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From: schieber@jetson.uh.edu (Schieber, Jay D.)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:04:00 GMT

In article <92Sep11.013951.14420@acs.ucalgary.ca>, bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes...
>In article <18o08jINNnju@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>>
>>According to Radio Netherlands, the Netherlands and the U.S. recently
>>signed an "open skies agreement" -- it gives U.S. airlines the right
>>to fly domestic flights in the Netherlands as well as Dutch airlines
>>the right to fly domestic flights in the U.S.
>Domestic flights in the Netherlands, eh?   Big deal...
> 
> 
> 
>Sounds like getting something for nothing to me.  Out of character?

Yes, the domestic market in the Netherlands is almost laughable.
However, the US has been looking for unrestricted overseas flights
to Europe, and I believe this was included.

> 
>Luc B
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:04:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.185035@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.151838.27007@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>|> If domestic airline prices become
>|> too high, Canadians will just cross-border shop on US carriers flying
>|> between major Canadian cities through US hubs...
>
>Gerald, have you ever travelled through a major US hub?

Yes, O'Hare, Minneapolis-St.Paul, Stapleton, LAX,
and that is why I am for the merger (although my worst
airport experiences have been at Pearson before the recent
renovations and expansion)...because if both
CAI and AC became subsidiaries of American carriers, that is
what we would end up doing any way.  More Canadian jobs will
ultimately be saved by the merger, and ultimately I believe
that better inter-Canadian service (although deep discounts
seats won't exist) will also exist because of it.  A new
air treaty is in the works already which undoubtedly will
open the skies a bit of a crack more anyway, and the potential
to cross-border air shop will ultimately be a control on
domestic prices...and a boost for high-speed rail.

Plus I don't believe in governments subsidizing the foreign
takeover of Canadian corporations...if American wants to
buy into CAI, fine...let it be a commercial transaction...
but we would have an American carrier controlling almost
all of the important international Canadian-Asian routes.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.francais
From: IK20039@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (SEAN O'TOOLE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Help .... I am i search of work ....
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:29:23 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I am a University student,who , after being burdened down with financial
problems (I studied i the US {Maine}), have decided to work for a while
before I return.  I am Looking toward Ontario (I used to live in Toronto
and K-W).  If any one can help me in discussing the job market in Southern
Ontario, or even New York (buffalo) area, it will be much appreciated.  This
account will be closed soon so please address any replies to my fiaces account:

ik00047@maine.maine.edu

and please have the name "Sean" somewhere in the subject heading.

snail mail is also ok ....
my address stateside is :

Sean O'Toole
3 Hall Street Apt. 2
Fort Kent Me, 04743 USA

and a Canadian address is:

Sean O'Toole
c/o Steve O'Toole
P.O. Box 3104 PS A
Moncton, NB, Canada

Any help will be appreciated.


please do not flame me for where this is posted .... It is the best place
I know!

sean O'toole
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6507 can.francais:527
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: FREE TRADE WITH A FREE QUEBEC
Keywords: FTA, NAFTA
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:03:09 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <BuDCKn.Bu7@acsu.buffalo.edu> v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION) writes:
>In article <BuCBsx.L77@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes...
>>In article <Bu4txB.F6K@acsu.buffalo.edu> v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION) writes:
>>>
>>It must work if Europe is more integrated, since USA will loose markets.
>>While Quebec is 1% of market, it would be easier to integrate her to NA
>>than to Europe.
>> 
>>However, there is supposedly a clause in NAFTA so that Quebec will have
>>to re-negociate all the agreement.  If we consider the current version
>>(too in favor of USA), it would not be a bad thing to re-negociate!
>> 
>>-- 
>>  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>> /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
>>J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
>>\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
>
>How did you get "1%"?  and   Will you vote "YES" or "NO" in the referendum?
>
>Comment est-ce que vous avez trouve' 1%  et  Est-ce que vous allez voter
>{{OUI}} ou {{NON}}?

Grossiere approximation.  En fait, c'est a peu pres le rapport des
populations (7:250 millions) ou environ 3%.  Exclure le Quebec signifierait
reduire le marche de 3%.  QUand on connait les millions que Pepsi et
Coke utilisent pour augmenter leur part de marche de 1%.
Et je vais voter NON a une question dont le camp du OUI ne parle pas.
Tout le contraire de 1980.  A ce moment, le camp du NON disait que NON
est un OUI a un renouvellement (qui n'a pas eu lieu).  Aujourd'hui, le
camp du OUI dit que NON est un OUI a l'independance.

Ce qui me choque c'est l'hypocrisie de l'opposition federale dans le camp
du OUI.  Si le NON l'emporte au Quebec et qu'il y a des elections federales,
cette opposition dira que l'accord n'etait pas bon de toutes facons.


>
>Ciao et a la prochaine,
>Jesse


-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:28:11 -0400 
From: "Daniel R. Frey" <df29+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: voting dual citizens

   Heres my problem, I'm a dual citizen, I was born American and have
since become a Canadian.  In my travels I have been informed that I am
not able to vote in an election otherwise I jeopardize my citizenship in
the other country.  Can someone tell me if this is true?!  Can I vote in
Canada and not America or vice versa.  With two very noteworthy
elections coming up I have come to realize not voting will hardly count
as a protest vote against Bush.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: <C53923@JPNKUDPC.BITNET>
Subject: "AIRLINE_MERGE"
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:30:38 GMT

Andrew Pape
University of Tottori, Japan
@jpnkyoto.kyoto-u.ac.jp:c53923@jpnkudpc.bitnet

Hello
I am in Japan, and there is a dearth of information on Canadian matters.
I normally live in Halifax.  Anyway, coud somebody please send me some details
on the recent airline merge to the internet address above.  I would really
appreciate that.  I hav limited access to the newsgroup, so please send
it to me directly.  My bitnet address is: c53923@jpnkudpc.bitnet.

Thanks
Andrew Pape
University of Waterloo,On/University of Tottori, Japan
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:40:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep8.184448.1820@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
>>In article <1992Sep8.144121.13595@epas.toronto.edu> gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes:
>>>Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
>>>is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
>>>figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
>>>booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
>>>at least $70 Billion.
>>
>>And what's the figures for their assets?  (And those of
>>Ontario Hydro?)
>
>Forgive me, but I do not understand the relevance of the question. Are you
>suggesting that should Ontario have trouble servicing its debt, it could
>start selling off bits and pieces; e.g. Ont Hydro, the ROM, a highway, a
>hospital, an OPP building, etc?

I suppose it could. Which doesn't necessarily mean it should.  It
could also charge for services.  Again, I don't necessarily claim 
that would be advisable.

More simply, the question seems to be whether it's bad management to
get a mortgage and buy a house, just on the basis that it
would increase my debt level.  Can that be compared to borrowing
money to take off to Hawaii?

In other words, an increase in debt that is used to finance
useful infrastructure development  may not be unwise, especially
if it is going to be amortized by tax revenue from those people
in the future who are going to benefit most (or use the infrastructure.)

However, a deficit increase a la Reagan/Bush, that ends up paying
for current expenses or the Savings and Loans fiasco is another
isssue.

Thus my question: are there assets?  Or in the language of the
accountants, what's the net value/net debt?

Luc B.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: qazi@nevada.edu (USMAN QAZI)
Subject: Need info. on university shooting
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:41:03 GMT


 I was quite startled to see news reports of a shooting incident at
Concordia University involving V. Fabrikant. A few weeks ago, his postings
on alleged unethical publishing by his colleagues were in sci.research.

 Could anyone post more info. on what happened and who got shot?

Usman


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,alt.desert-storm
From: berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:59:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.165429.2379@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>THE CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
> [...]
?
Does this post address european issues?

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,alt.desert-storm

Let me see, what does it have to do with New-Zealand and Canada?

	- Nick, did you feel concerned by the "call of qur'an"?
	- The what?
	- In your newsgroup. The "call of qur'an".
	- The what?
	- Never mind. Can I have one of your kiwis? Thanx.
	  Mike, did you read your newsgroup today?
	- Yes. Where did you get that kiwi?
	- Nick gave it to me. So you read the "Call of Qur'an"?
	- No. It was too long. Hey Nick! Could I have a kiwi too?
Nick:	- C'mon guys! JF already took one, I was supposed to bring them
	  back home.
JF:	- Well you have at least read the 2 first paragraphs?
Mike:	- Sure. That had nothing to do with Canada. Can you reach Nick's
	  bag from where you seat?
Nick:	- I heard that! Ok you can have one.
Mike:	- Thanx.
JF:	- Kiwis are kinda messy when you eat them without a spoon.
Mike:	- Yeah. Nick knows how to choose them, doesn't he?
JF:	- He sure does...
------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: FREE TRADE WITH A FREE QUEBEC
Keywords: FTA, NAFTA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:28:39 GMT

In article <Bu4txB.F6K@acsu.buffalo.edu> v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION) writes:
>
>Are there any opinions out there about a free trade agreement between the US, 
>Canada, maybe Mexico, and a FREE Quebec?  Do you think it would work?  Why or 
>why not?
>
>Please back up your opinions with facts and statistics, NOT heart-felt emotion.

You want a fact?  There will be no Quebec separation in the near future.
In October, Quebeckers (and Canadians in other provinces) will vote to
accept the current constitutional proposal.  Not necessarily because
they're enthusiastic about it (I doubt a lot of people in Canada are
enthusiastic about it), but because we are all tired of the wrangling.

It's not a great deal.  But it's "good enough", given that the
alternative is continued turmoil.  And Quebeckers, like all of us,
really just want to live in peace.

So your question becomes meaningless, unless you like playing "what-if"
games.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:54:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I think that the Federal government did a very poor job of dealing with this.
There is much that could have been done to reduce the operating costs of Air
Canada and Canadian by reducing duplication, rather than merging the airlines.

Here's two examples: Why do both airlines need their own reservation system?
And why do both of them need to rent a set of gates at each airport that they
both fly to?
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: 9 Sep 1992 04:57:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I was the one that made the first posting re: Ontario's $11 billion
deficit and a comparison with a similar situation in California.
I am very interested in this discussion although I am not a 
student of economics.  Jobs continue to disappear here in
California mostly to other states where wages are lower and
of course to Mexico.
On the discussion of selling assets, I do not know that much
about Ontario but that it does have an extensive forest industry.
I suppose a question could be raised whether than industry is
being handled in an efficient manner as well.
Personally I am a strong environmentalist and well as a social
or political liberal and I commend Ontario for its medical
program and general provisions of the basic necessities of
life.
However, I believe we are looking at a greater recession 
ahead.  Jobs may have to be created and I am currently study
ing how for example here in the US, some of the defense
budget can be redirected.
There are "radical" solutions being proposed:  work programs
financed by gov similar to the WPA of the 30s, a new proposal
to allow free homesteading of small farm land parcels in
some states where larger farms have been foreclosed at a
high rate for over a decade, encouragement and support of
the concept of employee owned businesses, job creation as
a significant result of clean energy programs (the Green
Peace 5% Proposal for redirecting defense money), etc.
If the situation gets significantly worse, I suspect some
of these programs may be proposed.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill)
Subject: Re: Telnet Poll on the Constitution
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:54:50 GMT

medusa@ac.dal.ca writes:

>All this talk on polling has inspired me to call for all interested
>parties to participated in a telnet poll on the proposed new consti-
>tution.  I want to know whether 
>         1.  Whether you are goint to vote yes or no

Conditionally yes, but lets see the final text first.

>         2.  What determined your response.  Please make this short,
>             for example,"I voted no because I reject senate reform.

While there is much I dislike about the deal, none of it, even together, is
enouh to get me to vote no.

>         3.  I want to know what part of the country you are from.

B.C.

--
Arnold Gill --- astrophysician trainee in exile             gill@physics.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.051538.10993@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
> Well I heard on the news tonight that Canadian  and Air Canada will become
>one. I just wanted to express my whole-hearted feelings about this:
>
>I think it's horrible. A monopoly airline will charge whatever they please
>and do whatever they wish without the competition

Bring back the train!  Bring back the train!

Heck, if the govt spent as much money on train travel as it does on air
travel or roads, we'd have the best train system in the world - bullet
trains from the Maritimes to BC, to start.  At 200 mph, it wouldn't
take much longer to get anywhere than by plane.

I know, I'm a dreamer.  Trains aren't "modern" enough.  (Heck, tell
that to the people behind France's and Japan's super-trains!)  But
I still don't know of a more pleasant way to travel than by train.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:44:35 GMT

891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:

> Well I heard on the news tonight that Canadian  and Air Canada will become
>one. I just wanted to express my whole-hearted feelings about this:

>I think it's horrible. A monopoly airline will charge whatever they please
>and do whatever they wish without the competition

     I have heard that the new airline is the size of Lufthansa (though not
nearly as healthy).  Anyway, I don't know what the problem is here.  Every
European country has an essential monopoly for their national airline.  This
includes SAS, Swiss Air, Lufthansa, Air France, Austrian Airlines, British
Airways, El Al, Iberian Airlines, etc.  Now we add one more monopolistic
airline to the cast.  Big deal!

     Competition sounds great, until it goes to the point, as in Canada, 
where they have competed each other into bankruptcy.  That's not competition,
that's stupidity.  It is the same in the US.  Instead of the many carriers
expected, you end up with several regional monopolies, especially at the
hubs.  Competition is a lie being thrust upon the world by American
pseudo-econo-ghods.  Its great on a small scale, garbage globally.

--
Arnold Gill --- astrophysician trainee in exile             gill@physics.ubc.ca
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: <None>
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:33:51 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <Bu2qBL.GFA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, tdwebste@stylus.uwaterloo.ca (Timothy D. Webster) writes:
>>baffles me.  What exactly are hand guns designed for?  Shooting
>>people.
>>
>>Peter
> 
> Some people myself included consider target shooting at a gun club no
> more violent than gulfing. I also believe all types of guns should be
> allow for this type of target shooting provided the gun clubs only allow 
> hunting guns out.
> 
> 
> -Tim.
> 
Yeah, that's what Fabrikant's wife got the guns for!
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
From: u-lchoqu%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Insulting beer ads, etc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:59:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug25.142240.17817@cos.com> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
writes:
 > The puritan governments in both Canada and the U.S. will not allow a beer
 > (or other liquor commercial) to say anything about good taste etc.

Huh?

What about those commercials that feature two guys arguing about whether they
like a particular beer because it tastes good or because it's less filling?

``Tastes great!''
``Less filling!''
  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . . . Usenet addict logging in  . . . . .
  . . u-lchoqu@peruvian.utah.edu. . . . . . from 600 miles away . . . . . .
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.francais
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: LA COMMERCE LIBRE AVEC UN QUEBEC LIBRE
Keywords: FTA, NAFTA
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Qu'est-ce qu'on pense d'une association entre les E-U, la Canada, peut-etre
le Mexique, et un Quebec libre?  Est-ce qu'on pense que ca va marcher?
Pourquoi ou pourquoi pas?

Il faut repondre de les choses vraies et de les statistiques, pas avec
l'emotion du coeur.

Habitant sans des limites,
Jesse (un newyorkais de naissance, mais un americain de passeport)



N.B.  Desole pour mon francais degulase.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Justifications for owning guns?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:34:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.220403.2238@brandonu.ca> brycerw@brandonu.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.005223.29989@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason) writes:
>> 
>>>|> >ok, there are way too many auto-accidents, so we are going to ban private
>>>|> >vehicle ownership, and force everyone on public transit.
>>>|> 
>>>|> Well, that would be fine with me, however I'm repeatedly told that it isn't 
>>>|> practical.
>>>|> Afterall, how would anyone, um, ...gee I've forgotten their argument. 
>>>|>[...]
>
>It would be impractical for me, at least.  1/2-mile to the nearest neighbor,
>8 miles to the nearest village, 38 miles to the nearest town.  A public transit
>system in the rural areas here would have a ridiculous cost.

How many people are calling for a total ban on cars?  I do believe,
however, that we could cut back on total car use enormously, with no
loss in quality of life (actually, I believe we'd have much HIGHER
quality of life - less pollution, fewer assholes waking you in the
middle of the night when they torture their car tires to prove their
manhood...)

Unfortunately, I keep running into the argument:  "Hey, what's a farmer
going to do without this car?  Therefore, I'm entitled to use a car to
go buy some munchies at the corner convenience store."

Now, replace the word "car" with the word "gun" (and make other
appropriate changes to keep the context in order), and you get my
position on gun control - yes, there are legitimate uses for guns, but
that doesn't automatically mean everyone who wants one should be able
to.

As you've said, the only question then is defining "legitimate".

You know, I have the feeling I said pretty much the same thing you did,
just looking at things from a different point of view.  :-)

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada