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From: tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Using gnu cpp with standard compiler
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:18:51 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Royal Oak, MI

In article <94789@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik) writes:
> In article 8DJ@hico2.westmark.com, kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel writes:
> > There was a discussion a while back
> > about how to use gnu cpp
> > with the standard 3B1 compiler.
 
> I have done this, and use gcc-cpp all the time.  I keep the original cpp for those
> times when the code I am compiling notices the difference, which with the
> proper changes is rare.
 
> Maybe when I get home, I can find the patches for gcc-cpp that I am currently
> using, and can post them.  I hope others do this also, so that we can come up
> with the definitive gcc-cpp patch for the 3b1.

Here are the patches I have been using so that gcc-cpp can replace the
stock cpp.  (Note that __cplusplus is mentioned here.  This is because I
bought a copy of Comeau C++, and wanted that to work also.  You can take
that line out if you wish.  G++ should not need any such patch.)

It appears that the only patch is to force the -traditional flag.
Everything else must have already been fixed.

(Note that this is for gcc-1.39.)

Tom Tkacik
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
*** cccp.c~	Sat Dec 29 16:35:54 1990
--- cccp.c	Fri Apr 12 21:27:01 1991
***************
*** 548,553
    int inhibit_predefs = 0;
    int no_standard_includes = 0;
  
    /* Non-0 means don't output the preprocessed program.  */
    int inhibit_output = 0;
  

--- 548,557 -----
    int inhibit_predefs = 0;
    int no_standard_includes = 0;
  
+   /* Non-0 means that this is gnu c not pcc */
+   /*  can tell if gnu c because -D__GNUC__ will be passed as an argument */
+   int gnuc = 0;
+ 
    /* Non-0 means don't output the preprocessed program.  */
    int inhibit_output = 0;
  
***************
*** 708,713
  	{
  	  char *p, *p1;
  
  	  if (argv[i][2] != 0)
  	    p = argv[i] + 2;
  	  else if (i + 1 == argc)

--- 712,723 -----
  	{
  	  char *p, *p1;
  
+ 	  if(!strncmp(argv[i],"-D__GNUC__",10))
+ 		gnuc = 1;
+ 
+ 	  if(!strncmp(argv[i],"-D__cplusplus",13))
+ 		cplusplus = 1;
+ 
  	  if (argv[i][2] != 0)
  	    p = argv[i] + 2;
  	  else if (i + 1 == argc)
***************
*** 800,805
        }
      }
    }
  
    /* Now that dollars_in_ident is known, initialize is_idchar.  */
    initialize_char_syntax ();

--- 810,819 -----
        }
      }
    }
+ 
+   /* make traditional if pcc */
+   if(!gnuc && !cplusplus)
+ 	traditional = 1;
  
    /* Now that dollars_in_ident is known, initialize is_idchar.  */
    initialize_char_syntax ();

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jetfuel@babbage.csus.edu (Dave Jenks)
Subject: 3b1 for sale - NOT
Summary: It's gone!
Keywords: 3b1 sale cheap no_disk no_monitor
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:05:48 GMT

The 3b1 I advertised is 100% gone.  The system, all spare parts,
working or not, software and manuals.  The dust from atop the monitor
and from within the floppy drive is also gone.

Thanks to everyone who contacted me.

--Dave+
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From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: WP51 running on DOS-73?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:21:24 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: global
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

I was installing WordPerfect 5.1 on a faculty member's PC when I noticed it
had a printer driver for the DEC LN03R Scriptprinter, which we have, so I
got excited and thought, "Hey, I should put this on our office 7300!"
(Yes, we are buying a multiuser license for WP).  Anyway, I transferred the
files over to the DOS-73 partition on my boss's 7300, but when you run it,
you get no startup screen; just a rapid and unceasing series of "beeps" that
can't be aborted short of bailing out of the DOS-73 system (or killing it).
Has anybody else run WP 5.1 on DOS-73?  I don't recall seeing it on the
"compatible software" list - I suppose it may not be happy with the skimpy
RAM availability.   

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1,comp.sys.att,comp.org.usenix
From: dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley)
Subject: January 1993 USENIX conference - any 3B1 users going?
Organization: Galaxia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:40:26 GMT

The January 1993 USENIX conference is only a month away and I was  wondering
if  anyone from the 3b1 group is going to be there, and if so do you want to
get together?  If enough people show up, we could have a BOF as we have  had
in  years  past.  If only a few people are going to show we could maybe just
get together for lunch or dinner.  For those of you that might be new  to  a
USENIX conference, a BOF is a Birds Of a Feather meeting.

The  conference  is  being  held  in San Diego, January 25th through January
29th.  Meeting space is made available for having BOF sessions  on  Tuesday,
Wednesday,  and  Thursday.   Wednesday  night  is  normally the night of the
USENIX reception.  Several times in the past we have had a  BOF  session  on
Wednesday,  after the reception, and this is OK with me.  In fact, if memory
serves me correctly, the first ever 3b1/unix-pc  BOF  was  held  immediately
following  the  reception  when  the  USENIX conference was last held in San
Diego (5 years ago?).  So this will be like a celebration of  the  birth  of
the 3b1 BOF.  Maybe if I get ambitious we can have a party of sorts.

Anyway,  what  I need to know is if you will be attending the conference and
if you are interested in attending a 3B1/unix-pc BOF session.  I  also  need
to  know  what night you prefer.  I need a reasonable estimate so that I can
call the conference people and reserve a room and they need to know how  big
of  a  room  we  need.   Please  e-mail your responses and indicate Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, or "no preference".  In case it makes any difference to
anyone, my preference is for Wednesday.

Also,  and  very important, if you will be attending the BOF do you have any
interesting projects that you can report on?   Maybe  we  could  get  status
updates  on  the  SCSI  board  project, the plain white monitor project, the
availability of the source code, or anything else that might  be  happening.
If  you have something of interest to report on but won't be able to make it
to San Diego, send me the info and I will present it to  the  group  and  in
turn send you any feedback I get.

The  BOF  is  also  a  good chance to get together and just shoot the breeze
about 3b1s, unix, or anything else.  One thing that I have found interesting
at  past  3b1  BOFs  is  getting  to  meet  people  face  to face that I had
previously "met" electronically.

If anyone wants to get together for dinner or lunch, either in place of  the
BOF  or  in  addition to it, I will be arriving in San Diego on Saturday the
23rd in  time  for  dinner,  and  leaving  the  next  Saturday  right  after
breakfast.   I  will be staying at the conference headquarters (the Town and
Country).
-- 
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From: lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Compress on my 3b1
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 12:19:51 -0500
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <1992Dec4.223919.11673@galaxia.network23.com> dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley) writes:

>Yes, that was me that both created the problem and then fixed it.  The
>original problem was exactly what someone else in this thread suggested,
>I had forgotten to set binary mode when transferring some files.  All of
>the files on both osu-cis and uunet have now been fixed.

Might it be possible to list those files that were affected?  So that a
retransfer could be made??

Thanks..

-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: toddwall@rock.concert.net (R. Todd Wall -- Catholic Diocese of Raleigh -- Computer Services)
Subject: Question about Expert Diagnostic Mode
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:34:26 GMT


	In the Expert Diagnostics mode when I do 6,6 which is the 
Non-Distructive HD test it says.  Start=48, num of block=39312, Increment=8

	Does Increment=8 mean that it checks every 8th block?  If so, how
do I set the Increment to 1 so that it'll check every block?



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From: machang@llewella.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Chang)
Subject: DOS73 board and software for sale
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:14:11 GMT

I have a DOS73 board for sale. It also comes with the software (a copy).

Ask $120 + shipping, or best offer.

Thanks

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley)
Subject: Re: Trying to reach ...
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.185329.9113@morwyn.uucp> forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
>Pardon the wasted bandwidth ...  I'm trying to reach David Brierly
>@ galaxia.  I've sent you several messages and wondered if you
>had gotten them. ???

In case anyone else is having similar experiences:  I am still alive but
have been extremely busy for the last month or so.  In that time I have
purchased a house, moved, gone through a very nasty and grueling lease
termination with my old landlord, worked more extra hours at my job than
I care to think about, and on top of all that I was sick for several
days.  I am starting to restore some semblance of order to my life but
now I have to deal with Christmas.  Rest assured that all of your mail
messages have been recieved and they will all be answered in due course.

Have a happy holiday season, whichever holiday you choose to celebrate.
As soon as I finish here I am probably going back into hibernation until
after New Years.  Maybe by then I will even have my new mother board
installed (hi david!).
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: scott@pascal.geom.umn.edu (Scott S. Bertilson)
Subject: Re: Help with aliases file in SMAIL
Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:08:55 GMT

  I'm pretty sure you cannot do this in the "aliases" file, but I
think you can accomplish your goal by an appropriate entry in the
"paths" file.  Essentially you will be diverting *all* traffic
formerly bound for the defunct machine so that it will be delivered
to defunct-machine-user-name on your machine.  This may not be quite
right, but perhaps a combination of this behavior with entries in the
"aliases" file will serve.  I would make an entry in "paths" (inserted
or sorted so that the file remains in sorted order since "smail" expects
to be able to do a binary search on it) something like this:
	defunct<TAB>%s
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: MH mailer program on 3b1
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:24:53 GMT

Has anyone compiled MH on the 3b1?  If so, please contact me as I am
attempting to do this with the recently released version 6.8, and could
use some advice in setting it up properly... the distribution is HUGE.

Thanks,

Forrest
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: WANTED HD circuit boards from DEAD hard drives
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:47:49 GMT

I still need three boards from MiniScribe 6085 (67 meg) hard drives. There
have got to be some dead hard drives out there, just gathering dust. They
aren't all that great as boat anchors or door stops. And certainly they
aren't any good as hard drives. Please remove the circuit boards from them
and sell them to me. I've got good hard drives and fried circuit boards.

Please.

Frank        

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From: steve@zero.com (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: WANTED HD circuit boards from DEAD hard drives
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:01:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beyonet - Zero Network

In <1992Dec15.074749.17439@nwnexus.WA.COM>, frank@halcyon.com writes:
>I still need three boards from MiniScribe 6085 (67 meg) hard drives. There
>have got to be some dead hard drives out there, just gathering dust. They
>aren't all that great as boat anchors or door stops. And certainly they
>aren't any good as hard drives. Please remove the circuit boards from them
>and sell them to me. I've got good hard drives and fried circuit boards.
	
	Sorry to be the bearer of bad new Frank but most HDs nowadays there
	arn't too many mechnical failures anymore like a bad bubble or 
	crashed heads. The main failure always is going to be the circuit
	boards. The companies that repair HDs know this and thats why you
	see exclusions in their deals and warrantys do not cover mechanical
	failure. They get most of their money by replacing boards. The
	boards arn't that hard to troubleshoot, especially if you have a
	HD troubleshooting guide its its real easy. Besides if you do pay
	for someones board I would Imagine your gambling here and buying
	them as-is since they probably are bad also...

	Good Luck and Happy Holidays.
	Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: toddwall@rock.concert.net (R. Todd Wall -- Catholic Diocese of Raleigh -- Computer Services)
Subject: Help with Bad Block Table
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:12:06 GMT


Yesterday, when my UnixPC crashed, it told me that it was really having
trouble working with Cylinder 102, Head 5, secter 1.  I would like to
put this in my bad block table, however, I would like to know the
best method.  Should I use Cyl,Head,Byte "How do I calc. Byte?"
			   Physical Sector "How do I get that number?"
			   Logical Block   "Ditto previous quote"

	Also, is there any way to look up and see what file is occupying
102,5,1 ???  I would like to salvage it before marking it bad.

	Any help will be greatly appreciated.....




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' '   /       /   / ' )   /      // // ' '   love, joy, peace, patience,
     / ______/ __/   / / / __.  // //        kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
   _/ (_) (_/_(_/_  (_(_/ (_/|_</_</         gentleness and self-control."
From: joeboy@byron.u.washington.edu (Aaron Toney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Is there any form of SMTP for the 3b1
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:31:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec15.213102.21667
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



If so what are they, and are they reliable?? can they be FTP'ed any where.

Thanks for the help
From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: c libraries + gcc
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:23:12 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 21144@news.acns.nwu.edu, richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter writes:
> I'm missing the c libraries on my 3b1.  Actually I have files like
> math.h but they don't contain much!  Can anyone direct me to where I
> might get some new ones.  Can I, for instance, just take them off my
> sun4?  I'd be happy to switch over to gcc.  I tried wandering through
> the gcc archives on csuvax but I got a little lost.

Do you have the compiler, but no libraries?  You will need to reinstall them.
If you have neither, then you do not have the development set.  Get it, and
install it.  The libraries will be included.
The *.h files are source files, while it seems that you are looking for the
run-time libraries.

Gcc will not do you any good without the libraries.  And you cannot take them from
your Sun.  The libraries are executable object code, and are very system
dependent.

Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Need help with a sick STARLAN card
From: flinton@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:52:43 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Dec13.183331.12955@umbc3.umbc.edu>, hybl@umbc4.umbc.edu (Dr. Albert Hybl (UMAB-BIOPHYS)) writes:
> I have a STARLAN card that fails its self test ... run without the 
> external cables connected to the card. 
>
Am I wrong, or doesn't the self-test assume that there's some sort of external
loopback arrangement set up among the DJ-45's on the card's back end?
Must consult what doc's I have at home to see whether I can learn something
useful to you from them.
                                      -- Fred
> Albert Hybl (hybl@umbc3.umbc.edu)

Fred E.J. Linton  Wesleyan U. Math. Dept.  649 Sci. Tower  Middletown, CT 06459
E-mail:  <FLINTON@eagle.Wesleyan.EDU>     ( or  <fejlinton@{att|mci}mail.com> )
Tel.:         + 1 203 776 2210 (home)      or     + 1 203 347 9411 x2249 (work)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: hybl@umbc4.umbc.edu (Dr. Albert Hybl (UMAB-BIOPHYS))
Subject: Re: Need help with a sick STARLAN card
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:35:09 GMT

Since my previous posting, I reseated the board several time and
reran the diagnostics--results were essentially the same.  However,
when I interchanged the 1/2 Mb memory expansion board with the STARLAN
board and then ran the diagnostics--THE STARLAN BOARD PASSED ALL THE
TESTS! The 1/2 Mb memory expansion board also passes the memory and
parity test when I used the UNIX PC Diagnostic Disk.  I installed
the STARLAN software and connected it to one of the another
3b1 and was able to send mail and transfer files.  I think the
STARLAN board can be installed into any expansion slot and don't
know why it didn't work in the middle slot; the memory expansion
board does.  Well as J. Heywood said: "All is well that ends well."

Thank you and Happy Holidays,
Albert (hybl@umbc4.umbc.edu)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter)
Subject: c libraries + gcc
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:54:02 GMT

I'm missing the c libraries on my 3b1.  Actually I have files like
math.h but they don't contain much!  Can anyone direct me to where I
might get some new ones.  Can I, for instance, just take them off my
sun4?  I'd be happy to switch over to gcc.  I tried wandering through
the gcc archives on csuvax but I got a little lost.

Thanks,
Bill Richter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dke@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: stoped working...
Summary: restored from backup and it now dont work!
Keywords: ethernet drivers....
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:24:17 GMT


My 3b1s miniscribe died (no small surprize)
and when i restored everything from backups
the ethernet stuff didnt make it all accross :(
I have bought the machine used and have absolutly
no idea what needs to be added to make it work again.
although i have a sneeking hunch it has to do with the
ptys....
anyone know where i can actually get a install set
(or borrow one for a few days) so i can restore
my ehternet service ?

-- 
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dke@epx.cis.umn.edu  | You will be remembered only by the problems 
(612) 488 4014       | you solve and the problems you create!   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: digbyt@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Digby Russell Simon Tarvin)
Subject: Ram stuffing combo boards..
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:31:48 GMT

I have a 0Mb RAM/serial combo board and would like to try 
populating it with some memory. I am seeking the advice
of any hardware Gurus out there that might have gone through
this exercise for tips on the advisability of the project.

I have the appropriate pages from the service manual giving
schematics, so I should be able to work out what chips are
needed. It does look as though more than just the ram chips
are needed.

Thanks for any suggestions/advice

DigbyT.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Subject: Re: Need help with a sick STARLAN card
Organization: Little to None
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.003509.1439@umbc3.umbc.edu> hybl@umbc4.umbc.edu (Dr. Albert Hybl (UMAB-BIOPHYS)) writes:
>Since my previous posting, I reseated the board several time and
>reran the diagnostics--results were essentially the same.  However,
>when I interchanged the 1/2 Mb memory expansion board with the STARLAN
>board and then ran the diagnostics--THE STARLAN BOARD PASSED ALL THE
>TESTS! The 1/2 Mb memory expansion board also passes the memory and
>parity test when I used the UNIX PC Diagnostic Disk.

I've dealt with numerous 3B1/7300 machines in the past five years.  I have
seen more than a few cases where a given board just did not work in a given
slot.  I've seen a few cases where only a memory board will work in a given
slot.  Sometimes, there is an obvious problem getting the connector on the
board to engage the backplane.  At other times, this doesn't appear to be a
problem.

I've come to suspect it has something to do with the alignment of the slots
and the backplane and the critical distance between the pins and the back of
the case.  The backplane adjustment on the 3B1 case seems to be critical.
Note that the half-meg board almost never causes problems, because it it
just inserted until the connectors mate -- there is no rear flange to stop
it from fully engaging the backplane.  My advice is that, if you can find a
combination where all the boards work, use it.  I'm glad you appear to have
found such a layout.
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