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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Shelter cats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:06:28 GMT

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>I mentioned about a week ago that I'd been calling shelters looking for
>a siamese for friends who weren't finding any in shelters near Valparaiso...
>and that cats were a rare commodity in the shelters last week here.

>Alas, that golden spell seems to have been broken, and I just made my
>very first trip to an animal shelter today to pick up a flame point
>siamese -- a very nice gabby cat with all the earmarks of a great
>lap fungus.  Nameless is at the vet's tonight, losing an important
>portion of his anatomy and getting his FeLeuk shots.

Please tell us more about this beautiful cat, as you get to know him.

>I still don't quite understand how I got out of there without offering 
>to adopt everyone.  Maybe the extra check I left helped assuage my 
>guilt _slightly_. (But don't be surprised to hear I've got a couple 
>more cats soon...)

>Kay

Cats are like peanuts, you can't have just one.

Lenore Levine
(unfortunately, one-catted till I graduate)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Question of Age...
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:27:39 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Kenneth Hall (rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: Greetings fellow netters...

: This is a question of curiosity for me at this moment.  At what age 
: does a female cat stop coming in heat in general.  The reason I as is 
: that my cat "Doc" has shown no signs of having come in heat.  Granted 
: that she was a stray that I took in several years ago, but looking at 
: her belly, there are no signs o a scar from the spaying procedure and 
: I really don't have a fix on how old she really is.  Other notes about 
: her is that she is an indoor cat that can't get out except to sit on 
: the balcony and has no interest in heading to the front door.  She is 
: in good health and in general is a pillow/bed/chair fungus during the 
: day and naps next to me when I watch t.v..  

: P.S. We tried introducing her to a friend so that she would have a 
: playmate. This idea did not go over well and resulted in a declaration 
: of war by all parties involved.  When my nerves were shot a neighbor 
: adopted her to help relieve her loneliness after the death of her cat.

: Thanks for any answers or ideas you can provide...

: Rusty
 
Have you had her tested for feline leukemia?  We rescued a kitten who was
positive.  She had one false pregnancy and never came into heat again.

Also, some queens are very quiet when thay are in season.  I've never had
a yowler.  A friend has Birmans who are quiet, too.

Karen
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What's Your Favorite Kind of Cat?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:32:03 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kjc7435@ultb

I love a good ol' DSH but my favorite purebreed that I cuddle up to when
I go to cat shows is the Norwegian Forest Cat.

K. C.
From: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Licking soap
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:45:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder) says:
>Tyson likes licking your hair.  Not just plain hair, but hair coated with
>hairspray.  He thrives on the stuff.  Two of my mom's cats also lick
>hairspray.  Talk about strange.  :-)
>
>How many of your felines, like licking or chewing on hair covered with
>hairspray??
>
Both Spanky and Darla will climb up my sisters back to get at
her short, moussed hair. Go figure.
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Thanks for tip
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


My eternal thanks to whoever it was suggested putting a cookie sheet
under the dry food dish of a "scooper" kitty. This has saved my sanity
and possibly Bibs' life!

Actually, I found something even better (and cheaper) -- the flat
rubberoid thingie that goes under a dish drainer. Only a buck or two,
it's a bit bigger than a cookie sheet, has s small turned-up edge, and a
slot at one end which makes it really easy to "pour" the food back into
the dish.

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Asorbine for Flea dermatitis?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:52:39 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
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PAM DRAPER (draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com) wrote:

: My mother's cat gets flea dermatitis.  A friend of mine recommended using
: Asorbine, a linoment that is usually used on animals such as a horse.  Has
: anyone heard of this?  Anybody have any other recommendations?

Absorbine is a very strong linament.  That is why they make Absorbine, jr. for
people.  Cats are often even more sensitive to chemicals as they have a
small body mass and groom themselves.  I'd take the cat to the vet, as there
are treatments to stop the itch and very often the cat will be put on a
course of antibiotics for secondary skin infections.  Of course the house
needs to be properly treated for fleas as well, otherwise, you won't fix
the problem.

Karen
From: petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Brushing Teeth
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:00:39 GMT

kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:

>oops..almost forgot.  when you are finished cleaning the cat's teeth,
>let go of the head and stand up, releasing the cat.  He will be angry at
>you, but his teeth will be clean!!!!!


 Oops! No wonder it was so hard for me to walk around until I read this post!

 :&)




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From: ddoug@dl5000.bc.edu (Debra R. Douglass)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: alternative disciplinary measures?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:31:57 GMT
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College..

In article <1992Dec13.194338.3409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman) writes:

   Help! Alexei doesn't mind being squirted with a water pistol!

	   She's not a bad kitten, but she *is* a kitten - which
   means she needs a little correction. Right now my major problems
   with her are:

   1) Attacking Murphy to try to get her to play. Murphy is *not* 
   amused!  (M. is an older spayed female)

   2) Scratching everything except the designated post! (Yes, I've read the 
   FAQ - when I scratch on it or rub her paws on it, she just gives me a 
   funny look). One of the problems with this is that Murphy scratches 
   constantly on the furniture. It's obvious why someone had her declawed. 
   I figure at her age it's unlikely I'll be able to teach her to use the post -
   but Alexei is learning from her!! :-(
	   I really don't want to declaw Alexei, for many reasons. Can anyone 
   help us?

I throw TV Guide magazines at my cats (not to hit the cat, just to hit
near the cat) to disipline them. Because TV Guides are thick (lots of
pages) but small, they make this horrible rustling noise when they
land, which startles a cat right out of its fur coat. Since cats hate
being startle more that just about anything else, they stop doing the
BAD THING after a couple of times. A friend of mine suggested this
when I adopted my first cat and I have read about this method in one of
the books referenced in the FAQ, "You CAN Train Your Cat" by Paul Loeb
and Josephine Banks (available in paperback).

-Debbie

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From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Evolution Cat Food
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:06:28 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I don't know of evolution cat food, but...

> Steve Ritacco writes:
> It is a vegatarian food which claims to be complete, and does not contain
> any
> 3|bi-products or preservatives.  I also realize that cats are not
> vegatarian by
> nature, but if the food is a complete nutritional source... what is the
> difference.

cats are not just vegetarian by nature, they are not vegetarian!!  Cats are
carnivores.  They need meat products.  Dogs are omnivorous... don't have to
have meat.  Not so with cats.  Any premium dry food contains meat products...
you should consider "complete nutritional source" a pretty vague statement.
I am a vegetarian, but I feed my cats the food they need... after all, I am a
vegetarian by choice-- I don't inflict that choice on others, or my cats.
IMHO...
*j* :)
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WE SAIL TONIGHT FOR SINGAPORE - WE'RE ALL AS MAD AS HATTERS HERE!!

*******************Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca***********************
****VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA...HOME OF THE NEUROTIC****
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:21:07 EST
From: <JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....

Heart-felt sympathy from:
Bonnie and Clyde (cared for by Jean and John)
Remember the happy times!
We all hope you will find another furry friend to add to your family.

John Balogh, JDB@OTC.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: seg3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan E. Gants)
Subject: Info needed on radiation treatments
Originator: seg3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Keywords: cancer, radiation
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:30:44 GMT

I would like some net.wisdom/info/help.  My 9-year-old cat (spayed
female) has developed a large-cell tumor.  It was removed (about 95%+)
just before Thanksgiving.  It is located in the muscle/tissue of her
left hip area.  My vet said he got to within 1" of her spinal column
and is sure he didn't get it all out.  He was able, bless him, to not
interfere with her mobility.  She is recovering from the surgery just
fine and starting to tear about the house as usual.

From all the info he has, this type of cancer will not respond to
chemo treatments, but might to radiation.  He's getting in touch with
NC State (Raleigh) about costs and plan of attack.  (They are the
closest location.)

If we don't do the radiation, he gives her about 6-9 months.  Has
anyone out there have any experience with any of this??

    thanks - from me and my "pooter" cat.
-- 
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(804) 924-0620   internet  seg3e@virginia.edu
                   bitnet  seg3e@virginia
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs
From: prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....:  Pet Memorials
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: tears, tears
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:01 EST  

In article <18DEC199210091866@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afkazan@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (The Dinky Ukie) writes...

>>When my Muff died last January, I did something special so that I would 
>>always have a visible memory of her.  I bought a beautiful marble memorial
>>for the garden.  It's very simple, and says only
>>	      Muff
>>	        *  <----------That's a heart
>>	8/20/79 - 1/8/92
>> 
>I'd like to add my thoughts to this thread.  My dearly beloved cat of 18 
>years, Spookers, (a brown tabby, smallish Maine Coon type cat and the 
>gentlest and sweetest cat I've ever known -- she would be on her leash in 
>the backyard and rabbits would come right up next to her to eat clover -- 
>they must have sensed she wouldn't hurt them -- it was hard to pick her out 
>from the group when they were all huddled together -- |;-}).  Anyhow, when I 
>had to do the kindest thing I could for her almost 8 years ago (I'm still 
>grieving for her, even though I did get another kitty, but Spookers was and 
>always will be that extra special cat), I couldn't bear the thought of burying
>her and then one day leaving her behind when I move, so I had her cremated.  I 
>went to a gift shop and found a beautiful heart-shaped wooden box that says 
>"I Love You" on it, put her ashes in it, and sealed it.  Now I will always 
>have her with me (though her true essence and spirit are really in my heart)
>and everytime I look at the box, I remember Spooky.  I also had a gorgeous 
>20x24 chalk drawing done by an artist from a photo of her and had it  
>professionally matted and silver-leaf framed.  This hangs on a wall near 
>the wooden box -- I guess I've created a shrine for her (am I crazy?). 

No you're not crazy.  Love and/or memories are never crazy.


Carol
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Can cats sense a pregnancy in women?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:42:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: increased kneading behavior

>>In article <1992Dec5.202652.24286@ncsu.edu>, odkahn@eos.ncsu.edu (OPHER DANIEL KAHN) writes...
>>>Has anyone experienced behaviour changes in cats when a woman in the house
>>>became pregnant? Can they tell, and if so how?

From the time I was about 6 months pregnant (when I was showing) to the 
end of my pregnancy, my male cat, Bogie, would knead my swollen belly for 
20 minutes at a time, and then lie down across my belly.  At that
point, the baby would kick wildly (big surprise).  I'm convinced
that Bogie and my son bonded in utero that way.  My female cat,
Bacall, never the very sociable one, pretty much stayed away from me
during the last trimester.  Before and after the pregnancy, my cats
liked to knead my stomach, but only for a minute at most.

Maybe Bogie just liked the fact that my belly had become big and
squishy, unlike its usual flat, muscle-lined state.  But, on a
couple of occasions, when the baby kicked vigorously, he actually
succeeded in kicking Bogie (12 lb.s) off my belly!  Bogie would then 
stare intently at my stomach, waiting for something to pounce on.
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: alternative disciplinary measures?
From: stoddard@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (MJ STODDARD)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 08:41 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec13.194338.3409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman) writes...
>Help! Alexei doesn't mind being squirted with a water pistol!
>	..........
>	She knows exactly where the water is coming from, and thinks
>it's cool - she runs over to play with the pistol! I don't want to hit her.
>Is there another way to discipline her?

Try cat-language to explain that you are annoyed.  Hiss loudly while
glaring at Alexei with narrowed eyes.  Swipe with your claws bared
at her head (effective even from across the room -- don't hit, of
course).  Hunch your shoulders and stalk towards her, growling and
spitting.  Look mad.  Sound mad.  You're a human; you can out-think
a mere cat (uh, well, a mere *kitten*, at least.)  If it really gets
bad, try the pounce-towards-kitty-and-thwack (the couch) technique:
loud noises can be generated with a newspaper. Glare -- your are the
queen cat who provides food and love -- she does want to please you
(perhaps placate would be more apt.) Try spraying your perfume or
rubbing your scent after a workout (ie, when hot and sweaty, tough
in the winter) on the spot where she scratches, thus marking it as
YOURS.

Avoid sweet, teasing, kindly tones when she scratches -- kitties
know that cute is okay!  Good luck.  MJ

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.drugs
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:55:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <sf=2q6m00iV445H9dw@andrew.cmu.edu> sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Dec-92 Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
>by Michael J Maryo @udecc.e 
>> thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
>> associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
>> difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that
>
>Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
>  I'm quite interested.
	Okay, have a glass of wine after dinner in Saudi Arabia or a joint
	in America.  Same moralistic nonsense.  How come folks like you 
	can see absurdity in foreign countries but can't seem to see it at
	home?  



							smg
From: annr@meaddata.com (Ann Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a very sad day for me....
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:12:21 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pearl.meaddata.com

Our sympathies and hugs are with you.

Ann, John, Pandy, Cassie (who is experiencing similar symptoms),
Casper, Alex, Chessie, Samantha, Boomer, Meg, and Quantas.

-- 
Ann Roberts                                          Certification Engineering
Mead Data Central                                    (513)865-1121 ext. 4591
P.O. Box 933                                         annr@meaddata.com
Dayton, OH 45401

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From: HF.CLN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Cynthia Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: MORE AIR TRAVEL ADVICE SOUGHT!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:26:18 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Re under the seat pet airline carriers vs. kennel-checked baggage
type carriers.  The airlines now allow the new "collapsible"  type
carriers for travel in the cabin (the kind that look like large
shoulder tote bags with mesh sides).  The only restriction is that
the carrier have a solid water proof bottom (since these bags are
nylon with a stiff bottom this is not a problem).  These bags are
larger than the under the seat carriers which don't allow the cat to
stand or sit up.  I usually just put the bag on my lap with a
blanket loosely over it but usually the airline staff don't care
because they don't realize you have a "cat in the bag."  Note:  some
airline counter clerks (especially the ones with 30 years with the
company) don't know about the new regulations and may insist that
you get one of the standard carriers.  Just ask for a supervisor and
ask the supervisor to check the new rules.  You might want to call
for seats early and try to get the seats that are behind the door to
the aircraft -- these seats have an extra little space in front of
them where I have been able to put the carrier during take off and
landing (on 707's these are seats 19A & B).  Good luck.
   Finally -- I agree that the charge for onboard pets is unfair!




Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com (Karen Ramondetta)
Subject: Re: MORE AIR TRAVEL ADVICE SOUGHT!
Reply-To: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:01:20 GMT

In article 1gr3i2INN9ua@rana.usc.edu, amanda@rana.usc.edu (Amanda Bischoff) writes:
>>Hi, I need further advice regarding air transport of pets.  Is it
>>reasonable or advisable to transport a cat (10-11 pounds) in a "under
>>the seat" carrier versus the larger check in style?  Baron Fluffmeister
>.....stuff deleted....
>My housemate's cat weighs 16 pounds and has *always* gone under the seat.
>He was also given tranquilizers, but that was more for the T ride to the
>airport than for the actual flight.  My vet advised against tranks, but
>did give me one in case it became necessary for the flight back.  He says
>the plane's vibration will put the animal to sleep anyway, and the only thing
>that upsets them is the change in air pressure during takeoff and landing,
>as their ears are more sensitive than ours and they don't know to swallow
>to relieve pressure.
>
>Amanda and Ozzy
>

Well, I'm feeling awful guilty here.  I had planned to leave my two 2-year old kitties
home for a week around New Year's.  But with all the talk on airline costs I'm really 
going to miss them when I'm away.  I'm traveling pretty much from one coast to the 
other for the holidays by Amer. West.  They apparently don't heat or pressurize the 
luggage area,  so that's out of the question.  A friend offered to keep them for the 
week but I wonder how bad it would be for 2 cats (mid-sized) under an airline seat for 
approx 6 hours.  I thought it would be torture at first but if a 16 lb er can do it can
two 10's?  Sounds pretty rediculous when I write it, there isn't too much space under
those seats... but it is a family holiday. sniff.   :(  

Maybe I'll just give them their presents early.  Yeah, give em lots of toys.  They
won't even notice I'm gone and they'll know I love em!  (You can always tell if some-
one grew up in the 70's and 80's)

Karen
karenr@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Confused
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:21:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

>
>>4)  Is food or sleep the most important thing in a cat's life?
>
>Food and then sleep.
>

Reminds me of something I have hanging in my office:

A postcard with the following:

Effective Time Management

MY DAY
8-10 Sleep
10-10:30  Eat
10:30-12  Sleep
12-12:30  Eat
12:30-1  Catbox 
1-3:30  Sleep
3:30  Off

(of course, there is the silouette of a cat in the corner...)

I just found r.p.cats.  Pretty fun!  My cat Mimi (well, her real
name is Willow, she is white with a black and grey raccoon tail
and gray spots on her back - when she stands up, the spots look
like pussy willow).  But "Willow" didn't flow well when I would
call her and Mimi just seemed to work out as a good name for her.
ANYWAY, she has taken to pooping on the floor instead of her
catbox.  We are using the same box, same litter as usual but
she is pooping about 1 foot from the catbox.  Any suggestions?
She is a 9 year British Short Hair.  I have a 6 1/2 month old
baby, but the jealousy thing hasn't been a factor for months
now.  Actually, Mimi is getting a lot more attention than she
did when my son was first born.  

Getting tired of cleaning up cat messes....

Valerie Hayes