From: exodus@IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Screaming at the Sun
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:20:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Nov16.152034
Reply-To: exodus@IASTATE.EDUIn article <BxtH9v.62t.2@cs.cmu.edu>, hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

> Felix S. Gallo writes
> > ZZnew guy keeps bringing up old news:
> 
> > >to kill a GBed player who without knowing it.  DarkHorse once took a
> > >last planet from GB during a ghostbust without knowing it.  By all
> > >accounts, yours and theirs, this was the case.
> > 
> > Well, no.  Were you around and reading rec.games.netrek during this 
> > time, or are you just making guesses?  During one of our freezes during 
> > which we had about five ships completely motionless at our planet, and 
> > during which we were typing "ack, frozen completely, pause" to the ALL 
> > board, someone -- I originally accused Spaceman Spiff, but no, it was, I 
> > think, Exxon Valdez -- walked up into a cluster of five frozen cruisers, 
> > including myself, fired eight scout torps at me, blew me up, walked back 
> > to Rom, refitted, and loaded up with armies in an AS.  As I said at the 
> > time, you don't walk into five cruisers in a scout unless you're sure 
> > they're not going to hurt you.  Given the quantity of messages we had 
> > going, one just has to call this deliberate or utterly clueless.  Nobody 
> > on TCP was clueless.
> 
> He was here during the original discussion.  I was also.  The individual  
> you are referring to was not exxon valdez.  Who it was wasn't important,  
> however.
> 
> > >	That your team all slammed Randy does NOT mean that there was no
> > >one-sidedness abouty it.  Only that you were noiseier.
> > 
> > No, not "my team," but "my team and their team."  And not "slammed 
> > Randy," but "slammed each other."
> 
> Well, as I recall there was much more randy slamming by some of the 12AM  
> than anyone else out there.  
>  
> > Hell, remember the Famous Red Shirt posting, in which Bert defiantly 
> > stated that we were obviously liars, because he's able to play netrek 
> > from moriarty all the time without lag -- neglecting briefly the fact 
> > that sixteen incoming net connections are more than sixteen times worse 
> > than one?
> 
> I'm sure you have some point here...I must've missed it...
> 
> > I stated that *I* would not come.  I'm not twelve other people.
> 
> Perhaps you should not be discussing the matter then, eh?
> 
> 
> > >	What does it meant that you could kill your team-mates over the 
> > >lag?  I killed people in Austrailia.  This does not meant that the lag 
> > >did not exist.
> > 
> > It means that the lag was playable enough that I could work with it, and
> > therefore that anyone could work with it, because I suck.
> 
> Hmm...not entirely true.  Some good (local) players don't deal well with  
> lag.  You may be better than most at adapting to lag..even though you  
> still suck....:-).
> 
> > I believe that at most there were two actually ghostbusted individuals 
> > at once.  I suspect that there were less.  The message logs indicate 
> > that the ghostbusters definitely didn't strike four players at once.
> 
> Did you offer to sit out players?  Pause the game?
> 
> > >	I'm not trying to say that TOFW or CrackPot were *ALL* right.  I'm
> > >just trying to say that there are some interesting parallels.  There 
> > >are.
> > 
> > Well, sure.  Hey, both games were also INL netrek games.  And all 
> > players were male.  And we all used keyboards at the same time.  Wow.
> 
> Well..there are more interesting parrallel's than this, of course...:-)
> 
> > >ZZnew guy
> > Felix Sebastian Gallo                              
> 
> Rob
> aka Spaceace! 



  We did pause the game eventually, but our people couldn't
get back in. But really there's no point in going over this
again, since INL has awarded the game to HB despite our
pleading for a rematch. Hopefully they'll scrimmage us so
that we can show we're not that bad.....
  TWNN doesn't genocide us, Xgolems don't genocide us, but
Felix honestly believes that his team could genocide us in
30 minutes? I really don't know what to say to this guy.....
he's convinced they're that good and we're that bad....

                              oh well,
			      Exodus
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