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Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 10:35:44 CET
From: <ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: FOR SALE!

Hi,
I would like to buy the all software package for the K5 .. editor sounds and
book but I can offer you 135$ .. let me know if it's OK for you !!

Ciao
Andrea
From: smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:47:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Vintage Synths: EML
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)  writes:
>MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET writes:
>> >From:         skinny puppy <five@SYS6626.BISON.MB.CA>
>> >Are you talking about the same companies machines?  Electronic Musician,
>> >(in an issue that talked about old analogs) says that the EML machines
>> >were VERY flaky, with poor stability in the oscillators.
> 
>> I have not experienced any problems with my EML synth.
> 
I was thinking that perhaps I had had a problem with an EML synth, but
now I don't think it was an EML.  I think it was a Putney.  Maybe they
were imported in the US by EML?  I don't remember, it's been a very
long time...  There was a Synthi VCS in an electronic music lab
I used in college.  This unit used a pin grid patching scheme, 
and the pin-grid connectors were quite intermittent.
In addition, some of the pots would occasionally drop out.  And the
unit went in and out of tune. 

Regardless of who made this synth;
  - It was quite powerful for its size
  - It had probably been used and abused quite a bit by students
  - and all the problems seemed to be related to contact problems, which,
    if I owned the machine, I could have fairly easily corrected.

>In the same article, they also said that the PAIA 4700 is too cheesy, and 
>not even worth considering.
> 
>Personally, I LOVE The 4700's sound!!  :)

I find it quite IRONIC that Electronic Musician would say that PAIA's
old "flagship" line was beneath their consideration, considering E.M.'s
heritage.  They USED to be called "Polyphony," and were originally published
by PAIA.  Heh...

I guess it just goes to show that different musicians use their instruments
in different ways.  I still like the sound of my old Casio M-10's super-
cheese "piano."  And I really LOVE the expressiveness of my nose flute!
Anyone know of any MIDI nose flutes?  :->

                    Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
                 Going Up, Going Down, Going Up And Down.
From: bing@coos.dartmouth.edu (Chris Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI speed, again
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:53:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr6.223739.13909@rti.rti.org> rga@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <41ugiB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> cyberden!system@nbn.com writes:
>>
>>*** THE FINAL WORD:
>>
>>MIDI Rate = 31.25 Khz
>> This = 320 Microseconds per BYTE
>>                             ====
>>MIDI bytes are 8 BITS.
>>
>
>Sorry to question THE FINAL WORD, but where do you get 320 us/byte ?
>
>1/31250 = 32us, so 8 bits * 32us = 256us. Have I missed something ?
>
>Randy rga@rti.rti.org

There's 8 data bits per byte, but there's also a start bit and a stop bit with
each byte.  That makes 10 bits total.  32us/bit * 10bits/byte = 320us/byte.

On to the next controversy...  :->

Chris
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:31:40 PDT
From:         James Hedberg <hedberg@INFERENCE.COM>
Subject:      4-track recommendations... (fwd)
Comments: To: "synthesizer information list" <Synth-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

Forwarded message:


> From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
> Subject:      4-track recommendations...
>
> the quest for audio goes on...
>
> > This past weekend my dealer at Brighton Sound (rochester, NY) told me about
 >
> Fostex's current "special deal":
> >
> >  An R8 8-track open-reel tape deck
> >  An 812 12x8x2 console
> >  An MTC-1 MIDI-to-SMPTE converter
> >
> >  all for $2979
>
> now at the other end of the spectrum, how about a little 4-track?  There's a
> Fostex 280 4-track (cassette) with built-in mixer for around $679 or so.  You
> can even get the MTC-1 to do MTC-to-SMPTE conversion with it so it can be
> controlled by your sequencer.
>
I've looked at the Fostex stuff in the local music dive & unless SMPTE
is a necessity I'd go with the X-26.  It is also cassette, with a sync
and I believe 6 in's.  Slightly cheaper too.


> For playing around, how good are the Fostex 4-tracks?  How do they compare to
> Tascam or others?

I own a X-15 and have been quite pleased.  It has stood the test of
time and done the job.  The quality is not that good, but for what it
is I'm pleased.

One of my friends got a Tascam 4-tk. about the same time I bought mine
& had alot of problems with cross talk between tracks and head
alignment.  This was some time ago however

Jim Hedberg

hedberg@inference.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: Midiator and Calkwalk with T1000SE
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:53:05 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr10.145918.10396@menudo.uh.edu> jpeng@menudo.uh.edu (Joseph G. Peng) writes:
>	I know T1000SE is a slow machine (8086 with approximately 9 MHz),
>but I still wanna know if the performance is acceptable if I hook up a
>T1000SE with Midiator and using a basic sequencer software (like Calkwalk).
>Or does anyone use T1000SE for MIDI so far?  How's it works like?
>	Daniel

I've been using a T1000SE with a MIDIATOR for two years (yes, I paid
$1200 for my T1000SE).  Cakewalk works fine (especially with 3 meg --
*very* fast).  I haven't had any problems with timing or dropping
MIDI data, but I don't have much gear and don't send out much
controller info.  The one "problem" is that the MIDIATOR takes the
serial port, so I can't use my mouse with Cakewalk (OK with me, though,
'cause I don't like mice).  It's a great setup, though, because the
T1000SE and the MIDIATOR are both small and very rugged.  I wouldn't
recommend it if you have an Xpander or something else that gets a lot
of controller info, but it should be fine for a small MIDI studio.

	-cut-
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Need Dr.T's information
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:18:04 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams) writes:

> Sort of urgent information needed, please:
> 
> Does anybody know if the older Dr.T patches are compatible with
> the newest (I don't even know how "new") Dr.T editor/librarion
> package called "Xor" or "exor" or ...?  This is the package
> which replaced all of the older individual synth editor/librarians,
> and I'm interested in importing patches from a specific synth editor.
 
I don't know if you've already received help on this but:
 
I'm using X-Or/E-Or on a 1040 STe, and have managed to load DX Heaven 
(Dr. T's DX7 editor) patches right into X-Or without a problem.  If I'm 
not mistaken, patches for similar synths may be compatible, across 
computers.  (Maybe not Macs though).  ???  Anyone else?
 
Five
> 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: Polysix switches not working
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:00:31 GMT


In article <u894825.703300836@bruny>, u894825@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Jon Elliott) writes...
>I have at the present time a unique opportunity - I'm repairing a Korg Polysix.
> My chief problem at present is the front panel switches

Cramolin Red R5 5% spray.  Never leave home without it.  MCM electronics
carries it.  They are in 800 directory assistance.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: anybody know anything about the Kurz Pro 3?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:18:08 GMT


The Pro series are getting pretty cheap ($795), and I was thinking about
picking up the 3 (saxes, trumpets, trombones, guitars, basses).  Has anybody
heard the Pro 3?  How do the samples rate?

Also, whats the details of the Pro series?  How many outputs?  No effects,
right?  How's the user interface?  Anybody like them? dislike them?  Should I
put the money somewhere else?  (basically, I'm looking for some high quality
sax, electric guitar, and electric bass samples -- the U-220 samples are too
short for my tolerances, the Proteus sample are too light and thin for my
tastes).

thanks,

marc webster
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: xrjdm@twinpeaks.GSFC.NASA.gov (Joseph D. McMahon)
Subject: Irrelevancies
Reply-To: xrjdm@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:37:18 GMT

>Ok, I'll bite.  What, exactly, does the phrase 'Sucks to be you' mean? 
>
>John


Dunno. Sounds like a great title for a Nine Inch Nails tune, though. :-)

 --- Joe M.

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:43:33 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Kawai line mixer (8 stereo ins????)
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

>From: "R. Craig Dodson" <cdodson@COM.STRATUS.CAC.BEAST>
>Subject: Re: Kawai line mixer (8 stereo ins????)
>
>In article <31632@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Em 2 da cee) writes:
>> Could someone fill me in on the details regarding the Kawai line mixer that
>> has 8 stereo ins(I am not sure though...).
>>
>> 	thanx
>>
>> 	ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu
>
>It's called the MX8SR and it has 8 stereo channels of input. The first two
>channels will take a mic level input, and the other 6 are only for line
>level. It has 2 effects sends - one mono and one stereo. It's very compact,
>quiet and easy to use. I believe Sam Ash is selling them for around $280.
 ^^^^^

Now I don't claim to know much about mixers, but is the MX8SR really quiet?
It seems quite noisy to me. When I was recording to DAT from it, I did all
sorts of tricks to reduce noise (having a U110 didn't help). I always
wished I'd checked to see if the Boss BX-16 or the Fostex in the same
price range was quieter.

Otherwise I am in full agreement with the above evaluation.

Ross-c
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 11:21:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <65137@apple.Apple.COM>

>And it is around $1000. For
1/3 the price (got mine for $299) the D4 has something like 500 sounds
that can be grouped into 16 drum kits,

Mine has 21 drum kits 0..20.

Aron
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:43:26 GMT

In article <204665@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:
>In article <".9-Apr-92.10:31:44.EDT".*.Marc_W._Webster.henr801c@Xerox.com> webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM writes:
[ ... ]
>>Oh, and by the way, I usually end up practicing on my acoustic piano (better
>>than even analog!  Sorry Metlay!! :-)
>
>Don't apologize. If I had the room and the strength to move it, I'd probably
>own one too. As it is, though, I think I've got the wife convinced that 
>when we finally have a house with a living room large enough for a musical
>instrument, it's going to be a glass harmonica.

Oh, I *would* like to see that.  Could you get it to generate MIDI out?  Might
make an interesting controller... ;-)

>I agree that a lot of people
>are starting out and trying to let technology take the place of hard 
>work, but they'll either learn otherwise or their work will suffer.

Agreed, but hard work can take many forms.  I sweat blood trying to produce
good sounding recordings, even when I'm fully aware that the source material
(generally my own) is simplistic and mediocre.  The alternative for me would
be to stop producing any recordings until I learn enough music theory etc.
to create sophisticated pieces of music.  I would then be depriving myself
of my #1 hobby.  (I do work hard to compose as well as I can, and don't stop
until I've got something that I at least like to listen to, but I know my
limitations.)

I guess the point I'm getting at is that one shouldn't dismiss the effort
that goes into making a well-produced recording.  Technology can provide good
sounds, but can't arrange and produce the final product.

>Dedication applies to whatever kind of music you do, and all *I* ask
>is that people who enjoy making new sounds with electronics, as I do,
>not get swept under the rug out of hand.

I would enjoy the opportunity to not sweep your work under the rug if I could
get my hands on it already.*

                                   - Neil


*refers to "BANDWIDTH" CD, if you hadn't guessed...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jgautier@vangogh.ads.com (Jorge Gautier)
Subject: midiator from Key Electronics Inc.
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:35:42 GMT

I just cruised through this group and found some articles mentioning
the midiator serial interface.  I'm interested in people's experiences
with this product.  (I already called the company to get their info.)
Specifically, is it documented well enough to make it work with a
non-PC computer, e.g., a sun or something else?  I'd appreciate any
comments, opinions, etc.  Thanks.

jgautier@ads.com
From: bae@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kyung "P-N" Baebe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: midi under windows 3.
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:23:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Sucks to be you. 8-)

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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:29:07 GMT

I got the liner notes in the e-mailbox today.

It feels like I'm the only person on the face of the earth with less than a
kazillion synths and/or a personal digital studio at my disposal and the
only net musician doing technopop.  And for the second year in a row, the
moment I dropped my submission in the mail, I realized it sounded rather
blah and uninspired, or technically flawed, or unfulfilling for whatever
reason.

Of course, when I start getting into these moods, I tell myself that this
is not the reason I do my music.  Accolades are nice, but I know that we
don't do our art for applause or fortune.  We do it because we are
compelled to do so, and then silently wish that someone else might get
something out of it.  I'd love to be as famous as my personal hero, Vince
Clarke, but it probably won't happen, and I won't feel bad about it.

Anyway, I congradulate all the folks who participated in this year's Usenet
tape (even though I envy you all for your equipment =-), and give a hearty 
round of thanks to Dewayne Apedaile, who put it all together.  And I'll be 
eagerly awaiting the '92 Usenet tape, armed to the low-tech teeth.
-- 
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:46:48 PDT
From:         Peter Uchytil <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Ensoinq SQ series upgrades -- info?
Comments: To: uunet!AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!SYNTH-L@uunet.UU.NET

Does anyone know if the upgrades of the Ensoniq SQ1/2 are anything more than
extra voices?  My local dealer doesn't know that much about it (surprise).
He called Ensoniq about the price and quoted me $495 to upgrade my SQ2!
As far as I know what this $495 buys me is 11 more voices (brings the total
up to 32).  If I'm not missing something here it sure seems like Ensoniq
does not want people to upgrade because I can buy an SQR (rack SQ1) for
$699.  I'm sure I can do better via mail.  So for $200 more I get a full 21
more voices, another effects chip, and two more audio outs.  Pretty hard
to justify $495, IMHO.

Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cwilson@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chris Wilson)
Subject: ARRG!  GET IT RIGHT!! was: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:33:39 GMT

Okay,  I've been thinking about getting a D4,  so I have tons of literature
from Alesis lying around,  and have played with one.  Too many people have 
been giving incorrect or partly correct info,  so here's the structure of
the D4 playback system: (Note:  this is done with a flyer from Alesis
sitting in front of me.)
	There are 500 drum sounds.  You can store up to 21 kits on the D4,
and use program change messages (or the footswitch or front panel controls)
to change between them.  Each kit consists of up to 61 sounds selected
from the 500 available.  You can set the panning, volume, and output pair
(main or aux) for each sound individually.  This 61-note "window" (as Alesis
calls it) can be moved across the entire range of MIDI-  i.e.,  you can
use MIDI note #s 0-60,  36-96,  67-127,  or whatever.

	This brings up another point.  I was in my local friendly-neighborhood-
music-store-with-incredibly-inflated-prices the other day test-driving the
D4.  I have always been a strong believer in paying for what you get-  i.e.,
I try not to go play with a new MIDI toy at aforementioned neighborhood store,
pump them for demos and information,  and then go buy it from El Cheapo's
Mail Order MIDI.  However,  when I finished checking it out,  the salesdroid
came up to me (vulturelike as usual :^) and started telling me what the
capabilities/specs were on the D4.  Although I knew a lot about it already
(from the Keyboard review, etc.)  I listened in case he knew something I
didn't about it.  It surprised me to hear him tell me things that were not
just slightly inaccurate,  but completely WRONG. (he told me 1. that the
decay times were completely programmable, and 2. that all voices were tunable
over a _5_ octave range,  while they are really only tunable over a one-
octave range.)  Now,  if I had asked weird questions,  and he had given me a
slightly wrong answer,  or just had not know the answer,  that would have
been cool,  but I DIDN'T ASK ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.  It was like he was
parroting out the stock "Drum Machine Capabilities".  I don't think I will
feel too incredibly guilty about buying a D4 somewhere else,  somehow.
	But is this a common occurence?  I've always felt that using a
local store's demo models and service/knowledge was something I should
pay for,  but with this kind of service,  I am beginning to change my
mind.  Has anyone else had experiences like this?

-Chris Wilson
 cwilson@uiuc.edu





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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:34:14 PDT
From:         more dark than shark <DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Alesis ADAT and BRC
Comments: To: synth-l%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

I saw a demo of an ADAT last week, here in Palo Alto.
Must say I was impressed. The DemoDroid didn't quite whip
the croud (ha, all 15 of us or so) into a frothing frenzy,
but the machine has been on my mind since.

The capabilities for the price ($4KUS) are outstanding. I
have the 'slick-sheet' here, and won't repeat the summary
posted at the start of this thread, but what I heard
was quite good.

I remember chuckling at the 'silence' of the blank tape
running, and then crashing up into the music.

The demo was done all with a CD player, but did include
punch-ins, rapidly, randomly and repeatedly, without a
glitch or shudder from the ADAT. The bouncing was as
clean.

didn't hear any weird aliasing on slow fliter-sweeps
synthsounds either...

casey

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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.atari.st,misc.forsale
Subject: Atari ST and MIDI/game/prod software, KB 300 amp, Beyer M69 mic
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:06:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.14690
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


	I plan on upgrading a lot of my equipment and software at the
end of the summer, so I am looking to get rid of a lot of the stuff now:

Atari MIDI Software
	Passport Master Trax Pro (v 3.6)		$125 \  all midi
	MIDIMouse UltraMIDI Music Workstation		 $75  ) software
	Michtron Super Conductor			 $10 /  for $150
also:
	GST C compiler					 $10
games:
	Sierra Leisure Suit Larry I			 $10
	Sierra Leisure Suit Larry II			 $10
	Sierra Police Quest 2				 $10
	Flight Simulator II				 $20
	Mig - 29 Fulcrum				 $30

Computer system forsale if the price is right:

	Atari 1040 STe (Rainbow TOS 1.4 w/4 Meg installed)
	4 joystick, 2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 monitor, 1 rf, 1 DMA out
	Stereo sound and 320x200 512 Color or 640x400 mono graphics
	Internal DS/DD 800K and External SS/DD SF354 400K drive
	1 Mouse and 2 Joysticks included
	NAP analog monitor and connection cable
	Hayes Personal Modem 2400
software included:
	Tons of PD/shareware software
	LDW Power Spreadsheet (VP Planner compatible)
	DBMan (DataBase III+ compatible)

If I get an offer that is sufficient to help me get my new system at this
time, I will sell it to that offer.  Otherwise, I will wait till the end
of the summer.  So send me those offers!!!

Other Miscillaneous equipment:

	Peavey KB300 Keyboard Amplifier - 130W to a 15" and dual horn
		3 inputs (HiZ) with built in reverb and three band EQ

	local sales preferred (detroit metro) as it is a wee big to
	ship, but if you want to pay shipping, I will send it anywhere!

				asking $250

	Beyer M69 stage microphone.  Excellent for doing vocals or
	even for miking instruments (horns/woods)  Reason for selling
	is that I am going to upgrade to the M88TG series of mikes.

				asking $125

If you do not agree to any of the above prices, please feel free to make
reasonable offers.  If you are interested in trades, I am going to be in the
market for Ham 2 meter HT's as well as TNC equipment that supports K.I.S.S.
I am also in need of a Kawai K1r or K1m and will soon be looking for a
Roland Sound Canvas.

swood
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From: wright@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Wright)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:23:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Summary of NewHouse Ideas
Organization: HP IC Business Div Palo Alto