From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:44:44 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati



this is your friendly neighborhood zafar again. kamran since you wanted me to
talk about some of the contradictions here is one that i had mentioned, the idea
of miracles. this is what i found. btw i made a mistake. kamran did not talk
about miracles, mark towfiq did.

>>>>> On 20 Jul 92 18:46:01 GMT, hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @nova) said:

>hr> Please excuse my ignorance, but a question has occured to me after
>hr> loosely following the discussions on Bahai faith.  How did
>hr> Baha'u'llah come to be recognized as a divine being?  Did he
>hr> perform some sort of a miracle much like other prophets?

[excerpt from a book deleted]

>mark replies:
>
>  Baha'u'llah did perform many miracles during His life, such as
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>physical healing, raising people from being physically dead, and so
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>on.  But as we know from His statement above, He did not regard these
>as the most supreme proof of His Revelation, rather it is the Word of
>God as revealed through Him which has this distinction.

  I hope this is the beginning of an answer to your question.
--
Mark Towfiq, FTP Software, towfiq@FTP.COM, W:+1 617 224 6275, H:+1 617 488 2818

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HOWEVER, Saeid responds to the same question by hamid:

In article <1992Jul20.184601.2041@telesoft.com>, hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @nova) writes:
>> Please excuse my ignorance, but a question has occured to me after loosely
>> following the discussions on Bahai faith.  How did Baha'u'llah come to be
>>recognized as a divine being?  Did he perform some sort of a miracle
>> much like other prophets?
>>
>> 
>> Genuinely curious,
>> Hamid Radvar
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>Dear Hamid;
>As a Bahai I personally do not believe in the existance of miracles and I don't
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[explanation of the nature of miracles mentioned in previous books and other
stuff deleted]

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on another occasion saied replies to farzin:

>Dear Farzin:
>I would briefly make some comments about your article but it is up to you
>to search for the truth.                             

[stuff farzin wrote deleted]

>Bahaies do not believe in MIRACLES first of all.
>Secondly get in touch with some american Bahai's from your city and confirm
>this. 


this is a blatant contradiction. mark says that bahaullah perfomed miracles
while saeid says that there are no such things as miracles in the first place.
this is one of the contradictions. it would not be important if the bahai
religion did not discuss the nature of miracles and anyone could say what he
wanted as a matter of personal belief, but this is not the case, mark says that
bahaullah performed miracles as such bahais had better believe in the existence
of miracles. but saied is telling farzin to go talk to some bahais and confirm
the truth of his statement that bahais do not believe in miracles in the first
place.

the other stuff i will answer. right now i am busy, but i will answer them.

sincerely

zafar

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