HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: n2m, a filter for reformatting NeXT mail to MIME
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:30:56 GMT

  Version 1.1 of this program is now available for
anonymous ftp on nexus.yorku.ca, in /pub/n2m.1.1.shar.Z
I will also mail it to people without ftp.

  The program reads NeXT-format mail messages and makes
them into usable (if by no means optimal) MIME.  No serious
attempt is made to translate things: this is just a repackager
that makes the ``ought to be readable'' contents readable, and
puts the rest into base64 instead of uuencode.

  Despite all the above caveats, it is quite usable.
Of course, I'm biased!!

--dave
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Stupidity is evil waiting to happen.
CANADA. 416-223-8968  |               -- Clay Bond
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: radius ships videovis
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:56:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I've been looking at Videovision also (see post in .multimedia) but
have heard that its resolution is 24 frames per second. Q.  Is Radius
trying to establish a consumer standard resolution of 24 fps or are they
going to do like the Video Spiget thing and have two versions, the 
professional board (at a different resolution) costing more money?  
Also, I thought the standard was 30fps, 30-drop, or 29 fps; where 
does 24fps come from?  I would also like to see the incorporation of
Vertical Integrated Time Code (read and write) but then again maybe 
they've stuck a different standard there too.  Oh well, hopefully 
someone at Radius will hire a consultant or two to help them create 
a product that can work cohesively with existing project studios.  
Synchronization seems to be an ongoing exponential problem when 
cutting and pasteing and 24 fps doesn't help much once the rest of
the industry decides on an algorhythm to fix the current problems with
the current standards.  Additionally, my oppinion is based on what 
I've heard which is unfortunate because in the literature I have on 
the product there is no mention of resolution.  It would be nice to see 
more specifications and less copywriter comparison stuff so that we'd 
have a better view of things.  After all, if its in writing it must be true,
especially with all the pretty color pictures and all.


maurices
From: neches@ISI.EDU (Robert Neches)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: answers to pc <--> unix mail query
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:23:11 GMT
Reply-To: neches@ISI.EDU
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


Recently, I asked for sources of mail programs that would run on a PC,
download mail from a Unix system, and synchronize the Unix mail with
the work done locally when you upload again.

Since several people expressed interest in the answers, here are the three
pointers I've received thus far.  I have not yet looked at any of these
products, and therefore cannot provide details or evaluations.

------------------------

 Portable Mail runs on MS-DOS and processes UNIX mail

 Price:   $149.00
 Org:     Qualix Group, Inc.
 Phone:   1-800-245-UNIX
 e-mail:  info@qualix.com
 fax      415-572-1300

------------------------


AT&T Mail offers such a product.  It's called Access Plus.
You can contact them at 1-800-MAIL-672.

------------------------

try taking a peek on cac.washington.edu. There's a package called "imap"
that provides mail services for PCs/Macs. It's all in the public domain,
and I think they provide a sample PC client. It's not of the
upload/download variety (more interactive) but it might be what you're
looking for.

(I believe the top level directory "imap" is the one you need to look
at...just use anonymous ftp to get in)
From: MRC@PANDA.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: re: I have a NeXT-to-MIME filter, what should I filter?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:57:10 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Hi -

     There is no particular reason to believe that NeXT has ever `mediated'
between vendors in terms of file extension names, or that such `mediation'
would be welcome or accepted, particularly on non-NeXT platforms.

     Some conventions exist, but for each `rule' established by a convention
you can expect to find exceptions.  If you are only concerned about your
software running on the NeXT platform, you can probably poke around inside the
workspace manager to see what extensions are used on your machine.

     A safer thing to do is to do some analysis of the file data.  For
example, a large number of bytes less than 0x20 (excepting the obvious
formatters (CR, LF, TAB, BS, VT, ESC)) are suggestive of binary.  0x00 in
particular falls into this category.

-- Mark --
From: neches@ISI.EDU (Robert Neches)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: pc and Unix mail
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:24:58 GMT
Reply-To: neches@ISI.EDU
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


A while back, someone on the net described a commercial product that
let you download mail from a Unix server to a PC, work on the mail
locally, and then coordinated the results with your Unix mail box when
you uploaded (e.g., deleting messages, marking messages as read/answered,
...)

I'm afraid I've lost the pointers to that information.  I'd appreciate
hearing from anyone who knows about such products.  Please reply directly,
if possible; there's no point burdening the mailing list with this.

======================================================================
                            Robert Neches
     USC/ISI, 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina del Rey, CA 90292 USA
                Phone: 310/822-1511, Fax: 310/823-6714
======================================================================
From: 75300.1324@compuserve.com (Nick Arnett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MHEG contact?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:33:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: CompuSer.920903173359_75300.1324_CHE57-3
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Attn: Multimedia Mail List
                       Subject:                              
Time:9:05 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          MHEG contact?                         
Date:9/3/92
Folks,

Does anybody have an address or phone number for an official contact
person for the Multimedia-Hypermedia Experts Group (standards group)?

Nick
From: vijay@iitb.ernet.in (Vijay J. Talati)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: LPC, CVSD ..
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:52:00 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Hello,

I am looking for references for the LPC and CVSD compression algo.
Are there any sources implementing this algo. available for ftp?

Any pointers would be helpful.

Thanks,
Vijay.

Please e-mail responses to vijay@gateway.iitb.ernet.in.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Shar file of n2m to follow by mail
Originator: root@nexus.yorku.ca
Organization: York University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:42:18 GMT

  This is just an announcement and a caveat: n2m has been tested with
exactly three NeXT-format mail messages, and clearly doesn't do what
it should with voice.  When I play NeXT voice back with MailManager
I get gibberish.  Either I borke base64 encoding or there's a mismatch
in the players (unlikely).

  It needs to be tried with other MIME-compliant MTAs: If people will
do that, I'll chase the bugs.

--dave
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media,netcom.general,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Anybody have a NeXT to mime filter??
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:27:21 GMT

I once wrote:
|I suspect this is a trivial question, but has anyone a
|filter for NeXT mail to MIME format?  

  Well, the program is trivial, but no-one else happened to have one.
So I wrote one that does a plausible job (modulo a bug in base64)
but not an optimal one.
  I'll mail it to anyone who asks...

--dave
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Stupidity is evil waiting to happen.
CANADA. 416-223-8968  |               -- Clay Bond
From: mrose@DBC.MTVIEW.CA.US (Marshall Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: Problems with MH/MIME 6.7.2, base64 encoding seems broken..
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:43:19 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Earlier versions of multi-media MH had a bug in the base64 encoder.
That has been fixed for a while now.  The current sources are on
ftp.ics.uci.edu in mrose/mh-mime/.

No message from you has ever been received at

	mh-mime-request@dbc.mtview.ca.us

so perhaps this is why you haven't been added.

/mtr
From: aba@hp835.mitek.com (Binion Amerson)
Subject: INTERACTIVE MULTIMEDIA COMES OF AGE
Summary: STC Lone Star Chapter September 1992 Meeting
Keywords: STC, multimedia
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:37:37 GMT

                       F I R S T   N O T I C E 

               INTERACTIVE  MULTIMEDIA  COMES  OF  AGE

The Society for Technical Communication (STC) Lone Star Chapter is pleased to 
announce its September 1992 meeting:

WHO:            STC Lone Star Chapter (Dallas/Fort Worth)

WHAT:           September 1992 Meeting

PROGRAM TOPIC:  Interactive Multimedia Comes of Age

SPEAKERS:       Scott Lamb, Creotec Corporation
                David Harrison, Sky Island Communications
                Catherine Dodd, Communication Strategies, Inc.
                Steve Lee, Communication Strategies, Inc.

ATTENDEES:      Anyone interested in technical communication--writers,
                entry-level and experienced alike

WHEN:           Thursday, September 10, 1992

WHERE:          Harvey Hotel-Addison
                14315 Midway Road
                Dallas, Texas

TIME:           6-7 p.m.   Registration, Demonstrations, and Happy Hour
                7-8 p.m.   Dinner
                8-9 p.m.   Program

DOOR PRIZES:    Multimedia and Graphics Software

DINNER COST:    Members $18.00
                Nonmembers $20.00

RESERVATIONS:   Call (metro) 817-540-5494 for dinner reservations.  Reservation
                for dinner must be made or canceled by noon, September 8, 1992.
                Otherwise space is subject to availability.  Dinner no-shows 
                will be billed.  Additional $5.00 without a reservation.  

INFORMATION:    Dale Erickson, (metro) 817-267-8765

MEMBERSHIP:     Nancee Moster, (metro) 817-267-9662

MAIL ADDRESS:   STC Lone Star Chapter
                P.O. Box 515065
                Dallas, Texas 75251-5065

-- 
 Binion Amerson, Senior Technical Writer, OpenConnect Systems, Inc., 2033 
 Chennault Dr., Carrollton, Texas 75006; 214/308-0447; aba@hp835.mitek.com
 General Manager: 40th STC Annual Conference, June 6-9, 1993,  Dallas, TX
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: James B. Wilkinson <wilkins@cs.cofc.edu>
Subject: Highlight line moves when I undelete a message
X-Xxdate: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:19:11 GMT
Organization: The College of Charleston
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:18:01 GMT

If I move to a previously deleted message and undelete it, the highlight
then moves down to the next line.  I consider this a bug, since I am
probably going to do something with the message immediately.  Elm seems
to be acting as if I had deleted the message instead of undeleting it. 
Is this a feature?

Beta version of ELM 2.4
From: riely@corelli.cs.unc.edu (James Riely)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm Hostname routing database
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:31:09 GMT

I am using Elm 2.2 for unix.  In reading the documentation for aliases (by
David Taylor), I find described a very useful feature described: the
hostname routing database.  I am trying to figure out how to use this, but
I am quite frustrated by the vague phrase:  "... stored in the file
pointed to by _pathfile_ for Elm (and other programs) to use." 

I do not understand where I am to put the file.  Should it be in a special
place?  Should it have a special name?  Should I set an environment
variable to point to the file?  Has anyone ever used this feature?  I've
tried all of the obvious things.  Help????

James Riely
riely@cs.unc.edu
From: spiegl@cs.utexas.edu (Andreas Spiegl)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Highlight line moves when I undelete a message
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:18:31 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: kalahari.cs.utexas.edu

Hi,
and why did in the current version (2.3 ..) of elm the option in
elmrc disappear, which allows to NOT skip over deleted messages?
I thought this to be avery useful option and miss it very much.

Is this going to be in 2.4 again? Or is there a way to get it in 2.3?

Thank you.
 Andy.


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CS Graduate Student at University of Texas at Austin
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CS Graduate Student at University of Texas at Austin
From: ram@eiffel.com (Raphael Manfredi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter only?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:03:24 GMT
Organization: Interactive Software Engineering, Santa Barbara CA

Quoting browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov from comp.mail.elm:
>Before I retrieve Elm, install it on my own system, and then beg,
>plead and argue for setgid permission from my sysadmin (with no
>guarantee of success), can elm's filter be used easily by itself?  Are
>there better ways to do what I want, given I'm not interested in the
>rest of elm?  I've already learned one handy thing
>("|/usr/lib/sendmail $LOGNAME" in rn) since subscribing to this
>newsgroup, so I'm confident you all can enlighten me!

Absolutely, the filter can be used as a stand-alone product. But, I would
not personally recommend this filter. This may be a biased opinion, since
I am the author of another filter program, but the truth is I decided to
write my own after I tried to use ELM's one and did not manage to get it
do what I wanted it to do. My perl filter may be retrieved via
anonymous FTP:

	Host: ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4),
	Directory: /pub/net-tools
	File: perl-mailagent.tar.Z

The current version is 2.9 PL10. You do NOT need any special privilege to
install this filter. I tried to combine all the nice features from
"concurrent" filter programs like procmail or deliver. I'm afraid not much
was stolen from ELM's filter ;-).

Deliver was posted in comp.sources.reviewed and was written by
Chip Salzenberg <chip@tct.com>. And procmail is authored by
Stephen R. van den Berg <berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> and is
avaliable via anonymous FTP:

	Host: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.112.31)
	Directory: /pub/unix
	File: procmail.tar.Z

I can't say more without loosing my objectivity. And anyway, it's all
a matter of personal taste.
--
Raphael Manfredi <ram@eiffel.com>
Interactive Software Engineering Inc.
270 Storke Road, Suite #7                      / Tel +1 (805) 685-1006 \
Goleta, California 93117, USA                  \ Fax +1 (805) 685-6869 /
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter problems
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

linda@uni-paderborn.de (Linda Floren) writes:
>We easily got rid of our elm-problems, when we stopped the
>elm-feature, that makes elm look for new mail EVERY SECOND !!! This of
>course causes lots of NFS-traffic.

>Now elm only looks for new mail when an arrow-key (up, down) is
>pressed, an it works absolutely fine ever since!
The timeout resync you refer to, is not every second, unless someone
reconfigured your copy incorrectly.  It is set in elm.h
to 600 seconds, which should not cause a lot of traffic.

Now, users also can reconfigure this in their elmrc file, but even
so, we don't let them set it to less than 10 seconds.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: .forward and **.vacation**???? - documentation?
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

james@dlss2 (James Cummings) writes:
>	".vacation"????? ah, what release of ELM are you using?? never 
>heard of it.....Sid, Sid.....what's the deal? is there an "overseas" version
>of Elm that we don't get in the States?
First off, its Syd :-), but...
vacation is part of BSD UNIX.  It is freely available, and not part of the
Elm distribution.  Now .forward is also not part of Elm, but you don't
seem to be complaining about that one :-)^2


-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Satish K. Swarnkar)
Subject: [encode] Decryption does not work in ELM 2.3 PL11! Why ? [clear]
Summary: ************** Is this a BUG ? ****************
Originator: satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Keywords: encryption, decryption, encode, clear.
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:27:59 GMT

Hi Everybody,

	Subject: The decryption does not take place, properly in ELM 2.3 PL11.

	Recently I found a problem with encrypted mail. To me it looks like
	BUG (though not sure). Some times if you have a encrypted message
	the decryption does not take place properly.

	The inability to decrypt a message depends upon the encryption key you
	are using and the content of message.

	I tried many combinations of encoded messages and encryption keys. In
	many cases the decryption does take place properly with one encryption
	key and not for another key.

	I created a simple 20 line file with just one character in the
	beginning of line, say 'A'. I gave the encryption key "aaa", as given
	below :

	[encode]
	A
	A
	A
	.
	.
	A
	[clear]

	I sent this mail to myself with encryption key "aaa", and read the
	mail with decryption key "aaa".
	When I read this mail, I got first 12 lines properly and others were
	junk characters, like %, J, Y, * etc.
	
	I changed the encryption keys, many times. Observed
	that it works for some keys and not for others.

	Sometimes the file size which is encoded also decides this factor.

	I am not able to understand in what circumstances this decryption
	fails. However, I have not noticed this problem when every line has
	more then one 'A's. The problems reoccurs when alternate lines are one
	character long.

	Has anybody seen this problem? Is this a BUG or a FAQ ?
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________.
|  Email : satish@wan486.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM  |  Phone : (803) 739-6143  |
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Filter problems
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:15:06 GMT

gt7237a@prism.gatech.EDU (Matt Le Blanc) writes:

|>Hmmm.  Anyone know why my filter works only sometimes.  Seems that it
|>only works when I first log off.  Then, after a while after I logged
|>off, the filter stops working and when I log back in, none of the new
|>mail is filtered.  Thanks for any help.

I've observed tons of filter problems. Lost mail. Spool corruption, etc.

Unfortunately, I can't help with your problem.

I talked to Syd a while back about my problems and he seemed to indicate
problems with how NFS operates. But it never explained how other mail
agents could handle what ELM could not under in the same environment.
I mean read and writing to the spool file is something that is normally
easily handled by mail agents (runing in the UNIX environment) but ELM
seemed to have problems with it sometimes.

Several other users here had various problems with Elm's filter and
finally yanked the filter which cleared up the problems.

I finally gave up on ELM's filter too. I was losing too many messages as
well as getting corruption in my "main" mailbox. For example, if I had a 
message that was 30 lines long and did a resynch (perhaps while mail was
incoming) that message would suddenly become 2 lines long.

I've never seen the above happen when I don't use the filter.

Unfortunately (again), I have not been able to correlate exactly what
happens to give Syd anymore information. And I know how tough it can
be to try and solve problems without enough data.
-- 
	/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
	|	Kevin Minor	UUCP: ...uunet!mcdchg!motcid!minor	|
	|			Mail: minor@rtsg.mot.com		|
	\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Blank After Prefix
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:55:52 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In response to my query about including a trailing blank
at the end of the prefix string, the trick is that an
underscore gets converted to a blank, for example

prefix=>_

will make your quoted messages start with lines like this:

> blah blah

Thanks to about half a dozen people who knew this trick.
Now we know it too. 

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: spiegl@cs.utexas.edu (Andreas Spiegl)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: edit aliases manually
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:32:16 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: kalahari.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: alias,manual,edit

Hi,
I want to add some alias definition to my aliases.text etc files w/o
having to type every one of them in seperately.
In a previous version of elm, I was able to just add the aliases to the
file aliases.text in the .elm directory, then deleted the .hash and .data
files, started elm, added some other alias, and elm would start reading
the (new) aliases.text file and building the .hash and .data file.

This does not work with version 2.3. Is there a different way to do this?
Or is it just not possible?

Thanks for your help in advance,
 Andy

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CS Graduate Student at University of Texas at Austin
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CS Graduate Student at University of Texas at Austin
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm