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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:00:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.183152.16488@ddsw1.mcs.com> jailbird@ddsw1.mcs.com (Ron D. Harvey, Professional Bachelor) writes:
>From article <1992Sep2.152347.21809@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, by David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield):
>> In article <7153835142797@c00481-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu>
>> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>> 
>>> In article <1992Sep1.151445.4345@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> 
>>> David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:
>>> >In article <92244.164749BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
>>> >Didn't George play slide way back on Drive My Car?  I don't have
>>> >Lewison's book here with me to consult.
>>> 
>>> I believe that was Paul.
>> 
>> Wow.  Did Paul play slide on other tunes, as well?
>> 
>
>Hey!  
>
>First of all, that solo definitely not played with a slide, and 
>it was George who played it.  I remember reading that in The Book, 
>because it mentions how you can hear Paul's yell of approval at 
>the close of the solo just before the (overdubbed) chorus refrain.
>Paul did play a lot of guitar solos, but let's credit George for
>that neat little ditty.
>

Well, Mr. Harrison himself calls the playing on "Drive My Car" slide,
and he does indeed credit it to Paul during his first appearance on
"Rockline":

"Well, here's one for all you Beatle barkers out there: The slide on
'Drive My Car' wasn't played by me (he proceeds to demonstrate with the
guitar the _Rockline_ folks provided), it was played by Paul!"

I take this to mean that the solo (not slide) was played by George, while
the other incidental playing (which was slide) was played by Paul.

>My impression is, George didn't do that much slide work with the
>Beatles; it seems that John did a bit, though during the later days.
>I think George really blossomed as a slide player (seemingly almost
>overnight) in his ex-Beatle years -- to the point that his solos 
>used the slide almost exclusively.
>

You are correct that George didn't play slide much as a Beatle.  During that
same show, he says he didn't learn the slide until his brief stint on tour
with Delaney and Bonnie.  As I have pontificated on many previous occasions,
I personally feel the slide George plays on the "Imagine" LP is the most
brilliant thing since sliced beer...  (A scant three years after George says
he first picked up playing slide)

>Back to lurking,

Back to posting on every detail of the Fab Four, in enough detail to make
most people sick ;-)

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: c8906822@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:23:51 GMT

Me and a friend of mine were talking the other night, and we got on to the
subject about various Beatle songs and album covers and the so-called hidden 
messages or cryptic clues regarding the famous "Paul is dead" story. In
particlar we were discussing the "Abbey Road" cover. Now, I know about the
number plate on the VW showing "28IF" referring to the fact that Macca would
have been 28 years old at the time of "Abbey Road" IF he wasn't dead already.
The thing we were trying to work out was the actual symbolic meaning of each 
Beatle. We came to the uncertain conclusion that George, wearing his denim 
jeans and what looks like denim shirt was representing the grave digger in his
work clothes, Paul being the corpse, Ringo in his black suit being the
undertaker, and John in his all white suit we weren't sure about. Anyway, if
anybody has read or heard or has an opinion, let's "hear" it.

cheers,

David.



Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest `92 (again)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.200519.29727@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>Speaking of books, Lewisohn's forthcoming "The Complete Beatles Chronicle",
>which will detail the Boys' stage, TV, radio, film/video, recording/mixing
>activities (is that enough? :-) is due out in England on 24 September and
>14 October in the U.S.
>As of Wednesday,
>the folks at Beatlefest knew nothing of this new release.

Not true.  Maybe the secretary you talked to did not know, but it will be
in their newest catalog, which should be sent out any day now.

--
Jim Demes  (demes@brahms.udel.edu or demes@freezer.cns.udel.edu)
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:38:42 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Jul31.011535.16059@leland.Stanford.EDU> raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson) writes:

>prophetic, of course, but I got the same eerie feeling as I did watching
>that innocent scene in "Help!" when a young John Lennon is forced to throw up 
>his hands in a stickup at Buckingham Palace.  I hope I'm not shamelessly 
>exploiting the strong emotions felt by all of us about a terrible moment in
>modern history; I know its a common tendency to interpret lyrics in strange


I get the same butterflies when I see the scene at the end of How I Won
The War when Pvt. Gripweed gets killed. This scene is more 'realistic'
than the scene in Help! and really bugs me.

On a similar note, I remember seeing a Woody Allen film (I cant remember
the title, but it's all in monochrome), in which there is a scene where a
pop start gets shot. I think the movie was made before December 1980, but
I happened to see it in about Feb or March of 1981, and it really spoilt
the whole evening for me.

Finally, I have just finished reading (long after it first appeared) the
Fred Seaman kiss-n-tell. I had `boycotted' it for a while, because the
Preface pays tribute to G**man and his so-called biography. But in the
end I couldnt resist it, as it has some really neat photos in it. Anyway,
having read the whole thing, and taking into account the fact that he
obviously has a score to settle with Yoko, I found the book frankly very
plausible: it seems John was leading a really lonely and pathetic life up
until he went (was sent) to bermuda and started writing again. What does
anyone else think of the Seaman book?
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Live shows on video (was:Re: Beatlefest `92 (again))
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:49:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Sep4.154926.13753
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......

In article <1992Sep4.114655.19490@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.045718.8250@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>>>Looking back at the Beatlefest catalog, I agree `The Beatles LIVE' is 
>>>available at a lower price (though the catalog notes a limited quantity
>>>is available). However, at one of the flea market booths I found a bunch
>>>of Japanese-produced CDs (which I knew nothing about) and a black covered
>>>beatles video of 20 minute length which I took to be a repackaged LIVE
>>>video, but with a $62.50 tag. Let the buyer beware! 
>>
>>The dreaded "grey-market" videos.  Avoid such things at all costs.
>>The operation usually consists of a collector with a label maker,
>>and two VCR's.  The color (if any) will be horribly washed out, and
>>the sound will be very tinny.
>>
>
>Not one to defend bootleggers, but... if this is what is available,
>is priced appropriately, and the quality is satisfactory for your
>use, why not?  I agree that the quality is often very bad, but
>you generally have a chance to see what you are buying before the
>fact.  I am not sure what the alternatives are other than wait and
>hope for better.
>

Well, my point is that their are *better quality* tapes of the same
video available from Collectors.  An example:  I have a third Generation
video (in stereo) of one of McCartney's Madison Square Garden concerts.
The video is in decent color, albeit originally taken with a camcorder.
A friend gave me a "grey market" copy of the same show, which was selling
for $25.00.  The color is virtually nonexistent, and the audio is tinny,
and in mono.  It is obvious the seller's copy was several generations below
mine!

So, unlike audio bootlegs, you do not get pristine copies of the best
"non-commercially-released" video.  when you buy grey market.  Instead,
you get something likely several generations removed from the best available
among collectors...

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: webb@gamera.eng.hou.compaq.com (Donna Webb)
Subject: Beatles influence 'Crowded House'
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:37:44 GMT

Just wondering - has anyone else heard a little of the Beatles'
sound in Crowded House CD - Wooden Faces?  The more I listen to
the CD, the more I hear the sound.  Any comments would be
interesting and appreciated.

Donna


From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:16:55 GMT
Subject: Re: George interviews
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


> Just a quick note:
> 
> 1) George is featured in the current (September 1992, with U2 on the cover)
>    issue of Musician magazine.  A short interview (6 pages), but still a
>    nice piece.  George seems much more "spiritual" in tone throughout the
>    interview, and the black and white full-page photo used at the front
>    makes George look very old...
> 
> 2) George was on Rockline on 8/24.  Nice interview, and he made it through
>    the whole thing completely sober ;-).  [ The last time George was on 
>    _Rockline_, he was nervous, and drank a few too many Dostekeys before the
>    show ]  More on this later, after I've gotten to listen to it a few hundred
>    more times.
> 

Speaking of interviews, an interview with Ringo was published a couple
of weeks ago in the SF Chronicle. I believe it was reproduced from
Rolling Stone magazine. He talks a lot about the Beatles. It is very
interesting, and I'm quite willing to take the time to type it in, but
since it's copyrighted material, I don't know if that's a good idea.
What is the policy on reproducing copyrighted info on the net?

Tom
From: dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:34:23 GMT



]Stuart Troutman (stuart@apollo.hp.com) wrote:
>: 
>: The terrific little guitar break in McCartney's "Fixing a Hole" (it 
>: comes in after the 3rd verse, after McC sings: "...heh-heh hey..."). 
>: I don't remember from Lewisohn's notes if this was played by Harrison 
>: or by McCartney himself (sounds more like Harrison to me), but I'm 
>: actually less interested in what's being played than I am in the actual
>: recorded SOUND of that guitar. What an amazing sound. Does anyone know 
>: how that audial texture was achieved? Is it a detuned guitar, a slowed-
>

The September issue of Guitar World magazine theorizes that what
we hear is George's Fender Stratocaster with a little good old-fashioned
tube amp distortion and, of course, the ubiquitous heavy compression.

-----

David Faciane        | "I was just singing it in the toilet so I think
dave@ray.met.fsu.edu |  I should get it --Lennon, Abbey Road, 1965
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs)
Subject: Beatles Illustrated Lyrics (was Re: Beatles Lyrics)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:18:32 GMT

In article <VL1yPB2w164w@woodowl.UUCP> flippant@woodowl.UUCP (Tom  
Levesque) writes:
> Someone mentioned looking for a package of beatles lyrics for D&D
>  
> Anyway, I've got a book full of them that shouldn't be hard to find.
>  
> The Beatles Illustrated Lyrics - By Aldridge
>  
> A book full of artwork based on beatles songs, and most of their lyrics.  
I'm 
> sure someone somewhere knows of a beatles song that isn't in the book 
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
but
> it looks like their basic released material is all covered. 

I have this book as well, and want to point out that many later Harrison  
and Starr songs (While My Guitar Gently Weeps, I Me Mine, Don't Pass Me  
By, Savoy Truffle, and a few others) are not included in the book.  I  
presume this is because when Lennon & McCartney started Northern Songs,  
George and Ringo formed their own publication names?

-- Joe McCombs (mccombj@alleg.edu)

"All lies in jest / Still a man hears what he wants to hear,
 And disregards the rest."	-- Simon & Garfunkel, "The Boxer"
From: schauerte@curly.gmr.com (Frank Schauerte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatlefest `92
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:23:04 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI


-- 
_________________________________________________________
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General Motors Research Labs;    email=>schauerte@gmr.com
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 11:09:55 EDT
From: <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Distribution: na
 <1992Sep1.030917.13344@cbfsb.cb.att.com>

Sorry for my answer on the Elmore James question.  Don't know what I was thinki
ng.

barry
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Abbey Road
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:20:04 GMT

VURGUN, SINAN (CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU) wrote:
: 
: 	Could somebody please tell me the answer to a question
: 	which has been bugging me for ages.
: 	On the back of the Abbey Road album there is a picture
: 	of a wall with The Beatles written on top and Abbey Road 
: 	written below it which has an N following it. I presumed 
: 	that the N is the beginning of a new word. Could somebody
: 	please tell me what that word is or what the N stands for.
: 		Thanx in advance.

North?  As in Abbey Road North?  Just a guess.
--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: George interviews
Summary: Copyright questions
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:49:15 GMT

In article <61680036@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts) writes:
>
>Speaking of interviews, an interview with Ringo was published a couple
>of weeks ago in the SF Chronicle. I believe it was reproduced from
>Rolling Stone magazine. He talks a lot about the Beatles. It is very
>interesting, and I'm quite willing to take the time to type it in, but
>since it's copyrighted material, I don't know if that's a good idea.
>What is the policy on reproducing copyrighted info on the net?

I haven't heard of anyone being arrested because of such activity, but
copyright regulations do protect material from being reproduced in
electronic form without prior permission. To be on the safe side (and
to be nice to the original copyright holder, who may be a starving
journalist somewhere), it's best to hold off on your zeal to copy
someone else's article in its entirety. You can use occasional sentences
or paragraphs (short ones) to summarize your point, with correct citations
of course.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Ringo & Hollywood Bowl....
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.192044.7281@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <19773@fritz.filenet.com> ganjavi@felix.filenet.com (Ray Ganjavi) writes:
>
>>	2. I love the Beatles Live at Hollywood Bowl album. I think
>>	   it's my favorite album of all times. It has such 
>>	   tremendous energy.
>
>So when's the CD coming out? I-)

EMI has no current plans to release the Hollywood Bowl album on CD,
for reasons that remain unclear. They could have decided that it's
not marketable, not profitable, or not worth the tangle over copyrights.
I'm not certain but I believe the remaining Fabs must okay such releases.

Perhaps a letter-writing campaign to EMI would be in order.
--
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saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Keywords: lennon,god
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:29:09 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:

>I don't believe in kings

If my memory serves, this should be King, i.e. Martin Luther; but there
is also a subtle connection because King is MLK but also The King
(Elvis). If you look at the litany, you'll see that each line is
connected somehow with the previous one in this way.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White)
Subject: Fixing A Hole
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:28:27 GMT


hi all..

	On the subject of the guitar solo in Fixing a Hole..

	The effect used on the guitar is called "MRB"  this
stands for Mid Range Boost.  This effect became a prominent
feature of Vox Amplifiers after they were bought out (in the
usa) by Thomas Organ Co.  I remember one blurb I read from
Vox stating something like "John Lennon was so knocked out
by the MRB sound etc.."  The basic effect had three separate
settings, 1, 2, and 3.  I know I'm dating myself but in those
days I was (was??) a Beatle maniac, so I not only loved they're
music I played it in many bands with the original equipment.
	This same effect is also used on the Hollies song Carousel
on the beginning guitar.
	It really doesn't matter if I'm wrong or right, where
I belong I'm right, where I belong..

	Regards,
		Doug
	
-- 
Douglas White                         douglas@wpi.wpi.edu
Dept. of Chem. Eng.                   
WPI
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Welcome
Summary: What was that?
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:52:59 GMT

Saki writes:
> - Are you new to the newsgroup? *Before you post*, ask for one or both
>   Nems Notes---a brisk, succinct Frequently-Asked-Questions list that 
>   may answer your query...or inform you that we already know about the
>   "Paul Is Dead" hoax or whether "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" was
>   *really* an acronym for LSD. (It wasn't. :-) And if you're ready for 
>   the graduate-level Frequently Asked Questions, ask for Nems II. 
>   (Specify NEMS or NEMS II).
>
>- "Introduction to rec.music.beatles", wherein you can learn
>   how this newsgroup works, guidelines on how to post, etc. (INTRO).
> (------------------- a lot of stuff deleted ------------------------)
>And one more thing: now that you've read everything and are ready
>to post, do try to remember several points of netiquette:
> (------------------ another lot of stuff deleted -------------------)

Now, what did you exactly mean by your posting?
That it is banned to post in This Noble Group for simlpe-minded
people? That everyone must pass some special courses before you
kindly allow him/her to post here?
Are you maybe planning to organize some beatle-maturity exams
before admiting anybody to This Noble Group?
If so, then goodbye.

Waiting for your answer before I unsubscribe from r.m.b.

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From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: First Ringo Album
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:22:58 GMT
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.

In rec.music.beatles, spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:

> I'm following discussion of Ringo Starr's albums. Didn't Ringo
> release a 1971 album before "Ringo" in 1973 that consisted of
> remakes of old 50s songs. 
> Does anyone know the name of this album? I don't believe it was
> the commercial blockbuster that "Ringo" in 1973 was.
> Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkeley.edu  ______sig.alert______

Ringo put out a collection of standards, not necessarily 50's songs, more
like 30's and 40's songs.  The album, as I recall, was called Stardust.
He did it for his mum, he said at the time.  

Now, I have a question for the Beatles experts out there:

Having been a Beatles fan -and- a Jack Bruce fan since they both came
out, I've often wondered if the Peter Brown that is many times mentioned
in Beatles lore is the same Peter Brown that has been Bruce's lyricist 
since around '66. 


And, if someone might add, what was Peter Brown's involvement with the
Beatles aside from calling John and Yoko to tell them they can get
married in Gibralter?

Geez, you think you know something about the Beatles. . .

Dennis Alstrand
HP Reponse Center
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:24:49 GMT

CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>>Flame Generator: George on the other hand, doesnt seem to have the technique
>>one would expect from a man of his stature....

Agree! Check out the new live album and compare George's solos with Clapton's.
What a difference.
George's fingers seem to get stuck between the strings from time to time.
And still he has been able to do such beautiful solos in the studio.
I assume there was a lot of trial and error there...
Listen to the "Can't buy me love" version found on Ultra Rare Trax #2!

Christer
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "All This and World War II"?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:26:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug31.132748.12123@udel.edu> galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska) writes:

>>"All This and World War II" was the soundtrack to a movie of the same
>>name.  Someone (I don't recall who) had the brilliant idea of taking
>>footage from WWII and putting it to covers of Beatle tunes.

>>I think this film got much less exposure than "Sgt. Pepper" (produced
>>by Robert Stigwood, who had just done "Saturday Night Fever", the biggest
>>selling soundtrack album of all time) and the double LP soundtrack was
>>rereleased under another name. 

>Actually, it had the same name (at least when first released)....

I know that.  It was first released as "All This and World War II".
It had some pix from the film and a fancy box package.

It was rerelease some months later (minus all the fancy photos from
the film and the box) in a standard double sleeve with a title like
"The Biggest Acts in the World Play the Songs of Lennon/McCartney".
I still can't recall what the rerelease name actually was, but my
brother has it. I think I'll have to ask him....

>The album has its moments (Elton with "Lucy", Stewy with "Get Back", Gabriel
>with "SFF"), but isn't a particularly good collection of covers....

Agreed.

						James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan