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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:22:21 GMT

All thime best endings

ToS:  Jouney to Babel: McCoy gets Last Word
      City on Edge Of Forever: Total Grimness; Lets get
                              the hell out of here -- kirk.
      Reqium for Methusela [sp!]: Spock erases Kirk's depression.
      Piece of the Action: Comic ending.
      Omega Glory: Kirk looks at old glory and exits to Say
                  can you see mixed with ST end music.
      Let That Be Your Last Battle Field:Another cool grim ending.
      Bread and Circuses: Uhura's comment about "sun worship" 
      Amok Time: The Happy Vulcan! :).
      This Side Of Paradise: One of Spocks best quotes, about
                            being happy.     
Too many to mention....

Movies: Twok II: Kirk on remebering Spock. Followed by Nimoy's
                 version of the intro.

Much much Much Harder Now....
TNG: Inner Light: Ditto on flute comments.
     Tin Man: Cool flute music ending as Troi and Data finish
     Conspiracy: The background beacon call...
     Bobw II: When Piccard looks grimly out the window.

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:58:49 GMT

First of all my library does not get startrek hardcovers to the best of my
knowledge. They do get all the paper backs, but you won't get to read them
for maybe 2-3 months after they come out and the condition they are in you
probably wouldn't even want to read them at that point. Trekkers should
take better care of books!



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From: cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Charles Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:15:18 GMT
Organization: COW Pastures

obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:

> schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz) writes:
> >Opinions from the net, please?
> >
> 
> I've decided to take a *literal* interpretation of this request, and offer
> my opinions on these...
> 
> _Probe_     it's TOS, isn't it?   I quit reading those a while back.  While i
> *is* possible that TOS was 'better' for the 60's than TNG is now,   I happen
> to prefer living _now_    The 60's weren't that much fun for me.  TOS was
> definitely a high point.  I've been bored by several TOS novels, so I quit
> reading them.  I'm not saying they're 'bad', they're just not for *me*
> They may have even improved to where I'd like 'em again, but there's already
> more stuff published that sounds interesting than I could ever find time for.
> 
> 
> _Imzadi_    it's only available in hardcover, as far as I can tell.  I waited
> for _Reunion_ and I'll wait for this one.  I don't want to encourage the
> publisher to continue this practice, even though "mainstream" novels are
> usually done this way.  I *like* the concept sometimes called 'pulp' fiction.
> Direct to paperback, please, for me.

        All Star Trek novels bore me.  I just can't get into them.
IMHO.

--
Charles Stephens, SysOp
COW Pastures BBS,
Kennesaw, GA  +1 404 421 0764
cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us
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From: rui@r-node.gts.org (Rui M. Pereira)
Subject: Re: Non-existent racism in Time's Arrow (I and II)
Organization: R-Node.Terra.Sol.Western-Spiral-arm.Milky-Way.Universe
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:49:07 GMT

jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Did anyone notice how strange it was that only a few years after the  
>Emancipation Proclamation that Guinan and/or Geordi can:
>
>* walk around freely (no hassles, no insults, no problems aside from the
>  problems of the story); nobody thinks it's weird to see black folks 
>  wandering.
>  about as if they were 'just another town citizen'.

>* NOBODY questioned either of their skin colors while dealing with town folk.
>* be taken to (or enter even if not a patient) what *MUST* have been a
>  whites-only hospital.
>
>I could see it if these two were approached as if they were just-freed slaves,  
>or if they were constantly being bothered because people didn't feel  
>comfortable being around them.  Yet nowhere in the story (although in Samuel  
>Clemens' talk with Deanna Troi in the turbolift, he explcitly mentions problems  
>that plague our society.  Among them, prejudice.) is racism even MENTIONED.
>

I guess you missed the RACIST comment made by one of the characters:

In the hospital, right after the two aliens show up, followed by the
rest of the crew, when the REAL police officer comes in.  As he (the real
police officer) goes for the 'time cane' (forgot the snake's name), he
says something along "That's a GENTLEMAN's cane".  The way he said it
implies a racist comment.
-- 
 -=[Rui M. Pereira]=- <g0pereir@cdf.toronto.edu>|<rui@r-node.{pci.on.ca|uucp}>
 A bad sector disk error occurs only after you've done several hours of work
     without performing a backup.       - The Law of Computers -
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: FASA
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.103503.2224@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
|The RPG license is still up for grabs and with Gene gone I can see
|Paramount selling the license to someone any time now....

	Last I heard, there were two companies bidding for the rights when
Paramount decided that they needed to re-evaluate whether or not they really
had anything to gain from a ST RPG and pulled the license from the market
pending further study.

	One of the two was Steve Jackson Games; don't know who the other was.


dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com   ...uunet!tronsbox!dfrancis     GEnie: D.HEFFERNAN1
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"I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of everything...haven't
you learned; if it's not happenning to me it's not important?" -Murphy Brown
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Modern THEORIES and Reality (was RE: S.O.S. signal!)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:39:12 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.154217.687@altair.selu.edu> scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.164850.15170@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>>     [...stuff deleted]
>>
>>> Few things annoy me more than the phrase "but time travel is NOT possible,
>>> so this whole thing is irrelevant", this is like the phrase "travel faster
>>> than the speed of sound is impossible", or other similiar naive comments.
>>> I don't mean to flame anyone here, but no-one has the authority to say
>>> "it's not possible" about ANYTHING, we just don't KNOW!  For all we know
>>> Einstein could be completely wrong about relativity (after all it IS only
>>> a POSTULATE) he could be close in the sense that Newtonian physics is close,
>>> but not correct.
>>> 
>>> and if anyone even thinks about mentioning a paradox to do with travel
>>> back in time I won't answer for the consequences.......
>>> 
>>It doesn't matter how annoyed you get. You obviously do NOT
>>understand the principles involved. For example, you equate "FTL

[and other insults deleted]

>>you're saying that you do not recognize the validity and efficacy
>>of causality. You simply cannot just dismiss causality. Nor can
>>you dismiss willy-nilly the concerns about "paradox." Such are
>>the characteristics of shallow thinkers and uninformed minds.
Curiously enough, I did'nt!  Did I?  All I said was that nobody can
say that anything is impossible....
>>
>>    best,
>>     ...terry
>
>
>Sorry Terry, but to a layman in physics like me, you did not at all say
>why travel backward would be impossible.
>
>NO, we don't know ANYTHING for sure in science.
>Please don't forget that.
>
I'm glad someone agreed with me.  Incidently I have a friend that
refuses to believe any of the relativity results whatsoever -
definately and advocate of the "It's impossible so I'm not listening"
approach, its a little sad really.

Thanks,

Mark

P.S This is the last I'm gonna say on this, as this group really
considers other more important issues.  The beeb shows the next TOS
episode tonight!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:26:11 GMT

In article <6613@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct1.030642.28227@phx.mcd.mot.com>, rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
|> 
|> > I do enjoy TNG, but if you were to pick an allstar team, mine would go 
|> > like this:
|>  
|> > Kirk - Captain
|> > Spock - Whatever he wanted to be
|> > Data - Spock's assistant
|> > LaForge - Chief Engineer
|> > Worf - Security
|> > Bones - Chief Medical
|> 
|> 
|> No way!  MY "National league" line up would be:
|> 
|> Jim Kirk        - Captain: - never says "Make it so"; often says "shoot to kill"
|> Mr. Spock       - First Officer:  Good for mind melds when needed
|> Mr. Data        - Science officer: Good to have when main computer is down
|> Scotty          - Chief Engineer:  Can rephase warp engine while it's running!
|> Mr. Sulu        - Helm: Best pilot in the fleet; Good with helicopters too
|> Mr. Checkov     - Navigator: Says "Eye Keptin" better than Data; good looking
|> Tasha Yar       - Security: NEVER wears a red shirt; was nude in Playboy
|> Beverly Crusher - Medical: Nobody calls *HER* bones; has red hair
|> Barry Bonds     - Tranporter Chief: Best overall player in Baseball
|> 
|> VS My "American League" would be:
|> 
|> Jean-Luc Picard - Captain: Bald; calls meetings; seeks advice; afraid to kill
|> William Riker   - First Officer: Gets the girls; afraid to be Captain
|> Troi            - Science Officer: We all know the 2 reasons she's onboard
|> La Forge        - Chief Engineer: Doesn't have a clue; likes holodeck girls
|> Wesley Crusher  - Helm: Best acting ensign the Enterprise ever had
|> Any Extra       - Navagation: Only Mr Data does this job in the 24 century
|> Mr. Worf        - Security: Would kill everyone if Picard allowed him to.
|> Leonard McCoy   - Medical: Still alive in 24th century - he must know something
|> Bobby Bonilla   - Transporter Chief: Most overpaid player in Baseball
|> 


How bout a DH (Guest Star) List ?

Fraser Crane       - Captain: Holds briefings in 10-FWD
Q (Corbin Bernsen) - First Officer: Riker's libido and the ability to 
                     dis-assimilate the Borg at will. 
Guinan             - Counsellor: Provides humble balance for Q.
VYGER		   - Ship's Computer: Where no man has gone before.
		    


-- 
Cary W Reams | "...truth demands to be declared, even if it is
NT/BNR/MTXVO | ugly and unethical."                - Nietzsche 
---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR. 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: STVI press kit for sale 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:04:33 GMT

	I have a press kit for the movie Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered
Country (yeah, I'm sure you all know the full title =^]), and I'm
wondering if any serious collector out there is interested in taking it
off my hands.  It contains a 8-1/2 x 11 book full of info (actually
probably uninteresting stuff to the average Trekkie -- OOPS -- "Trekker"
=^]), and several glossy B&W photos (none missing).  There's also a
seperate gatefold type-t'ing with all the credits.
	Neither of these are in great condition, but if you're at all
interested, I can forward you some more details.
	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: tma4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TERRY MICHAEL AUSPITZ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive an empty concept
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:12:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep25.150800.43338@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 writes:
>Does anyone feel as I do that the Prime Directive is a completely
>empty concept?  It seems to be regularly violated, to the point where
>I can't see any difference between actions carried out under the PD
>and hypothetical actions that would be carried out without it.
>
>If *I* were writing the show, there would be much more discussion about
>interpreting the PD, along with an established Talmud-like tradition
>of such interpretation.--

(Before posting this, let me first say that I am a newly admitted Trekkie and
this is my first posting here, so don't flame me to death if I say something
stupid here.)

I agree with what you say here.  The prime directive seems to have a lot of
potential as a concept to be worked with a lot more than it is.  It seems that
the Federation only considers something a Prime Directive violation if it
blatantly sets back an alien race.  An example:

Forgive me, because I don't know episode names, but I'm sure you remember the
TNG episode where they meet up with an Atlantis-like planit that steals
several of the children from the ship.  By telling the population of the
planet that their master computer was irradiating them and that was what was
killing them, and then assisting them inbuilding a completely new culture,
weren't they INTERFERING WITH THE NATURAL EVOLUTION OF AN ALIEN RACE; that is,
violating the Prime Directive?

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|           ///      ///                  SLR7@LEHIGH.EDU - Stephanie       |
|          ///     ////////               MRP2@LEHIGH.EDU - Matt            |
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: New Women on TNG? (DS9 spoilers)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:21:36 EDT

In article <1992Oct1.134839.10023@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes:
>With O'Brien moving over to ST:DS9 in January, do you think they'll 
>introduce a new transporter chief?  If so, let's hope she's female.
>
>For that matter, let's hope that someone new will be recognizably
>alien.  Any suggestions?
>

	Well, I'm pulling for Ensign McKnight to become a regular, myself. :-)

>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- Kenton L. Campbell --------------------- 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu --
>---- Ball State University ---------------- 01klcampbell@BSUVAX1.BITNET -----
>---- Muncie, IN --------------------------- campbell@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ---------
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

				- Dev


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From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:39:42 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct5.103559.24095@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
> It's curious, I've been reading this net for a while now and to be 
> perfectly honest I don't have a clue what any of these 'faces' mean,
> generally I completely ignore them.  I have to agree with Peter about
> this, they really are a 'crutch' that I feel shouldn't be necessary if
> the article is written properly.  In fact now that I think about it I also
> tend to ignore such things as 'IMHO' and 'btw', if I thought about it I
> might work out what the author means.  I do realise that they are used
> as an abbreviation but still..........
> 
> Mark
 
Ok, I have waited to respond to the remark about "faces".  I started reading
the net last June and totally depend on the faces and other symbols used
here.  I don't care how *properly* you write, humor and sarcastic remarks
can be misunderstood.  A face also can save a paragraph of explanation.

Fran Adams
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Subject: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Originator: schwarts@atlantic.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:17:54 GMT

Opinions from the net, please?


-- 
Steven Eric Schwartz            "It's not safe out here. It's wonderous, with
(schwarts@cps.msu.edu)           treasures to satiate desires both subtle and
125 East Wilson Hall-MSU         gross.  But it's not for the timid."
East Lansing, Michigan  48825                           - Q, "Q Who"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: Alex.Comerford@f37.n254.z2.fidonet.org (Alex Comerford)
Subject: Re: ST authors for book
Organization: FidoNet node 2:254/37 - <Out of the Blue, London
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:00:54 +0000


> I'm looking to interview pro and fanzine-published fan writers
> of ST fiction for a book I'm writing on the subject of Star Trek
> fiction. I'm looking for pro writers from both the Bantam and
> Pocket lines. Any interested writers or those who know where I
> could locate interested writers, please contact me.

Diane Duane can be contacted in Ireland at f164.n263.z2.fidonet.org

Alex
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TMP and ST:TNG music
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:29:29 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London


On a similar note, here, I notice that Cliff Eidelman seems to have succumbed
to James Horner syndrome. The trailer I saw for 1492 sounded very similar
to that for STVI, so I was not surprised to notice his name on the soundtrack
credit. It might even have been the same piece of music.

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
               "There is no parking in the red zone."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bh7030307@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Why Riker REALLY stays on board the E-D
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:20:12 GMT


Personally, I think Riker stays on board the E-D because he's waiting for Picard
to croak.  I mean, look, he's the First Officer on board a ship captained by 
an old Frenchman with a heart problem, and if the old geezer kicks it, he would
probably become the new Captain, especially after his handling of the Borg
affair.  

The greedy bugger doesn't want any old ship of Starfleet.  He wants THE ship,
the one whose insigna everyone wears on their uniforms.  

Just some thoughts,
Andy Logam-Tan
From: grimkirk@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: LeVar B. getting hitched & con guests
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:42:19 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Sep29.124211.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>,
matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>Probably the worst guests were:
>
>William Shatner
>Jonathan Frakes
>Gates McFadden  (only because she was extremely ill-at ease & seemingly
>                unable to comprehend the "con" experience.)
>
>I'd be curious to know who other folk's favorites are.

I'm sorry to hear you say that about Gates. I run a Fan-run Trek oriented con
here in Chicago (much to the chagrin of Dreamworks and Creation...) and Gates
was our very first guest. I can tell you that even after having a root canal on
the Friday afternoon (the Friday after Desert Storm started/Jan 91) before
flying in on Saturday morning, she was most charming and gracious. She
certainly seemed to have a grip on the "con" experience to me. She did two
presentations, one Sat. and one Sun. and did a private photo op with the show
staff for over an hour with autographs. Then took the time to have dinner with
me and my partner at the airport on the way out on Sunday evening. The only
thing she was preoccupied about was the war, as we all were at that time. She
seems to be a relatively serious peacenik. Even novacaine won't change someone
that much and for that long....

As for Shatner and Frakes, I've never met Frakes, but I've been unimpressed
with his TV guest spots on talk shows, and Shatner has a cold fish handshake
that would unnerve almost anyone I know.

      Michael Schneider        | "Women are quite unlike men. Women have
        UFP Computers          | higher voices, longer hair, smaller waist-
         Chicago, IL           | lines, daintier feet and prettier hands.
 grimkirk@amiganet.chi.il.us   | They also invariably have the upper hand."

            The opinions expressed here are most likely my own...
From: cabanc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Klingon drinking song
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:04:36 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

The song in the commercial is from a JODIE.  Its a marching song from
the Army.  Still It might make a Kinglon song since its military. 
Anybody more creative than me want to try?a 
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