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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Arithmetic
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:53:33 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera

In article <12012@tamsun.tamu.edu>, normanm@cs.tamu.edu (Norman Ma) writes:
>In article <d832880@pro-harold.cts.com> chrisc@pro-harold.cts.com (Chris
>Carstens) writes: 
(referring to JMC's .sig)

>>"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."

>I thought the quote meant higher mathematics, Advanced Calculus, Set Theory,
>etc.  Simple arithmetic is not THAT simple :-).  Try the following,
>while jogging or swimming, try to 
>   -- predicate your next lap time
>   -- calculate your average time per lap
>   -- calculate the expected completion time
>   -- and accumulate the predication error
>Personally, I can only do arithmetic efficiently when I am physically
>static.  I think doing arithmetic will actually decrease or even eliminate
>the feeling of pain during exercising.

While I can't speak for John, given the context in which he adopted his current
signature, I think it's pretty clear that he DOES mean ARITHMETIC.  If I recall
correctly, the context was that, in sci.environment, somebody made a claim
about either the likelihood that we'd soon have half the surface area of the
U.S. covered with highways, and the highways would be covered with cars, or
that, unless we drastically curtail the amount of garbage we produce, we'd run
out of space for landfills in less than 50 years.  Simple arithmetic shows
both of these claims to be nonsense (we might run out of CONVENIENT space for
landfills, but we certainly won't run out of space for landfills entirely, in
that time frame).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: normanm@cs.tamu.edu (Norman Ma)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Arithmetic
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:51:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <d832880@pro-harold.cts.com> chrisc@pro-harold.cts.com (Chris Carstens) writes:
>
>"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
>
>As a health care manager and a psychologist, I have long believed and
>argued that arithmetic is the heart of all of this.  Even algebra is
>usually unnecessary, and statistics only serve to confound the obvious.  
>
>Divide your budget by the number of workers.
>
>Divide your scheduled hours by the number of people who want service.
>
>Multiply your number of sales by the profit on the average sale.  
>
>Pretty damn straight, this arithmetic.  Don't even need to know the
>critical value of p to make a decision.  Just add, subtract, multiply or
>divide and ask yourself, "How the hell do we make this work."
>
>Thanks again.  And may I quote you?
>
>Chris Carstens, Ph.D.

I thought the quote meant higher mathematics, Advanced Calculus, Set Theory,
etc.  Simple arithmetic is not THAT simple :-).  Try the following,
while jogging or swimming, try to 
   -- predicate your next lap time
   -- calculate your average time per lap
   -- calculate the expected completion time
   -- and accumulate the predication error
Personally, I can only do arithmetic efficiently when I am physically
static.  I think doing arithmetic will actually decrease or even eliminate
the feeling of pain during exercising.



--
=================================
Norman Ma   normanm@cs.tamu.edu  
Texas A & M University           
=================================
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: President Moonbeam
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:09:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.031521.1962@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>John McCarthy writes:
>>I think Royko was right the first time.  Brown's appointments as
>>Governor were very flakey, and I shudder to think whom he might
>>appoint to what.  [.  .  .]
>
>Actually, his appointments were generally very good.  Those of his
>successors such as Reagan have been almost uniformly flakey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You must be thinking of Pat Brown, who preceded Reagan as governor of
California.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Xref: sparky alt.california:894 alt.slack:1355
From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: alt.california,alt.slack
Subject: Re: Bob Dobs
Summary: Eat Flaming Death, Pinks!
Keywords: slack, Church of the sub-genius
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes) writes:
>
>Where is Bob?  Does any one have any info. about Bob Dobs and where
>he was last spotted?

You could try alt.slack -- at least, they used to talk about
BoB there.

---
Joel Hanes
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: !!TOMMY: ####for ART INSTITUTE IN SO>CAL.!!!
From: lapete@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Peter Su)
Date: 5 Apr 92 06:11:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Keywords: Attention:  "TOMMY__SWITZERLAND":
Summary: UCLA? USC? California Institute of Arts--Yes.
Originator: lapete@sage.cc.purdue.edu



  Hey Tommy:

    In response to your inquiry about the number for UCLA and USC's animation

program I think I may have a better answer for you.  Since I has a year of

Animation/ Film Making in a Southern California area high school I know that


   

    
    

                                                                              
   
   ool
California Institute of Arts is indeed a much better school for animation 

than UCLA or USC.  Most of the high school graduates that were in the animation

program will beg to have an opportunity to attend Cal Arts.

    One of the most outstanding graduate of my high school was the person who

created the "Pillsberry Dough Boy" commercial.  I believe he graduated from

Cal Art as well(almost 100% sure).  Most of the students at Cal Arts often

ended up working for Disneyland and Disney Studio in L.A.  .   UCLA or USC

is hardly ever mentioned when animation or film making is the topic.

 	I suggest you post another news to see if anyone have the  telephone

number for Cal Art, it has been almost 3 years since I left high school so

I obviously do not have it.
                                       Good Luck,

                                                        P
From: h236_047@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Accommodation in San Diego?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:28:23 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

I am one of a group of three students who will be living and working in San
Diego from early June to early October.

We will be looking for an apartment/house for the three of us to stay in, in
the Pacific Beach area.

If anyone has any info (or a suitable place) I would appreciate it if they
would get in touch with me.

I thought students (UCSD maybe) going away/home for the Summer might be willing
to rent out their apartments. One problem would be that we need accommodation
until the first week of October (probably) and this may run into the start of
the new college year.

Thanks,

Duncan Lennox,
University College Dublin, Ireland.
Internet: h236_047@ccvax.ucd.ie
From: CSMSETS@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (CSMSETS)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: President Moonbeam
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:16:28 PDT

>In article <1992Apr7.031521.1962@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>>John McCarthy writes:
>>>I think Royko was right the first time.  Brown's appointments as
>>>Governor were very flakey, and I shudder to think whom he might
>>>appoint to what.  [.  .  .]
>>
>>Actually, his appointments were generally very good.  Those of his
>>successors such as Reagan have been almost uniformly flakey.
>
>Wait a second....Brown never held the governor's post before Reagan!  How
>could Reagan have succeeded him?
>
I think he's talking about the other Brown (Pat) who was a resonable
Governor...
From: chrisc@pro-harold.cts.com (Chris Carstens)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Phone dating services
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:57:31 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- Pro-Harold BBS -- San Diego, CA

I'm a psychologist, working on a book for single adults who are looking for
relationships.  I'd like your help.

The current new fad in San Diego is the phone-match service.  You put an ad
in the paper, and record a message on a voice mail system.  The system
charges people $1 a minute to listen to the messages and record their
replies.  

The system seems to offer some advantages over regular personals and/or
bars.  Has anybody had any experience with phone matches?  

I'll post an edited summary of replies to this conference.  Please respond
to me by Email -- I can't keep up with the rate of new messages to this
conference.  Thanks much in advance.

Chris Carstens
----
Chris Carstens
ProLine:  chrisc@pro-harold
Internet: chrisc@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-harold!chrisc
From: normanm@cs.tamu.edu (Norman Ma)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Arithmetic
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:44:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University


In article <1992Apr9.075333.29545@cco.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>(referring to JMC's .sig)
>
>>>"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense."
>
>While I can't speak for John, given the context in which he adopted his current
>signature, I think it's pretty clear that he DOES mean ARITHMETIC.  If I recall
>correctly, the context was that, in sci.environment, somebody made a claim
>about either the likelihood that we'd soon have half the surface area of the
>U.S. covered with highways, and the highways would be covered with cars, or
>that, unless we drastically curtail the amount of garbage we produce, we'd run
>out of space for landfills in less than 50 years.  Simple arithmetic shows
>both of these claims to be nonsense (we might run out of CONVENIENT space for
>landfills, but we certainly won't run out of space for landfills entirely, in
>that time frame).
>
Thanks for the clarification.  My humble version of the quote is
"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to lose couple of dollars
each time he pays for the bill at a restaurant." :-) This is not as
significant as the original quote, but it is more personal. From
my personal experience (in Los Angeles and Houston area), about one
out of every four restaurants makes a mistake when they total up the
bill, but the mistakes were never in my favor.

--
=================================
Norman Ma   normanm@cs.tamu.edu  
Texas A & M University           
=================================
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: President Moonbeam
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Apr2140336@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Apr7.031521.1962@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:14:00

In article <1992Apr7.031521.1962@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:

   John McCarthy writes:
   >I think Royko was right the first time.  Brown's appointments as
   >Governor were very flakey, and I shudder to think whom he might
   >appoint to what.  [.  .  .]

   Actually, his appointments were generally very good.  Those of his
   successors such as Reagan have been almost uniformly flakey.
   --
   Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
   Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
   UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022

As is usual in political matters, Les has it backwards - both on whose
appointments were good - and on who succeeded whom as Governor of
California.

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.california
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: President Moonbeam
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:59:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.031521.1962@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>John McCarthy writes:
>>I think Royko was right the first time.  Brown's appointments as
>>Governor were very flakey, and I shudder to think whom he might
>>appoint to what.  [.  .  .]
>
>Actually, his appointments were generally very good.  Those of his
>successors such as Reagan have been almost uniformly flakey.

Wait a second....Brown never held the governor's post before Reagan!  How
could Reagan have succeeded him?

>--
>Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
>Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
>UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
From: kl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kristina Ann Lindholm)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Summer Housing Near Cupertino???
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:05:07 GMT
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I need a room to rent/apartment to share for the summer near Apple
Corporation in Cupertino (San Jose area).

I'm a grad student at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh and have a job for
the summer at Apple.  I need a place from the end of May until
mid-August.

I appreciate any help or suggestions!!

Thanks.

Kristy Lindholm 
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: California Split
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:12:25 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <Edv2blq00VIGAbAFYL@andrew.cmu.edu> so0o+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Sean Patrick O'Brien) writes:
>I just read an articl in USA Today about California wanting to become
>two states (North and South).  The article didn't really give a lot of
>information on it.  Does anyone out there know anything factual about
>this, or is USA Today jsut grouping for rumors?

Well, yes the facts are:
1) It's not an N-S Split, it's an East West split.
2) Perfectly logically.  We have this major geological fissure called the
San Andreas fault.
3) It is all the fault of Mexico.  You see Baja California is trying to push
its way North and with it is taking the US part of California.
[And you only thought they were pushing immigrants.]  But this is going
to take a little while.  You see we are resisting.
So give us a few million years and we will work our differences out.

Personally, I'd rather split the state into Upper and Lower CA (that which
is above 8,000 feet elevation and that which is below 8K ft.  A few
other people believe we should seceed from the Union (we are the Republic
of California [like the Republic of Texas]) and take our
ex-Governor, our electronics/computer industry, our trade, etc.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Ecotopia, Ernest Callenbach, Ecotopia Emerging, Ernest Callenbach
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Pat Brown (was Jerry President Moonbeam)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:42:42 GMT

In article <19920408161034CSMSETS@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>
CSMSETS@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (CSMSETS) writes:
>I think he's talking about the other Brown (Pat) who was a resonable
>Governor...

I recall a few things growing up.  Pat was the first CA Governor to try
for a third term.  My father was one of about two dozen men who in 1964
approached a B-grade actor to convince him to run for Governor of CA.
I do not recall thinking Pat Brown was a reasonable Governor at the time
and the people (for better or worse) voted him out of office.  He was
another big mucky muck politician.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes)
Subject: Housing in Monterey
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:40:39 GMT

I know this is not the place to ask, but its the only news site
with California in the title.

Does any one know of a news site in Monterey that lists housing?

Christopher L. Boes
cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: so0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean Patrick O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: California Split
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:04:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I just read an articl in USA Today about California wanting to become
two states (North and South).  The article didn't really give a lot of
information on it.  Does anyone out there know anything factual about
this, or is USA Today jsut grouping for rumors?
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: President Moonbeam
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:15:21 GMT

John McCarthy writes:
>I think Royko was right the first time.  Brown's appointments as
>Governor were very flakey, and I shudder to think whom he might
>appoint to what.  [.  .  .]

Actually, his appointments were generally very good.  Those of his
successors such as Reagan have been almost uniformly flakey.
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 16:09:37 EDT
From: <32KHW6S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Summer Housing Near Cupertino???

Hi, my name is Denise Harris and I am writing this for my CPS100 class.  I will
 receive 20 extra credit points for accomplishing this.  It was nice to meet yo
u and I wish you luck with your dilemma.  Good-bye!
From: hc0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hugh Conroy)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: S.F. House Sit?
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:08:53 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I am a graduate student at Carnegie Mellon in Pitt, PA coming home
to SF in Mid May for the summer months to do an internship.
    I am looking for someone who needs a house sitter for that time.  Im
very willing to care for pets, plants, gardens and even cars.
    
    Responses to this account or...
    (412) 681-3288

    Thanks,  -Hugh

    
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: melinda@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Melinda Wolfskill)
Subject: WANTED: Wedding Locations
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:34:15 GMT


Hi all!  I will be getting married next year (probably after August) and am
looking for some locations in the SF Bay Area for the ceremony/reception.  I
live in Contra Costa County and grew up in SF so I know a little bit about each
area (a little more about SF).  I am willing to go as far south as Carmel
(possibly further depending on location/budget) and as far north as Sonoma Co.
(wine country...no further, but location/budget are still VERY important). 
Do any of you have any suggestions for places to consider for this big day?
Also, if you know of any books available that will help in my search for that
"perfect place" please forward titles.  Thanks so much!!

Melinda

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ewk@barracuda.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: R.R.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:27:19 GMT

In <9APR199217551806@zeus.tamu.edu> rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR) writes:

>In article <s1vvlINNffi@cs.utexas.edu>, wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes...

>>On a related note, is there any worse beer than Bud Light in the can?!?
>>None seem to come to mind...

>>Rick
>	Have you ever tried Simpatico?
>	It is a Mexican beer that tastes much like the water in a garden 
>hose that has sat out in the sun.

In order to properly enjoy a Simpatico you have to stick a lime wedge in it
(which most restraunts that serve it kindly provide for you).  If you want
something worse than Bud Light, try an American brewed Corona!
From: crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How read date code?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London

In article <j9482k4@fido.asd.sgi.com> rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller) writes:
>Most Canadian beer labels use (or used at one point) one, two,
>three, or four cuts at specific places of the label to indicate
>bottling dates.

Wellington (a Guelph micro-brew) has the good taste to print the date
encoding right on the label so you can tell how old your beer is
getting.  Of course, they're selling un-pasturized good stuff, so age is
important.  Creemore Springs (another Ontario micro-brew) did the same
thing on their 1 litre bottles, but don't any more on the 500 ml
bottles.

Crispin
-----
Crispin Cowan, CS grad student, University of Western Ontario
Phyz-mail:  Middlesex College, MC28-C, N6A 5B7
E-mail:     crispin@csd.uwo.ca		Voice:  519-661-3342 
"If you want an operating system that is full of vitality and has a
great future, use OS/2."  --Andy Tanenbaum
From: cscon105@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: More cheapest beers
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:46:15 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Here in Toledo Ohio the great beers (ha ha) known as American and American
Light go for $7.77 a case.

Also, I was in Indiana this weekend and I saw an add for Hamms for
$6.50 a case.

Bryan Kruzynski
cscon105@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Self-proclaimed beer-pong champ of Toledo!!

Newsgroups: alt.beer