From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: One sure way to prevent a teen abortion? (was Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:23:07 GMT

In article <=7nmgy_.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes ...
>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>>>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>>>>> Like, "If I ever find out that you're pregnant, I'll kill you?"
>>>>> A kinder, gentler enforcement of wholesome traditional family
>>>>> values, wouldn't you say? 
>>>
>>>> That's illegal. And it would prompt her to kill the baby by abortion. 
>>>
>>>Of course.  But here you demonstrate more concern for the fetus than
>>>for the daughter.
>>
>>The daughter ain't being killed; the fetus is. 
>>
>>So I show more concern for the victim who might die, than I show
>>concern for the victimizer. Ooooh, gee, that's a _horrible_ principle!
>
>This attitude in some families (get pregnant and you'll be kicked out)
>has killed teenagers who died from secret and illegal abortions and who
>were forced into prostitution and drugs on the streets.
>
>So then, who's the victim and who's the victimizer?

People die in illegal robberies in order to eat food because drunk
parents won't fix them meals. 

Does that mean the thieves were justified, too? If the daughter is
justified here, then hey, so are those hungry folks. 

>>Hey, my folks made sure my brother never talked back to them in their
>>house, "no matter how much damage they do or how deeply they alienate
>>their son." FACT: You do what you're supposed to, in your parents'
>>house. Either that or you do your damnedest not to get caught. If not,
>>they can give you any ultimatum they want: Do it or be grounded, do it
>>or be kicked out, etc.  
>
>To me these parents this shows no regard or respect for their son.  I
>they ever receive any respect back I'll be really surprised.

So you would permit your son to mouth off at you like Bart Simpson?
(Don't get me wrong, I catch the Simpsons weekly for a good laugh.)

>>>If it's a battle over control, every parent loses eventually.  That's the
>>>way it is.  At a certain age, trust becomes a bigger component in the
>>>parent/child relationship equation.  If a parent chooses to make it a war,
>>>he/she is only hastening defeat.  Imo, of course.
>>
>>Tell that 'control' battle to my brother, who now doesn't have a pot
>>to piss in because my folks snatched it away a few years back. 
>
>Won the battle and lost the war.  One son who (probably) doesn't respect
>his parents, and another who doesn't respect anybody.  Pretty sad.

That depends, kiddo. He eventually thumbed his nose at my folks and
got his day, but now he doesn't have a home and unlike me, he won't be
getting a rather growing inheritance. 

It was he who got the short end of the stick. 

I respect people - those who aren't ignorant about what's a human life
and what's a dog or cat life. Pro-choicers can't seem to understand
that distinction.  

>>Aw, and if that were true, we don't have to remind you people of the
>>same act you people tried on me just a few months back. At least Dan
>>Bredy got reported for something he did, that was a blatant violation
>>of USENET rules (claiming to represent his site). You people like to
>>report people for things they're _NOT_ doing, over small shit like
>>"teacher, teacher, he's posting as someone else!" I believe the word
>>that describes your people's actions, is a _PRANK_.  
>
>Like the time you forged Susan Garvin's userid on _your_ post?

I did note in the article that this was a joke. With that Dennis Hall
prank, the pro-aborts (and it is, strangely enough, confined to the
pro-abort camp) won't even, after failing miserably, admit that their
"Steve posted as Dennis" attack was just a practical joke. 

>-- 
>Ray Fischer
>rfischer@cs.stanford.edu
>ray@netcom.com


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1) Why is it that the pro-aborts are the least educated human beings in
the world when it comes to scientific facts? 
2) Why is it that pro-aborts were never raised to read an embryology
book before they debate? 
3) Why is it that pro-aborts never want embryologists around? 

Why ask why? --- 
- Last sentence deleted due to possible legal ramifications... 
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