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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:44:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.100728.6394@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	The Pentium seems like a little too much processor for the current
>	PC-Clone architecture and MS-DOS to handle, IMHO. I mean having
>	AT hardware compatibility.

Now there's understatement for you!  As far as I'm concerned, even a 386DX is
"too much processor" for the AT architecture, let alone a 486 or Pentium...


-- 
David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: boutwell@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Scott Boutwell)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:44:11 GMT

In article <1hjpouINN43b@gap.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>
>>Dislikes:
>
>> o CBM forbids internal expansion by owners
>
>	A very workable solution to this is to find a dealer
>who is more understanding of the user than C= apparently
>is, who is willing to honor your warranty despite your
>admission that you did open your computer.  Either that
>or lie through your teeth.  It is incredibly stupid and
>backwards for C= to void warranties because you told them
>you opened up your computer (mine was an A3000).  It is
>even more incredulous when they show you how to open up
>your computer and install all sorts of peripherals
>without any sort of disclaimer.
>
>	As for going to my closest dealer and having them 
>open it for me, mine is 25 miles away, how about yours?
>
>--Andre
>
>-- 
>             Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2)

I was wondering when someone would address this issue...  Byte hit the
nail right on the Head with this one.  Commodore should really listen to
this one.  Alot of us don't have access to a Authorized service center in
our town.  Closest Authorized service center is 100+ miles from the
Tri-Cities.  The Cost of shipping a system and insuring it to have things
put in the system is rediculous.  Let's face it Commodore needs to quit
being so restrictive with their warranties.  If you are going to waranty
something then do it.  Gold service you say is available.  But what if you
decide not to purchase it when it is time to reapply for it.  You no
longer have any coverage on your system.  And you will have to find a
Service center to repair your system.  Commodore needs to work out
something with the Affiliate Dealers for cheaper training of people to
become authorized to work on these things.  If someone has a better idea I
would like to hear it.  This is the only thing that I can think of that
will solve this problem.

Scott Boutwell

---SAB
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:26:06 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.144719.29087@sbcs.sunysb.edu> by dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio):

> >No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
> >systems, where each window can be dragged horizontally as well as vertically,
> >and applications have consistent user interfaces and know how to talk to each

> 	Funny, I can move both my windows and my screens both horizontally
> and vertically. It is a windowing system, with multiple screens. The Mac has

    Furthermore, OS/2 2.0 uses something similar to multiple screens,
    applications don't have consistent user interfaces, and nor do
    they all know how to talk to each other. So if we're ahead of the
    leading PC OS, we're not doing too badly.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:18:49 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > :     What worthwhile PC OS has programs with consistent user
: > :     interfaces?
:
: > Windows and OS/2.
:
:     Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS,
:

Why, because *you* don't consider it such?  Fortunately, there are millions
of people out there who don't consider you the ultimate authority in OS's.

:
:     [Snap]
:
:     It's how you cut and paste without resorting to the clipboard.
:     Clipboards are undesirable ways to transfer data. For example,
:     suppose I want to snap a column of article numbers out of a
:     MicroEMACS window, I hold down C= and drawn the rectangle around
:     the column.
:
:     Then to do something with the numbers, I can paste them as a
:     column (with an optional quote character), or I can paste them as
:     a line, with simple keystroke combinations.
:

Both Windows and OS/2 can do this, without extra software, although I'm
not sure about column insertion.

:
: > I always found the GUI performance of my 386+VGA to be as good as or better
: > than that of a stock A3000.
:
:     Perhaps because you don't switch between screens at all, or
:     because you are referring to just text mode apps, or because you
:     are used to funny window updates, or because you doze off when
:     updates happen. The bottom line is that the A3000 will be "fast
:     enough" in all cases, and will burn less CPU time being that fast.
:

Before Windows 3.1, my 386 PC was a bit slower in window updates.  With 3.1,
however, it became noticeably faster.  No, I'm not talking about screens, just
windows.

:
: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
:
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From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: request for "signatures" on petition to SSI
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:17:30 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

Hello--

I have inquired recently about SSI and EA dropping Amiga support for their
work.  While it appears EA is solid behind the Amiga, after I talked to
an SSI representative today, she confirmed that "...no new products will
be converted to the Amiga unless the market situation changes..."  She
said that they are losing thousands of dollars for every game they convert
to the Amiga, and the market simply isn't the US for their work.

    	I asked if letters sent to SSI would help, and she indicated that
they would.  So, here is the address below:

		SSI
		675 Almanor Ave.
		Suite 201
		Sunnyvale, CA 94086
		(408) 737-6800.

	I also am soliciting "signatures" for the petition below,
to be sent to SSI (if anyone has any better ideas on the wording or actions
in general please e-mail me directly).

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please continue to support the large and growing Amiga market via continued
development and porting of SSI works for the Amiga series of computers.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have more than an altruistic motive in this--I am very interested in having
them port one of their new games, Pacific War.

					-Mike Traynor

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy)
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:34:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.052646.3297@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:
>cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy) writes:
>
>>  I suggest everyone look into the Mitsuibishi Diamondscan 1381A.  It handles
>>every AGA mode fine, has NO centering problems, and can also handle
>>composite input.  I just got mine from Source Electronics for only $260,
>>so it is a good deal too.
>
>Say what jack?  Is this a new years day joke?  $260?
>Can handle all aga modes fine? 
>Can't look much worse than the crappy C= a1960's do?
>Are you sure it handles productivity modes?
>
   No, no joke.  I only got mine 3 days before coming home for break, so
I have not had time to do a thorough analysis, but I did try every
possile combination from the 3.0 display database, and the 1381A
synced quickly to every single one of them, and had no problem centering,
even without using the VGA only toggle.  I refuse to comment on display
quality after only 3 days of use, other than to say it did not jump
out at me and say "bad"....  I used the composite input and
watched Dances With Wolves, and that definately looked good.
   I will post more after I get back to school  and can put the 
monitor through its paces.

(**************************************************************)
(*    Chris Dunphy         |     Amiga 4000 & Amiga 1000      *)        
(* cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu    | I've got the first, and I've got *)
(*         or              | the best.  Now all I need is a   *)
(* cmd1@cec2.wustl.edu     | toaster to call my own....  :)   *)
(**************************************************************)
From: Steve_Halliburton@naraltd.raider.net (Steve Halliburton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:25:17 CST
Organization: Narabedla Limited BBS

Hi, Mr. Stephenson!

Since you seem to know so much about OS/2, I wondered if you could answer
me this question: How do I know what the files on my HPFS partition are?
You see, all I have are these things called objects, and a lot of them,
while they look different, take me to the same place. I'm afraid I've lost
my place in the metaphor. I just want to know how many files I have, so I'm
not surprised when the DISK FULL warning comes around. I think all these
redundant links are eating away my system resources, but without a clearly
visible file structure on my desktop, I'm confused. And I'm afraid to
frivolously delete icons, because what if one of them turns out to be
important?

I'm sure that if I spent some more time learning OS/2, I'd know this stuff.
But the thing is, I need to know NOW. You see, on the Mac, I know where to
find stuff. Folders are not that hard to navigate. The same with drawers on
the Amiga. OK, so maybe some things on the Amiga are not as convenient, but
that's because it's more flexible and has to allow for a few more options.

But OS/2 is too flexible, and it's tied itself into a knot on my
486DX/2-66. (Okay, it's not mine, it's the school's.)

OBJECTS ARE FINE IN OS DESIGN--NOT ON DESKTOPS.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

 /|  /| /|  / /~~  /|
/-| / |/ | / (_I~ /-|  1000, 512K, one floppy!
a n d   s t i l l ,   l i f e   i s   g o o d!
Steve_Halliburton@naraltd.raidernet.com
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 3 Jan 93 09:47:34 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1i23i9INNshi@uwm.edu>, bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> In article <C05vFC.IIv@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   No, they are development tools.  Pretty simple concept to me, really.  Just
>>because something isn't a productivity application doesn't mean it is a game.
> 
	[deleted]

>>   No I don't, but I wouldn't touch an Amiga spreadsheet with a ten-foot
>>pole.  I know people who have tried composing the figures of business reports
>>with Amiga spreadsheets, and they did nothing but complain about them.
> 
	I spent a half-hour or so playing with Procalc and, quite frankly,
	it did not look *that* bad.  It was no Excell definately but it had
	a nice mouse oriented operation and seemed pretty intuitive.  I have
	access also to some older versions of 1-2-3 and if ProCalc compared
	favorably with 123 2.0 I would find it adequate probably.

	The charts and plotting options seemed weak though.  If I thought
	it was basically solid, I would probably buy it.  I don't really 
	need all the features of Excell.  Of course not being a spreadsheet
	guru, I'm a little short on knowledge.  Any spreadsheet gurus out
	there who have used Excell and ProCalc?

> 
> Greg
> 
> --
> (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
> (: "Our father, who art in Iowa, Hollow be thy head, Thy ideas run    :)
> (:  Thy will be done, At Commodore as it is at Apple"  -Dan Barrett   :)
> (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: () :) :) :) Wubba, the Dark Angel :)
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:58:46 GMT
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Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
: >
: >   The first 386s came out in 1986.  That's a one-year wait.  As I said, the
: > original ISA bus was fine for 8088 and 80286 systems.  It wasn't until the
: > first 386 systems came out that the ISA bus broke down.
:
: Its  still  a  6-7 year wait from when the IBM first came out.  ISA sucked,
: even  before  the  386.  It was "fine" for a 286, but only because that CPU
: wasnt fast enough to really bring out the inadequecies [sp?] of ISA.
:

Duh.  And Zorro is "fine" for a 68030, but only because that CPU isn't fast
enough to really bring out the inadequacies of Zorro.

: >
: >   Hardly.  The Zorro III bus is simple and sweet.  It works with the Moto
: > 68000 series, and only with the Moto 68000 series.  It has few facilities to
: > take advantage of advanced 64-bit RISC processors, for example, as
:
: Same  as  EISA,  which  is the only 32 bit fast slot system that is actualy
: being supported to any degree..
:

EISA isn't tied to Intel CPUs.  Hewlett-Packard's PA-RISC workstations have
the EISA bus.

:
: True.   However,  adding  multitasking  to  MS-DOS  (Windows)  and  the Mac
: (multifinder)  did  not  cause the majority of software to break (not run).
: Adding  memory  protection  to  the  Amiga would cause nearly EVERYTHING to
: break!
:

Why?  Bad OS design, maybe?
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|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:01:51 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood

In article <6905@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King) writes:
>In article <C01HAx.LGq@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>> ...  Commodore's problem is that the bulk
>>of their sales are to these electronically-ignorant individuals who use their
>>computers as home computers.  
>
>People who use their computers as 'home computers' are not necessarily
>electronically ignorant.
>
>The people who know more-than-average about computer hardware and/or software 
>are more often the ones buying Amigas because they can see the advantages
>of a truly superior system without being blinded by marketing hype. 
>
>People who know nothing about computers buy PCs. 
>
>End of argument.
>-- 
>                       Se non e` vero, e` ben trovato 
>     ...{utzoo|mnetor}!dciem!dretor!king        king@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca


Now I resent that remark! I personally would love to buy and use and Amiga
but due to fate, all the software I HAVE to and WANT to run is on the IBM.

Considering all the drawbacks that the IBM and windows and dos has, I think
that the average pc user has to learn more about computers.
Amiga is a surperior computer but don't belittle those who don't own one.
Rob Merritt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:41:33 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec26.205840.14615@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:

> :     So you can scroll one screen down to reveal part of the one below
> :     it?  And applications can use the OS to create split screens? Is
> :     that what you're talking about, or are you just setting yourself
> :     up for yet another "oh, I misread"?

> John, do you have to be such an asshole all the time?  Why are you taking
> statements out of context?  I admitted my mistake, and got flamed for it.
> Here's John, the man who never makes mistakes.

    Are you going to call me names or are you going to answer the
    first part of that paragraph you've quoted?

> :     What we have is a concept that fits the hardware like a glove,
> :     which provides a variety of benefits. One of which happens to be
> :     this "extending real-estate" thing. The concept does not live or
> :     die based on the real-estate benefit, so even now when huge
> :     Workbench screens can be created, we still have screens.

> Nevertheless, we were talking about extending real-estate.  The subject
> of Windows multiscreen implementations came up.  Did I ever say anything

    Dan specifically listed a handful of things he thought screens
    were good for, revolving around screen real estate. This is a
    related article. It is reasonable to try and emphasise that real-
    estate is not the only reason to have screens.

> about them being *better* than Amiga screens?  Why did you have to blow
> up in my face?

    Blow up? It isn't me calling people assholes.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:36:20 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
:     You are trying to dismiss the current stance taken by most of the
:     computer industry as just my opinion.
:

Most of the computer industry believes that Windows is not a worthwhile OS?
I wasn't aware of this.

:
:     Do you even admit that DOS is a broken vestige of the past?
:

Sure it's an antique, but why is it broken?  It works just fine.  BTW, when
did this discussion shift from Windows to DOS?

:
:     Are
:     you aware that Microsoft themselves are writing a replacement for
:     Windows, "Windows NT", in order to elevate Windows to the level
:     that OS/2 2.0 is already at?
:

And Plan 9 is supposed to replace Unix.  Does that mean that Unix is not
a worthwhile OS?

:
: > It was hard to tell, comparing a stock A3000 and my 386 with ET4000 VGA,
:
:     And yet you calmly said that your 386's GUI performance had always
:     been as good as or better than an A3000. Good stuff.
:

It *was* always better, because Windows was moving 256-color graphics on an
800x600 screen, while the Amiga had 4 colors at 640x400.

:
: > Have you ever heard of software that *didn't* have room for performance
: > improvement?  If you think you have, you're badly mistaken.
:
:     Not at all! But I remember people arguing before 3.1 that the
:     Windows GUI performance was slow, and that the way Windows did
:     updates was crippling it. You and people like you emphatically
:     denied that, saying how cheap it was to get various graphics
:     cards to boost performance.
:

It wasn't slow, but it certainly had room for improvement, just like
everything does.

:
: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
:
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|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV console due soon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:17:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>
>Does anyone have the dates handy for the upcoming CES?

Jan 7-10, 1993. Las Vegas, Nevada. If you plan to go, book
a hotel room yesterday cuz yer already late!

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Alien Dreams Department
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:25:31 GMT

In article 34652 Paul Prescod writes:
>If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
>"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.
>An A500/A600 is a toy.

*WRONG*, it's exactly what you want it to be.

>We were talking about computers, not consoles.  I can get a PC for
>$29.95.  I wouldn't want to, though.  Let's see you do something
>useful on a computer with no hard drive and 1 MB of RAM.

To be honest with you, I know of lotsa IBMers with impressive setups (don't want to
get to know them, they such ignorant assholes) who doesnt know the meaning of the word
binary", yet here's me with a toy -*programming*.


/Mattias

_______
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions about new computers/future chipsets
Reply-To: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us
X-Software: Legend (216-825-2747) UUCPShell v4.9/med20Dec92
X-Disclaimer: Opinions of users do not necessarily reflect those of managment
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:23:31 EST
Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

I have an easier time working with surface mount than I did socketed 
chips. Surface mount is so advantagous over socketed chips. 
   Mark