HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dhansen@ogicse.ogi.edu (David Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: RACQUETS (thin and wide bodied)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:06:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43847
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

I too have recently switched back to a non-widebody racquet, though
not by choice.  In '84 I got a Head Graphite Edge midsize.  In '88 I
decided to try a wider and bigger racquet and purchased a ProKennex
Ceramic Prophecy (98 sq in, ~28mm).  

The first thing I noticed was that I started breaking strings left and
right!  I had to search around for some durable strings.  I've been
playing with this racquet exclusively for the last few years when the
frame cracked this past summer.

I switched back to my old Head racquet and have quickly grown to 
love it.  I'm finding that although it's not as powerful as the
widebodies, I've got much more control with it.  I tend to be too
aggressive when I play and overhit a bit.  Using the Head I've 
noticed a dramatic decrease in unforced errors due to overhitting.
The only problem I'm having is with my serve.  The ProKennex was
so light that my timing is off now and I'm serving long.  The 
weight has also messed up the rhythm on my second serve which 
incorporates a lot of topspin.  If I can solve these problems I
may just stick with this "old" traditional frame.  It's been
a pleasant surprise, I really expected my game to suffer, instead
I think it's gotten better and more consistent.

- David

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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: TAPE OF MARTINA/CONNORS?
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

I missed the Jimmy-Martina match on Friday and am wondering if anyone
taped it.  If so, would someone be willing to send me a copy if I paid
for the tape and shipping?  Thanks.
                                                                               
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From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Subject: Becker Provantech PB Frames Wanted
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:48:56 GMT

Hello,

I apologize in advance for this waste of the net but I had one reply
for used Becker Provantech PBs and have not been able to get a 
reply back from several email attempts.

Frank (fhui@mps.ohio-state.edu) if you want to sell me those racquets
please send me some email with your phone number and grip size.

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jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: News, Oct 16
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:25:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Davis Cup 1993 News:

   The top two seeded countries for the World Group in the 1993 Davis Cup
   competition are the United States and Germany.  The next two seeds are
   Sweden and Switzerland (followed by France, Spain, Czechoslovakia,
   and Italy).

   New countries allowed to compete in Davis Cup play next year include
   Russia (Chesnokov, Cherkasov, and Olhovskiy are Russians, so Russia
   could potentially field a good Davis Cup team), Ukraine (the fast
   rising Medvedev is a Ukranian), and Croatia (Ivanisevic and Prpic).


(Sorry, no additional scores to post)


..Chris
   
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Tournament Results: Oct 13 pm
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:36:27 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@harmonic.eng.umd.edu


   Personally, the scores that are posted, the better.  One can check
for inconsistencies, and such.  It's nice having the scores posted.
Thanks to Gess, Chris, and everyone else who post scores.

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Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Edbergs Racquet
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:01:13 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <mdh410.718510029@huxley> mdh410@huxley.anu.edu.au (Michael D Hanslip) writes:
>A couple weeks ago people were discussing Edberg's use (or disuse) of the
>ProStaff Classic versus the use of the old model.
>Last night I watched very carefully and when he held the racquet at 
>certain angles to the light, the entire face of the racqeut shone in the
>illumination. This racquet definitely had a flat face. 
>It could not be a classic then. The Classic has a widebody profile which
>would not do this. And when the TV cameras got really close up for service 
>returns, it was clearly a box section racquet.
> So I hate to disappoint all you PSC users but Edberg does not use it.
>Though I would have sworn he was at Roland Garros! Oh well, Steffi doesn't
>use my racquet either (the Dunlop Revelation Pro) and I won't 
>believe she ever will until I see it with my own eyes.

Wilson told me that Edberg was still using the old model. Also, while
watching Edberg pratice during this years U.S. Open, I noticed that his
throat grommets were three seperate pieces instead of the one piece strip
used on the Classic.
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From: jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas)
Subject: Re: Agassi vs. Courier??
Summary: Courier is just a little better...
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:42:41 GMT

In  <1992Oct6.142537.1@cmcvx1.claremont.edu> ptsai@cmcvx1.claremont.edu writes:
>hello, i would like to raise a question about agassi here, it seems like he's
>unable to beat Jim Courier after his lost at the 91(?) french final, is it 
>simply because he's just not as good as Jim...

Mostly that seems to be it.

>or are there some
>mental/psychological factors behind it.

Possibly, although I think winning Wimbledon took a lot of the
psychological pressure off Agassi.  I remember a tennis commentator
(Mary Carillo?) talking about an interview she did with him after
Wimbledon, in which he said that before he finally won a Grand Slam
title, he used to go out on the court feeling fear (fear that he would
never win a big one and would always be remembered as a "choker", and
one who never lived up to his potential).  Now, she quoted him as
saying, "when I play I feel joy."

How this affects him when he plays Courier is hard to guess (because of
Courier being upset in an early round, he did not have to face this
matchup in winning Wimbledon).  But I would guess that most of the
demons that tormented him after losing that French final have been
exorcised by now.

>They are both playing the similar power-baseline game
>except maybe jim has a bigger net game than agassi, but this doesn't seem to be
>the reason why agassi seems to have a shadow of courier over him....

No, I don't think it's the net game either.  Andre doesn't exactly stink
up the net either, though there are definitely others who are better....
I think it's just their styles....  Courier plays basically the same way
as Agassi, he just seems to be a little more consistent, and hits as
hard or harder than Andre.  It's hard to beat someone who does the same
things as you, just as well or a bit better.

On the other hand, Agassi seems to do better than Courier when playing
strong serve and volley players.  (Witness his Davis Cup defeat of
Edberg, his record against Becker, etc.)  His return of serve is really
awesome; unfortunately, it really doesn't help him against Courier
because Jim doesn't rely on the serve and volley attack.

>-personally, i'm a fan of Agassi....

I'm a fan of both.  The great thing about it all is, with these two,
plus Sampras and Chang, the USA has a great crop of relatively young
(20-22) players who will likely dominate for years to come.  Can you say
"lots of Davis Cups"?

Joe
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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: WILSON HAMMER ??
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> Does anyone know a racket named Hammer by Wilson? Any info on its
-> specs, price, newest model, characteristics, evaluations?

There are four Hammer model racquets made by Wilson:

Profile 2.7 si 95, Profile 2.7 si 110, Pro Staff 4.0 si 95 and the
Pro Staff 4.0 si110.

They are fairly pricey - $185 or so mail order for the 4.0 and $200.00
for the 2.7 series.  They are very light - 10 oz and under with the
majority of the weight in their head (1 & 1/2+ inches head heavy
depending on model).  You will find that they are very powerful and can
easily send the ball out of court if you aren't paying attention.  They
also, due in part to their fairly dense string pattern (18 x 20), have a
good amount of control.

Unless you are very old or frail, the 2.7 series is just too much
racquet.  It does much of the work for you and compact swings are
necessary to keep the ball in the court.

The 4.0 series is much more appropriate a racquet for most people than
it's stiffer counterpart.  They are very control oriented with their
pattern and perimeter weighting at 3 and 9 o'clock.  The grip is very
comfortable (and it better be because these racquets have quite a shock
factor potential).  Try out the 95 and see how you like it.  You will
know very quickly if this racquet enhances/complements your game.

And if you are interested in these, look into the Wilson 4.5 si 95.  You
can still get last year's model too.  The new one has an AIR SHELL and
is a very different racquet.

Just my 10 cents
                                
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Racquet grip
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:12:45 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@erlang.src.umd.edu


In article <1992Oct14.222334.20262@u.washington.edu>, sujan@stein.u.washington.edu (Sujan Punyamurthula) writes:
>
>A comment and a question
>
>A comment on the topspin posting. As a novice player
>I found that using the correct forehand grip to be
>a major factor that helped me in getting my topspin 
>going. i.e with the forefinger knuckle turned furthur down.

   Most people who prefer hitting topspin use a semi-Western or Western
grip.   Some folks call the Western grip a frying pan grip (typically
those using Eastern grips).

>Question:
>I recently changed from single hand to double handed
>backhand. I find that I can get much better topspin
>with the two handed backhand. My two hand grip 
>goes with my left hand higher up than right hand.
>But I found that Seles and and Connors have their
>right hand higher up than left. Is it because I am
>right handed and they are left handed or just a 
>matter of convinience.

   Connors is left handed, since he hits his forehand with just his left hand.
Most players who play two-handed shots keep their dominant hand on bottom so
that they can play a one-handed forehand without choking up on the racquet
so much (i.e., having their hand closer to the throat).

   I don't think Seles plays with her right hand higher.   Oh, never mind,
she does.  She is a left hander, too.   Most two handed players (and there
aren't many) play with their dominant hand on top, much like a baseball
player (and presumably a cricket player), and their recessive on bottom.
Then, they usually play the crossover backhand, meaning that when they
hit a two-handed backhand they still keep their hands in the same
place, so the wrists cross over one another when one hits a backhand.

   Monica does the reverse and plays the crossover grip on her forehand
side.  She plays the double handed grip as if she were a rightie.

   As examples of players who played with two handed grips, there
was Gene Mayer, Hans Gildemeister, Frew McMillan, and Greg Holmes.
Kevin Curren, early in his career, also played with a two
handed forehand, and went back on some occassion to it.  There
was a Japanese player on the Davis Cup team who played with two
hands on both sides.  This was before they had a good player
in Shuzo Matsuoka.  Eliot Teltscher and Aaron Krickstein played
on that team.  I have only seen one other woman player use
two hands on both sides, and that was Akiko Kijimuta during the
French when she almost knocked out Monica Seles.

>
>Finally how does one spell - 
>racket or Raquet or Racquet
>
>I saw all 3 of them on this group!

    I think raquet is wrong.  So, it's a matter or preference betweeen
racquet and racket, and I prefer the first.  I don't have a dictionary
handy, so I can't say for sure.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: New subscriber to the group 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.214316.11330@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c3b-as@po.berkeley.edu writes:

>	I don't know much about this group, and hope to receive some
>information about it.

Welcome to rec.sport.tennis. We discuss professional tennis tournaments,
results, players, rankings, head-to-head match-ups ... as well as
tennis racquets, tennis history trivia questions ....  Once in a while,
Becker worshipers and non-Becker fans, Sabatini fans and Graf fans
just flame one another. :-(  Sometimes people make offensive remarks
about female players too. :-(

>	Does everyone know the mailing addresses for pros?  I would really
>like to send a letter to Steffi Graf and Michael Chang.

Not sure about Michael, but for Steffi Graf, it is easy:

  Bruhl, Germany.  :-)

Bruhl is a small town; everybody knows their favorite daughter there.
No, the smiley is not part of the address. :-)
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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: Modern Rackets
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:54:04 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <kleung.1rr2@terapin.com> kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung) writes:
>    Well, Head has come out with a new racket called the Prestige.  Which
>is a conventional frame similar to the TXE, TXM, and the TXP's.  You might
>want to look into that.

The Head Prestige is a widebody with a "conventional beam". meaning the
racquet is about 22mm thick and doesn't taper.
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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: What about Sampras?
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:12:37 GMT

Heja,

can anybody tell me if Sampras is playing in any tournament this week?
I think he didn't recover from the defeat in the US Open, and I'm a bit
worried about that.
(I have tickets for the ATP Final at Frankfurt, and I bought them to see
Sampras. So hopefully he will be fit again!)

Another question: Is it true that Becker will take part in the Grand Slam
Cup this year? Or is it just a trick of the organizers to say so?
Thought he said 6.000.000$$ is too much for a tennis-event last year?
(And I thought "gee, what a sportsman!" until I overheared that he got this
treaty for tennis-equipment (is it FILA?) which brings him 27.000 DM
A DAY !!! For the next 5 years !! What a sportsman...)

Cordula
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From: dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee)
Subject: Alberto Mancini
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:28:46 GMT

I recently watched this year's Key Biscayne tournament between Michael
Chang and Alberto Mancini, of Argentina.  Mancini caught my eye 3 years
ago when he exploded onto the scene by winning the 89 Italian Open, and
by beating some very reputable pros on the circuit.  He seems to still have
very powerful groundstrokes, a so-so serve, and can't volley that well.
Still, he seems to have achieved very little on the pro circuit since
1989.  I didn't even remember him till the Singapore TV station showed
the mentioned final recently.  What happened to such a talented player
like him?  Anybody know his GrandSlam records?  What is his current ATP
ranking?

I would rate him as one of the greatest under-achievers in men's tennis.
Opinions on this?

>Dennis.
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Tournament Results, Oct 7
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:47:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


> ATHENS, GREECE
> WEDNESDAY'S RESULTS
> SECOND ROUND
> ------------
> Sergi Bruguera (1) d. Horacio De La Pena, 6-3,6-1
> Markus Naewie d. Magnus Gustafsson, 6-4,6-3
> Thierry Champion d. Martin Jaite, 6-4,1-1 (retired)
> Horst Skoff d. Jordi Arrese, 6-2,6-4



I write:

> Athens
> ------
> 2nd Round:
>
> Bruguera(1) d. de la Pena     6-3 6-1
> Arrese(3) d. Skoff            6-2 6-4
> Gustafsson(7) d. Naewie       6-4 6-3
> Jaite d. Champion             6-3 1-1 (ret)


Hmmm :-)  I happened to use the USA Today for scores results, perhaps
there was a transcription error on their part.  (They also reported that
Stefan Edberg was down match point rather than set point in his match
yesterday).  Anyway, sorry for any confusion.

..Chris



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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: More early results from today
Organization: Brown University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:08:12 GMT

>From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G)
>Connors was fined $600 (not sure about the amount, seems small) for the
>behavior I described in yesterday's posting.


>...Chris

How dare they do this to a 40 years old?! The ATP officials must be
out of their minds. :-)

Quan
From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Aus Indoor 2nd Round
Keywords: Aus Indoor 2nd Round
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:54:07 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

In article <10555@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> jason@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Agassi pass Jim Grab (spelling?) easily 6:4, 6:2.
>
>Edberg won the 2nd Round 7:6, 7:5,
>another close match for Edberg, the German (can not remember his name)
>has set point in the first set.
>
>Tonight, my favorite Ivan Lendl against Mark Woodforde,
>Lendl should pass Woodforde, but Woodforde often give Lendl a
>close match, (hope Lendl go through).
>after that Ivanisevic will also play.
>If Lendl and Ivanisevic both play well, they will meet at
>simi-final, and Agassi will meet Edberg.
>I like to see Lendl can prove that Ivanisevic has a
>big mouth (recall what Ivanisevic said in Wimbledon).
>

Who is the top seed in this tournament.  Is Becker playing.  If not why?

Siva
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Wilson Hammer ??
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 06:08:41 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


In article <BvqK6z.Dz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, ac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (ac) writes:
>Does anyone know a racket named Hammer by Wilson? Any info on its specs,
>price, newest model, characteristics, evaluations?

   Wilson has this unusual habit of combining names of several racquets
to come up with new ones with the word "Pro Staff" usually in there
somewhere.   The Hammer is one of those really expensive racquets
Wilsno makes.  It's supposed to have some weight distribution that
places the sweetspot higher (toward the top of the racquet, away from
the handle).  Of course, it's a widebody.  It probably comes in
a midsize and oversized models.   The Wilson racquets, while solid,
tend to feel clubby to me.   Obviously, some folks prefer this.

   I haven't tested the Hammer, but have tested the 5.0 (the blue one)
and one other model.  I think the Hammer comes in a 2.7 and 4.0 which
are some kind of stiffness rating (though larger numbers are less
stiff).  The 2.7 is really wide.  They have something called the
Hammer Pro Staff, and I think that is the most recent model.  The
price will probably be over 200 US dollars.  It's one of their
high end models.  They have also recently introduced a racquet
called the Aire Shell.  

--
Charles Lin
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From: jlh2@quads.uchicago.edu (jeffrey langdon harris)
Subject: Re: Squash newbie, its GREAT!
Reply-To: jlh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:38:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.215733.4164@socrates.umd.edu> nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos) writes:
>
>I was invited by a friend to play some squash, and it is a 
>blast.  With the dead ball and longer racquet you have
>plenty of time to crank a backhand or forehand.  Unlike
>racquetball, which is all wrist, I dont think playing
>squash this winter is going to hurt my tennis game.
>
>Anyone else out there play?  I need to find a good book
>and purchase a racquet (squash racquets have changed to
>"oversize" as well 8-).  Any recommendations?
>

With the demise of Summer I've been pondering Winter squash too.
I'd also appreciate said recommendations.



Jeff Harris          jlh@midway.uchicago.edu
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