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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: Stupid Flame War [Was: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles]
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:08:24 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance (lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: : You've been squirming
: : around in your attempted "rebuttals" to Andy Finkel,
: It only seems that way to you because you happen to believe everything that
: Andy says, and none of what I say.  If you had the desire to actually read
: the articles that lead up to my current discussion with Andy, I believe that
: you'd think otherwise.

Well, to quote one of the movies you quoted earlier:

	"Everything he just said.... is bullshit"

I.E. What Andy says is usually right and he is backed up by many people, while
you seem to be one of the few clueless individuals who continue to spew such
odious (sp?) bullshit...

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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:01:11 GMT
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Michael Cianflone (mike@struad.cts.com) wrote:
:
:   I guess you still don't get it. comp.sys.AMIGA.advocacy. See there? Amiga.
: uh-mee-guh. Not pee-see. When you come into someone else's house you better
: be careful. Expect to *not* have the same treatment as if it were your own
: group. 
:

Oh my.  I don't think I'd ever want to be a guest at your house.  Seriously,
advocacy groups always invite others to join in.  If you don't like what
someone is saying here, prove them wrong, put them in your killfile, or get
out of the group.  The fact that you created the group does not add any
credibility or justification for your flaming and mudslinging.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:52:13 GMT
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Jason 'KodaK' Balicki (kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan23.015857.15272@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
: >Sure, I'll just reconfigure the site...  This is a computer system with many
: >hundreds of accounts, just on this machine. There are two sysadmins who look
: >over the entire bradley system (which includes about 5 main systems, plus
: >countless machines for departments, plus a machine with its own IP address
: >for each dorm room in about 3-4 dorms)...  SURE they're going to change my
: >name in the computer from Matthew to Matt...  These two actually like to get
: >work done...
: If you are on a unix based system, you may be able to "chfn",  change
: finger information.  You can then change your name to "Matt Simmons" 
: or whatever you please.

: Your sig is entirely too long.  Some people pay for their newsfeeds,
: 'course, if they're reading .advocacy groups, I don't think the'd mind
: the extra bit.

My sig is _not_ entirely too long (I can use the 34 line version, if you want)
.. it's only 3 lines over what our system normally accepts...

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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
From: hardin@ee.ualberta.ca (Hardin Brett Arvid)
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:09:35 GMT

To be honest, Civilization is amazingly slow on the 3000 by comparison with a 486 machine (27 second setup time vs something measured in minuts). this comes down to sloppy programming, and probably a lousy compiler. I would assume that theydidn't rewrite much from the IBM version, just enough to get it to work         (Quit to DOS ???? couldn't they at least change that????)
 
 (quitting crashes sometimes for unknown reasons)
  
  one final comment.  The programmers seem to have ignored the rules for sharing hardware.  If you are multitasking, the program will watch the mouse even if you aren't playing it. Oh Well...
   

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Game content Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:57:35 GMT

 jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Donald R Lloyd (don@chopin.udel.edu) wrote:
>:
>:      All this talk about UU has reminded me of something:
>:
>:      Isn't the guy who wrote the graphics engine behind it now doing OS
>: development at Commodore?
>:
>
>Yes.  The next version of AmigaOS will allow you to travel through the
>directory tree as if it were a multilevel dungeon, using smooth shaded
>first-person 3D graphics.
>
>:-)
>

     At which point, of course, Marc Barrett will complain that the dungeon
travel is "totally broken" because it only allows you to choose the color
of the bricks from a palette of 4096 versus 16 million, and that CBM
goofed up by not including a spell of flying in the OS so the users can
more quickly get through certain aspects of the interface.



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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmger.10609
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
>
> From all indications, the 3210 is indeed the DSP of choice, although
> items such as speech synthesis, compression etc. will likely come in
> the form of 'personality boards' which would be added to the basic
> system. 

Hmm, as far as I heard, this speech synthesis and other stuff is
existing already as pure software library for that DSP. Why should
we need additional hardware???

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:04:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.081542.10152@news.uit.no>, terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen) writes:
>In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.224410.1853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>>In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>>>How much does it cost, you ask?
>>>>
>>>>For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
>>>>gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.
>>
>>You still have that carbon dioxide which causes the climate catastrophe.
>>When remebering the last few years, the climate definitely has changed
>>already. We hardly have winters here anymore, like we had 15 or 20 years
>>ago. Thus also electricity is no solution either, as you have to produce
>>it in powerstations that a) produce masses of carbon dioxide either, or
>>b) are nuclear and will transform the whole world into Tchernobyl area
>>earlier or later.
>
>Yeah, yeah, everythign was better, tougher etc. before.
>Give me som statistics pleae!!!!!
>I still remeber back around 1980 somewhere when we didn't have snow up here 
>until the 25th of December (heck I'm only 20, can't expect me to remember details
>of such things any farther back than that?), and I live in North-Norway
>(er... actually at the coast where we have quite warm winters for being 69
>degrees North, but anyway..).
>
>Well, this year we almost got a new record in snow depth here in early November.
>We had more than 60cm which was second only to a VERY old reckord of more than
>80cm. Heck, and it's so cold here right now that I'll probably get a modem real
>quick so I don't need to freeze my balls of every morning to get to the
>University.
>
>And, yeah, the summer is as bad as they've always been.
>Nope I don't think that you'll find any changes yet that couldn't be described 
>as unnatural.
Er.....
Sorry that should of course be: "that couldn't be described as natural."


Writing at the Northernmost University in the world (or said to be so),
Terje Marthinussen
>
>
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More on 3DO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:41:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

>Who makes the ARM RISC chip? 
>
>In the current Computer Currents magazine (1/12/93), it is stated that
>the first 3DO game brought out by Steven Speilberg will be based on
>Jurassic Park. It is also stated that developers for Trip Hawkins 3DO
>machine will pay a very low licensing fee (<$5) on each game sold. And
>developers will have no restrictions on what games they can bring out,
>or how many. This is entirely unlike Nintendo, which has numerous
>restrictions, and provides low profit margins for its developers.

And at CES in Vegas, the 3DO guys were showing a very early demo
of a Jurassic Park game.. well not even a game, just one scene of
a proposed game, with a real looking human walking around in front
of multi-leveled real looking mountainous terrain. The funny part
of this is that the demo originally had a dinosaur in it, but
Speilberg made the developers take it out (and thus leave a noticable
jump in the demo) because he didn't want the demo to give away
what Jurassic Park was about. Heehee.. as though no one already knows.

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:41:47 GMT

In <C16CBn.E4o@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>>- I've never seen a '040 card for the A3000 which is capable of running the
>>  '030 and '040 simultaneously.

>   The limitation is in software, not hardware.  I suespect that the
>third-party '040 cards for the A3000 can do it, electronically-speaking.
>But the software is not available to do it.



if you had troubled yourself to read the thread in csa.hardware some
time ago, Dave Haynie explained in detail what would be involved in
MuPing the 030 and 040. the OS would need a complete rewrite to use 
the "extra" processor effectively. and there are timing considerations
that the third-party card makers likely did not bother to integrate,
since they had no intention to MuP with the 030.

it is not trivial, easy, or likely, any time soon. and there really is
little point to it. the 030, while a fantastic processor, is the
inbred country-cousin of the 040. sure, it could be relegated to just
blitting text on an 040 machine. but it would do it slower than a
plain 040 could do it, without degradation of overall performance.

please marc - engage brain before accessing keyboard.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:00:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.022313.9007@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>
>>	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm
>>sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
>>vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio
>>and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
>>Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
>>guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.
>
>	My car has a range of 500 miles on a 25 gallon tank. Most cars
>have 12-15 gallons and get a range of 350 miles. Electric cars are pushing
>250-300 miles in range today. With new quick charge batteries, induction

<Reality Check>

These are typically Gas/Electric hybrids which also require a fairly
decent cruise terrain (namely flat/gently rolling interstate).  After
you get to cruise speed using your gas engine you only need about 8 to
10hp to maintain cruise electrically :)

Real driving, however in a city/mountainous environment limits you to
about 30-50 miles on a charge (full electric).

>recharging, and hybrid engines, your car range has been extended to thousands
>and thousands of miles.

Not on a single charge!

>
>	One poster suggested that this will only redirect pollution to
>the electric companies that run on fossil fuels. Well, it is easier to
>fix one electric plant than the 6 million cars sold every year in the US.

My point is that we are still using up a non-renewable resource AND in
an even more inefficient manner though more ecologically sound!


Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: kgray@hotcity.COM (Kerry Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Time for a new thread!
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:06:16 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1993Jan18.155456.5009@ida.liu.se>, c92andst@odalix.ida.liu.se
(Andreas Stenmark) writes:
>Haven't we done the "my box is a lot better than yours"-thread long
>enough now? I think it's time to leave hardware and pick up a thread
>of software discussion instead. For all we know - it's the software
>that makes the computer useful, not the hardware (primarily).
>
One good reason Amiga users avoid this topic is that the IBM's would rout them.
>Maybe this is too hypothetical, but if AmigaDOS was redesigned today,
>how would it be? Still considering efficiency on modest hardware a
>major design goal, how much could the system be improved without
>getting a new OS/2 or Unix?
>
>There are some obvious improvement areas, like cleaning up dos.library.
>Resource tracking. How nice wouldn't it be to just 'kill' a process,
>and have all resources deallocated automatically? Maybe we could have
>some efficient form of memory protection. RTG and better audio support
>would be easier if backwards compatibility wasn't an issue. And it would
>be quite nice with replacable window managers, somewhat like X, but
>better. Etc, etc.
>
>I bet you all have arguments about this. Let's hear them! Maybe it'll
>be clearer what we _really_ want, instead of banging on others OS's
>and crying that _mine_ is the best of all - ever.
>
>       /Andreas
>--
>
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Well, here's my two cents.   What I'd like to see in a new Amiga is mostly
hardware stuff, e.g., multiprocessor support or at least some kind of array
processing hardware.  If C= wants to be big in graphic arts and multimedia,
something like this would really help.

There's been a lot of talk about a two-tier chipset.  What I'd like to see is a
two-tier OS too.  It would be nice to have OPTIONAL VM or OPTIONAL memory
protection or a number of other things that would be of interest mainly to
developers.  That way those that find these things bog down their slow machine
can go with the leaner stock OS.  Of course, sooner or later lazy programmers
will require these things to run their programs.  Bad cess to them, I say.

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Subject: Re: AGA upgrade board????
From: grayfish@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:18:37 PST
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: rtg
Summary: what is rtg

c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de (Christop Feck) writes:

> In <1jk6rhINNhot@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jrb@jrb.larc.nasa.gov (James R. Burley I
> writes:
> 
> >Sorry if this is a FAQ, but is Commodore offering an AGA upgrade board
> >for the older chipset systems? If so, please point me to the details as
> >would prefer to upgrade rather than buy a whole new system.
> >-- 
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > VOICE: 804-864-2008  FAX: 804-864-8294   MS 152E, Hampton, Va. 23665-5225  
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> C= hasn't offered an upgrade and probably won't/couldn't do this either.
> There are only chances for Zorro boards (A2000/A3000) with similar features
> as AGA, but you will have to wait for OS4.0 (RTG) Release.
> 
> BTW: If RTG is available, I would buy a third party graphics card. AGA will b
> 'out' in 2 years. They won't stay as long as the OCS/ECS did. 24bit has futur
> 
> Waiting for RTG...
> 
> Christoph
> 
> (no .signature yet)

Hello, I have been seen a lot of people referring to rtg and was wondering 
if somebody could tell me what it is

Thanks

Graham fisher  (Sumo)

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel vs. Motorola performance
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:38:23 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Aaron M. Buhr (abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan20.182855.17597@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> >Aaron M. Buhr (abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu) wrote:
> >> In article <1993Jan14.214756.28734@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> >> >
> >> >integer instruction           68040           80486
> >
> >> >branch taken                    2               3
> >> >branch not taken                3               1
> >
> >> multiplies.  In contrast, it looks like the 486 wins on conditional branches
> >> (3/1 vs. 2/3), assuming that Intel has optimized the most-frequent case,
> >
> >Probably not. Loops tend to use 'branch taken' a lot more than 'not
> >taken'. At least common sense (tm) tells me so.
> 
>     I would prefer if you could give some references to back up your
> statements, rather than relying on your common sense (tm) :) .  Just to

There were not references as it was what my common sense (tm) said to
me :)

> provide SOME figures, H&P also says that of all branches, for typical
> application code 53% are taken.  It later states that given the frequency of
> loop branches, the frequency of taken branches may go over 60%.  It says

Hmm... I find this a bit hard to believe. I see no reason for not
taking branches most of the time in loops as to me it seems that the
best way to have a loop is to have the branch instruction in the end
of the loop. Of course, if the branch can only be 256 bytes (can't
remember if 486 has thiskind of restriction), it may well be that
they'll use lots of branch not takens with combination of jumps
backward.
	However, if loops are constructed with either the branch
instruction in the begininng of the loop or by using a
branch-jump-combination in the end of loop, we must consider that the
lopo in both cases has an unconditional jump/branch in it and 040
executes this one faster than 486 (2 vs. 3 under optimal conditions).

If I have written something stupid, illogical, idiotical,
MarcBarrettish, odd, weird, or something like that, it's only me and
has nothing or at least very little to do with finnish beers.
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