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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Pink Panther movies
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 06:52:02 GMT


>> LBX       The Pink Panther  (1964)                         ***1/2
>> LBX       A Shot in the Dark  (1964)                       ****

        Inspector Clouseau (1968) D: Bud Yorkin w/Alan Arkin  **

>>           Return of the Pink Panther  (1975)               **1/2
>> LBX       The Pink Panther Strikes Again  (1976)           ***1/2
>> LBX       Revenge of the Pink Panther  (1978)              **

        Trail of the Pink Panther (1982)  old footage         **
                 filmed at same time as:

>>           Curse of the Pink Panther  (1983) w/David Niven  *1/2

I have added the two missing ones to the list.  'LBX' indicates
they are available in letterboxed versions on laserdisc.  The
'*' are Maltin's ratings.  All were directed by Blake Edwards
except 'Inspector Clouseau' which accounts for the misunderstanding
about sequel number.  Maltin counts TPPSA as #5 also.  All
films starred Peter Sellers except where noted.  The 1982/83 filmes
were made after his death, with the 1982 using old PS footage
mixed with new.  Additional footage shot at the same time was
combined to make the 1983 film but PS was not featured in it.



-- 
	The answer is never simple and is always changing.
    William L.R. (Bill) Cruce       INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu 
Neurobiology Dept, NE Ohio U Coll of Med, POB 95, Rootstown, OH 44272 
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: CITIZEN KANE on LD, was Re: Opinions wanted from couple of LD's
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:27:27 GMT
Keywords: Criterion, Turner, RKO, Image, Voyager

In article <1993Jan06.053213.10779@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>Re CITIZEN KANE on laserdisc
>
>I (wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu) wrote:
>>>> I know only the old and new Criterion CAV versions, both about $100
>>>> list.  Avoid the old.  The new one is a much better transfer.  Superb.
>>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Bill Vermillion (bill@bilver.uucp) wrote:
>>> I don't find any problem with the old.

>Bob Niland (rjn@FC.HP.COM) wrote:
>>Ditto.  Furthermore, the old (CAV: CC101L, CLV: CC1115L) editions were made
>>from a negative that was subsequently lost in a fire.  The current editions
>>(CAV: CC1259L, CLV: CC1285L) were made from source elements at least one
>>generation further removed from the camera negs.

>Sorry, in my brevity I may have implied that the old Criterion was bad.

....

>Their list prices are (were) respectively $100 - $90 - $30.  So, if
>you are looking to buy one NOW, I would say the old Criterion CAV
>would be a good buy if it were $40 or less (new, it was available
>at 25-30% discount).

When I bought mine there were no discounts.   Only way to get it was
direct from Criterion.   This was when it was primarily a one man labor
of love, and if Voyager/Janus hadn't rescued the company it wouldn't be
here today..

I wonder if the 3M original (which I have) differs from the Pioneer
original.    I suspect they may have had to remaster, and then there is
a distinct possibity that there was a difference between the two
original - because all video chains are not alike..

> The older Criterion
>CAV has a fair supplemental section (again, it set the standard when
>it was released in 1984, as Criterion's first).  If you are a perfectionist,
>if you love CITIZEN KANE, and if you have dollars to spend on this
>rather than some other laserdisc (much harder today than in 1984)
>then the newest Criterion CAV release is THE ONE TO HAVE.

One of my all time favorites.  I just might have to re-aquire it when
some other 'must haves' are obtained.  

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Why Japanese 
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:59:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.080751.23170@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>
>Love that Japanese analog soundtrack!  (Why *did* they do that?)

Maybe they want to encourage laserdisc exports to Japan?

I also loved the backside of the jacket, e.g. the description of the
'extra' audio track and what Ralph will do if he catches you doing
unauthorized copying.


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	The answer is never simple and is always changing.
    William L.R. (Bill) Cruce       INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu 
Neurobiology Dept, NE Ohio U Coll of Med, POB 95, Rootstown, OH 44272 
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From: 6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: WANTED: Lady And The Tramp VHS
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:06:47 PST

>                       <sentence erased>
>               ..... An alternative would be for me to rent a LD if
>available and have my bro-in-law tape it, but would much prefer to
>have the original video if possible.
>
>Graeme Harrison

Owners of LD's wish that the day never comes when "copy protection"
is applied to LD's.  That day draws nearer when statements as in
the above post are made.  At least say you want to BUY THE LD !

It has been reported, ad nauseum, that original UNCOPIED Macrovision
encoded tapes do not play properly on some TV sets.  Extra equipment
is then needed get around the problem.

This poster really wants a tape anyway, not an LD.  Infidel.

............................................................................
Roy Sette                                       Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.
                                                1111 Lockheed Way, O/82-10
rsette@lmsc.lockheed.com                        Sunnyvale CA 94088-3504
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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted from couple of LD's
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:10:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan04.025200.9983@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>In article <HM78907.92Dec31181127@kaarne.cs.tut.fi> hm78907@cs.tut.fi (Hannu Mikkola) writes:

>>Citizen Kane    Recommendations please; which version has the best
>>                combination of good transfer, affordable price and
>>                interesting supplementary material?

>I know only the old and new Criterion CAV versions, both about $100
>list.  Avoid the old.  The new one is a much better transfer.  Superb.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't find any problem with the old.  It was a superior
transfer to start with.    However, if buying now, it would
make sense to get the new one.  I bought the old disk when I
bought every title Criterion had at the time - Citizen Kane and
King Kong.   Each release had a slip in it and was numbered.
My Kane is in the 700 range and Kong in the 500 range.   I
think 'avoid the old' implies that it is a bad transfer, which
it is not.  

>Criterion also has a $40 CLV version which should be about the same
>image quality as the new CAV but has no supplements.  If you like the
>movie the new CAV (#CCl1259L) has one of Criterion's most stupendous
>supplements including an incredible 73 min long series of interviews
>with 3 faces on a screen (different voice on each soundtrack) with an
>incredible list of film people.  There is a B/W short made by Welles
>at age 19 and a gaggle of stills, storyboards, etc.   It's incredible.
>I believe there are several other CK's available on LD, perhaps others
>who've seen them can comment.

Since I am an avid Welles fan, I really do want to get the new
one, but there are SO MANY great disks out there just begging
to be taken home :-)

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Any new news?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:02:22 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In <1icrq8INN83m@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com> j_adams@fc.hp.com (John Adams) writes (WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU) wrote:
|: In article <1i9s09INNoin@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
|: says:
|: >So any new info on a release date?
|: I spoke with Mike at Mr. Dickens video in Sacramento Saturday (A real cool
|: place for mail order stuff.  Mike has it ALL.).  He said Summer of '93.  Ouch!
|: Anybody else heard anything?
|I talked with one of the local outlets last week that they stated the
|release slipped to January 15th.

I called Sight and Sound to order one today.  They said the street
date is tomorrow (1/6) though they had some, not enough, in.  Those
were being shipped; they expected to get more in week after next, from
which my copy would be shipped.

You will already have seen articles from a couple people who got
theirs ahead of official release date (because the stores sometimes
get them a little early and let them out before they're supposed to).

	/JBL
=
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pots: (617)873-3463  |
              N1MNF  |                               -- Roxanne Kowalski
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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: A few LD questions....
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:15:36 GMT

1) I heard mention of a Criterion release of The Fisher King.  Is this the
version I heard about that contains about an hour of cut material?  If
it is, does anyone have it?

2) Are Die Hards 1 and 2 worth the $50 price tag?  I was a little suprised
to see them at such a high price.

3) Is there only one version of Die hard 2 (the version with n minutes of
cut scenes put back in) or is there a regular and Criterion version?

Thanks for the help,
    Howard
From: ostrove@goofy.umd.edu (Steven M. Ostrove)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Japanese pressing of Cinderella (PILA-1124 vs PIMA-1124)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:05:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.065630.7285@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu  
(William R. Cruce) writes:
> I have the Japanese CLV version (#PILA-1124).  I have been unable to
> ascertain what the "LD+G" means.  It doesn't display anything on any
> U.S. LD player that I have seen.  I am guessing that perhaps it is
> something like Closed Caption encoding that allows display of Japanese
> language characters -and maybe only Japanese players are equipped to
> display it.  The pressing is quite fine.  English on the digital
> tracks, Japanese on the analog.  Some songs on the Japanese track are
> sung in English (by singers with slight Japanese accents) but most
> songs on that track, as well as the dialog, are in Japanese.  No subtitles.

My local Tower video has this LD (PILA-1124) for $49.95, but I have been
hesitent to get it because of a large sticker that says "Not In ENGLISH"
on the front, even though there are the words Multi-Audio on the wrapper.
What confuses me more, is that when I called up my normal source of LDs
(Ken Cranes in Ca.) they gave the # as PIMA-1124, with a price of $54.95.

So my question is...
What is the difference between the PILA-1124 and the PIMA-1124 versions?

Thanks in advance.
--
Steve Ostrove
ostrove@goofy.umd.edu
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: LBX Musicals
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:07:24 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: abyssinian.cs.utexas.edu

In article <C0Epwp.MFL@fc.hp.com> jayj@fc.hp.com (Jay Johannes (Lvld)) writes:
>Michael S Ritchie (mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: Does anyone know, for a fact, if any of these musicals are
>: available on LD, and letterboxed?
>:   Cabaret
>
>These are now all available letterboxed.  I have How to Succeed... and
>Cabaret.

Are you sure that Cabaret is letterboxed? The original video release 
was not, and in addition was cut to fit onto one disk. The second
release also was not letterboxed, but included digital sound and
the whole movie on two disks. Has there been as subsequent release
with letterboxing? I heard that this movie was soft-matte (like the
Godfather) and the matte was opened up for the video release (also
like the Godfather). (Trouble is, from looking at the new Godfather
release, I tend not to believe this.)

Doug

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From: jayj@fc.hp.com (Jay Johannes (Lvld))
Subject: Re: Where did the loonie tunes go?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:29:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Paco Ojeda (ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote:
: A series of single disc collections of Loonie Toones focusing on specific
: characters (Bugs, Daffy, etc.) was supposed to be released this past
: December (not to be confused with The Golden Age Of Loonie Toones
: volumes). Does anybody know what happened to these Warner releases?
I asked when i was down at Laserland in Denver last weekend. He told me
that Image has been saying "next week" for two months now. They promised
"for sure by Christmas".  Who knows?

  Jay "Free Beer" Nemeth-Johannes

Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee)
Subject: The Right Stuff arrives!
Summary: what a wait -- but worth it.
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:40:21 GMT


I just picked up my way-pre-reserved copy of The Right Stuff.  It should
be arriving at a dealer near you soon.  Here are my impressions from
my first half-viewing/skipping around:

Aspect ratio measures on my screen to be 1.95:1
The transfer is very good.  The master is also very good, with only
a few noticible flaws anywhere.  My pressing had a few crawlies lasting
for less than 3 seconds, but other than that, no complaints.

One thing that was slightly jarring is that all the newsreel footage is
cropped on the top and sides.  Since the first scene of the movie is
one of these, some novices might wonder what in the heck is going on.
Another interesting point is that it is clear the director framed many
scenes for the wide screen, but framed many others with television in
mind.  The combination should make for a good disc to demonstrate
the difference between the two types of composition.

I can't imagine a better presentation of this movie.  It was well worth
the wait for me.  But I haven't even mentioned the high point of the 
disc yet:  The sound!  This is destined to become a Surround (and even
Pro-Logic) showcase disc.  It's not at all showy (things aren't flying
around behind you all the time) but is perfectly effective.  And clean.

Summary:  if you like this movie, this disc is a must have.  If you're
looking for a good example of letterboxing in action, or a disc to
show off your sound system, this is a great choice.

dylan
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From: kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle)
Subject: Re: Holy Grail: Price?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:53:14 GMT

From article <1igca9INNkh5@umbc4.umbc.edu>, by klr@umbc3.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler):
> In article <1993Jan6.200057.9940@ac.dal.ca> tominatr@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>What's the price of the Holy Grail LD?
>>    - Tom N.
> 
> This may sound flip, but I never even noticed.  I just saw the one copy,
> grabbed it along with the copy of Baron Munchaussen and ran for the
> check out register.  Let me go find the receipt....$US 45.99 at The
> Video Station in Alexandria Virginia.
> 
You mentioned Baron Munchaussen...
Is this the older (RCA ?) version or the new LBX Criterion version that
they were supposedly working on?

John
Xref: sparky rec.video.releases:4164 rec.video:15746
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.video
Subject: Re: Dances With Wolves 4hr version
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:19:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video.releases
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu writes:


>What I have read in broadcast industry mags is that the 4 hour version
>of the film will not be released in the US until after that version is
>shown (this year, I think) on network TV as a mini-series. The movie
>was originally to be released in it's 4 hour version until the network
>(I don't remember which one) negociated otherwise for their own exclusive
>US premiere.

I have heard the exact same, so I think you're correct.  

JFK is scheduled for a new extended CAV Boxed Set release on the 20th.
Does anyone know what extras will be included in this set?
The selling price is worse than CBS/FOX ($175).  I should hope that it
contains original autopsy photos, a print of the Zapruder film and perhaps
even the magic bullet itself.   

Why so expensive?  Is this another case of trying to sabotage the film?

Bil Gonzalez
Xref: sparky rec.video.releases:4148 rec.video:15717
From: dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu (David Schuetz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.video
Subject: Re: Dances With Wolves 4hr version
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:45:57 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM

In article <C0nC2E.Cvt@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> u0f98@keele.ac.uk (DJ Robinson) writes:
>
>I bought the 4hr version on video from WH Smiths for #19.99 and on
>comparing it with the 3hr widescreen version with the use of a double

Is that available on LaserDisc?  And do they (watch it, folks--he's
reaching) have an NTSC version?

Barring that, does anyone know if there's a chance it'll ever be released
in the US?

d.
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie)
Subject: Re: LBX Musicals
Date: 05 Jan 93 21:25:02 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

"My Fair Lady" is my wife's favorite musical and we are going to be
buying a LD player soon so I wanted to know about the LBX version
of this title.  I know it's a CBX/FOX release so it runs $70, but since
I'm the one who *really* wanted a LD player, I figure I owe her this
much at least.

Any info on the quality of "My Fair Lady" in LBX?

Thanks


-Greg




-- 
Greg DeMichillie          Microsoft AFX         
gregde@microsoft.com      All opinions are mine, not Microsoft's
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Noises Off, on VHS or LD?
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:01:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1993Jan3.065453.4127@news.columbia.edu> fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) writes:
<
<Was Noises Off ever released on VHS or LD? 
<
	It is available on LD and it's sardines, I mean, letterboxed.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com

Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: Mitch=Kazel%Staff%UIUC=CMC@bigbird.will.uiuc.edu (Mitch Kazel)
Subject: Re: Two questions...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:31:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.173957.29836@cc.gatech.edu> keith@cc.gatech.edu (Keith Edwards) writes:
>Second question concerns Terminator and T2.  Does anyone know if there
>exists (or are plans to release) any "special editions" of these
>movies?  Something like the boxed Alien and Aliens editions?  How are
>the transfers on the "standard" versions?

There's a CAV box set of T2 available.
--
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Department of Journalism                             FAX:  (217) 244-3348
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From: bseymour@encore.com (Burch Seymour)
Subject: Complete Tex Avery?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:05:35 GMT


I just got off the phone with Kenm Crane's. The still don't have The
Complete Tex Avery set. No specific date were given to me. Just,
this month. Anyone out there in net-land have any info? A real
date? What's on it? Someone sent me e-mail the last time I asked
this and gave the opinion that it was all MGM material, so it 
wouldn't duplicate my Golden Age of Looney Tunes discs. That would
be nice. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,

-Burch Seymour- bseymour@encore.com
======================================================================
From: tominatr@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Golden Age of Looney Tunes 3: Years?
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:41:40 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

What years does Golden Age of Looney Tunes 3 cover?

     - Tom N.

Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: david@agora.rain.com (David Robinson)
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Any new news?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:51:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.192401.19393@microsoft.com> lesterw@microsoft.com (Lester Waters) writes:

>I just picked up a copy at TOWER last night...

Tower in Portland got theirs in today.

Which means that I got *mine* in today....

;-)

david


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: pink panther movies
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:03:38 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DJ>|> The Pink Panther - 1963, starring Larry Niven and Peter Sellers.  The
DJ>Isn't that DAVID Niven?

Yes it is, and I goofed.  That's what I get for writing messages at 6
AM.
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From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Criterion vs. Image
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:00:05 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

keith freedman (freedman@cs.colostate.edu) wrote:

> I'm a little confused.  The impression I'm getting here is that people
> like the criterion pressed disks better for many reasons than the Image
> Entertanment pressed disks.  The confusion is:  Image Entertainment
> distributed the Criterion disks.  Therefor, does Image Entertainment also
> press the Criterion disks, too?  If so, why is there a difference?  or is
> this that Name Recognition thing like paying more for the same shirt
> because it has an alligator on it?!

Criterion (actually Voyager Company) is a producer and distributor of
their own disc labels.

IMAGE is primarily a distributor (for many labels, including Voyager's)
and they produce a few discs as well.

Neither company "presses" discs.  Discs are pressed (or cast) by disc
manufacturers such as:  3M, Kuraray (Japan), Mitsubishi (Japan), Technidisc,
Pioneer (PCA/PVI and PVC Japan), Philips-Dupont (PDO), Sony (DADC and
CBS/Sony Japan), WEA (Warner)

Voyager is well regarded because they seek out top quality source material,
obtain excellent film-video transfers, fill out the package with extensive
supplements and notes, and avoid several disc manufacturers with poor
reputations and favor those with more attractive records.

Image has made poor-to-excellent discs, and at one time or another has had
discs pressed by virtually everybody, including their competitor Pioneer
(Pioneer LDCA is the other major distributor).  Image is moving towards
having more of their disc pressing done by Mitsubishi (who in turn, have a
stake in Image).

Regards,                                               Hewlett-Packard
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After 1/15:  rjn@CSN.ORG or 71044.2124@CompuServe.COM  Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: lesterw@microsoft.com (Lester Waters)
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Any new news?
Date: 07 Jan 93 19:24:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

I just picked up a copy at TOWER last night...