews>
>Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator)
>Organization: Carleton University
>References: <1992Aug27.194303.5607@walter.bellcore.com>
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:30:04 GMT
>Lines: 29
>In <1992Aug27.194303.5607@walter.bellcore.com> sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor) writes:
>
>>We have a mixed environment of Macs and PC's that are all able to share
>>files via Netware and/or NFS. 
>
>>What we're looking for is a Calendar and/or Schedule package that can
>>be used on both Macs and PC's and the users can access each others
>>calendar files that'll be stored on the common server (e.g. Mac users
>>could access the calendar files created by the PC application and
>>vice-versa).
>
>>Does anyone know if such a cross-platform application exists.
>
>WordPerfect office provides EMail, Realtime text conferencing and a
>Calender feature. It is cross platform between DOS and MAC. WE are
>currently looking at it but the only drawback we can see is that is
>that it is made by the same company that has given the Mac World
>WordPerfect for Macintosh, which in our opinion leaves much to be
>desired.   
>
>>Thanks.
>>-- 
>>Spencer Kantor
>>Bell Communications Research
>
>>sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com
>>{bcr, bellcore}!nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com!seK
>
>HLindley@carleton.ca


ONE REALLLLLY big note about WPOffice.  It does NOT provide cross-platform 
EMAIL capabilities in the best way!!  That is, you do not read the same 
mailbox if you are on a Mac as you would on the PC!!!!  You have one mailbox 
for the Mac and one for the PC and never shall they meet!

Take a look at Pegasus Mail for example of a product that provides the same 
mailbox no matter what the platform.  Take a look at IMAP technology for a 
better example of true class platform mailbox capability.


Mark thacker

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From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: RTF File format available!
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:59:14 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

I located a file from Microsoft, which describes this format.  It came from
CompuServe originally.  I think it applies only to the RTF generated by Word
4.0 and before, as I notice a code change in WOrd 5.0 that is not reflected in 
the doc's.  Feel free to call the BBS.


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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Does StyleWriter do envelopes?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:35:41 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug24.080442.12241@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> Hello all-
>
> I'm wondering how well a stylewriter will print envelopes.
> I'm talking about the nice cotton envelopes you might
> use when sending out resumes.  My typewriter's
> print just doesn't seem to want to stick to the paper.
> And it's a pain to type in addresses more than once.
>
> Does it print well?  Does it wrinkle the envelope at all?

I use "Seal-Easi" envelopes, which have a folded-back adhesive flap on them
to save licking. The paper seems a bit more porous than photocopier paper,
and as a result the StyleWriter's print isn't quite as sharp. But it's still
perfectly legible.

I always use the rear manual feed slot for envelopes (this gives you a
straight-through paper path), and I've never had misfeeds or wrinkles.
I've even worked out that the top edge of the envelope is about 5mm
lower than where my Mac thinks it is, and the left edge is about 1mm to
the left. Thus I can get an address nicely centred by holding the envelope
up to the screen.

One hassle I've found with version 7.2.2 of the StyleWriter driver is, if
the height of the page you've chosen in page setup doesn't match the height
of the envelope, it's liable to complain, once it's fed the envelope through,
that the paper is too short. But so long as I don't actually *print* anything
off the bottom of the envelope, there's no real problem--I just click "Cancel"
to tell it not to try printing the page again.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: unreadable GIF files??
Followup-To: freytag@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:51:38 GMT

I have been using a variety of applications that are supposed to be able
to decompress GIF files that have a TEXT resource; notably VisionLab.  All
GIF files (ones that are readable on other systems) when downloaded to my
machine via Kermit fail with a message that they have a "bad LZW code."  
These GIF files are not compressed, uuencoded, or manipulated in any way 
except to be GIF files.  

Is there something obvious that I am missing/forgetting?  

Thanks in advance,
Richard Freytag
From: jmale@uranie.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re : European costs
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: jmale@cosinus.inria.fr
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis


		 What about the non translated software, like for instance
		 Think products?
		 I have bought Think Pascal 3 just before version 4
		 was sold (thanks a lot to my local dealer :-( ), and I
		 have seen that American price is about 40% cheaper.
		 I don't think that Symantec has a French office, and the
		 difference seems to go directly in the pocket of the
		 dealer. 

		 I will add a general comment on the local Apple
		 dealers here in French Riviera. I went into 5 or 6
		 stores, and the impression they gave me was of
		 complete ignorance of what IS a Macintosh, what makes
		 it different from say PCs, what is a user's real
		 need and what configuration would be the best choice.
		 The one I made the deal was the only serious one.
		 
		 More or less, and this is a very BAD point, the
		 salespeople sells computers like shoes, or houses. In
		 my region, I am afraid the best counter-advertising
		 to Apple comes from its local dealer net. They are
		 CROOKS.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Dead hard-drive: HELP!
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:14:34 GMT

Fine, don't believe me, I don't care, but I just got off the phone with 
"a friend" whose hard drive on his powerbook 100? (the cheap one) packed it in.
Of course, he was using it for his business for a few months now, and has
no backups whatsoever. He said that it had been making noises for a while
before it died (I say, get a clue, bud) and now it doesn't spin anymore.

His dealer says that the drive is cooked and that they cannot retrieve the
data. Apple Canada told him to talk to his dealer.

I promised him that I would post here to see if anyone knew of a way to get his
data off his toasted drive. There, I did it.

Please e-mail, as I do not usually read this group.

Thanks in advance,

Jody

our system is screwed up so this posting may not be replyable
please mail to: Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell)
Subject: Re:  .HQX   was: <none>
Organization: Astronomical Observatory, Uppsala
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:49:43 GMT

This bounced, so I post it...

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>> RCPT To:<bsu-ucs!00mlkerney>
<<< 554 <bsu-ucs!00mlkerney>... Host bsu-ucs not known--please specify domain
554 00mlkerney@bsu-ucs.uucp... Service unavailable
To: bsu-ucs!00mlkerney

In article <1992Sep3.115002.9225@bsu-ucs.uucp> you write:

|> i've gotten as far as having an FTP site send me a few .HQX files...
|> 
|> my question now is, once i receive them, how do i get them over to my
|> mac? i have stuffit and everything, i just need a few suggestions on how
|> to port the actual data over in a way that the files won't get toasted...

.HQX is vanilla ascii, can be transferred by kermit, zterm, etc...

Or with a floppy from e.g. Sun to Mac if you have the appropriate 
means of writing PeeCee diskettes and a superdrive to read them.

Then you unbinhex 'em and unstuff/uncompact them as usual.

Good luck.

*** Olle ***
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E-mail - Olle.Morell@astro.uu.se

Snail Mail - Astronomical Observatory, Box 515, 751 20 Uppsala, Sweden
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: I want to turn my handwriting into a Mac font
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Actually, I don't; my girlfriend does :)  But I recall seeing an ad
>in a Mac magazine for a compnay that provided this exact service: they
>would take samples of your handwriting and turn it into a font for
>your Mac (Type 1?)

I thought this might be of general interest, so I posted a reply.  The
LAZY DOG FOUNDRY (1-800-876-9807) advertizes converting handwriting to
type 1 fonts, 90 characters, 35 kerning pairs, $225.  

Kind of pricey, but if you gotta have it...
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From: gp310ad@prism.gatech.EDU (ROBERT DUCKWORTH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: DuPont 4Cast 11x17 full bleed dye-sub CYMK printer. like new. $15000.00
Keywords: graphic output print color pre-press photo
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:14:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



For sale (buyer wanted for), DuPont 4Cast.

This is a color dye sublimation printer.
Continuous tone. 
300 DPI
full 11" x 17" image. (full bleed)
Output is reminiscent of a Cibichrome print.

Excellent condition.
Approx. six months light use.
Less than 500 images printed.

Works with Macintosh only!

Printer in original crate with one set of supplies.
Current list over $35000.00
Sell for $15000.00

-bob



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From: sh8y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen P. Hoover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: LaserWriter Problem
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cebgjIW00iUxE6kLUZ
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

We have an original LaserWriter which we have been using for years as a
printer connected to a Sun by a serial line.  In this mode it works
fine.  The problem arises when after properly connecting and switching
over to Appletalk.  In this case, the Chooser locates and allows me to
select the printer and to print to it.  However, almost every file I try
to print (from word, etc...) will not print.  I get a postscript error
making reference to the command exitserver.  The only files I've been
able to print have been using SendPS to print a text file.  No
postscript files generated with command-f or command-k work, no other
applications, etc...

This suggests to me a problem in the version of Postscript in the
Laserwriter roms.  However, I can't believe that Apple leaves people
hanging,  shouldn't the LaserWriter driver work for ALL laserwriters. 
(BTW I've tried Laserwriter 5.2 and 7.0)

Any ideas for correcting this problem, or about what is going on?

Thanks,

Steve Hoover
sph@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: Sad Mac, PLEASE HELP!!
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:54:00 GMT

Hello, netters!

 This morning, when I tried turn on MacIIsi, I got sad mac.
 I tried to boot from internal floppy 
 by using Disk Toos(7.0.1) and Syutem6.0.7 but
 failed.

 When I try to boot, I have happy mac briefly, then sad mac comes up
with numbers,

0000 000f
0000 7fff

 I have MacIIsi, 5mb/40mb + 120mb external harddrive.
 system 7.0.1 with tune up (latest) in the internal drive.

Do you have any recommendation? Is there anyway to reboot from external
drive under this situation?
Could you reply by email?

Thank you in advance,

Choi
choi@galton.uchicago.edu
choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu
From: bng@tropel.gca.com (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: ***** NEED INFO:  LCII  vs  IIsi *****
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:16:32 GMT

HELLO MacLC and MacIIsi users!

Could some of you help me to figure out which one is
better?  LCII or MacIIsi?  Pros and cons in aspects
like clock speed, screen-refreshing speed, expandibility
and so on are VERY WELCOME!  Oh, also graphics display
properties....

Thanks,
Baldwin Ng
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From: Chris.Phillips@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Chris Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: --- Mac II for sale ---
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:36:11 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

wouLd you consider $1200 for your Mac II?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mikefton@netcom.com (Mike Fullerton)
Subject: 21" Grayscale monitor wanted
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:40:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

hey,
    I'm looking for a good deal on a Apple 21" Grayscale monitor 
and 256 grayscale card for my IIci.
 
E-Mail me at:
mikefton@netcom.netcom.com
 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Macs are too cheap!
From: tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

>> In <714823281.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Kaz.Karl@f1138.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Kaz Karl) writes:
>> 
>> >Oh, be real...Perhaps you can buy an si for $2500, but that 
>> >clunky machine is the equivilant of the 396SX I just got for 
>> >a client for six hundred new...

Not that its really a fair comparison, but I found the following
two examples to be informative:

a) In a review of the windows version of PhotoShop (Byte, July issue?)
the Quadra 700 + 950 were about twice as fast as a 50Mhz 486 Compaq when
performing filtering for example. Don't have it in front of me right
now so I can't give you figures...but they provide numbers and it
was like 17 secs on an 950 and 35 seconds on a 486/50.

So on the high end, macs are at least competitive :-)

and b) In this weeks PCWeek:
"PC Week evaluated the new release of Design/IDEF on three platforms:
Windows 3.1 on a 33MHz 486 with 12M bytes of RAM, OS/2 2.0 on a 16MHZ
386 with 10M bytes of RAM, and System 7 on a Macintosh Plus with 2.5M
bytes of RAM.  The OS/2 machine was used to run the Windows verions of
the program in "seamless Windows" mode and exhibited no apparent
problems; both the Windows and Macintosh versions of the program
installed easily and operated smoothly, but a fast machine is
strongly recommended..."


Let us restate this: They compared a 486/33 Windows machine with 10M
of ram to a *Mac Plus*!! with 2.5M.

**** AND BOTH RAN SMOOTHLY ****

Now tell me one more time that an LCII is comparable to a 386sx
running Windows?? HA! Macs don't cost too much, they are the
cheapest platform around! Ultimately, if they cost too much,
no one would buy them. Since Apple is the single largest PC vendor,
-- dispite having a propriatary hardware/software platform -- Macs
are *obviously* not too expensive.

On one final note, I loved the post by the gentleman several days
ago who wrote about his "accelerated windows" that could do
1280x780x256, but that he ran at 16 colors (thats *4* bits for
those of you who are counting) because it was too slow at
256 (8 bit), and that oh yeah, he could do 24bit at 640x480 so
macs had nothing on him. (He was boasting about this you'll recall.)

Tell me again?? **Accelerated** viedo, and he has to run in 4 bit
mode because 8 bit is too slow?? Hows that about an LCII being
slower than an 386sx again?? Let's put his accelerated video
in 24bit mode and compare again :-)

Jonathan - tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gblanken@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gerime P Blankenship)
Subject: Compact Pro/stuffit/etc....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:00:05 GMT

     I was wondering, I have compact pro, stuffit expander, stuffit lite, and 
binhex 4.0.  However, there are still codes i can get from anonymous ftp sites 
that my mac won't expand or unstuff.  I get the "Couldn't find the application 
that created it. " error message.  Is there still another 
expander/unstuffer/etc.... program that I need to accomplish this task.  The 
one file in particular that i can't expand is dragon-go.hqx at 
sumex-aim.stanford.edu under info-mac/game.  If someone could be of help it 
would be appreciated.

                         Thank you,
                         Gerime Blankenship
                         gblanken@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: Robert.H.Gross@dartmouth.edu (Robert H. Gross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: How do I reduce SYSTEM file size?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:11:33 GMT
 <zaphod-260892164927@gregt.winona.msus.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d56@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Have you checked to make sure that you are using 32-bit addressing? If
not, you would have the symptoms you describe. You need 32-bit
addressing to utilize that much memory.

Bob Gross
bob.gross@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Setting up a file server...
Originator: jens@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:47:57 GMT

Hullo, there.

I am trying to set up a file server on a Sun system as a sort of experiment.
One of the things I'd like to do is share applications, which means I need
to figure out how to hack applications with ResEdit so that each app can
be used by several people at the same time.

Is this easy to do?  I mean, can it be done by setting some property, or
does the application have to modified in a more drastic way?

Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

Jens

PS--please respond by e-mail, if you would...


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