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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
Keywords: alt medicine
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:39:19 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <Brp1A5.DEy@hpbs654.boi.hp.com> kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko) writes:
>
>W.r.t. the colon and regular bowel eliminations, I find his some of
>his `common sense' arguments compelling...how healthy can it be to
>retain putrified food refuse?

Well try this one on for common-sense:  why do you think evolution/God
designed us so poorly that our colons need to be artificially
cleaned out?  If you have worms, cleaning the colon is *not* the
proper treatment.  You won't get all the worms and they will
just multiply again.  You need a treatment of vermicide.  Very
few people in your social class have worms.  Maybe in Africa...

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From: donna@nic.csu.net
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Info Request: Laser for clogged artery?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:47:49 PDT
Reply-To: donna@filly.calstate.edu
Keywords: laser heart artery
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Resources and Technology

Can anyone give me any information on a laser technology to clear clogged
arteries?  I'm looking for information on the procedure itself - what it
can be used for; how new is it?  as well as how it compares to more 
widely used treatments, like open heart surgery.

Thanks in advance!
 Donna

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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Telephones and Doctors
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.211255.7732@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>Michael, do you care to explain what you mean here?  It could sound like
>you were putting women who have back problems and period problems into a
>category of some kind.

I'd hazard a guess that they're the two most common complaints which the
medical profession handles really badly, therefore doctors will be
cornered by people suffering these ailments at parties, saying "How
come the medical profession can't do anything for my ...?"

I suspect if you asked Michael he'd also include *men* with bad backs
in this group, but the original remark he was answering was a joke
about meeting women...

G
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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Clinical Trials on Homeopathic Remedies
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:51:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.194421.5328@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>Not really, because simple dilution won't affect the potency. Besides,
>how do you dilute a pill? But certainly it is possible to properly 
>dilute an extract, thereby increasing its potency. 

Cool.  That means you only have to buy homeopathics once!

You can use it forever by continuing dilutions, which according to
you either don't affect the potency or increases it.

Wow!  I *love* fuzzy science -- it's cheap!

Bill

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From: shahn@hstbme.mit.edu (Samuel Hahn)
Subject: Re: BP of 150/90?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:40:02 EDT
Organization: Harvard-MIT/HST
Followup-To: sci.med

In article <7756.2A61831D@stjhmc.fidonet.org>,
Ned.Canepa@f63.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Ned Canepa) wrote:
> 
> I take Visken, 10 mg twice a day for hypertension.  When I go to the doctor, 
> even while taking the medication my BP reading might be like 150/90 or 
> sometimes a little better.  ONce and a while I even get a 120/80...Then, at 
> home with an electronic device, it is consistently in the 120/80 range..
> I suspect maybe I have "white coat" syndrome.  The sight of the MD makes me 
> nervous, then at home its ok.  Any opinions about this?  The other thing is,
> is 150/90 anything to get excited over..I am 40 years old and my BP seems to 
> get to that high whenever I'm at the doctor, for quite a few years..
> THanks for any replies.

There are conflicting opinions as to the signficance of "white-coat"
hypertension. It undoubtedly exists and has been confirmed in multiple
studies. Some argue, however, that persons with "white-coat" hypertension
may be "nervous-prone" or have otherwise hypertensive tendencies. These
people may have wide variations in their blood pressures, but might run on
the consistently on the "high-side" and therefore should be treated.
The exact role of home blood pressure monitoring is also unclear in this
setting. If my memory is correct, a few studies have validated the overall
accuracy of home blood pressure monitoring devices, but they do
occasionally experience wide inter-individual variations. Regardless of the
accuracy issue, the situation where the BP monitors are used make a HUGE
difference in the detection of hypertension. Obviously, if people use them
after they exercise, etc. the BP readings are not going to reflect a true
"baseline" BP. Conversely, only using the device under the most relaxed,
serene circumstances also biases the data sample.

{A quick check by bring the home BP device to the doctors office will
confirm its (or the doctor's!) accuracy}

150/90 is not an unreasonable BP, although I think most physicians would
feel that the systolic BP is a little high. If you are tolerating the
pindolol well with minimal side effects, it might not be unreasonable to go
up on the dosage. On the other hand, if you do not like the side effects,
you could definitely swtich to another class of antihypertensive medication
(provided there is no overwhelming reason that you need to be on a
beta-blocker).
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
Keywords: alt medicine
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:20:29 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Jul24.225615.34201@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>
>I was wondering, how large was this jar of mayonnaise?  And was it still
>sealed?  I mean do you think it could have been an accident, like a bag of
>groceries spilling in the car or something like that? 
>
>;-)
>
>Thanks,  Alice 

I just can't keep myself from adding my own contribution to this wonderful
thread. When I was a surgery resident I had to operate on a 60 year old man
who had a 16-oz Coke (Classic) bottle high up almost at the junction of the
rectum  with the sigmoid colon. Not only that, but this was a recurrence of
this disease in this particular patient, and he had the surgical scars to
prove it. Ever since I have wondered whether Coke bottles are only locally
recurrent or have the potential to metastasize.

I took a picture of the Coke bottle superimposed on the patient's abdominal
X-ray, and gave it to a radiologist who teaches a course for third year 
medical students. One of his lectures deals with this topic, and he has
titled it The Rectal Horror Picture Show.

---------------
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Another reason to quit smoking
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:07:23 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

TOBACCO SMOKE CAN CAUSE TOMATO PLANT PROBLEMS

If you smoke, be careful about working near your tomato plants in the garden.
Tobacco can contain the Tobacco Mosaic virus, which is deadly to tomato
plants. This virus is not killed by the burning of the tobacco in a
cigarette or cigar. If you are a smoker, but don't smoke in the garden,
it's still a good idea to wash your hands before you handle your tomato
plants.
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From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Inderal vs. Inderal LA
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:01:35 GMT

In article <8398.2A715AA6@stjhmc.fidonet.org>
Tom.Kashuba@f99.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Kashuba), commenting on an earlier
posting by Lora LeMosy,  writes:
 
>                                .... and [I] have tried just about every
>preventive and suppressing drug (including Inderal) - except the Beta blockers
>and related designer drugs which I'm leary of.
 
Huh?  Inderal (brand of propranolol) *is* a beta blocker!
 
["Beta blocker" is medical slang for beta-adrenergic receptor blocker:  They
BLOCK signals from the sympathetic nervous system which would otherwise
stimulate adrenaline and adrenergic actions throughout the body -- well,
actually, the beta(1) blockers work only on beta(1) receptors in cardiac
muscle; most beta blockers also block beta(2) receptors, which occur in
bronchial and vascular smooth muscle.]
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold)
Subject: Re: MRI, is it safe?
Organization: Ians' Playhouse
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.224910.27246@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>I need some feedback asap.  I'm supposed to have an MRI on my shoulder
>tomorrow a.m.  Is it completely safe?  Hurry.  Thanks.
>
>Alice
>

I have been told that it is much safer. For the record I prefer it over ANY
type of X-ray whenever possible. I have had 4 and I have not had any
problems. I have 2 for my neck and brain and 2 for my back. The only thing
about it is that it is a long procedure ( at least the ones I had) and I
have to take a tranquizer and a friend to get through it. I get
clostrophobic (sp?) 

I hope that this helps.

Scott


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From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: government still at large (was Re: FDA still at large)
Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:33:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.185038.3415@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>Another thing I've never liked is the concept and apparent necessity of having
>to sell one's toil/time or the best part of one's life to others in order to
>stay alive (or the other leg of the so-called "free choice": starve), an
>inherently irreversible transaction.  In other words, "work sucks".

You would prefer that someone else toil and spend the best part of
their life so that you would not have to?

>I would have no problem if I could simply, whenever the need arose, quickly,
>and with a minimum of hassle, make a mutually agreeable win/win deal with
>somebody else to satisfy a need of theirs for their satisfying a need of mine.
>How this could be done without a "system" springing up, I have no idea.
>One thing is for certain -- I don't trust "systems".

Thats called free market.  If have a skill or product someone else needs
and he has something you need you both win.  The problem arises when
a third party wants a piece of the action to support the public need
or those who will not support themselves.

I have no problem with support of those who can not support themselves.
But only on a private basis.  The cost of govt programs is too great.
From: nkk@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: allergy/asthma self-help
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:01:07 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

Has anyone ever come across an allergy/asthma mailing list?
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: virus/retrovirus
Date: 26 Jul 1992 11:45:44 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: DNA is still involved in retrovirus duplication.

-*----
In article <1682EB1DD.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
> Retroviruses cut out one step:  They contain *RNA*.  When the RNA gets
> into a cell, it just goes directly to the cell machinery and orders more
> viruses to be built.

A single strand of RNA would be pretty helpless in the cellular
environment, which is designed to preserve and replicate from DNA,
and in which RNA is a mediator, any one piece of which is not
real important.  My understanding is that the RNA of a retrovirus
is transcribed into DNA using reverse transcriptase, and that this
DNA is then inserted into the cell's DNA, from which replication
procedes as with normal virii.  Hence, retrovirus replication
involves one *extra* step, rather than one less step.

Russell
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: toradol and 'ketolac' pain relievers
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:12:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.191250.29391
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <15373@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe) writes:
>Presently, it is only available in a parenteral formulation in the U.S.A.

An oral form was approved a few months ago.

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From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: Re;Menstruation Regulation w/co-workers
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:33:55 GMT

In article <harris.712212036@drvax3> harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris) writes:
>I wonder if the persons doing all this research take into account the
>large numbers of women who use birth control pills? At my workplace, a
>large number of us menstruate at the same time. However, a large number
>of them also take birth control pills. Most of them take the 1st pill at
>the beginning of the month, & are on their "off" week at the same time.
>Voila! Concurrent menstruation!
x
What does this have to do with it?
Aren't women still supposed to take their pills based on their
current cycle?
x
x
x


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From: draper@gnd1.wtp.contel.com (PAM DRAPER)
Subject: food allergies?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: draper@gnd1.wtp.contel.com
Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA
Distribution:  usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:11:11 GMT

I don't know enough about food allergies to know if that could be the 
reason behind my stuffy nose when I recline.  My allergist doesn't seem
to want to truly find the culprit of my 2 1/2 year problem.  I've been
to two allergists and an internist and now am on a wait list for an
Ear, nost and throat guy.  They all seem to want to use my cats as an
excuse.  They don't seem to listen to my symptoms, where they occur, when
and when not.  I'm not satisfied with their answer.  It's to simple to
say cats are the culprit.  I can stick my nose in their belly and
breath in and nothing happens.  But no matter where I lie down to
sleep (at home, a hotel, the beach house, a ski resort) I have a stuffy
nose that interrupts my sleep.  No one has thought of food allergies.

I had a bad bout this early morning?  My coworker asked if I ever 
considered food allergies?  I thought of it before, but to go through
to process of illimination is a pain.  She said something about diary
products.  I said it wa ironic that I had had two ice cream sandwiches
the night before.

Any advice on food allergies, etc. would be most appreciated.
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Weight/appearance of professional models; Re: Obesity
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:57:39 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

>I think more people would do well to get lifestyles elsewhere than

Magazines.

Some evil spirit has taken over my emacs.

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From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re:  colonic irrigations
Summary: There is no cure for stupidity.
Keywords: alt medicine
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:46:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.14rieuINNk1t
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

>OK, so what do you recommend as a preventative for someone like my
>co-worker who suffered from a ruptured colon.  His doctor said that 
>it was caused by a build-up of fatty deposits from his very high fat
>diet.  These fats blocked his colon and it eventually ruptured.

Well, if I believed that story, I'd recommend preventing it by 
NOT EATING SO MUCH FAT in the first place.

Is that too obvious?

Glad I'm NOT a doctor,
	- Brian
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From: scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold)
Subject: Re: FDA still at large
Organization: Ians' Playhouse
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:55:47 GMT
Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness

In article <2860@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.081405.3582@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
>>
>>As another example, if you have a fatal disease and have only 6 months to
>>live, and you read about some treatment in France that is working wonders, you
>>could actually have it, if you want.  The FDA could certainly tell you that
>>they don't know yet if it's safe.  But they couldn't force you (or your
>>doctor) at gunpoint to withhold treatment so that your last 6 months are safe
>>months.
>>
>Hmmm...I wonder....Preliminary research has shown that RU-486 may be
>very effective in treating advanced breast cancer.  If I had breast cancer
>that did not respond to any of the currently legal treatments, and tried
>to bring RU-486 into the country for the purpose of treating my breast
>cancer, would the government and FDA let me?  Anyone want to hazard a guess?
>
>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 


Well I will hazzard a guess. I know of friends that have gone overseas to
get drugs that where not avail. in the US. They had no problem bringing them
in. It had been a while but I do not think that customs looked in their
stuff but I am not absolutly sure on that point. I was under the impression
that one was allowed to bring drugs into the US provided that they would not
sell it and  it was for ones own personal use. I am also under the
impression that you can bring up to a 30 day supply into the US. The fact
that my friends had AIDS may have made a difference. I could be wrong about
the above.

Also I think that the woman who just tried to bring in RU-486 was trying to
prove a point and customs was warned about her arrival with the meds. I do
belive  that had customs not been alerted to the  meds that she would have
had a very good chance of using/bringing the drug into the US. I do not
agree with what was done as far as customs but that is only my opinion. 

I belive that even if something could help me better than a legal treatment
that if I took the time to go overseas and get it I *should* be able to use
it at my own risk.

I know of people that have gotten non-approved meds from the underground as
well in the US. ( somehow I hear the FEDS knocking at my door :-) :-) )

How about this question. If I found a contact overseas for unaproved meds
and could get someone to send it through the mail would that be better than
dealing with customs??

Scott


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From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Telephones and Doctors
Summary: Not just physicians
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:31:52 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <15769@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:

>I also never tell people I'm a doctor unless
>I trust them very well.  People assume all doctors are rich.

And not just physicians.  In the South is it customary to refer to PhD's
as "Dr." also.  (Not so in the Northeast.) 

Anyhow, my name has gotten "Dr" in front of it on some mailing lists
(not the phone book, thank goodness) and I get constantly pestered by
charities assuming I'll give them $50 without any adequate documentation
of who they are and what they do.


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From: T.C.Dufresne@f63.n161.z1.fidonet.org (T C Dufresne)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: SUNSTROKE
Date: 9 Jul 92 20:24:41 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/63 - The Greatful Med, Concord CA

*** Quoting Margaret Goodman to T C dufresne ***

MG> is just that - with deleterious results.My opinion is also due to
MG> a personal aversion to any circumvention of the body's ability to
MG> respond in times of stress ie of the athletes of your
MG> aquaintance, how many of them really over-stress themselves to
MG> the extent of requiring electrolyte replacements?
MG>
As a matter of fact, the athletes that I speak of are collegiate, division one athletes, some which are expected to be functioning in temperatures that sometimes exceed 38 degree C., and for long periods at a time. Yes, indeed, in this case, I want my athletes to be ingesting not only water, but some electrolytic replacement as well. This, I maintain, can be done by frequent ingestion of an electrolytic drink that can not only prevent dehydration, but also prevent or reduce in severity muscle cramps that a


re often brought on by exertion in hot climates. Once again, I agree that water is probably the most important substance that needs to be replenished, but there are instances of hyperhydration found in athletes who participate in ultramarathons and other endurance events.
Again, I think we can agree to disagree..
BTW, I am as American as apple pie, and believe it or not, English IS my first language! I am a PT intern as well as a certified athletic trainer, and was employed before school by a very large, well known college in the Los Angeles area.
TC


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