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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:17:00 PDT
Reply-To:     Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET>
From:         Wegerbau@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      10Base-T/Ethernet Question
X-To:         NOVELL@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU

10Base-T/Ethernet & NetWare/TCP/IP Experts...Here is my question.  Below is a
map of our proposed network.  [S] is the 3.11 server.  [A] and [B] are UNIX
workstations, or possibly one is a PC trying to access the other machine via
Telnet or FTP.  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and M are 10Base-T hubs.  I'm fairly positive
that this will exceed the hop count when running Telnet or FTP from [A] to
[B].  Am I wrong?  Will Novell somehow handle this?  Are there other peer to
peer programs, possibly using IPX, that would also have a problem with this
setup (e.g. Lan Assist or other remote control programs)?

My proposed setup includes one main hub room that will star out to seven
remote hub rooms.  The problem I foresee in the future is adding a hublet,
which is shown below, is when I add a hublet onto a hub to extend into, say,
a classroom.  At that point, will I just have to add a router to the main
hub?  Thanks for any thoughts you can provide...Mike


                         [S]
                          |
                       ---|---
             |---------|  M  |---------|
          ---|---      ---|---      ---|---
          |  1  |      ---|---      |  3  |
          ---|---      |  2  |      ---|---
             |         -------         |
          ---|---                   ---|---
 [A]------|  4  |                   |  5  |--------[B]
          -------                   -------
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:17:40 MDT
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From:         Rich Brown <rbrown@DIJKSTRA.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>
Subject: Re: WP5.1 on Netware3.11
X-To:         NOVELL@SUVM.SYR.EDU

	We are upgrading a bunch of PCs (around 20) from standalone, to
	a Novell LAN. Each of the PCs is licensed for WordPerfect5.1.
	I understand that there are usage problems with just coping a
	single-user version to a public directory. Is there a cheap upgrade
	option for the LAN version of WP51? or an easy (and legal) workaround?
	Other ideas? Thanks.    rc

The network version comes in the same box for WP51.  Follow the docs in the
appendix ("N", I think???) and it should go well.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:52:05 EST
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From:         Ray Todd Stevens <RAY_TODD@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      password manual
X-To:         NOVELL%SUVM.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Does anyone out there have a good manual for users on how to pick
their novell password.  I am in the process of either writting or
aquiring such a manual and need any suggestions or canidates.

Ray Todd Stevens
Safety Dept NWSC Crane
Ray@safety.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil
(812) 854-3207
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:14:16 BR
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From:         Pedro Ismar Maia de Souza Junior <PEDROI@BRUFMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Request to go out of this List

              Please, Mr. Manager

              I want to gout of the list NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET. If possible,
i desire to be removed.

              Mindfully.
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From: lam@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: What sort of load from a Database Engine?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:01:51 GMT

How much load does a SQL database engine nlm put on a server?  2 users at a time
using this, while there are 14-16 other users on the server running pretty disk
intensive tasks.  Right now, I've got a 486-50 EISA with 24MB of memory and
I have the MAC and will have the OS/2 namespace loaded soon.  I'm pretty sure
that I've got the horsepower to do the SQL engine, but will I have the memory.
I'll be scrapping by according to Novell's numbers, when I add the OS/2
namespace, I'll need 24MB for the 1.2GB drive I have mounted.

Anyone doing something similar?

Thanks..Ken

-- 
Ken Lam                                                      klam@uiucvmd.bitnet
Network Administrator                                    klam@uiuc.edu(internet)
Manager of System Services                           uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!klam(uucp)
Social Science Quantitative Laboratory          University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:40:39 PDT
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From:         rsemenof@EE.UBC.CA
Subject:      IPXODI etc. with Netware 2.15
X-To:         NOVELL%suvm.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu

I'd like to make a Netware 2.15 network with
ODI. Would someone tell me whether or not this
can be done ? I'd appreciate it greatly, as it
might save me learning to set up a Novell network
for nothing If I can't have ODI with version 2.15.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:18:21 -0400
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From:         David Schankin <schankin@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RG58 CABLE QUESTION
X-To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.EDU>
              29 Jul 92 09:42:00 EST."
              <9207291408.AA05247@srvr2.engin.umich.edu>

When you buy RG-58 for ethernet, you should always
buy the RG-58A/U variety.  This is the only one
that has a characteristic impedance of 50.0 ohms.

You will also find that A/U is always stranded.  Do
you know the term "skin effect"?  Also, the solid
core is much more susceptible to damage by bending.

Check the spec:  it states 50 ohms.  A lot of folks
buy the 52 ohm stuff which is +/- 2 ohms; now you've
got a 54 ohm cable.

-Dave Schankin
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:50:00 MST
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From:         TREICHEL@CGC.BITNET
Subject:      GPI Error

Thank you in advacnce?

I am running a 2.2 (50) users system on a 486 with 8 mags.

Once a week I get a General Protection Interrupt error. With have Done a
software check of all Items in the server. Including all memory. We have
monitored the flow of electricity to the system and all is fine. We have tried
 all the novell manuals and encyclopedia. Dose any one have a suggestion on how
to fix this error ?
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:51:16 -0400
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From:         wyland@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU
Subject:      Adeptec & >16mb
X-To:         novell@suvm.acs.syr.edu

Thanks for the reponses to use the Adeptec 1542 in a server with >16mb memory.

I am still unclear about one thing.  Since you must set auto register off, this
seems to mean that you cannot actually use the memory above 16mb.
I would appreciate a clarification.  Can you use the REGISTER command to access
this memory if the ABOVE16 switch on the Adaptec driver is on?

BTW: I am talking about an ISA machine.

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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:07:07 EDT
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From:         "Gerd W. Voss" <SYSGWV@GRANITE.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pegasus Mail: modifying name search and system wide add
X-To:         NOVELL%SUVM.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU, NOVELERR@SUVM.SYR.EDU

> From:         Juergen Mennecke <MENNECKE@NW42.WIWI.UNI-BIELEFELD.DE>
> Subject:      Re: Pegasus Mail: modifying name search and system wide add
> X-To:         NOVELL%SUVM.BITNET@VM.HRZ.UNI-ESSEN.DE
> To:           Multiple recipients of list NOVELL
 <NOVELL%SUVM.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU>
>
stuff deleted..
> >
> > Second, I'd like to hide some of the group names and individual usernames
> > from the name search in Pegasus. I don't want people to send E-mail to
> > CHEY_ARCSERVE or LPR_USER, or some of the groups that exist either. How do I
> > keep F2 from finding them?
>
> Create a group named NOMAIL and put all users you don't want to send or
> receive mail in that group. Members of NOMAIL won't show up in PMAIL's
> user list, and PMAIL generates an error message if you tra to send mail to
> a NOMAIL-member directly.
>
> As for groups, there is only a workaround (as yet):
> Put the names of those groups which you don't want to be sent mail into a
> system wide address book and leave their delivery address blank. This will
> effectively disable mail delivery to the group.
>
> Hope this helps,
> - Juergen -
greetings,
    There is a option like nomail, group_mail group.
This group called  group_mail allows its members to send to a group.
    The F2 will show groups as #foobar but if you are not a member of
group mail the mail will fail, I think at the header stage, that you
are not authorized.......etc.
    I have one member, supervisor. Though if there were a larger
structure, group managers would be in there ...
Don V



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  sysgwv@albany.edu
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:17:57 MDT
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From:         Rich Brown <rbrown@DIJKSTRA.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>
Subject: Re: nettech cbt, windows 3.1
X-To:         NOVELL@SUVM.SYR.EDU

	We have just installed the networking technologies computer based
	training system - with windows 3.1!  The problem is that the bottom 1/2"
 of the
	screen is not showing - this problem does not appear when using
	windows 3.0.   Any guesses on what the problem may be????


	thanks


	jim

	iijq500@indyvax.iupui.edu


This is just a guess, but windows 3.1 gives you several more choices of
screen resolution to pick from in SETUP.  You might try playing with that.
BUt remember,  I am only guessing....
.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:12:20 -0600
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From:         Joe Doupnik <JRD@USU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Help with BOOTP

>We have a Novell 3.11 server providing (among other things) IP routing
>services for our Unix boxes. We want to use BOOTP to assign IP addresses,
>but the Novell box does not appear to forward the BOOTP requests. I have
>a vague memory that there is a BOOTP forwarding agent that will allow
>all our machines to use BOOTP.
>
>Can someone help with a BOOTP forwarding agent to run on the Novell
>server?
>
>Thanks Hugh Anderson
------------
        This seems to be BOOTP request week on the networks. Ok, here is
the story again. There is a bootp fowarding NLM, bootpfwd.nlm, which is
unofficial and unsupported by Novell (though those guys wrote it). It
requires an updated TCPIP.NLM too, also unofficial and unsupported etc.
        The combination is available as archive file BOOTP311.ZIP on
netlab2.usu.edu, cd misc. This is a NW 3.11 server, and it has these items
loaded. The prime site for these files is sjf-lwp.novell.com.
        The only thing you can adjust/configure is the numerical IP address
of the machine to which bootp requests should be forwarded, and that goes
on the  Load Bootpfwd  command line as   load bootpfwd 111.222.123.121.
        In my archive the new tcpip nlm is named tcpip1.nlm, to avoid confusing
it with the normal distribution item. The NW loader will notice this and
remark the internal and external filenames are different; ignore the comment.
        If you like bootpfwd then the person to thank is Don Provan of
Novell, and make it public enough that Novell managment will hear.
        Joe D.
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: List traffic
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:29:16 MST
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Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <01GMNO6KJKRM9FO5VW@CC.USU.EDU>, Joe Doupnik <JRD@USU.BITNET> writes:
>         I've noticed more and more questions appearing as duplicates on this
> list and on NEWS comp.sys.novell. To help save bandwidth and other people's
> time may I suggest using one or the other, but not BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

I more or less agree, but consider: Not everyone has a usenet feed. (Our
site didn't, for example, until a short while ago.) Those people without
a feed probably never see comp.sys.novell. So someone _with_ a feed and 
with a question will want to post to both newsgroups in order to reach
the widest audience.

What would be nice is if the newsgroup comp.sys.novell was gatewayed
to the bitnet list. Some newsgroups are handled this way; info-vax comes
to mind. 

Rich Travsky   Division of Information Technology   RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
"A straight line may the shortest path between two points, but it is by no
means the most interesting."
From: MAILBOX@ZEUS.ICE.NL (Zeus Mailbox)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: EMERGENCY: No one can login!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:53:13 GMT
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>
> Dear Netters:
>
> This afternoon a friend was adding a group in syscon when she choose
> to add a trustee directory called "SYS:\".  It prompted "yes or no"
> to create a new directory, she answered yes and later discovered
> peolpe couldn't login.  This is what happened:
>
> * The f:\login directory was deleted!
> * All the files in f:\system were deleted (except directories)!
>
> I copied all files from the diskettes back into the appropriate
> places (I think) but noone can login.  Stations that were logged
> in are fine (for now), but other stations establish a connection and
> then report an invalid drive letter.  Do we need to reinstall the
> network?  Thanks for your reply!

Do you have login.exe in sys:login ?? If not, copy it from the disks
and you will be able to log in.

Greetings...

Henno.

mailbox@zeus.ice.nl (Henno Keers)                     Zeus mailbox
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From:         Henk Buurma <BUURMA@BUREAU.RUG.NL>
Subject:      unsubscribe
X-To:         novell@suvm.acs.syr.edu

Please unsubscibe me from the NOVELL list.

Thanks

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From:         Gerald L Isaacs <gli@CARROLL1.CC.EDU>
Subject:      DAT BACKUP
X-To:         novell@suvm.syr.edu

Does anyone have any experience with the EXABYTE Dat 2.2GB
drives?  We are looking at one for backup of Mac Servers, Novell
Networks and Suns.  Legato software for Novell. It is not cheap
but I want one drive to backup all 3 environments plus AUX.

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Jerry Isaacs
Director Academic Computing
Director Telecommunications
Carroll College
100 N. East Ave.
Waukesha Wi 53186
414-524-7148
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From: TON@LET.RUG.NL (Ton Roovers)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Results of the ping contest
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:48:22 GMT
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Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, RUG, NL
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On July 16 Reinhard Kirchner wrote:

> since the access to gufalet is very slow and often breaks down
> I got pmail232.exe from USA direct

On the same day I asked you to do a little test with ping on the
Internet,  in order to investigate why access  between a site in
Germany (ftp.uni-kl.de) and one of my systems in the Netherlands
(tyr.let.rug.nl) is so much slower than from them to the rest of
the world. Well, I got 11 test reports  and they are combined in
the  following table  (first figure:  average round-trip time in
msecs, second figure: percentage of packet loss):

 -----------------------------------------------------------
 |        To:  |tyr.let.rug.nl  risc.ua.edu   ftp.uni-kl.de|
 |From:        |                                           |
 |---------------------------------------------------------|
 |Utrecht,  NL |     24 / 0       452 / 0       3441 / 20  |
 |Helsinki, FI |     77 / 0       279 / 16       793 / 4   |
 |Hamburg,  DE |    160 / 0       715 / 33      3425 / 30  |
 |Brussels, BE |    231 / 0       656 / 10      4333 / 54  |
 |Salford,  UK |    240 / 0       492 / 0       3300 / 30  |
 |Tucson,   US |    340 / -      2970 / -          - / -   |
 |Alabama,  US |    374 / 1         5 / 0        606 / 0   |
 |Dublin,   IE |    493 / 0      1455 / 0       4640 / 0   |
 |sbu.edu,  US |    544 / 10      356 / 0       8372 / 0   |
 |uni-kl.de,DE |    923 / 27     1738 / 20         - / -   |
 |Brisbane, AU |   1103 / -       765 / -       6004 / -   |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

Due to the fact  that these tests were all done on different times
and under different conditions you  cannot really rely on them but
they show one very distinct fact: access from throughout the world
to ftp.uni-kl.de is very slow indeed. Of course this test does not
explain why this is the case...

Thanks for your efforts!


 Ton Roovers                                             systems manager
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From: medici@dorm.rutgers.edu (Mark Medici)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: Errorlevel messages w/ Login
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:23:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mjedelma@SSA.GOV (Mitchell J. Edelman) writes:

>a) does login set errorlevel to anything when it terminates with successful
>	completion?  When it fails to connect because of bad password/account
>	combination?

Yes.  LOGIN returns a non-zero errorlevel if the login attempt fails
for any reason.  I have not seen this documented and have not done
any testing to determine if different errorlevel's are returned for
different reasons, but suspect that LOGIN would *not* return different
errorlevels for wrong name, password or server for security purposes.

>  When it fails because the server is not available?

See above.  If *NO* servers are available, {EMS|XMS}NETX will fail
during load.  *NETX will also return an errorlevel if it does not
successfully load.

>b) Other than modifying about 1200 autoexec.bat files for a large group of
>	*very* naive users, what methods are available to me, the naive
>	netware administrator, to assure users' successful login before
>	executing the rest of the autoexec file?

I've renamed sys:login\LOGIN.EXE to NLOGIN.EXE, and created a
LOGIN.BAT file to test for successful logins and will loop up to 3
times before displaying an unavoidable error message.

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_________________________________________________________________________
RUCS     | Mark A. Medici, Systems Programmer III, User Services Division
User     | Rutgers University Computing Services, New Brunswick, NJ 08903
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:08:35 EDT
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From:         "Robert H. Lafond" <LAFOND@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Non-Postscript files to LaserWriter

With printdef and printcon, I have used the new APLASER2.PDF to create
a job that will convert text into Postscript to send to a LaserWriter.
It will print text files with nprint, but printscreens only produce
the Postscript Exception banner page.

Has anyone been able to do printscreens with the APLASER2.PDF
file?  Thanks.

Robert H. Lafond                        lafond@pucc.princeton.EDU
Computing and Information Technology    609-258-2526
Princeton University
Princeton, New Jersey 08544
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From:         SYSTEM@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      linking distant sites - any use for future ref ?

Am not familiar with any of the setup you mention.  If what I say is totally
useless to you - well you havnt lost anything!!!

I know of a company in the UK who may be worth contacting on this.  They are
call INTERCONNECTIONS Ltd.  They have quite a few nice solutions to this
sort of thing.  One I know of in paticular (sorry, cant remenber its name
but will provide more information if it is of some help) encapsulates IPX
packets into DECnet packets for transmission over a a DECnet LAN.

Let me know if you want more information.


Tony Miller
Systems SUpport Manager
Southampton Institute

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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Account balances
Date: 29 Jul 1992 21:29:19 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu
Summary: Is there a utility out there to do it?
Keywords: balances, query, set

I would like to have a utility that listed all current account balances
and another that would set balances for entire groups.  Does anyone know
of utilities that will do things like this?  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
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