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From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: BOOK ON LORD BUDDHA
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:36:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
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sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:
: HI ! I AM AN INDIAN AND KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LORD BUDDHA.
: COULD SOMEBODY SUGGEST ME A GOOD BOOK ON BUDDHA AND HIS TEACHINGS ?
: PREFERABLY IN ENGLISH. IT SHOULD INCLUDE HIS LIFE FROM CHILDHOOD TILL 
: NIRVANA AND ALL THE TEACHINGS. THANKS IN ADVANCE
: SARMA D.RAMALINGA
: EMAIL :SRAMALIN@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
: 
I guess very few people can help you since either they know lord buddha
but they don't know how to use computer or have access to this group but
have little knowledge about what you want.

Hopefully I am wrong.
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From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Information on Living and Eating in NY
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:56:47 GMT

Many of us who are going to go to New York will be concerned about 
living as well as eating in New York, time concern or money concern.
I had such experience this past weekend. Here is something for you 
information.

Living:  Sino-Chinese Inn   $20-$25,  + group discount
	 address: 414 west 46 street, 9-10 ave. NY
	 Phone:   212-582-2702

Eating:  Golden Plaza  (Szechuan and Hunan Cuisine)
	 address: 468 west 47 street, corner 10 ave. NY
	 phone:   212-956-8886

The two places are right at the center of the NY City, and are good to stay.

Zhiming
Univ. of Massachusetts
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: zhou en-lai and his chara
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:46:59 EST

In article: <1ehk5uINN69@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca>
   Subject: zhou en-lai and his chara
      From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan) write:


>"micky wong" (micky.wong@canrem.com) wrote:
>:
>: I'm very surprised with the recent comments reagrding Premier Zhou En-Lai,
>:
>: No matter how much crimes & atrocities that CCP, as a party, to have
>: mild but effective cures to save China from her overdose of the poison
>: "Communism".
>.........(deleted)

You have misquoted me, and your delete statement was at the wrong
place.   :-)

I hope this is caused by your clumsiness with the editor, not by some
ulterior motives.  :-)

>I totally agree with the points. We are young and have a lot to learn.
>I was shocked by those argument of which some are dirty. My question is
>not how bad or good the personal character of Zhou. My question is
>   What would you do if you were in his position?

Hypothetical questions could potentially be stupid questions. :-)

However, people in power will always need to make difficult decisions,
they are still judged by the consequences of these decisions.
For someone who never had political power, I can offer no answer to your
question.

The problem of the CCP is, they do not allow others to help in making
difficult decisions;
Recent decision of the TGD is one vivid example.
Killing innocent student demonstrators on the TAM is another.
The list can go on and on and on ................

For this, the price is: The CCP cannot escape from the accountability of
all the ills of today's China since 1949.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: wl8f@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Wei  Liu)
Subject: Look for Mr.Luo wei-ang at U.of Arkansas
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:15:38 GMT


Hi, everybody:

I lost connection with Mr.Luo, Wei-ang after he moved to Univ. of
Arkansaa at Fayetteville.  Any information is highly appreciated.  My
home phone is 804-979-3703. Please leave message.  Thanks!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: Feelings (A poem)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:00:57 GMT


                       Feelings

                                Tu Ya

          I looked through the air and see holes that bury smiles of
          different shapes;

          An ancient well, thousand-year graves.

          Many faces change colors, quickly decompose, no one
          recognizes the word "shame;" but all wear makeups;

          A ballrooms dance, no one sweats.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: "Democracy" snap shot in X-Soviet Amenia
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:49:58 GMT

Repost without permission:

October 14. BBC.

BBC reported yesterday from Caucasus: Fires are being burned in Yerevan streets
throught the nights as people are waiting for the morning hours to get
their bread ration. Due to the war with Azerbaijan and the instability in 
Georgia, Armenia is cut off the rest of the word. The industry is on the verge
of a total collapse. The farmers are often unable to gather their produce
because of the absence of fuel. Armenia is going to face its 4-th winter
without heating and hot water. In the area of Armenian earthquake
where 25.000 people died in 1988, 3/4 of the survivors are still
living in the temporary houses. The reconstruction of the region
is slowed down significantly.

Despite the current difficult situation, the population of Armenia
does not loose hope. The situation in the Republic is stable.

/The text is reproduced from memory, minor aberrations possible/
/ The bread ration in Armenia is 200 grams per day/person - A.K./
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From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Subject: Re: BEPC (Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
	<Bxop5G.KGF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <BxrxKI.LCw@cs.psu.edu>
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:51:13

>>>>> In article <BxrxKI.LCw@cs.psu.edu>
>>>>> "Jin-Yuan" == Jin-Yuan Wu <jyw@phys.psu.edu> writes:

  Jin-Yuan> BEPC is a well-designed machine. The experence of its
  Jin-Yuan> implementation tells us how a country with limited money to
  Jin-Yuan> develop sciences.

I attended a talk presented by Prof. Ye Minghan in NYC a few months ago,
which was about Sino-US scientific cooperation. Though China spends lots
valuable funding to build BEPC, it trains a whole crew of fine engineers and
developes high technology with the help of the USA. On top of my head, I
remember this example, China now has the capability to build high power
klystrons (which was banned to export to China) and even exports them to
Korea (for its light source) and Brazil (?). In a way, the BEPC experience
helps to push some industries to a new high level or even brand new
industries such as, ultra-high-vacuum tech, klystrons, ultra-stable
oscillatory circuits,...


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:21:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Nov16.192117.22252
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Nov15.200706.@> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>
>These policies are bound to change. If SUN strictly hires people without
>communist background, where would it get bargains like the backbone of
>former Soviet computer science for $5,000 per scientist per year? That's it,
>bussiness sense surpasses all.

Perhaps $50k?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:47:51 GMT

In article <BxrztD.7r@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>
>Each progress reported on People's Daily and/or any other medium is done 
>by many plain Chinese people like us, who worked 20hr per day, sending their
>kids to the grandma, staying the post with illness-excuse in pocket. If 
>someone says they did nothing worthwhile, he won't be popular. The
>gang of four said "don't work for wrong line", they are not popular.

My sympathy to you. But I think it is not right to send your kids to
your grandma. Kids need to stay with their immediate parents unless
the parents are not qualified. You should demand for 20hr pay as well.
You should demand the pay that matches your work. When you are ill,
you should not put the illness-excuse in your pocket. You are entitled
to have vacation when you are ill, or even you are not ill.

By the way, what are you working for? For the country? Something seems
to be wrong.
From: eleeaf9@rosie.uh.edu (92F10560)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:44 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

a test only
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:12:53 GMT

In article <Bxq77G.HJ1@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>I really didn't mean to hurt Mr. Li. What I wanted to do was to remind
>him of his position. I think MFN is very important to China, which was 
>the reason that I took the topic very seriously.

I am not hurt, but a little bit flattered for being considered as the
rich :-). I think the lives of thousands who died in 1989 and the
fate of many who are jailed for political reason are equally important.
I am not at all against MFN. I just hope both can be turned out
positively for the Chinese, even the MFN benefits CCP sons and daughters
first. We let them be rich, but they have to let people to live
by their own.

Why do you think we should let them live a rich life while they
still enjoy killing and jailing ordinary Chinese people? That is
too unfair.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:30:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.035740.5586@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
>>
>How do your comments explain your suggestion "the American president is
>the president of the world" ?   The world also includes China, Japan,
>Australia, UK, .......
>
>J Su

There is no such suggestion. The only suggestion is to the Chinese
people. Since they don't have chance to elect their own government
leader, they could have fun by electing American President. In fact,
part of the Beijing people have already enjoyed that fun.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: ron@wc07.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:52:58 GMT

### "SY" == Sherry Yang <xyang@bnr.ca> writes:
SY% Nntp-Posting-Host: bcars279

SY% In article <1992Nov16.111721.90604@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
SY% |> ================================================================================
SY% |> "China lifts foreign ban but cuts sponsorship", By Geoffrey Parkins of
SY% |> Sources: HIGHER EDUCATION (British).
SY% |> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SY% |> Commission has said that China would issue passports to all students
SY% |> accepted by foreign universities.  And government would "respect their
SY% |> freedom of travel" on their return to Chine after graduation.

SY% Now, the hot potato is in the hands of universities in U.S.A, Canada, 
SY% Australia, West Europe, or wherever Chinese students may consider as 
SY% a place worth trying.

Funny though, you did not mention Universities in Japan for Chinese
students.

(comment to waste the network resource AND PEOPLE'S ATTENTION)

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From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: industrial time's education and communist country's education
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

Both have products with following properties in common:
ignorant except specific career skill;
no culture;
no taste.
 

Bye, netter.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:13:57 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
 <102438@bu.edu>

 >From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
 >Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
 >Date: 18 Nov 92 13:59:10 GMT
 > (deleted)
 >A lesson to all from the tragedy of Zhou may be an old saying:
 >
 >Sang Zei Chuan Young Yi Xia Zei Chuan Nan (easy to get on board a gangster's
boat,
 >                                            but difficult to get off)
 >
 >The reason, as CCP GaoGan Mr. Yuan Geng told HK reporters,
 >
 >Ren Zai Jiang Hu, Sheng Bu you Ji (after getting on board, none is controlled
 >                                              by him/herself)
 > (deleted)

                    Some friends said quite similar thing.

                    Finally Tong1 Zhou1 Gong4 Ji4
                    ( help each other on same boat)

                    Same situation happens to Min1 Zhu3 Dang3
                    Pai4 (democratic parties).

                    A friend of mine wanted to be a member of
                    a d-party (legal in China).
                    He submitted an application form.
                    The funniest was that he didn't pass the
                    Shen3Cha2(inspection) by a branch of CCP.
                    He was making fun, saying it's easier
                    to be in CCP.

                    X Xu
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: scc FAQ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:01:04
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

Is there a general Frequently Asked Question list for scc?  If there is one, I
would appreciate it very much if someone can send me a copy.  If there is
none, it would be nice to have one, and I would appreciate it very much if you
send your suggestions for the scc FAQ to me.

Happy Turkey Day.
From: gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:09:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgo.usc.edu

In article <BxvrGr.Mos@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1ebkfiINNgqd@csgo.usc.edu> gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou) writes:
>>In article <92321.215727U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> Zhong Hau <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>  How about videos : The Story at The Editorial Board
>>>                   : Ke3 Wan4  (Yearning )
>>>                   : Wei2 Chen2  (Besieged city)
>>>
>>
>>All garbages.
>>Even worse than the soap opera garbages like "Dallas", etc.
>>
>Would you be kind enough to show us what are the non-garbages movies or
>videos. (either chinese or western, seriously)
>
>Tingli Pan

A lot, for example:

Alien I & II
Back to the future I, II, III ...
Backdraft
Batman I & II
Rainman
Once upon a time in Western
Once upon a time in America
Terminator
Terminator II -- Judgement Day 
			  ( I like it the most because of the computer animations.)
Die hard I & II
Hook
The Jaws
Pretty Woman
Platoon
Apocalypse now
Wall Street
Beauty and the Beast
The fly I & II
Green Card
... ...

There are also some good chinese movies in thirties and fifties. But
"The Story at The Editorial Board" was boring. There were maybe ten actors or
actresses. The most part was played in maybe 5 rooms. The "FFW" key of my VCR 
was the most frequently used key, when I saw it. That's just my humble
opinion, there are people who like it.
From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: BOOK ON LORD BUDDHA
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:34:26 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

HI ! I AM AN INDIAN AND KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LORD BUDDHA.
COULD SOMEBODY SUGGEST ME A GOOD BOOK ON BUDDHA AND HIS TEACHINGS ?
PREFERABLY IN ENGLISH. IT SHOULD INCLUDE HIS LIFE FROM CHILDHOOD TILL 
NIRVANA AND ALL THE TEACHINGS. THANKS IN ADVANCE
SARMA D.RAMALINGA
EMAIL :SRAMALIN@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui)
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:21:05 GMT

In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>
>
>
>
>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>
>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>

NEVER say never.

Who is this guy?

--signed
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:11:08 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys
Distribution: world

The two legs + two feet.
High intelligence, automatic route recognition,
parking ticket free, speeding ticket free,
convinient and cheap fuel,
excellent integraty, easy fix,
inherent insurance, reasonable pollution(cyclable),
.....

Disadavantages:
fragril, limited speed but easy speed shift (by flight),
.....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181118.23559@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>Because, a lot of people need to work hard for living, that dosen't mean
>they need an ego, they work hard for their children's future. That is a very
>common problem in this world.

It is understandable if people have no other choice but to work
20 hrs a day and leave children to grandma, put sick excuse in pocket
and still work. But the society must be considered very dark and
should be complained. There is nothing to be proud of.

Remember this is the end of 20th century.

>Few want to send their children to die in the war, but what can you do? This
>is the world. So, don't blame hard working people.

What does this have to do with war?
A healthy government make healthy law and encourage people to work
in a healthy way. A healthy government try to avoid as much as possible
the war.

>If you care their children, you know where you can donate some money for
>their education, Professor.

I have donated some money and still do. But I have my children to
take care of. I don't want to send them to grandma :-).



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: Cheng_Yang@Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:04:04 GMT

In article <By21qq.5tH@ecf.toronto.edu> zeng@ecf.toronto.edu (ZENG Roger Wei Gang) writes:
>As for best buys, I really can't tell. NSX probably is the best if you have
>a lot, and I mean a lot, of money. Otherwise 3000GT is a good choice for
>middle class people. As for poor guys like me :^), Civic del sol seems like
>a good compromise.



Here is my best list:

Best Family cars:
1. Ford Taurus (SHO model is the best)
2. Toyota Camry 
3. Honda Accord (Cost too much)
4. Mazda 626
5. Nissan Maxima

Best Economic cars:
1. Honda Civic
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Saturn
4. Ford Escort

Best Sports Coupe:
1. Ford Probe GT. (V6 model)
2. Talon/Laser/Eclips.
3. Mazda MX-6.
4. Integra.
5. Prelude.

Best Sports Car:
1. Covette.
2. 3000GT

Best MiniVan:
1. Mazda MPV (I like the 4WD V6 model)
2. Dodge Caravan.

Actually, the numbers don't mean anything significant.  Only my personal 
preference.  Those new models are close.
Just bought a 93 Ford Probe GT, great car, fun to drive.  Actually, it's a 
Mazda with a Ford Badge.  I think it's the best sports coupe under $20,000.00.
compared to Integra, Prelude, Saturn, Celica, Mazda MX-6, and Eclipse.

Of course, the new Probe GT is not an economic car. (Gas mileage is only 21/26)

You guys should read newsgroup "rec.autos" to get some idea about these new
93 models.  They are very different than the old ones...


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From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: poem
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:42:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00963B2C.9DD9E0E0
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

street dark
sky spark
girl walk
boy park
more spark
until
dog bark
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30514 talk.politics.china:2702
From: math1pf@jane.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:55 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <~{5K~}.92Nov15134353@bunny.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov>, ~{5K~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes...
>>>>>> In article <lg8ac5INNbkc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Lin <stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
>....
>  Steven> In 1992, we mainly celebrate the protection bill passed,
>  Steven> in the expense of many deads at TAM at 6/4 of 1989.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What's the meaning of  the prepositional phrase "at the expense of" ?

To my understanding (might be wrong,comments are welcome),it means
to do some sacrifice in order to achieve a more important goal.

For instance,CG gained control over China at the expense of many deads
in TAM on 6/4 of 1989.

Neither CSS nor the U.S. goverment killed anybody to get the bill passed.
Rather,you can say it is FOR THE SAKE OF ...

So calling that the passage of the protection bill is at the expense of 
..,is a mis-understanding of either the phrase or the fact.
> 
>Steve, shame on you to lick clean the blood!
> 
> 
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> 
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