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From: zuckerma@aludra.usc.edu (Temporary Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Animation Rep/Bebe's Kids (was Re: Cool World--some thoughts)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:28:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <gwH6NB7w164w@cellar.org> rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor) writes:
>The name *is* "Bebe's Kids" - so no apologies are necessary.  Unfortunately,
>that's all I know about it.  If you've seen a preview for it, then you're a
>lot more up on the film than I am.  It's being hyped as part of Universal's 
>"Passport to Summer Entertainment" contest along with Cool World, Boomerang,
>and Patriot Games.  Apparently, anyone who goes to see those four films will
>receive a game piece for the giveaway.

Um, all four of those films are from Paramount, not Universal.  :^)

From the previews I've seen, Bebe's Kids looks somewhat interesting.  The
animation quality doesn't look tremendously high, and the story line doesn't
strike me as original, however.

I'll probably go check it out, though, since I'm currently working at 
Paramount as a temp and am trying to pull off some tickets for the employee 
screening...

>   Rachel McGregor (rogue@cellar.org) - research contractor, modem junkie

-Dave
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From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (M Turner)
Subject: Re: MTV's new spot
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu 
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:37:56 GMT

Paul Rank writes
> In article <vc1x9jn@rpi.edu> winfia@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward  
Winfield) writes:
> >	MTV is running a new spot which features a mad butcher who usually
> >ends up dismembered.  This character resembles a shirt that I saw featured  
in
> >the Whole Toon Catalog.  I was wondering if some can give some backround on 

> I haven't seen this spot yet, but could it possibly be 'Luppo the Butcher'.
> Just a guess....

yes it is Luppo 

M
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: gi joe: the next gene
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:14:20 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

RAJ>  I think Hasbro's been bouncing around the idea of a live-action JOE movie
RAJ>for a while. Their latest round of toy commercials use a lot of live-action
RAJ>footage, which may be taken as support for this theory...

     I take this as a sign of declining popularity for "G.I. Joe" -
     "Hooray!  That damn show's finally dying!" - rather than any
     hints at a live-action movie.  The toy commercials have ALWAYS
     been the #1 reason for having the G.I. Joe show on TV at all,
     and the most lavish animation has ALWAYS been used for the
     commercials.  Turning the commercials into live-action makes
     me think that the budget for the show has dropped considerably,
     to the point where they can't do fully-animated TV commercials
     anymore.  IMHO, that's GOOD news, as I always detested that show.
     It stood as a prime example of everything WRONG with animation
     on TV.

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From: lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Beauty and the Beast (finally)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 17:33:19 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Well, I finally broke down and saw my first Disney feature film in
the theatres.  It was Beauty and the Beast.  It was excellent, a little 
overdone on some parts in the Disney way of course, but overall a 
pleasant surprise. 
 
It has seemed the Disney story writers have matured somewhat and have 
found a clever in-between for children and adults.  ie. the jokes could 
mean two things, one for the innocent children (yeah right) and one way 
for the adults.
 
The animation was cool, finally more than one shade on the foreground 
characters.  Yay.   The backgrounds were superb.  The computer animated 
ballroom was too realistic looking, they might as well shot it against a 
real life photo background...
 
Pretty good I'd say.

Ben Koshy/Lone Wolf              lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
President of B.A.K.A.            Banzai Anime Klub of Alberta
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From: winfia@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Winfield)
Subject: Lupo the Buthcer
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:50:30 GMT

	Can anyone give me more information about this character and his
recent appearence in MTV promos?
	Thanx in advance.
                          Tone
(P.S.  I now know his name is Lupo... Can I have some more info :)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: ldh1@decoy.uucp (25439-hatley)
Subject: Re: Beginner Animator 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: rec.art.animation 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:55:03 GMT

Hi all,

I am currently a senior computer systems engineering major and I have
recently discovered that I would very much enjoy animating cartoons.
Is there anyone who can help me get started in this field - possibly
list criteria and/or starting guides....or any and everything I may
need to know to begin a career in animation or at least learn how to
produce my own cartoon?

Thanks in advance!!

The L !!!
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Animation Rep/Bebe's Kids (was Re: Cool World--some thoughts)
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:41:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <gwH6NB7w164w@cellar.org>, rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor) writes:
> nunnemaJ@moravian.edu (john s nunnemacher) writes:
> 
> The name *is* "Bebe's Kids" - so no apologies are necessary.  Unfortunately,
> that's all I know about it.  If you've seen a preview for it, then you're a
> lot more up on the film than I am.

Ok, I'm a lot more up on the film than you are.  :-)

The premise is based on a comedy routine by ??? <stand-up comic, played
Kid's dad in HOUSE PARTY>.  He and his wife get stuck with the kids of their
(neighbor/relative/friend?) Bebe (Bebe's kids, get it?) on a road trip to
a Disneyland clone.  Of course, the kids are little terrors in the tradition
of Bart Simpson and Baby Herman.

Here's the catch (RUMOR ALERT!):  the film was originally intended to be
live action, but the stand-up comic mentioned above (who was supposed to
play the lead) died before filming was over, so it was decided to do
the movie with animation instead (presumably using the existing soundtrack
for voice acting).

Ok, so I'm not much more up on the film than you are.  :-)  Anyone with
more solid info?
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: makovsky@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (MAKOFSKY,STEVEN)
Subject: Justice League
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:27:00 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get some of those old Justice League of Amierca
vs. The Legion of Doom cartoons on video? Thanks!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: s442069@nexus.yorku.ca (Douglas Rosen)
Subject: Re: Sheridan College
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:53:10 GMT

I too am interested in the Computer Animation, Computer Graphics and
Classical animation programs at Sheridan College as well as having a 
degree in computer science from York.  This will be of little to no
help in getting into any of these programs at Sheridan College.

Robin King, the head of Computer Graphics/Animation at Sheridan, came
to York in the winter term of 1991 and what he basically said was that
they take(accept) people with Fine Art or Visual Art training over 
computer science types. This is because what they want is the artistic/
design training. From there they can teach the computer stuff. To go the 
other way is very difficult.  As for the entrance requirements, you need
a portfolio plus either a 3 year visual arts or fine arts degree OR 4 
years in the industry. They also get many applications from around the
world.

It was at this point I checked into the Classical Animation program.

While not a graduate of this program, I do work in an animation gallery
and have run into several animators, some of which went (and others which 
still go) to Sheridan. According to them, even though one only needs a 
grade 12 education, one also needs a very strong portfolio (read thick 
and good) that shows potential. Another thing they said was that Sheridan
picks from within, so someone who took one animation program will have very
little trouble getting into the other.

The best thing to do is to write to Sheridan College and ask for a calendar
plus information on the above programs.

			Sheridan College
			Oakville Campus
			1430 Trafalgar Road
			Oakville, Ontario
			    L6H 9Z9


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From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Mini-Review: "Off His Rockers" A New Disney Short
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:21:57 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

Disney has a new short animated feature showing before 
"Honey I Blew Up The Kid".  It features a cute but cliched story and an
excelent blend of regular and computer animation techniques.  Of
special note are the computer animated wood grain effects.

--
Mark Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi,
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:41:45 GMT
Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts

In article <1992Jul24.053218.27936@intacc.uucp> jmacd@intacc.UUCP
	(Jason MacDermott) writes:
>  I am interested in obtaining a list of the film/television that 
>Ralph Bakshi has worked on.

Off the top 'o me head:
	Fritz the cat (the first X rated animation)
	  Crumb (creator of Fritz) disowned any knowledge of this
	the NEW adventures of Mighty Mouse
	  (actually, it was Kris Faluci that did the work)
	Streetfight
	  (like Fritz, it was very stereotypical and depressing)

>  Recently I bought a video tape called "Fire and Ice" because I saw
>that he directed it.  It was superb!  A straight sword and sorcerer movie with
>absolutely stunning animation!  Very realistic.

It's realistic because it was rotoscoped:
animation painting over live action film.
That's one reason Bakshi's so controversial.
Some people consider rotoscoping similar to colorizing,
and dare not mention it in the same breath as "real" animation.
I'm not such a purist.
I like the characters (particularly Nekron) and it's fun to watch.
The music's easy to remember because the theme is repeated
over and over and over.

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@synsys.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: UCPL040@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Bakshi's New Mighty Mouse
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:50:29 CST

I managed to get a few of the New Mighty Mouse series episodes on tape
before it was yanked off the air.
       QUESTION:
                 Did the reason for the cancellation of the
                 show have anything to do with that group of
                 enraged parents who thought that the flower
                 pollen that the Mighty Mouse sniffed (apperently
                 on only one episode) to gain special powers
                 of some sort bore a striking resemblance
                 to cocaine and beleived that this factor might
                 be injurious to their children who had
                 chosen a mouse as a role model (probably a
                 better choice that their other options)?
        skott underwood    UCPL040@UNLVM
From: ept2@bunny.gte.com (Ed Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Beginner Animator
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:37:55 GMT
Distribution: rec.art.animation
Organization: GTEL

Aha!!  So, you've caught the bug, too!  Well, I also felt the same way a 
few years ago when I saw the re-release of Snow White.  I live near Boston 
and have been able to attend some fine art schools in the area.  The first 
thing that I did when I discovered that I wanted to become an animator was 
to start calling the art schools near me.  Find out what courses will suit 
your needs.  For instance, animation courses are obvious, but, it all 
depends on what type of animation you're interested in.  Are you 
interested in the Disney-style animation?  Then you will most likely end 
up taking figure  and life drawing courses.  You will have to study the 
human figure and the way it moves.  This gives you a background for the 
full-animation style that you will need.  There is also abstract 
animation, stop-motion animation, etc...
The final word is to call a school near you and contact a counselor who 
will be able to aid you with a course schedule that will best suit you. 
 I hope that this helps and if you have any questions, by all means 
respond to my note!

Good luck!!

--Ed
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: r.a.animation faq (wa
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:56:00 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

> Q1.  Where can I get a copy of the movie *Heavy Metal* on VHS?

     "Heavy Metal" is being broadcast next Wednesday night (July 29) at
     1:40 AM, on Cinemax.  That's Wednesday night/Thursday morning.  If
     you have Cinemax, or you know a friend who does, you'll be able to
     get a copy of it that way.

     (1:40 AM is Eastern Standard Time.  Check your own TV Guide for the
     proper time in your area.)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: york@lucid.com (Bill York)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Censors Scissor Frames To Sanitize Some Classic Cartoons
Reply-To: York@Lucid.COM
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:33:06 GMT

In article <weRe6sC00WCPE12N5L@andrew.cmu.edu> David Greene <dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:48:40 -0400 
   From: David Greene <dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>

   AAAArrrggghhhh!

   ---------- Forwarded message begins here ----------

   From: DowJonesNews
   Subject: Censors Scissor Frames To Sanitize Some Classic Cartoons

The "Merrie Melodies" syndicated package of the past couple of years
regularly snipped out each and every "act of violence", bridging the
gap with N copies of one frame from somewhere nearby.  Pretty silly to
try to watch "Duck! Rabbit! Duck!" under such circumstances...
From: xr0106@news.cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: new fall series
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:42:37 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


	Coming this fall on tv:
		Batman
		X-men cartoons!

	I don't have much info on either of these other
 than that the Batman cartoon will have much of the look
 and feel of the old Fleischer Superman cartoons. I believe
 Batman will be playing 5 days/week.
	The X-men cartoon is only one day/week (i think),
 and it will feature the current X-men teams in the comic
 books... (Gambit, Jubilee, etc.)


That's about all I've heard, later!
	Randall Glass
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: "Bebe's Kids" featured on Thurs "Entertainment Tonight"
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

Like the subject says, the forthcoming animated film "Bebe's Kids"
will be featured on a segement of tomorrows "Entertainment Tonight".

Like they say, check local listings for time and station...

-- 
You unlock this door with the key of imagination.  Beyond it is another
dimension: a dimension if sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind.
You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas.
You've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: harry@dnlunx (Harry Fluks)
Subject: Re: Duckburg (was: Duckburgh)
Reply-To: H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:11:46 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.200549.11881@uwm.edu>, buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell) writes:

>Follow-ups to rec.arts.animation.

No! Duckburg was invented in the COMICS, not in the movies. (But maybe
rec.arts.disney is a neutral place for this...)

Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Leidschendam, Netherlands
H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
(Still no fancy signature)
From: calvin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (scott.a.kaye)
Subject: Re: what are the names of the mice?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.073641.27367@panix.com>, jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) writes:
> I can barely remember a cartoon (American, probably Warner Bros)
> about a pair of mice that like to run around and get
> into/out of trouble.  Like Chip-n-Dale, they play off each other.
> In one episode, they wander into an automated house of the
> future and are chased by the robot.
> 
> They're definitely mice, so it's not Chip-n-Dale,
> Mac-n-Tosh, or Sniffles.  Please help - my memory really fails me
> here and my reference books emphasize famous felines, not mice!
> 
> - Jeffrey Jonas
> jeffj@synsys.uucp
> synsys!jeffj@uunet.uu.net

	I believe the mice you are refering to are Pixie and Dixie.  The used
to pull pranks on a cat named Jazz.

			Scott
From: jmacd@intacc.uucp (Jason MacDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Ralph Bakshi,
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:32:18 GMT
Expires: 29 Aug 92
Reply-To: jmacd@intacc.UUCP (Jason MacDermott)
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network


  I am interested in obtaining a list of the film/television that 
Ralph Bakshi has worked on.
 
  Recently I bought a video tape called "Fire and Ice" because I saw
that he directed it.  It was superb!  A straight sword and sorcerer movie with
absolutely stunning animation!  Very realistic.  I also really liked his
Mighty Mouse show a few years ago, and I'd like to find VHS copies if it, too.

  I have yet to see "Cool World", and I'll probably wait 'till it comes to the
Pay-TV movie channel here in Canada (First Choice). 
 
  Thanks.... Jason MacDermott
jmacd@intacc.uucp
 
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From: dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast (finally)
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:02:50 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

25-Jul-92 Beauty and the Beast (finally) Benoy Koshy@ersys.edmont (1049)
> The backgrounds were superb.  The computer animated 
> ballroom was too realistic looking, they might as well shot it against a 
> real life photo background...

Ah, but they could never have done the camera work as well (e.g. the
swoops, pans and crane shops).

I think that's one of the more important contributions of animation
(especially computer generated) -- it provides greater degrees of
freedon for artistic interpretation.  As the technology becomes more
practical, I suspect filmakers will use more computer generated
sequences for live action films rather than locations, sound stages or
backlots  -- and I don't mean the sci-fi type movies.

-David
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:46:40 -0400 
From: David Greene <dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Warner Wants Shoppers Singing Looney Tunes

---------- Forwarded message begins here ----------

From: DowJonesNews
Subject: Warner Wants Shoppers Singing Looney Tunes
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:04:31 -0400 (EDT)  

  By Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg  

  Warner Bros. is betting smart aleck Bugs Bunny will prove as big a
hit with baby boomers as good guy Mickey Mouse, The Wall Street Journal
reported.  

  Inspired by the retailing success of archrival Walt Disney, Warner
Bros. opened four stores of its own last fall to cash in on the nostalgia
market for cartoon characters and Hollywood memorabilia.  

  Though the recession has crimped some specialty retailers, Warner Bros.'
stores have done well enough that the company is now opening 15 more
stores from Las Vegas to suburban Washington. Each outlet has more than
2,500 products, including $1.50 Tasmanian Devil pens, $200 leather and
wool Batman jackets and $1,000 cartoon cels -- hand-painted celluloid
frames from which animated cartoons are made -- of Wile E. Coyote.  

  The appetite for Hollywood-inspired trinkets is strong enough that
the Warner stores that compete head to head with Disney stores in the
same malls generate as much revenue as stores in malls without Disney
competition. "We're slightly more upscale and focused on an older customer,"
says Peter Starrett, president of Warner Bros. Worldwide Retail, a unit
of Time Warner.  

  The 151-store Disney chain, started in March 1987, is flourishing,
too. In addition to Disney books, tapes and clothes, shoppers can buy
tickets to Disney theme parks. "By the end of the year, we'll be in Japan,"
says Debbie Bohnett, director of marketing and promotions for the Disney
chain.  

  Despite the public's hunger for reminders of their youth, some entertainment-
-themed retailers have struggled. This year, cartoon house Hanna-Barbera
closed two of its three stores after being acquired by Turner Broadcasting
System.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi,
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:35:48 GMT

In article <1683110731.UCPL040@UNLVM.UNL.EDU>, UCPL040@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes:
> I'm not up on all of the trivia, but I know Bakshi was involved with:
>      Fritz the Cat
>      Wizards
>      The Hobbit

The Hobbit was done by Rankin and Bass. They also did The Return of the King.
Bakshi only did Lord of the Rings.

>      Lord of the Rings
>      Heavy Trafic
>      The NEW Adventures of Mighty Mouse
> Fire and Ice (never seen it)
>      Cool world

A few missed items are:

    o   American Pop
    o   2nd or 3rd season of Spider-man and Rocket Robin Hood
    o   various Terrytoons from the 60's, but most notably The Mighty Heros

Robert Corns             rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca         Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's University           Halifax        Nova Scotia     Canada
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cool World-- I'm not impressed. (SPOILERS)
Date: 16 Jul 92 21:50:04 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

Spoilers ahead...



In article <1992Jul13.203900.7283@alliant.com>, russ@alliant.com (Russell McFatter) writes:
> 	23: What finally happened to Jack Deebs?
> 
> 		Went back to writing "Cool World" (now immensely popular
> 		given the recent near-disaster).  The last cartoon panel
> 		we see in the movie is one that he drew based (not entirely
> 		upon) his experiences.

Not at all the impression I got.  It seemed obvious to me that the
super hero character at the end WAS Jack.  The cartoon chaos that was
occurring at the end transformed Jack into the super hero.  Remember
the Doctor saying it was Jack's destiny to be a hero?  After the spike
sucked all of the toons back into Cool World along with Holli and Jack,
we see Jack (now stuck permanently, and apparently contentedly, in the
form of the supertoon) happily planning out his life in Cool World,
living with Holli and fighting crime, to which Holli's reaction is
"Pencil dick!".

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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