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               Brilliant  

         Straight Egyptian Colt for sale
           
               Tassan Tayyir

Brilliant,  grey  weanling  colt,  born  7/6/92,  with a very  friendly
disposition.  Good legs and smooth topline with intelligent personality
and  willingness  to  be  your  friend.  Possible  Stallion   prospect,
(really, I am quite picky about this) son of National Top Ten  futurity
Stallion  Mosry+++  and out of a Moniet  El  Sharaf  daughter  who is a
Babson Tail Female with Ansata Ibn Halima  cross.  Tayyir  will be very
tall for an Arab,  probably  at least  15.1,  both his sire and dam are
over 15.1, and he is growing fast.

Tayyir is Al Khamsa, Blue List,  Straight  Egyptian but he is not Sheyk
Obeyd and this is the ONLY reason I am selling him..  


$3500.00 or Negotiable with reserved breedings



Also For Sale 

Full Sister To Tayyir, 
			  FLASHY
			Tassan Aisha 

2 yr old 14.2 hd (and  growing)  Chestnut  filly with  flaxen  mane and
tail,  extremely  athletic and  personable.  Stretchy,  high trot and a
pretty  face make this  filly a prime  Amateur  Bonanza  prospect  or a
definite  dressage/Show  Hack mare.  Although, with her bloodlines  she
should  produce  well.  Trained to show at halter,  clip,  trailer  and
voice  commands.  She has had ground work  including  work with a light
surcingle and light english saddle on.  (she is too young to be ridden)

She is nominated  for the Breeders  Sweepstakes  futurity and will come
with your choice of  breedings to either of two Sheyk Obeyd  Stallions.
(AH Ahrah (posted previously) or AH Asharq, last Sheyk Obeyd descendant
of El Hilal and also Alcibiades Grandson)



Once again, Aisha is Al Khamsa, Blue List, and Straight Egyptian but she is
not Sheyk Obeyd and this is the ONLY reason I am selling her..
(Note that she does have a proportion  of original  Crabbet blood as do
ALL living "Straight" Egyptians)


$4500.00 

Call me and lets talk.

Donna "taking the plunge into Sheyk Obeyd " Griffiths
Tassan Egyptians
2300 ECR 36
Ft. Collins, CO
80525
303-225-0505
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From: crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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Subject: Re:  Appy
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:14:37 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

With an Appy you have the "horse of a different color" each year.  But
usually if there are any mottled areas under the tail - there will be
spots - any place.  Remember the stallion has a lot to do with the
off springs too.
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From: detoro_l@watson.bms.com (Lauren Detoro (609) 252-4251)
Subject: ....
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:05:00 GMT
From: kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Medieval Times dinner theater
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:41:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Seems I will shortly be traveling east for the holidays, so I thought
how nice it would be to include an evening at Medieval Times in New
Jersey.  I recall it being mentioned that coupons are commonly
available.  As it is hard enough to justify the cost of this luxury, I
would appreciate any information as to where I might locate such
coupons.

--Ken Carver
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From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Subject: >A Hard Keeper
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:10:44 GMT


In response to Sarah's letter about tying-up:
                  Tying-up in horses is due to the muscles not being warmed
up properly.It occurs mainly in the hindquarters and rump.
Tying-up occurs mostly in cold weather when the horse is exercised without
being warmed up.Just like human athletes warm up before exercise,so horses
should be allowed to warm up gradually before strenuous exercise.
Tying-up is due to an excess of lactic acid in muscle,due to strenuous
demands being made on cold muscles(warm muscle is way more efficient at 
using energy aerobically,which does not produce lactic acid)
It is characterised by a stiffness in the hindquarters and a reluctance on
the horse's part to go forward freely.
The effects can be harmful as lactic acid destroys muscle cells.
I can't remember the treatment but I know that rest is essential.
(By the way,as an extra precaution a light blanket can be worn on the 
hindquarters during exercise.This helps to keep the muscles warm)

     Kevin
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
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Subject: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:49:00 GMT
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Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu

TB . Try again for next Wednesday night, Dec 16th, same times (5:45 PST, 6:45MST,
TB . 7:45 CST, 8:45 EST), again at 14.270 + or - 10.  I'm not quite ready to
TB . give up yet!  I want to talk to some you other netters!  Hope to hear 
TB . the Equestrian Net next week!

For those of us just getting into the ham thing, could you post a few 
items?  I can't find an electronics store in this area (other than Radio 
Shack which doesn't have much) that carries Ham equipment/literature.  I 
bought the Radio Shack book on the no-code Technician license, but it's 
just a Technician test study guide.  I'm looking for:

1.  a mail-order source of equipment
2.  a mail-order source of literature

Thanks,

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: History of Dressage v2.01
Date: 20 Dec 1992 23:25:13 GMT
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In article <1gti4pINNet3@rave.larc.nasa.gov> patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:
>
>Where should I start......_Ecole de Cavalerie_ means "Schooling
>of the Horse" NOT "The Calvalry School" Have you ever read it?

Well, I hesitate to get into this, because I don't really CARE where
dressage started, only that its principles are now available to me.
But I just wanted to point out that in my French-English dictionary,
Cavalerie is translated as cavalry.  Of course Ecole means school, so
I would think Ecole de Cavalerie means cavalry school, whereas school
for horses would be Ecole des chevals.  Any French majors out there?

-Sarah Pallas

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From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Subject: Re: Arabians
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:21:05 GMT

On the subject of 'bay' horses with white tails:

Wasn't there a horse in the Kentucky Derby a few years ago that was
named 'Silver Ending' (or something similar) because of the white hairs
in his tail?  I'm pretty sure this horse was a bay.  As I recall, the
tail was made up of roughly 1/2 white and 1/2 black hairs.  The rest
of the horse looked like a prefectly ordinary bay.

Kristin
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From: corich_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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Subject: Selenium and Hard Keeper
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:28:15 NZST
Organization: Wellington City Council, Public Access.
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In an earlier posting someone was saying that when you feed selenium
supplements you need to feed Vitamin E

We are in a selenium nill area and have to ad it to the diet under vet
supervision yet the vet has never recommended adding Vitamin E.. cna someone
enlighten me.

And just to add to the hard keeper bit... Barley, either boiled or steam
flaked was the best way for my skinny thoroughbred . The other was adding
mollasses either to the feed or as a drink (also helps disguise anything
horrible in the food you may need to put in)

Alison, Wellington, New Zealand

Looking forward to the Xmas holidays which downunder coincide with long hot
summer days!!!!
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From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Tying up (Was:  Re: A Hard Keeper)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:10:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

 For all those interested in the current discussion on tying up, there is a
very good article in the January 1993 issue of Equus called "Tying Up".  It
describes the syndrome and it's causes, and relates it to the various connected
problems that have been discussed here.  The actual name for tying up is equine
rhabdmyolysis, or literally, "striped muscle dissolution".  It has been
researched as a disease for years, but they are finding that it isn't a disease
at all, but a symptom and result or outcome of several other diseases, which
accounts for all the different names for it.  [I personally question the word
disease, I think condition might be more accurate?]  Anyway, this article has a
lot of good information, even to pictures (not photos but representations) of
what equine rhabdmyolysis actually can do to the muscles in cases of varying
severity.  I won't go into any more here, anyone who is interested can find the
article and get it firsthand.  Just thought some folks might be interested,
since there have been so many questions and so many answers about the subject.

Deena Howe
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From: fks@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: Okay: 3rd time's a charm...
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:33:06

In article <1992Dec15.102032.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> > Why this fixation with riding bareback?  Why do you want to artificailly
> > limit yourself?  Besides totally screwing up your seat, you can't begin
> > to approach the things you can do in a saddle.  How dull.
> > 
> 
>As for seat, the most noticeable improvements in my seat have always come from
>riding bareback for a while.  You have to develop a good strong seat to keep
> .
> .
>  Basically, riding bareback allows you to build leg muscles and balance
>without depending on stirrups for position or support, gain a little shared
>warmth on those colder rides, and provides a more relaxed riding atmosphere for
>both horse and rider which can be a happy regular experience or a welcome 

There is one horse I ride that I would hate if I never rode her bareback. She
is bitchy and unpredictable, hates the geldings, and is afraid of the corner.
The only times she is pleasant to ride are when we do jumps (she loves
jumping!) and when I ride her bareback. Bareback, she becomes relaxed and 
easy, her gaits smooth out, she pays attention to me (instead of the other
horses and the scarey trees), and she stops rushing. Her canter is a dream.
When I've had a bad time on her, I try to end with a little bareback work 
so I like her again.

I don't know tack well enough to say if there's something wrong with her 
saddle, but the owners don't seem to think so. Since she's nice on the 
trail as well (fully tacked), I suspect it's just a work/pleasure thing. She
relaxes outside of her normal working mode.

Hm. Maybe I should try starting off bareback...

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From: mjackson@stsci.edu (Michelle Jackson)
Subject: EQUUS Subscription
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:21:15 GMT


What is the cost of a year's subscription to EQUUS magazine? 
What is the telephone number (toll free, if there is one) for 
the subscription department?

Thanks,
Michelle Jackson
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hello Horsey Hams and SWL's-
   This is a repost, as a reminder:

Try again for next Wednesday night, Dec 16th, same times (5:45 PST, 6:45MST,
7:45 CST, 8:45 EST), again at 14.270 + or - 10.  I'm not quite ready to
give up yet!  I want to talk to some you other netters!  Hope to hear 
the Equestrian Net next week!

					Teresa (N7KTG)
					Horses Leo, Ari, and Razzie

PS- I have a cold right now, so I think I'll be able to call, just listen
for someone that sounds like Kermit the Frog.  If I start to lose my voice,
I might ask that someone else take over as net control!
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stallions
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:47:32 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1gtpprINNesc@gap.caltech.edu>, deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.183222.6267@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>
>>I heartily second all the posts about being extremely careful around stallions.
>>Even a 'pussy cat' can turn into a tiger when there's a mare in heat around.
> 
> I agree with the general idea that you should be careful with stallions
> and not forget that they ARE stallions, and, in particular, keep
> an eye out for mares.  You have a responsibility when handling a
> stallion to be aware of what other horse handlers are doing around
> the stallion.
> 
> There is one idiot at our barn who is big into tackless training, and
> who lets his mare wander around without a halter & lead.  It apparantly
> took a long while to get it through his head that it was a Really Bad Idea
> to do this when a stallion was turned out in one of the paddocks!
> 
> However, I think a lot of stallions get to
> be dangerous when people treat them as if they will be dangerous.

I'm afraid I disagree with you here.  Stallions can be dangerous because
they are stallions.  Here in my state there is a law that a stallion can
only be turned out in a lot with six foot high fences.  This law has been
on the books for over 100 years and is sadly ignored for the most part.
Recently a local Appy stallion escaped from his lot (only fenced with
one strand of eleric fence) and traveled three miles (!) and was found
attempting to climb a fence to get in with a mare in heat.  Geldings don't
do things like this.

> They should abide by the same rules of good manners that a mare or
> gelding does, and the handler should discipline them appropriately.

Yes, I agree.  

> The degree of discipline depends upon the personality of the individual
> stallion.  I've seen people really lay into stallions for minor 
> transgressions.  If a young stallion nips at you, you should correct
> him, just as you would if a young filly nips at you.  A protracted
> beating with a whip is IMHO more likely to make him belligerant
> in the long run than to instill proper discipline.  Stallions
> aren't monsters, they are just horses to the nth degree.
> 
> 
> Debbie 
> deblev@ipac.caltech.edu

Talk to some people who routinely handle stallions.  I have.  Some of them
can be absolutely the best thing to handle with no problem, then suddenly
something will trigger them and they turn crazy.  One breeder I know says
her stallion is absolutely a sweetie until the young colts get about six
or seven months old.  Then he rages his stall, wanting to get out and kill
all the potential male rivals.  
The woman I know who was kicked in the head by her 24 year old stallion
had never had a moment's trouble with him before.  And she had had him all
his life!  
The thing you MUST remember is, stallions are very often have their brains
in only one place, and that's not in their heads!

Sue
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From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Subject: Re: Good grief, spurs, not stirrups!
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:58:52 GMT

In article <599.1002.uupcb@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net>,
steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) wrote:
> 
> To: jscott@adobe.com
> 
> JD . Which way up do English spurs go?  
> JD . 
> JD . On an English spur the point (the business end) seems to be at an angle
> JD . to the curved part that goes around the ankle.  I have not found a picture
> JD . in any of my horsie books of a rider with English spurs showing to use
> JD . as a reference.  The reference book I have mentions when to wear them, but
> JD . not how.  I have found a few pictures in catalogs.  State Line seems to
> JD . think the point goes up.  Rick's appears to be just as convinced that it
> JD . goes down.  Miller's doesn't sell any and doesn't show any on the boots
> JD . they sell.  My teacher said up, I think, but my new spurs have printing
> JD . on the inside with the makers name and if I point them up, the printing is
> JD . upside down.  
> JD . 
> JD . Can someone out there enlighten me before I go out and embarrass myself at
> JD . a (schooling) show?
> 
> I would assume that you're instructor knows best, if he/she/it is a 
> decent teacher.  Why are you wearing spurs at all, particularly pointed 
> ones?  Spurs are for advanced riders who know what they're doing, not 
> novices.  You EARN your spurs by learning to ride without them, then add 
> them to refine your aids.  Spurs are for aiding not punishing.
> 
> steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
> 

My instructor is an excellent teacher.  However, I don't think any
instructor is infallible, and I was curious about what, if anything, the
rest of the equine interested population thought.

I consider myself a novice in terms of showing horses and in their care
since I have been riding only about three years (with good instruction) and
I still lease rather than own a horse.  I am well aware of why and how aids
are used and  began to use them only after my instructor and myself were
convinced I could do so knowledgibly and safely.  I use spurs as aids, and
since I am riding my instructor's horse, I would be very surprised if I was
being allowed to use spurs for punishment.  

My question may have been naive, but it was not uninformed.  

Thanks for your response,

Joyce                                                       
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From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Subject: Re: Good grief, spurs, not stirrups!
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:46:36 GMT

In article <1glfupINNbt8@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
wrote:
> 
> Joyce D. Scott (jscott@adobe.com) wrote:
> 
> : Which way up do English spurs go?  
> 
> : On an English spur the point (the business end) seems to be at an angle
> : to the curved part that goes around the ankle.  I have not found a picture
> : in any of my horsie books of a rider with English spurs showing to use
> : as a reference.  The reference book I have mentions when to wear them, but
> : not how.  I have found a few pictures in catalogs.  State Line seems to
> : think the point goes up.  Rick's appears to be just as convinced that it
> : goes down.  Miller's doesn't sell any and doesn't show any on the boots
> : they sell.  My teacher said up, I think, but my new spurs have printing
> : on the inside with the makers name and if I point them up, the printing is
> : upside down.  
> 
> Oops one other thing.  If the spur had differnt length arms, the shorter one
> goes on the inside of your leg.  Does that help?
> 
> Karen

Interesting...
Although my spurs have even arms, I have seen ones with uneven ones and it
is good to know which way they go.  I have also seen them with what I think
are called rowels which is a toothed sort of shape that is on the part of
the spur that is angled toward the side of the horse.  These seem to me to
be very severe and more likely to acccidently make contact with the animal.
 

In any case, I am *extremely* short of leg and although my long legged
instructor has been advising me to wear the spur angled up, I may try them
down and see if I make better contact that way.

Thanks for the info,

Joyce (although I'm not sure Spiff will appreciate this)
From: GRS00008@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Stephanie Jane Yoder)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: clarification of book author
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:07:39 GMT
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the book Dark Horse listed in the fantisy section is by Mary Herbert.
she has the next one out called Lighting's Daughter.
i highly recomend to those who like medival type stuff

stef  or steph (the one who did the saddle)
grs00008@conrad.appstate.edu
Posted-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 8:48:16 CST
Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:48:48 CST
From: Pam Ohno Dagoberg <pamod@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: Snowballing
To: rec.equestrian
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 8:48:16 CST
Mail-Station: MN51-1335
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 Pat,
 
 I've ridden a mare that had a real tendency to get those nasty snowballs in her
 front feet for the last couple of winters.  Here in Minnesota the snow can
 get kind of soft and sticky and the snowballs in feet can get really big!
 
 Last winter the farrier put some "snowpads" on the mare's front feet.  These
 pads had convex circles in them, maybe three inches in diameter, to prevent 
 the snow from balling up.  This is the most effective method I have seen to
 keep snowballs out of feet, and I've tried Pam, vasoline, WD-40, and a ton
 of other things.  Until last winter I thought if I went for a trail ride I
 would just have to count on jumping off and picking out her feet anytime we
 went through any sizable amount of snow.
 
 By the way, the mare has normal flat pads on this winter and guess what?
 Snowballs!
 --
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From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Need two ISBNs
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:53:53 GMT

I would like to order the following books through my usual
bookshop, but apparently need ISBN numbers for it to work.

"Horses Seldom Burp" by Don Blazer

"Introduction to Target and Bridge Training" by Kayce Cover
  (mentioned in the December issue of Equus magazine)

Does anyone have the numbers handy?

Thanks!
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