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From: perez@seismo.CSS.GOV (Ricardo L. Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WASHINGTON SUCKS SHIT!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224951.7252@nmsu.edu>, wlittle@dante.nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:
> 
You also know in your heart that that call was
> BULLSHIT@!!@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Wes

In my heart, I thought the call was fair. The ball never left
his hand.  I do admit that Smith's knee/knees were on the
ground when he tried to roll the ball out of the end zone, and
it should of been a safety.  I was prepared for the safety
because "in my heart" I though we'd get the ball back and kick
a field goal.  But as you say, the refs were on our side that
day, and we won anyway.

Rick P.
- - - - -
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WASHINGTON SUCKS SHIT!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:44:41 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics


B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S


In article <1992Dec16.231009.8348@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
> <SLANE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>   So it was possibly a dubious call but what have the Cowgirls lost
>>   by losing this game .... they will still win the division , they would
>>   not have taken home field advantage from the 49ers even with a win , so
>>   what's all this whining about. Dallas had their chances in the game
>>   and if they are as good as you all make out  , should have wrapped it up
>>   long before THAT play. They even had time to drive downfield afterwards
>>   and blew it - why not whine about that instead.
> 
> Bingo.  And most Cowboy fans admit it.
> 
> 
> 						Al
> 						alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu

Really. I for one remember quite clearly a certain "Incomplete Backwards
Pass" in the Browns/Oilers wildcard game several years ago (among other
referee flobs :/ which should have been a Browns' TD.

It's over with, get on with your life!

-Garrett

B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S B R O W N S 

GO BROWNS!
From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ray Handley Firing
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:07:51 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR European Development Center

Can anybody confirm / deny this?  I would rely like to return home to find
a team I can be proud of again!

Maybe there really is a Santa Clause.

In article <1992Dec18.180818.821@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>One of the local Dallas newscasters is Craig James, the former SMU and
>New England running back.  A few days ago there was an onwer's meeting
>in Dallas and James was there bugging the owners.
>
>Last night James reported that Handley would be gone after the season,
>and that Bill Parcells was talking to the Giants owner about rebuilding
>the team.  I don't know his sources, but he has scooped the rest of the
>media before (he also flopped once or twice).
>
>This would be good news for the Giants, because if Parcells returns, so
>will LT.  This would be bad news for the rest of the NFC East.

Any rumors on what will happen with Simms?  And will they dump HorseHead?

Actually, any rumors / information would be appreciated as it is a little
difficult for me to get any decent Giants information.
>
>Nix

go giants ( maybe next year )
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:50:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:10:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)
Subject: Re: Elway Status
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:39:22 GMT

In article <16007@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>What exactly is the nature of Elway's injury?  I saw the hit that he
>took and it didn't look that severe yet it hasn't played a down since.
>In the morning game that week Warren Moon was hammered three or four
>times with hits that look much more damaging yet he finished the game.
>If fact I think I heard that he finished the game with a fractured arm.

Elway suffered a bruised tendon in his right (throwing) shoulder.
Also he took 2 hits on the shoulder, the first when he ran for the
1st down, and the second on his next pass when he tackled the guy
who intercepted his pass.

He has been throwing every day this week and has not had any
pain as a result.  He will play against Seattle on Sunday.
However, Vance, Gaston, Derrick Russel, and Arthur Marshall are
all not playing, and probably Clarence Kay will be out also,
so there ain't a whole hell of a lot of offense, and if any
of the starters go down, the Broncs will be in DEEP DOO DOO,
(as if they arn't already).

I do look for them to win, just because of the Mile High Magic (tm).

>
>Speaking of playing with guts...
>
>Ronnie Lotts performance last weekend was incredible.  It was almost sad
>to watch him playing his heart out, making bone jarring tackles on almost
>every play, only to lose in defeat.  
> 

Indeed, I think I counted 7 tackles in a row!  and not one was 
anything less than bone jarring!  The guy is just awesome!

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Go Broncos!  

Tom.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ray may be GONE
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:13:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




Hi,

The New York Daily News reports that GIANTS head coach Ray Handley will be
fired upon the completion of this season.

Handley was interviewed on ESPN and stated that he'd like the challenge of
re-building the team but would understand if GIANTS management chose to go
with someone else.  Whadda guy... first he destroys the team and now he'd
like the challenge of rebuilding!

All I have to say is:

WO HOO!!!  THANK YOU WELLINGTON MARA!!!  JUST WHAT I WANTED FOR CHRISTMAS!!


satish nair
giants (5-11 in '92)


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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Leroy Butler v. Rod Woodson (was Re: Leroy Butler)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163015.4944@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.202901.28344@pellns.alleg.edu>, freshlt@quig16.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) writes...
> 
> >	Yes but this was completely different from Rod Woodson's hit  
> >on Moon.  Butler's hit came, as you say "many seconds after Andre  
> >Ware had gotten a pass off".  In Woodson's case, Moon was in the act  
> >of throwing the ball when he was hit by Moon.  Result=  Butler-  
> >illegal hit (cheap shot),   Woodson - good, legal hit.
> 
> Once again, Butler's hit was not "many seconds" after the pass was 
> released.  The league has said that the problem they have with the hit 
> was not the timing or even the severity of the hit (Ware didn't even 
> go down) but the fact that Butler left his feet to deliver the blow.
> 
> If he hadn't done that it wouldn't even have been noticed.
> 
> JGH

Butler, in the afforementioned play, was about two to three "running"
strides away from Ware at the time of release, but leapt after taking 
one more stride, hitting Ware in the head (a no-no in itself).  Blows to
the head have long been illegal, quarterback or not.  The play should
have been called by the ever observant referee :-) as personal foul,
flagrant foul, and disqualification.  Jack Lambert had this very same
thing called on him on a number of his hits, which prompted him to
urge quarterbacks to cross-dress.

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!
 
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Ed DeBartolo vs Norman Braman (Re: Young vs. Randall)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:20:23 GMT

In article <102310@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> I can't believe that I'm actually going to defend someone like Norman
> Braman but... he is a businessman, he bought the Eagles as a business
> investment and it's an investment that paid off great dividends over
> the last few years.

I'll say.  He purhased the team for around $60M and it's now worth over
twice that.

> As Ed DeBartolo would be quick to tell you, to date
> the Niners organization has netted little or no revenue for him.  Yes
> he has a winning team but due to big contracts, lavish player incentives
> and other such perks, he is making very little on his investment.  So

I'll take your word on this.

> it's a matter of different philosphies... either have a winning organization
> (i.e. 4 Super Bowls, consistent division championships, satisfied players,
> etc. etc.) or make some money on your investment.

But Braman lies about his philosophy.  He tells everybody that he is
dedicated to winning and that he will spend the money to bring in the
players and coaches that will make that happen.  Of course, he raised
the ticket prices a week after his statements.  And yes, he signed
Herschel Walker over the offseason, but the Eagles didn't have a #1
pick in this year's draft.  If the Eagles had to spend $1M or more to
sign a first round pick you know Herschel wouldn't be wearing an Eagles
uniform this year.  And if an owner's intent is to win the SuperBowl,
as prmoised, why hire a coach with no experience to take your team to
that next level?  I'll tell you why, because it's only costing him
$200K/yr.

I have no problem with Braman making money because professional sports
is a HUGE business.  But it's the way he's going about it that bothers
me and the city of Philadelphia.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: lgoodfie@sobeco.com (l.goodfield)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana to start next week??
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:29:27 GMT

Bottom line; the 49ers know how to win better than any other team over the
last decade. It really doesn't matter who the QB is (Young, Montana, Bono).

I would like to see Montana used in a limited role in the last 2 regualr
season games just in case something does happen to Young; his style of play
makes him an injury candidate regardless of how strong he is.

go 49ers: First 5 time SuperBowl champs.

Lionel.
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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Greatest team, Bret Favre and Vikes
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:28:57 GMT

In article <BzFAFt.ErG@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>Thanx for ur concern for the Viking fans.  We need a lot
>of that....:-):-)....
>
>Anyway....my nightmare is: Holmgren and his Pack celebrating
>the NFC-Central Championship at the Dome with a shattered
>Green looking on with lumps in his throat....
 ^^^^^
      |-- like in GREEN BAY PACKERS?!  
Could this be a signal of things to come?  I hope so, but not holding my
breath.  
 Wouldn't that be Grand!?  

Remember,  You heard it here First.

Dan


>U don't know how devastating it is to lose a big lead
>and then see it go down the drain.....But we Vikes'
>fans are used to these chokes in the past.
>
>IMO, Green deserves the NFC Central after what he has
>done this season.

But so does Holmgren, after all Holmgren is doing his actions at the end
of the season, so hopefully it will carry into the playoffs.

>
>Will wait & watch.
>S.H
>Will  the Vikes break my heart in 1992.
>
From One Packer Backer -- I hope so.

8-))
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dominant Teams of the Nineties
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:36:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec18.131543.592@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.ed
u writes:
>In article <102355@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) wr
ites:
>>
>> Here's who I see dominating over the next decade:
>>
>> Cowboys- they're young and talented.  Very little holes to fill.
>> Steelers- they need some help at WR, maybe another pass rusher but otherwise
>>        should be strong for a while.
>> San Fran- so what else is new?
>> Minnesota- some help on the O line, a decent QB and they're set.
>> Packers- another WR to compliment Sharpe, some help with the O line.
>>
>> This doesn't include major overhauls resulting from coaching changes (like
>> with the case of the Vikings this year).
>>
>> Anyone like to add to this?
>>
>>
>> satish nair
>> giants (5-11 in '92)
>      Kansas City-  They now have a decent QB that they can use until they
>  Get a younger one.  Their D is one of the best.  The Turnover ratio is
>about a +20 this season (how many teams can claim this?)  Even if they are not
>a Dominate team they still will de a team that you can't look past
Washington Redskins- Coach Joe Gibbs, a solid core of players supplemented by
great drafts, willingness to spend money on talent, and amazing fan support
should keep this team competitive well into the 21st century, especially with
free agency and all the increased revenue from a new stadium.  The team takes
care of its players, they love it here.  The Skins of the 1980's and 1990's
will go down as one of the best teams ever.


>Darin
>Go Chiefs
>
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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:59:20 GMT
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All of us have seen what a media-orchestrated circus.. no, make that 
a one-man circus can do. What is the award about anyway? Best college 
football player in the country. Then they said best 'offensive' football
player in the country. ok. The mediots have *no* clue whatsoever. 

Lets consider the 3 'candidates' they took to NY 

Faulk:  

1600+ yds rushing. Granted, he played in the WAC. But look 
at what he did in *BIG* games.

        USC: 220 yds
        UCLA: 148 yds
        BYU: 299 yds
        Hawaii: 300 yds

Ok, throw out Hawaii. Bad run defense. Take the other 3 games. Pretty good.
What was the SDSU record in those 4 games, 2-1-1 [easily should have been
3-1-0]. And Faulk was the reason they won all those games. Yes, its a team
sport, but they wouldn't have stood a chance without him.

He missed 2 games at the end, and *still* lead the nation in rushing.


Torreta:

Yes, he's got the stats. 3000+ yds. Bunch of TDs. 7 INTs. But what did
he do in the BIG games.

        PennSt: 80+ yds
	Syracuse: 300+ yds, 0 TDs, 3 INTs
        FSU: I don't know, but tell you what, I saw that game and
             he really stunk up the joint that day. 
             
What a joke. This guy ain't the best QB in the country, let alone best
football player. 

They keep pointing to his 25-1 record. Why are they including last year's
record? This is not a lifetime achievement award. This year 11-0. They
say, he just wins. Miami wins bcoz of the DEFENSE, NOT TORRETA. So why
not hand over the Heisman to their LB Barrow who seemed to make every big play
in those 3 games [I still can't forget his tackle on a 4th and 1 in the
PSU game on his own 10 yd line. Speed!].


Hearst:

1500+ yds, [thats less than what Faulk got in 2
fewer games], 21 TDs. What did he do in big games?

        Florida: 40+ yds (60+ yds catches)
        Miss (or was it MissSt?): 40+ yds
	GTech: 100+ yds

Not Heisman material. 1500+ yds in the SEC. But mostly against weak SEC teams.
When it came to producing big against strong SEC teams? naw..



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From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jersey Numbering Question
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:21:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <13871@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:
>In <92335.234442RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>Does anyone out there know what the exact breakdown is for the correlation
>>between jersey numbers and positions.
>
>>This came up because I was just noticing how so many defensive ends have
>>either 56 or 99.
>
>>Like Al Noga, Chris Doleman, Reggie White, The late Jerome Brown, Lawrence
>>Taylor, Cortez Kennedy and others.  (forgive any errors).
>
>>Go VIKES
>
>  I'm doing this from memory, so no flames please
>
>  1..19  QuaterBacks,Kickers,Punters
> 20..49  Running Backs, Safties, Corners
> 50..59  Centers , Linebackers
> 60..69  Guards , DLine
> 70..79  Tackles, DLine
> 80..89  Wide Recievers
> 91..99  DLine, + ?
>
>
>   I think someone else, apart from Dl can wear 91..99, but can't
>remember offhand. Plus is there a seperate catogary for TE's ?
>   If anyone can correct me, go ahead.
>
>        Jon ( jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs )
>
Bennet of the Bills wears #97, and he is an OLB, so maybe linebackers can wear
#91-99.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Home field in the NFC
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:20:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.235928.1@vxcrna.cern.ch> bonvicin@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:

>It is possible that the 9ers are not much better this year than last year,

Are you nuts?  Ricky Watters by himself makes this a better team.  The OL
is playing better.  The offensive squad had adapted to Young and is the
best in the game.  Special teams is better.  The fans are noisier.  The
beer is colder and the cheerleaders are hotter -- oops, got carried 
away.

The Niners are much better than either of the last two seasons' versions,
mostly due to a credible running game.

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