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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Nipple worries
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:23:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart

osiris@athena.mit.edu writes:
>Lynn Evette Clarke writes:

>> (stuff about a sheath of skin emerging from the nipple piercing)

>I know that my piercer told me that no matter what I should not use
>alcohol to clean it because it would kill the forming skin\scar tissue.
>                  It sounds to me that you might have pulled the scar
>tissue out, but as I have never heard of this happening to anyone
>else, nor has it happened to me, I am not sure.  

This happened to me a couple of times, about 3 months after the 
piercing.  It had occasionally produced crusties, off and on, before
this.  It happened to me right after I started using Betadine, but
I think it's a situation where some forming skin is torn inside the
piercing, but not the entire "channel" in my case, because turning
the ring after removing the skin didn't sting as would freshly exposed
flesh.  But I could be wrong.  I only use alcohol when it itches and
I don't have time to do the whole salt-water/cleaning routine.  I'd
try different cleaners, or don't turn it for a day, and see what happens.
Just make sure you don't drag crusted matter into the piercing; the
salt water soak takes care of that.

Arlen
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From: carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore)
Subject: Re: Eyebrow Advice
Summary: My Gauntlet eyebrow pierce is excellent
Keywords: Gauntlet, eyebrow
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:23:12 GMT

In article <MILT.92Jul21103742@primus.esd.sgi.com> milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff) writes:
>I'm thinking about going up to Gauntlet this weekend to get some new
>holes in my head (nostril and eyebrow).  There's plenty of info about
>nostrils in the pierce FAQ, but almost nothing about eyebrows.  Could
>someone who has an eyebrow pierce please post some info (pros, cons,
>problems, etc.)?

I got my eyebrow done at Gauntlet in New York in March.  I've had 17 piercings
(9 ear lobe, 3 ear cartilage, 3 nostril, 1 upper lip, and the eyebrow) and
this is the only one that was professionally done.  This has been the easiest
healing non-ear-lobe pierce I've had.  It's never had the slightest infection,
and I hardly even wash it.  But I take 6 g/day Vitamin C, so I don't get many
infections.  I could even sleep on it after a few days.  The only "problem" I
can think of is that people usually don't notice it under my glasses.  I've
heard of eyebrow piercings growing out, but this probably won't be a problem
if your ring is thick enough.

I definitely recommend the Gauntlet.

carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu   Newark, DE, USA

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From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Subject: re: Nipple worries
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:44:42 GMT

Lynn Evette Clarke writes:

>...so i'm cleaning my piercing last night with alcohol...

I know that my piercer told me that no matter what I should not use
alcohol to clean it because it would kill the forming skin\scar tissue.
I was even told to be careful using  peroxide because it can kill the
new tissue also.  It sounds to me that you might have pulled the scar
tissue out, but as I have never heard of this happening to anyone
else, nor has it happened to me, I am not sure.  

-marcel
 



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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Tight Nipple Ring
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 02:22:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec

My rings (14 ga.) have been in for over five years.  They are
rather tight in the holes if you try to turn them dry, but in
the shower or with any liquid lubrication, they just slip
right through.  I suspect it's just the nature of nipple meat!

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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: tat gun question
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:23:54 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <hurd.711837336@sfu.ca> hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
>
>I had a buddy who had one like this, the needle was permanently mounted,
>and ran in the case from a ball point pen, ick!  How do you clean one
>like that I wonder


wouldn't be my concern because i would never let a terror
like that  near me. :)

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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: 12 ga.
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:59:14 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine

lc2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lynn Evette Clarke) writes:

>what exactly does 12 ga. mean?

well just some example shoudl do the trick

14 ga = 1.6 mm in diameter
12 ga = 2.1 mm
10 ga = 2.6 mm

catch the trend???


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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing in Houston, Texas?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:57:50 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

jet@win30.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

> -eric, who got his ampallang at Gauntlet LA and his tragus at Gauntlet
> SF.  Now all I need is to go to NYC and complete the set!

Oddly enough, I got my left nipple done in NYC, and my right nipple in 
San Francisco. I guess this means that a PA should be done in Dallas or 
some such. ;-)

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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: Tight Nipple Ring
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:56:49 GMT

milt@esd.sgi.com (Milton Tinkoff) writes:

>I've had my nipple pierce for about two months and the only problem
>I've had is that it seems very tight.  It's almost impossible to slide
>the ring through the hole.  I can just barely turn it when it gets wet
>in the shower and when I rub Hibiclens on it I have no problem at all.
>Is this normal?  BTW, I've had absolutely *no* healing problems with
>it (it only oozed once or twice when I first got it).

Mine's about 5 months old now, and it's still a bit tight--I can only
turn it when it's wet.  I went through a minor infection last month,
so I don't try to do too much with it.  I think it takes quite a while
before it can reach the ease of a fully healed ear piercing, say (if
it ever can).  As long as it's not discharging, I wouldn't worry.

Arlen
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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Bodyprints
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:46:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
: In article <BrLMCt.8Ho@mishima.mn.org> tomg@mishima.mn.org (Thomas Greenwalt) writes:
: 
: >My real tattoo when it happens will definitely be a personal statement
: >about me, and a part of me thats remained consistant since I can 
: >remember.  I won't want something that in a couple years I would find
: >trite or regret.  For me a permanent tattoo will need to show some 
: >fundamental aspect of me.
: 
: This is something which people with no tattoos say.  It is even something
: that people with one tattoo tend to say.  Then, when you enter the "I have
: a lot of tattoos" you begin to realize that all your tattoos do not need
: to be a personal statement, and that decorative tattoos and silly tattoos
: have their place as well.

I think you can look at it in a couple of different ways.

You can get a tattoo which is a personal statement, something that is
something fundamental to you.  I have one sort of like that, I guess;
at least it is sort of a symbol to me personally, though it doesn't look
like something like that.

You can also get a tattoo which means something to you because of what
it is -- a tattoo -- rather than because the image itself is important
to you.

You can also get one simply because you like the way it looks, and I
think you may find that it *becomes* important to you after it's on
you.  It may well become a personal statement after the fact.

: I am not belittling the statement, since many years ago I was saying the
: same thing.  However, now that I have many tattoos, I realize that any
: "personal statement" that you make will not be true in 5 years.  I still
: get tattoos of images that are important to me, however, I realize that for
: it to be important to me, it needs to be an image I enjoy, nothing more.

A personal statement may not be important any more, but hopefully the
reasoning behind getting it and the spirit of the statement will still
hold true.  That's actually one possible argument against getting a
tattoo as a personal statement.  My first one isn't so much a statement
per se (it doesn't mean anything to anyone else really), but sort of a
symbol of something to me.  That's not going to change even if I do.
The other two are just because I like the way they look.  Which if you
like could be considered a personal aesthetic statement if you're in
a pretentious mood. ;-)


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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: does ear cartilage pierce take stud or ring?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:17:59 -0500
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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Thanks for the various replies.  I'm learning that the common case is to
get a stud initially, but that it's ok (and occasionally done) to go with
a ring.

Russ
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 01:12:59 CDT
From: <U56933@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried this?

I've seen a picture of someone with her throat pierced... it didn't look like
it was taking too well; it was red at the pierce and swollen. I haven't
actually seen anybody with a throat pierce, myself.
From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: tattoo vs. skinned knee
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:08:19 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Not including infections introduced by the tattooing process itself (ie
anything on the needles, machine, ink, tattooer, etc), is a tattoo any more
likely to become infected than something like a skinned knee?  It seems like
they're both open wounds of a similar nature.  The only thing I can think of
that would be different is people try to take care of tattoos in a different
manner so they don't form as much scar tissue.  Also, the incidence of
infection (the faq mentioned something like 1 in 1000 tattoos the person saw,
or something) seems to be about the same (ie really really low).

Any opinions/ facts?

-me
From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tattoo City
Date: 24 Jul 1992 00:06:24 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <1992Jul23.202054.8879@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>: 
>: Warning to anyone who was going to visit San Francisco in August
>: and was hoping to get tattooed by Freddy Corbin.  He is going
>: to be on a well-earned vacation for the entire month.  He will
>: be back in september.
>
>Damn, so much for my oh-so-tentative plan of getting another one
>before visiting Japan...


	Oh, sure, you've been saying that since I met you.


	Anyway, I don't think you wanna go over to Japan showing too
	much ink. The non-tattooed will all think you're Yakuza
	(Japanese mafia) and the tattooed will look on you with
	contempt if you're less than fully tattooed.


	-Karl(Who's tattoos get some very strange reactions in
		japanese restaurants...) 



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From: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: More TATTOO CITY ?s
Date: 30 Jul 1992 22:35:57 GMT
Organization: Saint Sebastian's school for Wicked Girls
Reply-To: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
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In article <Bs7y0M.9Ly@well.sf.ca.us> wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>
>Eddie Deutsch seems to be booked two weeks in advance
>perpetually.  He doesn't take reservations over the phone (I
>don't think any of the guys working there do, unless they know
>you well).  But they take walk-ins every Saturday.
>First-come, first-served.  

I would advise against doing a walk-in... you are very likely
to get a grumpy, harried, stressed tattooist this way. Saturday
at Tattoo City is not a fun thing.

-Barb
From: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tattoos over scars?
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:51:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: male.l760i0INN2a7
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In article <1992Jul26.112624.8796@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet) writes:
>
>No, this is not a question about _choosing_ tattoos instead of scars.
>I already have the scars. They're under my cast right now, so I don't
>know how bad they are. But I would like to hear about other folks
>experience with tattooing over surgical scars.  Thanks!

I have scars all around my ankle from surgery on a broken leg. When
I was planning my ankle band, I talked to Freddy Corbin and asked
him if tattooing over scars was a problem. He looked at my ankle,
(the scars were about 12 years old then) and said it wouldn't be
a problem at all. He said all scars are different... if they're
raised or too new or really thick then it can be a problem, but
that *most* older scars are o.k. to work over. I did ultimately
decide to tattoo the other ankle, not because of the scars, though,
so I can't say from firsthand experience how it worked for me,
but I thought I'd pass along what an expert had said on the 
subject. 

-Barb
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing in Houston, Texas?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:18:02 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:

> In article <4780NB3w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)  
> writes:
> >Oddly enough, I got my left nipple done in NYC, and my right nipple in 
> >San Francisco. I guess this means that a PA should be done in Dallas or 
> >some such. ;-)
> 
> nope, your navel in dallas 
>     your PA in south america
>     your eyebrow in the Canada.
>     left hand finger web  in europe
>     right hand finger web in bangcok
>     i'll let you figure out where to get the guiche :)

And if I go for the nostril, too, that would probably be Chicago. Time to 
cash in some of those frequent-flyer points. :)

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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: tat gun question
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:35:36 GMT

zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
>In article <brrd5u.3ky@wang.com> fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie) writes:
>>"Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>i saw one (1) gun based on a different approach.  it used a small (9-12 volt)
>motor such as you get for model trains or boats (about the size of a bottle
>of "liquid paper" correction fluid).
>there was an eccentric mounted on the shaft translating the torsional movement
>to an "back and forth" motion. much like the reverse of an old locomotive where
>the "back and forth" motion of the pistons is translated into the torsional
>movement of the wheels.

I had a buddy who had one like this, the needle was permanently mounted,
and ran in the case from a ball point pen, ick!  How do you clean one
like that I wonder
-P.
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From: sera@space.mit.edu (Sera Markoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: More TATTOO CITY ?s
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:53:15 GMT
Reply-To: sera@space.mit.edu (Sera Markoff)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Originator: sera@hoku


Along the same lines as previous posts, I'm looking for the list of the tat 
artists currently at Tattoo City and wondering how long in advance I'd have to 
call about it.  I'm going to be in SF Aug 25-30 (so Corbin's out...) and would 
like to get another one while I'm there.  Any info would be greatly appreciated!!

					Sera
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tattoo City
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:33:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


Warning to anyone who was going to visit San Francisco in August
and was hoping to get tattooed by Freddy Corbin.  He is going
to be on a well-earned vacation for the entire month.  He will
be back in september.


FWA
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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: Bodyprints
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:40:14 GMT

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>>My real tattoo when it happens will definitely be a personal statement
>>about me, and a part of me thats remained consistant since I can 
>>remember.  I won't want something that in a couple years I would find
>>trite or regret.  For me a permanent tattoo will need to show some 
>>fundamental aspect of me.

>This is something which people with no tattoos say.  It is even something
>that people with one tattoo tend to say.  Then, when you enter the "I have
>a lot of tattoos" you begin to realize that all your tattoos do not need
>to be a personal statement, and that decorative tattoos and silly tattoos
>have their place as well.

I think it varies from tattoo to tattoo, and of course person to person.
For me, a tattoo is a marker of a point in my life, whether one of deep
personal significance or a sudden and short-lived period of impulsiveness.
When the tattoo goes on, that period becomes a physical memory, an object
of timelessness.  It's about regret and forethought.

>I am not belittling the statement, since many years ago I was saying the
>same thing.  However, now that I have many tattoos, I realize that any
>"personal statement" that you make will not be true in 5 years.  I still
>get tattoos of images that are important to me, however, I realize that for
>it to be important to me, it needs to be an image I enjoy, nothing more.

Like a diary entry, or a piece of art I've made, now's events and feelings
will probably become trite, embarassing, and fundamentally important as
they affect the future and are shaped by experience. A tattoo or piercing
that's been the result of these events or feelings will almost always make
it siginificant--the time, as well as the image.  As long as the tattoo
is truly connected with the time, it's always consistent.

Arlen
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:58:16 -0400 
From: Lynn Evette Clarke <lc2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: length of cleaning?

 
> 
>how long do you need to clean nipple piercings?
> 
>mine are almost 2 mths old..i clean them twice a day, using a bit of hydro
>peroxide to get the crust off the outside, and then hibiclens diluted half
>and half


i noted that on a bottle of hibilclens, the directions state that one
should not routinely use it as a cleanser. i don't know about hydrogen
peroxide....

while i realise that nipples and healing times vary, i have had my
nipple pierced 4 5 weeks today and it is virtually healed (at least
superficially).  i have seen inflammation from the piercing once in the
last 5 days and there are no more crusties.  my piercer told me 2 use
regular ol' salt solution 3 times a day 2 cleanse the piercing. when i
told him others recommend hibiclens or something similar he said all i
needed was salt solution. i used very dilute hibiclens (the shit is
strong!) interchangeably at first and then i used an antibacterial
ointment additionally 4 a week and a half or so being "paranoid" about
my nipple and just wanting the damn thing 2 heal so i could get 2 the
good stuff *=^> . i also stuck some alcohol into my cleaning repertoire
4 one week last week. now i'm back 2 salt sol and a once-in-a-while
hibiclens bath.

just some suggestions i guess...

happy day!

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