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From: tmiller@sci.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
Subject: Re: new posters to this group . . .
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:09:35 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In <1992Apr13.062639.7745@cs.yale.edu> eric@beastie.colby.edu (Eric) writes:

>kcwellsc@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Ken Wellsch) writes:
>: The Pro will show a HD failure also if it cannot find a "proper" boot block
>: on the HD.  The hardware itself may be just fine.

>Then, how on earth does one *put* a boot block on it in the first place? :) 
Well it is installed by the system installation of course.

The biggest problem with these PRO's is getting good software.  The P/OS
operating system isn't too bad but the manuals cost a fortune from DECUS.
So the problem is really DECUS and this pseudo public domain status of P/OS.
I have the entire tape for P/OS 3.2 and an ftp site to put it on, but is
that legal?  Probably not.  On the other hand there is never going to be
a renewed interest in programming the PRO's under the DECUS system.
How much would you pay for the operating system for a free PRO?  Your only
hope is to be in a group of PRO owners lower the cost.  Even then if you
get P/OS 3.2, without the manuals you sure can't do very much programming,

Other possible operating systems are Unix (good luck finding a copy) and
RT-11 (still licensed by digital for too much money).  There are also two
"home-brew" unix-like operating systems for the PRO: Xinu and Minix.  They
were both orginally developed for pdp 11's but now mostly support IBM's.  The
two "book developement" operating systems (Xinu & Minix) also run about $200
and do not have a great variety of device drivers.  What's worse is that they
require host machines to compile.

My advice is:

1. Acquire a copy of Unix from someone who has it on their PRO already.  Unix
for the PRO reportedly came from VenturCom in Massachuesetts.  I called them
and they said they didn't sell Unix for the PRO anymore.  To me that means
they don't really care too much about it anymore either.  

2. Acquire a copy of RT-11 from some machine.  Supposedly if you can get RT-11
with a version number >= 5.0 it has hooks for the PRO.  Otherwise, RT-11 came
with the source and you could modify the source.  The biggest job there is
writing a vt100 console terminal driver for the PRO - non trival.

3. Get a copy of P/OS.  You can legally get a copy of this free from a
DECUS member I think (from a Local Area User's Group for sure if they have it).
The problem here is that you don't get the manuals, they cost $240 by 
themselves.

4. Write your own operating system - Not a smart move because the 11/23 is
outdated.

Whatever the case I wish people post their DECUS submissions for the PRO 
(past and future) to this group or comp.sources in the future.  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro
From: eric@beastie.colby.edu (Eric)
Subject: Re: new posters to this group . . .
Organization: None whatsoever.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:57:52 GMT

Sorry about the mailer screwup on my machine... the college's "mail hub"
decided it would do me the favor of rewriting the headers on all my
incoming mail...

I think i've fixed the problem but probably lost a good deal of mail because 
of it. If you mailed me and it bounced, please give me another chance! :)


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From: eric@beastie.colby.edu (Eric)
Subject: Re: new posters to this group . . . 
Organization: None whatsoever.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:48:41 GMT

kcwellsc@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Ken Wellsch) writes:
: You get a boot block installed by inserting one of the various Pro O/S
: installation diskettes into the RX50 floppy drive and booting the machine
: (i.e. power it on).  The machine runs software specific to the Pro.

aha. I tried installing from a floppy distribution of P/OS and it too
complained about the disk drive not being available, or something. I
think I forgot to mention this in my original posting...
: 
: The Pro 325/350 may use the F11 chip, but is not a PDP 11/23 (i.e. with
: Q-bus devices and standard device addresses etc.) ... memory mapped video,
: etc.
I know. I just wanted to see if they'd kept some standard device
addresses, which obviously they didn't. But isn't there a version of
RT-11 that will run on the PRO? 

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From: ttc@horus.uucp (Thomas T Clarke|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: dec 260 monitor problem
Keywords: dec260
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: ttc@horus.cem.msu.edu ()
Organization: Michigan State University, Chemistry, E. Lansing

We have a dec260 monitor that for the last six months has been slowly
losing its intensity.  Turning up the intensity control does not cause it 
to bloom.  It is now almost unusable.
Is there a fix other than replacing the CRT?


Tom Clarke
ttc@horus.cem.msu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: thad@btr.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: TENEX shell question!!!
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:54:46 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, Mountain View CA

In article <JEFF.92Apr9091426@dspprd.sps.mot.com> jeff@dspprd.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick) writes:
>	I have heard that the old DEC TENEX (sp?) shell had an as-you-type
>	command completion feature. Is this true ? The reason that I'm asking
>	is that someone has patented the data structures that would be needed
>	to implement such a shell.

TENEX was BBN's paging version of DEC's PDP-10 circa late '60s and
early '70s, from which TOPS-20 was derived circa 1975.  I don't recall
whether it (TENEX) had command-completion in that fashion; I believe it
required one to type an ESCcape to complete from the COMND JSYS data
structures and tables (whose structures are also in Columbia's ccmd package
and used in their UNIX version of the TOPS-20 MM mailer).

Command completion like you describe DEFINITELY existed on the SDS-930
computers at UC Berkeley re: Project Genie (circa 1963-66).

The person involved with both Project Genie and TENEX was L. Peter Deutsch
(at UCB, then BBN, and now at Xerox' PARC-Place in Palo Alto CA).  He's the
person who should be able to give you the technical answer you seek.

Software patents: blecch.

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]
From: hbo@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Howard B Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: How compatible is a Decstation 5000 connected to a VAX 6000??
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:34:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sbphy.hbo.702927273

alan@shodha.enet.dec.com ( Alan's Home for Wayward Notes File.) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.174633.3940@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov>, robert@triton.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert Angelino) writes:
>> Dec World,
>> 	I'm trying to convince some managers to off-load some of the
>> CPU on the VAX by getting DECstation 5000s and connecting them on 
>> a network ...

>How compatible are VMS and ULTRIX?  Not very, but it depends on what
>you're doing.  You'd have a hard time running a DCL command procedure
>on an ULTRIX system, be it VAX or MIPS.  Various VMS layered products
>do a fair job of hiding incompatibilities.

   Boston Business Computing has a product called VCL that provides a DCL like
shell in Ultrix/Unix. I don't know how well it works, but the product exists.
Along the same lines, a/Soft has a product called nu/TPU that emulates TPU on
Ultrix/Unix. DEC also has DECTPU, which is the same thing, but engineered by
Digital. Both products allow an Ultrix/Unix user to use the EVE editor.
 
>> Can I access files from the VMS system without having to tell it to
>> go to the DECstation disk and vice versa (something like NFS on VMS)??

>Look at UCX.  Among it's features are an NFS server for VMS.

    This allows an Ultrix/Unix system to access files on a VMS disk server. The
opposite function - A VMS NFS client that allows a VMS user to access files on an
Ultrix/Unix host does not exist in UCX as far as I know. TGV's Multinet provides
this functionality, though at a price (UCX is basically free to educational sites
under the CSLG.)

>> Can I do all these thngs with
>> the system (DECstation) out of the box or am I wishful thinking???

  Various companies (BBC, a/Soft, TGV and others) provide tools that either make
VAX/VMS interoperate better with Ultrix/Unix or make the Ultrix/Unix environment
look more like VMS. These companies have an opportunity to sell their products
because the two operating systems don't interoperate perfectly "out of the box,"
despite nifty (!?) things like DECwindows, DECTPU and UCX.

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From: raz@cs.hw.ac.uk (Ross A Macintyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Problems with 3rd party disk, HELP!
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:05:22 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I am having BIG problems trying to get a 3rd party disk working.
The disk in question is a Hitachi DK516C-16(about 1.3 Gb)
I have created a disktab entry like so:
	DK516C-16|Hitachi DK516C:\
		:ty=hitachi:ns#81:nt#15:nc#2179:\
		:pa#518805:ba#8192:fa#1024:\
		:pc#2606400:bc#8192:fc#1024:\
		:pe#419175:be#8192:fe#1024:\
		:pf#1006020:bf#8192:ff#1024:\
		:pg#503010:bg#8192:fg#1024:\
		:ph#159390:bh#8192:fh#1024:
I got the values for ns, nt and nc from rzdisk, in particular
	rzdisk -g current /dev/rrz0a

(Isn't it strange that 81*15*2179=2647485, and I have pc# = 2606400 ?
Well I am told by DEC that this is ok. Normal.)

I put this on the disk, using chpt(with correct options), newfs'd the a partition,
put it on again with chpt -a, and newfs'd every partition.
Sometimes when I fsck the a partition immediately after it says
BAD SUPERBLOCK, use another superblock. I have then seen it work on block 32(but not
always), and if I then check it again it with no b option, if fails, and then fails next
time I specify block 32 again.
Other odd things have happened (usually superblock trashing) with the other file systems
when I have been using different numbers in /etc/disktab, but I think the one above
is correct now. Can anyone send me one that works?

Also I have run "rzdisk -s 0 -1 /dev/rrz0c" and scanned the disk ok with no erors.
So I think there is something wrong with the a partition superblock, but I can't be
sure. Is there a way of getting it to use another all the time? How do I map bad blocks,
but should I do this if rzdisk says it's ok? Also, does fsck -b 32 tell the sytem to
always use this superblock?

Is there a known problem with DEC and big disks.

Any help greatly appreciated. I am getting desperate.
Thanks in advance,

Ross
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From: shlam@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Alan S H Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Help: how to set the ownership of a mounted floppy disk back to general user
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:26:53 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci., CUHK


I can mount a 5000/25 DEC station floppy disk drive as a general user 
as long as the root has set:

chmod +rwx /dev/rfd0a
chmod +rwx /dev/fd0a

However after the mounting, the ownership of the mount directory is
root rather than the user even though the directory is created by the
user and has been set to "chmod +rwx" by the user before mounting.
The status of the mounted directory is still drwxr-xr-x. Hence, general
user cannot directly copy any file to the floppy disk.

As the above problem has not been solved, we cannot release the floppy
disk drive to any general user to use except using the MTOOLS.

If you know the solution of the above problem, please send me a e-mail.
I will appreciate it very much. Thanks.

shlam@eng.ie.cuhk.hk
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From: idall@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Ian Dall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: mail11 incompatability?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:49:34 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Apr14.144704.22789@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> idall@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Ian Dall) writes:
>
>We have just a new version of VMS (5.5?) and a new version of Ultrix
>(4.2a) and mail between the two is behaving very peculiarly.

The problem went away with a reboot of Ultrix. I have no idea what the
problem was. One possibility is that changing parameters with active
"session control applications" (don't you love the terseness) might
have caused it to go into some weird state.

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From: bouillin@tele.nokia.fi (Claude Bouillin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VT100
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:54:47 GMT
	<JYM.92Apr12205136@asche.sybase.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: kpd

>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 03:51:36 GMT, jym@sybase.com (Jym Dyer) said:

>> Could anybody tell me if the standard DEC VT100 has ever been
>> published?

> =o= The standard DEC VT100 what?  Escape codes?  Font patterns?
>     <_Jym_>
I am actually interested in VT100 keyboard layout, escape codes and
semi-graphic character set. I posted my question (Subject: VT100) in 
comp.sys.dec.micro and I got two helpfull answers for now. 
Thanks for your interest in the matter.
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From: cazier@mbunix.mitre.org (Cazier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: VMS 5.5/POSIX
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:37:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr13.163724.10597
Organization: Houston, TX

I would like to find out if the VMS 5.5 OS enhancements can really provide
users with a UNIX-like environment or not.

I gather that VMS 5.5 provides a shell to users who wish to work in
a familiar UNIX environment. Do I assume that this includes sccs, vi,
lint, and various other tools that a UNIX programmer might use in the
course of developing programs?
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From: idall@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Ian Dall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: mail11 incompatability?
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:47:04 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide


We have just a new version of VMS (5.5?) and a new version of Ultrix
(4.2a) and mail between the two is behaving very peculiarly.

Everything else works including dlogin dcp dls and DECwindows
and the equivalent operations from the VMS side. But mail seems
broken. It behaves much the same with the utk-mail11//IDA-sendmail
or with the distributed mail11v3 and sendmail although I can get
debugging output from utk-mail11d.

The main problem is incoming mail. Running VMS mail to send mail
to a user on the ultrix machine hangs at the To: prompt.
At this point there is a mail11v3d on the Ultrix machine which
just hangs doing nothing. Killing the mail11vd3 process wakes up
the VMS mail.

If I use utk-mail11d with the debugging switch I can see that it hangs
at the point where it is supposed to supply a list of recipients.

We are using Phase V DECnet/OSI on the Ultrix machine and Phase IV on
the VMS machine.

Since the DECnet connections seem to work (other wise all the other
things would break) and this behaviour can be observed using old
code for mail11d and sendmail, I tend to the hypothesis that there
has been some change in the mail11 protocol (or else a bug in the
VMS implementation).

Curiously, if I mail from Ultrix to a VMS user who has their mail
forwarded back to Ultrix, the mail gets through (at least sometimes)
but the header tends to be mangled (Subject ends up in the CC field
etc).

I am tearing my hair out and I don't have a lot left, so any help
would be very much appreciated.

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From: bill@pyrite.nj.pyramid.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC system jokes
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: bill@pyrite.UUCP (Bill Pechter)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp, NJ Professional Svcs.

In article <31MAR199210361943@rover.uchicago.edu> frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>	Any Ideas for good April 1st jokes for DEC based systems?
>	One example we did follows:
>
>	DEC's IAS operating system had a very neat feature, a command of
>	"SET/CLI=..." which let you put any program you wanted up as the
>	command line interperter. Made security easier, canned applications
>	could never bomb out and give a person MCR or DCL, etc, but it did open
>	the world for hacking.

The same feature existed in VAX/VMS through 3.5 (probably through 4.2 when I
stopped working with it... but I know it was in 3.5)

The neat thing is it was the only way I could get into VMS when I wrote the
login.com from hell.

Username: pechter/cli=mcr
Password: password

MCR>

 
I miss that feature today...


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From: chris@alderan.sdata.de (Christoph Splittgerber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:17:41 GMT
Organization: C. Splittgerber Datentechnik, Denkendorf, Germany

In article <1992Apr3.190000.23149@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder) writes:

>Maybe when YOUR workstation breaks some network related thing your Unix
>tells you more obviously what is going on.  I recently had just the
>opposite experience:  (1)  The sendmail.cf that was delivered with our
>system carefully stripped off the internet domain name.  (2) since it
>was sendmail.cf, which is the only thing I've ever seen that's worse than
>OS\360 JCL, I just got one from a colleague, and it seemed to work.  One
>doesn't look inside of sendmail.cf unless absolutely necessary, and one
>has almost no hope of changing it in such a way as to improve it.

I've seen statements like this before, to me it looks like that all the
people who are blaming about sendmail never made an attempt learning about
it. From my point of view, sendmail is a complex, powerful tool and
therefor it seems very natural that it's configuration is complex too.
In a complex environment and once you know what you have to do, sendmail
does it's job probably better than most of the other mailers. If you don't
know what to do - it's not sendmail's fault !

         Just MHO,
                    Chris
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From: michael@cutler.com (Michael D. Shields)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: uVII Cust Diags Tape Needed
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:13:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cutler.1992Apr15.101333.220
Organization: Cutler & Company, Inc., Medford OR (503) 770-9000

I'd like to "borrow" someone's uVII Customer Diagnostics tape.  I'm
interested in the version that allows access to the RD disk formatter.

We've got an RD53 (don't laugh too hard) that is in the process of flaking
out.  At this point, it's occasionally replacing bad blocks at multiple
locations on the disk.  I'd like to try reformatting the drive in an
attempt to bring it back online.  Yah, yah, I know it's 67MB is
dwarfed by our 1.34GB drives, but we can use the space.

We have a copy of the uVII Customer Diagnostics tape, but it's one of the
earlier releases that does not provide access to the RD disk formatter.
I wouldn't be surprised if my version has the formatter, but just
doesn't provide access to it.  As an alternative to providing me with
one of the later releases, if someone could provide tips as to how I
can access the formatter on my tape, I'd greatly appreciate it.

  Michael

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From: johannes@ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de (Johannes Viegener)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Talk from DECstation 5000 to Sun
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany

I have a problem with talk from a DECstation 5000 to a Sun
I get the following messages when using talk or otalk:

  Checking for invitation on caller's machine   --> never returns

  invalid protocol (or something similar. Sorry I can't test at the moment)

Anyone had the same problems? 
BTW: Does someone has successfully built xcomm on a DECstation ? :

XComm				4/03/92

xcomm is an X talk program that is also compatible with the BSD talk
program. It also has added features such as an answering maching,
conversation recording, and a host of other goodies.

Regards,   Johannes

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