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From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Subject: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.132257.16137@ni.umd.edu>, louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes...
#I have left a compressed PostScript version of the manual on
#sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the /pub/next/submissions directory.  I have
#not yet decided what format future versions will be in, but its likely
#to be in RTFD.
# 
Louie earlier was a little reluctant to do this, because he'd lose his 
page numbers, headers/footers.  Another annoyance about RTFD documentation
(that I don't recall seeing mentioned) is that if you print the doc out,
there's a good chance that you can split a graphic over two pages.

   Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: 3.0 Librarian
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:29:58 GMT

In article <Bv7LE3.DvK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Mike Matthews writes

>> How about modules?
>
>I think that's an excellent idea.  Upgrade the module, and both NG and Mail are  
>upgraded (plus whatever else uses that module).  Sounds like a great way to do  
>it!

Interesting, but you guys are speaking another language. For those of us still 
waiting for 3.0, what are these "modules" you're talking about? Are you sure 
that NG and Mail both use them? (Since NG is a 2.1 app, this seems unlikely).

Dave Griffiths
From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Edit.app in 3.0.  Goto Line # removed!
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:20:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1atbb9INN87k@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.230256.22628@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) writes:
>>In article <PAUL.92Oct6104321@music.sie.arizona.edu> paul@music.sie.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) writes:
>>>Did I miss something, or did they actually remove the "jump to line #"
>>>feature (command-l) from Edit?  How could they do this???
>>>--paul
>>
>>	You need to order front Edit's Preferences panel, select "Developer
>>Mode", quit and then restart Edit.  This will enable the Line Range menu under
>>Edit->Find (among other goodies)!
>>
>
>Any idea on how to enable the auto indent?
>Thanks,
>
>		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)


	People, startup Edit; bring up the Preferences panel (i.e.,
Info->Preferences...).  Select "Developer Mode" and click on the Set button
at the bottom.  Quit and restart Edit.  Bring up the Preferences panel again;
note the pop-up menu list on the top part of the panel.

	The auto-indent options are found under the "Text Options" submenu!

--Felix
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app to work?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.175746.15312@muddcs.claremont.edu>  
wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III) writes:
> 
> CDPlayer never auto-boots for me either.  When CDPlayer is running, I can  
> insert a CD and it will keep it in the drive instead of auto-ejecting it as  
> usual.  But it will not recognize the CD as audio and allow me to play it.   
It  
> just sits there in the drive doing nothing and it seems to read my hard drive  
> periodically while it does this.  It doesn't matter whether I am root or not  
> when this occurs.  I tried what some suggested of moving CDPlayer to  
> LocalApps, but that made no difference.  Could it be that I am using an Apple  
> CD-ROM drive?  It looks and operates just like the NeXT drive in every other  
> way (i.e. I installed 3.0 from it).
> 
> Looking forward to coaxing out some music from this thing.
> 
Well, despite my other gripes about 3.0, I have to say that CDPlayer 'just  
works' on my machine.  In fact, I 'discovered' it when I mounted an audio disk  
just to see what it would do.  CDPlayer poped right up, and worked/works great!

> -- Frank
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
>                           | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
> NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Adobe/Sun Announce
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:03:08 GMT

In article <2097@ltb.ltb.bso.nl> wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
> 
> Ha, Ha Ha Haaaaaa, Ha HA HA, Haaaaaaa!
> 
> Oh, btw, how is Sun making DisplayPostScript run on those X terminals? I said
> this would happen. NeWS will die, and as soon as Sun announced the coop with  
X
> terminal producers I knew it would die.
> 
> It is also bad news for NeXT in the long run. This is an attack on one of
> their key advantages. However, Sun must make it work yet.
> 
> Did someone say "Bud Tribble?"
No one involved with Display Postscript said Bud Tribble. I don't think he was  
the DPS man - that was done primarily by Leo Horowitz (spelling is surely  
wrong) and a few others. Bud Tribble worked with DPS, but I don't think he's  
the man SUN would go to to implement and integrate DPS with Solaris.

-Scott Wisdom
wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Subject: Re: AUUUUG! December ship on July order!
Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:13:15 GMT

IMHO, this deal is a BIG problem. They are so "disorganized" by a lack of
a better word. That even their local dealer here in Milwaukee, doesn't even
have one.  But, what do those guys care about people like you or I.
See if you have gotten an apology, telling you that the drive is
late, and its going to be a hell of a lot LATER yet.

I bet if our orders came from a "BIG" company, 50-100 drives would be easily
found. More disturbing is the fact that they don't ship according to the
order number. Anyone got the email address for the new person at NeXT that is
supposed to change things. I need to give him a little of my mind since the
#1 boss doesn't really seem to answer his email.


Ah yes, they suggested that I go down to Chicago (90+ minutes drive each way)
and took my computer there for an upgrade. So, lets see, thats about 7 or so
hours @ 80/hr = $560 of my time. Absolute BS.

Later,

 


-- 
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons to buy a HoUSE instead of a NeXT
Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:33:41 GMT

 Yeah, but escrow on your HoUSE probably won't take as long as waiting
for your NeXT... If you want a CD-ROM drive, that is.


Steve

-- 
            Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School
             steve@faerie.chi.il.us -=NeXTmail always nice=- 
     "All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tssnext!rick (Richard Jacoby)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Organization: Total System Software
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.034951.22087@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) writes:
> In article <1992Sep27.150705.2142@lkba.uucp> uunet!lkba!lkb writes:
> >
> >I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that anyone could get away with  
> >selling their own implementation of Windows, running on the native hardware,  
> >without being subject to the "Look and Feel" litigation of todays computer  
> >software business.
> 
> That would be rich.  Microsoft trying to defend themselves from a "Look and
> Feel" suit by Apple over Windows, while suing someone else for the same
> thing.
> 
> Chris

If I'm not mistaken that is what happened to Apple.  I remember something about  
Apple suing micro-soft for look and feel, while defending themselves from  
Xerox...


Rick
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: AUUUUG! December ship on July order!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:09:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: golem.HARDY.92Sep29120916
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
In-reply-to: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org's message of Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:18:05 GMT

Maybe it's all for the best: by December we'll get a bug-free version
of 3.0a ;-)

--
Hardy 
-----
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e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: CCGREG@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Greg Johnson)
Subject: Re: Mathematica- can't get our passwords
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:19:49 CDT

I made an email request to WRI in late August for two dozen passwords.
On inquiring 24 hours later (Thursday evening) as to its status, I was
told that the system that handled this had been down for several days.
I was to get my passwords by Monday.  When their machine came up on
Friday, at least one of their people came in at 7 on Saturday morning
and returned to me by email those passwords.  We subsequently had a
couple of two-password requests that were handled over the phone with
no problem.
 
:  Greg Johnson, Senior Scientific Programmer/Analyst -- Campus Computing
:  233 Heinkel Building, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65203
:  ccgreg@missouri.edu 314-882-2000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Considering getting an SGI indigo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:09:08 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) writes:
> 
> >Here's what the "Setup and Tutorial" says:
> >
> >"Warning: NeXT computer systems generate, use, and can radiate radio
> >frequency energy, ...
> >   ...    The systems have been tested and found to comply
> >with the limits for a Class A computing device

> >Operation of a NeXT system in a residential area is likely to
> >cause interference, in which case the user at his or her own
> >expense will be required to take whatever measures may be
> >required to correct the interference."
> 
> FCC B is a requirement for home use. NeXT does not accept any
> responsibility for costs or whatever which a home user may suffer
> in order to correct that interference. What if the interference
> happens to result in something serious happening?
>  
> I use a Cube at home. I am extremely concerned at this time re the
> lack of FCC B (and the equivalent up here) status of my equipment.
> It is unclear to me just how liable I would be for some serious
> mishap.

"Serious mishap" would mean you turn on your NeXT and the TV in the  
neighbors home or apartment will get a lot of snow in the picture.  It  
doesn't mean the neighbor's TV will blow up, or that anyone in your area  
will suffer medical problems.  The "Class A" certification pretty much means  
you're not going to get sued for turning it on.

"Responsibility of costs" means you'll have to spend money (or do something)  
such that no snow occurs on the neighbor's TV set (or radio, or whatever the  
neighbor is complaining about) when you turn on your NeXT.  It would be  
sufficient for you to simply not turn you NeXT on.  It would be sufficient  
for you to, at the time of the complaint, move your NeXT to your office.

And, last I heard, NeXT's machines actually met the Class B requirement,  
it's just that NeXT did not want to have that certified because that would  
cause hassles whenever they made any engineering change to the machine.   
(eg: Add new memory subsystem, go back to the FCC to get the certification).

So, you shouldn't see any problems, but if you do see the problems all that  
will happen (in the US) is that you'll be required to add some sheilding, or  
leave your NeXT off, or move your NeXT to a commercially-zoned area.  And if  
there's a big debate with your neighbor over the snow on his TV set, he'll  
have the legal upperhand (forcing you to do something) since the NeXT is not  
certified as being class B.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Appsoft Image & scanner driver question
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:25:40 GMT
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Michael B. Johnson writes

> Barring that, does anyone know if Appsoft Image will be able to
> directly control a scanner, ala PhotoShop's drop in filters for
> scanners?  This would really open up third party scanners to the
> NeXT. Of course I forgot to ask anyone from Appsoft at Seybold...

Image does have plug-ins for scanner control, and will eventually
have 'Twain' drivers according to what I was told.

--
Scott Byer                             NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons to buy a HoUSE instead of a NeXT
Reply-To: jjfeiler@relief.com
Organization: relief consulting
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:25:05 GMT

In article <2351@ks25.chi.il.us> dougw@ks25.chi.il.us (Doug Waldron) writes:
> 
> I have been following the NeXT groups for almost a year.
> I am also a NeXT Registered developer.
> I wanted to buy NeXT machine with color, but prices have
> not dropped in the past 9 months.
> 
> So, I'm going to buy a HoUSE instead.  Sad to admit, but
> the choice has come down to a HoUSE or a NeXT machine.
> 
> Why?
> 
> 10. The down payment on a HoUSE (around here) is less than the cost
>     of a NeXT configured the way I need it... and I don't need a
>     student discount.
>  9. HoUSEs are somewhat upgradable
>  8. HoUSEs go up in value (unless you're in New England)
>  7. There are more games available for HoUSEs
>  6. I can buy pieces for a HoUSE from many different vendors
>  5. When buying a HoUSE, I don't have to wade through volumes
>     of propaganda. (Just volumes of forms)
>  4. I don't have to wait for the next version to get rid of bugs.
>  3. Japan doesn't have %30 of the stock in my HoUSE
>  2. 3 years from now, my HoUSE will not be obsolete
> 
> And the number one reason why I'm buying a HoUSE instead of NeXT:
> 
>  1. No one will describe my HoUSE as "insanely great."
> 
> ]R
> (Hey SP!)

I have been following the NeXT groups for over a year
I am also a registered developer
I already have a Color slab
I wanted to buy an NRW when it comes out, but it looks like we won't actually  
see one for 6 months or so, and interest rates are likely to go up after  
election day.

So, I'm going to buy a HoUSE instead.  Sad to admit, but the choice has come  
down to a HoUSE or another NeXT machine.

Why it would be better to buy a NeXT instead of a HoUSE:

10	Even a fully loaded NRW won't cost as much as a HoUSE.
9	I can't get a developer's discount on a HoUSE.
8	You never have to mow your NeXT's lawn.
7	You can take your NeXT with you if you move.
6	On a NeXT, you always have a home. (Home directory that is) And it  
	even has a little light that comes on when you move stuff into it.
5	You don't need to go through escrow to buy a NeXT.
4	The bank doesn't own 90% of my NeXT.
3	You can't buy a house with Display Postscript
2	I can add storage capacity to my NeXT without having to get a 
	building permit.

And last but not least.....

1	No one has ever described a house as "insanely great." 


=-) =-) =-)

	John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Leveling the playfield at the expense of users? (was: Re: 3.0 Librarian)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:47:51 GMT

Nick Christopher writes
> I have been wondering that myself.

If they follow the path they did with BackSpace, it could be in for an  
improvement at the cost of no longer being an offical NeXT app (but instead  
wandering into that grey area of ownership and responsibility.  Kind of like  
NewsGrazer, except we don't all get source to NG.  I think application demos  
are necessary, but I see no reason why Librarian shouldn't keep what  
functionality it had.  NeXT could supply source and say, if you want added  
functionality, add it on yourself or purchase a third-party substitute.)

> I want to believe that they either saw the functionality as useless or
> it was lost in the shuffle of switching to the use of the indexing kit. 

Let's hope so.  I'd hate to lose Librarian, but I'd also hate to have to end up  
buying apps that I consider part of the system (Librarian is one such app).

> But the lack of response from NeXT to my various queries makes me
> annoyed and suspicious. 

I hear you there.  Definately.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy)
Subject: (ANSWERED) help with troff... it's driving me NUTS!
Organization: University of New Orleans
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:39:19 GMT

Edward Murphy writes
> 
> alright... 
> 
> is there *any* type of troff viewer anywhere that i can use on the NeXT?  
i  
> have some troff man pages for procmail that i'm trying to get  
> printed/viewed/whatever in some decent manner. thus far i've tried  
deroff  
> (it mangled it), psroff (apparently works best with ditroff since when i  
> piped troff -t output to it, the text came out as one big block), and  
> troff2ps which (IMHO) is a dog (hey, but it did bold the words that were  
> bolded...). I've also tried to put these pages into a library, but to no  
> avail. If anyone has any new suggestions or additions to my earlier  
> attempt above, please, please for god sake (waxing melodramatic aren't  
> we?) email me.
> 
> thank you for listening...
> 
> ed
From: layhe@rcnext1.rc.arizona.edu (robert w. layhe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 3.0 fun n' games
Keywords: 3.0
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:06:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

i upgraded th 3.0 yesterday and some strange things occurred that i though i  
would share.  the upgrade went normal.  in my own account however some strange  
things happened.

1. i could not logout using the logout button
2.  i could not use the recycler
3.  i could not mount cd's or floppies
4.  no console tool would come up
5.  my file viewer window had in its title bar "Directory Window"

i thought that somehow the workspace manager had gotten corrupted but it turned  
out that my .NeXt/.NeXTdefaults.L file did not get updated as it should have  
for reasons yet unknown.  i renamed that file, reran preferences and all is  
sorta fine for now.

--
Robert W. Layhe		     | Internet: layhe@arizona.edu 
Research Computing	     | NeXTmail: layhe@rcnext1.rc.arizona.edu
Computer Center 112	     | Bitnet: layhe@arizona
University of Arizona	     | PhoneNet: 602.621.2284
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.150705.2142@lkba.uucp> uunet!lkba!lkb writes:
>
>I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that anyone could get away with  
>selling their own implementation of Windows, running on the native hardware,  
>without being subject to the "Look and Feel" litigation of todays computer  
>software business.

That would be rich.  Microsoft trying to defend themselves from a "Look and
Feel" suit by Apple over Windows, while suing someone else for the same
thing.

Chris

-- 
Christopher D. Audley
Elec & Comp Engineering
The Johns Hopkins University
Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:36:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Sep29.203803.12888@terminator.cc.umich.edu>  
srosie@ftp.ifs.umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) writes:
> Well, the subject says it all.  I was wondering if anyone's loaded
> 3.0 onto a 68040 cube with only 8 megs (sniff) of memory?  How
> slow should I expect the system to run compared with 2.0? 

Well, nova's got 16MB, but it's pretty busy a lot of the
time. :-)  I haven't had any speed problems with 3.0.  I did
reload the software from scratch, though.

Our lab machines were upgraded (though they were all
reformatted about a year ago), and they too have 16MB (but
mostly >'030s<), and they're running pretty well too. 
NetInfo junk is about a zillion times faster, so if you
have a huge group or passwd file, things are a lot better
under 3.0.  NI lookups were sometimes intolerably slow
before, and I haven't had a complaint yet under the new
system.

I was running a 3.0 client and a 2.1 client (of a 3.0 server)
head to head, and the 3.0 client blew it away for anything
that had to do with NetInfo (which is most everything).  I
didn't notice any differences for simple apps.  

Overall, I don't know what speed problems people are
having, but I'm not having them here, and I haven't heard
complaints from lab users yet.  (But I'm sure we all will if
they're reading this. :-) ) 

Allen B (6 down and 3 to go)
From: jalegre@tsp.med.umn.edu (John Alegre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NewsGrazer and flat files.
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:35:03 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

Is there a way to configure NewsGrazer to read
work with flat ascii files like the compilation
files found in the News directory of sonata.cc.purdue.edu?

Thanks
John N. Alegre
Andante Systems

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