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From: elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen)
Subject: Re: HK view of Ramakrishna 
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:11:51 GMT

jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:

>In article <k66uTB5w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
>>
>>We accept Lord Buddha as an incarnation of God. But Lord buddha had a
>>specific purpose in descending. If someone worships Lord Buddha

>Its interesting having some of the HKs on the net, there are many
>things I can relate to personally with the HK path. I was actually
>asking in s.r.e. last summer if there were any HKs here, but got no
>reply. This post prompts me to re-ask a question I posed before.

>Last summer, here in Montreal there was a big HK outdoors display
>and food for the public. I had a talk with one fellow for awhile,
>and we got to talking about Ramakrishna. Basically he said the HK
>people don't consider Ramakrishna as a realized soul because he
>said something that supposedly contradicts the Gita. 

Hmmm... Now I haven't read the 'Gita, but I'm sure, as in the Bible, there
are numerous contradictions within the script itself. There must be in some-
thing that large. So the 'Gita can't be the 'Ultimate Source of Wisdom' since
it contradicts the 'Gita, and so you cannot judge whether a person is
enlightened from whether they contradict the 'Gita or not. IMO, life itself is
so full of contradictions that any enlightened person must be contradicting
him/her-self constantly. 

[...]

>Jeff

Yours, Lars Clausen
-- 
C code.  C code run.  Run code, run. ..please?
				-Unknown
From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: HYPOCRISY of Prayer in Public Schools
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:06:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire



                       HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer

               Bush, Reagan, and a LOT of SELF-RIGHTEOUS fundamentalist 
          "Christians" want to RE-IMPOSE prayer into the public 
          schools, as well as in certain government ceremonies, etc.. 

               But what did Jesus Christ HIMSELF say about people who 
          pray in public?  In Matthew 6:5 he called them HYPOCRITES!  
          
               He said in the next verse that people should pray 
          SILENTLY IN THEIR CLOSETS, in other words, IN PRIVATE.  (Or 
          if in public, they should do it IN THEIR HEADS, withOUT the 
          SHOWY bowed head and folded hands.) 

               Parents who want their kids to openly and verbally pray 
          in school can send them to PAROCHIAL schools, as well as to 
          Sunday school, withOUT forcing it on others. 



               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
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From: chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: chris@kbsw3.UUCP (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

John, do you have any data on maximum speed, maximum acceleration and
radar cross section for the various types of alien space craft? I'm
trying to figure out which air to air and surface to air missile systems
would be the best to use. What are the hulls made out of? There is 
an IR laser that the SDI people were working on that might just be the
ticket.


-- 
Chris Kostanick
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog
it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
From: Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk (Linda Birmingham)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: HUUUUU... or Are You Interested in God?
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:23:36 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <TWSVA6@MPLVAX.SRI.COM> MSW@MPLVAX.SRI.COM (Mark S. Williams - Ag213) writes:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>HU is a love song to God. It represents the love of God for Soul. And we
>are Soul.
>
>for years. Some have had contact with the Sound and not known what it was. As
>I mentioned before, the Sound can come in many forms, a ringing in the ears,
>the sound of running water, bells, bees, or the flute, etc. These are different
>sounds one can hear depending on one's state of consciousness or where one's
>attention is focused. There are also various words one can sing that can be
>used to focus their attention at various levels. Aum or Om is a more familiar
>word, used by many. There are others all good but somewhat limited. The best
>way I know of to get a connection with the Light and Sound is by the use of HU.
>
Thanks that is very interesting. What I'm unsure about is why HU should
be the best sound to use.

In Yoga and tantric traditions there are quite a few mantras that are used
for what I think is the same result as you are describing - although
you speak of focussing on the psychic centre.
>
>If you are seeking answers to your questions about life, solutions to your
>problems, or just want to be a better Christian, Buddhist, or whatever,
>singing it on a regular basis could be what you are looking for. Anyone,
>regardless of their beliefs or religion, can sing HU to become more aware
>of God's love.
>
or Om ? or Aum ? or Hum ?
>More if you want it,
If you wish to reply please mail me (linda@brunel.ac.uk) as I am
not around much now.
>
>Huuuuuu............
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Love and light,

Linda.
-- 
Brunel University, Uxbridge, Middlesex, England.
janet: Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:08:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.142636.8339@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:

>Jews would say that the Creator is an absolutely simple Unity without
>even the possibility of duality.  G-d is neither male nor female nor
>is G-d a person.  G-d is unfettered by the constraints of all human
>concepts; personhood and gender are serious constraints.

Um... Len, if personhood and gender are serious constraints, why isn't
"unity without even the possibility of duality" an equally serious
constraint?

They both sound like finite human projections onto the infinite.
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: re-examination of dealing with emotions
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:16:45 GMT
Organization: Scientific Research Lab, Ford Motor Company
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Wonderful Summary, Lorenzo!

Adding anything would just be to hear my own voice!

Steve
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Ford Motor Company
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From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: We hate/fight being lemmings....
Summary: We give strength to what we fight
Keywords: sovereignty, freedom
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:08:17 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm


	In light of the recent flame wars, I also have a few words.
We are all human... we have emotions ( we should have emotions! )
We are all like lemmings following the one in front of us to the
pit. We rebel against this and in rebeling we give it strength. Now
many of us have emotions that we consider old-age and so hate this
aspect of ourselves. By hating it we give it strength. But we are
all struggling to be what we have in our mind's eye as the goals 
of the new-age. We cannot ignore what is already within us if we
are to go this extra step into the new ways. We must work through 
these feelings... be aware of them... bring them out and examine
them and "deal" with them. It takes much conscious love within to
be able to rid ourselves of these old ways. We have a very ingrained
habit to resolve... let's give ourselves some time to work through
it, and accept ourselves for what they are ...ACCEPT and MOVE ON.
This is not a quick fix kind of thing; it takes years to accept and
change the modus operendum. We cannot do it by intellectualizing it
so. We have to FEEL it. In our hearts. Every time we point our finger
and say that this person or that person is a lemming, we are 
IDENTIFYING with that concept on an emotional level, and REACTING to
it because we have not freed ourselves from that thing. When we begin 
to take responsibility for our own thoughts and actions, we give
autonomy to others. We no longer feel the need to point the finger;
we observe and respond, we do not react. Now I don't want anybuddy ;-)
to get the idea that I am so great. I am the same as anyone else; I 
am seeking and striving for answers as well. I am learning to love
myself and find that I really can love others without judgement or
attachment, but only at times. There are other times that fail to
live up to my vision, but I am learning not to judge even that, just
shake myself and get back up. 

I really love the discussion that goes on here most of the time, and
when the flame wars start, nobody likes it. Maybe we should take a 
look at that... if I do more than observe the flame wars, am I also
identifying with them?? Yes. Period. I am doing that. I am still
human... damn and I thought I was doing so well....

<intense gales of laughter>

Network hugs to all and to all a great weekend!!

Karen.


-- 
    Love is the answer...
	Communication Facilities Designer
	Freelance in the Land of Enchantment              Albuquerque, NM
	karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us                             (505) 266-8659
From: wurfa8v@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Food rules in various scriptures
Keywords: Karma, Meat, Vegatables.
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:19:55 GMT
Organization: State University System of Florida

In article <1cgqvoINNb4t@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk 
   (Mr G S Sutherland) writes:
>...
>I believe that this means that plants die as well, and if we worry about
>the negative effects of karma in killing, then we could never eat anything.

I eat mainly fresh vegetables, as opposed to frozen or canned.  When I
prepare them to eat, whether raw or especially cooked, I try to remember
to thank them for giving their life force for mine and for the special
properties they have to enhance my life.  I try to remain calm and aware
so that their passing may be easier.  I try to thank the animal who gave
it's life for the meat that I prepare but this doen't help with it's death.
I think that the more violent the passiing of life the more negative the 
vibrations associated with the food and we are effected by them whether we
are aware of it or not.

I think that the kosher method for killing animals may have addressed
this, but I don't know too much about it.

The native american customs involved with hunting and killing animals, which 
I also don't know much about, seems to make the killing karma-less. 

I think any act can be karma-less if done from a high enough consciousness,
even killing.

Have fun!

   =-Kathy->                                    waddell@firnvx.firn.edu


Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Pee Wee's Pyramid
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:40:46 GMT

In article <69280@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Subject: Great Pyramid of Egypt Trip. 
|>   I just got through making a telephone call to Donald Long the person who is 
|> planning to go over to Egypt to investighate the Great Pyramid of Egypt. 
|> They have six people going. One of them is Dr. Joseph Daviovits of France, 
|> who is an expert in geo-polymeres.  They hope to prove that some but not all 
|> of the limesone blocks in the pyramid were made by crushing limesone into 
|> small pieces and mixing it with other materials to make the blocks. 
|>  They believe that the builders of the pyramid were experts in concrete and 
|> cement, and they cast some of the blocks in place.  They hope to leave on 
|> May of 1983.
|> John Winston.


The entire pyramid-building exercise was filmed (for A&E?), and I watched
it the other night.  The French "expert" who believed the blocks were poured
was shown to be a fool.  He couldn't explain the tool marks on the blocks,
and though his method left no cracks between the the blocks, the Egyptian
blocks (as we know) did indeed have cracks between them.  He couldn't explain
this, either.  Another "expert" who believed the blocks had been levered
into position was also shown the error of his ways.  The first and second
courses could indeed have been levered into place, but after that it would
have been "difficult" for anyone to lever the blocks into place, considering
the the steep angle of the pyramid sides.

For anyone not familiar with this experiment, an archeologist determined
that the Great Pyramid was built over a period of 23 years, I think it was.
Knowing that and the number of blocks in the pyramid, he determined the
number of blocks per day that would have to be put in place on the pyramid.
To test whether the Egyptians could have accomplished that feat with the
tools and technology available to them, he decided to build a much smaller
pyramid over a proportionately shorter period of time -- three weeks.

I saw the first half of the project.  I didn't see the end, so I don't know
if he was successful.

Mike Lynch
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pee Wee's Pyramid
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:30:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov11.134046.7552@walter.bellcore.com>
  <1992Nov11.194815.19650@odin.corp.sgi.com>

Dear Pyramid Builders: Remember these people who are going on the trip
are conventional scientists and don't think like I do. 
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 17:53:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: OOBE Pyramid. 
  It has been suggested by someone that I report what I see on these OOBE 
trips. On the last one we took when we were going back to the Shensi Pyramid 
of China my concious mind wound up going back to the time of the early 
industrial revolution of Europe except I went to China and observed a lot of 
building of large structures (like dams). Late in the night I wound up in a 
filling station down in Los Angeles with a movie star (Lloyd Bridges, his 
name sounds like Lord Bridges of the old Sea Hunt TV Show) backing into me 
with a 4 wheel drive vehicle and doing damage to his car. He drove away 
without stopping.
  I know this doesn't make any sense but one has to put all of the stories 
together before anything can be made of them. More than likely my higher 
self or spirit did go back and get some information but it is not 
communicating to my concious mind the information as of yet.  
  The space people has stated that one or more of the pyramids in China was 
made by the people from the third planet from the star we called Aldeberan. 
It was made as was the original part of the Great Pyramid of Egypt to 
stabilize the axial excursion of the Earth to get us to come out of an ice 
age many years ago (45.600 years ago.)  They also say that about 243 feet 
down under the Great Pyramid there still are motors and generators that are 
still running. Dan Fry, a UFO investigator said he was able to hear them. I 
have asked Donald Long, another UFO investigator to listen for them when he 
goes to the area in the near future.
John Winston.
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:54:31 EST

In article <0TBRTB3w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:
[...]
>> Wake up and Smell the Maya, dude!
>> 
> 
> What are you talking about?

This question means that even if you read the answer, you will apparently not
understand it.

> What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?

The vision demonstrated by your approach here.

> What "fantasy pundit world"?

Don't know myself.

> Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?
> 

One way communication isn't.

GXKambic
sd
From: kish@athos.rutgers.edu (Bill Kish)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: myopia and spirituality
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:57:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	This started out being reply to Kalki Das's comments 
concerning Buddhist teaching, but I think there is a more pertinent 
issue here than the usual doctrinal squabbling.  The issue is the 
contant danger of anyone who is seeking after things "spiritual" to 
fall prey to tunnel vision.  This is just as relevant to those who are
engaging in practices which fall squarely into t.r.n as it is for
those of use who like things a little more traditional.
	The situation is so rich in irony, it's hard not become
thoroughly amused.  People usually engage in spiritual practice in
an attempt to break out of the bonds of ignorance, and yet it seems
that all too often walking a spiritual path only leads them into
a different tunnel.  But its too easy to just label devotees as 
lemmings.  There are at least two sides to the situation.  Its just 
as easy for someone inside a particular scene to say to critics "you 
just don't understand" as it is for those outside of a particular scene 
to tell devotees that they have allowed themselves to be "brainwashed".
	So what can be done ?  On the one hand, if you are new to
a particular practice, it is helpful to talk to others doing the same
thing, and perhaps to even create enough space in your life so that
the usual crap doesn't interfere.   But there is always this looming
spectre of a "scene" which  will eventually come into view the longer
you stay with teacher/group/situation X.  And of course, any spiritual
path of worth requires committment and dedication, and perhaps (gasp !),
unprecedented levels of trust.  You have to somehow learn to give
up control of you-and-your-world in order to allow something more
expansive and panoramic to take place, but yet you have to retain
enough critical intelligence to prevent tragic consequences.  Easy, 
right ?  Right. :)

	Sorry if this message is something of a downer.  I just don't 
think there are any easy answers here, and yet it strikes to the core
of any spiritual quest - "why am I doing this ?"  


Yours in Dharma,
-Bill
From: viper1@bu.edu (Kurt Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: what the hell
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:11:46 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

what the hell does bigfoot have to do with religion???????

Please enlighten me!!!!!!

           Viper1
From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Barbara Marciniak in Santa Fe, NM!! <smile>
Keywords: channel
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:45:38 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

I have wanted to meet this woman for a long time, perhaps two years
now, and I have my chance next week! Barbara Marciniak who has been
working for some time now as a channel for the group entity calling
themselves the Pleiadians will be in Santa Fe New Mexico next week.
I am excited, and I hope that all who are interested are able to 
be there too. 

Here is the info as it appeared in the Sedona Journal of Emergence
with a little embellishment (the specific address) included :-)




			BARBARA MARCINIAK
		    "Channeling the Pleiadians"
			Event Schedule

Santa Fe:
	Church of Religious Science, 505 Camino de los Marquez
	Nov 13 7:00 PM (with Barbara Hand Clow)	$ 20	lecture
	Nov 14-15 (with Barbara Marciniak only)	$100	workshop
		contacts:	Joan Gulino	(505) 989-9209
				Dale McElroy	(505) 438-7035
				Terresa Buchan	(505) 982-8348

Phoenix:
	Nov 18		contact: Linda Wright (602) 226-1808

Sedona:
	Nov 20-22	contact: Karen Carlson (919) 828-9292

Note: preregistration required for Sedona workshop which is reportedly
full as of this date. 



-- 
    Love is the answer...
	Communication Facilities Designer
	Freelance in the Land of Enchantment              Albuquerque, NM
	karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us                             (505) 266-8659
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5164 alt.alien.visitors:8176
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:26:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Ruins Of A 30,000 Year Old City. Part12a.
  Here is a little bit more information about the city. A question was asked 
and the answer was given. Question, How old is the city? Robert Stanley: 
According to my research and other documentation, the Ancient City of Mu was 
first colonized some 30,000 years ago by beings from the Pleiades and Orion 
star systems via Alpha Centares.  The primitive earthlings were 7-8 foot 
tall and were already partially intermixed with the much older Reptillian 
races who since left this world. The Los Angeles Basin is still recognized 
by native American Indians as The Lost Land of the Lizard People. 
 The actual name of the city is not Mu it is Kalimu. 
Ene Part 12a
John Winston.
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From: davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:01:20 GMT
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In article <Bxn79J.3nK@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>In article <69419@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear People: I am surprised that a person made the observation about
>>us giving contellations and planets names. Kelvin Rowe says his 
>>space friends don't refer to planets by names but by their orbit.
>
>But how do they refer to the orbits--by name?

  And also, what name is earth than given?






	Love is the life force breathed
	into the Heart/Mind flower center
	of harmonious human relationships.
			Al Huang

	David Hatcher