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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals.....my favorite line & spoilers
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:58:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <Nov.8.14.18.12.1992.1510@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes:
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 There may be spoilers ahead.
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>>Look out mateys
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>>my favorite line from Rascals....paraphrased of course:
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>>Picard: What, go back to Starfleet Acadamy and be Wesley Crusher's roomate?
>
>>I found that line particularly hilarious, I was almost rolling on the floor.
>>This episode was nothing more than plain fun.
>
>I loved that line too.  Perhaps the only good thing about the ep (other
>than the children's performances) but was the entire episode pure fun?
>I don't think so.  Pure fun is episodes like "Trouble with Tribbles" (I
>know, TOS example, but it supports my point) and "Deja-Q", episode in which
>you KNOW they're making fun of themselves.  I didn't see that in "Rascals".
>What I saw was them trying to make a serious story, and falling flat on their
>faces.  Even if it was supposed to be plain fun, I don't think they did it
>very well.
>
>LL&P...
>* Tracy E. Finifter			  * "The only thing worse than losing *

I rather liked this episode myself and I partially agree with the above poster
that this was *not* a just for fun episode.  Yes, there were fun and amusing
scenes, Guinan and Ro jumping on the bed, Jean-Luc's childish temper tantrum
with the Ferengi, his crying out of "Daddy" and rushing to Riker's embrace,
Riker's look of "What the ......" etc.  However, at least IMHO, one major
point this episode was attempting to make has been missed completely by most
posters.  Consider the comment Jean-Luc made to Beverly concerning the fact
that he was still the Captain with all his experiences as such still intact.
(Sorry I don't remember the exact words).  However, it was becoming obvious
to him that even though his crew *knew* it was really him they were having
difficulty accepting his orders because of what they saw, a child.  Now, I
have to admit this meant more to me than most as I (at 4'10" and quickly
approaching the half century mark) have had personal experience with others
nonacceptance of what I am inside.  Most react to what they see rather than
what I am.  

I do think this episode was at least in part, addressing this issue.  And
of course the Ferengi plot failed because of their assumption that *they* 
were just children and thus could be ignored.  Things are not always as
they seem.

Just something to consider.

Marg

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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Keywords: Christ, Religion, Disease
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Nov11.005916.14239
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Hi. Someone here recently referred to religion as a "disease". I be-
lieve the quote was "I only hope that when humanity reaches for the
stars, we can leave the disease of religion behind." 
Religion is one of the prime motive forces behind humanity. The
first impetus to "go where no one has gone before" was to see the world
that God had made. I take issue with the claim that religion is used 
only to explain the unexplainable. I believe that the more we under-
stand, the more we should realize that God is awesome, as is His 
creation.
	Now, relating this to Star Trek :)  In the episode where Ro and
Geordi are "phased differently" than the rest of the universe, Ro ends
up regretting that she had arrogantly rejected the beliefs of her ancestors
simply because they were "outdated". (BTW, it seems that only NON-human
ST characters can have a religion) If Star Trek truly represents the 
point in the future when cultural arrogance is (supposedly) gone, then
I submit that religion must play an integral part of 24th century life.
	Well, that's my first post to this net. Don't do me extra-
crispy, okay?

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From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi 24..30...56...
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:03:49 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov3.173315.24708@ncsu.edu> rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct30.145230.11295@bsu-ucs>, 02maferguson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>|> 
>|> Okay, Okay I think everyone has gotten the point that Troi's butt is just
>|> a tad bit 2 big.  Next you know we will here someone like Sir mix alot write
>|> a song about her tush.
>|> 
>
>Data: "Captain, sensors indicate that counselor Troi has eaten one
>       too many chocolate sundaes.  Hull breach is emminant."
>
>Piccard: "Eject the counselor on my mark,   NOW!"
>
>Data: "Ejection falied, we have lost the matter/antimatter containment
>       Field....."
>
>KAAAPPPLLLLUUUUUIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>-- 


Feh. Troi and those skin tight clothes.


Now, what would really happen during any Feringi encouter:

Damon Butthead: "Lower your shields so that we may board, and steal the
                 ship yet again, captain"

Picard: "Mute. Deanna, are they bluffing?"

Deanna reaches out to read their minds...

Deanna: "I sense.... I sense... I sense they are staring at my breasts."


 

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From: ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clinton won!
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:49:06 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:



>So can we stop with the political flames already?

>Firestar

OB: Imminent death of Netnews predicted, film at 11.

>>>>>>Ericw

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From: fcm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fraser Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:TNG Season 6
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:23:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Living in the UK, we are somewhat behind with ST:TNG, and the BBC have only shown
seasons 1-3. I have synopses of season 4 and some of season 5, and am hoping to see
these seasons on video fairly soon.

Anyway, I am looking for synopses of the whole of season 5 and season 6 thus far (I
understand season 6 is currently being aired in the US), so I would be much obliged
if anyone could mail me any synopses. Many thanks.

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From: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals *SPOILERS*...DETTC
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:54:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.6837
Reply-To: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)


	For those of you who have been complaining that Molly O'Brien looked
four years old... it's painfully obvious that none of you spend any time
with young children. The actress they got was IMHO around two years old.
I say this because I have a niece who just turned three, and she's _much_
bigger than "Molly". The simple fact is that kids get big FAST!

	It is true, however, that Molly should only be at around 12 or 18
months, given the show's chronology. But maybe it's difficult to find
half-Asian actresses of the appropriate age?
							Diane Kelly
							Duke Zoology
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From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:32:15 GMT

OK, I have another holodeck question. What if someone goes on a mid-air
holodeck adventure, such as riding in a hot air balloon or skydiving.
Can someone enter the holodeck during this? Would they be in mid air?
Would they fall screaming to the earth far below or would they just
trip on the "invisible" holodeck floor and fall on their faces?

Janet
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From: ecameron@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 1st Annual Data's Poetry Contest
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:26:40 GMT
Reply-To: ecameron@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu ()
Organization: uidaho

In article <1992Nov9.183543.28829@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman) writes:
|> I think that I will never see
|> Perfect android poetry
|> Done by folks like you and me
|> Infected with humanity.
|> 
|> In seeking poetic perfection
|> While lacking electroneuronic connection
|> It will be for us a complex direction
|> But quality rises just like convection.
|> 
|> So yes, we should make this Data-like rot
|> In honor of the sunset on the beach that is hot
|> And for that immortal feline named Spot
|> Go with the contest, give it a shot.
|> 
|> 
|> ==Ken Kaufman (kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu)

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Well, I can't beat that, but it sounds like a great idea!  Let's try it...


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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Subject: Re: Blooper in Rascals?  *minor SPOILERS*
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.172509.3985@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.151908.20924@prime.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.200657.8711@ac.dal.ca> 01lucas@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>the real Ro).  Next week looks worse.  The ending shot of Data shooting at
>>>"us" in slow motion with that evil look on his face made me laugh.
>>>
>>
>>Huh? I haven't seen this, but is this now the 'first person perspective
>>view of a phaser shot'? I remember someone asking for one after
>>a first person perspective view of transporting was shown...
>
>   No, no, it's much worse than you think.  Data was using a six-gun, and
>the crew were all in old west costumes (in an old west movie set)...
>
>AAAARRRRRRGH!

Argh... Oh well, we still have a FEW episodes to go, hope we'll see this
'first-person-perspective' phaser shot someday :-)

BTW: I just saw Relics (I live in Finland, and I got it on NTSC tape
2 days ago) - I liked it, but it wasn't a true classic. Schisms was
simply boooooring - It had it's moments, but....

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Yesterday's E footage AGAIN!  
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:36:58 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls





Minor spoilers for "Rascals"


Anyone else out there think that this _constant_ re-use of the model
footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise" is wearing just a wee bit thin?

Many of you have wondered why it was only two Klingon cruisers, and why
it was Klingon cruisers at all....the answer is budget!


Perhaps the script had a lot more ships taking the Enterprise, or perhaps
real Ferengi ships rather than Klingon ones...but because they still have
all this model footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise," they probably changed
the script to suit the footage.

Next time there's a battle scene Paramount, fork over the cash and actually
pay to have it made please!  You're getting almost as bad as the BBC on
"Blake's 7!"


Steven.K.Manfred



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From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Does It really matter??
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:57:34 GMT

Subject: Does It REALLY Matter?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Keywords: Get A Life!

	Okay guys, its been made clear to all that ST:TNG has many technical
errors and some of them are pretty heinous.  But the basic problem is--IT'S
JUST A TELEVISION SHOW!!!!!  They are trying to explain tech that hasn't even
been invented yet, and I don't think they do that bad of a job, all things
considered.  Yes, the writing on some shows could be better, and I think Worf
gets beat up on too much, but consider your average TV show--isn't TNG a whole 
hell of a lot better?

	To all who feel they must spend hours and lots 'o bandwith discussing
every error ad nauseum (SP?) --GET A LIFE!!!!!!  TNG is just an enjoyable TV
show--it's not real, it's not the savior of the known world, and it can't solve
all the world's problems (it can't even solve all it's own problems).  You miss
out on a lot of enjoyment of a good show by analyzing it so much.  If you think
TNG is such a horrible show, I'm sure there has to be a channel in your area
showing TOS--just don't watch something you think is so bad.

Christine
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           how to read my e-mail yet.  (give me a break--I'm an English major!)
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From: 6500sws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Susan W. Stockwell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: *SPOILERS* Worf in "Fistful of Datas"
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:17:00 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current

Small, minor spoiler for "Fistful of Datas" and "Rascals"...


Bang!

Didn't it seem strange that Worf, the expert marksman, missed the
Ferengi when they came on the bridge in "Rascals?"

For those of you that need proof, he successfully shot the gun out
of Data's hand from a hundred or so feet away in "Fistful of 
Datas", a mere week later.  Dang!  Surprised the hell out of
me!

As for the episode, *sigh*, I'd watch it again to see Spot.
But Brent Spiner in drag was, well, let's just hope they don't
do it again.  Ever.


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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Rascals" !SPOILERS!
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:06:44 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> In article <1992Nov8.002605.278@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>
>>One word about next week's upcoming "A Fistful of Datas.".....
>>Anyone out there notice a trend?  _Every_ single great science fiction 
>>series has to have one _terrible_ Wild West episode?  It's like its
>>a prerequisite or is required in the science fiction series licensing
>>board...."Doctor Who" had one, "The Prisoner" had one, TOS had one,
>>and even "Blake's 7" had a "shoot-out" episode.....
> 
> I thought that "Living in Harmony" (The Prisoner) was one of the best
> episodes they made (along with "Many Happy Returns"). Of course, those
> who love holodeck "reality" might not appeciate this episode, because,
> except for Number 6, the "players" in the western mind-game lose themselves 
> in their roles, with unpleasant consequences.
> 

I'm surprised that I've heard this from more than one person as I really
did not like "Living in Harmony."  Mainly because I have a hatred of
Westerns, but also because I can't see where the logic was in that one:
"If we put him in a Western town and all pretend to be in the Wild West
ourselves, maybe he'll tell us why he resigned his top secret agent post."

I just don't see the connection there.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals.....my favorite line & spoilers
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:18:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes:


































>Look out mateys


>my favorite line from Rascals....paraphrased of course:

>Picard: What, go back to Starfleet Acadamy and be Wesley Crusher's roomate?

>I found that line particularly hilarious, I was almost rolling on the floor.
>This episode was nothing more than plain fun.

I loved that line too.  Perhaps the only good thing about the ep (other
than the children's performances) but was the entire episode pure fun?
I don't think so.  Pure fun is episodes like "Trouble with Tribbles" (I
know, TOS example, but it supports my point) and "Deja-Q", episode in which
you KNOW they're making fun of themselves.  I didn't see that in "Rascals".
What I saw was them trying to make a serious story, and falling flat on their
faces.  Even if it was supposed to be plain fun, I don't think they did it
very well.

LL&P...

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From: greco@elec.uq.oz.au (John Greco)
Subject: Get a Life Trekkies
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:55:10 GMT

Blatant flame propagation to starttrekkers
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From: debell@ERE.UMontreal.CA (De Bellefeuille Andre)
Subject: Young Picard == Picard's *Uncle* in "Family"? (was:Young=Nephew?)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:34:41 GMT

In article <721385970.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP> Tom.Hall@f1.n342.z1.ttlg.UUCP (Tom Hall) writes:
>Several of us watching "Rascals" were of the opinion that the actor
>who played the young Picard was the same kid who played Renee,
>Picard's nephew, in "Family" a couple of seasons ago....
>
>Can anyone confirm this?
>


No, he played his *uncle* ;-)
Seriously, it's the same actor.

Andre De Bellefeuille

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From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Amanda!
Date: 4 Nov 92 03:08:56 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>She even said at the end she was going to go visit her parents. Can't do that
>if they are truely dead and how can an omnipotent being die? I think that
>her parents were exiled somewhere, sorta like those criminals in the Superman
>movies, and cannot get out but still are alive. The tornado was probably just
>to justify it to the humans living amoung them.

Didn't she mean the parents who raised her after her natural parents' deaths?

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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's Aunt Odell and Continuity
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:11:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <1992Nov12.185503.17096@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
lgraham@aldo.srnr.arizona.edu (Lee Graham) wrote:
> 
> The only problem with the Aunt Adele continuity reference is that Bev
> should not remember Picard's aunt's drink, since she was given the
> drink during one of the unremembered time loop sequences in Cause and
> Effect.  At the end of that loop, all was forgotten and new time
> events sequences were gone through, but she never had the hot milk
> drink, or even private discussion with Picard in any of them.
> Maybe they're getting together at night drinking warm milk on other
> occasions, but given TNG's stiff attitudes about the fraternizing
> too chummily, I would doubt it.

Damn!  You're right.  Bev was recording the noises and going down to
Engineering by the end of the episode rather than meeting Picard.  Oh well.

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign