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From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: culture, heritage
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:57:57 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <gdtqVlm00awQ4k7UVZ@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anthony Russell Rosania) writes:
>     To emphasizes Dave Hiebeler's post, I think the emphasis shouldn't
>be on recognizing YOUR heritages achievments/culture, I believe one
>should make an attempt to learn all cultures, and achievments of all
>factions of HUMANkind. I for one am interested in learning about Asian
>culture because I believe I have learned adequate European culture
>throughout my education, now I wish to learn about Asian culture and
>next semester take an Asian language course (Japanese or Korean). My
>name is Italian, but  my backround American, but most of all my blood is
>HUMAN. America IS a melting pot of people, lets make it a melting pot of
>IDEAS, by learning about eachother and other nations. Human Power !!!
	
	I basically agree with everything u said.  but...
	We all need self identity.  Heritages helps us in that respect.
	Learning about cultures is not the same as adopting to them and 
	living them out.  
	The word "reclaim_ing" sounds a little corny in this context.

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From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UNDERDOG:  WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR MIND.
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:53:01 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr15.220315.24604@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.013941.13394@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.005212.6475@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>
>>>At no point in Chinese history has China ever been as prosperous
>>>and well off as the USA or Western Europe.  Even if you reach back
>>>3000 years like the way many China-philes like to do, you will find
>>>that China was far worse than modern Western society.  There was
>>>no penicillin, no antibiotics, no Bill of Rights, no human decency
>>>(but that's always been true, hasn't it?), etc. in China.
>>>
>>
>>That is right. And so many Chinese praise Confucius I simply cannot understand
>>why. Did Confucius know anything about group theory? Did he know anything
>>about solving differential equations? Did he speak English? I doubt very
>>much if he even knew how to ride a bicycle, not mentioning driving a car.
>>
>>Chou1
>>                                           
> You seem to be a mathematician. Then answer the following questions:
> Did Newton know group theory?
> Did Pascal know computer languages?
> Did Archimedes (I am not sure of the spelling, sorry) know calculus?
> ...
> I feel sad for your logic.:-(

	** I think Chou1's commemt is very philosophical and humorous.

	   You guys are just ....

	   " Siu3 Mu4 Bu4 Ker3 Diu1 " (rotton wood can not be carved)
From: zing@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Leon Zing-Ding Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Compensations abound...
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> I ask Ms. Cheung again, "Shouldn't
	> the Chinese gov't on Taiwan compensate the Taiwanese victims, 
	> murdered by the Chinese?"

To demonstrate such overt righteousness....may I submit to you the
compensation deserved my various American citizens when their
forefathers and family members suffered under the destitution of
suppose-it benevolent Amercian rule...

For example....the pogroms against Afro-Americans, the near genocide of the
American Indians, the internment of Japanese Amercians, the prohibition of
Chinese immigrantion, etc.  As one can see....no nation is absolved from 
the committing artocities.....including the US.  Amercian apologists would
state that these are old rehashes...unworthly of further debate.  However,
one's past history cannot be purged simply by being ignorant of the facts.

Do not demand perfection from others unless one's own society have achieved
perfection on itself.  One may disregard such warnings....however, one's
arguments will perpetually be hollow unless one considers one's own failings.

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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:26:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr15.232625.25705
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr15.215552.19669@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.071910.20400@u.washington.edu> luke@milton.u.washington.edu (Marvin Luke) writes:
>>In article <10403@inews.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>>>In article <upsi1.702938653@mcl>, upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) wri
>>tes:
>>>>In article <1992Apr14.220915.23625@u.washington.edu> gwanggung@milton.u.washi
>>ngton.edu writes:
>>>>>        Nahh.....we don't despise Californians.
>>>>>        We just use 'em for Uzi target practice.

>>Unless of course they are young, single, female, and Asian American.
>>In that case just bring your California tan up I-5 to Seattle. I promise,
>>everyone will be nice and.......

	Damn right.

>This is a point I was trying to make earlier.  Clare's experiences will be
>different from most males.  If the person is "young, single, *male*, and
>Asian American," there would be a better chance he would be used for target
>practice.

	Yup.

	'Course we dig out the Magnums for Texans....


-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:31:42 GMT

In article <122740@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>Well, I don't think it's up to you to define "real" engineers.  IMO,
>As long as an employer finds an engineer is worth what he's paying for,
>he must be a "real" engineer.

Unfortunately, there are so few qualified people that many employers are
having to train less-than-qualified people.  (I've forgotten the reference,
so don't ask me for it.)

>_>>None of those is possible without
>->>communication skills.
>
>And we are not talking about totally lacking communication skills here.
>Does scoring low on SAT English translates to lacking communication skills?

Of course not.  But the validity of the SAT is another thread.  (And since
we probably agree on this one, that's no point in talking about it :-)
From: yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Estimating the N of Generation N (was Re: Reclaiming our heritage)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1992Apr12.174139.7084@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>	I just think that N>2 Asian population is
>	small enough to be considered negligible in this discusion.

Definitely not.

Consider California, where Asians are the second largest minority
group in the state -- Hispanics are first, blacks are third.  Both Los
Angeles and San Francisco have a very large population of 3rd and 4th
(and maybe even 5th) generation Asian-Americans.

Consider all of the Japanese-Americans interned during WWII.  The
(second/third generation) children in those camps are now old enough
to have (fourth/fifth generation) grandchildren of their own.

>	Does anyone no the ratio of N>2 vs N=<2 ?

My guess is that it would depend on the specific ethnic groups
involved.  This would probably be considerably higher for Americans of
Japanese or Chinese descent than those of, say, Vietnamese or
Cambodian descent.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China never as prosperous as Europe?
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Keywords: predestination
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:34:03 GMT

In article <t2wj1vj.kemnitz@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.005212.6475@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>You can lay your suspensions to rest.
>>
>>At no point in Chinese history has China ever been as prosperous
>>and well off as the USA or Western Europe.  Even if you reach back
>>3000 years like the way many China-philes like to do, you will find
>>that China was far worse than modern Western society.  There was
>>no penicillin, no antibiotics, no Bill of Rights, no human decency
>>(but that's always been true, hasn't it?), etc. in China.
>
>This contradicts the observations of Europeans who visited China in the from
>the fourteenth century to the time of Napoleon.  Up until about the mid
>nineteenth century, China was in many ways better off than Europe.
>...

I meant that "At no point in Chinese history has China ever been 
as prosperous and well off as the [MODERN = 20th century] USA
or Western Europe".  Mr. Kemnitz is doing what basically many people
who identify with Chinese culture like to do.  Namely, in reponse
to the charge that Chinese society is inferior to the West, they
reach back centuries ago to find some point in time at which the Chinese
did okay for that period of history.

But I say, let f(t, s) = relative figure of accomplishment, where
"t" is an element of (start of time, 1992] and "s" is an element of 
the set of all nations.  Then f(1992, USA) >> f(t, China) for
ALL values of "t".  On the other hand, the Chinese like to play the
following game:  the Chinese want to fix "t" at some point in 
history like, say, "t = 10" and to say that China is great.  Baloney.

I stand by my statment.  "At no point in Chinese history has China ever
been as prosperous and well off as the USA or Western Europe."  "Well
off" does not refer only to the economic sense although many Chinese
people are narrow-minded enough to think that.  "Well off" also refers
to things like "equality of the sexes" and "freedom of speech".

Back in "t = 10", respect for "freedom of speech" and "equality of
the sexes" in China was worse than in today's China, where those
ideals still aren't respected.  Even today, human decency in Chinese
society is still nonexistent for the most part.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho)
Subject: Asian American amateur athletes
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:34:09 GMT



Hello,                          
   It's taken me this long to figure out this damnable new system, and
how to post...sorry if it looks weird.
   Just wanted to comment on some thread which I remember but hadn't
saved (still lame at this all), about being Asian and athletic. Somebody,
Jeff Sedayao (sp?) mentioned being a runner...I'm a runner, too, and
all throughout high school it was never a big deal...well, not at _my_
high school...but then I went to college and joined the cross country 
team, and dude...lost among a crowd of long-legged, slender-built Cauca-
sians. All of a sudden I felt really, really silly. Not to stereotype,
but there are plenty of fast Caucasians, Latinos and African Americans
but markedly less Asians...at least in my limited range of experience.
   And when I went to Sole, I mean, Seoul--well, good lord. I went for
a couple of runs in the blasted humidity, and never have I gotten so
many mean, disapproving and/or astonished looks from the locals. This
man came up to me and started yelling and gesturing at the river where
I was running by. Armed with my one Korean phrase that basicaly says I
can't speak Korean, I yelled it out as best I could, so he gave up. But
dang, no wonder these days I run alone. High school cross-country was
paradise lost.
                                     oh well,
                                          ac

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: Considerate
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:48:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.012449.8660@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>chin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>
>>Right on!  Being so Americanized, we can only think of our immediate
>>self-interests.  :-/
>
>	Right on!  U r the 1st one here to show that u hold the same belief
>	as I.  Yes.
>	Being Americanized = being less considerate.

I find this rather offensive.  This is the same reasoning many Asians use to
discourage their children from assimilating.  I have known some very
inconsiderate 1st generation Asians; I have also known some very considerate
1st generation Asians.  There *is*, I think, a tendency for 1-st generation
people to be less direct, or more tactful.  But, there are many times in
which this is *not* the most considerate approach in the long run.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:3451 soc.culture.african.american:4512
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:13:19 GMT

In article <TDWU.92Apr16211004@faust.mit.edu> tdwu@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas Wu) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr16.152833.28237@nynexst.com>
>clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>   >  Hey I didn't say anything about Seattle.  And my son is very-young (14
>   >  months), very-single (no girlfriends), and *very-male*.
>
>Well, I guess he needs to build up his self-esteem and ask more female
>toddlers out!  :-)

 He doesn't have to.  Two mothers of girls have already "claimed" him
 for their daughters.  It's just that I'm a mother, and I don't want
 him to settle yet.  One little girl was born the exact same day as
 he was, in the exact same hospital, and her mother's last name is
 also Chu.  I even got her midwife, because my doctor didn't show up
 and they paged her midwife (because we had the same last name and
 the resident got confused).  My husband also works with her, talk
 about coincidence.  Anyway everyone has them matched up already,
 but they haven't met!  This little girl is really pretty, she's half
 Chinese and half (Black,Indian (both native and from India),White)
 and has an epicanthic fold and green eyes!  Tony (my son) has cards
 from her signed (by her mother), from your girlfriend.

 Meanwhile another mother of a 8 month old calls up and says, "Samantha
 wants to come over and see her boyfriend."  Maybe it's just me, but
 it really bothers me when parents (even in jest) talk about setting
 up their kids.  Probably has to do with my Chinese culture, right Dwight?
 Because it was only too real for my grandparent's generation to be
 set up when born.  That is why I claim that my son has no girlfriends.
>
>
>In article <1992Apr16.180523.18422@rice.edu>
>kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>   Hey... I know a very-single, friendly, and cute 5-month-old girl I could
>   set him up with :-)
>
>But he's almost three times her age!  He should wait 4 months; then
>he'll only be twice her age.  :-)

  Okay, sounds good to me.  As long as he doesn't settle down until
  he's over 20!  :-)
>
>-------------------------
>Thomas Wu
>tdwu@mit.edu
>
>


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From: oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: re Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:50:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <kubjopINNjsr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop therefore I AM!!) writes:
>
>Here's another one: Chinese food to whites consist of only three
>dishes - sweet and sour pork, pork fried rice, and lemon chicken. 

Waitress!  An order of egg rolls with that.

						Woody Oshiro
						oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu
From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:33:43 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <44202@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu 
(John Kawakami) writes:
>In article <MDAY.92Apr6235535@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu 
(Mark Day) writes:
>>It's entirely appropriate for English 101 classes to focus on

>Hmm. "101" is a pretty high number, implying that it is geared for English
>majors. The running assumption would be that they already know how to write

   Maybe it's a reference to room 101 in _1984_, where the
worst thing in the world was found. :-)
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:51:52 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr12.190652.3187@Princeton.EDU>, fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:
 
|> Somehow I have the feeling that it is precisely the N>2 population that
|> is most worried about their personal identity.  Having grown up
|> "American" in every possible way, except for their skin color--and the
|> fact that people still treat them as though they were not authentic
|> "Americans"--they suddenly don't know how to deal with this, and start
|> trying to "reclaim" a long lost "culture" for the sole purpose of
|> wielding it as a weapon against the whites who have rejected them.

Right on!  Being so Americanized, we can only think of our immediate
self-interests.  :-/

|> How's that for abstract talk? :-)  (Disclaimer:  I'm not speaking for
|> anyone above, and that includes myself.)

You certainly aren't.

Of course, even more abstract is the idea of defining an Asian-American
heritage, which is what we would be really interested in if it were at
all practical.  :-(
-- 
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achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (eighqmes)
Subject: Student Summer Programs
Keywords: culture, heritage
Organization: Organization for Being Cluttered, UMCP
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:51:48 GMT

has anyone heard of a summer program that takes ABC's
and sends them all over to Taiwan for the summer? the
idea is that they go over for about 6 weeks, take language
classes in the morning, get hauled around to various
places on the island during the afternoons, and generally
break out of campus and explore taipei in the evening.

this has sometimes been referred to as Love Boat, and
i was wondering if anyone had any information on it.

please reply here or send to: beowulf@eng.umd.edu

thanks.

amie
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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:32:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: jukebox.MDAY.92Apr12103249
Organization: /u/mday/.organization


   hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:

	   Nth-generation Asian Americans?  N must be = to 1 or 2.

This is an odd claim.  The AA population is heavily skewed toward
recent immigrants because earlier immigration laws tended to be
heavily biased against Asian immigration; but that doesn't mean that
there are *no* AAs descended from immigrants several generations back.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: Asian American Food (?)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:02:35 GMT

In article <121762@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <64727@apple.Apple.COM> tse@apple.com writes:
>->tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>->>I think another name for crispy noodles is "Hong Kong style chow mein".
>->>So they are probably not "American".  Also, I think "lo mein" is not 
>->>fried, so it's not "chow mein".
>->
>->Okay, let me put on my Hong Kong hat.  "lo mein" is with boiled noodles
>->mixed (or lo'ed, as it were) with a meat sauce.  "chow mein" is made
>->semi-crispy pan-fried noodles.  The American style "chow mein" with soft
>->noodles is nonexistent.
>->
>
>Are we talking about the same "lo mein" here?  To my understanding, "lo"
>seems to mean "taking things out of water".   So the "lo mein" that I've
>seen is just having noodles separated from the soup.  I didn't see any
>meat source.  It tastes worse than normal noodle yet cost more.  To me
>it's nothing more like eating noodles and soup separately, instead of
>together like normal noodles.
>
>--
>Terry Cheung
>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov


  Anyone have a good recipe for pork lo mein?  or shrimp lo mein?
  Since it is not really Chinese food, I don't see it in my Chinese
  cookbook.  I think it is New York Chinatown food, right?  

  Anyway, my husband and son like it.  Also General Tso's chicken.
  So if you have any recipes for either lo-mein or G. T. chicken,
  please e-mail me.

  Thanks, Clare
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